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Wine brands
I removed the following wine producers from the Drink section because it doesn't actually tell me anything.

Local producers include:
 * Boutari (regions: Peloponnese, Crete, Goumenissa, Santorini, Naoussa).
 * Skouras (region of Peloponnese). Good selection found in several tourist shops in Nafplion.
 * Mercouri Estate (region of Peloponnese).
 * Gentilini (region of Kefalonia). Recommended by Dorling Kindesley's Eyewitness Travel Guides: Greek Islands, 2001;
 * region of Santorini:
 * Canava Argyros.
 * Volcan Wines . Also, a Volcan Wine Museum.
 * Santo Wines.

 * region of Crete:
 * Peza Union
 * Sitia Agricultural Cooperatives Union
 * Creta Olympias Winery
 * Minos Wines.
 * Lyrarakis Wines
 * Douloufakis Wines
 * Michalakis Winery
 * Tsantali

Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:12, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Sensitive topics and Grexit?
I guess we have few Greek contributors or contributors with recent Greek travel experience.

The 'Respect' section makes no mention at all about recent events with the IMF/German/EU bailouts, and how Greek people perceive them.

It seems odd to leave out, however I wouldn't want to guess how Greek people feel about it. Perhaps anyone else with good Greek experience can add? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 02:32, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

 * Money and currency are already addressed at Greece, although the cautionbox should be updated, depending on whether banks open tomorrow. K7L (talk) 03:09, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

 * Currency is a practical issue and has indeed been addressed. I was specifically asking about Respect and Sensitive topics sections. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 05:25, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Greece hierarchy
The hierarchy for Greece seems to be wrong. Central Greece and Northern Greece redirect to Central and Northern Greece. We should split this page into 2 pages, one for Central and one for Northern Greece as user:Handrian suggested in the talk page. Furthermore "Central Greece" is the English translation for "Sterea Ellada". They are not two distinct regions. It's the same region encompassing Attica as well. Here my attempt: --Gobbler (talk) 18:16, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Greece
 * Central Greece (Sterea Ellada in Greek) - Aetolia-Acarnania, Attica, Boeotia, Euboea, Evrytania, Phocis, and Phthiotis
 * Peloponnese - Achaea, Arcadia (Greece), Argolis, Corinthia, Laconia (Greece), Messenia and Mani Peninsula
 * Northern Greece - Epirus (?), Macedonia (Greece), Thessaly (?), and Western Thrace
 * Greek Islands - Cyclades, Dodecanese,  East Aegean Islands (?), Ionian Islands, North Aegean Islands, Saronic Gulf Islands, Sporades Islands.
 * I like the sound of it. I have recently been expanding the article about Ancient Greece and had the same feelings of a need for a good overhaul on this breadcrumb structure. The proposed division makes good sense, geographically and historically. I support it. Ibaman (talk) 18:29, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

 * This sounds much better and actually makes sense. If there's enough support, I suppose we'll want to see what can be salvaged from the old pages to put into the new designations. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 19:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Looks OK (though as I said I don't really know Greece, despite my user name :)). Northern Greece seems to be geographically fairly large compared to the other regions. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:36, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Northern Greece in the strict sens refers to Macedonia and Thrace. Sometimes incorporates Epirus but rarely Thessaly. See Northern Greece --Gobbler (talk) 20:21, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not overly familiar with Greece, but a couple of thoughts I had are:
 * I don't understand why the Ionian Islands are in the same region as the various Aegean Islands. Other than they're all Greek Islands, the Ionian Islands are on the other side of the country, with no direct travel connections to the Aegean Islands that I can see. Given their travel connections to Epirus and Epirus seems to be kind-of in and kind-of not part of Northern Greece, would it make sense to create a separate western region for Epirus and the Ionian Islands?
 * If Thessaly isn't really part of Northern Greece or Central Greece, can it be a top level region of its own? It seems to have enough content at least. -Shaundd (talk) 23:23, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Here is another suggestion, similar to the one suggested by User:Gobbler, I think this one is better for a traveler:
 * Greece
 * Attica
 * Central Greece - Boeotia, Euboea, Evrytania, Phocis, and Phthiotis
 * Peloponnese - Achaea, Arcadia (Greece), Argolis, Corinthia, Laconia (Greece), Messenia and Mani Peninsula
 * Northern Greece - Macedonia (Greece), Western Thrace and North Aegean Islands (?)
 * Thessaly
 * Western Greece - Epirus, Ionian Islands, Aetolia-Acarnania
 * Aegean Islands - Cyclades, Dodecanese,  East Aegean Islands, Saronic Gulf Islands, Sporades Islands.
 * Crete
 * --Handrian (talk) 04:47, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * As a starting point for discussion, I suggest we first agree on the general principle to split Central and Northern Greece by two regions. I would prefer "Central Greece", for the article title given the English-speaking audience here. Any question? --Gobbler (talk) 09:09, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

 * I support the split. And suggest the maintenance of Thessaly in Northern Greece, for simplicity. Ibaman (talk) 11:36, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * We have split Central and Northern Greece, I suggest we split Thessaly out of Northern Greece also. We will have to draw a new region map. --Handrian (talk) 02:36, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I can update the map. Are there any more changes to the top-level region structure? -Shaundd (talk) 05:26, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes. there are. Attica is now part of Central Greece. Furthermore there is a discussion in progress on Greek wv, so the map can be updated. I will split Thessaly out of Northern Greece right away. Any objection? --Gobbler (talk) 11:32, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * No objections from me. Are the boundaries of Thessaly the same as the administrative region shown on this map? -Shaundd (talk) 06:03, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, the geographical boundaries match the region administrative boundaries --Gobbler (talk) 12:32, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * We can have the following regions
 * Greece
 * Central Greece - Attica, Boeotia, Euboea, Evrytania, Phocis, and Phthiotis
 * Peloponnese - Achaea, Arcadia (Greece), Argolis, Corinthia, Laconia (Greece), Messenia and Mani Peninsula
 * Northern Greece - Macedonia (Greece), Western Thrace and North Aegean Islands (?)
 * Thessaly
 * Epirus
 * Aegean Islands - Cyclades, Dodecanese,  East Aegean Islands, Saronic Gulf Islands, Sporades Islands.
 * Ionian Islands
 * Crete
 * Or we can keep Aegean Islands and Ionian Islands together as Greek Islands. --Handrian (talk) 06:38, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Although the Ionian Islands and the Aegean Islands are geographically removed from each other, I think it kind of makes sense to keep all of the islands listed together, since the Greek Islands article strives to be a starting point for those that want to take a vacation in one of the islands but don't know exactly which. Vidimian (talk) 09:59, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

 * I support this point of view. Let's have a Greek Islands article, covering all of them on both sides of the mainland, for simplicity and tightness and togetherness. It should even MENTION (not include) Imbros and all of the other islands which belong to Turkey nowadays, under Turkish names, and maybe even Cyprus, Sicily and Majorca for historic completeness. Ibaman (talk) 12:13, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Are we all OK with the following list?
 * Greece
 * Central Greece - Attica, Boeotia, Euboea, Evrytania, Phocis, and Phthiotis
 * Peloponnese - Achaea, Arcadia (Greece), Argolis, Corinthia, Laconia (Greece), Messenia and Mani Peninsula
 * Northern Greece - Macedonia (Greece), Western Thrace
 * Thessaly
 * Epirus
 * Greek Islands - Cyclades, Dodecanese, Ionian Islands,  East Aegean Islands, Saronic Gulf Islands, Sporades Islands, North Aegean Islands.
 * Crete
 * --Handrian (talk) 14:05, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

I updated the region map for Greece to reflect the current region structure on the Greece page. The discussion seems to have gone quiet since then so I haven't included the other changes discussed above. Let me know if I missed anything. Cheers -Shaundd (talk) 05:00, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Region tree
Lot going on this may be useful. --Traveler100 (talk) 12:55, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Consolidation of sites
I noticed, when travelling to Greece some week ago that there is not much relevant information under the country Greece. Even worse, there are so many none-sense pages under Greece filled with barely much (often just a list of cities), that it was even harder to find any relevant information. Therefore, I suggest to consolidate much of the content of Greece into less articles, and not use more than one region level. Of course, if in the future any relevant information would be added, we can increase the granularity again, but for now I would stick with less but meaningful articles.

Hence, if no one objects I will reduce the number of pages for Greece and especially region sub pages, and put the content together into more condensed form.

Cheers, Ceever (talk) 14:37, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Change of page banner
The page banner shows a bridge in Northern Greece in the Rhodope Mountains where hardly any tourist ever goes. In my opinion it is not representative for Greece. Therefore I changed it to the Acropolis of Athens but it was reverted by ThunderingTyphoons. He proposed to discuss if a change to a more typical Greek page banner is better. DocWoKav

 * Please post thumbnails of both banners here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:39, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

instead of

 * Thanks. The Rhodope Mountains banner is a better-quality photo. I'm unconvinced Athens should represent the entire country of Greece, but if it does, we definitely should use a very high-quality photo. Therefore, I support User:ThunderingTyphoons!' reversion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:03, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

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Lockdown
To my surprise the article does not seem (on a quick scan) to mention COVID-19 precautions.

Greece moves up reopening date to June 15 but only from countries with low infection rates. Pashley (talk) 04:38, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

 * I think most countries in the world have applied some sort of restrictions on entry, movement and activities, but we haven't had time to add warnings to all articles. --Ypsilon (talk) 05:13, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

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Hand gestures
Is there any consensus on whether thumbs up/ the OK sign are considered rude in Greece? I seem to find conflicting opinions online (am in Greece right now and accidentally gave the things up a few times which at best didn't seem to be understood!) Should we advise against these gestures completely to be on the safe side? Also maybe we could mention that pointing can be considered rude. Danielt998 (talk) 11:59, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

 * Despite my user name, I haven't had the pleasure to visit Greece yet, but Handrian can maybe answer your question. --Ypsilon (talk) 13:03, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * sorry to stick my South American spoon here uninvited, but IMHO pointing with the index finger (except, maybe, to the stars) IS considered rude and impolite, globally, totally, perhaps an apt Captain Obvious entry. Can I be wrong here? Ibaman (talk) 13:12, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * yeah probably true, at least in the Western World (it is a little rude in the UK too), and I don't think it's hugely rude in Greece, just a little. The other two I mentioned are potentially much more of a concern though Danielt998 (talk) 14:10, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * BTW we have an article about gestures. According to that, thumbs up is seen as rude in Muslim countries but not elsewhere. The finger and thumb "OK" is apparently something to avoid in "certain parts of southern Europe excluding the Iberian peninsula" so there's a good chance it applies to Greece too. There's apparently one more thing not to do in Greece, which is showing your palm.
 * Finally, when discussing inappropriate gestures, I always come to think of this scene from Mr.Bean The Movie :D. --Ypsilon (talk) 14:43, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

 * for the record, the finger and thumb "OK" in Brazil means "your sphincter" and is to be avoided, too. Ibaman (talk) 14:47, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I was going off this. No idea how reliable it is, but it also mentions stuff like nodding and shaking head/yes/no gestures being different. These should definitely be discussed in this article directly if true (if so I have a feeling that that video is painfully close to how I looked earlier!) Danielt998 (talk) 14:53, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * by all means plunge forward and update it with your experience. I have just reread gestures, and am glad about the Dick Nixon anecdote, mentioned in the appropriate section, about what I just said about finger and thumb OK in Brazil. Ibaman (talk) 14:56, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The issue is I've read very conflicting advice, e.g. stuff like this suggests the opposite. I don't know if it depends on context, or even the region of Greece? I will see if I can do a little more research first... Danielt998 (talk) 15:02, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Items from Other destinations
The 'Other destinations' section, like 'Cities', is limited to nine items (the note at the top is pretty clear on this point). Below are the items that user:DocWoKav added. I was going to move them to 'See', but the listy nature of them would spoil the flowing prose of that section. If their author or someone else would like to have a stab at integrating them into their proper places in the article, feel free. Bear in mind they may not all belong in the country article, but rather in one lower in the hierarchy.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:49, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

 * I have a question about that. Do we prefer flowing text over listings in the English WW version? In the German version, the listings in connection with Wikidata are the preferred style (like below ). --DocWoKav (talk) 12:00, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, Region article template says: "Don't give full details about each attraction (use prose, not a listing template)" Ground Zero (talk) 12:35, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering if this list should be broken out as a stand-alone article, linked from the Greece article, with additional descriptions, maps, and photos. Ground Zero (talk) 12:40, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * You mean like UNESCO World Heritage Sites, but just for Greece and with more detail? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:08, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Ancient sites

Byzantine sites

Centers of tourism

 * (Κρήτη) No. 1 tourist destination of Greece
 * (Κέρκυρα, Kérkyra) — large island with many attractions
 * (Σαντορίνη or Θήρα, Thira) — a volcanic island known for its beautiful views, towns and sunsets
 * (Ρόδος, Ródos) — island with ancient monuments, as well as beaches
 * (Μύκονος) — world famous, sophisticated holidays
 * - very scenic peninsulas and one of the centers of Greek beach tourism on the mainland.

Toilet seats
Planning my first visit. I think the article should mention, probably in a section called Cope like the article about Japan, that toilets in Greek public spaces often don't have seats, so visitors can get ready. --Ftrebien (talk) 19:35, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

 * Please plunge forward and edit as you see fit. Vidimian (talk) 08:59, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

 * I think Toilets gives some understanding on the issues. You might want to read and link it. I don't know about Greece, but the Quora thread seemed to mostly talk about things covered there. –LPfi (talk) 19:26, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

 * Squat toilets are not unusual in Europe. Many places in Italy and France have them, too, for example. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Greek Islands

I've started a "quick island finder" on this page, since I've found that a very common question among people planning a trip to Greece is, "How do you decide among all those islands." This is a work in progress and I'd encourage knowledgeable people to add to it. Please keep the formatting, or if you want to change it, change it everywhere. My opinion is that in this list, and on this page generally, there shouldn't be any external links; those belong on the island pages. (WT-en) Sailsetter 11:26, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

Also, please note that Crete and Evvia aren't included on this page for the reasons given there. (WT-en) Sailsetter 11:42, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

Rhodes
Why is Rhodes listed as a seperate region, when it is actually a part of the Dodecanese island? (WT-en) ViMy 07:31, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Probably because it is the largest and most popular one. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 18:25, 31 January 2010 (EST)

"Other destinations"
These shouldn't be cities - which should be in the "Cities" list, until it reaches up to 9 - nor should they be islands, I wouldn't think. Is there any disagreement on this? If not, what should be there, in this instance? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:15, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Aegina
The Saronic island pages treat their port and main town as synonymous with the island, which makes sense - except Aegina which distinguishes them. I don't think this works, the place is only 10 km across, and I propose bringing the town and island pages together. Grahamsands (talk) 19:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

No views, so the city page is now redirected into the island page. Integrating, building and updating that page all follow. Grahamsands (talk) 08:30, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Island classification
Some of the categories are incorrect. For example, as a user mentions above, Rhodes should be in the Dodecanese category and it doesn't matter that it is the biggest island in the group. Also, the division between east and north aegean is wrong. They are the "Northeastern Aegean Islands", so they should be in one category. I tried to change it yesterday, but another user reverted it back to the current form, probably because there isn't a page titled northeastern aegean islands, and I think we can't change the title on an existing page here. So, should I create a new page with the right title and then redirect the articles? —The preceding comment was added by Aknonymm.. (talk • contribs)
 * First go ahead and add the new region, and then we can consider redirecting the other articles. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 21:38, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hold it - what is your complete proposal for regional divisions of Greek Islands? Please lay it all out clearly below. Also, I'm quite unconvinced about Rhodes. It's such a major island that it might be very much in the interest of travelers for it to be given its own region on this site, with it simply being mentioned there and in Dodecanese that Rhodes is in that chain but is covered separately because of its size and variety of attractions. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:43, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * By the way, this is right in the lede of the Rhodes article: "The island is usually counted as one of the Dodecanese, but due to its importance for travelers is considered separately here." What's illogical about that? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:11, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Greek phrasebook

Well, Pierre, when I saw that you were going to start this, I thought: "I should let him know that that's going to be tough without UTF-8." Although I really rarely do this, I'd kind of recommend that you hold off on updating this article until we've got UTF-8 enabled. It was stupid not to use it at first, but frankly when I first installed MediaWiki I didn't trust the UTF-8 support. I'm going to try to get the database converted next week -- see Project:UTF-8 conversion for details. --(WT-en) Evan 16:09, 5 Dec 2003 (PST)

 * Okay. I'll do Portuguese in the meantime and maybe write the pronunciations if I feel like it. -(WT-en) phma

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Talk:Greenland

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Greenland/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.

eskimo
Actually, eskimo is a cree indian word for "eaters of raw flesh"

 * Incorrect. -- (WT-en) Colin 12:46, 9 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * It seems that is one theory, but one that is disputed. See w:Eskimo for a discussion. –LPfi (talk) 08:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Supermarkets
Where should the general info on Supermarkets (see buy) go? It is nice info to know, but it would be terrible to write on each city page. Then again, it doesn't look nice on the country page either.

(WT-en) Clcow 14:37, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

 * The country page is a good place for it. Any general information that applies to places throughout the country should be on that page. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 21:26, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

Divition of Greenland
Tourist organisations and officials have different ways of dividing Greenland:

greenland.com: East as usual. South stops between Iviituut and Paamiut. West stops above Sisimiut, and North is from the Disco bay and all the way to Thule.

greenland-guide.gl: East and South as above, West stops above Sisimiut, North is Disco bay and uummannaq bay and then Qaanaaq is a region by itself.

Official divitions (only in inuit and danish):

Old: 18 small spread over the country, one for each of the major cities.

New (from 2009): only 4: South: Stops 'before' Iviituut. West/East: the West coast from the border of region south to Nuuk. Middle: Only Sisimiut and Maniitsoq. North: as greenland.com.

What is the usual way to divide regions? I would say by coherence and possibility of describing the region as a whole insted of having to always say: in the north we have ... and in the south we have...

Therefore I vote for greenland-guide's division. (WT-en) Clcow 14:36, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

 * The main guideline is to do what makes the most sense for the benefit of the typical traveler. We prefer natural geographic divisions that make it easy to describe each region, rather than official government ones. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 21:26, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

Work Section
It would be nice if we could add something to this section. I wonder how easy or hard it is for a foreigner to find work in Greenland. What kind of jobs are available? English teaching? (WT-en) Daniel32708 04:09, 3 April 2010 (EDT)

Another region division
I believe major changes should be discuused before implementing. User:MadsLumholt proposed using 5 official tourist-regions, I'm not sure, we are not bound to use the official divisions. Jjtkk (talk) 08:14, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

For reference:

Visit Greenland is the official tourist council of Greenland. There are 5 official tourist-regions in Greenland:

Destination North Greenland This region is characterized by huge icebergs, midnight sun and whales in summer, dogsledding and northern lights in winter. Here, in the town of Ilulissat, you will find the famous Ilulissat Ice Fjord that is on Unesco's World Heritage List and numerous small authentic settlements that has preserved the old hunter/fisherman way of life.

The official visitor website is northgreenland.com

Destination Arctic Circle This region is located close around the Arctic Circle on the West coast of Greenland. Sisimiut, the biggest town here is also Greenland's second largest town. This is the only place in Greenland where you can travel far into the land before meeting the ice cap. Dog sledding trips between Sisimiut and Kangerlussuaq (where the international airport is located) is a popular adventure trip, and in summer the trip can be done as a hiking trip. Kangerlussuaq has the most stable weather in Greenland (the only place with continental climate) and it is one of the best places in the World to watch the northern lights.

The official visitor website is arcticcircle.gl

Destination Capital Region In this region you find Greenland's growing capital Nuuk with 16,500 inhabitants (2013). Nuuk is an arctic metropol with shopping centres, museums, culture centres and good restaurants. The Nuuk Fjord is one of the World's largest fjord systems. In the fjord, surrounded by steep mountains, there are several former settlements that are now used as summerhouse areas.

The official visitor website is sermersooq.com

Destination South Greenland South Greenland is more lush with a milder climate than the rest of Greenland. It's the only region with sheep-farming and agriculture in small scale (growing vegetables for the domestic market). It's also the place to see old ruins from the Viking colonies that was there from around 1000 AD to around 1400 AD. You can also bathe in a hot spring surrounded by drifting icebergs.

The official visitor website is southgreenland.gl

Destination East Greenland East Greenland is one of the World's most isolated places. Only two towns are located here on an almost 3,000 km long stretch of coast. Tasiilaq, the main town, is known for it's dramatic and beautiful landscape, dog sledding, hiking and other adventure activities. The local settlements represent the most authentic hunter/fisherman lifestyle. The other town, Ittoqqortoormiit, is located in the outskirts of the World's largest National Reserve, and this is the area in Greenland where you have the biggest chance of seing polar bears and walruses.

The official visitor website is eastgreenland.com

PartOf: North America or Nordic countries
Greenland is geographically part of North America, so having the breadcrumb go there seems natural, but politically Greenland is part of the Nordic countries and I now notice that Get in mentions no possibility to get here from Canada or USA. Round the world overland gives Canada/US to Greenland as one of the problematic passages.

Should we change the PartOf?

--LPfi (talk) 09:59, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Yes it does. A large portion of Greenland addresses this. From "By plane":

 * June through September, two weekly returns from Keflavik Airport in Iceland (Icelandair's hub) to both Nuuk and Narsarsuaq. With plentiful flights between the United States and Iceland, this is by far the easiest way to get to Greenland from North America. It's also the most affordable as it's the only route Air Greenland has any competition on.
 * Also June through September, there is twice weekly service between Iqaluit in Canada and Nuuk. Through codeshare agreements with FirstAir, it is possible to purchase a ticket originating in Ottawa (YOW) from around kr 10,000 ($2,500 return).

There are also numerous charter outfits serving Greenland from Europe and North America, and if you're on a package tour to Greenland from North America, a chartered flight is frequently included. Scientific and technical personnel travelling from North America for research purposes typically fly into Kangerlussuaq aboard New York Air National Guard C-130s.

Greenland's airports are very private aviation-friendly if the weather is right. The name of Greenland's airport service is Mittarfeqarfiit.

From "By boat":

Realistically, there is no ferry service from Europe or North America. Royal Arctic Line is the national freight operator, but they don't take passengers to or from Greenland.

There are cruise ships from both continents that visit Greenland. [end of quoting]

I recall reading somewhere that Greenland is on a path toward independence. Will you still want to consider it part of Europe then? I don't see the point, really. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:40, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

 * OK. I seem to have read the paragraphs carelessly (and to have been less alert, not to think twice). I just stumbled upon Greenland while figuring out how autonomous regions of the Nordic countries were handled (Åland was breadcrumbed directly, bypassing Finland, which seemed strange). Greenland also is the only member of the Nordic council not treated as a region of the Nordic countries, and is listed together with the Baltic countries, which have not been part of the cooperation. It is true that Greenland is getting more and more independence, but I think Greenland is keen to keep the ties to the Nordic countries regardless (I do not know about cooperation with the natives in America, although I suppose that must be going on also). At the moment I have no strong opinion on the matter. --LPfi (talk) 18:19, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Coronavirus
I’m not too familiar with this media outlet, but it has an article about the coronavirus situation in Greenland that may be useful: https://euobserver.com/coronavirus/147980. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 10:32, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Formatting box
I noticed that we don't have a formatting box. Here's one that I propose:

Any objections before I add this? (also, there's a reason for the Canadian spelling as opposed to British English which is what mainland Denmark uses). ? -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:14, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I really cannot imagine that Greenland varies from the Denmark/EU statandard, which is British English. I think that Greenland is far more in Denmark's orbit than in Canada's, because of the tremendous Danish subsidy of the Greenland government. Ground Zero (talk) 02:23, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The reason why I thought of using Canadian spelling is because of Northeast Greenland National Park, which Greenland used British spelling, it would be called "North East Greenland National Park". However, on second thought, I think that page can be an except, just like how we have Southwest National Park in Tasmania (which would be called "South-west National Park" if it used Australian spelling). I'll change it to British per your comment. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:36, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, doing more research, it seems per List of national parks of Denmark, the "Official English name unknown. A WCMC web page uses “North-east Greenland National Park”." So I guess we don't even need to have an exception if Wikipedia just assumed it would be the American spelling. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:40, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

You need a passport!?
I am a bit baffled about our needing to tell people that you need a passport to visit Greenland. In the previous paragraph (i.e. as lead of Get in) we tell that Greenland is not part of Schengen. We go on telling that your passport must be valid for three months after your visit. Do we additionally need to tell that you need a passport? Do we do that for other places? I would think it rather belongs in Travel basics. (I am changing the structure a bit, to more clearly separate the Nordics, and hope that's enough) –LPfi (talk) 13:54, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * If you're not a citizen of an EU or Schengen country, then it's obvious you need a passport. But I think there's a chance citizens of non-Nordic EU and Schengen countries might not be aware that they need a passport to visit Greenland, because they do not need one to visit Denmark proper or the Faroe Islands. The dog2 (talk) 14:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I think Greenland is an adventure for nearly anyone, not somewhere you go just grabbing your suitcase. But OK, I moved the Schengen statement to the lead of the section and added the note there. I think it fits better there. Do you think this is sufficient? LPfi (talk) 07:52, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The note can be good to have, because I believe normally possessions of EU countries that are outside Europe such as French Guyana and the Azores can be visited with an ID card. --Ypsilon (talk) 11:05, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that works for me. The dog2 (talk) 11:28, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Also works for me. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 13:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Green travel

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VFD Outcome
This article was the subject of a 'vote for deletion' discussion. The consensus was to keep the article. A copy of the discussion is below.

 * I'm all for a Green travel article but this is just pushing an online travel agency. I'd say "keep" if someone can figure out how to organize it. Otherwise delete. --(WT-en) Wandering 15:56, 14 January 2008 (EST)

 * Delete unless someone contributes an outline and some meaningful content. ~ 203.144.143.6 16:16, 14 January 2008 (EST)

 * Keep as a travel topic; remove mentions of specific travel agency (2nd and 3rd paragraphs), but mention that such agencies exist. Leave the article as stub and let it grow naturally, as more contributions appear. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:19, 14 January 2008 (EST)

 * Keep but needs work As people are becoming more aware of the environmental impacts when they jet off around the world this page has to be written, more for moral ground than anything else, there are plenty of ways to minimize your impact while you travel the globe, everyone must have one or two, clubbing together (which really is what Wikivoyage is all about) could produce an outstanding article to help guide people to travel both responsibly and enjoy it! (WT-en) Prof Jack 06:55, 17 January 2008 (EST)

 * Keeps and rework as travel topic --(WT-en) Nick 02:08, 20 January 2008 (EST)
 * I have added an outline and some starter info. I think this article has some potential. Not sure what section in Travel topics it will best fit into, so I have not yet added it there. --(WT-en) Nick 16:02, 1 February 2008 (EST)

 * Outcome. Kept. --(WT-en) Wandering 16:16, 1 February 2008 (EST)

Merger proposal
What about merging with Ecotourism? --(WT-en) Eiland 13:28, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Greenville (North Carolina)

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Parks
How can we better display the "Go to a park" information that currently links to the Greenville, NC website? (WT-en) kccricket 11:06, 29 March 2009 (EDT) Also, now that I've rewritten the River Park North entry, it sounds like it belongs more in the Do section. There's not much to see there, really. 75.110.14.238 20:31, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

 * I would recommend creating separate bullet points for noteworthy parks, each with a brief description. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:46, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Greenville (South Carolina)

Again, thanks (WT-en) Jonboy for fixing my mistake. --(WT-en) Silent Reveries

Districts
This "Districts" section was inserted into this article:

Districts
Greenville is a fairly large and spread-out city. There are numerous restaurants and shopping opportunities located throughout the city. Restaurants and shopping are divided among each district in the sections below.

What is the important reason to have this section in an article for a medium-sized city that is not and presumably should not be divided into different district articles on Wikivoyage? Wouldn't it be enough to have an "Orientation" subsection of "Understand", indicating what the landmarks and important streets are? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:12, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Grenada

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Grenada/CIA World Factbook 2002 import. -- (WT-en) Huttite 01:52, 2 Apr 2005 (EST)

Note: We remove comments on this page that are not about the article itself. If you wish to discuss your experiences in Granada, you may wish to contribute at Wikivoyage Extra which can be accessed by the link at the left. --(WT-en) OldPine 09:48, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Removed Hostel Happy entry in Sleep
There was an entry for some sort of sailing hostel in the Sleep section claiming it would be in Clarkes Court Bay and available for 2006. I am in Clarkes Court Bay myself at the moment and there is no such boat here nor has anyone ever heard of it.

there is no Mama´s anymore so I erased it...... please people at more accommodation and restaurants in the list...

erased St. Vincent and The Grenadiens (belongs not to Grenada) and erased funny ad under climate...

erased Paradise Bay Resort
because it is a construction side since almost 4 years

Comment: Paradise Bay Resort & Spa is open. Thr hurricane delayed the opening but that should not be a reason to delete.

moved back sleep and eat
somebody erased them ??

Country and Island and Town articles

 * I moved them, to Grenada (island). The article for the whole country shouldn't have specific listings of hotels and restaurants; they should be in the more specific region or city articles. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 23:24, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

But that is crasy, nobody will take a look under island, do you know how smal the other two are?? Petit Martinique only have 1 Guesthouse and why is there the area sleep and eat. Two split Grenada in three islands is stupid....and by the way the Grenada Accommodation Guide is for all three islands!!!!!!!!!!

 * The "sleep" and "eat" sections are to provide information about the kinds of accommodations and the cuisine of the country. See the articles for other countries for examples.  If a country is small, but has two cities that are physically separate from each other, and each have places to sleep, eat, etc. we create a separate article for each city.  See Andorra, for example, which isn't much larger than Grenada, or Liechtenstein which is even smaller.  The fact that the "cities" in this case are islands even more reason to create separate articles for each of them, such as for Saint-Pierre and Miquelon. Maybe Petit Martinique is too small to warrant its own article, and should be included in Carriacou.  And maybe we dont need separate articles for both Carriacou and Hillsborough.  But I don't see any need to squeeze everything about three inhabited islands and several towns into a single article. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 17:22, 8 June 2007 (EDT)

There is no reason to separate these three islands, nobody will find the information for accommodation or cuisine. Try and look at other travelsides. There is not one whow is seperating Grenada and carrioacou. I would suggest visit Grenada first and then make your own picture.

 * I second the anonymous (please create an account) I wrote almost everything in this article and know the island realy good and there is no reason to split the side. (WT-en) Theo 14:36, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Some of this article is really good. I do find that the situation is confusing for those of us that do not know the islands. The advantage of breaking out the cities is that if one is going to go to (say) Grenville, to see some attraction, one would also know what restaurants and lodgings are there. Same thing for the other islands. With listings there, one could determine whether a trip is worthwhile. (WT-en) OldPine 15:56, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
 * thanks (WT-en) OldPine the problem is most people choose Grenada as an destination and will then look around. Remember Grenada is realy small and we do not have so mutch tourism. I looked at the statistik of one of the listed hotels, and before (WT-en) Todd VerBeek moved the "sleep" entrys to Grenada (island) the side had about 50 hits a month coming from these side. After it went down to 0 (zero). That tells you people do not find the information they are looking for. (WT-en) Theo 17:33, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
 * It seems silly to me to say that people can't find the information. The links are right there in blue to click on. Many of our travelers are not the usual tourists. They want to know about places like Carriacou, and we want to have good coverages of those places. The country page can still list attractions and information about lodging areas. If people want to come they will find the city pages with the links. (WT-en) OldPine 17:57, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
 * It might be silly but true. Maybe then we should at least put another link to Grenada (island) and to Carriacou at the Grenada Side inside of the sleeping and eating area. Like :

Grenada, Carriacou and Petit Martinique offers a variety of accommodations, from small guesthouses to five star, all-inclusive resorts.

For accommodation in Grenada please visit the Grenada (island) side.

For accommodation in Carriacou please visit the Carriacou side.

For accommodation in Petit Martinique please visit the Petit Martinique side.

(WT-en) Theo 18:02, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Yes, that'd be fine I think, Theo. Ideally we'd get to the town level with both restaurants and lodging, but I don't think that that would be for Grenada (island). Bermuda has a similar problem... there's not really enough to fill up an article for each parish. Have a look at how that is handled. (WT-en) OldPine 18:36, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

Suggested housekeeping: The listed area of "Grand Anse" is a very nice resort/beach area on the main island. But the link takes us to a jurisdiction for Haiti.

Wikivoyage coverage of other caribbean islands includes colleges and universities
Why didn't Grenada have St. George's University School of Medicine. It's the first offshore medical school of the caribbean. AUC and Ross were copycats essentially - though also decent caribbean medical schools. A huge part of the island's economy and growth has resulted from having a large medical university which has now increased to become a veterinary school, tourism college. The school serves the island and offers scholarships to native Grenadians. I went to St. George's university school of medicine and as a result fell in love with the island and it's people. Grenada is a really special place. The rest of the wikivoyage article is excellent. I especially agree with the comment about how formal the Grenadians are when it comes to employment.

 * That's been added to "Learn", only 14 years later, as the anonymous commentator of 2008 was content to complain rather than remedy the lack. Grahamsands (talk) 14:42, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Carriacou
Hillsborough (Grenada) is the only notable settlement on this small island. The page has a template requesting that content therefore moves to the island page, but it's not been acted on. The request (date not apparent) still seems sensible so I intend to move content and merge the page, but am flagging here in case of other thoughts. Some years back there was an attempt to create a second resort strip south at Tyrell Bay, but it flopped and the island remains as small and sleepy as ever. Grahamsands (talk) 10:13, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

✅ Grahamsands (talk) 14:42, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Removal of cities and other destinations lists
what is the purpose of removing the cities and other destination lists as you did in Special:Diff/4614092 and Special:Diff/4614093, and what has that got to do with the static map? -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 21:45, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

 * Simply that they appeared redundant and duplication at this level. The main towns are mentioned in the regional list just above, to which I added Ronde and KeJ. They're obvious on the static map so the markers weren't doing anything. But click on any of the islands, there they all are listed and marked on the dynamic maps. There's been a problem of duplication between Grenada-nation and Grenada-island.
 * Note the spelling of the third island is PETITE Martinique, so "Petit" was incorrect. I've just tweaked the pgname and it doesn't seem worth the labour of a move, though it leaves some inconsistencies. Grahamsands (talk) 12:49, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * late response, but fair enough. I was actually thinking if it would be more beneficial if Grenada (island) was merged here leaving no bottom-level region articles beneath this one, but it may overload this article. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 12:09, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I considered doing so, but decided it would overload. The discussion above in 2007 was partly around that, and since then, non-duplicated but relevant content has grown on all related pages. Grahamsands (talk) 13:38, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Banners
St George's and Grenada (island) have identical banners, and Grenada (nation) is very similar. Any offers of others for these? Grahamsands (talk) 16:39, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Grenoble

Hello to all. This is my first contribution. I'd appreciate some English native speaker to review it, and a Wikivoyage admin to check the compliance with Wikivoyage manual of style !

 * In particular, I don't know if cable car is the right word for French téléphérique. The cable car I mean isn't moving on a road as San Francisco's cable car, but is flying in the air attached to a cable.
 * (native English speaker) Yes: "cable car" is the correct term
 * In the Stay Safe section, I mentioned "bed" as the width of a river. I'm not sure this is the perfect word for that (the full width a river may cover, but doesn't necesarily cover everytime, specially in Summer).
 * Sometimes the english language is not hard to find on a website but the resulting URL is dynamically generated in a way I fear it may become obsolete few month later. So I don't know if I must link to the main page (easy to remember URL) or to the translated page (horrible URL).
 * I wrote tel. as to be called from outside France (e.g. (+33) 4 XX XX ...). Perhaps I sould have written them from inside France (e.g. 04 XX XX ...).
 * Sorry for having posted these comments in the first version of Grenoble page itself. Copy-paste mistake. Feel free to clear revision history.

There is also an Archeology Museum featuring one of the first christian churchs ever built, but it is closed at the time for safety reasons. I'll add it as soon at it opens again.

 * Archeology museum (French: Musée Archéologique Saint Laurent), place Saint-Laurent (tel. (+33) 4 76 44 78 68, fax (+33) 4 76 51 35 59, infos@musee-archeologique-grenoble.com). Temporarily closed for safety reasons since July 2003. http://www.musee-archeologique-grenoble.com/

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Talk:Greve in Chianti

I created this page based on a one-liner from Florence. --(WT-en) Evan 14:07, 25 May 2004 (EDT)

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Talk:Greymouth

The Tranzalpine stuff is duplicated in here, in West Coast, and in Christchurch. OK - I've moved it into it's own article at TranzAlpine (WT-en) Hkpatv 05:27, 7 Oct 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:Griffith

Ok I restored and reworded a lot of stuff.

Rather than deleting the whole thing can you maybe just highlight the bits which are still in copywright violation (although none should be now), so I can continue to change until I get a version that is acceptable, thanks. (WT-en) Brad Mclain 17:11, 4 January 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Grossglockner Hochalpenstrasse

Does Grossglockner Hochalpenstrasse translate to Grossglockner(name of mountain) high alpine road? -- (WT-en) Huttite 06:14, 24 Jan 2005 (EST)

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Talk:Grundlsee

Grundlsee
Outcome: Kept --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 17:35, 23 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete - stub about a lake, a body of water. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 19:46, 3 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep. There is a village called Grundlsee located on the shores of this lake. See: &  (WT-en) WindHorse 22:16, 3 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep. Consistent with the "Chicken" example above. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:31, 14 June 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Gstaad

This page appears to be an advert by and for the Gstaad Palace Hotel - delete?
 * I've edited it down to bring it in line with out Project:Manual of style, particularly our Project:Don't tout clause. Feel free to plunge forward and help make this a better guide! (WT-en) Maj 13:25, 3 July 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Guadalajara

Edits
The original article seems to have been written by a very good but not native english speaker. So please forgive a few changes to make the English a bit more colloquially american.

I've also tried to add a few more details to somewhat decenter the centro-historico emphasis of the original. It's not that the centro isn't important. Rather as a frequent visitor to GDL I've found that the most common complaint is that the centro is dusty, crowded and ultimatley pretty dull, and that there is nothing else so see excpet tequila factories and pottery shops. This is simply not true, and if tourists would simply take the time to wander a mile or so off the beaten track they would discover that GDL is much more interesting than most cities in the USA. Name one US city that has historical sites dating back to the 17th century, a natural feature like the Barranca, a lively cultural tradition like the mariachi, and all the conveniences of a vibrant modern capital.

Oh, and I've added a bit of character to the article too. The tourist should realize that there is a sort of Jalisco and Tapatío attitude. I'd summarize this No te Rajes philosophy with a few simple propositions: 1) we are who we are and we do not need to explain it, especially to someone from el norte 2) tolerance is important and a sign of personal strength not weakness 3) old buildings are mostly dusty and dangerous, but if you must see them I will take you there, for a fee (or more charitably - life is to be lived, and the past to be respected, but not idolized).

Chivas no longer play in the Jalisco stadium, but in a new stadium (Estadio Omnilife) on the outskirts of Zapopan (Periferico and Avenida Vallarta). Bus 629 takes you close to the stadium from the city centre. Entrance tickets are more expensive than in the Jalisco stadium.

Second division team Leones Negros (from the public University of Guadalajara) play the Jalisco stadium on Friday evening or on Sunday afternoons. Entrance is very cheap (10 pesos), the football is crap, but the atmosphere is the best in the world.

Admin request: move Guadalajara (Mexico) back to Guadalajara
A new user moved this article back in January. I'm pretty sure the city in Mexico meets our "much more famous" rule (a city of 1.5 million in a metropolitan area of 4.5 million, versus a rather small city of 80,000). Eco84 (talk) 03:44, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. --Peter Talk 03:53, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Guadalajara
I'm asking this here rather than at Talk:Guadalajara because I'm racing against the clock to listingify, mos-ify etc. the Guadalajara article ahead of its stint as DotM, and I will obviously get an answer more quickly if the question is placed here.

Guadalajara has not been districtified. Therefore, is this section really necessary?

-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:48, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

 * It's useful—I say move it to a "Orientation" section of Understand. --Peter Talk 06:13, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Car rental agencies mentioned in Get around#By car
How many of them are there? If there are quite a few, there's no important reason to name any of them. But what I really don't understand is why some URLs were removed while another was added. That seems like rank touting, and I would suggest that either every mentioned company should be linked to its URL or none should. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:20, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Guadeloupe

Alternative banner for this article?

In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 07:00, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Definitely. This is the kind of striking photo I've seen of Guadeloupe before. The current banner has pretty flowers, but they don't look as unique as the terrain. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:49, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree, that's a more inviting image for sure. JuliasTravels (talk) 09:08, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

12-hr or 24-hour clock?
As a French DOM-TOM, wouldn't 24-hour clock make more sense? Of course, actual usage is what we are after.... Ground Zero (talk) 00:45, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oops. copy pasted the box from Cayman Islands. Will fix SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:48, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:49, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Suspect typo
from Correct typos in one click rustique->lustique? (replace) context: Guadeloupe's southern coast. The gorgeous and rustique rustique island of Marie-Galante makes another

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Talk:Gualeguaychu

Spanish?
An anonymous user wrote the following. -- (WT-en) Huttite 19:26, 11 Jan 2006 (EST)

Situada en el ángulo sudeste de la provincia de Entre Ríos y cabecera del departamento homónimo, la ciudad de Gualeguaychú es ideal para disfrutar un merecido descanso, en un ámbito de tranquilidad, seguridad y belleza, enmarcado por espejos de agua y frondosos montes que deleitan al turista y le ofrecen variadas alternativas. Gualeguaychú cuenta con un atractivo paisaje litoraleño, un relieve caracterizado por colinas de escasa altura, donde el principal recurso turístico es la zona de amplias costas del río de igual nombre y las del río Uruguay, más al sur de la ciudad.

La Ciudad
La base fundamental de la economía fue la agropecuaria y actualmente los sectores más dinámicos lo constituyen el sector turístico y la actividad industrial, fundamentalmente de en los rubros de productos alimenticios químicos. En lo que respecta al TURISMO existe una demanda estacional (verano) de una elevada afluencia turística, con un movimiento de personas que alcanza las 400.000, fundamentalmente de Capital Federal y Provincia de Buenos Aires, notándose últimamente un gran incremento de turistas provenientes de las provincias de Santa Fe y Córdoba, atraídos por el Carnaval del País y las playas de la ciudad.

La oferta de servicios turísticos se compone de 22 hoteles (de diversas categorías) sumando un total de 1.300 plazas, y se complementa con 33 complejos de bungalows con una capacidad de aproximadamente 2.500 plazas y con 17 campings con una capacidad total de aproximadamente 5.500 parcelas. En nuestra ciudad encontrará la más variada gastronomía, para satisfacer a todos los gustos.

La nueva Terminal de Ómnibus se encuentra ubicada en el extremo Sur-Oeste de la planta Urbana, a la vera del Acceso Sur. Los servicios de transporte de pasajeros son numerosos y de muy buena calidad, y permiten una comunicación fluida y rápida con los distintos puntos del país y del exterior. El Departamento Gualeguaychú es uno de los más poblados. Sus 100.995 habitantes representan un 8% de la población entrerriana, con una densidad cercana a la media provincial.

Gualeguaychú cuenta con un atractivo paisaje litoraleño, donde su principal recurso es el río. La ciudad posee espacios verdes que satisfacen las necesidades de la misma dentro de los límites de la Planta Urbana y también a escala regional, a saber: a) Parque Unzué y Camino de la Costa, a escala urbana y regional. b) Balnearios Norte y Sur, unidos por el Paseo de la Costanera. c) Plazas, insertas dentro de la trama urbana. d) Plazas barriales. Todos están habililtados al uso público, con amplia demanda durante todo el año, en especial durante la temporada estival. El Parque Unzúe, emplazado sobre la margen Oeste del río, tiene una extensión de 115 has; al que se accede a través de Puente Méndez Casariego. Cuenta con una frondosa y variada vegetación, con clubes y campings y, en la ribera, con clubes náuticos.

El Parque de la Estación (7,50 hectáreas), está integrado al plan de inversiones, del que también forman parte el Parque Norte (100 has) y el Parque Sur ( 7,30 has), con un programa de requerimientos acorde a su emplazamiento, superficie y necesidades. A escala regional, sobre la costa del río Uruguay, la pavimentación del eje de acceso al Balneario Ñandubaysal y Puerto Boca, distante 15 Km de la ciudad, ha dinamizado el área debido a las posibilidades de inversión en equipamientos turísticos a diferentes escalas y al aumento de la concurrencia a la zona balnearia. Los recursos naturales más importantes son:

 * Avenida Costanera
 * Paseo del Puerto
 * Parque Unzué
 * Costanera Sur
 * Isla Libertad
 * Balneario Norte y Balneario Sur
 * Balnearios privados
 * Parque Sur
 * Camino de la Costa
 * Las pesquerías

Gualeguaychú cuenta con áreas que reúnen características históricas que hacen al patrimonio heredado desde el desarrollo y apogeo de la ciudad. La vinculación, dentro del sistema urbano, de los espacios verdes, las playas y el centro de la ciudad constituyen un fuerte recurso de interés turístico. Por ejemplo: la Plaza San Martín, la Plaza Urquiza y su eje vinculante, nuclea los principales organismos oficiales de la ciudad, situándose también edificios de interés patrimonial.

Hay otros sitios y sectores urbanos de gran interés, entre los que podemos mencionar:

Los edificios de Interés Histórico - Cultural más importante son:
 * Entorno Plaza Colón
 * Calle Alem
 * Parque de la Estación
 * Cementerio Norte
 * Hipódromo
 * Anfiteatro

 * Plaza de los Antepasados
 * Azotea de Lapalma (museo)
 * Palacio de Deken, Casa de la Cultura
 * Palacio Clavarino, Colegio N° 1
 * Centro Cultural Osvaldo Magnasco
 * Casa de Olegario Víctor Andrade
 * Casa de Fray Mocho
 * Casa de Haedo (museo)
 * Jefatura de Policía
 * Municipalidad
 * Teatro Gualeguaychú
 * Catedral San José

Historia
Gualeguaychú fue fundada el 18 de Octubre de 1783 por el sargento mayor Don Tomás de Rocamora, durante el Virreinato de Vertiz. Arribado al poblado y recibido por los vecinos, observa que el lugar dónde estaba el primer asentamiento era bajo y anegadizo, decidiendo el traslado mas al norte, frente a la isla, hoy llamada Libertad. De acuerdo a las Leyes de Indias, desbroza el terreno, realiza las mensuras, asigna los lugares públicos, reparte 85 solares, elige los integrantes del Primer Cabildo y el Santo Patrono, pasando a llamarse la Villa, San José de Gualeguaychú.

El nombre de Gualeguaychú

La ciudad toma su nombre del río que lo vió nacer. Según el documento del Padre Policarpo Dufó (1715) la palabra Gualeguaychú es una deformación del termino guaraní Yaguarí Guazú: Yaguar: Tigre; I: Río; Guazú: Grande, o sea "Río del Tigre Grande". Según estudiosos de la toponimia hay otras definiciones como "Agua de andar lento" o "Río de las cuevas de los chanchos".

Patrimonio
Cultura

Tradición Cultural de Gualeguaychú

Gualeguaychú tiene una larga y definida tradición cultural que se percibe en sus gentes, sus edificios, sus paseos publicos y en la memoria de sus habitantes. Además, es una ciudad con movimiento cultural permanente.

Con su imponente Catedral San José, cuya piedra fundamental se colocara en 1863, el señorial Teatro Gualeguaychu fundado por un grupo de vecinos y declarado monumento histórico por el Gobierno de la Nación, el sólido edificio del centenario Instituto Magnasco (fundado por dos mujeres de 20 años en 1898) con los tesoros artísticos y bibliográficos que allí se guardan. Edificios de singular valor arquitectónico e histórico como el Palacio Clavarino (actual colegio secundario que lleva su nombre) la casona de los Haedo, la Azotea de Lapalma, son solo algunas de las mas prominentes referencias del valioso Gualeguaychu cultural.

A ello podemos agregar los nombres de artistas, científicos y escritores que nacieron o vivieron en la ciudad: Juan Jose Nágera, padre de la ciencia geológica argentina, Fray Mocho, Luis N. Palma, figuras academicas como Eleuterio Tiscornia en letras, Julio Irazusta en Historia y actualmente Pedro Luis Barcia en Letras y Educación, pintores como Juan Manuel Gavazzo Buchardo, Juan Carlos Guastavino; concertistas de piano como Maria Luisa Guerra, bailarinas como Cristina Delmagro o figuras actuales de vasto renombre como Luisa Delfino o Pipo Pescador. En la nómina podríamos incluir además al arqueólogo, historiador e investigador Manuel Almeida )1915-2004), algunos de cuyos hallazgos se reúnen en un museo.

Considerada desde hace mucho tiempo "la ciudad de los poetas" por lo que aportaron Olegario V. Andrade, Pablo Díaz, Pedro B Palacios, Mateo Dumón Quesada, Pablo J Daneri, Dora Buschiazzo de Hoffman, Juan Antonio Machado, Luis Jeannot Sueyro, hoy día lo es también la de artistas plásticos, escultores, y escenógrafos que aportan su creatividad y talento a través del Carnaval.

Más Información
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 * Gualeguaychú, estas muy cerca. Portal oficial
 * Municipalidad de Gualeguaychú

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Talk:Guam

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Guam/CIA World Factbook 2002 import. -- (WT-en) Huttite 21:42, 17 Jun 2005 (EDT)

I've noticed a number of incorrect facts in the article. For example, Guam is not a country but part of the U.S. I can tell that the article was written and is being monitored by someone or some people who do not live on Guam. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 121.55.249.62 (talk • contribs)

 * Project:Plunge forward. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:03, 27 July 2010 (EDT)

 * Holy smokes, let's not have WT look exactly like Wikipedia! I'll do some plunging forward...(WT-en) Zepppep 12:11, 10 September 2010 (EDT)

Hi
Corrected a bunch of errors about the military (not only one base). Added a section on shopping. Changed "Respect" to "Culture."

 * Respect is one of our template headings. -- (WT-en) Huttite 21:40, 1 Jan 2006 (EST)

I feel the quote "Using the 50,000 rule" is something very weird and unecessary for this article. I've never ever heard about such a rule that a town would become a city when it surpasses 50,000 in population?

--- Response by Kokobird --- The 50k rule is in reference to federal designations. Anything less than 50k is considered by the feds to be rural, thus qualifying it for specific types of grants. Over 50k means city, and a whole set of different grants. I'll try to dig some info up on this and maybe add a statement next to Dededo showing that it's a city.

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 * Also, this is my first time ever contributing to a wiki, so apologies in advance if I'm not exactly following proper discussion format. Still learning. :-)

Municipalities are normally incorporated as "city", "town", "municipal township" or "incorporated village" by territorial (or other provincial-level) governments. Not all jurisdictions impose a minimum population to be a "city" or a maximum to be a "town".

I'm also a bit unsure of the wording of "westernmost territory" as technically this looks to be in the east (ie: on the other side of the 180⁰ line). That makes for some awkward scheduling for network programming on the telly. K7L (talk) 02:59, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Requests for Info
I'm planning on visiting Guam in several months, and I'm wondering if anyone who's visited (or lives on Guam!) can help with a couple of things.

1) What do dive costs run for, say, 2 or 3 tank dives, with transit, etc. through a reputable shop? (I'll probably be bringing my own gear.)

2) Are there any budget-minded accomodations (e.g., hostels, homestays) available? I'd particularly fancy a homestay to see a bit of a family's life, etc.

Warning?
According to several news stories I have seen, North Korea has threatened to nuke Guam if the US attacks them. One story claims Trump has suggested the threat will be good for tourism.

Is this worth mentioning here? Pashley (talk) 22:15, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Who knows? Do we have warnings in the South Korea and Japan articles? I'd say yes to putting warnings on all of those. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:48, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure...North Korea has been making these kinds of threats for years and years. Are they really something a traveller should take into account? Have any governments issued travel warnings on the basis of North Korea's nuclear threats? —Granger (talk · contribs) 11:43, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

 * At Wikitravel's pub, there's a discussion about adding a warning to their Guam article: http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Travellers'_pub#Warning_or_No_Warning_for_Guam
 * Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 13:48, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I agree with Granger. There's no reason to think, and plenty of reason not to think, that this isn't just more of the same empty bluster we've been seeing for years from North Korea. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 13:59, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

 * It is rather pointless to place a warning for low probability events such as this. You may as well put a warning in bright lights on the top of the New York article since that is also a potential target.
 * As repeatedly stated, we should only warn of real and present dangers, not theoretical ones. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:38, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Redlinks
Do we really need all those redlinks? Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:31, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I removed them. Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:36, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Guanacaste

I removed a statement that was personal opinion in the "get in" section of this article. It stated that the city of San Jose was "unpleasant."

Golf courses
There are a number of golf courses and services throughout the region. These links are not meant for a province-level article. Moving here for future use, perhaps, when there are appropriate articles where they can be inserted. Ibaman (talk) 20:53, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

 * I've moved the golf courses to local articles in the Guanacaste region, but I don't know what to do with this one. Maybe someone else can take a look at it. Ground Zero (talk) 21:56, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Guanajuato

I rolled back the promotional info on a book about Guanajuato. It sounds like a good book, but the middle of a Wikivoyage guide is not the right place to advertise it. --(WT-en) Evan 17:12, 31 October 2006 (EST) - FWIW, I ate street food almost every day for 2 months in Gto, and never got sick. On the other hand, I became very sick after eating at Truco Siete. I would never eat there again. - I just got back from GTO on August 24, 2008. I was there for 9 days and I ate at Truco 7 lots of times. I went to a local Spanish school and it was a favorite of the teachers. (WT-en) Jack 18:37, 05 September 2008 (CST)

Banner
I don't think the current banner does justice to the city, and would like to replace it. Any thoughts or objections? –StellarD (talk) 03:01, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I haven't been to Guanajuato, but the new banner is certainly more colorful, so I'd vote for it on that basis. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:57, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The replacement banner from 2014 is an improvement over the old one, but it's still basically a landscape that could be anywhere and doesn't capture the unique character of Guanajuato. If I ever get copious spare time and figure out how to create banners, I'll propose something better. Meantime, my ideas are that a picture of the Teatro Juarez would be a good choice, or perhaps mummies because Museo de Momias is one of the most unusual attractions the city offers. Just a couple thoughts... Mrkstvns (talk) 18:01, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Featured article?
We have no nominations for featured articles from Mexico. Would this article do? And would it be DoTM or OtBP? /Yvwv (talk) 19:16, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Tourism office?
The article had a listing for a local tourism info office. That seems to be closedː link is dead, Google search shows no municipal tourism office, and Google maps shows that location occupied by an engineering office.

A local resource would be preferred, but since I can't find an official one, I replaced the local office with a state tourism office. If anyone knows of an authoritative (non-commercial) tourism info office, please replace the state listing. Mrkstvns (talk) 20:07, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Guangdong

reason for deletion: Canton was the former name of Guangzhou, not Guangdong (ref: encyclopedia Brittanica online: http://www.britannica.com/ebi/article?tocId=9273494)

Cities
Normal Wikivoyage policy is to keep the cities list to no more than 9. I've just trimmed the one in this article from over 15 down to 12. Now what?

Guangzhou and the three SEZs (Shenzhen, Zhuhai & Shantou) have to be there. I'd say Dongguan because it is a fairly large city and Zhanjiang because it is the center of its region. That's six, What others should be listed, if any? (WT-en) Pashley 06:07, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

 * I trimmed the list once before, that time from >20 down to 16. (WT-en) Pashley 06:13, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

 * I just created an article for Pearl River Delta and listed some cities there. That probably means the less important PRD cities like Foshan and Zhongshan can be omitted here. Shenzhen, Zhuhai & Guangzhou should stay. What about Dongguan? (WT-en) Pashley

 * I can't say I know enough about Guangdong to make any good recommendations, but it is important that every city should be listed in some region. So if there is no subregion to move a less important city into, I think it's best to leave it in this list, even though that would break the 7+2 rule. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:54, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

 * It seems Xinjiao which I earlier added to the cities list was trimmed too, which makes it an orphaned page again. I can't see any other suitable region/subregion to list it in, so I'm adding it here again. If anyone knows a better region article to list it, by all means please do so.--(WT-en) Vidimian 09:23, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

 * I have created two new regions implying that we can now reduce the city list in the Guangdong article to nine (now it is eleven, and I do not know, which ones we should delete). But now the city list in Pearl River Delta is too long, would it make sense to subdivide the Pearl River Delta Region or could it be defined more narrowly than now?  I would like to hear any thoughts on this.  (WT-en) ClausHansen 09:31, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

 * I'm not aware of any sensible subdivisions (unless we give each prefecture its own region, which would be overkill), so I think we can live with 11 cities. (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:16, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

 * FWIW, Wikipedia appears to consider Qingyuan and Shaoguan a fourth "northern" region of Guangdong (see ), outside the PRD. If we copy them, it would reduce the city list by two. (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:19, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

 * I do not think it makes sense to subdivide the PRD. Do Kaifeng and Taishan belong there, or are they more Western GD? (WT-en) Pashley

Where is Hong Kong? Did sink into the sea on the map? please add!

New map for Guangdong
Hey guys, I just recently tweaked the city list for that article for the purpose of regional balance. That also means that the current map doesn't reflect the cities that are currently on the city list, so if someone is able and willing to do so, would it be possible for the map to be updated? Unfortunately, I don't know how to do it myself. The dog2 (talk) 00:01, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe a dynamic map would be an option. Just added it to the article. Rather quickly created with Wikivoyage Districtifier, by the way. Problem currently is, that the polygon of Shanwei district is not showing on the map (Wikidata ID: Q59189, OSM Relation: 3282610). We have this problem on other maps as well. Not sure what is wrong there. --Renek78 (talk) 18:59, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The polygon for Shenzhen is missing too... --Renek78 (talk) 19:20, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Shanwei and Shenzhen display on my browser—maybe it was a temporary issue? I like the static map better, because I think it's easier to read, but the dynamic map works as an interim solution. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:36, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * My browser also doesn't display either polygon. Perhaps it's a browser-specific thing. The dog2 (talk) 00:03, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, the static map has been updated. You may need to refresh the page a couple of times to see. Cheers -Shaundd (talk) 21:16, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! One small issue—"Danxiashan" is misspelled. It would be great if you can correct that. Thanks! —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:49, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Done! -Shaundd (talk) 07:00, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Hey, sorry for the trouble again, but some of the regions in Guangdong and Fujian have been renamed. Would anyone with the expertise be able to update the maps? The dog2 (talk) 03:15, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Static maps for Guangdong and Fujian have been updated for the new names. Cheers -Shaundd (talk) 06:35, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Guangxi

I created a page for Guangxi, then discovered one for "Guangxi Province", so I have moved everything here to there.

This page should be deleted.

Actually, all the provices of China are listed under their name without the 'province' suffix (somehow Guangxi was not edited in that way). So, actually the info should be on this page and the other used as a redirect.

Regions
Trying to figure out how to split this in subregions

North Guangxi
 * Baise: Baise
 * Hechi: Hechi, Yizhou
 * Liuzhou: Liuzhou, Sanjiang
 * Guilin: Guilin, Longsheng, Yangshuo

Central Guangxi
 * Hezhou: Hezhou
 * Chongzuo: Chongzuo, Detian, Longzhou, Pingxiang
 * Nanning: Nanning
 * Laibin: Laibin
 * Guigang: Guigang, Guiping
 * Wuzhou: Wuzhou

South Guangxi
 * Fangchenggang: Fangchenggang
 * Qinzhou: Qinzhou
 * Beihai: Beihai
 * Yulin: Yulin

--(WT-en) ClausHansen 17:49, 21 July 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Guangzhou

Splitting

 * The Guangzhou article is getting quite long, and so it might good to split into districts. Anyone have sufficient knowledge of the city to undertake this? Have a look at Taipei as an example. (WT-en) WindHorse 09:09, 22 October 2006 (EDT)

For Guangzhou, I don't think dividing into districts makes sense, because they are more divided for administrative purposes. Dividing that way may inconvenient travelers. Most things listed on the page belong to 2 districts -- the two smaller districts, which are closely tied together. I don't know if anyone has a better idea of dividing. Maybe something like the old city and the new? --(WT-en) Jianhuang 10:55, 23 October 2006 (EDT)

 * I don't know. There are many ways to divide up a city that are convenient for travelers. If using districts isn't a good idea, then how about geographically - 'central district', 'north Guangzhou' and 'south Guangzhou' or perhaps into five categories: 'central' plus 'north-west', 'north-east', 'south west' and 'south east'. If the Taipei model doesn't work, then have a look at the London article, which uses a geographical demarcation or Singapore and Tokyo, which rely more on a cultural basis for the divisions or Swansea, which is simply divided into urban and rural districts. Brother, it's your hometown. I'll let you decide this one. I am quite familiar with Guangzhou, but unfortunately not enough to attempt this, so I bow to your greater wisdom. (WT-en) WindHorse 04:58, 24 October 2006 (EDT)

The geographical division sound good to me. - Central districts: Liwan, Yuexiu (2/3 of items on the page go here. This is the old Guangzhou, the area is relatively small compared to the whole city) - Other Northern districts: Tianhe, Huadu, and Baiyun. - Southern districts: Haizhu, Panyu, and Nansha. The later two have plenty of room to grow as rapid developments are done to these areas, while Liwan and Yuexiu are pretty mature. --(WT-en) Jianhuang 10:59, 24 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Sounds good. Again take a look at the Taipei and Tokyo articles for reference. In the Taipei article, the information on the down town is included in the main article, and the suburbs are broken off into seperate pages. On the Tokyo article, the main article only offers general information, and all areas have a seperate pages. See which of these models (or others) you think best suits Guangzhou, and then set up in that way. Sorry, I cannot help too much with this, but I really have no idea in which areas the streets, restaurants or hotels are located. Thanks (WT-en) WindHorse 21:07, 24 October 2006 (EDT)

I can take on the project between Thanksgiving and Christmas. Anyone else has any opinion about splitting the page? --(WT-en) Jianhuang 16:26, 30 October 2006 (EST)

I think that the splitting should be done really carefully. There are (too) many cities where the article has been splitted across several pages, but then some of the pages contain only a couple of objects. IMO there's no point in creating a separate page for a district, if it has only 1 sleep, 1 eat and 1 do item - it will just make the navigation more difficult. What comes to GZ, I don't know the city well enough in order to help with the splitting. Most of the action seems to be centered around the old Liwan district and the blocks around Tianhe sports centrum. -- (WT-en) Trsqr 16:22, 1 November 2006 (EST)

 * Hi Trsqr - good point, Jianhuang also mentioned that it wouldn't be advantageous to divide Guangzhou up along political district lines, but rather geographically, such as North Guangzhou, South Guangzhou etc. These designations will include several smaller polital districts so, in that way, we should avoid the problems you mentioned. Jianhuang is from Guangzhou, so I think he'll have good idea how to undertake this. But, anyway, it is good to be reminded of the points you raise and to factor them in before the carve up begins. (WT-en) WindHorse 21:26, 1 November 2006 (EST)

I still don't know the best way to do this. My knowledge wouldn't compensate how the changes may inconvenient readers. Guangzhou is still a place where travellers spent quite little time in. Most of the action are about 30 min from each other -- a fairly small metro area. So if anyone has further inputs, let us know. (WT-en) Jianhuang 14:55, 1 December 2006 (EST)

 * This article covers information mostly pertaining to Tianhe, Yuexiu and Liwan. Starting the cut up with these three might be a good idea. See, Buy, Eat, Sleep and Drink sections would be relevant for the split. The remaining content looks generic enough to stay where it is.

 * How about establishing the main article to cover the down town districts of Liwan, Xuexiu, Tanhe, Haizhu and Huangpu and then split of two other districts categorized as 'northern districts', consisting of Luogang, Baiyun and Hwadu and 'southern districts,' covering the districts of Panyu and Nansha. The Taipei article uses a similar model, except that the northern and southern districts have their own individual articles - which can also be done in Guangzhou's case if you believe that the districts have enough attractions and accommodation to warrant their own articles. Otherwise, just combine and categorize them as northern and southern districts for the time being. They can always be split later if deemed necessary. As you state, most tourists only spend a short time in Guangzhou, but business people often stay longer, and they also require information. (WT-en) WindHorse 10:41, 2 December 2006 (EST)

 * Taipei has a rather small city centre with way too many districts. Individually, only a few have enough information to justify "districtification", so it does make sense to lump all those bits together. Information is also limited for outer districts like Neihu. GZ on the other hand has big enough districts to do the split comfortably. The main article size would remain largely unchanged if we still have Liwan, Yuexiu and Tianhe stuff in it. (who wrote this part?) Ans: (WT-en) Lai.jack 01:42, 8 December 2006 (EST)

 * I think I just saw the light -- Being an ex-local, I can see how one considers the city center (Locals call it 广州市区). Within this area, the city buses operate efficiently (2 yuan); taxi is easy to take and there are plenty of them; You can go from one point to another within 30 minutes (one hour max); Traffic is usually heavy. This consists of Liwan, Haizhu, Western Tianhe, Southern Baiyun. Outside of that area, you see buses cost a little more, usually 4 yuan +; taxi usually costs much more because they add 50% to the total when you hit 30km; travel options are more limited; your trip takes > 1 hour. This consists of Outer Tianhe, Greater Baiyun, Huadu, Huangpu, Panyu, and Nangang. What do you think? (WT-en) Jianhuang 14:58, 6 December 2006 (EST)

 * Sounds good. Now all you need to do is decide whether you want the main article to just cover general information and split off all districts as in the Singapore model, or use the main article for the 市区 information and just spit off the 市区外 districts as in the Taipei model. Good luck (WT-en) WindHorse 22:30, 6 December 2006 (EST)

Map
I have been creating a huge map of Guangzhou in Inkscape. I don't know all the street names though and I cannot place all the sights, hotels and restaurants on the map. Can anyone help me in this? Also if you can spot some errors in the map, I'd be happy to correct them.

-- (WT-en) Trsqr 16:00, 1 November 2006 (EST)

 * I added the maps of the central Guangzhou now. I was not able to place all the mentioned places on the map and there might be still some errors, but otherwise I'm quite happy with the outcome. If you spot any errors, you can correct them by yourself (the SVG file has been uploaded also) or just drop me a line - I will be happy to make the corrections. -- (WT-en) Trsqr 05:52, 4 November 2006 (EST)

 * They look great - and no errors as far as I can see. Thanks for your efforts. The maps really enhance the quailty of the article. (WT-en) WindHorse 07:09, 4 November 2006 (EST)

Uploaded new versions of the maps. I got mail from a fellow Wikivoyage user, who made a few good corrections and new additions. -- (WT-en) Trsqr 05:32, 5 November 2006 (EST)

Copyright questions
There are two images that might be problematic, what should we do with these?

http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Image:Guangzhou_map.png has been uploaded without license and as Jpatokal pointed out in the Destination of the Month discussion, http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Image:Guangzhou-GipsyKing.jpg might be violating a copyright and should probably go. There is a district map that I drew earlier (http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Image:Guangzhou_district_map.png), but what comes to the bar pic, I don't have any suggestion for replacement.

 * I uploaded both. (1) Guangzhou map originated from ZH Wikipedia. I adjusted the size and inserted everything you see in English. (2) I snapped this. It shows paid entertainers engaged in a public performance, which in my opinion constitutes less of a privacy invasion than pictures showing people going about their normal daily lives. ;-)

okay pics are way too big so minimize them its blocking print --(WT-en) Lone.guner 18:57, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Drink link
This is a pretty minor problem. I don't know how to correct it. Recently I have added some bars into the drink section but I don't know how to separate the drink section from the eat section. It would also be nice to see a link placed at the top right of the page to take you directly to the drink section. Otherwise people may miss it all together.

 * There was a broken listing (opening <eat> without a closing </eat>) that was messing up the formatting -- the table of contents works again. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:36, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

 * Does anyone know if Noxxi has reopened? I'm thinking of deleting it.

Pics
I believe many of the pics violate Project:Image policy, especially the one of the Gipsy Bar dancing girls Project:Welcome. There are also several other shots that show people's faces pretty predominately and these should also be up for a "delete discussion" as well. It's OK to have pics with people in them, but are these the best to be found? (WT-en) Zepppep 11:25, 28 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Don't be absurd. The Gipsy King Bar picture is one of a DANCE PERFORMANCE, and obviously, in any such gig, there are people involved. If we had to remove every picture with a human face in it, there would be no street/life pictures in Wikivoyage at all. (WT-en) Lai.jack 13:40, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

Wrong takeaway pinyin
My chinese is poor but in the food section where it says how to ask for leftovers to be taken away should it be dai bao (pronounced die bow) as opposed to da bao? I assume it should be dai as in bag dai. I don't know what da could mean in this context...

 * 打包 dǎbāo is correct, but thank you for considering this, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 03:04, 2 August 2010 (EDT)
 * Yes. It is da bao. (WT-en) Pashley 04:05, 2 August 2010 (EDT)

Picture
The front image does not represent Guangzhou at all, not even close. Anyone has a better picture? I can take some -- there are many options, such as Pearl River with the Guangzhou Tower, Citic Plaza, etc. -(WT-en) Jianhuang 00:27, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

 * Would be great if you could feature some of your pictures. Or try to get some freely licensed pictures from Flickr or Wikimedia Commons. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 12:34, 7 September 2011 (EDT)

"Eat" Section Tagged
The eat section was tagged for style (See the Eat section). I'd like to improve it, but don't know what else needs to be done. I have looked up the style manual and updated what I could. Any suggestion would be great! (WT-en) Jianhuang 19:59, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

Timetable in wikivoyage articles?
I noticed Guangzhou has a detailed timetable for "Hong Kong - Guangzhou" and it notes that it is current as of October 2011.

Should Wikivoyage have such detailed timetables? My concern is that A) the timetable will change (assuming it already hasn't) and B) there appears to be no one actively maintaining this article since the Wikivoyage migration. Is it safer to simply mention that the train route exists, possibly with a link to an official website? Andrewssi2 (talk) 13:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe typical practice in the past has always been to remove such tables for trains/flights, for the very reason you stated. Texugo (talk) 13:34, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will remove. I was actually thinking I may need to take that train soon, and that I just would not use a possibly outdated timetable. Andrewssi2 (talk) 13:40, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I would like to retract a previous comment. This article has in fact been updated by user Pashley and a few others during this year. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 14:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I think avoiding timetables, except perhaps for some cases where it is simple and general like "Overnight buses to Xiamen leave between 8 and 11 in the evening", should be a general rule. In some cases, maps as well; see Talk:Shanghai for example. Pashley (talk) 14:39, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * True, the Shanghai metro expands every few month! Also it is hard to find 'open source' metro maps that we can legally upload to Wikimedia. On the other hand, I would always like to have a metro map readily available to me whether it be London or Shanghai, even if slightly outdated. Andrewssi2 (talk) 14:55, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

University listings
I removed the following listings because, like a previous discusion foe Beijing they were higher education insitutions that are not relevant for the traveler. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:09, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

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 * South China Agricultural University (华南农业大学 hua nan nong ye da xue) Take Guangzhou Metro Line 3, Wushan Station.
 * Being the largest university in Guangdong by size, SCAU's history can be traced back to 1909. Over nearly a hundred years, SCAU has grown into a multi-disciplinary, comprehensive university with agriculture, engineering, liberal arts, basic sciences, economics, management, law, education, history and philosophy. It is now adopting a multi-level and multi-approach schooling system and intends to develop into an advanced multi-disciplinary agricultural institute with distinctive tropical and subtropical features. The university takes agricultural sciences as its priority and life sciences as its highlight. At SCAU, undergraduate and graduate programs are developing concurrently, with teaching and research as the two central tasks. The UNDP, FAO and WFC are held here. Besides, the Guangdong Dog Pageant is held here annually.

 * Sun Yat-Sen University (中山大学 Zhōng-shān-dà-xué), (Metro 2 Sun Yat-Sen University Station - Exit A) This is the most famous university in Guangzhou and Southern China. It was founded by Sun Yat-sen, the founder of the Republic of China. The school now has three campuses. The old campus is green and beautiful, and has many historical sites. The north gate has a great river view.

 * Southern Medical University (南方医科大学）, formerly known as First Military Medical University, affiliated to the People's Liberation Army, was founded in 1951. It became one of the national key universities in 1979. It came under the jurisdiction of Guangdong Province in 2004 and was renamed Southern Medical University. It is located at the foot of picturesque Baiyun Mountain. The main campus, together with its south campus in the southern suburb of Guangzhou, covers an area of nearly one million square meters. The university has been awarded the first-class garden-like university, for rows of green trees nourish and bouquets of flowers blossom on the campuses all through a year.

 * South China University of Technology  (华南理工大学 Huánán-Lǐgōng-Dàxué), it was established in 1952, through a reorganization process that unified the engineering schools and departments of major universities in Southern China, including the former Zhongshan University, Lingnan University, South China Joint University, and 4 others. In 1960, it was selected as one of 33 National Key Universities, under the direct administration of the Chinese Ministry of Education. The University was renamed as South China University of Technology in 1988.

 * South China Normal University (华南师范大学 Huá-nán-shī-fàn-dà-xué)  is a comprehensive university in Guangzhou, capital of Guangdong province, in the People'Republic of China. The university is featured distinctively by both teaching and research, consisting of diverse branches of learning such as philosophy, economics, law, education, literature, history, science, technology, and management. There is also an elementary school in this university.

 * Guangdong University of Foreign Studies (广东外语外贸大学 Guǎng-dōng-Wài-yǔ-Wài-mào-Dà-xué) is a higher education institution in Guangzhou, Guangdong, China. The university provides research and higher education in several international studies.

Districts
This is a really long article, and there has been an slight attempt to districtify with Panyu and Zengcheng. Does anyone have sufficiently close enough knowledge to work this article into districts? Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:14, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

 * Same question over 3 years later. It looks like districting was barely begun. Anyone know this city well enough to help? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:02, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

 * My suggestion is a division into "old", "new" and "suburbs". Panyu-Nansha are usually together. Zengcheng and Conghua are not usually considered part of Guangzhou by locals and may therefore have their separate pages.
 * The "Old" part could be Liwan north of Pearl river, Yuexiu, and NW Haizhu. The "new" part could be NE Haizhu and Tianhe. The "suburb" part could be S Haizhu, Liwan south of Pearl river, Baiyun and Huangpu.
 * Haizhu is a bit hard to work on - I'll upload a map later - also my rationale for such division. Elcancn (talk) 10:09, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Halal Food
I removed the following section because all the listings were just names with a metro station. Not sure how anyone can find them, or know what they specifically offer. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:47, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Halal Food

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I agree that this page should be merged to the Guangzhou page. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Jianhuang (talk • contribs)

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Talk:Guantánamo Bay

This page is obviously a joke. While not all people may agree with some of the news headlines that have come out of GITMO, a webpage in a travel guide that simply makes fun of a serious operation of the United States Government (or any government for that matter) has no place here. Naturally, we all enjoy a bit of humor, but this guide is simply pointless. Nobody would ever list suicide as a "way out" in the Oświęcim, Poland guide. --- (WT-en) Gjaucoin

 * It's funny and I hope someone expands it. The nazis have nothing to do with this. Oświęcim is a very real destination for all travelers to Poland. As for Guantanamo Bay, all we can do is laugh about it. And oh, I almost forgot, I assume you are familiar with Godwin's law. You lose. --- (WT-en) Fridday

 * This article is up for deletion, please continue the discussion there. (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:29, 12 September 2007 (EDT)

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Guantanamo Bay
Borderline deletion candidate. Most of the current content is certainly inappropriate, and it's a naval base not accessible to civilians, but if we've got an article for Wake Island then this just might squeak by... and yes, you really can fly "Air Sunshine" to Gitmo! (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:28, 6 September 2007 (EDT)

 * Keep. It is a possible destination for some travellers. It does need a rewrite, tone down the political comment without completely trashing it. (WT-en) Pashley 06:19, 6 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep. It is not a possible destination for most travellers. Because of that, we can afford a joke. It's funny, I hope someone expands it. --- (WT-en) Fridday 11:34, 12 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Sorry -- but we really don't do joke articles. -- (WT-en) Colin 13:25, 12 September 2007 (EDT)
 * We should. --- (WT-en) Fridday 13:35, 13 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. Since it's not accessible to civilians and it's just going to be a magnet for political commentary, toss it. -- (WT-en) Colin 13:25, 12 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep. This is a possible destination for some travelers (I'm certain there are business travelers there) and it meets our standard criteria of Can You Sleep There. This article needs some constructive attention, though, and a disambiguation. The US controls only the southern half of the bay and its surrounding territory; the northern half of the bay is uncontested Cuban territory and is very much possible to visit. The fact that this article might attract vandalism is IMO a good reason to add it to our watchlists, not to delete it. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:37, 12 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep. There is precedent for keeping articles on incredibly out-of-the-way military bases, e.g. Wake Island and British Indian Ocean Territory, containing (and largely being comprised of) the notorious Diego Garcia Island base.  The fact that this particular base is, ahem, controversial doesn't make it any different from those places in terms of our coverage. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:17, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Kept --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 08:00, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

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Fire and Water Hot spring
In the article this has been aflame 3 centuries; on the news item on the main page it's 3 decades. Anyone know which is correct? Either way, it sounds exciting and I hope to be there in December. :-) (WT-en) Andyfarrell 13:22, 29 January 2010 (EST)

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Hello, I'm the owner of the site Vamos Guarda do Embaú (www.vamosguarda.com) and also the creator of the Guarda do Embaú article in Wikivoyage (http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Guarda_do_emba%C3%BA). I agree on having my site's information on Wikivoyage. Regards, Manuel Meyer Castro

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