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Talk:Washington, D.C./Shaw

Closed listings
The two BFM websites I found links to are dead, and so is the phone (which worked fine in early 2008—I checked with the curator before adding the listing). I've sent them an email to double check whether they're still operating, but until I hear back, I'll presume that they are closed.

 * A very small, family-run museum documenting the history of African-Americans and the world of fashion. It features (among other exhibits) the inaugural gown of Mary Todd Lincoln (designed by a former slave), Jackie Kennedy's wedding gown, and the dress Rosa Parks was sewing when she refused to give up her bus seat. (And the museum was founded by Lois Lane—no joke!) It's only open to the public via guided tour, for which you should call Ms. Joyce Bailey at least a week in advance.

Yes, the BFM is now closed, and they have donated their collection to the National Museum of African American History and Culture (slated to open in D.C. in 2015). --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:55, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

 * If the above clubs are overcharging for some lame mainstream act, DC9 is almost always a hit. Live music is the staple at this medium-size, medium-dive club, and includes national and (usually) local acts, usually indie-rock. The clientéle is pretty hipsterish, but not at all judgmental—it's a great place to let loose and get your dance on at the regular dance parties (or the after-show late-night dance parties), regardless of whether you know what you're doing. DC9 has some incredible drink specials on quality brews too.

Crazy, crazy story behind this one--closed for the foreseeable future. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 09:10, 29 November 2010 (EST)

Circle Boutique closed: (WT-en) Eco84 14:31, 14 May 2012 (EDT)

 * D.C. emphasizes status and bland power over all else when it comes to fashion, so Circle Boutique is a real breath of fresh air, offering slightly offbeat, but yet very classy and fashionable clothing for both sexes. A great local store, offering some very exclusive brands. But do expect to pay dearly.

Star nomination
As promised, more D.C. nominations. This is a section of town that I know pretty much in and out (although I can't totally vouch for the womens' shopping listings, of course...), and to my eyes it's complete. It's also formatted properly, unless I missed something, and hopefully my prose is up to snuff. This is my favorite part of the city, so it would bring me a smile to put a star on top. Thoughts? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:50, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

 * Support. Looks good! There are a few listings missing hours (Blink Optical and Circle Boutique under Buy and Ben's Chili Bowl under Eat) and an Eat listing missing prices (Negril), but other than that it seems great. (WT-en) PerryPlanet Talk 19:24, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

 * Oops! Fixed. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:00, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

 * Support. The only questions I'm left with is if the exhibitions inside the Thurgood Marshall Center and Black Fashion Museum are free, not that this nitpicking should prevent a star nomination from going through (that, and hmmmm, more alarming I noticed the IsIn tag isn't working on Washington, D.C. - lemme see if I can fix that) --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 20:19, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Ah, old news I guess --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 20:24, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Yeah, no one understands what's up with the D.C. breadcrumbs. I finally got responses from the TMC and BFM—the former is indeed free, and the latter closed last year. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:20, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

 * Support. Nice work again PF – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 02:24, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

 * Support. The photos in this article are superb — I can't think of an article on WT with better. And the depth of coverage is fantastic. Should it say that Thurgood Marshall wrote his opinion at the Y, or did he just think up what he was going to write while he was there (and do the actual writing somewhere else)? Also, there's some creeping confusion between "the district" as a term for D.C. and "the district" as a term for this district of the city. I'd prefer italics for the non-English words in the 'Eat' section, but that's just a personal preference. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 23:12, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

 * Hey thanks for the photo compliments! My camera is pretty low-grade, but that crisp March sky couldn't have been better. I went through and got rid of all ambiguous references to "the district" (I sort of figured this would become a problem). Re: Thurgood Marshall, to my knowledge, the idea that he actually penned the opinion there is an unconfirmed rumor. What is clear, though, is that that's where he met with other prominent members of the African-American bar to prepare the opinion. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:42, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Removed some content from the Do section that was downright wrong (concerned Thurgood Marshall center- claimed it was named because he "formulated his opinion on Brown v. Board" there. Thurgood was actually the NAACP's counsel, and was not a judge at the time.) Figured I'd document a deletion from an unregistered IP. 161.253.120.156 22:50, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Washington, D.C./Upper Northwest

Closed listings
Aroma was one of the best places in this section of town... --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:03, 9 November 2010 (EST)

 * A great, laid back, fashionable martini bar that has a smoking section (room) with a cigar bar. Later at night the space converts to more of a lounge, with DJs spinning hip hop (mostly old school) and reggaeton. The bartenders are quite knowledgeable, and can fix you an excellent cocktail.

 * The self-professed "tavern for the common man" is just a block north of the National Cathedral, has a sleek look, with great burgers and sandwiches as well as a good beer selection. Perhaps as a nod to the wine bar that preceded it at this location, Alliance also has a particularly good wine list.

Scope include Montgomery County?
Dose the scope of this include part of Montgomery County? Montgomery County's "Friendship Heights-Chevy Chase" is a link to this page, and it's description is "A neighborhood straddling both sides of the border with D.C., and home to D.C.'s most upscale shopping strip." Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 18:19, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Talk:Washington, D.C./Waterfront

The Awakening

 * The Awakening. At the end of Haines Point is a large statue of a man emerging from the ground.  Parking during off-peak hours is plentiful, otherwise, it's a bit of a walk (about 1.5 miles) from the Jefferson Memorial.  There have been threats in the past of removing this piece of art, so see it while it's still around!

I took out this listing, since the beloved statue has been dug up, in preparation for a move to the up-and-coming "National Harbor." When it gets there, we should move this listing there too. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:13, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

Closed listings

 * Zanzibar plays up its waterfront location for its reggae and salsa nights with exotic drinks. It also goes to pains to keep out the riff raff—it's 25+ and the cover charges are outrageous, usually around $20-30. The drink prices are no less expensive. But the club itself is beautiful inside and out, and has a great space for dancing. The dinner menu is similarly impressive (and expensive). Sunday champagne brunch is a real hit for its bottomless mimosas. W salsa, F carribean/reggae. The second level dances mostly to hip-hop and R&B.

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Talk:Washington, D.C./West End

Closed listings
Olives is closed for renovations (not sure for how long). When it reopens, it should be reintroduced to the article (and should be filled out to contain appropriate contact details and pricing)—it is a good recommendation. [update 20:15, 31 December 2012 (UTC) — closed for good]

Danny Diaz is apparently out of business. Columbia Plaza website indicates it's closed.

Java Green was reputedly reopening this February, but it seems to be closed for good instead. --Peter Talk 05:13, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

District map

I have replaced the map shown to the right with this one, as it has all the listings on it in icon form. If people would like to change it back, please discuss here. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:04, 16 August 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Washington, D.C. in four days

Washington (D.C.) in four days
Contains only an empty 6-section template, has no itinerary-related content ~ 61.91.191.10 14:31, 29 March 2007 (EDT) Please fill this in!
 * Keep. I think this has the potential to be an awesome itinerary.  I'll try to work on something, though, I will be working a lot this weekend and de: is about to hit a fairly important milestone. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 18:59, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep. Leaving an empty page means that someone will rise to the challenge. -- (WT-en) Tim 19:26, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep. Looks like an excellent itinerary in the making. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:58, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

Beggar Infested?
I lived for one year in Washington DC and it is NOT infested with beggars. They do exist, but it is not surprising at all. Whoever says this, hasn't clearly been or even remotely heard of any place in the third world. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 201.233.136.87 (talk • contribs)

 * Agreed, that's an extreme statement. Please feel free to plunge forward and make it better yourself! But please also try to keep the tone lively. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 01:46, 14 January 2008 (EST)

Climate error!
The article states that during winter, "Temperatures in D.C. are cold but seldom below freezing". This is NOT TRUE! For three months of the year (Dec-Feb) the average low temperature is below freezing. Average low temp in: Jan - 24 deg; Feb - 26 deg; Dec - 28 deg. These are stats for the downtown area (20002 zip code); higher elevations and the NW portion of the District can be quite a bit colder. If anyone relies upon this incorrect 'seldom below freezing' assertion they may end up more than a little chilly. I would like to correct this portion of the article but I'm afraid someone will freak out and erase my contributions. What to do? - (WT-en) Michael 3000 23:29, 9 March 2010 (EST)

 * How many nights in a normal Dec to Feb period does it freeze in DC? That would be the key to determining whether "seldom" is the correct description. I know from experience that averages can (not always) be  misleading due to outliers. If that all stacks up against "seldom", then please go ahead and change it. There are a few other things wrong with this itinerary which I have just spotted and will put right.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:59, 9 March 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Washington County (Maryland)

Merge?
I hadn't realized we had an article for Washington Co. until just now, and I'm not convinced that we really need one. The Western Maryland article is hardly overflowing with cities to the point where subdivision would be necessary, and it would stand to benefit a good deal if we merge content from this article to there. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 06:41, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Washtenaw County

Status change
Could somebody change the status of this travel guide, please? – (WT-en) CurvyEthyl 22:26, 8 October 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:WataugaCounty

Watauga County, North Carolina discussion page started.

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Talk:Watch Hill

Merging with Westerly
When I proposed merging Watch Hill with Westerly a couple of weeks ago, the article had relatively little content. It has developed since then into a significant article. However, the article is now inconsistent, describing Watch Hill as both a "District" and as a "Town". Which is it? - (WT-en) Huttite 05:56, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

 * Watch Hill can safely be considered a "District" within Westerly, because it is not a stand alone town.

 * We have just fixed that problem and added some pictures. I think the page looks really good. Is there any way we can get that notice on the top removed? Seeing we have developed it into a significant article and fixed the town, district mix-up. Thank you.

 * I support the removal of the "Merger Proposal." It seems pretty evident that the article is robust enough to stand as its own district template.

 * I also support the removal of the merger proposal. For me, Watch Hill is a distinct resort destination and the rest of Westerly doesn't attract or interest me.  I heard about the rest of Westerly only after I visited Watch Hill, and certainly not the other way around.

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Talk:Waterborne diseases

Two comments here. First, "morbility"? I believe the term is "morbidity."

Second and more serious, I can very easily see this article getting into some legally shaky ground pertaining to practicing medicine without a license. There aren't any problems with that so far, but problems may be around the corner if anything is said about treatment/prevention -- but if there is no discussion of treatment/prevention, is the article worth having? A lawyer I'm not, but it might be worth while to explore issues with that. Hopefully I'm just paranoid ... -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:40, 7 April 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Waterfall

vfd discussion
Archived from the Project:Votes for deletion page:

- an empty page with just the title Waterfall (WT-en) WindHorse 11:29, 18 October 2006 (EDT)
 *  Delete Redirect. (WT-en) OldPine 16:43, 18 October 2006 (EDT) Changed vote. (WT-en) OldPine 10:46, 19 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Could I sell you a redirect to Waterfalls? I've redirect it in the meantime, but go ahead and delete if this vote passes. -- (WT-en) Colin 16:46, 18 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Yeah, redirect to Waterfalls is fine. I just never thought of it. (WT-en) WindHorse 20:08, 18 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Redirect. is good. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 09:24, 28 October 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Waterfalls

Must See Waterfalls
No matter where you're from waterfalls are the focal points that draw people to nature. Here in Western North Carolina many visitors hike well worn trails to Pearson Falls, Triple Falls, Hooker Falls and many other popular area waterfalls.

It's not hard to wonder what the attraction to these beautiful, mesmerizing waterfalls is. The fact that you can observe so much water closely and vividly. Perpetual motion fueled by nothing other than gravity and rain. It is also said that waterfalls make people feel good because they generate negative ions (negatively charged air molecules created by a number of natural and electronic processes). Another great attribute is the soothing "white noise," a sound that engineers try to imitate for electronic gadgets that are designed to help you relax, concentrate or sleep.

Spectacular Western North Carolina Waterfalls(WT-en) Waterfallsrus

Alternative banner?
A suggestion for another banner. /Yvwv (talk) 23:55, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes I think the alternative suggested is better. --Traveler100 (talk) 00:45, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Heck yeah, this is better! -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:14, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Wrote the wrong code. For some reason, this banner shows up. How come? /Yvwv (talk) 13:10, 6 June 2016 (UTC) Iguaçu Falls banner.jpg

Image going below end of page
I moved some thumbnails around because one of them went beyond the end of the page. That was reverted, and now, again, the last photo extends beyond the end of the page. That's a hell of a lot worse than a photo of Niagara Falls showing next to the a section on someplace other than North America. LPfi and anyone else: If you don't like how I did it, fix it your own way, but don't leave it like this. Thank you. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:35, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

 * I was trying to fix it, but did not want the Niagara/India thing to be there for any longer than unavoidable. I think it is no problem that a Niagara image is not in North America, but I indeed find it a problem to have it in India. As I suspect the latest version still has too much of the problem for your taste on many displays, and I do not find any good way to move images or add enough decent text in an acceptable time frame, I remove the Stay safe image. It is kind of fun, but I do not think it makes the readers much safer, so not essential. It can be but back if we get some more content in the Americas --LPfi (talk) 14:48, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

 * That's an OK temporary solution, sure. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:56, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Waterford

With regards to the following entries which I have again removed.............

* The Big Cats Museum [10] on Whiskas St is dedicated to cats that - despite popular convention - boast a larger than average size. When you hear the popular slogan 'eight out of ten cats' this museum will be catering for the remaining two.

* The Travellers History Museum Waterford being home to the largest proportion of settled Travellers in Ireland has a rich store of historical offerings on the nomadic wanderers. Exhibits include dole cards from 1950s, replica caravans, and a photo exhibit of the bloody "Mickey Pa" riots of the 1980s. Owed to the wonders of 21st century technology, visitors to this wonderous emporium can now experience real traveller culture by playing 'virtual coursing', the simulated dog-hare bonanza. The museum is easy to find from its characteristic smell of urine, artifically added by curators to add to the authenticity of the experience.

Neither of these so called attractions exist in Waterford.

Touting
Please review WV:tout. Ground Zero (talk) 03:26, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

 * Did you mean to put that on a user talk page? Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:46, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * No. I don't think that the touting I removed was recent. I just wanted to explain why I took out the text that I did in case any of the contributors are still around. Ground Zero (talk) 09:40, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Waterford (disambiguation)

Appropriate disambiguation?
Is this an appropriate disambiguation. I have never heard of any of these US towns, but Waterford, Ireland is one of the country's most famous cities. Would it be appropriate to invoke our much, much, much, etc. more famous rule in this case? Or is it not a sufficient number of muches more famous? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:06, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Waterloo (Ontario)

Of all the Waterloo's in the world, I think the Belgian one (the original?), where Napoleon did surrender as ABBA sung, is the best known. So that one should be just "Waterloo". (WT-en) DhDh 12:05, 19 Nov 2003 (PST)

The Belgian one is just a small suburb of Brussels with no real attractions other than the battlefield. I'd say Waterloo, Ontario is more important and has more sights and attractions than Waterloo, Belgium (WT-en) Acton01 16:03, 13 January 2009 (EST)

I think we need to think about how to deal with Kitchener-Waterloo. It's a bit pointless to have them apart, considering that they have merged. They could be on one page with distinct districts of Kitchener and Waterloo perhaps. Basically, some Kitchener info has creeped on to the Waterloo page anyways: For example: Oktoberfest is a tradition carried on now by the Kitchener-Waterloo area, but it cannot be disputed that it is tied to the Germanic tradition of the former city of Berlin, ON, now called Kitchener. (WT-en) JB 5:04 PM, 15 Jan 2005 (Newfoundland ST)

not really internationally well known, maybe
"Wilfrid Laurier University and the University of Waterloo”aren't really known internationally (I went to one of them and never has anyone from outside Canada heard of either). Although I once saw UW mentioned as "the home of Canada's best Geeks" or somethine on PBS.  Much as I love WAterloo, it's just Canadian suburbia.

I disagree, at least with regards to UW engineering. Most of the American engineering students I've talked to know Toronto and Waterloo and that's it for Canadian universities. UW engineering is a well renowned program. I'm a co-op student at RIM from Memorial University, and I have to say, I hate Waterloo. This city is boring, has awful weather and worse food.

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Talk:Waterton Glacier International Peace Park

What to do about this article?
What should we do with this article? It's between a rock and hard place - Can't redirect to Glacier National Park or Waterton Lakes National Park. Disamb maybe? (WT-en) Sapphire 23:16, 3 April 2006 (EDT)
 * How about a one liner explaining that the park is a combination of two parks (plus some whys and wherefores) and adding two links to seperate article for those parks? (WT-en) WindHorse 4 April 06

 * The External links section on this page is probably not a good idea as we really don't want sections named "External Links" on any pages if at all possible. Ideally it might just be better to make this a disambiguation page (similar to North (India)) to avoid ending up with a lot of information duplicated between this article and the Glacier & Waterton articles.  That's just my opinion, however, and it may be possible to make this into a very useful article that doesn't duplicate the child articles. -- (WT-en) Ryan 00:16, 4 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Sorry, I didn't explain well. I was not suggesting adding the name of the two parks as external links, but establishing links to the parks within the introductory info. i.e 'The Waterton Glacier International Peace Park is a park in XX State ...... and is comprised of [A Park] and [B Park]. (WT-en) WindHorse 4 April 06
 * I thought that was what you were going for, but changed my mind while doing what you had suggested. After viewing the article I decided I still liked your idea. (WT-en) Sapphire 02:04, 4 April 2006 (EDT)

 * The way you have set up the page is very clear and seems fine to me. (WT-en) WindHorse 4 April 06


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Talk:Waterville Valley

Style & Copyleft
An anonymous user has been adding a lot of good info to this article, but that info appears to be copied from another web site and does not follow the Project:Small city article template. To the user: if you are the original author of information please create an account and then add a statement to this talk page saying who you are and that you wrote the info, otherwise we have to assume that it is a copyright violation. Second, please break up that info and include it under the standard section headings of this article - see the previously mentioned small city article template for details. In the interim the contribution will need to be reverted as we can't risk having content on Wikivoyage that is not licensed under the CC-SA license. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 08:34, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

 * Today's "contribution" is copied from http://www.visitwatervillevalley.com/press-releases/press-release-detail.aspx?id=5 which is a press release, but clearly is copyrighted at the bottom of the page there. (WT-en) OldPine 18:23, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

 * I've reverted since there is no indication that the content is CC-SA licensed. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:22, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Wawel

vfd discussion

 * Delete. Doesn't constitute a need for an article. It's a palace in Cracow, it's an attraction not a destination. (WT-en) Sapphire 05:58, 1 April 2006 (EST)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Jonboy 08:08, 3 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. I've redirected to Krakow/Old City. --(WT-en) Evan 10:11, 6 April 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Wayanad Wildlife Sanctuary

Is this just an attraction?
Should the Wayanad Wildlife Sanctuary have its own article when other Wildlife Sanctuaries in Wayanad do not? - (WT-en) Huttite 01:38, 24 November 2009 (EST)
 * Does not look like an article to me and it should be an attraction listed in Wayanad.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:40, 20 December 2009 (EST)

Sanctuary headquarters
The sanctuary headquarters is mentioned but there is no address info. Nurg (talk) 11:08, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Wayne County (Ohio)

Adjacent counties

 * Medina County (north)
 * Summit County (northeast)
 * Stark County (east)
 * Holmes County (south)
 * Ashland County (west)

Copying from the rticle page for when we have a "Template:nearby" rdf implementation. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 05:59, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

Dab This?
I think we need to make this Wayne County (Ohio). It is growing fast and will have a lot of links that need corrected. If everyone agrees, I will do over a weekend when I have time. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 07:40, 19 October 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Wayne National Forest

marijuana
If you question this information, it can be confirmed by a call to the Athens County Sheriff Dept. (WT-en) 2old 14:39, 11 September 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Way of St. James

Comments
Hello, I just wanted to leave a note for whoever else might be interested in editing this page. After doing the Camino de Santiago in 2007, I thought a wiki-style guidebook would be preferable to carrying a bulky travel book whose information might be limited or out-of-date.

I'd like to encourage other Peregrinos to make additions here, whether they did the Camino in the past or are doing it currently. I would love to see corrections and additions from people live, as they are doing the camino!

Buen Camino! --LBP 11:28, 15 September 2009 (EDT)

Merge in Camino de Santiago?
That article is at the head of European Itineraries, but hasn't been edited since May 24th, 2010 (not counting my edit). Is that fine? I would then make it a redirect. --(WT-en) rfilmyer 17:03, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

 * Yes, it should be a redirect, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 17:12, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

The French way
I think the linking to Routes to Santiago de Compostela from France and French Way is quite confusing, especially when the articles themselves do not explain what exactly they are about (the latter also shares some copied info with this article). As I understand it the latter tries to cover the route from Saint-Jean-Pied-de-Port (just across the border to Spain), while the former should handle the routes to there or Col du Somport (from Paris, Vézelay, Le Puy and Arles). All three articles should be slightly rewritten to reflect that intention (unless some other solution is better). --LPfi (talk) 16:01, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Copyright violation
Some of the edits seen here are lifted directly from https://www.pilgrim.es/en. For example, I did a search on "The Silver Route was the main path used by the Christian pilgrims during the Muslim domination of Spain." and turned up https://www.pilgrim.es/en/the-silver-route/. There is no good reason to use the phrase "during the Muslim domination of Spain", which reads strangely in English. How about "This was the most popular route during the period when Muslims ruled Spain"?

Meanwhile, it is essential for all copy-pasted content to be deleted. User:Marcosgonzalez, since you added the content, could you please fix the copyright problems? If not, anyone else will need to either fix the problem or just remove the text in question to save time. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:37, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

 * Also the map seems to be the same as on that site. Are you the author, as claimed on the description page at Wikimedia Commons? Otherwise it probably has to be deleted. --LPfi (talk) 09:00, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

 * The simplest thing to do is just revert to the last known good version. Would you support that, or is there another clean alternative you're confident has no copyright violation? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:14, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

 * As the person does not seem to answer, reverting seems to be the easiest solution. I'd not support deleting though; the changes can be incorporated in rephrased form and I am not terribly worried about small copivios hidden in the history. I filed a deletion request at Commons for the maps and elevation profiles. --LPfi (talk) 11:41, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

 * What do you mean by not supporting deleting? Deleting the copyvio from the history? That's unnecessary, I think? I thought we rarely deleted article histories unless the article started as a copyvio, necessitating the deletion of the article. The only exceptions I can think of had to do with doxxing or extremely obscene or threatening language or usernames. Anyway, I will make the reversion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:10, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

 * OK. That is what I think is the right way to do it. I have been involved in discussions (on sv-wp) where some think copyvios need to be deleted; I just wanted to make sure. --LPfi (talk) 15:12, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure, but I think this has been our practice. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:26, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

 * Good. It is on sv-wp. --LPfi (talk) 05:49, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Templates / GPX
I started inputting villages with markers, and sleep/eat/do templates so they will show up on a map and GPX files. OSMAnd started incorporating guidebooks from WikiVoyage so will hopefully make using the guide easy.--Clevercamel (talk) 01:56, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Wörthersee

I think this was mostly copied from WikiPedia:Wörthersee, so I'm going to start over with it. --(WT-en) Evan 21:40, 21 Nov 2004 (EST)

Apart from the Understand and Get around section (written by myself), nothing was copied from Wikipedia! Why did you delete all the other useful information? I'm reverting the deletion. As I am so far the authour of 99% of this article, it is not a copyvio 137.222.40.132 14:30, 10 Dec 2004 (EST)

 * Unless you are sole author, you do not have the legal ability to relicence the material to us because the stuff on Wikipedia uses the GNU FDL license and we use the CC-bySA. Basically the problem is that the stuff on Wikipedia contains a shared copyright between you and other people (it's a derivative work of the stuff you wrote) and you cannot take their copyright away.  See Project:Cooperating with Wikipedia. In the event that you do have an article on Wikipedia that is 100% yours, please make sure you communicate that to us by leaving a message on the talk page of the article.  -- (WT-en) Colin 15:01, 10 Dec 2004 (EST)

I've written 99% of the Understand section and I am so far the sole authour of the other sections, most of which were written on Wikivoyage first and don't even appear on Wikipedia! There is certainly no need to delete the whole article. I'll revert and leave the Understand section empty. 137.222.40.132 07:08, 11 Jan 2005 (EST)

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Talk:Würzburg

Overtly long argument about the article name
Should the title actually be Würzburg, or alternatively Wuerzburg (with "ue" to represent the umlaut)? (WT-en) Brendio 15:51, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * No, I think the title should be Wurzburg because the u is the English spelling while the ü is German. Many people simply drop the umlaut to transliterate the name. Wuerzburg is an alternative English spelling. Google suggests both are about as popular, with between about half and one million articles each in English containing only one of the 3 words. -- (WT-en) Huttite 17:26, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * On the official website for Würzburg (http://www.wuerzburg.de), it is listed with the umlaut in the English version of the page. Spelling it with the umlaut would keep it in line with other pages on Wikivoyage, such as Füssen and Tübingen. Nuremberg (Nürnberg) and Munich (München) I would count as exceptions in that these have well-known English names, and the change is more than just the umlaut in the English version. This usage is also in line with my printed guidebook. (WT-en) Brendio 18:14, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * According to Project:Why Wikivoyage doesn't use official names and the Project:Article naming conventions, articles should be called by their most common English name. Also Project:Foreign words recommends using both alternatives. In Wursburg's case there are 3 about equally popular spellings. Also Wikipedia spells it without a ü. In the case of Füssen and Tübingen, you may also want to compare their spellings with Fussen and Tubingen to see if redirects exist or a discussion like this has been held. Just because those names are spelled with a ü does not mean the spelling is the most common name; it probably just means that nobody has considered what the most appropriate name should be.
 * The English language has 26 letters; ü is not one of them. I maintain that ü indicates a German language spelling because ü is not used in English, but it is in German. Indeed I hold this same view with all diacritics on all place names.
 * I can accept someone writing ü in order to be culturally sensitive, or politically correct, but to me this indicates a German word being used in English. However, an English speaker who is not familiar with German will probably type Wurzburg rather than Würzburg because it is a lot easier to do, rather than loading up another language extension for their keyboard. In following this convention I consider such a traveller comes first when writing an article, so ask: what would they probably do if they had a choice? Once they find the article, generally where they expect it, I would expect to see the alternative spelling combinations. That way a traveller is reassured that they have the right place and know same place is spelled in different ways.
 * For Wurzburg, I find a google search turns up about half to one million uses of the word in English articles, depending on the query used. Würzburg and Wuerzburg appear to be seen as synonymns by google and also turn up around a million English articles, though Würzburg turns up several million articles in all languages. Given the possibility that Würzburg is used in articles that say they are in English, but are actually in German, I am inclined to say Wurzburg is the most common English name. I would consider Wuerzburg as a poor second as many would be confused and think Wuerzburg was a different place to Würzburg because of the extra e. Also, considering this information,  I think leaving the article as Wurzburg is the best option, unless there is an authorative English Language reference that indicates otherwise. -- (WT-en) Huttite 19:16, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * At the risk of opening a can of Worms, can I ask for clarification if a distinction is made between titles and usage within an article? Considering the traveller comes first policy, I could understand that a person with no knowledge of German would most likely type in Wurzburg rather than Würzburg or Wuerzburg when searching for the first time. However, once they are in Germany, they will be buying their train ticket to Würzburg, not Wurzburg. Should the version with the umlaut then be used within the article itself? In any case, redirects are cheap, and should be included whatever the final outcome (currently not the case from Tubingen or Fussen).

 * A couple of friendly points of contention: You said that "Wikipedia spells it without a ü" Wikipedia actually has a redirect from Wurzburg to Würzburg, and maintains the spelling "Würzburg" throughout. I agree with you that "The English language has 26 letters; ü is not one of them." However, the policy at Project:Article naming conventions allows the use of Latin characters, "with or without accents or diacritics."

 * And a query to open the can further. What is to be done with the etset (ß)? Obviously it should not be used in article names, but what about within an article? I would vote against it's consistent use throughout an article, just once at the beginning, following by the "ss" version. (WT-en) Brendio 19:43, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * For technical reasons I think article names (that is the URL's) should be spelt without diacritics and use only the English A-Z. If you look at the URL's that get produced by Würzburg, for example, they appear nothing like Würzburg or even Wurzburg. In a Google search this could immediately downrank the page because the actual term appearing in the URL is a significant factor for page ranking. Google highlights these terms, for example. For this reason I would suggest that Wurzburg is a much better article name. There should, of course, be redirects from all other spelling alternatives to this name, but the article should sit here.
 * Also, I have previously encountered a false rendering of of a name containing a ß, which leads me to suspect that URL's with diacritics and foreign characters in them can be misinterpreted, as they are non-standard, and not always rendered the same way. Also if someone has a characterset missing they may not even be able to recognise what character is being used, as missing or unrecognised chacters appear as a little box in my browser.
 * I am far more flexible over, what is said in the Article. I do not really mind which spelling version(s) gets used, provided the major alternative spellings are defined at least once at the beginning. We can debate which is the best option on a case by case basis. -- (WT-en) Huttite 20:09, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * The problem of formatting of the umlaut only seems to be a problem in the address bar (in Firefox at least), by which time you are already at the page and can read the various name versions in the first line of the text. Your suggestion of completely avoiding diacritics (in general) goes against the current Project:Article naming conventions, so I guess would have to be discussed there. As an aside, common practice for german web addresses is to add the e in the urls. As to lowering the page rank in Google, Wikipedia seems to cope with it okay, and at a quick glance currently comes up 7th for "Wuerzburg", 15th for "Würzburg", and not within the top 40 for "Wurzburg".
 * In the article, I think it should at least be consistent, which it is not at the moment and looks sloppy. Wikivoyageers without easy access to the umlauts could still edit without them, and those of us with German keyboards couuld then change them for consistency.(WT-en) Brendio 21:07, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)

There is no english name for Würzburg. Wurzburg is incorrect. (WT-en) Kingjeff 22:10, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * Well, here we should use the most common English name. I take it you are arguing that Würzburg is the most common usage of the name in English texts - on that I will agree. Thoug I still maintain it is not an English word. -- (WT-en) Huttite 16:44, 16 Jan 2006 (EST)

As far as I'm concern the debate has to be between using the umlet over the u or the "e". Using neither is incorrect. (WT-en) Kingjeff 22:21, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * I think the version with the umlaut is both correct and in accordance with the naming policy. I hate "ue" with a vengeance, as it's the worst of both worlds. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:40, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)

I totally agree. Using is the e is suppose to be used when a person can't use the umlet. (WT-en) Kingjeff 23:51, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Ok, I agree we use Würzburg as the article name. However, I disagree with you about Wurzburg. You are trying to argue that because Wurzburg is incorrect it should not used in the article. Yet I find over half a million references using a google search. Is it acceptable to say in the article that the name is (sometimes (mis)spelled as Wurzburg)? -- (WT-en) Huttite 16:44, 16 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Isn't the redirect from Wurzburg enough? Then the person can see that it should have the umlaut, but they don't need to have that character on their keyboard to get there. (WT-en) Brendio 17:07, 16 Jan 2006 (EST)

Webster's has Würzburg as a main entry, although it seems to have some software issues with Unicode text. Britannica has the same spelling, with umlaut.I don't know what people's definition of "an English word" is, but "listed in English encyclopediae and dictionaries" might be a good stake in the ground. The Getty Thesaurus of Geographical Names also gives the umlaut form as the "preferred" name. --(WT-en) Evan 16:53, 16 Jan 2006 (EST)

The fact is there is no english translation for Würzburg. Anyone who does not use an umlet or an e is wrong. (WT-en) Kingjeff 10:51, 17 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * English usage is made by people using words wrongly and making spelling mistakes. It might be a mistake if one person makes it, but what if everyone does, or accepts it? I know of no single authority that determines what is and is not correct English usage. For example: Americans drop the letter U if it appears after O from many words. However, I consider that an incorrect spelling, but it is still acceptable English.
 * I consider Wurzburg to be similar. It may be incorrect to you, but for many English speakers who are unfamiliar with German, they will see Wurzburg and Würzburg as alternate spellings of the same word - in English - even if it is incorrect in German. Likewise spelling Würzburg as Wuerzburg will not be seen as alternate spellings of the same word, even though they are intended to be phonetically equivalent. Essentially ü = u to many English speakers.
 * Please be aware that many English speakers come with cultural baggage (call it ignorance if you want) that simply strips off all the diacritics and just substitues a similar looking letter from the English alphabet. This is because the spelling of many English words bears little or no relationship to their pronounciation, unlike many other languages. In spoken English, speakers often learn how to pronounce each unfamiliar word from hearing others say the word, or through phonetic spelling systems. In effect English has developed into two parts, a written language and a spoken language, and in the written language the diacritics are a nusance because they are too hard to type, so they are dropped for a similar looking letter, not a similar sounding combination. -- (WT-en) Huttite 17:03, 17 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * That is why for each page with a diacritic should also have a redirect from the page without, and perhaps (not sure if it is really necessary) from the e-ized spelling. But we should still be sticking to the policy of keeping the diacritics unless an "official" or common English name exits. This gets over the barrier of cultural baggage (which unlike normal baggage is good to be losted as once travels) in allowing the person to find the page, and educating them at the same time. -- (WT-en) Brendio 17:25, 17 Jan 2006 (EST)

I don't accept not using an umlet. Are we going to change every name that has an umlet or foreign symbols? as far as deciding what usage we're going to use, this is a travel guide not an english website. (WT-en) Kingjeff 22:04, 17 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Well, actually, this is the English language version of the Wikivoyage website and here we use the most common English name. Now, if this was the German language version you would be perfectly right with insisting it was Würzburg and nothing else. Although we have accepted Würzburg as the article name, some English language speakers (probably a lot of them) will spell the name Wurzburg. According to this google search, over half a million web pages of them! While you may not accept bad spelling of the name, apparently a lot of other people do. Please remember the traveller comes first here, not you or me - (and I took German at school for 2 years, so at least appreciate the issue with German spellings, not like a lot of other English speakers). Whether or not you or I think it is right or wrong, a lot of other people out there in cyberspace accept the mispelling as being a valid alternative. That being so, we should at least mention it in the article as a mispelling and provide a redirect.

 * The redirect is already there, so what exactly are you arguing for? (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:07, 17 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Having Wurzburg as an alternative (mis)spelling mentioned once in the article. -- (WT-en) Huttite 01:43, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * As to changing all the pages with foreign symbols - frankly - yes. We should select the name that has the most common English usage. The quick (and dirty) way to do this is to strip off all the diacritics then wait for an objection.

 * No, I'm afraid you'll have to get Project:Article naming policy changed first, because it clearly says that Latin characters with or without diacritics are OK. However, said policy has already been debated extensively, and I think it's unlikely you'll be able to get a consensus to change it back into pure 7-bit ASCII only (which is what it said before). (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:07, 17 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * While article with diacritics are OK they may not always be the most common name. The quick and dirty method is to only determine a likely English name without diacritics. Then test it using google for commonness. -- (WT-en) Huttite 01:43, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * If you want to be more accurate, search google; compare the result with a search for the the same place with and without diacritics in English. Exclude the alternative spelling(s) if need be to get two independent counts. I did this for Würzburg, Wurzburg and Wuerzburg. Google counts more for Würzburg, but only 2 to 1 - not really by very much. And remember the default web language is English, which could overcount the foreign language spelling if a website is not strict about language settings - and most aren't. -- (WT-en) Huttite 22:56, 17 Jan 2006 (EST)

Weinfest
When is it? There's no much sense in citing an event in a travel guide without the dates. 155.56.68.220 04:38, 25 June 2007 (EDT)

Better train directions
Frankfurt airport seems to be the closest international airport, so those headed for Würzburg flying from outside Germany could most likely use specific train directions from the train terminal at FRA. Can anyone contribute some relevant advice there? (WT-en) Ijon 17:24, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Weed

Travel topic
This should be a travel topic! =P --(WT-en) globe-trotter 18:12, 22 January 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Wellington

Non-bus use of bus tunnel
The following text was removed by an anonymous user: Another challenge is to find the Mount Victoria bus tunnel and drive through it, skillfully avoiding the buses. - This is an illegal (and dangerous) activity for cars, trucks and pedestrians as the tunnel is one lane and restricted to bus traffic only. Other traffic (and pedestrians) should travel via the larger, longer and more convenient Mount Victoria road tunnel. -- (WT-en) Huttite 18:59, 7 May 2004 (EDT)

Actually, driving through the bus tunnel isn't really dangerous - although it is probably illegal. There is a traffic light system that Buses use when they see another bus at the other end (otherwise the bus drivers tend to ignore it). Walking through it is more dangerous, although a lot of people do it. You can see approaching vehicles (look backwards too!) and there are holes in the tunnel at regular intervals. Bus drivers will sometimes stop and yell at you if they catch you walking through the tunnel.

All day bus pass
Can someone confirm the $1 all day city bus pass? That seems very wrong to me since 1 section (all through the city) cost $1 each time.

 * $5 per http://www.stagecoach.co.nz/wellington/scnz_serwtgfares.html. Updated cost. (WT-en) Barefootguru 13:14, 14 Dec 2005 (EST)

Bars
Does anyone find it strange that Blend is the only Bar that gets a particular mention? This bar is not even a particularly unique or interesting one. It seems as though someone might be plugging their own business. I'm not sure if that is O.k or not. I know this is only an opinion, but surely what should be included are bars of particular note not just any old bar in Wellington. Any comments?(WT-en) Guavafruit 17:10, 8 January 2007 (EST)
 * Please plunge forward and add more bar information! It would be very helpful. We need more bar listings for this interesting city. As for your questions: business owners are welcome to add listings for their own businesses (bars, hotels, restaurants, whatever) but we ask that people don't tout (using promotional language that sounds fake and advertising). Your edits would be very welcome here. --(WT-en) Evan 16:55, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Hi, I will endevour to do so. But dont you think that the culmunation of allowing Bars, cafes and restaurants etc to freely add their own businesses would be a complete list of the bars, cafes and restaurants in that city? As Wikivoyage increases in popularity (which i am sure it will) All bars will want to be there. It seems to me that as a travel guide, what is wanted is not a complete list but a list of bars distinctive, particularly popular, historical, or of some particular interest. One can get a complete list of bars in Wellington from the yellow pages, doesn't wikivoyage want to provide a more exclusive list?(WT-en) Guavafruit 17:10, 8 January 2007 (EST)

 * Well, it's a good point. Yes, we want to be selective for a travel guide. But we don't want to exclude any contributors. If someone adds their own bar, and it gets deleted, well... that's tough. --(WT-en) Evan 00:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)

Sorry can't figure this one out. can anyone tell me how to fix the bar section so that the bullet points are all in the same vertical position? A little new to this. Tried reading the instructions but could not find info on this.(WT-en) Guavafruit 18:19, 8 January 2007 (EST)

 * You have to put at the end of the listing. --(WT-en) Evan 00:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)

Removed Randy Watsons bar. I did this because I cannot find anything about it on the net nor have i heard of or can find on the net the location of (a Wellington based) ANZAC bridge. I think if it is so exclusive as the writer says that you had better know someone or you won't get in(which i imagine is exaggerated) there is no point directing travellers there as they will have little to no chance of ever going there. I live in Wellington (and have done my whole life) and with the information provided i could not begin to find this bar. If it is not as exclusive as the writer says and someone can provide more info it should be re-added. I'll try and find it myself aswell--(WT-en) Guavafruit 20:59, 22 January 2007 (EST)

Safety of hitchhiking
While 99.9999999999% of the time you are perfectly safe accepting a lift

This states, literally, that only one time out of every trillion lifts given in New Zealand, something goes bad. I understand this isn't meant literally, but I'm embarking on a personal crusade against this sort of facile hyperbole, because 99.9999% of the time it's entirely inaccurate. Any objections to my changing the wording a bit? - (WT-en) Wandering vagrant 04:45, 8 January 2008 (EST)

 * Definitely no objections, that quote is a little too silly, and please do plunge forward and improve the article. But do also keep in mind that Wikivoyage encourages lively writing. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 06:10, 8 January 2008 (EST)

Links
I see that a lot of links have been dumped straight into the text. No problem, but it is easier to read when the writer places [ and ] around the link so that it appears as a clickable link.

Eateries in Drink section
There seem to be quite a number of eating places in the Drink section (under Cafes). Shouldn't we move them? Nurg (talk) 09:40, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes.
 * But it still should be "Cafés". (See the inconsistent and linguistically challenged Italian coffee roaster's site http://www.laffare.co.nz/Article.aspx?ID=555 ) --118.93nzp (talk) 16:38, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Reorganising the Wellington articles
has been districtifying the Wellington articles, which I think is ok. However, the scope of this article has been kinda changed from Wellington City to the "huge city" Wellington metro – with one of its districts being the "huge city" article itself, which is rather awkward. I suggest that its scope be reverted to what it was a few days ago, and it then be moved to a new title of Wellington/Wellington City. Then, a new "huge city" article can be created for the Wellington metro and placed at the name "Wellington" (which will have become a redirect in the meantime).

Also, we should probably scrap the Hutt Valley region article (after merging all useful content into appropriate articles), as we don't need a region article lying on a level between the huge city article and just two of the district articles. Nurg (talk) 10:21, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

 * Thanks . I was planning to move information to a new page Wellington/City for the city itself, but I ran out of time. That sound's a better way of doing it rather than trying to work with the existing article. I also agree there is no need for the Hutt Valley article, but it will be kept until such time when we can merge the useful content. Lcmortensen (talk) 10:59, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

 * Slight change of plan - it's easier copying listings over from Wellington to Wellington/City then reformatting the existing article. I've started that process already. Lcmortensen (talk) 11:07, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Could you please explain the new structure for Wellington and Greater Wellington that you are working towards so that other do not do edits that counter acts this. At the moment I see articles that need fixing. Probably best to wait until you have finished the rework before stepping in but would be useful to understand the end goal. --Traveler100 (talk) 17:20, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Here's the plan - sorry that it wasn't obvious: The Hutt Valley article will be deleted and info merged into Wellington, Lower Hutt or Upper Hutt as appropriate. Lcmortensen (talk) 04:31, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Greater Wellington - the region governed by the GWRC.
 * Wellington - the four cities that make up the Wellington urban area
 * Wellington City
 * Porirua
 * Lower Hutt
 * Upper Hutt
 * Kapiti Coast – Kapiti Coast DC area
 * Otaki
 * Paekakariki
 * Paraparaumu
 * Waikanae
 * Wairarapa – Masterton DC, Carterton DC and South Wairarapa DC area, plus some of Tararua DC
 * Masterton
 * Carterton
 * Martinborough
 * Thanks, now I see it. --Traveler100 (talk) 05:21, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Banner
The banner was unilaterally changed during June 2019 without discussion. I'm starting this discussion because I liked the old banner which screams Wellington to me, as opposed to any other city skyline. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:32, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The old banner has more character for sure. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:14, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I prefer the old banner. I have been to Wellington several times, and have memories of the lagoon and walking along the harbour edge, which is shown in the old banner. As, Wellington is hilly, I have seen views of the city skyline, but usually from a little lower down than in the current banner. AlasdairW (talk) 22:09, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I've reverted the change given we're all in favour of the old banner. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:07, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Welsh phrasebook

My name is ______. ______ ydy f'enw i. (_____ you ven-oo ee.)

Should this be:

"_______ YW f'enw i. (_____ you ven-oo ee.)

OR

"______ ydy f'enw i. (_____ UH-DEE ven-oo ee.)

90.206.69.64 15:11, 31 October 2011 (EDT)

Vowels
If "a" is as in "father", it's not as in many people's pronunciations of "pat", so I'd suggest deleting 'like "pat"'. Any objection? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:08, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

 * Also: "o" as in "pot": "Pot" in American English is generally "paht". Would 'like "oa" in "boat"' work here, or is it a sound used in British English and not by most Americans? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:10, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

 * Uh, unless I'm mistaken this was written by a Welshman: "father" as spoken in a Cardiff accent ("faaather", basically this with a TH instead of a V) shares a vowel with "pat". But you're right that most accents would distinguish them. I think "pat" is more accurate, at least the way it's pronounced in the UK. Like the O, the A is pronounced differently in American English. Pretty much impossible to explain how it 'should' sound in writing, especially since vowels seem a major point of disagreement even between accents from the same country (hence my enthusiasm for putting audio files on phrasebooks a couple of years ago), but it would not be like the O in "boat". Here's Oxford's take on the UK pronunciations for pot and pat.
 * I can't see a way to accommodate all or even most accents of English with these pseudopronunciations, but perhaps listening to the audio files may help you... --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:59, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

 * Yeah, audio files are really the way to go, but each time that's proposed, we haven't been able to get a consensus behind it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:09, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

 * Why do neither audio files nor IPA ever get anywhere? Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:25, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

 * IPA is not very user-friendly but audio files certainly are. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:28, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

 * Mark this as another way our anachronistic obsequiousness toward offline users (for whom audio files are useless) is a straitjacket restricting this site from improving the user experience in general. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:49, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

 * Shall we restart this argument? I supposed the thread would be at Wikivoyage talk:External links, but it seems to be somewhere else. Where? Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:03, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The one I remember taking part in was on Talk:Spanish phrasebook. ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 06:54, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I think we need to have a policy debate on the most appropriate page. Should that be the one on external links or something else? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:36, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Talk:Phrasebooks? I had always assumed we would be recording our own audio files "in-house", so we're not dependent on external websites. But perhaps that is not what you had in mind. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:11, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I suppose so. Yes, maybe that's the best page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:23, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Kelheim

Archived VfD
I don't know anything about the location, but it is listed as a single monastery, which I don't believe Wikivoyage covers. There is no city page for the city that it is listed as being in/near. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 09:17, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

 * Um. We just need to find somewhere to put the content.  --(WT-en) Inas 02:18, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Keep. Huh? Been There. Written it :) It is a nice place and definitely a great attraction. Great nature, architecture, history, beer :) I do not see why it should be deleted. Of course, add content - make it a part of a larger article about the surrounding park or may be some close city. I have just described what I have seen and it is definitely worth to be in the guide. Send some explorers there! :) (WT-en) Kyknos 09:02, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Hi, Kyknos. I think this monastery is probably better suited as an attraction listing within a destination article, rather than having an article of its own.  Project:What is an article? explains our guidelines on this subject.  (WT-en) LtPowers 09:57, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I completely agree, but within what destination? I do not know the area. There is a big park around which seems interesting on the maps and a bunch of small cities I do not know anything about. So I think it should stay as it is until someone can add more content (and rename article as needed). (WT-en) Kyknos 10:04, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Do you have a pamphlet or something from this monastery that gives an address? That might be the easiest way to figure out where to place it. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 10:23, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
 * No, but according do the German Wikipedia (if I understand it correctly), Weltenburg is a district of nearby town Kelheim - but we have no content for it now. May be someone with better German should look at it. (WT-en) Kyknos 18:26, 3 May 2009 (EDT)

 * Result: Move to Weltenburg, which is the name of the nearest settlement. There is a clear consensus we should keep this information, and that seems the best location.  It will need to be converted from an article about the monastery to one about the settlement.  (The settlement is in Kelheim, for which we don't have an article yet.)  (WT-en) LtPowers 21:18, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Wembley Stadium

Is this an article?
This looks like it would be an attraction in a destination article. Are we doing articles on stadiums now? -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 18:24, 15 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Definitely not an article, in my opinion, and we haven't had a policy change. VFD coming. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:49, 15 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Although wouldn't the stadium itself count as a desitnation, seeing as its size and importance are unrivaled in Britain so far as stadiums go? 88.105.47.184 18:16, 17 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Now that it's been nominated, you need to go to Project:Votes for deletion to discuss and vote on it further. -- (WT-en) Colin 19:06, 17 October 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Wenchuan

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Talk:Wenzhou

This article is clearly a usable article, fulfilling these criteria: A traveller could probably get to the destination, eat, and sleep with just this information. It would probably enable them to find at least the most prominent attraction there. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 125.110.116.252 (talk • contribs)

 * I'd say it meets the criteria for guide status, actually. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 05:45, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

WIN! (I wrote about 70% of this article!)

 * Nice work, then ;) Have you considered registering an account?  That would allow you some attribution for all your hard work.  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:13, 26 July 2009 (EDT)

newbanner
I think this picture can better show the beauty of Wenzhou, so I want to change it to this picture.

from File:Wenzhou banner skyline.jpg to File:Wenzhou1.png Ddccxl (talk) 06:29, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Wernigerode

Wernigerode
SWEPT IN FROM PUB

Please would someone peer review the Wernigerode article and let me know what is now essential to get it to guide standard. Many thanks in advance. --(WT-en) SaxonWarrior 11:44, 21 January 2012 (EST)
 * I've upgraded it to usable from outline. For guide status, the See, Do, Buy, Eat, Drink, and Sleep sections need summaries, and the listings need actual prices.  Drink listings need descriptions, and I'd also like to see the Sleep listings fleshed out more.  Museums should be in "See" rather than "Do".  (WT-en) LtPowers 13:01, 21 January 2012 (EST)
 * Thanks. I'll get to work. --(WT-en) SaxonWarrior 03:32, 22 January 2012 (EST)

Wernigerode "Buy" section and the future of Dotm generally
Hi, everyone. Do any of you know Wernigerode or feel like doing some web research on stores there? The article has been nominated for an Off the Beaten Path feature on the front page. It's a very good article, but the "Buy" section is a bit thin. Any help, especially from people who know the town, would be a good service to the site.

And while you're at it, have a look at Wikivoyage talk:Destination of the month candidates. Destination of the Month/Off the Beaten Path/Featured Travel Topic are the shop window of this site, where people who've stumbled in here or arrived at the front page intentionally can be attracted, but choosing good articles for that shop window and getting them shipshape for presentation to online passersby are labor-intensive tasks. All of us have lives offline, but if more of us pitched in a little work every month or even every other month, that would improve things greatly.

If you think this site is valuable and enjoy the front-page features, please consider devoting a little of your Wikivoyage editing time to Dotm every month. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:46, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:West Afghanistan

The Central Route
If anyone has recently done this route and knows the details we could create an itinerary page Central route (Afghanistan) possibly if there's enough info... taking 4-6 days, it takes up enough time to be worth it's own page! (WT-en) Cacahuate 07:31, 7 December 2006 (EST)

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Other destinations
There were none listed. I have added 8 so far but all very much open to discussion.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 00:18, 22 March 2010 (EDT)

 * I was going to suggest the Lomé Voodoo Market, until I saw that we haven't written about it! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:17, 22 March 2010 (EDT)

 * Voodoo is a good subject. Maybe we could just list the Northern Benin region as the birthplace and strongest centre of modern practice?
 * Another idea is the Cape Coast slaveforts of Ghana. That would though be the 3rd listed OD for Ghana.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:43, 22 March 2010 (EDT)

 * I think a lot of good places do not have articles about them. I thought of Goree Island, but that is just given brief mention in the Dakar article. Also, Sungbo's Eredo in Ijebu Ode (Nigeria) is the largest pre-colonial structure on the African continent, but that city has no page either. Mount Cameroon is also famous, but no article. Aren't there any famous places from the ancient Kingdom of Benin? Most sources on this region list the same few places. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 23:14, 22 March 2010 (EDT)

 * By all means create more articles! Sungbo's Eredo sounds more like an attraction to me though?  Mount Cameroon probably likewise? It is only a 5 hour trek to the summit.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:20, 22 March 2010 (EDT)

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For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:West Bank/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.

Isn't it a bit strange to have a picture of the wall? The West Bank has a lot more to offer, I suppose.

POV
Seems like the edits keep going back to a pro-Israeli/settler viewpoint? I was trying to keep the guide objective -we should not see this occuring over and over again... Think of the situation in kosovo - are we to only offer a pro-Serbian or Kosovar view? hope we can take out the pro-Israeli bias or at least offer more neutral language!.. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 69.215.158.15 (talk • contribs)

 * Hmm, can you provide some examples? Are you referring to the Understand section, or to something more systematic? I suppose striving for objectivity is useful for the historical background section, but for the most part, the information here should be subjective—from the perspective of what we think a traveler should know. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:18, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Sure, first off the West Bank is home to Christian and Muslim areas of interest too. Secondly, to refer to parts of Israel as part of the West Bank?? (as it maybe geograpically as this is the only way I can make sense of this statement, but not in the political sense!) is plain wrong. The territory is officially not part of any nation. period. To not mention anything of the PNA aspirations of the West Bank to be part of a future Palestine but to talk at length about settler policy is strange and to refer to Jewish settlers in the West Bank as ones returning from exile is clearly showing bias any way you look at it. Thanks for your quick interest to my post! Hope we can make the article more neutral as it has a great start!

Switched back the statement regarding the "liberation" of the west bank by Israel to an apolitical statement regarding occupation- the official term used by the media. Loosing hope that this article will ever meet the goal of pro-settler bias with such events...

Population figures
the population number for the jewish settlements are wrong! Check the latest AP news reports.. if you combine both the regions including the E. Jer. area the total would amount much less than the stated 500,000 but this too is always switched back to appear to give the Israeli settlement more of pop. base than really exists in reality... very frustrating as I try to make all articles on the P.T. neutral as possible. the political agenda in this article must be removed! We need facts not pro-right wing Israeli statements. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 218.6.247.158 (talk • contribs)

 * First, please assume good faith. If someone challenges your edits, best to provide a reference (an AP report, I assume) for your figures here.  Otherwise, plunge forward!   --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:48, 28 July 2009 (EDT)

F.Y.I.: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090824/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_netanyahu;_ylt=AlM_86931HHTzvgC91iAxNFY24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTJtb3AwaTQyBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwODI0L21sX2lzcmFlbF9uZXRhbnlhaHUEY3BvcwM0BHBvcwM0BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDaXNyYWVsc25ldGFu

Separate articles for areas A+B and area C?
As someone who lives in the West Bank it is obvious to me that there is a clear distinction between tourists who come to areas A+B and those who tour area C. Tourists in areas A+B are mostly Christian tourists going to visit holy sites who have little interest in attractions in area C whereas the vast majority of tourists visiting are C are Jewish and therefore very unlikely to safely visit areas A+B. This being the case it would seem prudent to make separate pages for area C and areas A+B as the goals and interests of the visitors to each area are mutually exclusive. Separate pages would make it easier for tourists to plan their trips.

Suggested titles: Palestinian areas of the West Bank Judea and Samaria —The preceding comment was added by 79.176.142.225 (talk • contribs)

 * I hope you don't mind that I moved your new topic to the bottom of the page and added your signature, as is customary on talk pages on this site.

 * My answer is no, I don't think it would be a good idea to have separate articles on Palestinian areas and Jewish settlement areas, because I think that would make things even more complicated. However, it would be great to clearly and coherently cover these different areas in this article.

 * But all that said, if you'd like to try making the separate articles you propose in your userspace (e.g., User:79.176.142.225/Sandbox) and providing a link to them in the Travellers' pub for comments and possible edits from others, go ahead. You might convince a consensus to support them, or they might end up having useful information to merge here, which would be good in itself. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:20, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

 * I should add that I put some rudimentary information on the differences between travel to Palestinian and Israeli areas in the "Understand" section. Any corrections or elaboration would be most appreciated. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:55, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Editorializing
What do you think of the following?

 * Quote:"Don't spend much or any money going to Mar Saba. Palestinians are currently trying to claim back the land here to get shops and houses built to earn money from the tourists that come here. However, this is exactly the opposite of what the monk at Mar Saba are intending or interested in – talk to them about it. It makes you think whether Mar Saba might be a good example of what Israelis do to Palestinians, Palestinians do to orthodox Christians on a small scale, claiming the land of other people on the basis of their own business and society interests without respecting the will of the people that legally lived there originally."

I'm not sure we want that kind of editorializing in our articles, especially in politically sensitive ones. What do you think? Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:56, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Strongly agree with removing that. Ground Zero (talk) 15:11, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree, too. Wikivoyage doesn't take a position on political questions like this. About the most that could be said is that Palestinians are split on this question, but it really seems easiest just to remove this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:45, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Removed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:49, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Re-added the part relevant for the respect of Mar Saba - no reference to any conflict with Palestinians. Ceever (talk) 01:23, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Is there any sensible regional breakdown?
Should we break this down by region in some way? If so, is there any sensible breakdown? How relevant are the various overlapping political lines? Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:58, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I would need two questions answered before I could support breaking up the article: 1) is there a sensible division? 2) is the article even big enough to need division? Ar2332 (talk) 17:58, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Looking at the dynamic map, one might assume they're attempting a world record in border density, I guess we need a local to make any sense of that :P . Not sure if we need to divide the West Bank into regions; the article isn't that extensive, the Hebrew article doesn't do it and we have some countries (that are even larger) like Moldova and Sierra Leone that aren't divided either. --ϒpsilon (talk) 18:01, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Bethlehem - "and a Jewish holy site as the City of David"
While the Bible says Bethlehem is David's hometown, I have never heard of any Jews regard it as a "holy city" or a site worth visiting for that reason. They do visit the Tomb of Rachel, but that is outside the city. So I would delete this line. Ar2332 (talk) 18:02, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Irrelevant material in Understand section
What exactly is the point of the extremely long additions to this article, including many things of little relevance to West Bank travelers like the quality of Nasser's military predictions, the strategic relevance of the Golan to Israel, where Egypt and Israel signed their peace agreement with Israel, and the moderate policies of Jordan decades ago? I understand we all have strong opinions about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but Wikivoyage is not the place to trumpet them. I suggest that a lot of the Understand section now needs to be deleted. Ar2332 (talk) 11:56, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I think we should have more people weighing in before we do something major about it... Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:09, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

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Adding stuff that was copied to the Calcutta page out of the blue. Potentially useful — (WT-en) Ravikiran 09:53, 7 June 2006 (EDT)

Districts/cities
The list of cities is growing enormous. The ideal number on the page should be a maximum of nine, so if anyone has the knowledge of the city and distict relationshhips, it would be helpful if they could place the lesser known cities onto their specific district page - see Karnataka as an example. Thanks. (WT-en) WindHorse 00:17, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Also, not all districts should be listed here. The state should be divided into regions and the districts should come under the respective region articles. See Maharashtra or Karnataka once again. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 09:39, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Done, as desired. I hope it is alright. If not, it can always be changed. -- (WT-en) P.K.Niyogi 11:29, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Looks fine by me. Boy, you worked really hard on that - kudos. (WT-en) WindHorse 11:30, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

 * West Bengal has approx 30 city articles of which some are empty. Therefore, the present structure with two levels of subregions (regions and districts) does not seem to be necessary.  I suggest we increase the number of regions from three to four or five (to ensure that no region has more than nine cities) and then eliminates the district level.  Any thoughs on this are most welcome.  (WT-en) ClausHansen 09:44, 5 January 2010 (EST)

Research links
I rolled these extlinks back, but they might be useful for research. --(WT-en) Evan 12:43, 10 December 2006 (EST)

 * Travel Article on Boronti, Purulia by Rangan Datta
 * Travel Article on Murguma & Kairabera by Rangan Datta
 * Travel Article on Frazerganj by Rangan Datta
 * A discussion group
 * A systematic history
 * A short history
 * An article on Chandraketugarh by Rangan Datta
 * An article on Achipur by Rangan Datta
 * An article on Pundooah, Hooghly by Rangan Datta
 * An article on Ballal Dhipi by Rangan Datta
 * An article on Shivniwas by Rangan Datta
 * An article on Dhosa & Tilpi by Rangan Datta
 * An article on Karnasubarna by Rangan Datta
 * An article on Nandadirghi Vihar by Rangan Datta
 * An article on Gour by Rangan Datta
 * A travel article on archeological sites near Calcutta by Rangan Datta
 * Rangan Datta's Home Page

"Cities" list
There are currently 10 listed cities, but there shouldn't be more than 9 in a state article for a state with regional articles. Here's the list:

 * Kolkata — this centre of Bengali culture, the largest city in the state and the capital of the country until 1911, is known as the "City of Joy"
 * Howrah — Kolkata's twin city, the second-largest in the state, with the largest railway complex in India
 * Darjeeling — a beautiful hill station and centre of a major tea growing area.
 * Siliguri — a major business and shopping centre
 * Durgapur — an industrial metropolis
 * Asansol — an important mining and industrial centre
 * Bardhaman - a major agricultural town
 * Haldia — a developing port city
 * Malda
 * Baharampur

Which one is least important, and therefore should be removed? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:23, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Malda can be removed. Calcutta is called "City of Buildings" and "City of Palaces" not "City of Joy", Debarunb 01:30, 19 February 2015 (IST)
 * Thanks a lot. Done. And how should we describe Baharampur? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:07, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Replace it with Chandannagar-a former French colony or Murshidabad - former capital of Bengal under Mughals Debarunb 2:05 19 February 2015 (IST)
 * Which one of those do you think is more interesting for travellers? And just to clarify: This would be a replacement for Baharampur? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:51, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Do we have to abide by the '9' rule? These 3 cities have their own unique culture and architecture. Travellers will find them equally interesting, as they represent 3 different empires and things they have left behind.( Baharampur-East India Company, Chandannagar-French India and Murshidabad-Mughal empire with an Afgan king). Debarunb 2:40 19 February 2015 (IST)
 * We do have to abide by that rule because the state is subdivided into regional articles. Is there any other city currently listed that would be better to remove? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:54, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * By the way, it's perfectly fine to summarize what's interesting about all those cities in prose in the "See" section. But I'd like to settle on a good list of 9 cities before I create the India Expedition/West Bengal article to chart the status of the city articles linked from this article and discuss the most important tasks needed for each of these city articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:19, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

[unindent] Would anyone like to suggest which 9 cities should be listed in the "Cities" section? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:50, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Calcutta, Darjeeling, Siliguri, Durgapur, Baharampur, Chandannagar, Murshidabad, Howrah and Bardhaman. Debarunb 14:12, 20 February 2015 (IST)
 * Great. Since no-one else seems to be participating in this discussion, I'd suggest for you to please make the appropriate changes, introducing new 1-liner listings as needed. I'd normally be happy to do it myself, but my computer is in the shop and may be kaput (I'll know more in a day or two), and I can't cut and paste on this dumb phone. Ordinary editing like this reply itself is not so easy to do on this old LG Lotus Elite. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:04, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Nevermind: My laptop was fixed and is working now, so I made the changes. Baharampur still needs a 1-liner listing, however. If you'd like to try your hand at one, please do so! I've actually never been to West Bengal, or further west in India than Varanasi and Sarnath, and I'm unfamiliar with Baharampur, so I could use the help. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:52, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I am curently working on the Understand, Get around, See and Do sections of West Bengal and her regions. Will focus on individual cities once I am done there. -Debarun (talk) 08:34, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No rush. All your work is appreciated! Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:41, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Insurgency
"Infest" is a word associated with pests not humans. Technically the government is the antagonist in the present situation, but I won't delve into political issues here. The insurgency part was irrelevant, so I took it upon myself to delete it, anyone thinking different may undo the change, but it is advisable to keep the tone neutral. - Debarun (talk) 21:22, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

 * What's most relevant to travellers in terms of insurgencies and counterinsurgencies is potential danger and how to lessen and deal with it. Secondarily, some background related to it may be interesting and help a visitor understand the state. Incidentally, the standard on this site isn't a neutral point of view by "be fair". It sounds like you did right in regard to the word "infest." Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:09, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

 * I gave an one liner description on the insurgents in the History section. The issue is of no concern from a traveller's point of view. Debarun (talk) 10:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

"Other destinations"
These are also supposed to number no more than 9 and exclude cities (including hill stations; see Talk:India). So what should we do with this section? Let's keep in mind that anyplace that has compelling sights can be summarized in prose in "See" with a link. I think it would be best if we could come up with a list of 9 compelling non-city destinations and move the rest of the section here for reference in terms of the "See", "Do" and possibly other sections. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:38, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Made the relevant changes, but kept Sandakfu due to it's geographical importance Debarun (talk) 10:29, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * It's totally normal for a high point to be in this section. It's really an "other-than-cities (villages, towns, etc.) destinations" section, with a few exceptions that really amount to a city being linked but the huge temple complex or ski resort that dominates it being given as the destination. I was recently involved in a discussion of listing towns with ski resorts in this section, with formatting discussed toward the end of the section. The discussion is at Wikivoyage talk:Region article template. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:55, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Picture(s) for the "History" subsection
While I'm thinking about it, it's great to illustrate "History" sections with photos of great historical buildings or relics that visitors can see. If anyone has a good idea of what to put in that section, please insert it at your leisure. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:41, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

India Expedition/West Bengal
This article has been created to chart and discuss the 9 city articles linked in the "Cities" section. Please have a look, if you're interested. All these 9 cities must be at Usable status or better for West Bengal to be advanced to Guide status. The chart could be expanded to include other cities in the state and/or "Other destinations" articles if anyone would like to do that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:17, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Is itinerary a destination?
I've noticed a problematic listing in "Other Destinations".
 * — Sandakphu (3,636 metres) is the highest point in West Bengal and Phalut (3,600 metres) is the northernmost point of West Bengal. The trek combines both these points offering great views of Kangchenjunga and several other snow peaks including Mount Everest.

This is a trek (a subclass of itinerary) and not really a destination per se, although two destinations are discussed in the article. Should we replace this with any other "other destination"? Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 04:33, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

 * Edit: I've already replaced it with Singalila National Park and the trek is now listed at North Bengal. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 14:44, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Regional overhaul
I think the name "Foo Bengal" of most regions in West Bengal is not always appropriate, since we have separate articles for West Bengal and Bengal and certain region names can be confusing. Besides, some of the regions have too many destinations. So I think we should reorganise the regional breakdown of West Bengal like the following: --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 18:51, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Darjeeling Hills (Darjeeling, Kalimpong): 12 bluelinked destinations + Singalila National Park
 * Dooars (Alipurduar, Cooch Behar, Jalpaiguri): 9 bluelinked destinations + Siliguri (as a trans-regional city)
 * Central Bengal (Dakshin Dinajpur, Malda, Murshidabad, Uttar Dinajpur): 9 bluelinked destinations + 3 redlinked destinations
 * Nadia: 8 bluelinked destinations
 * Southeast Bengal (Howrah, Kolkata, North 24 Parganas, South 24 Parganas): 18 bluelinked destinations + 1 redlinked destination
 * 24 Parganas (North 24 Parganas, South 24 Parganas): 15 bluelinked destinations + 1 redlinked destination
 * Kolkata (orphaned destination)
 * South Rarh ( Howrah, Jhargram, Paschim Medinipur, Purba Medinipur): 15 bluelinked destinations
 * West Rarh (Bankura, Paschim Bardhaman, Purulia): 12 bluelinked destinations + 2 redlinked destinations + Maithon (as a trans-regional town)
 * East Rarh (Birbhum, Hooghly, Purba Bardhaman): 16 bluelinked destinations

 * Yes, I have got confused myself a few times when looking at these articles. In the suggestion, Southeast Bengal remains, would there be some alternative name for that?

 * I don't know the region, so I have little to say about the intended partitioning itself. Twelve to sixteen destinations, as in some of the subregions in this scheme, are quite many, but it is still a manageable number even if there is no good way to group them (which there may be).

 * –LPfi (talk) 07:55, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find a better name for Southeast Bengal. "24 Parganas" may work, but I have to exclude Kolkata, Howrah and Gadiara from the region. Therefore, I've changed my proposal as such. However, the total number of destinations in 24 Parganas will be reduced to 13 by early 2023 after the formation of two frontier districts, by combining those two districts with Nadia and renaming the resultant region "Eastern Frontier (West Bengal)" or something. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 08:11, 10 November 2022 (UTC) Edit: The new district proposal is now largely halted and only two new districts will form instead: Basirhat and Sundarbans. Therefore, the regional breakdown will remain as it is. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 05:07, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
 * By early 2023, the regional breakdown of West Bengal should be something like the following:
 * Darjeeling Hills (Darjeeling, Kalimpong): 12 bluelinked destinations + Singalila National Park
 * Dooars (Alipurduar, Cooch Behar, Jalpaiguri): 9 bluelinked destinations + Siliguri (as a trans-regional city)
 * Central Bengal ( Berhampore, Dakshin Dinajpur, Jangipur, Kandi, Malda, Murshidabad, Uttar Dinajpur): 9 bluelinked destinations + 3 redlinked destinations
 * Eastern Frontier (Basirhat, Ichhamati, Nadia, Ranaghat): 11 bluelinked destinations
 * Nadia: 8 bluelinked destinations
 * <S>24 Parganas ( Basirhat, North 24 Parganas, South 24 Parganas, Sundarbans): 15 bluelinked destinations + 1 redlinked destination
 * <S>Kolkata (orphaned destination)
 * <S>South Rarh (Howrah, Jhargram, Paschim Medinipur, Purba Medinipur): 15 bluelinked destinations
 * <S>West Rarh (Bankura, Bishnupur, Paschim Bardhaman, Purulia): 12 bluelinked destinations + 2 redlinked destinations + Maithon (as a trans-regional town)
 * <S>East Rarh (Birbhum, Hooghly, Purba Bardhaman): 16 bluelinked destinations
 * --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 08:27, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Nadia might be a bit low on destinations compared to the others, but 8 is still a lot more than many other region articles we have. Otherwise, the regional breakdown seems good to me. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 11:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Nadia covers the Nadia district of West Bengal and eight destinations are enough to cover major attractions in the district. If Ichhamati district will ever get created, it (and Basirhat district) will be combined with Nadia and the resultant region will be renamed to "Eastern Frontier (West Bengal)" or something. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 14:45, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

According to Region article template and Wikivoyage talk:Region article template/Archive 2004-2012, "Other destinations" is not for cities and other settlements but for islands, national parks and other nice subregions. Therefore, I've altered the proposal to the following: --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 12:41, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Darjeeling Hills (Darjeeling, Kalimpong): 11 cities + 2 other destinations
 * Dooars (Alipurduar, Cooch Behar, Jalpaiguri): 6 cities + 4 other destinations
 * Central Bengal (Dakshin Dinajpur, Malda, Murshidabad, Uttar Dinajpur) 10 cities (7 bluelinked + 3 redlinked) + 2 other destinations
 * Nadia: 7 cities + 1 other destination
 * North 24 Parganas: 7 cities + 1 other destination
 * South 24 Parganas: 6 cities (5 bluelinked + 1 redlinked) + 3 other destinations (2 bluelinked + 1 redlinked)
 * Kolkata (orphaned city)
 * Rarh: 4 subregions
 * Birbhum: 9 cities
 * East Rarh (Hooghly, Howrah, Purba Bardhaman): 8 cities + 2 other destinations
 * South Rarh (Paschim Medinipur, Purba Medinipur): 12 cities
 * West Rarh (Bankura, Paschim Bardhaman, Purulia): 11 cities (9 bluelinked + 2 redlinked) + 5 other destinations

 * I might other ahead to split North Bengal and North Central Bengal for now. Later splits will be done gradually. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 04:54, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Almost ✅. Only the names of the two regions (North Central Bengal and Southeast Bengal) are kept unchanged for now, especially Southeast Bengal, which will be divided by early 2023. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 06:45, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Dooars and most of North Central Bengal are merged into Northern Plains (West Bengal), while the remainders of North Central Bengal and Birbhum are merged into Central Bengal. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:25, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

"Cities" and "Other destinations"
I think we should reorganise the two sections like the following:

Cities

 * (Calcutta) — the capital of West Bengal, the cultural capital of India, known as the City of Joy and home to numerous colonial buildings

 * (Burdwan) — a major agricultural city

 * (Chandernagore) — a former French colony

 * — a beautiful hill station and centre of a major tea growing area

 * — known as the Ruhr of India and home to Durgapur Steel Plant

 * — Kolkata's twin city, the second-largest in the state, with the largest railway complex in India

 * — former capital of Bengal under the Nawabs

 * — town of Rabindranath Tagore's university Visva Bharati and known for exotic handmade goods

 * — a major business and shopping centre and gateway for travellers to Sikkim and North-Eastern India

Other destinations

 * — a low-lying hill in the Rarh region

 * — wildlife centre

 * — a forested area located in Buxa Hills is a habitat for tigers, Asian elephants and other mammals plus a variety of birds, amphibians and reptiles

 * , — rolling grasslands and forest is rich with herbivores such as the Indian rhinoceros and elephants birds, reptiles and amphibians

 * — an historical and heritage town north of the Ganges

 * — a national park with wildlife including one-horned rhinos

 * — a Hindu pilgrimage site with unspoiled beaches

 * — a popular trekking destination with Mt Sandakphu, the tallest peak of West Bengal

 * — a with Royal Bengal Tigers and deer found in forests and mangrove swamps

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