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Wikivoyage:User email help

It's possible for registered users to send email to other users through Wikivoyage. For users who are logged in, each user page has an E-mail this user link on it. This should bring up the User email page.

The user email page has the following fields:

 * From: This is automatically filled in with your Wikivoyage user name.
 * To: Again, automatically filled in with the user ID for the user you're sending mail to.
 * Subject: A descriptive subject of your email. This will become the Subject: header for the email that's sent.
 * Message: The text of the message you want to send. This will be the body of the message sent to the user.

Note that email sent through Wikivoyage is not anonymous. The recipient of the message will see the email address you used to register your user account in the "From" header of the email message. Also, users have the option to disable email delivery to their registered email address. So, there's no guarantee of delivery.

A better option for interpersonal communications on Wikivoyage is editing the user's user talk page. This keeps the discussion out in the open, where other Wikivoyagers can see it and possibly also respond.

Abusive or excessive email through the User email page is considered a grave misuse of Wikivoyage, and is grounds for banning.

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Wikivoyage:User page help

Wikivoyagers that create their own user accounts get assigned their own user page, user talk page, and optionally user subpages. These pages provide:

 * A brief introduction about the Wikivoyager.
 * A communications medium for collaborating with other Wikivoyagers.
 * A personal sandbox for each Wikivoyager to work on projects or ideas outside the "main" travel guide.

Brief introduction
Wikivoyagers typically include one or two paragraphs about themselves personally and their areas of interest in Wikivoyage. A portrait photograph or other picture may be appropriate but isn't necessary. Some Wikivoyagers also keep a list of articles they've worked on (a brag rag) on their User page.

Remember that Wikivoyage is not a personal home page service or a vacation photo service. Overloaded User pages are considered a form of abuse. In addition, while it is OK to associate yourself with your company if you work for or run a business, user pages should not be used for advertising.

On the User page, a User contributions link to the additions and improvements a user has contributed to Wikivoyage appears in the toolbox in the left sidebar. The User contributions page looks pretty much like a Page history page, with the same fields (except user name).

Using a personal sandbox

 * Note: This is not your personal sandbox!

Wikivoyagers should use their User page for developing new ideas about Wikivoyage, or for putting together a "toolbox" of frequently-needed text and Wiki markup. It can be helpful to create subpages (example: "User:MyName/Sandbox") for tools, brag rags, new article brainstorming, and to-do lists.

It is technically possible for anyone to change a user pages or subpages. It's generally considered bad form to do so, though, unless invited by the user. The exceptions are when articles or text that a user has created are deleted from the main namespace, they may be moved to a subpage of the user who contributed to them or when a Commons filemover has to edit someone's userpage to update a filename as part of the Commons filemoving process. Also, when a user has been inactive for some time, and travel content is significantly out of date, a disclaimer might be placed at the top of the page to allow people searching for content to understand that the page is in user space.

It's important to remember that while User pages and subpages don't need to follow the style guidelines for Wikivoyage articles – after all, these are for personal organization and use – all content must be under our copyleft.

Communications medium
If another Wikivoyager posts new text on your User talk page, you will see a marker at the top of the page next to "talk".

User talk pages also have a Email this user link in the toolbox on the left menu, for users who have activated the function. Because many users do not want to answer mail from unknown senders, however, it's often more useful and preferred to just post a comment on the user's personal talk page.

Inappropriate uses
While Wikivoyage provides users considerable freedom to post what they want on their user pages, these should be limited to either Wikivoyage-related content or personal information that a user decides to share. Wikivoyage is not a soapbox. Such comments will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis through consensus established by the community.

Examples of acceptable material

 * places visited
 * autobiographies
 * user sandbox
 * travel articles not allowed in mainspace
 * list of articles created by the user

Examples of unacceptable material

 * copyright violations
 * potentially harmful/damaging content unrelated to Wikivoyage
 * advertising/spam
 * threats
 * personal attacks on other contributors
 * any other material that is likely to give widespread offence, as determined by the Wikivoyage community

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Wikivoyage:Using MediaWiki templates

The software we use, MediaWiki, has a feature to include the contents of one article into another automatically. This is called transclusion or templating, although it has nothing to do with our article skeleton templates. (The article templates pre-date the idea of templating in MediaWiki.)

See Help on Templates at Wikimedia.

See also Template index for a list of available templates.

Templates should be used for editorial markup and metadata. In general, a template should be discussed prior to being created or modified. In some cases, templates may be confusing for new users, and having large numbers of templates that perform similar functions is counter-productive. Be aware that problems such as difficulty in transferring templates to other formats (such as print or PDF), attribution issues, and maintainability may all be considerations that could make a template a non-ideal solution.

New MediaWiki template proposals
Before a new MediaWiki template is put into general use it needs to be discussed and accepted as good or preferably best practice. Until such acceptance, new templates will be tagged experimental, and should not be added to more than one low-visibility article—so not Paris. (If other editors object to that addition, though, expect it to be removed until a consensus is reached.) If new templates fail to gain community support, they will eventually be moved to the template creator's userspace.

MediaWiki templates have both advantages and disadvantages. Some situations lend themselves to MediaWiki templates; others do not. Each application should discuss the merits and disadvantages of using a MediaWiki template solution as opposed to other alternatives, if any.

If users wish to experiment with templates then they should explain what they are trying to do on the template talk page. That way we can all learn from the effort.

Usage documentation
Each MediaWiki template that is intended for use by contributors should have its usage documented before it is put into widespread use. This should be done on the template talk page, as well as on a project page or help page that explains how, where and when to use the template. Those templates that are in general use should be listed in the Template index too, with links to the documentation.

Change control
Changes to any MediaWiki template, especially popular ones, should be discussed and agreed to by users before it is implemented. A substantial change to a template might confuse or distress some users editing a page if the template text also changed at the same time as their edit was made. To safeguard against this, any proposed change to any popular template should have a change control plan that describes how the out-of-date-page or page refresh issues can be addressed.

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Wikivoyage:Using talk pages

Every article on Wikivoyage has an associated talk page for discussing that article. Talk pages are not chat boards or comment areas; they're for coordinating editorial decisions, suggesting new material that should be considered, and generally collaborating on making a great article.

If you have new information for an article, by all means plunge forward and edit that page. But if there are multiple people working on an article, it can help to use the talk page to divide up tasks and hammer out differences.

Talk page formatting
You can get to the talk page for an article by clicking on the discussion tab when reading an article.

You edit talk pages just like editing any other page in Wikivoyage; see how to edit a page for instructions. When using talk pages, add new paragraphs at the bottom of the page.

If there are already conversations going on on that page, it can help to add a new heading. You can either click on the  [ + ]  button next to the "edit" tab if it's there, or create the heading manually like this:

==Names in Chinese==

...so that there's a visual distinction between topics of discussion.

You should sign your posts on talk pages, so people know who they're talking to. Just enter four tildes at the end of your comments (" ~ "), and it will turn into a signature with your user name, time and date.

Responses to other people's talk should be indented. You can use a colon (" : ") at the beginning of a paragraph to indent that paragraph. Responses to responses should be indented twice (two colons); responses to responses to responses get indented three times, and so on.

User talk pages
The discussion page for a user page is special; it's called a user talk page. You can use user talk pages to leave someone in particular a personal message. Don't forget that they're publicly accessible, and anyone can read them. Try to keep discussions about a particular article on that article's talk page, too.

Travellers' pub
If you have something to discuss about Wikivoyage as a whole, the Travellers' pub or the Arrivals lounge is a good place to put your comments.

Requests for comment
If you think an issue needs more attention, you can add it to the requests for comment page to get more attention on it.

Etiquette
There are some points of etiquette in using talk pages that have built up over the years. Here are a few:

 * Unlike everything else in Wikivoyage, it's considered bad form to change someone else's posts on a talk page – even to correct spelling or grammar.
 * It's usually perfectly OK, though, to change something you wrote on a talk page, for any reason, unless somebody has answered or it is about a stalled discussion. However, if other users have answered to your posting, see below.
 * If, in the heat of the moment, you said something you regret, go ahead and change that.
 * And, forgive and forget when someone changes a nasty comment to something more civil and productive.
 * It is impolite to remove a comment if someone has responded to it. It makes them look ridiculous. Make the change obvious, such as in " happy [unhappy]" or "[deleted]".
 * In general, conversations aren't deleted from talk pages but are instead archived when they are old or no longer relevant. To archive discussions simply create a new page such as 'User talk:Page/Archive' and copy the old discussions to it.
 * It's best to wait until the page has grown quite long before archiving, and such archives should always be clearly linked from the principal talk page, so that everything is easy to find. Avoid archiving discussions on destination and policy article talk pages. Archives should not be edited.
 * Reply to a discussion on the talk page where it started, to avoid talk fragmentation.
 * Avoid abuse of user talk pages either by labeling or personally attacking the user or their edits.

Rants
If you must rant, there are endless venues to do so on the internet. Off-topic rants on talk pages will usually be reverted. However, constructive rants (such as making a list of issues with an article), would not usually get reverted.

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Wikivoyage:UTF-8 text entry

You can enter any Unicode character up to FFFF as follows:
 * 1) Find the character's ordinal number in http://www.unicode.org/charts/.
 * 2) Enter the number in http://www.lojban.org/jbovlaste/util/hextoutf8.html and hit the button.

Directional embedding
In Hebrew and Arabic, words are written from right to left, but numbers are written from left to right (except when written in Hebrew numerals, which are letters assigned numerical values). Punctuation marks are neutral, meaning that they do not have an intrinsic direction. This can lead to messes such as the following:

Shlomo said, "אתן לך 200 אגורות?" to Rina.

The question mark, which should be to the left of "agorot", is in the wrong place because the overall direction of the sentence is left-to-right, so the question mark and second quotation mark are placed left of "to". To fix this sort of problem, Unicode has five characters to control the direction of text: You probably will not need the overrides; they are used when the numbers as well as the letters are written right-to-left. Don't try to insert the actual Unicode characters; they are invisible, their ends are far apart, and they will confuse the dickens out of anyone trying to figure out what you did. Use the HTML code instead. It looks confusing (the ampersand and number sign are neutral, so they will end up in reverse order somewhere else), but at least it's visible.

With the embedded codes, the above sentence looks like:

Shlomo said, "אתן לך 200 אגורות?" to Rina.

Now the question mark is in the right place.

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Wikivoyage:Vandalism/Archive/2004-2006

 * 218.188.9.23 - has made a mixture of obviously false and some plausible-sounding edits. I've reverted some, but maybe an admin can roll back the whole bunch just in case? --(WT-en) Ravikiran 06:37, 16 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * 168.9.214.220 and Guatemala. Maybe someone else can play patty-cake with "Anthony" for a while.  (WT-en) Jonboy 11:13, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)
 * I don't have time to babysit 204.128.70.65, who is slowly but persistently messing with African sites like Mali, Senegal, etc. Maybe someone can keep an eye on him/her/it. (WT-en) Jonboy 11:15, 14 Feb 2006 (EST)
 * Please keep an eye on Oxford (Mississippi) which is being repeatedly vandalized by multiple morons. -- (WT-en) Colin 02:18, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * There is a bot out there that converts HTML quote characters ( "  and  ' ) to HTML &quot; strings. This knocks the country quick boxes to bits. It also truncates pages. I caught it doing this to Australia. It looked very similar to a couple of previous spam attacks where a number of anonymous users all attacked pages and added spam. Perhaps someone is doing more testing. Suspect any anonymous edit to a whole country page. -- (WT-en) Huttite 06:24, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * 69.18.166.227 loves to delete pages, Main Page, Costa Rica etc -- (WT-en) Simone 08:51, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * 24.45.186.152 is running amok. Main Page, Spain, and it looks like more...complete garbage. (WT-en) Jonboy 15:56, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)

Ban on casino-online?
Is it time to make Wikivoyage history and edit ban our first idiot, the esteemed 217.132.212.* behind gems such as MÃ©rida, Yucatán? Unfortunately he's on a dynamic IP so we'll have to block the entire subnet... (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:18, 24 Aug 2004 (EDT)

(Heh. While I was typing about the same subject...)

Okay, so we're being repeatedly spammed by some idiot who doesn't even format his own spam-links correctly. But Wait! It gets worse! He clearly has a saved list of pages to modify that he goes through in sequence; and it is a human because there are such significant variations in lag between modifications.

I've sent off a complaint to abuse@netvision.net.il Hopefully they will deal with this so we don't need to block netvision's dialup range. -- (WT-en) Colin 01:25, 24 Aug 2004 (EDT)

 * We are nowhere close to needing to block him. So far we've been able to deal with this non-sense in just a couple of minutes collectively.  Blocking is there for when it gets so out of hand that we can't handle it the normal way, like if he starts placing links faster than we can remove them.  Until that happens I won't block, especially not a dynamic range.

 * I hope that the other admins show similar restraint.

 * Should it get truly out of hand -- as in he's adding bogus casino links faster than you can delete them -- then any admin who is around at the time should block right then and there without discussing it. Blocking is for emergencies in which there is no time for discussion.  As soon as the person or bot or whatever stops the block should be removed.

 * Meanwhile, yes we should definitely take the step of complaining to his ISP, and anything else we can think of without blocking the whole range of IPs. -- (WT-en) Mark 04:49, 24 Aug 2004 (EDT)

 * FYI, he vandalises also fr:Washington (D.C.) every time. Should we send several complains? (WT-en) Yann 07:55, 24 Aug 2004 (EDT)

 * Absolutely in no way should we ban this IP address. It's very easy to clean this stuff up. --(WT-en) Evan 15:25, 24 Aug 2004 (EDT)

 * If complaining to netvision doesn't work, and he keeps doing this every two or three days, a temp ban may be useful in order to get him to take us off his to-do list. -- (WT-en) Colin 16:21, 24 Aug 2004 (EDT)

So he's back again today as User:217.132.89.183, but this time he's posting nonsense -- the same nonsense to every page. So either he has Obsessive Compulsive Disorder or he is now testing a script. Anyone else want to try complaing to abuse@netvision.net.il about him (please include a pointer to the history page or a copy of when the IP Address was active)? Otherwise, we're going to have to deal with this indefintely, which will require a block. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:52, 14 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * I still don't think it's bad enough to use blocking. If you click on the IP address of the spammer you can see all the edits they've made ever.  The ones which have not yet been rolled back have a rollback link next to them.  Just click that and it will rollback all changes made by that IP address to a given page.  The process takes seconds, and doesn't involve blocking half of Tiawan or wherever just to stop one jerk from spamming us. -- (WT-en) Mark 08:53, 15 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Fine. I nominate you to spend time doing this every three days -- assuming he goes back to his previous pattern.  Don't forget Washington DC on French wikivoyage. Also, you did see my idea that blocking him temporarily will cause him to remove us from his list of sites? -- (WT-en) Colin 02:03, 16 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * I guess that means that you aren't going to revert spam anymore? I can totally understand that, and I know I can't speak for everybody but I for one am just grateful for the vigilence you've already put into keeping the site spam-free. Thank you.

 * Hopefully the rest of us will be able to keep up.

 * Meanwhile, I think your idea about blocking the guy as a discouragement probably makes some sense, but really agree with Evan that for the moment SoftSecurity is a better approach for us, and one which we've had a lot of success with so far. Me, I think that the guy will eventually get tired of replacing the links we keep deleting.  I could be wrong, and we could eventually try a temporary block maybe, but I would view that as a sort of failure on our part. -- (WT-en) Mark 06:58, 16 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * I just wanted to say that I agree with Mark. I am very proud of the fact that we've gone a year plus without a user or IP ban, and I definitely don't think that this problem is sufficient to cause us to break that record. We can quite easily keep up with this user.

 * If anyone doesn't want to participate in the process of editing and improving this guide -- including deleting unwanted edits -- well, they don't have to. The great thing about wiki is that if you don't want to do something that needs to be done, someone else will.

 * Lastly: there's some info on how to nominate someone for a ban on Project:how to handle unwanted edits. --(WT-en) Evan 18:10, 17 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Meanwhile, why are we waiting for two weeks for the VFD process on the pages the spammer made? They were already VFDed, and the spammer obviously didn't used the Votes-for-undeletion process to resurrect them. If anyone can just resurrect a page without discussion, the vfud process is meaningless. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:41, 17 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * An observation concerning this vandal. He is not only hitting WikiTravel but other wiki's as well.  I recently cleaned up the Know-how wiki after he used the same technique around the same time. -- (WT-en) Huttite 20:08, 2 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Vandalism on the Romanian Wikivoyage
I think there was some vandalism on the Main Page of the Romanian Wikivoyage. I reverted to an earlier version, but my Romanian being quite inexistant, could somebody else check that it's allright. (WT-en) Yann 12:30, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Looks more like someone changed the destination of the month but forgot to change the picture. The same IP has been editing the Romanian Wikivoyage for months, and has several pages on top. -(WT-en) phma 22:06, 2 Sep 2004 (EDT)
 * It was Ronline. Yes the fact that he was not loggued and that he changed the text and not the picture seems curious to me. (WT-en) Yann 12:25, 3 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Ronline often edits without logging in. Maybe he gets tired of being autologged out. -- (WT-en) Colin 13:16, 3 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Well can someone translate the article? There's a lot more about Sibiu in English than Romanian. -(WT-en) phma 21:38, 3 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * I was the one who wrote the article on Sibiu in English, so I will translate it in Romanian too on the RO Wikivoyage. I have already started doing this. Sorry for not logging in - it seems too cumbersome a process sometimes. The reason why I changed the text and not the picture is because, frankly, I couldn't find a picture of the city and the picture of Prague looked so nice (and, in many ways, similar to how Sibiu is like). In any case, I have found a decent picture from Wikipedia to put, even though I don't particularly like it. Cheers, (WT-en) Ronline 22:28, 4 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Vandalism
Someone in 80.131 (Deutsche Telekom) has been adding links to Kartenkredit with "minor edit" itp. in the summary. He's done it to three pages so far. T changes everyone's IP address each night, so we can't block him or leave a message on his talk page. How do we deal with this? Should we have a "vandalism in progress" page? -(WT-en) phma 10:38, 9 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * Maybe post here so that others can have an eye on it... But every vandal will go away eventually. -- (WT-en) Nils 04:27, 17 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * FYI: In the same vein, 217.66.214.249 has repeatedly added Iran (a stub) to Main page, and has just now removed Israel from the Middle East country list. IP is in Iran, so this is obviously some messed up fundamentalist. -- (WT-en) Nils 04:37, 18 Jul 2004 (EDT)

coohost dot biz
There is currently (as of 1:48 AM PST on 9 October 2005) some sort of bot spamming the site from a series of rotating IP addresses. I first tried rolling back changes, but due to the fact that several different IP addresses are changing the same file this wasn't working. I realized bans are frowned upon, but I hoped that banning a few of the IP addresses might help the situation - it did not due to the number of different IPs. At this point either the spam filter needs to run to block this spam, or else we need to hope that the bot stops as I see no other way of stopping this -- there are too many edits happening from too many different IPs to make rollbacks a feasible option. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 04:45, 9 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * Since their URL fragment is entering the spam list shortly we should only need to block until then at the most, so maybe two or three hours. Are we sure it's a bot?  They're only going after a fairly short list of pages so far.  Blockage is a really big deal, especially if the "bot" is spoofing IP addresses.  Not only does blocking not help but it could block real users who might help us.  I know that's a long-shot, but still.

 * As for rollbacks, yes the rollback link is less useful in a situation like this, but one could pretty easily set up a tabbed browser (like Firefox) with a good version of each of the articles in edit mode on each tab. When the spammer comes back just hit "save page", and click edit again to set yourself up to do it again.

 * Or we just wait a few hours for the spam filter to reload, and do the cleanup then. -- (WT-en) Mark 04:59, 9 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * Is the spam filter re-enabled? On the talk page Evan had indicated that it was turned off a while back.  And yes, I realize blocking is a big deal, but my hope was that this attack was coming from a pool of compromised servers -- I'm checking each IP prior to blocking, and each is responsible for numerous page changes.  I agree that possibly blocking legitimate users is a bad thing, but it's a 24 hour block and the odds of a legitimate user having the same IP address is pretty small (1 in 256 * 256 * 256 * 256).

 * Either way, it's very late here and I need to get to bed. Hopefully this stops soon and the army of editors can get to work cleaning things up. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 05:03, 9 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * It could be a pool of compromised servers. If so there sure are a lot of them.  Unfortunately I have stuff to do today, so I can't keep fixing things. -- (WT-en) Mark 06:05, 9 Oct 2005 (EDT)

FYI:

$ whois coolhost dot biz Domain Name:                                COOLHOST dot BIZ Domain ID:                                  D2893052-BIZ Sponsoring Registrar:                       ENOM, INC.  Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID:                48 Domain Status:                              ok  Registrant ID:                               HARLMDJDB100B26A Registrant Name:                            Harley Kaufman Registrant Address1:                        441 East 20th Street - 7D Registrant City:                            NY  Registrant State/Province:                   NY  Registrant Postal Code:                      10010 Registrant Country:                         United States Registrant Country Code:                    US  Registrant Email:                            mdjdmdjd@aol.com Administrative Contact ID:                  HARLMDJDB100B26A Administrative Contact Name:                Harley Kaufman Administrative Contact Address1:            441 East 20th Street - 7D Administrative Contact City:                NY  Administrative Contact State/Province:       NY  Administrative Contact Postal Code:          10010 Administrative Contact Country:             United States Administrative Contact Country Code:        US  Administrative Contact Email:                mdjdmdjd@aol.com Billing Contact ID:                         HARLMDJDB100B26A Billing Contact Name:                       Harley Kaufman Billing Contact Address1:                   441 East 20th Street - 7D Billing Contact City:                       NY  Billing Contact State/Province:              NY  Billing Contact Postal Code:                 10010 Billing Contact Country:                    United States Billing Contact Country Code:               US  Billing Contact Email:                       mdjdmdjd@aol.com Technical Contact ID:                       HARLMDJDB100B26A Technical Contact Name:                     Harley Kaufman Technical Contact Address1:                 441 East 20th Street - 7D Technical Contact City:                     NY  Technical Contact State/Province:            NY  Technical Contact Postal Code:               10010 Technical Contact Country:                  United States Technical Contact Country Code:             US  Technical Contact Email:                     mdjdmdjd@aol.com Name Server:                                DNS1.NAME-SERVICES.COM Name Server:                                DNS2.NAME-SERVICES.COM Name Server:                                DNS3.NAME-SERVICES.COM Name Server:                                DNS4.NAME-SERVICES.COM Name Server:                                DNS5.NAME-SERVICES.COM Created by Registrar:                       ENOM, INC. Last Updated by Registrar:                  ENOM, INC.  Domain Registration Date:                    Sat Apr 06 05:30:17 GMT 2002 Domain Expiration Date:                     Wed Apr 05 23:59:59 GMT 2006 Domain Last Updated Date:                   Mon Mar 07 09:41:24 GMT 2005

>>>> Whois database was last updated on: Sun Oct 09 10:19:36 GMT 2005 <<<<

-- (WT-en) Mark 06:24, 9 Oct 2005 (EDT)

At last count there are around 395 IP addresses involved. Some of these though are real edits, so I certainly don't want to block them all. -- (WT-en) Mark 06:43, 9 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * I take it back, looks more like there are around 95 affected IPs. -- (WT-en) Mark 06:49, 9 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * Actually it appears that there's only one edit per host. I think that this is probably an instance of somebody sending out email spam which edits a given page on wikivoyage when the recipient opens the spam using an email capable mail reader.  The spammer seems to target a page at a time, and sends out probably a couple of hundred messages with the wikivoyage editing payload.  They may or may not actually be related to coolhost.  -- (WT-en) Mark 09:39, 9 Oct 2005 (EDT)

We had the same problem on the german language version, but we have it unter control. -- (WT-en) Steffen M. 09:42, 9 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * Whatever it is, it seems to finally have stopped. Evan, if you did some technical wizardry to manage this trick, please let us know and we'll start mopping up the mess. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:44, 9 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * Argh — the version histories of many articles are now messed up. Eg  claims that I nuked my own article, whereas the actual edit added a picture. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:52, 9 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Now that it has (hopefully) stopped, here are a couple of questions:

 * 1) If this happens again, is the proper behavior to just add the offending URL to the spam filter and hope that it ends?  Is there a better way to handle it?
 * 2) Is the history problem related to the attack, or is that a Mediawiki issue?
 * 3) Could someone post more information about how one of these email attacks happens and add that to the this page?

-- (WT-en) Wrh2 13:15, 9 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * So it looks like Evan answered the above with his upgrade notice. For anyone else who is curious, the Mediawiki 1.4.11 release notes are here. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 13:19, 9 Oct 2005 (EDT)

User:89.168.2.18
One of these charming page creation vandals. So far I've deleted 9, and I think I'm about to hit 10. So far I've resisted the siren song of an IP block... -- (WT-en) Jonboy 08:57, 17 December 2006 (EST)
 * Looks like 10 was the charm. -- (WT-en) Jonboy 11:11, 17 December 2006 (EST)

User:202.7.166.165
Just reverted 2 edits by this user where he tried changing the names of sections, places and numbers to make the article very misleading. Annoying but I guess probably not a serial vandal but I didn't know where else to report it. (WT-en) Xania 18:34, 12 December 2006 (EST)

User:67.172.63.59
Obivously, we know about this current vandal, however, it almost seems to be a bot. Should we block because of that? The reason I believe this is because the IP edits three pages per minute and has repeatedly vandalised the same three pages, which I doubt most vandals do. Past vandals venture into vandalising other pages too. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 20:19, 10 September 2006 (EDT)
 * block the IP, the recent changes page is a mess of his edits and your reverts, it could go on all night if you dont block it. (WT-en) Russeasby 20:24, 10 September 2006 (EDT)
 * I don't have a problem going at it all night with a vandal until I win. Banning a user is a grave decision that should not be taken lightly.  I was hesitant about blocking because I was unsure if it is a bot and I'm still unsure since it had begun vandalising this page too. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 20:38, 10 September 2006 (EDT)
 * We seem to be dealing with this just fine so far. I think we should try a little longer to keep up with out a block, tho you may be right about the botness... (WT-en) Maj 20:33, 10 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Err, I changed my mind. I dont think it's a bot. (WT-en) Maj 20:35, 10 September 2006 (EDT)

82.35.22.16
This user is Ilikecats. Immediately revert all edits by this IP. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 16:29, 31 August 2006 (EDT)

62.189.34.9
I suspect this is a bot of some sort, but bot or human it's been making edits that make no real changes to article content but corrupts all non-ASCII characters in the article. It's easy enough to revert, but if this goes on for more than a few hours then I think it would be safe to assume it's a bot gone wrong and consider a block. -- (WT-en) Ryan 02:44, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

 * I know we don't normally block, but I seriously doubt this is an actual user, and a temporary block might give whoever's script this is a chance to fix it. Is anyone opposed to a short block? -- (WT-en) Ryan 03:46, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

 * If another admin disagrees please unblock, but rather than continue to clutter up the recent changes page I've put a six hour block on this IP address in the hopes that whoever is running the bot will fix it. Our non-block policy is based on the idea that soft security is better than hard security.  However, in this case I don't see any soft security advantages - a bot doesn't get bored or learn from the example of others. -- (WT-en) Ryan 04:11, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

 * I agree with your analysis. I think we have a section of Project:how to handle unwanted edits specifically for this situation. Thanks for doing this block. --User:(WT-en) Evan (who can't find a tilde on this Italian keyboard)

 * Special:Contributions/195.54.84.14 appears to be the same script, and the IP address also originates from uu.net. I'll try the six hour block again unless anyone objects. -- (WT-en) Ryan 16:09, 28 August 2006 (EDT)
 * No objections, but this should be noted on the block user page per policy. Also, this morning the bot changed IP a few times, but usually reverted back to 62.189.34.9.  So keep an eye out for other IPs too. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 16:21, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

User:Ilikecats
This user has been uploading pornographic images and named them the same title of the images on the main page. I suggest reverting all contributions.

-- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 08:30, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

User:212.194.114.163
This user is repeatedly erasing the main page of all language versions. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:37, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

74.67.133.63
This user has been vandlising pages and then reverts his vandalism a few minutes later. Keep an eye out just in case. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 00:17, 15 June 2006 (EDT)

Traveler2006

 * 169.244.143.114 - created a hundred of non-articles not on policy. his IP was associated with user Traveler2006. definitely a troll. (WT-en) Simone 14:21, 30 March 2006 (EST)
 * User:(WT-en) Traveler2006 has also created junk articles from 130.111.98.241 and 216.220.231.226. The 169 and 130 addresses are University of Maine IPs, the 216 address belongs to Maine College of Art. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 15:11, 30 March 2006 (EST)
 * Interesting enough, the standard WikiTravel curtousy may be paying off... Traveler2006 (mostly as an anon IP) seems to be starting reasonable articles. I would not support a ban... that should be severely the last resort.  Please read over the user ban policy -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 15:14, 30 March 2006 (EST)
 * I agree with Ilkirk... I am seeing places that I did not know existed in Maine and it is encouraging me to do some more clean up in that state. No ban, the edits and adds are pretty easy to handle and it is fun to check out some of these places. Best policy is to for sure keep cool and try not to engage but help with edits and corrections or just do your own thing. There are plenty of folks willing to do clean up. As far a small places, I can see the day when we will have an article on a whole lot of very very small places and you can almost always find a place to sleep close by. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 15:51, 30 March 2006 (EST)
 * I expect to see that day too, but only because I'm still pretty young. :) Until then, this kid will be leaving lots of empty articles for one-bed towns that won't get developed beyond the empty-outline stage, won't stay on anybody's watchlists, and will subsequently be prime candidates for mischief... broken windows, if you will. Wikipedia already has this problem and as a more general-interest site they'll always have a lot more eyes watching.  I'd hate to see Wikivoyage gain a reputation among the kidz as a fun place to shit around because it has so many vacant articles to play in and no penalties for doing so, and among the wider population as a guide full of articles with nothing but outdated info and graffiti.  London will take care of itself; something like Numidia will probably never be looked at or updated (with legitimate info, that is) after next week. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 16:54, 30 March 2006 (EST)
 * I went through much of Northern California adding an outline for every two-bit watering hole with a motel, and adding links for all the one-bit watering-holes without motels. I've found that a surprising number of these receive contributions from users, and some of the red-linked towns were filled out a bit too.  So I think we need an outline for every incorporated town in the US and Canadia. -- (WT-en) Colin 17:10, 30 March 2006 (EST)
 * A criterion which does not include Numidia, by the way. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 17:39, 30 March 2006 (EST)
 * Greenview is smaller than Numidia. A more useful article is Independence (California), which is just twice the size of Numidia. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:14, 30 March 2006 (EST)
 * I understand that Wikivoyage has a point of pride of not issuing blocks. Without forming a judgement about the motives of the user, it is very tempting to swallow our pride here.  I suppose another possibility would be to allow swifter deletion - Project:Votes_for_deletion is getting out of control, mostly due to this user. -- (WT-en) Jonboy 15:16, 30 March 2006 (EST)
 * He has changed tactic: now creates articles on small communities I hardly believe can pass the "can you sleep there?" test. Needs special attention. (WT-en) Simone 15:35, 30 March 2006 (EST)
 * The use of a temporary block (e.g. 24 hours) might put a fraction of the inconvenience on him rather than the rest of us, and drive home the notion that there can be consequences to his misbehavior. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 16:54, 30 March 2006 (EST)

This isn't the place to discuss a ban. This is: Project:User ban nominations. If you feel strongly enough about it, take it there. As for discussions about where we're heading with WikiTravel and what articles are good articles, there are plenty of other places to talk about that too. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 17:18, 30 March 2006 (EST)

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Wikivoyage:Vandalism/Archive/2007

User:(WT-en) Coon Duhh
The usual juvenilia, with the added twist that it has left a trail of similarly juvenile redirects to clean up too. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 13:45, 17 December 2007 (EST)

Another player in the same game is User:(WT-en) Fragment of the Future. The two seem to chat by moving each others' pages. (WT-en) Pashley 03:43, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Indian Spammer
Altering phone numbers on the Indian Subcontinent -- possibly a tout trying to drum up business or worse. Pages altered include Puri, Lahore, Kalimpong and many others. Multiple IP Addresses used including 121.247.229.171, 203.148.64.20, 121.246.3.78 and many others. See "Phone number spam" discussion in the pub.

Please revert India phone number changes on sight. -- (WT-en) Colin 09:26, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

User:(WT-en) Autobot
Not sure what's going on here, but it looks like an auto-vandal. I've blocked it for a couple of hours. I know we do that reluctantly, but there appears to be no choice in this case. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:04, 23 February 2007 (EST)

User:(WT-en) Tay
WoW, to put it succinctly. Several of us are on it. He's prolific this time. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:48, 6 February 2007 (EST)

User:(WT-en) KrobyHouse and sock puppets
This one discovered sock puppets at a young age. The usual juvenilia... -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 01:04, 16 June 2007 (EDT)

Need help with it:
Italian Wikivoyage is under attack from what seems to be a distributed bot network; any help very welcome. --(WT-en) Evan 22:02, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

 * I just took a look and it appears that the crisis is over (at least for now)? - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 09:20, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

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Wikivoyage:Vandalism/Archive/2008

George Furimidad
Swept in from the pub:

Can someone please help me revert George Furimidad's page moves? Renaming Fucking was one thing, but a slew of serious articles were moved à la Willy on Wheels. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 19:05, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

Skylights76
User is uploading pornographic images in place of entire articles, and I am unable to "Undo" the edits. (WT-en) Jtesla16 08:55, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I had trouble looking at the diffs, but I think I was able to roll them all back. --(WT-en) Jonboy 10:14, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

 * I think you have to purge cache on each page too after, I was still able to see the porn on Xian even after it had rolled back, and even though I hadn't looked at it before the rollback – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 15:24, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

65.25.104.223 and 65.25.104.247
Check for vandalism on Montreal. Thanks --(WT-en) Matt Talk 22:39, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

 * The changes have been reverted. I was unaware that I could revert changes en masse. We should still probably keep an eye on these IP's though. --(WT-en) Matt Talk 22:59, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

 * How do you revert en masse? (WT-en) Pashley 11:31, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

wts:Special:Contributions/NasNet
Please draw your attention to a NasNet's activity. I suggest that he in such a way bridle at hold-up wts:Ukrainian Wikivoyage Expedition. -- (WT-en) Sergey kudryavtsev 14:38, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Klaidy
I ask to analyse this diff at Russian wikivoyage (i have no Spanish skill). It's possibly a spam. -- (WT-en) Sergey kudryavtsev 07:10, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

 * No, it seems to be a restaurant (although the web page sure is confusing). RA - Bar & Terraza. PLaza de la Gardunya, ( detrás de la boqueria ) Barcelona : Tel de reservas: 615959872. (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:24, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

 * Thanks. -- (WT-en) Sergey kudryavtsev 17:02, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

User:(WT-en) George Furimidad
This user has been mass vandalising using several accounts by moving pages to ones with vulgar names, most notably China, and has also been moving the pages of users who revert his edit to pages of vulgarities. Please revert any damaged pages once an administrator has blocked him.

 * I reverted most, but not all of the changes for tonight. Could someone else please finish the job?  Thanks. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 04:20, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

 * Should be cleaned up now. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:11, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

Eric Bauman & Themanwhowouldbeking
and, I have bannedusers/ip and reverted up to Renell and Bellona, but am out of time. Please continue the reverts if you can. I'll check back later --(WT-en) Nick 06:50, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

wikignome
Page move vandal moved 235 or so pages. I've reverted/deleted some, but must leave for work. (WT-en) OldPine 07:21, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

 * See here. --(WT-en) Jonboy 08:49, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

 * I think I have reverted them all, redirects still to be deleted, but I have some other issues to attend to first --(WT-en) Nick 09:19, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

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Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion

__NEWSECTIONLINK__ {| style="background: #f4f7fa; border: 1px solid #abc; text-align: center; padding-left: .3em; margin-bottom: 1.5em;" Votes for deletion This page lists articles, files and templates that are nominated for deletion. Any Wikivoyager can make a nomination or comment on any nomination. Nominations or comments should follow a rationale based on our deletion policy.
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If our deletion policy leads towards a merge or redirect, then coordinate this on the discussion page of the article.

The purpose of this page is limited to the interpretation and application of our deletion policy. You can discuss what our deletion policies should be on the deletion policy discussion page.

Nominating
Add a vfd tag to the top of the article, file or template being proposed for deletion, so that people viewing it will be aware. Place the tag at the very top, before everything else, except the page banner. Do note though, if you're tagging a template for deletion, use instead of vfd alone.

Add a link to the article, file or template at the end of the list below, along with the reason why it is being listed for deletion. Sign your recommendation using four tildes (" ~ ").

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===Chicken=== Not a valid travel article topic. ~

Commenting
All Wikivoyagers are invited to comment on articles, files or templates listed for deletion. The format for comments is:

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Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/April 2006

Archive for Project:Votes for deletion acted on in April 2006. If you can't find the chronicle that interests you here, try Project:Votes for deletion/March 2006 or Project:Votes for deletion/May 2006 for things that may have happened earlier or later, respectively.

Baile 1 Mai
Not a destination; candidate for speedy delete. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 14:51, 7 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Uh, why isn't it? It seems to be a hot springs area in Romania, though I can't find that much on it... (WT-en) Majnoona 15:20, 7 April 2006 (EDT)
 * As far as I can tell, it is a single spa, associated with a city or town called Oradea. I think our routine is for the village, not the spa, to be the destination, right? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:17, 7 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Delete if this is just a spa (the search results are mostly in foreign languages, so I'm having trouble figuring it out). -- (WT-en) Ryan 06:32, 12 April 2006 (EDT)

Image:Cusco1 089.jpg

 * No sign of 20-odd image releases - we don't do people pics. -- (WT-en) DanielC 17:00, 28 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Jonboy 17:08, 28 April 2006 (EDT)
 * It is linked only in the user's personal page. I don't think we need to be as strict there as in the mainspace. Besides, I did not have the heart to delete a picture full of smiling kids. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 01:28, 13 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Good point about only being linked on the user's home page. -- (WT-en) Jonboy 05:38, 13 May 2006 (EDT)


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Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/April 2007

Archive for Project:Votes for deletion acted on in April 2007. If you can't find the chronicle that interests you here, try Project:Votes for deletion/March 2007 or Project:Votes for deletion/May 2007 for things that may have happened earlier or later, respectively.

Bamanankan ani fraces
This doesn't appear to be a destination, or a travel topic. -- (WT-en) Mark 11:18, 18 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete - Bamanankan is a language and should probably be redirected to Bambara, but I'm not sure what fraces means here. --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 13:55, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:47, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

Image:Wikiphoto.jpg
Photo can be found on several commercial travel sites. -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 22:48, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. Thanks for doing this research. -- (WT-en) Colin 22:50, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:51, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

Image:Romanya60.JPG

 * Delete - No license info + advertising --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 13:15, 20 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete - also no pages link to it – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 01:46, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete (WT-en) Pashley 02:22, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:35, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

Viollet-le-Duc

 * Delete. A French architect, not an article subject per Project:What is an article?.  Content might be relevant as a note in the France article, but otherwise this is an encyclopedia article that is relevant to Wikipedia, but not Wikivoyage. -- (WT-en) Ryan (talk) 11:55, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete. I concur. (WT-en) Kiwiexile 10:39, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete - Not an article --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 14:15, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 13:33, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

Image:!cid 92E261D65BA711DAB551E8F0E7A0BE40@snj-us-pcwp-706.JPG

 * Delete. The image is orphaned, is not a travel photo, has no license, contains recognizable people with no model releases cited, and has a disturbingly long and cryptic file name.  Most importantly, the guy in the foreground on the right is blinking, which totally ruins the aesthetics. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:51, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Speedy delete. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 14:21, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

Silverjet

 * Delete Hold - Do we really need articles for each airline in operation? --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 02:25, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Having looked at American Airlines, Northwest Airlines and looking at the discussion on Project:What is an article?, I am starting to think that this might be a valid travel topic after all. If we do decide to keep them it might be a good idea to link to them from articles that mention these airlines, eg American Airlines is mentioned 3 times in Fort Worth, but none of those are linked to the article. --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 14:27, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep The same user has done articles for two other airlines, see Travel_topics, and I considered entering a VFD for those, since airline articles seem odd to me. But I decided not to bother; they do no harm I can see. For Silverjet, I didn't consider a VFD. They seem to offer an unusual service — business class only flights at good prices — which is worth mentioning. Even if the decision is to delete this, I think we need more info on such airlines, perhaps at First_and_business_class_travel. (WT-en) Pashley 03:17, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Actually, I did the AA and NW articles (mainly because the Flyertalk people don't know how to edit their own wiki) and had nothing to do with the Silverjet article. - (WT-en) Sekicho 03:52, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Oops. Since the three all appeared in the Travel Topics index at about the same time, I made a bogus assumption. (WT-en) Pashley 05:37, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete - while it's not officially listed in the criteria for deletion, I don't think it's far off from other things that are, and don't think it really needs to be it's own article. They only fly between Newark and London for one, so can be covered easily within the "Get in" sections on the articles, and mentioned (as it already is now) on the 1st&business travel page mentioned above. The info that's on the page could easily be condensed into a paragraph, a lot of it is more Wikipedia oriented anyhow – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 04:03, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Hold until the discussion I just started on Project:What is an article? reaches some sort of consensus. (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:24, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep. I think some of the other articles-about-carriers demonstrate that there is some worth in attempting this experimentally.  So let's just let the experiment run. -- (WT-en) Colin 22:49, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep - though am wondering whether a standard template should be devised for these kind of articles in order to keep them focused on travelers needs and prevent the info from becoming too encyclopedic. For discussion, see: Project:What is an article? . (WT-en) WindHorse 02:11, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Kept for now, but could be revisited when Project:What is an article? discussion ripens. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 14:23, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

Golf packing list

 * Delete. We don't want list for every sport. -- (WT-en) DanielC 17:04, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete or redirect to Golf. (WT-en) Pashley 19:04, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete or redirect to Golf....(WT-en) Gaimhreadhan (kiwiexile at DMOZ) • 19:20, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
 * I'd prefer a redirect to Golf; that article doesn't currently have anything like a packing list, but it probably should. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:37, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted; discussion also saved on Talk:Golf. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 14:36, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

North Weald Flying Group
Sister article to the above (North weald airfield). ~ 61.91.191.10 17:14, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 17:22, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

Project:Far Northeast Philadelphia
Redundant page resulting from an article being created with an incorrect name and then moved to another incorrect name (or something like that). ~ 61.91.191.2 13:06, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Ryan (talk) 15:01, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
 * delete -- (WT-en) Tim 09:15, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 17:24, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

Ocean city, nj

 * Delete - destination already covered under Ocean City, no new/usable information here, article name does not follow naming convention, nothing linking here--(WT-en) NJR_ZA 13:41, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect - Redirects are cheap and search engines like them. Combine info to Ocean City and then create a redirect. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 14:34, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Is this the same town as Ocean City? I came across a similarly titled Ocean City (New Jersey) yesterday, and this info should be combined with that one. This Ocean City is in Maryland! -- (WT-en) Tim 19:32, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect to Ocean City (New Jersey). If someone deletes it instead, I won't be outraged -- this is a pretty marginal redirect. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:41, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Redirected to Ocean City (New Jersey). -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 17:26, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

Hotel wangara
Per Project:What is an article? ~ 61.91.191.4 05:41, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete - as above – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 13:34, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:52, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

Club taco
Per Project:What is an article? - and there's more than one Club Taco, so it's not appropriate to redirect. ~ 61.91.191.2 12:23, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete - as above – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 13:34, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:25, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

Washington (D.C.) in four days
Contains only an empty 6-section template, has no itinerary-related content ~ 61.91.191.10 14:31, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep. I think this has the potential to be an awesome itinerary.  I'll try to work on something, though, I will be working a lot this weekend and de: is about to hit a fairly important milestone. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 18:59, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep. Leaving an empty page means that someone will rise to the challenge. -- (WT-en) Tim 19:26, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep. Looks like an excellent itinerary in the making. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:58, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Kept. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:29, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

Dc in 4 days
Redirects to Washington (D.C.) in four days ~ 61.91.191.10 14:31, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Redirected to the previous candidate, which was kept. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:31, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

Project:Stub articles/Stubs needing attention
Now an empty page. ~ 61.91.191.10 17:31, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 22:51, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:14, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

East Texas
Appears to be an old and now redundant region article ~ 61.91.191.8 07:18, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Redirect to Piney Woods? - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 19:29, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Reasonable idea, as I can imagine Googling on East Texas and getting to this page. Are they really equivalent, though?  I don't know much about east Texas. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:12, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
 * They're not exactly equivalent (this area this article covers includes our Gulf Coast region as well) but it's a logical place to send someone looking for "east Texas". - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 23:32, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Redirected to Piney Woods. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:06, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

Lake james
Body of water, does not warrant article as described in Project:Bodies of water -- (WT-en) Tim 18:53, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 22:51, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:08, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

Template:Paris arrondissements
I propose getting rid of the arondissements template at the bottom of all the Paris pages... is it really needed? We don't do that for any other city districts, I think them being listed in the districts section on the Paris page is sufficient... any objections? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 00:31, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

 * The reason (I think!) we have this template is because we can - in Paris the arondissements are well defined and recognised districts and as such we dont have to keep adding new district pages to the city, whereas London, for example, has got a really hazy list of districts that we're constantly revising and updating, which would make having a little district template there a complete pain. Having said that, I think the bar is of little use to the average traveller (for example, which one's got the Eiffel Tower in?) so I'd say delete it and improve the get out section in each of the arrondissement articles, to say which arrondissements are nearby and what the main attractions are in them, plus maybe also say which arrondissements the really famous attractions are in. -- (WT-en) Tim 07:41, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Good plan. We've been pretty good about keeping the articles uncluttered and I think this just opens the door to more things like it. Between the "Districts" section on the main city page and the "Get out" section on the districts, I think we've got it covered without the extra box – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 23:07, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 02:03, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

Papapa plantation

 * Not an article, not sure what (if anything) would be a good redirect. (WT-en) Maj 22:48, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete - not an article – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 23:15, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

Ipswich and the Scenic Rim wineries
Per Project:What is an article? ~ 61.91.191.8 13:59, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete - as above – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 00:32, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Departement
Redundant stub; about 20 countries have them, so not redirectable. ~ 61.91.191.11 05:45, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete - as above – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 00:32, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Département
Will be a redundant redirect if/when Departement is deleted. ~ 61.91.191.11 05:45, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete - as above – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 00:32, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Eglistathr
See User talk:(WT-en) Blacksapphire and http://www.getty.edu/vow/TGNServlet?english=N&find=Eglistathr&place=&page=1&nation= ~ 61.91.191.10 16:14, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete - as above – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 13:34, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

Image:BikeCrash.jpg
URL/watermark on the image suggests it's probably a copyvio ~ 61.91.191.10 04:24, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete - as above – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 13:34, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

Russia and the Caucasus

 * Delete - This article is a duplicate of the better named Caucasus article. I see no need to include all of European Russia in a special region together with the Caucasus. I have already merged relevant content from this article into the Caucasus.  --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 16:17, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect to Caucasus. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 19:36, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Unfortunately, a redirect here has complications: the region "Russia and the Caucasus" groups a region not used on Wikivoyage (European Russia) with the Caucasus. Presumably, someone looking for information on European Russia would not be satisfied with a Caucasus article. Moreover, I can't see why anyone would search for Russia and the Caucasus rather than Russia or the Caucasus. I don't believe a redirect would be helpful or even accurate. But I am pretty new here; I might just not understand the rationale. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 21:01, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

Image:Rafting10.jpg

 * Delete per Project:Copyleft. No license specified, and the logo indicates that the image came from another web site somewhere. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:36, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Category:User de

 * Delete. This is the only non-article status category, and is not useful enough to warrant keeping around. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:59, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

Project:Mostly harmless joke
No longer relevant as we now do have an Earth guide as an April fool joke. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 12:40, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete - good point... – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 19:24, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

Grand_Canyon_Whitewater_Rafting
Delete - Not an article, not really a travel topic as all the info is covered in Grand_Canyon. -- (WT-en) Tim 12:35, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Bouncy castles
I'm pretty sure this doesn't quailfy as an article. -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 21:18, 16 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Speedy Deleted. Definitely not. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 19:38, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

Pidgin
"a simplified language made up of elements of two or more languages, used as a communication tool between speakers whose native languages are different." ~ 61.91.191.8 15:34, 26 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect to Tok Pisin phrasebook. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hll 15:51, 26 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect to List of phrasebooks (Tok Pisin is probably not the only pidgin language we have here). Also add the definition of a pidgin language to that page. --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 00:28, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
 * I second both the suggestions made by (WT-en) NJR_ZA ~ 61.91.191.9 05:32, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Redirect to Tok Pisin phrasebook; this is much the best known pidign, an official language in PNG, so I'd say make it the target. It already mentions related languages; turn those into links if we develop phrasebooks for them. (WT-en) Pashley 22:46, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
 * I suspect that best known depends on what geographical area you are from. The first time I heard about Tok Pisin was during this discussion and I suspect if you ask anyone in Southern Africa what the best known Pidgin language is, they will answer Fanakalo. I also doubt that the Tok Pisin phrasebook will be able to list Fanakalo (English/Afrikaans/various African languages) or Russenorsk (Russian/Norwegian) as related, since Pidgin languages are almost always regional and do not share a lot in common with each other. Redirecting Pidgin to one specific language does not seem to make sense. See the |wikipedia pidgin entry for more information. --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 04:39, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect to List of phrasebooks; Redirecting to Tok Pisin would make about as much sense as making all romance languages point to Spanish. (WT-en) Texugo 05:09, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

 * I wouldn't object to redirecting to the list rather than to Tok Pisin, if (and only if) there are other pidgin languages listed there. It's not obvious to me that there are.  Am I missing any? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:56, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I don't think there are any others (yet). I also don't have any real objections to redirect to Tok Pisin, I just think it makes more sense to redirect to something a bit more generic. Sooner or later another pidgin language is bound to be added. --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 17:06, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

London/Richmond-on-Thames
Not linked to from anywhere, has no content, was created by an extlink spammer. ~ 61.91.191.4 23:14, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete - London is already districted, if a new one needs to be created the user should discuss on the talk page... is that area already covered within one of the current districts? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 00:36, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Keep. Is a valid town/district of London, just need some content... London/South West has an entry for an uncreated London/Richmond, which is the same thing. -- (WT-en) DanielC 16:13, 18 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep. Daniel's argument convinces me.  Should the London/South West article be modified to point to this one? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:51, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Kept. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:53, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

Primorskiy Krai

 * Speedy Delete - article is exact duplicate of better named Primorsky Krai; I am the sole author of this article. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 22:40, 9 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 01:30, 10 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Speedy Redirect seems obviously the right solution, so I've done it. (WT-en) Pashley 08:24, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Redirected. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:10, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

Kaliningrad (region)

 * Delete - this region has been superseded by the new geographic hierarchy for Russia. All content has been merged to appropriate region pages.  --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk
 * Nevermind, I have changed this to a redirect to Kaliningrad Oblast. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 11:12, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

Amur

 * Delete - this region has been superseded by the new geographic hierarchy for Russia. All content has been merged to Amur Oblast.  --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 22:12, 9 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Changed to redirect Amur Oblast. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 11:12, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

Parasailing
Not an article, should be covered in Ibiza or resort articles. -- (WT-en) Tim 19:03, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Delete – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 00:36, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Discuss first. I can imagine parasailing as a valid travel topic, notwithstanding the current content of the article.  If there's a sense that it could be made into a topical article, let's make it so rather than deleting. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 17:05, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:50, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

Project:Deletion log
Superseded by Special:Log/delete ~ 61.91.191.10 18:03, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep. Yes, it's out of date, but it contains archival information that's useful.  Keeping it does no harm. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:45, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Kept. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:37, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Reel Screamin' Fishing Charters

 * Delete per Project:What is an article?. To the author: please also read Project:Don't tout.  The edits are appreciated, but please try to use a tone of sharing travel advice rather than advertising. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:22, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Update: per below a speedy delete sounds OK by me, but I'd ask that we wait at least a day or two just in case the original author returns. Seeing an article with a VFD tag on it is one way to inform contributors that their contribution is appreciated but not in quite the right format, while if the user returns and finds the article missing they may just simply recreate it. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:21, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. Speedly delete? -- (WT-en) DanielC 16:26, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Speedy delete. Definitely not an article. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 17:34, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Deleted -Speedy, not an article --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 02:28, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

Northern Russia

 * Delete - this region has been superseded by the new geographic hierarchy for Russia. All content has been merged to appropriate region pages.  --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk
 * Despite my other redirects, this article should still go - it is a defunct region by the new hierarchy and does not correspond to any new regions. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 11:12, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

 * delete (WT-en) Pashley 09:36, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Deleted --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 02:31, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

The panama hotel

 * Delete - non article -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 19:58, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete, after someone who knows Seattle decides if content is worth moving there. Doesn't look it to me, but seems worth asking. (WT-en) Pashley 04:34, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * There's already a handful of sleeps in Seattle. According to the article, this place has rat traps and smells like cat pee.  Probably not worth mentioning. -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 10:16, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Deleted --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 03:45, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

Several Images by User:(WT-en) Dingle
Has uploaded several images of people without model releases. They aren't really useful to the traveler either. Also never responded to a message on his talk page.

 * Image:Ventry5.jpg
 * Image:Ventry4.jpg
 * Image:Ventry2a.jpg

Also Image:Ventry1a.jpg which is a duplicate of Image:Ventry1.jpg -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 15:16, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Image:Ventry3.jpg is also a privacy violation. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 17:18, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Deleted --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 06:32, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

Greenfield Village
This article supposedly should not exist, it should be under the city page. (WT-en) amssports06, 11 April 2007

 * The info for this attraction has been moved to the article for Dearborn, and I've turned this page into a redirect to that article. This shouldn't need any further action. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 16:27, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

Belilios Lane
Outcome: Deleted
 * Delete, butsomeone that knows Singapore might want to check if any of that info is reusable elsewhere --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 13:29, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. It's a street in Singapore/Little India, but not a very well known one, and doesn't need even a redirect. The "info" is just a badly disguised plug by a hotel on the street. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:42, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

Real race
Delete - Nothing but blatant advertising by one single company, the article name being their website name. (WT-en) Texugo 00:41, 2 May 2007 (EDT) Outcome: Speedy deleted --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 01:58, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

The Real Race
Delete. - Same as Real race. -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 01:16, 2 May 2007 (EDT) Outcome: Speedy deleted --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 01:58, 2 May 2007 (EDT)