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Talk:Altrincham

Not to deride Altrincham, I have added to the 'buy' section some background on how it has deteriorated. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Ilikescider (talk • contribs)

As a resident of Altrincham I think the comments in the "Buy" section are fair; although it does conflict with the "Do" section which says, "The local shops are good." The statement in the introductory paragraph "The town has rather subsumed neighbouring Hale" is rather misleading. Altrincham includes the boroughs of Hale, Timperley, Broadheath, Bowdon and Hale Barnes - all these areas are part of one large town and unless you are in the know would be hard pressed to spot the boundaries. —The preceding comment was added by 213.152.245.226 (talk • contribs)

The 'Eat' and 'Drink' sections seem to have become rather mixed up, some in the 'Eat' section (e.g. Market Tavern & Cheshire Midland) I would not describe as places to eat, they are mainly drinking places and as such should be moved to the 'Drink' section. —The preceding comment was added by Altfish (talk • contribs)

 * Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing 4 tildes in a row ( ~ ), so that it's easy to follow the discussion. I have never been to Altrincham, but I would say that those of you who live there or are otherwise familiar with the town should please plunge forward and edit the content as you see fit — for example, by moving primarily drinking places to the 'Drink' section. Thanks for being here and for your edits! Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:54, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, still learning the protocol Altfish (talk) 12:08, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

What is the 'Connect' section for?Altfish (talk) 13:17, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Generally, Wi-Fi hotspots, local mobile phone SIM cards and outlets, Internet cafés, area codes, etc. You might have a look at Article templates/Sections and Where you can stick it for more info on what goes where. Texugo (talk) 13:37, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

There seems to be a glitch with the Captcha function when adding listings. If I get it right first time it is fine. However, if I misread it (and I often do!) it gets into a never ending request for another Captcha and you have to leave the site and return. Altfish (talk) 21:50, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm... that is odd! If it's easier, you can edit the article manually, although the listings templates do look a bit funny in that view. --Nick talk 22:28, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Altfish (talk) 05:32, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

The 'Eat' section seems to have vanished and been replaced by a duplicate of the 'Drink' section !! Altfish (talk) 05:32, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Here's the edit that did that. Fortunately, it's easy to just click "edit" on the version with the "Eat" section, select the text from that section and click Alt-C, then go into the current version and insert it where the first "Drink" section is. I'll do that now and it should work like a charm. If it doesn't, please fix anything I unintentionally mess up. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:19, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Doh! It's a learning curve!! Altfish (talk) 08:42, 3 October 2013 (UTC) Has the 'add listing' finction been removed? Altfish (talk) 08:44, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm seeing it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:50, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Strange, I can't see it and I've just checked again? BTW, I love the new banner Altfish (talk) 10:28, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Indeed it's a very nice banner. I am still seeing "add listing" buttons at the beginning of every section starting with "See." I really have no idea what's causing the problem at your end. I hope someone with more technical savvy than I will be able to help you later, if the problem persists until then. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:39, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

The "Add Listing" button is still not visible; also the 'edit' button at the end of each listing has vanished. I should add I am currently on my work PC which may have different 'protection' than my home computer; both work on the same Windows and Office systems though. Altfish (talk) 12:01, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, I can't be sure, but is Javascript blocked on your work PC? I think that's unlikely though because you would have noticed other glitches like a messed-up table of contents. Also what browser are you using. Probably Internet Explorer? -- torty3 (talk) 12:26, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Don't think Javascript is blocked, as you say other issues would be present and I can still see the 'Edit' buttons after the headings, but not the 'add listing' button Yes, I'm on IE at both home and work Altfish (talk) 12:44, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It's something to do with the inserted iFrame for the map, particularly for IE8 and below. I've removed it for now, but will fix the issue soon. Thanks for reporting it. -- torty3 (talk) 15:29, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

That certainly seems to be the case, since it's gone I can see the 'edit', 'add listing' buttons Altfish (talk) 07:47, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry if I'm getting in your way (especially for the odd fault with the listing editor), carry on with your good work! -- torty3 (talk) 11:46, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

W Frank - I'm not agreeing with your removal of the capitals in the Frank Sidebottom Statue entry. It was meant to be 'shouting' as this is an event which will very soon happen and I was intending to change the entry once the statue is erected on 20th October 2013 Altfish (talk) 21:38, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Just call me Frank - it's my Rufname. I understood that and it was not me that changed the capitalisation. Keep warm! --W. Frankemailtalk 22:17, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Malt & Apple: I've been told that this has closed. I've driven passed it a couple of times and it has been in darkness. I have marked it as 'MAY BE CLOSED' and will try and get up there this weekend to confirm. If it is closed I will remove. Altfish (talk) 13:25, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update! --Nick talk 13:59, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's closed - although it seems to being re-fitted for something else. Anyway, I've removed it 86.13.247.132 20:41, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It appears to be morphing into an Irish BarAltfish (talk) 14:15, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Altfish (talk) 12:01, 16 January 2014 (UTC) Bloom Live has closed and I have removed it from the listings

Altfish (talk) 12:18, 31 October 2014 (UTC)Airport tram. I know it doesn't officially open until Monday 3rd November 2014 but I am getting ahead of myself by updating the service connections to the airport.

Altfish (talk) 09:59, 24 November 2014 (UTC) The Victoria has been closed for a while (It's now an accountants!) - removed from Eat section

Altfish (talk) 20:25, 5 December 2014 (UTC) The bus station reopens on Sunday 7th December 2014, I have removed the section about it being closed.

Altfish (talk) 10:20, 12 October 2015 (UTC) Games Workshop has closed, so removed it.

Altfish (talk) 13:06, 9 November 2015 (UTC) Games Workshop has reopened as Warhammer about 100m away from the original site; I have added it to the listings.

Map
In my opinion, all this article needs for Guide status is a map. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:19, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree, Altfish has done a splendid job! Is the dynamic map sufficient or do we need a static map as well? --Nick talk 23:32, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I like the dynamic map. This is a Guide now. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:17, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Additional tasks
Some more well-chosen photos would be great, as there is room for about three more. Would Altrincham be a good place to feature as Off the Beaten Path? How interesting is it to visit as a day trip from Manchester? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:11, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I can source some photos, I could do with an idiots guide to putting them on the page though - is there such a thing? Altfish (talk) 16:27, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Altfish! We do have a guide to adding photos here, which will hopefully help you out. If you do have some photos of your won, it'd be great to see them on here; you just have to upload them to Commons first and confirm that they are freely licensed. If you have any problems with it, just let me know and I'll do my best to help out! --Nick talk 16:49, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, yes I'll have a rummage through my photos, not likely to happen for a couple of days due to other committments but it will happen! Altfish (talk) 16:55, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * That's great to hear! :) --Nick talk 17:06, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Alushta

I moved this page to "Alushta" from "Alushka" because I am 99.9% sure that this is the Crimean town meant. I spent a year living in Simferopol and have travelled often back and forth by trolleybus between Simferopol and the Black Sea coast, and never came across a town called "Alushka". The other option is "Alupka", which is another seaside town, but it doesn't really correspond to the geographical description given in the article and in the overal Crimea article. --Rachel Fleet

 * Was the name for the place in English or Ukranian? You may want to read the Project:Article naming conventions, where it suggests using the most common English name. I know a number of places in this part of the world have various spellings in English, depending on the year and source of information. -- (WT-en) Huttite 05:42, 4 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * A google search indicates that both Alushta and Alushka are in Ukraine. There are lots of references to Alushta. However, there are only a couple of references to Alushka being a place in Ukraine; most of the time it is a female name. Could these two names be refering to the same place, but with different spellings? -- (WT-en) Huttite 06:00, 4 Jan 2006 (EST)

"Alushka" is generally, as you point out, a female nickname. The town on the Black Sea coast, served by trolleybus, which is the first Black Sea stop on the way to Yalta from Simferopol, however, is called "Alushta." I have friends who live there and have spent many happy days there. To double-check there wasn't some historical factor I wasn't aware of, I googled in both English and Russian. My English google search only pulls up two references to a placename of "Alushka". (A mail-order bride's personal webpage, and does not even specify where in Ukraine this town is, and google's cache of the WikiTravel page.) My Russian google search of "Alushka Crimea" [Алушка Крым] found it in three sources: an article about Crimean travel that appears to have been reprinted over and over and over onto other sites, a classified ad for a hostel (cached by google; not active on own server), and a listing by a Russian of Ukrainian radio stations. I got a TOTAL of 26 hits for the search words "Alushka Crimea" in Russian. By contrast, my Russian google search of "Alushta Crimea" [Алушта Крым] got 240,000 hits, referring to the seaside resort town of Alushta.

I think it more likely a mistake on the part of the original page author. I know of no standard English spelling for the town. It has no historical significance to English-speakers and is unlikely to have its own English spelling convention (such as, for example, "Sebastopol" or "Balaclava" -- which are correctly transliterated from Russian as "Sevastopol'" and "Balaklava".) I have not gone so far as to research the Ukrainian names for the town, as the entire area is majority Russian-speaking (Crimea only became part of the Ukrainian SSR under Khrushchev) and the places are known accordingly. I might try later to find that out. In the meantime, here is a link to the official Alushta homepage: http://alushta.crimea.ua/  And a link to a tourism site: http://www.alushta.org/. The official homepage includes an historical account which lists historical names of the town. Alushka is not one of them. "Aluston", however, is one of the names listed, and is probably the precursor to the modern name. http://alushta.crimea.ua/history/index.php

 * GeoNet shows an "Alushta" (also "Alshta", "Aloushta") in the Crimea. I'm marking the lat-long on the page itself; I think it's correct. --(WT-en) Evan 13:31, 5 Jan 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Amanohashidate

This article should be redirected to Miyazu, since Amanohashidate is an attraction rather than a town. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 02:27, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
 * I suppose there is no choice but to agree with you, although when asked what they did last weekend, no one in Japan would ever answer with "I went to Miyazu". They'd say "I went to Amanohashidate", probably without even realizing it is in Miyazu. (WT-en) texugo 02:42, 10 August 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Amazon

The purpose of this page is to describe the amazon geography and biological diversity in more general terms, travel information what to do, where to go and how to get there should be located in the pages for each country, and references made from these pages.
 * I think this page would be better off with the region template, like Western Europe or Oceania, which are also huge (and unfortunately, really incomplete themselves). You could put the geography and so on under Understand. -- (WT-en) Hypatia 05:43, 10 Nov 2004 (EST)

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Talk:Amazonas (Brazil)

Is there another Amazonas? --(WT-en) Evan 15:14, 5 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Yes, I know of three others: the Venezuelan state and both a Colombian and a Peruvian department. (WT-en) DhDh 16:34, 5 Mar 2004 (EST)

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Talk:Ambergris Caye

The price for the water taxi sounds about double ... Was it meant to be in BZD?

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Talk:Amber Road

Good article so far, but it needs a route showing each major town/city to stop off at. Also, all of the countries that are included in the road. I will attempt to do this from looking at the map, but as i have no prior knowledge of it, it will need some corrcting. (WT-en) Danbrown99 16:27, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

According to the template at the bottom this should be deleted
If we agree that this is a silly proposal, we should change the template. If not, we should discuss it. Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:53, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

 * The article says it's an ancient trade route, and thus probably meets the "famous, marked route" criteria at WV:Itineraries, but if that's not the case then yes, it should go to VFD. -- Ryan • (talk) • 22:15, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

VfD
Per the one-year rule for itineraries; there have been no edits since 2019 and no human edits since 2017. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 04:37, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The German itinerary seems to be at guide status, so this should be viable and easy to improve for our German speakers. –LPfi (talk) 07:23, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Inspiration can be taken also from the Eurovelo 9 route, which goes by this name. –LPfi (talk) 07:28, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

 * Keep. It is a real & interesting route, see EV9 The Amber Route. Pashley (talk) 08:32, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Real places are no longer exempt from deletion, nor is it exempt because it's interesting. However, if we have anyone who's willing to translate the German Wikivoyage article as LPfi suggests (the de.voy article does partially go against the en.voy MoS which is why I did not do the translation myself), then I'm all for keeping it but please give policy-based reasonings for keeping it. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:40, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

 * Keep. Has a route, so it's in that sense usable already, even though it's not usable in a formal Wikivoyage status sense. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:24, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - Per WV: Itineraries: "Sufficiently famous, marked routes such as Alaska Highway or Annapurna Circuit are exempt from this rule." Does the Amber Road count as one of those? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:40, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. There's enough information for it to be of some benefit to a reader. Gizza ( roam ) 06:29, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Outcome: consensus is to keep --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:24, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Amed

Comments
OK, there is a reason why I keep reverting the edits to Amed scuba - all CAPS listings are not acceptable here. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 20:57, 21 November 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Airlines in the United States

Comments
I realise that the background for the page is here, but I don't think we should have separate articles for different airlines. We should have an article about frequent flyer programmes which can contain details about the FFPs of different airlines, and details about the airlines should go into an article like air travel in North America, or something like that. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 02:57, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

Airport Articles?
Why don't we have articles for the specific airports like Wikipedia does? They also have separate articles for separate airlines per the last comment so I think that should remain the same. (WT-en) QualityControl3533 01:15, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Retrieve deleted airline articles
Hi! As we've recently had a slight softening on our airline article policy (they're now grouped together - see Airlines in the United States), is there any chance that we could recover some of the articles that were recently deleted? I note that both Lufthansa and Delta Airlines (although the latter is being very nicely recreated by PerryPlanet) were removed in January; could we get them (and any other quality deleted articles) back somehow? --Nick (talk) 15:58, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

 * The deleted Delta page had nothing salvageable—just weird first person commentary. I moved the Lufthansa page to your userspace. --Peter Talk 16:58, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks very much! I'll see what can be salvaged! --Nick (talk) 17:13, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Merge to Flying
By placing the template on this page I am fulfilling what was discussed and agreed at Talk:Flying. Please do discuss that there, if you want to, to keep the discussion in one place.

Let me also explain that although there is quite a bit of content in this article, I find very little if anything worth merging into Flying. I do believe most of it is already covered by either relevant destination articles, other articles on flying, or Wikipedia. Feel free to propose merging selected content into other articles or Wikipedia, or better yet plunge forward and do it. Otherwise, the merger would constitute merely turning this article into a redirect to Flying. PrinceGloria (talk) 01:40, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

 * This is the last article in this series that was not deleted yet. This is mostly because it is vast and thus not easy to handle. I am not quite what, if any, information from this article should be moved and where to. Any suggestions? Or is it all pretty much redundant on Wikivoyage (we've got Wikipedia for fact-collection), so we do not have to worry about it and we can just make it a redirect to Flying? PrinceGloria (talk) 20:55, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Yeah... I can't really think where it would fit, especially now that we've got rid of other similar articles. The only suggestion I would make is to redirect it to United States of America rather than to Flying. --Nick talk 21:10, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:American Samoa

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:American Samoa/CIA World Factbook 2002 import. -- (WT-en) Huttite 00:48, 2 Apr 2005 (EST)

Swains Island and Rose Atoll
I removed the internal links to these islands on the region list. Rose Atoll is not open to tourists and unless you are a bird, you can't go or sleep there. Swains is private and generally not accessible, so if you want to sleep there it will be in one of the handful of homes.JadeDragon (talk) 04:24, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Visas
An internet search finds vastly different information on visa requirements, much of which does not matches what this page says currently (quoted below). "Visas American Samoa lies outside federal immigration and customs jurisdiction. All visitors (including US citizens) to American Samoa require a passport valid for six months or more, a return ticket or onward ticket and enough funds to support your stay. (I think this is all true)

Passports Not Requiring Visas Entry is allowed for 30 days for tourism with a valid passport and proof of onward travel or local employment. US citizens and citizens of countries under the federal Visa Waiver Program plus Palau, the Marshall Islands, and F.S. Micronesia are allowed visa-free entry. To obtain a business or residence visa or to extend your stay to 60 days, you must visit the Attorney General's office after arrival.

Passports Requiring Visas All other international passport holders intending to visit American Samoa for business or holiday are required to apply for an entry visa. To apply for a visa please contact the Attorney General’s Office, phone +1 (684) 633-4163, fax +1 (684) 633-1838 or American Samoa Immigration +1 (684) 633-4203 or +1 (684) 633-4204. At this time there is no email address or online application submission, so you have to get a hold of the Attorney General's or Immigration office by telephone or fax."

I think the first section headed Visas is correct. I believe the second section is incorrect on several accounts. Logic and various visa websites suggest UK, Australian, NZ and (sometimes) Canadians do not need a visa. Second, the US Visa Waiver Program does NOT seem to apply according to this news story on the government's site:

"Governor Togiola (American Samoa) and President Ma (Taiwan) then went on to discuss a number of issues, including the possibility of waiving entry permit requirements for Taiwanese visitors who wish to enter American Samoa. President Ma explained that over the last few years, Taiwan has acquired tourist visa waivers from more than thirty countries, including the United States. He said that many Taiwanese people are eager to travel to visit South Pacific countries like American Samoa." What seems clear is that AM sets its own rules and they are outside US Immigration. This site, quoting from Moon Guide appears to be the best researched americansamoa. southpacific .org/travel/visas.html The government site is silent on visa requirements, as far as I can see. except for this little nugget:

I found this info too: "Immigration Office: The Office of Immigration is headed by the Chief Immigration Officer with a staff of 33 employees. The Office is responsible for the administration and enforcement of immigration laws relating to admission, exclusion and deportation of aliens; it also has responsibility for the photographing and registration of aliens lawfully residing in American Samoa. Office Number(s): 1 (684) 633-4163 1 (684) 633-7504 Fax Number: 1 (684) 633-1838 Email Address: LA@as.gov "JadeDragon (talk) 05:28, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I had updated the entry requirements a year or two ago and was quite certain the A.S. government had the entry requirements on some website. I couldn't find any information on an A.S. website (like visitors bureau or Legal Affairs/Attorney General). The U.S. Dept. of the Interior has information Here (scroll down to "Travel requirements"). In the linked PDF file (a scanned letter from the A.S. Attorney General regarding entry requirements), it states: "Effective immediately the following are list of countries that are not required to have an entry permit to enter American Samoa. These countries are listed under the States[sic] Department Visa Waiver Program. AHeneen (talk) 21:16, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Americans in Cuba

Anyway ,who cares about American citizens in Cuba? Maybe it's even better they stay out of there....203.160.1.43 23:56, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

I actually love Cuba and its people and my aunt is Cuban; technically I am 'from the united states' but I have no allegiance to it.... And I am shortly going to pursue UK/European citizenship. Why bash those of us so-called "Americans" who need this information? My god, some people just have no sense or class! Thank you for this great sub-article, to whoever wrote it. 69.204.255.34 21:13, 30 December 2009 (EST)

US Overflights
Since 2008, all Canada-international flights passing through US airspace, such as flights from Toronto to Cuba - have to provide passenger lists to US authorities. I'm trying to find out if any Americans have ever been nabbed for violating the embargo based on these flyover records. I'm trying to arrange for an American friend to join me on a bike trip to Cuba, and it's easier for them to drive to Vancouver and fly than to fly to Mexico and change planes (thus paying twice for their bike), but seems riskier in potentially generating a paper trail of their trip.

(WT-en) Neil 15:13, 22 January 2011 (EST)

travel
I flew in May from Toronto and had no problems

Knights of Columbus banned?
The article says the Knights of Columbus are banned in Cuba, but Wikipedia says they are chartered in Cuba amongst other countries and I can't find anything about this ban elsewhere. Can anyone verify this? (WT-en) Hypertall 21:46, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

Cuba, Missouri
I hear Cuba, Missouri admits Americans. See Route 66. :) K7L (talk) 02:28, 2 November 2012 (CET)

Musical interlude
This article immediately puts me in mind of a song. Rchard Farina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Fari%C3%B1a) grew up in New York, had a Cuban father, visited in early 60s, and wrote this song for the House Unamerican Activities Committee.

Lyrics here http://mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=10283 performances on YouTube. Pashley (talk) 03:43, 2 November 2012 (CET)

Bribes
Does the mention of bribes here breach our illegal activities policy, or is the fact that the whole article concerns something illegal mean that anything goes? --Inas (talk) 04:52, 2 November 2012 (CET)

 * It does breach our policy, and isn't a good recommendation anyway, so I'm removing it. And yes, the whole article violates our policy... but I still think it should stay ;) --Peter Talk 05:12, 2 November 2012 (CET)

 * OK, not really the whole article. I myself have traveled there legally, under the somewhat dubious auspices of one of those licenses. --Peter Talk 05:15, 2 November 2012 (CET)

Penalties?
What does an American risk by going to Cuba illegally? Jail? A fine? Loss of the "misused" passport? Being added to some list that leads to hassles on future flights? Are these the same penalties as for another embargoed country, say North Korea?

What about a non-American? For example, I am Canadian, there are flights from here & friends report it is a nice cheap holiday. If I were to go, could I expect trouble the next time I wanted to enter the US? Pashley (talk) 16:42, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Americans in Cuba: New Developments 01/2015
I discovered recently our article Americans in Cuba, which it seems is in need of a significant update given recent events. Of course, it will also need updating once the U.S. establishes its embassy. Powers (talk) 20:20, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

 * It seems that the only travel-related changes that have been announced are minor changes that affect travellers in the existing categories of Americans that are permitted to visit Cuba. See this. I've added a diclaimerbox to the page, pointing to the State Dept. webpage about travel to Cuba and noted at the end that the information is subject to change & may become outdated. I also think it's important to highlight that not much change has occurred yet, since I imagine some people have heard that the sanctions will be eased and may naively think that all travel is now permitted. I also had an inclination to add "It is also important to note that some changes may be announced, but may not actually happen until legislation is passed by Congress" for that same reason, but decided to try to keep the disclaimerbox short and to the point. AHeneen (talk) 05:28, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

 * I tightened up the prose a bit in the infobox. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:47, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

 * The other major change that I'm aware of is that it's no longer illegal to bring Cuban cigars or rum back to the U.S., a prohibition that is explicitly mentioned at the bottom of the article. Is it worth updating that text to indicate the new value limits?  Powers (talk) 21:30, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

 * New US-Cuba travel and trade rules 'set for Friday' -- The article is just a "breaking news" stub as I make this comment, with no details. Just says: "New travel and trade rules between the US and Cuba are to take effect on Friday, according to news agencies." AHeneen (talk) 14:23, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Revisions
I've tried a couple of times now to start revising this article in light of the new restrictions, but I keep finding I just don't know enough to write good prose on it all. For example, I know that travelers can now import up to $400 in Cuban goods. But this article says "You are allowed to bring informational materials (books, CDs, records, etc.) and certain types of artwork into the United States, but importing other types of Cuban goods is not allowed." I don't know how to revise this sentence; are the informational materials and artwork exempt from the $400 limit, or are they covered under it?

Also, I understand that U.S.-issued credit and debit cards may now be usable in Cuba, but I have no information on how widely accepted they are, nor what effect this has on the foreign but U.S.-affiliated bank cards described in the article.

-- Powers (talk) 22:26, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

 * For decades now stores in Canadian tourist towns have had a good stock of premium-priced Havana cigars, mainly for the American tourists. Will they now be imported to the US and that business lost? Pashley (talk) 05:43, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

 * According to an article I just read today, only products made by private Cuban entrepreneurs can be imported commercially. Since rum and cigars are made under government auspices, they are not eligible for commercial importation. Powers (talk) 18:44, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

 * As I understand the text above there are two requirements that both have to be fulfilled. 1. You may only import informational materials and art but no other kinds of stuff (if you bring a single candy bar or a pen you could get fined) and 2. the value of what (books etc.) you import may not exceed $400. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:02, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure I understand your point. The sentence I quoted is out of date.  You can now import all sorts of stuff, including cigars and rum.  My question is whether the new $400 limit only applies to things that weren't exportable before.  Powers (talk) 21:21, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

 * OK, I didn't know the sentence was outdated. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:11, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Well that's rather the root of the problem. The entire article could be outdated, given recent events.  I just don't know how much.  Powers (talk) 20:40, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Any good ideas here?
What Obama’s Cuban deal means for American travelers Pashley (talk) 16:30, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Cigars and rum
I am confused by [//en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Americans_in_Cuba&type=revision&diff=3067538&oldid=2992602 this edit] by User:K7L, as I thought I read just the other day that President Obama had lifted the $100 limit on Cuban cigars and rum, allowing Americans to bring them in (from any country) for person use. Powers (talk) 21:24, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

 * The original news item is http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/14/americas/cuba-cigars-us-embargo-lifted/index.html although US Customs is still showing the old limit at https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/36/~/importing-cuban-cigars K7L (talk) 05:35, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Flights
Now that commercial flights have begun to Havana, I fear this entire article is essentially out of date. Certainly the Get In section needs wholesale revision, as tourists now appear to be allowed to visit. Powers (talk) 02:38, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

 * This entire article will be out of date on Jan 20, 2017. Yuuuge problem there.
 * And no, tourists are not allowed to visit. "Travel-related transactions are permitted by general license for certain travel related to the following activities, subject to the criteria and conditions in each general license: family visits; official business of the U.S. government, foreign governments, and certain intergovernmental organizations; journalistic activity; professional research and professional meetings; educational activities; religious activities; public performances, clinics, workshops, athletic and other competitions, and exhibitions; support for the Cuban people; humanitarian projects; activities of private foundations or research or educational institutes; exportation, importation, or transmission of information or information materials; and certain authorized export transactions." ...but... "Is travel to Cuba for tourist activities permitted? No. " See and . K7L (talk) 02:51, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't care about January 20, 2017. I mean, right now, it seems to be out of date. Powers (talk) 21:39, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I intend to be hiding in Canada on January 20, 2017. :) In the meantime, I've tried to rewrite the section a bit. Go ahead and revert if it's rubbish. K7L (talk) 15:42, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Cuba
Unsure about this edit, rolling Americans in Cuba back to the version of 12:12, 18 October 2016. The situation regarding Cuba is not static and we're certainly not where we were in October due to a number of subsequent events: the first American Airlines flight from Miami to Havana in 50 years flew yesterday, Castro is dead, the outcome of the 2016 US election stands to undo much of the change made under Obama. It's an unfortunate quirk of the US electoral system that Florida (and maybe Ohio) can basically dictate the outcome of an entire presidential election; that does allow a small Cuba-expatriate group based primarily in Miami to dictate US foreign policy with bizarre results. K7L (talk) 18:19, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * No one has any idea what Trump is actually going to do, and that might even include Trump himself--he certainly doesn't give any details as to what he means by "a better deal". He could be serious, or it could just be another one of his boisterous campaign promises that means nothing once you scratch beneath the surface. At this stage, it's all speculation, which seems like a poor addition to our travel pages. PerryPlanet (talk) 19:27, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Furthermore (and I know this is the most technical of quibbles) Trump has not yet been elected. The American people have chosen electors, yes, but those electors have not yet met to certify that the person who won less votes will indeed become President. It is entirely possible (albeit a remote possibility) that the electors in their infinite wisdom decide to scatter their votes or otherwise make use of their rights under the constitution to determine the President. Furthermore there are recounts/audits ongoing, but those are unlikely to change the composition of the electoral college. At any rate, noting that changes are likely is a prudent course of actions, but as of yet we will not know what those changes may be. Obama might even hand over Guantanamo to Cuba as a lame duck gesture to create a problem for his successor. Such acts out of spite have happened, most notoriously during the excruciatingly long November-March transition from Buchanan to Lincoln, when secession already ran rampant but Buchanan did nothing. Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:39, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

 * WV is a travel guide, not a rolling commentary on the political situation in any country. Events such as the US election and Brexit (as examples) will have longer term travel impacts, but it doesn't serve the traveller for us to try and predict them. Plenty of other places on the Internet for that! --Andrewssi2 (talk) 19:55, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

 * True, but people who come to e.g. articles about Americans in Cuba or the United Kingdom and who (mis)heard something on (fake) news might be curious, so we should at least acknowledge that news mean things are in flux if it is so. We similarly describe(d) the turbulent early years of German long distance buses pretty much as they happened and still note that nothing is set in stone there. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:14, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The box already specifies that the situation can change unpredictably. It should also mention that commercial flights are now scheduled between the U.S. and Havana. Powers (talk) 21:59, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * At this point? The situation will change... the only question is how severely. To completely ignore the not-so-minor detail that Obama will no longer be in office on Jan 20, 2017 is a huge omission if he alone has been driving the effort to restore diplomatic ties to Cuba. K7L (talk) 03:12, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It pays to mention that the incoming US President may change things, but let's keep in mind that Raul Castro is no spring chicken, either, and also that he could always offer Trump some profitable investments... Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:31, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Americans in Cuba debit cards
On the page Americans in Cuba in the Buy sections there is reference to Duales, CaribbeanTransfers, Telecash-AIS and Monetaria. All link to dead web pages. Any of this information still actual? --Traveler100 (talk) 14:44, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

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What does this article need to be featured?
Which improvements do this article need to be nominated at Dotm? Presumably it would be "off the beaten path". / Yvwv (talk) 17:21, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It looks like none of the listings are up to date. Ground Zero (talk) 16:20, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

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Great start! (WT-en) Majnoona

Barcie's closed down, so i took it out of the bars section -Anon.

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La musique d'Amizmiz :

Danse guerrière principalement masculine, évoque les épopées d'héroïsme et de bravoure et souligne la nécessité de la cohésion de la tribu. Son rythme cadencé rappelle la dominance des valeurs et le renoncement à soi-même pour la continuité du groupe.

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'''Buddha Park and Phra Mongkhon Ming Mueang. พุทธอุทยาน และพระมงคลมิ่งเมือง''' The park and the Buddha images are located at Khao Dan Phra Bat, Tambon Bung, on highway 212, some 3km from Amnat Charoen city. This base rock area is shady with different kinds of vegetables decorated under the theme of ‘Buddha Park’. Inside, a huge Buddha image, Phra Mongkhon Ming Mueang or Phra Yai, is placed in front of the temple. Phra Mongkhon Ming Mueang, the Buddha image in the attitude of Subduing Mara. Designed by Chitr Buabud in 1965, the 20 metre-tall Buddha image was built in Northern Indian style, by steel reinforced concrete over the old one and decorated with golden mosaic. This beautiful Buddha image is now logo of Amnat Charoen province. Back of Phra Mongkhon Ming Mueang, there are two Buddha images in weird shape. They are named Phra Lahai, or Phra Khilai by the locals, which means ‘not beautiful’. These ancient Buddha images are found in 1962 during construction of the pond’s bank. However, the locals believe they bring good luck and always come to worship. Chidsakol Farm สวนเกษตรชิตสกนต์ Located close to Chidsakol Resort, the famous farm features flower and beautiful plants. Its huge plantation of African marigold always turn the whole field into bright yellow hue when in full bloom. Visitor to the farm can join activities such as taking care of the plantation or cut flowers. '''Wat Tham Saeng Phet. วัดถ้ำแสงเพชร''' The temple is on Amnat Charoen-Khemarat Road, 18km from the city, and 2km off the main road uphill. Located on spacious sandstone plain, the temple has vihara, pagoda, and huge reclining Buddha. North of the vihara is a big cave housing a beautiful Buddha image. Tourist can walk around to enjoy rock formation of Sala Phun Hong. This cave is named Saeng Phet or ‘diamond’s glitters’ due to its flashing glitter rock. Wat Tham Saeng Phet is meditation centre of those who honour Achan Cha Suphatto, famous monk from Wat Nong Pa Phong. Foreign monks always come for practicing mediation here. '''Mo Lam Village. หมู่บ้านหมอลำ''' The cultural attraction of Amnat Charoen is situated at Tambon Pla Khao, 20km from Amnat Charoen City. Mo Lam is famous traditional performance of Northeast Thailand. Performance features dancing and playing traditional music. Ban Pla Khao Village found by Phu Thai ethnic group some 200 years ago. Here is the biggest Mo Lam village of Thailand, with 20 bans of Mo Lam living in the village. Besides conserving the traditional performance, some bans have developed into contemporary style. They perform countrywide and earn lots of money. Mo Lam performance of Ban Pla Khao is awarded Amnat Charoen’s OTOP (One Tambon One Product).

Amphoe Hua Taphan
'''Ban Kham Phra Handicraft Centre. ศูนย์จำหน่ายหัตถกรรมบ้านคำพระ''' The centre is located at Ban Kham Phra, on Hua Taphan-Amnat Charoen highway, 2km from Amphoe Hua Taphan’s Office. The centre offers various handicrafts made by housewife. “Khit”, hand woven cloth with delicate pattern, and handicrafts made from the beautiful fabric are available. Tourist can watch the production demonstration and enjoy great selection of the products. Ban Chang Tho Royal Folk Arts and Craft Training Centre.ศูนย์ศิลปาชีพบ้านสร้างถ่อ Located 5km from Amphoe Hua Taphan, the centre offers training course on various local crafts such as weaving and gems cutting. The centre here produces world-class gems cutting technician. Tourist can enjoy witness the production process and wide selections of products. Amphoe Phana '''Wat Phra Lao Thep Nimit. วัดพระเหลาเทพนิมิตร''' Situated on highway 2134, 2 km from Amphoe Phana, the temple has Lanna-style chapel which houses the principle Buddha image “Phra Lao Thep Nimit”. Built in 1720, the Buddha image, in subduing Mara attitude decorated by gold leaves, is considered the most beautiful Buddha image of Northeast Region. The art style mirrors Laotian art style from Vientiane which is influenced by Lanna during the 16th-17th Century. The Buddha image was probably built a bit after such period, assumed from appearance of local art style such as face pattern, higher flame over the head, lap and feet which are similar to art style found in wooden and bronze Buddha statue from the 18th -19th  Century. Don Chao Pu Botanical Park วนอุทยานดอนเจ้าปู่  Located 40km from Amnat Charoen city, the park acquires 260 rais area of mixed deciduous forest. The park is home to various wildlife particularly crab-eating macaques, plenty of which can be easily spotted. The park houses a sacred shrine, as well as Buddha image in the attitude of birth, enlightenment, the first sermon, and reclining in the park.

Amphoe Senangkhanikhom
'''Phu Sa Dok Bua. ภูสระดอกบัว''' Situated in Phu Sa Dok Bua National Park, the 423 metres high mountain borders three provinces namely Amnat Charoen, Mukdahan, and Yasothon. The park’s headquarter is in Amphoe Don Tan of Mukdahan. On the mountain top, there are 11 stone pools, which is a few metres wide. It is quite strange that all of them are occupied by different species of colourful lotus, which is found normally in swamp. Locals insist that nobody plant the lotus, but all come naturally. So, they name these pools “Phu Sa Dok Bua” or literally the mountain of lotus pool. Nearby is a huge cave which can accommodate hundred of people. It once served as stronghold of Communist Party of Thailand. Visitors who plan for trekking trip can ask Phu Sa Dok Bua National Park for more information at 0-4261-9077, The Department of National Park 0-2562-0760 or www.dnp.go.th or Mukdaharn Forestry Office at 0-4261-1757.

Amphoe Chanuman
'''Mekong River’s scenery. ทิวทัศน์ริมฝั่งโขง''' Amphoe Chanuman has 38km long border is attached to the mighty Mekong River which craves impressive scenery. In front of Amphoe Chanuman office, long footpath running side by side with the river allows people to enjoy the view. In dry season, from February to May, water in Mekong River descends, and allows islands to appear. Such famous islands include Kaeng Tanglang at Si Sombun Village, close to Amphoe Chanuman, and Kaeng Hin Khan at Ban Hin Khan, 30km south of Amphoe Chanuman.

Festivals
Amnat Charoen attach their lifestyle to local tradition and festivals that are held throughout year such as festival to mark the end of Buddhist’s Lent, Rocket festival, Loi Krathong, and Songkran for example. Moreover, they practice 14 moral regulations such as cleaning feet before getting inside the house, donating food to the monk, avoiding to step of monk’s shadow, paying respect to the parent, paying homage to the Buddha image with flower, candle and joss stick, and learning Dhamma everyday and etc. Amnat Charoen is well known for its silk products. The famous silk production bases include Ban Chan Lan and Ban Soi of Amphoe Phana, Ban Pueai, Ban Hua Dong, and Ban Nam Thuam of Amphoe Lue Amnat. Most people in Amphoe Chanuman are descendant of Phu Thai ethnic group that migrated from Lao. They specialise in weaving “Khit” cloth which has unique patterns. Their traditional musical performance “Mo Lam” always support the democratic constitutional monarchy. Amnat Charoen people is trying to retain “Long Khuang” tradition. The traditional once was meeting time between teenagers to do activities together such as weaving or silk spinning, among lively traditional music. '''Boat Race Tradition. ประเพณีการแข่งเรือยาว''' Held every November, the boat race is a big tournament for boat from Amphoe Khemarat of Ubon Ratchathani, Amphoe Chanuman of Amnat Charoen, and Lao. The race takes place in Mekong River, in front of Amphoe Chanuman’s office. The fair goer can enjoy the race at day and shopping and entertainment at night.

Sleep

 * Chitsakon Resort (ชิตสกนต์ รีสอร์ท) 42 Mu 3 Amnat-Khemmarat Road, Tambon Bung, Tel. 0 4551 1500-1. 37 rooms, 250-1,200 baht.
 * Thong Thawi Lakeside Resort (ทองทวี เลคไซด์ รีสอร์ท) 149 Mu 5, Tambon Bung, Tel. 0 4527 0226-14. 14 rooms, 200-400 baht.
 * Nattaphong Grand (ณัฐพงษ์ แกรนด์) 339 Nong Bua Lam Phu-Udon Thani Road, Tel. 0 4236 1199. 32 rooms, 400-1,000 baht.
 * Kinnari (กินรี) 274 Nong Bua Lam Phu-Udon Thani Road, Tel. 0 4236 0091. 19 rooms, 500 baht.
 * J.P. Emerald Hotel (เจ.พี. เอ็มเมอรัลด์ โฮเต็ล) 36 Prapha Road, Tel. 0 4272 4848-55.119 rooms, 800-1,650 baht.
 * Yot Nakhon (ยศนคร) 143 Uthai Ramrit Road, Tel. 0 4571 1481, 0 4571 2662. 66 rooms, 220-400 baht.

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This district has an important record in Thai history during the late Ayutthaya to the early Rattanakosin periods. Initially, it was a small community called ‘Khwaeng Bang Chang’ which flourished in agriculture and trade. According to evidence, in the reign of King Prasat Thong, Khwaeng Bang Chang had a marketplace called ‘Talat Bang Chang.’ The market mistress ‘Noi,’ held a title of Thao Kaeophaluek and she was in a wealthy family of Bang Chang which later became a royal lineage of ‘Na Bang Chang.’

In 1760, King Ekkathat of Ayutthaya appointed Nai Thongduang (King Rama I) as Luang Yokkrabat to rule Ratchaburi, the fourth level city of Ayutthaya. Luang Yokkrabat later married Khun Nak, a daughter of the wealthy family in Bang Chang, and moved to live behind Wat Chulamani. When his house was burnt by a fire, he resettled behind Wat Amphawan Chetiyaram. In 1767 when the Ayutthaya Kingdom was destroyed by the Burmese, Luang Yokkrabat decided to evacuate his family into the deep forest. During the time, Than Kaeo (Somdet Krommaphra Si Sudarak), an elder sister of Luang Yokkrabat, gave birth to a daughter named ‘Bunrot’ who later became Somdet Phra Si Suriyenthramat Borommarachini, the queen of King Rama II.

During the Thon Buri period, Phraya Wachiraprakan gathered enough forces to successfully dispel the Burmese out of the kingdom, and established himself as Phrachao Taksin (King Taksin). Luang Yokkrabat moved his family back to town and then his wife, Khun Nak, gave birth to the fourth son named ‘Chim’ (King Rama II). Luang Yokkrabat returned to work with King Taksin the Great and was given the title of Phra Ratchawarin Chao Krom Phra Tamruat Nok Khwa. He was later promoted as Somdet Chao Phraya Maha Kasatsuek and was crowned as King Rama I, the founder of the Royal House of Chakri and the Rattanakosin Kingdom. His wife, Khun Nak, was appointed as queen named Somdet Phra Ammarinthramat and her mother, Khun San, was given the title of Somdet Phra Rupsirisophak Mahanaknari.

Since Queen Ammarinthramat was a native of Bang Chang, she had immediate relatives who did farming there. As the queen was a member of the royal lineage of Bang Chang, they, therefore, became members of the royal lineage by their relation to the queen. The queen usually went to visit them. Until the reign of King Rama IV, the district of Bang Chang had been referred to as ‘Suan Nok’ (outside garden) while ‘Suan Nai’ (inside garden) was the royal palace in Bangkok. Hence, Amphoe Amphawa has had a place in Thai history for a long time.

Talat Nam Tha Kha is located in Tambon Tha Kha. This floating market still remains the villagers’ way of life in nature. The villagers here do farming and grow various plants. They usually paddle a boat to bring their produce to sell to each other. The vegetables and fruits from their orchards include chili, shallot, garlic, coconut sugar, guava, coconut, rose apple, pomelo, etc. The market is held every five days on the second, seventh, and twelfth days of the waning or waxing moon in the lunar month from around 8.00 – 11.00 a.m. A boat service is also available for visitors to paddle around the village and fruit orchards. For more information, contact the Tha Kha Sub-district Administration Organization at Tel. 0 3476 6208 or Uncle Charun at Tel. 0 3476 6123.

To get there Take Highway 325 (Samut Songkhram – Bang Phae). At Km 32 (after a junction to Wat Ko Kaeo), turn right for another 5 km. Alternatively, take a bus from the market in town in front of the TMB Bank. The Tha kha – Wat Thep Prasit bus is available from 7.00 a.m. – 6.00 p.m. and leaves every 20 minutes.

Wat Chula Mani is located on Highway 325 (Samut Songkhram – Bang Phae) between Km 34-35 in Tambon Bang Chang. This ancient temple sits on the bank where the Amphawa Canal connects with the Phi Lok Canal. The temple was built in the Ayutthaya period during the late reign of King Prasatthong. It was presumed that Thao Kaeophaluek (Noi), Mistress of the Bang Chang Market and a forebear of the royal lineage of Bang Chang, built the temple. The back of the temple was initially the residence of Khun Nak (Queen Ammarinthramat of King Rama I) and Khun Bunrot (Queen Si Suriyenthramat of King Rama II).

Wat Bang Kaphom is located between Km 37-38 on Highway 325 (Samut Songkhram – Bang Phae). This ancient temple was built in the late Ayutthaya period. The old Wihan (image hall) is very interesting. On the upper part of the walls, there are unusual mural paintings in the form of stucco reliefs depicting the Lord Buddha’s history. On the lower part of the walls, there are niches with Buddha images inside. In the centre of the hall, a large replica of four superimposing Buddha’s footprints in different sizes is enshrined. It was presumed that the footprints were built in the Thon Buri period. Initially, they were covered by silver sheets which were later stolen during a war. The footprint at the deepest level which is made from mother-of-pearl-inlaid wood still retains its beautiful design. On the temple grounds, a small coffee shop offers traditional tasty tea and coffee.

Talat Nam Yam Yen Amphawa is an afternoon floating market by the canal near Wat Amphawan Chetiyaram (parking area is available). On Friday, Saturday and Sunday, during 12.00 a.m. – 8.00 p.m., the Amphawa Canal is occupied by vendors who pack their boats with food and drinks, such as fried sea mussel, noodles, coffee, O-liang (iced black coffee), sweets, etc. There are also things for sale on wheelbarrows on the bank. Visitors can enjoy a cosy atmosphere and music broadcast by the community members, explore the market, have food, and hire a boat to see fireflies at night.

To get there By car Take Highway 35 (Thon Buri – Pak Tho) to Km 63. Drive through the town of Samut Songkhram to take Highway 325 (Samut Songkhram – Bang Phae). At Km 36-37, take a left turn toward the King Rama II Memorial Park. The Market is near the King Rama II Memorial Park.

By bus Take the Bangkok – Ratchaburi – Damnoen Saduak bus to get off at Amphawa Market.

Wat Amphawan Chetiyaram is next to the King Rama II Memorial Park. It is a temple associated with the royal lineage of Bang Chang. Presumably, it was built during the reign of King Rama I. The back of this temple was once a residence of Luang Yokkrabat (King Rama I) and Khun Nak (Queen Ammarinthramat of King Rama I). It was believed that the area where the Prang (pagoda) is standing was the birthplace of Khun Nak’s son or Khun Chim who later became King Rama II.

Wat Amphawan Chetiyaram was renovated several times by Kings Rama III, IV, and V. At present, it is a royal temple of the second class. The Ubosot (ordination hall) and permanent structures within the temple are mostly formed in the early Rattanakosin style of art and architecture. The ordination hall is a beautiful building. Furthermore, there is a Monument of King Rama II.

To get there By car Take Highway 35 (Thon Buri – Pak Tho). At Km 63, drive through the town of Samut Songkhram and go on for another 6 km to turn right to Highway 325 (Samut Songkhram – Bang Phae). Take a left turn between Km 36-37 for around 1 km. By bus Take a bus at the Municipal Market of Amphoe Mueang Samut Songkhram, routing from Mae Klong to Bang Nok Khwaek and Ratchaburi, and get off in front of Wat Amphawan Chetiyaram.

King Rama II Memorial Park is the project to honour King Rama II by the King Rama II Memorial Foundation under Royal Patronage, for the royal graciousness of bestowing exquisite art and culture as a national treasure, which qualified King Rama II to be praised as a Person of the World by UNESCO. The construction site of the Memorial Park, which was given by Phra Ratchasamutmethi, an abbot of Wat Amphawan Chetiyaram, covers an area of around 11 rai. The area is important since it was a birthplace of King Rama II.

Within the King Rama II Memorial Park, there are many interesting spots:

King Rama II Museum is comprised of four Thai-styled buildings separated into sections. The Central Hall houses the statue of King Rama II and displays artefacts from the early Rattanakosin era, such as Bencharong pentachrome porcelain, pottery, Khon masks, etc. The Male Room presents the living quarters of heroic Thai men, with a Buddha image and a bed which is believed to have belonged to King Rama II. The Female Room displays living quarters of Thai women in the past, with a dresser, a mirror, etc. The Veranda imitates that of a traditional Thai house, decorated with pots of dwarfed trees and decorative plants. The Kitchen and Restroom display a Thai kitchen with kitchenware and crockery, and a restroom of the middle class.

In addition, there is an open theatre and a botanical garden where plants in Thai literature have been collected. A shop here offers local products and young plants. The Park is shady with traditional Thai ambience. It is open daily, from 8.30 a.m. – 5.00 p.m. on Monday to Friday, and 8.30 a.m. – 5.30 p.m. on Saturday and Sunday. Admission fee, adults: 20 Baht; children: 5 Baht. For more information, call Tel. 0 3475 1666, Fax: 0 3475 1376.

To get there By car Take Highway 35 (Thon Buri – Pak Tho) to Km 63 and drive through the town of Samut Songkhram. Switch to Highway 325 (Samut Songkhram – Bang Phae). Take a left turn between Km 36-37 for around 1 km. By bus Take a bus at the Municipal Market of Amphoe Mueang Samut Songkhram, routing from Mae Klong to Bang Nok Khwaek and Ratchaburi, and get off in front of the Park.

Ban Phaya So ‘So’ or a fiddle is a local musical instrument of the Central Region. Ban Phaya So is a house of the alto fiddle (So U) maker who combines the art of traditional Thai music with carving. A coconut that is used for making a fiddle will be carved with different designs, such as character figures, changeable rose flowers, name initials, names of the twelve astrological years, etc. Nowadays, this art is rarely seen. Visitors can see the art of carving and learn to play the fiddle at Khun Somphon Ketkaeo’s house, at 43 Mu 5, Tambon Bang Phrom, Amphoe Bang Khonthi. For more information, call Tel. 0 3476 1949, 08 1742 1786.

To get there From the town of Samut Songkhram, follow Highway 325 (Samut Songkhram – Bang Phae) and take a left turn toward the King Rama II Memorial Park between Km 36-37. Ban Phaya So is around 3 km from the Park.

Wat Phummarin Kudi Thong is by the Mae Klong River, at the mouth of the Pracha Chom Chuen Canal on the west bank, in Tambon Suan Luang. There are many interesting items within the temple. Kudi Thong or a golden- teak monk’s cell has an unusual story that the father of Khun Nak (Queen Ammarinthramat) had her fortune examined by the abbot of Wat Bang Li. The abbot foretold that the daughter would become a queen. The millionaire father, therefore, promised to build a Kudi Thong for the temple if the abbot’s words proved true. Wat Bang Li was later named Wat Bang Li Kudi Thong. When the temple soil was eroded and destroyed by water, the Kudi Thong was moved to be restructured at Wat Phummarin. Hence, Wat Phummarin was renamed ‘Wat Phummarin Kudi Thong.’ Furthermore, there is a Wat Phummarin Museum and an Educational Park, where valuable artefacts worth a study and conservation have been collected, such as Buddha images, traditional Thai books, blue-and-white porcelain and brassware. A Buddha image here, which is over three hundred years old, is a gilded stucco image in the posture of Subduing Mara, called ‘Phra Phuttha Rattana Mongkhon or Luangpho To.’ There is also a monument of King Rama II. For more information, contact Phra Palat Thawonpiyatharo at Tel. 0 3475 1492, 0 3475 1085, 08 1409 0567.

Ban Dontri or House of Music is located in the temple compound of Wat Kudi Thong. A school building is used for instructing traditional Thai music. The Samut Songkhram Primary School Office has envisioned that the cultural value of folk wisdom should be preserved and inherited to the next generation for their pride in the future. A voluntary group of traditional Thai musicians in the past has been formed to give music lessons for a new generation, so that the spirit of the music city would be passed down. The House of Music has operated since 1 July, 1999. It is open on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. For more information, call      Tel. 0 3475 1500. Wat Bang Khae Yai is located on the bank of the Mae Klong River, at the mouth of the Bang Khae Canal in Tambon Khwae Om. It was built in 1814. Inside the temple, there are ancient monuments and artefacts. The large Ubosot (ordination hall) is more than 150 years old. At the front, the square Chedi (pagoda) with twelve indented corners is the art of the Ayutthaya period. The laterite principal Buddha image in the ordination hall is in the posture of Subduing Mara. There are seven Dharma Chedis built in 1872 with a boundary wall. On a separating wall in a monk’s cell, a tempera mural painting from the late reign of King Rama II depicts a battle between the Siamese and the Burmese, probably the one that King Rama II sent troops to obstruct the enemy at Ratchaburi in 1821. Admission is subject to permission in advance.

To get there Take Highway 325 (Samut Songkhram – Bang Phae) and turn left to cross the Phra Si Suriyen Bridge. Then, turn right to Highway 3062 for about 2 km, past Wat Phummarin Kudi Thong, and see Wat Bang Khae Yai.

Ban Maeo Thai Boran is a house where species of genuine Siamese cats have been conserved. It is located at 2/1 Mu 7, Tambon Khwae Om. The house of traditional Siamese cats was created by lovers of Siamese cats to promote and support the conservation of Siamese cats to be a treasure of the nation. It also gives information on genuine features of Siamese cats, supports research, exchanges knowledge and views between members, and exchanges research experiences and breeding with relevant bodies. Khun Pricha Phukkhabut, the co-founder and caretaker of the traditional Siamese cat house, told that “my mother raised Siamese cats of the Wichian Mat species when I was young. At that time, I did not pay much attention to them. When I grew up, I was to feed them. There were not many cats in my house. My family continued to keep Wichian Mat cats and I had developed a bond with them. Later, some friends who were cat lovers talked about the conservation of the cat since it was clever, graceful, attractive, and had pleasing habits.” Apart from the species of Wichian Mat, Siamese cats also include Si Sawat, Supphalak, and Koncha. Inside the house, there is a breeding section divided into cages of various types of Siamese cats. This is an interesting place for the study on a genuine species of Siamese cats. For more information, call Tel. 0 3473 3284, 08 4003 4194.

To get there Take Highway 325 (Samut Songkhram – Bang Phae). Turn left to cross the Phra Si Suriyen Bridge and then turn right to Highway 3062. Cross the Pracha Chom Chuen Canal, past Wat Phummarin Kudi Thong and Wat Bang Khae Yai, and see the sign of the traditional Siamese cat house.

Wat Bang Khae Noi is located in Tambon Khwae Om by the Mae Klong River. This temple was built by Khunying Chui (Noi) Wongsarot in 1868. Initially, the Ubosot (ordination hall) was built on the bamboo raft tied to a Bodhi tree on the river bank. At present, the temple is well restored. The most interesting thing is the ordination hall’s inside walls which are woodcarvings depicting the Lord Buddha’s history, birth, enlightenment, and nirvana, as well as stories of the Lord Buddha’s Ten Incarnations or Jatakas. The beautiful and explicit design was made by craftsmen from Phetchaburi province where woodcarving is famous. For more information, call Tel. 0 3476 1222.

Wat Intharam is located in Tambon Mueang Mai. This ancient temple was built in 1757 during the Ayutthaya period. It was renovated during the reign of King Rama III. There are many interesting points within the temple compound. Luangpho To, the Buddha image here is over 300 years old. The Ubosot (ordination hall), which was built from marble, has teak doors and window panels carved with proverbs. At the temple’s pier, there is a pond of Taphian carp and visitors can feed them. The temple sets aside an area as a mental rehabilitation centre using herbs and Dharma practice to treat drug addicts. Furthermore, an ancient boat museum project will be implemented here. For more information, call Tel. 0 3476 1888,      0 3473 5515.

To get there Take Highway 325 (Samut Songkhram – Bang Phae). Turn left to cross the Phra Si Suriyen Bridge and then turn right to Highway 3062. Turn right again to Highway 2002, past Amphawa Hospital, and follow Highway 2007. Alternatively, visitors can take bus No. 8131 from Samut Songkhram to Wat Kaeo Charoen’s pier.

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 00:16, 3 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Amritsar

Recommendation
For a good mid level restaurant visit Crystal (at Crystal chowk) or Estoria (at Ranjit avenue). Both are multi cusine restaurants and serve good dihes of Indian/Continental fare. —The preceding comment was added by 117.199.81.41 (talk • contribs) on 06:58, 21 February 2011

 * If these are indeed good restaurants, there's not much point in recommending them on the talk page. Whoever likes them should add a non-touty listing for them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:13, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Amritsar Heritage Walk
This is recommended as something to do, but it is not described in any way. Is there a traditional route to this walk? If so, would a brief description suffice? Then that should be put in the listings. If only a long, detailed listing would suffice, there might be enough content there for a separate itinerary article. On the other hand, if it's a guided walking tour, unless it meets the criteria in Wikivoyage's tour policy, it shouldn't be listed.Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:17, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Photos of people
This is another area of concern. Did the people pictured sign model releases? Photos of people are generally disallowed on Wikivoyage. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Should this article be downgraded to Usable?
My remarks at India Expedition/Punjab:

"This may be a Guide, but it needs a lot of work before it could be reasonably nominated for DotM, as it should be when ready. First, it needs a thorough copy edit, especially in hotel listings, Many Of Which Are Full Of Gratuitous Initial Caps and other signs of touting. The "Sleep" section is arguably too long to be user-friendly, too, so perhaps hotels with touty descriptions or none should be unceremoniously deleted. "Buy" could use a little work, too, again for readability. (Should each type of item to buy be bolded, for example? And where should the shopping centre listing be put? Its current placement is without explanation.) Under "Do," what is "Amritsar Heritage Walk"? There is no explanation. If this is an itinerary, its route should be explained. If it's a paid tour, it should be deleted. "Old City Shopping" seems like a "Buy," not a "Do." What activities do people do in Amritsar, other than walking, studying (covered under "Learn") and praying?"

A DOTM nomination failed on this basis. All of these remarks still apply. I think that at a minimum, in order to maintain its status as a Guide, Gratuitous Initial Caps should be removed from the article. I notice them particularly in "Sleep", which probably needs a major overhaul, but I'm also seeing them in the one templated listing in "Buy".

So what do you think? I don't think I'm up to doing all this work, though I might help a bit with copy editing. Does anyone want to take on this big job, or do you think the article should be downgraded, despite some good sections like "See"? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:52, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

 * Downgraded to Usable, which I think is the right call. If we want to make this into a truly good article, a lot of work will be needed. Any help anyone can give would serve the traveller well. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:38, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Name of airport
Raja Sansi International Airport is the name on the Wikivoyage article and the web page of the airport. Wikipedia however states Sri Guru Ram Dass Jee International Airport and also Google maps shows this name. Which is the most current? --Traveler100 (talk) 07:08, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Amsterdam

Pride link
@Matt 25/5/22 - Is the link to Amsterdam pride correct? I don't speak Dutch, but it looks like it's an anti-5G conspiracy site. Is https://pride.amsterdam/en/ a better link? —The preceding comment was added by 27.32.122.28 (talk • contribs)
 * Thanks very much, and fixed. Please feel free to Plunge forward and make the correction yourself next time. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:27, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

 * Native speaker here. pride.amsterdam is very much the official website indeed. .amsterdam domains became available mid-2015. By the looks of it, amsterdampride.nl was once the official website, but it got moved several times, and since the switch to the .amsterdam domain, someone else will have gotten a hold of the old domain instead. As TT! said, feel free to make the change in the article. Wauteurz (talk) 17:01, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

FYI: Amsterdam welcomes decline of nuisance tourism after 'stay away' drive
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/11/amsterdam-welcomes-decline-of-nuisance-tourism-after-stay-away-drive —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:05, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

 * I believe it's might turn into a case of "be careful of what you wished for" in next 5-10 years. OhanaUnitedTalk page 05:04, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Or not? It would probably depend on whether you wanted to rent an apartment (less tourism = lower rent) or whether you owned a tourism-dependent business (less tourism = lower revenue). WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:59, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Amusement

Page move
I moved this page from List of Amusement & Theme Parks for a number of reasons: -- (WT-en) Huttite 04:32, 24 Dec 2005 (EST)
 * The & is a special character and interferes with some wiki functions.
 * The article title did not really follow the Project:Article naming conventions.
 * The article as it stood is on a slippery slope as it confines itself to a list rather than being a full travel topic.
 * As it stood it didn't really meet the criteria for an article.
 * I cut it down to Amusement because it means we can talk about non-park amusements too. That means those rides or experiences that border on adventure tourism. We can also then link from the word Amusement in Amusement Park articles.

Article vision
My vision for this article, if it is to be one, is that it talks generally about the range of amusement experiences that travelers can look out for and then identifies the places where these amusements exist. A follow on article could be Adventure tourism and this article should provide a lead into that topic.

The article should discuss:
 * Thrill and adrenalin rush experiences such as travelling very fast, up, down, around and about or otherwise being scared out of your wits for a few minute, in relative safety.
 * Fantasy themed adventures or experiences, especially where associated with movies, stories or children's play activities.
 * Historic reenactment experiences that involve the visitor as part of the activity.
 * Rides on unusual modes of transport, particularly where the rider is subjected to unusual forces by deliberate design.

The article avoid discussing too much about: -- (WT-en) Huttite 04:32, 24 Dec 2005 (EST)
 * Museums, Zoos, Wildlife preserves, Parks, Gardens and other generally static displays that do not require visitor participation much beyond walking through the exhibition space.
 * Dramatic performances where the visitor is just part of the audience, not a significant or prime participant.
 * Industrial, Mining or Manufacturing plant tours.
 * Public transport in everyday use. Vintage public transport where the ride is the experience is a marginal case.
 * Sport, and especially avoid the Adventure Sports such as canoeing, rafting, parachuting, skiing or mountaineering.
 * Self organised activities that the ordinary person could go to a sports shop and hire or purchase equipment for an equivalent experience. (There should always be an operator or sevice provider that supplies the equipment and supervises the activity.)

 * I'm afraid I disagree on most counts — not only am I not sure this is article-worthy, but I don't think "amusement" is a good name at all for this as people can also be amused by quilting contests and navel lint. "Adventure tourism", on the other hand, is more about climbing up cliffs with one hand tied behind your back with ravenous bugblatters nipping at your heels and hostile natives shooting at you with curare-tipped blowpipes.   Why not the much less ambiguous "Theme parks"? (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:57, 26 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * I toyed with the idea of Theme parks when I moved it but because there were a couple of amusement park articles being created I went that way instead, then realised that both Amusement parks and Theme parks are a very American (or English) thing. In many other parts of the world you have amusements but they do not take place in a park, unless you consider Queenstown, say, to be a theme park you need some place to hang those oddball activities that everyone wants to do for the thrill. All I could think of at the time was amusement. I could live with the name being changed but I think it would limit the article, or we might need more articles on the subject (not!).

 * As to being a worthy article, are Amusement parks, Theme Parks and even Expos worthy articles? Some may not think so. But if they are going to be created, and justify themselves, then we need an article like this one to collect them together as another way of seeing travel. This article means we can put both the theme parks and individual attractions of a similar nature together in one article. Think of this as being a cross-reference article that allows the bigger (comparative) picture to be seen. If you are looking for an amusement activity and where to do it, to plan your travel, this page would have the information.

 * One thing that continually frustrates me with many of the articles I see on Wikivoyage is that people write about a place from the point of view that they are there and what you can do there rather than wanting to do something and where (and how) to travel to do it. -- (WT-en) Huttite 06:35, 27 Dec 2005 (EST)

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Talk:Anacortes

Removing extlink
I just deleted this from Anacortes, in line with the policy that Wikivoyage is not a link directory, and that any listings worth having should be in the body of the Eat section.
 * Please access www.anacortes.org for a complete listing of restaurants and links to their web sites.

Putting the link here so that others can use it as a source if they wish. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 01:35, 21 May 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Anaktuvuk Pass

Reason to go there
The picture I'm getting is that it would be expensive to get to this village, it's not clear there's any place to stay, and it's not clear why anyone would want to go there. So if anyone has a good sense of what the draw of this place is, please explain in the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:51, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Anchorage

I'm 90% sure of the numbers I quoted on this page for taxi and bus fares and the trail mileage. I'll research it this evening and edit if necessary.

Some of the information I posted in Getting in and Getting around is very slightly duplicative of the info I posted on the Alaska page. This page has just the info for Anchorage; the Alaska page is much broader. Edit if necessary...but I guess that goes without saying! :-)

A little bit of the material is from that which I posted on Wikipedia's Alaska page. When copying it, I removed the Wiki links as most were not applicable here. As time allows, I'll study the article database of related articles to see what types of Wiki links you guys here on WikiTravel like, and then I'll go back through and Wikify the appropriate ones...unless someone beats me to it.

(WT-en) Cluth 20:14, 28 Apr 2005 (EDT)

First tap is on Thursdays, not Tuesdays. The drink section could use a few more entries of "notable" Anchorage bars -- the Cheechako (can't remember it's new name..), Sub-Zero, or Darwin's Theory off the top of my head. I'll try to add something about those later and I'll fix the first tap thing now. 71.237.163.19 04:25, 21 January 2007 (EST)

Temperature Chart
The chart shows the "low" temperature of November as 16 degrees, December as 29 degrees, and January as 9 degrees. Is this correct? Does the low temperature jump back up that high from November to December, then drop back down that sharply for January; or is someone putting in inaccurate information?

Touting?
What was wrong with this listing? (WT-en) LtPowers 16:06, 9 September 2010 (EDT)

 * The user in question has been adding a lot of marketing links, most of which are in the first person and violate SEO, but the listing you've pointed out was the only one that I didn't revert since it actually seemed OK, although perhaps User:(WT-en) Roundtheworld saw something questionable. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:00, 9 September 2010 (EDT)

The get around section
Is in serious need of a rewrite and sectionalizing (which i have partially done). Is there someone who has been to Anchorage who could help out? Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:05, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Earthquake?....
https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us1000hyfh/executive, is 7.0 enough to warrent a caution box? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:37, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It looks like one already exists. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 16:59, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was added on December 3rd — so, after your comment. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 17:00, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Andaman and Nicobar Islands

Target OTBP
The way this is shaping up, this could be a great Off-the beaten path destination for next winter! It will be a first for India. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 05:49, 17 October 2006 (EDT)

 * The formatting is bad right now though. The list of major islands (7-9) should be restored, sights in Port Blair should go into Port Blair, and "See/Do" should just highlight (with links to detailed articles) the best things to see/do. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:53, 17 October 2006 (EDT)

 * I totally agree, I was struggling with the formatting, still new at this... but please don't revert, we can clean it up shortly... a lot of the basic info that was here before my new updates was random... i'm trying to at least get it into groups that are actual islands, things that are in port blair, and things that are around port blair... give me another day or so then go to town on moving it around! and yes, OTBP! I want to give people info but am also scared to encourage TOO much because it isn't prepared for it yet. When I was there earlier this year I had to sleep in a hammock for 3 nights before I could even find a hut to sleep in... and it still feels really special and the locals aren't jaded, so encouraging mass tourism like Goa is yucky... but you should totally go... hehe... (WT-en) Cacahuate 06:15, 17 October 2006 (EDT)

Length of permits
Moved out from the article:

Update: in April/May 2009 the maximum allowed stay was 30 days, not 45. Visitors arriving without a return ticket were given a permit for 15 days, which could be extended to 30 days upon presentation of a ticket to the mainland. However, May also proved to be a busy time with mainlanders flying home and islanders going away on holiday, and air tickets were nearly impossible to come by. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 61.11.71.121 (talk • contribs)

 * This sounds like it may have been an exception, has anyone else run into problems with getting the usual 30 day permit, which is extendable to 45 days? Was this a random fluke, or does it apply to everyone without a return ticket? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 03:34, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

 * Dunno, our return tickets weren't even checked. However, we wrote our (booked) return flight date on the permit application, and thus received only a six-day permit — would have been wiser to write in a later date. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:51, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

Rutland Island
I edited out some of this information in order to make the "Other destinations" section a series of 1-liner listings, but there is no article about this island, so here is the listing as it was, so we can decide what to do with info like the fact that there's a resort on the island.

 * Rutland Island, is pristine, non-polluted and least visited island. Beautiful Mangrove forest and coral reefs welcomes you to the 274 km2 island. There is also a 45 acre Totani Resort which has quaint little huts which can be used as a base camp for exploring the island. It is the ideal place for eco-tourists. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:06, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Coco Islands

 * Coco Islands was listed as an Other destination - It is part of the geographical chain for the Andaman and Nicobar Islands but does not belong to India. It was given to Myanmar in the mid-fifties then China took control recently. I removed it from the list. - Matroc (talk) 21:40, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Why does Coco Islands redirect to Southern Myanmar? That seems problematic. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:35, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Because the 499-byte Special:PermaLink/3500624 had no useful travel content in it. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 07:03, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry for just noticing your reply. My further comment is that's not a good reason. If the islands are controlled by China, why do we want to redirect them to any part of Myanmar? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:44, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Nah, no need to apologise :-). If the islands are controlled by China, should we just delete it (by listing it on WV:VFD, ofc)? And is it Chinese de facto control or have they outright annexed it? -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 06:48, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * User:Matroc, if you're around, let us know if you have current information about the status of these islands. I will say, though, what matters for our purposes is what country effectively controls them, not whether they annexed them or not. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I believe they are part of Australian territory - per 1984 vote??? Matroc (talk) 03:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Who's vote? Wikipedia doesn't seem to know much (drawing conclusions from satellite imagery etc.), but they talk about a scandal on the islands in the 2015 Myanmar election, so it seems Myanmar still administered them. The Chinese control seems to be about cooperation where the Chinese are allowed to have intelligence installations there; a 2008 paper says "China was helping Burma to develop its military facilities on Great Coco Island" … "[some] seem convinced that one island at least is the site of a major Chinese intelligence collection station". –LPfi (talk) 06:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wow did I mess that question up - I was thinking Cocos Islands (external territory of Australia)..... and not Coco Islands. Matroc (talk) 03:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Edits to article on Andaman and Nicobar Islands
If my edits were "redundant," why is the same information recited both inside and AFTER the warning box? Qdiderette (talk) 00:19, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Regionalisation
I think the cities and islands in the article should be grouped into regions like North and Middle Andaman, South Andaman and Nicobar Islands. I think I'll plunge forward to do it. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 14:25, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

 * As you like, but are you manually editing categories again? If you are, please don't do that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:48, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

 * Also, I'm not seeing enough content for it to be clear why we should regionalize this island chain. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:26, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Although the number of cities are fewer than seven, the number of islands are exceeding the 7±2 rule. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 18:29, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Not by that much, though. What would be gained by having the articles you propose to create? Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:33, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * There are fifteen bluelinked articles (plus some redlinked/redirected islands and parks), which exceedingly violates our 7±2 rule, which is a benchmark for our regionalisation. I have divided the islands into three regions on the line of administrative districts, as it is the only possible way to regionalise them. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 18:36, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Your statement is contradicting the statement at Region categories, "This is unfortunately a manual process. On clicking on the Create category link you will be taken to an edit box with preloaded text. You need to replace the comment text inside the with the parent region of the category." Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:04, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree with Sbb1413 here. We've never used HotCat here and using it doesn't make sense. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 09:13, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

the sub-region articles you created were just forces of the information in this article, so they didn't serve any purpose. I have started to clean this article up by removing and places without articles. Are there other places that are less important and should be listed only in the subregion articles? Can you provide additional information to make the sub-region articles more useful than they are now? Ground Zero (talk) 19:18, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Please don't remove places without articles, as they might encourage readers to create articles on those places. Excluding those places, we have six destinations in North and Middle Andaman with articles and nine destinations in South Andaman with articles. Nicobar Islands is a rural area without destination articles. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 02:20, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

 * All of the places in the North and Middle Andaman, South Andaman and Nicobar Islands sub-region pages were also listed in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands main page. In other words, the sub-regions provided no additional information. The places I removed from the main page are all listed in the sub-region pages. My first thought was just to remove the sub-region pages, because the reader could access all of the information in the main page, but then I saw above that you had put a lot of work into creating them. Which makes more sense: split the information between the main and sub-region pages, or merge it all back into the main page? Having the same information repeated does not make any sense for the reader. Ground Zero (talk) 02:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Split the information between the main and sub-region pages. When I split the Andaman and Nicobar Islands into subregions, I didn't cut down the listings in the main article and I left it for other contributors. Feel free to cut down the number of listings in the main article per WV:7±2, as I'm busy in real life right now. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 03:28, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think the region articles are of much use now, as there is no additional information compared to the main article (I assume). The best solution until there is something to say about the subregions is to use the large region template, i.e. to introduce subheadings in the main region article but not create subregions proper.
 * The listed cities are 3+2+0, the listed islands 5+7+0 and the listed national parks are 1+6+2. Divided by subregion those lists are very much manageable.
 * Some destinations without articles have been removed from the lists. To my understanding info on places without articles can be placed in the region article, unless there is some more suitable place. I don't understand why the info was removed, but I haven't checked what actually happened. Would the additional list items make the lists too long?
 * –LPfi (talk) 08:11, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm not sure if region articles with almost all-empty sections are very helpful, as it stands right now. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

this highlights the problem of starting a project and then expecting someone else to finish it. No-one else seems to be comfortable doing this. I understand that you are busy in real life now, and that must be your priority. As no-one else is stepping forward to complete, this, do you agree that we should merge the regions back in? The text that you created for the subregions can be commented out so that it wowing still be there of you decide to complete this project some time in the future. Ground Zero (talk) 02:28, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. Ground Zero (talk) 11:30, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Nicobar Islands shouldn't be merged back, as it is a travel region in its own right. I'm recreating the region as a rural area. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 06:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree that the rural area can stay as-is (as it is not a region article). -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 06:14, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Special:PermaLink/4807874 for the unmerged page, FTR. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 06:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Nicobar Islands currently redirects to Andaman and Nicobar Islands. User:Sbb1413, where are you re-creating the article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:40, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * They're basically reverting 's merger. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 06:47, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

North Sentinel Island
Since the island is listed at next-to-impossible destinations, should I list at here, despite almost no traveller will ever visit the island? Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 17:58, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

 * It's already mentioned in the article as being illegal to visit because the locals really don't like visitors; what else needs to be said? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:18, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I thought of adding the island as a listing, as described in One-liner listings. However, I was wondering whether I should add that like this, considering its inaccessibility. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 18:20, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Don't list it. We don't want people to get killed or to introduce diseases that could wipe out the population. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:24, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, thank you for clarification. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 18:26, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Though North Sentinel Island should probably redirect to South Andaman. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 07:01, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, to wherever we discuss the island. I think it is a bit confusing that it isn't listed among the islands; as we do tell about it, I don't know why we should hide it. If we add a listing, the one-liner should point to the discussion and include a note on it being off limits (perhaps having a light-grey marker for it instead of the standard one). The way to actually go there is to have your own vessel or to charter one. In the former case, going there by mistake seems more likely than somebody going there on purpose, and the company going on purpose can certainly use the coords from Wikipedia. In the latter, not listing the island may make it more easy for some local to take you to another island, claiming it to be the right one. While I am not convinced either way about the ethical aspects of that scam, I don't think it is important for us to hinder it. Also, if we cannot list it here, we probably shouldn't list it on the other page, but just tell about "some islands" in the discussion on non-contacted tribes. –LPfi (talk) 09:51, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * But can we list it if it fails to pass the Illegal activities policy? The Andaman and Nicobar Islands Regulation (1956) ensures a 5-kilometre isolate zone around the island, and realistically, no local that has a boat will ever use their boat to venture out onto North Sentinel Island unless they want to get themself killed. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:09, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't see how listing it as a non-destination would contradict the policy – if it does, why is it listed in the other article? I hope no local would use their boat in such a way, but they could be desperate, hope that they aren't seen, and send the foreigners off in a dinghy (to that island or to an uninhabited other one). –LPfi (talk) 11:03, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Languages
Nicobar Islands says that "Nicobarese is the mother tongue of the Nicobar Islands and is understood by the tribes." This isn't mentioned in Andaman and Nicobar Islands. Shouldn't it? Are there other native languages in the islands (Northern Sentinelese at least, I gather)?

The wording is also odd: islands don't have a mother tongue, and why wouldn't tribes understand their mother tongue? I assume this should be clarified and the section expanded.

–LPfi (talk) 08:20, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Forbidden islands
I suppose that we should make very clear the cases where legality of visits is unclear.

In Understand we say
 * "Of nearly 600 islands, only 9 are open to foreign tourists, and all of these are in the Andamans."

We list twelve islands or island groups and one reserve. Three islands were described as restricted or requiring permission (Jarwa Reserve and Smith and Ross Islands had no such comment). I think we should point out those that truly are open for the average tourist. Which ones are those? Are they all listed?

Smith and Ross Islands#Understand says
 * "It is questionable whether it's legal to visit these islands, although it has been in the past, and day trips are easily arranged from Diglipur."

There was no mention about this in the bullet for the islands, nor where they were suggested as a day trip in the bullet for Diglipur.

–LPfi (talk) 13:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Andean Northwest (Argentina)

Everything linking here used "Andean", but the article title was "Andrean". I don't know if it was a typo or on purpose by some self-advertising Andrea, but I think it was wrong. I moved this page to "Andean" and hopefully that'll work out OK. --(WT-en) Evan 14:47, 9 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * When Evan did the move he had to delete the existing page, I restored the deleted history, so there are 2 pages in the edit history now. The old version has info not currently on the page. -- (WT-en) Huttite 19:48, 11 Jan 2006 (EST)

Disambiguation
Is the disambiguator (Argentina) really necessary on this page's title? I mean, is there another place called Andean Northwest in other country too? (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 10:36, 3 May 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Andes

VFD Discussion

 * Delete, it is not used as a sub-region of South America, so why would we have an article for this region? (WT-en) Globe-trotter 11:28, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
 * Note: article was missing VFD tag; I've added it. (WT-en) LtPowers 15:35, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
 * Delete Wikivoyage doesn't cover entire mountain ranges. Information about specific mountains should be placed on city pages or given their own page, if there is enough to see/do on a specific mountain within the Andes. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 16:12, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
 * Keep, change format to disamb. The text that currently exists in the article seems reasonable to me.  It directs the traveller to the regions they will get information.  Lets remove the current template, and put the info there currently into a disamb format.  --(WT-en) inas 22:42, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
 * Keep. I can't say I care much whether the result is a disambig or an actual region article, but I don't see any reason to get rid of a valid, coherent region article, regardless of whether it is part of the hierarchy. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:29, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Keep Wikivoyage actually does have coverage for the Alps and Himalayas, so unless there is consensus to get rid of those, as well, the Andes are legitimate. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 00:38, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Would you care to comment on whether you think the full region template or a disamb is more appropriate? After all, the Alps contains the far too useful advice to eat fondue, so we have much to look forward to in the Eat section of the Andes.  --(WT-en) inas 01:57, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

 * I feel there may not be much to say about the entire mountain ranges that would make them useful articles beyond Wikipedia-type facts. I think a disambiguation page with links to more specific articles (either mountains within the range or cities in the mountains or cities where tourists can access parts of the mountain) is likely to be more helpful. Itineraries that include the mountains are also good to link from the disambiguation page. Stating where/what to eat, where to sleep, etc. are just not practical, because there are too many places from Peru to Chile. It seems impractical, as a guide. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 02:26, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

 * I'd say the Andes have a distinct cultural heritage from the Incan and surrounding civilizations of yore, as well as from the realities of high altitude living, which could lend to a good region article. There's certainly more of interest to write about than for South Central Nebraska. Our region articles are almost universally terrible, but that's a different issue to work out, I think. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:39, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

 * True enough, but when you see the opportunity to have one less, why not take it!? --(WT-en) inas 05:42, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Do you think this type of article warrants a sort of half-disambiguation, half-article page? I mean, I agree with Peter that there are things you can say about the culture and history of the area, but I still think that when it comes to sleeping, eating, see, do, etc. it is more helpful to have links to places within the range. If it doesn't have such links, then it's sort of a hollow, dead-end article. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 14:12, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Keep We have Rocky Mountains as well. (WT-en) Pashley 04:44, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Change to disambig - And hey Pashley, you just voted to keep on the basis of Rocky Mountains which is only a disambiguation page. What gives? (WT-en) Texugo 00:46, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

 * I'd say we should have something for any reasonable search term, or any term it might be convenient for a writer to link to — Andes, Taj Mahal, Bombay, Appalachia, ... — but we don't want redundant articles, so disambigs are fine for most of them. Writing about Quito, it seems reasonable to me to say it is high in the Andes, so I want something at "Andes". (WT-en) Pashley 23:33, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

 * In nearly all cases, I completely fail to see that overlap of region articles is a problem. Yes, we need a hierarchical scheme for the breadcrumbs, but that scheme is not sacred. To me, Rocky Mountains or Baltic Sea are obviously valid titles, although neither makes a coherent region for the hierarchical scheme. Listing Turkey in both the Europe and Middle East articles seems to me the obvious thing to do. And so on. I do not consider "it does not fit our hierarchy" a valid reason for deletion. (WT-en) Pashley 23:45, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Keep - Geographical features such as major mountain ranges provide an alternative way of viewing travel. If I wanted to visit the Andes it would be useful to know which countries, and which parts of those countries, contain the Andes. - (WT-en) Huttite 06:00, 3 November 2009 (EST)

title: Talk:Andes