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Talk:Phitsanulok/Listings

By car
From Bangkok, motorist can travel through Highway 1 up north to Wang Noi of Ayutthaya, then use Highway 32, through Ang Thong, Sing Buri, Chai Nat, and Nakhon Sawan. Then get on Highway 117 bound for Phitsanulok. This route, which is the most convenient way, is 377 kilometres long from Bangkok.

From Sing Buri, motorist can use Highway 11, the In Buri – Tak Fa route, and turn into Highway 12 to Amphoe Wang Thong of Phitsanulok, and turn left to Phitsanulok which is 17 kilometres away. This route is a total of 450 kilometres from Bangkok. Travellers can also travel through Phetchabun and Lom Sak before getting on Highway 12. A distance of 100 kilometres; this route is rich of attractions.

By bus
Regular buses and coaches leave the Northern Bus Terminal (Mo Chit 2) from Bangkok all day long. For more information, call the state-owned Transport Co., Ltd. at Tel. 0 2936 2852 - 66 or visit www.transport.co.th. (Thai Language only, no English). The Phitsanulok Bus Terminal can be reached at Tel. 0 5524 2430. Air-conditioned coach services are available at Phitsanulok Yanyon Tour Co., Ltd. (Tel. 0 2936 2924 - 5 or 0 5525 8647), Cherdchai Tour Co., Ltd. (Tel. 0 2936 0198 - 9 or 0 5521 1922), and Win Tour (Tel. 0 2936 3753 or 0 5525 2617).

Daily services to Phitsanulok are available from nearby provinces such as Uttaradit, Phrae, Lampang, Chiang Mai, Sukhothai, Mae Sot of Tak, Phichit, Phetchabun and Khon Kaen.

By train
Sprinter trains, rapid trains and ordinary trains leave Bangkok Railway Station (Hua Lamphong) for Phitsanulok daily. For more information, call Tel. 1690, 0 2220 4334, 0 2220 4444, or Phitsanulok Railway Station at Tel. 0 5525 8005, or visit the website www.railway.co.th.

By plane
There are daily flights between Bangkok and Phitsanulok. Thai Airways International can be contacted at Tel. 1566, 0 2628 2000, www.thaiairways.com, or call the Phitsanulok office at Tel. 0 5524 2971

Amphoe Mueang Phitsanulok
City Pillar Shrine (เสาหลักเมืองพิษณุโลก) The city pillar is located in the shrine on the western bank of the Nan River, opposite the Mueang District Administration Office. Designed by the Fine Arts Department, the Prang-shaped building houses the city pillar, which is made of different kinds of sacred wood in its various parts and has gone through a religious ceremony at the Temple of the Emerald Buddha in Bangkok.

King Naresuan the Great’s Shrine (ศาลสมเด็จพระนเรศวรมหาราช) The ancient-style three-portico pavilion designed by the Fine Arts Department houses a life-size statue of the king in a sitting posture, declaring independence from Burma. An annual celebration takes place on 25 January of each year. The shrine is located at the site that was once the Chan Palace, the birthplace of King Naresuan the Great. The palace’s foundation was discovered in 1992.

Wat Phra Si Rattana Mahathat Woramahawihan, Wat Yai or Wat Phra Si (วัดพระศรีรัตนมหาธาตุวรมหาวิหาร หรือ วัดใหญ่ หรือ วัดพระศ��ี) The Buddhist temple houses Thailand's most beautiful Buddha image, Phra Phutthachinnarat. Built in 1357, the temple is located on Phutthabucha Road by the Nan River. It houses many valuable antiques such as: Phra Phutthachinnarat (Phra Buddha Chinaraj) (พระพุทธชินราช) Cast in the attitude of subduing evil, the huge bronze Buddha image is honoured as the country’s most beautiful Buddha statue with graceful characteristics. The statue’s unique feature is the wooden flame-like halo, a symbol of spiritual radiance. The statue was cast during the reign of Phra Maha Thammaracha I (Phraya Lithai) of the Sukhothai Kingdom. The Buddha image was cast together with other famous images called Phra Phutthachinnasi and Phra Si Satsada.

Mother-of- pearl inlaid wooden doors (บานประตูประดับมุก) At the entrance of the Wihan, the splendidly crafted door was made in 1756 by craftsmen of the royal school into an intricate traditional Thai style and design during the reign of King Borommakot in the late Ayutthaya period.

Phra Luea (พระเหลือ) The Buddha statue was made from the bronze left over from the building of the Phra Phutthachinnarat, Phra Phutthachinnasi, and Phra Si Satsada images. Phra Luea, in the attitude of subduing evil, is placed inside a small Wihan called Wihan Luea.

Wihan Phrachao Khao Nipphan, Wihan Klaep or Wihan Luang Sam Phi Nong (วิหารพระเจ้าเข้านิพพาน หรือ วิหารแกลบ หรือ วิหารหลวงสามพี่น้อง) Located at the south of Wihan Phra Si Satsadaram, this image hall houses a stone coffin placed on a pyre beautifully carved and decorated with colourful pieces of mirror. It is said that the coffin represents the Lord Buddha in nirvana. This unique antique is quite a special treasure of the temple.

Phra Attharot (พระอัฏฐารส) The standing Buddha image in the attitude of persuading relatives not to quarrel dates back to 1257. The image was formerly placed in a large Wihan, which was later ruined.

Phra Prang Prathan (พระปรางค์ประธาน) Situated behind the main Wihan, the principal Phra Prang or corn-shaped stupa was first built in the Sukhothai style before being adapted into the current shape in the Ayutthaya period.

Wat Phra Si Rattana Mahathat Woramahawihan is open daily between 6.30 a.m. and 6.00 p.m. The Phra Phutthachinnarat National Museum is open from Wednesday to Sunday, between 9.00 a.m. and 4.00 p.m. The museum is closed on public holidays, for more information, click www.thailandmuseum.com.

Wat Nang Phaya (วัดนางพญา) Situated near Wat Ratchaburana, Wat Nang Phaya was believed to have been built during the same period. The temple is famous for an extensive collection of the highly coveted Phra Nang Phaya (votive tablets used as amulets), which was found in the crypt. The original ones are very rare, so replicas have been built.

Wat Ratchaburana (วัดราชบูรณะ) Situated south of Wat Phra Si Rattana Mahathat, Wat Ratchaburana is special with a decoration of a delicate three-headed Naga over its eaves. Assuming from the main Buddha statue, the temple was built during the Sukhothai period and renovated during the reign of Phraya Lithai. Its Ubosot houses murals in the Ramayana story by local painters who beautified the chapel during the reign of King Rama IV more than a hundred years ago. Wat Ratchaburana is located on Singhawat Road opposite Wat Nang Phaya, close to Naresuan Bridge.

Wat Chedi Yot Thong (วัดเจดีย์ยอดทอง) The temple has the province’s only lotus-shaped pagoda in the Sukhothai style. The pagoda is 9 metres wide at the base and 20 metres high with a lotus-shaped top.

Wat Chulamani (วัดจุฬามณี) Located on the eastern bank of the Nan River, some 5 km. south of downtown Phitsanulok, the temple is an ancient monument that had existed before the Sukhothai Era. The temple is located on the site that was once Song Khwae Town. King Borommatrailokkanat of Ayutthaya built a Wihan and entered monkhood at this temple. There were 2,348 officials following him into the monkhood. Wat Chulamani houses a Khmer-style pagoda and the Buddha’s footprint built in 1678.

Town Wall and Moat (กำแพงเมืองคูเมือง) The town wall was formerly a mound of earth like in Sukhothai. It was built during the reign of King Borommatrailokkanat of Ayutthaya to prevent the attack of Lanna troops. In the reign of King Narai the Great, it was strengthened by a French engineer using brick for utmost strength. However, it was demolished two centuries ago during the reign of King Rama I of Rattanakosin to prevent a Burmese takeover. Todays, remains of the old wall can be seen at Wat Phothiyan, Wat Noi, the Police Station, and the moat along the Phra Ruang Road.

Sgt. Maj. Thavee Folk Museum (พิพิธภัณฑ์พื้นบ้านจ่าทวี) The private museum collects unique items representing Thai rural life from the last era. The exhibits include ceramics, kitchenware, household items, farming tools as well as many trapping devices. With over 10,000 exhibits, the museum is honoured as a treasure of Thai history and local wisdom and was granted a Thailand Tourism Award for Best Conservation/ Preservation Organization in 1998. The museum was established by Sgt. Maj. Dr. Thavee Buranakhate, who is recognized as an outstanding person in the area of sculpture and was granted Honourary Doctorate degrees from Srinakharinwirot University and Silpakorn University. He is renowned for his knowledge on Northern Thai folklore.

The folklore museum is open daily, except for Monday, from 8.30 a.m. - 4.30 p.m. Admission is 100 baht. For more information, call Tel. 0 5521 2749, 0 5525 8715, 0 5530 1668. His Buddha Casting Foundry is located just opposite the museum. Appointment is required. Call Tel. 0 5525 8715.

ThaiBird Garden (สวนนกไทยศึ���ษา) Located opposite to the folk museum, it is a bird conservation centre that displays endangered as well as extinct birds of Thailand such as jambu fruit-dove, helmeted hornbill, and birds mentioned in Thai literature; namely, oriole, barbet, common koel, green magpie, blue magpie, etc. The park entertains visitors with some birds that can imitate a human’s voice greeting both in Thai and English such as parrot as well as those singing beautifully like black-throated laughing thrush, white-crested laughing thrush, and white rumped shama.

The garden is open daily from 8.30 a.m. - 5.00 p.m. Admission is 50 baht for adults and 20 baht for children. For more information, call Tel. 0 5521 2540 or visit www.geocities.com/thaibirdgarden. Art and Culture Centre, Naresuan University (หอศิลปะและวัฒนธรรมมหาวิทยาลัยนเรศวร) located in Naresuan University (Airport Area) on Highway 1061 (Sanam Bin Road), Amphoe Mueang, the centre displays hundreds of art pieces by famous artists of Thailand. Moreover, the centre exhibits folk tools and household items of the Lower North. It is open everyday from 9.00 a.m. – 6.00 p.m. For more information, call Tel. 0 5523 0720.

Textile Museum and Life Museum (พิพิธภัณฑ์ผ้า และพิพิธภัณฑ์ชีวิต) Located on the second floor of the multi-purpose building of Naresuan University, the Textile Museum displays textiles and garments from different sources domestically and internationally. The museum houses documents and research studies regarding textiles and royal suits of Their Majesties the King and Queen that were conferred to the university. Nearby is a Life Museum that displays the Thai way of cotton weaving, from cotton growing to high-class techniques in weaving. A weaving demonstration is available every weekend. Both museums are open daily from 8.30 a.m. - 4.30 p.m. A guide is available. For more information, call Tel. 0 5526 1000 - 4 ext. 1218, 1149 or visit www.thaiextilemuseum.com. Naresuan University (Thung Nong O) is located between Kilometre 118-119 of Highway 117.

Amphoe Wang Thong
Wat Ratchakhiri Hiranyaram (วัดราชคีรีหิรัญยาราม) Located on Khao Samo Khlaeng, Ban Samo Khlaeng, approximately 14 kilometres from Phitsanulok on Highway 12 and 3 kilometres before reaching Amphoe Wang Thong. The hilltop temple houses two Buddha’s footprints, one is a replica and the other is on the face of a western cliff. A celebration is held annually in February. The temple also houses a thousand-handed Guan Yin statue, three tons in weight, from Hangzhou, China, which was carved out of white jade and sent here in 1992. On the mountain, there is a pond that never runs dry since ancient time. Uphill from the Guan Yin statue, there is a shrine of Heng Jia, the monkey hero, which is frequented by Thai Chinese visitors. The topmost viewpoint of the mountain is the location of Phra Mahathat Chedi Si Bowon Chinarat where the Buddha’s forehead bone relic is enshrined. The Chedi has a lotus-shaped spire, with a walking Buddha image on each side of its square base.

Namtok Wang Nok Aen or Sakunothayan Arboretum (น้ำตกวังนกแอ่น หรือ สวนรุกขชาติสกุโณทยาน) Situated in the arboretum at Kilometre 33 of Highway 12 (Phitsanulok – Lom Sak Road), the small fall is surrounded with different kinds of plants. On the west is a royal pavilion that once welcomed Their Majesties the King and Queen during their royal visit to the North, with another pavilion by the water in the east. Nearby is Sai Rapids, where visitors can enjoy the scenery.

Namtok Kaeng Song (น้ำตกแก่งซอง). Larger than Namtok Wang Nok Aen, the waterfall is situated at Kilometre 45 of Highway 12. Food stalls are available nearby the waterfall.

Namtok Poi and Khao Krayang Forest Plantation (น้ำตกปอย และ สวนป่าเขากระยาง) Situated between Kilometre 59-60 on Highway 12, the Forest Industry Organisation’s forest plantation houses a beautiful waterfall that allows visitors to enjoy nature. Nature trails and accommodation are available

Namtok Kaeng Sopha (น้ำตกแก่งโสภา) The large waterall, 40 metres high, is situated in the embrace of shady vegetation. A stream runs over large rock terraces, through the three-tiered fall which always turns fierce during the rainy season. Namtok Kaeng Sopha is at Kilometre 71-72 of Highway 12. It can be visited from 8.00 a.m – 5 .00 p.m. Admission is 200 baht for adults and free for children.

Thung Salaeng Luang National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติทุ่งแสลงหลวง) Featuring a rugged mountainous landscape, the park, whose territory covers part of Phitsanulok and Phetchabun, a total area of 789,000 rai, feeds water to the Nan River. The park is located on Kilometre 80 of Highway 12. Tourist information, accommodation, camping ground and nature trails are available. Attractions in the park include waterfalls on Highway 12 such as Namtok Kaeng Sopha. The park’s central and eastern area is coniferous forest and savanna, called Thung Salaeng Luang, Thung Phaya, Thung Non Son, where tourist can enjoy camping and trekking. Please contact the Nong Mae Na Unit.

To get to Nong Mae Na

 * By car: Nong Mae Na Unit is 35 kilometres from Ban Camp Son, Kilometre 100 of Highway 12. From there, get on Highway 2196 to Khao Kho. Turn right at Phatthana Market into Highway 2325 to Ban Than Tawan. The unit is 3 kilometres away. A total distance of 35 kilometres from Ban Camp Son.
 * By Bus: Take the local bus, Phitsanulok - Lom Sak, from the Phitsanulok Bus Terminal, to Ban Camp Son. From there, a chartered bus is available. For more information, call the Thung Salaeng Luang National Park at Tel. 0 5526 8019.

Amphoe Noen Maprang
Tham Duean Tham Dao (ถ้ำเดือน-ถ้ำดาว) Situated in the western territory of Thung Salaeng Luang National Park, the cave has a subterranean river running through it. Visitors have to climb over rocks at the cave’s entrance to get in, just to find a large chamber and subterranean river. At the length of 1.4 kilometres, the cave is beautified with stalagmites and stalactites. It can be visited during the dry season and a personal torch is required. High water during rainy season makes it dangerous to visit. To get there: The cave is 85 kilometres from downtown Phitsanulok. Motorists can use Highway 12, then use Highway 11 and 1115 to Amphoe Noen Maprang. The cave is 6 kilometres away.

Tham Pha Tha Phon Non-hunting Area (เขตห้ามล่าสัตว์ป่าถ้ำผาท่าพล) Stretching over a 1,775-rai area, the sanctuary features rugged and towering crescent-shape limestone mountains which comprise fossils of shells and corals from the Carboniferous Period of the Palaeocene Era some 360 – 286 million years ago. These fossils indicate that this area was once a sea. Rain erosion carved these mountains into weird shapes. Its peak is 236 metres in height. There are many caves; namely,

Tham Naresuan (ถ้ำนเรศวร) A stalactite that looks like a hat of King Naresuan the Great has earned the name of this cave. The entrance is quite narrow and cave visitors are required to creep in one by one. Low oxygen in the cave limits visitors to less than ten at one time.

Tham Ruea (ถ้ำเรือ) Many floods have eroded the cave walls, leaving the ceiling in the shape of an upside-down boat. Low water level during the dry season allows visitors to witness its beauty.

Tham Pha Daeng (ถ้ำผาแดง) The cave is named after the red cliff (Pha Daeng) over its entrance. Once a prehistoric human habitation site, the cave houses some potsherds with a cord-marked design and stone flakes from such era. Nowadays, the cave is home to insect-eating bats; namely, wrinkled-lipped bat and black-bearded tomb bat.

Tham Lot (ถ้ำลอด) The tunnel with a subterranean river running through it allows visitors to access a Buddhist temple on the other side. The large tunnel is good to visit during the dry season. Lots of monkey can be found nearby. There are various attractions situated in the area such as fossils of marine life from 360 million years ago such as coral, brachiopod including lamp shells, sea lilies, and seaweed. These indicate that the area used to be under the sea. Japanese letters carved on stone makes the locals believe that the Royal Japanese Army once travelled pass here during WWII.

Information is available at the non-hunting area’s office. A torch is required for caving. Floods in the rainy season may block accessibility to some caves. Permission for camping and a group visit can be sought in advance at the Tham Pha Tha Phon Non-hunting Area, Mu 6 Tambon Ban Mung, Amphoe Noen Maprang, Phitsanulok

To get there: The non-hunting area is 85 kilometres from downtown Phitsanulok. Motorists can use Highway 12 to Amphoe Wang Thong then turn right to Amphoe Sak Lek for another 38 kilometres through Highway 11, and 1115, respectively. Turn right at Noen Maprang Sueksa Wittaya School, the area is another 10 kilometres ahead.

Amphoe Wat Bot
Kaeng Chet Khwae National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติแก่งเจ็ดแคว) The park acquires some areas of Amphoe Wang Thong, Wat Bot, Nakhon Thai and Chat Trakan. Its watershed forest plays a major role in supplying water into the Khwae Noi River. A major attraction in the park is Namtok Kaeng Chet Khwae, a rock terrace of some 200 metres wide situated in the middle of the Khwae Noi River. The rock terrace, with forested sand bars covering an area of approximately 50 rai, divides the river into 7 streams. It is a nice place for camping. To get there: From downtown Phitsanulok, motorists can use the Phitsanulok - Lom Sak Road and get on Highway 11 for 25 kilometres toward Amphoe Wat Bot. Before crossing the Khwae Noi River, turn right to get on Highway 1220 and head for Ban Na Kham for another 15 kilometres, then turn right, the park is 9 kilometres away.

Khao Noi - Khao Pradu Non-hunting Area (เขตห้ามล่าสัตว์ป่าเขาน้อย – เขาประดู่) The non-hunting area covers a total area of 80,900 rai. It contains various ecosystems such as dry evergreen forest, mixed deciduous forest, deciduous dipterocarp forest and savanna. It has a biodiversity of plants with beautiful seasonal flowers including curcumas and orchids. The forest is home to a species of endemic crab called “Pu Paeng or Pu Song Khwae” which is often found during the rainy season. The area is a nice place for nature study from May to December. Nature trails and camping ground are available. To get there: From downtown Phitsanulok, motorists can use the Phitsanulok - Lom Sak Road and get on Highway 11 for 25 kilometres toward Amphoe Wat Bot. Before crossing the Khwae Noi River, turn right to get on Highway 1220 and head for Ban Na Kham for another 8 kilometres. The area is 6 kilometres off Highway 1220 on a laterite road, which will require a 4-wheel drive in the rainy season. For more information, please contact the Khao Noi – Khao Pradu Non-hunting Area’s office at Mu 2 Tambon Ban Yang, Amphoe Wat Bot, Phitsanulok 65000

Amphoe Chat Trakan
Namtok Chat Trakan National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติน้ำตกชาติตระการ)

 * Namtok Chat Trakan (น้ำตกชาติตระการ) Known as “Namtok Pak Rong” among local, the fall is approximately 145 kilometres from downtown Phitsanulok. The beautiful waterfall has 7 levels. The most impressive ones are the third and fourth levels where the stream cascades down for 10 metres high, spraying the valley. There is a large pool at the first level. Walking from the first to the seventh level, it is 1,220 metres long.

Other attractions in the park include:

Pha Daeng (ผาแดง) The red sandstone cliff is close to the fourth level of Namtok Chat Trakan. A guide is required.

Namtok Na Chan (น้ำตกนาจาน) The waterfall has 7 levels. The first level is a bit low and slippery. The second level is only a few metres high but quite beautiful. The third level is quite special as the stream is divided into three lines. The fourth to seventh levels are situated close to each other, with a total height of some 30 metres. The fall is 3 kilometres from the park’s headquarters and visitors should leave for the fall before 8.00 a.m.

Pha Kradan (ผากระดาน) The cliff is some 3 kilometres from the park’s headquarters. It houses geometrical carving from the prehistoric era.

Tham Nam Mut (ถ้ำน้ำมุด) The 250-metre long cave is carved by the stream from Namtok Na Chan that runs through it. Tham Ka (ถ้ำกา) The cave houses stone carvings from the prehistoric period, which can be dated back to 7,000 years ago. To get there: Motorists can use the Phitsanulok – Lom Sak Road, turn left at Kilometre 68 (Ban Yaeng) to Highway 2013, and 1143. Keep going for 38 kilometres then turn right. The waterfall is 9 kilometres away. The Phitsanulok - Chat Trakan bus leaves 7 times daily between 6.30 a.m. to 5.00 p.m., then use the local Chat Trakan - Ban Na Don bus to the waterfall.

Accommodation and Facilities: The Park provides accommodation for tourists. For more information and bookings, call the National Park, Wildlife and Plant Conservation Department in Bangkok at Tel. 0 2562 0760, visit the website www.dnp.go.th, or call the park directly at Tel. 0 5523 7028. A camping ground is available.

Phu Soi Dao National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติภูสอยดาว) The park covers areas in Amphoe Chat Trakan, Phitsanulok and Amphoe Nam Pat, Uttaradit. Bordering Thailand and Lao PDR with rugged mountains, the park has Phu Soi Dao as the highest peak towering at 2,102 metres. Blanketed with cold weather, the park features lush jungle and savanna. Its attractions include coniferous forest, a flower field, viewpoint cliff, Namtok Sai Thip and Namtok Phu Soi Dao. During August and September, misty mornings, orchid blossoms, and flower field of especially Ngon Nak (Murdannia giganteum) add charm to its coniferous forest. It takes some 5 hours to conquer the peak on the 6.5-kilometre route. Camping ground and restroom are available.

To get there:

 * By car: The park is 154 kilometres from Phitsanulok. Motorists can use the route Phitsanulok - Ban Yaeng - Nakhon Thai - Chat Trakan - Phu Soi Dao. Another alternative route, Phitsanulok - Wat Bot - Ban Pong Khae - Chat Trakan - Phu Soi Dao, is 177 kilometres.

The park provides three guesthouses. Advanced booking is required at Tel. 0 5541 9234, or write to Phu Soi Dao National Park, Tambon Huai Mun, Amphoe Nam Pat, Uttaradit 53110. For camping in the coniferous forest, tourists must bring their own tent. Porter service is available at the tourist centre.
 * By bus: From the bus terminal or train station in Phitsanulok, take the bus to Chat Trakan. From Chat Trakan, buses for Ban Rom Klao leave hourly between 9.00 a.m. to 4.00 p.m. A chartered bus to the park is available at Ban Rom Klao. From Uttaradit, a bus leaves Ton Pho Market or the Clock Tower to Amphoe Nam Pat. The journey takes 2½ hours. From Nam Pat Hospital, a chartered bus to the park is available at 300 baht per trip. This leg takes 3 hours through a winding and steep road.

Amphoe Nakhon Thai
Phu Hin Rong Kla National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติภูหินร่องกล้า) Covering an area of 191,875 rai, the park’s territory covers three provinces; namely, Phitsanulok, Phetchabun and Loei. Its highest peak stands at 1,617 metres above sea level. The beautiful park features deciduous dipterocarp forest, hill evergreen forest and mountain pine forest. Wild flowers and orchids are found on the rock terrace.

Phu Phin Rong Kla was once the largest and most important stronghold of the Communist Party of Thailand in the northern region. From there, communism was spread out and created political conflict until being defeated in November 1982. A road was built through the mountain and the park was established. Interesting attractions include:

Namtok Man Daeng (น้ำตกหมันแดง) The large waterfall cascades through 32 tiers but is not good for swimming. The fall is situated 3.5 kilometres from Kilometre 18 of the Phu Hin Rong Kla – Lom Kao Road. It takes 6 hours to get through the hill evergreen forest trail and a guide is required. Visitors should start the trip to the fall before 10.00 a.m.
 * Museum (พิพิธภัณฑ์) Located by the tourist centre, the museum displays the life and battle of the Communist Party of Thailand as well as their tools and weapons.
 * The Third World Trail (ทางเดิ���โลกที่สาม) Cutting through beautiful scenery, the trail leads to various places of the Communist Party such as the Town Hall, jail, weaving centre, mechanic centre, air raid shelter which can accommodate more than 200 people, Pha Chu Thong - Flag crest - where a red flag used to be flown after every victory from a battle, and Lan Hin Pum where a terrace of rocky lumps offered nice scenery for patients under recovery.
 * Political and Military School (โรงเรียนการเมือง การทหาร) The school, comprising 31 small buildings, including accommodation and hospital, once served as the venue to train and educate the communists. A cemetery and rice mill turbine are located nearby. Situated amidst lush forest, the school is 6 kilometres from the park’s headquarters.
 * Namtok Rom Klao - Pharadon (น้ำตกร่มเกล้า – ภราดร) Namtok Rom Klao is 600 metres from the political and military school. Namtok Pharadon is 200 metres away.
 * Lan Hin Taek (ลานหินแตก) The broken rock terrace, as the name literally suggests, is probably a result from earth splitting. The mysterious area is covered by moss, lichen, ferns and different orchids and white rhododendron growing in the fissures.
 * Namtok Si Phatcharin (น้ำตกศรีพัชรินทร์) The waterfall is named after the soldiers from Si Phatcharin Base in Khon Kaen, which was the first company to get to Phu Hin Rong Kla. The waterfall is 20 metres high with a nice large pool for swimming.

To get there: From Phitsanulok, use Highway 12 and turn left at Kilometre 68 to Highway 2013, and 2331, respectively. The park is 31 kilometres away.

From Phetchabun, motorists can use the Lom Kao – Thap Boek – Phu Hin Rong Kla route to the park. But the steep and winding route is suitable for going downhill back to Phetchabun. Remark - In using both routes, the vehicle should be in good condition. For group tourists, coach and bus are not recommended. Van will be more suitable.

 * By train/by bus: From Phitsanulok Railway Station, take the bus to Nakhon Thai. The bus leaves hourly between 6.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. The journey takes 2 hours. Then take a local bus to Phu Hin Rong Kla. The bus leaves four times between 8.00 a.m. to 3.30 p.m. It takes 45 minutes.

A chartered car to Phu Hin Rong Kla is available right from downtown Phitsanulok.

Accommodation and Facilities: The park provides both houses and tent. For more information and booking, call the National Park, Wildlife and Plant Conservation Department in Bangkok at Tel. 0 2562 0760, visit the website www.dnp.go.th, or call the park directly at Tel. 0 5523 3527.

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Tricycle Tour (สามล้อทัวร์) An easy tour to explore the nightlife of Phitsanulok that is cheap but quite lively. The tricycle will bring passengers through different areas such as fresh market, business district, food market by the Nan River, etc. The tour is available in most leading hotels in Phitsanulok.

Whitewater Rafting (ล่องแก่ง) The adventurous trip is quite popular among thrill seekers. Khek River originates from Phetchabun and runs through Thung Salaeng Luang National Park and various waterfalls. Although this river is not large, the winding route and exciting rapids make it an exciting route for rafting with a difficulty level from 1 to 5. White water rafting can be made from June to October. It takes 2½ hours to get through the 8-kilometre route. Basic training before departure will be held for safety. The rafting package is available at resorts on the Phitsanulok – Lom Sak Road as well as tour operators.

Biking (จักรยานท่องเที่ยว) Phitsanulok has many scenic routes; some are quite suitable for mountain bikes. Thung Salaeng Luang National Park has exciting routes, both downhill and uphill, in different forest types. Bicycles for rent are available at Nong Mae Na Unit.

Tram Tour (รถรางท่องเที่ยว) Tram with guide will bring tourists to explore Phitsanulok’s historical side such as Wat Phra Si Rattana Mahathat Woramahawihan, Phraya Chakri Raft Dweller Museum, Clock Tower, Ekathotsarot Bridge, Jail, Town Wall, Wat Wihan Thong, King Naresuan the Great Shrine, Chan Palace, City Pillar Shrine, etc. The tram leaves from Wat Yai and the trip takes 40 minutes. The fee is 20 baht for adults and 10 baht for children. For more information, call ‘Phitsanulok Borikan’ at Tel. 0 5525 2258, 0 5528 4144.

Golf Courses
 * Dong Phu Kerd Golf Course The 18-hole golf course is located in Ekathotsarot Military Base. It is open daily from 6.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Tel. 0 5524 5046 – 51 or 0 5525 1531.

Buy
Bang Krathum Sun-dried Banana (กล้วยตากบางกระทุ่ม) The soft and sweet sun-dried banana is famed for its delicious taste. It is available at Wat Yai and many shops.

Supatra Preserved Pork (แหนมและหมูยอสุพัตรา) The hygienic pork is a famous product by a local family business. Mi Sua (หมี่ซั่ว) The white noodle from Phitsanulok is famed for its softness. It is available at most souvenir shops.

Bang Rakam Fish Sauce (น้ำปลาบางระกำ) Amphoe Bang Rakam has long been famous for its fish sauce made from mud carp from the Yom River. Although it is not as tasty as fish sauce from sea fish, it is quite hygienic.

Na Chan Broom (ไม้กวาดนาจาน) People from the poor region in Amphoe Chat Trakan earn extra income from broom making. The broom with rattan handle is nicely made, available at a low price.

Bang Kaeo Dog (สุนัขพัน���ุ์บางแก้ว) The unique breed has originated from Ban Bang Kaeo, Amphoe Bang Rakam. It is said that the abbot of Wat Bang Kaeo kept a number of dogs, which mated with a wolf. This breed is famous for its calmness, high royalty but quite fierce.

Naresuan Fighting Cock (ไก่ชนพระนเรศวร หรือ ไก่เจ้าเลี้ยง) The white-tailed fighting cock is famous for its endurance in fighting. It is believed that King Naresuan the Great used a white-tailed cock in a cock fighting game with King Ubaraja of Burma.

Shop
Kankluay (ก้านกล้วย) 93/2 Phaya Lithai Road Tambon Nai Mueang, Amphoe Mueang. Tel. 0 5524 1983.

Jamjuree (จามจุรี) 317/15 Sanam Bin Road, Amphoe Mueang, Tel.0 5527 2832.

Souvinir House (บ้านของที่ระลึก) 61/3 Ramesuan Road, Amphoe Mueang, Tel. 01-971-4990.

Phitsanulok OTOP Centre. The One Tambon One Product (OTOP) Centre is located at the City Hall (ศูนย์จำหน่ายผลิตภัณฑ์ OTOP), Amphoe Mueang. Tel. 0 6937 0411.

Festival
Phitsanulok Food and Souvenir Festival (งานมหกรรมอาหารและสินค้าของที่ระลึกจังหวัดพิษณุโลก) Held in every April and December by Phitsanulok Municipality and TAT at the park by the Nan River, the festivity features food and famous products from the province.

Traditional Long Boat Races (ประเพณีการแข่งเรือยาวชิงถ้วยพระราชทาน) Since ancient times, boat races have been a symbol of Phitsanulok. They are held every September along with various religious rites such as robe-offering ceremony, changing the robe of the famous Buddha image Phra Phutthachinnarat, boat decoration contest, and traditional boat races. The exciting festival is held on the Nan River, in front of Wat Phra Si Rattana Mahathat Woramahawihan.

Nakhon Thai Flag Flying Festival (ประเพณีปักธงนครไทย) The local festival of Amphoe Nakhon Thai is held on the 14th day of the waxing moon of the 12th lunar month. The locals will place the flag on top of Khao Chang Luang to mark the victory of Phokhun Bangklanghao over the Khmer in the Sukhothai Period. Besides the religious ceremony, there is a beautiful flag parade, flag placing race, as well as beauty contest.

Tour Programme

 * Day 1
 * Leave Bangkok by car.
 * Lunch.
 * Arrive at Phitsanulok.
 * Visit Wat Phra Si Rattana Mahathat Woramahawihan, paying respect to Phra Phutthachinnarat, admire the mother-of-pearl inlaid wooden doors, and other attractions.
 * Get on a tricycle tour and explore Phitsanulok’s nightlife.
 * Overnight in Amphoe Mueang.

 * Day 2
 * Wat Ratchaburana
 * Wat Nang Phaya
 * Sgt. Maj. Thavee Folk Museum
 * ThaiBird Garden
 * Lunch
 * Enjoy nature at the Kaeng Song and Kaeng Sopha Falls.
 * Stay overnight at Phu Hin Ring Kla National Park.

 * Day 3
 * Explore Phu Hin Ring Kla National Park.
 * Return to Bangkok

Amphoe Mueang Phitsanulok
247 rooms: 600-3,500 baht 110 rooms: 880–1,200 baht
 * Amarin Lagoon (อัมรินทร์ลากูน) 52/299 Phra Ong Khao Road (Tel: 0 5522 0999 Fax:0 5522 0944 Bangkok Tel: 0 2668-4277) E-mail:amarinlagoonhotel.com, 301 rooms: 1,200-6,500 baht
 * Amarintr Nakorn (อมรินทร์นคร) 3/1 Chao Phraya Road (Tel: 0 5521 9069–78), 118 rooms: 550-1,250 baht
 * Asia (เอเชีย) 176/1 Ekathotsarot Road (Tel: 0 5525 8378, 0 5521 9401 Fax: 0 55 23 0419), 13 rooms: 180–380 baht
 * Chang Puak (ช้างเผือก) 23/28 Thammabucha Road (Tel: 0 5521 2558, 0 5525 2599 Fax: 0 5525 2493), 55 rooms: 250-350 baht
 * Golden Grand (โกลเด้นแกรนด์) 49/1 Phra Ong Dum  Road (Tel: 0  5521  0234-7 Fax: 0 5521 0887), 110 rooms: 690 – 850  baht
 * La Paloma (ลาพาโลมา) 103/8 Si Thammatraipidok Road (Tel: 0 5521 7930-6 Fax: 0 5521 7935), 249 rooms: 840-2,500 baht
 * Lithai Guest House (ลิไทเกสท์เฮ้าส์) 73/1 Lithai Building, Phraya Lithai Road (Tel: 0 5521 9626-9 Fax: 0 5521 9627 Ext. 500) 60 rooms: 220–440 baht
 * London (ลอนดอน) 21-22 Sairuthai Road (Tel: 0 5522 5145), 11 rooms: 100 baht
 * Nan Chao (น่านเจ้า) 242 Borom Trilokkanat Road (Tel: 0 5525 2510-4, 0 5524 4702-5), 150 rooms: 1,200-3,500 baht
 * Pailin (ไพลิน) 38 Borom Trilokkanat Road (Tel: 0 5522 5228-35 Bangkok Tel: 0 2215-7110-2),
 * Pan Sombat (ปานสมบัติ) 4/1 Sairuthai Road (Tel: 0 5525 8179), 23 rooms: 100–200 baht
 * Phitsanulok (พิษณุโลก) 90 Naresuan Road (Tel: 0 5525 8425, 0 5525 8944, 0 5525 1566 Fax: 0 5525 1666), 62 rooms: 180–350 baht
 * Phitsanulok Thani (พิษณุโลกธานี) 39 Sanambin Road (Tel: 0 5521 1065-9 Fax: 0 5521 1071),
 * Phitsanulok Youth Hostel (บ้านพักเยาวชนนานาชาติ พิษณุโลก) 38 Sanambin Road (Tel: 0 5524 2060 Fax: 0 5521 0864 Bangkok Tel: 0 2628 7413-5), 22 rooms & Dormitory: 120-600 baht
 * Ratchaphuk Hotel & Guest House (ราชพฤกษ์) 99/9 Phra Ong Dam Road (Tel: 0 5525 8788, 0 5525 8477, 0 5525 9990), Hotel: 123 rooms: 600-2,500 baht; Guest House (Tel: 0 5525 9203), 80 rooms: 200–300 baht
 * Ratchawong (ราชวงศ์) 714 Mittraphap Road (Tel: 0 5525 9569, 0 5524 1917, 0 5524 1789 Fax: 0 5522 0376), 95 rooms: 160-500 baht
 * Samai Niyom (สมัยนิยม) 175 Ekathotsarot Road (Tel: 0 5524 7527, 0 5525 8575), 28 rooms: 280-380 baht
 * Siam (สยาม) 4/8 Athitwong Road (Tel: 258844, 219433-4), 40 rooms: 120-300 baht
 * Siwathep (ศิวะเทพ) 110/21 Prasong Prasat Road (Tel: 0 5524 4933-4, 0 5521 9147-8 Fax: 0 5524 4933), 40 rooms: 250-350 baht
 * Sukkit (สุขกิจ) 2020/12 Phutthabucha Road (Tel: 0 5525 8876), 17 rooms: 100 baht
 * Thep Nakorn (เทพนคร) 43/1 Si Thammatripidok Road (Tel: 0 5524 4070-4 Fax: 0 5524 4075), 150 rooms: 450-1,800 baht
 * Topland (ท็อปแลนด์) 68/33 Ekathotsarot Road (Tel: 0 5524 7800-14 Fax: 0 5524 7815 Bangkok Tel: 0 2215-6108, 0 2215-0575 Fax: 0 2215-0511) www.toplandhotel.com, 253 rooms: 1,400-12,000 baht
 * Uthong (อู่ทอง) 80/13 Phra Ong Dam Road (Tel: 0 5521 0424-7 Fax: 0 5521 1003), 96 rooms: 380- 760 baht
 * Wang Kaeo (วังแก้ว) 9 Thepharak Road (Tel: 0 5524 5581-8 Fax: 0 5524 5589), 50 rooms: 380–660 baht

Amphoe Wang Thong

 * Ban Kiang Nam Kaeng Song (บ้านเคียงน้ำแก่งซอง) Near Kaeng Song Waterfall, 42/3 Mu.9 Tambon Kaeng Sopha (Tel 0 5529 3441) 4 houses: 1,000 baht
 * Ban Rim Kaeng (บ้านริมแก่ง) Km. 49 Phitsanulok-Lomsak, 293 Mu 9 Tambon Kaeng Sopha, 9 rooms (Tel 0 5529 3297): 600 baht
 * Ban Waritnan (บ้านวริทนันท์) Km. 50 Phitsanulok-Lomsak Road, 99/8 Mu 8 Tambon Kaeng Sopha, (Tel 0 5529 3052) 7 houses and tent 150-1,000 baht
 * Kiang Poi (บ้านเคียงปอย) Km.60 near Poi Waterfall, 5/1 Mu 1 Tumbon Kaeng Sopha (Tel: 01-674 4075), 12 rooms: 300-600 baht
 * Namtok Lang Suan (บ้านพักน้ำตกหลังสวน) Km. 50–51 Phitsanulok-Lomsak, 1 Mu 8 Tambon Kaeng Sopha (Tel: 0 5529 3338), 6 houses: 400 baht
 * Phanawan Resort (พนาวัลย์รีสอร์ท) Km. 52 Phitsanulok-Lomsak 41/1 Mu 2 Tambon Kaeng Sopha (Tel: 0 5529 3040), 8 rooms: 1 the mitory 500–700 baht
 * Rain Forest (เรน ฟลอเรสท์) Km. 44 Phitsanulok-Lomsak Road, 42 Mu 9 Tambon Kaeng Sopha (Tel: 0 5529 3085-6 Fax: 0 5529 3086), 16 rooms: 1,000-2,400 baht
 * S.P. Hut (เอส พี ฮัท) Km. 53–54 Phitsanulok-Lomsak Road, 93 Tambon Kaeng Sopha (Tel: 293401), 16 rooms: 500-3,500 baht
 * Sappraiwan Grand Hotel and Resort (ทรัพย์ไพรวัลย์แกรนด์โฮเต็ลแอนด์รีสอร์ท) 79 Mu 2 Km.Phitsanulok-Lomsak Road Km. 53, Tambon Kaeng Sopha (Tel: 0 5529 3293, 0 5529 3345, 05529 3308-9 Fax: 05529 3339 Bangkok Tel: 0 2236 2711-2, 0-2266-5461, 142 rooms: 1,850–3,840 baht www.resort.co.th E-mail:service@resort.co.th
 * Suan Pa Khao Krayang (บ้านพักสวนป่าเขากระยาง) Near Poi Waterfall, Km. 60 Phitsanulok-Lomsak Road (Tel: 01-6044207, 01-8885065), 4 houses: 550-2,500 baht, Tent: 70 baht
 * Tawan Resort (ตาวันรีสอร์ท) Km. 47 Phitsanulok-Lomsak Road, 19 Mu 9 Tambon Kaeng Sopha (Tel: 0 5529 3397), 6 bungalows: 2 rooms 400-800 baht
 * The Hill Resort (เดอะฮิลล์รีสอร์ท) Km. 44 Phitsanulok-Lomsak Road, 42/5 Mu 9 Tambon Kaeng Sopha (Tel: 0 5525 3059), 8 rooms: 600 baht
 * Tan Wang Thong Resort (ธารวังทองรีสอร์ท)    Ban mai Rom-Klao 261 Mu.7 Tumbon Wang Nok Aen  PhitsanuLok-Lomsuk Road, (Tel : 0 5526 8123  Fax 0 5526 8124)
 * Wang Nam Yen Resort (วังน้ำเย็นรีสอร์ท) Km. 46 Phitsanulok-Lomsak Road (Tel: 0 5529 3411-4 Fax: 0 5529 3415 Bangkok Tel: 0 2318-8895-6), 41 rooms: 1,600-3,800 baht

Amphoe Nakhon Thai

 * Ban Suan Farang (บ้านสวนฝรั่ง) Km.10 Ban Yaeng-Nakhon Thai Road, 243 Mu 4 Tambon Huai Hia (Tel: 0 1886 1757), 3 rooms & 2 houses & tents: 150-2,500 baht

Amphoe Phrom Phiram

 * Phrom Phiram Resort (พรหมพิรามสวนน้ำรีสอร์ท) 43/2 Mu 3 Tambon Si Phirom (Tel: 0 5523 3098-9, Fax: 0 55246414), 40 rooms & 9 bungalows & 1 houses: 800-2,000 baht

Amphoe Bang Rakam

 * Suan Sap Resort (สวนทรัพย์รีสอร์ท) 13-14 Phitsanulok-Bang Rakam Road (Tel: 0 5537 1210, 0 55 37 1088 Fax: 0 5521 5956), 23 rooms: 500-3,000 baht

Amphoe Mueang Phitsanulok
10.00 am.-09.00pm. Close Sunday)
 * Kakinang( กากินั้ง) Sanambin Road, Tel 0 5521 1696 (Thai-Chinese foods  10.00am-10.00pm)
 * Kook Aeng( กุ๊��เอียง) Sanambin Road, Tel 0 5525 2831 ,0 5525 1760 ( Chinese foods 04.00 pm-10 .00pm)
 * Khao Kang Chao Wang (ข้าวแกงชาววัง) 245/67 Borom Trilokkanat Road, Tel 0 5524 6573
 * Chareantum (เจริญธรรม) Ekathotsarot Road (Vegetable food)
 * Danung (ดานัง) 260/2-3 Sanambin Road Tel 0 5523 0788 (Vietnam food 10.00 am.-10.00pm.)
 * Three House (ทรีเฮาส์) 48 Sanambin Road Tel 0 5521 2587-8 (a la carte10.00am.-01.00am.)
 * Thiprod (ทิพย์รส) 9/11 Sairuthai Road Tel 0 5525 8200 (07.00am.-09.30pm.)
 * Nam Fah (น้ำฟ้า) Ekathotsarot Road (vegetable food)
 * Ban Khun Por (บ้านคุณพ่อ) 4-4/1 Chaophraya phitsanulok Road Tel 0 5523 1574 (Thai-Chinese food 11.00am.-11.00pm.)
 * Ban Mai (บ้านไม้) 93/30 U- Thong Road Tel 0 5525 8548 (Thai food11.00am.-11.00pm.)
 * Ban arhan Kesnika 66 Bhuddhabucha Road TumbonNai Mueng Tel 0 5521 3419 (Thai food 05.00 pm.-12.00 pm.)
 * Bai Mussalim (ใบ๋มุสลิม) 49/2 Phra Ong Dam Road Tel 0 5524 8276 (Mussalim food 06.00am.- 08.00pm.)
 * Phuk Bung hern fah (ผักบุ้งเหิรฟ้า) Phra Ong Dam Road Tel 0 5525 1348 (08.00am.-04.00pm.)
 * Phuk Bung hern fah (Rim nam nan) ผักบุ้งเหิรฟ้า (ริมน้ำน่าน) Bhuddhabucha Road Tel 0 5524 9832 (05.00pm-12.00pm)
 * Passtime(พาสไทม์) 82/2 Ekathotsarot Road  Tel 0 5524 4520 ( a la carte food 05.00pm.-01.00am.)
 * Pare arhan song quare (แพอาหารสองแคว) 21 Bhuddhabucha Road Tel 0 5524 2167 (11.00am.-11.00pm)
 * Pare arhan fah thai (แพอาหารฟ้าไทย) Wang Chang Road Tel 0 5524 2743 ,0 5521 5674 (fish food 10.00am.-11.00pm.)
 * Phang Ki Khao mun kai(พังกี่ข้าวมันไก่) Phrayasue Road  Tel 0 5524 4275,0 5525 8843 (khao mun kai 08.00am.-02.00pm.)
 * Fa- k-rah (ฟา-เค-ราห์) 52/6 Phra Ong Dam Road Tel 0 5521 1400 (Mussalim food 06.00am.-02.00pm.)
 * So rert ros (ภัตตาคาร ส.เลิศรส) 4/5 Borom Trilokkanat Road Tel 0 5525 1792 (Thai-Chinese food 08.00.am.- 10.00 pm.)
 * Mung Khla (มังคละ) Pailin Hotel Tel 0 5525 2411-5 (06.00am.-01.00am.)
 * Mue Thai (มื้อไทย) Sanambin Road Tel 0 5521 0862-4(11.00am.-11.00pm.)
 * Mai bab (ไม้แบบ) 107/9 Sing ha Wat  Tel 0 5524 7603 ( a la carte  nooddle 07.00 am.-03.00pm)
 * Riverside (ริเวอร์��ซด์) 5/4 Bhuddhabucha Road Tel 0 5524 8057 (05.00pm.-01.00am)
 * Vietnam (เวียตนาม) 5/9 Phra Ong Dam Road Tel 0 5525 9065 (vietnam food 10.00 am-02.00pm., 04.00pm-08.30pm.)
 * Suan ar han deang(สวนอาหารแดง) 78 Sanambin Road Tel 0 5525 1757 ,0 5524 6675 (Thai-Chinese food  10.00 am.-10.00pm. )
 * Suan ar han fah thai farm (สวนอาหารฟ้าไทยฟาร์ม) Km.10 Phitsanulok – Na kornsawan Road  Tel 0 5522 6508-9 (Thai-Chinese food  10.00 am.-10.00pm. )
 * Sao wa Ros (เสาวรสโภชนา) 21/39 Sanambin Road Tel 0 5521 2942
 * Muay eisan (หมวยอิสาน) 895/16-17 Borom Trilokkanat 2 Road Tel 0 5525 1606 (eisan food
 * Wong Rim Nan (หว่องริมน่าน) 201/1 Bang Payom Road Tel 0 5528 0222 (10.00am.-10.00pm)
 * Ar sor lert ros (อาซ้อเลิศรส) 109/9 Thammabucha Road  Tel 0 5524 4825 (noodle 08.00am. –03.30pm.)
 * Ha lan food (ฮาลาลฟู้ดส์) 50/2 Phra Ong Dam Road (Mussalim food 07.00am. –08.00 pm.)

Amphoe Nakhonthai

 * Rang Thong (รังทอง) Phu hin Rong Kla  Tumbon nern-perm  Amphoe Nakornthai  Tel 0 5521 9510 –3 ( Som Tum, a la carte )
 * Duang jai (ดวงใจ) Phu hin Rong Kla 172 Mu.7 U -dondamri Amphoe Nakornthai Tel 0 5528 9451, 0 1675 1578 (som tum, a la carte)

Amphoe Chat Trakan

 * Krua Khun Au (ครัวคุณอุ๊) 381/27 Sukhapibanchat  Road  Tumbon padeang, far  Chat Trakan  Water fall  10 Km.  Tel 0 5538 1127 (a la carte,nooddle, Red pork’s rice 06.00 am.-04.00pm. )

Restaurant on Phitsanulok – Lomsuk Ways

 * Ja Tawee‘s coffee  (กาแฟสดจ่าทวี) Km.45 Tel 0 5529 3271 (07.00 am.-09.00pm.)
 * Gardener coffee (การ์เดนเนอร์คอฟฟี่) Km.42 (07.00am-09.00pm.)
 * Thin Thai Lan Luntom (ถิ่นไทย ลานลั่นทม) Km.42 (07.00am.-09.00pm.)
 * Nittaya (นิตยา) Km.45 Tel 0 5529 3212 (10.00am.-09.00pm.)
 * Ban Sang Tawan (บ้านแสงตะวัน) Km.28 Tel 0 5538 4067 (10.00am.-10.00pm.)
 * Pussanare coffee (ภัสนารีคอฟฟี่) Km.62 Tel 0 1475 0096 (Samoon pai Coffee 08.30 am.-04.00pm)
 * Rim kaeng (ริมแก่ง) Km.45 Tel 0 5529 3770 (10.00am-08.00pm.)
 * Coffee Talk กาแฟสด ใหม่ คอฟฟี่ทอล์ค Tel 081 8873379, Near Wat Yai ,Turn Left and downward along Jakarnboon Road (7.00am - 6 pm) delivery on weekend

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 13:03, 5 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Phlegraean Fields

Is this an Article?
Should this be an article? A quick look on-line and in other travel books indicates this is an attraction. The nearest city is Pozzuoli, although some guides indicate it is part of suburban Naples. Has anyone been there or lives in the area and knows? (WT-en) Shaund 21:07, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Phnom Penh

Stef's Happy Paintings
Hi! I really like Stef's Happy Paitings, would love to own one, and envy anyone who does. But I think they're much too expensive (the cheapest ones listed on the website are US$125 -- and those are small prints) to actually do anything other than look at. So I think it should be moved back to the See section instead of the Buy section. What do you think? :(WT-en) Ewlyahoocom 11:53, 22 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * Wikivoyage isn't exclusively for backpackers — obviously there are some visitors who do more than look if the shop is still in business! (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:40, 20 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Get around
I left the taxi part there, but I've been tempted to delete this portion. I've lived in Phnom Penh for a couple of years now, and although I know that there are indeed taxis and a taxi service, I would be hard pressed to go down on Sisowath and point out which vehicle was a taxi. Anyway, the point is that I disagree with the "plenty of taxis" statement, but didn't want to be to bold before posting here...any thoughts? --(WT-en) Easter Monkey 11:19, 22 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * Be bold, plunge forward! If you're lived there for several years surely you're qualified enough to say what the situation is. (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:40, 22 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Disagreement!
I thought the info here was a bit too negative. There's quite a lot of stuff in backpacker land in terms of accomodation, I was only there a few days but I don't think it felt 'unsafe', and various other points. Basically the opinions of my gf and myself differ drastically from those set out on this page... We're not sure if we should start a rewrite!!! (Especially if some people live in PP).

 * I agree, I was there earlier this year, stayed in a hostel, safe and in a friendly neighbourhood and walked the streets fine, took moto taxis around, ate khmer food and never had a problem... plenty of other people were doing the same.

 * I would agree with making it obvious that this is a place where you should keep youre wits about you. Stay away from the drugs and vice tho and I cant see why Phnom Penh is any more dangerous than London or Cape Town.

 * You could probably walk around many dangerous cities & not encounter any problems, the law of averages being what it is. Also the river area and streets where well-lit backpacker place are situated are safer, yes.

But the fact remains that there is a huge amount of violent crime in Phnom Penh, and that most foreigners who live here have encountered more of it than they have in most other cities - often a lot more. Last month I met a six-year part-time PP resident who has had 10 European friends killed in that time - including 3 shot, 1 stabbed, and 3 from motorbike crashes.

I have seen beatings and heard shootings occur right under my apartment windows - something I never saw in New York or London, let alone Adelaide or Sydney. A friend reported two shootings in his street last month; another was delayed for a dinner with me by a shooting on Sisowath Quay, the main tourist drag.

Coming through for a few days will generally not be fatal, though it also does not give you a full picture of what the city is like.

Who is the author of this article ? It is a shame. The informations is false. Phnom Penh is not a city of crime like it is described. Is he already goes to Phnom Penh ? I though your website is not a serious website. Now, I didn't advise your website to people and go out now. Bye.

You must remove this article.

 * Hi! Wikivoyage is a community, so several editors have written this article. It reflects the real life and dangers people do face in PP. Please say constructively what you don't like but crime is a problem. (WT-en) jan 06:43, 6 January 2011 (EST)

 * "Why did you publish my personnal IP ? Do I say some insults ? I didn't authorize you to publish it ? This is illegal to publish my personal IP for everyone. I remove it."

Secondly, if you accept this type of comments. So, I could write the same for each country of the world ! Example : New York is very dangerous because people have guns and use it easily. Paris have a lot of gangs in the street and burn cars the night. London have hooligans in a street. Mafia is everywhere in Italy. So all these cities are not secure. Indeed, what I say is true but it is not the real life of everyday. If I add all this comments on your website. I think people we'll run away fast. So, this type of remark is not a comment for travellers.

The author should describe without giving a negative opinions like this. Cambodia is a poor country and a beautiful country. There are lack like every poor country. Now, it economy is growing very fast.

If the admin is ok with this type of comment. OMG. Looks lonely planet or the other website. Travellers don't need this type of false comments. Ask the majority of people who travel to Phnom Penh their feelings before editing this type of comments. Bye"

 * Hi anon 82.227.143.41! I think you should cool down a bit. Every edit you do at Wikivoyage is under our http://shared.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Copyleft policies and every edit gets recorded in the article history which you can see when you click on the history tag. Everytime you click on the save page button you agree with that policy and therefore your IP is recorded as well. It's the same method as Wikipedia, so either stop writing at Wikivoyage/Wikipedia or you have to accept the rules (which you did implictly with your last edits). Also we have policies and discussions are made chonologically so everyone can follow it.
 * Concerning PP: We use common sense here and the presence of weapons don't necessarily results in violence because one of the most armed countries per inhabitant is Switzerland but the crime level is low. PP has a crime issue and travellers should know that. If you would read the New York article you would have seen the crime section,too. If you want only to rant, go ahead otherwise bring prove that is not that worse in PP (WT-en) jan 07:18, 6 January 2011 (EST)

I agree with the feeling that this article is by far too negative. Perhaps it needs some update to reflect the changes of the past years or perhaps the author(s) don't have element of comparison with similar cities and countries in South East Asia:
 * Traffic is not that bad compared to other capital cities like Saigon or even smaller cities like Chiang Mai. We are in Asia here not US or Europe!
 * City center is fairly clean and looks safe. Have you been to Pattaya or Bangkok?
 * Costs for tourists are comparable to other places, wifi works well.
 * Ok there are beggars and touts but this is up to the tourists not to feed the pest!
 * Noise? You may try Saigon to experience a really noisy city

—The preceding comment was added by 27.109.117.255 (talk • contribs)

On Gridskipper
Article on Gridskipper mentioning this guide: http://www.gridskipper.com/travel/top/stung-meanchey-dump-178536.php. --(WT-en) Evan 22:39, 21 August 2006 (EDT)

Internet
i want to add something abt internet acces, but where can it go?

 * I just set up Phnom Penh ~ 203.144.143.4 02:27, 22 September 2006 (EDT)

Drink
I've just read the warning in drink-section. I am in Phnom Penh every year. I think the contributor exaggerates a little bit, when he use this obtrusive box. I think this warning puts visitors off. And I think visiting these bars is not more dangerous than visiting a bar in an other country in Southeastasia. -- (WT-en) DerFussi 03:54, 22 September 2006 (EDT)

 * I rehashed that section a couple of days ago and (I think!) toned it down slightly. I think most things in Cambodia have a little more risk involved than in, say, Thailand - ? ~ 203.144.143.4 04:13, 22 September 2006 (EDT)

 * I, personally, cannot confirm it. But the information can be useful. The text can stay there. But I think the infobox is more suitable than the warning box. -- (WT-en) DerFussi 06:11, 22 September 2006 (EDT)

 * Good idea - I've switched it. ~ 203.144.143.7 09:51, 22 September 2006 (EDT)

 * That's it. Looks good. OK - I have to admit - I am a little bit prejudiced. But it's my second homeland. So sorry. Greetings from Cottbus/Germany-- (WT-en) DerFussi 16:58, 22 September 2006 (EDT)

I too think the warning box is over the top. As far as I know no westerner has ever been injured in a Khmer club or bar. A Khmer was shot in Heart of Darkness where westerners were present. So based on that do we really need this? Am I missing something? I feel a lot safer here than in L.A.

 * If reports I've read elsewhere are correct, westerners have been assaulted in clubs/bars in Phnom Penh. ~ 203.144.143.6 21:04, 31 October 2006 (EST)

 * When?? Where??

 * I still can not confirm it. As I told you, I am there every year and I am very active in Cambodian forums. Never heared that a westeners has been injured in a club. -- (WT-en) DerFussi 07:42, 1 November 2006 (EST)

 * Gordon Sharpless, maintainer of Tales of Asia, states that there have been several cases of pistol-whipping and at least one barang was shot in the leg in Heart of Darkness. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:05, 1 November 2006 (EST)

Assault in Phnom Pehn Hello, I wish to share details about a very scary incident that happened to a fellow traveller and myself in Phnom Pehn on Tuesday, January 13, 2009.

I have emailed the Government of Cambodia and Phnom Pehn newspaper but have not had any response. I feel it is important to alert future travellers about this establishment and their treatment/assault of us.

Thank you.

Bonzai

To Who It May Concern.

Dear Sir or Madam. I am writing this email to inform your ministry about an unprovoked assault on myself and another traveller which took place this past Tuesday at Shanghai Bar and Grill in Phnom Phehn.

This event spoiled an otherwise incredible vacation experience within Cambodia which included time in Siem Reap, P.P. and Sanoukenville. I have been raving to friends and family about the beauty of this country and even more so that kindness, friendliness and warm hospitality of its people. Unfortunately, I left Cambodia having endured physical abuse and the fear of a mob action following the actions of the Australian bar owner of Shanghai bar and restaurant.

At the end of the night a young deaf English boy, another traveller and myself were winding down the evening. I went to the washing and came back to a very intimidating scene in which the Australian owner was accosting my fellow traveller.Apparently over the fact this poor kid with a hearing impediment had been 'talking' with the girls by exchanging notes as he could not otherwise communicate with them. Harmless and respectful fun.

Upon seeing this unnecessary, aggressive behavior I intervened; told the bar owner the boy was deaf and asked that he leave him alone. We were moving on. The owner proceeded to then tie into me for 'sticking my nose in' and then unprovoked blindsided me with three punches. Preparing to defend myself, we were set upon by his mob of hired Cambodian toughs in a very, very scary and volatile situation (one of which attacked me - again without provocation). Completely unnecessary and the owner's physical assault on both of us should held up to criminally responsible.

Pretty poor business practice to sucker punch your customers and then sic a gang of local hoods on them. The fact this foreigner has damaged your country's charm and beauty in our eyes is most disappointing. However I feel these actions should not go unreported to authorities and alerting future travellers about this incident and the way in which this foreigner conducts business in Cambodia.

Please be advised I have also sent a copy of this email to the news editor, Phnom Phehn Post.

This email will serve as a formal complaint which I will anticipate shall lead to investigation and potential action against this establishment and its owner.

Thank you in advance for time and consideration in this matter

Internet access, river vs. lake and motorbikes
Last time I was there (2006) internet access was $1 US, not 50c... picky, I know, but for the sake of accuracy...? Motos were also no longer available for hire in Cambodia outside Sihanoukville, according to enquiries, and I thought perhaps it might be worth make more of a point of the different areas-- river vs. lake? (Sorry, I'm sure you know their correct names!) In that these two areas are fairly far apart, geographically and in terms of a 'scene'- perhaps a comment on this and some sort of distinction to be made with the location of accomodation and/or restaurants/bars? I'd like these to be confirmed/denied before I go ahead and edit!

Another disagreement
I feel the following is at the least inaccurate - "its infrastructure is lacking, and it is very poor - much poorer than, for example, Bangkok, Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon), and Manila." While this may be true for the first two cities it isn't for Manila. I can only assume the writer of this part has either not been to Manila or has been only to the centre. So I'm changing it.

Happy Pizza
Does anyone know where to get real happy pizza in Phnom Penh? I've tried several places including the one listed in Lonely Planet with no luck whatsover. Any advice would be greatly appreciated esp to help pass the time until my next destination.

uh, there is like 4 spots right on sisowath where you can get em. where the heck did you try?

Needs address
I want a specific address for this apartment before the entry can go into the article. An address is conspicuously absent from the listing and the agency website. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 18:55, 8 December 2008 (EST)

 * Cambodia Uncovered, This great boutique accommodation in central Phnom Penh (Boueng Keng Kong) offers a self-contained apartment for up to 4 people, along with satellite TV, DVD player, small verandah. $50 single, $60 double, including breakfast. Also arranges off the beaten track boat trips, up-country travel, and cooking classes. Phone: (+855) 012507097 email: info@cambodiauncovered.com

Sorry for my late reply - only saw your comment now. The couple who runs this place prefer not to have their address listed to avoid people showing up unannounced. Is an address a must? If so, I'd add that "advanced booking" is preferred. Let me know. Best, --(WT-en) Whladik 05:38, 10 January 2009 (EST)

 * Yeah, as long as the address is there, you can say that advance booking is preferred (or even required). (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 13:35, 10 January 2009 (EST)

Too much negativity
I must say that the safety precautions mentioned in the article leaves a reader with the impression he/she is going to nowadays Baghdad or Beirut in 1980s. There might have been some accidents involving foreigners like bag-snatching, dangerous driving and etc., but it is so worse at has been described, and it is clear exaggeration. It reminds me of how the domestic press here in Japan warns us about the increasing number of foreigners' crimes, but did not mention that the overall they decrease as relative number when Japanese crimes are counted to. The author has either been too biased because something happened to him/her, or never been to this part of the region, or is a fellow Japanese thinking everything should be as safe as Tokyo.

Me and my wife were so prepared that we were so stressed that could not enjoy the city. Great place, great people.

Whither a 3% surcharge on credit cards?
The article needs to clarify whether the 3% surcharge on using "plastic" comes from the Cambodian vendors or the customers' own credit card company--it is generally the latter. However if you get a card that does not have this fee (there are up to half a dozen in the U.S., you need to research them) this is not an issue (although I believe there can be a price hike if the local vendor "offers" to do perform the transaction in your home currency [since they will generally do it at an unfavorable exchange rate].71.173.186.79 12:11, 25 December 2010 (EST)

 * In most of SE Asia there is a % charge and it is made by the merchant, to cover the fees the credit card company charges them. It is on top of whatever you are billed by your credit card company, e.g. on a $100 sale you will be billed $103 and your credit card company will apply whatever exchange and other fees on that sum. (WT-en) Blorg 11:29, 26 February 2012 (EST)

Brick attacks
Just back from Phnom Penh. Heard nothing about brick attacks on Sisowath Quay. Are they still going on? Should we put the reference into the past tense as it is about 2010? What exactly are brick attacks anyway? (WT-en) Shep 15:12, 7 September 2011 (EDT)
 * People throwing bricks, I guess? --(WT-en) globe-trotter 15:57, 7 September 2011 (EDT)

Tables of bus prices
I'm not keen on the addition of tables of bus times and prices in the Get out section and would like to see them gone.

 * The heading to the first table reads like an advert for a particular travel agency.
 * The tables are quite overwhelming and take up a lot of space.
 * Schedules change and the information will be obsolete very soon.

Any comments? (WT-en) Travelpleb 08:17, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

Specific names of places to pick up sex workers
Prostitution is illegal in Cambodia. In view of that and this site's sex tourism policy, I think that in "Stay healthy," specific names of places to pick up freelance prostitutes should not be mentioned. I'm also not comfortable with euphemisms like this one, in the listing for Martini Pub & Disco: "A place for single men and loose ladies." - if they really refer to prostitution. I think it is OK to mention in a specific listing of an otherwise interesting bar that a lot of soliciting takes place there, so that people who are not interested can avoid the bar. It's a fine line, but I think it's been crossed in this article. What do you think? Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:05, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

 * You ask what I think. I think it is no big deal. There is a reason why Bangkok has risen to the number one most-visited city in the world. It's not because people want to see the Mona Lisa. That's in Paris. Or the crown jewels. They're in London. They come because SE Asia has salubrious weather, decent food, is relatively cheap, and offers abundant, affordable sex. As our avowed purpose is to serve the traveller, let's provide truthful, relevant information. If one is looking for sex tourism, there are infinitely more informative websites than WV, so I don't think we are in danger of pandering to that crowd. We list churches, temples, LGBT haunts, and places that exploit animals. We promote seafood restaurants at a time when SE Asian waters are on a trajectory to the wholesale extinction of species. Worst, we promote mass tourism, maybe unforgivable if you consider CO2 emissions to be a credible threat to the planet. Inadvertently naming the names of some places where some penniless women are trying to make a buck is a very minor sin in my view. Seligne (talk) 13:26, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your thoughts. I would point out that in Thailand, prostitution is legal, whereas in Cambodia, it is illegal. Should that not enter into our decisions on how much information to provide about where to find prostitutes in Phnom Penh? Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:53, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

 * Prostitution in Thailand has been illegal since 1960. You make it sound like the PP article is a how-to guide to finding prostitutes. I don't find it that way at all. Let's hear from some other folks. Seligne (talk) 19:14, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

 * No, I don't think that this is a how-to guide for prostitution; I just think it may be on the other side of the line in terms of this site's sex tourism policy. But I do think that legality is an issue, too. And if prostitution is illegal in Thailand, Thailand needs to be edited:

 * "Technically, some aspects of prostitution in Thailand are illegal (e.g., soliciting, pimping), but enforcement is liberal and brothels are commonplace. It's not illegal to pay for sex due to the "Special Services" exemption in Thai law or to pay a 'bar fine'."

 * If it's not illegal to pay for sex, prostitution is not illegal. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:03, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Exegesis of the Thailand Prostitution Act:

"The Prostitution Act,10 which repealed the 1960 Prostitution Act, is the central legal framework prohibiting prostitution. The Prostitution Act was drafted vaguely and with certain qualifying language, which suggests enforcement of the law could be challenging.

Under the Prostitution Act, prostitution is defined as:

“Sexual intercourse, or any other act, or the commission of any other act in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person in a promiscuous manner in return for money or any other benefit, irrespective of whether the person who accepts the act and the person who commits the act are of the same sex or not.”11

The phrase “in a promiscuous manner” is not defined and places a qualifier on the crime of prostitution, which may contribute to difficulties in enforcing the prohibition against prostitution.

Solicitation by a prostitute is prohibited under Section 5 of the Prostitution Act:

“Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, solicits, induces, introduces herself or himself to, follows or importunes a person in a street, public place or in any other place in an open and shameless manner or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht.”12

Again, the phrase “in an open and shameless manner” is not defined and this qualifier on the crime of solicitation by a prostitute suggests that enforcement of this law may be difficult in situations where solicitation is discreet or subtle as might often be the case in private establishments."

See more at: http://www.impowr.org/content/current-legal-framework-prostitution-thailand#sthash.GSHnUxFg.dpuf

Looks illegal to trade sex for money to this layperson. Seligne (talk) 10:28, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

 * So I think Thailand could use some editing.

 * I should say, I don't believe in enforcing prudishness, nor am I necessarily resolute in favoring the current language in Sex tourism policy; it's just that as long as there's a consensus to maintain the current version of the sex tourism policy, we should do so. Whereupon, the question becomes whether we are or not. If no-one else gives an opinion, I may post to Requests for comment to (legally:-) solicit replies. I don't have any personal stake in the outcome. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:06, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

 * Interesting subject. Looking into this has led me also to the realisation that our LGBT policy is ignored when calling out gay establishments separately. Seligne (talk) 12:34, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Visas from agencies
Agencies are of cheaper than embassies. Vietnam is the classic example: the embassies (pretty much wherever in the world you apply) screw tourists by tripling the price (roughly $100 vs. the actual $30), but agencies know the real price and probably have a relationship with the embassy, which makes the $35 or whatever they charge seem not so bad. In addition to Vietnamese visas, I've also had experience of getting Chinese visas from an agency in Cambodia: if you do it yourself, the form is a four-page beast, but go to an agency and all they take is your passport and money: no form to mess about with, no tuk-tuk to the embassy.

As for visa extensions within Cambodia, agencies are better for that too: cheaper than the government immigration office itself (which obviously inflates the price just for fun) and no messing about with forms.

Overall, agencies in Cambodia are great for visas. That said, touting from one particular agency isn't such a good sign. (Also, Indonesia gives visas on arrival.)

Travelpleb (talk) 07:15, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Thanks, Travelpleb. Are there too many agencies for it to be practical to list all of the reputable ones? If so, maybe it's best to make this general statement, probably in the "Go next" section. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:38, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

 * I'm no an expert, and I've only used agencies in Siem Reap (all the more reason to have someone else run to Phnom Penh to go the embassy), but Lucky! Lucky! Motorcycle Shop in Phnom Penh
 * 413Eo Monivong Blvd, Phnom Penh
 * T: 010 98 099; 099 808 788; 012 279 990
 * E: luckymotorcyclerental@yahoo.com
 * seems to have good things said about it by the internet people (whoever they are).Travelpleb (talk) 08:22, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

 * So let's list them. But I'd like for some other folks to comment on whether "Go next" is the best place to list them. I think so - it seems much more relevant there than in the "Buy" section. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:27, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Duplicate listing for museum
The National Museum is listed under both See and Buy, with some slight information differences. Not sure what the policy is on this, or which section it more closely belongs to. The only downside I can think of, other than lengthening the page, is hiding one of the map markers, if someone is looking for it. Could someone who knows more about this look into it? One of the information differences is the price, which may tell which listing is older. ARR8 (talk) 05:35, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

 * It should have a full listing in only one place: "See". If it's a really important place to buy things, it might possibly be mentioned in "Buy" with a reference to its "See" listing; this is exceptional but could be justifiable. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:22, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

 * I went ahead and combined the listings. The only differences were the price and some of the prose information, so I checked the price on their website and consolidated the prose in order to keep all the information. —Granger (talk · contribs) 06:35, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree on "see", there may be some smaller souvenir shop section, which I dont remember, but it is mainly a museum with exhibition. Dan Koehl (talk) 15:43, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Phoenix

Very, very nice job! Lots of good work on this page. If this keeps it up, I think it should be featured. --(WT-en) Evan 02:47, 15 Mar 2004 (EST)

Hierachy
Should Phoenix follow the Huge City template and have sub pages for all the cities in the metropolitan area? -- (WT-en) Huttite 19:59, 4 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * Yes (unsigned)

 * I believe the way it is currently broken up is workable, grouping some of the smaller, less attraction-heavy communities into broader district articles like North Phoenix, containing Deer Valley, Desert View, North Mountain, North Gateway, and New Village. If each of those communities had their own article, they would all be pretty empty I imagine. (WT-en) Texugo 01:50, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Districts
Cool, nice work on the map of districts... are User:24.56.51.168 and User:7077 the same person? Either way can you/you guys get the actual districts articles to then match the map, right now there's more district articles than what is shown on the map – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 03:49, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Looking at the orphaned pages (ones with no links) list, I find: Phoenix/Arcadia, Phoenix/Biltmore, Phoenix/Laveen, Phoenix/Maryvale and Phoenix/Southwest Phoenix. Could someone who knows the area please either create links to them and fill them out a bit or prpose them for deletion. (WT-en) Pashley 01:00, 12 February 2009 (EST)

Horrible
Phoenix is extremely cohesive and interconnected. You cannot separate it into its component districts like it has been here. All of the districts should be represented in the main article for Phoenix, then they should each have their own specialized page.

I think that the Greater Phoenix page is a much more suitable place for this purpose, and I think that all data concerning the entirey of the Metropolitan area should be put in that article, as opposed to this one. —The preceding comment was added by 68.2.121.168 (talk • contribs), 22:56, 20 January 2013

Shuttles from Phoenix Airport to other parts of Arizona
Could someone please explain why such shuttles are at all relevant to this article? I would suggest for such a shuttle to be listed in cities to where it goes (or if that's felt improper because there are so many of them, then perhaps once, at the state level), not here, as surely, no-one will travel from Phoenix to Phoenix Airport, just in order to take a shuttle to some other part of the state, right? Or is this an exceptional case, and I'm wrong? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:45, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

 * User:Anyone150, any input on this? Anyone else? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:58, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

 * Ikan Kekek There's always an option for someone who wants to travel from Phoenix to somewhere else. Go to the airport arrivals zone and take the shuttle like they would going to a bus station. Because the area is so spread out and the bus stops/stations are in different places the airport can be the closer than the other places. In addition others arriving by plane with with the intent of going elsewhere without a car will appreciate knowing they can hop on a shuttle or bus AT the airport and be on their way which saves them time and extra expense for a taxi. —The preceding comment was added by Anyone150 (talk • contribs)

 * Thanks for replying. First, a procedural thing: We sign our posts on talk pages with 4 tildes (~) in a row at the end of the post.

 * Now, for your second point first: I don't think anyone would come here just because they're arriving by plane in Phoenix Airport and want to check on transportation from Phoenix Airport to a distant city. I could be wrong, but I think that, instead, that information would be best placed in the article for the distant city, if we want them to read it.

 * For your first point, a question: Why would anyone go from, say, Phoenix to the airport and then take a shuttle to Tucson from the airport, instead of taking transportation directly from Phoenix to Tucson? Is it because, unusually for cities nowadays, the airport is actually in Downtown Phoenix? If so, perhaps this is a special case and for that reason, the information about the shuttles should remain in this article. But is there an advantage in price or comfort that would cause anyone to logically make this choice? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:31, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

 * "The airport is actually in Downtown Phoenix? If so, perhaps this is a special case and for that reason, the information about the shuttles should remain in this article." Almost.  The airport is basically between downtown Phoenix and Tempe, located 5mi/8km east of the downtown core (Central Ave & Van Buren).  On the map it's practically next to downtown. Furthermore, Phoenix does not have a strong downtown life, everything's all spread out in one giant sprawl so they can be coming from any direction and the airport could be closer to where they came from.  In fact, the Greyhound terminal is also next to the airport in this case rather then in downtown. As it is there's no central bus terminal so each bus company have a stop or terminal in different areas far apart from each other so it is either by local bus or taxi to complete the rest of the journey.  "But is there an advantage in price or comfort that would cause anyone to logically make this choice?"  If the shuttle company offers door to door service in Tucson it could be quicker to have the shuttle deliver the traveler to that particular address rather than be dropped off at a different location and then having to arrange a ride or take a taxi or bus from where they're dropped off to complete the journey. If nothing else that's one more choice to have. "I don't think anyone would come here just because they're arriving by plane in Phoenix Airport and want to check on transportation from Phoenix Airport to a distant city."  They could be researching on the Phoenix article, knowing they have to arrive into Phoenix, to get to Sedona or the Grand Canyon, for example so it's there for them. Sure include that information in the other articles too.  Phoenix Sky Harbor is the major airport for much of Arizona and outside the Phoenix & Tucson metropolitan area everything is desolate or small town. —The preceding comment was added by Anyone150 (talk • contribs)

 * Thanks for explaining. I'm convinced. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:43, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Consolidation?
While I recognize that a lot of work likely went into creating the current districts layout, and I readily admit that I am not at all familiar with Phoenix, looking through this guide I fear we may have overextended ourselves by district-fying this city. While Phoenix is undoubtedly a massive city population-wise, there simply doesn't seem to be enough travel content on Wikivoyage to necessitate breaking it up into separate district pages, let alone seven of them.

Going through the individual district pages, I counted a combined total of 17 See listings, 16 Do listings, 5 Buy listings, 32 Eat listings, 18 Drink listings, and 28 Sleep listings, with many of these still listed in the main Phoenix page. And that's without scanning them for any closed establishments. These numbers seem comparable (and in some cases are even fewer) to those of large-but-not-massive American West city articles such as Denver, Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, and even much smaller Tucson, which seem to get along just fine without being districtified. And while listings alone don't determine the length of a page, only the Downtown Phoenix article has any prose describing the district itself, independent of specific transportation info or listings that can be easily moved.

In light of this, I would like to propose that we change the Phoenix page from a huge city template back to a big city template and consolidate the information on all seven district articles here, merging and redirecting them back to Phoenix. It's been nearly eight years since the current district layout was created, and in all that time it doesn't seem to have borne fruit. PerryPlanet (talk) 01:21, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

 * I just looked through this article for the first time, and thought exactly the same thing as you, PerryPlanet, before coming across your proposal. It's a pity there hasn't been anybody else involved. I'll make a request for comments, and see what comes of it. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:33, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Ah, I see you've already done it. What can we do to take this further? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:34, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Heh, nice to see someone finally acknowledge this after two months of silence. Then again, long waits for comments are hardly uncommon on Wikivoyage. Still, I suppose it couldn't hurt to post a note on the travellers' pub if we want to try to jump start this conversation. PerryPlanet (talk) 15:45, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Hi, sorry for the long wait for a reply; I forgot to add this page to my watchlist! If you raise it at the pub and manage to start a discussion here, I'll continue to give input. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:54, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

 * I think this is not a bad idea (listings can be grouped by price or [sub]type for ease of reference), but I don't know the first thing about Phoenix. In general the district structures of our cities may have to be improved in many cases... Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:01, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Well, it's been over three months now with no objections voiced, and I'd like to make some progress on this. Unfortunately, none of the people seriously involved in the original districtfying seem to still be around, so there don't seem to be any specific parties to solicit interest from on this. I think I'll give this another week or so before moving forward with my proposal, barring any objections. PerryPlanet (talk) 02:51, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

 * It wouldn't be at all unreasonable if you wanted to just start now instead of waiting the week. People have had plenty of chance to contribute to the discussion, and the two of us who have are in consensus with your proposals. Best, --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:37, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

 * Eh, it's not like there's any rush. And I like to be as accommodating as I can reasonably be, especially for such a big change like this. PerryPlanet (talk) 13:16, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

 * You should definitely be getting an award for outstanding patience =) --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:48, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Revisiting districts
So given this revelation as to what this article supposedly lacks in comparison to the one on that other site and the size both in terms of inhabitants and sheer sprawl, maybe we should consider dividing Phoenix into districts but this time with a clean slate approach? Or would this be a lot of effort for little gain? Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:27, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I think what our Phoenix guide needs right now is more content in general, rather than a different way of splitting it up. The whole reason why we just went through the merger was because the district articles were pretty paltry on content.
 * What I think would help more would be if the content of the Greater Phoenix suburbs were better integrated with our Phoenix content, because the suburbs of Scottsdale, Tempe, and Glendale all have some pretty major attractions. This could be as simple as adding more pointers to those guides, or we could even go full Los Angeles and merge the "main city" and "metro area" guides to make the suburban ones more prominent. Though it'd be nice if we had some local insight on this. PerryPlanet (talk) 01:37, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Apologies for joining this conversation rather late. I went to university in Tempe many moons ago, and once knew that area (especially around the university) rather well. The city of Phoenix not so well, though, so I can't really offer an informed opinion on districting this specific article. I do however think it would be a mistake to merge all of the suburban articles into a general metro area article, because several of them do have distinct identities and characters as well as some history, especially Scottsdale, Tempe, Mesa, Chandler, and Apache Junction. The others are probably of less interest for the traveler. –StellarD (talk) 09:51, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Well if I understand the situation with LA correctly, the article as a whole treats the county while the districts are based on logical subdivisions, be they aligned with political subdivisions or not. Which in the case of Phoenix might mean that Tempe might become a "district" of "Greater Phoenix" just like Downtown Phoenix (if such a thing exists) but on the other hand smaller entitities could be merged into one "district" of "Greater Phoenix" if that benefits our readers Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:47, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * To be fair, the L.A. approach only makes sense if the suburbs and the dominant city share a common identity. In the case of L.A. you had technically separate municipalities like Malibu, Santa Monica and Beverly Hills that definitely have distinct identities but are still commonly thought of as part of L.A., so that was a case where bringing all of those together under the same framework made sense from a traveler's perspective. I honestly don't know if the same is true of Phoenix. PerryPlanet (talk) 18:27, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The relationship of Tempe and Mesa with Phoenix is actually quite similar to that of Malibu and Santa Monica with Los Angeles, and the comparison does make sense. However I find the districting of the L.A. article rather confusing. Los Angeles is classified as a city, which contains both district articles and region articles, and the region articles are further subdivided into yet more cities. I am not convinced that approach would work for Phoenix. I might suggest perhaps that the region of Greater Phoenix contain one city (Phoenix) and several bottom level regions, e.g. Metro Phoenix North etc., which would contain the city articles of Scottsdale, Glendale, etc.
 * Also, for me the name 'Greater Phoenix' seems rather contrived. I've always known of the area as the Phoenix Metropolitan Area, or Metro Phoenix for short. As an aside I should also add that I disagree with Wikipedia's map of Metro Phoenix which includes both Maricopa and Pinal Counties, when really I think only the eastern portion of Maricopa County (surrounding Phoenix) should be included. –StellarD (talk) 21:25, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * That's not Wikipedia's fault; the Phoenix Metropolitan Area is defined by the Census Bureau, and such Areas always follow county lines. Powers (talk) 20:47, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

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Suburbs?
It appears to me that most of the entries on this page aren't inside the Phoenix city limits, but instead belong on (currently nonexistent) pages for the suburbs - Buckeye, Goodyear, etc. Chances are we don't need a separate page for every tiny city on the west side of Phoenix, though. Perhaps a regional "west suburbs" article that could go under Greater Phoenix? I haven't been through there in years... maybe a local or a more recent visitor could weigh in. -- (WT-en) Dguillaime 18:19, 7 December 2008 (EST)

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TAT Listings
I moved the TAT listings from the province page to Talk:Phrae/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 13:11, 5 February 2010 (EST)

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