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Talk:Bosnian phrasebook

Phasebook project
I'll be filling in this Bosnian language phrasebook over the next few months, any other helpers out there? I'm not a native speaker of the language so feedback would be appreciated. Also, anyone want to do a Croatian or Serbian phrasebook? Obviously, whichever one is completed first can be used as a starting template for the other two. (WT-en) Esbullin 14:53, 20 Dec 2004 (EST)

 * Aren't the three languages practically identical? My understanding is that for spoken use the Serbian, Croatian and Bosnian (or Bosniak) dialects are indistinguishable. Nationalism aside, is there really a reason to have separate phrasebooks for these three?

 * That is incorrect. While it is true that Serbian, Croatian, and Bosnian are to a great extent mutually comprehensible, they are nonetheless quite distinguishable.  A good parallel might be British and American English.  Having said that, I think that we will want to have three separate phrasebooks for two different reasons:

 * 1)There *are* differences in common lexical items and in the grammer between the three languages. While a non-native speaker of Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian will probably be understood if using a word from a dialect/language other than the region they are in, the use of such a word will quite often cause feelings of ill-will coming from the person being spoken to. As a non-native speaker of Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian with extensive travel/work experience in the ex-yu, I would urge you to trust me on this on.

 * 2)While I agree with the gist of what you are saying, which is that Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian is essentially one language from a linguistic point of view, the political reality is that they are three separate languages. Indeed, these languages grow more and more seperate by the day due to increasing adoptation of neologisms "authentic" to whichever tongue.

 * Finally, if we were to create one phrasebook for all three languages, what would you call that language? Would we include the different grammatical structures for each phrase?  If so, why?  It's much easier to simply create three different phrasebooks.

 * I think that the beauty of this medium is that the sections can be infinitely modified and tailored to suite the needs of the traveler. If a local Bosnian, or Croatian, or Serbian word will go over better and garner more smiles than a non-local one, why not? (WT-en) Esbullin 22:39, 20 Dec 2004 (EST)

'''Icelandic and Faroese are around 90% mutually intelligable, but they're not the same language. Different alphabets, slightly different sounds seperate them, I'm pretty sure this is the case for Serbian, Croatian and Bosnian; afterall Serbian uses the cyrillic alphabet so there's one case for a different word book. I understand the point being made of the two languages massive similarity but there are minute differences, and of course political reasons for there to be two seperate phrasebooks.'''

 * I'd present for contrast our Spanish phrasebook. We have just the one phrasebook, even though there are many, many Spanish speaking countries with some non-trivial differences between them. We deal with this by having some notes on the phrasebook proper, and notes in the "Talk" section of each country page if there are other variations.

 * Spanish speaking people don't resent having their language called something other than Spanish. This is not the case among Bosniaks, Croats, and Serbs.  (WT-en) Esbullin 22:39, 20 Dec 2004 (EST)

 * The best reason I can think of for having separate phrasebooks is that Serbians use the Cyrillic alphabet, while Croats and Bosnian Muslims use the Latin one. I think that we could reasonably have both spellings on the same phrasebook, though. --(WT-en) Evan 22:13, 20 Dec 2004 (EST)

 * So, I'm pretty convinced here. I'd like to sum up the pros and cons of having separate phrasebooks for Serbian, Croatian, and Bosnian/Bosniak, rather than a single "Serbo-Croatian" phrasebook. Please feel free to edit the following list rather than responding to it.

 * I'm glad we talked this out. I know that language in the Balkans is a very prickly subject, and I figured we should try and discuss it as soon as it comes up, rather than having controversy broadside us later. I'm very glad that we have good reasons for doing this outside of assuaging some group or another. Our job isn't to make anyone feel better; it's to make a good travel guide that gives the straight story to the traveller. As always, the traveller comes first. But it sounds like separate phrasebooks are best for the traveller, so I think we should keep them. --(WT-en) Evan 23:39, 21 Dec 2004 (EST)

 * Cons
 * Similarity between languages means duplication of work, harder to keep up to date
 * Kowtowing, or appearance of kowtowing, to extreme (or not so extreme) nationalists in each region
 * Pros
 * Different scripts (Cyrillic vs. Latin)
 * Using the wrong words or phrases can cause ill will towards the traveller
 * Sufficiently different languages that having them all together would be confusing and complicated

Hey, I have some Bosnian friends at school and have been learning the language for about a month. I'd definitely like to work with you on your book as I have already been working on one for a while (just on paper, not in electronic form). Also, in reference to the differences between Bos/Cro/Serb I know that quite a few words vary only slighty in spelling however some words are totally different. What you can do is use one of the languages as a base (I use Bosnian) for your list of words. Then, if the Croatian or Serbian equivalent is different, simply write it next to the Bosnian word. This will save you from having to make 3 separate books and rewriting some words that are exactly the same. E-mail me at angusyoung@insectoidhq.com for collaboration... Some good starting resources are:

'''Spare me all these nationalist/religious clichés; these are getting old and NOTHING good will come out of them. Serbo-Croatian is ONE language; in fact it is the ONLY Slavic language written in both Latin and Cyrillic alphabet. If you want to talk about another language, compare Serbo-Croatian with, let us say, Russian or Polish, now THOSE are similar, yet different, languages. "Politically forced"?; You know the Serbs, Croats, Bosnians and the other Southern Slavs (except Bulgars) actually volunteered to create Yugoslavia in 1918 and then later in 1945?'''

http://home.freeuk.com/iandart/ http://www.ielanguages.com/croatian.html

Also remember that some things can have two or more words that represent it, usually one is a more formal version. I like to list out both formal and informal words (for instance there are many words for mother: Baba, Mati, Majka). The second link up there is prone to problems such as this (It lists Sunday as Nedjelja, which I beleive is the Croation pronunciation as my Bosnian friend says Nedelja, without the J)

Formatting
Anyone know how to format the letters/pronunciation better? I think it's confusing to have the letter on one line and the "like as in" on the next (WT-en) Esbullin 14:53, 20 Dec 2004 (EST)

 * It also doesn't make any sense. For example, there is no "ah" in "aardvark". Maybe you mean "like 'a' in 'father'" or "like 'ar' in 'hard'" or "like 'aar' in 'aardvark'" (although I don't see much difference between the last two). In any event, it's usually best to follow the phrasebook template unless there's a real good reason not to. --(WT-en) Evan 22:00, 20 Dec 2004 (EST)

 * Aside from the fact that my view on the status of Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian *does* make sense, I do agree with you that my fake phonetic explanation is incorrect at parts. I was using the template and rushing through (and I've never used fake phonetics like this before, only International Phonetics).  It was my intention to just get some stuff on the page and then go through and correct it(or wait until someone else did).  I thought that was the philosophy here.

 * As someone new to this project, I'm a little surprised that I took on a task like starting a phrasebook and didn't get as much as a welcome from a veteran Wikivoyager. (WT-en) Esbullin 22:46, 20 Dec 2004 (EST)

 * Please, take it as a compliment that your work engaged my interest and I forgot my manners. I just left a welcome message on User talk:(WT-en) Esbullin. Sorry for the businesslike tone.

 * As for "not making sense" -- I meant the phonetics, not the phrasebook itself. And, of course, you're right: I should just plunge forward and work on the phrasebook myself. You're also right that something is better than nothing, and that getting a new phrasebook started is a big step. Nice job -- let's keep up the momentum! --(WT-en) Evan 23:48, 21 Dec 2004 (EST)

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Talk:Boston

West End
Okay, can anyone familiar with Boston tell me what district article covers the West End? The area bounded by the Charles River, I-93/US 1, Cambridge Street, and Market Street? Specifically, which district article should contain TD Garden? LtPowers (talk) 00:54, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

 * TD Garden should be contained in North End. – sumone10154 ( talk ) 00:54, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

 * Many thanks! Powers (talk) 14:31, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Recent Update
Hey all, just did a big update to the main page. I think the whole section looks quite dated and could really use some cleanup. Let me know what you think, and I'll keep going if you like it. I love making maps and organizing things, but I'm a bit crap at writing, so if anyone can help out that would be amazing! —The preceding comment was added by ButteBag (talk • contribs)

 * The new map looks great! At first I was concerned that you had changed the district layout (something that usually requires discussion per Geographical hierarchy), but after a bit of review it looks your map just presents what is already in place in the Boston district articles.  One minor point - try to avoid first person pronouns like "our sports teams".  Aside from that I'd encourage you to continue - good job so far! -- Ryan • (talk) • 04:55, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

 * There appears to be some duplication in the new organization. For example, the regionlist on this article implies that districts like Boston/Back Bay are part of Boston/Downtown, but if that's the case, Boston/Downtown shouldn't have its own article -- it would only serve to duplicate the content in its subsidiary districts.  Then there's Boston/Hyde Park, which redirects to Boston/Dorchester, even though they're listed separately in the regionslist.  Powers (talk) 21:07, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

 * Yeah, Boston is a tricky one. Thank you for bringing up the Hyde Park page. I was thinking of doing something like the way it is now? IDK, what do you think? ButteBag (talk) 03:18, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

 * I daresay it's worse now, as the Dorchester page still claims to incorporate Hyde Park. Powers (talk) 13:27, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

 * Hi, ButteBag. I also want to point out that you are not allowed to copy text from copyrighted websites. I removed the majority of the text you put at Boston/Hyde Park because it was all copyright violations from 3 websites and a book. Texugo (talk) 13:42, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Boylston Chess Club
could someone add this iam having a hard time. --Sourn2029 (talk) 15:24, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Yet another districts discussion
Boston's districts are a bit confusing, and I know the city fairly well. It looks like it was decided that it couldn't have more than 9 and neighborhoods were mashed together to get the numbers down and a lot of the sub-districts are redirects. I think Boston should be handled like Manhattan or Chicago, where there are way more than 9 districts, but they are organized into larger categories that don't have their own article, like midtown for Manhattan. Another option would be to use San Francisco's model and just list all the districts(in SF's case, 15).

An example of the confusion I'm talking about is Fenway, which has a completely separate article from Boston/South End (which it should), but the main Boston article implies that South End is a subsection of Fenway. These are very different neighborhoods of roughly equal size and this should probably be reflected in the district scheme. Does anyone else have an appetite to help me take this on? I have a good knowledge of the city since I live nearby, but can't claim to be an expert.Godsendlemiwinks (talk) 22:27, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * There does seam to be a lot of districts, if nothing else a map of the districts for downtown is needed. I have only visited the area once (really liked the city) and find it a little confusing the way the downtown districts are separated and sometimes re-linked back. Would suggest either merging the downtown districts or maybe adding a couple of the more interesting ones to the main Boston list of districts and map.Current set up does not help a visitor who is not familiar with the city.--Traveler100 (talk) 06:22, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of combining Bay Village and Chinatown since they're both very small and right next to each other. I think the Financial District article should be merged with Downtown since its the least interesting central neighborhood and most people think of it as "downtown" anyway.  I'm not sure what to call the parent category.  I've never considered the North End or Beacon Hill to be "downtown" despite their proximity to the city center and it would be odd to have an article called "downtown" in a parent category with the same name.  Central Boston maybe?Godsendlemiwinks (talk) 22:34, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I was thinking about this too. I feel like the main Boston article and its subsections could use a little TLC. Here's my shot at it, feel free to edit this until it gets to a point where people are liking it. I can make maps of the top level areas if we're in agreement. Imagine all the top level items being their own color on the map, and second level items would be a hue of that color. Italic items would link into a subsection of the parent article until they have enough meat to stand on their own. (eg.. boston/downtown#bay-village, as opposed to boston/downtown/north-end) Bundling neighborhoods under other neighborhoods feels weird to me, but it's the best I can think of.

With this scheme we have 10 map colors and 14 district pages. I think another page for the freedom trail might be a cool idea? ButteBag (talk) 00:00, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

 * Downtown
 *  Financial District
 *  West End
 *  Bay Village
 * Beacon Hill
 * North End
 * Chinatown

 * Back Bay

 * Fenway
 *  Mission Hill

 * South End

 * Charlestown

 * South Boston
 *  Waterfront
 * Harbor Islands

 * East Boston

 * Allston/Brighton

 * Dorchester
 *  Roxbury
 *  Mattapan

 * Jamaica Plain
 *  Hyde Park
 *  Roslindale
 *  West Roxbury

Update
The above discussion went dormant, but no one ever expressed any opposition to the above proposal. Recently Boston/Financial District was merged to Boston/Downtown, and several weeks later that change was reverted with the comment "rv redirect unsupported by consensus". I don't know the area well enough to know what makes sense here, but I reverted the revert based on the fact that there were a few people who made a case for merging districts, and no one opposed that proposal. -- Ryan • (talk) • 06:41, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Without knowing much about the city, I do have to say that the proposal seems to violate policy, in that some of the districts will be only partially subdivided. We generally frown on partial subdivisions at any level of the hierarchy, but especially at the district level (where this two-level structure is already very unusual), it seems like it could be very confusing. Powers (talk) 18:13, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Cool, thank you for the feedback Powers! Maybe we should do what you say and ignore the whole sub-sub neighborhood aspect. Maybe I should build a map similar to this one? Boston Neighborhoods Everyone argues about what a neighborhood is here, but this image is from the city website, so it would seem to be a good start. I could also tint the bigger sub-neighborhoods the way they do on the Chicago page. We would have to rewrite / split up some of the articles a bit, but as long as there is a clear goal to work towards I think people will pitch in. Does anyone think it would be a big deal if a few sections are almost empty while others have oceans of content? --ButteBag (talk) 20:10, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, that - and especially the almost empty articles - would not be good. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:37, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, so which of the two ideas is the lesser of two evils then? Thank you for your feedback, but your comment does not offer a solution. If we use the map from the city of Boston linked above we'd:
 * merge Beacon Hill with Back Bay (seems fine)
 * merge Downtown with North End and Chinatown (a bit much)
 * merge Jamaica Plain with Mission Hill (seems fine)
 * create West Roxbury
 * create Mattapan
 * create Roslindale
 * The three new pages plus the Roxbury and Hyde Park pages will be pretty empty at first.
 * The new combined "Central" or "Downtown" page would have a lot of content. Maybe we could move all the Freedom Trail content to it's own district? That breaks the rules a bit, but would be quite helpful from a visitor's point of view.
 * In general I like this direction, it feels a lot more cohesive than what we have currently. The uneven amounts of content would be the biggest drawback at first, but with a clear plan I think people will start adding things if they feel like there is a place for them to go.
 * --ButteBag (talk) 22:05, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I like Boston but don't know the city well enough to have an opinion on what the best way is to district it for the purposes of Wikivoyage readers/travelers, so I can only caution you that having nearly empty articles about a district of a city is bad. What two "evils" are you alluding to? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:24, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you! I need a lot of advice! Empty articles is one "evil", and the other is what Powers was mentioning; having a confusing hierarchy of district articles. --ButteBag (talk) 23:58, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * If I may, Ikan, it's bound to happen that a new district article is going to be empty at first. Why is that a problem? Powers (talk) 00:34, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I take your point. It's not a problem if there is enough potential content for the new district article. It is a problem if it remains empty for an extended period (e.g., years). Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:41, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * We could make a district called "Periphery" or "Outlying Districts" or something to that effect. It could contain Roslindale, Mattapan, Hyde Park, and West Roxbury? It would work on the map, and very few people visit these areas of Boston. Once there is enough content they could break out into their own district page? Ultimately, Powers' idea is the clearest. I think some sections will have more content and some will have less. --ButteBag (talk) 14:46, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello! I gave it a shot. Here is what it would look like with the four low content districts merged as one. I really can't decide to go with this or have four empty-ish district pages. These neighborhoods aren't super related for people who live here. But for visitors they are all far from the center and don't have the best transit connections as some of the other neighborhoods. Boston neighborhoods crop.svg
 * That seems very reasonable. Powers (talk) 21:27, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

OK, I added the Outer Neighborhoods section, and updated the map on the main page. I think we need to merge a few articles and of course add a bunch more content! --ButteBag (talk) 14:51, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * merge Beacon Hill with Back Bay
 * merge Downtown with North End and Chinatown
 * merge Jamaica Plain with Mission Hill
 * create Freedom Trail itinerary
 * Sorry for starting this and then going awol. This is much more useful than the previous iteration.  Thanks to all that contributed.Godsendlemiwinks (talk) 22:41, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Yeah it feels like this version of the map is the most successful by far. Thanks again! --ButteBag (talk) 02:36, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Rideshare section heading
https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Boston&oldid=prev&diff=3035293

I think the section heading should be generic; we don't know what other ridesharing options might develop in the future, and specifying Uber and Lyft in the heading could be seen as promotional. We don't do this for any other section in "Get Around". We don't say "By MBTA"; we say "By public transit". Powers (talk) 13:20, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree! --ButteBag (talk) 02:36, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Housekeeping, Odd Questions

 * 1) Hello! Is it possible to archive any of this page? Like anything before the "Pronunciation of Faneuil" post for example is pretty old.
 * 2) Does anyone have time to critique the updates I've been making to the Boston/Dorchester page? Writing is not my strong suit, ha. Any things I am doing good or bad would be great to hear. I'm trying to get some better photos right now. Is it better or worse than some of the other district pages?
 * 3) I'm thinking about making some updates to the main Boston page and the other districts. Looks like some museum content is duplicated on the district pages, and that big list of colleges should probably go. I was thinking of making a Freedom Trail itinerary page, but that could create more duplication! For example, where should the "Old North Church" go? Main page? North End page? The new itinerary page? All three? My idea was to have the bulk of the info (phone number, hours, etc) on the itinerary page, and have a linked "freedom trail" paragraph on district pages to briefly describe the parts of the trail in that district. Or maybe an itinerary is not needed at all if the information is better organized? Just kind of rambling here, but if there are any resources you could point me to, on tips to avoid duplication in large city articles that would be very appreciated. Thank you! --ButteBag (talk) 02:36, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Also: If I were to merge the Back Bay and Beacon Hill articles... should I copy content from one into the other? Or create a new Back Bay/Beacon Hill page? The latter makes more sense to me, because it would tie in with the district map better. But I am not sure what the protocol is in this situation.

 * I'll handle the Freedom Trail question: I don't think it's a problem to duplicate information between a Freedom Trail article and district articles, and I think a Freedom Trail itinerary article is a great idea! Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:27, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Yeah, the city reps the freedom trail pretty hard to visitors, so having something here to reflect that is a good idea.

To-Do's
Hello! I've been adding maps and boundaries to the district sections of Boston. Hopefully this will start to clarify what goes where, and help to reduce duplicate content in some areas. I'm sure there will be some disagreement about where the lines are, but you have to draw them somewhere dude. Anyway here is a list of what I think needs doing. Maybe we can keep updating this list as people make changes? If only in spirit, lol. Generally, a lot of listings are missing hours, phone numbers, lat/long, etc. And some listings should move from one district to another, as the dividing lines have become less fuzzy. --ButteBag (talk) 21:40, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Updating list. In general these articles really need help with blurb listings. Especially in the Eat, Drink, and Sleep sections. Everything also needs major copy editing. Most sections need better pictures and banners, I'm hoping to add them when the weather improves. I'd also like to add a few infoboxes with local lore here and there. --ButteBag (talk) 21:15, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

 * Boston I could add a few more pictures.
 * Downtown guide: Understand should be revisited. Needs blurbs.
 * North End guide: Needs blurbs/pictures/copyediting.
 * Back Bay-Beacon Hill guide: Needs blurbs/copyediting.
 * Fenway/Kenmore guide: Missing writing for lead and Understand. Needs blurbs/pictures.
 * South End guide: Needs blurbs/pictures/copyediting.
 * South Boston guide: Needs pictures/copyediting.
 * Charlestown guide: Needs geo/blurbs/pictures/copyediting.
 * East Boston guide: Needs blurbs/pictures/copyediting.
 * Allston/Brighton guide: Needs blurbs/pictures/copyediting.
 * Jamaica Plain guide: Needs blurbs/pictures/copyediting.
 * Roxbury guide: Needs blurbs/pictures/copyediting.
 * Dorchester guide: Missing lead. Needs blurbs/pictures.
 * Outer Neighborhoods guide: Needs blurbs/pictures.

 * Freedom Trail Very bad shape, needs many edits.
 * Black Heritage Trail Done. Pictures could be better.
 * Boston Harborwalk Needs literally everything. Was going to copy a lot from here.
 * Boston Logan International Airport Article does not even exist yet.

Lede
Per policy, the lede needs to place the destination in geographical context. In practice, that means we need to link at least Massachusetts and possibly Greater Boston as well. Powers (talk) 00:37, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

 * Massachusetts certainly, but reminding users that Boston is part of Greater Boston strikes me as Captain Obvious. For those who feel the pressing need to know what's above Boston in the regions hierarchy, the breadcrumb trail is spelled out at the top of every page. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:45, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

 * I agree, saying that X is part of greater X is beyond obvious. Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:47, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

 * I agree, too. "New York City is part of the New York City Metropolitan Area". Duh. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:51, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

 * Yarg, policy strikes again. I was assuming the breadcrumb links not 80 pixels away would be enough. Fair enough tho, I see the point. I like a lot of the edits made to the lede so far thank you! I will probably tweak it just a bit further. I noticed one factual inaccuracy and maybe a clunky spot or two. Do you mind if I have a go @andre? Thanks all! --ButteBag (talk) 15:28, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

 * Breadcrumbs are helpful, but we can't count on them following our text wherever it might be re-used. The text needs to be complete by itself and not rely on any specific site's navigation mechanisms.  Powers (talk) 01:11, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

 * Also, just for giggles, is there a link to where the policy states: the lede needs to place the destination in geographical context? Not that I'm arguing. --ButteBag (talk) 15:42, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

 * Ok, done. AndreCarrotflower I hope I didn't step on your toes too much, most of my edits turned out to be pretty pedantic. I took your point about how people probably won't know about the Tea Party, and I loved "shipload"! Powers, is it cool that Massachusetts is linked in the 3rd paragraph now and not the first? Seems to flow better this way. (To me). Thank you! --ButteBag (talk) 16:09, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

 * Your edits look great to me. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:36, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

w:Banned in Boston
I'm wondering if this is a better phenomenon to name-drop in the lede to reference the "distinct mix of puritanical ideals", rather than public schools. My first inclination was to add it in, but I think it would be better to defer to ButteBag's expertise on the matter. What say you? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:42, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I've never really heard of this actually, cool! I'm just one voice, but I would guess more people have heard of Puritans then the "Banned in Boston" movement. The weird Catholic stuff is why I put the word parochial in there if that helps at all. --ButteBag (talk) 16:51, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

To Guide status and DotM
First off, I want to once again call out ButteBag's superlative work on the Boston district articles. ButteBag, under your stewardship Boston is rapidly moving to take its place next to Chicago, Washington DC, and San Francisco on the list of Wikivoyage's best-covered cities (I'll leave Buffalo for someone else to judge).

One of the reasons I've had my eye on the development of the Boston articles is that I think it would make a fantastic Destination of the Month. Of course, for a place to be eligible to be featured as DotM it has to have attained Guide status or better - and, in turn, for a districtified city like Boston to attain Guide status, all the district articles must be at least at Usable status (among other requirements, all of which the article currently fulfills).

I've just finished surveying the district articles again, and it appears that there is actually very little work necessary to bring the last two Outline-level Boston districts - Boston/Outer Neighborhoods and Boston/East Boston - up to Usable status. All that's required is to find a hotel to put into Boston/Outer Neighborhoods and to listingify the prose descriptions of attractions in Boston/East Boston. I imagine this is something that could be done in the space of an hour or less.

Again, ButteBag: keep up the good work on all the district articles, but if you could make some time to attend to those two tasks in particular, we could then elevate Boston to Guide status and officially nominate it for DotM. Please note that Boston's DotM stint will likely have to wait until 2018, so don't worry if you'd prefer to have the district articles in better shape before it goes live on the Main Page: you'll have ample time for further improvements between now and then.

-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:41, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback and warm words Andre, that is very kind of you! To be honest with you, I still don't truly understand how articles are given a certain designation. It looks like the Allston article is a guide now, but in my mind it is missing something like 50-70% of the content. The main Back Bay/Beacon Hill and Downtown articles are disasters. Charlestown is also quite poor. The North End is unresolved and the Freedom Trail itinerary still needs lots of work. I wouldn't want to put something in front of someone, when it is so clearly (to me) unfinished. I have also been shocked at the lack of images for the main tourist sites here! I'd love to take some snaps once the weather improves. ALSO Cambridge/Somerville need to be improved as they are basically districts of Boston to travellers. Thank you again for your kind words! --ButteBag (talk) 15:39, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Logan Airport
While I'm thinking of it, does Logan Airport meet the requirements for having it's own "Big Airport" page? I think there are one or two hotels on the premises, and of course a bunch of food options throughout the various terminals. I don't have time to put it together now, but just wondering for the future. I'm sure there are many New England towns that use Logan as the "by air" portion of "get in". Thanks! --ButteBag (talk) 16:43, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

 * According to Airport Expedition, you've already answered one of the two questions that go to determining whether an airport should get its own article (whether there are enough "Buy", "Eat", and "Drink" listings to fill out their respective sections). The other question is whether the airport handles connecting flights. I've had connections at Logan myself from time to time, so clearly yes, Logan is a valid candidate for its own article. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:48, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

A (very) minor redistricting
Hello! This maybe doesn't even count as a redistricting, but wanted to get a consensus to be sure. I thought of a few minor points I think could help. Thanks! --ButteBag (talk) 21:35, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * #1: I think the 15 or so listings in the Downtown article that are in the West End should move into the North End article. It makes sense from a geographic point of view, and will provide a better balance of content between the two articles. I guess we'd also rename it to Boston/North_End-West_End.
 * #2: I'd also like to update the map at Boston. I'd create a new region, "Inner Neighborhoods". Then for the region items, add back the links for Jamaica Plain, Mission Hill, Dorchester, and Roxbury. No articles would be created or merged. It would be almost identical to how the "Central" region is working now. This makes sense from the travelers point of view, as these are mostly residential neighborhoods, and (I'm guessing) less important for many visitors. It would also reduce the region count by two, which would be nice.
 * #3: On the fence about this one, but we could also add a "Not Boston" region to Boston? Another unlinked one with Cambridge, Somerville, and Brookline as region items? It's irritating, because these are not part of Boston, but from a travelers point of view they are. Cambridge in particular is well connected and often touristed. If not we can leave as is.

 * Gut feeling: Cities like Cambridge and Somerville have their own identity and are part of Greater Boston, but not Boston. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:50, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

 * Yeah, it could go either way for me. Cambridge feels "more Boston" to me than Hyde Park, but I'm sure that statement is inflammatory to someone else. What do you think about the way the district section is now? --ButteBag (talk) 23:43, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

 * I doubt that I should express an opinion about that, as I'm only an occasional visitor to Boston and don't know the entire city, only the parts I've visited. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:53, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

 * Ha, well at least someone is looking at how Boston is districted! Anyway, I'll probably do #1 since it doesn't seem that controversial. I'll maybe do #2 later if more opinions are expressed. And I guess #3 will keep working the way it is now. Thanks! --ButteBag (talk) 17:21, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Star nomination
OK, let 'er rip! I think I've basically covered everything I can think of. Got a WV styled static map in the commons as an SVG. Following the manual of style to the best of my ability. (Although I'm sure a typo or two has snuck in.) All boring lists have been prose-ified, with judicious use of bolding for the more important bits around town. I would like to add a few more pictures as the summer goes on, but I think the article is pretty pretty pretty good as it stands. What does everyone think? Anything I can improve? Thank you for your feedback! --ButteBag (talk) 01:19, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Haven't given the article a thorough read yet, but something that immediately jumps out at me is that some of the district articles are still at usable status. The requirements for a major city star article is that all districts be at least guide status, so those are going to have to be improved first. PerryPlanet (talk) 02:20, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, shoot! I knew there must be something missing. Please let me know if there are any other issues with the article itself, I can fix them while I'm improving the districts. Thanks! --ButteBag (talk) 14:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, I've got them up to guide status now. Please let me know if I've upgraded any in error, or if you notice any other issues with the Boston article. Thank you! --ButteBag (talk) 03:15, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Very solid stuff. I remember being underwhelmed by the Boston guide the last time I gave it a good look (I think this was about a couple of years ago), so it's pleasantly surprising to see it in such great shape now. I'll try to give it a very thorough read when I get the chance, but there were a couple of things I noticed off-the-bat: 1) some of the listings in Downtown and Charlestown lack coordinates, and 2) although they're not technically district articles, the adjacent cities listed in the districts section (Cambridge, Somerville, and Brookline) should also be tidied up (I notice a lot of dead links in Cambridge, in particular) and upgraded to guide status, since (as the Boston page points out) casual visitors think of those places as part of Boston too, and every great Boston guide must have great coverage of those cities too. On a similar note, the Freedom Trail itinerary should also be spruced up and upgraded.
 * On a more general note, I would recommend digging through some of our other major city Star articles (e.g. Chicago and San Francisco) to get a sense of what we expect from a city guide of Star caliber. We hold these up to very high standards, and doubly so when it comes to a major destination like this, so don't be surprised if the feedback you get on this gets extremely particular. I'll also add that I've never been to Boston, so we should definitely get a second (and third and fourth and fifth) opinion from someone who has. PerryPlanet (talk) 22:16, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * On an extra note, did you remember to post a note in the traveler's pub to draw attention to this discussion? PerryPlanet (talk) 22:19, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Yes, before I started, the Boston article felt so out of date as to be considered misinformation! I have been constantly referencing the ORD, SFO & DCA star articles as I went, I often find examples more enlightening than documentation. It's very tricky to balance the facts a traveller needs to know without going overboard on details, while adding the complexity of phrasing it so that someone might actually want to read it.
 * I don't mind getting into the weeds either, as long as we don't lose the forest for the trees. I had noticed the Chicago districts are stars themselves without having lat/long for every POI. Maybe that was then, and this is now; so if that is the only criticism of Boston, I would happily take it! (Also: to be clear none of the Boston district articles should be considered stars, they don't have hand drawn maps and are not qualified.) --ButteBag (talk) 22:54, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I only bring up the coordinates because the lack of hand-drawn maps in the district pages makes mapping them in the dynamic maps even more important. PerryPlanet (talk) 23:51, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello! I'm wondering if there are any comments on the Boston article itself? I'm in the process of updating the Cambridge/Somerville/Brookline articles now. That was the only feedback so far about next steps to take for granting star status. Does that sound right? Thanks for your input! --ButteBag (talk) 14:54, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

 * Hello! Wondering if anyone has had time to review Boston yet? The summer is well underway, and I'm getting pulled onto other tasks, but I've been cleaning up the Cambridge / Somerville / Brookline articles so Boston can be eligible for a star. Just wondering if there were any comments or feedback on the main article?
 * It also looks like someone corrected some of my typos and misspellings, yay! They also removed (in my opinion) some "lively prose", boo! Not sure what the actual "prose" criteria is, or how/if to rectify the edits. Thanks for your help! --ButteBag (talk) 00:07, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Feel free to revert or revise any prose changes that you feel damage the tone. Powers (talk) 18:59, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

 * I think the article looks great! A few suggestions:
 * I find the links for the "Central" district confusing. (This might be true of other star articles too...I find Chicago's district links similarly confusing.) There are five links, with little indication of how the reader should choose which one to click on, but once you do click on them you realize that they only go to two articles. Instead of having a one-liner description for "Central", I would suggest splitting it up into a one-liner description for "Downtown" and another one for "North End"—then there could just be two links, and the reader would have a way to decide which one to click on.
 * It might be nice to have an indication of the locations of North Station and South Station (maybe addresses or cross streets?)
 * The article says "It takes about 15-30 stressful minutes to transfer between the two stations." Could that sentence be adjusted to say how travellers should transfer between the stations (subway? bus?)?
 * I've never been to Boston, but these are the thoughts that occurred to me when I looked through the article. —Granger (talk · contribs) 10:41, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Not yet. The Go next section is too long. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  | contributions ) 02:14, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

 * I'm assuming you mean the descriptions of each "Go next" destination should be shortened per 1-liner listings, and I would agree with that, but only slightly, as in skipping through the section, I think most of the descriptions are quite good. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:39, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Yes, and also the way the sections are divided. And also the number of destinations listed. I know Boston's a big place, but perhaps it should be slimmed down to just the most popular destinations in the area. Otherwise, a pretty good article. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 18:57, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

 * - you've got to keep in mind that just because most Wikivoyage articles are a certain way, that doesn't mean there's a policy that says they have to be. For instance, I don't know where this idea came from that says descriptions of cities listed in "Go next" sections can be no longer than one line. There's nothing about that in the manual of style. All the mos says is "provide a brief description", without defining what "brief" means. Similarly, the mos also does not say anything about whether "Go next" sections should be divided into subsections. In cases where the mos is silent, such as how to structure the "Go next" section, we should assume it's up to the author's discretion and judge based on what works best for the individual destination, which in Boston's case seems to point to the section being longer and more detailed than usual. And where the terms used in the mos are ambiguous, such as "brief", we should assume that a certain degree of leeway exists. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:18, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

 * I don't think that listings should be only one line in length. Contributors should be free to add some more if they like, but I think the number of destinations listed there shouldn't be too long. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 19:20, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

 * The question we're trying to answer is whether Boston runs afoul of mos, and it doesn't look to me like it does. If you personally think that "Go next" sections should be limited to a certain length, then let's first talk about gathering consensus to amend mos, rather than attempting to enforce a policy that doesn't exist yet. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:23, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

 * My criticisms of the article are not really about mos. I simply think that an article with so many destinations in that section should not become a star article until some are removed. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 19:58, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

 * I don't agree with you. Large cities like Boston are excellent bases for further exploration. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:43, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

I guess. But couldn't some things be merged into one listing, or whatever? I might give it a try. Don't worry, I wouldn't remove anything important or relevant. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 23:10, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Do whatever you want, but in the case of Boston, you might ask User:ButteBag if you're about to do anything major. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:58, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

 * No, nothing major. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 00:17, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 * I've made the "New England" section of "Go next" more compact. It's better, but could perhaps be even better. I think, though, I'll switch to weak support because the content of the Go next section seems worth reading. All of that section seems useful to the traveler. Definitely a couple very interesting infoboxes as well — like the theft and the molasses flood. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 00:53, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 * To the degree that policy makes it possible to do so, we should avoid thinking in terms of one-size-fits-all standards that we apply to all articles across the board, and instead think in terms of what works best for each specific article. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:19, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Hey SelfieCity, I guess I don't follow. Looks like in Go Next, the New England sub-section has 4 long bullet points with multiple "things" compressed into each. Seems harder to parse, and inconsistent with the other bulleted points. I'd rather they were all redone in the same style or were left the way they were. What do you think? --ButteBag (talk) 00:48, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm, yeah I also had them organized closest -> furthest from Boston by time (not distance). So we lost that. Plus now the states are emphasized (more likely to have heard of), and not the destinations (less likely to have heard of). Yeah, I'm not wild about these edits, sorry to say... --ButteBag (talk) 00:57, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

 * Well, frankly, I'm still not wild about the length of the section. I think it ought to be shortened some more, if possible, not to fit a particular standard but to make the section a reasonable length. This is why I made these edits. Feel free to adjust as you see fit, but articles shouldn't be dominated by a list of other places to go, but instead they should be about the specific place (in this case, the city of Boston) with a short section at the end for other cities. I don't see why we need to have listings for places as far away as Canada, for example.
 * Basically, I don't see why we need a whole essay about other places to go. I understand there's a lot of possibilities, but I think it's best not to overwhelm the traveler with loads of places where you can "go next". I think 10 possible destinations should be the maximum for a city of this size. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 02:31, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

 * City its size? It's the largest city in New England. I again disagree with you. The length of the section is IMO totally fine. And to me, the whole point of a "Go next" section is to give readers choices. The more choices, within reason, IMO, the better. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:07, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree a lot of choices in "Go next" is good, as long as they're divided into subsections in a sensible way, which these seem to be. I've often wished that an article had a longer "Go next" section, but rarely felt like there were too many choices.
 * The three suggestions I mentioned above still stand, but otherwise I think this looks like an excellent article. —Granger (talk · contribs) 03:33, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I still think it's a good article. Just potential improvements. --Comment by <font color="Olive">Selfie City  ( talk | <font color="Olive">contributions ) 05:13, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Of course, User:ButteBag if you really want to revert the edits, go ahead. --Comment by <font color="Olive">Selfie City  ( talk | <font color="Olive">contributions ) 13:26, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

 * My apologies for side-tracking this discussion with a relatively unimportant issue, but again here (unfortunately) I do not see consensus. Therefore this ought to be slushed; however, feel free to renominate this article. Result: lack of consensus, so it remains at its current status. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 16:40, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Your copyright is being infringed
Please see Wikivoyage_talk:Non-compliant_redistribution for details, but in short there is content on Boston/Downtown, and most likely the city's other district articles, that has been republished elsewhere without observing the terms of our CC Licence. Your input on what we should do next is requested on the talk page of Non-compliant redistribution. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:45, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Reported Resolved as of 16 December 2017 –ASiplas (talk) 16:12, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Non-uniformly-hyperlinked phone numbers
Just browsed in nice work! I added listing to MBTA under Tourist resources using the template and was going to use it to fix a few inline numbers which weren't hyperlinked and others that were using a manually entered "☎" and others simply using   syntax. It seems valuable to utilize the same format from both a UX perspective with the little black phone icon and also perhaps to use hcard format that the template outputs for bots. Using Listing almost works but it adds a trailing period so can't be used to replace mid-sentence unlinked phone numbers. Going to implement Tel using same backend module as the current listing templates. Anyone else see this as good idea? –ASiplas (talk) 16:26, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Just look for another way of formatting the text, no need to create a template for one line of one article. --Traveler100 (talk) 16:44, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok cool. I find no guidance on this at wv:Wiki markup or wv:Phone numbers—what is wanted syntax here?  Something like   → [tel:+16172223200 +1 617 222-3200] seems reasonable and minimal code given wv:Avoid HTML.  –ASiplas (talk) 02:05, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Nevermind saw your edit it all makes sense now. –ASiplas (talk) 02:24, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks great, TY for the edits! I guess I'm coming out of hibernation for a minute to add some polish before the spotlight. Thanks again! --ButteBag (talk) 00:30, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Historical accuracy?
Casually reading the history section, I noticed a few questionable items. Those just happened to be two things that I knew about. It made me wonder about the rest of the history section that I knew less about. For instance, I know that many Puritans didn't like Christmas, but did they actually think it was "satanical"? Did Oliver Wendell Holmes really call Boston "the hub of the universe"? It it really true that "no large buildings were under construction" at the end of World War 2? Have racial tensions really "eased dramatically"?
 * "Resistance came to a boiling point on March 5, 1770, when Redcoats out on patrol shot Crispus Attucks dead on the steps of the Old State House." Compare this to the following passage from Wikipedia: "White, who had taken up a somewhat safer position on the steps of the Custom House, sought assistance. Runners alerted the nearby barracks and Captain Thomas Preston, the officer of the watch.[21][22] According to his report, Preston dispatched a non-commissioned officer and six privates of the 29th Regiment of Foot, with fixed bayonets, to relieve White."  It may seem like a small detail, but there's a difference between soldiers roaming around and finding trouble, and soldiers getting in trouble while stuck at a post.
 * "On the night of April 18, 1775, Revere rode out of Boston famously yelling: 'The British are coming, the British are coming!'" Again, compare this to the following passage from Wikipedia: "Revere did not shout the phrase later attributed to him ('The British are coming!'): his mission depended on secrecy, the countryside was filled with British army patrols, and most of the Massachusetts colonists (who were predominantly English in ethnic origin)[44] still considered themselves British.[45][46] Revere's warning, according to eyewitness accounts of the ride and Revere's own descriptions, was 'The Regulars are coming out.'[47]"  Again, it's a detail, but there is a difference.

I think that somebody should take a careful look at this section, especially if there are thoughts of making it a featured/star article.

I've noticed that many history sections on this wiki appear to be completely unsourced. I did see the notice on "Welcome, Wikipedians" that Wikivoyage articles use no references, but. . . maybe this would be a good time to change that practice, or to make an exception for history sections? Surely we want factual accuracy, and I personally find it very difficult to write accurately about history in any amount of detail without consulting sources frequently as I write. 69.174.155.242 20:08, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

 * It looks like you've taken a careful look. Plunge forward and change anything you know to be inaccurate or that you think is likely to be inaccurate and doesn't need to be addressed in a travel article. If you think your edits are likely to be controversial, propose specific edits here and see what response you get to your proposed wording. As for the proposal of putting citations into Wikivoyage articles, you'd have to make that at Wikivoyage talk: External links, as an individual destination article can't be an exception to policy. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:15, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

 * I've taken a careful look at those two particular facts, not the whole section. It would probably take me several days of labor to pore through the whole history section to fact check it.  I'm more concerned with the unreliability of the whole section than those two particular facts.  Probably the most labor effective way to fix this would be take the history section from Wikipedia's Boston area and delete it down to a manageable length for this.  I don't have to make a proposal in a particular place for people to see it and become convinced that it could be a good idea.  I don't have a lot of time to contribute to this, honestly, but I saw  a problem and thought maybe people would want to know about it, particularly people deciding if this should be a featured article, and casual readers looking to assess the article's credibility. 69.174.155.242 20:32, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

 * Besides us here at Wikivoyage using a different WV:Tone and not using references, there would also be the issue of length. I have however in the past found myself arguing with some who wanted to introduce "shorter" wordings which lack subtle nuance or other things and end up being wrong so I see the issue. Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:59, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

 * Updated the language to better match the first point. For the second, everyone thinks that's what Revere yelled, even if it isn't true. The real story is an interesting and little known fact and perspective. It would make a great infobox I think, maybe on the Boston/North End page? I don't 100% remember, but I think I was looking at the WP version and trying to add more of a narrative thread when I was putting the history section together. I think people reading a travel guide are looking for something with more of a POV than WP can provide, but to take your main point, yes why not make the story as accurate as possible? Thanks for your reading and insights! --ButteBag (talk) 20:10, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Boston travel guide in Wikibooks
On Wikibooks there's a request for deletion about a Boston travel guide and they have considered moving the content to Wikivoyage Boston article. Probably, since our Boston article is well developed, there is little need for a transwiki, but just wanted to let other Wikivoyagers know so they can take part in that discussion. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 15:20, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The nomination is now closed and that page has been deleted. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 18:53, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I had a look at the page before it was deleted and it didn't seem like there was much, if anything, worth merging that wasn't already covered in our article here. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:25, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's the same view that I took and ButteBag took as well. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 23:51, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Redistricting
Hello all! As a resident of Boston for 17 years, I figured that I should put my two cents in as to how Boston’s “districts” should be defined on Wikivoyage, as this has been a hot topic over the last few years:
 * Longwood and Symphony, while grouped with Fenway-Kenmore, should be denoted as separate districts: While these neighborhoods are somewhat small, they maintain their own separate identities as Boston’s medical and arts districts and should be treated as separate neighborhoods. Perhaps a better name for this area should be “Greater Fenway”, including Fenway, Kenmore, Audubon Circle, Longwood and Symphony.
 * I know this may get some backlash from other locals, but Cambridge, Somerville and Brookline should be treated as neighborhoods of Boston and color-Coded on the map. All three of these politically separate areas are certainly more connected to downtown than Hyde Park is, and they feel more like Boston than Hyde Park does — and this is coming from someone who lived in Brookline at one point. Tourists don’t care if these areas are separate, and people from these towns often consider themselves “Bostonians” — the only difference is that they don’t have the same mayor.
 * While we’re at it, Chestnut Hill should have its own district article and location on the map. Many of the neighborhood’s attractions are already covered in both the Newton and Brookline articles, but the neighborhood is large enough that it should probably have its own sub-article, with attractions from the Newton, Brookline and Boston portions of the neighborhood (as defined by the 02467 zip code).
 * Finally, it should be noted that the non-central neighborhoods of Boston do not have Boston addresses.

Please let me know your thoughts! 2600:1:F468:C088:94F1:BA1E:3A01:B01F 23:38, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

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Ambiguous history
I think we need more dates than "By the close of World War II" at the beginning of this paragraph and "during the 1970s" at the end. When did the urban renewal policies demolish all those buildings? When was anti-Jewish and anti-Black violence on the rise? When did a court order force Boston public schools to integrate? I remember the riots in Southie when busing was ordered in the 1970s; that seems to be the context, but it needs to be made explicit, because right now, we have mush.

This is the first paragraph of "History/Modern" in "Understand":

''By the close of World War II, Boston was on the decline. Poorly thought out urban renewal policies demolished hundreds of acres of ethnic neighborhoods. Factories were closing, no large buildings were under construction, and anti-Jewish and anti-black violence was on the rise. A court order forced Boston Public Schools to integrate, flaring racial tensions throughout the city. White flight was in full swing, as wealthier white Bostonians fled the city. A widely circulated photograph, The Soiling of Old Glory, depicted a young white student thrusting a flagpole at a restrained black man, reinforcing Boston's reputation for discrimination. But there were seeds of hope planted during the 1970s as well.''

Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:46, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

 * And at the end of that subsection, when was this true?

 * city streets once again echo with the sounds of activity and construction not seen for decades

 * Forgetting about the pandemic for now, hasn't Boston had a good deal of construction for decades now? When did the sounds of construction stop? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:49, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

What is the MBTA?
Could we please tell readers what the MBTA is. Now we tell:
 * The best way to get around Boston is the MBTA, or "T" for short. Bostonians complain about it endlessly, but its convenience, affordable cost and extensive coverage are undeniable. As the fourth largest transit system in the US, the T conducts a daily symphony of every conveyance imaginable to move over 1.3 million people to their destinations. Use your favorite mapping application, or the official MBTA transit app to help plan your route.

Seriously, also Wikipedia is confused. It starts talking about light rail and subways, and the difference between MBTA and common use (commuter?) rail, then continues talking about MBTA commuter rail, supposedly on common use railways.

A quick read suggests that all local and regional public transport, except some ferries, is handled by MBTA from the traveller's point of view, although legal arrangements vary. But when you say "T", does it include all those modes of transport? Is it a synonym for public transport in Boston?

So could we have a short paragraph defining MBTA before talking about complains and goodness.

–LPfi (talk) 08:00, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

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I moved this page to be more in line with our article naming conventions. Specifically, we usually make districts of a city as subpages of that city page (like San Francisco/Tenderloin). That's pretty much the only place we do it, though: usually we just have the name of the destination (Denver) or a disambiguator in parens for places that share a name (Springfield (Massachusetts) versus Springfield (Kentucky)). It's all complicated and hard, I know. --(WT-en) Evan 12:27, 2 Dec 2003 (PST)

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I think the banner needs to be a little dirtier/grittier than what we have now. --ButteBag (talk) 04:38, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

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Um.. yeah, so anyone know where this actually is? (WT-en) OldPine 16:31, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

 * WikiPedia:Bay Village, Boston, Massachusetts. There is a much larger suburb of Cleveland called Bay Village, but I've never heard of the Boston one.  Since it's so small, converting the article to a redirect or switching it to Bay Village, Ohio would seem to make sense. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:12, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

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Comments
Edited the "Get in" and "See" sections Before I did, they were kind of lacking.(WT-en) Khuryps 20:55, 17 November 2007 (EST)
 * Good. Plunge forward! (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 21:16, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Mission
What happened to the mission that was on the hill? That seems like the obvious question to me, and it should be answered either in the lede or an "Understand" section. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:54, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Good call, thank you for the feedback! --ButteBag (talk) 16:59, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You bet, and thank you for adding all that content! Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:42, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey, should I rename this page to something like Jamaica_Plain-Mission_Hill? --ButteBag (talk) 18:45, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know these neighborhoods. I'd trust your judgment. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:05, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

OtbP or DotM?
This has recently been upgraded to guide, which means it would be eligible to be featured as Destination of the Month or "Off the Beaten Path" according to our criteria. Given that this article only shows 6% content that's the same to its counterpart on that other site (according to Copyscape) despite no intentional effort at SEO edits, I am fairly confident that this article is pretty up to date; furthermore there are no dead links and we have a very active contributor who seems to be from the area. Given all that, are there any things in the way of nominating this for featuring? Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:01, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello! I can add the "Go Next" section. But I need help writing like 40 blurbs for the Do, Buy, Eat, Drink, and Sleep sections. Except for one or two they pretty much all need to be (re)written. Is this something the WV community could assist with? Most of these places have websites and a bunch of reviews online. I can add any stragglers and/or do some light edits to whatever gets added. Thanks! --ButteBag (talk) 15:25, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I will put a pointer to this discussion in the pub Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:19, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
 * ButteBag, it looks like you're hard at work on all the Boston district articles, not just this one. If it's all the same to you folks, I would prefer we hold out and feature Boston itself rather than one of its districts, especially since there's no place for a U.S. destination on the Main Page till 2018 anyway. To answer your question about blurbs: yes, your fellow Wikivoyagers could absolutely help with those. In fact, after having recently wrapped up more than a year's worth of work on a Wikivoyage project of my own, I've now got a lot more room to take on other things and can most likely lend a hand personally in at least a semi-consistent way. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:35, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Whatever you guys think is best. Thank you for the help! --ButteBag (talk) 02:56, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

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''This timeline is interesting but not really part of a travel guide. Someone might want to use it to expand the article.'' - (WT-en) Huttite 18:38, 15 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Mission Hill Timeline

 * 1630 : The first settlers to Roxbury establish John Eliot Square as the town center. Mission Hill is developed as part of the town of Roxbury.
 * 1700-1750 : The Parker Hill area is divided into large estates. The name derives from the property of wealthy merchant John Parker (1757-1840).
 * 1840s : Boston and Providence Railroad stops at Roxbury Crossing, opening up Parker Hill to settlement.
 * 1860 : Irish immigrants begin moving in following the railway, jobs in the mills along Stony Brook (the small river at the base of Parker Hill), and recently laid sewerage lines. The Irish community is a vital piece of Mission Hill over a century, and gradually declines in the last thirty years of the 20th century.
 * 1878 : The Mission Church on Tremont Street is established.
 * 1885-1895 : A housing boom attracts more residents.
 * 1892 : The Blessed Sacrament parish breaks away from the Mission Church on the south side of town around Fisher Avenue.
 * 1893 : The New England Baptist Hospital is constructed. Its founder is Dr. Francis Fremont Whittier (1852-1937).
 * 1899 : School Sisters of Notre Dame open a Catholic grammar school in the Mission Parish. Two thousand children attend.
 * 1900 : The St. Alphonsus Hall has a 1,300 member Athletic Club and 1,142 seat theater.
 * 1914 : The reservoir on the top of Hill is drained and the Robert Breck Brighton Hospital is built on the site.
 * 1920s : Mission Hill acquires its name: a combination of the Mission Church and Parker Hill.
 * 1937 : Local boy, Maurice Tobin, beats James Michael Curley for Mayor. Tobin is later elected Governor, and later as US President Harry Truman's Secretary of Labor. Tobin Bridge named for him after his death.
 * 1940 : The Mission Hill housing project opens on the site of what had been slums. It is the first housing project opened in the United States. Mayor Curley's brother is the first manager of the project. It is intensely political to get an apartment in the prestigious project.
 * 1954 : Pope Pius XII pronounces the Mission Church a basilica and it becomes Basilica of Our Lady of Perpetual Hope, the Mission Church. It becomes known as "The Lourdes in the Land of the Puritans" due to a reputation for healing people.
 * 1958 : The Boston Redevelopment Authority builds high rise apartments, called "Mission Hill Main" housing project, near Huntington Avenue.
 * 1962-68 : The Boston Housing Authority is forced to desegregate its two Mission Hill projects.
 * 1964 : Mission United Neighborhood Improvement Team (MUNIT) holds a rally at the State House protesting the expansion of the Massachusetts Mental Health Center at the expense of 700 residential homes. This is part of the battle by Boston neighborhoods against the Boston Redevelopment Authority's plans for urban renewal. This is the early stage of what will become a two-decade battle for control of Mission Hill between the "institutions" and the working class residents of Mission Hill.
 * 1969 : The Black Panthers, a Black Power movement based in Oakland, CA, establish their Boston base in Mission Hill project. Harvard University students, protesting the Vietnam War, decide to include "No Expansion" by Harvard Medical School into Mission Hill as one of their Strike's demands. The students win their strike, and join with the MUNIT groups over the next several years.
 * 1970-1980 : Lahey Clinic purchases much of the "Backside of Mission Hill and tears down the 3-decker homes. Eventually they decide not to build the Clinic on Mission Hill, choosing Bedford instead. The fight between the community and Lahey catalyzes a group to fight Harvard. Harvard vs. Mission Hill political battle rages over whether Harvard will be able to buy property for a new generating plant on Mission Hill. Eventually the Plant is built. Harvard, however, reaches a compromise on housing which leads to the development of Mission Park on Huntington Avenue, which is owned and run by the "Roxbury Tenants of Harvard."
 * 1970-1983 : Arson wave, some alleged to be set by landlords, leads to about 10% of the housing stock on the Hill itself being burned. After the 1983 Mayor Raymond Flynn is able to quell the arson wave with a new approach to arson prevention. New housing is built on the Back side of Mission Hill where some of the worst fires were, and where the Lahey clinic was to have been. It is built by the Bricklayers Union.

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Talk:Boston/North End

I am an officer of Saint Anthony's Feast in Boston and it is permissable to post the information on your site.

Jason A, Aluia

Merge with Downtown
Hello! I am thinking to merge this article with Boston/Downtown to better adhere to the district structure on the main Boston page. I would just go ahead and do it, but there is a lot of content on this page and it would be great to build consensus. The sooner these articles are merged, the sooner the Downtown article can be cleaned up! Thank you! --ButteBag (talk) 15:49, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe we shouldn't merge? There are SO many tourists here it might be good to keep this page. It is basically like Epcot center from from May-Sept, plus the Downtown page is going to be quite long. Really on the fence about this. Hmmmmm... --ButteBag (talk) 21:50, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Boston Harbor Islands

Plan of Attack
OK, what's a good plan here for listing the islands? There are 34 involved. Six have shuttle access and some anre really peninsulas and are available from the mainland. Do we just list them and do it all on this page... listing the see and do under each island? Where, then would that list go? Replace the See and Do sections or combine? (WT-en) OldPine 16:57, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

How about something like the following, but I'd leave out the islands most people don't go to unless someone has a better idea. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 17:04, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

Island One

 * Attraction one

Island Two

 * Attraction one
 * Attraction two
 * Hmm. That probably works. Truthfully, I don't see there being many "attractions" per se. Maybe an "Other Islands" section to just list them, maybe even horizontally, and indicate that they are not usually visited (or whatever.. guess I need to research this more). (WT-en) OldPine 17:46, 22 August 2006 (EDT)
 * As for the "Do" section I'd make the headers "Swimming", "Fishing" or what have you and then note, which islands are the best ones to go fishing on. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 17:51, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Botswana

Regions
No regions yet for Botswana. Here's a starting point:
 * Eastern Botswana
 * Gaborone Area
 * Kalahari Desert
 * Makgadikgadi Pans
 * Ngamiland / Okavango Delta

These are called districts. Some incudes, South East,Central, Kgalagadi... Donald Ralokwae (talk) 11:28, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article?
I created a new alternative banner for this article (I initially created it first and foremost so that it would be used at the top of the parallel article in the Hebrew edition of Wikivoyage, yet I later decided to also suggest that the English Wikivoyage community would consider using it here as well). So, which banner do you prefer having at the top of this article? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 05:15, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

 * The rock paintings are an unusual subject for a banner, but the picture of elephants has a very good composition. Here's another case in which I'd ask whether the new (or perhaps the old) banner could be used for another article, as we should find room for both, if possible. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:31, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

 * Agree with Ikan. Keep the rocks. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 12:38, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Danapit (talk) 18:40, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * 1, more distinctive Syced (talk) 09:17, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I prefer the new banner as the one currently used is similar to that of Tsodilo (cc @Ikan Kekek). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not identical, and I don't care about the similarity because it's such an unusual subject. I still would like for the elephants to be used in a different article, but not this one. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * But Botswana isn't really known for its rock art to be fair. I often associate Botswana with wildlife, similar to what I do with ZA. I don't think the rock art is even well known – it didn't have an article until 2021/12/04. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:23, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a UNESCO World Heritage Site, and as you said, Botswana shares a draw of wildlife with several other African, and specifically Southern African countries (Namibia, too, for example). Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:18, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Fair point. But perhaps the new banner can be used on Elephants. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:21, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Tough choice. The current banner there is at least as good, but I think it's better we're looking more closely at the elephants. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:32, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Merge all regions
I previously put merge tags on the empty and rather under-developed region articles. However, they were removed with the reason given that I failed to give a reason for adding the merge tags (I thought the reason must've been obvious, but maybe it wasn't). So please, let us have the discussion here. Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:10, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I figured that was your reason for placing the tags, but:
 * Changes to a regional structure are usually discussed first, I don't see why this is different,
 * There's no policy or guidance that I'm aware of that under-developed region articles should be gotten rid of, and
 * Based on my travels there, I think it's reasonable to have subregions.
 * For that last point, I've got a couple of reasons. One, Botswana isn't a small country -- according to Wikipedia, it falls between the Ukraine and Spain in size. There's quite a bit of distance between points. Two, there is diversity, which makes the different parts distinct. The Southeast is the populated area along or close to the Limpopo River and follows the A1 highway corridor. To the north is Chobe, the Okavango and the Makgadikgadi Pans, which is the predominant safari/tourism area. This region is mostly connected by the A3 highway corridor. The last region, Kalahari, is the part of the country covered by the Kalahari desert, and is linked by the A2 highway corridor. Additionally, there are sufficient entry/exit points that you could plan a trip around just one or two of the subregions.
 * I agree the subregions are under-developed and not very useful right now, but it's also a wiki and is usually built in little pieces over time. I don't think the current state of the subregions is a good reason to delete them if they otherwise make sense. -Shaundd (talk) 06:53, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

 * well for the current amount of content the subregions are too much. And in their current state they provide zero information. I did similar stuff with Rwanda and actually got encouragement from other users. If - as it would appear - you know things about the regions, be my guest in adding it to articles and convince me of their worth Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:37, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hobbitschuster, it's not my or anyone else's job to prove an article's worth to you. Our policy is regions are changed by discussion and consensus -- like you did in Rwanda -- and not by putting down merge tags like the discussion is already closed. I personally don't agree with your reasons, but if a consensus emerged that the regions should be done away with, then that's the direction we go. But that discussion should take place.
 * With respect to Rwanda, it's a country of some 26,000 sq km, while Botswana is 581,000 sq km (roughly 21 times bigger), and I suspect Botswana has more tourist infrastructure. It makes sense, to me anyway, that what works for Rwanda may not be the same as Botswana. -Shaundd (talk) 06:36, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Currency, time and spelling conventions
Below is a proposed infobox to let readers know which formatting conventions to use in Wikivoyage articles. Do you agree with these proposals? If you have direct knowledge of what is most commonly used in the country, please let us know. Ground Zero (talk) 12:38, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Moved to the top of this page. Ground Zero (talk) 04:07, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Botswana Cities
Botswana has only two cities Gaborone and Francistown. Some the places on the section are major villages and town... Donald Ralokwae (talk) 11:26, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

 * About "Cities" lists in articles: We don't go by official definitions but also include communities that may be officially called "towns", "villages", even "hamlets". Though if there's a really significant difference that would have an effect on travellers, places that are not officially cities could be put in a different subsection of the "Cities" section. Because the point to consider is where else would they go? "Other destinations" means destinations that are not communities (for example, parks, islands, sometimes archeological sites, or in some countries, huge temple complexes and such). That said, although as many as 9 cities can be listed in the "Cities" sections of country articles, there is no requirement to list that many if that's not helpful to travellers. Do you think travellers would be better served by not listing some of these communities? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:56, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Wrong Map
Good day everyone. After searching for 'Botswana' in Wikivoyage, the map that is shown in the results (uploaded on 2009) is wrong or somehow outdated. The districts are not correctly drawn. Is there a way to change the map?? I've tried but couldn't succeed.Clinton Baikwatlhai (talk) 15:35, 30 January 2022 (UTC)Clinton_B04

 * Why is it wrong? These resgions were made to best benefit visitors rather than following government regions. Tai123.123 (talk) 06:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

 * The relevant guidelines are at The traveller comes first, specifically the following bullet: "Regions, price classifications, etc., are based on the convenience and expectations of travellers, not bureaucratic fiat (administrative districts, formal star ratings and so on)." Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Welcome, @Clinton B04. I think people are uncertain what the problem is. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:14, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Bottineau

Twin Oaks resort. This is not a resort. My wife our daughter 2years old and my parents visiting from Canada went here on July 4th, 2011. We rented a cabin for 3 nights. Upon arrival there was garbage and plastic smoldering in the fire pit in front of the cabin, along with a dead bird that had been ripped to pieces and a half a garbage bag of litter (cigar and cigarette butts, beer cans, beer caps etc.). We went inside and the cabin was filthy, The fridge was disgusting as was the oven. Very poorly stocked cabin, gives bare minimum a new meaning. The carpets were dirty there was layers of dust and dead bugs everywhere. Half the window cranks (to open and close window) were broken. After seeing the state of the cabin my wife checked the linens on the beds. Both bedspreads, sheets, and comforters had nasty stains dirt and grass on them. The bed we picked had some fresh "LOVE STAINS" not to be too graphic. There is no access to the lake from some of these cabins what little access there was had very high boat traffic not ... My wife our daughter 2years old and my parents visiting from Canada went here on July 4th, 2011. We rented a cabin for 3 nights. Upon arrival there was garbage and plastic smoldering in the fire pit in front of the cabin, along with a dead bird that had been ripped to pieces and a half a garbage bag of litter (cigar and cigarette butts, beer cans, beer caps etc.). We went inside and the cabin was filthy, The fridge was disgusting as was the oven. Very poorly stocked cabin, gives bare minimum a new meaning. The carpets were dirty there was layers of dust and dead bugs everywhere. Half the window cranks (to open and close window) were broken. After seeing the state of the cabin my wife checked the linens on the beds. Both bedspreads, sheets, and comforters had nasty stains dirt and grass on them. The bed we picked had some fresh "LOVE STAINS" not to be too graphic. There is no access to the lake from some of these cabins what little access there was had very high boat traffic not safe for kids. When we brought our problems to the attention of the staff we were told that the manager/owner was not around and they had no way to get a hold of him. The maintenance man came down to see if he could "accommodate us in anyway" which was only for show he offered us nothing more than a sorry you feel this way. The next day we went to find the manager/owner who had still not contacted us even though we had left our number at the front desk. After being laughed at for our complaints we packed up and left. I would not recommend this horrible place to anyone. For 150/night i think a clean safe place is not too much to ask for.

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Talk:Bougainville

I am not sure why Bougainville is breadcrumbed as part of the Solomon Islands? I believe it is now officially an autonomous region, but from a travel point of view, it remains for all intents and purposes part of Papua New Guinea, as it was historically before the civil war. I will change the IsPartOf tag to reflect that. If anyone disagrees, please explain why here. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:18, 30 April 2010 (EDT)

No paved roads? Not correct.
As one of the children of a CRA executive, I went to school in Arawa in 1974. There were asphalt roads in and around Arawa through to Panguna and Kieta. Although some of them are in disrepair today, many of them are still there, and are navigable as roads similar to remote country Australia. For verification see - http://www.riverbendnelligen.com/bougainville11.html.

Cheers Mark Vincent.

 * Please do plunge forward and make the necessary edits. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 03:11, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

Bougainville Kina
Should it be specified that the Bougainville Kina isn't a valid currency in Bougainville? Am thinking of adding it after reading this from the Papua New Guinean government. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:23, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

 * As is often the case with disputed territories and secession movements, we need knowledge of the on-the-ground situation, not just the official line. Is the Bougainville kina widely accepted? Or will trying to use it get you dirty looks? Or both depending on location? The article you linked suggests it's somewhere in between, but that's from 2016 which is a long time ago (three years before the referendum). —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:08, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Here is an article from Nov 2020. King Peii II is still around, and the article mentions him printing money to pay his followers, although it does not say if that is still happening. On the basis of this article, I would say that travellers may still, come across Bougainville kina. Ground Zero (talk) 13:21, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Format box
I've added a format box. Does that work out? -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:33, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Boulder

Excellent start! well done. (WT-en) Majnoona

 * I'm wondering if it's anyone we know... Your mom called us, by the way. They saw the article in the NYT. --(WT-en) Evan 17:42, 12 Feb 2004 (EST)

Is there a Traceroute's Favorite? -(WT-en) phma 22:50, 12 Feb 2004 (EST)

 * Wha? --(WT-en) Evan 00:55, 13 Feb 2004 (EST)

 * Not wha, whois. Also netstat and ifconfig. They should have their favorites too. -(WT-en) phma 03:45, 13 Feb 2004 (EST)

 * PIERRE!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I finally figured it out) --(WT-en) Evan 10:28, 13 Feb 2004 (EST)

Pagebanner
The previous image was nice, but the Flatirons are the symbol of Boulder. --Footwarrior (talk) 07:58, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Bourg-Saint-Maurice

Where is this place? It's now an orphan page with no incoming links. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:34, 22 March 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Bourke's Luck Potholes

Merge
Does this really merit its own article? Seems like the useful content might be better off moved to Blyde River Canyon. - (WT-en) Dguillaime 18:09, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Merge it, yes. Then we also have to explain all the items mentioned on the map of the Blyde River Canyon. - (WT-en) Babbelas 02:35, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Bourne

Government material is not copyrighted, correct? The Cape Cod Canal info is from a U.S. Army Corps of Engineers pamphlet. No copyright indicated. Will go back and flesh out the info anyways. (WT-en) OldPine 18:11, 2 June 2006 (EDT)

 * United Stated Federal government material is not copyrighted.... assuming they created it themselves. Sometimes they purchase information from a third party and that could be copyrighted.  If it's on a Federal website and has a copyright, it should be very clearly marked.

 * State and local stuff is almost universally Copyrighted. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:13, 2 June 2006 (EDT)

 * I believe the "Jaspers Too" motel has been torn down, I was driving by yesterday and I saw a pile of heap laying there. Now the roaches have no place to live.

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Talk:Bouvet Island

Wow
This is a fascinating place. I think these teensy islands from the Factbook are the most interesting destinations in Wikivoyage. --(WT-en) Evan 13:10, 8 Feb 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Bovec

links to research canyoning
Include operators names: --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:18, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
 * http://www.bovec.si/en/default.asp?id=1854
 * http://www.slovenia.info/en/naravne-znamenitosti-jame/Su%C5%A1ec-Stream.htm?naravne_znamenitosti_jame=6057&lng=2

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Talk:Bowen Island

Are there places to stay or camping on the island? If not, it might be better off as a Get out daytrip from Vancouver. (See Project:What's an article? for more...). (WT-en) Maj 15:08, 26 December 2006 (EST)

Yeah, there are places to stay and restaurants. I'll add them in the near future (sorry - been busy and forgot I started this page). (WT-en) Shaund 11 January 2006

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Talk:Bowling Green (Kentucky)

Comments
Perhaps the restaurant section should be subdivided, say into sections for local non-chain American-style restaurants, common chain restaurants, ethnic restaurants, perhaps to include Mexican, and East and South Asian restaurants. --David Erbach

 * I'd suggest avoiding chain restaurants altogether, and focusing on the ones that make Bowling Green unique. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 23:45, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Prune listings
Wikivoyage doesn't generally need to list chain restaurants... you'd have to be in a pretty dismal town when a Chick-fil-A or a McDonald's is worth listing in a travel guide as a recommended place to eat. I pruned a couple such places. I'd like to do the same to the hotels (29 listings?!) but I'm not sure which ones to keep, since none of them have any descriptions whatsoever.

In fact, would anyone be opposed to nuking the hotel listings entirely and starting from scratch with places people actually recommend? --(WT-en) BigPeteB 01:47, 13 April 2011 (EDT)

 * I am currently updating the hotel listings to the sleep template standard and will try to bust up the list by price range. Schwaltz (talk) 00:13, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Bowling Green (Missouri)

This article needs disambiguation. There are two other cities named Bowling Green, one in Kentucky and one in Ohio, both considerably larger than the Missouri version.66.217.114.72 00:54, 21 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * Done. --(WT-en) Evan 07:53, 21 Nov 2005 (EST)

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Talk:Bow River Gorge

This is part of Banff National Park, unless it's really it's own destination, I suggest deletion...(WT-en) Majnoona

 * I agree. --(WT-en) Evan 13:38, 14 Jan 2004 (EST)

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Talk:Bozar

VFD Discussion
Not an article. It is a building in Brussels.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:50, 19 March 2010 (EDT)
 * Just Redirect it; no need for a discussion. (WT-en) LtPowers 14:10, 19 March 2010 (EDT)
 * In which case it would be nice if someone actually did the work required to merge the article into Brussels, rather than just talking about it.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:29, 19 March 2010 (EDT)
 * Done. Merged into Brussels.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:41, 19 March 2010 (EDT)
 * Sorry, since you nominated it for deletion, I assumed nothing there was worth keeping. (WT-en) LtPowers 13:54, 20 March 2010 (EDT)

Result: Redirect. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:49, 2 May 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Bozel

This article
Copied from User talk:(WT-en) Goastin, in the hope it may be read here.

 * Thanks for your edits to Bozel. A few important points:
 * When you start a new article you should use a template. In this case the small city template would be the one. This enables all Wikivoyage articles to have more or less the same format.
 * This is English Wikivoyage so all content must be written in English.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 06:24, 18 April 2010 (EDT)

Also, that big message asking you not to upload images here is not a joke. All images must please be uploaded to Wikivoyage shared. The images you have uploaded to English Wiktitravel have been deleted.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 06:35, 18 April 2010 (EDT)

Please also see:
 * here for the way to insert links at Wikivoyage - never frontlink.
 * here for guidance on which external links are permitted. Links to Wikipedia are definitely not necessary and they have been removed at Bozel. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:47, 18 April 2010 (EDT)

 * It is especially bad form to methodically reinstate dreadful formating when another user has taken lots of time putting it right. Add to that the fact that we do not list stationers, real estate agents and various other retail outlets of no interest to the traveler, then I am afraid I have reverted all your edits once again.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 08:15, 20 April 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Bracknell

No content for a page anyone?

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Talk:Bradford

Some of the categories need expanding, as it still resembles a stub. J Thomas

 * Yep, that's what the "outline" status box at the bottom of the article indicates. :) I've restored the standard headers that we use here on Wikivoyage. Take a look at Project:policies and guidelines and Project:Manual of style for more info about content and format for articles. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 08:04, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

Racial tension
Just rolled back an edit saying to avoid muslim areas at night, as I disagree that there is tension or a problem. Anyone else got an opinion? (WT-en) Andyfarrell 18:33, 24 November 2009 (EST)

roll back needed
the page needs a new roll back. Again there is racist stuff in it.

Thornbury, Bradford
Suburb with no useful travel information. Traveler100 (talk) 09:22, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Delete Jjtk (talk) 10:02, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Our policy is to always redirect real places—in this case, it should go to Bradford. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:08, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment, as a person originally based in Thornbury, Gloucestershire, I connected to a another Thornbury in a "twinning" request. If it helps, Wikipedia's "Thornbury" article is a disambigation page. 82.14.248.35 19:23, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Bradford until more knowledge is known. Maybe Bradford tourists can comment. Normsdale (talk) 14:44, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Bradford Pashley (talk) 14:46, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Result: redirected Pashley (talk) 23:46, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Understand
Great improvements to this article. Thanks as ever to Graham for putting the hours in to improve Wikivoyage.

One thing, though: I don't agree with the merging of the Intro and Understand. Understand is an integral part of all Wikivoyage destination articles, and Bradford is hardly a special case. As a result of the merge, the intro is overlong. Ditto for Guernsey, btw. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:02, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Bradford-upon-Avon

Bradford on Avon?
A Wikivoyage has changed the name of this location in the text and Wikipedia also has this location named "Bradford on Avon". Should this article be moved? -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 09:03, 19 March 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Brady (Nebraska)

History lesson
I removed the following from the article, as it is not quite what we're looking for.-- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 01:16, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
 * As a result of the great overland migration across Nebraska, many towns sprang up to serve as way-stations. The building of the railroad brought many more people to the area, as did the freight business development due to the heavy demand for goods and supplies from the east.
 * In the 1860s, when Union Pacific Railroad construction workers in the area numbered nearly 1,000, the town was a collection of tents and soddies along the river, the only water supply. When the construction gangs moved on, Brady Island became a deserted river site, except for G.W. and Sarah Parsons, who lived across the river, and John McCullaugh, Ed Springer, Ben Murphy, Byron Whightmans and Wm.G.I. Craig, who stayed on.
 * There were businesses at this location in the 1880s, but the town was not formally laid out until January 1889. As one of the railroad's pump house sites, early merchants profited from having the trains stop here. Brady Island had the only saloon between Grand Island and Cheyenne for a time. The stockyards, where thousands of head of cattle were brought for shipment, stretched for almost half a mile along the tracks.
 * The first school was formed by chance in 1874 when a group of immigrant families stayed over due to an injury to one of their group. Enlarged several times, the present school was built in 1925. Roy Cochran, graduating in the first class from Brady High School in 1906, became the 24th Governor of Nebraska and served three terms from 1934-40. The present K-12 school district entails a large area, including residents from Jeffery Lake four miles south of town.
 * The first church was built in 1892 at the present location of the United Methodist, with a second church built and enlarged in 1925. Sacred Heart Catholic Church was built in 1910. The Berean Fundamental Church, organized in 1954, dedicated its building in 1967.
 * The town incorporated in 1907, at which time it officially changed its name from Brady Island to "Brady." (It took the railroad until 1955 to paint the "Island" off their depot.) From 1910 on, the town's physical structure took form. There was a weekly paper (in 1880, "The Brady Blade" and in 1908, "Brady Vindicator"), a bank, several grain elevators, the usual assortment of shops, a cream station, a pole and neckyoke factory. Brady also had a good city band and bandstand. Norm Edward, who built the drug store, invented "Vancoa," a medicated salve which helped many people through the influenza epidemic in 1918.
 * Fourth of July celebrations were big affairs in Brady. The Commercial Club sponsored parades, balloon ascensions, and street carnivals on Market Street that brought in as many as 5,000 people. Horse races, rodeos, and baseball were among the early 1900s recreational activities.

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Brampton is the last place in the UK with four digit telephone numbers, (016977) 2000 to (016977) 3999.

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