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Zurich (region)

Zurich is a region in Switzerland. It encompasses the metropolitan area around Switzerland's biggest city Zurich. It spans over the canton of Zurich and Zug as well as most parts of Aargau.

Public Holidays
Public holidays vary by canton. These are the public holidays in addition to those observed in the whole of Switzerland:

 * St. Berchtold (2 January, observed in Aargau and Zurich)
 * Labour Day (1 May, observed in Aargau and Zurich)
 * Corpus Christi (60 days after Easter, observed in Aargau and Zug)
 * Assumption (15 August, observed in Aargau and Zug)
 * All Saints Day (1 November, observed in Aargau and Zug)
 * Immaculate Conception (8 December, observed in Aargau and Zug)

The city of Zurich has two local festivals Sechseläuten (almost always third Monday of April) and Knabenschiessen which (Monday after second weekend of September) which are unofficially observed as half-day holidays in the city with many businesses closed after 13:00.

Get in
Both Switzerland's most important airport and railway station lie in this region.

Zurich Hauptbahnhof (main station) is an international train station with trains arriving from France, Italy, Austria, Germany, and beyond.

is located in Kloten just north of the city of Zurich. It is well connected by train to most parts of the region. More details on the airport are in the Zurich Airport article as well as the main Zurich article.

Get around
The locals are very proud of their tram car, they are excellent for getting around in the city. For these and also the regional S-Bahn trains, see ZVV. See also SBB for the national trains. For Aargau local rail map, tickets and timetables see the website of A-Welle.

See

 * Historical center of the Zurich city

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Zushi

Zushi (逗子) is a small city in Kanagawa, Japan about an hour by train south of Tokyo. It is often visited for its beach, marina, and summer events. Though it has a few historic temples and similar scenery to neighboring Kamakura, it gets much fewer tourists.

Tourist information site
The local tourist association has a Japanese-only guide site.

Get in

 * Take the Yokosuka line from Tokyo to Zushi (60-65 min).
 * Keihin Kyuko line from Shinagawa to Shinzushi station (47 min).
 * Shonan Shinjuku line from Shinjuku (59 min). (be careful, only some of the Shonan Shinjuku line trains go to Zushi, others go to Odawara)

Get around
There are many buses, but the beach and shopping areas are within walking distance. Some of the better parks and temples are in the hills and a little far unless you want to take a nice long walk. Taxis are prevalent.

Do

 * Festivals: Zushi Coast Yabusame (Horseback Archery)/Zushi Yabusame Warrior Procession
 * Swimming at the beach
 * Windsurfing, boating, and sea kayaking - The bay is relatively shallow and calm, making a haven for wind surfers.

Buy
There are a number of smaller shops and boutiques, but Zushi is not considered a shopping destination.

Eat
There are a number of non-chain restaurants near the station. Especially, compared to other Japanese towns of this size, there are several local seafood places, Italian restaurants, and small "natural food" restaurants.

 * Shokusaido, 249-0006 Kanagawa-ken, Zushi-shi, Zushi 5-7-6, Phone 046-871-7585. Hours: 17:00-00:00. Closed Thursdays. Japanese, western.  No English spoken. Price: ¥1000-2000 entree.
 * Lanterna Rossa, Kanagawa-ken, Zushi-shi, Zushi 6-5-9, 0468 72-2045. 12:00-15:00 and 18:00-00:00. Italian Wine bar. Serves snacks (cured meats) and wine. Wines expensive.

Drink
There are a number of bars near the station (izakayas, Western bars, and wine bars). Most are visited with friends or small groups, rather than singles. A few have a beach atmosphere and are popular with visitors.

From late June to August, the beach is filled with various beach houses and bars, with various themes and music.

Go next

 * Hayama
 * Kamakura
 * Yokohama
 * Yokosuka
 * Miura
 * Fujisawa
 * Ebina
 * Chigasaki
 * Hiratsuka

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Zutphen

Zutphen (population 47,000) is an historic city in the center-eastern part of the Netherlands. The city has existed since Roman times and received its city rights in 1190, making it one of the oldest medieval cities in the Netherlands.

The city was voted as having the best city center of The Netherlands in the category of small cities in 2006. (The winner in the category of major cities was Groningen.)

It has an untouched historic city center that gives you the feeling of travelling hundreds of years back in time. It is not widely known to foreign tourists and waiting to be discovered.

Understand
Zutphen is located in a river valley at the river IJssel, a sidebranch from the branch of the Rhine known as the Nederrijn. The small river Berkel (no shipping possible) as well as the major Twentekanaal (canal) flow into the IJssel near Zutphen. The city lies at the border of the hilly forested Veluwe region and the more flat and agricultural Achterhoek. The language spoken is Dutch; nearly everyone speaks English, and German is widely understood.

By public transit
The is located close to the city centre. Train services here consist of an Intercity between Roosendaal and Zwolle via Nijmegen and Tilburg, and regular trains connecting to Wijchen, Apeldoorn, Winterswijk and Oldenzaal via Hengelo. The train station is well-serviced and is a small hub for the area.

As for buses, the same train station is also the major bus hub, making switching between the two rather easy. Connections from here consist of Line 80 connecting to Vorden, Line 81 connecting to Deventer (though the train to Zwolle is the quicker option for getting to Deventer), Lines 82 and 682, which connect to several towns in Bronckhorst and ends in Doetinchem and Line 273, which is a substitute of the train link to Oldenzaal.

From Amsterdam
In the morning: Take the Intercity from Amsterdam Central to direction Nijmegen till Arnhem, the you have to change train. In Arnhem you take the Intercity in the direction Zwolle.

In the afternoon and evening: Take the Intercity from Amsterdam Central to Amersfoort, there you have to chance train to the direction of Enschede. At the first station (Apeldoorn), you change train again: the local train to Zutphen.

During peakhours (morning and afternoon) "Peakhours Intercities" Amsterdam Central - Apeldoorn (direction Deventer) are in service. You don't need to travel via Arnhem or don't have to change train in Amersfoort. You only have to take the peakhour Intercity from Amsterdam Central in direction Deventer till Apeldoorn en there change train to the local train to Zutphen.

See ns.nl for times and prices.

From Amsterdam
From Amsterdam, follow the A1 highway for about 100 kilometers until Apeldoorn. Just after Apeldoorn, take the exit towards Voorst / Zutphen and follow main road N314 for about 18 kilometers until you reach Zutphen. Note that after about 10 kilometers you reach a round-a-bout where you have to turn right (and follow the N314), and when you enter Zutphen, you will first enter the small part of the city (de Hoven) that lies on the west bank of the river. The road ends at a major junction where you can only turn right or left; turn left onto the IJssel bridge to cross the river and reach the main part of the city.

From The Hague
Follow the A12 highway for about 120 kilometers to Arnhem. When you get to the major Velperbroek interchange at the eastern side of Arnhem, take the exit for the A348 towards Zutphen. After taking the exit you get to a huge round-a-bout which you have to follow three-quarters around. Where the highway ends you turn left and after a few hundred meters right, following the N348 provincial road through the town of Dieren until you reach a large multi-lane round-a-bout just beyond the town of Brummen. There you can either continue straight with the N348, which will take you across the new IJssel river bridge and to the southern, newer part of Zutphen, or turn right onto the N345 and continue all the way to the old IJssel river bridge, which will take you to the old city center.

From Arnhem
From the center, you may take the Steenstraat, beginning right in front of the V&D department store and Musis Sacrum. Follow this city street all the way out of Arnhem, through Velp, Rheden, De Steeg, and Ellecom. Then, it turns into the road described above: follow the N348 provincial road through the town of Dieren until you reach a large round-a-bout just beyond the town of Brummen. There you can either continue straight with the N348, which will take you across the new IJssel river bridge and to the southern, newer part of Zutphen, or turn right onto the N345 and continue all the way to the old IJssel river bridge, which will take you to the old city center. From the southern part of the city (below the river), take the Pleyroute, the Sacharov Bridge which will take you across the river towards Velp. There are already signs around the major junctions in Arnhem South leading to Zutphen; follow them.

From Deventer
Follow the N348 south to Zutphen. Directly at the entrance to the city, just after crossing the bridge over the Twenthekanaal (Twenthe canal), you can choose between turning left, following the N348 towards the southern part of the city, or continuing straight towards the city center.

Get around
Inside the city center, everything is within walking distance. The railway station is located 200 meters away from the edge of the old city center. Walking from one side of the city center to the other side takes about 20 to 30 minutes.

For the rest of the city, and for the surrounding area, the best way to get around is definitely by bicycle. You can rent bicycles at the railway station's bicycle depot, which is not very expensive and offers excellent bicycles. You can find it by turning left when you leave the station; the bicycle depot is located in a space under the railway station, next to the ING Bank. Most bicycle shops in town will also rent bicycles.

Parking a car in Zutphen is possible, but may be difficult on some days (such as Saturdays and market days). In the city center, expect to have to pay for your parking spot. Directly north of the railway station, close to the river IJssel, there is a free parking lot with 80 spots from which it is a 10 to 15-minute walk to the city center. This parking lot is accessible via the rear entrance of the train station.

The bus network in the city has been improved over the past few years. All areas of the city are now served by buses from the early morning until the late evening. On the buses, you can buy a 1 euro ticket which is valid for two journeys on the same day. The buses are operated by Syntus. Some lines, going the west across the river, are operated by Connexxion.
 * Line 80: Station - city center - Zuidwijken - Hospital - Leesten - Warnsveld vv.
 * Line 82: Station - Warnsveld - Leesten - Hospital - on towards Doetinchem vv.
 * Line 83: Station - Deventerwegkwartier (northern city) - Eefde - on towards Deventer vv.
 * Line 54: Station - Warnsveld - Almen - Laren vv.

See
Its Dutch tourist promotion slogan, "Torenstad", means "Tower-city", which refers to the large number of towers. The largest is the Walburgkerk (officially it's called "St. Walburgiskerk", but the locals say "Walburgkerk"), located at the square where the city originated. Guided tours are available, organized by the VVV located directly opposite the railway station. These tours will also allow you to visit the medieval library "Librije" - books have been kept here secure since the 1600s by chaining them to the desks.

Do

 * Visit the weekly markets. A large market is held on Thursday morning, breaking up at around 13:00 (1 PM); a smaller market is held on Saturday throughout the day. The Thursday morning market is one of the biggest in the country.
 * Hire a bike (railway station), head out over the old bridge, turn right, and pushbike along the most beautiful riverdike, an oasis of quiet and nature. A gem mainly the locals know and really worth it.

Groceries
A few supermarkets are located in the center of the city. On Polsbroek shopping center there is a very large Albert Heijn (AH) supermarket. Worth a recommendation are the small grocercy stores run by Turkish immigrants; they import products from Turkey and are often much cheaper than regular supermarkets.

Zutphen is known as an alternative city. There are multiple 'alternative grocery stores' which offer a variety of organic food. The most important ones are the 'Gimsel', located in the Langehofstraat, halfway between the Wijnhuistoren and the new city hall, on the western side of the street, and the 'Coehoorn', located in the Nieuwstad quarter, between the Catholic Sint Janskerk (Saint John's Church) and the synagogue.

Clothing
Zutphen is famous for its many small clothing stores. You can find them in all categories and in all price classes.

Eat
There are many restaurants in Zutphen in all price classes, ranging from fast-food restaurants (McDonalds) to expensive Italian restaurants. There are also Turkish, Italian, Egyptian, Chinese and Greek restaurants in the city. Many restaurants are located on the market square.

 * Restaurant "'t Schulten Hues" situated at 's Gravenhof 5-7 is awarded a Michelin star of excellence.
 * Close to the Wijnhuistoren (Whine house tower) lies the 'Volkshuis' (People's House), a small cafe ran by mentally handicapped people who work there in a specially guided environment. Their apple pies are world-famous, and the Queen highly recommended it as well.

Drink
The city is full of small cafes and bars, some of them open until the early morning hours. The atmosphere is usually friendly and relaxed. Many cafes can be found in the Nieuwstad quarter, in the small streets of the old city center and on the market square.

There is a new cinema that opened in 2007, (and a McDonald's) on the De Mars industrial area, north-west of the city center. It can be reached on foot easily by crossing the major rail-road crossing opposite the large lake north of the city center and just below the Hanzehof theater, or from the northern (back) exit of the railway station.

Sleep
There are several hotels in Zutphen, mainly multiple star graded (*** and ****).

Health care
The local hospital, Gelre Ziekenhuizen Zutphen is located in the southeastern part of the city. It can be reached using public transportation: busses 80 and 82 will take you here (83 also, takes a while longer) in about 15 to 20 minutes from the railway station. The hospital offers all regular specialties (no neurosurgery or cardiothoracic surgery) and has an Emergency Department which is opened 24/7. All Dutch physicians speak English. For regular medical care which is not an emergency, you can also contact a regular family physician (GP); there are numerous in Zutphen. Ask for phone numbers at your hotel or pension. The emergency number in the whole country is 112 for ambulance, police and fire department. The hospital's phone number is +31 575 592 592.
 * When you need a family physician outside of regular office hours, call the Central Family Physicians Center at +31 900 200 9000. The Center is located in the entrance building to the hospital and one or two family physicians are always on duty there from 17:00 to 8:00 and during weekends and holidays 24 hours a day. However, be sure to call ahead to arrange an appointment. The family physicians from the center also make home visits for those patients who are not sufficiently sick to require an ambulance, but cannot come to the Center themselves either.

Go next
The area around the city is highly varied.

In Eefde, a town next to Zutphen, you will find one of the largest inland stews in the country. Toward the north, in the direction of Deventer, you will find small towns, roads, forests and some farming. Toward the east you will find a highly varied landscape consisting of agricultural ground, farming, more small towns, and more small roads. To the south lies Doetinchem, a small town with which Zutphen shares a center-function for the surrounding villages, and to the west you will find the huge Veluwe National Park, consisting of a large forest spanning tens of kilometers in width (W-E) and circa one hundred kilometers in length (N-S).

Other towns and cities nearby, with distances:
 * Arnhem and Nijmegen are 30 kilometers and 50 kilometers, respectively, to the south-west (4 trains every hour in both directions).
 * Deventer is 15 kilometers to the north (2 trains every hour in both directions).
 * Apeldoorn is 20 kilometers to the north-west (2 trains every hour in both directions).
 * Hengelo is 40 kilometers to the north-east (2 trains every hour in both directions).
 * Doetinchem is 20 kilometers to the south (difficult to reach with public transportation).

Summary of the train schedule from and to Zutphen
For the latest train times and prices in both Dutch and English, check ns.nl.

Trains arrive and depart around the whole and half hours in five directions. Only the main stations have been listed here; especially the local trains stop at more stations. (train schedules have changed since 7 December 2006, not updated yet)
 * --:58 Fast Train (Sneltrein) to Dieren, Arnhem, Elst, Nijmegen, 's Hertogenbosch, Tilburg, Breda, Roosendaal (with connections to Antwerp, Brussels, Middelburg, Vlissingen)
 * --:04 Local Train (Stoptrein) to Vorden, Ruurlo, Lichtenvoorde-Groenlo (Lievelde), Winterswijk
 * --:04 Fast Train (Sneltrein) to Deventer, Zwolle (with connections to Leeuwarden, Groningen)
 * --:05 Local Train (Stoptrein) to Brummen, Dieren, Rheden, Velp, Arnhem, Elst, Nijmegen
 * --:06 Local Train (Stoptrein) to Klarenbeek, Apeldoorn (with connections to Amersfoort, Amsterdam, Schiphol)
 * --:06 Local Train (Stoptrein) to Lochem, Goor, Delden, Hengelo, Oldenzaal (with connections in Hengelo to Enschede and Almelo)
 * The same trains leave in the same directions 30 minutes later again, with one exception: the Local Train to Apeldoorn leaving at --:06 connects to a direct Intercity to Amsterdam and Schiphol, while the Local Train to Apeldoorn leaving at --:37 goes one minute later and connects to a direct Intercity to Amersfoort, Utrecht, The Hague and Rotterdam. Note that some trains go less frequently on Sunday mornings and on weekday and weekend nights; they leave only every 60 minutes then, instead of every 30 minutes.
 * When using the Intercity services to and from Apeldoorn, note that these trains are split into two parts in Amersfoort or Utrecht.
 * The trains leaving Apeldoorn at --:28 go to Amsterdam and Schiphol and usually consist of 3 trainsets of 3 or 4 cars each. This train is split up in Amersfoort (halfway). The two trainsets in front will go directly to Amsterdam Central Station. The trainset in the back will go to Duivendrecht, Amsterdam Zuid-WTC and Schiphol Airport. Be sure to be in the right part of the train! Ask the conductor or a fellow traveller if you're not sure.
 * The trains leaving Apeldoorn at --:58 go to Rotterdam and The Hague and usually consist of 3 or 4 trainsets of 3 or 4 cars each. The front part goes to Amersfoort, Utrecht, Rotterdam Alexander and Rotterdam Central Station; the last part goes to Amersfoort, Utrecht, Voorburg, and The Hague Central Station. Again, be sure to be in the right part of the train! Ask the conductor or a fellow traveller if you're not sure.

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Zuunmod

Zuunmod is the capital of Tuv province.

Understand
Situated on the opposite side of Bogd Khan Uul Mountain from the capital, Ulaanbaatar, Zuunmod can seem like a sleepy suburb. While the town of 15,000 may not be of much interest, the ruins of a destroyed Buddhist Temple is just outside the city along a hiking trail to UB. At the ruins which once housed 300 monks before it was destroyed and many were killed during religious purges in the 1930s, there is one rebuilt temple that serves as a museum. Zuunmod is about 40km on a well paved road from UB. Zuunmod is the capital of the central province of Töv. It is a very quiet town with a small museum, a temple, a park. But it is a typical small Mongolian town surrounded by the free steppe and plenty of hills to walk.

By Bus
The road to Zuunmod is well paved. It even makes a nice cycle ride! There are medium-sized buses and micro-buses leaving throughout the day from the Dragon Center in Ulaanbaatar from 08:00 to 20:00. Buses are cheap and crowded. You can also hire a taxi to take you there since it is so close to the city. Bus costs 2000 ₮ (2014). Bus number 27 or 27-5 takes you from Sukhbaatar square to the Dragon Centre, or take bus 44 from the University. Buses with a small -5 added to the line number usually ply the full length of the Peace Avenue. Dragon is at the western end of the peace avenue. At the bus stop at Zuunmod there are usually Taxis waiting if you want to get to Manjushri Khiid quickly.

See

Zuunmod has a very relaxed atmosphere. It is worth staying for a couple of days and look at the people and walk the countryside.

Drink
While there is a limited selection of locations to find a refreshing beverage in the great city of zuunmod. An exciting coffee and tea location is opening soon. Sweetwaters coffee and tea is set to open some time in 2023. With drinks such as “the Dreamy cold Brew” “Matcha Ice dragon” and “americano with soy milk” there is sure to be a favorable selection for all travelers traversing through the area. If Sweetwaters does not meet your fancy, there is an abundance of puddles and potholes, filled with water.

Sleep
There are hotels in town, but they may be closed in winter, as are the ger-camps. But somehow you will find some very simple accommodation. One hotel marked as such is at the upper left hand corner of the central park — standing in front of the museum walk left and then along the boundary of the park uphill. The police station is also in that direction.

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Zwickau

Zwickau is a city in Saxony. Its rich history includes being the birthplace of the 19th-century composer Robert Schumann and of a number of automotive makes. Horch and its junior companion brand Audi, which is now based in Ingolstadt, and the post-war East German small car Trabant, were founded here. Although none of those brands survives in Zwickau, Volkswagen, now the owner of Audi, has built a factory in town.

Understand
Zwickau's history dates back almost 900 years. It began as a settlement by the local Slavic tribes, called Šwikawa in Sorbian (a name referring to the pagan god  Svarozič). It sits beside and gives its name to the river Zwickauer Mulde, a tributary of the larger Mulde which in turn flows into the Elbe. The centre and most districts of Zwickau are on the left (western) bank of the river.

For many centuries, its economy has largely been based on coal and silver mining, predating the industrial revolution by centuries, which is why the city retained a very medieval type old town. Zwickau has always been a rather affluent and important town, even if remaining on the small side compared to other Saxon metropoles.

While a centre of a region that numbers around 500 000 inhabitants, Zwickau has only around 90 000 citizens, providing for a small-town feel. Despite the rather unfortunate development during the communist times, Zwickau retained a wealth of architectural heritage and a particular charm not found in the modernist Chemnitz, baroque Dresden or busy Leipzig.

By train
The city's main railway station is the Zwickau Hauptbahnhof.

Two separate regional trains go from Zwickau to Thuringen (via Gera, Jena, Erfurt and Weimar), as well as Lower Saxony (Göttingen) [RE 1] every two hours. To Leipzig there are S-Bahn-connections every hour with the S5X, which use the Leipzig city tunnel and therefore offer direct connection to the Leipzig city centre, the main station, and the airport.

Local trains link Zwickau to smaller towns across the Saxon Ore Mountains. The private railway company Vogtlandbahn operates local diesel trains through Plauen and Vogtland that go as far as Mariánské Lázně and Sokolov in the Czech Republic.

By plane
The closest airports geographically are Leipzig-Halle, Dresden and Erfurt. Those airports have service from few destinations. For intercontinental flights you may use the slightly farther removed Berlin airports or Prague Ruzyne in the Czech Republic.

Easiest to reach is Leipzig Airport (LEJ) with a direct train connection every hours between 05:00 and approx. 00:00 taking the S5X.

Other airports have no direct connection to Zwickau, so you need to either change means of transportation on your way or provide yourself with a car. Be prepared for a 2-hour drive or a journey of 3 hours or more by train if you want to get from the airport straight to Zwickau. Given that all of the airports are near interesting tourist destinations on their own, it is good to combine your Zwickau into a tour of eastern Germany (and possibly the Czech Republic) if you plan on arriving by air.

By public transit
The Städtische Verkehrsbetriebe Zwickau operates a network of tramways and bus lines in the city. There are only four tram lines in operation, confusingly numbered 3, 4, 5 and 7. 5 and 7 connect the Bahnhof (train station) with the old town, while 4 and 7 go from the city centre to Pölbitz, passing through the impressive 19th-century quarters and stopping reasonably close to the August Horch Museum.

By car
Zwickau has a very compact old town, which you will be able to navigate on foot easily. Exploring it that way is also preferable as many of the streets are pedestrianized, and even those accessible to cars have many restrictions and are not advisable to drive through unless you particularly need to.

There is a network of parkings strategically located around the old town. The prices are generally harmonized at €1.00 per hour. Of particular interest is the multi-level garage at the Zwickau Arcaden, where you can pay in the automated kiosks with euro coins and banknotes, but or with most credit and debit cards.

Do

Eat
The Zwickauer Bürgersteak is a pork back steak filled with ham, gherkin, onions and mustard, which is fried in an egg shell.

Go next
Zwickau is in the west of Saxony, the more urbanized part of the state:
 * Plauen, beautiful relaxed city in the western extremity of Saxony, famous for its lace industry (approx. 30 min with car via Autobahn or by train)
 * Chemnitz, the largest city in Western Saxony, formerly Karl-Marx-Stadt (approx. 30 min with car via Autobahn or by train)
 * Dresden, the lush baroque capital of Saxony (approx. 1 hour with car via Autobahn or 1½ hours by train)
 * Leipzig, the largest city in Saxony famous for centuries for its trade fairs and since 1813 for the Battle of Nations (approx. 1½ hours with car via Autobahn or 1 hr 15 min by train)

Being in the southwest of Saxony, Zwickau is also reasonably close to many cities in Thuringia and Bavaria:
 * Gera is 40 minutes by road or one hour by train (change in Gößnitz)
 * Jena, traditional university city and high-tech centre in Thuringia, is one hour by road or 1½ hours by train (change in Gößnitz)
 * Hof in Franconia is less than an hour by car or a little more than an hour by train

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Talk:'s-Graveland

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I wonder if this article would be better merged with Wijdemeren? This article is about more than just so the title is misleading and the title of Wijdemeren would be more inclusive, since it is the municipality that 's-Graveland is part of. If 's-Graveland is going to discuss the wider district/region then surely Wijdemeren is a better title, unless there is a different and better name for the locality. - (WT-en) Huttite 16:52, 11 January 2010 (EST)

 * Wijdemeren is the name of the municipality, but it is only a creation. It has only been created in 2002 and the name has no historical significance. Before, Wijdemeren consisted of 3 municipalities: 's-Graveland, Nederhorst den Berg and Loosdrecht. Historically, Loosdrecht is not a part of the region (it was actually a part of Utrecht Province, not North Holland. This article now deals with the former municipality of 's-Graveland, and because Nederhorst den Berg is not particularly interesting, I included it in here as well. I agree its a bit strange though. But Loosdrecht is mostly a watersports destination (lakes), while 's-Graveland is mostly interesting for its historical buildings. I guess we could combine both into Wijdemeren, but I am not sure if such a political division makes sense as a travel region. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 19:17, 1 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:'s-Hertogenbosch

Name
As fun as it is to have such a wild title, my impression is that Den Bosch is the more common name for this city. 's-Hertogenbosch gets 425,000 hits in an english-only Google search and Den Bosch gets over one million; In a search with no language restrictions, 's-Hertogenbosch gets about 2,140,000, while Den Bosch gets 2,800,000. Accordingly, we should move this article to Den Bosch, per our Project:Article naming conventions. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:34, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

 * I agree on this, as also in The Netherlands 's-Hertogenbosch is the official name, but better known as Den Bosch. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Longdrive (talk • contribs)

 * I don't think the situation can be compared to The Hague/'s-Gravenhage. As opposed to The Hague, all maps, guides, train schedules and traffic signs use the name 's-Hertogenbosch and it is the only official name. (Den Bosch is mostly used in daily speech by the locals, which I consider less important for travelers). --(WT-en) globe-trotter 15:21, 25 February 2010 (EST)

 * I'd like to pull this up once more, I think 's-Hertogenbosch should be the official title, and Den Bosch the redirect, not the other way around. All signs say 's-Hertogenbosch and its probably the only name travelers will encounter. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 18:21, 24 July 2011 (EDT)
 * I don't know about Wikivoyage policies but I agree that it is strange to have the short reference name for this city as the main title. I made a redirect today for 's Hertogenbosch but I too think it should be the other way around, also because it makes much more sense for travellers. Looking at train or bus tables, they will always be looking for 's Hertogenbosch. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Justme (talk • contribs).

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See Image policy. I don't know this place; which ones should go? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:05, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Ready to feature?
Is this article ready to feature on Dotm? Is anything missing? /Yvwv (talk) 10:53, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

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This is here because the 7+2 link I created for Project:Shortcuts doesn't work on its own, but it does work if this page also exists. ~ 203.144.143.4 09:29, 27 January 2008 (EST)

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Talk:88 Temple Pilgrimage

In heed of the "no external travel guides" policy I'm not putting this on the main page, but this is such a stupendously good guide that I'm sorely tempted to make an exception:

http://www.shikokuhenrotrail.com/

It's not like there can be any "official" link to compete with this...?

And oh yes, the list of 88 temples is borrowed from Wikipedia, as lists of public info with no significant creative input (it's a translation of the Japanese version) aren't eligible for copyright. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:50, 28 Jul 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:Aalborg

I redirected Nørresundby to here. I am not sure if it should be two destinations. --(WT-en) elgaard 19:41, 25 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Good idea.

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Talk:Aarhus

Randers Regnskov ( Randers Tropical Zoo ) should be added to the get out section http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randers_Tropical_Zoo

Another good idea is the ruined castle at Kal�� http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kal%C3%B8_slot

Ree Park ( a zoo ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ree_Park_-_Ebeltoft_Safari could perhaps also be added

I also think Brabrand Sø is worth a visit http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabrand_s%C3%B8

 * No need to list these here. Please plunge forward and add them to the article yourself! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:25, 24 January 2010 (EST)

 * Ree Park should go en Ebeltoft, and Randers Regnskov in Randers. But Brabrand Lake would be a good addition, and Kalø is a nice fit in the get out section. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 05:51, 24 January 2010 (EST)

All right guys, thanks for your help. I was afraid of doing something wrong. Will investigate the site a bit more before doing my first edit. Will delete this rambling in the talk section later.

 * No need to delete talk page comments—we always keep them as a rule, even if they're not terribly important, for our records. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:58, 24 January 2010 (EST)

Århus / AArhus: two different articles?
Is this article on the same subject as Århus? Should they be merged? Danapit (talk) 05:54, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

To Guide
This is a nice article, and Aarhus seems like an interesting city for a dotm at some point. What's required to make it a Guide? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:07, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Or is it actually already a Guide, pending an edit to its status? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:09, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

 * Hi. No I don't think it is a Guide already. I added a great deal of information recently, fixed and updated the representing images and corrected the outdated information I discovered. I am quite new to Voyage, so I am not aware of any procedures Im afraid.
 * Btw. If you think the page misses anything in particular or if there is too much or too little information on specific topics, please comment. RhinoMind (talk) 14:27, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

 * I just changed the article's status to Guide, which I think it clearly is.

 * One thing you can do to get it ready for a Destination of the Month or Off the Beaten Path nomination (probably DotM) is to add Geocoding to all listings. The easiest way to get latitude/longitude information is to open the dynamic map of the city and do a search for each address within the map. If that doesn't work, you can try clicking the exact spot in the map. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:52, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I think I will continue to add some important information for a bit, in order to fill out the empty corners. I will look into the geocoding along the way. Thanks for the inputs. Regarding the large numbers of worthy eating spots to include, it is of the order 100. For this reason alone, and some other important ones as well, I still think it would be best to select just a few and then describe the scene in general terms. The idea of categorizing according to location would perhaps be a reasonable idea. RhinoMind (talk) 21:02, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

 * Over 100? Just how often do you eat out in a new restaurant? ;-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:08, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

 * Oh I don't base it on my own experiences only. I know a great deal of the restaurants here, but I also use a number of guides, food critics in the local papers and on-line media, talk of the town and what ever relates on a trustful level. But I would say that when it comes to mid-range, people here eat out once or twice a month. Splurge 3-4 times a year and budget once or twice a week perhaps on average. Some people less or not at all, some much more. It is just my personal gauge of the scene. Thinking about it, I am also a bit amazed of the quite large numbers, I think a lot of places make the wheels go around by delivering caterings for conferences, celebrations and companies alongside the ordinary restaurant business. You can read about it on the individual homepages and I know a bit about it from friends who are chefs in the business. Mortens Aften, the Christmas months of November and December, New Year and Easter are always totally booked and busy times. RhinoMind (talk) 21:32, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If you want to study the scene yourself on-line, try Tripadvisor, The White Guide (Danish version), Spiseguiden (Danish), Aarhus Update (Danish) and Mangospot (Danish) for an overview and some names. Even if you cannot read Danish, you can extract the names from there. RhinoMind (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Right now, I for my part, mostly cook for myself or are eating out on a number of budget prices spots, that I know serves good quality, when I am out and about the city. My economy is pretty bad at the moment. :-) Was at Kähler, Delizioso, Casa Mia, Mekong, Spiselauget, Café Underground and a place called Folkestedet, within the last week or two. Not to be served their large menus of course. RhinoMind (talk) 21:41, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

 * Btw I think we misunderstood each other, when discussing the Guide status previously. My "no" just meant that I didn't think anyone was categorizing the page as a Guide at that time. I am so new to Voyage, that I wouldn't have any qualified opinion on when a page was ready for a Guide status. Well, none of this really matters now, just felt I needed to explain myself a bit. RhinoMind (talk) 21:32, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Cafées
Hello. I have dared to remove the information about Bülows Kaffebar. It was put up by another user before this page made it to Guide-level. It is an ok café, but not a place that I would mention in a special list. I think it was based on a visit there, but in the literal sea of other cafés in Aarhus, I can't see why it would need special mention. Other people might disagree of course and as I don't like to delete other peoples contributions, I have posted the info here instead. Please discuss below if needed. RhinoMind (talk) 23:50, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Besides, I have been in doubt if a section on cafés would be a good idea at all. Perhaps it is more confusing than helpful. There are many spots with their own individual character, and the definition of what a café is, is rather blurry. At least in Denmark/Aarhus. Some has evening restaurants and even night clubs even. Some places has a strong focus on coffee and not much else. Would they be labelled cafés? I think it is difficult. RhinoMind (talk) 23:59, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Ok, I believe I have solved the problem now by presenting the café scene in a generalized way instead of a confusing (and unfair) few listings. I am unsure if the "special places" needs to be mentioned. If so, a place like "Hos Sofies Forældre" (At Sofies Parents) might also be included as well as other places. The scene is characterized by a plethora of unique places, each with their own individual concepts, so it is difficult to describe the scene in just a few words. RhinoMind (talk) 02:33, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

 * I would give you wide latitude to use your own judgment. Let us know when you are prepared to nominate this city for a Destination of the Month/Off the Beaten Path nomination, keeping in mind that it could be a year or more between nomination and the article actually being featured. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:50, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

 * I'm having second thoughts about this: Any cafe that you mention with a link needs a full listing; otherwise, whenever this article is nominated for a feature, the first thing people are likely to say is that it's not ready yet because when people are traveling and using this article as a printout, a name with a link is not of much help to them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:25, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Hi. Yeah I see your point, although it is a luxury problem for lazy people ;-). Will it solve the problem if the links are left out and the text is presented as is? Could the details be added in another section perhaps? In my opinion it would seriously disrupt the flow of the text if detailed information is added within the generalized text. The most important thing is to give general information that provides a solid and quick overview, is helpful, simple, precise, concise and inspirational. This is the main task of a good travelguide in my opinion. If Voyage guidelines requires certain details to be present in a certain way, could this challenge be solved independently from the generalized information? RhinoMind (talk) 07:43, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I am not opposing detailed in depth descriptions, I actually enjoy sharing and write up this kind of information for several reasons. I am just having concerns about it clouding things and disrupting the usefulness of the text as a good (and quick) guide. RhinoMind (talk) 07:48, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

 * You could be right. All I'll say is that whenever this article is nominated (or you nominate it) for a front-page feature, you should be prepared to argue for this, and others may disagree. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:23, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Places listed several times
RhinoMind and others, you may have noticed that I've recently added coordinates to almost all listings. However, I've noticed that there are a couple of drinking establishments that are listed twice. Places should be listed only once unless there is a very good reason, so is the best place for them under "Bodega and værtshus" or elsewhere?

That's pretty much the only complaint I have on the article, and I'm really looking forward to nominating it for the Main Page (BTW Aarhus is the European Capital of Culture in 2017 which makes for a perfect time to run it). Concerning the restaurants discussed in the thread above; given that we already have so many places to Eat listed with coordinates (almost 50 for this mid-sized city!) I don't think there's much of a problem that some of them are only briefly mentioned. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:30, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

 * Hi. I see two issues here:
 * Drink (double listings) Yeah I am aware of that problem. I saved it for later, because I wasn't sure how best to deal with it. I want to discuss the concepts of Værtshus and Bodega in Danish culture in general and also mention some of the Aarhus-based joints specifically. Perhaps a useful approach would be to move the værtshus and bodega section to the general Denmark article and then just keep the already mentioned places in the Drink secion of this article?
 * Eat section I was actually pondering a more useful approach for this whole section. I don't think the overall Budget, Mid-range and Splurge divisions are the best way to present things. I can see the usefullness of it, but I would also like to see a division based on cusine-style instead. That could also include the dining cafés perhaps and take some load of the café section by the way. I have already done a mix of these two approaches as is, mentioning similar noteworthy places in some spots descriptions.
 * When I begun adding to the article I expressed concern that I was perhaps adding too much to the Eat section (see this TalkPage). But I am past that, and I don't think any cutting down would improve anything. All the places are important in their own category. I don't see any reason for leaving anything out, except for the sake of making the whole section shorter. And that is not a reason in my world. People can pick and choose to read about certain spots without engaging in the whole section all at once. Also, there are no good written guides on Aarhus, so noone can get the overview and information anywhere else. One reason I did the article in the first place.
 * Ok, that's that for now. Great job adding the coordinate stuff btw, I know it can be quite time consuming. RhinoMind (talk) 22:46, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

 * To clarify; they are mentioned in both Drink/Bodega and værtshus and Drink/Frederiksbjerg; without knowing any better I would opt for leaving them in the Fredriksbjerg section and in the listings mention that "this is a good place for a traditional Danish pub experience" or such. Places that have not been listed elsewhere in the article could very well stay in the Bodega section. And I think there was also one or two places that are listed both in Drink and Do (this is somewhat less of a problem). We have this rule to make sure each place gets the same amount of visibility.
 * As I said, I think the Eat section is OK as it is now, there's something for everyone there. ϒpsilon (talk) 04:49, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

 * I'll move up the Bodega section higher up and delete all listings there. Pinds Cafe, according to their FB page, is no more, because the owner got annoyed by the landlord raising the rent and the complaining neighbors. However he opened a new place, "Teaterkatten", at Kannikegade 12. The other four listings are all already listed elsewhere in Drink. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:29, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Tasks before DOTM
Hello. I see the article is now considered to feature as Destination of the Month (DOTM). Ikan Kekek has expressed interest in knowning what major tasks on the article remains and I will try to sum things up here:

 * As discussed above, some of the general information on værtshus and bodega will perhaps be moved to the general Denmark article and some minor rearrangements could perhaps be implemented in this article.
 * The Hotel section still needs some filtering, as some places should perhaps be in the splurge section, not the mid-range section.
 * The consulate section is still in its infancy.
 * The pharmacies section needs some expansion. Weblinks and perhaps also coordinates.
 * Some of the coordinates recently inserted by Ypsilon needs a check up. There are a few errors (like the Hotel Guldsmeden) and some minor corrections that needs to be made (some places are placed slightly off their true location).
 * I have thought about adding a couple of images to the Drink section.
 * I have been thinking about adding a section about non-alcohol activities and spots in the nightlife in Aarhus.

Feel welcome to comment and add things. RhinoMind (talk) 15:19, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

It has been mentioned that the article is long. If this is seen as a problem, we could perhaps make separate pages on Eating in Aarhus and/or Drink and nightlife in Aarhus? I don't think any reduction of content is constructive, as everything is there for a reason. On the contrary, new stuff would in fact need to be included in the coming years. I have left out many notable spots, simply because they are brand new and might change or close down, even if they are notable (Eat: Aarhus Street Food, Kulbroen, Aarhus Central Food Market, Sjette Frederiks Kro, Clemens Gastro, Ricks (Morrocan), Köd, Frederiksgade 42 (80% vegetarian, superb), and more. Drink: Mikellers, Ølsnedkeren, La Plage Deux, Ginbar and others). Overall it is perhaps too ambitious to try and include everything about the city in one page only. I have no plans for separate pages right now personally, but just wants to make sure the subject is mentioned and opened for discussion in this section. RhinoMind (talk) 15:38, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

 * If the værtshus section is relevant for other parts of Denmark too, then do by all means move it there. I agree about the hotels and classifications, prices are from the hotels' home pages for random dates about one month ahead and some of the mid-range prices are indeed a bit high compared to the rest there. The Consulate sections is indeed not ready, but we do have time to fix it and it is maybe not the most important section given that consulates to my understanding can do much less than embassies can. Agree for the pharmacies. For the coordinates, well, I checked up the location on Google maps and then took the coordinates from our dynamic map. There seems to be two addresses for Hotel Guldsmeden in Aarhus, one on Råhøj Alle 7A (which I found first used) and another one which I just found and assume is the right one. Go ahead adding photos if you like; a good rule is that there should be so many photos that readers always see at least part of a photo, but on the other hand there should not be so many that they are packed like sardines. Feel free to add non-alcohol and other nightlife things if you like.
 * It's not a problem that the article is as long as it is now but please keep in mind that WV isn't and shouldn't be the yellow pages with everything from A to Ø. FYI we never make "Eating in X" and similar articles on Wikivoyage (city articles can be broken down into districts if needed). ϒpsilon (talk) 18:08, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Lists Hi. I'm relieved that the length of things will not be an issue in itself. However, I acknowledge and also agree with the general rule of avoiding a "yellow pages" development with extensive lists instead of generalized descriptions and text blocks. And I already believe that this page is too "listy" as it is. The reason behind it is not that I personally prefer lists, but it has been a natural development. Most sections presented lists when I came around and I just wanted to fill out the blanks, adding important places, diversifying both geographically and content-wise. And when you add like this, long lists will naturally emerge, piece by piece. Perhaps it is time to transform the lists in some sections into some generalized text? The "Riverside" paragraph in the "Drink" section is ripe for such a transformation I think. I feel I have gained an overview myself and can try to present som alternative text instead of the long list in the near future. What do you think? RhinoMind (talk) 13:42, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

 * Listings are a useful way of presenting information and deconstructing them into plain text will likely make the content less informative to users. In large, I'd say Eat, Drink and the other central parts of the article are good as they are. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:19, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

The Eat section
Hi. I think the current sectionizing should be changed from budget, mid-range and splurge to cuisine types.

It is sufficient to mention price-ranges at specific places. Within each cuisine section, spots can also be arranged according to price-range.

Why? If you eat out, the most important thing is the cuisine type, and then (perhaps) the price-range. Sectionizing according to cuisine type will also present a much more coherent and less chaotic overview of the food-scene altogether. Most cuisine types spans at least two price-ranges, grouping according to cuisine type (asian, barbecue, international gourmet, Seafood, Steakhouse, etc. for example) is the most natural and less confusing way forward - even more so if more places are added later on.

RhinoMind (talk) 03:55, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

 * You consider the cuisine first if money isn't a fundamental factor for you. But I have no problem with separating restaurants by cuisine, as long as they are subdivided by price category when that makes the list more user-friendly. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:21, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

 * Yes, price can be first priority to some people occassionally. But there is already a price info slot available in each listing-box. So sorting by cuisine-type would still provide price-range info to the traveller.
 * One concrete example of why I believe cuisine-type sorting is needed at this point, is "Barbecue & burgers" (as a preliminary headline). Burger menus at some quality burger spots are DKK 100-150, while at most of the spots it is DKK 80-100. If we sort by cuisine-type we can describe the scene in a simple and coherent way, while still providing price-range info. If we don't, we would have to split the description across several sections. Just stating this for the sake of ducumentation.
 * If also agrees - which seems to be the case -, we could now proceed with a cuisine-type categorization. RhinoMind (talk) 21:10, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * All this being said, I would also like to mention, that a general description of the budget-priced food scene could be inserted in the beginning of the Eat section. That would probably be helpful to readers. There is already some rudimentary description in the article as is that could be elaborated on. RhinoMind (talk) 21:17, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

With User:DethDestroyerOfWords recent edits, I was wondering why the alphabetic ordering was so crucial? Originally I have tried to order the spots by importance and sometimes price. I know this kind of approach might only make sense to me perhaps, but is an alphabetical ordering absolutely necessary? RhinoMind (talk) 21:17, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

 * I think we are talking about the same thing: Primary division of the "Eat" section would be by cuisine, and then within each cuisine type, there would be subsections by price. In terms of what order to use: The only really logical orders would be alphabetical or by geographic location. Trying to maintain a list in order of importance or quality would be a nightmare. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:19, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * yeah you are right I guess. As it is a dynamic scene/page it would become outdated and a chore to maintain perhaps. RhinoMind (talk) 21:24, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

I do indeed agree that by type is a good way to sort these since I feel it showcases all the diversity on offer in Aarhus and I assume most travelers start by thinking about what kind of food they want to eat, followed by what they can afford. I was always under the assumption that the reason alphabetizing was "pushed" so hard is because it promotes fairness (you put the A's at the top of the list, not the "most important" or "best" listing/ it's more impartial and easier to defend). EDIT: Since RhinoMind and I seem to be on the same page, I'm going to move forward with food category as the top level, with price range subcategories. This probably won't happen until after the weekend, so let me know if you think we need more consensus before I do so. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 22:40, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think more participation is needed. Here is the guideline from WV:Listings: Alphabetical order should be used whenever there's no more appropriate logical order (e.g. price, distance, north-south, day of the week, etc.). Where a non-alphabetical order is used, it should be explained if necessary. Somewhere, cuisine type was recognized as a proper order; I can't find that right now, but "e.g." means the list that follows is not exhaustive (etc. means the same thing). Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:02, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thx for noting these guidelines. RhinoMind (talk) 17:54, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

In the wake of our discussion I have now implemented some of the changes we have been talking about. Most of what was in the Mid-range and Splurge sections went into a new International Gourmet section. There was, however, two places from the Mid-range section that I was unsure of where to put, so I place them here until their placement can be settled:

RhinoMind (talk) 17:57, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Drink (order)
With the recent edits, alphabetical order has been enforced in the place listings.

In the Drink section I originally sorted and listed most places according to geography, ie. how one would encounter each place on a walk about, with the exception of Frederiksberg, Latin Quarter and Other places. I don't think an alphabetical order is helping here. RhinoMind (talk) 22:47, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I think geography is a good way to sort the drink listings into categories, but within the categories (how it currently is with Frederiksberg, Latin Quarter, etc.) have it alphabetical. To show places in relation to one another would be a good candidate for a map. Otherwise, unless the traveler reads the discussion page, they may not be able to parse why listings are ordered the way they are. If their order is called out beneath the description of the geographic subcategory, this might be an ok compromise. As it stands, alphabetization is (mostly) the standard and I can't think of many (any) articles that use another method of listing organization without getting that scary "manual of style violation" banner. tl;dr: I think we can break the rules, but we should make it obvious why.
 * Yeah, you might be right about the Mos Violation. I don't know much about these policies actually and that is one reason I raised these issues here.
 * Frederiksgade, River side and Skolegade are all streets and I still believe that sorting by geography within these sections is the best and most useful way of presenting them. We could simply add something like "The spots in this section has been ordered by geography" or "If you walk down this street you will encounter each place in the following order:" or similar. RhinoMind (talk) 23:13, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * (Spots have been ordered, not has been ordered, FYI, though I would use the word "listings".) Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:57, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Alt banners
It seems a shame all the pretty colors are only within a third of the current banner image. Personally, I also find the article a bit long. Half short, twice strong. Just my opinion. Overall, very high quality, nice job! --ButteBag (talk) 01:24, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

 * I prefer the current banner, which is more colorful! I also like seeing the clear shape from looking at more of it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:09, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

 * I prefer the current one as well. Very compelling destination! The others sort of look like there is a color filter issue with the image. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:11, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

 * Philistines! You are fake news, lol!
 * I would argue the alt banners are clearly more colorful, the current one is only like 30-40% color. I do agree the alt crops are missing the rainbow-spectrum-shift-thing, which I'm guessing is what you're referring to, and I would have liked to preserve. They also don't capture (as strongly) the "halo" design of the museum, but I don't think that's a big deal. Generally, I think the banner should capture the "feeling" or "emotion" of a place, and not its "rational" side. To my eye the alts are so clearly "better", I was genuinely surprised to see you guys preferring the original! And yeah, Aarhus looks way cool and this article is really making me want to go there! Thanks to all for all the hard work! --ButteBag (talk) 14:45, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Length of "Eat" and "Drink"
Just a comment about the length. the Eat and Drink section takes up a lot of space and is mostly responsible for the long article. They could both be cut down of course, but at the expense of what some considers important information. We have discussed the issue before and I suggsted to write up summarizing sections to descrbe the overall scene in some respects, instead of extensive listings, but I think we agreed that listings were a good thing. I also suggested to move lenghty listings and descriptions to a separate new article about Eat (Aarhus) and Drink (Aarhus), but that is not possible within the scope of Wikivoyage I was told.

There a some important points to consider when discussing the lenght of the article. I have tried to summarize the most important:
 * There are many layers of the city within the Eat and Drink spheres and it is important to provide some information about each layer at least, it is difficult to present the whole scene from a singular perspective. It would be short, yes, but a bit pointless and only helpful to first-time visitors on a short stay.
 * I have tried intentionally to include information that would be helpful to both first-time visitors, returning visitors, foreign students and Danish students (from other parts of the country mostly) and residents even (who tend to be a bit ignorant about the different layers of the city outside their own circles:-)
 * There aren't any thorough (or useful imo) information available anywhere about Aarhus as a travel destination. Visit Aarhus is perhaps the best, but it is fragmented, flawed and not as good as it could be imo. Travel books are generally plain awful when it comes to Aarhus. Sorry.
 * We are currently working on a new version of the Eat section, by presenting it cuisine-wise instead of price-wise. The work is in progress and it appears a bit confusing as is imo. It will hopefully improve.
 * The Budget Eat section is perhaps a bit extensive, even though more could certianly be added to fit out the obvious gaps. I was convinced that it is important to include such information for the many young travellers and young residents? If you judge otherwise, please comment. When the cuisine-categorization have been implemented, the budget options could be cut down. But is that preferrable? RhinoMind (talk) 16:12, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

 * Why would the budget options be cut down instead of moved to the cuisine sections and defined as budget options within those sections? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:25, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi. No, it was just presented as an option. It could, perhaps be trimmed if needed. I am in favor of a Budget Eat overview and would like to make the current one better, rather than cutting it down. But the article length was made an issue and I was just relating to that.
 * Anyway, I might be taking User:ButteBag comment above way to seriously. Maybe length is not an issue at all? RhinoMind (talk) 16:32, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Check out Chicago/Bridgeport-Chinatown for a star article example of how to put sub-sections within the standard "Budget", "Mid-range", etc. I have no idea what I'm talking about, but if you've got 70+ listings for "See", "Eat", "Buy", and overview sections leading into every sub-section, you could think about districtification? That might create more problems than it solves for you? I just know for me personally, too many options overwhelm me pretty quickly and I start to glaze over. Good info is good info however, so I guess it's more of an organizational issue. Good luck! This is a great problem to have. --ButteBag (talk) 18:47, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. " I just know for me personally, too many options overwhelm me pretty quickly and I start to glaze over" I certainly hear you :-)
 * Ideally, just like you, I would like pages to be short and concise and only mention a few selected spots. a pocket-size version so to speak. But this page grew and grew. Mostly because of the "layer" thing I mentioned earlier. I was actually planning on leaving this page, as I felt it summarized things in a good way without the information overload problem. I will, however, leave it for other people to judge.
 * I had considered the distrification approach earlier, but it would be a little tricky to make it work for this town. Maybe it can be used somehow, anyway. RhinoMind (talk) 19:01, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Structure of "Eat"
I just had a look, because a User:86.52.49.51 has substituted the word "Splurge" for specific pricing information in some "price" tabs. So now there is no clearly viewable pricing information. I think that's not so good. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:30, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi. That was me, not logging is unfortunately. I didn't delete any info, I just moved detailed numbers to the text and inserted a Budget, Mid-range, Splurge evaluation. It's not a big deal so the reverts of my anonymous edits are ok (for me). RhinoMind (talk) 15:30, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * But the issue remains that there are no subsections according to price. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:47, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what you mean. Sorry. RhinoMind (talk) 21:16, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I think Ikan is saying you should reorganize the Eat listings more like this, check out how they do it in the Chicago link I posted above:

Eat
 * Budget
 * Barbecue
 * Pizza
 * Traditional
 * Mid-range
 * Barbecue
 * Pizza
 * Traditional
 * Splurge
 * Barbecue
 * Pizza
 * Traditional

(I think you have it the other way around currently.) --ButteBag (talk) 21:44, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

 * The other way round is fine with me, but I would like to see clear price categories within each cuisine type. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:51, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

 * Thx for explaining. I was actually trying to put Budget, Mid-range and Splurge tags in each listing when I was reverted. I did it anonymously unfortunately, as I forgot to log in, but the revert left me confused. I can take it up again of course. RhinoMind (talk) 12:49, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

 * I didn't see tags; I saw such words in "price", where they're less helpful than actual pricing information. What I'm suggesting is that there should be actual separate sub-sections based on price for each cuisine section. Do you understand? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:53, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

 * Hi. Perhaps. And then, not really.
 * What you feel is missing are headlines clearly saying Budget, Mid-rang and Splurg, within each cuisine section? I get that.

 * As things are, stuff is ordered a bit like this:
 * price examples and numbers in the text for listings
 * Budget, Mid-range and Splurge tags in the price section (displayed at the end of each listing)
 * Natural ordering of listings according to a progressive price. (ie. budget options in the beginning of sections, then mid-range and splurge at the end)
 * I was trying to finish this structuring and implement it fully. With such a structure, extra headlines saying B, MR and S could of course easily be implemented, but it's obsolete. I have to say.
 * Question: I don't see how #1 and #2 above can be a problem. I thought it was helpful in understanding which spots are B, MR or S? Could someone perhaps explain why it is such a negative thing? I don't get that. RhinoMind (talk) 14:32, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

 * It's best to see prices at a glance. I think the way you could do it would be to put "Splurge" and then the price range of the restaurant in the "price" tab. That way, you cover both bases. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:06, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

First, I'm currently seeing the structure as

Eat Barbecue Budget Mid Splurge Pizza budget mid splurge etc etc etc

and I quite prefer the way it current is. I feel like you'd have to repeat the blurb for every food type if you did it the Chicago way / way suggested further up. I'd like to confirm that this is the way we have agreed to do it for this article.

Second, I think what User:Ikan Kekek is bringing up about the words budget, mid, and splurge, is that within the restaurant listing themselves, instead of a price (such as DKK 70-85) they have the word budget, mid-range, or splurge. This shows up at the end of the listing so if someone is skimming it is difficult to see at a glance even if an average price is entered elsewhere in the listing. Example bolded below

Not quite ideal

Better

Please confirm that I am interpreting this correctly, I'd hate to unintentionally undo or mess up any hard work.

Third, I feel like this article is just a little too small to break into districts, but getting a bit too large. I'd like to see some pruning happen, perhaps in the explanatory text found at the start of food type sections. It's difficult, because much of the information is valuable. With the changes made since the last time I perused this article, I do think readability has improved by the food type first, price second structure. I don't think we should take district-ification off the table (and would be in support of it if others saw the value of it) but I think it is okay as is. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 15:49, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

 * Yes, you're interpreting my opinion accurately in all cases. The "Eat" section is looking better to me now, but there are some sections in which the first subsection is the name of the cuisine, then followed by "Mid-range", with "Budget" assumed at the beginning ("Asian" is like that). I don't like the assumption and would start the "Asian" section with a "Budget" subtitle. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:58, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

 * Hi. About price listings. I think Kekek answered that question. I recognize that there are general guidelines to Wikivoyage AND that this is suppossed to be a work of consensus by several authors. So all in all, I am ok with what you guys agrees on here. But ... I would also like to state that I personally prefered #1 over #2 in your post. Why? Because it contains more info and because, in my view, "Mid-range with budget options" is quite useful (instead of very limited and specific price examples only). Also, places have been listed with increasing price level, so it is very easy to get, even if someone is skimming. That was the rationale behind this section.
 * About districtification. I am not in favor of that for this city. It is too small geographically in my opinion. Nearly all the action is taking place in the city centre, so it would just make things excessively complicated if we split by geography. Especially, if the split would involve splitting the city centre up. It makes sense for Copenhagen, but not for a city like Aarhus. That is my opinion at the moment. RhinoMind (talk) 19:02, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

We need to do some pruning
This article is really really long. It has a ton of great content but I feel it's starting to get lost in itself. The solution to this is distrifiation (which has been brought up before and vetoed due to the small geography) or pruning. The first target should be the go next section. The manual of style says that these shouldn't be detailed listings for locations. I think standard interpretation of this has, in execution, been the name of the article/link, an em dash, and a single line summary of the location. I suggest the go next stuff be added to either the places they reside in or be moved up a level (put into East Jutland article, if applicable) if they don't fit in any one city/town article. You could then add something like: East Jutland — the surrounding countryside has many attractions off the beaten path. As a replacement for the attractions that get moved out/into that article. I wanted to bring this up to get feedback before I started doing my namesake and destroying words and moving stuff around. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 14:01, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

 * I have taken a run through to fix time formatting per WV:TDF and currency formatting per WV:$, remove words to avoid per WV:WTA, and fix dead Links. I agree that it has a lot of listings in some sections, and is reaching more encyclopedic length rather than guide length, but I have no knowledge of the city, so would not be a good person to prune the article. Ground Zero (talk) 01:39, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, the overuse of emphasis -- "right next to" and "just across from" -- renders the emphasis meaningless. If the emphasis is used everytime, or almost every time, it loses its impact. We can lose the extra words without changing the meaning. Also, we should avoid using relative descriptions of time -- "recently", "40 years ago", "newly renovated" -- as the readers don't know when this was written, so those terms have no meaning. It is better to indicate the year or the period (e.g., "mid-1980s"). Ground Zero (talk) 01:54, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Good ideas. I just need to state that there exist no other travel or tourist information on Aarhus as coherent, informative and useful as what is presented here in this article. For this, and other reasons, I would not support any destruction of information. RhinoMind (talk) 03:27, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * RhinoMind, if you're dead-set on preserving all the information you've added, perhaps districtification is the way to go. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:51, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi. I'm not dead-set on anything. This is not my page, it's everybody's page. I just state an important fact and based on that fact I aired my personal opinion. Other editors are entitled to their differing opinions, but it would require at least some rudimentary argumentation on their part.
 * About ditrictification: Also in this regard, I have stated some basic facts (in a relevant thread above), facts that make a distrification unsuitable or at least problematic for this city. Everyone interested in a districtification would at least have to relate to these basic facts and present their ideas of districtiifaction in a way so other editors can understand what it would actually mean. How would you (anyone) districtify this city when 90% of activities and topics described in this article takes place in the Aarhus C district?
 * (in case nobody noticed, I have added the "District" section lately. This could prove helpful to editors interested in working out how to districtify)
 * Just to inform everybody, I have been planning on offering my personal (and updated) guide to Aarhus online. In this way I can make my own assessments and judgments and present a useable guide to this city in a way that I myself feel is best, most coherent and useful to travellers, residents, immigrants, etc.. At this point, I don't think I have much more to offer to this page content-wise and this will probably be a good time to leave it to other interested editors. RhinoMind (talk) 17:12, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

@DethDestroyerOfWords Btw. As I think was also stated in an earlier thread when the subject of length was discussed previously, the sections that make this page long are "Eat", "Drink" and "Go next" sections. Just stating.

Small question
I am copy editing, so far finding only minor things that look like slips where non-native English speakers have not been idiomatic. One sentence has me baffled, though:
 * The park is quite lively in the summer, as people tend to flock here as soon as the Sun is out.

Does that mean as soon as it goes down in the evening? Or as soon as it comes up in the morning? I would read it as the latter but am not sure what was meant. Pashley (talk) 23:32, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

 * Given the location is in Denmark (not well known for hot summer nights), I would assume it means "when the sun rises" --Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:05, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

 * As soon as it is sunny (i.e. not cloudy or rainy) Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:31, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
 * As a Canadian, I would interpret that as being seasonal -- the first warm day of spring, even if there is still snow on the ground. But I haven't been to Denmark yet. Ground Zero (talk) 02:08, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

 * Hi. I'm a bit late, but it just means "when the sun is shining". As Hobbitschuster and Ground Zero. It is British English. RhinoMind (talk) 01:24, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

New pages?
Hi.

We have talked about this before on this TalkPage, but think it might be time to discuss it again. I think it would be a good idea to write a separate food-page for Aarhus. It is an important topic for this city and one that could be even better than what is presented right now. When we discussed the extent of the article in the past, some pointed out that this was not possible within the scope of WikiVoyage. Instead, dividing info into new district-based pages was suggested. While that could perhaps be an improvement too, I wasn't sure how to do that myself, and it seemed that no-one else weren't sure or willing to engage with it neither. I think perhaps it's time to discuss division once again? I have recently added a bit of info relating to the outer districts and perhaps more will be required in the near future.

Is districtifying the only possible way forward regarding division of info? Is a subject-based approach (like food fx) completely ruled out? Does anybody have any constructive ideas on how to proceed with a useful division from where we are now? Do you even think it would improve anything or maybe make things worse if we create new pages for Aarhus?

What are peoples thoughts on all of this? RhinoMind (talk) 19:27, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

 * It's very helpful to readers to have all the information in the same article. Every other city has information about places to eat in the article, unless all templated listings including eat listings are farmed out to district articles. Normally, the solutions to having too many listings are either districting or getting rid of some listings that are judged not to be that important. I think that if you'd like to argue for separate pages for restaurant listings, that's really a policy suggestion that should be brought up, I guess, in the Travellers' pub because I can't think of where else it would be discussed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:34, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

 * We do have travel topics for all sorts of travel-related things including Food, but as of now not even world cities have separate articles for their restaurants. ϒpsilon (talk) 05:48, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! RhinoMind (talk) 22:20, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

International gourmet
Hi. I have moved Stechers from the front to this TalkPage for several reasons. While it is probably a great place to eat, it doesn't fit in the section at hand and more importantly, there are other spots in Aarhus deserving to be mentioned first if more spots are to be added to the International gourmet Mid-range section. Let me explain:

Stechers is Spanish and not international gourmet. Also, Stechers seems to be an informal bar first and foremost, not a regular restaurant.

Stechers is voted high on Tripadvisor, but only from a total of 28 votes. If there is room for more places to be listed in the International gourmet Mid-range section, there are many other well-renowned places that deserves a mention before Stechers.
 * Brasserie Belli has been around for many years and is respected and wellknown for its quality kitchen. On Tripadvisor Belli has a score of 4/5 from 205 votes and earned a mention in the Michelin Guide for its good cooking.
 * Pondus has been around for several years and has also proved itself on the Aarhus scene. It is certainly international gourmet in style and intent, a little brother to Michelin restaurant Substans. On Tripadvisor Pondus has a score of 4 from 109 votes and it earned a Bib Gourmand.
 * Møf has also been around for long enough to prove itself. On Tripadvisor Møf has a score of 4.5/5 from 81 votes, and - perhaps more importantly - earned a mention in the Michelin Guide for its good cooking.
 * Frederiksgade 42 has been around for long enough to prove itself on the Aarhus food scene. On Tripadvisor Frederiksgade 42 has earned a score of 4.5/5 from 95 votes and is included in the Michelin Guide for its good cooking.
 * CANBlau has also been around for several years and have proved to be a wellrespected restaurant with a high quality kitchen. On Tripadvisor CANBlau has a score of 4.5/5 from 511 votes.

I could mention more places (Mejeriet fx) that deserves a place in the article before Stechers.

Do you have any comments or ideas of what should be done from here, please post below. Would be great with some constructive feedback. RhinoMind (talk) 19:02, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

I cut this from the main article:

Letbane on the map
Can we please get the Letbane to show up on the dynamic map? Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:40, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

The restaurant scene post-Corona
The food scene has seen quite some changes due to the extensive lock-downs during Corona. It seems that the lock-downs are all over now, and has been for about a year now. The economic hardship that followed turned the food scene upside down. The changes are not over yet, as many places still struggle with the finances.

I have tried to update the Eat section a little bit, but haven't done a total make-over.

RhinoMind (talk) 01:59, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

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 * I don't see this in the article, but I also think there may be too many photos in a row in some places and question the need for right-justified photos. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:30, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Parking
Hello RhinoMind,

browsing information about Aarhus I came across this article about Aarhus.

I was just blown away by the content. Detailed and really fascinating information. It looks like you have done really good research and this article is noteworthy and extremely useful for visitors and residents of the city.

When I vsited to your page, I saw that you were born in Aarhus. So, who can describe it better than someone who knows this city from the inside.

I thought it would be worth adding to this article some information about parking lots in Aarhus? what do you think about it? I have recently been there on business and used the parking service. It was especially important for me to find coworking space or meeting rooms nearby. I can share the link and information about this parking.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. TomKel1 (talk) 09:01, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Abashiri

So what is it? Is the seafood cheap or is it not cheap? Goddammit, if you're going to add something in an edit like that fix your contradiction.

This article could do with more fact and less opinion, eg an admission charge of 1050 yen would seem reasonable to me. Just give the facts and let the reader decide.

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Banner
Terrible banner. An overcast day. Nurg (talk) 08:15, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Aberdeen

What is the currant population of Aberdeen ages between 16-24 year old males? - (An Anonymous User)
 * What does the age group population matter to a traveler? If you want to get this information you should probably go visit the website for the National Statistical Office for the United Kingdom. But, be warned, you first need to define what you mean by:

 * 1) Aberdeen - What area are we talking about? The urban area or the area administered by the local authority?
 * 2) Current Population - Do you mean as at today? or the last Census? and do you mean ordinarily resident, or on census day? Will an estimate do? or do you need exact numbers? And what about internal migration corrections for people who shifted after the last census?
 * 3) Ages between 16-24 years old - Does this include or exclude 16 year olds or 24 year olds? On what day are they this age? And how do you account for aging of the agegroup cohort between the last census and today?
 * As you can see the answer is not that simple. -- (WT-en) Huttite 04:32, 13 Jan 2006 (EST)

From what I see as I walk around, the number is in the high millions. (WT-en) Martin Leng 17:00, 30 April 2006 (EDT) There are no 16-24 year old currants in Aberdeen except for a packet sitting on the shelf in my Auntie's larder in Northfield. In any event its nae possible tae tell if they're male or female and they're no for sale..

To Guide
I'm about to go to sleep and haven't read through the whole article, so I'm putting this up mostly as a placeholder, but my reaction is that this is a really appealing destination with a copiously illustrated article (arguably too copiously illustrated, as there are two pictures of Johnston Gardens), and it would be nice for the article to be a Guide and in good enough condition to nominate and run as a Destination of the Month. I've never been to Scotland. What work is needed to prepare this article for its closeup? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:21, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

 * I visited Aberdeen for the day a few months ago, and the article seemed in good shape then. It would be good to have more lat/longs and the article needs to updated to reflect the economic impact of the dramatic fall in oil prices in the last couple of years - I was not there long enough to see the impact of this, but I know that jobs have been lost. AlasdairW (talk) 09:55, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * A little late to weigh in, but . . . the article has a lot of content that is general to Aberdeenshire, or Scotland, or any cold damp climate. I'm gradually re-assigning or condensing, eg "Buy" doesn't need a long list of standard High Street shops. Grahamsands (talk) 21:21, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * PS The banner pic is wrong - this is the rugged Aberdeenshire coastline at Stonehaven. We need a pic of the grey granite architecture, with Victorian spires and ships on a cobalt sea. Grahamsands (talk) 22:35, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * It's never too late to weigh in or to improve an article. Thanks for giving your input. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:35, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

New Banner
Following the observation above that the banner is not of Aberdeen, which I hadn't noticed as the view is similar to that from Aberdeen Beach, here are 3 alternative suggestions. 1) is an existing commons image which was already the right ratio, and parks are one of the features of Aberdeen. 2) is a panorama, a nice view looking to the sea, but not totally in focus when viewed close up. 3) Is Marischal College, possibly the best known building in the city. AlasdairW (talk)
 * My preference is 3, 1, 2. AlasdairW (talk) 00:19, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Marischal College is an attractive and distinctive building, but banner 3 has that building-falling-backwards-into-the-picture effect. I've added another option to try to avoid that. My preferences are 4, 1, 3, 2. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:13, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * That's a tougher one. My favorite is #2. Beyond that, it's hard to say, but perhaps 4, 1, and 3? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 01:17, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * 1 The park is nice but municipal, could be Hamilton Ontario or anyplace. 2 puts the river foreground, emphasises the modern city, and pushes the sea to the background, all kinda opposite to the story. 3 suggests a woozy day after a bevy on the heavy. 4 is best and would serve, seems over-cropped, misses the element of the sea and the harbour right in the heart of the city. Grahamsands (talk) 14:15, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments. Are there any images on Commons (1800 pixels wide or wider) which you would suggest as alternatives? I would be happy to crop any photos that are suggested. I am not sure where you would need to stand to get the ideal image with "granite architecture and a cobalt blue sea". I recall seeing warehouses and modern amusement arcades next the beach. AlasdairW (talk) 21:02, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Tempting to suggest a plain matt grey banner, to convey the point that on a dreich day with louring cloud coming off a winter sea, you can lose the entire grey city in between. I didn't spot anything on Commons that improves on 4, which itself is an improvement on current. The other pix there tend to suit a vertical format, Victorian spires over grey canyons of streets. Grahamsands (talk) 19:57, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

I have changed the banner to 4, which is certainly an improvement for the moment. 3 and 4 were created from the same original photo, but I thought that the image was too "slopping", but maybe went too far rotating it to correct this, AlasdairW (talk) 22:20, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Images
There are a whole bunch of images in a row, which is contrary to the guidelines at Image policy, but toward the end of the article, there's a bunch of blank space. So it would be great if the images were spaced out more. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:38, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I have moved some images down the page, and removed 2 images that didn't appear to be useful. There may be some scope for further work. AlasdairW (talk) 22:22, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Copyvio?
Two poems are quoted in an info box. Normally even a single line of poetry is protected by copyright for 70 years after the author's death. Can we have a note added if it's been checked that this usage is "fair dealing", otherwise out they must go. Grahamsands (talk) 21:21, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Annand Taylor died in 1960, so next year will only be the 60th since her death. However, Crichton Smith died much more recently, in 1997. The poems were originally added to the article in 2015 by User:Jackofhearts101, who is no longer active. The user did not provide any indication that the poems were free from copyright, and I haven't found copies of the poems published online in a few minutes of looking. All in all, it would probably be safest to remove them.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:31, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Aberystwyth

Pubs
Added a link to the list of 61 bars in aber on flickr.

Supermarkets
Changed Safeways to Morrisons, just a bit of an update

content of external links section
There's lots of information on Aberystwyth about:
 * Aberystwyth Guide
 * AberInfo - The Aberystwyth Guide
 * Aberystwyth-online.co.uk
 * Aberystwyth website
 * AberWiki, a student wiki
 * Wireless Access Points in Aberystwyth

see Where did the "External links" sections go?

"True capital of Wales"?
Who actually calls Aberystwyth the "True Capital of Wales"? Machynlleth is known as the "Ancient Capital of Wales" - could this be the source of the confusion?

 * On this web site from Aberystwyth University it refers to the town as the "True Cultral Capital of Wales," not the 'True Capital'. Perhaps that's what the original contributor wanted to say. What do you think? (WT-en) WindHorse 11:48, 25 February 2007 (EST)

Adding to this article
In good faith I tried to improve & flesh out aspects of this article but it appears that changes aren't really welcome at Wikivoyage (thanks for pointing this out, WindHorse). Shame.

Welsh Vs English names
For the sake of clarity I think that is a better to place the less common of the two names in brackets. When the two names are divided by a slash they could be mistaken for one long name, especially if the names are short. At least that's my opinion, but if you feel strongly about it, then use the slash. There is really not that much difference. (WT-en) WindHorse 11:42, 25 February 2007 (EST) Ps. I'm sorry I couldn't communicate with you directly, but you don't have a Talk page.

Promote to Guide status?
What does it take to promote this article to Guide? /Yvwv (talk) 00:14, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Abidjan

Royal Security & Trust
Is there a company name Royal Security & Trust Incorporated in Abidjan?

By boat, from Côte d'Ivoire
I removed the following paragraph from Côte d'Ivoire ([//en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=C%C3%B4te_d%27Ivoire&oldid=2697809 this version]). I think the paragraph has nothing to do in that section and hardly in the country article at all. Here is already something similar, but for those who might want to merge the two:

 * Abidjan has a beautiful evening ride on the lagoon in the city for tourists. It might not be breath taking, but is a very good pleasure trip. Daily, hundreds of Ivorians take the lagoon route to reach offices on the port side.

--LPfi (talk) 13:08, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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 * No FoP in Côte d'Ivoire, hard to defend this image on Commons. We should upload it locally if we want it, but currently we use another image, which probably does not violate copyright (this one is in use via Wikidata, it seems). –LPfi (talk) 20:02, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

 * The image on the article shows nothing. If we want an image that actually shows what that strange building looks like, we should upload the file that'll be deleted soon. I don't really care, though, because it doesn't really appeal to me, so I'll leave that decision to others. If we decide not to upload this file, I think we should remove the other one from the article, as I think it's pretty useless. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:21, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

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Abilene is not in the Texas panhandle.
 * For geographical hierarchy purposes, I think we'd better let it be in the panhandle region, at least until someone changes the map scheme. The map in the Panhandle article shows it just down at the south edge of the region. (WT-en) Texugo 03:08, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

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cleanup needed big time. --72.73.92.225 21:36, 19 October 2008 (EDT) pics look copyvio

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Talk:Abita Springs

I moved the template that was here to the article, since it was better than what was already there. I have one question though. Whereabouts in Louisiana is Abita Springs a city? East, West, North, South, Region, County, next nearest town, etc. How do I get there to have a drink? And when I do get there, on what street is the drinking establishment? - (WT-en) Huttite 07:02, 20 January 2009 (EST)

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July 3rd 2005: This page should really be called "Abitibi-Témiscamingue" and not "Abitibi". Abitibi and Témiscamingue are two different things, but the administrative region is really "Abitibi-Témiscamingue".
 * Does anyone object to this move? Ground Zero (talk) 08:13, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

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