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Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/July 2006

Archive for Project:Votes for deletion acted on in July 2006. If you can't find the chronicle that interests you here, try Project:Votes for deletion/June 2006 or Project:Votes for deletion/August 2006 for things that may have happened earlier or later, respectively.

Tomer

 * Delete. A "what up to my homies" page that was blanked.  Wikipedia doesn't list any place by this name, but maybe someone has heard of one.  Delete otherwise. -- (WT-en) Ryan 00:22, 19 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Maybe redirect to Tomar? That's what I thought of when I saw it... (WT-en) Majnoona 01:11, 19 June 2006 (EDT)
 * It doesn't seem worth the effort to redirect to a nonexistent page. Just delete the thing. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:23, 1 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Since there isn't anything to redirect to I agree with Bill. -- (WT-en) Ryan 12:33, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

Birdwatching in Peru

 * Delete. It is only one sentence long; incorporate in Peru and scrap this. (WT-en) Pashley 09:21, 21 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Checking history, I find that the only time it had more than a sentence of text, (WT-en) Cjensen deleted it as a copyvio. He was right, source is here (WT-en) Pashley 09:35, 21 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 03:56, 24 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Redirect to Peru. --(WT-en) Evan 20:47, 27 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Problem is, there is no Peru#Do. Just delete. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:34, 1 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. Agree with Bill. -- (WT-en) Ryan 12:33, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

Ross

 * Delete. Two articles for the same village because Ross in Tasmania is more precise keep this one. There are several Ross at Wikivoyage. I guess, we need a disambiguation side. Could somebody do it, who knows how? (WT-en) Jan 09:06, 03 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Where is the other "Ross"? If there is more than one town named Ross, the Tasmania one should be Ross (Tasmania). It doesn't need a delete, just a move. Ross in Tasmania can then redirect to Ross (Tasmania) . (WT-en) Majnoona 11:20, 3 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Ops, I should have looked at the link more closely! I'll make the Project:Disambiguation page as I just remembered there's a least one other Ross (in Marin County California). (WT-en) Majnoona 11:25, 3 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I took the vfd out of the Ross page because Michele turned it into a disambiguation side. There are 8 cities called Ross. I will add the other Ross on the disambiguation page. (WT-en) Jan 02:38, 4 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Keep as new disambiguation page. (WT-en) Hypatia 02:56, 4 July 2006 (EDT)

Gudija Latvija 2006

 * I was tempted to speedy-delete this, for reasons that are obvious when you try to read the article, but on reflection, it may be worth a brief discussion of what to do about stuff on an English-language wiki that's not in English. To speedy-delete or not to speedy-delete?  That is the question.  Is there something more productive to do with it? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 08:50, 20 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep for a few days until the author realizes his/her mistake. A non-English article is obviously not appropriate for an English language site (What language is that?  And what is the article about?) but rather than just getting rid of it let's give the author a chance to comment and perhaps move it somewhere more appropriate. -- (WT-en) Ryan 15:01, 20 June 2006 (EDT)
 * So this article is about a cycling event in Belarus. The article itself is in Lithuanian (I originally thought Latvian). Moon ra attempted to remove the vfd notice. He responded to my comments and asked about starting a Lithuanian version of Wikivoyage. I also asked him/her to translate, and I'd appreciate if other users would do the same and encourage that the article be translated to English so we can see if it complies with the what is an article policy. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 15:32, 20 June 2006 (EDT)
 * If it can be translated it would probably be better to incorporate the information within either the Latvia article or, if it's specific to a region of Latvia, the appropriate region article. With the exception of sporting events that draw millions of visitors and have their own unique logistics (like World Cup 2006 or the Olympics) we generally haven't kept individual articles on sport events.  Also, to clarify your comment above, it's OK for anyone to work with another user to get content in-line with policy, and not just admins.  The only thing special about an admin is that they've been named as glorified janitors and given a few extra cleanup buttons. -- (WT-en) Ryan 15:47, 20 June 2006 (EDT)
 * I reworded my comment to reflect the aforementioned collaboration of all users. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 15:54, 20 June 2006 (EDT)
 * I think that probably the best thing to do here is try to engage the contributor. Does a Lithuanian Wikivoyage Expedition make sense here? Possibly. Does a translated article about the cycle event make sense? Probably not. --(WT-en) Evan 18:14, 20 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Moved to user page, where it will be worked on as the seed of an itinerary in English. --(WT-en) Evan 20:50, 27 June 2006 (EDT)
 * He/she did ask about creating an opportunity for Lithuanian speakers. If you look at the user's talk page I did recommend he/she consider looking into creating a language expedition. Hopefully, he/she will be interested. - Sapphire
 * Meanwhile, the non-English article is expanding rapidly. I sense a slippery slope under construction here... -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:37, 21 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Hello folks. I appreciate your concerns and suggestions (even rather nasty speed-deletion option:). Meanwhile I repeat my explanation,which i've already wrote to (WT-en) Sapphire (where is a whole text? - User talk:(WT-en) Moon ra). This article is not about simple cycling sport event. This is cultural travel. Call it expedition if you wish, but there is no fun. The reasons why article not in english is that at the present it serves mainly as coordination platform and information repository site about possible route, sightseeing opptions, etc., and obviously to translate multiple users information, which has tendency to change rapidly would be more than difficult. Since it's intented to be a trip to rather remote and closed country (Belarus) the information should be important for other people as well, if they ever consider visit these places, cause there is simply no such kind of information available elsewhere. Thus I insist not to delete article but allow us to keep on preparing information. I will personaly translate it after the end of our trip (after June 9th) and that will be shorter version than is now (more addapted to public use). I would suggest to make deletion deadline till 16th June. Regards, User:(WT-en) Moon ra, 27 June 2006

 * So what's the resolution here? I'm glad to see that a possible expedition is being spawned by this, and what people have on their user pages is their own business (within reason).  But can/should the Gudija Latvija 2006 redirect page be removed?  Now that it can be without hindering the expedition, I propose to do so, unless there's a reason not to.  Advise quickly, please. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 10:30, 4 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Per the agreement with Moon ra Evan moved the page and Moon ra only asked that a redirect be in place for a few days. I say remove the redirect and if it really is so important for users we can recreate it later. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 10:35, 4 July 2006 (EDT)

Discovery Museum sacremento

 * Delete. Not an article.  Content is also copyvio.  Anything worth saving should be merged into Sacramento.  We occasionally redirect these types of articles, but the spelling and capitalization of "sacremento" makes this a better candidate for deletion. -- (WT-en) Ryan 13:59, 21 June 2006 (EDT)

Takeshita-Dori

 * Just a narrow alleyway in Tokyo/Harajuku, should be (and is) covered there. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:20, 24 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 03:56, 24 June 2006 (EDT)

Project:Stubs needing attention
See Project:Stubs needing attention for discussion & resolution

 * Redirect to Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Stub. This list is out-of-date, impossible to maintain, and confusing for new users.  Viewing what links to Template:Stub shows what are stub articles, and the individual article talk pages are a more appropriate place for discussion about an article's status.  There has been some discussion about this issue on Project:Stubs needing attention, but posting here to get a bit more visibility. -- (WT-en) Ryan 12:27, 2 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep, and keep the ones below as well. The fact that they aren't being maintained doesn't mean they can't be maintained, and if they could be kept up to date, they'd provide a useful service that's immediately obvious rather than requiring a "trick" to use. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:34, 2 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 13:52, 4 July 2006 (EDT)

Project:Outline articles needing attention
See Project:Stubs needing attention for discussion & resolution

 * Redirect to Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Outline. This list is out-of-date, impossible to maintain, and confusing for new users.  Viewing what links to Template:Outline shows what are outline articles, and the individual article talk pages are a more appropriate place for discussion about an article's status.  There has been some discussion about this issue on Project:Stubs needing attention, but posting here to get a bit more visibility.
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 13:52, 4 July 2006 (EDT)

Project:Usable articles needing attention
See Project:Stubs needing attention for discussion & resolution

 * Redirect to Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Usable. This list is out-of-date, impossible to maintain, and confusing for new users.  Viewing what links to Template:Usable shows what are usable articles, and the individual article talk pages are a more appropriate place for discussion about an article's status.  There has been some discussion about this issue on Project:Stubs needing attention, but posting here to get a bit more visibility.
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 13:52, 4 July 2006 (EDT)

Project:Guide articles needing attention
See Project:Stubs needing attention for discussion & resolution

 * Redirect to Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Guide. This list is out-of-date, impossible to maintain, and confusing for new users.  Viewing what links to Template:Guide shows what are guide articles, and the individual article talk pages are a more appropriate place for discussion about an article's status.  There has been some discussion about this issue on Project:Stubs needing attention, but posting here to get a bit more visibility.
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 13:52, 4 July 2006 (EDT)

Template:Kurzdaten

 * Delete. (WT-en) Andrew added this as a test and put a note on the talk page that it should be deleted on July 21.  Adding here so that we don't forget. -- (WT-en) Ryan 05:00, 6 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. --(WT-en) Evan 15:11, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

Rent a car in Skopje Macedonia

 * Not an article. Speedy-delete?  Please do the honors, as I'm at work and can't admin from here. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:58, 10 July 2006 (EDT)

Travellers checks in singapore

 * Delete. Not an article. -- (WT-en) Colin 16:44, 9 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I think this one qualifies for speedy deletion based on criterion 1. Dissent? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:10, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

Image:NEWYORKAREA.jpg

 * The image has several copyright notices on it indicating that it is not freely licensed, so not compatible with the Project:Copyleft. -- (WT-en) Ryan 15:39, 10 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete... maybe speedy considering the copyvio? (WT-en) Majnoona 16:02, 10 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete, of course... (WT-en) Berru 19:14, 10 July 2006 (EDT)
 * User:(WT-en) Justiceiro created a new map that he created from scratch, so the copyvio can be speedy deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan 01:52, 11 July 2006 (EDT)

List of Russian cities

 * Delete. A list is not generally appropriate: Project:What is an article? -- (WT-en) Colin 11:57, 28 June 2006 (EDT)
 * There are exceptions; e.g List of Indian states and union territories and List of Chinese provinces and regions. Could and should this list become something like that? (WT-en) Pashley 20:06, 30 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. Russia has too many cities for a list to be practical, and a better way to handle this would be eventually to build something based on isIn that can build a hierarchy of what "isIn" Russia, rather than try to manually maintain a list. -- (WT-en) Ryan 12:33, 2 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. I've moved this page to a utility talk page, Talk:Russia/List of Russian cities. It may be useful as input for organizing Russia's geographical hierarchy. --(WT-en) Evan 15:04, 9 July 2006 (EDT)
 * It seems useful on the talk page; there are an awful lot of important Russian cities for which there aren't any articles yet. But is there any reason not to delete the original page itself?  Not obvious to me.  I'd say remove the VFD banner from the talk page and delete the original. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:14, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

Housestead
Housesteads is a Roman fort and associated settlement a few kilometres out of Hexham. I believe it is adequately mentioned on the Hexham page, and as an attraction, I feel it is not deserving of an article of its own. (WT-en) Water 14:20, 30 June 2006 (EDT)
 * It's not whether it "deserves" an article, it's whether it meets the criteria for one. Can you sleep there?  If so, it's separate enough to have its own article.  If not, treating it as a section of Hexham seems right, but would probably best be accomplished via a redirect rather than a deletion, since Housesteads is a place name that crops up in various places. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 15:37, 30 June 2006 (EDT)
 * No; you can't sleep there: it consists of a museum, a shop, a café, some ruins and that's about it. When I said 'deserves', I had in fact read the criteria and concluded that it did not fulfil them: I probably should have made my meaning clearer. I shall create a redirect from both the s-less and correct versions of the name to Hexham, then. 62.252.224.13 15:50, 30 June 2006 (EDT)
 * The above comment was me: the software logged me out for some reason. (WT-en) Water 15:52, 30 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Redirect to Hexham. -- (WT-en) Ryan 12:33, 2 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Redirect. --(WT-en) Evan 15:09, 9 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Looks like there's a consensus on this one. Any reason not to go ahead and pronounce it redirected and resolved? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:11, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

Yoyogi Park

 * Another part of Tokyo/Harajuku. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:20, 24 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 03:56, 24 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. I've made it a redirect; content was already copied to Tokyo/Harajuku. --(WT-en) Evan 15:09, 9 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. Not every redirect accomplishes something useful.  Could anyone credibly mistake this for a destination? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:07, 9 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Consensus seems to be for delete on the "guilty-until-proven-innocent" principle. One last call for dissent, then it's gone... -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:18, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * OK, I'll try this again. Keep, I've made it a redirect to the right article. Of course someone could mistake this for a destination; someone created this article, after all. A redirect has barely any cost for the project and is a nice way to prevent someone making this same mistake again. --(WT-en) Evan 12:32, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep as a redirect. Would be nice if #REDIRECT Tokyo/Harajuku would take you directly to a ===Yoyogi Park=== section within the Tokyo/Harajuku guide... 125.24.4.216 13:20, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

Pacific towns

 * Not an article. Could in principle be merged/redirected into somewhere in Mexico, but where? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:34, 1 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. Too general. -- (WT-en) Ryan 12:33, 2 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete -- (WT-en) Jonboy 19:03, 13 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep, move to a region of Michoacan. I'll research. Update: moved to Lazaro Cardenas (region) per the Michoacan government Web site's name for the area. I don't think the redirect is particularly descriptive, though. --(WT-en) Evan 12:30, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. Why can't Pacific towns refer to Pacific towns in California, or Oregon, or Hawaii?  This one isn't a useful redirect. -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:43, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Agree, I think Pacific towns should go, Lazaro Cardenas (region) should stay. --(WT-en) Evan 14:48, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Ditto. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete Pacific towns ~ 125.24.4.216 08:41, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep Lazaro Cardenas (region) ~ 125.24.4.216 08:41, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

Project:NumberOfArticles
StatScript has finally been upgraded to use the internal raw stats output, so the Wikivoyage:NumberOfArticles pages on all language versions are obsolete. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:50, 5 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. --(WT-en) Evan 15:11, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

Monrovia

 * Started new article for Monrovia (Liberia) and so moved original Monrovia page to Monrovia (Los_Angeles_County) - both articles are listed on Monrovia (disambiguation) (WT-en) WindHorse 21 July 06
 * Redirect to Monrovia (disambiguation)?
 * If neither of the city articles is called "Monrovia" (which is the usual way to handle something like this) then Monrovia should be the disambiguation page for them. Monrovia (disambiguation) is not needed, but is harmless if it's redirected to Monrovia. This isn't really a keep/delete question, but the best name. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 11:39, 21 July 2006 (EDT)
 * There are two issues - Monrovia (Los Angeles County) should be Monrovia (California) since US cities use the state as the disambiguator. Monrovia (Liberia) should be Monrovia since it's a country's capital and as a resident of LA I've not heard of the other city, so I think it meets the "most famous" rule.  If no one objects I'll fix this up and then remove the VFD. -- (WT-en) Ryan 12:46, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

Image:Vercors_roads2.jpg
I updated this map. The new map is. I do not think the old map will be of any use now. Sorry for the inconveinience... (WT-en) Berru 15:35, 10 July 2006 (EDT) I have the same problem with, that I recently updated in. So sorry... (WT-en) Berru 19:13, 10 July 2006 (EDT)

San Diego Travel

 * Delete, probably speedy. -- (WT-en) Ryan 18:07, 21 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Concur. Not an article. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 21:20, 25 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Agree. Speedy delete. -- (WT-en) SHC 21:22, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

Airplane seat maps

 * A thinly-veiled ad for a commercial provider. Doesn't look like an article to me, but should probably be discussed before it is deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:55, 9 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. There may be a travel topic hiding around there somewhere, but that ain't it. -- (WT-en) Colin 21:05, 9 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Neutral. -- (WT-en) Colin 22:05, 24 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. This warrants at most a one-sentence mention (without the link) in Tips for flying, not a whole article. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 00:10, 10 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. However, this is a surprisingly big topic, and I do think there should be links to not this site, but SeatGuru and SeatExpert, the two biggest seat data sites. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:32, 10 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I wonder, Jani, why you want to see it deleted even if you think it's a big topic. --(WT-en) Evan 20:18, 16 July 2006 (EDT)
 * It's a big topic in the sense that there are multiple other sites devoted to it, but I don't think it really falls within Wikivoyage's scope anymore. Is it really our mission in life to start maintaining seat maps of every airplane of every airline out there? (WT-en) Jpatokal 20:18, 21 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Berru (talk • contribs) 15:35, 10 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. If this is a big travel topic, as JPatokal says, it's probably worth having on the site. We have similar discussions about on-line services at e.g. Hospitality exchange. --(WT-en) Evan 13:45, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * What is there for us to say about any of these sites, beyond telling people that such services exist? Take the brand-specific promotional verbiage off this page, and you're left with a stub, to which we can add little but an "External link farm" section. Merge and redirect to Tips for flying. -(WT-en) Todd VerBeek 20:02, 16 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I point once again to Hospitality exchange or Discount airlines in Europe. We've already got a number of travel topics giving overviews for travel-related services, both online and off. Other ways of seeing travel has been an important part of Wikivoyage since its inception; part of our strength has been letting ideas like this germinate for a while. Sometimes they grow, sometimes they don't. As Jani said, this is a big subject, and it's worth taking care of it to see what develops. --(WT-en) Evan 20:18, 16 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Pointing to the External link farm for discount airlines in Europe article isn't an argument I find very persuasive. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 22:07, 24 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. I'd find this a usful topic myself. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. This is a useful topic and as the internet empowers people more and more. This type of travel topic serves as an educational topic, giving consumers the tools to make informed flying decisions. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) FantasticFlyer (talk • contribs) 18:16, 16 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. I agree that it seems to be a thinly-veiled ad. I'm picky about where I sit on airplanes, but I don't understand us covering this. Worth a mention in some article somewhere that these sites exist, I guess (though I'm not drawn to them). (WT-en) OldPine 21:30, 24 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete for the same reason OldPine and Jani give. -- Sappphire
 * Keep and expand scope. I've updated the page to look more like an overview of the topic. However I don't think there's a whole article in Airplane seat maps, but there might be one in Choosing an airplane seat, given that there are all kinds of competing issues with children, emergency rows, aisle, window... links to a few of these sites would be part of that. (WT-en) Hypatia 21:37, 24 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Do you feel the expanded scope will exceed what will fit in Tips for flying? -- (WT-en) Colin 21:53, 24 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I don't think that's easy to answer given the size of some of our articles: it would certainly merit a big independent section. But I think it could be about the same size as First and business class travel if done comprehensively, and that has an independent article. (WT-en) Hypatia 21:58, 24 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Move the content to Tips for flying. For travel topics the attitude seems to be that anything that might ever be useful to someone can have its own article, but I don't think that's helpful.  The guidelines in Project:What is an article? state: "In general, a good rule of thumb is that information about attractions, sites, and events should always be initially placed into the article for the place they're located in, and only when that information becomes large and complex should a new article be considered."  Why not apply this guideline to travel topics, too?  In this case move the content to the more general Tips for flying, and if the section on airline seat maps ever grows to a point where a separate article is called for then it can be created.  As of right now, a separate article isn't warranted. -- (WT-en) Ryan 22:15, 24 July 2006 (EDT)
 * What Ryan said. 202.156.2.35 23:57, 24 July 2006 (EDT) (Jpatokal)
 * I've added material to Tips for flying to cover this topic.  Unless anyone has additional information about Airplane seat maps to add... {crickets chirping}... that really ought to be adequate for now. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 20:42, 25 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I also added the two sites suggested by Jani - they aren't clearly in line with Project:External links, but we do include similar links in a lot of travel topic articles, so hopefully they're OK. With that done I'd be fine with redirecting this article to Tips for flying. -- (WT-en) Ryan 21:03, 25 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Added on a little more and made it its own subsection. I think we have a consensus now that this can be deleted/redirected. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:37, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

Patrick scully

 * Delete. Seems to be some personal in-joke insult vandalism. --(WT-en) Evan 12:20, 18 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Any reason not to speedy? — (WT-en) Ravikiran 12:37, 18 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Speedy Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 08:04, 26 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Speedy. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:12, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Mark furlong

 * Delete. Seems to be some personal in-joke insult vandalism. --(WT-en) Evan 12:22, 18 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Any reason not to speedy? — (WT-en) Ravikiran 12:37, 18 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Speedy Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 08:04, 26 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Speedy -- (WT-en) Colin 18:12, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Yagger

 * Delete, possibly speedy. A quick search doesn't find any place with this name.  Brought to us by the same user who brought us "Red" and other fun might-be-a-place-can-you-look-it-up-for-me destinations.  The author even put it on the vfd page after creating. -- (WT-en) Ryan 13:03, 13 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Is it here? -- (WT-en) Jonboy 19:01, 13 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Probably; the kid lives in Maine. But just because he found this word on a map doesn't mean it's a valid article topic.  Keep in mind that Wikivoyage is not meant to be an atlas, but a travel guide, so specks on the map that will never be able to fill out Template:smallcity (which is what this appears to be) should not be the subjects of articles.  Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 00:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. I don't think he can read a map.... but he's long since run out of actual city names and has started making sh guessing placenames. -- (WT-en) Colin 02:41, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Redirect either to Oxford County or to Maine. ~ 125.24.4.216 09:00, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. Bogus "place", and worse yet, no article about it. 24.34.195.0 15:50, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

Template:Skeleton

 * Delete. Unused, replaced by Template:Outline. -- (WT-en) Ryan 00:19, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. Another bit of obsolescence bites the dust. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 00:30, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:19, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. --207.134.56.158 13:46, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

Driving in Portland, Maine

 * Delete. Created by article creation troll.  Evan made this a redirect, but I see no reason for this to exist. -- (WT-en) Colin 02:39, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 08:08, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:15, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * whats wrong with driving in portland? routes and so forth
 * The "Get around" section of the city article should describe the basics about getting around the city. Anything more than that is more detail than a travel guide should bother with. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 13:33, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. --(WT-en) Evan 15:28, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. Not a big enough city/topic for it's own article. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

Route 77
(The next three are from a duplicate listing):
 * Keep -- User:(WT-en) Notatroll
 * Delete. Not an article. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 14:04, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * comment route 66 got kept http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=RNWI%2CRNWI%3A2004-45%2CRNWI%3Aen&q=route+77 -- User:(WT-en) Notatroll
 * Route 66 is a historic highway that is a travel detination. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 14:13, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * someone might want to travel on route 77 -- User:(WT-en) Notatroll
 * i got to stick with the ip and ilkirk toddverbeek or anyone else edit my travel articles please —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 169.244.166.2 (talk • contribs) 14:14, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:15, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. A road needs to be very very major for an article. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. Not an article. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:15, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. 24.34.195.0 15:53, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

Route 1

 * Delete. Not an article. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:15, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Highway_1 —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 169.244.166.2 (talk • contribs) 14:16, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * You must not have read the reason I provided. Highways do not automatically get articles, unlike cities. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:17, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. 24.34.195.0 15:53, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Redirect to U.S. Highway 1 (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 12:58, 21 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. Yes, there's a US 1 article (which btw was vfd'ed some months ago, escaped by the skin of its teeth, and hasn't developed much since then).  Given the zillions of other places that have a "Route 1" -- pretty much every state of the US will have a SR 1, nearly all countries with numbered roads will have one -- a disambig page might make more sense than a redirect, if any of the others merit articles.  (Hm -- somebody really should do an "M1" itinerary covering Russia, Belarus and Poland...)  But until that's needed, just get rid of the thing, as it's clearly redundant as it stands. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 21:15, 25 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. (And creating disambig pages for articles that might be created someday is a road I for one don't want to start down.) - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Route 95

 * Delete. Not an article. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:15, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. 24.34.195.0 15:53, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Speedy delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Route 62

 * Delete. Not an article. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:15, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. 24.34.195.0 15:53, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Speedy delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Route 93

 * Delete. Not an article. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:15, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. 24.34.195.0 15:53, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete, speedily, along with the others like it (exception for Route 1, as above). -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 21:18, 25 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Speedy delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Route 95

 * From Maine to Florida driving on route 95 -- User:(WT-en) Notatroll
 * Delete. Not an article. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 14:20, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep/Move to maybe an itinerary if it's a good road trip? I'm always looking for good road trips. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. 24.34.195.0 15:53, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Speedy delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Route 88

 * Delete. Not an article. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 14:19, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. 24.34.195.0 15:53, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Speedy delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Route 8

 * Delete. Not an article. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 14:19, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. 24.34.195.0 15:53, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Speedy delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Driving on route 95

 * Delete. Not an article. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 14:21, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. 24.34.195.0 15:53, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Speedy delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Portland International Jetport

 * Delete. Not an article. Only especially large airports get articles. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 14:22, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Colin 15:31, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Redirect to Portland (Maine). ~ 125.24.4.216 10:24, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. 24.34.195.0 15:53, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) OldPine 21:46, 24 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Zuber

 * Delete. Page creation troll, Wikipedia does not concur that this place exists and/or merits mention. -- (WT-en) Colin
 * Delete. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. So that it doesn't get re-created later, I've converted it into a disambiguation page. ~ 125.24.4.216 05:35, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. A disambiguation page that lists a few places there aren't even articles for is not useful. Not every junk article name needs to be redirected to protect against re-creation; only ones that might be recreated in good faith do.  - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 09:40, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Ryan 04:04, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Zion Hill

 * Delete. Page creation troll, Wikipedia does not concur that this place exists and/or merits mention. -- (WT-en) Colin
 * Delete. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * It does exist and it is in Florida as the creator noted, however, it apparently is quite small and the are many more Zion Hills in the U.S. . I don't think this constitutes a need for an article so I vote delete. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 02:26, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Redirect either to Leon County (Florida) or to Florida. ~ 125.24.4.216 04:26, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Ryan 04:04, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Bird Cage

 * Delete. Not an actual place in the usual sense. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:25, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. 24.34.195.0 15:53, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Speedy delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Ryan 04:04, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Yagerville

 * Delete. Vague area of NY state. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:34, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * what about yagerville? 169.244.166.2 14:37, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * What about yagerville? -- (WT-en) Colin 14:50, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Redirect to Ulster County or to New York (state) ~ 125.24.4.216 14:46, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Ryan 04:04, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Tatnic

 * Delete. Doesn't have a wikipedia entry, so it's either a spelling error (what, again?) or too small to reckon with. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:49, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * It looks like it's a mountain bike trail in Maine. Maybe worth a redirect? (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Redirect to York County (Maine). ~ 125.24.4.216 06:20, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Ryan 04:04, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Zerkel

 * Delete. Doesn't have a wikipedia entry, so it's either a spelling error (what, again?) or too small to reckon with. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:49, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * There's a Zerkel, MN, but it doesn't seem to have anywhere to sleep. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Redirect either to Clearwater County (Minnesota) or to Minnesota ~ 125.24.4.216 14:28, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Ryan 04:04, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Fort Williams

 * Delete. Attraction, not article. Content not worth saving. -- (WT-en) Colin 15:16, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. Probably to vague for a redirect unless someone can think of a famous Fort Williams. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Redirect to Fort William (disambiguation) Fort William ~ 125.24.4.216 04:21, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Agree with the revised redirect. We've kept far more flagrant misspellings than this one. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 21:18, 25 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. Fort William (disambiguation) had only one valid destination on it (it's VFDed below), and the "Fort Williams" that this presumably refers to (it's near where the kid lives) is just a locally-known fort (an attraction), not a destination. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 17:29, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Ryan 04:04, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Mosquito Lake

 * Delete. May be a valid destination, but doesn't look like it.  I think our friend may merely be picking cities with very tiny populations from, but who knows. -- (WT-en) Ryan 16:51, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. I'd give it a redirect, but there's more than one place with a Mosquito Lake. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Redirect or disambiguate. If it exists and there's only one, redirect it to the article that covers that territory; if there's more than one, disambiguate. ~ 125.24.4.216 02:24, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. Disambiguation for non-existent articles is pointless.  Doing so for non-existent articles for places that shouldn't be articles is worse. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Ibm

 * Delete. Orphan page and I can't find any place with that name... content is outline. (WT-en) Maj 09:51, 28 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I'll speedy-delete it. This just looks like somebody was messing with page creation. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:59, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Pasta in italy

 * Currently a redirect to Italy, but... 125.24.4.216 13:23, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I think it's fine/harmless as a redirect. We haven't been too pickey about keeping typo redirects around. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Mostly harmless. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete since there isn't any policy saying this should be kept, but I won't lose any sleep if it's kept as a redirect. -- (WT-en) Ryan 04:04, 28 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete, clearly. It's simply not an article. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:15, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Zara
so? keep —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 169.244.166.2 (talk • contribs) 14:34, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. Not an actual place name. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:31, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * WikiPedia disagrees... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zara But I'm still not sure its important enough. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 14:32, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. "the district of Zara in the Turkish province of Sivas" (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Ah, but the text of the article (such as it is) doesn't place it in Turkey, but rather in North Carolina, where there clearly is no Zara. Delete; if and when someone gets down to the nitty-gritty in Turkey (or Eritrea or wherever) to the point where a revived Zara article makes sense, we can deal with it, but I'm not holding my breath. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:19, 28 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. If it doesn't warrant its own article, redirect to the article to which it belongs. ~ 125.24.4.216 14:52, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Ryan 04:04, 28 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Our two weeks are up, and according to the guilty-until-proven-innocent principle, there's no consensus to keep it, so it's gone shortly. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 13:10, 30 July 2006 (EDT)

Long Island (Maine)

 * Delete. Questionable whether this is a valid article, and VFD'd by its creator. Keep. User:(WT-en) Xltel has worked some magic. -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:42, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:49, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Redirect to Cumberland County. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Redirect to Cumberland County (Maine) or to Maine ~ 125.24.4.216 06:29, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. It probably should be listed on Down East, Maine and then add Frenchboro as the city destination too. -- (WT-en) Huttite 02:42, 28 July 2006 (EDT) an appropriate regional article page given in the IsIn list. And this discussion should move to the talk page -- (WT-en) Huttite 22:37, 29 July 2006 (EDT)
 * The consensus to keep this one seems pretty clear by now. Discussion being moved. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 13:16, 30 July 2006 (EDT)

Ram Island

 * Delete. Private island; not a destination. (WT-en) Majnoona 12:05, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Redirect, so that it won't be created again, as it appears to already have been deleted on a previous occasion - see Talk:Ram_Island dated 31 March 2006 - ~ 125.24.4.216 12:33, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Redirect sounds good. I could maybe get behind this if it had some content. I was with a company that did work on a lighthouse here and the crew stayed on the island (though its almost too small) when there was no storm. But with no content there's no point. Certainly not much call from travelers and we don't want to be sending folks there. (WT-en) OldPine 14:54, 17 July 2006 (EDT) (WT-en) OldPine 12:38, 28 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I don't think lack of (current) content is the issue; rather, in all simplicity, is the place a destination? I think not.  A redirect seems appropriate, but where would it be redirected to? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:27, 28 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Boothbay Harbor or Lincoln County (Maine) ~ 125.24.5.91 12:18, 29 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Ryan 04:04, 28 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Well, the consensus seems to be to delete, so I am doing so, with misgivings -- I suspect this one may be "retrollified" (is that a word?) sooner or later. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 13:31, 30 July 2006 (EDT)

Orange (New Hampshire)

 * Delete. May be a valid destination, but more than likely not .  User:(WT-en) Xltel has added enough content to convert vandalism to a real article, so I'm OK with keeping it. -- (WT-en) Ryan 16:53, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. It's a town and they have a state park, but doesn't appear to have any where to sleep... This ones getting closer to what we're looking for... (WT-en) Majnoona 21:26, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Redirect to Grafton County (New Hampshire) or to New Hampshire. ~ 125.24.4.216 02:19, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Just voting on principal here. I've read the deletion policy twice and don't see how this fits. It's a valid town. Policy doesn't seem to require that one can sleep there. One could sleep in a nearby town and visit the place anyways. Yeah, it's a little pissant place of little interest, but is there policy that covers it? What if someone's RVing or hiking around and wants to know about this place that's coming up? (WT-en) OldPine 13:09, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I'm switching to Keep on this one. You're right Old Pine, there's room for all towns! (WT-en) Majnoona 14:14, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * If this were Wikiatlas with a goal of documenting every settlement on the planet, or Wikiyellowpages with a goal of providing every community with a directory of restaurants in their local dialing area, I might find that scenario compelling, but it's not. Not every individual town is a travel destination.  Delete.  - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep, strongly felt. Far smaller towns than this one (i.e., about half of North Dakota) have been written up and kept without demur.  Would we even be considering deleting this if it hadn't been created originally by you-know-who?  A page's origins don't count against it; even a blind hog can find an acorn, as the saying goes. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:34, 28 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Yes, this article is listed here because of he-who-shall-not-be-named. The North Dakota articles were created by someone whose goal was to create a good travel guide about North Dakota, and that user at least went to some trouble to provide a minimum of information about each place.  In this case, unless a transformation similar to what was done for White Mountain occurs I think we might as well delete this one as vandalism, and if someone with better intentions wants to re-create the article in the future there would be nothing stopping them from doing so. -- (WT-en) Ryan 17:22, 28 July 2006 (EDT)
 * We're at our 14 days, and to the extent that there's consensus, I think the consensus is to keep it. Move to the obvious pages coming, unless someone makes an argument that tips the consensus again. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 13:25, 30 July 2006 (EDT)

Pumpkin Notch

 * Speedy? Was deleted previously  (WT-en) Majnoona 12:05, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Or, as it apparently does exist and it's been created/deleted before, redirect it (to Maine or similar) ~ 125.24.4.216 12:40, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete, as above. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 15:37, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. Bogus. (WT-en) OldPine 15:00, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Speedy delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Ryan 04:04, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Discount airlines in Portland

 * Way too narrow a topic. (WT-en) Majnoona 12:05, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Ryan 13:06, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) OldPine 14:47, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Golf Courses in Maine

 * Delete. Doesn't meet the Project:What is an article? criteria. -- (WT-en) Ryan 13:06, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. We concur with the pithy analysis above. (WT-en) OldPine 15:04, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:00, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Pumpkins Notch

 * Speedy? Was deleted previously (WT-en) Majnoona 12:05, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Or, as it apparently does exist and it's been created/deleted before, redirect it (to Maine or similar) ~ 125.24.4.216 12:42, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. It was created before by the same person who has now created it again; that doesn't mean it "exists", just that he'll create articles regardless of whether they refer to an identifiable place. We're not going redirect every nonsense article he creates to Maine just to stop him from re-creating them.  The same arguments for deletion (not a destination, no identifiable place to redirect to) still apply. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 15:37, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. Bogus. (WT-en) OldPine 15:02, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Ryan 04:04, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Zediker

 * Delete. Created as a non-descript stub, since converted into a disambiguation page for two "small place"s for which we do not have articles. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:45, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Ryan 04:04, 28 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. We may wind up recreating this in some distant future when every wide spot in the road has an article, but as the proverb says, sufficient to the day is the evil thereof. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 14:25, 30 July 2006 (EDT)

Airlines

 * Delete. This article consists of nothing but a long list of major airlines, along with the cities they serve. So far, the cities are only those starting with "Aa" thru "Ag" and it's already looking like Too Much Information™.  With airline routes constantly changing (to say nothing of airlines themselves coming and going), this is going to be almost impossible to maintain, and not particularly practical to use even if we could. -(WT-en) Todd VerBeek 13:32, 16 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:04, 16 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. I think this info should be in the "Get in" sections of destinations. --(WT-en) Evan 09:50, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. A non-goal. (WT-en) Majnoona 10:54, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Update: He's up to "Al-", and despite attempts to contact him via Talk:Airlines, Talk:IP page, and the VFD notice on the page itself, he's still at it. Any chance of speedying this, to save the poor guy more wasted time?

 * Delete. Is a reason necessary? I'll check. (WT-en) OldPine 15:12, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * A reason is strongly encouraged. I agree with Todd on this. (WT-en) OldPine 17:52, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

Fort William (disambiguation)

 * Delete. This was created with links to: a city in Scotland (Fort William), a no-longer-existent city  in Ontario with no Wikivoyage article for it (since removed from the page), and a fort – an attraction – in Newfoundland with no article (also removed from the page). It is not needed. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 17:34, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. I created it in error, agree it is not needed - if appropriate, speedy delete OK with me. ~ 125.24.4.216 17:42, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Ryan 04:04, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Catamaran hotel

 * Does not meet the Project:What is an article? criteria, and I suspect a copyvio as well. To the author: see Project:Where you can stick it for a discussion of where this information should go. -- (WT-en) Ryan 17:58, 21 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 08:04, 26 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Copyvio confirmed from this site. Speedy delete coming. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:20, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Catamaran Resort and spa

 * Delete. Creating two copies of the same article is a bit much. I recommend letting this sit for a day or two in the hopes that the author will see it and then speedy deleting. -- (WT-en) Ryan 17:59, 21 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 08:04, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

Catamaran Resort Hotel

 * Delete. See above. -- (WT-en) Ryan 18:01, 21 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 08:04, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

Yellow Head

 * Delete. Created by article creation troll.  Wikipedia has no such place in Maine... although it does have WikiPedia:Yellow Head written by the same idiot. -- (WT-en) Colin 02:35, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 08:08, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. This one doesn't even show up in PlacesNamed.com. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:16, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * comment do you have to call me a idiot? i'm just trying to help.
 * Please see the commentary on your talk page. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:04, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep . See below. If it's Yellow, let it mellow. There is in fact a village named Yellow Head in Maine, see the geonames.org search. --(WT-en) Evan 12:27, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * comment thank you
 * But is there a destination named Yellow Head? Just because there's a dot on the map for it doesn't mean that it's worthwhile writing an article about it.  We don't want to list every hotel and restaurant in a city; why would we want to list every census-designated crossroads in a county? - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 13:31, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Agreed, we don't want to list every village. What do you know about Yellow Head? I don't know anything about it. Argument from ignorance is not only a bad way to make decisions, but it's also obviously unfair. Let's go the extra yard to see what we can do to include contributions. --(WT-en) Evan 13:45, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I disagree. The guy who creates these articles is obviously purposefully ignoring policy and exploiting the fact that it takes work to discuss and delete questionable article topics.  That's not in doubt.  While he doesn't particularly bug me in any way, and in some cases might even be helpful in promoting discussions such as this one, I don't think it's fair that we should have to assume good faith with each of his edits and then describe as "ignorant" someone's argument that since a quick search indicates a place is not a worthwhile destination that it's a candidate for deletion.  While you may see that as arguing from ignorance, many of the rest of us see it as Fixing broken windows.  I vote delete on this article, and it can always be recreated later if someone who knows the area and honestly thinks it's a worthwhile destination wants to do so. -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:22, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I did not mean that Colin is ignorant; I'm sorry if it came across that way. By all means, I'm well aware that Colin is about as smart as they come. "Argument from ignorance" is the technical term in rhetoric for the logical fallacy that states that if you don't know something is true, then it is necessarily false. My point was that we should hold fire until we know that Yellow Head isn't worth having an article about. On the subject of the contributor: his or her trollosity is totally immaterial to whether this is a good article, and we demean ourselves by wondering. Regardless of whether the person deserves it, we can maintain our dignity and good reputation by treating them with respect. The person in question will eventually drift off, but our angry words will stay here for years. Our anonymous friend's reputation on Wikivoyage does not matter; yours and mine do. As far as I can tell from my reading, Yellow Head is an uninhabited island in Machias Bay, also known as "Yellow Island" for its 75-foot yellow bluff. It doesn't show up in the US Census database or Gazetteer. I think it might make a good attraction for Bucks Harbor but is not notable enough for its own article. --(WT-en) Evan 15:09, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * My rule of thumb is that if a US city isn't in Wikipedia, it probably doesn't exist in a meaningful way. That's why I mentioned Wikipedia in the nom. The Census data is full of bogus placenames that aren't anything more than an unusual dense rural area. The trollosity is relevant: if this came from Joe Average IPAddress, I would just assume they knew the area well and felt it worth an article. In other words, I don't even check if the place exists for the average contributor, for the troll, I do. But that's the whole extent of the prejudice against the troll.-- (WT-en) Colin 15:27, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I didn't think you were calling Colin ignorant, but you did accuse him of making an argument based on ignorance, which I don't think is the case. Colin made the decision to VFD an article based on the fact that searching WikiPedia and Google did not reveal any useful information, and also based on the fact that the creator likes to create questionable articles.  In this case I think the "trollosity" is very relevant as it casts doubt on the validity of the contributor's additions - we have guidelines for a reason, and articles created by a user who not only ignores those guidelines but purposefully tries to find corner cases are much more likely to be VFD candidates.  In any case, the point here is that we have a contributor who likes to ignore policy, and I don't think it's fair that each of his creations needs to be heavily scrutinized by looking at satellite data and such.  A search on WikiPedia and Google should be sufficient to determine VFD or not, and in the future if someone who is not ignorant about the area comes along and wants to create a useful article, there is nothing stopping them from doing so. -- (WT-en) Ryan 15:33, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * All right. All I can do is ask that you don't call contributors names like "troll" or "idiot". People in positions of authority disrespecting contributors, even if they are in the right, looks bad for the project. I'd appreciate if you didn't, but it's obviously up to you. --(WT-en) Evan 15:58, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I've changed my wording. -- (WT-en) Ryan 16:07, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * What do I know? I know that Google finds no references to ("Yellow Head" and "Maine") that refer to a city or an address.  There are several references to a geographic feature, which is either an island or slight protruberance on a peninsula (they give conflicting info).  I know from the coordinates in your link above and satellite images that there is no discernable development at that location, just a road nearby that might have a residence or several on it (which would account for it being listed as "populated", despite apparently having nothing to See, Do, Eat, or Drink).  It's hard to prove that something (i.e. an actual travel destination) doesn't exist (as you seem to demand), but after a bit of looking, the lack of evidence that it does exist starts to get pretty persuasive.  If someone wants me to believe an article is a valid travel destination. I have a simple, (I think) reasonable requirement: Show me.  Put information in it.  An article about a blink-and-you-miss-it crossroads with information about an inn that serves beer and burgers may be worth keeping, because that could be useful information.  An emtpy stub with no such information and no detectible hope of ever having any... is not. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 15:07, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Yes, as far as I can tell it's at best a crossroads. Using the satellite images is a good idea. --(WT-en) Evan 15:11, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. Uninhabited or barely-inhabited island. --(WT-en) Evan 15:11, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. I'll add to Bucks Harbor. (WT-en) Majnoona 21:54, 14 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. So that it doesn't get re-created later, I've converted it into a disambiguation page. ~ 125.24.4.216 10:06, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Err, I'm not sure why it would make a good dismabiguation page as opposed to a redirect to the closest destination? I dont think we want to start doing disambigs for non-destinations. Anyone second the redirect over disambig? (WT-en) Majnoona 10:28, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Seconded - can easily work around the Yellow Head Island alternative by creating a redirect for that too. ~ 125.24.4.216 11:21, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Comment This lists Yellow Head as a city with an estimated population of 533, at a different lat/lon than the island. I'm not saying the place is a notable destination, but inability to find something with google is not evidence it doesn't exist. The town is in Lincoln County, near Pemaquid Point Lighthouse. 141.213.54.38 17:47, 20 July 2006 (EDT)
 * The inability to find something in Google is a huge blinking red flag that it is not signficant enough to be the subject of a Wikivoyage article. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:28, 25 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Laying aside the flamage, this article is an example of a phenomenon that User:(WT-en) OldPine (whom absolutely nobody should call a troll ...) has had to wrestle with: the tendency for practically any street corner or isolated tree in New England (United States of America) to have an "official" name that one can find somewhere, somehow. This is a problem for those who try to create articles with good intentions as well as an opportunity for trolls.  I favor deleting this one, but let's consider changes to Project:What is an article?, if necessary, to improve our policy clarity on areas that are overendowed with place names (much of the UK is in a similar situation, surprise surprise, it's just that the proliferation of articles there hasn't started yet). -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:13, 28 July 2006 (EDT)
 * So would someone with more patience than I have please wade through all this stuff and make a decision? We're overdue to delete, redirect, populate, whatever. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:17, 30 July 2006 (EDT)

Surf the Saint Laurence

 * Delete. Already listed as something to "do" in Montreal and that's probably the best place for it at this time.  -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 16:50, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. Appears to be a regional attraction. Content seems to already exist in Montreal, and should be copied into any other applicable regions. -- (WT-en) Colin 17:40, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. Concur with the above. (WT-en) OldPine 17:49, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. It's an experiment Evan created. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 17:57, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep, please. It's an experiment in doing a different kind of infobox. Delete. See below. --(WT-en) Evan 17:58, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Would it be possible to add a more informative explanation on Talk:Surf the Saint Laurence indicating what sort of experiment this is? I've wondered about this article before and didn't VFD it because you created it and I assumed you had a reason, but as it stands it does not meet the Project:What is an article? criteria and others are likely to wonder why it's here. -- (WT-en) Ryan 18:28, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I gotta say I'm really unthrilled by the prospect of having content in PageA that it used in PageB, but that usage cannot be detected from PageA. Also, documentation is needed if this experiment is deemed a success.  How long do you plan on experimenting with it? -- (WT-en) Colin 19:13, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Transcluded content should be visible through Special:Whatlinkshere, afaik. I plan on experimenting with it until it's done. There also seems to be a problem with the listing tags if there's one in a transcluded file; I need to do some debugging to determine if that's for any custom tag or just our listings. Anyways, I've moved the problem article to a sub-page of my user page, which is where experimental pages should go, after all. Since the main namespace article was not linked from anywhere but here, it's probably fine to delete the redirect. --(WT-en) Evan 19:28, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Sorry to step on your toes Evan - I should have looked the history... -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 20:16, 19 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Struck my vote (if I remember how). Starting to remember why I don't participate on this page. (WT-en) OldPine 18:03, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

Brocken

 * Delete. Not an article.  I've incoporated the short amount text into Harz. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 17:29, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 08:04, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

Dachstein

 * Delete. Appears to be a mountain... unless some can find some reason, it doesn't appear to be an article.  -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 17:45, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 08:04, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

Grosser Feldberg

 * Delete. Not an article.  I've incoporated the short amount text into Hesse.  I think this article, along with Drocken and Dachstein are all created because they have some sort of communications tower on them.  There was a spate of these articles a while back... -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 17:29, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 08:04, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

title: Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/July 2006


text:
Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/July 2007

Archive for Project:Votes for deletion acted on in July 2007. If you can't find the chronicle that interests you here, try Project:Votes for deletion/June 2007 or Project:Votes for deletion/August 2007 for things that may have happened earlier or later, respectively.

Images by Profjafck
Not in compliance with copyleft. One of several photos recently uploaded by Profjack that probably do not meet the requirements of our copyleft and should be deleted. I have left him a message on his talk page. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 15:21, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. The LewesCastle picture is definitely GDFL and in violation of our copyleft. No real response from Jack on his talk page and he is still uploading pictures without any licensing information, so I suppose we should delete them: --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 16:01, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Image:LewesCastle.JPG
 * Image:U-boat.JPG
 * Image:Gatehouse Pevensey Castle.JPG
 * Image:Charleston Farmhouse.JPG
 * Image:Harveys at Lewes.JPG
 * Image:Eastbournepier.JPG
 * Image:Llama.JPG
 * Image:PathnrSS.JPG
 * Image:RyeParo.JPG
 * Image:Hartfield Parish Church.JPG
 * Image:Bodiam Castle from the North.JPG
 * Image:Sheffield Park Gardens.JPG
 * Image:Seven Sisters.JPG
 * -
 * Image:BattleEngland.JPG
 * - GNU Free Documentation License
 * Image:Brighton Royal Pavilion.JPG
 * - GNU Free Documentation License
 * Image:Royal Military Canal at Hythe.JPG
 * Image:Cycling on the Forest Way.JPG

 * Delete - Seems like all these images are used on answers.com at their relevant articles, example:, but they have also all been sourced from commons or wikipedia. Since we do not just want to look like a clone of answers.com and since the images uses a range of copyrights, I think deletion is best. --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 14:09, 1 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Outcome: Unlinked in articles using them and Deleted --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 14:25, 1 July 2007 (EDT)

Template:If

 * Delete. I've removed the last usage of this template, and the same functionality is available in a nicer form from the Mediawiki #if: parser function. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:47, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Speedy delete. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 02:24, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Outcome: Speedily deleted. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 17:23, 3 July 2007 (EDT)

Lake Tsongmo
Is a lake -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 12:03, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Merge and redirect to Gangtok --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 16:32, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Redirected to Gangtok. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:35, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

Image:Yosemite roadmap.gif

 * Delete. Unused, has been replaced by User:(WT-en) NJR ZA's very awesome Image:Map-USA-Yosemite00.png. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:41, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:40, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

Accommodation Port Elizabeth
Conflicts with Project:What is an article?. Already speedy-deleted once (along with "Bed and breakfast port elizabeth") on 19 June 2007, now created again by the same user. See User talk:(WT-en) At sta-plus. This time I've redirected it to Port Elizabeth, and suggest it be deleted at the end of the standard 14 day VFD period. ~ 58.8.2.182 12:20, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
 * If it was speedy-deleted once before without protest (except by the author), no reason not to speedy delete it again. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 22:16, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:47, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

Scrap
Moved from Mineola, and is copyvio from Wikipedia -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 19:00, 15 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) WindHorse

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:53, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

Image:Yelagiri1.jpg

 * Delete. Not useful in any article. Just a bunch of people, a bus and a road. No license information and likely against Project:Privacy rights. (WT-en) Tristram Shandy 04:57, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:19, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:55, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

Iran University of Science and Technology
Not an article. Could be edited down to a listing on the appropriate destination page. (WT-en) Maj 15:03, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. This should become one line in the Tehran article. (WT-en) Pashley 20:18, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. This is a one line in the Tehran article. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 01:00, 8 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Keep and redirect to Tehran (per ) ~ 58.8.2.250 12:06, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Wow 58! That redirect article has quite the name! Frankly, I think an article like Shaker Run Golf Club--4361 Greentree Road Lebanon, OH 45036 800-721-0007 should have been speedy deleted. The only cause for having a redirect, as far as I can tell, is to 1. redirect searches and to 2. dissuade the recreation of deleted articles. In this case, I think neither cause would apply. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:52, 16 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Since I'm the party guilty of the redirect, I'll add 3. use a redirect to try to educate a new contributor about where content should be placed and how it should be named. The original redirect can be deleted now if desired since the user in question hasn't reappeared in the past couple weeks. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 04:10, 24 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:38, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:07, 6 July 2007 (EDT)

Hotel Buena Vista Beach Resort
Not an article. See Project:What is an article? -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 07:43, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete and list synopsis of info under Sleep section for town of Buena Vista. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:19, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

 * This is a clear Delete, but before doing so, might someone check out what town it should be listed under? Our Buena Vista "article" is a disambiguation page, and none of the Buena Vistas given there match this one's location.  If this can't be resolved, it's gone shortly, so going once, going twice ... -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:50, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:12, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

La Alhambra
It's an attraction, and content from this page has now been merged into Granada - make it a redirect? (WT-en) WTDuck2 09:09, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
 * I'd buy this as its own article (it does, after all, have places to stay), but if the content has already been merged, then make it a redirect. (WT-en) Maj 14:54, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Hmmm. Didn't know you can stay there, but you can only visit it for a maximum of 3 hours.... Redirect -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 05:59, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect. This is certainly something people might search for. (WT-en) Pashley 04:14, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
 * But what's the best English name? I'd say "the Alhambra", but am not sure what is correct or common. "La" is "the" in Spanish, "Al" is "the" in Arabic, so I find it odd that we seem to have both in an English title. (WT-en) Pashley 04:20, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Redirect to [Granada]]. (WT-en) WindHorse

Outcome: Redirected to Granada (Spain). -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:16, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

GuestOfOwner.com
per Project:What is an article? ~ 58.8.5.130 13:20, 15 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. Obviously out of topic. (WT-en) Tristram Shandy 04:57, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete the article, possibly move contents to Hospitality exchange where it is more-or-less relevant. (WT-en) Pashley 04:11, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:19, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome:Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:20, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Image:Roopam.jpg

 * Delete – copyvio from hotel's website. Possibly uploaded by hotel owner/worker, as they seem to have a particular interest in this hotel... either way, not really a useful image to the traveler. – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 02:04, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete (WT-en) WindHorse 23:19, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:23, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Maldives holiday guide

 * Delete because a redirect would be pointless beyond belief. ~ 58.8.1.171 11:18, 17 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete - you beat me to the punch by seconds. (WT-en) Texugo 11:21, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
 * DElete. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:19, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:26, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Famous earthquakes

 * Delete. The author may have mistakenly thought they were contributing to Wikipedia, but "famous earthquakes" isn't a travel article. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:50, 18 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete and merge into Wikipedia? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:11, 18 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete and then do the wiki wiki dance. (WT-en) Texugo 02:25, 18 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete (WT-en) WindHorse 23:19, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:28, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Image:Gallery hyd charminar.jpg

 * Delete. This is a copyvio from Andhra Pradesh tourism. (I can look up the web site to locate the source, but trust me on this, I saw this image in a promotional poster. ) — (WT-en) Ravikiran 01:23, 19 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete based on Ravi's eye-witness testimony. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:19, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:31, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Image:IMG 0487.JPG

 * Delete. Not useful in any article. Just a bunch of people and bushes, nothing that looks like a scenery. No license information and likely against Project:Privacy rights. (WT-en) Tristram Shandy 04:57, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:19, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:33, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

North Shropshire villages
Now a blank page, original content was a copyvio. ~ 58.8.5.62 10:10, 21 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. I doubt that North Shropshire villages have a special fame that deserves an independent article. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:19, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:36, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Altana

 * Delete - I can't find anything about this place on the net, which means if it does exist it's very, very small. The page is empty... -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 09:28, 4 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete - extremely obscure subdivision of an obscure subdivision of Transylvania. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 16:32, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect to Transylvania as per Project:Votes for deletion. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:38, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Redirect to Transylvania ~ 61.47.94.214 08:30, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep, with the redirect for the time being. According to Wikipedia, there is a "commune" (village) by this name in Romania.  See the "Chicken" example at the top of this page. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:27, 24 June 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Redirected to Transylvania. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:50, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Image:LocationIslandIreland.png

 * Speedy Delete. Created here instead of in commons shared. I have now created it in commons shared, but it shouldn't be here as well. --(WT-en) The.Q 07:41, 12 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Done (per Project:Deletion policy). I'm looking forward to the automated transfer of all the :en images to :shared! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 12:13, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Speedily deleted. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:04, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

Andisba express and Andisba Express
A bus company, not a destination/topic/itinerary/etc. The contributor who created these seems to be quite insistent about it, but they don't belong. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:39, 10 June 2007 (EDT)

Delete after copying info to destination articles. (WT-en) Pashley 20:37, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
 * What info? What destination articles? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:10, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
 * The touting and company history are not worth copying of course, but some info may be. It mentions a route from Kota Kinabalu to Tawau. That might be useful info in Kota Kinabalu or Tawau articles. (WT-en) Pashley 00:25, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted - No usefull information copy into other articles --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 14:02, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

Frderikshavn
mispelt - should be Frederikshavn. -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 16:25, 15 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Usual in situations like this is to redirect to the properly spelled page; if the creator of the page misspelled it, someone doing a search might also. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:20, 15 June 2007 (EDT)
 * I'd agree if it were Frederikshaven or Fredrikshavn; those look like plausible misspellings to me. But Frderikshavn looks like an error that is unlikely to be repeated, so I'd say delete rather than redirect. (WT-en) Pashley 03:33, 23 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:19, 4 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete.I'd agree if it were Frederikshaven or Fredrikshavn; those look like plausible misspellings to me. But Frderikshavn looks like an error that is unlikely to be repeated, so I'd say delete rather than redirect. The next possible iteration would be Friedrichafen,but that is much further south. So *Delete.(WT-en) Rachel52 18:10, 11 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect. Mispelt pages are one of the principal and most straightforward reasons to redirect a page. See Project:How to redirect a page. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:44, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Redirected to Frederikshavn --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 14:06, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

Image:TourismIran.jpg

 * Delete. Collage photo with too much going on and doesn't give the viewer a feel for Iran because there's too much going on.  There's no model release for the image of the little girl in the photo, even on the page from where the photo was taken .  Also, the photo is, or so I assume CC-by-SA 2.5, not CC-by-SA 1.0. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 00:31, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Keep.:: What did you expect? That this adorable Iranian girl (who is hardly recognizable btw) would sign a realease in english? The copyright and complete release for this picture has been given here: . For the rest, a Photo Composite is, by definition, a collage of individual pictures. On the contrary, there is nothing like it to convey a good first impression for a country. I personally find this picture beautiful. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 69.116.234.208 (talk • contribs)

 * Delete. I think the collage is rather nice, but the image falls afoul of Wikivoyage's image policy, which  is a lot more strict than Wikipedia's. The picture of the girl is absolutely adorable, but also a clear-cut violation of the privacy policy part of our image policy. We don't really expect anyone to get little Persian girls to sign release forms—but unless they do we are not going to use their portraits to promote our guides. I also think that the licensing is very iffy for this picture. As I understand it, we are not really accepting friendly messages saying "sure, go ahead and use my picture," because they do not indicate that the photographer understands that they are permanently releasing their image rights to the commons under CC-by-SA. This is especially important because such a release would allow commercial organizations to use this image to promote their own business.  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:47, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

 * On a very different note, Andrew, wasn't the "consensusish" determination of Project:Travellers' pub that it is perfectly fine to upload images that are CC-by-SA 2.5? I know I am still regularly doing just that. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:47, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
 * See I'm still not satisfied with that conversation and I'm disappointed there hasn't continued to be any discussion on the topic, especially by the whole community. Also, there's one instance where consensus means absolutely nothing and that's with regards to legally protecting ourselves, contributors, others' copyrights, and those who use our guides.  Consensus cannot decide what is acceptable to any court.  That's why I'm somewhat disappointed in that conversation, which I may try to revive again. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 02:29, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete – for reasons listed above and per the discussion on Talk:Iran, collages just aren't what we're looking for here... they tend to look too brochure-like. Peter, as I understand it you can use 2.5 images as long as the extra stipulations aren't stipulated (such as non-commercial). But I think "attribution" & "share-a-like" are ok – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 03:48, 23 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Ah, so as long as it says by-SA I'm good? Good. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 04:28, 23 June 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted, also deleted related Image:Persia.jpg for the same reasons --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 14:16, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

Wildlife watching

 * Delete: Has just no content. In a meanwhile I created a section in Travel Activities to breed content before it becomes a separate article. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 10:23, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep and redirect to Travel activities, agree with 58.8.1.171. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 17:03, 17 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Keep and redirect to Travel activities ~ 58.8.1.171 11:15, 17 June 2007 (EDT)

Done redirect. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 01:11, 19 June 2007 (EDT)
 * '''Redirect to Travel activities. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:19, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Redirected to Travel activities --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 14:20, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

Calangute Beach (aka Queen of all beaches)

 * Delete - Useless article name, currently redirects to Calangute. Calangute Beach also a redirect to Calangute already exists --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 08:40, 24 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. If "Queen of all beaches" is actually widely used (which I'm inclined to doubt, but it's 30+ years since I was in Goa), then add a redirect from that to Calangute. (WT-en) Pashley 10:18, 24 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Not needed. The phrase gets only 107 Google hits. Most are in Indian tourist literature; it seems to be a marketing phrase, not something widely used. (WT-en) Pashley 11:22, 24 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete - no-one will use that title in search. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:19, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 14:23, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

Getting around in the city
Created primarily as a spam-holder, but I don't think this makes a sensible travel topic. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:13, 25 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete for reasons stated by Jpatokal. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:19, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 14:27, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

Bostonmadec
Outcome: Speedy Deleted after anonymous user created this as test page. User was informed of the Project:Graffiti wall --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 15:15, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

Glow worm tunnel
Just an article about an abandoned tunnel that has become home to glow worms. Sounds an interesting place to visit, but it does not meet the criteria for being an independent article. I suggest merging it with the Wollemi National Park article as that it where it is located. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:24, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
 * This might be a reasonable candidate for moving to our growing cooperation with WikiOutdoors, but it certainly doesn't belong here. I'll ping the author to see if he can make the move.  Meanwhile, a call for help: the photo Image:Glow worm tunnel.jpg embedded in this article might move usefully to the Wollemi one.  However, it's missing release language, and I'm not confident that it's not a copyvio.  If it really was taken by the author, we can maybe overlook the release issue for right now, but can someone with the tools check to see whether it's out there somewhere else in copyvio-land? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:14, 6 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 22:09, 14 July 2007 (EDT)

Blasewitz

 * Delete. A very small official district of Dresden, which is not a "Huge City" (a city with districts) yet. -- (WT-en) DanielC 10:58, 3 June 2007 (EDT)
 * I am just editing the article. Compared to London districts it´s indeed very small, but it´s ideal for understanding Dresden as a city landscape. Last but not least it´s rather the center of the Dresden world hertiage area along the Elbe river. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 212.80.234.50 (talk • contribs)

 * Merge and redirect. If it's important to understand this info when visiting Dresden, it should be in Dresden (which is not by any means a huge article at this point).  If it turns out to be too much to fit there, then it could be separated. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 11:16, 3 June 2007 (EDT)
 * I increased the size of the Dresden article a little bit and linked to the central Blasewitz quarter because I believe this is not interesting for everybody, who just wants to read a little.

 * Merge and redirect for reasons stated above. (WT-en) WindHorse 22:19, 3 June 2007 (EDT)
 * done (merged the content (something more into Dresden) and embedded a link, from Dresden (city) to Blasewitz (quarter)). But I am brandnew to wikivoyage, so feel free to change thinks. (WT-en) Innosonic

 * Delete. It is really not worth menioning Blasewichs Dresden, on its own  yet. - xxx
 * Merge and redirect -- (WT-en) Colin 20:13, 2 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. I agree with DanielC. (WT-en) Rachel52 17:52, 11 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. I started to go with the merge-and-redirect option, but frankly, couldn't find enough Wikivoyage-type content to merge.  There's Wikipedia-style information in there, but this isn't Wikipedia. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 22:21, 14 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete. I agree with DanielC.

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 13:16, 15 July 2007 (EDT)

Bangkok To saigon overland
This is just a redirect and there's another at Bangkok to Saigon overland. (WT-en) Pashley 13:02, 5 July 2007 (EDT) I agree. Keep as redirect. (WT-en) WindHorse 00:21, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete no need to keep duplications. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:55, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep. Yes there is no need to keep duplications, but neither is there any reason to delete them. There is also the possibility that useless redirects will boost hits for Wikivoyage's articles. ''Keep per current deletion policy. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:15, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Looks like a clear keep (as redirect) to me. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 22:25, 14 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Kept as redirect. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 17:43, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

Overland Europe to South-Asia
Just a redirect and we have another at Overland Europe to South Asia. (WT-en) Pashley 13:57, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Keep. There's no harm in keeping it and there is at least the potential benefit that someone's finger may someday hit the hyphen key by mistake when searching. Unless I misunderstand, I don't think there is cause for us to delete redirects unless they are misleading people. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:50, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep as redirect. Adding a hyphen is a common error. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:55, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

This is interesting. I was going to just speedy delete both this and the one above; it seemed obvious to me (and still does) that they are errors and should go. However, I decided to list them here instead. I'm quite amazed that people want to keep them. (WT-en) Pashley 01:51, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

 * It's not a desire to keep them as much as a lack of desire to delete them. If you had speedy deleted these redirects, I'm sure no one would have objected—but I just don't think that getting rid of redirects is something we should occupy ourselves with. And the Project:Deletion policy states that "As a general rule redirection pages should not be deleted... unless the redirect is unlinked and redirects to a deleted article and changing the link does not make sense." --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:48, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Outcome: Kept as redirect --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 04:05, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Grosvenor Arch
A rock, impressive, but still just a rock --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 15:45, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
 * DELETE Even I can decide this one. (WT-en) OldPine 15:47, 7 July 2007 (EDT) Redirect OK, maybe not.(WT-en) OldPine 16:20, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Redirect – See Wikivoyage_talk:Votes_for_deletion – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 16:04, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Of course, a redirect will make sense here. Bryce Canyon National Park seems close enough (about 25 miles?). It can then be listed under the get out section there --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 16:14, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Redirect to the place Grosvenor Arch is actually in: Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument. On Skutumpah Rd, 25 miles can take a while ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:40, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Redirect to Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:55, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Outcome: Kept as redirect --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 04:10, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Utah Heritage Highway 89

 * Delete. Article was original created as a placeholder for images which have since been VFD'd.  Now it's just an empty itinerary template, which is of no use to travelers.  If someone wants to create an actual itinerary in the future they could always do so, but for now I think we should get rid of this. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:16, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. Absolutely beautiful road though. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:06, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete – I agree that itineraries should start with some usable info in them rather than making templates for people to fill out later – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 18:22, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete. 01:40, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete Agree on the usefulness criteria. (WT-en) OldPine 13:41, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Outcome: Deleted --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 04:17, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Macedonian
Redirects to itself, can redirect it to Macedonia, but that seems like a wasted redirect --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 17:19, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Speedy redirect to Macedonian phrasebook. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:25, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Speedy redirect I went ahead and redirected this. If consensus is to delete, we can do that at the appropriate time. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 19:56, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
 * I Just wanted to add that I checked Russian, Georgian, Armenian, Spanish, Portuguese, and Chinese—they all redirect to their respective phrasebooks. So I would prefer that we redirect to Macedonian phrasebook, rather than Macedonia. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:58, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
 * I don't object. That is better. done. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 21:03, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Redirecting to phrasebook is a good solution. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:55, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Outcome: Kept as redirect --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 04:21, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

メインページ
Redirect to ja: language version --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 17:22, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. It just says 'main page'. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:55, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. I think it is our practice to speedy delete articles with article titles in foreign alphabets. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:57, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Outcome: Deleted --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 04:25, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Nalanda
Merge?? 152.132.10.134 17:24, 3 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Merge into Patna and make this a redirect. (WT-en) Pashley 20:40, 3 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep. It is a famous tourist destination and there is accommodation nearby that serves people visiting the ruins. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:19, 4 July 2007 (EDT)
 * OK, if that's the case I'll go along with keep. (WT-en) Pashley 01:28, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
 * KEEP.. the information is not there. But it is a major tourist and pilgrimage destination —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 122.167.142.227 (talk • contribs)
 * Outcome: Kept --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 04:30, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Yotvata
Too fine-grained. 152.132.10.134
 * Might be worth keeping, though. It is only a few hundred people but it might be a destination for some travellers. (WT-en) Pashley 20:36, 3 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep. It's not a big place, but few in the middle of the Negev are. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:07, 3 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep . It is like a small town: . (WT-en) WindHorse 23:19, 4 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Undecided. Can you sleep there?  If not, is there somewhere nearby where you can?  More info, please. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:44, 5 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Good point - I thought I'd seen a link for accommodation on their web site, but I was mistaken. Generally, such places would be best listed it as an attraction on a regional page, but there is no address on the website, which implies they do not encourage visitors. So, perhaps delete is the best option. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:48, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Merge and redirect to Eilat, which is about 40km away. Under "projects" on their website it talks about being able to stay there as part of a volunteer program (2 months minimum) or to study Hebrew (5 months)... so it's of interest to long-term travelers, but I don't think qualifies for its own article. – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 02:32, 15 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Merge and redirect looks best, given the can-you-sleep-there concerns. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:43, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Redirected. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:50, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Semporna, Banaganapalli, Nandyal, Hailuoto
Almost empty articles.  Speedy delete please! --(WT-en) Flip666 writeme! • 06:51, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Keep. Actual places should be templated into actual destinations or redirected to the nearest appropriate place, not deleted. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:35, 12 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep and template as they are all actual destinations: Semporna, Banaganapalli , Nandyal and Hailuoto . (WT-en) WindHorse 04:37, 13 July 2007 (EDT)
 * I agree that all of these are actual destinations and if you would template/redirect/fill in information I would be happy to take back my vfd. But I do not know anything about these places so I'd rather delete them than keep them in their current form. --(WT-en) Flip666 writeme! • 19:57, 12 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep. If you template it, they will fill it in. I've created some almost empty articles, Yinchuan for example, and had people add to them. (WT-en) Pashley 03:47, 13 July 2007 (EDT)
 * I've templated all four places and added some basic info. (WT-en) WindHorse 04:36, 13 July 2007 (EDT)
 * I am in Semporna right now and have just added a lot of missing information to almost all sections. This should address the concerns of Flip666. I propose to remove the vote for deletion message from the Semporna page immediately. (WT-en) Robert 09:45, 19 July 2007 (EDT)
 * all articles now contain at least information about the location, so I'll remove the vfds. Thanks everyone and special thanks to Robert for the information about Semporna! --(WT-en) Flip666 writeme! • 12:00, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: vfd withdrawn. --(WT-en) Flip666 writeme! • 09:49, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

JamamLatvija2007
I have no idea what this is, but it's not an article. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:11, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Speedy delete OK for this one. I'll do it if I get time. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:03, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Speedy delete. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:54, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Japan Temple Stay
Already covered in in Japan. (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:48, 4 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep - a lot of people go to Japan purely to study meditation and/or Zen and Japan has a small network of temples that cater specifically to overseas students (In fact there is a guide book purely dedicated to providing this info: 'Where to Meditate in Japan' published by Weatherhill). Having a dedicated page offering this information will save those seeking a place to stay and learn meditation from having to trawl through regional and prefectural articles - though maybe the title of the article could be changed to indicate that it is not just a page about home stay in a temple.  (WT-en) WindHorse 23:19, 4 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep, but improve the name, maybe "Meditation in Japan" or "Studying Zen"? Tag it as a travel topic or an itinerary. It could be either and several different titles might make sense. Let whoever does the work decide on those details. (WT-en) Pashley 01:24, 6 July 2007 (EDT)

OK - how about 'Meditation in Japan' as the new title as Pashley suggests and run the article as travel topic. I'll be happy to set up the format along the lines suggested by Cacahuate once a decision has been made. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:48, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep, but rename to something else... I like this as a travel topic, as long as it sticks to pointers like it's doing now... This temple in this place. The details of the specific places should still be in the appropriate city/region articles – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 18:17, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Keep, because it is useful. Disclaimer: I am the original author of the page. I wrote it after I planned a meditation stay in Japan and could not found much related data to it. In classical guidebooks such as the Lonely Planet, this topic is only marginally covered. I agree to the "pointer" approach (having also edited Eiheiji and Antaiji). A better name would be fine. Also, a broader scope (e.g. "Meditation Stays around the World") would be an option.

 * OK, I think we have consensus on this, although I suppose we have to wait out 7 more days until the VFD tag can be removed. I'll move the article to "Meditation in Japan", and it can then be linked to from appropriate articles. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:39, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

 * delete, a definate delete candidate as pointed out by (WT-en) Jpatokal . It looks ridiculous if we keep repeating ourself. It was already covered in in Japan#Sleep. (WT-en) Rachel52 18:22, 11 July 2007 (EDT)
 * NB: In reference to Rachel152's comments. She is correct that temples are mentioned on the sleep section of the Japan article and so adding the information again would be unnecessary, but Jpatokal (based on the above consensus) has changed the title to 'Meditation in Japan'. This subject is not covered on the main article or on any other Japan related article. Therefore, I reiterate my vote to Keep as a 'pointer' travel topic. (WT-en) WindHorse 20:57, 11 July 2007 (EDT)
 * delete, a definate delete candidate. Why to re-iterate sometin that is already in wikivoyage??

Outcome: Kept, but renamed to Meditation in Japan (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:19, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

OHV Riding in Oregon
This entire travel topic looks to me like a copyright violation from, unless they are violating our copyright. The main host for that url is in Arabic, so I am having some trouble sorting it out. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:12, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

The page you cite has a label at the bottom saying Creative Commons license, so this could be a copy without being a copyright violation. It is a strange page, not in our usual format and with many external links, but the info might be useful to travellers. As the vfd notice says, we'd rather fix than delete articles. Any volunteers for fixing this one? (WT-en) Pashley 02:18, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Ah, that was a hard-to-see copyright notice! I'm inclined to speedy keep this, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to leave the plea for a MoS overhaul here for a day or two. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:02, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep for fixing. Good eye on the license! (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 10:55, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Kept. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:58, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Bed and breakfasts
Not an article and has been carrying the copyvio banner for more than a year now --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 11:17, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete . --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:47, 10 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep and rewrite. We have an article on hotels, and one on hostels. I think we gotta cover it. (I'll take a shot at it if you want... just let me know as I seldom get sucked onto this page. Shoulda blown out the copyvio stuff long ago. Shouldn't we have a place we keep track of these copyvios and their age? (WT-en) OldPine 20:03, 11 July 2007 (EDT) (Thanks for listening ;)
 * Hey if you are willing to tackle the article, I'll gladly withdraw my delete vote. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:39, 11 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep if Old Pine is prepared to turn it into into a worthy travel topic. (WT-en) WindHorse 20:57, 11 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep - Some may look at this as an "alternative", others may see it as "best choice available". In some rural areas, it may be "best choice available". I have stayed in a couple of them, with lady friends, in Holmes County. It was a good choice and it added much to the visit. If all do not want, or cannot participate in the activities, they have a pleasant place to sit it out. (WT-en) 2old 13:05, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
 * OK, I've kind of stalled out on this, was hoping someone would jump on board. Article is just fair at this point I'd say. I've never actually stayed in a B&B. I still think it's an article that should be here--hopefully to be improved. (WT-en) OldPine 13:28, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Keep - I think its worthy of being around, and will get improved over time. – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 00:16, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Kept. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:11, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

Good Bye Lenin Hostel
Not an article. Might be worth merging into Krakow, Zakopane and Wroclaw, tho. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:44, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete - I already deleted it a few days ago and left a note on the anon contribs talk page, but it was recreated the next day. Hotels qualify for speedy deletion under our current policy, but seeing that it didn't work the first time, maybe let's leave it here for a while so that maybe the contributor sees it. – (WT-en) cacahuate   talk 00:04, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Speedy delete (had already been deleted once). -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:51, 29 July 2007 (EDT)

Baobab Trees
Outcome: Speedy deleted - No content and not an article --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 07:53, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

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title: Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/July 2007