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Talk:First and business class flights

Eh, wouldn't this type of behaviour constitute a breach of contract even if it is not illegal as in criminal law? Do we really want to get our hands dirty with this sort of thing? I am not a lawyer, but if you have to "hide" your deal from your contract partner (airline) something can't be quite correct. --(WT-en) Nils 18:57, 25 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Perhaps this is something to go under common scams too. I feel the page is incomplete and probably should be part of a larger article about Airmiles or whatever they are called. It lacks surrounding context and is listed as a dead end page, and could be an orphan page too, if it didn't appear on the Main Page and in Travel topics.  I think it is a valid article on a travel related topic but its title makes it look like a commercial. Also see the discussion about this page on the Main Page - Talk page. -- (WT-en) Huttite 06:43, 26 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * No, hmmm, maybe I was not too clear. If the information in this article is correct, then it sounds a LOT like a breach of contract with the airline whose frequent flier ("air miles") system you are taking part in. I do not think that we would like to be part in that or give it credibility. It does not read like "information on a scam" but like "hey this is a neat trick everybody should try". -- (WT-en) Nils 06:14, 6 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Caps
I moved the page to an un-capped version of the name. --(WT-en) Evan 12:01, 6 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Scam Article?
Moved from Project:travellers' pub by (WT-en) Evan

Someone with a bit of legal background should check out First and Business Discounters. It sounds rather fraudulent to me. I would vote for removing the article in its current form entirely. -- (WT-en) Nils 06:18, 6 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Seems okay to me. What's wrong with it? (WT-en) Professorbiscuit

 * It's most likely a breach of contract with the airlines... Did you even read it? If it calls to "hide" the behaviour from the airline, then that can't be a good sign. -- (WT-en) Nils 08:46, 6 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * None of the sites listed on that page will even give you the time of day without your giving them personal information. I think it's a scam. -- (WT-en) Mark 09:04, 6 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * I think the article should be included in a more general article about Air Miles or Air Points and similar loyalty schemes offering discounted travel. See Talk:First and Business Discounters. -- (WT-en) Huttite 09:21, 6 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Why? Why why why would you include the article if it's a scam? Discussion of airline frequent traveller programs is one thing, advising our readers to breach the contracts with their airlines is a BIG no-no! In the current form, the information presented in the article is AT LEAST questionable. -- (WT-en) Nils 09:25, 6 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * I think you should probably do some research and edit the article itself. We also need to start an Project:illegal activity policy. I don't think stuff should be kept out of Wikivoyage just because it's illegal or questionable in one or another country. Everything is illegal somewhere, after all, and sometimes doing things that are technically illegal are the only way to get things done. --(WT-en) Evan 11:16, 6 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * It's probably a matter of civil law rather than criminal law (contract breach vs. fraud). I am not a lawyer. However, speaking for the more general case: If you allow one type of illegal content, then with what right would you take down material that is illegal in the US, but not other places? In fact, you actually seem to condone illegal activity in "some cases". So let's see, I could probably get many articles done quite quickly by copying material from some other website, or a paper based travel guide. If you don't allow that, but other cases, you'd be a hipocrite. Yes, it's a big can of worms. The only solution, of course, is to abide by the laws of your country of residence (and that of the webserver's location, if the two differ). And as a server operator you might still have to take down some content eventually (remember nazi memorabilia and yahoo france, a few years ago). -- (WT-en) Nils 13:14, 6 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * It's a huge can of worms, I agree, and I readily admit that I haven't thought it through (which is why the above is a missing link). But, as always, the traveller comes first. I don't think we want to put travellers in legal jeopardy, or advise them to do things that will possibly cost them serious time in the slammer or a lot of money. At the same time, if we leave illegal things out of the guide that travellers will hear about somewhere else, they might think it's OK.

 * I also think there's a difference between mentioning illegal activities and doing them ourselves. Copying protected works into Wikivoyage is different from referencing gay bars in Texas (which has anti-sodomy laws on the books). We should give info on illegal activities, even if the only info we give is "this is illegal".

 * I guess maybe the tack I'd take is harm reduction. Keep travellers informed, let them know the consequences, and let them make decisions on their own. --(WT-en) Evan 15:45, 6 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Fair enough, the article in its current form however basically says "this is a great idea, just don't get caught". And that is not the approach we are at liberty to take for illegal activities. It's difficult to find information on google on this subject, by the way (or I am using the wrong keywords). Of course we have to advise travellers on matters which will put them in jeopardy one way or another. That's the whole point of having a travel guide after all. -- (WT-en) Nils 04:29, 7 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * So, I'm listing the article on Project:articles needing attention, and hopefully we can get some more information on the topic. There's probably some info at airline industry Web sites, US Transportation agency, EU transportation agency... Let's start doing some research. --(WT-en) Evan 15:26, 11 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * I've looked into how we handle it. You can find the terms & conditions of Lufthansa's "Miles & More" frequent flyer program here. It quite clearly states that "Award documents may only be given as presents to individuals with whom the Member has a close personal relationship, e.g. friends and relatives, but may not be exchanged for other awards or cash.". Since these rules are dated as valid starting April 1st, 2004 (and certainly no april's fool joke), and I am confident that Lufthansa would have incorporated any EU/German court decisions, I think it's quite clear that at least in this example, miles may not be traded, exchanged, and so on. It becomes a breach of contract case, which will be a hassle to the traveller at least.

 * I don't think there's even any way to transfer Miles & More bonus point from one person to another.

 * As a next step, I will post a short notice on the article that the information is disputed, since it could perceivedly lead to problems for the traveller. -- (WT-en) Nils 09:16, 19 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * The article says that the airlines will take you off the plane if they find out you got your ticket from a f.&.b.d. If you dispute the information, put up some other information, rather than adding a "disputed" notice. --(WT-en) Evan 09:31, 19 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * I did. See Lufthansa terms & conditions. It's a breach of contract issue, at least in Germany. We can not advise our readers to break their legally binding contracts. If anybody disagrees, please provide links to back up your claims. I could not find anything that clearly states "this is okay because so-and-so". Just people who claim "it's legal" without backing it up. -- (WT-en) Nils 09:38, 19 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Okay, nevermind. I changed the article. I have rewritten it to describe the situation based on the verified information we do have.

Sorry, it was not supposed to be a "minor edit", as I turned the article upside down. I misclicked; too much sun on my computer screen... :-( -- (WT-en) Nils 09:55, 19 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Okay Evan - Now it's YOUR article. If you claim that it has been "tested in court", please provide a link to back this up. Seriously. I couldn't find one. -- (WT-en) Nils 10:21, 19 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * I'm working on trying to find links about the legality of the practice. Here's a couple I've found so far. Most agree that the practice violates the airline's policy, and a couple say it's illegal.

 * Forbes Magazine Dec 2003 article -- "Airlines have legitimized the practice"
 * MSN Money -- "ticket confiscated and account frozen"

 * We had an edit conflict and I overwrote your version with my longer one. I'll try to integrate your changes. --(WT-en) Evan 10:37, 19 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Lie flat vs. flat bed seats
Should we have a dedicated section discussing the differences between the 2 said seats? My understanding is as a rule of thumb, lie-flat seats are straight but not parallel to the floor and are likely to be found in business class. Flat-bed seats on the other hand are parallel to the floor, recline a full 180 degrees and are more likely to be found in first class. --210.5.110.56 04:23, 21 December 2006 (EST)
 * Isn't that pretty much what it says in the article? (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:30, 21 December 2006 (EST)

With a mature body, but one who can only fly "econo" (a few times 14-15 hours), I've often thought seat widths can seem almost as important as seat pitch/leg room...no suggestion here that legroom should be neglected. Regards,  Hennejohn (talk) 01:04, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

domestic vs. international first class
How different is domestic first class from long-haul and regional first class we know of? I like to think that internationally at least, first class is slowly being phased out by an enhanced business class as the article mentions but it looks like in some countries like the US, the first class section provided there will always be called first class. --210.5.110.56 05:12, 21 December 2006 (EST)

 * Isn't what also pretty much what it says in the article? US first class == Regional biz elsewhere. I don't know of any other country where the term "first" is used for anything except long-haul ("real") first class. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:13, 21 December 2006 (EST)

 * I wasn't able to see it in the article. Besides, I never got the chance to ride on a US "first class" cabin before so I wouldn't know.  But thanks for clarifying the equivalent of US first class in other standards.  --210.5.110.56 05:19, 21 December 2006 (EST)

Non-aviation first class
IMO, something should be said about first class travel on buses, trains, boats and other forms of public transport.

For a start: On trains in Great Britain (sorry, don't know about fares in Northern Ireland), walk-up first class fares are typically about 50% more expensive than full-fare open tickets (e.g. London to Manchester is £180 one-way in first class and £115 one-way in full fare standard class). Young Persons' and Family railcards are *not* accepted, though Senior and Disabled Persons' railcards are. Generally there are no walk-up off-peak first class fares, though this is changing and some operators do now offer these depending on your route, so if you particularly want to travel in first class you may wish to ask. In addition, at weekends passengers (with walk-up tickets) on many routes can buy an "upgrade" to first class (the surcharge varies but tends to be about £15-£20 per person per leg of the journey). Advance purchase first class tickets can sometimes be *very* reasonable depending on the way the quotas work out (either slightly more expensive, or sometimes considerably cheaper, than the cheapest available standard class ticket). The perks offered to first class passengers differ; they are more generous during the week on long-distance trains (with free refreshments served at your seat) than on commuter routes (where all you get is a bit more space).

I've not put this in the article; this ought to be discussed, fact-checked and globalised a bit more first.

82.3.196.153 16:28, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

Business brokers
I think we should remove the list of business brokers at the bottom of this page. We say right above that this is a "dodgy" business anyway, and the list is slowly growing to an unwieldy size as people add their favorite brokers. I can't imagine any criteria by which to endorse a particular reselling site, so let's just remove them all. (WT-en) LtPowers 08:52, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

 * No disagreement here although it might make sense to keep a paragraph explaining what a "business broker" is and why they are dodgy - the preceding section provides more than enough overview of these businesses without the need to list them individually. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:35, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Fish Hoek

Most of the content on this page is identical to Wikipedia:Fish Hoek and http://www.awhaleofatime.co.za/fish-hoek.php. I'm sending email to the whaleofatime folks to see if they did it on purpose. Otherwise, it needs to go. --(WT-en) Evan 12:42, 28 November 2006 (EST)

 * I thinks it needs to go anyway. The same content apears on a number of other pages as well :and seems to be designed for advertising only. 90% of the content is non travel related anyway. -- (WT-en) Nick 12:54, 28 November 2006 (EST)

 * I've received an email from the Webmaster of the whaleofatime site. It's original from that site, it was added here by him. I'm going to remove the copyvio mark. --(WT-en) Evan 14:52, 29 November 2006 (EST)

 * Cool --(WT-en) Nick 14:55, 29 November 2006 (EST)

Fisk Hoek History
(history donated by: A Whale of a time self catering accommodation in Fish Hoek)

 * I removed the above from the main page, but since it was a nice, substantial contribution, I thought I'd move it here rather than just delete it. It will also serve to reconfirm that this is not a copyvio :: (WT-en) NJR_ZA 04:23, 26 January 2007 (EST)

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Talk:Fitzroy Street

Redirect this to Melbourne/St Kilda
Was hoping to copy this info, but it appears to be just a copyvio of this. --(WT-en) Inas 18:34, 16 November 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Five Valleys

Is this an article? It seems really just to be a summary of the area surrounding Stroud, and in fact refers to other articles to get its content.

Delete?

-- (WT-en) Ilkirk 17:41, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)

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Wikivoyage talk:Joke articles/Flaccid Peninsula National Park

April OTBP or COTW? Two down, 1 to go – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 13:49, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

Name
Or should this be moved to "Lake Flaccid"? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 13:59, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

That is ....
... one obscene picture! --(WT-en) Wandering 17:15, 1 April 2008 (EDT)


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Talk:Flanders

AFAIK, the Flemish regions have no established English names. Where I could, I included my own translation between brackets. (WT-en) DhDh 15:39, 15 Nov 2003 (PST)

 * Cool. I've been looking around trying to find some. http://www.visitbelgium.com/ has lots of names and stuff, which might be helpful. By the way: is there really a good reason to give 15 regions when there are 5 provinces? Those seem like the most natural breakdown to me. If there are sub-regions of those provinces, you could break them up, on the region pages. I dunno... P.S. I gotta say it: Stupid sexy Flanders! -- (WT-en) Evan 17:48, 16 Nov 2003 (PST)

Yeah, I was thinking about that too. Seems a bit much for such a small area, doesn't it? The provinces are political/administrative divisions, while these regions are touristic divisions. I've had a good look at the map and at first sight some of the borders correspond to the provincial borders. So, I'll try to group them together into provinces. (WT-en) DhDh 22:39, 16 Nov 2003 (PST)

During the 80s I used to listen to the BRT (predecessor of VRT) English language programme, which of course used Flemish names (Leuven rather than Louvain etc), and I have also visited Flanders on 2 occasions. The English-language placenames seem fine. The only one I added was Ostend which is still the common English language name for Oostende. As a child in the north east of England, "Ostend" was visible on road signs between Newcastle and the coast. Hope this change is OK. 87.113.139.88 20:38, 7 May 2010 (EDT)

Micro-phrasebook
So, I wonder if a micro-phrasebook for Flemish might be in order here. Just a few of the more common phrases that are very different from Dutch. Ideas? --(WT-en) Evan 15:51, 22 Jan 2004 (EST)
 * I doubt if that's really necessary. The Flemish variants can very well be included in the Dutch phrasebook. As far as the sentences in the phrasebook go, there's not that much difference. (WT-en) DhDh 01:29, 23 Jan 2004 (EST)

geographical region
Flanders is "politically" the north of Belgium. Geographically and historically it's a bit bigger, including parts of France and The Netherlands. I think it should be expanded to include this information. If someone agrees, then go ahead and do it, i'll follow.--(WT-en) Twopeak 17:27, 7 Dec 2005 (EST)

Info moved from main page
''The below was removed from the main article because a schedule is not the best information to have in the article due to the fact that it may change. What would be better is to have a few paragraphs explaining the possibilities along major routes.'' -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 13:07, 4 Nov 2005 (EST)

selected trains

 * IC 1544 (Genk (21:51) - Bokrijk - Kiewit - Hasselt - Sint-Truiden - Landen - Tienen -) / (Tongeren (21:41) - Bilzen - Diepenbeek - Hasselt - Diest - Aarschot -) Leuven - Bruxelles-Nord - Bruxelles-Central - Bruxelles-Midi - Denderleeuw - Gent St Pieters - Drongen - Landegem - Hansbeke - Bellem - Aalter - Maria-Aalter - Beernem - Oostkamp - Brugge - Oostende (1:11)
 * IR 3207 Antwerpen Centraal (7:16) - Antwerpen-Berchem - Lier - Herentals - Olen - Geel - Mol - Lommel - Overpelt - Neerpelt (8:26)
 * IR 3208 Antwerpen Centraal (8:16) - Antwerpen-Berchem - Lier - Herentals - Olen - Geel - Mol - Lommel - Overpelt - Neerpelt (9:26)
 * IR 3226 Neerpelt (5:34) - Overpelt - Lommel - Mol - Geel - Olen - Herentals - Lier - Antwerpen-Berchem - Antwerpen Centraal (6:44)
 * IR 3227 Neerpelt (6:31) - Overpelt - Lommel - Mol - Geel - Olen - Herentals - Lier - Antwerpen-Berchem - Antwerpen Centraal (7:44)
 * IR 3228 Neerpelt (7:34) - Overpelt - Lommel - Mol - Geel - Olen - Herentals - Lier - Antwerpen-Berchem - Antwerpen Centraal (8:44)
 * IC 6714 Aarschot (8:42) - Haacht - Boortmeerbeek - Mechelen - Londerzeel - Buggenhout - Dendermonde - Schellebelle - Gent St Pieters - Brugge - Blankenberge (10:44)
 * IC 6764 Blankenberge (18:16) - Brugge - Gent St Pieters - Schellebelle - Dendermonde - Buggenhout - Londerzeel - Mechelen - Boortmeerbeek - Haacht - Aarschot (20:20)
 * IC 6801 Hasselt (7:25) - Diest - Aarschot - Haacht - Boortmeerbeek - Mechelen - Londerzeel - Buggenhout - Dendermonde - Schellebelle - Gent St Pieters - Brugge - Oostende (9:55)
 * IC 6851 Oostende (17:27) - Brugge - Gent St Pieters - Dendermonde - Buggenhout - Londerzeel - Mechelen - Boortmeerbeek - Haacht - Aarschot - Diest - Hasselt (19:59)
 * R 7084 Gent St Pieters (7:46) - Gentbrugge - Gent-Dampoort - Lokeren - Sinaai - Belsele - Sint-Niklaas - Nieuwkerken-Waas - Beveren - Melsele - Zwijndrecht(B) - Antwerpen-Zuid - Antwerpen-Berchem (8:47)
 * R 7089 Sint-Niklaas (7:18) - Temse - Bornem - Puurs - Willebroek - Mechelen - Mechelen-Nekkerspoel - Sint-Katelijne-Waver - Duffel - Kontich - Hove(B) - Mortsel - Antwerpen-Berchem (8:45)
 * R 7215 Hasselt (6:44) - Schulen - Diest - Zichem - Testelt - Langdorf - Heist-op-den-Berg - Lier - Antwerpen-Berchem (7:47)
 * R 7286 Antwerpen-Berchem (7:13) - Antwerpen-Zuid - Zwijndrecht(B) - Melsele - Beveren - Nieuwkerken-Waas - Sint-Niklaas - Belsele - Sinaai - Lokeren - Gent-Dampoort - Gentbrugge - Gent St Pieters (8:11)
 * R 7287 Antwerpen-Noorderdokken (7:30) - Luchtbal - Antwerpen-Dam - Antwerpen-Berchem - Antwerpen-Zuid - Zwijndrecht(B) - Melsele - Beveren - Nieuwkerken-Waas - Sint-Niklaas - Belsele - Sinaai - Lokeren (8:27)
 * R 7289 Antwerpen-Berchem (12:15) - Antwerpen-Zuid - Zwijndrecht(B) - Melsele - Beveren - Nieuwkerken-Waas - Sint-Niklaas - Belsele - Sinaai - Lokeren (12:53)
 * R 7290 Lokeren (6:31) - Sinaai - Belsele - Sint-Niklaas - Nieuwkerken-Waas - Beveren - Melsele - Zwijndrecht(B) - Antwerpen-Zuid - Antwerpen-Berchem (7:08)
 * R 7292 Lokeren (7:31) - Sinaai - Belsele - Sint-Niklaas - Nieuwkerken-Waas - Beveren - Melsele - Zwijndrecht(B) - Antwerpen-Zuid - Antwerpen-Berchem - Antwerpen-Dam - Luchtbal - Antwerpen-Noorderdokken (8:24)
 * R 7293 Sint-Niklaas (7:57) - Antwerpen-Zuid - Antwerpen-Berchem (8:15)
 * R 7295 Sint-Niklaas (12:23) - Nieuwkerken-Waas - Beveren - Melsele - Zwijndrecht(B) - Antwerpen-Zuid - Antwerpen-Berchem (12:47)
 * R 8215 Antwerpen-Noorderdokken (16:31) - Luchtbal - Antwerpen-Dam - Antwerpen-Berchem - Lier - Berlaar - Heist-op-den-Berg - Langdorp - Testelt - Zichem - Diest - Schulen - Hasselt (17:52)
 * R 8222 Leuven (18:09) - Lier - Herentals - Olen - Geel - Mol - Lommel - Overpelt - Neerpelt (20:04)
 * R 8250 Antwerpen-Berchem (16:52) - Antwerpen-Zuid - Hoboken-Polder - Hemiksem - Schelle - Niel - Boom - Ruisbroek-Sauvegarde - Puurs - Bornem - Temse - Sint-Niklaas (18:00)
 * R 8253 Sint-Niklaas (16:38) - Nieuwkerken-Waas - Beveren - Melsele - Zwijndrecht(B) - Antwerpen-Zuid - Antwerpen-Berchem - Antwerpen-Oost - Antwerpen-Dam - Luchtbal - Antwerpen-Noorderdokken - Ekeren - Sint-Mariaburg - Kapellen(B) - Heide (B) - Kijkuit - Kalmthout - Wildert - Essen(Belgien) (17:39)
 * R 8291 Antwerpen-Berchem (17:15) - Antwerpen-Zuid - Zwijndrecht(B) - Melsele - Beveren - Nieuwkerken-Waas - Sint-Niklaas - Belsele - Sinaai - Lokeren (17:54)
 * R 8294 Antwerpen-Noorderdokken (17:38) - Luchtbal - Antwerpen-Berchem - Antwerpen-Zuid - Zwijndrecht(B) - Melsele - Beveren - Nieuwkerken-Waas - Sint-Niklaas - Belsele - Sinaai - Lokeren (18:31)

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Talk:Flat Rock

''This page is for discussing the corresponding article or guide. For more about using talk pages check out Project:Using talk pages.''

Also in Monroe County
I've read that this city is also in Monroe County. – (WT-en) CurvyEthyl 23:22, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Flaxmere

Just started
iv just started this article, but mum wants to go on the internet. ill finish it later. PLEASE DONT DELETE IT (at least until a week from now)

This article is full of shat!!!

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Talk:Floreana

Asilo de La Paz
Regarding Asilo de La Paz, I don't know anything about that one (Is it another name for the highlands? My Spanish is wretched...) and can't add a description, so if no one else knows about it can we drop it for now? Also, it would be good to have a bit more info on the Wittmer's hotel. I've visited there but not stayed, so I'll try to dig up info online unless someone else beats me to it. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 03:14, 16 Jun 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:Florence

Allow photography?
Which museums allow photography?

I hate to have to check my $2000 in camera equipment to a teenager running a coat check and usually don't want to walk all the way back to the hotel room?

Why isn't this info in every travel article?
 * The Uffici allow photography without flash. To my knowledge so do the cathedral, palazzo Pitti and the Palazzo Vecchio. Maikel (talk) 22:58, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not in every article because no-one added it. If the poster who didn't sign their post is still reading: Please add the information to any listing for a museum you know about. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:13, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Average length of time per museum
I want to know how many days to budget in Florence verses other cities, but don't know if it these museums are tiny or Louvre sized? —The preceding comment was added by 71.131.52.97 (talk • contribs) 21:30, 10 January 2007
 * The Uffizi are huge. We managed to see most of it over the course of one full day though. "See" as opposed to "absorb".
 * It's kind of hard to determine the size of a museum. The Uffizi have a modern hanging in a single row, the Palazzo Pitti has an old-fashioned one where the paintings are stacked on top of each other, often in three rows, and often you have to consider the ceiling as well. Does this mean that the viewer will take four times as long per wall space? Maikel (talk) 22:58, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The Uffizi is the biggest, I think, though the museum at the Palazzo Pitti is also quite large. No museums in Florence are remotely close to the Louvre in size (it's 60,600 square meters vs. the Uffizi's 13,000), but there's a lot to see. If you spend 10 days in Florence, no matter what you do, you'll easily be able to create a list of 10 more days' worth of things you didn't see. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:17, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Understand
Having lived in Florence for months, I have to say I don't know where the wonderful squares are. Piazza della Signoria is full of tourists, Piazza del Duomo maybe even more. Piazza della Repubblica is cold and unwelcoming. On top of this the prices in a caffè on these piazzas are ridiculous. If you want to make a contrast to the tourist crowds of Florence, you might want to speak of the parks instead, like the Cascine or Boboli. They are beautiful and much more relaxing. (WT-en) Timo Laine 05:43, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Where are all the palazzi?
This article is really incomplete. Please, especially if you know some Italian, look at Firenze and translate or at least make entries for some of the points of interest we're missing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:22, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

 * Direct link to the "Cosa vedere" section: Click here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:36, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

 * I can only repeat this over 2 years later. It's not essential to translate the entire Italian text of this section, but the more sights that can be added to the English version of the guide to Florence and described in at least a coherent way, the better. If the number of sights seems to be getting out of hand, we can divide them into different categories within sections for different neighborhoods or group them in some logical way by vicinity even within neighborhoods. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:45, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Bus
Quote: Buses that originate or terminate in Florence run from the downtown bus station on Piazzale Montelungo next to SMN railway station.

Is this up to date? My Flixbus terminated in Villa Constanza. Maikel (talk) 22:58, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

 * Please plunge forward and update anything! Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:25, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

sandwhich costs 5€ now
Menu: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1I8MuaOHhOnHK59ytCzA5SYU1P4fm2cvS/view (Linked as a qr code there)

The price seems outdated and is now 5€ instead of 4€. Rugk (talk) 11:03, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

 * Please update as appropriate! Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:48, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Florence&diff=4854244&oldid=4851328 --Rugk (talk) 16:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:56, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Florence/Hotel archives

Here is a dump of sleep listings trimmed from the article for being incomplete, as the sleep section was far too long:

Bed and breakfast

 * Mr My Resort B&B Florence – Via delle Ruote 14 – Cap: 50123, Florence, Italy. . Telephone +39 055 283955 • Fax 055 2676505. Elegant B&B close to the Exhibition Centre and the downtown of Florence, near Piazza della Libertá. This guest house has a superior variety of service for a Bed and Breakfast of Florence: internet connection and LCD TV screen, plus Turkish Baths and a large Jacuzzi, both available upon request.

 * Le Querciole B&B Florence – Strada di Quercia al Poggio 1 - Monsanto, Barberino Val d'Elsa (Florence) Italy. . Telephone +39 055 674023. Large apartments with bedroom, comfortable reading area, large kitchen, chimney and common swimming pool, hosted in an old country house of the 17th century located in the Chianti region of Tuscany.

 * B&B Ricci, . Historic centre Just 50 meters from Duomo.

 * Hotel L’Argentiere Bed & Breakfast Florence – Via G. Borelli, 8 – Cap: 50125 Florence - Italy. . Telephone +39 055 2320078 • Fax +39 055 3909948. Comfortable apartments and 18 bedrooms for this B&B located less than four km from the central Duomo Square. Garden, dining room, terrace and free private parking, are just some of the facilities of this B&B located outside the noisy streets of the city centre of Florence.

 * Relais Stibbert B&B – Vìa Lambruschini, 39 – Cap: 50134 Florence - Italy. . Telephone +39.055 462505 • Budget bed and breakfast accommodation in Florence near the center and with easy access to the surrounding Tuscany countryside. Family run business with all modern conveniences.

Hotels

 * Bijou Hotel Via Fiume, 5 Florence, Italy tel +39 055 214156 fax +39 055 214156 . Cheap and simple 2 star hotel near the train station in Florence, ideal for backpackers or other low budget travellers. Satellite TV and private bathrooms on request.

 * Budget Hotel Panorama Via Cavour, 60, +39.055.2382043, Fax: +39.055.264404, . This family-run hotel is centrally located, just one block away from the Accademia Art Gallery and close to all the main points of interest (all within walking distance). From the breakfast room on the 4th level guests can enjoy a beautiful view of the city.

 * Relais Farm Holiday Via Imprunetana per Tavarnuzze, 19, +39-055-2311311, Fax: 	+39-055-2311313, . Hotel Relais Farm Holiday Villa L'Olmo is an oasis in the green Chianti countryside: discover its private villas with pool, apartments and a traditional farmhouse with rooms furnished in the best decor and most modern services.

 * Hotel Careggi Florence – Via Taddeo Alderotti, 43 - Cap: 50139, Florence, Italy. . Telephone +39 055 4360262 • Fax +39 055 416250. Comfortable and cosy two star hotel close the Airport of Florence, which is only five km from the centre of this renaissance city. Economic, clean and equipped rooms which are able to accommodate up to four people. From the hotel, the down town of Florence is easily reachable by bus.

 * Hotel Castri Piazza Indipendenza 7, 50129, Florence, . 3 Star Hotel Castri occupies 2 historical buildings right on the edge of the ancient city walls, standing today near the Fortezza da Basso Congress Centre and the enchanting Santa Maria Novella. The Castri also has a 1000m² garden for guests' relaxation and enjoyment.

 * Hotel Europa Via Cavour 14, +39.055 2396715, Fax: +39.055 268984, . Facing Brunelleschi’s Dome and Giotto’s Bell Tower, Hotel Europa is on the 2nd and 3rd floor of a Florentine building dating back to the 14th century. Multilingual professional staff.

 * Hotel Erina Via Fiume 17, 50123 Florence, Italy T +39.055 288294 F +39.055 284343. . an elegant palazzo signorile built in the nineteen-thirties and is run personally by Mr. Calabrese, who makes it his job to offer all the guests a warm welcome. With its friendly, informal atmosphere, guests immediately feel at home.

 * Hotel Ginori Florence – Via de Ginori, 24 – Cap: 50129 - Florence - Italy. . Telephone + 055 218615 • Fax + 055 211392. Special offers and great rates for longer stay in this 2 star hotel with 14 bedrooms, located in the city centre of Florence and close the main renaissance monuments of the city.

 * Hotel Medici Florence – Via dei Medici, 6 – Cap: 50123, Florence - Italy . Telephone +39 055 28 48 18 • Fax +39 055 21 62 02. Great roof garden with view on some of the most important monuments of the city, for this two star hotel located in the heart of the historic centre of Florence, with 40 bedrooms offered in different size, all with private bath.

 * Hotel Nuova Italia Florence – Via Faenza, 26 - Cap: 50123, Florence, Italy. . Telephone +39 055 287508 • Fax +39 055 210941. The Nuova Italia is a two star hotel located between the Exhibition Centre of Fortezza da Basso and the Duomo of Florence, offering 20 bedrooms with private en-suite facilities, tourist information service, free breakfast, room service and convenient rates.

 * Hotel Piccolo Florence – Via San Gallo, 51 – Cap: 50129 Florence - Italy . Telephone +39 055 475519 • Fax +39 055 474515. Central two star hotel of the San Lorenzo neighbourhood, and ten minutes away for the Congress Centre of Fortezza da Basso. All the rooms of the Piccolo Hotel come with private bathroom, satellite TV and direct telephone, while the internet connection is available in one of the public areas.

 * Albergo San Giovanni, Via Cerretani 2, 50123 tel +39 055 288385, fax +39 055 213580,http://www.hotelsangiovanni.com .  A characteristic old worldly Florentine pensione located right on the corner of Piazza San Giovanni (the cathedral square).  You will enjoy the amazing view from your window of one the world's most beautiful piazzas.

 * Hotel Spagna Florence – Via dei Panzani, 9 – Cap: 50123 - Florence - Italy. . Telephone (+39) 055 211860 • Fax (+39) 055 266270. Ideal accommodations for travelers on budget, this two star hotel is located between the train station of Santa Maria Novella and the Duomo. Very close to the main city attractions, with last minute deals available on the hotel online reservation system.

 * Hotel Stella Mary Florence – Via Fiume, 17 – Cap: 50123 Florence - Italy . Telephone +39 055 2741599 • Fax +39 055 208 853. Seven large and cosy bedrooms for this small two stars hotel located in the historic centre of Florence. All the rooms can be booked on online at convenient rates and offer a private bathroom, the air conditioning and the right environment to host even your pets for free.

 * Pensione Ferretti Via delle Belle Donne, 17 Italy T +39 055 238 1328 F +39 055 219 288 PIVA 05265000488. . Delightful family run Bed & Breakfast in the city centre. Low cost budget accommodation with authentic Florentine hospitality.

Mid-range

 * Colomba Hotel Florence, via Cavour, 21 - 50129 Florence. Phone: +39.055.289139 Fax: +39.055.284323 info@hotelcolomba.com . Hotel Colomba in Florence has the best of modern comforts and traditional Tuscan hospitality in a 3 star hotel in the heart of the historical city center.

 * NH Anglo America,  Via Garibaldi, 9, 50123, E-mail: nhangloamerican@nh-hotels.com, Tel: + 39 055 282114, Fax: + 39 055 268513. This hotel is recently refurbished and reflects the history and fascinating age of the city Città del Giglio (City of Lirio). Central but pricey in the high season. (There are more NH hotels in Florence  if this one is full).

 * Hotel Alamanni, Via Alamanni 35, . In the heart of Florence, just a walking distance from all city sights. Charming and newly first class hotel, The Alamanni Hotel is located at the second floor of a modern palace to the borders of the historical centre.

 * Hotel Balestri, Piazza Mentana, 7, 50122, Florence, Italy . Charming 3 star hotel founded in the late 19th century offering 46 air conditioned, guest rooms. Located just by Ponte Vecchio, this delightful accommodation is an ideal option for a romantic getaway.

 * Hotel Botticelli Florence, Via Taddea, 8, 50123, Florence, Italy, Tel: +39 055290905, Fax: +39 055294322, [mailto:info@hotelbotticelli.it], . 3 Star hotel in the historical heart of Florence located close to all of the most important cultural attractions.

 * Hotel Carolus, . Via XXVII Aprile, 3 - 50129 Florence - Ph.(0039) 055 2645539, Fax.(0039) 055 2645550 - e-mail: info@carolushotel.com The Carolus Hotel, in Florence, is situated in a beautiful neo-classical palazzo built, between the Dominican convent of San Marco and the Fortezza da Basso, near the Orti di Barbano. In the historic city center of Florence, close to the Accademia and the Duomo, provides magnificent hospitality for leisure tourists. But also who comes to Florence on business will find the Carolus Hotel an ideal base, conveniently close to the Palazzo dei Congressi, the railway station Florence Santa Maria Novella, and the ring-road giving access to the motorways and the airport. The hotel rooms overlook some of the most celebrated and best-loved churches and monuments of Florence and the hills of Fiesole.

 * Hotel Corona d’Italia Florence – Via Nazionale 14 - Cap: 50123, Florence, Italy. . Telephone +39 055 261501 • Fax +39 055 288639. This three star hotel is on the central street of Via Nazionale, in the historic centre of Florence. All the interiors of the public areas and the 80 rooms of the Corona d’Italia are decorated in the classical Florentine style, though equipped with modern facilities such us Wi-Fi Internet connection.

 * Hotel delle Nazioni Florence, Via Luigi Alamanni 15, 50123, Florence, Italy, Tel: +39 055 283575 Fax: +39 055 283579, [mailto:info@hoteldellenazioniflorence.com], . 3 star hotel in the centre of Florence to the east of the central train station. The location provides excellent access to the main tourist attractions, shopping areas and to the conference centre.

 * Hotel Donatello, Piazza Indipendenza, 23, 50129 Florence Ph.: +39 055 4633477 - Fax: +39 055 4625064 . 19th century hotel on Piazza della Indipendenza on the northern side of the city centre. Reasonably priced 3 star accommodation, walking distance to all of the major tourist attractions and in a vibrant yet tranquil zone of restaurants and bars.

 * Hotel Erina - Via Fiume 17 - Cap. 50123, Florence, Italy . Tel: +39 055 288 294 • Fax: +39.055 284 343. Refurbished in 2008, this three star hotel built in the 30’s offers large bedrooms with Internet connection and LCD TV with international channels, and is located next Florence central train station.

 * Hotel Executive Florence, Palazzo Storico, Via Curtatone, 5, 50123, Florence, Italy, Tel: +39 055 268346 Fax: +39 055 217451, [mailto:info@hotelexecutiveflorence.com], . 4 star hotel located in downtown Florence and only a short walk away from most of the main tourist attractions and galleries in Florence.

 * Hotel Fiorino Florence – Via Osteria Del Guanto, 6 - Cap: 50122, Florence, Italy. . Telephone +39 055 210579 • Fax +39 055 268929. The Fiorino is a three star hotel which has an excellent location truly a few hundred meters away from Ponte Vecchio and Uffizi Gallery. Even if hosted in a medieval palace, in the 23 bedrooms of this three star accommodation one can find also modern services and facilities as the internet connection and the satellite TV.

 * Hotel Goldoni Florence – Via Borgo Ognissanti, 8 – Cap: 50123, Florence – Italy. . Telephone +39 055 284080 • Fax +39 055 282576. Classical style for this three star hotel hosted in a Florentine palace of the 18th century. The Goldoni is located next the Arno e in the characteristic Borgo Ognisanti, full of elegant shops and restaurants. Wide selection of rooms and large hall with fireplace, where every morning it is served the complimentary breakfast.

 * Hotel Lorenzo il Magnifico Florence, Via Lorenzo Il Magnifico, 25 50129 Florence - Ph: +39 055 4630878 - Fax: +39 055 486168, . 4 star hotel near Fortezza da Basso Congress & Expo center, inside a small villa of the high Renaissance.

 * Hotel Machiavelli Palace, via Nazionale 10, +39 055 21 66 22. situated in the heart of Florence, Hotel Machiavelli Palace just a few hundred meters from Santa Maria Novella station and the Fortezza da Basso (exhibition and conference centre), and a short walk from all the city's monuments and main museums.

 * Hotel Monica, Via Faenza 66 - Ph: +39 055.283804, Fax: +39 055.281706, . Elegance and sophistication just a short walk from Fortezza da Basso and from the Santa Maria Novella Station. The Hotel Monica is the ideal solution for a holiday concentrated on art and culture or for a business trip, thanks to the fact that it is close to the Fortezza da Basso, the enormous international conference center.

 * Hotel Palazzo Vecchio, Via Cennini 4, 50123, Ph. +39.055.212182 Fax +39.055.216445. . The rooms in the 3 star Hotel Palazzo Vecchio are in the wing of an elegant building from the 1920's in a typical Florentine architectural style.

 * Hotel Paris, Via Dei Banchi 2 - 50123 - Florence -  . This elegant 3 star hotel in the deep heart of Florence is a historical building in every sense of the word. Designed and built in the 16th Century by the master architect Bernardo Bontalenti, who spent his life under the service of the Medici Family, the Hotel Paris is unquestionably an integral part of the history in which this legendary city is steeped.

 * Hotel Perseo, Via Cerretani 1, 50123. Tel. +39.055.212504 Fax +39.055.288377, info@hotelperseo.it, . A superbly central location near the Santa Maria del Fiore Cathedral, a friendly and welcoming atmosphere combine with stylish décor to make Hotel Perseo an ideal accommodation when visiting Florence.

 * Hotel Porta Faenza Florence, Via Faenza 77n - 50123, Florence, . Beautiful family run 3 Star hotel by the Fortezza da Basso. Mother tongue English staff.

 * Hotel Porta Rossa Florence, Via Porta Rossa, 19, 50123, Florence, Italy, Tel: 0039 055 287551 Fax: 0039 055 282179, [mailto:info@hotelportarossa.com], . The oldest hotel in Florence centrally located allowing easy access to the main attractions in Florence.

 * Hotel Rapallo Florence – Via S.Caterina d' Alessandria 7 – Cap: 50129, Florence – Italy. . Telephone +39 055 472412 • Fax + 055 470385. The Rapallo is a convenient three star hotel with 27 soundproofed bedrooms located next the Exhibition Centre of Fortezza da Basso, and not far from the city centre and the train station of Santa Maria Novella.

 * Hotel Rosary Garden Florence, Via di Ripoli, 169 - 50126 Firenze - Tel. +39 055 6800136 / Fax +39 055 6800458 - Small 3 star hotel in a residential area of Florence, 10 minutes from  the historical center yet near Tuscan countryside. Rooms reflect a British country house elegance, smartly decorated with floral patterns and frescos representing views of Tuscany and Florence. Hotel location is very convenient for those who travel by car, near the exit Firenze South of the Highway A1 (Milan-Rome).

 * Hotel San Giorgio and Olimpic, Via S. Antonino, 3, Tel: 0039055284344 Fax: 0039055283580, [mailto:hotel.sangiorgio@dada.it], . Three star family run hotel just a few minutes walk from many of Florences attractions including the Ponte Vecchio, Uffizi Gallery, Michelangelos David and the Duomo.

 * Hotel Sempione, via Nazionale 15, +39 055 21 24 62.  Beautiful family run 3 star for 3 generations with a truly cosy feel. In the historical centre of Florence, Hotel Sempione is just 100 metres from Santa Maria Novella train station, the Congress Palace, Fortezza da Basso Exhibition Centre and just a few steps from the Duomo and the most important Florentine museums and churches.

 * Strozzi Palace Hotel, Via de' Vecchietti, 4, 50123, +39.055.283898, [mailto:info@strozzipalacehotel.it email], Fax: +39 055 268201. Modern and stylish hotel in the center of Florence featuring period interiors and decorative arts from the 19th century. Walking distance from all the main historic monuments of the city such as the Duomo, Ponte Vecchio and Palazzo Pitti.

 * Hotel Universo Florence – Piazza Santa Maria Novella 20 – Cap: 50123 Florence - Italy. [www.hoteluniversoflorence.com]. Telephone +39 055 293890 • Fax +39 055 29389199. Being located on Piazza Santa Maria Novella, in front of the main train station of Florence, very close to the City Congress Centre and the main tourist attraction, this three star hotel is ideal for the travellers coming for pleasure and for business.

 * Hotel Vasari Florence – Via Cennini Bernardo, 9 – Cap: 50123, Florence – Italy. . Telephone +39 055 212753 • Fax +39 055 294246. A prestigious historic building for this three star hotel close to the Exhibition Centre of Fortezza da Basso, but also to the most important monuments and museum of the city centre. The 27 rooms of this Florentine house are equipped with air conditioning, direct telephone and television. The breakfast is served every morning in the hotel hall.

 * Hotel Villa Carlotta, Via Michele di Lando, 3, Tel: +39 0552336134 Fax: +39 0552336147, [mailto:info@hotelvillacarlotta.it], . The 4 Star Hotel Villa Carlotta Villa Carlotta is in the wooded avenues surrounding Piazzale Michelangelo. It is near to the Pitti Palace and Ponte Vecchio.

 * Hotel Villa Liana - Via V. Alfieri 18 – Cap. 50121, Florence, Italy. . Tel: +0039 055 245303 • Fax: 0039 055 2344596. 24 bedrooms for this three star hotel very close from the Doumo of Florence, with a modern and secure book online system.

 * Hotel Villa Liberty Florence – Viale Michelangelo, 40 - Cap: 50125, Florence, Italy. . Telephone +39 055 681 0581 ��� Fax +39 055 6812595. Three star hotel situated in a real Florentine villa with its medieval tower. The hotel is on the edge of the city centre of Florence and offers 15 rooms divided in single, twin, double, triple quadruple and suite with living room.

 * Hotel Villa Stanley, Only 20 minutes by car from the historical center of Florence, easy accessible by the hotel's free shuttle bus or by public transport. The architectural beauty of the fourteenth century building, set in a peaceful park, ensures a wonderfully relaxing atmosphere. The hotel also offers a swimming pool and tennis court. The "La Limonaia di Villa Stanley" Restaurant serves excellent Tuscan and Italian cuisine. Spacious parking.

 * Hotel Waldorf Suite Florence – Piazza della Stazione, 10 – Cap: 50123, Florence, Italy. . Telephone +39 055 212244 • Fax +39 055 2381973. Modern and elegant interior for this four star hotel of the city centre of Florence with 42 suites. The Waldorf Suite four star Hotel also offers a congress centre with 15 meeting rooms capable to gather any kind conference, plus internet and parking service.

 * Relais & Suites Grand Tour Florence – Via S.Reparata, 21– Cap: 50123, Florence, Italy. . Telephone +39 055 283955 • Fax +39 055 2676505. An historic building from the 18th century with garden and classical decorations for this Florentine Guest House located in the centre of the renaissance city and the Exposition Centre of Florence. Due the interior design of the bedrooms and of the whole property, the Relais and Suites Grand Tour is the ideal accommodation for a romantic trip and new weds.

 * Relais Piazza Signoria, Via Vacchereccia 3, 50123. Tel. +39.055.3987239 Fax +39.055.286306, info@relaispiazzasignoria.com, . Its location allows you to enjoy the treasures of the historic center in complete relaxation. All the principal artistic and cultural attractions can be visited with a simple walk.

 * Residenza Belli Florence, Via Nazionale, 35, Tel: +39 055 2654648 Fax: +39 055 2654648, [mailto:info@residenzabellifirenze.com], . Residenza Belli Florence is located near the centre in Via Nazionale 35. It is close to the Santa Maria Novella train station and most of of the main attractions in Florence.

 * Viva Hotel Alexander Florence – Viale Guidoni, 101 – Cap: 50127, Florence, Italy.. Telephone +39 055 4378951 • Fax +39 055 416818. Eighty eight rooms divided in single, double and triple with private bathroom, internet, air conditioning and television, for this four star hotel located in the quarter of Novoli. Among the common areas of this four star accommodation of Florence, are also available the breakfast room and the conference centre.

 * Viva Hotel Fleming Florence – Viale Guidoni, 87 – Cap: 50127, Florence, Italy. . Telephone +39 055 4376773 • Fax +39 055 435894. A residential neighbourhood located 3 km away from the historic city centre for this convenient three star hotel of Florence. All the 118 rooms are equipped with modern and useful services, while in the public areas of the Fleming Viva Hotel guests will find the ideal breathing space to relax.

 * Viva Hotel Pitti Palace Florence – Borgo S. Jacopo, 3 – Cap: 50125, Florence – Italy. . Telephone +39 055 2398711 • Fax + 39 055 2398867. Located next to the Arno River and Ponte Vecchio, the Hotel Viva Pitti Palace is a great choice for a romantic holiday in Florence. This three hotel offers 73 bedrooms with private bathroom, air-conditioning system and television… and last but not least an ancient beautiful.

 * Viva Hotel Capitol Santa Croce Florence – Viale Amendola, 34 – Cap: 50121, Florence, Italy. . Telephone +39 055 2343201 • Fax +39 055 2345925. A three star hotel with 91 soundproofed bedrooms sited on the edge of the historic centre of Florence. In few minutes, an amazing walk through the cobbled street of Florence will lead you up to the Duomo and the other renaissance monuments of the city.

 * Viva Hotel Laurus Florence – Via de' Cerretani, 54/R – Cap: 50123, Florence, Italy. . Telephone +39 055 2381752 • Fax +39 055 268308. A recently renewed four star hotel with 50 single, double, triple e junior suites, and with a cosy American bar and a panoramic roof terrace. The Laurus Hotel also offers a great location close the Exhibition Centre of Fortezza da Basso and between the train station and the cathedral of Santa Maria del Fiore.

 * Viva Hotel Meridiana Country Florence – Via di Barberino, 253 – Cap: 50041, Calenzano, Florence, Italy.. Telephone +39 055 8819472 • Fax +39 055 8819023. Thanks its position 20 km away from the city of Florence and its 32 rooms with garden or balcony, this four star hotel is the ideal choice for a relaxing holiday in the Tuscan countryside. Also available a meeting hall.

Splurge

 * Albergotto, Via dé Tornabuoni 13, 50123, Tel.: +39 055 2396464, Fax: +39 055 2398108, info@albergotto.com,.

 * Hotel Diplomat, Via Luigi Alimanni 9, 50123 Florence, Ph: +39.055.2608400, Fax: +39.055.2646525 . One of the newest and most exclusive 4 Star hotels in the city of Florence. Located near Santa Maria Novella, this luxury 4 Star accommodation is just a few minutes from the heart of the historical centre, the Duomo and Piazza della Signoria.

 * Jolly Hotel Carlton, Piazza Vittorio Veneto, 4/a 50123 Firenze, Luxury 4 Star hotel just 10 minutes from the heart of the historical centre. Offering value for money at 4 star quality, this welcoming and atmospheric hotel is the ideal choice for a family holiday or weekend getaway.

 * Montebello Splendid, (5 stars hotel), Via Garibaldi, 14 - 50123 Firenze - Tel +39 055 27471 (Fax +39 055 2747700, email [mailto:info@montebellosplendid.com info@montebellosplendid.com]), . An old villa from 19th century with private garden located in the lively heart of Florence and transformed into a boutique 5 stars hotel full of charm and warm atmosphere according to the neoclassical florentine tradition. All rooms are elegantly designed and decored differently but all equipped with the most up-to-date comforts.

 * Relais Piazza Signoria, Via Vacchereccia, 3 50122 Florence, Ph: +39.055.3987239, Fax: +39.055.286306, . Relais Piazza Signoria Florence is the perfect solution to experience the historic center of the city to the fullest and to admire its cultural and artistic treasures.

 * Relais Villa L'Olmo, Via Imprunetana per Tavarnuzze, 19 - 50023 Impruneta (Florence), Ph: +39 055.2311311, Fax: +39 055.2311313, . Relais Villa l’Olmo is located at only 10km from Florence and a real Tuscan country estate offering apartments with a big pool and garden area, private cottages with private pools and gardens, and one big independent farmhouse. Reception and Concierge service, breakfast room. All accommodations offer great comfort, attentive and selected decorations and furnitures, today’s technologies. The village that can be reached on foot in approx 5 minutes is called Impruneta and world-famous for its artisan terracotta production. Furthermore Impruneta is the entrance door to the Chianti region. Comfortable public bus connections into Florence. The property is ideal to combine the arts of Florence and the relaxation countryside with pools and garden.

 * Relais Villa Poggio ai merli, Via di Giogoli, 5 - 50018 Scandicci (Florence), Ph: +39 055.250257, Fax: +39 055.250718, . Villa Poggio ai Merli is an historical house built in the XV Century on one of the most beautiful hills of Florence. The residential area, which is surrounded by an outstanding landscape of olive trees, has the privilege of being in the middle of a Florentine natural reserve, making it relaxing and equally dynamic due to its vicinity to the city.

 * Relais Santa Croce, Via Ghibellina, 87 50122, Ph: +39 055.2342230, Fax: +39 055.2341195. An age-old noble palace with luxury and refinement in the heart of Florence, between Santa Croce Basilica and the Duomo. Relais Santa Croce has two large meeting rooms capable of hosting up to 70 people each and offers all the necessary equipment, from video-conferencing to overhead projectors for multimedia presentations and a hostess and interpretation service.

 * Hotel Santa Maria Novella, Piazza Santa Maria Novella 1 - 50123 Florence, Hotel Santa Maria Novella, Ph: +39 055.271840, Fax: + 39 055.27184199 located on the by the famous Basilica Santa Maria Novella, is one of the finest 4 Star hotels in Florence. Only a short walk to the Palazzo Vecchio and the rest of the historical centre, this Firenze 4 Star combines luxury with convenience.

 * Hotel Strozzi Palace, Via de' Vecchietti, 4, - 50123 Florence, Phone 0039-055-283898 - Fax 0039-055-268201 . in the heart of the city centre, small (26 guest rooms) 4 star hotel offering exclusive service and a warm welcome to you and your family.

 * Westin Excelsior, Piazza Ognissanti 3 Firenze,Italy Ph: +39 055 637710, Fax: +39 055 63771600. In Bagno di Ripoli, a very short distance from the heart of Florence, an age-old country estate; Villa Olmi Resort is an exclusive example of good living offering rare comforts, innovative services, gourmet restaurant, wine bar...

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I think this should be disambigged - there's an island called Flores near Komodo in Indonesia. -(WT-en) phma 08:08, 10 Feb 2005 (EST)

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Cool Beans
i been in flores peten guatemala so, you forget the best palce for coffee in the island Cool Beans, (cafe chilero in espanish)

 * Added! Sounds good... (WT-en) Cacahuate 01:48, 25 December 2006 (EST)

FloresTikal.com
Hi there! Thanks for adding your guesthouse, it looks nice! Just a note on the website, the way we format the listings is to put the website only in the "url" category, not again in the description. what happens is that the website will show up like this →. Take a look at the article again and you'll see that all of the websites are shown like that. Thanks again! – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 14:48, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Oops, here we are again. I had to remove the image you added, we don't allow images that have advertising in them. We welcome conributions from business owners, but please don't overdo it. You're welcome to add your guesthouse (which you already did) and to help us expand the Flores guide if you have more information, but aside from the listing that we now have for FloresTikal, it is not possible to mention it again anywhere else on the page, including in pictures. Sorry! You may want to check out Project:Welcome, business owners for some information on our policy concerning that. Thanks again for your contributions! – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 04:26, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

Santa Elena & San Benito
I've redirected those 2 articles to here for now, all 3 are often collectively called "Flores", and there's little of interest in those 2 for travelers, mostly just hopped in to if a bank or airport run is needed – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 19:19, 1 January 2009 (EST)

 * I made a new map of Flores island, but it would be great if a larger area map was created that covered Santa Elena and San Benito as well. I don't have a huge interest in it myself and don't have a good source for the streets, but if someone comes across one, have at it – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 15:07, 17 May 2009 (EDT)

Ruins articles
We have a couple articles for ruins in this area, like El Mirador, and someone just created another for Yaxhá. Do we want the ruins to all have their own separate articles? Or should we move them into the "See" section of this article, intended to be visited along with the city? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:43, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

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The Santa Catarina Island is part of the large municipality of Florianopolis, and not the other way round. I'm fixing the isIn accordingly. - (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 21:41, 21 March 2006 (EST)

Information from the page in portuguese
I've noticed that the page in portuguese has a lot of information, but I can't trust my english to edit the main page directly. So, I will try to put some translations here, and somebody with more fluent english can rewrite it.

History of Florianópolis: the city was established in 1726. The original name of the city was "Desterro" but it was changed in 1894, in honor of Floriano Peixoto - the Brazilian president at the time.

Places to go:
 * Naufragados Beach, on the south of the Island. You need a guide, because there are no roads leading there. A half hour walk along a trail (trekking)through the forest gets you to the beach. It's very beautiful and I have some pictures that I can post.

 * Anhatomirim, a small island with an ancient fortress (built on 1793) and a lot of stories.

 * Praça XV de Novembro, that has an ancient (more than 100 years) ficus (not sure about this word)tree.

--(WT-en) Axmachado 23:06, 21 June 2006 (EDT)

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Vandalism
This article has for some reason become a vandal magnet over the last few weeks. --ϒpsilon (talk) 19:04, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

St. Augustine listed in the "Other destinations" section
But it's a city. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 23:20, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

 * Yes. It shouldn't be listed there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:07, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

 * Should it replace any of the listed cities? Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:08, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

 * Probably, IMHO. It's not notable for its city life, but whenever I've ever been there it's the downtown area that's one of the most popular in the country. So I think it's appropriate in the cities section, maybe replacing Panama City Beach or whatever you think is appropriate. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 05:37, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

 * I don't know Florida well enough to know which city it should replace (if any). Maybe we should do a RFC on this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:55, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

 * Sure. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 19:10, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

 * Thanks for taking care of that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:10, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Now we just have to wait for people — hopefully — to respond with their thoughts. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 00:27, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I've never been to Florida (except Miami airport), but of the nine cities currently listed, Panama City Beach strikes me as the least famous. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:20, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I've never been to the Panhandle, so I wasn't sure between Pensacola and Panama City, but the Panama City (Florida) article is so much less developed. Looking at these cities' Wikipedia articles, Panama City had a population of 36,484 in the 2010 Census, whereas Pensacola had 51,923 as part of a metropolitan area of 461,227 (2012 estimate). St. Augustine seems to be smaller than both, though; from St. Augustine, Florida: According to the 2010 census, the city's population was 12,975. The United States Census Bureau's 2013 estimate of the city's population was 13,679, while the urban area had a population of 71,379 in 2012.[9] I don't know what "urban area" means in this context, and the source's link in the article is 404, so I won't find it that way. However, the St. Augustine article is well-developed. It seems like Panama City was neglected because there just isn't that much to say about the place. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:42, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

St. Augustine isn't a large city; it's like Savannah and many other Southern cities that have a long history (St. Augustine goes back to the 1500s)—it has an oversized downtown compared to the overall population. However, for the tourist, it is the downtown area that counts. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 14:13, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Got it. Note, though, that Savannah had an estimated population of 146,444, with 387,543 in its metropolitan area, in 2017. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:47, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Right, Savannah is larger, but often the cities of Charleston, Savannah, and St. Augustine are grouped together as the great historic (and cultural) cities in the South. If you do a Google Search you'll see that travel guides often do this. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 19:32, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, so are those in the know in agreement with moving St. Augustine to "Cities" and bumping Panama City (Florida)? If so, anyone should go ahead and make the change. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:22, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 13:29, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Remove COVID box?
Per edit, I thought afterward it should be done with consensus. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 21:11, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

 * At this point, I think we all understand that COVID is widespread and what precautions exist. Florida's cases are up and down but currently it has one of the country's lowest coronavirus case rates per capita. The COVID box is in place nationally, and I'm not sure there's much a statewide box can add. Additionally the vaccination issue is not in the forefront as of this writing as any traveler to the U.S. and most travelers between U.S. states are vaccinated. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 23:00, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Regions proposal
I've been thinking for some time that our region hierarchy for this state could be improved. Florida isn't easy to divide into regions because it lacks major geographical features, such as inlets and mountain ranges, that form clear geographical regions in other parts of the world. It's flat, and the rivers that exist in the state don't mark significant regional dividing lines. Consequently, a common-sense regional structure has been applied here, with Panhandle, North, Central, South, and Keys as the regions.

This region structure was fairly good for a geographical perspective. Indeed, Florida is typically divided into these geographical regions, for lack of an obvious alternative. However, the flaws soon appear: University of South Florida is in Tampa. We place Tampa in West Central Florida, quite apart from the destinations of South Florida. While we shouldn't use university names to define our regions, the fact the university region scheme doesn't match our own region scheme doesn't reflect well.

From a tourist's perspective, what defines a region is the location of the most important destinations. In Florida, there are a few main destinations: the beach towns of the Atlantic Coast, the beach towns of the Gulf Coast, and the amusement parks of Orlando between the two. I'd suggest we restructure our regions using this classification:

 * Florida Atlantic Coast: from Miami north to Jacksonville consists of almost continuous beaches. All the East Coast counties would be included here
 * Florida Gulf Coast: from Naples/Marco Island to Pensacola. The Panhandle would be a sub-region, as would the Tampa area.
 * Inland Florida: Gainesville (Florida), The Villages, Orlando, and the Florida Heartland.
 * Florida Keys: leave this region intact.

Some regions, particularly counties, could be moved into the new regions. Some counties have few destinations within them and could be moved into South, Central, and Northern of the respective coast. Writing region articles would be easier using the new region structure, as the regions would be cohesive. It's hard to write about a region such as East Central Florida that includes Lake County (Florida), which isn't in the eastern part of the state at all, the major city of Orlando, and coastal counties, areas with nothing in common from the traveler's perspective. However, these new regions would have much in common, and even where differences lie, these are more easily explained than regions that feel as though they are a combination of vastly different counties thrown together because there is nowhere else to place them. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 15:23, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

 * I would strongly support this proposal. I definitely agree that Florida is one of the few exceptions with no geographical barriers, and I too have been wondering about the region hierarchy for some time as well, it was just that I was also driven away about the fact that there's no geographical regions, nor is there any tourist defined regions as well. And Florida is also not like Kansas where its just divided flat bang on rather unusual lines for me (although all of them have a reputation for being very boring, so it's hard to visualize the line).

 * I've also wondered on why are there so many county articles under Florida as well (some which don't contain much interest to travellers), but your proposal seems like the best way to go. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:57, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

 * I'm very skeptical about treating Miami and Jacksonville as being in the same region. What's the advantage in that? The proposal is to reduce the number of regions in Florida, one of the most populous and highest-tourism states in the U.S. Why? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:28, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I understand your concern about this, but the problem is, I don’t see much in common between Miami and Naples either. We could divide this into south and north Atlantic Coast at the highest level, increasing the number of regions breadcrumbed under Florida and maintaining greater distinction between the regions. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 10:40, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I need to think about this a little more. What’s the optimal number of subregions for a state? There might be room for slightly different structuring if we can go as high as seven or eight. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 10:49, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * This might be a good basis for a region map, which some tweaking. I’d still go with an “Inland Florida,” but this avoids the problem of putting Miami and Jacksonville in one region. --Comment by [[User:SelfieCity| Selfie City] ( talk |  contributions ) 10:59, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Inland Florida sounds good to me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:04, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes on that map as a good starting point and yes on differentiating inland from the coast, but I think southern and northern inland areas may merit their own regions. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:05, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * True. I'm thinking that the subregions of inland Florida could be north, Florida Heartland, and Greater Orlando. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 14:37, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Per above, proposed (revised) regions (* are high level regions, ** are subregions):

 * First Coast — Northeast Florida, minus Putnam and Baker Counties
 * Volusia County
 * Space Coast
 * Treasure Coast
 * Rename Florida Gold Coast to Greater Miami
 * Florida Keys
 * West Coast of Florida
 * Southwest Florida
 * Tampa Bay Area
 * Pinellas County
 * Hillsborough County (Florida)
 * Manatee County
 * Big Bend Coast — Dixie, Levy, Taylor, Citrus, Hernando, and Pasco Counties
 * Florida Panhandle
 * Inland Florida
 * Florida Heartland
 * Greater Orlando
 * North Central Florida, plus Putnam County
 * Polk County (Florida)

This is nine regions by my count, which is a large number but not overwhelming. I think these regions are more cohesive than the current regions. I don't think Volusia is justified as a higher-level region, but I can't find any other place to categorize it. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 15:57, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

 * This looks good to me. Note that it's Florida Gold Coast that you'd be renaming; Gold Coast is treated as a region in Australia, but perhaps it should be a disambig page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Gold Coast, Qld is the 6th largest city in Australia as well as the largest non-capital city in Australia, and is also discrictified. There's already Gold Coast (disambiguation) though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:23, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I’ve changed that title in the above list accordingly. Now I can start on the region map. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 11:27, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

 * Here's my regions map. It was hard to make enough different colors for the map, particularly as the sub-regions have shades of their region's color. They are based on the colors found at United States of America. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 00:10, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

 * Looks good to me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:13, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, barring further input within the next day or so, I'll start the district process, first with a cleanup of the map. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 21:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Florida Static Map.png have added Florida's static map of the regions to this talk page. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 17:20, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Very small thing, but when I was in Sarasota, they talked about the "Florida West Coast," not the "West Coast of Florida," and that's shorter, so should we use it? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:21, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure. I was between whether to put Florida first or after, and I'd agree to changing the name to the shorter title. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 22:26, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ditto as well. I've also always called it "Florida West Coast". SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:44, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. I wonder if we could promote Big Bend Coast, Tampa Bay Area, and Southwest Florida to first-level region status, and make Florida West Coast an extraregion. Do you guys think this would create too many regions? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 19:00, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

New discussion July 2022
I realize I'm a bit late to the discussion here, but I'm a bit puzzled at the "Inland" region of Florida. It seems odd to me to lump the large areas north and south of the Orlando region in with Orlando while excluding other destinations that are frequently visited by Central Florida travelers. It's much more common to visit Cape Canaveral (or Port Canaveral) or Tampa in conjunction with a visit to the Orlando theme parks than it is to visit Ocala or Gainesville... isn't it? Powers (talk) 20:33, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

 * Few people from any region visit Ocala or Gainesville, as neither are tourist towns, except for the university in Gainesville. And while people travel from one region of Florida to another, as you mention, that doesn't mean the destinations on their itinerary have any common features. Port Canaveral is similar to towns along the Space Coast, but quite unlike Orlando as a whole. Florida's geography makes traveling to regions quite different from one another relatively easy in terms of barriers such as mountains.
 * Also, the places you mention above (Disney, Port Canaveral) are the "whirlwind" tourist stops people visit who come from either the Northern U.S. or abroad and don't have time to travel Florida more comprehensively. The "whirlwind" sites are listed in the Florida article. Not all tourists have only a few days on their schedule and are trying to cram the major sites because they have a long itinerary and limited time.
 * If we revert to the old region hierarchy, we find St. Augustine placed within North Florida even though no tourist in St Augustine is going to travel to the inland parts of North Florida. St. Augustine is far more like Palm Coast, Ormond, and New Smyrna to the south through its cultural influences and tourist appeal, and most closely related to the areas immediately surrounding it in the First Coast. Likewise, while Naples and Miami are both in South Florida, they're totally different from each other because they're separated by the Everglades, which are far larger and more significant than they appear on a U.S. map. Keep in mind that driving from one end of the state to the other is probably a good 12 hours, so even the smallest regions on this map aren't small by New England or British standards.
 * For an example of where regions are divided, take California. We have separate regions for the Gold Country and the Sierra Nevada even though anyone visiting the Gold Country is bound to also visit the Sierra Nevada. However, the two regions are culturally and geographically distinct, so we separate them. All it takes for travelers to visit the next destination on their list is to scroll to "go next" and click the next region they're going it to visit.
 * As for "Inland Florida," that region is divided into regions including Greater Orlando and North Central Florida that were simply too compact and too many colors to show on the map. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 15:55, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

KSC
Should Kennedy Space Center be the ninth other destination? Per wv:7+2, it can be added and I'm surprised that a destination that attracts tourists and space buffs from all over the world isn't listed as an OD in its relevant jurisdiction article. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:02, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

 * Sounds like a good idea to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:19, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it is not listed there because it was not an article until less than two years ago, when you created it. That decision definitely helped in the organization of the surrounding region's articles, and I support adding it as the ninth destination in "other destinations."
 * If the up-to-date SVG file of the map is available, I should add the KSC to the map, as well, below Canaveral National Seashore. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 16:47, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Florida Heartland

Name
So there's already a Everglades National Park -- any reason why this shouldn't redirect there? (WT-en) Majnoona 14:32, 3 July 2006 (EDT)

 * This article was linked as a region of South Florida, although I'm not sure if it's a good one as the area between Lake Okeechobee and the Everglades includes a huge swath of land. I'd be fine with removing that link and making this a redirect. -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:51, 3 July 2006 (EDT)

 * A map would help, but it looks like the intention of this region was to cover the part of South Florida that isn't populated by Ocean-/Gulf-coast beach resorts, with the Everglades being a subset of that. Yeah, it's lot of real estate, but there's not much civilization there. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 16:55, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Region name change
This exact region is called "Florida Heartland" at Wikipedia. I would propose we change the name from "Everglades and Lake Okeechobee" which is rather unwieldy and I'm guessing not really descriptive of the northern portion of the area, especially Hardee County. (WT-en) OldPine 15:26, 4 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Seems OK to me, although I'm a non-resident who has only visited the state a handful of times. The current name seems to indicate that the entire Everglades is included, which probably isn't what we want based on the existing regional breakdown for Florida. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:13, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

 * I agree that we change the region to be called 'Florida Heartland',reason being, that this region of Florida is not only composed of the Everglades, and Lake Okeechobee, but also of  other inland counties — DeSoto, Glades, Hardee, Hendry, Highlands. We then could link them also to Florida Heartland

(WT-en) Flowergirl 21:24, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

Number of cities
There should not be more than 9 cities mentioned here. I don't know which cities are the most relevant so please someone who does: trim them down Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:01, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

 * As this is a bottom-level region, it's fine to list more than 9 cities. See Avoid long lists. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:03, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Florida lighthouses

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Comments
We probably need to add a line or two description to each lighthouse, to develop this page further. (WT-en) gamweb 19:04, 6 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree, and a link to the city each is in. I created the page as a solution to listing them all on the Florida page. If lighthouses are something you're interested in I'll focus elsewhere and let you develop this one.(WT-en) Jtesla16 19:33, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

I agree as well and the pictures should be biger Brittoney McKenzie (talk) 16:20, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Purpose
What is the purpose of this overly long list without any links to where the places are? Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:38, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Florida Panhandle

Why was this page moved? The previous version fit in well with our Article naming conventions. --(WT-en) Evan 17:07, 24 May 2004 (EDT)

 * I moved it because "Florida Panhandle" is what I've heard it called as long as I remember. It seemed less awkward than "Panhandle (Florida)" as well. -- (WT-en) Infrogmation 17:34, 24 May 2004 (EDT)

Subregions
The sub-regions seem to overlap each other here. (WT-en) OldPine 10:18, 7 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Wikipedia:Emerald Coast
 * Wikipedia:West Florida
 * Agreed. Research at Wikipedia seems to indicate that "West Florida" is a name for a different concept and we should keep only the three remaining subregions under the Panhandle. (WT-en) gamweb 10:27, 24 August 2008 (EDT)
 * They still overlap even if you remove one. On my map of Florida, I just used West Florida and Middle Florida, as those two covered all of the counties in the panhandle.  Emerald Coast and Forgotten Coast seemed redundant.  (WT-en) LtPowers 19:14, 24 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I believe we are just going to have to "pick and choose" the counties for the sub regions under the Panhandle to eliminate any overlap. (WT-en) gamweb 20:35, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

Found a Florida counties page with maps that might help: Florida counties. All the counties have their own maps, which are Public Domained at Wikipedia. So we can use them over here. (WT-en) gamweb 20:41, 24 August 2008 (EDT)
 * West and Middle do seem to be all we need here. Could probably redirect the other names appropriately. (WT-en) OldPine 21:53, 24 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Agreed, though Gamweb has a good point that "West Florida" has a different historical meaning. "Middle Florida" is also potentially problematic, as it apparently extends into our "Northern Florida" region.  We may need to rename them.  (WT-en) LtPowers 08:31, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

How about, "East Panhandle" and "West Panhandle?" Leave the division along the lines of the map that LtPowers made. (WT-en) gamweb 13:27, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Cities
The list of Cities needs to be narrowed to at most 9, and less if there are not 9 critical cities in the region. I know that Tallahassee, Pensacola, and Panama City should be on the list, which others? (WT-en) Jtesla16 20:03, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

Overlapping subregions
The subregions of this region overlap, as you can see from the maps in the subregion articles. The simplest solution would be to just get rid of the Forgotten Coast region altogether—then West Florida and Middle Florida would fit together with no overlap or gaps. But I don't know the area, so I don't know if a different solution would make more sense. Any thoughts? (There's also another minor issue, which is that the subregions don't fill up all of the red area in the map in this article, but this isn't really a problem, because the two missing counties are already covered by North Florida.) —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:59, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * See the section above for previous discussion.  Powers (talk) 20:31, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out. If I understand correctly, your suggestion there was to get rid of Forgotten Coast and merge Emerald Coast with West Florida—do you still think that's what we should do? —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:45, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * At that time, West Florida included the Emerald Coast counties. I don't know anything about the panhandle, I'm afraid. Two subregions seems light, but we have that problem in Central Florida as well. Powers (talk) 21:11, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * By the way, there was a discussion about reducing the number of levels in the Flordia hierarchy at Talk:Florida. Input would be appreciated. Powers (talk) 21:14, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks like I fixed this "by accident" ... Don't get that in the way of reworking the region split though, hopefully in the next 10 years? :-D Andree.sk (talk) 18:43, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Florissant Fossil Beds National Monument

Own Article
This article may not qualify for stand-alone status, but I don't know where else to put it. Florissant is too small of a city to have an article, and Cripple Creek is too far away for it to belong there. The park is really famous amongst paleontologists for its fossils, and a lot of work is being done there on the effects of climate change, etc. Let me know what's up. (WT-en) McMurphy 11:06, 2 September 2010 (EDT)


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Talk:Flower Ridge Trail

Is this really an article or something that should go on its parent park article? It sounds like a day trip, not an overnighter. -- (WT-en) Huttite 10:09, 28 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * Since the trail is only 6 km it doesn't even really qualify as an itinerary, so I've moved the information into the parent Strathcona Provincial Park article. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 14:48, 28 Jun 2005 (EDT)

I believe WikiTravel is big enough to completely include the contents of a hiking book such as the one referenced in this article. I wrote this node because my party was disappointed at the amount of information in the book and I'm going to invite them to add to it, so I'd appreciate if you leave it as a separate node for the time being. The ones I've talked to have already discussed adding a picture and map. Also, it's 6km *up*, the ridge itself is significantly longer: we only went one day in. -- (WT-en) Vagary

 * Please check out Project:What is an article? for guidelines about when we do and do not want a separate article to exist. If you wish to propose a different standard for this, the place to raise the issue is Project:What is an article?.   The level of detail regarding this hike makes me wonder if perhaps there is a need for a WikiHiking website devoted to details of the topic.  I could certainly see how tips like elevation gain, water availablity, hazards, and so forth could fill an entire useful site.   Additionally, there are a number of stuff you formatted with double brackets which will never be articles here (e.g. a Mine, a Lake).  Unlike Wikipedia, we do not encylopedically link stuff up.  -- (WT-en) Colin 18:20, 28 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * I changed this back to a redirect, but then thought better of it once saw the other discussion which questioned whether or not this could be a valid itenary. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:24, 28 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * Since this article has not been updated in over a month I've changed this back to a redirect and folded the info into Strathcona Provincial Park. If the information about trails in the park ever becomes unwieldy then it can again be split up, but neither article is currently more than a stub so let's combine for now. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 03:04, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Sleep?
Thanks to the RFC I've taken a look and it appears that this article does not meet the can you sleep there? test. So what we need to figure out is how to incorporate this info into the parent article. -- (WT-en) Mark 20:47, 28 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * There are a number of campsites along the Ridge, so of course you can sleep there. Clearly there is some arbitrary scope boundary for itineraries, can someone help me figure out what it is? -- (WT-en) Vagary

I've got it! it's called wikioutdoors! [](WT-en) Nankai 21:54, 25 February 2007 (EST)

title: Talk:Flower Ridge Trail