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User talk:Jpatokal/2007

WHY IS MY MAP OF MEDAN "DUBIOUS" - PROVIDE SOME JUSTIFICATION!! DON'T JUST DELETE USEFUL INFO WITHOUT REASON.

Delhi
I thought sections called “Attractions near Metro Station” and “Connections to NCR region via Metro” would be very useful for travelers and tourists. Don't you think so? Please suggest - Dhempe

Dallas?
Did you click revert for Dallas by accident? I'm having trouble seeing anything wrong. -- (WT-en) Colin 22:28, 2 January 2007 (EST)

 * Oops — didn't realize it was Jonboy who removed the links, not anon. Thanks for spotting my booboo, I rolled back the rollback. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:46, 2 January 2007 (EST)

Edit count stats
Do you know of a page that displays the weekly edit counts stats for the various language versions? -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 01:05, 6 January 2007 (EST)

 * Special:Statistics. Or wts:Multilingual statistics, effective yesterday... (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:15, 6 January 2007 (EST)

 * Close, but no cigar. I'm looking for a page, which might be in the /webalizer/ namespace, that has logged the weekly edit counts for the past couple of years.  Hmmm. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 01:20, 6 January 2007 (EST)

 * I don't think such a page exists, although I did a few queries like that a while ago. Do you want me to make you one? --(WT-en) Evan 01:24, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Admin nomination
I've nominated User:(WT-en) Cacahuate to become an admin; please comment on Project:administrator nominations when you have some time. --(WT-en) Evan 01:27, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Age of Consent
While reducing the amount of commentary about sex crimes by a contributor (which I thought was needed too) you added the age of consent for a few countries. What you wrote for some of them like Philippines and Cambodia doesn't match what Interpol says. I'm not sure what source you're working from, so I thought I'd ask before I make further edits in case you have a more useful source. -- (WT-en) Colin 00:51, 8 January 2007 (EST)

 * I was just doing random googling, so I'm pretty sure Interpol is a more reliable source. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:54, 8 January 2007 (EST)

 * I was trying to cross check a few places and did use some information from an AIDS awareness website called Avert and also a little from Unicef reports. I had not thought to check Interpol. The Cambodian constitution says 15 but Interpol says 16. I assume a recent law raised the age. (WT-en) marchinvietnam 19:50, 14 January 2007 (EST)

Miyajima
Thanks for joining in on Miyajima this afternoon. Let me know if you think my image addition / swap ruins the wa. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 00:46, 9 January 2007 (EST)

 * I thought the colors were a bit muted in the torii picture, since it's at dusk, and therefore wasn't an ideal 'grabber'. And the formatting worked better with the long horizontal of the dance picture up top (as opposed to the more info-heavy 'See' section). But you're certainly right about the iconic-ness of the torii, so please do fiddle and re-arrange if you think it'll work better. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 01:02, 9 January 2007 (EST)

 * Works for me! (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 01:34, 9 January 2007 (EST)

Language version ranking on Shared
The new table is a great tool for analysing and understanding the versions' growth. Thanks for creating it! -- (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 08:01, 12 January 2007 (EST)

Bhutan
The southeastern border of Bhutan has been allowing travelers to exit for some time. The problems were that there was no provision for offering exit stamps there, and so travelers still had to return to Phuentsholing to get the paper work done. Do you know if that has changed? I've not read anything in the local press to that effect. Also, the Indian authorities on the Assam border were only offering entry stamps to foreigners on a case by case basis. Do you know if that has changed? Without this stamp, travelers will have problems departing from India. (WT-en) WindHorse 12:14, 14 January 2007 (EST)

 * I based my edit on this; please add the caveats. (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:55, 15 January 2007 (EST)
 * It seems like your source is quite up-to-date. However, the only time this issue has been mentioned in the local press was a 9 Jan 2007 article that stated that the national assembly were considering opening this border. Here is online version of the article: . Anyway, this issue is well documented on the Samdrup Jongkhar page, and so I'll add link to that for clarification. (WT-en) WindHorse 02:22, 15 January 2007 (EST)

Would you please upload...
Could I ask you to upload this? Your site doesn't give copyright info and I don't want to assume what you told me about your images already uploaded to WT is the same for images not yet uploaded. Thanks. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 23:57, 17 January 2007 (EST)

Image OK'd
I called the Norwegian Embassy in Azerbaijan and it seems that they are fine with the usage of the Sheki tourism map. How, according to Wikivoyage rules do I post the image on the Sheki site? Thanks for your assistance!

Jpatokal, I'm sorry
Listen, I'm sorry for lying about the image. And you're perfectly right about me not being a wikivoyager, but please consider. you are welcome to block me off (i promise never never to do it ever again). if you think that you can forgive me, please post your comments on my talk page. with due apology (once again), (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 08:05, 22 January 2007 (EST)

193.120.72.209
Hey there, just a quick question since you're online... what's with all of the hotel websites that his person is adding that all end in ?r=947 like http://www.themerchanthotel.com/?r=947 - is this something fishy... like maybe getting a referral credit or something? (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 10:54, 22 January 2007 (EST)

Re: thanks
Thanks, not too difficult on my part... I've been a significant editor of the article that that image is used in on Wikipedia, so that image in a travel guide on India stuck out like a sore thumb. Cheers, (WT-en) JYolkowski 20:10, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Millenium
Will it really be the new millennium in Ethiopia on September 11, 2007? One thing that always drove me nuts was when people would be preparing for the "millennium" in 1999, when in fact the new millennium didn't start until January 1, 2001 00:01. (At least according to the Gregorian calendar.) -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 01:45, 27 January 2007 (EST)
 * I can answer my own question and no, it will not be the new Ethiopian millennium this year on September 11th. We have to wait until 2008 year of the Gregorian calendar.  Also, the new year actually begins on September 12, 2007 .  This is because the new year always starts a day later than normal, on years preceding the Gregorian leap year.   Do you care if I revert that trivium as it's not true? -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 01:56, 27 January 2007 (EST)

Image
Dearest Commander of the Bots,

Can I remove the image of the buddhist temple from the discover template or will that interfere with (WT-en) DiscoverBot's behavior?-- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 03:25, 28 January 2007 (EST)

 * You can remove it manually, but then please copy it into the archive. I was just about to write something about this on Discover's talk... (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:26, 28 January 2007 (EST)

 * Cool. Thanks. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 03:27, 28 January 2007 (EST)

Template:Vfd
Hey Jani - I'm not sure if your experiment with the VFD template was a work in progress or not, but I was getting a link to Wikipedia from one of the new additions so I rolled it back for now. Feel free to revert my revert if I've misunderstood something. -- (WT-en) Ryan 13:52, 28 January 2007 (EST)

Huazhou
MMMMMMMWWWWWAHHHH! Thanks for saving me the time of looking up where Huazhou is. --(WT-en) Evan 21:51, 30 January 2007 (EST)

 * wipes slobber off cheek Now to figure out why somebody would actually want to go there... (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:04, 30 January 2007 (EST)
 * Uh, does Evan get HugAFinn points for that? (WT-en) Maj 22:44, 30 January 2007 (EST)

 * Sorry, according to Rule 3 you two are already maxed out. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:29, 31 January 2007 (EST)

Starting another language version of wikivoyage
How does one start wikivoyage in a new language?? I'd like to start a Hindi or/and Bengali wikivoyage. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 05:28, 2 February 2007 (EST)

 * Thanx. But it says that you have to gather 5 users and there aren't 5 H/B speakers. What do I do???202.141.71.10

You still around Delhi?
I'll be there on Tuesday, flying home Wednesday night... wanna grab a bite? (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 05:38, 4 February 2007 (EST)

 * My flight's at around 11:30pm... so leaving for airport around 8:30pm... up for lunch or an early dinner?

 * Just off Janpath near Connaught Place... (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 09:08, 4 February 2007 (EST)

 * Sounds nice! Don't worry if it's too much trouble, just thought it would be fun to say hi... i'm heading out, so will check in in the a.m... (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 09:23, 4 February 2007 (EST)

 * sorry, forgot to respond last night! i'll call you shortly and we can figure it out... (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 01:57, 7 February 2007 (EST)

 * I found the spot, see you there around 7p :)   (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 06:47, 7 February 2007 (EST)

Faroese
My bad - some of the other edits from that IP looked questionable, and so I just assumed Faroese was as well. That'll teach me not to mess about with Scandinavian articles when the Jani-bot is patrolling. -- (WT-en) Virginia 22:19, 5 February 2007 (EST)

Google maps
Can I ask why "we don't do Google maps"? Surely it's a valuable service to provide an exact location? (WT-en) Bobo12345 23:06, 5 February 2007 (EST)

Zimbabwe?
Hi, I see you have reverted an edit I made on Zimbabwe. I can't see what is wrong with my change; the article does not match the country template and my change just fixes that. -- (WT-en) NJR_ZA 23:41, 5 February 2007 (EST)

 * Ah, OK. Thanks. -- (WT-en) NJR_ZA 00:15, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Want Henro pic on Shared
Hello. I writting ja:四国八十八箇所霊場 article, so I want place this picture on article. Please share on Wikivoyage Shared. Best regards.--(WT-en) Kussy 22:55, 6 February 2007 (EST)

 * Thanks!--(WT-en) Kussy 03:36, 7 February 2007 (EST)

Image:Taipei Districts.PNG
Could I ask you to ask the creator of the Taipei districts map (Image:Taipei Districts.PNG) to provide me with the svg format? Unfotunately, for me, the user's user page is in Chinese so I'm a little loss and since your Chinese is better than mine I'd appreciate the help. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 15:03, 7 February 2007 (EST)

Confirming my photography
Dear Jpatokal,

Yes, I can confirm that the pictures I have added on the Guiyang, Guizhou and Anshun pages are mine. I took the Anshun and Guizhou pictures in 2004 while I was living in Zunyi. I took the picture of the Jiaxiu Pavilion in Guiyang earlier this week since I currently reside there.

So you live in Singapore? Cool, I lived there from 1997-2000. It's a great place. Cheers, guiyang_laoshi

href spam pattern
Hi Jani - I've restored the href spam pattern in Project:Local spam blacklist as we seem to have a sharp increase in spam with it removed - see Special:Contributions/209.160.73.78 for one example. What exactly was it blocking, and is there perhaps some other way to resolve the issue? -- (WT-en) Ryan 16:22, 11 February 2007 (EST)

Thanks
Thanks for your encouraging words.... (WT-en) Webkami 04:05, 13 February 2007 (EST)

L.I.T.
Have you ever seen the movie Lost in Translation? If so, there's a part of the movie where Bill Murray is on a set and a Japanese director is going on and on about something, then the translator simply says "Turn toward the camera". By any chance would you know if that's really what they were saying in Japanese or were they talking about something else completely? Thanks. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 23:14, 17 February 2007 (EST)

 * → (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:10, 18 February 2007 (EST)

Bots and Brisbane
Would it be possible to set up a bot to detect the Myer Center vandalism on the Brisbane article? It's the same thing every time, no variance. Have to give the guy credit for persistence. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 07:34, 18 February 2007 (EST)

Kyoto inns
Do you think it's worth porting in the ryokans in the Japanese Innkeepers Association listings for Kyoto? Informative, or clutter? I haven't stayed at any of them - all I can do is comment on their location (and, in a few cases, their exterior). (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 22:40, 19 February 2007 (EST)

 * Why not? I've already listed the one I've stayed in myself. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:51, 19 February 2007 (EST)

Guinsa
Hey, I want to import Guinsa to de: and we're going to translate it to make it our next "OtPB", which we call "AdTp", the only problem is that while I import it your name shows up on the "history" somewhere along the line the site won't attribute you in the footer. Would you be upset if I instead attributed you as the author on the talk page of the article? -- (WT-en) Sapphire 20:23, 20 February 2007 (EST)

 * Kein Problem. (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:58, 20 February 2007 (EST)

 * Danke. The import feature decided to work correctly so your name shows up on the footer.  Can you tell us what are the geographic coordinates are?  I'm sure it's pointless to worry about the postal code and area codes, but the coordinates would help us. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 03:59, 22 February 2007 (EST)

 * Keine Anung. Your next question should be answerable with "ein Döner Kebab, bitte" or "Ich habe Sauerkraut in meinen Lederhosen", otherwise you'll soon exhaust my German vocab... (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:35, 22 February 2007 (EST)

From Talk:Shimla
Hey,Mr. Jani, I didn't mean to sound rude or anything. If I did, I just want to point out that no offence was meant okay. BTW, Shimla has a lot of mid-range accomodation(Rs 2500-3000) and most of it is concentrated on Cart Road and The Mall(especially the Eastern bit). P.S. Hey, please don't refer to me as my little spoiled boy - I repeat, I'm sorry, I agree I crossed the limits of decency. I'm copying this onto your talk page. — (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 08:39, 23 February 2007 (EST)

Photos
May I use some of your photos for a geography project on SE Asia on a powerpoint presentation? Only 2 of them, the Singapore one and the Thailand one? Please let me know on my talk-page. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 08:51, 23 February 2007 (EST)
 * Thanks. So if an image is licensed by CC-SA, I can use it for purposes such as this without asking permission from the owner? Does the same rule apply for GDFL? (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 11:18, 23 February 2007 (EST)

Rai Leh
Jpatokal, you undid a lot of good edits/additions that I had to made to Rai Leh. I'm guessing that you undid them in error but if there is something that you didn't like, such as formatting or style, let me know and I'll fix it. Otherwise, I'm left scratching my head. (WT-en) Johnycanal 16:27, 23 February 2007 (EST)

Delhi
What is your justification of labeling BAPS as controversial in the Delhi article? (WT-en) Moksha88 16:35, 23 February 2007 (EST)
 * What's you justification for not calling it controversial. I reverted your edit, because we don't believe in NPOV.  We purposely have a point of view and we're not about to give that up.  Our POV is travelers need to know the truth so if a place serves mediocre vegetarian food then we say so.  -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 16:50, 23 February 2007 (EST)

Ubud, Bali
Hi, I made edits to the Ubud article yesterday, and I see you cleaned them up some; thanks. I've just made some more and thought I should explain that the phone number format here is to use +62361... when calling from outside Indonesia, and to use 0361... for calls placed from inside the contry (handphones work with either format). Your site probably has guidelines on this sort of thing somewhere, but I've not seen them.

FYI, this is an internet cafe machine, so other may edit using it. This IP is used by many different places.

North Korea - Embassies
Hi, I see you reverted my changes to the sentance US and Canadian citizens can visit the Swedish Embassy for advice, thats changed now, the British Embassy now incorporates the Canadian Diplomatic Consular Mission, offering basic services for Canadians.:) --(WT-en) MiddleEastern 08:55, 25 February 2007 (EST)

Great Wall of China
Thanks for keeping me on the straight and narrow. It took so long to write up the changes for the page that I was at the point of seeing the trees and not the forest. Great idea about the provincial sections inthe SEE section. It never even crossed my mind about doing it that way. (WT-en) Celticevergreen 00:27, 26 February 2007 (EST)

School
Would you please school me in what "synthetic school" means? From Guinsa: A synthetic school that holds the Lotus Sutra as the peak of the Buddha's teachings, Cheontae posits the following mindbending truths... -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 21:25, 26 February 2007 (EST)

 * That's either my typo or somebody's mistaken typo correction for "syncretic". (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:22, 27 February 2007 (EST)

 * Thanks for the clarification. I'll get around to fixing that, but could I ask you to look at the map on Guinsa?  I've found an amazing source of information geographic coordinates, but I think it has the wrong data for "Kuinsa", unless there's a second place with the same name South Korea.  Thank you in advance. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 21:11, 27 February 2007 (EST)

 * What map are you referring to? For a rough idea, Guinsa's located in the northeasternmost tip of North Chungcheong. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:52, 27 February 2007 (EST)

 * The map link under the "Toolbox". You can see it using this link. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 00:07, 28 February 2007 (EST)

 * The Yahoo map looks roughly correct to me, it's just very low on detail -- eg. Danyang is missing completely, but Cheongju etc seem to be in the right place. (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:19, 28 February 2007 (EST)

osakaの記事について
"If Tokyo ..."の記述、大阪・東京比較、関東・関西比較は間違っていますよ. 俗説のネタです. 事実誤認、捏造もあり���す. 訂正されたし.

Is this image legit?
Hey Jani, check out this image -- http://shared.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Image:Great_sand_dunes.JPEG -- and see whether you think it's on the level. Several things about it don't look right to me. (I've been to the park it illustrates.) -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:50, 1 March 2007 (EST)

 * That's one mighty pointy dune, and the colors have been postprocessed, but that's still in the realm of artistic license if you ask me... (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:57, 2 March 2007 (EST)

Crime doesn't pay
Sorry to hear (via Talk:Osaka) that you're facing a three-year prison term for your role as first violinist in the mokarimakka scandal. But dangerous people do need to be locked up, so... (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 10:54, 3 March 2007 (EST)

 * Curses! Now you know why I've been on the run for the past three years.  Time to pay baksheesh to some more cops here in Delhi so the clammy hand of the law (or, worse yet, rabid Hanshin fans) don't catch up with me quite yet... (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:25, 3 March 2007 (EST)

 * Good to know you were behind bars. The Japanese should tighten the security in their prisons if people like you are locked up in them. I'll just pick up my receiver and call the Delhi cops if you don't mind..... (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • <small>( Talk )</small> • <small>( (WT-en) Travel )• 08:07, 5 March 2007 (EST)

Categories
Hi, I found this and saw the problem of Japanese categories. Sorry. If need, I'll put them back. By the way, I changed categories of Hong Kong and France. Is it problem? ja:User:(WT-ja) Tatata 10:48, 4 March 2007 (EST)

Busted bot
Looks like DiscoverBot is on the fritz again, in a new and creative way. It's taking things off the top of the queue, but apparently not updating Template:Discover with the extracted item, just sending them off to write-only memory. There has been no change in the displayed trivia for several days now. Suppose you might investigate? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 17:31, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Ping
Project:Star nominations -- (WT-en) Colin 15:00, 9 March 2007 (EST)

Airlines and FF programs
Jani: What would you think of having articles about airlines and frequent flyer programs on Wikivoyage? The idea nibbles at me every time I try to figure something out through Flyertalk and can't find it. (They don't even know how to use their own wiki!) - (WT-en) Sekicho 22:30, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Mmf -- I've thought about this myself and it has been discussed before, although I can't find the discussion now. It would represent a fairly major expansion of scope for Wikivoyage, but if others are in favor, why not? (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:10, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

Dharamsala
If you haven't been there already, that popular Japanese restaurant (Lung Ta) is good - down Jogibara Rd south of the center.... mmmmmmm – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 03:52, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Nice work on the new additions and photos! So is Malabar or Taste of India the "best Indian food in town"? As of now they're both claiming the title... – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 03:06, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Ta. The one thing the article now really needs is a map, but unfortunately Google's satellite imagery is useless.

 * Re: Malabar vs Taste, dunno, but I'm fairly sure that one Indian place we sampled, Ashoka, is not the best in town. As for Lung-Ta, I actually wanted to go there, but my Japanese travel buddy objected — she didn't come all the way to Dharamsala for rice and miso soup! (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:56, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

Your photos on my user page
Hey, my user page contains 2 or 3 photos of yours, I've credited you in the image caption, so hope you don't mind.

P.S. Your photography is superb, how did you learn to take such excellent shots? I was viewing your travel photo website yesterday. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 06:58, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

 * No worries, that's what this copyleft thing is all about. And as for how to get good travel pics, it's easy: just take 500 pictures, select the best one and put it on your website.  Then repeat weekly for 10 years. =P (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:54, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

 * I reckon I've taken a good few 100 photos in my life, but none of mine have turned up as well as the Jaswant Thada image or the blue city pic. Here's a barnstar for some outstanding photography. [[Image:Original Barnstar.png|thumb|250px|Well done!]]

Hindi wt
Hi, do you speak Hindi by any chance. If you do, see if you can sign up at the which launched day-before. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 06:05, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

P.S. We added a photo of yours to the main page and want to credit you. How exactly is Jani Patokallio pronounced

Yeah-Nee Pat-o-cal-yo??

 * My Hindi is pretty much limited to bargaining with rickshaw-wallahs. (Teen sau!? Nahi, paanch rupaye!!!)  And as for pronunciation, not too bad a guess, although yah-nee is a bit closer. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:11, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Ha ha. I am spelling it as यानी पटोकालियो. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 08:39, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Admin nom.
I've nominated myself for admin-status, please comment on Project:Administrator nominations -- (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 08:45, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Hello, I think you missed this. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 09:07, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

other sites
I've provided you with an answer to your other sites problem. I figured I'd leave a note here just to make sure it doesn't get lost in the recent changes and you continue to have the problem on fi:. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 19:01, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Why do you keep changing the edits on the Sihanoukville page? Whats the problem?

Your linguistic abilities
Hey man, how did you learn so many languages? And I believe you know Tamil as well! How many do you speak? (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 09:30, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Hey man, what's the comment below supposed to mean? (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) •

Did you miss this or were you too bothered to reply? (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) �� ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 01:50, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Travel to many places, learn many languages. See Babel box on my user page for the list.  And no, despite the best efforts of a friend of mine my Tamil is limited to nandri and a choice selection of obscenities. (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:52, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Well, I did pick up a bit of German when I went to Switzerland. But waht I mean is, do you take classes or just pick up the languages by talking to the locals? (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 11:40, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Both. (WT-en) Jpatokal 16:41, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Cool! (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 05:03, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

Uh
Coasters, Serendipity Beach. One of the older restaurant/hotels on the beach, with older wooden huts (fan only) and newer brick buildings (air-con). Location on the beach is superb, close to nightlife yet quiet, but rooms are basic, plumbing is dodgy. PLUMBING IS NOT DODGY THE ONLY THING THATS DODGY IS YOUR REVIEW. restaurant gets mixed reviews. WHERE IN THE WORLD IS THERE A RESTAURANT THAT GETS STATIC REVIEWS? and service has drawn many complaints. PLEASE SHOW ME THE MANY COMPLAINTS ( How many?? From where? point me towards them?) Rates from US$15 (fan) to $55 (Wrong Wrong Wrong )Rates are from $8 To $60(beachside air-con), fairly expensive for what you get. THE BEACHSIDE AIRCON IS ALWAYS FULL>>>>>EXPLAIN THAT! Lets get to the bottom of this.....where do you get your information from?? And again I ask ....why didnt you offer the information about the guest house where people are being scammed.....I gave you the link to that. Why didnt you use it?

 * Breathe deeply. See the box at the top of this page.  Follow instructions.  Rinse.  Repeat. (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:30, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

Brain
Could I ask you to stop by review and review what I'm trying to do? I'd really appreciate any help you could provide, especially as your brain is pretty good with this stuff. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 13:48, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Uh, what stuff and where? And right now my brain is pretty fried with jet lag (35 hours of April 7th down and 13 left to go). (WT-en) Jpatokal 14:03, 7 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Ouch. 8( If you go to review:, then check the "Recent changes" you should see what I'm talking about.  I don't want to go into so many details.  The specific changes I'm talking about are the only changes logged for today's date.  By the way, might I suggest some sleep. (Not that you haven't already thought of it.) -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 14:45, 7 April 2007 (EDT)
 * You might be surprised at how difficult that can be when jet-lagged. :) -- (WT-en) Mark 20:06, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

publico
Did that information I sent to Evan and he forwarded to you prove helpful? Also, did you take the M-1? -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 10:42, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Yes and yes, see for the full scoop. I think my luck was a little better than yours in terms of travel time and price though... (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:57, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

image license
Can you select a license for Image:Beomeosa Temples.JPG, and maybe upload it to shared? Gracias... – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 01:53, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

 * All my images are GFDL/CC by-sa 2.0 multi-licensed. That pic and more available here: (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:48, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

Maps of Singapore
Hi Jpatokal!

Could you upload the .svg-sources of your great maps of Singapore? I want to translate them to German if you do not mind. Thanks! --(WT-en) Flip666 writeme! • 04:04, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

Webby
Why be such a party-pooper? Can you make it clear on Talk:Main Page why you don't want mention of the Webby Award to be (temporarily) in the introduction on the Main Page? --(WT-en) Evan 13:38, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Actually, don't. Or save it for another day. I don't feel like getting in a fight with you about it today. --(WT-en) Evan 13:54, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

Kansai airport
Can we have for Wikivoyage Shared? (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 12:58, 4 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Of course. See user page =) (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:55, 6 May 2007 (EDT)

Map template
As a result of a discussion on Project:Copyleft I was wondering if you'd be so kind as to un-license your contributions to Image:Wikivoyage-map-template.svg and release it to the public domain? This would make creating maps from templates easier, because as a technicality we'd currently need to attribute you and Nick Roux in any and all maps. Also, did you use any other works from other authors from whom we'd need to gain permission to release the template into the PD? Thanks. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 23:11, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

Turkey is in europe isnt in mid-east AegeanFighter

San Juan Puerto rico
Can you revert the vandalism on the page I don't know how to undo multiple edits.
 * never mind it got fixed.

Semi interesting article
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/world/asia/21india.html?th&emc=th

When are you heading back there anyway? I sorta miss it already – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 12:29, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

 * All too familiar (I used to stay a stone's throw away from the mall in the first pic). Here are some of my own musings on the sheer weirdness of the place -- and why I'm in no hurry to go back.　(To Gurgaon, anyway. South India's still on the agenda.) (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:47, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Love the Road Upgradation pic, that's classic :)   Yeah, the south is another world in many regards. here's what awaits you! – (WT-en) cacahuate   talk 13:29, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

Cagayan de Oro
I have read the policy on adult oriented links and find it reasonable. However in the case of Cagayan de Oro City especially in the Philippines, there has been efforts to rid of the sex image. Placing links to these type of bars does not help at all. In fact the first gay bar in the city was almost closed due to complaints from concern citizens. Personally I do not want my city to be known as such because of one single adult website. I hope you reconsider your web policy based on our local concerns. thanks

 * → Talk:Cagayan de Oro (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:22, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Goa
Did you mean to revert that far on Goa? I know the editor wasn't following the MoS to a tee and some things needed to be removed, but he added some useful info too, especially all of those hotel websites... – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 01:29, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

 * I know, I was like doh! when I saw that, but the hotel listings are in entirely the wrong place, and if he was stupid enough to ignore the big honking warnings saying so... (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:51, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

 * The hotel lists were already there, he just added the websites to them... they do need to be moved, but for now I restored the websites so that they're there when someone familiar and with the desire finally moves them off the main Goa page :)  – (WT-en) cacahuate   talk 01:58, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Star nomination
Care to comment before Ann Arbor is starred? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 22:46, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

CotW unscheduled nominations are getting a bit thin!
We could do with a few more suggestions for articles that could be future CotWs, so if you know of any please be sure to add them to the list! Thanks -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 08:03, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

Bump
Is Talk:Myanmar perhaps one of those unofficial exceptions to the rule? -- (WT-en) Colin 15:25, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

Pearl Harbor
Pearl Harbor actually refers either to the body of water or the military base down the road. Pearl Harbor as a location would be the same as saying Tokyo Bay. Its not Tokyo Bay but Tokyo while Pearl Harbor is no more or less than Honolulu. (WT-en) Celticevergreen 04:46, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

PS - feel free to edit the content down (WT-en) Celticevergreen 04:47, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

Help concerning one of your pics
Hi

I am trying to update a new version of your pic http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Image:Map_tokyo_districts.png

I can not find a "update" link, nor can I delete the pic to post a pic with the same name....

What should I do ?

 * Upload a new version with the same name. It will ask if you want to overwrite the old version; say yes. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:13, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

Use of Yasukuni Image
We were hoping to use your image of Yasukuni shrine in a textbook entitled Modern East Asia: An Introductory History by John H. Miller. Please let me know at your earliest convenience if you will allow us to use your image and how you would like to be listed in the credits.

Thank you for your help.

Best regards,

M. Parsons M.E. Sharpe, Inc.

Search engine upgrade
Jani, when you get a chance, could you check out the new search engine on review (http://wikivoyage.org/review/Special:Search) and give your feedback on wts:WtTech:Lucene search? It's the search tool that Wikipedia uses, and I think it's going to be a good upgrade for us. --(WT-en) Evan 12:37, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

Oi!
Thanks for the nod. Don't let this textbook stardom go to your head, though. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 16:56, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

User:(WT-en) KrobyHouse
Watch this one. Its vandalism per unit time is impressive. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 01:01, 16 June 2007 (EDT)

Kyoto Cheapest Inn
It's possible that they keep reverting the description on the Kyoto page because they offer transportation of convenience itself (which has recently begun to appear on shelves in Lawson's in sprayable form), and they want the description to reflect that, so travelers know they won't have to lug their bottles of convenience around with them. Just a thought. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 12:57, 18 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Not only that, but they actively convenience shopping, bank, postoffice and etc. For some reason the bit about having "English available" seems a bit dubious though. (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:31, 18 June 2007 (EDT)

DiscoverBot
Whatever happened to the bot? Why doesn't it update the Discover template anymore? -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 23:12, 19 June 2007 (EDT)

 * It's not happy with the current version of Mediawiki and I've been away/too busy to debug the thoroughly obscure error message it's giving. Fortunately we have the BilloverthehillBot as a replacement... (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:53, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

TOC
Care to add anything else the the revived TOC discussion? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 20:42, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

Hamamatsu Airport bus
Hi there! I'm just curious why you side with whoever removed the bit about the EWing direct non-stop bus between Hamamatsu and Centrair Airport. I still think it is relevant and useful info. (WT-en) Texugo 04:08, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Oh, snap!
You've been called out! (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 10:35, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Way to keep the guides lively JP! You're an example for us all... – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 18:05, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Alas, I can't claim credit for coming up with that line, it's scrounged from somewhere else -- but I can't remember where I read it. Sniff. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:05, 1 July 2007 (EDT)

Baby Jesus
Just an observation, but I doubt Baby Jesus' break point is infoboxes in listings, especially considering what He went through one time – a flogging, having a crown of thorns placed on His head, being spat on while being struck with a stick on the head, then He was crucified, then He died, then a Roman stuck a spear in Jesus' side and drained His blood. Then Baby Jesus was dragged off and placed in a tomb for three days, until He arose.

But if you're right, it's kind of ironic that Baby Jesus could spring back from all of that, but is emotionally crushed when someone misuses infoboxes. Maybe I'll write a banner that says "Infobox Hits 4 Jesus". -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 03:16, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Actually, the Bible says that Jesus was ~35 years old when that unpleasantness occurred, so he was hardly a baby anymore at the time. (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:46, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Oh yeah... I kind of forgot about it since we don't hear about anything in between. 8) Just out of curiosity, what inspired your comment? At first, it reminded me of the movie Talladega Nights, which I unfortunately have to admit to watching, because Ricky Bobby is always praying to "Baby Jesus".   Afterwards, I remembered watching a CNN piece, in which a baby Jesus was stolen from a nativity scene two-and-a-half-years ago and was returned last Christmas along with a photo album depicting the baby Jesus' adventures.-- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 07:11, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

 * → http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=make+baby+jesus+cry (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:57, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Sapphire, he was in India inventing the hippie trail during those "in-between" years... I think he was about 20 when he invented the birkenstock – (WT-en) cacahuate   talk 13:56, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

 * And, of course, He actually died in Japan. (That guy they crucified in Jerusalem was his twin brother Isukiri.)  It says so on Wikivoyage, so it must be true: Shingo. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:18, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

 * All this talk about Baby Jesii is making me hungry. Or is it that I forgot to eat breakfast? (WT-en) Texugo 22:54, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Some years ago I was cycling in Tokyo. It was December, and some stores were doing Christmas promotions. As I passed a department store window something caught my eye, and I thought, "mmm that's not right". I back pedaled, and there was a nativity scene with all the main characters - the wise men and camels etc, and peering into the crib was -- Santa Claus in full garb, and his reindeer were 'parked' next to the camels. Now, I don't know much about the Judea-Christian traditions, but even I knew that was wrong, but after the Shingo explanation about Siberia and Alaska it's all finally beginning to fall into place... (WT-en) WindHorse 23:28, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

 * A famous urban legend alleges that, shortly after the war, an unnamed major department store in Tokyo decided to celebrate Christmas in Western style and decked their windows with an elaborate holiday display, whose centerpiece was... a crucified Santa Claus. Ho ho ho! (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:45, 6 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Ha, ha, ha! I love the path this conversation took!  WindHorse, any chance you have photos of that display?  Jani, where exactly does it mention Isukiri on the WT?  By the way, in 2004 I met Jesus' cousin in Munich.  His name is Joel and he's "from an hour north of SF.  We ended up getting drunk and causing havoc.  Jesus's Cousin was fun. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 00:36, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Ah, nevermind, Jani. I just noticed the Shingo link. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 00:39, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Admin post
''C'mon, just try it. It feels really good, all the other cool kids are already admins, and the first rollback is free''. I really appreciate your invitation, but, you know, at the moment I really enjoy editing at WT and hope my efforts can help some traveler, but perhaps part of the fun is that I don't feel any responsibility. Obviously, becoming a volunteer admin is not like accepting a high pressured job at Microsoft, but somehow it changes the atmosphere. Furthermore, later in the year I'm going to be in some very remote regions for several months where there are few places with electricity, let alone internet connections. So, maybe let's think about next year when I am hooked up to the net again. Anyway, take it easy, and be careful about offering me a free rollback. I might be tempted to hit one of those complicated Japanese poems that you have translated. Ah! Take it easy. (WT-en) WindHorse 08:25, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

Bot
Hi! I upload that for Python Wikipedia Robot Framework sourceforge team. I hope, they will accept the patch! :) Best wishes: (WT-en) Dorgan 09:18, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Thx, but I don't understand, why I must hack wikipedia.py? It seems working fine with interwiki without hacking. (WT-en) Dorgan 14:25, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

Split pages
Jani, you had some strong opinions about the plan to tech:optionally split long guides into one page per section. Since I've got a new version of software on review: to do this, I'd love to get your feedback on the shared: tech page. --(WT-en) Evan 13:25, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

Italic romanization?
Hi Jani, could you comment about this on the following talk page please? Thanks.

I recently edited the style guideline to call for italicizing of romanizations because I noted we were doing it that way. So now I'm wondering if italicizing romanizations is actually what we should be doing or not and why we have been doing it.

Why are we italicizing romanizations, eg Shanghai (上海 Shànghǎi)?

Please reply on Project:Romanization

Thanks :-) (WT-en) Rogerhc 18:34, 16 July 2007 (EDT)

120-pixel thumbnail?
Ha Ha. My error. I'll try again. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:32, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

Stockholm
Thanks for your feedback. I certainly didn't intend to break style guidelines - although I realise now that there were some details I didn't notice when quickly scanning them. However, I can't really see in what way I've made "large formatting changes" to existing text that has taken it from correct formatting to incorrect. Rather, the formatting of existing attractions in the Stockholm article seems to have been rather far from the Manual of Style for quite some time without anyone noticing, and I just copied some of the formatting already used in the article (but actually tried to bring my additions more in line with the prescribed format, e.g. adding phone numbers and opening times in some places). For example, I see now that what is called "front-linking" is frowned upon. This seemed to be the standard in the article's listing and I just kept with that. If you actually mean that I've changed things for the worse, it would be very helpful if you could be more specific.

As for linking to maps I must say I find the policy strange. Considering the Project:The traveller comes first slogan, I thought it would be better to actually be able to point to a small street not easily found on a map. Surely, "our own maps" would be better, but if I'm not prepared to draw them, the alternative is obviously no map at all. However, I realize I should take that over at the policy pages. Although I think I prefer to add useful information rather than engage in policy debates. Feel free to remove the Google Maps links if you wish. (WT-en) Alarm 08:36, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

 * OK then. No worries. (WT-en) Alarm 09:16, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

How to update the web at wikivoyage?
How to update the web links at wikivoyage? I saw this website that has good location search and all for the city Jakarta, at www.petaku.com, and the link was reverted. Any guide that i miss handle?

 * Project:External links (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:32, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

ACk! U deleted some of the food lists that i want to add too! Along with some other small informations.......

It is sad though, since people can actually see the places and all with map guide, but being prohibited from the site information.

Obihiro
Thanks for the edit. I've finished putting parentheses around the Japanese.

I am less enthusiastic about the jokey (and in some cases inaccurate) section headings. On Wikipedia I'm used to choosing my own headings. Is this verboten on WikiTravel? For example I am unhappy about reclassifying a campsite as a budget hotel. I'm sure you were just following a format, but it seems to be a straightjacket and it affects the accessibility of the information.

One other thing - which I have taken up at the Pub - someone else has been credited as original author! Best regards. -- (WT-en) Kleinzach 22:36, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

 * Thanks for your reply. Your point about formatting is well taken. A straightjacket is useful if the headings are accurate and in good English. In this case using vague imperatives is strange to a native speaker - but I will take my views on this to the appropriate part of WikiTravel - assuming I find it! Best. -- (WT-en) Kleinzach 06:10, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

wts:Image:Chingodo Lanterns.JPG
Hello!

I have a problem on shared: that this image doesn't a have licensing tag. I know some (or many?) images you've uploaded are not tagged a license, and I also know you are permitting on (WT-en) your user page. But I think this way is not a good model for other contributors, especially for new comers, done by a great contributor and administrator like you.

If you delegate license tagging to me, I'm O.K. to tag your images without a license specified on shared: and ja: when I find them by chance. If you agree on my suggestion, please make a section ==Delegation== / ==委任== (or other appropriate term) at the bottom of my user page on (WT-shared) shared: and (WT-ja) ja: and write to do so with a tag to be used (e.g.   ) and your signature.

Now I'm thinking to add those images to VFD page on shared: (and maybe on ja: too) in the near future, because there are some contributors including an admin who don't care our image policy seriously. But I want to keep those images if I can. Thanks. -- (WT-en) Tatata 02:33, 6 August 2007 (EDT)

Listings tags on :ru
Hey Jani, I'm trying to get the listings tags to work on the Russian language version, but am running into difficulties. I translated the list of tags here and tried to add the listings tags to ru:MediaWiki:Edittools, but perhaps I have done something wrong, because only the "email" and "url" tags seem to be working (which are by no coincidence, I presume, the only tags I did not transliterate into cyrillic). Here is an (WT-ru) example listing, not working. I thought I would ask you, since you got the listings tags working fine on :ja. Thanks for your help! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:11, 12 August 2007 (EDT)

 * I think Jani is the last person you would want to ask, especially considering that he hates translating the listings. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 18:47, 12 August 2007 (EDT)

 * ja: doesn't use listings tags at all, it uses a custom template hack system that actually predates listings. And yes, both me and the little imaginary gnomes at the Press hate translating listings into other languages -- you're making it much, much more difficult to manipulate them programmatically (wave buh-bye to ever seen a printed Russian guidebook!), and it's not meant to be human-visible information in the first place. (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:33, 13 August 2007 (EDT)

 * Well, not human-visible for readers, but my hunch is that a lot of Russian editors will not understand the English tags. So I guess I'll just give up on using listings? It would be a shame, as they are a great way to maintain proper formatting. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:30, 13 August 2007 (EDT)

Please check this out
Please review this edit, which essentially accuses you of not knowing what you're talking about and speaking English wherever you go. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 03:26, 16 August 2007 (EDT)

RC Patrol
I was all over RC patrol today... hundreds of edits. It struck me that much more gets by than I thought. I left some unpatrolled that I was hoping someone else would make decisions on... back on 8/16 I think. If you hide patrolled edits and go 500 long they are probably still there. Anyhow, my question is, are we unusually shorthanded due to people traveling do you think? (WT-en) OldPine 22:00, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
 * I thought there were no stoopid questions, but maybe that's why you didn't answer? (WT-en) OldPine 08:10, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

 * No, it's just that I don't know the answer. Things do seem a little quieter than usual, but it is mid-August and peak vacation season. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:05, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

(WT-en) Copycat
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, right? -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 00:48, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

 * May I nominate JpatokaI for the ban? -- (WT-en) Tatata 01:02, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

censoring
Not so much censoring as reverting what amounts to vandalism in my opinion. Hanging around WT to heckle is in violation of the Terms of use, which is why I sited that.

Wikivoyage is for "people who support our goals of creating a free, complete, up-to-date and reliable worldwide travel guide."

"If you're not interested in our goals..... we ask that you not use this Web service."

But I'm not going to drag it out, if you think it should stay then I'll let it stay – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 03:43, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

 * Jani does not know what was/is happening on de:WT. I can understand your revert, as I know the intention of the person we are talking about. But to someone else it really looks like censoring. --(WT-en) Flip666 writeme! • 04:32, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

booklets
Evan on IRC told me to contact you, Are you working on print output for http://wikivoyagepress.com ? Because I've just hacked a script to make pdf booklets, It's pretty ugly now, but OK and since there are a lot a blank space, I use it to take notes when I am an the road ... contact me for more .. (WT-en) RzR 16:49, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

WTP formatting guidelines
For publishing, I would assume that formatting guidelines will be more strict than a wiki would require. Are there any plans to have more precise formatting guidelines for, say, punctuation? If so, will this be a good thing to also require of Wikivoyage articles, or just of those that are being published? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:54, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

 * The listing tags are a godsend for publishing, as we can just grab the data and reformat it as we like. For text in general, we already have a pretty detailed Manual of Style, and Press editors will just enforce it.  I'd prefer to add any additional style guidelines for stuff not yet covered into the sitewise MoS, but naturally that will have to go through the consensus process. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:38, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

 * Just to clarify, the sorts of things I was thinking about are very minor, like dashes, or whether to put a period after abbreviations in addresses (e.g., N Michigan Ave or N. Michigan Ave.?). My experience with publishing is that absolutely everything must be formatted consistently, but people here have understandably objected to establishing rules about such fine-haired distinctions. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:54, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

 * At the end of the day the publisher is me, so as long as I'm happy, it'll get printed! And I don't think anybody at WT has ever objected to laying out rules in the MoS (well, aside from spelling...), it's just that enforcement has been lax at best. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:13, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

id
Jani, what are the chance we got an id version of wikivoyage? How many contributors required to kicked it off? (serenity at gmail dot com)

 * Hey Serenity, forgive me for eavesdropping ;) All you need to know about starting a new language version is described in this article and the links contained therein. It would be great to have and Indonesian language version! The most basic requirements are at least 3 committed editors, a liaison, and a translation of the php file. But like I said, all the information is available through that link. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 01:09, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

uppo
 * I'm going to butt-in too. I really think you need to study and understand the basic ideas and principles of a wiki before you even consider starting a new language version of Wikivoyage.  I unfortunately, but sincerely doubt you are the right person for this task.  -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 14:36, 9 September 2007 (EDT)

Provinces and regions in Finland
You reverted my text and contributed only this explanation: "!-- don't repeat the regions already mentioned above --"

I'm not sure, but it seems like you did not understand the text which explained the difference between a "Province" and a "Region" in the main article about Finland when you reverted it to a old version. The areas mentioned "above" by you are not regions, but provinces. Within the provinces there are regions which were mentioned in the text. A little reading should have made that pretty clear. To know about these regions is valuable knowledge to travellers since locals refer more to them than the provinces mentioned on the main page. There was a text about this on the discussuon-page, and so far no one has disagreed.

The things that should be changed are the descriptions of the provinces, but I have no good ideas at the moment.

I'm going to change the text to the previous version, but if you do not agree with that please let me know.

(WT-en) Christian B 14:42, 3 September 2007 (EDT)

Maldives
So, how was the diving, etc? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 20:29, 8 September 2007 (EDT)

Wikivoyage Press
Thanks for the offer, I'll bear it in mind. ~ 203.147.0.48 13:59, 9 September 2007 (EDT)

Audio link thread
Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately, I don't have the technical wherewithal to prepare and upload audio. So even if the policy were changed I would not be the person to improve the site in that fashion. (WT-en) Butwhatdoiknow 16:06, 9 September 2007 (EDT)

Re:Redundancy
No prob, but if the bot is going to be doing updates every day, we're going to run out of Project:Discover trivia, because they aren't being updated very often. Any way you can set it up to change the entries every second day? Shouldn't be too difficult. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:37, 15 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Incidentally, looks like the bot may not be handling images correctly. It kept the phallic image around after the trivium referencing it was gone ...  I removed the image the old-fashioned way, but you might want to check for a bug in the bot. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 14:55, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

Hoi An
I don't see how this is an exception. It's not widely advertised, I'm not aware of it being prominently featured in other guidebooks, we're not short of Hoi An listings, and if it's prominently located, we don't even know where - we don't have an address. And why list the price of dinner if the recommendation is that people not have dinner? If it's on the river, as he seems to imply, it's among several blocks of several dozen restaurants and cafes packed together tightly - nearly everyone has a waterfront terrace and nobody stands out. How about trimming it to a couple lines and moving it to Drink? (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 22:34, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

Hello
Could you please see Talk:Poipet, and also Project:Administrator nominations... Thanks, (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 07:20, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Helsinki
Why exactly do you keep insiting on removing cited information? You removed a link from the stay safe section that showed that Helsinki has a murder rate around six times higher than other major European cities, and then removed text that stated that this was not a major problem for tourists, replacing it with not a problem at all for tourists. (WT-en) Jamesbrown 17:50, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

 * → Talk:Helsinki. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:00, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

Bath (England)

 * → Talk:Bath (England)

Logout problem
Hello Jani-san,

(WT-en) KevinSours from IB is going to fix the problem now, but he seems to want to know other contributors's opinions about his way to fix it; adding a "remember me" option to Special:OpenIDLogin. Would you please let him know on the tech request page, whether the problem occurs with OpenID or not, and your opinion on his concern? Thanks. -- (WT-en) Tatata7 22:41, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

Vandalism policy?
I don't know about you folks (I'm sending the same message to several), but I for one am getting sick and tired of the intentional vandalism that's going on here. I am trying to start a discussion on Project:Community policies as to whether something more forceful needs to be in place to deal with it. Historically, we have bent far over backwards to avoid punitive action against vandals and have simply gone in and cleaned up the messes they create. However, the frequency of vandalism is growing, and I am not convinced that we are doing Wikivoyage a service by tolerating it. This said, I'm not at all sure what the "right" response is.

I'd appreciate your participation in the discussion on that talk page. Let's see if we can come up with something appropriate. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:40, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

Holyrood Palace image
Hi, Thanks for your answer on shared. I downloaded the photo (Image:Holyrood_Palace_Edinburgh.jpg), started to upload, then didn't have a clue about the license. The en image says CC by-sa but no version (unless I just don't know where to look...), the original image on WikiMedia Commons specifies GFDL and "CC by-sa 2.0 Germany", is that the same as WT's GFDL and CC by-sa 2.0? I'm hoping as the original uploader you might know more.... Thanks, (WT-en) WTDuck2 15:05, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

Genting Highlands
I noticed this edit where you bumped up the article to usable. Check the description at the bottom of the article for "usable status". There are no complete entries for Sleep - or even attractions. -- (WT-en) OldPine 10:26, 28 October 2007 (EDT)

Kota Kinabalu to Brunei in a day
Thanks for your comment. Tried the route a few years ago, so there may be some new details I might have missed (although tried updating as much as I could by checking with friends, internet). Do add to it when you ultimately try the track.(WT-en) Slleong 01:11, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

New admin
Can you give User:(WT-en) PerryPlanet his new buttons, it's been more than 14 days... merci! – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 01:01, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

 * Almost there... except he's an admin, not a bot... hehe... – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 02:46, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

 * Whoops! These bureaucrat buttons are slippery... (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:03, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

 * I had this on my to-do list and was going to do it my time at noon, but that wasn't exactly "after 14 days", though, it would have been 07:00 EST. Man, this time zone change has been messing me up and daylight savings time just reverted (Apparently, I was the only person in Poland who knew about that).  Jani, how to you keep up with your ever changing time zone? -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 04:05, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Dorganbot
Can you maybe answer at User talk:(WT-en) Evan... you know a lot about bots, and have the ability to give him bot status... watcha think? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 23:42, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

 * Yes, I will run it once a week. Another question: could you update MessagesHu.php in the server? (WT-en) Dorgan 12:43, 5 December 2007 (EST)

If you see these two pages (hu:Special:Allpages and hu:Special:Prefixindex) you can see, they are the very same. Thats why I asked you. (WT-en) Dorgan 11:52, 11 December 2007 (EST)

 * The translation of the file (MessagesHu.php) is wrong. When you open the Special:Allmessages page, in en.wikivoyage you get the Special:Allmessages page (of course) BUT if you open this page in hu.wikivoyage, you get the other one (Special:Prefixindex). (WT-en) Dorgan 13:27, 12 December 2007 (EST)

O'Hare
Given your unrivaled experience in the area, would appreciate your comments here. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 12:59, 18 November 2007 (EST)

graffiti
On Bethlehem, did you notice is closed, or do I just not get it, again? (WT-en) 2old 10:03, 26 December 2007 (EST)

title: User talk:Jpatokal/2007


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User talk:Jpatokal/2008

Travelling to countries which do not respect human rights
Hey man, I'd also like to see some countries which run an apartheid system for women (like Saudi Arabia), feature the imprisonment of homosexuals (like Abu Dhabi and Dubai) and public executions (like, uhm, Saudi). Where else do you recommend? Is North Korea quite good for this sort of thing? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Spark (talk • contribs)

 * Wikivoyage is a travel guide that aims to document the planet, good and bad. Choosing where to go is up to you. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:05, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

Regarding Comments to MSG
Dear Jpatokal,

I have personally experienced many problems with MSG which is why I was trying to warn others.

However I apologize for changing your statement, I will leave things as they are for the time being and hope that will be an end to the matter.

Good luck and thanks for your work on here.

Edits to Abu Dhabi and Saudi
Why you changing these? YOU try and bring Police Academy 4 into Saudi Arabi and see what happens.

Just created a new article (Chumphon (province))
What happened to the information i just edited on the Chumphon (province) article? I just created a new article and uploaded the related information, but someone has edited through my information again

Local spam blacklist - numbers
Please see Project:Local spam blacklist - thanks. ~ 203.144.143.4 08:56, 30 January 2008 (EST)

another question in Talk:Copyleft
Just to make sure you didn't miss my another question in wts:Talk:Copyleft. Thanks. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 05:00, 1 February 2008 (EST)

 * And another one added today. Thanks again. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 05:46, 9 February 2008 (EST)

Excuse me Sir?
Hello I'am new here and i would like to contribute to wikivoyage i have no expierce in traveling anywhere in the world except 3 states i dont remember much except a few stores and sleeping locations but i have a delima i have no references at my apartment just the internet and would like to know some free info from the web i can use to start an article i know some towns and would like to help accomidations i can find if directed thank you very much sir for your time. --(WT-en) Thehighlands 00:01, 12 February 2008 (EST) how i'am doing so far jpatokal? --(WT-en) Thehighlands 03:39, 12 February 2008 (EST)

Wandering
Hi jpatokal. Thanks for the email. No worries, faults all around and all that. We all care about our views and what hope is there for us mortals when even the gods are not immune to passion! --(WT-en) Wandering 18:04, 18 February 2008 (EST)

All anons are blocked?
Just tried to make an anonymous edit and it said I was blocked. It gave an IP of 172.16.253.210 and said CJensen was the blocker with a block number of 277. Not my IP and the block log looks like Peter Fitzgerald blocked that IP. Is it blocking all anons? -- (WT-en) OldPine 07:43, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * (Answering self) How the heck should I know, OldPine? Why do you ask me stuff I have no idea about? -- (WT-en) OldPine 09:12, 21 February 2008 (EST)

 * Uh oh. Peter here, I just logged out to test this. It seems that all anons are turning up as this one 172 anon. Yikes! I blocked 172 & unwittingly reverted every single anon change made yesterday, on the belief that it was a vandal! What the heck is going on? --172.16.253.210 14:42, 21 February 2008 (EST)

Mongolia
Could you give your opinion on this suggestion of moving Mongolia from East Asia to Central Asia. Thanks! (WT-en) Texugo 06:31, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Page protection
In what format does on specify the Expiry time for protection? I've never had the need to do it before --(WT-en) Nick 07:38, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

Added consulate information on Bandung page
Hi Jpatokal, i have added the consulate info on the Contact section. Please feel free to edit if you think necessary. The source of this information if from Indonesian department of foreign affairs website (WT-en) Hkurniawan 08:44, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

Hello
Hi Jpatokal, thank you for the welcome :) (WT-en) Jamboo 05:21, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

Dorganbot
Hi! I hope, you remember me. I'm Dorgan, from hu.wikivoyage. And I have a bot. I want to run my bot in hungarian wikivoyage, but I've got a problem. The bot works with hu:Special:Allmessages. But the translation file is wrong, and when I open this page, I get the hu:Special:Prefixindex page. You can see: Prefixindex is the same as Allmessages. What can I do now? And my other question is: can I, or how can I or anybody get the bureaucrat-flag in hu.wikivoyage? Thanks for your attention! Regards, (WT-en) Dorgan 13:22, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

 * Oh, sorry, I'm wrong. hu:Special:Allpages and hu:Special:Prefixindex is the same...... :). And the bot works with allpages too. (WT-en) Dorgan 05:24, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Unfortunatelly the problem is still there. If you get hu:Special:Allpages and en:Special:Allpages you can see the difference between the two pages. The translation problem is in the MessagesHu.php in the wikivoyage server. And the bot couldn't work with the wrong hu:Special:Allpages. The MessagesHu.php should be up to date. (WT-en) Dorgan 14:21, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

 * Please, see: and  : it's a translation error. (WT-en) Dorgan 06:17, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

nearest attractions again
Jani, sorry for bothering--but I'd like to come to some sort of consensus in Project:Accommodation listings. As you changed the meaning of my original template, could you reply in  where we started discussing it? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 11:13, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

 * Jani, I'd like to come to some conclusion in Project:Accommodation listings. I've posted a new proposal --please share your thoughts on it. Thanks. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 14:28, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

 * I've refined my proposal; please let me know if you have any comments. After 2 weeks from now, I am going to incorporate the proposal into article itself (Project:Accommodation listings). Reverting from there will take discussion first ;-) --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 20:44, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

Viborg
You might want to check on Viborg. (WT-en) Woodstock 08:04, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

Another vandel - 66.210.38.254 and chickenpast. (WT-en) Woodstock 12:31, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

Maps and OSM
Hi. Thanks for the comments. I've actually logged on to OSM already, but I couldn't figure out how to use it. It all seems to be about using GPS Traces (whatever they are), and I can't figure out how to make maps there any other way. Am I missing something? --(WT-en) The.Q (t) (c) 12:24, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

 * Yep, I found the various interfaces so confusing and cumbersome that I wasn't able to make some basic corrections to a few rural roads in Colorado (hoping to use the OSM map as a background for a map to the Comanche National Grasslands). I too found it over my head. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:58, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
 * It is easy, just open your webbrowser on www.openstreetmap.org. Create an account. Open the index "edit", then you have all roads laid out with red dots(nodes). to begin with press "play" instead of "start". Try marking on of the roads, I now see that there are a lot of auto-generated data from something called "tiger", in the bottom you can add tags by pressing "+" e.g. "name". You can lay out a new road by just drawing it. for help on how to add nodes, join roads, creating areas and so forth look at online editor help. /(WT-en) Johan Jönsson 12:12, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

about Wikivoyage Chinese
Hi, recently we have problems that somebody from 61.49.172.158 has deleted the pages and wrote the "Fxxx" and so on instead. I think if we need at least one Chinese-speaking administrator to coordinate everything, or at least to protect the frameworks. How do you think about that? Thank you! --(WT-en) biobeyond
 * Will, even though I have not many time (I'm a student), I can have a try to be a administrator. I'm from China, I live in France, I speak chinese, french and english. (WT-en) AdrienChen 18:53, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

Maps
Thanks for the info! That was actually my first contribution, and I guess I should have read up more on external links. Thanks for saving my other contributions from deletion! --(WT-en) Claymander 21:56, 10 April 2008 (EDT)

Thailand
If you have a moment, please share your opinion at Talk:Thailand. Thank you! (WT-en) Texugo 05:38, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Hi there
Thanks for the welcome. I'll look to add some more info to some places I'm familiar with, and add some more currency pics ( I always like being able to see an example of the countries currency.) (WT-en) Tarcus 00:52, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

Translation "De Morgen"
This is the text you wanted traslated to Enlish:

Always the most resent travel information.
Who wants to seekup something about a town or destination has to 'go wikivoyage' these days. This travelsite contains more than 30,000 guides which every day, sometimes every hour, are being updated. From now you also can order on line certain travel guides by Wikivoyage Press. The best guides are being selected to be checked and polished by local writers. When the surfer orders a guide, will this be printed specially and 'Hot of the Press' and within a view days delivered at home. Result: a very resent travel guide with without any doubt the latest news about the destination. No restaurants or bars who no more exist or has chanced its name. You can deliver feedback on your travel guide what is put on line within one month. Price 12,07 euro a guide and 4,99 euro for delivery to Europe. www.wikivoyagepress.com==

Grietings (WT-en) Rein N. 11:28, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

Tip
You are likely one of the most traveled on WT and a young fellow to boot. You may have thought of this, but you may want to consider buying some mylar flips and picking up the best "undamaged" coins you can afford to stick away from the countries you visit. When you get to be an old fart like me, they likely will have some value. The silver and gold ones will be the most scarce. Just a thought. [] (WT-en) 2old 16:26, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Naoshima & thanks for welcome
I hope you can make it to Naoshima when you finally get to Japan. It's a beautiful island. Thanks for supporting my work. It would be lovely to get OTBP for that place - it could certainly do with the attention now, before the travel guides get a hold of the place. (WT-en) Deconstruct 06:01, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

Reverted Australia edits
You just reverted ALL my edits to Australia. Please tell me what precisely was wrong with those edits you reverted (ie all of them.) Long winded discussion about vegemite I do not think really help a traveller too much. What about Project:Plunge forward? I'm only trying to make a better article. 124.168.67.70 02:24, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Well I will comment here. Problem is you reverted ALL edits. Much of what I removed was quite silly, and misleading information. I have done another set of edits now, as they were previously discussed of the talk page of Australia. Please do not simply do another indiscriminate REVERT ALL this time. I have not yet got an account but will do so. 124.168.12.254 16:14, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

OpenStreetMap conversion
I like what you have done at Wikivoyage_talk:How_to_draw_a_map. Any progress on that? I've been working on something simular, but without the complete automation; we still have to add our symbols manually to the map (OSM data for South Africa and many other areas of the work is still very limited). Details are at User:(WT-en) NJR ZA/osm2svg. Maybe we can share code/ideas to improve both efforts? --(WT-en) Nick 18:55, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

 * Thanks, I'll have a look at (WT-en) Mark's code --(WT-en) Nick 13:32, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Svalbard Pages
Hi there, it seems like you are pretty much the only person on here who writes up the Svalbard articles? I was wondering if you would like to collaborate on expanding them, perhaps by adding some pictures and updating the Barentsburg and Ny Alesund articles.

Help please
Some anonymous user has gone and changed the Singapre money pic summary to say some thing that I need to get approval for it's use from the Monetary Authority. I am of the opinion that this being Wikivoyage it shouldn't really matter (the whole concept is sort of violated if we have to suck up to some bureaucrat for approval for everything) and they should get a user name or stop meddling. I will revert it now, if otherwise just say. (WT-en) Tarcus 02:48, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Ha!
Love bedroom gymnastics – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 12:19, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

Thanx for welcome but what do you mean by "deep links?"
Hi there,

Do you mean not to make too many links to visitkorea.or? Or do you mean not to make links to that site if it's already on the city page? Because there's a lot of good, relevant and up to date info on that site. I've been living here for a while and it's a good source I admittedly haven't used that much. However since I've started writing on this article I've found it to be incredibly helpful.

 * I did check out the external links section. In fact, I've gone through most of your "help" pages and your policy on Project:External Links say that I should link to official government sites or official tourist offices (if to a minimum) which http://www.visitkorea.or.kr is. Check out the domain.
 * Besides, at the moment I'm only working on the national page. Eventually I'll get working on the city pages where I will perhaps not need those links.
 * But what if that's the only place they have the information and I am able to place a direct link? Should I not refer to it? Or are you suggesting I omit information just so I can avoid making an external link?
 * By the way I also notice that some edits are done to the SKorean page however the history is not visible. For example the separate sections on the national page such as "Getting In/By boat." Why is that?
 * It is also stated in the external links page that links to non-English sites are not to be made. However there are many on the SKorean page. Should they not be removed?

OSM
''Take a look at Project:How to create a map. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:12, 9 June 2008 (EDT)''
 * That looks good. I'll give it a go --(WT-en) Nick 01:57, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Romanization
That's helpful.

Help
Hey Jpatokal need help with how to create a travel guide if you give me a assignment i will do it for you and the project also peter fitzgerald has gone on a deletion spree when there was sleep added. just thought you might want to look into this thanks. --71.254.107.195 10:15, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Berlin
Hi! Yes, I'll try to update as much as I can in the next week(s), the restaurants and bars are my next victim. There's also nothing about shopping - shocking! And by the way, is this the way I am supposed to answer to comments on my profile page? Cheers, now let's go to the sun and see how things are going outside the computer bunker.

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome. I won't be able to contribute regularly though; I'm really busy with exams at the moment. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 03:13, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

Rail travel in India
Hi, check out the page. What do you think of it? — (WT-en) SBC-YPR 14:12, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

Problem on Alexandria page
hay, I was working on Alexandria page ( in Egypt ) but after a week of work I found that you restored very old version, I really don't know why so please if there is any reason for that please tell me

→ User talk:(WT-en) Doaa Ashour (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:36, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Mr. Jani Patokallio, you continually undo every edit I make, no matter how simple and obviously correct it is. YOUR bit on Singapore is quite inaccurate. I have tried to make positive and accurate contributions to the Singapore article. I will keep trying to place accurate and useful information in the article.

Wikivoyage Press Link
Hey Jani - the http://stores.lulu.com/wikivoyagepress link used on the front page of Wikivoyage and in several places on the Wikivoyage Press site is giving a 404. I'm not sure if that's something on your end or on Lulu's side, but it may be hurting your plans for world domination :) -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:45, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for your support.
I'm Mike (zh:User:(WT-zh) Minkepanhu) from Wikivoyage Chinese. Thanks for leaving me an encouraging message. I'd like to help Chinese version of Wikivoyage become as great as here. 謝謝！ --(WT-en) Mikepanhu 16:04, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Admin nomination
Hey, I just nominated User:(WT-en) LtPowers for sysop status. I'd appreciate it if you would comment here. Thanks! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:01, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Need batteries?
I always look forward to your new photo's. Whats up? (WT-en) 2old 15:07, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

re: Discover
Thanks for the tip. I changed the entry. Does it meet your specifications? --(WT-en) Matt Talk 11:19, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

 * Thank you for your patient understanding of my poor reading of the guidelines... my apologies. --(WT-en) Matt Talk 14:28, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

Miyajima
this is not working for days

http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Miyajima

-- —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 211.13.51.185 (talk • contribs)

 * It looks like a database error page got cached in place of the actual page. It's fixed now. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:24, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

LtPowers
Feel like flipping a switch? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 03:01, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

Wikivoyage:How to create a map
Hi, about a month ago or so wtp-maps was updated to use the settings from Config.mk instead of Makefile. At the same time you seem to have changed it to download the map data directly from OSM using something called a "border way", instead of using data from a data.osm file. What are border ways and do all cities have them? Is there a way to use data.osm instead?

Thanks. --(WT-en) Aqwis 11:02, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

Dokdo
I think in most part your edits say what I say but just differently. If you were unhappy about the length then fine, I will let you have your way with that. I have also seen the mess at Wikipedia for Dokdo. I also am not interested in any edit war but you are the one who is insisting on an alternate version. I accept that rewrites are part of the Wikivoyage "philosophy" but do you? You are insisting on your version ONLY and not a compromise (which is what I was attempting). That means you are guilty of contradicting the site's whole premise. Unacceptable. In addition, I have a responsibility to myself and to the readers when it comes to accuracy. The Japanese have no record of recognizing the islands as theirs nor are there any record of the Japanese legitamitely fishing there before the 19th century. Whereas Korea has records dating to the beginning of the 6th. Also, the island was not "called" Takeshima before 1905. That is when they named it thus. And finally, the island was NOT off-limits to the public there was just more paper work involved. If you're going to make edits, then the focus should be on accuracy moreso than length.

I will be writing several articles on Korea and probably other countries as I move on and will probably continue having discussions with you. However, if we cannot come to an agreement on how to proceed now then I believe we will continue to encounter the same difficulties. I would like to avoid that. If you by chance feel the same way then please respond as soon as possible.

==The photos were taken by a friend who went to Dokdo which is why I stated his name on the summary page.

 * → Talk:Dokdo, please. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:01, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Ok, seriously
Adjust the way you write cuz you sound like you're looking for a fight. I'm always up for a good debate when reason and logic are what matters. Keep it civil. Being an administrator should make you more responsible than anything else. That includes being respectful. After all, you're here to help, right?(WT-en) Paula 22:44, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

Pattaya
Thanks for your kind comments, Jpatokal, as I live here in Pattaya, I'll try to keep the page updated, as the city is changing daily! (WT-en) Eyebeeuk 08:47, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Map
Yes. I'm sure I have permission to use that map. I had requested the map and they made it especially for me. They are more than willing to help out.(WT-en) Paula 02:01, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Ok. What do you need?

And yet...
When you use sarcasm and tell me what I'm thinking then you are making it personal. Perhaps you don't mean to be offensive but from the harsh and uber aggressive way you write, I could never guess. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt so let's keep it civil.(WT-en) Paula 01:59, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

A little plug for you!
I don't know, maybe this will bring a little smile to your face; I have a question for ya, at least it's some acclaim to you and other peoples great work on Japan :) (WT-en) Sertmann 17:47, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

Hmmm.
Hope it opens. (WT-en) 2old 09:50, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

User:58.169.232.171
Heya, just saw you were online - could we block this user for 24Hrs or something, he keeps going at it on Isreal, despite my best attempts to communicate with him - and also completely unrelated, do you speak Swedish? ;-) (WT-en) Sertmann 17:05, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

DiscoverBot problem
Hello! Your User:(WT-en) DiscoverBot duplicated line in Template:Discover (see diff). -- (WT-en) Sergey kudryavtsev 03:08, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

Admin switch
Hey Jani, would you please flip Stefan's switch to sysop. It's long overdo! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:11, 14 November 2008 (EST)

 * A couple more: User:(WT-en) Inas & User:(WT-en) Shaund. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:55, 2 December 2008 (EST)

 * Yeah, and they deserve it :)! (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee]  .T.A.L.K. 22:28, 2 December 2008 (EST).

edmonton wikivoyagepress
JPATOKAL, Okay, I looked through it and I am sure that it is all answered in there. But I have some questions about press. First of all, I am extremelyflattered, but does Edmonton really match up with Chicago, Singapore, Paris, and Cairo? Am I really that good? Also is it really hard to make them-doesn't seem like it. Gimme a timeframe. It seems I'll need to install a program, no? Is it a good program ( I am really picky what I sign up for ) and do I need it? Would I get a free copy, being the creator or something, that'd be awesome! DO I NEED to use my real name as the author...because I'm not comfortable with that, I prefer Edmontonenthusiast or something especially when this can be seen by more people (i.e.: one person gets it, then people look at it from that person, and it spreads!). It looks like it would look quite similar to the guide, no? Just with a book format. It seems like a pretty easy task...although not everyone can do it, because not every guide is up for that. Anyways, so the maps that've been created will go in the book, that'd be awesome (they're not mine!). Is it hard work? Will I need to get an account on press, or could you just put up the info or something...I'm not really comfortable with creating lots of accounts...sorry, I am like that. I don't need to ship anything, correct?, that's just you guys. I know I have a lot of questions but I don't want to miss anything. So I'd get paid for making a book...a teenager getting paid for making an online book...that's neat! Since you asked me and I gave you this, do i have to e-mail you, I am sorry, I'ts not really you, I am just not comfortable e-mailing people/things I don't know! Sorry for it all! How long did it take say Helsinki to make or something? Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 12:42, 15 November 2008 (EST).

Also I'd feel much more comfortable getting in touch with you or asking you questions here tan at the Press. Sorry! Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 12:46, 15 November 2008 (EST).

I also have the idea I wouldn't be very good...look at those reviews of Helsinki and Singapore! Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 13:02, 15 November 2008 (EST).

I also am wondering what is Yucca? I have recruited User:(WT-en) Shaund and User:(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald and User:(WT-en) Sertmann might for help. I'd probably be the main editor. Remember, I haven't said yes as I need to know the answer to my questions, what I'll need t osign up for, what information I have to give out. Also, I'd prefer not to contact via e-mail-think I said that. Sorry, I reallyy amm. I am also wondering if it is possible to not get any money from this-like if I decide I don't want any profits...is that ok, so I wouldn't have to give out any info, right? Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 17:11, 15 November 2008 (EST).
 * Left a comment to what you said. Now can you reply to all this? Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee  talk 23:30, 15 November 2008 (EST).

Also, how are the sales? Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 23:32, 15 November 2008 (EST).

Just in case it doesn't work out that I can't do it...I'd be happy for you to do it and help you in any way, since from the looks of it you've published most of them, or maybe it just doesn't say the other peoples. Regardless, it'd be fine with me. As much as I'd love to do this, if there is something I am very uncomfortable with, I really would prefer not doing it, even though I am so interested in. I hope I can, really, I am so excited over it! Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee <font color="#8848d7">talk 00:37, 16 November 2008 (EST).

Hey, I lefta another comment on my talk. Be sure to check out it. Keep smiling, (WT-en) <font color="#339989">ee <font color="#8848d7">talk 12:48, 16 November 2008 (EST).

made another comment. keep smiling, (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 13:57, 17 November 2008 (EST).

Yu ah Sutahr
You are a star! This is for your hard work and doing all the press stuff! Good work! Keep smiling, (WT-en) <font color="#339989">ee <font color="#8848d7">talk 00:04, 17 November 2008 (EST).

Your writting
You do realise, you are quite harsh when you talk about people making mistakes-now I am no different in that sense, but I am trying to stop it-which I don't think you are. You could to give a heartwarming appology to me and Tapirlodge, as you have given us both harsh harsh comments like "you smoking crack" and in a subtle way, your word choice is a bit harsh in "Stop removing restaurants and hotels. It's not "publicity", this is a travel guide, we're supposed to have listings of places to eat and sleep. Even travel agencies are OK as long as they follow the guidelines in Tour. I've reverted your edits. Jpatokal 01:12, 22 November 2008 (EST)". I personally don't see it as that harsh, but people have said it is harsh, which it is kind of, I mean there is no politeness to this person you just met and just simply "ive reverted your edits" with a "half-assed" as you put it response to why they are doing bad. Sorry, but you really should do this as you've made us both mad. Not to mention, you (I didnt help much though), have made Tapirlodge want to stop helping with reverting spamming and touting, thank-you. You could at least help me and try and get him to rethink it. Really, dude, think about it. You wouldn't like it at all either, or, maybe you would, just because you can take it better, but I am sure people can think of stuff that would be equally as harsh. That's all. Keep smiling, (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee] <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 22:56, 25 November 2008 (EST).

 * Not to mention, if someone else is on my side, which is rare here, I think that means you are totally wrong. Have fun not blowing sunshine up peoples asses, (WT-en) <font color="#339989">edmontonenthusiast [ee]  <font color="#8848d7">.T.A.L.K. 23:10, 25 November 2008 (EST).

Bihar
Hi,

Request you to put real facts about Bihar, As this place is the birth place of two major religion(Bhuddhism & Jainism), Lord Budha get enlightment at Bodhgaya, Lord Mahavir get Nirvana at Pawapuri so pls. put the real fact about Bihar not the negative thingh like "It among the poorest state of India",

Patna has direct road connectivity with Kathmandu & Thimpu via Raxaul and Jogbani on India/Nepal border many travellers from Nepal/Bhutan/India use these roads to get in, Patna is a vital link as it is the state capital well connected with Road/Rail/Air with other part of India.

Thanks

Piyush

 * Hi Jpatokal, I have read some of your older posts on talk page of the article Bihar on wikipedia. Kindly understand what Piyush is trying to say. Cheers, (WT-en) Manoj nav 05:22, 4 December 2008 (EST)

 * Wikivoyage does not exist to sell Bihar, it's written for travelers. You are trying to diver the topic. Some of your edits reflects that you use wikivoyage to express your personal opinions and anger. (WT-en) Manoj nav 09:22, 4 December 2008 (EST)

Highway navigation box
Hi there. I have proposed a new sort of navigation box here. I would really appreciate your input. (WT-en) Texugo 06:45, 5 December 2008 (EST)

 * Hi again. I've implemented a test version for a certain region. I wonder if you'd have time to give it a whirl and comment. Details are here. Thanks! (WT-en) Texugo 09:25, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Shirakami-Sanchi
Argh! we both had that idea at the same time, and you saved first... tried to mix them as well as i could, but my apollogies of I inadvertedly deleted anything in your entry. Visitors center has been upgraded and renamed (as they allways seem to do) to Aqua Green Village in katakana. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 00:37, 7 December 2008 (EST)

Hakodate, Seishun 18 Kippu
Nope, it's not. Been there and almost made to pay for riding the Hakuchou despite having bought an extra tokkyuu surcharge ticket. Also, http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2362.html and various Japanese timetables reflect this. --(WT-en) FreakRob 18:31, 8 December 2008 (EST)
 * Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Maybe a "heads up" in the Hakodate travel guide might still be useful? --(WT-en) FreakRob 19:50, 9 December 2008 (EST)
 * Nope, I got controlled at the Kanita station when I went off the train into the waiting room there. But I didn't have to pay or anything, because frankly, I tried to be as much not understanding as I could and the guy quickly dropped it. --(WT-en) FreakRob 16:23, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Dali
No idea what happened there. (WT-en) Pashley 08:04, 10 December 2008 (EST)

Spam on zh
Hi Jani-san,

There are some accounts created by spammers. Can you help the Chinese version by doing speedy delete of spam pages and clipping those accouts ? And that version doesn't have spam black list. Can you make it work?
 * create zh:MediaWiki:Spamblacklist page.
 * create zh:Project:Local spam blacklist page and protect it from anon edits.

Thanks in advance. -- (WT-en) Tatata 22:57, 16 December 2008 (EST)

 * Thank you for your help. 謝謝! -- (WT-en) Tatata 01:46, 17 December 2008 (EST)

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