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Talk:Belo Horizonte

Hippie Fair
On the Hippie Fair: where did you get these figures ? 60,000 to 120,000 is too much.
 * Hippie Fair: Keep it up and I will double these figures. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 186.215.128.214 (talk • contribs)
 * The official website says 100,000. I have changed it accordingly. (WT-en) texugo 21:54, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

Learn
These listings do not appear to have short-term opportunities for the traveller. If any of them do, please give details of what is on offer and re-insert it into the article.

 * Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais . Av. Antônio Carlos 6627, Pampulha.
 * Pontifícia Universidade Católica . Four blocks northwest of the Gameleira station.
 * Universidade do Estado de Minas Gerais.
 * Centro Universitário UNA.
 * Universidade FUMEC.
 * Universidade José do Rosário Vellano.
 * Centro Universitário Newton Paiva.
 * Centro Federal de Ensino Tecnológico de Minas Gerais - CEFET.
 * Instituto Brasil-Estados Unidos

Page protection
Does anyone protect this page? Some users had adding some law infrigment articles and topics, and it's very annonying delete this always.
 * If you are referring to the information about the dry law, I don't think that information should be removed. It is useful, relevant, and legal. Travellers should be told that they can legally refuse a breathalyzer test. What's the problem? Texugo (talk) 02:14, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * From an outside perspective, I didn't know that Brazil was so strict on drink driving. But when I googled it, it seems like it was enacted in 2008, even with amendments in 2012, so it's not really new. Also it's not any where in the actual Brazil article and not in Rio de Janeiro either, and I think that might be a shock to people visiting in 2014 and 2016. So perhaps this should go to the top-level article, or would it be duplicated in all the major cities? And I would then prefer a short note reminding people about the police blitz around the drinking area in Belo Horizonte and other cities instead. -- Torty3 (talk) 07:38, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, its possible at least update the article with the right (and updated) Alchool percentual? A good source: http://noticias.terra.com.br/brasil/cidades/regulamentada-lei-seca-veta-qualquer-porcao-de-alcool-no-sangue,0e630c5263e7c310VgnCLD2000000ec6eb0aRCRD.html Kerberos2001 (talk) 07:25, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Belur

Belur is one of the best temples I have been to. Temple work is very intricate and it amazes me how it would have been done 8 centuries ago. —The preceding comment was added by 137.71.230.54 (talk • contribs) 0:08, 19 July 2011

Understand section
It seems like copypasta from somewhere, and it also is too detailed. Anyone who would like to edit it for pithiness and better structure would be doing this site a good service. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:29, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

 * I edited out most of the copypasta in the "Understand," "See," "Eat," and "Drink" sections. There probably is still too much copypasta in "See," and both "Understand" and "See" now probably need to be enlarged, with more explanations given about the history and importance of the town and temples - but without plagiarizing from somewhere. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:00, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Belvoir Castle

I am not totally sure the English Belvoir Castle really qualifies as a destination. The castle's web site seems ambiguous, but implies that it is probably not a destination, depending on exactly what a visitor can "let". However, no harm, I think, in leaving this here until we figure out what to do with the Israeli Belvoir, which may ultimately get merged into some other article that meets the you-can-sleep-there test more clearly, and/or until somebody gets around to creating Knipton. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 22:36, 3 June 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Belvoir Castle (England)

Great story, but where is this castle? I think it needs to be put within some city article? {(WT-en) 3wisemen 12:55, 26 June 2007 (EDT)}

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Talk:Belvoir Castle (Israel)

VfD discussion

 * Merge info and delete. Anyone know where this attraction is? - Sapphire
 * The article states Israel, but the one I found is in Leicestershire, England. Wikipedia bears this out. Searching for a Crusades-era site in Israel, however, locates another castle of the same name which is indeed in Israel . Disambig? (WT-en) KillerChihuahua 11:07, 19 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Disambig for sure, and rather than delete, merge into -- something. Not sure what, but the content shouldn't be thrown out. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 17:31, 2 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Resolution: I've started the disambiguation and removed the vfd banner. However, in my opinion, this one is still open for discussion.  There are other attractions far enough out in the boonies (e.g. Panmunjeom) that consensus is to treat them as destinations even though they don't pass the you-can-sleep-there test in a very satisfying way.  It would be nice if someone could do the research to see just how far out in the boonies this thing is -- distance to nearest place where you can sleep, etc. -- and if applicable, set up an article for the closest place to sleep, into which the content of this article can be merged.  (Interestingly, none of KillerChihuahua's citations help much with that.)  Until then, it remains, lacking anything satisfactory to do with it. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 22:22, 3 June 2006 (EDT)

New discussion of the justification for this attraction to have its own article
I'd like some new discussion about this. Normally, under Wikivoyage's policies on what is an article, castles don't get their own article but should be included under "See" in the article of the nearest town, or if they are in a remote area, of the regional article. Should this castle be an exception to the rule? If so, how come? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:33, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Benalmadena Costa

The visitor should know that the Benalmadena coast is almost as British as it is Spanish. English language and British pubs predominate. The paseo (walkway) along the beachfront is a fantastic stroll on a Sunday afternoon. You'll find everyone there and it is lined with little restaurants and bars. You could walk for miles, almost to Malaga itself, and enjoy every step of the way. (Incidentelly, that's not a Spanish accent mark that WikiTravel is showing. For shame!)

 * I don't know about Benalmadena, but "Malaga" (no accent) is the English word for this area and city. See Project:Article naming conventions for details. --(WT-en) Evan 05:12, 15 Feb 2004 (EST)

 * I moved Benalmàdena Costa to Benalmadena Costa, as the link on the Malaga page was changed. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:06, 6 Apr 2004 (EDT)

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Talk:Bend

Recent info gutted
I just gutted the article. Sections were cut-n-pasted from Wikipedia, the Chamber of Commerce, Visitor Info websites, etc. So I cut everything that had the appearance of being copied (thank God marketese is pretty obvious). I managed to leave in the basic facts, names, and website links. -- (WT-en) Colin 01:26, 10 March 2006 (EST)

 * I am very disapointed that you gutted this article, I had contributed to a few different sections relating to where to stay in Bend. I did not copy these articles from any other cite, I have been travleing to Bend since I was a young child and these were my own thoughts on these resorts.  I am also contributing to this cite for a class at Oregon State, and other students will be judging my work.  I was frustrated to return to the cite to see my contributions deleted and then accused of coping the work.  As I repost this information I am telling you that I have not copied these remarks, and to please not delete them. Kaylee Pfennig-pfennigk

 * All of your old contributions are available by clicking on the "History" tab from the article page. Alternatively, you can just go to this link.  Copyright is taken very, very seriously here, so if any contribution is found to have come from another source (such as Wikipedia or a Chamber of Commerce site) that throws all contributions from that user into question and we often just revert the changes.  Any original work is much appreciated and very welcome, however, so please feel free to restore whatever are your own thoughts. -- (WT-en) Ryan 15:06, 16 March 2006 (EST)

Just got back from Bend-had a great time! Impressed with the amount of activities, physical beauty of the area, the people. No mention in of McMenamins anywhere. Fantastic place-movie theatre, accomodations, Turkish bath, pubs and restaraunts. Centrally located, price is right. Hope to return!

Restaurant
What should be the criteria for add restaurants? Right now it seems like editor could add whatever restaurants they like.
 * Technically, they can add any restaurant they like (and anyone can come along later and delete a restaurant they don't think should be there). Basically there really is no hard criteria.
 * Personally, I try to only add local restaurants (instead of chain restaurants; you can find those anywhere) - ones that are popular with locals, or a critic's favorite, or famous for something else (good views? historic? made out of LEGOs?). In other words, a restaurant I would recommend to visiting friends, to show off my town (if I lived there). (WT-en) Army of me 20:49, 3 February 2011 (EST)
 * Also, if you are familiar with this town, feel free to delete any restaurants you don't think should be there (if they're crappy, whatever) and add your own. If someone disagrees with you, I'm sure we'll find out (or at least that's the idea!). Wikivoyage is not the Yellow Pages; we shouldn't be listing every restaurant in Bend unless they are actually worth someone's time (imagine if you were visiting there as a tourist). (WT-en) Army of me 20:51, 3 February 2011 (EST)

Promote to Guide status?
What does it take to promote this article to Guide? /Yvwv (talk) 00:13, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Bendigo

I've tidied up some of the grammar and added some new information. Because i lived there i never had reason to use the hotels so if someone could fill in the sleep section that would be great. --(WT-en) Joanna h 04:30, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

I'm formulating the following as a "stay safe" subsection. Does it look OK? ''Bendigo is generally a safe city, although like anywhere it is important to take common sense safety precautions. If you plan to take in some of the Bendigo night life be careful about protecting yourself from drink spiking and don't walk between venues alone late at night. Thefts from cars do sometimes occur so if possible do not leave valuables, including GPS systems, in your car.'' (WT-en) Joanna h 10:52, 3 January 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Bengali phrasebook

Pronunciation guide
This is way too technical. A pronunciation guide for a travel guide should not be an overview of the language's phonology, it should be a quick guide to pronouncing the alphabet and the transliterated phrases below. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:17, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

 * First, to the anon who fixed up the pronunciation guide, thanks! But I'm confused by the two last edits, which removed the existing translations/transliterations (which admittedly were not very useful to begin with) and then replaced them with phonetic transliterations of the English phrases. The phrase lists are meant to contain both and only 1) the direct translation (untransliterated), and 2) a pseudo-phonetic transliteration of the translated phrase (so, a pseudo-phonetic transliteration of the Bengali). --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:04, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

Bengali phrasebook needs some help
I have cleaned up the phrasebook to comply with Phrasebook article template and added Bengali phrases for two different national varieties: one for India/West Bengal (Standard Bengali) and the other for Bangladesh. However, since I'm not fully aware of the Bangladeshi dialect (my dialect corresponds to Standard Bengali), I need some help from Bangladeshis. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:40, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Benin

Questions without answers
I removed these questions from the article. ''what is the money value there? how is the system set up in Benin compared to America? what is the current exchange rate?''. --(WT-en) Evan 19:07, 19 December 2006 (EST)

Travel info lost?
These edits seem to have lost some info — by accident or on purpose? (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:51, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

Regions
I'm not at all convinced that Benin needs region articles. At least not until we've started writing articles on tiny villages in the country. I'd like to merge content from the current articles (of which there really is none) back into this one under the regions heading. We could also subdivide the cities section by region. Thoughts? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:07, 6 January 2009 (EST)

 * I know little about the country, but my first reaction is to agree with Peter. Content-wise, it certainly does not need regionalising. I think Benin is one of the more visited countries in West Africa (?) as it is stable, but given its relatively small size and our content, I would say no regions. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:05, 22 January 2010 (EST)

I must disagree. Benin is a little larger than Bulgaria and roughly the same size as Pennsylvania (which has 7 regions). Since it lies perpendicular to the coast, that should be a clue that like other nearby countries, the landscape goes from coastal plains to forests to savanna. Unlike in neighboring Togo, there's no clear middle section and there's no dominating ethnicities across broad region, so simply dividing the country into north (4 northern provinces) & south (Collines southward) is the minimum that can be done. This roughly corresponds to the Muslim/Christian and savanna/forests divisions of the country. (WT-en) AHeneen 03:54, 28 January 2010 (EST)

 * Hmm, based on other maps I've been looking at (population, topography , economic activity , etc. ), I'd lean towards including Collines in the north, actually. Since the north is much less populous, it should be ok re: content to have the north region much larger than the south. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:29, 7 February 2010 (EST)

 * I'm ok with that. (WT-en) AHeneen 23:08, 8 February 2010 (EST)

 * Done. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:21, 9 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Ben Nevis

Is an Itinerary the best format for this? With Ben Nevis having no real content for Sleep, Buy, Eat, Drink sections I thought it looked the most suitable template. (WT-en) Andyfarrell 02:58, 18 August 2009 (EDT)

I think it's a Park. Eat, sleep etc is mostly down in the base town of Fort William, with this page concentrating on the mountain itself.

So I've updated aiming at the fit but casual hill-walker, and not attempting the detail set out in Ledge Route and the Carn Mor Dearg Arete (Ben Nevis). Grahamsands (talk) 22:01, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Beppu

Eat
Wondering if anyone who's been to Beppu knows the name of the place on Ekimae-dori, close to the F.T.I.O (and a couple blocks short of Route 10) that has the English sign out front about wanting to hear your stories (something like "if we can't understand you, gestures are okay!"). It has two counters, salmon-colored tops with faded lime green walls, and improbably delicious ¥830 yakisoba sets (seriously, it rewrote my opinion of how good yakisoba could be) and equally good ramen (according to my friend). I want to give it a write-up, but I have no idea what the name was. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 08:02, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

See
Having just been to Beppu this month, it was surprising to find a lot of outdated info. For instance, as alluded to in http://www.japanvisitor.com/index.php?cID=458&pID=2578 the museum is closed. Also, the 9th and 10th hells, I discovered, went belly up about 3-4 years ago.

 * This website is maintained by volunteer editors, so if you know there is information up that's outdated, please plunge forward and edit the article. Thanks! (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 18:13, 28 April 2012 (EDT)

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Talk:Berastagi

Wrong info! Sipiso-piso Falls and Lake Toba (Tongging) is far from Berastagi. It takes approx. 2 hours to get to Lake Toba (Tongging) and Sipiso-piso Falls. 125.165.36.87 10:33, 14 September 2010 (EDT)

I have moved Sipiso-piso and Tongging reference to Lake Toba article. More appropriate over there. The price and transport reference seems need checking as I don't think the price is acceptable as of now. --Sylphar (talk) 03:52, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Ice juice and other things from the 1970s
Way back in 1976, my parents and I had the best ice juice we had in Indonesia in Berastagi, or maybe it was Kabanjahe. Either way, it was chocolate/avocado ice juice. Is ice juice still a thing in Indonesia, and is Berastagi a particularly good place to get it?

Unrelated: Berastagi is the only placed where we faced open hostility for being white people. We spoke fluent Malay, too, which undoubtedly helped us really greatly in most places in Indonesia that we visited (they said we spoke "Bahasa Dusun" - village language - and that was pretty accurate!) but some teenagers threw pieces of hard dirt like rocks at my mother, calling us "Belanda" (Dutch). We said we were not Belanda but orang Amerika, and they continued throwing. It's a long time ago; is Berastagi friendly to white people now? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:24, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Berbera

VFD Discussion

 * No content (WT-en) –sumone10154 20:03, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
 * Keep - I've boosted the article significantly in an effort to save it from deletion. Please take another look, as it's much better now. (WT-en)  J ames A    >talk 02:46, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

 * Keep this and all the others proposed with "No content" as a reason for deletion. That is not a reason for deletion according to Project:Deletion policy.
 * Many of the others should be redirected, but this one is a simple keep. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Pashley (talk • contribs)

Result: Kept. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:14, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

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Talk:Berea (Kentucky)

Learning
(WT-en) Texugo... the "Learn" section isn't relevant to travelers? I would actually agree with you except there's lots of precedent for it in print guide books and on Wikivoyage. Pick any big city in the U.S., they all have a Learn section. --(WT-en) BigPeteB 11:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
 * It's fine to have a Learn section if the listings offer something for the traveller. A four-year college where you must demonstrate a financial need and preferably be from Appalachia clearly doesn't qualify for something that a traveller might do during his vacation. (WT-en) texugo 11:17, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Bergama

Talk
So I'm not sure about whether to include this in the main article, since I'm pretty sure it's illegal and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone that isn't aware of the risk. But, to get into the Acropolis you can just take the cable car up one way (4 TL) and then go to the right around the vendors. From there, follow the dirt road near where the cars park up maybe 50 meters, and head to the right around the ruins. You will see a trail that will put you inside the park in less than a minute of walking. If you go when there are a lot of people, you likely won't be noticed. Again, I'm not recommending it, it's just an option if you are traveling on a tight budget. (WT-en) Intheback 13:18, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

 * See Project:Illegal activities policy for guidelines concerning possibly illegal activities. While this might be a useful tip, if it's not legal it shouldn't go in the main article as Wikivoyage doesn't want to encourage illegal acts. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:22, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Bergamo

I find this edit by 87.2.92.44 on 07:04, 5 December 2005 dubious: "Buses to the city are Euro 1.25 per trip."

I added the bus price of 1.50 as that is what I actually paid at the airport. I suspect the anon has copied 1.25 from the website which describes a different bus route.

Also, I do not undertsand why my comment that busses are neither reliable nor punctual was removed. I was only yesterday in Lombardy and I did not see any improvement, and a few days earlier experienced first hand what happens when trains get delayed (for example). The unreliableness covers trains and busses, and has not changed as far as my actual experience is concerned as of 2006 June. I think it amiss that the traveller not be warned about such likelihoods. Meanwhile I will add some text to explain that the airport is being partlyt rebuilt and this leads to further delays for those that hire cars (around 10 minutes extra).-(WT-en) Wikibob | [[User talk:Wikibob|Talk]] 18:37, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Bergen

Picture
I've read that pictures are necessary: this one (mine, CC-ed) could be used (if the queslity is considered acceptable by the community): http://www.flickr.com/photos/i_am_neuron/1303785088 This is somewhere nearby Bergen YMCA hostel; either Nedre Korskirkeallmenningen (Torget is to my left), or the next one, parallel street (locals, please correct). I've browsed through the rest of my pictures from Norway, but this is the only one of Bergen, which passes my internal quality control. (WT-en) I-am-neuron 12:39, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Research links
Ext links deleted from the article which may be useful as research links
 * http://www.bergen-guide.com

Disambiguation or Famous?
Hello! The name "Bergen" is also the often used short name of the town "Bergen auf Rügen" on the island called "Rügen" in Baltic Sea, the capital town of the administrative district Rügen (district) in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania, Germany. --(WT-en) Atlas 04:22, 1 Feb 2006 (EST)
 * There is also Bergen (North Dakota), Bergen County, Bergen (New Jersey) but I think being the second city of Norway makes it more a famous place. The other Bergens could be mentioned on a Bergen (disambiguation) page, once people write articles about them. -- (WT-en) Huttite 05:14, 1 Feb 2006 (EST)

The famous Royksopp is from Bergen just thought you would like to know! (WT-en) Traveler2006 13:52, 28 March 2006 (EST)
 * Nope, they are not, they are from Tromsø, they only live here.

Varg Vikernes
I don't think that there should be so much about Varg Vikernes' trial under the section about Fantoft stave church. Maybe a line about the fact that a satanist most probably was responsible for the arson, but I think it's wrong to give the entire history of the case here – that belongs in Wikipedia and is of no interest to the average traveler. Unless someone can convince me not to, I will rewrite the paragraph and remove some of the info. --80.202.102.202 16:10, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

Prostitution
The article claims the following: "At Strandkaien and in Strandgaten, you'll find Bergen's red light district at night. As prostitution is legal in Norway, it is unfortunately very visible. Prostitutes can be very ongoing. Although the risk of getting in to trouble is very low, families should be aware of the area, as not to expose their children to the sad reality. "

It is true that there might be some prostitutes in this area. However they are very reare to be seen. Personally I have been living many years in Bergen, and have seen prostitutes there only a few times. I disagree that this is a large problem in Bergen.

As a 3rd. opinion i would say that prostitution is visible in Bergen if you are in Strandgaten. I used to live in that area before and if i was walking alone you could be sure to get at least one confrontation by one of the 3-4girls. If you stay outside of these areas prostitution is not a large problems and people should generally stay away from these areas.

To do
This article needs:
 * A thorough spell check and language cleanup
 * A map
 * Pictures - there is quite a few on Flickr that may be used. Of those in the article, some should probably be replaced or removed.
 * Add information about accessibility for the disabled
 * Re-style listings, add tags and coordinates
 * Understand
 * History
 * Climate
 * Geography, surroundings
 * Culture
 * Patriotism
 * Soccer
 * Get in
 * Visa and passport requirements, EU, Schengen
 * By plane
 * Airport café - prices
 * Car rental
 * See
 * Johanneskirken
 * Mariakirken
 * Bergen museum
 * The Arboretum and Botanical Garden
 * Gamle Bergen
 * Bergen Maritime Museum
 * Leprosy museum
 * Alvøen
 * Lysøen
 * Buekorpsmuseet
 * Pepperkakebyen
 * Bryggen
 * More about history and the situation today
 * Museums
 * Bryggens museum (put it in the Bryggen section)
 * The Hanseatic Museum (put it in the Bryggen section)
 * Theta museum
 * Do
 * Hiking ( rewrite, add some more recommended trips). Freedom to roam.
 * Diving
 * Bathing
 * Guided tours, sightseeing
 * Concerts
 * Bergen Philharmonic Orchestra
 * Bergen Live
 * Bergen jazzforum
 * Swing 'n' sweet
 * Theater
 * Den Nationale Scene
 * Teatergarasjen
 * Events
 * Nattjazz
 * Bergenfest
 * Bergen International Festival
 * 17 May
 * Lysfesten
 * BIFF
 * Learn (general expansion)
 * Buy
 * Shops
 * Husfliden
 * Rubens varme gleder
 * Blonder og stas
 * Julehuset
 * ZUMM design
 * Troll
 * Juhl's silver gallery
 * Kjøttbasaren
 * Shopping centers
 * Tax free shopping
 * Eat
 * Add some a few more words about local food
 * Add more listings, especially budget and splurge
 * Drink
 * Structure - divide listings into groups
 * Sleep
 * Camping. Freedom to camp.
 * More mid-range and splurge hotels
 * Add more accomodation options
 * Cope - should be organized a bit better, add some words about religious services, and about language
 * Get out
 * Norway in a nutshell?
 * The fjords?
 * Øygarden?
 * Mjølfjell
 * Voss
 * Flåm, Flåmsbanen
 * Flåm, Flåmsbanen

Excellent!
This article is great! I've nominated it for DOTM May 2008. However, my one concern is that some parts of this — eg. every man's right, the bits about Norwegian police and so on — belong more in the Norway article than here.

And an OSM map of Bergen that could be used for Wikivoyage is now available here. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:08, 9 February 2008 (EST)

 * Finally someone else! I feel like I have been working on this article for ages, I thought I was all alone in here… I'm the guy who did most of the work. I prefer not to register so it's a bit hard to trace it. Anyway, I'm glad you're happy with the article. I'm not sure I think it's ready to be DOTM yet (but it might be by May), in some places I think it's too extensive (I just removed some of what you mentioned), and at least the bold parts of the to do-list above should be fixed. I've tried to make a map, but I'm afraid it's beyond my level of understanding. I hope that someone can help me out. 80.202.112.184 08:45, 10 February 2008 (EST)

 * Please do make sure the content is already in the Norway article before you remove anything...

 * And if you click on the URL above, you'll get a usable street map of Bergen. Cut out the parts you don't need, add icons on top for hotels, restaurants etc and you're set!  (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:57, 10 February 2008 (EST)

 * It is. And I will. At least try. 80.202.112.184 15:36, 10 February 2008 (EST)

 * That map thing really beats me. I neither have the software nor the knowledge. I mean, I could always find a way to make an ugly raster map, but I don't think it's right to put that much work in something that should be replaced after all. I cross my fingers and hope that someone who have made a Wikivoyage style map before will come and rescue me (I will of course help out as good as I can). 80.202.112.184, now 129.177.169.42 11:34, 12 February 2008 (EST)

 * I finally figured things out. Working on a map now. 129.177.169.42, now 84.48.163.223 05:52, 10 April 2008 (EDT)

Aquavit
Great Infobox about aquavit. But I think this belongs to the article about Norway. Since aquavit is a tradition not special only for Bergen, but rather for all of Norway. (WT-en) ViMy 12:52, 15 February 2009 (EST)

 * I concur, that infobox fits better for the Norway guide... --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 13:31, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Can this article become a star ?
Maybe. But then we need a map. Are ther anyone out there that can make maps. I have tried to figure out how to do it. But ... (WT-en) ViMy 07:01, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

 * Try Project:How to draw a map! It might require some time at first, but everyone can do it. This article is of great quality and I think it can be nominated for star when a map is present. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:10, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

 * I have. What I could not figure out is how to aquire a base map. I understand how to place symbols. (WT-en) ViMy 16:21, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

 * It's easy and also explained there. In short, visit, search for 'Bergen', then press Export. There you can create a PNG base map which you can import into Inkscape. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 12:06, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

This is indeed a great article. I cropped and brightened the lead image, but I'm still not sure it's the best for the top of the article, as it is fairly colorless. I would also encourage you to spread the images out a bit throughout the article, to break up the large sections of black on white text, and to enlarge the pictures a bit. Currently, they are all using the syntax "thumb|right", but "right" is redundant, and could be replaced with "260px" or "280px"—something like that.

Some work left to be done, but it would be fantastic to see our first Norwegian star! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:10, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

 * Yeah. There has to be done something with the pictures. (WT-en) ViMy 12:36, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

 * I had to remove the 260/280 px setting from the pictures, as it caused some kind of weird software error. 129.177.48.174 05:13, 15 October 2010 (EDT)

See and Drink
This section are organized by districts. Should drink be aranged by price range. And See alpabheticly? What do you think ? (WT-en) ViMy 15:34, 20 July 2010 (EDT)

 * I can't find anything about this in the Manual of style, but I think it is a bad idea to rearrange the sections. It's much more convenient for people who visit the city to have a list of bars and attractions organised by area, it will make it easier to navigate. 129.177.48.174 05:12, 15 October 2010 (EDT)

 * Guidelines on how to arrange drink lists: Project:Bar_listings 81.191.106.197 05:54, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

Alternative banner for this article?
In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:29, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I think the existing one gives a much better impression of the place. The proposed change is kind of nice, but it's another zoomed out cityscape that could be almost anywhere and gives little local flavor. Texugo (talk) 02:40, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd phrase it differently, but with the same upshot: The new banner would be perfectly fine if this article had no good banner already, but not as a replacement for the current one, which is better. It's more interesting to look at all those pretty houses than at the panorama. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:02, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I remember visiting Bergen by ferry for the first time and seeing those houses :) Yes, the proposal would not be an improvement at all. Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:27, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That line of houses is Bergen's trademark, and a UNESCO heritage site. Better keep it. --Erik den yngre (talk) 19:37, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep old banner,• • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 19:40, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Older banner preferred Matroc (talk) 03:08, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Umbrella
Essential photo --Erik den yngre (talk) 16:18, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Bergen (Germany)

Article name
From a comment left on my talk page:

 * Hi. I see you have moved the above article. However, there are at least 16 Bergens in Germany, so we may have to rethink the name again in future. --(WT-en) SaxonWarrior 14:01, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

Since this is currently the only "Bergen" article for Germany the name "Bergen (Germany)" should be OK for now, but in the future if other "Bergen" articles for cities in Germany are created it will create some confusion - Project:Article naming conventions doesn't currently seem to have a good solution for cases where there are multiple cities at the same level of the geographic hierarchy, so if we need to deal with this issue the article naming convention will require some discussion. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:21, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

Quickbar
We don't use quickbars for cities, so I'm putting it here. (WT-en) texugo 01:07, 9 September 2011 (EDT)

Buy section
It's not something we usually list, since travellers are not at home doing household do-it-yourself repairs, so I'm pull these for the article and listing them here for reference:

DIY/Household

 * furniture, bedding and household

E-Mail: info@hoopmannritterbusch.de
 * This is the local DIY store, one of the bigger stores in the surrounding area, everything you may need for doing up the house or garden, staff are very helpful, some English spoken.

 * General electrical store with every thing from travel adaptors to washing machines, they have a workshop on the premises so if you need repairs give them a go.Also do top up cards for a range of mobile phones. All of the staff speak English

(WT-en) texugo 07:28, 19 September 2011 (EDT)

Pagebanner
As this article has guide status but no banner, does anybody have a good idea for one? Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:05, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Was thinking of merging in the information and banner from Belsen and redirect that page here. --Traveler100 (talk) 13:56, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Berhampur

The place name is not Perhampur.. it is Berhampur

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Talk:Berkeley (disambiguation)

Berkeley (California)
Would it perhaps be better for Berkeley to be moved to Berkeley (disambiguation) and Berkeley (California) to be moved here? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 12:34, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

 * I think so. —Granger (talk · contribs) 16:52, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Would we need consensus for that kind of page move? (of more than 2 people) --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 17:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd say let's just wait a couple days to see if anyone objects. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:14, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes. This is obviously the biggest and best-known Berkeley on the list. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:42, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Add my voice to the two person consensus... Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:03, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There is also the city of Berkeley in England that would presumably be better known to Europeans. Let's ask some of them for their opinions.
 * What do you think? The dog2 (talk) 21:14, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

 * The English Berkeley is only a little village, which I couldn't tell you anything about.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that Berkeley Square in London is possibly as well known as the village of Berkeley (England), due the the song, "A Nightingale Sang in Berkeley Square". The Berkeley (California) is probably better known unless you are in Gloucestershire. It looks like both articles are missing diambig links in the pagebanner, but do any moving first. AlasdairW (talk) 22:23, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I've moved the pages and checked Wikidata. Is there anything else I need to do to complete the page move? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 20:29, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Go to the pages which have moved and click on "What links here" to check that all the incoming links are pointing at the correct page. It is important to change any pages which are themselves redirects, e.g. Berkeley, ca as double redirect don't work. There are about 30 article pages to edit. Have fun! AlasdairW (talk) 21:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Berkeley

Anyone know of any reliable and informative online restaurant guides?--(WT-en) Jiang 04:28, 20 Feb 2004 (EST)

For Berkeley, not so much. I usually use CitiSearch or word of mouth. But hey, we're trying to build one here, no?  -- (WT-en) Anca

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I wonder if we shouldn't split up the dining listings by Neighborhood (Downtown, Telegraph, 4th Street, Elmwood, Rockridge, etc...) -- (WT-en) Anca

I agree that we should either split up dining listings by neighborhood or remove the neighborhood labels all together. I looked at several other cities of similar size and it seems as though having it broken down by neighborhood is not the mode, but perhas it would be more useful. either way, i think as it is now is poorly organized--Tiddigariddiga (talk) 03:37, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Research Links
Useful links for doing research about Berkeley:

 * Berkeley Wiki

Revision
Looking over and updating the listings - a lot of things have moved or closed or changed since this was first posted - the map's going to need to be completely remade. L. Challenger (talk) 00:42, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Bars
Most of this section is a mixture of bars, pubs and includes restaurants that have full bars - I'm of a mind to separate them out. L. Challenger (talk) 05:25, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

 * By all means, go ahead! Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:00, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Bullet List Hell
So, tried moving around some of an improperly-alphabetized list, only to have the formatting just go completely haywire - it's going to make adding new things to the list very difficult. L. Challenger (talk) 20:25, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Tried it with the visual editor - worked out fine. It's happening because Buy is a nested bullet list. L. Challenger (talk) 20:30, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Ashkenaz Music & Dance category
It's a music and dance center that offers a variety of classes as well as food and drink - so I am puzzled about just where to put it. L. Challenger (talk) 04:38, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

 * You can pick the category it's best known for - if it's primarily a restaurant then "Eat", if it's primarily a dance center then "Do". -- Ryan • (talk) • 04:43, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

 * It is definitely primarily known for dancing - the whole website is nonstop dance - that solves the puzzle nicely - thank you! L. Challenger (talk) 09:29, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Buy (again)
because of the way Buy is organized - or more importantly how it's showing more a list of neighborhoods than anything else - I may need to figure out how to actually show the locations instead of just a list of bullet points. There used to be a way of showing all the addresses for a given company, but I am not sure that's how it's handled anymore. L. Challenger (talk) 20:08, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Get Around, Ride Sharing, etc.
I plan to add a section to Berkeley the same way I did for Oakland for ride and char sharing and rentals and such. Also - the Claremont has an entire phonebook of numbers for access, a stack of toll-free numbers and international numbers as well. L. Challenger (talk) 07:21, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Eat
So, there's a few listings that are more or less part of a collection of eateries in a single location - Durant Center for one. I have a couple of these listed, but I am wondering if I should list them all, under a specific location heading. Berkeley's like this - lots of foodie spots. L. Challenger (talk) 12:00, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Lockdowns/Social Distancing Rules
I am planning to add a big note at the top concerning procedures needed and enforced in the years of COVID-19. L. Challenger (talk) 02:16, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

 * Some note is probably needed, as Berkeley is a bit different from the rest of the area. What do you mean by a big note, though? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:53, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Featured destination?
Is this article good enough for Dotm? Or is something missing? /Yvwv (talk) 00:38, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

The Pier
I have deleted the listing for the Marina/Pier - the pier is crumbling and there is still no timeline or definitive answer as to when it will be renovated and open to the public once again, as of this writing. L. Challenger (talk) 00:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Berkshire

In putting Berkshire into the Manual of Style, I removed the comment about the cities not being cities in the American sense of the word. I did this because Wikivoyage only has "Cities" as a heading - there is no option to use "Towns", for example - so I think it is a given that not all places named under the "Cities" heading are actually cities.

If we need to explain this (I agree that it might be worth mentioning), in my opinion it should be addressed at a higher level, eg. at the England or UK level, otherwise it would need to be said at every single UK page. - (WT-en) Sjc196 05:42, 17 May 2004 (EDT)

 * That is a good point. I'm perhaps a bit hyper-sensitive about this issue because my home town (Reading) has recently lost out in the millenium city beauty contest, and it is quite a hot issue. For example, the local bus company just got vilified in the local press letters columns for putting 'City Centre' on their destination blinds. I know it seems trivial, but I wouldn't like a wikivoyage-user to walk blind into that controversy. However on reflection that is a local issue and is covered by a para in the Understand section of the Reading page. Thanks for the explanation -- (WT-en) chris_j_wood 12:46, 17 May 2004 (EDT)

Reverted Changes By 80.229.39.194
I've reverted these changes out, as the previously editor obviously misunderstood the reason the para on county boundaries was there. This isn't WikiPedia, and the comments were not an academic discussion on whether Berkshire still exists, and if so with what boundaries. Rather they were an attempt to explain the boundaries of the Wikivoyage article entitled Berkshire.

80.229.39.194 - I appreciate the wording is a bit overblown, and you were probably trying to make it more concise. By all means improve the wording, but we still need to explain to the traveller the particular arbitrary definition adopted for Berkshire in the context of this article. -- (WT-en) Chris j wood 19:46, 10 Aug 2004 (EDT)

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Talk:Berkshires

Comments by an anonymous user in the article says: Please note that this section should be properly known as the Berkshire Hills, not the Berkshire Mountains.'

 * So I am moving the page based on this information. -- (WT-en) Huttite 20:47, 24 Mar 2005 (EST)
 * Good to know thank you --(WT-en) LebronJames23 05:44, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

=Name?=

Any reason in particular this is called "Berkshire Hills"? I've never heard anyone refer to the region by that name. Why not "the Berkshires"? This is what people actually call it.Godsendlemiwinks (talk) 22:55, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

 * That's what I've heard, too, and I've heard "Berkshire Mountains," not "Berkshire Hills." Mount Greylock, Mount Washington, Butternut Mountain, etc., are not called hills. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Proposal to rename to 'The Berkshires'
This page should match its Wikipedia counterpart.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Berkshires

Countyparkour (talk) 12:48, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

 * Agree, this should absolutely be renamed to "The Berkshires". --ButteBag (talk) 03:26, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

 * Sure. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:30, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

 * This was never resolved. I plan to take care of this within 48 hours unless there's an objection. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:13, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Done, but with no "The". Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:53, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Unpopular merge proposal
I find the cities list quite difficult to make sense of, and I've been to the area! Any appetite for a little merging? The articles linked in parenthesis below would be merged into the bolded article, so imagine the text in the parens not being there. Anyway, I know I'm usually too aggressive with what I think is acceptable to merge, so please let me know if you have any ideas. Thanks! We'd need to add a new "Rural Berkshires" page, maybe something like this -> User:ButteBag/Rural_Berkshires?

Cities:
 * Adams (Cheshire, New Ashford, Savoy) — Distinct from its bigger brother to the north, Adams is known as the birthplace of Susan B. Anthony.
 * Great Barrington (Alford, Egremont, Mount Washington, Sheffield) — A compact downtown with restaurants, shops, specialty stores, banks, and more. Easy and safe mobility options often find Great Barrington a place on tourism top 10 lists.
 * Hancock — Home to Jiminy Peak ski area and Ramblewild, a tree-top forest adventure park.
 * Lanesborough — Gateway to Mt. Greylock and the Ashuwillticook Rail Trail. Small family-owned and operated farms dot this country town.
 * Lenox (Richmond, Stockbridge, West Stockbridge) — Home to Tanglewood Music Center, Kripalu, Cranwell, Canyon Ranch, Shakespeare & Company, and more. Downtown Lenox is bustling with artisan shops and lots of tasty restaurants.
 * North Adams (Clarksburg, Florida) — North Adams is the Berkshires' second largest city, boasting the expansive MassMOCA art museum as well as two state parks. The Mohawk Trail's western terminus can be found found right here.
 * Pittsfield — The Berkshires' largest city at around 44,000, plays host to shopping, museums, hotels, and restaurants. The former home of Herman Melville; author of Moby Dick, is here as well.
 * Rural Berkshires (Becket, Dalton, Hinsdale, Lee, Monterey, New Marlborough, Otis, Peru, Sandisfield, Tyringham, Washington, Windsor) — Get way off the beaten path in this quiet corner of the Berkshires.
 * Williamstown — Home of Williams College, The Clark Art Institute, the Williams College Museum of Art, and the Williamstown Theatre Festival.

--ButteBag (talk) 03:39, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

 * I tend to disagree. Each village has its own character. I certainly wouldn't merge Stockbridge with anything, nor Sheffield, and probably not Lee. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:37, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed with Ikan. The problem with the "Cities" section is that half of the items on the list are either redlinks or regular non-linked bullet points. Eliminate those and you've got a much more manageable list. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:52, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments Ikan and Andre! In a certain sense I agree with you guys, but I remain generally confused.
 * I totally agree each village has its own character. Totally. But I don't understand how merging articles would demean the individual spirit of each location. What's wrong with enumerating the details in the understand section, demoed in my Rural Berkshires article?
 * I also agree this would be easier to remove the redlinked and unlinked cities from the list. But isn't WV supposed to cover every place on the globe without overlap? How could we delete the town names while retaining full coverage?
 * To think about it another way, my question is basically the same as the most recent Pub question. This user got the advice to jam everything into a small city article, with the option of splitting it out down the road when/if it becomes too big. This is basically the advice I'd like to get, lol, so I'm wondering what the differences here are. Thanks! --ButteBag (talk) 01:29, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Lee has a 1-mile-long downtown now? If so, it's not rural, IMO. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:48, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, I think there's a bit of a practical difference between starting a new article and merging existing articles. I'll say this: Some of these places may in fact be too small for their own article. But, for example, in the case of Stockbridge, not only is it a small town of character, but I brought up the idea of including South Lee in the Stockbridge article. So on the whole, I'm not opposed to your idea; I just think you're going further than I'm comfortable with in that direction. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:37, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Ha, yes, I don't know much about Lee's downtown area. I was just reorganizing the content we already have to provide an example implementation. I still don't get why having an individual page for a given location affords it additional character. Maybe if there were some little template showing the population, land area, and elevation? That could make each place more of a "thing", when they're being show in list form. Anyway, thanks! --ButteBag (talk) 18:51, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Western MA Merging?
Hello! Any interest in a little merging? The one new article this would generate could look like this? Thanks! --ButteBag (talk) 00:22, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Red links and mere names
Moved from the article. Bottom-level region articles need to list all blue-linked city articles breadcrumbed to them but do not need to list red links or mere names, especially as the "Cities" section in this article is a very long list even with just blue links. However, if anyone starts articles about them (particularly Dalton, I think, which has a lot of content below), we can create 1-liner listings for them and restore them as blue links to the article.

 * Alford
 * - Clarksburg State forest offers recreation.
 * - The Appalachian Trail runs right through the center of Dalton, and many hikers can be seen staying in the home and camping on the lawn of local resident Tom Levardi on Depot St where hikers are welcomed. Dalton is also the home of Crane and Co. which has made the US currency and security papers for more than two centuries. There's a saying about the town that "the buck starts here". The Housatonic River winds south through Dalton and then through many other towns in Berkshire County on its 139-mile journey to the Long Island Sound. Dalton's surrounding mountains well exemplifies the many rolling hills for which the county is noted. One well-known and often visited location east of town off of Route 9 is Wahconah Falls State Park. Water flows from the reservoir above down in a beautifully tiered fashion alongside a scenic hiking trail, culminating in a spectacular descent into a deep pool. Legend has it that a love-sick Indian maiden named Wahconah jumped to her death there. However, upon further investigation, and contrary to this local lore, an article on web paints a decidedly happier tale of the Indian maiden's fate. This version of the story reflects a more endearing twist in which an English soldier wins the heart and hand of young Wahconah.
 * - a town bordering Great Barrington, points of interest include Jug End State Forest, the Old Mill restaurant, and many other shops in the small village.
 * - a small village outside of Great Barrington. Cute and petite downtown with a library, General Store, and Fire Station.
 * Richmond
 * Sandisfield
 * Savoy
 * Tyringham
 * Washington
 * Windsor
 * Washington
 * Windsor

Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:50, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Hinsdale added - it linked to a village in Chicagoland. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:59, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Subdivide?
With only blue-linked cities that link to the right state remaining, there are still 19. Should we divide "Cities" into subsections, such as "North Berkshires" and "South Berkshires"? If so, where would the dividing line be? Lenox and further north vs. everything to its south? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:11, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Sounds like a great idea! In some of the other sub-regions to the east, I've been pulling "cities" to the top, then subheading the list. My personal "city" guideline is +50k population or maybe has some important tourist destination linked from a parent page. Splitting the rest into the north/south subsections you suggested might get this list under control. ButteBag (talk) 20:59, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

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