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Listings
Some clutter listings from TAT, I put them here to clean up the article:

Eat:

 * New Sombun (นิว สมบูรณ์) Mu 10 Mae Sai, Tel: 0 5373 1441 (Chinese food)
 * Rabiang Kaeo (ระเบียงแก้ว) Tel: 0 5373 1172-3 (Thai food)
 * Rim Khong (ริมโขง) 15 Mu 8 Chiang Saen-Sop Ruak Rd., Tel: 0 5365 0459-60 (Thai food)
 * Tai Thong (ไทยทอง) In Thai Thong Hotel, Super Highway, Tel: 0 5373 1975-6 (Thai food)

Sleep:

 * Amporn Resort (อัมพร รีสอร์ท) 11 Mu 5 Phahonyothin Rd., (Tel: 0 5373 1769, 0 5364 6369), 32 rooms: 500-2,800 baht
 * Ban Chong Lanna Resort (บ้านจ้องล้านนา รีสอร์ท) 99/1 Ban Chong Soi 4 Tambon Pongpa (Tel: 0 5364 6871-2, 0 5364 6780), 10 rooms: 700-1,200 baht
 * Ban Ta Yai (บ้านตายาย) 164 Tambon Ko Chang, Mueang Taeng Rd., (Tel: 08 1825 1159), www.bed4u.net, 3 bungalows: 500-800 baht
 * Chokratri Resort (โชคราตรี รีสอร์ท) 167 Mu 10 Ban Pataekmai Tambon Wiangpangkam (Tel: 0 5373 4092), 5 houses: 1,000-3,000 baht
 * Du Doi Suay Resort (ดูดอยสวย รีสอร์ท) 399 Phahonyothin Rd., km.879 (Tel: 0 5370 9800, 0 5370 9313), www.geocities.com/dudoisuay, 40 rooms, 1,800-6,000 Bath
 * Fai Nam Rim Than (ฝายน้ำริมธาร) 7 Mu 1 Ban Chong Soi 5 (Tel: 0 5364 6674), 12 rooms: 600-1,500 baht

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 13:14, 8 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Mae Sot

TAT Listings
Moved TAT listings that clutter the page to Talk:Mae Sot/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 23:37, 2 February 2010 (EST)

Ban Thai listing
This text keeps getting edited out w/o explanation by 118.172.151.87:

"The Manager, Thant is a good source of information about the local schools (of which there are over 50) that work with Burmese refugee children. Do NOT leave tips for maids with Thant; he will keep the money for himself; the maids Never receive your tip. Thant is not the kind man he pretends to be."

I haven't been to Ban Thai or even Mae Sot and have no idea whether the info is accurate or not, but I don't like unexplained edits. Can someone please discuss what to do with this kind of plus-and-minus review that includes specific accusations? For your reference, this is the apparently uncontroversial beginning of the listing:
 * Ban Thai, down a soft gravel alley, with a very peaceful atmosphere. Rooms are clean, but Air Con does not seem available.

One option to avoid an edit war is to simply delete the whole listing, but it would be best to just clear up this controversy. Thanks, everyone. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 10:42, 8 August 2011 (EDT)

Lusy's Home GuestHouse photo
Nice photo, but I'm concerned that it or its caption may constitute advertising and run afoul of Wikivoyage's policy on commercial images. Your comments, everyone? (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 06:16, 4 March 2012 (EST)

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Amphoe Mae Sot
This district is 86 km from Amphoe Mueang Tak. It was declared as a district in 1898. Its former name is Phra No Ke. The district is located on the plain flanked by the ranges of mountains in Thailand and Myanmar. It covers an area of about 2,600 sq km; the population consists of hilltribes, migrants from Amphoe Mueang, and some Burmese people who have a Thai family here. The history of Mae Sot is still unknown whether it was the town of Chot; Khun Sam Chon, the ruler of Chot, used to lead an army to attack Sukhothai. No old buildings dating back to the Sukhothai period have ever been found. It is therefore conceded that it is not the same town. At present, an archaeologist has found the remains of an ancient town in a thick forest of Amphoe Mae Ramat. This is probably the town of Chot as mentioned in the scripture stone of the Sukhothai period. Wat Mani Phraison (วัดมณีไพรสณฑ์) This temple is located near Mae Sot Market. Within the compound, there is a unique building called ‘Chedi Wihan Samphutthe’ which contains 512,028 Buddha images and has 223 small pagodas on its outer surface. The ancient Ubosot (ordination hall) is more than 200 years old. Its gable and roof are decorated with beautiful wood carvings. There are also pavilions and niches containing Buddha images in various attitudes: Luangpho Sangkatchai, stucco reclining Buddha image, etc. Wat Chumphon Khiri (วัดชุมพรคีรี) This temple is located in the Tambon Mae Sot Municipality. It is an ancient temple of more than 200 years old. A newly-built Chedi is an imitation of Shwedagon Pagoda in Myanmar. The principal Buddha image in the Ubosot (ordination hall) is of the Mara-subduing attitude. An ancient drum of more than 200 years old is kept in the Wihan (image hall). Namtok Mae Kasa (น้ำตกแม่กาษา) This large waterfall is located in Tambon Mae Kasa. There is a path leading the way up to a high mountain. A cave in front of the waterfall has a 5 m wide stream of water which serves as an entrance to the waterfall. Travel: Take the Mae Sot – Mae Ramat route (Highway No. 105), follow the sign to Ban Mae Kuet Sam Tha at around Km 13 – 14 for about 4 km, and take a lane off the road for about 1.5 km. Bo Nam Ron Mae Kasa (บ่อน้ำร้อนแม่กาษา) This hot well of 2 m wide is located in Tambon Mae Kasa, right in the village. Hot and cool streams flow to meet at this well. Visitors can smell sulphur throughout the village and see slight vapour just above the ground. At an edge of the well, the water is easily seen boiling and its temperature is fairly high. A private room for mineral bathing is available. The village is amidst the beauty of nature encompassed by a high mountain and farming land. Travel: Drive along the Mae Sot – Mae Ramat route, take a turn at around Km 13 – 14 to follow the same route to Namtok Mae Kasa for about 7 km and enter into the village towards the hot well. Hill tribe Development and Assistance Centre and Tak Plant and Production Factor Service Centre (Doi Muser) (ศูนย์บริการวิชาการด้านพืชและปัจจัยการผลิตตาก (ดอยมูเซอ) The Hilltribe Development and Assistance Centre is located in Tambon Phawo on Doi Muser (Muser Hill) under the supervision of the Department of Public Welfare. There are many hill tribes living on the hill: Black Muser, Hmong or Meo, and Lisaw. The centre is more than 800 feet above sea level and covers an area of 26,500 rai. At present, most of the hill tribe people in Thailand migrated from South China, Shan State and Kengtung of Myanmar. In the centre, the ‘Ban Umyom Hilltribe Cultural Centre’ was established to give knowledge and advice to hill tribe leaders in tourism management. There is a display of clothes, jewellery, and household utensils, and an imitation of the Muser’s house. Outside the cultural centre, there is an imitation of a “Chakhue” dancing ground. (Chakhue is a dance of the Muser). Members of the hill tribe will take turns to dance all day and night until the festival ends. During the festival, all of them stop working; anyone who works will be fined. One thing everybody must do is to visit relatives in other villages wherever they are near or far. Furthermore, there is a Ban Umyom study route for visitors to witness the way of life and living quarters of the hill tribe people. For those interested in an overnight stay, contact Tel. 0 5551 3614. A nature trail is also provided in the form of a day trip to experience tea and coffee plantations, rice fields, and water seepage, and enjoy the waterfall en route. For more information, contact the Hill tribe Development and Assistance Centre of Tak, P.O. Box 2, Amphoe Mueang, Tak 63000. Tel. 0 5551 3614. To get there: Drive along Highway No. 105 (Tak – Mae Sot), take a left turn at around Km 25 – 26, and go further along the hillside for another 3 km. Doi Muser Horticultural Experiment Station (สถานีทดลองพืชสวนดอยมูเซอ) It is located near the Tak Plant and Production Factors Service Centre on the Thanon Thong Chai Range, 900 m above sea level. The station conducts experiments and research on coffee beans, tea, fruit, vegetables, and temperate flowers. During November to December, the area around the station is beautifully covered with Mexican sunflowers in full bloom. Doi Muser Hill Tribe Market (ตลาดสินค้าพืนเมืองชาวเขาดอยมูเซอ) Located on the roadside of the Tak – Mae Sot route (Highway No. 105) around Km 29, this market is open daily. There are hill tribe products: clothes, silver items, and farm produce. Chaopho Phawo Shrine (ศาลเจ้าพ่อพะวอ) This shrine is located on a hill at the foot of Phawo Mountain, between Km 62 – 63 on the Tak – Mae Sot route. It gains respect from the people of Tak town and Mae Sot. The story has it that Chaopho Phawo was a Karen warrior who was appointed by King Taksin the Great as chief of the Mae Lamao border pass to protect the land from an intrusion of the enemy. In the beginning, the shrine was on the other side of the hill. Then, a new road was built and the shrine was moved. Some told the sacredness of the shrine that if anyone went hunting on Phawo Mountain, they usually encountered irregularities, such as car trouble, sickness, or became lost. Since Chaopho Phawo was a warrior, it was believed that he favoured the sound of a gun. Visitors, therefore, pay homage and shoot a gun, set off fire crackers, or blow their horn to show their respect. Amazing Hill (เนินพิศวง) This hill is located at around Km 68 on the Tak – Mae Sot route. Here, a car can be astonishingly seen going up the hill without switching on the engine. A scientist gave an explanation that it was an illusion. The height of the hill was measured to confirm that the way up the hill was lower than the way down. Hence, a car that is seen climbing the hill is really moving towards the lower place. However, no one can explain why such an illusion is seen. Wat Phothikhun or Wat Huai Toei (วัดโพธิคุณ หรือ วัดห้วยเตย) This forest temple is located in Tambon Mae Pa on Highway No. 105 (Tak – Mae Sot route) at around Km 69. The interesting feature is the Ubosot (ordination hall) which was designed and built by Khun Somprasong Chaonarai who, denying any wage, devoted his whole life for 18 years to complete it. The boat-like Ubosot has three storeys. The ground storey has no decoration. Decorations were made to the walls, ceiling, and heads of the posts on the second storey. On the third storey where religious ceremonies are performed, it was finely decorated on the walls, posts, and ceiling, with the arts of bas-relief, painting, glass inlaying, and gilding. There is the large principal Buddha image inside the Ubosot. Fine, delicate and elaborate designs outside the Ubosot represent the lively recreation of a traditional art form based on the builder’s imagination. Wat Thai Watthanaram (วัดไทยวัฒนาราม) This temple was formerly called Wat Mae Tao Ngiao or Wat Thai Yai. It is located at Mu 1, Tambon Tha Sai Luat, about 5 km from Mae Sot town. Take Highway No. 105 (Tak – Mae Sot route) to Rim Moei Market, to around Km 84 before reaching the Thai – Myanmar Friendship Bridge. This is a temple of the Mahayana Buddhism (Great Vehicle) of the Thai Yai people whose traditions, cultural arts and rituals are influences of the Union of Myanmar. It was built in 1857 by Mr. Mung, a Burmese villager in Shan State, whose family migrated to Mae Sot district. He was the first headman of Mae Tao village and later was named as Muen Atkhamhaenghan. In 1957, the Ministry of Education declared it as a Buddhist temple attached to the Department of Religious Affairs. Inside the temple, there is Phra Phutthamahamuni, an imitation image of the sacred Buddha image in Mandalay, Union of Myanmar, which gains great respect from the people of Tak. Thai – Myanmar Friendship Bridge (สะพานมิตรภาพไทย-พม่า) The bridge is located in Tambon Tha Sai Luat, across the Moei River between Tak’s Mae Sot district and Myawadi in the Union of Myanmar. It is 420 m long and 13 m wide. Thai people and residents of Mae Sot district can travel or drive across the bridge. However, a border pass is required. The border pass service is available at the Mae Sot Immigration Checkpoint or the Mae Moei City Centre. Fees are charged on both the Thai and Burmese sides. Car insurance fees are also provided. Enquire about the information in detail before starting a trip since regulations may be changed. Contact the Mae Sot Immigration Checkpoint, Tel. 0 5556 3002 – 4. Foreign visitors wishing to travel across the bridge to enter the Union of Myanmar are required to present their passports to get a free-of-charge visa at the immigration checkpoint on the Thai border. On the Burmese side, ten U.S. dollars (subject to change) per person must be paid at the immigration checkpoint for a one-day visit from 06.00 – 18.00 hrs. Foreign visitors are not allowed to go farther than 2 km from the checkpoint. For more information, contact the Mae Sot Immigration Checkpoint or the Mae Sot District Office, Tel. 0 5553 1077. Rim Moei Market (ตลาดริมเมย) It is a community on the bank of the Moei River, opposite Myawadi of the Union of Myanmar. It is also a market of local products of Thailand and Myanmar, such as seafood, dried bamboo shoot, dried fish, “Hua Yung” sea fish (Hapardontidae), Shiitake mushroom, beans, leatherware, satin, etc., as well as a market of gemstones, such as jade, ruby, coloured gemstones, etc. from the Union of Myanmar. A daily bus service is available from Mae Sot Market to Rim Moei Market, dropping passengers at the Thai – Myanmar Friendship Bridge.

Phrathat Hin Kio (พระธาตุหิน���ิ่วที่ดอยดินจี่) This Chedi is located in Ban Wang Takhian. It is a miracle of nature that a gigantic rock can stay on such a cliff. The rock is so slim at some point that it seems to be parted into two pieces. A Mon-styled Chedi was built on the exact width of the rock. Villagers call the rock ‘Chedi Hin Phra In Khwaen,’ which gains respect from the people of Tak and nearby provinces. Every year in February, a fair is held for worshippers to pay homage to it. Travel can be made by driving along Highway No. 105 via Ban Tha At and Ban Wang Takhian, and taking a right turn to follow a sign to the Chedi for 3 km. The Moei River (aka Thaungyin in Myanmar) (แม่น้ำเมย) This river is the borderline between Myanmar and Thailand. It is 327 km long, flowing towards the north unlike a river in general. The watershed is in Ban Mokoe, Tambon Phop Phra, Amphoe Phop Phra. The river flows to Mae Hong Son via Mae Sot, Mae Ramat, and Tha Song Yang, to merge into the Salween River in Myanmar before flowing into the Gulf of Martaban. To get there: Take Highway No. 105 from Mae Sot for around 10 km to the border.

Amphoe Mae Ramat
It is another district of Tak that borders Myanmar, 120 km from Tak town. Most of the areas are forests and mountains. It was presumed that the Mae Ramat district was a community of the Karen. Later, with so many Thai Lanna migrants, the community was declared a district on 1 January, 1951. To get there: From Tak town, take the Tak – Mae Sot – Mae Ramat route or the Tak – Ban Tak – Mae Ramat route. Wat Don Kaeo (วัดดอนแก้ว) This temple is located behind the Mae Ramat District Office. One of the three marble Buddha images built at the same time in a Burmese style of sculpture was invited from Yangon to house in the Wihan (image hall) here. The other two Buddha images are worshipped in Pakistan and India. This beautiful Buddha image is 63 inches in height and its lap is 50 inches in width. Mae Tuen Wildlife Sanctuary (เขตรักษาพันธุ์สัตว์ป่าแม่ตื่น) It is located in the Mae Tuen forest, covering an area of 733,125 rai in Amphoe Mae Ramat and Amphoe Sam Ngao. Most of the areas are a range of high steep and complex mountains where there are different types of forest: hill evergreen forest, dry everygreen forest, mixed deciduous forest, and deciduous dipterocarp forest.

Places of interest in the Mae Tuen Wildlife Sanctuary
 * Doi Khun Mae Tuen: (ดอยขุนแม่ตื่น) This hill is behind the headquarters. There is a wide rocky ground and a small cave with stalagmites and stalactites inside, where many wild animals, such as barking deer, serow, bat, etc. live.
 * Lam Nam Mae Tuen: (ลำน้ำแม่ตื่น) This large tributary of the Ping River flows to merge with the main stream above the Bhumibol Dam. Whitewater rafting on a rubber dinghy is an activity on Lam Nam Mae Tuen. The 12-km river trip starts from the headquarters of the Mae Tuen Wildlife Sanctuary, around Km 30 off the Mae Ramat – Ban Tak route, and goes through the sanctuary. Apart from the natural beauty of wood and various species of bird, it is an adventurous trip to experience the way of life of raft people above the Mae Ping Lake.

 * Doi Soi Mala: (ดอยสอยแม่ลัย) It is the highest mountaintop in the Mae Tuen Wildlife Sanctuary, about 1,600 m above sea level. The Bhumibol Dam can be viewed from the top of the mountain. One interesting thing here is a salamander (or named as Chingchok Nam) which is a rarely-seen ancient species, similar to a lizard with a pink body. A physical feature of the hill is a pine forest. There is a viewpoint to see a sea of mist. November to January, when the rain retreats and the cool season begins, is the best time to visit. Visitors can set up a tent for an overnight stay around the headquarters. To visit Doi Soi Malai, prior permission is required from the Kio Sam Lo Forest Ranger Unit. To get there:  Take Highway No. 1175, Ban Tak – Mae Ramat route. A high performance or four-wheel drive car is suggested.

Khun Phawo National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติขุนพะวอ) This new park is located on the Mae Ramat – Ban Tak route, around 18 km from a junction to Mae Ramat.

Places of interest in the Khun Phawo National Park To get there:  From Tak, take Highway No. 105, Tak – Mae Sot route, to Km 62 and walk further for 750 m from the Phawo Shrine to the temporary headquarters of the park. The total distance is 62 km.
 * Namtok Khun Phawo: (น้ำตกขุนพะวอ) It is a large waterfall of around 100 m high and an origin of Huai Mae Charao (Mae Charao creek). Travel just on foot takes about 1L hours. The way down to the waterfall, a distance of 200 m, is high and steep. There are many viewpoints along the trail.
 * Huai Mae Lamao: (ห้วยแม่ละเมา) This large creek is in an unspoiled forest. Here, whitewater rafting on a rubber dinghy takes around 1L hours, starting from Km 50 on the Tak – Mae Sot route and going throughout surrounding nature and a forested mountain. This activity also offers an opportunity to study aquatic plants and birds.

Amphoe Tha Song Yang
This district borders with the Union of Myanmar along the Moei River. Most of the areas are covered with forest and high mountains along the Thanon Thong Chai range. Most people are Thais who live on the plains and do farming. The distance from Amphoe Mae Sot to Amphoe Tha Song Yang is around 84 km. The total distance from Tak town to Amphoe Tha Song Yang is around 169 km. Mae Moei National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติแม่เมย) The park has some area connected to the Moei River which is the borderline between the Union of Myanmar and Thailand. The park headquarters have been landscaped and beautifully decorated with plants. The surrounding area is shady and tranquil amidst mountains and forests. There are wild animals, such as deer, brow-antlered deer, etc.

Places of Interest in the Mae Moei National Park Admission fees: children 100 Baht and adults 200 baht, four-wheeled cars 30 baht (excluding a driver). Accommodation:   There are three visitor houses, 1,000 Baht each. Advance notice is required for food service. For further information, contact the Mae Moei National Park, Amphoe Tha Song Yang, Tak 63150. Tel. 0 5551 9644 – 5. Or contact the National Park, Wildlife and Plant Conservation Department, Bang Khen, Bangkok. Tel. 0 2562 0760. Or visit the website www.dnp.go.th.
 * Nature Trail: (เส้นทางเดินศึกษาธรรมชาติ) A walk takes about six hours. As a guide is needed, please contact the park in advance. A day trip or an overnight stay can be provided. The walking path goes up and down the fairly steep hills, and passes along the river upstream and a small waterfall. There is a bamboo ladder parallel to the waterfall. During the period of change from the rainy to cool season, colourful wild flowers can be seen in bloom on the sides of the path or the waterfall. The greenery is dotted with strikingly red Krathue (Boesenbergia prainiana) and yellow Mexican sunflowers. Some flowers can be seen hidden with a dark green carpet of moss.
 * Namtok Pha Thewa: (น้ำตกผาเทวะ) It is on the nature trail and the most remarkable waterfall of the park. With its height of 150 m, the powerful flow falls against boulders and the pool below. The surrounding forest is, therefore, dampened and cool with a sprinkling of water. The white long body of flowing water can be seen from another mountaintop. On the mountaintop of Pha Thewa, there is an unnamed grass field and a valley where an overnight stay is possible. However, camping equipment, such as torch, water, food, sleeping bag, etc. must be prepared. The grass field has a beautiful view with a cool and cozy atmosphere. In the morning, if the sky is clear, a sea of clouds can be seen. Old mines are found in the surrounding area since it was a mine concession zone. In the woods, there is a pagoda containing cremated bones of a woman who hanged herself because she was heartbroken. A forest trek is organized by the park to “enjoy the waterfall, stay a night on the grass field, and witness the sea of mist.” Prior contact for an official guide is required.
 * Tham Mae Usu: (ถ้ำแม่อุสุ) This cave is around 12 km from the Tha Song Yang District Office to the north. Take Highway No. 105 (Mae Sot – Mae Sariang route), and follow the left turn just after Km 94 for another 2 km. To explore the cave, visitors must wade through the Mae Usu Creek. During the rainy season, the high level of water in the creek makes it impossible to visit the cave. This large and wide cave has a high ceiling and the air flows well. Different formations of stalactites and stalagmites are beautiful. To the west, there is a gigantic hollow rock. In the afternoon, rays of sunlight beautify the cave inside. The walking path is not difficult. Going through the hollow rock, visitors would admire a more scenic view. Turning back after walking for some distance into the cave, visitors can see a scene of the flowing creek winding out of the dark cave to the light at the mouth’s cave against the backdrop of the attractive grass field.
 * Viewpoints to witness a sea of mist: (จุดชมทะเลหมอก)  There are three viewpoints along the Mae Salit – Omkoi route, as follows:-
 * Viewpoint behind the park headquarters:   It is at the level of around 1,100 m high. A sea of clouds can be seen from here, as well as sunrise and sunset. This is an ideal place for visitors who enjoy forest trekking since it takes 3-4 hours to reach the viewpoint, and an overnight stay is required in order to admire the view.
 * Mon Khruba Sai and Mon Phun Suda: (ม่อนครูบาใสและม่อนพูนสุดา) The distance between these two hilltops is about 200 m. A sea of mist can be seen in the morning and the sunset in the evening. The hilltops are about 7 km away from the park headquarters.
 * Mon Kio Lom: (ม่อนกิ่วลม) This is the most popular venue for the first ray of sunlight above the sea of mist. It is located about 14 km away from the park headquarters.

To get there: From Tak town, follow the Mae Sot – Mae Ramat – Tha Song Yang route (Highway No. 105) for about 114 km, and take a right turn at the Mae Salit checkpoint to Amphoe Omkoi, Chiang Mai. Go along the uphill road for around 11 km before reaching the park headquarters. A large bus is prohibited since the road is very steep (Note: Highway No. 105 from Mae Sot to Mae Ramat and Tha Song Yang is parallel to the border line. It is not suggested to travel after 18.00 hours.) Alternatively, visitors can take a regular bus from Mae Sot to Ban Mae Salit Luang and hire a car to go further to the park headquarters.

Amphoe Phop Phra
It is a district to the southwest of Tak that borders with the Union of Myanmar. Travel can be made by following Highway No. 105 (Tak – Mae Sot route) to Km 75 and taking a left turn to Highway No. 1090. Go further to Km 26 and take a right turn to Highway No. 1206 for another 13 km. The total distance from Tak town is around 135 km. Before the construction of an asphalt road by the Department of Highways, transportation between Mae Sot and Phop Phra districts was very difficult since the area of Amphoe Phop Phra is a highland district between mountains and influenced by the monsoon wind from the Gulf of Martaban. It has the most catchment in the North with rainfall of 2,300 – 3,000 millimetres a year. The dirt road was therefore muddy. Commuters had to wade in mud. So came the name of the area as “Ban Phoe Pha,” which literally means the stained and muddied village. Later, it was renamed “Phop Phra.”

Namtok Nang Khruan Originally, this waterfall was called “Namtok Phoe Pha” and then changed to “Namtok Phop Phra.” Later, it was renamed “Namtok Nang Khruan.” It is a medium-size waterfall with small layers of flowing water amidst a shady forest. It receives water from a canal beside rice fields. Travel can be made by following Highway No. 1090 and taking a right turn at Km 31 – 32 to Amphoe Phop Phra. Follow Highway No. 1206, which is next to the concrete bridge on the right. The waterfall is located at Km 12 just before reaching Amphoe Phop Phra.

Namtok Pha Charoen National Park This park covers the areas in Tambon Chong Khaep, Tambon Phop Phra, and Tambon Khiri Rat of Amphoe Phop Phra, and Tambon Dan Mae Lamao, Tambon Phawo, Tambon Phrathat Pha Daeng, Tambon Mae Ku, Tambon Mae Tao, and Tambon Mahawan of Amphoe Mae Sot, totalling 534,375 rai. Most of the areas are high complex mountains of 1,765 m above sea level and feature a mixed deciduous forest and a coniferous forest. It was declared a national park on 8 November 1994.

Places of Interest in the Namtok Pha Charoen National Park

 * Namtok Pha Charoen: It is a limestone waterfall receiving water from a creek that flows into a pool of water. This ninety-seven-tiered waterfall has water flowing all year round. A beautiful cascade can be seen at the end of the rainy season. Travel can be made by following Highway No. 1090 (Mae Sot – Umphang route) and taking a left turn at Km 37 for around 700 m.

 * Bo Nam Ron Huai Nam Nak: This natural hot well measures at 12 degrees on the Celsius scale. Nowadays, there are gazebos provided by the Phop Phra District Administration next to the well at its side on the Ro Pho Cho road. Visitors can visit the well all year round. Travel can be made by following Highway No. 1206 (Phop Phra – Ban Chong Khaep route) and, before reaching Amphoe Phop Phra, taking a right turn to Huai Nam Nak village.

 * Doi Kia Viewpoint:  Located in the Mae Sot forest area at Mu 4, Tambon Phop Phra, this is the highest point of the borderline between Myanmar and Thailand. It is around 512 m high and overlooks a forest in Myanmar. Part of this viewpoint is on a mountain ridge. The weather is cool. During the cool season, a sea of mist can be seen above the Moei River, the borderline between Myanmar and Thailand.

 * Namtok Pa Wai: Follow Highway No. 1090 (Mae Sot – Umphang route), and take a left turn at Km 43 for around 16 km along a winding lane to a village. To admire this waterfall, one must walk from its ground floor to the upper level. Then, go further for around 30 m, visitors will see a channel of about 10 m wide where flowing water falls and disappears under the mountain base. The waterfall originates from Pa Wai Creek where water flows all year round and many rattan plants grow. It is therefore named ‘Pa Wai’, which means a rattan forest. Travel can be made by following Highway No. 1090 (Phop Phra – Umphang route) and taking a left turn before Km 42 for around 20 km.

Accommodation:  The park has two visitor houses. Visitors can bring their own tent for an overnight stay. For further details, contact the Chief of the Namtok Pha Charoen National Park, Km 37, Mu 6, Tambon Chong Khaep, Amphoe Phop Phra, Tak 63160. Tel. 0 5550 0906. Or contact the National Park, Wildlife and Plant Conservation Department. Tel. 0 2562 0760. Or visit the website www.dnp.go.th.
 * Namtok Sai Fa and Namtok Sai Rung: These waterfalls have spray of water which looks like a rainbow when being seen in sunlight. Travel can be made by following Highway No. 1090. The waterfalls are 11 km from Amphoe Phop Phra.

To get there:  Follow Highway No. 1090 (Mae Sot – Umphang route) and take a left turn at Km 37 for around 700 m before reaching the park headquarters.

Amphoe Mae Sot
Siam (สยาม) 185 Prasat Withi Road (Tel: 0 5553 1176, 0 5553 1763 Fax: 0 5553 1974), 85 rooms: 350-750 baht
 * Ban Chao Doi (บ้านชาวดอย) 44/13 Sawan Withi Road Bangkok, Contact Family Camping Tour (Tel: 0 2246 4399 Fax: 0 2641 8746), 13 bungalows: 900 baht/person/day (includes Breakfast & Dinner)
 * Ban Mai Resort (บ้านไม้ รีสอร์ท) 100/6 Asia Road, Tambon Mae Sot (Tel: 0 5554 6428-9, 0 1890 9269 Bangkok Tel: 0 2392 2888), 39 rooms: 800-2,000 baht
 * Ban Thammarat (บ้านธรรมรัตน์) 2/3 Asia Road (Tel: 0 5553 1827), 10 rooms: 300-500 baht
 * Ban Umyom Home Stay (บ้านอุมยอม โฮม สเตย์), Contact Hill tribe Development and Welfare Centre, (Tel: 0 5551 3614)
 * Central Mae Sot Hill (แม่สอดฮิลล์) 100 Asia Road (Tel: 0 5553 2601-8 Fax: 0 5553 2600 Bangkok Tel: 0 2541 1234 Ext. 4444), 120 rooms: 1,400-5,000 baht
 * First (เฟิร์ส) 444 Inthakhiri Road (Tel: 0 5553 1233, 0 5554 6409, 0 5554 6150), 30 rooms: 200-400 baht
 * Huey Hin Fon Hut (ห้วยหินฝนฮัท) 96 Mu 6, Tambon Mae Pa (Tel: 0 5553 1772, 0 1461 3303), 7 houses: 500-1,200 baht
 * Ladawan Gardent (ลดาวัลย์ การ์เดนท์) Sai Mae Sot-Phob Phra Road Km. 23, Tambon Mae Sot (Tel: 0 5554 4726), 20 houses: 450 baht/person (includes 2 meals)
 * Lucky Villa (ลักกี้ วิลล่า) 86/8 Mae Sot- Mae Ramat Road, Tambon Mae Pa (Tel: 0 9269 7283), 8 rooms: 250-350 baht
 * Mae Muey (แม่เมย) 321 Intharakhiri Road, Tambon Mae Sot (Tel: 0 5553 1162, 0 5553 1214), 24 rooms: 100-150 baht
 * Mae Sot Guesthouse (แม่สอด เกสต์เฮาส์) 208/4 Intharakhiri Road (Tel: 0 5553 2745, 0 1937 4011), 12 rooms: 150-300 baht
 * Mae Sot Square Duang Kamol (แม่สอดสแควร์ ดวงกมล) (โรงแรมดวงกมล) 298 Intharakhiri Road, Tambon Mae Sot (Tel: 0 5554 2648-9 Fax: 0 5553 1103), 50 rooms: 350-500 baht
 * Nutthaphon Mini Resort (ณัฐพลมินิ รีสอร์ท) 453 Mu 2 Mae Sot –Mae Ramat Road (Tel: 0 5553 1553, 0 5554 6396), 22 rooms: 250-900 baht
 * Phu Inn (ภูอินน์) 9 Mu 7, Tambon Mae Pa (Tel: 0 5553 6101-3, 0 5553 5199), 45 rooms: 300-1,200 baht
 * Pornthep (พรเทพ) 25/4 Soi Si Mueang Prasat Withi Road (Tel: 0 5553 2590-4, 0 5553 2595 Fax: 0 5553 2596), 160 rooms: 700-1,500 baht (Umphang Tour)
 * Romchai (ร่วมใจ) 28/6 Soi Romchai, Intarakiri Road, Tambon Mae Sot (Tel: 0 5553 1720, 0 1043 7698, 0 6905 9354), 6 rooms: 150 baht
 * Ruean Usa (เรือนอุษา) 31 Mae Sot -Mae Ra Mat Road (Tel: 0 5555 4270, 0 5555 4276), 19 rooms: 1,000-2,000 baht
 * Sorakan Rittiron Resort (สรการฤทธิ��ณรีสอร์ท) 29 Mu 6 Ban Huey Hin Fon, Tambon Mae Pa (Tel: 0 5553 1596, 0 5550 0066), 45 rooms: 500-1,500 baht/person (includes 2 meals)
 * Suan Hin Mountain Lodge (สวนหิน เมาเท่น ลอดจ์) 130 Mu 6, Tambon Mae Pa (Tel: 0 1888 2404, 0 1366 5882), 7 rooms: 300-1,000 baht
 * Suwannawit (สุวรรณวิทย์) 1 Soi Wat Luang (Tel: 0 5553 1162), 24 rooms: 100-200 baht
 * Thawichai Land Resort (ทวีชัยแลนด์ รีสอร์ท) 457 Intharakhiri Road, Km.7 Tak-Mae Sot, before entrance Amphoe Mae Sot (Tel: 0 5553 1287), 39 bungalows: 300-3,200 baht
 * Wattana Village Resort (วัฒนาวิลเลจรีสอร์ท) 73 Mu 2, Tambon Phra That Pha Daeng (Tel: 0 5553 3468-70 Fax: 0 5553 3469), 25 houses: 60 rooms: 800-12,000 baht

Guesthouse in Amphoe Mae Sot
 * Ban Thai Guesthouse (บ้านไทย เกสต์เฮาส์) 40 Intharakhiri Road (Tel: 0 5553 1590), 9 rooms: 100-350 baht
 * Butsara Kham (บุษราคัม) 92/2-3 Prasat Withi Road (Tel: 0 5554 4463-4), 6 rooms: 350 baht
 * No.4 (นัมเบอร์โฟร์) Intharakhiri Road (Tel: 0 5554 4976, 0 1785 2095), 5 rooms: 80-150 baht
 * P.K. Guesthouse (พี เค เกสต์เฮาส์) 842 Mu 9 Mae Sot- Mae Ramat Road (Tel: 0 5554 7349, 0 5553 2744), 19 rooms: 350 baht
 * Rujira Guesthouse (รุจิรา เกสต์เฮาส์) 3/8 Bua Khun Road (Tel: 0 5554 4969), 10 rooms: 350-450 baht
 * S.P. Guesthouse (เอส พี เกสต์เฮาส์) 59/9 Asia Road (Tel: 0 5553 1596), 15 rooms: 120-250 baht

Amphoe Tha Song Yang

 * B.P. Resort (บี พี รีสอร์ท) Ban Mae Than (Tel: 0 5558 9089, 0 1379 2385), 10 rooms: 250-400 baht
 * Mae Salit Guesthouse (แม่สลิด เกสต์เฮาส์) Ban Mae Salit Luang, Tambon Mae Song (Tel: 0 5553 1409, 0 5554 6121-4), 20 rooms: 100 baht
 * Wasan Mini Resort (วสันต์ มินิรีสอร์ท) 467 Mu 2 Ban Mae Than (Tel: 0 5558 9088, 0 9959 3674), 6 rooms: 200-300 baht

Amphoe Phob Phra

 * Suan Pa Phong Khum Phai (สวนป่าพงษ์คุ้มภัย) 216 Mu 6, Tambon Chong Kaeb (Tel: 0 5552 0169, 0 1707 1452 Bangkok Tel: 0 2573 0422, 0 2537 7787), House: 500-1,500 baht

Amphoe Mae Ramat

 * Suan Kamol Resort (สวนกมลรีสอร์ท) Km. 20 Mae Sot- Mae Ra Mat Road (Tel: 0 5553 1011, Office in Amphoe Mae Sot Tel: 0 5558 1451, 0 5553 1011), 39 rooms: 250-1,500 baht

Amphoe Mae Sot

 * Ban Hao (บ้านเฮา) 189 Mae Sot- Mae Ra Mat Road, Tambon Mae Pa, Tel. 0 5553 1248, 0 5554 6488 (Thai and Local food)
 * Bor Kung Phao (บ . กุ้งเผา) 760/1 Intharakhiri Road, Tel. 0 5553 1353, 0 1962 7929 (Seafood)
 * Kai Yang (ไก่ย่าง) 34 Tambon Tha Sai Luat, Tel. 0 5554 4199 (Isan food)
 * Kra Phro Pla Rim Muey (กระเพาะปลาริมเมย) 147 Mu 2 Asia Road, nears Rim Muey Market, Tambon Tha Sai Luat, Tel. 0 5553 1251, 0 5553 3030, 0 5556 3030
 * Kwang Tung (กวางตุ้ง) 2/1 Soi Si Phanit, Tel. 0 5553 2030 (Thai and Chinese food)
 * Phim Hut (พิมฮัท) 415/11-12 Tang Kim Chiang Road, Tel. 0 5553 2818, 0 5554 4726 (Thai, Local food and Pizza)
 * Phiman (พิมาน) 8/13 Asia Road, Tel. 0 5553 5635, 0 5553 5699 (Thai food)
 * Phornchai 2 (พรชัย 2) 203 Intharakhiri Road, Tel. 0 5553 1067 (Thai and Chinese food)
 * Phornchai 3 (พรชัย 3) 334 Asia-Rim Muey Market Road, Tel. 0 5553 1008 (Thai and Chinese Food)
 * Than Tawan Wattana Village Resort (ทานตะวัน วัฒนา วิลเลจ รีสอร์ท) 373 Mu 2, Tambon Phra That Pha Daeng, Tel. 0 5553 2305, 0 5553 1951 (Thai, Chinese and French food)
 * To Rung Market (ตลาดโต้รุ่ง) 2 places (nears Number 99 Bus Station and former Cinema)

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 23:37, 2 February 2010 (EST)

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do do not mention Didimiza Beach Guest House which offers budget accomadation

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VLA vfd discussion

 * Very Large Array. Not a destination, as it definitely doesn't pass the "you can sleep there" test; in fact you can't do much of anything there other than see the visitor center and walk around for a while.  Should be merged with either Socorro or Southwest (New Mexico), with apologies to User:(WT-en) Pjamescowie who did a nice job with the little information that the place offers. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:21, 5 Feb 2006 (EST)
 * Agreed. (Note there's two other agreements on the talk page). I'm going to go ahead and erge it into Socorro's get out... (WT-en) Majnoona 10:47, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)
 * Delete - (WT-en) Jonboy 10:54, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)
 * Per Majnoona's suggestion, I've created a page for the dinky town of Magdalena nearby (dinky or not, it does pass the "you can sleep there" test and thus qualifies as a destination of sorts), merged the VLA article content into that one, and redirected Very Large Array to Magdalena. Does this take care of it? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 22:28, 25 February 2006 (EST)

Bear Mountain Cafe
A little jewel in the heart of Magdalena. Wonderful rest stop for tourists with great food and friendly atmosphere. Nice and unusual art at gallery too. I'll definitely revisit next time I'm in beautiful Magdalena.

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I am looking for a large beach resort for my group that is going there in January 2008. My group will be 200-400 people. We need a nice beach club for the day since our cruise ship is stopping there. We need beach chairs, food, and plenty of drink!

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Sub-regions of Maharashtra
Maharashtra is subdivided in six division articles, which in turn are subdivided in 35 district articles. Most of the district articles are empty or have only one city. This structure makes the state quite messy. Therefore, I suggest that we change the structure as follows: This means that at least Mumbai Metropolitan Region will have more than nine cities. But I think this is a small price to pay for eliminating all those empty district articles. Thoughts on this is most welcome. (WT-en) ClausHansen 18:18, 4 January 2010 (EST)
 * 1) Eliminate the district level implying that we only have one level of subdivision of the state, namely the Division level
 * 2) Split out Mumbai Metropolitan Region (covering Greater Mumbai, Mumbai Suburban, Thane and Raigad Districts) from Konkan Division

 * I wonder if using the administrative divisions may be too unstable for Wikivoyage. It seems that 6 administrative divisions are about to become 7, with the creation of the Nanded Division on 5 January 2009, according to Maharashtra. That article and the Wikipedia article about Regions and Divisions of Maharashtra gives just 5 geographical regions, based on history and politics:

 * Vidarbha Region - (Nagpur and Amravati divisions) - (Old Berar Region)
 * Marathwada Region - (Aurangabad Division, and the yet to be constituted Nanded Division)
 * Khandesh and Northern Maharashtra Region - (Nashik Division)
 * Desh or Western Maharashtra Region - (Pune division) and
 * Konkan Region - (Konkan Division, including Mumbai City and Mumbai Suburban Area)
 * Also, rather than having separate articles about Mumbai City and Mumbai Suburban Area, why not ignore the administrative boundaries and consider all of Mumbai to be a single huge city that is split into Wikivoyage district articles for each sector of the city that is of interest.
 * After all, the Project:Geographical hierarchy suggests that we should choose a geographic breakdown in preference to a political one. Frequently, the geographic and political breakdown options are interweaved, as it is logical to use natural geographic features as the borders between separate administrative areas, but in this case I think there is more stability with a geographical rather than a political subdivision. The other advantage is that the geographical names are mostly different from the divisions, so it is unambiguous what the breakdown is. - (WT-en) Huttite 18:59, 8 January 2010 (EST)

 * That is fine with me. As I see it, the only change you suggest is to merge Amravati into Vidarbha.  I do not understand your suggestion on Mumbai, it is already considered a huge city split into Wikivoyage district articles, please clarify which change you suggest on Mumbai.  (WT-en) ClausHansen 03:28, 9 January 2010 (EST)

Which 9 cities to list
There are now 12 cities listed - too many for the state level. It's probably a cinch to eliminate the red-linked one, but which other ones should be eliminated? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:59, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * None is red-linked now, but there are still 12 listed. Before I make a status chart of the cities listed in this guide, we should decide which 3 of the currently-listed cities should be deleted from this list.

 * Here's the current list:

 * Mumbai — the capital of Maharashtra, also the commercial capital of India
 * Ahmednagar — 500+ years history, with traces of Nizamshahi, Shahjahan and Peshwas
 * Amravati — educational hub in east Maharashtra, the home of Goddess Ambadevi
 * Aurangabad — the city of 52 doors, famous for its Mughal monuments
 * Jalgaon — the City of Bananas and famous for the gold market
 * Kolhapur — the home of Goddess Ambabai
 * Nagpur — the city of oranges, at the geographical center of India
 * Nanded — holy city of the Sikh Religion
 * Nashik — the city of pilgrimage - the Grape city
 * Pune — cultural capital of Maharashtra, called as the Oxford of the East with old town, museum and excellent restaurants
 * Thane — the city of lakes
 * Wardha — Gandhi City

 * I'd say that other than Mumbai, Nagpur and Pune are big cities that obviously need to be included. I'm not sure which of the rest are most important, though. Aurangabad sounds like a great destination, and Ahmednagar also sounds interesting. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:45, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

 * So? Anyone have any opinions? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:54, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

 * I have no idea, but I might suggest that if no one speaks up, the section could be trimmed back to the Jan. 18, 2013 version, using the cities we originally had before the list exceeded nine. Then if someone comes along and disagrees or tries to add more, the discussion can be had at that time. (And the same logic can be applied to Kerala too, where you've brought up a similar issue.) Texugo (talk) 12:09, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Thanks, that's a viable option. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:40, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Hmmm...Actually, it's not so viable, as the 9th city then was Ichalkaranji, which is a red link. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:41, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I suppose you've noticed, but Ichalkaranji was the 10th city on this list, which I was ignoring since it is red. Texugo (talk) 13:11, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm going to sleep soon so I won't be as detailed as on Kerala. All I'll say is that Mumbai, Pune and Nagpur are the big 3 followed by Nashik, Aurangabad and Thane. I don't have an opinion on the others though I have heard of Kolhapur. Gizza (t)(c) 12:44, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Thanks. So if we subtract Kolhapur, we're down to 11. 2 more to go. Kolhapur was actually in the Jan. 18, 2013 version, which I'm now seeing is 9 cities without the red-linked city. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:00, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Not including Ichalkaranji, this was the Jan. 18, 2013 list:

 * Mumbai — the capital of Maharashtra, also the commercial capital of India
 * Ahmednagar — 500+ years history, with traces of Nizamshahi, Shahjahan and Peshwas
 * Amravati — Educational hub in east Maharashtra, the home of Goddess Ambadevi
 * Aurangabad — the city of 52 doors, famous for its Mughal monuments
 * Kolhapur — the home of Goddess Ambabai
 * Nanded — holy city of Sikh Religion
 * Nagpur — the city of Oranges, at the geographical center of India
 * Nashik — the city of pilgrimage - The Grape city
 * Pune — cultural capital of Maharashtra, called as the Oxford of the East with old town, museum and excellent restaurants

 * Thane wasn't in the list. The other cities that weren't included were Jalgaon and Wardha. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:00, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

 * The above 9 look good. There's no need to include Thane. It's just a suburb of Mumbai Ravikiran (talk) 17:44, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Thanks, Ravikiran. User:DaGizza, would you like to make an argument for Thane vs. any of these cities? Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:08, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, Thane is more or less a suburb of Mumbai. The above 9 look good. Gizza (t)(c) 01:31, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Done. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:34, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

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I moved the TAT listings clutter to Talk:Maha Sarakham/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 07:39, 6 February 2010 (EST)

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By car
From Bangkok, motorist can head north via highway 1 and get into highway 2 at Saraburi, via Nakhon Racthasima. Then use highway 226 to Buri Ram, highway 219 via Amphoe Satuek of Buri Ram, and Amphoe Payakkhaphum Phisai, Borabue, of Maha Sarakham. This route is 475 kilometres.

By bus
State-owned Transport Co, operates many buses and air-conditioning coaches between Bangkok and Maha Sarakham. For more information, call Northeastern Bus Terminal at 0-2936-2852-66. The private-owned bus service providers include Mongkol Tour (0-4371-1072) Cherdchai Tour (0-4374-0359) Tourist traveling by train or air plane can travel to Khon Kaen first then drive to Maha Sarakham, 72 kilometres away.

Amphoe Mueang Maha Sarakham
Isan Cultural Centre (ศูนย์ศิลปวัฒนธรรมอีสาน) Located in Rajabhat Maha Sarakham Institute, the centre features history of Isan’s art, as well as handicraft such as weaving, clothes’ patterns. The centre also exhibits rare item such as Isan’s literature on the fan palm’s leaves, photo regarding tradition and culture of Isan. Isan Tradition and Art Research Institute (สถาบันวิจัยศิลปะและวัฒนธรรมอีสาน) Located in Rajabhat Maha Sarakham University, the institute features permanent exhibition regarding all aspects of Isan’s art and culture Kaeng Loengchan (แก่งเลิงจาน) The big reservoir is situated back of Rajabhat Maha Sarakham University, some 3 kilometres from Maha Sarakham city. Around the area is fishery station which breeds and distributes different kinds of fresh water fish to provinces in the region. Beautiful scenery around the reservoir attracts a number of people to enjoy holiday here. Pottery Village (หมู่บ้านปั้นหม้อ) The villaged is situated in Tambon Khwao, 4 kilometres from Maha Sarakham city via highway 23 (Maha Sarakham-Roi Et). The villagers here inherited ancient method of pottery from their ancestor. From water pot and cooking pots, they have diversified their products into various designs to cope with modern living style. Ku Mahathat (กู่มหาธาตุ) The Khmer ruins is located in Ban Khwao. Built in the 13th Century to serve as a hospital during the reign of King Chaivoraman VII, the laterite ruins was created in Bayon style in rectangular shape. With 8 metres high and 4 metres wide, the ruins houses two gods made from terra cotta, sitting legs crossed with conchs in hands. The ruin is situated in the embrace of laterite wall and it can be accessed via eastern gopura (gate) only. There is a small building located southeast of the wall. The eastern gate is the only real gate while other three are fake doors. Door frames and lintels made of sandstone. The site is already excavated and renovated by the Department of Fine Art. How to get thereFrom Maha Sarakham city, sue Chaeng Sanit Road (highway 23: Maha Sarakham-Roi-Et), for 13 kilometres. City Shrine (ศาลเจ้าพ่อหลักเมือง)  Located in front of Lak Mueang Maha Sarakham School, the shrine was built since 1865 by Thao Mahachai, the first ruler of Maha Sarakham who has moved from Roi-Et to build new city here. The city shrine was built as a sacred icon of the city where Maha Sarakham people pay lot of respect. Khong Kut Wai Fish Sanctuary (อุทยานมัจฉาโขงกุดหวาย) Situated 10 kilometres from Maha Sarakham City, the lake is home to over 100 species of freshwater fish. It is a nice place where people can enjoy feeding the fish and relax.

Amphoe Na Dun
Ku Santarat (กู่สันตรัตน์) Located in Tambon Ku Santarat, the Khmer Ruins was built in Bayon style (1157 -1207 AD) during the reign of King Chaivoraman VII. Like Ku Mahathat at Ban Khwao, it is built from rectangular laterite blocks. Standing in the rectangular wall with a pool outside, the ruins has lintel and nicely carved door arch. How to get there Use highway 2040, via Amphoe Kae Dam and Wapi Pathum, turn right into highway 2045 (head to Amphoe Na Dun) for a kilometre, the ruins will be on your right.

Phra That Na Dun: Buddhist Park of Isan (พระธาตุนาดูน พุทธมณฑลแห่งอีสาน) Located in Amphoe Na Dun, Phra That is in the area once was ancient town called Champasi. Lots of archeological artifacts, such as Buddha images and Buddha amulet, are found and now kept in Khon Kaen National Museum, Khon Kaen province. The most significant items found was the stupa housing relic of the Lord Buddha kept in gold, silver, and bronze boxes. All of such precious artifacts, probably from the 8th-10th Century in Dhavaravadi era, were found inside a mini-size stupa. Thus, the government decided to set up Phra That Na Dun on 365-acre area in 1982 to be Buddhist Centre of the region. With the height of 50 metres, Phra That or stupa which houses Lord Buddha’s relic has the shape of mini-stupa found. Around the stupa are museum exhibiting Champasi culture, antique, art pieces, and information of Champasi ancient town, park and herb garden. How to get there From Maha Sarakham City, use highway 2040 via Amphoe Kae Dam and Wapi Pathum, turn right into highway 2045 to Amphoe Na Dun. Prathat is 65 kms from Maha Sarakham City.

Walai Rukavej Research Institute (สถาบันวิจัยวลัยรุกขเวช)    Located east of Phra That Na Dun, the institute makes research on conserving, improving, and distributing flora of the region. It has bamboo terrain, herbal garden, Isan Cart Museum, and Isan traditional house museum that features different kinds of house in Isan such as Phu Thai house, Isan fishery house, Isan musician house, animal traps house, doctor house, and weaver’s house. Tourist can stay overnight in these unique and interesting houses. For more information, call 0-4379-7048, 0-4372-3539.

Amphoe Na Chuak
Dun Lamphan No-hunting Area (เขตห้ามล่าสัตว์ป่าดูนลำพัน) Situated in Amphoe Na Chueak, 60 kilometres from Maha Sarakham City, the area features two forest types namely deciduous dipterocarp forest and peat swamp forest which is nourished by stream all the time in particular spots. The area is rich in endemic and rare species for both flora and fauna. The most famous endemic species found here is Mealy Crab Thaipotamon chulabhon Naiyanetr, 1993, or Pu Thunkramom (named by HRH Princess Chulabhorn). A bit bigger than ricefield crab, this kind of crab is quite colourful in purple, orange, yellow, and white. Now, this endemic crab is enlisted as protected animals. This No-hunting area is also good for bird watching and studying the ecological system. For more information, call 08-1817-9441, 08-1799-5795. How to get there Dun Lamphan No-hunting Area is situated on highway 219 (Borabue- Na Chueak-Phayakkhaphum Phisai), some 3 kilometres from Amphoe Na Chueak Office.

Amphoe Kantharawichai
Phra Yuen Mongkhon Buddha Image (พระพุทธรูปยืนมงคล)  Housed at Wat Phuttha Mongkhon, Tambon Kanthanrat, the statue from Dvaravati is a sacred icon of Maha Sarakham. Like Phra Phuttha Ming Mueang, the stature is carved from red sandstone. Legend says people in Kanthaarawichai has built Buddha images to ask for regular rain after drought. The men has built Ming Mueang Buddha image while the women has built Phra Yuen Mongkhon Buddha Image. After the images were completed, big celebration was held and regular rain has greatly nourished this area. How to get there Use highway 213 (Maha Sarakham-Kalasin), the Buddha image is on the left, 14 kilometres from Maha Sarakham city) Phra Buddha Ming Mueang or Suwan Mali Buddha Image (พระพุทธมิ่งเมือง) Located at Wat Suwannawat, Tambon Khok Phra, the red sandstone Buddha image from Dvaravati period is a sacred icon for Maha Sarakham people.

Amphoe Kosum Phisai
Ban Nong Khuean Chang Handicraft Village (หมู่บ้านหัตถกรรมบ้านหนองเขื่อนช้าง) Located at Mu 7, Tambon Thasongkon, the village produces silk, cotton textiles, and other products such as scarf, shoulder cloth, cotton shirt, Isan style trousers. Tourists can visit to see production or shop the souvenir. How to get there. From Maha Sarakham City, use highway 208 (maha Sarakham-Kosumpisai) for 12 kilometres turn left at kilometer 47-48 into highway 1027 to Ban Nonetan, the village is 2 kilometres away. Ban Phaen Slender Sedge Mat (เสื่อกกบ้านแพง) For earning extra, villagers of Ban Phaen produce high quality mat from slender sedge in unique weaving pattern. They develop and diversify their products to pillow, or bag and now the products are available nationwide. How to get there From Maha Sarakham City, use highway 208 (Maha Sarakham-Kosum Phisai). The village is located between kilometre 20 and 21, some 9 kilometres from Amphoe Kosum Phisai and 18 kilometres from Amphoe Mueang. Kosamphi Forest Park (วนอุทยานโกสัมพี) Acquiring total area of 125 rais (50 acres) in Tambon Hua Khwang, by Chi River, the park was established on October 1, 1976. The shady park is home to different big trees such as Yang, Tabaek (Lagerstroemia floribunda Jack) and Kathum (Anthocephalus chinensis  (Lamk.) A. Rich.ex Walp.) whose canopies connect to each other. With natural pond and scenery, this park is home to different kinds of bird, big herd of crab-eating macaque, as well as rare golden crab-eating macaque. Attractions in the park include How to get there From Maha Sarakham City, take highway 208 for 28 kilometres. At Kosum Phisai Intersection, get into asphalt road and keep going for 450 metres.
 * Kaeng Tat (แก่งตาด) Rapids in Chi River is situated at north and east of the park. Base rock acquires wide area in the river. When the river descends between November and May, shallow water allows rapids to appear. It has beautiful setting around the area.
 * Lan Khoi (ลานข่อย) The terrain is occupied by toothbrush trees. Today, over 200 of them are bended into different shapes.
 * Crab-eating macaque (ลิงแสม) The animals make this park their home. There are two kinds of crab-eating macaques in the park, the grey and golden macaque.

Bueng Bon (บึงบอน)  The lake packed with elephant’s ear plants is a nice place to picnic for people in Kosum Phisai and nearby. Situated in Tambon Hua Khwang, 100 metres from Kosamphi Forest Park, the lake is 2.50 metres deep and acquires total area of 120 rais (48 acres).

How to get there Use the same way with Kosamphi Botanical Park. Hat Wangko (หาดวังโก) The 500-metre-long beach on the bank of Chi River is situated in Ban Tha Duea, Tambon Nong Bon. Tourist can get there via Kosum Phisai-Tha Phra-Khon Kaen Road. With clear and shallow water, the beach is a good place for relaxing. Facilities available on the beach include, beach beds, speed boat, banana boat, jet ski, donut ski, life vest and etc.

Local products and souvenir
Maha Sarakham has different kinds of local products such as silk, mat-mi cloth, khit cloth, khit pillow, which are available at the follow shops.

Festival
Bun Boek Fa Fair and Red Cross Fair (งานบุญเบิกฟ้าและกาชาด) Held annually on the third lunar day of February to celebrate the early period of harvest season, the fair aims also to conserve Isan cultural heritage. There is parade to honour the goddess of rice and Baisee ceremony. Moreover, fair goers can enjoy various local performances. Phra That Na Dun Festival (งานนมัสการพระธาตุนาดูน) The Celebration is held annually on the full moon of February in Maka Bucha Day at Buddhist Park of Isan. The week long celebration will features Buddhism-related activities such as giving alms to the monks, vipassana practice, dhamma lecture, and the glory performance “Champasi-Natakan”. On Son Klong Yao Festival (งานออนซอนกลองยาวชาววาปีของดีพื้นบ้าน) The annual festival is held during March 12-16 at the field by Amphoe Wapi Pathum Office. The fair features long drum contest, float of long drum, Isan traditional performances, beauty contest, performances and shopping. Monkey Feeding Festival (งานบุญพาข้าวลิง) Held every April 2 at Kosamphi ForestPark, Amphoe Kosumpisai, it is festival that people can feed monkey in Kosumpi Botanical Park. Fund for monkey’s food will be raised. Rocket Festival (งานบุญบั้งไฟ) Held every May and April at the field by Amphoe Na Chuak Office, the festival organizes rocket contest and float. At night Buddhist ceremony and performances will be available. Candle Festival (งานแห่เทียนเข้าพรรษา) The festival is held at Amphoe Kosum Phisai to mark the Buddhist’s Lent. The festival features float and candle contest. Boat Race, Loi Kratong, and Candle Boat festival (งานประเพณีแข่งเรือยาว ลอยกระทง และล่องเรือไฟ)     Held annually to mark the end of Buddhist’s Lent at Bung Bon, close to Kosum Phi Botanical Park, the festival feature boat race, Loi Kratong, and candle boat. Kratong float and cheer leader contest will be held.

Half-day tour
Programme 1

08.00

– leave for Ban Nong Khuean Chang Handicraft Village, production base of silk and cotton handicrafts.

09.00

- Go to Ban Phaeng where villagers can earn a little money from weaving mats. The village is the production base of high quality mats of Maha Sarakham.

11.30

– get back to the hotel.

Programme 2

08.00

- Visit Isan Tradition and Art Research Institute, Maha Sarakham University, the knowledge hub of art and culture of the region.

08.45

– Leave for paying homage to Yuen Mongkhon Buddha Image, Amphoe Kantharawichai.

10.00

- Leave for Kosamphi Forest Park, home to hundreds of crab-eating macaque. You can enjoy feeding the macaque and scenery of Chi River.

11.30 - Get back to the hotel.

Programme 3

08.00

- Leave for long drum production base in Amphoe Wapi Pathum. See the production procedure and enjoy performance by famous ban.

09.30 – Visit Phra that Na Dun and Santarat Khmer ruins, sacred icons of Maha Sarakham. And visit Valai Rukavej Research Institue in Isan Traditional House Museum, bamboo terrain, Cart Museum, and herb garden.

11.30

- Get back to the hotel.

One-day programme
Programme 1 08.30

- Visit Isan Tradition and Art Research Institute, Maha Sarakham University, the knowledge hub of art and culture of the region.

09.30

– Leave for Amphoe Kosum Phisai and enjoy scenery of Chi River. -Visit Ban Phaeng, Mat producing village -Lunch time.

13.30

– Pay homage to Phra Phuttha Ming Muang Buddha image at Wat Suwannawat, Amphoe Kantharawichai. The Buddha image was built synchronically with Phra Yuen Mongkhon Buddha image.

15.00

–Pay homage to Phra Yuen Mongkhon, Wat Phuttha Mongkhon.

16.00

– Leave for Maha Sarakham City and stop over at Kaeng Loengchan for sunset view.

-Get back to the hotel.

Programme 2

08.00

-Leave for Amphoe Na Chueak, watch the mealy crab or Pu Thunkramom and enjoy nature in Dun Lamphan No-Hunting Area.

10.00

-Pay homage to Phra That Na Dun, Amphoe Na Dun, and Santarat Khmer Ruins, sacred icons of Maha Sarakham.

-Visit Valai Rukavej Research Institute, Cart Museum, Herb garden

-Lunch time.

14.30

-Leave for Amphoe Wapi Pathum and see long drum production procedure and famous performance.

16.00

-Leave for Maha Sarakham City, stop over at Kaeng Loengchan for sunset view. -Get back to the hotel.

Amphoe Mueang Maha Sarakham

 * Nitsarawan Resort (นิศราวรรณ รีสอร์ท) 144/8 Nakhon Sawan Road, (Tel: 0 4372 1084,    0 4374 2753 Fax: 0 4374 2755) 32  rooms :  350-700 baht
 * New Phatthana (นิวพัฒนา) 1227/68 Somthawinrat Road (Tel: 0 4372 5700-9 Fax: 0 4371 1988) 95 rooms : 350-800 baht, www.taksilahoTel:.com
 * Phatthana (พัฒนา) 1227/4-8 Somthawinrat Road (Tel: 0 4371 1979, 0 4374 1000)       120 rooms : 240–350 baht
 * Wasu (วสุ) 10 Rama IX Chaloem Prakiat Road,  (Tel: 0 4374 0888)  68 rooms : 550-1,500 baht
 * Sunthon (สุนทร) 72 Worabut Road (Tel: 0 4371 1201 Fax: 0 4372 5322) 15 rooms : 150-350 baht
 * Suan Warun (สวนวรุณ) in Rajchaphat University Maha Sarakham (Tel: 0 4374 2618)        20 rooms : 400 baht
 * Maha Sarakham (มหาสารคาม) 720 Mahachai Damri Road (Tel: 0 4372 1217)22 rooms : 90 baht
 * Bungalow Bua Daeng (บังกะโลบัวแดง) 648/19 Chuthangkun Road (Tel: 0 4372 1506, 08 9715 8450) 14 rooms : 140–240 baht
 * Takkasila (ตักศิลา) 1227 /68 Somthawinrat Road (Tel: 0 4371 9999, 0 4371 9909 Fax:      0 4371 9978)  77 rooms : 810-2,140 baht,  www.taksilahotel.com

Eat

 * Ko Liang (โกเหลียง) Maha Sarakham – Kosumphisai Road, Tel: 0 4371 1927
 * Chan Ngoen (จานเงิน) 253 Phadung Withi Road, Tambon Talad,  Tel: 0 4372 2415
 * Chaew Hon (แจ่วฮ้อน) Thinanon Road, Tel: 0 4374 9098, 0 9422 2961
 * Pu-Paeng (ปู-แป้ง) in Rajchaphat University Mahasarakham, Tel: 0 4374 2619
 * Marin (มารินทร์) Chaeng Sanit Road, Tel: 0 4371 1395
 * Metsai Seafoos (เม็ดทราย ซีฟู๊ด) Srisawaddamnoen Road, Tel: 0 4372 1722
 * Phalai (พาไล) 17 Rimklong Somthawin Road, Tel: 0 4372 1066
 * Soem Thai (เสริมไทย)  1210 Somthawinrat Road, Tel: 0 4371 1051
 * Suan A-Han Paendin Thong (สวนอาหารแผ่นดินทอง) 65 Soi 33 Chonprathan Road, Tel:  0 4371 1120, 0 6227 7549
 * Suan A-Han Nitsarawan (สวนอาหารนิศราวรรณ) 114/8 Nakhonsawan Road, Tel:          0 4372 1084
 * A-Ko (อาโก) Kammalasai Road, Bannontum, Tambon Koen, Tel: 0 4371 2316

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 07:39, 6 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Mahbubnagar

Copyvio
Moved from article by (WT-en) Evan

9 Oct 2004: The original content of this article was a copyvio from http://mahabubnagar.tripod.com/mahabubnagar_history.htm. It has since been blanked and re-created.

Moved
I moved this from Mahbub Nagar since this appears to be the preferred spelling. --(WT-en) Evan 12:59, 9 Oct 2004 (EDT)

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Talk:Mai Khao

TAT Listing
Moved this one here to clean up the page a bit:

 * JW Marriott Phuket Resort & Spa (เจ ดับบลิว แมริ��อท ภูเก็ต รีสอร์ท แอนด์ สปา) 231 Mu 3, Hat Mai Khao, Amphoe Talang (Tel: 0 7633 8000 Bangkok: Tel: 0 2656 7700 www.marriott.com), 265 rooms: US$ 150-640
 * Sala Phuket Resort and Spa (ศาลาภูเก็ต รีสอร์ท แอนด์สปา) 333 Mu 3, Mai Khao Beach (Tel: 0 7633888 Fax: 0 76338889) www.salaphuket.com  79 rooms: US$ 260 – 1870

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 22:05, 15 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Maine

Regions - Organization
I don't know Maine all that well, so I just lifted the regions list straight off the official tourism Web site. If there's some fine-tuning to do, please step in and do so! --(WT-en) Evan 11:28, 14 Mar 2004 (EST)

The regions from the http://www.visitmaine.com/ site do seem to be fairly standard as far as the Maine tourism industry goes.

 * These "regions" a bit ambiguous though.

 * To me, Maine's 16 counties are more logical regions.

 * 8 counties are coastal, and 8 are inland; so the state can be divided into two big regions, each subdivided into 8 counties.

Counties of Maine are:

Inland-
 * Androscoggin County (Maine)
 * Aroostook County (Maine)
 * Franklin County (Maine)
 * Kennebec County (Maine)
 * Oxford County (Maine)
 * Penobscot County (Maine)
 * Piscataquis County (Maine)
 * Somerset County (Maine)

Coastal-

 * Cumberland County (Maine)
 * Hancock County (Maine)
 * Knox County (Maine)
 * Lincoln County (Maine)
 * Sagadahoc County (Maine)
 * Waldo County (Maine)
 * Washington County (Maine)
 * York County (Maine)

 * Considering: Project:Geographical_hierarchy, The 7 plus or minus 2 rule.

 * --(WT-en) Jdunlevy 20 January 2005, 18:00 CST.

 * Rather than following the 7 plus or minus 2 rule you have created a pair of eights, with just the 2 regions in the top level article. All the counties fit into either Inland (Maine) or Coastal (Maine). The 7 plus or minus 2 rule applies to the yet to be created regional articles, not the Maine article, which now really has just 2 regions. The county lists mask this fact, and should be compressed into a trailing sentence like: ... including ..., ... and ... counties.

 * The Coastal/Inland split is possibly OK, though I know almost nothing about Maine, (beyond what is in the article) so I think this new layout is highly debatable. Following the organisation of some of the Maine tourist websites might be just as good. Before making more changes I think others who know Maine reasonably well should discuss the regions organisation.

 * Also, before going too far with this level of regional organisation please consider the article naming conventions, especially the hierarchy. Is it necessary to have every county name followed by County (Maine)? Surely the county's name alone is enough, unless another separate place exists. Also should it be ... County (Maine) or ... (county, Maine) or ... County or ... (county) or ... (Maine) ? I believe the naming convention recommends the shortest name is the most appropriate one to use, meaning disambiguators should only appear if and when they are needed. I hope there are no objections, but I took the liberty of shortening the names to their logical minimums, without then linking to existing or likely articles.

 * Finally there were already 2 existing stubs, Mid-coast (Maine) and Southern Coast (Maine) that have been unlinked; these are now orphan articles. (Well, at least they were until I mentioned them here.) What should happen to these regions? Put them back? Put them on another page? Revert the regional changes??!! -- (WT-en) Huttite 06:04, 21 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * FYI, the word "County" is considered an integral part of the name of a county of almost all such counties in the U.S. (The only exceptions I can think of are the boroughs of New York City, or other cities which are co-terminous with their counties, like say, San Francisco).  For instance Chicago is located in Cook County, Illinois, however a chicagoan is likely to give you a funny look if you say, "so are you from Cook?", then after thinking about it would be likely to say, "Oh, you mean Cook County? Yeah." -- (WT-en) Mark 08:33, 21 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * I'll stick "County" back into these. Will leave the Maine out -- though I'm sure it will eventually be necessary at least for Washington County, Lincoln County, Knox County, etc -- those which are probably county names in other states as well. Ugh, sorry I missed the existing stubs. -- (WT-en) Jdunlevy 12:02, 21 Jan 2005 (CST)

 * So, then, is there a resolution/agreement to the regions here?? It looks to be Inland with 3 Coastal regions on the article page, but I'm not sure what is in the three coastal regions. That makes some sense as the most touristed regions are coastal. I don't hate the official tourism Web site referenced above with it's 8 regions, although the county usage makes for easy designation of towns to region. I think lack of resolution of regional boundaries often stymies new contributors. I plunged ahead without reading the discussion and relinked South Coastal I think. Clearly the towns/regions are in disarray. Compromise might be delineate the eight regions in the tourism site by county. (WT-en) OldPine 15:57, 10 July 2006 (EDT)

Using the Office of Tourism's 8 regions has some key advantages: - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 17:36, 10 July 2006 (EDT)
 * They have fairly distinctive names already picked out for them, and some touristy generalizations about them already spelled out; there's no reinventing-the-wheel needed. One might also assume that they know what they're talking about. :)
 * With one exception, these regions are delineated by county borders (Cumberland County is split), which makes it easy to say, for example, "Maine Highlands includes Penobscot and Piscataquis counties" and determine from that which town goes in which region.
 * We can link to the state site's subpages on each of the region articles as their One Official External Link.
 * By having this many smallish regions, we may be able to avoid creating sub-region articles for each of the counties. That would save us from a disambiguation mess with all the other Lincoln and Washington Counties in the US, and also keep the Maine hierarchy simple.

Evil external links; hide the children!
For contributors to consult.
 * http://www.visitmaine.com/ Official Tourist promotion site
 * All Maine Cities and Towns
 * http://www.etravelmaine.com/
 * http://apollo.ogis.state.me.us/maps/ - maps
 * http://www.hotelmesh.com/algorythm/admin-place/maine.php - Lists hotels (disorganised advertiser that spams a bit).

County articles
Summary as at Dec.06:

 * Androscoggin County - isIn|Lakes_and_Mountains - is not a redirect
 * Aroostook County - isIn|Aroostook - redirects to Aroostook
 * Cumberland County (Maine) - isIn|Maine - is not a redirect
 * Franklin County (Maine) - isIn|Lakes_and_Mountains - redirects to Lakes and Mountains
 * Hancock County (Maine) - isIn|Down_East - is not a redirect
 * Kennebec County - isIn|Kennebec_and_Moose_River_Valleys - redirects to Kennebec_and_Moose_River_Valleys
 * Knox County (Maine) - isIn|Mid_Coast_(Maine) - redirects to Mid Coast (Maine)
 * Lincoln County (Maine) - isIn|Mid_Coast_(Maine) - is not a redirect
 * Oxford County (Maine) - isIn|Lakes_and_Mountains - redirects to Lakes and Mountains
 * Penobscot County - isIn|Highlands_(Maine) - redirects to Highlands (Maine)
 * Piscataquis County - isIn|Highlands_(Maine) - redirects to Highlands (Maine)
 * Sagadahoc County - isIn|Mid_Coast_(Maine) - redirects to Mid Coast (Maine)
 * Somerset County (Maine) redirects to Kennebec_and_Moose_River_Valleys
 * Waldo County - isIn|Mid_Coast_(Maine) - is not a redirect
 * Washington County (Maine) - isIn|Down_East - redirects to Down East
 * York County (Maine) - isIn|Southern_Coast_(Maine) - redirects to Southern Coast (Maine)

Regional breakdown
Just looking at the subregions immediately below the state article.... They appear to be rather barren besides just a list of towns. Maybe we should reduce their number or change the approach? A discussion on the general issues is currently active at the pub Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:06, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Swap Cities
Auburn is basically an extension of neighboring Lewiston and fairly suburban in nature. I don't think it needs to be listed as one of the main cities on the state level page. Camden, Kittery, Ogunquit, or Old Orchard Beach are all destinations in their own right. First choice would be Camden for regional spread. Godsendlemiwinks (talk) 19:56, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

 * For the record, and to aid discussion, here is the current list of cities:

 * – the state capital
 * – one of Maine's "Twin Cities"
 * – the Queen City, home of Stephen King
 * – adjacent to Acadia National Park
 * – home of Bowdoin College
 * – Downeast Gateway
 * – a large industrial town in central Maine, home of Bates College, the other of Maine's "Twin Cities"
 * – largest city
 * – largest city

 * I have no problem with deferring to your judgment. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:04, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Maine outlet shopping

Someone should probably look at http://gonewengland.about.com/od/maineoutlets/ and decide which things linked from there are primary sources, and link to them directly. -- (WT-en) Beland 21:11, 21 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * Hmm, I think what we'd really like is to have whatever info these articles have summarized into something useful for travellers. I know there's a lot more there than we can cover, but a Project:Travel topic should be as self-contained as possible. This is an interesting case because what would a "primary source" be? Would there even be such a thing as an "offical" source for outlet info? Hmmm... thoughts? suggestions? (WT-en) Majnoona 23:52, 21 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * Homepages of the outlet stores themselves. -- (WT-en) Nils 00:49, 22 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * So I removed a few links. The kittery outlet thing was a directory and thus shouldn't be linked to (compare to hotel directories, other guides, etc). It also bugs me as it's borderline spam. The wikipedia links shouldn't be there, we should link to our own articles which then in turn link back to Wikipedia as well.

 * Having actually looked at the article, the question opens itself up: is a shopping spree really "travel"? Shouldn't this material simply be listed under "Buy" in the Maine article? Does it have to be a stand-alone article? -- (WT-en) Nils 06:29, 22 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * Nils, you've obviously never traveled with a woman =) (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:40, 22 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * Nevermind. The author disguised links to this article as City links on the Maine page. This can only mean one thing: This is an attempt at spam. I'll post to VFD to have this article deleted. Outlet Shopping IS a Maine activity, relevant information should be merged into Buy section of Maine. -- (WT-en) Nils 06:35, 22 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * Are you seriously suggesting that the author is pimping for LL Bean or something? Peopkle do travel to shop and this sounds like a textbook example of an itinerary article to me. (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:40, 22 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * I don't think the author was deliberately spamming. On the other hand, I'm unconvinced this is a good travel topic.  Outlet malls can just be included in the Buy sections of various cities.  An itinery might want to suggest a path through Main with pointers to our city articles containing Outlet malls one could hit along the way, but that doesn't seem to be the intent of this article. -- (WT-en) Colin 12:33, 22 Jul 2004 (EDT)

For the record, no, I was not spamming; I don't work for any of the stores involved or anything. Though the outlet stores are the most notable things in Kettery and Freeport. -- (WT-en) Beland 18:43, 17 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Dissolving
So, I moved the information on Freeport and Kittery to their own pages, and made a note on Maine. I'm pretty sure that there's not much else that needs to stay on this page. --(WT-en) Evan 09:41, 22 Jul 2004 (EDT)

title: Talk:Maine outlet shopping