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Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/November 2009

Archive for Project:Votes for deletion acted on in November 2009. If you can't find the chronicle that interests you here, try Project:Votes for deletion/October 2009 or Project:Votes for deletion/December 2009 for things that may have happened earlier or later, respectively.

Andes

 * Delete, it is not used as a sub-region of South America, so why would we have an article for this region? (WT-en) Globe-trotter 11:28, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
 * Note: article was missing VFD tag; I've added it. (WT-en) LtPowers 15:35, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
 * Delete Wikivoyage doesn't cover entire mountain ranges. Information about specific mountains should be placed on city pages or given their own page, if there is enough to see/do on a specific mountain within the Andes. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 16:12, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
 * Keep, change format to disamb. The text that currently exists in the article seems reasonable to me.  It directs the traveller to the regions they will get information.  Lets remove the current template, and put the info there currently into a disamb format.  --(WT-en) inas 22:42, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
 * Keep. I can't say I care much whether the result is a disambig or an actual region article, but I don't see any reason to get rid of a valid, coherent region article, regardless of whether it is part of the hierarchy. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:29, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Keep Wikivoyage actually does have coverage for the Alps and Himalayas, so unless there is consensus to get rid of those, as well, the Andes are legitimate. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 00:38, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Would you care to comment on whether you think the full region template or a disamb is more appropriate? After all, the Alps contains the far too useful advice to eat fondue, so we have much to look forward to in the Eat section of the Andes.  --(WT-en) inas 01:57, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

 * I feel there may not be much to say about the entire mountain ranges that would make them useful articles beyond Wikipedia-type facts. I think a disambiguation page with links to more specific articles (either mountains within the range or cities in the mountains or cities where tourists can access parts of the mountain) is likely to be more helpful. Itineraries that include the mountains are also good to link from the disambiguation page. Stating where/what to eat, where to sleep, etc. are just not practical, because there are too many places from Peru to Chile. It seems impractical, as a guide. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 02:26, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

 * I'd say the Andes have a distinct cultural heritage from the Incan and surrounding civilizations of yore, as well as from the realities of high altitude living, which could lend to a good region article. There's certainly more of interest to write about than for South Central Nebraska. Our region articles are almost universally terrible, but that's a different issue to work out, I think. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:39, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

 * True enough, but when you see the opportunity to have one less, why not take it!? --(WT-en) inas 05:42, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Do you think this type of article warrants a sort of half-disambiguation, half-article page? I mean, I agree with Peter that there are things you can say about the culture and history of the area, but I still think that when it comes to sleeping, eating, see, do, etc. it is more helpful to have links to places within the range. If it doesn't have such links, then it's sort of a hollow, dead-end article. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 14:12, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Keep We have Rocky Mountains as well. (WT-en) Pashley 04:44, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Change to disambig - And hey Pashley, you just voted to keep on the basis of Rocky Mountains which is only a disambiguation page. What gives? (WT-en) Texugo 00:46, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

 * I'd say we should have something for any reasonable search term, or any term it might be convenient for a writer to link to — Andes, Taj Mahal, Bombay, Appalachia, ... — but we don't want redundant articles, so disambigs are fine for most of them. Writing about Quito, it seems reasonable to me to say it is high in the Andes, so I want something at "Andes". (WT-en) Pashley 23:33, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

 * In nearly all cases, I completely fail to see that overlap of region articles is a problem. Yes, we need a hierarchical scheme for the breadcrumbs, but that scheme is not sacred. To me, Rocky Mountains or Baltic Sea are obviously valid titles, although neither makes a coherent region for the hierarchical scheme. Listing Turkey in both the Europe and Middle East articles seems to me the obvious thing to do. And so on. I do not consider "it does not fit our hierarchy" a valid reason for deletion. (WT-en) Pashley 23:45, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Keep - Geographical features such as major mountain ranges provide an alternative way of viewing travel. If I wanted to visit the Andes it would be useful to know which countries, and which parts of those countries, contain the Andes. - (WT-en) Huttite 06:00, 3 November 2009 (EST)

 * Outcome: Kept, discussion copied to Talk:Andes. - (WT-en) Dguillaime 00:44, 1 December 2009 (EST)

Remote destinations
Basically an advertisement for www.trulyremote.com (which I'll proceed remove the link to per our external links policy), I think it's aptly covered in our excellent Off the Beaten Path section. Delete or redirect there, don't really care. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 22:37, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Delete I was about to nominate it myself, but you beat me to it! (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 22:41, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Delete and don't even bother with the redirect. - (WT-en) Dguillaime 22:48, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Redirect. Seems like a useful search term.  (WT-en) LtPowers 11:11, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Speedied. User deleted the content for the second time, and reviving it seemed sorta pointless, we can allways make a new redirect if anyone else sees that as a good idea. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 19:32, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
 * ... you speedied something I'd explicitly recommended keeping? Nice.  (WT-en) LtPowers 22:23, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Edit warring over a guide with content it seems like noone, including the author, wanted to keep seemed a bit obsessive to me. And if there is a consensus for a redirect, well, the only changed is whether the link is red or black when it's created. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 02:06, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
 * The speedy deletion rules are pretty clear, I'd thought. Why did you even bring it up here if you were just going to speedy it anyway?  (WT-en) LtPowers 09:26, 8 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Exactly because it was a likely search term, but I didn't know it would prompt an edit war when I nominated it, these guys generally don't tend to return once they've gotten their links sneaked in. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 09:49, 8 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Sertmann, while I agree with the end result, according to Deletion policy, you were out of line there — no speedies if there's any doubt. However, this is actually a bit of a grey area, so I've raised a discussion on Project:Deletion policy to clarify the wording. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:29, 8 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Okay, okay, okay.... point taken, jesus. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 11:19, 8 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Delete. I hate the redirect.  Remote means something entirely different to off the beaten path to me.   --(WT-en) inas 08:09, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Delete. I would not go as far as "entirely different"; there is considerable overlap. However, "remote" and "off the beaten path" are certainly not synonyms. Pitcairn or Hovd might fit both categories, but Kilkenny and Penticton are by no means remote. (WT-en) Pashley 09:06, 29 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Outcome: Deleted. - (WT-en) Dguillaime 00:44, 1 December 2009 (EST)

Kleena kleene
All of the content is a copyright violation from Explore magazine. Either delete or maybe empty and re-direct to Williams Lake. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:07, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Delete. Useless and copy-vio (WT-en) jan 06:48, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Delete, since the capitalisation is wrong as well. (WT-en) Pashley 07:36, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Delete for the above reasons. (WT-en) Texugo 12:22, 9 October 2009 (EDT)

Sun Koshi
Empty river article. I hate to vfd another body of water while there is a discussion going on, but this one seems rather clear cut. All previous content was copyvio, now deleted.
 * Delete - (WT-en) Texugo 12:47, 9 October 2009 (EDT)

Image:Lama Women at Dhogme.jpg
I rather like these three pictures, but they violate our policy about people in photos.
 * Delete all - (WT-en) Texugo 13:02, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Not sure What about the part that states "Some exceptions might be for particular sports or activities or crowd scenes or illustrating some costume or uniform." These pictures are from the Indigenous Peoples Trail article, which seems to be showcasing various cultures and people of the area... Would these pictures then be examples of showcasing the various ethnic groups? (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 14:20, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I re-read that to make sure too, but they definitely aren't showcasing sports, activities or crowds, and I don't really think you could say they are showcasing a costume or uniform either. It doesn't list an exception for showcasing the ethnicity itself either. With almost the same argument, I could upload a picture of a typical Japanese salaryman passed out on the train or a Cearense fisherman with his jangada, but my understanding is that those aren't allowed because there is no model release. (WT-en) Texugo 02:37, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

 * I guess I was thinking about the "costume" part of it, particularly with the photo of the woman. On that note, though, if we were to agree that it is indeed showcasing her ethnic costume, would need a release from her? If these photos undoubtedly need releases, then of course, we can do nothing but delete them. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 03:33, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Texugo is right in terms of the policy linked above. The law varies from country to country, and there are some exceptions which also vary. Basically, though, any picture of a person needs a model release. The exceptions cover things like a scene where the people are incidental (photo of Champs Elysee), or some event like a football game or a wedding where you may need permission or even an invitation, but not individual releases. I very much doubt these photos would qualify for the legal exceptions anywhere, and they certainly don't under our policy. (WT-en) Pashley 08:10, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Outcome: Deleted. - (WT-en) Dguillaime 00:44, 1 December 2009 (EST)

YMCA YELAGIRI

 * Delete. Does not meet the requirements in Project:What is an article?.  The user who has re-created this article doesn't seem to be reading his talk page so hopefully this vfd nomination will get his attention. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:32, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Delete Not an article and should rather be a listing. (WT-en) jan 13:53, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Keep.A travel guide for people in South India. —The preceding comment was added by 122.164.174.61 (talk • contribs).
 * Delete Though, our dear Mr David seems to be an awfully clueless personality that can't really take a hint, so I'm not so sure we'll get his attention. The fact that the YMCA is already listed in Yelagiri by this user himself, the blatant disregard of netiquette, capital letter pimping and whatnot should land this guy a blacklisting soon. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Sertmann (talk • contribs).
 * An obvious delete, I'd say. Is there anything in it worth moving to Yelagiri first? Or should it just go? (WT-en) Pashley 07:38, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Merge and Redirect to Yelagiri. Deleting the page will merely leave a space to recreate it. Merging/redirecting will stop the page being created again and it can be protected, if need be. - (WT-en) Huttite 05:44, 3 November 2009 (EST)
 * Delete per Project:Deletion_policy, as it is an enterprise, not an attraction or a geographical location. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:30, 7 November 2009 (EST)

 * Outcome: Deleted. - (WT-en) Dguillaime 00:44, 1 December 2009 (EST)

Pigfarts

 * Speedy delete I wish I already had the magic buttons but this spam is at least a bit funny. (WT-en) jan 11:29, 14 October 2009 (EDT)

List Of Airlines Which Offer One Way Fares
Some discussion is already on its talk page, with the key points being "unmaintainable" and "better suited for Tips for flying".
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Dguillaime 13:48, 14 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Defintely Delete One way flights are today commonplace (either fictive return flights or offered straight away).(WT-en) jan 14:18, 14 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Merge into Tips for flying. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 14:27, 14 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Merge into Tips for flying, and give it a better name. One way flights are unfortunately by no means commonplace, and a fictive return is NOT half the price of a return, as clearly stated in the understand section.--(WT-en) Swissbelg 16:14, 14 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Delete. It is an encyclopaedic list.  Its potential value to a traveller is minimal, and any information on the cheapest or best way to fly to a destination is best placed in the destination guide.  --(WT-en) inas 17:53, 14 October 2009 (EDT)

 * does that means all encyclopedic lists should be removed from wikivoyage? i have a few suggestions there...
 * Its potential value to a traveller is minimal
 * i think that is a very personal assumption, if someone (yes, like me) does not like planning where to go next on a world trip, this is probably one of the most essential things... i would have saved weeks of searching if i would have found such a list, that's why i wanted to share the little i found out so far.
 * ...and any information on the cheapest or best way to fly to a destination is best placed in the destination guide...
 * its not about a destination, it's about an airlines policy on one way flights. pleas read the related article before voting ;-P --(WT-en) Swissbelg 20:28, 14 October 2009 (EDT)

 * IMO, there is very little value in encyclopaedic lists on wikivoyage. I know there are lots of them on wikipedia, but this site, right now doesn't have the resources to maintain them, they fall out of date quickly, or more likely never even reach a stage of accuracy.  I'm not convinced even the airlines there now are correct.  There are some exceptions, like the UNESCO lists, but this one has considerably narrower appeal.
 * I would be really surprised if this sort of list helped anyone with their travel planning. Just about every airline will enable you to fly one way to a destination.  Airlines on the list aren't necessarily any cheaper, or in any other way better to those off it.  You still need to check with the airlines.
 * I understand it is about the airlines policy. But at the end of the day, it is about the best way to get to a destination, and the person travelling to that destination is going to be reading that destination guide for tips on the best way to get there.  I would think that in the New Zealand article, it is well worth pointing out that all airlines flying between Australia and New Zealand sell fares on a one way basis, so you shouldn't lock yourself into one airline for the forward and return trip to get the best price.  I think that info may already be there..
 * Essentially, I think this list has is high maintenance, for low traveller value. --(WT-en) inas 00:10, 15 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Outcome: Deleted. I admit the consensus here was not the strongest, but the discussion petered out and more importantly, the page itself was never added to by the original user or anyone else -- with only the one edit to create it almost two months ago, it was clearly abandoned.  - (WT-en) Dguillaime 00:44, 1 December 2009 (EST)

Beijing/Tiananmen
Already covered at Beijing/Dongcheng.
 * Redirect - (WT-en) Texugo 03:59, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Redirected. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:00, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Anyone up for a similar fix for Beijing/Ditan? - (WT-en) Dguillaime 14:33, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Apparently not, so deleted. - (WT-en) Dguillaime 00:44, 1 December 2009 (EST)

San Antonio/Downtown
Created with a lot of nonsense letters. San Antonio is otherwise un-districtified.
 * Delete - (WT-en) Texugo 04:06, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Redirect to San Antonio, so that when the place is districtified the article will already exist. - (WT-en) Huttite 06:07, 3 November 2009 (EST)
 * Now Redirected - Discussion added to talk page. - (WT-en) Huttite 06:59, 3 November 2009 (EST)

Seattle/Madison Park
Two-line description of an attraction, not linked from anywhere. I suppose it could be redirected, but don't know to where, or if that is worthwhile. (WT-en) Pashley 23:34, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

 * There's yet another Seattle district article floating around out there? Nothing links to it (hence minimal redirect value) and it contains no useful content, so I would suggest deleting it.  The area is already covered by Seattle/Capitol Hill-Central District.   - (WT-en) Dguillaime 23:57, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
 * I don't think people do searches with "/", so it could probably just be deleted. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 00:22, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
 * What about Seattle/Laurelhurst, Seattle/Georgetown, Seattle/Ravenna, maybe others? (WT-en) Pashley
 * That's a good point by Chubby. Personally it would never occur to me to search for any destination with a / in the search string .--(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:11, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Laurelhurst and Ravenna are both going to be merged into larger districts, uh, real soon now. (All those North Seattle articles are such a mess...).  Georgetown must have gotten overlooked -- its content has already been transferred, so I'll redirect it now.  - (WT-en) Dguillaime 15:25, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

Redirect per Project:Deletion_policy to Seattle, if not to a district. The point of that clause in the deletion policy is to save us the trouble and time of debating whether to delete or redirect for each individual case, so lets stick to it. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:18, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

Destination_Resorts_Hawaii

 * Please speedy delete. It's a hotel page and the user tried to delete the vfd. (WT-en) jan 16:14, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Speedily deleted as attractions do not get articles.  - (WT-en) Dguillaime 16:20, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

Www.bromotrail.com
Speedy please. It's a Javanese tour operator and owner of the Cemera Indah hotel. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:04, 24 October 2009 (EDT)

Bekal Fort
An attraction rather than a destination. Text appears to be a copyright violation from or several other places with the same phrasing. (WT-en) Pashley 23:07, 25 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Redirect to Kasargod until an article for Kanhangad is written. (WT-en) LtPowers 14:34, 26 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Redirected. - (WT-en) Dguillaime 00:44, 1 December 2009 (EST)

DFDS_Seaways
Advertising (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 12:34, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Speedy deleted as such. - (WT-en) Dguillaime 12:44, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

 * I'm in awe, the proud old dinosaur spamming a Web 2.0 site, remarkable. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 12:57, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Pierreabbat/keyboard_layouts
Looks like poorly executed and incoherent spam. (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 16:37, 29 October 2009 (EDT)

 *  Deleted. - (WT-en) Dguillaime 00:44, 1 December 2009 (EST)

Re-enactment

 * Delete or Redirect - Insufficient information to understand the purpose of this page. While I can understand historical re-enactments might be a tourist attraction, the information should appear on the relevant destination guide article. I can also understand that a travel topic linking those destinations might make interesting reading, but I don't think this is the right name for it. If someone can think of a better name and/or come up with a purpose statement for the article then I would be happy for it to stay. - 07:45, 31 October 2009 (EDT) —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Huttite (talk • contribs).

 * Delete is fine; the subject could make a perfectly good travel topic, but this isn't a very coherent start. (WT-en) LtPowers 10:27, 31 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Delete The name is quite bad. I think it would need to at least specify a type of reenactment, like Civil War or something, in order to make it a sensible travel topic. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 14:49, 31 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Delete Agree with ChubbyWimbus. There may be a case for Historical re-enactments as a travel topic, but the current article name is unsuitable and the content trivial and not worth the effort of renaming. The author does not seem to be interested in developing the article or defending it. (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 01:28, 1 November 2009 (EDT)

 * Delete. Stub travel topic, apparently uncurated. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:51, 1 November 2009 (EST)

Template:Welcome_Box
Inappropriate content (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 03:42, 3 November 2009 (EST)

Speedy deleted. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 04:59, 3 November 2009 (EST)

Kishine koen
Says its a station name in Yokohama. —The preceding comment was added by 130.49.148.119 (talk • contribs).

 * So redirect it to Yokohama. (WT-en) LtPowers 11:52, 3 November 2009 (EST)

 * Merged and redirected before I even saw this. (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:25, 3 November 2009 (EST)

Dog_friendly_bed_and_breakfast

 * Delete. At a push, the content could go into Eastbourne as a listing but it is not particularly close to that town. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:47, 5 November 2009 (EST)
 * Delete. It probably could be listed somewhere, but this minimal level of content isn't really worth salvaging.  (WT-en) LtPowers 13:18, 5 November 2009 (EST)
 * Speedy Delete. Can never be an article.  Clearly against policy of no articles for hotels and the like.  --(WT-en) inas 17:49, 5 November 2009 (EST)
 * Move to the place/destination of the listing, then (possibly) delete the title. - (WT-en) Huttite 06:41, 6 November 2009 (EST)
 * the destination does not have an article nor could it ever support one. It could possibly go into Eastbourne as I said earlier but that is about 30 miles away.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:32, 6 November 2009 (EST)
 * Moved to Herstmonceux. The village has a pub and 2 restaurants, castle, science museum, nearby Windmill Hill, all within a couple of miles of the B&B, which makes it makes it a place to sleep too. Sounds like a destination to me, as it passes the sleep test and potentially has at least one listing in each of See, Eat, Drink and Sleep, and probably covers 2-5 square miles of countryside. Not big, but enough, I think, and Hailsham, the nearest town, is a bit far away in my mind. - (WT-en) Huttite 08:29, 6 November 2009 (EST)

 * Delete, but add a listing at East_Sussex; that has a summary of lodging options and this would just add one. (WT-en) Pashley 07:58, 6 November 2009 (EST)
 * I think having Sleep listings in regional articles does not meet the template and is a work-around or concession for not having destination articles for the places where you can sleep. - (WT-en) Huttite 08:29, 6 November 2009 (EST)

 * Merged & deleted per Project:Deletion_policy (commercial establishment). --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:37, 7 November 2009 (EST)

Glass_Bead_Making_in_Italy

 * Delete - this is a redirect to a deleted page. Should also be deleted (not an article)
 * speedied (WT-en) Pashley 18:58, 6 November 2009 (EST)

Marsellies
This is a redirect to a non-existant page. There was no useful content at any time. Is there such a place or is this a misspelling of Marseilles
 *  Delete  if my hypothesis above is correct (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 02:51, 7 November 2009 (EST)
 * Delete I tried to correct the spelling and got it wrong. I have now corrected the redirect to Marseille. I have also corrected the only page that links to this, so now this page can go. (WT-en) Chris1515 13:00, 7 November 2009 (EST)
 * Keep, plausible misspelling. (WT-en) LtPowers 13:11, 7 November 2009 (EST)
 * Keep per Project:Deletion_policy & Project:How to redirect a page. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:45, 7 November 2009 (EST)
 * VfD removed from page and redirected. (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 04:45, 9 November 2009 (EST)

Downtown Pawtucket
* and Pawtucket (Rhode Island) -- (WT-en) LtPowers 13:11, 7 November 2009 (EST)

These appear to be the same place and much of the content is the same.
 * Merge and rename to Pawtucket unless there is another place of the same name elsewhere. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Pbsouthwood (talk • contribs)
 * Hi Peter. Don't forget you can do the merge yourself; you don't need to nominate it for deletion.  Also, be careful what you name the discussion section; the VFD template links to these sections, using the name of the article by default.  Your original section header, which I've corrected, implied that you wanted Pawtucket (Rhode Island) deleted as well, when in actuality, it's the proposed merge target; only list the article under deletion consideration in the section header.  Anyway, as long as we're discussing it here, I'm fine with Merge and Rename.  (WT-en) LtPowers 13:11, 7 November 2009 (EST)
 * Hi LtPowers, Is Pawtucket(Rhode Island) the correct style of title for the article? I would have thought just Pawtucket would be sufficient unless there is a possibility of ambiguity, which is the reason for my original header, as I was proposing a merge to a new article, and redirect for the existing ones. This is also why I didnt just go ahead and merge, as I wanted a bit of feedback on whether this was the best option. -- (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 03:03, 8 November 2009 (EST)
 * wikipedia:Pawtucket indicates that there is but one, so you are right, we should move Pawtucket (Rhode Island) to Pawtucket, and then merge the content from Downtown Pawtucket into Pawtucket. Parentheses are used in our article names only if we are disambiguating. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 04:02, 8 November 2009 (EST)
 * I saw this as a proposal to merge into Pawtucket (Rhode Island) and then rename that article to Pawtucket. Merging into a nonexistent article didn't make sense to me.  (WT-en) LtPowers 10:12, 8 November 2009 (EST)
 * Never mind what I say. listen to what I mean :-) Sorry, I expressed myself badly. You both seem to get the intention. Reaname Pawtucket (Rhode Island) to Pawtucket, either before or after merging the Downtown Pawtucket info. (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 03:23, 9 November 2009 (EST)

Content merged from Downtown Pawtucket, Pawtucket(Rhode Island) moved to Pawtucket and links updated. Original articles redirected to Pawtucket. (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 04:31, 9 November 2009 (EST)

Yatrinivas satpada
I think (only think) this is a hotel. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:34, 7 November 2009 (EST)

Delete. Satpada seems to be a place; Yatri Nivas appears to be a hotel there, with hotels of the same name elsewhere in India. (WT-en) Andyfarrell 18:11, 10 November 2009 (EST) Outcome: Deleted. - (WT-en) Dguillaime 00:44, 1 December 2009 (EST)

Image:EtteremRestaurant.jpg
Uploaded purely for the sake of telling the reader not to go there (in violation of Project:Avoid negative reviews). I've removed it from the article so it's now orphaned and I don't see any utility in keeping it. (WT-en) LtPowers 20:22, 8 November 2009 (EST)

 * Delete. I don't know if our avoid negative reviews policy goes as far as to avoid listing places which specialise in tourist scams.  Regardless, the image is useless.  --(WT-en) inas 22:27, 8 November 2009 (EST)

 * I didn't associate the image with the surrounding text, honestly; perhaps I was mistaken on that point. (WT-en) LtPowers 09:03, 9 November 2009 (EST)

 * Outcome: Deleted. - (WT-en) Dguillaime 00:44, 1 December 2009 (EST)

Camden postcard

 * Image:Grat.jpg
 * Image:Greetings.jpg

Copyvios of the pictured postcard. The postcard even has a copyright notice right on it! (WT-en) LtPowers 20:30, 8 November 2009 (EST)

 * Also Image:Imagescmd.jpg, recently uploaded. (WT-en) LtPowers 11:20, 14 November 2009 (EST)

Image:Patch.jpg
Derivative work of the Camden police department patch design. (WT-en) LtPowers 20:30, 8 November 2009 (EST)

Image:Topbanner.jpg
Blatant copyvio from http://www.greatercamden.org/ I suspect the uploader doesn't have any grasp of copyright. (WT-en) LtPowers 20:03, 12 November 2009 (EST)

Image:Ferryboat.jpg
I have concerns about this one. I can't prove it's a copyvio, but I would bet dollars to donuts that the uploader (who also uploaded Topbanner.jpg and Patch.jpg above) didn't take it. TinEye shows one result (although I can't find it on the source website anymore) that is clearly derived from this image, proving that this is not the first place the image has been published. (WT-en) LtPowers 20:09, 12 November 2009 (EST)

Image:Maps.jpg
Looks like a Google Map to me. I deleted it from Huntingdon Valley. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 08:41, 13 November 2009 (EST)
 * This is actually on shared (where I've nominated it for deletion). (WT-en) LtPowers 11:24, 14 November 2009 (EST)
 * swept to archive, no action since it's on shared. - (WT-en) Dguillaime 00:48, 1 December 2009 (EST)

Wikivoyage_talk:Travel_topic_status/index.php

 * delete Inappropriate page, no useful content. -- (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 07:04, 14 November 2009 (EST)

Speedied (spambot) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 07:17, 14 November 2009 (EST)

Boracay Regency Beach Resort
Not an article, but a hotel.
 * Speedy. Not worth keeping the info and going to the trouble of copying it into the relevant article where it is in any case already listed.  Very touty and badly written. This is just the sort of business owner who irritates the crap out of me. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:15, 21 November 2009 (EST)

McY%C3%B6r%C3%BCks

 * Delete Restaurant in Antalya. content already relocated —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Pbsouthwood (talk • contribs)
 * Speedily deleted. - (WT-en) Dguillaime 15:54, 27 November 2009 (EST)

Thirdie

 * Speedy . User advertising his social networking site. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:05, 26 November 2009 (EST)
 * I moved the content into his userspace. --(WT-en) inas 23:13, 26 November 2009 (EST)
 * Cool. Contemporaneous with the vfd I think :) Here's one to ponder though (and should probably be discussed elsewhwere): we are having these fairly fundamental discussions about business-driven listings and yet a user can fill his talk page with advertising and back-links with no relevance whatsoever to any travel matters :/ . --(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:19, 26 November 2009 (EST)
 * I suppose you could have guessed that I disagree with people being able to do that as well, but I think the integrity of the main namespace is more of a concern. I'm sure someone who recollects such things can give us a pointer to the relevant discussion.  --(WT-en) inas 23:37, 26 November 2009 (EST)
 * After a lot of searching..... here is a discussion on that very subject: Wikivoyage_talk:User_page_help. And I think the page in question could have been deleted as per Project:Deletion_policy. Bizarrely (!), I see that Google indexes WT user pages and user talk pages. Therein lies the reason why any savvy person wants a WT user page with a link-back. Search Engine bots should be prevented from indexing and crawling user pages.... another IB tech issue. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:15, 29 November 2009 (EST)

Penrioch

 * Delete. I'm doing some work to try and bring Arran into shape, and came across this article. This is a tiny hamlet, with no accomodation, shops, atttractions or anything else except some lovely scenery. I think the "Motorcycle Musem" mentioned is someone's wee joke: The 'motorcycle museum', with only one motorcycle, which is British, on display. You look at it through the window as you stand outside. Free. I'm not even sure that Pirnmill really needs a page of its own either. (WT-en) Tarr3n 06:00, 2 November 2009 (EST)

 * Delete. Does not meet the bar for a Wikivoyage article. Like the joke about the motorbike museum :). Good work on Isle of Arran by the way. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 06:44, 2 November 2009 (EST)
 * Redirect to Arran? (WT-en) Pashley 07:41, 2 November 2009 (EST)
 * Unlikely search term, but I guess a redirect wouldn't do any harm. Now you mention it, it's probably worth setting up redirect pages for the larger villages on Arran, which users might search for. (WT-en) Tarr3n 09:28, 2 November 2009 (EST)

 * Always Redirect valid place names. Always.  (WT-en) LtPowers 10:04, 2 November 2009 (EST)
 * Weak Keep or Redirect. No harm in having a article saying there is little to see or do there.  Probably more useful to a potential traveller than a redirect to another destination article that contains no information on the destination.  Of course if there was destination information in the target of the redirect, then definitely redirect to where the info is. --(WT-en) inas 17:37, 2 November 2009 (EST)
 * Redirect - No place to sleep but might be a search term. (WT-en) Texugo 19:19, 2 November 2009 (EST)
 * If the redirected city contains information about Penrioch, then redirect. If it does not, then we are not doing anyone a favor by redirecting them to a city where the destination they seek is not mentioned. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 00:38, 3 November 2009 (EST)
 * Redirect - It is a place that might be an attraction in the regional destination article, so the information about the scenery can be mentioned under See on the regional destination article page that is the redirection target. - (WT-en) Huttite 06:12, 3 November 2009 (EST)
 * Redirect per Project:Deletion_policy. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:36, 7 November 2009 (EST)
 * I have redirected to Pirnmill, which already mentioned Penrioch. —The preceding comment was added by 82.41.225.31 (talk • contribs) Oops. Actually it was me, forgetting to sign. (WT-en) Tarr3n 17:01, 11 November 2009 (EST)


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Archive for Project:Votes for deletion acted on in November 2010. If you can't find the chronicle that interests you here, try Project:Votes for deletion/October 2010 or Project:Votes for deletion/December 2010 for things that may have happened earlier or later, respectively.

Most Beautiful Beaches of the World
Created with copyrighted material from http://www.articlesnatch.com/Article/Most-Beautiful-Beaches-Of-The-World/1574017 and multiple links to www.beachtraveller.net. Additionally, I believe the concept really couldn't become anything but an unmanageable subjective list.
 * Delete - (WT-en) Texugo 10:42, 21 October 2010 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) Pashley 01:20, 30 October 2010 (EDT)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:33, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

Harbin International Ice and Snow Festival 2011
Created with copyrighted material. This event is not on the order of the World Cup or the Olympics, etc., occurring always in the same place around the same time. It's more of an attraction and hence does not merit its own article.
 * Delete - (WT-en) Texugo 05:37, 25 October 2010 (EDT)

 * It is a major festival and tourist attraction. A valid travel topic article could certainly be written on it, but without the externals links, the date in the title, or the copyrighted text. (WT-en) Pashley 01:19, 30 October 2010 (EDT)

 * Delete An article about world-class snow festivals might be a worthy travel topic, but I don't think Harbin's festival is itself worthy of its own article. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 01:59, 30 October 2010 (EDT)

 * Redirect to Harbin. Could've been done without a discussion.  (WT-en) LtPowers 09:49, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:35, 11 November 2010 (EST)

Reshi khola

 * Delete. The article says that this is a "spot by a river".  A quick Google search isn't turning up much, so I don't think this meets the Project:What is an article threshold. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:38, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
 * Could we create an article for Pedong and merge the content there? (WT-en) LtPowers 09:53, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:38, 11 November 2010 (EST)

Making a difference
Except for the 3 short suggestions under Give, it needs to be merged with Volunteer. No substantial additions in two years now.
 * Merge and delete - (WT-en) Texugo 10:45, 16 September 2010 (EDT)
 * Volunteer certainly needs to be an independent article, not a redirect to this as it is now. Once that is done, though, I'd be inclined to keep this as a stub — there are ways to make a difference other than volunteer work, so it is a valid travel topic. (WT-en) Pashley 09:26, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
 * Rename to Volunteer and clean up. Per the Project:Deletion policy keeping a travel topic as a stub isn't an option - the guideline is that a travel topic that doesn't progress beyond outline within a year should be deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:49, 23 October 2010 (EDT)
 * Anyone else care to comment? It is well past 14 days. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:33, 26 October 2010 (EDT)
 * I agree with your suggestion, Ryan. (WT-en) LtPowers 09:47, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

Result: Renamed to Volunteer. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:05, 11 November 2010 (EST)

Template:Partial, Template:Complete, Template:None

 * Delete. Apologies for the triple listing, but these are all related. Per Project:Using Mediawiki templates: "Before a new Mediawiki Template is put into general use it needs to be discussed and accepted as good or preferably best practice".  These three templates are generically named templates that are useful only in one specific article that is itself a likely VFD candidate.  I would very much like to keep the template namespace as clean as possible, so if this sort of template is going to be introduced it should be discussed and templates that are at least somewhat re-usable should be created instead. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:47, 12 November 2010 (EST)
 * No worries. I'll leave.  I had no idea of the rigid controls I was getting into.  Please delete my page. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Kenanders (talk • contribs)

 * These templates were not yet in general use; it appears they were experimental in nature, and I think contributors should be allowed to experiment. Sometimes that means creating helper templates, and we shouldn't be discouraging that.  (WT-en) LtPowers 15:53, 13 November 2010 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:05, 27 November 2010 (EST)

AirlineInventorySearching

 * Delete. The author marked this page as "please delete".  I've obviously chased him/her off, which is unfortunate, but the page in question likely would not have met the Project:What is an article criteria. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:20, 12 November 2010 (EST)
 * Perhaps we ought to leave at least a welcome message to a new user before tagging their good-faith efforts with gaudy deletion templates. (WT-en) LtPowers 20:31, 12 November 2010 (EST)
 * Actually, the user blanked the page before the VFD appeared, according to the history . Whatever we do with the page (I also suggest delete), the same should be done to the similar Tools, created by a different user account but otherwise the same course of events.  — (WT-en) D. Guillaime 14:42, 13 November 2010 (EST)
 * I think the fact that I marked some of the supporting templates as VFD was the catalyst that led to the user blanking the page and leaving. There is a larger discussion that should happen elsewhere about how to find a balance between making life easy for patrollers while not chasing off new contributors - in this case I probably could have been more patient, but at the same time I'd be hesitant to put into policy anything that might discourage the handful of regular users who do spend time patrolling.  If anyone wants to start a discussion on this matter please leave a pointer to it on this VFD and I'll happily contribute. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:16, 13 November 2010 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:05, 27 November 2010 (EST)

Tools

 * Delete. The original author marked this as "please delete". -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:16, 13 November 2010 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:05, 27 November 2010 (EST)

Roger Williams Park
Stand alone article for a park in Providence, Rhode Island. Doesn't meet WT article criteria. There is some ok looking content that could be incorporated into the relevant city article. - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 03:35, 26 October 2010 (EDT)

 * Merge to Providence/South Providence. City parks are explicitly identified in Project:What is an article as things that do not get their own articles, and while exceptions are sometimes made (see Central Park), per this edit the user who started this article is apparently not going to argue further for keeping this article. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:58, 28 October 2010 (EDT)

Result: Merge tag added for Providence/South Providence. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:31, 27 November 2010 (EST)

3 entry’s by same anonymous user
Pen island Graffiti
 * Delete - --(WT-en) Rein N. 07:55, 29 November 2010 (EST)

Peodoland Graffiti
 * Delete - --(WT-en) Rein N. 07:55, 29 November 2010 (EST)

Sheridan land Graffiti
 * Delete - --(WT-en) Rein N. 07:55, 29 November 2010 (EST)

Result: Speedy deleted all three - (WT-en) Texugo 08:01, 29 November 2010 (EST)

All images uploaded by Special:Contributions/(WT-en) Tas

 * Delete. Per a recent comment by Special:Contributions/(WT-en) Diliff the user in question uploaded at least one image that was not properly licensed.  The variety of image sizes and quality in this user's contribution history make all contributions likely copyvio suspects. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:24, 15 November 2010 (EST)
 * Delete None of the images has any attribution or specific licensing. Agree with your reasoning about image sizes. • • • (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 23:29, 15 November 2010 (EST)
 * Delete. Even if one or two of them are okay, enough of them are obvious copyvios that I don't feel comfortable leaving any of them here.  (WT-en) LtPowers 09:11, 16 November 2010 (EST)

Result: All images deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:15, 29 November 2010 (EST)

Lake James (disambiguation)

 * Delete. Disambiguation page for three bodies of water, but per Project:Bodies of water lakes don't get their own articles. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:53, 23 October 2010 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) Pashley 01:20, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
 * If this is deleted, are we okay with people getting a list of search results when they look for "Lake James"? It doesn't come up with two of the three pages listed on the disambiguation page; Northern Indiana is listed but "Lake James" doesn't appear in the blurb.  (WT-en) LtPowers 09:47, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

 * I was about to delete this article and just noticed this comment. I'm personally OK with search results for cases like this one - I think it's better to rely on search for corner cases rather than trying to manually maintain a disambiguation page for all non-article destinations, but since the disambiguation policy page suggests discussion and consensus for handling corner cases then this discussion would be the place for any discussing. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:28, 18 November 2010 (EST)

 * You're okay with the search results even though they don't come up with two of the three pages currently listed on the disambiguation page? (WT-en) LtPowers 08:40, 19 November 2010 (EST)

 * 100% OK. Just as I don't think we need to make sure that a search (or disambiguation page) for something like "Hard Rock Cafe" shows every single location, I don't think "Lake James" is a  destination that is worth creating an index for when our search index will suffice.  Coming at this from another angle, there is a "Saint James Lake" in Minnesota - if we keep the disambiguation page, should that be included?  What about the likely dozens of other places with the same (or similar) names - at what point do we draw the line?  -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:26, 19 November 2010 (EST)

 * That seems contrary to the principle behind Project:The traveller comes first. We should be taking pains to get the reader to the destination he or she is looking for, not throwing up roadblocks.  (WT-en) LtPowers 18:34, 19 November 2010 (EST)

 * But per our rules, none of the Lakes James qualify as destinations. To illustrate, if one of them were, we would have a page for it, and no mention or possibility of reaching the other two non-article lakes. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:46, 20 November 2010 (EST)
 * Likewise, if we're speaking in hypotheticals, if there were only one destination that had a Lake James, we'd redirect it and the reader would have no problem finding the correct article. (WT-en) LtPowers 13:16, 20 November 2010 (EST)
 * Right, but the reason we do that as a matter of policy is not for the sake of navigation, but for the sake of saving time on this page, as anyone can make a redirect. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:42, 20 November 2010 (EST)
 * Getting the user to the right article ought to be a bedrock principle, not a mere side effect of a rule intended for editor convenience. (WT-en) LtPowers 14:38, 20 November 2010 (EST)
 * Where I disagree is threefold:
 * I don't think we should be anticipating everything a user might be looking for. Whether such an effort would be useful for travelers is debatable since it would likely lead to a great deal of inconsistency in how disambiguation pages are managed and created.  Invoking the slippery slope argument, if lakes are valid topics for disambiguation pages, are hotel chains?
 * I don't think disambiguation pages for attractions are particularly beneficial to travelers except in the case of major attractions. Using the example above of "Saint James Lake", the user still won't find what they wanted on the "James Lake" disambiguation page.  For the majority of these cases relying on the search engine seems entirely valid.
 * On a wiki I don't think you can discount the value of having clear editorial guidelines by invoking a possible benefit to users. Our Project:External links policy clearly eliminates content that would be beneficial to users, but on a freely-editable site it's often preferable to have clear rules to help avoid a profusion of questionable contributions.
 * Summing up, I think that at some point we simply need to say "the search page is good enough", and the recent changes in the disambiguation policy were an (apparently failed) attempt to define that dividing line. Note that if search isn't turning up an article with the name "Lake James" in it (as you mentioned) then that's a technical issue with search, but not something I think we need to create a disambiguation page to work around. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:39, 20 November 2010 (EST)
 * Well I tend to consider most geographic features to be likely search terms. Maybe all of the Lakes James are minor enough that no one would ever search for them; I don't know.  (WT-en) LtPowers 15:56, 20 November 2010 (EST)
 * I'm going to move this to Project:Disambiguation pages since it seems there remain some unresolved concerns. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:52, 21 November 2010 (EST)

 * This is another case of disambiguating non-articles, and I don't think we have concluded that discussion. Following the logic I argued in the linked discussion thread, I would like to delete per Ryan—but we should wrap up that discussion first. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 11:08, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

 * I've added a suggestion to Project:Disambiguation pages that tries to find a compromise between the two positions being argued. Further comments would be appreciated. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:52, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:55, 30 November 2010 (EST)

Roman empire

 * Delete. This clearly doesn't meet the Project:What is an article criteria, but I didn't speedy delete it as there may be some chance that the user is trying to create some sort of itinerary or travel topic. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:51, 25 October 2010 (EDT)
 * Would the user be interested in creating an article about current opportunities on having a trip around what was once Roman Empire in the circumstances it was done during that era, named something like "Travelling Roman way", instead of a hypothetical "time travel" scenario? Sure, it doesn't guarantee that it won't be vfd'd once more, but let's see how it would evolve this way. For example, is there a place where you can take a litter today? People still hitch ships, for example, which might make you feel closer to Roman times when done in Mediterranean. Or a restaurant or region which specializes in Roman cuisine, like Tallinn's Olde Hansa Restaurant, which specializes in medieval cuisine and uses no electricity. Major highways in parts of Europe still closely follow what was once major Roman routes, so what about an itinerary like Via Egnatia? Then you could go on telling about visiting Roman sites that are still (partially) intact, like Pompeii, Parthenon, or Ephesus. Otherwise, delete — one of Wikivoyage's goals is to be an up-to-date guide, and travel info out of date by two thousand years isn't much within that context, to say the least (no matter how interesting it was reading that "get in" section — and shouldn't it be "get around" really? :-) – (WT-en) Vidimian 20:29, 25 October 2010 (EDT)

 * I wrote this article. I believe that Wikivoyage should have a hypothetical scenario for a historical sense. Even if no of course it is not possible to travel there it is of course common knowledge to be a fictitious scenario yet one based on accurate historical information. There should be pages that stretch the bounds of one's imagination. That was only the beginning of the article which is meant for major expansion and further detail in other locations at the time. Such as the city Rome. PERHAPS THERE SHOULD BE A HISTORICAL TRAVEL SECTION. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 67.184.17.210 (talk • contribs)

 * There are numerous articles on Wikivoyage that aren't traditional travel articles (see On the trail of Marco Polo or The Wire Tour for two examples), so if you re-work your article to be more about how a modern traveler could vacation like a citizen of ancient Rome instead of a travel article written FOR a citizen of ancient Rome then it would fit in with this site's goals. However, if your plan is solely to re-create a period travelogue then it would probably be more useful to simply defer to the actual travel writers of the time; expanding the scope of Wikivoyage to include fictional "historical" articles would definitely require some discussion at Project:What is an article or Project:Goals and non-goals, and I suspect that there will not be a consensus to expand the site's scope for this type of subject. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:50, 25 October 2010 (EDT)

 * I would venture that, even if it were updated as a modern-day itinerary or travel topic, the topic is far, far too vast. I'd much rather see itineraries for individual Roman roads or articles like Exploring Roman Brittania. (WT-en) Texugo 04:39, 26 October 2010 (EDT)

 * I agree with Texugo. There may be some great itineraries/travel topics that could be formed around seeing ruins, artifacts, etc. from the Roman Empire however, as a single topic, it covers too much territory. You even stated in the article that it will cover "Italy Gaul and Britain Iberia Northern Africa Egypt Middle East Asia Minor Greece Eastern Europe" An article that has a traveler going from England to Syria to Tunisia and all over Europe definitely needs more structure and greater purpose than simply the fact that each has remnants of the Roman Empire. Similarly, a British Empire itinerary would not make a sensible itinerary, because a traveler would be going to Australia, Hong Kong, India, South Africa, Ghana, Nigeria, the United States, etc. These topics don't really have courses to follow, they would just be lists, I feel. Although the article is cute to read, the focus needs to be on how modern travelers can see all of the sites listed in an itinerary. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 23:35, 26 October 2010 (EDT)

I'd say keep if anyone wants to work on it, otherwise delete. It could develop into something quite interesting.

On the trail of Marco Polo is (I think, having written it :-) a good example of an article based on history that becomes a reasonable itinerary. The Roman article could be split into smaller ones, following say Julius Caesar or Hannibal about. I'm not sure that's a good idea, but it might be worth considering. (WT-en) Pashley 00:56, 30 October 2010 (EDT)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:58, 30 November 2010 (EST)

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 * Delete all. None of the above talk pages have a corresponding image on English Wikivoyage or on shared:. I didn't look at all of them (the list was generated via a SQL query), but for the ones I looked at the corresponding image has generally been deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 02:59, 27 October 2011 (EDT)

Result: Deleted all. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:33, 10 November 2011 (EST)

Orphaned template talk pages

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 * Delete all. None of the above talk pages have a corresponding template - all have been deleted, so the talk pages shouldn't be needed. The only discussions worth keeping were Template talk:QuestionOnYourEdit and I've archived that at Project:Using talk pages and Template talk:Disputed which is now archived at Project:Be fair. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:49, 27 October 2011 (EDT)

Result: Deleted all. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:33, 10 November 2011 (EST)

Wartrol wartrol genital wart relief
Doesn't appear to be a destination.
 * Speedy delete - (WT-en) felix 11:44, 5 November 2011 (EDT)
 * It's not?? Damn, and I was thinking of heading there for Christmas break... —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Texugo (talk • contribs)
 * Does have a certain raw charm to it, maybe we should reconsider and not be so hasty....F —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Felix505 (talk • contribs)

Result: Speedy deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:19, 10 November 2011 (EST)

User:(WT-en) Phentermine

 * Speedy delete - This is a drug, not a destination. -- (WT-en) felix 01:13, 6 November 2011 (EST)
 * We wouldn't expect a user page to be a destination, would we? (WT-en) LtPowers 14:47, 6 November 2011 (EST)
 * If there is a User of Phentermine there it might be for someone... -- (WT-en) felix 14:23, 8 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Speedy deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:19, 10 November 2011 (EST)

User:(WT-en) Firminite309

 * Speedy delete, content only relates to "Learning what causes erectile dysfunction and the ways that you can fight back to enjoy more powerful and long lasting easily achieved erections" --(WT-en) felix 14:19, 8 November 2011 (EST)
 * These spambot-created pages shouldn't need to go on the VFD page unless there is some concern that they will be overlooked; we get about a dozen of these a day, so admins are on the lookout for them. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:32, 8 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Speedy deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:19, 10 November 2011 (EST)

Image:02.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image of a non-notable Quality Inn in Cincinnati, something that is typically discouraged per Image policy. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:01, 29 October 2011 (EDT)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:01, 12 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Alfrito.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image of a recognizable individual.  The image description says "permission has been asked", but since model releases are a gray area and this isn't a particularly good image deletion seems like the right move. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:01, 29 October 2011 (EDT)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:01, 12 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Borneoscapemap.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned map with no source specified.  The (massive) text for the image description also looks suspicious as a potential copyvio. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:01, 29 October 2011 (EDT)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:01, 12 November 2011 (EST)

Image:DSCN3657.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image advertising a non-notable hotel, something that is typically discouraged per Image policy. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:01, 29 October 2011 (EDT)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:01, 12 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Map Baia Mare.gif

 * Delete. Orphaned image and I can't tell what's it's supposed to be. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:01, 29 October 2011 (EDT)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:01, 12 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Safari1.jpg and Image:Safari3.jpg

 * Delete. Both orphaned, and both uploaded as promotional material for a tour company, something that is strongly discouraged. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:01, 29 October 2011 (EDT)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:01, 12 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Superiornorthregion.jpg

 * Delete. Satellite imagery with no source provided, so this is almost certainly a copyvio. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:01, 29 October 2011 (EDT)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:01, 12 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Marsala, Italy map.png

 * Delete. Orphaned map with no source provided, so this is a potential copyvio. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:50, 30 October 2011 (EDT)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:20, 12 November 2011 (EST)

"Sunset mirage" images from Special:Contributions/(WT-en) Ushlavtuman

 * Image:IMG 9172.JPG
 * Image:Mirage 1-9-9.jpg
 * Image:Mirage of Farallon Islands.jpg
 * Image:Sm101608.jpg
 * Image:Sm101708.jpg
 * Image:Sm102308.jpg
 * Image:SM with reflection.jpg
 * Image:Sunset mirage 1.jpg
 * Image:Sunset mirage 1.JPG
 * Image:Sunset mirage 2.jpg
 * Image:Sunset mirage 2.JPG
 * Image:Sunset mirage 3.jpg
 * Image:Sunset mirage 4.jpg
 * Image:Sunset mirage 5.jpg
 * Image:Sunset mitage 6.jpg
 * Image:Sunset mirage 7.jpg
 * Image:Sunset mirage 8.jpg
 * Image:Sunset mirage 10.jpg
 * Image:Sunset mirage 11.jpg
 * Image:Sunset mirage 14.jpg
 * Image:Sunset mirage 22.jpg
 * Image:Sunset mirage comp 1.jpg
 * Image:Sunset mirage comp 2.jpg
 * Image:Sunset mirage IMG 9088.jpg

 * Delete all. These are all images (of varying quality) of the sun setting.  They are all orphaned, and since the subject matter is simply the sun setting I don't see how they would ever be usefully incorporated into Wikivoyage guides - this feels more like someone's personal photo gallery, and that is specifically called out as something not to use Wikivoyage for in Project:Goals and non-goals. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:50, 30 October 2011 (EDT)

Result: Deleted all. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:20, 12 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Makguksu & Barbecue Spicy Chicken.GIF
See for the image, since the ampersand in the title makes viewing difficult. Montage, GIF format, possible copyrighted promotional image, not sure whether it is uploaded here or on Shared. The ampersand in the title prevents me from finding the file page, but the image does exist, as you can see to the right.
 * Delete, but how? (WT-en) texugo 10:39, 31 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Use this link:  (WT-en) LtPowers 20:09, 31 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Delete. Orphaned, and a collage that is of little use for travel purposes.  Note however that being a gif shouldn't cause an image to be deleted, and an image is only required to be on shared: if it was uploaded after the shared site became the preferred repository for images (2008?). -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:17, 31 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Sorry, I couldn't see when it was uploaded because I didn't know how to view the image page. I was just throwing out possible problems with it. I think it being a montage is enough.(WT-en) texugo 22:50, 31 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Hopefully the rumored Mediawiki upgrade will fix the ampersand issue, but in the mean time to view images with ampersands in the name the URL pattern is "http://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?action=action&title=Image:Fun_%26_Games.png" where "action=action" is something like "action=view", "action=delete", "action=history", etc, and "Image:Image_%26_Name.png" is the image name with any ampersands replaced by "%26". -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:30, 31 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Delete. Aside from all other problems, the photo is too small and its resolution too low to be worth keeping. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 00:58, 11 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:11, 14 November 2011 (EST)

Image:P7190087.JPG

 * Delete. Orphaned image.  The current version appears to be corrupt and the previous revision is only a 134x172 thumbnail with a shadow border, so of very limited use. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:45, 4 November 2011 (EDT)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:05, 18 November 2011 (EST)

Khajot Pakistan
Doesn't appear to be a destination.
 * Delete - (WT-en) texugo 09:02, 5 November 2011 (EDT)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:50, 19 November 2011 (EST)

Talk:Tips for blind and visually impaired travellers
Result: Deleted - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 03:34, 26 November 2011 (EST)
 * Delete This talk page is orphaned (its main page is a redirect). I've move any relevant discussion to where it can hopefully be more easily located.  --(WT-en) inas 22:04, 8 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Dark.jpg
Result: Deleted - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 03:34, 26 November 2011 (EST)
 * Delete. Orphaned image of a recognizable individual with no model release provided.  Additionally, the fourth revision is corrupt and generating errors in a spidering script that I run. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:17, 10 November 2011 (EST)
 * Delete - Last call for this chap - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 22:34, 22 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Wiki Pic's 01.JPG
Result: Deleted - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 03:34, 26 November 2011 (EST)
 * Delete. Orphaned duplicate of Image:Balloon01.jpg. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:24, 11 November 2011 (EST)
 * Delete - No need for two - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 22:34, 22 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Zelena voda1.jpg
Result: Deleted - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 03:34, 26 November 2011 (EST)
 * Delete. Orphaned image, and the current version appears to be corrupt.  The previous version is not corrupt, but it's not entirely clear what this image is meant to illustrate so I'm not sure that saving it is worth the effort. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:37, 11 November 2011 (EST)
 * Delete - Of no use - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 22:34, 22 November 2011 (EST)

Image:AF-TN-TK-IskeulNP-LakeMtn.jpg
Result: Deleted - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 03:34, 26 November 2011 (EST)
 * Delete. Orphaned image, and two of the three most recent revisions appear to be corrupt.  The original revision is not corrupt but it does have a prominent copyright notice on it. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:44, 11 November 2011 (EST)

Image:View small.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image and the current version appears to be corrupt.  The previous revision could potentially be salvageable if someone wants to restore it and de-orphan, but otherwise this should be deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:17, 14 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:57, 28 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Murchison Falls Uganda.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image and the current version appears to be corrupt.  The previous revision could potentially be salvageable if someone wants to restore it and de-orphan, but otherwise this should be deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:28, 14 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:57, 28 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Ch-map.png

 * Delete. Orphaned map of China that has been superseded by Image:Map of China.png. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:28, 14 November 2011 (EST)
 * Delete. The other map is much better. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 14:47, 25 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:57, 28 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Wikivoyage - Matunuck.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image that just shows up as a white square in my browser - something got corrupted maybe?  In any case, this seems like a pretty obvious delete. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:36, 14 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:57, 28 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Umag 02.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned duplicate of Image:Umag old town.JPG. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:26, 16 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:44, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Sunset Port Elgin.jpg, Image:Sunset Port-Elgin.jpg, Image:Port Elgin Sunset.jpg and Image:Port elgin-sunset.jpg

 * Delete. These are all orphaned and all copies of Image:Sunset02.jpg. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:26, 16 November 2011 (EST)
 * Delete. One is enough. - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 23:05, 22 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted all. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:44, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Image:A meteor at Hawaii.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image of a meteor in the night sky.  This might be useful for illustration purposes on an astronomy site, but doesn't seem particularly useful for Wikivoyage. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:26, 16 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:44, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Birds Eye View Bedroom.JPG

 * Delete. Orphaned image of a non-notable hotel room, something that is discouraged per Image policy. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:26, 16 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:44, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Crowne CherryHill.jpg

 * Delete. Image of a non-notable hotel room, something that is discouraged per Image policy. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:26, 16 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:44, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Taylor.jpg

 * Delete. Thumbnail of a non-notable hotel room, something that is discouraged per Image policy. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:26, 16 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:44, 30 November 2011 (EST)

"Green flash" images

 * Image:Gf101508.jpg
 * Image:Gf101308.jpg
 * Image:Greenflash101408.jpg
 * Image:Green_flash_9-30-08.jpg

 * Delete all. These are all orphaned, and while they might be good for illustration purposes on a photography web site they don't seem relevant for use on Wikivoyage. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:26, 16 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted all. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:44, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Images from Special:Contributions/(WT-en) Lbschu24

 * Image:Grants2.jpg
 * Image:Grants.jpg
 * Image:West hartford center.jpg
 * Image:Pond house.jpg
 * Image:Corner pug.jpg
 * Image:Blueback Xmas.jpg
 * Image:Cow4.jpg
 * Image:Cow3.jpg
 * Image:Nighttimescene.jpg

 * Delete all. No sources are specified, there are tons of matches on Google image searches for these images, and the variety of image sizes and quality strongly suggests copyvios. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:26, 16 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted all. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:44, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Imagem1.jpg

 * Delete. Collage image with no source specified, so this is a likely copyvio. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:26, 16 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:44, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Close-up-villa.jpg and Image:Pool.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned images of a non-notable hotel, something that is discouraged per Image policy. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:26, 16 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:44, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Superpalmresortbelizeguideq. html m439aa5c1.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image of a non-notable hotel, something that is discouraged per Image policy.  Additionally, the image filename is likely to make baby Jesus cry. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:26, 16 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:44, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Images from Special:Contributions/(WT-en) Guitarpoint

 * Image:House by the sea2.jpg
 * Image:Porch3rdfloor2B.jpg
 * Image:Terrasse.jpg

 * Delete all. These are all orphaned images of non-notable hotels, something that is discouraged per Image policy. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:26, 16 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted all. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:44, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Image:Yardley.png

 * Delete. Orphaned image that appears to have been taken from some sort of mapping software.  There is no source specified, so this is almost certainly a copyvio. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:26, 16 November 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:44, 30 November 2011 (EST)