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Talk:Kochi

As we're still using Madras for Chennai and Bombay for Mumbai, I suspect this page should be moved to Cochin, or has "Kochi" been established as the most frequently used name in the traveller's community? (WT-en) Akubra 16:28, 6 Apr 2004 (EDT)

I found this to be quite a problem when traveling around India (particularly travelling by train). Most towns or cities seem to have two or more names which are used interchangeably by the locals.

 * I'd like to second moving this to Cochin — partly to disambiguate from Japan's Kochi prefecture on the island of Shikoku. (WT-en) Jpatokal

 * Unlike Madras and Bombay, Kochi was always called as Kochi by people of Keralam, so comparison to Madras and Bombay is not right. Personally I dont mind moving to name cochin. But what (WT-en) Jpatokal done is vandalism by changing content of the page. -bijee

 * Huh? Either we call it Cochin or Kochi, but not both in the same article! (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:37, 18 Oct 2004 (EDT)
 * So I corrected it to Kochi -Bijee

 * If we can agree on Kochi (and this needs a few more opinions), the article should be moved to "Kochi (India)" since there is also a Japanese Kochi. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:37, 18 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * "Kochi (India)" is again disambigus as Current Kochi is formed by unification of Old Kochi City and Ernakulam City. So better option will be moving to Kochi-Ernakulam. Also pl. move Japanese Kochi to Kochi prefecture then create a disambiguation page like Kochi -Bijee

 * Kochi is both a prefecture and a city in Japan. "Kochi-Ernakulam" is not an option because we have to use the most common name of the city. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:56, 19 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * Then why not keep your page at "Kochi (Japan)" and original page at Kochi with a link to "Kochi (Japan)" -Bijee

Towns in Kochi regions
added towns in Ernakulam District.

Uhhhh, is Kochi a city or a region or both? From reading the page it seems to jump around from talking about districts / regions / towns-within-towns and so on. Quit a muddle. I'll try and work on it, but anyone with actual knowledge of the ara please jump in! (WT-en) Majnoona 14:38, 13 Feb 2006 (EST)

It is both. Kochi is often used for the whole city, part of the city (Fort Kochi and around) and the erstwhile Kingdom of Kochi. To confuse things further "Ernakulam" is often used interchangeably with Kochi. Gingerjoos (talk) 07:02, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

should have a disambiguation page
Kochi which is the common name for this town takes us to Kochi in Japan. I think there should be a disambiguation page.

wow, what a mess!
As I understand it, Kochi is a city, which encompasses Ernakulam, Ft. Cochin and the other nearby islands. I spent a few months in the area earlier this year, and this seems to be pretty standard... it is also the way it's described in the popular guidebooks such as LP... (WT-en) Cacahuate 09:34, 22 October 2006 (EDT)

Archived VfD for Kochi (Kerala)

 * Delete: duplication of Cochin, maybe copied from Cochin. -- (WT-en) Tatata 09:13, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
 * Shouldn't it be redirected then? (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 09:52, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
 * Yes, it should be redirected. (WT-en) Pashley 01:39, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
 * Out of curiosity, why is it "Cochin" on Wikivoyage when the city is more widely known as Kochi? Even on the article itself, it is referred to as Kochi everywhere except as its page name. It seems like Cochin should redirect to Kochi. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 11:02, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
 * Actually, the up-to-date name is Kochi . Anyone against a reverse redirect? (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 19:47, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

 * Result: Redirected by User:(WT-en) Cacahuate on May 16. (WT-en) LtPowers 21:24, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

Kochi or Cochin
This has been brought up numerous times on this talk page and I brought it up on the vote for deletion, but since it was archived without a decision being reached, I'd like to bring this one up again: Isn't "Cochin" the old and outdated name for this city? Isn't "Kochi" both the most common reference to this city, as well as the actual name of the city (hence the most common way to refer to it)?

The initial discussion of this doesn't make any sense. It was dismissed because the "name is taken" by the Japanese city, but some cities do have the same name. The Indian city is by far better known than the Japanese city, but that doesn't matter. Why can't they both be allowed to exist under their actual names?

If the problem is simply that no one wants to take the time to move the content, I'll offer to do it myself. The disambiguation page is already there. It'd be nice to address this directly rather than continuously ignoring or glossing over it. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 22:11, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
 * I was actually going to move Cochin to Kochi (Kerala) when I closed the VfD, but then I noticed that Cacahuate had already redirected it the other way (on the same day the article was nommed, actually). It would be fairly simple to delete the redirect and move Cochin if that's what we want to do.  (WT-en) LtPowers 08:12, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
 * OK I did the renaming. The assumption is that Kochi did not have any useful history, which seems to be the case. There are many instances of "Cochin" through the article that need to be replaced. I will get to them, but if anyone wants to have a go, please feel free. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 09:12, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
 * OK done. Looks like lots of hotels, etc. still have Cochin in their name, so they stay. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 09:20, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

LOL
I don't understand if I'm reading a travel guide or a history book? Too much information :P. -(WT-en) SnappyHip 22:50, 9 March 2010 (GST)

blood banks
Hospital info is potentially useful, but is it necessary to list Blood Banks? (WT-en) Shep 17:04, 26 March 2010 (EDT)

Jewelry stores
Do we really need sixteen jewelry stores? Given the already ridiculously long Buy section, I think we can get by with one or two, max. (WT-en) Texugo 03:28, 27 March 2010 (EDT)

 * No we don't. This article is getting very unwieldy and is out of control just as the Kerala state article became. Going back to correct all of this later is a huge amount of work as I have found with Kerala.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 03:31, 27 March 2010 (EDT)

 * Paul Alukkas Jewellery, opposite Maharaja`s College Stadium, MG Road. A large jeweller, featuring gold, diamond and silver collections.

 * Malabar Gold, Jewel Junction, Opposite Grand Hotel, MG Road. An extensive gold, platinum and diamond collection as well a latest international brand watches.

 * Joy Alukkas, Alukkas Wedding Center, Marine Drive. An international chain which originated in Kochi.

 * Bhima Jewels, Jewel Junction, MG Road. A traditional jeweller with a large collection of precious stones and a diamond gallery.

 * Josco Jewellers, North End, MG Road. Offers whole-sale rates for bulk purchases. Spread over 4 storeys, it has different levels for diamond, silver and platinum collections.

 * Tanishq Jewellers, Padma Junction, MG Road. A national brand owned by the TATA group, this jeweller is famous for its unique exclusive patented jewel designs, featuring in-house crafted Mughal, Rajasthani and Kerala designs.

 * Sunny Diamonds, Rajaji Road (Chittoor Road area). A celebrated diamond house, featuring original Belgian diamonds, with international warranties. It also has one of the largest De Beers diamond collections in Kochi.

 * D'Damas, KPCC Junction, MG Road. A reputed national chain, one of the oldest diamond traders in India. It features a large collection of in-house branded diamond jewellery.

I cut the above listings, leaving four in the article. Two of them I chose because they have more complete details, and two of them are more or less random. Feel free to swap some back and forth if you have personal knowledge of the shops, but please let's not go back up to a full directory of jewelers. (WT-en) Texugo 11:07, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

Nominations for Guide status
I am nominating Kochi page for guide status, whats your opinions, Buddies?- Kish 19:56, 31 March 2010 (IST)

 * I'm going to say "maybe not yet". The See and Do sections are both almost completely devoid of addresses, phone number, websites, etc. Plus, there are still large chunks of text which contain numerous grammar errors. (WT-en) Texugo 10:18, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

 * You don't really need to nominate for guide status, you can just change it. However, in this case I think it would be changed right back to usable again. Texugo hits most of the issues above. The biggest for me are:

 * the article is stylistically and grammatically poor,
 * some sections are way, way too long
 * there are almost no listings templates used throughout
 * the see and do sections lack addresses (or directions), contact details etc
 * This will be worked through in time (as is happening with Kerala, which is about half done)), and I think Kochi will be up to guide standard after that. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:40, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

 * After a lot of editing by Texugo and myself, it is getting there. The Buy, Eat and Drink sections still need a lot more editing, but the rest is in decent shape now I think.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 13:29, 3 April 2010 (EDT)

Generic fast food outlets
I moved these out of the article. I sugggest two sentences is enough, and these listings are a waste of space, except perhaps the uniquely Kochi establishments. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 02:27, 1 April 2010 (EDT)

Bus routes
We don't need to know every bus stop of every route. I'm putting this here, and hopefully someone can make a single short paragraph or so of what is useful to the traveller. (WT-en) Texugo 00:27, 3 April 2010 (EDT) The main bus routes are

ROUTE 1- ALUVA-FORT COCHIN

Many key routes that pass through the city (from ALUVA etc to Fort Kochi/Thevara Jn etc) will have the following route/stops

 * 1) Kalamassery Apollo Junction
 * 2) South Kalamassery Junction- (Closest point to go Cochin University)
 * 3) Edapally Toll Gate (Its from here NH Byepass road starts)
 * 4) Palarivattom
 * 5) Kaloor (interchange for Long Distance Private Bus Services for Kottayam, Palai, Changanacheri, Mundakayam, Erumeli, Pathanamthitha etc.& night services towads Calicut, Kannur, Wayanad)
 * 6) Lissie Jn (Some Private Long Distance Luxury Bus Operators)
 * 7) Town Hall (Closest point to Ernakulam Town (North) Station)
 * 8) Kacheripady Jn (KSRTC State Transport Bus Stand - 1 km away & MG Road Start)

Some buses split here to take a turn towards left to proceed to Chittoor Road. Some buses take the next left turn from PNVM Junction to enter into MG Road and proceed towards Thevera thro' MG Road. However most of the buses continue their journey from Kacheripady thro' the main Banerjee Road to,

 * 1) High Court Junction (KSINC Boat Jetty for Ferry to Vypeen, Mulavukad, Panambukadu, Ochanthurth, Murikkumpadam & Bolgatty. Align here to catch reverse Route 3 bus operated by private ordinary Bus Services to Vypeen,Cherai Beach,Munabam,North Paravur,Kodungallur via Goshree Bridges starts from here)
 * 2) Menaka Junction (Those who need to go to South Railway station or Tripunithara side, to catch Route 2 Bus, must align here and catch bus Route 2 bus from first bus stand in Menaka)
 * 3) Hospital Junction (align here to reach KSRTC Park Avenue Bus station. Long Distance Private Bus Services to Guruvayoor,Thrissur, Calicut,Irinjalakuda,Kodungallur,North Paravur)
 * 4) KPCC Junction, MG Road
 * 5) South Area- MG Road (Nearest to South Railway Station)
 * 6) Pallimukku
 * 7) Atlantis Junction (Align, if you have to catch Route 4 buses)
 * 8) Thevera Junction
 * 9) Willington Island- Naval Base Stop
 * 10) Island Stop
 * 11) Thoppumpaddy Main stand
 * 12) Fort Cochin- Terminus

ROUTE 2, MENAKA-THRIPUNITHARA

There are many buses start from Aluva, serving on previous route (Route 1, from Aluva) till Menaka and restart in following order.

 * 1) Hospital Junction
 * 2) KPCC Junction
 * 3) Chittoor Road Junction
 * 4) South Bus Stand (the major bus stand just 100 mtrs from South Railway station)
 * 5) Valanjambalam
 * 6) Manorama Junction
 * 7) GCDA Kochu Kadavanthara Stop
 * 8) Kadavanthara Stop
 * 9) Janatha stop
 * 10) Vytilla Bus Stand (a major junction, from where buses to Edapally and Northern areas can be caught at Right Stand, buses to Alleppey, Cherthala etc can be caught at Left Stand, Vaikom and Kottayam at North Stand and City buses at south Stand)
 * 11) Petta Stop
 * 12) Vakekotta Stop
 * 13) Thripunithara Terminus

Some buses proceed further to Udayamperoor, Vaikom direction too after stopping at Thripunithara Terminus

ROUTE 3 VVPIN-HIGH COURT JUNCTION

 * 1) Cherai
 * 2) Njarakkal
 * 3) Vvpin
 * 4) Vallarpadom
 * 5) Bolghatty
 * 6) High Court Main Boat Jetty (Boat Jetty for Ferry to Vypeen, Fort Kochi, Mattencherry, Willingdon Island) Buses of Route 1 and Route 2 can be caught from this area, to proceed further

ROUTE 4- ATLANTIS-KAKKANAD

 * 1) Shipyard Stand
 * 2) Atlantis Stand (Deviates to side road of shipyard)
 * 3) Church Landing (near to Pallimukku)
 * 4) Foreshore Road
 * 5) Park Avenue
 * 6) Marine Drive
 * 7) Kaloor
 * 8) Palarivattom Civil Lane Stop
 * 9) Padivattom Byepass Junction
 * 10) Chembumukku
 * 11) Padamugal
 * 12) Kakkanad Civil Station
 * 13) Infopark

All these services have a reverse service route too.

Buses from/to North Paravur follow the following broad route Kaloor Jn., Edapally,Varapuzha,North Paravur

Some services may operate directly between Alwaye, Edapally, Kakkanad and Vytilla Jn using the Byepass Road via Palarivattom Bye Pass.

Some buses take a turn at Kaloor Junction to enter into Kaloor-Kathrikadu Road, which byepass entering into city and takes to Kadavanthara.

LOW FLOOR A/C BUS ROUTE

Route A- Thoppumpaddy Bus Stand to Airport, via Thevera Bridge, Kundanoor, NH BYEPASS, Vytilla Junction, Padivattom, Edapally Toll Gate, Kalamaserry, Aluva, Desom, Airport.

Route B- Aroor-Angamally by Seaport-Airport road, covering Kakkanad, Thripunithara, Aluva and Angamally

My edit message reads: ''After all the help you are getting with this article, the least you can do is to please stop writing in CAPITALS. Moved to talk page.. YOU sort it out'' --(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:49, 3 April 2010 (EDT) Route 1: Alubas-FORT KOCHI, connecting Aluva town with Fort Kochi via Kalamassery, Edapally, Palarivattom, Kaloor, Lissie Jn, Town Hall Junction (near to North Railway station), Kacheripady, High Court, Menaka, South Area-MG Road, Atlantis, Thevera, Willington Island, Thomppumpaddy, Mattencherry.

Route 2- ALUVA-THRIPUNITHARA, connecting between Aluva town with Thripunithara Terminus. The bus routes services almost all stops of Route and divert from Menaka to Chitoor Road, South Bus stand (near South Railway station), Manorama Jn, Vytilla Jn, Thripunithara terminus. Some of the bus connect further down south of Thripunithara too.

Route 3- VYPIN ISLAND-HIGH COURT, connecting Cherai Beach with High Junction in city, via Njarrakal, Vypin island, Vallarpadom island, Bolgatty island and end at High Court jn, where route 1 and 2 buses can be caught.

Route 4- ATLANTIS-KAKKANAD, connecting from Atlantis Jn in MG Road to Kakkanad via Shipyard, Foreshore Road, Park Avenue, Marine Drive, Kacheripady, Town Hall Jn, Kaloor, Palarivattom, Chembamukku, Padamugal and Infopark

There are several other small routes, virtually connecting every part of the city.

LOW FLOOR A/C BUS ROUTE

Route A- Thoppumpaddy Bus Stand to Airport, via Thevera Bridge, Kundanoor, NH BYEPASS, Vytilla Junction, Padivattom, Edapally Toll Gate, Kalamaserry, Aluva, Desom, Airport.

Route B- Aroor-Angamally by Seaport-Airport road, covering Kakkanad, Thripunithara, Aluva and Angamally --(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:49, 3 April 2010 (EDT)

A wiki Map for Kochi
Hi buddies,

Is someone here possible to make a wikistyle map for Kochi city, that helps to understand the city more better for tourists...... I have no idea how to develop a wiki map- --Kish 21:30, 05 April 2010 (IST)

 * See Project:How to draw a map for some instructions that might help. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:19, 5 April 2010 (EDT)

Infoboxes
I'm going to go ahead and take issue with using infoboxes for this purpose here. There are getting to be too many of them, and some of the information is of dubious value. Let's find another way. (WT-en) Texugo 02:35, 6 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Hi Texugo, can u clarify which part of the information is dubious?- Kish 18:22, 6 April 2010 (IST)
 * Four phone numbers for the airport and six for the rail terminal seems like overkill, and the two airlines probably belong on the India page with a more complete listing and not here. Moreover, I think the useful rate information that is there can be presented a lot more succinctly in prose form in the main text.(WT-en) Texugo 09:02, 6 April 2010 (EDT)

Buy section
Gonna start cutting a little more aggressively, since this article is still one of the longest messes we have. The buy section in particular is a mess of too many options. I started off by cutting the jewelry section to just four listings (see discussion above). Next, I'm cutting the whole electronics section because 1) I'm not sure I believe that electronics are really particularly cheaper than other Indian cities, 2) PCs and many consumer electronics and "white goods" are simply too big for the average to pick up anyway, 3) buying cell phones in another country is not necessarily as simple as just picking one up, and I don't think many travellers go to a foreign country to shop for them. Here's what I yanked:

Electronics
You can buy electronic gadgets at comparatively low rates. for the latest technology, Kochi hosts many large consumer electronics fairs.

Computers and accessories

 * Apple store in Kadavantra,
 * Dell Store in Kadvanthara,
 * HP Store in Oberon Mall
 * Toshibha in Palarivattom and Oberon Mall
 * Lenovo Shop near Edapally High School Junction
 * Sony World located in Atlantis-MG Road as well as in NH Byepass Road
 * Focuz Computers in Banerjee Road-North End offers multi-brand computers and laptops
 * Online IT-Shoppe in Ravipuram and Atlantis Junction in MG road, offers a large collection of latest computer systems of all brands and almost all kind of accessories
 * ITNet Infocom in Sreekandath Road, is famous for its good range of systems, at amazing discounts

Mobile phones
Almost everywhere, you will find small and medium sized shops selling the latest international and national brand phones.

 * Penta Menaka Mobile Mall and 'GCDA Shopping Complex both in Marine Drive are malls purely dedicated to mobile phones and accessories.

Consumer Electronics
For electronics and accessories, there are many stores mostly located in MG Road, Marine Drive and the Palarivattom area. The Electronics Street, oppostie Medical Trust, Pallimukku, is one of the best places for rock bottom prices.

Large white goods centers like QRS (in MG Road and in NH Bypass Road), White Planet (MG Road) and  Bismi (Kaloor, near Stadium), are worth a visit.

(WT-en) Texugo 11:38, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

Hi Texugo

I do not know whether you been to India. Any how I have travelled across many leading cities of Europe as well as Middle East, only to find rates of most of electronics products at half rates in India than in these countries. Recently I brought a Dell laptop from Dubai for AED 4200 (US$1143), however to my surprise I found the same system at Kochi for Rs 38,000 (US$ 855). I used to believe since there is no taxes at Dubai the rate would be lower, but to my surprise in Kochi its more cheaper, making feel frustrated. Even in mobiles and many white goods like cameras, personal grooming or dvd players, the rates are damn more better than many other countries as most of the global majors make India-specific products as India is more price-sensitive country than other regions.

I also found that Kochi has more better prices than other major metros like Bangalore or Delhi, as the city dominated by middle class people, hence more price sensitive than other regions. I wish to recommend that we must have a electronic section in buy, because many foreign tourists are unaware of this major difference in prices than many glitz countries like Singapore or Dubai Kish- 10:30, 7 April 2010 (IST)

 * OK, you restored it all, and I won't blank it again for now but... I can perhaps be convinced that a brief mention and a couple of the best listings might be ok, but I remain wholly unconvinced that we need a section of this size with 15+ listings, because I think most travellers are not interested in buying large consumer electronics, proprietary cell phones, appliances, or expensive cameras while travelling. I'd like to see some others' opinions on this. (WT-en) Texugo 02:00, 8 April 2010 (EDT)
 * I would agree with Texugo. Buying electronics is surely not a common reason for travel to Kochi. Naming a couple of stores or just a brief prose summary is sufficient.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:01, 8 April 2010 (EDT)

Almost ready for guide
Almost. I have finished the drink sections now. I would suggest the following still needs to happen before the article is upgraded to guide: As an aside and not a precursor to guide status, I am exploring whether I could knock together a general districts map for the city.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 06:12, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
 * Buy section still needs culling - see Apparel and Bookshop sections for example.
 * A thorough proof read needs to happen.
 * All references to Cochin should be changed to Kochi (except in the context of the city changing name etc.)--(WT-en) Burmesedays 06:11, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
 * I am wondering about the Kochi/Cochin thing as to whether the old name is kept in certain place or event names. For example, it could be the case that the Cochin Carnival or the Cochin Golf Club actually use "Cochin" as part of their event/club name.

Hi buddies, Yes even today many people continues to refer Kochi as Cochin and vice-versa. This is because, earlier during British Raj days, Cochin was the English name used to refer British Cochin, whereas in all Royal records of Kochi Kingdom which was in Malayalam used to refer the place as Kochi. Hence usage of both names became common. In 1997, the govt of Kerala made an official policy to use Malayalam name of all cities, following the National policy of renaming most of cities. However the Kerala govt policy was restricted to renaming Trivandrum into Thiruvananthapuram, whereas no official order was passed in regard to Kochi, due to ambiguity exists, whether Cochin was the official name of the city or not. As as result most of the govt websites and tourism dept used to call the city as KOCHI, whereas most of the private establishments used to refer the city as COCHIN, which is commonly referred in many places.

 * For example Kochi's airport is called Cochin International Airport Limited (CIAL). The golf clubs, yacht club, marina, Naval base, Shipyard etc continues to be known as Cochin.

 * Another issue is that there is no single place called COCHIN or KOCHI. It is a collective name, for all the distinct districts of the city. This makes naming more complex - KISH 9:30, 9 April 2010 (IST)

 * Opening hours have never really been a hang up for guide status have they? Star of course, but for guide? Some more phone numbers, yep, I see what you mean. I know it is not really relevant, but have a look around at a lot of our guide articles and this one is in at least as decent a shape now. To quote: Guide - The article would be helpful for the average traveler, such as offering alternatives for where to stay and eat, what to see and do, how to get in and out, etc. and provide enough information for at least a few days there. But at least a few things are missing to make this a star article. It follows the manual of style in spirit if not in detail.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:47, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

Map
I have knocked together a map of the Kochi area and added it to the article. This is not intended to be a city map with attractions, but a broad scope map showing the layout of the area, the main routes in, the airport etc. Very much a first draft, and comments are requested. I am sure I have left off some important place names for example.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:22, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

Yes, its a good map, to depict the Kochi U/A with all its districts. However you have missed naming one important place- Mattancherry, which is the southern portion of Fort Kochi island. Secondly the place you marked as Kanna is not kanna, but Kumbalangi Island. Then very near to Kakkanad, you missed out marking Thrikakara, the main town famous for its annual Onam celebrations and educational hub of Kochi. While marking airport, the name of the place (Nedumbassery) is important as its more popular. In other ways, its good to see a well designed map. - Kish 9:45, 9 April 2010 (IST)

 * Thanks for that feedback. I have changed the map, so please check again. I have also used a more locally recognisable route shield.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:14, 10 April 2010 (EDT)

Party/Discos
I do not know whether Party/discos/Mightlife can be merged with Bars or not, because

 * Bars in Indian context is just a place to sit and drink, whereas Pubs, discos/party/nightlife are places were regular evening parties, dance floors and lounge operates within it. Secondly most of pubs or disco/party/nightlife are places designed even for Non-Alcohol users. For example pool parties @ Ramada is more famous for its wide range of mocktails (fruit juices are used instead of alcohol) than cocktails. This is because of traditional Indian association of bars with alcohol, whereas nightfall also caters non-alcohol users too.

 * Secondly there most of nightlife party lounges donot fall under splurge. Because a guest may require to shell out atleast Rs 5000 (US$100) in case of splurge bars, whereas required to shell in between Rs 700 (US$14) to Rs 2000(US$40).

 * Thirdly splurge bars cater more signature drinks and cocktails, than snacks or food whereas party discos has elobrate buffets along with the pass

 * Fourth, bars are required to close down on certain days as dry days, whereas party or discos donot require.

 * And finally entry to parties and discos are limited to certain age groups, sometimes only couples, sometimes only ladies and with strict dress code (like with suits, shoes, sarees, gowns etc), whereas bars are open to all types without any dress code restrictions

I wish to know the opinions of others. I personally recommend to separate bars from nightlife parties or discos.

 * Separate them if you must, but please do not change any of the language. I cannot bear the thought of re-writing all those again.
 * Also, please go through the buy section and take out some of the shops in Apparel and Bookshops - just three of the best in each buy subsection is enough.
 * And please give me comments on the map. Thanks. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:42, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
 * I think it's unnecessary to divide the bars into Budget, Mid-range, and Splurge. We don't usually use those subheaders under Drink anyway, plus the number of bars there doesn't really warrant subdivision anyway. (WT-en) Texugo 23:14, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

Duplicate listings
Wikivoyage allows each business to list here only once. I think there are a few bars and restaurants which are also listed as hotels? The duplicates need to be deleted. I suggest keeping all hotels and losing their bar or restaurant listings. Kish you should do this a you know the places. I have also consolidated the eat listings into Indian and non-Indian which makes for a more user-friendly section. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:07, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

 * It is disappointing that this article keeps growing with more and more content of doubtful use to the traveller, rather than the existing content being improved as suggested. So, I will start some culling myself. Quality is so much more important than quantity. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 02:55, 14 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Yeah, this article is currently the fifth longest city article we have (not counting city-states) and the fifteenth longest article we have overall. Ironically, it has just beat out India in length, which is completely and utterly ridiculous. This article needs massive cuts... (WT-en) Texugo 03:00, 14 April 2010 (EDT)

Here is another form of duplication: the Districts section and the See#Places section list almost exactly the same things. They need to be merged in one place or another. Bolgatty was actually listed as a district, a see listing, and a sleep listing, which is a bit much. I removed the See listing for now, but not sure what to do from there.(WT-en) Texugo 10:21, 14 April 2010 (EDT)

Hi buddies

I think many parts of city is now moved to get out, which is not true. This is because these parts are essentially part of city and most of the attractions are essentially classified by almost all tour/travel operators as part of Kochi City. Perhaps only for administration purpose, due to red tape these parts are not classified as part of city corporation, for which some bills are pending before state legislature. However in every way or other, places like Aluva, Thrikakara town, Kakkanad, Maradu and Tripunithara are essentially part of city which remains true for every tourist. I don't think, its fair to move this out of city districts.

Secondly regarding Bolgatty Island, it is a historical island which entirely belongs to Bolgatty Palace, now heritage hotel. There are few residential quarters mainly its staff and few other residents. Bolgatty island is a place to see, for its large palace complex, gardens, golf course as well as also part of hotel chain of KTDC. The golf course, horse tracks, gardens are NOT OFFICIALLY PART OF THE HOTEL, but belongs to heritage committee of Govt, though managed and maintained by hotel funds (as hotel belongs to govt). Bolgatty island is listed as city district by corporation, because it remains alway from mainland, which has a ferry point connecting to other islands. Thats why this is a district, a heritage zone, a hotel and a major golf course.

I do feel we need to merge some duplicated listings of fort cochin, mattencherry, Vypin. I wrote separately because in districts, I donot want to elobrate whats all to see in these places, rather just to inform there are certain districts called in these names in the city.

Secondly some pubs/disco centers have duplicate listings, because they operate within the premises of some leading hotels, but under different management, NOT PART OF HOTEL. For example, Tandav Disco is a leading discotheque managed by a leading DJ company in Cochin, operating in a leased complex within Le Meridian. Even it has a separte entrance also. Hence classifying Tandav as part of Le Meridian gives wrong impression, because Le Meridian is associated with expensive destination, whereas Tandav is not as expensive option as Le Meridien hotel. KISH 10:30, 14 April 2010 (IST)

 * The content of the article is actually good and up to guide standard I think. That makes the presentation of it and the long-winded nature of the writing all the more annoying. If anyone printed and stuck the article in their bag before going to the city, I reckon they would do just fine. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:27, 14 April 2010 (EDT)

Holidays
Though Kochi has almost all holidays that Kerala state has, the intensity of some holidays is more vigor than other parts of state. For example, Good Friday is a state holiday, but elsewhere all commercial firms do keep open, whereas in Kochi it marks total closure including owned by other religious groups, as the city being a major catholic city and seat of Kerala Latin Catholic Church

Likewise Jewish holidays and North Indian holidays like Diwali, Holi etc is not celebrated anywhere else other than in Kochi, which is a local holiday.

Whereas most of Islamic holidays are common in the state, Kochi has limited intensity for these, as Muslim population is less in the city.

X'mas is celebrated much more vigor than any other festival. Onam, though being national festival, it marks only one day holiday in Kochi unlike 4 day holiday in state capital-Trivandrum

Hence taking it away to Kerala page is not a right decision- KISH

 * As others have already stated, much of what is in this article applies more broadly to Kerala and even to India, and should thus be covered in those articles. The section on holidays was primarily a list of state holidays, so even if 20% of it was specific to Kochi, the 80% that wasn't really belongs in the Kerala article. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:56, 28 April 2010 (EDT)

There is a reason why I mentioned in Cope. Elsewhere in Kerala, many state holidays is limited to govt and few private offices, not to commercial firms. However the listed holidays in Kochi page marks total closure of all commercial units unlike elsewhere. Perhaps public transportation also stays away from road on these day. It is because of this reason, it has been mentioned to warn travellers to avoid being on these days, as they would find difficulty even to find a restaurant open.

For example X'mas is a state holiday only in Kerala, however in any other city like Trivandrum almost all shops open on that day as well as public transport. Whereas not a single restaurant opens on that day in Kochi, being a major Christian center. Hence an alert must be given- KISH

 * My efforts in moving the holidays to the state article were mostly to address the fact that this is a very, very bulky article with a lot of information that applies to the broader region. Others have raised the issue that content seems to continue to be added to this article (and it's very good content), but no effort is being made to make the article more readable by trimming some sections or moving some information elsewhere.  With respect to the specific issue of the holidays section, if they should be in this article then put them here, but to my eye much of that information was more broadly applicable and I was solely trying to move it to a better place and hopefully make this article a bit more readable. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:29, 29 April 2010 (EDT)

Districting
I see an attempt has been made to district Kochi. This really should have been discussed first. I am not sure it warrants this treatment. Yes, the article is very long but that is at least in part due to the long-winded, repetitive writing style used, and a mass of information that should not be there. I also see that someone has turned my map into a mess which resembles a pile of neon vomit. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 06:44, 25 May 2010 (EDT)

 * Not only a pile of neon vomit, but I see the user has claimed this as his own work (the nasty colours are, the rest isn't) and released it into the public domain, when I granted a CC-by-SA 3.0 licence to the original.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 06:51, 25 May 2010 (EDT)

 * I have reverted all the edits related to districtification until this goes through the due process of discussion on this talk page. It might be the right thing but must be discussed in detail first.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 06:58, 25 May 2010 (EDT)

 * It's a little extreme to refer to another user's efforts as "vomit". But it's clearly a copyright violation to release it into the public domain.  You should nominate it for deletion on shared, although I wouldn't bat an eye if you bypassed that and speedied it.  (WT-en) LtPowers 08:11, 25 May 2010 (EDT)

 * Special:Contributions/(WT-en) Kish is actively starting the districting of Kochi with the creation of sub-articles. I left him a note that the discussion is against districting and linked him this discussion. (WT-en) jan 08:19, 25 May 2010 (EDT)

 * I am much more concerned about the districting than the map, the graphic description of which was partially intended as humour. If anyone thinks Kochi needs districting then let's discuss that.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:14, 25 May 2010 (EDT)

Hello Friends,

First and formost, let me make it clear, its not me who added the Kochi Map in shared. When going thro' shared, I found a Coloured map, so though to start districting, by attempting to produce similar colour coded districts in article. If its a copyright violation, kindly delete it. Sorry from my part, for not cross-examining the map, before adding it in article.

Then regarding districting, I think, its time up to districting the Kochi City. This is because, the article is getting longer, primarily because so many districts come together as one city article, increasing the volume of article.

Greater Kochi UA is all set to achieve 6th Metro Status and India's 10th. Currently administrative process are going in that direction. Hence more write-up about various parts of Kochi city in single article, would increase the volume and decrease its chances for nominating into star article......

Hence I suggest for starting districting process.

Kochi City has atleast 7 to 9 satellite areas. Some districts can be clubbed together. For example Maradu is an independent administrative unit, but can be clubbed into Tripunithara district, due to its proximity to the latter. Likewise Vallarpadom and Bolgatty island can be clubbed together as there is nothing to see in Vallarpadom, being used for Kochi ICT.

Hope we can start districting process soon.- KISH 08:00, 25 May 2010 (IST)

 * So you are not User:renikk at Wikivoyage shared? That user has contributed a large number of images, all relating to Kochi, but has no history whatsoever of editing here at en. That is an extremely strange pattern to say the least. After the large copyright error with the Kochi map, I am very suspicious that other images and the bus maps produced by this user are similarly dodgy.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:29, 25 May 2010 (EDT)

 * Sorry Mr. Burmesedays, I do have balls, to reveal my identity. Unforunately I am not renikk. My name is Krishnan Menon, nicknamed as Kish..... I know Renikk, as he is a respectable member in several online forums like India Mike.com, forumkochinow and many similar forums and blogs. He is a leading photographer in the city and has made some contributions in wikipedia as well as other social sites. He has uploaded some of his photographs, which I used here. The bus maps are created by him to assist KSRTC to post these maps bus shelters and stands. I have seen these maps created by Rennik, posted in various Kochi bus stands. I requested him to upload in wikivoyage shared, so that it can be uploaded for wikivoyage article.

 * If you are suspicious, its upto you, to check the authenticity, which has nothing to do with me. My intentions were geniune, hence nothing to fear. If Mr. Rennikk has violated any copyright, its an issue between you and him. So it must not be projected against me. My aim is to create a quality article for Kochi, a city where I live for past 10 years.

 * Kindly talk about prospects of districting the city, to reduce the volume of the article.- KISH 09:10, 25 May 2010 (IST)

 * To make if easier for others to comment, this is the district scheme that was implemented without discussion, before I removed it.
 * --(WT-en) Burmesedays 04:45, 28 May 2010 (EDT)

 * I am still not 100% convinced that Kochi needs districting, but if the will to do the work is there, then perhaps there is enough content. A few important points about the suggested scheme.
 * I think there are too many proposed districts.
 * Vallarapadom would seem to be a bit tenuous with a container terminal as its major claim to fame. I suggest this is included with another district. Also do the small areas of Thripunithara and Maradu need to be separate districts?
 * There cannot be large swathes that are not included in any district as is the case with this proposal. For example, the large area of grey between Vypin and Aluva has to be allocated to those districts somehow. Same goes for other odd areas that seem to be in no district.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:40, 30 May 2010 (EDT)

 * I am still not even 50% convinced that Kochi needs districting. I agree with (WT-en) Burmesedays' comments above, but I also think the article is artificially bloated with verbose prose and extra listings not particularly necessary or not particularly unique to the city. 11 hairdressers? 4 opticians? 5 hospitals, 3 blood banks, and 9 ambulance listings? Not sure that a city this size needs to cover supermarkets or fabric shopping quite so thoroughly, and unless Kochi is well-known across India as the place to buy electronics, footwear, luggage or cosmetics, they probably shouldn't exist as sub-sections but rather be reduced to single listings of the best recommendation in each category. I would be surprised if a city of 600,000 plus a few suburbs really and truly merited all the hype that's been heaped in this article. (WT-en) Texugo 11:15, 30 May 2010 (EDT)

Name
According to naming conventions, shouldn't this be Kochi (India)? --(WT-en) globe-trotter 18:06, 17 September 2011 (EDT)

 * Even better, why not just let Kochi point here directly? This is by far the most famous Kochi. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 12:21, 15 October 2011 (EDT)

Indian articles-burdened with content

 * Swept in from pub.

At first I considered raising this on the talk pages of some of the Indian articles and then decided it might be more appropriate to seek a wider overview and raise my concerns here. Some of the articles, Kochi and Bangalore readily come to mind, are seriously burdened with clutter. I think those of us who patrol and edit there frequently will be familiar with the issues. Sari shops, taxi services, reams of Eat listings, various shops, long lists of education services and academic institutions and similar can all become a little overwhelming. I have noted a few bold reversions and some ablations of big chunks of content in recent months but I think more drastic action may be appropriate. I do have some concerns though in approaching this. I am aware that many previous contributors who have put information into the articles concerned may be inadvertently alienated by any serious ablations. I do think it is important to retain their interest an enthusiasm and it may wain a little if the content they have contributed is suddenly gone. These editors are potentially our best resource in maintaining the article content.However some times my head spins just looking at these reams of information and a lot of it is just phonebook listing, often without sufficient information to be of use to a traveller. Of course if they are deleted that information cannot be built. In my observations of these articles that rarely happens. I suspect a lot of the listings are made by the proprietors, others possibly arise form the experiences of one traveller who has provided scant info on some place they came across and no one will ever built that information further. I suspect there may be a quite a few listings in the articles that have that quality. Maybe we should sweep to the discussion page, maybe just delete or maybe pick and choose what is swept to the discussion page and what is deleted. However I do feel concerned that there should be some at least broad consensus here first. Normal protocol may suggest raising it the discussion page for each article. I don't think we will get much response from other than regular India article editors and patrol editors so perhaps some of you might like to comment on the issue here.-- thanks (WT-en) felix 08:15, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

 * Just cut unnecessary content. I've been deleting masses of content at Pattaya and it has improved the article remarkably. At Kochi (India), hairdressers, opticians, blood banks, hospitals, ambulances, and pharmacies could be cut straight away. Also the police stations could be trimmed down. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 08:35, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

 * I made similar edits to Decatur, Georgia. It had accumulated a lot of cruft, and I still haven't gone through to weed out the dozen clothing stores with no description, just as one example. I've only glanced through the articles you linked, but looking at Kochi, I'd advocate removing:
 * table of trains under Get in
 * Sport, Golf, and Gym (Sport should be for city sports teams, not "I feel like playing cricket", and golf and gyms are only worth mentioning if they're famous, not just "the closest 18-hole course to X")
 * Movie theaters (again, if they're not famous it's probably just as easy to look up elsewhere)
 * Trim down the Buy section... is Kochi famous for footwear and luggage, or is it just mentioned for verbosity?
 * Everything under Stay Healthy could be removed IMO; I would only leave the emergency telephone numbers
 * Almost everything under Cope, including Libraries, Opticians, and Hairdressers
 * There are probably a bunch of other things that belong at a regional or national level, such as Electricity and Postal Mail.
 * --(WT-en) BigPeteB 09:58, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

 * Agree with BigPeteB on pretty much every point.(WT-en) texugo 10:40, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

 * Yes, no disagreement with any of that. Kochi (India) and its parent state article Kerala are prime examples of Indian articles gone mad. A quick read of the relevant talk pages, and you will see that Texugo and myself tried to keep them under control, but it was a losing battle.--(WT-en) burmesedays 20:43, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

Blood banks
Why do we list blood banks? If you need blood, do you leave the hospital, go get blood, and bring it back? Or is this a service that the hospital uses, in which case, we don't have to list it here? Ground Zero (talk) 20:08, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Or you could donate blood there, but who goes on a trip outside of town to do that? Unless there's any objection in the next 24 hours, deletion seems like the obvious decision. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:12, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Indian articles-burdened with content - Continued
I have lived briefly in this city, but its been a few decades, so I cannot claim familiarity with it now. Nevertheless, when I look over the article, I see a few obvious things which can be removed. Under the "Do" section, the "Sports", "Golf", "Gym", "Cinemas", and "Ayurveda" are not relevant to the tourist. They are not why one would visit the city, nor do I see the short term tourist looking for this sort of information. I propose deleting these sections in a couple of weeks - giving sufficient time for people to comment here. Marvin The Paranoid (talk) 23:14, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest we tread carefully on this. Most tourists probably wouldn't travel to Kochi only to see a football match, but if one were happening while they were there, they might well go. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:02, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

List of individual taxi companies
Really necessary? It just encourages to the pile of touting. I remember bringing up a similar discussion a while back, and I think we should remove them here as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:41, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Merging Wikipedia Article to Wikivoyage
This article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tourist_attractions_in_Kochi reads more like a Wikiwoyage article than a Wikipedia one. Can someone merge the content from that article and nominate it for deletion after that ? Nkb 21 (talk) 12:25, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

 * ❌. The relevant travel information is already mentioned in Kochi, but follows Wikivoyage's manual of style; the Wikipedia article, however, does not, and will only supersede a superior version. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 12:38, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Moving Wikipedia pages to here.
Hi everyone,

These two articles Tourist Attractions in Kochi and Tourist Attraction in Kozhikode seem to better fit Wikivoyage than Wikipedia. I would like to merge them to Kochi and Kozhikode respectively.

How do I go about doing this ? Who should I contact regarding this?

-Nkb 21 (talk) 09:59, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

 * FYI: the reason why this hasn't been done yet is for the reasons stated on Talk:Kochi. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Districtification
I found a discussion to districtify Kochi back in 2010 (Wikitravel-era). However, it has been 13 years since then and new contents have been added into the article. So I think Kochi needs to be divided into three two districts: Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 18:43, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Fort Kochi and the Islands — will cover Fort Kochi and it's surrounding islands (Kochi taluk).
 * Ernakulam and its Suburbs — will cover Ernakulam CBD and its adjacent suburbs (Kanayannur taluk).
 * Paravur — will cover the entire Paravur taluk. It does not have any listings yet, but the landmarks listed at the Wikipedia article on North Paravur seems promising.

 * The listings to be included in the proposed Paravur district can be found at Cherai and North Paravur . Note that the Cherai Beach and Pallipuram Fort will fall under the Fort Kochi and the Islands district. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 18:46, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

 * This is quite a long article, so it makes sense to consider districting, and I would tend to defer to you and want you to have free rein in starting the articles. My usual question: About how many listings would you expect there to be in each district? Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:07, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have counted the number of listings at Kochi and Cherai with coordinates and I found the following:
 * Fort Kochi and the Islands — 23 see and do, 3 buy, 3 eat and drink, 3 sleep
 * Ernakulam and its Suburbs — 22 see and do, 16 buy, 5 eat and drink, 1 sleep
 * Paravur — 5 see and do
 * The locations of the listings without coordinates will be determined with its address (like listings at MG Road will belong to Ernakulam and its Suburbs). I have now excluded Paravur from the proposed districts and will create the drafts for the other two. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 04:54, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. What would you do with Paravur? Keep it divided between Cherai and North Paravur? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:01, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Cherai will be divided into Paravur and Kochi/Old Kochi. North Paravur will remain separate. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 08:48, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * So when you say you've excluded Paravur from the proposed districts, what do you mean? Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:44, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The exclusion simply means that North Paravur (a suburb of Kochi) would remain as a separate city article and not as a district of Kochi. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 15:30, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * And the rest of Paravur that's not north? Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:27, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Almost ✅. The two districts are established and we now need to move the listings to the respective districts. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 13:27, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Kochi (Shikoku)

Dog-Fighting Center Closed
With the closing of the center, a bit of Kochi culture dies. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:19, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Talk:Kodagu

I've got a number of Coorg photos, under the Creative Commons. Let me know if interested. (WT-en) Fredericknoronha 19:45, 4 June 2010 (EDT)

Apparent copyvio in See section
I Googled the first two sections and got numerous results. I guess all of this will have to be rephrased. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 00:24, 3 May 2012 (EDT)

 * A lot of water has passed under the bridge, and this article is still a mess... Ibaman (talk) 17:04, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Kodaikanal

dear sir/ madam, i want to plan industrial visit in kodaikanal.i need some companies and contact no deatails. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 59.92.112.216 (talk • contribs)
 * Your excellency, may I be so bold as to suggest you make use of the literary masterpiece colloquially known as "The Yellow Pages"? Yet another alternative would be to contact the fine gentlemen at the local trade office, I'm sure Google will be of service in this regard. Yours truly --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 09:17, 13 December 2009 (EST)

Learn section
I've moved this section from the article. Do any of these institutions offer courses of 2 weeks or less? I'm guessing, maybe the last two do. If that's the case, genuine listings including street address or/and Geo, phone number and charges for courses need to be made, and they can be included as activities under "Do," or the "Learn" section can be restored with only those listings.

Learn

 * St. Peter's Matriculation School,
 * Kodaikanal Public School,.
 * Kodaikanal Christian School.
 * Zion School.
 * Kodaikanal International School (KIS).
 * Kodaikanal Christian College - Prakashapuram, Kodaikanal.
 * Bhavan's Gandhi Vidyashram - part of the Bharatiya Vidhya Bhavan.
 * '''keypeeyes
 *  South Indian Zen Meditation retreats with Master Ama Samy.

Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:49, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Kohima

This link http://www.kickstartadventures.com/ does not work any more

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Talk:Koh Russei

I removed the following section from the article; it'd be nice if folks could find a way to integrate its information. --(WT-en) Evan 09:50, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

DONT BUY A PACKAGE TOUR TO BAMBOO ISLAND THAT INCLUDES THE COOKING OF FOOD ON BAMBOO ISLANDS BEACHES. THESE TOURS ARE DESTROYING THE ISLAND. If you wish to travel to Koh Russei please DON'T buy travel tickets from Eco Trek Tours at Mick and Craigs restaurant beside the golden lion roundabout. What a joke, their boat agents (drivers) trash the island with the leftover rubbish from the food they serve YOU on the Package Tour they will try to sell YOU for $10. The only people who care about the island and the rubbish problem is Romney tours and Coasters. Last year Coasters sent back 30 boatloads of rubbish to be recycled on the mainland where there are plenty of recycling centers available ....all this rubbish was left behind on Bamboo Island by YOU the unwitting tourists who participated in one of these ECO package tours which involves the cooking of food on the beach. DONT BUY A PACKAGE TOUR THAT INCLUDES THE COOKING OF FOOD ON BAMBOO ISLANDS BEACHES. THESE TOURS ARE DESTROYING THE ISLAND. The best way to take advantage of this beautiful location is to travel on a non food return ticket. The cost from Coasters is $6 return. There is a small restaurant on the Island. Prices are very competitive, food is very good and all the rubbish is recycled every day by the restaurant owners. You can find further information on www.cambodia-beach.com Two years ago this beach was a veritable rubbish dump. Thanks to the ongoing and concerted effort by Coasters and Romney the island improves day by day. The beach is now rubbish free EXCEPT for the areas where the tour boats cook the food for the day tour package.If you decide to travel with the package tour agents including food PLEASE ask your boat driver to remove the leftover rubbish from your tour when you are leaving the island.

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Talk:Kokkare Bellur

Hi WindHorse External link section doesn't exist in any of the template anymore. The external link policy says it needs to encorporated within the text it self. -(WT-en) anurag 09:30, 9 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Hi (WT-en) anurag, sir - ok, let's incorporate the link into the article. By the way, I really like the idea of these birds living happily with the villagers. Next time I'm in Bangalore, I'll definitely check it out. (WT-en) Windhorse 9 Jan 06

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Excellent guide! I'd never heard of this place.... great work! (WT-en) Majnoona 14:34, 22 Aug 2004 (EDT)

Nice day trip
My wife and I went on this day trip last Sunday 5/15/05 and found observing life along the river the most interesting aspect - children diving, adults bathing, dogs cooling themselves off. You see a wide swath of poverty (shacks) and wealth (beautiful carved teak homes) along the river and canals. On the island you can observer pottery being made, but it is not complex and not much more interesting than a community college ceramics class. The tour we took departing from Tha Chang (near the Royal Palace) cost only 200 Baht, but stopped numerous random riverside shops, including Thai sweets, floating vendors, and bizarrely, catfish feeding. It was a fun day on the water and a good way to see what the Thai middle class considers a fun Sunday outing.

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Posted 27th of June 2009

Koktebel has really got most of it, all year around. The home of the poets.

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Talk:Kokura Castle

Please read the Project:What is an article guideline before adding to this article. I think this information should be incorporated into Kitakyushu and have recommended this article for deletion. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:42, 27 Jul 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:Kokura Station

Please read the Project:What is an article guideline before adding to this article. I think this information should be incorporated into Kitakyushu and have recommended this article for deletion. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:39, 27 Jul 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:Ko Lan

TAT info
Placed some info and listings from TAT at Talk:Ko Laan/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 23:30, 2 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Ko Laan/Listings

TAT Information
Some info from TAT for future reference, or in case someone wants to incorporate it in the article (without messing up the MoS):

Ko Lan (เกาะล้าน) This island is 7.5km from South Pattaya, about 45 minutes by ferry or 15 minutes by speedboat. Tourists prefer a swim and enjoy watersports along several beaches. Most fine beaches with white sand and clear water are on the western side of the island. Hat Thonglang and Hat Ta Waen are popular beaches for its bustling atmosphere, aquatic sport gear, souvenir shops, and restaurants while Hat Laem Thian and Hat Samae offer a more restful atmosphere. Visitors can choose glass-bottom boats or skin-diving to view coral reefs in front of Laem Thian. At the southend of the island is Hat Nuan, Hat Samae, Hat Ta Waen and Hat Thian where a hotel is situated. It is another spot for viewing corals.

How to get there: A ferry service departs Laem Bali Hai Pier to Ko Lan everyday. Departure time is from 7AM-6.30PM, while the arrival trips leave Ko Lan from 6.30 a.m.-6.00 p.m. It costs 20 baht. The boat will stop at Na Ban Pier. In case of going to other beaches, a long-tailed boat can be rented or a taxi can be hired. Furthermore, speed boats for 10 persons are available along Pattaya beach. Visitors can stop at Ta Waen Beach and Thong Lang Beach. The rental fee for the speed boat is 2,500-3,000 baht or depending on the agreement.

Note: Prices stated above are subject to change without notice.

SLEEP: Ko Lan
 * Ban Pi Juan (บ้านพี่จวน) Tel. 0 3843 4147, 08 1753 6107, 6 rooms: 700-900 baht
 * Beach Club (บีช คลับ) Ta Wan Beach, Tel. 08 5094 4147, 2 bungalows: 1,600-2,900 baht
 * Chom Tha-le Resort (ชมทะเล รีสอร์ท) Samae Beach, Ko Lan, Mail Address: P.O. Box 141 Pattaya, Chon Buri 20260 Tel. 08 1803 4555, 08 6150 0062, 13 bungalows: 500-800 baht, tent: 300 baht
 * Ko Lan Resort (เกาะล้าน รีสอร์ท) Nuan Beach, 20 bungalows: 900 baht, package tour: 2 days 1 night 1,000 baht, 3 days 2 night 1,990 baht
 * Laem Thong Resort (แหลมทอง รีสอร์ท) Samae Beach, Ko Lan, Mail Address: P.O. Box 141 Pattaya Chon Buri 20260 Tel. 08 9814 7402, 4 bungalows: 700-900 baht
 * Hat Thian Resort (หาดเทียน รีสอร์ท) Thian Beach, Ko Lan, Tel. 0 3842 1375, 0 3842 8213, 08 1926 1395, 12 rooms: 600-900 baht

Eat

 * Chaina Town Ko Lan (ไชน่า ทาวน์ เกาะล้าน) Hat Ta wan, Tel. 08 1584 1974, 08 9733 1674 (Open 11 a.m-1.00 p.m. Seafood)

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 13:29, 2 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Ko Lanta

Negative reviews
See Project:Avoid negative reviews and its talk page — the consensus seems to be that prominent and/or really, really bad places do deserve a mention.

For this particular case, Andalanta Resort seems like a nice place with broken telephones (are they still broken?), no room service (which is not that big a black mark in my book), and an overall opinion of "overpriced". Seems fair to me. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:05, 5 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Edit Conflict / Spam Filter

 * Moved conversation from Project:Travellers' Pub to hear since it's a destination-specific thread. (WT-en) Nrms 11:17, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Hi. Trying to make Ko Lanta a Collaboration of the Month, but I'm getting an edit conflict which it tells me is due to a spam filter. I think it's trying to tell me this is due to links to thai_hyphen_tour_dot_com (I can't even type it here without having the same problem!) being identified as spam. I've gone through the article trying to delete all reference to that site but I still can't save it. Can anyone please help? Cheers. (WT-en) Tarr3n 10:14, 4 November 2008 (EST)

 * Project:Local_spam_blacklist does list thai_hyphen_tour_dot_com so that will be the issue. I can still see a number of refernces to that site in the article (6 references still, I think). Does this help any? (WT-en) Nrms 10:29, 4 November 2008 (EST)

 * Success. It wouldn't let me save any edits until I had removed every one of those links. So I copied it into a Word processor and used the find function to get rid of them all, then copied it back in. Now everything's hunky-dory. Thanks for your help. (WT-en) Tarr3n 10:52, 4 November 2008 (EST)

 * No prob :) (WT-en) Nrms 10:53, 4 November 2008 (EST)

TAT Listings
I added some TAT clutter from the main page to Talk:Ko Lanta/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:25, 20 February 2010 (EST)

Dive Guides for Thailand
<--If anyone wants to start regional dive guides for Thailand, and is willing to supply sufficient information, contact User:Pbsouthwood on my talk page, or just go ahead and do it--> (Moved here from Ko Lanta article by Seligne (talk) 02:09, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

New banner
I've recently created a new panoramics of the Ba Kantiang bay on Ko Lanta. Thinking about to change the current Ko Lanta banner. What do you think? -- DerFussi 04:43, 30 June 2018 (UTC) PS: The banner is not shown on the new responsive timeless skin (and it still looks bad on wide screens. Is anybody taking care of this? -- DerFussi 04:45, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It does not have the 7:1 size that is usual for WV banners. --FredTC (talk) 07:01, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Of course, I will provide a different version that meets your demands. But I do not do it, if it's not needed. -- DerFussi 15:28, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I tried using the crop tool on the image, making it 7:1, but the result is not the nice composition as it is now. So, I think the present banner is O.K. for Ko Lanta. --FredTC (talk) 13:40, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Why? The current panoramic is cropped already (mainly at the bottom). I have the original files available here and can provide the right one. Don't try to use the existing file on commons. I am aware of your demands. Just want to check, whether you want this kind of image or not. -- DerFussi 20:55, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * An image like you made, with someting close at the right and/or left and something far in the centre, certainly is a kind of image that I would like as a banner on Wikivoyage.
 * When I try to crop your Ko Lanta image, keeping the original width of 12126 pixels, the stick with the lampions at the right side is partly cut off. When I shift the cropped area to the top this cutting off is undone, but then at the left side the shade of the trees is cut off. The cropping you did already, is to me the maximum cropping that is possible for a nice result. --FredTC (talk) 08:41, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This is the best result that I was able to get with some retouching. -- DerFussi 18:20, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

 * Yes, that looks very nice. Are you going to connect it to the Ko Lanta entry in Wikidata now? --FredTC (talk) 13:15, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. I am going to brighten up the dark parts especially on the right side tomorrow. On my screen its too dark. -- DerFussi 14:56, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ -_ DerFussi 07:09, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

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Spa & Thai Massage
Spa

 * Ancient Realm's "The Spa & Facial Clinic" Klong Dao Beach, Koh Lanta, Krabi Tel: +66(0)8 799 81 336
 * Dreamy Spa (ดรีมมี่ สปา) Klong Dao Beach, Saladan, Koh Lanta, Krabi Tel: +6675 684729
 * Lanta Sand Spa (ลัตา แซนด์ สปา) 279 Mu 3, Long Beach, Koh Lanta, Krabi
 * Layana Spa (ลายาน่า สปา) 272 Mu 3, Long Beach, Koh Lanta, Krabi
 * Pimalai Spa (พิมาลัย สปา) 99 Mu 5, Ba Kan Tiang Beach, Koh Lanta, Krabi
 * Rawiwarin Spa at Langham Place Eco Resort + Rawiwarin
 * Royal Lanta Spa (รอยัล ลันตา สปา) 222 Mu 3, Klong Dao Beach,Koh Lanta, Krabi
 * Sri Lanta Spa (ศรีลันตา สปา) 111 Mu 6, Klong Nin Beach,Koh Lanta, Krabi
 * Twin Lotus Spa (ทวิน โลตัส สปา) 199 Mu 1, Klong Dao Beach,Koh Lanta, Krabi

Events & Festivals
Krabi Berk Fa Andaman Festival (งานกระบี่เบิกฟ้าอันดามัน) This is annually held in November to inaugurate the province’s tourist season. Water sports competitions, cultural shows, and good-natured fun are the schedule.

Laanta Lanta Festival (เทศกาลลานตา ลันตา) The festival is usually held in March every year at the Old Community in Koh Lanta called Ban Sanga-Au, which has a very old history of more than 100 years. Ancient Chinese style houses can still be seen here. In this festival, tourists can see the traditional culture, previously unseen ceremonial demonstrations, Southern local performances, folk games, water sports competitions and enjoy the tastes from various kinds of food booths which are provided by prestigious hotels on the island.

Loi Ruea Chao-Le Festival (ประเพณีลอยเรือชาวเล) This old ritualistic tradition takes place on Ko Lanta during the full moon of the sixth and eleventh month in the lunar calendar. This is a religious rite performed by the sea gypsies of Ko Lanta, as well as, from other neighbouring areas, who gather on the beach near Sala Dan Village. They dance their famous "rong ngeng" round the boats of misfortune to be set adrift. Ceremonies feature singing and dancing. This festival is expected to bring prosperity and happiness to the participants.

Sat Duean Sip Festival or Festival of the Tenth Lunar Month (งานประเพณีสารทเดือนสิบ) This is the southern traditional merit making occasion to honour one's ancestors. Food offerings such as Khanom La, Khanom Chohu, Khanom Phong, Khanom Ba, and Khanom Kong or Khai Pla, are made offer to Buddhist monks.

Chak Phra Festival (งานประเพณีชักพระ) The original waterborne procession, where Buddha images are put on elaborately decorated pulpits on boats are pulled along on the river, has been replaced by a land procession. The festival was formerly accompanied with a performance of traditional boat songs. However, the traditional waterborne songs have since disappeare

Trekking

 * Sumate Koh Lanta Yai Safari
 * Erawan Lanta Safari : Klong Dao Beach : 66 08 2286 1996, 08 4632 2334.

Kayaking

 * Rapu Sea Kayaking 10/5 Mu 2, Koh Lanta Yai, Tel: 08 9287 1749
 * seabornventures company 305/4 mu 3, Koh Lanta yai,Tel:66-7566-8223

Buy

 * Cha-Ba Art Gallery (ชบา อาร์ท แกลอรี่) 20 Mu 3, Saladan, Klong-Dao Beach, Koh Lanta, Krabi Tel/Fax: 0 7568 4118
 * Lanta Art Gallery (ลันตา อาร์ท แกลอรี่) 238 Mu 1, Saladan, Koh Lanta Krabi

 * Batik and Watercolor Gallery at Lanta Longtail Office - 8.3 Moo 1, Lanta Old Town, Koh Lanta Krabi 81150

Local product
Batik Even though it is Malay in origin, the art of batik has embedded itself within the local culture. There are also a lot of handicrafts such as pineapple paper.

Drink

 * Atcha Hut (อัทชา ฮัท) on the north end of Klong Nin Beach
 * Chaba's Pub (ชบาผับ) Klong Dao Beach, Koh Lanta, Krabi
 * Funky Fish Bar (ฟังกี้ ฟิช บาร์) in the south of Long Beach
 * Groove Garden Cafe' (กรู๊ฟ การ์เด้นท์ คาเฟ่) Pra Ae Village, Koh Lanta, Krabi
 * La Luna (ลา ลูน่า) Pra Ae Beach
 * Mofo's Club House (โมโฟซ์ คลับ เฮ้าส์) Klong Nin Beach, Koh Lanta, Krabi Tel: 08 9472 5619
 * Mo Jo’s Sports Bar & Grill (โมโจซ์ สปอร์ตซ บาร์ แอนด์ กริลล์ Langham Place Eco Resort + Spa), Klong Tob Beach
 * Nok's Bar (นกบาร์) Klong Dao Beach, Koh Lanta, Krabi
 * Opium Bar (อ๊อพพิอุ้ม บาร์) 214 Mu 2, Pra Ae, Koh Lanta, Krabi 81150 Tel: 08 1458 7128
 * Otto’s Bar (ออตโต้ บาร์) 45/3 Mu 6, Koh Lanta Yai, Koh Lanta, Krabi
 * Ozone Bar (โอโซน บาร์) in the south of Long Beach
 * Reggae Bar (แรกเก้ บาร์) at the south end of Long Beach
 * Sexy Bar (เซ็กซี่ บาร์) Klong Dao Beach, Saladan, Koh Lanta, Krabi
 * The Corner Bar (เดอะ คอร์เนอร์ บาร์) Saladan
 * The Earth (ดิ เอิร์ธ) Phra Ae Village, Koh Lanta, Krabi
 * The Pub (เดอะ ผับ) Lohbara Village, Saladan, Koh Lanta, Krabi Tel: 08 1699 8767
 * The Wave Bar (เดอะ เวฟ บาร์), Langham Place Eco Resort + Spa Klong Tob Beach

 * Where Else Bar (แวร์ เอ้วส์ บาร์) Klong Khong Beach

Klong Dao Beach

 * Private Beachfront Resort (63.5m sea frontage) with 12 Villas and 2 Suites. Thai & Western Restaurant, Beach Bar, Pool, Whirl Pools, Day Spa, Peaceful Environment, Eco Styled Resort, Massage & Beauty Center, Room Service, Tour Desk, Tropical Gardens, Mini Movie Cinema. Free Internet. Great Value. On The Beach. Open All Year.

 * Sayang Beach Resort, budget hotels situated by the beach. Situated between Klong Dao and Pra Ae Beaches.

 * Andaman Lanta Resort 142 Moo 3, Rooms from 1550 baht, bungalows from 2900 baht. Large complex with 2-storey hotel style building and bungalows. Restaurant, bar and swimming pool.

 * Twin Lotus Resort and Spa (ทวิน โลตัส รีสอร์ทแอนด์สปา) 199 Mu 1, Tambon Sala Dan, Tel: 0 7560 7000, Fax: 0 7560 7099. Bangkok Office, Tel: 0 2361 1946 - 9, Fax: 0 2361 1956, www.twinlotusresort.com, 78 rooms: 9000 - 38500 baht.

 * Baahra Bungalow (บาหรา บังกะโล) 232 Mu 3, Tambon Sala Dan, Tel: 0 7568 4644 - 5, 08 1684 1714, Fax: 0 7568 4646, E-mail: baahra@email.com, 12 rooms: 450 - 950 baht.

 * Lanta Villa Resort (ลันตา วิลล่า รีสอร์ท) 14 Mu 3, Koh Lanta, Krabi, Tel: 0 7568 4129 Fax: 0 7568 4131, 62 rooms: 700-900 baht

 * Costa Lanta (คอสต้า ลันตา) 212 Mu 1 Saladan, Koh Lanta, Krabi, Tel: 0 7561 8092, 0 7568 4630-2, E-mail: info@costalanta.com, 22 rooms: 2,500-10,000 Baht

Long Beach (Ao Phra Ae)

 * Lanta Pavillion Resort, 120 Moo 2 Saladan, Koh Lanta, Krabi, Room: 1000-4700 Bht/night.

 * Sea Fun & Sea Bungalows, 240 Moo. 3 Saladan Longbeach Lanta Island, Krabi 81150, rooms: 1800-3000 baht

 * Andaman Sunflower (อันดามัน ซันฟลาวเวอร์) 174 Mu 2, Saladan, Tel:?, E-mail: pha-ae@hotmail.com, 20 rooms: 200-400 baht

 * Good Days Lanta Chalet & Resort (กู๊ดเดย์ ลันตา ชาเลต์ แอนด์ รีสอร์ท) 183 Mu 2, Tambon Sala Dan, Tel: 0 7568 4186, 08 1676 4875, Fax: 0 7568 4187, www.gooddayslanta.com, 42 rooms: 900 – 2,500 baht.

 * L D Bungalow (Sandy Beach Bungalow) (แอล ดี บังกะโล) (แซนดี้ บีช บังกะโล) 46/1 Mu 3, Tambon Sala Dan, Tel: 0 7568 4548- 9, 25 rooms: 400 – 1,500 baht.

 * Lanta Casuarina Resort 288 Mu 3, Koh Lanta Yai, Krabi, Rates: 1,200-5,300 Baht, 51 rooms: 1,900 – 5,300 baht.
 * Lanta City Beach Resort (ลัตา ซิตี้ บีช รีสอร์ท) 210 Mu 3, 22 rooms: 200-800 baht 075 684022

Klong Khong Beach

 * Where Else Resort149 Moo 2, Fan bungalows from 800 baht. Funky, chilled out bamboo eco tourism village surrounded by old coconut palm trees. Each bungalow is unique.

 * B B Little Village (บี บี ลิตเติ้ล วิลเลจ) 196 Mu 2, Tambon Sala Dan, Tel: 08 1537 9932, 12 rooms: 300 – 650 baht.

 * Blue Andaman Lanta Resort (บลู อันดามัน ลันตา รีสอร์ท) 251 Mu 2, Tambon Sala Dan, Amphoe Ko Lanta, Tel: 0 7568 4564 – 5, Fax: 0 7568 4565, 42 rooms: 500 – 1,800 baht.081 7194951

 * Blue Marine Bungalow (บลูมารีน บังกะโล) 288 Mu 2, Tambon Sala Dan, Tel: 0 7568 4018, 08 1535 5120, 8 rooms: 350 – 800 baht.

 * Fisherman Cottage (ฟิชเชอร์แมน คอทเทจ) 190 Mu 2, Tambon Sala Dan, Tel: 08 1476 1529, www.fishermanscottage.biz, 11 rooms: 500 – 800 baht.

Klong Toab Beach

 * Lanta Palace (ลันตา แพเลซ) 29 Mu 8, Tambon Ko Lanta Yai, 35 rooms: 1,600 – 2,800 baht

 * Lanta Thanya Beach Resort (ลันตา ธัญญา บีช รีสอร์ท) 158 Mu 8, Koh Lanta, Krabi 075 662528-9

 * (มูนไลท์ เบย์ รีสอร์ท โฮเต็ล]''' 69 Mu 8, Ban Klongtob, Koh Lanta Yai, Koh Lanta, Krabi, Rates: 1,200-6,900 Baht 075 662590-1 F 075 662594

 * Rawi Warin Lanta 139 Mu 8, Tambon Ko Lanta Yai, room rate: 10,000 – 65,000 baht.

Klong Nin Beach

 * Narima Bungalow Resort 98 Moo 5, located by the beach with starting price of 2000 Baht. Open air beach views and wooden floors.

 * Andaman Sunflower (อันดามัน ซันฟลาวเวอร์) 174 Mu 2, Tambon Sala Dan, Tel: 0 7568 4023 – 4, E-mail: pha-ae@hotmail.com, 20 rooms: 200 – 400 baht. 081-8919205

 * Lanta il Mare Beach Resort (ลันตา อิลมาเร่ บีช รีสอร์ท) 52 Mu 8, Tambon Ko Lanta Yai, 30 rooms: 800 – 1,500 baht.

 * Lanta Miami Bungalow (ลันตา ไมอามี บังกะโล)13 Mu 6, Tambon Ko Lanta Yai,, www.lantamiami.com, 22 rooms: 400 – 1,500 baht. Tel : 66 75 697081 Fax : 66 75  697081

 * Lanta Nature Beach (ลันตา เนเจอร์ บีช) 54 Mu 6, Tambon Ko Lanta Yai, Tel:081-2284488, 31 rooms: 300 – 1,500 baht.

 * Clean Beach Resort, Klong Nin Beach, Ko Lanta, Krabi Thailand roos: 1200-3400 baht Tel: 662 2119654 Fax: 662 2119656

Kantiang Bay

 * The Houben, opened in December 2009, next to Eyes Lanta Resort. Stylish, clean environment with a red pool and jacuzzi. Now (Feb. 2010) still promotion offer --> take 2 nights get one free. Free minibar. approx. 5,000 baht.

 * Eyes Lanta Resort newly open, on the hill of west of Kantian Bay with a nice seaview, price 3000-6000 Bht/night

 * lanta Marine Park View Resort 7 Moo 5, Air-con rooms in large bungalow with price range from 2100 baht. Restaurant + Shroom Bar with the best view of the beach. Cheaper Bamboo rooms (with recently added hot showers) available from 300 baht per night.

 * Phra Nang Lanta (พระนาง ลันตา) 139 Mu 5, Tambon Ko Lanta Yai, Tel: 0 7566 5025 – 31, Fax: 0 7566 5030, www.vacationvillage.co.th, 15 rooms: 5,500 – 6,900 baht.

 * Season (ซีซั่น) Mu 5, 22 rooms: 150-250 baht 087 98714297

 * Top View Resort (ท็อปวิว รีสอร์ท) 17 Mu 5, Tambon Ko Lanta Yai, Tel: 08 1788 5578, 08 9292 2471, 18 rooms: 700 – 1,300 baht.

Klong Jaak Beach

 * Anda Lanta Resort (อันดา ลันตา รีสอร์ท) 79 Mu 5, Tambon Ko Lanta Yai, Tel: 0 7566 5018, 0 7560 7555, Fax: 0 75665020, www.andalanta.com, 40 rooms: 1,700 – 6,100 baht.

 * Khlong Chak Bungalow (คลองจาก บังกะโล) 89 Mu 5, Tambon Ko Lanta Yai, Tel.089-8862768,F.089-8675266, rooms: 300 –1,200 baht.

 * Lanta Sun Moon Bungalow (ลันตา ซันมูน บังกะโล) 57 Mu 5, Tambon Ko Lanta Yai, Tel: 081-7876213,089-8676463, 19 rooms: 500 –1,800 baht.

 * Waterfall Bay Resort (วอเตอร์ฟอลล์ เบย์ รีสอร์ท) 7 Koh Lanta Yai, 18 rooms: 400-800 baht T.075 684547 ,075 612084 ,F. 075 612806

Mai Pai/Bamboo Bay

 * Bamboo Bay Resort (แบมบู เบย์ รีสอร์ท) 78 Mu 5, Tambon Ko Lanta Yai, Tel/Fax: 0 7566 5023, www.bamboobay.net, 23 rooms: 400 – 2,600 baht.
 * Baan Phu Lae (บ้านปูเล)109 Mu 5, Tambon Ko Lanta Yai, 12 rooms: 500 –1,800 baht.

 * Large Beach Resort (ลาส บีช รีสอร์ท) 57 Mu 5, Tambon Ko Lanta Yai, Tel: 089 8677463, 16 rooms: 200 – 500 baht.

Hat Khlong Nam Chuet (หาดคลองน้ำจืด)

 * Dream Team Beach Resort (ดรีมทีม บีช รีสอร์ท) 38 Mu 5, Tambon Ko Lanta Yai, Tel: 0 7566 2551 – 2, Fax: 0 7566 2551, www.dreamteamresort.com, 54 rooms: 1,200 – 4,000 baht.

 * Lanta Coral Beach Resort (ลันตา คอรัล บีช รีสอร์ท) 77 Mu 5, Tambon Ko Lanta Yai, Tel: 0 7561 8073, 0 7566 2535, Fax: 0 7566 2537, 20 rooms: 500 – 2,000 baht. 081-2284326

 * Narima Resort (นริมา รีสอร์ท) 98 Mu 5, Tambon Ko Lanta Yai, 32 rooms: 1,200 – 3,500 baht.

Kaw Kwang Beach (Had Kaw Kwang)

 * Kaw Kwang Beach Resort (คอกวาง บีช รีสอร์ท)''' 16 Mu 6, Saladan, Koh Lanta, Krabi, Tel: 075-621373,081-7875321, Fax: 075-621375, 62 rooms: 300 – 4,500 baht

 * Mu Koh Lanta National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติ หมู่เกาะลันตา) Rates: 200-300 baht075 629018-9

Phone: (66) 075.630.341, (66) 075.620.526  Fax: (66) 075.620.527 (krabi office)
 * Salatan Resort (สลาตัน รีสอร์ท) 166 Mu 1, Saladan, Koh Lanta, Krabi, Tel: 0 7568 4111 Fax: 0 7568 4114, 22 rooms: 1,500-2,000 baht Phone: 075.684.111-2 Fax: 075.684.114 (lanta office)

 * Twinbay Resort & Spa (ทวินเบย์ รีสอร์ท แอนด์ สปา)''' 333 Mu 1, Saladan, Koh Lanta Yai, Krabi Tel: 0 7568 4477 - 8, Fax: 0 7568 4476, 41 rooms: 1,200 – 4,600 baht

Other

 * The Sevenseas Resort, Koh Kradan 32 villas located by the beach of Koh Kradan. South of Koh Lanta. Newly open in Nov 2008.

 * Chaw Ka Cher Tropicana Lanta Resort (ฌ ทรอปิคคาน่า ลันตา รีสอร์ท) 133/1 Mu 7, Saithai, Muang Krabi 075 637970,F. 075 637404

 * Eyes Lanta Resort(อายลันตา รีสอร์ท) 153 Moo5, Kantiang Bay. Koh Lantayai Krabi

 * Lanta Coral Beach Resort (ลัตา คอรัล บีช รีสอร์ท) Mu 2, Koh Lanta, Krabi, 21 rooms: 200-500 baht 075 618 073, 081 2284326

 * Lanta Fullmoon Bay View Resort (ลันตา ฟูลมูน เบย์ วิว รีสอร์ท) 261 Mu 2, Saladan, Koh Lanta, Krabi

Stay healthy
Hospitals

 * Ban Saladan Clinic - 110 moo 1 Saladan, Ko Lanta, Krabi 81150 Tel: +66 (0)75 684 170
 * Koh Lanta Hospital is in the eastern part of Koh Lanta (Tel. +66 7569-7100).

Contact
Nationwide television, cable TVs and local cable TV channels are available on Ko Lanta. International newspapers and magazines are available at some bookstores.

Landline telephones, satellite phones, all mobile phone systems, high-speed internet (ADSL) are available. There is also a main post office with parcel services.

Cope

 * Immigration Office and Provincial Travelers Assistance Centre +66 7561-2740
 * Koh Lanta Government District Office +66 7568-4702
 * Lanta Marine National Park +66 7562-9018
 * Provincial Tourist Police +66 7563-7308
 * Koh Lanta Hospital +66 7569-7100
 * Post Office +66 7568-9196
 * Police Station +66 7569-7085

Suggested itinerary

 * Day 1 Travel to Ko Lanta and check in. Enjoy the afternoon simply sunbathing, swimming, reading a book and perhaps have a massage. In the evening have a romantic seafood dinner.
 * Day 2 Go on either a diving or snorkeling trip to one of the beautiful sites. In the evening watch Thai boxing and traditional Thai Dance.
 * Day 3 Go kayaking in the mangroves do some jungle trekking and see the caves. In the evening, have a few drinks, listen to Bob Marley and enjoy the company of new friends.
 * Day 4 See Lanta Old Town and spend the day afternoon in a luxurious spa. In the evening enjoy seafood BBQ.

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:51, 20 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Ko Lanta Dive Guide

Votes for Deletion discussion:

Ko Lanta Dive Guide

 * Delete. Very similar to the above, in fact, and not convincingly a valid article.  — (WT-en) D. Guillaime 20:42, 12 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Let me see what I can salvage from it to relevant sites first. --(WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 08:42, 13 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Has this article been lockes somehow? I am unable to edit it. -- (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 09:07, 13 June 2010 (EDT)
 * No, there's nothing in the protection log. Do you get an error message of some sort?  (WT-en) LtPowers 11:10, 13 June 2010 (EDT)

 * Weak keep. If the user who created this guide was not plastering his/her company URL all across our site I think this would be a clear keep - much of the information is pretty good - but the article should not be used as a promotional tool for any particular company. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:39, 13 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Merge into Ko Lanta, Ko Phi Phi, Ko Ngai, etc. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 05:01, 14 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Useful content has been merged into Diving in Thailand The article may be deleted as it is now empty. -- (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 06:08, 21 June 2010 (EDT)
 * If it's been merged, the redirect needs to remain for attribution purposes. (WT-en) LtPowers 08:17, 21 June 2010 (EDT)

Outcome: redirected (WT-en) Pashley 00:11, 18 August 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Koli National Park

I wondered about the Copyright notice at the bottom of the article, from koli.fi, so I visited that site. Most of the article text appears to have been copied from there. See http://www.koli.fi/kieliversiot/englanti/index.html Menu items on left of that page turned into headings here. I'm deleting it all. (WT-en) Pashley 11:01, 20 May 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Kolkata

Old discussions have been moved to the archive (2006–2020, 2021)

Replacing Go next links in Kolkata and Kolkata districts
Yesterday a user replaced links to Baranagar by links to Sundarbans National Park. I don't see any discussion about Baranagar being an unwanted destination. So, I wonder why this is done. If there is no reason for this, should we revert those edits? --FredTC (talk) 08:28, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

 * You linked all their contributions. If it was this edit only (on Kolkata/Maidan) you could have linked it directly to avoid having everybody check many of their contributions to find it.

 * In Kolkata/Maidan there was this sole go next entry, and now there is this other one alone. I don't see any reason not to have several. I also don't know Kolkata, and neither the former nor the current entry explains why it is relevant. I'd readd the former and leave the current, but I think it is odd that the park is linked from at least six of Kolkata's districts. Is it really that relevant to all of them?

 * –LPfi (talk) 12:11, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry for the inconvenience. I did it this way because the action was repeated so many times. You are right that having Baranagar in so many Go next lists is strange, just as having Sundarbans National Park now in all those Go next lists. I think having Baranagar in only 1 or 2 Go next lists would be OK. And Sundarbans National Park could be in the main Kolkata article only. --FredTC (talk) 14:03, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

East Kolkata split
You are invited to participate the discussion at Talk:Kolkata/East. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:02, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

New districts
I want to create the following city districts of Kolkata, given the high amount of content in Kolkata/East: -- Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:05, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Kolkata/Rajarhat-New Town
 * Kolkata/Salt Lake City (currently redirects to Kolkata/East)
 * I don't think a nickname should be the name of the article (or any article). --FredTC (talk) 10:19, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have withdrawn the proposal, given the article is not big enough to be splitted. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 06:17, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Links to non-official websites?
I have seen in numerous districts that the URL in listings more often contain Zomato (or Facebook, TripAdvisor, Trivago, Ixigo etc.) websites rather than the official website of the listings. For those who don't know, Zomato is an online food delivery startup in India. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 05:05, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

 * Please remove all such links, except that an establishment's Facebook page is OK to link if they have no home page and there's no governmental site for whatever it is. Zomato and other good delivery services might be OK to mention with a link in India, perhaps - that would have to be discussed at Talk:India, to determine whether we'd make an exception to normal external links policy for them - but not on any local guides. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:24, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Facebook is acceptable if the POI has no official website, but please do remove the other unofficial websites. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:45, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Reorganising existing districts
Instead of splitting large districts, we should now focus on defining the district borders, particularly of Kolkata/North, Kolkata/Esplanade and Kolkata/Maidan, which are quite fuzzy when I created mapmasks for them. I think the boundary between North Kolkata and Esplanade should go largely along Bepin Behari Ganguly St. The boundary between Esplanade and Maidan is also fuzzy, especially along Park St. We should discuss on whether the Park St area should belong to Esplanade or Maidan. (now fixed) Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 16:25, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

 * It looks like @Anirban Kolkata has already put forward a similar proposal back in 2021. I'll review it and see what can I do with it. Of course, the mapmasks will be compromised but I'll make a replacement. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 17:46, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I've reviewed the earlier proposal but the proposal put forward by Anirban Kolkata is to split the city into Northern suburbs, North, Central, South, West and Southern suburbs. While I might agree with him to make a separate district for the southwestern part of the city (I prefer Southwest Kolkata for the district name), I still can't make out how he could make a boundary between North and Central Kolkata (or Esplanade) with the College St as the street runs from north to south. Therefore, I will implement my proposal on the North-Esplanade boundary by a note in the "Understand" section of Kolkata/North. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 17:57, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * In the second case, it looks like the Park St area should belong to Esplanade. I'll reinforce it soon, alongside the North Birbhum merger. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 04:33, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Both are done. As of now, I'm thinking about creating Kolkata/Southwest, carving out of Kolkata/South and Kolkata/Southern fringes. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 12:17, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Railway stations
The Kolkata/Northern fringes and Kolkata/Southern fringes articles have too much railway station listing, which might violate our WV:7+2 rule. So we should either split the listings into subsections or remove the stations with the least traffic. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 08:09, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

 * I don't think violating the 7±2 is a problem in this case. I assume at least local trains stop at all stations they pass, which means you can check what station is closest to you hotel or whatever, which is useful. They should probably be grouped by train line. –LPfi (talk) 08:25, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for input. Another problem I've discovered is that the train stations like Howrah Junction and Santragachi Junction are listed in Kolkata as they more-or-less serve the city (indeed, most people use Howrah Junction to reach Kolkata). However, they are in Howrah, a different city. So what should we do with them? Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 07:32, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I think they still can be listed. If there is much to tell about them, they could be linked to the description in the district were they are. I tried to do that in Special:Diff/4505536/4505623. Ideally the description would be very short, concentrating on getting to Kolkata from there, but I think what trains the stations serve may be important, and a short characterisation of the station is also useful. The point is to include enough information for readers to know whether they want to click the link and read the full listing. –LPfi (talk) 13:54, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for both input and your contributions. Happy editing. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:47, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Merge Kolkata/Baranagar, Kolkata/Barrackpore and Kalyani to Kolkata/Northern fringes
While listings in Kolkata/Baranagar, Kolkata/Barrackpore and Kalyani are sufficient, the listings in Kolkata/Northern fringes have been problematic and it turns out that the three aforementioned destinations were originally part of the northern fringes and were later split as separate cities without any discussion. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 07:48, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * per nomination by local expert. Ground Zero (talk) 12:29, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

 * I'm closing this discussion by performing the merger. This might take some time. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 15:32, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Lengthy description in the Bangladesh listing of Go Next replaced with a shorter one
The lengthy description is here: Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:33, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Bangladesh — Tickets for buses running to the border and Dhaka can be reserved at Shyamoli Yatri Paribahan, 6/1 Marquis St (parallel to and one block south of Sudder Street, and just west of Mirza Ghalib St, next door to DHL), . 2-3 buses per day leave this office on Tu, Th and Sa, usually at 5:30AM, 8:30AM and 12:30PM. The fare is ₹86 to the Haridaspur border post (about 2½ hr). All the way to Dhaka (with a bus change at the border) will cost ₹550 (about 12 hr). Beware that several travel agencies around this area also sell tickets for these buses, but at very inflated prices. At the border, it's best to change money on the Indian side, but count it carefully and double-check the maths on their calculator. On the Bangladesh side, there are some bus stands just behind the border, or you can catch a flat-bed cycle-rickshaw for Tk5 for the 2 km trip to the bus stand for onward travel, or you can walk, but expect the hopeful rickshaw-wallahs to follow you at least halfway.

Southwest Kolkata
Kolkata/Northern fringes is supposed to cover the northern suburbs of Kolkata, while Kolkata/Southern fringes is supposed to cover the southern suburbs of Kolkata. While the northern fringes remain separate municipalities, most of the southern fringes are within Kolkata proper since 1980 and are commonly recognised as such. Therefore, we have to merge Kolkata/Southern fringes into Kolkata/South and then split the southwestern portion of the resultant district (e.g. Alipore, Behala, Budge Budge, Joka, Kidderpore, Maheshtala, Taratala) to Kolkata/Southwest, with the border between South and Southwest Kolkata be along the Adi Ganga (upto Tollygunge Club) and Mahatma Gandhi Road (not to be confused with the one in North Kolkata). Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 05:39, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

 * I've also proposed to rename Kolkata/Esplanade to Kolkata/Central but keep Kolkata/Maidan as it is. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 07:17, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems reasonable. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 07:21, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Can you explain a bit on how it is reasonable, since changes on district hierarchy can be contentious? Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 16:16, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It looks like I'll plunge forward and create Southwest Kolkata. However, I think I need districts like Ballygunge-Dhakuria and Jadavpur-Tollygunge. The latter will be discussed once we get enough listings. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 14:37, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Rescope the article?
I have seen numerous huge city articles that focus on city proper only. Even in the case of Los Angeles, only the city proper is districted and the outskirts are grouped into regions. However, we can't just copy the case of LA in here, as it would be inconvenient for travellers, considering that certain suburbs may or may not be considered part of Kolkata by locals (Bidhannagar is almost always considered part of Kolkata, while Barrackpore is generally considered a separate town). Therefore, should we rescope the article to cover Kolkata proper (KMC area aka Kolkata district) only? If there's a consensus to do so, this article will be rescoped and the suburbs will have their own articles. IMO Baranagar, Barasat, Barrackpore, Bhatpara, Bidhannagar, Dum Dum, Kalyani, Kamarhati, Naihati, New Town (Southeast Bengal), Panihati and Rajpur Sonarpur are candidates for such articles. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 17:02, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

 * Of course, there are cities like Lagos and Sydney that don't have a concrete city proper and thus cover an agglomeration of several local government areas. However, all cities in India have a well-defined city proper administered by one or more municipalities. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 17:19, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, I found another huge city article covering a metropolitan area, Rome. However, the huge city article has a clear division between city proper and suburban area. Therefore, we should keep the scope of Kolkata as it is and focus on the organisation of travel content instead. I will instead divide Kolkata/Northern fringes and Kolkata/East into smaller districts. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:02, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It looks like the Rome article does not even cover the entire metropolitan area. In fact, some suburbs (notably Fiumicino) have their own city articles. I think I should discuss on the same at the pub. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 07:34, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems like the Wikivoyage definition of Kolkata is quite arbitrary and it is quite hard to get boundaries of Wikivoyage Kolkata. So I've decided to reduce the definition of Kolkata to just the city proper and any relations among the city proper and the suburbs can be described at "Understand" section. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 17:40, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

New district creation
I was previously frustrating about the Kolkata/East article for its amount of listings and proposed to split the district. However, the proposal was not satisfactory and I recalled it. Now, I have revisited the issue and proposed to split the district into Kolkata/East and Kolkata/Eastern Suburbs. Besides, I am also thinking of splitting Kolkata/Northern Suburbs into Kolkata/Northern Suburbs and Kolkata/Barasat-Dum Dum due to the size. However, the split may not be efficient in the short term. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 18:14, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

 * I have withdrawn the split of Kolkata/Northern Suburbs, as I have split off Barasat as a separate city. However, I should go ahead with the split of East Kolkata instead. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 07:38, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia's list of attractions
English Wikipedia's List of tourist attractions in Kolkata should be worth checking and determining whether any content from the list can be imported to Wikivoyage. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 07:47, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

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