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User talk:Wrh2/Archive 2010

External Link Policy - Blue Mountains link deleted
I'm new to editing pages here so apologies up front for any mistakes! I've used wikivoyage for a while and it has been a great resource for my travels so I decided to contribute about my local area (Blue Mountains Australia). I put in a link to a great website that I've been showing friends which has aerial video of the mountains and I used it to track down some great places to see views that as a local I didn't even know about. Within minutes my link was deleted. I don't quite understand. the link has has no ads or anything commercial and seeing the Mountains from the air is great! What goes here? Why are you deleting such a good resource? I don't really feel much like contributing anymore but it has been so good so far I just want to find out what I have done wrong. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 112.141.137.70 (talk • contribs)

 * If you look at the edit comment I left when the link was removed, there is a pointer to our external links policy which explains when and where it is appropriate to add links to articles. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:42, 5 March 2010 (EST)

External Link Policy - Oahu page
Yes I can see the need to keep spam links out. But removing a single link on a page that contains dozens of external links seems silly. Why not remove them all while you're at it? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Mrs esterhauzen (talk • contribs)

Also - Here's another problem. People lift information from other travel web sites, and then summarize that data into Wikipedia. For example - the external link you removed on the Oahu page was the source of information for the sentence explaining how many tourist beaches Oahu has. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Mrs esterhauzen (talk • contribs)

Persistent touts
Yup, I realise all that. I do prefer to follow the policy and leave a meessage first though, even to an anonymous IP. If there is another infringement after the message has been left, then to the blacklist it goes (at least, that is my interpretation?). On rollback, I am not sure I fully understand the benefits of the feature but did use it once to remove all contributions from an anonmyous IP. Cheers, and please do not hesitate to continue educating me.... it is certainly helpful :). --(WT-en) Burmesedays 21:47, 4 January 2010 (EST)

IB
Are we are in live mode :), ..... I have been giving a fair bit of thought to the issue of (non) communication between IB and the WT community. Aside from the open tech requests article at shared, is there a page you know of (preferably in the en namespace as shared is a dark mystery to the vast majoriy of users) designed for questions to and discussion with IB? I know that the history has been extremely unsatisfactory in this respect, going right back to those tortured discussions over the awful mis-handling when Evan and Maj sold the site to IB. Perhaps naively, I find it hard to believe that IB are completely anti talking to us about relatively simple improvements that could be made to Wikivoyage. Hence my question about whether there is an existing place for this. I noticed that you were active in the 2006 discussions an wondered if you had any insights or pointers? --(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:09, 4 January 2010 (EST)

 * The IB history is somewhat sordid, and while they could do a few very, very simple things that would vastly improve their relationship with the community they have (in their defense) done a good job of keeping the site running smoothly. In terms of communication, my experience is that IB tends to appear and disappear in spurts, and whether they show up in the Pub, on shared:, or wherever is unpredictable.  The pages on shared are the best place to communicate - prior to creating shared we had vast problems coordinating between language versions, so any attempts to create an en: page that would be of interest to other language versions is generally strongly opposed.  That said, I don't think anyone has had much luck using Wikivoyage to communicate with IB, and instead I've used email during the 2-3 times where I felt it was important to talk to them and gotten a generally quick response.  wts:User:(WT-shared) KevinSours and some of the other IB folks have active "email" links on their user pages, and email addresses can also be found in some of the archives. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:16, 4 January 2010 (EST)

License upgrade
Regarding your query on my talk page on December 2nd (sorry, hadn't been logged onto the wiki since then), I make decisions of what to contribute and what not to contribute based in part on the license. For example, if a project were to use the GFDL for all contributions, I might contribute certain images with the knowledge that (because of the license) they cannot be reproduced in print unless the GFDL is reproduced as well. So, if that project's license were to change to CC-BY-SA 3.0, that would no longer be the case and images that I contributed could now be used in ways I didn't intend. Obviously the difference between CC-BY-SA 1.0 and CC-BY-SA 3.0 isn't anywhere near as great, but it's the principle of the whole thing. Cheers, (WT-en) JYolkowski 19:08, 13 January 2010 (EST)

CC-by-SA 3 notices
Hi Ryan, The notice is in the template. I will remove it and all the notices in the articles as I get round to them. Feel free to remove them yourself if you feel the urge, but if not I will get rid of them in time. Cheers, (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk

 * Thanks! I saw that and just sort of wondered if you still had concerns, so it's good to know it's just a template issue.  Great work on the dive articles, by the way. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:54, 30 January 2010 (EST)

Natural Bridges
Thanks for your kind note and your edits. I'll adjust as I continue with this article. (WT-en) Ezratrumpet 14:14, 15 February 2010 (EST)

See and do in combimation
Hi Ryan. I am asking you this question as you seem to have a amazing memory for where things are hidden in the arcane maze that is the Wikivoyage file structure :). When See and Do sections are combined, how should the header be written? See and Do or See and do? Even perhaps See & Do or See & do? Instinctively, I feel See and do is correct. I know I have seen a discussion about this, but I can't re-find it! Cheers, --(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:36, 26 February 2010 (EST)

 * Looking at Google search results (here and here), it looks like we have both "See & Do" and "See and Do", but the former is much more common. I honestly can't remember ever seeing a discussion about this specific issue, but given how many times I've bashed my head over the years you should take that with a grain of salt :) -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 09:56, 26 February 2010 (EST)

 * It's "See and Do" per Project:Star nominations, where we judiciously settled this question with a game of rock, paper, scissors. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:57, 26 February 2010 (EST)

 * Thanks Peter. That's clearly where I read it. :) --(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:00, 27 February 2010 (EST)

 * I don't follow the star nominations as closely as I probably should, so for once I can't blame head trauma for the lack of knowledge. Per Google we currently have more of the "See & Do", so if anyone cares much about this then it's worth a cleanup, although I suspect time might be better spent on bigger issues.  As an aside, the use of rock, paper, scissors is a first in Wikivoyage history, but would make a lot of other discussions SO much easier to resolve :) -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:04, 27 February 2010 (EST)

WikiProject reverts
Are we having a move war? ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:40, 27 March 2010 (EDT)

 * Ha! I didn't realize that from the move log, the destination link from the move isn't marked &redirect=no. That made things even more confusing. Fixed now, though. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:55, 27 March 2010 (EDT)

Wikivoyage_talk:Don%27t_tout
Shall we start a bigger WT wide list? (WT-en) jan 11:09, 14 April 2010 (EDT)

Blocking policy
Ryan, I noticed that you tend to block an article like Paris instead the offending IP 88.174.107.139. May I ask why? I think it is unfair for other users that they can't work/edit an article because someone is non-compliant. I usually prefer to block the IP as this offers others the opportunity to still work and only punish the offender. (WT-en) jan 12:10, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

 * The Project:Edit war policy is about the only guideline we have on this matter, and it suggests protecting an article briefly in cases of edit wars. If a hotel tout is editing multiple articles I'll generally block them as an attention-getting matter since there isn't a single article to block, but when a user is re-adding info to the same article then I think the edit war guidelines apply. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:18, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

Iceland
Hi Ryan. I will soon be starting on a Wikivoyage map for Iceland. I thought you might be able to help with this request. Cheers. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 13:02, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

 * I have uploaded the regions map. Please see my comment at Talk:Iceland. I may well be wrong on some of the region boundaries. Easy to change, so please do comment if anything looks wrong.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 13:17, 16 April 2010 (EDT)

Bureaucrat?
We appear to need another bureaucrat on :en, and I've nominated you for the position. Here's to hoping you will be willing to accept the weighty responsibilities of being reachable for bit flipping ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:11, 19 April 2010 (EDT)

 * SIR -- with regard to your application to become a Bureaucrat, pursuivant to the Bureaucracy Enablement Act of 2003 (Subclause D), the Assistant Vice Undersecretary of Switch-Toggling at the Department of Redundancy Department is pleased to inform you that filing of the prerequisite forms in triplicate and notifying relevant authorities has been completed. Enjoy your shiny new red rubber stamp! (WT-en) Jpatokal 19:02, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

 * When I was very small and less toilet-trained my mom told me that someday I would do great things. Clearly she was wrong, but the red rubber stamp is much appreciated. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:16, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

GALAPAGOS
Being that I not only live in the Galapagos Islands but have written the majority of Wikipedia's Galapagos section. I am aware of the operators in Galapagos. You keep removing Galapagos Online who has originated a number of tours and operate their own tours in the Galapagos while you have left over 1/2 of the operators that do not do any of their own operations but rather only are resellers. As well as a company that is illegally operating. I have followed the guideline while your edits do not. MOVERA

 * I'm a bit tired of the edit warring and at this point I'm more focused on your poor on-wiki behavior than on the merits of the particular company, so I suggest getting someone else involved. Based solely on the fact that you have re-added the listing without discussion seven times now, despite legitimate concerns about the Tour policy, I'm less willing than I should be to try to see your side of this argument. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:01, 28 April 2010 (EDT)

The only issue is that you are not following the policy you are quoting. You have numerous "travel agencies" listed that have no operation in Galapagos and are deleting agencies that do. I don't understand deleting Galapagos Explorer and leaving Galapagos Legend. The site linked on the legend is a 3rd party that has absolutely no operations in Galapagos while the listing for the Explorer was the boat itself. Both boats are exactly the same size 100 passengers. You said you deleted the explorer due to its size no one would charter it. Then you should delete the legend for the same reason. However since the owners of the legend are Klein Tours then the link to that boat should be to the owners rather than a travel agency. MOVERA

Beijing
Hi Ryan! A pretty agressive business owner tried to place their business today in Beijing and ignored all warnings and tried to trick around. I blacklisted Zanys business but he keeps entering it without the link. Is there a ways to block the entry of his name? He is using multiple ip's to avoid short term blocks that i made to get his attention. Looks like a pretty knowledgable marketer. (WT-en) jan 10:41, 29 April 2010 (EDT)

 * You can try something like "[Zz]anys[ ]+[Cc]ar[ ]+[Rr]ental", although before doing so make sure that any articles containing "Zanys Car Rental" are updated - Driving in China and probably a few others contain that term. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:06, 29 April 2010 (EDT)
 * Ryan, thank you for the fast response because the block is ending soon. I searched for Zanys and beside my warnings you found the last article i missed.(WT-en) jan 11:17, 29 April 2010 (EDT)

Tedious tasks
Nice work deleting those ~150 factbook pages! While it's refreshing sometimes to get some use out of the buttons, that was not a task I envied ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:18, 12 May 2010 (EDT)

 * Thanks :) I was partially inspired by your Travelers' Pub-ectomy of a few days ago. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:27, 12 May 2010 (EDT)

Rents in Kiev
Ryan: Why did you remove section regarding www.roomme.net. This web site lists apartments for short term rental in Kiev and other ukrainian cities. It could be helpful for travelers to find apartments descriptions and phone numbers of its owners in one place.

Partial protection of Hong Kong
Ryan, I think Hong Kong is a candidate for partial protection. Some of the recent edit warring has been destructive and most of it initiated by anons. This is an important and largely well written article. I am not really sure whether this should be discussed first, so I have put a note at Talk:Hong Kong. Errr..... I am also fairly sure that I will mess it up if I do it myself :). --(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:46, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

 * I'll add my support to the Talk:Hong Kong discussion, but as an admin you can always protect an article for up to one day at your discretion; anything longer requires a notice at Project:Protected pages. As to "messing it up", I think we all messed up the first time we did most things around here - anything can be undone, so I'd say just give it a shot.  The "expires" field parses human-readable text, so "1 day", "24 hours", etc should all be valid expiration dates. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:54, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

Me Vandal i hardly think so...
Wrh2 i read up of a little of the page creation vandal and thats just wrong i don't agree with system. Oh and look at my contribs and tell me why Odenton failed. --(WT-en) 3beetfarm 15:23, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

Edits
ya burn my edits any i have as breadcrumbs come on just trying to get some places going on here ur shooting me down. --(WT-en) 3beetfarm 17:02, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

User IP's
Hi Ryan, hope you have a joyful weekend. I just started to wonder if there is an easy trick to see the IP of logged in users? I lately became suspicious that some guys have multiple logins and would like to confirm that. This would be especially helpful if some anon IP is blocked and via another IP they create an login. Thank you very much in advance and best regards from sunny Zurich, (WT-en) jan 12:15, 5 June 2010 (EDT)

 * I don't know of anything, although that doesn't mean that a tool doesn't exist. In the past I think we've always had to watch various users and try to identify patterns in order to make best guesses about what accounts were sock puppets.  You might want to raise this issue in the Pub to see if anyone more familiar with Mediawiki knows of any available tools. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:21, 5 June 2010 (EDT)

London Hotels
Moved to Talk:London.

redacted -> Faust
Hello Ryan, would you please change my username redacted to Faust? Thanks in advance! --redacted 05:38, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

 * Sorry, that name has already been taken (see Special:Contributions/(WT-en) Faust). Is there another name that you would prefer?  Also, note that you can check to see if a name is already in use on the Special:Listusers page. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:36, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

 * Too bad, I hadn't seen it when I checked. Mu in my eyes I guess. How about Faust 1976? Check the reults of my check here: http://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Faust1976&namespace=&year=&month=-1
 * Thanks in advance!
 * --redacted 03:20, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

 * Done. Your past contributions now show up under Special:Contributions/(WT-en) Faust 1976. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:07, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

 * Thank you Wrh2!
 * --(WT-en) Faust 1976 17:56, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

Internal error
Hi Ryan, currently there is a spam attack ongoing. I can delete the usertalk pages but not the user page. I always get a message that says Internal error maybe somebody else already deleted that page. What shall i do? I also enhance the blacklist but the spambot changes always a bit in the url. (WT-en) jan 15:47, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

 * I don't see any user pages that need to be deleted - is there a specific example you can point out? -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:57, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
 * The spambot that creates new accounts and fills them with spam is back. He always links to pages connect dot cityname dot. Is there a way to blacklist this pattern. Also the newly created user accounts should be deleted because otherwise after thirty days they will not stay a unpatrolled. (WT-en) jan 06:34, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

 * I don't think there is any way to delete user accounts using the tools provided to admins. As to coming up with a pattern to block the URLs being used by this bot, I'll update the ones you've created thus far, and we can generalize it further if this continues to be a problem. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:24, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

DAN links on Scuba Diving
Hi Ryan, What is your reason for deleting the external links to Diver Alert Network (DAN) on the Scuba Diving article? I think they are useful information for any scuba diving traveller, as DAN is an extremely valuable resource/service to the travelling diver. If you have a diving accident in an out of the way part of the world, DAN is by far the most comprhensive resource for sorting it out. No diver should remain unaware of the options. I have no connection with them except my policy. Cheers, (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 07:49, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

 * If there should be a link to them then by all means add it - I was doing a quick pass through the article since there seemed to be a number of questionable external links, and removed the DAN links mostly because there were four of them including one for travel insurance, which seemed highly suspect. A single link is probably fine if it's a worthwhile resource. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:55, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

 * I think it is a good resource as I use them myself, I admit to bias, but they are really a valuable resource for medical and equipment insurance for scuba travellers, who often have or at oleast in the past had. difficulty getting cover at reasonable premiums. DAN was set up by divers to do what the other insurers were not willing to do at the time. I will go back and look at what seems reasonable for the article.  (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 12:31, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

Chiba
Please stop edit spamming. Read the rules carefully. And read the page. Also, use your regular account to make changes to other people's work. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Box582 (talk • contribs)

 * I've already responded to this issue at User talk:(WT-en) Booksmart2. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:47, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

Best Western Contacts
Hi Ryan, please see my comments about Best Western at. If you need a corporate marketing contact, I will provide it for you. Cheers, (WT-en) WineCountryInn 15:13, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

 * Thanks! The hotel chain blacklisting doesn't look like something that would ever pass muster here, although many of the marketers are HUGELY annoying and actually do a fair amount of damage to some guides.  I haven't personally noticed a problem with the Best Western chain, but if it becomes an issue then I (or someone else) will definitely get in touch. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:48, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
 * I just want to make sure that it does not get to the level of blacklisting an entire cooperative of small business owners, as this would be a highly unfair broad brushing of individual businesses. My email is [mailto:press@coloradowinecountryinn.com], if you need contacts or an intermediary to intercede on behalf of BW owners to help develop a coherent internal BW policy regarding Wikivoyage. After all, I do have a foot in both camps. (WT-en) WineCountryInn 15:56, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

 * Problem users tend to be marketing companies - someone like Special:Contributions/120.72.90.34, who never respond to talk page messages or other attempts at contact, but continually add badly formatted, tout-ish listings, and occasionally change good listings from actual travelers into content that is copy-and-pasted from marketing brochures. In the past 1-2 years the number of these users has increased dramatically, and while we've established some guidelines for them to follow, it is often difficult to make sure that their edits are dealt with, hence the discussion about blacklisting chains that use them.  That discussion, however, came no where close to achieving consensus, based on some strong opinions that "broad brushing" (as you've said) is the wrong approach for dealing with problem users, and it would only be if the problem worsened to the point where it was out of control that I could ever see such a measure being implemented.  Long story short, it would be great to be able to deal with the marketers, but don't worry about entire chains getting blacklisted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:14, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

Thanks!
Thanks for all the help and encouragement you're giving me all around the site. I withdrew the two deletion nominations and resolved them as you suggested. The only way I'll learn is to get feedback; but at least I usually won't make the same mistake again.

I started off with what I know well, and added or enhanced the Cahokia Mounds State Historic Site article. I think I'm pretty much finished with it, until changes or suggestions pop up. I know that it lacks a map, but would appreciate any other comments on format, phrasing, missing info, conflicts with policy, etc., so I can improve this article and also ones in the future. (I also asked this on Peterfitzgerald, but then learned he's traveling. I hate it when people just duplicate requests like this all over the place without at least acknowledging it.) Meanwhile, I'm reading policies and talk pages, trying to get some background on how things should be. And I just got a new button today: move! Next time, I won't have to get you to move something for me (thanks for doing that for Gondwana Rainforests of Australia last week). I guess still more come at 30 or 90 days. (WT-en) Bill in STL 00:10, 3 August 2010 (EDT)

Revert
This revert is okay. It's true that the police can get involved for people throwing around a Nazi salute, but it's far more unlikely that crowds of Germans will go after anyone. The editor was probably well intentioned, but edit was exaggerated. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 17:06, 9 August 2010 (EDT)

 * Thanks. The user in question updated a variety of articles with advice that seemed stereotyped to me, so I suspected they might not actually be basing the edits on first-hand knowledge.  Good to see you around here again, by the way. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:40, 9 August 2010 (EDT)
 * Thanks. I'm hoping to be able to edit more often now with the thesis finally turned in, but I also just sent my Mac away to be repaired and that'll be a few weeks, so as long as the little lady isn't using hers, I should be on more often.  -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 17:46, 9 August 2010 (EDT)

Use of superlatives in Wikivoyage
moved to Talk:England

Wikivoyage categories
I'm really enjoying the new structure you're providing in the help, policy, and administration pages. I feel that the work of assigning categories to some of the pages really needs experience of using the site and the pages, and so deliberately have not been helping to assign them. But I am certainly using them, and finding some pages which I had overlooked before. Thanks for all your work.

And today I passed my one-month on the site, and the system marked my first edit as patrolled automatic! (WT-en) Bill in STL 13:57, 13 August 2010 (EDT)

 * I'll be very interested to see whether you use your newfound powers for good or evil :) Thanks for the feedback on the categories - I've been wanting to start a project to clean up the documentation for years now, so the kick in the pants was much appreciated.  Hopefully once everything is tagged we can go through what's there and do some refactoring as our docs are often contradictory, duplicated, and generally not the best example of what the Wikivoyage community can produce. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:11, 13 August 2010 (EDT)

Barnstar
For your proactive and dedicated work on categorizing the Wikivoyage namespace, I award you this barnstar. --(WT-en) LtPowers 09:16, 18 August 2010 (EDT)

 * Much obliged - I haven't seen one of these in quite some time :) -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:36, 18 August 2010 (EDT)

Name change
Hey Ryan.... User:(WT-en) Hypatia requested a while back on shared to be renamed to Puzzlement, here on :en too.... can you take care of it? Thanks! – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 19:33, 20 August 2010 (EDT)

 * Done. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:40, 20 August 2010 (EDT)

Hotel restaurant names
Ryan. If the restaurants in the hotel are parts of chains then I suppose the info is potentially useful. Otherwise, unless the restaurant has a particular reputation for excellence should it not be enough to note that the hotel has a restaurant? Not a big issue, but I get annoyed with the brochure material that hotels try to put on Wikivoyage with the assumption that we are all going to want to stay there because of some crappy restaurant or other. (WT-en) Shep 02:59, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

Pub Crawl
Hello Ryan, I'm really sorry if this isn't the place to ask, but I own a tourist company and I tried to add my listing to the La Paz (Bolivia) guide, but it was refused. (It was a walking tour, remember?) I also offer a Pub Crawl tour and I'd like to add it under the "Clubs/Nightlife" section. Is it acceptable? I've seen similar listings particulary at the Buenos Aires guide. Thanks for your time! --(WT-en) Skykid123 ve 01:48, 27 August 2010 (EDT)

Partial protection don't work
Hi Ryan! We seem to have a curiousity in our Nusa Lembongan article. The partial protection doesn't work as anon user still can change the article. We had this in the past and i now installed a hard protection to stop the spammer. (WT-en) jan 10:38, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

 * I'm out of town for the week so my internet access is sporadic - I'd suggest posting in the Pub to see if anyone else can help out, and if not I'll take a look next time I have reasonable internet access. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 02:07, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

US National Parks
Thanks for the help! I'm currently on a small national parks tour around Utah and Colorado and I add little bits after I leave the park. So far I've been to Cabrillo NM, Joshua Tree, Sequoia/Kings Canyon, Bryce Canyon, Capitol Reef, and Colorado NM. Just today I went to a small National Monument called Florissant Fossil Beds and I noticed there was no page. In a few days I'm heading to Rocky Mountain, then to Arches, maybe Canyonlands, then Zion, then home. If you want to collaborate on a couple parks that'd be awesome! (WT-en) McMurphy 23:13, 1 September 2010 (EDT)

 * If you enjoy hiking and weird landscapes then the Needles area of Canyonlands is highly recommended. I'm out of town right now, and my schedule tends to be unpredictable, but I'll keep an eye on your edits and try to help out where possible.  Thanks again for contributing! -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:10, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

Thank you
Thank you for noticing. I hope my comments are in a format appropriate to the wiki :) (WT-en) Davekov 21:19, 3 October 2010 (EDT)

Discussions
Hi Ryan, are there any interesting discussions ongoing that I should be aware of? Thanks. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 15:00, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

 * It's been relatively quiet lately - people seem to be busy. Project:Star nominations could use some comments, and I'm sure the Pub has the usual complement of discussions, but there aren't currently any deeply significant discussions that are very active.  One major difference in the site since you were last really active here a few years ago is that it's become increasingly difficult to deal with marketers, so policies with respect to them have tightened significantly, and blocks of up to 24 hours are now fairly common as an attention-getting measure. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:25, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
 * Right. I've followed that a while back from the recent changes list, but I didn't feel one way or the other so I removed myself from that discussion. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 12:30, 7 October 2010 (EDT)

Thanks
Great to see that my efforts are noticed. We could really need some more patrollers, though, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 03:24, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

Margarita Island
Hi, I am not sure if I am doing this right so please bear with me. Jan and I spent quite some time to make sure that I was within Wikivoyage policy and due to someone spamming the Margarita Island board, the info was deleted. Can you please inform me as to why? Thanks.(WT-en) MustSee 12:43, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

 * See Talk:Margarita Island. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:17, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

Nusa Lembongan
Hi Ryan, could you have a look at Talk:Nusa Lembongan for me and read over my notes on an edit I made to the accom section -Lembongan Cliff Villas-

It seems to be a somewhat contentious listing and I note a miscreant IP editor has been having his way with it for a while. My understanding is that there are some issues at hand regarding some of the owners/operators there and I want to ensure I am not inadvertently editing in the details of a reseller or agent with which the owner may have a conflict. The edit history seems to indicate this listing has been carrying a yahoo email address contact and a URL leading to a page held by a domain name reseller rather than any operator or reseller. Accordingly rather than leave the listing with an unqualified yahoo address, a non working URL address and unconfirmed tel numbers I have used what appears to be a credible set of contact details. Please let me know all is OK as I am unsure of the muddied history. Thanks (WT-en) felix 12:57, 20 October 2010 (EDT)

Kanchanaburi - Tour operator deleted 3 times
Hi,

This is now 3 times that you or some other people deleted what I added in the Do section of Kanchanaburi. I followed the rule on the tour operators. I used the <do> tag. So what's wrong ? Can you at least make the effort to explain ? Until then, I re-add what I added before.

 * You have been provided numerous pointers to our policies on tour operators. By continuing to re-add this listing you are edit warring, which is highly frowned upon. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 02:27, 27 October 2010 (EDT)

Rock and Roll
You beat me to the punch on the revert of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, so I took the liberty of letting the user know that it was reverted and why. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 20:03, 27 October 2010 (EDT)

Tour listing

 * Moved to Talk:Paris.

"Hi, I think the tour listing policy and the consensus on tours is right that's why I don't want to change it(a list of 20 different tours woundln't be usefull for anyone). My idea is to give another kind of valued information to the wikivoyage readers : How to get to know the parisians! Most of the people stay in Paris only few days (the average is 2.6 days) so many people need to feel and discover parisian spirit very quickly. That's what we do! That's why this category "Meet and greet locals" seems to me very usefull. The issue here would be not to list or not the tour but "who are the real parisians that welcome and offers service to the visitor!" (considering the french arrogance I don't think there is so much people!) What do you think? Would it be possible to try this idea?

here is an example : For those who want to meet actual Parisians in addition to exploring major landmarks, in 2010 a group of locals started a new service, "See Paris with a Parisian". You join 90-minute walking tours. The guides show you city landmarks (and the stories and anecdotes that go with them), but they also engage their visitors on life in Paris. You chat with a Parisian, you "decode" the city, and you learn from an insider about local events and festivals, about where to shop, good places to eat or drink, secret places locals keep to themselves etc.

Discover Walks, 1 rue Thérèse ☎ +33 970 449 724, [4]. Several tours to choose from everyday. Free service - guests choose their tip/donation.

thank you in advance for considering this,

Thomas.

Jakarta hidden tours
Hi, just marked the Jakarta article as patrolled. The edit was the addition of a new listing forJakarta Hidden Tours. I guess technically it is a tour guide service and I think the ethiscs are a matter of debate but it looks like an genuine enterprise and the website link provided has some depth to it. My personal view is that it is OK but maybe this needs some other opinions. I have noted that 'guided tour' listings seem to be discouraged. I have posted exact same message at User:(WT-en) Jc8136 User talk:Jc8136. Please let me know what you think. (WT-en) felix 08:27, 17 November 2010 (EST)

 * Most tours that are listed on Wikivoyage don't meet the "traveler could complete the substance of the tour on their own" criteria outlined in the Tour policy, and I'm not sure that this one does either. Additionally, whenever someone adds a "Tours" section it seems to encourage people to "fill out" that section, so I tend to remove such sections to avoid encouraging listings that will later be reverted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:30, 17 November 2010 (EST)

Star nomination for Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay
Hi Ryan, I have done what looked reasonable in response to your comments. Could you take a look and see if the changes are acceptable, and update your comments. Your comment on the issue of "outline" sub-articles as brought up by Peter Fitzgerald would also be appreciated. I would like to get a consensus on this point as it will be a precedent which could affect future nominations of regional dive guides. Cheers, • • • (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 14:32, 19 November 2010 (EST)

Re: Votes for deletion
They are merely comments, nothing more. On Beachtraveller, in particular, my comment was directed at one particular angle of reasoning, not at the nomination as a whole. (That one hasn't been nominated for 14 days yet, though.) (WT-en) LtPowers 10:34, 28 November 2010 (EST)

 * Re: 14 days, I definitely won't clear any of them early. In the past, however, I've been hesitant to complete any nominations with dissents unless there has been ample time to resolve any concerns, and it was only after looking at some other nominations that I noticed you're generally pretty good about stating a "keep" or "delete" preference, and that the comments on some existing nominations may in fact just be comments rather than an actual vote.  Thanks for clarifying! -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:43, 28 November 2010 (EST)

Re: User talk:(WT-en) Suzieqmom
Hi Ryan,

I am BRAND NEW at this and am not even sure I am emailing you correctly! I see you have deleted some edits I made, and I read what you said in my talk, and I do not understand much of what you said :(. Where did the posts go?  Are they just moved, or completely gone?  And what is the "talk" page on an article?  Finally, I don't understand why the blurb on Xel-ha in Mexico/Cancun was deleted.  I want to do this right and become a successful contributing writer, so I would appreciate some more guidance, please.  Thanks! —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Suzieqmom (talk • contribs)

Sorry--just a couple more questions
I understand the changes you referenced now, no problem, except how do I move the blurb on Xel-ha? (it's not a resort, it's an ecological "amusement" park, which existed as a place even before it became a "park.") I know this is basic stuff, but I don't want to delete anybody else's stuff by mistake.

My other question has to do with my edits to "Aruba," which seem to have been changed too. My blurb on the Donkey Sanctuary is gone--we just visited it last week and it is a worthwhile place to mention, in my opinion, and now I can't find it. I posted something on the "talk" page about it, but I'm not sure who deleted it (?) Also, someone "corrected" my edit to Hooisberg Mountain, but the correction is wrong. The original version said 1000+ steps. That is incorrect. I was just there and there are exactly 561 steps, which is what I changed it to. Someone changed it back to 1000+. How do I get the correct information inserted into the article?

I am so sorry to bother you with all of this, but I want to get it right. Thanks!

Please change my username
I am posting here to confirm I wish my username changed from "NatureParkBulgarka" to "RobertSullivan1973" Thank you. (WT-en) NatureParkBulgarka 01:55, 29 December 2010 (EST)

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User talk:Wrh2/Archive 2011

Nha Trang
Please see the talk page, the spammer originally changed a legitimate entry (which I authored) to his/her own details, and you cleared up the spam by removing the whole entry. I feel the original entry was legitimate and wortwhile, so I have restored it. Thanks (WT-en) Muzzamo 20:45, 21 September 2011 (EDT)

Nashville Limo Addition
I was the one who added the limousine (Grand Avenue) listing in the Nashville article. It was a mistake that I had not signed in, and I have made other edits to Nashville. I don't work for them, and I have heard they are high quality from people who would know. Can we get it back on? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Saxonjf (talk • contribs)

 * We've had a lot of trouble with limo companies advertising on the site before, and since limo service is of limited use to most travelers we've generally just ended up removing them. If the company you added really is commonly used by travelers in Nashville please go ahead and restore it, but make sure you also restore the company that was there originally that you removed, or at least provide a reason why you are removing it. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:11, 4 January 2011 (EST)

Chicago's winters
The original average January high of 29 in Chicago was waaay erroneous. The normal January high temp in Chicago is 12 and the normal low is -5. Also, there is no way for any city to be fully prepared for an ice storm, especially as long as utility lines are strung on poles or on any type of elevated mounting that causes the wires to hang freely above the ground instead of the wires being laid underground. More info on ice storms can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_storm --(WT-en) Zxcde 11:04, 4 January 2011 (EST)

 * As was pointed out in a previous edit, the National Weather Service disagrees with you. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:54, 4 January 2011 (EST)

Re; You'll need to site sources
http://www.topix.com/forum/state/il/T95V42T15S9DPJD0F Does that answer your question? (WT-en) Zboing 23:48, 17 January 2011 (EST)

 * No. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:32, 18 January 2011 (EST)

Sedona
I ate at the Coffee Pot Restaurant three months ago and it was doing good business; are you sure it's closed? (WT-en) LtPowers 17:12, 19 January 2011 (EST)

 * Before originally marking the article patrolled I did a search for "Coffee Pot Sedona" to make sure the anon was removing closed restaurants, and I got this result which says "Cee Dee Jamaican Kitchen opened May 15 in the former Duke’s Coffee Pot Cafe at 1070 N. Swan Road.". Looking at that more closely it looks like a different restaurant, so based on your experience I've restored the listing (sorry for the confusion).  The URL for the other restaurant that was removed  didn't work, so I'm assuming that one is definitely OK to remove. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:23, 19 January 2011 (EST)

 * Yeah that one's in Tucson, many many miles from Sedona. The one in Sedona is named after the Coffee Pot rock, a rock formation just north of the restaurant.  As for D'Lish, their new web site is http://www.dlishvegetarian.com/, and from the looks of it they have indeed closed their physical location in Sedona.  (WT-en) LtPowers 22:00, 19 January 2011 (EST)

Deleted Images
Hi, I wanted to let you know that you put the images Image:1.jpg, Image:100 1103.JPG, and Image:25.jpg in the Archives for deletion (with the result: deleted), but you forgot to actually delete them. (WT-en) –sumone10154 14:01, 2 February 2011 (EST)
 * And additionally Image:Fk-map.png from the February Archive (WT-en) –sumone10154 14:53, 2 February 2011 (EST)

 * Those files were all deleted from English Wikivoyage. There are files with the same name on shared: Wikivoyage, which is what you are seeing now. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:07, 2 February 2011 (EST)

Ho Chi Minh City (Eat)
Hi Ryan, you recently deleted a couple of Eat listings:
 * Villa Romaine Part of the Thao Dien Village complex, which is located at 195 Nguyen Van Huong Street, Thao Dien Ward, Dist. 2, ☎ +84 8 374 4645. High quality Italian food. 15 min by taxi from District 1 (or 7 min by boat) and is on the banks of the Saigon River.

 * Halal@Saigon 30 Dong Du Street, D1, is opposite to the Indian Jamia Mosque, near Sheraton Hotel. ☎ +84 8 3824 6823. Halal@Saigon offers Vietnamese and Malaysian cuisine.

Your edit note mentions "copyedit per Wikivoyage:Don't tout - one listing only". I am thinking this may have been a mistake but I do not want to revert your edit in case there is something going on that I have missed. They do not appear to be repeated nor exceedingly touty.

I do note though that Villa Romaine and Water Puppet Show at Ngon Restaurant share a phone number.

 * Every saturday at 7:30PM there is a traditional Vietnamese water puppet show on the riverside outdoor terrace of Ngon Restaurant in District 2. This is a traditional Vietnamese experience nobody should miss. The show is located about 15 min by taxi from District 1 (all taxi drivers will know the address) and is well worth the trip.

Cheers -- (WT-en) felix 22:56, 17 February 2011 (EST)

 * The same user edited all of these listings, and the URL is the same as one of the resort listings. The addresses differ, but given that this user seems to be adding lots of duplicates I may have been a bit heavy handed in copyediting.  If you know the city feel free to restore as you see fit. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:08, 17 February 2011 (EST)

 * I have no special knowledge of the destination, hence my reluctance to mess with your edit. Certainly Villa Romaine appears to be part of the 'resort' and is clearly promoted as an in-house restaurant so you are quite correct. I am thinking that the Water Puppet show should probably get the axe as well for the same reasons. It appears to just be a decent quality resort with some good restaurants (and a puppet show) and they should all just go under a single Sleep-Splurge listing..

 * On the website they state "Thao Dien Village is a haven for food lovers. We have four restaurants to choose from. Ngon, Vietnamese fine dining, the romantic Villa Romaine, Chaba Thai, and Tama-Gawa Sushi Bar. On request we can organize private parties at any of our restaurants." 195 Nguyen Van Huong St., Thao Dien Ward, Dist. 2, HCMC. Tel: (84.8) 3744.6457 Fax: (84.8) 3744.6458 Email: hotel@thaodienvillage.com

 * Halal@Saigon seems to be an entirely separate operation and I think someone has made a mistake with the URL. I finally tracked them down at http://www.halalsaigon.com/ and they are a Malaysian operation set up by some guy called Dr Shimi. On that basis I will put the Halal@Saigon listing back in with an edit to fix the errors asI am assuming the only reason you deleted Halal@Saigon was the common URL.

 * I have consolidated the Thao Dien hotel, the 4 restaurants and the water puppet show (trying not to LOL now) into one listing under Thao Dien Village. Run your eyes over it and make sure it seems OK-obviously edit if you think required. Cheers -- (WT-en) felix 12:48, 18 February 2011 (EST)

Split-apartment booker
Hi Ryan, there is a new apartment booking service listing at Split. They have a street address and phone number in Split (although they forgot the street number) and seem to be offering more than a cyber booking service. Split seem to have a few apartment listings already, indeed there is an article section. It looks fairly legit so I tidied up the detail and left it there my edit note reads -- (→Mid range - add to and clarify detail for apartment booking service, correct ph number error, provide street number and email address--bit borderline). As per my edit note I feel it might be a bit borderline. What do you think? Cheers -- (WT-en) felix 12:37, 5 March 2011 (EST)

 * Officially any apartment/rental listings must first be discussed on the article's talk page, and there must be some consensus to include an apartment listings section in the article, although in cases where such listings aren't being abused I think most editors here tend to look the other way. In the case of Split it may be OK, but if that section gets out of hand then it can be removed unless someone wants to argue for its inclusion on the article talk page. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:49, 5 March 2011 (EST)

 * Thanks Ryan that pretty much concurs with my feelings on that listing in the context of that article but I do understand that it is a sensitive issue at times. Thanks for your opinion. It seems like a relatively calm article and I see no evidence of the apartment issue either having been discussed or being problematic at this time. I will just leave it in as per my tidying up edit, cheers -- (WT-en) felix 15:57, 5 March 2011 (EST)

Talk Page deletions
Hi Ryan, Please revert your changes to the Pitcairn talk pages. If you need the reasons please email me for a copy of the relevant court order. Wikivoyage is not above the law. I suggest you and I would save a lot of our time on this matter if Wikivoyage had someplace to deliver court orders of this sort. I strongly suggest you start standing up for the small guys of the web by recognizing the issue of cyber-harasment and allowing the courts to sort out who is right and who is wrong. You are not the judge of this issue, but simply a enthusiastic web editor, this is why we have developed a court system in the western world where everyone gets their say and the Judge makes his/her decision. Please do not put yourself above the law.

Regards, Islandboy1

 * Wikivoyage has well-defined guidelines for talk pages, and you are welcome to present a rebuttal argument to anything on this site that you see as unfair or factually inaccurate. Discussion, rather than censorship, is a key tenet of the collaborative approach that makes a wiki work. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:34, 10 March 2011 (EST)

 * In every culture there are limits to free speech - yours included, otherwise those willing to tell the biggest lies and with the loudest voices would win any argument. Not a place I would want to live. When I am the subject of blackmail or harassment I do not counter this by harassing my persecutor or by blackmailing them back - or even standing in the middle of the road and shouting abuse at them - but this is what you are condoning in your argument - In the South Pacific we call this rule by the arrogant and aggressive - and it is definitely not part of our culture. How about some cultural sensitivity. I am a liberal, but I assure you that there are limits to all things, and your condoning of cyber-harrassment is destroying the very web that you obviously cherish - not to mention destroying peoples lives. We need a open, informed, and civilized debate on the web - not a shouting match. It should not a place for blackmail attempts and cyber-harassment - but unfortunately it is - as I, and many other victems like me have come to find out. Do not put yourself above the law, we train and pay lawyers and judges to settle disputes of this kind, this is not your role in society - how could you possibly make a judgment of this kind when you do not have the facts of the case - to do so would be arrogant the extreme - please read my non-molestation order - you want an informed debate, how about starting there. Islandboy1

 * Fascinating, yet totally irrelevant to the content in question. I'll add that no contributor to this site, including Wrh2, are legal representatives of IB; and to the best of my knowledge, IB has no holdings that would be within Pitcairn Islands jurisdiction.  Whatever your problem is, this isn't the right venue for it.  -- (WT-en) D. Guillaime 21:35, 10 March 2011 (EST)

 * Actually this is the right venue, as wikivoyage has no system to take in (and hopefully act on) court orders. In my opinion Wikivoyage will rapidly become a "dog eat dog" world if it stays outside the jurisdiction of the courts. I suggest you avail yourself of the facts of this case. The kangaroo courts of the middle ages worked like wikivoyage - ie made judgments without knowing the circumstances of the situation. By condoning cyber-harassment on wikivoyage you much degrade wikivoyages credibility. So Mr Guillaime, "what would you do to defend yourself and your family from blackmail and harassment dished out on the pages of wikivoyage ?" I really want to know - and to give you a hint, I will not lower myself to use the tactics of those harassing me. I am proud to live in a civilized society where I/we trust the courts to sort out harassment cases such as this. A dog eat dog world is not a place I want to raise my children. Islandboy1

 * You've already been informed of IB's contact information - which you should appreciate as a courtesy, since it's trivially found public knowledge. Presumably you can consult with competent legal counsel from there.  Meanwhile, just as soon as I see you subjected to any harassment or blackmail here, I'll let you know... but at the moment all I see from you are unprovoked threats, which reflect far more badly on your company than anything already here.  -- (WT-en) D. Guillaime 22:44, 10 March 2011 (EST)

 * I've responded at Talk:Pitcairn Islands. As has been stated repeatedly, Wikivoyage has a clear procedure for resolving these sorts of disputes - if the complaints against your company really are false then it should be very easy for you to provide a counter-argument, but understand that deleting comments and similar actions are likely not to be productive. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:03, 10 March 2011 (EST)

Geneva
I'm afraid the template you point out doesn't include a "By foot" section. My correction was purely linguistic, to me it just sounds odd to say "by foot". --95.17.151.222 19:53, 11 March 2011 (EST)

 * Project:Huge city article template has no less than five standard sections such as "By car", "By boat", etc. It's pretty clear that the standard is "By method of transportation", and yes, I agree that it sounds odd. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:44, 12 March 2011 (EST)

Whistler listing revert
Hi Ryan, just wondering why you reverted this edit. I checked the HI Whistler page and it looks like the listing from the IP is correct. I'll check it out (and what happened to the old location) when I'm up in Whistler in a couple of weekends but I just wanted to check in with you before I undid your revert. Cheers. (WT-en) Shaund 21:33, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

 * Unless I'm mistaken the edit I reverted simply changed the order of the listings so that they are no longer alphabetical - did I miss something??? -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:42, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

 * There was a change of address too -- it looks like they moved over the summer. I'll just fix it up with the new address and description. (WT-en) Shaund 23:33, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

Northeast Washington
Hello Ryan. Thanks for your comments regarding the renaming of a Washington State region to "Northeast Washington." At the time, I tried to find the "move" tab, but it was missing. As I haven't done this on Wikivoyage in many years, I was thinking the move tabs were only on Wikipedia. After reading your comments, and looking into this further, I think the problem was being logged out unknowingly. That seems to make the "move" tab disappear. I did log back in before saving, but that's happened many times before, and I didn't think anything of it.

I'm going to go back and redo the name change so the edit history follows the page. The discussion about it is a few years old, and its original name "Rocky Mountains (Washington)" was never debated or explained at all. The first person to propose all the regions came up with it, and somehow it was never changed. The problem is Wikipedia and other sources clearly indicate the Rocky Mountain range does not extend westward into Washington State. There are two different smaller mountain ranges in this region, but their names are not widely known.

(WT-en) MMKK 22:55, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

 * Thanks for fixing it. I would have asked you in the first place, but thought only an admin could delete a page.
 * (WT-en) MMKK 21:37, 18 March 2011 (EDT)

 * No problem. And you're correct about page deletions - Special:Listusers/sysop (second from the end). -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:42, 18 March 2011 (EDT)

The problems with the Hungary article in March 2011
''I've moved this message to Talk:Hungary so that it is available to others who might wonder what is going on. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:56, 18 March 2011 (EDT)''

Problem with adding a listing
I am trying to add a listing in Hvar - DO - http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Hvar by clicking on Ad listing button.. But as soon as I refresh my browser the listing is not there any more... Why?

Ho Chi Minh City
Hi Ryan, whoops, I thought vietnamtransferservice.com rang a bell but recalled them from a different article. I recall they also multiple listed elsewhere but maybe it was at Ho Chi Minh City. My initial concern was that it was a listing hijack and I just assumed that is why you reverted to the previous lister. Good spotting, and good outcome to clear both the multiple listing and the dead link. cheers -- (WT-en) felix 17:01, 29 March 2011 (EDT)

 * My bad for not leaving an edit comment on the revert, but yeah, this company has been spamming us of late. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:02, 29 March 2011 (EDT)

New England
Hi, I'm trying to move New England (United States of America) to New England so can you delete the page for New England? Thanks (WT-en) –sumone10154 16:56, 30 March 2011 (EDT)

 * Done. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:15, 30 March 2011 (EDT)

Nusa Lembongan
Hi Ryan, as you have recently performed some edits on the Nusa Lembongan article perhaps you might like to give your opinion on a recent edit I have made there. Over time I have been growing a little concerned at the apparent incremental acquisition of other listings by one operator Victory Shine. Although it is of course quite possible that all the now 9 properties are becoming consolidated under single ownership or management control the operators have not been leaving edit notes or explanation on the article discussion page. Email addresses show multiple anomalous issues as do phone and fax numbers. I have given a fairly thorough explanation of this on the article discussion page. Perhaps you could look it over an let me know if you think the action is appropriate. They may have their own perfectly good reasons for using a mix of yahoo and gmail email addresses rather than their own domain name based email address, and their own reasons for not listing all of their properties on their own website however quite frankly I think they are having a lend of us. I hope my recent direct contact with them and subsequent edits to 8 of the 9 listings may motivate some explanation from them. Perhaps you could look it over an let me know if you think the action is appropriate. Although tempted to just move all 9 listings across to the discussion page perhaps we need to consider that is potentially prejudicial to the genuine operators should some of these be hijacks. -- (WT-en) felix 12:17, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

Puerto Escondido
Please see the talk page before deleting my listing. —The preceding comment was added by 75.99.230.10 (talk • contribs)

Risk Level Infoboxes
Hi Ryan, then again I'm sorry, but I'm only new to this wiki, and I haven't learnt much about when this was all brought up and so on. I can understand your point, but I would like to reiterate that there is no harm in posting them. -- [[User:(WT-en) Abi|Abi] May 4 2011 (EDT)

Bergen (Germany)
Hi. I see you have moved the above article. However, there are at least 16 Bergens in Germany, so we may have to rethink the name again in future. --(WT-en) SaxonWarrior 14:01, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

Saw your comment on the article talk page. Germany does have its own official disambiguation system which is even used on road signs e.g. Winsen (Aller). In the case of this particular Bergen, they use "Bergen (Landkreis Celle)" which is not particularly elegant! Most are better than that. I agree we should leave this for now, but I will mention the German system on the convention talk page. --(WT-en) SaxonWarrior 16:20, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

 * Thanks for your encouragement. I'm a reasonably seasoned Wikipedia editor, which helps up to a point, but still feeling my way around Wikivoyage. It has outstanding potential and I'm planning to encourage folk around here to get stuck in and develop travel information within the area to everyone's benefit. But they will be even newer to this game than me, so I think patience and positive help will be needed! Regards. --(WT-en) SaxonWarrior 07:52, 7 May 2011 (EDT)

delete the charleville castle page
Yeah you're probably right about the page.

You can delete it —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Dsfdas (talk • contribs)

mattcgarrity
Hi Ryan. I just saw your last three comments today in my user talk ( [] ). Sorry that I missed them. I'm beginning to become more familiar with the site.

I understand what your saying about talking about the location when they're already on a location page. I'll definitely keep this in mind in the future. Sorry for being an inconvenience. I'm not trying to spam you just trying to put in some relevant area hotels.

Thanks for your help. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Mattcgarrity (talk • contribs)

Puerto Escondido
Please see the Puerto Escondido talk page about your recent activity. —The preceding comment was added by 75.99.230.10 (talk • contribs)

Ireland page
what needs to be done with the Ireland page? you added the "needs attention" thing at the bottom.

Template:If
Hi Ryan. I can see why you are proposing to delete this template, but it's used by Template:QuickbarPlace that I recently created following discussion at the Traveller's Pub. Can you help me figure out how to replace by #if. Otherwise the template will screw up. --(WT-en) SaxonWarrior 12:14, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

 * It should be converted now - if you see any problems please let me know. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:33, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

 * Many thanks. --(WT-en) SaxonWarrior 14:02, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

Sorry, Ryan, but I've just spotted that the coords don't display correctly now. I don't know enough about the syntax to put it right. Can you help? --(WT-en) SaxonWarrior 15:46, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

 * I'm not sure if the most recent change fixed it or not, so if not could you let me know specifically what the problem is? Also note that there hasn't been much support for quickbars for cities in the past, and per the Pub discussion it's an idea that might not yet be supported, so it is probably best to hold off on adding these to any more cities, at least for now.  Note that there may be more support for quickbars for high level regions. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:02, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

Rhinocarhire dot com
Hi Ryan, I hope it is ok to contact you this way, I was hoping you could please update me on the status of Rhinocarhire dot com on the local spam blacklist. I have updated the thread and would welcome your comments as to how best to progress from this point. Many thanks.

Hi Ryan, I have read your response regarding rhinocarhire dot com on the black list thread and responded accordingly and a little disappointed with the response. I would welcome the opportunity to discuss some of your concerns - can you please advise the most appropriate way to contact you. We are not looking for a recommendation from wiki, merely to be removed from the blacklist as we feel there is no further justification for our inclusion.

 * With all due respect, from my standpoint I'm not sure there is anything more to discuss. You are welcome, however, to try to convince others that your business should be removed from the blacklist as consensus drives decisions on this site, so I am definitely not the sole gatekeeper to getting your listing removed from the blacklist. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 08:48, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

Can you please explain how consensus works in relation to having sites removed from the blacklist. I have said previously that we have no desire to be promoted on wikivoyage, merely to be removed from the blacklist directory as is potentially damaging to our business. I note this page is locked (understandably) and cannot see that without administrative assistance that we will ever be removed from the list.

 * I would suggest leaving a message either in the Pub or on Project:Requests for comment asking people to respond to your arguments for blacklist removal at Project:Local spam blacklist. If people don't respond to that request you can make a few repeated requests, but be aware that it's not generally easy to get on the blacklist, but once on it there generally needs to be a pretty strong argument made in order to get off, and I'm not sure that "we're better now" will be sufficient to convince many contributors here. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:57, 25 August 2011 (EDT)

User bans
Hi Ryan. Where in our labyrinthine structure will I find the criteria for and discussion about user bans? I know I have read these pages, but damned if I can find them again. Cheers. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 03:26, 11 June 2011 (EDT)

 * Sorry for the late response (I'm out of town) → Project:User ban nominations. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 09:12, 11 June 2011 (EDT)

 * No worries and thank you. That page needs some common search term redirects which I will put in place!--(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:43, 11 June 2011 (EDT)

DOM
Hi Ryan (with apologies for a cut and paste message). I am trying to muster up some interest again in the now almost moribund Destination of the Month feature. This used to be one of our more dynamic initiatives with lots of debate. Sadly, that is no longer the case. I have made some new nominations to try to get it going again. If you have a moment please pop over there. And some nominations would be good if you can think of any! Thanks. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:22, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

Malaysia-related block
Hi, Wrh2. I see you blocked unregistered user 217.115.137.222 for 1 week. Of course, I understand why and sympathize. However, blocking that IP is not likely to be useful, because that IP was used only once. The troll who posts to the Malaysia article uses various IPs (for example: 87.225.253.173, 83.170.92.9, 199.48.147.36, 199.48.147.42, 122.102.100.161, and 74.3.165.39) as you can see from the history of the article (I would speculate that these are different public computers in an internet or computer centre of some kind). So if you want to protect the article from trolling, the only thing to do is bar unregistered users from editing it for a period of time. Meanwhile, 217.115.137.222 should be reinstated because there has been only one post from that IP, and for all I (we?) know, it could be one computer in an otherwise innocent computer centre somewhere.

All the best,

(WT-en) Ikan Kekek 03:05, 27 August 2011 (EDT)

 * My thought was to just start applying one week blocks for whatever IP posts that garbage since it's been going on for a while, just as we apply 3 month blocks to spambot IP addresses - the user in question has used the same IP address a few times, so my hope is that they may have a limited range of computers that they're using. It's possible that this would snare an innocent user, but the odds are pretty low given the number of IP addresses in the world.  As to protecting the article, that's another option but we get a LOT of anonymous edits to the Malaysia article and it would be a shame to lose them due to one persistent troll.  That said, I can remove the block if you're concerned - let me know. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:35, 27 August 2011 (EDT)

 * I agree that it's a shame to have to protect an article. If you would like, maintain this block, but if the troll posts from another IP, I think at that point, it would be advisable to lift the block on this IP and protect the article from edits by unregistered users for a period of time. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 20:32, 27 August 2011 (EDT)

User-created districts
User 78.145.44.147 has been creating a lot of empty India districts. What should we do with them? Redirecting seems logical, but I do not really know the area well enough to judge where to redirect them to. Also, it is a politically sensitive area. That's why I was thinking maybe to just delete them? --(WT-en) globe-trotter 15:35, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

 * That user is also making politically motivated edits that in no way benefit the traveler. I say delete.  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:43, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

 * I'm OK either way - I left a note on User talk:78.145.44.147 asking that any major changes to Wikivoyage's regional structures be discussed first, although I don't hold out much hope of that happening. My initial attempts at redirects were mostly an attention-getting measure, although unfortunately I had to run out before I could finish. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:01, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

Buffalo Eats Deletion Explained
I'm new to wikivoyage; and so, I really don't know the in-and-outs yet. Is there a place to explain a deletion without commenting in the actual article? Anyways, here is the reason. The portion deleted asserts that "beef on weck" is pronounced "beef on wick". Well, it's not. A native of Buffalo and having worked throughout the food industry here, I can confidently tell you that no one pronounces it "wick" - and I do mean no one. I've taken orders from literally hundreds of people for this meal, and I have never-ever even once heard anyone pronounce it that way. I don't know from where this misinformation comes, but it is just that: misinformation. Maybe somewhere else in the country people might call it that; but in Buffalo (where the dish originated), it certainly is not pronounced that way. So, my edit stands, and I shall redo it again. (WT-en) BoyBlueSky 21:42, 16 September 2011 (EDT)
 * I won't claim to be from Buffalo, but I grew up close enough to see beef on weck on menus and hear it pronounced. I didn't write the original phrasing into the article, but I concur with its interpretation of the pronunciation.  It is pronounced "wick".  It may sound like "weck" to a Buffalonian, but it sounds like "wick" to everyone else.  (WT-en) LtPowers 09:04, 17 September 2011 (EDT)

Archiving help
I'm still plodding along at cleaning up the pub cellar, but hit a wall on two discussions. Do you know where we could/should move these? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:26, 29 September 2011 (EDT)

 * Perhaps Wikivoyage_talk:Technical_details? They both seem related to the underlying Mediawiki software, so that would be a semi-reasonable place for them. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:43, 29 September 2011 (EDT)

 * If I may pick your brain once more—this last one for 2008 has me stumped too, and I don't particularly want to bury it in the cellar. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:12, 29 September 2011 (EDT)

 * Honestly I'm not even 100% sure I understand what that discussion is about :) My first thought is that Template talk:Related would be a good place - it's not exactly what the discussion is covering, but it's a more relevant place then the cellar. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:29, 29 September 2011 (EDT)

 * Works for me. Thanks! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:58, 29 September 2011 (EDT)

Thanks
I will try to be regular here for old times sake — (WT-en) Ravikiran 06:27, 9 October 2011 (EDT)

Is the site screwed up?
Hey, are you still around? Is the site as screwed up for you as it is for me? My recent changes shows nothing until I click on a different number of changes to display, and then it loses my preferences. And the edit box of any edit page has shrunk down to only 2 lines tall. What is going on here?? (WT-en) Texugo 12:21, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
 * And now, after about 20 minutes of that nonsense, everything suddenly seems to be back to normal. (WT-en) texugo 12:23, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
 * You may have hit Pub - a few people (myself included) have seen their user preferences inexplicably reset recently. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:36, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

Hi Ryan. I occasionally feel compelled to prompt a delete of these things myself as sometimes they do sit there for a while. I am sure you are not at this 24/7 and you appear to be the one who clears a significant volume of this rubbish. I only put the detail on the deletion page as the policy dictates this should be done. I am happy to just apply a and either blank or delete the content is it is obnoxious or silly enough to justify it. If my efforts in doing this are creating extra work for you (or someone else) in clearing the then let me know and I will just leave them there. Likewise if I do not need to detail the on the deletions page then I am happy not to. I recall Ikan complained about me doing that just after he got admin buttons as maybe he just thought I was posting them there for no reason. It only creates extra work for me if I list them on the deletions page when they are so obviously spam. As you are aware I do not have admin access here so I cannot delete them myself, otherwise I would be pleased to do so. Just let me know if I should just ignore articles and user pages containing spam and other rubbish completely as I would rather not do it at all if it is not useful to the project. Frankly I would rather just watch birds flying past my window than unnecessarily spend my time detailing reasons to delete a penis enhancement spam page. Also I do not really need any extra opportunities to bear further subtle chiding and derision from a few fellow editors here who apparently think some of my activities on WT are less than appropriate. Your advice on the thing would be appreciated. -- Thanks, and do keep up the tireless work dealing with the spam and other garbage that occasionally appear here. -- 00:51, 9 November 2011 (EST)(WT-en) felix

 * Hi Felix - I responded at Project:Deletion policy. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 02:18, 9 November 2011 (EST)
 * Thanks Ryan, I will ensure that I only touch them is they have been up for over 24hr. I will continue to assume it is correct to list the detail on the deletions page if I apply a unless you advise otherwise.  I do appreciate the clarification.
 * What should I do if I come across something that is really astoundingly offensive, should I just leave it, or should I blank it and apply a . If so then I am back in a circle unless I then list it on the deletions page. Should I just ignore it even if it is something really over the top. The world will certainly not stop turning if something stays there for an extended time but I would like to do something about it if it is something really nasty. Penis enhancements and drug promotions are stupid but fairly benign, I mean something obviously very extreme and highly inappropriate.-- (WT-en) felix 02:39, 9 November 2011 (EST)

 * Hi Felix - you're of course welcome to blank spam pages and nominate them if you'd like. The only reason I raised this issue is because I was concerned that time was being spent tagging and nominating pages that were just going to be deleted on sight as soon as the next admin logged on and saw them, and i wanted to point out that such nominations really weren't necessary. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:31, 9 November 2011 (EST)

 * Hi Ryan, I thought that is what you were intimating, though I am not entirely sure what a couple of the other comments from others were hinting at. I will not bother doing it then unless I find them lost back in the histories or they are astoundingly offensive in some way. Your own comments and feedback on this has been, as always, quite clear and succinct and thanks for the further clarification. As I cannot see your background admin process on the deletions I was concerned I was actually adding to the workload somehow with the and that would be a most unfortunate outcome, and unintended. Thanks again for the clarity.-- (WT-en) felix 01:30, 10 November 2011 (EST)

Mandarmani hijackers-the Bengal cowboys
Hi Ryan, could you have a look at a note titled Mandarmani hijackers-the Bengal cowboys that I left over at Mr Ikan's Talk page. It is about the Bengali cowboys and you might like to take a look. -- cheers -- (WT-en) felix 07:22, 15 November 2011 (EST)

 * I'll keep an eye on it and will blacklist the URL if I see it come up many more times. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:42, 15 November 2011 (EST)::Ikan just whacked him again at Mandarmani doing this. Slipping this into the lead paragraph of the article

Time for some depth charges I think. -- (WT-en) felix 11:03, 15 November 2011 (EST)
 * Mandarmani (or Mandarmoni,http://www.hotelinmandarmani.in Mandarbani) is a beach resort in Southwest Bengal in India.

:it spam
Yes, it would definitely be helpful for you to have admin tools on it, especially as I am going to be wandering around W Africa for the next month. I leave on the 27th, so lets get that nomination nailed down before then. In the meantime, I'll have a look to see what I can do in cleaning up. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:15, 16 November 2011 (EST)

 * Done - wts:Project:Administrator nominations. I am jealous of all your travels - I've got three-day business trips to Boise to look forward to... -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:27, 16 November 2011 (EST)

 * I'm not sure Boise's best foot is put forward in the winter... But I do recall you like cold destinations ;)

 * Cleaning up is like pulling your own teeth when the site is so slow. I'll do just a little each day to avoid losing my mind. The obvious solution to this problem, of course, would be to enable CAPTCHA for a basically dead language version. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:33, 16 November 2011 (EST)

 * If you feel like exercising a gross abuse of your bureaucratic powers and granting me preliminary admin rights I'll do some cleanup - my day today is a maddening series of write code - start compile - stare blankly out of the window - finish compile - repeat, so I've got some time. And Boise in the winter... yeah.  Not as many penguins and caribou as I'd prefer. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:42, 16 November 2011 (EST)

 * Consider them grossly abused. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:08, 16 November 2011 (EST)

 * 51 reverts and 33 deletes later things look a bit better. Unfortunately the history of a few topics now contain hundreds or even thousands of spam revisions, but unless there's a way of purging specific revisions I suppose there's nothing to be done for that. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:55, 16 November 2011 (EST)

 * Well, we could delete the page and then restore the edits, de-selecting each spam revision manually. We could also plan a Get-together in Lagos. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:28, 16 November 2011 (EST)

Doesburg
What did I do wrong? Can i correct it? --(WT-en) Kcv5 23:35, 20 November 2011 (EST)

User bans
Should  really be on user bans? --(WT-en) Inas 23:40, 27 November 2011 (EST)

 * Done. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:08, 28 November 2011 (EST)

Middle East and Turkey
I am simply adding my comments on the article on its discussion page. Turkey should be classified as in Europe rather that Middle East. If you classify it in Middle East, please kindly remove it from European Region. Please kindly do not duplicate. And I added my "strong" feelings on the issue to its discussion page. --(WT-en) Nitrium Talk

And here is my message on the discussion board.

"it gives an political Message, MiddleEast is created to mention a region in political aspect. MiddleEast should not be used in terms of Travel. When you group Turkey to the MiddleEast, you give a rough message that Turkey is a country like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Jordan, Egypt, which is totally false. Turkey implements secularism, democracy, Swiss model, and all European standards. Only because of having a Muslim majority in Turkey, you classify Turkey to be in such a region. Isn't this a prejuidice? If it is ok with talking in terms of Travel, please kindly put Cyprus, and Greece to the same region, which are close to the region --Nitrium Talk 00:40 11 December 2011 (EST) "

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User talk:(WT-en) Wrh2=WankerRejectHermapohdite

Hermaphrodite is a good one. Usually people stick to gay slurs, with a subset that use racial insults. Keep at it, and with luck you might come up with something truly original. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:33, 20 October 2007 (EDT)

THATS IT

NOW IM REALLY MAD, IM LOGGIG OFF THIS HELL HOLE - YOU BOIL ON SOICETYS ASS, RYAN!!!

I MEAN IT - THE COMPUTER IS GOING OFF RIGHT NOW!! HAHA SUCKS FOR YOU..


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User talk:(WT-en) Wrightstuff

Hello Wrightstuff! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. If you have any questions ask me, please! Keep smiling, (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:51, 18 November 2008 (EST).

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User talk:(WT-en) Writerjillie

Hello, Writerjillie! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Wroc

Hello Wroc!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thank you for contributing to Wroclaw. However, we want hotels at a destination! Kliczków Castle may be better, but it is 122 km away! Please consider a better destination article for this hotel listing. -- (WT-en) Huttite 02:09, 25 Nov 2005 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) W.Ross

Hello W.Ross! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. If you have any questions ask me, please! Keep smiling, (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 19:34, 18 November 2008 (EST).

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User talk:(WT-en) Wsamolis

Hi, and welcome to Wikivoyage!

Please check out Project:Welcome, business owners for some guidelines. Some particular items that should interest you are: -- (WT-en) Colin 14:49, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Project:Accommodation listings describes the format for listing a hotel. In particular, SEOed links are not welcome.
 * Please add hotel entries to the city in which they reside. For example
 * a hotel in Incline Village should be listed in the Incline Village article, not the Lake Tahoe article
 * If the city article does not yet exist, go ahead and add it rather than adding a listing to a nearby city.  Here's an example, to create a new "Bonita Springs" article, type Bonita Springs in the search box and press "go".  If the article does not exist, it will offer to let you create it.  Click on the red link, then you will start an empty article.  Click on the "City" button at the top of the edit window, and it will provide you a template.  Add your entry to Sleep and click save, and you're done!

Oh -- and keep in mind that Wikivoyage is also meant for many uses. People who print wikivoyage need phone numbers to call, not just a web link. And International users will need non-tollfree numbers to call. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:53, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Wsw70

Welcome to Wikivoyage!
Hi Wsw70! Thanks for your edits on Poland, they are much appreciated!

I thought I'd just drop by and welcome you to Wikivoyage. If you want to specialize your experience you may want to consider editing your preferences.

Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to the whole wiki software look at the wiki markup to get an idea of how to use the wiki markup.

About your comment on Paris, please edit Paris if you think that the information is incorrect there - sites like Wikivoyage function by contributors just going ahead and editing pages. You don't need to wait for a consensus before changing stuff (if we had to wait that long, nothing would ever get changed!!!)

If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub or on my talk page. -- (WT-en) Tim 16:16, 5 November 2006 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) WTDuck2

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page.

If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub.– (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 04:49, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

Links to categories
If you want to link in text to a category (or another WT language version), you have to put a colon in front: Category:Example, fr:Paris. (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:32, 20 August 2007 (EDT)
 * ??? I wasn't even aware I was doing that... can you tell me where you noticed it?  (WT-en) WTDuck2 15:03, 20 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Oops, a little slow tonight... you mean on my user page. Just fixed them, thanks!!  (WT-en) WTDuck2 15:11, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

Redirects
...don't need a VFD: just replace the article content with "#REDIRECT Wherever". (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:07, 20 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Okay, noted. :)  Thanks again, and please keep telling me when I'm doing stuff wrong.  (WT-en) WTDuck2 03:36, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

Holyrood Palace image
Just select the GFDL-and-CC-by-sa-all image when uploading, then add a note in the description that the CC license is the German version 2.0. (As far as I understand, the license is entirely identical in content, the uploader just wants to make the German text the authoritative one in court.) (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:41, 20 October 2007 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) WTmafia

Listen, I get that you're trying to make a point that the regulars here are a bunch of mafia bent on dogmatically enforcing rules that you feel make no sense, but if you're going to delete content because it "belongs in city articles" at least move it to the city article so that it isn't lost. Deleting it outright isn't particularly helpful. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:17, 13 September 2011

 * You have got nothing and stop breaking the rules yourself. Provide the policy that states your position in black and white about moving content. (WT-en) WTmafia 17:00, 13 September 2011 (EDT)WTmafia(WT-en) WTmafia 17:00, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

 * The rules don't apply to you? (WT-en) WTmafia 21:19, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

Your Idiotic Deletions
I have noticed your destructive edits to the guide (and your idiotic comments above). You have deleted numerous descriptions to State Parks and so forth. Apparently you do not realize that State Parks are located in the countryside, not within cities. You should be permanently banned as a disruptive editor. Your username "mafia" is very telling. (WT-en) gamweb 02:22, 27 October 2011 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Wtmitchell

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage. You can edit your preferences to change how the software works for you. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to our wiki software, MediaWiki, look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to edit a page. If you need help, check out the help desk, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.-- (WT-en) Sapphire 03:04, 23 September 2006 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Wulfstan

Hello, Wulfstan! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. (WT-en) LtPowers 14:42, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Wulong

Hello!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. You can edit your preferences to change how the software works for you. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to our wiki software, MediaWiki, look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to edit a page. If you need help, check out the help desk, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thanks for your edits to Orchha. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 05:16, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Wushuzilla

Hello Wushuzilla! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub.

Hope you will teach us something from those travels -- (WT-en) Sertmann 22:28, 10 November 2008 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Wuster

Welcome to Wikivoyage!
Hi Wuster!

I thought I'd just drop by and welcome you to Wikivoyage. If you want to specialize your experience you may want to consider editing your preferences.

It would be a very good idea to have a quick look at our list of tips for newcomers to get a feel for what we are trying to achieve on Wikivoyage, and if you're new to the whole wiki software, also look at the wiki markup to get an idea of how to use the wiki markup.

If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub or on my talk page. -- (WT-en) Tim 18:24, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Wuuppa

Hello Wuuppa! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Hi wuupp. (C) Johnny

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User talk:(WT-en) Wwc

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. (Can you tell this was a cut-n-paste?) -- (WT-en) Jonboy 13:19, 8 March 2006 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Wweritz

Hello Wweritz! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. If you have any questions ask me, please! Keep smiling, (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 19:22, 18 November 2008 (EST).

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User talk:(WT-en) Wwper123

Hello Wwper123! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page.

If you are a Wikipedian then you may notice some differences in policies and the style of our articles. These include:
 * NPOV → be fair (not quite the same thing!)
 * be bold → plunge forward
 * Village pump → travellers' pub
 * External links → We do not use a separate external links section, but incorporate primary links only into the text itself.
 * sandbox → graffiti wall
 * stub notes → Article status notes

If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. Thanks for contributing! - (WT-en) Huttite 02:34, 27 January 2009 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Www.bukhara.travel

Hello, and welcome to Wikivoyage. Your contributions for Uzbekistan articles are appreciated in general, but please look over the site's external links policy -- as a rule, links to secondary sources, including travel agencies, are discouraged. The help section has much more information. Ideally we'd like to provide travelers with more information about tourism in Uzbekistan without advertising specific commercial services. Thank you. (WT-en) Dguillaime 03:04, 26 November 2008 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Wwwdaiyang

Games gold ad removed by (WT-en) Evan

Goals and non goals of Wikivoyage
Hi Daiyang

Please take a look at what Wikivoyage is all about, in particular,

"Wikivoyage is a project to create a free, complete, up-to-date and reliable world-wide travel guide."

As I'm sure you're aware, what you have written above doesn't fit with this!

If you do want to contribute to Wikivoyage in a way that is constructive towards our goals:

Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to the whole wiki software look at the wiki markup to get an idea of how to use the wiki markup.

If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub or on my talk page. -- (WT-en) Tim 07:17, 2 December 2006 (EST)

 * There are administrators on here that can remove your spam (just like I have done) by clicking one button, so it's not really worth your effort posting it up again and again. -- (WT-en) Tim 09:52, 2 December 2006 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Wyomingtravel

Welcome
Thanks for your contributions! Please see Project:Welcome, tourism professionals for some guidelines that might be relevant to you. In particular, please consider moving some of the content you have added to Wyoming to the relevant city and park articles - the state article is meant to be an overview of the state, and should not generally include detailed listings. Also, please see Project:Region article template - Wikivoyage uses standard section headings that should not be changed. Thanks again! -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:26, 23 February 2011 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Wzrd

Welcome
Hello Wzrd! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. If you are having trouble with some of the terms being used, check out the jargon page.

Thank you for contributing to Bradford on Avon, Malta and New Forest. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 09:58, 30 July 2006 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) X

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User talk:(WT-en) X1x2x3x4

Hello X1x2x3x4! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. Thanks for your modest contributions to some different places! Keep it up! Happy first day of snow in Edmonton, (WT-en) ee talk 11:49, 11 November 2008 (EST).

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User talk:(WT-en) Xania

Hello!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. You can edit your preferences to change how the software works for you. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to our wiki software, MediaWiki, look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to edit a page. If you need help, check out the help desk, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thanks for you help with reverting vandalism! Also, if you have any questions feel free to ask! -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 20:24, 8 December 2006 (EST)

 * Yes, great work so far! Thank you for all your effort, it's really appreciated. --(WT-en) Evan 13:25, 10 December 2006 (EST)

Begging
You added a section "alternate view". I've just deleted that but incorporated most of your text elsewhere in the article. Have a look and do further editing or start a discussion on the article's talk page if you disagree. I think we might have quite different views on this, partly because most of my travel has been in China and India. (WT-en) Pashley 09:57, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Xanthar

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Thanks for your great contributions to Sousse! (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:13, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Xavier

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Thanks for your work on Qingdao. --(WT-en) Evan 11:48, 3 Aug 2004 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Xcaret2

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And thanks for lending us your expertise on those Mexican destinations -- (WT-en) Sertmann 22:52, 10 November 2008 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Xcharlie89x

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