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Talk:Kabul

$10/room
Hey there (WT-en) Creative, I'm not sure what your question was about, if you're referring to the Salsal Guesthouse, yes their singles are $10, although they may be trying to get wise to the new influx of foreigners and ask for $15, but that's definitely overpriced and people should haggle it down to $10 (which IMO is still a bit much - Afghanis are paying around $5 for the same rooms) (WT-en) Cacahuate 05:39, 6 December 2006 (EST)

Visitor's permit??
What's with this edit? Is this a new requirement? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 16:16, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

In theory there is now a counter at the airport dealing with the registration of foreigners. You need to have two passport size photo’s with you. They will issue and stamp the registration card on the spot. If you don't find the counter, or no one is present, you will need to go to the Ministry of Interior, Foreigner Registration Department to do that (within one or two days of arrival in Kabul).(WT-en) Ozone108 01:38, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Banks
(WT-en) Cacahuate, I don't see a good reason for your removal of Kabul Bank and Azizi Bank from the Money section? These are the leading banks in Afghanistan, having many branches in Kabul. Visitors to Kabul should know all this, and they do have ATMs as well as Western Union services. Standard Chartered only has one branch in Kabul but that was not removed. Let's not remove these banks again.--(WT-en) Creative 01:55, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

 * Do these banks accept foreign cards with the visa or mastercard logo, or must you have an account at these banks to withdraw cash at the atm's? My impression that is was the latter, in which case they should be removed, but if they accept international cards, and no account needed, then we can leave them in – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 12:41, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

 * Kabul Bank clearly says under "Bank Services" ATM and Master Card. That means someone can withdrawl their money from their home country in Kabul. You can also do a special bank window transaction to withdrawl cash from your Debit, Visa, Mastercard, etc. The banks provide all other kinds of services for foreign travellers, like money transfers, drafts, Western Union, etc.
 * Azizi Bank, which is owned by Azizi Hotak provides SWIFT and Western Union services. It will have ATM and Credit Card services in the future. These services come in handy for travellers who are out of cash or those who lose their wallets, etc. Besides, these are the very popular banks in Kabul with so many branches everywhere. The Standard Chartered only has one location in the city and it is very difficult to find.--(WT-en) Creative 18:52, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

 * Actually nothing I read on the Kabul Bank site leads me to believe that you can withdraw cash at this moment with a foreign card, but the other services are handy, so cool. Standard Chartered is one of the most commonly used banks by foreigners, and is one of the few that accepts foreign cards at its atm, which is why I left it in in the first place. Azizi is relevant only because of the Swift and Western Union, it's otherwise useless to a traveler, so for that reason alone I'll agree it should stay. Good news that they're planning to introduce atms in the future though – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 21:22, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Airport
I travelled through yesterday (26th Jan 09). The new terminal does appear complete and looks very nice. It even has air bridges. However, flights are still being handled by the old terminal. I am told the new terminal was officially opened late last year. No one knew why the new terminal was not being used. Anyone familiar with Afghanistan will have seen this sort of thing happen in other areas.(WT-en) Davidbstanley 05:21, 27 January 2009 (EST)

I have traveled into and out of the new airport terminal since my arrival on August 1, 2009. There is a requirement for foreigner registration after customs and before final check at baggage xray. Depending on time of year your spirits may be confiscated (normally 2 liters allowed).12:19, 9 October 2009 (EDT)12:19, 9 October 2009 (EDT)12:19, 9 October 2009 (EDT)~

Map
Per discussion at Dotm, this city desperately needs a good map :) I might be able to help when I get back home next month, time permitting.... but if Peter or someone has the inclination to do it, please go ahead.... Something like this and the one already in the article would probably be good for the larger overview map, and then will likely need insets or separate zoomed in maps of Shar-e-Naw and maybe Wazir Akbar Khan areas – (WT-en) cacahuate   talk 14:13, 21 December 2009 (EST)

 * Update: Don't foresee being able to draw this up anytime soon.... but someone should before it reaches DOTM, if ever a destination should we require a good map, I'd say this is a good contender – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 03:01, 26 April 2010 (EDT)
 * OpenStreetMap is quite good for Kabul. See . (WT-en) Davidbstanley 05:52, 26 April 2010 (EDT)

"Fairly safe"?
Is "fairly safe" really a suitable description of the security situation in Kabul? There have been several massive attacks in the last few months and they were all aimed squarely at foreigners. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:24, 24 May 2010 (EDT)

 * The problem is that the security situation changes every few months. A year ago, relative to the rest of Afghanistan, Kabul was indeed "fairly safe". Today, the city isn't amongst the country's most dangerous regions/cities, but there have been a few attacks against foreigners. You can remove that phrase if you wish. (WT-en) AHeneen 02:45, 25 May 2010 (EDT)

Turquoise Mountain & Murad Khane
Murad Khane, the artistic quarter of Kabul, is not only getting some of its parts restored by Turquoise Mountain, but it also has made education on the arts of calligraphy & painting, woodwork, jewellery & gem-cutting, and ceramics. May we include Murad Khane for our guide to Kabul? Has anyone heard about that? - (WT-en) CurvyEthyl 23:10, 1 April 2011 (EDT)

Map
I'm working on one. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:56, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

 * Trying to locate these listings to put them on the map is maddening. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:46, 15 July 2011 (EDT)

 * Just seeing this.... I could probably help with a few of the listings at least.... did you ever get very far on the map? Might be one that could do with some talk page collabs to get all the placements – cacahuate   talk 07:21, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Additions of obsolete info
Editors from two IPs "updated" Kabul with info from WT, info that had been there already in 2013. I don't know whether some independent people noticed we lacked some information and copied without noticing the state of WT, or if this was part of an effort from IB. If the latter, similar edits can have been made in other articles. Also in the former case, we should be alert about info copied from the net without checking whether it is recent and correct. –LPfi (talk) 10:03, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Kaş

Is this Kas or Kars? There are two cities/regions in Turkey that this could be. - (WT-en) Huttite 18:33, 25 Dec 2005 (EST)

This is Kas on the south coast and warm. Kars is cold and in the far east.- (WT-en) Hobbittr 3 Dec 2009 (GMT+2.00)

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Talk:Kachin State

Dadgummit, it's tough to find any decent info on this place. Some links for mining:

"Kachin State Special Region 1" in Chinese: 克钦邦第一特区

(WT-en) Jpatokal 19:41, 25 Jul 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:Kahuku

''Moved from Project:Plunge forward by (WT-en) Evan on 11:38, 21 December 2006 (EST). The content needs to be mined for data for this guide.''

Not Just For Turtles
Should you happen to be fortunate enough to be going to Hawaii for your vacation then there's an absolute 'must' see and 'must ' stay and that's at the Turtle Bay Resort on Oahu's North Shore. About an hour's drive north of Honolulu International Airport, perched away from the main highway, lies the resort itself. The private drive, which leads up to the hotel, is lined on either side by stately Royal Palms. Just as you're three/quarters of the way along the road you happen along an enclosed kiosk with a security guard beckoning you onward, which in and of itself tells you that whatever it is that you fear is not going to be able to get to you. When the door of your car is opened for you, you're virtually in the open air lobby and the feeling of having your breath taken away by the view simply and surely indicates the paucity of words in the English language to describe what's in front of your very eyes. The vision, on your right, as you approach the elongated and elegant check-in desk, is of sea, sand, and surf as far as the eye can see and the sound of the waves rushing onto shore is the sound of pure enchantment. Perhaps some of the most difficult decisions that you'll have to make during your entire time away will be either which activity to become involved in and/or which restaurant to dine in. If snorkeling strikes your fancy then the hotel's special staff will outfit you, teach you, and then take you to see the sort of underwater life worthy of Cousteau himself. Then again, if it's horseback riding or surfing or tennis or golf or any of the other myriad things you might imagine yourself doing in a place frequently and usually called Paradise, then chances are it will be made available to you without fuss or bother. The staff of the resort is world-class. I've traveled extensively from Marrakech to the Iguassu Falls in Argentina and few places, if any, have a more welcoming and sincere group of people making you feel like you belong. Oh, and did I forget to mention that all the rooms are spacious and come with an ocean view as well as a lanai where you can sit in either the afternoon, if you're not at one of the pools or hot tubs, or evening and contemplate the seemingly endless expanse of beauty all housed together on one volcanic outpouring in the middle of the Pacific. As tempting as it is to do nothing else other than stay and watch the turtles swim just off the sandy beach by the hotel, make certain you rent either a convertible or a Jeep Wagoneer and tour all of Oahu. The island itself is not all that big and you can easily see a good deal, if not all of it, in a couple of days. Finally, though people have been heard to say that Honolulu is 'just' another big American city - don't pay any attention to them because they're just being reverse snobs. Honolulu is a gorgeous and obviously uniquely Hawaiian city. It is afterall the only place in the United States that has an existing Royal Palace and the closeby locales known internationally as Wakiki Beach, Pearl Harbor, and Diamond Head are legendary so why would anyone want to miss seeing them. As they say in Hawaii to all who are fortunate enough to visit, Aloaha. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Drbehavior (talk • contribs)

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Talk:KaihinMakuhari

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Merging with Chiba
This article, which is poorly titled, is a district of Chiba article. Kaihin-Makuhari is listed as an attraction in the Chiba article, though one with several sights to see. If Kaihin-Makuhari even merits its own article it should be on a page that is a district of Chiba, like Chiba/Kaihin-Makuhari. However, with nowhere to sleep listed, and only the few see listings, which also appear in the Chiba See listing, it probably makes more sense to merge these pages until there is enough content to create districts. - (WT-en) Huttite 05:52, 7 December 2009 (EST)

 * Indeed, all the entries were moved out of Chiba, and the article itself is an orphan. I've given the content a quick copyediting pass and moved it back to the main article, under its own subheading.  - (WT-en) Dguillaime 00:15, 10 December 2009 (EST)

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Talk:Kailua-Kona

This article should properly be for either Kailua or Kailua-Kona, as this is the actual name of the town. I don't know how to do this, and I don't know if others will agree on this point. The word Kona is commonly used to refer to Kailua-Kona, but Kona also refers to the windward side of an island. It's less ambiguous with Hilo, since that's the name of the town as well as the leeward term.

 * I moved the article to Kailua-Kona as there is already a Kailua article. Perhaps Kailua also needs to be merged with Kailua-Kona, however i do not know enough about Hawaii to say. --- (WT-en) Huttite 20:16, 24 Mar 2005 (EST)

 * Something, commonly called Something Else, ... is usually a good sign to me that we're not following the Project:article naming conventions and giving articles a title for the most common English name for a place. --(WT-en) Evan 22:08, 24 Mar 2005 (EST)
 * Kailua-Kona is an exceptional case to the naming conventions, in my opinion. Most people refer to it as Kona, but when they say Kona, they really mean "the major city on the Kona Coast of Hawaii," even if they don't realize that that means Kailua.  Kona should really be a region, I guess, ((Kailua(Kona)?), which would actually work out better, since there are so many attractions there, even if there aren't very many towns.  Sorry if this is confusing.(WT-en) Ookla 20:04, 25 Mar 2005 (EST)
 * The Kailua that has a stub is actually on Oahu, not Hawaii, so the way it sits now is how it should work.(WT-en) Ookla 20:04, 25 Mar 2005 (EST)

Wireless Internet
Rio's: http://www.speedtest.net/result/288403204.png. -- (WT-en) tbc 16:12, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Kairouan

Just a point about the touts on buses incase people are questioning it, it happened when we visited it was not a particularly negative experince but I thought it would be best if people knew that this may happen. (WT-en) Meltwaterfalls 11:14, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Kakadu

REDIRECT ?
I noticed that there is very similar page. I think it's better make this page a redirect to Kakadu National Park. -- (WT-en) Tatata 08:01, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
 * I'll add the redirect - and leave the text for now, and then check if anything needs moving.. --(WT-en) Inas 20:21, 17 May 2009 (EDT)

 * Actually I've just done a diff, and the differences in the articles are trivial.  I'll redirect this article to Kakadu National Park.  --(WT-en) Inas 21:17, 17 May 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Kakadu National Park

i think the rock are pretty !!!

thank you very much

Permission
Hi my name is Lex, you may notice that some of the text I am adding to the Kakadu National Park page appears in another website eg travelnt.com, that is because I am the original author and have permission to use it on wikivoyage. --(WT-en) Lex 10:35, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

Lede
I've adjusted the lede a bit as Kakadu National Park is by far Australia's most famous national park, and it should have been a DotM back when it was featured (and I wasn't alone in thinking that). For those that might think parks like Uluru or the Daintree are much more famous than Kakadu, am willing to debate this. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:46, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Banner
The new banner is of Jim Jim, which is an important waterfall in the park (somewhat like the Half Dome's importance in Yosemite). However, as a banner, it doesn't appear to be as spectacular. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:24, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

 * As the first image on the page already depicts the falls, I think banner 0 is slightly better for this article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 20:34, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Kalaiya

VFD Discussion

 * No content (WT-en) –sumone10154 20:03, 30 April 2012 (EDT)

Result: Kept. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:14, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

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Talk:Kalakode

A Small Town near paravur and varkala, in quilon district kerala,india. Ammarathu temple is a famous temple. Buses ply from varkala, paravur and paripally.Rail heads at paravur and varkala. Tea stalls, medical aid, and small market place available in the town, OOninmoodu, kappil Bhuthakulam are near by villages.

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Talk:Kalamazoo

I noticed a small error in regards to Upjohn/Pharmacia's status. While the full story is more complicated, Pharmacia did not buy out Upjohn, they merged, and the resulting merger actually resulted in a jointly named company headquartered in Kalamazoo. Upon the purchase of Monsanto, the company changed its name completely to Pharmacia. It wasn't until the Pfizer buy-out that the company was no longer headquartered in Kalamazoo.
 * Please Project:Plunge forward and edit the guide! Thanks (WT-en) Majnoona 17:11, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

Wikivoyage style
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Talk:Kalasin

TAT Listings
I moved TAT listings and other clutter to Talk:Kalasin/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 06:24, 6 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Kalasin/Listings

See
Phraya Chaisunthon Monument (Chao Somphamit) (อนุสาวรีย์พระยาชัยสุนทร): It is located in front of the Kalasin Post Office. The life-sized monument is made from bronze in a standing position with the right hand holding a teapot, and left hand holding a magic sword. The people of Kalasin donated the money to build this monument so to express their gratitude to the founder of the city. Wat Klang (วัดกลาง): It is located near Phraya Chaisunthon Monument. Wat Klang is a third-class royal temple. Within the temple’s compound, there is an Ubosot building, which was an extension from the old building. The Thai-style Ubosot is decorated with ‘Chofa’ (gable finial) and ‘Bai Raka’ (crockets). The wooden doors are carved telling the life of the Lord Buddha; while the windows tell the Jataka stories. There are stucco door guardians in the front and at the back. The Ubosot houses murals depicting the story of the Vessantara Jataka. Inside a pavilion or Sala near the Ubosot building is a black Buddha image, made from bronze with a lap of 20-inches wide. It is a beautiful Buddha image. The pedestal of the image bears an inscription in ancient Thai language stating that the image was built during the period of King Khu Na Kham. Phraya Chaisunthon took it to be the provincial image, which became highly revered by the local people. In any drought season, the local people would take the Buddha image in a procession to beg for rain. Apart from the black Buddha image, Wat Klang also has a Buddha footprint, which is 20-inch wide and 80-inch long, made from laterite. It is believed to have been built during the Lawa period. Formerly, it was located on the bank of Lam Pao – the Pao River, near Kaeng Samrong. Later on, the bank of the river gradually collapsed, so the local people decided to relocate it to this temple. Wat Si Bun Rueang (วัดศรีบุญเรือง) or Wat Nuea (วัดเหนือ) The ancient temple is situated in Mueang district. The temple stores a number of crafted boundary stones from Fa Daet Song Yang Ancient City. The stones are located around the Ubosot building. One of the most beautiful boundary stones, which are of the Dvaravati art, is the one that depicts flying angels over a Prasat or palace represented by double arches, with the king, queen and their sons at the bottom. Kalasin Museum (พิพิธภัณฑ์ของดีจังหวัดกาฬสินธุ์) Located at the former city hall of Kalasin, the museum was established by Mr. Chairat Mapraneet, Governor of Kalasin province, with an aim to show the collections of good things in Kalasin. The museum features a lecture room, governor’s room, religious room, room to honour H.M. the Queen, room showcasing ways of life of the Phu Thai people, Wichit Phrae Wa room, handicraft room, room for demonstration of Phrae Wa silk, and sales of souvenirs. The museum is open every Monday to Friday from 8:30 a.m. – 4:30 p.m. Tel. 0 4381 1695. Phutthasathan Phu Po (พุทธสถานภูปอ) It is located in the compound of Wat In Prathan Phon, Tambon Phu Po, approximately 28 kilometres from Kalasin province. Travel along Highway No. 213 and then at approximately Km. 59, turn left to Ban Chot – Ban Na Chan – Na Khok Khwai for 16 kilometres. The site is where two ancient reclining Buddha images of the Dvaravati period carved on the cliff can be seen. They are the sacred images highly revered by the people of Kalasin and nearby provinces. The first image is at the foothill and the second one is on Phu Po. Apart from storing sacred Buddha images, Phu Po also features beautiful nature perfect for rest and relaxation. There is an annual ceremony to celebrate the reclining Buddha images in April every year. Ban Phokhru Plueang Chairatsami (บ้านพ่อครูเปลื้อง ฉายรัศมี) is located at 229/4, Kaset Sombun Road, Tambon Kalasin. Khru Plueang Chairatsami was declared a National Artist in 1986 in the field of folk music. He built a farmer’s hut to be used as a traditional music school. The hut also displays traditional musical instruments such as Phin (lute), Khaen (reed organ), So (bowed stringed instrument) and Pong Lang (northeastern style xylophone). It is also used as accommodation for students from other areas who come to study traditional music. Khru Plueang is considered the pride of the people of Kalasin and is the legend of Pong Lang of Kalasin, the northeastern-style music which has been continued by him for over two decades. He also created new styles of folk music such as Mak Kalong – a musical instrument made from a string of cow’s bells to make the musical sound.

Mueang Fa Daet Song Yang (เมืองฟ้าแดดสงยาง) is situated in Ban Sema, Tambon Nong Paeng. It is 19 kilometres from the city. Take Highway No. 214 (Kalasin – Roi Et) for 13 kilometres until reaching Kamalasai district, then turn right along Highway No. 2367 for 6 kilometres, turn right again for 400 metres to reach Fa Daet Song Yang. The town is sometimes called Fa Daet Sung Yang, or some people call it Mueang Sema due to its geographical look that resembles Sema - a boundary stone. It is an ancient town surrounded by earthen mounds with the length of about 5 kilometres. The moat sits in the middle of the two earthen mounds. From archaeological findings, it was found that the town had been inhabited since the pre-history period. During the 8th - 10th Century, or the Dvaravati period, the city became more developed. Evidence for its civilization are religious ruins in and around the city such as a large number of sandstone boundary markers with bas-reliefs depicting the Jataka stories and life of the Lord Buddha. Some of these have been kept at Wat Pho Chai Semaram in the city; and some of them remain in situ. Some of them are showcased at Khon Kaen National Museum. Aside from that, there are ancient ruins scattered in and around the city such as Phrathat Yakhu and groups of chedis at Non Wat Sung, Non Fa Yat and Non Fa Daet. On 27 September, 1936, the Fine Arts Department registered Fa Daet Song Yang as an ancient monument. Phrathat Yakhu (พระธาตุยาคู) or Phrathat Yai (พระธาตุใหญ่) is the largest chedi in Fa Daet Song Yang. It is an octagonal-shaped chedi, made of bricks. Evidence shows that it was constructed for three periods. The pedestal was in a redented square shape, with staircases at the four directions and decorated with stucco built during the Dvaravati period. The upper pedestal was in an octagonal shape, built on top of the original one and supporting an old chedi of the Ayutthaya period. The body and the top were created in the Rattanakosin period. Around the Phrathat, there are boundary stones with bas-reliefs depicting the life of the Lord Buddha. For this Phrathat, local people believe that it stores the bones of a respected senior monk. It can be noticed that when Mueang Chiang Som won the battle, they destroyed everything in Fa Daet Song Yang, except for Phrathat Yakhu. For this reason, the remains of the Phrathat are still in perfect condition. In the month of May every year, there will be the annual Rocket Festival, which is the ceremony to ask for rain to make the village live in peace. Wat Pho Chai Semaram (วัดโพธิ์ชัยเสมาร��ม) or Wat Ban Kom (วัดบ้านก้อม) is situated at Ban Sema, opposite the entrance to Fa Daet Song Yang. It is an old temple with a huge collection of old boundary stones of gigantic sizes, which are unique for the northeastern region. The boundary stones found in Fa Daet Song Yang are different from those discovered in other regions, as they were usually carved telling Jataka stories and the life of the Lord Buddha. There is one most beautiful boundary stone depicting the story when the Lord Buddha came back to Kapilavasdu. The boundary stone depicts King Suddhodhana (his father), Rahula (his son) and Yashodhara Pimpa (his wife) paying the greatest respect to the Lord Buddha, with Yashodhara Pimpa using her hair to clean the Buddha’s feet. As such, this boundary stone is called ‘Pimpa Philap’ (crying Pimpa). The original of this beautiful boundary marker is now located at the Khon Kaen National Museum. Lam Pao Dam (เขื่อนลำปาว) The dam was built to block Lam Pao - the Pao River - and Huai Yang – Yang Creek. It borders Tambon Lam Pao, Amphoe Mueang; Tambon Nong Bua, Amphoe Nong Kung Si; and Tambon Woe, Amphoe Yang Talat. The earthen dam is 33 metres high. The crest of the dam is 7.8 metres long, and 8 metres wide. The construction was commenced in 1963 and was completed in 1968, so to block water from Lam Pao and Huai Yang at Ban Nong Song Hong, Tambon Lam Pao, Amphoe Mueang. This resulted in twin reservoirs above the dam. A channel was dug to link both reservoirs, which can hold 1,430 million cubic metres. The dam was constructed particularly for relieving flood problems and for agriculture. Aside from that, it also serves as a breeding area for fish and relaxing spot for the public such as Dok Ket Beach. To get there: Take Highway No. 213 (Kalasin – Maha Sarakham) until Km. 33-34, then turn right to Lam Pao Dam along the paved road for 26 kilometres. Lam Pao Wildlife Conservation Development and Promotion Station (สถานีพัฒนาและส่งเสริมการอนุรักษ์สัตว์ป่าลำปาว) or Suan Sa-on (สวนสะออน) is located near Lam Pao Dam with a total area of 1,420 rai. It is quite an abundant deciduous dipterocarp forest. Inside is an open zoo in which there are indigenous wild animals including 130 bantengs, which are rare, and also other fauna like gibbons, monkeys, various kinds of domestic and migratory birds, along with nature trails. Suan Sa-on is open every day from 7:00 a.m. – 6:00 p.m., free of charge. Visitors who want to stay or do camping at the station have to ask for permission in advance by sending a letter to the Lam Pao Wildlife Conservation Development and Promotion Station at P.O. Box 120, Amphoe Mueang, Kalasin 46000; or Director of the Wildlife Conservation Office, National Park, Wildlife and Plant Conservation Department. Tel. 0 2562 0760. To get there: There are two routes to get there. Take the same route as going to Lam Pao Dam. From the dam, continue further along the crest for approximately 4 kilometres, or take the Kalasin – Sahatsakhan route (Highway No. 227) for 19 kilometres, then turn left and drive for 5 kilometres until reaching Suan Sa-on. Phu Phra Forest Park (วนอุทยานภูพระ) Situated in Tambon Na Tan, Phu Phra Forest Park was formerly a part of the Dong Mun National Forest Reserve. It features an outstanding mountain located near the villages. The Phu Phra Forest is quite a thick forest, with wild animals and a beautiful stream and view. The plain on the backside of the mountain houses an ancient stone Buddha image. Some of the interesting tourist attractions in the forest park include:

 * Pha Sawoei (ผาเสวย) It is an expansive stone cliff, about 150-200 metres wide. It is a breathtaking sightseeing spot.

 * Tham Siam Sap (ถ้ำเสียมสับ) It is a cliff cave that looks like somebody had dug the cave with a spade or ‘Siam’.

 * Tham Phra Rot (ถ้ำพระรอด) It is a cave that occurred due to the separation of a stone cliff. Inside the cave, there is a walkway of about 2 metres wide and 30 metres long. In the past, there were monks staying and practicing dharma inside the cave.

 * Pha Hin Yaek (ผาหินแยก) It is a separating cliff of 20 metres long and 6 metres deep. The leaning cliff is also a good sightseeing spot.

 * Tham Phra (ถ้ำพระ) It is a cave 30 metres in depth. The entrance is about 15 metres wide. There is a Buddha image that is highly revered by locals. Every year during the Songkran Festival, people would ascend to the cave to pour lustral water on the Buddha image to pay respect.

To get there: From Tha Khantho, take Highway No. 2299 to Km. 16, or take an Udon Thani – Kalasin bus and get off at Wat Sawang Tham Koeng in front of the forest park.

Amphoe Sahatsakhan
Sirindhorn Museum and Phu Kum Khao Dinosaur Excavation Site (พิพิธภัณฑ์สิรินธร และแหล่งขุดค้นไดโนเสาร์ภูกุ้มข้าว) Situated near the foothill of Phu Kum Khao in Wat Sakkawan. It is accessible by taking the Kalasin – Sahatsakhan route (Highway No. 227) for 25 kilometres, the museum is 2 kilometres before reaching Sahatsakhan. In 1970, Phrakhru Wichit Sahatsakhun, Abbot of Wat Sakkawan, discovered large-sized bones in the temple’s compound. At that time, he did not know that they were dinosaur’s fossils, so he kept them at the temple. Then, in 1978, a group of geologists from the Mineral Resources Department surveyed the area and declared that they were dinosaur’s fossils. In 1980, a Thai-French Geological Survey Group took 3 bones for further study, and found out that they were the fossils of a Sauropod. Then, in 1994, through systematic excavation and preservation, numerous dinosaur fossils were found in the rock of the Sao Khrua formation, assumed to date back to the early Cretaceous Period, or around 130 million years ago. More than 700 fossilized bones were found in this excavation site and they were assumed to belong to seven dinosaurs. The museum also keeps the new-found species of ancient fish which is still in perfect condition. The plain-water fish which is known as ‘Lepidotes’ and is around 30-60 centimetres long is assumed to have lived in the Mesozoic Period, or around 65 million years ago. It is assumed that the area was once a huge swamp that suddenly became dry, causing the death of the fish and they were covered with mud to become fossils that we see today. As such, Phu Kum Khao is considered to be the largest and most perfect concentration of dinosaur fossils in Thailand. The museum is open every day from 8:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. For more information, contact the Phu Kum Khao Dinosaur Research Centre, Mineral Resources Department, in Sahatsakhan district. Tel. 0 4387 1014, 0 4387 1394.

Meanwhile, Wat Sakkawan also houses a sacred Buddha image known as Luangpho Bandan Ritthiphon (Luangpho Ban Dan), which is a subduing Mara Buddha image of the Dvaravati period, highly revered by local people. Phutthasathan Phu Sing (พุทธสถานภูสิงห์) is located on top of Phu Sing, about 34 kilometres from Mueang district, on Highway No. 227. There are two ways to reach Phutthasathan Phu Sing: either by driving along a paved and curved road in the west, or ascending more than 400 steps in the east to reach the top. The hill is where Phra Phrom Phumi Palo is located. It is a large image in the subduing Mara posture that is 10.5 metres wide and is clearly visible from below. The surrounding area is shady and offers a lovely panoramic view. Wat Phutthanimit (วัดพุทธนิมิต) (Phu Khao – ภูค่าว)) is located at Ban Na Si Nuan, about 7 kilometres from Sahatsakhan and 4 kilometres from Phu Sing. It houses a rock relief of an ancient reclining Buddha image leaning on his left side, which is about 2 metres long and 25 centimetres wide. The Buddha image is highly revered by the local people. According to legend, Moggallana, a chief disciple of the Lord Buddha created this image over 2,000 years ago. Every year in April, there will be a bathing ceremony to celebrate the Buddha image. Also, the temple has an open wooden Ubosot, of which the windows, doors and ceilings are beautifully carved in 3 dimensions depicting the life of the Lord Buddha and Jataka stories. There is also Wihan Sangkhanimit which houses rare Buddha images and amulets. The temple is open for interested visitors every day. Laem Non Wiset (แหลมโนนวิเศษ) It is the land that stretches into Lam Pao Dam’s reservoir. It is located at Tambon Non Buri, about 6 kilometres from town and about 300 metres from Wat Sakkawan. Laem Non Wiset is a good sunset watching spot. There is also a ferry service to travel between Sahatsakhan and Nong Kung Si districts. The ferry can accommodate 4 – 10 six-wheel and four-wheel vehicles, each trip taking 15-20 minutes at the following service charges:
 * Motorcycle 	40 baht
 * 4-wheel car	60 baht
 * 6-wheel car 	90 baht
 * van 		70 baht

Do
Kalasin Pong Lang, Phrae Wa and Red Cross Fair (งานมหกรรมโปงลาง แพรวา และกาชาด จังหวัดกาฬสินธุ์) is held annually in February in front of the city hall. The festival features a colourful parade of each district decorated with a gigantic-sized Pong Lang – folk vertical xylophone, people dressed in traditional clothes, cultural competition, beauty pageant and local products sales. Wichit Phrae Wa Silk Festival (งานมหกรรมวิจิตรแพรวาราชินีแห่งไหม) is held annually on August 12, at Rim Pao Hotel to honour H.M. Queen Sirikit who has kindly supported the Phrae Wa silk under her royal patronage and promoted it to wider public awareness. The Queen’s support also helps to create employment for local Phu Thai people. The event features a Phrae Wa silk contest, fashion show of Phrae Wa silk dresses, cultural parade, demonstration of silk weaving, and sales of Phrae Wa silk.

Massage

 * Kalasin Job-training for the Blind Centre (ศูนย์สาธิตอาชีพคนตาบอดจังหวัดกาฬสินธุ์) 89/1 Pradit Road, Amphoe Mueang, Tel. 0 4382 0359. Rate per course is 120 baht. The centre is open from 8:00 a.m. – 4:00 p.m.
 * Traditional Massage for Health (ร้านนวดแผนโบราณนวดเพื่อสุขภาพ) 79 Soi Kham Phon Phatthana, Thanaphon Road, Amphoe Mueang (behind Shinawatra Hospital), Tel. 0 4382 0832. Rate per course is 120 baht. Open from 6:00 a.m. – 8:00 p.m.

Local Products and Souvenirs

 * Kalasin has various kinds of local products such as Phrae Wa silk, Mudmee silk, Khit textile, basketry products, pounded pork and beef.
 * Ban Phon Phrae Wa Silk Weaving Group (กลุ่มสตรีทอผ้าไหมแพรวาบ้านโพน) Tambon Phon, Amphoe Kham Muang. Tel. 0 4385 6081.
 * New Friend (ร้านนิวเฟรน) 291 Thetsaban 23 Road (next to Bank of Ayudhya), Amphoe Mueang. Tel. 0 4381 1849, 08 1872 5062.
 * Phrae Wa Kalasin (ร้านแพรวากาฬ��ินธุ์) (Mae Nueang – แม่เนื่อง) 192/1 Phirom Road, Amphoe Mueang (next to the Government Savings Bank at the Fountain Circle). Tel. 0 4381 1717.
 * Phu Thai Nong Hang Handicraft Centre (ศูนย์หัตถกรรมผู้ไทยหนองห้าง) 223 M. 1 Ban Nong Hang, Tambon Nong Hang, Amphoe Kuchinarai. Tel. 0 4385 1090.

Sleep

 * Sai Thong Hotel (โรงแร��ไทรทอง) 125 Somphamit Road, Tel. 0 4381 3348. 16 rooms, 200-320 baht.
 * Sabai Sabai Bungalow (บังกะโล สบาย สบาย) 118 Kalasin - Sahatsakhan Road, Tel. 0 4387 3232. 15 rooms, 100-250 baht.
 * Ban Phak Ruean Phae (บ้านพักเรือนแพ) 89 Mu 7 Tambon Phu Din, Tel. 08 9274 2850, 08 1974 5492. 14 rooms, 500 baht.
 * Phaibun (ไพบูลย์) 125/5-6 Somphamit Road, Tel. 0 4381 1661. 48 rooms, 200-360 baht.
 * Rim Pao (ริมปาว) 71/2 Kut Yang Samakkhi Road, Tel. 0 4381 3631-9. 140 rooms, 660-3,745 baht.
 * Suphak (สุภัค) 81/7 Saneha Road, Tel. 0 4381 1051. 52 rooms, 220-550 baht.
 * Saeng Thong (แสงทอง) 100-102 Phirom Road, Tel. 0 4381 1555. 28 rooms, 150-350 baht.

Amphoe Somdet

 * Somdet Hotel (สมเด็จโฮเต็ล) 158/2 Tambon Somdet, Tel. 0 4386 1150. 32 rooms, 220- 350 baht.

Amphoe Kuchinarai

 * P.P. Bungalow (พีพี บังกะโล) 103 Mu 10 Tambon Bua Khao, Tel. 0 4383 2443. 20 rooms, 150 – 350 baht.
 * Saeng Chai (แสงชัย) 121 Bua Khao Road, Tel. 0 4385 1222. 8 rooms, 100-300 baht.

Amphoe Sahatsakhan

 * Ban Khiang Pao (บ้านเคียงปาว) 35 Mu 9, Tambon Non Buri. 2 houses, 250 baht.

Eat

 * Phong Phan Porridge (ข้าวต้มผ่องพันธ์) 89/6-7 Kalasin Road, Tel. 0 4381 1940.
 * Natcha Suki (ณัชชาสุกี้) 250 Phirom Road, Tel. 0 4381 2320, 08 3345 1890.
 * Suan Ahan Lilawadi (สวนอาหารลีลาวดี) 269/14-16 Thanaphon Road, Tel. 0 4381 6699
 * B.M. (บี เอ็ม) Thinanon Road, Tel. 0 4382 1403.
 * Ban Phak Ruean Phae (บ้านพักเรือนแพ) 5 Mu 7, Kalasin – Sahatsakhan Road, Tambon Phu Din, Tel. 08 9274 2850, 08 1974 5492.
 * Suki House (สุกี้เฮ้าส์) 332/8-9 Thinanon Road, Tel. 0 4381 2804.
 * Kuchinarai Restaurant (ห้องอาหารกุฉินารายณ์) In Rim Pao Hotel, Kut Yang Samakkhi Road, Tel. 0 4381 3631.
 * Suphak Restaurant (ห้องอาหารสุภัค) In Suphak Hotel, Saneha Road, Tel. 0 4381 1031.
 * Udom Photchana (อุดมโภชนา) 39/3 Pradit Road, Tel. 0 4381 1912.

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 06:24, 6 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Kaleshwar Temple, Nerur

I'm pretty sure this info needs to be moved to the appropriate town/city article & the page needs deleted. I can't figure out where this would go. Any help?(WT-en) Fastestdogever 00:56, 22 February 2007 (EST)

Cant be added to Nanded
this place in sindhudurg district, kudal talika. this cant be added to nanded district.

I just plunged forward and move the few lines to the Sindhudurg article's "see"-section (WT-en) Sebindi 11:35, 17 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Well done Sebindi. It is great to see someone giving our Indian articles some badly need attention.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:42, 17 April 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Kalim Beach

TAT Listings
Moved TAT Sleep listings that cluttered the page here:

 * Baan Nerbert Beach Apartment (บ้านนอร์เบิร์ด บีช อพาร์ทเมนท์) 239 Phrabarami Road, Hat Patong, Amphoe Krathu (Tel: 076340454) 5 rooms: 700-3,000 baht
 * Villa Atchara (วิลล่า อัจฉรา) 4 Soi Phrabarami 4, Tambon Patong (Tel: 0 7634 0700, 0 7634 0353), 19 rooms: 2,200-3,500 baht
 * Le Tong Beach (เล ตอง บีช) 1 Soi Phrabarami 4, Tambon Patong (Tel: 0 7634 2710, 0 7634 2467 Bangkok Tel: 0 2539 7345 www.letong.com), 29 rooms: 800-1,800 baht
 * Malibu Island Club Hotel (มาลิบู ไอร์แลนด์ คลับ โฮเต็ล) 2 Soi Phrabarami 7, Phrabarami Road Tambon Patong (Tel: 0 7634 2321, 0 7629 0036), 30 rooms: 900-3,500 baht
 * Nerntong Resort (เนินตอง รีสอร์ท) 6 Soi Phrabarami 7, Tambon Patong, Amphoe Krathu (Tel: 0 7634 0571-2), 30 rooms: 1,800-2,300 baht

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 21:57, 15 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Kaliningrad

Eat listings
Here is a rather useful site for mining listings. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:14, 7 September 2007 (EDT)

Train connection from Poland
Is it possible that there is no train connection from Gdynia to Kaliningrad anymore? The link to the Polish Railway website posted in the article does not deliver a schedule for said route.
 * Yes That connection works on and off for past few years.(WT-en) Jjtk 17:47, 9 January 2012 (EST)

Fishing village
This is very vague and not helpful: Which fishing village? What is its name (english/russian)? How do you get there? I suppose there isn't just one fishing village in the Kaliningrad oblast.

Alternative banner for this article?
I created a new alternative banner for this article (I initially created it first and foremost so that it would be used at the top of the parallel article in the Hebrew edition of Wikivoyage, yet I later decided to also suggest that the English Wikivoyage community would consider using it here as well). So, which banner do you prefer having at the top of this article? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 04:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

 * Hi. I don't know the city, but is the curvature in the alternative banner real or an artifact of some kind of file editing? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:46, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

 * Current banner shows the Cathedral, an important and easily recognizable landmark. The proposed banner shows... well, I don't know what it really shows and how this view can be typical of the East-Prussian Koenigsberg-Kaliningrad. I would strongly recommend the Hebrew-speaking community to concentrate on the article itself or at least learn something about the destination before proposing new banners. --Alexander (talk) 11:03, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

 * Alexander, this is just a suggestion... your input and knowledge about this location is important, as we can now take a more informed decision about which banner to use. Thank you.
 * Wikivoyage currently has 26,849 articles in the main space... out of those articles... around 16,000 articles still need custom made banners. Although I agree that ideally, all of the 26,849 banners should probably be only created by local experts like yourself (whom would also know how to create good compositions and would have knowledge in photo editors like Photoshop), this is impossible to do. In reality only a very small group of people are creating the Wikivoyage banners in a slow gradual process, AND in many cases some of these few banner creators have never been to the destinations they are creating banners for. You see, I have no way of knowing if the current banner Kaliningrad_banner.jpg was created by a local expert or not. But nevertheless, having discussions like this one we are having here, with local experts like yourself, helps clarify what the better choice is. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 12:39, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

 * talk, I really still do not understand why you just don't use the English Wikivoyage banner in this scenario and concentrate on those 16,000 articles that actually need the custom banners. Do you actually look at the English article before spending your (self measured) 30 minutes creating a new banner? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:03, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

 * Keep the original which is better and doesn't have the weird curvature. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:03, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

 * Agreed with Alexander and Andrewssi2: enough of this business with making banners for articles that already have them. The community has already spoken that it's an unnecessary waste of time and potentially discouraging for other banner creators. The fact that it continues, frankly, raises questions of issue-forcing and willingness to "let it go". -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 13:11, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry but every once in a while I will be suggesting new alternative banners be used in the discussion pages of the English Wikivoyage, whether you like it or not. Again, these banners are ALWAYS created first and foremost for usage on the Hebrew Wikivoyage (which means basically they would be created and would exist on Wikicommons regardless of policy or opinions of some users on Engvoy). Either way, if you still feel strongly about preventing people from suggesting we use new alternative banners on Engvoy, you are more than welcome to try suggesting that the Engvoy community would have new official rules preventing users from suggesting new alternative banners be used (for example, you could suggest that there would be a rule that the first banners to be added to an article should remain on it forever OR that banners created by certain users should remain on Engvoy articles forever). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 13:58, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

 * Keep Wikivoyage fun doesn't have to be a detailed policy page. You do great work most of the time, but it's been observed many times that you are not using your time efficiently by trying to make even better banners than already quite good banners that are in en.voy articles, and instead, you should strongly consider using those banners for the Hebrew site, too, and making banners for articles that don't yet have them. Asking you to please respect that some of the more productive contributors to en.voy have been unhappy about your numerous proposals to substitute banners for already good banners doesn't have to be made into a policy. "I'll do it whether you like it or not" is not a very friendly attitude, and while I can understand that kind of reaction to being called out the way you were above, it seems to me, that's been your attitude about banners from the start. Wikis require and rely on cooperation. Some people feel you haven't been cooperative, and that's why you are now evoking angry remarks from some. Nothing personal from me, by the way: I am not the least bit angry with you and enjoy the discussions about the merits of different banners, but I wish you would be respectful of the type of atmosphere your efforts are creating here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:12, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

 * I am respectful to people when I create new banners AND when I re-edit articles, and people should be respectful of my efforts as well. The main reason I emphasized that these banners will be created either way is because they are created for a different edition of Wikivoyage. I probably wouldn't have invested my time in trying to create alternative banners, if these banners wouldn't have been used first and foremost on the Hebvoy articles. It is important that people whom think I am wasting my time, because many of these banners aren't used, understand that they are used in the pages I initially intended them to be used on.

 * Either way, just like all the other Wikimedia projects Wikivoyage is a Wiki in which content keeps on being developed and improved, whether it is text or graphics, even though the original creators might in many instances disagree that the new additions or changes improved what they originally created. We must remember that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and therefore, when one user is certain that a specific article already has a good banner, other users might disagree with that assertion. Therefore, there is no real way of knowing ahead of time if a the current banner existing is good enough or not (unless there are official rules about this). The best solution to overcome any differences on such matters has always been to have discussions on such differences of opinions in the discussion pages, and let the community consensus + insight of the locals help us eventually determine what would be best to include. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 14:59, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

 * Am I right that you've chosen not to use any of the banners that were created for en.voy on heb.voy, and instead are going about creating all your own banners from scratch? Why are you not using good banners that were already created? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:25, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

 * No, that is incorrect. I like most of the banners used on Engvoy! Overall the Engvoy banner creators have done an excellent job over time, which definitely is a great help to all of the editors of the other Wikivoyage editions as these banners help set the foundation for the other Wikivoyage editions, and over time helps get the attention and inspiration to the potential editors in the other Wikivoyage editions. Although I have created various alternative banners for some PROMINENT articles (mostly banners of major cities and countries that in my opinion should have better banners on the Hebrew Wikivoyage at the very least), if I am not mistaking, over time I have mostly created banners for articles that did not have any banners at all. Either way, on the long run my work would definitly focus on articles without banners - as of now the Hebrew Wikivoyage is currently missing banners for around 200-300 articles (which is not bad at all as Hebvoy has 2,170 articles), and over the next year or two I plan to create most of those banners. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 22:51, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

 * While I don't always prefer ויקיג'אנקי's banners, I think it is their right to work on the field they want to focus on. This is a volunteer effort, for every 1 volunteer editing Thouars there are 10000 volunteers editing Paris even though Paris is more or less perfect... that does not mean we should frown on volunteers who make mundane changes to the Paris article rather than developing stubs. Syced (talk) 09:11, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

 * I will add that my main contributions are not minor additions at all - I have been investing most of my time and efforts to the creating a good foundation for the Hebrew Wikivoyage, gradually developing a core of 2,000+ articles almost completely by myself since early 2013 (haven't figured out yet why the Hebrew speaking Wikipedians or the general public whom speaks Hebrew aren't helping out). At this point in time, I tend to put a lot of effort to improving the visual appearance of the Hebvoy stubs in addition to translating a lot of articles+text segments. Those efforts also include the creation of better banners to prominent articles, and mostly for cities and countries. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 12:44, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

 * Good examples for some of my best work on Hebvoy - the translation of the Israel article (169,025 bytes) + the translation of the United States article (373,848 bytes). Work like that would go unnoticed on Engvoy, but I just want to point out that creating new/better banners is just a one portion of my contributions. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 13:34, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Kaliningrad Oblast

Woah! This got all listy--again, I have to ask, is this really helpful to most travellers? Personally it would scare me away from even looking further. Just like we don't want to list every restaurant in a city, we also don't need/want to list every possible political, geographical, cultrual, administrative, division and subdivision for a destination. I suggest again moving the district stuff to a Talk:Kaliningrad Oblast/hierarchy page until it's worked out. (WT-en) Majnoona 16:48, 1 Feb 2004 (EST)

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Talk:Kaliningrad Oblast/hierarchy

Subdivisions

 * Districts
 * Bagrationovsk District
 * Gvardeysk District
 * Guryevsk District
 * Gusev District
 * Zelenogradsk District
 * Krasnoznamensk District
 * Neman District
 * Nesterov District
 * Ozyorsk District
 * Polessk District
 * Pravdinsk District
 * Slavsk District
 * Chernyakhovsk District
 * City/Town subjected territories
 * Sovyetsk Territory
 * Neman Territory
 * Svetlogorsk Territory
 * Pionerskiy Territory
 * Svetliy Territory
 * Kaliningrad Territory
 * Baltiysk Territory
 * Chernyakhovsk Territiry
 * Gusev Territory

Kaliningrad Oblast is as big (or little, depending on your point of view) as a half-Belgium (approx. 15,1 km², while 205 km from east to west and 105 km from north to south), so it will be useful, I guess, to mention the subdivisions (or regions). Though, to make it easier, it will be good to not to mention most of the town/city territories, with exeption of Baltiysk Territory, because it's quite large. The territories will be described alongside with the districts where they are situated. As Kaliningrad and Sovyetsk territories are not belonging to any province, they should be discribed in the articles for corresponding cities. It also make sence to remove the links for the most cities/towns, with exeption of Kaliningrad, Chernyakhovsk and Sovyetsk (biggest ones) from the Kaliningrad Oblast article to the articles about corresponding districts.

User:(WT-en) Kneiphof 19:41, (CET)

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Talk:Kalispell

The statement that Kalispell is estimated to be the largest city in Montana by 2010 is either erroneous or mistated.

title: Talk:Kalispell


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Talk:Kallil Temple

This has a lot of great information in it, but I'm not sure if it should have it's own article according to our Project:What's an article? policy. It may be better off as a Get Out subsection of Kalady. (WT-en) Maj 01:04, 22 December 2006 (EST)
 * Also, it is a direct copy edit of the Wikipedia article: . (WT-en) WindHorse 01:06, 22 December 2006 (EST)

Kallil Temple
Doesn't seem significant enough to warrant own article. Current info is a direct copy edit from Wikipedia:. Have added name of temple with basic info to 'get out' section of article for Kalady, the nearest center of population. (WT-en) WindHorse 01:19, 22 December 2006 (EST)
 * Then shouldn't it be a redirect to Kalady? I think most attractions in a Get Out section should be redirects to that article... (WT-en) Maj 01:21, 22 December 2006 (EST)
 * Sure, redirect is a better option. (WT-en) WindHorse 01:23, 22 December 2006 (EST)
 * Have redirected to Kalady. (WT-en) WindHorse 01:26, 22 December 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Kalpakkam

What used to be here...
people-who stay here are mostly employed in neuclear power plant. kendriya vidyalaya -cbse
 * kalpakkam
 * schools

sadras,pudhupatinam,shopping centre,beach indira gandhi atomic power plants uranium 235,uranium 238,boron,plutonium neuclear fission neuclear fusion
 * places of visit
 * place of employment
 * chemicals used
 * reactions involved

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Talk:Kalugur

VFD Discussion
Can't find any information on this place or the alternate name suggested.
 * Delete, or redirect if someone can find an appropriate place to redirect. - (WT-en) Texugo 20:22, 13 December 2010 (EST)
 * Redirect to Karur (man, was that obscure). --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:41, 29 December 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Kalyani

I removed these direction on how to get to Kalyani. The ones I left in were a little clearer.

 * To get to Kalyani from Netaji Subhash Chandra Basu International Airport take the Jessore road [NH 34] and come straight towards north to the crossing at Duck-Banglow in Barast town. From this crossing take a left road, if you are confused dont hesitate to ask anybody on the road. The left road [NH 34] goes straight to North Bengal. Take this road and go along with it till Jagulia, crossing the jagulia bus stand you will see a Border Security Force Camp [B.S.F Camp] on the left side of the road. just a little after the camp a you can see a road to left, this road leads to Kalyani. Its nearly 45 km from the Airport.

-- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 21:58, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Kamaishi

Paragraphs out to be split into entries
There's a lot of information here, I think, but it's hard to parse. The paragraphs ought to be split into lists, where reasonable, to make things easier to read. -(WT-en) Orcrist 08:33, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Kamakura

Fuji over Kamakura pic

Fuji is exceptionally clear in this photo, but it's a fluke, not a fake -- see eg. this for lots of technically less competent renditions of precisely the same scene at slightly different angles. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:54, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Sorry, there is just no way. I've been to this beach and to Mt. Fuji in person.  Even from the town at the base of Fuji it does not appear this big, it is not even visible at all from this beach.  I'd maybe buy that on a really clear day you could see Fuji way in the distance, but there's no way it goes from as huge and clear as it is in these photos to totally nonexistent based on a "fluke". —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 173.75.5.123 (talk • contribs)

 * Sure it can be, just pull out a longer focal length lens; the link above has plenty of examples. You can get equally dramatic shots of Mt. Rainier from Seattle, and it's about the same distance away.   -- (WT-en) D. Guillaime 23:42, 23 April 2010 (EDT)

 * The link you provided even says "Handheld single exposure with a long lens, shot from the South Beach at Discovery Park. Makes it look like that little hill is in our back yard ;-)" Pretty much admitting that it's a photographic trick, should we really be using trick photography as example photos on wikivoyage?  —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 173.75.5.123 (talk • contribs)

 * If you're honestly claiming that a handheld camera's zoom lens is trick photography and should be removed, then we'd probably lose every photo on the site that wasn't taken with a fixed-focal Polaroid. It's certainly no trick in practice: through a standard set of human eyeballs, Rainier truly does dominate the Seattle skyline like that on a clear day (95 km distant); Fuji's 75 km from Kamakura, only a few hundred meters shorter, and has that lovely dramatic cone shape to boot.  Still more than far enough away to disappear in even moderate haze, but easily resulting in a beautiful and unmodified photo in the right weather.  — (WT-en) D. Guillaime 23:20, 9 May 2010 (EDT)

Get Around Hike
I did the hike described in the get around section today, it's an excellent walk. I added a few more details about how to get to the start of the hike via the JR Line and that you don't need to pay the temple fee to get access to where the hike starts. (WT-en) Rodeoclash 04:52, 14 October 2011 (EDT)

Suggested banner
Here is a banner suggestion. /Yvwv (talk) 03:50, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

 * It's always good to record the existing banner, in case it's changed:

 * I agree that your suggestion is an improvement. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:56, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Second suggestion. /Yvwv (talk) 04:01, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

 * I prefer your first suggestion, but let's see what other people think. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:46, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

 * I was hoping to find a picture from one of the famous temples (particularly the hydrangea ones) but was disappointingly surprised that there aren't many good pictures of Kamakura's temples. The reason I looked was because I kind of like the daibutsu image that is the first image which will need to be deleted if the banner features the same thing. With that said, I kind of like the third one with the cherry blossoms if the words don't obstruct the daibutsu. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:29, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

 * The tricky part is to find pictures with an aspect ratio suitable for a banner. Most pictures of temples are close-up. Speaking of which, we should find a better page banner for Japan. The current one seems generic to Asia. /Yvwv (talk) 14:55, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

 * I would prefer to keep the current banner because I also like the Daibutsu picture. That said, the proposals are better than the current one, and I prefer the first proposal because of the saturation (better color of the sky, more greenery, the statue feels more peaceful). — Fabimaru (talk) 18:53, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Kamari

Hi, My name is Dave, my wife & I went to Kamari last Year and the Alexander Restaurant had to be the best one there, very high quality of food and very very tasty ! We loved it so much that we are going again this year and no doubt will be making alot of visits to the Alexander.

hi, my name is Kelving and i a made my weading in Prince bar-restaurant.it was one in life time expirience .the place is unbeleivable and the staff working there is very friendly .i thing that is the only place in kamari that works with real profecionals.they made evrything perfect for us.is a place that you shouldent miss if you visit the ishland

Sunshine
Re this edit:

> ...maybe best pasta you ever tasted!!!

Morph, why you removed the above piece? In my opinion, it doesn't look like touting, and it conforms to the Project:Tone. Did you have personal experience with this place, or do you have negative reviews in hand for removing this piece? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 12:57, 21 January 2008 (EST)

 * No experience at all, but this sounds like a boast that any pasta-shop owner might make. Presumably the place has great pasta or wouldn't be listed. Hey, change it back if you like. -- (WT-en) Morph 13:04, 21 January 2008 (EST)

 * I restored the above piece. I don't have experience with this place, but I also have no grounds to consider this review as a touting [by owner or whoever else]. Decisions like this are not always easy to make, but if we don't have reason to treat someone as guilty, I would assume good faith. However if you feel like inviting more attention to this issue, please welcome to do so. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 13:16, 21 January 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Kamchatka

Koryakia
Copied from User talk:(WT-en) AHeneen and User talk:(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald

While I fully support it (didn't even know the peninsula was split up into two oblasts/krais or whatever it is up there), I think you should at least notify Peter before messing around with the Russian Hierachy - as I understand it, he spend quite a bit of time organising the damn stuff. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 20:23, 24 February 2009 (EST)

 * I merged the couple of sentences about Koryakia with Kamchatka and turned the former into a redirect page. Sertmann mentioned on my talk page that you spent a lot of time with the Russian hierarchy, so I thought I'd mention that here. Unless the Kamchatka article were retitled "Kamchatka Krai", the Kamchatka peninsula includes almost all of Koryakia...so to me it seemed like a no-brainer to merge the two. (WT-en) AHeneen 21:20, 24 February 2009 (EST)

 * As you probably know, not long ago Koryak Okrug & Kamchatka Krai were separate federal subjects, but Koryak Okrug has since merged into Kamchatka Krai. There are a ton of meaningful destinations in Kamchatka; far less so in Koryakia. My general feeling is that it does make sense to keep the regions separate, if only because nearly no one who visits Kamchatka actually makes it so far north into the wild as Palana. Therefore it might be wise to not burden visitors to Kamchatka with information about Koryakia, since it's irrelevant for the vast majority of them, and there is a clear dividing line to separate content (the old federal subject border). The two regions, while united by geography, are distinct in terms of culture, and more importantly travel infrastructure!

 * All that said, we're currently making major revisions to the Russian hierarchy on the Russian version, and our Russian colleagues know a lot more about these regions than we do. I intend to readjust the Russian regions hierarchy here once we've settled on a scheme over there, so we might as well leave the articles as you have combined them until then.  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:08, 25 February 2009 (EST)

 * I'll add that if we do keep the articles separate (and that is my inclination), it would probably be best to treat Koryakia as a subregion of Kamchatka, covered in that separate article. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:11, 25 February 2009 (EST)

Well, we've done the reorganization over there, and I've implemented it here as well. We haven't discussed anything in Asian Russia, though, since our regular users are all from European Russia. In any rate, Koryakia is a very well defined region, and aside from geography differs enough from pre-merge Kamchakta Krai, that I think it's worth keeping as a subregion of this article. That would allow us to discuss the geographic commonalities, as well as the more important information about the southern section of the peninsula, while saving information particular to Koryakia (culture, infrastructure, cuisine, etc.) to a separate article. The main reason for doing so is that the vast majority of travelers who visit the peninsula do not get so far north as Koryakia, even to Palana. Thus, we shouldn't clutter this article with information irrelevant to most visitors. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:35, 4 March 2009 (EST)

Images
PD and CC licensed images I came across while look for a map source on commons.
 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kamchatka_three_brothers_rdfr.jpg
 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wooden_houses_in_Esso,_Kamchatka,_Russia.jpg
 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Shiveluch_-_10_July_2007_-_iss015e16913_edit.jpg
 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pic0010150ret2.jpg
 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Koryaksky_Volcano.jpg
 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Avachinsky_Summit.jpg
 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kozels1.jpg
 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pic0010152ret.jpg
 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Zimina_volcano.jpg
 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Summit_of_Karymsky.jpg
 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Uzon_caldera.jpg
 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Shiveluch.jpg
 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Valley_of_the_Geysers.jpg
 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Petropavlovsk-cannons.jpg
 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Brown-bear-in-spring.jpg
 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Khangar.jpg

 * I thought the Three Brothers were off the coast of Sakhalin?  Or are there, um, two three brothers?  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:02, 4 March 2009 (EST)

Banner
Current one could mean any place that has mountains and snow. But I do like both banners tho. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:51, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Given there was no opposition, I went ahead and changed the banners. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:23, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Kameo

VFD Discussion

 * Delete - According to Google, this appears to be the name of a Japanese company, not a place. - (WT-en) Huttite 03:33, 24 November 2009 (EST)

 * There is now some content in the article. As it is only 15 mins from Hakodate airport though, my guess is it should be covered in that article? I have found a ref to Kameo School in Hakodate and this implies Kameo is a district of Hakodate I think? --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:32, 25 November 2009 (EST)

 * and a map here. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:36, 25 November 2009 (EST)

Let's keep it... I appreciate the need for oversight and realize that this action had good intentions, but obviously this deletion recommendation has jumped the gun. I worry that this action and others on the Wiki Travel Japan section recently (such as the editing of Sugamo and Komagome) are being influenced by a narrow perspective. Are we trying to make Wiki Travel Japan into a Lonely Planet type guide book? At this point in our project, I would prefer that we give more leeway to locals trying to introduce their cities... That means leeway with language use (correct errors but respect phrasing - No need to describe the price of Soba in a sarcastic way - although I did think it was funny) and leeway with the way things are categorized (there's no need to lump Sugamo into Toshima Ward, is there?). In short, let's err on the side of caution when we see an entry by a non-native speaker. This will allow more and more Japanese to take part in Wiki Travel which seems necessary, especially at this point in its development. By black turtleneck

This is a town of Hokkaido, so this isn't a company. By Mi

 * Keep See above. (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 07:25, 9 December 2009 (EST)

 * I can support keeping this while people add the info, but there are way too many Japanese destinations being created for places that don't need articles. I think this, as well as others, need to be merged. How long do we wait though? (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 20:43, 9 December 2009 (EST)

I understand your idea. However,Kameo has many good things. I think Hakodate has a lot of information.So,people don't have rection to Kameo. What do you think? By Mi —The preceding comment was added by 114.18.54.68 (talk • contribs)

 * Merge - Kameo is still a relatively small neighborhood of Hakodate, which is not big enough to have its article subdivided. I don't see any point at all in waiting till people add more information here before merging it. I doubt if there is too much more to add anyway, and the redirect will just help people realize they should add any info to the correct place, in the Hakodate article.(WT-en) Texugo 23:22, 14 January 2010 (EST)

 * Merge - If Kameo should have its own article, it would be a district of Hakodate, I guess, but Hakodate is not ready for districtification (and might never be), so there is no need for this article and its content could just as well be merged into Hakodate, (WT-en) ClausHansen 23:56, 14 January 2010 (EST)

I read everyone opinion,I felt it is good to be merger. by Mi

Result: Template:Merge added to the article -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:06, 2 May 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Kamianets-Podilskyi

Khotyn
"If you plan to go to the spectacularly located castle in Khotyn on your way to or from KP and Chernivtsi, you will almost definitely want to visit it in route as it is poorly connected, in a direct way, but sits almost exactly on the route between the two cities."

Poorly connected? There are buses running approximately hourly from Kamianets-Podilskyi to Chernivtsi passing by Khotyn.

 * Then go say so in the article :) --(WT-en) globe-trotter 16:49, 18 August 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Kamikumamoto

What's the relevance of Kumamoto Gakuen University?

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Talk:Kamioooka

I rewrote. I want to this content moved to Yokohama.

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Talk:Kamloops

Tod Mountain Ranch
I removed this listing since it won't be open until Spring 2009 (per their website). Once it's open, it should be worked into the Kamloops or Sun Peaks article as it looks like it will be a worthwhile listing. (WT-en) Shaund 00:11, 5 January 2009 (EST)

 * Adult oriented guest ranch offering horseback riding vacations in the summer months (May - October). In the winter months, offers affordable accommodation close to Sun Peaks Ski Resort and only 5 mins from the Cahilty snowmobiling trails.  Accommodation is in cute cabins and the main lodge has a magnificent stone fireplace, stunning views down the valley, a fab games rooms with pool table, shuffleboard, card table, board games etc.  Rates are all inclusive of meals and accommodation and all on-site activities. www.todmountainranch.com

Testing now, that URL gives me a site selling water pumps. Pashley (talk) 02:57, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

 * I'm creating a redirect from Tod Mountain to the Sun Peaks article which mentions the mountain but not this resort. That is perhaps not a good long-term solution. Can anyone improve it? Pashley (talk) 08:53, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Deletions
Removing things that seem to me irrelevant in a travel guide, & preserving them here.

From the Understand section:
 * An alternative origin sometimes given for the name may have come from the native name's accidental similarity to the French "Camp des loups", meaning "Camp of Wolves"; many early fur traders spoke French. One story perhaps connected with this version of the name concerns an attack by a pack of wolves, much built up in story to one huge white wolf, or a pack of wolves and other animals, travelling overland from the Nicola Country being repelled by a single shot by John Tod, then Chief Trader, thus saving the fort from attack and granting Tod a great degree of respect locally.

From History section:
 * The rival North West Company established another post - Fort Shuswap - nearby in the same year. The two operations were merged in 1813 when the North West Company bought the operations of the Pacific Fur Company. After the North West Company was forced to merge with the Hudson's Bay Company in 1821, the post became known commonly as Thompson's River Post, or Fort Thompson, which over time became known as Fort Kamloops. The post's journals, kept by its Chief Traders, document a series of inter-Indian wars and personalities for the period and also give much insight to the goings-on of the fur companies and their personnel throughout the entire Pacific slope.

 * Soon after the forts were founded, the main local village of the Secwepemc, then headed by a chief named Kwa'lila, was moved closer to the trading post in order to control access to its trade, and for prestige and security. With Kwalila's death, the local chieftaincy was passed to his nephew and foster-son Chief Nicola, who led an alliance of Okanagan and Nlaka'pamux people in the plateau country to the south around Stump, Nicola and Douglas Lakes.

 * Relations between Nicola and the fur traders were often tense, but in the end Nicola was recognised as a great help to the influx of Europeans during the gold rush, though admonishing those who had been in parties waging violence and looting on the Okanagan Trail, which led from American territory to the Fraser goldfields. Throughout, Kamloops was an important way station on the route of the Hudson's Bay Brigade Trail, which connected Fort Astoria with Fort Alexandria and the other forts in New Caledonia to the north (today's Omineca Country, roughly), and which continued in heavy use through the onset of the Cariboo Gold Rush as the main route to the new goldfields around what was to become Barkerville.

Pashley (talk) 02:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Kampala

Is all of wikivoyage so unprofessional and middle-class-biased?

There are instances of "IMHO" and positive references to "serious drinking" as well as a negative bias toward the alternate lifestyles when travelling to one or more of the authors of this article.

wikivoyage should strive to be a serious, progressive travel guide like LonelyPlanet, not a MySpace for middle class westerners going to Africa to find cheap beer. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 82.7.74.130 (talk • contribs) 31 Dec 2006

I have to say i agree, having visited Kampala i don't feel this gives a proper view of the city and somewhat makes it less exciting than it actually is, the drinking section should be cleaned up too.(WT-en) Plokt 14:48, 2 June 2007 (EDT)

 * I realize these are very old comments, but please plunge forward and edit anything that you can improve on. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 18:00, 30 June 2012 (EDT)

To Guide
User:G2G's edits have improved this article greatly. Is this a Guide, except for the lack of a map, or is there anything else that needs to be improved in the article before it can be declared to be at Guide status? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:34, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The article is still somewhat messy, plus, it'd be good to know how to get in otherwise than by plane. ϒpsilon (talk) 07:28, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Subdivisions of "Sleep"
I greatly appreciate the additional content that's being added, but I very much question dividing sleep accommodations into US dollar-valued price categories. What's the advantage to using dollars, rather than Ugandan shillings? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:49, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Visa requirements
Shouldn't these be at Uganda, rather than here? I copy this below in case you all disagree, and also in case this is of use in any of several country-level articles:

You will be required to pay USD100 for the single entry visa, so it is better to get the 90-day East Africa multiple entry visa which also costs USD100 and lets you also visit Kenya and Rwanda as well as Uganda. So have the money ready in cash (USD or UK Pounds) to pay at passport control - they do not accept credit cards. In any case check whether a visa is required before arrival for your specific nationality. Normally you will need to show an international vaccination certificate for Yellow Fever, but this rule is not applied strictly.

Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:51, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Safe or unsafe to walk around at night?
I moved the parts of these edits that were put into "Understand" into "Stay safe". Now, look at the text of that section, with the preexisting text in bold and the interpolated new comments in italics:

'''Kampala is a relatively safe city. It is fairly safe to walk or take matatus around some areas at night, but don't take unnecessary chances.' Kampala is not safe to walk around in after dark, especially if you are a white. It is assumed that all whites have money. It is also not safe to drive around, day or night, with your windows down or unlocked. Someone could reach in through the window and take your cell phone right out of your hand or open the door and take your laptop right off your lap.''

So which one is true, or is it somewhere in the middle? We can't have directly self-contradicting text in our articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:32, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Kamphaeng Phet

TAT Listings
I moved all TAT listings from the province page to Talk:Kamphaeng Phet/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 12:05, 5 February 2010 (EST)

Copyright
If anyone wonders about the similarities between my additions and the German version: The latter is almost exclusively written by me (under the user name Bujo), the texts are all mine and not a copyright violation. --RJFF (talk) 19:52, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Could you please check my language and style? If it is OK, I would like to upgrade this to "guide" status. --RJFF (talk) 12:58, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

 * No time right now, but perhaps someone else could check, or I may get to this later. Or you could just use your own judgment - anyone can change the status to guide, and it can always be changed back for cause. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:53, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

 * One quick thing is that, for better or worse, we don't use proportional thumbnail dimensions on Wikivoyage, so those will need to be (non-urgently) edited out. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:55, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

 * I don't have a problem with reducing the picture in the top section to standard format, but the Wat Sing image has such an unusual, wide aspect ratio that it would be tiny without some upscaling (see right). Also, I could not find any rule against using proportional scaling in the WV:Image policy. --RJFF (talk) 15:33, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Contentwise it is a guide article, I just wanted to make sure that it also meets linguistic and stylistic standards. --RJFF (talk) 15:37, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * You can put in a particular number of pixels. We've had long debates on proportional thumbnail dimensions and never attained a consensus in support of them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:27, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Get around
Hello It seems we have some conflicting views which we should discuss rather than revert back and forth.

 * 1) I find it helpful to highlight the means of transport discussed in this section. It makes it easier for readers to jump to a certain means they are particularly interested in, instead of forcing them to read the whole section even if some means of transport may be irrelevant to them. And this is the exact way to use boldface explained and endorsed in the WV:Creating emphasis guideline. I do not understand your rationale for suppressing the boldface.
 * 2) Yes, there is a section on songthaeos (I favour the official RTGS over "karaoke" transcription) in the Thailand article and linking to it is certainly helpful (thank you!). But some readers may be lazy to click it (especially when reading on a mobile device) and, more importantly, for offline users (some readers download articles as PDF or even print them) the link does not work at all. So, it does not hurt to explain roughly what a songthaeo is, as a very short side note in this article, does it?
 * 3) I do not want to argue over British vs American spelling, but I do not find it friendly if you repeatedly "correct" my spelling even though "e.g." without comma is perfectly acceptable in British English. The same applies to "traveller" vs "traveler" etc.

Kind regards, --RJFF (talk) 16:43, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Kamphaeng Phet/Listings

Amphoe Mueang Kamphaeng Phet
Kamphang Phet National Museum (พิพิธภัณฑสถานแห่งชาติกำแพงเพชร), located on Pindamri Road in Mueang district, houses ancient objects and other antique arts articles from various eras found in the provincial town. These include sculptured and earthen designs, heads of Buddha statues, traditional celadon products, sculptures of demons and celestial and human beings used to decorate Chedi bases or Vihans. It is open Wednesday-Sunday from 9.00 a.m.-4.00 p.m. More information at Tel: 0 5571 1570.

Kamphang Phet Province Museum (พิพิธภัณฑสถานจังหวัดกำแพงเพชร เฉลิมพร���เกียรติ) nearby is made up of groups of Central Region applied architectural style structures. There are exhibitions on the local history with replicas of the city, lifestyle and urban and hill tribal customs and traditions. It also displays the development of Kamphaeng Phet votive tablets and other resources. The museum is open daily. For more information, call 0 5572 2341. Major features in the Kamphang Phet Historical Park (อุทยานประวัติศาสตร์กำแพงเพชร) include archaeological remains of ancient sites such as Mueang Chakangrao to the east of the Ping River, Mueang Nakhon Chum to the west and Mueang Trai Trueng some 18 kilometres from the town to the southwest. Services from the Tourist Centre are available, the centre itself being located some 5 kilometres from town on the Kamphaeng Phet-Phran Kratai route. Chakangrao, the ancient Kamphaeng Phet town, had the same town planning concept as the old Sukhothai and Si Satchanalai, with separate zones for religious sites both within and outside of town limits. Structures are usually large and made of laterite. Religious sites on the west bank of the Ping River at Nakhon Chum are built of bricks and of smaller size. The Kamphaeng Phet Historical Park was declared as a World Heritage Site by the United Nations Education, Scientific and Cultural Organisation (UNESCO) on 12 December, 1991. Those who are interested can visit the park everyday from 8.00 a.m. - 7.00 p.m. Entrance fee is 40 baht. Those who wish to drive into the park will have to pay an entrance fee of 50 baht per car. For more information, please contact Tel: 0 5571 1921.

Ancient Sites within City Walls

 * City Walls and Old Fortifications (ป้อมและกำแพงเมืองเก่า) mark the boundary of the rectangular town area, measuring 300-700 metre wide and 2,200 metre long.

 * Wat Phra Kaeo (วัดพระแก้ว) is a large royal temple in town centre near a site believed to have been a palace. The temple itself was used on important city events and had no monks in residence. Major features include the principal Chedi with lion-adorned base and a round Chedi with elephant-adorned base. There are also other Chedis of different bases and remains of several chapels. Its boundary is marked off by laterite walls.
 * Second in size to Wat Phra Kaeo is Wat Phra That (วัดพร��ธาตุ) Here the principal Chedi is built of mixture of laterite and bricks with a 15-metre wide square base. The style is of Kamphaeng Phet architecture.
 * Sa Mon (สระมน) is the site of the palace located to the north of Wat Phra Kaeo with a square earthen wall almost touching the northern city wall. Surrounded the walls on three sides are moats with a pond in the middle. There are no standing structures remaining today.
 * Wat Phra Non (วัดพระนอน) is fenced in by laterite walls on four sides. At the front of the temple are a square-shaped pond, bathrooms and an ancient floating pavilion which is supported by a large laterite column. The entire column was cut out in one single piece from its source and measures 1.1 meters on each side and 6.4 meters in height, the largest such stone in the country. A lion sculpture and Sema stones (boundary stones) can still be discerned. The large Vihan which once housed the Reclining Buddha has crumbled entirely.

Apart from these temples, there are also several ancient sites on the east bank of the Ping River, including Wat Arwat Yai, Wat Kalothai and Phra Ruang Road. Another ancient town is Mueang Trai Trueng. It was built by King Chaisiri of Chiang Rai who fled invading enemy in 1542 B.E. (circa 999). Today most of the structures are in disrepair with only ruins of Chedis and ramparts. The town is about 18 kilometres from Kamphaeng Phet on the Kamphaeng Phet-Khlong Lan road.
 * Wat Phra Si Iriyabot (วัดพระสี่อิริยาบถ) is located to the north of Wat Phra Non and have similar pond and bathroom facilities as its neighbour. Walls on the four sides are of laterite materials with an entrance also made of laterite. A Mondop structure houses Buddha statues in four postures-walking, sitting, standing and reclining in the Sukhothai artistic style. Today only the statue in the standing posture still remains.
 * Wat Phra Sing (วัดพระสิงห์) is believed to have been constructed during both the Sukhothai and Ayutthaya periods. With laterite walls, it has a square-shaped principal Chedi with arches on four sides. In front of the Ubosot are ornamental lion and Naga figurines.
 * Wat Chang Rop (วัดช้างรอบ) is a large temple situated on a high hill. Its main chedi of Ceylonese style is in the middle of the yard but its top part is broken down. The base is adorned with 68 half-elephants between which are Bhoti-shaped designs. There are also traces of demon and female dancers’ figures remaining.
 * Mueang Nakhon Chum (เมืองนครชุม) is an ancient town on the west bank of the Ping River. Its 2-3 metre-high earthen walls run along the waterway. It is in this area that the famous religious tablets of Kamphaeng Phet have been discovered. Within the city walls are a couple of ancient sites such as the Kamphaeng Pom Thung Sethi (กำแพงป้อมทุ่งเศรษฐี) located on Phahonyothin Road just before entering the town. It is part of the laterite fortifications 83 metres long and 6 metres tall.
 * Wat Phra Borom That (วัดพระบ��มธาตุ) is a temple situated in the centre of Mueang Nakhon Chum featuring a Burmese-style Chedi. To the south is an Ubosot housing several Sukhothai- and Ayutthaya-style bronze Buddha statues. The Chedi itself is believed to originally have been a Sukhothai-type structure, its style having been altered during a restoration work financed by a wealthy Burmese about a century ago.
 * Talat Kluai Khai (ตลาดกล้วยไข่) is on the Kamphaeng Phet-Nakhon Sawan highway at Km.343. Scores of roadside stalls display and sell both raw and ripe Kluai Khai (a type of bananas).

 * Phra Ruang Hot Spring ( Bueng Sap) (บ่อน้ำพุร้อนพระร่วง (บึงสาบ) is located at Mu 3, Tambon Lan Dok Mai, 13 kilometres from Kamphaeng Phet, 12 kilometres on the left side off Highway No. 101, Kamphaeng Phet - Phran Kratai route. The 5 spots of hot spring naturally took place from under the ground. The temperature is approximately 50-65 degrees Celsius. From a test of the Ministry of Public Health, there is neither contamination nor diseases, which are too harmful in accordance with the standard. The service of bathing with mineral water is also provided within the area of the hot spring.

Amphoe Khlong Lan
Khlong Lan National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติคลองลาน) covers an area of some 300 square kilometres over mountain ranges to the west of the province. The highest peak is about 1,400 metres. Of mainly virgin jungles, it is the source of several streams which flow into the Ping River. The park headquarters is near the Khlong Lan waterfall about 60 kilometres from town on the route to Khlong Lan district (highway no.1117). Attractions within the park include the 95-metre high Khlong Lan Fall with scenic surroundings, and the Khlong Nam Lai Fall (น้ำตกคลองน้ำไหล), a 9-level cascade and located off Highway no.1117 at Km. 35 and 10 kilometres further on). The Kaeng Ko Roi (แก่งเกาะร้อย) (off Highway No.1117 at Pong Nam Ron intersection) is a group of rock formations jutting out of the stream looking somewhat like all islands. Visitors can camp overnight within the park.
 * Mae Wong National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติแม่วงก์) forms the border between Kamphaeng Phet and Nakhon Sawan and covers an area of about 894 square kilometres. Most of the land is rich in various types of plants. Along the Khlong Lan -Umphang route passing through the park's area, which leads up to the mountains, are several viewing points between km 81 to 115. At km 102 is a beautiful road-side waterfall. Other falls within the park include the Mae Krasa (น้ำตกแม่กระสา), Mae Liwa (น้ำตกแม่ลีวา) and others. To visit these attractions tourists need to go on foot and overnight in the jungle.

Amphoe Kosamphi Nakhon

 * Khlong Wang Chao National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติคลองวังเจ้า) is located in King Amphoe Kosamphi Nakhon, 43 kilometres from Kamphaeng Phet. This is an abundant forest with a density of naturally growing teak and beautiful waterfalls. Nearby the park, there is a hill tribe village, whose lifestyle is still traditional and interesting. Within the park itself, there are many attractions such as Namtok Khlong Wang Chao, Namtok Khlong Samo Kluai, and “Suan Phai”, a 2 kilometre- trekking route to observe the nature with 20 varieties of bamboo to study. Accommodation and tents, as well as, a Thai restaurant are provided in the Khlong Wang Chao National Park. For further information, please contact the Khlong Wang Chao National Park P.O. Box 69 Kamphaeng Phet 62000 Tel: 0 5571 9318-9, 0 5571 9244 or www.dnp.go.th.

Festivals & Events
The Nop Phra Len Phleng Fair (งานนบพระเล่นเพลง) is held during the celebrations of Makha Bucha (around February). A tradition since the times of Sukhothai, it is described in the inscription stone found at Nakhon Chum of how processions were organised to pay homage to the town's major religious sites. The fair today consists of colorfully decorated parades of participants dressed in ancient attires crossing the Ping to pay homage to the Holy Relic on the Nakhon Chum side of the river. Kluai Khai Fair (งานสารทไทยกล้วยไข่เมืองกำแพง) is held in September each year to promote the local banana for which the province is famous. There are banana contests and competitions on the making of Krayasat (a local sweet), as well as many entertainment performances.

Buy
Kluai Khai (mini banana) is a famous produce of this province. Raw and ripe bananas as well as other local produces such as sticky paste (made of rice, bean, sesame and sugar) called Krayasat are available around the 343 km marker on the Kamphang Phet-Nakhon Sawan Highway.

Amphoe Mueang

 * Chakangrao (ชากังราว) 123/1 Thasa Road (Tel: 0 5571 1325-6, 0 5571 1315 Fax: 0 55711326 Bangkok Tel: 0 2279 5322), 120 rooms: 520-2,000 baht
 * Ko Chokchai (กอโชคชัย) 7/31 Soi Ratchadarmnoen Road (Tel: 0 5571 1531, 0 5571 1247), 57 rooms: 210-310 baht
 * Navarat (นวรัตน์) 2 Soi Prapanthesa Road (Tel: 0 5571 1106, 0 5571 1211 Fax: 0 5571 1961), 60 rooms: 600-1,800 baht
 * Phet Hotel (เพชรโฮเต็ล) 90 Wichit Road (Tel: 0 5571 2810-5 Fax: 0 5571 2927), 211 rooms: 500-2,500 baht
 * Ratchadamnoen (ราชดำเนิน) 114 Ratchadamnoen Road (Tel: 0 5571 1029), 50 rooms: 160-310 baht

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 12:08, 5 February 2010 (EST)

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Will add more on Drink, External Links, and Do sections later. - CloutierFan02

Will add pictures later. - CloutierFan02

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Wow, nice to see this article take off! I'm trying to recall the name of the place I've staid there... it's a big white building with a restaurant (excellent trout!) run by a nice Mormon (of course!) family... can anyone help me out so I can add it to the otherwise dull sleep section? (WT-en) Maj 19:45, 27 December 2006 (EST)

 * Staid, as defined by onelook.com: adjective: characterized by dignity and propriety. 8) -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 20:48, 27 December 2006 (EST)

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I moved the listings under the "Towns" section up to "Cities". My reasoning: there's no clear difference between a city and a town, and there's miniscule value to the traveler in having these in two different sections. Yes, a traveller may want to go to a small town rather than a big city, but they may want to know a lot more about these urban destinations, too. Smallness/bigness is just one axis of measurement. It can be made clear in the city description that city X is a village, town, megalopolis, etc. --(WT-en) Evan 12:29, 26 Nov 2004 (EST)

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VFD discussion
There are two VfD's related to this page:
 * Votes_for_deletion/October_2007
 * Votes_for_deletion/June_2012

Kanata
I'm not sure where this content belongs, actually. Should it somehow be merged into Ottawa? Or made a district? No options seem very good, but my hunch is that it shouldn't have its own article. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:21, 29 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Unsure. You pretty much sum up my feelings on this one.
 * Keep, at least until Ottawa gets districtified, if ever. It is a moderately large (tens of thousands) town some miles outside the city itself. (WT-en) Pashley 16:46, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect to Ottawa for the time being. Wikipedia's text on Kanata is interesting: "Kanata is a large suburban area in the western part of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada."  There is enough ambiguity as to the status of a place like this (and it's hardly unique among Canadian sort-of-towns) that keeping the pointer around, as a navigational aid, seems appropriate. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:05, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
 * It is more complex than that. The National Capital Commission created a Green Belt around Ottawa, a strip several miles wide of farms and parkland with almost no development allowed. Kanata was the first large community developed outside that Green Belt, very much a separate town at first (1970s?). The original project got some design awards. Since then, it has grown a lot and there was a merging of several municipalities so Kanata is now politically and administratively part of Ottawa, but it is still some miles from other areas and fairly distinct. This is definitely not a delete. I'd prefer it stay separate, but merge and redirect is OK too. (WT-en) Pashley 09:35, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Convinces me. I'm changing my opinion to keep, although of course some content is needed. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:53, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

Image
Do we really need two images of the same golf club? I live in Kanata, so I could get an image of the centrum or anything else. --(WT-en) Kanata Kid 17:48, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

 * Please do ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:19, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

It could be a little while before im able to get it but I will eventually. :)--(WT-en) Kanata Kid 09:29, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

Orphan
This article is not linked from higher levels of the hierarchy. While it's administratively part of Ottawa, the VfD discussion seemed to come to a conclusion that it was conceptually a separate travel destination. Either way, it needs to be linked either from Ottawa (probably with a rename to Ottawa/Kanata) or from Eastern Ontario. LtPowers (talk) 18:41, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

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Copyvio?
This huge slab of text appeared in one anonymous edit, making it distinctly dubious, but I can't find a single reference on Google for it. The formatting is not very Wikivoyagey though, so I'll park it here until the owner owns up. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:48, 16 January 2007 (EST)

 * Hi there. I wrote that, and it's certainly not a copyright violation. I'm not sure how much WikiTravel articles need to be sourced, but I have lived in this city for about 15 years and this is all based on personal knowledge (yes, it is accurate). I would be glad to re-sort it into proper WikiTravel format - I'm new to this game, and admit that the solid-block approach isn't ideal.

 * That's great! So basically, Wikivoyage is structured around things to see and do, so it would be great if the stuff about the castle was under the "castle" listing, etc.  I've quickly sorted out the info you contributed into listings, but you might want to consider a more structured itinerary as a self-guided tour for visitors? (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:01, 31 January 2007 (EST)

 * Thanks. Looks pretty good. I'll see what else can be done, and before I do anything I'll take a look at the links you provided about itineraries etc and see if it's a good idea to make one. If I do much more I probably should set up an account so I don't seem like some fly-by-nighter....

 * That would be a very good idea. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:12, 1 February 2007 (EST)

 * I have done so. Will work on the Wikitinerary later. (WT-en) Kagaland 05:42, 4 February 2007 (EST)

Mini-meetup?
So, it appears that we have at least two active Wikivoyagers in Kanazawa. I'll be dropping by on April 1-3 (no joke), so if y'all want to head out for a beer or something, drop me a line. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:12, 1 February 2007 (EST)

No Longer an Outline?
With all the new stuff, I think this is no longer just a mere outline, but a pretty detailed entry. Still could do with more work though. (WT-en) Kagaland 13:16, 23 February 2007 (EST)

 * Agree, but the next stage is or  . (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:18, 24 February 2007 (EST)

Daijoji
What was wrong with the Daijoji bit? (WT-en) Kagaland 01:55, 27 February 2007 (EST)

Is Nagamachi honestly an area where none of the original samurai houses remain? I've read the Lonely Planet Guide to Kanazawa, and they seemed pretty convinced that Nagamachi was genuine.

Lonely Planet is wrong. There are two or three original samurai houses in the area (three if you count the Nomura house, which was moved there early in the Meiji period, five if you add the two ashigaru [lowest class of samurai] houses that were moved there recently). The rest were torn down in the latter half of the 19th (and early 20th) centuries. Those that survived the dissolution of the samurai class and the selling off of their former estates vanished in the post-war period. However Nagamachi is indeed a genuine *former* samurai area. Many of the earth walls are genuine, remaining even when the houses vanished. Due to the socio-political changes of the Meiji period, very few samurai houses remain in Japan. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Kagaland (talk • contribs)

New Banner
To continue the Banner discussion, full list can be found at Talk:Japan. Tai123.123 (talk) 16:16, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

 * I like the new one. It's of higher quality, has better positioning, and the colors are nice. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 10:42, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The old banner is not bad, but the new one is slightly better. /Yvwv (talk) 15:02, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

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