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Talk:Nigeria

Nigeria For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Nigeria/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.

Cities List
Is there a policy on the number of cities that can/should be listed on a country page? I seem to recall reading somewhere that the maximum should be 9; but I can't remember where I saw it, not can I find a policy. (WT-en) Nrms 05:30, 4 November 2008 (EST)

 * Yes, the limit is nine (7 plus/minus 2, to be precise). See eg. Project:Country article template. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:19, 4 November 2008 (EST)

 * Cheers! I'll get rid of the ones that aren't linked to. Seems easiest. Convo is on here, so if someone objects to what's left, they can do some work on it :) (WT-en) Nrms 07:26, 4 November 2008 (EST)

 * Actually, when we don't have subregions, the consensus is to allow more than 9 cities in the list until we do create subregions. But since the city articles weren't even created yet, no harm done. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:15, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Regions
Nigeria needs a set of travel regions. The administrative division list would make for too many divisions, but it might be useful to make the travel regions by amalgamating administrative districts. Here's the old admin division list:

; Administrative divisions : 36 states and 1 territory*; Abia, Abuja Federal Capital Territory*, Adamawa, Akwa Ibom, Anambra, Bauchi, Bayelsa, Benue, Borno, Cross River, Delta, Ebonyi, Edo, Ekiti, Enugu, Gombe, Imo, Jigawa, Kaduna, Kano, Katsina, Kebbi, Kogi, Kwara, Lagos, Nassarawa, Niger, Ogun, Ondo, Osun, Oyo, Plateau, Rivers, Sokoto, Taraba, Yobe, Zamfara

--(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:15, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Alright, here is my attempt at creating a set of regions for Nigeria (references are to ): You can smooth out the borders as the political borders are a bit jagged. The reason I did the complex thing (it's not that difficult once you visulalize what I'm describing) between Central-North Nigeria is that the Central part of the country is a gradual transition and there is no natural or political boundary between the two...the southern border of Kaduna state is too close to Abuja, yet using the river is not a good choice as Kaduna city is a prominent Hausa city and once a prominent Hausa city-state. I've based this roughly on the Bradt Guide which has only one map of Nigeria's regions about 4cm x 4cm and with no cities, rivers, political borders, etc...so I had to figure out decent descriptions. The guidebook had Eastern & Northeastern Nigeria in one region, but I think they are quite different (I think the reason was their rural/remoteness and the ease of describing the few parks/cities in those regions). If anything were to be changed, North & Northeast could be merged. Any thoughts, comments? (WT-en) AHeneen 04:39, 21 January 2010 (EST)
 * Southwest Nigeria—land of the Yoruba, the city of Lagos; comprises everything to the south of Kwara state and to the south & west of the Niger River
 * Southeast Nigeria—land of the Igbo and mostly tropical rainforests on coastal plains and includes the Niger Delta region; comprises Delta state, Kogi state east of the Niger & south of the Benue, the western half of Benue state (draw a smooth line/curve from the bottom of the dip in the Benue River to the top protrusion of Cross River state), Cross River state and everything inside that.
 * Central Nigeria— nothing unifying, but it's a transitional area from the Christian/forested south to the Islamic/savanna north; the southern boundary is the Niger/Kwara border, Niger River, Benue River all the way to about the "n" in the blue "Benue"...the northern border is a bit tricky...see the horizontal east-west border between Kaduna & Niger states SW of Kaduna city? That's the middle of a shallow, sweeping curve...from the western tip, draw a gentle curve to the northernmost point on the border between Niger state and Benin (paralleling the Niger River at its westernmost)...from the eastern tip, continue to the eastern tip of the river (SE of the last "a" in bold "Kaduna") and continue to the Baluchi-Plateau border which wraps around to where you left off on the southern border at the "n" in Benue (you cut off the top protrusion in Plateau state and smooth around that border)
 * Eastern Nigeria—simmilar to the SE with its Igbo and forests, but more rural, has many nature reserves and includes highlands and short mountains along the Cameroon border; includes eastern Benue state (that's not in SE Nigeria region) and the portion of Taraba & Adamawa states south of the Benue river.
 * Northern Nigeria—home to the Hausa and their historical city-state such as Kaduna & Kano, all this area practices Sharia law (which applies to Muslims only, not poor travellers); comprises everything in the northern part of Nigeria, with an eastern boundary along (and including) Bauchi & Jigawa states and for the sake of smooth boundaries can include the NW protrusion of Yobe state
 * Northeastern Nigeria—simmilar to Northern Nigeria, but Fulani people/culture (known as Peul in French lang. and thus it the term used for them in neighboring Niger & Cameroon) are more prevalent than Hausa, also it's a bit more arid except near Lake Chad, Shiria law in these states as well; comprises everything else (Borno, Yobe, Gombe states and remaining parts of Adamawa & Taraba states).

 * The Bradt guides are well done, and your descriptions of each region seem sensible to me. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 22:09, 24 January 2010 (EST)

 * Any chance of some less sterile region names? --(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:32, 27 January 2010 (EST)

 * Unfortunately none as far as I can tell. (WT-en) AHeneen 06:15, 27 January 2010 (EST)

 * I will get on with the regionalisation before actually drawing the map. This is a big one, with 36 state redirects required as well as all the existing article breadcrumbs etc. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:33, 28 January 2010 (EST)

 * Done. I followed the spirit of the suggested division and made minor adjustments using rivers as boundaries where appropriate. That was a tough one both to figure out and to draw. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:04, 29 January 2010 (EST)

 * I was hoping the central/northern border would pass a bit further south, but I guess this will work. (WT-en) AHeneen 07:03, 29 January 2010 (EST)

 * I can change that easily if it is important.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:26, 29 January 2010 (EST)

Comments about Nigeria
''I agree...I was in Nigeria in October (2008) in Lagos and my ten days were without criminal incident. I found people very nice and quite respectful. The food was excellent!!! Taxi drivers are a bit special though, even if you have a Yoruba companion. I would go back again and again. (Clifton E. Hill)'' —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Clifton Hill (talk • contribs)

this article made me laugh til my insides hurt. of course i am nigerian. much of it is true, and the writer is obviously an experienced oyinbo who has lived in nigeria. but also some of it is ridiculous, as is the perception of many oyinbos about nigeria, especially those who have never visited and have no intention of doing so based on the well constructed and perhaps valid phobias out there about the country.... (WT-en) Ayo Adene 11:28, 20 December 2010 (EST)Ayo Adene

 * Fortunately, this is a wiki, so you can change the text yourself to make it more accurate and useful. Plunge forward! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:38, 21 December 2010 (EST)

This opening article is quite ridiculous. The danger sign the ober-the-top manner of portraying the health situations. Elkaamilah (talk) 14:13, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

 * As long as the COVID-19 plague is continuing, that's the first thing travellers are going to want to know about a country. If you disagree with the placement of the warnings/information, I think the place to discuss that is the Travellers' pub, because you can see information or warningboxes about COVID-19 at the top of many articles, and therefore, it's a much larger question than just what to do in this article. Here's a somewhat random sampling: United States of America, Germany, South Africa (looks somewhat outdated, though), Malaysia. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:24, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

The other destinations list
Is a bit of a joke, right? Most of those places aren't even wikilinks... Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:06, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Currency, time and spelling conventions
Below is a proposed infobox to let readers know which formatting conventions to use in Wikivoyage articles. Do you agree with these proposals? If you have direct knowledge of what is most commonly used in the country, please let us know. Ground Zero (talk) 18:12, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Moved to the top of this page. Ground Zero (talk) 04:38, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Regions, revisited
Recently a couple of new users have edited the Port Harcourt article to avoid saying that it's in Southeast Nigeria, and I wonder if this is a sign that our region divisions don't match the local understanding. While our regions don't have to match the local understanding completely, it's better if they do when feasible, because that makes things easier for travellers. I see there's only been minimal discussion about Nigeria's regions above—should we change them in some way to make them more useful for travellers? Pinging User:Eneniflo and User:197.210.84.221 for input. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:48, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

 * I also invite comments from User:197.210.227.68, who describes the location as Southern Nigeria. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:06, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

 * "A couple of new users"? You mean the same person, using two IPs and a registered account, right? I'm all for having a new discussion, and for soliciting the opinion of the person who has been edit-warring, but let's not pretend it was more than one individual.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:37, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Mezaya1 My submission to this topic is, Nigeria has six recognized geographical zones and Port Harcourt is located in South South zone and Rivers State is not among the South Eastern States. Lets correct this. —The preceding comment was added by Mezaya1 (talk • contribs) 00:23, 3 February 2021

 * Hi Mezaya1, thanks for the comment. It sounds like you're talking about these zones, is that right? It's important to keep in mind that Wikivoyage is concerned with what regions make sense from the traveller's perspective; we're not so concerned with political administration. So are these six zones the most sensible way to organize Nigeria articles for the traveller? —Granger (talk · contribs) 06:46, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Granger, Yes the Geography of Nigeria which is also taught today in Nigerian schools is structured to show these 6 Geopolitical zones and so is the literature and all official documents available to travellers. It would be much easy for a traveller to use these 6 zones as a guide and not get misunderstood. If you tell anyone to take you to the south east, they would understand South east to mean any of the 5 Igbo speaking States of Enugu, Anambra, Ebonyi, Abia and Imo state. On the other hand, South South states are Rivers, Edo ,Delta, Bayelsa, Akwa Ibom and Cross River state respectively. Lets update our articles sing this info. Thanks —The preceding comment was added by Mezaya1 (talk • contribs) 13:59, 3 February 2021

 * That makes sense to me. Does anyone else have input? —Granger (talk · contribs) 19:09, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

 * Not except that unless someone gives a good rebuttal to Mezaya1's points within 24 hours, we should go with the guidance they gave us. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:10, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

 * I agree. It'll take a bit of work to make a new map and move all the cities to the right regions. I'll try to do this sometime soon (unless someone else gets to it first). —Granger (talk · contribs) 07:40, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

 * I think this is done. Please fix any errors if you see them. Is there any chance you'd be able to help write descriptions for these six regions? You can look at other articles like Ghana and United States of America for examples of what region descriptions should look like. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:40, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

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Map typo
The map lists a city in the Northeastern region called "Maidugiri". Presumably that's a typo for Maiduguri. Could someone who knows how to edit maps fix that please? —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:04, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Done -Shaundd (talk) 03:55, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! —Granger (talk · contribs) 11:06, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

There should be articles for states in Nigeria
Ikan Kekek, Ground Zero, SHB2000, Timmylegend I have moved the discussion here.

I recently noticed that the standard article category for Nigeria is Region>>>Cities, it should be Region>>State>>Cities, for example, Ibadan is under the southwestern Nigeria region, I feel there's an omission for states in Nigeria. I am saying Ibadan should be under Oyo-state, not directly under Southwestern Nigeria. I noticed the California article exist, and California is a state in the US. Also, the article about Lagos should be a stand-alone article called Lagos State (very debatable). States in each Nigerian region should have articles of their own, as there is an article for New York (state), there should be an article for Lagos State as well. The New York article is under the Mid Atlantic region, this should be replicated for Nigerian states. Another important thing to note is that towns like Lanlate, Ibarapa, Eruwa, Oke-Ogun etc, in Oyo State will be under the Southwestern Nigeria region, I feel it doesn't make enough logical sense. The same arguments go for the towns and Cities in Ekiti state being directly under Southwestern Nigeria is not appropriate as well, as there are quite a few Ekiti Towns and settlements, grouping Ado Ekiti, Igede Ekiti, Itaji Ekiti, Oye Ekiti, etc will be under the southwestern region is not cool. There is enough content for States in Nigeria and will be creating and recruiting new persons to create them.Haylad (talk) 10:04, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

 * - thanks. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:07, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * we are definitely looking forward to having more content in Nigerian articles and will help out with your work, including creating states articles as they become needed.
 * I've started going through the articles to make sure that the state is mentioned in the text for each city, and will continue over the next few days.
 * Haylad, can you tell us how time is usually shown in Nigeria? Do people mostly use the 24-hour clock (09:00-17:00), or the 12-hour clock (9AM-5PM)? Thanks, Ground Zero (talk) 10:50, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for the motivation. I am planning on creating an article for Ado-Ekiti and all other Ekiti townships, do you think I should create the Ekiti State article first?
 * The Official time format in Nigeria is the 12-hour clock (9AM-5PM), My friends in the Military do use the 24-hour clock (09:00-17:00), but most Nigerians use the 12-hour clock. I hope this helps.Haylad (talk) 14:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I have put sub-headings in the list of cities in South West Nigeria to sort them by state. I think this is a better approach for now. It does show that we don't have any city/town articles for Ekiti State yet. I am looking forward to reading about your state when you write some articles.
 * Our policy on creating articles for regions says: "Importantly, we only add a level of regions when there is too much content in the existing breakdown. As a result, the regional hierarchy at Wikivoyage doesn't always follow the official breakdown — and frequently is much "flatter" than the official political or administrative breakdown." I think it's it us best that we follow the policy, and create the state article after the destination articles.
 * Thank you for the information on the time format. I have corrected the formatting conventions box at the top of this page to reflect your advice. Best regards, Ground Zero (talk) 15:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * As I wrote in the pub, South West Nigeria now has lots of articles and creating state articles within that region would make sense. The other regions don't need to be broken up yet, though. Creating state articles under one region doesn't mean we have to do it for all regions. The state articles in other regions should be created when there are enough city articles in each one. Ground Zero (talk) 12:50, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:51, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Mobile phone provider listings
We generally provide information at the highest level of article to which it applies. For example, we only provide information on getting visas to enter Nigeria only in the Nigeria article. Although that information would also be relevant for someone who wants to visit Kaduna or Ife Ife, putting it in every city article for Nigeria would add a lot of repetitive text to the city articles. Also, it means a lot of work updating articles if the visa rules change. There is also risk that the information won't be updated consistently, and it will appear like there are different rules for different cities.

For mobile phone services, if these are nationwide providers, the listings should be only in the Nigeria article, and we should just specify which companies have usable service in each city. This way when a provider changes its name, for example, like when ZAIN became Airtel, we don't have to update dozens of articles.

So far, the information that us available in articles like Ikorodu hasn't been added to the Nigeria article. Ground Zero (talk) 11:11, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Yes, often this is how often article inconsistencies occur. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:15, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

 * I made a remark to the same effect in an edit summary. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:18, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

[undent] I've moved this from the Ilesa article, so we can edit these listings here as appropriate and add the info to Nigeria:

Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:17, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Also pinging as you might also want to have a look at this (and 's comment above) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 03:29, 21 June 2021 (UTC).

 * Thanks SHB2000 for notifying me of this. You would have noticed I have not been engaging myself with the "Connect" section for most articles I've worked on. That's partly because I haven't gotten a clear picture of how to go about it. And this discussion you've directed me to, it's very enlightening. Thanks. Osenibabalola0 (talk) 09:15, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries mate! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:03, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Why do these listings have coordinates? They seem to point to somewhere in the Atlantic (one north of Svalbard, the rest west of the Gulf of Guinea). Can they just be removed? –LPfi (talk) 16:38, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Also, in the Connect section you are asked to use "the International Code". On mobile phones you have the plus sign. On land lines you must dial the digits of this code. Is it the same all over Nigeria? Does it vary by operator? We should either provide the code or tell how visitors can find out what code to use. –LPfi (talk) 16:49, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I removed the coordinates. Ground Zero (talk) 17:21, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Problem with mapshape for 1 state in South South Nigeria
Despite having Q503923 in the mapshape, the area (containing the marker for Port Harcourt) is not colored on the map. The other 5 states do have the color. --FredTC (talk) 11:57, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It may be better to move this to the Nigeria café. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:05, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes that might be a good idea, but over there with some different text. The problem is that River State has no mapshape data via Wikidata (Q503923). That will also be a problem when another suggestion I'm thinking of would be followed. That suggestion is: "Make all top level region articles similar to the South West Nigeria article". The South South Nigeria article would in that case suffer from the same problem. --FredTC (talk) 12:36, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Sleep
I think it would be very nice to present also the typical budget options, and the typical options in smaller towns. Are there types of accommodation you should avoid even if you don't need the comfort of a good hotel? What do you do if you cannot find any accommodation in our guides or on the net for a place where you'd like to spend the night? Should you stay away or could you trust there to be some place if only you arrive early enough in the afternoon? –LPfi (talk) 10:35, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Image of Zuma Rock in Other destinations
I don't think we should use an image in the other destinations section for a destination that is not listed. Any suggestions on what to replace it with? -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:38, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * We don't need an image in that section: it's too crowded right now. Zuma Rock is mentioned in "See," so the best solution is simply to move the thumbnail down the page to a section that has a good deal of free space with no images. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:06, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Phone numbers
The infobox at the top of this page says:
 * "Phone numbers should be formatted as +234 XXX YYY-YYYY."

Connect says nothing about the numbers, other that that the area code (etc.) prefix "0" should be left out when using the +234 international prefix.

The formatting advice implies that the XXX can always be left out when dialling "locally", when having the same prefix on the calling phone. Is this also true for mobile phones (with local SIM)?

What about numbers like "+234 707 097 8948" and "0903 491 0703"? Do people really have phone numbers with leading zeroes (in the form used for local calls)?

Are there prefixes that imply a higher charge, local calls only or other things travellers should be aware of?

–LPfi (talk) 06:21, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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Net cafes
If anyone knows of 24h net cafes in Niigata, and particularly, near Niigata Station, that would be a great addition for travelers stuck overnight. Alternatively, if a karaoke booth has discount rates and doesn't mind a late night stay, that would be useful, too. --(WT-en) Orcrist 07:54, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

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isIn
Is the isIn messed up for anybody else? All I see is Tochigi, no Japan/East Asia/et al. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 03:18, 8 March 2007 (EST)

 * I have changed it to isPartOf, that generally works better than isIn, still had a problem, so I just deleted the complete line and retyped it. Seems to be OK now. --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 03:51, 8 March 2007 (EST)

 * Thanks. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 07:44, 8 March 2007 (EST)

"No competition day, play ice skating" ?
Hi 隼鷹 (Hayabusa? :-) ). I don't understand this sentence you wrote. Do you mean that regular people cannot skate there the day of a competition? Or at any time of the year? — Fabimaru (talk) 11:57, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

 * So, mean is visiter people cannot skate the day of competition. Sorry for making you go to all this trouble.　--隼鷹 (talk) 12:43, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your answer (I'm translating it to French), and your contributions in general. — Fabimaru (talk) 20:19, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Nils/200404

Hello, Nils! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. --(WT-en) Evan 15:26, 1 Jan 2004 (PST)

Frankfurt skyline
So, I shrunk down Image:Fraskyline02---wide800.jpg to Image:frankfurt_skyline.jpg. Nice picture! --(WT-en) Evan 09:11, 6 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * Thanks. I tried to upload a smaller version but it somehow wouldn't work? Anyway I have some more, at least using them on wikivoyage they serve a greater good. :) --(WT-en) Nils 16:01, 6 Jan 2004 (CET)

Brittany pictures
The two pictures from Britanny you submitted in the France section are nice - maybe it's possible to have the second one in a higher resolution to do some work on it ? I didn't visit Brittany myself, but a friend of mine is going to spend one year there pretty soon. I'll tell him to write down something about it ! (WT-en) Mathieu 12:52, 28 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * Thanks. Unfortunately, the camera was broken - as you can see from the quality of the pictures (or lack thereof). I should have the originals, somewhere, but I can't promise that I will be able to find them for a re-scan in higher resolution. I should revisit it some day. -- (WT-en) Nils Feb 3rd, 2004

Germany - Other Destinations
I do not see the harm in collecting other destination articles on the main Germany page. However see Talk:Germany. - (WT-en) Huttite 18:40, 20 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Evan has answered the topic there just perfectly fine so I consider the matter closed :-) --(WT-en) Nils 10:28, 22 Mar 2004 (EST)

Factbook imports
Please don't replace factbook imports with empty templates. Take a look at the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import page. We leave factbook imports if they haven't been edited. If you disagree, please start a discussion there. --(WT-en) Evan

Belfast pictures
Please see Talk:Belfast for why I think the photos should be restored. --(WT-en) Professorbiscuit

Thanks
Thanks for doing such a great job over the last few days. It's been much appreciated.

One thing I wanted to point you at was the Project:attraction listings format. URLs go at the end of the listing. --(WT-en) Evan 11:15, 14 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Thanks. Except for some entries in Frankfurt from the early days, I don't think I used a wrong attraction format? And I haven't touched any one else's attractions I think. But I'll keep it in mind and fix it when I am editing an article. -- (WT-en) Nils 13:14, 14 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Welcoming people
Did you know there is an official Project:Welcome message? That page has a neat little copy and paste section that gets all the links correct first time! Bookmark it an keep a window open - it makes welcoming people a breeze. BTW: I fixed a broken link in your welcome to Dan the plank. Keep up the good work. -- (WT-en) Huttite 09:25, 15 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Yeah, I know that message. I don't really like to use it. I mean I see how throwing some links at them is a good idea, but I usually welcome people when I have some specific message/feedback. Thanks for fixcing my broken link :) -- (WT-en) Nils 09:57, 15 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Quality feedback is always a good idea. I try to critique the first edits the new user has made and give specific links to any applicable articles, or just thank them for their contribution. If you can think up a better welcome message, suggest it, or post your own standard text on your user page. -- (WT-en) Huttite 10:10, 15 Apr 2004 (EDT)

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White Space
White space = Good.

Seriously vertical white space dramatically improves readability, especially online, but also in print. I guess I'm going to have to change the MoS to reflect this well known typesetting fact. -- (WT-en) Mark 08:56, 27 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * In that case, changing the stylesheet is the way to go. Look at the html code. Currently, you have one ul-section for EACH ITEM. This increases page size, but moreover it "breaks" the parsing of the page. It rips apart the list entity. Lastly, it's not the way we do it on any other articles. Please fix your bullet lists. -- (WT-en) Nils 08:59, 27 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * It's the way we've been doing it on a lot of the articles for some time now. I've actually been breaking up all of the smashed together lists, because it makes the page flow better. -- (WT-en) Mark 09:02, 27 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Argh.. it still results in very bad html. Vertical whitespace is a good idea, but layout should not be handled at the html list. Maybe Evan can change the css - that's trivial. But getting a browser to correctly interpret lists that you broke is impossible. I've fixed the Geneva article, please don't break up any more bulleted lists - you defeat the purpose of those lists. -- (WT-en) Nils 09:05, 27 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Why exactly is it so imporatant for attractions or whatnot to be in individual lists? What browser is it breaking?  In what context? -- (WT-en) Mark 09:06, 27 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Because that's the f-ing way html works. Stop undoing my changes! Html is not a layout language, never has been, never will. CSS is for layout. Having each list as an actual entity in html becomes important when you want to, say, automatically convert articles into another format which is one of the declared goals of wikivoyage. Or when you want to apply a different stayle, say, change the indentations and so on. It's just horrible style. really, don't do it. And again, stop undoing my changes, you should not have done that in the first place. That's a twitty way of solving an argument. -- (WT-en) Nils 09:10, 27 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * I don't know if you've noticed, but we don't edit Wikivoyage in HTML, we use Wikitext. I'm not going to stop undo-ing your changes either, especially not given your tone.  Listen, I realise that you don't think tone is very imporant, but it is. -- (WT-en) Mark 09:13, 27 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Fine. Have it your way. Break articles. Do so without me. -- (WT-en) Nils 09:17, 27 Apr 2004 (EDT)

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Becarefull what you post on this page as Wikivoyage will heavily edit. The cannabis industry in Nimbin is protected by organised criminals and as such, it seems to be a taboo subject. The infomation currently on the page is outdated. Buyer beware !! (WT-en) Manalifinger

 * Please point to a single revision where useful information you have added to the article has been removed or "heavily edited". Please check your baggage, and if you are really interested in making a more useful article, make your suggestions as to how to improve it here.  --(WT-en) inas 23:22, 21 May 2010 (EDT)

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Combined with Nîmes article and put in re-direct(WT-en) Meltwaterfalls 05:17, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

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Untitled
This page needs to be deleted. (WT-en) Missvain 18:15, 20 December 2006 (EST)
 * On the contrary, it's being kept, and you should be congratulated for all the excellent work you did on it. See below (particularly Evan's comment, which is very much to the point); you really did excellent work here. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 17:34, 7 January 2007 (EST)

Nine-County Region
Is part of the Indiana regions but useless since it represents the Central Indiana area. I started writing this, then decided to merge it with Central Indiana. (WT-en) Missvain 22:58, 20 December 2006 (EST)

 * Keep - 13,000 Google hits for "Nine-County Region" +Indiana - better to redirect to Central Indiana than to delete ~ 203.144.143.8 01:29, 21 December 2006 (EST)
 * Waffle, but I note that "Nine-County Region" is a slightly more evocative name than "Central Indiana". I'm not a fan of "North Foo", "South Foo", "East Foo" regions, and if there's a local name that stands out more, I much prefer it. --(WT-en) Evan 02:04, 21 December 2006 (EST)
 * Keep as a redirect. Wikipedia also uses this as a region, but Central Indiana is a lot better at saying where this region actually is. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:18, 21 December 2006 (EST)
 * Keep. I'm with Evan; if a region name is in common use, then use it.  If anything, I could see Central Indiana getting redirected to this article rather than the other way around, the more so since User:(WT-en) Missvain did a nice job of starting content for it (which can easily be resurrected).  WTP? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 10:44, 21 December 2006 (EST)
 * I think the consensus for a keep is clear, and I'm removing this from the VFD. However, work still has to be done to reconcile this one with Central Indiana.  "Plunge forward," as the saying goes. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 17:30, 7 January 2007 (EST)

Mapmask

 * The mapmask used on the article page is in error. Probably was an older version that only covered a certain part of the Indianapolis area. Can someone correct coordinates to include all nine (9) counties. Thank you. -- Matroc (talk) 02:50, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Fixed -- Matroc (talk) 05:03, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:56, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Mapframe acting up
Nine-County Region from some reason, the map has a large grey X across it. Can someone explain why or fix it? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:34, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see an x but there is a mapmask template in the article that is shading the area around what I believe is the Nine-County Region. How accurate that is, I do not know. In the layers dropdown, uncheck the Group:mask and it will disappear. -- Matroc (talk) 01:21, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * From here, it looks to be shaded in some incorrect manner to put 1-Anderson, 11-Cumberland, 13-Greenfield, 18-Greenwood outside an almost-discontiguous shaded area and the others all inside. It's almost as if the points to draw the boundary are being drawn out of sequence? K7L (talk) 02:22, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I thought that might be the case. The data in the mapmask will need to be corrected or replotted. I will leave a note in the Talk page. -- Matroc (talk) 02:44, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

It looks like the software is transposing some of the co-ordinates, it starts fine with
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becoming
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[[-86.629,39.342], [-86.631,39.47], [-86.685,39.47], [-86.685,39.525], [-86.651,39.55], [-86.654,39.6], [-86.64,39.629], [-86.685,39.63], [-86.685,39.864], [-86.693,39.864], [-86.695,40.178], [-86.243,40.181], [-86.243,40.216], [-85.861,40.221], [-85.861,40.379], [-85.578,40.379], but then the last six co-ordinates end up out of sequence, so:
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 * [-86.381,39.34],

[-85.63,39.351], [-85.575,39.874], [-85.596,39.874], [-85.596,39.786], [-85.633,39.786]]], Drawn with the last six points out-of-sequence, the outline looks just plain wrong. I'm comparing the template args in the article wiki code to whatever HTML is visible on  (show page source) in the web browser. Something's happening between the co-ords being fed to the template and the out-of-sequence mess being delivered to the browser, not sure what as I'm not familiar with the code. K7L (talk) 04:03, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Fixed - template needed to have a closing position which is the same as the first set of coordinates given in this case. -- Mapmask is creating a polygon using the new Kartographer extension probably to create a maplink... Since I have played around with mapframe and maplink and polygons I figured it out... -- Matroc (talk) 05:02, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Category:Pages with broken maps
I'm noticing that pages which were perfectly valid with the old map and which have not been edited after the transition (such as Trans-Canada Highway) are appearing on Category:Pages with broken maps with  : Attribute "align" has an invalid value.

This is a bug. The alignment for the Trans-Canada Highway map needs to be "centre" because it's a purely east-west itinerary with a correspondingly wide (but not very high) map. Two lanes tall, 8050km wide. K7L (talk) 19:13, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

 * I already made a note in the Mapframe Template Talk page about it! -- appears that align=none is causing an error in the mapframe output - Hopefully it should be fixed - I did not want to change the 23 articles to align=center to correct the issue. I think it would be better to fix the underlying code than to use bandages here and there. -- Matroc (talk) 19:47, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I did some quick checking and believe align=none is not valid in <mapframe> (Kartographer Extension allows left, right and center), whereas the Template:Mapframe did allow it. A possible code change could be done to fix them or if need be I will go and change those in the list! -- Waiting to hear... -- Matroc (talk) 08:20, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
 * none as a value for align in the Mapframe Template is no longer. (left, right and center are allowed). Pages have been fixed by Roland. -- Matroc (talk) 18:58, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Nine days in New Zealand's North Island

VFD discussion

 * Delete. More of an advertisment than an article. More inclined to keep than the article above, but well worth discussing. -- (WT-en) DanielC 08:21, 30 August 2006 (EDT)
 * I don't see anything about this article that blatantly violates the Project:Deletion policy, and the author is trying to comply with policies. I really think this discussion should first be moved to the article's talk page before the article is listed for deletion - unless something clearly violates policy it should really be a final step for it to be listed here. -- (WT-en) Ryan 08:50, 30 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep, but needs DRASTIC editing. The given itinerary just "happens" to match a product being advertised by the poster, what a coincidence (notice the "with our compliments" language).  However, the concept of an itinerary for getting around the North Island is as sound as any other itinerary.  Make it into something based on the island itself, not an infomercial, and the traveler's interests will be served. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:55, 30 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Ryan and I both explained our concerns regarding policy and not being a tout to the user and he seems to be doing his best to be a productive user and with a little bit of work both articles can be excellent itineraries and less like a billboard. Keep -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 10:14, 30 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. And edit. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:23, 31 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 23:24, 2 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep, edit and make it much less specific to the tout's tours. This is potentially a very good itinerary (WT-en) Tim 07:11, 3 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Edit. This reads exactly like the itinerary of a professional tour organiser, and just so coincidentally, there is a link to a professional tour organiser at the end! Even if the itinerary is sound, it is written like a professional one and needs editing to make it seem more neutral, but the fact that it is followed immediately by the coach operator's site makes it very blatant advertising.

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Finally there are several links to other sites that directly compete with my company on the main NZ travel page (e.g Intercity Group, Naked Bus...), I cant see any difference. I must be blinded by corporate greed :) —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Relaxingjourneys (talk • contribs)
 * I am that "professional tour organiser" you refer to - So some of you only want content from people outside the travel industry? That's silly. I know more about travel in NZ than most people, and the itinerary I added (plus the other 2) were there to help people with ideas. I added a link to my site at the end for those that did find it interesting to read further. Yes, its possible I will make money if they book with me, but it's not blatent advertising, (i.e no sales message). They dont have to click on the link if they did I assume they wanted too! Wiki won't get anything else like this without poeple like me. The 'anti corporate' mentality from some of the above is not in the 'public's' wiki interests. Tut tut.

 * No worries, while there is sometimes a bias among contributors towards traveler-contributed edits, it's clear Wikivoyage policy to welcome business owners; we love to have them contribute (especially when they first take a second to peruse our policies, to make sure their contributions are in line with how things are done here). But please see Project:External links and our tours policy (the latter of which was written, I believe, after you contributed this piece). Also, you have a ton of external links on your userpage—I'd strongly encourage you to pare that list down to something like 5. Huge lists of external links hurts Wikivoyage's search engine ranking, and in the time since you created your user page, we've decided to summarily delete userpages that have big external link collections.  Lastly, please note that you can sign your comments by typing four tildes ( ~ ).  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:50, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

"Escorted Coach Tour Operators" section
Any objections to the deletion of this section? ~ 203.144.143.4 17:38, 8 January 2008 (EST)


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Talk:Ningbo

Older discussions (no structure)
Fine. Some person wants to delete the link to my site, I'm removing all my content. I could have made this article great - I've lived in Ningbo for 2 years, and I know just about everything about the city. But, I refuse to participate.

 * It's not personal -- please see Project:External links for the rationale. This site has to be stand-alone and complete.  But, alas, you can't delete your content either because you've already agreed to license it, see the small print below the Save page button when you edit. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:09, 21 Feb 2006 (EST)

I see now that some user who has taken my website's name has added tons of content from my site, copied & pasted directly. This means people don't even have to go to my site any more! This totally sucks. Thanks, Wikivoyage.

How do we add photos of the places, how should I handle multiple photos from the same place???

 * You upload pictures on Wikivoyage Shared, here . After you've uploaded them, you can put them here by using brackets with the image name: [[Image:Imagename|thumb|300px|Description]]

Thank-you for the kind advice about adding pictures, I have many hundreds of pictures of Ningbo and its landmarks from living there for over 15 years. Is it ok for me to add all the good ones, or would this be too much? Maybe adding a sub page for each location that I have pictures for would be a better way of showing all the pictures for that location without cluttering this page up too much?

I cant believe I never found this website before, its so easy to add content and to see everyone pitching in with there bit of knowledge I just had to add the information I have on the Beilun district, keep adding more information there is loads not here yet!

Do listings
All the listings below are basically a yellow pages style activies for people who live in Ningbo. I moved them all to here in case anyone feels they can add good value back to the article. I also removed a listing suggested sexual services --Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:24, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

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 * Good job clearing the excess from the article! One observation on a detail, though: I'm not a golfer, but there are people who travel for golf. If any of these golf courses is particularly notable, a golfer should speak up about that, because it would be a good reason to restore the listing in question to the guide. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:14, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Yes you are right. A lot of golf ranges in Asia are actually just big tents where you can whack balls all day long, although some of the listings here do seem to be fully fledged clubs. I'll add them back. Andrewssi2 (talk) 05:13, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Future metro lines
Since the first metro line opened this year (2014) I thought it interesting to take a look at the planned metro system by 2020: Andrewssi2 (talk) 02:00, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Niterói

WOAH! This isn't supposed to be a photo gallery! The images are overshrouding the information and if I was travelling to Niterói, I would go somewhereelse because it isn't inviting. I am deleting some of the images from the page until there is more info or there is disctricts. Keep smiling, (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 19:52, 25 November 2008 (EST).

Okay, there is way too many images (in fact, too much that there is this big blank space of just images). I think we should discuss which ones should stay. MarcFlo you should give your input. Per our rules, actually, there shouldn't be this many. I am super sorry if this makes people angry or I said it wrong or anything incorrectly. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 10:50, 26 November 2008 (EST).
 * Let me explain. The reason we do not want 20 photographs on each page is because this website is designed for travelers. Many travelers will want to look at a Wikivoyage article on a computer in a 3rd world country where the internet connection is very slow. Some people will view Wikivoyage on a cell phone and pictures take a long time to view. Finally, as Edmontonenthusiast said, the photos extend lower than the text. We are not trying to be rude or mean. New users take a long time to learn the rules...I spent 3 months before I knew the rules. We are here to help you. Ok? Keep editing Wikivoyage and you will learn the rules, and we will help you if you make a mistake. Ok? Edmontonenthusiast is sometimes rude, so ignore his rude comments. (WT-en) AHeneen 11:07, 26 November 2008 (EST)
 * Ditto. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee]  .T.A.L.K. 11:37, 26 November 2008 (EST).

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Talk:Nivå

Err, I'm going to clean up all the suspicious crime, drugs and violence stuff... this is a little fishy... (WT-en) Maj 14:22, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Nizhny Tagil

Credit
by Alexandra Pannikova (habitant of Nizhny Tagil)

I removed this, as we do not credit contributors within the text of the article. But by all means please register an account and you will then be credited the next time you edit by an automated process. I'd love to see more information about Nizhny Tagil, especially what to see, where to eat, and where to sleep! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:55, 6 November 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Nkhata Bay

Anonymous users have now deleted he description of the Japanese restaurant twice, without explanation. Is there a reason? (WT-en) Pashley 10:15, 9 September 2009 (EDT)

Remaining tasks
This article is at Guide status, so it would be nice to nominate it for OtBP, but I think that it needs more of an explanation of why someone would want to travel there. We're told it's all about the lake. The lake looks nice, but is it particularly beautiful? How easy is it to boat on the lake, other than by ferry? And by the way, the two ferries need to be more clearly differentiated; where does Ferry Ilala go? Also, is there any swimming, or is the lake only good for diving? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:08, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Yes, here's a good OtBP for a cold month on the Northern Hemisphere and that's exactly why I translated it. More information would be useful, but just like with Mombasa there's apparetly little of it available online (one in five businesses has a website etc.). As far as I understand there is just one ferry, the problem is that "go" apparently does only work as a marker and not as a listing. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:07, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Right now, it looks like there are two ferries, so I would suggest eliminating the marker and using only the listing template to provide the location information for the ferry. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:07, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Noboribetsu

Added Bear Park Warning
Saw this during the weekend and added a warning about the conditions the bears are kept in. Although I haven't set up a wikivoyage account, I'm Saganki- on wikipedia.

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Talk:Noida

please let me know the tel no. New okhala industrial development authorits;s office tel no.

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Talk:Nokia

Wagons
What kind of wagons are supposed to be used on the Maatialanharju nature trail? Station wagons? Caravans? Or simply prams? –LPfi (talk) 17:04, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Nong Bua Lamphu

TAT Listings
I moved the TAT listings that cluttered the province page to Talk:Nong Bua Lamphu/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 20:01, 6 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Nong Bua Lamphu/Listings

Amphoe Muang Nong Bua Lamphu
Monument and shrine of King Naresuan the Great (พระอนุสาวรีย์และศาลสมเด็จพระนเรศวรมหาราช) Built to commemorate King Naresuan the Great who in 1574 led his army en route Nongbua Lampu to Vientiane by the assignment of the King of Hongsa, or the kingdom of Burma which ruled Thailand at that time. As King Naresuan got sick, King of Hongsa allowed him to get back to Ayuthaya. The venue where King Naresuan set camp is in the compound of around Nong Bua Park, in front of Nongbua Lampu’s city hall. Every year during Januray 25-February 3, celebration and ceremony are held to honor King Naresuan. Nong Bua(หนองบัว) The big pond is situated right in front of the city hall. As it never dries up, the pond with beautiful back drop of Phu Phan Kham Range is a nice place to relax for Nongbua Lampu people. Phra Wor Phra Ta City Pillar Shrine (ศาลหลักเมืองพระวอ พระตา) Located just 100 metres from highway 210 (Nongbua Lampu-Udon Thani), the city pillar shrine is built to honor Phra Wor and Phra Ta who had established the city. The first stone of this city pillar shrine was laid on November 21, 1975. It was completed and opened on February 28, 1976. Namtok Huay To Botanical Park (วนอุทยานน้ำตกเฒ่าโต้) Sitauated on highway 210 (Nongbua Lampu-Udon Thani) some 3 kilometres from Nongbua Lampu City, the shady park is a nice place for picnic. The secreted shrine of Pu Loop is located nearby. Shell Fossil Museum (พิพิธภัณฑ์หอยหิน ๑๕๐ ล้านปี)  The museum features shell fossils from Jurassic Era, dating back to 140-150 million years ago. A number of bivalve fossils are found in good condition. These fossils are found in the mountain with 50 metres high cliff. In nearby area, 60 pieces of dinosaur fossils are found in the layer of siltstone, above the layer where fossils of shell, ancient crocodile เศษหินจาไมก้า and some minerals are found How to get there Motorist can use highway 210 (Nongbua Lampu-Udon Thani). The museum is located in Huay Dua Vilage, Tambon None Ton, at kilometre 88.5 on your left. Tourist can take Nongbua Lampu-Udon Thani Bus. Wat Tham Klong Pen(วัดถ้ำกลองเพล) Located at the foot of Phu Phan Mount, Wat Tham Klong Pen is the province’s famous forest temple. Without accurate history, the temple was probably built during Khmer era and it has been neglected until 1958. Luang Pu Khao Analyo, monk who practiced Vipassna meditation from famous monk Archan Man Phuritatta Tera, has used this venue to practice his meditation. He has covered 3-4 huge rocks with cement roof, making it a very big hall that can accommodate hundreds of people. Luang Pu Khao has practiced meditation here until he has passed away in 1983. Blanketed with lush vegetable and decorated with rock garden, around the temple is very shady and peaceful. The main hall or Ubosoth houses statue of Luang Pu Khao and two-sided ancient drum or Klong Pen. In its rock corners, there are many Buddha Statues in different attitudes such as meditation, reclining, and ‘Pattranimitr’ or bas relief of Buddha image in walking attitude. At the front of the hall is a huge statue of a Chinese Monk of good luck. A bit from the temple, a two-kilometre-long road, running through a forest and weird-shaped rocks, leads to the monument of Luang Pu Khao. Around the monument are: Museum of Luang Pu Khao Analyo’s utensils. The museum features ashes and utensils of Luang Pu Khao for Buddhist can pay homage. Old Monastery of Luang Pu Khao. The small wooden hut is situated in the shady forest. The new monastery is a huge house in Thai traditional style. Luang Pu Khao Wax Museum. The architecture, in the shape three rocks sitting next to each other, blends itself to the surrounding rock garden of the temple. Situated amidst colourful garden and lush green lawn, the museum features wax statue of Luang Pu Khao in sitting posture. His utensils are displayed in the room nearby. Luang Pu Khao Pagoda. Built to house ashes of Luang Pu Khao, the pagoda is situated on rock terrace and can be reached by stair. Luang Pu Khao Pavillion.Rectangular pavilion is built during Luang Pu Khao’s era as a venue for Buddhism rituals. Around the pavilion is calm and shady. How to get there From Nongbua Lampu city, travel via highway 210 (Nongbua Lampu-Udon Thani) for 13 kilometres, then turn right and keep going for another 2 kilometres. Museum of Luang Pu Lod (พิพิธภัณฑ์หลวงปู่หลอด) The museum opens daily from 9.00 am. to 4.00 pm. In the compound is Pmotita Pagoda which houses relic of the Lord Buddha from Nepal. The relic is open to public only on special day in Buddhism. Wat Sri Koon Muang (วัดศรีคูณเ��ือง) Located on Worarat Road, the ancient temple houses ancient stone leaves which are significant archeological artifacts, and ‘Luang Por Phra Chaichettha’ significant Buddha statue in Laotian style. Phu Phan Noi(ภูพานน้อย) The mountain provides great view point ‘Dao Bon Din’ or ‘Stars On the Ground’, where tourist can see Nongbua Lampu city illuminates brightly in the valley like stars on the ground. Phu Phan Noi is part of Phu Phan Range which lies from the east of Nongbua Lampu city towards Phu Khao Ranges, in Amphoe None Sang, in the south. Attractions of Phu Phan Noi are on Nongbua Lampu-Udon Thani highway. Tourist can turns right at Ban Phu Phan Thong and follow the signs for 4 kilometres, turn right and keeps going for toher 2 kilometres. Acquiring 35,000 rais area, Phu Phan Noi comprises mountains and mixed dipterocarp forest. The area is well developed for ecotourism with nature trails, view point area, toilets, and basic facilities for camping activities of student, scouts, and general tourists. The area is open around the clock. Amphoe None Sang None Wat Pa (โนนวัดป่า) The historical site once was ancient temple as stone Buddha image in the attitude of seating under protection of naga, ancient architecture and antique from the Khmer era are found. None Wat Pa is 20 kilometres from Nongbua Lampu City via highway 2146 (Nongbua Lampu-Amphoe None Sang Road) Phu Khao-Phu Phan Kham National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติภูเก้า-ภูพานคำ)  Established in 1985, Thailand’s 50th national park acquires total area of 322 square kilometres. Phu Khao-Phu Phan Kham National Park’s territory covers part of Amphoe Ubonrat, Amphoe Phu Wiang of Khon Kaen, and Amphoe None Sang of Nongbua Lampu. The park features two sandstone mountains situated away from each other. It is blanketed by deciduous dipterocarp forest, mixed dipterocarp forest, and dry evergreen forest. The park’s headquarter is located by the reservoir of Ubonrat Dam, close to Phu Khan Kham. Phu Phan Kham (ภูพานคำ) The mountain range, which is part of Phu Phan Range, is on the east of Phong River Basin. From the mountain top, tourist can see picturesque view of the reservoir of Ubonrat Dam through the valley. Camping ground, guesthouse of the park and the department of public welfare, are available at the end of the reservoir. Phu Phan Kham is famous for fish breeding and fishing site of the province. Phu Khao (ภูเก้า) is rugged sandstone mountain range in the shape of a pan. It comprises 9 mountains namely Phu Fang, Phu Khum Poon, Phu Han, Phu Moei, Phu Kor More, Phu Chan, Phu Pror, Phu Luek, and Phu Wat. Home of numerous wildlife, all 9 mountains are blanketed with lush forest. Its interesting attractions include: Wat Phra Buddha Bat Phu Khao. The ancient temple houses two gigantic foot prints, of human and dog, on the rock. Such footprints are related to local legend “Phra Suphrom Vimokha and 9-tailed Dog”. In its compound, there are Tham Mum and Tham Archan Sim, the caves which houses pre-historical paintings and carving on the walls. Tham Sua Tok, Tham Pla Hai, Tham Chek. The caves are interesting archeological sites. They house cave painting and carving which can be dated back to 1,500 years ago. Ham Tang Stone Pillar. The area is filled up with rocks in different weird shape. The outstanding one is huge rock sitting on the other like mushroom, making it a remarkable natural sculpture. Hor Sawan. The rock-top pavillion is amazingly built on a huge rock sitting by 30-metre high cliff. It can be accessed by stair and offers very good view. Tad Fah Waterfall. The small falls cascades through mixed dipterocarp forest before plunging 7 metres down into big pool below. The park provides boat for tourist can enjoy view in the reservoir and three guesthouses. For more information, call Phu Khao-Phu Phan Kham National Park at 0-1221-0526 or the Department of National Park, Wildlife, and Plant Life at 0-2562-0760 or visit www.dnp.go.th. Phu Khao-Phu Phan Kham National Park can be reached via two routes namely: '''None Don Klang Archeological Site (Ban Kud Kwang Soy). แหล่งโบราณคดีโนนดอนกลาง (บ้านกุดกวางสร้อย)''' Situated in Ban Kud Kwang Soy, Soi Santisuk, Tambon Ban Thin, east of  Phu Khao Mount, it is an archeological site. Pre-historical artifacts found here include terra cottage similar to Ban Chiang Culture, human’s skeleton, bronze and stone bracelet, glass beat, sandstone mold for bronze axe, steel tool and etc. Some artifacts are kept at National Museum Khon Kaen, the remaining are displayed in the village’s museum. How to get there Use highway 2146 (Nongbua Lampu-None Sang) for 36 kilometres and turn right at Ban Nong Waeng and keep going for 5 kilometres.
 * Route 1. Motorist can use highway 2109 Khon Kaen-Ubonrat Dam to Amphoe Ubonrat, then turn right into highway 2146 (Ubonrat-None Sang) to the park. This route is 63 kilometres long.
 * Route 2. From Nongbua Lampu city, use highway 2146 (Nongbua Lampu-None Sang) for 40 kilometres, turn left at Ban Sok Chan into Ban Sok Chan-Ubonrat Road. The park is 14 kilometres away. This route is 57 kilometres long

Amphoe Na Wang
Tham Erawan ถ้ำเอราวัณ The cave is situated in Ban Pha In Paeng, Tambon Wangthong, on a stone mountain called Pha Tham Chang Mount, right on the border of Amphoe Wangsaphung of Loei and Amphoe Na Wang of Nongbua Lampu. Tham Erawan is a big cave accessible via winding 600-steped stair. There is a big Buddha Statue at the cave’s entrance which leads to a huge hall naturally decorated with rock formation. This cave is a scene in local legends “Nong Phom Hom’ Or “the lady with fragrant hair”. Local souvenir shop is located in the nearby temple. How to get there The cave is 47 kilometres from Nongbua Lampu, use highway 210 (Nongbua Lampu-Loei), turn right at kilometres13, the cave is 2.7 kilometre further. Tham Pha Wiang (ถ้ำผาเวียง) The cave is situated in Moo 9 Ban Pha Wiang, Tambon Na Kae among picturesque mountain range called Phu Pha Wiang. The cave and around is territory of Wat Tham Pha Wiang. Tham Pha Wiang is naturally beautiful with rock formation and stalagmites. There are also many caves in the area such as Tham Pha Klang, Tham Thammas, Tham Pratoon, Tham Kok Nuayai, Tham Kangkao.

How to get there The cave is 45 kilometres from Nongbua Lampu City, motorist can use highway 210 (Nongbua Lampu-Loei).

Amphoe Na Klang
'''Wat Santitham Banpot or Wat Pa Phu Noi. (ว���ดสันติธรรมบรรพต หรือ วัดป่าภูน้อย)''' Besides offering very nice place for practicing meditation, the temple houses Buddha footprint and 8 groups of stone leaves setting in 8 directions. Each group comprises 4 stone leaves, some feature carving in Bhotisattva and pagoda’s crest. These leaves are probably places around Khmer shrine like those at Wat Sri Muang Koon. How to get there: The temple is 30 kilometres from Nonbua Lampu City, motorist can use highway 210 (Nongbua Lampu-Loei) and turn left at Amphoe Na Klang. It is 1.5 kilometes away.

Huay Rai Reservoir (อ่างเก็บน้ำห้วยไร่ ) The medium sized reservoir is situated in Ban Srakaeo, Moo 6, Tambon Dongsawan. With clear water, the reservoir is quite scenic. From November to February,  Sunn hemp plantation will paint the area in bright yellow. Tourist can enjoy cruising on motored raft which can control direction, unique vehicle of the reservoir. Restaurants on the raft are available.

Amphoe Sriboonruang
Wooden Ubosoth of Wat Chaoreon Songtham (สิมไม้วัดเจริญทรงธรรม)  Located in Ban Don Por, Tambon Nong Bua Tai, the wooden chapel or Ubosoth has compact size in rectangular shape. High roof creates good air ventilation. The ubosoth has delicate carving on the roof, and gable with neatly carved garuda. How to get there: The ubosoth is 30 kilometres from Nongbua Lampu City, motorist can use Nongbua Lampu-Sangsian Road.

Amphoe Suwan Kuha
Tham Suwan Kuha (ถ้ำสุวรรณคูหา) Situated in Wat Tham Suwan Kuha, Ban Kuha Pattana, Moo 7, Tambon Nasee, the cave house antique and portrait of King Chai Shettha of Vientiane. How to get there: Use highway 210 (Nongbua Lampu-Wang Sapung Rd.) and turn right into highway 2097 to Amphoe Suwan Kuha. Then travel via Phra Chai Shettha Road for a kilometer, turn right at Dong Yang Na Ta Laew School, the cave is 4 kilometres away. Phu Pha Ya Archeological Site (แหล่งโบราณคดีภูผายา) Situated north of Ban Na Chaoen, Tambon Dong Mafai, the site is in limestone mountain which separates itself from Phu Phan Range. Many pre-historical cave painting are found here. The first group of painting, in “Tham Lang”, line for 5 metres long on smooth cave wall. They comprise pictures of geometric, animals, hands, in red. The second group of painting, found in “Tham Bon”, comprises pictures of star, man, reptile, draft of big animal. All the pictures wee painted in red and scatter in small groups. These paintings are estimated to be 2,000-3,000 years old, as old as painting found at Phu Phra Bat Historical Park, Udon Thani, and their style are similar to those found in Guangxi Povince of China.A meditation centre of Buddhist monk is located nearby. How to get there From Nongbua Lampu City, use highway 210 ( Nongbua Lampu-Wang Saphung), turn right into highway 2097 to Amphoe Suwan Kuha, then use Suwan Kuha-Ban Na Charoen Road. Wat Pa Phufang Santitham (วัดป่าภูฝางสันติธรรม) Located in Moo 11, Ban Wang Phai, Tambon Wangthong, the calm and peaceful temple is built beautifully in modern style. There are delicate monasteries and amazing sculpture of nine-headed is built to protect the pavilion.

Festival
Naresuan Maharaja and Nongbua Lampu Red Cross Fair The fair is held annually between January 25-February 3 at Naresuan Maharaja Field, Amphoe Muang. The fair is very attractive with lots of merchandises. Boon Khao Chee Festivals The festyivals is held annually during the 13th-15th date of waxing moon in February at Wat Tham Suwan Kuha, Ban Kuha Pattana, Amphoe Suwan Kuha. The annual celebration and merit making of Amphoe Suwan Kuha features gigantic Khao Chee, local cuisine make from roasted sticky rice dipped in egg and sugar cane juice. Tham Erawan Festival The festivals is held between April 12-15 of each year at Hat None Yao, Amphoe None Sang. Buddhist will climb up the mountain and pay homage to the Buddha image in Tham Erawan. Annual Festival of Pu Loop Shrine and Phra Wor Phra Ta Shrine The rite is held annually on the first Wednesday and Thursday of May at Phra Wor Phra Ta Shrine and Pu Loop Shrine in Amphoe Muang. Rocket Festivals of Amphoe Sri Boonruang The lively festival is held annually on the fullmoon day of May at the field of Amphoe Sri Boonruang. Rocket in huge size, or Bang Fai Lan, will be decorated before launching high into the sky. The local festival of Sri Boonruang is one of 12 festivals of Northeastern Region. The rocket is assumed as the present for Phaya Thaen, the god who will make the rain for rice plantation. Banana Fair The fair is held between July 25-27 at Ban Suan Sawan, Tambon Wangthong, Amphoe Na Wang. Tiew Hoi Hin-Kin Lam Yai Festival The festival is held every Auguest 8-15 at community outlet of Ban Huay Dua, Amphoe Muang. Namtok Thao To Festival The annual festival is held very September 14-15 at Namtok Thao To Park, Amphoe Muang. Local products and souvenirs Ban Kong Sawan Pottery Village หมู่บ้านหัตถกรรมปั้นหม้อบ้านโค้งสวรรค์ The vaillage is famed for its terra cotta products by traditional method which are available around the village and by the road. The village is located in Tambon None Tan, 17 kilometres from Nongbua Lampu City via highway 210. Calathea Rice container (กระติ้บข้าวจากคล้า) The village of Ban Huak, Tambon Sri Boonruang, Amphoe Sri Boonruang is famous for the race container weaved from calathea. Some 95% of the villagers thrive on this handicraft which mirrors their wisdom to benefit from natural material. How to get there: Use highway 228 (Nongbua Lampu-Sri Boonruang), then use Sri Boonruang-Phu Wiang Road ( Ban Huay Huak-Na Fai). The village is located on kilometres 8, some 35 kilometres from Nongbua Lampu City. Kud Hae Silk (ผ้าไหมกุดแห���) Silk cloth weaved by Lady Group of Tambon Kud Hae, Amphoe Na Klang is quite famous and won many national awards. Silk products from this group are 5-star product of Isan. The Silk cloth is available in various patterns. The group is led by Mrs Lamduan Nantasutha, for more information, call 0-7219-8231. How to get there: From Nongbua Lampu City, go to Amphoe Na Klang 35 kilometres away, then head to Ban Dan for two kilometres and turn right to Ban Kud Hae, 3 kilometres away.

Itinerary
Recommended Tour Programme

Morning

 * Visit monument and shrine of King Naresuan the Great.

 * Pay homage to Chao Pu Loop Shrine and enjoy waterfall at Namtok Huay To Botanical Park
 * Visit the Shell Fossil Museum and dinosaur fossils.

Afternoon

 * Go to Wat Tham Klong Pen and visit the utensils museum and wax statue of Luang Pu Khao Analyo
 * Enjoy shopping for terra cotta at Ban Khong Sawan Pottery Village
 * Admire rock formation in Tham Erawan in Amphoe Na Wang
 * Get back to Nongbua Lampu.

Amphoe Muang Nong Bua Lamphu

 * Kinnaree Resort 274 Nongbua Lampu-Udon Thani Road. Tel 0-4236-0091, 19 rooms 500 baht.
 * Chokwiwat 290 Moo 5 Ban Wangnamkhao tel. 0-1739-7560, 13 rooms 300 baht.
 * Nattaphong Grand 339 Nongbua Lampu-Udon Thani Road Tambon Lampu Tel. 0-4236-1014, 0-9577-1240, 14 rooms 300-400 baht.
 * VIP Inn Ban Wang Muen Nongbua Lampu-Sri Boonruang Road. Tel. 0-4236-1122 30 rooms 200-800 baht.

Amphoe Muang Nong Bua Lamphu

 * Krua Nongsa, on highway 210 tel. 0-4231-1574
 * Pan Bua 31 Damrong Burana Road Tel 0-4231-1704
 * Kinnaree Restaurant 274 Nongbua Lampu-Udon Thani Road Tel. 0-4231-1537 (Thai and local cuisine)
 * Carrot Restaurant 95 BanHad Sawan Tel. 0-4231-1949.
 * Rot Thip Restaurant 80 Naresuan Road tel. 0-4231-1372

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 20:02, 6 February 2010 (EST)

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Map
A map would be very nice...

 * Yes, it would. Draw one! (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:15, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

 * It would be amazing.

TAT Listings
I moved the TAT clutter from the Nong Khai Province page to Talk:Nong Khai/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 20:13, 6 February 2010 (EST)

Note to User:203.163.103.14 re: abbreviations
From the WV Manual of Style: "we have a mild preference for separating the number from its associated unit by a single space, but: Don't go wild copy editing different formatting (unless you're seriously underemployed) To avoid the unit of measurement that "belongs" to a measurement being "orphaned" from its associated unit when it wraps to a following line, separate the pair with a non breaking space character " " rather than a simple space, eg: "4500 km" will display 4500 km. You can also use the template nowrap to achieve the same, eg: 4500 km". Some, myself included, find that adding "&nbsp" to be a major pain. But we do not like orphaned units either. So the move seems to be to go to the format "xxkm", no space. Seligne (talk) 10:46, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Note to User:Seligne re: abbreviations
From the WV Manual of Style: "preference for separating the number from its associated unit by a single space". Also, this is accepted convention: So, the format "xxkm", no space is against convention.
 * "A space is left between the numerical value and unit symbol (25 kg, but not 25-kg or 25kg)." (ref.: http://www.npl.co.uk/reference/measurement-units/si-conventions/)
 * "There is a space between the numerical value and unit symbol, even when the value is used in an adjectival sense, except in the case of superscript units for plane angle." (ref.: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/checklist.html)
 * "Always put a space between the number and unit, e.g., 203.65 m, 457 um" (ref.: http://abacus.bates.edu/~ganderso/biology/resources/writing/HTWabbr.html)
 * "When we write the value of measurement, we always leave a space between the number and the unit." (ref.: 'Chemistry: Matter and Its Changes.' J.E.Brady & F.Senese. Wiley & Sons. 5th edition. 2008)

phone number question
For Sleep entry E-San Guesthouse, what does the toll-free entry  LINE id: Utcc43F mean? How should it be dialled? --Traveler100 (talk) 07:28, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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