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Talk:Vancouver/Kitsilano

Although there are not many nightclubs in Kits (although I think you are missing a few) there are tons of pubs and similar places to drink. I drink like a fish and rarely have the need to head downtown to the clubs. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 66.119.176.234 (talk • contribs) 11:00, 2005 November 14

What have people got against Ro Sushi?
The entry for Ro Sushi under Eat/Budget has been deleted twice, on 20:04, 2007 April 19 by (WT-en) Sam Salmon, and on 20:21, 2007 May 10 by 154.20.203.206. I don't understand the reason for these deletions, and I think the entry is appropriate for the section. So I've restored them. If anyone has objections to this listing, let's discuss here. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 16:09, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Ro Sushi is nowhere near Kitsilano it's on the other side of Cambie St FGS! —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 154.20.203.206 (talk • contribs) 22:54, 2007 July 20
 * Thank you for your reply, 154.20.203.206. It's much easier to work these things out by discussion on a Talk page than by trading edits back and forth. The reason why Ro Sushi belongs in this article is that this article covers more than just the "Kitsilano" neighborhood. Please read the introduction to the article, and the Vancouver section, which talk about the Wikivoyage district boundaries. This article extends all the way east to the boundary of the Vancouver/East Van article, namely to Ontario Street in the east. Ro Sushi is at 542 West Broadway, just on the Kits side of Cambie, about 5 blocks west of Ontario Street. Thus it belongs in this article. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 15:50, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

Deletions and conflicting opinions on restaurants (Lumiere, Tojo's, Taco Shack)
There's been some back-and-forth edits in Vancouver/Kitsilano in the last few days. Someone is repeatedly deleting the Lumiere entry. Someone thinks Tojo's is lousy, which conflicts with my personal experience there. Disagreement is fine, but then let's have the entry reflect the disagreement instead of one opinion. There is also disagreement about the quality of Taco Shack, which is fine, but for some reason the formatting of the entries got changed from "eat" tags back to bare text, and the entry for one of the branches got deleted. Let's talk about that here, instead of making conflicting edits. My 2¢: I've been to Tojo's in the last 6 months, and thought it was great. Lumiere and Taco Shack have working web sites, so I think they are still in business, so we shouldn't delete them. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 15:53, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Lumière under renovation, Feenie's to become DB Bistro Modern (summer 2008)
Information is unclear, but it looks like the adjacent Lumière and Feenie's sites, at 2551 and 2563 W Broadway, are changing. As of 2008/June/27, Lumière's phone answers with a recording that they are closed for renovation and will open in the fall, check their website for details. However, http://www.lumiere.ca/ has no mention of being closed. Sigh. As of 2008/June/27, Feenie's phone number +1-(604) 739-7115 answers with a recording giving the name "DB Bistro Moderne", also saying that they are closed for renovation and will open in the fall. Feenie's website http://feenies.com is no help, it just redirects to http://www.lumiere.ca/. http://www.foodvancouver.com/restaurant.php?restaurant=1035 says Lumiere is closed; http://www.dinehere.ca/restaurant.asp?r=311 says Feenie's will reopen as "DB Bistro Moderne under ... Daniel Boulud". Hence, I've left the Feenie's listing as deleted, and restored the Lumiére listing but marked it "closed until Fall 2008". (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 03:10, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

 * The listing has been deleted again. I called and got the same message (will reopen in the fall), so I'm going to leave it off the main page, but I've put the old listing below so the details can easily be found when it reopens. (WT-en) Shaund 21:54, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

 * (Closed from June 2008; reopens in the fall. Call for details.) Served innovative and elegant west coast food with a French flair. Canadian master chef Rob Feenie built its reputation, but left late in 2007 after a falling-out with investors. Now fellow Canuck chef Dale Mackay leads.

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I think we need to push this for a guide. It is a trendy liveable area and I dont see why not. Where can it improve? (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 20:30, 27 November 2008 (EST).

 * Is the coverage of the district fairly complete, or just sorta moderate? Is it as good as the coverage in most printed guidebooks? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 20:40, 27 November 2008 (EST)

 * I am not sure as I am not really familiar. Awaiting Shaunds comment.  (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee]  .T.A.L.K. 20:44, 27 November 2008 (EST).

 * It's pretty close to being a guide. It exceeds what is in Rough Guide and LP British Columbia, but I doubt it exceeds their Vancouver guide. It needs some Buy listings, some Contact listings and some more Sleep listings (I had created a list a while back, if I can find it again I'll put it in). I'm not sure of the Drink situation there, but I suspect there are more than 4 good places. (WT-en) Shaund 01:16, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Granille Isle?
I was wondering, shouldn't Granville Island be in See, perhaps? I mean it seems more of a place to look at things or buy things. Maybe it isn't - I don't know. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 17:46, 18 December 2008 (EST).

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Talk:Vancouver/Kitsilano-Granville Island

Although there are not many nightclubs in Kits (although I think you are missing a few) there are tons of pubs and similar places to drink. I drink like a fish and rarely have the need to head downtown to the clubs. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 66.119.176.234 (talk • contribs) 11:00, 2005 November 14

What have people got against Ro Sushi?
The entry for Ro Sushi under Eat/Budget has been deleted twice, on 20:04, 2007 April 19 by (WT-en) Sam Salmon, and on 20:21, 2007 May 10 by 154.20.203.206. I don't understand the reason for these deletions, and I think the entry is appropriate for the section. So I've restored them. If anyone has objections to this listing, let's discuss here. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 16:09, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Ro Sushi is nowhere near Kitsilano it's on the other side of Cambie St FGS! —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 154.20.203.206 (talk • contribs) 22:54, 2007 July 20
 * Thank you for your reply, 154.20.203.206. It's much easier to work these things out by discussion on a Talk page than by trading edits back and forth. The reason why Ro Sushi belongs in this article is that this article covers more than just the "Kitsilano" neighborhood. Please read the introduction to the article, and the Vancouver section, which talk about the Wikivoyage district boundaries. This article extends all the way east to the boundary of the Vancouver/East Van article, namely to Ontario Street in the east. Ro Sushi is at 542 West Broadway, just on the Kits side of Cambie, about 5 blocks west of Ontario Street. Thus it belongs in this article. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 15:50, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

Deletions and conflicting opinions on restaurants (Lumiere, Tojo's, Taco Shack)
There's been some back-and-forth edits in Vancouver/Kitsilano in the last few days. Someone is repeatedly deleting the Lumiere entry. Someone thinks Tojo's is lousy, which conflicts with my personal experience there. Disagreement is fine, but then let's have the entry reflect the disagreement instead of one opinion. There is also disagreement about the quality of Taco Shack, which is fine, but for some reason the formatting of the entries got changed from "eat" tags back to bare text, and the entry for one of the branches got deleted. Let's talk about that here, instead of making conflicting edits. My 2¢: I've been to Tojo's in the last 6 months, and thought it was great. Lumiere and Taco Shack have working web sites, so I think they are still in business, so we shouldn't delete them. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 15:53, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Lumière under renovation, Feenie's to become DB Bistro Modern (summer 2008)
Information is unclear, but it looks like the adjacent Lumière and Feenie's sites, at 2551 and 2563 W Broadway, are changing. As of 2008/June/27, Lumière's phone answers with a recording that they are closed for renovation and will open in the fall, check their website for details. However, http://www.lumiere.ca/ has no mention of being closed. Sigh. As of 2008/June/27, Feenie's phone number +1-(604) 739-7115 answers with a recording giving the name "DB Bistro Moderne", also saying that they are closed for renovation and will open in the fall. Feenie's website http://feenies.com is no help, it just redirects to http://www.lumiere.ca/. http://www.foodvancouver.com/restaurant.php?restaurant=1035 says Lumiere is closed; http://www.dinehere.ca/restaurant.asp?r=311 says Feenie's will reopen as "DB Bistro Moderne under ... Daniel Boulud". Hence, I've left the Feenie's listing as deleted, and restored the Lumiére listing but marked it "closed until Fall 2008". (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 03:10, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

 * The listing has been deleted again. I called and got the same message (will reopen in the fall), so I'm going to leave it off the main page, but I've put the old listing below so the details can easily be found when it reopens. (WT-en) Shaund 21:54, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

 * (Closed from June 2008; reopens in the fall. Call for details.) Served innovative and elegant west coast food with a French flair. Canadian master chef Rob Feenie built its reputation, but left late in 2007 after a falling-out with investors. Now fellow Canuck chef Dale Mackay leads.

guide
I think we need to push this for a guide. It is a trendy liveable area and I dont see why not. Where can it improve? (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 20:30, 27 November 2008 (EST).

 * Is the coverage of the district fairly complete, or just sorta moderate? Is it as good as the coverage in most printed guidebooks? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 20:40, 27 November 2008 (EST)

 * I am not sure as I am not really familiar. Awaiting Shaunds comment.  (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee]  .T.A.L.K. 20:44, 27 November 2008 (EST).

 * It's pretty close to being a guide. It exceeds what is in Rough Guide and LP British Columbia, but I doubt it exceeds their Vancouver guide. It needs some Buy listings, some Contact listings and some more Sleep listings (I had created a list a while back, if I can find it again I'll put it in). I'm not sure of the Drink situation there, but I suspect there are more than 4 good places. (WT-en) Shaund 01:16, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Granille Isle?
I was wondering, shouldn't Granville Island be in See, perhaps? I mean it seems more of a place to look at things or buy things. Maybe it isn't - I don't know. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 17:46, 18 December 2008 (EST).

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Talk:Vancouver/South

There is a nightclub at marine drive and hudson (under the bridges). Last I checked it was called the Wild Coyote, but names tend to change.

41st in Kerrisdale has quite a few restaurants, but other than that your call of there not being many is pretty good. --66.119.176.23

Is it really appropriate to group all these disparate neighbourhoods under one banner of Vancouver South? Shaughnessy is quite distinct from Killarney, for example. Or Marpole vs Oakridge. This just seems kind of lazy, like whoever was making this guide didn't want to make pages for all the different neighbourhoods in the southern half of the city. 142.103.207.10 00:39, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I agree the neighbourhoods are different, but we don't necessarily make a guide for every neighbourhood. We want our guides to be useful, so a neighbourhood (district) guide is only created if there's enough content (we don't want readers to wade through a bunch of pages with only a handful of listings). An example of this would be the West End. If there isn't enough content for one neighbourhood, it gets combined with other nearby neighbourhoods (like the Gastown & Chinatown guide). In the case of the southern half of Vancouver, we don't have very much content at all, so for now, it's all grouped together in one guide. If Vancouver South gets enough listings and info at some point, it'll be split then. The guidelines for when to make district articles are covered in the geographic hierarchy article. Cheers. -Shaundd (talk) 04:16, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Vancouver/South Granville

Yay!
Great job with this page, (WT-en) Shaund! Thanks! (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 02:56, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Vancouver/UBC-Point Grey

Wreck beach
The trail to Wreck beach is near the West Parkade, or more precisely at the extreme west end of University Boulevard just past the Place Vanier residences. You can either park on Marine Drive or you can take transit to UBC and continue down the same road the bus brought you on foot. The friends of wreck beach society has a website.

 * I'm copying the above to the article page. For future reference please feel free to plunge forward and edit the article directly! (WT-en) Majnoona 22:44, 15 Nov 2005 (EST)

See vs Do
Per the guidlines in Project:Where you can stick it I moved the beach info to the "do" section.

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Talk:Vancouver Island

I got it started. It still needs a lot of work. I will add some more details/links when I have more time. - (WT-en) Webgeer 16:44, 21 Jul 2004 (EDT)

Why isn't the 'IsIn' working for this page? (WT-en) bulliver 16:52, 9 December 2007 (EST)
 * Probably because the link to Wikipedia was above the IsIn. I changed it - looks good now.  -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 17:03, 9 December 2007 (EST)

Region structure for Vancouver Island
This article presently treats all of Vancouver Island as one region, and all the city and attractions are in this article. This dumps too much into one article, I think. It would be better to divide Vancouver Island into maybe four regions. By comparison, Tourism Vancouver Island has seven regions (and they include the mainland near northern VanIsle in their scope). I'll look up some other references too. I think we should at least separate upper island, central island, and lower island. What do you all think? (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 03:11, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

 * Their seven region breakdown makes sense, but it's very fine-grained for what we have right now. I just got back from Tofino and was thinking that the West Coast (or Pacific Rim) -- essentially Tofino, Ucluelet, Bamfield, Port Alberni, the Long Beach section of Pacific Rim NP and some, if not all, of the remainder of Pacific Rim NP should be in its own region. It's very contained and different from the rest of Central Vancouver Island. The Pacific Rim region borders defined in Tourism Vancouver Island's website would make a good place to start. - (WT-en) Shaund 00:56, 22 May 2012 (EDT)

I've done up a draft map for the Island's regions. The only change I've made from the current structure is the North Central Vancouver Island region, which is a combination of the current Discovery Islands region and Campbell River plus destinations along BC Hwy 28. The rationale being Campbell River is the hub of the region and most transportation is routed through it (e.g., if you're on Quadra or Cortes and want to go to the Outer Islands or Desolation Sound, you pretty much have to go back to Campbell River to complete the journey unless you have your own boat). I decided against splitting out Tofino and the West Coast, as I felt much of its content would be a rehash of the Tofino article, and a well-written Central Vancouver Island guide could cover the differences between the east and west coasts.

To define what's in and out of a region, I'm suggesting our travel regions follow the Regional District borders, with a couple of exceptions, noted below. This doesn't really change anything as the current breakdown pretty much does it already,

Thoughts? If there are no objections, I'll clean the map up and implement in a week or two. -Shaundd (talk) 06:07, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Cars
"Get around" recommends driving to travel around the island, but "Get in" only mentions ferries and planes. How can travelers get their car to the island? Can you take it on a ferry? Is there a bridge? Or are you best off renting a car once you arrive? —Granger (talk · contribs) 11:54, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 2 years late but there's a car ferry at the end of the TCH a few kilometres west of West Vancouver (Source: A close friend of mine lives in Vancouver Island). -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:55, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Vang Vieng

Israelis in Vang Vieng
I'm curious why Vang Vieng appears to have such a huge number of Israeli visitors. I never saw anything like it in Vientiane, but I never made it to Luang Prabang so I don't know if it's the same up there. Any guesses? Kibbutzers on holiday, perhaps? (WT-en) Ewlyahoocom 12:37, 12 August 2006 (EDT)
 * We'll it's a pretty popular stop on the backpacker trail, just because it's so chill I think. I didn't notice it in Luang Prabang, but maybe you were just there at the same time as a large group? Or summer vacation or something? I wonder if it's featured heavily in Israeli guidebooks. (WT-en) Maj 12:49, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

 * well israelis go everywhere where you can buy easily drugs, and that`s vang vieng.91.49.209.123 14:53, 25 December 2007 (EST)armin_stahl@gmx.de

Bit of an easy generalization there isn't it? My experience of Vang Vieng was that there was a whole mix of ethnicitys. Buying drugs in Vang Vieng is only easy with the traditional drugs of the area, ie. Pot, Magic Mushrooms and Opium. Trying to buy cocaine or anything else is very dangerous.

Do - tubing
I am a little concerned about the theme and tone of the current listing describing tubing activities. The consumption of alcohol and engagement in water activities including tubing, or even just old fashioned swimming is not exactly a 'safe' activity at any stretch of the imagination, especially if heavily intoxicated. I get the impression that that may be somewhat of a theme at this location and accordingly I have inserted a very minor comment "for reasons of safety and common sense consider avoiding alcohol completely if entering the water". However maybe we need to consider the appropriateness of detailing the drinking and tubing whilst intoxicated activities as something to do whilst effected by alcohol. If that is what is happening there...getting drunk and riding a tube down a river then so be it, however the article listing is by default promoting a decidedly foolish activity. Does anyone think a 'warning', possibly even a basic 'warning box' is appropriate here or perhaps my recent edit is quite enough to express a need for restraint and caution. (WT-en) felix 02:13, 13 January 2011 (EST)

 * Tubing and drinking is a major activity here. You take a tube, roll down the river, then drink some at a bar, hit the river again up to the next bar. That's how it goes. I think the traveler him/herself should be able to decide whether its too dangerous or not. I think it's a bit captain obvious, but we could provide a small warning somewhere. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 02:22, 13 January 2011 (EST)

 * Yes, I most certainly agree on the Capt. Obvious thing, my only concern is that we 'appear' to be somewhat promoting the drink and tube thing by default and it also seems to be the general theme of the place. I subsequently added the below to the Stay safe section. It seems to entirely contradict the rest of the article, I guess that is the idea though. Let me know what you think. (WT-en) felix 02:35, 13 January 2011 (EST)

===Water sports and alcohol do not mix===

Drinking alcohol or consuming drugs then entering the water and swimming or tubing may seem like a great idea but common sense should prevail. If you have been drinking alcohol or consuming drugs do not enter the water. To do so places both yourself and others at risk. Just because a lot of people are doing it does not make it any less dangerous, indeed it probably just enhances the risk

 * I don't think it is dangerous to get into the water after a beer. Even a couple of beers, I don't see a big harm, as long as you can swim. But of course, one must know its own limits, and that differs per person. So to say they "dont mix" or should not be done I think is far-stretched, but we could say that one has to be careful and know his/her own limits. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 09:04, 13 January 2011 (EST)

 * If there is a consensus that my 'cautioning' is over the top then I do not object to it being toned down or taken out completely. However I do think that the sort of activities the article is promoting are a bit risky (heavy drinking and tubing) but maybe I am just feeling sensitive as there have been some river drownings lately near where I live, alcohol was not involved, the water was sufficient on it's own. As mentioned above a caution it is a bit captain obvious but as the article is somewhat promoting risky behaviour some sort of caution may be appropriate. If anyone thinks the one I put in is over the top just take it out. (WT-en) felix 13:49, 13 January 2011 (EST)

 * I can't even imagine tubing without a cooler of beer attached to my tube by rope. (Tubing isn't really a "sport" that you would do on anything but a really lazy river.) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:08, 13 January 2011 (EST)

I think a warning box with the phrase "Be aware that 2 people on average are killed every month on the Nam Song River, and the tubing bars along it's banks. See Stay Safe for more information" would be well in order. The number of young travellers killed on this river (22 last year) makes such a warning warranted in my view. The last death occured on Jan 10th, and there will probably be another before the month is over. It should be noted as well that the hazard comes from the dangerous mix of alcohol + 10m high ziplines/jumping platforms + water + 3rd world medical facilities. The river it's self is not that dangerous. The guy who died on the 10th was taken to the "hospital" in a tuk-tuk. For those who don't know, floating down the river with a couple of beers is not how 99% of thosing tubing the Nam Song drink anymore. The reality is much closer to college party / frat house binge drinking, the bars even give free shots of the local Whiskey to anyone who buys a beer, goes off the zip line, or even just walks into the bar. The kids doing this get unbelievably drunk, and fast. Also worth noting that tubing drives the town's economy, and the locals all experience a sudden loss of english skills when asked about river fatalities. I've been in town since the 10th, and only found out the details of the accident from international news sites, and a couple of western rock climbing and kayaking guides.(WT-en) CanadianGuy 22:03, 19 January 2012 (EST)

 * Good idea but keep it brief and to the point. I put some warnings into this article a long time ago but there were some objections and they quickly got diluted and were eventually removed completely by a series of edits. I somehow doubt anyone will take any notice of it any warnings in the article and the dangers of the sort of silliness that goes on there really should be more than apparently to visitors there. The Warning Box is meant to be used for "non-obvious dangers to life and limb" I really think this danger is pretty obvious. Maybe a caution box is the best thing for this, as it is not a danger arising from a war, natural disaster or similar event. There is some effort being made site-wide to limit the use of the warning boxes to things of a more catastrophic nature. -- (WT-en) felix 13:38, 20 January 2012 (EST)

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Talk:Vanuatu

Tone
What's with the preachy tone of this entry? The respect section has some good points, but snarky quips and entire paragraphs about the virtues of giving someone a used shirt seems pointless.

Map outdated
The map of Vanuatu from the CIA Factbook is out of date; I have this from a Vanuatu local who pointed out several problems with it, though I can't recall what they are. (Perhaps he'll pipe up with details.) Does anyone have a more recent/correct map? --(WT-en) Skud 18:59, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

 * I've done a little looking and can't find a map that differs from this one (aside from having more/less info). The latest version of the CIA map is identical (except for the cropping and relabeling to "Vanuatu" that I did). - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 19:37, 30 November 2007 (EST)

Image
not showing up. ??? --72.73.91.9 05:09, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Port Vila or Port-Vila
Hi All; not sure if this is the place to say so, but should the Port-Vila entry really have a hyphen? Even throughout the Vanuatu article, it is referred to as Port Vila (with a space, not a hyphen), so just wondering why it has been given a hyphen in the links? (WT-en) BadJelly123 23:32, 22 November 2009 (EST)

You are correct, there is no hyphen.

too many layers
Dividing Vanuatu up into administrative districts does not seem very helpful as it results in a lengthy hierachy of pages that are offputting (particularly as most are empty). For a country the size of Vanuatu to have a hierachy of, for example, Vanuatu, Sanma, Espiritu Santo, Luganville does not seem useful when all most people will be interested in is Luganville. In Tonga we have reduced the hierachy to Tonga--Island Group. Why not the same for Vanuatu? (WT-en) Shep 16:04, 9 September 2010 (EDT)

 * Nobody had a comment about this in 2010. What do people think now? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:44, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I do not think we need two region levels below Vanuatu. One level of regions should be enough. --Traveler100 (talk) 09:41, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Port Vila
Very populated and polluted Tawiiii nmo (talk) 09:37, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * If you want to say more about the city, don't say it here, where very few people will see it; edit the Port-Vila article as appropriate. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:43, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Currency, time and spelling conventions
Below is a proposed infobox to let readers know which formatting conventions to use in Wikivoyage articles. Do you agree with these proposals? If you have direct knowledge of what is most commonly used in the country, please let us know. Ground Zero (talk) 16:46, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

 * Moved to the top of this article. Ground Zero (talk) 12:45, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

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I will be adding more information and uploading some pictures shortly. (WT-en) HappyV 15:35, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Varanasi

Haifa & Bread of Life
I reverted the changes made to Haifa Cafe and Bread of Life Bakery... if they're true, someone speak up and we can add the info back in in a less harsh way. But it seems a little weird to me that 2 of the most popular places in the city with tourists have taken such a simultaneous nose-dive. Forgive me if I'm wrong about this. – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 01:26, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

Do NOT Bathe
surely this recommendation should be removed, if the water's not drinkable, you surely should not swim in it. " Try not to think too much about the dozens of sewage pipes and sunken corpses " again, just thinking about it doesn't make it in any way advisable. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 24.91.119.177 (talk • contribs)

 * Millions come here every year specifically to bathe, so.... – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 23:17, 25 February 2009 (EST)

JUST READ THE GANGA ARTICLE: ...As it flows through highly populous areas the Ganges collects large amounts of human pollutants, e.g., Schistosoma mansoni and faecal coliforms, and drinking and bathing in its waters therefore carries a high risk of infection. While proposals have been made for remediating this condition, little progress has been achieved. Along the 4 miles (6.4 kilometres) stretch of terraced bathing ghats in the holy city of Varanasi, the water of the Ganges is a "brown soup of excrement and industrial effluents."[5] The water there contains 60,000 faecal coliform bacteria per 100 ml, 120 times the official limit of 500 faecal coliforms/100ml that is considered safe for bathing...ANY QUESTIONS ??? so,when your not born and raised in varanasi...and even your mother drank that brew while pregnant...do not even think to bathe...it definitely gives you the shits...minimum...HARRY

 * I wouldn't do it, but many do.... I know several westerners that have, with no problems. But yes, what you say is true :) – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 22:14, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

 * You need to differntiate between "swimming" and "bathing". I would not SWIM in Varanasi but I would definitely BATHE there. And by "bathe" I mean stand in ankle-deep water and pour a little water over myself being careful to keep my eyes and mouth closed! One acceptable definition of "bathe" is to simply apply a little Ganges water to your head, arms, chest and feet. Remember that Hindus consider just being there to be a huge blessing and if you have the faith to bathe there, you are blessed that much more. BTW, you can also bathe in the Ganges at Rishikesh or Haridwar which are very clean but the significance of the Ganges at Varanasi is, among other things, that it auspiciously flows north here instead of southeast like the rest of the river.

I DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS ADVICE

''Rickshaw/taxi scams are a norm in Varanasi, and the driver will inevitably tell you that the hotel that you wish to go to has burned down, is flooded, or closed. Don't believe him. Drivers receive commission from hotels for bringing in new guests, and this is one way to trick newcomers to going to these places. Don't get annoyed, but see the exchange as playful banter and part of the Varanasi experience. However, if the driver continuously refuses to follow your instructions, threaten to get out of the rickshaw. If after all this you still end up to a different place, just refuse to pay until you arrive at your hotel. The same procedure will need to be followed when sight seeing, as drivers will inevitably try to take you to handicraft stores, from which they receive commission. If calling for a pickup from a more resepctable hostel, be wary that other taxi drivers may listen in to your phone conversation then tell another taxi driver who will pick you up pretending to be your hostel, then take you to a commision charging hostel''.

I think the best way to deal with these people is a zero tolerance policy. If a driver does anything other than take you to your hotel, immediately get out and do not pay the driver. I have kicked the shit out of a bicycle rickshaw, to good effect. These people are the scum of the earth. They ruin people's vacations. They must be dealt with decisively and harshly.

"One of the most impressive sights in the world"
I think very few non-Hindus would consider people bathing in the Ganges to be "one of the most impressive sights in the world." Indeed, Google searches reveal that many people who visit Varanasi are not enthralled. I personally thought Varanasi was a sewer, and would not recommend that others visit it. Unless someone can give me a good reason to maintain the language in the current article that seems like a travel agent touting Varanasi, I believe the article should include my edits, which Ikan deleted. I will revert back to them tomorrow. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 59.145.164.130 (talk • contribs)

 * I'm not a Hindu nor even less a travel agent, and I found the view from a boat on the Ganges amazing and my visit to Varanasi perhaps the most fascinating of any of the places in India I visited (the others were Delhi, Agra, Fatehpur, Khajuraho, Sarnath, Srinagar, and Amritsar, and all of them had merit). That was in 1977, and I doubt the river was clean then, though it wouldn't surprise me if it's dirtier now. But in any case, I think we need to establish a consensus, not engage in a continued edit war. Let's wait for the comments of other people and see what they think. Also, it's traditional to sign posts on "talk" pages by typing 4 tildes (the "~" key) in a row at the end.

 * All the best,

 * (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 03:48, 11 October 2011 (EDT)

It's not an issue of who's right and who's wrong. It's a matter of neutrality. There is no consensus that Varanasi has "one of the most impressive sights in the world" or that it is a "must visit." Many people feel differently. Regards. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 59.145.164.130 (talk • contribs)

 * Wikivoyage does not follow Wikipedia's policy on neutrality - see Project:Be fair for the appropriate guideline. Per Project:Consensus, if an edit is in dispute please leave the original text in place and discuss the change rather than changing and re-changing it. -- (WT-en) wrh2 11:45, 11 October 2011 (EDT)

dirty laundry
Does anyone know where this place is? I can't physically find it and it's not listed on any maps. Having the keywords "laundry" and "dirty" don't exactly help either, there are hundreds of laundries and everything is dirty.

-billbarrelrider, 2 February 2019

Standard taste coffee
The article warns that coffee is not as common, the instant variety or "not standard taste". What is standard taste? Uttar Pradesh isn't known for coffee that I know (and the region articles are silent on the theme). Is the "standard taste" the taste of coffee in South India, mentioned in India? Or is it based on some non-Indian preferences? US? French? Finnish? The warning needs to be clarified. –LPfi (talk) 09:11, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Varna

Air routes
Does every air route in to Varna need to be haphazardly added to this webpage? Personally, I say no.

 * I agree. (WT-en) ViMy 08:30, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

Ferry to Georgia
Has anybody taken the ferry from Varna to Poti or Batumi in Georgia? I'd like to know how often it runs, how much it costs, and how long it takes. — (WT-en) Hippietrail 05:44, 1 February 2011 (EST)

Airlines
This long list of airlines doesn't really belong in the article, per Avoid long lists; moving here. Ibaman (talk) 18:46, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Airlines and destinations—connections are mostly seasonal (the list is not full):
 * Air Via (Berlin-Schönefeld, Berlin-Tegel, Frankfurt)
 * Austrian Airlines (Vienna)
 * Balkan Holidays Air (Birmingham, Bristol, East Midlands, Gatwick, Glasgow, Luton, Manchester, Newcastle)
 * Bulgaria Air (Amsterdam, Berlin-Schönefeld, Berlin-Tegel, Cologne/Bonn, Dublin, London Gatwick, Madrid, Milan-Malpensa, Sofia, Vienna)
 * Bulgarian Air Charter (Berlin-Schönefeld, Berlin-Tegel, Cologne/Bonn, Frankfurt)
 * Easyjet (London Gatwick)
 * TUI fly (Brussels)
 * Thomsonfly (East Midlands, London Gatwick, Manchester)
 * Norwegian Air Shuttle (Oslo)
 * Ural Airlines (Nizhny Novgorod, Samara, Yekaterinburg)
 * Wizz Air (London Luton)

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Talk:Vasco da Gama

Rex is also a good resturant

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Talk:Vaser Valley

This doesn't look like a article meeting the guidelines to me. Vaser Valley is more like an attraction than like a city or region. From what I read here there will be no places to sleep or eat. "The access point to the Vaser Valley is the town of Vişeu de Sus", so maybe we could merge it into that city article? Any feedback from local wikivoyagers? --(WT-en) Sebindi 04:09, 23 April 2010 (EDT)

 * I know nothing about this area but from a quick read, I would agree that merging with Vişeu de Sus seems appropriate.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 04:34, 23 April 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Vatican City

For future reference the Project:CIA_World_Factbook_2002_import, which was at Vatican City, can be found at Talk:Vatican_City/CIA_World_Factbook_2002_import.

Is the Lira still accepted in the Vatican, as this article implies?

best time to arrive to Vatican Museums
> It is a common misconception that by arriving at the Vatican Museums early one can avoid waiting in line. In fact, the opposite is true. Lines are at their worst in the early hours and taper off by about 11:30AM or 12PM when often times one can simply walk right in. Having said that, since the Vatican museum closes early (4:30PM) and is huge, it is best to go in early.

In early March in 2008, we experienced just the opposite: at 8am queue for individuals was about a dozen people; by 12:30pm or 1pm it grew dramatically, turning around several corners of Vatican walls.

So what is true, actually?

Before we reach some consensus, I remove this piece from the article. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 17:48, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

Existence
Does this really need a separate article? I know we all love making country articles, but this strikes me as really pointless, since it's basically a subdivision of a single Rome district! I think the pointlessness of this article is pretty clear per the empty eat, drink, sleep sections (since those listings are across this mighty international border in the rest of the Vaticano neighborhood). We could keep the Vatican City links as is, but update them (and this page, after merging content) to redirect to the appropriate Rome district. That would simplify the Rome districts in a useful way, I think. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:47, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

 * There's already a Rome/Vaticano district and talk of merging the two on Talk:Rome/Vaticano. I'd be tempted to prefer just plain old "Vatican" as the name, because it's English & more common. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:09, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

 * The Vatican is actually a separate country so the infobox should say, and while it is surrounded by Rome, it is not technically part of Rome. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 121.45.136.211 (talk • contribs)

 * Please stop edit warring. As Wikivoyage works by consensus, it is inappropriate to simply assert your view and start making edits contrary to the existing consensus. This proposal was up for half a year here and at Talk:Rome. It's now implemented. If you disagree and would like this changed, it's incumbent upon you to make arguments for your case and persuade people here to move away from the existing consensus. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:09, 12 November 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Vaud Alps

Is this a region?
Cleaning up after a rather overzealous B&B web site owner who created this article. From a quick search on Google this one looks like a region, but if it isn't could someone please update the template? -- (WT-en) Wrh2 04:46, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * It's a sub region of the Lake Geneva Region, basically the alpine part of the canton of Vaud. -- (WT-en) Mark 05:02, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:Vava'u

Comments
Is this article about Neiafu or Vava'u? While it is a region article about an island group, not just a single island, almost all the sleep listings are in and around Neiafu. The articles could be merged or the listings put in the appropriate articles. Perhaps with there being an island group article, an island article then Neiafu, if there is enough distinguishing content. - (WT-en) Huttite 06:20, 9 December 2009 (EST)

 * Having put a lot of work into Vava'u in the past two days you can imagine that I am not well pleased to see what you have done to the page. Vava'u is a group of islands, of which Neiafu is the capital. I believe that Neiafu should be merged into Vava'u, not the other way round. For such a small area it doesn't make sense to have two separate articles. Several of the hotels listed are on islands and are not in Neiafu. All the things to do, which I was going to list but am now thinking twice about, are out in the bay, not in Neiafu. (WT-en) Shep 07:34, 9 December 2009 (EST)

 * Good work on this article Shep. Huttite: does it really need further regionalising? Is there enough material to make a bunch of valid articles of hanging off a two tier subregion of Tonga?  I really have no idea as I have zero knowledge of the Tongan island groups. I do think though that sometimes we create sub regional structures when they are not necessary and this has the effect of diluting content and creating more and more of those unloved sub-region articles. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:54, 9 December 2009 (EST)

 * In my opinion the Neiafu and other towns ahould each have their own separate article to contain all the sleep listings. We don't have sleep listings for regions, which the Vava'u article purports to be. While you might be writing in the Vava'u article, everything in the article seems to be about one town, Neiafu. I think that there is enough content to make 2 articles, in the end, but most of the Vava'u content should be merged into the Neiafu. Which is why I tagged this article for the merger, and not Neiafu. The article about Neiafu serves a different purpose to a regional article about the Vava'u island group - which should list all the inhabitable islands and the major towns in the group under region and city sections, not the Get out section, where these seem to be at the moment. I don't have a problem with the content, I just question if it is being put together in the right place in the right article.
 * My basic concern is that when I read the Vava'u article, I feel I should be reading that information in the Neiafu article, and Vava'u doesn't tell me about much else in the Vava'u island goup than Neiafu.
 * Please read Project:Geographical hierarchy, Project:Article templates and compare the Project:Region article template with theProject:Small city article template and notice that regions do not have sleep sections but "cities" (i.e. towns, villages) do, then think how to plunge forward. Discuss your solution here if you wish. - (WT-en) Huttite 08:37, 9 December 2009 (EST)

 * I think we need some common sense here. The population of the whole of Tonga is about 110,000.  It is absolutely tiny. Regional articles just to keep things tidy and to obey rules about where sleep listings should go is in my opinion exactly what Wikivoyage should not do. And this is dealt with in Project:Geographical hierarchy, to quote: "Levels in the hierarchy can be skipped if they don't make sense. For example, the country of Andorra is only a few square miles in size; it would be laughable to write articles about its different regions." --(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:23, 9 December 2009 (EST)
 * Naturally I agree with the immediate above. I do get the feeling that sometimes Wikivoyage gets hung up with form rather than content, viz the discussions about my pages on lakes in Lazio, Italy. Note that I have followed the Vava'u approach in Ha'apai. The main town there is absolutely tiny and it would not make sense to have a separate article. I lived in Tonga for a couple of years, a long time ago. But one thing I can remember is that no one on Tongatapu would ever say "we are going to Neiafu". It was always "we are going to Vava'u".(WT-en) Shep 11:14, 9 December 2009 (EST)

Remaining tasks
This article was nominated for an Off the Beaten Path feature. Its nomination will probably be slushed soon, unless a map and some content in the "Connect" section are added. So your mission, if you choose to perform it... Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:29, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Map created and added. Let me know of changed required. --Saqib (talk) 15:24, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I just noticed this one and it'd be really cool to have a (our first ever!) DotM/OtBP from the Pacific Islands. I'll try to google some information about telecommunications in Tonga. Meanwhile, Saqib, otherwise the map is good but there are two things about it; places (in this case villages) are usually marked with black dots and as this article is about a tropical island I would prefer some happier color (light green?). ϒpsilon (talk) 16:10, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Damn! the source file of the map is missing. I thought it was saved when I close the application in hurry but I just found it was not. --Saqib (talk) 16:31, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Inkscape and XQuartz... ϒpsilon (talk)
 * Now I've put some stuff in the Connect section. It's all from third party sites of course... Today I've learned that in Tonga there aren't really personal Internet connections but just WiFi hotspots. And the one firm operating many of those on Vava'u is allegedly for sale (facepalm). ϒpsilon (talk) 19:33, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry this is off-topic. While you expressed either disappointment, shock, or surprise in your comment above, a (face palm) is actually a positive gesture in some parts of India and Pakistan to show respect and used as a greeting so I decided to start a travel topic which would be very useful to travellers. --Saqib (talk) 20:24, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Tongan: "Nearest Internet: one hour away by plane or something and even there it's expensive and slow" Tourist: Hello! Nice to meet you! :). Yes, Gestures can be a really useful travel topic. BTW "thumbs up" is rude in Gambia and perhaps somewhere else too (was it somewhere in the Middle East?). ϒpsilon (talk) 21:01, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I guess only in Iran and Afghanistan, thumbs-up is considered offensive to some extent but in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and UAE, it is not considered offensive. I don't know about rest of the Muslim world. --Saqib (talk) 21:08, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Veerse Meer

Veerse Meer
A map is needed of the lake to place it in context with the rest of Zealand and some of the main towns. There is one on Wikipedia, but not too sure about the licensing.

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Talk:Travel as a vegetarian

Untitled
Umf. Is this really an article? (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:37, 7 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * It seems like a useful travel topic, but I don't like the name -- (WT-en) Mark 08:40, 7 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * Perhaps this should be called something like Travel tips for those with special dietary requirements. It could cover a wide range of dietary requirements from those who are Vegetarians and Vegans as a lifestyle choice, to Kosher and Hal-Al etc. for religious reasons, all the way through to medical or health diets, such as salt free, gluten free, or allergic reactions to nuts or other foods. -- (WT-en) Huttite 09:34, 7 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * Hmm, I agree (as a semi-veg myself) that this could be useful, but I'm not sure how to package it. So far we have been adding veggie information to the Eat sections of countries/regions and specific veggie-friendly restaurants to city articles. I'm just wondering how different diet issue when traveling than, say, going out when at home or eatting at someone elses house. Everything I can think of is going to be country/region/city-specific anyway, so maybe it's just best delt with on destination pages? I just hate to see place-specific info get clumped together away from the place articles... (WT-en) Majnoona 11:44, 7 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * I also want to say I already disagree with the text-- the UK is not what comes to mind when thinking of veggie-friendly places. Southeast Asia, southern India, most of the US (certainly the West Coast)... and even most of Europe is pretty easy these days... Anyway, just more to the point that it's going to be hard to sum up general travel/diet tips that aren't destination-specific... 11:46, 7 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * I would actually disagree with the comments immediatly above. In the UK many restaurants mark vegetarian food as being such with a Green 'V'. I've never seen that in Europe. I've also had to resort to specifically vegetarian restaurants in Madrid for example (at least in order to eat anything more appitizing than cheese on toast. I'd agree that possibly special dietary requirements is a more appropriate name, I didn't really think about Hal-al etc. Also in response to another comment - I'd say diet whilst travelling is different as there's a language barrier and different cultures to deal with aswell. I do however agree that this shouldn't contain country specific information so maybe this isn't the best place for it - (WV-en) sjeapes

 * I concur. The UK is very Vegi-friendly esp. compared with Spain (though Barcelona has had a bit of a vegi-friendly renaissance in the last few years.)  Sometimes it seems to me that a lot of folks like to talk about UK dining based on some old pre-conceptions which were probably true as recently as the 80s but definitly are not any longer. -- (WT-en) Mark 06:38, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

 * This article survived a vfd, and I'm not sure why that thread is not here, but wasn't there some degree of consensus to retitle it "Travel as a vegetarian"? Would everyone support such a name change, given that this is not merely about food but about eating as part of travelling? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:27, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

 * I will plunge forward and make the change. If anyone objects, please speak up. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:11, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Suggestions for vegetarian restaurants abroad websites
>>Suggestions for vegetarian restaurants abroad websites??

I try to cover the topic as best I can for all of the places I visit (and thus can write about). I'd like to encourage my fellow Wikivoyagers to put a tiny amount of effort into it, even those of you who are not yourselves vegi. -- (WT-en) Mark 06:38, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

Vows?
I rolled back the addition of the suggestion that you should make a "vow" regarding your eating habits. I don't think this suggestion is really travel-related and Project:The traveller comes first around here. Please feel free to discuss, of course. (WT-en) Maj 23:33, 17 January 2007 (EST)

Link keeps on being deleted
Why does the link to the vegetarian restaurant finder keep on being deleted? I'd say it's equally, if not more, important to be able to find vegan/vegetarian as to know phrases to use for telling that you're a vegan. If I keep adding it wrong, please, could you add it for me, or at least tell me what I'm doing wrong? --78.102.107.177 01:13, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Have a look at Project:External links. We don't want wikivoyage to link to information and other guides, because we want that information here.  Please feel free to add any vegetarian/vegan restaurants and information to the destination guides.  --(WT-en) inas 01:23, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

why extlink for phrases?
I wonder why this link is here, despite our extlinks policy?

Another source of very brief listings of what vegans eat/don't eat, in many different languages, is available from the International Vegetarian Union's list of phrases.

--(WT-en) DenisYurkin 12:21, 12 December 2010 (EST)

 * What do we think about this? Should we keep this link as an exception to our external links policy, in the interest of vegetarian travelers? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:39, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

 * They could be added to our phrasebooks in each language, but as the sentences that are presented are not the same for each language, they are just written in Latin script and some languages like Chinese would benefit of some pronunciation advice it would mean additional work or adding inconstancies. Probably the best solution is to just keep the link. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:28, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

 * I have no objection to that. Any other views? Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:38, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

How to make this a Guide
What do you think would need to be added or changed in order to turn this article into a Guide? Information about more parts of the world would be a good start. Anyone want to write about vegetable dishes in various Latin American countries, Sub-Saharan Africa and some European countries not specifically mentioned, for example? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:30, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

 * At least well known vegetarian dishes around the world and issues you can run into if you are bringing your own food (e.g. this is a sure way to get a fine in Australia even before leaving the airport, and I think it's true for many other countries too). ϒpsilon (talk) 12:03, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

 * As for Nicaragua I know of two things: First "No como carne" (Literally: I don't eat meat) will get you an offer of chicken, as "carne" is understood to mean pork (chancho/puerco) or beef (res) but not chicken (pollo) which for some reason is considered "something else". Saying "soy vegetariano" on the other hand might get you blank stares, especially outside of Granada, León, Managua and the more touristy places like San Juan del Sur. If however you find yourself in e.g. the Rio San Juan region and have successfully communicated your desire to avoid meat, you will most likely have a choice of rice and beans or gallo pinto (rice and beans fried together). Plantains and fruits are also a common option, as are dairy products (though "yellow cheese" is not all that common). Another problem is that the fat stuff is fried in may or may not be of plant origin and it may or may not have been used to fry other things in it before... However, there are some ok veggie places in León (student hotbed) Granada (expat city) Managua (capital, city of more than a million) or the more expensive touristy places like SJDS or some resorts and mybe even Estelí Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:59, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

VJML=Vegan?
Are we sure that VJML meals are vegan? Jains do consume milk products. They just stay away from egg, mushroom and root vegetables. — Ravikiran (talk) 08:49, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, we should remove vegan, as the meals may contain dairy products. Danapit (talk) 09:45, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Probably depends on the airline. In the US, you'd probably be lucky to get some plain steamed vegetables. But yeah, we don't want to give people the wrong idea. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:46, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Hiatus
This article is currently written for a vegetarian who is hell-bent on maintaining their diet regardless of how much they may inconvenience or offend others, even to the point of making up fake diseases, but I think a section about what a vegetarian will miss out on, more serious talks about offending locals and being a royal pain to restaurant employees, the fact that you may NOT be accommodated, etc. and the consideration of perhaps leaving your vegetarianism at home is worth adding to the article. Sure, staunch vegetarians will say they "cannot" do such a thing however, there are many vegetarians that do this when they travel. It allows them to appreciate the local food culture and cuisine to the fullest, it makes friendships and relations easier in cultures or situations where you are going to be invited into people's homes (it's particularly good advice in host family situations where vegetarians are often extreme burdens), and just makes traveling less stressful when you don't have to interrogate restaurant staff or wander around trying to figure out where you can eat. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 15:18, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * While I understand your point, we should be careful about phrasing. Anyone who easily considers to "leave their vegetarianism at home" is perhaps more a flexitarian than a vegetarian to start with - at least to most vegetarians. Now I don't care about semantics, but we need to take into account that for large parts of the target group of this article, these things are important. If we'd just plainly add the information you suggest, I imagine many vegetarians will feel the article doesn't really understand the topic it's talking about, and might loose relevance. Most vegetarians have had plenty of thought about their dietary choices. We should avoid advice from Captain Obvious. They e.g.know that they cannot indulge in all parts of local cuisine. That is also true at home. Of course, this can all be cured with careful wording, I just want to point out that it requires some thought. JuliasTravels (talk) 16:26, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Further to what JuliasTravels says, my take on this is that people who are vegetarians for basic reasons of personal ethics or religion are not going to appreciate a suggestion for them to go against those deeply-held principles or beliefs, just because it would somehow be more convenient for them to eat the products of killed animals during a trip. Would you also suggest that Orthodox Jews should chuck kashrut during a trip and not worry about some lard or shrimp paste getting into their food? I hope not. The fact that people might not accommodate a visitor's diet restrictions, however, is a completely valid and important point, and if it can be stated with greater clarity, please go ahead and do that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:00, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not really talking about religious reasons. I find that people who have religious dietary restrictions tend to be more aware of the fact that their diet is their own responsibility and that not everyone understands it, while people who are vegetarians for other reasons often seem to think that saying "I'm vegetarian" should always be enough, refusing food on those grounds should not be an issue for other parties even in a home setting where the foreigner (the vegetarian) is the guest, become indignant when staff seem unable to accommodate or understand why they're "so picky", etc. In the end one's vegetarianism, regardless of reason, is their OWN responsibility, so if it's important to them, they should do their research to AVOID some of the situations that this article suggests are either possibly difficult (like the home setting) or not really a problem even though it often is (like having a pow wow with restaurant staff just to figure out what you can eat).
 * Of course wording is important, and if the idea of hiatus is brought up, it should be said with something regarding personal consideration of what it would mean to you to "leave it at home" rather than a firm suggestion and perhaps insert any appropriate terms for this kind of person if they fit, as you suggested. Still, I find that a lot of vegetarian writings, including this page, tend to focus a lot on ME, ME, ME and what everyone else can do for me with not enough focus on how difficult, frustrating, and offensive they really can be for those they interact with. An Australian woman in Vietnam getting indignant with staff because the food they recommended was not vegetarian even after she "explained" it to them, even to the point of using the silly phrase, "It's not a choice! It's a lifestyle!" (it happened) is extremely rude and ignorant. I have seen similar behavior in Japan. Meanwhile, staff are trying their best to understand the customer as they're getting yelled at and insulted. Host family situations are probably out-of-scope, but a lot of vegetarians who do homestays in Japan report that their families were accommodating and they leave with good memories but would probably be quite sad to learn how much the families complained about them to everyone including the exchange organization and were very happy to see them leave. Of course they don't let the student know, but it's one of the most common complaints from host families.
 * In many places, the option of being vegetarian would only be possible for the privileged, which is why most non-religious vegetarians are found in wealthy countries and vegetarianism is relatively (or completely) unheard of in many developing countries. It's something that I think the traveler ought to give some thought to prior to fussing and throwing tantrums abroad and acting like places that cannot accommodate them are "backwards" or "discriminatory". ChubbyWimbus (talk) 03:43, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining further. A lot of what you're describing reminds me of the complaints friends of mine in the food industry have about people who have no good health reason to avoid gluten but make a lot of trouble for restaurant staff because they've decided to selectively, sometimes avoid gluten for no good reason (and then eat some of the bread in the bread basket or order pasta). But what it really amounts to is bad behavior, and I seriously doubt anything we put in an article is going to cause assholes to behave like nice, considerate people. I get your point, though: If you're vegetarian not because of a firmly held religious or ethical belief, nor on the advice of a doctor that any amount of animal products would threaten your health, then yes, you should consider relaxing your usual dietary restrictions while you're in situations in which strict vegetarianism would be difficult. So go ahead and write something that's carefully phrased to deal with people whose vegetarian diet is not really fundamental to their identity but just a preference. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:53, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
 * To your more general points: I think it's bad if our articles ignore the difficulties of hosts while concentrating only on the convenience of the visitor. Please discuss this with some specifics in the talk pages of other articles where you find this to be a problem, or if there are too many such articles, start a thread in the Pub with links to all the articles where you think that's a problem. We should be encouraging responsible tourism, not assholery or inconsideration. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:58, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I took a stab at altering the previous tone in certain sections to try and emphasize some of the feelings I and you have listed above however, I'm unsure about exactly where or how to add the information about the "hiatus". It kind of relates to the cultural but kind of feels like it should get its own section. As another note, veganism should be a separate heading, because advice to vegans should be strong regarding how they can expect cultural interactions to go. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:19, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I thought you did a good job, so I'd say, keep going with whatever else (within reason, of course) you would like to say. If it gets too long or too pointed, it can always be edited. If you'd rather do some further work in your sandbox or by putting proposed new text here for discussion, those are options open to you, too. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:30, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I DO like the additions by ChubbyWimbus a lot. They make complete sense and bring more balance to the article. Being confronted with a situation when one has to decide between breaking "own inner rules / standards" and possibly hurting or offending guests is a frequent moment in a life of a vegetarian. Sometimes choosing a less self-centered approach and relax a bit in own dietary requirements is a great recommendation. Danapit (talk) 18:04, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

(indent) Okay, I've added the suggestion of taking a break with some of what I've seen/heard from vegetarians who have done it as well as some of my own thoughts. Please let me know what you think and any suggestions for improving/altering it. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 12:29, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I appreciate your doing this. I'm content to think about your remarks without jumping to any quick conclusions. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:18, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Possible source
Check later: http://www.ridiculouslyextraordinary.com/how-to-travel-as-a-vegan/ —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:36, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Another one: https://www.fluentin3months.com/travelling-vegetarian/ —Granger (talk · contribs) 17:54, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Which colors are those dots?
Okay, so the text below in the article says they are green and red, but to me they look green and brown. Is it me not wearing my glasses or what's the issue here? Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:58, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It's pretty brown to me and I don't have color blindness. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:02, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Brown :) Danapit (talk) 09:18, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Any use?
Another travel guide has Mapped: The most vegetarian-friendly countries in the world. I think they are dead wrong on some of it (for example Pakistan has lots of vegetarian food but they rate it in the lowest category), but can some of their data be used to improve our article? Pashley (talk) 14:38, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe for inspiration. I agree that the metrics are a bit suspect but it's a good idea to hi-lite vegetarianism globally with a visual. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:20, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I also think they're wrong about Malaysia. There may be a fair number of vegetarians there, so you can get vegetarian home cooking if you know some of them, I suppose, but it's likely to be quite hard to find vegetarian food outside of cities that have South Indian restaurants, as Malay food typically includes belacan or little dried shrimps in vegetable dishes, and the little shrimps are common in Chinese restaurants, too. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:27, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Melbourne in the west?
Why is Melbourne in the In the West section? We are not a western country and I don't think we would be anytime soon. SHB2000 (talk)  10:51, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Is Melbourne in a high income secular/Christian country that was on the US's side during the Cold War? If yes, then it is in one very common definition of "The West" Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:49, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

 * That was a long time ago, the only city that I'd consider in Australia as "western" is Adelaide. SHB2000 (talk)  02:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

 * Not Perth? ;-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:38, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

 * Maybe Gina Rinehart ;) SHB2000 (talk)  04:23, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Veg-friendly air travel

Whilst this might be a valid travel topic, the title is strange.

First, Wikivoyage positively discourages lists, so to have a an article titled as a list is contrary to stated policy.

Second, "veg" would read much better as "vegetarian".

I suggest the article is moved to Vegetarian-friendly airlines.--(WT-en) burmesedays 05:09, 3 October 2011 (EDT)

Thanks for the feedback.

Concerning your first point, I didn't think it out enough. "Veg-friendly air travel" would be probably more appropriate and in line with editorial policies. I'll make the switch right now.

As for the second point, although the term "veg" is a bit ugly it includes both vegetarians and vegans. "Vegetarian" wouldn't cater to vegans although they are the harshest-treated on airlines and the most in need of such a list.

(WT-en) Rdavout 08:17, 3 October 2011 (EDT)

 * I also think this would be better addressed using the name Vegetarian-friendly airlines. Any vegans that are about are very likely to look there.
 * I suggest that a section is then established within the travel topic that deals with veganism and airline travel.-- (WT-en) felix 09:43, 3 October 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Velankanni

Velankanni
It us a stub about a church. (WT-en) AHeneen 12:30, 25 December 2008 (EST)

 * Keep. Appears to be a sizable town (~10,000) and a pilgrimage destination: . (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:17, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Result: Keep. Valid stub for a village in India. (WT-en) LtPowers 09:41, 28 January 2009 (EST)

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Talk:Veliko Tarnovo

Why do you always delete the info I add? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 79.100.151.135 (talk • contribs)

 * As far as I can see from the revision history of the page, your edits are still there. There is probably a cache problem, which you can solve by going into the "edit" window, and clicking the "Purge Cache for this page." at the very bottom of it. If that's too much of a hassle, just click here, which will provide the same action. – (WT-en) Vidimian 08:58, 24 May 2010 (EDT)

Renaming Veliko Turnovo
I believe we should rename Veliko Turnovo's page name as Veliko Tarnovo, as that tends to be the most common English transliteration of the name found in guide books, travel websites, and even Wikipedia. I think that we should put Veliko Turnovo in the "also written as" part, since it is less-commonly written. Donaudamphschifffahrtselektrizitätenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft (talk) 18:04, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

 * It's fine with me for the article to be moved on that basis. Go ahead. Leave a redirect from the current article name. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:59, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

 * I changed all of the instances of Veliko Turnovo into Veliko Tarnovo, but I can't figure out how to change the PageBanner or the Page Name and Link. Donaudamphschifffahrtselektrizitätenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft (talk) 02:51, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

 * Do you see "More" at the top of the page, to the right of Read   Edit    Add topic    View history? If you click it, "Move" is 2nd in the dropdown list. You would click that, change the name, select for the associated talk page to be changed, and make sure to keep a redirect from the current pagename. If you don't see these options or can't do it, just let me know and I'll take care of it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:09, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

 * Alright, I changed the Name of the page. But when I type in Veliko T... into the search bar it still only pops up with Veliko Turnovo. How do I change that? Donaudamphschifffahrtselektrizitätenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft (talk) 03:43, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

 * Thanks. On your question, I have no idea. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:48, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

 * FYI it is only doing this on the computer version. The Voyageur app lists Veliko Tarnovo as their option. Donaudamphschifffahrtselektrizitätenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft (talk) 03:52, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

 * It's doing it on my laptop, too. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:13, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

 * Maybe it's just my laptop. I'll try from my PC. Donaudamphschifffahrtselektrizitätenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft (talk) 04:26, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * It's coming up as Veliko Turnovo on my PC as well. Donaudamphschifffahrtselektrizitätenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft (talk) 04:30, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Venezuela

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Venezuela/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.

Administrative divisions and ports

 * Administrative divisions : 23 states, 1 capital district* (distrito capital), and 1 federal dependency** (dependencia federal); Amazonas, Anzoátegui, Apure, Aragua, Barinas, Bolívar, Carabobo, Cojedes, Delta Amacuro, Dependencias Federales**, Distrito Capital*, Falcón, Guárico, Lara, Mérida, Miranda, Monagas, Nueva Esparta, Portuguesa, Sucre, Táchira, Trujillo, Vargas, Yaracuy, Zulia note: the federal dependency consists of 11 federally controlled island groups with a total of 72 individual islands

 * Ports and harbors : Amuay, Bajo Grande, El Tablazo, La Guaira, La Salina, Maracaibo, Matanzas, Palua, Puerto Cabello, Puerto la Cruz, Puerto Ordaz, Puerto Sucre, Punta Cardón.

This information doesn't belong in the country article, but may be of use when sorting out Venezuela's geographical hierarchy. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 15:02, 10 June 2007 (EDT)

Respect & Politics
I spent the whole month of February in Venezuela both and I found no problem what so ever when speaking about politics with people on the street and in other public environment - on the contrary I where often myself asked where I stood and could frequently easdrop (well that was unrepectful) on discussions about politics and news. ´´´´

Changes to "Eat"
I've been working on the Caracas Wikivoyage site and recently edited the "Eat" section for clarity and information. Cheers! —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Laurenlp (talk • contribs)

The people in Venezuela eats a lot of great foods. They have a lunch which means the whole family has to be there for this dinner. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 216.77.166.183 (talk • contribs)

Prices in bolivares
Given the hyperinflation, any prices listed in bolivares that do not identify their dates, or were posted more than six months ago are completely meaningless. We should just remove them. Any comments? Ground Zero (talk) 20:19, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm going to ask the question again, especially now that the articles states blunted that the prices are outdated. Why include them? Ground Zero (talk) 00:48, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I have removed them from this article. Ground Zero (talk) 03:17, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Sorry I missed this, but I'd agree that pricing information is useless. Should we do the same for Caracas? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 05:03, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Wikidata items for dynamic map
To the right is the map with all Wikidata items for the states of Venezuela. This should simplify the work in case we want to change the district set-up in the future. The tool Wikidata Extractor has been used to create the mapshapes. --Renek78 (talk) 09:40, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

History
The history section is highly subjective and reads poorly. A summary without bias is necessary. —The preceding comment was added by 70.45.186.177 (talk • contribs)

 * Hi, 70.45.186.177, and welcome! I moved your post to the end of the page, which is where new posts on talk pages go, and "signed" for you - please type 4 tildes at the end of each post you make to a talk page.

 * The standard here is Be fair - not a neutral point of view like in Wikipedia, but we like to avoid political disputes on Wikivoyage whenever possible, though it's sometimes necessary to report on them to some extent when they occur in possible travel destinations. I don't take a position on how biased or unbiased that section was or is, but if it's unfair, indeed, please change it in any way that makes it fairer. If any of your changes are controversial, they can be discussed here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:25, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Venezuela mapshape
Not all of Venezuela is showing up on the dynamic mapshape. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 15:30, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I have checked, and it is still not working. Should a Phabricator entry be created? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 20:05, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Just checked one of the missing mapshapes with help of the OSM Relation Analyzer. At least this one is a closed contour in OSM. So the problem seems to be related to the Kartographer extension.--Renek78 (talk) 20:06, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Currency, time and spelling conventions
Below is a proposed infobox to let readers know which formatting conventions to use in Wikivoyage articles. Do you agree with these proposals? If you have direct knowledge of what is most commonly used in the country, please let us know. Ground Zero (talk) 16:44, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

 * Moved to the top of this article. Ground Zero (talk) 12:46, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

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Removing WarningBox
@Brycehughes, I would encourage you to seek consensus before you start removing WarningBoxes because you don't agree with them. Cyali (talk) 08:36, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

 * The same could be said the other way around, too. There is no consensus for either removing or keeping the box so Consensus applies here. Can we please discuss this before reinstating the warningbox (if ever)? -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:38, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Crime is very high in Venezuela, is it not? That should be a reason for at least a cautionbox, if so. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:58, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm indifferent on whether to have a cautionbox or warningbox but would like to have some proper discussion first. I think I slightly favour a cautionbox over crime or a warningbox but in the Stay safe section, not at the top of the article. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 09:31, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Isn't crime very high in the United States, too? The same could be said for a lot of countries. I don't think this is an appropriate use of a warning box. The lack of consular services, also, is not a life-endangering condition. This should be a caution box. Ground Zero (talk) 09:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm now fully convinced in favour of a caution box instead (and in "Stay safe", not at the top of the article). -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 09:49, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

 * The discussion linked in an edit summary has been swept to Template talk:Warningbox. – —The preceding comment was added by LPfi (talk • contribs) 12:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

 * I don't think the crime rate in the U.S. is comparable to the crime rate in Venezuela. However, if people felt that it was high enough to justify a cautionbox, so be it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:02, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Maybe it does in some areas, but definitely not in the country article. Similar analogy applies here. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 13:05, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I am mistaken. Looking only at the murder rate as a proxy, the rate in Venezuela is 3 times that of the U.S. (19.4 vs 6.4 per 100,000 people). Absent evidence that tourists are particularly targeted, though, I don't agree that a warning box is warranted Ground Zero (talk) 13:16, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Might be a warningbox is not warranted, but a warning is – also for the US (and Lesotho, Bahamas, Puerto Rico, … unless tourists are less targeted than locals). The USA has more than five times the homicide rate of any of the Nordic countries, more than ten times that of Iceland and Norway (according to w:List of countries by intentional homicide rate). Over here, getting killed is not something one needs to worry about, unless one has a violent husband or lives in the wrong circles – that it is a real risk in some dark alleys abroad is not obvious. –LPfi (talk) 15:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * One reason why to use "commons sense" is not good advice. The needed sense is not common in all countries. –LPfi (talk) 15:13, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Dangers don't have to be restricted to tourists to be valid warnings. There's a reason so many people are fleeing from Venezuela, and crime is part of it. Venezuelans have stated as much. And again, I'm calling for at least a cautionbox, not necessarily a warningbox, but I think particularly high-crime countries or areas warrant a warning for that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:52, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I think discussion in Stay safe is sufficient -- that's what it's there for. But I can live with a caution box. Ground Zero (talk) 17:10, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * +1. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 21:00, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * As long as there is sufficiently high visibility for the warnings in question, I'm good. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:42, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Wow that was a lot of notifications. If we want a box-of-shame for crime, fine. But the rest of the stuff (infrastructure? clogged toilets?) is just insulting.
 * An aside: it's not really possible to compare crime statistics across countries due to reporting differences both cultural and bureaucratic, nor is it even very easy to compare within one country over time for many countries. The UN comparison stats are pretty junky. Moreover using homicide rates as a proxy for violent crimes on tourists is pretty problematic. Brycehughes (talk) 23:07, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You are right that the statistics can be misleading (although for the UK, I assume there are knowledgable people doing their best) and that using such proxies for drawing conclusions is problematic. However, the rates do tell something and could be an alert to do some other research and a hint that reports on high crime rates are serious. –LPfi (talk) 08:43, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I wasn't using the proxy statistic as the basis for including or not including a warning box. I was using it to withdraw the question I had asked, "Isn't crime very high in the United States, too?" The burden if proof for withdrawing my own question should be so high as to warrant a discussion on the legitimacy of statistics. Ground Zero (talk) 09:03, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry it was more a nerdy aside rather than impeaching anything you were saying. Brycehughes (talk) 15:15, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Venice

Financial police!?
What the heck!!! "Italian law requires customers to retain receipts and you could (in theory) be stopped by the Financial Police and asked to show receipts for your purchases." Seriously? Show me ONE case where it happened. I've heard a lot of bad things about Venice, but I've NEVER heard of anyone being stopped by Financial Police! What SHOULD be said is a warning not to buy counterfeit products. Buying a Gucci purse from a street "merchant" for 30 euro may seem luring but if you're caught in the act the Italian law goes into action - the BUYER of counterfeit goods is punished not the seller. And, as they say in Italy, where there is "abuso", there is "penale". Le Grand Bleu (talk) 16:34, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your edit. Please add the warning. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:13, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Printing in Venice
Hi, this is to argue about this revert. Places with poster printing facilities in Venice were surprisingly hard to find (especially with no knowledge of Italian), it took us several hours and multiple attempts, so I thought it worthwhile to include the information here. The reason why I'm listing poster printing in a travel guide is because this is useful for professional trips to conferences. If you think this is useful, please feel free to add it back. --A3nm (talk) 01:11, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

 * That seems like a good argument, but I'm unsure, and especially about listing only one. Let's see what other people say. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:54, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Sleeper trains to Venice
I know some of them still exist, but which? It would also be really nice to have links to the railroad(s) running them. Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:40, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

The redlinks in "orientation"
Are they important? If not, can we get rid of them? If yes, why are they red? If this wants to be featured, we should probably do something there... Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:13, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I've created a stub article for Mazzorbo. Nothing by way of listings yet. Ground Zero (talk) 12:59, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I've expanded that article, and created one for Sant'Erasmo. Ground Zero (talk) 00:55, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Districtification?
While Venice is small by land area and not enormous by population, it is filled by interesting venues and historical buildings. The city has six sestiere (boroughs). /Yvwv (talk) 10:16, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Aaaaaaaaannnnd, that proposal went nowhere, sigh. Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:38, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Metropolitan Venice
The Metropolitan Venice article contains very little information beyond the trivial. It needs to be expanded. /Yvwv (talk) 17:39, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Does it need to be expanded or merged somewhere? Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:41, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Mapframe + Mapshape's
The Mapshape's that come with the Mapframe do not show the correct areas for the Sestieri of Venice. --FredTC (talk) 11:58, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I found out how to get additional mapshape's for Cannaregio, Castello, Dorsoduro and San Marco. I could not do this for Santa Croce, because there was no Mapshape available for the Cruise Terminal area. --FredTC (talk) 10:41, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

New page banner
I think the current banner looks boring. It doesn't display those strong colors Venice has. Especially in later hours. Also Santa Maria della Salute is cropped out in the current banner which is bad. Jankela121 (talk) 16:46, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I like this proposal more than the current banner. Ground Zero (talk) 17:25, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It's an improvement, but I'd really like one from the perspective of one of Venice's canals, perhaps looking toward the bridge? There must be many amazing pictures of the city on Commons. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 21:08, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Both the current banner and this suggestion are good. I think this suggestion is somewhat better. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:11, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Changes post-COVID?
Another travel site has Venice unveils plan to introduce entry fees and electronic turnstiles for tourists. Pashley (talk) 12:04, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

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Districts
I have plunged forward and created the first district article for San Polo. It is one of the sestieri and it felt easiest because it had the fewest listings. I feel it's important to start on districts since the main page is massive. I'm heading to Venice in October (hopefully!) and for me it was pretty hard to use the main page. In Venice proper it seems fine to use the sestieri as districts and listings could be duplicated until we manage to clean up the main page. I don't mind creating a couple of more districts and moving listings. However, adding flavor text will take a lot of time. --Jonte-- (talk) 13:48, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * How excellent! I remember doing the same about Saint Petersburg about ten years ago, before I went; I arrived very prepared and knowledgeable. Mo'power to ya. --Ibaman (talk) 14:06, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

New banner
How about this one? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:03, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support. I like how the new banner gives one the feeling of being in the city rather than merely floating above it from a distance. Nelson Ricardo 2500 (talk) 16:24, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support, per Nelson Ricardo. Ground Zero (talk) 16:33, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support, but the article's lead image (also showing the Rialto Bridge) will have to be changed. Mock up (with current lead photo) here.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:35, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I, too, prefer the new banner, but I hope the existing banner can be put to good use, perhaps in one of the new district articles that will be created. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:24, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 21:52, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

 * ✅ SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:28, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Districtification
Here's my proposal for districts

Firstly, the six historic sestieri (districts)

 * Castello
 * Cannaregio
 * Dorsoduro
 * San Marco
 * San Polo
 * Santa Croce

The neighboring islands

 * Burano
 * Murano
 * Lido

Finally, the mainland part of Venice

 * Mestre

I think it's important to include both the islands and the mainland within the Venice article as most tourists does not visit for example Burano independently but as part of a visit to Venice. --Jonte-- (talk) 07:56, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

 * Thanks. About how many listings would you expect there to be in each article? And are the boundaries between the districts obvious? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:00, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

 * Torcello is also an important neighboring island. --FredTC (talk) 10:15, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Lookning at the map I think the districts are pretty logical and there should at least be 10 sights in each district. Today there's very few listings for restaurants and bars that easily could expand the districts. Jonte-- (talk) 11:10, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry I missed this. This seems reasonable to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:22, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Lookning at the map I think the districts are pretty logical and there should at least be 10 sights in each district. Today there's very few listings for restaurants and bars that easily could expand the districts. Jonte-- (talk) 11:10, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry I missed this. This seems reasonable to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:22, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Lookning at the map I think the districts are pretty logical and there should at least be 10 sights in each district. Today there's very few listings for restaurants and bars that easily could expand the districts. Jonte-- (talk) 11:10, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry I missed this. This seems reasonable to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:22, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Lookning at the map I think the districts are pretty logical and there should at least be 10 sights in each district. Today there's very few listings for restaurants and bars that easily could expand the districts. Jonte-- (talk) 11:10, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry I missed this. This seems reasonable to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:22, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Lookning at the map I think the districts are pretty logical and there should at least be 10 sights in each district. Today there's very few listings for restaurants and bars that easily could expand the districts. Jonte-- (talk) 11:10, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry I missed this. This seems reasonable to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:22, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Lookning at the map I think the districts are pretty logical and there should at least be 10 sights in each district. Today there's very few listings for restaurants and bars that easily could expand the districts. Jonte-- (talk) 11:10, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry I missed this. This seems reasonable to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:22, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Lookning at the map I think the districts are pretty logical and there should at least be 10 sights in each district. Today there's very few listings for restaurants and bars that easily could expand the districts. Jonte-- (talk) 11:10, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry I missed this. This seems reasonable to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:22, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

2022
Is someone going to finish this work? , perhaps? The current "half-finished" situation isn't tenable, so either someone needs to finish the job, or we move the district articles Jonte-- and created into their userspaces.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:35, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

 * I've added a districts section to the main page. Progress! Eventually... ButteBag (talk) 14:28, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

 * Thank you! The biggest job, which is what I mean by "finishing", is moving all the listings from the city article to the districts. If anything, I'd probably remove/hide the district list until that has been done.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:11, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Most listing, which are not under the See section have now been moved to districts. The main issue as I see it is that in order to removed See listings we need to add quite a lot of flavour text. I unfortunately do not have the time to do that. Perhaps texts from individual listings can be merged together. Jonte-- (talk) 18:09, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

ABM or ATM?
Hi, if these are same, and ABM is a Canadian term, why is ATM not used instead here? Wiki-uk (talk) 14:22, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

 * Please make the change. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:07, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Ready to feature?
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 * Not now. There are still movetodistrict tags. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 22:22, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * The same issue as below: banned user. –LPfi (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Venice with children

There is also a large section in Venice on Kids view of Venice. There is some duplication. Should it all go in this article? (WT-en) Shep 16:48, 14 February 2010 (EST)

 * There is nothing in this article that couldn't be covered by a couple of notes on the attractions in the main Venice article. Look at the restaurant section - spicy food?  bread sticks on the table at an extra charge, you have to tell your kids not to touch them?   --(WT-en) inas 17:12, 14 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Vercors

Berru and 129 130 88 105 are the same person: Myself...

GFDL
Please be aware that since the images being used in this article are GFDL, they cannot be used on Wikivoyage and have been nominated for deletion. See Project:Why Wikivoyage isn't GFDL and Wikivoyage:Cooperating with Wikipedia for discussions. The Project:Copyleft policy contains additional details, but the quicky summary is that all content must be public domain, licensed with the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0, or dual-licensed GFDL/CC-SA. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 21:46, 8 Jul 2005 (EDT)

O.K. I didn,t saw that... So sorry. Some of the pictures are mine, and I don't mind changing their licence to creative commons. That way there will be no problems. By the way, some photo website have simple mentions such as "these pictures can be copied granted the author name is mentionned. Is this compatible with creative commons? (WT-en) Berru 10:09, 11 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * Thanks for the clarification. Regarding content with licenses that might be compatible, I'm not a lawyer, but a good rule of thumb is that if there is any doubt about licensing then you should either contact the author and get explicit permission to use the content under CC-SA, or else just leave the questionable content out.  If an image is needed, since this is a wiki it's a good bet that someone will eventually add something that is licensed appropriately.

 * The Vercors article is coming along nicely, by the way. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 00:07, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * Thank you! (WT-en) Berru 11:24, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Get in
Hi. This article is looking really good, but I'd like to request a couple of things. First could you add more info about getting in from some slightly more far away places and bigger cities especially in France? Like how do I get there from Lyon or Avignon, or even Paris? How about from Turin or Valle d'Aosta on the other side of the mountains? Or perhaps from Annecy or even Geneva? Can I get there by train?

Thanks! -- (WT-en) Mark 00:38, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)

That is done! (WT-en) Berru 11:23, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * Thanks again. One thing though; I don't drive.  Is it impossible to get to Vercors without a car? -- (WT-en) Mark 11:38, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * I'm working on that right now. There are train stations in Valence, Grenoble and Die that are well deserved. Nevertheless, from there to the vercors iself, public transportation is scarse. (WT-en) Berru 18:05, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:Verdicchio

A delicious dry white wine that can be slightly carbonated. There are two regions that produce it, Matellica- with its rounder mineral body, and Jesi- with its cleaner crisp finish.

Reconnended for deletion for the same reason as Verdiccio

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Talk:Verdiccio

A delicious dry white wine that can be slightly carbonated. There are two regions that produce it, Matellica- with its rounder mineral body, and Jesi- with its cleaner crisp finish.

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Talk:Vereeniging

Comments
For some reason contact details seem to be difficult to find online for many of the see/do things here. I'll add the items without contact details for now and come back later to complete them when I do have those details. -- (WT-en) NJR_ZA 08:43, 12 February 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Vermilion (disambiguation)

VFD Discussion

 * Delete and redirect. There are two disambiguation pages: Vermilion (disambiguation) and Vermilion. --(WT-en) Bill in STL 23:51, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

Result: Redirected. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:09, 23 October 2010 (EDT)

title: Talk:Vermilion (disambiguation)