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Talk:Kingman Reef

VFD Discussion
After some discussions on wiaa, I've been going through our uninhabited island articles to see if there was a good way to frame exceptions to the policy, because from an armchair traveller point of view, I quite like many of them. The reasonable suggestions seem to be based on uninhabited island that could be visited (by tourists, researchers, or military) and that are such a distance from other places that including them elsewhere makes no sense.

This article does not fit this exception. As well as being uninhabited, it can't be visited, and WP says it is more of a maritime hazard than an island, being underwater at high tide. Its not a good place to anchor your boat, or to set up a tent. As a result, it has a very encyclopaedic feel, rather than a travel guide. Perhaps we should leave WP to document this one? --(WT-en) inas 08:11, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

 * Redirect. Since it's a real place a redirect seems to make more sense than a delete.  It looks like Line Islands would be the best redirect target? -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:37, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

 * Really? Thats a disamb page itself.  Its only purpose is to direct people elsewhere. --(WT-en) inas 08:08, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

 * Redirect to Kiribati would be the move I think. Kingman is part of the Northern Line Islands, which are covered by our Kiribati article. It is not officially part of Kiribati but could very easily be covered there with one or two sentences. Alternatively, redirect to Oceania with a similar two sentence profile. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 08:27, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

 * Hmmm - we could add something like If you happen to be saling to Hawaii, be careful about 500km north that you don't run into it?. If we decide to redirect, I'd throw my weight behind Oceania.  We already have a small section there for uninhabited and unvisitable, lets just redirect this miscellany to there.  --(WT-en) inas 00:21, 2 June 2010 (EDT)

 * Redirect to Line Islands, I think slapping this together with Kiribati, while a reasonable line of thought, is a slippery slope. Line Islands is fine, even if its a disamb page, since it would tell the would be traveller roughly where the place is. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 17:42, 8 June 2010 (EDT)

Result: Redirected to Line Islands. If anyone feels strongly that this should be redirected elsewhere go for it - I chose the Line Islands simply because there were two votes for it. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:42, 14 June 2010 (EDT)

Undo redirect?
It just seems strange that we're redirecting a place in the U.S. to some place in a completely different country. Also, how are we going to handle it if/when the reef becomes a UNESCO World Heritage Site as part of the Pacific Remote Islands Marine National Monument? -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:38, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Kingscote

merge?
i think this article could be easily merged with Kangaroo Island. I'm not sure we have the detail of information here yet, or that the traveler will want to go through several articles for much the same info on Kangaroo Island. If noone objects, I'll merge this info into Kangaroo Island. If there comes a time where that article is overflowing with info, the towns can be separated. --(WT-en) Inas 00:52, 21 February 2009 (EST)

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Talk:Kings County

Does this page need moving to Kings County (California) ?

 * No, see Talk:Champaign_County. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 22:45, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Kingston (Jamaica)

Institute of Jamaica
I've removed this from the listings, because (from reading the website) it appears as though the institute itself is not a museum but that it overseas many of the city's museums:
 * Institute of Jamaica, 12 East St., Phone: +1 876-922-0620. M-Th 9:30AM-5PM, F 9:30AM-4PM. Home to the museums of Jamaican national and West Indian history, art galleries and a West Indian Reference Library with the world's largest collection of its kind.

If the institute itself is a museum or an attraction that can be visited, feel free to add it back to the article. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 02:58, 4 December 2009 (EST)

Terminology
Can persons please stop calling the residential areas of Jamaica suburbs. We don't call them suburbs. There is town - uptown and downtown, and country. Also other classifications but no suburbs. If the writers would like to make persons understand what a local would mean by uptown and downtown, then explain, but don't call it something that it is not called by persons who live there. Maybe the writer did not know this or is more familiar with their own terminology, but persons should learn how citizens of the actual country describe where they live.

Warningbox
For background to insertion of Warning Box please see. (WT-en) Shep 14:38, 20 May 2010 (EDT)

Destination of the Month?
We had very few features from the Caribbean. Would this article be good enough for a Destination of the Month? Or is something missing? /Yvwv (talk) 19:14, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Kingston (Ontario)

Ristorante Luigina
GOOD DAY, we at RISTORANTE LUIGINA have come across the review written about our Restaurant. We are not sure the source, but we are thankful for the appreciation for our cuisine. We, however, DO NOT AGREE WITH THE "SPLURGE" HEADING, and the "above $50 and $100" quote, as we feel that for an average meal (appetizer, main, dessert and glass of wine) the pricing woul be approximately $37 per person. Furthermore, this price is actually lower than the other Restaurants mentioned, even though the quality of our food, service, and anbience is higher.

Fixed, May 16 2007.

 * This article in a student newspaper, while dated, might be a good source for restaurants and activities. Some of what's there is off-topic here (such as province-wide grocer chains or on-campus entities like Quiet Pub which market only to Queen's students) but there are a few good suggestions. I haven't tried to do anything with this info as we already have many "eat/drink" listings; perhaps the independent booksellers and art galleries should be added as "buy" or "do". Grand Theatre is also missing. We had Toucan twice (eat and drink) so I left them under "eat" as pub-style food. K7L (talk) 03:41, 24 October 2012 (CEST)

Status
This article is easily upgradable by unpacking some of the links and adding the addresses/phones/hours. (WT-en) OldPine 18:32, 30 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Quite bluntly, the "sleep" section as it currently stands is rubbish. Of the five expanded listings, two were a list of Journey's End (Comfort Inn) locations and the other three were duplicates of "Fort Henry Motel" mostly in areas (such as downtown or the 401) where they geographically do *not* belong (the motel is on Highway 2 east of the Barriefield army base and the listing itself is puffery. Friendly staff? Clean sheets? That'd be the owner's opinion of their own product, and unless we also eagerly start listing motels advertising unfriendly staff and dirty sheets as key selling points, entirely useless. Every motel has staff. Every motel has sheets. This is Barriefield, not Mogadishu.). I'd be prepared to lose a bit of sleep in Kingston to expand the few inline mentions of places that are notable (the Ambassador and Lasalle, the Fireside Inn, the waterfront hotels) but am sorely tempted to ask if a motel which expands the same listing three times should simply be removed entirely. Listings which claim to be geographically "near" absolutely everything (including the casino and Thousand Islands parkway, which belong in some other town and not Kingston) also look dodgy. K7L (talk) 04:28, 22 October 2012 (CEST)
 * When there are sufficient sleep entries, our accommodation policy allows us to do exactly that. We keep the low quality entries only until we have good alternatives.  --Inas (talk) 04:54, 22 October 2012 (CEST)
 * I've expanded a few of the hotels which were mentioned in passing (such as the Ambassador, a conference centre near the rail station) but am unsure what to do if a property in a prominent location (city hall/waterfront) is a candidate for a "don't go". Built circa-1980, originally a member of a famous chain with 28 ice cream flavours (it has since lost that affiliation, even as the chain itself declined) and neglected until part of the parking lot collapsed in 2010: http://www.thewhig.com/2010/04/29/garage-collapses (currently omitted from this Kingston article per avoid negative reviews, but...) Disappointing as this was once at the high-end of the market, but at some point this is a safety issue. K7L (talk) 16:25, 25 October 2012 (CEST)
 * I presume that should be https://web.archive.org/web/20180720225502/www.thewhig.com/2010/04/29/garage-collapses ? —The preceding comment was added by 66.102.87.40 (talk • contribs)

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Talk:Kingston upon Hull

Spelling
Please use only British English (e.g. centre, colour, programme). Do not use American English (e.g. center, color, program).

This article and its name
I am really impressed with the changes to this article in recent weeks. Reads very well and does credit to the city. Well done to all involved. One question, isn't the official name of the city Kingston-upon-Hull, rather than the name we use? --(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:34, 18 January 2010 (EST)

 * As far as I was concerned, the city's common name is just Hull. Does anybody ever call it Kingston?  Should be renamed IMO --(WT-en) inas 22:43, 18 January 2010 (EST)

 * Common name is Hull yes and it could easily be renamed to that. Same goes for a large number of cities where we use the formal names. Almost another a house-keeping task :) --(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:50, 18 January 2010 (EST)

 * I lived just across the Humber for a while, and I never even knew this town was called Kingston on Hull until I saw this article, and I'm still not really convinced :-) --(WT-en) inas 22:55, 18 January 2010 (EST)

 * I live across the North sea, and I'm also a question about the city's naming. I come across Kingston Upon Hull and Hull (Humberside). I think they are the same. (WT-en) Rein N. 05:12, 19 January 2010 (EST)

 * Yes they are. Those categories should be merged. Hull (Humberside), Kingston Upon Hull, Kingston-upon-Hull (the official name) are all the same place. It should probably all be swept into Hull, the common name for the city. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:19, 19 January 2010 (EST)

 * Hull is a disambiguation page here on WT:En, because there is more than one place called Hull all over the world. --(WT-en) Rein N. 06:39, 19 January 2010 (EST)

 * Ah yeah, see that now. In that case I think the title of this article should be Kingston-upon-Hull, which is the official name I believe. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:16, 19 January 2010 (EST)

We have numerous cities called the same thing, and yet that doesn't cause us to redirect to a non-common name. If we believe the city should be called Hull, the existence of a disamb page is no obstacle to doing so. I have no problem with using official names that are common, but this one seems obscure to me. A quick google search shows the Hull City Council, Google Maps which has Hull. OSM uses Hull - unless I'm missing something.. --(WT-en) inas 17:38, 24 January 2010 (EST)

 * Thanks for your positive comments. The name that appears in the charter of 1st April 1299 (of which I have a facsimile) calls the town 'Kyngeston upon Hull' (viz King's Town, after Edward 1). This became Kingston upon Hull without hyphens. Officail documents don't have the hyphen though many bits put out by the City Council just use 'Hull'. However, Bulmer's Gazetteer of 1892 refers to the town as 'Kingston on Hull' which is not correct. It may be of interest that the official name of Sutton, to the east of Hull, is Sutton upon Hull. There are other Hulls in the world e.g. in Canada (to which I have been) but the correct title of the town in Britain is Kingston upon Hull though within the UK the town is commonly called 'Hull'. European mail and other international mail sometimes uses the full title of Kingston upon Hull. This, I suspect, is because of automatic post code recognition. Anyway, thanks for noting the additions/improvements. (WT-en) Gnomy96)

 * Interesting history. Still, the usage of the name in your comments, (i.e you call it Hull when speaking informally), I think means that we should also call this Hull.  Even if we stick with official names, it would seem like the 'U' should be lower case.  --(WT-en) inas 19:41, 4 February 2010 (EST)

Perhaps the title could say 'Hull, properly called Kingston upon Hull, is a major city in the north east of England'. That might 'fix' the name problem. The 'Upon' should have a lower case 'u' ((WT-en) Gnomy96)

 * Good stories Gnomy:). "Properly" though is it hyphenated or not? I thought so. I.e. Kingston-upon-Hull.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 08:50, 5 February 2010 (EST)

No hypens as far as I can assertain. However, a more important point is that on the web page 'upon' has a capital 'U' which certainly is not correct. Also I'm not sure how a search could be engineered to lead a person to this page if you just Googled 'Hull' as that brings up a miriad of things not connected to the page in question. Anyway thanks Burmesedays for your interest in these matters ((WT-en) Gnomy96)

 * OK, let's immediately change that clear mistake then. Interestingly, the local council calls it Kingston-upon-Hull (with hyphens) but no-one else seems to! --(WT-en) Burmesedays 21:15, 5 February 2010 (EST)

Re hyphens. Yes Burmesedays I had noticed that the council site, and one or two others, have hyphens but I can't find a non electronic version with them. The one on the web will be 'down to' the 'web master'. Like many such things this current 'hyphenated' discussion has started to concern me and I will go to 'official sources' to unravel what to me is now a 'discomfort'! ((WT-en) Gnomy96)

 * Google returns this article as the #1 ranking for 'Hull' (on wikivoyage), and the disamb next. Clever search engine, that one.  --(WT-en) inas 23:38, 10 February 2010 (EST)

I have requested a city centre map on the shared site. I wrote a lot of the original content back in 2006-07 of which fragments remain and am delighted with the sterling work that has gone into it from all contributors since. Well done everybody. Now let's get up to star status! (WT-en) Radiator4612 21:48, 10 August 2010 (EDT)

This article
It is very good. It is therefore a little crazy to see it at usable status and not up at guide. The reason for that is purely the sleep listings. If someone could put in the contact details and little bit of blurb about the hotels, then this article would go straight up to guide status. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:04, 7 February 2010 (EST)

Will give that some thought ((WT-en) Gnomy96)

Does anyone know why there is a delay (if thats what it is) between editing and the appearance of the changes on the web. When reopening the page next day changes which seem to have been made say on the late 9th Feb don't seem to have been uploaded. However, when going back into login/edit sequence they still appear on the editing board dispite the page having been saved. ((WT-en) Gnomy96)

 * That's an issue with the IB cache servers and an irritating one. You can nearly alwys get the current version up by going to edit and hitting the purge cache link at the bottom of the edit page.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:49, 10 February 2010 (EST)

Yes, it's probably above 'Usable'. Who decides ((WT-en) Gnomy96)

 * There is no decision procedure for what is and is not a guide article. If any article is promoted, it will be get knocked back to usable if it is not up to scratch. I think this article is excellent and once it has some fully completed hotel listings (website, address, price, phone, brief description), you could safely put it up to guide.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 21:02, 10 February 2010 (EST)

 * I agree. --(WT-en) inas 21:15, 10 February 2010 (EST)

Thanks for all encouragement. Still things to add as well as more photos. Have emailed Hull (or 'ull as it sometimes called!) City Council about hypens in their web page! Await reply! ((WT-en) Gnomy96)

I've actually emailed them about 'hyphens'!((WT-en) Gnomy96)

 * I await the outcome :). A couple of other things about this aticle,. It is remarkably lacking in website urls. None for any of the attractions and very few for hotels. That ought to be put right. Also the correct format for a url is with the http:// and inside [ ]. And those great trails you have detailed under Get around, would be better as walking itineraries in the Do section I think. I will make that change.--[[User:(WT-en) Burmesedays|]Burmesedays] 09:27, 14 February 2010 (EST)

Burmesedays--Re hyphens --checked trying to find correct HCC 'hyphen' dept. Treacle running! Re web sites. I put some in but not active as I don't know how it is done. Be my guest with walking. Re web pages can you explain how its done or point me to the correct place or is it just as you said above ie all inside [ ] or can you do that for me with the ones already in? Some editing things are not easy to find --viz just spent some time working out how to enlarge 'Charterhouse'. Also was concerned about the positioning of See, was it enclosed in two lines or had two lines above it? What's your time difference to GMT. ((WT-en) Gnomy96)

 * I am GMT +8, when I am at home. On hotel listings here are two examples of WT "acceptable" formats for a guide article. The templated version is preferred (just select the relevant template from the bottom of the edit screen, in this case Hotels) but not compulsory.  Please do ask if anything is unclear.

 * Non-templated
 * Villa Hanis Boutique Hotel, Tel: +62 274 867 567. An elegant original Javanese wooden house, fully restored into a modern standard Boutique Villa. It is located in Jalan Palagan, 600m north of the Hyatt hotel and about 5 kilometers from the center of Yogyakarta.Villa Hanis has a 200 m2 private garden with private pool and view on the majestic Mount Merapi.

 * Templated
 * A high quality, multi award-winning hostel in a converted Victorian mansion. Has private rooms as well as a number of dorm options. Offers free WiFi, breakfast included in the price and nice touches such as serving free trade coffee only. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:15, 16 February 2010 (EST)

Too many images
This article is getting to where it has 3-4 times as many images as it should. Suggestions on what to axe? (WT-en) Texugo 09:53, 25 February 2010 (EST)

 * Agreed. User:(WT-en) Gnomy96 has done fantastic work on this article, but there are way too many images. I think we should leave it to him to cut them back.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:56, 25 February 2010 (EST)

Oh dear, 3-4 times -- those comments are a bit disappointing!!! Pity. I thought the photos helped to break up the text and act as pointers to what can be seen and where you physically are in the place. In my various travels round cities and writing diaries etc. photos, drawings etc have always been an aid to getting to grips with a place. See the Michelin Guides. Mind you I wouldn't mind some of them being smaller (I have tried) to make them less intrusive but have yet to get to grips with that aspect but that may be the answer. Similarly the connection to web pages of hotels. ((WT-en) Gnomy96)

 * No real worries, but you do need to lose half of them I reckon. Cheer yourself up by changing the article status to guide. Great work. Any news on the hyphens? :) --(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:04, 25 February 2010 (EST)
 * Sorry to disappoint, but we have an established policy on this. Please see this policy. It states:
 * "Image use in articles should be kept at the minimum necessary to get across a point or impression. Travellers may be using Wikivoyage from networks with very low bandwidth. In some countries, an Internet café with 10 computers connected to a single 56k modem is fairly common, even travelers in developed countries can often be limited to 10k mobile GPRS access. This doesn't mean no images, just no more images than are necessary"

(WT-en) Texugo 11:05, 25 February 2010 (EST)

 * If deleting it is too painful Gnomy, let us I know and I will do a cull for you. -(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:13, 25 February 2010 (EST)

When I just looked at the page all the images where under each other on the right (anyone moved them?) which is not where they where. I have just replaced them in the position where I left them which looks better. As I said I think the thing to do is to first reduce some in size which is what I intended at first so don't cull yet! You computer literate folk may know how do you alter the size? Please tell. If size is the real prob they can be reduced in byte size. ((WT-en) Gnomy96)

Noticed that the photos rearranged (left and right) have just gone back to all right which looks terrible. Is this a glitch or is it being changed. Please tell. ((WT-en) Gnomy96)

 * I have moved them. It is standard practice around here that all images go on the right. (WT-en) Texugo 11:34, 25 February 2010 (EST)

That 'rule' or practice seems a little unfortunate. Is it a Wikivoyage rule or practice? ((WT-en) Gnomy96)

 * It is an established practice which holds true even for all our best articles. It doesn't appear to be enshrined in policy except for an unfinished style page here and the encouragement here to always use a thumb, which defaults on the right. I am not aware of any cases in which the community has agreed to make an exception. If it looks terrible, it's just because there are far too many images. (WT-en) Texugo 11:56, 25 February 2010 (EST)

 * There is a good reason for this rule (and practice and rules are basically the same here—both represent a consensus, one implicit and the other explicit—and to change a near-universal, accepted practice, one must start a policy discussion to build a new consensus, which is the same process required to change a policy). The reason is that left aligned images make it hard (for me at least) to quickly skim an article—you cannot simply run down the left side of the page for headers and names. Left aligned images can also break up text in unpredictable ways given the different display resolutions and screen sizes used by different Wikivoyageers.

 * As of right now, there might be just a few too many (really nice, high quality) photos, but it will look much better if you space them out more evenly. That will also make it clearer whether there are too many, or if it just looks that way because they are so tightly clustered. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 12:08, 25 February 2010 (EST)

 * Personally, I'd like to see no more than one great photo of each attraction (some of them have 3 or 4 pictures), and make them a little bigger. (WT-en) Texugo 12:13, 25 February 2010 (EST)

Argh - I see this has been written by people who love Hull just a little bit too much. The restaurant section really needs revising. There is no way that all of those restaurants are 'fantastic' or '#insert superlative here'. I am from Hull, so please don't shoot me down. The travel guide should actually help people to make informed choices.

Hull round II
We never really came to a firm conclusion on the name of this article (see above). However, there seems to be strong consensus that Hull is very much the commonly used name, and I would therefore like to propose we change the name. Kingston upon Hull (and common variant mis-spellings with hyphens etc) would become redirects.--(WT-en) burmesedays 05:42, 5 September 2011 (EDT)
 * Keep it at "Kingston upon Hull" while its full name is rarely spoken of it is used in sources like maps and encyclopedias and it is also used on signs and some travel guides furthermore as noted "Hull" is a DAB anyway. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:44, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Kinkasan

Kinkasan = Gold Flower Mountain. Things to do misses the most interesting aspect about this island -- a free roaming troop of Japanese Macaques (a.k.a. rhesus monkeys). I followed the troop of 30-40 individuals around for a couple of days and thoroughly enjoyed myself. Beware -- you will be picking leaches off yourself at days end. Stay at the shrine.

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Talk:Kintamani

Started to expand this page. Also put in place redirects to here from Toya Bungkah, Penelokan, Lake Batur and Mount Batur. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 06:55, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Kinugawa

Negative comments reverted
I have reverted the negative (but absolutely truthful) comments about Kinugawa, which were helpfully deleted by Mr Anonymous 58.87.201.18. There is no question about the truthfulness of those phrases, and I intend to keep an eye on this page to ensure it doesn't happen again. Before removing any controversial phrases, please discuss on this page. (WT-en) Dox96 01:01, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

When did Wstern Village close?
It used to display a "recently closed" message. But "recently" means nothing to us. I updated it to say "sometime before 2014-01-26" (today's date), but if we knew when the place closed, we'd know whether to remove it from the listing already. --Orcrist (talk) 09:51, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * According to Japanese Wikipedia, it closed in 2006 so I removed it from the page. — Fabimaru (talk) 19:00, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Kir

VFD discussion
I like cocktails and all, but they don't get their own articles around here.
 * Delete (WT-en) Texugo 00:08, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect to Kerak. It's an old name for that city. (Does anyone else find it surprising that there are no town called Kir at the moment? It just looks and sounds like it should be a place name) --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 00:56, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep & redirect to Kerak ~ 203.189.134.3 07:33, 10 October 2007 (EDT)`
 * Yup. (WT-en) Texugo 20:57, 11 October 2007 (EDT)
 * I've just converted it to a redirect, but the tag is still there for now. ~ 202.71.45.37 05:57, 12 October 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Redirected to Kerak --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 03:56, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Kiribati

General
For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Kiribati/CIA World Factbook 2002 import. -- (WT-en) Huttite 03:29, 28 Mar 2005 (EST)

Tarawa a city?
I know that Tarawa is the main island. Does it also consitute a city? I wonder if the concept of city really even makes sense in a country like Kiribati? --(WT-en) Dawnview 01:36, 22 September 2006 (EDT)

Regions?
Should each island group be a region, rather than listing each island on the main page? That takes up a lot of space in a way that seems more Wikipedia-ish. -- (WT-en) Jonboy 11:08, 25 December 2006 (EST)

Currency, time and spelling conventions
Below is a proposed infobox to let readers know which formatting conventions to use in Wikivoyage articles. Do you agree with these proposals? If you have direct knowledge of what is most commonly used in the country, please let us know. Ground Zero (talk) 19:00, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

 * Moved to the top of this page. Ground Zero (talk) 04:53, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Kirkcaldy

Try the Harbour Bar, High Street, Kirkcaldy next to, you've guessed it, the harbour. A former CAMRA Scottish pub of the year winner and U.K. runner-up, it has its own micro brewery and serves up to six real ales daily.

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Talk:Kirkwood

vfd discussion

 * Delete. I can't find a Kirkwood, Washington and the author doesn't seem sure, either.  -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 14:47, 28 March 2006 (EST)
 * Delete fine whatever i ? (WT-en) Traveler2006 14:48, 28 March 2006 (EST)  yeah you are right but i know their must be one iam not insane! (WT-en) Traveler2006 14:49, 28 March 2006 (EST)
 * Keep. According to Wikipedia there are a lot of Kirkwoods in the US.  This page should be a disambiguation page to them. -- (WT-en) Ryan 15:19, 28 March 2006 (EST)
 * Keep. I didn't do my due diligence in searching.  I stopped with Google and was too specific.  Thanks for the sanity check Ryan. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 15:21, 28 March 2006 (EST)
 * Keep. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 16:47, 28 March 2006 (EST)
 * Keep. - I went ahead and created a dab page for this. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 18:49, 28 March 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Kish

French Page
Could someone create a French format for Kish? I am having the Kish youth group type up the information in French, but I'm unsure how to create the page in French. Thanks! (WT-en) Cupcakecommander 01:46, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Kish Island

According to Wikipedia, Qeshm and Kish are different islands! (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:10, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Scuba for women
Can women do scuba diving in Kish Island? I'm thinking about how it would be possible to wear a skin tight wetsuit which is against the Islamic dress code... 86.131.39.232 20:25, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Kissimmee

2005-12
This page was moved to "Kissimmee" (Previously mispelled as "Kissimme").

--(WT-en) Oddcomments 09:50, 9 Dec 2005 (EST)

Spam Filter
Anyone having issues with this comment when you try to change something that isn't even related to external links? The page you wanted to save was blocked by the spam filter —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Kissimmeeheartoffl (talk • contribs)

 * Fixed. This article is a magnet for hotels and links that aren't in compliance with Project:External links and Apt and it looks like a site that was blacklisted had been added to this article prior to blacklisting. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:41, 30 November 2009 (EST)

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Talk:Kitakyushu

This article has come a long way in just two days! Great work! (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:16, 29 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Thank you very much. When I get started I work hard and fast... (WT-en) Historian 06:52, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:Kitakyushu Airport

Please read the Project:What is an article guideline before adding to this article. I think this information should be incorporated into Kitakyushu and have recommended this article for deletion. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:38, 27 Jul 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:Kitchener

Nothing about culture? When I wrote in this article it was mentioned that the Center in the Square was a major atraction. How about including this again? G Stortz —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 74.109.35.69 (talk • contribs) 31 Dec 2006

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Talk:Kitsap County

Is Kitsap County the same as the Kitsap Peninsula, smaller or larger? - (WT-en) Huttite 03:30, 19 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * County is smaller than the peninsula: see Kitsap Peninsula. (Unlinking the reference to the soon-to-disappear county article. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 18:48, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Klagenfurt

I'm not sure to leave the slovenian name for the city in the article, since many carinthian cities and villages have both: german and slovenian names. The same is true for many slovenian cities (e.g. Marior the german name is Marburg]]. This is a political thing in Austria. There was a court order that cities in the south of carinthia must have bi-lingual names (I don't want to go into the details, but it has something to do with protection of minorities which is guranteed by constitution). But I think this might be confusing for people who don't have this political background. --(WT-en) kaykay 15 Nov 2005

I think this was just copied from WikiPedia:Klagenfurt, so I'm starting over with a fresh article template. --(WT-en) Evan 21:43, 21 Nov 2004 (EST)

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Talk:Knock (Ireland)

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Rename?
I noticed on Special:Wantedpages that there are 6 links to Knock, however this page is titled Knock (Ireland) so those links were all showing red. I know there are a few very small villages dotted around Ireland of the same name and one in England, but I don't think any warrant a Wikivoyage article, so would it not make sense ro rename this article as simply Knock? (WT-en) Tarr3n 05:04, 30 November 2009 (EST)

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Talk:Knossos

Moved text to Heraklion
I have moved the text to Heraklion, because attractions should normally be listed under the nearest town. See Project:What is an article? (WT-en) DanielC 08:32, 28 February 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Knott's Berry Farm

Is this an article?
Please see Project:What is an article?. Attractions usually do not get their own article, except in rare cases like Disneyland or Angkor Archaeological Park where the attraction is a destination unto itself. It's kind of a grey area, but Knott's and (for example) Universal Studios really don't meet that criteria - they are big attractions, but you don't sleep there or take a trip to spend multiple days there. I'd propose redirecting this article to Buena Park. -- (WT-en) Ryan 05:51, 19 July 2006 (EDT)

-- I am just got back from LA and tried to use the LA guide while I was there. On the topic of is this an article this is my ideas.... yes it is an article because although Knott's berry farm is in city of Buena Park and the county of Orange county, Who really knows that? When I think of LA I think of Hollywood and Amusement parks, but when I look at the LA guide it only gives me Hollywood. So by beging able to search for the Park itself and getting an article with recommendations for places to eat and stay is REALLY helpful to me.... Anyway that is my two-cents. I am going to continue to edit this article to make is full of some really good information. (WT-en) Trew 16:44, 23 September 2008 (EDT)Trew

I've added a merge template. (WT-en) Jonathan 784 21:14, 4 April 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Knowledge Corridor

Is this needed?
Wikivoyage has a pretty well-defined region structure for New England, and per Project:Geographical hierarchy we generally try to avoid overlapping regions except in cases where they are already well-known and useful for travelers, such as Lake Tahoe (which spans both California and Nevada). I'm not familiar with the "Knowledge Corridor" and so can't comment on whether it's a similar example, but as someone who has traveled fairly extensively in the US, the fact that I haven't heard of this region would seem to be an argument against making an exception for it.

Perhaps the author could explain the goal of this article? Alternately, I'd suggest that this article might be better handled as a redirect to the appropriate existing Wikivoyage region, with the content merged as appropriate. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:21, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

 * Agreed. I blanked all the listings because they don't belong in a region article, but I don't think we need a interstate region article that basically consists of two cities. I vfd'd this. 01:43, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

Absolutely oppose deletion; please do some research before proposing such things

 * I oppose the deletion. I put a lot of work into the article. I think it's preposterous that someone's ignorance of the region would be a "cause for deletion." A cursory google search will tell you the story behind the interstate partnership between the two cities and the surrounding area. I'm not aware of any other formalized interstate partnerships like this. Is it the uniqueness that objected to? Regardless, it's certainly an entity and most certainly should not be deleted. Search the web for a greater frame of reference on The Knowledge Corridor -- or even Wikipedia.

From that cursory Google search:
 * http://www.hartfordspringfield.com/
 * http://www.hartfordspringfieldnews.com/
 * http://www.valleyadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=9825
 * http://www.westernmassedc.com/Data__Demographics/knowledgecorridor/
 * http://www.masslive.com/business-news/index.ssf/2010/09/hartford-springfield_partnership_celebra.html -- Knowledge Corridor partnership celebrates 10 years.

With that, I'm going to delete the request for deletion.

 * You can't delete the request for deletion. Please state your opinion at Votes for deletion. The issue is not whether the Knowledge Corridor is a recognized region, but rather the fact that it cannot possibly jive with our established Geographical hierarchy. (WT-en) texugo 02:42, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

 * well then perhaps the geographical hierarchy needs some re-structuring--right? Furthermore, if you can arbitrarily put up a request for deletion, then why can't I just as arbitrarily remove it? If you're arguing for a hierarchy that won't accomodate the designation "Knowledge Corridor," a legitimate designation as noted above, then I suggest that we find a way to accomodate the designation rather than delete the entire article. The latter seems ridiculous in light of the facts.

 * Four points:

 * If you look at the nomination on the Project:Votes for deletion, I think (WT-en) texugo is actually proposing that it be merged or redirected rather than deleted. The VFD page is generally used for such discussions.
 * The concerns that have been raised aren't that it's not a valid region, but that it doesn't fit into the existing Project:Geographical hierarchy for New England. See specifically Project:Geographical hierarchy, which spells out why we try very hard to avoid overlapping regions.
 * Please don't try to end a VFD by fiat - while it can seem cumbersome, the Project:Votes for deletion page has a well-established procedure for coming to some consensus about what to do with nominated articles.
 * If you'd like to propose changes to the hierarchy please do so, but as noted on the Project:Geographical hierarchy we really do try to encourage people to discuss such changes before making them to avoid confusion.

 * -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 02:50, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
 * Fair enough. I am new to Wikivoyage, and created this page after I searched for "Knowledge Corridor" (I'm currently staying with family in the region) and was surprised to find that it didn't exist on here. I don't think that a redirect to New England would do, because New England is vast. Perhaps if it was drawn on a map of New England and appropriately described then it could be redicted, or perhaps if it were redirected to "Connecticut River Valley" (which currently describes only northern and central Connecticut,) that would work; however, that article would have to be expanded to accomodate the entire Connecticut River Valley, which (unfortunately for all the classification hierarchies here) stretches from from the Canadian border south to the Long Island Sound. Perhaps needless to say, it encompasses several distinct regions. The Knowledge Corridor itself is distinct within the Connecticut River Valley. From what I understand, it does not extend past Middletown in the south, nor Northampton-Amherst in the north. It is a region about fifty miles in length and twenty miles wide within the CT River Valley, which includes parts (but not all) of the Pioneer Valley, (which itself includes the Five College Area, from which I'm currently writing to you,) and part (but not all) of Connecticut's section of the Connecticut River Valley. How to you ferret out all of these overlapping regions--it's a great question. That said, I don't think that deleting the region-a dynamic and revitalizing one at that--or consigning it to a obscure one-line reference on the New England page is appropriate.

 * In my opinion, if you want to redirect "Knowledge Corridor," then at least it ought to be mentioned on the pages of Hartford, Springfield, their respective states, and their respective regions (e.g. New England, CT River Valley, Pioneer Valley, Five College Area.) These are the areas involved.

 * What about turning this page into a disambiguation page (example: West Coast) that essentially says "The Knowledge Corridor is a region of New England that encompasses the following"? In that way we wouldn't end up with a multi-state region as part of the hierarchy, but there would be an article for people such as yourself who search for one? -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:20, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
 * Incidentally, this sort of situation is exactly why I proposed a extended disambiguation or "meta-region" template a while back, but it seems that that idea was shot down. (WT-en) texugo 12:39, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

 * Possibly this article could be worked into Pioneer Valley, however I think this corridor extends beyond P.V. in both directions (see following section). In general the consensus regional structure can be [Procrustean for some articles that should be written and posted without necessarily conforming.  I think it should be left to authors to decide whether a disambiguation format is suitable. [[User:(WT-en) LADave|(WT-en) LADave]] 17:13, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

Synonymous with "College Highway"?
This is a series of state highways all numbered Route 10, however extending further south to New Haven, Connecticut (Yale University) and north to Hanover, New Hampshire (Dartmouth College) in New Hampshire. The concept is somewhat dated, reflecting the situation decades ago when men from the Ivy League and women from Seven Sister colleges tended to date each other to the exclusion of others. Nevertheless Yale and Dartmouth remain notable parts of the education/knowledge industry and should be included. (WT-en) LADave 16:45, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

VFD Discussion
Overlapping interstate region article for the Hartford CT-Springfield, MA urban area, created mostly by copying things from those two articles and slapping them together. I think a redirect to New England along with a short note there would suffice.
 * Redirect - (WT-en) texugo 01:49, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
 * Keep (for the moment). The anonymous user who created this region did so in good faith, and will (hopefully) either make the case for integrating it into the existing hierarchy or redirecting it.  However, if that clarification isn't forthcoming then I'd be in favor of a redirect to New England since multi-state regions break the geographic hierarchy quite badly without offering much benefit. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 02:53, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
 * The fact that it crosses state lines rather precludes integration, don't you think? (WT-en) texugo 02:56, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
 * Having let this bake for a while, I think the right solution is to turn the page into a disambiguation-like page that simply points to the citys/towns/regions that this extra-hierarchical region encompasses ("The Knowledge Corridor is a region of New England that includes the following towns and cities"). This would keep the article around to catch anyone searching for "Knowledge Corridor", but then point those users to the proper Wikivoyage articles for information about what is contained in that region without adding confusion to Wikivoyage's regional structure. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:49, 29 April 2011 (EDT)

 * Keep - The Knowledge Corridor is an official designation for the region surrounding the cities of Springfield, Mass, and Hartford, Conn. Just as there's a "Research Triangle" in North Carolina, there's the "Knowledge Corridor" along the Connecticut River Valley. It just so happens to straddle two states. From what I read on the discussion page, the reason why the article (which I worked hard on) would be deleted is because it doesn't jive with wikivoyage's current classification hierarchy. Rather than delete a page dedicated to a whole region, I suggest fixing the unaccomodating hierarchy... Otherwise wikivoyage will keep on deleting legitimate articles for the sake of preserving a hierarchy that might not be worth preserving (from the sounds of it.) Is the problem here that it's an interstate region? I don't get it. What of Kansas City, which straddles state lines? Or St. Louis? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 71.192.97.169 (talk • contribs)
 * The Research Triangle fits neatly into our hierarchy, Kansas City has two separate articles, and the parts of St. Louis in other states have separate articles as well. (WT-en) texugo 04:30, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
 * If an official regional designation and travel destination isn't fitting neatly in the hierarchies of WikiTravel, then in my opinion, the hierarchy is not working correctly to accomodate material it should be able to accomodate.
 * Here are references for those who do not know about the Knowledge Corridor, from a cursory Google search:
 * http://www.hartfordspringfield.com/
 * http://www.hartfordspringfieldnews.com/
 * http://www.valleyadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=9825
 * http://www.westernmassedc.com/Data__Demographics/knowledgecorridor/
 * http://www.masslive.com/business-news/index.ssf/2010/09/hartford-springfield_partnership_celebra.html -- Knowledge Corridor partnership celebrates 10 years.

 * Here's my reasoning to Keep. I wrote this on the Knowledge Corridor's discussion page and I'll reprint it here so that people who don't visit the former can read the rationale.

 * I am new to Wikivoyage, and created this page after I searched for "Knowledge Corridor" (I'm currently staying with family in the region) and was surprised to find that it didn't exist on here. I don't think that a redirect to New England would do, because New England is vast. Perhaps if the Knowledge Corridor was drawn on a map of New England, appropriately described then its attractions fleshed out, it could be redirected. Alternately, perhaps if Knowledge Corridor was redirected to "Connecticut River Valley" (which currently describes only northern and central Connecticut,) that would work; however, that article would have to be expanded to accomodate the entire Connecticut River Valley, which (unfortunately for the classification hierarchies here) stretches from from the Canadian border south to Long Island Sound. Perhaps needless to say, the CT River Valley encompasses several distinct regions in different states. Perhaps that article as currently constituted is incomplete, describing only Connecticut's 'Connecticut River Valley.' I don't know.

 * Regardless, the Knowledge Corridor itself is a distinct region within the Connecticut River Valley. From what I understand, it does not extend past Middletown in the south, nor Northampton-Amherst in the north. It is a region about fifty miles in length and twenty miles wide (at its widest) within the CT River Valley, which includes parts (but not all) of the Pioneer Valley, (which itself includes the Five College Area, from which I'm currently writing to you,) and parts (but not all) of Connecticut's section of the Connecticut River Valley. How to you ferret out all of these overlapping regions?--it's a great question. That said, I don't think that deleting the Knowledge Corridor region-a dynamic, revitalizing region, with many points of interest--or consigning it to an obscure one or two-line reference on the "New England" page is appropriate. That would barely scratch the surface.

 * In my opinion, if you want to redirect "Knowledge Corridor," then at least it ought to be mentioned on the pages of Hartford, Springfield, their respective states, and their respective regions (e.g. New England, CT River Valley, Pioneer Valley, Five College Area, etc.) My ultimate point is that 1.9 million people live in a relatively small geographical swath beside the Connecticut River. If the region views itself as a region, why shouldn't Wikivoyage? Ideally, I'd be able to come here and receive travel tips for the region. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 71.192.97.169 (talk • contribs)

 * For what it's worth, the Wikipedia article says that the "Knowledge Corridor" is "an economic, civic, and cultural partnership between the Connecticut River cities of Springfield, Massachusetts and Hartford, Connecticut; and the cities' surrounding metropolitan areas" that was created by regional boosters in 2000, a trademarked moniker designed to attract investment in the region. I find it hard to believe that any traveller when asked "What are you doing this weekend" would answer with "I'm going to the Knowledge Corridor". That said, we do of course want this area to be thoroughly covered in our guides but, like Kansas City and other places, I'm not sure it will be possible to group these under a regional article. Keeping in mind that we don't want to duplicate listings or information that is already found in the city guide articles, what information do you hope to put here? (WT-en) texugo 04:14, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

 * Keep as an overview with links to the towns for most of the information.
 * On one hand, we don't recommend Procrustes as an innkeeper, and our region hierarchy should not work that way either. This has come up before, for example Project:Votes_for_deletion/November_2009.
 * On the other hand, we do have a hierarchy so we should use it. Most information should go in the town articles.
 * On the third hand (great for holding the flashlight while you work), this is a new user who is actively writing. Don't discourage him or her. (WT-en) Pashley 07:36, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

 * Keep. When reality does not comply with policy, policy is easier to change. • • • (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 07:17, 28 April 2011 (EDT)
 * Wait a minute... are you suggesting that we abandon our Project:Geographical hierarchy policy? (WT-en) LtPowers 09:49, 28 April 2011 (EDT)
 * Not at all. Merely that where it doesn't work properly, it should be adjusted. The Knowledge Corridor seems to be a regional destination by all criteria that I have seen so far except that it crosses a state line, which makes breadcrumb navigation problematic. The hierarchy policy is useful in almost all cases, but there will be a few where it is not ideal. I can't think of concrete examples, but can easily imagine things like national parks and the like crossing state/province boundaries too. How else can they be accommodated? (two articles is a bit over the top). Breadcrumbing does present a slight difficulty. the simplest solution would be to breadcrumb the region to the same level as the regions it is located in, and exclude the conflicting regions from the path. Cities etc. within the region get breadcrumbed by the most useful region they are part of (usually the state or equivalent). Otherwise a new system allowing for parallel breadcrumb paths and branching would be necessary, and I have no idea if that is even possible. • • • (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 02:38, 29 April 2011 (EDT)
 * I am still completely, absolutely 100% unconvinced that this is anything but a recently-created moniker useful only for local municipalities trying to attract investment. (WT-en) texugo 03:09, 29 April 2011 (EDT)
 * I agree; it's primarily an economic designation, not a tourism one. No one says "Oh, I'm vacationing in the Knowledge Corridor this summer!"  They're trying to make it a cultural region, and certainly there are similarities, but I don't think it's strong enough to override the state borders.
 * Peter, we do currently have a number of extra-hierarchical regions, like Navajo Nation, as well as regions that are actually (sort of) in the hierarchy but overlap more than one state, like Metro New York. I think Metro New York is awkward and causes all sorts of navigation problems, but Peter F. was a strong proponent of doing it that way (as was done with Chicagoland.  Anyway, that's just an example of the confusion caused when we try to insert these sorts of regions into our hierarchy.  That's not to say it's never possible, but I think such things work best as a redirect or as a brief stub that just covers the basics.  (WT-en) LtPowers 11:40, 29 April 2011 (EDT)
 * There is no prohibition of economic designations for destinations in the listing of non-goals, nor anything else that I know of to specify that articles are aimed exclusively at the non-business traveller. If that is to be the case, it should be spelled out in the policies, preferably somewhere easy to find. • • • (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 01:08, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
 * Given that we have to pick one or the other, it makes no sense to favor an invented, purely economic region that crosses state lines over more natural travel regions that have come together more organically. (WT-en) LtPowers 12:02, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
 * If that is the choice, I would agree with you, But is it? • • • (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 13:46, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
 * No, it quite obviously isn't. We do not "have to pick one or the other". This article can act as a supplement to existing articles. It should not grow large; it should be just an overview and most of the information should be in the city articles. However, it does not break the hierarchy, merely adds to it. (WT-en) Pashley 11:55, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
 * This kind of thinking is causing us to slip further and further down the slope away from our directive to resist overlap. We do have to "pick one or the other" as to whether we continue to put stock in our policy of discouraging overlap, or we discard it in favor of letting this kind of thing proliferate. Exceptions made thus far such as Navajo Nation are special cases which were discussed at length before being allowed, but this is no such special case, just a chamber of commerce's recent notion of how best to attract business, and if we allow this, there are all kinds of other extra-hierarchical regions waiting to follow.(WT-en) texugo 12:49, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
 * (WT-en) texugo's argument matches current site policy - except in rare cases the benefits of having a clear regional structure outweigh the benefits of having an article for every named region - see Project:Geographical hierarchy which states "If we have overlapping guides, readers don't know where to go to get travel information, and contributors don't know where to put travel information". That said, I think that the correct solution is to convert this article (and other extra-hierarchical region articles) into a disambiguation-like page containing a list of cities/regions that have related information, which allows us to keep an article for the region in case someone searches for the term in the future. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:05, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
 * I agree, and I've been thinking maybe we need to formalize a policy for pages that are valid tourism destinations (like Navajo Nation, Erie Canal, bodies of water, mountain ranges, and the like) but don't fit into our geographic hierarchy. We could just lump them under travel topics or disambiguation pages, but as evidenced by continuing discussion, that seems inadequate to many of us.  (WT-en) LtPowers 13:30, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
 * This is why I proposed standardizing a meta-region template as a sort of "expanded disambiguation" category of articles. Discussion on that kind of fizzled, but I still think it's a good idea, because I really think we need a predictable way to handle these situations. Certainly wouldn't mind opening that discussion back up... (WT-en) texugo 21:42, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
 * I rather liked that proposal, though re-reading the discussion now, I see you never answered the questions I had. =)  (WT-en) LtPowers 09:02, 26 May 2011 (EDT)
 * OK. I have now answered that here and hope to re-open some discussion there. (WT-en) texugo 11:13, 26 May 2011 (EDT)

Knowledge Corridor has now been rewritten per this discussion. I think that means we can close this as keep. Does anyone object? (WT-en) Pashley 00:39, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Honestly, I'm still not convinced it's a useful travel region, but I suppose there's little harm in keeping it. (WT-en) LtPowers 09:49, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

 * Leaning delete. Sorry to hold this up further, but... If it's not a useful travel region, then why keep it? The whole concept has to do with marketing and branding for non-travel related purposes, so to me it doesn't seem a good fit for our website. (Furthermore, it's not the only section of the U.S. to call itself a knowledge corridor either, which raises other problems.) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:34, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

Result: Kept. This has been open for months, and there is enough sentiment for to "keep" that a deletion does not seem the appropriate resolution. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:41, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Knoxville

Chop House/ Connor's
Perfectly nice restaurants, but posts were obviously made by a representative of the company. (He or she also posted these restaurants to several other cities in the region.) I moved the external link to the end of the restaurants' names and deleted "Locally owned and operated by Connor concepts, Inc." (WT-en) Knoxvillegirl 21:53, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

Stay/Knoxville Hostel
When I went through Knoxville a few months ago, the phone was disconnected at the Knoxville hostel. I wasn't able to make it out to see if the hostel was still functioning, but it seemed to be closed. 68.193.83.188 19:55, 21 June 2010 (EDT)

Great Smoky Mountains
As the Great Smoky Mountains have their own article and are 30 miles from Knoxville, I'm thinking we should keep them just to the Get Out section and not have them listed under Do. (WT-en) LtPowers 21:39, 17 August 2010 (EDT)

Mapshape doesn't work
For some reason the mapshape won't show up... Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:11, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The OSM relation was missing from Wikidata. I've added it, but it's still not showing up. From what I can tell, it it not enough to link the city boundaries to Wikidata, but each individual line must be linked, as well.
 * The Knoxville city boundaries are made up of >150 such lines. Does anyone know a way to bulk-add the Wikidata ID to all of them? ARR8 (User talk:ARR8 | Special:Contributions/ARR8) 22:44, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Knysna

Rating
I noticed this article does't have a rating (stub, outline etc), I reckon this is at about outline level at the moment. BUT I am a newbie, and if it's not at outline level just change it, and tell me why!

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Talk:Kobe

Merge
An anon created an article for a section of Kobe: Kobe Cyuoku. Whatever useful information is there should be merged here, and that article should then be redirected. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:47, 20 December 2009 (EST)

Featured article?
What does this article need to be nominated at Dotm? Coordinates for many venues, seemingly. Anything else? /Yvwv (talk) 00:13, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Upon a cursory look, the organization is poor. Many of the "Do" listings should be "See" listings. It would be better if the districts were headings instead of things like "Museums". For example, there are a variety of houses that make up the Ijinkan with different entrance fees. Just listing "Ijinkan" is lazy and much less helpful than actually listing what buildings are there that you can enter. I think a lot of other listings are likely missing, too. Ikuta Shrine is missing and it's a very well-known attraction, Mount Rokko and the sites located there should be listed and expanded upon, etc. I think this article needs quite a bit of work. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 13:14, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * A very quick glance shows that many or most of the listings are out if date or undated. Ground Zero (talk) 16:30, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Kobe Cyuoku

Merge
This is just a ward of Kobe, which is undistricted, and does not need districting at this time. Any useful content here should be merged to there. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:46, 20 December 2009 (EST)

Kobe is big city. So, I think the article shoud separete the details.

 * If you believe Kobe should be districted, please start a discussion to that effect at Talk:Kobe. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:16, 25 December 2009 (EST)

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Talk:Košice

I changed the use of Košice in this article to Kosice, since it's the preferred English form (see also the Getty thesaurus). --(WT-en) Evan 17:41, 30 Nov 2004 (EST)

Airlines
As SkyEurope airlines dont exist anymore, could someone edit that section?

 * Our philosophy is, if you see something that needs to be fixed, plunge forward and do it yourself! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:30, 24 September 2009 (EDT)

Alternative banner for this article?
I have previously created an alternative banner for this article (which was initially created for the parallel article at the Hebrew Wikivoyage, but I decided to suggest we'll use it here at the English Wikivoyage article as well). Which banner do you prefer that we'll use on the top of this article? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 13:16, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I prefer the new banner. Ground Zero (talk) 13:27, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Prefer the current banner. The unique architectural facade is more interesting than the town overview. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 13:44, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * New banner. I like the composition. --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 02:43, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The current banner, although not as sharp or colorful, is more unusual, and I would therefore favor keeping it. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:01, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Current banner The new banner is not very distinctive and could be any large Slovak town. Other new alternatives would be welcome. AlasdairW (talk) 21:48, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Ko Chang

ATM's and 7-eleven's
There are more ATM's and 7-eleven's on the island. If anyone knows where please tell me on my Talkpage and I will update the picture.

Disambig?
Arent there two "ko chang"s? The other one's off the northern part of the West coast... am I remembering right? (WT-en) Majnoona 09:35, 5 March 2006 (EST)

 * There's probably more ("Ko Chang" is Elephant Island and Thailand has plenty of both), but I'd say the Gulf of Thailand one described here is far better known. The other can go in Ko Chang (Andaman) if ever needed. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:00, 5 March 2006 (EST)

 * South (Thailand) and Ranong (province) have it pencilled in as Ko Chang (Ranong)

Thailands second biggest island
I was under the impression that Ko Chang was Thailand's second biggest island and not the third as quoted

 * I believe your impression is correct. Fixed. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:04, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

According to Wikipedia, Ko Chang total area is 217 km2 (83.8 sq mi); while Koh Samui's 228.7 km2 (88.3 sq mi).

Getting from From Koh Chang to Siem Reap
We wrote this itinerary. Feel free to use it for the wikivoyage articles.

6:45 Songtheaw from white sands beach to Koh chang ferry pier. 60B We waited from 6:15 to get one, but there wasn't one until ca. 6:45 which was already quite packed.

6:54 Ferry to Laem Ngop 100B Songtheaw droped us off where sb trying to sell us bus tickets to bangkok (which isn't that bad idea, but we are going to Cambodia). Walk 100 meters back to the main entrance of the ferry pier to the car ticket counter (even when you arrive by feet you just buy a ticket on the car ticket counter)

7:45 Songtheaw to Bus Stop in Baan Saen Tung. 50B No bargainig was needed to this cheap price for the approx. 25km to Baan Saen Tung. It should be noted that we were in the back of the mob leaving the pier area and in the early morning there were more songtheaws than people looking for a ride. We told the driver that we wanted to go to Chantaburi as we already planned our journy to Siem Reap. He gave us the helpful hint that starting in Baan Saen Tung is far easier.

8:30 Public Bus 2nd class to Sakaew 169B Nobody speaks English. But by pointing on our map we got the correct tickets. The bus arrived 10 minutes late, bud had aircon.

9:30 Pit stop in Chantaburi for people hop on or off. Restrooms at Chantaburi bus station available.

10:00 Bus continues the journy to Sakaew. During the drive Transformers 2 movie was played with a horrible loudness and dubbed in Thai.

13:00 Arrive at sakeaw bus station and directly switch to the bus to aranyaprathet. 35B

14:10 Arrive at aranyaprathet. Take a tuk tuk. 50B

14:25 Arrive at "checkpoint". Although you have an evisa you are advised to fill out the arrival/departure cards and get it stamped (we didn't ask for the price).

Thai emigration Health control Cambodia immigration (you get and can fill out the dep/arrival cards here too, officially!

15:00 shared ride with locals 20 usd + 200B provision

16:00 change car in sisophon. Pay 1st driver 10 USD 17:30 arrive in siem reap at a petrol station. Pay 2nd driver 10 USD. Picked up by another guy offering taxi, tour guide services and suggesting a hotel. 18:00 arrive at suggested hotel. 10 USD per night for a good fan room.

TAT Listings
I removed the listings from TAT and placed them at Talk:Ko Chang/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 21:42, 6 February 2010 (EST)

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We have got new page banners for Ko Chang from the Wiki Loves Earth competition, and discuss a potential replacement. New banners are superior in quality, although they do not show the island itself. You can join our discussion or add your opinion here. --Alexander (talk) 15:58, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

 * I vote for 55. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:58, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Ko Chang (Southern Thailand)

Name of Ko Chang
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I've been trying to find out what the article name of Ko Chang (Ranong) should be. There are two Ko Chang in Thailand and both are islands at the same level of the geographical hierarchy. Ko Chang is much more famous than Ko Chang (Ranong), so it gets the name. But then what name should the other island have? I checked the naming conventions for it, and it states the following: "If two places are on the same level of the geographical hierarchy (e.g. both are cities), put the country of each in parentheses after their names." Well, this doesn't really make sense as both are in Thailand. So what now? I could use the highest level of geographical hierarchy available where both are different, which would make the article name Ko Chang (Southern Thailand). But Southern Thailand is an "invention" of Wikivoyage, there is no administative subdivision in Thailand called that. Another option could be to use the lowest level of geographical hierarchy, which would make the article Ko Chang (Northern Andaman Coast), but again, this is not an existing subdivision. The last option would be to use the current name or Ko Chang (Ranong Province), but this is also odd as we don't have an article about the province of Ranong on Wikivoyage. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 02:56, 17 September 2011 (EDT)

 * I would go with our hierarchy and rename it Ko Chang (Southern Thailand).--(WT-en) burmesedays 03:47, 17 September 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Ko Chang/Listings

See
Ko Chang Naval Battle Site (บริเวณยุทธนาวีเกาะช้าง) located in the southern part of Ko Chang. The Trat waters near Ao Salak Phet and Ao Salak Khok also added another page in the Thai history of fighting for the country’s sovereignty. On 17 January 1941, the Royal Thai Navy managed to evict the invaders although they lost a certain number of squadrons and soldiers. 17 January has become a memorial day for the fighting, of which a service is held annually at Ko Chang Naval Battle Memorial in Amphoe Laem Ngop.

Ko Ngam was the first point of confrontation in the Franco–Siamese War in which the French army sent aircraft on a reconnaissance and bombing of the island, whereas Ko Wai is the point where French patrol aircraft crashed after being fired by HTMS Songkhla and HTMS Chon Buri.

A squadron of 7 French warships led by the Lamotte Piquet Cruiser, 2 sloops and 4 gunboats invaded in 3 divisions. The Lamotte Piquet alone made Division 1 blocking the south of Ko Wai and Ko Bai Tang. Division 2 comprising 1 sloop and 1 gunboat blocked the channel between Ko Khlum and Ko Wai whereas Division 3 comprising 1 sloop and 3 gunboats blocked the channel between Ko Khlum and Laem Bang Bao.

Ko Mai Si is a small private island located not far from Ko Kut where there is beautiful nature, sandy beaches and clear water –home to diversified marine life and ideal for diving. Various plant species grow wild on the island, which used to be a confrontation site between the Lamotte Piquet and HTMS Thon Buri that was in commission at Ko Lim. In assisting HTMS Songkhla and HTMS Chon Buri which were heavily fired and eventually sank near Ao Salak Phet and Ao Salak Khok, the HTMS Thon Buri was also hardly attacked, ran aground and sank near Laem Ngop. Semi-homestay accommodation is available for a group visit of 15–30 persons. A 3-day/2-night package sells at Bt 4,500-5,000, 2-day/1-night at Bt 4,000-4,500. For more details, please contact Tel. 0 2750 6873, 0 9980 5757. Ao Khlong Son (อ่าวคลองสน) a bay in the northernmost west of the island where Ban Khlong Son Community is located, with a beautiful coral reef. Accommodation is available. Klongson Beach is the first beach on the right after you disembark at the ferry pier. Namtok Khlong Nonsi (น้ำตกคลองนนท��ี) a small waterfall to the northeast of the island accessible by a 3-km. pathway from Ban Dan Mai or about 4 km. from the national park’s headquarters. Namtok Than Mayom (น้ำตกธารมะยม) a medium 4-tiered waterfall located some 500 metres through a garden behind the national park’s headquarters, with the 3rd tier being the most beautiful. King Rama V, King Rama VII and Queen Rambhai Barni used to visit this waterfall as evident from the royal initials on the rock. Namtok Khlong Phlu (น้ำตกคลองพลู) a large and most breathtaking waterfall on Ko Chang with water cascading down 3 tiers of the cliff to a basin, with an entrance located 3 km. from Ao Khlong Phrao plus another 20-minute walk.

Long Beach/ Hat Sai Yao (หาดทรายยาว) located near Ao Salak Phet to the south of the island with a long stretch of sandy beach where swimming is available. Trekking to the naval battle site, as well as a trip to admire nearby islands such as Ko Lao Ya, Ao Salak Phet, Ko Wai, etc. is provided. The viewpoint in the area is terrific and so are the snorkeling opportunities. Accommodation is available. Generator pollutes the environment as well as humongous speakers from nearby island.

Monkey Training Centre (โรงเรียนฝึกลิง) located at Mu 4 Hat Sai Khao, Tambon Ko Chang, the centre provides training as well as shows of monkey’s abilities, especially in collecting coconuts. There are 3 shows daily at 10.00 a.m., 02.00 p.m. and 04.00 p.m. Admission is Bt 200. For more details, please call Tel. 0 1982 8661, 0 6531 3398. Ban Salak Phet (บ้านสลักเพชร) the largest and oldest community on Ko Chang located in the southern part. The villagers’ main occupation is coastal fishery in an advantageous area sheltered from winds and storms by islands and mountains. There is an old temple in front of the village known as Wat Salak Phet built in the reign of King Rama V on his royal visit to the island. Ao Salak Phet is the largest bay on the island. Namtok Khiri Phet (น้ำตกคีรีเพชร) a single-storeyed waterfall located 3 km. from Ban Salak Phet Community through a rubber plantation. Namtok Khlong Nueng (น้ำตกคลองหนึ่ง) a small waterfall near Namtok Khiri Phet – Ban Rong Than, located some 2 km. deeper inside the island from the Salak Phet Community with another 480-metre walk. The waterfall cascades down from a narrow gorge for 120 metres. Swimming is available.

Bangbao Beach is a small fishing village where the villagers still live in houses built on stilts, all connected by wooden bridges. The area is developing quite quickly in regards to tourism. The road getting there is steep and winding.

Bang Bao Fishery Village (หมู่บ้านประมงบางเบ้า) a village of houses on stilts built into the sea with bridges connecting them together. Most of the villagers are descendants of the Salak Phet villagers, living a simple way of life and earning their living from coastal fishery, with abundant soft cuttlefish and corals. There is a pier, fish dock, and manufacturing of shrimp paste, fish sauce, dried shrimp and salted fish. The area is an ideal berthing area for fishing boats, with mountains and islands providing a good shelter from wind and storms in the monsoon season. Ban Rong Than (บ้านโรงถ่าน) a small community located near Salak Phet in the southern part of the island. It is a scenic viewpoint where the mist-covered peak of Khao Salak Phet in the north and Ko Maphrao Nai and mountains near Laem Yai in the east are visible. A panoramic view of the whole area of Ao Salak Phet is also available from Samnak Song Atulaphon Banphot on the hill. Ao Bai Lan (อ่าวใบลาน) located next to Hat Kai Bae and accessible by a pathway across the mountain which takes about 1 hour, with a scenic view of mountains along the way. Ao Bai Lan has a long stretch of serene beach ideal for swimming and relaxing. Hat Kai Bae (หาดไก่แบ้) Kai Bae was one of the original areas where locals first opened their homes to travellers. I’ve met people who stayed on this beach with local families in the mid-80s at a time when there were no restaurants, bungalow resorts, roads or even electricity – other than old generators. The locals have moved on from renting out their spare room and many now own their own resorts. In fact, one extended family owns virtually all the land in the southern half of the beach and inland. They wisely refused to sell to outsiders and are now reaping the rewards.

The story of the original village of Kai Bae goes that although a few Thai fishermen lived around the island, most of the current population of the island are descended from immigrants who came to Koh Chang by boat from southern China. They stopped off, looked around, saw plenty of edible wildlife and thought that the island would suit them nicely. A few generations later and the patriarch of the family that owned most of the land in the Kai Bae area decided to split his land between his children. The favoured kids, the males, got the valuable, inland farmland where they could grow rubber, and fruit. The four unfortunate kids, all female, who must have upset Dad at some point in their lives, got the virtually useless, unfertile land by the sea. How could you ever make money out of a few coconut palms and a beach. Hat Khlong Phrao- Laem Chaiyachet (หาดคลองพร้าว-แหลมไชยเชษฐ์) a long stretch of sloping beach connecting with Hat Kai Bae where swimming is possible. There are several bungalows for rent with standard rooms and necessary facilities. The northernmost end of Ao Khlong Phrao connects with Laem Chaiyachet with a scenic rocky cape but swimming is not possible.

Laem Chaichet nestling between White Sand and Klong Prao beaches is a great place to see the sunset and admire Klong Prao’s natural beauty. Activities to do here include: snorkeling, kayaking and fishing. Coconut Beach Resort and Chaichet Bungalow are located on this site. Ko Chang Noi, north of the Ko Changh an abundance of coral.

Tri Petch Waterfall, located 3km from Salak Petch Community, has just the one storey.

White Sand Beach is one the island’s longest beaches that attracts a lot of visitors. At the back or the beach are orchards of coconut trees and forests. Located north of the beach is the White Sand Beach Resort which has more than 100 bungalows, some of them very near the beach. The stretch of peaceful beach in front of this resort is 680-metre long.

Ao Sapraros is the location of the pier to and from Ko Chang.

Lonely Beach is not so lonely anymore. Humongous speakers pollute from early afternoon till very late. A nice exception is "The Tree House".

Donkao Pier is where there are ferries to Center Point and Lae Ngob Pier. There is no accommodation.

Salakkok is a small fishing village that is popular for its cheap and fresh seafood.

Lifestyle
Baan Bang Bao or Bang Bao Fishery Village is unique in that every dwelling was built in the sea. There are small bridges connecting each one. Some of the abodes have been transformed into guesthouses and seafood restaurants.

Baan Khlong Son or Khlong Son Village has rubber plantations, orchards and traditional fishery. For tourists there are fishing tours, squid fishing or snorkling to view schools of fishes on Koh Mapring and Koh Chang Noi nearby.

Baan Dan Kao or Dan Kao Village has indigenous folk of Koh Chang Noi who rear the fish in floating baskets especially “Yamsawat Fish” or Blue Spotted Sea Bass which are popular among the consumers who prefer to eat live fish.

Baan Dan Mai(Dan Mai Village) and Baan Khlong Non Si (Khlong Non Si Village) have orchards, coconut plantations and traditional fishery. The lychee trees grown here are the traditional breed called “Silaman 200 years”. This breed of lychee tree has the large size and it is believed to be found on Koh Chang Noi only.

Baan Salak Petch or Salak Petch villagers mainly work about coastal fishery. Most houses were built in the sea like those in Bang Bao Village but it is a bigger community. Every house is connected with the wood bridge.

Baan Rong Than or Rong Than Village is an area which used to be the sites, owned by most villagers, for charcoal making from mangrove wood.

Baan Jek Bae or Jek Bae villagers work about traditional fishery, rubber plantation and coconut plantation.

Suggested Itinerary

 * Day 1 Leave Bangkok in the early morning and arrive on Ko Chang at mid-day. Check into your bungalow on any resort Beach and enjoy the rest of the afternoon sunbathing and swimming. In the evening, have a romantic seafood dinner on the beach.
 * Day 2 Take a boat out to the islands and go snorkeling (or diving).
 * Day 3 Go hiking in the jungles and see a couple of waterfalls.
 * Day 4 Visit the village of Ban Bang Bao to see the pretty harbor and have seafood lunch. Then go to Salakkok village and hire a canoe to row through the mangroves.
 * Day 5 After breakfast, return to Bangkok.

Do
Walk with a Ranger from the Than Mayom Waterfall to the Khlong-Plu Waterfall. The tour takes 8-10 hours and costs 500 baht per person.

Trek in the jungle with Tan who has been taking guided treks for over 10 years and speaks very good English

Learn Thai cooking

Discover or Practice Yoga, Reiki or Chakras balancing

Enjoy “rope and harness” tree climbing and  share the fun activities and amazing views from the top of the trees

 * i-site Koh Chang Internet Cafe for all Koh Chang Tours travel, excursions and activities

Agrotourism Attractions

Amphoe Ko Chang

 * Bunsi Salakphet (บุญศรี สลักเพชร) Tambon Ko Chang Tai, Tel. 0 3955 3039 (mangosteen, durian, rambutan, Long Kong orchard).

Canoeing 1 or 2 seater canoes can be hired at many places on the island. Canoeing through the mangrove forests is most popular.

 * Hin Rap South is a 18 meter rock pinnacle which can be dived by anyone of every level. It is covered with staghorn corals, barrel sponges and delicate corals. Experienced divers can also venture out 200 meters to admire a group of rocks known as blue mountains which often glow from the sun.

 * Hin Run Tek, with an average depth of 12 meters, is a huge rock formation site with a diversity of colorful marine life such parrotfish, wrasse and angelfish.

 * Flyovers Microlight aircraft give flyover tours.

Hiking on Ko Chang is popular due to the natural pristine surroundings including waterfalls, especially the routes Klong Son to Kai Bae and Kai Bae to Bang Bao.

Package tours for snorkeling, diving, elephant riding etc. are widely available. One of many Travel Agencies on the island that can arrange tours is located in Chai Chet: Coco Dee Bo Tours - Tel: 08-6328-4684, 08-7711-3390

Snorkeling tours day cruise to southern islands. Relaxing and snorkeling.

Khlong Plu waterfalls is medium size waterfall within a half a mile walk from parking area. Swimming possibility. Entrance fee to park 400 baht.

 * See Fireflies Boat trips on the lagoon near Khlong Prao beach to see fireflies can be organised through a travel agent/hotel. Year round. 150-200 baht for 30 minute trip.

 * All Terrain Vehicle track Tear up the mountainside on ATVs

Trekking

 * Jungle Way 14 Moo 3, Klong Son Village, Koh Chang, Trat, Tel: 08 9223 4795, 08 9247 3161,

Elephant Trekking is possible at the Ban Kwan Chang Elephant Camp at Klong Son, it is supported by the Asian Elephant Foundation to provide a natural environment for elephants and their mahouts. The camp offers half day packages which include elephant bathing, feeding, performance and a one hour elephant trek into the forest. The cost is 900 Baht all inclusive. In the afternoon there is a shorter program costing 450baht.

Sailing

 * Gulf Charters Ocean Marina, 167/5 Sukhumvit Highway (Km157),
 * Sattahip, Chonburi, Tel: 0 3823 7752 Fax: 0 3823 7751 Mobile: 08 1813 8023

Spa

Ko Chang has plenty of spas comprising of various forms of massage, aromatherapy, herbal scrub, and reflexology. They can be found at Koh Chang Grand Orchid Resort & Spa, Aiyapura Resort & Spa, Aana Resort and Spa and at the V.J. Hotel & Health Spa.

 * Smai Burapa Massage Kai Bae 30/52 Moo 4 Kai Bae Beach, Tambon Ko Chang, Tel.: 089 588 8163.
 * Boutique Resort and Health Spa 17/5 Moo 4, Ban Klong Phrao, Tambon Ko Chang, Tel. 0 3955 1050, 08 9938 6403.
 * Bodiworkspa 39/4 Moo 4 Tambon Ko Chang, Ko Chang District, Trat , Tel. 0-3955-1400 / E-mail: bodiworkspa.pd@gmail.com [http//:www.bodiworkspa.com].
 * Chang Park Resort and Spa 40/6 Moo 4, Tambon Ko Chang Tai, Tel. 08 1853 2572, 08 1940 8678, 08 9831 5609, 08 9832 2065, Bangkok, Tel. 0 2692 0121, ]
 * Koh Chang Resort and Spa 39 Moo 4, Tambon Ko Chang, Tel. 0 3953 8055, 0 3953 8059, 08 1948 8177 Bangkok, Tel. 0 2277 5256, 0 2277 6150, [].
 * Koh Chang Tropicana Resort and Spa 26/3 Moo 4, Tambon Ko Chang Tai, Tel. 0 3955 1184–5; Bangkok, Tel. 0 2642 4420, 0 2642 5497, []
 * Remark Cottage Resort and Spa 36 Moo 4, Tambon Ko Chang, Tel. 08 1926 7714; Bangkok, Tel. 0 2935 6018 – 9, 0 2935 6495–6
 * Sea View Resort and Spa Ko Chang 10/2 Moo 4, Tambon Ko Chang, Tel. 0 3952 9022, 08 1830 7529,
 * The Bodiwork 98/18-19 Moo 4 Tambon Ko Chang, Ko Chang District, Trat , Tel. 0-3955-7222, E-mail: bodywork.kb@gmail.com

Yoga/ Reiki / Meditation/ Chakras balancing

 * Baan Zen Klong Prao Beach, - In a beautiful traditional Thai style home set up right on the water, enjoy the advantage of a personal tailored training - - 3/5 days Yoga session Reiki 1 / Reiki 2 / Master Reiki Tel: 08 6530 9354

Reiki, Massage, Yoga & meditation
 * Jungle Way 14 Moo 3, Klong Son Village, Koh Chang, Trat, Tel: 08 9223 4795, 08 9247 3161, close to Ban Kwan Chang elephant camp

Events & Festivals
The Ko Chang Yutthanavi Day is organized in late January at the Ko Chang Yutthanavi Memorial on Laem Ngop. The event commemorates the Royal Thai Navy’s fight against the French on January 17, 1941. There is an exhibition by the Royal Thai Navy and merit-making and tribute rites are performed

SCUBA diving
The area may not have the best diving site in Thailand but it is still excellent. There are quite a lot of PADI courses around of various different skills. Depending on how far it is, a day trip to one of the dive sites ought to cost you in the vicinity of 2800-3000 baht. All trips include 2 dives, full equipment, transportation, food & drinks and a Divemaster. Snorkeling that costs around 900-1000 baht.

 * Diving S cool, Office : 18/8/1-2 Bang Bao Plaza, Koh Chang. Tel +66(0)852 79 76 27
 * BB Divers 16/2, Bang Bao pier, Koh Chang, and 13/17, Lonely Beach, Ko Chang, Tel: 0 39558040 - OFFICE Bang Bao, 08 6155 6212, 08 6129 2305,
 * Diving Dream Tel: 08 7128 7140
 * Eco-Divers, Klong Prao, (Tel: 03 955 7296 )
 * Koh Chang Divers Tel: 08 1811 1689
 * Ploy Scuba Divin, Bang Bao, Ko Chang District, Trat (Tel: 0-3955-8033-4, 08-1862-7570)

 * Ko Chang Marine National ParkHin Kuak Maa offers the diver a huge variety of solid and soft corals which are home to the likes of moray eels, blue spotted sting rays, sea turtles, starfish, stonefish and puffer fish.

 * Hin Luk Bath has turned into one of the most favored dive sites around with its boulder formations which appear from a sandy seabed 15 meters down The way they jut out allows a vast array of corals and barrel sponges. It is also possible to spot angel fish and barracuda

Learn
Besides diving, Thai cooking schools on Ko Chang are where wanna-be Thai cuisine chefs can learn to cook up all their favourite dishes such as tom yum kung, sweet green curry and chicken with cashew nuts. All of them are located around klong Prao area ; Blue Lagoon Cooking School ; Kati Culinary ; Koh Chang Thai Cooking school

Buy
Market stands along the main road. Pretty much the same pirate-products in every stand. Lots of salesmen on the beaches, especially White Sands Beach.

ATMs and 7-Eleven convenience stores can be found alongside the main western coastline road.

Local Product
The Ngop (native hat) is a cottage industry product made by villagers in the Nam Chieo community. It is located on the route to Laem Ngop district.

Shop
Amphoe Laem Ngop

 * Che Noi (เจ๊น้อย) 123/1 Mu 1 Tambon Laem Ngop, Amphoe Laem Ngop, Trat (Tel: 0 3959 7030, 0 3959 7130), (Seafood products)
 * Ko Chang Souvenir (เกาะช้างซูวิเนีย) 101/14 Tambon Laem Ngop, Amphoe Laem Ngop, Trat
 * Phonphimon (ร้านพรพิมล) 24/4 Tambon Laem Ngop, Amphoe Laem Ngop, Trat (Tel: 0 3959 7050, 0 3959 7111), (Seafood products)

Amphoe Mueang

(Food products and handicrafts)
 * Sunday (ซันเดย์) 141 Sukhumvit Road, Amphoe Mueang, Trat (Tel: 0 3953 0080, 0 3953 1325)

Amphoe Ko Chang

 * One Tanbon One Product (หนึ่งตำบล หนึ่งผลิตภัณฑ์) Tambon Ko Chang Tai (Tel: 0 3955 5035, 0 6158 2693) (Preserved Food, Coconut Shell Product)

Eat
East Coast
 * Baan Sapparot (บ้านสับปะรด) Ao Sapparos (Tel: 08 1340 9389, 08 1570 4590) (Seafood)
 * Dan Mai Seafood (ด่านใหม่ซีฟู้ด) 19/1 Mu 2, Amphoe Ko Chang, Trat (Tel: 0 3958 6098)
 * Salak Phet Seafood and Resort (สลักเพชรซีฟู้ด แอนด์ รีสอร์ท) 43 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Chang Tai, Amphoe Ko Chang, Trat (Tel: 0 3952 1751, 08 1650 8955, 08 1429 9938, 08 1444 9259)

White sand Beach
 * Rock Sand, North White SandBeach, Fresh Seafood BBQ, Western, Thai, Steak and Pizza's
 * Tantawan (ทานตะวัน) White Sand Beach (Thai Food)
 * Thor's Palace (ธอร์ส พาเลซ) 4 White Sand Beach, Tambon Ko Chang, King Amphoe Ko Chang, Trat (Tel: 08 1927 2502, open: 11.00 a.m.-midnight)
 * Villa Koh Chang (วิลล่าเกาะช้าง) White Sands Beach (Italian Food)

Klong Prao Beach "Bob" will prepare for you a Fresh sea food BBQ if you wish
 * Klong Prao Pizza "Pizza & Baguette" Nr.1 Pizza-Service on Koh Chang.Filling pizzas from 150 baht up.Delivery & Take Away Tel: 085-367-0214.
 * Baan Chang (บ้านช้าง) Klong Prao Beach (Thai Food)
 * Magic Pub (เมจิก ผับ) Klong Prao Beach (Thai Food)
 * Nid's Kitchen The best and only Reggae restaurant in Koh Chang

Located near Sima massage and tropicana Hotel entrance Tel : 08 8 19 03 04 08 Succulent Thai dishes. Tel: 08 98 95 72 29
 * Kati Culinary ; Family Thai recipes / Thai cooking school school & restaurant ( Ning )Great outdoor deck /
 * Ton Sai Restaurant " Chill out atmosphere / Excellent thai dishes / reasonable prices; Has moved from White sand to Klong Prao ; Nui is still the charming and efficient manager of this relaxing place/

Family ambiance.
 * Yummy Hut Run by Rak and her husband Excellent Thai food with a "je ne sais quoi ". different in the taste / Near Sima massage and Tropicana Hotel entrance / Probably the best Pappaya salad on the island : Located near Sima Massage, in front of Ton Sai restaurant

Kai Bae Beach
 * Kai Bae Marina Just past 7-/11 on North side of road. This restaurant offers traditional Thai Cuisine, plus a great selection of Western and European dishes. They also off a few select varieties of thin crust pizza. One of the best on the Island.

The front of the house offers a nice open air dining experience. While the back offer a nice bar atmosphere offering top run Movies nightly on there huge outdoor screen. The Kai Bae Marina motto is: “ You come as a stranger and walk away as a friend”. Make sure to say "Hello" to the Owner Roland & His Wife (who also bakes all of the restaurants breads on a daily basis) Hello when you stop in. (Thia, European & Western Food)

 * Comfortable Bar (คอมฟอร์ทเทเบิล บาร์) Kai Bae Baech (Thai Food)

Thai, Swedish , Mexican Food and vegetarian dishes ; An "easy going" place Tel : 08 16 63 32 86
 * Karma restaurant Near 7/11 Kae Bae

Located at the exit of Kai Bae, going south at the entrance of KB resort
 * KB Garden (เคบี การ์เด้นท์) Kai Bae Beach (Thai Food)
 * Lanna Cafe Relaxed and friendly coffee shop offering Koh Chang's only outlet for ethical and delicious Fair Trade coffees.

Pasta, Pizza,lasagne, Home made cakes & Ice cream In a stylish cosy ambience
 * Piggy's (พิกกี้ส์) Kai Bae Beach (Vegetarian Food)
 * Porn's (พร) Kai Bae Beach (Thai Food)
 * Rainbow (เรนโบว์) Kai Bae Beach
 * Ziva restaurant ITALIAN RESTAURANT serving genuine Italian dishes:

Lonely Beach
 * Zuffee On one of the dirt roads towards the beach from the main road this small restaurant offers amazing traditional Thai Muslim food highlighted by their Red and Green curries.  The family that own it are very friendly and funky Thai and English tunes are played on the sound system.

Bailan Beach Sharky's @whitehouse, chill out beach bar and Thai food ,BBQ seafood and an a la carte menu all day long prepared by our experienced chef. 081 409 8307 ; 039 558 113

Bang Bao
 * Ra Biang Bang Bao Seafood (ระเบียงบางเบ้า ซีฟู้ด) Bang Bao Village Ko Chang Tai (Tel: 08 1456 5346, 08 9521 9911) (Seafood)

 * Choe Pho Di Ban Chong Seafood (เจอพอดีบรรจง ซีฟู้ด) 8/2 Mu 1 Baan Bang Bao Ko Chang Tai (Tel: 0 3950 1103, 08 9936 1848, 08 9936 2321) (Seafood)
 * Som Bat-Ple Khun Kaew (สมบัติ-เปิ้ล ขุนแก้ว) 43/3 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Chang (Tel: 08 1863 1328) (Seafood)

Bang Bao

Bang Bao lounge

Drink
White Sand Beach

 * 15 Palms (15 ปาล์ม) (Bar)
 * Earthlinks (เอิร์ธลิ้งค์) (Coffee bar)
 * Jinda Resort (จินดา รีสอร์ท) (Bar)
 * Oodie's Place (โอดี้ส์ เพลส) (Live music bar)
 * Mankeyto Bar (แมนคีย์โตะ บาร์) (Open-air beer bar)
 * Rock Sand Cocktail Bar (Cocktail Beach Bar)
 * Sabay (สบาย) Live music nightly. Also a very entertaining and Free Fire show on the beach 2 times per night. The staff at Sabay Bar are very friendly. Get there early as this place get packed most nights around 11pm.(Beach bar)
 * Tantawan (ทานตะวัน) (Beach Bar)
 * Thor's Palace (ธอร์ส พาเลซ) (Beach Bar)
 * Tiger's Den (ไทเกอร์ เด็น) (Beach bar)
 * Tongsai (ท้องทราย) White Sand Beach (Thai Food)

Klong Prao

 * i-site Chang Internet Cafe''' (Coffee Bar)

Kai Bae Beach

 * Comfortable Bar (คอมฟอร์ทเทเบิล บาร์) (Bar)
 * KB Garden (���คบี การ์เด้นท์) (Bar)
 * Porn's (พร) (Beach Bar)
 * Rainbow (เรนโบว์) (Bar)
 * Taxi Stop (แท๊กซี่ สต๊อป) (Bar)
 * The Joker (เดอะ โจ๊กเกอร์) (European bar)
 * Wan Dee (วันดี) Klong Prao Beach (Thai Food)

Bailan Beach
 * Sharky Chilled out Bar @Whitehouse

Other

 * Angel Bar (แองเจิล บาร์) (Bar)
 * Five Star Saloon (ไฟว์สตาร์ซาลูน) (Contemporary rock and blues to '60s favorites and jazz)
 * KC Bar (เค ซี บาร์) (Bar and dance floor on the beach)

Sleep
The national park offers accommodation as follows: Khlong Son Office–9 rooms for 2–6 persons at Bt 800–2,500. For more information, Tel. 0 3955 5086 or contact National Park, Wildlife and Plant Conservation Department, Bangkok, Tel. 0 2562 0760-2, www.dnp.go.th.

Sai Khao Beach (White Sands Beach)
Located in the north west, in a section called Hat Sai Khao. This area is being developed quite rapidly, so prices are going up. However, you can still find bungalows for 400 baht/night.

 * Apple Bungalow (แอปเปิ้ล บังกะโล) 7/4 Mu 4, White Sand Beach (Tel: 08 1863 3398), 21 bungalows: 800 – 4,000 baht

 * Arunee Resort (อรุณี รีสอร์ท) Mu 4, White Sand Beach, Koh Chang, Trat (Tel: 08 1219 3867), 18 rooms: 250-300 baht (400 baht in high season (Dec. 2009))

 * Alina Resort (อลีน่ารีสอร์ท) 9/10 Mu 4 White Sand Beach, Koh Chang, Trat (Tel: 08 1863 0543, 0 3955 1135 Fax: 0 3955 1136 E-mail: alinaresort@hotmail.com,

 * Bamboo Bungalow (แบมบู บังกะโล) 8/4 Mu 4, White Sand Beach, Koh Chang, Trat (Tel: 0-3955-1158, 08 9834 7875) 11 rooms: 1,200-2,000 baht

 * Ban Sansabay Resort (บ้านแสนสบาย รีสอร์ท) 16/8 Mu 4, White Sand Beach, Koh Chang, Trat (Tel: 0 3955 1061-3, 08 1732 3564,    08 9191 2046) 6 house: 1,000-1,500 baht

 * Ban Thai (บ้านไท) 6/47  White Sand Beach, Koh Chang, Trat (Tel: 0-3955-1108-9, 08 9236 5274) 11 rooms: 1,800-2,200 baht

Klong Prao Beach

 * Aana Resort & Spa (อาน่า รีสอร์ท แอนด์ สปา) 19/2 Mu 4 Klong Praow Beach, Ko Chang, Trat (Tel : 0 3955 1539 Fax : 0 3955 1540 . 71 rooms: 3,700-7,500 baht

 * Aiyapura Resort & Spa (อัยยะปุระ รีสอร์ท แอนด์ สปา) 29 Mu 3 Ko Chang, Trat ( Tel: 0 3955 5111-5 Fax: 0 3955 5118, Email: rm@aiyapura.com, fo@aiyapura.com, generalmanager@aiyapura.com, . 84 rooms 4,500 – 26,000 baht

 * Amari Emerald Cove Resort (อ��ารี เอมอรัล โคฟ รีสอร์ท) 88/8 Mu 4, Tambon Koh Chang, King Amphoe Koh Chang, Trat (Tel: 039-552000, 08 1564 1472, 0 2309 81137),  - the only officially rated 5 Star property on Island. 165 rooms.  Rates from 5300 baht for high season.

Klong Phrao Beach

 * Barali Beach Resort (บาราลี บีช รีสอร์ท) 77 Mu 4 Klong Phrao Beach, Koh Chang, Trat (Tel: 0 3955 12238 Fax: 0 3955 1239), 40 rooms: 8,000-14,000 baht

 * Blue Lagoon Bungalow (บลูลากูน บังกะโล), Khlong Phrao Beach , Koh Chang, Trat (Tel: 08 1940 0649, 08 1985 1132) 14 rooms: 500-1000 baht

Stay healthy
Hospitals

 * Bangkok - Koh Chang Hospital (โรงพยาบาลกรุงเทพ-เกาะช้าง) White Sand Beach (Tel: 0 3955 1555, 24 hour Emergency Medical Service: 0179), (private clinic, open 24 hours)
 * Malaria Clinic (มาลาเรีย คลินิก) Laem Ngop (open: Mon - Fri 08.30 a.m. - 12.00 a.m., 01.00 a.m. - 04.30 a.m.)
 * P.P.Clinic (พี.พี. คลินิก) Klong Son Bay, opposite Amari Resort (Tel: 0 3955 7211 (09.00 a.m. - 8.00 p.m.), 08 5222 3935 (24 hours)), (private clinic, also plastic surgeon, open 24 hours)
 * Koh Chang Dental Clinic (คลินิกทันตกรรมเกาะช้าง) Klong Prao Beach, opposite Amari Resort (Tel: 08 6320 0702, 0 3955 7235, open: 10.00 a.m. - 05.00 p.m.), (private clinic)
 * Koh Chang Hospital (โรงพยาบาลเกาะช้าง) East Coast, Baan Klong Nonsi (Tel: 0 3952 1657, opening-hours: Mon - Fri from 08.30 a.m. - 15.30 p.m., Sat - Sun only for emergencies)
 * The National Trat-Hospital (โรงพยาบาลตราด) 108 Sukhumvit Road, Tambon Wangkrajae, Amphoe Muang (Tel: 0 3953 1784-86, open 24 hours)
 * The Private Bangkok-Trat Hospital (โรงพยาบาลกรุงเทพ-ตราด) 376 Mu2 Sukhumvit Road, Tambon Wangkrajae, Amphoe Muang (Tel: 0 3593 2735, open 24 hours)

There are clinics in the following villages:

Tel. 086 / 32 007 02, opening-hours: 10.00 am - 5.00 pm.
 * Baan Klong Son (Khlong Son Bay)
 * Baan Klong Prao (Klong Prao Beach)
 * Baan Kai Bae (Kai Bae Beach)
 * Baan Bang Bao (Bang Bao Bay)
 * Baan Salak Phet (Salak Phet Bay)
 * Baan Chek Bae (Salak Phet Bay)
 * Koh Chang Dental Clinic (private clinic, opposite Amari Resort) (Klong Prao Beach)

If it is just medicine you are after, then there are plenty of pharmacies all over the island. In the case of a severe case it is advised to go to one of the hospitals in mainland Trat province or even return to Bangkok.

Contact
Nationwide Television, Satellite TV, cable TV and local TV (Koh Chang Television) channels are available on Koh Chang (www.kohchangtv.com). International newspapers and magazines are also available in a couple of bookstores at White Sand Beach, Lonely beach and Ao Khlong Phrao.

Landline telephone, satellite telephone system, mobile phones and internet connection are available on Koh Chang. And, there is a Post Office on the island.

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 21:48, 6 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Ko Chang National Park

Does it make any sense to separate this from Ko Chang itself? (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:49, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

 * I thought exactly the same, and I really don't see a reason why that would be helpful. (WT-en) globe-trotter 16:11, 3 January 2010 (EST)

title: Talk:Ko Chang National Park