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Talk:Delhi

Modifications in Drinking Section
I'm wondering why my update to the Coffee / Tea section has been twice repealed? I slightly rephrased the section on the coffee chains, and added a small note about independent coffee shops, including a listing for one particularly good one in Paharganj. To my mind, this improved the utility of the section and added information that is in keeping with the style of the rest of the article, and as far as I can tell, I haven't breached any of the guidelines. Could someone (preferably the user who reverted the change) please clarify this? Thanks. (WT-en) Elcapitan510 18:15, 24 December 2008

Airport Update
Just edited the page to change the airport information: Safdarjung is not the main airport. (WT-en) Schizoid 13:48, 24 Feb 2004 (EST)

With the opening of the $3 billion new terminal 3 operating all international and full service domestic flights, Delhi international airport has seen a major face lift. In fact, he international airport (Terminal 3) is now one of the best airport terminals in the world. It has a capacity of handling 34 million passengers per year. So, it is no more the airport with dirty toilets as it used to be. I am going to update the getting-in section with these info. http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/07/03/india.delhi.airport/index.html#fbid=fuvxM4g340D&wom=false (WT-en) Ess.Bee 08:25, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

Stay Healthy
Just edited away the last part about the probiotics and other equally doubtful medical advice from the wiki.

While probiotics are helpful in preventing traveler's diarrhoea, there should be caution in using them, as not everyone will get the same benefit. In some cases, probiotic use can even promote bowel transit. Thus it is clear that no concensus about the use of probiotics currently exists, nor is it adviceable to use them without consideration

I'm currently not able to rewrite this section due to time limitations. But reliable information about traveling precautions in inda can be found at the WHO site, and through other verified sources I am amazed not seeing any link to them here, or on any other India related wikivoyage page i've visited so far. 1:41, 15 April 2008 (CEST)

Request from "Prasun"
There is a great website on food in delhi. It has the menu of all the restaurants with their ratings and phone nos. But the problem is that its my start up. I tried putting it up before on wekipedia but somebody removed the link and hence its my request if anyone here can go to my website and check it and then post it here if he or she likes it.

i know it will be unfair to spam the wiki and it being my website i am definitely biased towards thinking it as a nice one.

 * Yeah, this is the wrong place as well. Try Wikivoyage Extra. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:30, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

This article...
...contains a lot of advertising and lacks mode of style at present. Someone ought to do something about it. I'm sorry I'm not doing it myself, don't want to spend precious chilean internet café money on it... Is there anyone out there with some spare time? - (WT-en) Fridday 20:20, 11 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I agree it needs some care & attention, but do you have anything specific in mind? I'm not sure what "advertising" you're refering to. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:58, 11 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Sorry about my general and vague accusations. What do you think about this:
 * Asian Guest House, 14 Scindia House, 2nd. Floor, Kasturba Gandhi Marg, Connaught Place, New Delhi 110001 - Phones: 91-11-23313393 / 23314658 / 23310229 / 23313663. Tariff range From: Single Occupancy non air-conditioned room for INR 400 [USD 9 - AUD 12 - EURO 7.5 - AED 32.5] to Double Occupancy air-conditioned room with cable TV for INR 800* [USD 18 - AUD 24 - EURO 15 - AED 65]. The place to stay while visiting Delhi/ New Delhi in nice clean rooms with homely atmosphere and a helpful staff, besides it being so very centrally located.
 * I'm also a little concerned with the Sagar- entry under "South Indian" in the Eat secion. -- (WT-en) Fridday 16:31, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

 * The Asian Guest House listing doesn't seem too ad-ish, maybe a little more detail than needed. I'll go ahead and tighten up that last sentence so it's a little more useful and a little less touting. In general, we are recommending places by including them in the guides so there's something to be said for mentioning specificly what's good about a place. But both your examples can prolly be toned down a little. Lemme know if you have more comments -- or feel free to plunge forward and edit it yourself (it doesn't take any longer than explaining what you want changed on the talk page!). (WT-en) Majnoona 21:12, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Maybe I was wrong. I had a quick look and it felt like the guesthouse owners had just copied and pasted it from their standard ad, but I guess that might not be the case. I don't want to edit the description of a guesthouse I have never visited and only explained it on the talk-page because I felt I was asked to. I'll concentrate on countries I'm in at present from now on. -- (WT-en) Fridday 13:28, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Missing the point here 'guesthouse owners had just copied and pasted from their standard ad'... can you please elaborate on it...

Districts
I'm pretty sure this qualifies as a huge city. Anyone want to comment before I try and district-ify it? (WT-en) Majnoona 22:02, 11 July 2006 (EDT)

Stab at districts: (WT-en) Majnoona 22:13, 11 July 2006 (EDT)
 * North Delhi - around Delhi University, Shah Jahanabad
 * South Delhi - Santushti, Greater Kailash, Sainik Farms, Dilli Haat, Vasant Vihar,
 * East Delhi - Laxmi Nagar, Preet vihar, Ito, Mayur Vihar
 * West Delhi - Rajouri, Punjabi Bagh
 * Central Delhi - Khan Market, Paharganj
 * You should add Gurgaon and Noida - where good shopping and cheaper lodgements are available
 * Great initiative! Good luck. Would be conveinient if the list of districts specified in which "Old Delhi" and Connaught place were located. -- (WT-en) Fridday 18:26, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Err, can you just edit my list and add them? I haven't been to Delhi in a long time... (WT-en) Majnoona 21:15, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Ehm, I'm sorry, but I don't know where to put them... Haven't been to Delhi in a couple of years myself... I just felt a little confused when confronted with the list and I remember the Old delhi and connaught circus areas as quite important and well known among travellers. Sorry if I implied to know more about Delhi than I actually do. -- (WT-en) Fridday 13:21, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * No problem! Any and all contributions are always appreciated... we'll get there little-by-little! (WT-en) Majnoona 13:34, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * EAST DELHI area is Trans Jamuna, ITO doesnot come in East Delhi

 * FWIW, Wikipedia has a map of the official nine districts of Delhi -- would this be a useful split? (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:55, 21 October 2006 (EDT)

Yow -- that was a bit too hasty. I'm not very happy with Maj's proposed listing above: where do eg. Connaught Place and Chawri Bazaar go? Would "Old Delhi" and "New Delhi" be a more sensible split than just an amorphous "Central"? But please, let's agree on a district map before we start breaking up the article. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:01, 24 January 2007 (EST)

 * Yeah, I kinda threw that out there just to draw out people who would actually know how to do it... At the very least Old Delhi and New Delhi need to be represented. (WT-en) Maj 12:45, 24 January 2007 (EST)

 * I guess I might have been a bit guilty of plunging forward too soon there! Please excuse my enthusiasm! It will probably be worth getting User:(WT-en) Upamanyuwikitravel involved because he lives in this city, and he should be able to help districtise. We were having a brief chat about it on my talk page, where he suggested the split that I set up in links. On the same subject, I found a .svg thats licensed under ccbysa/gfdl from a guy on Wikipedia which someone can play around with and edit so that we have a decent district map - Image:Delhi districts.svg. I'm afraid that is about the only contribution I can make here, having never been to India! -- (WT-en) Tim 15:39, 25 January 2007 (EST)

Hi, User:(WT-en) Upamanyuwikitravel here, I'm not signed in currently. I live in New Delhi and after consulting my classmates at school, this is what I came up with.

 * North Delhi (DU, Rohini....)
 * Southwest Delhi (Dwarka, Najafgarh, Vasant Kunj....)
 * South Delhi (Vasant Vihar, Hauz Khas, Green Park, Mehrauli....)
 * Central Delhi (CP, Vijay Chowk, Janpath....)
 * West Delhi (Uttam Nagar, Tilak Nagar, Rajouri Garden.....)
 * Old Delhi (Red Fort, Chandni Chowk, Jama Masjid, Seelampur, Shahdara..)
 * East Delhi (E. bank of Yamuna, Mayur Vihar)

 * Why don't you use the official divisions. Another map here --2.80.101.61 11:11, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

 * It would be great to see Delhi districtified. My suggestion would be to use the official division.  Comments, please, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 12:26, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

 * Dear ClausHansen, User:(WT-en) Upamanyuwikitravel, Jpatokal, (WT-en) Fridday, (WT-en) Majnoona I have district-ify-ed Delhi using the 9 official old districts. Please fell free to share your opinions and comments. I am planning to create new articles for the districts. --Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 17:25, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Users with WT-en in their name are not active here anymore. At least not with those names. No need to ping them. Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:02, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Given the lack of responses, I'd suggest you can plunge forward with your proposed district structure, and if someone objects later on we can revisit. -- Ryan • (talk) • 00:59, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

 * I agree. However, it's important to define the boundaries between the districts, even by notification, rather than discussion, so that maps can be made for each district. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:29, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Delhi vs New Delhi?
Should this article be moved to "Delhi", as the article already seems to cover more than just the strictly defined legal capital? I note that LP's guide is also called simply "Delhi". (WT-en) Jpatokal 20:36, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Bump. I'm going to go ahead and move this in a few days if there are no objections. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:08, 21 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Delhi is the name used for the whole metropolitan area, of which New Delhi is just a part. So, the correct and probably most suitable title for this article is, as you state, "Delhi". (WT-en) WindHorse 10:26, 21 October 2006 (EDT)

 * New Delhi or Luytens Delhi is the area built around 1936 by the Britishers For King Goerge's visit. The walled city is called Old Delhi. If you like more details then these can be provides as I am a resident of Delhi. User:(WT-en) Indergi

accomodation contacts
Accommodation contact details can be found here. -- (WT-en) Tim 11:28, 5 November 2006 (EST) Hotel Ajanta

jama masjid picture
there's a nice pic that someone put a link to of the Jama Masjid in the 'religious buildings' section, but I can't get it to show up here... maybe it needs to be moved to shared? (WT-en) Cacahuate 00:14, 6 November 2006 (EST)
 * Yes. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 05:51, 6 November 2006 (EST)
 * Hmmm, now the link's gone too... maybe you can move the pic and sort it out Ravi? I'm a little retarded with that... (WT-en) Cacahuate 08:49, 6 November 2006 (EST)
 * Sure. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 14:41, 6 November 2006 (EST)
 * Done. Basically, what needed to be done was:
 * Download from German site
 * Upload to shared.
 * Link from here. Now I will leave a message at the German Wikivoyage letting them know that they can delete it from there, as it is no longer needed. Then it is up to the administrators on de. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 19:49, 6 November 2006 (EST)
 * Cool, thanks! (WT-en) Cacahuate 00:06, 7 November 2006 (EST)

history not legend
I have edited the article to remove ahistorical and unproven content. There is no proof except in legend that Delhi existed at all before the 10th century A.D. Further, there is no proof that this is "Indraprastha" of the Mahabharata, except for the fact that a village in Harayana near the borders of Delhi is known by a name which may be a corruption of "Indraprastha" (Inderpath). There is, in fact, no historical proof that "Indraprastha" of the Mahabharata ever existed. There is no historical proof that Prithviraj Chauhan ever defeated Muhamad Ghuri. Further, Razia Sultana was not the grand-daughter of Qutb-ud-din Aibak. Qutb-ud-din Aibak was followed to the Delhi Sultanate by Iltutmish, who was also born a slave and was not a son of Qutb-ud-din Aibak. Similarily, Razia Sultana was not the daughter of Iltutmish but was once again a slave. Hence the name "Slave" dynasty.

 * All the stuff the above poster claims to have deleted is still there or has been restored. Whether or not it is correct, I think there is far too much history given in the current article, far more than a traveller wants or needs to know.

 * This article needs to say Delhi is at least a thousand years old and that major districts include Old Delhi, which is mainly a Mughal city, and New Delhi, mostly built under British rule. I am not convinced anything beyond that is worth mentioning; leave the history to WP. Pashley (talk) 22:43, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Stations
Delhi is not just served by the 3 stations which are listed, there are 3 more
 * Delhi Shahdara
 * Delhi Sarai Rohilla
 * Delhi Cant.(WT-en) Upamanyuwikitravel 03:53, 25 January 2007 (EST)

 * Maybe mention that in the article: Something like: there are 3 other stations in the city, but aren't likely to be used by travelers" - true, no? I've been there many times and never heard of these other 3... (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 05:03, 25 January 2007 (EST)

 * Most of them are used as yards. Just an example, The Mussoorie Exp leaves Sarai Rohilla and stops at Old Delhi Stn for an hour. So most of the passengers board the train at Old Delhi. If you have any doubts, look up Trains At A Glance or check up ww.irctc.co.in

Yeah, we should include something like... ''Delhi is also served by x, y, z stations but aren't likely to be used much. User:(WT-en) Upamanyuwikitravel

 * Today Delhi has 3 Main Railway Stations namely: Old Delhi Railway Station, New Delhi Railway Station and Nizammudin Railway Station from where most fast, express trains start or end. The other stations mentioned like Delhi Cantonment, Shahdra, Sarai Rohilla are not in reckoning today. Slower trains maybe stopping but all fast express trains do not halt or if they do it is just for a minute.User:(WT-en) Indergi

Metro stations for attractions
Metro stations convenient to attractions should be listed in the attraction listings, not on a separate list somewhere else. After all, most people figure out where they want to go first and then worry about how to get there, not the other way around... and in a few years, Delhi's network will (hopefully!) be so dense that you can get pretty much everywhere by metro. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:20, 2 February 2007 (EST)

Will it?? Phase 2 was supposed to be completed by the end of Jan, there's still a long way to go (WT-en) Upamanyuwikitravel 06:16, 5 February 2007 (EST)

 * Phase 1 was supposed to be completed by end-2006, they managed it a few months early. Phase 2 is and has always been scheduled for 2010. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:23, 5 February 2007 (EST)

BAPS
So, BAPS (see the Talk page) is a big, powerful organization that's gotten into some tussles over its involvement in politics in Gujarat (esp. the whole Ayodhya mess), although fanboy Moksha88 actively censors the Wikipedia article too, so you won't see a hint of anything unseemly there. But I'll just apply Jpatokal's Non-Denominational Pan-Religious Cult Yardstick: does the temple have an 11-foot golden statue of its founder? Check -- they're a cult.

And oh yeah: by Indian standards, the food really is pretty bad. Not that you can complain too loudly at the price, which is why I called it just "mediocre". (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:44, 24 February 2007 (EST)

Fishing for Bengalis
This sentence entirely fails to make sense: But fishes don't just come from the ocean; Delhi gets an excellent supply of frehswater fish because of its large Bengali population. Huh? (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:17, 2 March 2007 (EST)

 * I think what the wikivoyager who wrote this means is that although Delhi is not located near any ocean and is well inland, it gets a good supply of fish thanks to its Bong (sorry Bengali) population. Bengalis are extremely fond of fish! (Trust me, I'm one myself) (WT-en) Upamanyuwiki • (Talk) • 11:05, 4 March 2007 (EST)
 * A Bengali or a fish? ;) — (WT-en) Ravikiran 11:17, 4 March 2007 (EST)
 * A Bengali who loves to eat fish provided it is fried! (WT-en) Upamanyuwiki • (Talk) • 05:10, 5 March 2007 (EST)

 * The sentence is messy, but the facts as I know them are that Bengalis prefer freshwater fish. In my limited understanding, not being a Bengali, a fish or a fisheater myself, is that they get their fish from ponds they specially dig to "farm" fish. And from the Hoogly river. So what the sentence was trying to convey is probably that a) Delhi gets freshwater fish from some river (dunno which, the polluted Yamuna is hardly likely to have it.) and b) the demand from Bengalis creates a supply for fish. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 11:17, 4 March 2007 (EST)

 * You got it. But the fish mostly comes from the east or some nearby ponds, the Yamuna has garbage and animal (even human) poo to offer, nothin' else. (WT-en) Upamanyuwiki • (Talk) • 05:10, 5 March 2007 (EST)

Asian Guest House: Stay at your own risk
Agreed, they have a great location. But thats it. They are not going to provide you payment receipts. They will not bother to check if you have been given towels, clean bedsheets, if your bathroom has been cleaned up, if your AC is working, or if you are having hot water. The bathrooms are utterly god-forsaken! the rooms though looking clean at first look are full of dust and mite. The beds creek and the TV remote has no batteries. The Guest House people are good at appeasing the foreign travellers, getting hefty tips and good amount if back-patting for their caninely-affectionate behaviour.

This has been written based upon the stay of 6 different people over 3 different trips from Oct 2006 to March 2007.

The staff is helpful if you are willing to dispense generous amounts of moolah, else you find yourself deciphering the face contortions of a ferociously-paan-chewing 'helpful' man straddling on the bed in one of the cigarette-smoke filled rooms (yes, the room that GUESTS are supposed to stay in) in no mood to even look at you, mutters something and scratches his heels.

the hot water is another myth. for those 15-18 minutes you can get it.... make sure your neighbours are still asleep... or are the dirty types who dont bathe at all, for one faucet on with hot water, makes next door residents prance about in towels wrapped searching for bell-boys who only show up at all odd hours.

Its also not very safe living here. If you are a woman travelling alone be cafreful.

its pathetic. please, please, please dont be stingy, select a good hotel and live in peace. Your health and comfort are more important than the money you could save for a big mac fatty burger, or a fake set of INDIAN artefacts. If you cant afford a good hotel, stay in the YMCA hostel, yatri - nivas indian railways or better in a delhi tourism accomodation. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 61.2.186.78 (talk • contribs)

 * I would recommend The Imperial for your future stays... it's slightly nicer :)   – (WT-en) cacahuate   talk 01:43, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

 * If it is that bad then it should be removed from the listing. The listing is supposed to be a short list of recommended places. Unless there is specific reason to warn people off. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 02:25, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

 * It is really so bad that people should be warned about it. I went to make my latest reservation with wikivoyages "recommendation". Never again! One night I was *really* surprised to find monkeys living just outside my room, behind the room windows. Check: http://www.damicon.fi/~joha/photo/tmpjoo/asianguesthousen-apinat.jpg - (WT-en) Joha

 * Wild monkeys are very common in Delhi. The city is a zoo, just be glad it wasn't, say, rats, pigs or elephants. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:26, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

Ajanta Guesthouse
So have they drastically risen their rates? The most current LP says singles are Rs350 and doubles are Rs450. Having just come back from India, I know that using the LP I can almost always get the price listed in the current book, and sometimes even less, so I find it hard to believe that Ajanta's cheapest room is now Rs 1000, unless they've just remodeled or gone crazy... or thought you were filthy rich and you didn't try to bargain... so can you explain please? For the record when I've quoted prices throughout the India pages I've put what I know the price can be bargained down to, not necessarily the first price they quote... otherwise you're just helping to feed inflation and satisfying the greed of the hotel owners who'll just continue to ask higher and higher prices... Thanks! – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 23:29, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

 * I dont know about rising prices but I checked the prices for wikivoyage from their own website at: http://www.hotelajanta.com/tariff.htm. Please note prices without TAX as usual in Delhi. (WT-en) Joha

 * Great, thanks for commenting. I changed the price in the article back to "Singles from Rs1000", and moved it to Mid-range. Sounds like they've renovated since LP was last there, the pictures looked pretty nice on their website. Thanks again! – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 17:27, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Well the building and two rooms I was given didnt look renovated lately. I would say they have triple prices compared to neighbouring similar hotels at the same street. Also Asian Guest House website looks very nice compared to their premises. :-). (WT-en) Joha

 * I have stayed there like 2 weeks ago (July 2008) and I was able to store my luggage there, they had renovated the hotel and the stuff was actually quite helpful (sometimes a bit confused, but always helpful).

Quila Rai Pithora
The dates are inconsistent. The article puts the building of the city at during the 10th century and then says that it was created by Prithviraj Chauhan, a late 12th century king. I'm not sure which is correct (that the city was built in the 10th century or that it was built by chauhan in the 12th century) but have modified it assuming that Chauhan, not known as a great builder, inheritied the city rather than built it. The original text is:

 * This dates back to the 10th century A.D. as per available historical records. Also earlier known as Rai Pithora, this city was created by Prithviraj Chauhan, the local hero famous for his resisting, before finally losing to, the marauding invaders from central Asia (Muhammad Ghori in particular). Chauhan's ancestors are said to have captured the city from the Tomar Rajputs who were credited with founding Delhi. Anangpal, a Tomar ruler possibly created the first known regular fort here called 'Lal Kot', which was taken over by Prithviraj and the city extended. Some of the ruins of the fort ramparts are still visible around Qutab Minar and Mehrauli

Someone needs to check the dates.--(WT-en) Wandering 12:01, 8 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Or one could ignore the question, as not particularly relevant to the traveler. :) - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 15:12, 8 June 2007 (EDT)

Wisely said. Solomonic. ;-).--(WT-en) Wandering 15:17, 8 June 2007 (EDT)

Akshardham temple.
Seems a bit odd for this to be the first image on the Delhi page. The Red Fort or the Qutab Minar would seem to be more emblematic. Or, is there no 'first photo' policy in wikivoyage? Don't want to step on any toes otherwise I'd just add a picture on top (I have some nice ones of the Qutub in my old print library!).--(WT-en) Wandering 16:43, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Alternate suggestions are welcome. There's quite a few other pics in the article itself below... (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:51, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

 * I thought the same thing a couple days ago. I almost swapped it with the Lahore Gate pic below, but stopped since it's a little smoggier. But then, that's the reality... a blue sky and puffy white cloud pic of the red fort would be nice, but oh so misleading ;)  Anyhow, I vote for a red fort pic – (WT-en) cacahuate   talk 00:07, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

 * I'm going to replace Akshardham with the Lahore Gate pix in the article. With the perfectly centered Indian flag, it seems appropriate.--(WT-en) Wandering 14:24, 4 September 2007 (EDT)

 * I shoved it in. But, do wander (wonder) if the image can be stretched across the top of the page. Shorter, but wider. Does the wikivoyage markup language allow for that or is px the only way to go?--(WT-en) Wandering 14:36, 4 September 2007 (EDT)

 * Pictures should be no wider than 400px, as the screen sizes of Wikivoyage users vary widely. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:14, 5 September 2007 (EDT)

Turquoise Cottage/The Other Side
TC/TOS have indeed been sealed, but Delhi being Delhi, I'm hoping this is only temporary so I'm rescuing the listings here, just in case they reopen again (legally or otherwise...).

 * Turquoise Cottage, 81/3 Adhchini, Sri Aurobindo Marg, South Delhi, tel. 011-2685-3896, . True to the name, the decor is turquoise and stylishly rustic, but the food is Thai-Chinese and, while somewhat adapted to Indian tastes, quite tasty.  Also check out the popular The Other Side bar downstairs.   Reservations recommended.  Rs. 500.
 * The Other Side, 81/3 Adhchini (basement of Turquoise Cottage), Sri Aurobindo Marg, tel. 011-2685-396. Smoky brick-walled basement covered with Western memorabilia.  Eclectic music with an emphasis on rock (expect anything from Beatles to AC/DC) and a good crowd, especially on Wednesday's media nights. Rs. 500 minimum for drinks and food, couples only.

 * Looks like they are, so back in they go. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:32, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

Anand Vihar
Anand Vihar (code ANVR) is Delhi's newest station, located well to the east of the city near Noida. Repeatedly delayed, the station finally opened in December 2009 and will gradually take over all east-bound services. The station can be reached by Delhi Metro Line 3.

Please check, it might be Line 5

This article... (2)
is full of it. I was in Delhi last week. I am a seasoned traveller, have been to several developing countries in the region and elsewhere, and thought Delhi was a dirty, yucky place. This paragraph:

Take a walk at Connaught Place (CP), the heart of New Delhi. It is now called Rajiv Chowk. The British-designed colonial equivalent of a shopping mall, it's laid out in two concentric rings divided into blocks, all bursting with shops and lots of pampered pigeons waddling about. Long neglected, the area received a major shot in the arm after the opening of the major Metro junction of Rajiv Chowk under it, and it's going more upmarket by the day. At the centre is a small but pleasant park, while on one edge is the notorious Palika Bazaar, an underground den of cheap wares, many pirated or smuggled from overseas. The area is surrounded by tall office buildings on nearly all sides. Train fans will want to check out the Metro Museum inside the (Patel Chowk) station, open 10 AM-4 PM Tue-Sun (free with valid Metro ticket). Quite simply the best place to hang out!

Is laughable. I don't know how much of it is "commonwealth games construction", but Connaught Place has huge holes everywhere, falling apart buildings, is dark, dirty, and not a place I'd want to hang out during the night or day.

The main backpacker area, Paharganj, looks like a war zone. The buildings are crumbling, there's no front facade on any of them, the alleys are dark, dirty, filled with cows eating garbage, piles of shit and swarms of flies. The "main bazaar" is not a place to wonder at night, and during the day it's just a useless dirty place. That whole area has little to no visible nightlife, and I wouldn't choose to stay there again. There are maybe 2 viable places to eat in the whole area for people avoiding street food. I don't know what it used to look like, but I know what it looked like in early August 2010, which was like a crumbling war zone.

Chandni Chowk is certainly an experience of twisting alleys and tiny shops, but I'd add it's quite dirty and dangerous looking at night. There's sometimes 3 lanes of traffic in this tiny muddy alley, and I was hit twice by cycle rickshaws, even though I stayed completely on the edge of the road. The message about "great snacks to be found" does not mention that it's unhygienic street food that casual travellers trying to avoid disease would/should not eat.

This whole article is positive and promotional-sounding, whereas I found Delhi to be the worst part of my India trip, and would recommend people not fly into there if it can be avoided. Kolkata was a much more developed city, even though the wikivoyage article describes it as a "shock". —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Optimike (talk • contribs)

 * Meh. Sure, Delhi looks like a shithole, but so does most of India, and I wouldn't walk around any Indian city late at night.  Connaught Place is currently (again...) torn to shreds by the Metro construction, but it's scheduled to end this very month (Sep 2010).  And yes, Old Delhi and Paharganj look like slums, which is pretty much what they are.   For some odd reason Old Delhi isn't really covered at all in this article, but there is an embryonic Footloose in Old Delhi walking tour.

 * And oh -- it's a wiki. If you think something is inaccurate, plunge forward and change it instead of bitching here!  Indian articles, in particular, are regularly sanitized by easily offended locals who think not writing about open sewers, terrible weather or people pissing in public will magically make visitors not notice them on arrival. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:26, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

I wouldn't walk around any Indian city late at night
And why is that? It's not that Indian cities (except Delhi) are very unsafe at night. And Chandni Chowk, in fact, is one of the safer areas in Delhi. It's perfectly safe to walk around Calcutta/Kolkata or Chennai at night... (WT-en) Upamanyuwikitravel • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 05:39, 26 November 2010 (EST)

 * Crime is one thing, but it's scary enough being a pedestrian in Indian cities during the day. Trying to steer your way through cow poop, open sewers and homicidal autorickshaws at night on foot is not a wise idea... (WT-en) Jpatokal 19:14, 26 November 2010 (EST)

 * Well yes hard to disagree.... but believe me, autos are more homicidal during the day :) (WT-en) Upamanyuwikitravel • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 09:40, 27 November 2010 (EST)

To Optimike: Calcutta is certainly NOT more developed or cleaner than Delhi. It is pretty much considered to be the filthiest and most underdeveloped of all the major cities in India. I personally prefer Cal to Delhi, but that's a different matter altogether. And from a tourist's POV, Delhi is probably a much better place to visit than Cal as it has got more historical monuments (including 3 UNESCO sites), has a much better metro system, and is more well connected. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikitravel • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 05:46, 26 November 2010 (EST)

Am I blind-Delhi districts?
Am I blind that there are no districts for Delhi? I saw the hugecity template, but I can't find the districts and it doesn't seem to be any (searched and checked the history of the guide). Can someone far more familiar than I with Delhi (I only know where the city is on a map) figure out how to add districts? I'll help with the cleaning up of the articles. -- Sapphire (talk) 21:54, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this is a pretty long article. Is it time to districtify? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:22, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

 * I'd say yes. New Delhi and Old Delhi seem like obvious districts to me; I'm not at all sure about the rest. See also next section.

 * Should Gurgaon be included as a suburb? My guess is no, since it is across a provincial border, but I'd say it needs a fairly prominent link and some discussion since it is one of the main places in India where foreigners might find employment. Pashley (talk) 09:46, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Why isn't there a New Delhi article on Engvoy?
I noticed that articles about New Delhi do exist in other editions of Wikivoyage but not in the English edition. What is the reason we chose not to have an article for New Delhi? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 17:10, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The relevant discussion is at Talk:Delhi. -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:15, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, Delhi is an important enough city and a long enough article that perhaps it's time to think about districtifying it. When and if that happens, New Delhi could certainly be created as a district article. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:39, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

 * I agree. Likely this would be worth raising at India Expedition. Pashley (talk) 20:04, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Seems very odd not to have an article on the national capital. Powers (talk) 20:53, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * ...unless dealing with something like Montserrat. K7L (talk) 22:28, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, the article on Nauru's capital Yaren is a redirect. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:31, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, yes, sorry. A national capital for a country with a billion residents, then.  Powers (talk) 15:36, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Which Wikivoyager/s do you recommend contacting whom might be willing/capable of districtifying the Delhi article? (are there any specific users you know of whom have done many similar tasks before?) ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:15, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

 * I don't know that we're in particular need of anyone with local knowledge: the article already has an Orientation section complete with a districts map, and there's probably enough content in the article that we can simply divide the listings up geographically. That being the case, probably any number of our more seasoned contributors could take care of it. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:31, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

 * I understand. I didn't mean that I was looking for a local expert, but rather a Wikivoyage expert whom has districtifyed many other huge city articles before. Unfortunately I am still not really sure whom would be able to help me districtify the Delhi article. Can you name a few Wikivoyage experts you think would be capable and willing of helping me do this? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 17:00, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

 * New Delhi is a part of Delhi. It is like Manhattan or City of London. In the long-term, it and Old Delhi should have its own article as it seems that the districts of all major cities in the world can have their own article on wikivoyage. Delhi itself is also a varied place to travel. DaGizza (talk) 03:26, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

 * ויקיג'אנקי, your best bet is to start a discussion at Talk:Delhi, if you haven't already done so. Presuming that we go with the districts already shown on the map AndreCarrotflower alludes to, all that's necessary is to decide on the borders of the districts, so I'd suggest that borders be the place to start the discussion, assuming you do agree with the districts on the map. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:43, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

 * I had always read New Delhi was more akin to Washington DC in the US; a separate territory from the rest, not just a city district. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 10:33, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

 * There is a National Capital Territory of Delhi, not a separate Federal district of only New Delhi. From Delhi:

 * Delhi (/ˈdɛli/, Hindustani pronunciation: [d̪ɪlliː] Dilli ), also known as the National Capital Territory of India is the capital of India.

 * Also see New Delhi:

 * New Delhi Listeni/ˈnjuː dɛli/ is the capital of India and seat of the executive, legislative, and judiciary branches of the Government of India. It is also the centre of the Government of the National Capital Territory of Delhi. New Delhi is situated within the metropolis of Delhi and is one of the eleven districts of Delhi National Capital Territory.

 * So New Delhi is a municipality, but it's one of 11 districts of Delhi - maybe the situation is more akin to Los Angeles being widely identified with Los Angeles County, not just the city, which excludes a bunch of small municipalities like Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, Glendale, and El Segundo, rather than Washington, DC, which is loosely described as including a bunch of neighboring areas of Maryland and Virginia but clearly understood as technically meaning only the district itself, which is coterminous with the city. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:59, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Officially Delhi have 9 districts but from a traveller point of view, we don't need to districtify Delhi article into those 9. I wouldn't prefer to districtify the article based on orientation mentioned in the article because I believe it is of no good use from a traveller point of view. This case reminds of of Karachi districtification. I spent months districtifying Karachi based on official 5 districts but at the end, I found them all useless from a traveller point of view. Today, Karachi — one of the world's most populous city — have no district at all on WV. Anyways, I think we need local expert who can suggest districtification. --Saqib (talk) 14:16, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * In any event, there's a consensus on Wikivoyage that ttcf trumps official municipality boundaries, so even if New Delhi is politically a separate entity from the rest of Delhi, that alone does not justify it getting a separate article. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:51, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It is actually more important for Old Delhi to have a separate article before New Delhi. Old Delhi is a distinct cultural and historical area from a general perspective and travelling perspective. The markets are different. The people living and working there are different. Even the forms of transport are different due to narrower roads. DaGizza (talk) 00:14, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Districts
Politically Delhi had nine districts until September 2012. Now it has 11. See this news article for more information on the increase in districts. . For a city of Delhi's size, 11 districts may be the way to go although note that these districts don't include the Greater Delhi/NCR region. From a travel perspective, some of the administrative divisions make sense like New Delhi. The others don't really matter. Some of the districts are residential non-touristy areas, at best interesting if you want to see how the locals live. Also I don't think Wikimedia Commons has an 11 district map yet. Gizza (t)(c) 10:57, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

 * DaGizza, do you have any feelings about what districts we should use on WV? I don't know Delhi well enough to express an opinion - except that this city needs to be districted, with all listings moved to the appropriate district article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:15, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

 * I'd like the list to include the few names in the area that I recognise: New Delhi, Old Delhi and Noida. Perhaps Guragaon though I think that is technically not part of Delhi, so perhaps it should just get a link.
 * For Old Delhi, that should be the district name; if Central Delhi is needed at all, it should be a redirect.Pashley (talk) 13:28, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

 * The map in this link http://www.mapsofindia.com/delhi/districts/ can be used as a rough guide. With a city population of over 16 million and urban area population of more than 24 million, Delhi should be able to have 11 core districts and further outer NCR districts including Gurgaon. There are much smaller cities with even more districts than that. Some of the districts will be off the beaten track but that's the case with all cities. Connaught place can also be split off from the rest of New Delhi (bumping the number to 12) since it is the main central business district/downtown area for the city. Gizza ( roam ) 00:35, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

 * The districtification seems to have come to a standstill. ϒpsilon (talk) 07:20, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and districtified a couple months back, without ever thinking to look at the talk page, which I just happened to see now. We can discuss what I did if you guys want :) Ar2332 (talk) 21:01, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'd just note that there are still a good number of "Eat" and "Drink" listings that need to be moved out of this article into the district articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:12, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I know, but I have no idea which district they are in and it would be too much work to find out. Ar2332 (talk) 07:37, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Tours
I'm not sure if these listings comply with our tour guidelines. I think the best I can do for now is to archive them in the talk page, and let this discussion take place. Ibaman (talk) 13:32, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Natural History Museum
This museum had a catastrophic fire recently so someone deleted the listing. OK, but it seemed worth preserving here in case it is rebuilt. Pashley (talk) 21:12, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * That is terrible news - thanks for preserving the see listing... Matroc (talk) 22:22, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * That is terrible news - thanks for preserving the see listing... Matroc (talk) 22:22, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

The airport listing has a weird rogue '
And I can neither see it in the source text nor seem to get rid of it. Anybody any idea what's happening here? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:14, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * No idea. I tried and failed to get rid of it a couple months ago. Ar2332 (talk) 21:03, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I think we might wanna raise the issue in the pub Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:17, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I just realized this would work well as a marker, rather than a listing. So I changed it to a marker and the issue is gone. I guess there is a problem with putting IATA listings in middle of a listing. Ar2332 (talk) 21:49, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Maybe there is. Maybe it was something else entirely. At any rate, have a look here as this was what brought my attention here in the first place. Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:56, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Dynamic city map
There's a nice static regions map. Why is there a dynamic map above it? It's of historical precedents for Delhi? Then maybe it should be in "Understand", though it would be much better to have the names in the map than a dynamic map, if the point is to indicate history at a glance. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:58, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Historical precedents (many of which are modern tourist sites), intercity bus/train stations, airport, main tourist office - there's lots of dynamic stuff which is relevant on a city wide level. Ar2332 (talk) 07:58, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * But it doesn't look good right above the static district map, especially without a caption explaining why it's there. Also, on Wikivoyage, the history is that articles such as those for districted cities, which have static maps, don't also have dynamic maps. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:51, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I haven't changed my mind in over 3 years. Would anyone like to argue in favor of keeping the dynamic map, or shall I remove it? A third option would be to center it on South Delhi and move it to the top of "Understand". Any votes for that? Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:12, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I prefer the static map of the two. IMO it would make more sense for district articles, with more specific information such as markers/listings, to be included in district articles. We could include the dynamic map in “Understand,” though, since it doesn’t seem right to remove the dynamic map from the article completely. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 01:51, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm OK with that if that's what people support. I'll have to experiment with how to get the move to work. I'll wait at least 24 hours for more comments. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:54, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Air pollution
Do we need a warning?

NY Times: Delhi, Blanketed in Toxic Haze, ‘Has Become a Gas Chamber’ CNN: Delhi pollution crisis prompts city-wide emergency measures Pashley (talk) 00:04, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

 * Yes, absolutely. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:20, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

 * I added a brief warning. It could likely be improved.
 * This story says the problem is getting worse. Pashley (talk) 22:19, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

 * A few sentences can be added to "Stay healthy" too. It's seasonal in that November is the worst month of the year but the long-term trends are for it to get worse every year. Gizza ( roam ) 00:03, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Medical tourism
I reverted this edit, but is it worth mentioning anything about Delhi as a destination for medical tourism? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:12, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

 * What exactly did the contributor mean by "medical tourism"? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 01:35, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

 * There's a Wikipedia article about Medical tourism. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:15, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

 * I see. So it's about going somewhere for surgery. I'd think any big city would have some medical tourism, then. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 03:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Some more than others, because of a combination of good surgical teams, low cost and good care while in hospital. When the term "medical tourism" is used, it nowadays usually refers to international medical tourism, e.g. a trip to Singapore for a sex change, to the Philippines for dental work, etc. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:38, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

 * I wouldn't have thought of Delhi as being a medical tourism destination. I think it would largely depend on whether people go into Delhi from outside India for surgery, etc. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 03:43, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Right. I think India is an international medical tourism destination. Another selling point of India for English-speakers is that educated Indians such as doctors speak excellent English. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:59, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

 * There is now a WV Medical tourism article. Pashley (talk) 00:55, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Chinese guests banned from Delhi hotels
Article today in the South China Morning Post: Chinese guests banned from hotels in India’s capital after border clash

Should we place a warning about this in the Sleep section? STW932 (talk) 12:50, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

 * Due to the pandemic, India doesn't let in foreign visitors in the first place so I don't think it's necessary to add right now. But if this policy still persists in the future, then I think we could add a warning (maybe to the main India article too?) --Ypsilon (talk) 18:08, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * A warning refers to immediate danger to one’s life and limb. Unless that is the case, I think at most we should be considering a cautionbox. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 18:30, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

 * Not necessarily a warning box but just a warning, ie. a paragraph describing the problem. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:43, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, that makes sense! Definitely that would be appropriate when the situation becomes clearer after the pandemic. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 23:04, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Too much negative reviews?
While contributing on the Kolkata article while scrolling through the Delhi article, I found that there are too much negative reviews about several things, including its pollution, potentially discouraging the travellers to visit this city. However, Wikivoyage states that we should avoid negative reviews. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 18:29, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

 * There shouldn't be unnecessary listings of restaurants, bars and hotels that deserve negative reviews, but per Be fair, if a city has horrible pollution, we need to mention it. Leaving out important information that could be crucial to making a decision about whether to even visit a city or not would make us derelict in our duty. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:49, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Of course but I don't think repeating the same thing throughout the article might make sense. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 04:30, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Change district names
The names of Wikivoyage districts of Delhi like Delhi/Western Delhi are discouraged by Naming conventions, which states: "don't repeat the name of the city unless it's offical. Amsterdam/East is as clear as and much shorter than "Amsterdam/East Amsterdam"."

Since most of our districts don't correspond to official districts, we should change all the district names from "Delhi/X Delhi" to "Delhi/X" except Delhi/New Delhi, which is the official name. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 04:28, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

 * Six days passed and no one responded to this discussion. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 04:59, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I know I'm a bit late to the discussions and I'm aware this goes against the guideline, but I'd say keep the district names as they are. The policy was written back during the times of Wikitravel back when the MediaWiki software was radically different, but using the shorter names messes up with and therefore messes up with stbox (notice how Los Angeles/Northwest or Vancouver/South have awkward phrases but Delhi/Western Delhi or Canberra/North Canberra don't).  SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 11:26, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what the problem is. Could you explain further? Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:01, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * if you are concerned with the naming convention of city districts, please discuss the issue on the talk page of the convention, not here. Until that issue is sorted out, we have to follow that convention unless the district name is official. We would also have to resort on workarounds. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 05:35, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Altering the section order
I've altered the order of the sections to comply with Huge city article template. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 04:58, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Destination of the month?
Is Delhi ready to become Dotm? Or is something missing? /Yvwv (talk) 16:19, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

 * A lot of work is needed to do so. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 05:35, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Eat listings from the guide
Move these to the appropriate district, if they're still in business and you know which article they belong in:

Budget

 * Andhra Pradesh Bhavan Canteen, Ashok Road (near Man Singh Road). Open for lunch and dinner this is a favorite of local Delhi foodies who are looking for an authentic Andhra meal. They serve all you can eat veg/non-veg thalis for ₹ 80-150. For carnivores, you have a variety of non-veg options (chicken/fish/mutton) but the mutton fry is recommended. The service is quick and efficient (slipshod and aggressive), and the joint crowded and noisy. Another favorite is the Karnataka Bhavan canteen beside Ansal Plaza near Mool Chand offering all possible South India food.
 * Bitto Tikki Wala, (also known as BTW), Netaji Subhash Place, Pitampura. The best aloo tikki (potato and vegetable burger) available in town. It has a branch in Sarita Vihar, Near Apollo Hospital and Badarpur border. It has branches all over the city now, in shopping areas.
 * Nangarg, Rajgur Marg Road (side road off of Main Bazaar), Paharganj. A really good hole-in-the-wall restaurant that serves vegetarian and non-vegetarian food for about ₹ 60. The workers there are genuinely good people, which can be hard to find in this area. You'll have more luck finding a sign that says "Veg-Nonveg" than their actual restaurant sign.

Mid-range
You will find McDonalds, KFC, Subway and Pizza Hut in malls and throughout the city. The Indian menu without beef and with lots of veggie options can be interesting even if you would otherwise steer clear.

Splurge

 * Bukhara, Maurya Sheraton, Regularly tops the charts as India's best restaurant (and certainly among the priciest), the roast lamb and the Bukhara Dal here are renowned. Always make reservations or be ready to stand in a queue for about 2 hr. From ₹2,000.
 * Naivedyam, East Patel Nagar, (opposite Jaypee Siddharth Hotel), Offers quality South Indian meals and service at great prices.
 * Punjabi by Nature, Rajouri Garden, MGF City Square Mall (Lifestyle). One of Delhi's best-known Punjabi restaurants. ₹800 or so, more if you order seafood.
 * Punjabi by Nature, Rajouri Garden, MGF City Square Mall (Lifestyle). One of Delhi's best-known Punjabi restaurants. ₹800 or so, more if you order seafood.

Barbeque/grills

 * Pirates of Grills, C-12, Vishal Enclave, Rajouri Garden, ('Rajouri Garden metro'). Same concept as Barbeque Nation, Janakpuri, Western Delhi

Thai
Delhiites have eagerly adopted Thai food into their culinary pantheon, although the recipes and ingredients are often rather Indianised.

Chinese
Chinese is Delhi's most popular non-Indian cuisine. For a long time, only Indianised Chinese was available, but high-quality options are available today.

 * Mainland China, Vishal Enclave, Rajouri Garden metro station. Oriental/Chinese cuisine. Other branches at Greater Kailash 2 and Saket
 * Nan King, Chinese food in a nice location with a private lounge. Good for groups or a special occasion.
 * Rice Bowl 18/31 East Patel Nagar Market, New Delhi – Chinese/Oriental food.

Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC) Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Drink listings from the article
Moved here on the same basis as the "Eat" listings - move to district. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:44, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Coffee and tea

 * Independent coffee shops are harder to find in Delhi, but they exist, and are worth seeking out.
 * moved to Delhi/Central Delhi
 * moved to Delhi/Central Delhi

Hookah/sheesha
Indian bar food, hookah and an amazing lounge experience. The crowd that frequents these two places is young, hip and trendy.

 * moved to Delhi/New Delhi
 * Toast by Lazeez Affaire, Rajouri Garden, West Gate Mall (level III). Great collection of flavored tobacco sheesha, and drinks, international food, Greek, French, pan European and Indian cuisines.
 * Mocha, Defense Colony.

Bars and nightclubs

 * Aqua, Poolside bar at the Park Hotel (close to Connaught Place), has a lounge atmosphere and an extensive drinks list.
 * Aura, (at the Claridges).
 * Decibel, Chanakyapuri. One of two clubs in the Samrath Hotel next to the Ashok Hotel. ₹500 entrance fee. moved to Delhi/New Delhi
 * F Bar & Lounge (by Fashion TV), Chanakyapuri. (in the Hotel Ashok). Trendy bar and night club.). Cover charge is redeemable against drinks. F Sa is ₹3,000, free on d before 10PM. moved to Delhi/New Delhi
 * IndoChine's Forbidden City, South Delhi (Lado Sarai, adjacent to Qutab Golf Course). Singapore chain that opened in Delhi in 2007. Madame Butterfly restaurant upstairs serves very good Chinese food. The BarSaVanh loungebar is downstairs, very cool ambience outside. Meal for two around ₹3,000.
 * Manre, Bar/lounge, Saket Market, City Mall. Open bar on Thursday for ₹800.
 * Orange, (Ashoka Hotel). Nightclub.
 * Shalom, N-block market, GK-1. Cool Mediterranean-themed lounge bar/restaurant with chill-out music.
 * T.L.R., 31 Hauz Khas Village. Delhi's cozy, arty refuge for tourists, expats and locals comes alive in the evenings. Live bands, DJ nights and pub quiz.
 * Toast, Bar & Grill by Lazeez Affaire, Rajouri Garden, West Gate Mall (Level III). Flavored tobacco sheesha, drinks, international food, Greek, French, pan-European and Indian cuisines.
 * Urban Pind/Bar/Cafe, Greater Kailash I (GK-1), block N, number 4. Bar/lounge on 3 floors. Regular events like Salsa, open bar for ₹ 720, electro night, great expat nights.
 * Xes Cafe, Saket, DLF South Court Mall. A the quintessential coffee shop. Good food with an eclectic bar menu. Loud music.
 * Urban Pind/Bar/Cafe, Greater Kailash I (GK-1), block N, number 4. Bar/lounge on 3 floors. Regular events like Salsa, open bar for ₹ 720, electro night, great expat nights.
 * Xes Cafe, Saket, DLF South Court Mall. A the quintessential coffee shop. Good food with an eclectic bar menu. Loud music.

Gay and lesbian
Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:44, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Amigo, Bar
 * Peppers, Bar.

Please unbunch the images
That's the next step. We don't want a bunch of listings for restaurants and bars to be needed in order to keep all relevant photos in those sections. Note the Image policy advice as follows: "Images should be distributed throughout an article, not bunched up in any section." Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:47, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Redefining Central Delhi and New Delhi
Due to the excessive number of "See" listings in Delhi/Central Delhi and Delhi/New Delhi, I think the borders of the two districts should be redefined for the purpose of Wikivoyage. Since Delhi/Western Delhi has far fewer "See and do" listings, I think Civil Lines tehsil (i.e. the northern panhandle of Central Delhi) should be included under Western Delhi and not Central Delhi. I have already consolidated some nearby listings under one bullet (Red Fort, Raj Ghat etc.) but the problem persists. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 16:22, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

 * Delhi/South Delhi and Delhi/South East Delhi are also suffering from the same problem. For South Delhi, I think there should be a separate district for Mehrauli since there are multiple significant "See" listings, too significant to be consolidated into few. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 17:14, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * After testing at the sandbox (using Preview mode without saving), the boundaries of Wikivoyage districts of Delhi will be the following (tehsil-wise or district-wise):
 * Central Delhi - Central Delhi district (excluding Civil Lines tehsil)
 * Eastern Delhi - East Delhi district, North East Delhi district and Shahdara district
 * Mehrauli - Mehrauli tehsil
 * New Delhi - Chanakya Puri tehsil
 * South Delhi - South Delhi district (excluding Mehrauli tehsil)
 * South East Delhi - South East Delhi district
 * Western Delhi - New Delhi district (excluding Chanakya Puri tehsil), North Delhi district, North West Delhi district, South West Delhi district and West Delhi district
 * Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 17:41, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

 * I'd be happy to give you carte blanche to do what you think best, but maybe wait a day or two to see whether anyone has any specific comments. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:29, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

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There's a nice list of restaurants at http://www.villadelrio.com/restaurants.htm that's ripe for some data-mining. --(WT-en) Evan 23:16, 30 October 2006 (EST)

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I have built out the basics for Delta to make this a usable guide. But if you are a local or simply an interested traveler, please plunge forward and make this article grow! (WT-en) WineCountryInn 15:20, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Query
5,180 yards is not (457 m). More like 4570 metres. WereSpielChequers (talk) 07:37, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That looks like an obvious transcription error. If you know or have a reason to believe one of these figures is correct, please edit the other one accordingly. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:22, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

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This seems like a further level of regionalisation of Venezuela? If so, this article should be correctly breadcrumbed to the existing structure. I guess it is part of Guayana? --(WT-en) Burmesedays 04:54, 30 January 2010 (EST)

Delta Amacuro is an state, Guayana is part of Bolivar State, thats why I put this region, if you think is not correct please let me know

 * I have left a lot of messages on your talk page which are relevant to that point. Have you not seen those? I repeat again that you should look at and understand the existing regional structure we have for Venezuela. There you will see that Guayana is a top level region of the country. If you propose splitting that region further into states (eg Delta Amacuro, then that should really be discussed first on the Venezuela talk page. There are also other important messages on your page regarding copyright and other matters. Please attend to these. Thanks very much. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:33, 30 January 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Delta Works

VFD Discussion
This article is not about a destination nor a region but rather about 17 individual attractions, which to me makes it a non-article, plus those attraction are spread out over a 90km-diameter area that crosses parts of both Southern and Western Netherlands. I suggest that we should tell about the individual attractions in the articles of whatever cities they are likely to be visited from, and put a blurb or infobox in the country article to give the general info, and then redirect this article there.

 * Merge and redirect - (WT-en) texugo 08:30, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
 * Geez, that's a truely bold and unfriendly step, when a new but regular user is working on something :S A note on the talk page or some normal discussion first would have been a lot less discouraging. I was expanding this existing article after a discussion Globe-trotter and I had on Talk:Netherlands. Although the full Delta works contain dikes and sluices across a larger area, it's not at all 17 individual attractions. Neeltje Jans park is the main informations centre, and Haringvlietdam, Maeslantkering, Westerscheldetunnel and Oosterscheldekering are the only ones that have any kind of visitor's facilities, the others are just dams. Individually, they are simply uninteresting. Splitting up the Delta works into individual mentions in village-articles would show an absolute lack of understanding of what this is and what makes it interesting. It would be of very limited use for travellers. However, I'm quite done so do whatever fits the rules. (WT-en) Justme 09:13, 30 August 2011 (EDT)

 * Agree with Justme, a pretty harsh way to deal with this as we were trying to get the article in a better shape. A discussion on the Talk page would have been a better. Anyway, it's not 17 individual attractions, you can't visit most of them. For visitors, the Delta Works are centered around the Eastern Scheldt storm surge barrier and the Neeltje Jans park that comes along with it. There is also a visitor's centre at the Haringvliet. These have significance for travelers interested in technological achievements, and separately are just dams. Only taken together it could be an interesting story to read and have relevance to the traveler. I think something in the line of this article could at least be written somehow, if it's not in this form, then as a travel topic. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:40, 30 August 2011 (EDT)

 * Wait and see. As the joint architects of this article are a WT veteran with many thousands of excellent edits to his name, and a relative newcomer who has already done lots of very good work, I would like to see where they are going with this idea.--(WT-en) burmesedays 11:19, 30 August 2011 (EDT)

 * Oh come on guys, VfD isn't about feelings-- I don't doubt that the information itself is useful and will definitely fit in somewhere; I'm just suggesting that this isn't the way to do it, and I'm putting it here because this is where everyone else will see it. On the talk page there, only those working on the article are likely to see it and I'd like to see a broader take on this. It definitely shouldn't be a destination/region page of its own, as it's never going to have significant Buy/Eat/Drink/Sleep/Contact/Get out sections. If it is, or parts of it are, indeed an actual park, maybe it should be treated that way, or perhaps if there is actually enough to say about it to make a sort of travel topic or even an itinerary (are people actually likely to make a point to visit more than a couple of these things?), that could potentially be ok too. What I am suggesting is that, as poorly as it fits our hierarchy and as little info as it has, it could probably be covered in country, region, or destination articles that already exist. I do think it could "be an interesting story to read"-- in an infobox in the main country article. What we have so far would totally fit there, so don't take this as some mean-spirited jab. (WT-en) texugo 11:59, 30 August 2011 (EDT)

 * It would be way too much content for the country article. The Netherlands See section already has information about the Dutch' fight against the sea. Adding all this info there would overcrowd that article big time, and would be unhelpful, as its not general information about the Netherlands. Pretty much every guidebook to the Netherlands writes about it this way, I wouldn't know why it has to be different on Wikivoyage. If you have suggestions on how to deal with this, I'm open for it, but adding each dam to some random nearby village would not make any sense as its the overall project that's interesting, not each individual dam. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 14:38, 30 August 2011 (EDT)

 * Again, I said what we have so far would fit there. I wouldn't expect a travel guide to go into nearly as much detail as Wikipedia regarding the engineering, chronology, operational details, commissioning, and conceptual framework, and the Wikipedia article isn't even that long. I'm also supposing it's not necessary to give much info on anything that can't be visited anyway. If, however, there actually is so much more to say about it, I'd urge you to retool this as a travel topic, since there isn't really going to be much to fill Buy/Eat/Drink/Sleep/Contact/Get out that won't fit into actual destination articles, and since it is geographically spotty. (WT-en) texugo 22:09, 30 August 2011 (EDT)

 * Keep It seems like a legitimate itinerary article or travel topic to me. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 11:17, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

 * Keep. Interesting article. It may be better worked as a travel topic, owing to its complex geography, but that is an issue properly worked out on the article talk page, not here. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:19, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

 * Keep. (WT-en) Pashley 21:38, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

 * Keep. Changing it to an itinerary article of travel topic seems a good idea. (WT-en) WallyTheWalrus 08:33, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

Result: Kept. -- (WT-en) wrh2 16:16, 8 October 2011 (EDT)

title: Talk:Delta Works


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Talk:Democratic Republic of the Congo

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Democratic Republic of the Congo/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.

Regions
I'm moving the province list here for now, so that they don't all get created... we should figure out 5-7 larger regions to break DRC into, which makes more sense for travel... – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 00:34, 15 November 2007 (EST)

 * Bas-Uele
 * Équateur
 * Haut-Katanga
 * Haut-Lomami
 * Haut-Uele
 * Ituri
 * Kasaï
 * Kasaï Oriental
 * Kongo Central (previously Bas-Zaire, then Bas-Congo)
 * Kwango
 * Kwilu
 * Lomami
 * Lualaba
 * Lulua
 * Mai-Ndombe
 * Maniema
 * Mongala
 * Nord-Kivu
 * Nord-Ubangi
 * Sankuru
 * Sud-Kivu
 * Sud-Ubangi
 * Tanganyika
 * Tshopo
 * Tshuapa

--

As far as dividing the country into 4-5 regions, here's my best shot: As far as the exact boundaries, of the former provinces looks good and appears to line up well with the colors (thus landscapes) in. The names in parentheses above are those of the regions on that map which correspond with the regions I've divided the DRC into. (WT-en) AHeneen 23:56, 20 January 2010 (EST)
 * Western DRC (Badundu, Kinshasa, & Bas Congo) — not sure about a name, but this is where the capital, ocean port, & most of the paved roads can be found, it is also where most tourists (usually travelling down the west coast of Africa) pass through
 * Katanga (Katanga)— the large region in the south/southeast which is savanna & no-so-dense forest, accessed from Zambia
 * Kasai (Kasai Orriental/Occidental) — the second & fourth largest cities are here, large mining operations
 * Kivu (Nord/Sud Kivu) — famous for the wars & the ongoing UN mission and NGO work; linked to some extent both culturally and economically with Rwanda & Uganda, visitors here also come from those countries for gorilla trekking & Virunga NP
 * Northern DRC (Equateur, Oriental, Maniema) — the majority of the DRC's jungle centered around the Congo River, these areas are remote & difficult to access (except by river boats).

 * The UN has a good map of the DRC here! It includes railroads & roads. (WT-en) AHeneen 01:01, 21 January 2010 (EST)

 * Looks very sensible to me. Just so you know, that Wikipedia map you link comes from the Perry Castaneda Library collection, which we use a lot. You will find topo, political and administrative maps there for most countries. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 04:11, 21 January 2010 (EST)

 * OK. The UN map has more roads, but since nearly all are just dirt/mud paths through the jungle, the ones the Wikipedia map are probably the most used/useful (anyone planning on traversing the DRC should be sensible enough to get a good map). The railroads, however, are more clear on the UN map (although most are unused). (WT-en) AHeneen 04:58, 21 January 2010 (EST)

Here is the map based on those five regions. I am really happy with this except for the treatment of Maniema. You will see that this causes a rather illogical looking Northern DRC region. That leg that drops down is Maniema, and I think it could be better dealt with as part of Kasai, or split between Kasai and Kivu. Either coudl be renamed - Kasai-Maniema or Kivu Maniema. Otherwise, it all feels right. And a really fun map to produce as I learned a lot along the way. Discuss, approve or otherwise :). --(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:26, 22 January 2010 (EST)

 * Very nice work! The "Northern DRC" region corresponds with the second largest jungle in the world after the Amazon (the DRC's majority portion of it, at least). Kivu corresponds with the region along the Burundi/Rwanda/Uganda border that is deeply connected with Burundi/Rwanda politics and conflict. From what I've browsed (and I am certainly not an expert on this country), the Maniema region seems to fit with Northern DRC. This satellite image seems to show dark green in Maniema/western Kivu. Since it lies on the Lualaba (the upper part of the Congo), I'd guess it is similar to much of Northern DRC in that it is rural jungle and relies on water for transport. So the regions should stay as they are. A couple cities should be added: Mubji-Mayi & Kindu. The country's railroads are very degraded and whether or not they are operational is hard to figure out. There are many threads discussing DRC trains on Thorn Tree and many seem to suggest some are operating infrequently, so I'd leave them. One line you are missing is Kinshasa-Matadi, which has recently been operational and is currently being refurbished. I cannot find a name for the jungle that forms the "Northern DRC", but since it follows the Congo River maybe "Congo Basin" is appropriate. I'm not sure about a better name for "western DRC", unless it was divided into Badundu & Bas-Congo. A couple tweeks aside, a very good map and I'm glad you've learned something. (WT-en) AHeneen 13:52, 22 January 2010 (EST)

 * You beat me to the punch—I was just about to suggest Congo Basin or better yet Congo Rainforest instead of bland-sounding Northern DRC. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:51, 22 January 2010 (EST)

 * All understood and will do those additions today and do the article re-organisation, deleting the old regions, redirects etc. You make a good case for the treatment of Maniewa although it does look very odd! The satellite images are fairly compelling as you say. One quick thing, I would prefer it if we did not take any map live into the article until it is completely finished. Cheers. A good collaborative effort this one.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 21:45, 22 January 2010 (EST)

 * Done. Map finished, region articles created and all re-directs (I think) in place. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:27, 22 January 2010 (EST)

About the drinks section.
It says that you should beware of the local gin because the fermentation process may yield methanol which is toxic. This is of course pure BS. Fermentation of sugars into alcohol cannot ever lead to methanol, it's impossible. The reason why the gin is toxic is probably that unscrupulous vendors dilute the relatively pricey gin ( ethanol ) with methanol. If you're not carefull when doing that you may end up with a concoction with too much methanol in proportion to the ethanol which will blind or kill people.

Simple fermentation of sugars can not and will not ever yield toxic amounts of methanol. It's simply impossible and stating otherwise is ignorant and misinformative.

Dictatorship, democracy, or something in between?
The current thumbnail description of the government of the DRC is "Dictatorship; claiming to be undergoing a transition to a representative government." Yet they've had elections. Isn't the system more like an imperfect republic, but only in the parts of the country the government controls? But what's the best brief way to describe that? "Elected president, limited control"? (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 16:35, 23 June 2012 (EDT)

 * Freedom House in 2011 ranked the DRC 138th out of 150 countries for democratic governance, so I'm not sure that's what I would call it. Running elections is just one piece of the pie, and electoral corruption, or in this case, simply killing human rights activists, journalists, or people who try to run against the government, undermines their purpose. The Soviet Union ran elections every year.

 * But more importantly, we have agreed to get rid of that field from the Quickbar, replacing the old fields with the shorter and more useful list in Template:Quickbar/working. I think the main reason we haven't finally gotten around to replacing them is just a disagreement over whether they should be at the top of the page, or at the top of the understand section. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 11:15, 25 June 2012 (EDT)

 * I wouldn't take what Freedom House says as Gospel, but I definitely take your points. And if this is going to be replaced soon, I won't concern myself with it. If the disagreement drags on for a long time, we should eventually revisit this. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 17:55, 25 June 2012 (EDT)

The last few elections have been reasonably fair, under very intense scrutiny by the UN & US/European monitors, including the most recent in Nov. 2011. Minority political parties have more influence in the political process than at any time since independence. Not completely sure that "dictator" is the right word to describe the government. The majority party and current president (Joseph Kabila) have a very good control over politics, but Kabila's party and allies are only about 200 of the 500 parliament seats. The rest are split among several dozen small/regional parties, which represent local issues or are formed to follow a particular candidate (since travel/communication is so bad around the country). So I don't even know if the term "authoritarian" is warranted. The "democratic governance" is probably due to the corruption & domineering at the local level in handling elections and crackdowns on protests. You can't expect a 180-degree change in attitude among people & politicians after life under these circumstances:

 * Mobutu who ruled from 1965-1996 was basically a ruthless dictator for most of his reign torturing and/or publicly hanging political rivals, banning any political opposition (except to a limited degree after 1990), creating a cult of personality, and basically controlling the whole government. For much of his reign, he basically only worked to enrich himself (over $5 billion in Swiss bank accounts) and his family & friends. With economic collapse/deflation, corruption became the only way the local governments functioned. My personal favorite is ordering all Congolese to drop their European names and adopt African ones, renaming himself from Joseph Mobuto to Mobutu Sese Seko Nkuku Ngbendu Wa Za Banga ("The all-powerful warrior who, because of his endurance and inflexible will to win, goes from conquest to conquest, leaving fire in his wake.")

 * In 1996 rebel leader Laurent Kabila rolled into Kinshasa, suspending the constitution, declaring himself president, and never ever stood in elections between 1996 & his assassination in 2001. Not a whole lot better

 * His son Joseph Kabila then became president. Peace agreements to end the civil war allowed him to remain president (albeit shared power with 4 "vice presidents" from opposition), but carried the framework of a transition to a multi-party government & Kabila was elected president in 2006 in the first multi-party election since one in 1960 upon independence (international community donated $460 million to carry out & monitor it and UN & EU peacekeepers prevented violence/intimidation at polls). Kabila was re-elected in Nov. 2011.

So not really a free democracy to the Western extent, but not a dictatorship or even an authoritarian regime either. (WT-en) AHeneen 21:13, 25 June 2012 (EDT)

Warningbox
The warningbox at top is packed with useful information, but I think aesthetic concerns might suggest moving the bulk of that information to the Stay safe section, with a prominent section link from the warningbox. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:00, 25 July 2012 (EDT)

 * Done & I think the length is ok, but still a bit long. (WT-en) AHeneen 01:13, 27 July 2012 (EDT)

Plagiarism - or something else?
Identical text in the lead paragraph at http://cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/c/Culture_of_the_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo.htm and today's edit. --180.191.105.141 09:53, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Based on the name of the other site, I would have thought the copying went the other way, but since this edit here was today, in an abundance of caution, it should be reverted unless the person who made the edit has an explanation within 24 hours or so that would explain how the edit is within Wikivoyage's rules on copyleft and copyright, such as that the editor also edited the other site and can demonstrate that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:11, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, that edit? It's from Wikipedia, as noted in the site you posted above, and I already reverted it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:15, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your quick response. Have you had a look at some of the other edits made by this IP ? --180.191.104.193 00:31, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:34, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

The history section
...does look rather long to me and could perhaps be shortened. Or what do you say? After all, this is Wikivoyage and not Wikipedia. ϒpsilon (talk) 07:03, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Anyone? ϒpsilon (talk) 08:23, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

 * It seems somewhat long and detailed for a travel guide, although the sad history of the past 150 years still unfortunately very much defines this country. I would say that the sections between the 1960 independence ('Congo Crisis') and 'Modern DRC' could use some trimming down. Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:57, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

 * When I first read this discussion before checking the page, I wasn't expecting the history section to be so long! Definitely needs to be shortened I say. More info is not necessarily better. We need to serve the traveller, and such a long history section is not going to be read by or useful to someone who's spending just a night in Kinshasa! James A ▪ talk 12:14, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I agree. I like the first section and think it's not too long. The history of the Belgian genocide in The Congo is very important but could be described a bit more briefly. Probably the same is true of the Congo Crisis, Mobutu and the First and Second Congo Wars. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:37, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Question about content in the "History" section
I don't understand the second sentence of this:

"Independence was granted to the "Republic of the Congo" (the same name neighbouring French colony Middle Congo adopted) on 30 June 1960. The day was marked by a sneer and verbal assault directed at the Belgian king after praising the genius of King Leopold II."

Who sneered and made the verbal assault? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:19, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

title: Talk:Democratic Republic of the Congo


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Talk:Denali National Park

To Do

 * Information is needed about the various backcountry camping zones. I don't have this info available, so if someone who knows could give a description of what some of the more popular zones are, and a general description of the major zones (eg. "zones 21, 22, and 23 surround wonder lake", "limited water is available in zones 14, 15 and 16") that would be cool.
 * The new visitor center is supposedly opening this year, so I assume some of the services information may change as a result. If anyone can update, please go for it.
 * I didn't spend time at the hotels & restaurants just outside of the park, so again, if anyone knows anything about those, update away.
 * A bit of a breakdown of the major stops along the road would be good. I'm working on this, but I haven't been there since 2002.

Anyone who is able and willing, please jump in. (WT-en) Wrh2 22:45, 4 May 2005 (EDT)

There are two lodges within the park. Were these left out intentionally? They are small, accomodating only 35-40 people each, but I have stayed at one and the provide an excellent way to see the park from the inside. -- (WT-en) repayne 00:36, 28 Aug 2005 (EDT).

 * Add whatever you can. I almost always backpack or car-camp when I stay in parks, so my knowledge of the lodges is pretty much zero.  I'm actually very curious which lodges you're referring to, as I was under the impression that the only two lodges in the park were in Kantishna (Kantishna Roadhouse & Denali Backcountry Lodge) - if there are more please addd them to the article.  Also, in the future, don't ever worry about adding information to an article so long as the content is appropriate; it would be very unusual for hotel, restaurant or attraction information to be removed so long as it's not spam or in violation of a policy on the site. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 04:42, 28 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * I've added the info about Camp Denali and the North Face Lodge. I also added (just found out) information about the Hawks' Nest Cabin.  -- (WT-en) repayne 09:33, 28 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * Thanks! -- (WT-en) Wrh2 13:40, 28 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Name
I'm confused about the comment about it being established in 1917 as Mt. McKinley National Park named after "then-senator" William McKinley. I'm pretty sure McKinley was long dead by 1917.

 * That's my bad, the mountain was named after McKinley in the late 1800's, and the park was named after the mountain. I'll update. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 22:08, 17 May 2005 (EDT)

Copyedit
I pulled the following text out of the backcountry section of the article - it's a good description of the Denali backcountry experience, but it strikes me as being too "touchy-feely" to match the rest of the guide, not to mention being a bit long-winded. If someone can re-work it to fit the tone & style of the rest of the article it's probably worth restoring:

 * ''Here's a good example of a backcountry trip in Denali. You go to the Backcountry Information Center, do all the paperwork, and go over all of the rules and regulations.  You pick out a backcountry unit and a route you want to take.  "What's this," you say, "my partner and I get 50,000 acres of pristine subarctic tundra all to ourselves?"  You buy a bus ticket, hop on, and go for a ride.  Along the way you see a Red Fox and her kits playing in a small clearing, a herd of Dall sheep grazing on a nearby hillside, and a couple grizzlies digging up roots and tubers in a gravel bar.  You hop off the bus at your destination and set off.  You follow your river for 5 miles, getting closer and closer to the Alaska Range.  You can still look back and see the road - this land is so incredibly wide-open.  Now, you are starting to feel comfortable with your surroundings.  You follow the next bend in the river, and you can't see the road anymore.  "That's okay," you think to yourself, "I know how to get back."  As you continue following the river for the next 6 miles you see small groups of caribou walking around - taking refuge from the mosquitoes in the breezy gravel bar you've been following.  There's a grizzly sow with two cubs on the hillside across from you.  Isn't it nice when you get to see them when they're not too close?  Still, it makes your heart beat faster when you can see them and there's no metal or glass between you and such a powerful animal.  Step off the bus and into the food chain, as the saying goes in Denali.  You're very close to the Alaska Range now, and you can see the massive glaciers flowing over the mountains and emptying into the river you've been following.  It's time to set up camp, so you hike out of the gravel bar and a short ways up the base of a mountain.  You find a nice flat spot covered in moss and tiny wildflowers, and you set up your tent.  Over the next two days you explore the surrounding area.  You hike close to the glacier, follow the rocky glacial morraines where it's safe to travel, and climb up as high as you can.  You're 2 miles away from your tent but you can still look back across the river valley and see that little orange speck.  You get up to the ridgeline of the mountain you've been climbing, and there it is - Mt. McKinley, Denali, the High One.  Does it really matter what its name is?  It is absolutely massive and dwarfs all the other mountains around it.  As you explore the banks next to the river, you find small groups of willows, alders, and more blueberry bushes than you could ever imagine.  On your last day, you begin to hike back out.  You follow the river, seeing more caribou along the way.  When you pass the next bend in the river, you can see the road again.  It's five miles away, and you can make out a tiny little spot that's moving along the road - it's a bus with a little puff of dust getting kicked up behind it.  The sight of the road gently encourages you to keep going.  As you get closer to the road, you begin to think back about your trip.  Just then, you catch some movement out of the corner of your eye.  Some bushes rustle next to the river bank and a Gray Wolf steps out into the clearing.  It's walking along at a quick pace, following the river.  He pauses for a second, looks at you, and then continues along around the next bend in the river as he disappears from your sight.  He didn't even care about you.  You are nothing to him, neither a prey item nor a threat - you are simply another part of the landscape.  You reach the road and wait around for about 20 minutes until the next bus comes by.  You hop on, and begin your long ride back out of the park.  As you ride in the bus, all you can think about is the next time you can come back and what other adventures might be in store for you.''

-- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:33, 5 July 2009 (EDT)

I don't believe the location of Denali Mountain Morning Hostel is 13 miles south of the park. This is based on mapping the mile marker for the hostel, as well as the directions on the hostel's website. Still, since I haven't yet been to Denali, I'm hesitant to make the edit. If anyone can confirm....

==== "There are some sections of the park road with very steep drop offs, no guard rails, and only enough room on the road for one bus to pass at a time. If you are afraid of heights, this is your warning. Some visitors nervously ask, "Heh, how many buses have gone over the edge?" Unfortunately, the answer is that one bus did go over the edge back in the 70's soon after the bus system was started, and there were a large number of fatalities in this accident. The incident happened on a steep drop just past Eilson Visitor Center (Mile 66). This happened at a time when the bus drivers received a very minimal amount of training. The bus drivers today are put through extensive training before being allowed to drive the park road. Still, one accident in about 35 years of operation isn't too bad."

This isn't exactly true. The Administrative History of DNP talks about it in great detail. There has been two fatal accidents. Both before the EVC. One in the 70's, the other in the 80's. Neither one resulted in "a large number of fatalities"

title: Talk:Denali National Park


text:
Talk:Dengue fever

see also: Talk:Dengue fever/Archive

Dengue vaccine
According to our sister project, there is a lot of research into a vaccine against Dengue and some of them have apparently yielded a product that is effective in humans. We should monitor this and update our article accordingly. Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:30, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

 * This is very exciting! Mosquitoes love my girlfriend's blood, so I could not in good conscience take her to a country with endemic dengue like Malaysia as long as there was no good prophylaxis against dengue. If it'll be as simple as getting a vaccine, I'll be able to take her there in due course! Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:47, 16 January 2016 (UTC

 * According to reports I have seen, one vaccine exists now & several others are being worked on. The French company with the working one are "flipping the model", getting it approved first where it is most needed — Mexico, Thailand, Brazil, ... — rather than first in US & Europe. Pashley (talk) 04:32, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

 * I have updated the article, but it will need monitoring & further updates later. Pashley (talk) 13:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

 * Sanofi-Pasteur's web site says they got their first Asian approval in the Philippines in December. I asked a doctor (Filipino infectious disease specialist) about it today & he thought it would be available in March. Pashley (talk) 16:00, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

 * A couple of news reports ; it is being deployed in the Philippines. Pashley (talk) 19:40, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the update. Let's hope it will prove its effectiveness. Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:54, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

 * A clinic in a Dumaguete shopping area offers it for ₱5000 (about US$100) for each of the three shots. Pashley (talk) 11:26, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Dengue_fever mentions approval in several other countries & says US$207 for the three shots in Indonesia. Pashley (talk) 05:17, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

 * Any indications on effectiveness? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:43, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * WP has some info. Pashley (talk) 07:46, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Expensive, and mediocre protection, but better than nothing. Who can afford those kinds of prices in the Philippines and Indonesia? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:05, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * In the Philippines there is a pilot program giving it free to some fairly large number of school children and a plan to do all the country's kids if pilot results are good. The ₱5000 is at a downtown clinic; I plan to check at a hospital & will report what I find.
 * For some travellers, age may be a problem. I believe it is only approved for ages 9-45. I'll see what a doctor here says & report that too. Pashley (talk) 14:34, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Given that my girlfriend will be turning 46 early next year, that's an issue. Thanks for checking. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:03, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

 * Watsons are a chain of pharmacies with locations across SE Asia. Their Philippine stores now offer vaccination for ₱4000 (about US$80) for each of the three shots. The pharmacist I talked to thought there was no upper age limit. Pashley (talk) 23:36, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update. Has the vaccine's effectiveness improved? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:20, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm neither a doctor nor a biologist & I have not read the research, so I'm utterly unqualified to comment on effectiveness. Ask a doctor, preferably a specialist. Pashley (talk) 01:11, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

"Two studies of a vaccine found it was 60% effective and prevented more than 80 to 90% of severe cases.[54][55] This is less than wished for by some.[56]" So it is okay but not excellent. This is the most comprehensive review I have seen Travel Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 03:49, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, Doc. I hope that by the time my girlfriend and I go (back for me) to Southeast Asia, more progress will have been made. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:55, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

 * It is getting complicated. The Philippines have withdrawn their approval of the vaccine and Sanofi restricts dengue vaccine "to limit its use to people who have had previous exposure to dengue virus". Pashley (talk) 11:44, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

 * Philippine gov't have now re-approved it, not sure with what (if any) restrictions. Doc I spoke to did not recommend it for me, in my 70s & not in a high-risk area. Pashley (talk) 06:38, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Hawaii
Hawaii's Big Island declares emergency over dengue fever infections, Reuters, Feb 9. Pashley (talk) 10:12, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Hawaii Declares State of Emergency over Zika, Dengue Pashley (talk) 14:20, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Caribbean
Dengue fever is spreading in the Caribbean, and survivors say travellers aren't being warned Pashley (talk) 23:08, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Climate change
Climate change accelerating the spread of disease-carrying mosquitoes, specifically aedes aegypti which are the main ones for dengue, Zika, ... Pashley (talk) 11:12, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

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