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User talk:Jpatokal/2009

Script nomination on ja:
Hello Jani-san,

I'm going to use pywikipedia on the Japanese version of WT with modification; e.g. adding "/Run" pages check. Today, I submitted a request for bot approval to ja:Project:スクリプト登録依頼. Would you approve it? -- (WT-en) Tatata 11:47, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Dear Mr. Patokaillo
it's obvious you have a lot vested in the site. you've written a couple of guidebooks and you spend A LOT of time on it. but the bottom line is, whatever you write on it is free for anyone to edit or replace if they are offering an updated or better version without getting hassled on it for really no apparent reason other than...what...a wounded ego? of all people, bureacrats (a befitting title) which you are one should be more aware of this than anyone []. i will continue to go on editing your or anyone else's work if need be and if you want to nip at my heels for some personal reason I find childish, then do as you wish. it is just unfortunate how you're turning a very good and earnest idea (Wikivoyage) into something annoying and tedious. (WT-en) Paula 00:11, 6 January 2009 (EST)

WTP template
Doesn't seem to be working? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:52, 7 January 2009 (EST)

 * Nevermind, brain hiccup. I have the right sidebar turned off in my preferences. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:26, 7 January 2009 (EST)

Blocks
Jani, I did not block EE in regards to his behavior on his talk page. I did so in regards to his edit warring, adding abusive comments on my talk page. Unblocking him was innapropriate. This case has been discussed here, and it would be better to discuss it there than to override me for following that procedure well within the bounds of what we were discussing. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:12, 7 January 2009 (EST)

 * And actually, so was unprotecting. As far as I know, what I did was perfectly within the bounds of our current policy, if perhaps not explicitly sanctioned by it. Discussing first would have been a better way to deal with this disagreement. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:27, 7 January 2009 (EST)

 * One thing that is not explained and I want you Peter to explain it - how am I being abusive? The only reason why I 'edit war' is because you won't even give me the time of day and that really makes me mad.  (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee]  .T.A.L.K. 21:20, 7 January 2009 (EST)/

Feedback Appreciated
Wow, I am flattered to be nominated. As for Colorado's Wine Country and the "purple prose," please feel free to get out the hedge clippers and trim away my excesses. Sometimes, its hard to see the edits after staring at the screen for so long, reading and rereading. If there's anything else you'd like to see added or fleshed out about the area, I can work on it so that the article doesn't end up in the slush pile. I will hunt down some maps next. (WT-en) WineCountryInn 23:20, 8 January 2009 (EST) Talk

Winery Placement
Hi Jani. I'm keeping abreast of the discussion about the article nomination, and would like to weigh in on the placement of the wineries. I'd rather see them listed in Colorado's Wine Country than in the break downs for individual wine communities. Won't this help the article in its comprehensiveness and further it on its way to becoming a star? Other developments: I have a map on the way from the Palisade CofC, and should have a jpeg (and permission) by Monday for submission. The other cities under Wine Regions will take a little bit of time to flesh out. (WT-en) WineCountryInn 15:47, 9 January 2009 (EST) Talk

 * Hi Jani. The map is now up at Colorado's Wine Country. (WT-en) WineCountryInn 19:30, 11 January 2009 (EST) Talk

Listing editor on zh
Hello Jani-san,

Someone has started hotel listing on the Chinese version of WT.

I think it's nice to enable the listing editor to be working on the version. If I was admin there, I could set it up myself. Would you set it up, or just flip my sysop flag? -- (WT-en) Tatata 02:05, 9 January 2009 (EST)

Thanks
Dear Jani-san,

Could you please check the redirect page I created for any problems? I am new to creating disambiguation pages. thanks (WT-en) Sulfis 07:11, 10 January 2009 (EST)

Welcoming
''Psst: {subst:welcome} is the easy automated way to welcome people. Jpatokal''
 * HAHA - thanks for the subtle reminder. Due to a heavy work load, it has been some time since I had the opportunity to welcome anyone. I'd forgotten about the auto welcome. Cheers. (WT-en) WindHorse 12:34, 12 January 2009 (EST)

Africa
Thanks for reverting this edit. I looked at that edit this morning and somehow convinced myself that it updated the regions to correctly match the map and marked it as patrolled - my bad. Apparently I need to start drinking stronger coffee... -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:49, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Bad mood?
What's this all about?: ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT? DOES WIKITRAVEL LOOK LIKE A BITCH? Is this not your first interaction with this user? (WT-en) Texugo 00:45, 17 January 2009 (EST)

 * Sorry to jump in - I suspect it's a Pulp Fiction quote that, taken out of context, looks unbelievably harsh. Given the edit that was reverted it's quite funny if you get the reference, but given the fact that many people won't recognize it is something that probably requires explanation. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:35, 17 January 2009 (EST)

 * Yup. Also, the India page goes to extraordinary lengths (take a look at the source!) to tell people not to change it without discussion... (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:06, 17 January 2009 (EST)

 * I'd just like to note that we don't like to be fucked by anyone but Mrs Wallace, and I'm pretty sure she hasn't even been to Ind ia -ochina – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 12:57, 17 January 2009 (EST)

 * LOL! (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:03, 18 January 2009 (EST)

Questions
Mind giving a comment over here: Talk:Tokyo ?--(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 22:48, 26 January 2009 (EST)

Do you have Scandinavia watchlisted? anyway, thanks for time and time again correcting my English, hope it's not too much trouble :) --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 08:17, 28 January 2009 (EST)

hey
Remember I mentioned in the Saudi Arabia talk page that I said Pokemon is banned in Saudi Arabia. Well this based of these articles (there was also a CNN article, but it was removed):

And what gives on removing that gay part in Zimbabwe, I'm warning travelers not to go there since it is illegal there and chances are gays and lesbians may get beaten up.

Also, a month ago, I added a tip for gay and lesbian travelers in the China article, since you been to China, I was wondering if can full confirm this:

''China is relatively safe for gay and lesbian travelers, as China has no laws against homosexuality. However, the government currently does not recognize same-sex relationships, and homosexual related contents in the media are often censored or banned in China (the controversial film, Brokeback Mountain, is banned in China because of this). Homosexuality is still taboo in China and many Chinese would not like discuss homosexual related topics. Regardless, violence against gays and lesbians are relatively rare. '' --(WT-en) Dark Paladin X 23:59, 27 January 2009 (EST)

User:Edmontonenthusiast is back
Just a heads up. User:(WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast has snuck in and altered his disclaimer box. (WT-en) WineCountryInn 15:08, 30 January 2009 (EST)

 * Yeah, I noticed, personally i think we should leave it, and avoid stirring up anything - it's so nice and peacefull at the moment :) --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 16:38, 30 January 2009 (EST)

 * Too late. I reverted it before you even commented. (WT-en) Texugo 23:13, 30 January 2009 (EST)

 * I would not panic about it. The reversion is justified because only Logged On Users should be editing their own user pages. It is quite appropriate to revert the page, and possibly appropriate to ban the IP for the rest of the duration of the user ban too! Guilty until proven innocent, in this case, I say. Perhaps we should consider this to be included in any user ban policy too. In any case he did promise not to edit - for a month. - (WT-en) Huttite 23:24, 30 January 2009 (EST)

Pullman Hotel
Hi Jpatokal,

Yes, I removed this hotel because it is not even remotely close to the Sukhumvit Road area. I did add a note explaining this in the Discussion area of the Sukhumvit article, in which I also mentioned that I added two other 5 star hotels along Sukhumvit Road which were missing from the article, plus removed one other - The Amari Watergate - which is also not in the Sukhumvit area. (WT-en) Dantilley 22:59, 1 February 2009 (EST)

Small bit of help required
Hi,

I made a mistake I'm wondering if you can help me to rectify. I meant to add a new section in the shopping area of Bangkok/Silom for "Malls" but when I tried to do this, it just added a small bullet point in the main shopping intro area. Without any obvious way to undo this, the nearest way I could find to delete this was to delete the text in the bullet point - but this didn't quite work, and so now there's a stray bullet point left hanging above the "Markets" heading! How can this be removed?

Incidentally, what I was doing (and still intend to do) was to add a new section on Malls to include The Silom Complex, Central Silom and The Thanyia Center. The former of that list would be moved from it's current location in "Stores".

Thanks! (WT-en) Dantilley 23:59, 4 February 2009 (EST)

 * Purging the cache fixed it. (WT-en) Texugo 00:05, 5 February 2009 (EST)

open id
Do you know anything about this? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 18:58, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Layover in SIN city
Jani,

LH/SQ changed my flight and therefore I now arrive with some buggers in early March at 6 AM in SIN. Do you have a tip for a nice breakfast place in town to chill a bit (nice view)? Thanks in advance and have a good time in Laos. (WT-en) jan 14:22, 18 February 2009 (EST)

 * Jani, i didn't expected to see you in Changi at 6 AM ;-) I stay from 7th March 6AM until 8th March afternoon in Singapore with mum & sis to meet Singapore National Parks @ Fort Canning Rise. They open from 9AM onwards and the sunrice restaurant their opens at the same time. A mixture of Western & Asian food would be great to get a taste and not always the same hotel breakfast sausages... If you are in town it would be great to have a drink in the evening. (WT-en) jan 05:10, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Hamamatsu
Please see my response at Talk:Hamamatsu. Thanks. (WT-en) Texugo 22:23, 19 February 2009 (EST)

wts:Multilingual statistics
Hello! The multilingual statistics on shared is not udated last friday. -- (WT-en) Sergey kudryavtsev 12:54, 1 March 2009 (EST)

Zhuhai
Care to comment on this? Talk:Zhuhai or whether it is now near guide, or DotM candidate? (WT-en) Pashley 23:38, 11 March 2009 (EDT)

ISRAEL
Please do not remove changes that were already talked about. Look at the discussion page before you edit. the proposal to change the regions in israel was up for disccusion for over 2 weeks, and was also posted on the pub discussions to make sure no one objects to this change. As no one objected to update and improve this value, i see no reason to delete things. If you have any objections, please use the discussion page?

i'm sorry to say, but your behavior is a bit rude. the subject was brought up in a public disccussion on the ISRAEL value page, and also posted on the public disscussions. i asked for any objections. i cannot make people comment. no one objected for over a week, and therefore, i changed it. this is the way wiki works, people change and improve values, they do not need your personal consent, its ment for everyone to edit, as long as the information is true and valuable. and as i said, i've also posted it in public a long time before i edited, to make sure no problems like this will occur. if you had or have any problems with my edits, you could and can use the disscussion page. you did not, instead you simpley delete everything. you didn't bother to disscuss it with anyone but yourself and you didn't even had any objection to the actual text. i doubt thats considered working under the rules of wiki, and i doubt its contributing to the wikivoyage. i ask you again to stop discouraging people from editing, especually after it was done properly.

i don't know why, but you seem to ignore the fact that there is no objection ! you offer to open this for debate on the discussion page of Israel... i already did it 2 weeks ago. as you said yourself, if there are any objections, there should be a discussion about it first before the edit. that is why i opened it for discussion prior to editing. no one objected, no one objects now either. if it was opened up for discussion and no one decided to object, you cannot claim that its a debated topic that needs a consensus. therefore, i see no reason to remove the improvement. either everyone so far agree with the change, or no one cares. either way - this topic is not disputed.

and furthermore, i agree, lets not turn it into a you-VS-me, think about what contributes to wikivoyage most and please do not delete an edit that wasn't disputed and didn't get any objections even when it was posted publicly on the discussion page 2 weeks prior to the actual editing. this is exacly what u offered - it was already done, and apperantly, the new edit is a consensus.

of course. thats why i opened it up for discussion prior to the edit, to make sure no one have any strong objections towards it. but please, only if they object to the actual change in the array of regions and for a reasonable reason !! not if another person simpley objects the idea of change in fear that it might not be a consensus, without even addressing the actual information that was changed. on a personal note, i don't understand why you seem very eagered to delete this new version instead of helping to improve this value. If you wish to keep this value under the consensus lines (as do I), it doesn't mean you can't support an improvment and helping it pass, as long as it provides true and accurate data and doesn't offend anyone (and so far, it doesn't). its a bit redicoules that after i made sure no one has any objections, you wish to delete it claming that its not a consensus because no one argued with me about it on the discussion page. also, your "request for comments" was more of a pointless slander. if you have any problem with the devision or graphical design, you can imrpove it instead of deleting. thats how wiki gets better. Also, if you expect to have an orgenized county devision in the ISRAEL value like in other countries, you probably don't know Israel well then. Israel isn't devided into clear official devisions. NO region in israel has a 100% clear geographical border, there are many diffrent devisions of the regions, and all of them overlaps each other. That is how Israel is built, if you prefer the orgenized european or chinese methods, i suggest you'll skip Israel in your travels, or send an anrgy letter to the Israeli government?

"Offbeat Guides"
Hmm. Hadn't noticed that before. It seems WTP is no longer the only company that offers published guides based on Wikivoyage content — just the only one that does so competently, sells them at a reasonable price, and takes the terms of its license seriously. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 00:32, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

April Fool's Day
Say, I saw that you did the You article for last year's April Fools Day, so I figured you would be the one to ask this: Is there already an effort underway for this year's April Fool's article? Cause if there isn't, I'd certainly like to start it up. I just want to make sure I'm not stepping on anyone's toes. :-) (WT-en) PerryPlanet Talk 18:17, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

 * I don't think there's been any talk so far, feel free to start something up if you have an idea :) – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 13:55, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

Damascus
Hi. I actually deleted those listings on purpose because they didn't have a phone number or address. Would you be able to put that information in?

I've tried looking them up and couldnt find any other information, which is why I deleted those listings. Maybe you'll have better luck!

Samara
I'm not sure about that Samara move, I would have no objects if there wasn't already a Samara, but there is, and having just a accented á to distinguish the two, doesn't really seem right to me. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 22:19, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Changes
Thank you for your comments. I only changed the spellings from British English to American English because I wanted to follow the wikivoyage style manual as closely as possible.

I will be sure to follow your advice about the currency listings and temperature measurements. I apologize for deleting the section headers; I didn't think it was visually appealing to have a bunch of empty sections. But I understand that people will want to fill it in if they see that it is empty.

From now on, I will be sure to explain my changes in the discussion sections of the city.

Cricket in India
Test matches are always international. And ODIs are One Day Internationals, different from test matches. ODIs are 50 ovs per innings, test matches are 5 day 2 innings a side (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 10:29, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

 * yeah, you're right, people outside the 10 cricket playing nations won't have a clue. I merely wanted to draw your attention to the fact that you had deleted the ODI reference. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 07:15, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

 * Er, I'm a little confused. Do we write the cricket section assuming that people who come to watch cricket follow it? Or do we explain stuff in detail, so that everyone can follow the cricket section of the travel guide. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 07:15, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

 * Yup, you're right, but cricket is probably the most confusing sport in the world, and unless you've grown up with it all your life, it's nearly impossible to follow. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 07:42, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

Collapsible Listings
Some of us have been discussing the use of collapsible listings as a solution to the issue of long consulate/embassy lists. When investigating how to make a template for this, I saw that you had already taken a stab at it. First, I'd like to invite your input in the discussion above. Second, what's the status of this template? Do you think it's possible to make it work on WT? Are there other ways of achieving this? I noticed that the Metadata Tables for images already incorporate a collapsible component, but I haven't found the code for it yet. Thanks. --(WT-en) Jtesla16 21:15, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Complaint about editing
You complained that I did not make a note as to why I removed Chez Bernard Restaurant from the Ulaanbaatar page. If you will check the history for that page, you will see my note.(WT-en) jstampfl 21:34, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

Your Photos
I have been keeping an eye on the shared photo gallery for some time. I must say your photo skills are maturing and your eye is getting better. Some of my favorite photos in the site are yours. I must say, I am jealous of your youth and ability to travel. It is a rare privilege for one to wander as much as it seems you do. In the end, it will make you much wiser than the average bear. (WT-en) 2old 10:54, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

Top Level Tour
Dear Jpatokal, Please help me! I edited Guilin and Yangshuo sections according the rules of wikivoyage. And do give the right contact information of certain services which have no booking information. They are ALL CORRECT CONTACT INFORMATION NOT SPAM! I don't know why people detele my work and even block my friend's site link. As for the warn, I didn't get the message until this morning.

Please give me specific reasons not show me some links to some pages because I already wiki business pages many times these days.

Thank you! Lily

 * → Don't tout. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:27, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

Thank you very much, Jpatokal. eventually I found the problems in the pages which you left me. What should I do now if I want to put back the agency's link? I can delete all the other irrevlent information which I edited before by myself and I will help you guys to clean wikivoyage in the future. Please help me get of out it. Thank you!

Jpatokal, please help the site get out of the block list because it hurts the search engine rank badly. I promise I will regiest an account and delete other irrevlent information which I edited before and then put other things in order according to wikivoyage rules. Thank you! Lily

Thanks for stopping him
Some actions of some people make me want for some more buttons over here to. --(WT-en) Rein N. 09:33, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

Tatatabot
Thank you for the message on my ja: talk page. I did a test run on en: to confirm /Run page checking function. The test run itself was done successfully, but I could see its log on Special:Recentchanges without clicking "Show bots" button. Would you flip the bot flag for User:(WT-en) Tatatabot? Thanks. -- (WT-en) Tatata 13:11, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

 * The bot started working on en:. Thank you! -- (WT-en) Tatata 22:11, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

Hi Jani-san, I applied for bot flags at shared. I would appreciate it if you support me in bot flags of shared and the remaining 9 language versions. Can you take a look at wts:Script nominations? Thanks. -- (WT-en) Tatata 06:53, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

Admin switch
User:(WT-en) Dguillaime is ready to have his new buttons. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:38, 13 May 2009 (EDT)

Multilingual statistics
They didn't update today, if I'm not mistaken. --(WT-en) Rein N. 05:13, 15 May 2009 (EDT)

Tokyo Disney Resort Map
Your map of Tokyo Disney Resort is flawed. Not only is it geographically inaccurate, it is also outdated, as it does not show the Tokyo Disneyland Hotel or the Cirque du Soleil Theatre. I suggest you either create a new map or import this one from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Map_of_Tokyo_Disney_Resort_(English).jpg (WT-en) Jonathan 784 12:03, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

Kyoto Districts
I've added a couple of notes to Talk:Kyoto on the matter of moving to district sub-pages. Please let me know what you think. For my part, I think the main article is getting too long and unwieldy for its own good; it's probably time we spun off at least a couple of districts (to start) in order to improve readability. (Full disclosure: I'm posting this same message on the Talk pages of other users who have actively participated on Talk:Kyoto in the past.  No spamming intended.)  --(WT-en) Diego de Manila 21:10, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

Help.
Since I have exhausted my limited travel experience contributions to wikivoyage, I recently found this new Wiki started in October 08. They have few contributors at this time, but due to the topic, I expect they will grow fairly fast. I volunteered to be an Administrator, more like janitor. However, I do have some good things to contribute there. They are plagued by the dreaded spambot. Is blocking them the only solution, or do you have magic cure you could share with me? A while back I suggested you save some coins from your trips in Mylar flips, to avoid scratches. The sponsor of this wiki is PCGS. I can tell you, it does not get any better than them when it comes to grading and encapsulating coins. If you have saved any World Coins, I am sure they would appreciate the images. Stop by for a visit, Likely I will be making you feel right at home. Any comments would be appreciated. It is all about money. (WT-en) 2old 12:46, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
 * If you're an admin, block the spambots (I assume spambots are not permitted per policy on the wiki). Looks like many of the edits are repeat offenders. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:48, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
 * I have just agreed to this and it is my first priority. My magic buttons are not working yet, but please visit and thank you. (WT-en) 2old 15:17, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
 * Jeez. Looks like you have your work cut out for you. You may want to automate the removal of urls containing the offending terms, some of which are fairly obviously not so nice. --(WT-en) Wandering 23:24, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

Nominations for bureaucrat
Hi Jani-san, I nominated myself for bureaucrat of Esperanto version and Chinese version. I would appreciate it if you support me in the nominations. Can you take a look at wts:Project:Administrator nominations? Thank you. -- (WT-en) Tatata 23:20, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

 * Thank you for your support on the nominations. Would you flip sysop and bureaucrat flags for zh:User:(WT-zh) Tatata? -- (WT-en) Tatata 02:21, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

 * Wow, very quick action. Thank you so much!
 * Incidentally, I would appreciate it if you advise me on wts:Project:Travellers' pub, especially #2. That change requires some effort by admins of language versions, since "Upload file" button will always be disabled on language versions which don't have MediaWiki:Licenses — Finnish version, for example. -- (WT-en) Tatata 05:25, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

Singapore/East Coast edit
Yes, I agree. I can only blame the fact that I couldn't find my glasses this morning. It wasn't whnt I intended by that edit. I do intend to get rid of the tastefully decorated part though, as I believe it has descended to the point of being an entirely meaningless and clichéd phrase when used by wikivoyagers, and way way overused by touts. I'll fix. --(WT-en) inas 22:07, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
 * I found them again, in case you were getting concerned..   --(WT-en) inas 02:15, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

FF
Once you reach a certain # of FF miles, do they just give you your own private jet? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 12:41, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

Shikoku map
I had omitted Awaji Island because it's in Hyogo and doesn't have a rail link, but I suppose a piece of it should appear off the coast of Naruto. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 01:01, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

 * Fine onions are now accessible from Shikoku. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 02:12, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

Yen to Dollar Value
I had deleted the dollar value in the "Buy" after remembering many things previously deleted because they made the site too centered around the United States, so I was just wondering if listing the exchange rate against the dollar (especially when it's fluctuated a lot over the past year) should be there? (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 15:53, 13 June 2009 (EDT)

Hong Kong
Sorry, I'm new at wikivoyage and not sure how to send notes to other users. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to type on the top of here like this. ANyways, I didn't mean to delete mentioning of youth hostels. I just didn't know how it fits into a discussion of guesthouses since guesthouses and youth hostels are very different things. I'm glad you restored it though. --(WT-en) UCLARodent 04:59, 16 June 2009 (EDT) —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) UCLARodent (talk • contribs)

Daisen vs. Mount Daisen
I'm not sure where to ask this, but you are familiar with these things, so I figured I'd ask you: I was thinking about starting a page for Daisen city however, I know that Wikivoyage likes to list mountains as travel destinations, so Mount Daisen should have a page... Most of the things that I have seen listed to do in the city are on or related to the mountain, so I was wondering if there was a rule with that. More specifically: If I start a page, should I create a page for the mountain or the city or should they both have a page (knowing that the pages would likely be nearly identical)? Sorry if that's a dumb question, but if I start a page, I know it's best to create the page that will be used. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 22:07, 16 June 2009 (EDT)
 * Thanks for the suggestion! I guess I'll make it a city page then! (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 22:40, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

Follow-up question regarding placement of car parking articles
Hello again...Thank you for your suggestion on the placement of my car park articles. In looking at the different "(city)#By plane" sections, it appears that these are for travellers who are arriving at the specified airport, whereas car park information is almost exclusively going to be useful only to departing travellers. This makes me think that there must be a better place to put them, or that there might be a benefit in creating a category for car park information at airports around the world. What do you think? Or can you suggest someplace that might be more appropriate for this information? Thanks again. :-)

(WT-en) Stefanchou 07:35, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

Guanzihling
I was actually looking through the "usable status" articles in hopes of finding some that may be worthy of guide status. With Guanzihling, there were a few things that made it seem like an outline: there is only one listing (albeit an interesting one) in "See", the "Do" listing is somewhat of a nameless description of what is there (also only one), One "Sleep" and "Buy" listing, and nothing in the "Drink" or "Get out" sections (although the "Get out" section tends to be less important and probably easy to remedy). I won't lie and say that I have any knowledge of this destination, so if it is the sort of place that is so remote that what is listed is representative enough to call it "usable", then feel free to revert the status change.

In previous browses, I was able to find a few to upgrade and very few to move down. Today I wasn't so lucky and I only moved some down (as is typical, most were left the same, and I generally try not to move them downward). If you think this site (or any really) should not be changed, I won't argue if you decide to restore the usable tag. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 02:47, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

Tokyo Disney Resort map (again)
Check out this map of Tokyo Disney Resort: http://shared.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Image:JP_Map_of_Tokyo_Disney_Resort.png

This would work, but it is, unfortunately, not up to date: it does not show the Tokyo Disneyland Hotel or the Cirque du Soleil theater.

(WT-en) Jonathan 784 20:40, 8 July 2009 (EDT)

Okayama
I like that new lead photo! (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 23:42, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Me too! But thank Tatata, he's the one that dug it up. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:43, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Somehow I figured someone would dislike it, but I guess I had to post it to find out. I responded to the discussion. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 03:25, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

Iya Valley
Do you have an SVG for your Iya Valley map? I'd like to give it a makeover in the current WT map style for print. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 14:36, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Sure, that's easily done. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 00:08, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

"An astonishing number of them are firmly convinced..."
So very, very true. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 18:40, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

Wikivoyage Tr
We will finished Wikivoyage Tr project.How open Wikivoyage Tr internet page?

(WT-en) hasan_travel 11:07, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

Turkish Wikivoyage
why not open turkish wikivoyage page?and why deleted?

(WT-en) Hasan 10:02, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

 * → User talk:(WT-en) Hasan travel !!! (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:20, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

Volkovbot
Moi!

Suomenkielisessä versiossa joku uusi botti, Volkovbot, josta en ole kuullut aikaisemmin on tehnyt pari muutosta (ei kuitenkaan mitään vandalisointia). Ajattelin vain kertoa kun en löydä mitään tietoa siitä tästä englanninkielisestä versiostakaan. Samanniminen botti löytyy kuitenkin WikiPEDIAsta. Saako botteja lisätä ihan miten tahansa?

In English, if somebody else is interested: there is a new bot, Volkovbot, in the Finnish Wikivoyage. Can't find any information whatsoever about it neither there nor in this English version, however there is a bot in WikiPEDIA with the same name. (WT-en) Ypsilon 03:21, 18 August 2009 (EDT)

Map Licensing
Many thanks your message. I have explained the situation re the licensing of the map in question on the article discussion page here: http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Nusa_Lembongan. Thanks again. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:34, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

Bali, Uluwatu
Jani please see proposal for renaming this article here: Talk:Uluwatu. It really should not be called Uluwatu which refers to a small village and temple only. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 08:17, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

Thanks for the kind words. The Bali articles require so much work and it gets more harrowing every time I look. I have though at least made a start. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:53, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

Mustamakkara
Hei, just for information: I put a copy of your picture to Kiitos! Stefan --80.186.191.57 14:42, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

Thanks for your help
I am posting this here instead of the article's discussion page because it is only indirectly related to the page itself. Thanks for your help on the St Jean Pied De Port page. I am new to wikivoyage, and still learning all of the in's and outs and conventions, and I appreciate you helping to fix my mistakes. Let me know if you have any tips or guidance! Thanks, LBP.

Link on Nusa_Lembongan page
Discussion moved to Talk:Nusa Lembongan

Tochigi
As I was working on finishing the Kanto area cherry blossom sites, I noticed that one of the destinations was in Tochigi City, but our current Tochigi article covers the prefecture. Would it be okay if I transferred the Tochigi to Tochigi (prefecture) like the other prefectures and then made our current Tochigi article into the city's article? Perhaps this is simple enough that permission is not necessary, but I do like to consult others about these sorts of changes. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 00:08, 24 September 2009 (EDT)

The manager selection of the Japanese edition
Please give an opinion now because I select a manager with a Japanese edition.--219.178.120.22 17:53, 24 September 2009 (EDT)

Style Tip
Many thanks for that. It is a new one on me and I will certainly take it on board. I have created a lot of redirects and will work through each of them methodically and embolden as you suggest. Cheers.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 08:34, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

ja:管理者の選考
現在日本語版で2人のウィキトラベラーに対する管理者の選考を実施中ですので、日本語版管理者の一人として、ぜひ投票をお願いします. --(WT-en) Shoestring 10:58, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

Lombok
Jani, User:(WT-en) Felix505 seems to constantly ignore the recommendations User Burmeseday, you and I had asked him. He is still dumping the article with ext. links and duplicates extremely heavy. Could you stop him for an hour or so that he has to to read the messages. The article is pretty much damaged... (WT-en) jan 11:18, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

 * User:Felix 505 under the anonymus IP 125.167.150.126 is now entering repetitions in the Senggigi article. The user has not responded to any if our messages and simply works on... Peter blocked the main Lombok article for 40 Minutes but that only changed the users attention on the sub articles on this island. (WT-en) jan 03:59, 8 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Some of those edits are actually very good and I strongly suspect we have two users on the same IP (it is a non specific Telkom Speedy IP, could be an internet cafe). I will try and give you a hand over in that article Jan. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 04:49, 8 October 2009 (EDT)

Coimbatore
Jani, a notorious spammer is back on the Coimbatore article. Could you please block the page again as Sertmann, Peter, Ryan and other admins had done in the last week? Thanks, (WT-en) jan 07:41, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Thank you for the block, could you please undo the bycall taxi section so that the spam is out and the get out section is back again? When I'm admin I promise to do it by myself;-) Coimbatore seems to be a hot place... Thanks, (WT-en) jan 09:25, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

Jani, I do not want to be your pain in the arse but I have seen several users that are spambots like User talk:(WT-en) Cdcd. Can I delete them when I become admin one day or do I have to nominate them for deletion? (WT-en) jan 11:15, 24 October 2009 (EDT)

Tokyo CotM
Since Tokyo is up for next month, I thought it would be a good idea to get an update on whether or not its ready:. If it's not ready, it would be nice if you would comment and perhaps Bangkok could be moved up. I'd hate to make Tokyo CotM if you still felt that there was prep work to be done. Thanks! (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 02:04, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Upgrade refusal
→ wts:User talk:(WV-wts) Stephen_sommerhalter - he's generally just using it as a way to get his contributions removed, since he does not feel Wikivoyage gives enough attribution. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 02:43, 1 November 2009 (EST)

Hammaslahti
I'd be inclined to merge & redirect this, since nothing links to to & it is a district of an undistricted city. However, I do not know the area, so I figured I'd ask you. (WT-en) Pashley 08:16, 3 November 2009 (EST)

Admin nom
Please comment on Sabino434's nomination. Thanks. -- 94.75.123.43 14:59, 5 November 2009 (EST)

Bleedin' Obvious..
Yes, nice start. I think at some stage we need to address the flip side, and have an article Project:How to make a quick and valuable contribution to Wikivoyage in 5 minutes to our tips for new contributors, with five concrete suggestions of what you valuable content anyone could add with five spare minutes, while avoiding the 5 most common worthless pieces of information. I think WT is different to WP, in that just about everybody could have at least one valuable thing to to our guide in 5 minutes. Yes, I'm in Sydney. --(WT-en) inas 17:20, 23 November 2009 (EST)

Cambodia Regions
When you have a moment please look at the Cambodia talk page where I have suggested a change to the proposed regional structure. I have drawn a map which is well developed but we need to resolve what I think was perhaps an over-complication of the regions before I polish it off. Cheers. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 06:17, 26 November 2009 (EST)

Project:Administrator_nominations
Hi Jani - it's been more than 14 days, so could you flip the bits on this admin nomination? Thanks! -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:11, 14 December 2009 (EST)

title: User talk:Jpatokal/2009


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User talk:Jpatokal/Main Page

COTW?
The COTW seems to be missing from this new page. -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:26, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

 * COTW is currently in the "Project" section of the main page, which Evan was interested in splitting off into its own page. It (and the rest of what's currently on the main page) could be tacked onto the bottom of this for now. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 14:58, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

 * This page looks really good. I agree that we should probably try to add in the COTW or most people wouldn't notice it, plus a prominent link to the new project page. -- (WT-en) DanielC 16:34, 28 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Project page draft now at User:(WT-en) Jpatokal/Project. (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:02, 30 April 2006 (EDT)

Design
For the record, I like this better than the mock-up I did on Project:Graffiti wall. But some of the embedded CSS on the Main Page (and this) is heinous. :) - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:08, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

The World
So, our geographic hierarchy is rooted at the continent level, and gets kind of fuzzy there. Would it be nutso-crazy-bonkers to move the Main Page to the World, and have that be the default travel guide entry page? --(WT-en) Evan 11:49, 28 April 2006 (EDT)
 * That's a hot idea. (WT-en) Majnoona 12:14, 28 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Sounds good to me. The only semantic quibble is that can we say that Space isIn World? (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:02, 30 April 2006 (EDT)
 * All current (and plausible in the next several decades) forms of space tourism are still gravitationally bound to the planet, so that's arguably still part of the World. We just can't say that Outer Space IsIn World. :) - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 08:40, 30 April 2006 (EDT)
 * "World" is itself kindof fuzzy, being that it's a generic term, and thus a moveable framework, think "Continent". What about using Earth which has otherwise been long-since relegated to homages to Duglas Adams?  That's a lot more specific, and allows for future growth.  Remember those Cobol programmers who were sure their work would be superceded before the year 2000.
 * It works in translation too: Terre, 地球, etc. -- (WT-en) Mark 10:45, 30 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Actually, using "Earth" for the main page would paint us into a corner more quickly, because I'm sure that word will never refer to anything more than just this wet rock we're on. But the meaning of "world" will probably continue to evolve, encompassing geosynchronous orbit, and the entire Earth-Luna system, as those also become "part of our world", so to speak.  Words such as "Mundo", "Monde", "Welt", etc. are good all-inclusive analogs in other languages. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 16:10, 30 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Then we should also have pages called Continent, Country, and City if we're going to start having generic geographical unit pages. -- (WT-en) Mark 16:17, 30 April 2006 (EDT)
 * The root is supposed to be generic. There's only one: that's the point. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 16:45, 30 April 2006 (EDT)
 * I was just pointing out that it's inconsistent. It doesn't have to be consistent after all, it's just that we've preferred consistency wherever possible in the past, so I thought I should point this out. -- (WT-en) Mark 17:47, 30 April 2006 (EDT)

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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User talk:Jpatokal/post.py

post.py is a Pywikipediabot script for automated uploading of skeleton articles.

Installation
This script is intended for Pywikipediabot, which must be installed and configured first. Configure your account in user-config.py and run python2 login.py before attempting to run the bot.

Known issue: The default Pywikipediabot login.py can't recognize a successful login to Wikivoyage, as Wikivoyage returns three cookies, not four on successful login. Change the line that says

if len(L) == 4:

to

if len(L) > 1:

Note that Pywikipediabot's interface is not particularly stable and you will probably need to hand-hack the script a little to make it work with newer versions. Please update the script here after any changes.

Configuration
post.py works by reading .dat files, injecting the content into a template and posting the merged document to a specified Wikivoyage version.

The .dat file consists of key-value pairs like this:

NAME Akita LCASE akita JAPANESE 秋田 CAPITAL Akita

Keys should use alphabetic characters in the range A-Z only. The special key NAME is used as the title of the article to be created. Values can contain anything, including UTF-8 characters (which should be used for any non-ASCII characters) and continue until the end of the line. Generating the dat files is left up to you!

The template is simply a plain text file containing the skeleton Wiki article and variables flagged by '$':

$NAME prefecture ($JAPANESE $NAME-ken) is in Japan.

Cities

 * $CAPITAL — The prefectural capital

Variable substitutions are performed against all variables listed in the dat file. Any variables not found in the dat file are ignored.

The command to actually run post.py is:

python2 post.py -uusername -ttemplate.wiki -nfile.date -e/bin/true

Once you have perfected the automated entry of a single file, you can use a shell loop to upload everything:

for i in dat-directory/*; do  python2 post.py  -uusername -ttemplate.wiki -n$i -e/bin/true done

Questions and bug reports
This may be a stupid question but... Where do you enter the title for each new page or .dat file?

 * Very good question! The parameter NAME is automatically used as the title. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:59, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

Mac
Sorry for being ignamoorse, but can Pywikipediabot be used on a Mac? -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 01:55, 23 February 2008 (EST)
 * Yes. -- (WT-en) Colin 11:35, 23 February 2008 (EST)

 * BTW, I'm fairly sure that post.py in its present form is not going to work with current versions of pywikipediabot, which is revised continually and regularly breaks old code. Sigh. (WT-en) Jpatokal 14:21, 23 February 2008 (EST)

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User talk:Jpatokal/Project

I actually prefer this on the main page, because I think it may get a little annoying trying to find the project page, especially for new users. If the project page is split off from the main page at the very least can we keep the notice for the current CoTW on the main page? If a new user comes along and see's Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch is the current CoTW they may think "Hey! Cool, I was just there. Let's see what I can add." If this is hidden away on another page I doubt many peole who may know something about this destination would go looking to see what the CoTW is. (WT-en) Sapphire 06:15, 30 April 2006 (EDT)

Isn't that "Wikivoyage" box a little redundant? (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:45, 30 April 2006 (EDT)
 * No more so than "Wikivoyage Guide" on the Main Page. I originally type "Wikivoyage Project" there, but that was redundant with the "Project" subsection, so I shortened it. {shrug} - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 13:05, 30 April 2006 (EDT)
 * I've tried something different, labeling one "Resources" and the other "World". - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 16:44, 30 April 2006 (EDT)
 * I like this better, it's more symmetric too. (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:43, 30 April 2006 (EDT)

title: User talk:Jpatokal/Project


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User talk:(WT-en) JPBarrette

Hello, JPBarrette! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub.

Just a tip, the formatting issue you are having on your user page happens because of the space before the bullets—my apologies for being presumptuous if you already know this! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:50, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Jpbaseball2011

Welcome and some advice
Hi, and welcome to Wikivoyage. I see that you are motivated by wanting to sell auto insurance. You have a better chance of having one listing up if you don't spam, which on this site means posting the same advertisement to more than one article and is strictly prohibited. If you do want to have a listing (NOT advertisement) up in the most relevant place, probably Driving in Mexico, read this:

Project:Don't tout

And never front-load your URL.

Thanks.

(WT-en) Ikan Kekek 01:49, 22 August 2011 (EDT)

 * I'll add that I just deleted all ads, links, and mentions of specific insurance companies in that article, so if you want to argue for one listing there, you need to go to Talk:Driving in Mexico and explain why your listing is actually necessary or very important for travelers. On this site, the traveler comes first, not the advertiser.

 * (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 01:54, 22 August 2011 (EDT)

 * Now, you are spamming links throughout articles. If you continue that, your account will have to be blocked and your company is likely to be blacklisted. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 03:45, 22 August 2011 (EDT)

title: User talk:(WT-en) Jpbaseball2011


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User talk:(WT-en) Jpete2296

Hello, Jpete2296! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 18:39, 24 January 2010 (EST)

title: User talk:(WT-en) Jpete2296


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User talk:(WT-en) Jpg

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. You may find the tips for new contributors helpful, and scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. --(WT-en) Evan 11:55, 22 Jun 2004 (EDT)

title: User talk:(WT-en) Jpg


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User talk:(WT-en) JPG

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage. If you want to specialize your experience you may want to consider editing your preferences. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to the whole wiki community look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to use the wiki markup. If you need help, check out the help desk, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.-- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 19:41, 24 August 2006 (EDT)

title: User talk:(WT-en) JPG


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User talk:(WT-en) Jpgarland

Hello Jpgarland!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. If you want to specialize your experience you may want to consider editing your preferences. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to the whole wiki community look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to use the wiki markup. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 16:49, 2 May 2006 (EDT)

title: User talk:(WT-en) Jpgarland


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User talk:(WT-en) JPGordon

Please contact me at 1-(800)-697-8779 or user.jpgordon@gmail.com

Uh... what's with spamming the above all over talk pages? -- (WT-en) OldPine 13:22, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

title: User talk:(WT-en) JPGordon


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User talk:(WT-en) Jp james

Welcome
Hello Jp james! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. If you are having trouble with some of the terms being used, check out the jargon page.

Thank you for contributing to Little Corn Island, Big Corn Island, Nicaragua and Madrid. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 08:08, 16 September 2006 (EDT)

title: User talk:(WT-en) Jp james


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User talk:(WT-en) Jpkozura

Hello Jpkozura! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 17:13, 29 December 2007 (EST)

title: User talk:(WT-en) Jpkozura


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User talk:(WT-en) Jplacson

Welcome
Hello Jplacson! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. Feel free to contact me if you should have any questions. You can reach me here.

Thanks for joining up and please plunge forward! --(WT-en) Matt Talk 22:47, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

title: User talk:(WT-en) Jplacson


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User talk:(WT-en) Jplumberg

Please do not use Wikivoyage for advertising. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:00, 17 November 2010 (EST)

title: User talk:(WT-en) Jplumberg


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User talk:(WT-en) Jpmorgan1234

Hello Jpmorgan1234! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub.

p.s... we don't create articles for specific businesses/lodges, etc... they should be listed in the city in which they are located... Bear Path Lodge is in Park City (Utah), and is listed there, so I've deleted that article... feel free to expand the listing a little on the Park City page by adding phone #, rates, etc, but be careful not to tout. Thanks! – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 20:24, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

title: User talk:(WT-en) Jpmorgan1234


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User talk:(WT-en) Jpnoe

Greetings, Jpnoe! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to the whole wiki community look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to use the wiki markup. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

You're doing a nice job of contributing to multiple pages, particularly Albuquerque, where I feel personal value being added by what you write -- your knowledge of the city complements my own well. Keep it up! -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:49, 27 May 2006 (EDT)

title: User talk:(WT-en) Jpnoe


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User talk:(WT-en) Jpoust

Hello, Jpoust! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub.

It looks like you're doing great work so far. But when you delete listings from articles, please include explanations in your edit summaries or the Talk pages. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 18:28, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

title: User talk:(WT-en) Jpoust


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User talk:(WT-en) Jpp

Hello, Jpp! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 00:58, 12 December 2009 (EST)

title: User talk:(WT-en) Jpp


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User talk:(WT-en) Jprasada

Hello Jprasada! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub.

title: User talk:(WT-en) Jprasada


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User talk:(WT-en) Jprpic

Hello, Jprpic! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. (WT-en) LtPowers 16:13, 27 December 2011 (EST)

title: User talk:(WT-en) Jprpic


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User talk:(WT-en) JPStivala

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thanks for your addition to Portugal, but we try to concentrate on primary source links (see external links for details). --(WT-en) Evan 22:00, 10 April 2006 (EDT)

Re: Welcome to Wikivoyage
Hello Evan & Wiki, thanks for your comments. Wikivoyage is fantastic. If you are ever in Malta be sure to give us a shout!

title: User talk:(WT-en) JPStivala


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User talk:(WT-en) JPS warungclub

Hi! Please read wbo, don't tout and tone. Regards, (WT-en) jan 03:12, 6 January 2011 (EST)

title: User talk:(WT-en) JPS warungclub


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User talk:(WT-en) Jqkerans

Hello and welcome to Wikivoyage.

Please note that adding listings of villas for which your business acts as marketing and/or management agent is considered spamming, and is not allowed here. Villa listings in a sleep section are welcomed at Wikivoyage if all contact details given are the primary contact details for that property and not those of a managing agent. It is important that you stop adding villa listings with your own contact details inserted; if you persist, your website may be added to our spam blacklist, which would hurt your search engine ranking. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:17, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

title: User talk:(WT-en) Jqkerans


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User talk:(WT-en) Jradcliffe

Hello, Jradcliffe! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page.

If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. - (WT-en) Nrms 07:59, 26 January 2009 (EST)

title: User talk:(WT-en) Jradcliffe


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User talk:(WT-en) Jrcnd

Hi, I'd like to let you know that I've proposed for deletion two of the images you uploaded to Wikivoyage because you did not say if you're their author or if you have authorization to publish them under our licence. If you do, please leave a note on the Votes for deletion page saying so. (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 17:14, 11 November 2006 (EST)

title: User talk:(WT-en) Jrcnd


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User talk:(WT-en) Jrdouce

Hello!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. If you want to specialize your experience you may want to consider editing your preferences. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to the whole wiki community look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to use the wiki markup. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 14:58, 21 June 2006 (EDT)

Metro West/Greater Boston
Hi, Jrdouce. Welcome. I see you have started a Metro West region in Massachusetts for Framingham, Ashland and some other towns. These towns are already part of the Greater Boston region. What's your take on this? Do you think Metro West should be made a region within the Greater Boston region? Couldn't we just keep them in Greater Boston? (WT-en) OldPine 16:14, 21 June 2006 (EDT)

Hi OldPine. I live in Ashland, and the folks and businesses out there identify the area as Metro West. There is the Metro West Daily news, the Metro West telephone book Metro West YMCA, etc. Metro West is close to Boston, but no closer than towns listed in the North Shore (Massachusetts) or South Shore (Massachusetts). I think the towns West of Boston, outside Route 128 up to those through which Route 495 runs are a distinct area economically and culturally. Of course that is just my opinion. I'm new to this, and I haven't had time to read all of the guidlines. What are your thoughts?
 * I definitely see your point. Rt. 128 is definitely a convenient dividing line. I had the same thoughts about Concord, MA. I took a look at Wikipedia because I think a lot of the designations we use come from or follow theirs. They include Framingham and Concord (but we don't have to I guess). I could see moving Framingham and Natick to Metro West from Greater Boston. Would also like others to comment. (WT-en) OldPine 13:27, 22 June 2006 (EDT)

 * I just discovered that Ashland is also under Blackstone Valley. That is definitely incorrect.  As watersheds go, Ashland (and Hopkinton) is in the Sudbury River Valley.  How are issues like this resolved?

 * I discovered that, too, yesterday and deleted it. As you say, it was clearly wrong. By the way, if you put " ~" after your comments, it'll help us track them better.
 * As far as the proper region for Ashland etc, we solicited comment and got none, so it's up to us :). Then, when we make the changes, we'll explain what we're doing and why in the summary box before saving. I'm with you for making the Metro West the region for Framingham/Natick/Ashland etc. and will be happy to make the changes if you want. (WT-en) OldPine 13:36, 23 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Thanks, I'll leave the changes to you since you seem far more familier with the organization of the site. I'm not sure where you would like me to put " ~" .  Do you mean after these comments?

There must be some begginer FAQ pages where I can get up to speed, can you reccomentd any? Thanks.

 * OK, I'm on it. Check out "Help" from the left menu, then I think it's "using talk pages". Yeah, it goes after your comments. Leave out the tags which I just used to have it display correctly on the talk page before editing. (WT-en) OldPine 15:00, 23 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Thanks. (WT-en) Jrdouce 15:12, 23 June 2006 (EDT)

 * All done structurally except... Wikipedia includes Southborough. Do you think we should move it from Blackstone Valley or leave it there? Also, I see it both ways, but principal usage seems to be MetroWest with no space. Should it be that?? (WT-en) OldPine 15:35, 23 June 2006 (EDT)

Just a suggestion, but you may want to copy this discussion about the regional breakdown for Massachusetts to Talk:Massachusetts, where it's more likely that others will notice the discussion. Coming up with logical regions with non-ambiguous boundaries is an issue we go through with every state - a couple of examples of how this was attacked previously are at Talk:California and Talk:Vermont (as well as other state talk pages). The general guideline is to not have too many "top-level" regions, and to try to come up with regions that are fairly well-defined so that we don't get a lot of cities put into multiple (or wrong) regions. California was a mess for a long time, although in the past six months or so it seems to have really come out well from an organizational standpoint. -- (WT-en) Ryan 16:06, 23 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Hmmm... wish I'd thought of that. (WT-en) OldPine 18:30, 23 June 2006 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Jrew

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Disambiguation of Worcester
Hi. I've just disambiguated Worcester, but I'm not sure which one you worked at, so I didn't change that. -- (WT-en) Chris j wood 21:27, 28 Jul 2004 (EDT)
 * Ditto, more than a year later. Please disamb your user page. :) --(WT-en) Repayne 14:03, 10 Sep 2005 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) JRG

Better late than never, so: Hello JRG! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Thanks for your thoughtful edits to Australia! (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:36, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for contacting me about the differences in Australian English and American English. I am aware of most of these differences and I have tried to keep my edits in accordance with these conventions. For example I don't believe I changed any of the 'centre' to 'center' but if I did I apologize. I am also aware of the 'specialise' vs. 'specialize' spelling conventions. I will continue to be careful and try and maintain the language used in that country in the future. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. (WT-en) Carson 14:14, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

hi there
i just changed the ferry pic details a little towards to toward hope its ok? --(WT-en) Hayfield 21:41, 22 November 2008 (EST)
 * I just changed it to "to", which hopefully avoids the issue altogether.. --(WT-en) Inas 16:29, 23 November 2008 (EST)

parra
thanks for your updates to parramatta. i think the article is relaly getting there now. i agree with tou that the auto alley stuff doesn't really belong in a travel guide, so i am going to move it as a possible location travelers to buy a car in oz. --(WT-en) Inas 16:29, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Merge Hills North West
You accusation of destroying your work is inaccurate. All the changes changes were discussed and agreed, and I just implemented what was agreed. Please don't have a go at me for just doing something after discussion and agreement on Talk:Sydney. You still haven't contributed to the discussion, or commented on the map, or districts, or divisions. You just revert changes, and get us no closer to having good districts for Sydney. --(WT-en) Inas 21:44, 27 February 2009 (EST)
 * No information has been lost for Hills, anyway. It is basically just a change of name. Thee was no coverage for other other north west areas outside of the Hills, unless you count that woodworking course I deleted. All the changes were revertable if required.
 * Northern Districts didn't even exist until a couple of weeks ago, so there is hardly anything else there to lose, and all the changes are revertable if required.
 * A merge notice was placed on the article
 * Consensus was gained at Talk:Sydney.

 * JRG, please take a good long hard look at Project:Consensus. I have rolled back your edits as they very clearly violate this policy. If you wish to see further changes to the Sydney districts hierarchy, see changes undone, or accomplish anything else of any sort when in a dispute over Wikivoyage content, discuss, do not revert. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:31, 27 February 2009 (EST)

 * Hi. Sydney Districts are hard.  If they weren't they would be right by now.  I'm more than happy to work with you to get it right.  But we can't do it by edits and reverts.  We have to beat it out at Talk:Sydney and then implement it.  We've done some good content on Sydney Parramatta and other areas, and if we get the districts right, it will improve.  I'm not against the Hills District as a separate article by any stretch.  It is a region with a distinct identity.  But once something is agreed we need to stick with what was agreed, or go back to the table and reach a better agreement.  Anyway, always happy to discuss these things.  --(WT-en) Inas 21:28, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

 * Yes, changes don't have to be big, they can be incremental. Yes, articles can split districts, and they can also merge districts.  However, when there are different views on anything, getting community support is important.  Otherwise, we do down the path of conflicting edits, reversions, etc, that is just destructive.  To say that your contribution isn't welcome here is just not true.  You can feel free to plunge forward and make changes.  If they don't stick, then you have to discuss them, gain consensus, and then move on.  The ironic thing here, is that noone actually disagrees with your position on the districts, or your ideas, or your contributions.  The only disagreement is whether you can revert changes made by consensus, without trying to build a new consensus.  If you do this everyone may look at what you have done and think it is great, and agree to leave it.  You also risk the possibility your edits will be lost, because they are not in line with what has been agreed.  --(WT-en) Inas 00:24, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Can you get community support for me then? (WT-en) JRG 03:55, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

 * Okay, lets work on it again. Are you only interested in the Hills/North West bit, or are you happy to be involved in the bigger picture?  Can you comment generally in Talk:Sydney?  --(WT-en) Inas 07:35, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
 * Replied at your user page. (WT-en) JRG 03:42, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

 * I think North West is really no bigger than South West, either in attractions, area, or population.  The harbourside, riverside, beachside areas, as well as the business CBD's tend to have more interest to travellers than the purely suburban areas, and large parts of the Hills District are really very suburban, and this is reflected in what has been written in the article so far.   I still don't quite know whether you have accurately defined the district, I don't know if it corresponds to the Baulkham Hills shire, or something wider.  The suggestion was previously made in Talk::Sydney that too many articles were being dedicated to suburban araes, and we would be better off having larger districts covering suburban areas, and smaller aritcles that focussed on areas of specific intersest to travellers, just as national parks, or even say Macquarie Park CBD for business travellers.  Anyway, I'll move and open this discussion again in Talk:Sydney, and away from user talk pages, but my starting position would be that to keep Sydney manageable, we would want to have no more than 9 districts, and these would reflect their interest to the different classes of travellers that visiti Sydney.  --(WT-en) Inas 18:13, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

 * I've looked around to see if I can find a "definitive definition" for the Hills District. I haven't really found one.  The best I seem to have found comes from the Yellow Pages, that publish a Hills District local guide.  --(WT-en) Inas 00:02, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

Darling Harbour Map
Hi,

Thanks for your comments on the Darling Harbour map. The King St and Aquarium wharfs are both already shown on the map. I have labelled one as Parramatta River Ferry, and the other as Circular Quay, Sydney Ferry. My rationale was that their is only one Parramatta River ferry, but there are two Circular Quay ferries, so there was a need to distinguish between the Matilda and the Sydney Ferries one. I also rationalised that the majority of Passengers catching the ferry at the Aquarium wharf are travelling to Circular Quay, rather than Balmain, or McMahons point, and there is limited real estate on the map. The other ferry destinations can easily be mentioned in the article text. I do show the Pyrmont Bay ferry wharf. If you can think of any way to express this more clearly, please let me know. --(WT-en) Inas 20:06, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

Sydney ferries
Hi - I've been giving some thought to how best to feature Sydney Ferries and the harbour in their own article, along the lines of your suggestions at Talk:Sydney. I was thinking of an itinerary article for a couple of the key ferry services, starting with say, Quay -> Parra, and Quay -> Manly, but maybe progressing to a few others. The article would cover the trip from Circular Quay, contain a list of sights and stops to look out for along the way (with photos and a map, maybe), and reference the appropriate articles for the stops along the way, if people want to get off and look around. It could substitute for the commentary on a harbour cruise, and give people a day out on the harbour. I also could be quite unique, as I haven't seen it done before. It gives more focus to the ferries than just "you can take xyz ferry from A to B", type text. WDYT? --(WT-en) inas 19:25, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
 * Good idea. I have tried an itinerary before but it's not yet finished. An in-article itinerary is more than permissible and would be a good way to fill out the page. (WT-en) JRG 08:02, 27 August 2009 (EDT)

Sydney
Hi. Are you still participating in the discussion on Sydney Districts? Its been a month or so with no comments? --(WT-en) inas 21:37, 3 December 2009 (EST)

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User talk:JRHorse/Japan07

Welcome to JR's 2007-2008 Japan Trip Page, where I post my proposed itinerary for my return trip to Japan to the court of public opinion, and conjugate and change the itinerary based on said opinions.

The places that are on the top of my list for my return trip are:

 * Tokyo: Ginza, Meiji Shrine
 * Kyoto: Gion, Philosopher's Walk
 * And a stay at an onsen ANYWHERE!

The places that I am very interested in visiting, although I may not get a chance to visit every place:

(in no particular order)

 * Shikoku: Takamatsu, Matsuyama (Dogo Onsen)
 * Okayama: Korakuen
 * Hiroshima
 * Miyajima
 * Nagasaki
 * Kagoshima
 * Matsushima
 * Kanazawa
 * Mito: Kairakuen

The trip will be a total of 14 nights, departing from my home city of New York on a Monday.

Currently, the targeted days for my trip are either:
 * October 8 to October 24, 2007, or
 * March 10 to March 26, 2008.

If you have any suggestions or comments about places to visit, please drop a line! (WT-en) JRHorse 16:44, 7 November 2006 (EST)

Comments
Sounds good -- Kyushu is also on my to-do list this or next year. Miyajima is wonderful, and if you're in the region I liked the Writer's Walk/temple tours at Onomichi. Naoshima and Kurashiki, both in the vicinity, should be worth a visit (no personal experience... yet!). On the down side, Sengakuji is rather anticlimactic unless you can read Japanese and have a keen interest in the Chushingura, there are better things to see in Tokyo (like, say Odaiba). (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:42, 25 April 2006 (EDT)

 * I visited Odaiba during my first trip, but would not rule out another trip there to see what's changed in three years! However, I do want to keep Meiji Shrine at the top of my Tokyo to-do list. (WT-en) JRHorse 23:50, 25 April 2006 (EDT)

Proposed Itinerary
This was the last proposed itinerary that was "generated" for this trip back in February 2006, with some minor adjustments.

Day trips in parentheses.

Stay at New Miyako Hotel, 4 nights. Had a pleasurable experience with this hotel during my first visit to Japan and would definitely stay here again. Very convenient to the train station, and I pray that I can get a room overlooking the bullet trains and Isetan once again! Stay at Hotel Sunroute Seto-Ohashi, 2 nights. Stay at Hotel Granvia Okayama, 1 night. Stay at Hotel TBD, 6 nights. Was thinking about going back to the Shinjuku Prince Hotel, where I stayed the final two nights of my initial trip. Reconsidering a Tokyu Stay hotel, perhaps the one close to Shibuya station (as listed here on Wikivoyage), for its amenities and respectable costs. Would go from here to Narita via Ginza Subway Line and Keisei Skyliner.
 * Day 1: Fly to Japan
 * Day 2: Land at Narita Airport. Take Narita Express / bullet train to Kyoto.
 * Day 3: Kyoto (Philosopher's Walk, Gion?)
 * Day 4: Kyoto (Kanazawa)
 * Day 5: Kyoto (Osaka)
 * Day 6: Kyoto
 * Day 7: Transit to Utazu (Takamatsu)
 * Day 8: Utazu (Dogo Onsen)
 * Day 9: Transit to Okayama (Hiroshima/Miyajima)
 * Day 10: Transit to Tokyo.
 * Day 11 - 15: Tokyo
 * Day 16: Return to Narita Airport, fly home!

Rail Pass: 14 Day Ordinary

I will probably modify this a bit as more ideas come through my head :) (WT-en) JRHorse 00:04, 26 April 2006 (EDT)

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Narita (成田; ) is a city in Chiba prefecture, Japan, some 70 kilometers to the northeast of Tokyo.

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 * Day 1: Fly from Seattle to Japan
 * Day 2: Land at Narita Airport; Tokyo
 * Day 3: Tokyo
 * Day 4: Tokyo
 * Day 5: Tokyo
 * Day 6: Tokyo
 * Day 7: Tokyo
 * Day 8: Kyoto
 * Day 9: Kyoto
 * Day 10: Kyoto
 * Day 11: Kyoto
 * Day 12: Kyoto
 * Day 13: Tokyo
 * Day 14: Tokyo
 * Day 15: Return to Narita Airport, fly home!

Rail Pass: 14 Day Ordinary

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User talk:(WT-en) Jskc60

I have deleted your additions to Kuching. Please see Project:Welcome, business owners for an understanding of why I have done this. Thanks (WT-en) Shep 04:53, 19 September 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Jslipko

Please see our guidelines for hotel marketers. Please be sure that you do not add the same hotel to multiple articles, and if you are going to remove information, such as the price information you removed here, please replace it with updated information or use the edit "Summary" box to explain why you are removing the price. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:54, 19 January 2011 (EST)

Thank you for the info, Ryan!

 * Note that you should leave city, state and zip out of hotel addresses - they can be inferred from the article. See Project:Accommodation listings for details. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:59, 17 March 2011 (EDT)

Please do not remove info on competitors
Hi Jslipko.

In the San Jose (California) article you recently deleted the Vagabond Inn listing.

Please explain your actions here as this sort of behaviour is not acceptable at Wikivoyage. Unless a suitable explanation is forthcoming further edits by you may be subject to an immediate revert to protect the integrity of existing content.

 * A discount hotel minutes from the airport. 24-hour Denny's restaurant on-site. Pool and spa, free WiFi and continental breakfast. Pet-friendly rooms available.

Please ensure you read the article welcome business owners and pay particular attention to the section titled Never remove info on competitors. -- (WT-en) felix 11:11, 18 March 2011 (EDT)

Which hemisphere of the world and continent is the destination in, please check before editing or adding content
Hi again Jslipko,

You recently added a listing to the Brisbane article.

 * An all-suite hotel with fully-equipped kitchens. Complimentary amenities include hot breakfast daily, dinner with beer and wine Monday-Thursday, and high-speed wireless Internet.

This is a listing for an accommodation provider in North California USA. Yet you have placed this content into the article on Brisbane the capital city of the state of Queensland in Australia. It seems clear from your history of contributions that you are either working for or are under contract to someone providing internet marketing services to the Hilton Group. I doubt they will appreciate this sort of thing any more than we do here at Wikivoyage.

Buy a map and please pay some attention to what you are doing and where you are placing content. I boldly suggest that at a bare minimum you check which hemisphere and continent is applicable before you even consider making any more changes to any articles here. -- (WT-en) felix 11:16, 18 March 2011 (EDT)

Hilton Group Properties-Please use standard WT formatting, and do not refer to breakfast as an "amenity"
I have just gone through all of your edits made today and removed the word "amenities" as this normally refers to a desirable or useful feature or facility of a building or place, not a "hot breakfast", or a "light dinner with beverages". I have also re-format times to XXAM XX:XXPM, 12 noon instead of 12:00 PM. I have added +1 country code. Please read the manual of style before you make another edit. If any further corrective edits are required to your listings it will be difficult to restrain the urge to just remove the listing completely or auto-revert your edits without further adjustments. Please try and edit with more care and attention. -- (WT-en) felix 12:23, 18 March 2011 (EDT)

Advertising
Wikivoyage is a travel guide, not a business directory or marketing tool, and while we welcome contributions from businesses, editors who add multiple listings that appear to be primarily for advertising or SEO purposes are likely to be reverted en masse. To maintain the quality and integrity of our guides it is expected that contributors working for hotel chains or similar businesses will remember that the traveler comes first and, in addition to the guidelines above, abide by the following guidelines:

 * Format listings correctly. Other editors will fix mistakes made by contributors who add only one or two listings, but if you are adding multiple listings then it is up to you to make sure they adhere to the Wikivoyage style guidelines. You must also include full information, including price ranges, a properly formatted address (do not include city/state/zip) and a useful description of the business.

 * Do not use marketing language. Promotional language is highly discouraged.

Contributors who add multiple business listings that do not meet these criteria should unfortunately expect to see those contributions reverted, and in the worst case repeated violations of this policy may lead to blacklisting of the business in question. Additionally, while we welcome contributions from everyone, because the goals of creating a travel guide often differ from those of hotel chains, tourism boards, and other business entities contributors should be aware that there are no guarantees that even properly-formatted listings will always be kept in Wikivoyage guides.

Please pay very close attention to the sections in bold type above. Please go back over ALL of your prior additions and edits and reformat them correctly and remove any content that conflicts with the guidelines indicated above. I have tired of doing work for you that you are clearly being paid to do properly by a major hotel chain. Thank you. -- (WT-en) felix 12:53, 18 March 2011 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) JSt

Hello JSt!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. --(WT-en) Huttite 03:56, 23 Nov 2005 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Jstampfl

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. You can also ask me for help anytime by visiting my Talk page and leaving a message. -- (WT-en) PerryPlanet Talk 00:36, 28 November 2008 (EST)

 * I noticed you removed from listings from Ulaanbaatar -- is this because they're bad, or because they're gone? Adding an edit summary when you delete something would be helpful. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:26, 27 January 2009 (EST)

 * Indeed, unless it's closed, Chez at the very least deserve to be listed, I know it's overpriced, but being stuck in UB for days, I came to enjoy the brunch rather much. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 07:34, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Karakorin and Kharakhorin Articles
I notice you created Karakorin then Kharakhorin as two separate articles with very similar content. I assume these are the same place and suggest they be merged. Which of these names is the best English name, or is it Kharkorum or Xar Horin? Once we know that then the pages can be merged or the different names can all be redirected to just one article. - (WT-en) Huttite 06:10, 5 March 2009 (EST)

 * Wikipedia suggests that a third alternative be used: Kharkorin. (WT-en) Texugo 06:21, 5 March 2009 (EST)

 * depends on your purpose, Local Mongolians use "H", not X or Kh, when writing with latin characters. But many tourist companies and sites use "Kh".

Mongolian attractions
I noticed that you created Bilge Khaan memorial and Xar Bulgas. These are both attraction which could easily be covered in the See or Get out section of Karakorin or a more general regional article covering the wider area or administrative region. To qualify as being significant enough for an article a destination normally should have an place that is being operated as a hotel, motel, hostel, short term rental apartment, serviced campground, cabin, lodge, backcountry hut or similar form of accommodation business. - (WT-en) Huttite 07:36, 5 March 2009 (EST)

 * Thanks for your continuing edits to Mongolia. One style tip: please avoid saying "I" in articles, since Wikivoyage articles do not have a single author. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:15, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

Signing comments
On Talk pages, please add ~ to the end of your comments; this turns into a signature & date stamp, making it much easier to understand who said what and when.

And oh, it would be great if you could suggest a starting point for Mongolian on Project:Romanization. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:15, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Jstastny

Hello!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. You can edit your preferences to change how the software works for you. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to our wiki software, MediaWiki, look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to edit a page. If you need help, check out the help desk, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 01:33, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Jstore

Hello Jstore! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub.

Great work on Winnipeg! (WT-en) Sertmann 11:57, 6 November 2008 (EST)

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