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Talk:Low-cost airlines in North America

Agree with removal of comparision sites. One in particular keeps gettting re-posted - by the owner of the site is my guess. Same IP address.

We should remove those price comparison sites - violation of extlink policy. If we include them, we slide down the slippery slope of web directory and having to provide links to similar sites of all kinds (travel agencies, etc etc etc). -- (WT-en) Nils 01:23, 23 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * Nils, can you provide a primary source link directly into airline reservation systems like Amadeus or Sabre? I'll answer myself: no, of course you can't, because they don't allow the general public free access. And that's why the only way to comparison shop is to use a third party, who is paying for the license.  And no, this is not a slippery slope: Limit the price comparison sites to the three or four biggest (rank by Alexa if you insist) and that's it.

 * You know full well that the external link policy is disputed right now, so go dispute it and leave borderline links alone for now. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:36, 23 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * The primary source in this case would be the airline itself, most of which will have online reservation systems. And if you paid any attention, you will note I *AM* leaving borderline cases alone. Just drawing attention to them. Get a grip. -- (WT-en) Nils 06:51, 23 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * The whole point of using a price comparison site is to avoid individually checking 17 different airline engines, many of which don't offer discounted fares in the first place. And until now you've certainly displayed a habit of deleting links before any discussion takes place... (WT-en) Jpatokal 14:54, 23 Jul 2004 (EDT)

Removed secondary links
These links were removed from the main article. It might not be a bad idea for someonen to go through them and see if there are any facts or primary links that should be incorporated into Wikivoyage.

 * Air Traveler's Handbook (FAQ) (somewhat out of date)
 * Air Travel sites (Google)

More comparison engines
I had these in my notes; if anyone has tried them and found them useful and not entirely obsoleted by the existing links, these should be added to the article page. -- (WT-en) Beland 20:14, 24 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * ITASoftware.com - Comprehensive listings (except for Southwest), but does not sell tickets.
 * SideStep.com - You install this as a browser plugin.
 * Mobissimo.com - Another browser plugin, perhaps more comprehensive.

Keeping fares low
Should we add a section in this article about how to keep fares low in the future? Some airlines give a variety of things passengers can do for prices to stay as low as possible. --(WT-en) Jr traveller 12:05, 22 December 2006 (EST)

Foreign comparison sites
I've nuked the following list as it's a total spam magnet and I find the claim dubious and the utility questionable. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:57, 10 June 2008 (EDT) Many foreign comparison sites also list domestic US flights. Sometimes they find cheaper fares than American sites.
 * No Frills Flights- compares prices of Low Cost Airlines. Global coverage
 * - Global coverage.
 * Opodo.com - A large European site.
 * Zuji.com - A large Asian site.
 * Vayama.com - A large Asian site.
 * Anyway.com - In French.
 * FlightMapper.net - Global coverage.

Nuked this section as well, spam target and rather useless. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 19:06, 24 December 2009 (EST)

 * Orbitz - Search engine that checks most major North American carriers; also allows you to specify a price, and get an e-mail when a suitable fare becomes available.

 * Travelocity - Search engine that checks most major North American carriers; good search options if going to a specific destination on a flexible schedule. Also has a Canadian site.

 * Priceline - Major North American carriers.  Offers a conventional price comparison with full flight details.  Also offers a "name your own price" feature where you can get a lower fare if you are willing to not know the airline and time of your departure (or other details, for other services) until after you commit to buying it. (For US departures only)
 * Before you make a bid on Priceline, go to Bidding for Travel to get advice on bidding strategies. You'll be amazed at how much cheaper you can get a hotel room than what's being quoted on the conventional travel sites.

 * HotWire - Major North American carriers.  You don't know the time of day your flight leaves until after you commit to buying it.

 * Kayak - Price comparison search engine that searches both other engines (like Orbitz and CheapTickets) and airline websites (like AA.com and United.com).

 * Eztrip - A price comparison engine that focuses on review orientated listings.

 * WiseTravelSearch - This sites helps you search and compare the top online travel agents (including Travelocity and Expedia) to find the best travel deals for flights, hotels, and vacations.  Also has a Canadian site.

 * SideStep -  - Price comparison search engine that searches both other engines (like Orbitz and CheapTickets) and airline websites (like AA.com and United.com).

 * Mobissimo - - Price comparison search engine that searches both other engines (like Orbitz and CheapTickets) and airline websites (like AA.com and United.com); only roundtrip searches available for now.

 * Travelmia - - Search engine that checks most major North American carriers for cheap airline tickets;  Good booking options like selecting your seats and live flight tracker.

 * Skytours - - Airline comparison engine that checks more than 500 airlines for cheap tickets. Lets you book open Jaw flights.

 * CheapOair - - Searches most North American, European, South American, Asian, African and South Pacific Airlines, Offers consolidator and published fares, Lists full flight details, provides a comprehensive flight summary for convenience. One of the very few travel sites which allows the user to book flights originating from a foreign country to the US and Canada.

 * Cheapairlines - - Offers discount airfare and cheap airline tickets on all the major airlines, offers travel planning advice, detailed travel guides and the Deal Finder Newsletter as well as offers deals on exclusive Villas in Puerto Morelos and Quadra Alea, Yucatan Peninsula, Mexico.

 * Lowfares - - Price comparison search engine that searches other engines (like Orbitz and CheapTickets) and airline websites such as Hawaiian Airlines. Shows pop ups when comparing other travel sites.

 * BidLessTravel.com - Cheap Priceline Flights & Travel Deals
 * Travelalerts.ca - Travel Deals from Canada
 * Travelzoo
 * Cheapflights.com News - Latest deals and flights information.
 * Cheaptickets.com - Click on the navigation tabs for Deals and Last Minute Trips.
 * Overstock.com - Click on the navigation tab for Travel.
 * LastMinute.com
 * Travelika.com - Deals from Canada
 * PickYourCity.com - Click on the navigation tabs for Deals and Last Minute Packages.
 * Cheapticket.co.uk - Deals from London.
 * Cheapairlines.com - Travel deals, discounts.
 * Cheapflights-to.net - Cheap prices for airlines tickets and special travel deals.
 * Asia.ca - Cheap Airfare to Asia from major cities in North America.
 * iflybusiness.com - Cheap business class travel from the USA to Worldwide.

U.S. Airways - A discount airline?
It is claimed that US Airways is a discount airline. Is there any evidence that their fares are systematically lower than other airlines? In my experience, they are not. America West was a discount airline, until it combined with USAir and raised the fares and diminished the service. They are members of the Star Alliance and, to my knowledge, are not systematically cheaper than their allies. --(WT-en) MidwestGeek 08:20, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

 * Don't they have a low-cost brand somewhere in that sprawling corporation? Otherwise, I agree, they're not a "budget" company. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:44, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Name change
This is nitpicky, I know, but I noticed that all the other articles about low-cost airlines are titled "Low-cost airlines in..." (Low-cost airlines in Africa, Low-cost airlines in Asia, and Low-cost airlines in Europe). Shouldn't we change this article to Low-cost airlines in North America, for the sake of consistency? PerryPlanet (talk) 17:03, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

 * I agree with you there, I nearly did it myself the other day. I'll get to work on the other airline articles tonight! --Nick (talk) 17:17, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

 * Done. --Nick (talk) 21:06, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Do we want to keep this page?
After all, there is a tendency to get rid of pages like low cost airlines in Europe...Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:05, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

 * The article is a bit of a mess and basically a dump of anyone's thoughts about what flying 'low cost' really is and crosses into general flying all the time. I believe it is redeemable, but it will require some work. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:21, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

 * There will also probably be a lot of overlap with air travel in the US Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:37, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

VFD discussion
If there is anything of value still left in this article (and if that is not horribly outdated) it should be covered in air travel in the US Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:45, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It looks like there's quite a bit of information there. Do you have specific concerns about it? Powers (talk) 03:23, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * First of all, is there any definition of low cost airline that is meaningful for the traveler and applies to the US? Some lcc charge more fees on stuff than the legacy airlines some don't charge much of anything for anything. Some are knee-crunching, some have a bit more legroom. Besides, we already have air travel in the US. And as for the travel options for active military... I don't even know whether that belongs here at all or is even up to date. We don't list special travel arrangements for people who work at Volkswagen or the Chinese railways, do we? Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:22, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

 * Delete - travel for US military servicepeople and relatives merits a separate article. Otherwise, it's a laundry list of random advice better covered by air travel in the US and air travel on a budget, some outdated airline trivia and a bit of spamlinking. It really doesn't serve the traveller much. PrinceGloria (talk) 08:28, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

 * Do not delete - If the content is duplicated elsewhere then merge and redirect. I see no justification for deletion. -- Ryan • (talk) • 00:55, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

 * Comment As far as I can tell no one has cited a valid reason as to why this article should be deleted rather than merged/redirected, so my inclination would be to close this VFD as a "keep" and have this discussion continue at Talk:Low-cost airlines in North America unless there are further arguments that would justify a deletion. -- Ryan • (talk) • 13:24, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Outcome: Kept. -- Ryan • (talk) • 04:46, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

So let's have this discussion, shall we?
As per the VFD that was closed for reasons I don't quite understand, there seems to be a remaining open question as to what to do with this here article, namely whether it should be merged or redirected somewhere (which, if I may say so, I don't think aids the traveler). I am firmly opposed to keeping as is and still in favor of deletion, but I am open to other proposals. If there is anything that could be salvaged for our (rather well written) air travel in the US article, please say so. As for the active military stuff... Is there even anybody in our editor-base who knows enough about this to make a smell test? Also, the military is a large employer in the US, but it is by no means the biggest employer in the world. I don't think we should cover every employee discount scheme - even if travel related - of even the biggest companies. Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:00, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * User:LtPowers, User:PrinceGloria, User:Wrh2 what do you say? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:54, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I largely agree with your points. My main concern is that Air travel in the United States has a different geographic scope than this article, so it might be hard to execute a proper merge. Powers (talk) 19:31, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Well this article makes scant mention of Canada and (almost) completely ignores Mexico and Central America. But yeah, I see the point. The Canada parts could be included in the Canada article (if they aren't already) or alternatively Air travel in Canada could be spun off, though I doubt there's enough material there, given that Canada has a bit less than one seventh of the population of the US... Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:37, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I think I commented above that I don't see any valuable content in this article that needs to be merged anywhere else. If one sees anything worth merging, I am fine with merging only into Air travel in the United States as, by implication, that would mean that nothing valuable regarding Canada, Mexico or anywhere else could be found here. Let's just get down with it - and this is a "you"-type of "us" as I am crazily busy in RL and cannot really help this time :( PrinceGloria (talk) 22:32, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Well I think there is no valuable target for redirecting this page and there seems to be no user who says "Wait this or that specific content is too valuable to disappear and should be merged into x". In this case I think deletion would be the natural consequence, but the vfd was closed and I won't reopen it, so we have to agree on the one minor point as to where to redirect this. air travel on a budget or air travel in the USA. I really don't care either way. I just want to get it over with. Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:07, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Air travel in the USA - it has a section on budget carriers specifically. PrinceGloria (talk) 01:02, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

I will wait a week or so more before redirecting this to air travel in the USA. Any views/opinions on this? Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:32, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Air travel on a budget might make more sense, due to the geographic scope discrepancy. K7L (talk) 20:38, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, I have no objection to that. Though, people who will get rerouted there due to some link (e.g. it popped up in the sidebar of our "North America" article), they might be looking for the air travel in the US article instead... Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:20, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * So.... Where do we merge? Air travel on a budget or air travel in the US? Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:38, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd go with air travel on a budget. PrinceGloria (talk) 17:59, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Do go ahead, Hobbitschuster! PrinceGloria (talk) 05:15, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Given that there have recently been edits to this article by someone not involved in this discussion, I wish to have their input before proceeding... Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:25, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Cheapskate's Guide to England

Eeew. If there's some info in that unreadable slew and it's not copied from somewhere else, it should be integrated into the main England article. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:31, 23 February 2007 (EST)

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Talk:Cheboksary

Parts of this text were extracted from a public domain source, US Government Department of Commerce:
 * Economic Overview of the Republic of Chuvashia

Hope you like it. --(WT-en) Nikai 20:33, 31 Mar 2005 (EST)

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Talk:Chechnya

Your Ignorance and biased of this artctle is very wrong. The rebel are not of Chechen decent but outsiders from the middle east. Who Came here and ethically cleansed Muslims who would not convert to there radical faith. They are considers enemies of Islam for radical believes.

Drink section
"Chechens are muslims and common sense should be taken when drinking alcohol", what the hell is that suppose to mean? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 130.208.135.138 (talk • contribs)

 * In my estimation, that statement would qualify as fatuous blather. But our philosophy is, if you see something wrong, fix it! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:32, 25 February 2008 (EST)

 * In my estimation, it would qualify as a caution to keep in mind the sensibilities of muslim persons who might be potentially offended by your open consumption of alcohol, which is haram. Furthermore it would be wise to mention that the persons you would most take care not to offend are the well-known radical militants who have historically enjoyed cracking down on liberal behavior in a most unpleasant fashion. I don't think it's outlandish or insensitive to suggest one take care not to flaunt or make a point of their consumption of alcohol in this or any other conservative locale. Enjoy it if you like, but do so discreetly and with respect to the locals. --173.166.45.177 16:15, 15 June 2011 (EDT)

Safety in Chechnya
The following statement was added to the article (and reverted by another IP user). I thought interesting to put on the talk page at least --Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:13, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

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dear Editors,,

Greetings,,

I have no idea since how long this statement was published. But what i know is that it is base less. The information there is out dated and not an inch close the reality. It is certain that the information was gathered through rumors and the reputation that the Chechen Republic has gained out of wrong but directed false propaganda. You are not in the position of presenting any evidence of kidnapping for Ransoms or foreigners disappearing or the presence of Mafias in the streets of Grozny. I have worked there till 6 months ago and during the previous three years. During the three years i was there,m i was not stopped a single time ,,, well,, I was by the traffic police. otherwise i was not stopped nor for my ID, nor for my residency permit or for my passport check. As measures of security, and on Fridays, or during Football Matches there are control check points,, to check bags and ensure public safety and security. It is not fair to publish this kind of information and to generalize it. this is a Baby republic, raising out ot the ruins of war. A war that has destroyed the land, the air, the water and the people. You should have rather put an emphasis on the reconstruction that took place in Chechnya,, on the peaceful life the people are living. The Chechen people are a sample of free people who love freedom,,they are the symbol of generosity and fidelity. Three years and each Chechen door was open to me without being invited Three years and i did not see anything but respect to me as foreigner.

it is the least right for Chechnya and its people that you change the header of your page,, or at least have these information checked out. Send your people there and find out by yourself.. I guarantee you,, dont be scared ,, you will not be kidnapped.

Thank you

As for the last visit of the Region, Chechnya is the most safe place within Russian regions. The Warning banner will be removed (talk) 13:56, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Sorry, no can do:

 * "The FCO advise against all travel to Chechnya" (updated 28 September 2016 and still current)

 * "Global Affairs Canada advises against all travel to to the following areas [Republic of Chechnya is the first listed]" (Last updated: September 14, still valid)

 * I could look up other countries' travel advisories and will - in order to update the warningbox. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:19, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Wikivoyage is the International Portal, where we shouldn't strictly follow of one or two official governments advises, at least such info can contain questionable validity. Such information brings politics for the portal and strongly misinforming travelers. But if we will keep doing that, In this case I will add warningbox for USA according to recommendations of Turkish Foreign affairs Ismail Khatai  (talk  ) 15:44, 14 November 2016 (UTC+3)]

 * Please go ahead and add the warningbox to the USA guide. It's not just one or two countries warning their citizens not to travel to Chechnya. You are perfectly free to contradict this, but it would be irresponsible for us not to mention those travel advisories. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:50, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Guys, I am going to add more warning boxes just to show you how many restrictions different government authorities issue everyday. I think, it is better to initiate changes to the policy of the website regarding using of such warning boxes.  Ismail Khatai (talk  ) 15:44, 14 November 2016 (UTC+3)]

 * So, Ismail Khatai, in other words you think it's a problem that we provide travel warnings and we should better stop? Are you serious?
 * Now I wonder what the Turkish foreign ministry says about travel to Chechenya? For that matter, can you find one foreign ministry that issues travel warnings that does not advise against travel there? I would assume even the Russian authorities don't recommend going there. ϒpsilon (talk) 13:47, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * ϒpsilon, i am about to review usage of warning boxes, not abandon them. Regarding to Chechnya, you should visit this region first. It is most peaceful and one of the top destinations in Russia. It used yo be danger, but now region is the one of the leading and well developing in Russia. So the Russian authorities activly promoting Chechnya, and making restrictions for other regions....check India and United Kingdom pages Ismail Khatai (talk  ) 15:44, 14 November 2016 (UTC+3)]

 * Everyone is glad that the situation in Chechnya is improving. However, we simply can't and shouldn't decide on the need for warnings based on local experiences. It is obviously possible to travel through Chechnya or any other supposedly dangerous region without encountering any problems. That doesn't mean that there isn't an enlarged risk, especially for foreign (often particularly western) visitors. To avoid this kind of discussion, we follow the expert advises of some leading English language government websites. One other and very important reason for this is, that travelling to countries despite governmental warnings often means that travel insurance and consular support is invalid or very limited. That's not only relevant in case of major problems like a kidnapping, but also in the simple case of lost luggage, accidents or stolen passports. JuliasTravels (talk) 14:56, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Julia, what are you arguing about ? If you want to keep red box for Chechnya, we are OK already, we have held discussion on this point and agreed that tourists ( no matter westerners or not ) must be provided about threats in the regions. As we say in Russia, "They smach on your face, not passport". Lirically, it means that you can be from the Wesrn country but LOOK LIKE ASIAN OR OTHER RACE AND BE ENGAGED IN TROUBLES BECAUSE OF THE WAY YOU LOOKING. Please, don't ever segregate the users.  From the beggining, my point was that all official info can be very subjective and depends from its origin, and my purpose was just to review policy of using warning boxes ( for example, if there are epidemics or ongoing conflicts or riots  - 100% subjected to warning box).  IMPORTANT! The most of insurences are NOT valid in the ongoing areas of unrest (it calls force-majeurs), no matter is it Cambodia, US, Chechnia. And definatelly Wikivoyage is not main or official source and normal traveler check all info in advance. And please don't delete Warining box from US article, as current riots unfortunatelly can make troubles for some of our users ( including from western countries) talk, can you please treat our discussions fearly and monitor situation?  Ismail Khatai (talk
 * Well, Ismail, the thing is, the travel advisory from the Turkish government is not a warning not to travel to the U.S. or even not to travel to any specific place in the U.S. (other than whatever part of a city an anti-Trump demonstration is taking place), so it doesn't merit a warningbox. I think it merits a cautionbox, but a consensus will have to be persuaded of that. If it isn't, perhaps at least some of the information in the advisory could be paraphrased into the "Stay safe" section of the USA article and articles for cities mentioned in the travel advisory. In any case, I think it's totally fine for you to make any kind of reasonable assertion about the current security status in Chechnya that you like, but we just can't ignore it when a bunch of governments are telling their citizens not to go to Chechnya, period. They may be wrong, but that's certainly a strong statement. And do you really think New Zealand would be making such a statement for some reason other than that they believe that by so doing, they are protecting their citizens? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:40, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Ikan, I got you. Thanks for advise. Honestly, only one thing pissing me off..."Most foreign governments advise against traveling to Chechnya"....but there are only four :) can we do something with it ? Ismail Khatai (talk) 19:59, 14 November 2016 (UTC+3)
 * I added a link to Australia's travel warning. Do you know how many governments that issue travel advisories don't advise against traveling to Chechnya? I am going to look for more government's travel warnings... Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:02, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think we need an exhaustive list, really. What we need are several trusted, English language sources - and we have those. The Dutch, French and German advises are all against travelling to Chechnya, but linking there has no added value. Even a complete list of English language advices has no added value, and only makes the warning box bigger than it needs to be. If the word "most" is really a problem, I'm sure we can rephrase it somehow? JuliasTravels (talk) 17:11, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I added travel warnings from Ireland and Hong Kong. All of the linked governments urge their citizens not to travel to Chechnya. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:14, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Instead of most, we could say "many". Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:15, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I plunged forward and made the change. I think it's fine, because it's followed by a rather long list that in this context is meaningful, since it goes to what "many" means. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:18, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * If that helps, "many" is fine for me. JuliasTravels (talk) 17:23, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * "Many" also fine. Ismail Khatai (talk) 20:26, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * For the record, Finnish foreign ministry too specifically advises against "unnecessary" travel to places in Russian Caucasus including Chechnya. Admittedly we Scandinavians have a tendency of erring on the side of caution, but Formin also has a handy section with links to travel advisories from other countries' foreign ministries (admittedly all 13 are western countries). If you open these and look for travel advisories on Russia, one will run into warnings against travel to Chechnya. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:29, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Guys, thanks as we can see, there are only western countries making warning for their citizens. Agree to remain warning box. On weekend i will get deep in details about such notices of official bodies.
 * However I wonder what Russian authorities and Russians in general think about traveling to Chechnya (they should know). I believe they do not recommend it either but I might of course be wrong. Alexander maybe can enlighten us? ϒpsilon (talk) 18:03, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

 * (indent) The Russian authorities will, of course, refrain from not recommending travels to Chechnya, because they pretend it is a safe region. On the other hand, I don't remember any travel alerts even in the hardest times in the end of 1990s, so it does not tell you much anyway.
 * I have never been there, and I think it is hard to gauge the possible danger. I believe it is fine to fly to Grozny, walk around the city, and buy a tour into the mountains. We received beautiful pictures from Chechnya during Wiki Loves Earth last year, and I know some people who did this kind of traveling recently. If there is any risk, it hardly exceeds the typical risk of going to places like Turkey or Israel. On the other hand, I would not consider Chechnya and Dagestan as good places for independent traveling (e.g., with a rental car) or mountain trekking, because there may be issues outside of the big cities. Those are not directly related to the recent war and in fact exist since ages, arising from peculiarities of the local population, especially high in the mountains. It's a little bit dodgy area in general, and it was also like that 30 years before the whole thing started. --Alexander (talk) 18:16, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Thanks, Alexander. Side point to the unsigned poster (Ismail?): Hong Kong is not a Western country. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:44, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Guys, why you took so personal our discussion? Ikan, be fair, you was developing US' warning box after me and extend it. The hole point was to learn how to use warning boxes in correct and reasonable way. Examples with Turkish and Russian Gov. notices showed us that warning and safety measures can be used for any country. This is not about remaining or removing banner from Chechnya page at all ! By the way Zamboanga Peninsula has good example of well designed warning box with objective and brief info. P.S. Hong Kong has pro-western politics and system and stayed under UK till the almoust all XX cent., so yes - it is "the west" of China. Ismail_Khatai (talk) 8:28, 15 November 2016 UTC+3

 * I lived in Hong Kong for a while. It is certainly not a western country. Andrewssi2 (talk) 05:44, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Nothing personal at all, Ismail. Yes, I was editing the warningbox. I still think the language in it is valid and fine. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:21, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

 * I also don't think anyone is taking this personally, Ismail_Khatai . We're all just giving opinions and applying policy. I also wouldn't consider Hong Kong western, even though it's different from the rest of China. I agree however that Zamboanga_Peninsula-way of linking the travel advices (which is the standard) is much neater. I've gone ahead and adapted the layout, so the warning box becomes a bit more subtle. I'll see if I can include the Irish and Hongkong one in the template (it's not there, normally). JuliasTravels (talk) 13:43, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Thank you, JuliasTravels . Now wording much better, and not misinforming travelers. Ismail Khatai (talk) 16:54, 15 November 2016 UTC+3

 * Hmm.. the template is not willing to work with me today (read: I'm not very good with templates) so I've asked for some help to get the Hong Kong layout fixed ;) I have to go out, but I'm sure someone will jump in and fix my mess soon enough. JuliasTravels (talk) 14:14, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

History
ALL JuliasTravels, Ikan Kekek, Andrewssi2 Ypsilon, Texugo ! It is very important to provide fair and objective information. The most current content of article seems like partial opinion. Please, don't restore content after I have started to develop History section part by part due to lack of time. For bloody scene lovers the war will be described, but you can check wikipedia page of First and Second Chechen Campaigns to get more information. And there are no gangsters in city (who is this smart guy, who published this trash?) Here we are describing travels and facts, not war and opinions. Thank you for understanding. Ismail Khatai (talk) 16:54, 15 November 2016 UTC+3

 * Please also understand, Ismail Khatai, that a wiki article is always a matter of collaboration and compromise. Feel free to edit and explain why you think certain sections should be different, but you can not expect or ask that others leave it up to you and don't interfere. If you want to take your time to develop a new history section, it might be a good idea to do so in your user space, for example at Ismail Khatai/Chechnya or some similar page. Again, feel free to expand and update, but keep in mind that you'll need to find a consensus first when you want to rewrite the history section in a way that paints a different picture. The history section of our articles is one of the few sections that are not focused on travel; it provides some background information. For a region like Chechnya, famous for the armed conflicts that have take place there, it must discuss the past wars to be objective. It's just one part of a complete article, in which also the current situation has plenty of place to be described. JuliasTravels (talk) 14:17, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia is collaboration, and wikivoyage is trash. I understand your point. Human being must prove proove that there are not zebras. Clear Ismail Khatai (talk) 14:22, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

I want to know who is the admin of en wikivoyage, please. Ismail Khatai (talk) 14:28, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry you feel that way. In reality, the collaborative way of working is quite the same on Wikipedia and Wikivoyage, but the goals and policies are different. You can find a complete list of administrators here. Of the people who have been involved in this topic so far, Ikan Kekek, Andrewssi2, Whr2 and I are all admins, for example. However, admins' voices don't have any more weight in content discussions than those of other users, so it doesn't really matter in a discussion like this. It's not up to an admin to decide who's right or wrong in content development; that is simply a matter of discussion and consensus. JuliasTravels (talk) 14:37, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for information. All i want is to fix the content of the article, as it has described by some of the "bots" and not relates to the reality. Ismail Khatai (talk) 14:45, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

 * It would be great if you can add content to the article, and I do hope you will. Everyone wants the article to be correct and up to date. I know it can be a bit difficult and confusing to work on it in a collaborative environment, but I think you'll find that people are not against you; they just want the article to develop the "wiki-way", so in consensus. The middle way is typically the most neutral one, so in the end, we all benefit. Best of luck, JuliasTravels (talk) 14:52, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

 * If interested in who has added what to the article (and when they added it), you can look at the edit history of the article. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:22, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Ypsilon. All, this is interesting to read, because there are lots of attention of former admins on using strange oppinions (not facts). I don't know why and by whom, but this article defimatelly  has been attacked. Does this article can be protected from editing ? Ismail Khatai (talk) 16:50, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Hi Ismail Khatai. I have taken a look at Wikipedia Chechnya and the history section doesn't look inconsistent with the text you deleted. You may not personally like the history section, but unless it is 100% false then you just don't get to delete it. If you want to improve it then fine, but I would urge you to keep away from hyperbolic statements just because something doesn't completely align to your own worldview.
 * The security section is also valid. There are blanket travel advisories against travelling to Chechnya by many governments. Again, improve if you like, but don't claim this has been "attacked" (implying vandalism) unless you have some proof. Andrewssi2 (talk) 20:51, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Andrewssi is right; rather than simply claiming attacks or misinformation, you should try to point out which facts exactly are not correct. You haven't made that clear at all. Protection (which is not an option) would have the opposite effect; it would make it impossible for you to improve the information or correct wrong facts. I've taken a first stab at an intro (which was a copy of the encyclopaedic Wikipedia intro). Please have a look and see if you find it fair and accurate, and improve it if you can. JuliasTravels (talk) 22:54, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

 * I will keep improve this article. Please note, when editing this article by restoring unproved information, you contradicting yourself. I suggest to keep article clean, because current info is doubtful veracity and misinforming users. I will provide very clear and brief facts throughout history from ancient to modern, including 2 wars(! there are no others) to the talk section and then, after joint discussion someone from admins will publish it Ismail Khatai (talk) 10:04, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

 * You seem to still be incorrectly asserting that the history section as it stands in completely wrong. I believe the current history section is broadly correct and therefore the only thing being contradicted is your own knowledge on the subject.
 * Nevertheless do feel free to propose a better history section. I won't object as long as it follows the facts that can be verified on Wikipedia. Andrewssi2 (talk) 07:58, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Wholesale copy of history section from Wikipedia
The new text in the History section was basically directly copied out of Wikipedia. See History_of_Chechnya

How should we deal with this? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:53, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

 * I'ver reverted that edit. I'm sorry, Ismail, I know you mean to improve the article and Wikipedia is a good source to find information on history, but simply copying the text from there is typically not accepted. First of all, the way you did that now violates both our and Wikipedia's copyright regulations. If you simply copy text, you make it look as if you wrote it yourself, thus denying the original authors their rights. For more information on this, see Copyleft. Even when you do follow proper attribution rules however, copying large pieces of text from Wikipedia (or other compatible websites) is strongly discouraged. First, we are not an encyclopedia, but a travel guide. We prefer to have lively, non-encyclopedic and original writing with the traveler in mind. For history sections, that typically means that they should be significantly shorter, with more attention to travel-relevant parts (e.g. recent, well-known wars, but also periods of which a lot of architecture or other sights remain). That's especially true for otherwise underdeveloped articles like the Chechnya one. We should avoid creating an article where the encyclopedic information is the bulk. The original content question is another a vital one. We avoid copied information to improve our visibility in search engines.

 * In conclusion; we often use Wikipedia as a source, but we re-write and summarize the text to fit our goals (and still use attribution when needed). Hope that clarifies. JuliasTravels (talk) 12:46, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Ok, delete it, then.

 * If you can point out which facts you think are wrong in the current section, I could try and help rewrite it in a joint effort. You keep saying the information is not correct, but you haven't said which information exactly. JuliasTravels (talk) 12:54, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Update on safety in Chechnya
Here are some videos about visiting Chechenya:, ,. I think it suffices to say that the political situation has stabilised, and it is no longer a warzone. And in fact, Gronzy appears to have been rebuilt and now looks very modern. The dog2 (talk) 22:07, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Checked-in Luggage Charges

Delete. This could be a valuable topic if actual charges were made explicit (in tabular form). As it stands, though, the content seems subjective and anecdotal and does not equip the traveller with much beyond, "Yes, airlines are more tightly constraining free baggage allowances." (WT-en) Dirc 14:14, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Chefchaouen

removed External Links: see Where did the "External links" sections go?' http://www.dardara.com : Auberge dardara http://www.casahassan.com : Casa Hassan http://www.parador.ma : Hotel Parador (WT-en) SHC 18:51, 22 April 2006 (EDT)

Prices
This article has several options in the "get in" section with no prices listed As Morroco requires strong haggling, It really would be valuable to have a indication of price; even if it's aproximate.

--105.158.186.31 08:16, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Cheltenham

Moved to fit in with Project:article naming conventions. -- (WT-en) Evan 15:27, 26 Aug 2003 (PDT)

Taking waters
"You cannot take the waters in Cheltenham, but you can visit the Pump Room (http://www.cheltenham.gov.uk/libraries/templates/havingfun.asp?FolderID=203) to get a feeling for the ambience" -- I thought it was possible? I'll try it sometime, and correct the page either way ;P

Source for 2ndary sources
http://www.knowhere.co.uk/534_eatdrink.html

To Guide
This seems like a nice article and a nice destination. With a few more locations and descriptions in the listings, I think this article would be a Guide and at that point, eligible for nomination as an Off the Beaten Path or Destination of the Month. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:54, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

 * That would be good. I actually grew up near here so happy to try and add some listings. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:18, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Chengdu

Dear anonymous, an excellent start for the article! But please follow the guidelines in Project:Romanization for entering pinyin. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:20, 2 Sep 2004 (EDT)

This article currently contains an e-mail address that causes an "Internal error" when you attempt to Save page.

Save as you go!!!
Save your WikiText contributions every five minutes or so as you work.

Or write it in a separate text editor and paste it into WikiTravel.

My friend tried to contribute a long piece to the Chengdu page by writing it in the WikiTravel text field but his entire long piece got zapped by the *spam filter* because of something someone else had written. FRUSTRATING. s_i_n_a_._c_o_m without the underscores was the cuprit and he had not written it himself. OUCH!

Good luck and thanks for contributing :-)

 * I think that preparing a long contribution off-line is probably a better approach than saving as you go. If something is going to go wrong it probably will on the first save. And it is not just the spam filter. I have also encountered server stalls, net errors, line dropout, and even a power failure! If you have saved a copy of the contribution then a quick copy and paste gets it back. Mind you, with small edits, a section or item at a time there is always the risk that someone else will jump in and edit the page too - causing an editing conflict - sometimes that is harder to cope with than having to retype everything. Oh and always Preview any large edit, well previewing every edit is good practice. - (WT-en) Huttite 03:14, 20 Dec 2005 (EST)

perfect italy cafe bar in chengdu
so long time in chengdu...but never find one espresso... until... one day, found one cafe named "feeling4seasons cafe".. they provide very nice italy cafe, espresso,cappuccino,esp... latte art/// I love it very much... BTW, they are using LAVAZZA...and perfect pretty cafe marchine--LA pavoni.. The cafe bar is in Xia Dongdajie, Dongmen bridge,orietal time mall..2F tel 66208848 also check out www.f4scafe.cn  it is also one famous china blog freelancer's cafe bar..

No mention of tea???
I heard Chengdu was famous for its tea and teahouses, but I didn't see a mention of them. Could someone add some? (WT-en) Jbradfor 16:44, 18 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Good point. Any of the big parks have tea houses.  They are all over the place.

University in ChengDu
There are many universities in ChengDu.

UESCT is one of the best universities.

Destination of the Month?
Is Chengdu ready to be Dotm? Or is anything missing? /Yvwv (talk) 16:18, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Chennai

I've heard of Madras. I've never heard of Chennai. Is this really the most common English name for the city? Or the official, unused name? I'm adding a redirect at Madras, but I'm wondering if it shouldn't be the other way around. -- (WT-en) Evan 13:05, 6 Nov 2003 (PST)

 * IMO, the article and redirect are exactly where they should be. I have a few remarks concerning article naming. I have no time right now, but I'll try to write them down later today or during the weekend on Project:Article naming conventions. (WT-en) D.D. 22:38, 6 Nov 2003 (PST)

 * Chennai is the politically correct name. Its derived from 'Chennapatinam' the original name, The british called it Madras. In 1995 when Bombay was renamed to Mumbai, the ruling political party renamed Madras to Chennai! However the locals still prefer to call it Madras! All business correspondence should nevertheless carry 'Chennai'
 * I'm in India now, and everyone in talking about Chennai, and in the press it's also refered to as Chennai (also in the ads we saw it as Chennai). Anyway the official nam isn;t Madras, so the redirection shpuld be the other way around. (Some how wikivoyage got affected from wikipedia in not mattering what the country decides, i.e. - Jeruslam is a disputed capital, even the arabs don't think it's disputed, they want it to be capital for both the future Palesine and Israel). (WT-en) F16 06:07, 28 Feb 2004 (EST)

 * Hey, that's great that you're in India! Do you live there, or are you traveling? It's great to get reports "from the field".

 * As to Chennai vs. Madras: please see the Project:article naming conventions. We use the most common English language name for a place, even if it's not the official name, nor the local name. Our job is to serve travelers, and specifically travelers whose native language is English. English speakers will look for the most common English-language name of a place, not its official or local name. We're not out to dis the locals -- we're just trying to provide the best service to travelers.

 * w/r/t Jerusalem -- the Israel page has been changed several times to make the capital Tel Aviv (or "Tal Abib", which I'm guessing is another name for that city). The "disputed" name is there to kind of keep down the controversy. Given that people change it regularly, I figure the word "disputed" is warranted.

 * If you think using the local or official name for a place serves travelers better, please explain why on Project:article naming conventions. Until then, let's keep this article at Madras. --(WT-en) Evan 08:18, 28 Feb 2004 (EST)

the counter staff perinially don't seem to have change "perinially" is not a word, and the closest word, "perineally", means "like the groin" and is unintelligible here. What is this supposed to mean? -(WT-en) phma 19:12, 22 Feb 2004 (EST)

Will have the word removed. Incidentlly its common usage in this part of the world and is used to mean 'very often'!. Thanks, will stop using it. -(WT-en) Sridhar Pandurangiah 13:45, 23 Feb 2004 (IST)

 * Yes, that's spelled "perennially". Pierre is ruthless when it comes to puns. --(WT-en) Evan 07:36, 23 Feb 2004 (EST)

 * Thanks! -(WT-en) Sridhar Pandurangiah 10:05, 24 Feb 2004 (IST)

Why Chennai and not Madras...
See Talk:Bombay for more explanation but basically, all cities in India should be moved to their correct English names, even if they are not the most common. (WT-en) Ronline 04:26, 6 May 2004 (EDT)

Eat and Sleep
The eat and sleep sections have been removed. Cant identify the person! only the IP address is displayed. Any particular reason? Dont you think this should be put back? (WT-en) Sridharpandu 13:00, 23 June 2005 (IST)

Eat and Sleep
I brought back the eat section. Wonder why somebody put a list of engineering and other colleges. Will bring back the sleep sections sometime during the weekend. This page is for travellers so eat and sleep sections are a must not engineering colleges (WT-en) Sridharpandu 11:30, 1 November 2005 (IST).
 * Well I wondered the same thing and I was told that the "learn" section is not just for things a tourist might be interested in learning on his sojourn (yoga, handicraft, etc.) but exchange students are also treated as a class of travellers and listing major universities is fine. But you know how it is with colleges. People see a list of colleges and if theirs is missing, they want to add theirs. As you are a local, it might be a good idea to pare it down to the bone and keep only the 2-3 major ones that an exchange student will actually be interested in --(WT-en) Ravikiran 05:28, 1 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Maybe (WT-en) Jpatokal has a point but looking at the list I wonder if all these colleges draw students from other countries. You are right when you say it would trigger people to include their college in the list. So guess we should pare it down to colleges with special interests e.g. Kala Shetram, IIT, National Institute of Ocean Technology, National Institute of Fashion Technology, Sri Ramachandra Medical College and research institute and maybe a couple of them more. What do you think? (WT-en) Sridharpandu 10:15, 5 November 2005 (IST).
 * Agree --(WT-en) Ravikiran 00:12, 5 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * That seems like a good idea. Just like with hotels and restaurants, we're not looking for an exhaustive list, just a sample. I think having 5 or so specialty schools will give readers the idea that there are a number of schooling options... thanks for tackling this! (WT-en) Majnoona 00:22, 5 Nov 2005 (EST)

Drink
Chennai, and the whole of Tamil Nadu for that matter has this govenment imposed restriction that only liquor manufactured inside Tamil Nadu can be sold here. So except for only a few bars (mostly the ones in the splurge section, who I believe have a permit), the selection of liquor brands is very limited.

This is know only from hearsay from the places that I have visited. If somebody can confirm this or provide links confirming this, we can add this information to the page. -- (WT-en) Ra.Ge 00:10 9 September 2006 (IST)

Do
Chennai is the capital of Barathanatyam - found this sentence on the page. Always thought it was Tanjore that was the capital of this dance form. Will check and correct this. (WT-en) Sridharpandu 14:15, 5 November 2005 (IST)

There are wine shops. But they look like the type of places you might go blind drinking from. (WT-en) Doc Risk

Is Chennai the most common English name?
Our article naming conventions say that we put the article at the most common English name for the place. The official name change from "Madras" to "Chennai" is relatively recent and I think that "Madras" is still the most common name for this place. If someone has some reason to dispute this (Google News can be an easy way to find stats on these things) please post. Otherwise, I plan to move this page back to its original place. --(WT-en) Evan 13:24, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)

Here's my Google news data:

For fairness, many of these hits are for the "Chennai Open". When I removed "tennis" and "Chennai Open" from the search, I got this:

Google search shows 8,990,000 English pages for "Chennai", 4,480,000 for "Madras". We should probably check a few more sources, but as best I can tell, "Chennai" has penetrated far enough in the media that we should consider it the "most common English name". --(WT-en) Evan 13:48, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)

Huge city?
This place seems more than ready to make the move to a huge city. It looks like a lot of the listings already indicate some sort of district so maybe it wont be too hard. Comments? (WT-en) Majnoona 11:32, 24 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * An old topic, but time to come back to it. The stand-alone "Anna Nagar" article was VFD'd and eventually redirected to Chennai/Anna Nagar as a district.  (WT-en) Jani rightly objected that districting should be done in a reasoned, rather than ad-hoc, way.  Could we use this one ad-hoc district article as a springboard to do what Maj long ago recommended? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 15:46, 12 August 2007 (EDT)

Butterball
It's in Mamallapuram and should probably be pictured there, not here. (WT-en) Jonboy 21:42, 21 Feb 2006 (EST)
 * OK, let me be stronger. It should definitely be pictured there, not here.  I'll move it unless someone explains.  It's not on the way to Mamallapuram, it's in it.  It's less than a 5-minute walk away from Arjuna's Penance.  To me, it makes less sense to have this here than to have the Naval Academy (Annapolis) listed for DC.  (WT-en) Jonboy 11:31, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * I am looking over all the "Do"'s in Chennai right now and the Butter Ball is one, among others, that I am planning to move to a "Get out" section. But, if you feel the need to take it out now it is okay. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel)

 * That's fine. It's probably best subsumed in Mamallapuram, given that it's literally around the corner from Arjuna's Penance, a spectacular sight and part of a World Heritage Site.  (WT-en) Jonboy 11:46, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)

Questions and Comments

 * The Drink section appears to be operating under the misapprehension that the section should only contain bars. It needs other types of entertainment listed too.
 * I'm going to move the cafes from the eat section (WT-en) Majnoona 15:39, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)
 * There is discussion pertaining to this topic. If food is what would draw the traveler/patron, put the cafe in Eat. If it is more helpful to list a cafe because it's primarily known for offering beverages or is a night spot hangout, Drink. There is no requirement that listings in Drink serve alcohol--the emphasis is on nightlife. Project:Where you can stick it (WT-en) Zepppep 10:35, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

Is it necessary to be so anal? I'm sure it makes no difference if there is a comma after the number or not. It doesn't matter in a sentence if there is, a comma, or, not? The message is still understood.
 * I see addresses written in a form unfamiliar to me like "#12, Cenotaph Road" or "12, Khadar Nawaz Khan Road". If the comma separating the street address from the street name is common throughout India, perhaps there should be an explanation of it in the India article.  Also, is there a difference between "#12" and "12" in these cases?  In the US, we use the pound sign (#) to designate an apartment number in an address rather than a street address.  If "#12" and "12" mean the same thing in India, we should pick one format and be consistent.

 * The "Get out" section needs to be reduced to a small number of places with text explaining why one would go there — preferably by someone who knows which of the getouts would be most enjoyable.

 * The text takes a rather cavalier attitude towards capitalization. Is the text correct that place names and such are frequently both capitalized and uncapitalized, or is this just an error that should be copyedited away?  Or is there some India-specific rule for the capitalization. I could work on it, but I have to know it's wrong first.
 * Needs to be copyedited!

-- (WT-en) Colin 21:42, 21 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * Good luck trying to standardize postal addresses in India :) Our postal department hasn't gotten around to it yet. The differences between #12 and No. 12 seem so trivial when there are people starving right now  addresses which go: B-127, Carrarra, Hiranandani Estate, Ghodbunder Road, Opp. Suraj water park etc. all because the concept of numbering blocks on streets is alien to us.  See this  for more.
 * I'll get around to get out. Right now, I am on get around... It'd be great if you can fix the capitalization mess. It's not thought through. --(WT-en) Ravikiran 22:31, 21 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * That's astounding, and very educational. There doesn't seem to be a standard for how to write the last eight digits of the phone number.  I see both "12345678" and "1234 5678" used.  The latter seems more readable to me, but do you have a preference? -- (WT-en) Colin 21:50, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)

Again Mr Colin - is it necessary to be so anal? A phonenumber is a phonenumber - it's not like you're going to misread it if the space is here or there...

 * I've been using 1234 5678 all over the India pages. There's no standard for that either. The number of digits for a local phone isn't standardised. So the big cities have 8 digits, the smaller ones may even have 5. --(WT-en) Ravikiran 22:05, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * Thats true, however the total of the local number and the area code is 10 digits for any number throughout India (including all fixed and mobile numbers, omitting the zero in the area code). A Mumbai number is 22 28931122 whereas a Jaipur number might be 141 2345678  -- (WT-en) AmitBoob 20:38, 24 February 2006 (EST)

 * I just went ahead and killed the whole list of universities. If someone has information on 3-5 places which it might be common for a visitor to study short-term, please add them back in. I just dont think the list was providing anything useful... (WT-en) Majnoona 15:39, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)

I think kpn(http://www.kpntravels.in/),parveen travels(http://www.parveentravels.com),setc(http://www.setctn.com) offer better booking and coverage. (WT-en) Gkaruppa 07:10, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I am a new user ,I dont know why sites like realindia .in/ are added in "Get around" 'by Bus' section?I found it not giving any useful information. Hope some page editors will notice.  (WT-en) Gkaruppa 06:54, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

 * I own www.realindia.in. I was searching for my website on google (like all webmasters would do) and found this link right on the first page. I did not add my website to wikivoyage. However I am getting a negative result on Google because of the above comment by Mr.Gkaruppa. I also notice that RIGHT BEFORE my website is listed another site called www.redbus.in - which offers EVEN LESS information OR OPTIONS than mine as far as Chennai is concerned. It makes me suspicious then as to why Mr.Gkaruppa has singled out my website for his negative remarks. I feel pained that some stooge of a competitor can so easily defame my site through a genuine initiative like Wikivoyage. I hope some page editor will remove the above mentioned comment of people like Gkarrupa who have no better business than defaming others.

(WT-en) Gkaruppa 07:10, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * I am sorry if i have singled your site (www. realindia. in) . During April 2007 I tried booking with your site and it did not lead me to booking page at all.I just expressed my honest opinion, at that time.Now I am able to see credit card payment options and your site seems to be good now. One thing is I put it in discussion and not in main article and wanted this to be passed to wikivoyage chennai admin and not for all public.During June 2007 I booked a ticket with redbus and really hate it. They charge heavily and allow to book tickets only after speaking with executive who have a website lock which they unlock just while you have an agreement.In short Redbus is not a very standard site to go for booking,but can be used while tickets are not available in other bus services like kpn and parveen ( I have named only few which i regularly use).

Images
I found a few images, but am graphic-tarded, so if someone else can size and upload that would be great: If we use an image, I will let the photographer know with a comment (all images in this set are CC Share Alike) (WT-en) Majnoona 18:31, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)
 * Flickr

 * Many of the photos in that set are marked "All Rights Reserved," so be careful. Also, I've written a question to Evan which he hasn't answered yet regarding using CC-bySA 2.0 images because I thought that didn't play well with our current licensing regime. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:40, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)
 * Oops! I found those image with a CC search and the ones I looked at were OK... I didnt realize some might not me... It would be nice to have a list of good places to get images from-- or do we already have one? (WT-en) Majnoona 15:16, 23 February 2006 (EST)

 * The one that I used is in fact cc-by-sa, so it's okay. We just have to be careful. --(WT-en) Ravikiran 16:14, 23 February 2006 (EST)

I want to say that it is very rude to delete all those photos (they are under GDFL or something) from this page. 61.17.191.191 21:08, 6 March 2006 (EST)

 * Rude or not, it is illegal to violate copyright, so any images that aren't released under the CC-SA 1.0 license, or any images that we can't verify the license, have to be deleted. See Project:Copyright details for more info. -- (WT-en) Ryan 21:14, 6 March 2006 (EST)

 * Yes, unfortunately that's a problem. We cannot use any work unless it is in the public domain or has a cc-by-sa license. I would really like to have an image of a Bharata natyam dancer here, but it has to be properly licensed and probably also accompanied by a model release, because we will presumably be showing her face. --(WT-en) Ravikiran 21:55, 6 March 2006 (EST)

 * Can't we use the same images that wikipedia uses? Cos most of them have already been checked for fair use etc. For example, the Bharatnatyam page on wikipedia has a few pics. 220.255.7.217 23:12, 25 February 2009 (EST)

Others think early Portuguese may have called the area Madre de Sois after an early settler, or Madre de Deus after an early church (of St. Mary). My grandmother's maiden was Madras and we have been told our family built the first church there. So town was named after them...they were Portugal originally.

Temples and churches
Would it be worth dividing these up into different religions?! It just seems to me that its a huge long list at the mo, and it might be easier to use if it were broken up a little... What do you think? (WT-en) Tsandell 19:20 24/2/06

Help Offered
I recently came across this very useful/informative page. I currently live in Chennai, but I cant really contribute as I don't belong here and there is actually very little I know about the place. However, if there is a list of places/areas of interest, I might be able to get the pictures, upload and release them under CC. Is there any such wish list? -- (WT-en) Ra.Ge
 * Welcome Rocky, thanks for the offer. It would be cool to have a picture of the Marina Beach or Elliot's beach. Or maybe Mount road, Ice house (Vivekananda Memorial), Police headquarters, Fort George, the Mylapore temple.... Basically check out the "See" section for list of places you can visit and may be get a photo. :)
 * Also, don't let the fact that you are new to Chennai stop you from contributing. If you use this guide and visit some place, you can update it with addresses and other details. Check out Project:Attraction listings for what kind of details will be needed. Similarly, if you visit any restaurant, you can edit the entry for the restaurant and mention the price range, what is recommended and what is not. Check out Project:Restaurant listings. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 11:54, 3 September 2006 (EDT)

Price Ranges for food
I edited the placement of Sri Krishna Sweets from medium range to budget. I and 2 other people were able to try almost everything on the menu and spend only 165 Rupees for everyone. Also changed the placement of Murugan Idli Shop so the list was alphabetical. Coastline restaurant which is placed in medium range may qualify for high range. The food for just myself cost 1000 rupees. Barramundi was fantastic but perhaps was the most expensive thing on their menu, Ill let others decide on this. (WT-en) Doc Risk 7:44 Feb 13th, 2007

Templates
Why has no one used the "Restaurant" template here? Any reason? -(WT-en) Shreyasjoshis 01:20, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Probably because the restaurant template was introduced fairly recently, while the Chennai article was started quite some time back. However, there is no reason to prevent anyone from using it for future additions or from transferring the present information into template format if they so wish. (WT-en) WindHorse 01:25, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

Madras is always Madras, no matter whoever changes it or calls it otherwise.

Changes are so much irritating and make life more difficult. I always say Madras as I'm used to from childhood but people around me frown as I've uttered some obscene word.

Well, If you don't like british names or anything done by british then, why do you still celebrate Jan 1st as New year? We have seperate Tamil New Year right? Why don't you destroy the high courts, railway tracks constructed by british & reconstruct from the start? Sounds stupid right... Same way, It sounds stupid to change from Madras to Chennai when both co-existed without any problem. Now, only Chennai exists. where's my magnificent Madras? My DOB Certificate lists it as Madras. A'm I born in a city which does not exist? These changes promote regionalism & not nationalism… which will ultimately result in a separate Country ThamizlNadu(Once known as the State of Madras).

Don't know where will it End?

Currency
The currency section has a lot of unnecessary information. The paragraph starting with "In most parts of India" is irrelevant and unnecessary. I dont see any reason for a traveller to Chennai to be informed about how the Rupee is called in Orissa and Bengal. It would suffice, in this article, to mention that the rupee is called "roobai" in Tamil and be done with it. 198.169.188.225 13:43, 19 May 2008 (EDT) Vikram.

Status of this article
I really do not think it is guide standard and I have downgraded to usable. Key reasons: --(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:36, 6 January 2010 (EST)
 * The see section is very thin on useful information and very long on lists. Many more addresss, directions and phone numbers required.
 * The eat listings are unwiedly and I suggest they are sorted into types of food - even into Indian and Other would be a start.
 * A long list of hospitals with no contact details is not helpful. Suggest deleting the ones with no addresses and no phone numbers (there are far too many regardless).
 * A long list of ATMs with no addresses? Again, not very helpful and probably unneccesary when there are so many. Delete I would say and replace with a short paragraph of prose.
 * Get out. Unwieldy. This section should be a short list of destinations to go to after Chennai.

 * I put a "style" markup at the top of the article for reasons listed above as well as a poor Buy section. Lots of issues with contact info in several sections (lack of abbreviations, stating the listing is in Chennai, ph number formatting, etc.). (WT-en) Zepppep 10:20, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
 * I attempted to remove historical info. in the Parks subsection that is not relevant to a reader, as well as benefactor info., etc. Keep descriptions limited to info. a traveler would find helpful, as well as attempting to limit the length to 1-5 sentences per Project:Attraction listings. Give a flavor of species one can view without listing 10 species by name. (WT-en) Zepppep 10:26, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

Temples?!
Are all the temples considered as tourist sites?! Like can't you only put the ones which are the most interesting of all? It's really bad to see a list like that without a bit of information of the certain temple. -User:(WT-en) SnappyHip 23:01, 8 March 2010 (GST)

Listings and possible districting
Are there too many listings? Should this city be districted? What do you think? Either way, the listings that are just a name or a name+address need to have at a minimum an address, telephone number if any (perhaps some attractions may lack one) and a description of some kind. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:23, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Considering the number of listings and the fact that they are fairly spread out (looking at the all the listings with coordinates on the map ), districting is probably the way to go. At the moment, Chennai is administered as 10 "Taluks" not including the greater metro area. . We can use that as a starting point though like Delhi, the non-touristy administration districts can be amalgamated into a one or two. Gizza ( roam ) 03:47, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * There are a lot of listings so a few districts could help here, but think we need to have coordinates of all entries before really understanding the split method. SO far most appear concentrated in central area of Chennai district. May want to look at the ways the main neighbourhoods and wards are organised together.--Traveler100 (talk) 06:12, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Since there seems to be a consensus to split Chennai into districts, I'll gradually do it. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:48, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * NB: I've actually travelled to the city (back in 2018) and have some experiences there. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:50, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Before you gradually do it, please make a proposal, detailing which districts you would create, where the boundaries would be for every one, and about how many listings in total each one would have. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:37, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I will divide Chennai into three districts along natural boundaries (i.e. rivers). Since not all listings have co-ordinates mentioned, several listings might be undercounted (especially buy, eat, drink and sleep). There are a few listings outside the city proper (even outside Tamil Nadu), which will be either removed or moved to appropriate articles.
 * Chennai/North (see+do: 18, buy:2, eat+drink: 0, sleep: 11, go: 8, misc: 2)
 * Chennai/Central (see+do: 20, buy: 6, eat+drink: 7, sleep: 31, go: 2, misc: 1)
 * Chennai/South (see+do: 15, buy: 1, eat+drink: 4, sleep: 11, go: 5)
 * Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 08:25, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to support districting under those circumstances, but I hope there will be Eat listings in every district. Madrasi food is great, so I'm sure some places could be found. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:27, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed; I only spent a day in Chennai a few years back, but I do remember that the food was delicious. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 09:56, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I have finally created four districts of Chennai: North, Central, South and Suburban (for listings outside Chennai proper but under the metropolitan area). However, instead of dividing along natural lines (i.e. rivers), I have divided the districts along the political lines (i.e. Chennai Corporation zones). However, the problem is that the mapshapes I have created for each districts (except Suburban Chennai) don't work correctly. Anyway, most of the listings should be moved to the respective districts and I will also create a static map of Chennai soon. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 13:20, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Lovely! Looking forward to the new district structure completed. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 21:05, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Great! I don't know the details of how to use mapshapes, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:10, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I have finally created a static map of Chennai, although it has some rough edges considering the static map is based on a very old SVG map. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 08:10, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks good. By any chance, are you able to add the Outer Ring Rd (the freeway bypass)? SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:18, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I may do it soon. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 08:46, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Cool. Although not a must, an expressway distinction would also be nice (see SEQ or Cape Breton Island for examples of what I'm talking about). Feel free to dismiss this if the map does become a bit too crowded by adding this, though. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 09:04, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I see. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:05, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Time formatting
Which time format should be used for this article? 12-hour (9AM-5PM) or 24-hour (09:00-17:00)? Now it uses both formats, which is confusing. Ground Zero (talk) 22:55, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Whichever format is most common in India should be used consistently. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:41, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia says that the 12-hour clock is most common, so I'll go with that. Ground Zero (talk) 01:51, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

"Cope" section
I'd say "ATMs" and "Money changers" belong in "Buy". "Beauty parlors & hair salons" and "Gyms" aren't common sections on this site; is it hard to find those in such a huge city as Chennai? If not, they should be deleted. "Post & telegraphs" is oddly named, as it should probably be called "Post and pay telephones", but it belongs in "Connect". I suppose "Libraries & cultural centres" can remain in "Cope", and "Consulates" definitely belongs there.

Any disagreements or comments about the "Beauty parlors & hair salons" and "Gyms" sections, which I tend to think we should delete? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:29, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Too many places of worship listed in see
I just did a quick count and there are a whopping 82 places of worship in see – a blatant violation of WV:WORSHIP. In no way does Chennai have that many interesting places of worship. I've visited Chennai en route to AP but I only stopped to see Fort St George, so I don't really know which ones are notable and which ones aren't, but I'm just going to remove all the places of worship listed that have nothing but the place name, url or is lacking important contact details. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 11:37, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

 * I've cut that list down to 46; I still think more should go. If anyone objects to my deletion, only add it if you think it's exceptionally notable and please add essential contact information + a sound description. Wikivoyage is not a yellow pages of places of worship. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 11:51, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

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Touty taxi listings
moved from main page per WV:Avoid long lists and WV:Goals and non-goals and External links, and, last but not least, Don't tout. Ibaman (talk) 13:07, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Tourist cabs - Are the best choice in case you want to tour the city all day or visit nearby places like Mahabalipuram, and Tirupati. Costs about ₹10 per kilometre and ₹100 per hour as hire charges. Also generally there is a special price if you need to go to Chennai Central or Chennai Airport.

Some radio taxi services are:

Where should Chennai/Central be linked?
Currently an orphaned page as of writing this :-(. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 12:33, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

 * I was experimenting on the district articles. As of writing my comment, they are not linked to the main article. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 13:15, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Summary of listings for See, Buy and Sleep
As I'm moving most of the listings to the districts, I think there should be a summary of listings for See, Buy and Sleep. Do, Eat and Drink already have decent summaries. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 16:22, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Chennai/Anna Nagar

Anna Nagar
Anna Nagar is a suburb of Chennai. In the future it might be worth considering it as an independent article, However, as Chennai has not yet been split into districts and Anna Nagar has no major attractions, I recommend redirect to Chennai for the time being. Here's the WP article on Anna Nagar for reference:. (WT-en) WindHorse 08:29, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep, at least for now. We are somewhat inconsistent in the way we handle suburbs of large cities.  However, if it really is a suburb (and I realize that the term connotes different things in different places), the norm seems to be that if someone goes to the effort of creating a page for the suburb, it stays put, until a more integrated approach to the metropolitan area is taken. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:59, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
 * I disagree (ad hoc districting is evil), but even by that logic it should be under Chennai/Anna Nagar, not the present name. (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:12, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect. I agree with Jani, I would really prefer to see districting & regioning done systematically, it can be a major pain to undo ad hoc districting when creating a valid district scheme. --(WT-en) Peter Talk

 * Redirect. I authored this article and I think it should be redirected to Chennai.

 * I removed the VFD and archived the discussion, but Jani's right: if Chennai is to have a substructure (and it's a big enough city to justify one), it should be done in a more orderly, reasoned way than just sticking random districts into the structure. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 15:42, 12 August 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Brockton (Ontario)

The material that was flagged as likely copyrighted, from the King Eddy Inn page, does in fact belong to this poster, John Gilbert. I live in and do business in (the King Eddy) Chepstow Ontario, so I started the travel page to our little hamlet, when I discovered no one else had done so yet. I hope this clears things up.

I also have a question that I have not been able to figure out by looking through the policies, etc. Can I post the code for a small AccuWeather on the Chepstow page, to show what the current weather conditions and forecast are for the area?

 * There seems to be no objection to this, but I believe a government-sponsored weather link would be preferred. For an example see Daytona Beach. Note that, in general we try to avoid HTML. --(WT-en) OldPine 11:08, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for the input. Unfortunately, there is nothing in Canada comparable to NOAA. We do have Environment Canada, but they do not have anything specific to Chepstow (closest reference is the entire County forecast).

Drinking Water
I assume that the Stay Safe warning against drinking the water refer to the year 2000 tragedy. But is the warning really still necessary in 2016? Elgaard (talk) 04:09, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

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Where is this photo taken? (WT-en) Greenmango 06:22, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Chernobyl

Name
I think the Chornobyl article is best called Chernobyl. While Chornobyl may be the Ukranian spelling, the usually recognised English spelling of Chernobyl is about 20 times more frequently used, according to a Google search.
 * So I moved the page. -- (WT-en) Huttite 08:24, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * I copied the "Chornobyl" spelling from the Ukraine page. That was against my better judgement; Chernobyl is better. 130.153.173.15 22:12, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)

On another note, saying that reactor number four exploded is rather emotive and indicates a certain point of view of the writer. It would be more neutral POV to say that reactor number four experienced a steam explosion, containment disruption, graphite moderator fire and reactor core meltdown.

 * Bad research on my part, if what happened wasn't an explosion. 130.153.173.15 22:12, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Name, again
"Chernobyl" is the Russian name. "Chornobyl" is the Ukrainian name. Much like "Kyiv" (Ukrainian) was "Kiev" in Russian. Given the current war and occupation, I'd prefer not to be using Russian names for Ukrainian populated places if other, valid names are available.

And changing "exploded" to "experienced a steam explosion"? Is that like "experiencing homelessness" instead of being homeless? Everything needs to be "an experience" to promote it to the voyager? 66.102.87.40 15:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

 * Please go ahead and simplify the language. But as for the name, call it anything you want on your own time, but on this site, we use the most commonly used name in English. See WV:Naming conventions. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:09, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Memorial or attraction?
Finally, is this a destination or merely an attraction? Given the historical significance and uniqueness, an article may prove interesting, but should a city template be used? -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:35, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * I am not clear on the distinction between the two. I started this after reading a travel article on the subject and was fascinated by it. 130.153.173.15 22:12, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * and we are glad you did! Thank you.

 * For what it's worth the major distinction between an attraction and a destination is answered by the question "do you sleep there". That said I think that (WT-en) Mark 00:57, 16 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * Wow, I'm really digging up old discussions today, aren't I? Anyway, I think this is not an article per Project:What is an article?. There is no where to sleep, eat, or drink. It should be a "get out" from the nearest town or the usual starting point of the tours. We can have a redirect on Chernobyl and the search engine will get folks to the right page as well... comments? (WT-en) Majnoona 14:02, 1 March 2006 (EST)

 * Chernobyl turns into a tourist destination because of this unique tragedy. In the last years there has been a high increase in tourists visiting Pripyat. Today you are able to stay overnight in Pripyat. Due to the serious health risks (and the whole area being more or less a military zone) you can't travel individually but guided tours are running. I guess most people would search at wikivoyage for Chernobyl but not look in the Kiev section. It's a national tragedy and therefore the place should have an own page here.(WT-en) Jan 07:40, 26 April 2006 (EST)

 * Ok, I'm willing to be swayed on this one... It seems like it's big & remote enough to be an exception to the 'can you sleep there' rule of thumb. Lots of great info in here btw... nice job everyone! (WT-en) Majnoona 11:29, 26 April 2006 (EDT)

Radiation levels reported wrong
Umm .. there's a bit under "See - Chernobyl reactor 4" that states (quoted): "Typical dose at the site seems to be about 0.5 - 0.9 micro-Roentgens/hour (winter), slightly higher in the summer."

.5-.9 uR/h is hardly a realistic value, since background radiation in most european cities is between 15 and 30 uR/h. Also, as far as I recall, my dosimeter never showed anything below 1100 uR/h (registered on the roof of the visitors center).

 * Please, plunge forward and change the article! Especially if you first-hand experience. --(WT-en) Evan 08:51, 7 December 2006 (EST)

I think whoever wrote the article meant milliroentgens/h, not microroentgens/h. I changed it to .5 to .9 milliroentgens/h, which corresponds to 500 to 900 microroengens/h

Watch
Chernobyl Virtual Tour - 29 panoramas 360 degrees, that shows most visited spots in Pripyat ghost town and Chernobyl zone.

http://chernobylvirtualtour.com/

clothes
It should be noted that on most tours, one has to discard ones clothes after visiting chernobyl because there might be radioactive dust on it.

> I would have to disagree with this - having just returned from a two day tour, you go through radiation checks at key points (either when leaving the zone or when going to certain buildings) and this would detect any abnormal radiation levels and you would

> need to have the area cleaned or removed, if and when any radiation was detected.

> It is something that does happen infrequently but they would deal with it there and then, you would certainly not need to discard clothes randomly and it is not most tours.

> 109.156.94.146 19:42, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

hot surfaces
The article mention there is a danger of touching hot surfaces. That seems highly unlikely, anyone who can confirm that's true?
 * Depends on whether hot is interpreted as hot in a temperature sense of the word (i.e. warm surfaces) or radioactively contaminated surfaces.

Page name
I reverted a page move from "Chernobyl" to "Chornobyl" today as the former is how I've always seen it spelled, and Wikipedia uses Chernobyl, but I'm adding a note to the talk page for discussion purposes in case anyone feels differently. -- Ryan • (talk) • 23:09, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

 * The article (or at least the lede) should explain the distinction; "Chernobyl" is transliterated Russian, "Chornobyl" is transliterated Ukrainian. The same issues occur with other points with names in more than one language, like Iqaliut (Frobisher Bay) and Qaanaaq (Thule) in Nunavut and Greenland respectively. Gdansk/Danzig in Poland is the classic, infamous example. K7L (talk) 05:14, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Sentence to be clarified
In the Understand section there is a sentence that reads "The radioactive plume touched down many times in numerous populated areas as far out as 500 km (over 300 miles) from the plant site." I think it should be reworded.

Is "the radioactive plume" something specific or only a way to express the drifting radioactive particles? What does "touching down" mean (I though rain was the main reason to get contamination at some spot)? Is it important to mention "populated areas"? Most of Europe is definitely populated, and I think densely and less densely populated areas were about equally affected. And from where is the 500 km figure? I understand Sweden (very health conscious, which may put things out of proportions) was affected bad enough that some food stuff is still monitored for radiation because of the fallout. --LPfi (talk) 06:59, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Hotel Facilities
Speaking for the ground floor of the hotel at least, the rooms do not have their own bathroom facilities - there are separate toilet and shower facilities (2 rooms with a toilet, shower cubicle) —The preceding comment was added by 109.156.94.146 (talk • contribs)

Problems cleaning up history section
After rewriting the history section, I encountered issues trying to delete remains of the old and poorly structured content. Wikivoyage reports my edits have been declined because they were "automatically identified as harmful" by an "abuse filter" regarding attempts to blank a page. Can anyone do something about this please? Thanks! —The preceding comment was added by 82.132.237.53 (talk • contribs)

 * It seems to me, a simple solution would be for you to make the necessary deletions in stages instead of all at once. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:18, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * (ec) This comes from editing from an IP. I have temporarily disabled the filter, but we will have to re-enable it soon. If you create an account, you can avoid this issue in the future. It will also keep all your contributions in one place and allow us to contact you. I will leave a talk page message with some links. ARR8 (User talk:ARR8 | Special:Contributions/ARR8) 19:21, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Done rewriting history section and deleted the outdated/incoherently written stuff. Feel free to turn your filters back on, User:ARR8, and thanks for the assistance! —The preceding comment was added by 109.170.229.117 (talk • contribs)
 * Thank you! Small thing: Please sign posts on talk (discussion) pages like this one. Oddly enough, you do that by typing 4 tildes (~) in a row at the end of the post. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:28, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

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Breadcrumb
Given that Chernobyl is now under Russian control, where should this article be breadcrumbed? -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

 * I wouldn't change it yet. It's merely under military occupation, not annexed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:00, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, I only read the headline and two sentences during a five-minute break but I just read the full CBN article now. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:53, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

 * No. We cannot be changing breadcrumbs as fronts move in a war. –LPfi (talk) 09:23, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Chornobyl, Ukraine
Why are we referring to Chornobyl by its Russian name, Chernobyl? Chornobyl is Ukraine and, as anyone with any access to non-Russia/non-PRC news sources knows, Russia has been waging brutal war on all of Ukraine since 24 Feb 2022 (and on Crimea and Donbass since 2014). Maybe mainstream media were fine with using a Russian name for a Ukrainian oblast at the time of the original 1986 disaster, when the Soviet Union was very much still extant and, by extension, Ukraine was under Soviet occupation, but we're in 2022 now and the world is a very different place. There's a war on.

We wouldn't file London under Londres or Germany under Alemania - their French and Spanish names - so why would we use a third country's naming for Chornobyl? 66.102.87.40 18:38, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * because of policy. WV:Naming conventions: "articles should use the city, region or country name most commonly used in English-speaking countries". Chernobyl is still prevalent - the HBO miniseries comes to mind. Ibaman (talk) 18:49, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Precisely. There may come a time when the Ukrainian name is used more in English, but given the pervasiveness of news coverage under the Russian name, I think it'll be some time before it's forgotten in the English-speaking world. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:59, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with the above, it's just typical naming conventions. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 19:57, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * 7 days ago the BBC reported Ukraine war: Chernobyl scarred by Russian troops' damage and looting. Can the IP suggesting the name change please provide some examples of recent news coverage in English language sources which use Chornobyl.
 * I also see that a request to move the page was rejected on WP. We have a redirect from Chornobyl which is sufficient for the limited English language use of the name. AlasdairW (talk) 22:51, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * And as a side note, I sometimes take a peek at what the Chinese media is saying in their news since I understand Chinese, and news about the Russian invasion of Ukraine is not censored in China. They often bring on pro-Russia and pro-Ukraine commentators to debate with each other, and the tone of the Chinese state media coverage of the war is more neutral than pro-Russia. I know of a Ukrainian woman who posts videos on Chinese social media where she clearly adopts a pro-Ukraine position (and she posts videos in Chinese because she studied in China), and she has not been censored. And in the Chinese media, every now and then, they make it a point to remind people of what Russian imperialism did to them during the "Century of Humiliation", so what they are basically saying is that the Russians cannot be trusted, but they need to have this marriage of convenience for now because America is the bigger threat. But there has also been quite a fair bit of criticism of Russia in the Chinese media for being too hasty to go to war. The dog2 (talk) 23:26, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * That's interesting and sounds like a fairly sensible take for China. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:47, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It appears that Reuters has changed their spelling, if https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/chornobyl-radiation-detectors-back-online-levels-normal-iaea-2022-06-07/ is representative. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:53, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * We should watch things, but we need to keep in mind the impact of all the media coverage in and since 1986, not just current-day changes. I think at the very least, we will probably need to wait x-number of years before changing the spelling if we ever do. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:06, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

 * Also, people should be careful of what media stories they believe. There have been claims in the media that the Chinese delegation walked out when Zelensky gave his speech at Davos, and more recently at the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore. Turns out it was the Vietnamese delegation both times, and people just assumed that it was the Chinese just because they look Asian. The dog2 (talk) 13:50, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Chernobyl remains the most widely used spelling, and even so, the difference is only one letter. Some changes have been amplified due to the war, such as Kiev to Kyiv, but Chernobyl is not one of them. I agree with the consensus to keep "Chernobyl" until the change becomes widely accepted, as was concluded in Turkiye. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 15:16, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Cherokee

Redirect?
I propose redirecting Qualla Boundary to here. See Talk:Qualla Boundary. --(WT-en) Eoghanacht 11:39, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * If they're basically the same place then you're right, one should redirect to the other. Before doing so, however, please first merge the info from Qualla Boundary into the Cherokee article. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 11:46, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Naturally. Maybe sometime next week. (WT-en) Eoghanacht 13:21, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)

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There is another entry for the same place. http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Cherrapunji. I am new to wikivoyage. Request members to merge this entry. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Anurag.thakur84 (talk • contribs)

 * Done. --(WT-en) Globe-trotter 07:09, 31 January 2012 (EST)

thanks --(WT-en) Anurag.thakur84 03:52, 1 February 2012 (EST)

 INCORRECT REDIRECTION :

Sir, This has been incorrectly redirected from Cherrapunjee to Cherrapunji. Please note the difference in the spellings. The official name as per the Meghalaya Government's official website too is : Cherrapunjee and not Cherrapunji.

This is the reason for correcting the redirection from Cherrapunjee to Cherrapunji. For clarification and verification, the official Meghalaya Govt's link is pasted below:

http://megtourism.gov.in/dest-khasi.html

Please check the spelling on the 1st line of this webpage. (WT-en) chourasia 22:50, 29 April 2012 (EDT)chourasia

title: Talk:Cherrapunjee


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Talk:Cherry Hill

all confusing... pics dont have any headers seems sloppy and sections are all in caps some of them. --71.254.104.10 23:24, 8 November 2008 (EST) i know your probably busy but just to let you know. --71.254.104.10 23:24, 8 November 2008 (EST)
 * Thanks for pointing this out. I'll start cleaning it up a little. (WT-en) Texugo 23:33, 8 November 2008 (EST)
 * Allready did the images, but the listings could use your help :o) What a mess! (WT-en) Sertmann 23:34, 8 November 2008 (EST)
 * Notified the author of her mistakes. Again thanks for pointing this out, and even greater thanks for your work to fix it! please do consider signing up here :o) (WT-en) Sertmann 23:42, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Yes
Tag teaming, biatch! :o) (WT-en) Sertmann 23:56, 8 November 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah, I got the listings all cleaned up. That was an amazingly coordinated and speedy clean-up job we did! (WT-en) Texugo 23:59, 8 November 2008 (EST)

title: Talk:Cherry Hill


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Talk:Cherthala

Merger or not?

 * Keep: This meets the criteria for a separate article.  A town with very good access to Cochin and the Backwaters. Has a few tourist attractions of its own. (WT-en) Sulfis 13:05, 18 December 2009 (EST)
 * Keep: This town is away (~1 hour by ordinary bus) from Alappuzha, though it is in Alappuzha. And it has its own hotels, lodges, restaurants and attractions. ···V ani s che nu「m/Talk」 06:39, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

This article was tagged for merging back in 2009, but that proposal is disputed by the two individuals above. Should it still be tagged, or can the tag be removed? -- Ryan • (talk) • 22:21, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Since there is some dissent as to whether this article should be merged I've removed the merge tag for now. -- Ryan • (talk) • 04:00, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Suspect typo
from Correct typos in one click plys->ploys? (omit) context: KSRTC low floor AC VOLVO also plys plys through the route

title: Talk:Cherthala