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Talk:Chicago/Lakeview-North Center

Graceland Cemetery
In a very technical sense, the cemetery is actually in Uptown. But from an article writing standpoint does it make sense to keep it here? It seems like this district doesn't have a lot of sights otherwise. Although I think I remember reading that the Eastern entrance from the red line is now closed, so perhaps the main entrance is on the Lakeview side? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:38, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

 * bump  Any interest in transplanting the cemetery to here?  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:14, 13 November 2007 (EST)

 * I moved it from here to Uptown while I was working on the Uptown article. Once I got deep into the literature, I found that it's overwhelmingly considered to be in Uptown, and makes a nice match with the atmosphere/architecture of Uptown. The main entrance is close to Lakeview, but the vast majority of the cemetery itself would be in Uptown. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 21:22, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Bars
The 'Drink' section of this article is suddenly overstuffed. I edited it down to the bars that seem most compelling — here are the ones that got left out, in case anyone wants to advocate for them over one that remains. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 23:55, 10 May 2009 (EDT)

 * The Dugout Sports Bar and Grill, 950 W. Addison Ave. +1-630-917-5272.  11AM-1AM M-F; 11AM-2AM Sa-Su.  Vampires will like the sunless basement location right under the Addison Red Line stop.  Free peanuts.

 * The Full Shilling Public House, 3724 N. Clark St. +1-773-248-3330. 4PM-2AM M-F, Su; 4PM-3AM Sa.  Irish-themed sports bar known for great weekday food and drink specials.

 * Rockit Bar & Grill, 3700 N. Clark St. +1-773-645-4400.  11:30AM-2AM M-F, 10:30AM-3AM Sa; 10:30AM-2AM Su.  Downtown nightclub impresario Billy Dec’s foray into Wrigleyville opened in May 2009.  Jury is out whether the Cubs denizen will pay $19 for the Rockit Burger.

 * Mullens on Clark, 3527 N. Clark St. +1-773-325-2319.  5PM-2AM M,Tu,Th; 11AM-2AM W,F; 11AM-3AM Sa; 11AM-2AM Su.  Owned by former Chicago police officer Jim Mullen, who was shot and paralyzed in the line of duty.  Also shows Northwestern and Iowa State football games in the fall.

 * Bar Louie, 3545 N. Clark St. +1-773-296-2500.  11AM-2AM Su-F; 11AM-3AM Sa.  One of many in the city.  If you don’t like eating standing up, check out the back room, which often has open tables even when the front is packed (must order food to sit in the back).

 * Blarney Stone, 3424 N. Sheffield Ave. +1-773-348-1078.  5PM-2AM M-F; 11AM-3AM Sa; 11AM-2AM Su.  Family-run institution with fantastic deals on drinks.

 * The Central, 3466 N. Clark St. +1-773-880-2222.

 * Cubby Bear, 1059 W. Addison Ave. +1-773-327-1662.  Open Cubs home games 10AM-2AM M-F; 10AM-3AM Sa; 10AM-2AM Su; otherwise 4PM-2AM M-F; 11AM-3AM Sa; 10AM-2AM Su.  The perfect place to have beer spilled on you. Large bar known for having the largest women’s bathroom in the neighborhood.  Does get a great range of bands at night.

 * Dark Horse Tap and Grille, 3443 N. Sheffield Ave. +1-773-248-400.  4:30PM-2AM M-F; 11AM-3AM Sa; 11AM-2AM Su; open at 11AM for all Cubs home games.  A little off the main drag, this well-stocked bar also shows Michigan Wolverine and Pittsburgh Steelers football games in the fall.

 * Exedus II, 3477 N. Clark St. +1-773-348-3998.  9PM-2AM Su-F; 9PM-3AM Sa.  Reggae.

 * Fiesta Cantina (AKA “El Jardin Dance Bar”), 3407 N. Clark St. +1-773-975-5980.  7PM-2AM M-F; 7PM-3AM Sa.  Perfect place to black out after too many grain alcohol margaritas.

 * Fly Me to the Moon, 3400 N. Clark St. +1-773-528-4033.  5PM-2AM Su-F; 5PM-3AM Sa.  Piano bar that attracts a more mature crowd.  What’s it doing in Wrigleyville?

 * Harry Caray’s Tavern Wrigleyville, 3551 N. Sheffield Ave. +1-773-327-7800. 11AM-close W-F; 10AM-close Sa-Su.  Open at 10AM on game days.  A ball’s throw from the statue of Harry himself, this large two story bar inhabits the former Hi-Tops location.

 * Houndstooth Saloon, 3438 N. Clark St. +1-773-244-1166.  5PM-2AM Su-F; 5PM-3AM Sa; open at 11AM on home day games.  Southern homage to Alabama’s Bear Bryant and all things Roll Tide.  Not sure if Tigers yelling “War Eagle” are allowed in.  Naturally, Alabama football on TV in the fall.

 * Irish Oak, 3511 N. Clark St. +1-773-935-6669.  11AM-2AM Su-F; 11AM-3AM Sa.  Surprisingly authentic Irish food.

 * John Barleycorn, 3524 N. Clark St. +1-773-549-6000.  5PM-2AM W-F; 5PM-3AM Sa; also open 2 hours prior to home games.  Lincoln Park Trixies and their male counterparts will feel right at home.

 * Merkle’s Bar & Grill, 3516 N. Clark St. +1-773-244-1025.  5PM-2AM M-F; 11AM-3AM Sa; 11AM-2AM Su.  Inhabits the former Billy Goat outpost location.  Shows Illini and Iowa Hawkeye Football in the fall.

 * Moe’s Cantina, 3518 N. Clark St. +1-773-549-6000.  5PM-2PMW-F; 5PM-3AM Sa, also open 2 hours prior to home games.  If John Barleycorn opened a Mexican-ish joint…  oh wait, they did.

 * Moxie, 3517 N. Clark St. +1-773-935-6694.  5PM-2AM Tu-F; 5PM-3AM Sa.  Martinis are the specialty if the Cubs faithful need a break from beer.

 * Rebel Bar and Grill, 3462 N. Clark. +1-773-975-2010.  4PM-2AM M-F; 11AM-3AM Sa; 11AM-2AM Su, open at 10AM on game days.

 * Red Ivy, 3525 N. Clark St. +1-773-472-0900.  Cubs games hours 2PM-2AM M (11AM for day games); 11AM-3AM Tu-F; 10AM-3AM Sa; 10AM-2AM Su; Off season 5PM-2AM Tu-Th; 12PM-2AM F; 11AM-3AM Sa; 10AM-2AM Su; closed M-Tu 1/1-3/16.  Also shows Minnesota college football in the fall.

 *  Partner of the Metro (see above), which is next door. Smart Bar features touring DJs and a stable of high-caliber DJs-in-residence.

 * The Stretch Bar & Grill, 3485 N. Clark St. +1-773-755-3980.  4PM-2AM M-Th; 11AM-3AM F-Sa; 11AM-2AM Su; open 2 hours before all home games.  Formerly known as Tryst, this reincarnation since April 2009 serves drinks in mason jars.

 * Uberstein, 3478 N. Clark St. +1-773-883-0300.  3PM-2AM M,W-F; 11AM-2AM Sa-Su.  German beer hall inspired, but much smaller.  Great beers though.

 * The Yard, 3441 N. Sheffield Ave. +1-773-477-9273.  5PM-2AM M-F; 11AM-3AM Sa; 11AM-2AM Su.  Newer spot that serves beer in “yards.”  Beer garden in the back has cabanas that can be reserved in advance.

 * Vines on Clark, 3554 N. Clark St. +1-773-327-8572.  11AM-2AM M-F; 11AM-3AM Sa; 11AM-11PM Su.  This sister to next door’s Cubby Bear inhabits a notoriously cursed location.  The huge outdoor beer garden packs ‘em in on game days though.  Popular spot for the paddy wagon.

 * Casey Moran’s, 3660 N. Clark St. +1-773-755-4444. 10AM-close M-Th day games; 3PM-2AM M-Th night games; 10AM-2AM F; 10AM-3AM Sa; 10AM-2AM Su.  Crowd is better-dressed twenty-somethings who are willing to wait in the perpetual line that forms outside most game days.  Plenty of flat screens to catch every play.

Star?
Following the big addition and subsequent trim/organization of new Wrigleyville drink listings, this article is looking rather like a star to me. I don't know the area well, so I can't really judge completeness, but is there anything else needed here before a nomination (aside from the map update, of course). --(WT-en) Peter Talk 05:42, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

 * I don't believe so. The only area in which it was lacking was the Wrigleyville bar scene, and now that's a strong point. I'm confident the article covers the sights, restaurants, and the other bar scenes comprehensively. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 08:12, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

 * I've updated the map and added a few pictures (of varying quality) to fill out the page a bit. I think it's ready for a nomination. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:28, 13 June 2009 (EDT)

 * Actually, now that I've said that, I realize there is one thing on my mind. It seems like the music venues are split across "do" and "drink." What's the rationale for determining which goes where? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:30, 13 June 2009 (EDT)

 * "Would you go there regardless of whether there was a band you were interested in?" Definitely not for Metro and the Vic; Schuba's is closer, but still on that side of the line. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 17:15, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

Rancid nachos and date rape
Deleted for the second time the snide and inappropriate comment about rancid nachos and date rape. Unneccessary, insulting and just childish. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) User:Allioop (talk • contribs)

 * No, what goes on at the likes of Barleycorn is unnecessary and just childish — Wikivoyage encourages lively writing, which is what that comment is. You've done a great job identifying the best bars in Wrigleyville, but there are some terrible ones, too. Clark Street isn't all sweetness and Cubs on a Saturday night. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 16:56, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

 * I put in a special request for a restoration of that snide comment, as I hate to see lively writing and blunt criticism whitewashed. FWIW, Wrigleyville is definitely not my scene, but friends and family who enjoy it thought the earlier uncompromisingly critical version was hilarious. TimeOut Chicago liked Wikivoyage's [brutal honesty] as well. Of course, the original version was too critical to last, but I think the compromise version is a good one. A critical point of view (and alas, lively writing of any sort) becomes harder to maintain the more editors we have, but lets lean towards the prose that will keep readers chuckling.  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:12, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

Closed listings
The owners have opened a new place in the same location, "44th Ward Dinner Party", but I don't know anything about it. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 17:39, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

 *  It's not very big, but the trendy LBC is comfortable and has a great mid-20's/mid-30's crowd and refreshingly mixed clientele — gay and straight, black and white, nerds and fashionistas.

 *  Top-of-the-line fresh sushi.

Johnny passed away. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 00:59, 2 March 2010 (EST)

 *  About as far from the Wrigleyville bar scene as you can possibly get; this legendary, straight-outta-1974 tavern is owned by an old man, Johnny, who is well into his eighties. If he chooses to let you in — after you've rang the doorbell, and waited patiently for admittance — you'll enjoy cheap Czech beers and a time-warp.

Not technically closed, but not much going on there any more. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 22:52, 14 September 2010 (EDT)

 *  Live Bait is a good venue for small theater companies such as current residents The Artistic Home and solo performers to debut original plays or adaptations — no bad seats, and reliably interesting shows.

The IWW bookstore has relocated to 2036 W Montrose Ave in Lincoln Square. Their Facebook page has the current address. (WT-en) Eco84 07:46, 19 April 2012 (EDT)

 *  Bookstore for the radical union, the IWW.

Closed. (WT-en) Eco84 19:12, 19 April 2012 (EDT)

 *  New addition to the Southport corridor restaurant scene. Detroit (curses!) based hot dog and Greek diner joint. The countless Michigan transplants are going bonkers.

Closed. (WT-en) Eco84 19:58, 19 April 2012 (EDT)

 *  Not to be confused the beef bowl chain in Japan, but this Matsuya serves good, reliable sushi and tempura platters, and earns points for being an oasis amid the otherwise greasy food near Wrigley.

Closed. (WT-en) Eco84 20:10, 19 April 2012 (EDT)

 *  Fine dining and a fine atmosphere in the midst of Boystown, with a mostly carnivorous French-accented menu. Just an all-around nice place for a good evening with a friend, a date, or anyone visiting Boystown for the first time.

Closed. (WT-en) Eco84 20:15, 19 April 2012 (EDT)

 *  The food is made with love at this great little restaurant, run by a husband and wife. "Casablanca" is the perfect metaphor for the menu here, which surrounds colonial powers like Spanish, French, and Italian food with elements from Moroccan and Mediterranean. It's BYOB, and there's a liquor store across the street.

Was renamed Lina's Chicago Kitchen and separated from the other Leona's restaurants; heard they're now closed, though I haven't been over there and the website is still live. Gorilla Jones (talk) 00:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Chicago/Lakeview-North Center
Now that we have a sufficiently huge amount of 'Drink' listings for every corner of this article (and plenty more in reserve on the Talk page), I believe it's ready for a star. It covers one of Chicago's top attractions, Wrigley Field, as well as several major theaters and music venues. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 17:26, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

 * Support. Looks very solid and it's very fun to read. But now for the nitpicking: Anthropologie and Gaymart don’t have hours; Lincoln Restaurant, Nookie's Tree, The Chicago Diner, and Que Rico! have no prices, the Century Shopping Centre isn't on the map, and I think Digital Network Solutions is labeled as Computer Network Source on the map. Other than that, looks great. (WT-en) PerryPlanet Talk 18:57, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

 * Thanks for the scrutiny. I've added the hours & prices. I just noticed the Computer Network Source name change today. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 20:28, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

 * Support (surprise, surprise). If I had a problem with the article, I would have brought it up already. And I've updated the map. Great article from our resident ape, and a special thanks to Allison for pushing the drink section to star status. Unrelated, but I had a grand old time at Wrigley last Friday watching the Monopoly Man make a fool of himself. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 01:18, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

 * My, how time does fly. Last call on this one... (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 11:46, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

 * Support I only have one minor quibble - Music Box, shouldn't that read tickets or is that American slang for something? --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 17:54, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

 * "Ticker" is American slang for a heart...so, no, that was just a typo. Thanks for catching it! (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 18:28, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

Alternative banner for this article?
I created a new alternative banner for this article (I initially created it first and foremost so that it would be used at the top of the parallel article in the Hebrew edition of Wikivoyage, yet I later decided to also suggest that the English Wikivoyage community would consider using it here as well). So, which banner do you prefer having at the top of this article? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 04:21, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Wrigley Field? Yes, I think so - much more iconic. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:47, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * The title will clash more with the Wrigley Field sign than it does with the flag now. Both are nice banners, the current one quite brilliant, but the placing of the rather long title has not been considered when making either, apparently. PrinceGloria (talk) 15:22, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I made that banner for the Hebrew Wikivoyage where the title goes on the other side. Either way, following your comment I made a new banner in which the title does not clash with the Wrigley Field sign. Do you like this one better ? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 15:37, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * It is possibly the best you could do with the picture at hand, but I still find the effect clumsy - not that I don't appreciate your work, it is simply that this picture won't work as a banner here. PrinceGloria (talk) 16:13, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * So you still prefer the old banner over this option? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 16:20, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * I guess I would PrinceGloria (talk) 16:54, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Never been to this part of Chicago, but I like the current banner better. It's more interesting to look at. Danapit (talk) 17:58, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the problem with the proposed banner is that once you add the title and ToC, the eye gets drawn away from the Wrigley Field sign and to the traffic light, which isn't very aesthetically pleasing. Definitely prefer the current one. PerryPlanet (talk) 22:06, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Current Syced (talk) 08:06, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article? - second attempt

CC userd whom participated in the previous discussion: PrinceGloria, PerryPlanet, Syced, Ikan Kekek, Danapit ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 10:35, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

 * I support a change. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:49, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

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Dropped listing
According to a representative, they're special order only, and don't take visitors. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 13:23, 12 November 2007 (EST)

 *  Hand-crafted Swiss chocolate creations, dedicated to the art of chocolate sculpture.

Whirlyball
Whirlyball is actually just across the river, placing it in the Chicago/Logan-Bucktown district. Should we move it? Or does it make sense to group it with Lincoln Park? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:08, 8 December 2007 (EST)

 * Same goes for Green Dolphin St. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 01:15, 8 December 2007 (EST)

 * Sure, they can both move. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 03:11, 8 December 2007 (EST)

 * Consider it done. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:29, 8 December 2007 (EST)

Ranalli's
Description moved from article:

 *  Great pizza joint that also serves up a pretty good breakfast. But what really sets Ranalli's apart is their wonderful patio, which can actually seat more people than inside the restaurant. Great place in the warmer months even if just to have a drink and conversation with friends.

I'm inclined to strike this one from the list, as we already have several good mid-range pizza recommendations, and because my understanding is that this one isn't all that great. Ranalli's usually doesn't fare too well in the Chicago fast-food-erati pizza comparisons. Perhaps more importantly, Ranalli's fans contend that this is the worst of the three locations, and that it suffers from poor management. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:04, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Star nomination
Hmm. It appears we've put a star together for the frat boys. We can at least console ourselves with the knowledge that the article also includes Old Town, anyway. And it is, I think, a great and complete article. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:25, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Support. I think it does well by visitors with many different interests. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 18:42, 18 February 2008 (EST)

 * Support. Looks flawless, not to mention one of the most colorful neighborhoods I have ever heard of. You got the famous shooting of a famous bank robber, and a hot dog joint where the main attraction isn't the food, but profanity. How can you beat this? (WT-en) PerryPlanet 01:42, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Lincoln Park map
The Arlington International House (sleep listing #1) is now known as the Chicago Getaway Hostel. (WT-en) Eco84 15:55, 2 March 2010 (EST)

Closed listings

 *  Great English pub with two comfortable floors across the street from the Biograph. (And like the Biograph, it's rumored to be haunted.) A few literary clubs meet here for readings.

Red Lion is closed for renovations. When it reopens, lets put it back in the article. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:24, 11 June 2010 (EDT)

Dr. Grabow's Pipe Co.
I am doing some specific research on The Dr. Grabow Pipe Co. (my namesake) and am very interested in any facts or information on the company, part of the M. Linkman Co. of pipes which were headquartered in Lincoln Park for many years. Any info on Dr. Paul Grabow (the pipes namesake)? Where he worked? Was he a MD or PHD? The Co's headquarters was very close to the campus of DePaul Univ. Was Grabow a PHD Professor? It is pretty certain that he lived and or worked in the Lincoln Park area.

Jim Grabow LendrJim@aol.com

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Closed
I read that they might open up elsewhere, but they're closed here. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 19:53, 9 December 2008 (EST)

 *  Good Asian comfort food in a casual, BYOB setting. If you're confident in your constitution, it's the ultra spicy chicken basil where they excel.

Looks like this one is closed, but the head chef will reopen with a new branding as Table, Donkey and Stick. Most of the details will be the same. --Peter Talk 05:39, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

 *  A French restaurant with an Asian twist in Logan Square prepares astounding gourmet food you would normally find at a five star restaurant. They no longer do brunch or carry out, only seven course ($85) and thirteen course ($150) tasting menus are available now. Only two tables a night can order the thirteen course. BYOB makes it easier on the wallet than other fine dining establishments

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Talk:Chicago/Loop

Lead photo
This article sorely needs a lead photo - surprised to say, I don't have one. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 16:20, 15 June 2007 (EDT)

 * I'm sorry to say I never owned a camera while living in Chicago and won't be back until around October; so I don't have any either. I poked around [commons.wikipedia.org commons] and some other free image resource sites, but didn't see anything I felt was quite worthy of the lead spot. I'd really like to see a picture that manages to squeeze in a street scene, the L overhead, and some worthy architecture... --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:43, 16 June 2007 (EDT)

Push for Adequacy
This ain't ever likely to be a star - there's too much to cover - but the state of it seems to bring Peter considerable pain. So what do we need to make it, well, adequate? (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 23:34, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Source
Hmm... I've been taught to source facts and I just can't help it. The 9 million contracts worth over $4.2 trillion bit is from this Economist article. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:15, 12 December 2007 (EST)

 * The University of Chicago would be proud. (After they'd had a talk with you about priorities between travel guides and theses, that is.) (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 23:00, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Cellars Cafe
Description moved from article:

I'm a bit on the fence, but inclined to move this out of the article. I purposefully avoided listing restaurants that don't serve food on weekends, because most visitors will not be able to eat there, and because there are a ton of such restaurants in the Loop—we need to draw some lines to keep the length of the list down and to keep the map readable. Moreover, we already plug Ceres Cafe here, which is at the exact same location and owned by the same folks. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:45, 18 February 2008 (EST)

 * Ceres is nothing special, but Cellars is a Chicago experience. I would switch.  99.141.36.65 01:01, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

 * Fair enough, taking the recommendation and getting off the fence. For the record, here is the Ceres entry:

 * --(WT-en) Peter Talk 01:55, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Sears Tower crowds
The Sears Tower Skydeck entry says: "Avoid the worst of the crowds after 4PM." This is ambiguous; does it mean "the worst crowds are after 4PM" or "avoid the worst crowds by going after 4PM"? (WT-en) LtPowers 10:56, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, and I see they've got glass floors on the 103rd floor now. =)  .  (WT-en) LtPowers 11:51, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Yep, I think it's time to brave the hordes once more ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:04, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
 * But the question is, do the hordes show up after 4PM or before 4PM? (WT-en) LtPowers 18:39, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Good question, and one that I can't confidently answer. *Dangles banana* --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:00, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Wasn't either of us — looks like that line dates back to early 2005. I'd guess it means "the worst crowds are after 4PM", but I don't really know. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 23:48, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

map
Maybe add in some of the shopping areas, like outline 'em on the map like Mag. Mile, etc. on the Loop Map. It adds more familiarity and to me it looks more complete than just listings of stores. I dunno. You? Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 19:33, 5 November 2008 (EST).

 * Mag Mile is here ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:24, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Jeweler's Center
I removed the following listing, since I don't think it's necessary to list the individual stores within the Jeweler's Center, so long as we point visitors to the building itself.

--(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:46, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Closed listings

Belly up at the end of last year after 25 years at this location. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:46, 3 February 2009 (EST)

Argh...supposedly in talks with a buyer, but they're closed for now. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 15:18, 5 September 2009 (EDT)

Ouch. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 17:00, 19 September 2010 (EDT)

Star nomination
This is the downtown commercial district and the center of Chicago. For a long time it was a weak link, but it's now well filled out & supported by two walking itineraries. It's also got one of my favorite maps. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:25, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Support. I spend a fair amount of time here and the article feels comprehensive to me. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 18:42, 18 February 2008 (EST)

 * Support. After a very thorough scan of the article, I could only find one teeny, tiny thing: the Russian Tea Time restaurant is not covered in the map. Other than that, flawless. (WT-en) PerryPlanet 01:42, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * Whoops—that's a personal favorite of mine too (if the touty description didn't already give that away)! Fixed. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:32, 19 February 2008 (EST)

The Tower formerly known as Sears
Time to update the listing? --(WT-en) Jtesla16 19:21, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

 * The part that tourists would visit seems to be strenuously avoiding the name change, now simply referring to itself as "The Skydeck". I've updated accordingly. Between this, Comiskey/U.S. Cellular, and a few others, it may be worth writing a brief infobox for the main article that explains the difference between how various things are referred to differently by the diseased minds of finance executives and by actual Chicagoans. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 19:32, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Unless we're being derisive, I'd prefer we don't even acknowledge this attempted name change. Sears Tower definitely remains the most common name for one of the world's most famous buildings.  I at least hear people refer to Comiskey as US Cellular (not in my neighborhood though!).  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 05:06, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

 * I don't think the words "Sears Tower" should disappear from the article, but in virtue of being up-to-date I think it would be informative to mention the controversy. Probably the infobox is the best approach. --(WT-en) Jtesla16 07:06, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

 * It should at least be mentioned, the official website also calls it Willis Tower (and Willis Tower now gets more responses than Sears Tower on Google). --(WT-en) globe-trotter 17:56, 12 March 2010 (EST)

 * Huh, Google shows them getting roughly the same number of hits now. We already address the naming issue in the main article, so I don't think we need to go over the name change on every sub-article. Sears Tower still passes our rule of thumb test—what would you say to your taxi driver. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:09, 12 March 2010 (EST)

Hotels
Hotel Blake at 500 S Dearborn is now a Wyndham and doesn't have the restaurant it did when I visited. So I've removed it for now. Gorilla Jones (talk) 21:41, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

 * New hotel sounds nice. Gorilla Jones (talk) 19:07, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Maggie Daley Ice Skating Ribbon
Hi All, do you think that we should add something about the ice skating ribbon that is open each winter? In summer the path serves as a sort of skate path, I guess you could consider it that. There is a wikipedia article about it, with very little information. SewChicago (talk) 23:21, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

 * Sure, go ahead. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:31, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

 * You might start with a listing for Maggie Daley Park, which surprisingly isn't mentioned in the article. AlasdairW (talk) 23:46, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

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Tatra Inn
Closed...but they're looking for a new location and they have a phone message saying so, so that's cause for hope. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 22:05, 28 October 2007 (EDT)

 * A great Polish buffet, but be forewarned, they threaten to charge for "wasted food!"

 * Now that is a shame. I'll keep my eyes pealed for a reopening. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:42, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

title: Talk:Chicago/Midway Area


text:
Talk:Chicago/Near North

Navy Pier
I think the Navy Pier deserves to have its own article since there's a lot to do there.

 * Please see Project:What is an article. Navy Pier wouldn't qualify for an article all by itself. But we definitely need to have more information about Navy Pier, so please plunge forward and keep adding more about Navy Pier to this article. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 00:17, 14 July 2007 (EDT)

Tours
Those gangster tours and Old Chicago tours seem to operate from the Near North. Needless to say, I've never been on one and, barring the establishment of a Wikivoyage expense account, never will - but since it's an area of tourist interest, if anyone is aware of one tour being any better than the rest, it probably warrants mention. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 00:12, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

Push for Star
Lets see, I think with the following improvements, we can nominate this article for star status:

 * Map update (I'll have this done very soon)
 * Understand section, with some more detailed information about the various neighborhoods
 * Possibly a navy pier map? Would that be useful? As of now, all the navy pier listings are just lumped into "Navy Pier" on the district street map.
 * Some formatting standardization (punctuation in listings comes to mind)
 * Pictures, this article is short of 'em. A shot of the Magnificent Mile would be nice, but I haven't found any that aren't privacy violations. And not necessarily for this article, but IMO we need a good shot of/from the Michigan Ave Bridge.
 * Get out section
 * What is that Chicago River island and does it have anything of interest?
 * A hard think about the listings—it seems like there are near infinite possible listings, we should make sure we haven't missed anything important, and that the listings we are including are all worth keeping. As it stands, the article is quite long for a district article, although I suppose that is appropriate.

Starring this one will be tougher than the other Chicago districts, because it is both more important and more unwieldy, but it will anyway be good practice for the Chicago/Loop. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:49, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

I spend a lot of time in the areas covered here, and I don't think it's missing anything that ought to be recommended. Everything that I've ever heard someone speak positively of is here. (Millennium Knickbocker Hotel, Anthropologie, and Rosebud's are the only ones I haven't yet added but have meant to...maybe Grand Lux Cafe...friends give such violently conflicting opinions of Heaven on Seven that I've chosen to omit it, in light of how many Eat options we've provided). There's more that could be added, but all three Eat sections have nine or more, and Drink and both major Buy classes are way past that. I want to make sure we're providing a comprehensive set of recommendations, not simply a comprehensive set of listings.
 * There could be an Understand section about Fort Dearborn, Water Tower, some river chatter, and the birth of the Mag Mile, although the neighborhoods themselves don't deserve much detail - the intro says all there is to say about Streeterville as a neighborhood.
 * Navy Pier is just a long pier, a straight line, one attraction after another - I can't see that it's worth your time to map. There are so many pier maps as soon as you're there, and it's impossible to take a wrong turn into anything other than the lake.
 * Pictures are indeed weak. I've been waiting for a sunny day to bring my camera to work.
 * Not sure where to direct people for Get Out - the Loop is too obvious. Maybe Wicker Park for scruffier shopping.
 * Don't know anything about the river island.
 * Admittedly I am inconsistent with certain details of formatting. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 01:32, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

 * With the understand section, I was thinking of just fleshing out the existing intro a bit with some more history, and perhaps some information about the Rush St/Division St area? I would direct Near North visitors farther north (like Old Town), I think, since the North Side areas have a lot to do/see, but are less visited than downtown. And do you mind if I go through and standardize the formatting to match what I've done in other district articles? I haven't yet only because I wasn't sure if you preferred a different formatting style. Lastly, all I need to do with the map now is to re-enter the listings, but those listings lists are long and I'd like to feel pretty certain that we've settled on the listings to use. Would you please let me know if/when the listings have settled. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 11:02, 25 August 2007 (EDT)
 * I have no sentimental attachment to my formatting - it's just the quickest way I get the info in. By all means, reformat. You got the monitor issue sorted out, then? Map away, I will add no more. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 14:11, 25 August 2007 (EDT)
 * You have achieved a great thing with that map, sir. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 12:25, 26 August 2007 (EDT)
 * I too am really impressed with your mapmaking! It's really gratifying to see the mapmaking style being used to such good effect, and on a city which was home for 7 years to boot.  Thanks! -- (WT-en) Mark 03:12, 28 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Awww, shucks.. ;)  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:25, 28 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Stocked with photos. (I have a couple more, but I assume this is enough.) Walking around today, I wondered if Tribune Tower (which includes a Freedom Museum in the lobby, whatever that is) should be included here. It's covered in the associated itinerary and the skyline guide, but should it be listed here, too? Not sure. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 02:11, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

 * Sure toss it in and I'll jam it into that map. I think we're about done with this one. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:29, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

 * I hope so. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 03:11, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

Air and Water Show
I found a nice photo for this event, taken from North Avenue Beach. But I'm wondering whether this article is where this information belongs. Perhaps we should move it to an events section in the main Chicago article, as you can see the show from multiple districts? Or perhaps Chicago/Lincoln Park-Old Town would be a better home, since that's where we list North Ave Beach? --Peter 01:27, 14 September 2007 (EDT)

 * I guess it would have to go in the main article, then since it's easily visible from both areas. The Near North condos are packed with rooftop viewing parties that weekend. (Possibly visible from the Loop and Lakeview, too.) I agree that's a nice photo - I'm not a fan of the air & water show, though, so I wouldn't personally recommend it to anyone with much enthusiasm. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 16:19, 14 September 2007 (EDT)

Restaurants
Add ESPN Zone Chicago and Weber Grill to the "Eat" section, please. I don't know the appropriate price range. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 70.232.69.125 (talk • contribs)

Formatting
Strange formatting issues afoot. Do images overlap with text on anyone else's display? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:29, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
 * What's more, the star article icon has floated halfway into the article... --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:32, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
 * On mine the photo's are OK, the star is over "near north" of the breadcrumbs and I am hearing those voices in my head again. (WT-en) 2old 13:48, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

Listings saturation
This article is saturated with listings. While yes the current set of listings may not be perfect, and yes there are other listings that probably should be on here, the article risks bursting at the seams. In particular, the map is already right up against the bursting point. I think we should therefore hold newly added listings to this article at a higher standard than we do elsewhere on Wikivoyage—listings with significant detraction in available reviews should probably not stay in the article.

I bring this up mostly because of the addition of the ESPN Zone chain. Not only is it a national chain, it is one of poor quality food at high prices with spotty service, almost universally recognized as a tourist trap. Plenty of people do enjoy this atmosphere, but it's not hard for a tourist to find a tourist trap, and the establishment is just not in the same value/quality of the other listings on this very crowded page. So I don't think we should recommend it, and I think we should set a precedent of trimming shaky recommendations from the page generally. We do have one major tourist trap in the article (Navy Pier), but that is because it is such a prominent attraction (despite its "trappiness") that to overlook it would seem an important omission. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:30, 21 December 2007 (EST)

 * I'd like to reiterate the point about trimming listings from this page, in particular added listings located near or on the Mag Mile. Unless new listings are properly formatted to a tee, and there is a compelling case made (either on the talk page or within the listing's description), I think they should simply be removed. Personally, I'd be much more amenable to new listings added to River North, River East, and the northwest section of the district, since those areas are not so saturated with listings (River North actually seems a bit dry to me). --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:57, 11 February 2009 (EST)

Millenium Knickerbocker
On their website it sounds like it's going to be under construction through next year, should we note that in the article, as that may affect people's wanting to stay there... I'm asking here first in case Gorilla Fitzgerald knows better – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 14:50, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Misplaced listing
This hotel listing was added to the Chicago article. I'm disinclined to add it here because we have far more than enough mid-range hotel listings already. But it's legit. I was quoted a rate at $265 per night while checking it. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 08:13, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Chaff
Should be separated from the wheat in that very long sleep section. In my opinion we don't need more sleep listings, although we might stand to do a better job of selecting them. In any rate, I'm dumping any and all newly added sleep listings from this point on here, and we can discuss whether to include them, and which currently listed hotels we should replace. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:34, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

Closed

Argh. They said they're looking for a new space in the area. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 15:24, 5 September 2009 (EDT)

Windows are papered over. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 00:10, 12 January 2010 (EST)

Public space now closed. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 13:35, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

Moved out of town. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 13:38, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

Website gone, phone diconnected. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 14:05, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

Closed, sigh. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 18:32, 12 September 2010 (EDT)

Star nomination
Probably the most-touristed area of Chicago, particularly for shopping's sake. We have a ton of Buy listings (which weren't easy to come by on my empty wallet and absent fashion sense) and jam-packed Eat sections as well. I work around here, so I walk past many of these places on a fairly regular basis, meaning that I'm confident the listings are reasonably up-to-date. (And I realize I'm jinxing myself by saying so.) If nothing else, check out the gigantic raft of listings that Peter's map has to contend with. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 03:21, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

 * Support. This was a tough article, but I feel quite confident about it now. Critical feedback is definitely appreciated, though, because this is arguably the most important district article in Chicago—I'd like to see it done perfectly. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:42, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

 * Support. Beautiful article. Great pictures, good listings, great map! (WT-en) PerryPlanet 23:04, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Support. You fellows did an great job. Wish I could do as well! (WT-en) 2old 10:28, 1 September 2007 (EDT)

Last call for comments. Please chime in if you haven't already. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 23:50, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

 * Support. Yep, another beauty from the Star factory twins. MoS looks perfect, pictures complement the article, and you even give advice on free internet at the Apple store... seems you've thought of it all – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 00:25, 11 September 2007 (EDT)

The Peninsula
For a star article, I think the hotel description of the Peninsula should be improved. To describe it as one of the cities most luxurious, and the recipient of some motoring services award, sounds very much like the thousands of other hotel listings we see posted here by hoteliers themselves. If it really is the most luxurious (whatever that means) perhaps a brief description of what makes it so. --(WT-en) inas 19:23, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

 * I took a stab at it. Chain hotels, splurge and budget alike, are hard as hell to describe well without it turning into a yelp. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:16, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

 * Better. Certainly reads more like a guide now, rather than a advert.  On another note, I wonder how much the presence of Plasma/LCD TV sets in a hotel room is really relevant in 2009.  I would have thought the presence of a CRT TV in a Chicago downtown hotel is probably more notable now!  --(WT-en) inas 20:29, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Typo on Image:Near north map.png
Kendall College Dining Room (Eat #14) is listed as Kendall Collge Dining Room. (WT-en) Eco84 21:25, 21 January 2010 (EST)

 * Fixed. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:06, 21 January 2010 (EST)

Hotels
The Wyndham at 633 N St. Clair is now a Hyatt, and the Comfort Inn at 15 E. Ohio St is now something called The Acme Hotel Company which sounds a bit too Looney Tunes for my comfort. Anyway, I haven't visited either of the hotels in their new versions, so I've removed them for now. Gorilla Jones (talk) 20:38, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

 * New hotel & hostel replacing the Tokyo Hotel. Gorilla Jones (talk) 19:10, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:Chicago/Near North


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Talk:Chicago/Near South

Before starring

 * Understand - I think an understand section would be useful, and we could create the bulk of it by just moving in the museum campus, prairie ave, and printer's row descriptions.
 * South Loop - We've bandied this vague term about, we should probably explain what we mean by it, and we should probably do that in the understand section.
 * Break the Sleep section down by price categories?
 * Note that Grant Park is covered in the Chicago/Loop article.

--(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:10, 8 August 2007 (EDT)

 * I'm disinclined to divide up the Sleep section, since the five listings are not dramatically dissimilar in price. But we'll see what the reviewers say. I think I've got the rest. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 02:30, 9 August 2007 (EDT)

 * OK, I'm definitely satisfied. And I've put the finishing touches on the oh-so-shiny map. Put this up for star status whenever you deem fit. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:18, 9 August 2007 (EDT)

Closed listings
The HotHouse is closed and hopes to reopen in a different location, but they don't know where. I've moved the listing here - check for updates on their website, as they deserve listing here whenever they're open.

Also closed: (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 20:00, 9 December 2008 (EST)

Great year for unemployment; 4 more closures: (WT-en) Peter Talk 00:21, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

Also closed:

Closed: (WT-en) Eco84 05:25, 9 July 2012 (EDT)

Star nomination
Ladies and gentlemen, the latest offering from the Chicago district factory, featuring lost treasure, lurid tales, and a shiny new map by Peter. I'm pleased with the way the article covers five of the biggest tourist draws in Chicago (the three museums, Soldier Field, and McCormick Place) and situates them in the midst of neighborhoods with more to be discovered, which print guides haven't done. Although it's always possible that something else may pop up, I believe the Buy/Eat/Drink/Sleep listings are comprehensive, save for places I decided not to list.

What do you think? (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 08:58, 9 August 2007 (EDT)

 * Support. It's a fun read and I'm pretty sure nothing worth writing about has been left out. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:27, 10 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Support. Looks fantastic! The only thing I noticed was that the picture of the dolphin show is a little dark, but I don't think that's reason enough to disqualify the article for Star status. (WT-en) PerryPlanet 20:49, 10 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Support. Very impressive guide. -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 08:16, 11 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Support. One suggestion for improvement, however, would be to highlight the neighborhoods on the map - it wasn't clear to me where Printer's Row and the other neighborhoods were located, and since many of the attractions are listed by neighborhood that information would be helpful. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:48, 11 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Good idea; I might try and do this with all the Chicago district maps, come to think of it. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:59, 11 August 2007 (EDT)

 * Marginal. This is a really good article, properly formatted, etc., but one weakness is TMI -- Too Much Information.  Some of the attraction entries are ponderously long and really could use some tightening up.  I'm not sure whether that's a disqualification as far as Star status is concerned, but I'd like to see some improvements. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 15:15, 11 August 2007 (EDT)
 * I'm not sure that I see what you mean. The museums listed rank among Chicago's most visited sites, and probably do deserve a significant mention. The Prairie Ave section of town could probably have its own itinerary article, if written by someone particularly knowledgeable; moreover, I think good information about this area is essential, as the only other option for a visitor would be a guided tour. But which entries in particular are you referring to? --Peter 15:25, 11 August 2007 (EDT)
 * That hadn't occurred to me, but I'm generally willing to believe that anything that's written well can probably be written just as well in 3/4 of the words. I've tried to tighten some of the longer sections. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 16:24, 11 August 2007 (EDT)
 * An example is the entry for the Marshall Field Jr. Mansion, which occupies an awful lot of space for an attraction that isn't even open. There are others that are similarly verbose.  Yes, describe the museums, etc., but for all but the most exceptional/distinctive entries, many of the details of things like history can and should be entrusted to the referenced links, unless there's something about them that the traveler needs to know (for example, IMO the Shedd entry really does need to be as long as you have it, since the whole thing is useful to the traveler).  If an entry gets beyond about 5 full lines of text, there's a TMI possibility, IMO; if the entries routinely get beyond this limit, TMI is very likely. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:35, 11 August 2007 (EDT)
 * I've chopped out 2100 characters. I hope that helps. How much history to give, though, is tricky. We supply those external links, but aren't we supposed to be producing guides that can be used independently of them? A little bit of history is sometimes useful to sell the place as a worthwhile destination. (It is to me as a traveler, anyway.) Regardless of WTP, not everyone who uses these guides is going to be able to click through; nor, in some cases (as with Field Jr.), does the external link give the whole story. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 16:58, 11 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Thanks, that helped. Support now. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:39, 11 August 2007 (EDT)

Moved
This gallery seems to have moved to 224 S. Michigan from the Near West. Gorilla Jones (talk) 20:51, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

title: Talk:Chicago/Near South


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Talk:Chicago/Near West Side

Closed
Had mixed reviews anyway - I wasn't sure if we should be recommending it. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 21:04, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

Push for Star
I don't think this article is terribly far from being a star, should we chose to so push. In any rate it would be good to do the following:

 * Add "understand" and "get around" sections (with neighborhood descriptions)
 * My MoS trigger finger is itching to reorganize those eat listings by price category 1st, neighborhood grouping 2nd
 * Pictures, of course
 * I also might take a quick internet spin to look for any additional buy listings

And that's it! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 05:03, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

 * I'm confident in the comprehensiveness of the listings, although if I missed anything, it's probably in 'Buy'. (Surely there's a decent record store around there somewhere.) Agreed on the pictures and Understand/neighborhood descriptions, and the map will make it easy to fine-tune the Get in, but what do you see happening with Get around?

 * I like having the Eat listings split by area, though, since food is the main attraction of this article - it's like separating Do into "Theaters" and "Parks". I think it's of the most use to a traveler that way...plus, the non Italian/Greek listings will get swamped. (If everything were to be combined, I think Budget goes to 14 or so, Mid-range gets up near 20.) (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 14:19, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

 * The Get Around sections are a little silly for the smaller districts, but it still is useful for readers who lack a good sense of scale to hear "you can easily cover the district on foot." And it couldn't hurt to list the 2-3 useful bus routes in getting from Greektown to Little Italy to United Center.

 * I definitely understand your point about the eat listings, and I had a problem with the way we force breakdowns by price in the past, but I've sort of come around now on that point. If we MoS them, they will look like Chicago/Bridgeport-Chinatown—they are still broken out by neighborhood, so that should keep Greektown from swamping the reader. I've become convinced that the (dis)advantages either way are marginal, and I think it would be good for consistency's sake to match the Bridgeport-Chinatown breakdown. We could change Chinatown to match this formatting style, but it's technically not MoS, so I don't know if that would be fair to do to a starred-article. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:46, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

 * Seems clumsy to me, but I don't want to bother lobbying for an MoS change. The New York Times Book Review is going to nail us for this, though, I'm telling you. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 20:01, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

 * Wait a second, forget the bit about the get around section--we haven't really been doing that, and it's not required for districts per MoS. I might just move existing get around content in the few articles that have the section back into "get in." --(WT-en) Peter Talk 04:24, 4 November 2007 (EST)

Moved in
They're not sure if they're going to hold regular shows - they've only done a one-off so far. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 15:09, 6 December 2007 (EST)

No response yet, and I'm not too optimistic. Shame though, I liked the sounds of the courtyard arts "festival." --(WT-en) Peter Talk 04:05, 8 December 2007 (EST)

Phone disconnected. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 21:00, 8 December 2007 (EST)

Opening soon
Opening September 11, 2009 — a former Pilsen gallery, so I've copied and updated the listing from there, to add when the date is closer. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 13:16, 15 August 2009 (EDT)

Fire in Greektown
Costa's was completely destroyed; the other two were damaged, but stand a better chance of re-opening soon. All are worthy entries, so let's keep an eye out for them. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 19:42, 1 February 2010 (EST)

Closed

I'm going to double-check tomorrow, but I'm pretty sure it's closed (sigh). (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 23:53, 13 September 2010 (EDT)

Another:

--(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:50, 25 February 2012 (EST)

Closed: (WT-en) Eco84 16:42, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

Oprah has left. There's still some production there, but I think the tourist interest is gone. Gorilla Jones (talk) 20:48, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Bombon
I liked this place in Pilsen. It has apparently re-opened at 36 S. Ashland, but I haven't been to the new location yet. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 12:46, 2 October 2010 (EDT)

title: Talk:Chicago/Near West Side


text:
Talk:Chicago/North Lincoln

Sex tourism listing
Well, an internet search revealed that the Admiral Theatre should count as either a "see" or "do" listing, given its history, singularity, and popularity. But I have a personal aversion to actually contributing information about strip clubs, so I'll just point this one out for anyone who would like to add it. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:40, 22 August 2007 (EDT)
 * I know it's in this area, but just because it's there doesn't mean we have to add it - things aren't listed just because they're popular, they're listed here because someone who worked on the article recommends going there. And I'm not going to make that recommendation... (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 16:37, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

Push for Star
I've had good feedback on the article from friends who live here. I don't plan on putting this one up for a little while yet, as I'd like to do some more road-testing myself (which will help improve the quality of the writing), and it needs photos, obviously. Ravenswood and the other sub-neighborhoods need to be given more mention. Any other points for improvement? (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 23:55, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

 * Off the top of my head, I'd like to see more context (history/trivia) for the neighborhoods, and I definitely wouldn't mind helping with that. Other than that, I think some quick intros for individual sections (and tightening up the ones that already exist) + pictures should push this into the star category. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:56, 11 September 2007 (EDT)
 * It still needs an Understand section and those quick intros, but I've got all the listings I think the article needs prior to a star-nom, if you don't mind updating the map. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 02:19, 17 September 2007 (EDT)
 * By the way, the proportions of the two North Park parks may need to be switched - the CPD says Gompers is 39 acres and Peterson is 24. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 02:30, 17 September 2007 (EDT)
 * I'll fix up the map. Good catch on the parks, it turns out most of the green forested area by Peterson that I saw via NASA is privately owned! And I love that lead photo ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:24, 17 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Maps are done! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:23, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
 * One question though, I've only used main roads and smaller roads that lead to listings—should I include any others? Would it be useful to map all the streets in the district? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:54, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Closed
Moved to Des Plaines, more specifically, so as good as closed for purposes of this guide... (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 20:26, 9 December 2008 (EST)

City Noor and Adobo Express have closed. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:32, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Moved to the suburbs. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 00:43, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

No answer on the phone after a few tries. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 19:15, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

Sadly... (WT-en) Gorilla Jones

Really sorry to lose this one. Where does one go for a good kappen abend now?! Gorilla Jones (talk) 21:02, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Star nomination
I actually forgot about this one, thinking we had already starred it. Unquestionably the best existing guide to this section of the city. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:25, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Support. I live here and feel there are a lot of unknown gems in this article. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 18:42, 18 February 2008 (EST)

 * Support. Can't find any flaws with this one. (WT-en) PerryPlanet 01:42, 19 February 2008 (EST)

title: Talk:Chicago/North Lincoln


text:
Talk:Chicago/Pilsen

Dropped listings
I saw this place while I was in the area but didn't go in, and couldn't even find a phone number for it, so I haven't included it in the guide. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 02:01, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Closed, I believe. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 20:09, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Bombon Cafe was destroyed in a fire last night, sad to say. Check in a few months - hopefully they'll re-open. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 08:20, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Read about a wave of closures in East Pilsen recently. 4Art is a huge loss. EXPGallery may be closed, too — website is down and I didn't get an answer at their phone number. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 13:10, 15 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Whence this decimation? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:15, 15 August 2009 (EDT)

 * People waiting for foot traffic that hasn't materialized, it seems. Story here. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 13:19, 15 August 2009 (EDT)

Yet another really interesting place bites the dust... --(WT-en) Peter Talk 12:57, 6 August 2010 (EDT)

Closed. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 21:19, 26 September 2010 (EDT)

Closed. (WT-en) Eco84 10:21, 3 July 2012 (EDT)

Not sure if they're still open. Website is defunct and last shows were in September. Gorilla Jones (talk) 20:19, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Couldn't get through to this place. Gorilla Jones (talk) 20:41, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Efebos
Is it worth it to list Efebos twice, in the drink & contact sections? If not, in which section should we include it? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:35, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Good point - I put it in 'Drink' with a general pointer in Contact. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 20:51, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Star nomination
We don't have any star articles on the West Side of Chicago, only North and South, so I'd like to put this one up for consideration. Pilsen is off the beaten path for most travel guides, but it has an attraction that should be high on any visitors' list (National Museum of Mexican Art), and I think we've covered the art galleries, the shops, and the restaurants quite thoroughly. I had a lot of fun there, although Peter's map will make anyone else's visit a lot easier than mine was. Your comments, please... (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 18:17, 14 December 2007 (EST)
 * Another beautiful Chicago article! You guys have raised the bar for what Wikivoyage guides can become. Now just a couple of things (and I was more careful this time around): I didn't see hours for El Paraiso Bakery, and no prices for El Paraiso Bakery, Panaderia Tortilleria Nuevo Leon Bakery, Tacos Palas, and Cafe Mestizo (the last one might not be a problem as it's down in the drink section, but the other two cafes have prices so I guess Cafe Mestizo might as well...). Other than that, this guide is the absolute definition of perfection. (WT-en) PerryPlanet 20:19, 14 December 2007 (EST)

 * Support. One of the smaller districts in the Chicago guide, and I think we honestly have everything worth covering in the article! I added pricing info for the above mentioned listings, except for El Paraiso Bakery—I think it's too hard to give an accurate idea of price since there is bound to be large variations in the kinds of things one would buy at a bakery (a cake? one cookie?). Not that this bears on star status, but Pilsen is a cool neighborhood. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:11, 14 December 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Chicago/Rogers Park

Hey... don't forget Devon ave. It's been so long that I don't remember the names of any of the places, but I used to love to go up there for Indian food. -- (WT-en) Mark 17:02, 19 June 2007 (EDT)
 * I mentioned how to get to Devon in the Get In section. I'm going to add general mentions of that area to the Buy and Eat sections - like you, I can't remember specific places that I went, just that they were great. If you remember anywhere in particular, please add the names. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 17:21, 19 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Har! Guess how many times I've written "It's a wiki, go ahead and make the change".  Now I'm being schooled in my own art! :) -- (WT-en) Mark 03:09, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Heh. Well, like you said... (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 16:10, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

West Ridge
Is the area actually known popularly as West Ridge? If it's usually called West Rogers Park, I have no compunctions about changing that on all relevant maps. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:32, 14 November 2007 (EST)
 * I've heard both, but the historical society uses West Ridge, so I was planning to stick with that. Judge company carefully before you choose either term, though — some say there are those who never heard the Cabbage War is over and still believe they're fighting it to this day... (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 00:43, 15 November 2007 (EST)

Closing
Read that a new restaurant will open there, but I don't know anything else about it. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 12:38, 5 January 2008 (EST)

Yeeargh...this one is painful to type. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 20:37, 9 December 2008 (EST)

Bears watching to see if this re-opens in some form, as it was one of the oldest theaters in the city still showing movies. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 11:59, 22 February 2009 (EST)
 * Re-opened! Supposedly a lot nicer, too. Haven't been to check it out yet. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 00:59, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

Moving to Skokie. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 19:19, 12 September 2010 (EDT)

Closed way back in 2009. (WT-en) Eco84 14:56, 12 April 2012 (EDT)

Closed. Ethiopian Diamond opened a second location in their place (their original location is already listed in this article). (WT-en) Eco84 06:47, 13 April 2012 (EDT)

Closed. Replaced by a gastropub by the name of Hop Haus. (WT-en) Eco84 09:46, 13 April 2012 (EDT)

Closure temporary? Gorilla Jones (talk) 01:25, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Likely to reopen sooner or later. (Presumably the ghost will hang around.) Gorilla Jones (talk) 23:41, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Chicago/South Side

Districts
If all of the district pages are going to be even half as well done as Bronzeville, then by all means, add 'em. But I think we should call that section "neighborhoods", per the local parlance. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 22:31, 16 June 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Chicago/Southwest Side

Godless disorganized mess
Yes this article is a disorganized mess, and yes it contains no information about the areas around Midway. This will change; I am trying to sort things out (WT-en) here at present. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:55, 27 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Sorry I can't be of aid. I've only ever been to Midway - I have no sense of the area at all. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 01:28, 27 August 2007 (EDT)

Chicago Blues Museum
OK, I drove by this place to try and confirm whether it is open, but I actually couldn't find it. From all accounts, the collection is awesome, but no sense listing it if it's missing:

 * Chicago Blues Museum, 3636 S Iron Street, +1 773 828-8118. This museum is huge and has an excellent collection of blues paraphernalia and exhibits related to blues in Chicago today and in history. The museum also has exhibits pertaining to Chicago's African-American history in general, especially about the Bronzeville district in the 1920s and 30s. Phone to confirm hours.

--(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:45, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

 * I talked to a guy on the phone, who seemed surprised to have a caller but warmed up when I mentioned an interest in the blues. He said the museum is temporarily closed because their exhibits are traveling in Europe right now, and they intend to re-open in April 2008. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 12:17, 16 December 2007 (EST)

 * Honestly, signs of life are enough reason IMO to put this attraction back into the article, with a note that it plans to reopen in April, and that even then you should definitely call before adding it to your travel plans. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:59, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Sleep listings
Moved in for the following reasons:

Me: "How much are your rooms?" Guy: "We're not allowed to give any information over the phone."

Me: "Hi, is this the Parks Hotel?" Guy: "Naw, we ain't got no hotel today, brother. Too cold!"

Phone disconnected:

 * Too cold? Hahaha! I had a feeling there'd be some interesting conversation come of this little project! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:59, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Closed? listings
I think these are closed, but I'll do a drive by at some point to check since contact info can be really unreliable in some parts of the city.

 * Yep, closed, shame. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:16, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

Video rentals
Copied from User talk:(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald

hi peter,

i noticed you took off my listing for the video strip shop in chicago's southwest side. I actually do shop for videos when traveling to keep the kids busy when we are indoors and i think its more important than the listing already showing for "western wear" and "fake puke." The shop even delivered to us which made it very easy on us. When we did go there the owner actually gave us a bunch of places to take the kids this weekend.

i did use this site while searching for things to do but noticed there isn't anything mentioned for the southwest side which we are staying. Please do add more things on here for kid oriented entertainment. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 68.78.32.184 (talk • contribs)

 * I couldn't agree more that this article needs more good buy listings. My main concern with adding the Video strip is, as I noted, that video rentals are pushing it for a travel guide—I can't think of any time I've seen any listed in any travel guide. This worry goes a little further on Wikivoyage than I would assume in a traditional guide, because we have to be careful in drawing the line to prevent business establishments from filling up these articles with plugs for themselves. The main way of doing that is to limit listings to truly unique neighborhood establishments that travelers might go out of their way to see. (Sanches Bros Western Clothes fits that bill in spectacular fashion, in my opinion.)

 * All that said, I've restored the listing simply because the section is so limited at present. I'll be tempted to trim it out if we can drum up more high quality listings for the article in the future. I also replaced the description, as it was a copyright violation from citysearch. Hope the guide was otherwise useful! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 01:30, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

 * Odd Obsession in Chicago/Wicker Park rents videos, although I listed it because it offers an eclectic overall experience, focusing on extreme rarities. But I guess that's a similar case. The fact that the Video Strip will deliver to a hotel in an otherwise quiet part of town (with a lot of hotels) probably makes it worthy of inclusion, for now at least. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 01:36, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

Star nomination discussion
A question arose recently regarding what a big outlying district article should ideally look like. I actually was not nominating this article precisely because I thought that type of article was a little too strange to serve as a template for most articles, but now that this type of article is more prevalent, perhaps it would be nice to have a star to look to. I know this area inside and out, and have actually visited every listing aside from the hotel and library lists. Where sections look thin, like "do" and "buy," it really is because there isn't much of interest to list there. I'm pretty sure this article meets the requirements, and have felt that way for some time—I just didn't have the motivation to nominate it. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:16, 6 January 2010 (EST)

 * Support. Very well written, perfect formatting and definitely an inspiration for other difficult large city districts. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:09, 7 January 2010 (EST)

 * Support. Once again, the Chicago Juggernaut provides an inspiration for us all. A couple of things: Linda's Lounge is missing hours and Holiday Inn Express needs a phone number - other than that, all good; I especially love the pictures of the food. (WT-en) PerryPlanet Talk 11:21, 7 January 2010 (EST)

 * Support. No opinion on accuracy or completeness as I know nothing about the area, but the article looks good. One jarring detail is the apparently random variation between Union Stock Yard and Union Stockyard, but there may be a good reason for this?. Cheers, (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 04:12, 9 January 2010 (EST)

 * There are some very minute and easily correctable things that I noticed:
 * "In the southeast are a couple of far-flung African-American neighborhoods." (Understand section) Does this just mean the neighborhoods are on the far outer edges of the city/area?
 * "The big sights on the Southwest Side are the Union Stockyard Gate. Period. And even that is a pretty small attraction for how out of the way it is." (See section) The grammar seems a bit odd. Is the Union Stockyard Gate just one attraction/place or are the "sights" referenced within the yard? Should it be, "The big sight on the SS is the USG"? (making it singular) I think this is the case, because it is referred to as "that" in the next section rather than "those". If not, then perhaps it should be "The big sights on the SS are in the Union Stockyard Gate"?
 * Why is the Chicago Blues Museum closed? Is it indefinite or is there a reopening date?

On a personal note, I learned from this article that it is "mother lode" rather than "mother load", which I had always assumed was the spelling. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 14:11, 9 January 2010 (EST)

 * I've taken care of the outstanding concerns above (and the quirky/bad grammar was intended to put humorous emphasis on the fact that there isn't much to see here, but it was probably a little too eccentric). The Blues Museum exists in the abstract, but his warehouse, by all reports full of incredibly interesting stuff, has been closed for at least two years. I think he's found more success in letting the collection tour, so the museum is in an indefinite limbo. (Incidentally, there is also the question of mother lode v. motherlode. The dictionary claims both are acceptable, and "mother lode" is the version slightly more commonly used per google .)

 * The one thing I have not been able to nail down are the hours for Linda's Place. I'm certain it was open as recent as last summer, and it's been around for decades, but their phone number is at present disconnected... If they've closed, that's a huge loss for the blues. I'd hate to remove it without solid confirmation that it is indeed closed, since I'm proud of the fact that our Chicago guide is the only guide to Chicago of any sort that has comprehensive coverage of the city's real blues clubs. But if deemed necessary, I'll remove it, since to my great disappointment I'm no longer there to just drive over to make sure (and have a drink). --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:19, 9 January 2010 (EST)

I hope we get this to star as it is very interesting to read. Thank you for your efforts, (WT-en) jan 07:30, 18 January 2010 (EST)
 * Almost support I like the article in general but two points I would like to see changed:
 * 1) Sleep: It is split in two section which neither has the usual three levels. I think it should preferably have a price range indication or the usual budget/mid-range/splurge split as Chicago is in other areas rather expensive. I would feel a bit lost where to stay with this current structure
 * 2) Get around: If taxis can not be hailed, could you add at least one or two numbers of local taxi companies (or is there a general taxi number some areas have?)?

 * I sorted the sleep section by price, and put all the Midway Hotel Center hotels under mid-range (it makes sense to group them, as they are all on one compound). For taxis, we give the big four's numbers at Chicago. I suppose we could link the word "taxi" back to that section of the main article, but if we made such a decision, we should do that for all the district articles (and for all forms of transport, buses, trains, etc.). --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:27, 18 January 2010 (EST)

 * Support Sorry for the late reply but Peters changes and answers were fine for me and I didn't thought that I need to confirm that. (WT-en) jan 15:11, 11 February 2010 (EST)

 * No problem, I just wanted to make sure ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:47, 11 February 2010 (EST)

 * Is there any reason you don't mention the Red line in the "Get in" section, even though Garfield and 63rd seems to be within the district on the map, and it runs just outside the eastern boundary for the remainder of the border? --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 14:40, 18 January 2010 (EST)

 * Good point, and fixed. That side of the district is far less travel-relevant, but it's good to explain nonetheless. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:52, 18 January 2010 (EST)

 * Support Thanks! I'll definitely use this as a reference when I get around finishing my own suburban "star in the making"; Copenhagen's Northern suburbs --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 14:58, 18 January 2010 (EST)

More closed listings

 * Izzy's is closed as of 6 Apr, with no clear plans to reopen a physical location. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:45, 29 April 2010 (EDT)

And more:

I'm not 100% positive about Lagniappe, but it certainly looks to be closed. --Peter Talk 22:12, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Chicago/Uptown

Push for star
Actually, for once I don't think a push is needed. Add a lead image and this article is already there IMO. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:07, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Theater listing
Should possibly be moved in from Lakeview:

 *

Star nomination
Might be best to table the O'Hare nomination until those concerns are addressed - so here's another to chew on, as Chicago can't let Charlotte have sole Uptown supremacy. We've got Charlie Chaplin, Al Capone, Hillary Clinton and The Clash in there, which covers rather a lot of ground. Let me know what you think. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 13:44, 1 December 2007 (EST)
 * Hey, back off Windy City, Uptown belongs to Charlotte, no one else! (LOL, just kidding) I love this article. It's very well written and very thorough, it makes a great read even if you're not traveling to Chicago. I absolutely cracked up when I read this line:

 * With some effort, you can mentally reverse the decayed grandeur and imagine the station as it was in 1923, when it replaced an inferior structure built by some dink named Frank Lloyd Wright.

 * Man, I was howling when I read that. Now I did notice a couple of very minor issues...
 * In the intro there's a minor grammar error: "Years of cheap living created a diverse community that's still resident there today".
 * There was no hours for the Vinh Phat BBQ, Gigio's, or the Grace African Restaurant.
 * The Dong Thanh, Thai Pastry and Spacca Napoli weren't listed on the map.
 * Other than that, it looks perfect. SUPPORT. (WT-en) PerryPlanet 18:43, 1 December 2007 (EST)

 * Thanks. Grace African Restaurant is quoting our review on their website - that's awesome. I called around to add the missing hours. I don't see the grammar error - 'resident' can be used as an adjective as well, if that's what you're referring to. I'll trust Peter to cram the missing listings into the map. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 19:21, 1 December 2007 (EST)

 * Support. This is one of my favorite articles now on WT—nice work Marc. I'll be sure to get Spacca Napoli on that map (not sure how missed that), but Dong Thanh and Thai Pastry are both located within the buy listing, Tai Nam Market Center. This is already indicated in the "directions" tags in the listings, but perhaps there is a way to make this more clear? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 11:17, 2 December 2007 (EST)
 * Nah, don't worry about it. I think if I had actually bothered to read the listing, it would have been clear to me. :P (WT-en) PerryPlanet 12:58, 2 December 2007 (EST)

Final call on this one... (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 17:49, 14 December 2007 (EST)

Closed listings
Closed recently. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 22:29, 25 February 2010 (EST)

 *  Glittery lesbian & gay dance club. Fridays are salsa, Saturdays are old school hip hop, and Sundays are given for the Chicago Bears to inspire karaoke of triumph or misery.

 *  Denim boutique with retro and contemporary, standard and designer jeans, and an emphasis on "no attitude shopping." Plenty of accessories, too.

Not positive if this is closed, but the website's disconnected, no one picks up the phone, and it was shut the last time I went by. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 19:50, 12 September 2010 (EDT)

 *  The menu isn't long, but this friendly, authentic Ghanaian restaurant has a great atmosphere and the best decor in the area.

 * A Grace African closure would be a sad point. They were the first business in Chicago that I'm aware of that touted our own review ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:11, 12 September 2010 (EDT)

This appears to have closed in 2010. (WT-en) Eco84 00:07, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

 *  About three blocks north of Argyle, Sabai-dee is Chicago's one and only Laotian restaurant. There are a few Chinese and Vietnamese stand-bys to fill out the menu, but it's the Lao sausage and curry that make this place special.

Not a closing but a name change: Cafe Too is now known as Inspiration Kitchens. Just noting this here for future map updates. (WT-en) Eco84 00:35, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

Closed over a year ago. (WT-en) Eco84 15:30, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

 *  Sicilian bakery with a devoted following. The prices are steep ($3 for a cannoli), but people leave satisfied.

Closed. The space is currently occupied by a place called Acre. (WT-en) Eco84 15:49, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

 *  Beer, steaks and upscale bar food in Andersonville.

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Talk:Chicago/Wicker Park

Logan
I see you've put the Logan Square content in here. Is there any chance of the Logan area getting its own district? Or should I update the main districts map to merge it into West Town? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:30, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
 * It could get a separate article, although I don't foresee that happening any time soon. No need to update the main district map. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 19:06, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Closures
They say they're looking for a new space, but for now, I'm moving the listing here. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 01:00, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

 *  Electronic and electro-acoustic music, free improvisation and sound art projects.

 *  Re-opened in Dec 07 in River North neighborhood. Electronic and electro-acoustic music, free improvisation and sound art projects.

Humboldt annexation
Whoa, the actual park, Humboldt Park, is located in the Logan community area and not the Humboldt Park community area! For once, I'm not convinced the traditional boundaries make much sense here. Any objections if I annex the areas west of Western Ave to the Chicago/Far West Side? Much of what I have been writing about the Humboldt Park neighborhood applies mainly to the areas just east and southeast of the park. --Peter 06:52, 8 November 2007 (EST)

 * In the past, while I had friends living there, we thought of everything west of Western as Humboldt Park. So that makes sense to me. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 07:27, 8 November 2007 (EST)

 * Whoops, I meant above that Humboldt Park is technically in West Town (not Logan). No matter, the annexation proceeded as planned. Although the Far West was satiated by merely shifting the border to Rockwell. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 04:49, 9 November 2007 (EST)

Closing
Too bad. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 16:12, 5 January 2008 (EST)

 *  Nuevo Latino cuisine, with a wine list that focuses on a new country every month. Booze comes cheaper on Mondays. Dessert is highly recommended.

Hard to imagine this place gone... (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 20:08, 9 December 2008 (EST)

 *  Not that great, really — this is where people from outside the neighborhood come to see and be seen, with the biggest outdoor seating in the area. But it has a full menu of booze and food, and it's right at the center of things — even people who don't like the Pontiac admit they wind up here unaccountably often.

 * Whoa! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:31, 9 December 2008 (EST)

 *  Great clothes boutique for men and women, with work by local designers mostly in the Swiss Moderne style.

 *  A cheap, long-standing diner with Ukrainian food, with a bar (to 2AM Su-F, to 3AM Sa) that's a popular first stop of the neighborhood's remaining Ukrainians on a night out.

Appears defunct? (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 23:35, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

The Wicker Park/Bucktown Gallery Association hosts Second Saturday Gallery Walks each month (meet at Around the Coyote, 6-10PM)...

Ended this year. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 23:38, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

 *  Once the independent art festival in Chicago and now more hit-and-miss, but it's still a huge collection of new visual art, music, theater (on stages and streets), film and video, jewelry for sale, and Wicker Park eclectica, curated by artists from around the city. Plenty of food and beer are around (especially beer)

As of this writing, Around the Coyote has moved out of the Flat Iron Arts Bldg and struggling in their new location. The Flat Iron Artists Association have taken up the events at the historic flat iron arts Bldg, have fabulous First Friday Night events, galleries open on weekends and a couple during the week. More information at www.flatironartists.com.

Closed. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 23:44, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

 *  Small boutique featuring stylish, sturdy Argentine leather handbags and accessories.

 * An upmarket women's clothing boutique focused on classic French designs.

End of an era: after 21 years the Earwax Cafe will close at the end of this month. (WT-en) Eco84 20:31, 22 February 2011 (EST)

 *  A mostly-vegetarian restaurant and coffee shop with funky decor and a classic Wicker Park atmosphere. Also has movie rentals in the basement.

Closed. (WT-en) Eco84 09:36, 7 April 2012 (EDT)

 *  Great pizza on artisan flatbreads. All ingredients are locally-grown and 100% organic — the first to be certified as such in the Midwest.

Closed. (WT-en) Eco84 09:54, 7 April 2012 (EDT)

 *  Good, traditional sushi in a humble, trend-free setting. You're paying for the food here, not the design. There are a few chicken options on the menu as well.

Just curious
But around when was Wiker Park cool? I lived there from '91 to '99. Does that count? ;) -- (WT-en) Mark 09:48, 10 April 2008 (EDT)

Why is there no mention of the actual park? Unless I missed that somewhere... and the actual location where High Fidelity was filmed is the store on the corner of Honore and Milwaukee

Star nomination
Marc wrote a great article to Chicago's hoppin'est neighborhood. It's a good read, complete, and up to star status. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:25, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Support. (Thanks.) (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 18:42, 18 February 2008 (EST)

 * Support. Looks excellent, save for the "Bongo Room" restaurant, which I can't seem to find on the map. (WT-en) PerryPlanet 01:42, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * Should be fixed too. Thank you for catching these! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:32, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Error on Image:Wicker Park map.png
Permanent Records (Buy #10) is located on Chicago Avenue, not Division Street as indicated on the map. (WT-en) Eco84 21:28, 21 January 2010 (EST)

 * Fixed, and thanks for the proofing! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:06, 21 January 2010 (EST)

 * It looks like you placed it on North Avenue instead of Chicago Avenue. (WT-en) Eco84 13:12, 23 January 2010 (EST)

 * Gah, feeling silly now. Unless I've somehow goofed it up again, it should be fixed. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:18, 24 January 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Chicagoland

I moved NE Illinois to Chicagoland. I'm not sure the list of counties is still applicable, though. If someone with more smarts about IL than me could move ones that are inappropriate to Northern Illinois or Central Illinois, it'd be great. --(WT-en) Evan 07:49, 19 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * Hoo boy, Evan -- you really don't want people from downstate Illinois finding out that you did this, or you'll have contract assassins after you. :-) There is antipathy between city and downstate that makes lumping some of these counties into "Chicagoland" look very weird.  I'll work on a fix; most of the ones you moved will wind up in Central IL. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 14:52, 27 Dec 2005 (EST)

Indiana too
I think it would definitely be appropriate to include Indiana's Lake county on this page too—places like East Chicago are definitely part of Chicagoland. No need to put a ton of info about them here, obviously, but that's true for all linked destinations on this page. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:53, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Chicagoland's boundaries are pretty undefined--see the Wikipedia link on the page for some attempts to define them. The broadest conceptions of Chicagoland do include northwest Indiana, but given Wikivoyage's attempt to follow a geographic hierarchy in which states come before state regions, it would seem to make sense to use one of the Chicagoland conceptions that is restricted to Illinois counties. (Which counties those should be is also something to discuss.)

Maybe we could emphasize Lake Co. Indiana and Kenosha Co. in the "Get Out" section? (WT-en) Nareek 09:18, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

 * Agreed that the boundaries are undefined—and I really only know the areas bordering the South Side of the city, so I can't comment on Kenosha Co., but much of Lake Co. is solid Chicagoland. We've had some discussions (like this one) about whether we can list regions/cities as having more than one parent region, and I'm pretty sure we've decided in favor of doing so. (At least, no one has argued against doing so in a very long time.) For another example of how this can work, see Metro New York. I don't think it would be appropriate to link to a Chicagoland article on the Indiana or Northern Indiana pages (except for the "get out" sections)—that should just show Lake County. But I see no reason to not cross-list Lake County here.

 * Like I said, I can't comment intelligently beyond Lake Co., but I'd really like to have destinations like Whiting, East Chicago, and even Gary linked on this page. (In particular Whiting's Marktown, which I've been meaning to write about—I just took a bunch of photos of that bizarre little community.) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:40, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

 * Some people consider Chicagoland to extend beyond Illinois, some people don't. If we take the former position, then we need to duplicate attractions on two different regional pages (because Lake Co. is certainly in Northern Indiana; if we take the latter, then we don't have that problem.  I don't know why we'd want to create problems for ourselves.

 * Note that there is not Lake County (Indiana) page--individual counties rarely seem to have their own pages on Wikivoyage--which makes including just Lake Co. (or just Lake and Porter counties, as per another possible definition of Chicagoland) is slightly more problematic. (WT-en) Nareek 23:21, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

 * I'd disagree. Attractions generally should not be on regions pages at all—only links to them. There are exceptions, but I'm not sure Lake County would have any. I generally like to avoid creating problems too, like for example the problem of looking at the Chicago metropolitan area page, and not seeing a town linked named East Chicago ;)  Counties don't always warrant separate articles on Wikivoyage, but they often do (e.g., all of Maryland's counties have articles). Lake County is pretty radically different from the rest of Indiana, in fact because it is so integrated with Chicago, and I think it definitely does warrant an article of its own—I'd be happy to write a basic article for it.  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:03, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

County Pages
I'd like to break this page down and separate the counties out. The counties are way too diverse to be included on this page, and it may be easier to do itineraries County-wide versus region wide. Any strong feelings either way? --Imegj (talk) 02:50, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure whether I understand. Would you please clarify what the change would be, and what the page would look like after making it? --Peter Talk 08:57, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Basically, I'm proposing that the Counties be treated as regions and given their own individual pages. The Chicagoland page would still have highlights of the greater region but the counties would have more detailed attractions, etc. Imegj (talk) 04:14, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I think that would make sense. This page has been a little bit of a mess. We'd need to move the various cities lists out to the county pages, and then add some general, overview prose to the sections here on what to see, do, eat, etc. so readers can find the right next article to read. Thanks for taking the initiative in sorting this out! --Peter Talk 02:29, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

 * Thinking of going more regional than the Counties. The more I think through regions in Chicagoland, the more it makes sense to go that way.  North Shore, Chain O Lakes, Fox River Valley, etc.  I'll give it a try.Imegj (talk) 04:03, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

McHenry County
I'm thinking it makes sense to push McHenry County into the Chicagoland region. The vast majority of the population of that County is definitely within Chicagoland land, though I'd concede many western portions of the County are closer to Rockford.Imegj (talk) 02:50, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned sub-region
FYI, there are quite a few articles that link to Inner Suburbs (Illinois) in their breadcrumb trails, even though that article is no longer being used as part of our Chicagoland sub-region breakdown. Eco84 (talk) 00:11, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Feature in a news article
I think that this article is interesting in that it uses a Wikivoyage picture at the top of the page. It shows that a reliable news source knows about us and has used some of our content. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 22:11, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Static map
Why are the interstate numbers so big? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:20, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Chicago skyline guide

Exceptions
In my edit, I said "With a few exceptions, virtually all of these buildings are all in the Loop, Near North, and Near South." I only said that in case I had overlooked something, though - are any of these buildings anywhere other than those three areas? (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 09:44, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

 * You are right, they are all in our Central Chicago districts. As a matter of fact, though, I think that One Museum Park may be the only one in the Near South, although I'm not feeling up to checking that right now. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:16, 12 July 2007 (EDT)
 * I didn't see any others, so I rephrased that sentence. Also, the Wikimedia Commons page for the West Side view says it's from the Green Line Ashland station near the UC, not the Orange Line Ashland near Chinatown, so I switched that. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 20:55, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

WTP exclusion & ads
My feeling is that this article probably shouldn't go into the printed guidebook, as its format is not particularly well suited. All the same, I think it would be appropriate to add a WTP Chicago ad to this page, as the guidebook would be just as much of interest to a reader of this page as to any of the other pages, although it would not itself appear in the book. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:58, 6 November 2007 (EST)

 * No, the panoramas couldn't be used. Is it conceivable, though, that someone would be interested in it (minus the photos) for the sake of the Tall Buildings, Neatly Listed, Organized, and Described? I'd be interested to hear some opinions. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 00:07, 7 November 2007 (EST)

 * Perhaps—there is some information in this article that I would like a reader of the book to hear. Some of the more iconic buildings (Smurfit-Stone, Chase Tower, Lake Point Tower, CNA Tower) only get any real mention here. I was thinking of maybe adding them as "see" listings for the Loop, but what I would want to write about them is already in this article :)

 * Without inclusion of this article, I would want to direct interested readers from the book to here. We'll need to do something with the text of the main article already, as it suggests that readers check out the (not linked in print) skyline guide for more information. Perhaps both the inclusion of information here in the Loop article, and a notification in the book to check out this article for further information, would be doable by way of the and  tags?  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 01:14, 7 November 2007 (EST)

Refreshing panoramas
The skyline is looking quite different now that the Trump Tower is finally finished. Unfortunately, no CC-licensed nor PD panoramas have cropped up since, so these images are pretty out of date. If anyone knows of new images we could use (or better yet, wants to make them themselves), please put a link up on this talk page! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:25, 11 February 2009 (EST)
 * I've created a banner from May 2018 for consideration: --Romain.pontida (talk) 10:33, 2 September 2018 (UTC) Chicago Skyline - view from Alder Planetarium at sunset.jpg

 * Very nice, but I prefer the current one. When you propose a new pagebanner, it's polite and helpful to include the one in current use on the page, too. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:56, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Star nomination
I was not planning to nominate this because I felt too unsure of what travel topic stars are supposed to look like. Indeed, I was more worried that it might get voted for deletion as a non-article. But I figure that as long as we're reviewing travel topic star-ification, we might as well have more fuel for discussion.

This topic is fairly narrow, and while it still might be a stretch to say that this article covers the topic "fully," there are certainly no obvious omissions and any more coverage would be over-saturation. Listings match the MoS, but layout? It is not possible nor desirable to try and come up with a layout in the MoS for every type of travel topic. In any rate, this layout makes sense to me.

I'm curious to see what opinions are on this one; in my view there aren't really any changes that could significantly improve it. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:21, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

 * Support. In terms of the description of what a star topic should look like, the article appears to cover the topic well enough (although you might need someone with at least some knowledge of Chicago to confirm that though!), the listings match the MoS and the layout used works for this article, which is what matters - travel topics are incredibly diverse so there's no sense in creating a standard layout. The annotated photos of the skyline are the equivalent of the required map. -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 13:05, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

 * Support. The article seems to do a great job of covering the subject, at least as far as I can tell having never been to Chicago. All the buildings listed appear in at least once of the pictures, so it looks pretty complete. The only thing I can suggest is to find addresses for the Dirksen Federal Building and the Metropolitan Correctional Center. (WT-en) PerryPlanet 16:47, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Good catch, I've added the addresses. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:26, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

 * Support. I live in Chicago and know this subject reasonably well — and this article covers the topic better than I know it. Good mix of data and trivia, a great idea well-executed. As the article acknowledges, though, there are a lot of new buildings going up right now — the photos will have to be refreshed every so often. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 19:46, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

 * Support. Great job. It will benefit any visitor (like me). (WT-en) 2old 10:30, 1 September 2007 (EDT)

Google rank
I just noticed this page is Google's #1 search result for Chicago skyline! Wikivoyage's score according to PageRank checkers is still 6, but it seems like we've somehow moved up nonetheless—I'm now edging out Sen. Peter Fitzgerald's Wikipedia page... --(WT-en) Peter Talk 12:31, 23 November 2009 (EST)

 * Well done Peter :). The back-link register of the article is here (according to Yahoo which is much more forthcoming with such data than is Google) --(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:37, 23 November 2009 (EST)

Wolf Point
For anyone interested in Wolf Point, this blog piece was a really good read. --Peter Talk 07:00, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Willis Tower
[//en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Chicago_skyline_guide&diff=2334081&oldid=2334054 Here], the wording change to reflect the ascendency of 1 WTC unfortunately seems to give the impression that the WTC is the only building in the world to have surpassed the Willis Tower in height. I tried to edit it to indicate this, but failed to come up with a concise wording. LtPowers (talk) 13:29, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Um, what building are you talking about? Oh right ;) I've changed it a bit to right this wrong. --05:40, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

 * As usual, you manage to thread the needle of confusion and sew the correct tone to the article. LtPowers (talk) 13:34, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps "whored out" is a bit strong. We get a lot of people trying to change it. Any chance we could tone it down a smidge? LtPowers (talk) 19:03, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

 * I think whored out is the right meaning, though. Changes are most likely coming from people who just take offense at seeing the word "whore" in print, so a euphemism might take care of concerns. "Pimped out"? Exploited at the expense of the city's history and culture for crass financial gain? It's rightly considered one of the worst, if not the worst, corporate renamings in history. --Peter Talk 19:32, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

 * The worst in what way? Lots of corporate buildings change names.  Is it just the iconic stature of the Sears Tower?  LtPowers (talk) 22:58, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Yes, precisely. --Peter Talk 23:20, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Article name: Chicago skyline?
The current title, Chicago skyline guide, looks awkwardly self-referential. Shall we drop "guide", and call it Chicago skyline? Compare Talk:Kimono buying guide. /Yvwv (talk) 21:27, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, no, and again, I don't understand how it's "self-referential". To me, that would be something like "When I went to Chicago, I saw the Sears Tower, Wrigley Field, etc." Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:52, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Neither destination articles (such as Chicago) nor travel topics (such as Ice hockey in North America) have the word "guide" in them. "Chicago skyline" would be a sufficient article name. /Yvwv (talk) 15:11, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I agree that the word guide in the title is superfluous or self-referential. Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:17, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

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