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Wikivoyage talk:Meetups

Meetups
Moved from travellers' pub by (WT-en) Evan

So, Maj and I will be travelling to London and Cambridge this month to do research for a book we're working on, and we'd love to meet up with Wikivoyagers in those towns while we're there. Thinking about this made me wonder if it's not a good idea to do general meetups for Wikivoyagers, like on http://www.meetup.com/. I mean, how fun would it be to go to a regularly-scheduled Wikivoyage meetup in Bangkok or Buenos Aires...?

I think maybe using the meetup.com interface is a fine way to organize the meetings, and they seem to have good karma, although I haven't done any of the meetups there yet. I wonder if anyone has an opinion about this? --(WT-en) Evan 14:37, 5 Feb 2004 (EST)
 * Hi, Great ! If you come to Geneva, I invite you for a cheese fondue. ;o) (WT-en) Yann 15:30, 5 Feb 2004 (EST)

 * That's a deal! By the way, we have two Wikivoyagers I know of on Lac Leman -- (WT-en) Mark and (WT-en) Allegra both live in Lausanne. --(WT-en) Evan 15:57, 5 Feb 2004 (EST)

 * I'll meet anybody who comes to Frankfurt. No problem. I can also easily travel anyplace in Europe that has an international airport -- but even though I have plenty of vacation days left, my work has this tendency to ruin my travel plans whenever I make them. -- (WT-en) Nils 18:17 Feb 18th, 2004 CET

Experienced editors in London for a possible edit-a-thon?
I was talking to someone from Wikimedia UK recently along the lines of "wouldn’t it be neat if we could improve the London Wikivoyage guides before Wikimania 2014." (Most are just useable at the moment.) He suggested running an edit-a-thon but this is where it fell down. He’s run edit-a-thons before but doesn’t know anything about Wikivoyage, while I know nothing about either. After pondering this, I think it would be better to try to pass the idea on to someone else. I’m not sure how it would work, or even if it would go ahead, but, if it did, it would probably be with a mix of new editors and curious Wikipedians. (Wikivoyage policy is apparently a stumbling block for the latter.) So, are there any experienced Wikivoyage editors in the London area who might be available to help run an edit-a-thon? If anyone is interested, I can point both parties in the other’s direction and let them see what they can do. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 13:33, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Quick question: is an edit-a-thon the same thing as a Collaboration? PerryPlanet (talk) 17:34, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Additionally, you might want to look in to whatever is going on over here. PerryPlanet (talk) 17:41, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * An edit-a-thon is an event in which people work together in person to build content on a wiki. See this. --Saqib (talk) 17:47, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Saqib's link explains it in more detail but, in summary, it is a little like a collaboration except that everyone is physically in the same room and there may be a tutorial element. The last part is why an experienced Wikivoyager would be needed; they might need to teach some or all of the attendees how bits of Wikivoyage works and probably answer a few questions.  (I exaggerated a little about knowing nothing; I just don't know nearly about either, although I have been to one edit-a-thon and I've made it to a mighty triple digits in my Wikivoyage edit count.) - AdamBMorgan (talk) 21:12, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikimedia UK has an office in London and would, I am certain be happy to host this, if it happens. Mozilla spaces in central London have hosted these in the past and are another possibility. Alternatively the Wikimania organisers might be able to get the Barbican to act as host. Check out the wikimania wiki Filceolaire (talk) 22:56, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh my, that's quite brilliant! Do let me know whenever you host that if I can participate as a semi-experienced Wikivoyager but not Wikimania participant or anyway else involved in Wikimedia. I would love to come to London and join in the effort and help in any way I could (if I indeed could and if you'd let me know early enough for me to make my bookings). I guess we'd need a workshop or two on district division to start with, but this could be concurrent to other efforts, as it is quite easy to move stuff between districts if arranged properly. PrinceGloria (talk) 06:32, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

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Wikivoyage talk:Microformats

Scope
I'd like to keep this page focused on Wikivoyage's support of uf's: what we already support or will support soon. If there are suggestions for new implementations, they should either go on the appropriate talk pages or on wts:technical requests. I think that descriptions of particular uf's should be left up to http://microformats.org/ -- this isn't the place for it. --(WT-en) Evan 17:57, 25 November 2006 (EST)

 * See my recent comment on your talk page. The descriptions are limited to only what's needed to set context - and answer the questions which you yourself raised. (WT-en) Andy Mabbett 18:01, 25 November 2006 (EST)

Suggestions and ideas
I've moved the following suggestions and ideas from the project page to this discussion page. --(WT-en) Evan 18:03, 25 November 2006 (EST)
 * You've also - again - wiped my text about Geo. (WT-en) Andy Mabbett 18:11, 25 November 2006 (EST)

hReview
hReview could be used to mark up opinions of, say, restaurants or pubs. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Pigsonthewing (talk • contribs)

 * Actually, we don't have opinionated reviews on Wikivoyage. We strive for objective, consensus content. So this probably won't happen. --(WT-en) Evan 18:04, 25 November 2006 (EST)

 * Fair enough, but that's not how pages I've read come across. (WT-en) Andy Mabbett 18:07, 25 November 2006 (EST)

hAtom
hAtom is used for marking up "feeds". (WT-en) Andy Mabbett

Wikipedia and rel-tag
Wikipedia is a "name space" for rel-tag microformat. Any link to an article's corresponding Wikipedia article (leastways, those without punctuation in the final part) can safely be marked-up with a rel="tag" attribute. (WT-en) Andy Mabbett 16:51, 26 November 2006 (EST)

Microformats
Archived from the Pub:

What's the best place to propose and discuss the use of hCard and Geo microformats in Wikivoyage? (WT-en) Pigsonthewing 07:39, 25 November 2006 (EST)

 * Have a look at Project:RDF and Project:RDF Expedition. -- (WT-en) Ryan 13:21, 25 November 2006 (EST)

 * Thanks. I've also caught up with Evan's work on microformats. I hope that Project:Microformats, which I've just created, will be useful. (WT-en) Andy Mabbett 16:02, 25 November 2006 (EST)

Are those still used?
I just found them linked from somewhere with the "Porject" thingy, which is usually a dead giveaway for outdatedness on policy pages. Is this still a thing? Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:40, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

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Wikivoyage talk:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) milestones

First time the Recent Changes turns over in less than 24 hours

First time the travelwiki server keels over under the strain of too many requests.

First specialised travelwiki search script created

First time a script has to be removed for rendering the database unusable...

First flamewar

First person to leave the project in a huff

LOL I'm not really serious... I see pleasing signs of contribution while I've been sick - I haven't been pushed off the Recent Changes table in three days, but it's getting close. I'll try to start contributing again now I'm not flat on my back(WT-en) KJ 20:21, 21 Aug 2003 (PDT)

--

Can I claim First Wikitravel Field Researcher title if I travel to the Deutsches Museum in Munich this week and write about it? ;-) Obviously nobody else has put a claim to that yet here, so... :-) --(WT-en) Nils 06:06, 22 Mar 2004 (EST)

3000 articles !
The 3 languages projects together have more than 3000 articles ! (WT-en) Yann 05:47, 30 Jul 2004 (EDT)

2500 articles
Chichester seems to be the 2500th article on the English Wikitravel — worth publicizing on the front page? (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:19, 23 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Yes! --(WT-en) Evan 14:01, 23 Sep 2004 (EDT)

An Other Milestone?
One of our Project:Milestones is the "First report of someone using Wikitravel article(s) for travel". See Talk:Taiwan Isn't that our milestone? -- (WT-en) Hansm 13:56, 2004 Sep 23 (EDT)

 * Now it is! (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:26, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)

4000 articles
If I am not mistaken, the English version has more than 4000 real articles (whatever real means ;-)) Sadly it wasn't me marking number 4000... (WV-en) Felix.

Factbookectomy
Swept in from the Pub:

Ahem.

As far as I can tell, there are no articles left in Wikitravel (not counting archives or reference copies) which consist entirely, primarily, or substantially of CIA World Factbook imports.

If you manage to find any, please plunge forward and fix it yourself.

I do have to say: de-factbooking the last few dozen remaining imports the past couple days was a rather interesting excursion through many tiny little islands, some vast swaths of Africa, and... how did Mexico manage to go so long without a full factbookectomy?

- (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 15:02, 5 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Congratulations! Here's a millstone milestone to wear around your neck. Would you happen to remember what was the last one? (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:03, 7 June 2006 (EDT)

Breadcrumbs
Archived from the Pub:

Project:Milestones mentions getting all CIA factbook imports edited away. I think all the external links sections are gone. I've been hitting "random page" and finding breadcrumbless articles to fix, but that works poorly now; most articles have the navigation hierarchy breadcrumbs. Is there a way to search for all articles without breadcrumbs? Maybe we could fix them all and declare another milestone. (WT-en) Pashley 21:26, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

 * I think all the external links sections are gone - two left: Buying or renting a car in Australia -&- Hitchhiking in Europe ~ 203.144.143.5 05:43, 27 September 2006 (EDT)

 * I dont think we'll ever be completely breadcrumbed - people will always create articles and leave them without the isin, so it's probably not worth putting on the milestone page! (WT-en) Tim 17:51, 30 October 2006 (EST)

 * Just curious; why not put the isIn tag in the blank page template? --(WT-en) justfred 18:46, 30 October 2006 (EST)

 * I just did that for the blank region template because I was getting tired of writing it in myself. Hopefully not a problem! --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 20:05, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

One million edits on en:
Not an "official" milestone, but it's interesting to note that the English Wikitravel surpassed 1,000,000 edits today. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:32, 4 November 2008 (EST)

 * Who hit the milestone? (WT-en) Nrms 08:40, 4 November 2008 (EST)

 * I don't think there's any way to find out (at least after it happened), Special:Statistics just reports the total count. (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:33, 7 November 2008 (EST)

20,000
Swept in from the pub:

almost there people woo hoo --72.73.88.235 11:49, 22 November 2008 (EST)

 * We've hit it! → Sarrebruck. Sadly, our 20,000th article is in French... --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:29, 22 November 2008 (EST)

 * Seriously, dude, isn't it Fort Saskatchewan? After I created it I looked at the main page and it turned to 20,000 I remember precisely!  I know!  Keep Smiling, (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee]  .T.A.L.K. 15:36, 22 November 2008 (EST).

 * Ack, you are right—I jumped on that too quickly. Anyway, I'm glad that our 20,000th isn't an accidental article in French ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:45, 22 November 2008 (EST)

 * Haha, Peter you're hilarious! So long as that's cleared up I'm happy to have contributed to such a monumental thing.  Keep Smiling, (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee]  .T.A.L.K. 15:47, 22 November 2008 (EST).
 * Funny thing is, there is already an article in French for that destination! --(WT-en) AHeneen 03:42, 24 November 2008 (EST)
 * It looks like one was copied from the other -- note the [edit] links in the prose on the fr: version. (WT-en) LtPowers 08:40, 24 November 2008 (EST)

50k articles
I've already posted this message on Shared, but wanted to make sure people here didn't miss it:

FYI, we're about to hit 50,000 articles across all language versions in the next two–three weeks or so! Sounds to me like a good time for a press release, preferably in multiple languages. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:54, 17 August 2009 (EDT)

 * To that end I've been keeping stats on a google spreadsheet as long back as the data is uniform, was going to upload the graphs when we hit the mark, but if someone does a press release, it might be useful to have the spreadsheet and graphs (note that I'm on a really wide screen so it's probably going to look rubbish on narrower screens :oD )--(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 17:39, 17 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Curiously we'll hit around 2 million total edits at just about the same time if I'm not mistaken --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 17:40, 17 August 2009 (EDT)

It's official wts:Multilingual statistics -- Wikitravel now has 50076 articles! (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:51, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Double posting again (from Shared): my comment looks a little silly now! I think we actually hit 50,000 articles at 06:44, 17 August 2009 GMT. And the 50,000th article was en:Charlotte Pass. (If I haven't made any accounting errors.)  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:48, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

 * I'll take your word for it, but can I ask how you figured that out? (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:59, 22 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Accounting error #1 discovered—it should be en:Khancoban at 07:00, 17 August 2009 GMT.

 * I checked the newpages logs across all language versions that increased their page count over the last period. There were 78 articles created from 00:00 17 August 2009 CST (Chicago time: GMT-5) to the time of the StatScript update. From there, it was just a matter of finding which was the third article created on 17 Aug (on Chicago time), and that's Khancoban. I'd trust this better, though, if someone else looked into it and came up with the same result.

 * The only part of this work that was a pain was having to log in to all these versions & setting the date/time in my preferences for each and every one...  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:13, 22 August 2009 (EDT)

Wikitravel in the news
Swept in from the pub:

Australian news sites have Wiki threat to guidebooks running in the travel section at the moment - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 23:05, 12 March 2011 (EST)

First bans
I removed the "first banned user" and "first banned IP" as milestones as I don't think those are events worth recording for posterity. If anyone disagrees please revert and we can discuss, but this page generally captures good events in Wikitravel's history, and bans are not good events. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:33, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Big number, big number
Folks, we have surpassed 25,000 articles on the English version of Wikitravel, and we hardly knew it! (Partially because StatScript seems to need some repairs.) The honors appear to have gone out on 17 June 2011 to the modest country town of Trowbridge, Wiltshire in the southwest of England. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:23, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

 * Dear old Trowbridge. That's probably the most important thing that town has ever been involved in :) --(WT-en) Burmesedays 20:48, 8 August 2011 (EDT)

Vfd discussion
Moved discussion from Travellers' pub.

There are several WT project pages that have nothing to do with Wikivoyage and are not needed for historical purposes. We will develop our own history as time passes and these pages are from a fork that really has nothing to do with us and are not needed for any type of history that applies to Wikivoyage. I think these pages and links to them should be deleted. And any other pages that apply to WT only and are not needed to justify policies we are continuing on Wikivoyage. All of these pages will have equivalent Wikivoyage pages now and in the future. If someone wants to know the information covered in those pages, then they should visit WT. What are the thoughts of others? Should we start a discussion page on this? - Tom Holland (Xltel) (talk) 07:34, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Project:10K Party
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) awards
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) milestones
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) press coverage
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) logo contest
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) logo contest entries
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) logo contest results
 * Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) logo voting page
 * Oppose. Bear in mind that the history of Wikitravel up to the last data dump IS our history, along with the history of Wikivoyage between the fork and the reconnect, and all that has happened since. We who were Wikitravel have no need to pretend that we were not Wikitravel. Our disagreement was not with the community of contributors or with our past, it was with IB, who in spite of owning the name and the server, are not the people or the content. I do not support suppression or denial of that history. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 12:07, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand your point and I agree totally that Wikitravel is "MY" history and our history and I am not ever going to pretend it was not my/our history. This is "our" history and I am not suggesting anyone pretend we did not come from Wikitravel or that there is any disagreement with the Wikitravel community in the past. I have been a big part of that Wikitravel past very active as an Administrator/contributor and will be a part of the future of WV. I have tried my best to help WV with edits and cleanup where I could and will continue. But as time goes on some of these older pages may get a bit more muddy and confusing to new Wikivoyagers. We have changed "Wikitravel" to "Wikivoyage" just about everywhere on the site including talk pages when were talking specifically about Wiki""travel"". To be honest I don't really like that very much and it causes additional confusion in my opinion, but I figured there were legal issues (I apologize I have not read all the comments and discussions in that area). I never thought it was a purge of "our" history. When I was on Wikitravel in my past life and put comments on a talk pages and mentioned Wikitravel it was about Wikitravel, but now all my references and everyone's references to Wikitravel have been changed to Wikivoyage. If you go to User talk:Xltel/Mar 2006 you can see where I was welcomed to "Wikivoyage" in December 2005, but we know that is not the case. I am now on Wikivoyage and as we go forward I expect we will get farther apart from the content, policies, goals and overall objectives of Wikitravel. New people will have new ideas and as time goes on we will move farther apart from where WT and WV are now. Please don't think I have any difference in agreement whatsoever in your comments, just looking for some better organization on the old Wikitravel content going forward, maybe deleting is not the solution and possibly the way it is now is the best way to keep it. My comment on not needing it for historical purposes really applies to they are not needed to explain development of policy. Obviously, there is no rush or need to delete anything and we can discuss organization of our history going forward. Happy New Year! - Tom Holland (Xltel) (talk) 17:40, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Tom, next time when you nominate something for deletion, please do so at Votes for deletion. @Peter, I agree with you but then at-least we should have some information on this site about our (WV) background so that people who will join this community sooner may learn about our history. Happy new year everybody! --Saqib (talk) 18:46, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I agree with Peter. These historical pages should be kept, albeit perhaps in an archive section or tagged as historical.
 * I also agree with Tom, and perhaps go farther than he would. To me it seems obvious that, except where there are compelling legal reasons not to, the WT->WV substitutions on talk pages should all be undone. Pashley (talk) 20:51, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I concur, though I fear it may be too late for the latter. LtPowers (talk) 22:16, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The WT→WV substititions are particularly annoying on pages such as User:(WT-en) IBobi, where it says that Internet Brands owns Wikivoyage. It would be nice to have those undone, but maybe there are legal reasons not to. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:49, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * We should try and undo substitutions that don't make sense by hand. Most substitutions were OK, though, since most mentions are just referring to our project, and it is the same project, albeit with less-douchey hosts and a different name. --Peter Talk 23:53, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Keep per Peter S. --Peter Talk 23:53, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Outcome: kept. --Peter Talk 22:50, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Log
Where can I find logs for before 2013? 208.91.96.21 12:32, 20 May 2014 (UTC)


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Wikivoyage talk:List of content re-users

"www.wikivoyage.net"???
Can anybody explain what's the story behind "The Wikivoyage Mirror" with the ambingously similar address http://www.wikivoyage.net ? It seems to access the original wikivoyage.org database and makes deep links onto some wikivoyage.org pages. The ugly difference between the "mirror" and the original is an additional link collection and an advertising banner on each page. --(WT-en) Hansm 15:17, 2004 Jun 5 (EDT)

 * I don't know what it is, but comparing its content with some of my contributions it is certainly a good month out of date. Obviously we cannot complain about this site's use of wikivoyage content, but I'm personally a bit miffed about the way it is masquarading as a mirror, when clearly it is a very poor mirror, if at all. (WT-en) Chris j wood 19:14, 5 Jun 2004 (EDT)

 * It looks as if the site's owner tries to make money with confused people that misstype the URL. Follwing the link "My Sites", you are lead to a list of so called "mirrors" that all work the same way: They are a partly outdated copy of free licensed sites, often with some advertising banners added. I think there is at least one point about that we could complain. The "mirror" pretents to be the original and deep links the real wikivoyage when you click on the "edit" item. This is a very dirty way of "mirroring". Of course, in the footer there is a short remark that the pages base on wikivoyage.org, but that does not seem to be enough. For me, it were all right if it would just mirror the content and make obvious that the "edit", "discussion" etc. faetures are done on the original wikivoyage site. -- (WT-en) Hansm 05:52, 2004 Jun 6 (EDT)

 * But unlike the other "mirrors" we dealt with before, this one gives proper credit. There's no "thou shalt not make money off the content" clause in the license. Nor is there a clause "you must be up to date". I really don't see any angle from which you could stop this guy. Hell, they even redirect the "Edit" links to wikivoyage.org, which is the way it should be. Of course I agree what he's doing is immoral - linking to "directories" as "yahoos.info" is as scummy as they come. -- Nils

 * * It is definitely misleading. On www.wikivoyage.net: "Wikivoyage is a project ..." and "So far we have 2350 destination" On en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/article/Wikivoyage:About : "The project was begun in July of 2003 by the two founders, Evan and Maj." Together it is a false claim that, they "wikivoyage.net" are the project started by Evan and Maj.
 * * It is not a mirror if they alter it
 * * They violate the license: "Article text and images licensed under a Creative Commons License.". This must mean that their ads are not under CC.
 * Anyway, I think we should start calling "wikivoyage" "wikivoyage.org" instead. E.g. in the logo, and on the main page.
 * -- (WT-en) elgaard 10:09, 2004 Oct 8 (EDT)

Listings which are not mirrors
I remoeved the following two listings....

 * Travelgaido. Just put this site up and it is still early days. Having issues with showing pictures and links back to Wikivoyage for editing. Would really have preferred to use a data dump to create the site.

 * Webcam Galore. I have integrated the english and german version. They link back to Wikivoyage for editing and to the original pages. Pages that weren't properly imported are redirected to the original pages at Wikivoyage.

...because I couldn't see any mirror content from wikivoyage on there. I hpresume these used to be mirrors, but now no longer have anything from wikivoyage on there. Another possibility is that they are spam entries sneakily added to this page. But spammers aren't that clever, so it's a unlikely I think. ...or it's possible there is wikivoyage content there, I just didn't see it. -- (WT-en) Harry Wood 04:52, 14 August 2006 (EDT)

Risk of losing all our work?
Swept in from pub:

I'm really sorry if this is a FAQ but I did look around and found only a few open tech requests on wikivoyage shared...

I see that the wikivoyage site is supported by a company who (as I understand it) make their money publishing printed copies of wikivoyage information. I wholeheartedly applaud the way the site seems to be run in a very open way with the CC-SA licence, even though that means they might lose business. I don't expect them to make it easy for other people to download wikivoyage in its entirely (using their bandwidth), but I do worry that if something happens to them or (no offence, just speculating) they had a change of policy, the site might go down and all this CC-SA content would be lost, without any option for anyone else to take bits or even re-host the whole site. Even though legally all the content is reproducible it's no good if no one can download it. Does anyone know if there are mirrors, covenants about snapshots being available if (say) they go bust or ability for interested people to download a snapshot of the entire site, just as a safeguard?--(WT-en) Zorn 19:24, 7 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Wikivoyage Press doesn't host the site. Internet Brands do, so the risk lies there.
 * There are some mirrors of sorts - see Project:mirrors, and I imagine some others have private copies of the data, but there is no full database export facility provided. You can download the data in its entirety using their bandwidth, just adhere to the terms of use, and don't overload the site.  There are also other sites like Wikivoyage who have previously hinted that they would welcome wikivoyagers, and may be well placed to step in.  It is a risk, sure.  If the site went off-air tomorrow, and Internet Brands had its assets seized, it is difficult to see where wikivoyagers could regroup, and it would be a real setback for the project.  I don't believe the content would be completely lost, however. --(WT-en) inas 20:20, 7 July 2009 (EDT)

Triposo, copypasta and site ranking
In case you haven't noticed (probably this has already been discussed elsewhere), the travel site Triposo uses our content (example). I ran into that example by accident when looking if content in our Neringa article was copypasted from elsewhere (which it by the way was).

Another interesting thing was that the search results I got when googling one sentence from what was in our article was: #1 the WT article, #2 Triposo, #3 a web page stating they're using content from WT, #4 the page from where the text presumably was stolen from. But Wikivoyage did not show up among the search results at all. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:15, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

 * Triposo is citing Wikivoyage, and linking to Wikivoyage, which is exactly what we need to increase our ranking in the long term.
 * They are not "stealing", on the contrary we should be proud that they re-use our content. The goal of Wikimedia is to distribute knowledge, serving web pages is not a goal in itself. If Triposo finds efficient ways to get the content to people, while respecting the license, that's a good thing, I would say :-) Nicolas1981 (talk) 04:44, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it's a good thing that others are using our content, I just wanted to know if people are aware of Triposo. They are using the cc-by-sa 3.0 license as well, so there's no license conflict. Actually we should have some kind of Hall of Fame for sites using our content. :) ϒpsilon (talk) 05:22, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * List of content re-users. Nurg (talk) 10:12, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

New copycat site – en.triper.org
This is their version of Mungo National Park, which almost exactly duplicates ours. It has some slight modifications, but with no attribution given. Similarly, this is their version of Yosemite National Park, this is their version of Canada and this is their version of Percé. The only changes I can see they've made is that the coordinates have been removed, the map has been moved to the right sidebar with no coordinates on it, and there's a random hotel section just before #Understand and apart from it, they've basically almost copied an entire WMF project. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:45, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

 * I recommend emailing info@, per m:Wikimedia Foundation Legal department. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:47, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are interested in enforcement, then w:en:Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks#Non-compliance process lists the process. You own the copyright to your content.  The WMF does not own the copyright, and is not your lawyer (and according to their lawyers, it would be an unethical conflict of interest for them to become any volunteers' lawyers), and therefore the WMF cannot send DMCA takedowns notice on your behalf. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:33, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, correct: they represent intellectual property of the non-profit, such as its trademark, which is not being violated here. Thanks. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:41, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm aware that the WMF does not own the copyright, but in this case, they have copied an entire Wikimedia project. It's not just what I wrote and it's not limited to the English Wikivoyage as well. This is a copy of Lisbon copied off eswikivoyage and there seems to be some other languages as well. I don't really mind the content I added being on a mirror site, to me, I'd just like it to be read but there are some who may not feel the same way. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:17, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I find it puzzling that a page such as wikipedia:Mirrors and forks exists on en-wiki, but not on other wmf language/sister project sites. It appears that users who have been blocked on enwiki for various reasons, are not expected to contribute to this community effort? Ottawahitech (talk) 18:09, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * d:Q11052397#sitelinks-wikipedia lists 23 different wikis with that page. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:58, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I find it funny that they didn't remove the main page nom template from pages like Lisbon Tai123.123 (talk) 00:23, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The main page nom template is still on Lisbon. But the site seems to be cache based. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:25, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes I know, their main page seems from September and they presumably won't feature Lisbon on their main page Tai123.123 (talk) 00:27, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Their Destinations page reads: "Wikivoyage offers 30,962 travel articles, covering destinations around the world. There are numerous ways to browse the site...." Ground Zero (talk) 02:41, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * lol, it gets even more humorous when looking at their main page – without a carousel, but with three stacked banners. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:10, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Not going to lie, their main page looks rather "interesting"
 * They even have a little something on Game of Thrones tourism Roovinn (talk) 08:49, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There are a few copycat websites floating around the web. I recall coming across a certain "Visual Wikipedia" website back then (that was like almost 10-12 years back) Roovinn (talk) 08:51, 14 January 2022 (UTC)


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Moved from Project:votes for deletion by (WT-en) Evan

 * Project:Most wanted articles - seems to be junk just like the above, but created by someone else. I wonder how it happens? -- (WT-en) Hypatia 13:06, 15 Sep 2004 (EDT)
 * Delete. -(WT-en) phma 20:58, 16 Sep 2004 (EDT)
 * Keep. These are side-effect articles created when you do a query. They were added to MediaWiki (our wiki software) by Wikipedia, because they have such a high load that they often turn off this kind of informative query. They're harmless, and I'm pretty sure that they'll just be recreated next time someone runs the query. I'll try and disable this "feature" in the future. --(WT-en) Evan 15:28, 17 Sep 2004 (EDT)

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Wikivoyage talk:Namespace index

Purpose
howdy. I was wondering what the goal of this page is and how it differs from the Project:Help page. Is it just another index? Should it be both wiki-utils like talk, edit, etc and wikivoyage specific issues like article templates and style? Just want to be sure I'm adding the right stuff... thanks (WT-en) Majnoona

 * It seems like it could be useful for people who know what they're looking for, but don't know exactly how to find it. It's probably a good idea. -- (WT-en) Evan 21:59, 8 Aug 2003 (PDT)

Article name
Would anyone object to moving this page to Project:Namespace index? The current name makes me think of tools to use with Wikivoyage (ie Project:Software tools) instead of a list of all pages within the Wikivoyage namespace. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 15:22, 24 Sep 2005 (EDT)

 * Hello? Anyone have any objections or alternate suggestions?  Otherwise I'll go ahead and make the move. -- (WT-en) Ryan 02:03, 6 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * Done. -- (WT-en) Ryan 02:19, 14 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * What do you call it when you agree with an idea so much that you don't even bother to say, "I agree"? Anyways, this was a good idea. Thanks for taking the initiative and doing it. --(WT-en) Evan 11:00, 14 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * Cool. It's always a tough call around here whether something isn't getting comment due to lack of objection, or due to the fact that no one noticed the question.  Usually, however, actually diving in and making a change causes those in the second group to sit bolt upright and take notice.  Glad to hear that in this case the peanut gallery mostly consisted of group #1. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 13:09, 14 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Wow! I didn't even know this page existed! This is pretty cool... -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 13:54, 14 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Organizational hierarchy
Anyone have any suggestions as to how to better organize this page? The original page was simply in alphabetical order, so I made an attempt to break up the new page, but it could still use a lot of work to make it more useful. Please go ahead and add any new headings and move anything around if you feel it will help. -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:51, 21 March 2006 (EST)

Replace this page with categories?
This page has always been kind of a mess, and it's proven difficult to maintain over time. It's still a useful list, but it would be nicer if we had a more automated way of creating it. Project:Categories have proven useful on Wikivoyage Shared, so perhaps the organization of the "Wikivoyage:" namespace (and ONLY the "Wikivoyage:" namespace) could be handled in a similar way? A template could be used to hide the actual implementation and then we could create three simple top-levels: "introduction" (faq, goals, welcome pages), "community" (policies not related to editing) and "content" (policies related to editing). Thoughts? Evan, is there another way this could be handled since you don't like categories? -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:05, 9 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Well, we already have Project:Help, Project:Policies and guidelines, and Project:Manual of style. I'm not sure what categories give us here. --(WT-en) Evan 20:19, 9 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Looking at the list of people that link to Project:Namespace index from their user pages, and noting the number of people who don't link but who have at one time or another said this page is useful, it's clear that there are a number of users who like having a page that lists all available references. The pages you mention above are the three "top-level" help pages, but you will never find (for example) Project:Spam filter from any of those pages, and other policies might take some searching.

 * It would be nice if there was an automated way of creating indexes so that someone interested in (for example) the spam filter could simply look through a list to find any guideline article having to do with spam. Using categories with the MediaWiki pages would accomplish that since editors would know to add an organizational template to the page, and the category page would then automatically update.  We could then get rid of the Project:Namespace index page which is out-of-date and rather confusing.  Granted, the category lists wouldn't replace Project:Help & friends, but would supplement them by acting as an index of the help policies. We can make it very clear that new categories should not be created without discussion (as has already been stated elsewhere) if that's a concern. -- (WT-en) Ryan 20:45, 9 June 2006 (EDT)

Country-specific mos info
OK, I've given up looking for this. I swear we had a lengthy discussion on creating small MoS pages for specific countries, but I can't find it for the life of me. And didn't we create one of them for the U.S.? I hope this isn't dementia pugilistica or something. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:08, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

 * Project:Manual of style for the US, Talk:United States of America/Archive 2003-2005 ? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:40, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Thank you! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:00, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

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Is the Template: namespace left out because it is not to be used? Seems to work for me as in this example (alternative syntax to Template:Paris_arrondissements ) -(WT-en) Wikibob | Talk 21:01, 2004 Oct 13 (EDT)

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