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Talk:Falkland Islands

Island Pages
Should the smaller islands (currently somewhat awkwardly listed under See) be joined together as a single, separate page, as "Outer Islands (Falklands)" or whatever the correct term is? It seems unlikely that they will ever grow into article-length entries. (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:53, 15 Feb 2005 (EST)

 * I'll update this a bit more as I have time. This is my first attempt with the whole wiki thing, so let me know if I'm doing anything wrong.  I did try and read through the various style guides and a few other entries before starting.

 * The island bits can probably be moved to their own pages and expanded, and the Stanley section needs more work. Also, once the image uploading is fixed I'll try and add a few pictures to this section. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 01:02, 15 Feb 2005 (PST)

 * I've created two new pages for Sea Lion Island and Pebble Island using the district template -- hopefully this is correct. I followed what was done for the various districts in Singapore, but please let me know if there is a better way to handle this.  And since it may seem odd to use districts for islands, keep in mind that in the Falklands the islands generally have a single owner and populations that you can count on one hand, so using anything more comprehensive seemed like overkill.

 * As long as no one objects I'll go ahead and do the same for the remaining islands under the "See" section.

 * By the way, how do you get the user and time link to appear under these sorts of postings? Do I just type them in myself, or is there an automated way to do it?

 * Hi! To answer your second question first, just type four tildas (the squiggle line, like in some spanish words... sorry don't know how to make it show up!) and it will put in your username and date automagically.

 * Now your first question, we really try to use the district pages only for real districts. No matter how small a destination is, it gets its own article. If these places are really really tiny, like maybe not even a Project:What is an article?, then you can put them as attractions. But if they are places you'd stay and eat and sleep, then they should probably get their own pages. I'll try and dig up the big long conversation that explains the reasoning behind this... I look forward to reading more! (WT-en) Majnoona 14:54, 16 Feb 2005 (EST)

 * Thanks! According to the criteria on the Project:What is an article? page the outlyting islands definitely should get their own article. If I'm using the wrong template (which is likely, I have a small brain) then let me know what is appropriate, although I didn't immediately see another template that looked relevant. (WT-en) Wrh2 15:00, 16 Feb 2005 (EST)

 * The template is fine (district & small city are pretty much identical), but the naming is a little off — districts are only used for huge cities. So I've moved Falkland Islands/Pebble Island to just plain Pebble Island, etc. If somebody ever writes up a Pebble Island somewhere else (?) then it can be moved to Pebble Island (Falklands). (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:29, 16 Feb 2005 (EST)

 * OK, sounds good. Thanks for cleaning up the pages. (WT-en) Wrh2 22:10, 16 Feb 2005 (EST)

Two thumbs up!
Amazing work! Add in a few pictures, absorb the last bits of the Factbook and this will be prime Destination of the Month material. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:03, 17 Feb 2005 (EST)

More Changes
Still trying to clean this up a bit more, but feel free to revert if I'm making a cess pit of things. After taking a look at how the entry for Hawaii is done I changed the Falklands entry so that the outlying islands are under "Regions". Also, since the "cities" in the Falklands have populations in the dozens, I renamed that to "Towns" -- feel free to revert if needed. Weddell is gone now, too -- it wasn't a place I remembered from my travels, and a quick look at the travel guide shows that it's not a major destination. Oh, I also removed "Other Destinations" since the islands are under "Regions" now. (WT-en) Wrh2 02:01, 17 Feb 2005 (EST)

 * You're doing a great job! The templates aren't cast in steel, feel free to edit them as necessary — places as remote and thinly populated as the Falklands don't really fit the city templates that well. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:55, 17 Feb 2005 (EST)

Goose Green & Port Howard
I'm going to be on the road for a bit, and internet access may be sporadic, but before I head off I just wanted to note that Goose Green and Port Howard still have no content behind them. I've not visited either place, and therefore wouldn't be able to create more than a basic stub for either one. For now I think both of these can be left empty, and hopefully in the future someone who has visited them can create articles, rather than me trying to cobble something together based on information from the internet and travel guides. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 21:50, 10 Mar 2005 (EST)

Cities vs. Towns
Since there is a descriptive note under "Towns" indicating that most settlements in the Falklands have populations of less than 50 it seems fair to leave the heading as "town". I realize that it doesn't exactly follow the template, but "city" seems a bit silly for the Falklands. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 08:53, 15 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Country or Territory?
The term Country is used several times in the article. However, it is really only a dependent Territory of the United Kingdom. So I think Country should be replaced with Territory or else island. -- (WT-en) Huttite 23:12, 2 Dec 2005 (EST)
 * Makes sense, thanks. -- (WT-en) Ryan 16:23, 3 Dec 2005 (EST)

Islas Malvinas
This article makes it clear that Argentina has claims on the island, but there have still been numerous edits to change the text of the article. At present the country is administered and most commonly known as the Falkland Islands, with the capital named Stanley. If you would like to change the article to more explicitly reflect Argentina's claims, please discuss here first with any arguments as to why those changes are appropriate. Undiscussed changes will almost certainly end up being reverted, so please take the time to state your case if you feel changes must be made. -- (WT-en) Ryan 16:23, 3 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * It looks like the Argentine vs. British debate is flaring up again, so I've toned down the history section a bit more to make it clear that the islands are controlled by Britain, claimed by Argentina, and the whole history of how things got that way is muddled. Per Project:Be fair policy is to "stick to the bare minimum of facts necessary, presented as neutrally as possible, while keeping a firm focus on the traveller's interests".  A traveler doesn't care who had what garrison at what time in the early 19th century, so hopefully this new text is acceptable. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:17, 1 March 2010 (EST)

LAN Chile
Does the LAN Chile flight still exist as described? Their Website returns zilch for a Punto Arenas-Port Stanley routing. 81.138.12.5 12:04, 13 September 2006 (EDT)

 * It's not showing up on the LAN route map, so you may want to check with a travel agent. If it turns out that the flight is no longer operating please feel free to update the information in the Falklands article. -- (WT-en) Ryan 13:36, 13 September 2006 (EDT)

The LAN flight goes to Mount Pleasant (MPN), not Port Stanley (PSY).

Also 112 for emergencies?
I've never been to the Falklands (and am unlikely to visit there on my upcoming round the world tour). Does anyone know if 112 can be used in addition to 999?

http://www.falklandislands.com/shopimages/imagelibrary/pdfs/harbour-info-basic.pdf

--W. Frankemailtalk 17:06, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Hi W. Frank, I have visited the islands and I'm pretty sure (but not absolutely certain) that 112 is a European thing, so only 999 is used on the Falklands. This cool list seems to confirm this. I think there's some technicality (presumably geography) meaning that despite being a territory of an EU member state the Falklands aren't part of the EU or subject to its laws and policies. Regards, --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:21, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

South America or not?
Currently the Falkland Islands are arranged in the hierarchy under South America. Is this the right place, or would it be better to categorize it under Islands of the Atlantic Ocean or Islands of the Southern Ocean (it's actually listed in Islands_of_the_Southern_Ocean and Stanley (Falkland Islands) is listed as a city there).

For a comparison, the Canary Islands are geographically much closer to continental Africa than the Falklands are to the South American continent, but they are still arranged under Islands of the Atlantic Oceanϒpsilon (talk) 19:35, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

 * I think it makes sense to leave them in the South America hierarchy. Argentina claims ownership of the islands, none of the current sub-Antarctic islands have any significant populations, and Wikipedia notes that the biodiversity of the Falklands is similar to Patagonia. -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:48, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

 * Well the islands are in the south Atlantic Ocean, which is an undisputable fact versus semi-relevant details like Argentina's claim and how similar or otherwise the Falklands are to Patagonia. If there were no Islands of the Atlantic Ocean category, then obviously the Falklands should be listed as South American rather than Antarctic, but since there is such a category, I think we should use it. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:58, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

 * Would it break the hierarchy to list them in both? You can also make a case in the case of the Canary islands to list them under Europe, as they are and have been for centuries Spanish and are fully integrated with the EU.... (and the borders of Europe are a fuzzy concept to begin with not least with islands such as Malta or Cyprus) Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:23, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

 * (edit conflict) I don't feel strongly enough about a change to object, but having made several trips to the Falklands and to a few of the Southern Ocean islands I think South America is the right home for the Falklands. The various "Islands of..." pages exist mainly to serve as a home for articles that don't fit elsewhere, but the Falklands are a short plane ride from the continent, they lie above the South Polar convergence, Wikipedia and other sites list them as part of South America, they are part of the South American continental shelf... I just don't see a compelling reason to move them, and think that doing so will create confusion for readers who expect to find them as a part of our South America hierarchy. -- Ryan • (talk) • 21:33, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

 * Well that's a more convincing set of arguments than before. They are a lot closer to South America than St Helena / Ascension Island are to Africa and so less ambiguous. I don't see why the Falklands couldn't be listed in both hierarchies, though if they can only be listed one place I am more convinced now that they should stay where they are. Just from a personal perspective (and I'm not saying this is relevant to the debate), having been to the Falklands but nowhere else on the continent, I've never really considered myself having visited South America. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 07:58, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

 * Simply from a geographic perspective the Falkland isles should belong with South America. Politically... well that is something we should keep away from completely :) Andrewssi2 (talk) 07:50, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Usable Status?
I think this article needs to be moved up to usable status. Seems complete enough. Blackdiamand (talk) 04:21, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

 * See Country guide status. Do all the territory's main destinations have articles that are Usable or better? And, with no links to articles about the two main islands, is the article's regional structure valid, or if valid, Usable? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:44, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Bad design
In a 1920x1080 screen there is a misalignment with the region map and the quickbar: the map makes the quickbar to go inside the article. Quickbar could be moved to the beginning of the article, but it may push map below, specially in larger screens, or could be added a "div clear". --Zerabat (talk) 18:07, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

 * If there's something wrong and you see a way to probably fix it, try fixing it when you have the time. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:53, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

 * The quickbar is now placed in Understand in every country article, per this recent discussion. I've moved it down a bit though to get it away from the map; can you see any improvement Zerabat? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:33, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Now it's OK. --Zerabat (talk) 12:09, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Potentially new flight route
Seems like there might be a new flight route from Sao Paulo via Cordoba: https://en.mercopress.com/2019/04/26/falklands-second-flight-this-time-to-sao-paulo-set-to-start-in-november Just keeping a watch on this. Should update this if the flights actually show up for November (currently they don't). Marathonian (talk) 09:02, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Good spot. Once it makes it out of the press and onto LATAM's booking website, we can add it to the article.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:19, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Reinstated text
To be clear for the sake of copyright about restoring revisions, in a recent edit of mine I restored some content from an older edit without using the "undo" button. Of course, there might also be disagreement with the content I reinstated. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 20:51, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Towards usable
Per Petscan, there are three outline articles (+ 6 usable articles:
 * Goose Green
 * West Point Island
 * North Arm

If these are upgraded to usable, we should have South America's next usable country. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:18, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Falls Church

Style tag
I strongly believe that the current subheader scheme for the eat section is the most helpful for the traveler, as Eden Center is both daunting for first time visitors and has even more top recommendations than the rest of Falls Church, and that it warrants an exception to our more conventional category schemes. It makes sense to break down Eden Center in a different manner than the rest of Falls Church. Similarly, I will be making a separate map just for Eden Center (really, it's intimidating and confusing to a first-time non-Vietnamese visitor). --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:22, 20 June 2012 (EDT)

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Talk:Falls Creek

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I have written this from scratch, if someone could take it from here it would be appreciated. I have used mainly my knowledge from skiing at the resort for 11 years, but am not up to date with the accomodation, as i stay in a club lodge. --(WT-en) Npmontgomery 21:44, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Fallujah

Mid-range
Who the hell wrote that stuff about shawarma? Provide a citation or a link, Harry.

 * Actually we don´t use citations like Wikipedia does, if you know for sure the info is wrong, feel free to change or delete it – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 23:01, 1 January 2008 (EST)

The information given was entirely fictional and was removed.

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Talk:Falmouth (Massachusetts)

Need a local to sort the restaurants by price into Budget, Moderate, Splurge.

Banner update
Thanks! ButteBag (talk) 16:25, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:False Bay

Greetings. I'm Dave Mullany, a South African photojournalist. My e-mail address is davemullany@worldonline.co.za. I don't want to be a party pooper or anything, but I think you'll find your information regarding False Bay and the Atlantic Ocean is incorrect. Contrary to popular misconception, the Atlantic and Indian Oceans do not meet at Cape Point, but much further south-east - at Africa's southernmost point - Cape Agulhas. All of which means: False Bay isn't on the Atlantic - it's part of the Indian Ocean. Have a lovely day :-)

 * Actually, False Bay is on the Atlantic, not Indian Ocean, specifically for the reasons you pointed out above; it is located west of Cape Agulhas. The entry under False_Bay is however very confusing and will copyedit that. By the way, you are welcome to edit article that you feel is incorrect. --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 12:40, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

VfD discussion
Body of water, not a destination. One does not go to "False Bay" as such, one goes to the destinations on its coast specified by name. Most are part of Cape Town, but some are not, making a redirect inappropriate.
 * Merge and delete (WT-en) Pbsouthwood 02:12, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Redirect Keep. As a real geographical place, it should be redirected, rather than deleted, per Project:Deletion_policy. A casual Google/Wikipedia search didn't answer the question of to where, though. If it's inhabited, then perhaps to the appropriate region article? If it's not, then maybe even to Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:27, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Scratch that, should have looked at it first. It's a valid region article, and is about the cities in the bay area, not the water itself. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:29, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
 * This article should be kept and updated. False Bay is the marina destination which makes all the surrounding cities of the bay relevant.  False Bay is one of the better destinations in the West Cape for water activities and viewing of marine animals. --(WT-en) Daniel Talk 02:29, 10 January2010 (EDT)

 * Result: Keep. (WT-en) LtPowers 15:58, 7 March 2010 (EST)

Why "false"?
I can understand "False Creek" in Vancouver; from the ocean, it looks like a river mouth, but it is just an inlet. But why is this "false bay"? On the map, it looks like an actual bay, unless my limited knowledge of maritime matters is leading me astray. (WT-en) Pashley
 * I looked it up on Wikipedia a couple of weeks ago. As I recall, it's because the northern shore of the bay resembles the Cape of Good Hope, causing early sailors to think they'd reached the tip of Africa, when they actually had some distance to go yet.  (WT-en) LtPowers 11:09, 2 September 2010 (EDT)
 * My recollection was incorrect; according to wikipedia:False Bay, False Bay was actually confused for Table Bay to the north. (WT-en) LtPowers 11:10, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Fargo

Moorhead as a suburb of Fargo
As one who lives in Fargo and works in Moorhead, I'm uncomfortable with the way this article makes it seem that Moorhead is merely a suburb of Fargo. Moorhead is smaller than Fargo, but the word "suburb" implies a that Fargo is the city and Moorhead is merely an outlying area of Fargo. This isn't accurate, and I don't think it's right that, for instance, Dilworth (which is a suburb of Moorhead) is referred to as a suburb of Fargo, along with Moorhead. Or that Fargo is given credit for Sarello's, a restaurant which is actually in Moorhead. Removing all such references from this article may require considerable rewriting, so I can't get to it right away, but I'm thinking about it. Somebody let me know if I'm off base.(WT-en) Spottacus 01:31, 5 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Plunge forward! If you see changes to make, then make them. Filling out the Moorhead article would help to make your case. I notice you've added a ton of restaurants to that article, but try to focus on a few restaurants (in Budget/Mid-range/Splurge price categories) that are unique or notable in Moorhead - we generally don't list things like Burger King or Taco Bell that can be found anywhere, unless they are the only places to eat for 500 miles. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 12:07, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Faridabad

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Is Ballabgarh a suburb of Faridabad or a separate town in Faridabad (district). - (WT-en) Huttite 20:32, 1 January 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Far North Queensland

Why Tropical North Queensland and not just North Queensland or perhaps Tropical Queensland? The name seems to be a tautology and sounds like marketing hyperbole rather than fair dinkim Aussie usage. This is likely to just be called North? What is the most common English name? See Project:Article naming conventions. -- (WT-en) Huttite 08:57, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * I'd suggest "Far North Queensland", which is a semi-official term. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:42, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * Is the Cape York Peninsula a separate region or a sub-region of Far North Queensland? If it's a sub-region, we need a separate sub-region for Cairns/Port Douglas etc anyway. 218.214.66.203 18:41, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * Sigh, I'm User:(WT-en) Hypatia. It even says I'm logged in at the top of the page, so goodness knows what's wrong. 218.214.66.203 18:42, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * It's a bug. It happens every time you add an item to your watchlist, and maybe other times too.  Just click "Log out" and log in again. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:47, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)
 * 17 years late to the discussion, but Tropical Queensland is misleading. Technically, Tropical Queensland covers everything in Queensland north of the 23° line, but a lot of that is covered in Outback Queensland and Central Queensland, and as someone who's lived in Queeensland before, nobody ever called the region Tropical Queensland when I was living there – only Far North Queensland or Far North. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:58, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

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What are the annual average temperatures? 81.7.62.205 (talk) 21:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

o.e
Is this anything like the average article starts out at or is this just a well developed one? I was in 'carveiro' (which is in the Algarve) last year and I may make an article on it but 1. I'm not sure if i'll have enough information on it and 2. It's nowhere near as much as this article has. Matticusmadness (talk) 11:38, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Plunge forward. We have many articles that just templates, so please add what you know.  It's a wiki!  --Inas (talk) 11:40, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Faroe Islands

CIA World Factbook 2002
For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Faroe Islands/CIA World Factbook 2002 import. -- (WT-en) Huttite 03:13, 28 Mar 2005 (EST)

Uninhabited islands
Are all of the linked islands inhabited? If not, they probably don't count as destinations needing their own article. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 09:39, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

 * ...welllllllllll, not entirely. If it's a place that you could camp or sleep over, I think an uninhabited island might be a destination. --(WT-en) Evan 11:08, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Well, I did say "probably". My point was that just being a place on the map doesn't make something a destination; you need to be able to write a usable article about it. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 16:47, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, I see your point. All of the Islands are inhabited except the very small Island Lítla Dímum - Sheep only occupy it. You wouldn’t be able to stay there - it’s simply too small. So I’ll remove it from the article. You can write articles about every other island, even the small ones - these tend to be very popular with tourists, especially Mikines. It’s only inhabited by about 15 people, but gets 8000 visitors per year. (WT-en) Soppho 16:46, 6 May 2007 (EDT)

Actually, you can write about Lítla Dímum. Apparently tourist trips are organized where poeple ascent the island. Not for people with vertigo.(WT-en) Soppho 10:44, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

 * That's fine. I just didn't want to see dozens of articles with little or no useful travel information in each of them, just because they're separate islands.  Along the same lines, I'm wondering whether each village needs its own article, or whether an island with a few villages (such as Sandoy, for example) might be covered in a single article.  Alternatively, could the islands be covered in groups (such as by political constituency, which also seems to make some geographic sense)?  Whenever I see a long list of items, it looks like an opportunity to divide them into regions instead, to better organize the information.  So these lists of about twenty islands and villages make me wonder about this. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 23:26, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

Yes, I have been thinking about dividing them into groups - I just haven’t made my mind up how to divide them yet... Perhaps the northern islands in one group, the central islands in one, the socalled "outer" islands in another and finaly the southern islands in one group. No, I don’t think every single village needs it’s own article; I’ve only mentioned a few with tourist attractions, - and I definitely do think it would be a good idea to cover an Island such as Sandaoy in one single article, it would in all likelihood make a more interesting and informative article, than a very short one.--(WT-en) Soppho 10:58, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

Regions
If anyone plans on adding more cities, i'd propose a region breakdown, maybe something rougly taken from this

 * Sandoy - Sandoy, Skúvoy & Stora Dímun
 * Suduroy - Suduroy & Litla Dímun
 * Nordoyggjar - Kalsoy, Kunoy, Bordoy, Svinoy & Fugloy

These three could maybe be grouped as as "Mainland" since they are connected by road.
 * Vagár - Vagár & Myknes
 * Stremoy/Central - Kultur, Hestur, Nolsoy, Stremoy
 * Eysturoy

Biased much?
"Another place is Cleopatra right in the town center which has a restaurant on the lower floor, with the main bar on the next floor up. The entrance to the bar is up some green felt stairs. This is not a "ok" place to be seen at in the Faroes."

Not an ok place?? Is there something i've misunderstood? It seems weird to me that Cleopatra (which is a decent place) is given such bad publicity, while Deep and Rex (who have the same owner btw) are given such a high recommendation? This reaks of immoral advertising. I suggest whoever wrote that should be banned from this wiki! 130.225.165.42 19:07, 30 August 2010 (EDT)Mortan

 * Agree (and deleted), --(WT-en) ClausHansen 17:01, 12 September 2010 (EDT)

This is a tourist guide. I just wanted to guide people away from a dirty place like Cleopatra. I can´t see why it is in a travel guide? Not because I am advertising, but because Cleopatra is one of the worst places in town (it is embarrassing to be seen at Cleopatra, if you are not 16 and stoned). Its just a plane simple fact. The "Resturant" below always gives people food poisoning. I can say other things but I can´t officially source them, so I wont. Its pointless to "bann" me since I am only telling the truth. If a tourist comes to Tórshavn no one is going to say anything different, except the few druggies and musicians who hang out there. So, why don´t you start writing something on the actual article if you know so much? (WT-en) Merchury 13:01, 22 December 2010 (EST)

From a visitor
I very much enjoyed reading the wikivoyage article. The best bit was at the end in the 'Respect' section and I would certainly be mindful of my manners. Apart from that, Happy Midsummer! The reason I checked out the Faroes was becuse there it is a full 20 hours daylight at this time of year which I think is great. More like 18 here in mid-East Scotland. But sunnier - oops!

86.138.3.86 16:36, 19 June 2012 (EDT)

Celtic maternal DNA
This is some of the background to this edit I just made:
 * http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1000343
 * http://genetica.ufcspa.edu.br/artigos/artigos%20genetica%20de%20populacoes/Migracao%20e%20deriva%20genetica.pdf -- A l i c e ✉ 22:14, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Discussing the ancestry of the islanders, Alice changed Scottish to Irish/Scots, then I changed it to Celtic. The current Scots & Irish population have much Viking blood as well, so using Celtic, as the papers referenced and even Alice's title above do, seems clearer.

I also think this is too much detail for a travel guide, we should leave details to WP, and just say "The islanders have a mixed ancestry, mainly Norse and Celtic." here. Other opinions on that? Pashley (talk) 22:31, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I think your change is a better replacement for Irish/Scots (which replaced "Scottish", which was itself a recent replacement for "Irish") as long as the Picts don't cry foul (grin).
 * I think that the difference between the maternal and paternal DNA analyses is an intriguing tidbit that is appropriate for our Faroe Islands travel guide. Especially as there are very few destination articles (possibly Iceland?) where one could not write "The inhabitants have a mixed ancestry" and until and unless we are allowed to use a precision in-line text link to the directly relevant WP article (I see that argument for WP text links being deadlocked indefinitely and never achieving a consensus for change). -- A l i c e ✉ 23:59, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

 * I agree it is intriguing; I now wonder if you would see similar differences in other areas with a long history of raiding, various horse tribes raiding China, the great pirate fleets of Borneo & Mindanao, etc. They all carried off women wholesale, I think. Is that what produces such differences? Pashley (talk) 00:14, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Presumably. I seem to recall that Genghis Khan is reputed to have the most number of descendants of any identified historical figure. -- A l i c e ✉ 01:27, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Merge Streymoy districts?
I see no reason to divide Streymoy into two districts. Shall we merge Northern Streymoy and Southern Streymoy to Streymoy? /Yvwv (talk) 23:01, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. If we don't count metro Tórshavn Streymoy has a population of something like 3,000 people. I don't see how this warrants two articles when it can be covered in one, and even less why it would warrant two region articles. MartinJacobson (talk) 15:29, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Merge cities into regions?
We currently have 30 articles, 25 of which are outlines, covering this area with 50,000 inhabitants. Many of these articles describe tiny hamlets, like Hov, population 127, and Porkeri, population 362... Tórshavn is the only place with more than 5,000 inhabitants. While these articles often do satisfy the sleep test I can't see how the current division is usable to a traveler. I would suggest that we merge all cities except Tórshavn into their parent regions and reorganize these region articles to city articles. This would leave us with ~7 usable articles rather than 25 skeletons. MartinJacobson (talk) 15:25, 25 March 2018 (UTC) As there has been no objection for two months, I think you can go ahead and reorganize these articles as you propose. Ground Zero (talk) 04:03, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - this would make the guides more useful for travellers. Ground Zero (talk) 15:48, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - maybe a couple of towns could stay as such but most regions/islands could be city articles.--Traveler100 (talk) 16:23, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Support the Falkland Islands has this issue too. A population of less than 4000 with 9 articles (most articles are regions/islands but there are a few tiny settlements other than the capital classified as cities). Gizza ( roam ) 06:07, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ MartinJacobson (talk) 11:57, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Hiking
I reverted a link to Hiking in the Nordic countries, as I am not sure the advice in the article is relevant to the Faroe Islands. At least there should be a sentence or two here that point out differences (the lack of right to access is already stated), and at least a sentence or a few in the lead of the article, more if needed. As of now, it says: "For Faeroe Islands, Greenland and Svalbard, see their main articles."

I now also started a discussion at Hiking in the Nordic countries.

–LPfi (talk) 14:48, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

 * Did you intend to link to Talk:Hiking in the Nordic countries instead? -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:47, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * But back to the main point, I can understand sending readers to the respective articles for Greenland and Svalbard, but the Faroes? I've never been there, surely the conditions will be somewhat like Norway's. Unfortunately, internet coverage of the Faroes are quite low, and the same goes with our coverage here too (and we only have one guide article from the Faores; Klaksvík), but the geography of the Faroe Islands is very similar to Western Norway's – weather, climate, the landscape and elevation too. I did find this on the official tourism website, so maybe the Faroes should really be included in Hiking in the Nordic countries with a separate Hiking destinations in the Faroe Islands article as a supplement. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:11, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm OK with covering the Faroe Islands there, given that somebody does what is needed (see the talk section I tried to link and you linked). I am not OK with linking it (without comment) when the article refers back to here from the lead: "For Faeroe Islands, Greenland and Svalbard, see their main articles."
 * I really don't know what is similar or different here. What I have seen on photos from the Faroe Islands, the landscape is very different from the landscape I know of in Norway: open grassland and steep hillsides and cliffs. Of the twelve landscape photos in Understand and Destinations, none is on a landscape type I have seen on photos from the Faroe islands. On the other hand, eight are or could be from Finland, seven from Norway, nine from Sweden. Neither a quick look at the textual content gives me any "this could be the Faroes" vibes. Weather is probably "Northern Atlantic islands and coasts", which agrees with some of Iceland and Norway, but anything else I would like to see confirmed (and extended) before recommending reading it for hiking in the Faroes.
 * –LPfi (talk) 12:56, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Religion
User:2A02:AA1:1614:91E5:2848:812D:594:2456 added a paragraph on religion:
 * "Religion is an integral part of the Faroese society with more than 95% of the inhabitants adhering to Christianity and about 77% of the inhabitants being members of the Church of the Faroe Islands, an independent Lutheran state church."

Is the "integral part" statement true, or just a private extrapolation of the numbers? In the 1990s we had some 95% of Finns member of the Lutheran Church, while an overwhelming majority showed up in church only for Christmas, baptism, confirmation, marriage and funeral. I would like some discussion here (or in the article) if the statement is to stay (it seems there is a large percentage of members of revival movements, but that in itself doesn't make the religion "an integral part of society" in the sense I would understand that phrase).

–LPfi (talk) 09:51, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

 * I removed the bullet. As I don't know the religion's role, I cannot tweak it, just stating numbers is pointless (what's there to respect about that?) and if the numbers were over-interpreted, the bullet was misleading. –LPfi (talk) 11:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Sandoyartunnilin
The tunnel opened on Dec 21, 2023, and Faroe Islands needs an update. Where can one go to find the tolls? I couldn't find any information on it. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:48, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

 * To clarify, this is the website I couldn't find anything on about Sandoyartunnilin tolls. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 22:12, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It could also be out of date as the website still has this:
 * "Sandoyartunnilin, will open late 2023, links Streymoy and Sandoy. The tunnel is 10,8 [sic] km long."
 * -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 22:27, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Favela

Thanks for the content, but I'm afraid this doesn't fall under Project:What is an article?. Is there some way this can be added to the "Understand" sections of Brazil? Thanks! (WT-en) Majnoona 15:43, 12 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Well I just looked again and realized it was very wikipediay and sure enough, it's copied from there. There were several contributors to the wikipedia article so I dont think the copyleft is compatible... see Project:Cooperating with Wikipedia for more info. (WT-en) Majnoona 15:47, 12 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Good move. Yes, absolutely right. --(WT-en) Evan 16:52, 12 Mar 2004 (EST)

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Talk:Fayetteville (Arkansas)

Please leave the template on this page for at least a month. We are trying to get people from the University of Arkansas to provide information for this site. The template will provide them with a guide for correctly entering data onto this site. Thank you very much.
 * OK. Glad I checked this page as I was just in the process of removing the template direction informaiton. Would it be possible to just provide people with a link to the template outline for reference? The other option is to hide them using html comments so that they are only viable to people editing the page. Having the instructions in the guide makes it difficult for users to read or print out. We do, of course, appreciate the effort! (WT-en) Majnoona 11:33, 3 July 2006 (EDT)

Too Much Information?
I'm a bit concerned that this page is turning into the Fayetteville Yellow Pages, with listings for more restaurants than a temporary resident could get to, let alone a typical traveler visiting the city. It would be more useful to list only the places that you'd recommend to someone (and why: not just marketing blurbs). If all someone wants is to find the Fayetteville Applebee's, they can use the phone book for that. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 00:08, 4 July 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Fayetteville (North Carolina)

I took out the link to the official site. It might be the official site, but that is no excuse to download viruses on visitors' computers. Plus, it looks like spammers have a way to upload porn on the site. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 04:53, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Fayetteville (Tennessee)

The first part of this article has been lifted from http://www.fayettevilletn.com/index.asp?Type=NONE&SEC={7D6A49E8-DC0E-4C6F-AF29-5711BBBB1281} and much of the rest does not sound like it is original. (WT-en) Shep 15:24, 27 August 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Fátima

Related
It's a good idea to have other european pilgrimage sites listed as related.   should be added to the article once Santiago de Compostela is created --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 05:59, 15 July 2007 (EDT)
 * I agree with you. Anjo-sozinho (talk) 15:18, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That would be a good idea, but the template doesn't work in Wikivoyage like in Wikipedia. Thanks for the thought anyway. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:58, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * As far as I can see, the template also works here on WikiVoyage and even allows you to preview a small photo of the suggested location. It's sad to suppress this template. Anjo-sozinho (talk) 17:59, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

 * On my screen it doesn't work. Nothing ever appears out of this code. That's why I've been reverting it. Ibaman (talk) 18:19, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I can't see it either. Where does it appear? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:39, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Appears on all desktop versions (not mobile, I believe) at the bottom of the page. It includes a preview of the main photograph of the article and a descriptive with the name of the city and its location (from the WikiData). Anjo-sozinho (talk) 12:09, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

 * It does not and has never appeared on my screen, either on desktop or mobile. I edit very much more on desktop mode than on mobile; this code does NOT function, it must be mentioned. Ibaman (talk) 12:28, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, that description has jogged my memory. I have seen something like that a few times recently, but I can't remember which articles. Please don't SHOUT just because someone has different information to you. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:06, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * See this and scroll to the bottom of any article listed, for example: African National Parks. I can see 'Africa' and 'African flora and fauna' are both linked as 'related pages' (I'm currently on desktop). So the template does exist and it can work on Wikivoyage. However, is there a bug which prevents it from working on some pages? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:15, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * It works on desktop mode, yes. I really don't understand the attitude of certain WV users. Anjo-sozinho (talk) 13:19, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * It depends on what you're using to view the articles. On my Macbook Air laptop, related articles show up at the very bottom of the page (though they may take 2-3 seconds to load), for instance see: Working_abroad. This works both in the desktop and mobile mode and both in Safari and Firefox. On the other hand, my old Android tablet shows them neither in mobile nor desktop mode. ϒpsilon (talk) 13:25, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * There is also a slight delay (less than a second TBH) for me. I'm on a 5 year old Windows laptop using Chrome. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:36, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

 * On my Windows/Chrome setup it never appears. On mobile neither. Never ever, even with several seconds of delay-checking procedures. Sorry for sounding unpleasant; sometimes I get overzealous about formatting and copyedit issues over our pages. Ibaman (talk) 13:43, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * There does seem to be an underlying fault somewhere in the Wiki software where every so often individual computers display things differently to everyone else. My trouble with the banner on London seems to be a unique case. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:27, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Guided tours
As far as I can tell, according to WV:Tour we should not be listing Fatima Guided Tours. Have you read this policy? If you have, why do you think Fatima Guided Tours should be listed? What value does it give that travellers couldn't otherwise achieve by themselves? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:02, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

 * Dear the cited service is an important alternative to the tourist office of the city that does nothing special, nor provides any services to visitors. I had put it under the name "Guided Tours" but, as I know, the name of the service office is "Fatima Tourism". I believe it is important to remain listed because it is, like the listed hotels and restaurants, one of the most useful services for all travelers entering the city of Fatima, Portugal. Anjo-sozinho (talk) 15:17, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

 * Okay, but have you read the policy I linked to you? If travellers can take the tour of the town without a guide, then generally it is against policy to list guided tours. Could you possibly explain why it is useful to travellers? Why do we need to list it?
 * Happy new year, --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:55, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

 * Dear I have read what you have sent me, but I will explain: although it is usually called "Fatima" to the place where the famous Marian shrine of international fame is located, the fact is that it is located in the hamlet of "Cova da Iria", which is miles from Fatima, as well as from the village of Aljustrel and the place of Valinhos. It is common that most travelers who visit Fátima do not even leave Cova da Iria and have difficulty in locating the other places, touristic or not, of the city. In fact, Fatima was elevated as city by means of a special decree, not because it had no size or population to justify it. This service "Fatima Tourism" and also called "Pilgrims of Fatima Support Service" was created as a promoter of the city without any lucrative purpose. The costs that may exist, for all I know, are merely symbolic to ensure the maintenance of the service. We should keep this service listed, because it is entirely different from the others to give the necessary support to travelers on the city. Anjo-sozinho (talk) 17:54, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I understand and see what you mean. Thanks for taking the time to explain :-) --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:39, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. Cost is not an issue in Tour. Even "free" tours cannot be listed unless they "add value", as defined on that page. Anjo-sozinho, if we provide information about where the places pilgrims/tourists might want to visit are, why would it be so hard for them to visit them? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:43, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I explained the reasons above. If that were the case, then it would not be also necessary to list hotels or restaurants: travelers, when they arrived in each city, all they needed was to open their eyes and find everything they needed... Let's be reasonable. This is the service that offers maps and free guides to travelers move around in the city, which, unlike many others, is made up of several places and villages (it's the whole that makes up the city, not a city of ordinary format). Anjo-sozinho (talk) 00:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * If you did explain it this clearly, I sure didn't see such an explanation. Just checking, though: By free guides, do you mean guidebooks, people who guide or both? Thanks. Also, are you welcome to show up, pick up free materials and then take your own trips without a guide? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:52, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * According to I know the materials are all offered free (maps, prayer cards, etc.). As for the personalized guided tours, if requested, I believe they have a symbolic cost only for the maintenance of the service. As I hear, this service has no connection with tourist agencies or anything like that. It is just an important alternative to the "Tourism Office" (official) that practically nothing does and is only (in Fatima) an office / dependency of the Tourist Office of the Central region of Portugal. Anjo-sozinho (talk) 12:06, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * If those materials are an offer for free, regardless of whether a person chooses to take a guided tour or not, it's important to state that clearly in the listing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:18, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I putted in the "service" description that information. Anjo-sozinho (talk) 13:18, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:43, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Acute accent on "Fátima"

 * I happen to be a native-born speaker of Portuguese, and I cannot DREAM of writing this city's name without the acute accent. This edit was a borderline vandalism. There is no linguistic or philosophical or any reasonable motive behind such an act. This edit could not and will not stand. IK, you did right, and I would do the same and block the vandal. Ibaman (talk) 21:12, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

 * Anjo-sozinho has a long, constructive track record on this site, so I didn't give any thought to the idea of blocking Anjo-sozinho. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:16, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

 * (edit conflict)Woah, rein your indignance in, Ibaman. User:Anjo-sozinho - a Portuguese national and apparent resident of Fátima - has been very active in creating new content for this article, and has shown plenty of willingness to discuss changes on this very page - which you've been a part of, by the way. You therefore do the user a great injustice to call him/her a vandal. I very much hope you were joking about "block(ing) the vandal", because if that was a serious comment, I would seriously question your judgement in these matters going forward.
 * However, I do agree with Ikan's reversion, unless Anjo has any argument to offer? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:28, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

 * *I apologize for my moment of anger. A late grandmother of mine was named Maria de Fátima, after this sanctuary. It's silly of my part to feel personally offended, of course, obviously. Sorry about that. Ibaman (talk) 22:12, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Fürth

The title is spelt incorrectly. I should be Fuerth

 * Actually according to Wikivoyage naming standards it should be Furth, and I've moved it there with redirects in place -- compare Zurich. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:21, 27 Dec 2004 (EST)

 * Unfortunately I could not find the rule that German umlauts should be replaced by a, o, u anywhere on Wikivoyage. The standard transcription is ae, oe, ue. Using a, o, u can easily lead to misunderstandings. Furth for example is the German name of a town (and tourist destination) in the Bavarian Forest. Zurich is, in my eyes, an exception, since Zurich is the usual English name for Zuerich. (Try typing Zurich into Google, you will get hundreds of refernces to Zuerich. If you type Furth you will get references to Furth, but not to Fuerth). So my question: Is this really a policy? Where is it documented? (WT-en) Miknon 10:18, 9 Jan 2005 (EST)

Moved page. Fuerth is the most common used English form and the correct transcription. (WT-en) Miknon 15:07, 16 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * See Project:Article_naming_conventions and Project:Foreign-language names. Note that personally, I am of the opinion that the article name should be Fürth. (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:29, 17 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * I agree with moving to Fürth, with redirects from Furth and Fuerth of course. Zurich/Zürich is different in that Zurich is an accepted English version of the town, whereas Fürth, as far as I am aware, has no accepted/common English name. (WT-en) Brendio 17:14, 16 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * The better pointer is to Project:Article naming conventions, which puts latin chars with diacritics, like ü, explicitly into play.

 * Webster's and TGN both prefer Fürth. I realize that "ue" is a preferred transliteration when ü is not available, but it is, so there's not much reason to use them. I don't think we're in the same situation as the city's Web site (http://www.fuerth.de/), since DNS only allows US-ASCII chars (unless you're using something cool like Punycode). The upshot: I think Fürth is the most common English name, it's doable, so moving this was the right thing to do. --(WT-en) Evan 23:21, 16 Jan 2006 (EST)

Visit Toni Bechtold's house for some smooth jazz
Can only find references with copies of this wiiki site. Can someone confirm this as a destination people can visit? --Traveler100 (talk) 10:46, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Toni Bechtold is a jazz musician who plays in several jazz bands and won a cultural price in Fürth in 2010. But Alexanderstr.30 is domicile of Caritas Fürth, a catholic welfare organiation. There is no pub or concert room or something else.I also can´t find any connection. Next time when I'm in my hometown I'll try to find out.ManfredV (talk) 16:29, 4 August 2016 (UTC) There's another source that says the house was sold, modernized and used for comfort 	freehold flats. But no Fürth source can be found about "smoothe jazz concerts" there.ManfredV (talk) 18:13, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Today I was in Fürth and looked for this place. It is a house with flats. There is no reference (sign, doorbell panel or something else) that a Toni Bechtold lives there and of course there's no jazz club, pub etc. ManfredV (talk) 22:04, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

 * I hope the listing in question has been removed. Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:20, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

U-Bahn stations
Other than the two listed ones (which are indeed pretty central) there are also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadthalle_(Nuremberg_U-Bahn), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinikum_(Nuremberg_U-Bahn) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardh%C3%B6he_(Nuremberg_U-Bahn) , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakobinenstra%C3%9Fe_(Nuremberg_U-Bahn) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadtgrenze_(Nuremberg_U-Bahn) (literally "city border" that is, the border between Nuremberg and Fürth). Which of those should get a listing or marker of any kind? Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:01, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Füssen

Note to self, look for information regarding the Monastery of St. Mang. -- (WT-en) Andrew (Sapphire) 09:33, 22 October 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:February

India

 * 11-12 (2006) The Elephanta Festival of music and dance.

United States

 * 8th (2005): Mardi Gras in New Orleans

Alternative banner for this article?
Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 17:18, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Not good idea using Carnival as this changes months depending on the year (is dependent on the moon).

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Talk:Federal District

Merge
In favor of merging with Mexico City's article, since Mexico City and Federal District are for all intents and purposes the same thing. There's nothing that can be added to Federal District that doesn't also apply to Mexico City. (WT-en) psychofish 22:36, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

 * I definitely agree, please go ahead with it! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:41, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Federal Hill

Disambig
Well, I started making a disambig for this, since Geonames had hits for it, but as I poked around some more I couldn't find anything about towns by this name, just districts of Baltimore and Lynchburg. But since it is the name of two somewhat popular historic districts I didn't want to make a redirect to just one or the other. Does this type of disambig page seem like the right way to deal with it? I couldn't recall a similar situation, though I'm sure it's come up. (WT-en) Maj 14:17, 5 January 2007 (EST)
 * Before I noticed you had disambig-ed it, I was going to redirect it to Baltimore or Baltimore/Federal Hill (someone needs to get around to district-ifying B'more). But I've never been to Lynchburg, so what do I know?  If Lynchburg really has such a named district, then I think a disambig makes sense.  I had something slightly similar with Germantown (one of the disambigs was a neighborhood).  -- (WT-en) Jonboy 14:27, 5 January 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Federated States of Micronesia

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Federated States of Micronesia/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.

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Talk:Felucca cruise on the Nile

This information cannot be easily relegated to a textbox because it deals with several articles (Luxor, Kom Ombo, Aswan, Upper Egypt). I have changed it to an itinerary article, which should help the case against deletion. There is no other real satisfactory information on how to go about taking a long felucca ride, and I felt this would help other travelers who are interested in making the journey. I know I would have appreciated more info. (WT-en) Merrywanderer 18:25, 2 January 2008 (EST)

 * No worries, let's have the conversation at votes for deletion, that's where it counts at the moment :) – (WT-en) cacahuate   talk 19:09, 2 January 2008 (EST)

 * I left a note in User talk:(WT-en) Merrywanderer. Not sure if you've seen it. Something like 'A Felucca trip down the nile' (or is it up the nile, never could get that straight) might work and could be quite useful since it is popular enough.--(WT-en) Wandering 19:43, 2 January 2008 (EST)

VFD
This pages was at one time nominated for deletion, the discussion follows:

Felucca

 * "Delete". Not suitable for an article. --(WT-en) Wandering 16:06, 2 January 2008 (EST)
 * Unsure, but incline to keep. Not a destination for sure, but is there a reason why feluccas and other things like them are less of a topic than cruise ships? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:35, 2 January 2008 (EST)
 * Keep, but rename... cruise ship articles are pretty controversial already, I don't think I would keep it on those grounds if the article was just about feluccas in general, but it's set up as an itinerary, and I think it's a pretty popular one... I'm sure the info could just as easily be put into the get in / get out sections of Cairo and Luxor, but I don't think it hurts to arrange this itinerary also, as long as it remains an itinerary and doesn't turn into a travel topic about feluccas ;) I vote to rename to Take a felucca down the Nile, or something similar – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 18:58, 2 January 2008 (EST)
 * Keep, but rename. "Felucca cruises on the Nile"?  Felucca cruises are big in Egypt and, as an itinerary, it has the makings of a decent article already. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:22, 3 January 2008 (EST)
 * Just Nile cruises I think. Feluccas are one option, but there are also bigger boats. I'd suggest one itinerary article covering all waterborne possibilities. (WT-en) Pashley 08:20, 3 January 2008 (EST)
 * Or perhaps follow the pattern set by Along the Yangtze river and Along the Yellow river, use Along the Nile? (WT-en) Pashley 08:40, 3 January 2008 (EST)
 * Nile cruises is a little to general. Felucca rides and bigger Nile cruises are geared toward different sets of travelers ($5 per night vs. $40+) and are arranged in different ways.  Combining them could get unwieldy.  I would vote to rename it for easy linking from relevant articles, e.g. "Do: take a felucca cruise on the Nile"  (WT-en) Merrywanderer 10:48, 3 January 2008 (EST)
 * I don't think "Nile cruises" is too general at all. A sensible way to structure the article would be to put common considerations together (e.g. "Stay safe" will be nearly independent of how large a boat you're on) and then break out sections for feluccas, high-end cruises, etc.  The existing article could serve as the core for that, so I'm with Jani: rename this article to Nile Cruises, use the good work you already did as the starting point, and start adding things as alternatives to feluccas are developed. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:30, 3 January 2008 (EST)
 * I disagree with you a bit about their similarity (Understand, Prepare, and Get In will be different), but I won't argue too much about combining them. Perhaps the name "Nile Cruise" would be better for linking (e.g. "Do: take a Nile cruise" or "Get In: take a Nile cruise from Aswan").
 * Nile Cruise is too broad. There is a huge difference between taking one of those big cruise boat trips along the Nile from Cairo to Aswan and taking a felucca ride along the Nile (usually from Luxor to Aswan, I think). Somewhat akin to the differences between Newtonian and Quantum Mechanics. A 'Felucca journey up the Nile' would be a great addition to the itinerary library while a Nile Cruise travel topic (can't really be an itinerary) would be just ho-hum.--(WT-en) Wandering 14:34, 3 January 2008 (EST)
 * I'd say Along the Nile would be good itinerary topic, but no-one's started that yet. I thought this might be the first chunk of that, based on someone above talking about "put into the get in / get out sections of Cairo and Luxor". Looking at the actual article, I was wrong; this has much narrower scope. So forget about Along the Nile; maybe someone will do it later, but that's not our question here. Also forget about Nile cruise since that would be confusing — does it mean feluccas around Aswan or big boats Cairo-Luxor, or something else down in Sudan?
 * So then the question is what to do with the Felucca article. Is it really localised enough that we can just merge the text into Aswan's "get out" section and redirect the original? Or should we keep the article, possibly re-titled, and link to it from Aswan, Luxor, perhaps other places? I lean to the latter, but don't know the area well enough to be sure. (WT-en) Pashley 18:23, 3 January 2008 (EST)

 * I'm a little confused as to where the above conversation ended up, but it was good around the part when we were leaning towards keeping this Felucca itinerary and renaming it. The only reason I don't like "Nile cruises" is that it doesn't sound like an itinerary, and would possibly lead to lame copies like "Atlantic cruises". If it's only covering Feluccas on the nile, it would be nice if it had felucca in the name, or not if it's going to describe more than one way to do the journey – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 19:13, 3 January 2008 (EST)
 * I vote for a 'felucca' and 'nile' itinerary. --(WT-en) Wandering 16:28, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah, I vote to rename as "Felucca cruise on the Nile" (WT-en) Merrywanderer 15:31, 6 January 2008 (EST)

 * I moved to felucca cruise on the Nile (WT-en) Merrywanderer 00:27, 18 January 2008 (EST)

Outcome: Renamed to Felucca cruise on the Nile and made an itinerary. Original name left as a redirect --(WT-en) Nick 02:46, 18 January 2008 (EST)

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Talk:One day in Fenway Park

Please see Project:What is an article - articles about attractions such as ballparks are out of scope for Wikivoyage. Information in this article should be merged to the appropriate district article of Boston and this article should then be redirected appropriately. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:00, 8 March 2012 (EST)

Unmerging Fenway from Foot Itinerary from Boston Article: Genre Conventions
Ryan:

I have unmerged this article. Here I provide a description of the rational explaining why. I have developed these arguments based on stated information in the Wikivoyage that outlines how users are to contribute to intineraries, and I have supported these arguments with evidence. Rather than stating that this contribution is not within the scope of wikivoyage, and leaving it at that, I am going to make a case that this is is an appropriate contribution to Wikivoyage. Namely, I make this argument because this page clearly meets the following description of an itinerary:

An itinerary is an article that describes a path through several destinations or attractions, giving suggestions of where to stop, what to see, how to prepare, etc. If you think of our destination guides as dots on a map, an itinerary describes a line that connects those dots. Some itineraries may be on a formal, or relatively well-defined route, such as the Oodnadatta Track, the Appalachian Trail or Route 66. Others may be more informal — One month in Southeast Asia, Across Canada by train, or others. Itineraries are a meta-view of the destination guides. They're another way of seeing travel — not by where you go, but by how you get there.

This article is a meta-view of this destination, and it provides travelers with a way of experiencing a place that is more detailed and that outlines how one gets to a place in a specific way. The greatest counter-argument to this may be based on scope: i.e., such a focused view of place is not appropriate for wikivoyage. This is a reasonable argument logically, but functionally it, then, discounts a number of useful itineraries that could be envisioned simply based on a view of genre as a container instead of genre as a negotiated and evolving set of relations about what type of expectations readers bring to the table.

The larger question, then, becomes can we see specific attractions a places within themselves. Wikivoyage as a whole seems to argue for non-standard views of place, in fact, Wikivoyage states that places are not exclusively defined by legalistic, jurisdictional ways of framing location. That users may define place in different and unique ways. For example, while South County, Rhode Island is what locals call the Southern portion of the state, it is legally named Washington County. South County doesn't not legally exist. Some users have made these revisions for South County to Washington County and vice-versa. Really who cares? Should it matter? Who gets to decide which place name is right, correct? Such actions within this space, WIkitravel, demonstrate that writing here is a location where contested understandings of location play out. That is a reality.

But, are there useful itineraries that could be created about specific locations? That pay attention to the vast richness of single attractions? I think there are and can be such kinds of itineraries. Perhaps you disagree? And, that is ok, you are entitled to that view, but perhaps, this should be considered more thoughtfully before simply labeling this "beyond the scope of WIkitravel". The scope of Wikivoyage is defined by its users and it's contributors, it is a writing ecology, anad some authors will consider that ecology differently. I vote that this one stays.

Redirecting to Boston/Fenway-Kenmore
I just merged most of the info in this article to Boston/Fenway-Kenmore. Even as an itinerary, we don't need an entire article devoted to a single attraction. I propose redirecting over there. PerryPlanet (talk) 22:55, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Feodosiya

Content from Feodosija has been merged into here - remove the merge notice? (WT-en) WTDuck2 14:48, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Ferizaj

This is town real name per wikipedia all other relevant sources. --(WT-en) Blurey 18:15, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Ferries in the Mediterranean

Some ferries travel more seas, but theres no clear idea of how to list them on this page. Maybe starting points in the mentioned sea?

Possible follow-up: Ferries on the Black Sea? See.

Interesting for 2014 Sochi olympics. -- (WT-en) Eiland 06:27, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

See also User:DenisYurkin/List_of_Ferries

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Talk:Ferry routes to Great Britain

Adding this information the The British Isles page would be counter productive, people would simply zone out a list of (possibly unknown) ports and routes, I'll make a map for it and tidy it up a bit, stick some extra links in. Travel guides to countries often have a map with transport routes, and ferries are one of the main ways into and out of the UK

(WT-en) Prof Jack 18:55, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Any problems if I remove the merge notice? I'll change it in one week - the 18th of Jan

(WT-en) Prof Jack 08:16, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Map needs a massive update for the many withdrawn North Sea routes. *wink* *wink* (WT-en) Sertmann 12:33, 30 November 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Festivals and events in the Philippines

Format
For people who want to post festivals or events that I've missed out, this is the format;

Name of Festival/Event *Where: (Town), (City) or (City), (Province) *When: Month XX *What: Description of event

07:59, 22 January 2010 (WT-en) SnappyHip
 * This policy is ten years old, totally obsolete. Every item must be listified Ibaman (talk) 12:30, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * We do not generally listify items in topic articles. The details should be included in the city articles. Ground Zero (talk) 03:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)


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Talk:Festivals in Edmonton

Info
I don't really remember seeing this anywhere else. So what I am wondering is if we should put in the dates and all the addresses, phone numbers, e-mail addresses, etc. even though they change every year? (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 23:57, 30 November 2008 (EST).
 * I'm not sure if this article will stand up to the test of time, but while it exists at least, I'm sure we want as much of the contact/event information as possible. Usually they will have at least a website that doesn't change. (WT-en) Texugo 23:59, 30 November 2008 (EST)

 * Okay I will get onto that. why do you not think this would last?  (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee]  .T.A.L.K. 00:51, 1 December 2008 (EST).

 * I just wonder if these wouldn't be better split up into the appropriate districts. It doesn't so far look like this is going to be a very long article. (WT-en) Texugo 00:54, 1 December 2008 (EST)

 * Gimme some time I will get it longer. Probably another 30.  (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee]  .T.A.L.K. 00:58, 1 December 2008 (EST).

uh oh spaghetti o
Hmm I do not know what is wrong with this page. It seems new edits that I make never show up unless I refresh it. Sometimes, new listings I add end up in the wrong season even though i precisely put it in a different one then I have to go manually fix it. It is a pain in the butt and not to mention people who are viewing this page may not be well knowledged as us about W-T and may not know to refresh. It is very odd. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 16:23, 1 December 2008 (EST).

Listings of fests and eventsss
I am wondering-is there enough listings, or do I need to find more? I know I need to add info, but the number of listings, is it good enough? (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 16:34, 1 December 2008 (EST).
 * It's not about the number, it's about listing things that would be interesting to the average traveller. I would venture that there are a couple of iffy things in the list already, specifically the livestock auction and the student film fest. (WT-en) Texugo 19:38, 1 December 2008 (EST)

 * Understand. Well the Farm fair I have never been but it is okay from what Ive heard.  The student thing I need to research.  (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee]  .T.A.L.K. 19:39, 1 December 2008 (EST).

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Talk:Fethiye

although Muğla is located in Aegean Region, Fethiye is located within the borders of Mediterranean Region.

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Talk:Fez

Can't find address for Hotel Cascades, if anyone else knows it, could you pop it in? Thanks!

This page seems to contain an unwanted advertisement in poor English and with poor punctuation for the 'riad arabesque'.

PLEASE include some sort of contact info...

Can I put an advertisement for my travel booking agency? I posted a link but another user removed it, I see that many hotels have advertisements, what stays and what goes?

-Charles

I removed one of the "Made in M:" advertisements as it seems to clearly be a self promotion and was added to a section where it doesnt belong.

-Guy

Eat
Hi, I was editing the Eat section and now I've noticed that it has layed out in a single paragraph. My apologies for whatever I did, how can I fix it? Thanks MarinaK.

 * It was because you accidentally removed an tag from the L'Ambre listing—fixed. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:22, 28 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Ooh, thanks for fixing Peter! MarinaK

Hustlers on trains
I added a point about the dangers of being overly naive on train journeys into Fes. Personally (and entirely my fault), I came to wikivoyage and just looked at the travel advice. I was rather overconfident and didn't bother looking at the Stay Safe or Cope sections, particularly since I thought the train would be perfectly safe. Needless to say, I got 100% conned with a shop-based tour the following day. It was beautifully done, but a bit irritating. (WT-en) Kayman1uk 15:26, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

Status of Sahrij Madrasa
I believe the Sahrij Madrasa, despite being recently restored, is still closed to visitors, judging by the few available online reviews. It may have been repurposed as student housing for the Quaraouyine University, according to some of the news I read, but it's not entirely clear if this means it's indefinitely closed to tourists. If anyone has tried to visit it recently, could you confirm here if it's open and/or update its entry if it's closed? Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 00:54, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

 * A belated follow-up on this: I visited Fez last summer and this madrasa was indeed closed to tourists for the reasons I mentioned above. I'll remove it from the list of things to "see", because unfortunately there's nothing a regular visitor can see there now. R Prazeres (talk) 22:11, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Can the exterior be seen, and is that worthwhile? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Not really. Yes you can see the outside, but it's just a set of doors in what otherwise looks like a regular wall, with a bit of stucco decoration around it. I don't think it reasonably be recommended, and indeed it seems to have stopped being mentioned in many guidebooks. Likewise, there's another madrasa not listed here (the Saffarin Madrasa) which is of great historical interest but sadly not open to regular visitors. R Prazeres (talk) 01:55, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Is that madrasa interesting to see from outside? Another point would be whether either madrasa offers short-term courses for visitors. If so, it can be listed in an optional "Learn" section. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I believe the madrasa is being used as an annex of the Qarawiyyin University (don't take my exact word for it, but something like that). So I'm guessing it doesn't offer courses to others, and I haven't heard of that in my previous attempts to find out more.
 * If you're curious: here's my rough photo of the external doorway in 2023 (and a comparison with its pre-restoration state in 2014, if you're even more curious). The street is narrow so it was hard to get a wider angle, but effectively this is all there is to see. If you didn't already know the madrasa was there, you would probably just take it for one of the many other ornate doorways in the medina. R Prazeres (talk) 01:18, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That's quite pretty. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:06, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Fiesole

I removed the following link because it doesn't appear to comply with our external link policy. It does have lots of good info for mining, so if someone wants to take up the challenge of populating this page, it's a great place to start... (WT-en) Shaund 01:59, 20 November 2008 (EST)

 * Check www.fiesole.com for tips on what to see and do in Fiesole.

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Talk:Figueres

absinthe
''> Try ... an absinthe cocktail (the fabled liquor was never outlawed here)''

Does this piece applies to the whole Spain, not only to a single town of Figueres? No objections on moving it to Spain article? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 15:38, 11 November 2007 (EST)

 * No objections on my part. I have no idea what that was doing in there to start with, but left it as I couldn't really argue for or against it and to be honest I've never really seen it in any more abundance in Catalonia than in the rest of Spain, so it could either just be removed or moved to general Spain --(WT-en) Primecoordinator 16:00, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

 * It's not in Figueres article any more, however I added that piece to Spain, feel free to stick it to better place there. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 08:47, 28 March 2010 (EDT)

Map
As per discussion at star nominations, I have put together a bare bones Wikivoyage map for Figueres. Sadly, the base material is not great, and I cannot add any more road detail than this without copying directly from non-free sources. I do realise that the map coverage may need to shift northwest a little. This is very much a first draft, mostly designed to get comments from User:(WT-en) Primecoordinator (or anyone else with knowledge of the town). Please place all comments here. I will need full instructions on where to place each and every listing. The more detail the better. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:39, 20 March 2010 (EDT)
 * It's a good looking first draft. I'm in Mali at the moment, getting ready to trek in Dogon, so I'll need about a week before I can get back to it and give it proper attention for accuracy. Whatever the case, it looks better than most of the maps the Lonely Planet churns out these days... (WT-en) Primecoordinator 16:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Best of luck in Dogon and I look forward to lots of new information in our Dogon Country article.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:09, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

Okay, so first off, the map should be more focused on the downtown area. Carrer Pujades is really not important to tourists, so it doesn't need to be on the map. Zooming in more would also help better define the Rambla street which is actually two streets and neither of them meet with Carrer Empordá. A arrow pointing in the direction of the Castle would also be good as it's just straight up from the Dalí Museum. Well, anyways, that's the first batch of comments. Hopefully it makes sense.

Figueres Star Nomination
I'm putting this forth as I've put a good deal of effort to get it in line with all the required elements to be a Star article. Just now I've cleaned up the Get Out section to link to only live pages (which meant creating a good number of them) and have added a map. With this, I feel that it is ready for Star status. (WT-en) Primecoordinator 17:49, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Not yet. I haven't read through the article carefully, but a few problems jump out immediately. First and foremost, the article needs to have a Wikivoyage-style map (Project:How to draw a map/Project:How to create a map), with all listings marked. If you are up to the task of finishing up the rest of the necessary tasks for star status, my hunch is that a mapmaker will be happy to volunteer.

 * Other issues that stand out while skimming: 1) contact details missing for many listings; 2) more description is needed for most listings outside the see section; 3) I think it would be desirable to add more eat and drink listings; 4) eat listings should be sorted by price.

 * I hope this is helpful, rather than discouraging, as it would be wonderful to have our first Spanish star article! At present, though, it seems to be "merely" a fine guide-status article. Surprisingly, we don't really have any star articles to look at that are a comparable size to Figueres, but Hilversum (pop. 80,000) might be a good example to look to, although it clearly is longer than the Figueres article should be. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:05, 10 March 2010 (EST)

 * Actually yes, it is discouraging as the standards for Star articles aren't evenly applied at all, no matter how spelled out it is. And how the hell do you rate something as a 'Not yet' before you've even finished it?!!  I find that to be more an attempt to "be first" in reviewing as opposed to actually writing a proper review.  As for the map, if I had known there were more specific standards on them, then I wouldn't have wasted my time, thanks...  Many aspects of Wikivoyage have been generally quite hard to find, so it's no wonder that certain areas are lacking content.  Also, there are some Star articles that don't have maps.  In regards to breaking down the listings for food and drink, that's rather insane beyond the hotels.  This is a town of 40,000 people, not a metropolis like Barcelona with 2 million.  Drinks are the same cost everywhere and food varies maybe 10€ between a "hi end" and "low end" restaurant.  At this point, if someone else wants to take up the mantle and finish this out, such as the map, that would be great.  Otherwise, I've spent more than enough time on it and you can continue to have Spain without any Star articles as Barcelona and Madrid seem to be stuck amidst infighting which it seems this community breeds more of than any sense of cohesion towards a better product. (WT-en) Primecoordinator 19:13, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

 * I'm terribly sorry to have come across as discouraging, I really am just trying to give constructive criticism to help build a better product ;) (I couldn't care less about "being first"—I'm usually last.) I say not yet, because without having done a thorough read through, there are a couple obstacles that clearly stand in the way of star status (notably the map). The guidelines/criteria for star status are at Project:City guide status.

 * By the way, drink listings do not need price ranges, as you may see from reading other star articles. Also, which star articles do not have maps? They should be demoted if this is true. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:27, 10 March 2010 (EST)

 * Hey Primecoordinator, please do not be discouraged by this. It is a strong guide, but the demands for star status are rightly very high. Once you have an eye for star articles, it is quite easy to have a preliminary read, and to notice things that are missing. That is exactly what Peter did in a constructive way. It is very possible for small, little known destinations to reach star status: see Sheki (pop 65,000) and Nusa Lembongan (pop 8,000), as well as Hilversum, already mentioned. If a map is the biggest issue (I suspect it is), then I can help out by drawing it. What I obviously can't do though is place all the icons etc, so I would need your guidance on that. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 21:55, 10 March 2010 (EST)

 * Yeah, I can help with that when you pull it together. I've never used this mapping system and would need some guidance for for. (WT-en) Primecoordinator 09:25, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Support - Have uploaded a more proper map. Can provide the illustrator file if anyone feels like truing anything up.  (WT-en) Primecoordinator 21:18, 04 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Also flesh out a proper History section (WT-en) Primecoordinator 21:20, 04 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Hmm. What is the base source you used for tracing that map please? There are no free sources I could find with that level of detail, and you have not indicated the source on the map mark up. Also, if you were doing this, it would have been nice tell me and I would not have wasted time. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 21:46, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
 * I posted a reply on the Talk page over a week ago and assumed that as you hadn't responded you had given up on me. Also, I was hoping to start with what you had created, but you only uploaded the png and not any svg file to work with that I could see.  As to the source, it's based on my knowledge of having lived there, an aerial photo my wife took as a teenager (it's her home town), and cross reference with the city tourism guide.  Some of this may appear off with the Google Map, which for some reason is incorrect in number of items. And yeah, the Open Street Map is practically non-existent. --(WT-en) Primecoordinator 11:51, 05 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The SVG is now uploaded (this would not normally be done until the map is finished). Just go ahead and use if it is helpful.

After a far from thorough read, I will try to post an audit list of what I think needs to happen to this article to get it to star standard.
 * Needs an opening paragraph that makes you want to go there.
 * Talk section needs wikilinks to Catalan and Spanish phrasebooks.
 * Get in section needs cities to be wikilinked, and the wikilink to Ryanair should be removed (there is no such article).
 * See section. All formal attractions need opening hours and admission prices. If no admission it should say so.
 * Do section. Is there no theatre or cinema in the town? Or anything else to do?
 * Buy section. Shops need opening hours and phone numbers.
 * Eat section. Restaurants need opening hours, phone numbers and prices.
 * Drink Section. Bars and Wineries need phone numbers and hours.
 * Sleep section. A sleeppricerange table would be good. All hotels need prices.
 * Stay safe section. Add the police station contact details and address.
 * Cope - no section at the moment. Hospital details would be good, plus libraries?
 * Contact - no section at the moment. Internet cafes? Post office? The area dialing code.

That's a start at least on specifics. Other small things, I have just gone ahead and changed. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:33, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
 * Thanks for the map. As to some items that you bring up:
 * Opening paragraph rewritten.
 * Talk linked out.
 * For Get in, not really sure what you're getting at. Is it standard style to re-link cities in Get In?  And as for Ryanair, that should just link out to their main site, no?
 * A lot of the phone numbers just aren't going to happen. I'm not there currently and so it's impossible to look these things up as many of the places have no websites.  I've added the ones that were easy to find.  And answering the phone in general is a hit and miss thing.  Most people just show up.  I'll add the Cope and Contact sections when I get a chance as they're easy.
 * But, here's a large question for the community, in that why bother putting the exact prices for hotels? They change often, vary by season and nearly impossible to keep up to date.  Shouldn't we do like most guides do and just keep them in general price ranges?  I mean, people have to call or visit their website to make a reservation anyways so as long as they know that they're calling something in the Splurge range, that should be all, no?  I ask this as when searching for hotels, even on their own websites the prices are never up to date, so I just ignore them.  Seems like a useless, tedious thing to keep up on.  --(WT-en) Primecoordinator 11:27, 06 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I suggest you do what you can with phone numbers. Some of the missing ones are easy - I just managed to find two with a Google search, eg TOT ART and Pastisseria Serra Lacasa. I appreciate that some may be harder. If they exist though a very large effort ought to be made to find them. An email to the local town council might be a good start.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 08:15, 6 April 2010 (EDT)

Result: Slushed. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 16:48, 9 November 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Fiji

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Fiji/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.

Why is this page continually hit by spammers? I wonder what the connection between talking about the Fiji article and hawking dodgy impotence drugs is...? (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:20, 16 Dec 2005 (EST)

This is spam, revert it immediately
Let's see how stupid this bot is, shall we?

Info for contributors

 * Rob Kay's Fiji Guide

I removed the above External link because it is a travel guide and a secondary source. It appears to be a very useful source of information. -- (WT-en) Huttite 00:27, 9 Jan 2006 (EST)

Seriously, not cool...
Whoever is adding all this negative unbalanced information about Fiji, I am quite frankly disgusted. Not to say that I think you should go to hell or anything, no not really, I just think that you must have got carried away, been bored, or let out some stress on my country. Hope you don't mind me asking; have you even been to Fiji?? This article unfairly makes Fiji look like a very horrible country. If I were you and read this I'd think "Yeah, but he's just biased because he lives there", and there's some truth to that, but good information is balanced and factual information - this article contains little of either. I suggest that if not removed or completely rewritten, this article is edited. I'd do it all myself, and probably will help, but I'm not in the habit of walking behind people and picking up their rubbish. I prefer picking the rubbish up and throwing it at them or something. In it's current state this article makes the whole of Wikivoyage look very rogue, uncontrolled, unreliable, and unresponsible, which I am sure it isn't really meant to be. Without further rambling on, PLEASE don't leave the article as it is or make it worse. Kind Regards Linus K

 * The article doesn't look at all bad to me (although I've cut down the rambling warning box). But if you've got some specific issues, then please plunge forward. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:40, 20 December 2006 (EST)

 * Do-it-yourself guide. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 00:24, 21 December 2006 (EST)

Pictures
why is it damn near impossible to find a high resolution picture of fiji? They are all postage size pictures. Surely since the advent of digital cameras someone has gone to fiji and taken a picture of the landscape 152.78.70.31 15:53, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Verry good question. will be verry nice, and usefull to have a hight resolution map of fiji     89.33.181.90

help
Why can't I edit this page? -Vulcandor

 * this page has been semiprotected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit the page. Please see Protected page policy for further information. Gizza ( roam ) 23:59, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Page banner
I think the current banner is a little drab. How about this one instead? —Granger (talk · contribs) 03:06, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I support the alternative. Can the current one be used somewhere else if we change to the new page banner? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 03:16, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. I can't find any obvious places to use the old banner, but there might be something I missed. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:38, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks for changing the banner! --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 04:02, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

12-hour or 24-hour clock?
Which is more commonly used? Ground Zero (talk) 18:16, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

 * From memory it was 12-hour. Looking at a sample of listings (their websites) in Fiji articles seems to confirm this. Gizza ( roam ) 21:10, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * many thanks. Ground Zero (talk) 21:38, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Tagalog phrasebook

Untitled
What precisely makes this a stub or unfinished? The fact that nobody removed that tag, or something else?

 * Take a look towards the end; not all phrases are yet translated. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:39, 15 Dec 2005 (EST)

Is there a policy for how formal or informal a translation can be? A lot of the phrases here would sound ridiculous (and conspicuously foreign) if the direct translation to Filipino would be used. A waiter would, at best, look at you oddly if you ordered tsaang may yelo (iced tea) or, at worst, have you committed to a mental institute if you ordered katas ng kahel (orange juice). (WT-en) Rubybox 21:57, 6 March 2007 (EST)
 * Our policy is that the traveller comes first, so the first goal is that the phrasebook should be useful to real travellers in the real world. Plunge forward and change it to what you think is right.  -- (WT-en) Colin 22:49, 6 March 2007 (EST)

i strongly disagree with what the idea of what one billion is in the UK, when a british person would see that number they wouldn't say a thousand million, they would say a billion144.138.190.117 05:20, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

Formal and informal translations
I'm inclined to believe that the phrasebook needs to be cleaned up. Inasmuch as I believe that this is designed to help the traveler get by while he/she is in the Philippines, I think it would also make sense if we can use this to teach some Filipino to people, as well as to clear up any misconceptions about Filipino having no words for certain concepts (which is true to an extent, though not to the extent that people say it is). Therefore, I would suggest that in certain circumstances, we provide two translations: one formal (avoiding Taglish) and one informal (Taglish). I'll draw up a proposal in due time. :) --Sky Harbor (talk ) 09:35, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Odd infobox
There is an infobox in the first section of Talk:Central Visayas which I removed from that article & preserved on the talk page, It discusses the origins & politics of Filipino. Does it contain anything worth adding to this article? Pashley (talk) 13:38, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia and other language links
This page in WIkidata is connected to Tagalog language rather than Filipino language, as is the Hebrew and Japanese Wikivoyage pages. However the Chinese Wikivoyage page is connected to the Filipino page. Is this all correct? --Traveler100 (talk) 07:29, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

 * The article says "In reality nobody actually uses official Filipino, but rather plain Tagalog instead." If that is true, according to ttcf, the phrasebook should be about Tagalog. Whether it is, and which other ones are, I cannot say. --LPfi (talk) 15:18, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

 * This hasn't been resolved. Should this be Tagalog phrasebook, instead? Why or why not? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:40, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

 * This really should be resolved. Why isn't this Tagalog phrasebook? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:02, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

 * I'd say the article should be moved to Tagalog phrasebook], of course with a redirect. The lede should also be rewritten.
 * User:TagaSanPedroAko is currently one of our most active editors for Philippines articles & is a Tagalog native speaker. I'd like his or her opinion on this. Pashley (talk) 13:29, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

 * Though I'm too late to respond, I agree moving this to Tagalog phrasebook, as how our present introduction says already. Filipino is yes, a Tagalog-based national language that should have developed in the same vein as Indonesian developed from Malay, but since the plan stalled due to the purism issue, we can still practically say Filipino and Tagalog are just the same thing, even where there is the political issue that can arise.--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 07:34, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

 * I have moved it. Pashley (talk) 10:53, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Slang
Colloquial Tagalog (Filipino) has the tendency to use slang forms, if not using Taglish, and it looks better if we can add infoboxes regarding formation of common slang, such as metathesis, or sound changes (common in slang originally from the LGBT community). Any questions or opinions?--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 05:36, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

False friends
If we're treating this as the Tagalog phrasebook, should we warn speakers of Malay/Indonesian about false friends? I know of at least three:

Malay/Indonesian: selamat = safe; Tagalog: salamat = thank you

burung/burong = bird; burong = caviar (or roe, perhaps? I'm basing this on burong talangka)

ulam = a salad with sambal belacan; ulam = any main dish

I'll bet there are others. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:07, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Banner proposal
I got some pics of Filipino-language signs that may work better than our current banner that shows the Rizal monument. I uploaded sign photos that I got on my last trip back home, and extracted these suggested banners as shown below.

Comments? Opinions? --TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 03:15, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

 * Bumping this up., any thoughts?--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 03:50, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

 * Either would be more topical, and without knowing the language, I like the second one marginally better. But isn't the main issue whether to change this to Tagalog phrasebook? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:39, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

 * The two really looks fine, but we may need further consensus which to use and replace our current banner. And to answer your question, I agree on a move to Tagalog from Filipino, no matter how the name is politically tinged, but since that issue is a off-topic matter (it's already on the thread above this), I'll be responding to it later. --TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 07:24, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I prefer the second, and agree that either is better than than the current. Thanks to TagaSanPedroAko for this. Ground Zero (talk) 11:38, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * While I like the current banner in itself, given the context I prefer #2 over both #1 and the current banner. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 11:43, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

 * I mildly prefer the second one. Can we make the text that shows up when you mouse over the banner a translation or explanation of the Filipino text?
 * Could we get a common & useful sign like "load na dito"? Or something amusing? Pashley (talk) 16:41, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

 * I think so, but unfortunately we don't have any or much of those, unless we can make a photo request on Commons. Yes, a sign like "load na dito" or anything more useful or amusing can be better, but it's kind of hard to find one on Commons. We don't have much images for commons:Category:Tagalog language signs as of this time. -TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 21:50, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

 * I see enough consensus for proposal #2, so I'll be going for it. Moving the old banner for historical reference.-TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 21:14, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Finding accommodation

Deleted "Internet" section
I deleted the "Internet" section, because it turned into a list of websites and encouraged spammers to place their links there. (WT-en) Sapphire 07:19, 21 April 2006 (EDT)

Welcome to the Wikivoyage Spam Magnet and Link Farm
Oh, look! Someone's added a new link to an internet booking service. That sure is nice, because we only have a few dozen of those so far. Sapphire tried deleting this stuff and was spanked, with the explanation that allowing this was agreed to "long ago". Well it's no longer "long ago", and we now have a policy eliminating "External links" sections... so how about we apply that to this this page, which seems to be acting as one page-long "External links" section? - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 09:10, 13 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Agreed. Yeesh.  I'd even support a vfd.  -- (WT-en) Jonboy 08:17, 2 August 2006 (EDT)
 * And about two minutes after you wrote that yet another spammer comes in. Kill kill kill. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:09, 2 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Yep, its a pointless page, because anyone who wants these pages could easily find them through any search engine. delete the internet bit section, or vfd the whole lot? (WT-en) Tim 09:13, 2 August 2006 (EDT)
 * I plunged forward and killed the extlinks. Let he who disagrees revert it and talk to us here. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:41, 2 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Does this mean I was pardoned? I sure do hope so.  Who provides pardons around? -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 18:45, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

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