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Talk:Quebec

Québécois French is no more a "variant" form of French as American English is a variant of British English. This common error strikes us Québécois as an insult. Apart form a few lexical differences, what distingues our French from French-from-France is our accent, just like Americans speak English with an... american accent... Please correct this wrong impression of our language, French, which is our pride and which we cherish and protect in spite of our being surrounded by 300 million English speakers...

 * There are lexical differences, pronunciation differences, and some vocabulary differences. I think for non-Francophones, some of the more important ones are called out on this list. I don't know what to call Quebecois French except a "variant". Suggestions? --(WT-en) Evan 08:33, 15 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * The word's "dialect". -- (WT-en) Nils 08:52, 15 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * Yes, in terms of linguistics, Quebecer is a dialect of French -- just as Central French is. As a matter of fact, three different dialects of French are widely spoken in Quebec... This doesn't strike me as an insult. --(WT-en) Valmi 00:23, 16 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * (They are, apart from the main one, the one from Saguenay--Lac-Saint-Jean and the one from Gaspésie--Îles-de-la-Madeleine.) --(WT-en) Valmi

Sépaq
Hmm, now the Sépaq copyrighed stuff has show up here... I'm going to remove it again and leave another note for the would-be contributor. He seems to mean well but doesn't understand the copyright issue... (WT-en) Majnoona 17:50, 2 Nov 2004 (EST)

California wines
I noted earlier that the SAQ doesn't have a lot of California wines; that was removed. I reinstated it, since it's a) true and b) something US travellers will notice. --(WT-en) Evan 17:02, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Language
I rolled back the removal of the bit about dubbing shows and movies because it's a)true and b)it's an example of how Quebec-French and French-French are considered different... (WT-en) Majnoona 12:15, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)

travel
why are there so many families from quebec traveling at the same time in mid july??

 * In 1970, the Quebec government issued a decree setting guidelines for collective labour agreements in the construction industry. One of the requirements was for the last two weeks of July to be given as holidays.  This created a sort of domino effect, I suppose because of people taking holidays as groups, and as a result it's now estimated that 25% of workers in Quebec take holidays in that 2-week period.  see http://www.ccq.org/M_RegimeRelationsTravail/M3_ConventionsCollectives/M3_2_CongeVacances.aspx?lang=en&profil=Travailleur --216.98.57.65 12:26, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

 * This is great info for the guide! We we're just camping the last two weeks of July and it's unusally hard to find a spot! (WT-en) Maj 20:13, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

 * The "domino effect" of these two weeks is really significant. Montreal traffic thins down noticably, US-Canada border wait times skyrocket and many shops will be closed related to the construction industry but also random ones because everybody leaves together. A lot of people take their holidays inside the province so it might be advisable to check vacancies if you intend to visit during that time, as the previous comment mentions. But it's probably a good time to visit Montreal itself, it's more quiet and the tourism industry is likely the only one actually picking up during those two weeks. -Lp (a Montrealer)

you should mention air transat as the least expensiva of all airline companies. they fly for around 450 euros return from paris to quebec city non stop, no other company beats this, all other that i saw costed aroun 200 euros more. —The preceding comment was added by 78.52.235.190 (talk • contribs)
 * You just edited the article to include that information. (WT-en) LtPowers 21:31, 15 May 2010 (EDT)

Whew!
I have been thinking about another visit to Canada, last one was about 20 years ago. Sooo. I turn here. This text:''Note also that Quebec is not France. Jokes about French stereotypes (Jerry Lewis, poor hygiene, eating frogs' legs, and especially "surrendering": Americans making such a comment are likely to be gently reminded that their country was still neutral when Quebecers, like other Canadians, had already been fighting Germany for two years) will bring puzzled stares, or at best show that you have no idea which continent you're on. And comparing Quebecois culture and language unfavorably to France's is probably not a path to go down, either. Although Quebec and France have many ties, the Quebecois typically regard themselves as a distinct culture quite separate from the country that "abandoned" them three centuries ago. The cultures are so divergent that, in extreme cases, Québécois and Français speaking French to one another will not be mutually intelligible due to linguistic differences. Visitors from France are advised to avoid using overly-familiar terms to refer to a kinship between themselves and a Quebecois where none may exist; the term "p'ti cousin" (little cousin) can be particularly inflammatory.'' Somewhat reminds me of differences between the North and South in USA after the civil war and I do not know if it should be included in a "travel article". Seems more like a political commentary and is a bit scary to a potential visitor. Is this a sort of KKK (white supremecy/skinhead) thing or what. Sounds like someone needs to grow up. (WT-en) 2old 13:39, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

 * I didn't find it particularly offensive at first read, but maybe it's because I'm from there :P. It mostly just outlines the fact that, yes, we're not France, we're not USA and we're also different from the rest of Canada. Anyone who's been around a bit will tend to agree with these three facts. Different doesn't mean better, Quebec just has it's own distinct personality which is a blend of American, French and Latin culture.

 * But, you're probably right. Cultural identity IS a somewhat sensitive issue here and altough lot of people might take offense if you make fun of it (willingly or not) it's probably true of any country, and therefore that extra paragraph brings no extra value over what was already exposed in the rest of the Respect section. As a Quebecer and Montrealer the main point I'd like to convey to tourists is that we're welcoming, tolerant and open-minded. That blurb does exactly the opposite.. I also really can't identify with what it pretends I should find offensive (Eating frog legs?? Come on, who cares!?). Burn it down! -Lp 70.81.26.125 11:06, 3 September 2007 (EDT)

Guide status
I've downgraded this article to usable from guide for two reasons, per the Project:Region guide status guidelines:

 * 1) Some improper formatting of external links
 * 2) Not all linked destinations (regions/cities/other) are at usable status or better
 * 3) Cities list should be reduced to 9

After these three issues are resolved, this excellent article can move up to guide status. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:23, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Four ways to discover Quebec
This section bugs me-- it seems to be propaganda from Bonjour Quebec (though not an outright copyvio) that does not fit our MoS for tone. The relevant information should be folded into the proper sections. I am pasting it here for reference. (WT-en) Maj 16:13, 6 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Moved "Panoramic Driving Tours" to here. Again, good info, but not our style.(WT-en) Maj 19:11, 6 May 2008 (EDT)
 * For easier reference, Talk:Quebec/Driving is the link to the driving tours. I've put the Chemin du Roy route, heavily edited, into Quebec Region. I'm about to drive it tomorrow. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 00:22, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Region boundaries
This article lists 21 tourist regions in the province. I have two suggestions for improving this. First, add more details to this article about what are the boundaries for each region. For instance, I'm planning a drive from Québec (city) to Montréal, and I don't know which of these regions lies in between those two cities. Second, it's Wikivoyage practice to break each region into 7 +/- 2 subregions. 21 is a few too many. Perhaps we could divide this province into 7 travel regions, and break a few of those regions into subregions? Any comments? I'll work on this as I have time. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 12:15, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
 * These regions may be derived from the Québec (provincial) tourist office's breakdown at http://www.bonjourquebec.com/ca-en/regions0.html . They have a map there, and I'll start adding a description to each entry (taking care not to plagiarise the tourist office, of course). (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 20:55, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm going to take a shot at organizing all of these regions into something more manageable. For the most part, I've used the existing regions and grouped them together into something that (I hope!) makes sense...

What are people's thoughts? (note - the map needs a bit of work, the Montreal Region was a last minute change so it doesn't have a separate colour yet. It would be a thin strip between the blue and green regions.) -(WT-en) Shaund 14:17, 1 January 2010 (EST)

 * I don't know enough about the region to comment on the specifics, but as usual with your work, I'll voice that this looks just about perfect per our abstract policies. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:32, 1 January 2010 (EST)

I think you did a really great job to break down the Quebec regions to make them more understandable. I did a division of my own on the Quebec page, trying to make it reflective of how a tourist might experience it. I went with one big region called "Montreal and southwestern Quebec". To me, it would be unusual to visit the Laurentians, Lanaudiere or Monteregie without also visiting Montreal. (A case can be made that the Outaouais and the Eastern Townships are far enough away from Montreal to deserve their own regions, but then we end up with too many top-level regions.) I also divided the north shore from the Gaspé because it's inconvenient to travel from one side of the St.Lawrence to the other at that end of the river. I was tempted to put Saguenay in the Quebec City region, like you did, but they are really far from each other. Reasonable people can disagree, I would be interested to know what you think.(WT-en) Galteglise 11:01, 22 January 2010 (EST)

 * Thanks, I think the changes you made were good. One of my first ideas for Quebec regions was a "Montreal and Southwestern Quebec" region so we were pretty close. I was also undecided about where to put the Saguenay - a Northeastern Quebec region works for me. I'm hoping to get time over the next couple of weeks to draw a map based on your regions and upload it to the page.

 * I was wondering what you thought about the breakdown of subregions for Montreal and Southwestern Quebec. I was thinking that Montreal, Laval and cities on the south shore like Longueuil and Brossard could be combined into a Greater Montreal (basically anything the Metro reached). To me, it seems like a sensible grouping since they're all within easy reach of Montreal, but I'd like to know your thoughts since you're much closer to the area. (WT-en) Shaund 01:15, 23 January 2010 (EST)

 * Good idea. I might suggest adding a bit more to Greater Montreal, to cover the area connected to Montreal by train: Montreal, Laval, those suburbs just north of Laval (Mirabel, Blainville) and about half of the Montérégie: Mont-Saint-Hilaire, Mont-Saint-Bruno, Longueuil, Brossard, Kahnawake, Chateauguay, Vaudreuil, Hudson, Rigaud.  The other subregions of Montreal-Southwestern Quebec could be Laurentians-Lanaudière (they are similar enough to be treated together on one page) and the  Eastern Townships (which could be treated together with the part of the Montérégie not in Greater Montreal).

 * Having thought about it, it might make sense to bump up Outaouais and Saguenay as separate top-level regions of Quebec. Outaouais is quite far from Montreal (and really far from the Eastern Townships, if they are all being treated as the same region); it's really a place you would visit during a trip to Ottawa, rather than a trip to Montreal.  As for Saguenay, it's a very distinctive region of Quebec (own culture, own accent, own geography) much different (and really far) from the small riverside towns that make up  Manicouagan and Duplessis.  That would make seven regions for Quebec (Outaouais, Montreal-Southwestern, Quebec City-Central, Saguenay, Eastern, Northeastern, Northern), which seems about right. (WT-en) Galteglise 18:03, 5 February 2010 (EST)

 * I finally got around to mapping this. Also followed Galteglise's suggestion above and put the Saguenay (as Saguenay-Lac-St-Jean) and Outaouais regions as top level regions. Will update the regions structure shortly.

 * Didn't do anything about a possible Greater Montreal region since I don't have much a feel for it. For now, SW Quebec consists of four regions with Laval and Montreal as cities outside of the sub-region structure. (WT-en) Shaund 14:36, 19 October 2010 (EDT)

Vandalism?
Apparently someone had an unpleasant experience there recently, & decided to vent a few hostilities (WT-en) Scott S 11:03, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * And it was reverted 42 minutes after it was caused — maybe even before you posted this comment! You can help too: see Project:How to handle unwanted edits. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 01:41, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

cities
Should we really be having cities w/o article on here? (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:20, 26 December 2008 (EST).

 * Yes, that way people know to write them up. (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:03, 26 December 2008 (EST)

Specific  Detail    ..
What about  population,  popularity,  etc ??

184.163.238.18 20:56, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

 * What about it? (WT-en) LtPowers 22:57, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

Accents
This is the English version of Wikivoyage, so it makes sense to user the English spelling of Montreal and Quebec, unless they are part of the name of an pension that is shown in French, e.g., Société des alcools du Québec, the accent should be preserved. For places where there is no commonly used English name, like Trois-Rivières and Sept-Îles, keeping the French orthography makes sense. I could go either way about "Quebecois". It's a French word that had been adopted into Canadian English, but I left the accents in. Quebec editors should be careful about editing this article, and remember were writing for an international audience for whom things like "CLSC" will be meaningless. Ground Zero (talk) 19:23, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I see no real need to remove accents just for the sake of doing so. There are plenty of words in English which are very blatant franglais (maître d'hôtel, chargé d'affaires, cinema matinée, café au lait, divorcée, fiancée and the like) which have the accents and are no less comprehensible for their use, much like piñata is an obviously-Spanish word and left as-is as such. If something has an actually-different name in another language (such as "Rivière des Outaouais"/"Ottawa River") that's another matter. I disagree with an accents-stripped "quebecois" as that's neither proper French (where it's "québécois/e") nor proper English (where "Quebecker" is the anglophone term). If "CLSC" is meaningless, that's not because of language alone - I'd expect it means absolutely nothing to a Swiss or an Algerian - and the same issues would apply to any governmental acronym like CENTRO or MARTA. K7L (talk) 19:01, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with accents, except that as an aside, I don't like accents being enforced in words like "cafe" in articles about places throughout the world. In the U.S., we usually omit accents and treat words like "cafe" as full-fledged English. I think this could be a difference between American and Canadian English, with Canadians respecting accents more, and therefore, maybe in articles about Canada, the accents should be used. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:24, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Quebec and Montreal are English placenames as much as they are French placenames becsuse they have been used in English for so long. The words that you noted are foreign words/phrases used in English, so it is the norm to keep the accents. When foreign words become English words, they usually drop the accent, like hotel. Divorcée, fiancée keep their accents because without them, the pronunciation changes, although Ivsn's point is valid: your probably never see the accents in US English. Ground Zero (talk) 20:37, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Not never, just not nearly all the time, and the more a word is considered truly English, as in "cafe", the less you see it in the U.S. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:57, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Just for completeness, and as it may be the source of some of the confusion: British usage often retains the accents on words like café, naïve, façade, although many people wouldn't know how to type them. 130.226.12.38 21:35, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Northernmost border point?
From "Get in#By car", second-last sentence:
 * " Quebec's northernmost international port of entry is US Route 201, which becomes Route 173 toward Saint-Georges."

No. Not even close. The northernmost point of entry is Estcourt (Pohénégamook) which is so far into the sticks (as the northernmost point in Maine) that the only way to get to it without crossing into Canada is to spend a few hours on barely-passable Maine logging roads. There was an international incident several years back where US border guards tried that stunt just to bust someone for buying petrol in some timeslot when the tiny local custom house was closed. Supposedly the population of Estcourt Station was 4 back before the COVID pandemic, no idea if there's anyone left now but the crossing does legally still exist as the logging trucks are supposedly "essential" and Québec makes a good sneaky shortcut for them. —The preceding comment was added by 66.102.87.40 (talk • contribs)

 * I hope you corrected that in the article. If you didn't, please do so now. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:39, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

"Eat" description
This is the first paragraph of "Eat":

''Quebec’s cuisine derives its rich flavour from a blend of influences. It has a solid French culinary base and is enriched by the contribution of the Amerindian peoples and the different cultural communities that have made the province their home. This blend of culinary cultures is what makes Quebec cuisine what it is today. Many quality regional products are also used in its cuisine. Terroir products that grace Quebec tables include ice cider, micro-brewed beer, wine and over 100 different varieties of cheese.''

I think it fails to give an easily understandable description of the cuisine while also being redundant, with overlong sentences, and listy. I may be wrong, but the way I'd like to summarize Quebecois cuisine is more like:

"When in Quebec, expect a hearty, stick-to-your-ribs cuisine as exemplified by poutine, its major contribution to the fast food industry, and lots of meat-and-potatoes stews to help fuel hard labour and keep you warm during the long winter months. As you might expect, it has commonalities with both French and American cuisines, with notable contributions from Indigenous ingredients and techniques and by other communities that arrived as immigrants."

The terroir products are important to mention but should be in a different paragraph. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * "Amerindian" is a term used by anthropologists that is not used in everyday speech, and certainly not by the First Nations of Canada, as it is a portmanteau of two exonyms. It would be better to use "Indigenous". And Canadian spelling ("labour"). Ground Zero (talk) 22:04, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * That makes perfect sense, so I'll make those edits here, but what do you think about the rest of my points? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:09, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay by me, but it would benefit from input by . Ground Zero (talk) 22:11, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, in terms of content, and their input would definitely be welcome. I think, though, that we native English-speakers are better at producing a brief, to-the-point summary from that information. Ground Zero, I think you accidentally copied most or all of the threads that were on this page a couple of edits ago. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:24, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. I don't know how that could have happened. Thanks for fixing it. Ground Zero (talk) 00:50, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It doesn't look like I fixed all of the duplication. I'll try to eliminate what I see. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:38, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

"Northeastern Quebec"
That name on the map seems to refer to the North Shore (Quebec) region. Could someone make the appropriate change on the static map? If it's easy to make, please let me know how to do it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:01, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

 * ✅. Updated the png file (which is the one that's used in the article), though I kept getting an error when I tried to update the svg file. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:54, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

"Quebec cuisine" thumbnail
Could a more specific caption be substituted for that? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:02, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

A 300km gap in the road
Just noticed something odd in the route box at the bottom of Bonne-Espérance, Blanc-Sablon, Forteau and Petit-Mécatina - the route looks like this:

Does it make sense to claim that QC138, the road through Vieux-Fort, goes to Malone (New York)? If there's a 300km+ gap with no road of any kind, for all intents and purposes the "chemin du roy" from Massena->Mtl->ville de Québec->Kegasha and the road from Vieux-Fort to Blanc-Sablon are really two different, disconnected highways... even if they do have the same number (QC138). If the road ends for 350km, you are not driving to Malone. 204.237.90.118 01:49, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

 * I believe these routeboxes were added by, who is currently the subject of a userban nomination. Agree that a 300-km gap is way too far, in addition to the routebox being overly long. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 01:52, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Quebec/Discover

Four ways to discover Québec
Québec offers four different tourist experiences, each with a wide range of activities.

The City Experience
Montréal, Québec City and Gatineau are an integral part of Québec’s City Experience. Combining a European feel with the modernity of North America, Québec’s major cities charm visitors with their vibrancy, energy and warmth. The cultural life of these cities is well developed with many festivals, shows and museums, and they also offer high-quality hotels and restaurants.

Québec City
Each of the major cities offers a new facet of Québec to discover. The capital, Québec City, is the only fortified city in North America and has its own European cachet. The oldest Francophone city in North America, Québec City was named a World Heritage Site by UNESCO in 1985 and will celebrate its 400th anniversary in 2008.

Montréal
The only Francophone metropolis in North America, Montréal is also the second largest Francophone city after Paris in terms of population.6 This major centre of 3.4 million inhabitants is a tapestry of cultures from the world over with its many neighbourhoods, including Chinatown, the Latin Quarter, the Gay Village, Little Italy, the Plateau Mont-Royal, the Quartier International and Old Montréal, just to name a few.7 Montréal [6] has a rich architectural heritage, along with many cultural activities, sports events and festivals.

Gatineau
Neighbouring Canada��s capital, Ottawa, Gatineau offers a broad mix of both urban and natural tourist attractions. It is host to many cultural and entertainment activities, including the Canadian Museum of Civilization and the Casino du Lac-Leamy. For those who love the outdoors, Gatineau Park has plenty of hiking, interpretation, cross-country skiing and cycling trails.

Resorts
There are many different resort activities in Québec. Resort accommodations can be found in the countryside or deep in the forest. Here is a brief overview of resort activities in Québec:

 * Spas-Relais Santé: Resorts offering spa treatments for health and well-being. Personalized care such as massage therapy, algotherapy and hydrotherapy.
 * Hôtellerie Champêtre: A network of around 20 inns and hotels in Québec. These establishments have been selected for their personalized welcome, comfort and cuisine inspired by regional products.8
 * Mont-Tremblant Resort: Located in the Laurentides region, Mont-Tremblant Resort is a four-season resort offering activities for the whole family.
 * Bed and breakfasts: Bed and breakfasts are private residences that offer accommodations in up to five rooms and that serve breakfast.
 * Tourism routes: You can travel Québec by bike, on foot or by car along its tourism routes.
 * National parks: Québec has 27 protected national parks for exploring nature and enjoying the outdoors.
 * Southern Quebec:Located on the south shore of the St. Lawrence River between the major cities of Montreal and Quebec City and the American border. Birthplace of rural life in Canada, this uniquely charming region captivates visitors with its beauty, the richness of its history and the warmth of the people who bring it to life.

The St. Lawrence River

The St. Lawrence River is one of the largest rivers in the world and historically was the means of access to the centre of North America. Its 1,800 kilometres (1,120 mi.) are lined with old coastal villages, bird and marine mammal sanctuaries, lighthouses and verdant and rocky shores. The river is one of the largest navigable waterways in the world, and its estuary is known for its wide variety of marine mammals, birds and fish that live there year-round.

Upstream from Montréal to the tip of Gaspésie, a road borders the shores of the St. Lawrence River, allowing drivers to explore a coastline that changes from mountainous to rural to wilderness. At one point, visitors can explore the rich Saguenay Fjord.

The 1,600-kilometre (994-mi.) St. Lawrence River transforms into a gulf that is more like an inland sea. The Gulf of St. Lawrence can be travelled by ferry, sailboat, kayak or cruise ship. Whale watching is very popular in Québec, particularly in Tadoussac.

There are also many islands and archipelagos with rich flora and fauna scattered along the river. The Île d'Anticosti and the Îles-de-la-Madeleine have fascinating legends from sailors and fishermen who continue to live there.

Adventures

For those who enjoy the outdoors and adventure, Québec’s wide open spaces have a great deal to offer. There are many outdoor sports, hunting and fishing activities visitors can enjoy:
 * Québec’s outfitters: Québec’s outfitters offer services and accommodations to hunters, anglers, families and those who enjoy the outdoors. They are located in the heart of the forest.
 * Aboriginal peoples: Visitors can discover the traditional way of life of the first inhabitants of the territory, the Aboriginals.
 * National parks: Québec has 27 protected national parks for exploring nature and enjoying the outdoors.
 * Aventure Écotourisme Québec: An association of professional adventure tourism and ecotourism operators in Québec.

St Jean-Baptiste
 * St. Jean-Baptiste (Fête Nationale), province-wide. June 24. The saint day of John the Baptist is also the national holiday of Quebec. With origins in France, the holiday took on major importance in the New World since it coincided with the summer gathering of fur traders. Many Quebecois celebrate the beginning of summer with backyard barbecues and parties at home, but there are also large public events in almost any town in the province, and huge public concerts in Montreal and Quebec City. A great day to see what makes Quebec so special.

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Panoramic routes
Québec road maps By taking these routes you will discover a host of picturesque towns and villages bordering majestic rivers and dotting the vast expanses of forest. You will be treated to some magnificent panoramic views.

Here are a few of them:

 * Montréal-Québec City: This section of highway 138, also called the King’s Road, runs along the St. Lawrence River from Repentigny to Cap-Rouge, passing by some of the most delightful historic towns in Québec. A small section of this route, Avenue Royale, extends into the municipality of Beauport, east of Québec City, where you can see homes dating back to the French colonization.

 * Tour of the Gaspésie region: Highway 132 loops around the Gaspé Peninsula. It’s best to start this tour from the southern part (Chaleur Bay) and come back along the South Shore of the St. Lawrence River. The route features increasingly spectacular scenery including the famous Percé Rock.

 * Québec City-Sept-Îles: Highway 138 east crosses the Charlevoix, Manicouagan and Duplessis  regions. This breathtaking route is winding and mountainous so be careful!

 * Trois-Rivières-La Tuque: Highway 155 north runs along the Rivière Saint-Maurice, one of the most used waterways during log-driving times.

For those who enjoy winding their way along country roads, this region’s various wine routes are a must (Brome-Missisquoi, highway 104 and highway 202). To reach the eastern part of this region, i.e. Lac Mégantic, taking highway 108 starting in Magog is worth the trip.
 * Eastern Townships: From Granby to Sherbrooke, highway 10 provides attractive scenery through the north-west section of the Appalachians.

 * Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean: There are five lovely forested routes you can take to reach this region. Make sure your gas tank is full and beware of moose, which frequently cross the roads in this area!

Highway 155 north passes Trois-Rivières and La Tuque and takes you directly to Lac-Saint-Jean, providing a magnificent view!

From Québec City, highway 175 north crosses the Parc national de la Jacques-Cartier and the renowned Réserve faunique des Laurentides. This sinuous, hilly forested route offers a choice of two destinations at the fork of highway 169 north: Chicoutimi or Hébertville.

From Baie-Saint-Paul, the 381 north takes you to the town of La Baie by way of the Parc national des Grands-Jardins and Lac Ha!Ha! This lesser known route takes you through one of Québec’s less travelled wilderness regions.

From Saint-Siméon, highway 170 north joins the western shore of the Saguenay Fjord and takes you along a winding wooded route to the town of La Baie.

From Tadoussac, highway 172 north runs alongside the Saguenay Fjord all the way to Chicoutimi. However, the best way to explore the Parc national du Saguenay and its fjord is to take a little cruise between Tadoussac and Chicoutimi.

Tourism Routes

 * King’s Road (this historical 18th-century road connects Québec City and Montréal)
 * New France Route (connecting Québec City and Cap-Tourmente, this 50-kilometre (30-mi.) route is a trip through time)
 * Whale Route (Manicouagan and Duplessis)
 * Navigators’ Route
 * Wine Route (Eastern Townships)
 * St. Lawrence Route (Charlevoix)
 * Border Route (Bas-Saint-Laurent, the borders of New Brunswick and Maine)
 * Agricultural tour (Southern Québec)

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Talk:Quebec City

Quebec is at 250 Km of Mtl, so 2-3 hours and not 3-4. No, at least 3 hours given standard driving conditions, trust me I know, I drive there and back every weekend

Places to See, Do
A really nice place to visit is the Musée de la civilisation. Many thematical exhibitions and a lot of activities for the whole family. Near the magnificient St-Lawrence River, it's a beautiful place to walk through.

 * Thanks for the contribution, but feel free to just edit the article!Plunge forward and help it grow!'' (WT-en) Majnoona 05:08, 15 Feb 2004 (EST)

There are other big places like the Musée de Québec, zoo and aquarium that should be pointed out. 24.201.38.197 22:02, 20 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * By all means, please add them. See Project:Where you can stick it if you have any questions about where in the article those attractions should go, and Project:Attraction listings if you have any questions about format. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 22:08, 20 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * Thanks —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 24.137.215.78 (talk • contribs)

sugar shacks
The sugar shacks on Ile d'Orleans are regarded as tourist traps. They are not the real ones where you can get the traditional meals. The Quebecois prefer ones in other areas, especially the Beauce (south of Quebec City). An example is Cabane a Pierre in Frampton (http://www.cabaneapierre.com/englishversion.htm). This might be more appropriate for the Chaudiere-Appalaches page.

Quebec lawsuit
Hotel suing a customer over a bad review. We have a "no bad reviews" policy and it is not completely clear this customer is right, but to me it seems completely clear the management are idiots so it seemed worth a link here. Pashley (talk) 00:07, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Featured article?
Is this article ready for Dotm? Or is anything missing? /Yvwv (talk) 12:28, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It is missing recent information. Most of the mistings were added five years ago or more. Ground Zero (talk) 21:07, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

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Page banner
I have "accidentally" created this banner without having a target article for it, but I think I like it slightly better than the current one (which is actually not bad, either), because it doesn't only show the big body of the building, but also quite some area around. Any objections against changing it? --Danapit (talk) 10:54, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I will place it to Central Quebec, because it has the same banner as Quebec Region at the moment. Issue solved. Danapit (talk) 10:57, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Queens

Untitled
It would be nice to reformat this to match the district article template. -- (WT-en) Evan 09:45, 7 Nov 2003 (PST)

At some point, it might be good to expand the listing of eateries in some of the neighborhoods and separate those listings from general descriptions of the neighborhoods. I could list several more eateries in Flushing, for example, and probably will at some future point. -- Michael 10:09, 19 Jun 2006 (UTC)

I decided that Flushing merits its own page, so I started one:

http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/New_York_%28city%29/Queens/Flushing

Please help it grow! -- Michael 10:23, 29 Jun 2006 (UTC)

I have moved this obviously promotional listing here:

 * Wingate Inn and Suites LaGuardia Airport New York, 137-07 Northern Boulevard Flushing, NY. Our affordable hotel at LaGuardia Airport in New York is convenient to Manhattan and features a range of complimentary amenities,including breakfast, wireless and high-speed Internet access for staying connected on the road. Phone: (718) 445-3300.

If any of you feel this hotel merits listing, please edit the language as befits a non-promotional guide.

Getting in from JFK or LaGuardia
I would think this is a "Get In" item - or at least a "Get Out" item. Why is transportation to Queens by plane, and from the airports, not relevant to this article? (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 07:05, 27 February 2010 (EST)

 * Because it's already in the top-level NYC article, same way it's handled with the other four borough articles. There's nothing I can think of that's specific to Queens as a whole, except maybe a reminder that both airports are already in Queens, and neighborhood-specific advice properly stays in neighborhood articles.
 * I don't know why Queens is missing a Get Around section... probably worth writing one. That laundry list of all 15 subway lines under Get In isn't helpful (even the briefest glance at the MTA map will be far more informative), but a few sentences broadly covering the areas with and without service might help. -- (WT-en) D. Guillaime 18:04, 27 February 2010 (EST)

Relative sizes of Chinatowns
I do not want to get into an editing war, but my assertion is that Flushing is much bigger than Manhattan's Chinatown. I'm familiar with both Chinatowns. Does anyone want to argue the point? If so, argue it here. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 03:20, 12 March 2010 (EST)

How do you know that the Flushing Chinatown is more bigger than the Manhattan Chinatown? On wikipeida it keeps on saying that the Flushing Chinatown is the second-largest Chinatown in New York City. Also since you say that the Flushing Chinatown is the biggest Chinatown in New York City, how come wikipedia does not have it's own entry article page about the Flushing Chinatown? I think some someone should go to wikipedia and create an entry article page about the Flushing Chinatown and also create a entry article page about the Brooklyn Chinatown in Sunset Park, because those Chinatowns are surpassing the original Manhattan Chinatown in size and population due to economic downturns in the Manhattan Chinatown. Look, I was one time trying to create entry article pages about the Flushing Chinatown and the Brooklyn Chinatown in Sunset Park, but for some reason i was blocked for no reason and they said that i was commiting a vandalism by saying that Flushing is the largest Chinatown and that it surpassed the Manhattan Chinatown. I think me and you should work together as a team and agree with your statement by going to wikipedia and go to all the article entry pages that say that Flushing is the second largest Chinatown in New York City and delete all those unsourced statements and claims and then create the actually entry pages for the Flushing Chinatown and the Brooklyn Chinatown in Sunset Park, Brooklyn. Also be aware that there are now Chinatowns in Elmhurst, Queens and in the Homecrest section of Avenue U in Brooklyn. The best thing to do right know is to seperate each Chinatown in New York City by createing there own wikipedia article entry pages to prevent any more claims and unsourced information into one Chinatown article. (96.232.9.195 19:42, 12 March 2010 (EST)).

Wikipedia is a different kind of Wiki reference than Wikivoyage. Original research cannot be used in Wikipedia articles, whereas Wikivoyage is fundamentally based on personal experience. So my feeling is that, whereas it may be the case that no authoritative written source suitable for citation in a Wikipedia article has yet made the observation that Flushing is a bigger Chinatown than the one in Manhattan, we can talk about what we have personally experienced, and have the right to be ahead of the curve. I'm assuming that the complaints about vandalism were on Wikipedia, not Wikivoyage; is that right? If so, let's talk specifics.

The Chinese neighborhood in Flushing extends on Main St. from somewhere north of Northern Blvd. to somewhere south of Cherry Av. (there was until recently a big Cantonese banquet/dim sum restaurant on Booth Memorial Av., south of the Queens Botanic Gardens) - a distance of 13+ blocks; on Kissena Blvd. from the junction with Main St. to somewhere further south than Holly Av. - I'll be very conservative and say Laburnum Av., for a distance of 15 blocks (but I'm sure it's more); and then the neighborhood extends for some distance along Roosevelt and parallel Avenues, and Northern Blvd. How many square blocks is that? Is that bigger or smaller than Manhattan's Chinatown, which if we include areas awarded to the Lower East Side article extends east to west from Essex St. to Broadway at its widest extent (16 blocks along Canal St.) and from approximately Worth St. to Delancey (8 blocks). I think that Flushing is bigger in area (I know Manhattan's Chinatown better because I live a 15-minute walk from there). It also has more very big Chinese supermarkets (partly a function of the cost of space, but the stores still need clientele and are very crowded), and just feels more heavily Chinese and less non-Chinese in the center of the neighborhood.

It sounds like we agree that Flushing is actually bigger, but I'll concede the point if it's too difficult to arrive at a consensus here. Having had substantial experience in both neighborhoods, it's clear to me which one feels more Chinese and bigger in area. You can't walk a mile north in Manhattan's Chinatown - you'll be in the East Village by that point - but you can easily walk a mile south of the Flushing - Main St. stop on the 7 Train and still be in the Chinese part of Flushing. It's possible that population density is lower in Flushing, but it sure doesn't feel that way when you're shopping at any of the numerous food stores that line Main St., Kissena Blvd., and Roosevelt Av. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 01:46, 13 March 2010 (EST)

Can you go to wikipedia and do me this favor by createing a article entry page for the Flushing Chinatown, so they way we can all agree on one of it's own information and not mix it up with the Manhattan Chinatown. (96.232.6.107 08:43, 13 March 2010 (EST)).

No. As I said, Wikipedia has different standards of what information is acceptable to use, and I will not violate their terms by posting "original research." I don't think we need to regard Wikipedia as our authoritative source on Wikivoyage, but perhaps some other people would like to weigh in on that. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 09:02, 13 March 2010 (EST)

Did the Flushing Chinatown ever surpassed the Manhattan Chinatown or not yet? (96.232.6.107 12:08, 13 March 2010 (EST)).

 * Having watched this battle from afar, wouldn't it be sufficient to just use language such as "Like Manhattan, Flushing has an extremely large Chinatown"? Editors seem to get caught up in arguments all the time about what is the biggest, largest, etc - see Talk:Yosemite National Park for one such example - but it doesn't really matter to a traveler if Chinatown A is bigger than Chinatown B; just describe both and point out why (or why not) they are worth visiting. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:37, 13 March 2010 (EST)

 * Or we can feed the trolls. Oops, my bad for not seeing what was going on here; I'd be fine with using (WT-en) Ikan Kekek's suggestions, although when there is any ambiguity at all it's generally best to avoid superlatives like "biggest" or "largest". -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:56, 13 March 2010 (EST)

 * Ryan: I think you're right. Your proposed sentence is a sensible solution. Thanks. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 21:30, 13 March 2010 (EST)

Districts

What with Flushing, Elmhurst, and Jamaica all being made individual articles, I really think it's time to come up with a districts breakdown for Queens. While I don't know Queens well, I did spend some time coming up with a starting breakdown with someone who does know the borough well. Are there any good free-content maps of Queens? (WT-en) Rastapopulous 10:30, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

 * There aren't, but you wouldn't have to twist my arm to make another neighborhood map for an interesting area ;) What I can't guarantee, though, is how long it will take. The Brooklyn neighborhoods map took quite some time, and I had more of it when I made it. I'll try to get to work, basing the neighborhood borders on the info at Wikipedia and various images I'm finding (especially this, but also possibly any of these , , , ). Please let me know if you find any other good sources of information.  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:53, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

 * I've been using the map from city-data and I did draw up a very rough districts thing, but since the maps' not open source, I couldn't share it. (WT-en) Rastapopulous 11:07, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Could you upload it to a different file hosting service (flickr, picasa, etc.)? I'm going to draw the neighborhoods onto an OSM export, but in the meantime, it would be nice to see what you have drawn.  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 11:27, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

 * The map is here: .  As for what the districts are:

 * Yellow: Long Island City
 * Pink: Jackson Heights (Absorb the existing Elmhurst article into here)
 * Green: Forest Park
 * Blue: Flushing-Northeast (Absorb the existing Flushing article into here)
 * Brown: Jamaica
 * Sea Blue: The Rockaways.

 * (WT-en) Rastapopulous 12:27, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

Note to self, this map is also useful.

It looks like zip codes may be the best source of neighborhood boundaries? I'd like to get an answer here before continuing further (and possibly setting myself up for a ton of extra revising work). If so, I'll use a map like this. --Peter 20:59, 11 April 2010 (EDT)

That map actually looks great! (WT-en) Rastapopulous 12:20, 12 April 2010 (EDT)

 * However, do be aware that some of these postal code districts should be split. Eg everything above Hillside Avenue would probably be best in say, Flushing-Northeast (or wherever), while everything below would be best in Jamaica (that's basically the safety boundary).  And Flushing Meadows-Corona park, which is in two separate districts in that map, should ideally be in one (prob Flushing, but maybe Jackson Heights?)(WT-en) Rastapopulous 12:27, 12 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Whew, time consuming, but fascinating maps! Do these look good? I wound up basing the borders loosely upon those used on Yelp and Wikimapia more than any of the dozen links above. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:22, 20 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Indeed, they do look good! I only have two concerns: the "Long Island City" district should be named "Astoria" or perhaps hyphenated with both, since LIC is tiny in comparison; and assigning Howard Beach and Lindenwood to the Rockaways strikes me as wrong both geographically and culturally.  I would merge those mainland neighborhoods into Jamaica instead: they're largely residential and un-touristy except for the transit connection to JFK, so keeping it in the district that covers JFK works nicely.   — (WT-en) D. Guillaime 16:04, 20 April 2010 (EDT)

 * I was told by a Howard Beach resident that they belong more w/ the Rockaways than w/ Jamaica. As for LIC, that might make sense, to paraphrase Peter from Brooklyn, LIC has the sights and Astoria the eats.  (WT-en) Rastapopulous 16:31, 20 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Any objections or should I get started? (WT-en) Rastapopulous 20:23, 19 May 2010 (EDT)

 * As per Peter's statuses in Talk, I have implemented the districts scheme in Queens. Changes are still possible though, but at least things now can get started. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 08:32, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

Map
The name of the article for Long Island City has been changed to Long Island City and Astoria. Could somebody help make this change on its label in the Queens district map? Thanks. – sumone10154 ( talk ) 00:13, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Photos
I think this article needs more pretty photos. What should we have? I tried to find pretty photos of the Queensboro Bridge but wasn't too satisfied with what I saw on Commons. Other ideas would be a view looking at the Triboro from Astoria, or perhaps the Whitestone Bridge, which is another pretty one.

Aside from bridges, some ideas I have are a picture of somewhere in the Arthur Ashe Tennis Center, possibly a picture of something from the World's Fair Grounds, but the banner has that adequately covered, perhaps a picture of downtown Flushing with all the Chinese signs, perhaps some leafy stretch of Forest Hills or a park (Forest Park?). Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:30, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

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I'm using this page as a holding place for this entry, until it becomes clear what their new address will be. They are no longer at the address shown below:

Unique Pastry, 135-23 40th Road (between Main and Prince Sts., one block south of Roosevelt Av.), (718) 888-7790, serves Fuzhounese sesame buns, both sweet and savory, for $2 and less apiece, mostly for takeout, and also makes good noodle soups and such. This is a fine place to get a good, inexpensive breakfast or lunch. By dinner time, they are likely to be out of their most popular buns. Their eat-in operation is currently temporarily suspended, but their takeout operation continues as usual.

Michael, 5:13 AM EST Sept 21, 2006

Relative Size of Chinatowns
I also posted about this on the "Talk" page of the Queens article. I would like to read the argument on Manhattan's Chinatown being bigger than Flushing. I don't know on what basis that argument can be made - conceivably (though I think this is doubtful) in population, but I would think definitely not in area. I will check the Wikipedia articles, but I'll note that Wikipedia can be out of date or inaccurate. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 03:32, 12 March 2010 (EST)

Names of the neighborhoods covered by this article
We should name and describe them all. They include Flushing, College Point, Bayside, Little Neck, and what else? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:01, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Restaurant update
Most New Yorkers who live some distance from Flushing go there mostly for food (that is, when they're not going to Mets games, but that's a different part of Flushing). I haven't been to Flushing in some time, but I know the "Eat" section needs major updates and additions. If you know something about the current restaurant scene in the neighborhood, please update! Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:12, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

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Regions
The Queensland article could seriously use a complete set of regions covering the entire state, at the moment there are just a few regions covering a scattering of the state. I'm listing it on Project:Articles needing attention. (WT-en) Hypatia 20:12, 19 Jun 2005 (EDT)

City/Town lists
Could someone edit the City/Town lists a bit? I don't have enough information to do the reduction, but I think the lists are a little to long at the moment... (WT-en) Jamboo 09:02, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Until these towns are moved to their respective region pages, I'll keep the list here, to prevent them being lost in the system.

 * Airlie Beach
 * Birdsville
 * Bundaberg
 * Bowen
 * Caloundra
 * Charleville
 * Charters Towers
 * Childers
 * Cooktown in Cook Shire
 * Coolum
 * Cooroy
 * Eumundi
 * Flaxton
 * Gympie
 * Kingaroy
 * Maleny
 * Mapleton
 * Maroochydore
 * Montville
 * Mount Isa
 * Nambour
 * Noosa
 * Longreach
 * Roma
 * Stanthorpe
 * St George
 * Toowoomba
 * Tully
 * Yandina

(WT-en) Iciac 21:26, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Do vs Destinations
We should make sure that the Do section, covers thigns to do, and isn't just a repeat of the destinations section of the article. --(WT-en) Inas 20:33, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

Tourism Queensland
Hi,

My name is Kane, I am working with Tourism Queensland to add further detail to this Queensland Wikivoyage page. Over the next week or so I will be editing and adding new content to this page.

If anyone has any questions, suggestions or comments about what we are doing, please don't hesitate to contact us through this Talk page.

Thanks,

Kane

Queensland Map
Hi All,

Would anyone be interested in helping to create a Queensland Map with colour coded regions?

Thanks in advance.

 * I'm sure someone will step up, if you could just provide an outline with the borders of the different regions - in google maps, in an already existing image somewhere, or just a rough sketch in whatever graphics software you are familiar with. It's a pretty easy job, once that is taken care of. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 13:00, 6 December 2009 (EST)

Thanks for the reply Stefan,

Here is a outline of the regions in Queensland as provided by Tourism Queensland.

http://www.queenslandholidays.com.au/fms/documents/visitor_information_centres_map08.pdf Hope this is helpful. Thanks :)

Cities and OD's
Are out of control. Nine of each please! I guess this is related to the point above about sub-regionalising Queensland. I will draw the map, if someone undertakes to do sub-regionalisation donkey work. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:06, 19 February 2010 (EST)

 * There is a map that has been uploaded here, although it is not clear that the Queensland Tourism Authority has indeed agree to release it into the Public Domain. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:31, 19 February 2010 (EST)

 * Good one. And of all people, the Queensland Polcie Dept has an interesting map here. I quite like some of that division. I have travelled around Queensland twice but cannot pretend I am any sort of expert. Referencing the police map, I am thinking something like:

 * Far North as it is (maybe called Cape York Peninsula)
 * Northern and Central merged and then divided with a north/south running line into a Coastal region (Central Coast?) and a Hinterland region. The Great Dividing Range might work very well as the defining border.
 * Southern Region as is but it needs a name.
 * The 3 small (but heavily populated) southern coastal regions combined split into two - Greater Brisbane and Gold Coast. Or does it need 3 with a Sunshine Coast (north of Brisbane) region as well?
 * Great Barrier Reef for all offshore islands.

 * That would make 7 or 8 regions. Please, let's have some local Australian input.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 21:34, 19 February 2010 (EST)

Regioning Queensland
Could you please discuss the strategy for regions. Do you intend changing all the existing region articles to match the Queensland tourism ones? --(WT-en) inas 21:20, 24 February 2010 (EST)

 * Err.. who is that question directed at? I am keen to draw a Wkitravel style map once we have some sensible regions.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:04, 24 February 2010 (EST)

 * It is addressed to whoever defined a full set of regions, and the put a copy of the Queensland tourism map in the article, and set up all the regions in this article. Currently, these aren't agreed, and they point to many articles that aren't regions, and ignore many that are.  Not that I would object if there were consensus to use these regions, but having just spent a while putting all the Queensland articles into regions, I didn't want to do the task again for a new set of regions, unless the strategy was apparent, and the change should be coordinated. --(WT-en) inas 23:38, 24 February 2010 (EST)

 * It is a mess at the moment agreed. And way too many regions with a map which looks like a copyvio.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:22, 3 March 2010 (EST)

 * Also what is the score with the map? It appears to be owned by Tourism Queensland, but has been uploaded here as a public domain image. Seems a bit unlikely. Before it is vfd'd anything to say?--(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:36, 3 March 2010 (EST)

 * As a local, I would have to say that I have no particular problem with the regioning, with one exception. South East Queensland is commonly referred to locally. Including for things like storm or bushfire fire warnings. I know that there is a link in the first text body, but I think it needs more emphasis. Inconveniently, it includes Queenslands two largest population centres (Brisbane and Gold Coast). I'm not practised enough at wiki editing to undertake the task of somehow incorporating regions within regions, but I think it's important enough that it should be changed.--Uzetaab (talk) 12:29, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Question to English native speakers
In the Capricornia description it's written: "ranging from beaches to gemfields". What are the "gemfields"? I guess that are areas for mineral extraction, but I'm not sure about it, so I don't know if it's a correct terminology. -- Andyrom75 (talk) 06:14, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Regions
Reading over the article, I think the regions of Queensland need to be updated and streamlined, the current system seems clunky and awkward. I would propose the following, based off the map at right.

 * Southeast Queensland (Brisbane and Gold Coast) – Economic centre of the state, containing the capital Brisbane and the vibrant holiday hotspot Gold Coast.
 * Central Queensland (Sunshine Coast, Fraser Coast, Bundaberg, Coral Coast and Country, Capricornia, Mackay, Whitsunday Islands, Townsville) – Charming towns, sugarcane plantations and a melting pot of coastal and country influences along a stretch of pristine tropical coast.
 * Far North Queensland (Far North but not all the way to the NT Border) – Home to Cairns, Port Douglas and the lush Daintree Rainforest, the Far North is an ideal base for exploring the Great Barrier Reef.
 * Outback Queensland (Parts of Far North, Outback Queensland, Western Downs, South East Queensland Country) – Wide open spaces stretching from the Outback to the fertile Darling Downs, with fun-loving locals, rugged terrain, rodeos and country festivals.
 * Great Barrier Reef – The world's longest reef system is one of the seven natural wonders of the world, composed of more than 2,900 reefs and 900 islands and home to unique coral species and wildlife.

Maybe another region could be created out of the Western Downs and South East Queensland Country?

 * Darling Downs – Agricultural centre with a blossoming food and wine culture and stunning natural heritage attractions.

Thoughts? :) Hshook (talk) 17:55, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

 * I've done this proposal including a map, plunge forward and all that. Currently reordering all the pages to suit. Hshook (talk) 19:26, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * As for as I'm concerned, this is excellent. This region has been a mess for ages, and the new map is beautiful! Texugo (talk) 20:01, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate! I could see that this whole talk page was filled with discussion and I thought it wouldn't take too long (which it didn't). I love this site and I thought it was time to give back haha Hshook (talk) 12:20, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

 * It is a really good map, but I disagree that the Sunshine Coast should be in 'Central Queensland'. It should be bundled with Brisbane and the Gold Coast in South East Queensland. It doesn't make sense to put in in a region that stretches all the way up to Townsville. Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:21, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

New banner
I find the existing banner of the top of some palm trees a not very interesting representation of this state.

Any thoughts on the replacement? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:22, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

 * Both of your new banners are beautiful. I find your 2nd proposal a more satisfying image, in terms of form, but I don't know Queensland, so I can't express an opinion about which one more fittingly depicts the state. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:53, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

 * Apologies, I managed to use non-CC source for this somehow. I have withdrawn both images, but will have another go with correct CC images later.
 * Just to address the question of representation, most Australian states have diverse views (oceans, beaches, cliffs, forests, bush, desert) so it is hard to find one that sums up an entire state. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 20:06, 16 November 2015 (UTC)i

 * Some states are easier than other - black swan for western australia, certain symbols are better than scenes, opera house for sydney and by connection new south wales... queensland for many from other states is another country...  but single image is hard, what chances of 2 or 3 adjacent images?  JarrahTree (talk) 00:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

 * I believe that 2 or 3 adjacent images would represent a 'montage', that we are technically against as per Image policy, although discussion on the Banner expedition has shown that we are at least open to the idea of a well created montage as a banner.
 * I think that should a montage be created then it would likely face opposition since many people seem to be against the idea in principle. No harm in trying though. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:49, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

 * I'm not opposed to seeing any montage proposals, but generally am not a fan of them. Single images are much more striking and beautiful, while montages seem a little dated. Also, if you're not aware of it, this tool is useful for finding CC images on Flickr. James A ▪ talk 01:13, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

 * OK thanks both for your feedback, I hear that... I am not a fan of trawling flickr images, but thats from a complex issue that exists at commons, ( I have just found one of my photos from many years ago utilised as a banner image...) I undertand that a good single image of a recognisable location in queensland remains an open challenge... phew!  good luck JarrahTree (talk) 01:21, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

 * I hear you. It's very difficult to find an image wide enough to be appropriate as a banner! James A ▪ talk 03:47, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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Other destinations
Should Gondwana forests be listed as some of them are NSW. Perhaps someone could pick one destination that's part of the Heritage site. We could also put Wet Tropics of Queensland as a collection of world heritage sites though there's no article for that yet. Tai123.123 (talk) 00:10, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

 * That could work, although I'm wondering on whether it should be replaced with Lamington National Park (currently a draft in my userspace) which is the largest Queensland national park as part of the Gondwana Rainforests World Heritage Area.
 * The Wet Tropics of Queensland is mostly taken up by Daintree National Park (which is already listed in the #Other destinations) although I have plans to rewrite it and turn it into a Daintree Rainforest article. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:17, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, that park seems fine. Tai123.123 (talk) 00:21, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that Boodjamulla National Park wasn't listed and it's a world heritage site. Maybe that could replace Bunya Mountains National Park. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:05, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * As there's been no opposition to add Boodjamulla National Park, I'm just going to replace it with Bunya Mtns. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:57, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @Tai123.123 I moved Lamington NP out of my userspace so I've implemented your suggestion. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:51, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, you know more about Queensland than me Tai123.123 (talk) 05:00, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, that's because I used to live there until I moved down south. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Adelaide to Brisbane in "By car"
Not sure whether it is necessary to include Adelaide. It's a super unusual route to take because you'd pass through either Sydney or Melbourne and hard to keep up-to-date with highway upgrades. Any objections to removing it and replacing it with Canberra, which is a much more reasonable destination, because it's a route that people actually use. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:31, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

 * Have removed it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:04, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Replace Hervey Bay with the Sunshine Coast
Queensland's second largest tourist city definitely deserves to be on the "Cities" list than a small city that is often omitted by travellers when exploring the coast of Queensland. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

 * Done. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:23, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

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Parapenting might be the same as or a variation of parasailing, but I don't really know much about it. See this site and a photo. (WT-en) DhDh 14:17, 5 Dec 2003 (PST)

Parasailing involves being towed by a speedboat while wearing a parachute (sail). As shown in your examples, parapenting is free flight. (WT-en) Tiles 20:40, 30 Dec 2003 (PST)

Brothel
I dropped the brothel note, per the sex tourism policy. --(WT-en) Evan 22:08, 6 Jun 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:Questacon

I don't know from Down Under so I'm not sure if this fits under our Project:What's an article?. Could someone check? (WT-en) Maj 22:29, 23 September 2006 (EDT)

 * Doesn't look like it: (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:58, 23 September 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Quetta

I just removed an entire section on "wildlife", which appeared to have been copied from: http://www.cybercity-online.net/Pakistan/html/fauna___flora_in_pakistan.html Text there is labelled "Copyrights© 1998-2003, CYBER CITY ONLINE  [CCOL]".

Could the (no doubt well-meaning) person who inserted this text please read the Wikivoyage policy and remove any other copyright-violating text. Or, if I'm wrong here, please explain how. (WT-en) Pashley 11:20, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

Thanks to the anon user for all the contributions here. I have moved some around, to sections that are used in all Wikivoyage pages. (WT-en) Pashley 13:15, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Quetzaltenango

I added a "learn" section, as the abundance of language schools seemed to merit it. I alphabetized the listing of schools, since without more information about all of them it seems unwise to place them in some kind of ordered list based on merit. Wikivoyage thinks I'm not signed in, don't know why. -Kelsey 216.184.126.3 17:39, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Quime

"Quime Mountains from Hostal Colibri" photo
Nice photo. Should the caption be changed to avoid promoting the hostal? What do you all think? (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 21:19, 17 December 2011 (EST)

Sure, actually I like it better as you have edited it. I have also revised the page according to your commentary in the history section. Thanks.

 * Thank you. I'm sorry for the inconvenience. Nothing personal here, and I look forward to more contributions from you.

 * All the best,

 * (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 20:40, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

 * P.S. Please sign your posts on talk pages (and only on talk pages) by typing 4 tildes in a row before you hit "Enter."

There is no way to maintain or pay for a .com website in Quime so the author uses wordpress as its official site, it is not meant as a blog and was put up on wiki as a link monthes ago due to popular demand. Hope it doesnt get deleted.

190.181.32.8 20:53, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

 * Understood, and thanks for the explanation. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 22:47, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

Hello again!

Because the reference to a certain bicycle rental service in Quime was deleted, I added the contact information for the Quime service through the mayor's office (rather round about way to do things). As you remember this was $5-7 for the daily rental (essentially non-profit) and no guide or agency needed.

Just out of curiousity I looked up the Coroico page and found that four different tourist agencies have posted their bicycle agency advertisements on this page with a minimum cost of $75 per day. This is a multimillion dollar business. I am not into deleting anything on the Coroico page but it does seem unfair to allow these four tour agencies their propaganda and the Quime non-profit to be deleted.

200.105.182.172 16:12, 20 March 2012 (EDT)

May I add this web site as a primary source for bicycling in Quime? Delete if innappropriate... but page 2 has detailed routing of interest.

http://andesbybike.com/bolivia/routes/konani-to-la-paz/

200.105.182.172 17:07, 20 March 2012 (EDT)

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Talk:Quindío

tienen huevo con eso de lo del quinidio noooooooooooooo me jodan*

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Talk:Quintana Roo

Quickbar
Template:quickbar was created for country articles, not for state articles. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 15:09, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Quito

Never ever yell to a policeman in Southamerica! You will get in really big trouble. Try to be polite and patient.

Hotels, rooms & sleep
I cut from the understand section, but this info should be in the sleep section. I don't think it's very usefull though. -- (WT-en) Ronald 17:56, 6 March 2006 (EST)

Hotels, rooms & sleep
The Budget is not realy a problem, in Quito there are many 5 star luxury hotels like J.M Marriot, Swissotel, Hilton, Plaza, Radisson, Sheraton, Dan Carlton, Hotel Quito, Mercure, Howard Johnson etc. but there are millions of nice, clean and cheap (5-7 USD including a huge brekfast) hostels and guesthouses, there are also a lot of "Victorian style houses" built in the early 1900 wich are now small and beautiful hotels, most of them in "La Mariscal"

Headliner pic
The "Shoe Shine Boy" seems to have the boy a bit too dominant in the pic, I'd say; others agree? (WT-en) Zepppep 17:29, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

 * A very strong argument could be made that this photo should be deleted in accordance with the "people in photos" guideline, so I definitely agree. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:33, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

Needed fixes
There are red links to non-articles and external links in the deprecated footnote format, and based on the dates given for various bits of information (2009, 2012, etc.), updates are needed. Some copy editing and work on format also looks necessary. Right now, this article contains a lot of information but is not a strong Guide. If it's updated, fixed and polished, with some more photos, it could be a good DotM feature. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:22, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

 * In addition, User:Ariconte posted the following in "Get in/By plane" as a warningbox before I took it down: "This information is old and does not reflect the new airport." The fact that I don't think something other than a threat to life and limb shouldn't be posted as a warningbox does not contradict the importance of Ariconte's point. —The preceding comment was added by Ikan Kekek (talk • contribs)

Toward DotM
I'm on the lookout for candidates for the December 2017 DotM slot. I considered this article, but upon closer inspection it needs too much work to justify nominating at this time. But for anyone interested in taking on a challenge, here's what Quito needs, IMO, before it's ready for prime time:

 * The article needs a dynamic map, and all listings should have geo coordinates.
 * The "Do" section is the biggest problem. Most of what's listed there belongs in either "See" ("Explore the Old Town", the Middle of the World, the TelefériQo, Pichincha Volcano) or the as-yet-nonexistent "Learn" section (the Spanish schools). The walking tour constitutes a personal itinerary and should be deleted.
 * The "By train" subsection needs to be moved from "Get around" to "Get in".
 * The "By car" subsection of "Get around" should really contain more information than just "don't even bother trying". Realistically, some people are going to do it anyway. Some information on the layout of the city streets, parking regulations, rush hours, etc. would not only be a nice addition to the section, but emphasizing the hassle of it all while doing so might end up being a more convincing way to drive home the idea that driving in Quito is not a good idea.
 * There should also be a "By car" subsection of "Get in".
 * "Eat" and (especially) "Connect" need to be expanded.
 * "Go next" needs to be converted to one-line listings with internal links.
 * All sections with listings should be alphabetized, and in most cases split up by category.

-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:38, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Is this article ready to feature? /Yvwv (talk) 20:29, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

 * I wouldn't say so, though it's getting there. Many listings lack coordinates, some sections could use some expansion still, Eat needs price categories, a few more photos here and there wouldn't hurt, and how up to date is the article? Ypsilon (talk) 20:46, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Qumran

There was a big chunk of Wikipedia information stuck into this page; I removed it. We can't copy content from Wikipedia; it's not only against the licenses of the two sites, but encyclopedia pages generally make bad travel guides. --(WT-en) Evan 14:18, 23 February 2006 (EST)

title: Talk:Qumran