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OK, some explanations: (WT-en) DhDh 12:28, 25 Nov 2003 (PST)
 * For easy editing I regrouped the code and text in different blocks. I think this is much easier to edit than the actual main page. (Sorry to say, but the indentations are horrible and confusing.)
 * I got rid of the big destinations column. It was only a list of countries grouped by continent, and to me it had no particular value. If country articles do get better than the CIA stuff we can move them under Selected articles - New destinations.
 * I moved the Community column up to a more prominent place and expanded the subsections. This is handier for newcomers.
 * I changed "Featured articles" into "Selected articles". I think we "feature" over 700 articles, but only a few are "selected" here.
 * I changed the layout of the subsections. They are like this: followed by articles on the same line. This way the length of the page is shorter and less scrolling is needed.
 * I changed "Hot topics" into "Specific topics". I couldn't figure out what was so hot about these articles. I'm pretty sure there must be a better term yet.
 * I'll try to play around with the colours (especially "Community") to make it a bit softer.

 * Ummm... I think "featured" means "highlighted" here. I'm not sure the blandification of the language is necessary. A "hot topic" is just a featured travel topic. Do you just want to call them "Travel Topics"? Topic is such a wide-open word. Otherwise, this looks great to me. -- (WT-en) Evan 13:38, 25 Nov 2003 (PST)

No problem with feature (I looked it up in a dictionary :-) I didn't like "Hot topics" because I thought it wasn't "specific" enough, but I don't really like "Specific topics" either. "Travel topics" is better -- or what about "Travel themes"? Oh, and I was thinking about renaming "News": what do you think about "Logbook"? (WT-en) DhDh 14:02, 25 Nov 2003 (PST)

I think we should we set a date & time to move this page to the actual Main Page?. What do you think about Friday 6 December 2003 at 8PM UTC -- or is that too soon? (WT-en) DhDh 11:38, 27 Nov 2003 (PST)

 * Well, I have one last comment. This page looks an awful lot like the Wikipedia Main Page. Is that really what we want? -- (WT-en) Evan 13:35, 27 Nov 2003 (PST)

AFAIC the answer is: no, not really. The problem is, I don't have enough imagination right now to make it different :-) I'll have a look at other websites (taking the TourBus) to get more ideas. And perhaps 6 December is too soon. (WT-en) DhDh 13:59, 27 Nov 2003 (PST)

 * Oh, I don't think that's necessary! I think maybe just changing the colors so they're not exactly the same might do it to differentiate. Sound fair? -- (WT-en) Evan 15:10, 27 Nov 2003 (PST)

OK, I'll play with them a bit more to see what I can come up with. Maybe I'll enter a few proposals, so we have a choice. BTW, do you agree with 6 December or not? (WT-en) DhDh 22:36, 27 Nov 2003 (PST)

 * Actually, I think this should go up right away. Let's just do it now! -- (WT-en) Evan 10:27, 28 Nov 2003 (PST)

Done!!! (WT-en) DhDh 12:37, 28 Nov 2003 (PST)

Well, I experimented a bit to get to the format Evan proposed. The idea was to place the continents close to their actual place on a standard map (North America in the upper left corner, ..., Australasia in the lower right corner). That resulted in 3 columns. But this created a problem for the islands and the list of countries: these are the only 2 items left and it creates too much empty space. Anyone has an idea how to resolve that?

I'd like to continue in more or less the same style, but there might be other problems. I don't think there will be any new continents over the next few years :-) -- they're pretty stable. But the other items (phrasebooks, itineraries, travel topics) will probably be expanded: other expeditions will spring up in the future. So, if we want to keep a fixed number of columns, how are we going to resolve that?

Both parts in the "Wikivoyage" section will probably be quite stable too. The first part has 6 items, which can also be placed in 3 columns. If we keep the last 3 entries in the logbook, these can be made to fit in 3 columns instead of rows.

Any answers, ideas or other ways to approach the problems? (WT-en) DhDh 14:19, 2 Dec 2003 (PST)

 * First off, I like the way this looks -- a lot! I'm coming up blank on how to fill in the big spaces that finish out the columns, though... that big hole in the middle of the main page looks really weird.

 * Another thing: Maj and I talked about taking out the "Guide" table, so it's just, y'know, all there. I tried it to see what folks thought: feel free to revert if it looks too weird.

 * Otherwise: looking great! We need to clear up some of that dead space, but otherwise good to go.

 * Oh, here's an idea: combine "The Rest" with "Islands" (since that's really kinda what "Islands" is about -- things that don't fall easily on a continent). Combine "Itineraries" and "travel themes", and keep phrasebooks. That would make three things on the bottom row. I know, it doesn't keep things separate by geography vs. not-geography, but. --(WT-en) Evan 09:38, 3 Dec 2003 (PST)

I just had to put the "Guide" table back in -- the section looked so orphaned without it :-( I did like the idea of combining things into "Other Destinations" and "Travel Topics" (I'm not sure if it should be themes or topics). One more question: what do we do if another item springs up besides phrasebooks, etc.? We could go on combining -- or we could just leave it until we get there... (WT-en) DhDh 12:26, 3 Dec 2003 (PST)

Just one other thing: the colours I've kept don't really combine well. I'm not too good with colours, so I had a look at this site. It might help to make our Main Page visually attractive. (WT-en) DhDh 12:42, 3 Dec 2003 (PST)

Just to be clear, for those who saw this page pop up in the Protection log: it was a slip of the mouse, totally an accident. I wasn't trying to shut down discussion about the Main Page, that's for sure! Sorry for the mixup. --(WT-en) Evan 10:08, 3 Dec 2003 (PST)

So, I'd like to roll this out in the next 24 hours or so. Any objections? It's been inactive for a few days, so I think we're kinda settling. --(WT-en) Evan 20:03, 9 Dec 2003 (PST)

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Travel news
How about adding a logbook-style "Travel news" section to the Main Page? The tsunamis that just flattened large parts of Sri Lanka, Phuket and the Maldives would be one example of possible content... (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:04, 27 Dec 2004 (EST)

 * I think that this is a great idea.... Probably just a summary on the Main Page, leading to a more detailed page or pages.... (WT-en) Pjamescowie 09:30, 27 Dec 2004 (EST)

So, inspired by events in south-east and south Asia, I just kicked off the Travel news page(s), linking directly from the Main Page. I realise that this is quite an audacious move, given the lack of discussion, but I hope everyone will bear with me and get behind this.... I have created only one article so far, with the beginning of a headline and date(s) structure, but the formatting and organisation of the News page(s) are, of course, completely open to discussion and experiment..... Let's make it happen!(WT-en) Pjamescowie 15:13, 28 Dec 2004 (EST)

 * At first glance I thought this would be a pretty good idea, but as I thought more about it, I liked it less and less. It seems to fall outside our goals of creating a travel guide, and more than that, it seems like at most it would be almost entirely made up of compilation from other news sources.  If there actually is someone on the ground who wants to play reporter, there are more appropriate outlets like blogs or the independant media.

 * Mention of recent disasters is appropriate in the context of the destination guide, especially as it relates to health and staying safe, as well as finding out what tourist services are still operational, but news stories in general aren't so much appropriate for a travel guide.
 * --(WT-en) Neil 15:46, 31 Dec 2004 (EST)

 * I quite like the idea, mainly because it could be used for linking. For example, Aceh, Sumatra, Ko Phi Phi, Phuket and many other destinations could use a warning box now suggesting that travellers confirm local conditions before visiting after the tsunami which links to a little bit more news from the travel news section. (WT-en) Hypatia 23:33, 1 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * Use Today's log for it maybe. -- 212.202.50.86 15:24, 3 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * Not sure if this was a good idea or not, but I added another row to the table to handle travel news.  If you don't like it, then I think that we should change it so that each news story has an article, so that there is something we can put underneath the header.

 * -(WT-en) Neil 05:37, 6 Feb 2005 (EST)

 * Me like. Takes up quite a lot of space though, a more space-efficient format might be nice.   Do we really need the "Wikivoyage Guide" etc headings, complete with honking big HRs? (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:17, 6 Feb 2005 (EST)

 * Yep, I like it as well. As (WT-en) Jpatokal observed, perhaps a more space-efficient format could be devised - this is something with which we can experiment! (WT-en) Pjamescowie 09:13, 6 Feb 2005 (EST)

 * I think it looks good, but I really think we need to split up the page into three new pages -- Main Page, Project:Logbook for news, and Project:Main Page (or something similar) for the project info. --(WT-en) Evan 13:12, 6 Feb 2005 (EST)

 * I'm not sure about that. I kind of like having all the information on one page (especially having project links on the same page as the main guide...I think it helps make it seem more open and welcoming... I'm not very good at page design though, and if someone has suggestions on how to have all three while still slimming down the page it would be great.

 * Overall, though, I think that by having several tables, it creates sufficient division between the sections that the page itself doesn't seem too cluttered. --(WT-en) Neil 15:14, 6 Feb 2005 (EST)

 * Don't know if you will like it, but I made some attempts to compact space used, with the same amount of information. See it here: User:(WT-en) JanSlupski/Projects/Main_Page. Or, as I'm still changing it better look at: ver3, ver2, ver1, initial. -- (WT-en) JanSlupski 18:14, 6 Feb 2005 (EST)

 * These I don't like so much — the guide is the by far the most important thing on WT and should be much more prominent. Also, use of so different many colors looks unprofessional.

 * I think the three-box format (guide, news, site) is basically OK, and it would be enough to just squeeze out the empty space. I don't like Evan's three-page suggestion, since the front page should be a portal to all of the rest of site.  Nobody is going to seek out the travel news, at least the headlines should be visible on the front page. (WT-en) Jpatokal 20:41, 6 Feb 2005 (EST)

Bad News
Hi all... I'm starting to wonder if we should maybe suspend the travel news section of the Main Page for a while, until somebody really really wants it back. It was a great idea, but sadly we just don't seem to have the resources to keep it current. As it is most of the stuff we're publishing as travel news is widely available from other sources. What do you all think? -- (WT-en) Mark 04:02, 14 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * Mm. I'd like to see more emphasis on travel news that don't make the headlines: new airports and airlines, major festivals and events starting or ending, that sort of thing. This is still useful and not all that time-critical (eg. if there's a new airport open, it'll probably stay open). (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:22, 14 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * Yes! That would be terrific!  I'm afraid though that it looks like we don't have enough up-to-the-minute info gatherers to keep the news up-to-date at least for now.  Again, I still think it's a great idea but it just doesn't seem to be working out for now. -- (WT-en) Mark 01:22, 15 Aug 2005 (EDT)

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Hi recently i went to mainpat. wud I wud like to suggest you regardin stay at Mainpat.There's a beautiful Tourism resort coming up at Mainpat cam 1 which will soon be starting in sept 2012. I request you to kindly let people know about the rates at this Mercury resort ( tented ) ex. food,bewerages etc and esspecially if the ac tent is taken wht are the electricity conditions. I guess its way expensive .This was my duty to let you and everyone know everything about Mainpat.

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Talk:Makarska

External link
Source of info to add to article:
 * Info and accommodation in Makarska riviera

Taxi company edit wars
Could someone who knows please post objective information about taxis in Makarska? I don't like this company advertising, then that one. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 01:48, 13 August 2011 (EDT)

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The "get safe" page looks more like an advertisement for a resort. Needs to be fixed. —The preceding comment was added by 167.127.218.64 (talk • contribs) at 04:22, 6 May 2011

Regions
I cannot create Malappuram and Manjeri pages are they get redirected to Malabar regional page. Please help. Prof tpms (talk) 09:29, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Please lay out your plans for subdividing Malabar into smaller regions. For example, please name the regions, please indicate how many "Cities" and "Other destinations" you envision for each region with genuinely substantive articles (not just "City X is in Region Name"), and why you think it's important to do this. Please note that we do not have or envision articles about every district, county, township, etc., but only when that will help the traveller. I can see why it probably makes sense to subdivide Malabar into lower-level regions, but please lay out your proposal, so that we can have a discussion involving more than two people. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:39, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Prof tpms, if you were thinking of creating district articles, yes, follow what Ikan said above. On the other hand, I assumed you were just talking about making city articles; Malappuram and Manjeri both have around 100,000 people each, so that seems plausible. If that is the case, just notice that when you go to Malappuram, for example, it takes you to Malabar but at the top of the page it says "Redirected from Malappuram". Clicking there will take you to the unredirected page, and if you edit it, you can remove the redirect tag and start the article. Texugo (talk) 11:48, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I will do that Ikan Kekek Prof tpms (talk) 04:02, 7 May 2015 (UTC) I understand, Thank you Texugo Prof tpms (talk) 04:02, 7 May 2015 (UTC) We need the following places to be included in Malabar as they are all prominent Municipalities recognized by the government of Kerala:

Malappuaram District

Edavannappara Ponnani Nilambur Valanchery Parappanangadi Tanur Tirurangadi

Kozhikode District

Elathur Cheruvannur Mukkam Koduvally Payyoli Mavoor

Kannur District

Koothuparamba Mattannur Sreekandapuram

Kasaragod District

Nileshwaram Prof tpms (talk) 04:39, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Those are the total number of municipalities without articles, right? What's the total number of municipalities there would be articles about, for each district? Also, is there enough content for the resulting articles to be really useful to potential visitors? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:23, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, these additions will give a total of Four articles for Kasaragod 12 articles for Kannur. You can remove Chalode, Kurumathur and Muzhakkunnu as they are not big places. 12 articles for Kozhikode 15 articles for Malappuram. Prof tpms (talk) 06:00, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Ikan, you know that the word 'district' is used differently in India. Indian districts are big as provinces of many foreign countries. Prof tpms (talk) 06:02, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Indeed I'm aware of that. It seems like it does make sense for each district to have its own article. What do you think User:Texugo? Anyone else? Let's wait for a couple of days at least to see whether we can achieve a consensus. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:35, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Prof tpms, by all means, go ahead and create the municipality articles, because you've been doing good about putting content in your newly created articles and not just creating empty skeletons, so thank you for that. As for district articles, well yeah, it looks to be about time for that I suppose. I hope that if we add district-level articles, you'll continue to help us not have them as empty skeletons with little more than a city list. Since you know the area, perhaps you'll be able to help craft some decent summaries and See/Do sections for them at least, to give readers an idea of the different flavor of each. Otherwise it would just be a more complicated and less friendly way of presenting the same city lists we already have in this article right now. Texugo (talk) 12:05, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you User: Texugo Prof tpms (talk) 12:57, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

District articles will certainly help to put several entries in one place. We will still need to retain destination articles because no one wants all the clutter when you are seriously packing just before the flight. Prof tpms (talk) 13:00, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Well yeah, Prof tpms, I wasn't suggesting having district articles instead of destination articles. I just hope that if we make district articles, you can help us make them into useful articles in their own right, and not just mostly empty containers for organizational purposes only (as is sadly the case with so many existing region articles across the site). Texugo (talk) 13:43, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

User:Texugo Yes, Texugo, I will fill the district articles with different kind of material containing a comprehensive view of the district rather than a simple compilation of existing material. Prof tpms (talk) 03:42, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

 * I think you should feel free to go ahead and start work on this. It doesn't look like anyone will object. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:18, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

User: Ikan Kekek Thanks Ikan. Is it possible to change the name Mangattuparamba to Parassinikkadavu as all the attractions are in the latter place. The former is the of the bus stop only. Prof tpms (talk) 05:34, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure. I can take care of that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:44, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Ikan. Prof tpms (talk) 06:18, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

User: Ikan Kekek, User:Texugo Dear Ikan and Texugo, I have created the Wayanad District page as a humble pilot work for our Malabar District pages project. Kindly have a look and make suggestions so that I can add more content to it. The pages for the other districts can also be prepared soon. Prof tpms (talk) 04:58, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Most of it seems OK, but "See" and "Do" are not done correctly. Instead of a bunch of bulletted items, you should make a prose summary. Bali is a Star-level region article. It has more content than Wayanad District is ever likely to have, but have a look at the format and style. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:20, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

User: Ikan Kekek Yes Ikan, Bali is very impressive. I will add more stuff. Regards, Prof tpms (talk) 07:05, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

 * I echo Ikan's advice above, and I see now you've gone ahead and created a second district article too. At this point, I'd encourage you to go ahead and create and start filling in all of the district articles so we can go ahead and clean up the Malabar article, because I while an under/over-subdivided region article might be bad, I think it's even worse to have a partially divided one that someone forgets to finish. Texugo (talk) 11:25, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Texugo Yes Texugo, I will give priority to the remaining district articles now. Thank you for reminding. Prof tpms (talk) 12:22, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Prof tpms. Great! I see you've cleaned up this article a great deal too. Could you choose the best 9 cities to feature in the cities list here? Texugo (talk) 13:42, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, Texugo, Texugo, I will complete the nine cities. Prof tpms (talk) 14:06, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Vatakara or Badagara?
User:Wrh2 has moved page Vadagara to Vatakara: per Vatakara The Kerala government website http://kerala.gov.in/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3734&Itemid=2579 used the spelling Vadagara. Prof tpms (talk) 05:13, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The question here is not what the official spelling is, but what the most common spelling is. I don't happen to know that answer to that question, though I did notice the other day that both OSM and Google maps use yet another option: "Vadakara". Texugo (talk) 11:20, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Texugo, Well Texugo, that spelling also looks quite suitable. Now we have four spellings for the little town: Someone from Badagara, please come forward and choose the most ideal one. Prof tpms (talk) 11:32, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Vadagara, the government version
 * Vatagara, the Wikipedia version
 * Badagara, the traditional version
 * Vadakara, the Google map version
 * In the absence of someone doing so, I think Ryan's suggestion of following Wikipedia's lead might be completely reasonable. Texugo (talk) 11:42, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Texugo Yes Texugo, I agree with you. On the whole we need a policy to keep the same spelling either with Wikipedia or with Google Maps. Prof tpms (talk) 11:56, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Ultimately that doesn't matter and in some cases would cause us to end up using longer or more official-sounding names that do not match the way people actually talk about the places. The important thing is that we make sure redirects are in place for the versions we don't end up using. Are there redirects from all the above names to the current article title? Texugo (talk) 12:29, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, Texugo, I have created two more redirects. Prof tpms (talk) 13:33, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I created confusion with the move. I was trying to merge content from another article and couldn't find the correct location for it.  I then discovered that we had an article that appeared to be on the same subject of a differently-named Wikipedia article, so I moved our article for consistency.  It can be moved back to whatever is preferred, so long as redirects are kept in place so that others don't run into the same confusion. -- Ryan • (talk) • 15:09, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Regions of Malabar
User:Texugo, I have completed creating the six regions of Malabar. Only the essential information is given and I want more people to come forward and add more information. Prof tpms (talk) 04:36, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Traveler100 and I fixed all the breadcrumbs for all the cities and park articles of the regions as well. Texugo (talk) 12:30, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Texugo and User:Traveler100. Prof tpms (talk) 13:37, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Angadipuram can be merged with Perinthalmanna
User:Traveler100, User:Texugo, User:Ikan Kekek, please note.

Angadipuram has to be merged with Perinthalmanna as the former is a small village where the railway station is situated. They are only 3 km away. They can be treated in a city article because Angadipuram is an unknown place and Perinthalmanna is a major hospital town of Kerala. Prof tpms (talk) 00:17, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Sounds logical. Go ahead. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:57, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

User:Ikan Kekek, I tried but couldn't. Perinthalmanna already exists so it is not moving but merging. I don't have the merge tool. Prof tpms (talk) 07:58, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

 * There is no merge tool. You have to manually merge (cut and paste) all the relevant content from the one article into the other one, then replace the emptied article with a redirect. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:30, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

fine, fine. i will do it. Prof tpms (talk) 08:38, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Malacca

Contradictions
 Understand

''Modern-day Malacca is small, sleepy city that belies its wealth of history. ''

with

Get around

''Malacca is by no means a small city, but exploring on foot is a good idea. ''

 * My understanding is that the historical city center is small, but the urban sprawl is fairly large. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:21, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

You got a point there. The opening sentence for Understand has the word "small" removed (at post time). 192.228.185.198 15:59, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

Links to external images
There are quite a few inline links to external images on a third party site - the images themselves are useful and relevant (although the site as a whole isn't). What's the policy/consensus on keeping them? 220.255.7.204 09:47, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

 * Kill 'em all. Any images should (licensed permitting) be uploaded here. (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:17, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Eye On Malaysia
Could anyone update the Others section to include the ferris wheel named "Eye on Malaysia"? It used to be in Kuala Lumpur but has since moved to this place in 2008 or so. Yes, I admit that it is strange to introduce something "modern" amongst the historical features of Malacca, but it's still a tourist attraction. 192.228.185.198 15:59, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

As seen that Eye On Malaysia is currently not in service until further notice, there will not be any activity available, but merely a huge giant standing at the shore of Malacca Straits. By (WT-en) kititto 11:44, 12 August 2010 (GTM +8)

 * Plunge forward! (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:03, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

Contradiction. Taxis are friendly.... taxis are a rip off

 * Most of the taxis in Malacca don't have a metered system, and they often charge according to their likes.

 * Metered Taxis are just about everywhere...

I don't know which is true, but the second paragraph has what appears to be a egregious plug for a random taxi driver. I'll update the page after I visit in a few weeks if I am able to form an opinion.

Culling sleep and eat sections
I suspect this article has suffered from a lack of attn recently. It was clearly very good at one stage. I have started a makeover by culling the (very long and touty) sleep and eat sections. Touty entries and those without any useful information have been deleted. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 03:25, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
 * I would that the Sleep section needs further culling. A city of only 500,000 very likely does not need 55 hotel suggestions, and cutting about half of this list out, leaving only the best options, would probably be more helpful to the traveller in determining the best place to stay. Give the traveller too many options, and you might as well hand them a phone book and let them pick randomly. Texugo (talk) 14:38, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Ringo's Foyer blurb ripped from Lonely Planet SE Asia Guide
Can edit this myself as I'm staying there soon (13 Feb) but putting a note here in case anyone has first-hand experience of the place and is able to do an original write-up. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 27.32.130.70 (talk • contribs)

 * 27.32.130.70, please do go ahead and edit it any time you wish. I could not find any LP text that matched this but if there is it should be edited immediately to avoid a copyright violation (copyvio). Also consider registering here at Wikivoyage as it serves to readily identify you as an editor. Please also sign your posts using the ~ . There is a quick 'clik' available for signing posts available just under the Save page and Show preview buttons, click on that at the end of your text on a User page or any Talk page and your IP address or editor name will auto insert. -- Thanks -- (WT-en) felix 22:49, 28 January 2012 (EST)

Malacca/Melaka
Per Naming conventions, I dispute the change in name. The government of Melaka state can declare a change of the official English-language name, but they can't automatically change what spelling is most used in the English language. I propose to revert the spelling of this article to Malacca and to maintain the spelling of Malacca (state) for the time being. We can revisit this in 5-10 years. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:09, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Agree completely. We haven't moved Czech Republic to Czechia just because the Czech government has decided to recommend that horrible word as an English equivalent to Česko, but we might in a few years if and when the new name takes off. There's no reason for Malacca to be any different, though of course like the Czech case we can note the new spelling in the article. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 23:07, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
 * If there are no objections soon, I will change the city's name back for the purpose of this article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:58, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Agree, and we should also undo the change in the Malacca_(state) article. Drat70 (talk) 05:36, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:48, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Page banners

A selection of page banners. I personally like the composition of banner 2 better, thus have set it as the article banner. Feel free to undo this change, if you disagree.--Renek78 (talk) 09:28, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

 * I like banner 3 or 5, but I haven't been to Malacca yet. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:29, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

 * I actually prefer Banner 3. Those buildings are quite iconic whenever you visit Malacca. The dog2 (talk) 17:36, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:46, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Featured destination?
What would this article need to become a featured destination? /Yvwv (talk) 23:49, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

 * At a quick glance: some listings need coordinates, the Eat section looks a bit chopped up with all these subheadings with just one or two listings below them, Connect is empty and some passages could need photos. --Ypsilon (talk) 16:33, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Málaga

How do I get to the coach station in Malaga from estepona. I cant find any maps showing directions

Have a query...
I have booked a holiday in Nov. at a resort near Marbella. What is the best way to get to Malaga city from there?

Pictures
For the opening section a picture of the city centre at street level might be better and the current image of the view over the city could be moved further down later.

Alternative banner for this article?
In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:50, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I think the new one is clearer and more colorful. Texugo (talk) 02:51, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I second Texugo's opinion. PerryPlanet (talk) 03:01, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. The new one is beautiful, but the current one focuses in on a characteristic building. I haven't been to Málaga, though. I imagine the new banner gives more of a sense of place; is that true? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:47, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The first one does focus on a nice building, but it's kind of hazy and the angle is rather inconvenient. Texugo (talk) 13:03, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd say in this case, the panorama does give a better sense of place; it's the classic view of the city from the Castillo. The city hall (the building in the current banner) is a lovely building, but the roof is hardly the most interesting part. PerryPlanet (talk) 14:05, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I prefer the new one. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 20:03, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Prefer newer banner Matroc (talk) 03:22, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Persons in photos
Wondering a bit about the photo in the Eat section. Back at the old page there used to be an explicit ban against people in photos, though I cannot find it now. Also https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_people and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Country_specific_consent_requirements#Spain seem to indicate that there should be a separate permission from the person depicted to publish that photo. As well, might not the photo be regarded as...sort of promotional? ϒpsilon (talk) 11:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree, and I pulled it out of the article and placed it here. Despite the caption, the focus of the photo is very much on the guy posing. I pulled the second photo for being promotional as well. Texugo (talk) 11:40, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Malang

Long list of hospitals
Why is a long unannotated list of hospitals useful to travellers? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:16, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Malargüe

Dear friends,

I have been using wikivoyage for many years now, but all I ever did were minot edits. This time, I decided that since I have already spent about 3 months of my life in Malargue as a visitor, I should add something more. Please, if there is someone to clean this all up to Wikivoyage standards, it would be very appreciated. If you have any question, please drop me a message at janebr@email.cz. I edited as an IP for being to lazy to make an account, sorry for that.

Jan Ebr —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 190.15.200.208 (talk • contribs)

 * We appreciate the effort, plunge forward!--(WT-en) Globe-trotter 17:14, 20 November 2011 (EST)

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Talk:Malaria

So this has been ided as a Project:Slippery slopes and I think we need to discuss it. On one hand, it's something that should be covered, and maybe we don't want to repeat the same background basics on every malarial-country page. On the other hand, users should be able to get all the info they need for a country on that country page. Additionally, I'd hate to see everything single traveller's health issue get it's own page ("Bug bites" "Splinters" "Blisters"). So where's the middle ground? Ideas?
 * I would say malaria is a big enough subject to warrant a page of it's own. Perhaps a case by case basis needs to be taken. I would like to see more info on the effectiveness of various antimalarials in various areas.

Lariam
To quote the article:

"It does have a number of contra-indications and must be prescribed by a doctor, and has also been known to have very rare but severe neurological side effects."

A friend has had some neurological side effects from Lariam. He described them as paranoid delusions - he said he felt for the first week in Ghana that everyone was ready to kill him. I'll see if I can't get him to add his stories here. 67.246.176.132 01:00, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

 * Making it clearer of what was meant by neurological side effects can be cool (though article already mentions lucid dreams), however please try to avoid the temptation to add sentences that use first person pronouns, try something that reads more neutral instead. – (WT-en) Vidimian 03:13, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

Vaccine?
CNN World's first malaria vaccine to go to 360,000 African children. Only a pilot project, so may not need mention in article yet. Pashley (talk) 03:07, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

 * WHO recommends one, and Malaria vaccine mentions another. As far as I can tell, both are approved in some countries, but so far they are recommended only for children in high-risk areas.
 * Does our article need an update now since people may travel with kids? Or later? Pashley (talk) 21:07, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Malawi

Talk:Malawi/CIA World Factbook 2002 import

Regions
Err. Lake Malawi is the main destination for most travellers to Malawi, and thus makes a pretty good region despite the usual bodies of water rule. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:24, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

 * I was more concerned about its length (e.g. Monkey Bay being so far from Karonga). But how about:

 * Upper Malawi (the parts of the Northern and Central regions uphill from the lake)
 * Lake Nyasa/Malawi (and which should we call it?)
 * Southern Malawi —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) TVerBeek (talk • contribs)

I don't think the lake makes such a good region, since it takes up so much of the country and because of the country's shape... and because the lake destination are so spread out and are the main places people go... it's the same situation as Goa, where "beaches" or "the coast" make a lame region... all of the destinations of note would all be on the same page pretty much Which is fine if they're near each other, but in Malawi's case they're very spread out. Personally I think North, South and Central are a good division... there will be lake and non-lake destinations in each, and most people visiting Malawi will be traveling north to south or the reverse... if you go to the north, you'll see any non-lake and lake destinations at the same time, making sense to have them in the same region... you wouldn't visit all the "lake destinations" first, and then backtrack all over the place to visit other regions. – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 01:32, 10 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Here's a map that already has it split into North/Central/South... the divisions here aren't terrible... – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 01:37, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Those are administrative divisions, which aren't binding on us. But yeah, I didn't just make them up. :) - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 09:55, 10 June 2007 (EDT)

 * I'm not sure if we should leave the three regions as is, or try to create a region for the lake. It looks like a region could be made that focuses on the southern end of Lake Malawi, including places like Salima, Mangochi, Monkey Bay, Cape Maclear and the Malawian part of the eastern shore of the lake. This would effectively split Southern Malawi in two, leaving Zomba, Blantyre and some parks in Southern Malawi. Any thoughts on if this makes sense or not? And if we do create a lake region, what it should be named? (Here's a political map for reference) (WT-en) Shaund 00:32, 28 January 2010 (EST)

 * I think we should leave it as north, central and south, and if at some point the south article becomes large and unruly we can divide it then.... Malawi is pretty tiny.... and the south article is currently empty anyhow – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 02:53, 28 January 2010 (EST)

 * OK, map and breadcrumbs updated for three region structure. (WT-en) Shaund 00:24, 4 February 2010 (EST)

 * Great work not only with the map, but also the fiddly associated work. Well done Shaun.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 00:32, 4 February 2010 (EST)

Superregion
Would anyone have an objection to moving Malawi to Southern Africa instead of East Africa? (WT-en) LtPowers 10:02, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

 * This was discussed at Talk:Africa. Certainly no objection from me. It looks very odd bundled in with East Africa.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:17, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Malayalam language

We normally place language oinfornmation into the phrasebook pages, or into the destination pages for plaes where the language is spoken. We now have a phrasebook for this language so page should be merged/redirected.(WT-en) Bill in STL 19:55, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Malayalam phrasebook

ലിപി
മലയാളം ലിപി ഉപയോഗിച്ച് എഴുതാമല്ലോ മലയാളം വാക്യങ്ങൾ...116.68.65.184 05:44, 2 August 2010 (EDT)

Retroflex
The reader needs an explanation of what that is; otherwise, this isn't a practical phrasebook. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Malay phrasebook

Bahasa Melayu includes Bahasa Malaysia and Bahasa Indonesia. Bahasa Indonesia is a form of Bahasas Melayu. So this is trying to be a Bahasa Malaysia phrasebook. Just read the wikipedia entries on these dialects.

 * I don't need to read Wikipedia entries. I am a Malay speaker, and also know Indonesian. The two languages are closely related but not the same, and this is a Malay phrasebook, not an Indonesian phrasebook. If you think the two languages are totally the same, you don't know them very well. And Bahasa Malaysia is just another name for Bahasa Melayu. Just so you know, it's also usual for new posts on "Talk" pages to be put at the end of the page, not the beginning, and for them to be signed with four tildes (the ~ key). Yang ikhlas, (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 13:33, 2 May 2011 (EDT)

There are too many Indonesianisms in this page. I think it'll require a (native) speaker of Malaysian Malay to remove these all. (WT-en) Meursault2004 04:10, 3 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * No surprise, the two were separated only a couple of weeks ago. Please fix it up as much as you can! (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:15, 3 Jun 2005 (EDT)

de-Indonesification complete?
User:(WT-en) Dekoelie and others have done a lot of good work to fix up the phrasebook, so I've removed the warning now:

Native speakers out there, please confirm if you think the phrasebook is OK now. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:07, 8 Sep 2005 (EDT)

 * I'm not a native speaker but was completely fluent in Malay at a 6th-grade level when I used to live there in the 70s and got most of my fluency back after a week of a 4 1/2-week trip in 2003. I speak Terengganu dialect more than KL slang, but I've gotten a start on this and don't think it's really OK yet. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 15:43, 10 April 2011 (EDT)

Bisa??
Bisa lihat menunya?

Bisa is indonesia. in fact, ironically it's the opposite.

The correct term is boleh saya lihat menu?

there is no -nya either...because when you ask for a menu, you'd be asking for the restaurant's menu and not some onther restaurant's ..

 * See above — it used to be the Indonesian phrasebook. Please fix! (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:13, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

 * Bisa means "poison" in Malay, whereas in Indonesian, the equivalent word is "bisa-bisa."(WT-en) Ikan Kekek 15:44, 10 April 2011 (EDT)

Informal Language?
A lot of the phrases in this guide is formal. Can we add in informal phrases and put in "inf" before that?

 * It's better to be too formal than too informal...  but by all means plunge forward! (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:09, 26 March 2006 (EST)

 * I get your point but sort of disagree. I find a lot of this still very stilted and Indonesian-style. I've done some work on it and will probably come back to it soon. Unless anyone finds "awak" too informal nowadays, I'm inclined to replace every "Anda" with "awak" in this phrasebook. English "you" is used a lot, too, though, perhaps especially in KL. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 15:41, 10 April 2011 (EDT)

 * I finally replaced all instances of "anda" with "awak," and have been making questions simpler and less formal and adding more content, particularly in the "Eat" section, as eating is always an important and delicious thing for Malaysians. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

 * OK, now we have someone claiming "awak" is impolite. Is it really? Also, just how formal do we want the language in a practical phrasebook to be? I've always done fine with "awak," up to and including my last visit in 2003. Has spoken Malay become much more quasi-Indonesian in 10 years? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:57, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Propose to remove the phrase "unless perhaps the Queen of England is reading this"
This phrase makes no sense at all since the last Queen of England died several centuries ago. The alternative hypothesis that the phrase was intended to refer to the present Queen of the United Kingdom shows a level of ignorance bordering on offensive. —The preceding comment was added by Alistair1978 (talk • contribs) 01:46, 23 October 2019

 * Oh, come on, people use the phrase "Queen of England" all the time. Here it is in The Guardian yesterday. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:49, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

 * If your sense of humor is so far from the surface that it takes offense at trivialities...I mean the whole point is to make a joke. You want to make everything a dry recitation, and that's not what this guide is about. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:21, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Belok vs pusing
I've heard both terms being used to mean "turn" (as in the verb). Does anyone know what the difference is, and which term you should use when giving a taxi driver instructions?

As a Malaysian, could you provide some advice on this? The dog2 (talk) 06:58, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

 * I always heard and used "pusing", both on the East Coast and in KL. Where did you hear "belok" being used, and what does "as in the been" mean? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:03, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

 * At least in parade commands in the Singpore military, they mean different things. Belok is used to command the contingent to turn, while pusing is used when you're supposed to turn on the spot. So in other words, belok kiri and belok kanan make sense, but belok belakang does not. It's always ke belakang pusing. The dog2 (talk) 07:27, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

 * And that was a typo. I meant "as in the verb". I'll fix it now. The dog2 (talk) 07:30, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

 * I see. I don't ever remember seeing a parade in Malaysia, which makes sense, since I spent most of my time in a kampung. I don't remember hearing "pusing ke belakan", either, though, as opposed to "(per)gi (ke) belakan". I'll be interested to see what Chongkian says, too. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:50, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello The dog2, Ikan Kekek. "Pusing" or "belok" is acceptable as it brings the same meaning. The meaning is slightly different depending on the use of the word in the verse. "Pusing" is defined as turn as well as circular or cyclic movements. You may feel a bit confused by the lack of use of the word in your community but in some states, I find that people also say "pusing kanan" instead of "belok kanan". In conclusion, both are usable. Pusing kanan in PRPM. Pusing definition. Belok kanan in PRPM. Hopefully it'll distinguish all confusion.CyberTroopers (talk) 10:59, 9 December 2019 (UTC)`
 * Terima kasih, CyberTroopers. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:11, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation. Now that makes sense. The dog2 (talk) 14:26, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

 * I have asked several editors from the Wikimedia Malaysia user group to be involved in this discussion, including those from Peninsular Malaysia and East Malaysia to get a better overview on this matter. Chongkian (talk) 00:18, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Pronunciation of the month of Ogos
Is it really "oh-GOOS"? Or was that a carryover from when this was split from the Indonesian phrasebook? I remember "OH-gohs" or maybe "OH-guhs". It was also called "bulan lapan" ("month 8") in my kampung. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:53, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Kelantanese/Yawi phrasebook?
Do you think we should have a Kelantanese phrasebook? Or maybe Kelantanese and Yawi? The thing is, people in Kelantan don't expect foreigners to speak their dialect. When I used dialect words in Kota Bharu, I sensed that people thought I was making fun of them, so I explained that I used to live in a kampung (village) in Terengganu, and Bahasa Terengganu has the words I was using, too (it's very mutually intelligible with Bahasa Kelantan, though the accent is quite different and there is some difference but quite a lot of similarity in vocabulary). I haven't been to Southern Thailand, but from what I understand, Patani Malays do expect visitors to speak Yawi, and to my knowledge, it's very similar to Kelantanese. There are major differences in pronunciation and significant differences in vocabulary between standard Malay and Kelantanese, but you rarely actually need to know Kelantanese in Kelantan, nowadays, or at least not in Kota Bharu (probably inland somewhere). As an alternative, we could cover differences in pronunciation in detail in this phrasebook, but again, people in Kelantan will not expect foreigners to try to use their accent and are likely to consider imitating their accent to be disrespectful. Kedah also has different pronunciation: Words with "a" at the end are pronounced as in "father", like in Indonesia, and not with a schwa. That can be specifically mentioned. I do not know local dialect words except in Terengganu and Kelantanese dialects, which I learned during my 2 years of childhood in a village in Terengganu that was about half people from Kelantan (and one family from Southern Thailand). Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:48, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

 * I made a few pronunciation notes. I gave Bahasa Terengganu one mention, but only in passing. I don't think there's much reason for me to mention that in that dialect, ang/an/am = ang, ngg = g and ngk/nk/k = k. The result of that is that lokan (clam) is pronounced the same as longkang (drain) - both are pronounced "lokang" in Bahasa Terengganu. Another fact about Bahasa Terengganu is that final ar and au are both pronounced as a long "a" as in "faaather", so when we were introduced to kain limar (a beautiful type of traditional cloth), we thought it was being called "lime cloth", as "limau", the word for "lime" is pronounced exactly the same as "limar" in Bahasa Terengganu. But sadly, I think most of that knowledge is now historical, and no-one will really need to know it. By contrast, Bahasa Kelantan is presumably still alive and well, due to local pride and lots of support by their state government. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:28, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Bulan Satu, Bulan Dua, etc.
Does anyone still use those as alternatives to Januari, Februari, Mac, etc.? If so, we could mention it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:28, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

"I'll take it"
This was in hidden text in the article:

This should say "Alright, I'll take it."

However, Malay doesn't work that way. You are not going to literally take (ambil) a room. And many Malay sentences are much briefer than English sentences. I think the followup to "Baiklah" would be the next line: "I will stay for ____ nights". Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:43, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

 * No, you've misunderstood my comment. "Alright, I'll take it." is a standard phrase in our phrasebook template. Whether or not the target language (in this case Malay) has a literal equivalent of the verb 'to take' meaning 'rent' doesn't matter; we just need a sentence that the traveller can use to indicate they're happy with the room and wish to rent it. If "Baikah" is sufficient to convey that meaning, then the English should probably read something like "Alright [, I'll take it]." or "Alright (indicating you wish to rent the room)".--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:14, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

 * There are some languages that have no equivalent to some English constructions, and I think it's important for phrasebooks to be flexible enough to change the suggested standard wordings so as not to be trying to stuff a round peg into a square hole. If you think it's really more helpful to travellers to combine "Alright" with "I will stay for _____ nights", we can make the sentence longer. Would you prefer that? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:12, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

 * Works for me, as it has the same result.
 * I'm mainly concerned that "Alright" has so many possible meanings, that it ultimately doesn't mean anything by itself in this context.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:48, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

 * Good point. I'm fine with the result, too. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:56, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion: Participate in the deletion discussion at the. —Community Tech bot (talk) 09:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Malay sphere.svg

 * Unclear whether it'll be kept or not. We might need to upload this locally, though I think the file description might be tweaked to be more neutral in regard to Indonesian as not quite a form of Malay. You can for now see my further comments in the linked discussion thread on Commons. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:39, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

 * Pretty low chance of being deleted I'd say. One user with an obvious nationalist agenda wants to delete; everyone else so far has argued to keep. Are you able to keep an eye on the progress of the discussion in case we need to quickly upload locally?--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:01, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

 * Sure, but I'd caution that files can be deleted regardless of how the discussion seems to be heading, sometimes for reasons never brought up in discussion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:15, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

 * Bloody what? That sounds like a major flaw for a wiki.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:37, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * FWIW, it's unlikely to be deleted per c:COM:INUSE and c:COM:SCOPE. No-one but the nominator has argued for deletion and it looks like they might be banned for incivility. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 21:29, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * They have been banned for 1 week. I don't think this file will be deleted. If it is, we can have it undeleted temporarily to upload it locally, but that doesn't look like it'll be necessary. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:18, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Factual Fact Factor has now been indefinitely blocked as a sockpuppet of a globally-locked user and the few "deletes" are by new users who think Wikipedia is the only WMF project (this mindset is quite frequent and habitual on Commons, especially those who only edit Commons to only improve their home wiki). I've requested a global lock and hopefully an admin closes that discussion soon. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 11:36, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

teh vs ca
Hi there. I just wanted to ask you if there is a difference between these 2 words. In Wiktionary, "ca" is listed as a word for "tea" in Malay. Is that a mistake or are there situations in which "ca" will be used instead of "teh". I have always used "teh" whenever I've needed to speak Malay, and I've never heard "ca" being used by a Malay speaker, but I don't rule out the possibly that it's used in some dialect of Malay I've never encountered. The dog2 (talk) 17:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

 * I've never heard anything but teh, but I don't know what East Malaysian or some Sumatran dialects might be like. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:48, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

 * Pinging Chongkian as well in case he has any comments. The dog2 (talk) 15:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Malay phrasebook