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Talk:Utah

United States National Parks
Hey, so I dont think all the national parks on that list are going to have their own page. See Project:What is an article for some background on this, but I'd suggest starting with listing these as attractions until/less they grow into self-contained destinations... just a suggestion tho. (WT-en) Majnoona

 * Actually, almost all of them do pass the you-can-sleep-there test, as long as you don't mind sleeping in a campground or in the backcountry. The number of national parks in Utah is just incredible (and the list on the page as of this date isn't even complete!), and there are enough differences, and enough geographical separations, among them to justify a good number of subsidiary articles.  A recommended solution is to subdivide the "Other destinations" section, to at least keep the bullet lists of manageable size. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:41, 26 February 2006 (EST)

Regions
One way of dealing with that long list is to set up some regions. (The state certainly needs them.) I've taken a crack at this; would someone from Utah please examine and edit? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:52, 26 February 2006 (EST)

I don't understand the recent edit to remove Eastern Utah and Western Utah as regions and put in Central Utah instead. As I understand the Wasatch Front region, it already describes the central part of the state, and several of the communities attributed to Central Utah fit quite well there. I can see downplaying the western part -- talk about sheer, unadulterated emptiness -- but with Eastern Utah removed, now there's nowhere sensible to put places like Vernal, Roosevelt, the Uintah reservation, etc. Explain, please. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 22:54, 17 March 2006 (EST)

 * Utah could stand to have clearer regions, especially as it is the coolest travel destination in the US (IMHO). As it stands, I really don't know where to put information (and I have a lot to contribute). Could we try sorting out which counties belong to which regions? Here's a map to help out. I'll take a stab at this, but I only really know the southern third of the state. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:50, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Wasatch Front

 * Wasatch
 * Salt Lake
 * Utah

Central Utah
I have no clue what belongs here and my hunch is Bill was right—this overlaps with Wasatch Front. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:50, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Northern Utah
No clue here either. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:50, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Western Utah
Shouldn't we bring this back? Yes it is barren, but what else do we do with it? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:50, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Box Elder
 * Tooele
 * Juab
 * Millard
 * Beaver

Eastern Utah
Maybe this needs a different name, but this part of Utah needs to be covered! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:50, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Uintah
 * Dagget
 * Duchesne
 * Summit
 * Carbon

Canyon Country

 * Kane
 * Garfield
 * San Juan
 * Wayne
 * Emery?
 * Grand

Dixie

 * Washington
 * Iron

 * I think you're definitely on the right track Peter, although I would make a couple of changes. Here's my idea: The Wasatch Front is good, although it should also include Summit County (at least the western half, because that's where Park City is) and then go up to Northern Utah (since the actual mountain range does go up to about Idaho), so it should also include Morgan, Cache, Weber, and Rich counties as well. So there's no real need for a Northern Utah section.
 * Western Utah sounds good, only for Juab, Millard, and Beaver counties, just include the western half (explanation below).
 * I like the idea of Central Utah article, actually. Only it would be for the area along I-15 and US-89 south of the Wasatch Front region, so like Sanpete, Sevier, Piute, and then the eastern half of Beaver, Millard, and Juab counties. I think this region is unique enough that we don't need to split it among the other areas of the state.
 * Eastern Utah sounds good (should we call it "Northeastern Utah"?), only just include the eastern half of Summit county and also put Emery county in there, not in Canyon Country. And Canyon Country and Dixie look fine as they stand, just with Emery over in Eastern Utah. (WT-en) PerryPlanet 15:34, 6 September 2007 (EDT)

 * Great! I had a feeling you knew your stuff here ;) I'll get a new regions map up pronto. The only thing that could potentially hold things up is coming up with a specific dividing lines through split counties. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:14, 6 September 2007 (EDT)

 * Back to that question of where to draw dividing lines, would the longitude lines that bisect Summit County and Juab, Millard, & Beaver counties work? I think they come pretty close to cutting these counties in "half" and they are nice defined boundaries. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:35, 6 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Sounds great! Yeah, the longitude lines should work really well. :) (WT-en) PerryPlanet 18:58, 6 September 2007 (EDT)

Alcohol

 * I don't think it's fair to state that Utah's alcohol laws are "archaic", or in some way behind the times. Nothing else in the article suggests this (i.e., stating that a membership is basically the same as a cover charge). A look at the article on Blue Law from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law#Utah) shows that there are several states that don't sell liquor on Sunday, which is really the only thing that could be considered archaic. It's fair to say that the laws are very strict in Utah, which is true, and though the laws may seem archaic compared to certain states or other countries, there is in fact very little in Utah's laws that can't be found in other states as well. (WT-en) Sloshmo 13:34, 15 August 2008 (MDT)

 * I'm very much in agreement. I'd say "very strict," just because liquor sales are very restricted, and it can be hard (if not simply impossible) to find a drink in most small towns I visited. Not that that matters much, I just brought some along in the car, and occasionally enjoyed a drink off in the desert. I'd encourage you to plunge forward and make the necessary fixes ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:49, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Warnings for Gay and Lesbian Travelers
I've removed any warnings for gay and lesbian travelers from the article because I feel people are being unnecessarily biased towards Utah - there are numerous states in this country where gay and lesbian travelers may feel uncomfortable. I know the heads of the Mormon church put money towards Prop 8, but that doesn't mean all Mormons supported Prop 8 and it certainly doesn't mean that Utah is a particularly unfriendly place toward gays and lesbians. Unless someone can offer proof of actual hate crimes occurring toward gay and lesbian travelers in Utah, I'm removing any more of these warnings. (WT-en) PerryPlanet Talk 13:34, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

 * I agree. There have been a spate of these sorts of edits over the past several months by editors looking to bring their politics here, rather than help by contributing travel content. It's hard for me to understand how someone would accuse an entire state of hatred and discrimination, and then urge a boycott, without recognizing the hypocrisy there...

 * In any rate, my experience is that Utah differs little from other parts of the country in attitudes towards homosexuality—anything outside of the mainstream is less acceptable in smaller cities & rural areas, whereas big cities will provide welcoming environments (and there's only one big city in Utah). The only real difference between Utah and other states is probably that Utahans are just generally warmer and nicer people across the board than you'd find elsewhere, so these "warnings" strike me as very ignorant, and not a little bigoted. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:55, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

Alternative banner for this article?
I created a new alternative banner for this article (I initially created it first and foremost so that it would be used at the top of the parallel article in the Hebrew edition of Wikivoyage, yet I later decided to also suggest that the English Wikivoyage community would consider using it here as well). So, which banner do you prefer having at the top of this article? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 08:28, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Very difficult choice, but both banners should be used on this site, so my suggestion is to find an appropriate article for one of them and use the other one here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:46, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Isn't the alternative Dead Horse Point? That one may be the same banner. Anyway, I prefer the current. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 14:40, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * As I think SelfieCity is alluding to, the alternative banner is already used in Dead Horse Point State Park. —Granger (talk · contribs) 15:06, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * In that case, we could maybe find an alternative photo for the Dead Horse Point State Park article OR use it in both. In my opinion this photo is too marvelous not to be used in the main Utah article. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 15:45, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I like the current banner better, and if the alternate banner is already used elsewhere, I'd say that settles the matter for me. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:38, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does settle the matter. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:05, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't check, so my statement was a long shot. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 20:07, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Prefer current, I'm just not personally a fan of that big fish eye distortion. A lot of folks like this style tho, so w/e you want. --ButteBag (talk) 23:25, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

26 other destinations
There's currently 26 other destinations, and this isn't a non-bottom level article. I propose to cut down the list to these ones:
 * – largest concentration of natural arches in the world, just northeast of Moab, as well as other strange sandstone formations, such as pinnacles, cliffs, mesas, and gorges
 * – heavily-forested mountainous area with large natural amphitheater and other strange sandstone formations
 * – large, spectacular wilderness of sandstone cliffs, narrow gorges, canyons, plateaus, bluffs, and other strange and beautiful formations west of Moab
 * – remote park along the Waterpocket Fold, a 100-mile monocline of domes, monoliths and narrow canyons
 * – large natural amphitheater northeast of Cedar City in forested, mountainous area
 * – spectacular gorge southwest of Moab where the Colorado River winds through a major bedrock of sandstone
 * – A Navajo Nation Tribal Park boasting the Southwest's most famous desert scenery
 * – popular area of sandstone cliffs, gorges, gullies, bluffs, plateaus, mesas, and other strange and colorful formations
 * – popular area of sandstone cliffs, gorges, gullies, bluffs, plateaus, mesas, and other strange and colorful formations

That leaves us with one more to choose from, which I can't seem to pick because there's just too much to see in Utah. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:17, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Canyonlands is a no-brainer for this list, as it's more famous than three on this list (Cedar Breaks, Dead Horse, and Dinosaur), and as a national park receives a high number of visitors. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 02:51, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * After that, I'd look at Glen Canyon and Four Corners as two that could replace Cedar Breaks and Dead Horse or Dinosaur? --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 02:52, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Oops. How did I forget Canyonlands? That was one of my highlights in Utah. I deliberately excluded Four Corners though, as it's not really unique to Utah. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:54, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I've replaced Dinosaur NM with Glen Canyon NRA (although I've yet to go to either). So what should Cedar Breaks replace? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:29, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I replaced it since there has been no objections for two months. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:35, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

New Wikivoyage Expedition
I have created a new wikivoyage expedition: Utah Expedition

any help & participation will be welcome. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 18:12, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Uthai Thani

TAT Listings
I moved a bunch of TAT listings to Talk:Uthai Thani/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 14:26, 5 February 2010 (EST)

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Amphoe Mueang Uthai Thani
Wat Sankat Rattana Khiri (วัดสังกัสรัตนคีรี) is at the foot of Khao Sakae Krang at the end of Tha Chang Road in the municipality. Inside the main hall is “Phra Phuttha Mongkhon Sai Sit” or “Luang Pho Mongkhon”, an ancient bronze Buddha image form the Sukhothai period in theMan Wichai posture. It is 1.5 metres wide and was made in the reign of King Lithai. In the open area of the temple is a stairway ascending to the top of Khao Sakae Krang totaling 449 steps. At the peak is a pavilion with a multi-tiered roof housing a replica of Lord Buddha’s footprint and a large bronze bell built in the reign of King Rama V. It is said that this is a sacred bell that visitors to the province who does not ring the bell is like on who never gets to see the province. In addition, in one corner of the temple is a pavilion housing a statue of the father of King Rama I, the founder of the Chakri dynastry, who was born in Ban Sakae Krang. To get there: From the city, take Road No. 3220 and turn left into the provincial staduum leading up the mountain. The distance is around 4 kilometres. Wat Ubosatharam (วัดอุโบสถาราม) was originally called “Wat Bot Manorom” and is located in the municipality on the bank of Sakae Krang River opposite Uthai Thani Fresh Market. It is surmised that it was built in the early Rattanakosin period. Many historical sites and artifacts are found inside, such as wall murals in the convocation hall from the early Rattanakosin period that depict the life of Lord Buddha from birth till death. They are of exquisite craftsmanship. The murals inside the main hall are also from the same period and depict Lord Buddha showing mercy upon angels in heaven and others scenes. Moreover, there are 3 pagodas, each from different periods and of different styles. Also of interest are the main hall, the convocation hall, the prayer building, the octagonal multi-tiered rood, the Bot Nam raft, the replica of Lord Buddha’s footprint from the time of King Rama IV, a silver Buddha image weighing 30 kilograms, and gifts from King Rama V to Luang Pho Chan Wat Bot when the king visited Uthai Thani on 10 August 1906, like a monk’s bowl with a pearl-inlaid lid, a stone monk’s bowl, a glazed bowl, a sack used when the king visited Europe, a wide-month urn, a vase, etc. Bot Nam (โบสถ์น้ำ) is in front of Wat Ubosatharam on the bank of Sakae Krang River. It was built to receive King Rama V when he visited northern provinces in 1906. Originally a twin raft, it has an elongated carved apex of the gable like normal temple main halls. It also had a front part with a circular sign in Pali stating that the king visited here in good faith. In 1976, the raft was renovated and made into a single raft of floors so it is suitable for monks to use. There is an area for worshippers to sit under a four-sided roof. The sign has been moved to the middle of front part of the roof. Today the raft is used by raft residents for religious ceremonies such as weddings, ordinations, funeral, and merit-making activities. Rafts on Sakae Krang River (เรือนแพลำน้ำสะแกกรัง) reflect the lifestyle of Uthai Thani people that has always been linked with water. Water is used here to grow pandanus and for raising fish in floating baskets, particularly gourami, that has become a main occupation of the province and which has made it famous. Tourists can take a boat to view the life of people living on rafts on Sakae Krang River by boarding at Lan Sakae Pier near Municipal 2 Fresh Market in Amphoe Mueang or boarding at Lan Suphannika in front of the provincial hall on Si Uthai Road. The route passes Wat Tha Sung and ends at Tambon Tha Sung where Sakae Krang River and Chao Phraya River meets. Ther are tour boats serving visitors. For more information, please contact Pan House Travel at Tel: 0 2933 0577 and 0 2538 0335. Wat Chantharam or Wat Tha Sung (วัดจันทารามหรือวัดท่าซุง) is at Mu 2, Tambon Nam Sum. It is an old temple from the Ayutthaya period. It was formerly called “Wat Chan” which is the name of an abbot. Wat Chantharam later was abandoned until 1789 when the monk Luang Pho Yai came here. Villagers asked him to become the abbot of the temple and he renovated it. The first location of the temple was on the bank of Sakae Krang River. The artifact of the place is a pulpit built by Luang Pho Yai that is opposite the temple. More buildings were later added by the monk Phra Ratchaphrom Yan Nen (Luang Pho Rusi Ling Dam). The new convocatin hall is beautiful with an ornately decorated interior. The inner windows and doors have pictures of angels. His Majesty the King presided over a ceremony to officially open the building. Surronding the building is a traditional columned wall. Images of Luang Pho Pan and Luang Pho Yai 3 times the actual size is at the corner of the front wall. Furthermore, the new site has a wide area as well as many pavilions with accommodation for meditation. The main hall is open during 09.00-11.45 hrs. and 14.00-16.00 hrs. daily. To get there: From the city, take Road No. 3265 to the ferry at Amphoe Manorom, about 6 kilometres away. Wat Than Sung is on both sides. Local History and Cultural Museum (ศูนย์วิทยาศาสตร์เทคโนโลยีและสิ่งแวดล้อม) is at the Uthai Thani Provincial Non-formal Education Centre on Si Uthai Road near the city hall. On display are prehistoric human skeletons, clothes, regalia of city lords, and a room of Thai house and wood models. Advance reservation is necessary. For more information, please call 0 5651 1511. Wat Thammakhosok (วัดธรรมโฆษก) or called “Wat Rong Kho” by villagers was built in the early Rattanakosin period. It is on Si Uthai Road, Tambon Uthai Mai in the municipality. It was used to hold rites by Uthai Thani government officials to pledge allegiance to the king as well as an execution site. The most interesting places in the temple are the chapel and the main Buddha image hall. The chapel is of the Rattanakosin period. A tiled roof covers the building. The Buddha image here is highly sacred. There are beautiful murals inside, the works of late Ayutthaya artists. The main hall is a larger building that is higher than the chapel. A pedestal inside has around 20 Buddha images on it. The outer windowpanes have plaster drawings of the epic Ramayana as frames. The doors have wooden floral patterns painted in bright red.

Amphoe Thap Than
Wat Thap Than (วัดทัพทัน) was built in the Rattanakosin period around 1897. The locals have shortened the full name to Wat Thap Than. It is said that this area was where Thai troops caught up with invading forces in the late Ayutthaya period. The monastery has a shady compound and a small chapel and main hall in the traditional style. The item of interest here is the lovely carved door depicting an angel holding an arrow standing on a serpent and another of an angel tending deer holding a pike on a lion. The convocation hall has a main bronze Buddha image in the Man Wichai posture 1.68 metres wide. The main hall houses a replica of Lord Buddha’s footprint in bronze. To get there: Take Highway No. 3221 (Amphoe Mueang-Amphoe Thap Than) for 19 kilometres. The temple is located on the left about 1 kilometre before the Thap Than district office. Ban Khok Mo Weaving Village (แหล่งทอผ้าพื้นเมืองบ้านโคกหม้อ) is a small village of Thai-Lao residents whose ancestors migrated here in the Rattanakosin period. Villagers take up weaving when the harvest ends. The fabrics produced in the village are unique. They are made from Sin Tin Chok Silk, Mat Mi silk and traditional-style fabrics with floral patterns. Getting There: From Amphoe Thap Than, take Highway No. 3013 to Amphoe Sawang Arom for approximately 11 kilometres. A 4-kilometre road leads to Ban Khok Mo. The weaving group is next to Wat Khok Mo.

Amphoe Sawang Arom
Bung Khok Chang Ancient City (เมืองโบราณบึงคอกช้าง) was a town surrounded by moat and an earth wall. A sacred pond is at the outer corner of each wall. Artifacts unearthed here include tools, utensils and a stone scripture in Mon. Evidence points to the items being from the Dvaravati period. Objects found are such as pot fragments, black and brown jars, blades, iron spears, and colored beads made into ornaments. To get there: From the city, take Highway No. 3221 past Amphoe Thap Than onto Highway No. 3013 past Amphoe Sawang Arom, and then take Highway No. 3456 to Amphoe Lan Sak. The distance from Amphoe Sawang Arom is about 14 kilometres. A pagoda can be seen on the left with a Bung Khok Chang sign.

Amphoe Lan Sak
Prehistoric colour drawings at Khao Pla Ra (ภาพเขียนสีก่อนประวัติศาสตร์เขาปลาร้า) is at Khao Pla Ra which is a mountain range with verdant jungles, no communities and natural water sources. It is also the home of numerous wild animals. It has truly lovely nature in the area around the cave and cliff in the southwestern part of the mountain at around 320 metres above sea level. Colour cave drawings stretch for around 9 metres. These prehistoric drawings are of humans and animals in red and black. They show an agrarian society and are artistic expressions of people in ancient times. The drawings give insight into their lifestyle and homesteads. They are certainly invaluable as artistic heritage of the country. A number of earthenware pieces of three-legged pots and stone axes were also found in the area. To get there: From the city, take Road No. 333 past Amphoe Nong Chang, then take Road No. 3438 (Amphoe Nong Chang-Amphoe Lan Sak) for around 21.5 kilometres. You will see the Pla Ra Mountain range on the left. Then turn left onto an asphalt road for about 7.5 kilometres and continue on foot around 2 kilometres up the mountain to the peak to see the prehistoric drawings. The total distance from the city is around 51.6 kilometres. Tham Hup Pa Tat (ถ้ำหุบป่าตาด) is a large valley with an area of about 48,000 square metres. The mountain range surrounding the valley is a limestone range. Part of it is Khao Huai Sok that connects with Khao Pla Ra, about 1 kilometre away. The way up to the cave is a margosa forest. Upon reaching the cave mouth you will see a dark cave. After a walk of around 100 metres, you will emerge from darkness and see the way down to the valley. Looking around you will see a limestone mountain surrounded by high cliffs. This enables sunlight to reach the ground only at midday. Therefore, the valley has higher humidity than other parts and this contributes to a wealth of flora. The thick jungle features gigantic shrubs of the genus Excoecaria that are similar to prehistoric trees. To get there: Use the same route as Khao Pla Ra. It is 300 metres before the mountain. Tham Khao Khong Chai (ถ้ำเขาฆ้องชัย) is on a limestone mountain range that is about 353 metres high. The range is naturally beautiful and has a large cave in the front part where stone tools and earthenware pieces were discovered. It is believed that it was the dwelling of prehistoric people. The cave is now the home of numerous bats. To get there: From the city, take Road No. 333 past Amphoe Nong Chang. From there, take No. 3438 (Amphoe Nong Chang-Amphoe Lan Sak Route). About 2 kilometres before reaching Amphoe Lan Sak, there is a left turn into Lan Sak Witthaya School. Continue on 500 metres to Khao Khong Chai. It is around 52.4 kilometres from the city. Khao Phraya Phai Rua (เขาพระยาพายเรือ) is in Mu 5 of Tambon Lan Sak. The mountain is shaped like a Chinese junk and is surrounded by a natural moat. It is covered with assorted plants and there are altogether 12 caves leading underground. Each cave has distinctive stalactites and stalagmites, like Kaeo Cave, Si Chomphu Cave, Thong Phra Rong Cave, Ang Nam Mon Cave, Phuttha Sathan Cave, Khao Pha Raet Cave and ending with Phra Non Cave. In front of this cave is a large natural pond that is teeming with a variety of fish and which has beautiful scenery. To get there: From Amphoe Lan Sak, take Highway No. 3438 to Huai Kha Khaeng for about 4-5 kilometres. A sign tells you to turn right for 4 kilometres to Khao Phraya Phai Rua Cave.

Amphoe Huai Khot
Ban Samo Thong Hot Spring (น้ำพุร้อนบ้านสมอทอง) is in Mu 2, Tambon Thong Lang. This is a small spring that sprouts up to the surface. The hot water from underground converges to form a little stream that flows down to Than Khok Khwai or Huai Khun Kaeo. The water is clear and pungent with the aroma of sulphur. The water is so hot that it can boil an egg in 5 minutes. The Royal Irrigation Department has constructed Huai Khun Kaeo Reservoir, flooding the stream and the spring itself. However, and earth levee has been developed around the spring and some landscaping has been done to create a good rest area for visitors. The spring has an area of 4,000 square metres and consists of 3 springs. To get there: From Amphoe Ban Rai, take Highway No.3282 (Amphoe Ban Rai-Amphoe Huai Khot) to Km. 41, then turn right to Ban Wang Yang Samo Thong for another 24 kilometres. The total distance from the city is 64 kilometres.

Namtok Cyber (น้ำตกไซเบอร์) is in Huai Kha Khaeng Wildlife Reserve and tourists are permitted to visit it. The waterfall is situated amidst nature surrounded by the Huai Kha Khaeng forest. The water comes from the western mountain of the reserve, resulting in a medium-sized waterfall that drops down several levels before splashing on the boulders below. Beneath the waterfall is the Cyber Forest Protection Unit. From here, tourists must walk 105 kilometres to the waterfall. To get there: From Uthai Thani, take the Uthai Thani-Nong Chang-Ban Rai road for about 79 kilometres. From Amphoe Ban Rai, take Highway No. 3282 to Cyber village in Tambon Khok Khwai for another 30 kilometres. A sign points to the waterfall, then turn right there for 7 kilometres. Note: The route into the waterfall is 7 kilometres long and is a rough laterite road. It is unsuitable for low cars and sedans.

Amphoe Ban Rai
Wat Khao Wong (วัดเขาวงพรหมจรรย์) is a temple in a valley. It has a beautiful two-storey Thai-style convocation hall. The area has been exquisitely landscaped. The monastery is the 13th of 19 branches of Wat Sangkhathan in Nonthaburi that are in places such as Chiang Mai, Um Phang, the United Kingdom, and India. The monastery was built in 1987 and has a total area of 320,000 square metres. The surrounding area is mountain and forest. The most striking feature of Khao Wong Monastery is the 4-storey Thai-style multi-purpose pavilion. Built almost entirely of wood, the pavilion has a pond in front with many fish. Around the pond is a garden of colourful flowers. The wood used in the pavilion’s construction was donated by locals and has been transformed into a work of architecture that retains natural qualities. The monastery has a monthly meditation class for those who are interested.

To get there: Use the same route as Tham Phu Wai. It is about 3 kilometres before reaching the cave Namtok Pha Rom Yen (น้ำตกผาร่มเย็น) is in Ban Mai Rom Yen. The highlight of the waterfall is its uniqueness of being a limestone waterfall that falls from a cliff. It can be clearly seen from the road nearby. This beautiful waterfall flows from a small stream 4 levels up. It is about 100 metres high. The highest level is a stream that falls down to a pool on the second level. The highest level is the level that can be viewed from the entrance. The beauty of this waterfall lies in the fact that it falls down a high cliff, splashing into mist down below. The nearby area is bright green with moss and ferns. The surrounding nature provides cool shade for visitors. To get there: From Amphoe Ban Rai, take Highway No. 3011 (Ban Rai-Phu Bon) to the entrance of Ban Mai Rom Yen, then turn right for around 2 kilometres. Then go on foot for 400 metres from the entrance to the waterfall. Ban I Mat-I Sai Hill Tribe Cultural Centre is in Tambon Kaen Makrut. The centre has a house with a raised lower floor, a thatched roof and bamboo walls. This is a replica of a Karen house for tourists to see and there is also a room displaying tools and utensils of Karens. There is accommodation available and a cultural performance if advance notice is given. Moreover, there are hill tribe volunteers taking visitors to see nearby areas. For more information, please contact Tel: 0 5651 2026. The Karen village near here is Chao Wat Yang Daeng Village that strictly adheres to old traditions. It leads a simple lifestyle and has a peaceful atmosphere. The interesting event of this village is the New Year Festival that is held on the fullmoon night of April To get there: From Amphoe Ban Rai, take Highway No. 3011 (Ban Rai-Phu Bon) for about 20 kilometres.

Buy
The crispy Khao Kung Krop (ข้าวกุ้งกรอบ), made from rice and shrimps mixed together and deep-fried. Leading items in restaurant menu are mainly fresh-water fish caught from the river. Pomelo is also widely grown on Ko Thepho. Local woven materials (ผ้าทอพื้นเมือง) are made mainly around Ban Khok Mo, Thap Than district and the Thai-Laotian village in Ban Rai, Lan Sak and Sawang Arom districts. Products made from bamboo and water hyacinth (เครื่องจักสานจากไม้ไผ่และผักตบชวา) can be hand-bags, baskets and other accessories, all of which are well-made and attractive.

Festival
Tak Bat Thewo Fair (งานตักบาตรเทโว) at Wat Sangkat Rattanakhiri is the most important event held around October. Hundreds of monks residing within the Mueang district walk down the steps from the top of Khao Sakaekrang to accept food offerings from Buddhist devotees who gather in the ground of the temple. The fair is based on the traditional belief that the Lord Buddha on one occasion returned to earth from heaven.

Amphoe Mueang Uthai Thani

 * Amornsuk (อมรสุข) 71/23 Rakkandi Road, Tambon Uthai mai, In front of Uthai Thani Hospital (Tel: 0 5651 1693, 0 5652 4339 fax: 0 5652 4339), 37 rooms: 150-350 baht
 * Amornsuk 2 (อมรสุข2) 40/12 Manee Rat Road, Tambon Uthai Mai (Tel: 0 5651 2164) 22 rooms: 150-350 baht
 * Huai Kha Khaeng Chetthasin (โรงแรมห้วยขาแข้งเชษฐศิลป์) 26 Phahonyotin Road, Tambon Uthai Mai (Tel: 0 5652 4833-5, 0 5651 1263 Fax: 0 5651 1264), 120 rooms: 650-2,500 baht
 * Baan Suanchalum (บ้านสวนชลัมภ์ รีสอร์ท) 3/3 Mu 5 Tambon Sakaekrang (Tel: 08 6213 7514, 08 1252 4592, 08 1847 6813) www.baansuanchalum.com, 30 rooms: 700-1,200 baht
 * Phibunsuk (พิบูลย์สุข) 336 Si Uthai Road, Tambon Uthai mai (Tel: 0 5651 1048, 05651 1647 Fax: 0 5651 1003), 79 rooms: 190-500 baht
 * Uthai Iyara Park Hotel and Resort (อุทัย ไอยรา ปาร์ค โฮเต็ล แอนด์ รีสอร์ท) 55 Mu 4, Tambon Hat Thanong(Tel : 0 5651 6333 Fax: 0 56510 6222 Bangkok: 0 2259 8511-6 Fax: 0 2259 8510),
 * 333 House (333 เฮ้าส์) 1/1-12 Phahonyothin Road, Tambon Sa kae Krung (Tel: 0 5652 4883), 40 rooms: 200-450 baht

Amphoe Ban Rai

 * Huai Khakhaeng Country Home Resort (ห้วยขาแข้ง คันทรีโฮมรีสอร์ท) 102 Mu 8, Ban Rai-Lan Suk, Tambon Khok Khwai (Tel: 0 1330 3260, 0 1867 4967, 0 1902 7331 Bangkok Tel: 0 2373 6351, 0 2373 6038 Fax: 0 9815 0623) www.countryhomeresort.com, 25 houses and 70 rooms: 1,100-4,800 baht
 * Huai Pa Pok Resort (สวน��้วยป่าปกรีสอร์ท) 69 Mu 10 Ban Rai (Tel: 0 5653 9085, 0 1949 5587), 7 rooms & 41 bungalows: 500-3,500 baht
 * Pang Naret Resort (ปางนเรศวร์รีสอร์ท) 113 Mu 3, Ban I Lup-Khao Phu Toey (Tel: 0 5657 9150, 0 1925 5429 Bangkok: 0 2561 1417, 0 2579 1295, 0 1986 4099), 4 houses (14 rooms): 500-2,400 baht

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 14:30, 5 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Utica

Major edit nedded
This reads like a combination of an encyclopedia or almanac entry and lots of cut and pasted publicity. This article needs a major edit job. I wish I had the time, but maybe one of you does.

Michael 07:00, 27 Apr 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree. I've added a banner to let people know that this article needs some TLC. You can also add it to Project:Articles needing attention. Thanks! (WT-en) Majnoona 08:17, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

Thanks, Majnoona. I've added the article to the list of articles needing attention.

Michael 10:00, 05 May 2006 (UTC)

Copyright violation
Much of it is copyvio cut and paste from the city gov't site, e.g. all the stuff on universities, and the children's museum section. http://www.cityofutica.com/Entertainment/Attractions/Children%27s+Museum+.htm I've edited out some of that. (WT-en) Pashley 20:07, 15 September 2006 (EDT)

I've just reformatted a few sections and edited out some of the extra info about colleges and events. Still has copyvio issues and needs lots of work. (WT-en) WTDuck2 07:58, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

Cleaned out a bunch more and rearranged things a bit to be closer to template. I'm wondering if the education section can be deleted entirely? It's probably not of interest to the average traveller... (WT-en) WTDuck2 11:14, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

 * We have an optional section called "Learn" that covers educational opportunities for travelers. Colleges with foreign-admissions programs would be appropriate; community colleges would not.  See Project:Where you can stick it for this kind of question. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 11:27, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Thanks! I hadn't noticed that the huge city template had extra sections... (WT-en) WTDuck2 08:09, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

I think Utica might now be okay to remove from Project:Articles needing attention. Content can still be improved, but the style is much better and most if not all of the copyvio has been rewritten. Any thoughts/opinions from anyone else? (I'm rather new and don't want to make that judgment myself...) (WT-en) WTDuck2 08:50, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

Disambiguitation page needed
There's also a place in Michigan with Utica, also. How do I make a disambiguitation page? - (WT-en) CurvyEthyl 17:04, 26 October 2010 (EDT)
 * If the town in Michigan is a tiny place, add :For the town in Michigan, see Utica (Michigan) as the first line of this article, then create your new article at Utica (Michigan). That sort of "hatnote" disambiguation exists for London as it has an Ontario namesake. If the two were the same size, move this page to Utica (New York), make the new page as Utica (Michigan) and then edit the redirect left behind at Utica to list == United States of America == * Utica (Michigan) * Utica (New York) disambig. Niagara Falls does something like this. K7L (talk) 18:28, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The metric is not size of the community, but how well known the primary usage is. If this Utica is much better known than any other Uticas, then this Utica retains the base name.  See Naming conventions.  LtPowers (talk) 01:52, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * In this case, the result would likely be the same as Utica MI (pop 4750) is going to be far less known than Utica NY (pop 62000). NY would be primary. K7L (talk) 02:03, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Rome, New York

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Talk:Útila

Personal story for data mining:

Now Serving Honduran Specials – Utila -By Mel Deogrades / 2004-06-02

If an assortment of life were offered on a menu, it should include a Utila dish. One would order it in this way; “Utila, rare with plenty of diving, lots of life with assorted sautéed travellers on the side”. It is undeniably a place unlike any other. It is different from the chaotic organization of the strollers market at the Pueblo Street of Tegucigalpa. It is certainly unlike the hills and decrepitly decaying streets of Santa Rosa de Copan. I cannot describe it like the suave venues and endearing mountains and magic of Copan Ruinas, and it is definitely opposite the hustle and bustle of San Pedro Sula.

Five days in Utila Island to do my Open Water certification was enough but sufficient only to get certified, and nearly not enough time to get the creases out of a satisfying stay ironed out. I needed to have planned to stay longer. Use this formula – (# of days originally planned) x (the number of people you meet on the Island) x (10 days for every dive logged). Depending on the stage of your life, you might need to raise this a mathematical power to the number of fantastic underwater life that you encounter while diving.

It is not difficult to adjust to the island life as you can easily meld with the locals. The locals are the people who have lived on the island for many years and the trans-locals, are the breed between local and traveller. These trans-locals are the teachers and guides for those newbies on the island who are seeking the wonderful world of diving. Not only do they teach and lead you to the underwater world, they also acquaint you to the local lifestyle and it’s Utilan slang English/Spanish speaking creatures.

This Island is where your money multiplies and bears fruit by just being on the island. Utila boasts the cheapest Open Water courses in the Caribbean, as low as $145.00 US. My course was through Utila Dive Centre, which gives free dormitory accommodation at the beautiful Mango Inn for only $169.00 US. Other accommodations are a meagre $4-$12US with the necessary amenities. The food as well as beer and drinks, is as inexpensive as the tiniest towns in mainland Honduras. Since the island caters to the budget travellers, they often have hosted and cheap special events at a host dive shop or bar.

The food has a wide variety of fruit, seafood meals, pasta, vegetarian and breakfast fitting for a king with fresh and full-bodied coffee. It was the kind of early morning coffee that eluded me in many Honduran cities and towns before 9:00am.

There is no shortfall in entertainment with the consistent danceable music of Coco Locos, the bar on a dock, and the open-air feel of Treetanic Bar, perched up on a tree. Bundu Café offers free movie nights and live music Jam on Thursdays (although a small bano would be nice), and if you want to dance the night away, it is the Bar in the Bush on Fridays. Eventually this whole island turned into one big house with several rooms. All the guests are moving from room to room, intermingling and re-acquainting with each other.

I do regress that Utila is an Island of discovery, which reflects well on its visitors. Their stay is as in transit as their goals in life. Freedom from not committing to anything is part of its gender. One needs to understand that islands are isolated and thus gasoline is sparse, bank machines non-existent, Euro and other currency (except US dollar) unchangeable to Lempiras, and credit cards are not always taken. Islands are weather, ferry and aircraft dependant. Lots of lotion-based insect repellent is required to deter these ravenous Sand Flies. It’s distance and isolation raises prices for high tech luxuries in particular Internet Services ($4-$10 an hour) and international calls.

After one of my fabulous dives off Black Coral Wall, I lay baking under the sun, on top of the boat roof with my co-divers and diving instructor Valerie. She looked on to a private dock on the coastline full of perched Pelicans. I stared at the aquamarine blue water, trying to define where the water ends and the blue sky begins over the horizon. Valerie looks at me, smiles and says (in her French Canadian/London England accent); “not a bad life eh?”. That day, Utila was served to me on a plate as food for thought. I can easily stay and drink the life of diving, nibble on the quirkiness of the assortment of people and gorge on life as an islander. Would I starve?? That day will only come after Utila’s magic mathematical formula has expired and my essential self is ready to move on, but until then, Utila Island should always be the special on everyone’s menu.

Moved the page
The link from the Honduras page goes to Útila, while there was already a page named Utila. I moved the page with content to the one linked from the Honduras page for consistancy. - (WT-en) Rwhitney

 * Thank you for moving Utila to Útila. However, is Útila the English name or the Honduran one? Our Project:Article naming conventions call for the most common English name to be used. -- (WT-en) Huttite 05:28, 15 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Let's revisit this. My understanding is, if there is no widely recognized English-language name (e.g., Turin, Genoa, Rome, Naples, Munich, Vienna, Cologne, Jerusalem), we use the local name. So is there any good reason not to move this article back to Útila, the name that related sites (Wikipedia, Commons, German Wikivoyage) use? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:27, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

 * Nope, our policy is clearer in this decade—it should be Útila. --Peter Talk 05:23, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

 * Moved accordingly. Now, to change all the spellings of the name within the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:21, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Utsunomiya

English
This article's in Engrish. Anyone who knows enough to change it would be well to do so.

And I would hardly say the police regularly perform visa checks.

 * It seems most of the bad English has been improved. --Orcrist (talk) 14:21, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Motegi Twin Race
I don't know what the Motegi Twin Race is, and what is currently written doesn't explain much. Hmm. Either it should be improved or erased. (Also, elsewhere, tags should be used instead of manually putting things in italics or bold or whatnot.) --Orcrist (talk) 14:22, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Uttaradit

TAT Listings
I placed a bunch of listings from TAT at Talk:Uttaradit/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 14:35, 5 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Uttaradit/Listings

Amphoe Mueang Uttaradit
Wat Thamma Thipatai (วัดธรรมาธิปไตย) at In Chai Mi intersection is where the door panels of the large and ancient Vihan of Wat Phra Fang are kept. The panels, made of wood, measure 2.2 metre wide x 5.3 metre high. The carved design is of the graceful style of the Late Ayutthaya Period. They are rated as the second best such creation next only to those at Wat Suthat in Bangkok. Located in town on the Nan River bank is Wat Tha Thanon (วัดท่าถนน), which houses Luang Pho Phet (หลวงพ่อเพชร), the principal Buddha statue of the province. It is of the Chiang Saen style and cast in bronze. To the east of town about 3 kilometres away on Samranrun Road is Wat Yai Tha Sao (วัดใหญ่ท่าเสา). It features and old Vihan with beautiful wood-carved door panels and lintels.

The Phraya Phichai Dap Hak Memorial (อนุสาวรีย์พระยาพิชัยดาบหัก) is installed in front of the townhall erected in honour of a hero. As governor of Muang Phichai (south of Uttaradit) about 200 years ago during the Thon Buri Period, the valiantly fought with Burmese evaders until one of his swords broke in two. But he prevailed over them. Hence the sobriquet “Phichai of the Broken Sword”. Once the official residence of the provincial governor, the Uttaradit Provincial Cultural Hall (หอวัฒนธรรมจังหวัดอุตรดิตถ์) houses important historical relics. A major item is the "Yan Mat" (ยานมาศ), a carved wooden carrying pole made by Late Ayutthaya Period craftsmen. Wat Klang (วัดกลาง), about three kiometres from Mueang district at Tambon Ban Kae, is an old temple with beautiful plaster bas-reliefs over the Ubosot. Inside are rare wall murals of the Early Rattanakosin Period style depicting the Jataka and assemblage of celestial beings.

Amphoe Laplae
Amphoe Laplae can be reached from the provincial town by taking Highway No. 102, taking a right turn after about 3 kilometres onto Highway No. 1041 and continue on for a further 6 kilometres. The site was originally an ancient community during the Ayutthaya Period. It served as a secret hide-out for people in Phrae and Nan who fled from enemy or calamity as its location was sandwiched in between mountains. Today Laplae is an attractive place to visit with interesting ancient sites and handicraft materials. It is also a major producer of Langsat, the province's famous fruit. The Phra Si Phanommat Memorial (อนุสาวรีย์พระศรีพนมมาศ), in Laplae district, commemorates a community leader who was highly repeated by the townspeople. The Chinese-descended tax collector on alcohol products contributed tremendously to the development of the community and was rewarded with the rank of Phra Si Phanommat from King Rama V.

Wat Phra Borom That Thung Yang (วัดพระบรมธาตุทุ่งยั้ง) is about 3 kilometres from town on Highway No.102. An old temple, it was once called Wat Mahathat. There is a large, circular-shaped, Ceylonese-style Chedi enshrining a Holy Relic. Wat Phra Yun Phutthabat Yukhon (วัดพระยืนพุทธบาทยุคล), near Wat Phra Borom That Thung Yang, features a Chiang Saen-style Mondop which covers a pair of holy Footprint. It also houses a Sukhothai-style Buddha statue cast in bronze.

A little further from Wat Phra Yun, some 14 kilometres from town is Wat Phra Thaen Sila Art (วัดพระแท่นศิลาอาสน์). The major feature is the base of a sermon platform built with laterite. The square slab with pattern is believed to have been made during the Sukhothai Period. Namtok Mae Phun (น้ำตกแม่พูล), located at Ban Ton Klua, is about 20 kilometres from town. The dam-like barrier creates multi-level cascades amid pleasant natural surroundings.

Amphoe Thong Saen Khan
Bo Lek Nam Phi (บ่อเหล็กน้ำพี้) is the source of the best quality steel which was used to fashion swords and weapons in the past. Today, there are still two "wells" in existence. Ores from these two sources are believed to have been used to make swords for kings only. This ancient site can be reached by going for a distance of 42 kilometres to Thong Saen Khan district and continue for another 14 kilometres on Highway 1245.

Amphoe Tha Pla
Lamnam Nan National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติลำน้ำน่าน) is located in Phrae, Nan and Uttaradit provinces. It is a complex mountain range comprising of various kinds of abundant forests. It is also a water source of the reservoir above the Sirikit Dam. It covers a total area of 624,468 rai and consists of mixed deciduous forest, dry evergreen forest, hill evergreen forest and deciduous dipterocarp forest, where the leaves will transform into beautiful colours during winter and is a habitat of various types of animals such as barking deer, deer, wild boars, bears and more than 200 kinds of birds. Lamnam Nan National Park was announced a national park on 30 September 1998. The top of the park is the Phu Phaya Pho summit with a height of 1,350 metres. It forms a boundary between Phrae and Uttaradit. It is cool all year. There is heavy rain during May and September, while it is cold during winter.

Places of interest in Lamnam Nan National Park are as follows:-

*Lamnam Nan National Park is accommodation and a camping area provided. For more information, please contact the Lamnam Nan National Park Tourist Information Office at Tel. 0 5541 9236 or Office of the National Park, Wildlife and Plant Conservation Department in Bangkok at Tel. 0 2562 0760 or www.dnp.go.th.
 * Sirikit Dam (เขื่อนสิริกิติ์) at Tha Pla district some 68 kilometres from town on the Uttaradit-Tha Pla Road, is the country’s large earthen dam. Built to dam up the Nan River, the dike is 800 metres long. Beyond the dam is a large lake with beautiful scenery. During the cool season, the attractively landscape terrain bursts out in a profusion of colourful flowers and blooms. There are accommodation and boating services available.

Amphoe Nam Pat
Phu Soi Dao National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติภูสอยดาว) covers an area of 149,375 rai and Amphoe Ban Khok, Amphoe Nam Pat, Uttaradit, and Amphoe Chat Trakan, Phitsanulok. Geographically, it consists of high mountains along the Thai-Lao border, whose summit is Phu Soi Dao which is 2,102 metres above sea level. Its topography consists of high mountains covered with undulating hill evergreen forest with prairie and pine forest such as the forest of Son Sam Bai (Pinus Kesiya). It is cool nearly all year with various kinds of wild flowers such as Ngon Nak (Murdannia giganteum) and Dok Din (Aeginetia indica), which grow in the pine forest of Phu Soi Dao. The national park can be visited all year. However, colourful flowers bloom during the rainy season. It is recommended to visit the park at the end of the rainy season and at the beginning of winter. Interesting attractions in the park are Namtok Phu Soi Dao, Lan Son and Namtok Sai Thip.

To get there: From Uttaradit, take Highway No. 1045. Pass Sirikit Dam to Amphoe Nam Pat, a distance of 68 kilometres. Then, take Highway No. 1239 to Ban Huai Mun for 47 kilometres. From there, take Highway No.1268 for 18 kilometres to Namtok Phu Soi Dao. It is the starting point of the walk to the Lan Son Summit. Accommodation and camping area are provided in the park. For more information, please contact Phu Soi Dao National Park at Tel. 0 5541 9234-5 or visit www.dnp.go.th

The Sak Yai Forest Park (วนอุทยานสักใหญ่) in Nam Pat district about 80 kilometres from town on Highways No. 1045, 1146 and 1047, features the largest teak tree in the world. It has a circumference of 9.87 metres and is believed to be about 1,500 years old. Unfortunately, its top has been broken of by storm but the trunk still stands.

Khlong Tron National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติคลองตรอน) covers the area of Amphoe Nam Pat, Amphoe Thong Saen Khan, Uttaradit, which is 278,125 rai of unspoiled forest. It consists of gigantic canals and creeks. The general condition of the forest consists of dry evergreen forest, hill evergreen forest, pine forest, mixed deciduous forest and deciduous dipterocarp forest. Wildlife that can be discovered are Sumatran serows, bears, barking deer, mouse deer, etc.

To get there: From Uttaradit to Amphoe Nam Pat, take Highway No. 1045 for 68 kilometres. From Nam Pat District Office, take Highway No. 1212 (Huai Duea – Ban Phia) to Ban Ton Khanun for 23 kilometres to the national park. Khlong Tron National Park is situated at Mu 3, Tambon Nam Khrai, Amphoe Nam Pat or visit www.dnp.go.th. Interesting attractions in the national park are Namtok Khlong Tron, Namtok Huai Khom, Pha Phu Miang and Tham Chan.

Buy
Interesting items include woven materials (ผลิตภัณฑ์จากผ้าพื้นเมือง) with their lovely designs and colours, and preserved edibles made from local fruits such as chewy candy-like Kluai Kuan (กล้วยกวน) which a made from banana. They are available from shops in town and at Laplae district.

Festival
Phraya Phichai Dap Hak and Red Cross Fair (งานพระยาพิชัยดาบหักและงานกาชาด)  is organized to commemorate the heroic deeds of Phraya Phichai during 7-16 January every year at Phraya Phichai Dap Hak Stadium. There are the Provincial Red Cross Centre’s booths selling products, traditional and cultural performances, various forms of entertainment and a ceremony to worship Phraya Phichai Dap Hak. The Tradition of Buddha Cremation (ประเพณีถวายพระเพลิงพระบรมศพพระพุทธเจ้า), a religious ritual seen nowhere else, is held at Wat Phra Borom That Thung Yang after Visakha Bucha day in May. It features the re-enactment the funeral ceremony for the Lord Buddha.

Sleep
Amphoe Mueang Uttaradit
 * Friday (ฟรายเดย์) 172 Borom-at Road (Tel: 0 5544 0292-300), 147 rooms: 750-2,500 baht
 * Nam Chai (นำชัย) 213/3 Borom-at Road (Tel: 0 5541 1753), 50 rooms: 140-180 baht
 * P. Wanich 1 (พ.วานิช 1) 33-35 Phloen Ruedi Road (Tel: 0 5541 1008, 442180), 24 rooms: 170-300 baht
 * P. Wanich 2 (พ.วานิช 2) 2/1-5 Si Uttra Road (Tel: 0 5541 1499, 0 5544 2181), 66 rooms: 140-300 baht
 * P. Wanich 3 (พ.วานิช 3) 47-51 Charoenrat Road (Tel: 0 5541 1559), 24 rooms: 120-150 baht
 * Siharaj (สีหราช) 163 Borom-at Road (Tel: 0 5541 4184-5, 0 5541 2223), 152 rooms: 750-2,500 baht
 * Thanothai (ธโนทัย) 149-153 Kasemrat Road (Tel: 0 5541 1669), 20 rooms: 300-350 baht
 * Uttaradit 2 (อุตรดิตถ์ 2) 438 Sila Art Road (Tel: 0 5541 1017, 0 5541 2726), 12 rooms: 150-230 baht
 * Wiwat (วิวัฒน์) Borom-at Road (Tel: 0 5541 1778, 0 5541 1791, 0 5544 1966-70), 110 rooms: 240-550 baht

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 14:36, 5 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Uttarakhand

(One trip report)

Name change
Frankly, I don't feel strongly about this name change -- I wasn't particularly familiar with Uttaranchal, so the change to Uttarakhand doesn't bother me. Any other opinions? --(WT-en) Evan 13:13, 26 January 2007 (EST)

 * Somebody has obviously forgotten to tell the folks at Uttaranchal ("...simply heaven!") Tourism, who are still running their TV ads under the old name, but as even Uttaranchal only dates back to 2000, we might as well change it. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:17, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Uttaranchal is an aberration that was introduced in 1998 when the government was taking its first tentative steps to form the state. The BJP made several arguments at the time for the name change, including that Uttarakhand sounded too separatist, and that Uttaranchal was a fusion of the first half of Uttarakhand and the second half of Kurmanchal. They argued that Uttarakhand referred only to the Garhwal region, while Kumaon, also named Kurmanchal, was left out. However, Uttarakhand was the name under which the separate state movement from all corners of the state had convened, so most people did not buy those constructed arguments. The entire region has also been known as Uttarakhand since ancient times and appears in literature until the late 1990s. Stranger still, is that Uttarakhand has a deep religious lineage, appearing in the Puranas. For the BJP to make the arguments that it did at the time seemed to contradict their self-proscribed role as the defenders of Indian heritage. Anyways, the debate is finally over. 64.231.143.136 01:08, 18 February 2007 (EST)
 * Thanks for the information. I learned a lot about the history of Uttarakhand. Wikivoyage, however, decides which title to adopt for its destination articles based on the place's most common English name. That is the only criteria. Anyway, thanks again for the info, and for your future reference, you might like to familiarize yourself with this information: Project:Article naming conventions. Cheers. (WT-en) WindHorse 01:24, 18 February 2007 (EST)

Regions are needed now!
I think we need some regionalisation and ration-alisation here folks. From the article, so far we have:
 * Two main regions of Uttarakhand are Garhwal and Kumaon.
 * Bedni Bugyal - in Chamoli District.
 * Gwaldam - in Chamoli District too.
 * Chamba - provides a great view of Chamba Valley
 * Chopta - in Rudraprayag, and appears to be part of Garhwal.
 * Dayara Bugyal - in Uttarkashi District, also called the Valley of Saints?
 * Lansdowne - appears to be in Garhwal.
 * Nainital - is The Lake District ?
 * Panwali Bugyal - in Tehri District.
 * A bugyal appears to be an alpine meadow, which suggests that these places more likely to be regional attractions rather than articles.

By my count that makes two distinct major regions and 6 separate sub-regions that this state can be split into. Possibly more as there are views of Doon Valley and Central Himalayas also mentioned, though it is not clear that they are regions as such. -- (WT-en) Huttite 06:54, 21 November 2009 (EST)

 * I am not sure I like this idea of splitting into regions and then a separate layer of sub-regions, unless it is really necessary. This is the way the state govt does it, but that should not be our concern. The district map of Uttarakhand is here. There are 13 districts and we should be able to come with a four or five region structure from that. It would seem better to me to go state -> regions -> cities/destinations, rather than to stick another layer of sub-regions in there.  If nothing else this avoids one layer of regional articles - the single most unloved things at WikiTravel I think.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:46, 21 November 2009 (EST)

Cities
The list of cities is far too long here, but I have no knowledge of the area, so feel uncomfortable plunging forward. Is there either someone who does have the knowledge to feel comfortable doing this, or can we reach some sort of consensus on which 9 to keep? (WT-en) Nrms 09:56, 27 February 2010 (EST)

 * I have reduced the number of cities to nine and also moved all cities to the relevant regions, Garhwal or Kumaon. Now we have way too many cities in Garhwal, which needs to be subdivided in two or three subregions, any ideas how to do that?, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 18:01, 27 February 2010 (EST)

 * Garhwal has 12 cities. That's fine for a bottom-level region article and does not require further subdivision. However, there are cities (hill towns, villages, etc.) in its "Other destinations" list, just as there are in Uttarakhand, and that's a problem. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:26, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Other destinations
Most of these seem to be cities (including hill stations, which fall under the WV definition of a "city"). That logically means most of these should be removed, or if any are more important to travellers than any of the cities in the "Cities" list, moved there, with cities currently there removed from that list. We might be able to finesse this in some cases, though, such as by listing "Temple of Vishnu in Badrinath" in "Other destinations," based on the idea that the temple is more of a destination than the town itself.

This will take a lot of work, but if you know Uttarakhand well, or have even visited at all, you may be much better able to help than most of us. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:01, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

 * We really should resolve this issue. If no-one has any idea of how to resolve it, I will go through the "Other destinations" list within the next few days and simply remove every listing for a place that's considered a "city" under WV definitions. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:24, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

 * And now, there are 12 of them. Which should be removed, in order to get (back?) to the required limit of 9? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:36, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Chamba (Uttarakhand)
Chamba is 3rd on the list of "Cities", but it's actually a small town. Chamba (Himachal Pradesh), to which the link led until a few minutes ago, is a much more important town, and Commons has a Category:Chamba that links to the town in HP. It's hard to find much information about Chamba, Uttarakhand: There are no photos of the town in Commons, but plenty for its HP namesake. Chamba Uttarakhand is not extremely content-laden, either.

So the upshot is, should we substitute some other city in place of Chamba (Uttarakhand) in the "Cities" list, and if so, which city would you suggest? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:03, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

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Regions
I tried to add regions to this article, since there are a good 70 districts in the state—it definitely needs some kind of regions structure. Unfortunately, I know nothing about the area, so I probably got it wrong. Please feel free to correct. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:03, 20 December 2008 (EST)
 * This needs to be revisited, as it is unclear where the borders between the regions lie. I can't figure out, for example, where Saharanpur or Etawah are supposed to go. Texugo (talk) 12:50, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Any further information on this? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:31, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

List of 9 cities - which ones?
Wikivoyage policy is to list no more than 9 cities in the "Cities" list in an article about a state. Right now, we have the following cities listed:

 * Lucknow — the capital of Uttar Pradesh, also home to one of the IIM
 * Agra — the tourist Capital of India, home to three World Heritage Site, including the Taj Mahal
 * Allahabad — holy place where the rivers Ganga, Yamuna & Saraswati meet
 * Ayodhya — birth Place of Lord Shri Ram and Lord Rishabhdev, first Tirthankar of the Jains.
 * Bareilly — historical city of Rohilkhand
 * Jhansi — historical city of Northern Bundelkhand
 * Kanpur — once known as the "Manchester of India", now famous for its leather works and the IIT
 * Kasganj
 * Mathura — birth Place of Lord Krishna
 * Sarnath — the site of the Buddha Sakyamuni's first teaching after gaining enlightenment
 * Varanasi
 * Bulandshahr — Holy Place of Mahabharata, Pandavas stayed here during Vanvas.

Kasganj and Bulandshahr are red links, so we can probably agree to remove them. But that would still leave 10 cities, and a user just added Faizabad, which I reverted pending agreement.

I am no expert on the state, but it's obvious to me that, in addition to listing Lucknow, the state capital, Agra and Varanasi must be listed. Of course, arguments can be made for all the others. So if you know the state well, which ones are least important? Sarnath is close to Varanasi and UP Tourism gives its 1991 population as having been 8,071. Even if it's doubled since then, it's still a very small town, and despite its historical importance, I found it pretty underwhelming to visit compared to Varanasi, from which it's an easy day trip, so I'd recommend deleting its listing. Should we leave all the rest other than the two red-linked places and Sarnath? What about Faizabad? Should we list it instead of one of the remaining 9 cities? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:02, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

 * The list is now down to 9, with Bareilly having been deleted as embarrassing. However, if anyone would like to argue for including Faizabad instead of one of the currently-listed cities, such as perhaps Sarnath, please make the argument here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:01, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

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"Regions" text
Can we please get rid of all the clutter? Right now, instead of descriptions that would tell prospective travelers why they might want to visit each region, we have long lists of every darn city in each region. Some nice descriptions from someone who knows each region would be 1,000% better! Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:21, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Done, although descriptions could be ironed. Ground Zero (talk) 03:24, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

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Labna text
I didn't copy over the text from the redirected Labna article, because it was lifted lock, stock and barrel from Wikipedia. (Changing "storey" to "story" was the only change that I noted.) Per Project:Cooperating with Wikipedia, that material should never have been there in the first place, and shouldn't be in the redirected article either. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:16, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

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Comments
I say we try to clean out most of what has to do with the salt flats, and rather put that information in its proper article, Salar de Uyuni. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Mariusm98 (talk • contribs)

Removed listing
Someone added a negative description to this one, so I removed it. (WT-en) Texugo 22:23, 18 March 2010 (EDT)
 * Worth knowing about just to avoid it. Extremely rude manager and very poor service.  We arrived late after a long train journey to find that there were no showers and the price was more than agreed.  When we asked to look at a room, the manager changed her mind and said that there were none available (despite our confirmed reservation).

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Talk:Uzbekistan

Warning box
I removed the warning box that had been placed at the top of the article. It was rather over the top and is more an indication of the excessive caution shown by the US Government than any problem in Uzbekistan. I am a regular visitor to Tashkent and have never experienced any problems. (WT-en) David Stanley 14 June 2006

What is the warning box doing there? I'm not even from the US, nor are many other wikivoyage users. So why on earth should I be interested in warnings from a department of the US government? These messages don't belong on this site IMO.

 * Any travel advisories from any government constitute information that some travelers may find useful. It's up to each person to make up his/her own mind up, and withholding information because many travelers aren't from the US is not a policy guideline I can agree to. Whether the advisory is accurate or not is a different question. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 18:16, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

 * There have been several warning boxes added to articles lately that seem a bit questionable. In this case the information seems useful, but I think it belongs in the "Stay safe" section and not at the top of the article.  I've moved it accordingly. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:24, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

 * For what it's worth, that seems reasonable to me. As I understand, warning boxes are to be used mostly in cases of imminent threats to life only, such as in war zones. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 19:04, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

I think it would be appropriate to remove the warning box as it stands now, but retain the warning text about border areas. I'll do this and see how others feel. I won't be too offended if it gets reverted! The Uzbek authorities are on top of security across the country (arguably too much so). (WT-en) Davidbstanley 08:01, 7 October 2011 (EDT)

Aral Sea
Should I create a seperate page for Aral Sea, as it is not ordinary sea. It is possible to get there, I have been there, but it is really not a place for swimming and sunbath —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Darameja (talk • contribs)

 * Yes, I would encourage you to do so. It might be a bit tricky to write, since it wouldn't match our region or city templates—maybe the Project:Park article template would be the best fit?

Region names
If region names are same as city in region names - how to differianciate the links to region and city? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Darameja (talk • contribs)

 * Our way of disambiguating articles with the same name would be to call the region article "Place (region)" and the city article "Place (city)." Hope that helps!  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:52, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Regions
This is another rather tough country to divide, especially as the population is quite large, there is a fair amount to see, but we have relatively little content. Here is my idea, mostly following provincial boundaries:

 * Northern Uzbekistan (Qaraqalpaqstan, Khorezm, Navoiy). I wanted to have Qaraqalpaqstan as a separate region, as it is quite large & semi-autonomous. But the other two northern provinces have much less content, and Khorezm would totally be cut off from the rest of the country by the Qaraqalpastan province (and I don't think it could support a good article).
 * Samarkand and Bukhara (Samarkand, Bukhara). The most romantic names of the Silk Road should go together. I propose we include that long, skinny stretch of Navoiy in this region. There might be a better name? Perhaps something in the more cheesy vein of Heart of the Silk Road?
 * Southern Uzbekistan or Uzbekistani Highlands (Surkhandaryo, Qashqadaryo). This is the one mountainous part of the country, and is heavily ethnic Tajik. I think it's fairly cohesive.
 * Central Uzbekistan or Tashkent Region (Jizzah, Sirdaryo, Tashkent). The political and economic center of Uzbekistan.
 * Ferghana Valley (Uzbekistan). This one is straightforward.

The map isn't finished, but should illustrate the proposal. Does this look good? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:21, 19 January 2010 (EST)

 * Looks good to me. (WT-en) AHeneen 22:01, 20 January 2010 (EST)

Status of governmental system in Uzbekistan
"Republic," if it doesn't mean "constitutional system with [at least reasonably] free and fair elections," provides no information to the traveler except that there is no official king. I think "authoritarian presidential rule" is an accurate description of the actual situation in Uzbekistan. Please make a persuasive argument that Uzbekistan is a democracy or an explanation of why "republic" is an informative description for travelers, or stop editing the description of "authoritarian presidential rule." Thanks. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 15:18, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

 * I agree. IMO, "dictatorship" sounds better than "authoritarian presidential rule." (WT-en) AHeneen 15:30, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

 * That's fine, but there is no longer a space for a description of the governmental system in the info box at the upper right of the article. I guess a decision was made to exclude that info? Any insight from the decision-makers? (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 16:10, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

 * It's there - the "government" attribute of the quickbar, currently set to "Republic" for this article. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:16, 7 May 2012 (EDT)\

 * That's funny. Now I see it. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 17:34, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

 * I see that there has been a minor editing war over the government attribute. I am not convinced that "Dictatorship" is the right description.  I think legally peaking it is a republic, even if in practice, there is no credible opposition to the current president.  "Dictatorship" has some pretty negative connotations, particularly in the light of the Sacha Baron Cohen film of the same name.  Remember his Borat film caused considerable offence in both Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan.  I think the actual status of the government is better described in the main text. (WT-en) Davidbstanley 02:10, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

 * Of course the word "dictatorship" has negative connotations! But that's not the issue, is it? What makes Uzbekistan not a dictatorship? Also, if we simply delete a short-hand description (which I would prefer to making the word "republic" meaningless or simply a synonym for "not a monarchy"), what would you put in as a slightly longer summary of the type of governmental system Uzbekistan is under? And I don't think Borat is relevant to whether either Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan are in fact dictatorships. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 04:18, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
 * It could say "Republic (See article)", just to highlight that all is not as it should be. The article does describe the government system.  Also note that both Wikipedia and CIA factbook describe the country as a republic.(WT-en) Davidbstanley 02:21, 1 June 2012 (EDT)

Regional structure
The region articles aren't all that developed and don't contain all that many cities. Do they serve us ad our readers well? Hobbitschuster (talk) 05:19, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Visa guidelines
The "Get in" section is a bit confusing- particularly the list of countries not requiring a letter of invitation because of what I suspect is a grammatical error. Also the visa price is not given, just the price of the LOI

Trying to add a picture
I tried to add to the article. For some reason it didn't work... Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:22, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

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What does "continuously rises from the sea" mean? 114.76.152.221 21:24, 7 October 2011 (EDT)

 * That land areas which have been pushed down during the ice age is rising upwards about a centimeter each year/ a meter in a century displacing the water. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-glacial_rebound (WT-en) Ypsilon 04:29, 25 March 2012 (EDT)

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There are two places that this could cover: Vad in Sweden or Vad in the Russian Nizhniy Novgorod oblast, but I don't have any idea if either is a destination. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 16:24, 28 October 2006 (EDT)

 * How bout this one in Romania? There are some others listed here  -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 16:44, 28 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Looking at the second link I suspect (based solely on the populations) that the Vad in India may certainly be a destination. Although, the Romanian counterpart seems like it would be a destination too.  What about disambiguating?  -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 16:52, 28 October 2006 (EDT)

 * A dab would be okay. Then we can wait on a Wikivoyageer to create any needed articles. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 17:11, 28 October 2006 (EDT)

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94.101.5.1 18:29, 26 June 2010 (EDT)Chinaski Vadsö (Vesisaari) is also the center of what used to be the Finnish Ruija (Finnmark). Not a word about that? Of course this is wikipedia, so I should whre that myself.

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Comments
Seriously, which Vaduz-hater wrote this? There are derisive comments on the city in the sections Understand, Eat, Sleep, and Get Out. I am planning to visit Liechtenstein next September, and these remarks are not very helpful. Feldkirch in Austria might be more interesting, but on this page I would appreciate more information on hotels, bars and eateries in Vaduz. 213.10.71.235 18:12, 6 March 2011 (EST)

 * Another IP editor agrees that there is unfair language in this article. Let's discuss that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:48, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Picture
Is not of a thing in Vaduz. Now, it was recently confirmed to me that I have no idea how to change pictures, but would someone mind uploading an image of the castle that's actually in Vaduz? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Sana-the-random (talk • contribs)

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A tout piece, yes, but I'd kind of love to see a vagabond travel topic... Delete? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:51, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

 * Ok, no need for both rock bottom budget travel and vagabond travel as its redundant; but vagabond travel is the better listing. Its in more common usage, and just generally rolls off the tongue better than rock bottom budget travel (that's really a mouthful). Delete rock bottom not the other way around. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 72.161.23.96 (talk • contribs)

 * Fair enough, I like the name too. Any chance I can talk you into doing the merge yourself? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:05, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

I don't know how to import the proper template. But if you want to do that I'll work on the rest of the merge.

 * Actually, the best way to do this would be for you to move information from here to Rock bottom budget travelling. So merge the content over there, then I can move the article in its entirety to Vagabond travel. That way we can preserve the edit history of Rock bottom budget travelling. So leave me a message when you've merged the content over there. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:05, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

This talk was a couple of years ago now, I'd like to suggest that Vagabond travel isn't really associated with rock bottom budgets but with Rolf Potts book Vagabonding. Rather than a financial motives it focuses on Philosophical ones. --(WT-en) Voyagner 00:01, 26 May 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Vail

Suggestions
It is worth mentioning that Two Elk at the top of Vail is at 11,200 Feet. There are people that will experience altitude "adjustment". In the summertime, it is highly advised to wear 100% UV sunglasses. At this altitude, eyes can become "sunburn" within a few hours. Likewise, suntan lotion is advised during the summer. Remember, about 82% of UV rays are filtered out from the atomosphere from 7,500 feet and below. The UV exposure can be high. We always wear shorts in the summer, but take a backpack with rain gear. If lighting and storms appear suddenly in the mountains, the gondola stops service. This can last minutes or for many hours.

Summer Activities: There is a great Frisbee Golf course! It is very different at high altitude in thin air.

Article Needs a Cleanup
This article needs an editing overhaul to bring it in compliance with the Wikivoyage templates and the Manual of Style. The individual listings for "See", "Do', 'Buy", "Eat" and "Sleep" are also not properly formatted. Please help bring this article up to standard. Thanks! (WT-en) WineCountryInn 17:09, 30 January 2009 (EST)

 * I took a stab at updating the article to remove questionable external links, delete condo and other listings where the same URL appeared over and over, and convert the "Sleep" and "Drink" sections to use Project:Listings. Someone who knows the town better might have more luck with the other sections as I'm not entirely sure what businesses are actually located in Vail and what should appear in other articles. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:12, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Warning Box
Isn't the warning box a little over the top? Couldn't this same information be conveyed through the Get In section "By car"?(WT-en) WineCountryInn 16:27, 1 February 2009 (EST)
 * yep. i plunged forward and fixed it..  --(WT-en) Inas 17:58, 1 February 2009 (EST)

Shuttle services
Apparently the ski resort shuttle services are making an effort to out-tout one another in this article as well as the articles for Breckenridge (Colorado), Beaver Creek, Copper Mountain, etc. Per the guideline on touting and on not listing individual car services when there are many available (see Project:External links) I've removed the lot and would suggest that discussion take place on this talk page before any are re-listed. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 02:25, 3 December 2011 (EST)

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Talk:Valbonne and Biot

I'm confused as to why this is one article, rather than Valbonne and Biot. -- (WT-en) Evan 13:32, 10 Nov 2003 (PST)

Maybe it's more of an area than a town? A la "Twin Cities" or something? It sounds like the interest is actually the tech park between the two, so if you had two articles they would have a big overlap of content. I'd rather call it Valbonne and Biot than French Silicon Valley. But I'm just guessing here (WT-en) Majnoona

I had thought about splitting it up but there would a lot overlap since a good part of the attraction of both is the hiking trails between them. Really it is an area and it may make more sense to call it Behind Antibes or Inland from Antibes instead (or even Sophia Antipolis) (WT-en) DD

Would Daytrips from Antibes cover it? Or is it really somewhere people stay the night/week? Behind Antibes sounds like something naughty ;-) (WT-en) Majnoona

All of the destinations in the Inland section would be daytrips but not just from Antibes - the area is so small that in good traffic it takes about half an hour to go from any of Cannes, Antibes, Nice to Grasse, Valbonne, Vence etc. and even St Paul de Vence has little to keep you interested after a couple of hours. (WT-en) DD

What about just including it in the French Riviera section? I think the area does include quite a bit of inland stuff. (WT-en) Majnoona

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About  http://www.best-hotels-in-eragny.com/, i am the site owner and would like to tell you that there is no copyright on the content of my site. regards
 * Hi. The link still may not meet the external links policy.  In short, wikivoyage should contain the guide information, and provide a direct link to the accommodation provider.  Not a link to a guide, or to a hotel consolidator.  --(WT-en) Inas 05:32, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

 * Ines, this is the accomodation provider, it is just not possible yet to book through our websites because the option is not on yet. those hotels don't have their own websites because they are part of best-hotels-in-eragny

 * After looking through that website, I agree with Inas, that link won't fly. Provide a neutral description of the hotels, and phone numbers for booking, and leave out the link. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 07:18, 19 March 2009 (EDT)

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No eateries?
You've got to be kidding. Of all the best places to eat in Valdosta, 7 of them are chain restaurants?! (Sonny's, Red Lobster, Applebees', Hooter's, Cracker Barrel, IHOP, and Outback)

Either food in Valdosta really sucks, or no one's done much research on the city. --(WT-en) BigPeteB 14:25, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
 * Having lived in Valdosta for way longer than I would like, it's really more of the former. Tho in the past there were some good stand out independant locations, I really don't know how many are still around.  I suppose next time I am up there (Late January) I can look around and see if I can add anything to this article.  But Valdosta really tends to just be a sleep over city for folks travelling south on I-75 into Florida.

Listings
I've glad to see more content in this article. However, do others feel that chain restaurant listings and listings for chain supermarkets are important to include, or should some or all be deleted? I really don't think we want to recommend places like Applebee's to visitors. Instead, they're probably most likely to be interested in independent eateries that cook good down-home Southern food. Also, does Valdosta State University offer any short courses (~2 weeks or less) for non-matriculated students? If not, it can be mentioned but shouldn't be given a "Learn" section. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:30, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * If someone is going to remove chain restaurants from this article, then someone should write some kind of script to remove chain restaurants from all articles on WikiVoyage. I don't think we are "recommending" any of these restaurants, they do not come with a seal of approval or health scores.  Valdosta State University has learning in retirement classes as well as other non-traditional classes.  --Mjrmtg (talk) 12:37, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It's too drastic to always prohibit chain restaurant listings, and it wouldn't be easy to write a script removing them all, in any case, but please read Boring. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:06, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've listified Valdosta State, but you still didn't answer whether they offer any courses that last around 2 weeks or less. Do they? Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:33, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Valencia

I've moved this from Valencia (City) so that the disambiguator matches our Project:article naming conventions. --(WT-en) Evan 11:11, 28 Nov 2005 (EST)

Consistency in use of Spanish or Valencià
The Eat section says, 'Try horchata a drink made from "xufa"'. Horchata is the Spanish spelling, and xufa is the Valencià spelling, so it's inconsistent. Is there a wiki convention on labelling things in two languages? Something like 'Try horchata (Val: orxata), a drink made from "chufa" (Val: xufa)'.

Fallas text
It looks like the Fallas festival text might be a copyvio from here, among a few other places - or it could be the reverse, where they've simply stolen our text. (The other sites look a bit spam-ish.) I've left it alone for now — what do you think? (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 17:12, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
 * Now, 6 years later, it still looks like it's either copyvio or has been stolen by other sites. I think it should be edited, probably in part by summarizing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:04, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

 * I agree that this text should be completely rewritten. I'd been planning to rewrite it after I experience the festival next spring as I'm not entirely comfortable writing about something I've not seen myself, but I'll add it to my list of things to do here when I have a bit more time… unless of course someone else gets to it first. –StellarD (talk) 19:21, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Minor edits un the Understand section
I considered it was necessary to change/add a few things, since it seems that the article was written by someone who is not strongly related to the city.

The idea of Valencia living back to the sea is much weaker than it used to be, after important infrastructures mentioned in my contribution, such as the esplanade, the marina and the tram to the beach neighborhoods.

The climate subsection had inconsistencies. If you talk about average temperatures, you can't say they move from 35 to 40°C. You're definitely talking about absolute maximum temperatures. Having said that, the 40°C barrier is rarely reached so near the sea, which softens the weather. Another thing that surprised me was this text in the fall (autumn) description saying that sidewalk cafes are open until the end of October. That's not true. Sidewalk cafes/terraces use to work all throughout the year in Valencia, except for the occasional rainy or really cold days.

Here's a table taken from the Spanish Wikipedia about the weather in Valencia. The source is the Agencia Estatal de Meteorología:

Observatorio de la Ciudad de Valencia

Altitud (m): 11; Latitud: 39 28 48; Longitud: 0 22 52; Fuente: Agencia Estatal de Meteorología

--Luismartin (talk) 12:16, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Yes, the estimates were definitely on the high side. Feel free to plunge forward and fix any mistakes you see. Globe-trotter (talk) 13:51, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Hot springs
It is necessary to name these hot springs. They maybe are the Montanejos Springs, but these are irrelevant to indicate here, since this page refers to a wikivoyage to an important city and not to the mountain landscapes. It would be different if hot springs would be located in the city itself, as it happens in the city of Orense (Northwest Spain) Fev (talk) 00:03, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

 * This listing should indeed be named and moved, either to Go next and/or to Valencia (region). –StellarD (talk) 16:23, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Two requests
For someone who knows, please enter some information under...

- "Get in" for cruise arrivals...at least for one-day visits, e.g., where docked, perhaps public transport nearby.

- "Get around"...perhaps under the "Bus" sub-section...information about any hop-on/hop-off bus(es) that may operate in and about the city.

 * Appreciate the support, Hennejohn (talk) 18:38, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Hi Hennejohn, there is indeed a hop-on/hop-off bus that stops by the port area; I can add that information when I have a bit more time, probably sometime later today or tomorrow. I do not know the exact location where cruise ships dock – it's presumably not too far from the ferry terminals. Assuming you will be personally visiting Valencia on a cruise, it would be great if you could note the GPS coordinates and add that information to the map, or note that information here and someone else will place it on the map.
 * Cheers, StellarD (talk) 10:53, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

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Check out WikiPedia:Valencia, Santa Clarita, California. This seems to be some sort of Very Special issue seen frequently in Southern California: places wih names that make them appear to be cities, but they are actually just a section of an incorporated city. Besides the three parts of Santa Clarita, a bunch of locales within the City of Los Angeles pretend to be stand alone cities too. Argh. I guess for the traveller, it makes a lot of sense to follow this convention, but I'm concerned that without clear borders on these pseudocities there will eventually be regionlike ambiguity over which article a particular listing belongs in. That's kinda why I ran away from the problem when injecting California hotel entries. If you check out User:(WT-en) Cjensen/project/hotelmaker/California and look for listings whose articles have not yet been created, about 60% of them are for pseudocities. -- (WT-en) Colin 22:14, 12 November 2006 (EST)

 * I think from a travel perspective it makes sense to give these places their own articles - Studio City and Sherman Oaks are officially bastard stepchildren under the custody of LA, but having lived in Studio City and talked to lots of people in the area, it's treated as a separate entity, with its own mailing address. As you've pointed out, Valencia seems to be the same thing - my brother lives there, and I've never heard him or anyone else in the LA area refer to it as anything other than "Valencia".  As to defining borders, the mailing address should be useful - addresses should be "Valencia, CA", not "Santa Clarita, CA". I don't feel overly strongly about this one, but at the same point I don't want to try to create an odd hierarchy just because a clerk in some government office does it that way. -- (WT-en) Ryan 22:43, 12 November 2006 (EST)

 * Wow, that's the first I'd heard of it, but it seems to be true... I think most everyone treats Valencia as a city, few would know it as a district of Santa Clarita – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 14:26, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Valladolid (Mexico)

Cenote Zací
I remember paying a small fee to walk there when I was visiting the city in 2002. The area is gated, but you can see it from the road. During what hours is it open and what does it cost? (WT-en) HLM 15:35, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

Oriente and Mayab buses
In the 'Get In' section it says that Oriente and Mayab buses depart to Merida, El Piste, Chichen Itza and Tiziman from both the Terminal and the old bus station.

Is that correct? Flightnavigator (talk) 19:55, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Valles Calchaquíes

The name of this article should be changed to Valles Calchaquíes. It's a minor detail, but I've noticed that the link from the Salta page doesn't work after I've added the accent, which is however essential for correct pronunciation. How can I change the name myself?

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Talk:Valles Caldera National Preserve

History - Inaccurate statement
I noticed while reading the history section that the first sentence says "The Valles Caldera has had an unusual history that has given it a unique position among United States national parks." Please note that the Valles Caldera is not a national park, it is a national preserve (yes, there is a difference).

 * If you see a problem, our philosophy is to just fix it yourself! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:21, 20 November 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Valletta

Still got to get all the addresses and contact details together... —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) PeterW (talk • contribs) 25 Jan 2006

It seems that many edits have been made where someone was critical of something, this is not constructive as Wikivoyage is not there to simply promote places like many commercially driven travel info sites do. I can understand that locals are defensive of their city/ country but keep in mind that you would also appreciate honest balanced information when visiting elsewhere abroad. Also be sure of your spelling when you correct something: it's souvenir shop, not souvenire shop. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 193.67.113.2 (talk • contribs) 19 Dec 2006

See
"The Malta Experience...is strong on myth and less so on fact." Could you specify what part is mythical, as in not true in the information they present? Admittedly the information is not presented as the CIA world factbook would do so, but that's the whole point, it's supposed to be an enjoyable introduction into Maltese history. Again this recommendation is for visitors to the country, not for people who've been here all their lives. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 193.67.113.2 (talk • contribs) 19 Dec 2006

Get around
If you know all the alleys and which roads are one way and in which direction going around Valletta by car is an option. If you're a visitor unfamiliar with the place it is actually quite a difficult place to find your way around in by car. It is a pedestrian city, plainly speaking. It is a walled peninsula built in the 1500's and it's infrastructure is by definition not built for easy exploring by car. That is why I said that going on foot is ideal. 193.67.113.2 07:13, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Stay Safe
I stand by my point that Valletta is deserted at night outside of Republic street. Once again I can understand that locals want to be positive about their city/country, but biased editing on the subject of safety I find irresponsible.193.67.113.2 07:42, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Status
I am really not sure this is a guide... Some sections contain barely any listings and there is a severe lack of geo coordinates... I realize Valletta (at least in its official boundaries) is a rather small city, but still... Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:20, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Valley City (North Dakota)

Comments
A little selectivity would be nice. That's the idea of a travel guide. (WT-en) OldPine 16:37, 29 October 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Valley Forge

Is this really a Destination?
Not to be a curmudgeon, but I have my doubts as to whether this park should have a page of its own. As far as I can tell, you can't sleep there, and it's not suitable for an extended stay on the margins. Wouldn't we be better off treating this as an attraction for the town of Valley Forge and concentrating on making the latter page? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:16, 15 October 2006 (EDT)

 * I should have done my homework. I'm not convinced that this is a destination either.  It appears that the "town" is one of those non-villages that have been troublesome elsewhere in the eastern US (check out what OldPine went through trying to make Cape Cod make sense).  The "real" town most closely associated with the park seems to be King of Prussia, or maybe the park is just an attraction in the Philadelphia area.  Can someone who knows this place make the article sensible? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 15:08, 15 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Yeah, I'm quite sure from looking at this article that it would make sense to merge & redirect to King of Prussia. Virtually every single listing on the page is for that town.  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:13, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Valmiki Ashram

It might be technically part of Chitwan Park but it is always accessed by the pujaris and tourists by boat from across the river at Tribeni or from a wade across a small river from India (river name??)

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Talk:Valparaíso

Disambiguation
Shall we follow the lead of Wikivoyage and set this up with and create a Valparaiso (disambiguation) page? (WT-en) OldPine 16:23, 7 November 2006 (EST)

 * Uh... aren't we Wikivoyage? Anyways, yes, I think we should do this. --(WT-en) Evan 16:31, 7 November 2006 (EST)

 * Bah... and so we are. I meant Wikipedia, of course... our less-distinguished cousin. (WT-en) OldPine 16:38, 7 November 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Vama Veche

Everything in that article is nice and true, but very far off the point!

'Buy' section
When someone is in the area, or finds enough information, a buy section would be very good, there are some interesting stores here like a store selling hippie-style clothes and a record store. 109.98.122.138 15:51, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:Vama Veche