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Talk:Semarang

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Can someone translate this article about public transport:

http://petunjukku.blogspot.com/ —The preceding comment was added by 210.210.145.9 (talk • contribs) 15:31, 2 October 2006

Is this still needed? The data seems a bit outdated. Let us know. Thanks. Sandy. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Sandypurwo (talk • contribs) 03:43, 4 April 2011

Regency vs City
There is also an article about the Semarang (regency). I am not sure if these two articles should be merged, or if the regency is something different, such as a region that contains the city. -- (WT-en) Huttite 06:38, 15 December 2009 (EST)

Done... the regency page is redirected to the one article titled "Semarang". —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Sandypurwo (talk • contribs) 16:48, 3 April 2011
 * Re-redirected to Semarang Metropolitan Area as both of them are not the same thing.Veracious (talk) 07:21, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Revising
Felix suggested that this article needs a good deal of help and asked if I'd be willing to take a stab at it since I lived there for 6 years in Jatingaleh. I think I'll first try to go through and clean it up, then go through again and make it more substantial by adding more meat to it. I hope that if you find something objectionable, you will please first raise it with me here in talk rather than reverting it as I find that most rude, and I have no desire to get into an edit war with someone - discussion is slower but more productive. My knowledge is not exhaustive but I have consent from someone I met to make indirect use of his knowledge posted on another site to improve things here, and he has written extensively on touring Semarang. ReveurGAM (talk) 14:49, 22 February 2013 (UTC) The edit of the posh food choices attributed to the 114. IP is mine. I didn't realize I wasn't logged in.ReveurGAM (talk) 18:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Getting Around and transportation in general
I have made some revision in the getting around section, especially regarding bus routes. I have also added the bus information to the airport part (Get in/ by air) section. I have the feeling that the listing of bus routes might be unnecessary (the listing of places passed by the minibus routes most probably is). In other articles the get around section normally only give a brief description and then refers you to a map or the official transportation website or some journey planner for the exact routing and fares. However, in this case official websites does not exist so I'm not too sure whether the routes should be listed. I have a self-made map in progress, but it is not yet 100% finished. Another thing is with regards to the use of roman vs arabic numerals. Officially the bus uses roman numerals, the display boards will say 'Koridor IV', but I'm not sure which numeral should be used here. Feel free to edit accordingly Ditz (talk) 23:43, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest using what people will see. That's the best way to help them find the bus they want. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:17, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Buses changed to roman numeral. List of places where bus routes pass are pasted here as I don't think they belong to the 'Get around' section, probably to be pasted to relevant sections (e.g. Get in/by bus if it is about the local bus route to the bus terminal)

Some popular places in Semarang that can be reached by mini bus/bus are:

 * Pasar Johar, you need to board Daihatsu with the route Johar-Sampangan.

 * ADA Siliwangi Supermarket, you need to board Daihatsu with the route PRPP-Klipang

 * Tawang Train Station, Damri No.1 Terboyo-Banyumanik.

 * Poncol Station, Daihatsu Semarang-Salatiga.

 * Terboyo Bus Terminal, Damri No.1 or Damri No.2.

 * Undip (Diponegoro University), Damri No.1 or Damri No.5.

Airline route list
Is the airline route list really necessary? From what I see in other good pages normally less detail is provided, mostly just on the destinations served and the airlines operating on the airport only.

Further to that, there is no point keeping a super-detailed list as airline routes come and go so in my opinion it's better to outline the general destinations and link to respective airline websites with more up to date information. Ditz (talk) 20:00, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Ok. Here I tried rewriting the Get in- by plane section. Some sections of the 'airport walkthrough' might be excessive, as is the mentioning of flight connections available. List of destinations in table is deleted. I'm not very experienced yet at this so comments, reverts, further edits, etc are welcomed. Ditz (talk) 19:33, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

 * I agree with you on detailed lists of this kind. They're more information than any one traveler needs (and therefore encyclopedic), and schedules are subject to change at unpredictable intervals. I added 2 2nd-order subtitles and bolded the airport's name. I think the section is decent now. Thanks for helping! Semarang seems like an interesting place to visit, so it would be good to polish this article and make it a stronger guide, then nominate it for a front-page feature. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:35, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Boundaries between budget / mid-range / splurge accommodation
Is Rp 250k ($25 (or 20 these days) USD) and Rp 500k ($50 USD) a good benchmark to follow? I note that Jakarta uses Rp 500k and Rp 1 million, but Semarang is in general a cheaper city. Ditz (talk) 23:53, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Please feel free to set your own ranges for these categories, if no-one else has a view, but perhaps User:Gsarwa and/or User:Othello95, for example, may have some input. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:32, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

 * I do agree with User:Ikan Kekek idea. I do recognize that Jakarta's standard of living is different (more expensive) compared to other Indonesian cities. If you can see a trend of what is cheap and expensive to Semarang's standard, you can indicate your own range. Feel free to look at how different cities in a different country stack up for a reference (e.g.: Bangkok vs Chiang Mai in Thailand or London vs Manchester in the UK). Note: my example may not guarantee this context, only a quick cherrypicking. (User:Othello95)(talk)03:00, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

 * This is User:Ditz's idea. Let's give credit where it's due. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:26, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

 * OK, purely looking at Bangkok vs Chiang mai, the budget limit is about 1:2, so I'd think 250k and 500k should be good. So more or less, the maximum is 9 per listing category same as elsewhere, correct? Ditz (talk) 18:15, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Yes, as you said, more or less. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:49, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

 * OK. Have added some budget accommodation options which were previously lacking. Added with some spread, some hotels in the street with cheap hotel clusters, some in the city centre, one interesting chinese-style in the Chinatown, one old hotel in the old dutch town, one near the bus terminal, one in the 'upper' hilly part of the city. You get the idea... if I put all similar hotel along the same street maybe won't be that beneficial. I guess the ranges I'll just put later once I got the time to see that other than 'Budget' the hotels listed more or less belong to the correct section. Ditz (talk) 01:05, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

 * To set category budget, mid-range and splurge accomodations now become more difficult mainly for boundary between budget with mid-range, because today many hoteliers make many budget hotels, the price is between budget and (low) mid-range. One budget hotel even can categorized both, if someone not use any aircon and also the towel and the amenities (all are optional), it should be categorized as budget hotel, but if someone use 24 hours aircon, towel and the amenities, sometimes the price is in mid-range category, although the budget accomodation category have more weight than the mid-range hotel category. And 2 stars hotel usually is categorized as budget hotel, but some 2 stars hotels are boutique hotels with price very very high. So, I think to categorized accomodation should be in domestic price bracket, but can be translated to foreign or dollar value, because some currencies are fluctuating. Myself usually categorized hotel (whatever kinds of hotels) as a budget hotel, if the price is same or lower with many 2 stars hotels, 3 stars and 3+ stars as mid-range, and 4 and 5 stars hotels as splurge, but please consider that 4 stars hotel can be categorized as mid-range accomodation, if the price is relatively same with many 3 stars hotels. Infobox is important, because different area in a country has different price also.Gsarwa (talk) 10:58, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Yes I think it is important to have the infobox. I think mostly the benchmark price used is the cheapest double room in that particular accommodation, whether it is a fan room, air conditioned room or otherwise. Mostly I think if I look at this section of the article I just want somewhere decent and basic to sleep for a cheap price, whether the bathroom is outside or it is a fan room is OK. It's true that if a room upgrade to a higher grade is needed then for some places the price will bring it over the budget category. But if the hotel offers the possibility to stay at several different price levels, I am more inclined to consider the lower range as a base for consideration. Ditz (talk) 15:46, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Listing - 'go' category vs general 'other listing'
For things in the get in section (stations, terminals, airports, ports, etc), which kind of listing is appropriate, using the 'go' listing (saw this on a star article although not an option at the editor)- maroon red icon, or the general 'other listing' - green icon? Or no listing at all even? Slightly confused about this. Sorry if this should've gone to the pub instead Ditz (talk) 18:35, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know the listing types of which you speak, but in general, if listings don't fit into the "See," "Do," "Buy," "Eat," "Drink" or "Sleep" categories, they are given general "Listings" tags. You can produce a "listings" template by clicking the "i" icon that's the furthest right in the group of icons you see above your edit window. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:37, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * See for example in the Get In section of Albuquerque. Formatting like this: The depot is at the The marker colour is green for general listing, but maroon red for 'go'. I'm kind of just aping some star article so forgive me if it confuses peopleDitz (talk) 23:01, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's the "marker" template. I haven't used it, but it can be useful in situations in which a full templated listing isn't needed. I don't know enough to care about what kind of "marker" color is used. I'd say, just put in the code, and then if someone wants to change it, they can. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:12, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Featured article?
What does this article need to be featured at Dotm? /Yvwv (talk) 20:27, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * As with other articles where you've added this question, many of the listings are out of date. Ground Zero (talk) 16:19, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

 * @Yvwv The clarity is a bit chaotic. Veracious (talk) 07:09, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Semarang (regency)

Comments
This article should be merged with Semarang until such time as there is distinguishing content for the regency, in addition to the city. -- (WT-en) Huttite 06:35, 15 December 2009 (EST)

 * Agreed. And done. As yet there is no need to further regionalise Central Java. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 04:56, 12 April 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Seminyak

Culling the huge Seminyak Sleep Section
I am having a first go at this concentrating on the obviously spammy and those I know to be a little different from the description given here. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:03, 25 September 2009 (EDT)

Grace's Villa
To the anonymous user who keeps re-adding Grace's Villa. Wikivoyage policy on long lists of accommodation is here, please read it. It is not me who decides if there are enough, rather policy. If you disagree with the policy, please take it up on that policy talk page. As for deciding which are included and which are not, the policy has some guidelines which you should read. There will also be a little subjective input also for an article like Seminyak. I use my own knowledge and judgement, public profile, recommendations from others and publicly available accommodation ratings, in addition to the policy guidelines. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:39, 9 January 2010 (EST)

"KU DE TA" photo
I don't think the photo itself is that interesting, and it's certainly promotional, given its title. Would anyone object if I deleted it? (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 05:33, 27 April 2012 (EDT)

 * No-one has made any comment, so I deleted the link to the commercial image. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 01:32, 22 June 2012 (EDT)
 * Sorry I missed that earlier. I agree, the photo has little merit toward informing the article and appears to only serve a commercial purpose, best it is deleted and additionally no one has come forward with any comment on it. -- (WT-en) felix 02:42, 23 June 2012 (EDT)

Deletion of listings
An anonymous user User:162.210.196.164 made a mass deletion of listings on February 12th. They were quickly reverted, however best be aware of this in case something like this happens again. Andrewssi2 (talk) 10:12, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

"Sleep" listings
I think these need thorough copy editing, probably more detouting, and alphabetization, but the other thing I'm concerned about is listings that aren't actually in Seminyak. At some point, we need to go through these listings with a fine-toothed comb and make sure there aren't duplicate listings in other articles, and if not, move them there as appropriate. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:32, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

 * I copy edited through "Splurge", but there's a long "Private villas" section. Some villas are in "Mid-range" and "Splurge"; I don't understand the reason for this separate category, but even if we keep it separate, it needs work. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:57, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Senaru

Hijacking issues
There seems to be an ongoing campaign to hijack the Rinjani Trekking Club name and goodwill. Please see hijacking notes on the Rinjani page in this regard. The Rinjani Trekking Club Lodge listing has been removed as it appears to mislead the reader.
 * It gives the impression accomodation is being offered in a 'Lodge' run by the established Rinjani Trekking Club whose details may be found at < http://www.info2lombok.com/>. The details of the 'alternative' Rinjani Trekking Club are found at  They also make mention of Segara Anak Lodges and "Since Mt. Rinjani became a major tourist destination in Lombok, Rinjani Trekking Club grew bigger and now based in Segara Anak Travel Lodge of Senaru under Mr. Harry Al-Kayi as Trekking Organizer." See also  It appears the Eco-lodge accommodation being offered is actually situated at Meninting just north of the airport at Ampenan and somewhat distant to both Senaru and Rinjani. This may mislead the reader into believing they are being offered eco-lodge accommodation at Mt. Rinjani.

 * The removed listing directed to a website that simply resells other accom providers (Pondok Indah Hotel and Pondok Senaru) rather than actually providing a "lodge" as described. The website also makes other misleading statements such as "We are the only Rinjani Trekking club in Senaru-Lombok. It's established in 1989 with 10 member (Porter and Trekking Guide) and now with member over 100 Porter and Trekking Guide. If there other website who advertise for Rinjani, Most of them are going through us for an arrangements."

For these reasons above and in the interests of both clarity and accuracy this conflicting and confusing listing has now been removed.

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Talk:Sendai

So, this page is progressing very nicely. It might be worthwhile looking at the large city article template for ideas on how to do the sections, and at other parts of the manual of style. But it's very informative and an interesting read! --(WT-en) Evan 01:53, 4 Apr 2004 (EST)

Phone Number Format
What would be the correct phone number format for this article? Would it be +81 22 555 5555 ( +81 22 555 5555), with the local dial being 555 5555? Also, with dash; (555-5555) or without dash; (555 5555)? --(WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 08:03, 30 March 2006 (EST)

 * Yes, that's correct. I like dashes so the number stays together and is thus automatically recognizable. (WT-en) Jpatokal 20:14, 30 March 2006 (EST)

 * There are templates that should be used for hotels, restaurants, bars, and such. When those templates are used, which should be most of the time, I think we can omit italics. -(WT-en) Orcrist 23:12, 31 October 2010 (EDT)

The purpose of "Learning"
The "Learning" section has entries on meditation and learning Japanese. For travelers, the former might be of interest if it can be done as a one-time thing, but most likely the latter is not useful. Can it be removed? -(WT-en) Orcrist 23:16, 31 October 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Senegal

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Senegal/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.

So I just moved all this info from Project:Plunge forward. Now it needs to be split out into city templates, at least for the areas like Dakar that have subsections, other intro info can prolly stay on this page until/less someone has more to add (WT-en) Majnoona 01:55, 28 Jan 2004 (EST)

5yo cars
is it true that cars need to be newer then five years old to enter senegal? if you can confirm this, please put in get in-section.

food
"Avoid cooked food prepared by the road, these often cause diarrhea. " have people really gotten sick by eating the street food? often? maybe i just have a strong stomach, but i ate street food all the time and never had any problems.(WT-en) I remember Black Star North 13:36, 24 February 2009 (EST)

 * It's a pretty universal advice for travelling in developing countries. My own conviction tells me travellers who visit such regions regularly become battle hardened, and less prone to such diseases, but it's a sturdy advice non the less. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 15:16, 24 February 2009 (EST)

Regions

I propose these regions:
 * Cap-Vert Peninsula (Dakar and Thiel Region)
 * Casamance (Ziguinchor Region, Sedhiou Region, and Kolda Region)
 * Tambacaounda Region (Tambacaounda and Kedougou)
 * Northern Senegal (Saint-Louis Region, Matam Region, Louga Region)

For the others, I think it would be nice to group Diourbel Region, Kaffrine Region, Kaolock Region, and Fatick Region to make... Central Senegal?

I think Casamance and Tambacaounda are quite solid regions. I don't think Senegal needs more than 6 total regions, though. Feel free to propose something else, if there are better ideas. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 00:19, 22 January 2010 (EST)

 * Looks good to me. (WT-en) AHeneen 12:04, 22 January 2010 (EST)

 * I've posted the map with the proposed regions. I think the regions look fine but let me know if there are any comments and then I'll finalize it (I need to fix that road the goes to nowhere in Guinea). (WT-en) Shaund 01:22, 3 March 2010 (EST)

 * Looks excellent Shaun. The road to nowhere goes to Kedougou, see here :) --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:36, 3 March 2010 (EST)

 * Yeah, It looks great! The maps created from this expedition are all quite nice! Good job to all of you! (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 00:53, 16 March 2010 (EDT)

Music/culture/theatre ?
Is there no information on these ?Tumadoireacht (talk) 01:35, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Please add some. Wikivoyage is the travel guide that you can edit. Ground Zero (talk) 01:59, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Senggigi

(WT-en) felix 15:22, 12 October 2009 (EDT)The prices and contact details for 'eat' and 'sleep' are still needing thorough update. No doubt some prices have gone up in the last few years, maybe not. Those who frequent the senggigi entertainment strip more often may like to update this.

the following section has been edited for clarity-but remains available in the history string:

Desa Senggigi itself only runs along the coast between the hilltop where it meets Batu Bolong and through to the hill at the northern end of Mangsit.

This following information is for purposes of reference only (as opposed to a structure for the page):
 * Senggigi is a township (Dusun)
 * Senggigi is also a Municipality (Desa)

Senggigi district is actually properly defined as: (Negara)-Indonesia > (Provinsi) Nusa Tenggara Barat > (Kabupaten) Lombok Barat > Kecamatan) Batu Layar > (Desa) Senggigi

And it incorporates:
 * 1, (Negara)-Indonesia > (Provinsi) Nusa Tenggara Barat > (Kabupaten) Lombok Barat > Kecamatan) Batu Layar > (Desa) Senggigi > (Dusun) Senggigi
 * 2. (Negara)-Indonesia > (Provinsi) Nusa Tenggara Barat > (Kabupaten) Lombok Barat > Kecamatan) Batu Layar > (Desa) Senggigi > (Dusun) Kerungdangan
 * 3. (Negara)-Indonesia > (Provinsi) Nusa Tenggara Barat > (Kabupaten) Lombok Barat > Kecamatan) Batu Layar > (Desa) Senggigi > (Dusun) Mangsit

In building a more meaningful and enduring purpose to this page it would be good if the meaning of "Senggigi Area" was to be defined. It is neither informing nor productive to include areas to the north such as Bangsel, Pemenang, the 3 Gillli Islands, Sira, Medana and Tangung all into "Senggigi Area" as seemed to be happening until recently. Those areas to the north have a different point on the compass for a start but they are also within a different Kabutan and Kecamatan. Also the area in the north is marketed quite differently and has a very different focus and a different language dialect and subtly diffferent customs and traditions.

The new Kabupaten of Lombok UTARA is also soon to have it's own tourism marketing office and development program.

Hotels and some entertainment establishments lying between Montong and Batu Bolong are descibed as in "Senggigi" when technically they are not at all. It should be noted that Jayakarta Lombok (situated in Montong and close to Batu Layar) describe themselves as Mataram, Lombok as far as their website is concerned anyway.

This is why pragmatically the Senggigi Area may need to remain as a broader collective area but is must be at least limited to Montong thru to Mangsit at the maximun otherwise it is just gets silly, and confusing.

There is a large steel and concrete sign bridging the roadway at Montong near the Sandik turnoff. To many visitors that announces the Senggigi area although Senggigi is really still a few kilometres away. The hotel/accommodation facilities do not really start until up toward Batu Layar but the sign looks pretty permanent. No wonder tourists get lost on a coastline with hills on one side and sea on the other. If a tourist asks to go to Senggigi or how to get there they will be directed to the township of Senggigi, not Mangsit, Montong and certainly not Medana.

So the "Senggigi Area" may need to be very broadly considered as the following 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 as indicated below even though 1, 2 and 3 are technically in Batu Layar and not in Senggigi at all.

 * 1. Montong
 * 2. Batu Layar
 * 3. Batu Bolong
 * 4. Senggigi (township)
 * 5. Kerangdangan
 * 6. Mangsit

Possibly the solution is to consider that Senggigi page is to cover the area of the Desa of Senggigi, that is Senggigi, (township), Kerangdangan and Mangsit. Montong, Batu Layar and Batu Bolong then need to be encompassed in a wider definition of "Senggigi" as they are sometimes marketed as that especially by the travel aggregators. Maybe "Senggigi South (Batu Layar)" or something similar. "Batu Layar" is technically correct.

It would be good to make a serious effort to make sure that Bulan Baru in Setangi does not get orphaned. When Elbano in Setangi or Nusa Bunga or any one else opens then maybe Kelui-Setangi justifies having it's own basic page with all the obvious links to keep them connected to the Senggigi Area and also the northern destinations.

Nusa Bunga in Kelui is currently undergoing massive renovation and re-construction and is apparently under new Abu Dhabi ownership. Kelui through to Malimbu is a very quiet area though with not a lot going on so it may be difficult to realistically do a page just for Kelui, Setangi even if it were to incorporate a few more bays further to the north maybe up to and including Malimbu. The road through Malimbu is soon to open through to the inland Pemenang-Ampenan route making that a viable shortcut and short scenic drive link. The beaches each of these bays have their own individual character though and that strip is certainly now a recognised and trafficable scenic route and is sometimes quite busy. It is also the site of the Lombok Triathlon bike race. Not quite Lombok Riviera though. edited: (WT-en) felix 00:53, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

 * The old Nusa Bunga property has been completely revamped with new accommodations and re-branded Jeeva Klui (sic) Resort. It is advertising an opening date of August. They seem to be pitching at the qunci villa boutique resort style market.

Moved discussion about Lombok regional structure
To the Lombok talk page. Please continue this discussion there. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:27, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

Good idea I thought same but thought I would let things settle down a bit first (WT-en) felix 00:37, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

Blacklisting Sheraton Senggigi
Today i blacklisted the Sheraton due to the continous violations of our policies by them. Burmesedays warned them and i left notes on their talk pages too. Please revert the sunset bar of the hotel and the main listing on the spot until they commit to our policies. (WT-en) jan 03:44, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

The Beach Club closed down
We tried to walk in to check for a room as an employee told us that "The Beach Club" closed down a couple of days ago. In the talk we got to know that the landlord didnt want to extend the lease and they had to close down. All the equipment and furniture gets moved to a place on Gili Air. As the plans for the buildings and the place itself won't the same anymore I thought its about time to remove this dead entry.

http://thelombokguide.com/current_issue_full.html#THE_BEACH_CLUB_SENGGIGI%E2%80%A6The_End_of_an_Era

--Spekulatius2410 (talk) 06:52, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Senmonorom

Comments
I think that Sen Monorom should be linked through Mondulkiri, rather than just directly linked to Eastern Cambodia, as this will provide a growth path and not restrict future contributors. - (WT-en) Huttite 10:31, 3 January 2010 (EST)

 * Per Talk:Eastern Cambodia, I don't think so, I much rather see a further breakup only when there is an actual need for it. Regions never receive much attention from contributors. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 10:44, 3 January 2010 (EST)

Nomenclature
Wikipedia uses Senmonorom, but the town is called Sen Monorom throughout the article. Which name is used more? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:41, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Seoul

Incheon Airport
I believe that Incheon airport is of a significant size, and like Singapore Changi Airport deserves its own page. Please comment here if you disagree. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 08:48, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I understand that the page for Yeongjong Island was considered the source for Incheon airport, however I believe it is more logical for the airport to have its own separate entry. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:01, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Defining City Borders
There is a note on the front page for this. Is anybody watching this since the wikitravel migration? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 14:08, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The district discussion tag was added nine months ago by Globe-Trotter . But the last comment here concerning the districts of Seoul was posted in 2010, so there's hardly any "discussion" going on. Besides Seoul is already divided into districts. I'll remove the tag. Ypsilon (talk) 19:47, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * One thing that needs to be done, though, is to move specific sights, restaurants and such from this article into the appropriate districts. To do that one should preferably be familiar with the destination, so could you Andrewssi2 maybe consider the task? Ypsilon (talk) 20:27, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I have some knowledge of Seoul (having lived there for a month), so I could try and give this a go. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 12:59, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Seoul might be divided into some districts, but its division does not encompass the entire city. We don't have a lot of people here familiar with the city, so if you could draw up a district division that would be great. Globe-trotter (talk) 03:36, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Seoul definitely needs a cleanup! There are 9 districts defined, of which 6 have articles. I will proceed to move listings down into them. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:38, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Count me in as someone who's interested in cleaning up and writing more stuff about Seoul. I read this way back when it was still a single article and thought it was excellent but sorely needed districts and a map. The districts do need to cover the whole city, though I don't have any good ideas about that. Your work has been great, and if Ypsilon joins in that would be cool. -- torty3 (talk) 01:10, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Great! I think Seoul (like Busan) may need a combination of distinct districts and general areas. Gangnam definitely is district that should have its own article, although the south Western part of the city probably should have a combined article. I'll also start looking at creating maps.

 * As per Busan, I will create a 'first cut' of regions here on the talk page to be improved over the next few days. Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:47, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Looks good at a first glance. ϒpsilon (talk) 13:34, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I like it. It's usually the outer districts that are pesky, what happens to the southern districts like Dongjak-gu and Gwanak-gu? -- torty3 (talk) 11:18, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Yes, the list below doesn't cover every single official district of Seoul, however the missing ones do not exactly have a lot going for them. (for the most part simply apartment blocks). Is it OK to go with the list below and add the others as and when they become relevant? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:06, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, I get what you're saying. I'm trying to remember where the fish market I visited is - looks like Dongjak-gu? For the core six that's pretty much set and anything is better than what the article is now. -- torty3 (talk)

 * Good catch! I've been there many times but for some reason I had thought it was on the north side. Anyway yes it should be in Dongjak, and I think an article for 'South Seoul' covering DongJak, Gwanak and Seocho is needed. Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:26, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Also I think two sections of Regions (See Beijing for an example of multiple regions) would suit Seoul better. this would be North and South of the Han River:

Why not? The district list is already divided into two sections like that. On the other hand, seven districts aren't that many (London's district list could use a little organizing...). When it comes to the "South", "West" and "North" articles, I think we could go ahead and create them too, even if they wouldn't have much content as for now. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:12, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Wow, London is complicated! Also, conceptually London and Seoul are similar in that both a split in the middle, east to west, by a major river as well as being of a somewhat similar size. How does the update above look? Andrewssi2 (talk) 12:25, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I think it looks quite good. Anyone volunteering to draw the map? ϒpsilon (talk) 13:30, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Just to be open about my process, I have now begun to move all individual listings from Seoul down to all the district articles that exist. This will leave a few listings that have no associated article, and that may better inform which remaining articles need to be created. Please bear with me, it shouldn't take too long. Andrewssi2 (talk) 08:37, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Although not an expert cartographer, I have some map experience. Check out Busan, Haeundae and Lantau to see examples of my work. All I need to do is work out the transparency overlay to make up the individual districts. Andrewssi2 (talk) 08:37, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

 * It's OK, we're not in a hurry :). You probably know the city better and there will just be edit conflicts if many people edit the article at the same time.

 * A district map is a little bit different compared to the maps you've made; those are better for navigation. Meanwhile I can give the map a try. Basically I plan to use the current map as a base, color the districts according to the division above, make it more or less template compliant and perhaps add some roads. This will be my fifth map ever so it will probably be decent but not perfect (check out Helsinki's district maps made from scratch in a week with no Inkscape experience :P, plus Northern and Southern Finland from the Finland map). ϒpsilon (talk) 10:44, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I'm actually in China right now, which means I can't see most WikiMedia images and therefore can't comment. :( I'll be spending sometime outside the PRC next week so hopefully I can engage the map discussion then. Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:31, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

 * OK. I'm drawing the map now. Should we put Yeongdeungpo and Geumcheon in West or South? If West is short of content, I suggest putting them there (it’s easy to change it later if needed). ϒpsilon (talk) 12:38, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Ops, I think I'm late since you already started to draw the map but let me know if I can be of any assistance. --Saqib (talk) 13:00, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I'm thinking Yeongdeungpo needs it own article (being the 'Manhatten of Seoul'). Geumcheon should be South Seoul. Andrewssi2 (talk) 13:27, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Just looked at the Helsinki map (special method) and it looks great. Someone has done something similar with Shanghai. Andrewssi2 (talk) 13:40, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks Saqib for the help offer and Andrew for the compliment ^_^. I'll probably have the map finished in an hour or two. And if it looks too ugly, Saqib can download it from Commons and tidy it up. ϒpsilon (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

 * By the way, the colors in the region list are up to you. We can change to whatever looks good on the map. Andrewssi2 (talk) 14:17, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

 * And here's the map. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:00, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Great job! I've made some changes to map. --Saqib (talk) 16:25, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm Korean and live in Seoul now. It's already really well divided. Wonderful. So I hope to add some more infos. This is my suggestions. --거북이 (talk) 16:30, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Jongno (종로) : old city center
 * 2) Jung (중) : old city urban area
 * 3) Seodaemun-Mapo (서대문/마포) : univ and nightlife
 * 4) Yongsan (용산) + Yeongdeungpo : Yeongdeungpo and Yongsan is linked with subway line 1 and there are many related mood.
 * 5) Gangnam (강남) + Seocho (서초) : most rich people live in this two district.
 * 6) South : DongJak, Gwanak, Geumcheon : southern mountain area
 * 7) West : Gangseo, Yangcheon and Guro : bedtown
 * 8) North : Gangbuk, Dobong and Nowon, Eunpyeong : northern mountain area
 * 9) East : Songpa & Gangdon : bedtown

Yeah. 거북이's suggestion is basically right. But Gangdon should be Gangdong, as 강동. And some areas are missing; in North, it lacks Jungnang (중랑). I don't have much time to find out what's missing, but there are something missing. I also had lived in Seoul. Jytim (talk) 17:23, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks, Saqib. 거북이 and Jytim, "welcome on board". Let's wait for Andrewssi2's comment until we put the map on the article itself. I actually thought Gangdon without a g sounded a bit odd. As for now the North article includes a whole lot of districts: Eunpyeong, Seongbuk, Gangbuk, Dobong, Nowon, Jungnang, Dongdaemun, Seongdong, and Gwangjin. I'm not familiar with this part of the city, having been only to the more central "touristy" parts of the city. I'll change the map if Saqib didn't already. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:48, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * And, of course, let's also let Andrewssi2 have a look at Geobugi's suggestion for division. User:Torty3 is maybe also interested. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:05, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

 * OK great. I'm good with the suggestion that Gangnam + Seocho should go together and the districts in South, North, West and East look right.
 * I'm not so sure about putting Yeongdeungpo and Yongsan together however. Yongsan is to the north of the river and Yeongdeung is to the south which makes a big geographical separation in my mind. (i.e. you can't walk between them). Additionally Yongsan has a lot of content already.
 * Please see updates below and awaiting further comments :) Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:11, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

 * There is a really wide river between Yeongdeungpo and Yongsan but many buses and subway are there also. ^^ Noryangjin and Yongsan subway stations are right next in subway no.1. So the life style is related and similar Yeongdeungpo and Yongsan. And there are less contents in Yeongdeungpo and Yongsan I think. Just corrected suggestions. --거북이 (talk) 05:51, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks 거북이. My problem is just that the Han river is REALLY wide. Much wider than the Thames in London, the Seine river in Paris or the Huangpu river in Shanghai. In these cities the river does represent a distinct boundary. There may be great transport connections, however it still feels very strange to me. Can anyone else comment on this?

 * Also it isn't a big problem if Yeongdeungpo has a low amount of content. Yansan already has enough to be a standalone article. Andrewssi2 (talk) 08:35, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Sorry, but I can't find Yansan on the Seoul map? I remember the Han river almost as a narrow lake. It is wider than I thought - over a kilometer! Ten times wider than Seine, four times wider than Thames and even double the width of Daugava in Riga which is very wide. The Yongsan article looks quite OK already. If we have enough content to make a separate article for Yeongdeungpo it should absolutely also have its own article. I would say, let's create an article for Yeongdeungpo and if it's turns out really hard to find content for the article we could merge it with some neighboring district. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:50, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Apologies, I meant 'Yongsan' not 'Yansan'.

 * I didn't realize the Han was more than a kilometer wide! I think that in itself would constitute a separate destination for a traveler to the city, cultural similarities aside. I'm OK to create appropriate content for Yeongdeungpo. The close transport connections can be referred to in the respective 'Understand' sections. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 10:10, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

OK, but I don't recommend Yeongdeungpo for a one day trip. Hard to find travel contents. Yongsan is good for shopping or visiting museum. So I combined Yeongdeungpo and Guro. But still I don't want to recommend for visitors. :-) --거북이 (talk) 13:51, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Hi talk, thanks I am OK with your suggestion. Please bear in mind that creating an article for a city area is not the same as making a recommendation. For example, a foreigner might be visiting a friend in that area and wants to know what is around. One question: You say that the fish market is there, however the address I have is in Nodeul-ro, Dongjak-gu (동작구 노들로). Is this incorrect? Andrewssi2 (talk) 14:39, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * yes Nodeul-ro, Dongjak-gu. I thought it is Yeongdeungpo-gu, it's wrong. thanks for correcting. --거북이 (talk) 15:22, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

 * 1) Jongno (종로) : old city center
 * 2) Jung (중) : old city urban area
 * 3) Seodaemun-Mapo (서대문/마포) : univ and nightlife
 * 4) Yongsan (용산) : Electronics market, National Central Museum and Itaewon.
 * 5) Gangnam (강남) + Seocho (서초) : most rich people live in this two district.
 * 6) Yeongdeungpo + Guro : fish market, stock trading, venture company cluster.
 * 7) South : DongJak, Gwanak, Geumcheon : southern mountain area
 * 8) West : Gangseo, Yangcheon and Guro : bedtown
 * 9) North : Gangbuk, Dobong and Nowon, Eunpyeong : northern mountain area
 * 10) Songpa & Gangdon : bedtown
 * 11) East : Dongdaemun, Jungrang, Gwangjin, Seongdong : bedtown and some grand markets

OK updated the list below. Can you please verify?

Another WV question: When putting two districts together, should the page name convention be Songpa-Gangdong ? Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:38, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Don't know about any official WV standard for naming districts. In London's articles, when many districts are combined they seem to be written with a dash between. On the other hand "&" clearly states that it is two different (administrative) districts. Here, I think we should decide upon one standard; either "A and B", "A & B" or "A-B", otherwise things are going to look confusing. And let's decide upon the final names and colours before editing the map again. ϒpsilon (talk) 05:28, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I checked once again. Very fine~ --거북이 (talk) 07:57, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, we use format "A-B" because Seoul/Seodaemun-Mapo is already using it.
 * ϒpsilon please feel free to use this as the final list, and do adjust colors as you see fit. Thanks! Andrewssi2 (talk) 08:42, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

 * And now I've updated the map! ϒpsilon (talk) 16:23, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Looks awesome! Many thanks Ypsilon, let's put this up right away.
 * 아름다워요~(beautiful!) --거북이 (talk) 10:07, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

North of the River

 * Jongno (종로) – The Joseon-era historical core of the city, containing most palaces and government offices. This district, along with Jung (중) district immediately to the south of it, makes up one of the main centers of the city. Here you can find the most famous of the Five Grand Joseon Palaces, Gyeongbokgung, with a long avenue leading up to the main gate. To the east of Gyeongbokgung are clustered Changdeokgung and Changyeonggung, two more of the Five, and Jongmyo Shrine, the main Confucian shrine in the dynastic era. Sandwiched between these two areas is Bukchon, a quaint housing area filled with 'hanok', beautiful traditional Korean houses that also date back to the dynastic era. South of Bukchon is Insa-dong which is the largest antiques market street in Seoul, and further south is Cheongyecheon, a renovated stream and park that runs through the heart of the downtown area.

 * Jung (중) – This district makes up the other half of the historic core, with Cheongyecheon stream as its northern border. It holds some of the few remaining European-style government buildings left over from the Japanese era - the City Hall and the Bank of Korea, both in the west, centered around a large plaza often serves as a rallying point for protests and soccer games. Immediately to the southwest of the City Hall is Myeongdong, an large upscale shopping district that gets extremely busy at night and on weekends, and one of the top ten most expensive shopping districts in the world by rent. To the south of the City Hall is Namdaemun Market, another large shopping district that is decidedly cheaper than neighboring Myeongdong. Further south of Namdaemun is Seoul Station and Namsan Mountain, with the Seoul Tower at its summit. Finally, the eastern part holds Dongdaemun, an enormous fashion district with dozens of clothing malls, complexes, wholesalers, and department stores.

 * Seodaemun-Mapo (서대문/마포) – These two districts lie immediately west of Jongro and Jung, and contain dozens of universities and colleges. As such, this area is home to some of Seoul's most active nightlife districts: Hongdae (홍대) and Sinchon (신촌). Sinchon is close to Yonsei University, one of the most prestigious in Korea, and has hundreds of restaurants, bars, clubs, and stores that are open well into early morning, packed with throngs of students during the weekend. Hongdae is famous for being the center of Seoul's indie and underground arts scene – expect to see street performers, indie rock bands, graffiti, and independent stores. During the night, Hongdae really comes alive, even more crowded than Sinchon and absolutely enormous – it's easy to get lost inside this huge nightlife district, and has the second highest concentration of foreigners, after Itaewon.

 * Yongsan (용산) – Yongsan is home to the US Army Military Base as well as one of the largest electronics markets in the world, Yongsan Electronics Market. On the top floor of this market is a Starcraft Arena - and yes, computer-obsessed Korea does, in fact, regularly broadcast Starcraft matches on national television. This is also where you'll find Itaewon (이태원), perhaps the most culturally diverse area on the entire peninsula and home to dozens of restaurants featuring cuisine from the world over, numerous shops selling everything from custom-tailored suits to antiques, and several Western pubs and bars. Itaewon also has the only mosque in Korea, and as such there are a growing number of Middle Eastern and Pakistani immigrants. Talks are also finalizing on Yongsan International Business District, a $28.8 billion dollar project that when completed, will have a 665m centerpiece tower, the second tallest in the world.

South of the River

 * Gangnam (강남) – Gangnam is the glitzy center of modern Seoul, home to hundreds of glass and steel skyscrapers, neon billboards, and some of the most expensive real estate in the country. The core business district runs along Tehran-ro from Samseong Station to Gangnam Station. Gangnam station is the true center of Gangnam - with dozens of high rises, hundreds of restaurants and bars, and thousands upon thousands of neon signs lining Gangnam street, this area is not only a major commercial and nightlife center for young adults, it is Korea at its futuristic, digital, high-tech best. Samseong station at the other end of Tehran-ro is connected to COEX, a huge underground shopping mall with a movie theater, aquarium, hotels, food courts, and a Hyundai Department Store. To the north of this business district (but still in Gangnam) is Apgujeongdong and Cheongdamdong, some of the most affluent areas in Seoul, and home to hundreds of upscale luxury brands and department stores. And yes - this is the place the Korean artist PSY sings about in his hit "Gangnam style".

 * Songpa – a primarily residential district east of Gangnam where you'll find Lotte World, Olympic Park, Seoul (Jamsil) Sports Complex, and the Sincheon nightlife district. Lotte World is an unusual place - just a few bus stops away from COEX, it is yet another enormous shopping and entertainment complex, but with a twist: It holds one of the largest ice-skating rinks in Korea, and the largest indoor theme park in the world. Good for families with children, but be warned: on a rainy day, the shortest lines may be an hour or longer. Sincheon (신천, not to be confused with Sinchon, 신촌) is a large, crowded nightlife area, mainly populated by an older, local business crowd due to its location near Gangnam.

 * Gwanak (관악) – A residential area at the Southern end of Seoul, bordering Gwacheon with Gwanak Mountain in between, a favorite for local weekend hikers. It is also home to Seoul National University, one of the most prestigious universities in South Korea. Near Seoul National University is Nakseongdae Park where the famous Korean general Gang Gam-chan is said to have been born, which houses a traditional shrine to honor the Goryeo Dynasty hero. Despite the historical Korean architecture, it is more of a weekend outing place for locals rather than a glamorous tourist attraction.

 * Yeongdeungpo ((영등포-구)) – An island in the Han River and the closest Seoul gets to Manhattan with skyscrapers, the National Assembly and the Seoul Stock Exchange. Though it may seem attractive for tourists, in reality there isn't too much to do here, and the island gets pretty desolate during the weekends.

 * Yangcheon – a district of western Seoul with the Mok-dong area at its centre, home to some of the tallest residential buildings in Seoul, a large Hyundae department store and an ice rink.

Universities
The following content has been added by TheDog2 and removed by myself

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Seoul is home to many of South Korea's most prestigious universities, with admissions to any of the Top 3 listed below being extremely competitive. Korean high school students are often subject to immense pressure in their final year of high school to score well to gain admission to one of these.

 * Seoul National University (서울대학교, 서울大學校), . The undisputed number one university in Korea, the entrance exams for local students are fiendishly difficult, and admission is extremely competitive.

 * Yonsei University (연세대학교, 延世大學校), . One of the most prestigious private universities in Korea (unless you ask a Korea University student). The oldest university among Korea's Top 3.

 * Korea University (고려대학교, 高麗大學校), . The most prestigious private universities in Korea (unless you ask a Yonsei University student).

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I have removed because:

 * 1) There is no information in the text that is useful in any way for the visitor to Seoul
 * 2) Student visitors will also not be helped in any way with this very high level description.
 * 3) The 'Learn' section is for visitors who want to learn something during their visit, such as language or cookery. (Note that this could be at a university)

--Andrewssi2 (talk) 07:04, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

 * I do think that there will be people who wish to visit Seoul for an extended period and immerse themselves in modern Korean culture, and going there as an international or exchange student is one of the legal ways to do so. I believe that while we should not give a comprehensive listing of all universities in Seoul, given that it will be very cluttered, I think that at least the famous ones should be listed as this is useful information for potential international students. You do not need to be resident in Seoul to go to university there, and international students are officially considered to be long-term visitors, not residents. In fact, should you want to attend university in Seoul as an international student, you will need to apply from your home country, receive an admission offer, then apply for your visa in your home country before you go. This information will allow potential international students to have an idea of what universities are reputable, and thus make a more informed decision on which university to apply to. The dog2 (talk) 02:54, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

 * The contention that we should list Seoul universities because students will visit them will be a 'slippery slope' in WikiVoyage terms. Many international business people visit Seoul, therefore should we list the major companies and the business chambers of commerce? Ultimately Universities are not travel destinations in themselves.

 * However, would you consider putting this information on the South Korea page instead? The top three universities of Seoul are also the top three of Korea, and it is that Article where people would look for general information about the country rather Seoul where they are looking for specific things to do in the city? You could then link to the main page from the Seoul articles 'Learn' section? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:10, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

 * I still do think it warrants at least a brief mention. After all, they are located in Seoul. How about something like this:

 * "Seoul is home to many universities, including Seoul National University, Yonsei University and Korea University, the three most prestigious universities in Korea. There are opportunities for potential international and exchange students to enroll in these universities and live in Seoul for an extended period of time. Many of these universities also conduct Korean language classes to foreigners."

 * This would bring in more in line with the section about universities in the Shanghai article then. The dog2 (talk) 06:25, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

 * I'd say "Korean language classes for foreigners", not "to foreigners", but otherwise, I like your proposed brief paragraph, except that I have a question: Are some of those language courses short-term (e.g., 1 month or less)? If so, that's worth a brief (even parenthetical) mention, in my opinion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:32, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

 * I agree the dog2's proposed change for the Seoul page. I would also encourage use of Ikan Kekek's suggestion, since I believe that would bring it much closer to the purpose of the 'Learn' section. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:31, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

 * You're right. That was a typo on my part. It should be "for foreigners". I had a look and yes, those three universities all have 5 week intensive summer programmes for people who wish to learn Korean. The dog2 (talk) 15:21, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Terrific! That's information travelers can really use. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:09, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Region category
I ran a report on South Korea and noticed that Seoul was the only city not belonging to a province. Technically I understand that Seoul is actually its own region surrounded by Gyeonggi, however I felt for the purposes of traveler categorization it would be better to categorize inside Gyeonggi itself.

This was already the convention for other cities such as Busan that are in the same situation.

Does anyone disagree? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:50, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

See and Do
It seems as if the See and Do sections of the main article should have much more information for those of us who aren't sure what the main tourist attractions are in Seoul. Maybe we either add a summary or move some of the more important attractions up from district articles. Altaihunters (talk) 06:48, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

 * Yes, that is my fault actually. We recently had a drive to create district articles and moved all the listings down. It now means the top level article needs to have summaries created. Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:54, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

 * I started to expand 'Do', although unfortunately colorful prose is not my forte. Andrewssi2 (talk) 04:45, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Seoul banners
I've been looking at the Seoul banners and wanted to make a summary of the current status. Some of the following are mine but not all:

Seoul/West, Seoul/Songpa and Seoul/Yeongdeungpo-Guro are still outstanding. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:54, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

 * My impressions, as someone who's been to Seoul exactly once, for a day and a half in 1975 (and then a change of planes in the airport in 1987, which really doesn't count on several grounds): The main article banner gives me the impression of a claustrophobic city.

 * I like the Seoul/Jongno banner very much because of its pretty, symmetrical composition.

 * Seoul/Jung is a crowded street and a very good composition.

 * The picture of the market in Seoul/Seodaemun-Mapo is a good one, not the run of the mill.

 * Does "pink" in the Seoul/Yongsan banner refer to a sex shop, as in places like France? Because that's the impression I'm getting from the banner. [Edit: Maybe not, as there is another bar (?) called Green on the other side of the street, but without copious green lighting on the exterior.]

 * The Seoul/Gangnam banner is another crowded street scene, but not nearly as good a composition as in the Jung article.

 * Seoul/North is quite nice, a beautiful scene.

 * Seoul/South is a bit posed (I think I count 5 vendors looking at the camera), but I think that's OK and again, it's a nice image of a market scene, with a lot of depth.

 * Seoul/East is striking me as a very nice composition and a good "old/new" contrast picture.

 * Seoul/Yeongdeungpo-Guro now has a banner, a nice bridge and river scene.

 * Seoul/Songpa's banner is of the Olympic Stadium with fall foliage. The weather was a little hazy on the day the source image was taken, so a better picture is definitely imaginable, but I think most anyone would agree that this banner is perfectly acceptable.

 * Seoul/West still has no banner. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:09, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Thanks! I'm trying to get Seoul to at least Usable in the next few weeks.
 * In terms of the Seoul/Yongsan banner, you are right, it does look like a European style brothel. The area (Itaewon) is next to the main American army base in Korea and has a reputation for seediness. I actually don't know what kind of business the pink sign is advertising but my best guess would be a 'hostess club' (A place where businessmen can go, pay for expensive drinks and talk to ladies, which very occasionally can imply something 'extra' afterwards). Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:11, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Looking again, it is also possible that it s a hairdresser or nail salon :) Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:14, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Less districts?
As of now we have divided Seoul into 11 districts. Yes, I know well that Seoul is a gigantic city geographically and population-wise. Still, many of the peripheral articles are really short and hence it might be worth considering some mergers to get rid of 3-4 shorter ones. What do you think, Andrew and others?

Ps. remember the 7 2 recommendation, even if it's not mandatory for the lowest level in the hierarchy. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:51, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

 * I suppose it would be possible to combine West, Yeongdeungpo-Guro, and South into one article (Southwest?) and combine East and Songpa into another (still named East?). That would take it down to 8 districts. However, I don't know if grouping those districts together would be awkward in terms of their atmosphere/generalities, and moreover, since our Seoul coverage is obviously underdeveloped, my main concern would be whether we wouldn't just wind up going back to this 11-district split once this city starts getting the attention it deserves. The current arrangement of 11 districts doesn't particularly strike me as unreasonably many for a city this size, if we could just get some decent coverage going on. Texugo (talk) 18:23, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

 * The other extreme, reverting to one single article, would not be a good idea. Seoul as one article would be very long, that's why it was districtified in the first place. The problem is that some of the outermost articles are really, really empty (while Jung and other some other central districts are already Usable). ϒpsilon (talk) 18:51, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

 * I suppose my concern is, especially given that some districts are already Usable, that we need to be considering whether the potential content for those districts, once they reach usable, would or would not be reasonable compared to the existing districts. Is it a reasonable breakdown for which some districts simply haven't received enough attention? Wouldn't those empty districts, once properly filled in, be reasonable counterparts for those existing usable ones? The breakdown needs to be based on a consistent level of reasonable potential coverage, rather than simply basing it on what's been covered well so far and merging the rest. If West, for example, once brought up to Usable would be comparable in size and level of detail to one of the existing Usables, then merging with others prematurely would just mean that as soon as someone comes along to give proper attention, we'll be talking about splitting them out again. If, on the other hand, West, Yeongdeungpo-Guro, and South, once brought up to Usable, could still be merged reasonably in an article comparable to existing Usables, then maybe that's the way to go. But I get a feeling that what we have is already fairly proportional, if we just gave more attention to the empty ones. Texugo (talk) 19:21, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Usually suburban areas have little to offer compared to the central parts of a city. Though I guess it wouldn't be entirely impossible to get up all articles to at least usable status. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:35, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Actually last few days I have turned my attention back to Seoul and the much neglected outer districts.
 * I'd agree that Korean suburbia, perhaps more than many other countries, is rather boring. Endless white apartment blocks as far as the eye can see, interspersed with generic Korean bakery, fried chicken and pizza chains.
 * Nevertheless, the districts in question are massive :) Can you give me perhaps a week to bring them up to Usable? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:13, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Have a month or more if you need. Personally I don't really know much about the suburbs, but I'm pretty good at googling things :). I was thinking Seoul could be a nice DotM sometime in 2016; for that the article must be at Guide status and therefore all districts as Guide Usable status or better. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:21, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Maps in region articles
A couple of district articles e.g. Seoul/Songpa still have simple static maps showing where in Seoul the districts are. They don't look very pretty and other districtified cities don't have them either, so are there any objections to me removing them? ϒpsilon (talk) 17:35, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Personally I find them useful because I wouldn't know what part of the city I'm looking at from the dynamic map. That said if they are felt to be ugly then I don't strongly object to removing them. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 17:38, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
 * OK. Dynamic maps can of course be zoomed. So I'll remove the maps as of now to look what the articles look like but the maps can be added back if they are useful. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:54, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Wait, there was a weird way to mark out areas on dynamic maps with Template:GPX a bit like itineraries. That would be a much more elegant solution. Let's leave the static maps in the articles as of now. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:03, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Found out how to create the effect, it's apparently called Mapmask. I already added it to Seoul/Yongsan and will add it to other dynamic maps tomorrow. Ps. sorry for being blunt, I didn't notice it was actually you who had drawn (some of) the static maps. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:45, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

 * No problem to be blunt :) If something needs calling out then it doesn't matter who contributed. (Actually I just drew one map)
 * It would be good to use mapmasks. They are easy to technically define (just a long list of coordinates), but I never took the jump to find where those coordinates for city districts could be derived from. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:19, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

 * A brief guide: Mapmask data from OSM relations.
 * Go to http://www.openstreetmap.org/ and search e.g. for "Songpa". Note the number of the relation.
 * OSM Route Manager -- Exporting OpenStreetMap routes as a GPX track file. (Lookup/Add to personal route/download GPX).
 * GPX Optimizer -- Simplifier/Optimizer for GPX files (Load local file/optimize/download).
 * Gpx2mapmask -- Converting GPX track or route file to Mapmask format.
 * -- Joachim Mey2008 (talk) 05:33, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article?

I created a new alternative banner for this article (I initially created it first and foremost so that it would be used at the top of the parallel article in the Hebrew edition of Wikivoyage, yet I later decided to also suggest that the English Wikivoyage community would consider using it here as well). So, which banner do you prefer having at the top of this article? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 12:46, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * I prefer the new banner, which provides the viewer some relief with the river and bridge. The current one, though, does effectively represent the excitement and claustrophobic feeling of a big city. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:47, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * The new banner has a really uninteresting sky... I don't see much improvement over the current banner. Danapit (talk) 18:11, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * The architecture and skyline of Seoul isn't exactly famous for a reason. Seoul is certainly a city more impressive at night time. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:58, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Current Syced (talk) 07:42, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

 * I just added a third option to choose from. The current one is still my favourite though. --Renek78 (talk) 00:06, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata items for dynamic map
Below is the map with all Wikidata items for the place. This should simplify the work in case we want to change the district set-up in the future. The tool Wikidata Extractor has been used to create the mapshapes.--Renek78 (talk) 20:48, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Danger? Warning?
The bluster & threats (or at least what I see reported) all seem to be coming from N Korea & the US, but S Korea is not uninvolved. Seoul is under 50 miles (80km) from the border. It is within artillery range & N Korea has had a lot of big guns (one report says 9,000) pointed at it for decades.

If the situation blows up, Seoul would certainly be shelled & might even be nuked. The North certainly has bombs & bombers. I'm not sure they have reliable rockets yet, but whatever they have would be more likely to hit Seoul than other targets they've threatened. They've claimed to have miniature A-bombs that could be delivered by artillery. I don't believe that, but I might be wrong. Reports claim they've got lots of chemical & biological weapons too.

I'm inclined to think the Hitchhiker's Guide's "Don't Panic" advice is excellent & would not advocate adding a warning box here (yet?). However it seems worth discussing whether a caution box is needed & what it might say. Pashley (talk) 22:35, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I'm reminded of the recent discussion to add a warning box to Guam, lest it get hit by a North Korean missile. We could also add a warning to New York City since in theory a North Korean missile could hit there as well.
 * Seoul has been dealing with this for 60 years now, and the threat hasn't changed much in that time Whether you risk being blown up by a small A bomb or a barrage of conventional shells doesn't really change things. It has always been a threat and I think adequately covered in the article as is. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:46, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I think the fact that this is a time of increased tension should be mentioned, though; wouldn't you agree on that? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:17, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

 * There have been multiple periods of 'increased tension' over the past 20 years, including actual artillery fire on South Korean islands and the sinking of a South Korean navel vessel. These were very serious incidents that also did not result in war.
 * What are we trying to say with 'increased tension' exactly? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:00, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

 * That the risk of war could be a bit higher than normal. Otherwise, "follow the news" is a constant, not something just for now. As for the serious incidents, I think they should have been mentioned on a cautionary basis at the time, if there had been a Wikivoyage then. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:55, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Moving or deleting the article about Gyeongbokgung
Gyeongbokgung article is already described in Seoul/Jongno, so I don't think it is necessary to describe in detail on this general Seoul page. I think merging the contents to Jongno article would be more organized. How does everybody thinks about this? Max980301 (talk) 08:01, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Korean text in "Do"
What is all that text doing? I don't know if it should be outright deleted or translated and integrated with the rest of the article. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 07:44, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Seoul


text:
Talk:Seoul/Gangnam-gu

VFD Discussion
The following articles from Seoul districts have been created, but Seoul does not yet have a district structure. I do think it'll need them eventually, but for now I'd suggest to delete them:

 * Seoul/Gangnam-gu
 * Seoul/Gwangjin-gu
 * Seoul/Jung-gu
 * Seoul/Songpa-gu
 * Seoul/Yeoui-do

 * Delete. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:54, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Redirect. Is there a reason why they can't just be redirected to Seoul?  If they are actual districts then the Project:Deletion policy states that a redirect is preferable to deletion. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:12, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Yes, redirect is fine, my mistake. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 11:27, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Redirect. Incidentally, I do hope someone who knows the city can put in some work to fill in more info and get it districtified at some point. The article even states that by some measures it is second in size only to Tokyo, so it sorely needs expansion and districtification. Visiting Seoul using only the guide we have now could really be somewhat of a pain in the ass. (WT-en) Texugo 19:45, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Merge & redirect. Also, IWBN to document the current ad hoc district structure, as it might perhaps be useful as a starting point for a districtification. Seoul does badly need districting. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:25, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

Result: Merge template added. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:45, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

title: Talk:Seoul/Gangnam-gu


text:
Talk:Seoul/Gwangjin-gu

VFD Discussion
The following articles from Seoul districts have been created, but Seoul does not yet have a district structure. I do think it'll need them eventually, but for now I'd suggest to delete them:

 * Seoul/Gangnam-gu
 * Seoul/Gwangjin-gu
 * Seoul/Jung-gu
 * Seoul/Songpa-gu
 * Seoul/Yeoui-do

 * Delete. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:54, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Redirect. Is there a reason why they can't just be redirected to Seoul?  If they are actual districts then the Project:Deletion policy states that a redirect is preferable to deletion. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:12, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Yes, redirect is fine, my mistake. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 11:27, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Redirect. Incidentally, I do hope someone who knows the city can put in some work to fill in more info and get it districtified at some point. The article even states that by some measures it is second in size only to Tokyo, so it sorely needs expansion and districtification. Visiting Seoul using only the guide we have now could really be somewhat of a pain in the ass. (WT-en) Texugo 19:45, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Merge & redirect. Also, IWBN to document the current ad hoc district structure, as it might perhaps be useful as a starting point for a districtification. Seoul does badly need districting. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:25, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

Result: Merge template added. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:45, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

title: Talk:Seoul/Gwangjin-gu


text:
Talk:Seoul/Jung-gu

VFD Discussion
The following articles from Seoul districts have been created, but Seoul does not yet have a district structure. I do think it'll need them eventually, but for now I'd suggest to delete them:

 * Seoul/Gangnam-gu
 * Seoul/Gwangjin-gu
 * Seoul/Jung-gu
 * Seoul/Songpa-gu
 * Seoul/Yeoui-do

 * Delete. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:54, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Redirect. Is there a reason why they can't just be redirected to Seoul?  If they are actual districts then the Project:Deletion policy states that a redirect is preferable to deletion. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:12, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Yes, redirect is fine, my mistake. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 11:27, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Redirect. Incidentally, I do hope someone who knows the city can put in some work to fill in more info and get it districtified at some point. The article even states that by some measures it is second in size only to Tokyo, so it sorely needs expansion and districtification. Visiting Seoul using only the guide we have now could really be somewhat of a pain in the ass. (WT-en) Texugo 19:45, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Merge & redirect. Also, IWBN to document the current ad hoc district structure, as it might perhaps be useful as a starting point for a districtification. Seoul does badly need districting. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:25, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

Result: Merge template added. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:45, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

title: Talk:Seoul/Jung-gu


text:
Talk:Seoul/Songpa-gu

VFD Discussion
The following articles from Seoul districts have been created, but Seoul does not yet have a district structure. I do think it'll need them eventually, but for now I'd suggest to delete them:

 * Seoul/Gangnam-gu
 * Seoul/Gwangjin-gu
 * Seoul/Jung-gu
 * Seoul/Songpa-gu
 * Seoul/Yeoui-do

 * Delete. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:54, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Redirect. Is there a reason why they can't just be redirected to Seoul?  If they are actual districts then the Project:Deletion policy states that a redirect is preferable to deletion. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:12, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Yes, redirect is fine, my mistake. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 11:27, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Redirect. Incidentally, I do hope someone who knows the city can put in some work to fill in more info and get it districtified at some point. The article even states that by some measures it is second in size only to Tokyo, so it sorely needs expansion and districtification. Visiting Seoul using only the guide we have now could really be somewhat of a pain in the ass. (WT-en) Texugo 19:45, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Merge & redirect. Also, IWBN to document the current ad hoc district structure, as it might perhaps be useful as a starting point for a districtification. Seoul does badly need districting. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:25, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

Result: Merge template added. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:45, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

title: Talk:Seoul/Songpa-gu


text:
Talk:Seoul/Yeoui-do

VFD Discussion
The following articles from Seoul districts have been created, but Seoul does not yet have a district structure. I do think it'll need them eventually, but for now I'd suggest to delete them:

 * Seoul/Gangnam-gu
 * Seoul/Gwangjin-gu
 * Seoul/Jung-gu
 * Seoul/Songpa-gu
 * Seoul/Yeoui-do

 * Delete. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:54, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Redirect. Is there a reason why they can't just be redirected to Seoul?  If they are actual districts then the Project:Deletion policy states that a redirect is preferable to deletion. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:12, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Yes, redirect is fine, my mistake. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 11:27, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Redirect. Incidentally, I do hope someone who knows the city can put in some work to fill in more info and get it districtified at some point. The article even states that by some measures it is second in size only to Tokyo, so it sorely needs expansion and districtification. Visiting Seoul using only the guide we have now could really be somewhat of a pain in the ass. (WT-en) Texugo 19:45, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Merge & redirect. Also, IWBN to document the current ad hoc district structure, as it might perhaps be useful as a starting point for a districtification. Seoul does badly need districting. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:25, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

Result: Merge template added. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:45, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

title: Talk:Seoul/Yeoui-do


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Talk:Sepang

Sepang
User:(WT-en) Anwarul vfd'd this article back in August but apparently didn't add it to this page. The page needs to be cleaned up at the very least, but I don't know enough about the area to say whether it should exist as a region article or not, although there are at least a few city articles under it in the hierarchy.
 * No idea -- (WT-en) Texugo 01:53, 18 November 2008 (EST)
 * Keep I've just gone through the history... There was a much better article back in May. I've rolled back to that edit, but I have also re-added the vfd tag just to keep things linked. (WT-en) Nrms 04:38, 18 November 2008 (EST)
 * Keep --(WT-en) Inas 05:25, 18 November 2008 (EST)
 * Keep Nrms gives an excellent reason. (WT-en) Pashley 06:06, 18 November 2008 (EST)
 * Keep. The area is a bit of a strange duck — it was basically just palm plantations until they decided to plonk down the new KL airport and F1 track there — but the May 2008 city article is the least inappropriate. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:13, 18 November 2008 (EST)

title: Talk:Sepang


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Talk:September

Sorry, I meant to add "june" to "june", not write September. :-X -- (WT-en) Nils 17:03, 26 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Archive

 * September 2nd - 4th, 2005: Auckland Art Fair 05 in Auckland, New Zealand.
 * September 3rd, 2005: The Bledisloe Cup in Auckland, New Zealand. Come watch the All Blacks (New Zealand's national rugby team) take on the Wallabies (Australia's national rugby team) in the final Bledisloe Cup match for 2005.
 * September 12th - 18th, 2005: Auckland Heritage Week in Auckland, New Zealand. Celebration of the city's unique heritage. A week of diverse events whose highlights include:
 * opening day festivities in Aotea Square
 * a classic film evening at the Civic Theatre
 * celebrations to commemorate the founding of Auckland on 18 September 1840
 * maritime and harbour tours
 * 'Early Auckland' and 'the Milk and Honey Years' archival film screenings
 * tours of the historic Symonds Street cemetery.

 * September 17th - 18th, 2005: London Open House Weekend in London, England. Several hundred interesting buildings which are normally closed to the public are opened up.
 * September 25, 2005: Last day of Expo 2005 in Aichi, Japan.

title: Talk:September


text: Talk:Sequim

title: Talk:Sequim


text:
Talk:Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks

Split this up
Does anyone have an argument against splitting this into two articles? The park service manages these two parks as one unit, but from a travel standpoint there is more than enough to say about each of them to merit having two separate articles. -- (WT-en) Ryan 01:09, 5 Aug 2005 (EDT)
 * They are hardly ever mentioned separately. The division is pretty irrelevant to the visitor: You'll see sequoias in both parks, both have an extensive backcountry of high sierras. Yes, there's plenty to be written about these parks, but an awful lot of it will be pretty much the same for both parks. 208.25.54.164 05:44, 9 Aug 2005 (EDT)

"The plague"? Seriously?

Link to crystal cave tours.
Is it ok to include this official link to the details on the Crystal Cave tours http://www.sequoiahistory.org/default.asp?contentid=632 —The preceding comment was added by Pbhavesh (talk • contribs)

 * That looks like an official link, so yes, I think it's OK to make one entry for it, including the URL, under "Do." Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:35, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Divide into separate articles?
This has been brought up before, but the article has surely been expanded since 2005 and King's Canyon/Sequoia are two separate national parks — two different, although closely related, travel destinations. What are the thoughts about splitting this up? Selfie City (talk) 17:47, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It looks to me that this would entail splitting up the See and Do listings, and copying all of the other sections into both new articles since the content seems to apply to both parks. I don't think that's really useful for travellers since these parks are beside each other. If travellers treat these as one destination, I don't see the advantage of having two articles. Maybe you just put sub-headings for each park under See and Do. Would that work? Ground Zero (talk) 23:00, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I guess so, it's just that I was looking at the map and I think these parks each have separate park entrances. So it seemed that the normal thing to do would be to make them separate. But yes, I'll add in the subheadings. Selfie City (talk) 13:50, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Dividing the sections gets much more difficult in the "Do" section. The listings there don't even state which park they're in — needs a park expert to divide into sections, unless I do some research. Selfie City (talk) 14:01, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe makes sense to keep them in one article if they are next to each other and in practice regarded as one single park. --ϒpsilon (talk) 14:07, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, although I've never really thought of them as one parks. They have different attractions — one is for the forests and the other for the canyon, so they have slightly different pros/cons. Selfie City (talk) 18:54, 20 July 2018 (UTC)


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Talk:Sera

vfd discussion

 * Delete. This article only covers one of many monasteries which are part of the Bylakupee settlement. I believe the information about the monastery can adequetly be covered under the 'see' section of that article. (WT-en) WindHorse 28 Feb 06
 * Question: This is talking about a village of 5000 that has temples and monasteries as well as places to sleep. Is this just an area in Bylakupee or a separate village? -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 10:15, 28 February 2006 (EST)
 * Sera is the name of a monastery with 5,000 monks. It is not a village. There are many other monasteries in the area. This is the largest, but there are also others with thousands of monks. The larger ones all have guest houses to accommodate visitors. If this monastery is given a separate page, then I believe that we are opening a can of worms, as there are large monasteries throughout the world - just my humble opinion (WT-en) WindHorse 3 March 06
 * Keep. Several sources seem to talk about "XXX monastery of/at Sera."  This suggests that Sera itself has some independent identity.  Since it also passes the you-can-sleep-there test, it looks like destination enough.  We have articles on far smaller places than this one. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:31, 3 March 2006 (EST)
 * The temple is an attraction of the community of Bylakupee. Maybe Bill didn't realize, but the original and far more famous Sera Monastery is near Lhasa in Tibet, and I imagine that most of the sources that Bill mentioned will be referring to that monastery. However, Bill is correct in stating that it does have a guest house, but then so do most reasonably large Tibetan style monasteries, as do Buddhist monasteries in Taiwan, China, Bhutan and Japan. Again, just my humble opinion and final comment on this. (WT-en) WindHorse 3 March 06
 * In that case, I think Sera should point to the original city, or to a disambiguator, the second of which should point to Bylakupee. --(WT-en) Ravikiran 09:54, 3 March 2006 (EST)
 * A disambiguator or redirect would be fine with me. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 13:01, 4 March 2006 (EST)
 * Actually, the Tibetan Sera is only mentioned in the Lhasa article. It does not have a separate page. I think I may have realized where the confusion lies. Traditional Tibetan monasteries often consist of a central prayer/meditation hall around which individual monastic houses are built. The larger communities will even have a guest house, shop and sometimes even a simple restaurant. So in this way, they resemble a village and are often referred to as such. However, the whole community belongs to the monastery. They are not villages in which a monastery is located. Anyway, that's the info. I'll leave it up to those wiser than I to decide whether to delete the Sera article or not. However, I will add that if it is kept, it will be the first of many other such articles. (WT-en) WindHorse 3 March 06.
 * I understand now. I vote delete (or redirect) unless the attraction qualifies under the "large attraction" exception. If the most you can write about it is one paragraph, then it should be folded, or Wikivoyage will suffer from the same fragmentation that Project:What is an article? was designed to prevent. Just as we will not have an article about a hotel that happens to be an architectural marvel because "you can sleep there", just as will not have an article about the IIM Lucknow campus (21 km from Lucknow) because someone can sleep there (i.e. students, parents and maybe I, as an alum) we should not have an article about Tibetan monasteries, just because someone sleeps there. --(WT-en) Chair of the committee to prevent Wikivoyage fragmentation
 * Yeah, I think a university campus is a very good comparison. (WT-en) WindHorse 4 March 06

title: Talk:Sera


text:
Talk:Serbia

Rumours of tax receipts being requested on exiting Serbia
Someone told me last week they were asked for their accommodation tax receipt when leaving serbia recently, apparently this is an archaic requirement to ensure accommodation providers are paying their taxes or something and few hostels or hotels seem to bother. I would be keen to know if this was an isolated event or if more of these checks are likely to be seen in the future.

--willthewanderer

languages during the communist era
In the part of the text that relates to the language ("Talk") the following information is stated: "If you speak Russian, it can prove to be occasionally helpful for you, as the two languages have some similarities, and Russian was taught as a second language during the communist era."

I think that this information is very wrong and that there is nowhere official information that any "second language" has ever officially been used in Serbia or in former Yugoslavia. I'm not sure how much one could manage in Serbia with the knowledge of the Russian language. Although they look similar, they are actually very different, so this kind of information might be bad enough for someone.--BuhaM (talk) 18:07, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, BuhaM, welcome to Wikivoyage. Anyone can edit any page they feel like, including you! Please feel free to correct any information you know to be wrong. Best wishes, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:21, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

title: Talk:Serbia


text:
Talk:Serbia and Montenegro

Serbia and Montenegro
I don't think anyone will be using this extra-region at all. Not only is this now a non-existant jurisdiction, I don't think this is a common search term now. It would have made sense in 2006 when it was created, but not today. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:41, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree and would support deletion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:35, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep – there used to be a country by this name, and not all that long ago. Like Czechoslovakia, this disambiguation page is harmless and may be useful – it gets about a dozen views a month. —Granger (talk · contribs) 08:36, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, keep. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:48, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

 * Basically, this is a disambiguation page, but as the best way to handle the situation given the history, weak keep. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 12:06, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - we should wait more than 15 years before deleting former countries. AlasdairW (talk) 19:53, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. This disambig seems useful. OhanaUnitedTalk page 14:24, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Outcome: Kept. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:21, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

title: Talk:Serbia and Montenegro


text:
Talk:Serbian phrasebook

Correction needed
"I can't speak name of language [well]. Не говорим name of language. Ne govorim name of language. (neh GOH-voh-reem ...)"

[name of language] should read 'Serbian'. The sentence is "I can't speak Serbian well", which should be translated into Serbian. Given the Slavic languages' propensity for cases, I imagine it's not just "Ne govorim Srpski"? If you can speak Serbian well, please correct this at your leisure :-) --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:46, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Believe there is a difference between “I go” and “I’m going” since there is the perfective and imperfective versions of a verb. Annyaka (talk) 03:43, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:Serbian phrasebook


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Talk:Serifos

Started a Serifos page, will exand and revise it a little later. (WT-en) Sailsetter 13:19, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

See
Add mention of Church of the Koimisis. (WT-en) Sailsetter 18:40, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

title: Talk:Serifos


text:
Talk:Serra da Mantiqueira

VFD Discussion
A mountain range shared by three states. Most of the information more properly belongs in either Southeast (Brazil), Itatiaia National Park, or other respective city, state, or region articles.
 * Merge and redirect to Southeast (Brazil) - (WT-en) Texugo 12:07, 6 April 2010 (EDT)

Result: Template:Merge added. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:36, 2 May 2010 (EDT)

title: Talk:Serra da Mantiqueira


text:
Talk:Serres

I think the crime rates are exaggerated. I've been to Serres recently since my wife's origin is from there and the nightlife is vibrant. I asked her and she said that yes crime rates increased the last 15 years or so but not to the extend claimed by the article. Some editing is required. 86.179.52.152

 * Please plunge foward and start editing! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 12:19, 21 February 2010 (EST)

Are we talking about the Serres town where I live in ?
Being born and raised in Serres, I was really surprised -in a negative way- to read all those crime comments which are well beyond the truth ! While reading it I was wondering if I live in another town or not !! "..however be sure to bring some form of defensive weapon with you if you are in Serres.." Pardon me ?!! Please edit straight away !!!

 * Please edit whatever you think is not correct, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 17:51, 29 April 2010 (EDT)

title: Talk:Serres


text:
Talk:Sesriem

Sesriem
Should probably be merged into Sossusvlei. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:53, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Merge and redirect to Sossusvlei --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 16:32, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Merged and redirected to Sossusvlei --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 04:02, 24 June 2007 (EDT)

title: Talk:Sesriem


text:
Talk:Setu Babakan

Unless there's a place to stay (and I don't think there is), this should go into Jakarta. (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:10, 7 August 2006 (EDT)

title: Talk:Setu Babakan


text:
Talk:Sevastopol

So, I'm from California, where we have a Sebastopol in Sonoma County. I wonder: is "Sevastopol" really the most common English name for this place in the Crimea? --(WT-en) Evan 12:26, 31 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * The interchangeability of v (or w) and b is found in many languages. William - Bill. This should not be seen religiously.

 * The new train over the Kerch bridge might offer another connection than air. It needs to be noted that travel insurances (health) were not valid for Crimea visits. As these things are in flux that might be changed and the latest status should be ascertained. Is there free healthcare and/or transport back to Moscow in the case of an accident? Can one buy an insurance module? Due to the military presence there should be a full service which foreign tourists might access? My buddies went in 2017 and still rave about it. Some were Russian speakers but those who weren't loaded a yandex translation service on their phones and that worked well.

 * For the culturally minded there is the Day of the Balalaika Festival in June in Sevastopol. 2001:8003:A02F:F400:53D:AECF:AF70:3F87 02:50, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

 * PS: It should be noted that all you see in Sevastopol is post WWII. Germany razed the town 100% - all rebuilt. History - in that part of the world it matters. 2001:8003:A02F:F400:53D:AECF:AF70:3F87 05:23, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia seems to think so, and it's the correct transliteration of Севастополь. (WT-en) Jpatokal 20:11, 31 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * "Sevastopol Crimea" outsearches "Sebastopol Crimea" on google by 2:1. The first four results from the latter are Crimean-war or British Military links -- i.e. 19th Century references.  Even Sebastopol calls the Crimean city Sevastopol . -- (WT-en) Colin 21:00, 31 Jan 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Seventeen days in Norway by car

I hope to finish this itinerary before the end of August 2007. I plan to link to the intinerary from other pages when most of the content is in. 213.219.157.185 16:49, 15 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Cool! Curious though, why seventeen days, and not 2 weeks or 3 weeks? Seems a little random :)  – (WT-en) cacahuate   talk 20:28, 15 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Yeah, why not 18 days? Seriously, I imagine our anonymous friend is spending exactly 17 days in a car in Norway. -- Sapphire

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Talk:Seville

Does anyone have info about the seville-madrid bus route? I might get around to it myself in the next few days, but if someone already knows it would save me researching --Willthewanderer (talk) 20:27, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

The page says there are night trains to Barcelona, but that doesn't seem correct.

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