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Talk:Arizona

Regions
Arizona is too big a state not to be broken into regions, but I have consulted three different sources for "official" regions and found three different opinions as to what they should be. In keeping with the "five to seven bullets" principle, I have created a list of regions that doesn't exactly match most sources, but allows one or two of the regions to be further broken into sub-regions that may match the sources a little better. This isn't entirely satisfying; does anybody want to take a crack at doing it better? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:35, 23 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * I think it is good enough for a start. Often the regional breakdown of an area has more to do with local politics than anything that is logical or matches any other way of breaking down an area of land. You could go be counties, power distribution companies or telephone area codes. However you do it it will not match another way of doing it. At least this way the names are fairly obvious and by the compass, so lower level details can be filled in fairly easily. If someone comes up with a better scheme at least they have somthing to work with, not just a huge disorganised, unsorted list. -- (WT-en) Huttite 21:17, 23 Dec 2005 (EST)

I changed East Arizona to Southeast Arizona and focused on that region's most distinguishing characteristic, its sky islands, because I visit there often and want to write an article or two about the region. "Eastern" Arizona just doesn't quite get at this little corner of the Arizona world. Maybe I might have done better to add Southeast Arizona, but probably if someone wants to write about East Arizona, they'll add it back into the mix. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Gharper (talk • contribs) 7 August 2006
 * Problem is, there's stuff in the southeastern part of the state that isn't in the sky islands. Yes, it's generally unglamorous, but the lowlands are where the lodging is, for example.  It would be better to treat the sky islands as a sub-region of "Southeastern Arizona" to leave room for the other stuff.  (I can also imagine a "Mogollon Rim" sub-region here.) -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 17:06, 15 September 2006 (EDT)

The map of the regions really isn't all that attractive or detailed. Considering how scampy some of the articles are I would like to merge the Western and Southwestern Arizona articles. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) SmellsDystopian (talk • contribs)

 * A lack of content is typically not a good reason to change the regional structure - often this means that people just haven't gotten around to contributing yet. That said, there isn't a Southwestern Arizona region article currently - could you clarify what you meant by that? -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 09:54, 25 December 2010 (EST)

Note on Driving Conditions: This winter I visited Flagstaff and attempted to drive to Phoenix via I-17 during a blizzard. I made it 20 miles and waited over 6 hours until the Arizona Highway Patrol cleared enough road to get everyone back to Flagstaff. I added a note that travelers should be prepared if traveling during bad weather for road closures including interstate highways. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 108.3.216.174 (talk • contribs)

Region names
As discussed in Project:Article naming conventions and more recently in Talk:Ohio, it is generally discouraged to use region names like "North (Foo)" since people don't generally say they are going to "North". Any objection to renaming the Arizona regions to more natural names, such as renaming North (Arizona) to "Northern Arizona"? -- (WT-en) Ryan 16:19, 15 September 2006 (EDT)

 * I don't have strong feelings about this. Arizona is a relatively difficult place to fit into a sensible regional structure, because so much of the state could be described best as "None of the Above" -- which isn't terribly helpful.  The term "Northern Arizona" isn't widely used (as far as I can tell) in the state and nearby, and it seems unlikely that making this change would make information more readily available to most people.  OTOH, it really wouldn't hurt to make it, for the same reasons.  Do what you think makes sense; meanwhile, I'll think about whether a more descriptive, widely-used set of Arizona regions might be created.  Incidentally, the situation is quite different in New Mexico, where I am; here the region names are generally accepted and used, just as they appear in the state's regional structure. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:52, 15 September 2006 (EDT)

 * If the regions are going to need to be re-organized again in the future then it probably doesn't make sense to go through and change things now, only to have to change them again later. I wouldn't be opposed to someone else doing it, but I'd personally rather not do things twice.

 * As to the "North (Arizona)" vs. "Northern Arizona" naming, for me the argument for changing would be to use a name that follows the naming conventions. At present anything in parentheses is supposed to be a disambiguator, which in this case would indicate that the name for the region is "North".  That doesn't make sense, since when I go to the area around Flagstaff I'm not going to "North", I'm going to "Northern Arizona". -- (WT-en) Ryan 17:15, 15 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Point taken regarding the disambiguator, although it's done that way for several other states (and I would fiercely oppose messing with the region names for New Mexico, which is one of them). The North region, whatever you call it, is probably the one in the entire state that is reasonably well defined and unlikely to change much, so if you want to rename that one (and make the necessary changes to descendant nodes), go for it. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 17:40, 15 September 2006 (EDT)

Cities
I was trying to move some of the smaller cities off the main page to region pages, but can't figure out where Prescott & Payson should go. From the map I'm looking at, it doesn't seem like Northern Arizona or Greater Phoenix would cover these towns. Any ideas? -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 15:34, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

 * I think this goes back to the region discussion above. Payson and Prescott are not really in Northern Arizona and certainly not in Greater Phoenix.  The trick seems to be agreeing on a regional structure and, unfortunately, different sources and agencies use different regional breakdowns.  You can see how AOT breaks up the state here.  Perhaps the section should use something similar, but I would like to hear how others feel about the regions. (WT-en) ArizonaTourism 20:08, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

 * So maybe just adding a North Central Arizona region would catch everything that is missing? -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 20:58, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

 * I would agree, that seems to be the missing piece to this region puzzle. -- (WT-en) ArizonaTourism 21:19, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Prescott, I think, fits reasonably into the incipient Western Arizona region; it is more west of the center of the state than north, and in terms of atmosphere, climate, culture, etc., has more in common with points west than the eastern part (or Phoenix, as you point out). Payson is a harder case, and a good example of why I opposed converting the old Eastern Arizona page into the "Southeastern Arizona and Sky Islands" page (SASI) that exists now.  My preferred solution would be to re-create Eastern Arizona as a region, and then have sub-regions of SASI and Mogollon Rim, which would include Payson as well as Show Low, Globe, and so on.  See the earlier discussion at the top of the page.

 * Fact is, there's no regional structure that really works well for a state as large and complex as Arizona. New Mexico, where I've written most of the articles, is much easier due to the significance of the Rio Grande and Sangre de Cristos, and the same kind of geographical focus is one reason to use the Mogollon Rim sub-region (look at how I set up North Central New Mexico).  It's not as simple here, but still strikes me as the way to go. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:48, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

So the new breakdown would be:
 * Greater Phoenix
 * Northern Arizona
 * South Central Arizona
 * Western Arizona
 * Eastern Arizona
 * Southeast Arizona
 * Mogollon Rim

Look good? -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 09:38, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

 * That looks right to me. Subdivision of the Western Arizona region might be called for at some point, but not yet.  Troy?  Your opinion on this is valuable. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 10:33, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

 * I think that looks good as well. However, I would say that the Mogollon Rim would probably make more sense in Eastern Arizona.  See this map  for a visual on location.  (The rim follows the edge of that black line up to around the Grand Canyon)  (Sorry, I see it is under Eastern...disregard)

 * The only other question I would ask is where the Prescott, Cottonwood, Jerome, Sedona area would find within this structure? We talked a bit about Prescott being in western, but due to its proximity to these other cities, plus the way travelers would access this area (from I-17), I am not sure western would be the best spot for Prescott.  So, would those cities go into Northern?  Or should they, along with Payson, Pine, Camp Verde and (possibly) Wickenburg go into a North Central section...similar to the South Central structure?  -- (WT-en) ArizonaTourism 02:08, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Point well taken. I had put Sedona into Northern Arizona, largely on the grounds of its social affinity with Flagstaff as well as the red-rock scenery.  This created a minor "blip" on the geographical description, as Sedona was the only thing in that region extending south of the I-40 corridor, but I think it's probably reasonable.  It would also be reasonable to consider Prescott as "just over the line" in the west -- regions do have boundaries, after all, and something will fall near the boundary.  However, it may be less so if one considers Cottonwood and Jerome to have more affinities with Sedona than with points west.  There's room for discussion on this one.

 * I'd see Payson as definitely in the Mogollon Rim region, even though putting it there may be incorrect from a rigorously geological perspective. It still serves as the "gateway" to Rim country and has a lot in common with the other Rim communities.  Ditto for Camp Verde, which would define the western edge of the region (see previous remark about boundaries).  Haven't thought about the others yet.  Finally, keep in mind that the South Central region really means Tucson and the stuff around it.  There's no comparable focal point for a putative North Central region. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 13:16, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

Nine Cities
For four years now, there have been ten cities listed on this page (before that there were dozens): Flagstaff, Mesa, Phoenix, Prescott, Sedona, Scottsdale, Tempe, Tucson, Winslow, and Yuma. We are long overdue to remove one. Prescott, Scottsdale, Winslow, and Yuma are the main candidates for excising. Winslow is particularly tempting due to the description attached to it: "Pass through, look at the billboard and listen to the Eagles. That is basically it." The only real attractions in the Winslow area are the Meteor Crater and historic Route 66.

While we're at it, shouldn't the Other Destinations list also be pared down?

-- (WT-en) LtPowers 13:15, 22 October 2011 (EDT)

The winslow article isn't that bad anymore. Although Mesa is pretty big, its basically just a suburb of phoenix and I can't imagine anyone visits it unless they are already in Phoenix or Scottsdale so I would choose Mesa as a candidate for removal.Godsendlemiwinks (talk) 02:42, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not a bad article, I'm just not convinced it's a major destination. On top of that, Meteor Crater is already listed under Other Destinations (it's a redirect to Winslow), so I don't think we should have it in both spots.  Mesa may just be a suburb, but it's a fairly well-known name and people might be looking for it.  (Of course, the same goes for Winslow, thanks to the old song...)  LtPowers (talk) 22:32, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Monument Valley banner
The banner for this article depicts Monument Valley. In other words, we could the Monument Valley banner for Arizona and the Arizona banner for Monument Valley and it wouldn't be a problem. Which way around do people think it should be? --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 16:48, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Listings in "See"
At the state level, "See" should have prose descriptions or bullets, and not too many of them (right now, there are too many). It should not have templated listings or markers, because look how cluttered the state map is? Instead, there should be links to the most relevant articles, whether they are park articles, articles for the nearest town or articles for bottom-level regions. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:07, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

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Деление на регионы
Архангельскую область, на мой взгляд, можно разделить на 3 региона: 1) Север Архангельской области, 2) Юг Архангельской области, 3) Новая Земля и Земля Франца Иосифа (они административно относятся к области). Граница между Севером и Югом - чуть южнее Плесецка. (WT-en) Andrey Selskiy 11:14, 15 July 2011 (EDT)

 * Could we discuss this on the Russian page? I believe, it's easier in Russian, but I feel a bit uncomfortable to write in a foreign language here. (WT-en) Atsirlin 11:23, 15 July 2011 (EDT)

In case anyone is interested, I'll translate Andrey's post:

Arkhangelsk Oblast, seems to me, can be divided into three regions: 1) North, 2) South, and 3) Novaya Zemlya and Franz Josef Land. The border between the North and South would be just south of Plesetska.

It's fair to assume that the Russian version will take care of this division before we do, though, so it might be wise to follow their lead. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:19, 15 July 2011 (EDT)

 * As a matter of course, I agree with Atsirlin. I think all communication on WT En should be in English. There are, for example, folks interested in Russian WT matters who do not speak Russian.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:05, 15 July 2011 (EDT)

 * That's clear, but how should we do this technically? We have pretty regular discussions about regions and style in the Russian version. Should we share/translate them here? (WT-en) Atsirlin 04:58, 16 July 2011 (EDT)

 * For the most part, I think it works best for the Russian version to simply plunge forward with these Oblast divisions. The English version is less likely to subdivide them at this point, as the content here is not growing as fast. I think it safe to assume that the English language version will eventually follow the example set by the Russian version for Oblast regions, as they are being done so well. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:32, 16 July 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Arles

Props to the anonymous user who jazzed this article up. (WT-en) Sapphire 21:14, 14 May 2006 (EDT)

Sleep on the streets? Is that allowed?

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Talk:Arlington (Virginia)

Can anyone write or find a brief (3 or 4 paragraph) history of Arlington to include here? 222.212.9.140

Understand section
I removed the following inaccurate (the CIA headquarters is in Langley, not Arlington) and rather rambling paragraph. ''Arlington county consists of many suburban neighborhoods as well as pockets of urban development surrounding Alexandria and the Metro stops along the Orange line. Much of the development of the county was spurred by the massive growth of the Federal Government in the 1950's (the Pentagon and CIA headquarters reside in Arlington) and the continuing growth of private contractors in the region. The suburban areas are diverse as some areas are dominated by pricey homes and high income residents, while other areas are dominated by low-income (mostly immigrant) residents. ''

I'd like to keep the Understand section focused on what makes Arlington unique for travelers. Obvious sociological type comments that some areas have high income residents and some low income residents could describe almost anywhere and don't really add any value for the visitor.

That said, maybe the sections we should focus on now are Sleep, Do, Buy and Drink. Arlington has so much in these areas yet the article lists very little. I think if we beefed up those sections this article would definetly be worthy of guide status, then we could hash out the understand section. (WT-en) SONORAMA 11:36, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

Promotion to Usable
All this needs for Usablecity status is some complete listings for the Eat section and maybe a couple more Sleep. Locals? (WT-en) OldPine 06:53, 31 October 2006 (EST)

Break up
While this is somewhere between a county and a city, it is too dense an area to fit into one article. It should be broken up along the lines of Rosslyn, Crystal City, etc. That could be done as a region page + city articles, but I would prefer to see it done as a city article + districts. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:09, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

 * The problem IMO is that few people look up "Arlington" by itself. Instead they plan to go to Washington DC and work or happenstance directs them to Arlington.  There's not even that much that links to the Arlington page, esp. as compared to the DC page.  (WT-en) SONORAMA 09:57, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

 * True enough—I think the best way to deal with that would be to add more links to Arlington from DC and from Virginia and nearby Virginia articles. And as a matter of fact, having multiple articles within Arlington Co. would mean more links pointing to this (very important) travel destination. I've switched back to treating Arlington as a region (as it is a county, even though it is also a city) and treating its sub-cores as small city articles (since from any perspective other than an administrative one, they are small cities). I don't think I'm leaving anything out:

 * Ballston
 * Clarendon
 * Courthouse
 * Crystal City
 * Pentagon City
 * Rosslyn

 * I don't see any good reason to not do this, but there are several reasons pro: 1) each of these areas could support a well-developed Wikivoyage article; 2) if you visit, they all seem like separate small cities (despite living in the D.C. area for most of my life, I didn't actually realize there was only one city govt administering these areas); 3) sorting listings is very easy, and would make the task of keeping listings properly trimmed more manageable; 4) information about Pentagon City is not relevant for someone basing himself in Clarendon (which has plenty to keep a visitor busy) while visiting D.C. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:58, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

 * Peter, I'm generally not a fan of sub-dividing city articles (it can be hard to navigate across several pages) however what you are proposing makes sense. I'd suggest we get a good clickable map that to break out the different districts.  We should also have a section in the main article that explains who would want to stay in which area (vacationers can stay anywhere near a metro, but military types would want to stay in Crystal City or Pentagon City, State Department types in Ballston or Rosslyn, FDIC in Clarendon, etc.)  I can provide that content and some things about each sub article, however I have had all manner of trouble uploading photos recently so someone else would need to do a map. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) SONORAMA (talk • contribs).

Well, I've delved into both the official and unofficial street boundaries that I could find, and I see that they consider these population cores to be much smaller than I had expected. Accordingly, I combined a few:

 * 1) Rosslyn
 * 2) Pentagon-Crystal City
 * 3) Clarendon-Ballston Corridor (includes Courthouse)

I think these agglomerated cities/neighborhoods will better support articles. I don't know what to do with the leftover areas, which are comparatively suburban and uninteresting. Not to say that there isn't a lot of material there that could support an article—there is. So I have two suggestions: 1) create a catch-all article called Suburban Arlington, which would cover everything not listed above, or 2) leave all information outside the three city articles above in this article. I don't like either option very much, but the former is much more in line with general Wikivoyage policies. (Btw, the map to the right is only a draft for discussion purposes—I can make that much prettier and more of the Wikivoyage-style later.) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:07, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

 * I confess I've rather lost interest in this, and am beginning to see how the guide could work as a single article. A map, I think, would still be useful for navigating the various "neighborhoods." I'm going to try and spruce this article up in the near future. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:41, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Break up 2014
I think I might have a solution for the Suburban Arlington problem: make the two regions North and South Arlington. North and South Arlington are two of the county's locally-recognized sections (the other is Alexandria). Clarendon-Ballston Corridor is entirely in the North, and Pentagon-Crystal City is mostly in the South, the definition of "South Arlington" is lose enough that we can put it entirely in the south. The border between the North and South is (for the most part) Arlington Boulevard (US 50). Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 17:47, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

 * That doesn't quite solve the problem tough, Rosslyn and the Clarendon-Ballston Corridor are both in North Arlington. We could accept covering them both in the same region, or make Rosslyn it's own region separate from North Arlington. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 07:21, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Break up 2017
Well, it looks like there's been consensus to districtify this article for about eight years now, but no one has actually done it! I think the "suburban Arlington" problem is solved by splitting it into two districts: "Central Arlington" south of the Rosslyn–Ballston corridor, and "Far North" north of it. The two sections have very different characters and work well as their own districts. So I suggest the following breakdown: Thoughts? Antony-22 (talk) 06:53, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Arlington (Virginia)/Rosslyn–Ballston Corridor
 * Arlington (Virginia)/Crystal City (including Pentagon City and Aurora Highlands/Arlington Ridge)
 * Arlington National Cemetery and nearby points of interest, including the Pentagon
 * Arlington (Virginia)/Central (including Columbia Pike and Shirlington) Arlington (Virginia)/Southwest
 * Arlington (Virginia)/Far North
 * At least finish the job. --Traveler100 (talk) 19:14, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * This article isn't super-long, though there are a lot of hotels. Would there be enough content in all those articles? Is there more stuff to add? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:57, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * They all would have enough; Far North would be the only thin one. I can add a lot of items to Crystal City and Central Arlington. Antony-22 (talk) 17:56, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That's cool, then. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:08, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The main city article should have some useful text in the See and Do sections. --Traveler100 (talk) 19:11, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Please get the district articles to some state above outline. Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:03, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Why was the map removed? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 09:34, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

 * You guys have done some good work splinting this city up into districts. I'd like your opinion on the Fairfax County article. Ikan and I were talking at Talk:Northern Virginia, and we realized that Fairfax County had too many cities for a single region. Our quick fix was to subdivide the "Cities" section of that article, separating the cities inside and outside the beltway. I'd like you guys to look over the FF county article, see what you think should be done. Should our quick fix be our permanent solution? Should FF County be split into two or more regions? Or do you have some other idea? Please respond at Talk:Northern Virginia. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 11:18, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Inside the Beltway" area
One possibility would be having an article for the "Inside the Beltway" area. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 06:58, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Are you proposing that as an extraregion article? Do you think one is needed? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:02, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Not necessarily. At this point, I'm just throwing an idea out there (I'm not saying it's necessarily a good idea). I suppose my line of thinking is that Beltway is a natural border, a divider between one area and another. Whereas the city limits (well, county limits) of Arlington are pretty artificial, and probably less meaningful to the tourist. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 07:40, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Is Arlington a city?
I disagree with this edit. Wikivoyage is written from a traveler's point of view, not from a legal point of view. Everyone calls Arlington a city, everyone think of it as a city, and that's really what it is. I think calling it an "urban county" is just going to confuse the reader, that's not exactly a common term. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 10:28, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree; we use "city" colloquially here. The clarification that it's technically an "urban county" should be secondary to simply describing what the average traveler would identify it as. Powers (talk) 21:24, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Who is "everybody" exactly? It's not about legal definitions, but referring to something clearly known as "Arlington County" as a city is going to introduce confusion. Call it what it is, a county. It isn't necessary or desirable to elaborate; the scope of a county will be understandable to any traveler to the U.S. "Urban county" is neither here nor there, as most populous counties have "urbanized" areas.-Choster (talk) 03:06, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I think it's known as "Arlington" much more commonly then it's known as "Arlington County". At least, outside of legal contexts. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 03:18, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * A Google search for "Arlington, Virginia" (with quotes) has 6,210,000 results, but "Arlington County, Virginia" has only 341,000 results. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 03:26, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't see what that has to do with anything. The US Postal Service will deliver mail addressed to "Rosslyn, Virginia" but that doesn't mean we should refer to Rosslyn as a "city," even if it's the most "urban" part of Arlington. We should call it Arlington. The article should be named Arlington. But we shouldn't say "Arlington is a city," because it's ambiguous when we can say "Arlington is a county" with a comparable level of comprehension to anyone traveling in the United States.-Choster (talk) 02:09, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Whether Arlington is a city or a county may be relevant for Wikipedia's purposes, but nitpicky differences like that have little relevance from the traveller's point of view. Regardless of the official terminology, Arlington is far more akin to what people think of as a city, so that's the word we use. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:40, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

 * You said that it's "clearly known as 'Arlington County'". I'm making the case that it's not known as "Arlington County", outside of legal and technical contexts. But more to the point: Counties in America are referred to as "[Name] County, [State]", not "[Name], [State]". Calling it "Arlington, Virginia" implies that it's a city.

 * Plus there are quite a few American cities that are technically counties (such as New Orleans and San Francisco), so Arlington isn't really unique in that regard. The Census Bureau classifies Arlington as a census-designated place, and that's a category they give to unincorporated cities, not counties. And I could probably find a ton of maps that show Arlington as a city.

 * I don't agree that any traveler to the US would know what a county is. But for those who would: A county is a collection or towns or cities, with some rural or suburban areas. That's not what Arlington is. Arlington isn't divided into cities and towns, it's divided into neighborhoods (like a city). There is no city in Arlington, other then Arlington itself. Remember, Arlington is the second-smallest county in America (it's even smaller then the other cities that are technically counties).

 * My point is: I really don't think there should be any probation on calling Arlington a city. I think calling it a city is less confusing then calling it a county. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 11:11, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

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Undo districts?
Right now, I don't think the districts are really helping the traveler. All districts but Crystal City and Rosslyn–Ballston Corridor are outlines, and the two usable articles are not even that long, while the two outline articles are only a little more than a skeleton. I personally think Special:PermaLink/3188279 is more useful to travelers as most district articles only contain a few see listings. Arlington National Cemetery can probably stay as a park article. After all, Arlington only has a population of 250k, and the only other article that I'm aware of that has districts with a similar population is Buffalo.

If there's objection to undistricting Arlington, at least, the Far North and Southwest pages should be merged. They only contain 18 listings combined, and are a little more than an outline. So to summarize, here are the few options to deal with the districts:
 * 1) Do nothing
 * 2) Merge Far North and Southwest into Suburban Arlington
 * 3) Merge all districts back leaving Arlington National Cemetery alone as a park article
 * 4) Merge all districts back, including Arlington National Cemetery

Other comments? -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:57, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

 * I'm torn because it looks like merging everything would create a pretty long article. I think if we're going to do that, leaving Arlington National Cemetery as a park article could be a good solution. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:18, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

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Armadale SYHA Hostel
Hasn't this closed? It's not on the SYHA website that has now been linked. (WT-en) Jamesbrownontheroad 05:20, 9 February 2009 (EST)

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Talk:Armenia

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Armenia/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.

Research Links

 * http://www.cilicia.com
 * http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=Rediscovering_Armenia_Guidebook-_Introduction -- many facts that we may be willing to have here. Not sure about compatibility of their license with ours, though. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 15:39, 27 February 2007 (EST)

Talk Link
Guys, I don't think that we should link to a commercial site for a book, right?

Armenia Regions
Some Armenian made stubs of all the marzer, putting them at the name without "marz" (e.g. Lori Marz is at Lori). Should they be moved? Do we need marz articles, or should we have larger regions? -(WT-en) phma 10:18, 21 Jul 2004 (EDT)

Here's my idea for a Regions Hierarchy for Armenia:

 * Central Armenia/Yerevan Region
 * Armavir
 * Aragatsotn
 * Kotayk
 * Ararat Marz
 * Yerevan
 * Lake Sevan Region
 * Gegharkunik
 * Northern Armenia
 * Shirak
 * Lori
 * Tavush
 * Southern Armenia
 * Vayots Dzor
 * Syunik
 * Nagorno-Karabakh

I think we should change the Marz articles into redirects to the new traveler-oriented regions. The one thing I feel less confident about is where to put the Aragatsotn content. It could fit as easily into Northern Armenia as Central Armenia. Or it could have some claim to be its own region I suppose. I will upload a regions map shortly to illustrate, and I'll wait a bit to see if other editors have input. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 22:02, 29 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Well, it appears I'm the only person watching this page, so I'll just plunge forward and arrange this my way. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:40, 14 June 2007 (EDT)

 * A bit late, but it is a very solid breakdown of the country. I would have personally done it slightly different - I'd move Shirak out of Northern and into a Northwestern along with Aragatsotn and Armavir, then move Sevan into Central.  My main reason is that people get to Shirak via Aragatsotn, and combine the sites along the way into one - whereas Shirak is almost never visited via Lori Marz.  Sevan, which has comparatively little to see, and that is mostly near the NW corner of it anyway, could be lumped in with Central...  (WT-en) Raffikojian 22:13, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

 * Anyone mind if I make that change in regions? I don't think it will be too hard to make - so if I have the time I think it would be nice to reorganize sooner rather than later.  (WT-en) Raffikojian 16:20, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

Respect section
This section currently seems to assume that the reader is an "ordinary American", this should probably be changed.
 * I edited down the sentence, which was awkward anyway, but in the future feel free to plunge forward and edit the text yourself. Thanks (WT-en) Maj 08:56, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

Stay Safe Section
There seems to be a strong desire to portray Armenia as a very safe country and the US Embassy is part of this. In reality its nothing like as safe as people might like to think or hope. both the EU office and the Embassy warn of the dangers from muggings and also scams involving ATM machines where you enter your PIN etc but the money does not appear.

 * If you can fix it without complaining about propaganda or introducing first-person experiences, that would help -- (WT-en) Colin 10:52, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

 * I know you will claim I am biased, but I've actually LIVED there the last ten years, and met countless travelers and expats. Yerevan is a small town, and gossip - especially something like you're describing travels VERY VERY fast.  In all those years, I cannot recount more than 2 instances in which a foreigner was attempted to be robbed walking the streets - one of which was unsuccessful. So even if my memory is very faulty, I think it is safe to say your experience was exceptionally rare, and there is no big conspiracy theory at work.  It IS a very safe country.  Period.  If that begins to change, it will change, but for now at least, it is true and your crusade to portray it is very dangerous doesn't make sense.  How many others have reported this?  Who is ignoring them?  The police confusion, I suspect, is because they'd never been called for such a thing.  It IS a safe city.  (WT-en) Raffikojian 17:32, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Trans-Caucasus Itinerary
I am interested in assisting in creating a 12-15 day trans-Caucasus itinerary with Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Armenia. Would anyone be interested in assisting me with this? (WT-en) Cupcakecommander 02:47, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

"The Well Known ATM Scams" ?
Can those who state that there are "well known ATM scams" provide some prooflinks of this "well known" facts? I've graduated University with degree in ICT in Banks and Finances, with many of my classmates working in Banks, and especialy in ArCa (Armenian Card) system which is used by local banks for providing Visa, MasterCard services and I've never heard of issues. Google also brings only Wikivoyage when you search for "Yerevan ATM scam". If such problem would exist, it would also affect MasterCards. And as that sentences concetrate on "Visa cards" I suppose, it was someone's bad experience, which he thinks or tries to present is a general issue. All ATM's in Armenia are equiped with cameras, which should fix at least 3 moments, when you come close to ATM, when you put in your card, and when you take out the money. So it's also easy to check if there was a problem. --(WT-en) Xelgen 10:50, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

 * I have been living in USA for several years now.
 * I came to realize that Yerevan is one of the safest places in the globe.
 * Now about ATM scams. Anywhere in the world card users info are at risk but again in Armenia there are 1000 times more safe than in USA or EU. No one`s identity has been compromised in Armenia.

 * As of five years ago, the U.S. State Dept. singled out Yerevan as a place where the danger of ATM scams was especially high. I have no idea whatsoever whether that's still true. I found it indeed a very safe city—except for crossing the street ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:47, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

"Sleep" Section
How do you all feel about the mention of specific hotels at the national level? I generally delete all such listings. The only reason I'm reluctant to summarily delete them all in this case is that considerable effort has gone into a coherent and informative overview. However, I think it's a slippery slope, and that no specific names of sleeping accommodations should be mentioned at this level. What do you all think? (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 06:23, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
 * The prose is a good start for the Sleep section of this country. But indeed, specific names of hotel listings should go. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 07:00, 28 October 2011 (EDT)

Governmental system of Armenia
Is a country with contested elections indeed accurately described as a "Dictatorship"? I believe we have some polemical or perhaps nationalistically biased editing here. It seems much more accurate to describe Armenia as a troubled democracy than an actual dictatorship, and "Republic" is a reasonable short-hand, given that a long explanation of recent history is beyond the scope of an information box. Explain your edits, please, or give up. Also, if you think it's important to add some recent history of political conflict within Armenia, go ahead and insert it in the "Understand" section. Thanks. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 15:27, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

Previous banner
--Nick talk 23:31, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

More banners

 * They're all good, but I think the 2nd one wins, and I'd rate them in order of decreasing quality: 2, 3, 1. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:58, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Same with me. All are good, but I think the middle one is best. AHeneen (talk) 04:59, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Wording of the genocide paragraph
I just reverted an IP's change in the wording of the Armenian genocide with the request to establish a consensus first, see this diff While I have no objections to a rewording and some expansion in on the topic, I don't read a denial in the current paragraph. The remark that Turkey denies the genocide and that this is a reason for lasting hostility, is merely informative, imho. The fact that the edit summary states it is a denial (and that the existing paragraph is biased), raises concerns. The fact that this is very political matter should encourage some consensus before dismissing the existing text as biased. I would like to hear some more opinions. JuliasTravels (talk) 21:19, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I thought that was a strange remark in the edit summary. That said, if the IP user's version is more accurate, I'd be happy to go with it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:40, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

 * I don't think the version is inaccurate. I do wonder, however, if the more direct and detailed definition of the genocide and how it was conducted is more helpful for travel purposes. I don't mind some more background, but the original info seems to give a bit more insight in the political background, which I think is useful when travelling in the region. JuliasTravels (talk) 09:49, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

 * That sounds like it calls for a combination of the two versions. I thought the edit was very clear, and I learned something by reading it. I knew something about the methods of genocide because I have a friend whose grandfather was marched into the Syrian Desert and managed to survive long enough to get to Jerusalem, but I didn't know all those details. It's not super-long, either. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:25, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

 * It is, however, a direct copy of (parts of) the Wikipedia article. If you're willing to rephrase it to include the extra information, I have no objections. JuliasTravels (talk) 11:15, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

 * I really don't have the time right now, nor really the inclination, but ideally, it sounds like that would be the best of both worlds, if we can properly use such an expression when discussing a horrific genocide. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:18, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Correct currency indicator
Dear all, considering Yerevan got 39 "AMD" and only 17 "dram", I assume we use "AMD" as currency indicator. Hence, I will plunge forward and align all mentioning of prices in the way of AMD55.66 and thus also convert "xx.x dram" to "AMDxx.x". Cheers Ceever (talk) 22:54, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hold on. This is something on which it would be good to have a discussion. WV:$ provides this advice:
 * "The three letter ISO 4217 currency codes, like "PHP" for the peso or "USD" for the US dollar, should always be mentioned in the "Money" section of a country article since travellers may need them for doing funds transfers or for checking exchange rates online. In general they should not be used either in listings or in text, but exceptions can be made as needed to avoid ambiguity."
 * The symbol, Դ, could cause display problems, as we found out at Talk:Bangladesh. In other cases where the currency name is shorts like the Thai baht, our policy is to use the full name of the currency. I think "dram" is short as unambiguous enough to use on its own. Ground Zero (talk) 18:12, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I have posted a notice requesting input from others at Requests for comment. Ground Zero (talk)
 * Ok, AMD seems not preferable. Though, I am in favour of Դ, due to its shortness. I have seen it in Armenia very often times, and kind of remember they even sometimes use the world "dollar" instead of "dram". But I can ask again, I am in contact with someone from tourism. And even if it doesn't display right, it seems pretty obvious what it means. We also use ₩, ₪ and ₹ ... so no reason to stop now. Ceever (talk) 14:05, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * This is a dilemma: Դ would be the best to use if that is what travellers will see in Armenia, but not the best if they can't see it on their mobiles. I'll ask in the pub if someone knows about this, or if anyone is aware of problems with Դ. Ground Zero (talk) 20:31, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * No-one there seems to have any problems with Դ, but let's give it a few more days before we start changing over. Ground Zero (talk) 19:21, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

I've made the change at WV:$ to designate Դ as the preferred symbol for the dram. Ground Zero (talk) 12:20, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I am still awaiting feedback from some Armenians on that subject, so please all be cautious on a general overhaul. Sorry. Ceever (talk) 13:11, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'll hold off. I have also found a key for ֏ in the box at the bottom of the edit page, which is very useful. Ground Zero (talk) 13:14, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * One answer so far (from TripAdvisor): "The right way is 5500 AMD (armenian dram ), in oral spech we say 5500 drams in english ! We never say dollars meaning our dram :)" Ceever (talk) 20:47, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

 * So, one more answer: "and yes, we say xxx dram. [...] Best Regards [...] Chair, State Tourism Committee of Armenia" Sorry for the long wait. So, I guess we must go ahead with dram. I will take care of it in the coming days. Thanks for the patience, Ceever (talk) 08:21, 25 September 2017 (UTC) Ceever (talk) 08:21, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for following up on this. I'm on the road now, so may not have much time for editing, but will come back to this when I have time. Cheers. Ground Zero (talk) 08:48, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Getting in: Russian Visa
I can't find any sources to prove that Armenian visas are valid for Russia. Does anybody else have any more info? Or should this paragraph be removed? --JosephDB (talk) 16:17, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

 * Sounds rather unlikely, it's not mentioned in Russia. And supposedly to "facilitate land transit to visitors" when the countries don't even share a land border... I'd say remove it. Ypsilon (talk) 16:58, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * : Will remove. Couldn't find anything on it on the Russian Embassy websites, Armenian Embassy, or any other website. --JosephDB (talk) 18:26, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Recent edits October 2023
The recent edits by RaffiKojian seem problematic. I have done some clean-up, but e.g. the changes about the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict remain. The section needed updating, but I am not sure that the new version is fair. I think it needs some more eyes. –LPfi (talk) 12:56, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Armenia (Colombia)

Uh, I'm a little confused by this article's being in Spanish and the disclaimer at the top. Was this discussed somewhere that I missed? I think the proper course of action is to copy the Spanish content to the talk page and/or the Spanish version of Wikivoyage until the translation is complete. (WT-en) Maj
 * For reference the Spanish article doesn't have any text, so this would be a great start over there. (WT-en) Maj 12:47, 31 December 2006 (EST)

 * I've copied the text to ES and replaced it with a blank template here. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 22:48, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

 * It's now also gone over there !! - (WT-en) Ronald 11:24, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Armenian phrasebook

Is the (Eastern) qualifier really necessary?
The article states that Eastern Armenian is the official dialect, and the only dialect spoken within Armenia itself. The Western dialect is spoken by the Armenian diaspora, presumably in countries where it is an unofficial/minority language and thus not strictly necessary for travellers to learn. The parenthetical disambiguator makes the article title awkward. I propose this page be renamed to simply "Armenian phrasebook". -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:03, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Complicated .. reading Wikipedia it seems Western Armenian is called that not because it is spoken by the diaspora in the West, but because it was the dialect spoken in what was then 'Western Armenia' before the genocide.
 * I'd say it is OK to remove the word 'Eastern' from the title, whilst keeping the explanations of 'Eastern Armenia' in the article itself. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:39, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

 * Me too. I think this is analogue with Saami phrasebook, which is about Northern Sami, the most common of the Sami languages. We will probably never have a phrasebook for Western Armenian, and if we will, we can change title then. We should be clear about the distinction in the lead, but handling it in the title is not necessary.--LPfi (talk) 11:32, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

 * Support for shortening the name. ϒpsilon (talk) 21:30, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

 * As far as I'm aware, the differences between the Armenian dialects are limited to some regular sound changes (such as t → d and k → g) and they are mutually intelligible with each other, so I support renaming this to Armenian phrasebook. That this phrasebook is based on the eastern dialect is already mentioned clearly in the introduction. Vidimian (talk) 10:00, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

 * Yes, simplify the title; we need only one phrasebook for the language. Leave it to Armenian speakers to decide to what extent, if any, dialect differences need to be dealt with.

 * There is a substantial Armenian community in Isfahan; one of the Shahs a few centuries back moved them to his capital, I think to reduce the chance of them making trouble on his borders. What dialect do they speak? Are there clumps of Armenians elsewhere? Pashley (talk) 04:51, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Expanding the phrasebook
I translated it in Italian but many phrases present in Italian template are absent here: if someone here speaks Armenian I can help translating to English some phrases part of the Italian template and he/she can attach the translation in Armenian (that, in case, I will copy in Italin phrasebook). --Gce (talk) 22:26, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Armutlu

Vfd discussion

 * Delete. Not much content. And where is it? A surch on wikipedia gave six results, two in Armenia, two in Azerbaijan and two in Turkey. (WT-en) ViMy 20:39, 30 January 2009 (EST)
 * Disambiguation Page! if there are 6 places. This is a lost child - as in where in the world is Armutlu
 * Keep. This Armutlu, I suppose, is a real town in Marmara Region, Turkey, (Wikipedia article here) since it's indicated that it's a peninsula (the name of the peninsula is not really Armutlu as far as I know, but I can't recall its name at the moment, but this town indeed lies on a peninsula), and that it's an "official ecologic (sic) region" in the "article". Well, it seems it has really been declared an "ecological tourism and organic agriculture development area blah blah" by Yalova Governorate - and yes, with its five villages as the "article" implies. (source in Turkish here, sorry for not linking to an English source, as I could not find any decent one). And I don't think this really should be a disambiguation page until there exists a Wikivoyage article for any of other Armutlus, upon creation of which the would-be content on this page can be removed to Armutlu (Turkey) or Armutlu (Yalova) or Armutlu (Marmara) or whatever.--(WT-en) Vidimian 05:23, 6 February 2009 (EST) The article for sure should be formatted according to the MoS by the way.--(WT-en) Vidimian 05:25, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * I change my vote to Keep. (WT-en) Vidimian do you know enough about this region to put some more content in this article? Anything would be nice! But I think we need a Disambiguation Page since there are many places with this name. To avoid confusion. (WT-en) ViMy 08:21, 11 February 2009 (EST)
 * I am afraid I don't know much about there since I have never been to. But I know some people who've been there, so I think I can at least write some stuff about how to get there, and I know there are some hot springs there, so that can be mentioned at 'do'. And if we're going to have a disambiguation page, how shall we disambiguate two Armutlus in Turkey? By region name (i.e. Armutlu (Marmara)) or province name (i.e. Armutlu (Yalova))?--(WT-en) Vidimian 08:31, 11 February 2009 (EST)
 * Not sure. What would be most recognicable for a traveler? Perhaps region name? Or maybe both. The article would be named Armutlu (Marmara). But on the Disambiguation Page, also the province name would be mentioned. (WT-en) ViMy 11:51, 13 February 2009 (EST)
 * So I've plunged forward and made Armutlu a disambiguation page based on Wikipedia's disambiguation page. I'll also write a bit on Armutlu (Marmara) soon. I'm copying this discussion to Talk:Armutlu.--(WT-en) Vidimian 07:35, 14 February 2009 (EST)

Outcome: Disambiguation page + Armutlu (Marmara) created.

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Talk:Army of Terracotta Warriors

I think this should be merged back into Xian — it's not complex enough to warrant its own article. (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:28, 19 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * Done. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:29, 15 May 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:Arnhem

NATO Taptoe 1964 and later commemorative tattoo international band festival

title: Talk:Arnhem


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Talk:Arnhem land

Permission
In regards to all Northern Territory information I have added, you may notice that some of the text I am adding appears in another website eg travelnt.com, that is because I am the original author. --Lex 11:39, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Around Leh

Move to Leh - ?

 * Either that, or turned into a region page with a more sensible name. I know nothing about the area though. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:48, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)
 * I had thought of making a Indus Valey section but it doesn't work well because then Dha to Khalsi would need to be included and not only is the indus vally beyond Khalsi too far for a daytrip but foreners need a police permit to go there because it's getting close to the LoC. So I don't see why the name is not sensible. It is a coherent region, both from a travelers point of view (making good day trips from Leh) and to a less extent cultrally as it's the Ladakhi hartland, more densely populated and with better transportation links.  Perhaps it could be moved to the Leh page if it doesn't grow big enough to deserve it's own page, but it still needs it's own section, Get_out is surely for transportation and not for sights in the area.(WT-en) Keithonearth 07:46, 9 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * There's actually some debate about what "Get out" is supposed to contain, but the one thing that's generally agreed on is that it should contain pointers elsewhere, not full-scale entries with accommodation listings and whatnot.

 * Wikipedia tells me Leh is the largest city on Ladakh, would that make a sensible region page or is it too large? (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:01, 11 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Problem solved. Leh is also a district within the Ladakh autonomous region, (Kargil being the other) and the town of Leh is the headquarters of this district., So we just split it into Leh (district) and Leh (city). The homepage of Leh district also gives a map splitting the district into some sort of regions, most probably "blocks"  which might be helpful if we want to do individual article pages. But I think that one Leh district page should suffice as the end point for most stuff that comes here. --(WT-en) Ravikiran 12:57, 11 Dec 2005 (EST)

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Talk:Aruba

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Aruba/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.

I wish there was some info on which types of cell phones work in Aruba. Anyone have this info?

Restaurant list
Egads. Anybody want to take a stab at that ridiculously long list of restaurants? (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:34, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Sleep
Most of the write-ups for hotels/resorts heavily smack of "business PR". If you have stayed at any listed, please re-write its entry for objectivity.

Listings
I suspect the tourism board has been at work :). Apart from anything else, all listings for Eat, Drink and Sleep should be moved out of this article into the relevant city article. Long job for somebody..... --(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:02, 20 January 2010 (EST)

 * Can't we just move them to the Talk page and get rid of them? I really don't see the value of these tourism board dumps. Thailand is completely overfilled with them, but does it really add something to the travel guide we want to create? It's just listings, but no real experience from travelers themselves. If travelers want listings from the tourist authority, they might as well just go or inform there. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 07:11, 20 January 2010 (EST)

 * And here they are:) --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:06, 20 January 2010 (EST)

Full compiled list of restaurants on Aruba
Aquarius, L.G. Smith Boulevard 82, Oranjestad, +297-583-6000

Fishes and More, J.E. Irausquin Blvd 370, Palm Beach, +297-586-3659,

Flying Fishbone, Savaneta # 344, Savaneta, +297-584-2506, +297-584-9018,

L.G. Smith's Chop & Steakhouse, L.G. Smith Boulevard 82, Oranjestad, +297-583-6000, Ext: 6195,

B55, Balashi 55, Balashi,+297 5852111, 5931476,

Ambianz, L.G. Smith Boulevard 1, +297 583 9420

Pam Pam, Boegoeroei 11 Z (located at Perle d'or), +297 587 7710

Marandi, Bucutiweg 50, Bucuti, +297 582 0157, +297 582 0166

Gambero Rosso, Weststraat 2 (Marina Azul Mall), Oranjestad, +297 582 3007, +297 585 3727

Rumba Bar & Grill, Havenstraat 4 (Aventura Mall, behind the Renaissance Hotel), Oranjestad, +297 5887900, [http:/www.rumba-aruba.com/]

Sushi - Ya, Renaissance Marketplace - Oranjestad & PLaya Linda Resort - Highrise, +297 583 9982, +297 585 1680

Chalet Suisse Restaurant, J.E. Irausquin Blvd 246 (Eagle Beach), +297 587 5054, +297 587 0349

Alfredo's, Sasakiweg z/n (Adventure Golf Complex), Oranjestad, +297-5876625, +297-5876645,

Amazônia Churrascaria, J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 374, Palm Beach, +297-5864444, +297-5864600,

Aqua Grill, J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 374, Palm Beach, +297-5865900, +297-5865901,

Bella Luna, Palm Beach 21-A, Palm Beach, +297-5860644, +297-5860220,

Benihana, Sasakiweg z.n. P.O. Box 695, Palm Beach, +297-5866789, +297-5826794,

Buccaneer, Gasparito 11-C, Noord, +297-5866172, +297-5831077,

Café & Restaurant bingo, Palm Beach 6D, +297-5862818, +297-5862817

Café The Paddock, L.G. Smith Boulevard 13, Oranjestad, +297-5832334,

Café The Plaza, L.G. Smith Boulervard 9, Oranjestad, +297-5838826, +297-5820842,

Café Twister, Dominicanessenstraat 10, +297-5839077

Canton Tea House, Bushiri 23, +297-5826688

Captain's Corner, Palm Beach 6-D, +297-5861991, +297-5863376

Captain's Table, La Cabana Resort, +297-5879000, +297-5877208

Carlos 'n Charlie's, Weststraat 3A, Oranjestad, +297-5820355, +297-5820275

Casa Tua, J. E. Irausquin Blvd.(Arawak Gardens), Palm Beach, +297-586 8470,+297,

Chalet Suisse, J. E. Irausquin Boulevard 246, +297-5875054, +297-5870349

Charlie's Bar & Restaurant, B. v/d V. Zeppenfeldstraat 56, San Nicolas, +297-5845086

Matilde, Havenstraat 23, Oranjestad, +297-5839200, +297-5835500,

Cleo's Sports Grill (Alhambra Bazaar), J. E. Irausquin Boulevard 47, +297-5835000, +297-5834230

Costariba, St. Cristoffelbergweg 9, +297-5844088, +297-5845828

Cuba's Cookin', Wilhelminastraat 27, Oranjestad, +297-5880627, +297-5824940,

Driftwood, Klipstraat 12, Oranjestad, +297-5832515, +297-5872321

El Chalan, Caya Betico Croes 152, +297-5827591, +297-5827591

El Gaucho, Wilhelminastraat 80, Oranjestad, +297-5823677, +297-5830123,

El Fogón, San Barbola 5, +297-5825224

Flamboyant, Bushiri Beach Resort, +297-5825216

Frangipani Coffee Shop, Costa Linda Beach Resort, +297-5838000

French Steakhouse, J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 55 (Manchebo Beach Resort), Eagle, +297-5823444, +297-5833667,

Gasparito, Gasparito 3, +297-5867044, +297-5867144

Hooters, J E Irausquin Blvd 370 A, Palm Beach, +297-5868060, +297-5846885,

Hostaria da Vittorio, L.G. Smith Blvd. 380, Palm Beach, +297-5863838, +297-5866338,

Iguana Joe's Caribbean Bar & Grill, Royal Plaza Mall/L.G. Smith Boulevard 101/102, +297-5839373

Kowloon, Emmastraat 11, +297-5824950, +297-5834023

La Dolce Vita Ristorante Italiano, Sasakiweg 46, Eagle, +297-5885592, +297-5885593,

La Nueva Marina Pirata, Balashi Z/N, +297-5857150, +297-5836078

La Trattoria El Faro Blanco, Westpunt (The California Lighthouse), +297-5860786, +297-5860788

La Vista, Aruba Marriott Resort, +297-5869000, +297-5860649

Le Dôme, Irausquin Blvd. 224, Eagle, +297-5871517, +297-5874822,

Le Petit Cafe, JE Irausquin Boulevard Z/N, +297-5874620, +297-5826577,

Mido, Dwarsstraat 5, +297-5822134

Oriental Bar & Restaurant, Zoutmanstraat 5, +297-5821008

Papiamento, Washington 61, +297-5864544, +297-5861505

Pega Pega, Manchebo Beach Resort, +297-5823444

Peking (San Nicolas), Caya Jose Geerman 78, +297-5841900

Peking, Santa Cruz 324, +297-5851372

Que Pasa?, Wilhelminastraat 18, +297-5834888, +297-5834443

Salt & Pepper, J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 370, Palm Beach, +297-5863280, +297-5862941,

Sbarro, Seaport Market/L.G. Smith Blvd. 9, Oranjestad, +297-5836055, +297-5836044

Scandals, L. G. Smith Blvd. 9, P. O. Box 1124, Oranjestad, +297-5834488, +297-5832941,

Sole Mare, Palm Beach 23, +297-5860077, +297-5826988

Sun Club, Costa Linda Beach Resort, +297-5838000, +297-5836040

Tango, J.E. Irausquin Boulevard 370 (opp. Allegro Resort), Palm Beach, +297-5868600, +297-5868644

Texas de Brazil, J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 382, Palm Beach, +297-5864686, +297-5863685,

The Grill House, Zoutmanstraat 31, +297-5831611, +297-5830508

The Mill, Irausquin Blvd. 330, +297-5861746, +297-5867700

The Old Cunucu House, Palm Beach 150, Palm Beach, +297-5861666, +297-5827753,

The Pirate's Nest, Bucuti Beach Resort/L.G. Smith Blvd, Punta Brabo, +297-5831100, +297-5825272,

The Red Parrot, J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 47 (Divi Hotel), +297-5823300, +297-5822626

The Turtle's Nest, Costa Linda Resort, Eagle, +297-5838000, +297-5836040,

The Waterfront Crabhouse, L.G. Smith Blvd. 9 Renaissance Marketplace, Oranjestad, +297-5835858, +297-5826787,

Tony Roma's, J.E. Irausquin Boulevard #230 A, Palm Beach, +297-5867427, +297-5860860

Tortuga Bar & Grill, L.G. Smith Boulevard 51/53, Eagle, +297-5823000, +297-5838191,

Ventanas del Mar, Tierra del Sol, Westpunt, +297-5867800

Villa Martha Bar & Restaurant, Golfweg 67, +297-5845656

New writer trying to figure out what happened to my contribution on Donkey Sanctuary?
I am confused as to why my little blurb on the Donkey Sanctuary was deleted. Since I am new (just joined today), I am not sure what I need to do to add it back on. I noted that the "list" is already longer than 9 attractions, so I am not sure that adding one more would be a problem. We just returned from Aruba last week, and I think the Donkey Sanctuary is a great place to visit, especially for kids) and is also worthwhile to add since it is completely non-profit and is a good cause. What do I need to do to get permission to include it (somewhere) in this article? Thanks! —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Suzieqmom (talk • contribs)

 * Your listing hasn't been changed - maybe you're seeing an old version of the page? If you refresh the page in your browser does your listing show up? -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:13, 29 November 2010 (EST)

No, it's gone, as are my edits to Hooiberg (561 steps, not 1000+) and that Papamiento is an official language too. All 3 are gone, not sure why? Should I put them back in? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Suzieqmom (talk • contribs)

 * Your edits are definitely still there - if you can't see them by viewing the main page then you can view them by clicking on the latest update from the "History" tab (example: http://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Aruba&oldid=1586826). That said, this morning I didn't see your changes in this article until I refreshed the page, so it seems that wikivoyage.org might have a problem with its cache. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:51, 30 November 2010 (EST)

Thanks--I see them now through the link you provided! I appreciate the help!

Adopting American spelling for Aruba
Per Talk:Netherlands, ideally, British spelling should be used, but when writing Arikok National Park, I noticed that Aruba's official tourism website uses American spellings such as center and having an example such as a mix of the two in Arikok National Park looks plain weird and wrong to me. Therefore, I'm proposing whether we can add an exception to the countries part of the EU rule, and use AmE for articles about Aruba. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:37, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Also, I noticed that on their tourism website, they use the 12-hour clock. So should we adopt the 12-hour clock and American spelling for Aruba? I'm not sure how the currencies should be formatted tho., since you added the format box for most other country talk pages, any suggestions for how the currency should be formatted? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:56, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * One website isn't sufficient to determine what is used in a country as it could reflect the preference of the webmaster, or the use of translation software. I checked some restaurant websites and they use the 12-hour clock, so I agree with that. I think you should look at some other websites, e.g., a local newspaper, before concluding anything about spelling. Ground Zero (talk) 11:47, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure whether the "one website" thing is a translation software thing, since the visitor centre is a proper name which uses the AmE spelling (not even in Papiamento). The official tourism website gives you a choice while the official government website uses American spelling. I'll look for more websites soon. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:33, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Arunachal Pradesh

Deleting redundant entry for tawang--(WT-en) anurag.thakur84 00:31, 4 February 2012 (EST)

Sino-Indian clash
There has been a clash between China and India near Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh. Should I add a warning box here? Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 05:17, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

 * Yes. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:11, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Asahikawa

Chico's Pub
The link to Chico's Pub website is broken and I didn't manage to find it. The pub is perhaps closed? I've removed the entry and kept it here until someone can confirm this place exists. (WT-en) Dmolla 07:27, 4 January 2011 (EST)
 * Chico's Pub, . Foreign beers, pub-grub, local info, and some friendly faces. In summer, outdoor tables are set out so you can enjoy the numerous festivals at their streetside location.

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Talk:Asan

vfd discussion
I couldn't find the place and it countains just one firstperson sentence giving no clue — (WT-en) Ravikiran 21:38, 14 March 2006 (EST)
 * Keep. Looking at Special:Whatlinkshere/Asan, it's a city in South Korea.  Someone should stick a template in there, though.  -- (WT-en) Jonboy 12:57, 15 March 2006 (EST)
 * Keep (embarrassed that I did a google search, but did not search on Wikivoyage!) — (WT-en) Ravikiran 11:21, 16 March 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Ascension Island

Is this a travel destination along the lines of Project:What is an article? (WT-en) Majnoona 13:17, 26 Jan 2006 (EST)

Why not? It's a geographical unit of its own accord (an Island).

 * Hi, not all "geographical units" are Wikivoyage articles, please see Project:What is an article? and the associated talk page. Also check out your talk page for more useful links to help get you started. Thanks! (WT-en) Majnoona 15:54, 26 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * And to answer my own question-- yes, it is a destination! (WT-en) Majnoona

 * Hi, you may be wondering why I deleted it. I figured out that there's an 'island nations' category, where it better belongs.  I did delete some of the info and place it there.  Thanks for all your help.  Sorry I couldn't be of more assistance with your question - I'm fairly new and still relying on others for assistance.

 * Actually this already exists at Ascension. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:02, 27 Jan 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Ashanboni

VFD Discussion

 * No content (WT-en) –sumone10154 20:03, 30 April 2012 (EDT)

Result: Kept. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:14, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

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Talk:Ashdown Forest

Can i remove the copyright violation? since I've got rid of most of the 'copied' stuff although wikipedia and I have permission to use it I'll keep adding stuff as I come accross it thanks  jack

 * I'll remove it, a quick scan did not show up any violations. --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 00:57, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

I guess this is related to the comments above. Removed from the article:

Further Information
Please note, much of this information has been modified from the Ashdown Forest Tourism Site; however I (and Wikivoyage and its users) have permission to use this information the --(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:44, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

Stay safe - tone
Is it me - or does the Stay safe info need to be un-twee'd ? Iztwoz (talk) 07:49, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure you need a consensus to plunge forward and edit this. I'd recommend you go ahead. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:52, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Asheville

A wikivoyageer left the following links in Asheville that might be used to expande the article. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 19:05, 11 Feb 2006 (EST)
 * Asheville Chamber of Commerce
 * Brevard
 * Hendersonville
 * Pisgah National Forest
 * DuPont State Forest
 * Blue Ridge Parkway
 * Great Smoky Mountains National Park.

Latitudes/longitudes
This article would really benefit from latitudes/longitudes and a dynamic map. Volunteers needed :-) Nicolas1981 (talk) 14:47, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Touting?
Is the material that was removed in this edit touting? To me it seems like the lively prose and interesting, vivid details were cut out, leaving a somewhat bland summary. Of course the references to "a few years ago" had to be adjusted, but I think many of the other details could stay. What do others think? (If anyone's interested, the listing was originally added by 152.2.197.91, who also added several other listings to the article.) Pinging User:Ground Zero. —Granger (talk · contribs) 16:43, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

I actually opened the article to clean up the edit that you just fixed -- thanks for that. Somehow I ended up editing the Omni Grove Inn entry.

Here is the original version:
 * "Probably the most famous hotel in Western North Carolina, and has housed such famous guests as O. Henry, F. Scott Fitzgerald, and actor Daniel Day Lewis. A few years ago an amazing spa was added to the inn. It has several delicious restaurants and comfortable rooms. It's one of the pricier Asheville options, but for good reason. You could spend hours exploring the hotel and still not see everything. In the winter months it houses The National Gingerbread House Competition & Display and entries range from the heartfelt efforts of elementary age children to fantastic creations that must have taken months to prepare (a few years ago the grand prize in the adult category went to an elaborate and amazing reproduction of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry). The hotel even has its own ghost, the Pink Lady. Even if you can't afford to stay here, stop by the bar and lounge right through the front entrance for a cocktail or, in the winter, some delicious hot cocoa by the roaring fireplace. Wander outside for some of the finest views in Asheville."

This is what I replaced it with:
 * "Probably the most famous hotel in Western North Carolina. It has a spa, several restaurants and comfortable rooms. In the winter months it houses the National Gingerbread House Competition & Display and entries range from the heartfelt efforts of elementary age children to fantastic creations that must have taken months to prepare. The hotel has its own ghost, the Pink Lady."

To me, phrases like "an amazing spa", "delicious restaurants" and "You could spend hours exploring the hotel and still not see everything" sound like advertising copy, and don't belong here. The stuff about Hogwarts is nice, but visitors next winter can't see that, so it's just too much. Is the stuff about famous people who stayed there relevant to today's visitors? I don't think so, but if others do, then let's add it back in. I'll add back the part about stopping for a cocktail. I was being ruthless because the rest of it looked like touting to me. As it stands now, it's on the long side for a hotel entry. Adding back in the list of celebs would make it quite long. Ground Zero (talk) 17:50, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding back the part about the cocktails and so on. I agree that "amazing spa" isn't particularly informative. The Hogwarts part is interesting as it gives a sense of how elaborate the competition entries can get (following the writing tip of "show, don't tell"), but it's a fair point that visitors next winter can't see the same one. I'm neutral about the famous guests.
 * "You could spend hours exploring the hotel and still not see everything" is useful as it gives the sense that the hotel is huge and has lots of interesting things to see. And I think the word "delicious" is fine, assuming it's accurate. It's true that this listing is pretty long, but that might be appropriate for a hotel that's particularly interesting. We might be able to make some of the other listings more detailed too. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:18, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Was "delicious" written by someone who has visited all of the restaurants, or by someone looking to big up the place? If I have to bet, I'd bet on the latter. Not being able to see everything exploring a hotel for hours? That seems like a stretch to me. I think it would be better to list things to see than to leave this vague, open-ended statement there. Ground Zero (talk) 19:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I suppose on that basis we could delete the word "delicious" from most of the 3,000 articles that use it. Since I haven't been to the Omni Grove Park Inn, I don't know whether it's true that one could spend hours exploring it, though I note that some of the TripAdvisor reviews comment on how huge the resort and its grounds are. One reviewer says "we did not leave the resort all weekend." What makes you think the description you removed is a stretch? —Granger (talk · contribs) 19:51, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If I've been to a restaurant and think it's delicious, I'll add that. When I see "all the restaurants are delicious" right after "an amazing spa", I am sceptical. I have added a list of amenities to show the reader what is there, rather than just a non-specific promise of things. Ground Zero (talk) 20:19, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that addition.
 * The original listing didn't say "all the restaurants are delicious", and TripAdvisor reviewers seem to agree that the spa is amazing. I'm having trouble understanding why you're so skeptical of this listing. Is your point that you think the IP user was a representative of the hotel rather than a visitor or a knowledgeable local? If so, I don't share that impression—the usual red flags of touts aren't here ("we", name-dropping of other unrelated attractions, meaningless positive sentences, etc.), and the IP user added several other detailed listings and pieces of advice to this article . Is it possible that seeing the touty listing that was added today put you in an overly skeptical mindset with respect to this listing? —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Anyway, I don't care that much about this specific listing. I think I'm more trying to make a general point that there's nothing wrong with lively, positive descriptions of a POI. A positive review isn't necessarily the same as touting. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:37, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Lively, positive descriptions of places are great to have, but WV:tout encourages us to be specific instead of flowery:
 * "Avoid using flowery, vague terms in descriptions, instead describe why it is so great. "This stunningly wonderful hotel is fabulously luxurious!" is meaningless; "More staff than guests, three heated swimming pools, and each room has a jacuzzi, a bearskin rug in front of the fireplace and panoramic windows with views of the Mighty Mountains" tells much more. "
 * "Amazing", "delicious" (applied to several restaurants at once), and the bit about spending hours exploring without telling us what to explore, all fall into the category of "flowery, vague terms in descriptions". If you want to explain why the spa is amazing, based on the reviews, go ahead, but just saying it is amazing sounds like touting and provides no useful information. Ground Zero (talk) 21:44, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

[undent]The fact that those particular famous guests stayed at the hotel is interesting and should stay in the listing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:28, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed. For instance, in New York City, people might want to stay at the Waldorf-Astoria because FDR stayed there, while someone visiting Penang might want to stay at the E&O because Charlie Chaplin or Sun Yat-sen stayed there. The dog2 (talk) 23:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not something that interests me, but I'll respect the views of other editors on this, as always. Ground Zero (talk) 00:25, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Vegetarian food
I just removed Asheville from Travel as a vegetarian as there was nothing relevant in the lead or in Understand. Such a link should lead the reader directly to what makes the destination relevant as an example, not have them read through all the article wondering why it was linked – that's touting. I now see that the city indeed is known for vegetarian restaurants, but if that's a big draw, shouldn't it be mentioned in the lead? I am still a bit unsure about whether it should be readded to the topic article – that would require an explanation making it fit "smaller cities with particular reputations for alternative lifestyles" (or making context wording in the topic article fit what's here). –LPfi (talk) 09:46, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Ashford (Washington)

Converted from Redirect
This article was originally created as a redirect to Mount Rainier National Park. However, despite its small size (population 267), since many lodging options were being added to the Mount Rainier article that are not actually inside of the park I think it makes sense to create a separate article for the town and point to it from Mount Rainier. This approach prevents confusion about what lodging is actually IN the park, and what lies just outside. A similar approach was taking with Yosemite National Park and the tiny gateway towns like Lee Vining, El Portal, etc. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:36, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Ash Fork

Comments
I would like to know what people think of Ash Fork. I live here and I enjoy the town.

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Talk:Ashgabat

I edited page because the Arch of Neutrality was removed in August 2010. --(WT-en) Türkmenbaşı 19:41, 27 November 2010 (EST)

Possible alternative image for Banner

 * I prefer the alternative image, but as a banner, it's much bigger than the currently-used one and presumably has to be cut down for size. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:21, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

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 * No commercial FoP in TM. Do we want this image? It looks nice. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 11:48, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately, the light is dull, but I think we should have either this or the photo that's currently captioned "Beautiful view of Ashgabat city," and not both. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:20, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Ashikaga

This article is becoming great! And in particular I bow down before your careful observance of Manual of Style conventions. I see only two things missing before this could be a Destination of the Month: some pictures, and adding in kanji and macrons for Japanese attraction names. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:20, 4 April 2006 (EDT)

 * I agree! I searched a bit on Flickr and Wikimedia Commons, and I didn't come up with anything. I put a note in Project:Requests for images... let's see if that helps. --(WT-en) Evan 09:38, 4 April 2006 (EDT)

 * And now the kanji and macrons are there too. I'll have to daytrip here next time I'm in Tokyo just to get some snaps... (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:42, 9 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Thanks for the kind words. I've now added a few photos for Ashikaga, Kiryu (the best documented city in Gunma!), and Mashiko, trying not to overload people's bandwidths. Will probably add a few more for Mito, Sendai, or other places I've got a few spare shots of. Going to Osaka next weekend. Any requests? (WT-en) Joel 14:55, 10 June 2006 (JST)

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Talk:Ashkelon

Comments
This is definitely not a usable article. Wouldn't it be better to just delete it?
 * I've made it an outline-- you're right that it doesn't meet our criteria for usable yet. But please plunge forward and help get it there! Everything is a work-in-progress here. (WT-en) Maj 08:29, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Ashmore and Cartier Islands

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Ashmore and Cartier Islands/CIA World Factbook 2002 import -- (WT-en) Huttite 21:47, 27 Mar 2005 (EST)

This is neither a suitable destination or even possible stopping point in any sense apart from emergency... is the article template suitable for such a location? sats (talk) 09:27, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * We have other articles about locations accessible only to military personnel, like Diego Garcia. Are there ever any foreign military personnel at these islands, to your knowledge? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:35, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge
Hi and, shall we delete this article? It's uninhabitable, you can't get there. It's only there as an extension of Australia's EEZ. It's not going to give a reader anything. TravelAroundOz (talk) 03:10, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * We have a lot of articles for Next-to-impossible destinations. These articles are fun for armchair travelling. As long as the difficulty in getting there and restrictions on access are clearly identified, I think these articles are accepted in Wikivoyage. Ground Zero (talk) 03:26, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Lol, I'd love to visit some of these places. TravelAroundOz (talk) 03:53, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Me too. I'm surprised how much time I spent starting the article on Guadalupe Island, which I'm pretty sure I'll never get to. But it is fun to dream. Ground Zero (talk) 04:50, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge strongly objected to - as Ground Zero states they are excellent for next-to-impossible destinations, and politically, the reefs/sometimes above sea level rocks are an intriuging part of Australia's relationship with Indonesia, and the rest of the word when it comes to adjacent seas and international boundaries. I would never want to visit, but my personal preference is not above inclusion of a close to impossible place that is identified many times in complex issues to do with fishing rights, refugee and immigration issues in Australia. JarrahTree (talk) 04:37, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * We might want to eliminate some of the usual sections from the article, though. I tried an edit, but I don't know if it's reasonable. Also, if you did get permission to visit, wouldn't you have to go by boat? Seems so, and if so, we shouldn't mention it in "Get in". Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:41, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * without checking commonwealth government gazettals for specific proscriptions - from memory it is a prohibited area due to at risk wildlife - just like the french prohibitions of access of any sort to most of their possessions in the southern Indian Ocean - JarrahTree (talk) 04:45, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

 * the english wikipedia article even suggests:
 * Access to Cartier Island is prohibited because of the risk of unexploded ordnances even more reason to not want to get there, as well as having no point to access (anchorage only) - and the friendly border force staff on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABFC_Thaiyak - who I am sure with 300 days a year next to the reefs might get stir crazy with their glocks... no thanks.. JarrahTree (talk) 04:52, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Improving article
Information from this travel pamphlet from the Australian government would make this article a lot more useful. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 14:54, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

 * utility is very odd for a place that should not be encouraged to go to - but the pdf is a good catch...JarrahTree (talk) 12:20, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

 * It's not odd for a travel guide. The purpose of the article is to let people know how to get there, what they can/can't do, etc. We should neither encourage nor discourage people from visiting. We should provide the best information we can about, including risks/limitations/downsides, so that traveler's can decide for themselves. Withholding information is a disservice. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 10:51, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Park or rural area
I don't understand the change to rural area. The latter is for "areas so sparsely populated that their individual villages aren't big enough for their own articles." The islands are uninhabited so there is little rural about them, no "individual villages". They may not be a park, but you'd prepare like if going to the backcountry of a large park. There is no Fees or permits section for the rural area, and no Landscape, Flora and fauna, which I suppose are key here. Also compare Get around, See, Buy, Eat, Drink and Stay safe in the article templates (the ones with explanations, the quick ones are more similar). –LPfi (talk) 07:04, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

 * I did the change based on Norfolk Island. This is not a park, and I don't know what to put here, but rural area suits better than "park". I'm also confused to why this article exists in the first place, and I asked this question a while back as well. It's uninhabited, and serves no purpose. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:08, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It's also impossible to get here, so I might be putting a vfd for this soon. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:08, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Compare with the rest of the Next-to-impossible destinations. Get in and around says "Visitors must arrive by boat, and those visiting must use visitor-designated moors." Doesn't look like you couldn't get there. As rural area the article lacks Fees and permits, which I think are absolutely essential for this destination. Get in and Get around should also be separate.

 * From Understand: "Ashmore Reef supports a rich and diverse avian and marine habitat" Isn't that enough that somebody might want to come here? So what purpose is it that the article wouldn't serve if it were better developed?

 * –LPfi (talk) 07:29, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Well, in my opinion, I think this article is better off in Joke articles. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:31, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I also think this sentence:

Noting the status of the water supply and low lying nature of the islands, it is best to keep away.
 * Would be enough to discourage a traveller. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:33, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

 * [edit conflict] Why would you use Norfolk Island as a model? There are towns there, roads and people. What does make this article "not a park"? Utö isn't a city either, but that's the template that suites best. For usefulness, see Talk:Bouvet Island (which also should be transformed to a park). –LPfi (talk) 07:37, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Fine. I'll change it. You've convinced me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:38, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

 * [edit conflict] The sentence on "best to keep away" is probably there because the author did write it as a joke article. This is not the only place without water supply; if there is no potable water, bring your own. If the low-lying natures poses a hazard, tell about it in Stay safe (you wouldn't expect a reef, beach or lagoon to be anything but low-laying, would you? –

 * Very true. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:42, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Yes, if you read the above discussions, you can see this article's tone was purposefully written to tell people both that they shouldn't and cannot visit. I was the one that looked it up and added the information that proved that wrong and added it to the article to make it an actual travel article. You can see above that the reaction was that it was "odd" for me to add real travel information because of a personal belief that people should not visit (which I find odd and against our mission). If you find remnants of that joke/activist mentality, please edit if you can to give it proper tone. This is a valid travel article and should read like one. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 14:11, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Ashtabula County

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This is just the beginnings of the Ashtabula County Travel Page. I will also be putting together pages for Cities, locations, attractions in due time. Feel free to contribute and make sure to keep to the Wikivoyage rules (ie no plagarisms or using copyrighted media) and use the format templates.(WT-en) NEOhioguide 16:20, 24 July 2006 (EDT)

 * This page is getting a bit lengthy - I'd suggest creating some city articles for some of the linked cities (see Project:Small city article template) and moving some of the data there. Generally the region article contains only highlights for the region, with more detailed information included in the city articles.  See Paris and Paris/1st arrondissement for a good example (note that this example is a city / district, not a region / city, but the idea is the same even if the article naming is slightly different).

 * Also note that when creating city articles, (WT-en) Colin has created a list of hotel information that can easily be copied into the Sleep section of the article - see User:(WT-en) Cjensen/project/hotelmaker/Ohio. -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:07, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

 * I've created an example page at Ashtabula, and moved the bakery from Ashtabula County into the "Eat" section of the Ashtabula article (I assume that the bakery isn't a must-visit for Ashtabula County, but if it is then list it in the county article as well). I've also copied hotel data into the article from Colin's tool, and added links to Wikipedia and Dmoz (these appear in the left nav bar). Feel free to leave a message here or on my talk page if you have any questions. -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:18, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

Thanks Ryan, I'm still learning. (WT-en) NEOhioguide

 * You're doing fine! This was just a suggestion to help you along. -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:57, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

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