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Nomination
Take a look at Project:Administrator nominations, I hope you take this on! You have been welcomed addition to Wikivoyage. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 08:04, 16 September 2006 (EDT)

Utterly correct
You we're completely right when you said it was all down hill from the 21st. I thought it was supposed to be a joke, but around 02:00 I thought "Shi*! He was right!" I think they gave me Tequila. Did you accept the admin nomination? -- (WT-en) Sapphire 10:14, 17 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Ha! You ain't seen nothing yet! Seriously, you're good to go until age 50, then the old bod starts falling apart. I'm sure you'll make the most of it, Andrew :)
 * Nah, didn't accept. I waffled a little after the plea for me to reconsider. I'm the type that's always on the fence about everything, including this nomination. My passion for WT is fading, as it has for so many things before it. It's not what my heart really wants to do all day. My problem has always been that I don't know what that thing is. Perhaps I'm just meant to be a generalist. At any rate, I wouldn't want to do the admin job half-way, and I don't really want to do some of the things that I see to be part of it. (WT-en) OldPine 10:30, 17 September 2006 (EDT)

Cape Cod National Seashore
You're probably tired of the continual kudos, but I can't help myself - nice job on yet another article. Going from no article at all to a really informative guide in two days has become your trademark! -- (WT-en) Ryan 19:50, 20 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Thanks! I never get tired of the kudos! The NPS guys make it pretty easy, but I think we end up with a much better format for the traveller. What kills me is that I'm almost getting too old to use some of the trails I'm writing about. (WT-en) OldPine 19:56, 20 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Would you like one more kudo? I think it's a great article too. Nice job, once again. --(WT-en) Evan 21:25, 20 September 2006 (EDT)
 * And another. Incidentally, Sagamore Bridge just won't be the same without that ^%*&# rotary. :-) -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:02, 21 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Heh, it's true. There's something sad about its passing, but the improvements are obvious. For once the engineers haven't screwed up. I hope. (WT-en) OldPine 20:23, 21 September 2006 (EDT)
 * What did they do? Is it four lane, non-stop or is there a light there now? Must say, the rotary was famious.... even to this hillbilly from the midwest. ditto on all the good work on Seashore and everything else. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 08:51, 24 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Took my first trip over last night. Even the locals are finding it a little confusing as it is quite different (and not yet finished) and I'm not sure the signage is all that good. Route 3 is now a straight shot over the bridge (no light, just a merge) (as soon as they build the road through the rotary). I think the only on-ramp will be the road coming from alongside the Canal. They built an underpass for people to get from one side of Rt. 3 to the other. We'll adjust :) (WT-en) OldPine 09:01, 24 September 2006 (EDT)

Hot springs and Spas
You asked Johny and not me, but since I've been doing most of the Hot springs article: The so-called "geyser" at Calistoga isn't a natural feature but rather a drilled well that erupts (T. S. Bryan, "The Geysers of Yellowstone," the standard reference on not just Yellowstone's geysers but the world's), and does not necessarily imply the presence of hot springs. However, according to Wikipedia, there really are hot springs there too. Of course you can't always trust Wikipedia about such things, but the preponderance of evidence suggests that this one is correct. Lots of hot springs in California need to be added to the article; please feel free. As for Saratoga, this article asserts that New York has no natural hot springs, so that what's there should be called a spa. This is consistent with the geological setting. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:55, 22 September 2006 (EDT)

Fredericksburg (Texas)
Thanks for the manual of style edits. I keep messing that up, and would have kept on my bent if I hadn't seen your edits. (WT-en) Jordanmills 21:37, 24 September 2006 (EDT)
 * You're welcome. That's exactly how I learned, too. (WT-en) OldPine 23:05, 24 September 2006 (EDT)

Answer
Whenever I go to Hermit Island, I always think of it being in Bath (Maine). Phippsburg is so tiny I never really considered it. The address I gave was from the Hermit Island website. Cheers! {still}(WT-en) Totally Lost 00:31, 5 October 2006 (EDT)

Mailto:
I noticed you took the Malito: off an email link. Why is that? I always add that so the the link is active on the web and opens your mail client. Is there a policy on that I am missing? Thanks, -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 16:16, 16 October 2006 (EDT)
 * I thought it wasn't MoS. Will have to check. (WT-en) OldPine 16:22, 16 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Bah, I guess it's not covered one way or the other. What you do makes good sense. (WT-en) OldPine 16:25, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

 * For what it's worth, see Project:Feature requests. I format them as [mailto:foo@bar.com foo@bar.com]

which formats like this: [mailto:foo@bar.com foo@bar.com] which looks nice online but does bad things in the printable version. -- (WT-en) Colin 16:50, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Either way is okay with me, I like the way I do it a little better as it is less typing *grin*. I guess we need to come up with a policy so we all do it the same. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 01:53, 17 October 2006 (EDT)

Hello
Want to help? I added some pizza shops. Could you add anything? Thank You 72.227.82.8 19:01, 17 October 2006 (EDT)

Nebraska
Wow - I think you know more about Nebraska than I do! --(WT-en) Mclark82902 14:06, 25 October 2006 (EDT)

Sundarbans
- a small point, but I was just wondering whether the Sundarbans are actually a national park in Bangladesh (I noticed you changed the title on the UNESCO page). I could only find this designation for the Indian part of the area. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:34, 28 October 2006 (EDT)

 * I don't really know. I saw you make the redirection from Sundarbans to Sundarbans National Park and changed it based on that. (WT-en) OldPine 07:22, 29 October 2006 (EST)

 * Yeah, thanks for making all those changes. The Sundarbans are a huge mangrove forest that cover both the Indian and Bangladeshi sides of Ganges Delta, and I have a feeling that only the Indian side have declared it a national park. Anyway, it's only a minor point, and I don't have exact details, so let's just leave it. No doubt someone in the know will make the necessary changes if needed. (WT-en) WindHorse 09:44, 29 October 2006 (EST)

Thanks!
Hi David, Just wanted to tell you thanks for all the work you do! I am just amazed at how much useful content you have added all over Wikivoyage. This is one hillbilly that appreciates all that you do and I just wanted to add my appreciation. You are amazing! Thank you! -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 09:15, 29 October 2006 (EST)
 * Thanks, Tom. I always enjoy the praise. I want you to know the respect is mutual. I appreciate all you do as well -- even when it's correcting the little blunders I sometimes make. You do all hillbillies proud! (WT-en) OldPine 09:38, 29 October 2006 (EST)

De-frontlink
I was curious about this edit - I wouldn't have thought it should have been converted to a listing (as there's only one airport, plus it's got more than one paragraph of info), and if it wasn't converted to a listing, de-frontlinking wouldn't be necessary? ~ 203.144.143.10 14:26, 2 November 2006 (EST)

 * OK, I probably get over-excited by frontlinking, it's true; but I do often let the ===Get in=== use it. Still, see: Project:external links . The reasoning is that when the page is printed out, having the link up front looks lousy. Besides, these transport links should really be giving phone number, if not addresses (especially with bus and train stations). It's not like there's some wonderful prose to be had there (IMHO). The fact that there's only one airport is beside the point. The info should be there, not a link that pulls the traveler away from Wikivoyage to get it. (WT-en) OldPine 14:48, 2 November 2006 (EST)

 * Still, see: Project:external links
 * However, see also: Project:External links

 * The reasoning is that when the page is printed out, having the link up front looks lousy - but that doesn't apply in this case, because there's nothing between the name and the link?

 * The fact that there's only one airport is beside the point - it's not beside my point, which is that because there's only one possible "item", converting the first paragraph to list format makes no sense - in other words, having a list that can only ever have one listing in it is pointless, and doubly so when that item spans more than one paragraph. ~ 203.144.143.10 15:45, 2 November 2006 (EST)

 * In regards to it looking lousy, I believe it still looks like:" Link Text " when printed out, which is what looks lousy if you are trying to read it. If I am incorrect, then... you win!! Y'know what? You win anyways. I beg your forgiveness and resolve to do bettah. (WT-en) OldPine 16:27, 2 November 2006 (EST)

 * I've "de-listed" that section . As for the link format, should front-linking be done away with altogether? ~ 203.144.143.10 16:53, 2 November 2006 (EST)

 * That's my opinion I suppose. I think it's wonderful at Wikipedia. We are trying to be less a web directory and much much more printable. I think the familiarity the folks have with Wikipedia leads them to come here and link to anything the rewembles a travel noun and to front-link excessively. I think front-linking "implicitly" says, "Here's the link. Look up the address or phone if you need it." It's a second reason (besides readability) to not allow frontlinked listings. Another of my pet peeves is linking in the text to Wikipedia definitions. Hey... if they don't know what it is, they can durn well open another window and look it up. Probably I'd feel better about it all if the external links opened in a new window. Hmmm... (WT-en) OldPine 18:07, 2 November 2006 (EST)

I was just clearing out some ancient notes and came across the only wikivoyage page I've ever printed, and noticed that it includes examples of both link types, so just thought I'd share what I've learned today. For what it's worth:

 * Wikivoyage prints as Wikivoyage ( http://wikivoyage.org )

 * Wikivoyage  prints as Wikivoyage [2] ( http://wikivoyage.org )

 * Wikivoyage prints as Wikivoyage [3] ( http://wikivoyage.org )

So for non-listings I think the only advantage of "back"-linking is if you want the "title" part to be bold but you don't want the URL part to follow suit (or vice versa), and you don't mind the redundant-looking [3] part being printed inbetween. ~ 61.91.191.2 00:45, 21 November 2006 (EST)

 * Swell. Maybe the Manual of Style should be changed, huh? Until then, frontlinking is a no-go. (WT-en) OldPine 16:04, 22 November 2006 (EST)

 * You're saying frontlinking is a no-go for non-listings? ~ 61.91.191.4 16:25, 22 November 2006 (EST)
 * Nope, not saying that. Missed your "for non-listings" phrase. Probably because I no longer have any interest in this. (WT-en) OldPine 09:19, 23 November 2006 (EST)

Hey
How's it going? It's been a while since I've caused your little red dot to blink so I thought I'd say something. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 17:58, 23 December 2006 (EST)

Canoe Passage Outfitters
Hey David, I'm not sure whether I agree with your deletions of blurbs about this outfit from all the Massachusetts towns. Even if the outfitter is not in the town, if its services lead the traveler to/through the town, a listing may be appropriate, because visitors to the town may not know to look in another town's article for the information. I've had to deal with similar situations with various river-running outfits in Colorado and have opted to be inclusive rather than exclusive. OTOH, the listings may be plain old commercial puffery, I just don't know. How connected are these folks to the towns where you've removed the listings? Let's discuss. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 10:35, 13 January 2007 (EST)

 * Yeah, I dunno, if that's the deal, fine. He can copy it back up and I'll leave it or revert me. (WT-en) OldPine 21:25, 14 January 2007 (EST)

Wikivoyage ToC
Hey David; hope things are going well for you. You had a lot to say about the Wikivoyage table of contents last year, and although I'm kind of sad that the option we both liked (ToC in the left nav) is so unpopular, I hope that the new design will be close enough to work for everyone. Can you take a look at the review site (like http://wikivoyage.org/review/France ) and give me your opinion on http://shared.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Tech:Table_of_contents_makes_too_much_whitespace ? --(WT-en) Evan 12:54, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Yet another kudo
Thanks for the cleanup job on those urls... (WT-en) Maj 16:27, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

Cruise ships
Since you've taken cruises, maybe you'll have an opinion on whether or not they deserve to be standalone articles. Cheers! -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 16:14, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I say no, but not strongly enough to wade in. (WT-en) OldPine 16:33, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

Shiny buttons
Saw your note on User talk:(WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill - if you'd like access to the vandal-repelling-buttons just give the word, and I suspect there will be a stampede of people tripping over one another in order to nominate you. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:11, 30 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Ha! Thanks, Ryan! Um... still holding out I guess. Makes me feel bad I have to bug you guys about it. Hey, I can't believe I came back here at all. It's the disambiguating I think. Somehow it just feels so good. I think VerBeek's gonna kill me though as I dab something and then realize it's 15 towns of less than 2000 people. Oh well, you can't please all of the people all of the time. Anyhow, Sapphire's right, it's crack-like, huh? (WT-en) OldPine 22:18, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

 * I just cut a line of Wikivoyage guides and snorted it. Feels oh so good. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 23:23, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Ha! Mama warned me about guys like you :} Have you tried toasting them a little before you cut? (WT-en) OldPine 07:34, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Shh! I'm so screwed if the CNB figures out Wikivoyage's addictive potential... (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:31, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

You know, the lines go better with shiny buttons -- care to try a hit yet? -- (WT-en) Colin 23:21, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

 * I second Colin's question. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 07:34, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
 * I suppose it would be waay impolite to ignore two of you. I have to admit that I've been close to wanting this a couple of times. You guys certainly could use the help. Not that I don't think you all do a great job, cuz I do. Not sure I'd even measure up. I spent a week or so full bore on edit patrol a while back and found it discouraging. Maybe a lot of admins were away or maybe there's been a lot of dilution with other efforts that are underway... I dunno. I was discouraged that so many edits seemed to go unchecked. Nobody replied to my concerns about the over-30 day auto-patrolling, but it's a concern, still.
 * I guess you all know my style by now, and with the caveat (or maybe promise?) that it won't change much (in terms of participation in vfd's and other debates)... well, OK, your persistence is rewarded... and thanks for your confidence in me. (WT-en) OldPine 09:54, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

 * Oh my God! There are two Sapphires now?

 * For what it's worth, as an admin you are not asked to do anything except what you please. If all you want to do is click the "edit is patrolled" button, that'd be a good use of the admin bit.  Or if you just want to occasionally rollback the really blatant stuff, that's fine too.  Just as a user isn't required to do anything except what they feel like, an admin can choose to only do the things he likes to do and stay out of any conflicts that don't interest him.  So how about a hit now?  The first one is free! -- (WT-en) Colin 15:12, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Say, aren't you from California? Probably just the pass I needed. I'll try to lay back and not burn out. Thanks, Colin. (WT-en) OldPine 15:44, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

 * See Project:Administrator_nominations. Colin, don't insult OldPine. ;) -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 15:37, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Heh. There be no cloning with Mr. Zany. Thanks, again, Andrew. (WT-en) OldPine 15:44, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

Snorkel[l]ing
I think the reason you found so many instances of snorkelling is the fact that it is actually an accepted (albeit not preferred) spelling of the word... kind of like the ubiquitous-around-here traveller. {shrug} -(WT-en) Todd VerBeek 11:34, 3 June 2007 (EDT)

 * That possibility occurred to me, but I did not see it listed as an alternate spelling in my online dictionary of choice. (Traveller is listed.) Further, it was in Project:List of common misspellings. (WT-en) OldPine 14:10, 3 June 2007 (EDT)

Hawaii Volcanoes National Park
Nice work on Hawaii Volcanoes National Park! You probably know this already, but just in case you don't, everything on is licensed in the public domain unless otherwise noted, so you can copy text, maps, images, etc. freely. The organization of the NPS site drives me insane, but I've found it to be a great source of material when working on other park articles. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:00, 3 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Yep, thanks. That's why I love working on these so much :) (WT-en) OldPine 17:13, 3 June 2007 (EDT)

Reestarunt
I can't believe I was guilty of this! --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 15:50, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Heh. I've even caught one of my own! (WT-en) OldPine 15:54, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

Mass. drivers
Hi OldPine -

All the "stay safe" material I've contributed is issues that struck me when I moved from Western Mass to Boston, and now when I visit Mass. from Los Angeles. I wouldn't say it only applies to visitors from other countries.

Of course California drivers are far from perfect. We have our own issues (weaving in and out of traffic, tailgating, road rage, drive-by shootings...). Still, abrupt changes of lane and direction really struck me in Mass., as did running red lights. I'd certainly want a visitor from California to be aware of these things.

RI drivers may have a lot in common with Mass drivers, but I haven't yet noticed the same syndromes in Connecticut or upper New England.

I'd say that yielding pedestrians the right of way varies from place to place. In some parts of L.A., if a pedestrian in a crosswalk makes eye contract with a driver, the driver stops. In other parts of town, it gets more dicey. My recollection of Boston drivers is that when a driver makes eye contact with a pedestrian in a crosswalk it means "geddouda my way!"

I also notice differences in drinking and driving behavior. People in L.A. will have one beer or one glass of wine with dinner and that's it if they will be driving home. In Mass. they'll usually have two or three and hope for the best, I suppose. A visitor from a dry county in the bible belt or Utah might notice this even more! Also in Europe the average DWI threshold is about .05. In Sweden it's .02 and in Slovakia it's anything measurably above zero. Another thing is a major bar/tavern scene in Mass. college towns. Not so much of that out here.

I think the "stay safe" section of United Kingdom did an excellent job. In the U.S. writeups there is more of a tendency to sugarcoat things. I think we need to be more forthcoming.

Cheers, (WT-en) LADave 01:12, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

I certainly don't mind a surfacing of the truth, and I'll admit that I could be hardened to things happening in this are where I've lived all my life. You make good points about there being a lot of colleges and I'm sure the general aggressiveness level is higher among drivers around here than in (say) Bar Harbor. Some people claim that "You have to be that way." to drive effectively in Mass. And truly, when I was last in Boston, it was the pedestrians who took over, refusing to give up the crosswalk to the drivers when the light turned green! Hey, folks just suck. Maybe we should point that out. Naaah.

I do question some of the generalization ("they'll usually have two or three and hope for the best") which may have been more true in the past, or maybe it's a different strata of society than I live in, but we do use designated drivers out here, and most of us really care about maiming and killing our fellow citizens, and especially ourselves. Your anecdotal remarks about lane changing ring somewhat true, but I think tailgating is far more widespread, if less dramatic.

I question what the visiting driver can gain from all this. Any driver needs to be cautious all the time--anywhere. The average driver here doesn't change lanes willy-nilly. A small percentage drive like freakin idiots. We all just try to stay alert, try to keep the blood pressure down to a normal level and not curse too loudly.

Anyhow, you have your (presumably) unbiased opinion and I my larger sample of behavior, so in the wiki way we'll no doubt compromise on something excellent. (WT-en) OldPine 07:16, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

Spelling corrections
OldPine, thank you for the spelling corrections. In the last few days you've touched several of the articles I monitor, and it's nice to have this systematic improvement. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 14:48, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

 * I appreciate the appreciation. I appreciate all your hard work as well, Jim. (WT-en) OldPine 14:51, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

New search engine
David: I need some help testing out the new search engine on review:. It's the search plugin that Wikipedia uses; I think it's faster and gives more accurate results than the default one built into MediaWiki. If you get a chance, can you try some sample queries on http://wikivoyage.org/review/Special:Search and give your feedback on wts:WtTech:Lucene search? --(WT-en) Evan 12:41, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

Hello
Hello David My name is Donald and I would like if you could guide me through wikivoyage? I added two new pages could you check them out ty. --(WT-en) ImogenHeap 15:22, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Sorry, I probably should have left a note here earlier, but I've got a shiny nickel that says User:ImogenHeap and User:Mainer2006 share an IP address with User:64.222.199.130. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:07, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Copy Paste
That's my motto! Of course I am copying. If you think I am going to retype info., like an address, you b crazy man. Same goes for thngs like airports. I am curious why you added link to wikiencylopedia for airport. No zipcodes OK. By the way where did you find that guideline? If you want to make yourself usefull, I created Mt. Gilead, if it should be Mount Gilead, as I later read, please redirect if appropriate. (WT-en) 2old 14:25, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

What?
NOTE:THE FOLLOWING WAS COPY/PASTED from your message ''Also, don't list the town in the town's article and almost never use the zip code. '' Curious:Where did you find that, and what does it mean? (WT-en) 2old 14:38, 29 June 2007 (EDT)
 * see my reply on your talk page. (WT-en) OldPine 14:47, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

On being awesome...

I'm continually impressed with the various tasks you take on around here, and the patience and understanding you have in dealing with the other contributors, and so I'll add to your collection of barnstars with one more. We may all be tilting at windmills, and history may forget our names by the time this project is truly superior to the-printed-guides-that-shall-not-be-named, but it's still very cool to see how much things have grown over time. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:21, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Here here! OldPine is awesome. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:01, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Coolness! Thanks! (WT-en) OldPine 07:47, 1 July 2007 (EDT)

Reading (disambiguation)
In general I think the pattern has been that articles with the "(disambiguation)" disambiguator are kept as redirects if they exist. If the Reading (disambiguation) article needs to go for some reason let me know (or post it on the VFD page), otherwise it probably doesn't hurt to keep it as a mostly-useless redirect to the real disambiguation page. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:09, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Okey dokey. Thanks. (WT-en) OldPine 14:34, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

your edits in Ia
I left some comments re your edits in Talk:Ia, can we discuss them right there? Thanks. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 18:29, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

Moorhead
Admittedly not much of a format guy myself, I appreciate your assistance in organizing and improving the Moorhead page. You're good people. Thanks for the help. (WT-en) Spottacus 04:40, 14 July 2007 (EDT)

Cruisin'
Enjoy the cruise. I've never been on an actual buffets-and-entertainment cruise, although I hear they're fun and you return a pants size larger. I'll do my utmost to protect the New England articles from the vandals in your absence :) -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:37, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

 * I'm sure you're up to it. I actually am a little embarrassed to even call a cruise "travel". It's a pretty sanitized version. Can't eat (or drink) like I used to, and am more committed to exercise to offset the "ass travel" I do daily here. Over and out. (WT-en) OldPine 22:01, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

St. Barthelemy
Hi Old Pine, I note that you have removed the link to the wedding planners on St Barths. I have been having the following conversation with Peter.

''Dear Peter

I have been adding information to the St Barthelemy page (recently registered as Babath) and have remarked that links to accommodation providors have been removed, as such the accomodation section is now blank.

I can tell you that there is no official or not for profit tourism organisations on the island that will contribute, as such this page will have to rely on business owners to grow.

If this is in violation of Wikivoyage rules, I'm afraid the page will die.

Best regards

James''

Peter is pretty much in agreement with me

It is my opinion that Wikivoyage's policies do not fit resort cities/islands like St Barthelemy well; perhaps it is worth revisiting these policies

If we cannot provide information to wedding planners, who by definition are never primary suppliers, villa rental agencies etc, how is this page going to proceed? Are boat charter companies (not generally owners of the boats) to be excluded as well as aggregators?. If this is to be a useful guide, it will need content.

I hope you understand my point, and we can work together to make this a really useful guide.

Best regards

James

Above left by --(WT-en) Babath 10:01 2007-AUG-01

Altamonte Springs (Florida)
I am not certain whether Altamonte Springs in Florida has a unique name, I figured it was "safer" to package it with (Florida). On the other hand, there are many counties that share the same name. Just do a quick search on the Wikipedia sister site and you will see. (WT-en) Gamweb 19:34, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Replied to on your talk page. It's less serious with the counties as they are referenced less often. Still not good though. (WT-en) OldPine 19:40, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

St. Barthelemy
Hi OldPine

Many thanks for your reply.

And I take your points.

I will add the two wedding planners on the island, hopefully in the correct format, and following your reply to this message.

While weddings are not applicable to the majority of travellers, they certainly represent a proportion of visitors. The island is small and a party of 80 is significant.

Most visitors are based in the States, as such organising a wedding on the island really does require someone on the ground.

I am interested to note that you regard the Premium IV site as a guide site as they are in effect a DMC specialising in Weddings. The other wedding planner is equally polyvalent. I hope I am ok to proceed.

In any case, weddings are a side issue. I am adding hotels slowly, and would like to add some villa rental agencies, who represent the majority of the accomodation provided on the island.

I hope this is acceptable (?)

I am new to this, and thank you for your guidance.

Kingsville (Ontario
Did I foul this up with no ) after Ontario? Thought I would ask before going on the the Secret Cities of Ontario. (WT-en) 2old 14:59, 2 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Yep, I moved it. Should be good to go. (WT-en) OldPine 15:07, 2 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Thank You! (WT-en) 2old 15:48, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

Racetracks
Should racetracks have their own pages? I am asking about the larger racetracks, about 30 NASCAR tracks around the US. If so, I can start one for Daytona International Speedway.

I don't believe it meets policy per Project:What is an article. The test is usually whether you can sleep there (at the track). Some may have camping I guess, but as a general rule attractions don't merit their own pages. (WT-en) OldPine 17:55, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

WorldFlicks links
Hi Oldpine. I think links to WorldFlicks (example) are not contrary to the Wikivoyage policy; This is not a map service, nor a personal photo gallery. It is the selection of thousands of users showing the best and most interesting photos of the city. I think it is a perfect source to get a good sense of a city before you visit it. This is exactly the mail goal of Wikivoyage! So I will put some links back, but maybe better in a diffent part of the page. I suggest this: put them under 'Do', for example "Visit Berlin (link), a virtual tour through the city". What do you think? (WT-en) RonaldR 06:30, 9 August 2007 (EDT)

isin -> ispartof
I don't think there ever was any final decision on this, but I will also prefer to use IsIn once the bugs with it has been fixed. Generally I don't change existing IsIn to IsPartOf; only when I see a problem with the breadcrumb (truncated or not displaying at all) do I change it. --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 16:09, 13 August 2007 (EDT)

Use of the links to Wikipedia
Hi OldPine,

I'm a new editor on Wikivoyage. I have seen that you have removed the links that I had made from the Bunya Mountains National Park page to some Wikipedia articles in the Flora & Fauna section. Did I something wrong ? I thought that it would be interesting for the traveller to find easily some in depth information about those plants and animals...

Please let me know your meaning, and that of the wikivoyagers community about this.

DeepPurple.

Hi again OldPine,

I've read your answer about the use of links to Wikipedia (User talk:(WT-en) DeepPurple), and also the discussion on Wikivoyage_talk:Links_to_Wikipedia. I'm really disappointed by this policy. As a reader of an article on Wikivoyage, Wikipedia or any other site, what I think interesting on the Web are the links between all those articles. If I don't like those links, I better read a book ! If this restrictive and protective policy against Wikipedia links is really applied, I think I'll quit the Wikivoyage project.

DeepPurple.

 * Sorry you feel that way. (WT-en) OldPine 13:24, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

Vermilion - Vermillion
Is spelled with two ll's, please correct to one l. Thanks again. Spelling and thinking, kinda like chewing gum and walking at the same time for me. (Difficult.) (WT-en) 2old 16:33, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

Kissimmee
Sorry about ruining your hard work on Kissimmee -- but I couldn't find any office directions for those agencies. -- (WT-en) Colin 23:19, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

Image:PortlandHeadLight.jpg
As requested I have uploaded it to shared. It is in Category Cape Elizabeth in Maine. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 15:23, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

Corey Dillion
See, now I had no problem with the Pats until Corey Dillion.... But that's a Cincinnati-Dillon beef, not Cincinnati-Pats beef. Unfortunately, now most Cincinnati fans will root against the Pats, just to see Dillon lose. By the way, we're playing you next week. Depending on who wins, I may withdraw your nomination as an administrator. ;) -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 20:02, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

 * Now that's just plain dirty... but it would be a swell way to evade the clutches of WT once again ;). I think the fourteen days are up by gametime anyways. I'll just have to try an end around! We lost Dillon to somewhere, but I can't say I follow things close enough to even know where. Injury I think. Don't know diddly about other teams really, either, but I do like to watch the games. (WT-en) OldPine 20:42, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

 * Hey, before I reply, I want to make sure you sent the email and not "O-"capital eye"-dPine did not. Thanks. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 11:53, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
 * That phoney-baloney? Can't we block that account or something? I nabbed it on fr: and redirected to me. Anyhow, yes, the e was me. (WT-en) OldPine 11:59, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

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User talk:LilHelpa/Archives3

Hey whats the deal?
Why did you modify my additions to the Baotou page? Have you ever been there? I live there and 3 of my children were born there! I suggest you back off mister!

Your modification to the Florence page
I'm sorry to say you were wrong and erased the link citing a policy rule that does not apply here. The site is not related to any agency whatsoever, but it is owned (and operated) by the owner of the apartement. -- comment by User:(WT-en) Marco0560 18:50, 2007-10-29 (EDT)

Halloween
So what will you be for Halloween this year? -- (WT-en) Cat-in-the-Hat • (Talk) • 18:57, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

 * I liked it like that--
 * being a cat,
 * with a big fricken hat;
 * not with a mat as a bat or a rat.
 * Perhaps as a whim
 * I'd make a visit to (WT-en) Tim,
 * Or travel to Tyre
 * With a dude named (WT-en) Sapphire.
 * I'll eat green eggs and ham,
 * then delete all the spam...
 * Or learn how to handle
 * a most scurilous vandal;
 * And later I'll walk down the aisle
 * to marry the Manual of Style!

With apologies to the great Dr. Seuss (Theodor Seuss Geisel) of Springfield (Massachusetts). --(WT-en) OldPine 21:16, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Oh the places we'll go; the people we'll see.

 * That's some pretty fancy verse. Clever too.  Yeah, I don't know what caused me to think about it, although, I was discussing a past Halloween memory with someone recently.  That might be what caused me to remember it.  The memory I was discussing was about dressing up as some gruesome looking dead person, which, I did an excellent job doing, especially with the blending of makeups.  Anyhow, I decided to go home after a short while and stood next to my mother for the rest of the night as she passed out candy.  One little girl, who couldn't have been more than ten or so came up to my mom and did the whole "trick or treat" thing.  Then, she glanced over at me and asked my mom "is that real?"  My mother replied no as I stood very,very still.  The girl yelled at her father to come down and look at this thing my mother 'made'.  He didn't come and she got up very close to my face, inspecting me.  She turned around and said something to her father and turned back around to me ready to 'attack' her.  I will never forget how she booked it out of there, dropping candy everywhere and screaming.  It was the funniest reaction I have ever witnessed.  Her father thought it was funny too because as soon as she saw her screaming he doubled over laughing so hard he could barely stand.

 * We gave her a few extra pieces of candy to make up for the terror and nightmares she is probably still having. ;)

 * No, they don't celebrate it in Poland they have something similar to the Hispanic "All Saints' Day", but no where near as elaborate as that or Halloween. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 08:56, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

Dark Side
You are now an administrator with not so shiny buttons. Ha ha. False advertising. Originally, I thought today was the third, which means I was late to 'flipping the bit', but I just remembered today is the first, so I'm not late - I'm just a couple of hours early. Oh well. Have fun with the buttons, but not too much fun. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 03:20, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

 * Oooooh, spooky.
 * But, dude, don't I like have to take an oath? Ain't there no band playing? Soldiers saluting? Free donuts and coffee? No Peggy Lee lyrics? -- (WT-en) OldPine 06:53, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

 * How are the buttons? Understand everything, or need any guidance? -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 12:41, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
 * P.S. If you ever make it to Cincinnati or Warsaw, I'll buy you coffee or vodka, depending on the locale. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 12:42, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

 * Heh, much more likely you'll come here and have lobster (do that). (btw, sorry about crushing your Bengals last night... I told them to go easy.) (WT-en) OldPine 12:53, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

 * Um... guidance would be good. Really should have an admin manual. I think I get it. Almost used the block log today, but JP had already used it. Do we have twerp Tuesday every week? It's not even full moon. Not sure on specific questions I have... I guess the main ones are when to blacklist, when to block. (WT-en) OldPine 12:53, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

 * Yeah, I heard about the Bungles on CNN. Makes me cry. We're 1-3 this season!  WTF!?  Ok, calm down.  At least I didn't catch any of the game so I'm not as upset as I could be (like last week).  Luckily, I was really impressed with Boston last August, so I don't want to see it destroyed like I do with Pittsburgh.

 * In truth, I don't like blocks, despite my sometimes hardline rhetoric.

 * I block only when it seems like there is an undue amount of spam and I try to measure the likeliness of it to continue in the coming minutes and hours, the time, and whether or not I can dedicate any extra time to fighting it.

 * If there is so much spam I can't keep up, I blacklist the biggest culprits (urls), might block a few IPs for a couple hours or a day so I can look at their "contributions" and blacklist any other relevant urls. When I do block it's because of the time (say, 3AM EST/EDT) and I'm not sure whether or not any other admins will likely be around soon enough to help ward off the attacks and I cannot dedicate any more time to fighting spammers, but that's the exception, not the rule.  -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 16:50, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Nazca
Well, in general I view Travel Agents under the Avoid linking to secondary sources rule in Project:External links. Since they are selling hotels rooms, flights, tours, etc. without owning hotels, airplanes, or tourbuses, they aren't the primary sources. Anyone who calls themselves a travel agent is probably going to be blanket reverted by me. But at least one of the reverts should have had an explanation -- my bad.

A tour operator could pass the primary source test.. but only if they actually give the tour themselves. Peru articles get more toutvertising in them so I've tried to keep down anything that is not clearly a primary.

And speaking of annoying primary sources.... the Epoque hotel guys are annoying as hell, but if they really are the hotel owners, then they are primary and it's okay for them to add listings -- at least to the city the hotel resides in. Detouting isn't fun though. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:18, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

You could try bringing up the Epoque issue at Project:Local spam blacklist. Also, see my comment at the pub. -- (WT-en) Colin 12:49, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Decatur (Georgia)

 * Thanks for the suggestion on furniture stores. That is one of several items that may require some editing/discussion.  Two points: 1) Antique stores are a retail destination for vistors/tourists in the south and midwest (ie, Brown County, Indiana); and 2) Atlanta is a destination for shopping in the southeast (Phipps Plaza, Lenox Square, Merchandise Mart, etc.). Decatur's "new" furniture stores are somewhat unique.  Contemporary loft furnishings (and Asian to a lesser extent) are less likely to be available in smaller metro areas - at least in the South. If you these are marginal entries, let me know and we can edit them. A few of these entries are arguably more beneficial to "new residents" rather than "tourists".  Thanks.  --(WT-en) Baxterguy 13:19, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Vandalism policy?
I don't know about you folks (I'm sending the same message to several), but I for one am getting sick and tired of the intentional vandalism that's going on here. I am trying to start a discussion on Project:Community policies as to whether something more forceful needs to be in place to deal with it. Historically, we have bent far over backwards to avoid punitive action against vandals and have simply gone in and cleaned up the messes they create. However, the frequency of vandalism is growing, and I am not convinced that we are doing Wikivoyage a service by tolerating it. This said, I'm not at all sure what the "right" response is.

I'd appreciate your participation in the discussion on that talk page. Let's see if we can come up with something appropriate. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:39, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

Belgrade article contribs
Thanks for the note. :) I'm a foreigner living here for a little under a year, so I thought I'd add things that might help the adventurous among us who come out here!

Help
Thanks for your help on Decatur (Georgia). I have a formatting question. Why aren't the "double columns" of text equal widths? Is there are way to get them to always be equal? --(WT-en) Baxterguy 15:35, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

Hi Oldpine, sorry my additions didn't meet the "accommodation listings guidelines" i will add appropriately - however, why were the other listings allowed to stay on there ?thanks -- added 2007-11-21  by Anon User:213.1.215.2

 * If they are inappropriate, please remove them and state why in the "Summary" box for the edit. Apparently I was only checking the edits you made and didn't notice them. -- (WT-en) OldPine 19:50, 21 November 2007 (EST)

Thanks for your response, i will do in the future.

Compliments
I couldn't find your e-mail address after looking in the "toolbox" but I have to say that I am impressed. Yesterday I started the Montville, NJ page (I am a resident) and I was shocked that it was already changed a bit. Especially by someone not even from these parts. (Comments by User:205.188.116.144 12 November 2007)

 * The email address doesn't show, but you can click on "E-mail this user". I've made edits on articles all over the world, often just improving style or adding phone/address/URL, but we rely on the locals or those with direct experience for the "low-down". Please consider starting an account as it makes communicating easier. -- (WT-en) OldPine 06:56, 12 November 2007 (EST)

NASCAR
Just a comment. Although I do not follow NASCAR, due to my interest in NHRA when I was young and CART when I was looking for something to do with my sons, I developed an appreciation for what racing can do for a local economy. Rooms fill up, restaraunts do a booming business and lots of gasoline is purchased by thousands of visitors, just for starters. NASCAR has an interesting history, starting with moonshine runners. The availability of large tracts of land to buy cheaply for race tracks in the south and mid-west have made for spectacular tracks for these events. When I contibute to WT, I try to add things in a way that creates an interest in things I have done, that may appeal to a vistor who has never been to the subject destination. So, what's my point? I think WT needs to give as much attention to racing in the US as, say baseball. If you look at a baseball game and then compare the crowd at a NASCAR event, you will find a much bigger crowd at the NASCAR event usually, baseball is now a TV sport for spectators. Americans seem to be interested in all sorts of racing, from cars, to boats, horses, dogs, motorcyles, even lawn mowers. In my limited travel outside of the US, I notice few, but some race tracks. Here again, my point is, if we are trying to give a visitor to the US a taste of new things to do, racing should be include. However, maybe not in specific articles like a NASCAR itinerary, but a more general article. Any comments? (WT-en) 2old 12:16, 24 November 2007 (EST)

Re:Page Protection time format
Not sure I understand your question. You can just say "1 day," "20 minutes," etc., and the software will take it from there. What problem were you having? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 22:00, 25 November 2007 (EST)

thanks for nuremberg
from IP 84.149.107.91 1302@superbeetle.de

 * Anytime. --(WT-en) OldPine 19:21, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Re: Devils Dyke
I'll probably sort it out soon, just debating as to wether it needs its own article, since its not really a park, more a landscape feature ( wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Dyke%2C_Sussex) shall I just pop it into the South Downs or Brighton where most of the visitors are likley to stream from.

thanks

(WT-en) Prof Jack 11:34, 7 January 2008 (EST)

sorry for the spamming
Sorry for spamming those links. I was trying to get OpenID running on my site and Wikivoyage seemed like a great place to test it. I've tried to delete the links from the other accounts I created, but that seems to be impossible. Cheers, —(WT-en) Ruud 13:28, 9 January 2008 (EST)

not a troll oldpine
you remember me like a year ago or two i'am back and ready to roll good to see ya oldpine --72.73.90.185 19:50, 8 February 2008 (EST)

you got something to pick with me pine? --(WT-en) Lone.guner 21:30, 8 February 2008 (EST)

Troll? all of a sudden
fucker excusing me of trolling and you know what oldpine i think you suck as a free helper on here you have blocked all my shit from like 3 years ago. --(WT-en) Thehighlands 16:58, 12 February 2008 (EST) i do not like you my opinion --(WT-en) Thehighlands 16:58, 12 February 2008 (EST)

Connecticut Outdoor Adventure
Considering that I added all of the content (written in the Outdoor Adventure section of Connecticut on WikiTravel) using Connecticut Explorer's Guide (www.CTXGuide.com) as an external link to referance the material, I think the link should stay.

If referencing content has somehow become out of fashion, please let me know. There appears to be no references at all for the content on the Connecticut page.

Either repost the referencing external link or remove the content that I had created. Either way I will be ok with it, just do not keep the content up without properly referencing the original source.

By the way, good luck finding another source for this information. Connecticut Explorer's Guide is the ONLY source. Feb 16, 2008 - Czimborbryan (User:75.11.8.156)

 * We do not require references for contributions here at Wikivoyage. If you basically copied the material from CTXGuide.com it would likely be a copyright violation and should be removed. I wasn't able to see a word-for-word copy-in for the Connecticut material and I really don't see anything that's too far beyond common knowledge there.
 * At any rate, merely using someone's material can not be justification for keeping a link that violates policy... else it would be done all the time. (WT-en) OldPine 19:43, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Even though you do not require references, if the content was derived from a source it needs to be referenced as protected under copyright law. The content was not "copied" from Connecticut Explorer's Guide, but it was derived from researching through the website's content.

Like I said, the content that I added to the page either needs to be referenced or deleted. I will delete it at this point, but if the content deletion is undone without proper references, there will be legal action. Feb 17, 2008 Czimborbryan

Dunno who to tell this to
My real IP is 65.24.110.210, when I log out and click on my contributions, those I have made at the real IP are gone and it shows my IP as 172.16.253.210 and it is still making all kinds of contributions that I know nothing of. 172.16.253.210 13:22, 21 February 2008 (EST) WOW. It shows this IP when I do not log in Mike Sharp

 * Ah, yep. It seems to have everyone tagged with the same IP. -- (WT-en) OldPine 13:26, 21 February 2008 (EST)

Thanks for dealing with this OldPine. The blocks were apparently blamed on me, and I had 19 emails in my inbox today about it. -- (WT-en) Colin 17:38, 21 February 2008 (EST)

City trimming
In response, I have only removed cities for which there is still no article. Why is the area any exception to our 9 cities rule? Also, doesn't this area need to be de-countyfied? (WT-en) Texugo 22:47, 24 February 2008 (EST)

 * Ah yes, the old philosophical argument as to whether each place deserves its own article. Well, it's my understanding that Evan thought that each town should be assigned to a region (see talk for Massachusetts I think). Not so critical in Pioneer Valley as the counties define the region, but in other eastern areas the lines can be more subjective. Not sure what you mean by de-countyfying. I see other areas using counties. You think the region is not rich enough to support these sub regions? No exception to the 9 cities rule I guess (though I personally think it's bullshit). If that's the case though, don't we need sub-regions such as counties? --(WT-en) OldPine 22:56, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * I understood it this way: Not that every little town can't have its own article. I think they should, but not every little place needs to be listed on a sub-region page when the get out section of the closest decent size place would be enough. As for subdivision, I was under the impression from discussions like this that we want to use counties only when necessary. In this case, don't the three eloquently described subregions of the Connecticut River Valley, the Hilltowns, and the Eastern Uplands make more sense as a way to subdivide this region? (WT-en) Texugo 23:08, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * I don't know that they're comprehensive or easily defined. They were added after the county sub-regions. I can understand the reluctance to use counties, and really just like them because they avoid wasting time on discussions about where lines are drawn. I'll support whatever you want to do there, I'm going to bed. Hey, you might want to look at Massachusetts talk, too. I guy had an idea there for trimming the state regions (there are more than 9). Just don't expect me to explain any of what you do. ;) --(WT-en) OldPine 23:19, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Thanks for fighting vandals (Lame and 84.42.254.138)
(WT-en) OldPine and (WT-en) Sapphire, I just came across the vandalism by Lame and 84.42.254.138 on March 4. Thank you for your diligent work to clean it up, and so quickly. You had it all done before I even noticed the problem. I hope those vandals are feeling unfulfilled. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 17:43, 5 March 2008 (EST)

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User talk:LilHelpa/Toolbox

Uh, forgive the curmudgeonry, but I think this should probably be called "User:OldPine/Toolbox" instead. Mind putting in a redirect? It's great that you're working so aggressively on New England, but recommend following the policies/formats. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:48, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Oldsalt1938

Hello Oldsalt1938!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thank you for contributing San Diego/Balboa Park. Would you care to expand a bit on your initial contribution? Your article implies it is a famous place, but I have never heard of it I and would like to know more. Is it a district, suburb, zoo, city or town? And why do I need to spend 2 days there? You haven't said and I am intrigued about what is missing. -- (WT-en) Huttite 06:42, 6 Apr 2005 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Oldwhiteinn

Hello Oldwhiteinn! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. Keep smiling, (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 22:08, 19 November 2008 (EST).

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User talk:(WT-en) Ole-p

Hello!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. If you want to specialize your experience you may want to consider editing your preferences. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to the whole wiki community look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to use the wiki markup. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. Also, when posting comments or a question please sign your comments with the four tides - ~. Which will look like this - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 14:52, 12 June 2006 (EDT)

Would you happen to have information about the Jüdisches Museum? Sprechen Sie Deutsch? Haben Sie Informationen über das Jüdisches Museum?

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User talk:(WT-en) OleTange

Hello, OleTange! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page.

If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 15:33, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Oli

Hello Oli! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. -- (WT-en) Texugo 02:08, 8 November 2008 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Olibariki

Hello, ! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page.

If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 08:49, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

De
Just wanted to point out we've got a German version that might interest you... we could use your help as a native German speaker! Welcome to WT – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 00:33, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Oli T

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage. If you want to specialize your experience you may want to consider editing your preferences. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to the whole wiki community look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to use the wiki markup. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.-- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 18:41, 13 August 2006 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) OliverBuchino

Hello!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. You can edit your preferences to change how the software works for you. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to our wiki software, MediaWiki, look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to edit a page. If you need help, check out the help desk, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. (WT-en) - Cacahuate 21:48, 25 February 2007 (EST)

Tip
Check out Project:What is an article? to figure out what kinds of things we do or don't want articles about. For example, we want an article for Saint Louis not the Gateway Arch -- but the Arch should be covered in the Saint Louis article. -- (WT-en) Colin 15:08, 3 April 2007 (EDT)

Number of cities
To avoid turning every region and country article into a never-ending list of every city in the country or region, we've decided on a somewhat (but not completely) arbitrary limit of no more than nine items for these lists. I know it's not easy (and maybe impossible to do fairly), but please try to pick a sample of nine representative and popular destinations when you create a list of this sort. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 15:39, 2 June 2007 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Olivia

Hello Olivia! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 19:22, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Olivier Mengué

Hello Olivier Mengué!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thank you for contributing to Paris. -- (WT-en) Huttite 05:12, 17 Feb 2005 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Oliyoung

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. --(WT-en) Majnoona 14:11, 25 Aug 2004 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Ollibe

Hello!

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User talk:(WT-en) Ollyok

Hello, Ollyok! Welcome to Wikivoyage. If you want to specialize your experience you may want to consider editing your preferences. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to the whole wiki community look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to use the wiki markup. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thanks for your interest in Letterkenny, but please be aware that malls, shopping centers, etc., usually don't meet the Wikivoyage standards as to what constitutes an article. I'd suggest you concentrate your efforts on the article for the town itself and skip the articles on Courtyard, Forte, etc., which are likely going to be subject to deletion. Anyway, thanks for the enthusiasm! -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:13, 19 August 2006 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Ollyrharness

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) OlobaSelal

Welcome
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User talk:(WT-en) OloleTozel

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User talk:(WT-en) OloliCaace

Welcome
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User talk:(WT-en) Omar40

welcome to Wikivoyage. Please see our Project:External links policy: we do not link to external guides-- thanks! (WT-en) Maj 10:16, 7 February 2007 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Omegaepsilon

Hello, Omegaepsilon! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Nice work on Mandarmani—it's good to see someone who knows the area writing about it! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:00, 8 February 2009 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Omeida chinese academy

What not to do
Hi. I know you're enthusiastic about your academy, but keep in mind that this is a travel guide, not a site set up for the purpose of benefiting your business. So in view of that, read the following, and please stop spamming.

Project:Don't tout

Project:First person pronouns

Project:The traveller comes first

Be warned that if you persist in reposting advertisements, pay no attention to advice on how to edit your listings, and make a lot of unnecessary work for the volunteers who try to keep this site spam- and tout-free, your site may end up on Project:Local spam blacklist.

Have a nice day.

(WT-en) Ikan Kekek 02:46, 2 May 2011 (EDT)


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User talk:(WT-en) Omen

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User talk:(WT-en) Omersk

Is there a reason why you keep uploading images to English Wikivoyage? The assumption is that anyone who ignores the warning on the Special:Upload page probably also failed to read the guidelines about not uploading copyrighted material, and as a result all contributions will be deleted on sight. If you have questions you can ask them on this talk page or in the Pub. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:35, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Omgwii22

Hello!

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User talk:(WT-en) Omid Hatami

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User talk:(WT-en) Om-india-om

Don't tout
Hi. You are not allowed to use any page, including your user page, to advertise. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 03:28, 29 December 2011 (EST)

 * All your edits so far have been touts. If you continue doing that, your account will be blocked. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 05:15, 4 January 2012 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Omnihoteldirectory

Welcome
Please read the comments that have already been left for you at User talk:74.7.158.162. To this point most of your contributions have been deleted - due to spam issues the criteria for hotel chain listings is fairly high. Specifically:

 * Project:Don't tout. Avoid "our", "we" or "I" in listings, do not add SEO terms to listings, do not use overly promotional language.
 * Don't list nearby destinations. If a hotel is attached to the airport or convention center that's fine, but saying "20 minutes from the airport" is frowned upon.
 * Include at least a minimal amount of useful information. Price ranges are a requirement, and some description other than just "this beautiful hotel is in downtown".  See Project:Accommodation listings for examples.

We aren't opposed to having hotel chains list their hotels on Wikivoyage, but those listings need to be useful for travelers and not merely promotional material meant to boost search engine listings. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:58, 29 January 2010 (EST)

I apologize, I'm not trying to push these hotels in any promotional way. My focus is to get them on the page with name and link at minimum. I do not have price range list, but I can see about getting one. Any suggestions on how I can list these correctly and to the most use would be appreciated. (WT-en) Omnihoteldirectory

 * We've had issues with hotel chains hiring companies to dump content on Wikivoyage, and after literally years of trying to work with these companies the resulting consensus was that if Wikivoyage is being used for business purposes and the quality of the listings do not meet a minimum standard they will generally be removed. Your listings are better than most - you are putting them into the correct articles (for the most part) and using the correct formats, but there has still been a need to go back and clean things up.  What the minimum requirements would be are:

 * Hotel name, address, phone number, URL and price range.
 * Use the sleep listing tag.
 * A description of the hotel that provides some useful info that would allow a traveler to select it. Don't list nearby attractions or general abstractions like "this business friendly hotel provides excellent service" but instead provide some information about amenities and other information that sets the hotel apart from others.  See most of the listings in a high-quality like Chicago/Loop for examples.

 * In addition, anytime you see a blinking red indicator next to your account name in the top-right part of the screen it means someone left a message on your talk page. People here generally very willing to work with you, so ask questions on this page or in the Pub and you'll find most folks willing to help advise. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:43, 29 January 2010 (EST)

 * Also, you can sign your posts on talk pages with four tildes (" ~ ") and that will be automatically converted into a link to your user page and the current date. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:44, 29 January 2010 (EST)

 * You have clearly made an effort and for that, thank you. You might want to suggest to the organisation employing to do this work that they provide you with all the information required - eg prices. Direct them to this discussion if you wish. Thanks again. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 00:41, 30 January 2010 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Omniuz

Hello Omniuz! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Omowumi

Hello, Omowumi! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Omprakash 56

Hello Omprakash 56! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Ondrae

''This page is for discussing the corresponding article or guide. For questions, comments, or personal stories about this destination or topic, visit Wikivoyage Extra. For more about using talk pages check out Project:Using talk pages.''

Welcome
Welcome to Wikivoyage! I hope you enjoy editing with us! (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 20:30, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Onebobtoomany

Hello, Onebobtoomany! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Thanks for your addition to the Sutton article.

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User talk:(WT-en) Oneiltm3

Welcome to Wikivoyage
Hello!

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Thank for contributing to Falmouth (Massachusetts) -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 22:06, 25 November 2006 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Onescok

Welcome
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User talk:(WT-en) Onetrickdog

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User talk:(WT-en) Onlineres

Welcome
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User talk:(WT-en) OnlyMelbourne

Hello!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. We don't usually have user pages for websites-- could you tell us a little more about how you're hoping to contribute to Wikivoyage? You should take a look at our Project:Goals and non-goals as well as our Project:Fellow Traveller Expedition.

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Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks (WT-en) Maj 11:09, 9 December 2006 (EST)

My mistake
Late night surfing found your excellent resource and when presented with an editable userpage, I thought, hey why not!

In the cool clear light of morning [except for the haze from the Victorian bushfires hanging over Melbourne] I can see the userpage was an err...

More than happy for it to be removed!

OnlyMelbourne

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User talk:(WT-en) Ontheroad

Welcome
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User talk:(WT-en) Onurezer

Welcome
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Thanks a lot for your contributions to Antakya article! – (WT-en) Vidimian 16:50, 5 August 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Oobopshark

Hello Oobopshark! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Thanks for your clean-up edits! UPPERCASE is best avoided though, bold already gets the point across. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:41, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) OoishiMoe

I'm OoishiMoe at the Thai Wikipedia. Please direct any messages there.

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User talk:(WT-en) Ookla

Hello Ookla!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thank you for contributing to Kona, Big Island (Hawaii), Vancouver (Washington) and Victoria (British Columbia). -- (WT-en) Huttite 00:09, 20 Mar 2005 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Oolongguy

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage. I would recommend to start with our Tips for new contributors if you feel like it. To specialize your experience you may want to consider editing your preferences. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to the whole wiki software look at the wiki markup to get an idea of how to use the wiki markup. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. -- (WT-en) Cacahuate 07:07, 15 January 2007 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Ooty

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User talk:(WT-en) Opabinia

Hello!

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User talk:(WT-en) Opal

Welcome
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-- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:46, 27 December 2011 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Open321

Do not SEO listings. See Project:Don't tout. -- (WT-en) Colin 15:26, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

Look, you can run, but you can't hide. Format the Sleep listings correctly and start the new pages by selecting the "City" link as the edit window directs. If not, I'll assume you want it deleted. (WT-en) OldPine 18:56, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

 * Hi - please read our policies on hotel marketing. An edit such as this one that does nothing other than describe the neighborhood is highly discouraged - describe the hotel, not what's near it. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:27, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

Daytona Beach
Stop perverting the name of Harbour Beach Resort and changing the "official" website link. If you do it again, I will take steps to have you banned. (WT-en) gamweb 18:07, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I disagree with the revert edit to Harbour Beach Resort (Daytona). The official site is www.wgdaytonabeach.com and is part of Westgate Resorts. The current link goes to a timeshare owner which is not the property owner. Please find the correct URL (link) at the bottom of http://www.harbourbeachresortonline.com/rentbyowner.htm. (WT-en) Open321 17:20, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
 * You can disagree all you want. I live in Daytona Beach and am well acquainted with the property (I used to work there!) Westgate does not own Harbour Beach Resort and if you claim otherwise, you are a liar; Westgate owns 24 (out of 159 total) units there; the other condominium units are owned by individuals and their official website is harbourbeachresortonline.com. You have repeatedly perverted the name of the property and tried to change the official website. (WT-en) gamweb 21:51, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Westgate has requested a secondary listing, which has been added, to accommodate both sites. (WT-en) Open321 13:09, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I have asked an Admin to weigh in on this. (WT-en) gamweb 04:55, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
 * : See talk page please. (WT-en) Sertmann 04:56, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Dominican listings
Please see Project:Don't tout for our guidelines on advertising - adding three listings to one article for the same company violates the "one listing only" guideline in that policy. Additionally, see Apt for the guidelines on rental property listings as I didn't see a property management address for the web site you added. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:26, 7 January 2010 (EST)

Hotel Marketing
Wikivoyage has recently tightened its policies on hotel marketing - see the new guidelines. And please note that edits such as this one that add an improperly formatted listing to an article about a city that is nearly 100 miles to the south of the hotel's actual location are highly frowned upon. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:04, 20 May 2010 (EDT)

My error. Thanks for notifying.

 * Please include price ranges in your listings, otherwise they are of limited value, and your edits may thus all be reverted. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:57, 7 August 2010 (EDT)

 * Please read SEO. This edit is not in compliance with our guidelines for marketers. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:39, 10 August 2010 (EDT)

 * No edit that you've made today has been in compliance with the policies referenced above, and all of them have been reverted. Please either take the time to include prices and a useful description of the property (not the neighborhood), otherwise I'd sadly suggest that Wikivoyage is not a venue that is appropriate for you to be using for your business. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:16, 10 August 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) OpenBook

Please read our naming conventions - the articles you are creating are inappropriate. Please also see our guidelines for marketers. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:59, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

 * Please respond on this talk when you have read the above guidelines. If you continue to create mis-named articles or add inappropriate listings it may unfortunately be necessary to begin temporarily blocking this account as a way to try and get your attention. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:05, 14 October 2010 (EDT)

 * Once again, please read our guidelines for marketers. Listings that use the first person or read like they were copied from a marketing brochure will almost always be removed.  Wikivoyage is a travel guide - information that is contributed should read like one would expect to find in a Lonely Planet or a Moon guide, not a guide from the local chamber of commerce. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:53, 19 October 2010 (EDT)

 * Please leave a message on this page when you have read the messages above. I blocked you from editing for two hours to avoid wasting more of your and our time. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:02, 21 October 2010 (EDT)

 * I've blocked you from editing for 24 hours in a further attempt to get your attention. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:37, 21 October 2010 (EDT)

 * I have seen that you have blocked us from doing anything on Wiki. We did not intentionally post listings incorrectly. Will you please unblock us so we can go back and re-list all of these properties correctly?! --

 * Have you read the guidelines mentioned previously? Your intention on Wikivoyage is clearly to use the site for advertising, which is counter to our goals, so I'm not at all confident that your future contributions will be any better than what you've done here in the past. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:19, 26 October 2010 (EDT)

I have read the guidelines thoroughly and understand your purpose behind them. This is my first experience working and posting with Wiki Travel, so I was unaware of your policies. I am more than willing to comply with the Wiki policies now that I know them. One question I do have is whether or not i have to fill out every field when i add a listing? (i.e. do i need to include the lat & long.?)

 * The important fields are name, address, phone, URL and price. The description must also be a useful description, not one that is SEO-optimized to trigger keywords for local attractions.  Additionally, please make sure that if you create a new article that the naming is correct as described in Project:Article naming conventions - in the past you have created a number of articles that were incorrectly named and duplicated existing articles. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:26, 26 October 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) OpenHaus

Hello OpenHaus!

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Thank you for contributing to Lamai. -- (WT-en) Huttite 04:27, 19 Jan 2005 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Openid1

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I noticed you created a new article on Lilac. What is that and where is it located?, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 03:58, 3 March 2010 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) OpenIDUser146

Welcome
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Good work on Faralya, please keep it up! – (WT-en) Vidimian 02:53, 19 July 2012 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Opensite

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Opensourcy

Welcome
The keys are to be picked up here (local office) and for problems travelers can always come to our office and we resolve them right away ;-):

Address: Open House Spain, S.L. Portal del Angel, 42, 4, B 08002 Barcelona Spain

www.oh-barcelona.com

Hello!

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Thanks for your contributions to Barcelona. As several editors have tried to point out, the Project:Accommodation listings policy is pretty clear that an apartment rental agency can only be listed when there is a local office that travelers can visit to pick up keys, resolve problems, etc. From the website of the agency your listing it does not appear to meet that criteria and is therefore (unfortunately) inappropriate for a Wikivoyage article. If you disagree with this policy please read the rationale for it on Project:Accommodation listings and make any suggestions that you feel might improve the guideline. -- (WT-en) Ryan (talk) 03:17, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

Keys
Your fine website says:
 * Where and when will I receive the keys?
 * The owner or guardian of the accommodation will give you the keys when he shows you into the accommodation. The steps outlining what you should do to arrange to meet the owner/guardian will be explained in the booking confirmation we will send you.

Could you please correct this on your website first before asking us to list your apartment service so that we have obvious confirmation that you have met our guidelines for listing. -- (WT-en) Colin 03:47, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

Hey, What's up?
It looks like Flip666's removal of your listing in Paris seems to have annoyed you to the point of vandalism. Would you like to talk about it? There have always been multiple theories here on external linking, you might well find you have allies if you want to take up the cause. -- (WT-en) Mark 08:46, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

 * The removal of my listing didn´t make any sense since the other links in Paris are very similar (commercially speaking). So can someone be straight and tell me what the guidelines are for adding a listing?

 * Have a look at Project:Accommodation listings and Project:External_links ~ 61.91.191.9 11:36, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

 * You may also want to read WikiPedia:Wikipedia:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point, which is equally applicable on Wikivoyage. If you disagree with a policy please discuss it, which in the long term is the most productive way of getting things done. -- (WT-en) Ryan (talk) 11:56, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

 * OK people, I read the rules concerning apartment listings. The listing I was trying to put up meets the last three conditions, but not the first. A legitimate reason for throwing me off the page one could conclude. But concerning the first condition, we do have a 'real world' office with a phone number and a address. The only thing that does not happen is that the actual tourist will come up to our office to pick up the keys. Seems a rather complicated procedure to me. Why make things so hard for a Wikivoyager? Why not go directly to the apartment where the keys will be handed over to the person in question for the time of rental? Can someone explain me the logic behind condition one?

 * Apartment listings

 * Owners of apartments, condos, and vacation homes sometimes arrange with a rental agency to rent out their place when they aren't using it. In order to list an agency in Wikivoyage, it must meet the following conditions:

 * 1. The agency must have a 'real world' office with a phone number and address where the keys  will be picked up.

2. Rentals of less than 1 week must be available. 3. The lodgings must not be available to rent directly through the owner 4. Must be in a location where travelers frequently rent cabins/apartments

Talk?
If you feel that I did something wrong, please talk to us! Vandalism is useless. It is one click for us to revert all your edits. You are editing on the German version, too, so if you like to talk in German you can leave me a message there: de:Benutzer Diskussion:(WV-de) Flip666. --(WT-en) Flip666 writeme! • 08:51, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Openworld

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage. I would recommend to start with our Tips for new contributors if you feel like it. To specialize your experience you may want to consider editing your preferences. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to the whole wiki software look at the wiki markup to get an idea of how to use the wiki markup. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thanks for your contributions to Colombo, but please note that individual hotels don't get their own articles -- see Project:What is an article? for the full scoop. I've merged your description back into Colombo, and taken out some of the hype. -- (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:55, 22 December 2006 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Opersing

Hello Opersing! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Opkanwal

Hello, Opkanwal! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Opo

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. You can also ask me for help anytime by visiting my Talk page and leaving a message. -- (WT-en) PerryPlanet Talk 14:36, 30 November 2008 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Optim

��εια σου! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. There's a Greek phrasebook which could use your help (my Greek is mostly biblical Greek, not traveler's Greek). -(WT-en) phma

 * Hi Optim, good to see you here too. Wikipedia gets so busy (and slow) at times, Wikivoyage is a nice, low-key way to get a Wiki-fix.  So much more calming. :) (WT-en) Fuzheado 10:57, 1 Feb 2004 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Optimistic84

Hello Optimistic84! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Fairfax County contributions
Hello, we at Wikivoyage greatly appreciate your contributions. The goal of Wikivoyage is to create guides, so someone doesn't need consult other websites. The "get around" section usually has a description of the methods of getting around. If you want to turn a website into a link, like this, just put an open bracket on the front of the website (including "http://"). Click here for an example. Obviously, NYC will have a much larger section than Fairfax County, but that's what we are looking for. I'm not trying to scare you off, please keep contributing. I'm just showing you what we're looking for. (WT-en) AHeneen 21:50, 3 December 2008 (EST)

title: User talk:(WT-en) Optimistic84