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User talk:EvanProdromou

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can you refer
to here it's so important and no one seems to care. (WT-en) אוראל 03:41, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

TOC with expandable submenus
Are you willing to share the code for the TOC with expandable submenus (as on this page )?

C# Online.NET Editor

Patiently awaiting your response...

C# Online.NET Editor

Images by User:Catchuec
Hiya Evan. I miss your constant input to the site. Would you please comment on the above topic on VFD. Seems to be a conflict in policy. Once again, to you and the wife. GREAT IDEA on Wikivoyage. Hopefully, it will be around, long after you and I are gone. Best wishes!!! (WT-en) 2old 14:39, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

Vandalism policy?
I don't know about you folks (I'm sending the same message to several), but I for one am getting sick and tired of the intentional vandalism that's going on here. I am trying to start a discussion on Project:Community policies as to whether something more forceful needs to be in place to deal with it. Historically, we have bent far over backwards to avoid punitive action against vandals and have simply gone in and cleaned up the messes they create. However, the frequency of vandalism is growing, and I am not convinced that we are doing Wikivoyage a service by tolerating it. This said, I'm not at all sure what the "right" response is.

I'd appreciate your participation in the discussion on that talk page. Let's see if we can come up with something appropriate. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:40, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

Cross-lingual mediawiki typo
Hi Evan, I hope your anniversary went well!

Would you please take a look at wts:WtTech:Typo_in_recent_changes_message. It is a very simple bug to fix, but it requires sysop-level access across multiple language versions—for some of which you are the sole admin. Fixing it only requires following the mediawiki links on the bug report page and replacing the existing text with:

Below NaN are the last $1 changess in the NaN last $2 dayss, as of $3.

Thanks! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:00, 25 October 2007 (EDT)

Bot
Hi Evan! Would you please take a look at this page. I've been waiting your answer for some months. Can I run my bot? Thanks: (WT-en) Dorgan 06:24, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

wikivoyage : United Kingdom - 9 cities list
Hi there Evan, I have recently added to the discussion on the United Kingdom entry, regarding the 9 cities list ( under "the old city problem" headed "new for 2007" ). I have asked for a consensus on a new proposal to make the 9 cities list more accurately represent the previous consensus which was to base the 9 cities on visitor numbers. So far the majority have been For this change. There appears to be lots of people in support of the proposal. I have messaged some of the other users who were vocal in participation before, however for many of them they have not been active since 2006, which means chances are they will not reply. Also, it is worth noteing that for the current list of 9 cities, there was ever any concensus, and ironically, my recent proposal surpasses what was previously proposed in terms of number of people supporting it. Id therefore like to ask you to contribute to the discussion with a view to alter/amend the list using ur experience. --(WT-en) Daniel robinson 15:12, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

MediaWiki OpenID extension
Hi Evan. I have an issue getting the OpenID extension to work on my local wiki. I want to add proper i18n for it (not that difficult), and I need to know if things still work as expected after my code changes :)

Setup (following ./README in the extension directory):
 * OS: Windows Xp with Wampserver
 * Application server:
 * PHP: 5.2.3 (openssl extension added)
 * MySQL: 5.0.41-community
 * MediaWiki: 1.12alpha (r27750) (SVN head)
 * OpenID: SVN (no other extensions installed)
 * ran sql script
 * LocalSettings.php: require_once("$IP/extensions/OpenID/OpenID.php"); (at the bottom)
 * php-openid-2.0.0-rc5 (installed in D:\mediawiki\phase3\extensions\OpenID\)
 * php.ini: include_path = ".;c:\php\includes;D:\mediawiki\phase3\extensions\OpenID" (had to add the second path to make Special:OpenIDLogin display.

Now I get this error after I fill in an OpenID URL in Special:OpenIDLogin and submit it: Fatal error: Define Auth_OpenID_RAND_SOURCE as null to continue with an insecure random number generator. in D:\mediawiki\phase3\extensions\OpenID\Auth\OpenID\CryptUtil.php on line 52

I am not an experienced programmer; more like a monkey that learned a small PHP trick ;). I hope you can help with it. Please drop me a line on my Betawiki talk page. Cheers! (WT-en) siebrand 17:50, 22 November 2007 (EST)

Bandarban
You wrote, "The "List of Unions" needs to be broken down into regions/cities like other Wikivoyage guides." I am interested to comply. Could you please guide me to a couple of appropriate examples (I have checked a few, but those models would be impossible to be replicated on this article)? You can reply to the artcile talk page, so that other editors get to use the examples as well. Cheers. (WT-en) Aditya Kabir 11:51, 2 December 2007 (EST)

Maps
hi, thankyou for everything you've done on wikivoyage, it really is brilliant, have used it on my (financially) limited travels many times and edited it to improve the service. Anyway, I've been doing a lot of work on the East Sussex page, and was wondering if you could put me in contact with anyone who wouldn't mind making a map for the area? I've had a go myself but other than looking like a strange post modernist painting I've not come up with much... although the help file on how to make a map was useful... just my skills that aren't. thanks in advance --(WT-en) Prof Jack 20:32, 8 December 2007 (EST)

Geographic Co-ordinates
Evan - has WT settled on a standard way to collect and display geographic co-ordinates? There has been some discussion at OpenStreetMap.org about enabling OSM users to link their map data with WikiTravel pages. WP seem to be using Template:Coord and at Yellowikis we haven't got much further than using a simple tag - any thoughts? --(WT-en) Payo 08:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)

 * Hi Payo, I'm not sure if Evan is checking this page anymore. You might want to have a look at Project:How to draw a map and perhaps raise your questions there; there is considerable interest here in cooperation between Wikivoyage and OpenStreetMap. Sorry I can't personally be of more help in answering your question. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:30, 15 December 2007 (EST)

SH
Hi, i would like to ask for your permission to make the phrase books into mobile readable edition. I have emailed you the detailed information. Thanks.

Can we enable $wgAllowUserCss = true;
Could you add $wgAllowUserCss = true; to the main LocalSettings.php file? This setting allows users to create their own CSS files and customise the experience a little. Personally I prefer the body text to be 125% so that's how I use it. Cheers - (WT-en) chmac 01:35, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Evan i have a complaint they keep vfding my articles outlines or deleting them like cjensen and 203 ip user along with oldpine and many others read this Make outlines. Don't be daunted by the task of writing all of the article about Russia -- just get it started with an outline. People are much more likely to change or add to articles than to start them from scratch. We have a bunch of handy templates for destination guides, which you can use. If you only know a teensy bit about a subject, go ahead and add it in. We currently have a huge backlog of stub articles that shouldn't really be there. It is easy to create an outline for most articles and move them to the next level. You can help there. it tells ya right there from now on i will make outlines and people can add on if they want k peace --72.87.57.201 13:16, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Great site
Hey Even,

I really like wikivoyage. I am working on a similar site, on a different subject. I was just curious if you'd be willing to give me some pointers like how to add blogs and the voting thing and such. Thanks in advance! | Michael

A Question of concern
Evan look ip number for lone.guner can u tell me how long i'am banned for? anyway how are ya i'am fairly new and i love wikivoyage and wikimedia so i make outlines in my spare time look at ip numbers 203 58 and so on they don't like me here creating stubs or isin w/p/ or outlines i need your help to convince them that i'am not a troll i'am a human being like everyone on this earth thanks --(WT-en) Lone.guner 17:54, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Buenos Aires
Hi Evan. We'll do a meetup of Wikipedians in Buenos Aires next February 9th. If you want to come, give me a msg at my talk page in Wikipedia or contact me in IRC. Regards, (WT-en) Loco085 10:20, 2 February 2008 (EST)

http://wikivoyage.org/eo
I notice you are the only sysop listed for this language version. The place is currently a spam heaven, can it be killed off if it is not actually going to be used? --(WT-en) Nick 15:31, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Form extension patches
Hi Evan,

I emailed you a series of patches for your Form extension recently. I just wanted to make sure you saw these. I can go ahead and commit them to SVN if you'd like. Please let me know one way or the other. You can reach me at davemccabe@gmail.com or on my talk page on Wikipedia,.

Yr. Obt. Svt., (WT-en) DavidMcCabe 17:54, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Hats Off
Evan. Thanks for contributing to a great project. wikivoyage is gaining steam. Your choice to remove ALL external links seems to have resolved the issue of "intentional vandalism". Citing sources of information is more journalistic in nature and will continue to enhance wikivoyage as a credible travel source.

Suggestion
Please pass this to anyone who may be more appropriate. In using & contributing to pages for several locations, have often wished there was major section specifically for (links to) photos and maps. Would help everyone focus there when trying to visualize a location, with opportunity to insert or use many more sources. Section need not be at expense of photos/maps scattered throughout current articles. Regards,         john henne                     cocood@aol.com

Helsinki
Evan, the Helsinki article seems to have problems. I received the following error message Warning: gzinflate [function.gzinflate]: buffer error in /var/www/wikivoyage/mw-1.11.2/includes/Revision.php on line 595

Regards, (WT-en) Jc8136 09:04, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Separating interwiki & interlanguage
Hey Evan! On Project:19_January_2006, you wrote:
 * I've separated the "other sites" interwiki links from interlanguage links.

May I ask, how you did that? This feature is pretty cool, but I can't find it anywhere in mediawiki. Have you written it yourself? --MrTweek (85.180.66.100 15:49, 25 August 2008 (EDT))

Collapsible TOC Sub-List
Hello. I've been researching a way to make collapsible table of content sub-list with mediawiki. Can you possibly give me some help figuring this out, such as the code you used or a quick tutorial?

I noticed somebody else was looking for the same information in an early post on your talk page. It might be beneficial to the mediawiki community to make a tutorial available for this modification or an extension.

Thanks. (WT-en) Philbar 00:16, 15 November 2008 (EST)

Rogue Bureaucrat
I would like to address some ongoing issues with a particular bureaucrat and one of his admins. The general idea is he follows me around and basically harasses me whenever I make an edit to one of his pages. He seems to need the last word on all the edits. I'm finding this a little perplexing since I thought it was understood that edits can be made and that factual information matter. Frankly, I think it's getting a little personal and the boundaries of fairness and good sense are being breached. I've written the details in a letter I have sent to your Wiki email since I thought it would be too much for this talk page. I am a travel writer and enjoyed working on this site very much initially. However it's become a demoralizing and draining experience lately. It's unfortunate and would hope to return to my original opinion on the task. Thanx(WT-en) Paula 20:02, 22 January 2009 (EST)

wikivoyage
how you open romanian language version later archived?

(WT-en) Hasan travel 11:51, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

Wikivoyage Content on Tripping.com
Hi Evan and Michele,

Wikivoyage is fantastic - not only for the travel information it offers, but for the community that has been built up around it. We are also building a community for travelers (www.tripping.com) and so perhaps there are some ways that we could work together.

I'll get in touch directly, but just wanted to send a quick note via your talk page. I'm looking forward to speaking with you and thanks again for all of the time, energy and dedication you have put into Wikivoyage!

Jen O'Neal and the Tripping Team

I've screwed up my Open ID and Regular user account merge
Ok...I can't read and follow instructions, I logged in with my OpenID and created a new account, this is not what I wanted to do. I currently have an account that I want to link to my OpenID. Can you please help me merge both accounts?

This one Crazy.ratz with Redbear

Thanks (WT-en) crazy.ratz 12:57, 17 September 2009 (EDT)

...you may now return to your regularly scheduled programming...

Admin rights
Dear Evan,

I am Rokas from Lithuania. I have got experience in Wiki projects. Can you give me admin rights for Lithuanian Wikivoyage? (WT-en) Keliauninkas 11:53, 29 November 2009 (EST)

And can you block my clone Rokaszil? (WT-en) Keliauninkas 12:01, 29 November 2009 (EST)

I am Žiedas from Lithuania. I have got experience in Wiki projects. Can you give me admin rights for Lithuanian Wikivoyage? Thank you. --(WT-en) Žiedas 13:02, 29 November 2009 (EST)

 * Please see wts:Language Expeditions --(WT-en) Peter Talk 11:15, 30 November 2009 (EST)

Lithuanian Wikivoyage
Hello, can you open Lithuanian Wikivoyage? (WT-en) Keliauninkas 10:55, 1 December 2009 (EST)

 * Please see wts:Language Expeditions --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 11:23, 1 December 2009 (EST)

email
Hello Evan,

We have had no previous contact and I know this is not the way things are normally done, but I would like the request I made off the record. Apologies for my unorthodox behavior. I am hoping you will exectute my request. If not, will you please explain why to me at the email address specified? Thanks in advance, --(WT-en) Faust 07:08, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

Evopedia Offline Reader
We are doing our 2012 wikipedia dump conversion, this year I would also like to have wikivoyage available, I would like access to a SQL database dump so we could make a nice cleanly formatted and up to date searchable database for Evopedia a free open source wikimedia reader and browser app for Linux computers, tablets, and smart phones. http://evopedia.info/ http://dumpathome.evopedia.info/dumps/finished/en  I have found a 2010 unofficial dump we can try to use but it is obviously two years out of date and lacks formatting for proper display of pictures which Evopedia supports when Internet is available.(WT-en) Biketool 06:24, 24 January 2012 (EST)

Welcome
Welcome to the new site! I didn't transfer your talk archives, because my find&replace extension isn't working (and there are a lot of them!), so I'll leave that to you.

Please take a look at Meta:Wikivoyage/Launch press release, since you're good at writing that type of thing. There is also some interest on the talk page in a statement or two from you and Maj regarding the launch, as they are looking for a few quotes from various founders, WMF reps, etc. --Peter Talk 17:38, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

 * Ack, all your subpages for some reason got deleted, rather than moved. As you have admin privileges, you can restore and move them. So could I, but I'm busy ;) --Peter Talk 17:58, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

 * Sub-pages were moved - the migration process moves "User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Sep 2004" to User talk:EvanProdromou/Sep 2004 but does not leave a redirect, so any links to a "(WT-en) Evan" page will need to be updated. -- Ryan • (talk) • 18:31, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

 * Thanks! I've been slow to jump in but I'll see if we can help out. --EvanProdromou (talk) 18:44, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Evan
I thought when I was moving it I had come up with a 'Derwent Valley already exists' - which is why I created the derwent valley tasmania Thanks for that, the Tasmanian material is hardly awe inspiring - and as I had created regions of tasmania on wp en - I was hopng tio improve the quality of what see as geographically challenged info... but in the politest manner of course :) - cheers sats (talk) 03:53, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Now I get it - an IP hard created Derwent Valley and Central Highlands over and above the existing Derwent Valley... dumb me - thanks for the help sats (talk) 03:56, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

 * thanks for the link as well - looks good sats (talk) 03:57, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Exciting times
Here's to the future of Wikivoyage. Hex (talk) 16:17, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Hear, hear. --EvanProdromou (talk) 17:34, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Forced user renames coming soon for SUL
Hi, sorry for writing in English. I'm writing to ask you, as a bureaucrat of this wiki, to [//meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Single+User+Login+finalisation+announcement%2FPersonal+announcement&filter=&action=page translate and review the notification] that will be sent to all users, also on this wiki, who will be forced to change their user name on May 27 and will probably need your help with renames. You may also want to help with the pages Rename practices and Global rename policy. Thank you, Nemo 13:08, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

district titles
One question about the rule you inserted long time ago (see here).

I was curios about the reason behind choice. Why to use this syntax instead of the classic wiki one (e.g. district (city)) or a more verbose one (e.g. "district of city" or similar...) that is longer but it could be used directly in the wikilink instead of applying a label all the time? Let me know, -- Andyrom75 (talk) 22:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Promoting WV discussion
Any comment here? Travellers'_pub? Pashley (talk) 03:09, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Lol. Have you clicked his Contributions over the last 6 years? He's about as much of a Wikivoyageur as ibobi. He abandoned this project as soon as his check cleared from Internet Brands. SpendrupsForAll (talk) 18:53, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * What's so funny about this User:SpendrupsForAll? You can't compare Evan with IB admins. Evan was the founder of this brilliant idea where we stand today and in my opinion, is a great Wikivoyager and I think his opinion will always have a weight no matter he's active or not. --Saqib (talk) 19:18, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's very nice! --EvanProdromou (talk) 03:26, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't have a lot to say, haven't followed the conversation. --EvanProdromou (talk) 03:26, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

An important message about renaming users
Dear EvanProdromou,

I am cross-posting this message to many places to make sure everyone who is a Wikimedia Foundation project bureaucrat receives a copy. If you are a bureaucrat on more than one wiki, you will receive this message on each wiki where you are a bureaucrat.

As you may have seen, work to perform the Wikimedia cluster-wide single-user login finalisation (SUL finalisation) is taking place. This may potentially effect your work as a local bureaucrat, so please read this message carefully.

Why is this happening? As currently stated at the global rename policy, a global account is a name linked to a single user across all Wikimedia wikis, with local accounts unified into a global collection. Previously, the only way to rename a unified user was to individually rename every local account. This was an extremely difficult and time-consuming task, both for stewards and for the users who had to initiate discussions with local bureaucrats (who perform local renames to date) on every wiki with available bureaucrats. The process took a very long time, since it's difficult to coordinate crosswiki renames among the projects and bureaucrats involved in individual projects.

The SUL finalisation will be taking place in stages, and one of the first stages will be to turn off Special:RenameUser locally. This needs to be done as soon as possible, on advice and input from Stewards and engineers for the project, so that no more accounts that are unified globally are broken by a local rename to usurp the global account name. Once this is done, the process of global name unification can begin. The date that has been chosen to turn off local renaming and shift over to entirely global renaming is 15 September 2014, or three weeks time from now. In place of local renames is a new tool, hosted on Meta, that allows for global renames on all wikis where the name is not registered will be deployed.

Your help is greatly needed during this process and going forward in the future if, as a bureaucrat, renaming users is something that you do or have an interest in participating in. The Wikimedia Stewards have set up, and are in charge of, a new community usergroup on Meta in order to share knowledge and work together on renaming accounts globally, called Global renamers. Stewards are in the process of creating documentation to help global renamers to get used to and learn more about global accounts and tools and Meta in general as well as the application format. As transparency is a valuable thing in our movement, the Stewards would like to have at least a brief public application period. If you are an experienced renamer as a local bureaucrat, the process of becoming a part of this group could take as little as 24 hours to complete. You, as a bureaucrat, should be able to apply for the global renamer right on Meta by the requests for global permissions page on 1 September, a week from now.

In the meantime please update your local page where users request renames to reflect this move to global renaming, and if there is a rename request and the user has edited more than one wiki with the name, please send them to the request page for a global rename.

Stewards greatly appreciate the trust local communities have in you and want to make this transition as easy as possible so that the two groups can start working together to ensure everyone has a unique login identity across Wikimedia projects. Completing this project will allow for long-desired universal tools like a global watchlist, global notifications and many, many more features to make work easier.

If you have any questions, comments or concerns about the SUL finalisation, read over the Help:Unified login page on Meta and leave a note on the talk page there, or on the talk page for global renamers. You can also contact me on my talk page on meta if you would like. I'm working as a bridge between Wikimedia Foundation Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Stewards, and you to assure that SUL finalisation goes as smoothly as possible; this is a community-driven process and I encourage you to work with the Stewards for our communities.

Thank you for your time. -- Keegan (WMF) talk 18:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

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Should hardware stores be listed?

 * Talk:Orchard Park - Your comments on including or excluding hardware stores would be greatly appreciated. BuffaloBob (talk) 00:18, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

, ?
Hello! Sorry for writing in English. As you're an administrator here, please check the message I left on MediaWiki talk:Licenses and the village pump. Thanks, Nemo 19:23, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Old Wikitravel account name (and email/password)
Hey Evan!

Sorry to bother you, but you are one from very few names I remember from the "old" times. Back in Wikitravel time (and before it was bought by the company) I used to do some edits there (and very few on pl:Wikitravel) under the JanSlupski name. Rigth now I just got some messages about Wikimedia account merging event, and thought it would be nice if my Wikitravel->Wikivoyage edits/account were merged as well. Unfortunately it was not on the merge list, and after some digging I found out that it was renamed to User:(WT-en) JanSlupski. Moreiover I cannot login to it nor recover the password (no email address message or so). Is there any chance to rename this account to just "JanSlupski" and recover the password? I hope I would be able to merge it with "global" "JanSlupski" then.

Thanks, and all the best,

Jan

20:52, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome back Jan! Do you still use the e-mail address you specified on your userpage; "jslupski@juljas.net" ? Ryan: Would you be able to merge the accounts if Jan can confirm that he's the same person by sending an e-mail from the given email address to you? --Saqib (talk) 21:13, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

 * Yes, the email is valid and got your message there. But it doesn't seem to work in recover password dialog. I just wrote to Ryan, hope he can help. Thanks for your response Saqib

 * Hey, that worked out well! --EvanProdromou (talk) 15:20, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

New job at Wikimedia Foundation
As of December 3, 2018, I work as product manager for the next-generation API for Wikimedia Foundation projects.

My job at WMF is to build a great API that makes it easy for third-party developers to make apps and web sites that use information from Wikipedia, Wikivoyage, and all the other WMF sites. I'm especially interested in encouraging developers to add editing capabilities to their tools so that their users are first-class participants in our collaborative projects.

What does this mean for Wikivoyage? I'm not sure. My work at the WMF doesn't focus on Wikivoyage. But my hope is that the work I do will help more contributors to participate and share their knowledge here. I especially hope that I can help those apps that use WV data dumps to show static content to change to a more read-write model. ---EvanProdromou (talk) 21:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Congratulations! -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:17, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Are we able to do a traceback on which sites or apps use WV data dumps? Then we have a better idea why they are using our data. OhanaUnitedTalk page 07:33, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

 * Would it be practical to use Git or some other version control system (maybe even a purpose-built one?) to drive a wiki? That would let mirror sites use Git operations to stay up to date & instead of the current sandboxes in user space, one could have one's own tree for experiments.
 * It might also allow better filtering of random contributions, newbie mistakes, spam and/or vandalism before they appear in main space. That is really tricky, though. Citizendium was a mostly well-intentioned project trying to do something like that, but it failed miserably by getting some of the mechanisms wrong. Pashley (talk) 11:36, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

 * That's great! Congratulations, Evan! Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:09, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

 * Congrats, Evan. I hope that your work on APIs will allow app makers to better access Wikivoyage data. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:40, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

 * Congratulations --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 22:14, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

 * Congratulations! The best data that Wikivoyage can offer third-party developers, besides the travel guide itself, might be the listings. A Russian Wikivoyager and I are maintaining this CSV database of Wikivoyage listings, feel free to have a look. There is even a API to query it, but I am sure you could do better if worth the hassle. My personal opinion is that all of this data should go into Wikidata, but I don't see that happening within 10 years, even if everyone shared my opinion, which is not the case :-) Cheers! Syced (talk) 07:21, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

How we will see unregistered users
Hi!

You get this message because you are an admin on a Wikimedia wiki.

When someone edits a Wikimedia wiki without being logged in today, we show their IP address. As you may already know, we will not be able to do this in the future. This is a decision by the Wikimedia Foundation Legal department, because norms and regulations for privacy online have changed.

Instead of the IP we will show a masked identity. You as an admin will still be able to access the IP. There will also be a new user right for those who need to see the full IPs of unregistered users to fight vandalism, harassment and spam without being admins. Patrollers will also see part of the IP even without this user right. We are also working on better tools to help.

If you have not seen it before, you can read more on Meta. If you want to make sure you don’t miss technical changes on the Wikimedia wikis, you can subscribe to the weekly technical newsletter.

We have two suggested ways this identity could work. We would appreciate your feedback on which way you think would work best for you and your wiki, now and in the future. You can let us know on the talk page. You can write in your language. The suggestions were posted in October and we will decide after 17 January.

Thank you. /Johan (WMF)

18:14, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Administrator status (Official Notice)
Thanks for your service as a Wikivoyage administrator. As you may be aware, our Administrators policy indicates that administrators who have not edited on the English Wikivoyage in over two years should have their administrator flags removed. This is for account security purposes, not a reflection of a loss of trust or any disappointment.

As such, we will be removing your administrator flag on February 16, 2022. Should you wish to retain your status, simply come on back and make an edit! That resets the clock. And if you ever decide to return to Wikivoyage as an active editor, your administrator flag can be restored by request.

If you have any questions or concerns, let me know.

Your removal is along with several other admins as discussed here.

-- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:12, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the reminder! I'm going to add some content today. ---EvanProdromou (talk) 15:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

New bureaucrat inactivity policy
--SHB2000 (talk) 06:52, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! EvanProdromou (talk) 00:14, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Bureaucrat status (official notice)
Thanks for your service as a Wikivoyage bureaucrat. As you may be aware, our bureaucrats policy indicates that bureaucrats who have not edited the English Wikivoyage or made at least one admin or bureaucrat action in over 12 months should have their bureaucrat flags removed. This is for account security purposes, not a reflection of a loss of trust or any disappointment.

This is currently being discussed at Wikivoyage talk:Bureaucrats. All comments are more than welcome.

--MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:44, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Bureaucrat status (official notice)
Thanks for your service as a Wikivoyage bureaucrat. As you may be aware, our bureaucrats policy indicates that bureaucrats who have not edited the English Wikivoyage or made at least one admin/bureaucrat action in over 12 months should have their bureaucrat flags removed. This is for account security purposes, not a reflection of a loss of trust or disappointment.

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User talk:EvanProdromou/Apr 2004

Pittsburgh
I added some stuff on Getting There. Have no problem with getting the style edited as I confess I don't yet understand your standards very well.

One instance is external references: I've seen them listed separately at the end and I've seen them in the body of an article, which to me seems to make the most sense as otherwise they may never be used.

Another: is it traditional to put comments or querries like this one at the beginning or at the end?

Appreciate your feedback.

 * Mr. Goetsch -- I appreciate your hard work on Pittsburgh. Our layout standards are pretty straightforward, but you don't have to worry about them if you don't want to. There are plenty of people who spend time combing the site re-formatting great info from other people. That's why Project:WikiWiki's so great: we can all work together to make the guides.

 * That said, the manual of style is a good place to see what some of our formatting guidelines are. Nothing there is set in stone; you can edit any of those pages if you think the guidelines are wrong. (They might get edited back, though!)

 * Project:External links should usually be as close to the discussion as possible. So, say, a restaurant's Web site URL should be in its listing, not way down at the end of the article. We usually put external links about the city, country, or region as a whole at the end of the article.

 * We normally don't put messages into the articles themselves, but instead discuss the article on the associated talk pages. You can go to the talk page for an article by hitting the "Discuss this page" link. For example, the talk page for Pittsburgh is at Talk:Pittsburgh.

 * You might also want to look at tips for new contributors, which has some basic info.

 * Thanks again for your work and help! --(WT-en) Evan 13:13, 26 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Evan. Thanks for your help. I would appreciate your comments on this observation: When I started fooling around with WikiTravel I did so after some small experience with WikiPedia, and I supposed this was pretty much the same, only about travel. Now, as I do more on travel I am beginning to see a significant difference between the two: encyclopedic information is more static while travel information is more dynamic, leading me to want to use more and more external links and keep the text more terse. For example, a dynamic link to Greyhound Bus in a particular city is more valuable to a reader than simply giving the address of the bus station and a telephone number; current bus schedules can be accessed, telephone numbers can change and for that matter bus stations themselves can change. Same for cultural events: obviously it is useful to say where they do occur, but a well chosen external link may also offer the reader a schedule of current events and other matters of interest such as parking. In short, there is much more, and richer, information out there on the web than it would pay for us to duplicate in detail. I am coming to see WikiTravel as an informed source of pointers to useful web information, in a similar way to the manner in which some weblogs are basically pointers to, say, political articles, with a certain amount of commentary added. Of course this overstates my case somewhat, and external links can get broken as well.

 * It would be useful to me if you would review Pittsburgh/Downtown which I added today and tell me what you think of it.

cookies for log in
I think I finally figured out the subtle difference between If I start at "http://wikivoyage.org/", I get the angry red message. If I start at "http://www.wikivoyage.org/", I can log in just fine. My "cookies" preferences has nothing to do with it. (I'm using Mozilla 1.7b; session cookies turned on). -- (WT-en) DavidCary 14:37, 2 Apr 2004 (EST)
 * some times I can log in just fine, while
 * other times I get an angry red "you must turn cookies on" message.

Romanian
Please upgrade the scipt at LanguageRo.php. It stays there since december, but you mixed the content with the wikipedia translation. We have currently problems with the translation, some parts are wrote in english, and we don't have some extra-functions we builded there. An example is the diacritical bar, like the special chars: "Ajutor de editare, caractere speciale: ă â î ş ţ Ă Â Î Ş Ţ", that is ready to go on the scipt at LanguageRo.php.

Then again, I think my IP is banned on the french wikivoyage, see IP 193.230.240.14 and 213.164.241.16. --(WT-ro) Danutz

 * I don't see any IP bans on the French Wikivoyage. Are you having problems making changes there?

 * Are you saying that the LanguageRo.php article here is the one to use? I've been merging in new versions from Wikipedia as the software continues to upgrade. --(WT-en) Evan 16:34, 3 Apr 2004 (EST)

 * When I go to www.wikivoyage.org/fr, I see a blank page.

 * Then, LanguageRo.php is the best version. The newest version of Wikipedia translation is available at http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia/phase3/languages/LanguageRo.php and not at meta.wikipedia.org. However, I finally upgraded the file at LanguageRo.php to the new software items, so you should use that for Locale. --(WT-ro) Danutz

 * OK, so, what if you hit http://www.fr.wikivoyage.org/wiki/article/Accueil ? It might just be a rewrite problem.

 * As for the language file: I'm on it. --(WT-en) Evan 14:29, 4 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * French Wikivoyage: No, no. It doesn't work that way nieder, I tried even going for example to http://www.fr.wikivoyage.org/wiki/article/Paris, but id does not work, it shows always the same blank page. Could it be maybe something from my Internet provider, should I talk to them?--(WT-ro) Danutz

 * Hi, I saw that again, the Romanian Wikiktravel mentions GNU FDL as his license. Still, Atribution ShareAlike is used as a license on LanguageRo.php. Why didn't you use LanguageRo for interface?.

 * Anyway, the text of the license in romanian would be

 * Ajutor de editare, caractere speciale: ă â î ş ţ Ă Â Î Ş Ţ Reţineţi că toate contribuţiile la Wikivoyage sunt considerate ca respectând licenţa Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0 de la Creative Commons.

(vezi $1 pentru detalii).

 * --(WT-ro) Danutz

 * P.S. Why does the Namespace not work? I noticed that on ro and on fr too. See for example Cairo on ro: and Royaume-Uni on fr:. Still it does work in english (see Granada (city)).

Local Names
Evan - thanks for the comments on my Talk page. Sorry if I've been going about things a bit the wrong way in some cases, I'm still getting used to the system here...

In terms of the local naming conventions - with Spain, I have been keeping to the Anglicised versions but retaining any accents, so "Málaga" rather than "Malaga". Will people really misunderstand this? Especially if they navigate down through sub-menus rather than a straight search? And this way might educate people a little on the country they are visiting - nothing marks you out as ignorant more than getting something so simple as the name of the place you are visiting wrong. At the very least it might be necessary to have two pages, one with and one without the accent(s), with a "redirect" in place - I for one would search for "Málaga", and would therefore, with the correct spelling, not find the correct page. What do you think? If you disagree, I'll obviously set about changing it back. sjc196 10:16 6 Apr 2004 (GMT)

Style
Hey Evan, I started contributing to Wiki Travel about a week ago and I'm starting to wonder about 'style'. It's starting to seem to me that things I write are taken apart to take any style out of them. I can understand the need for a consistent look to the whole thing, but I don't see why opinions are replaced by lists. Just as an example - Matsushima is said to be one of the three most beautiful sights in Japan - I mean this is official and it's been like that for a long time. The fact is though that there are plenty more places in Japan that I'd rank higher. I wanted to say something along those lines but this was deleted and so we were left with the same thing that you would read anywhere. Similarly with bars and restaurants - I wanted to say that certain places were great, but this was replaced by a list that said nothing really. I'm not trying to own the article or anything like that - I do understand what you're trying to do here - I'm just wondering if it has to be so... sterile? CHEERS, cheers

 * Cheers: Let me start by saying that I really appreciate your work on Wikivoyage. You've made a lot of great contributions. Much kudos!

 * I definitely understand where you're coming from, and I understand that it can be frustrating. There are a few reasons that this happens, and there are a few things you can do about it.

 * First, a collaborative writing medium like wiki tends to make work evolve towards consensus opinion. It's part of the way the medium works; people tend to be reactive about what they read, and work more on corrections than on additions. With lots of hands in the pot, we gradually get articles that nobody objects to.

 * Second, we have a formal policy of having a neutral point of view. So that tendency of wiki is enshrined in policy, too.

 * Third, like you mentioned, our manual of style is optimized for having easy-to-read guides in a format that makes it easy to find info. We tend to lean on list formatting to make it easy to see what's available in a city. The list format kind of encodes information in a terse way, which in some sense takes some personality out of the guides. For example, a sentence like this:

 * Visitors to Capital City feeling pangs of hunger may want to stop in to a really great restaurant called Joe's Cafe.

 * ...will usually get boiled down to something like this:

 * Joe's Cafe.

 * ...or sometimes:

 * Joe's Cafe. Really great.

 * The two formats -- prose sentence and list entry -- really say the same thing: that there's a restaurant named Joe's Cafe. The second lacks any substantial info, but if you think about it, so does the first.

 * The problem here is that we trade off efficiency and utility for expressiveness, so things look kind of sterile.

 * You can think of this in two ways: either as an impediment, or as an opportunity. The opportunity is that instead of putting all your time into figuring out ways to say There is a restaurant here, you get to concentrate on writing about concrete, interesting, and unique aspects of restaurants, bars, attractions, cities, and regions. Taking our Joe's Cafe example, you can cut straight to the chase:

 * Joe's Cafe, 418 D Street (near 4th), 555-1234. 6AM-2AM every day. This 50s-style diner has a bright, clean counter and big, comfortable booths. The waitresses are friendly, the food is excellent but heavy, and the coffee can't be beat. It's popular with a business crowd during the day, and clubbers from nearby 4th Street bars at night, but seats are plentiful and service is quick. The homemade milkshakes are worth the trip alone. $10-15 (dinner). http://joescafe.example.com/

 * In other words, we abbreviate the stuff that can be abbreviated, like addresses, phone numbers, opening hours, prices, leaving us more room to deal with really concrete stuff that makes a place worth thinking about.

 * Anyways, that's the way I think about it. I think there's a lot of place for interesting writing on Wikivoyage. By doing away with lots of connecting sentences ("Another place you may be interested in when visiting Capital City...") and introductory clauses ("You can call Joe's Cafe on the telephone at 555-1234"), we get clearer, crisper writing, with more personality, not less.

 * Does that make sense? --(WT-en) Evan 17:21, 7 Apr 2004 (EDT)

RO Upgrade went OK
Hi - the MediaWiki upgrade went fine on the Romanian Wikivoyage - the results can be seen! Yes, you can use the LanguageRo.php file to make changes. Sorry that I haven't been on Wikivoyage very frequently recently, but I've had a lot of work. I'll be back very soon, with a fresh load of articles in Romanian ;-) (WT-en) Ronline 10:45, 8 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Looks fine on French too. So far I just worked on the Polish phrasebook and a few other things. -(WT-en) phma 23:04, 8 Apr 2004 (EDT)

More Style
Evan, Thanks for the reply. I understand most of what you're saying, but the fact is that there is no such thing as a neutral point of view and what's the point of a guide book with no opinions anyway? In your 'Joe's Cafe' example show that it's OK to say something's really great (maybe) but surely that's an opinion - not a neutral point of view. I understand how the third example could be better than the first, but I think reducing it to the second one, ie. 'Joe's Cafe', is pointless. I like your final example for Joe's Cafe - it's very informative - but at the same time it's not neutral. I don't want to sound too pedantic here and I'm sorry if it comes across that way. I still think Wikivoyage is a great idea and I want to help as much as I can. (Unfortunately, I don't have time to travel myself so I'm a bit limited as to what I can contribute). Cheers again, Cheers

BBC News Online
Hey Evan - cool write-up on BBC News Online! That'll probably bring in quite a few contributors. I never actually heard anything from Danny O'Brien about the Sunday Times, do you know if they featured the site in the end?

Am just back from Japan - and will get some contributions made to the site once I've settled back into work... The information on Wikivoyage about transportation in Tokyo is absolutely first-rate, and covers a lot of things that would otherwise have taken ages to figure out - like the fact that two separate companies operate Tokyo's subway network, for example. - (WT-en) MykReeve 15:36, 12 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Oh man has it ever brought new contributors. Seems like they're all ip addresses.  Most of them seem to be adding good stuff (or at least trying to), but there's a higher than normal rate of junk.  -- (WT-en) Colin 18:25, 12 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Well, that's just the price of popularity. I liked the write-up on the BBC, although we had no advance notice (and obviously we weren't contacted for the article). I guess we need to put a big PRESS CLICK HERE link somewhere. I don't know if I like having Lonely Planet be the only quoted source in a Wikivoyage article.

 * ANYWAYS, great to have you back, Myk. I hope Japan was fun, and I'm as usual thrilled to hear that the info on Wikivoyage was useful. Also, Colin, nice job holding down the fort in the face of a new-user onslaught! I think there's been a lot of great knowledge sharing, but it's hard to integrate people into our community all at once. --(WT-en) Evan 00:54, 13 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * When I read "PRESS CLICK HERE" I thought that I should press the click button. Anyways, I parse English badly.  -- (WT-en) Edgy 7:40, 13 Apr 2004 (PDT)

Earth
Smart move. -- (WT-en) Nils 13:29, 14 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Urmom
Didn't get that until your comment... In my defense... I am not a native speaker. Still feel stupid now. :P Thanks. :-) -- (WT-en) Nils 13:43, 14 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Newcastle disambig
Hey, check out Talk:England. -- (WT-en) Mark 14:49, 14 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Yeah, I saw that. I'm trying to figure out where the heck Newcastle, England is so I can make the right disambiguator. I don't think Newcastle-on-Tyne is the right name; I think "Newcastle" is by far the more common English name for this place. --(WT-en) Evan 14:55, 14 Apr 2004 (EDT)

It's in the middle northeast, sort of across from Ijmuden. I think the english do call it by the longer name, I dunno about the rest of us. -- (WT-en) Mark 15:17, 14 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Usually Newcastle is 'Newcastle' - although there are more Newcastles in Britain - for example, there's Newcastle-under-Lyme in the West Midlands (near Stoke-on-Trent). Having said that, it would probably be helpful for you to call Newcastle 'Newcastle-on-Tyne' and it wouldn't be a problem to us Brits. It would be - as you say - a 'disambiguator'. (WT-en) Cheers

OK. We have some rules about disambiguation (see Project:article naming conventions), but maybe Newcastle-on-Tyne is the best name, here. --(WT-en) Evan 16:04, 14 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Newcastle-upon-Tyne would be better than Newcastle-on-Tyne. (WT-en) Professorbiscuit

Salvador Clean-up
Evan, Thanks for the Salvador post-sweep restoration. I know my wholesale revision was made "with extreme prejudice", but I was intending to at least put the generic warnings back in. Placing the QE2 note in "Get in" was brilliant; I'm sure it will be very useful info for many many travelers... :)

I touched on the subject in my Salvador comment, but the initial entry simply looked bad, and I didn't want its presence to encourage others to add more of the same, thinking that sort of content was acceptable. With the recent influx of new contributors, I think we need to mantain a decent signal-noise ratio. -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 20:49, 14 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Absolutely. It's like they say about how you have to FixBrokenWindows. If you leave articles that don't work right around, pretty soon things get all messed up everywhere.

 * It's a tough balancing act, though, especially when you're talking about somebody's personal experiences. We want people to get involved, and yet we want them to do it right.

 * It's been hard over the last few days, but I think everybody's done an excellent job. I'm amazed at the great job, and once again feel really grateful for the people who make this project happen. --(WT-en) Evan 23:50, 14 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Wiki User Identity
I saw your homepage at meatball and the discussion of "we aim for the humourless rejection of identity in its entirety" and "realnames". I am a founding member of the http://www.solaroof.org SolaRoofOpenEcoWiki where we support the development of "Personal Space" in harmony with the collaborative "Open Space" all within the scope of our Wiki Community. I think that diversity on the Wiki (like biodiversity in a healthy ecology) supports the sustainable development of the Community. I have engaged with Sunir Shah in a discussion of this point at CommunityMayNotScale and found that initially he did not understood that our PmWiki WikiGroups are intentionally separate, personal space (but not private) and we are exploring how to create a communication "feed" from members' personal space to bring activity there (includes the member website,Log, enterprise and project activities) to the attention of the general membership - but not distract collaborative work in the Open Space of the Wiki. For this we use our "Profiles" WikiGroup. We are just a couple months old and any help and participation is very welcome. We will connect with wikivoyage in the aspect of EcoTourism and residential projects learning about ecoliving called Eco Centers. - Solaroofguy

 * Well, it sounds like a really interesting project. There's a lot of issues with setting up "personal" spaces in wiki; I'll stop by and take a look! Thanks for the hello, --(WT-en) Evan 13:57, 22 Apr 2004 (EDT)

What's your email address Evan? Can you email me? I'm jito at neoteny.com. (WT-en) Joi

Redirect Problem
Having some serious trouble with the Pittsburgh stuff. Hoping you can help or direct me to an explanation of the proper method. Someone "fixed" my entry on South Side, a district, by making it Pittsburg/Southside (is this called "disambiguation"?). That's fine, but they mispelled Pittsburgh in the process. In attempting to fix it I got advice from someone to "move" the page (as well as others which had the same problem, and I thought by doing so that I had fixed it. But now some references to South Side in Pittsburgh point to a blank stub and not the proper text, even though the reference text of the links are precisely the same. The fundamental problem I guess is I don't know what I'm doing at some basic level, so I went to Wikipedia Edit Help and read the text on Redirecting, which I confess I found opaque at best. So I still don't know what I'm doing in this regard. (WT-en) William M Goetsch 08:47, 29 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * So, what looks like it happened here was that the page was moved from South Side to Pittsburg/Southside (wrong in two ways) to Pittsburgh/Southside (wrong in just one way). Meanwhile, the links on the Pittsburgh page pointed to Pittsburgh/South Side. Our software isn't smart enough to know that "South Side" and "Southside" are the same thing, so the links were missing their mark. I moved the South Side page one more time, to Pittsburgh/South Side, which I think is where it's gonna stay right now.

 * Don't feel bad about not understanding redirection. Actually, the page you probably needed was Project:How to rename a page, which may have helped a lot.

 * Thanks again for all the hard work, and if you need anything let us know! --(WT-en) Evan 09:08, 29 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * I did read it and that was the missing link. Also, Huttite seems to have properly fixed up the links for me. I'm learning.

MediaWiki handles whitespaces between lists correctly. How else would you seperate two lists which happen to be underneath each other? Or decide when the list is over...

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license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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User talk:EvanProdromou/Apr 2005

See also: User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Archives

Shouldn't robots.txt block access to index.php?
I note that all the wiki page editing and history functions are accessed through
 * http://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=history for the main page, for example.

Shouldn't robots.txt block access to index.php to prevent an excessive load on the server and ensure that the history doesn't wind up in search engines? -- (WT-en) Huttite 03:00, 9 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * You are correct. Unless I'm mistaken, it blocks all of /wiki/, which is where the index.php's live. robots.txt is directory based; well-behaved robots won't look at anything in that directory. --(WT-en) Evan 12:03, 9 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * Yes, of course! You're right, it does block access. Now I understand what that little robots.txt file all means. -- (WT-en) Huttite 14:48, 9 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Current
Evan, I thought you would be the man to ask. Is there a script that notifies readers that there is a ongoing change in the status quo and the information in an article may change rapidly? I.e. WikiPedia's ? (WT-en) Sapphire 21:32, 16 Apr 2005 (EDT)
 * Just to jump in here, but wouldn't that apply to all the articles here? I mean the rapidly changing travel landscape is kinda why a wiki works so great for this sort of info... (WT-en) Majnoona 23:02, 16 Apr 2005 (EDT)
 * I guess, the only reason I ask is because of the Rail travel in North America article. Amtrak has discontiued service on its Acela Express Routes due to cracks in the breaks. I wanted to have a current warning, but for now just added an extra "News" headline. (WT-en) Sapphire 17:07, 17 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Interface files for Japanese Wikivoyage
Greetings — there's been some discussion on Project:LanguageJa.php about what the correct versions of LanguageJa.php and LanguageUtf8.php are. Could you clarify? This is currently holding up the expedition... (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:56, 27 Apr 2005 (EDT)

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User talk:EvanProdromou/Apr-May 2006

See also User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Archives

Links to Travelguidebooks Store
Dear Even, I am Moritz from Berlin, Germany and I am owner of a travelguide and map shop (travelguides24.com). We deliver about 10.000 german and english speaking titles to customers in germany, switzerland and austria. I have been following the wikivoyage project for some time now and I have been thinking about what we could do for each other.

my first thought was that it would be very attractive for travelguides24 to be listet on the german booksource page http://de.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Spezial:Booksources&isbn=3894160748

we usually give 10% of the bookprice to our partners, and we could give this money to wikivoyage for server running expenses. alternatively this could be a donation to a non for profit organisation as well.

Travelguides24 has some content available in digital form, which might be interesting to share.

let me know your thoughts. moritz (info@coast-reisebuecher.de)

Adding a section to the Main Page
(Copied from Talk:Main Page)

There is currently (2 April 06) a discussion going on at the talk page for Project:Destination of the Month candidates, about possibly adding an "Off The Beaten Path" box to the Main Page. (WT-en) Todd VerBeek has genned up a sample of what this might look like, appearing on the Project:Graffiti wall. The idea is to accommodate a wider range of DotMs than can currently be done, since there's beginning to be a substantial backlog of attractive candidates. This idea seems to have legs; if interested, drop by the talk page and join the discussion. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 00:05, 3 April 2006 (EDT)

Help with removing date stamps from digital images
I believe you once did this for some images I uploaded, and I would dearly love to know how you do it. Thanks. (WT-en) Historian 03:05, 3 April 2006 (EDT)

Babel
Sorry to have bothered you. How about (WT-en) this? --(WT-en) Episteme 11:05, 3 April 2006 (EDT)

 * That looks great. If you think it's ready, let's move it to Project:Babel. --(WT-en) Evan 11:42, 3 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Thanks for your reviewing. Could you please do it? --(WT-en) Episteme 13:31, 4 April 2006 (EDT)

Discussion needing your comment
Hi Evan - there are a few ongoing discussions out there that would benefit from comment from you (I know, huge surprise). The first three items currently listed on Project:Votes for deletion (a shared image and two templates) could all use some comment from you - shared images can't be deleted by normal admins, and the templates were created by MediaWiki scripts within the MediaWiki namespace. In addition, there has been some discussion about the feasibility of modifying the image upload page on Project:Image policy - the issue there is that currently uploaders are given very little guidance about specifying license and such. In each of these cases you're the only one who can do anything, so even just a note saying "I'm too busy right now" or "that's easy, but we'll deal with it later" would be helpful. Thanks! -- (WT-en) Ryan 10:55, 5 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Done! Thanks for the pointers. --(WT-en) Evan 12:23, 5 April 2006 (EDT)

Email
Sorry, about sending that email four times. Internet connection went out a couple times and I hit send everytime it came back on. I didn't realize it had sent it before losing the connection. (WT-en) Sapphire 11:16, 5 April 2006 (EDT)

Database on Shared locked?
Shared (only) returns "Database locked for maintenance" when I attempt to edit. Intentional? (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:37, 6 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Not really. That happens for a weekly DB maintenance job that must have been interrupted. I've cleared the lock and checked the DB, and it should be fine now. --(WT-en) Evan 23:17, 6 April 2006 (EDT)

Creative Commons version 2.5 in polish wikivoyage
What o you think to change a license in Polish Wikivoyage to version 2.5? I think that is good think that this versionis tranlated to polish (in future it will be a more useful for polish user). I don't know whether this licence is in accordance with the 1.0 version (if somebody would like to translate from en.travel to Polish).

I'm a polish Wikipedia user and I would like to used dual-licensing (GFDL) but I knot that is almost impossible. But some wikipedia user used a dual-licensing (not all). (WT-en) Adam Dziura 02:03, 7 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Having different versions of Wikivoyage use different versions of the by-sa license is going to be a huge hassle. Can you live with the Polish translated deed right now, and when we do an across-the-board license upgrade, change to the pl one then? --(WT-en) Evan 09:20, 7 April 2006 (EDT)

Opinion please
Please comment on this question/issue. Wikivoyage_talk:Article_naming_conventions Thanks! (WT-en) Sapphire 08:36, 7 April 2006 (EDT)

Travel Topic statuses
I agree that status tags for Travel Topics are a good idea; I just didn't think it was appropriate to apply the existing tags when there are no standards for how to do that. Once we have them, it'll only take a little while to (re-)tag them all. I'd be happy to try drafting some milestones to use, following a similar 5-point scale. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 16:54, 7 April 2006 (EDT)

 * One thing I've wondered about is if there is any way we could create some sort of travel topic template - I realize these kind of vary wildly, but Understand should be common, and a list of places to "do" the topic should also be standard, perhaps a stay safe section, and others I'm sure could be applied reasonably universally. I think having some kind of template would make it much easier to apply a status.  Either of you (or anyone else) agree and might want to take a stab at creating one? -- (WT-en) Ryan 16:58, 7 April 2006 (EDT)

MediaWiki Extension with RFD Tags
After asking a question on the discussion page for the Main Page, I learned that the WikiTravel hierarchical directories (e.g., Asia: Middle East: Iran) that appear on the top of each destination page are the result of a MediaWiki extension that you designed which uses an RFD specification. Being new to designing a web site, never mind launching a wiki, I'm not sure where to find this extension or how to use it. Many thanks, 160.39.242.215 01:09, 27 March 2006 (EST)

 * If you're not used to designing a Web site, nor launching a wiki, I don't think it's going to be useful to you. However, it's available at http://wikivoyage.org/~evan/mw-rdf-0.5.tar.gz if you want to try it. --(WT-en) Evan 09:57, 27 March 2006 (EST)

 * Thanks for your help, I have accessed the file and installed RAP. I am having a problem with installation, though: what the is the /*Config Stuff*/ to /*Config End*/ in MwRDF.php intended for?  Is it necessary?  I have pasted it in LocalSettings.php (not sure what is meant by "reset") and moved it around within MwRDF.php, but I still get an error message on my page when I try to run it that reads, "Notice: Use of undefined constant MwRdfCreativeCommons - assumed 'MwRdfCreativeCommons' in c:\program files\easyphp1-8\www\mediawiki-1.5.6\extensions\MwRdf.php on line 62".  This message is included for all constants included in that section ('MwRdfLinksTo', 'MwRdfCategories', etc.)  I get this same message with reference to LocalSettings when I place the section there.  Where are these constants defined (it appears they are defined in MwRdf, but that does not explain the error msg)?  When I have simply eliminated this section entirely from MwRdf.php, the site has launched as usual, but there is no indication of Rfd capabilities and Special:RFD does not exist.  Can I eliminate this section entirely and go through some other procedure to have Special:RFD created?  Your advice is a big help, I hope this is not too time-consuming for you. 160.39.234.163 03:31, 2 April 2006 (EDT)

 * No, it's fine. Did you read the "README.RDF.txt" file? There's a section on installation. You should only have to add two lines to the config file. You should not copy all those other lines between Config Start and Config End; those are variables that can be set in your LocalSettings.php, and they are documented in the README. Please: take a close look at the README file. --(WT-en) Evan 11:05, 2 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Hi, I found the problem (nothing like the feeling of your first troubleshooting task). In the Config section, functions like 'MwRdfLinksTo' & 'MwRdfCategories' are recognized as constants instead of functions because they are not surrounded by single quotes.  So under ($wgRdfModelFunctions = array('inpage' => MwRdfInPage) and other listings the MwRdfInPage needs to be 'MwRdfInPage'.  Not sure if it is a windows thing or whatever. 160.39.234.71 23:50, 7 April 2006 (EDT)

 * I don't know, either. All I know is that it works as coded on this side.

 * Although I admire your persistence, I'd like to once again discourage you from pursuing this project. If you're really hot to get breadcrumb menus working, I'd advise that you look into the $wgUseCategoryBrowser variable. It seems to work OK, although we don't use categories on Wikivoyage so I can't tell you for sure. --(WT-en) Evan 00:25, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

Id love to get my hands on the code for this as well Evan- i just went to the link u posted before ( http://wikivoyage.org/~evan/mw-rdf-0.5.tar.gz ) and it was broken. Can you either re-post it or let me know how i can set it up myself? --(WT-en) Buggit 24 May 2006 (EDT)

 * The code is in MediaWiki's subversion repository, here. You really don't want it; look at $wgUseCategoryBrowser in DefaultSettings.php instead. --(WT-en) Evan 10:00, 24 May 2006 (EDT)

Problem with a picture
Hi!

I've just uploaded a self-made map of the Inle Lake in Myanmar on Shared Wikivoyage. But I cannot see it. I've added the link to the article (Inle Lake) but nobody can see the map (Image:KarteInleSee.png) - only the link. Do you know why? -- (WT-en) DerFussi 02:47, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Well, the file isn't there. It looks like there was an error with the last upload -- you can see that the last version is broken. I've re-uploaded the newest version that didn't look broken, but you might want to re-upload your latest version. By the way, nice map! One thing, though: for Wikivoyage Shared, at least, I think it's crucial to upload source SVG files for maps -- since the names of things will change. Can you upload the source for the karten you've done so far? --(WT-en) Evan 10:06, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

 * I will try to reupload it. And I'm going to provide the SVG-files. The next one will be a city map of Siem Reap -- (WT-en) DerFussi 10:28, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

Thought I would report a bug
Everytime I click a different link on Wikivoyage the list of links at the top switches between the left and right side of the screen. The links I'm referring to are - "(User name)", "my talk," "preferences," "my watchlist," "my contributions," and "log out." (WT-en) Sapphire 14:33, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Which browser? Also, it will flash at the beginning as the Javascript fills in the list with your personal information; does it actually end up at one end of the screen or the other? It should be on the far right. --(WT-en) Evan 20:49, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

Template updates
Understood. Rest assured that I won't be touching the existing status templates in the forseeable future. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 20:58, 10 April 2006 (EDT)

 * OK. My point was less "don't touch them" (obviously, it's a wiki, and you're a major contributor, and you've been doing a great job on the status stuff) but "don't save them 15 times in a row to see how they look". You didn't do that, as far as I can tell, but I wanted you to know to be careful. Also, kind of a warning that if you edit them and your browser freezes, it means that thousands of cached HTML files are being deleted. B-) --(WT-en) Evan 21:56, 10 April 2006 (EDT)

Mailing lists
Evan,

a couple of months ago, you asked me to help you admin the swedish mailing list. I think I said yes, but we never continued the discussion...I assume we both got busy. Well, do get back to me whenever you can. :-) BR (WT-en) Riggwelter 03:19, 11 April 2006 (EDT).

Bug on the French Wikivoyage
Evan, there is an incredible bug on the French Wikivoyage thins morning: when I edit another user's talk page, I'm loged in with with his account and I can edit pages with his name and I can change his preferences... That's strange... (WT-en) Julien 04:10, 11 April 2006 (EDT)

St. Petersburg
Hi Evan, could you backup your argument on not applying the most famous rule to St. Petersburg, on its talk page? -- 145.99.202.92 05:56, 11 April 2006 (EDT)

Me, Evan?
Funny, I went to http://wikivoyage.org/~evan and suddenly i turned out to be recognized as user Evan. Although Im stil 145.99.202.92. Maybe something's bugging you? --(WT-en) Evan 06:03, 11 April 2006 (EDT) :)

 * Yeah, but hopefully it's not any more. --207.134.56.158 10:48, 11 April 2006 (EDT)

Re: Changes in translation file
That was basically me doing all the changes and I thought they were really necessary because: Although several messages are still in English, you'll see a lot less changes from now on because the bulk of messages that are relevant to the general user are done. I'm keeping a close eye on every edit on pt: anyway, but please drop me a note if you think anything else needs to be clarified. -- (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 08:40, 11 April 2006 (EDT)
 * 1) The original translated file did not cover all system messages. A lot of stuff had been left in English, but we only realize that when actually using the wiki;
 * 2) A few of the original translations were really bad Portuguese and I felt that needed to change too.
 * Oops...now that I've read Project:11 April 2006 I think I'd misunderstood your message. I'll be watching out for the unwanted changes. (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 08:50, 11 April 2006 (EDT)

 * pt:MediaWiki:Helppage is protected - is that on purpose? I'd like it to link to the Portuguese version of Wikivoyage:Help instead of Help:Contents, which it's been doing after the upgrade. Also, Registro do dia (Today's log) links to some community portal (like the other language versions) and not to the log proper (like en:). Could you please check that too? Thanks. (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 17:35, 13 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Aren't MediaWiki: pages always protected? Help was moved, logbook URL should be changed now. Glad things are going well! --(WT-en) Evan 19:12, 13 April 2006 (EDT)

Bug
I added a bug report that looks pretty important to me. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:52, 11 April 2006 (EDT)

sorry for the late response

 * Dear Evan! Sorry for the late response. I was experiencing great difficulties with my (broken) laptops. I would have noticed your message if "" (Tog-enotifusertalkpages) would have been enabeled.
 * Dear Evan! You probably know that I am very interested in interwiki issues (04285), portability of code, left to right, right to left and bidirectional issues. It would become an issue if you open a wiki using right to left.
 * I did not understand how bug reporting is handeled here, if there is feedback or not. I just noted lots of differebcies. Best regards Gangleri · T · m: [ Th] · T 10:55, 13 April 2006 (EDT)

Test
Testing new messages. --207.134.56.158 12:02, 13 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Test again. --207.134.56.158 12:06, 13 April 2006 (EDT)

Articles missing after work on database
A lot of articles are missing (al least in the German edition) after the todays work on the database. What's wrong? For the problem see for instance de:%C3%84gypten/Orte_in_%C3%84gypten, all red linked articles were filled. (WT-en) Unger 03:03, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

 * I'll take a look... thanks for letting me know. --(WT-en) Evan 03:07, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Please refer also to my watch list. It is maybe a problem of esc codes in the file names. And a catastrophe, if the articles were lost. (WT-en) Unger 03:18, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

 * The articles aren't lost, don't worry! It's the escape codes in the names; they don't seem to have survived well. So they're in the database, but the names are incorrect. I just need to fix the names.

 * I'm not sure why certain escape codes are getting broken and other ones aren't, but I'm going to see what I can do to update the names correctly. --(WT-en) Evan 03:28, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

 * I think, all article names with the letter ā = small letter a with marcon = U0101 = %C4%81 are broken. (WT-en) Unger 04:10, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

 * I hope most is repaired. I repaired also my watchlist and about 90 broken redirects. But the link lists (What links there) are not yet correct. (WT-en) Unger 09:16, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

Hi Evan, I just added some content in the english Berlin section about restaurants but when i wanted to save page I got an error message from my internet explorer and all me changes went away! I added about 4 restaurants with links and normally it works.

Requests
Isn't there a place where I can make a request for comments? I thought there was and I've been searching for, but to no avail. Thanks. (WT-en) Sapphire 17:28, 23 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Project:Requests for comment, I think. --(WT-en) Evan 17:40, 23 April 2006 (EDT)
 * That's what I thought it was but I couldn't access it. Hmmm. Maybe my connection went out. (WT-en) Sapphire 17:42, 23 April 2006 (EDT)

logged in but changes shown as logged out
In the last two days when I wrote and saved it. The changes were shown as from an anonymous user but not from me (IP 83.76.220.153 see Klaipeda today. How can i change this or want i make wrong? Thanks (WT-en) jan 10:29, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Yes, that's a problem with our caching system. It used to be pretty OK, but some changes in the 1.6.x MediaWiki upgrade seem to have mucked it up. I'm going to see what I can do to fix it. --(WT-en) Evan 12:06, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

Template for inclusion of other articles?
I vaguely recall that some weeks back you created a template that allowed magical inclusion of articles into other articles. Where can I find this, or am I hallucinating? It's not listed in Project:Template index. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:17, 25 April 2006 (EDT)

 * I think it's Template:Sidebar. I think we should figure out its relationship to Template:Infobox, though. --(WT-en) Evan 07:41, 25 April 2006 (EDT)

 * What does it do differently from the infobox? —(WT-en) Ravikiran 07:53, 25 April 2006 (EDT)

 * It transcludes another article, rather than just sticking in some text. See User:(WT-en) Evan/Sidebar example for, well... I'm sure you can guess. It could be useful for some shared information, like say Malaria info for malaria-affected areas. --(WT-en) Evan 07:58, 25 April 2006 (EDT)

 * So if I just want to read in all of, I can just punch in into the parent?  Spiffy. (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:07, 25 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Yes, that works for any namespace (except Special:, I think). so,  . The default namespace, if none is provided, is "Template:" (or the local language equivalent), and if you want to use the "main" namespace, you have to provide an empty string in front of the colon. --(WT-en) Evan 12:09, 25 April 2006 (EDT)

Random Q
What is this? What is it's purpose? Special:Rdf. Thanks. - (WT-en) Sapphire 23:38, 28 April 2006 (EDT)

 * It dumps the RDF for any particular page. See Project:RDF. --(WT-en) Evan 07:13, 29 April 2006 (EDT)

Deletion
You're welcome. The vfd page was getting a bit unwieldy. I am tempted to suggest a shortening to 10 days, or something like 7 days if nobody has objected. -- (WT-en) Jonboy 10:44, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

Duh
Thanks - I was looking for a page like that- a bunch of tasks that we could dump on a new contributor to get him or her involved. The only one that I could find was that non-administrator tasks thing. Even this is somewhat out of date, but at least it is a better start. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 02:51, 7 May 2006 (EDT)

 * Let's see what we can do to merge the two. And, obviously, we need to bring those task suggestions a little more forward -- if you couldn't find them, no way someone else is going to be able to. --(WT-en) Evan 08:47, 7 May 2006 (EDT)

 * Exactly what I was going to say. I've now linked it from the project page. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 14:17, 7 May 2006 (EDT)

Vancouver
Hi Evan! Someone demolished the site of Vancouver and I tried to revert the changes from 198.165.58.254 but wasn't that successful. How is the correct way to revert deletion or demolitions? Thanks (WT-en) jan 11:19, 9 May 2006 (EDT)

 * You should take a peek at Project:How to revert a page. It's got detailed instructions on how to "roll back" a page to a previous version. --(WT-en) Evan 11:30, 9 May 2006 (EDT)

VFD process on Shared
Colin and I started a discussion on Shared trying to figure out how to delete a blatant copyvio. What do we do? (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 23:55, 20 May 2006 (EDT)

Admin status
Thanks! I'm happy to join the never-ending battle for Truth, Justice, and the American International Way. <S> -(WT-en) Todd VerBeek 10:55, 21 May 2006 (EDT)

 * Make that the Wiki Way. :-) I'm on too, with various new stuff on the tabs; thanks, and let me know what I can do to help. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 08:55, 22 May 2006 (EDT)

Working on shared
Evan, are you able to edit "project pages"? I'm working on copying and pasting info from en onto the Shared site to help users figure out their way around the site. I would be extremely thankful if you edit the Recent changes page on Shared. I would like the "Requests for articles" link to be replaced with the "Request for images" link.

Thanks in advance. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 23:32, 24 May 2006 (EDT)

 * Sure, it's done. So, now it's my turn to ask a favor: pleeeeease don't call me that again! B-) --(WT-en) Evan 00:30, 25 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Alright, consider it changed for doing my favor. :) - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 00:36, 25 May 2006 (EDT)

Extlinks and OpenGuides
So now that the External Links section is going away, we no longer have a place to stick links to OpenGuides. It Would Be Nice to add a kind of thing. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:23, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

 * It would! Good idea. --(WT-en) Evan 21:36, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

Simultaneous updating of Requests for images
Evan,

Is it at all possible through various codes or programming to have the wts:Requests for images update as the EN  Project:Requests for images version is edited? - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 01:05, 31 May 2006 (EDT)

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User talk:EvanProdromou/Apr-May 2007

See also User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Archives

Please direct the following questions to the right spots:

 * Technical requests like feature requests or bug reports should be posted using the tool at wts:Technical requests.

spam blacklist
Thanks for the tweak, I was wondering why it was not working --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 08:58, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Certifi.ca matters
Evan, I sent you a mail message re Authentrus. Could you take a look and reply?

Thanks,

Wes K

 * I just did. --(WT-en) Evan 14:13, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

TOC input
Looks good! (WT-en) OldPine 16:50, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Administrator in Catalan
Hey there. Just to let you know, the voting period on my in the Catalan version is over. Thanks for your support! (WT-en) Texugo 04:31, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

dmoz
Hi Evan,

I would like to tell you that I submitted the application for the Wikivoyage ja: to the dmoz today, following your advice. By the way, I have a question. Have you checked if the "wikivoyage" tag is correctly working on the dmoz, recently? I tried to display the En: Main page from the dmoz, but I couldn't. When I search and crick the "Wikivoyage" tug, it displays the odd titled ("メインペぅジ", it seems like Japanese but actually have no meaning) incomplete page. The result was the same when I tried on the French page (Or... those problems are from the system of my PC? Well, I have no idea). --(WT-en) Shoestring 09:16, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

 * My friend is getting the same problem on her browser. See . (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:32, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

Update
Hey there. Just thought I'd give you a little update to let you know what I've been up to. Also I have a question. Perhaps my search wasn't very thorough, but I'm wondering if somewhere there is a list of MediaWiki pages like the ones that put text in the menu bar on the left, etc. Also, are MediaWiki page titles the same for all language versions or have some of them been translated? As always, thanks for your support! (WT-en) Texugo 12:42, 8 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Ca: Been on an insane article-creating spree. I think I created about 400 articles in the last couple of weeks. I also got IsIn going and I made a factbox template for countries.
 * Es: and Pt: Policing new edits, removing old external links and making general style/format edits. I've been working to improve the organization, particularly of metropolis districts and regions/states/provinces within countries.
 * Ro: I went on an all-out crusade and 1) eliminated the External Links section from every single article, and 2) replaced the old manual HTML breadcrumb navigation with IsIn for every single article. Also made a lot of style edits and implemented a factbox template for countries. I'm trying to get (WT-ro) Vlad to give us a start-from-scratch re-translation of at least the huge city template-- as you probably know, that language version never really had a good template set-up, so the existing articles are at the moment in a variety of formats. Once we get a huge city template, I think (WT-en) Rmx and I can create the other templates from it. When that is done, I'll probably go crazy putting articles in the new format and creating new articles. I think we can get Ro: back on its feet.
 * Fr: (WT-en) Rmx and I have convinced the French version to eliminate its External links sections as well. I've been doing a lot of that, and making some style/format edits. I'd like to convince Ja: to eliminate its external links sections as well.
 * It: Occasional edits. I'd like to get involved more, but this version moves fast, a good deal busier than other language versions.

Ro:
Hi again, Evan. Guess what? I have nominated myself for admin on ro:. Vlad is currently the only admin and he hardly has any time for it. There are so few visitors to that version that Vlad and maybe Rmx are the only ones likely to vote. Can I count on your support? No admin nomination page has been created there, so I used the Travellers' pub. (WT-en) Texugo 12:50, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

OpenID extension
Hi Evan, I'm working on AboutUs.org, which is now using your OpenID extension. I've had users request the ability to merge their openID account with their pre-existing wiki account. I thought I'd check in with you before I begin working on this to see if you or anybody you've heard about has done any work in this direction.

Thanks, (WT-en) Jacobpappe 13:45, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

 * It's built-in; see Special:OpenIDConvert. --(WT-en) Evan 13:53, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Thanks, Evan. That's nice that it's built in.  I was imagining an additional option when someone first signs in with their OpenID so instead of creating a new account, they can instead enter a pre-existing username and password.  If I end up implementing this, I'll submit a patch.   (WT-en) Jacobpappe 19:29, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Yeah, that's another way of doing it. You may want to look at Ma.gnolia, which has that form of implementation. I think it's a pretty good idea. --(WT-en) Evan 20:57, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

hi
Could you just try to sort out the probs on, the hi quickbar. Check to see an eg. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) •

Vietnam Bia Hoi comments
Hi Evan,

I just got back form a 3 week trip to Vietnam with my Vietnamese-American fiance and just had a correction to make on the Beer section of the Vietnam page. As it was rather pervasive I thought I would let you know and change it as appropriate. Bia Hoi is actually bottled beer while Bia Tuoi (literally "fresh beer") is draft beer. Bia Hoi is available pretty much everywhere, while Bia Tuoi is harder to find but getting more popular. Most of the places that we found for Bia Tuoi served Tiger or Heineken and were larger bars; one tiny street corner place claimed to serve 333 but we were not convinced (that actually seemed closer to your definition of Bia Hoi, it was draft beer that was put into jugs for us to then pour out into our glasses, but we did see them fill the jugs from a tapped keg).

Cheers,

-chris

Bot
Is it possible for me to program a bot to auto-generate outlines for countries on ? (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 10:07, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Yes, of course! When I need to create new articles, I use WWW::Mediawiki::Client, since it's really easy to use. Please take a look at the Script policy, though. --(WT-en) Evan 08:38, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Where can I get the instructions on how to use. I can just about manage VB and some C++ :(

 * It'll be much easier for me to just do it. How about this: you make a list on hi: of articles you want created and what template you want them created with, and I'll add them. --(WT-en) Evan 10:09, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Right, I'll give you the list in 2-3 days. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 06:51, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

That sounds like a cool idea... is it possible though to focus on the Hi tech requests before putting energy into this though? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 17:05, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

Renameuser
Hi Evan,

As you are the only Bureaucrat, could you rename our id to MaiteHugues (with a capital H)? Thank you. (WT-en) Maitehugues 09:45, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Done. --(WT-en) Evan 10:04, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

Feedback for wikivoyage?
Could wikivoyage not have a feedback console for each article, giving people the ability to leave feedback for each article, giving plus points or points of improvement? which could then be followed upon, or praise for the article, i often read articles and feel guilty that the person who spent time and effort creating the article is not getting thanks for his or her for thier gratious work.

oh, and thankyou for co-creating wikivoyage, it is one of the best ideas ive seen on the web;

thanks

Jack

 * The "feedback console" is the Talk page. The idea, though, is that you hit the Edit button and fix up whatever's wrong! (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:25, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

admin
uh oh, one down... Project:Administrator nominations might need your attention, beaurocrat... – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 19:45, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

all images on shared
Is this possible? – (WT-en) cacahuate   talk 02:05, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

Audio Guides / Walking Tours
Hi Evan - I emailed you and Maj a few days ago to touch base on my idea about adding free, collaborative audio walking tours to Wikivoyage. Based on your profile, I get the impression that your Talk Page is a better way of getting in touch. Can we meet tomorrow or next week? (Sunday works for me too) Maybe we can have lunch? I'm in 514. mikecitrome@yahoo.com - MC May 3 1:14 PM
 * Mike, I just sent you an email. Thanks. (WT-en) Maj 13:32, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

hi:wikivoyage
Hi, could you please change the on hi to विकिट्रैवल (the Hindi for WT) — (WT-en) Upamanyu, talk

P.S. I hope you had a great holiday at Puerto Rico.

Naming regions
Hi. Did you mean why did I use the names Dobruja and Bukovina instead of Dobrogea and Bucovina on the Romania page? It's because I noticed those versions were more frequent in English language sources. (WT-en) Axi 14:53, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

ToC
Why has it all gone white? Looks weird. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 12:26, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

 * See Project:10 May 2007. You may need to force-reload your browser window to get things to line up right. --(WT-en) Evan 12:36, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Could you change it (the TOC) back to the old one for . And please remember to change the to विकिट्रैवल

 * Why change it back? I'm not excited about making an exception for one Wikivoyage language version; it means a lot of maintenance hassles for me in the future. Could you please comment on the Shared page? --(WT-en) Evan 07:57, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

 * I'll reply in the shared TP. But what about changeing the to विकिट्रैवल ASAP? (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 08:55, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Done! Let me know if that works well. Note that you'll manually have to change links to all the "Wikivoyage:..." pages, but they should probably have the right content already. --(WT-en) Evan 09:07, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

 * There's a slight problem. I had already started writing the WT articles with विकिट्रैवल:... and now all the links have disappeared.

admin nom
Hey there, looks like we're a little overdue to give (WT-en) Stacy her magical powers... – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 14:15, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

 * oops, just saw your note on her talk page... I'll archive her nomination now – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 16:44, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

Move and edit test/archive/target
Are these still needed, or can they be deleted (in order to remove them from Special:DoubleRedirects)?
 * User:(WT-en) Evan/Move and edit test
 * User:(WT-en) Evan/Move and edit test archive
 * User:(WT-en) Evan/Move and edit target

 * Not needed at all. --(WT-en) Evan 19:01, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

TOC
Hey there brotha... just a reminder to fix the last few issues before this plummets to bottom of your todo list ;)  summing up what seem to be the issues on the tech page:

 * forcing all sections to stay below the TOC - see how Africa looks in my browser

 * getting the + sign to twist down (not sure if it's working in other browsers, but it's definitely not in Safari).

 * move the "contents" heading inside the box, or better yet, remove it altogether

 * getting the "bullets out of the margin", as Todd put it... but if you fix #1 above then I think this would become irrelavent

 * supress the TOC when viewing diffs (as it used to do), to avoid having to scroll right.

Happy Monday! – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 04:04, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Check out how Template:Merge is rendering on Lake Nyasa – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 01:14, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

Can you delete an account I created and do not want anymore?
Hi Evan!

I just signed up for an account today. However, after I signed up for an account, I realized that I wanted to use a different user name. Can you delete the account under the user name MandarinManMark, or is it ok just to have that inactive account laying around? I'll continue to use this account. Sorry to bug you, I was referred to you by someone :)

Thanks!

I love Wikivoyage and am very excited to start contributing it. Thanks for starting something so wonderful!

- (WT-en) Mark

 * You old account is fine. We'll just leave it for now. --(WT-en) Evan 10:38, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Hola
I looked you up to tell you I might be in Montreal for a day next week (Thursday). But it looks like you'll be in New York for a while in June. Let me know if you need a place to stay (plenty of room in my house) and when we can catch up.

Mike D

Universal edit button
→ interesting

p.s... are you alive? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 02:29, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Yes, yes! --(WT-en) Evan 21:25, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

Site slow
Hi Evan, any idea what is slowing the server(s) lately? Saving page edits times out sometimes lately. Could you reply over on Project:Travellers' pub? :-) (WT-en) Rogerhc 17:10, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

webby
So the Webby has made its way off of our news now, but I think you should find a way to get it on the main page still.... maybe you can just put the winner logo somewhere in the left nav bar, maybe in the blank space above the CC logo? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 15:06, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

Nomination of the new admin on ja
Hi. I nominated (WT-ja) Tatata as a candidate for the new admin on ja and Shared as follows.--(WT-en) Shoestring 22:37, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

Star nomination
Care to comment before Ann Arbor is starred? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 22:47, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

Hindi WT fixes
Hey there, saw your note for Upamanyu, he's on an extended vacation at the moment... but as for all of the things that I recall that were problems, they all seem to be fixed, except for the "Other sites" box in the nav bar... it may just need to be translated, so that will have to wait for him to return since I don't want to take a stab at it and not have it be correct, though I'm not sure he knows where to look to fix that, so you may want to point him in the right direction.

Otherwise, neverending blinky dot problem has ceased, I can now edit and save my preferences, and searching for pages brings about the correct results and gives a link to create a page if it doesn't already exist. So I think you got them right! Thanks Evan! – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 16:22, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

IsIn
Oh yeah, here was another one wts:WtTech:IsIn on Hindi version. I tried to figure it out myself, but not my forte. Why won't it work if I just copy the code verbatim from IsPartOf? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 18:05, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

TOC issue
Hi Evan - this probably belongs as a bug report on shared, but since I'm not sure what the deal is I figured I'd put it on your talk page and let you decide how you want to handle it. Since the new TOC went live I've occasionally noticed a TOC showing up on the wrong page. Clearing the cache generally fixes the problem. As an example, at the moment, the TOC on Catalina Island appears to be showing a portion of the TOC for Budapest. I'm not sure what magic mojo is used to generate the TOC, but this one is weird enough that I expect the mojo went left instead of right somewhere. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:34, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
 * I also see it on the Recentchanges page occassionally, most often I notice it on de:. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 19:44, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Weird! That shouldn't ever happen. Hrmmmmm... I'll see if I can add some fancier mojo to make it work correctly. --(WT-en) Evan 19:49, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

Admin on Shared
Shouldn't I be an admin on Shared, as well as English? It looks like the VFD page there could use some extra help. (WT-shared) Here's me on shared. Thanks! -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 23:37, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

 * I meant to ask you about this too-- I read somewhere on the Shared site that admins from any language version are automatically admins on Shared as well, but as yet I have no superpowers there. (WT-en) Texugo 05:23, 29 May 2007 (EDT)

 * "Automatically" as in "without any admin process"; it still takes a bureaucrat to flip the switch. I've done it for both of you. --(WT-en) Evan 07:18, 29 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Err, me 3? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 15:22, 29 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Done. --(WT-en) Evan 15:50, 29 May 2007 (EDT)

title: User talk:EvanProdromou/Apr-May 2007


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User talk:EvanProdromou/Archives

 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Jul-Aug-Sep 2007 -- long hot summer
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Jun 2007 -- he: he: he:
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Apr-May 2007 -- hi: how are you?
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Feb-Mar 2007
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Jan 2007
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Oct-Nov 2006 -- hu: are you? hu hu, hu hu?
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Aug-Sep 2006 -- uzado
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Jul 2006 -- hot in the city tonight
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Jun 2006 -- and so on
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Apr-May 2006 -- acquisition and post
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Mar 2006 -- this and that
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Feb 2006 -- back on schedule, more or less
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Nov-Dec-2005-Jan-2006 -- again
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Jul-Aug-Sep-Oct-2005 -- I just kept forgetting
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Jun 2005 -- fun fun fun
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/May 2005 -- flowers
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Apr 2005 -- riz
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Mar 2005 -- sprung
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Feb 2005 -- bit by bit
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Jan 2005 -- back in the bosom
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Dec 2004 -- south seas, tsunamis
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Nov 2004 -- the month that wasn't there
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Oct 2004 -- getting better all the time
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Sep 2004 -- under the boardwalk
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Aug 2004 -- dirt and wind
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Jul 2004 --
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Jun 2004 --
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/May 2004 -- no snappy name for this month
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Apr 2004 -- the cruelest month
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Mar 2004 -- huzzah for Spring
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Feb 2004 -- more fun in the new world
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Jan 2004 -- the year of Wikivoyage
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Dec 2003 -- jingle bells
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Nov 2003 -- days of thunder
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Sep-Oct 2003 -- days of quiet thunder
 * User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Aug 2003 -- I was so much older then

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User talk:EvanProdromou/Aug 2003

Preview page doesn't work when editing (WT-en) Fred Bauder 06:27, 5 Aug 2003 (PDT)

Heh, Guess it was above and I wasn't looking for it there. So, False alarm. (WT-en) Fred Bauder 06:47, 5 Aug 2003 (PDT)

The Crestone, Colorado article is almost all my own work anyway. There is only a few words if that that anyone else might have included and that is probably census date which is public domain anyway. (WT-en) Fred Bauder 14:52, 5 Aug 2003 (PDT)

 * OK, just wanted to check. See Project:Why Wikivoyage isn't GFDL -- I also wrote Project:Welcome, Wikipedians just for you. -- (WT-en) Evan 15:03, 5 Aug 2003 (PDT)

Evan please have a look at the Afghanistan article - is it looking ok? Should anything else be changed? It was broken before when I ran an automated import of it, seemed to break the entire site too (probably a bug in Wikipedia Code). (WT-en) Aholstenson 10:19, 6 Aug 2003 (PDT)

 * Doing another automated import from the factbook. I imported Sweden and know I know why it is not working (the site does not realise that a new page has been created). (WT-en) Aholstenson 10:27, 6 Aug 2003 (PDT)

 * Looks great. I've got some improvements; I'm making comments on the factbook import page. -- (WT-en) Evan 10:32, 6 Aug 2003 (PDT)

I know a few days have passed, but hey, thanks for the welcome. Like I said on my user page, it's been some years since my travelling days, but I'll try to do my best to contribute valuable information. If it's out of date I'm sure other wikivoyagers will adapt what I've written. Cheers! (WT-en) D.D. 05:11, 9 Aug 2003 (PDT)

Hi Evan, your site looks good. I thought I would point out that there is another wiki-based travel project in the early stages called Capitan Cook. It is released under the GNU Free Documentation License (I've read and agree with your reasoning to use a CC license instead; I wish we could relicense Wikipedia...). Since both projects are are young, I thought you might want to get in touch with your "competitor" and discuss ways of cooperating, or even merging your efforts. -- Stephen Gilbert, a visitor from Wikipedia.

 * Thanks for the info. Yes, I'm aware of Capitan Cook. We'd already started working on Wikivoyage before we found out about it. I don't know what we'll do to coordinate efforts -- we'll see what happens. -- (WT-en) Evan 11:38, 12 Aug 2003 (PDT)

It's my mission in online life to help projects become aware of, and coordinate with, each other. I do my best to avoid being a pest, though. :) I've decided to become a contributor here rather than Capitan Cook; I somehow like the feel of this project better (with pages like Project:Other ways of seeing travel and Project:Expeditions). The other project feels more like a Lonely Planet clone to me.

I have a few ideas on coordinating with Wikipedia, but perhaps I should head over to the Project:Travellers' pub. -- (WT-en) Stephen Gilbert 12:59, 12 Aug 2003 (PDT)

 * Hi, I'm Giorgio Baresi and I'm CapitanCook founder. I've just come back home from a travel and I found this website... really interesting :) I think we could find a way to cooperate, what do you think? Let me know! - Giorgio, 24th August

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