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Talk:Japan's Top 3

I had to do a little funky HTML formatting to get the images to align nicely so there's exactly one per section with no overlap, so please complain if it looks bad on your browser. (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:36, 11 Dec 2004 (EST)

Three views
Is there a way to rephrase this to make it clearer that these are scenic views? I initially assumed the 'philosophical views' interpretation, but am drawing a blank right now for a gracefull way to rephrase it. 132.174.23.47 14:20, 16 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Actually the Japanese word 景 means scenic, so how about 'Three Famous Scenic Sites'? (WT-en) WindHorse 20:26, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Wikipedia also uses the wording Three Views, and I think it's the most common form. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:27, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

National Treasures
I removed these: Shuri Castle was a national treasure in 1925, but since it was destroyed in WWII, it is no longer listed as a treasure. No sites listed Hirosaki Castle as having ever been a national treasure, and despite being a "top 3" castle, Kumamoto Castle is fake, therefore also not a national treasure.
 * Hirosaki Castle in Hirosaki, Aomori
 * Shuri Castle in Naha, Okinawa

I wonder, though, should National Treasures even be listed on this page? There are also temples, shrines, etc. that would clutter this page if they were added to related Top 3's. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 04:29, 17 May 2009 (EDT)

Top Castles
What source is our "Top Castles" list from? The most common list seems to be:
 * Nagoya Castle
 * Osaka Castle
 * Kumamoto Castle

Some replace Osaka with Himeji Castle. See Wikipedia (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 02:06, 21 January 2010 (EST)

The Wikipedia also lists 2 "Top 3 Onsen" in Oita Prefecture... (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 02:10, 21 January 2010 (EST)

 * Likewise this WP article, which does include Himeji. It gives a partial source for the variant list with Osaka -- but also claims that list is dubious.  Practically speaking, I can't imagine not listing Himeji as one of the Top 3.   - (WT-en) D. Guillaime 03:18, 21 January 2010 (EST)

 * Although I personally agree that Himeji should be there, the "top 3" I have heard, was always Osaka, Nagoya, and Kumamoto. Even with the list as Himeji, Matsumoto, and Kumamoto I personally don't like it, since I think a top 3 list should be limited to a list containing 3 of the 12 remaining original castles, but everyone will have different opinions... That's why I question our list. Although it looks more reasonable, it just doesn't seem to match the majority. Part of me wonders if the Japanese prefer the top 3 to not include Himeji in order to encourage travel to other castles. There are Japanese who agree that the list is odd without Himeji.

 * At any rate, I'm just wondering if we have chosen our list based on our own preferences, since our list is in actuality the least common...

 * Incidentally, there are two other castle lists. One is the mountain castles, the other is this one "三大平山城", which includes Himeji:

(I don't know a good way to translate this category that is not really awkward. This site calls them "Flatland Mountain Castles". Not so attractive...)
 * Tsuyama Castle
 * Himeji Castle
 * Matsuyama Castle

 * Do we want to add the other castle lists in order to get Himeji a more legitimate spot in the castle list?

(WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 01:19, 22 January 2010 (EST)

New banner
The nominees are all from the Sankei. The current banner is not, and is considered for other destinations. See Talk:Japan. /Yvwv (talk) 12:57, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

 * I prefer Bannner 2 SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:05, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * There are surprisingly few high-quality shots of Matsushima, and one of them is used for both Matsushima and Miyagi. See Talk:Miyagi for new candidates. /Yvwv (talk) 09:41, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Banner is replaced, but the competition is still open for more banners. /Yvwv (talk) 17:08, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I approve of the replacement. My ranking would be 2, 3, 0, 1. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:25, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I prefer 1 since all of Amanohashidate fits into the banner and Miyajima can be a bit overdone, not to mention it's already the lede photo. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 10:29, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Agre Tai123.123 (talk) 03:34, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

I am guessing a combination of all three locations in one banner would be out of the question? If so, my vote is for 2, followed by 1. JRHorse (talk) 12:52, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * By convention, we don't use collages for banners. /Yvwv (talk) 15:13, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying. JRHorse (talk) 04:04, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Japanese phrasebook

Formating
I think the best way to write the entries in this phrasebook is to write mixed kanji and kana (the way Japanese is normally written), then romaji, then the pronunciation according to the pseudo-phoneticization guide. For example: except that "hanase" should be written as a kanji, which I have no idea how to type. -(WT-en) phma 15:48, 8 May 2004 (EDT)
 * Do you speak English? : えいごはなせますか eigo hanasemasuka? (AY-goh hah-nah-seh-MAHSS-kah?)

 * Agreed, the phrases should use kanji, not just kana. Is it necessary to have both romaji and pseudo-phonetics though? Personally I don't like pseudo-phonetics and would prefer only romaji (given that it's the established phonetic representation), but the former is standard here, so I'd advocate dropping romaji. -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 15:38, 12 May 2004 (EDT)

 * Unfortunately even the romaji is nonstandard, it would be Hepburn but the long vowels are bizarrely written "o-o" instead of the correct "Ō".

 * Anyway, I'd go for kanji, romaji (Hepburn) plus pseudophonetics -- this way you can point to kanji for native speakers, read it right if you know Hepburn, and stab wildly in a vaguely correct direction if you read out the pseudophonetics. (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:01, 13 May 2004 (EDT)

 * Sounds good to me. -(WT-en) phma 00:45, 15 May 2004 (EDT)

Incorrect Pronuctiation
I noticed that the common ending particle "desu" is written to be prounounced as "dess". That is incorrect. While the subtle "u" is not always noticed, it is still there. While it is true people may not make the distiction and pronounce it as "desoo", both "desoo" and "dess" are incorrect. I also noticed that the longer sounds are written as just strained. In fact, you are supposed to pronounce them longer: like "Bādo" (Japanese pronuctiation for Bird) is pronounced "Baado" (not ah-ah, but a continuous aah) not "Bah-do" (with only one ah). Edit: I just re-read the article. Some of this is just wrong. "f" is "fhu" with a very light "f". Desu and masu are NOT pronounced "des" and "mas"! (WT-en) Mishy dishy 17:48, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Pseudophonetics are by definition quick and dirty, and English doesn't really do long vowels in the same way that Japanese does. です is best approximated as "dess", and バード as "bah-do" (which certainly beats "baddo". (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:27, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Stupid English-speakers. (WT-en) Mishy dishy 18:29, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Localization
The phrasebook is well on its way to be being "complete" as a translation, but still needs a fair bit of localization in actual content: you'll be asking for chopsticks and soy in a Japanese restaurant, not butter and black pepper, and you'll need to ask if rooms are tatami etc. Please add these in (and take out useless stuff) as you spot them.

 * Well, in the last two weeks hosting some European visitors, not once has anyone asked for chopsticks or soy sauce; they have asked for pepper at least twice, and forks and spoons as well.

 * Anyway, other totally useless stuff: "Can I use Canadian dollars?", "Can I get it kosher?", and the entire driving section. -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 22:32, 25 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * Plunge forward! Kosher is gone already (good luck explaining the concept to anybody in Japan...). But the driving section, while admittedly useless in Tokyo, may prove useful to someone in eg. Hokkaido. And generally it's better to add more than take away... (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:35, 25 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Hepburn only
Let's just drop the pseudo-phonetics. They're ugly and they clash with established romaji usage. Whaddya think? -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 22:35, 25 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * I'm fine with the status quo, ie. keeping them for the basics but not the rest. Hepburn is not entirely trivial to learn, but anybody staying in Japan over a few days should make the effort — the others can survive with the basics. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:35, 25 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Offensive language
Somebody just went and added an "offensive language" section. Do we want to get into this? (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:33, 4 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * ふざけるなよ. Get rid of it :) -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 04:54, 5 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * 何ゆうてんの、この野郎！ I can actually see some value in eg. baka, aho and maybe kuso, but more as an infobox kinda thing. I'd still award Paizuri no tetsujin as the most creatively offensive addition made to Wikivoyage so far though... (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:03, 5 Jan 2006 (EST)

Allergies
A concept that I had a bit of trouble getting across is the fact that I'm allergic to certain foods. Something about allergies in this phrasebook would be a good addition. Note that much of the common allergens need to also be listed if they aren't already. Currently the stuff that I'm aware of that isn't listed: shellfish, seafood (as distinct from fish and shellfish - ie: includes octopus, eel, etc.), mushrooms and fungus, milk, sesame seeds, peanuts, tree nuts and wheat. Unfortunately I don't speak Japanese, otherwise I'd start adding bits myself. (WT-en) cef 14:38, 13 Mar 2006 (AEDT)
 * Omataseshimashita. Added the allergies, not 100% sure whether I nailed the best terms for them though. Double check welcome. (WT-en) S2k 06:48, 4 March 2008 (EST)

Counters
How about making a short list of common counters used? Like one/two/more tickets/cups/copies/pieces/etc? From a recent trip to Japan I found this would have been something useful to know. Even though you can get away with holding up fingers, it helps to be able to recognise these when a Japanese speaker says these to you. (WT-en) Stephen Mok 08:32, 30 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Good idea -- I've added it. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:05, 30 July 2006 (EDT)

Deleted Pages
Hi, I use this phrasebook a lot to help me learn, however recently someone has deleted everything after "consonants", is there a backup or any way to rectify this? On the history page it lists my IP address as being the one that did it but I assure you I never intended to. please can someone help rectify mistake? Sorry again.(WT-en) Talkie_Toaster 19:30, 3 November 2006 (EST)
 * I see you figured out how to fix the problem. It is pretty easy to revert a change when we make a mistake, and we all do at time. Thank you for your contributions. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 07:05, 4 November 2006 (EST)

Extlinks
Sigh -- I hate to undo somebody's work, but Project:External links says we don't link to external guides. (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:09, 6 November 2006 (EST)

 * I didn't think it was another guide because wikivoyage doesn't support sound files anyway so it wont lose incentive of contributors. I'm new to this but read the policy and thought that sound files were within the guidelines. I don't mean to sound angry but that took me a hell of a long time. (WT-en) Talkie_Toaster 18:16, 7 November 2006 (EST)

 * This is actually one policy I don't agree with myself, and it's been discussed before: Project:Image policy. You might want to chip in there. (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:46, 7 November 2006 (EST)

 * Thanks! I'm just glad all that all the info I put there is still archived and can be put back if they decide to amend the rule. (WT-en) Talkie_Toaster 10:23, 8 November 2006 (EST)
 * Additional: I was wondering if you could possibly lend some moral support, as I have said, I'm new to this, and I would appreciate the help on the discussion concerning audio clips. (WT-en) Talkie_Toaster 19:28, 8 November 2006 (EST)

Basics
I think that the basics section is getting too long and needs breaking down into sub-headings, what do you all think? (WT-en) Talkie_Toaster 20:10, 8 November 2006 (EST)

!!!!!!!!!!
What is up with this terrible transliteration! Please use romaji for the Japanese Romanization. I will try my best to change them, but if you can help, then it would be greatful. Thank you. 74.68.36.212

Hiragana table
May I suggest using the cleaned up Hiragana table from the German Japanese phrasebook? (WT-en) Sneeka2 01:18, 14 January 2008 (EST)

Pseudophonetics?
Please don't nuke the pseudophonetics without discussion here — the current consensus was that they should stay for the first section. I've rolled back your changes (and took out your other work along with it, I'm afraid; please rescue it from the history). (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:33, 4 March 2008 (EST)

If you want people to read the pseudos even when they skip straight to the phrases, what about putting an infobox up there first thing? (WT-en) S2k 18:58, 4 March 2008 (EST)
 * That's why I put a bunch of pseudo-phonetic examples up in the prononciation section. For the sake of readability I think the phrases section should stick to one clean format. Also, it says in the prononciation section that the intonation should be kept as flat as possible, but the pseudo-phonetics seem to want to imply some sort of unnecessary word stress. So I'm not sure if they're really any better than the standard romanization.

 * I'm inclined to leave the phonetic examples as well. English speakers tend to say "kerry-OH-key" when they see romaji karaoke, "kah-RAH-dee" when they see "karate", and I think most people who haven't memorized the sounds of romaji are likely to make the same mistakes. As this guide is supposed to be of immediate use, I don't think it's fair to expect the reader to memorize the proper way to pronounce romaji and then get it right on their own the rest of the way. (WT-en) Texugo 22:16, 4 March 2008 (EST)

 * Without getting into a whole philosophical debate about blindly attempting to speak foreign languages without reading up a bit about them, can we at least agree on keeping the pseudos all lowercase, as there's no real intonation? (WT-en) S2k 23:45, 4 March 2008 (EST)

The way I see it, the first section is intended for people who are in Japan for only a few days. These people are not going to have the time to study and understand Hepburn and Japanese phonetics, so by giving them the pseudos they can at least attempt a few ohayous and arigatous.

As for the emphases, while Japanese has little stress, English as a language does, so English speakers should be directed to put the stress in the right/least harmful place. For example, I suspect most people would attempt "anata wa?" as AN-ata wa?, which sounds a lot weirder than an-ATA wa? (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:55, 8 March 2008 (EST)

 * If I may, seeing the the upper case letters in the pseudo-phonetic guides would just confuse me, since I know Japanese is an unstressed language. I think mentioning that it is unstressed—and perhaps suggesting techniques for English speakers to cope with this (e.g., speak with a weak stress on the first syllable of what you say)—is an appropriate thing to do in the initial pronunciation guide. That's how I handled the Georgian phrasebook anyway.

 * For me, a Japanese speaker of about 10 memorized phrases, seeing something like "toy-reh wah DOH-koh dess kah?" is just confusing—what's that DOH supposed to convey? Is that related to Japanese intonation, which really would be too complex for a casual travel phrasebook, or to vowel length (also too complex)? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 01:15, 8 March 2008 (EST)

How is gh supposed to be pronounced?
Referring to this example:
 * ai > igh
 * "onegai shimasu → oh-neh-gigh shee-mahss (not ouneeGAY SHYmessu)"

 * I think using (igh) is ambiguous, if it meant  /aɪ/ (aı) in IPA. Instead, it can be left as it is, or written (ay). Am I the one confused here :( ?--(WT-en) MKM 19:23, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
 * If it were written (ay) it would be even more misleading, with a lot of people assuming it rhymes with "day" rather than "high".

 * Thanks, "Texugo" for your help :) --(WT-en) MKM 04:58, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Apostrophes
The correct Hepburn for 今日は is konnichiwa, not kon'nichiwa, because konnichi can only be read こんにち. The apostrophe is only used when the syllable boundary is not clear: san'yo (さんよ) instead of sanyo (さにょ). (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:04, 8 March 2008 (EST)

 * Couldn't konnichi be read as either こっにち or こんにち by the untrained speaker? っな, っに etc are more slang than anything else in Japanese, nonetheless possible. (WT-en) S2k 04:13, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

 * っな, っに are not legal kana combinations as far as Hepburn is concerned. (WT-en) Jpatokal 14:52, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

 * True, but people shouldn't have to study Hepburn to get the pronunciation right, right? (WT-en) S2k 19:30, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

 * I passed the JLPT Level 2, but I have no idea what っな or っに would sound like if they actually existed. Never even occurred to me. I don't think a beginner is going to stumble on it in any deleterious way. 20:27, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Ten objects
In my experience to is almost never used for ten of anything -- it's always jukko. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:51, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I learnt it in my basic Japanese lessons so it might be good to know, though I didn't really hear much of it when I went to Japan.

 * Counters are a nightmare, hitotsu, futatsu, mittsu should just be used generically for pretty much everything, at least as long as you need a phrasebook to get by... --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 19:36, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Changes to "emergency" section
Hello,

While reading through one of the little side boxes and the emergency phrases section, I noticed a lot of unnatural, strange, and downright wrong translations. I fixed the ones I found and tried to make them sentences most people in Japan actually use. Just for example...

Whomever wrote the article first had

"I'm lost" = 迷子　(maigo) which actually means a lost or missing child. Thus telling a stranger 迷子です！ (maigo desu) would be letting them know that you are a lost child.

床の枚？
What does this mean? It's under "Lodging" as "bedsheets" but I've never heard the word before. I asked a Japanese native and he said (quote) "toko no mai [that's how he read the kanji]? I've never heard of such a expression. we usually call such a thing 布団カバー or ベッドシーツ or something. who the fuck says toko no mai."

This may need to be changed, but I'd like a second opinion first. (WT-en) CharonM72 23:02, 14 April 2012 (EDT)

Pronunciation guide needs some work
The most awkward portion of this is how the editor advises readers to pronounce the long vowel ei. This is not supposed to be like the ay in pay, but simply an elongated eh sound. What the editor is suggesting is a phonemic shift, where ei supposedly becomes a totally different phoneme altogether. Japanese doesn't do this, and there's definitely no such phoneme as ay anywhere in the entire language. If you think you're hearing Japanese speakers saying ay, then that's just a phonetic bias on your part.

Then there's weirdness like not properly discriminating how vowel kana stand as individual syllables, with exception to long vowels of course. oh-neh-gigh? gai is not one syllable. There are no long vowels in this word, and Japanese doesn't have diphthongs like European languages do. Where are you getting the idea that が+い is one syllabic unit?

This is to say nothing of neglecting to define the difference between syllables and morae, such as the syllabic  'n. This is a critical distinction that needs to be understood before going any further with Japanese phonology. 75.63.209.97 21:17, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

 * You're probably right, it would be nice to use a different English word than "pay" to illustrate the long E sound. However, English doesn't have an /ɛː/ in any of its words, so unless you can suggest a suitable replacement that no one else has thought of, I'm pretty sure any such word is going to be a compromise.
 * As for the other points you make, unfortunately, the traveller comes first. This is a guide to pronounce some basic Japanese phrases well enough to be understood while traveling the country, not to become an accentless fluent speaker. "Going any further with Japanese phonology" is for language classes and books, not travel guides. Note that we call this a "phrasebook", not a "language primer".
 * WV tries to serve all kinds of travellers, whether they're experts who already know a lot about the destination, or beginners who don't know a thing. Including lots of listings and descriptions makes destination articles suitable for all types of people, but for a phrasebook, making the explanation detailed and correct enough for someone who wants to eventually become an expert at the language would be detrimental to someone who just wants to learn enough to survive a business trip they were forced to go on. --Bigpeteb (talk) 21:39, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

 * I think the precise pronunciation also differs depending on which part of Japan the person is from, in the same way that someone with a New York accent pronounces certain vowels differently from someone with a general American accent. The dog2 (talk) 19:31, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Clarification
I'm confused by this:

 * 中国 Chūgoku, 中華人民共和国 Chūka jinmin Kyouwa koku : China (or, confusingly, Western Honshu)

What does the "or, confusingly, Western Honshu" mean? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:11, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

 * This is wrong. 中華人民共和国 specifically refers to the People's Republic of China. 中国 can mean "China", but there's also a region in Japan called Chugoku, and it is written and pronounced the same way. The dog2 (talk) 20:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

 * Oh, okay, makes sense. Can either you or update it? Thanks! (because me updating it will probably make it worse) . SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:05, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Last names and family names
I think it is confusing to write that the last name comes first. There is the risk that we somewhere later refer to the "last" name as the first name, or that the reader interprets a passage that way.

If the "last" names are family names, we could get rid of that confusion by just talking about family names and given names, saying the family name come first, before the given name(s). I am not changing anything myself, as I don't know how names work (are the "last" names family names or something else?).

–LPfi (talk) 10:15, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

 * How do Japanese handle the name order when communicating with Westerners? I have understood that many Chinese change the name order in that situation, and "someone known as Taro Yamada in English will have his name written as 山田太郎 (yamada tarō) in Japanese" seems to suggest this. But is it universal? For the Chinese there seems to be a lot of confusion about this, primarily depending on how much contact the person has had with the Western world. –LPfi (talk) 10:20, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Jardines del Rey

Destinations
Should Cayo Coco and Cayo Guillermo have their own pages, with the Jardines del Rey page being a general overview.

Or should this page be the main page ?

-- (WT-en) Beardo 02:40, 20 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * See Project:What is an article?. The general rule is that if you can sleep in a place (for example, if an island has a town on it) then it gets its own article.  I'm not sure where Cayo Coco or Cayo Guillermo would fall since I'm not familiar with either place.  -- (WT-en) Ryan 02:46, 20 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * Should have read the parent article more closely. If the islands only have single resorts on them then they can be included in the Jardines dey Rey article.  See the Perhentian Islands for an example of a group of islands that was created as a single article, and Galapagos Islands for an island group created using multiple articles. -- (WT-en) Ryan 02:49, 20 Feb 2006 (EST)

There's actually about a dozen hotels spread over the two islands. I suspect that visitors will look for Cayco Coco or Cayo Guillermo rather than "Jardines del Rey", but I am not sure there's enough information there for three pages ! -- (WT-en) Beardo 07:55, 20 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * Dont worry too much about the pages being short -- you'd be surprised how detailed a guide an get. If there are more than one resort on each island I'd go with splitting them up for sure. (WT-en) Majnoona 12:08, 20 Feb 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Jasper

There's a Jasper (Texas), but it's tiny... which way should we go on the disambiguation? (WT-en) Maj 12:10, 6 November 2006 (EST)

town or park listing
So how far out of town do we go and keep see, do, eat and sleep listings in this article before moving out to the Jasper National Park article? --Traveler100 (talk) 20:27, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Action?
what does this mean? "Parks Canada continues to action the Chetamon wildfire". Is that a technical term that Parks Canada uses? Can we explain in plain English what it means? Thanks. Ground Zero (talk) 01:15, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

 * I copied that from the Municipality of Jasper fire update, but I should have translated it from bureaucracy-speak to plain English. I'm guessing it means "fight the fire", etc. so I'll update it. Thanks. MuzikMachine (talk) 04:04, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Java

English sentences
The English on this page needs attention.
 * What about now? Veracious (talk) 11:09, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Regional Structure
This article badly needs one. The sub region articles are all there - East Java, Central Java, West Java and Jakarta, but not defined in the main Java article.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 02:35, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Done wth a simple East, Central and West regional structure. I know that any Indonesian is going to disagree with this and say that Jakarta is not part of West Java :). But from a logical traveller's point of view, it is.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:19, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Yeah, we've already had a few minor edit wars over this, Banten and Yogyakarta are also technically different administrative units. But I agree with your call 100%. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:43, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Yup. Inevitable. Pleased you agree though. I need a little break from the Bali project (I think about 1,200 edits in those articles now.....) so will mooch around in the Java articles and at least get them all regionally assigned and a coherent structure in place. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:56, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

 * I wonder if Sumatra island could have some simplified regional structure too, just like Java island. Veracious (talk) 07:29, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Most crowded island
Java is the world's most crowded island? Has anyone ever heard of a place called Manhattan? --66.108.210.193 17:32, 10 November 2010 (EST)

 * If I'm not missing something, the article says "the most populated island"—Manhattan's population of less than 2,000,000 is indeed very meager against Java's 136,000,000. – (WT-en) Vidimian 17:40, 10 November 2010 (EST)

 * Yes, I'm missing something. I've now adjusted it to say "... most crowded major island ...". – (WT-en) Vidimian 17:55, 10 November 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Jay (New York)

Material from: http://www.adkhistorycenter.org/esco/tow/jay.html
Restored subject to verification by Lake Placid/Essex County Visitors Bureau that material is released.

 * Was this ever verified? I'd rather prefer to avoid copypasta from sites advertising or promoting a destination in any case; surely we should either describe places in our own words or remove this? K7L (talk) 00:27, 3 November 2012 (CET)

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Talk:Jökulsárlón

Comments
Is this a lake? Lakes are not subjects of articles. See Project:What is an article? (WT-en) OldPine 15:33, 11 October 2006 (EDT)

Can You sleep There? Also; Bodies of Water?
The article seems to state you can't sleep there and a decade old comment seems to indicate this is some body of water. Does this or does this not violate policy? Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:34, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It's a pretty substantive article. If you turned it into a listing in another article, which one would that be? Höfn? Would it overload that article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:14, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * four years later...
 * Well, in that case Rome/Vatican fails that test too. Plus, many parks don't have accommodation options as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:31, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It is a big enough site with enough information to get acstandalone Park article. Mashing this information into the article for Höfn would not make things easier for readers. I think this article is permitted under What is an article?:
 * "Cases where exceptions are made include attractions, sites, or events that are... so large and complex that the information about them would overload the city article."
 * Ground Zero (talk) 11:04, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * But should it be breadcrumbed under Vatnakojull Nat Park? Jökulsárlón is part of Vatnakojull. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:21, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure. But it is probably the most visited part of the park because it is right on Route 1, so let's make sure it is linked from other articles, too. Ground Zero (talk) 11:30, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * On second thought, do we breadcrumb articles below park articles? The only one that I know of where that's done is Pulu Keeling National Park. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:38, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't see why not. Lake Louise is bc'ed under Banff National Park. Columbia Icefield is under Jasper National Park. Ground Zero (talk) 11:50, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Just checking. I've never seen that before, so wanted to double check. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:54, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Banner
mentioned in Talk:Vatnajökull National Park "I would like to see #1, as most banners for Iceland are purely natural, and we could be reminded that it is a modern country. ".

So here's the two options. If we do use banner 1, the lede needs to be changed to this image, which can easily be done. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:00, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Banner 1. The current banner is artistic, but 1 evokes what I remember of the place much better. Ground Zero (talk) 23:19, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I also support the proposal, which is essentially to swap the images in the banner and article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 14:19, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * 3:0. ✅. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 20:48, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Jönköping

Quickbar
We don't use quickbars for cities, so I'm putting this here. (WT-en) texugo 09:45, 9 September 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Jebel Toubkal

Removed from page

 * (WT-en) Tim 16:11, 31 August 2006 (EDT)

I am a guide resulting from a diploma of the Moroccan royal Federation of ski and mountain. I am of a family of mountain guides since génerations. The professionalism of the mountain dwellers and Berber hospitality one inherits it father to wire! Let you spoil and pass from the unforgettable moments while randonnant with Omar and at family ASQUARRAY, the professionels of the Mountain! www.douar-imlil.com 0021270021718

Merge
Per the template I just added, we have this article and then another one for the national park surrounding it. Given that both have little information, I think it'd make sense to merge them into just one article. Will probably plunge forward within a week or so if nobody disagrees. --ϒpsilon (talk) 20:28, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * No comments? I will merge the articles now. ϒpsilon (talk) 08:21, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Jeddah

cool place

Go to Tehlia Street

Serafi Mall, In 10 so, Sawari Landmark, Aziz Mall, Aroma Cafe, Senses, Java Lounge, WOX, TGI, Applebee's, Casper and Gambinis, Kababji, Downtown - Balad, Sea View Road, etc.

Need more info call... +966503478872

Getting Around vs Getting In
A lot of the content for Getting In was more appropriate in the Getting Around section (i.e., taxis, buses, etc.) If anyone can suggest some interesting ways to get to Jeddah aside from flying in, please add it in. Is there a train from Riyadh? Can you boat over from Africa? (WT-en) Zainiqbal 14:06, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

 * Being a overland travel geek, I know there at least used to be services from Egypt by El Salam, but their website is blank - being Egypt this of course doesn't mean anything, but we should at least try to confirm it (maybe thorn tree can help). There should also be a service to Suakin run by combined freight/passenger service by Baaboud shipping - but again, those folks from the middle east could really benefit from learning a thing or two about information services. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 14:18, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

 * No trains in Jeddah, although they're talking about building a whole bunch (north up to Medina and east to Riyadh). Ferry services to Egypt use ports further up north. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:44, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

 * Lonely planet claims both ferries to Suez, Egypt & Suakin, Sudan are still running.

 * The links they point to are all dead, and if that info comes from LP Saudi Arabia (which is out of print), it dates to circa 2001... (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:13, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

 * I've added new info based on LP which I understand is up-to-date. Also looked into a few news sources about ferrys running so it should be correct. Website of the operator is however dead. --Jonte-- (talk) 17:52, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Jefferson City

I'm going to edit the part about the Vet museum.

In the entry, it says that it is the only Vet museum in the US, but there is one in Birdsboro, PA. There are also others.

Fact Check

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Talk:Jeffrey's Bay

Name
Jeffrey's Bay should really be spelled Jeffreys Bay, without the apostrophe. If no one objects, I will change it in a couple of day's time and redirect Jeffrey's Bay to Jeffreys Bay (WT-en) NJR_ZA 06:40, 25 December 2006 (EST)
 * Okay, go for it. (WT-en) Felix

 * Done, the content has been moved to Jeffreys Bay and Jeffrey's Bay has been redirected there. I have also tracked down and changed all links to Jeffrey's Bay from other pages. (WT-en) NJR_ZA

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Talk:Jeffreys Bay

Time
This article uses the 12-hour clock (9AM, 5PM), while Talk:South Africa tells us to use the 24-hour clock (09:00-17:00). Which is more common in South Africa? Ground Zero (talk) 12:50, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Jeffreys Bay and St Francis

VFD Discussion

 * Delete. Jeffreys Bay and St Francis each have their own pages. This combined page adds nothing. --(WT-en) Bill in STL 18:18, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

Result: Redirected to Jeffreys Bay. There were a number of links to this page from talk pages, so I've redirected to avoid breaking them. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:34, 7 October 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Jeita

Archived VfD
This seems to be no real place. (WT-en) ViMy 08:27, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Seems like it is a destination. There are some grottos in Lebanon called Jeita. (WT-en) ViMy 19:12, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
 * An attraction, not an article. What is the nearest city? (WT-en) Texugo 19:46, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
 * We don't have a lot of Lebanese cities, but it's 15 kilometres outside Beirut, so I guess that can count as suburbs. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 20:07, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

 * Keep - It could be a park article, and I think that 15km makes it a sufficiently remote attraction that it warrants its own article. Otherwise a disproportionately large amount of text might be devoted to it somewhere else. Better it is contained in the current article in that case. It is not doing any harm where it is. Anyway, policy is to merge and redirect, not delete, this sort of attraction. - (WT-en) Huttite 05:10, 18 March 2009 (EDT)
 * According to WP, the entrance to this grottos is in the town of Jeita. And the grottos is a major atraction. A city article? (WT-en) ViMy 09:33, 10 May 2009 (EDT)

Jeita is very impratant for tourisim in lebanon, but the article written about it is very week, it shouldn't be deleted but rewritten. —The preceding comment was added by 77.42.189.189 (talk • contribs).

 * Yeah, Wikipedia says Jeita is a town name. The content currently here could easily be cleaned up and become an attraction listing in an article on the town.  (WT-en) LtPowers 15:56, 2 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Result: Keep as stub. (WT-en) LtPowers 21:13, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Jeju

Quality
Jeju island is a fantastic tourist destination in Korea, however the quality of this page on Wikivoyage is pretty bad. Is there anyone else following this page who can help clean it up? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 10:10, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Climate
Jejumaster has been contributing some content to the Climate section that I feel is not appropriate:

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''The annual average temperature reaches 11.7°C, with Seogwipo boasting the highest and the peak of mount Halla the lowest. The annual average Temperature of Jeju is relatively low, compared with those of other places at the same latitude of the earth. This is due to the cold winter seasons, which in influence of continental climate, and also by summer that do not become too hot due to the cool oceanic currents.The climate is milder than that of the Korean mainland owing to the surrounding warm currents, although the island experiences a good deal of wind throughout the year. The reason is that Halla Mountain, st the center of the island, serves to block the effect of air masses oh high humidity that move from the coastal areas. The amount of rainfall is the highest at the southeast areas of mount Halla. In addition, the precipitation on mild-slopes and ridges of the mountain reaches 1,780mm and 2,766mm respectively. The annual precipitation of Jeju for the last 30 years is reported to be 2,044mm for the island as a whole, and 1,560mm for the coastal areas.''

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There is a lot of information there that may be accurate from a scientific point of view (although the average temperature of 11 degrees is just false), it is of no relevance at all to the traveler. Such content should probably be better directed at Wikipedia. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 03:36, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for your interest about jeju.
 * Above all I don't understand your baseless guess.
 * Because this text is contents from the foreign webpage of Jeju Special Self-Governing Province.
 * The average temperature of 11.7 degrees is not false. I think you don't know about Jeju.
 * As you know Korean you can understand this contents : 제주특별자치도는 연평균 기온은 11.7도로 서귀포 지역이 가장높고 한라산 정상부가 가장 낮다.... 이 제주특별자치도가 대륙동안의 해양도서로서 겨울에는 대륙의 영향을 깊게 받아 저온이 되고 여름은 이와 반대로 해양의 영향을 받아 고온이 되지않기 때문이다. Jejumaster (talk) 07:00, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Hi JejuMaster. The guess is not baseless. If you had read the change comment, you would have seen it was based on Wikipedia: Jeju on Wikipedia . It depends on the area of the island, however the average annual temperature are around 16 degrees, which is significantly warmer than the 11 degrees you have suggested.
 * The source of the wikipedia article is the 'Korea Meteorological Administration', which I believe would be a trustworthy organization for climate matters on Jeju.
 * Additionally since the temperature on Jeju changes a lot through the year, stating an 'average annual temperature' isn't actually very helpful. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 07:20, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

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 * If you need to check this Information, go to this webpage 제주특별자치도 외국어 홈페이지 Jejumaster (talk) 07:27, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

 * I have checked and the information is not sourced. I have sourced my information to the South Korean government's 'Korea Meteorological Administration'. With all due respect, I believe the meteorological department of any country is the most reliable source of information. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 07:38, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

 * I'm thinking to put the following style of chart in (the values are from Shanghai, I will change)

 * Any thoughts? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 15:13, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, such a list is exactly how temperatures are presented for individual destinations, just add it. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:53, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Changed. (see revised table) Will place on main article --Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:09, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

 * On reflection, I think the decimal place looks confusing in this table. Should I round up (or round down) to the next appropriate whole centigrade? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:10, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Decimals in the range between .00 and .4999999... should be rounded down while those between .50 and .999999 should be rounded up. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:19, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Rounding implemented as per the table below.--Andrewssi2 (talk) 12:24, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Nice work. You might want to add a hyperlink to an English language source so that Jejumaster and any other readers can have a look at the detail. A link to an updating weather forecast would be useful to travellers too. --W. Franke-mailtalk 16:09, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Actually the source was the Wikipedia page on Jeju, therefore I believe that I cannot link to it? The Wikipedia's source itself is unfortunately only in Korean. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:49, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Banner
I created a new banner from the following Wikimedia image. I don't think it is the greatest image to use, however I wanted something other than the default.

Jeju island must have some great panorama pictures. Does anyone else have one? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 13:30, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Orphan sub articles
I just noticed there are three 'orphan' sub articles that were imported from WikiTravel
 * Jeju_(city)
 * Udo Island
 * Seogwipo

These pages do not seem to have been edited since the Wikitravel migration (apart from the usual bot template fixes). Is it OK to merge their content into the main Jeju article and delete? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 03:03, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

 * I'd say no, except for maybe Udo Island. The fact that an article isn't up to date isn't a reason to outright delete it. Jeju (city) and Seogwipo qualify for having their own articles. ϒpsilon (talk) 04:39, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

 * OK, for Jeju city and Seowipo I will make them listed more prominently on the main Jeju page. I'll also have a look at repeated content. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:00, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Can I ask about this again? Basically if Jeju city and Seowipo qualify for their own articles, then shouldn't Jeju island itself become a region article and all listings moved down? Andrewssi2 (talk) 02:11, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Actually, I just start a new region discussion --Andrewssi2 (talk) 03:28, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Language
Currently, the Jeju dialect is dead, so we shouldn't describe it in the present tense. It's listed at UNESCO's endangered languages as Critically endangered, so it's inaccurate to call it 'not as strong as before'. UNESCO says the speakers are "all above 70~75", so it's not 80 as I thought but it's still moribund, especially among the younger people who our tourists are going to see the most. I changed back to 'was' and other past tenses.--Seonookim (talk) 04:22, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Hi Seonookim, many thanks for bringing this up in the discussion section. My only evidence is anecdotal from having visited Jeju with other Koreans. (i.e. Restaurant staff speaking between themselves in the Jeju accent, but will speak to Korean tourists in a 'standard' accent). Of course anecdotal is not fact, therefore your opinion would be very much valued.
 * Would you agree that the Jeju dialect is an endangered language that the tourist is unlikely to encounter, however the Jeju Korean accent is still strong and can be difficult for even some mainland Koreans to understand? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 04:56, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, and the current description is good.--Seonookim (talk) 06:43, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

 * I find the description of the dialect in "Talk" and in the infobox contradictory:

 * 1) Korean is the standard language on Jeju island, spoken with a distinctive accent. The local dialect of Korean is nearly incomprehensible to Koreans from other provinces, though all locals are able to speak standard Korean as well.

 * 2) The people of Jeju island spoke a (now sadly moribund) dialect of Korean that is different in both vocabulary and accent compared to the Korean spoken on the mainland, and which was difficult for mainland Korean speakers to understand. It is uncommon to find anyone who can speak this anymore.

 * If the local dialect is truly moribund, why does it bear saying in "Talk" that it is nearly incomprehensible to other Koreans? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:33, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

 * The article does a bad job of explaining this. The distinctive Jeju Korean accent is certainly alive and well. The 'moribund dialect' referred to is actually different, representing a near separate language that was evolving. Not very different to the situation of the Okinawan_language that was evolving on those Japanese islands.
 * I would prefer to remove reference to this dialect (in the infobox) because it is indeed not useful for the traveler if practically noone speaks it. Andrewssi2 (talk) 05:55, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

 * I would approve of that. Seonookim, I see that you haven't posted since 2013, but if perchance you're reading, do you have any comment? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:58, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Regions
I believe that Jeju is too big of an area with too many listings to be one article. Additionally we already have the two cities and Udo island split off into sub articles that are replicating content.

Can I suggest turning Jeju into a region article with the following articles?

 * (Exists)
 * Seogwipo (Exists)
 * East Jeju (Does not yet exist)
 * West Jeju (Does not yet exist)
 * Hallasan national park (Does not yet exist)
 * Udo Island (Exists)

Comments? Andrewssi2 (talk) 03:37, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

 * No comments, so I will propose the following for creation in the next few days: Andrewssi2 (talk) 19:53, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Regions revisited
I was about to create the regions as above, however I am mindful of recent discussions around not creating 'artificial' regions, and frankly East and West Jeju are artificial. I am suggesting the following instead, which will absorb the existing articles for Jeju City and Seogwipo. Andrewssi2 (talk) 08:40, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Pinging User:Ypsilon for all things Korea Andrewssi2 (talk) 08:42, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Annyeong haseyo, Grüss Gott and Ni hao! You're referring to the Munich districts, I guess? Creating "artificial" regions can be useful when the official regions and districts (made up with to administer various public services that the locals use) are impractical or incompatible with the needs/interests of an average visitor.
 * But anyway let's use the official division in this case, it's on map already and Korean sights, hotels etc. include the Si in the address so anyone adding stuff here will immediately know which article to put it in.
 * Generally about Korea? Good news: I'll soon be done with the cleanup operation of South Korean articles. There are really just the cities in Gyeonggi left. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:30, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Great! BTW, I noticed that Pohang is still a complete mess and I believe you have never edited that one? Just a tip :) Andrewssi2 (talk) 07:57, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Looks like I haven't, even if it's listed in the region. Also, I noticed that Pyeongchang that you proposed for deletion isn't completely listingfied. I'll do it on the version in your userspace. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:18, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

White space in gallery
Galleries are used sparingly on this site, but one useful way to use them is to show some local foodstuffs. However, the way the gallery is currently set up is very poor, as the photos are too small and there is useless white space for about 2.5 inches on the right side. Compare the gallery in South Tyrol, which is much better. I tried copying the code from there, but since the pictures used in the gallery at Jeju are of widely different sizes, chaos would result. Is there an easy way to justify all the photos in the gallery such that they take up the entire space of the page from left to right but don't go to any second line or mess up the format of the section in any way? If you know how to do that, please do. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:13, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

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Map
Where are all the colored regions on the map? Could someone who knows how please add them? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:45, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

 * I made them invisible, as only one of them working was confusing (see the request in the Pub: Strange yellow layer?). I assume something needs to be done at OSM or Wikidata. If our regions differ from the official ones, the shapes probably need to be defined before they can be used. I don't know the magic involved, so couldn't fix it; I think coping without them is the second best. –LPfi (talk) 10:48, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

"Entertainments" section, moved from the article
First, I have no idea what this section title is intended to mean. Second, it's not clear all of these would be "Do" listings: for example, a market would be "Buy." Third, a mere list of names with no description is not very useful.

 * Udo Island.
 * Seongsan Ilchulbong Tuff Cone.
 * Hamdeok Seowobong Beach.
 * Hyeopjae Beach.
 * Hallasan National Park.
 * Dongmun Traditional Market.
 * Hallim Park.

Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:58, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

By car
I deleted this text, which didn't make sense to me:

"Jeju Island is an island that is not completely land, so it has to enter through the sea and cannot be moved by car from other countries or regions. Therefore, you can enter Jeju Island and travel by car."

Is the intended meaning of this that visitors are forbidden from bringing their own cars by ferry or other means to Jeju? Jung Subin, please share your thoughts, and thank you. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

 * It doesn't mean prohibition. Since Jeju Island is an island, the procedure for taking your own car is a little tricky. Most travelers to Jeju Island enjoy Jeju Island by using their cars through "rental" in Jeju Island, rather than taking their own cars from home.Jung Subin (talk) 05:45, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I think it would be sufficient to state that it is complicated to bring a car onto the island, so if you want to drive while there, it is much easier to rent a car on arrival. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:45, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Peer review request
This article is a subject to educational assignnment. The students working on this have asked for feedback at RfC (but not here), so I am starting a discussion here. Thank you for any feedback. Please ping the student editor (Hojong9474) who requested the feedback if you reply here. Piotrus (talk) 04:51, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

 * An obvious problem is that this is a region article, so every listing added to this article needs to be moved to the article for the relevant city or park article. In the case of restaurant, bar and hotel listings, they should simply be moved; in the cases of "See" listings, some summaries of highlights should remain. I'm pinging User:Jung Subin and User:Hojong9474 to make sure they see this, and also you, Piotrus.

 * I would suggest for all of you to look at star articles. Singapore is another island. You all should have a look at the article about it, which is a star. Notice how it has no templated listings in the "See," "Do," "Buy," "Drink" sections, lists only some local fast food chains in "Eat" (of course, keeping in mind that Singapore is a country, whereas Jeju is not, but perhaps Jeju has some of its own chains) and three major hotel chains (not individual hotels) in "Sleep." You can look through Category:Star articles to find other articles in that category. Many of them are huge cities that have an organization analogous to region articles. For example Chicago has an article for the whole city that is very sparing with templated listings, and then there are articles for various neighborhoods. I also notice the AirBNB logo on the page. I will delete that right away. We don't need to promote the organization. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:32, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Also Airbnb listings are technically rentals, and including them requires prior consensus per the listing guideline. Edit: I read your edit summary -- yes, we should have the discussion per WP:APT. Twsabin (talk) 14:39, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * That's this edit summary. Ikan Kekek (Piotrustalk) 14:47, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ikan Kekek Thank you for your comments. Listings that can be moved to an existing subpage (about a city) should go there (I think several items should be moved to Jeju City, based on the glance at the maps), but for listings located in the rural areas I don't think we have any place to relocated them? And majority of listings here are about such a locatins. Ex. Suwolbong Peak. That entry seems fine, the only problem I see is a missing wikidata connection (wikidata:Q17401350) Piotrus (talk) 04:58, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * My question on the rural areas is how far and accessible are they from the nearest place we have an article for? There are various ways to deal with listings in rural areas. One possibility is to list them in a "Nearby" subsection of the article for the nearest city; another is to create a rural area article that includes them. The third possibility is indeed to leave them in a region article, but even in that case, there should normally be no complete listings in any article for a region that is subdivided into smaller regions that have their own articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:44, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I have added a tag to remind editors to move the Eat, Drink and Sleep listings to the city articles. More information can be found at Region article template, which says;
 * "Almost always, individual listings (including detailed contact info for restaurants and hotels) do *not* belong in a region or sub-region page. The region-level description is a brief overview only.... Individual listings should be placed at the lowest available level of local page (a district of a huge city or the city page for a small town)."

Also, for See and Do listings:
 * "Also, points of interest (such as those mentioned in "See" sections) should not usually have markers in region articles but should be linked to the bottom-level article where they have full listings."

For listings in rural areas, alternatives include:
 * "creating a single local-level page for a broad, sparsely populated rural area (such as Rural Montgomery County) with multiple villages on one page,
 * "adding the listing in the appropriate main section (see/do, eat/drink, buy, sleep) in the nearest city page if the town is just a suburb of that city, or
 * "adding a section "Nearby" in an adjacent city article (before the "Go next" section). Divide this into a subsection named for each village in the surrounding area. Note that "Go next" normally lists the next destination which actually has an article in Wikivoyage."

Ground Zero (talk) 13:35, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Moving listings to city articles
we need your help. This is a region article. Wikivoyage does not include restaurants, bars, cafes and hotels in region articles. These have to be moved to the city articles. The See and Do sections should have summaries of what there is to see and do, but the detailed information (addresses, hours, prices) should be in the city articles. As you know Jeju better than other editors, and as you added many if these listings to this article, we need you to move these listings to the correct places. Thank you. Ground Zero (talk) 13:03, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

 * There is a problem with countryside and villages currently not covered in any city, park or rural area article. Should they be handled in the city articles (administratively, I got the impression that the cities and districts coincide and cover all the island or islands), or should new rural area articles be created? In the latter case, how should we divide the districts? –LPfi (talk) 13:29, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @LPfi That's one problem, another problem is that we need to merge Jeju City and Jeju-Si, which are about the same topic. And yes, as far as I understand, it's correct that "the cities and districts coincide and cover all the island". Jeju can be divided into the Jeju City area in the north and Seogwipo in the south, and we can keep separate article on the Hallasan National Park and the three tiny islands (Marado Island, Udo Island and Chujado Island). So I think we need to 1) move listings to the subarticles mentioned here and 2) merge the two Jeju City/Si articles. Piotrus (talk) 14:25, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

 * In that case, Wikivoyage's coverage of Jeju should probably be reorganized, with the island divided into two cities. However, the next question would be how many listings will be in each city article? If there would be a lot of listings, should one or both of the cities be districted (divided into different articles for different areas)? Then, again, if so, how many districts, with what boundaries and about how many listings per district? Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:10, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

thank you! Ground Zero (talk) 13:46, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Strange yellow layer?
The dynamic map at Jeju has a strange blue layer. Why and how to remove it? Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 07:09, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The "strange" yellow layer you're referring to is the mapshape, which is used in many non-bottom-level region articles. Please don't remove the mapshape, though. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 07:46, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @SHB2000 Ok, but what is its purpose? It looks strange and when students asked me about it, I could only tell them I'll get back to them later :) For the article cited, it doesn't seem to be helpful. Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 06:21, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It's to highlight the regions. I realise that the mapshape on Jeju is somewhat incomplete, but New South Wales should give you an idea of what a complete mapshape should look like. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 06:47, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that it looks strange, and I'd say that one shouldn't add any mapshapes before they all exist. If one is gone because of a glitch in the servers, so that it can be expected to reappear soon, then OK, but if it isn't defined yet, or some statements are missing at Wikidata or OSM, then the mapshapes shouldn't be added until that is fixed. I now made them transparent for the time being. –LPfi (talk) 13:03, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @LPfi Thank you. Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 06:25, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Jeju City

See comment on Jeju's discussion page about migrating inner-city entries to here.

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Talk:Jenison

Merger
This is a bedroom community of 16,000 with a few local parks and not much else. Let's merge this into Wyoming (Michigan). Ground Zero (talk) 12:25, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Strongly Support --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:31, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Jeonju

Need more information
Two restaurants, Seong Mi Dang and Go Gung, have no information except a romanized name. This is entirely useless. If you can improve on them, please do. If not, let's remove them in the relatively near future. --Orcrist (talk) 14:19, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Update: removed the two. If you have any more information than just the western name, by all means add them back, along with said information. --Orcrist (talk) 14:24, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

 * If a name is obviously Korean then we can derive the Hangul very easily (For example, Go-Gung is '고궁'). I'm not saying you were wrong to remove if there was no other information (it is a generic name meaning 'Imperial Palace') however I'd like to be clear that a romanized name can still be used in certain circumstances. Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:16, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

 * Another update: removed sleeping option Yang Sa Jae. The website link was dead, and with only the romanized name remaining, it's useless to a traveler.  If you have more information, you could add it back again, though. --Orcrist (talk) 14:34, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

 * The South Korean articles seem to be full of establishments with just the romanized name and not even a street address. They've probably been added years ago. It would be great to have some local to sort them out. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:43, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Korean addresses are problematic. There is a Wikipedia article giving a full description of this. When I am in South Korea I often have no idea which street I am on because the information is not really of much use. Taxi drivers often want to know the area you are going to along with a building name. This is different to (for example) China where knowing the street name is important.

 * In terms of the name, many restaurants, bars and hostels actually have a romanized name first and foremost, with sometimes a small and direct transliteration into Hangul next to it. I guess many contributors find this easier to add without bothering with the Hangul. Transliteration from an English name to Korean script can vary, so we would need to check each business in person.

 * In summary, quality is always going to be an issue. Like Orcrist I do remove listings where there is no information as to where it is. Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:03, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

 * Yes, I know the issue with Korean street addresses. I meant to write "information the traveler needs to find the establishment". It would be best to have both the Korean and romanized name of the establishment, the former to visually identify the restaurant/hotel etc. on the street (my memory and some pictures tell me that even the signs of McDonalds are written in Hangul only) and the latter to pronounce it. When I find a listing with just a name I try googling it in order to expand and save it. In many cases I don't find anything useful - I suspect many smaller establishments do not have a web page at all. It's sad when (almost) everything in an article consists of just names and after the cleanup the article looks like a stub, and that's why it would be fantastic if some motivated person fluent in Korean could harvest contact information from somewhere (even from the yellow pages) and preferably also share some of their personal experiences of the establishments themselves. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:47, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

 * That would be ideal. I believe that a comprehensive yellow paging of the establishments would be very useful exercise, although we don't seem to have anyy persistently active Korean editors who would do this. Andrewssi2 (talk) 15:50, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Jeri

Jeri is just a nickname of Jericoacoara. I am copying the little content of this article into the main Jericoacoara article and turning this into a redirect. (WT-en) Rmx 12:33, 19 Dec 2005 (EST)

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Talk:Jijoca de Jericoacoara

You only put cheap places in this site,please we have good places like ,

www.pousadaventoleste.tur.br(the place)

Tour agency listings and touting
I just reverted an edit. I'm not sure I was right to revert all of it. Information that helps travelers is desirable, except that I'm troubled by how much tour agencies are being promoted in this article, with or without the edits I reverted. Do you all have any suggestions on how to help travelers by presenting the largest quantity of useful information without promoting tour agencies unnecessarily? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:23, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Move ?
To Jijoca de Jericoacoara

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Talk:Jersey

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Jersey/CIA World Factbook 2002 import. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:48, 29 Mar 2005 (EST)

Jersey
Hello! You have just undone a change which I have made to Jersey. I can assure you there are no cities on the island of Jersey. Danrok (talk) 18:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe, but I guess we're using "City" instead of "Parish" here on WV. --Saqib (talk) 18:17, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

 * The two words are not interchangeable, and have an entirely different meaning. To describe a parish as a city is nonsensical.  Can you provide a link to the relevant policy here? Danrok (talk) 18:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Isn't parish is a church territorial unit and it has nothing to do with civilian administration. --Saqib (talk) 18:48, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Depends on where you are; Louisiana has parishes instead of counties, for instance. LtPowers (talk) 19:47, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * In Jersey, parishes are administrative sub-divisions, each with it's own elected officials. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parishes_of_Jersey Danrok (talk) 12:05, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Geographical hierarchy — in a nutshell, we don't see the need to fuss too much about the wording, but do have a need for consistent templates for the destination guides. I gather that Parishes are the administrative divisions of Jersey, not municipalities? If so, I would recommend handling this similar to how we divided up content on Barbados, i.e., only use a "regions" header, explain that the following divisions are known as "parishes," and try to keep the division simple, flat, and neat. Does that make sense?
 * No, referring to a village as a city does not make any sense. Apples are apples, not oranges. Danrok (talk) 12:09, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Also, please move this discussion to Talk:Jersey. --Peter Talk 18:51, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Alternatively, we could simplify the subdivisions drastically, since there are only 100,000 people living on the island, and try to limit the number of sub-destination guides to 3-4? --Peter Talk 18:54, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

From the traveller's perspective there is no need to have an arbitrary or artificial number "of sub-destination guides" at all. Either have the natural number or none at all.

My own view, as an outsider thousands of kilometres away and looking at the paucity of information on the "sub-articles" of Jersey, is to blend that sparse information into one seamless Jersey article and then change the existing handful of Jersey articles to re-directs to the main, single, Jersey article.

Our UK article treats the Channel Islands as "Regions" and the Cities section of the Region template says that if there are no cities then it's OK to call the section Towns, Villages or whatever is appropriate and it seems like a good solution in conformance with our existing policies to call them exactly what they are - Parishes. Surprisingly, it's only the second time I've read Region and the current relevant policy (in case this crops up again) is:
 * Per One-liner listings, cities and towns should be listed in alphabetical order. If the region corresponds to a political entity (such as a state or a province), always list its capital city first.
 * Lastly, if calling the settlements in this region "cities" is a real stretch -- say, for remote or rural areas with only towns and/or villages -- it's OK to rename this section 'Towns' or 'Villages' or 'Settlements' or whatever. But if there are lots of different kinds and sizes of settlements, just leave it as "Cities".

-- A l i c e ✉ 07:23, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Six years later: Not much seems to have happened out of this 2013 debate. Jersey is about five miles long by nine miles wide, so I suggest that the natural and default position is to describe it on a single page. It's well developed for visitors, but not so heavily that a single page would be unwieldy. Any counter-argument? Otherwise I'll make a start on, let's see, Fri 6 Sept. I'm making a similar argument for Guernsey. Grahamsands (talk) 13:13, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hm. I'm generally in favour of consolidating small articles into a larger, more useful one, but in this case, several of the articles have rather a lot of listings. I think that consolidating would lead to an unwieldy article that would be difficult to navigate. Ground Zero (talk) 13:42, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I did some work on this region in 2016/2107 and came to the conclusion making each parish a city article was the best solution. --Traveler100 (talk) 13:49, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * By my count the entire island totals 19 See, 8 Do, 18 Eat, 6 Drink and 15 Sleep, which feels eminently wieldy IMO. Lots of cities have far more; nothing that can't be overcome by a few subtitles and clustering of entries geographically. Perhaps there are more that deserve adding but that's true most places. Status quo doesn't look healthy, with a wash of red ink and places like St Saviour and St Martin with barely a handful of entries. Any attempt to cluster parishes would run up against the problem that the bulk of facilities are in St Helier and in St Brelade / St Aubin just 2-3 miles apart; so "balance" would end up as an east-west division of Jersey that makes no sense from a traveller perspective. So a single page looks like the least-bad option - could you stomach that given the numbers cited? Grahamsands (talk) 20:08, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced, but if you're willing to put the work into improving our Jersey coverage, I won't object to your plan. Ground Zero (talk) 14:23, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Traveler100, would you be okay with that? It doesn't diss the approach you took in 2016 / 17: making editorial decisions is what we're here to do, only things sometimes look different a few years down the line. Grahamsands (talk)
 * Support. If there are too many listings, we can always trim the entries by removing those poorly described. Looking at the map of Jersey, it's small and multiple articles for small places is going to be difficult. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 22:21, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I am fine with merging and seeing how the article looks. As long as the existing pages are made redirects and not deleted we can always change at a later date. --Traveler100 (talk) 06:31, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Done as proposed, everything was redirected into a single page for Jersey, and generally updated. The Channel Islands page now needs a spruce but nothing major. But the big unknown is how entry, work and residence rules might change with the ongoing debacle of Brexit (ditto on Guernsey). Unwise to guess so I've not touched those. Grahamsands (talk) 19:41, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, please look at the fix in the item below. Perhaps I will help with the "spruce" effort here, but look at what Ground Zero just did on Jersey.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 22:04, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Granville is in Normandy
"Manche Iles sail to Jersey from Granville" in the "By Boat" needs fixing, so Granville links to Granville (Normandy) and not to a Disambiguation page, but I don't know how to achieve that in WikiVoyage editing. WikiVoyage is like Wikipedia, but not easy for even a very experienced Wikipedia editor. Would some WV editor pleas fix it? --Dthomsen8 (talk) 03:11, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I have made the edit. You can check the edit history here to see how it's done. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 04:04, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * @Ground Zero, You sure found many more corrections in the Jersey. The Granville fix you did was the same as what I would do in Wikipedia, but I did not know how to do the editing for that fix. Incidentally, I was in Jersey for three days in June 2018, and I want to go back. I have fifteen books on Jersey and the other islands, and I have done quite a bit of work on articles.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 21:52, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Type of article
Would this not in fact be a country article? Jersey (and Guernsey) are pretty much autonomous entities, with the UK only responsible for citizenship and some of its foreign relations.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:42, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

 * I don't have enough of a sense of what the islands are like from a traveller's perspective to be able to say. If we made this a country article, what would that mean for the Channel Islands article? —Granger (talk · contribs) 09:21, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Some amount of rethinking is needed regardless. The Guernsey article seems to have subarticles for Alderney, Sark, and Herm, but not for the main island of Guernsey itself, so it's sort of a cross between a region article and rural area article. —Granger (talk · contribs) 09:32, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

 * I haven't visited the Channel Islands either (apart from docking in St Helier at midnight on board the slowest ferry in the world), so don't necessarily know any better than you. That said, I don't think there's a problem with the Channel Islands article remaining a region article, as there are plenty of examples of countries breadcrumbing under regions.
 * Probably a good idea to ping User:Grahamsands and User:Jèrriais janne at the very least, to see what they think should happen.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:35, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

 * This is probably bigger than Nauru, and we treat it like a country and not an Australian territory. And I think this should also be treated like a country. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:39, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Nauru is de jure independent, is it not? Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:11, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

 * It's been independent in 1968 but most of its activities heavily relies on Australia. Especially the detention centre SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:46, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Nonetheless, it's a rather different situation to that of the Channel Islands.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:59, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

 * I notice that the Isle of Man is labeled as a region article. How similar is its situation to the Channel Islands? —Granger (talk · contribs) 15:39, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Similar, if not identical. All three are British Crown dependencies, with their own government, laws, tax status, and immigration rules. Their head of state is the Queen (as Duke Normandy / Lord of Mann), and they depend on the UK for defence and some foreign relations.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:46, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Or, looking at it another way, while they're not sovereign states, they have just as much right (if not greater right) to call themselves countries as British Overseas Territories (speaking of which, I note that some of those have country status, others city or rural area - a bit of a tangled mess!) --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:08, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Jersey, Guernsey and Isle of Man are effectively small countries or microstates, with a lot of autonomy but not independent, so they're as much nations as (say) San Marino. Guernsey has the further oddity that it has constituent inhabited islands with considerable autonomy. Re-badge the pages if you will but it shouldn't affect content or layout should it? There is no jurisdiction called "The Channel Islands" but there are some helpful collective statements that could be made, if only we knew what those were. Their relationship with the EU is in flux as last week's fracas showed, they may need to re-think their labour and residential laws, and I deferred working on that page until there was a bit of stability. Grahamsands (talk) 18:16, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Constitutionally, you may be correct. What about from the traveller's perspective? How many readers would think of them as being associated with the UK, and how many would expect to see them as countries? We categorise Wales and Scotland as regions, even though they are commonly called countries. I don't think that the constitutional status should be the deciding factor here. Maybe in Wikipedia, but not in a travel guide. Ground Zero (talk) 19:54, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't really follow your argument, mate. Wales and Scotland are breadcrumbed under the country article United Kingdom; the Crown Dependencies are breadcrumbed directly under the continental region Britain and Ireland. We're already not doing what you imagine people would "expect" (and isn't one of the points of travel to overcome false expectations about foreign countries?)
 * Granger made a good point with his original edit; Jersey isn't much of a region with zero subdivisions (are there other examples of such?), but equally I don't think rural area really cuts the mustard either.
 * From the traveller's perspective, even though they broadly follow UK law and are part of the CTA, the Crown Dependencies do issue their own visas (albeit through British embassies and consulates) and don't necessarily have the exact same requirements for entry as the UK. And of course you can travel to the islands, e.g. from France or Ireland, without setting foot in the UK.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:14, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Jersey City

Hey Justi -- nothing major... just ran the whole shebang thru spell check... - M

Regarding the next edits by user 141.153.149.58, I dunno, I think these look pretty tasty and are a nice re-arrangement/re-statement of the "Understand" section. Comments? - M

Another restaurant listing
I'm surprised I never added Just Beclaws after my girlfriend and I had a delicious, inexpensive dinner there a couple of summers ago. The thing is, from my perspective as a Manhattanite, it was cheap, but for Jersey City, should I put the listing in "Budget" or "Mid-range"? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:23, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

 * I'll ping User:71.172.67.234, who's added some valuable content and seems to know the area, in case that editor returns. ARR8 (talk) 05:42, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

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Article name
Shouldn't this be moved to Jersey Shore, which is the more common name? -- (WT-en) Ryan 20:11, 9 September 2006 (EDT)
 * This naming was decided by an ignorant visitor (me) based on the official tourism site . If the common name is Jersey Shore, I guess it makes sense to move it there. —(WT-en) Ravikiran 14:22, 10 September 2006 (EDT)
 * I just changed it back to Jersey Shore almost two years after whatever happened with this discussion (WT-en) Jargas 03:44, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

Wow. Somebody in India is editing the article on the Jersey Shore? --(WT-en) Beenthere 17:44, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

 * Yep! He's one of our best contributors! (Well, was, until he got busy with work) – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 21:44, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

The city of Cape May and some of it's destinations are listed on this page, but the county of Cape May is listed in the Southern Shore region, which needs a whole lot of work. what's up with that? (WT-en) Jargas 03:44, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

Fair Haven
Now when you search on Fair Haven it brings you to the Finger Lakes region in New York. However the town I have in mind is near the Jersey Shore, not far from Red Bank. I'll have to look into this and begin an entry for Fair Haven NJ, unless you do it first! See: Fair Haven New Jersey for the town I have in mind --Lbeaumont (talk) 21:56, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I created an entry for Fair Haven. --Lbeaumont (talk) 01:36, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Coastal bias
This article focuses too much on the beaches and not enough about the rest of the counties it's supposed to describe. Should the status be downgraded to outline until more info about the inland regions is added to the article? JsfasdF252 (talk) 02:24, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

 * Look at Region article status. But the main point is, if inland regions aren't covered enough, please plunge forward and add content, with the caveat that specific listings should be in bottom-level articles (such as those for cities and parks), not here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you have any idea of which 2 places to add to the Cities list? JsfasdF252 (talk) 04:21, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Toms River? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:41, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

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