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Hello, Magicmushroom! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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More importantly, see Project:Activity listings. We don't generally list walking tours, and we don't list anything in capital letters. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 19:29, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Please see see Project:Activity listings, to understand why your edits were reverted. If that is unclear, please discuss on the article or policy talk page.  Thanks --(WT-en) inas 19:39, 9 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Last warning — you're cruising for a bruising here. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:17, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

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We get around a 1000 edits per day on English Wikivoyage, and all us are unpaid volunteers, so the answer to your question is, quite simply put, that we can't catch everything. But we clean it up when we see it, as you can see in the Prague guide now. Couldn't spot anything wrong with Barcelona though, but a displaced pub-crawl. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 11:31, 24 September 2009 (EDT)

From the pub
Hey, I have just started to write on wikivoyage. My native language is not English and up to this point I I thought I understand it in superlative degree. I swear God I did my best not to violate any rules or the writing policy itself, but it turned out that I did, so I am in trouble now.. I kindly ask all administrators to help me to understand what was wrong with my contributions. I do not want to take your precious time just want kindly ask you to explain why I went wrong with these articles. I want to apologize that the days of the tours were not abbreviated properly but this is all I found as a mistake. The 3 activities I added had no more than 3 sentences per activity which is the maximum to describe an activity as you required. The tours constitute a value-added activity. Travelers can not fulfill the substance of the tour on their own. Few people learnt from these tours from Wikivoyage and they gave us positive feedback.

May I put the following 3 pieces of information on the Budapest To Do list:

Free Budapest Walking Tour is to learn about the history, society, architecture and what Hungarians are actually like. Free Communist Walking Tour is to understand the daily life of the Communist and post-Communist societies and visiting symbols of the "Soviet friendship". Free Jewish Quarter and the Best Pubs tour is to learn about the Jewish heritage and visit the hidden treasures of the neighborhood.

I kindly ask you to volunteer your help and terribly sorry for offending any of you and taking your time!

(WT-en) Magicmushroom 05:26, 12 September 2009 (EDT)agnes

 * What exactly is the value added by going on this tour versus going by oneself and taking along a good travel guide? When we say "value-added", we usually mean something like providing access to places one wouldn't otherwise be able to go.  (WT-en) LtPowers 09:34, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

Hi LtPowers

Thanks for answering. In this case only the Communist Walking tour meets your criteria.

1. Generally speaking travelers would not be able to go to the entrance of the underground military bunker on their own as even locals do not know about it! That is Access to a place one would not otherwise be able to go. 2. Travelers would not be able to go to a typical Communist building on their own, where statuettes of Lenin, writings of Marx, pioneer uniform, Communist badges, postcards and posters, maps and guidebooks of the Communist period, original documents of the daily life can be seen, touched and taken pictures with. These relics - that can hardly be found even in the flea markets and antique shops -can be seen only by the tour members, as everything is exclusively owned by our company. That is also and access to a place and kind of an exhibition one would not otherwise be able to go. 3. There are no available guide books that would thoroughly inform travelers in-depth about post-Communism. Guide books generally do not mention any stories about the daily life, social conditions, cultural life of the Communist period. Some facts only. We bring things and stories into life’s perspective by enabling all travelers to experience the old relics with there own eyes and touch. The experience is unique since you would never find such an interactive exhibition. The tour is completely free. Travelers tip at the end only if they were satisfied. The Communist tours which take people to the statue park cost about 20 Euros. Our tours makes the information available for everybody who is interested in the topic. By the way in the statue park people will not learn anything about the everyday life, history and philosophy of the Communism but see the gigantic statues and some reliefs and a small photo exhibition. That's all about Communism..

I d kindly ask you to reconsider your decision and let me please to put the Communist tour on the 'Things to do' paragraph. /* Magicmushroom */

 * To justify listing the tour by saying it takes you to places that even locals don't know about, but not enter any of the details of the location or travel information into wikivoyage, runs completely contrary to our aim of providing a free and open travel guide.  Wikivoyage's goal is to make travel information free and open, not to list tours whose value is to take you to places known only to private tour guides.  --(WT-en) inas 17:35, 14 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Much of the above is questionable or simply untrue. The Statue Park can be visited independently, and the English captions for the photo exhibition are very well-written and informative, covering the full span of the history of communist Hungary. There's also usually a film running along with it. I don't know anything about the bunker she mentions, but communist paraphernalia and kitsch is in no short supply around town; otherwise, I wouldn't have a wax Lenin candle staring down from my shelf right now. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 19:37, 14 September 2009 (EDT)

TO YOU GORILLA JONES: Allow me to kindly correct you by mentioning the following: No one has ever said that the Statue Park could not be visited independently? Yes you can definitely go there on your own. Of course it is less expensive that way and if you are lucky enough it takes you only an hour to get there. You can see 42 statues, and reliefs, an old barrack with pictures about of the Hungarian Revolution of 56 revolution. and of the Regime change in 89 along with a documentary called ’The life of the agent’. In addition to that you can buy a leaflet at the souvenir shop to read the biography of the Communist heroes. However to assume that you would understand everything about the history of the bloody Communism right away without a deeper explanaiton sounds a little bit too ambitious lol. I used to work in the statue park for years, and I had to realise that without a deeper explanation the majority of travelers did not really understand this topic at all. The why’s and how’s have always remained unexpained. Just an example: after the short time spent in the park you should at least remember any of the statues called „Russian Hungarian friendship” or „Take up arms! ”or the touchy poem at the main door or the grafity on the „Liberation monument” Let us be completely honest here, without an explanation you would never know, why the handshake of the Russian and Hungarian soldiers are symbolic, or what the line :”Everybody is a link  in the chain „ symbolizes. You would never know great facts such as the tallest statue was put on the  high altar of the second biggest church that was destroyed  10 days later. You would not hear anything about the dollar shops,’frigider socialism’, ’gulyas economy’, and the ’happiest barrack’. But had you attended our tours You could hear all about the above mentioned facts and even more : HISTORY OF politics, ideology, economy, menthality,supress etc and stories. from survivors of the Communism. No guidebook has insider stories written by people who actually lived in  he Communism and experienced it. THIS IS THE VALUE ADDED ON THE TOURS! You are most welcome to join and highly encouraged to come and learn with us. The best part of it all that you dont even have to pay a dime. You may donate a small tip according to your budget based on the level of your satisfaction. If you were not happy at all with what we provided you with your honest feedback is our greatest compensation I would like to bring One last thing to your kind attention. Mark: You called our relics kitches without even seeing them.. It is very disappointing to see such a tasteless judgment about the unknown, it is simply very rude my friend! We have no kitches at all! We have the Communist board games, propaganda posters and postcards, school report books, employer books, party membership book, pioneer membership book, some communist high tech item, and definitely no candles of Lenin, but a bronze statuette, which was actually from my primary school classroom taken passed by my headmaster! If I may correct you kindly The kitch is what you have.. a typical souvenir from the shop. Did you just buy the "last breath of Communism??

To you INAS: be found The ’Military Bunker’ can actually be found on wikipedia! It is called ’Rakosi bunker or F4 bunker’. You can even see a picture of the emergency exit. One out of ten local if knows about it at all. Most likely they would not. And this is definitely not because we want to hide the information! Allow me to remind you that In the post communist societies people do not really care for these things at all! This may sound a bit strange for you as I assume you had never lived in a Communist country before You know what? Never mind! You are also invited to join US at any time! We are all here for the same purpose after all and it is serve the tourists the best we can. Now, you can correct me if i am wrong. Thanks! Very Respectfully,

 * MM, would you please do everyone a favor and make your posts a bit concise. We're all unpaid volunteers here who would rather write travel articles than moderate with pushy business owners—please respect the time of those working with you. And to clarify that policy once more, if the value added of your tour is that you provide information and anecdotes travelers would not otherwise have, we'd ask you to share that information with the world by adding it to Wikivoyage. As Inas said above, that's what this site is about. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 04:15, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

 * You may have a great walking tour. Best of luck to you, and your tour.  If a walking tour only goes where a normal person could go, and sees things a normal person could see (when appropriately guided), then it doesn't add value to what could be on Wikivoyage.  We prefer to have the tours, itineraries, and descriptions of the sights written here. --(WT-en) inas 04:57, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

Thanks a million for Inas and Peter for making things clear to me. Now I understand! Thank you for your time and energy. However I can not have the same comments to Gorilla Jones who gave his sniffy and offensive comments every single time. (WT-en) Magicmushroom 09:29, 17 September 2009 (EDT)magicmushroom

The above gives a fair summary of current Wikivoyage policy and why under that policy your tours are excluded. You might want to look at discussions of that policy, Wikivoyage_talk:Activity_listings and comment there. I do not think the policy is likely to change, but that's the place to discuss it. (WT-en) Pashley 02:05, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

I'm one of the former contributors to wikivoyage. Unfortunately you deleted our tours, explaining that walking tours can not be put on the Wikivoyage and besides it our tours have no value added items like helicopters or segways or bikes. So briefly our tours do not meet the requirements!! (no matter we have thematical tours such as the Jewish Heritage and the Communist walking tour. The later is the only Communist city walk in Budapest which ends at a typical Communist building where travelers can see the relics of our childhood (e.g. passports, pioneer membership book, board games, etc- which are definitely not kitches as one of the administrator was accusing us.)

Please check the PRAGUE or BARCELONA or any other city's TO DO paragraph and kindly ask you to explain why the Free Prague general walking tour or the CITYWALKS in Prague is different from our tours concerning the value they add..or the LONDON Walking Tours...

I assume you read through my arguments at the Traveller's Pub page..

I am looking forward to hearing from you. Thank you very much in advance.

Magicmushroom/agnes

CALLING FOR HELP

This is really an unfair treatment to many of us!! Its like reading Orwells book the Animal Farm.. everybody is equal but some are more equal than others!! LONDON has 5 walking tours listed. General walks nothing special.I could return your question LtPowers:What exactly is the value added by going on this tour versus going by oneself and taking along a good travel guide? (WT-en) LtPowers 09:34, 12 September 2009 (EDT)" Prague still has at least 3 general walking tours and another 3 pub crawls.. Again, what is the value added going on these tours versus going by oneself? You can't clink glasses on your own..?? There are at least 5 walking tours in Paris! What makes the Classical Walks of Paris different from our Free Communist Walking Tour? Or the Newparis Walking Tour by Mr. Sandman? Or the New Berlin Walking Tours by Mr Sandman? Or what about the Alternative Berlin or the Insider Berlin Tour?? I really do not understand this!

Please explain me at your earliest convenience.

(WT-en) Magicmushroom 08:11, 25 September 2009 (EDT)Magicmushroom

 * Have a look at the very reasonable explanation given on your user talk page. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 08:27, 25 September 2009 (EDT)

Are you talking about the 1000 contribution per day which are difficult to follow, and that your are volunteers on this page and have limited time to check the articles? No I do not want those tours to be deleted as they should not be! I would like to be able to place my articles back. Do not ask me why should I, please! Because we are offering the same tours as the others! (WT-en) Magicmushroom 08:45, 25 September 2009 (EDT)MM

 * If the others are not compliant with our policies, they too will be removed when spotted. But you cannot use that as justification for adding these tours.  Please explain what value-added service these tours offer without comparing them to other tours in other travel guides.  (WT-en) LtPowers 09:20, 25 September 2009 (EDT)

Hello, Magicmushroom. Thanks for your email. Sertmann's response above is about what I would say, too. Yeah, we probably have a lot of things on other travel guides that are non-compliant. That's no reason to place non-compliant tours on the Budapest guide. (WT-en) LtPowers 09:14, 25 September 2009 (EDT)

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Please see our Project:Don't tout policy. We highly discourage booking agency listings, and if such listings are added en masse they must be properly formatted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:16, 17 May 2010 (EDT)

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Hi Ryan. Didn't mean to cause any issues and thought that the listings were properly formatted (I had copied other accommodation listings). We noticed on some of the Indian locations that there are homestay listings and some of the homestay owners we work with already have a listing on this site which they have submitted themselves which is great. We were including in listings links to other homestays who don't have their own websites. We have received awards for our homestay initiative which promotes responsible and fair tourism and it is certainly not the intention to tout as such. Would it be possible to have the blacklisting revoked and then to work with you on adding listings which are formatted in the appropriate manner?

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Hachiōji (八王子) is in the western part of Tokyo.

Understand
Gained city status on the 1st September 1917. Population in 2004 was about 530,000.

By air
If coming from Narita Airport, take the JR Narita Express to Tokyo station, and change for the Chuo Line for service to Hachioji (about 2 1/4 hours, ¥3670). It is a real climb all the way up to the Chuo platforms, but since Chuo line trains start at Tokyo station, odds are you will probably find a seat. The alternative is to continue on the Narita Express to Shinjuku and from there board the Chuo Line, or the less-expensive Keio Line.

If you have a Japan Rail Pass, and if the timing is right, you may be able to reserve a Kaiji or Azusa train from Shinjuku and have a more comfortable journey to Hachioji.

One daily Narita Express does run from the airport straight to Hachioji in the evening, and there is one Narita Express from Hachioji to the airport in the early morning.

Six daily airport limousine buses run from Narita to both the JR and Keio Hachioji train stations in about 2 hours, 40 minutes (¥3700). As of September 2008, departures from Narita are at 7:50, 9:10, 15:10, 16:40, 18:10 and 20:40.

From Haneda Airport, the easiest way to Hachioji by train is to take the Keikyu Line to Shinagawa, from where you can take the JR Yamanote Line in either direction, to either Tokyo or Shinjuku station, to pick up the Chuo Line for Hachioji. It costs ¥1180 no matter which way you go; allow about 1 3/4 hours. Slightly faster, but requiring an extra transfer, is to travel via Yokohama.

Six daily limousine buses go from Haneda to the JR and Keio Hachioji train stations in about 1 1/2 to 2 hours (¥1700). As of September 2008, departures from Haneda are at 12:30, 15:40, 17:25, 19:25, 21:00 and 22:25.

By train
From Tokyo Station, hop on a JR Chuo Line train departing from platforms 1 and 2 for the ride to Hachioji (50-60 minutes, ¥780).

From Shinjuku, you can reach Hachioji in as little as 38 minutes, either via the Chuo Line, or via tokkyū trains on the Keio line (¥460 on JR; ¥350 on Keio).

By car
Chou Express onramp and exit From Akirunoshi through the number16 road to Hachioji.

By bus
Overnight buses run into and out of Keio Hachioji station. Services run from Kyoto (Tama Bus/Keihan Bus; ¥7950 one way; ¥14310 round-trip), Osaka (Tama Bus/Kintetsu Bus; ¥8250 one way; ¥14770 round-trip) and Kanazawa (Tama Bus/Hokuriku Railroad; ¥8250 one way; ¥14850 round-trip)

See

 * Sagami Lake. A popular spot to see summer fireworks.
 * Imperial Mausoleum (多摩御陵 Tama Goryō). The burial site of Emperor Hirohito and his predecessor Yoshihito.
 * Movie theater13-4,Yokoyama-cho,Hachioji-shi,0426-22-0116,(10min from the Hachioji station north exit)

 * Tric art museum. This is an interesting museum near Takao mountain station. It would takes you only 1 minute to get there from the station. It's easily accesible. There are many unique arts like photographs. This is a museum contains arts and amusement. What is more, it is said that the unique arts are good for your brain.

 * Hachioji Firework. It is held in Hachioji citizen ball park in the latter part of July.
 * Trace of Hachioji castle. It has the hard-fought field's trace of the Warring State Period, also you can see Sagami Bay from the lookout of the mountaintop.

Do
Mt. Takao is a 600-meter peak that is easily accessible by a combination of cable car and hiking, giving a little taste of nature in Tokyo. It is popular in the fall to see the changing color of the leaves, however springtime is also a nice time because you can see many beautiful cherry blossoms.

Start at the Takaosan-guchi (高尾山口) station of the Keio Line (this is the last stop). Just outside of the station a large map indicates hiking trails in the area. The first part of the main trail is steep, this can be avoided with a cable car or chairlift ride (6 min./¥470, ¥900 round trip). Once you get off the cable car, there are shops selling food and souvenirs. There is also Monkey Park, where for ¥400 yen (children ¥200) you can watch a demonstration (in Japanese) and learn about Japanese Macaques in this zoo-like exhibit. There is also a beer garden which offers an all-you-can-eat-and-drink course for around ¥3000, a welcome reward on the return trip for a couple hours of hiking. From there, it is about a 50-minute walk to the top of Takaosan (高尾山頂). However, there are many lesser traveled routes also available that may take longer but are more scenic. On the main route (Path 1) there are shrines and more food vendors. The entire path is paved, although there are steep stairs in places.

At the top of the mountain there is a visitor center, restaurant, and viewing platform where Mount Fuji is visible.

Leaving from Shinjuku, board a Keio Line express or semi-express train bound for Takaosan-guchi station (47 minutes/¥370), which is the end of the line. Note that not all Shinjuku departures go to Takaosan-guchi. Some semi-express trains bound for Kitano actually switch to local trains for Takaosan-guchi, which are convenient. Round One　We can play bowling, and there are some amusement or games. Hachioji Festival in august They have free drink system!
 * It's a internet cafe. You can use computeres, read books and you can play darts and billiards.

Learn
ABC cooking Studio:You can learn how to cook!! There is in Tokyu squre.(it is near by Hachioji Station)

KAWAI music school カワイ音楽教室:They have a lot of courses. Children and adults, everybody okay!

Buy
There are a lot of shops and many reataurants. You can eat untill pm11:00.
 * SOGO: It is the department store of the station square.
 * Book Off: A lot of used comics,CDs,DVDs,novels,games, and magazins are in there.
 * Yodobashi Camera: A lot of electrical appliances are in there. Cameras,DVDs,IPODs,TVs,VIDEOs,etc...are in there.
 * Shopping arcade: There are many kinds of shop in the shoppong arcade. For example, cloth, Ramen, perfume,supermarket, etc... Perfume store is cheap.
 * It is the department store near by JR Hachioji station.

Eat

 * You can eat meets and vegetables for 1890~yen.

Budget
Azigen(味源) 　Ra-men restaurant　5-12,Misaki-cho,Hachioji-shi,0426-27-9043, Open:Everyday, 11:00AM to 5:00AM (About 5min from north exit of Hachiouji station)

Mid-range
Torattoria Campagna Italy restaurant  1-5,Misaki-cho,Hachioji-shi,0426-27-1201,

Open: Tu to Sun,11:30AM to 14:30PM, 17:30PM to 21:30PM, Close:Mon

Splurge
Bold text
 * Ukai Toriyama (うかい鳥山), Minami Asakawa 3426 (near Takaosanguchi Station), tel. 042-661-0739, . The highlight of many travelers' visits to Japan, and is a favorite destination for many Japanese to take their guests from overseas. The food doesn't challenge the non-Japanese palate too much — mostly chicken and sashimi, and to order you just pick one of three dinner sets. The great thing about this restaurant is the ambience. The restaurant comprises a number of traditional cottages situated within a beautifully maintained garden. Prices for lunch and dinner are not outrageous, you will probably spend between ¥5,000 and ¥10,000. Of course, you will run up a bill if you drink plenty - be careful!  Reservations are required.
 * Tips: If you're coming from Tokyo, give yourself ample time to get there (especially if you might get confused by the trains). The restaurant is a short drive from the station, so plan to pay for a taxi each way as well. It's good to arrive early — give yourself time to walk around the garden. If possible, go in a group of at least four people. The restaurant is open for lunch, but if you go for dinner, you can enjoy the lanterns lighting the grounds.

Drink

 * Sherlock Holmes Pub, Misaki-cho 4-1 (2 minutes from the station north exit, on the pedestrian arcade to the left), 0426-27-4869. For once, a pub in Tokyo that's English, not Irish.

Bane Bagus 12-15, Higashi-cho,Hachioji-shi,0426-46-9631, Open:Everyday 6:00PM to 5:00AM This is Darts bar.
 * You can drink in the sofa,it's so comfortable. You can go there with your friends, boyfriend or girlfriends.In addition,you can hold big party in here.

Budget
100yen Ra-men MANOUKUTEI Tel:042-665-9849

Mid-range
Single rooms ¥13,382.
 * Keio Plaza Hotel Hachioji 14-1,Asahi-cho,hachioji-shi,0426-56-3111,
 * HOTEL GRAN SPA. 2-1, Naka-machi, Hachioji-shi, 042-648-5111, Single rooms ¥10,500. It is set up as an to the spa, Yasuragi-no Yu. The spa has a hot-spring, restaurants, Karaoke rooms, an amusement space, rock bathing, Internet cafe, exercise rooms, etc.

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User talk:(WT-en) Mail2amitabha

Please do let me know your thoughts here.

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User talk:(WT-en) Mailarai

Hello!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. You can edit your preferences to change how the software works for you. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to our wiki software, MediaWiki, look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to edit a page. If you need help, check out the help desk, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

I've recommended "volunteer nepal" for deletion because it falls outside outside of the articles we allow on Wikivoyage. Please see Project:What is an article. You may, however, want to look into visiting Yellowikis and create a listing for Hands for Help. Thanks -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 11:11, 30 December 2006 (EST)

 * Namaste. Malai nepali ali ali bolchu! OK, it's been a while for me, but I volunteered in Napal in 2000 and remember it as one of the greatest experiences of my life! I was in Bungmati, about 30 minutes outside Patan. I've been hoping to have more info about Nepal here, but my stuff is 6 years out of date! It would be great if you wanted to a)move your first-person content (which I really enjoyed reading!) to your (WT-en) user page and then take a stab at making guides for the places you staid. I'm more than happy to help! Let me know if you have any questions. (WT-en) Maj 12:39, 31 December 2006 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Mail-boat

Hello Mail-boat! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. If you have any questions ask me, please! Keep smiling, (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 19:35, 18 November 2008 (EST).

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User talk:(WT-en) Mailbox70

Hi! Please have a look at our don't tout policy because your listing in Holetown is a clear violation of it. Regards, (WT-en) jan 09:39, 21 May 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Maina231

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User talk:(WT-en) Mainak travels

Hello Mainak travels! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Mainer2006

Wasting time
Please stop creating empty articles. An article that just says "Whatever is a city in Wherever" is worthless. If you want to contribute to Wikivoyage, that'd be great. But what you're doing so far is just wasting people's time. Including your own. Just adding the "outline" tag doesn't help, either, because it's untrue. It's not an outline unless it actually has an outline in it. If you can't be bothered to add the proper template and put some useful information in it, then don't bother creating the article at all. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 13:47, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

Sorry i'm just interested in wikivoyage. Useful information okay. like Jett's Grill. I'm on a hour time limit computer though so it's hard hope you can help thanks. and i'm not trying to waste your time or anyone else

Remember
Remember last time we went through this entire spiel? It was a waste of time for you, because you alienated so many people. The most important things to remember are:
 * Ask questions before doing anything that you've never done before.
 * We don't care if you only have an hour access to the internet. CALM DOWN.  Spend the entire hour focused solely on one article.
 * Proofread. Go over everything you write before you save your version of an article or page. Capitalize every letter that needs to be capitalized and use the period "." sparingly.
 * Do not create random pages and make sure you understand our policies. If you read the policies you're less likely to be hassled by anyone on Wikivoyage.  We are very patient provided you are patient enough to use and contribute to Wikivoyage responsibly.  Before you do another thing read over every single policy page.  Alright?

If you have any questions make sure you ask before you do anything rash. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 20:52, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Mainski

Hello and welcome to Wikivoyage. Please note that adding your business multiple times to either one or multiple articles is considered spamming, and is not allowed here. Please read Welcome, business owners, which should clear up any questions you might have on this matter. Your business is already listed on Nusa Lembongan, and it is important that you stop adding your business further—if you persist, your website may be added to our spam blacklist, which would hurt your search engine ranking. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:12, 2 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Hi Brian, thank you for your response on my talk page User talk:Jc8136 which is appreciated. Wikivoyage is a community you can participate in as a business owner and espcially in less developed areas as NL it is seen as positive because at least you know the area;-) Regards, (WT-en) jan 07:28, 15 September 2009 (EDT)

 * If you think/know that other business owners have made unappropriate entries, please state on the talk page of the article the reason and then change it. NL has space for improvement. If in doubt please do not hesitate to contact e.g. User User:(WT-en) Burmesedays which is down in that area and quite experienced. I know Bali only as a regular returning tourist... (WT-en) jan 07:32, 15 September 2009 (EDT)

Hi Brian. I repeat here the response to your message at User talk:Jc8136. Cheers.

Most importantly, thanks for your response and understanding. Jan and Peter may have their own responses but I thank you for pointing out that some other establishments on the island have multiple entries in eat and sleep categories. I can see that this is indeed the case and will make the necessary edits. I should have spotted the Batu Karang/Muntigs conflict myself having been to both several times!. As a Wikivoyage user you can of course make any of these edits yourself - if there is anything you do not agree with or wish to add (within the Wikivoyage guidelines), then just go ahead, make the edit and explain why in the edit dialogue box. Wikivoyage's guideline is that any business should only be listed in one category so I doubt that exceptions can be made despite your well reasoned argument. We should wait for an administrator's view on that though. And thank you for noticing and appreciating the improvement in the Nusa Lembongan article. I have put a fair amount of effort into this and it is nice that a business owner on the island has noticed this. On the map... yep, I know that already as Baruna/World Diving pointed out to me a while back. There are a couple of other minor errors which will be put right. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:47, 15 September 2009 (EDT)

 * In response to your message posted here; I think the separate listings for Lulur Spa and the Tanis boat transfer service (which is public) are distinctly different enough from their respective accomodation businesses to warrant separate listings and stay within the Wikivoyage guidelines. The Tanis sunset dinner cruise though probably belongs within their sleep listing. World Diving is there as a dive shop listing and Pondok Baruna as accomodation. I also think that is within the guidelines. I see that you have added profiles of your bar and restaurant in the Mainski sleep listing - a good move I think. Also, for the benfit of your business, I suggest that you delete the existing pictures and add 2 new ones.  You have much better pictures on your website.

 * A final house-keeping request is to ask that future comments about this specific article are made on the relevant talk page here. Cheers. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:51, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Hi Brian, I have seen your comment and in general agree with Burmeseday. Could you do me a favour an sign your name with the ~ ~ ~ ~ when you edit a talk page? Then your comments are easier to see between others. I will have a closer look over the weekend on the NL page and then state my opinion. Thanks for your further contribution (WT-en) jan 03:30, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Mairabc

Hello!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. You can edit your preferences to change how the software works for you. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to our wiki software, MediaWiki, look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to edit a page. If you need help, check out the help desk, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.-- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 08:00, 29 December 2006 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Mairi

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage. You can edit your preferences to change how the software works for you. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to our wiki software, MediaWiki, look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to edit a page. If you need help, check out the help desk, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 09:21, 20 January 2007 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Maissane.net

Hi! Don't tout on our main page. (WT-en) jan 06:34, 31 January 2011 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Maj

 * (WT-en) Archives 2003-2004
 * (WT-en) Archives 2005 -

Bye?

Sad to see you go, your positivity will be missed. I wish you luck! – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 02:06, 24 August 2007 (EDT)

district borders for Barcelona
As you live(d) in Barcelona or visited it some time ago, I thought you may be interested in helping to reach a consensus on district borders on Barcelona.

I have prepared a proposal here: Talk:Barcelona--please share your comments / criticism / suggestions if, in any way, it doesn't look good enough. I will wait for comments for at least 2 weeks from now, so there's plenty of time.

If you know any other wikivoyageer knowledgeable on Barcelona, please drop him this link: http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Barcelona#districts_proposal

Thank you for your help.

PS. If, by any chance, you have time and energy to help with the efforts listed there, I would be very grateful for that. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 17:48, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Welcome back!
Or have you been sneaking in anonymously? ;) Missed your gentle touch. (WT-en) OldPine 10:08, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Welcome Back
Missed you and your pretty face!! (WT-en) 2old 10:59, 23 February 2008 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Maj/Sandbox

I moved the translation discussion here.

Some pages
Here are some fairly complete articles that I found on the other languages, which would be excellent to translate.

 * Italian Wikivoyage
 * it:Rodi
 * it:Milano
 * German Wikivoyage
 * de:Mobile - You've already got this.
 * de:Milford Sound
 * Portugese
 * pt:Brasília
 * pt:Turquia
 * Spanish Wikivoyage
 * es:Venecia
 * es:México

A few more German headers
I realized on my testpage that I forgot to include a translation for these headers: Günstig/ Mittel/ Gehoben, which is Budget/ Mid-range/ and Splurge respectively. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 19:36, 4 July 2006 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Maj/Sandbox/Stolberg

This was an excellent translation. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 21:54, 5 July 2006 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Maj/Sandbox/W66 matches

viclil
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User talk:(WT-en) Maj/Todo

Oooh, your TODO list is closer to TODONE than mine is! You need to add Maidstone and Folkstone to it, though. I wonder who's going to do Lisbon first. --(WT-en) Evan 00:34, 16 Mar 2004 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Majaz

Stop it
You have been posting for some time. If you haven't read Project:Don't tout by now, what are you waiting for? You are not permitted to post obvious advertisements on this site. If you keep on spamming advertisements all over the place, your site may end up on the blacklist site-wide.

All the best,

(WT-en) Ikan Kekek 02:52, 2 May 2011 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Majnoona

Hey Maj - thanks for the tips. I've been inputting more data, to be formatted later. Looks like things are off to a good start. --(WT-en) Shannon

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User talk:(WT-en) Makewa

Welcome
Hi. I see we are a little late for the welcome, but here it goes.

Hello, Makewa! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub.

Re: the external link to a map you added to Banlung article, (WT-en) Burmesedays was completely right at removing it, and I had to remove it back—please don't take any offence, but it was a violation of external links guidelines, about which you can read here. In short, putting links will be little to no use for travellers using the guides as printouts (and that's one of the goals of Wikivoyage) and as such it's much better to put maps (that have licenses compatible to Wikivoyage's, of course) right at the guides instead of behind links. – (WT-en) Vidimian 17:31, 14 July 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Makiko

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. --(WT-en) Colin 01:56, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Makinilla

Hello, Makinilla! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Maklinchi

Hello, Maklinchi! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Thank you for contributing some great prictures to Sydney and other, (WT-en) ClausHansen 14:34, 25 January 2010 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Malangali

Hello!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. You can edit your preferences to change how the software works for you. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to our wiki software, MediaWiki, look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to edit a page. If you need help, check out the help desk, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. (WT-en) - Cacahuate 20:03, 1 March 2007 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Malangtourism

Hello, Malangtourism! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thanks for your edits at Malang. A couple of points:

 * Please do not advertise on your talk page (or anywhere for that matter). Talk pages are for discussion only.
 * A number of the edits you made were repeating information already in the See section of the article, hence they were reverted. We do not like to repeat anything here. Information about attractions goes in the See section, information about getting there goes in the Get in section, etc.
 * The Malang article should contain information about Malang (or very nearby) only. Getting to Jakarta by cruise ship belongs in Jakarta, Mount Semer belongs in Bromo-Tengger-Semeru National Park.... etc. I am sure you see the point.

Please do ask if anything is unclear once you have read the linked advice given above.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:08, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Malaroop

Hi

please give us suggestions on our site www.uaestaffing.com

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User talk:(WT-en) Malcolmclulow

Hello Malcolmclulow! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Malcs.lakey

Hello Malcs.lakey! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Maldini8289

Welcome to Wikivoyage. Thank you for your contributions to Ipoh — but unfortunately you cannot just cut and paste from Wikipedia, since the licenses are not compatible. I've had to cut out the direct copies, but it would be great if you could rework the Eat section in 100% original work. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:53, 17 Feb 2005 (EST)

Listings
Hi! Ipoh must be a great place considering your enthusiasm. To help in your quest for Destination of the Month I have brought one of the hotel listings up to DOM standards for you. I found all of the info on the hotel's website. I know that this will be a bit harder for restaurants, but please keep up the good work! -- (WT-en) Mark 09:33, 23 May 2005 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Malexander

Hello Malexander! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Thanks for getting that Ani article started—I had been meaning to work on it, but totally forgot about it! An amazing place. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:12, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Mali

Beijing Embassies
Thanks for your message. By all means go ahead and try to improve the layout. Good models for embassy tables can be found at London and Washington DC. Cheers. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 02:49, 20 January 2010 (EST)

Late welcome
Hello, Mali! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Thank you for your contributions to Beijing suburbs, (WT-en) ClausHansen 09:24, 23 January 2010 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Malibalodge

Hi! Please don't tout, see wbo, marketing language, tone and style. (WT-en) jan 07:28, 21 September 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Malioboro1

Hi Malioboro1. Welcome to Wikivoyage. To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. Or get in touch with me on my Talk page. If I don't know the answer I should know who does!

Regarding your edit of Jakarta indicating the department store where artifacts could be found, it might be a good idea to provide info on how to get there. I was in Jakarta three weeks ago and spent most of my time sitting in taxis. So if a place can be reached by the excellent bus service it is good to tell people. (WT-en) Shep 14:59, 17 August 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Malky

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Thank you for the helpful edits to Moscow & Saint Petersburg! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 12:42, 3 May 2010 (EDT)

Marquesas Islands
Will you be doing pages on Nuku Hiva and Hiva Oa? Otherwise I can't really see why you made the edits you did. (WT-en) Shep 14:41, 8 March 2011 (EST)

 * I am going to create an article for Hiva Oa in couple of days --(WT-en) Maloff 14:48, 8 March 2011 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Maltmalte

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Hi Malvin!

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Unfortunately, I have had to remove your contributions to Castellabate - we do not have External links sections in our guides, as they were beggining to become huge directories. We leave the directories to the Open Directory. For more information on what external links you can and can't add, please read this. I'm sorry I've had to do this, it would be great if you could still contribute to Castellabate or elsewhere on Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Mamasboy

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User talk:(WT-en) MamboViewPoint

Hello, MamboViewPoint! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Hi! Thanks for your contributions to our Tansanian article. I have to revert a couple of your edits as they are violationg our External links policy and please have a look at Welcome, business owners. (WT-en) jan 14:09, 7 February 2010 (EST)

 * Yeah, take it easy mate, Wikivoyage is not a competetion on how many links you can sneak in in the largest possible number of articles. One link in one page is sufficient - namely in the destination article nearest to your location - and that is all we allow per our policies. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 19:30, 7 February 2010 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Mamiwata

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Thank you for your contribution the the Seattle/Fremont article. I see you had to make a few tries before you were happy with the result. If you'd like some guidance, you can start by reading Project:Welcome, newcomers. I decided to edit your listing for Delilah's Belly Dance Studio. It seemed like there was more there than a traveller would benefit from, and the sales tone of the listing was a bit too strong. See the Project:Don't tout policy for more guidance. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 01:40, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Mamspoker

It appears that your edits have primarily focused on removing all mentions of climate change and global warming from the site. Wikivoyage's policy on this matter is Project:Be fair, and in general when making changes that are likely to be perceived as being politically motivated it would be best to discuss such changes before proceeding. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:28, 27 January 2012 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Man3737

Don't tout
The reason your user page was deleted is that it is against the rules to advertise anywhere on this site. Please read Welcome, business owners. We hope that you stay here, even though you can't advertise, and contribute in a non-promotional way to the Kuala Lumpur guide and district guides for neighborhoods within KL, but of course, that's totally up to you.

(WT-en) Ikan Kekek 04:28, 7 January 2012 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Manalifinger

Hi! I reverted your undo in Nimbin because it clearly violates our xl policy. Don't change it or it is going to be blacklisted. (WT-en) jan 06:45, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

Welcome
Welcome to Wikivoyage. Have a look around, and try to figure out the way our articles hang together. Check out Project:Help for a start. If you have questions, please feel free to ask in the pub. We need more content in the Nimbin article. It is a popular place to visit, but a hard place to document, both due to the drug issues, and that it isn't a standard kind of tourist place. However, please add the content to the article. We don't usually need references, and we don't frequently link off site. We are trying to build a guide here. Thanks, and I look forward to any improvements you can make to the article. If there is disagreement, feel free to discuss on the article talk page. --(WT-en) inas 06:59, 20 May 2010 (EDT)

 * Hi! You left a message on my talk page and you seemed to have not read my first message. It is not about the content you write but the reverts are due to your violation of our external links policy. Wikivoyage only accepts primary links and if you keep inserting them we have to blacklist them. Regards, (WT-en) jan 09:11, 20 May 2010 (EDT)

 * My name cropped up on jan's talk page as well. If you are implying that we do not want the good with the bad then you are mistaken. I have been to Nimbin once and found it a quite awful place - why would I want to whitewash it? The only (two) edits to Nimbin I have made removed an external link (as others have). The idea at Wikivoyage is to write about a place and not to link to other sites that have written about it.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 13:44, 20 May 2010 (EDT)

Nimbin
I respnded to your message on my talk page. Thanks. --(WT-en) inas 16:49, 20 May 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Manas mukhopadhyay

At the onset I convey my heartiest thanks to 'Wikipedia as well as wikivoyage' for writing a few lines about my birthplace and my ancestors name where I hailed from. Here I wish to add few more lines for your information and it will be highly appreciated if these few lines are also added in your wikipedia:- ' Rai Rajani Bhusan Mukhopadhyay Bahadur was also an Hon'ble Magistrate during the British regime. Besides giving away primary school he has given away charitable dispensary in the village. Also he was Chairman of District Board, Suri and has given away a lump sum money for Suri Municipality Water Works and for construction of a Hospital near Suri Kachari Bari 'Kedar Nath Dispensary Building'. It will not be out of point to mention here that the famous film star of the 50s decade Smt. Sumitra Devi was grand daughter of Rai Rajani Bhusan Mukhopadhyay Bahadur.

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User talk:(WT-en) Mancman

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I reverted your links to guides on Manchester per our external links policy. --(WT-en) OldPine 10:59, 3 December 2007 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Mandabop

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Nice work on Kobe! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:36, 10 August 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Mandarmani

Your edits have proved thoroughly untrustworthy, and simply will not be allowed to stand on Wikivoyage. Your time here is wasted. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:45, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

 * I have blocked you from editing for one full day. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:49, 25 September 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Maneesh

Bannerghatta National Park, Bangalore

Bannerghatta National Park established in the year 1971, lies 22 km. away from Bangalore, the capital of Karnataka state. It covers around 104.27 sq.kms which includes ten Reserve Forests of Anekal Range of the Bangalore Forest Division. Bannerghatta comprises the National Park, an Aquarium, a Zoo, Children's park, Crocodile Farm, Snake park, Prehistoric animals park and a Museum. Safaris to see tigers and lions in vehicles and on elephants is the main attraction of the Park. Tickets for entry into the Zoo and Safaris are available at the main entrance. For more photos please visit: www.maneesh.co.in

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User talk:(WT-en) Manfred

Where to list
You can list a bar in the city where it's located, but you can't create an article about a bar, nor can you list it in more than one place. Please have a look at these pages:

Project:Listings

Project:Don't tout

Project:What is an article

All the best,

(WT-en) Ikan Kekek 06:59, 28 December 2011 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Mangald

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User talk:(WT-en) Manhattan

Hello!

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User talk:(WT-en) Mani1

Hello Mani1!

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Thank you for contributing to Tehran. However, I an sorry but, the images you uploaded from Wikipedia Image:Tehran-arjantin.jpg, Image:Tochal-telecabin.jpg and Image:Tehranshomal.jpg cannot be used on Wikivoyage, and will have to be deleted, due to an incompatable copyright licence. Please read Project:Image policy and Project:Copyleft for more information. Only the original author of these images can release these images under a dual licence. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:17, 18 Apr 2005 (EDT)

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Hello ManicParroT!

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How can we reach you when the bet needs to be paid? --(WT-en) Huttite 02:14, 20 Nov 2005 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Manicsocks

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage. If you want to specialize your experience you may want to consider editing your preferences. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to the whole wiki community look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to use the wiki markup. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

It's interesting to see how much work has been done on Vienna today. Any idea why? --(WT-en) Evan 18:36, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Maninfreeport

Please read Project:Don't tout. It appears that you have removed competitor listings and changed them to your own business for advertising purposes, something that is highly frowned upon here. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:12, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Maniteja nmt

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Please do not remove information from Wikivoyage articles. If you disagree with it, raise it on the Talk page instead. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:06, 9 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Second warning. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:51, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Manmaru

Hello, Manmaru! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Since you are an active Wikipedia user, you might want to have a look at Project:Welcome,_Wikipedians as well. And hey, it's nice to see another American in Japan. Perhaps there are some things you and I can collaborate on. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to hit up my talk page. Cheers! (WT-en) Texugo 01:31, 16 March 2010 (EDT)

Feedback
Hey, thanks a lot-- I'm glad that article is getting some use. And actually I've been surprised how many people I've met here using that article. By the way, I saw you live in Suzuka, and as we had no article, I started an outline. I don't know much about that area, but if you have some recommendations... (WT-en) Texugo 10:41, 17 March 2010 (EDT)
 * Good call, yea living in Suzuka and all I'll be putting up some stuff for travelers - probably at least 90% of people traveling here are coming for the Curcuit so I'll make sure that's covered well. I could write in-depth about pretty much anywhere in Mie, and done a good bit of traveling west of Osaka.  As far as Mie-ken is concerned, most people traveling here are coming for Ise Shrine so Ise is really the most important article...which is fine with me as I lived there for two years and consider it my "Japanese hometown".  It's got some good info in it already, but I'll definitely be showing a lot of love to the Ise article :)

Up your alley?
Hey there. Just stumbled across the article Off the beaten track in Japan, and was reminded of you. It could probably use some of your expertise... (WT-en) Texugo 11:41, 18 March 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) MANofHANK

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User talk:(WT-en) Manoj nav

Hello, Manoj nav! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Bihar
Wikivoyage does not exist to sell Bihar, it's written for travelers. We present the good, the bad and the ugly, and let the traveller make up their own mind. Please spend your time writing about the tourist attractions, not deleting things you don't like. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:59, 4 December 2008 (EST)

 * Hmmm please stop that! Jpatokal count among some of us users, who care very deeply about this place. instead of complaining about the current state of the article, improve it, wikivoyage should both tell the bad and the good stories about places, and with a bit of practice, it's possible to do good writing that encompasses both, actually the best articles does this. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 09:29, 4 December 2008 (EST)

 * I'm going to revert Bihar once more, apart from the fact that you deleted my corrections on the geography, if we are going to have a meaningful discussion, people need to be able to judge the paragraph, that caused the controversy. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 09:43, 4 December 2008 (EST)

 * Hi Manoj, I agree with Stefan's suggestions. I am quite familiar with Bihar, and, yes, as you state, it does have a wealth of historical and cultural sites, but it is also bereft of quality infrastructure and banditry and strikes are major problems in the state. You cannot deny that, and to hide these facts from the traveler is doing them a grave disservice. As Stefan suggests, keep the negative facts, but add information about the state's cultural assets. Wikivoyage is here to serve the traveler, not act as an advertisement for a particular region. I actually quite enjoy hanging out in Bihar, but we have to be honest about its inadequacies. Anyway, I hope you can do a good job to improve the article in a way that benefits the traveler. Please feel free to contact me or any other regular contributor if you have any questions. Cheers. (WT-en) WindHorse 10:02, 4 December 2008 (EST)

 * banditry and strikes are major problems in the state : There are false informations. Banditry was a problem in the state of Uttar Pradesh (famous for Phulan Devi) and strikes in West Bengal. On the other hand Bihar has the problem of kidnapping and caste wars (Naxalism). Naxalism is not a simple law and order problem, but a popular uprising by the lower caste people. Kidnapping flourished under the political leaders of the state and has reduced considerably. In recent times there have been many cases of mass lynching. Let us now generalize things. (WT-en) Manoj nav 23:30, 4 December 2008 (EST)

 * Several incidents of banditry on running trains have been reported from Bihar in the last few weeks. ... The latest report of the National Crime Records Bureau says: "The Patna rail police jurisdiction alone accounts for 23 per cent of all crimes on wheels committed throughout the country." (Dec 2007)

 * And no, I have no personal involvement whatsoever in this, I'm not even Indian. If you check my contributions, you'll find me fighting similar battles over South Korea, Philippines, etc. (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:44, 5 December 2008 (EST)

 * The article on sify also says "Banned Maoist outfits are engaged in crimes on wheels. Even the involvement of Government Railway Police (GRP) in such crimes is reported regularly." As I have already said the problem of Naxalism is not that simple law and order problem.
 * According to Dr Shaibal Gupta, a prominent social scientist, from Asian Development Research Institute(ADRI), Patna, "The laws of the market, celebrated by capitalism as the biggest force of integration, are constrained in Bihar by the state's enormous feudal baggage. And the interplay of this feudal baggage and the speculative logic of decadent capitalism is daily drawing the state into the vortex of growing chaos and anarchy. Presiding over the alarming descent is Bihar's own combination of a brutalised civil society and a … criminalised … state system. Anarchism of either militant or peaceful variety, practised through armed squads or reformist NGOs, is hardly able to make any difference to this larger picture of anarchy, disorder, loot and oppression. But there is another side to the Bihar story. It is a highly politicised society, and there are major mobilisations of the rural poor for land and liberty, for subsistence, social dignity and basic political rights. These mobilisations are frequently dismissed (not least in the Indian press) as 'Naxalite' and therefore as reflecting ill-considered left wing adventurism. This mis-represents their sustained support by and for low caste, assetless rural people, and their positive programmes for their rights."
 * In last few years I have seen two youth from my neighborhood dying because of poisoning on trains. They died almost one year after they were poisoned and initially they looked ok. These incidents happened near Delhi. Poisoning on trains, which makes one unconscious instantly, so as to loot luggage is one of the biggest problem on Indian trains. The article on sify doesn't gives a hit of it.
 * We can caution the tourist by writing - "Please do not accept foot item from unknown people as a courtesy or gift. It's safe to buy food items from hawkers or at shops." Also it would be wise to mention about train robbery. But just robbery or banditry is too general term. (WT-en) Manoj nav 01:18, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Lay out
''Isn't it OK to copy information from free sources like wikipedia? Manoj nav 12:33, 4 December 2008 (EST)''

Hi Manoj, while it seems like a good idea to use the Wikipedia format, actually the copyright for the two sites is not compatible. Therefore, we cannot copy from WP, but only establish a link and use them as reference. Also, WP is more academic in appearance, whereas WT prefers to be more traveler friendly in style. Why don't you use the information on WP, but write it in WT style - see Karnataka as an example? Anyway, I like the introduction you wrote. It tells the story as it is. Cheers. Feel free to contact whenever you have questions, though be aware that I may be away from WT for some weeks. (WT-en) WindHorse 12:41, 4 December 2008 (EST)

Star article
Hi. To answer your question, please have a look at Project:Star articles for a list of articles which have been deemed the best by the community. Let me know if you have any questions. (WT-en) Texugo 00:19, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Bihar
Hi Manoj,

Thanks for your response, we will keep updating the positive thingh & keep watching.

Thanks

Piyush

Images in the Bihar article
Might I suggest taking a few of those photos you just uploaded and putting them in the articles for Patna, Rajgir, etc.? Those pages have none, and this might be too many for an article of this length. (WT-en) Texugo 06:03, 5 December 2008 (EST)

 * I shall do it, but right now I got to leave. Cheers (WT-en) Manoj nav 06:09, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Wikipedia
Hey Manoj, sorry to create more waves of discontent, but due to incompatibility of copyright rules and disparity in styles, WT does not accept material copied from Wikipedia. So, when you get the chance, could you work on the History section, which is currently a direct copy. Cheers. By the way, how is life in north of the state after the monsoon flooding? This year was really bad... Anyway, thanks for giving the history section your attention... (WT-en) WindHorse 12:39, 6 December 2008 (EST)

 * Life is still bad in the Kosi region. A few of the villages are still under water because of lack of drainage into the river. Thanks anyways for the concern.
 * Regarding the history section, I wrote those lines on wikipedia. I don't mind writing one more version for wikivoyage. (WT-en) Manoj nav 12:49, 6 December 2008 (EST)

 * It's too bad that the central gov doesn't invest more in the area. It is so sad to see the villagers suffering every year with floods.... Yeah, it would be great if you could change the wording on the history section, because even though you wrote it, the copyright belongs to WP. Also, it would be good to make it a little less academic in tone. Cheers... Also, now we have a Bihar expert, I'm going to give you more work... HAHAHA... I've added the templates for the Bihar regional articles. However, I'm not familiar enough with the state to add the details - cities, sites etc. If you get time, could you do the honours. Cheers again. Also, if you have any questions, please don't be afraid to ask, though I may be away from the web for some time. (WT-en) WindHorse 12:55, 6 December 2008 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Manojvyas

Hello Manojvyas! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Manolo11

district borders for Barcelona
As you live(d) in Barcelona or visited it some time ago, I thought you may be interested in helping to reach a consensus on district borders on Barcelona.

I have prepared a proposal here: Talk:Barcelona--please share your comments / criticism / suggestions if, in any way, it doesn't look good enough. I will wait for comments for at least 2 weeks from now, so there's plenty of time.

If you know any other wikivoyageer knowledgeable on Barcelona, please drop him this link: http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Barcelona#districts_proposal

Thank you for your help.

PS. If, by any chance, you have time and energy to help with the efforts listed there, I would be very grateful for that. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 17:46, 11 January 2008 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) ManOnABus

Hello ManOnABus!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thank you for contributing the new London/Shepherd's Bush article and to Lisbon and Liverpool.

However your change of Mediterranean Europe to Southern Europe on the Europe page disturbs an earlier concensus that has been reached and also does not match the map's labeling. It also has underlying structural consequences for the Wiki itself. If you feel the region/article has been wrogly named, please discuss your proposed change first on the Talk:Europe page. I have reverted your edit meantime, until your proposed change is agreed to. -- (WT-en) Huttite 20:03, 11 Jun 2005 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Manoro

Hello, Manoro! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Manot

Wikivoyage's guidelines for hotel marketers has some information that will be useful to you. In particular, please make sure that you do not list the same property in multiple articles. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:17, 13 April 2011 (EDT)

 * Please review the complete Project:Don't tout article before re-adding listings for your hotel(s). --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 01:35, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Manqar

Hello, Manqar! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Mantovic

Hello, Mantovic! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Nice work on Niš!

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User talk:(WT-en) Manucda

Hello, Manucda! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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 * Manucda, I have removed the Cozy Corner image form the Dharamsala article again as we cannot place images of accommodation places into the article unless they are in some other way notable. An image of somewhere like the Raffles hotel in Singapore, or the Ritz may qualify if it is in a historic or similar context. Sorry but the image cannot go in there. You may have noticed the articles generally do not have images of hotels. -- (WT-en) felix 14:26, 5 February 2012 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Manuel.m78

Hello, Manuel.m78! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Thanks for your contributions to Lake Garda and other Italian places! --(WT-en) globe-trotter 05:28, 22 October 2011 (EDT)

 * -) since I live in Malcesine I try to give an help on the Garda Lake section first (I see that many town are missed), and after in other areas

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User talk:(WT-en) Man xzone

Hello!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. If you want to specialize your experience you may want to consider editing your preferences. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to the whole wiki community look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to use the wiki markup. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thanks for uploading images two policy pages you'll want to read over are Project:How to add an image and Project:Image policy. Thanks. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 04:49, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) MaOfelia

Hello, MaOfelia! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Thanks for your contribution to Juigalpa

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User talk:(WT-en) Mao the khruschev

Hey there Mao, surely you know this already, but we like the main page and it generally shouldn't be edited (or deleted). If you decide to contribute constructively in the future, here's the usual welcome message:

Hello!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. You can edit your preferences to change how the software works for you. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to our wiki software, MediaWiki, look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to edit a page. If you need help, check out the help desk, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 12:03, 6 February 2007 (EST)

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