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MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist/Archive 2010

removing backpackerscarmarket dot co nz
we would like the black list to be removed for our link, we were unaware of the rules about the numbers of links in each section and appologise for this. as for removing competitors i think this subject needs to be looked into further as you will find that our entry was the first to be removed and then degraded with libelous comments edited into information about our company. the information we left was informative and unbiased and at no stage did we degrade our competitors. we did remove the competitors that had written untruths about us, and in retrospect perhaps this was over zealous, however we were not familiar with this section of the website and didn't know how to make our grievances known. there is still a lot of information that is incorrect in this section, and we will continue to optimize this section so that it can be as useful as possible to visitors to New Zealand. We have now created an account as this seems to be the best way to go, and have read and fully understand the rules on these topics, many thanks.

 * Welcome to Wikivoyage. You can review the history of the article  to get some idea of how disruptive your editing was.  The article had to be protected due to the frequency of your disruptive edits.  You were left multiple messages, but continued unabated until your site was blacklisted.  There is no right of any business to be listed on Wikivoyage, and I'm not convinced that you have the best interest of travellers to NZ in mind.  --(WT-en) inas 18:18, 5 January 2010 (EST)

 * i can only appologise for the changes made, it appeared to me that someone was editing our entries/ and at times removing them completely as i assumed this was a competitor whose company was listed around the same time and started leaving all sorts of untruths about our company. as for messages i was unaware of any messages perhaps this was due to not having an account??? i would be interested to hear why you think these things. if you were to ask the 1000's of travelers that we have helped/ provided a good service to over the past 8 years i m sure they would disagree. but that is your opinion.

 * If you now have an account, can you please start signing your edits on this talk page? The signature button is second from the right on the toolbar of any edit screen. I will leave it to others more familiar with the history of your case to comment specifically. However, I will say that vandalising competitor listings and making other disruptive edits, and only thinking to stop and talk to us after you had been blacklisted, is not very smart. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 00:17, 8 January 2010 (EST)

 * ok thank you i didnt know how to do this, i understand that all records of edits can been seen so if someone would take the time to review them you will se that we were not the first to remove or vandalise anybodies edits. and as i have previously mentioned this section of the site was not known to me.--(WT-en) Backpackerscarmarket 19:42, 9 January 2010 (EST)

so if anyone actually bothers to check the edit history it is clear to see that i removed an edit from another, at the time, anonymous user which was making liabolous comments about my business whilst promoting another competitors business....mmmm. none of my edits have ever been abusive or liabolous. since that edit was made two or three users including inas have reverted my edits back to this anonymous users entry......a bit unfair and un substantiated dont you think??? i was as i have previously mentioned i was unaware of the login being so important nor of the rules about links or the talk facility etc so all i saw was various users continously removing my edits and replacing with lies made up by a competitor. i have since ceased removing these edits but still left a little confused as to the involvement of some apparently well respected members of this community in purveying malicious rumours. if someone would be so kind as to look into this and resolve the matter that would be great.--(WT-en) Backpackerscarmarket 22:38, 8 February 2010 (EST)

i have read and fully understand the relevant the wiki travel guidelines--(WT-en) Backpackerscarmarket 22:41, 8 February 2010 (EST)

 * Nonsense. I did no such thing.  My only experience with and knowledge of your business has been your behaviour and interaction on this wiki.
 * I don't accept your naivety, the comments you claim you didn't see would have been right in front of you when you reverted the edits that you did. --(WT-en) inas 23:44, 8 February 2010 (EST)

 * Of course your edits have been abusive. You've been deleting competitors repeatedly, deleting them while simultaneously adding yourself , replacing their links with your own , replacing other companies with your own  and these are just a sample -- none of which involve even a negative comment about your company.  Now, there was another anonymous user that was briefly involved in similar behaviour , but that was a single edit, subsequently reverted, and in no way justification for an ongoing edit war two months later after that user had left.  -- (WT-en) D. Guillaime 00:48, 9 February 2010 (EST)

At this point I'm not sure there is a precedent for leaving a site on this list once the author is engaged, unless someone else knows of one. However, there is no guarantee your site will be listed here. --(WT-en) inas 23:44, 8 February 2010 (EST)

 * Actually, I do think there's precedent to leave sites on the blacklist despite author engagement. If either the behavior was egregious or the author is unrepentant, I don't see much reason to remove it. An apology and a clear commitment to not add their site again and to stop vandalizing articles would go some way towards building the good will for a removal, but I think we are under no obligation to poorly behaved touts. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:22, 9 February 2010 (EST)

 * The listing in question has been re-added to the article, albeit using a subpage of a consolidator webpage. Personally, I don't see it as an attempt to work within the guidelines, but rather a further attempt to work around them.  We are talking used-car dealers here, I don't really know what standards of propriety we should expect.  The options would either be to add the subsequent URL's here, or just take on the issue at the article itself.  I'm inclined towards the latter.  --(WT-en) inas 21:10, 10 February 2010 (EST)

my appologies inas i have taken another look back at the history and you are correct it wasn't you that reverted the edit back to the abusive edit that caused me to respond[], just to clarify we are not used car dealers, we do not sell cars we are a market, and we sell space to travelers to sell their own cars in. i have recently taken over the business and i have had a lot of problems with competitors trying to bad mouth us to bring the reputation of my business into disrepute and perhaps this is why i took the matter so personally, i can however promise that i will not involve my self with such behavior on this site again. --(WT-en) Backpackerscarmarket 15:00, 12 February 2010 (EST)

 * I've removed the entry. I look forward to your contributions in making the article a fair and helpful guide to travellers to New Zealand.  --(WT-en) inas 17:43, 12 February 2010 (EST)

loverio dot net and rentapartmentrio dot com
See Special:Contributions/(WT-en) Mayimbe. I left a note on User talk:(WT-en) Mayimbe with pointers to the relevant policies, but spamming continued along with edit warring. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:10, 4 January 2010 (EST)

in-bucharest dot com
See Special:Contributions/89.122.56.37. Site is not in compliance with the apartment rental listing policy and the user is edit warring. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:56, 4 January 2010 (EST)

archsanblas tripod com
Constant spamming of San Blas Islands and ignoring message left in edit summaries and on User talk:198.218.18.206 --(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:52, 5 January 2010 (EST)

editing Zadar page
I can't seem to edit http://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Zadar at all because of the spam filter.

 * Hi! I deleted the direct croatia external link that seems to be blacklisted because it is an aggregator. You should be able to edit the page. Please sign your entries on talk pages with the ~ ~ ~ ~ so it is easier to follow the history. (WT-en) jan 09:52, 5 January 2010 (EST)

alfamahouse dot com
See Special:Contributions/93.108.192.177 and Special:Contributions/(WT-en) Ortsac. User is ignoring pointers to Project:Don't tout and Apt in edit summaries, on User talk:(WT-en) Ortsac, and engaging in edit warring. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:17, 6 January 2010 (EST)

Seven Windmills B&B
Keeps double listing his business in several Amsterdam districts, despite numerous requests to stop. Hope this will get some attention. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 05:01, 14 January 2010 (EST)

Hello

I am Seven Windmills B&B owner. Firstly, let me say what a wonderful site this is.

The Amsterdam main page 'Sleep' section suggested with hyperlinks that visitors only stay in the Old Centre or South district for accommodation.

This discriminated against the grachtengordel area and other areas of the city like the Jordaan where most of the better, safer accomodation actually is.

Berfore the 'Amsterdam' page was restructured so that the city is clinically divided into administrative regions, we had many enquiries and lots of happy guest (mostly families) staying in our B&B. When the format of the page was changed, and no link to the grachtengordel area existed in the 'Sleep' section our page hit rate went to zero, and enquiries virtually stopped because of the way the main page was written - with a focus on cheap travel for singles.

It took me a while to figure why the enquiries had stopped. When I saw this new format it was clear that this situation might not be considered fair by some inckuding myslef, with my small business. I also noticed a saw a block of text from the CityMundo booking agency in the 'Sleep' section directing everyone to their booking engine - and also notice they are not blacklisted here like my business ? How can this be so ?

So, in response, may I ask that I be allowed to advertise on Wikivoyage under the grachtengordel section, and that my alteration to the 'Sleep section' whith a link to the grachtengrodel be allowed to the remain on the Amsterdam page ?

Many Thanks, Kerk

 * I've removed your blacklisting, I can't find any links to CityMundo, but if you come across such links, feel free to remove it, as links to booking engines are not allowed per our external links policy. As for the nitty gritty bits on how the sleep section on the main page is set up - I hope some of our Dutch users can comment on that, maybe you can take the wording up on Amsterdam's talk page. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 21:07, 22 January 2010 (EST)

a2zrooms dot com
Booking agent inserting their email address and url into sleep lisitngs at Liverpool. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 08:03, 12 January 2010 (EST)

MS Salute
Keeps overwriting a competitor's entry in Hanoi, no response to talk page comments (anonymous IP). No URL, so trying the hotel's name instead to catch their attention. - (WT-en) D. Guillaime 23:59, 24 January 2010 (EST)

 * Thanks, good call. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 00:43, 25 January 2010 (EST)

madagascat dot co za
I have gone out of my way to assist this user at User talk:(WT-en) Madagascattravel but no response, and continues to spam various Madagascar articles with a booking site link. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:20, 30 January 2010 (EST)

iwasinturkey dot com
The site is in the spam list. Is it possible to remove the site from the list or give us the reason why the site is in the spam list? We will do all the necessary actions to clear the site's name. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 207.237.161.108 (talk • contribs)

 * Hi. The site wouldn't normally be allowed in Wikivoyage, due to our policy on at Project:External links.  More than likely the site was being repeatedly re-added after being removed.  If the site isn't going to be added any longer, it can be removed from this list.  --(WT-en) inas 22:01, 31 January 2010 (EST)

You can be sure that it will not be added any more.

Is there any news about this?

Any news with this issue? It has been almost 2 months.

 * I have removed it, but will be watching to make sure it is not reinserted, and that goes for text/personal rants from that site as well. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:12, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

too broad marine(dot)ru
Currently the following URL is not allowed, referring to a pattern 'marine(dot)ru' -> 'marine\.ru'
 * http://marine(dot)rutgers.edu/opp/Temperature/Temperature1.html

Probably the pattern should still allow anything that has a letter immediately following "(dot)ru". --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 14:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)

Baoshan district of Shanghai
I am trying to link to the official webpage of Baoshan district government in Shanghai but gets this message: "'baoshan dot sh dot cn' -> '\w+\.sh\.cn'", how can this be fixed?, (WT-en) ClausHansen 02:02, 8 February 2010 (EST)
 * That's a weird one. It was on the other spam blacklist as described on Project:Spam filter, which isn't user-editable.  Since it seems way too broad to be safe, I added it to the whitelist, so you should be able to add the link now.  -- (WT-en) D. Guillaime 02:31, 8 February 2010 (EST)

Panama Spammer
I've blacklisted these today, after continued spamming/vandalism on project pages, despite a pretty stern warning on the users talk page.
 * www|alemi2424|dot|blogspot|dot|com
 * alemi24|at|gmail|dot|com
 * www|villamichelle2|dot|blogspot|dot|com
 * valenciamichelle|at|gmail|dot|com - --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 08:14, 8 February 2010 (EST)

GTV resort dot com
This spammer (User talk:(WT-en) Bandhavgarh, Special:Contributions/122.168.58.126, Special:Contributions/122.168.39.144) has been adding listings/links for his hotel across multiple articles, usually 3–4 times per article, and more obnoxiously uploading loads of images of his hotel to both :en and Shared. There is one legitimate place for this listing, but I have now removed that too, for as long as the website will remain blacklisted. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 11:59, 15 February 2010 (EST)

Edgewater Investment Group
To avoid spending 4 years on this user as Wikipedia has done, since he is apparently both relentless, persistent and thoroughly unable to work within online communites, I propose a blanket ban (blacklisting) on all Edgewater Investment Group websites.

More details here: Talk:Put-in-Bay. If in doubt, I urge you check out the many links to the users activities on Wikipedia --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 13:23, 15 February 2010 (EST)

 * Given some of the rather shocking reviews and postings online, in combination with the user's on-site behavior, I wouldn't be opposed, although I'm also somewhat uneasy with the precedent of a preemptive blacklisting. Would it be acceptable to simply blacklist URLs that have been added to Wikivoyage articles in the past, and state that future URLs added by this company are also subject to blacklist? -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:56, 15 February 2010 (EST)

 * Fine by me, although a cursory look at the Wikipedia debacle over this user, the huge number of websites and url's employed by this company, seems to be related to their inability to work with online communities. But I guess we can always adjust if it turns out to be true for Wikivoyage as well. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 14:19, 15 February 2010 (EST)

www dot handy-sparen dot de & www dot handy dot de
Both sites are daily inserted in the Germany article and are a clear violation of our xl policies. Only reactio so far but spammer was that he changed the IP. (WT-en) jan 05:41, 18 February 2010 (EST)
 * The spammer got creative and started to insert handy-sparen dot de (without the www). I will add this variation to the spamlist too. (WT-en) jan 16:54, 10 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Is the version with www. necessary to have in the blacklist at all? A blacklist entry on "somebusiness.com" should catch both "www.somebusiness.com" and "somebusiness.com", right?  (WT-en) LtPowers 09:58, 12 June 2010 (EDT)

 * "www" should never be necessary. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:58, 12 June 2010 (EDT)

VecheaVama dot ro
An anon user is very persistently reinstating this link, which really doesn't seem to be official in any way, shame or form, despite claims of the opposite. Maybe this will get some attention so we can engage with the user. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 18:23, 21 February 2010 (EST)

deraghotels dot de
Has been reinstating apartments that are only bookable for 14 days or more, contrary to our policies in apt, hope to get some engagement so only hotels or apartment available for ordinary bookings are listed on Wikivoyage. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 18:45, 21 February 2010 (EST)

paris-pyla dot fr
Listings that aren't in compliance with Apt keep getting re-added to Paris/5th arrondissement, Paris/6th arrondissement and Paris despite comments on talk pages and revert summaries. See Special:Contributions/82.234.244.214, Special:Contributions/(WT-en) Sunduk, and probably others. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:51, 22 February 2010 (EST)

Don't understand ...
I tried to add a hotel-listing at the "Darjeeling"-page. Reads like this:

 * Run by a Tibetan family for around forty years, the Bellevue Hotel features a modest, dry and warm interior, rooms are wood-panelled and - to Indian standards - clean. The ground floor accommodates several shops as well as the hotel's Internet-Café. Its WLAN covers almost every room of the hotel, free of charge.

Saving is blocked by Spam Filter.

Removed url -> Saving is blocked by Spam Filter.

Removed email -> Saving is blocked by Spam Filter.

Removed both -> Saving is blocked by Spam Filter.

So what? Does somebody know? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Serkhang (talk • contribs)

 * It's possible that there is another listing on the page with something that is on the blacklist. I'll have a look. (WT-en) Nrms 14:39, 27 February 2010 (EST)

 * Yup - I can't even save the current page with no changes. This will take some sifting! (WT-en) Nrms 14:41, 27 February 2010 (EST)

 * OK, there was some text in a hotel listing that was on the blacklist. I've removed that text and succesfsfully saved the page. Try making your edit now. (WT-en) Nrms 14:50, 27 February 2010 (EST)

Works like a charm! Best thanks! I'm sorry for not signing my contribution, before. I only ticked the add-signature checkbox after submission. Newbie! Cheers (WT-en) serkhang 15:01, 27 February 2010 (EST)

 * No problem :) It's not compulsory to sign, but it just helps us know who we're working with. Any other problems, either drop a message on my talk page, or the Traveller's Pub is always a good palce to look. Glad to be of help. (WT-en) Nrms 15:05, 27 February 2010 (EST)

extremehotels dot com & swellsurfcamp dot com
The Cabarete article has been the subject of a long-running edit war between this business and another. I removed both from the article with a message on Talk:Cabarete that the owners would need to work out their differences before either could be re-added, but this listing has re-appeared several times since then so I'm adding it to the blacklist. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:41, 1 March 2010 (EST)

 * Adding swellsurfcamp dot com as well as they've re-appeared in the article without first discussing. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:40, 8 March 2010 (EST)

Roman Homes

 * Copied from User talk:(WT-en) Romanhom

Hello, I am not familiar with editing in Wikivoyage, and so I am not sure that this message will be read. If it is, please reply to this problem. I tried to write (in the "sleep" section of Rome) a brief description of our company Roman Homes, offering vacation rentals in Rome, also mentioning our website romanhomes dot com, but it doesn't go through. Seemingly our site is blacklisted. I read here that it could be that someone "removed competitor information". Now a few days ago an employee of mine said that because the policy instructed not to edit the website URL, than he removed all the URLs he found in the "sleep" section, because he believed that other competitors were violating your rule (!). Today I went to see the page he mentioned, and I found that the links of these competitors were there, and it wasn't possible to include a link to our site romanhomes dot com. Now I read that removing competitor information is a breach etc. Again this employee of mine thought that he was doing a good thing (!). Only now I understand that it was bad, and I am also glad that one can publish the URL of a website, to inform visitors about it. Can you kindly remove the "ban" on romanhomes dot com, as now we understand your policy, and we will abide by it? Thanks in anticipation. Mauro Abate - owner of Roman Homes, website romanhomes dot com —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Romanhom (talk • contribs)

 * There have been repeated instances of this company removing competitor URLs, as well as numerous pointers provided to the apartment rental listing policy since this company does not seem to have a "real world office" listed anywhere that I could see on their web site. While the URL removals may indeed have been an honest mistake, based on past behavior and the fact that the site would not seem to qualify to be listed here I'd be hesitant to remove it without first getting some assurance that the site will not again engage in anti-competitive behavior, and that they have read & understand the guidelines for when it is OK to list a rental agency. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:53, 7 March 2010 (EST)

 * Copied from User talk:(WT-en) Romanhom

 * Hello Ryan,

 * I apologize again for the deletion of the URLs etc., as mentioned it was done in good faith by a collaborator of mine, who understood wrongly your policy (he believed that URLs should not be published, in fact he mentioned to me that he did not delete any text, but only the URLs, as you problably noticed).

We read well your policy, which I found in the link you prompted me to, and we agree with them. We honestly don't understand why you could not find the address and details of our agency, which I wrote in the edited text, and which can be also found in our website (please see the entry "Meet your guests" in the "Overview" drop-down menu of our site. The details are as follows. Roman Homes, address: Via Nettunense Nuova 65, 00040 Marino Rome (Marino is a little village in Rome's periphery, it is more ancient than Rome itself). Our phone numbers are: (+39) 069352216 or (+39) 3332420210. Our agency, working usually with exclusive rights agreement with the owners of vacation rental agencies, is one of the oldest and most reputable of Rome, operating since 1997, although it was active since 1990 as a cultural society of Rome University, hosting people coming to Rome for cultural purposes. Throughout the years, we have been pioneers in many aspects of this activity in Rome (first agency to organize in the 90s a network of room rentals for people coming to Rome solely for cultural reasons, first website in Rome to use digital photography and especially panoramic photos, first agency in Italy to organize online a car service etc.). Usually, our website is sadly plagiarized by copycats, for which we had to resort to lawsuits. Among the copycats, some of the other agencies edited in wiki Travel. For ex. the agency Rome Sweet Home began in 2001, editing their website largely by copying/pasting text and photos from our website, which is considered one of the best and most complete presenting Rome (and not only the sheer apartments rented). Should you require additional information, I will be glad to provide it. Thanks, and keep up your good work. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Romanhom (talk • contribs)

 * I've removed this URL, but would encourage the site owner to carefully read the apartment listing policy as well as Project:Don't tout. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:54, 8 March 2010 (EST)

Thanks Ryan, and before posting anything I will read well again the apartment listing policy and also the "Don't tout", although it is sometimes hard to understand the borderline between the allowed or correct listing information, and what is touting. I will do my best, hopefully it will work out. Regards, Mauro.

This is a second message, after reading the apartment listing policy and also the "Don't tout" policy. We understood well both, and we'll do our best to follow the guidelines and the policies. Thanks again Ryan. Regards, Mauro Abate

Dieria
Added in the slim hopes that it might halt some unusually dumb and sadly persistent vandalism. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:20, 15 March 2010 (EDT)

skijapantravel dot com
Travel agent that has consistently spammed Hakuba and other articles.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:21, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

mbt2sale dot com
One of the few spammers that consitently create nonsense articles about shoes and varies the text but not the link. (WT-en) jan 05:52, 22 March 2010 (EDT)

sagatravel dot is
Travel agent who spammed multiple Iceland articles. All were deleted and messages left, came back and did the same again.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:20, 22 March 2010 (EDT)
 * also myvatn dot net, which is the same agent back and posting the same tours. See here.

benusang
A very persistent tour guide from Nigeria who continues to place his ALL-CAPS listings on the top of articles from Africa to Nigeria to Calabar. See here, here, here, and I'm sure several others. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:24, 22 March 2010 (EDT)

 * I've also added "BEN USANG" for the same reasons as above. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:15, 14 June 2010 (EDT)

 * I've now also listed the user's phone numbers (2348053443045 and 2347029722727) as he returns on a near-daily business to spam the Calabar article. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:37, 14 July 2010 (EDT)

holidaysinkeramoti dot com
Persistant spamming sub Rome articles and talk pages. States in summary holidays in greece. (WT-en) jan 16:03, 24 March 2010 (EDT)

bedbugspictures dot net
Creation of spam articles (e.g. Bedbugs) that are always full of new xl violations. (WT-en) jan 10:15, 25 March 2010 (EDT)

vienna-cityapartments dot at
Several users tried to advise this business that their listing is against our Apt policy and started instead with front linkind and reinsertion. (WT-en) jan 04:45, 28 March 2010 (EDT)

Hello Ryan,

what can I do that you remove my site from the blacklist? Please help me.

Greetings from Vienna Guido

 * This was today (bizarrely) posted in the 2008 archives:
 * Hello, why is my apartment url on the blacklist here. I dont understand. Please help me about this. Vienna Cityapartment at is my site. Im the Owner of the 4 Apartments in Vienna. Guido

 * I suggest you read the above.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:29, 28 March 2010 (EDT)

I dont understand why I´m on the Blaclist here. Please help me to remove me from the blacklist. I´m not a travel agency. Here are many Privat apartments with their link. Why cant I do this? Please help....Kind regards Guido

 * You persistently edit-warred after your link was correctly removed from Vienna. If you took the trouble to read Project:Accommodation_listings you would see why - no real world address provided amongst other things. On top of that your listing was badly formatted with a front link drawing attention to it, and kept appearing at the top of the list, rather than in alphabetical order. Messages to this effect were left in the edit history at Vienna but ignored.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:55, 30 March 2010 (EDT)

Hello,

who can help me to remove my homepage fron the blacklist. I will put my apartment on the right place here und add my adress. Please help me here. Im sorry about the the mistakes that I did. Thank you forwarding. Kind regards

Guido

 * I'm afraid you haven't made a very good case as to why your site should NOT be blacklisted. Sites aren't added to the blacklist unless there have been repeated violations, including ignoring pointers left by other users.  If that's the case with your business then I'm not sure that Wikivoyage is an appropriate venue for you to advertise on. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:37, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
 * Also you re-added your business with the same url but instead of dot at you changed to dot com which is just circumventing our blacklisting. (WT-en) jan 10:44, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

Hello Ryan,

please give me a second chance for my site dot at here. Thie is my mainside. In the future I will follow the rules here. Thanks forwarding for your help. Kind regards Guido

cretan-nutrition dot gr
Violation of dt and xl plus frontlinking in the Crete food section. (WT-en) jan 04:56, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

baylodging dot com, islandclub dot com, and putinbayresort dot com
See Talk:Put-in-Bay. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:55, 1 April 2010 (EDT)

begin of the skype highlighting
It seems like a Skype plugin is broken and is adding meta tags when certain users edit articles. Hopefully blacklisting this tag will solve the problem. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:45, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

Skype highlighting?
swept in from pub:

For the skype uninitiated, could someone explain why edits like this are occurring? Is there anything we can do to stop this from happening? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:29, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
 * Peter, Skype is similar to an instant messenger but when you look at a page and skype is activated plus the skype highligt you can immediately call the number. It's rather a nuisance imho because when a page is full of it then virtually any number can be imediately called via your skye account. It's called skype out and you can call through this any phone number in the world. In essence it turns an article in a virtual yellow page site and you can call all phone numbers. I think it's a promotional tool and therefore i work hard to delete it. Also it's against our way we format listings because it doesn't benefit the reader (and especially the editor) and is just a tool to easier call a business. (WT-en) jan 10:39, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

 * I've added the term in question to the blacklist - hopefully whatever plugin is causing the breakage will be fixed soon. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:47, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

villabrasilmotel dot com
At Santa Monica, user pasted his listing over the top of an existing competitor and then inserted his url into six other listings, deleting the correct urls. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:45, 11 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Wow, then did the same thing to the Hollywood article. I think that's blatant enough that no matter what the future excuse might be, this one stays permanently blacklisted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:59, 11 April 2010 (EDT)

Angelfire
Why is Angelfire on the blacklist? I've got a Buy listing whose web site is on Angelfire. (WT-en) LtPowers 22:56, 23 April 2010 (EDT)

 * I don't see anything on any of the blacklist talk pages, so I'd say go ahead and remove it. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:03, 23 April 2010 (EDT)

galapagosonline dot com
I've removed this one numerous times from the Galapagos Islands article because the site is a reseller of tours, not an actual operator, but it continues to be re-added. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:36, 28 April 2010 (EDT)

zanys dot com
Rental agency that spams Beijing, Shanghai and other Chinese articles with their promotion and ignored warning. Finally started to edit warring, so block and blacklist. (WT-en) jan 05:57, 29 April 2010 (EDT)

mommitaslodge dot jimdo dot com
User talk:(WT-en) Zaldyangulo or anonymously User talk:203.84.185.186 continiously enters his business in the Coron and Busuanga Island article in a very touty way and ignored several warning by multiple users. I'm going to blacklist all of his regular entries. (WT-en) jan 07:15, 30 April 2010 (EDT)

sandovallodge dot jimdo dot com
User talk:(WT-en) Zaldyangulo or anonymously User talk:203.84.185.186 continiously enters his business in the Coron and Busuanga Island article in a very touty way and ignored several warning by multiple users. I'm going to blacklist all of his regular entries. (WT-en) jan 07:15, 30 April 2010 (EDT)

shirlbaywalkpensionhouse dot webs dot com
User talk:(WT-en) Zaldyangulo or anonymously User talk:203.84.185.186 continiously enters his business in the Coron and Busuanga Island article in a very touty way and ignored several warning by multiple users. I'm going to blacklist all of his regular entries. (WT-en) jan 07:15, 30 April 2010 (EDT)

coronvillahermosaguesthouse dot webs dot com
User talk:(WT-en) Zaldyangulo or anonymously User talk:203.84.185.186 continiously enters his business in the Coron and Busuanga Island article in a very touty way and ignored several warning by multiple users. I'm going to blacklist all of his regular entries. (WT-en) jan 07:15, 30 April 2010 (EDT)

orientallodginghouse dot webs dot com
User talk:(WT-en) Zaldyangulo or anonymously User talk:203.84.185.186 continiously enters his business in the Coron and Busuanga Island article in a very touty way and ignored several warning by multiple users. I'm going to blacklist all of his regular entries. (WT-en) jan 07:15, 30 April 2010 (EDT)

amorpensionhouse dot webs dot com
User talk:(WT-en) Zaldyangulo or anonymously User talk:203.84.185.186 continiously enters his business in the Coron and Busuanga Island article in a very touty way and ignored several warning by multiple users. I'm going to blacklist all of his regular entries. (WT-en) jan 07:15, 30 April 2010 (EDT)

coronsunriseinn dot jimdo dot com
User talk:(WT-en) Zaldyangulo or anonymously User talk:203.84.185.186 continiously enters his business in the Coron and Busuanga Island article in a very touty way and ignored several warning by multiple users. I'm going to blacklist all of his regular entries. (WT-en) jan 07:27, 30 April 2010 (EDT)

extremeiceland dot is
This address has now been added and reverted three times from Talk:Iceland. To the user who keeps doing this: talk pages are for discussing the corresponding article, not for advertising a business. In a similar vein, please read our policy on listing tour companies. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:42, 1 May 2010 (EDT)

grammy dot com
Anon user 91.201.66.24 has spammed several articles with this link. It violates several policies. (WT-en) jan 04:20, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
 * Potentially useful in the Los Angeles/Downtown article, but it's probably not a big loss. (WT-en) LtPowers 06:56, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

lidodivenezia dot it
This hotel booking site keeps adding about a dozen links to the Venice/Lido article, despite pointers to Project:External links. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:18, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

Hoianeasyriders dot wordpress dot com blocked
I made an entry a while ago for a local business in vietnam (http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Hoi_An) and some punk recently removed it.

See: Hoi An Easyriders (Hoi An Easyriders)

I've attempted to add it back in but when I attempt to save it with the url="Hoianeasyriders dot wordpress dot com I get a spam block notification.

I don't know why it is blocked but it is very frustrating. I would like to add the URL back in. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Davidgelman (talk • contribs)

 * The "punk" who deleted the listing consists of at least four of this site's administrators - see the edit history for the article. Edit warring and removing competitor listings is a pretty serious violation of site policy. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:24, 15 May 2010 (EDT)

 * And you just made it worse by reinserting a different url, which has now also been blacklisted easyridersadventure dot wordpress dot com.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:02, 15 May 2010 (EDT)

Expanded out the pattern a bit to catch new attempts including overwriting of competitors, cf. . -- (WT-en) D. Guillaime 20:34, 12 February 2011 (EST)

mahindrahomestays dot com
See Special:Contributions/(WT-en) Mahindrahomestays. I'm not sure whether this site is valid for listing here per our accommodation guidelines, but the mass updates of improperly formatted listings are clearly not inline with the SEO policy, and the user hasn't responded to messages left on his/her talk page. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:27, 17 May 2010 (EDT)

suites-et-compagnie dot com
This listing is not in compliance with the apartment listing policy, but despite pointers to that guideline it has been re-added to Bordeaux at least four times. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:08, 17 May 2010 (EDT)

Milkshakes
I added for the city of Jamshedpur(India), the following:

==Nonalcohol/Milkshakes==

 * BHATIA Milk Shake Store - Its app. 200 m opposite from Bank of Baroda, in the Bistupur Market. Just ask locals where it is exactly from Bank of Baroda. They have got the best MilkShakes in town, best recommende from myside is Chocolate and Rose, for me being an European I did not encounter any stomach problems, but better ask for it without Ice, to be sure. Starts from Rs. 15

There is no URL or anything, has someone an advice? —The preceding comment was added by 78.49.42.82 (talk • contribs)

 * Chances are that there is an item from the blacklist already in the article, rather than in the text you're trying to add. Unfortunately, that makes it hard to find.  (WT-en) LtPowers 15:45, 17 May 2010 (EDT)

 * It should be OK now - one of the phone numbers was blacklisted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:49, 17 May 2010 (EDT)

hotelsneardelhi dot com
Several links in the understand section in cities and towns around Delhi in blatant form. (WT-en) jan 06:51, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

peacemission dot info
I am trying to update a link to our church's website from the old one fdipmm dot libertynet dot org to the new www peacemission dot info but its getting spammed. What should I do?

 * Which article are you trying to edit? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:30, 19 May 2010 (EDT)

I'm sorry, it is this one: http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Montgomery_County_(Pennsylvania) on Woodmont Palace Mission Inc. Thank you

 * I've removed the record that was triggering the blacklist in that article. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:51, 20 May 2010 (EDT)

Thanks a lot, it worked!

nanuksbungalows dot com
See the history of the Nusa Lembongan article - anonymous user(s) have been replacing numerous URLs on the page with this one and have ignored all warnings (per Project:Don't tout) to stop. From the article history this looks to be a particularly egregious abuse. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:12, 21 May 2010 (EDT)

 * You beat me to it Ryan. These guys have had many months of rope but did not stop and have finally hung themselves.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:27, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

loveblogspot dot com
Spambot that create new sites all having a link to the above mention site. (WT-en) jan 11:20, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

nexgenam dot com
Spamming Talk:Main page is not only egregious, it is stupid. User has already been warned in the past. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:04, 26 May 2010 (EDT)

hoteldeals dot ae
See Special:Contributions/87.212.68.217. User has been spamming us with hotel aggregator links and isn't responsive to comments left on his/her talk page. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:47, 30 May 2010 (EDT)

travelgrenada dot com
Rather ballsy ongoing spam at Grenada. If user replies and agrees to stop, please remove from blacklist. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:20, 1 June 2010 (EDT)

Kodagu
I am having difficulties in editing Coorg http://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Kodagu&action=submit please could you help? It says some spam filter is blocking things. (WT-en) Fredericknoronha 17:21, 3 June 2010 (EDT) Fredericknoronha

 * Fixed. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:27, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

noxedge dot com
Spamming the talk page of our main page is stupid and frontlinking makes it only worse... (WT-en) jan 07:22, 4 June 2010 (EDT)

gringorent-a-car dot com
Spamming our Margarita Island unser username Mustsee and with anon IP. Has been warned but kept inserting. (WT-en) jan 11:26, 5 June 2010 (EDT)

 * The entry itself, though, would appear legit? A local car hire provider in the area?  Although I'm no fan of touty entries, I think time may have been saved in this instance by just formatting the entry, rather than an edit war, article protection and spam list adding.  --(WT-en) inas 20:21, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

 * Inas, i'm now in contact with the business owner and it was a lot of hassle so all others know what happens to this very touty entries. I think in the long run it will be beneficial for WT because otherwise we have huge lists of rental companies with negative value.(WT-en) jan 11:30, 13 June 2010 (EDT)

I was unaware of the talk feature and thought someone was removing the information out of spite or compitition. I will follow the rules and apologize for not understanding. Please remove from the spam list. Thanks, MustSee
 * Thank you for your acknowlegdment and i will remove it from the blacklist. (WT-en) jan 11:24, 14 June 2010 (EDT)

Hi Jan, a competitor has been deleting/changing the Margarita Island board and I need help. Thanks (WT-en) MustSee 13:23, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

 * YOUR most recent edit removed your competitor's listings, so it's a bit disingenuous to say that you are a victim here. In any case, as discussed at Talk:Margarita Island I've rewritten the "Get in" section and removed the individual car rental company listings - the amount of time being devoted to this edit war is not worth it. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:34, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

Hi Ryan, sorry I am not real sharp with a computer. Since those listings contained incorrect phone numbers, I didn't see the harm. If you look at the history you will see this spammer has been up to this for awhile, just recently posting other companies. The spammer is only out to cause harm. I asked Jan for help in my talk section awhile back, but I must have done something wrong. If I goofed I apologize.

I noticed the http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:External_links#What_not_to_link_to states " Rental cars operators, in cities where they are common (10 or more operating in the city). Typically we don't provide details of national car rental chains in local guides. Providing details at the national level, and mentioning the name and location at local level is sufficient if required."

Since GRC is the only car rental agency in Playa El Yaque, I am requesting that a link be permitted to be placed under the Playa El Yaque portion. If you think it should say something other then what it does I will need help in formatting because computers are not my bag. Thanks (WT-en) MustSee 16:23, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

Maybe this will help? http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:User_ban_nominations#Outstanding_nominations Cheers (WT-en) MustSee 20:27, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

sheraton dot com/senggigi
Sadly a nice hotel in Senggigi has started to spam our article with multiple listings. Several warnings have made and efforts to contact them. The Sheraton still spams the article so we need to blacklist them because otherwise business owners in the region will cry foul. Please revert on spot. (WT-en) jan 03:38, 7 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Whoever's doing it seems more confused than anything else. Sometimes I wonder how much of this sort of thing is simple ignorance of wiki customs (talk pages, edit summaries, etc.) and how much is malicious in nature.  (WT-en) LtPowers 09:05, 7 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Lt:Powers: In this region it has become more and more common to spam our article. Nanuk's Bungalow from Nusa Lembogan started the same way (and is blacklisted now,too). The region is not so well covered by the Lonely Planets etc. so our articles are pretty high up in the google ranking. I think some don't know what they are doing but the majority is very experienced what they do (and interested to stay in the article). See e.g. User talk:Jc8136/Archives Cheers (WT-en) jan 09:48, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

travelingtolisbon dot com
Non-compliant Apartment agency that continiously places ther listing in Lisbon and has been reverted by most active admins in the last weeks. (WT-en) jan 05:33, 8 June 2010 (EDT)

barcelonacheckin dot com
One of the bunch of aparment agencies that keep spamming our Barcelona in multiple ways and occasions. (WT-en) jan 07:54, 11 June 2010 (EDT)

Time to trim the blacklist?
There are some disadvantages to having a long blacklist - large regular expressions are slower, it's tougher to manage a long list, and some of our patterns may be overly broad or targeted to specific users who are no longer vandalizing the site (example: ). Would anyone mind beginning a process to try to trim this list down a bit by removing some of the more obvious cleanup targets? If something is removed that triggers an increase in spam we can always re-add it later, but I think it's probably time to get rid of some of the phone number patterns and similar items that may have outlived their usefulness. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:03, 15 June 2010 (EDT)

 * The following patterns were added prior to June 2009 and haven't been modified since, so I've pulled them out as test cases:

((h|H)(e|E|é|É|/?)(l|L)(p|P)).*((c|C)(o|ó|O|Ó|/?)(m|M)(b|B)(a|A)).*((h|H)(o|ó|O|Ó|/?)(m)(o|ó|O|Ó|/?)(s|S)(e|E|é|É|/?)(x|X)) ((h|H)(o|ó|O|Ó|/?)(m)(o|ó|O|Ó|/?)(s|S)(e|E|é|É|/?)(x|X)).*((d|D)(e|E|é|É|/?)(t)(e|é|é|é|/?)).*(((r|R)+)(e|E|é|É|/?)(n|N)(t|T)) ((h|H)(o|ó|O|Ó|/?)(m)(o|ó|O|Ó|/?)(s|S)(e|E|é|É|/?)(x|X)).*((w|W)(o|ó|O|Ó|/?)(r|R)(s|S)(e|E|é|É|/?)).*((a|A)(n|N)(i|I)(m|M)) ((s|S)(o|ó|O|Ó)(d|D)(o|ó|O|Ó)(m|M)).*(t|T)(r|R)(a|A)(v|V)(e|E|é|É|/?)((l|L)+)((e|E|é|É|/?)) ((thr..t|d.t.r+.nt)\sto\ss.c.{2}ty.*(s.d.m.st.?|d\S{2}th|c.ns.nt.{3})|=?p.rv.rt\S{,3}[=_-\s\\\/\']*(or|and)?[=_-\s\\\/\']*(l\Ssb\S{,2}ns?pr.v.nc.\.org|\sc.p.t.l|p.{2}pl.|.v.nts?|fr.{2}ndly?|tr.v.l{2}(.rs)?|life|f.st.v{,3}|mardi|t.l.r.nc.?|v.s.t.rs?|r.ghts?|act.v.t\S{,3})|(gay|lesbian)[_-\s\\\/\']*p.rv.rt.{0,2}) 1259135415\.info 22101822 22442047 22442051 22442591 22492591 22845062 24551491 28400811 3319\W?11437 33630631 39012240 322973398779 4564564 55543695 69443695 9339424307 9433483411 9830233754 9830794541 9831031895 98312240 9883508673 © 20\d\d accomodations-ragovij\.cn adgfag Aimersoft

 * -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:16, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

www dot africanbluetours dot com
Continious violation of dt and tours plus places ad in most South African articles. I tried to contact but no reaction. (WT-en) jan 03:43, 15 June 2010 (EDT)

Error in Digha article
When I wanted to revert this mass, unexplained removal, I've been notified about a blacklisted link in the article. As far as I can see, there is only one external link in the article (the one at the intro), and I can't tell whether it really is an official homepage (and thus really deserves to be at the top), but it certainly is not blacklisted (or, at least I couldn't notice it in the list). How to get around this problem? – (WT-en) Vidimian 04:52, 16 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Hi! I just tried and was able to save the article. Please try again and otherwise log in and out (sometimes that solves the problem). (WT-en) jan 05:05, 16 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Nope, logging out and in did not work. Could you please try undoing that edit I mentioned yourself, so we can see if the problem is somehow restricted to me or anybody trying to undo that edit goes through the same? – (WT-en) Vidimian 05:12, 16 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Burmeseday already did it. If the problem continues maybe ask Ryan as he knows a lot of good tricks. (WT-en) jan 05:16, 16 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Isn't that edit made after Burmesedays took care of something else? Or am I too sleepy to be able to see clearly? – (WT-en) Vidimian 05:21, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

 * I just tried to revert it as well, and also was blocked by the spam filter – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 05:46, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

 * One of the phone numbers in a hotel listing was the culprit. I think that this is a further argument in favor or pruning old blacklist entries as we seem to be causing some unintended collateral damage. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:37, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

Hostel Ukraine dot com
Business owner appears to be deleting competitor info and replacing it with his own. That's about as shameful an edit that one can possibly make on Wikivoyage, so I'm happy to add this one to the blacklist. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:44, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

Can we get this one off the blacklist?
I have no connection with the management or owners of this place, I just wanted to add it as a useful piece of information:

http://www dot sitio-do-alemao dot 20fr dot com/ (WT-en) Mariusm98 12:19, 23 June 2010 (EDT)

 * 20fr dot com is being blocked from the main Mediawiki blacklist. We could theoretically whitelist it here, but in general we won't do so without a good reason - what is the site you're trying to link to?  It looks to me like a guide about a region, which wouldn't be in accordance with our Project:External links policy. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:50, 23 June 2010 (EDT)

TANDAMATA
A gift shop owner has now re-added this listing to the Bali article four times and ignored requests to stop. Individual businesses go in city articles, not region articles, and given the user's behavior this seems like a toury advertisement and thus isn't something we even want in city articles. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:15, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

manalimedicalaid dot ning dot com
Major spam attack ongoing and one of the regular sites listed. (WT-en) jan 15:37, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

studentdoctor dot net
Major spam attack ongoing and one of the regular sites listed. (WT-en) jan 15:43, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

connect dot cityname dot com
Major spam attack ongoing and one of the regular sites listed. (WT-en) jan 15:54, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

 * I've consolidated the pattern slightly. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:26, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

Amethystbangalore DOT Com
Hi, Tried adding some content, ot says something about spam filter.. Not sure what it refers to as the listing was genuine and not spam. Can some one pls help. —The preceding comment was added by 128.243.253.114 (talk • contribs)
 * It would be really helpful if you could tell us what article you were trying to edit. (WT-en) LtPowers 09:10, 3 July 2010 (EDT)

wanndo dot com
See Special:Contributions/(WT-en) Happyclick and Special:Contributions/203.130.251.210. The URL that keeps getting re-added to articles isn't even a functional site ("coming soon"), but it appears from the listing text that this is an attempt to market a t-shirt. The same user has previously spammed us with advertisements for a volcano tourism outfitter. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:01, 14 July 2010 (EDT)

expeditiontrips dot com
This link keeps getting re-added to the Antarctica article on a near-daily basis, despite pointers in edit summaries and on user talk pages to the Tour and Project:External links policies. It looks like a decent site, but they list tours offered by other companies and thus is not appropriate for listing here according to our guidelines. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:50, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

skisilverthorne dot com
An anonymous user has been returning every morning to re-add this listing to six or seven different articles despite being provided pointers to Project:Don't tout. See Special:Contributions/173.217.31.59 and Special:Contributions/24.8.136.4. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:25, 4 August 2010 (EDT)

falafelbus dot com
Repeatedly added and re-added to numerous Middle Eastern articles, from country-level on down (like so and so). User hasn't responded to requests to stop, see User talk:(WT-en) Deanot78. — (WT-en) D. Guillaime 02:40, 11 August 2010 (EDT)

Barcelona Apartments blacklist
Should not be listed at all, as they don't comply with our apartments policy:
 * http://www.bcnsuites.com, see
 * http://www.barcelonaramblasapartments.com/: see
 * (list to be expanded from a log of both previous and future reverts)

Should not be in district articles, as they offer apartments in more than one disrict:
 * http://www.barcelonaflats.co.uk
 * http://www.apartmentsramblas.com
 * http://www.BarcelonaApart.com
 * http://www.barcelonaflats.co.uk
 * http://www.cheapapartmentrentalbarcelona.com
 * http://www.barcelonaramblasapartments.com/: see

—The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) DenisYurkin (talk • contribs)

Bishkek
Hello, I am trying to add a guest house I stayed at to the list of budjet accomadation in Bishkek. It wont let me and refers me here. Perhaps I am making some mistake, I am not sure. There are two email addresses and two phone numbers involved but I tried it without them, in otherwords just a sentence and I was still blocked. Could someone please explain this to me. Thank you.

What I want to add is:

Sabyrbek's Guest House, +996 312 300710, +996 312 300710, sabyrbek@mail.ru alymkan@yandex.ru The home of the famous Kyrgyz author T. Sydykbekov, is now managed by his son the amiable Sabyrbek. It is very centrally located. 21 Razzakova (just south of Moscovskaya), opposite the German embassy. Guests are welcome to use the kitchen facilities and internet is available.

 * It looks like you were able to add the business correctly in this edit. I tried a test edit on that article and didn't encounter any problems, but please provide additional information if you're still having issues. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:01, 14 August 2010 (EDT)

Thanks, I have never done this before so I am not clear as to how it works. The first few times i tried to post it by editting the budget accomadation section that is when i encountered the problem mentioned above. I then noticed the add listing button for Sleep in general, that is the sucessful edit you have pointed out. However, I can only see that edit if I use the link you placed above. If I just open the Bishkek page it is not there...is there some delay? Also I dont see any way of placing the new listing under the buget heading instead it is alone above that between sleep and the budget subheading. How do I change this? I realize this is not really the place for questions like this but I dont know what is, if you could help I would really appreciate it.

 * You may need to reload the page in your browser to see the latest version. I've moved the listing to the "Budget" section, which can be done by clicking "edit" and moving the appropriate content. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:56, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

[Kk]olkata.?[Bb]ooking
I'm hoping to discourage the neverending attempts to get phone numbers for a certain few hotel booking agencies in the lovely city of Kolkata, for hotels in other towns, among which Mandarmani of course ranks high in importance. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:25, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

 * I also added a [Kk]olkata.?[Cc]ont expression, which should hopefully catch a few more.  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:29, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

I've tried repeatedly to post the following today but am getting prevented:

Deputy High Commissions

 * [[Image:Flag of Bangladesh.svg|20px]] Issues 15-day visas. Applications are received at window #4 M-F from 9AM-11AM, and visas are generally ready the next afternoon. Bring 3 passport photos.

 * [[Image:Flag of China.svg|20px]]

 * [[Image:Flag of Germany.svg|20px]] The origins of the German consulate in Kolkata can be traced to before the existence of Germany itself, to the establishment of the consulate of the kingdom of Hanover in 1851 and the consulate of Prussia in 1854.

 * [[Image:Flag of Japan.svg|20px]]

 * Flag of the United Kingdom.svg

 * Flag of the United States.svg It is the oldest diplomatic post of the U.S. in India, and the second oldest in the world (the oldest being in London). Benjamin Joy was appointed the first American Consul to Kolkata by George Washington in 1792, upon the express recommendation of then- Secretary of State, Thomas Jefferson. (Note that the ironic address was the result of a diplomatic snub by the then Marxist Bengal government during the period of the U.S. war in Indochina.)

(WT-en) Zepppep 17:20, 15 April 2011 (EDT)

 * What page are you posting this on? There's probably text on that page that is triggering the filter. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:25, 15 April 2011 (EDT)

Gorumara.*[blacklisted expression]
Enough w/ the freaking West Bengali spamming... --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:12, 19 August 2010 (EDT)

 * I've dropped the Gorumara and have simply blacklisted the word in question: backwards is kahcnaP. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:41, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

indiandestination dot com
Another indian spammer plasters his ads in a wide range of articles throughout India. Has not stopped after warning and instead increased his spam intensity. (WT-en) jan 09:33, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

marrakech-loisirs
This listing has been removed from Marrakech at least ten times now with pointers provided to the Tour policy. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:08, 5 September 2010 (EDT)

www dot free hostel dot pl
In Kraków/Kazimierz, it appears there is a hostel which actually is named "Free Hostel". The web site is activating the spam filter. It appears in an older version of the record: In fact the address was in both email and website fields of the listing (should be just one). I left the article with added but with website and email gone for this listing. The hotel comes up with this name when listing hostels in Krakow on other websites. --(WT-en) Bill in STL 20:43, 8 September 2010 (EDT)

 * I've removed the "freehost" pattern that was triggering this. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:19, 8 September 2010 (EDT)

 * Why not just modify the pattern to "freehost\."? (WT-en) LtPowers 08:23, 9 September 2010 (EDT)

 * We could do that, too, but our blacklist is getting excessively long and started to produce a number of false positives, so per I figured it could just be removed and if we start getting spam with that pattern then it can be re-visited. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:18, 9 September 2010 (EDT)

www dot omeida dot com dot cn
I don't know why I can't save the web address above. It's the official website of Omeida Chinese Academy. Please help to remove this site from the blacklist. Thank you very much! —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Lsz0719 (talk • contribs)

 * That pattern doesn't appear to be on our blacklist, so it's possible that it is on the default Mediawiki blacklist or that something else is triggering the spam filter. What article are you trying to edit? -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:46, 12 September 2010 (EDT)

Hello Ryan! I was trying to put the website onto the following pages:

I can only save the website as www.omeida\.com.cn. Whenever I try to save it as www dot omeida dot com doct cn it says "The page you wanted to save was blocked by the spam filter.This is probably caused by a link to an external site." The same thing happens when I try to save the email address info@omeida dot com dot cn on to the page.--(WT-en) Lsz0719 20:35, 13 September 2010 (EDT)talk) • 22:46, 12 September 2010 (EDT)

 * That pattern is on the base Mediawiki blacklist, which generally means that at least one of the Mediawiki sites has experienced significant spam from that URL. Given that they both point at what seems to be the same Chinese language school I'm hesitant to remove the pattern without a very good reason to do so - we've already got a number of language schools listed in our guides, so unfortunately I'm not sure that this one warrants an exception to the blacklist. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:51, 13 September 2010 (EDT)

Thanks for your reply, Ryan. Is there any information we could provide to let you consider remove our website from the blacklist? Our school is the biggest Chinese language school in Yangshuo. I'm sure it is worth being listed on Wikivoyage guides.--(WT-en) Lsz0719 03:11, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

 * Personally, I'd want to know why the site is on the Mediawiki blacklist. A site can get on that list because its owners spammed a Mediawiki site, or one of its servers was compromised and was used for spamming, or for several other reasons.  My understanding is that it's fairly difficult to get on the Mediawiki blacklist, so once a site is on there I think we should respect that list unless there is a really good reason to make an exception. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:10, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

moroccantravels dot com
See Special:Contributions/(WT-en) Morocco, Special:Contributions/41.250.175.172, Special:Contributions/41.141.111.186, and probably others. All pointers to Tour and Project:Don't tout have been ignored, with listings re-added to multiple sections of the Morocco article several times per day for several days. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:42, 22 September 2010 (EDT)
 * Generalized to remove the .com, to catch attempts like this . — (WT-en) D. Guillaime 22:09, 22 September 2010 (EDT)
 * I've removed the "s" in "travels" as this user is persisting. While we sometimes remove patterns from the blacklist if users read these messages and agree to abide by our policies, in this case the touting seems so egregious that I would highly recommend that this business not be permitted to place any listings at all on Wikivoyage. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:34, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
 * I think it's fine to block these guys as most of them are really persistant and Marocco is heavily touted... (WT-en) jan 10:44, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

Can't add my listing for Assisi, Umbria
I am trying to add

 * Vacation rental apartments in historic stone farmhouse near Assisi.

in Assisi, Umbria but I keep getting an edit error. What am I doing wrong?!? I am following the template provided.

 * There was a URL already on that page that triggered the blacklist. I've removed it, so the article is again editable, but please read our guidelines for apartment listings. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:19, 25 September 2010 (EDT)

Special:Contributions/(WT-en) Ec21
This user has been busily adding the official tourism web site for the country of South Korea to dozens of articles. Since per Project:External links this link is appropriate for the South Korea article (and only the South Korea article) a permanent blacklisting is inappropriate, but how would people feel about temporarily removing it from the South Korea article and then adding it to the blacklist as a way to try and get this user's attention? It is a waste of time for the user to keep adding it to articles, and a waste of time for patrollers to then revert those additions. Since the user isn't responding to talk page messages I'm not sure what other options are available. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:26, 14 October 2010 (EDT)

gopalantravels
A tour operator has added this listing to Kumbakonam at least a dozen times, and been reverted with pointers provided to the Tour and advertising policies each time. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:08, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

mohammad66kw
See Special:Contributions/(WT-en) Mohd faidi. User has been giving multiple pointers to Project:Don't tout and continues to spam Jordan and other articles. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:09, 23 October 2010 (EDT)

Carddoor
See Special:Contributions/(WT-en) Rita KC. There isn't even any pretense of usefulness for travelers - the user is simply deleting large chunks of articles and adding in spammy advertising. I deleted the user page and am quickly blacklisting this one as I suspect she will hit as many articles as possible. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:26, 26 October 2010 (EDT)

shankarpur dot co dot in
As far as I'm aware Shankarpur is our current most regularly spammed article - touts have been changing phone numbers nightly in that article for months. Lately the above URL has also been appearing in the article. Some pointers were provided to Project:External links, but as the link continues to regularly be re-added and reverted it's worth adding to the blacklist. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:54, 3 November 2010 (EDT)

khaolakscubaadventures
An anonymous user keeps returning to place seven copies of the same listing on the Similan Islands (two examples of several: here and here). Pointers to Project:Don't tout in edit summaries and on talk pages haven't worked, so let's give the blacklist a try. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:22, 29 November 2010 (EST)

By train
Malda is well connected by Railways. There are some direct trains from the local main station, i.e. Malda Town; connecting Bangalore, Chennai, Bhubaneswar, Kolkata, Dibrugarh, New Delhi etc."

What's wrong here?

 * John, in the Malda had been some spam filter items from professional Bengali spammer that pester our articles in that area. I cleaned the article and you can now edit the whole article. (WT-en) jan 10:37, 17 December 2010 (EST)

Thanks @jan

hawaiianpaddlesports dot com
See Special:Contributions/70.95.107.198. User added five or more listings to the Maui article and did not respond to pointers to Project:Don't tout left in the article history and on the user's talk page. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:16, 31 December 2010 (EST)

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MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist

Question: how to "whitelist" (for example) www.geocities.com/bamboosu/ without whitelisting the entire geocities.com domain?

Casinos
Las Vegas contains several "....casino (dot) com" websites that are blocked by the spam filter. The page cannot be edited as a result. The following URLs are affected:
 * www.aladdincasino (dot) com
 * www.goldcoastcasino (dot) com
 * www.mainstreetcasino (dot) com
 * www.fremontcasino (dot) com

The page at http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Cairns has a valid link to our local ca s in  o but this stops further changes to the page so /  needs to be added to the whitelist

 * I can't save the Las Vegas page despite the fact that alladdincasino (dot) com is listed on this whitelist. (Update) It gets weirder... if I just try to edit the "On the Strip" section under "Sleep", even if I remove all text and try to save I get a spam filter error.  Something is not right. -- (WT-en) Ryan 01:08, 17 Feb 2006 (EST)

albury-wodonga .com
(WT-en) Nurg indicated this one was needed for Albury-Wodonga, but it still seems to be blocked due to a rule against donga .com. -- (WT-en) Ryan 00:20, 10 Dec 2005 (EST)

expo2010china dot com
expo2010china dot com is the official Expo 2010 site, but it hits the china dot com blacklist.

And would it be possible to disable spam filtering for this talk page question mark It apostrophe is kind of annoying dot dot dot (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:10, 17 Dec 2005 (EST)

Pharamacy Museum
New Orleans/French Quarter apparently has an actual museum of antique pharmaceuticals. -- (WT-en) Colin 00:55, 12 Feb 2006 (EST)

Milford
Hi. I had problems with links when updating Milford_Sound in the german Wikivoyage. It seems that every domain including the term "milford" gets blocked. So I added the term to the whitelist, hopefully it works now. (WT-en) Thorsten 05:55, 15 Feb 2006 (EST)

casinovenezia.it
Added this because it appears to be an actual casino in Cottonera. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:57, 16 Feb 2006 (EST)

NY NY casino
I added the "New York, New York" casino in Vegas. It didn't seem to help, so I did the usual html-comment workaround. -- (WT-en) Colin 02:16, 17 Feb 2006 (EST)

gb\.com
CBGB is a music venue in New York (city)/East Village that's gettin' blocked. (WT-en) Majnoona 20:18, 20 April 2006 (EDT)

 * It didn't work for me so I rolled it back to gb\.com again while I think about it. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:20, 20 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Weird. As long as we have a note here as to what it's for I don't mind. But it's prolly best to have it as specific as possible... (WT-en) Majnoona 20:22, 20 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Okay, I give up. I don't understand why whitelisting cbgb-com didn't work although whitelisting bg-com does. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:23, 20 April 2006 (EDT)

The "New York (city)/East Village" entry cannot be edited while gb\.com is blacklisted. Today, while I've been trying to edit the East Village entry, gb\.com has been repeatedly deleted from the white list. Can you imagine how frustrating it is to have your work repeatedly disappear because someone doesn't pay attention even after I write a note under "history" saying why you shouldn't delete the whitelisting of gb\.com? The procedure for editing the East Village article is to temporarily whitelist gb\.com, save the edited article, and then reedit the whitelist to delete gb\.com. It's a lousy workaround, and maybe it would be best to simply get rid of the blacklist for that site, but the workaround sure doesn't work when people sabotage it. SO PLEASE QUIT IT! Thank you, and sorry for the frustration; I'm sure you had good intentions.

Why is it important to have a spam blacklist anyway, and why is it important for gb\.com to be on the blacklist?

Michael 0:25, Apr 21 2006 (UTC), edited 17:40, Apr 22 2006 (UTC)

 * It's pretty imporant to have a spam blacklist. We used to have a pretty much round-the-clock job of trying to suppress the spam links manually before we instituted the blacklist.  That said, it's pretty clear that cbgb is not spam. Let's add the exact URL to the whitelist.  I'm not sure how the gb URL got into the spamlist, but it's almost certainly for a very good reason -- (WT-en) Mark 14:52, 22 April 2006 (EDT)

 * I think the user who removed gb.com may not have had good intentions, but rather was experimenting to see what was blocking their actual spam. It's hard to say.  We used to get an awful lot of Chinese language spamlinks, and it's sort of weird trying to figure out which regex blocks them and not.  Sorry for the inconvenience. -- (WT-en) Mark 15:00, 22 April 2006 (EDT)

kb-backpackers\.com\.my
Why is this in the spam blacklist? I had to temporarily put it in the whitelist before I could edit the article about Kota Bharu.

Michael 09:50, May 05, 2006 (UTC)

stbishoy\.8k\.com
It is the official web page of the Monastery of Anba Bischoi in Wadi en-Natrun in Egypt.

Milford
Spam filter is blocking the first 4 letters of Milford. -- (WT-en) Huttite 05:24, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

Chinese websites
There's a very unrestrictive filter in place for .cn websites. I've had to add a bunch from Beijing. (WT-en) Deconstruct 04:05, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Added another one for \w+ .sh .cn, which is startlingly broad; see also Project:Local spam blacklist. -- (WT-en) D. Guillaime 02:29, 8 February 2010 (EST)

Indian website
My web site "http://www (dot)uvatoursindia(dot)com"" is included in the spam black list .This web site is not a spam .So please take the necessary action to include it in the white list.(WT-en) uvatoursindia 08:21,27 June 2008 (EDT)

 * Special:Contributions/123.236.80.36 says otherwise, and anyway, at most we would remove your site from the blacklist, not add it to the whitelist. But I don't see a good reason to do so. And this is looking an awful lot like spamming the whitelist talk page...  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:41, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

The Wolds Retreat
This bed and breakfast is not spam or a third party accommodation broker. It is a registered charity providing a valuable service to visitors of York and East Yorkshire. It has as much right to be listed as the other bed and breakfast listings.

 * You might very well be, and your charity might be a good one. But you need to decide where it's located, and stop adding it elsewhere, and I'm all happy removing it from the blacklist. But adding multiple listings for the same business is considered spamming around here, and is not accepted. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 06:55, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

 * → Local blacklist - The World's retreat
 * → User talk:(WT-en) Cheekykev
 * → User talk:195.137.105.184

almaty-[tramway|trolleybus|bus] dot narod dot ru
These sites contain unofficial maps of Almaty city transport, although they belong to globally banned domain narod dot ru. (WT-en) Robert-Antonio 18:35, 11 January 2011 (EST)

 * I probably don't understand to whitelist syntax. I'd like to put links to Almaty city transport maps (almaty-tramway.narod DOT ru/map/atm02-2009.gif, almaty-trolleybus.narod DOT ru/04-2009.jpg and almaty-bus.narod DOT ru/lines.html, so I put their domains to local spam whitelist. But despite all, when I try to put the links to page, the site blocks them, because they match \bnarod DOT ru\b pattern. What do I wrong? (WT-en) Robert-Antonio 08:42, 15 January 2011 (EST)

hotels.com
I added this website to the whitelist per Travellers' pub. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:35, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

www.thebridges-shopping.com
The SPAM filter triggered when I tried to add this URL for a shopping centre in Sunderland. I think something triggered on shopping.com without realising that was not the domain. This link is unimportant and so there is no need to fix this, but I thought it worth noting. AlasdairW (talk) 20:19, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Seems important to me, AlasdairW. I added that URL to the whitelist. You should be able to add it now; let me know if you have any problem. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:13, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

youtu.be
Gets blocked by the spam filter. I've added it here so it is easier to post links to YouTube from our phones on talk pages. The dog2 (talk) 19:58, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

linktr.ee
Whitelisted. See User talk:Crimsundawn and this edit summary. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:52, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

forms.gle
See the logs. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 01:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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Wikivoyage talk:Logbook archives

Logbooks haven't been up to date since June 2006
It is tedious work, but what needs to be done is search for "July 2006" which will give all the log entries for that month. Those need to be added to the Project:July 2006 page.. and so on, till March 2007.

And it would be great if significant milestones were updated on the Project home page. There must be a better way to maintain the ship's log. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 08:23, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

 * I'd very much like to use the Calendar Extension for MediaWiki to do that. Wikevent News works really well, and I think it would be helpful here. --(WT-en) Evan 10:50, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Archiving
Should we just bury all of this into an archive? --Peterfitzgerald (talk) 17:31, 9 September 2012 (CEST)

 * Not sure what you mean exactly, but I think we could at least merge all the separate day pages into the month pages. Now we have a huge amount of pages with just one or two sentences in them. --Globe-trotter (talk) 19:05, 7 October 2012 (CEST)

Logbook archive
Just been looking at some historical pages at Logbook archives and was just wondering if any of it is really worth keeping? A number of them are just notes about upgading the mediawiki software. There may be the odd thing worth keeping but I didn't spot anything myself. -- WOSlinker (talk) 14:57, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Good point. Almost all of the individual entries contain nothing but a single sentence or less. If we don't decide to delete it all, we could at the very least compile all that entire history into a single page and delete all the individual entry/container pages. That's what we did with them over on pt:. Texugo (talk) 15:20, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Should I look through them all & post a list of the ones that are just about software upgrades which could then be deleted. This would just leave those with announcments about content or milestones. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:16, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Jul-Aug 2003 does seem to have some interesting stuff... maybe the notable stuff should be saved to one page. --Rschen7754 22:20, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Here's the 2004 & 2005 ones that seem to be less useful: 14 July 2004, 6 August 2004, 10 October 2004, 12 November 2004, 16 November 2004, 18 November 2004, 25 November 2004, 22 January 2005, 7 February 2005, 8 February 2005, 9 February 2005, 13 February 2005, 14 February 2005, 15 February 2005, 17 February 2005, 1 March 2005, 12 April 2005, 2 May 2005, 5 May 2005, 16 May 2005, 28 May 2005, 29 May 2005, 30 May 2005, 3 November 2005, 10 November 2005, 16 November 2005, 14 December 2005 -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:50, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Doesn't the logbook contain some entries which are inaccurate because they were copied from Wikitravel with the word "Wikivoyage" being substituted? For example: "July 24th, 2003: Wikivoyage goes live on the Internet! Hip hip hooray!" But that was Wikitravel -- Wikivoyage didn't exist them. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:39, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

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Wikivoyage talk:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) logo contest

Great job! --(WT-en) Evan 13:32, 22 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Status
I don't see the new logo... (WT-en) BayernMann 19:27, 8 Sep 2005 (EDT)

 * I've been working on touching it up and incorporating some ideas from the other entries. Meanwhile (WT-en) Evan who will have to install it is kindof busy right now.  For what it's worth I'm spending a good chunk of my vacation time right now working on a new skin which incorporates the new logo.  Of course everyone will get their say. -- (WT-en) Mark 20:59, 8 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 * Thanks for info. (WT-en) BayernMann 17:35, 9 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Why is the Wikitravel logo T capitalized?
This is probably the silliest question yet for the pub, but if the FAQ says that Wikitravel has only one capital letter, why is the "t" capitalized in the Wikitravel logo at the top left of the screen? -- (WT-en) Mikito 01:30, 22 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * Good question. An even better question is why the background is not transparent, because it looks like arse against a non-white background.  Any graphics gurus out there?  The original file is floating around somewhere, right...? 203.147.0.44 06:15, 22 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * There's a fairly high-resolution png around with transparency. I suppose I could grab that and do some work on it.  That said, I would rather have an svg version, and notes about the font used.

 * In all honesty I'm not a big fan of the logo for a bunch of reasons, but the decision was made before I had finished my entry. I've always thought that it would be better to have a very iconic version of a compass card or a compass star instead, but hey, that's just one opinion. -- (WT-en) Mark 08:26, 22 Jun 2005 (EDT)

What about a new logo?

 * I'm with (WT-en) Mark on not being a big fan of the logo as it stands - I also think a stylised compass card would be a great icon for Wikitravel.... Can we get support for a new logo competition perhaps? I'm thinking also with an eye to the future.... Should we ever do any merchandising, à la Wikipedia - and I think this would be a great way to "spread the message" - the current logo's gonna look awful, especially on a T-shirt.... So whadya reckon? Call for new logo designs, followed by a vote......? (WT-en) Pjamescowie 08:44, 22 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * I'm for it. (WT-en) Gutzka did a nice job with the current logo, but I think it's been hard to work with since we don't have a vector-graphics version. The fact that the name is spelled wrong (!) has always stuck in my craw, too.

 * Project:Logo contest is still up. Why don't you run with it? --(WT-en) Evan 10:24, 22 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * OK, so I've updated Project:Logo contest and the Logo Contest Entry page.... Can everyone take a look at the fairly arbitrary dates I put in and say what they think regarding the timing? Next question: How do we now draw attention to the logo contest? Announcement on the Main Page? Email all users? Make an announcement elsewhere? Suggestions / thoughts? (WT-en) Pjamescowie 13:32, 22 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * One month plus seems reasonable, and it's on the Main Page now. Let's hope we get more than one entry this time... (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:44, 22 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Maybe this should be a bit more iterative?
I also think the updates to the logo contest page are great, but I'm wondering a bit about the process. I'm thinking that a multi-staged approach would be better, with a dead-line for submitting draft proposals, followed by normal wiki-type discussions, and iterations with a later deadline for final work product. That way participating designers can work more collaboratively than competitively. We can keep the concept of a final vote though in case competing teams emerge. What do you think? -- (WT-en) Mark 06:23, 23 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * The more I think about it the less happy I am with calling this a "Contest". I think making a logo should be (actually pretty much has to be) a collaborative process, and people aren't too willing to collaborate when something is called a contest.  Even if there is no prize! -- (WT-en) Mark 11:54, 23 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * I full heartedly agree. At first I was reluctant to put in my submission early for fear that someone would steal my work. I guess I like winning. But then I realized that winning the contest would win me nothing. I think having people collaborate will lead to a better logo than making people feel pressure to win. BTW, I ended posting my submission early, for feedback. --(WT-en) Comrade009 23:08, 24 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Merchandising?
Quote: it'll look awful on merchandising / publicity, and it's mis-spelled!

So WikiTravel is a commercial enterprise, is it? Well, well. (Can't see the misspelling, though!). -- (WT-en) Picapica 20:49, 23 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * Not-for-profit entities sell stuff all the time. For instance I have an umbrella from the bookshop at the International Commitee for the Red Cross building. -- (WT-en) Mark 00:46, 24 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * And Wikitravel does not even have to sell it. There are sites where we could upload an image, and users could order T-shirts with that image without any economic involvement of Wikitravel. It would just be a way for Wikitravelrs to print whatever they want on a T-shirt --(WT-en) elgaard 10:25, 4 Jul 2005 (EDT)
 * And the misspelling is "WikiTravel" when it should be Wikitravel (small t). (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:02, 24 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Other Languages
Has the logo contest been announced in the other language Wikitravels? Graphic designers don't only speak english, you know. --(WT-en) Comrade009 19:21, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * I posted it up on the Japanese front page. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:00, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * It's ok for the French Wikitravel too. --(WT-en) Quirk 02:36, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * Would it be wrong to translate this page into Japanese, German, French, etc., and just link to en: for the contest entries page? --(WT-en) Evan 11:13, 4 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Status quo: keeping the current logo
I hate to be a sourpuss, not that this has ever stopped me before, but I've been a little underwhelmed by the submissions so far and I kinda like the current logo. It even scales surprisingly well. Could some enterprising artist out there just resample/vectorize/whatever the current logo into an SVG, make the background transparent and maybe replace the font? (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:34, 18 Jul 2005 (EDT)

You just needed to wait a little bit longer. Some of the ones on the page aren't half-bad. -(WT-en) Comrade009 18:17, 31 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Voting process
The entry period ends today (or maybe yesterday), so I think it's high time to agree on a voting process. Here's my suggestion:

 * Voting page created with all submitted entries in random order, author name not shown.
 * Authors may upload new versions during the contest: however, all votes cast for the previous version will be removed.
 * Authors may choose to withdraw their entries at any point in the contest.
 * Vote by signing under the logo of your choice.
 * Everybody gets a maximum of two votes. Votes can be changed and you can vote for the same logo twice.
 * Only votes from registered, signed-in users count. Admins have full discretion for determining vote validity.
 * Two rounds of voting, one week each:
 * After the first round, the top 3 are selected.
 * After the second round, the winner is selected.
 * In the event of a tie in either round, voting continues until a tie-breaker vote is cast.

Sounds OK? (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:36, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * If we must use voting to make this decision, then I think that with this many candidates perhaps elimination rounds might be better. Maybe kindof like one of those tv shows.  It is kindof a similar excercise. -- (WT-en) Mark 08:41, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * I definetly agree. Since we have so many entries, the votes might get really spread out, and the winner probably won't have a clear majority. I also think that they used runoff voting for deciding the wikipedia logo. How about after each round of voting, half the logos (the ones with the least votes) are thrown out?

 * In retrospect, I think this should have been discussed a little earlier. :( --(WT-en) Comrade009 11:45, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * One more thing: on the voting page, I suggest that we display the entries at the size that would most likely be used. Some logos may look great when they are 500px across, but not so hot when shrunk to 150px. --(WT-en) Comrade009 11:47, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * Looks good with three comments:
 * Removing all votes for changing versions will prevent people from responding to suggestions for improvement. So long as users can change their votes then I don't think there should be any penalty for minor logo changes.
 * There seems to be a good possibility that three of the entries (I won't say which three...) might get several votes from sock puppets. Not sure how to prevent that.
 * I like Mark's idea about an iterative vote, how about something like votes in the first week will determine the three finalists, and votes in the second week determine the final logo?
 * And agree with Comrade009, this needs to get going soon since the front page advertises that voting starts on Aug 1. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 17:11, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * I meant that a change to a logo invalidates previous votes for that version, but people can (and should!) recast their votes for it if they still like it. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:24, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * Does the media wiki software have any voting tools built into it? For the Wikipedia Board elections, they had people log into vote. They even had a required 400 edits in order to vote. But then again, maybe someone specifically wrote the script for the election. :( --(WT-en) Comrade009 18:33, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * Admins will have full discretion in weeding out sock puppets. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:24, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * I like the changes and agree that this needs to get going soon. Barring any disagreements I'd say start the first round tonight at midnight EDT and let it run 7 days. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 22:52, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * A shucks, it looks like I started a little early. It's only 11:49. ;) --(WT-en) Comrade009 23:49, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Voting page created
I've taken the liberty of starting the actual voting page. Once the rules are agreed upon, we can add them to the page. My big concern, however, is that people submitted multiple image, but as one logo/treatment. Should we just tally the votes for the multiple logos as votes for one logo? Also, will people be allowed to spend both their votes on one logo? Once someone higher up (an admin maybe) thinks the page is ready, we can post it on the main page. --(WT-en) Comrade009 18:57, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * Problem with multiple versions is that if you can cast two votes, then you can vote for the same logo twice... maybe this should be explicitly allowed then?  And I agree that a first round to weed out the chaff and then a second round for the winner is a Good Idea(tm). (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:24, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Vfd discussion
Moved discussion from Travellers' pub.

There are several WT project pages that have nothing to do with Wikivoyage and are not needed for historical purposes. We will develop our own history as time passes and these pages are from a fork that really has nothing to do with us and are not needed for any type of history that applies to Wikivoyage. I think these pages and links to them should be deleted. And any other pages that apply to WT only and are not needed to justify policies we are continuing on Wikivoyage. All of these pages will have equivalent Wikivoyage pages now and in the future. If someone wants to know the information covered in those pages, then they should visit WT. What are the thoughts of others? Should we start a discussion page on this? - Tom Holland (Xltel) (talk) 07:34, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Project:10K Party
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) awards
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) milestones
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) press coverage
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) logo contest
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) logo contest entries
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) logo contest results
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) logo voting page
 * Oppose. Bear in mind that the history of Wikitravel up to the last data dump IS our history, along with the history of Wikivoyage between the fork and the reconnect, and all that has happened since. We who were Wikitravel have no need to pretend that we were not Wikitravel. Our disagreement was not with the community of contributors or with our past, it was with IB, who in spite of owning the name and the server, are not the people or the content. I do not support suppression or denial of that history. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 12:07, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand your point and I agree totally that Wikitravel is "MY" history and our history and I am not ever going to pretend it was not my/our history. This is "our" history and I am not suggesting anyone pretend we did not come from Wikitravel or that there is any disagreement with the Wikitravel community in the past. I have been a big part of that Wikitravel past very active as an Administrator/contributor and will be a part of the future of WV. I have tried my best to help WV with edits and cleanup where I could and will continue. But as time goes on some of these older pages may get a bit more muddy and confusing to new Wikivoyagers. We have changed "Wikitravel" to "Wikivoyage" just about everywhere on the site including talk pages when were talking specifically about Wiki""travel"". To be honest I don't really like that very much and it causes additional confusion in my opinion, but I figured there were legal issues (I apologize I have not read all the comments and discussions in that area). I never thought it was a purge of "our" history. When I was on Wikitravel in my past life and put comments on a talk pages and mentioned Wikitravel it was about Wikitravel, but now all my references and everyone's references to Wikitravel have been changed to Wikivoyage. If you go to User talk:Xltel/Mar 2006 you can see where I was welcomed to "Wikivoyage" in December 2005, but we know that is not the case. I am now on Wikivoyage and as we go forward I expect we will get farther apart from the content, policies, goals and overall objectives of Wikitravel. New people will have new ideas and as time goes on we will move farther apart from where WT and WV are now. Please don't think I have any difference in agreement whatsoever in your comments, just looking for some better organization on the old Wikitravel content going forward, maybe deleting is not the solution and possibly the way it is now is the best way to keep it. My comment on not needing it for historical purposes really applies to they are not needed to explain development of policy. Obviously, there is no rush or need to delete anything and we can discuss organization of our history going forward. Happy New Year! - Tom Holland (Xltel) (talk) 17:40, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Tom, next time when you nominate something for deletion, please do so at Votes for deletion. @Peter, I agree with you but then at-least we should have some information on this site about our (WV) background so that people who will join this community sooner may learn about our history. Happy new year everybody! --Saqib (talk) 18:46, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I agree with Peter. These historical pages should be kept, albeit perhaps in an archive section or tagged as historical.
 * I also agree with Tom, and perhaps go farther than he would. To me it seems obvious that, except where there are compelling legal reasons not to, the WT->WV substitutions on talk pages should all be undone. Pashley (talk) 20:51, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I concur, though I fear it may be too late for the latter. LtPowers (talk) 22:16, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The WT→WV substititions are particularly annoying on pages such as User:(WT-en) IBobi, where it says that Internet Brands owns Wikivoyage. It would be nice to have those undone, but maybe there are legal reasons not to. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:49, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * We should try and undo substitutions that don't make sense by hand. Most substitutions were OK, though, since most mentions are just referring to our project, and it is the same project, albeit with less-douchey hosts and a different name. --Peter Talk 23:53, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Keep per Peter S. --Peter Talk 23:53, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Outcome: kept. --Peter Talk 22:51, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


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Wikivoyage talk:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) logo contest entries

9/11 logo
Image:Sop11logo.jpg was added by User:(WT-en) Sexy Fried Chicken during a self-proclaimed (see User talk:(WT-en) Willy on Wheels!) vandalism spree today. According to Project:How to handle unwanted edits vandalism can be reverted, so the submission has been reverted. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 17:30, 7 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Page blanking
Y'know, you can find out who uploaded an image by (gasp) clicking on it, so blanking the entry page is pointless... (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:51, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)
 * Fudgepackers. I realized that after making the edit. --``

Vfd discussion
Moved discussion from Travellers' pub.

There are several WT project pages that have nothing to do with Wikivoyage and are not needed for historical purposes. We will develop our own history as time passes and these pages are from a fork that really has nothing to do with us and are not needed for any type of history that applies to Wikivoyage. I think these pages and links to them should be deleted. And any other pages that apply to WT only and are not needed to justify policies we are continuing on Wikivoyage. All of these pages will have equivalent Wikivoyage pages now and in the future. If someone wants to know the information covered in those pages, then they should visit WT. What are the thoughts of others? Should we start a discussion page on this? - Tom Holland (Xltel) (talk) 07:34, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Project:10K Party
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) awards
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) milestones
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) press coverage
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) logo contest
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) logo contest entries
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) logo contest results
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) logo voting page
 * Oppose. Bear in mind that the history of Wikitravel up to the last data dump IS our history, along with the history of Wikivoyage between the fork and the reconnect, and all that has happened since. We who were Wikitravel have no need to pretend that we were not Wikitravel. Our disagreement was not with the community of contributors or with our past, it was with IB, who in spite of owning the name and the server, are not the people or the content. I do not support suppression or denial of that history. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 12:07, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand your point and I agree totally that Wikitravel is "MY" history and our history and I am not ever going to pretend it was not my/our history. This is "our" history and I am not suggesting anyone pretend we did not come from Wikitravel or that there is any disagreement with the Wikitravel community in the past. I have been a big part of that Wikitravel past very active as an Administrator/contributor and will be a part of the future of WV. I have tried my best to help WV with edits and cleanup where I could and will continue. But as time goes on some of these older pages may get a bit more muddy and confusing to new Wikivoyagers. We have changed "Wikitravel" to "Wikivoyage" just about everywhere on the site including talk pages when were talking specifically about Wiki""travel"". To be honest I don't really like that very much and it causes additional confusion in my opinion, but I figured there were legal issues (I apologize I have not read all the comments and discussions in that area). I never thought it was a purge of "our" history. When I was on Wikitravel in my past life and put comments on a talk pages and mentioned Wikitravel it was about Wikitravel, but now all my references and everyone's references to Wikitravel have been changed to Wikivoyage. If you go to User talk:Xltel/Mar 2006 you can see where I was welcomed to "Wikivoyage" in December 2005, but we know that is not the case. I am now on Wikivoyage and as we go forward I expect we will get farther apart from the content, policies, goals and overall objectives of Wikitravel. New people will have new ideas and as time goes on we will move farther apart from where WT and WV are now. Please don't think I have any difference in agreement whatsoever in your comments, just looking for some better organization on the old Wikitravel content going forward, maybe deleting is not the solution and possibly the way it is now is the best way to keep it. My comment on not needing it for historical purposes really applies to they are not needed to explain development of policy. Obviously, there is no rush or need to delete anything and we can discuss organization of our history going forward. Happy New Year! - Tom Holland (Xltel) (talk) 17:40, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Tom, next time when you nominate something for deletion, please do so at Votes for deletion. @Peter, I agree with you but then at-least we should have some information on this site about our (WV) background so that people who will join this community sooner may learn about our history. Happy new year everybody! --Saqib (talk) 18:46, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I agree with Peter. These historical pages should be kept, albeit perhaps in an archive section or tagged as historical.
 * I also agree with Tom, and perhaps go farther than he would. To me it seems obvious that, except where there are compelling legal reasons not to, the WT->WV substitutions on talk pages should all be undone. Pashley (talk) 20:51, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I concur, though I fear it may be too late for the latter. LtPowers (talk) 22:16, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The WT→WV substititions are particularly annoying on pages such as User:(WT-en) IBobi, where it says that Internet Brands owns Wikivoyage. It would be nice to have those undone, but maybe there are legal reasons not to. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:49, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * We should try and undo substitutions that don't make sense by hand. Most substitutions were OK, though, since most mentions are just referring to our project, and it is the same project, albeit with less-douchey hosts and a different name. --Peter Talk 23:53, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Keep per Peter S. --Peter Talk 23:53, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Outcome: kept. --Peter Talk 22:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)