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Talk:Kolkata/Archive (2006–2020)

Importing pictures from Wikipedia
Wikipedia decided on Kolkata, after a poll. By the way, is there any way to import Wikipedia pictures to Wikivoyage? (WT-en) Pradiptaray 16:25, 20 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Generally, you can't, due to incompatible licensing. See Wikipedia.  (WT-en) Jonboy 16:28, 20 Jan 2006 (EST)

Calcutta should not be renamed to "Kolkata". Kolkata is city's official name; Calcutta is its most common English-language name, which is in accord with the article naming conventions. --(WT-en) Evan 08:05, 12 Feb 2004 (EST)

Why Kolkata and not Calcutta...
This article should be moved to Kolkata. Even though it is not as big a problem as for Mumbai, since Kolkata is not as common, we cannot continue to give incorrect naming to cities. I have given a more in-depth explanation at Talk:Bombay. It doesn't matter if they're the most common, they are incorrect! It's a bit like the Burma article, which remains Burma for no reason at all, when ALL countries of the world basically refer to it as Myanmar except the USA. (WT-en) Ronline 04:24, 6 May 2004 (EDT)

Text should use Calcutta
Without rendering an opinion on our naming policy.... I'd just like to say that I think the text should use the same name as the title of the article. And the text should use the so-called official name only if the title changes. -- 12:08, 3 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * I just made this change. I tried to avoid changing "Kolkata" to "Calcutta" in proper names. --(WT-en) Evan 12:12, 2 Dec 2005 (EST)

Calcutta - Kolkata debate
I notice that Evan's reasons for not changing the name used in Wikivoyage from Calcutta to Kolkata were given in Feb 2004 - almost two years ago. I am curretly in Kolkata/Calcutta and can categorically state that the title Calcutta is obslete here. Internationally, however, Calcutta may still be the most commonly used name. If that is the case, then Evan's argument still stands. However, I think that it may be time for review. Apologies for changing the title without due consideration of the policy.
 * Honestly, I have no strong feelings either way, about Kolkata or even Mumbai, where I stay. On Wikipedia, I would have strongly supported official names, on the ground that a city is entitled to decide what to call itself. But this is Wikivoyage, and understandably, the traveller comes first. Everyone who calls it Kolkata will know about Calcutta, but the reverse might not be true. On a travel site, change should necessarily be slower. -- (WT-en) Ravikiran 11:19, 30 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * I agree with your point, but I think that using old discontinued names rather than the new official one makes articles appear out of date. Likewise, deciding which name is the most popular one in English is subjective. Of course, if we google the name, the older one will show more articles because there have been more years over which to accumulate them, but that doesn't mean that the newer name is not presently the one favored in the English speaking world, especially by people who will be visiting the places to conduct business. Personally, I think that it would be easier if official names were used in the main article with a redirect link from the page with the old name. In this way, those who still use the discontinued name can find the article and, in addition, it would save the trouble of having to continuously reasses which name is the more popular in English - just a suggestion.
 * Your argument appears to be about the naming policy in general rather than Calcutta specifically. I suggest you make the comment on the appopriate page for discussing the policy in general -- Project:Article naming conventions. -- (WT-en) Colin 10:52, 2 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Our goal is not to be behind the times, but to be exactly in the times -- neither ahead or behind.

 * Some more data points: I checked Google news search, and "Calcutta" is used in US and UK news sources about twice as often as "Kolkata" (I left out "black hole of Calcutta" and "Oh! Calcutta!"). In Canada, NZ, and Australia it was about even; Kolkata was about 8:1 in South Africa, and 5500:3400 in India proper.

 * Wikipedia uses Kolkata; the Getty Thesaurus of Geographic Names prefers "Calcutta" and lists "Kolkata" as the "Bengali name". The Britannica Concise Encyclopedia has "Kolkata -- formerly Calcutta"; Webster's Online only has "Calcutta".

 * I think the scale is tipping towards Kolkata, but as far as I can tell "Calcutta" is still the most common English name for this place. --(WT-en) Evan 12:08, 2 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Can we restart the debate??? It changed it's name FIVE years ago, and a city's name is what it decides to call itself, not what the world is stuck on. If most of the world started referring to New York as the capital of the U.S. would you put it down as the capital in the U.S. guide? I spent most of the last year in India, and pretty much everyone traveling there knows about Mumbai and Kolkata... and making it the official name on this site and others where people come to do their research before traveling will help to educate those who don't know, as opposed to continuing to drag out the issue. I propose instead of having the little reference 'also known as Kolkata' on the Calcutta page that it becomes 'previously Calcutta' on the Kolkata page... Wikivoyage could do a lot to help inform more people... oh, regarding the last sentence in Evan's post, English is a major language in India, and any Indian speaking in English would still refer to it as Kolkata, including non-Bengalis.  (WT-en) Cacahuate 08:40, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Yes, it is definately time to change the names of the Indian cities to their official titles. So, unless there is any strong dissent, I propose changing Calcutta to Kolkata, Madras to Chennai, and Bombay to Mumbai with, of course, redirects from the old and now pretty much obsolete names. Personally, I think that the names used on Wikivoyage should always be those used by the city itself. Unlike written guides where people may look for a familiar title, and miss a new unfamiliar one, Wikivoyage has the advantage of redirect. So, in this way, the 'traveler first' policy is still protected, while at the same time its saves the almost impossible task of having to continuously assess which name is in most common useage - but that is a matter for a different debate. At the moment, I just want to propose changing the names of the cities mentioned above. Thanks. (WT-en) WindHorse 10:05, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

 * I see that the title of the Madras article has already been changed to Chennai. (WT-en) WindHorse 10:09, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

 * I have to prefer Calcutta since it's common and familiar for most English speakers. I think most Wikivoyagers have a deeper understanding of cultures than most other travellers and we have to cater to the travellers that don't know as much about Indian cultures as we do.  I'll use my friend as an example.  If I showed "Kolkata" to my friend he would think it was a marsupial, that's commonly mistaken as a 'bear', native to Australia.  If I showed him "Calcutta" he would know that it's a place in India.  As for Bombay I'm neither for or against renaming it to Mumbai, since the official name is becoming increasingly known amongst English speakers. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 10:45, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Mumbai is becoming increasingly known because people are using it, which is what I propose we do! i learned about 'Mumbai' when I was researching my first trip to india in 2002, and at that time it felt really silly to say it. Now most english speaking travelers in India use it. While Kolkata is still slightly behind, I hear it increasingly more often from foreigners as well, and exclusively from Indians... And a mistake being a common mistake doesn't make it a justified mistake... (WT-en) Cacahuate 10:55, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Good point, Sapphire. I appreciate your feed back. However, I contest that if your friend typed in Calcutta, he would still get the info he wanted as there would be an automatic redirect Calcutta -> Kolkata (he wouldn't get a marsupial). However, I appreciate that he would have difficultly locating the place among the list of cities on the main India page, so to cover for that there would need to be 'a formely known as ...' bracket next to the entry. Furthermore, the opening line on the city article would refer to the fact that the city was previously called Calcutta - so there could be no mistake. As I said, it is always very difficult to assess which name is currently more popular. In the States the old name might still be in favor, but in Europe and English speaking areas of Asia, it might be different. If we google the title, then obviously the older one will show more hits as its had more time to accumulate them. Personally, I think its time to change, but if there is opposition to this, that's fine. We'll just leave it sit a few more years and then see how opinion flows. Thanks. (WT-en) WindHorse 11:20, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Oh yeah, redirects. In that case I don't care either way.  Maybe redirect Koala? :) -- (WT-en) Sapphire 11:24, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Good idea, and Mumbai could be a redirect to what - maybe marsupial? (WT-en) WindHorse 11:27, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

 * So are we in agreement for change? Anyone want to do the honors? WindHorse, you sound like you have all of the details down about which things need to go and direct where... (WT-en) Cacahuate 01:46, 17 October 2006 (EDT)

 * I'll leave it sit a few more days to guage sentiment, because it is not just a matter of arranging a redirect, but references to Calcutta in all articles will also need to be changed - and I don't want to have to revert everything if someone calls foul later. (WT-en) WindHorse 02:46, 17 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Changing the article naming conventions requires a discussion on Project:article naming conventions. Also see Project:Why Wikivoyage doesn't use official names for some common arguments about using official names.

 * If we're willing to stick with the current rules, let's see if "Kolkata" is yet the most common English name. I realize that "most common English name" seems subjective, but it's fairly easy to find backup support for some of these points. Here's my latest search of Google News references:

 * Once again we've got North America with strong trends on using the traditional name, an ambivalent result in the UK, and some strong usage of the new name in the rest of the world. Comparing this to the results I got last year (see above), I think the preference for Calcutta is eroding. I'm not sure it's clearly swung in the other direction, though. --(WT-en) Evan 12:21, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Interesting results - what's your feeling - wait a while or take the plunge for change? By the way, if you think we have difficuties deciding what to name places, check this out: (WT-en) WindHorse 12:27, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

 * My feeling is that we've seen most of the other Indian city name changes take hold, but the bigger and better-known cities are taking longer. It seems likely, barring another name change, that Kolkata will eventually become the most common name for this city. I think moving this article now will be slightly confusing for North American and UK residents, but I'd rather not waste more time and energy on this issue. --(WT-en) Evan 12:43, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Yikes, from the numbers above it seems pretty clear to me that Kolkata is winning even more than I would have expected... only the Americans are holding things up and they need to learn... I'm American and I vote for Kolkata, but I'll let it rest if you want it to rest  :)   (WT-en) Cacahuate 04:15, 22 October 2006 (EDT)

Revival, again
Thinking more about this... Kolkata is sooo much more in use now within India that any traveler who's going there will be hard pressed not to know this name by the time they leave. Booking trains online, for instance, the Indian Railways site doesn't recognize Calcutta, you must type in Kolkata. Even if the majority of North Americans still refer to it as Calcutta, the majority of North Americans aren't going to India. This site is for those that are - the majority of which I personally think will already know about this name change. A few won't, naturally, but at this point I would argue that we'd be making the "traveler come first" by educating the few that don't know about the name change before they get there, helping them to avoid potential problems.

Also, is Kolkata any less the most common name than the other controversial ones that have all since been changed to official names? (Mumbai, Chennai, Myanmar) I really do think it's time to make the move on this one (WT-en) - Cacahuate 03:29, 20 February 2007 (EST)

 * I 100% agree. I was in Kolkata last year, and apart from a few public buildings, there was little evidence of the old name. Likewise, perhaps of more use to the traveler, airlines and trains now all use the name Kolkata. (WT-en) WindHorse 03:42, 20 February 2007 (EST)

 * Alrighty, I'm makin' the move! This is going to be interesting, so many links... (WT-en) - Cacahuate 21:15, 8 March 2007 (EST)

See section cleanup
Just wanted to note, I've overhauled the see section and divided it up... there was a ton of info there, and it was even bordering an itinerary or a walking tour, so I just want to throw a link here to the previous version in case anyone wants it for reference to create one of those or to make sure I didn't get rid of anything valuable. (WT-en) Cacahuate 07:20, 18 December 2006 (EST)

Map?
Please. Could someone find a map of Kolkata? I don't think I've ever seen one and the page needs it desperately!--(WT-en) Wandering 20:30, 15 June 2007 (EDT)

 * I've been meaning to make one for quite a while... I'll see if i can't do that in the next few weeks. It would at least be nice to have one that maps out the districts. Thanks for all your work on the article lately! Good job! – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 21:46, 15 June 2007 (EDT)

Sleep
Moved hotels from article. Some of these are already included in their relevant district pages and the others should be inserted as well. --(WT-en) Wandering 14:50, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

All hotels moved into district sections. --(WT-en) Wandering 16:24, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

kolkata / NY
Kolkata isn't any new york. It's filthy, congested, stinking and last but not the least, awesome.

I agree, the Kolkata/New York analogy is problematic. New York is more like Mumbai, since both are major ports and the finicial capitals of their large countries. I think the metaphor should just be dropped since Kolkata may not have a good city to compare it to in the US.

-How about New Orleans?

District break-up
I think it's high time some one split this city up into disrticts. Otherwise it'll be the same old story as it was (no, IS) with Bangalore and Chennai, there'll be 100 See listings, 200 Do's and the article will be stuck in usable status.

Here's my proposal

 * South Kolkata
 * Esplanade
 * Maidan
 * DumDum
 * East Kolkata

Any suggestions?? (WT-en) Upamanyuwiki • (Talk) • 10:16, 4 March 2007 (EST)

Well, I was sorta working towards that in the "see" section... the subdivisions I made there were how I was thinking... not too different from what you're doing -

 * BBD Bagh
 * Maidan
 * Chowringee
 * Salt Lake City - Maybe Kolkata/East is better
 * Kolkata/South

p.s... it's probably better to work this out first and wait more than 1 day before creating the articles, in case there's any opposition or suggestions, etc... but thanks for pushing this along! Anyone else care to comment? (WT-en) - Cacahuate 03:39, 7 March 2007 (EST)

 * Hey, I've already gone and districtified the stuff because no one was bothering to reply (so I though I'd plunge forward!)

P.S. I'm from Calcutta (I don't live there now but I was born there and still go there twice/thrice a year) and I don't think that Chowringhee would be a good district, it's a street that runs paralled to the Maidan on the Eastern Side. BBD Bagh and Central Calcutta is included in Esplanade (the more generic term) so I think my break-up is quite OK :) (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 07:26, 8 March 2007 (EST) PPS. Hey Cacahuate, please check out Shimla now and gimme some feedback!

I don't know much about Calcutta, so all I can say is, if it is natural, unambiguous and covers the whole of Cal, then we've got the right districtification. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 07:37, 8 March 2007 (EST)

 * It is all 3. So then that means you're fine with it ... (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 07:42, 8 March 2007 (EST)
 * I know a little bit about Kolkata (though am far from an expert) and the the districtification seems fine to me. (WT-en) WindHorse 11:14, 8 March 2007 (EST)

 * OK, sounds good then... I moved them along with the major Calcutta -> Kolkata shift I just made... should we create Kolkata/Howrah? (WT-en) - Cacahuate 21:45, 8 March 2007 (EST)

 * No. Howrah is a separate city and is in the Howrah district. The city of Calcutta lies within the N. 24 Parganas, S. 24 Parganas and Calcutta Minicipal districts. Howrah should have a separate article. It's also on the other side of the river, to the west. There's no denying the fact that it is part of the Cal Megapolis, but that stretches till the harbor and as far as Kaharagpur (over 100km w. of Howrah). We can make that a sub-region of West Bengal and Howrah can fall within it. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 04:35, 9 March 2007 (EST)

 * Yes, good point... I've turned Howrah into an article now instead of redirecting to Kolkata, so any listings can be moved there from that page (WT-en) - Cacahuate 20:26, 9 March 2007 (EST)

So are the Planetarium, Indian Museum and St Paul's in Esplanade or Maidan? I would've thought Maidan, especially since Park St seems to be included in Maidan, and these sights (I think) are inbetween Park St and the park itself (WT-en) - Cacahuate 20:45, 9 March 2007 (EST)
 * Yes, sir, you got two out of three, but the Indian Museum is Esplanade as it north of Park Street, near the junction with Sudder Street (if my my memory doesn't fail me). I'll move the other two over to Maidan. (WT-en) WindHorse 10:33, 10 March 2007 (EST)

still needs clarification
Let's finally get this mess cleaned up. I made a (very raw) sketch based on the outlines discussed so far: map-outlines

Questions:

1. Where are actually city boundaries? So where do the fringes end?

Answer: Depends, Kolkata city endds roughly on the EM bypass to the east, the Hooghly river to the west, DUmDUm to the north and maybe, Tollygunj to the south. Kolkata Metropolitan area, comprises of everything such as Salt Lake City, New Town and Rajarhat, parts of Howrah.

2. Parkstreet in Maidan or Esplanade?

Maidan is exactly not a single place. Parkstreet is a long road linking the Park Circus 7 point crossing to the Maidan and esplanade. Although visitors are more interested to the area near the Maidan/Esplanade.

3. Strand Rd, Eden Garden: Where do we draw the line between Maidan - Esplanade?

Where the Park Street meets the Chowranghee Road.

4. Park Circus: In Maidan, South or Esplanade?

Park Circus is neither in the above. Near to the eastern area of the city, linking the science city, the Eastern Metropolitan Bypass(EM Bypass) and the Salt Lake City.

5. East of Maidan: Where does Maidan's east end? Gopalpur, Rajahat, Garden Reach - Are they Southern fringes?

Maidan Ends with Victoria Memorial building. Rajarhat is East kolkata Township, Garden Reach is the docks at the south fringes.

6. Tangra - where to put it?

Tangra is the East kolkata.

7. Kasba, Haltu - where to put them?

Kasba, Haltu are the southern fringes. Mostly not in the Kolkata Municipality.

8. Is it ok to throw "East Calcutta Township"/... in one pot with Saltlake?

No, Salt Lake City is around for neary 3 decades now, East Calcutta Township is comparatively new.

9. Dum Dum into East Kolkata with Saltlake? Including North Dum Dum and the airport?

DumDum is actually North Calcutta, please dont mix DumDum with DumDum Airport.

10. Where is the Northern boarder of North (and East) districts / the Southern boarder of the Northern fringes?

Northern Border for the Metropolitan Area streches upto maybe Barrackpore(military barracks), Southern extends till Joka (with the IIMs and many resorts).

''Okay, I think that's it - too many questions, I know ... and I apologize for that.'' So just answer some question if you can

My thoughts:

to 2. Right now it is in both district articles (although more in Maidan).

to 3. I would leave Eden Garden with Maidan, as it is kind of part of the Maidan sport/park areas.

(WT-en) Sebindi 07:35, 4 April 2010 (EDT)

 * I can't be of any help at all I am afraid as I know zilch about Kolkata. I would suggest though that as the districtification has been pending for years now, wait about 14 days for comments, and if none come just plunge forward with your own plan, always updating the intended scheme here. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:19, 4 April 2010 (EDT)

Giant airline/busline lists
As a general rule we do not attempt to maintain detailed transport schedules/routes, and we discourage giant lists of things, so I have removed the following from the article. Texugo (talk) 18:38, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Scheduled Passenger Airlines
 * Air India (All India, Kathmandu, Yangon and Dhaka).
 * Jet Airways (All India, Bangkok and Dhaka).
 * Indigo (All India, Bangkok).
 * SpiceJet (All India).
 * Emirates (Dubai).
 * Qatar Airways (Doha).
 * Singapore Airlines, SilkAir (Singapore).
 * Dragonair (Hong Kong).
 * China Easter Airlines (Kunming).
 * Thai Airways (Bangkok).
 * Thai AirAsia (Bangkok).
 * AirAsia (Kuala Lumpur).
 * Druk Air (Paro).
 * Biman Bangladesh (Dhaka).
 * United Airways (Dhaka).
 * GoAir (All India)

Trains originating from Howrah Station are :

Rajdhani Express

 * Howrah - New Delhi Rajdhani Express via Gaya
 * Howrah - New Delhi Rajdhani Express via Patna

AC Duronto Express

 * Howrah Mumbai CST Duronto Express
 * Howrah-Pune Duronto Express
 * Howrah - Yesvantpur Duronto Express
 * Howrah Digha Duronto Express
 * Howrah - New Delhi Duronto Express

Shatabdi Express

 * Howrah - Ranchi Shatabdi Express
 * Howrah - New Jalpaiguri Shatabdi Express
 * Howrah - Puri Shatabdi Express

Jan Shatabdi Express

 * Howrah-Patna Jan Shatabdi Express
 * Howrah-Bhubaneswar Jan Shatabdi Express
 * Howrah-Barbil Jan Shatabdi Express

Garib Rath

 * Howrah-Puri Garib Rath Express

Double Decker Express

 * Howrah - Dhanbad Double Decker Express

Superfast
Trains originating from Kolkata Station are:
 * Howrah - New Delhi Yuva Express
 * Howrah-Secunderabad Falaknuma Express
 * Poorva Express (via Gaya)
 * Poorva Express(via Patna)
 * Howrah-Chennai Central Coromandel Express
 * Howrah-New Delhi Express
 * Howrah Mail via Nagpur
 * Howrah-Jammu Tawi Himgiri Express
 * Howrah-Mumbai LTT Jnaneshwari Express
 * Howrah-Mumbai CST Gitanjali Express
 * Howrah-Mumbai CST Weekly Superfast Express
 * Howrah-Mumbai LTT Samarsata Express
 * Mumbai Mail via Allahabad
 * Howrah-Pune Azad Hind Express
 * Howrah-Puri Dhauli Express
 * Howrah-Tatanagar Steel Express
 * Howrah-Titlagarh Ispat Express
 * Howrah-Indore Shipra Express
 * Howrah-Gandhidham Garbha Express
 * Howrah-Sambalpur Express
 * Howrah-Asansol Agniveena Express
 * Howrah-Dhanbad Coalfield Express
 * Howrah-Purulia Express
 * Howrah-Purulia Lalmati Express
 * Howrah-Jabalpur Shaktipunj Express
 * Howrah-Jamalpur Express
 * Howrah-Dibrugarh Kamrup Express
 * Howrah-Delhi/Rajgir Janta Express
 * Samleshwari Express
 * Howrah-Hatia Express
 * Howrah-Dehradun Doon Express
 * Howrah-Puri Sri Jagannath Express
 * Howrah-Kathgodam Bagh Express
 * Howrah-Malda Town Intercity Express
 * Howrah-Ranchi Intercity Express via Asansol.
 * Howrah-Ranchi Intercity Express via Tatanagar
 * Howrah-Azimganj Kaviguru Express
 * Howrah-Bhopal Express
 * Howrah-Hyderabad East Coast Express
 * Howrah-Bolpur Kaviguru Express
 * Howrah-Siuri Hool Express
 * Howrah-Dhanbad Black Diamond Express
 * Howrah-Azimganj Gandevta Express
 * Howrah-Digha Kandari Express
 * Howrah-Vasco-da-Gama Amravathi Express
 * Howrah-Siuri Intercity Express

 * Kolkata-Patna Garib Rath
 * Kolkata - Guwahati Garib Rath Express
 * Kolkata-Amritsar Superfast Express
 * Kolkata-Bikaner Pratap Superfast Express
 * Kolkata-Delhi Lal Quila Express
 * Kolkata - Haldibari InterCity Express
 * Maithili Express
 * Kolkata-Jogbani Express
 * Kolkata-Jaynagar Weekly Express
 * Kolkata-Sitamarhi Mithilanchal Express
 * Kolkata-Radhikapur Express
 * Kolkata-Gorakhpur Poorvanchal Express via Muzaffarpur
 * Kolkata-Gorakhpur Poorvanchal Express via Ballia
 * Kolkata-Gorakhpur Poorvanchal Express via Narkatiaganj
 * Kolkata-Jammu Tawi Express
 * Kolkata-Muzaffarpur Tirhut Express
 * Kolkata-Giridih Link Express
 * Kolkata-Berhampore Court Dhanya Dhaanya Express
 * Kolkata-Balurghat Tebhaga Express
 * Kolkata-Dibrugarh Superfast Dihing Express
 * Kolkata-Nangal Dam Gurumukhi Superfast Express
 * Kolkata-Ajmer Weekly via Kota Express
 * Kolkata-Agra Cannt Superfast Express
 * Kolkata-Ajmer Weekly via Nimach Express
 * Kolkata-Lalgola Hazarduari Express
 * Kolkata-Jhansi Pratham Swatantrata Sangram Express
 * Kolkata-Dhaka Cantt Maitree Express - the only international train between India and Bangladesh
 * Kolkata-Azamgarh Weekly Express

 * Shalimar - Bhuj Weekly SF Express (Via Tatanagar-Bilaspur-Bhopal)
 * Shalimar - Lokmanya Tilak Terminus Mumbai Express (Via Nagpur-Itwari)
 * Shalimar - Secunderabad Express (Via Bhubaneswar)
 * Shalimar - Trivandrum Central Thiruvananthapuram Express
 * Shalimar - Trivandrum Central - Nagercoil Gurudev Superfast Express
 * Shalimar - Gorakhpur Bhojpuri Express (Via Tatanagar-Purulia)
 * Shalimar - Baripada Express
 * Shalimar - Puri Superfast Express
 * Shalimar - Visakhapatnam Superfast Express
 * Shalimar - UdaipurCity Express
 * Shalimar - Bankura Rajya Rani Express
 * Shalimar - Bhojudih Aranyak Express
 * Shalimar - Patna Duronto Express
 * Shalimar - Chennai Superfast Express

Header Image Suggestion
For this page header image I tried to add the following image File:Saltlake Sector V.jpg. I think this is a better representation of Kolkata than the previous Image. The content of previous image of taxis etc. is common in many more Indian cities. So I request to replpace the current image. --Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 09:22, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

 * I find that image uninteresting, and it's already used in one of the district articles, is it not? Pagebanners shouldn't be used on more than one article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:31, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

 * I think I can see my office on that image :)
 * Every major Indian city has a skyline of new office buildings. In fact it is already used for the Salt Lake area article for Kolkata/East Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:46, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Is there any rule that a page banner can't be used in two pages??? Ikan Kekek (talk)--Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 03:58, 13 January 2015 (UTC)--Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 03:58, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Even if there wasn't a rule, the image that you are proposing is really uninteresting. It could be an office park somewhere in the United States. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 04:06, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Besides, while I don't know whether or not it's been codified as a rule, it has been generally agreed, and consensuses drive policy on this site. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:21, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

New Photo for Banner
Dear Ikan Kekek (talk), Andrewssi2 (talk)here is a new suggestion for the the banner photo, please do have a look File:Howrah Bridge, Kolkata.jpg--Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 16:21, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

 * It's a nice banner, but Howrah has no custom banner, so perhaps this should be Howrah's banner. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:59, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Dear Ikan Kekek (talk) the Howrah Bridge connects Kolkata with Howrah and its is a major landmark of Kolkata and not of Howrah, so I would suggest, to use it in the Kolkata page rather than Howrah page.--Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 08:09, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

 * How is it not a major landmark of Howrah as well as of Kolkata, given that it connects the two cities? In any case, even if you think that banner is not appropriate for Howrah, the fact is that that article lacks any banner, whereas Kolkata does have a banner, and the creation of a banner for an article that has none takes precedence over the replacement of a banner on an article that has one. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:44, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Dear Ikan Kekek (talk)all I want to say is the the the content of current banner image of taxis etc. is common in many more Indian cities and in no way significant to Kolkata. It is the same logic that was given for my previous banner suggestion. We can also use the photo for both the Howrah and Kolkata page. --Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 17:33, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

 * No, we shouldn't use the same banner for two pages. We've discussed that point before, have we not? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:56, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

 * The funny thing about this discussion is that Kolkata has so many distinctive landmarks/buildings. Check Kolkata Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:11, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Dear Andrewssi2 (talk) the Wikipedia Kolkata page has the photo of Howrah Bridge in its title image, so I don't understand why it can't be used in the Wikivoyage Kolkata page??? Also Ikan Kekek (talk) I think there is no rule that a photo can be used in banner for two pages, this was discussed earlier. —The preceding comment was added by Rangan Datta Wiki (talk • contribs)

 * User:Rangan Datta Wiki, why don't you propose on Wikivoyage talk:Banner expedition to allow the same custom pagebanner to be used on two or more pages? I think you will probably get 0 votes in support and several votes against, but go ahead. I think it's already clear that there's a working consensus against such an action. Consensuses on this site don't all have to be written up as rules, and your arguing a matter of site-wide policy on this thread will produce no results other than "No."

 * Now, as for whether your proposed banner can or cannot be used for Kolkata, that's not the issue. As I said before, but you don't seem to be listening, Kolkata already has a pagebanner, Howrah has none, and — well, just reread what I wrote above. Unless you have a new point to make, I think I'm done here, with all due respect. Have a great day. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:10, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Actually, I tried previewing the file you linked as a pagebanner for Howrah, and it seems too hazy to me. This file is very big and might be possible to turn into a pagebanner for Howrah if someone wants to try cropping it appropriately: Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:20, 1 February 2015 (UTC) Howrah Bridge et les ablutions dans la Howrah.jpg

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Talk:Kolomenskoye

Merge
Kolomenskoye is part of Moscow, and therefore this article should be merged there. But, it will just make things more confusing to do so until we have actually districted Moscow. So... lets leave this one for now, I guess. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:53, 10 December 2008 (EST)

 * So, What's the deal here? if Moscow is still a mess, mind choosing an appropriate IsIn tag for this one? --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 14:18, 16 December 2009 (EST)

 * Well, it would go to Moscow/South. I'll redirect this page back to Moscow, but leave the content, since it's a ready made start on a Moscow/South article. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:26, 16 December 2009 (EST)

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Talk:Ko Lon

TAT Listings
Some TAT sleep listings that cluttered the page:

 * Baan Mai Cottage (บ้านไม้ คอทเทจ) 35/1 Mu 3, Tambon Rawai, Amphoe Mueang (Tel: 0 7622 3095 www.baanmai.com), 9 rooms: 6,900-18,000 baht
 * Cruiser Island Resort (ครุยเซอร์ ไอร์แลนด์ รีสอร์ท) 34/2 Mu 3, Wiset Road (Tel: 0 7638 3210 Fax: 0 7638 3211 www.cruiserislandresort.com), 30 rooms: 3,900-6,800 baht

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 22:17, 15 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Kolyma Highway

Great article
This is a great and very interesting article, which might be better presented using itinerary format. I also think, when the articles for towns along the road are all created (as much as they need to be, some may not pass the treshold to get an article), it would be very good to add routeboxes to the end of the articles for the readers to easily see the next town on the route. – (WT-en) Vidimian 16:44, 24 August 2010 (EDT)

 * I'd second the suggestion to convert this to itinerary format. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:04, 24 August 2010 (EDT)

 * I wrote the original article, and I think itinery conversion is okay (I am not familiar with all the different demarcations in wikivoyage). However, to me the area is a region, though not a borders and semantics political one (politically it is one region though...). Very few of the other towns along the route will ever reach treshold (IMO), they have a large negative population growth rate and no tourist facilities!(WT-en) Kcharles 22:04, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

 * I gave a shot at converting this into an itinerary article. I didn't remove anything in the process, just moved stuff around to where they seem to have made most sense in an itinerary article. – (WT-en) Vidimian 16:09, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Ko Mak

Listings
I moved some listings to Talk:Ko Mak/Listings for future reference and clean-up. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 21:37, 6 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Ko Mak/Listings

Get in
Laem Ngop >>>> Koh Mak                Koh Mak >>>>>Laem Ngop

By slow boat 50 seats, journey time 3 hrs : (THB 300/person)

1. Depart Laem Ngop pier at 11:00AM and arrive Koh Mak ( Ao Nid pier ) at 14:00PM

By speedboat 2 engines, 30 seats, journey time 45 minutes : (THB 450/person)

Pa Nhan Speedboat :

1. Depart Laem Ngop pier at 9:30AM and arrive Koh Mak ( Ao Soun Yai pier ) at 10:15AM

2. Depart Laem Ngop pier at 16:00AM and arrive Koh Mak ( Ao Soun Yai pier ) at 16:45AM

Leelawadee Speedboat :

1. Depart Laem Ngop pier at 08:30AM and arrive Koh Mak ( Makathanee pier ) at 09:15AM

2. Depart Laem Ngop pier at 10:30AM and arrive Koh Mak ( Makathanee pier ) at 11:15AM 3. Depart Laem Ngop pier at 14:00PM and arrive Koh Mak ( Makathanee pier ) at 14:45PM

4. Depart Laem Ngop pier at 15:00PM and arrive Koh Mak ( Makathanee pier ) at 15:45PM

Laem Sok >>>> Koh Mak      Koh Mak >>>>>Laem Sok & Koh Kood >>>> Koh Mak    Koh Kood >>>>> Koh Mak

Siriwhite / Laem Sok Group Speedboat :

1. Depart Laem Sok pier at 09:00 and arrive Koh Mak ( Ao Nid pier ) at 09:40

2. Depart Laem Sok pier at 13:00 and arrive Koh Mak ( Ao Nid pier ) at 13:40 3. Depart Koh Kood at 10:00 and arrive Koh Mak ( Ao Nid pier ) at 10:45

4. Depart Koh Kood at 12:00 and arrive Koh Mak ( Ao Nid pier ) at 12:40

Rate from Laem Sok to Koh Mak is 450 baht / person and from Koh Kood is 350 baht / person. Children under 10 pay 50%.

There are also connections from Ko Chang.Departure from Bang Bao Pier at 9AM everyday Cost THB 400/person Slow boats/ 2 hours trip( January 2009 ) with free transportation between your hotel in Koh Chang and Bang Bao Pier.

Eat
" Home made" ice cream( Rhum raisin, Hybiscus and of course coconut ! ) at Havana Restaurant

Excellent and cheap local food ( thai recipes ) at Mong Noodle shop, located near Island hut and Koh Mak divers

Very tasty thai food at local price at "Patoum" restaurant, in front of koh mak temple

The Homestay Apartment cost in the main session only 950,-Baht per night and has refrigerator,hot shower,TV,DVD and a great mattress with night stands and a 21 sqm privat terrace from which you have a nice view into the tropical garden.You have no neighbors and can enjoy various birds and butterflies in the garden. In front of the house is the only Beauty Salon on the island,where you can get from a haircut to a massage. Motorbikes are for rent.
 * Jungle Bistro has Home Made Ice Cream and Homemade Cakes, all made with real Vanilla Beans.Also you can get their home made Jam with Croissants,Baguette and Sourdough and other bread.The Bistro try to have all the things other restaurants won't have.It's located between Mong's Restaurant and the Island Boutique.

Sleep

 * Baan Chailay Resort
 * Baan Koh Mak
 * Cococape Resort
 * Good Time Resort & Spa
 * Koh Mak Resort
 * Lazy Day resort
 * Little Moon 10 small natural huts
 * Monkey Island Koh Mak

 * Makathanee Koh Mak Resort Wonderful Panorama View Bungalows on Koh Mak's most beautiful beach. Rates from 1500 baht
 * Pano Resort Double bungalow with sea view +/- 700 bath /night
 * Suchanaree small bungalows by the sea, next to Koh Mak resort,+/- 500 bath/night Tel 0896079400
 * the Koh Mak Retreat  Opened in November of 2009. An exclusive Jungle hideaway with Jacuzzi Villas and Tropical Garden Villas, all with an magnificent Sea View. Rates from 5900 baht

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 21:41, 6 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Kampong Thom

From Siem Reap
This was in the Siem Reap article, although I'm not sure any of it would be useful here. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 14:13, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

There is a restaurant called THE AMERICAN featuring hamburgers, fries and ice cream right down the street from where the buses stop at the Arunras Hotel. The restaurant now offers 3 sizes of hamburgers (80,115 and 150grams).Look for the yellow sign on the side street next to the Arunras. They also have fresh fruit shakes and fresh Vietnamese coffee. By all means avoid eating at the Hotel it is an expensive tourist trap with mediocre food at best, but most of the bus clientele see fit to dine there or next door, where a lot of the locals like to eat.

..... (from Staten Island New York ) .....American Restaurant is GOOD EATS .....Great Burgers, Pasta, Seafood, HOMEMADE ICECREAM and so much more... Real coffee, not that powdered garbage you get at other places.... Try the American Restaurant once and you are sure to return... breakfast-lunch and dinner .. The owners, Larry and Sophea make you feel right at home .. My son and I traveled into Kompong Thom in the summer of 2010. We stayed right on National Road 6 and ate at the Amewrican Restaurant every day while there.... As I said at the beginning of my review....American Restaurant is GOOD EATS!!!!!

Sambor Prei Kuk
Should really be a See Listing as it's a half day trip from Kampong Thom (1 hr each way in a tuk-tuk) rather than a Go Next. PsamatheM 11 Dec 2019 (can't remember the magic code for name/date stamp)

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Talk:Ko Nang Yuan

TAT Listings
Moved some TAT clutter to Talk:Ko Nang Yuan/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 20:43, 6 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Ko Nang Yuan/Listings

Sleep

 * Ko Nang Yuan (เกาะนางยวน)
 * Nang Yuan Dive Resort (นางยวนไดฟ์รีสอร์ท) Ko Nang Yuan, Tel: 0 7745 6088–93, 0 7742 7046 Bangkok Tel: 0 2885 9531-2, 53 rooms: 1,500-3,500 baht

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Talk:Konarak

The right name is Konark, not Konarak. A mild fever prevents me from doing it myself. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 06:16, 22 June 2006 (EDT)

Google check says 212 thousand-odd hits for Konark vs 148 fr Konarak. Konarak is the name I know, and what the UNESCO World Heritage List uses. Merging is fine, as long as the other name becomes a redirect. (WT-en) Pashley 09:33, 22 June 2006 (EDT)

Merge done and I'm about to make Konarak a redirect. I'd prefer to do it the other way, but unless someone else weighs in I'll defer to your probably better knowledge of India. (WT-en) Pashley 09:40, 22 June 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Kongernes Nordsjælland National Park

Title
Any reason this needs to be the non-standard "National Park Kongernes Nordsjælland" instead of the more typical "Kongernes Nordsjælland National Park"? (WT-en) texugo 09:44, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

 * I do not know the reason for naming it like this. I would say, it should be changed, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 11:50, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

 * Done, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 16:35, 20 October 2011 (EDT)


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Talk:Konopiste

Konopiste
Not an article, can't sleep there. This appears to be the name of a castle (thus, an attraction) rather than a city. Perhaps can be moved to a nearby town? --(WT-en) OldPine 15:05, 17 November 2007 (EST)
 * Redirect to Benešov seems appropriate --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 12:29, 5 December 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Kon Tum

Mark Richardson 2004

Virtually everything that I have written in the past is now incorrect.

(Please note that I wrote this info before the problems of Easter 2004 and have not sent it in until Dec 2004. From what I know the situation has returned to normal so that the following info is again correct).

Kontum

First of all let me congratulate the local authorities on the open door policy now operating in the Kontum province. This has made huge changes in the lives of the locals and for tourists who are now much more welcome. It is now possible to go almost anywhere.

There are now a plethora of hotels in Kontum although I’m informed the Family Hotel and the Dak bla hotel are the most popular. I’m reliably informed that the quality of service has improved in the hotel industry in general to keep apace of the other changes.

(I personally stay in our family’s house in a Montagnard village. Permission was easily and quickly granted).

Hotel Dak bla (just across the bridge when entering Kontum from the south) has the advantage of having the tourist agency in the office underneath where you can find the best tour guide for the province Huynh (mobile 0905112037

E-mail. huynhguide@yahoo.com)

If you want to understand what you are looking at then hire him at a very reasonable rate. This is something you will NOT regret. He was one of my best students in1994/5 and his English is fluent due to his hard work. He’s quite a good photographers assistant too.

He will tailor trips to the individual or group. For day-trippers, ex servicemen, backpackers, ethnologists/anthropologists. His knowledge of the area is unsurpassed!!!!!!!!!!

I cannot over stress the importance of having a knowledgeable guide with you. It will make a huge difference to your whole experience. Not all guides are good. I heard some guides from another province telling tourists about the hill tribes in Kontum.

They obviously knew nothing and were making it up as they went along.

Eating.

Restaurant Dak bla 168 Nguyen Hue Street is still a great place to eat although a little above average in cost (but still very reasonable). Great if you have young children with you as he does the best chips you will find anywhere. Mr. Van is still is a great drinking partner when his wife allows him. Also he serves excellent traditional Vietnamese food.

The food is generally very cheap in Kontum and it is well worth your while to pay for the guide to have the evening meal with you so you can find the best restaurants where the locals eat.

The best dog meat restaurant is on a dirt road near the Hotel Dak bla but is accessed from Nguyen Hue street a couple of hundred metres further up. 4 different courses of dog with copious amounts of strong alcohol cost about 55,000 dong for 3 people (about £2, i.e. 70p each!!!!!!) Go on treat your guide.

Hint- you will be given a small bowl of a foul smelling purple sauce (made from a type of shrimp paste) squeeze the lime juice into it and add a bout a tablespoon full of rice alcohol and stir vigorously.

Wrap a piece of meat in a leaf and dip into sauce. Use very little sauce.

There is a wild meat restaurant serving such things as lizard, wild boar, porcupine and a small fox like creature. All the aforementioned are perfectly acceptable to the western palate although perhaps less acceptable to the conservationally minded. Go north on Le Hong Phong Street straight across the roundabout and continue to the T-junction turn left then take the next right. Restaurant 25?????

A great breakfast can be had at 120 Le Hong Phong Street, consisting of fried egg Vietnamese sausage a small piece of steak and meatballs with some veggies and bread that is superior to anything to be had in England.

Superb noodle based dishes can be bought any where in the town (from about 3000 dong-a little more than 10p!!!!) – just sit down and point at what some one else is eating unless you can speak the language.

Bread rolls with a meat and vegetable filling can be bought from any one of a number of street side vendors for 2000 dong – very filling and tasty.

If you are fortunate enough to visit a village where there is a party in progress you more than likely be offered food and drink (At the moment westerners are still relatively rare). Although the appearance of some of the food can be off putting to some westerners it is all very tasty. The degree of hospitality you will be shown can be overwhelming.

The village of Plei Tonghia has a new rong house (under construction Jan 2004).

A new traditional house has been built (Jan 04) in the centre of the village amongst other traditional houses where one can sample the Montagnard Jar wine and learn a little about the Montagnard culture. This is owned by the one and only Doctor Nghem who is a local Bahnar woman and a great character.

The wooden cathedral is well worth a visit, 13 Nguyen Hue, as is the Montagnard orphanage behind the cathedral and its annexe in the neighbouring village of Kon Hra Chot.

There is a small Hill Tribe museum in the old seminary building. This is most easily found by following the road opposite the wooden Cathedral and following this to its end and the rather large impressive former seminary is almost directly opposite. (although visits are best prearranged through the tourist agency. Again this is best visited with someone who is passionate about the local culture. You may even learn about the tiny earthenware jar containing cotton soaked in elephant tears that functioned as a talisman).

Kon Kotu village, which used to be found following a series of “goat” tracks can now be easily found following the road across the suspension bridge at Kon Klor and following the road (asphalt and concrete) all the way to the village!!!

Arrangements can be made with the tourist agency at hotel Dak bla to stay overnight in the village and experience a gong music party.

I must stress that this MUST be done through the agency and not with guides from other areas or alone. Gatecrashing may not be appreciated, especially if it is a special party for returnees and family. It is not a question of money and as one very arrogant group found out when they insisted that they be allowed to attend one such party they were not welcome and it ended being sorted out by the authorities who then expulsed them from the village. You wouldn’t do it at home so don’t do it here.

The music party can be organised in advance by the tourist agency.

Just before the village of Kon Kotu on a large bend in the road there is the fairies bed of local mythology- a large flat rock by the side of the river.

A short trek can be organised from Kon Kotu to another village across a bamboo suspension bridge.

A nice river trip in a small rubber dinghy is also recommended although this is not white water rafting for extreme aficionados but more for those who want to appreciate the peace and beauty of the area. (Although there are a few small rapids). A stop can be made at the rock where the Giant, Bok Rok dried his loincloth. (Local mythology).

Amateur Anthropologists/ethnologists would appreciate a visit to the Jarrei cemetery west of Kontum where the wooden statues from the grave abandoning ceremony can be seen. Also North of Kontum a visit to see the communal houses of the Jeh, Trieng and Sodra peoples is most interesting.

Konplong old and new!(and over the Mang Den Pass) What was the town of Konplong in the district of Konplong has now changed name!

The new district town of Konplong is being built at the top of the Mang Den pass and was in Jan 04 quite surreal. Wide streets with pavements cut into the forest/plantations with only one or two buildings partially completed for the new infrastructure.

Over the Mang Den pass it is possible to see the Monome people. This is really only for those with a strong ethnological bent. These people are still relatively shy and most of the women will hide from cameras (a shame because they have the most beautiful smiles to be seen anywhere). (Great honey can be bought here)!

It is possible (but only through the tourist agency who can sometimes secure permission) to stay overnight in a Jolong village in the Kon Plong district.

The villages in this area still follow the animist religion.

Beware the women drink and will invite you to drink with them. Although generally speaking they are a lot smaller than westerners they are used to the local alcohol- YOU ARE NOT. (I speak from experience).

Dakto and Tanh Canh The little museum that used to contain a few war relics has now gone.

The war memorial which a few years ago was on the north side of town is now more central due to the expansion of the town (the memorial has not moved).

Here turn left to see the old runway of Charlie base/ Eagle airport with Hamburger hill to the west.

Or turn right and visit the hot springs at Dakto but a guide will be needed to find it and a very scenic series of small waterfalls in the same area.

The hot water springs from which Dak (water) To (hot) takes its name in the Bahnar language are nothing to see but just steam coming from a narrow stream.

The Ho Chi Minh trail is now in places a 4-lane highway!

New modern towns are cropping up where only a few basic houses existed a few years before.

It is possible to go from the Kontum province into Laos if you have the visa.

Before the frontier is the Bru village that now live in modern housing built with compensation money from having the new highway built across their tribal lands.

According to the most recent census the Bru number 250.

If you can speak the local languages- Bahnar, Jolong, Jarrei, Xedang, Trieng, Sodra, Monome, Rengao, Jeh and even Lao amongst others it is possible to visit much of the province without a guide if you don’t mind getting hopelessly lost now and again.

Although it is permitted to ride motorbikes it is not advisable as the number of motorbikes has increased ten fold over the last few years and the number of accidents has increased. (Including accidents involving foreigners) Best to have someone who is used to riding here and who has a reputation of being safe. I used to ride here but wouldn’t dream of doing it now.

CAFÉ EVA is an experience not to be missed. 01 Phanh Chu Trinh Street.

The owner a Mr An is an artist and quite visionary in his approach. This place is popular with locals as well as the few tourists who come here.

The Café is difficult to describe but essentially captures the spirit of the jungle and the hill tribe people their art and culture. DO NOT MISS THIS if you go to Kontum.

Also Mr An is a great source of local knowledge.

E-mail

You will find it difficult to leave this place.

The best place to get photos developed is at Photo Thanh, 06 Le Loi Street.

Mr Thanh is himself an accomplished photographer.

It is advisable to explain that you want your negatives in strips in sheets, as this is not a standard practice anywhere in Kontum. Mr Thanh’s wife can speak excellent English (Teacher) if you require anything other than standard developing.

The best place to change dollars is at the Jewellery shop at 98 Le Hong Phong.

The owner is a Mr Thanh who speaks English and is a very helpful and friendly person as is his brother, Mr Quyen who owns a souvenir shop opposite.

Mr Thanh also has a very large and impressive collection of Stone Age tools.

There is so much now that is accessible to the tourist/backpacker from battlefields to serene but hidden waterfalls, hot springs and undisturbed Montagnard villages that only can be found with local knowledge.

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Talk:Konya

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Comments
Hello Can anybody tell me how far it is from the train station in Konya to the bus station & how to get there Please??? Thanks Kimbo (WT-en) Kimbo 07:02, 19 July 2011 (EDT)

 * It's been more than three years since I was last in Konya, so I can't remember clearly but walking from the train station to Alaattin Square/Park (which I exactly did) was about 30 minutes. From Alaattin Square, you can take the tram right to the bus station, which should take something like another 30 min (don't walk to the bus station—it's way out of city centre). – (WT-en) Vidimian 16:26, 19 July 2011 (EDT)

Banner
To be honest, I've never liked the current banner, 0, which presumably shows a residential suburb; I guess the area has little relevance to the average visitor to the city, and think it doesn't look very pretty, especially in that crop.

So I have two proposals, both Rumi/Sufism-related. That may come across as somewhat stereotypical, but that is the primary attraction of the city.

Banner 1 is a nighttime view of domes and arches as seen from the square in front of (or from the outer yard of) Mevlana Museum/Rumi's mausoleum, with the iconic green dome in the middle.

Banner 2 shows Sufi dervishes whirling during a Sema ritual. Granted, there are a lot of people in the image, but I don't think any of the faces is easily recognizable and they seem to be in a public venue.

Thoughts? Vidimian (talk) 22:01, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

 * My preferences are for 1, then 2, and both are much more interesting than 0, which doesn't suck but clearly is not the best we can do. Thanks for the banners! Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:21, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Changed to 1. Thanks for voicing an opinion. Vidimian (talk) 22:49, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Ko Pha-ngan

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Snipping out personal experience contributed by an anonymous user: (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:15, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

Although it may seem counter-intuitive, getting away from the Sunrise strip of Haad Rin in the week leading up to the Full Moon Party is one of the best things you can do. But if you prefer the deafening bass and stink of petrol which emanate from the beachside clubs at night, be advised that some places offer considerably better accomodations than others; it is often smart--particularly for back packers on a budget--to spend the extra bit of cash to ensure that your sanity and HEALTH remain intact.

Many travelers will no doubt turn to their trusty Lonely Planet Bible in search of recommended accomodations on Haad Rin. One of the first budget listings, Paradise Bungalows, is touted as having started the Full Moon Party a couple of decades ago. A cursory inspection of the lodgings and services reveals a place that is quickly decaying, but worth the 350 Baht to stay on the beach. However, DO NOT BE FOOLED! This place is not safe, the bungalows are filthy and the staff are not friendly!

On Full Moon night my girlfriend and I were returned home early. Having only consumed a moderate amount of alcohol--no illicit substances--we found a British man and a Thai lady boy having sex on our door step. We politely asked them to leave and they began to do so begrudgingly. They grew agitated--clearly on hard core uppers, as their eyes were heavily glazed--and began to verbally and physically threaten my girlfriend. A fight ensued which resulted in my girl friend and I being beaten with a bamboo branch by the prostitute, barricaded in our room to threats of "You will never leave this island alive!" and numerous bricks were thrown through our window.

When we ran down stairs to "reception" pleading, admittedly forcefully with the receptionist to get the manager for us, she told us to "Fucking call her ourselves!" and called two Thai men to begin beating on me. Only after I ran to get the amazingly unhelpful and inaffectual Thai police (who were drinking beer on the beach) did the Paradise staff begin to understand the gravity of the situation, and tend to our numerous wounds. Predictably enough they also began to try and bribe us to keep quite and when we refused to let them comp our room or give us free ammenities they grew cold again; the management made sure to avoid us for the duration of our stay there.

In summary Paradise Bungalows does not provide adequate rooms, SECURITY or lighting (particularly near the dark, hill side bungalows.) It is certainly not worth saving some money to say that you stayed at the place that started the Full Moon phenomenon, and it is certainly not worth risking your safety. The owners of Paradise Bungalows also allow "staff" to live amongst the bungalows reserved for guests. Some of these staff were seen doing drugs and threatening the safety and good time of others. (DO NOT LOSE YOUR COOL WITH THAI PEOPLE. everything written about them by the previous author in the "Stay Safe" sub heading is true)

before the traveler strongly recommends get to Ko Ko Phangan

--(WT-en) Dazzla 12:21, 20 July 2010 (EDT)
 * "You will never leave this island alive!" - I've heard this on KPN before, when I refused to pay for food that I didn't order, eat, or even see. Bungalow and moped hire owners, in particular, can turn very nasty when you question (in a polite and friendly manner) suspicious charges ot demands for payment for repairs. Be warned, the land of smiles can turn nasty very quickly and nowhere is this more evident than on the islands. I agree. Do not lose your cool.

TAT Listings
Moving some TAT listings from the Surat Thani province page to Talk:Ko Pha Ngan/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 20:34, 6 February 2010 (EST)

Achieving a consensus on tour listings in this article
First of all, we have to unpack a bunch of links, but for those of you who know: Which of the tour operators listed or linked in this article are reliable, and what do we do with things like a revert of advice to cut out the middleman and ask for a discount? We need to avoid dishonest promotions and profiteering booking agencies here but probably should help honest, untouty businesses that would improve travelers' vacations. Please help; I haven't visited Ko Pha Ngan and would rather not just do things based on feel. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 02:43, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

Pronunciation of NG (ง)
I think the last syllable should be pronounced "ngan with ng as in sing", not "nGan with G as in mango". See w:Ko Pha-ngan. --FredTC (talk) 09:24, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Ko Pha Ngan/Listings

See
Ko Pha-ngan (เกาะพะงัน) This popular 191-square-kilometre island is situated 20 kilometres north of Ko Samui or 100 kilometres from Surat Thani. The island, part of the Khao Luang range which rises above sea level has fertile forest, many waterfalls, powdery beaches and a peaceful atmosphere. The surrounding sea shelters many aquatic animals and coral reefs. Local communities still make their living on fishing and coconut farming.

Attractions on the island include:

 * Ban Chalok Lam – The biggest fishermen’s village on the island is a haven of fresh seafood and dried octopus. Visitors can buy services here to go diving or fishing or to have guided tours around the island.

 * Ao Si Thanu – From this tranquil sunset spot, boats take tourists to dive at Ko Ma nearby and to go around the island.

 * Hat Rin – This is popular among foreign visitors as the venue for the Full Moon Party, held on the 15the day of the waxing moon every month.

 * Thong Sala – The market near Thong Sala pier is a bustling centre of economy, transportation and tourism facilities.

 * Hat Thong Nai Pan – This semi-circle beach provides private retreat. Coral can also be admired here.

 * Wat Khao Noi – In the 9th month, local people visit this ancient temple to pay respect to the imitation Buddha’s footprint and the statue of the venerable Luang Pho Phet.

 * Namtok Than Prawet – This small charming waterfall was once visited by King Rama V.

Ko Phangan can be visited all year round but the best period is from December to April.
 * Namtok Phaeng – This waterfall originates from Khao Ra peak which offers a panoramic view around Pha-ngan.

Ko Tae Nai (เกาะแตใน) This small island can be reached within 5 minutes from Ko Pha-ngan by chartered boat. High jungle-covered hills, a long stretch of golden sandy beach and thriving coral reefs are some of its major attractions. Accommodation in the form of bungalows is available.

Sleep

 * Ko Pha-ngan (เกาะพะงัน)

 * Hat Si Thanu (อ่าวศรีธนู)
 * The Beach Resort (เดอะบีชรีสอร์ท) Hat Si Thanu, Ko Pha-ngan, 10 bungalows: 250–350 baht
 * Laem Son Beach Bungalow (แหลมสนบีชบังกะโล) Hat Si Thanu, Ko Pha-ngan, 20 rooms: 150–300 baht
 * Sea View Rainbow Bungalow (ซีวิวเรนโบว์บังกะโล) Hat Si Thanu, Ko Pha-ngan, 15 bungalows: 150–300 baht
 * Si Thanu Bungalow (ศรีธนูบังกะโล) Hat Si Thanu, Ko Pha-ngan, 30 rooms: 60-200 baht

 * Hat Yao (หาดยาว)
 * Bay View Bungalow (เบย์วิวบังกะโล) Hat Yao, Ko Pha-ngan, Tel: 0 7737 4148, 01–676 6232, 20 rooms: 150–400 baht
 * Hat Yao Beach (หาดยาวบีช) Hat Yao, Ko Pha-ngan, 17 rooms: 150–300 baht
 * Long Beach Bungalow (ลองบีชบังกะโล) Hat Yao, Ko Pha-ngan, 30 rooms: 200–700 baht
 * Silver Beach Bungalow (ซิลเวอร์บีชบังกะโล) Hat Yao, Ko Pha-ngan, 10 rooms: 100–300 baht

 * Hat Salat (หาดสลัด)
 * Hat Lat Resort (หาดลัดรีสอร์ท) Hat Yao, Ko Pha-ngan, 24 rooms: 100–500 baht
 * My Way (มายเวย์) Hat Yao, Ko Pha-ngan, Tel: 0 7737 7276, 10 rooms: 150–250 baht

 * Hat Mae Hat (แม่หาด)
 * Island View Cabana (ไอส์แลนด์วิวคาบาน่า) Hat Mae Hat, Ko Pha-ngan, Tel: 0 7737 7019, 33 rooms: 50-250 baht
 * Ko Ma Dive Resort (เกาะม้าไดฟ์รีสอร์ท) Hat Mae Hat, Ko Pha-ngan, 8 bungalows: 450 baht
 * Mae Hat Bay Resort (แม่หาดเบย์รีสอร์ท) Hat Mae Hat, Ko Pha-ngan, Tel: 0 7737 4171, 25 rooms: 150–300 baht

 * Hat Rin (หาดริ้น)
 * Crystal Palace (คริสตัลพาเลซ) Hat Rin, Ko Pha-ngan, 13 rooms: 60-250 baht
 * Sea View Hat Rin Bungalow (ซีวิวหาดริ้นบังกะโล) Hat Rin Nok, Ko Pha-ngan, 20 rooms: 100-300 baht
 * Sun Cliff Resort (ซันคลิฟรีสอร์ท) Hat Rin Nok, Ko Pha-ngan, 25 rooms: 100-200 baht
 * Sunrise (ซันไรซ์) Hat Rin Nok, Ko Pha-ngan, 24 rooms: 60-300 baht
 * Top Gold (ท็อปโกลด์) Hat Rin, Ko Pha-ngan, 12 rooms: 150-250 baht

 * Hat Thong Sala (หาดท้องศาลา)
 * Charm Beach (ชาร์ม บีช บังกะโล) Hat Thong Sala, Ko Pha-ngan, 18 rooms: 40-300 baht
 * Klet Kaeo Park (เกล็ดแก้ว ปาร์ค) Hat Thong Sala, Ko Pha-ngan,15 rooms: 450–750 baht
 * Pha-ngan Chai (พะงัน ชัย) Hat Thong Sala, Ko Pha-ngan, 59 rooms: 900-1,500 baht
 * Sun Dance Bungalow (ซัน แด๊นซ์ บังกะโล) Hat Thong Sala, Ko Pha-ngan, Tel: 0 7728 3662, 15 rooms: 50-250 baht

 * Hat Ban Tai (หาดบ้านใต้)
 * Diw Sho Bungalow (ดิว ชอร์ บังกะโล) Hat Ban Tai, Ko Pha-ngan, Tel: 0 7723 8128 Fax: 0 7737 7195, 20 rooms: 300-1,200 baht
 * First Villa (เฟิร์ส วิลล่า) Hat Ban Tai, Ko Pha-ngan, Tel: 0 7737 7225, 15 rooms: 1,200-4,000 baht

 * Hat Thong Nai Pan Noi (หาดท้องนายปานน้อย)
 * Panviman Resort (ปานวิมาน รีสอร์ท) Hat Thong Nai Pan Noi, Ko Pha-ngan, Tel: 0 7723 8543-4 Fax: 0 7723 8543 Bangkok Office Tel: 0 2910 8660-4 www.panviman.com, 42 rooms: 950-3,950 baht

 * Hat Thong Nai Pan Yai (หาดท้องนายปานใหญ่)
 * A.D. View (เอ ดี วิว) Hat Thong Nai Pan Yai, Ko Pha-ngan, 12 rooms: 150–400 baht
 * Bamboo Bungalow (แบมบู บังกะโล) Hat Thong Nai Pan Yai, Ko Pha-ngan, 8 rooms: 200 baht
 * Central Cottage (เซ็นทรัล คอทเทจ) Hat Thong Nai Pan Yai, Ko Pha-ngan, Tel: 0 7729 9059, 0 7723 8586, 22 rooms: 300-1,000 baht
 * Dolphin Bungalow (ดอลฟิล บังกะโล) Hat Thong Nai Pan Yai, Ko Pha-ngan, 21 rooms: 300 baht
 * Pen Bungalow (เพ็ญ บังกะโล) Hat Thong Nai Pan Yai, Ko Pha-ngan, 31 rooms: 150–800 baht
 * Pen Chan Resort (เพ็ญจันทร์ รีสอร์ท) Hat Thong Nai Pan Yai, Ko Pha-ngan, Tel: 0 7729 9004, 26 rooms: 300–400 baht

 * Hat Chalok Lam (หาดบ้านโฉลกหลำ)
 * Rose Villa (โรส วิลล่า) Hat Chalok Lam, Ko Pha-ngan, Tel: 0 7737 4013, 11 rooms: 300–1,00 baht

 * Hat Ban Khai (หาดบ้านค่าย)
 * Pha-ngan Rainbow Bungalow (พะงัน เรนโบว์ บังกะโล) Hat Ban Khai, Ko Pha-ngan, Tel: 0 7723 8236, 12 rooms: 80–150 baht

 * Hat Khuat (หาดขวด)
 * Hat Khuat (หาดขวด บังกะโล) Hat Khuat, Ko Pha-ngan, 45 rooms: 100–300 baht
 * Hat Khuat 3 (หาดขวด 3) Hat Khuat, Ko Pha-ngan, 8 rooms: 200 baht
 * Smile Bungalow (สมาย บังกะโล) Hat Khuat, Ko Pha-ngan, 15 rooms: 200–350 baht

 * Ko Tae Nai (เกาะแตใน) 15 minutes by boat from Ko Pha-ngan
 * Ko Tae Nai Resort (เกาะแตในรีสอร์ท) Ko Tae Nai, 9 bungalows: 450 baht

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 20:42, 6 February 2010 (EST)

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I am editing my entry, having now read the helpful guidelines, and understanding the ethos of this informative site..removing the double web link and extended description. Sabai Sabai's bar is well known in it own right so shall keep this information (WT-en) Hudge79 10:13, 29 July 2012 (EDT)

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TAT Listings
I moved *some* TAT listings clutter to Talk:Ko Phi Phi/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 09:45, 20 February 2010 (EST)

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I'm trying to add a place in the sleep section (a specific budget bungalow place - the article says they exist but needs more info on budget places, I think), but I keep getting an Invalid tag name error after I save. Does anyone know how to fix this error? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) TheCookTravels (talk • contribs)

 * I can reproduce that problem, but I'm afraid I don't see what's causing it. In the meantime, I suggest adding it semi-manually: click the "edit" link instead, scroll to the point where you would like to insert a new entry, and click the sleep template (in the box at the bottom of the page) to automatically paste it into the editor window.  From there, you should have no trouble filling in the fields by hand.  — (WT-en) D. Guillaime 01:52, 17 January 2012 (EST)

Maya Bay beach will remain closed 2 more years
This seemed like the most appropriate place to post this link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48222627 Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:26, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

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Scuba diving shops

 * Blue View Divers (www.blueviewdivers.com, Tel: +66 84848 7036)
 * Princess Divers (www.princessdivers.com)
 * Adventure Club (แอดเวนเจอร์ คลับ) Tel: 08 1895 1334
 * Barakuda Dive Center (บารากูด้า ไดฟ์ เซ็นเตอร์) Tel: 0 7560 1006
 * Harlequin Scuba (ฮาร์เลควิน สกูบา) Tel: 0 7560 1074
 * Hippo Divers (ฮิปโป ไดฟ์เวอร์ซ)
 * Island Divers (ไอร์แลนด์ ไดฟ์เวอร์)
 * MOSKITO Diving Center (www.moskitodiving.com) Tel: +66 75 601 154
 * P.P. Scuba (พีพี สกูบา) Tel: 0 7561 2665
 * Phi Phi Scuba Diving (พีพี สกูบา ไดฟ์วิ่ง)
 * Viking Divers (ไวกิ้ง ไดฟ์เวอร์) Tel: 08 1970 3644, 08 1895 8429
 * Visa Diving Center (วีซ่า ไดฟ์วิ่ง เซ็นเตอร์) Tel: 0 7560 1157

Events and Festivals
Krabi Boek Fa Andaman Festival (งานกระบี่เบิกฟ้าอันดามัน) This is annually held in November to inaugurate the province’s tourist season. Water sports competitions, cultural shows, and good-natured fun are the schedule.

Laanta Lanta Festival (เทศกาลลานตา ลันตา) The festival is usually held in March every year at the Old Community in Ko Lanta called Ban Sanga-Au, which has a very old history of more than 100 years. Ancient Chinese style houses can still be seen here. In this festival, tourists can see the traditional culture, previously unseen ceremonial demonstrations, Southern local performances, folk games, water sports competitions and enjoy the tastes from various kinds of food booths which are provided by prestigious hotels on the island.

Sat Duean Sip Festival or Festival of the Tenth Lunar Month (งานประเพณีสารทเดือนสิบ) This is the southern traditional merit making occasion to honour one's ancestors. Food offerings such as Khanom La, Khanom Chohu, Khanom Phong, Khanom Ba, and Khanom Kong or Khai Pla, are made offer to Buddhist monks.

Chak Phra Festival (งานประเพณีชักพระ) The original waterborne procession, where Buddha images are put on elaborately decorated pulpits on boats are pulled along on the river, has been replaced by a land procession. The festival was formerly accompanied with a performance of traditional boat songs. However, the traditional waterborne songs have since disappeared.

Loi Ruea Chao Le Festival (ประเพณีลอยเรือชาวเล) This old ritualistic tradition takes place on Ko Lanta during the full moon of the sixth and eleventh month in the lunar calendar. This is a religious rite performed by the sea gypsies of Ko Lanta, as well as, from other neighbouring areas, who gather on the beach near Sala Dan Village. They dance their famous "rong ngeng" round the boats of misfortune to be set adrift. Ceremonies feature singing and dancing. This festival is expected to bring prosperity and happiness to the participants.

Spa, Pharmacy, and Other Service

 * Christmas Thai Massage
 * Fatima Massage
 * Kornpuch Massage
 * Mayha Thai Massage
 * Multiple Internet Cafés
 * Numngern Thai Massage 125/24 Mu 2, Ao Nang, Koh Phi Phi, E-mail: numngernkb@yahoo.com
 * P P Pharmacy
 * Paradise Thai Massage
 * Phi Phi Andaman Massage
 * Phi Phi Father/Internet/IDD Centre
 * Phi Phi Garden Massage
 * Phi Phi Tsunami Pharmacy
 * Pom Massage
 * Tonsai Thai Massage 8 Mu 7, Ao Nang, Koh Phi Phi, Tel: 0 7563 1630 Mobile: 08 9587 1629, 08 1894 6511, E-mail: tonsaithaimassage@yahoo.com

Buy

 * Chao Koh Minimart (ชาวเกาะ มินิมาร์ท)
 * Clothes Shops (โค้ธ ช๊อป)
 * Daranee's Clothing/Gifts (ดารุณี โค้ธธิ้ง/กิฟท์)
 * J Long Clothes Shop (เจ ลอง โค๊ธ ช๊อป)
 * Kach St supermarket (คาช เซนท์ ซุปเปอร์มาร์เก็ต)
 * Kloy Jai Clothes Shop & Amenities (กลอยใจ โค้ธ ช๊อป แอนด์ อเมนิตี้ซ์)
 * Krisna Wung Leather/Clothes Shop (กฤษณา วุง ลีเทอร์/โค้ธ ช๊อป)
 * Kunstone Silver & Jewelry* (กุลสโตน ซิลเวอร์ แอนด์ จิวเวอรี่)
 * Lung Saew Supermarket (ลุงแสว ซุปเปอร์มาร์เก็ต)
 * Glass Blower (กลาส โบลวเวอร์)
 * Matika Clothing (มาติกะ โค้ธธิ้ง)
 * Minimart (มินิมาร์ท)
 * Off-License Alcohol Store (อ๊อฟ ไลเซนท์ แอลกฮอล์ สโตร์)
 * P P Art Centre (พีพี อาร์ท เซนเตอร์)
 * Pee Pee Don Chougit Supermarket (พีพี ดอน ชูกิตติ์ ซุปเปอร์มาร์เก็ต)
 * Pimpisa Clothes (พิมพิสา โค้ธ)
 * Pisit Clothing (พิสิท โค้ธ)
 * Sai Ngern Clothing (สายเงิน โค้ธธิ้ง)
 * The Beach Gifts (เดอะ บีช กิฟท์)
 * The Lovely L Shop (เดอะ เลิฟลี่ แอล ช๊อป)
 * Traisea General Store (ไตรสี เจเนอรัล สโตร์)
 * Underwater Camera (Fuji Gifts/Clothing Shop) (อันเดอร์แวร์ คาเมร่า)
 * YA Clothing (วายเอ โค้ธธิ้ง)

Eat

 * Chao Koh Restaurant/Bar & BBQ (ชาวเกาะ เรสเตอร์รอง/บาร์ แอนด์ บาร์บีคิว)
 * Chao Koh See View Restaurant (ชาวเกาะ ซีวิว เรสเตอร์รอง)
 * Cosmic Pizza House (คอสมิค พิซซ่า เฮ้าส์) Central Tonsai (Pizza)
 * Dang Dang Thai Restaurant (ดังดัง ไทย เรสเตอร์รอง)
 * Don Chugit Resort & Restaurant (ดอนชูกิตติ์ รีสอร์ท แอนด์ เรสเตอร์รอง)
 * Garden Home Restaurant (การ์เด้นท์ โฮม เรสเตอร์รอง)
 * H.C. Andersen Restaurant (เอช.ซี. แอนเดอร์เซน เรสเตอร์รอง) Central Tonsai (International food)
 * Hippies BBQ Restaurant (ฮิปปี้ซ์ บาร์บีคิว เรสเตอร์รอง)
 * Kaimuk Restaurant (ไข่มุก เรสเตอร์รอง)
 * Madam Resto Restaurant (มาดาม เรสโต้ เรสเตอร์รอง) Central Tonsai
 * Oasis Restaurant (โอเอซิส เรสเตอร์รอง)
 * Panda Restaurant (แพนด้า เรสเตอร์รอง)*
 * Papaya Restaurant (พาพาย่า เรสเตอร์รอง)
 * Pee Pee Bakery (พี พี เรสเตอร์รอง) Central Tonsai (Bekery)
 * Pum Restaurant (ปุ้มเรสเตอร์รอง) Central Tonsia (Thai food)
 * Restaurant - Thai food (เรสเตอร์รอง-ไทยฟู้ด)
 * Roti /Pancake Stalls (โรตี แพนเค้ก สตอลซ์)
 * Sakana Japanese Restaurant (ซากานะ เจแปนนิส เรสเตอร์รอง)
 * Siam Garden Kitchen Restaurant (สยาม การ์เด้นท์ คิชเช่น เรสเตอร์รอง)
 * Thai Restaurant (ไทย เรสเตอร์รอง)
 * The Monsoon's Dream Restaurant (เดอะ มันซูนซ์ ดรีม เรสเตอร์รอง)
 * Tonsai Seafood Restaurant (ต้นไทร ซีฟู้ด เรสเตอร์รอง) main street, Central Tonsai
 * Took BBQ & Minimart (ตุ๊ก บาร์บีคิว แอนด์ มินิมาร์ท)
 * Top Ten Burger (ท๊อป เทน เบอร์เกอร์)
 * Wood House Drink & Food (วู้ด เฮ้าส์ ดริ้งค์ แอนด์ ฟู้ด)

Ton Sai Village

 * Phi Phi Banyan Villa, just renovated with more luxury located near Tonsai Beach with swimming pool and a restaurant by the sea.
 * Phitharom PP Resort (พิธธารมย์ พีพี รีสอร์ท) Mu 7, Lo Dalam Bay, Ao Nang, Koh Phi Phi, 28 rooms
 * PP Andaman Legacy พีพี อันดามันลีกาซี รีสอร์ท) 1/2 Moo 7  Phi Phi Island -Ao Nang, Koh Phi Phi, rate: 2500-8500 Thai Baht
 * Andaman Beach Resort (อันดามัน บีช รีสอร์ท) 65 Mu 7, Tel: 075-621427,075601074Fax: 0 7560 1078 Mobile: 08 1895 7217, Email: rooms@andamanbeachresort.com, 62 rooms: 850-5,650 baht
 * Banyan Villa (บันยัน วิลล่า) 129 Moo 7, 62 rooms: 1,700-3,300 baht
 * Bay View Resort (เบย์ วิว รีสอร์ท) 69 Mu 7, Tel:075-618196,075-601126, 70 rooms: 1,200-4,000 baht
 * Chao Koh Phi Phi Lodge (ชาวเกาะ พี พี ลอดจ์) 157 Mu 7, 47 rooms: 900-5,200 baht Tel:+662-6730966,+662-2119654, +662-6733322 Fax:+662-2119656
 * Garden Inn Bungalow (การ์เด้นท์ อินน์ บังกาโล) 161 Mu 7, Tel: 0 7560 1071 Mobile: 08 9651 7194, E-mail: info@gardeninnbungalow.com, 9 rooms: 400-1,300 baht
 * Phi Phi Island Cabana (พีพี ไอร์แลนด์ คาบาน่า) 58 Mu 7, Ao Nang, Koh Phi Phi

Long Beach

 * Araya Buri Resort (อารยา บุรี รีสอร์ท) Tel: 0 7562 1223 Fax: 0 7561 8195, 38 rooms: 1,600-4,400 baht
 * Paradise Pearl Resort (พาราไดซ์ เพิร์ล รีสอร์ท) 138 Mu 7, Tambon Ao Nang, Tel: 0 7562 2100 Fax: 0 7561 8050, 50 rooms: 400-900 baht
 * P P Long Beach (พีพี ลอง บีช) Tel: 0 7561 2217, 88 rooms: 400-800 baht
 * Phi Phi The Beach Resort (พีพี เดอะ บีช รีสอร์ท) Tel: 08 6120 2112, 17 rooms: 1,500-3,200 baht

Ao Lo Ba Kao (อ่าวโละบาเกา)

 * Phi Phi Island Village (พี พี ไอร์แลนด์ วิลเลจ) 49 Mu 8, Tambon Ao Nang, Tel: 0 7562 8900, 0 7561 2915, Fax: 0 7562 8955, Phuket Office Tel: 0 7621 5014, 0 7622 2784, Bangkok Office Tel:  0 2541 5722 – 4,  Fax: 0 2541 5394,  104 rooms: 3,900 – 27,000 baht

Sea Gypsy Bay (Laem Thong)

 * Holiday Inn Phi Phi Island (ฮอลิเดย์ อินน์ พีพี ไอร์แลนด์) 54 Mu 8, Tambon Ao Nang, Tel: 0 7562 1334, Fax: 0 7562 7397, 77 rooms: 2,500-5,000 baht
 * P. P. Erawan Palm Resort (พี พี เอราวัณ ปาล์ม รีสอร์ท) 45/9 Mu 9, Tambon Ao Nang, Tel: 0 7562 7500 – 23, Fax: 0 7562 7524, 20 rooms: 3,800 – 8,000 baht.
 * Phi Phi Natural Resort (พีพี เนเชอรัล รีสอร์ท) Tel: 0 7561 3010-1 Fax: 0 7561 3000, 70 rooms: 1,235-10,590 baht
 * Zeavola Resort (ซีโวล่า รีสอร์ท) 111 Mu 8 Tel: 0 7562 7000 Fax: 0 7562 7023, E-mail: reservation@zeavola.com

Ao Lo Da Lam (อ่าวโละดาลัม)

 * Kinnaree House (กินรี เฮาส์) 125/84 Mu 7, Tambon Ao Nang, Tel: 08 1854 5187, 08 1899 1691, 0 7560 1139, Fax: 0 7560 1138, 20 rooms: 1,200 – 2,400 baht.
 * Phi Phi View Point (พี พี วิว พอยท์) 107 Mu 7, Tambon Ao Nang, Tel/Fax: 0 7562 2351, 0 7561 8111 – 2,  50 rooms: 800 – 5,400 baht.
 * PP Casita Resort 129 Moo 7 T.Aonang A.Muang Krabi 81000
 * Tara Inn (ธารา อินน์) 121 Mu 7, Tambon Ao Nang, Tel: 0 7561 2402, 12 rooms: 200 – 1,800 baht.
 * Tropical Garden Bungalow (ทรอปิคอล การ์เดน บังกะโล) 18/1 Mu 7, Tambon Ao Nang, Tel: 08 9729 1436, 08 1968 1436, Fax: 0 7560 1024, 28 rooms: 450 – 1,600 baht.
 * PP Palm Tree, 129 Moo 7 T.Aonang A.Muang Krabi 81000

Hat Phak Nam (หาดผักหนาม)

 * [Phi Phi Relax Beach Resort (พี พี รีแลกซ์ บีช รีสอร์ท) Mu 8, Tambon Ao Nang, Tel: 0894756536 – 4, 08 1083 0194,  47 bungalows: 900 – 1700 baht.

Hat Laem Hin (หาดแหลมหิน)

 * Bay View Resort (เบย์วิว รีสอร์ท) 69 Mu 7, Tambon Ao Nang, Tel: 0 7562 1223, 0 7561 8196, 0 7560 1127 – 8, 08 1892 7510, Fax: 0 7561 8195, Phuket Office Tel: 0 7628 1362 – 4, 110 rooms: 1,600 – 5,590 baht.

Bakhao Bay

 * Phi Phi Island Village (พีพี ไอร์แลนด์ วิลเลจ) Tel: 0 7681 5014, 0 7622 2784 Fax: 0 7621 4918, 104 rooms: 3,720-12,000 baht

Phak Nam Bay
Http://www.phiphirelaxbeach.com
 * Phi Phi Relax Beach Resort (พีพี รีแลกซ์ บีช รีสอร์ท) Tel: 08 94756536, 47 bungalows: 900-1,700 baht

Other

 * P.P Casita Resort (พีพี คาสิตา รีสอร์ท) 129 Mu 7, Ao Nang, Koh Phi Phi,

Contact
Nationwide television, cable TVs, local cable TV channels are available in Krabi province especially in tourist spots. International newspapers and magazines are available at some bookstores in downtown and tourist spots.

Landline telephones, satellite phones, all mobile phone systems, high-speed internet (ADSL), post offices and parcel services are available in some parts of Ko Phi Phi.

Local Tips
The best time to visit Ko Phi Phi is between the months November to April when the area’s climate is less hot than usual. During this period the island gets a lot of dry North Easterly winds, so giving dry blue skies and starry nights. Then, down on the beaches one can enjoy nice sea breezes. From May to October the area gets a lot of rainfall, more on average than the rest of the country. During this period the island gets a lot of moist South Westerly winds, so giving a mixture of dry days and wet ones. The sea stays at a warm 29°C all year round. Visitors however, coming in this period will find it cheaper.

Do's
 * Do make sure that any boat you take has enough life-jackets for everyone on board.
 * Do bargain the price of the room in the low season.
 * Do bargain with vendors.
 * Do be careful of over-charging drivers.
 * Do carry around small change.
 * Do try the local seafood.
 * Do, if you hire a motorbike, make sure the owners have a trustworthy reputation.
 * Do, if you go canoeing in the mangroves, go with a friend.
 * Do make sure your scuba diving instructor is fully accredited.

Don’ts
 * Don’t take any boat unless it has life jackets.
 * Don’t go into the jungle alone.
 * Don’t go to the beach at night either to walk or swim.
 * Don’t get involved with any narcotics.
 * Don’t, as a woman, go topless on the beach.
 * Don’t, as a man, walk around shirtless, other than at the beach.
 * Don’t drink the tap water.

Itineraries
Phi Phi 3 Days / 2 Nights
 * Day 1 Leave for Phi Phi Don in the morning from either Phuket or Krabi. Enjoy the afternoon sunbathing and swimming on Tonsai Bay. In the evening, enjoy a seafood dinner.
 * Day 2 Take a long-tail boat to Phi Phi Ley and go snorkeling. In the afternoon try some rock climbing and take long-tail boat ride around the island. In the evening have a cocktail and dance in one of the boats.
 * Day 3 In the morning, go kayaking before doing a bit more sunbathing. In the afternoon, take the boat back.

Tour & activity operators

 * Andaman Legacy Tours (อันดามัน ลีกาซี่ ทัวร์)
 * Chao Koh Phi Phi Tours & Internet Branch 1 (ชาวเกาะ พีพี ทัวร์ แอนด์ อินเตอร์เน็ต บรานช์1) Tel: 0 7561 1313
 * Chao Koh Travel Center (ชาวเกาะ ทราเวล เซ็นเตอร์) Tel: 0 7563 0290, 0 7563 0129
 * Harmony Tour 3 (ฮาร์โมนี่ ทัวร์3) Tel: 0 7561 2406
 * Infinity Tour (อินฟินิตี้ ทัวร์) Tel: 0 7561 2548
 * K E Hang Out Climbing (เค อี แฮงค์ เอ้าท์ คลัมบิ้ง) Tel: 0 7979 2642
 * Krabi P.P. Don Tour (กระบี่ พีพี ดอน ทัวร์)*
 * PeePee Siam Travel & Tour (พีพี สยาม ทราเวล แอนด์ ทัวร์)
 * Phi Phi Paragon Travel & Tour (พีพี พารากอน ทราเวล แอนด์ ทัวร์)
 * Phi Phi Tour 1998 (พีพี ทัวร์ 1998)*
 * Siam UK Travel & Tours (สยาม ยูเค ทราเวล แอนด์ ทัวร์) Tel: 0 7561 2260*
 * Sun Smile Tours (ซัน สมาย ทัวร์)
 * Thai Travel Zone (ไทร ทราเวล โซน)
 * Wild Kingdom Tours Co. Ltd. (บริษัท ไวลด์ คิงดัม ทัวร์) Tel: +66(0)76 296 231

Cope
The area code for Ko Phi Phi is 075
 * Tourist Information Office		 	622163
 * Krabi International Airport                            636541 - 2
 * Thai Airway (Krabi Offie) 			701591 - 93
 * Tourist Police					 637208
 * Customs Office:				611350
 * Post and Telegraph Office:			611050
 * Provincial Land Office:			620573
 * Provincial Forest Office:			611396
 * Fire Brigade:					611111
 * Immigration Office:				611097
 * Provincial Administration Centre:		611825
 * Provincial Police Station:			611222, 611177

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:20, 20 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Ko Racha

TAT listings
Some sleep listings from TAT that cluttered the page:

 * Ban Raya (บ้านรายา) Office: 7/26 Ratsadanuson Road, 38 rooms: 1,500-7,000 baht
 * Jungle Bungalow (จังเกิ้ล บังกะโล) 12/5 Mu 4, Tambon Rawai (Tel: 0 7628 8550), 10 rooms: 500-700 baht
 * Bungalow Raya, budget room rate: 1500-1800 baht
 * Raya Father Resort (รายา ฟาเธอร์ รีสอร์ท) 27/1 Mu 1, Chao Fa Road (Tel: 08 1893 4430), 10 rooms: 700 baht
 * Raya Resort (รายารีสอร์ท) 30/4 Mu 5, Tambon Rawai (Tel: 0 7628 8271), 18 rooms: 900-1,200 baht
 * The Racha (เดอะ ราชา) PO.Box 213 Amphoe Mueang (Tel: 0 7635 5455, 0 7635 5414), 71 rooms: 18,000-23,000 baht

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 22:19, 15 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Koramangala

This Page was redirected to Bangalore, while deleting all the information.. Maybe a better approach would be to improve the article or write a better one. (WT-en) Priyadarshic 01:55, 25 May 2012 (EDT)

 * I suspect it was redirected because the article looks like it should be part of Bangalore. Usually we have one article per city, so if Koramangala is a neighbourhood or part of Bangalore, the information on this page should be copied into the Bangalore article (and this page redirected to Bangalore).
 * The exception to this rule is a huge city, where we have multiple pages (districts) for the city. If you think Bangalore is big enough to be a huge city with districts, then review our guidelines about districts and start a discussion on Talk:Bangalore to see if others in the community agree and to determine what the districts should be. - (WT-en) Shaund 01:44, 26 May 2012 (EDT)

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Talk:Korçë

Where to add http://visit-korca.com? (WT-en) Rbakels 07:45, 23 September 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Korean phrasebook

Please use Revised Romanization for entering the phonetics. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:04, 8 Sep 2005 (EDT)

 * Pretty pretty please? (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:51, 28 January 2007 (EST)

Pieces of eight
I see the ordinal "eight" is transcribed as yeuldeul. Does this not mean twelve; is eight not correctly transcribed "yatop"? 198.103.104.12 06:44, 4 March 2007 (EST)

 * Is not fixing it what you should not be abstaining from doing? (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:31, 4 March 2007 (EST)
 * Cute. Since I don't speak Korean I figured I'd defer to the status quo; surely the person who put it there thought they understood the language well enough to say. 202.86.18.178 10:56, 5 March 2007 (EST)
 * Eight in Korean is yeodeolb (pronouced yeodeol). Twelve is yeoldul. I'll get to editing it later, but I would appreciate it if someone would do it before me.96.248.8.211 17:27, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

Request
The romanization of Korean in this article is totally messed up. As a native Korean who lives in America, I will try to do my best to fix the numerous mistakes, but if you can help too, then it would be grateful. Thank you. 74.68.36.212

Formality
This article uses a very formal tone of speech. The very formal endings not only make Korean harder to learn, but don't really reflect how people speak. The Korean my friends have taught me is polite, but not formal (eg "cheoncheonhi malhae juseyo" instead of "cheoncheonhi malhae jusipsio", or "hwajangsil eodi-seoyo" instead of "hwajangsil eodi-aeisseumnikka").

I suggest revising the article to reflect ordinary speech wherever possible, though I would, of course, defer to those who are more knowledgeable. 222.251.202.242 05:26, 10 February 2009 (EST)
 * In general the "-seumnida" register is perfectly acceptable, and is actually preferable in many situations, especially in the "Authorities" section at the bottom. In the worst case scenario people will just think you're over-polite. (Also I don't see why it makes it "harder to learn" -- this is a list of phrases for rote learning so it makes no difference either way, and if you want to learn Korean at any level deeper than this you'd better believe you'll have to learn this register whether you like it or not.) --131.111.184.8 15:14, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

Example on syllables
I disagree with the following: [For example, any English word ending in "t" will be pronounced as teu (트) in Korean, eg. Baeteumaen (배트맨) for "Batman".]

Counterexample: 인터넷 (internet) ; which is leading (I think) to some interesting phonetic liaison examples (eg: with subject particle 인터넷이 pronounced like inteoneshi, not like inteoneti).

However I'm neither English nor Korean native speaker. Can anyone with a better expertise confirm (or infirm) and rephrase (if necessary)?

-- —The preceding comment was added by 86.76.195.38 (talk • contribs)

Not consistently transcribed?
There is a template in the guide stating that this is not consistently transcribed to the correct rules.

Reading through them myself and checking a few with the online tool I can't actually see any problems.

I don't really want to check every single phrase with the online tool, so could someone else also please have a look?

Thanks! Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:52, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

 * I didn't find any problems either at a quick look. I have quite a bunch of other articles to work on right now, so a thorough look inspection may have to wait for even a month. One thing I've already noticed earlier are that some sentences are in -mnida and others in -yo form. Also, my Korean is limited to less than 100 words and expressions (some of them learned from this very phrasebook), so I cannot help with the accuracy of the content in practice, which would be useful if we'd eventually would like to make a Featured Travel Topic of it sometime next year. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:08, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Korsakov

I roled back a change where a direct link to the (sole and only) ferry operator on the Wakkanai - Korsakov service, was removed - apparently since it was in violation with the external link guidelines. After reading through them thoroughly i don't see anything in those guidelines, that this link violates.

However I'm not a bigot, and willing to listen to more experienced users - so please post here if you have any counter arguments.

- Stefan

 * I think that link deletion was just a mistake. The ferry operator link is definitely allowed (and desired) per our external links policy. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:12, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

 * Sorry, Stefan, that was my error I guess. It looks good to me, too. (WT-en) Morph 15:36, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Ko Samet

I think we should have an article for each beach, since they're kind of small towns. --(WT-en) Evan 11:35, 13 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Inter-village Songthaew from Bus Terminal to Ban Phae
The inter-village songthaew from the in-town bus terminal out to Ban Phae is not based on a pickup truck. It is more like a troop transport or a dump truck. 202.142.210.188 03:43, 27 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * Plunge forward. -- (WT-en) Colin 04:43, 27 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * I'm just noting it for whoever is maintaining this page now. Frankly, I've given up on Wikivoyage because the admins (in my opinion) are a little too zealous in their editing e.g. clearing external links at the drop of a hat. In this case I originally had an link to the Wikipedia page on Songthaews, which has a picture of the inter-village style of songthaew. Whoever edited it away must have missed the distinction but somehow I'd still feel responsible if anyone goes out there and wastes an hour looking for a pickup truck. (WT-en) Ewlyahoocom 09:01, 2 Sep 2005 (EDT)

 * Sorry you had some problems with extlink stuff; see Project:external links for info on what kind of links we want and why. Sounds like you ran into a Wikipedia link problem; see Project:links to Wikipedia for how we usually make those. If you don't like the policies on extlinks and Wikipedia links, please give us your opinion on those talk pages.

 * I think that not just administrators, but everybody, should try to edit articles so they conform to the manual of style. That way we get better, more consistent guides throughout the site. If you don't think that's a good idea, well, please let us know why. It could make Wikivoyage a better site overall.

 * Anyhow, I've changed the word "pickup truck" to "open-back truck". Feel free to make it "dump truck" or "troop transport" or whatever you think is more appropriate. Last time I was on Koh Samet, it was a real pickup truck. --(WT-en) Evan 16:04, 2 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Environment
I reverted the addition of the following paragraph:

 * Environment It is unfortunate that trash can be found nearly everywhere on this island. It is not recommended that you walk barefoot on the beach because of all the broken glass. And please don't accidentally swallow the sea water as few resorts treat their sewage and the sewage runs straight into the ocean via little creeks. In case you wonder about the smell, this is what it is.

This gives the impression that if you go to Ko Samet you won't see anyone walking barefoot, that the sea is full of raw sewage, and that the beaches have an unpleasant smell, which is completely untrue. It's an extremely popular destination so for sure it's never going to be litter-free, but this is unremarkable compared with other popular destinations. ~ 203.147.0.48 11:47, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

TAT Listings
Placed some listings of TAT at Talk:Ko Samet/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 23:31, 2 February 2010 (EST)

Environment:

I have walked all over the island in 9 days and found it extremely dirty and full of garbage everywhere. In the middle of the island is a large place where all types of garbage are exposed and burned (it looked like "smoky mountains" in Manila), it is a shame and one wonders why the tourists have to pay 200 Bath entry fee to this so called National Park. The big majority of tourists, Thais and foreigners alike, just stay at the beaches and don't care about the rest of the island. However, everything has to be imported from the mainland and therefore the environement is suffering severely and the prices for everthing are rather high. This island is unfortunately completely overloaded with hotels, restaurants and shops, it has not the size to accomodate so many infrastructures and the authorities seem unable and probably unwilling to protect and preserve the environment and natural beauty of the place. Niki, March 2010

Trouble Editing
I tried editing the beach info (to remove obvious advertising and explaining the fireshow) but after I click save, it reverts back to the old one. What am I doing wrong?

FYI, this is what I see as obvious advertising. ''A fireshow at the renowned Ploy Thalee Restaurant/Bar on Saikaew Beach. They are held twice a night around 8.30PM and 10.30PM.'' The kids that do the show walk up and down the beach and can be seen from any restaurant.

My updates are now visible. Thanks Mods.

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