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Amphoe Mueang Loei
Chaopho Kut Pong Shrine and the City Pillar Shrine (ศาลเจ้าพ่อกุดป่องและศาลหลัก��มือง) is located approximately 100 metres from the fountain roundabout next to the Kut Pong Public Park. It is an ancient shrine highly respected among the people. The city pillar shrine was constructed in 1982. The city pillar was made of the golden shower wood elaborately carved into a lotus shape at its top and gilded with gold leaf on black lacquer with a height of 139 centimetres.

Chaloem Phra Kiat Public Park, Pa Loeng Yai (สวนสาธารณะเฉลิมพระเกียรติฯ ป่าเลิงใหญ่) is situated in front of Loei Municipality. It is a 2-rai public park by the Loei River. There is a decorative garden with various kinds of flowers and decorative plants. Tourists can cross the hanging bridge into the park.

Office of the Loei Tourism Coordination Centre (อาคารที่ทำการศูนย์ประสานงานการท่องเที่ยวจังหวัดเลย) was previously the City Hall and Mueang Loei District Office, located within the compound of the Kut Pong Public Park, Charoen Rat Road, near Loei Municipality. Their Majesties the King and Queen stayed overnight at this building’s first upper balcony when they visited the Loei people in November 1955. The Loei Provincial Council of Culture collected the King’s chair at this place. The building was constructed in 1933. Nowadays, the Fine Arts Department has registered it as a national ancient monument for preservation.

Loei Cultural Centre (ศูนย์วัฒนธรรมจังหวัดเลย) is located within the compound of the Loei Rajabhat University. It is a two-storey building, collecting and publicising various aspects of information on Loei such as religion, traditions and ways of living. The centre’s building is divided into 3 sections; namely, the First Part: is a conference room with a slide presentation on Loei province and daily life utensils of the people in the past, the Second Part: is a temporary exhibition room presenting ancient Buddha images made of wood, sandstone, terra-cotta and silver, as well as, various Phi Ta Khon masks, ancient utensils and equipment donated by the local Loei people. Besides, there is an exhibition organised in rotation every 3 months, displaying various stories of Loei’s festivals and traditions, the Third Part: is a “Boeng Thai Loei Room”, presenting a permanent exhibition, considered as the major and the most distinguished part. This grand room displays every aspect of Loei covering its geology, geography, history, traditions and ethnology. Loei Cultural Centre is open daily from 8.30 a.m. – 4.00 p.m. Please deliver a letter in advance for a group visit to the Loei Cultural Centre, Loei Rajabhat University, Loei – Chiang Khan Road, Amphoe Mueang, Loei 42000. For further information, please contact Tel. 0 4283 5223-8 ext: 5128. To get there: take Highway No. 201 (Loei – Chiang Khan) for a distance of 5 kilometres.

Wat Tham Pha Pu or Tham Phiang Din (วัดถ้ำผาปู่ หรือ ถ้ำเพียงดิน), houses the remains of Luangpu Khamdi Paphaso, who discovered this place. The temple is a grand cave within a stone mountain. There are Buddha images enshrined in the cave, as well as, stalagmites and stalactites. Outside the cave is a habitat of Phayre’s langurs, gibbons and monkeys. To get there: Take the Loei – Chiang Khan route from Amphoe Mueang for 7 kilometres and turn left toward Amphoe Tha Li for 3 kilometres.

Phu Pha Lom Forest Park (วนอุทยานภูผาล้อม) is situated in Tambon Nam Suai, 24 kilometres from the city. It is comprised of steep limestone mountains with various pointed summits similar to a wall surrounding the virgin forest in the middle. There are various kinds of plants, herbs, sightseeing points, and caves such as Tham Kaeo, Tham Pha Bong, as well as, Bo Nam Sap or Nam Phut, which is a sacred seepage pond located in the middle of the forest. It is believed to be a Naga hole, a water passage of Naga leading to the Mekong River. For touring the forest, there must be a ranger leading the tour. As for tourists who wish to stay overnight, there is a camping site near the office of the forest park. Tourists should contact 1 month in advance at Phu Pha Lom Forest Park, P.O. Box 7, Loei Provincial Post Office, Loei 42000. To get there: Take the Loei – Na Duang route on Highway No. 2138 from the city for approximately 9 kilometres and turn left into the Loei – Ban Phia route along Highway No. 2249 for a further 9 kilometres. At Ban Phia where there is an intersection, turn right near Wat Liap into Highway No. 3117. Go straight on for 2 kilometres and turn left for 4 kilometres.

Upper Huai Nam Man and Huai Krathing Reservoir (อ่างเก็บน้ำห้วยน้ำหมานตอนบนและห้วยกระทิง) is an earth-filled dam with a capacity of 26 million cubic metres, covering an area of 1,500 rai with a crest of 800 metres long. It was constructed for irrigation purposes. There is a beautiful atmosphere of bamboo forest and surrounding mountains. To get there: Take the Loei – Phu Ruea route, 15 kilometres from the city and turn right for a further 5 kilometres.

Amphoe Chiang Khan
Chiang Khan is a small serene district on the bank of the Mekong River with accommodation, restaurants, and cruising service provided. Famous souvenirs of the district are quilts and glacéd coconut which visitors should not miss to buy. Moreover, there are beautiful attractions, awaiting to be admired.

Wat Si Khun Mueang (วัดศรีคุณเมือง) is located on Chai Khong Soi 7 Road, to the north of Chiang Khan Market. It was constructed in 1942 with a boundary wall surrounding the Ubosot. This temple is a collection venue of Lanna and Lan Chang arts presenting at the Ubosot whose roof is in many layers reflecting the Lanna style of art. There are also many objects of art such as a carved Buddha image gilded with gold leaf on black lacquer in the forgiving posture of the Lan Chang style. The image’s hair is in small pointed buttons, while its ears are quite pointed and long. It is assumed to have been cast during the 19th – 20th century. Besides, inside the temple stands a carved wooden sermon pulpit gilded with gold leaf on black lacquer with a backrest whose top is similar to a spire of a castle. At the front of the Ubosot are many mural paintings. All of which were newly painted to replace the original ones depicting the ten Jataka stories.

Kaeng Khutkhu (แก่งคุดคู้) is a large cataract in the middle of the Mekong River. As it is exactly situated at the curving part of the river, the flow of the swift current passes this cataract. During the rainy season, there is a flood hiding the overall cataract. The appropriate period to visit the attraction is from February to May when it is dry and the cataract is clearly visible with a curve of a sand bar by the river. As for tourists who would like to closely experience the Mekong River and the nature along both sides, they can rent a motor boat, for a round trip of approximately 1 hour on an agreed price. Moreover, there is various food provided such as grilled chicken, papaya salad, Lap - spicy chicken salad, and other recommended dishes such as Phla – spicy shrimp salad with lemon grass and mint, Kung Ten – live Lanchester’s freshwater prawns with herbs and lime juice, and spicy fish soup from the Mekong River at reasonable prices. To get there: Tourists can take a bus which runs around the town to Kaeng Khutkhu which is located approximately 3 kilometres from Amphoe Chiang Khan.

Phra Phutthabat Phu Khwai Ngoen (พระพุทธบาทภูควายเงิน) is located at Ban Pha Baen, Tambon Buhom. The Buddha’s footprint is 120 centimetres long and 65 centimetres wide, enshrined on a whetstone and was registered as a national ancient monument in 1935. The footprint is highly revered among the locals. In the past, it was difficult to come to worship the footprint; therefore, it was believed that only those who possessed a lot of merit and fortune would be able to come and pay respect to the footprint. Those who did not have enough luck would have many obstacles, preventing them from completing their journey even though some might have high intention, while some might get lost. Every year, on the full moon day of the third lunar month, the temple will organise an annual celebration which is a significant event for the locals. To get there: Take the Chiang Khan – Phak Chom route for a distance of 6 kilometres to Pha Baen village and turn to Umung village for 3 kilometres to the foot of the mountain. Continue further along the laterite road for 1 kilometre.

Phra Yai Phu Khok Ngio (พระใหญ่ภูคกงิ้ว) is also called Phra Phuttha Nawaminthara Mongkhon Lila Thawinakharaphirak. It is situated at Phu Khok Ngio, Ban Tha Di Mi, Tambon Pak Tom, on the hillside at the connecting point of the Hueang and Mekong Rivers. It is a walking Buddha image in the blessing posture, cast of fibre and golden resin combined. It is 19 metres high and 7.2 metres wide at its base. It was cast by the Second Army Area Command and the people as a form of merit making for Their Majesties the King and Queen on the auspicious occasion of His Majesty the King’s 6th Cycle Birthday Anniversary in 1999, as well as, the 50th Anniversary of the Royal Coronation Ceremony in 2000. The construction was completed on 2 February, 2001. Visitors can admire the beautiful scenery of the Mekong River and the Lao People’s Democratic Republic at this place. To get there: From the centre of Loei, take Highway No. 201 (Loei – Chiang Khan) for 47 kilometres, turn left at the T-junction, go straight on to Ban Tha Di Mi, and turn right at Ban Tha Di Mi School for a further 2 kilometres.

Thai Dam Cultural Village (หมู่บ���านวัฒนธรรมไทยดำ) is located at Ban Na Pa Nat, Tambon Khao Kaeo. Thai Dam people migrated from Chiang Khwang Town, Lao People’s Democratic Republic, in 1905 to settle at Ban Na Pa Nat. At present, the Thai Dam culture is still preserved. There are houses constructed in the traditional style of the Thai Dam, as well as, daily utensils, reflecting their lifestyle in the past. Moreover, there is a weaving group of local people. Visitors can witness and purchase textiles as souvenirs. Tourists who would like to experience the lifestyle of the Thai Dam through homestay tourism can contact the Thai Dam Cultural Preservation Centre 1 week in advance at Tel. 08 1048 2000. It costs 300 Baht / person for 1 night accommodation and 2 meals. To get there: Take the Loei – Chiang Khan route for approximately 38 kilometres and turn right into Ban Na Si for approximately 10 kilometres until reaching Ban Na Pa Nat.

Amphoe Wang Saphung
Sirindhorn Art Centre (ศูนย์ศิลป์สิรินธร) is situated within the compound of Si Songkhram Witthaya School, constructed in 1993 and covering an area of approximately 6 rai. It is a venue displaying beautiful paintings of students who have gained popularity at both national and international levels. Moreover, it is a source of knowledge on arts and culture, comprising both permanent and rotating exhibition halls, an arts training building, as well as a shop selling art pieces and souvenirs. The name “Sirindhorn Art Centre” was granted by Her Royal Highness Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn. For further information, please contact Tel. 0 4284 1409-10.

Amphoe Phu Luang
Phu Luang Wildlife Sanctuary (เขตรักษาพันธุ์สัตว์ป่าภูหลวง) Phu Luang means a large mountain or the Mountain of the King, formed by an uplift of the earth’s crust and a slide of soft soil down to the lower land. Phu Luang was declared a wildlife sanctuary on 18 December, 1974. It covers an area of approximately 560,593 rai and is generally a plateau with a cool climate throughout the year. It is situated in Amphoe Wang Saphung, Amphoe Phu Ruea, Amphoe Dan Sai and Amphoe Phu Luang. There are overall 3 types of climate on Phu Luang, similar to a plain, with different temperatures. Summer starts from February to April with an average temperature of 20-24 °C. During this season, there are colourful blossoms such as dendrobiums, white wild orchids, white and red rhododendrons. The period suitable to come and admire the fields of white and red rhododendrons is during February – March. The rainy season is from May to October, when the temperature is equally or slightly higher than in the summer. There will be tiny wild flowers in purplish pink scattered in the savanna. On the other hand, the temperature highly drops during the winter to 0-16 °C in November – January. On some days, the temperature can decrease to -4°C. During this season, Kuam Daeng (Acer calcaratum) or known as maple trees will transform into red and shed their leaves. Kradum Ngoen (Eriocaulon henryanum Ruhle) and lady’s slipper orchids (Paphiopedilum sukhakulii Schoser & Senghas) comprise the undergrowth of the hill evergreen forest. On the east of Phu Luang, dinosaur’s footprints on the rock, aged more than 120 million years were discovered. Besides, there are various kinds of forests such as mixed deciduous forest, dry evergreen forest, and hill evergreen forest. The most distinguished ones on Phu Luang are Pinus merkusii and Kesiya pine forests, savanna on plains, mounds, and stone terraces. Moreover, the wildlife sanctuary has organised the Phu Luang Nature Study Route, starting from Amphoe Phu Ruea at Khok Nok Kraba, passing Lan Suriyan, Pha Somdet, and the dinosaur’s footprints. Along the route, visitors will see white and red rhododendrons and various wild orchids. The trip takes 1-2 days. Interested visitors should be accompanied by a ranger. Accommodation:	The sanctuary provides accommodation for tourists. Reserve in advance at the National Park, Wildlife and Plant Conservation Department at Tel. 0 2579 9446, 0 2561 4836 or Phu Luang Wildlife Sanctuary at Tel. 08 1221 0547. To get there:	Take Highway No. 203, the Loei – Phu Ruea route, for approximately 36 kilometres to Ban San Tom, turn left at the side of the Ban San Tom School and go along the asphalt route for 18 kilometres until reaching the Huai Thong Checkpoint. Proceed further along the laterite path for approximately 10 kilometres to the Khok Nok Kraba Ranger Station. A four-wheeled drive car should be used. In case that the car cannot be driven uphill, there is a pickup for rent provided at the Huai Thong Checkpoint.
 * Travelling to Phu Luang:	Visitors have to contact the Wildlife Conservation Office, the Department of National Park, Wildlife and Flora in Bangkok at Tel. 0 2561 4292-3 ext: 706-707, 15 days in advance, or at www.dnp.go.th. The appropriate period to visit Phu Luang is during October – May. The sanctuary is closed during the rainy season. Entrance fee is 200 Baht for an adult and 100 Baht for a child.

Amphoe Na Duang
Tham Pha Ya (ถ้ำผายา) is located inside Wat Tham Pha Ya at Ban Mai Santi Tham, Tambon Na Dok Kham. Inside the cave is a flock of millions of insect-eating bats. Visitors can wait and see them flying out of the cave and searching for food in a long line for nearly an hour from 5.00 to 6.00 p.m. everyday. To get there:	From Amphoe Na Duang, take Highway No. 2138 for approximately 8 kilometres. Turn into Highway No. 2249 for 9 kilometres and turn right at Ban Phia (near Wat Liap). Then, continue along the Ro Pho Cho Road (No. 3117) for 11 kilometres.

King Amphoe Erawan
Ban Lek Nai Pa Yai Project, Pha Nang – Pha Koeng (โครงการบ้านเล็กในป่าใหญ่ ผานาง – ผาเกิ้ง) is a project under an initiative of Her Majesty Queen Sirikit. Inside the project are productions of silk, handicrafts, bamboo and teakwood kitchenwares, as well as, mushroom farms producing Lacquered mushrooms, Shiitake mushrooms, and grey oyster mushrooms and various products on sale. Besides, there are various activities such as fishing, cycling tour, feeding many kinds of animals, and admiring the scenery around the project. Accommodation is also provided for tourists. It is open daily from 8.00 a.m. – 4.00 p.m. For further information, please contact Tel. 0 4281 2290. To get there:	Take the Loei – Wang Saphung route for a distance of 20 kilometres and turn left toward King Amphoe Erawan for approximately 31 kilometres to the Ban Wang Samran School. Turn left and go further for 1.5 kilometres.

King Amphoe Nong Hin
Suan Hin Pha Ngam or Thailand’s Kunming (สวนหินผางาม หรือ คุนหมิงเมืองไทย) is located at Ban Pha Ngam, Mu 10, Tambon Puan Phu. It is a limestone garden aged around 230-280 million years, occurring from the aggradation of beach deposits. Then, an uplift of the earth’s crust, together with millions of years of natural rot have made this mountain be strangely beautiful, similar to the stone garden in Kunming, the People’s Republic of China. Therefore, it was named “Thailand’s Kunming”. Within the compound is also situated a tourist information centre. To admire the nature, interested persons can contact an officer to conduct a tour around the stone garden as a group of 10 persons, costing 100 Baht per group. This is because of the narrowness and labyrinthine path which visitors might be able to get lost. Interesting travelling routes in the stone garden are Tham Thalu, mountains in strange animal shapes, a viewpoint at the summit of Khao Pha Bong or the stone mountain with a hole in the middle of its top. Each point is called differently. For further information, please contact Tel. 0 4280 1900. To get there: 	From King Amphoe Nong Hin, take Highway No. 201, the Loei – Chum Phae route for approximately 43 kilometres and turn right for approximately 19 kilometres.

Tham Mahoran (ถ้ำมโหฬาร) is located within the compound of Wat Tham Mahoran, Ban Nong Hin, Tambon Nong Hin. It is a large cave whose entrance enshrines a Buddha image in subduing Mara posture. The area within the cave is quite large comprising of stalactites and stalagmites, as well as, caves in smaller sizes. A Buddha’s footprint was also found on the wall of the cave. There is an inscription mentioning its construction period in 1952. It has been told that Luangpu Man Phurithatto once came to observe the Buddhist precepts in this cave.

Tham Phothisat (ถ้ำโพธิสัตว์) or Thailand’s Guilin is situated within the compound of Wat Tham Phothisat. It is a complex cave. Therefore, a leader, arranged by the Puan Phu Sub-district Administration Organization, is necessary for touring the cave. For further information, please contact the Puan Phu Sub-district Administration Organization at Tel. 0 4289 4254. To get there: Take the similar route as to Suan Hin Pha Ngam, but turn right at Ban Puan Phu intersection and go further along the Puan Phu – Phu Luang route for approximately 3 kilometres.

Namtok Phiang Din (น้ำตกเพียงดิน) is 4 kilometres further from Suan Hin Pha Ngam. The waterfall is at the end of the asphalt road. To admire the waterfall, visitors will have to walk from the summit to the lowest level. It is a shady atmosphere within the compound. Moreover, local food shops are provided. For further information, please contact the Suan Hin Pha Ngam tourist information centre at Tel. 0 4280 1900.

Amphoe Phu Kradueng
Phu Kradueng National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติภูกระดึง) is located in Tambon Si Than, covering an area of 217,576 rai. It was proclaimed a national park on 23 November, 1962. It is a popular natural attraction of Thailand due to its abundance of natural resources, comprising various types of ecological systems and geography such as savanna, pine forest, evergreen forest, maple forest, beautiful species of flowers, rhododendrons, Ueang Kham Hin - Eria lasiopetala (Willd.) Omerod, waterfalls, and viewpoints on the cliff. The distinguished characteristic of this national park is that it is a sandstone mountain with a wide plain summit, whose shape is similar to a leaf of the Elephant ear or a heart, with a height of 400-1,200 metres above sea level. Before travelling to Phu Kradueng, tourists should pass a medical check-up because they have to walk and climb up the mountains for a distance of 9 kilometres (walking uphill for 5 kilometres and another 3-4 kilometres on a flat path). The park is open from 7.00 a.m. – 2.00 p.m., but it will be closed to revive the condition of the forest during June to September of every year.

Interesting attractions in the park are as follows: The route to Phu Kradueng is quite steep but there are rest spots called “Sam”, meaning an area where there is an emergence of the underground water. At each point, there are food and drinks provided. Moreover, there are Pha Mak Duk, Pha Daeng, Pha Yiap Mek, Namtok Wang Kwang, Namtok Phen Phop Mai, Namtok Phon Phop, Namtok Phen Phop, Namtok Tham Yai, Namtok Than Sawan, Namtok Tham So Nuea, Namtok Tham So Tai, Sa Anodat, etc. The admission fee is 400 Baht for an adult and 200 Baht for a child. A porter service is charged at 10 Baht a kilo. Tourists can rent a tent and accommodation at the office of the park at Tel. 0 4287 1333 or the Department of National Park, Wildlife and Flora in Bangkok at Tel. 0 2562 0760 or www.dnp.go.th.
 * Pha Nok Aen (ผานกแอ่น) is 2 kilometres from the park. It is a small stone terrace with pine trees standing at the cliff’s edge. It is a beautiful sunrise spot overlooking the scenery of the grass field and mountain range. Along the path near the cliff lies a large grove of red and white rhododendrons usually in full bloom during March and April.
 * Pha Lom Sak (ผาหล่มสัก) is 8 kilometres from the office of the national park. It is a wide stone terrace with a large pine tree near an overhanging cliff. It is a place where the sunset can be the most clearly viewed attracting tourists, as well as, photographers to come and take shots as souvenirs. It is considered as the symbol of Phu Kradueng.
 * Namtok Tat Hong (น้ำตกตาดฮ้อง) is a waterfall located within the compound of the national park. The park also opens an adventure route called “Tam Roi Seri Thai, Thong Phrai Tat Hong”. This is because this route was once a route of the Seri Thai (Free Thai) Movement, constructed from Loei to Phetchabun during World War II as a route for Field Marshall Plaek Pibulsongkram to take refuge from the Japanese soldiers. The waterfall is 40 metres high. When falling from the cliff to the basin, it creates a loud and resonant sound of water. Therefore, it is called “Namtok Tat Hong”. Moreover, there are many attractions along the route such as Tat Huai Wua, Hat Sai Khao, Kaeng Hin Tang, pre-historic paintings, as well as, the viewpoint at Phu Lat Muang.

To get there:

 * By car From the centre of Mueang Loei, take Highway No. 201, the Loei – Phu Kradueng route, 75 kilometres from the province and turn right into Highway No. 2019 for 8 kilometres to the park office.
 * By bus Tourists can travel by Bangkok - Loei bus. Get off at Pha Nok Khao which is a connecting point between Chum Phae – Phu Kradueng. From this point, there is a mini bus to Phu Kradueng National Park. Otherwise, tourists can take the Bangkok – Chum Phae bus, get off at Chum Phae Market and continue with the Chum Phae - Pha Nok Khao bus to Pha Nok Khao. There will be a minibus (Song Thaeo) provided to the national park.

Amphoe Phu Ruea
Phu Ruea National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติภูเรือ) is located in Tambon Nong Bua, Amphoe Phu Ruea and Amphoe Tha Li. Its northern boundary connects to the Lao People’s Democratic Republic where there are gigantic mountains with a large plain on their tops and complex pine trees. Its special characteristic is an overhanging cliff in the similar shape as a prow of a junk. Geographically, it is an undulating mountain range comprising sandstone and granite mountains. Fauna which can be widely seen are bear, barking deer, Asiatic wild dogs, Siamese firebacks, and Siamese big-headed turtles. Since Phu Ruea National Park is located on a high mountain, the climate at the park is cool throughout the year. It is also considered as the coolest national park of the country. It is especially cool during winter with the dewdrops at the top of the grass becoming frost. They are called in local language as “Mae Khaning”. The park covers an area of approximately 75,525 rai. The most appropriate time to travel is during October to March.

Interesting attractions in the national park are as follows:

Moreover, there are other interesting attractions such as Tham Hin Taek, Hin Khang Mo, Hin Wua Non, Hin Phan Khanmak, Hin Phra Siwa, Suan Hin Tao, Thung Hin Lek Fai. These rocks, deriving their names from their shapes, are located in the middle of the grass field. During the end of the rainy season to the beginning of the winter, there are plenty of tiny and admirable flowers scattered in this area. Accommodation	The national park provides accommodation for tourists. For further information, please contact and reserve in advance at the office of the national park at Tel. 0 4288 4144 or at the Department of National Park, Wildlife and Flora at Tel. 0 2562 0760 or www.dnp.go.th. To get there	From the centre of Mueang Loei, take Highway No. 203, the Loei – Phu Ruea route for approximately 54 kilometres and turn right at Km. 49-50 at the Phu Ruea District Office and go further for approximately 4 kilometres. It can be accessible by car and continue with the 700-metre walking trail to the summit of the mountain.
 * Decho Viewpoint (จุดชมทิวทัศน์เดโช)* is a viewspot for the sunrise. On a nice-weather-day, tourists can see various mountains of Loei.
 * Pha Lon Noi (ผาโหล่นน้อย) is 3 kilometres from the national park’s headquarters. It is a beautiful place to admire the sunrise. From this spot, Phu Luang, Phu Pha Sat, Phu Khrang and a sea of complex mountain ranges can be seen.
 * Pha Sapthong or Pha Kulap (ผาซับทอง หรือ ผากุหลาบ) is located approximately 2.5 kilometres from the office of the national park. It is a steep cliff with seepage full of water throughout the year where there is plenty of golden yellow lichen.
 * Namtok Huai Phai (น้ำตกห้วยไผ่) is approximately 2 kilometres from the office of the national park. This waterfall is dropping from a steep cliff with an approximate height of 30 metres. The water from this waterfall is also utilised to produce pipe water in Amphoe Phu Ruea.
 * Yot Phu Ruea (ยอดภูเรือ) is the highest spot in the national park which is 1,365 metres above sea level. Within its compound is a stone terrace and grass field mixed with pine forest comprising Pinus merkusii which is naturally grown and Kesiya pine which is planted. From this spot, tourists can see the Hueang River and the Mekong River which marks the border between Thailand and the Lao People’s Democratic Republic.

Amphoe Dan Sai
Phrathat Si Song Rak (พระธาตุศรีสองรัก) is situated on the bank of the Man River, approximately 1 kilometre from Amphoe Dan Sai or 83 kilometres from the centre of the province. Its architecture is in the Lan Chang style. Phrathat, a stupa containing the Buddha’s relics, is 19.19 metres high, 10.89 metres wide with a square base of 12 redented corners. The stupa is in an “angular lotus” shape similar to Phrathat Phanom, Phrathat Luang (Vientiane), Phrathat Si Khotrabong (Khammoun Province) and many others along the Mekong River. Phrathat Si Song Rak was constructed in 1563 and completed in 1566 as a memorial of the assistance between the Kingdom of Ayutthaya (during the reign of King Chakkraphat) and the Kingdom of Lan Chang (Vientiane) during the reign of King Chaiyachetthathirat. Moreover, within the compound of the temple is enshrined a Buddha image canopied by a seven-headed Naga in the Tibetan style of art. On the full moon day in the 6th lunar month, the Dan Sai people or “Luk Phueng Luk Thian” will organise a ceremony celebrating Phrathat Si Song Rak by bringing Ton Phueng, (a bamboo framework in a castle shape with a width of 60 centimetres and a height of a bit over 60 centimetres, covered with engraved banana stalk and decorated with “Dok Phueng”, flowers made of round and thin pieces of sun-heated wax, as well as, attached with the Globe Amaranth or small pieces of Turmeric to represent the colourful pollen). Moreover, Thian Wian Hua (a stick of candle rolled to be long enough to wrap around one’s head) is also presented to Phrathat. It is considered as a holy tradition taking place every year from the end of April to May. To get there	From the centre of Amphoe Mueang Loei, take Highway No. 203, the Loei - Phu Ruea route and turn into Highway No. 2013 for a further 15 kilometres to Amphoe Dan Sai. Then, turn right into Highway No. 2113 for a further 1 kilometre.

Practices on Phrathat Si Song Rak are as follows: (Note: Before conducting any ceremonies relating to Phrathat, please request for advice in advance from the guardian officers.)
 * Objects and flowers in red must not be presented. Similarly, visitors should not dress in red. It is because Phrathat was built for truth and friendship, while red symbolises blood and violence.
 * Fold the umbrella and take off the hat and shoes before ascending to the Phrathat.
 * Children aged under 3 years old should not be taken to visit Phrathat.

Wat Neramit Wipatsana (วัดเนรมิตวิปัสสนา) is located on a hillside near Phrathat Si Song Rak. Both the Ubosot and Chedi are beautifully constructed of laterite. The large Ubosot is interiorly decorated in resemblance to the great temples of Bangkok. Moreover, a replica of Phra Phutthachinnarat is enshrined as the main image. There are also splendid mural paintings around the interior. For further information, please contact Tel. 0 4289 1094.

Phi Ta Khon Museum (พิพิธภัณฑ์บ้านผีตาโขน) is situated within the compound of Wat Phon Chai, 82 kilometres from Amphoe Mueang. It is an educational attraction for those interested in the Bun Luang and Phi Ta Khon Festivals. The museum’s buildings are made of wood displaying the background of Dan Sai town, Phi Ta Khon exhibition, demonstration of Phi Ta Khon mask-making and various souvenirs. It is open daily from 9.00 a.m. – 5.00 p.m. Besides, there are an Ubosot reflecting the skills of local craftsmen, as well as, a replica of Phrathat Si Song Rak where Bun Phra Wet and other merit-making festivals, including Bun Luang Festival and Phi Ta Khon are organised. For further information, please contact the Dan Sai Non-formal Education Centre at Tel. 0 4289 1094.

Amphoe Na Haeo
Wat Pho Chai Na Phueng (วัดโพธิ์ชัยนาพึง) is situated at Ban Na Phueng, Tambon Na Phueng. The temple is assumed to have been constructed during the late period of the Ayutthaya Empire. Enshrined within the abbot’s cell is the Prachao Ong Saen Buddha image, an ancient image of the town for many generations. The image is sitting cross-legged with an oval face, a flame-like spire at the top of the image’s hair, and a cloth over the image’s shoulder made of gold, silver, and copper alloy. It is assumed to be the Chiang Saen style of art. Besides, within the compound of the Wihan or locally called Aram are mural paintings of the Buddha’s biography and local literature. The north side of the mural states that the paintings were made in 1852 during the reign of King Rama IV. At the outside of this same Ubosot are paintings which were later created in 1916. It can be considered as a very precious ancient monument and object of Loei province. The Fine Arts Department registered the temple as an important national ancient monument on 1 February, 1987. To get there	Take the Loei – Dan Sai route for approximately 82 kilometres, turn right into Highway No. 2113 and go further along the Dan Sai – Na Haeo route for 23 kilometres.

Na Haeo National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาตินาแห้ว) covers a total area of 73,225 rai. Its geography comprises of undulating mountain ranges lining up from the north to the south. Most of the forests are dry evergreen forests mixed with deciduous trees. Along the high area are hill evergreen forests which are also a natural boundary between Thailand and the Lao People’s Democratic Republic. Fauna that can be seen are Sumatran serow, Asiatic wild dogs, hawks, and Siamese big-headed turtles.

Interesting attractions within the national park are as follows:
 * Namtok Khing (น้ำตกคิ้ง) is situated on the Saeng Pha - Lao Ko Highway along the Phrae River. The waterfall comprises of many rock tiers. At this spot, the government has constructed a royal residence for Her Royal Highness Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn who visited this place on 12 February, 1991.
 * Namtok Chang Tok (น้ำตกช้างตก) is located 500 metres higher than Namtok Khing which is also along the Phrae River. It is steeper than the lower one.

 * Namtok Wang Tat (น้ำตกวังตาด) is situated 1.5 kilometres above Namtok Chang Tok and located along the Phrae River as well.

 * Namtok Tat Hueang or Namtok Thai-Lao (น้ำตกเหืองหรือน้ำตกไทย-ลาว) is along the Hueang River, comprising of 3 different tiers with a height of approximately 50 metres. There is water throughout the year. This area is abundant and suitable for relaxation. It is also a border between Thailand and the Lao People’s Democratic Republic.

 * Namtok Pha Khao (น้ำตกผาค้อ) is along the Heuang River, a border between Thailand and the Lao People’s Democratic Republic. Within this area stand abundant trees, creating shady atmosphere suitable for relaxation.

 * Hin Si Thit (หินสี่ทิศ) is on Phu Tin Suan Sai mountain range. On its south are four rocks rising up in the middle of the tropical evergreen forest. Local people usually go up to pay respect at this place once every three years, thus it is called “Song Pi Ham, Sam Pi Khrop”. The merit making is called “Bun Phu Yai or Bun Suan Miang” organised around the end of the 3rd or 4th lunar month on an unspecific day.

 * Hin Kuai Lo (หินก่วยหล่อ) is located at the foot of Phu Tin Suan Sai. It is a sandstone whose shape is similar to a mushroom bud rising in the middle of the tropical evergreen forest.

 * Noen 1408 Viewpoint (จุดชมวิวเนิน 1408) is situated on Phu Tin Suan Sai. It is the highest viewpoint and centre of the national park. Looking to the east and the southeast, Ban Bo Mueang Noi, Ban Saeng Pha, and Amphoe Na Haeo can be seen. It is also a beautiful viewpoint to see the sunrise.

 * Noen 1255 Viewpoint (จุดชมวิวเนิน 1255) is a short-distant viewpoint where the scenery of Ban Huai Nam Phak below, as well as, Phu Soi Dao and Phu Wiang in the Lao People’s Democratic Republic can be witnessed.

Besides, the park has organised 2 nature routes of 2 kilometres and 5 kilometres, respectively for tourists from the office of the national park to Phu Suan Sai. Each route will be led by a park officer.

Accommodation	The national park provides accommodation, costing 2,000 Baht / 10-15 tourists, 3,000 Baht/ 30-40 tourists, tents costing 250 Baht / 3 persons. As for those who bring their own tent, it costs 30 Baht a person for the camping area. For further information, please contact the National Park Headquarters at Tel. 0 4281 9340 or the Department of National Park, Wildlife and Flora at Tel. 0 2561 4292-4, 0 2579 7223 ext: 724, 725 or www.dnp.go.th.

To get there	From the centre of Mueang Loei, take Highway No. 203 for a distance of 68 kilometres. Turn right at Ban Khok Ngam Intersection and go along Highway No. 2031 for 12 kilometres. At Amphoe Dan Sai, turn right to Highway No. 2113 and proceed further for 32 kilometres to Amphoe Na Haeo. From Amphoe Na Haeo, go further for 4 kilometres to Ban Mueang Phrae and turn left along Highway No. 1268, passing Tambon Saeng Pha and turn right at the crossroad on Highway No. 1268 again at Km. 17. Go further for 3 kilometres, and tourists will reach the office of the national park.

Amphoe Tha Li
Phrathat Satcha (พระธาตุสัจจะ) is situated within the compound of Wat Lat Pu Song Tham, Ban Tha Li, Tambon Tha Li. The pagoda is similar to Phrathat Phanom. Components of Phrathat Satcha comprise a base of blooming lotus with 3 tiers of petals with a height of approximately 1 metre around it. The pagoda is in the middle with a height of 33 metres, constructed to extend the fortune of Phrathat Phanom which collapsed in the past, as well as, to continually be a revered place of worship. To get there: Take Highway No. 201 and turn left into Highway No. 2115, the Tha Li �� Ahi route. It is located approximately 2 kilometres from the Tha Li District Office.

The Thai-Lao Friendship Bridge across the Hueang River (สะพานมิตรภาพน้ำเหืองไทย-ลาว) is situated at Ban Na Kraseng. It is a bridge crossing the Hueang River and connecting between Thailand and the Lao People’s Democratic Republic. From this bridge, visitors can pass through Chaiya Buri to the World Heritage Town of Luang Phrabang, a distance of 363 kilometres. Otherwise, visitors can cross the bridge to travel and purchase duty-free products at the shops on the Lao PDR side. To get there: Take the Loei – Tha Li route, a distance of 47 kilometres. At the centre of the district, turn right for approximately 2 kilometres to Phrathat Satcha and turn right for approximately 7 kilometres.

Crossing the Border at the Thai-Lao Friendship Bridge across the Heung River, please contact the Tha Li District Office at Tel. 0 4288 9359 and the Tha Li Immigration Checkpoint at Tel. 0 4288 9208.

Agrotourism Attractions
Loei Turkey Farm (ฟาร์มไก่งวงเมืองเลย) is at Ban Ko Rai Yai, Tambon Siao. It belongs to Mr. Sathit Phaksiphaeng, the Vice Governor of Loei, who encourages local farmers to raise turkeys for their supplementary income as well as, be a tourism promotion by using a slogan “Think of Turkeys,

Think of Mueang Loei”. There are thousands of turkeys in the farm. Tourists can witness the beautiful spread of turkeys’ tail feathers everyday from 8.30 – 12.00 a.m. For further information, please contact Tel. 0 4281 3046.

Loei Plant and Plant Production Materials Technical Service Centre 2, Loei Province (Phu Ruea Highland Agricultural Experiment Station) (ศูนย์บริการวิชาการด้านพืชและปัจจัยการผลิตเลย 2 จังหวัดเลย (สถานีทดลองเกษตรที่สูงภูเรือ)) is located at Tambon Pla Ba. It is an organisation responsible for academic research and study on temperate flowers and fruits, as well as, local horticulture, suitable for the climate and the ecological system such as Salvia field, Agarwood plots, fragrant plant garden in honour of H.M. the King, strawberry plots, and potted plant greenhouse. Then, the outcome of the research and study will be publicised among farmers and interested people. It is open daily from 8.00 a.m. – 4.00 p.m. Tourists who would like to see orchards and temperate plants should visit during September-April. Moreover, there is accommodation and camping area provided. For further information, please contact Tel. 0 4289 1199.

Phu Ruea Wanothayan Vineyard or Chateau de Loei (สวนองุ่นภูเรือวโนทยาน หรือ ชาโ��้ เดอ เลย) Take the Mueang Loei – Phu Ruea – Dan Sai route for a distance of approximately 65 kilometres. It is the biggest vineyard of Thailand, covering a planting area of thousands of rai. There are grapes for both fresh consumption and those for wine. Tourists can drive into the vineyard where there is a shop selling fresh grapes, organic vegetables, wine of Chateau de Loei, and Victory brandy. It is open from 8.00 a.m. – 4.30 p.m. If tourists are interested in visiting the Chateau de Loei Winery, please contact Tel. 0 4289 1970 for further information.

Ban Nong Bong Temperate Flowers Market (ตลาดดอกไม้เมืองหนาวบ้านหนองบง) is a market place offering various kinds of temperate flowers planted by farmers. Visitors can admire the beauty of the flowers, as well as, purchase them as souvenirs home. For further information, please contact Tel. 0 4289 9338. To get there: Take Highway No. 203, the Loei – Phu Ruea route, approximately 47 kilometres from the centre of the town ( 3 kilometres prior to Amphoe Phu Ruea).

Khamnuan Nursery (คำนวนเนิร์สเซอร์รี่) is 3 kilometres from Amphoe Phu Ruea. It is an agrotourism attraction where there are various temperate flowers, as well as, decorative plants especially the hanging Petunia, and Poinsettia. Visitors can admire the beauty of plants and purchase them as souvenirs home. Contact Tel. 0 4289 9275. To get there: Take Highway No. 203 (Phu Ruea – Dan Sai), 47 kilometres from the centre of Amphoe Mueang.

Sanya Farm (ไร่สัณยา) is situated in Ban Kaeng Laen. This farm grows Shiitake mushrooms throughout the year and sells them to the local and nearby areas. Tourists can visit and purchase products from the farm home. It is open from 8.00 a.m. – 5.00 p.m. Moreover, there is accommodation provided. For further information, please contact Tel. 08 1954 3573, 08 1975 7623. To get there: Take Highway No. 203, Phu Ruea – Dan Sai, located 14 kilometres from Amphoe Phu Ruea.

TSA Co., Ltd. (บริษัท ที เอส เอ จำกัด) is situated at Ban Kok Pho. It produces flowers, decorative plants and various kinds of vegetables, grown by the seedling process for sale. Within the compound of the area, visitors can admire a variety of temperate flowers in the plot. For further information, please contact Tel. 0 4289 1408. To get there: Take Highway No. 203, the Phu Ruea – Dan Sai route, 7 kilometres from the centre of Amphoe Phu Ruea and turn right for approximately 1 kilometre.

Golf Courses
Kamlang-ek Golf Course (สนามกอล์ฟกำลังเอก) Loei-Chiang Khan Road. Tel. 0 4281 1939 ext: 2189. Par 3 Driving Range (สนามไดร์กอล์ฟ พาร์ 3) Loei-Chiang Khan Road (Soi Makham Wan). Tel. 0 4283 5351. Mueang Loei Drive Golf (เมืองเลยไดร์กอล์ฟ) Ban Fak Na. Pho To Tho Driving Range (สนามไดร์กอล์ฟ พ.ต.ท.) 1718 Maliwan Road (located near the airport).

Local Products and Souvenirs

 * Ban Kang Pla Thai Loei Fabric Weaving Group (กลุ่มทอผ้าไทเลยบ้านก้างปลา) is situated at Ban Kang Pla. Take the Loei - Chiang Khan route, Highway No. 201, for 4 kilometres from the centre of Amphoe Mueang Loei and turn right into Kang Pla Village and go further for 1 kilometre. At the village headman’s house, the people usually get together to weave Thai Loei fabric, a unique product of the province. Tourists are able to witness the weaving demonstration and purchase products such as fabric, men clothes, dresses, loincloth, bags, etc.

 * Ban Na Kraseng Rattan Handicraft and Local Weaving Fabric Group (กลุ่มหัตถกรร��หวายและผ้าทอพื้นเมืองบ้านนากระเซ็ง) is located in Ban Na Kraseng, Amphoe Tha Li. It is a group producing furniture and various utensils made of rattan, as well as, fine and delicate local fabric. Visitors can witness the production process and purchase products as souvenirs. Contact Tel.        08 9840 9317, 08 9862 5919. To get there: Take the Loei �� Tha Li route for a distance of 47 kilometres, turn right at Amphoe Mueang to Ban Ahi for approximately 9 kilometres and turn right toward Ban Na Kraseng for 5 kilometres.

Amphoe Mueang Loei

 * Kings (คิงส์) 11/9-12 Chum Sai Road, Tel. 0 4281 1783, 50 rooms: 380-1,200 baht.
 * Sugar Guesthouse (ชูการ์ เกสต์เฮาส์)	 4/1 Wisutthithep Soi 4 Road, Tel.    0 4281 2982, 8 rooms: 150-350 baht.
 * Sun Palace (ซัน พาเลส) 191/5 Charoen Rat Road, Tel. 0 4281 5714,       0 4281 5717, 42 rooms: 350-600 baht.
 * Sometime Resort (ซัมไทม์ รีสอร์ท) 15/1 Soi Makham Wan, Tel. 0 4286 1668, 08 1662 4581, 11 rooms: 400-800 baht, www.sometimeresort.com.
 * Thai Udom (ไทยอุดม) 122/1 Charoen Rat Road, Tel. 0 4281 1763,         0 4281 1789, 60 rooms: 200-800 baht.
 * Buncharoen Apartment (บุญเจริญ อพาร์ตเมนท์) 54/48 Soet Si Road, Tel. 0 4283 3250, 0 4283 3230, 49 rooms: 230-320 baht.
 * Baan Fa Dow Family Resort (บ้านฟ้าดาว แฟมิลี่ รีสอร์ท) 141 Mu 8, Wat Tham Pha Pu Soi 3, Ban Nong Maphang, Tambon Na O, Loei – Chiang Khan Road, Tel. 08 1871 9371, 19 rooms: 790-3,000 baht, www.baanfadow.com.
 * Fak Na Resort (ฟากนา รีสอร์ท) 388 Mu 4, Ban Na An, 9 rooms: 300-400 baht.
 * Flora Hill (ฟลอร่า ฮิลล์) 150 Ban Ko Rai Yai, Tambon Siao, Tel. 0 4280 1262-3, 50 bungalows: 450-1,800 baht.
 * Nam Man Resort (น้ำหมาน รีสอร์ท) 80 Mu 3, Rai Muang – Pong Bia Road, Tambon Nam Man, Tel. 0 4280 1007, 18 rooms: 500-1,200 baht.
 * Phu Luang (ภูหลวง) 55 Charoen Rat Road, Tel. 0 4281 1532, 0 4283 0555, 78 rooms: 330-900 baht.
 * Phu Kratae Resort (ภูกระแต รีสอร์ท) 37 Mu 7, Tambon Na An, Tel.        0 4283 3294, 13 bungalows: 250-400 baht.
 * Phu Kham (ภูคำ) Loei Rajabhat University, Loei - Chiang Khan Road, Tel. 0 4281 3416, 20 rooms: 350 baht.
 * Mongkhon Resort (มงคล รีสอร์ท) 21 Mu 8, Maliwan Road, Tel. 0 4283 3140, 46 rooms: 250-400 baht.
 * Mueang Loei Resort (เมืองเลย รีสอร์ท) 97 Mu 6, Km. No. 5, Loei – Wang Saphung Road, Tel. 0 4283 2863, 0 4283 3435, 48 bungalows: 400-1,300 baht.
 * Royal Inn (รอยัล อินน์) 22/16 Chum Sai Road, Tel. 0 4281 2563, 0 4283 0177, 36 rooms: 350-750 baht.
 * Loei Palace (เล��� พาเลซ) Loei - Na Duang Road, Tambon Kut Pong, Tel.  0 4281 5668-73, 156 rooms: 2,825-8,710 baht, E-mail: loeipalace@hotmail.com, www.amari.com.
 * Loei Orchid (เลย ออร์คิด) 1/41 Sathon Chiang Khan Road, Tel. 0 4286 1886-7, 54 rooms: 800-1,000 baht.
 * So Apartment (ส. อพาร์ตเมนท์) 43/1 Khiri Rat Road, Tambon Kut Pong, Tel. 0 4283 3644-5, 39 rooms: 200-250 baht.
 * Sarai Thong (สาหร่ายทอง) 25/5 Ruam Chit Road, Tel. 0 4281 1582, 30 rooms: 190-250 baht.
 * A.P. Court Hotel (เอ พี คอร์ท) 31/29 Ruam Chai Road, Tel. 0 4286 1627-29, Fax: 0 4286 1631, 60 rooms: 390-600 baht, E-mail: apcourthotel@hotmail.com.

Amphoe Chiang Khan

 * Kaeng Khutkhu Resort (แก่งคุดคู้ รีสอร์ท) 40/3 Mu 4, Tambon Chiang Khan, Tel. 0 4281 2248, 11 rooms: 200 baht.
 * Chiang Khan Hill Resort (เชียงคาน ฮิลล์ รีสอร์ท) 28/2 Mu 4, Ruam Chai Naruemit Road, Tambon Chiang Khan, Tel. 0 4282 1285, 0 4282 1414, 20 rooms: 800-3,600 baht, E-mail: www.chiangkhanhill.com.
 * Chiang Khan Guesthouse (เชียงคาน เกสต์เฮาส์) 282 Mu 2, Chai Khong Road, Tel. 0 4282 1691, 13 rooms: 150-300 baht, E-mail: www.thailandunplugged.com.
 * Ton Khong Guesthouse (ต้นโขง เกสต์เฮาส์) 299/3 Chai Khong Road, Tel. 0 4282 1547, 8 rooms: 150-300 baht, E-mail: tonkhong@hotmail.com.
 * Mekong Culture and Nature Tour (แม่โขงคัลเจอร์ แอนด์ เนเจอร์ ทัวร์) 407 Mu 1, Tambon Chiang Khan, Tel. 0 4282 1457, 8 bungalows: 800 baht, E-mail: mcn-thailand@hotmail.com (Located by the river with kayaks and mountain bikes for rent, as well as, a camping site provided.)
 * Rim Khong (ริมโขง) 294/1 Chai Khong Road, Tel. 0 4282 1125, 6 rooms: 130-340 baht, www.rimkhongchk@hotmail.com.
 * Suk Sombun (สุขสมบูรณ์) 243/3 Chai Khong Road, Tel. 0 4282 1064, 15 rooms: 300-490 baht.

Amphoe Pak Chom

 * Pak Chom Resort (ปากชม รีสอร์ท) 315 Mu 1, Si Chiang Mai Road, Tel. 0 4288 1033, 08 1872 3306, 9 bungalows: 250-400 baht.
 * Ruanrat Resort (เรือนรัตน์ รีสอร์ท) 263/3 Mu 1, Tambon Pak Chom, Tel. 0 4288 1523, 08 9863 7098, 9 bungalows, 12 rooms: 300-500 baht, www.ruanrat.com.
 * Akalin (อกาลิน) 113 Ban Thap Sa-ngao, Pak Chom – Si Chiang Mai Road, Tambon Huai Phichai. Bangkok Office, Tel. 0 2712 9872, 08 1901 0402, 6 bungalows: 4,000-20,000 baht.

Amphoe Wang Saphung

 * Kusuma Resort (กุสุมา รีสอร์ท) 59/10 Maliwan Road, Tel. 0 4285 0619, 08 9709 6189, 9 rooms: 200-300 baht.
 * Khun Phaen Resort (ขุนแผน รีสอร์ท) 404 Mu 6, Maliwan Road, Tel.      0 4284 1500, 16 bungalows: 300-500 baht.
 * Phuphasing Valley (��ูผาสิงห์ วาเลย์) 222 Loei – Udon Road, Tambon Nong Ya Plong, Tel. 0 4284 1333, 15 bungalows: 300-1,000 baht.
 * Rai Niyom Resort (ไร่นิยม รีสอร์ท) 65 Mu 10, Tambon Pak Buan, Km. 13, Loei - Wang Saphung Road, Tel. 0 4285 0618, 11 bunglows: 200-300 baht.
 * Wang Namphu Resort (วังน้ำพุ รีสอร์ท) 217 Mu 5, Maliwan Road, Tel.   0 4285 0416, 11 bungalows: 200-400 baht.
 * Sakun Prang Resort (สกุลปรั่ง รีสอร์ท) 236 Loei – Udon Road, Tambon Wang Saphung, Tel. 0 4284 1483, 13 bungalows: 300-350 baht.
 * 99 Resort (99 รีสอร์ท) 199 Maliwan Road, Tambon Pak Buan, 35 rooms: 300-450 baht.

Amphoe Phu Luang

 * Phu Luang Wildlife Sanctuary (เขตรักษาพันธุ์สัตว์ป่าภูหลวง) provides accommodation for tourists. Contact the National Park Office, Department of National Park, Wildlife and Flora, Bang Khen, Bangkok, at Tel. 0 2561 4292-3 ext: 710 and Phu Luang Wildlife Sanctuary at Tel. 08 1221 0547 or www.dnp.go.th.

King Amphoe Nong Hin

 * Chao Phraya Pha Ngam Resort (เจ้าพระยาผางาม รีสอร์ท) 75 Mu 10, Ban Pha Ngam, Tel. 08 1975 9383, 2 bungalows: 3,000 baht and 13 bungalows: 200 baht.

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Amphoe Phu Kradueng
 * Phu Kradueng Resort (ภูกระดึง รีสอร์ท) 372/1 Ban Si Than, Tel. 0 4287 1076, 10 bungalows: 300-700 baht.
 * Phu Kradueng Guesthouse (ภูกระดึง เกสต์เฮาส์) 99 Mu 11, Tambon Phu Kradueng, Tel. 0 4287 1306, 08 9421 1772, 13 bungalows: 250-400 baht.

Amphoe Phu Ruea

 * Country Hill Resort (คันทรี ฮิลล์ รีสอร์ท) 67 Mu 3, Tambon San Tom, 6 bungalows: 1,000-6,000 baht.
 * Chatchada Grand Resort (ชัชชฎา แกรนด์ รีสอร์ท) 65 Mu 2, Ban Nong Suea Khrang, Tel. 0 4289 9258, 0 4289 9406, 0 4289 9399, 13 bungalows, 12 rooms: 300-4,000 baht.
 * Thapphathan (ทับผาธาร) Loei – Dan Sai Road, Km. 44, Tel. 0 4289 9243, 12 bungalows: 1,000-1,500 baht, www.purua.com.
 * Thai Loei 300 Years Resort (ไทเลย 300 ปี รีสอร์ท) 77 Ban Buam Hok, Tambon Nong Bua, Tel. 08 1263 1826, 9 bungalows: 500-1,000 baht.
 * Noppharat Garden Hill (นพรัตน์ การ์เด้นท์ ฮิลล์) 184 Mu 4, Tambon Nong Bua, Tel. 0 4289 9256, 14 bungalows: 600-1,500 baht.
 * Ban Phak Yot Khao (บ้านพักยอดเขา) 188 Mu 1, Ban Phu Ruea at the entrance to Phu Ruea National Park, Tel. 0 4289 9161, 10 bungalows: 350- 3,000 baht.
 * Ban Yen Chit (บ้านเย็นจิต) 129 Mu 7, Tambon Nong Bua, Tel. 0 4289 9324, 8 bungalows: 300-1,200 baht.
 * Phimphon Resort (พิมพ์พร รีสอร์ท) 99 Mu 2, Tambon Nong Bua, Tel.    0 4289 9152, 7 bungalows: 800-1,200 baht.
 * Panorama Hill (พาโนรามา ฮิลล์) 34 Mu 2, Ban Nong Suea Khrang, Tel.    0 4289 9405: 600-1,000 baht.
 * Phu Rua Chalet (ภูเรือ ชาเลย์) 110 Mu 4, Tambon Nong Bua, Tel.           0 4289 9012, 24 rooms: 750-1,200 baht, www.phuruachalet.com.
 * Phu Phet (ภูเพชร) at the entrance to Phu Ruea National Park, Tel. 0 4289 9157, 12 bungalows: 500-1,500 baht, www.phuphet.com.
 * Phu Ruea Resort (ภูเรือ รีสอร์ท) 163 Mu 4, Loei - Dan Sai Road, Tambon Nong Bua, Tel. 0 4289 9048, 0 4289 9042, 12 bungalows: 800-3,000 baht.
 * Phu Rua Roun Mai Resort (ภูเรือเรือนไม้ รีสอร์ท) 471 Mu 7, Ban Phu Ruea, Tambon Nong Bua, Tel. 0 4289 9418, 08 1954 2915, 6 bungalows: 500-1,800 baht, www.phuruarounmai.com.
 * Phu Ruea Butsaba Resort (ภูเรือบุษบา รีสอร์ท) 184 Mu 2, Ban Nong Sua Khrang, Tel. 0 4289 9330, 0 4289 9229, 10 bungalows: 1,000-3,600 baht.
 * Mani Thara (มณีธารา) Ban Kaeng Laen, Tambon Rong Chik, Tel.         08 9511 6370, 10 bungalows: 600-1,500 baht.
 * Rai Waranya (ไร่วรัญญา) 314 at the entrance to Phu Ruea National Park, Tel. 0 4289 9020, 08 1379 2323, 20 bungalows: 800-12,000 baht.
 * Rai Sanya Resort (ไร่สัณยา รีสอร์ท) Ban Kaeng Laen, 178 Mu 10, Tambon Rong Chik, Tel. 0 4280 1138-9, 13 bungalows: 2,000-8,000 baht.
 * Rai Sarocha (ไร่สโรชา) 333 Mu 7, Tambon Nong Bua, Tel. 0 4289 9597, 08 9943 9097, 4 bungalows: 1,500-3,500 baht.
 * Saban-nga Resort (สบันงา รีสอร์ท) 43 Mu 8, Tambon Nong Bua, Tel.     0 4289 9278, 08 9618 3778, 8 bungalows: 250-1,000 baht, www.phurua.com.

Amphoe Dan Sai

 * The White Rose Cottage (เดอะไวท์ โรส คอทเทจ) Loei – Dan Sai Road, Ban Na Chiang, Tambon Khok Ngam, Tel. 08 1852 3999, 10 bungalows: 1,200-2,000 baht.
 * Phupha Mok Valley (ภูผาหมอก วัลเล่ย์) Phu Ruea – Dan Sai Road, Km. 68, Tel. 08 1768 5599, 11 bungalows: 1,200-3,700 baht, www.phuphamokvalley.com.
 * Phupha Nam Resort (ภูผาน้ำ รีสอร์ท) 252 Mu 1, Tambon Khok Ngam, Tel. 0 4289 2055-6, Bangkok Office Tel. 0 2254 3000, 71 rooms: 3,000-10,200 baht, www.phuphanamresort.com.
 * Phu Phaya Loei (ภูพญาเลย) 149 Mu 7, Ban Na Hin, Tambon Phon Sung, Tel. 0 4280 1011, 6 rooms: 1,200-1,500 baht. (tents for rent are provided.)
 * Rung Yen Resort (รังเย็น รีสอร์ท) 92 Mu 7, Ban Na Kham Pom, Tambon Khok Ngam, Tel. 0 4280 9511-3, 0 4280 9514, 90 rooms: 850-8,000 baht, www.rungyenresort.com.
 * Loei Fan Rose Garden (เลยฝัน โรส การ์เดนท์) 162 Mu 7, Tambon Phon Sung, Tel. 0 4280 1155, 6 bungalows: 1,000-8,000 baht.
 * Loei Leelawadee Resort (เลยลีล��วดี รีสอร์ท) 159 Mu 6, Loei – Lom Sak Road, Tel. 0 4280 1277, 46 rooms, 11 bungalows: 2,000-6,000 baht, www.loeileelawadee.com.
 * Ayatana Lake and Hill Resort (อายตนะ เลค แอนด์ ฮิลล์ รีสอร์ท) 212 Mu 6, Tambon Phon Sung, Tel. 0 4281 3805-7, 22 rooms: 1,600-1,800 baht, 5 bungalows: 3,000-3,500 baht. (Rafts, bicycles, and tents for rent are provided.)

Amphoe Na Haeo

 * Falkland (ฟอร์คแลนด์) Tambon Na Haeo, Tel. 0 4289 1120, 6 bungalows: 200 baht.
 * Na Haeo Resort (นาแห้ว รีสอร์ท) 123 Mu 3, Tambon Na Haeo, Ban Mueang Rae, Tel. 0 4289 7080, 5 bungalows: 250-500 baht.

King Amphoe Nong Hin

 * Chao Phraya Pha Ngam Resort (เจ้าพระยาผางาม รีสอร์ท) 75 Mu 10, Ban Pha Ngam, Tel. 08 1975 9383, 15 bungalows: 100-300 baht.
 * Chomphunut Resort (ชมพูนุช รีสอร์ท) 95 Mu 10, Tambon Puan Phu, Tel. 08 7955 5192, 08 6225 2574, 4 bungalows: 400 baht, 2 houses: 1,500 baht.

Amphoe Mueang Loei

 * Khrua Nit (ครัวนิด) 58 Charoen Rat Road, Tel. 0 4281 3013 (Thai food, steamed spotted featherback fish curry, chicken green curry).
 * Khrua Dok Kaeo (ครัวดอกแก้ว) 6/1 Loei – Dan Sai Road, Tel. 0 4283 5571-2.
 * Khrua Romyen (ครัวร่มเย็น) 589 Maliwan Road (opposite Mueang Loei Ram Hospital), Tel. 0 4281 5706, 08 9710 8731.
 * Khaen Khaen (แคนแคน) 11/19 Chum Sai Road, Tel. 0 4281 5180 (A la carte food, fried dried fish maw.)
 * Kimuji (คิมูจิ) 191/1 in front of Sun Palace Hotel, Charoen Rat Road, Tel. 0 4283 2797 (Japanese food).
 * Choi Lap Pet (จ่อยลาบเป็ด) 31/1 Khiri Rat Road, Tel. 0 4281 1618.
 * Sunshine (ซันไชน์) Sun Palace Hotel, Tel. 0 4281 5714, 0 4281 5717.
 * Saep de Loei (แซบ เดอ เลย) AP Court Hotel, Ruam Chai Road, Tel.        0 4286 1851, 08 1873 0283.
 * Ton Lio (ต้นหลิว) Phiphat Mongkhon Road. Tel. 0 4281 1655 (A la carte food, spicy Mekong-fish soup).
 * Thiam Chan (เทียมจันทร์) 2/1-4 Chum Sai Road, Tel. 0 4281 1372,        0 4283 5299 (A la carte food, papaya salad – grilled chicken).
 * Ban Yai (บ้านยาย) Maliwan Road, Tambon Kut Pong, Tel. 0 4283 3361.
 * Bo Tan (โบตั๋น) at Loei Palace Hotel, Tel. 0 4281 5668-74 ext: 810.
 * Phikun Lap Koi (พิกุลลาบก้อย) 14/25-26 Sathon Chiang Khan Road, Tel. 0 4283 0227.
 * Makan (มะกัน) 22/48-49 Chum Sai Road, Tel. 0 4281 1379 (Coffee, toast, fried egg with topping in a small pan).
 * Me and Mine (มี แอนด์ มาย) 70/7 Sathon Chiang Khan Road, Tel. 0 4281 1563.
 * Loei Danang (เลยดานัง) 22/58-60 Chum Sai Road, Tel. 0 4283 0413.
 * Sawita Bakery (สวิตาเบเกอรี���) 317/7 Loei - Dan Sai Road, Tel. 0 4281 1526.

Amphoe Phu Ruea

 * Krua Het Hom (ครัวเห็ดหอม) 228 Mu 7, Tambon Nong Bua, Tel. 0 4289 9285 (Rice porridge with Shiitake mushrooms, fried egg with Shiitake mushroom topping in a small pan.)
 * Chateau de Loei (ชาโต้ เดอ เลย) 220 Mu 6, Tambon Rong Chik, Tel.       0 4280 9521, 0 4280 9517-8 (Stir-fried Shiitake mushrooms with oyster sauce, domestic chicken and fish from the Mekong River spicy soup).
 * Phu Ruea Chalet (ภูเรือชาเลท์) 110 Mu 4, Tambon Nong Bua, Tel. 0 4289 9012, 0 4289 9201 (Phak Kut - young fern leaf - spicy salad, Mekong fish spicy soup, mixed vegetable soup).
 * Phu Ruea Resort (ภูเรือ รีสอร์ท) 163 Mu 4, Tambon Nong Bua, Tel.        0 4289 9048 (Phak Kut spicy salad, Mekong fish spicy soup).
 * Phu Ruea Kai Yang (ภูเรือไก่ย่าง) 307 Mu 7, Tambon Nong Bua, Tel.     0 4289 9149, 0 4789 0684 (Grilled chicken, spicy soup, grilled Grey Mullet in the bamboo stick).
 * Phu Ruea Phochana (ภูเรือ โภชนา) 247 Mu 7, Tambon Nong Bua, Tel.    0 4289 9159 (Striped snake-head fish spicy salad, Shiitake in tamarind-flavoured soup).
 * Rabiang Doi (ระเบียงดอย) 116 Mu 2, Tambon Nong Bua, Tel. 0 4289 9121.

Amphoe Dan Sai

 * Krua Kan Eng (ครัวกันเอง) 152 Mu 3, Tambon Dan Sai, Tel. 08 1048 8040, 08 9842 9640.
 * Nong Tai (น้องต่าย) 202 Mu 1, Tel. 0 4289 1125, 08 5756 3842 (Fried spotted featherback fish paste, red-tail mystus fish spicy soup and scalded).
 * Ban Im Un (บ้านอิ่มอุ่น) 423 Mu 3, Loei – Dan Sai Road, Tel. 0 4289 1586.
 * Phu Pha Nam Resort (ภูผาน้ำ รีสอร์ท) 252 Mu 1, Tambon Khok Ngam, Tel. 0 4289 2055-6 (Mekong fish spicy soup, Phak Kut spicy salad).
 * Rung Yen Resort (รังเย็น รีสอร์ท) 2 Mu 7, Tambon Khok Ngam, Tel.      0 4280 9511-3 (Fried pork leg, spotted featherback fish green curry).

Amphoe Wang Saphung

 * Kai Yang Lung Piang (ไก่ย่างลุงเพียง) 10/3 Maliwan Road, Tel. 08 1717 3481.
 * Kai Yang Wang Saphung (ไก่ย่างวังสะพุง) 82 Mu 6, Maliwan Road, Tel. 0 4285 0387, 08 5742 8499.
 * Dan Heng Li (ด่านเฮงลี้) 81/2 Mu 2, Tambon Si Songkhram, Tel. 0 4284 1163 (Phak Kut spicy salad, 3-flavoured red tilapia fish).
 * Than Tawan (ทานตะวัน) 394 Mu 3, Tambon Wang Saphung, Tel. 0 4285 0407 (Grilled striped snake-head fish and grilled Nile Tilapia).
 * Wang Thong (วังทอง) 142 Mu 2, Tambon Si Songkhram, Tel. 08 1759 9069.
 * Suki Tamnak Wang (สุกี้ตำหนักวัง) 476 Mu 2, Tambon Si Songkhram, Tel. 0 4285 0166.
 * Ocha (โอชา) 275 Mu 2, Tambon Si Songkhram, Tel. 0 4285 1441.

Amphoe Chiang Khan

 * Khitthung Fang Khong (คิดถึงฝั่งโขง) 243 Mu 1, Tambon Chiang Khan, Tel. 0 4282 1064 (Fried fish with garlic, spicy fish soup).
 * Krua Nucha (ครัวนุชา) 28/2 Mu 4, Tambon Chiang Khan, Tel. 0 4282 1285, 0 4282 1414 (Isan food).
 * Krua Rimnam (ครัวริมน้ำ) 341 Mu 1, Tambon That, Tel. 0 4285 4260 (A la carte food and dishes cooked with river fish).
 * Ton Khong (ต���นโขง) 299/3 Mu 1, Tambon Chiang Khan, Tel. 0 4282 1547.
 * Mekong Riverside (แม่โขงริเวอร์ไซด์) 328 Mu 1, Tambon Chiang Khan, Tel. 0 4282 1351.
 * Rabiang Rim Khong (ระเบียงริมโขง) 299/4 Mu 1, Tambon Chiang Khan, Tel. 0 4282 1532 (Dishes cooked with fish from the Mekong River).

King Amphoe Nong Hin

 * Che Noi (เจ๊น้อย) Suan Hin Pha Ngam (local food), Tel. 08 1230 7607.
 * Lap Pet Mueang Ubon (ลาบเป็ดเมืองอุบล) Suan Hin Pha Ngam.

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Talk:Lofoten

Moved this page to conform with article naming conventions. -- (WT-en) Evan 18:02, 4 Sep 2003 (PDT)

Merge articles?
Lofoten, with a population of ~25,000 is currently divided into ten different articles, most of which are bare outlines. As Lofoten's population is spread out across the archipelago these articles cover tiny hamlets, none with a population above 5,000. (The largest settlement is Svolvær, population 4,500, which according to our guide is mainly interesting to a traveler as a hub for going to the rest of Lofoten.) What's more, from the article I get the impression that people usually visit Lofoten as a whole, roaming around the countryside to see scenery, rather than visiting one specific village. Considering this I can't really see how our current division is useful to a traveler, and suggest that we merge all content on the Lofoten mainland (which can be accessed by car) into this article. The islands which can only be accessed by ferry (Røst and Værøy) can keep their own articles. MartinJacobson (talk) 08:12, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

 * I support merging all of the articles into one. Perhaps Svolvær could keep its own article and the Lofotenian countryside can have its own article but for now I think one article is best to cover the archipelago. Gizza ( roam ) 12:57, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

 * Has the merge been done yet? --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 02:06, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

 * No, not yet. Ground Zero opposed a merger of Moskenesøya on the Moskenesøya talk page. However, I am not sure whether that was an opposition against merging Moskenesøya without merging the other Lofoten-articles, or whether it meant that we should keep Moskenesøya but merge the other articles into Lofoten. For the record, I personally still believe that the best option would be to merge all Lofoten-destinations which can be reached by car, including Svolvær and Moskenesøya, into the Lofoten article. MartinJacobson (talk) 16:59, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

 * I've looked at this again, and withdraw my objection to the proposed merger. It should go ahead. Ground Zero (talk) 17:05, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Great, then I'll start the merger. I should have asked for a clarification straight away but it slipped my mind. :-) MartinJacobson (talk) 17:22, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * A lot of the merge is now done. I think I'll take a break for a while. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 18:50, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you SelfieCity for all your labor! However, I saw that Værøy was also merged now. Due to its isolation from the rest of Lofoten I believe that it is a good idea to keep it as its own article. The same is true about Røst. Can we have the Værøy-merger undone? MartinJacobson (talk) 18:59, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. I will keep the listing in the other destinations section but move info back to the old article when I get around to it (which should be fairly soon). --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 19:10, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

thanks for taking my views into consideration, and for your excellent work on these articles. Ground Zero (talk) 19:16, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

So I've restored the Værøy article, but of course there are still listings in this article. I'll remove those. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 20:47, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

 * It's pretty much all done now. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 23:06, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Let's vote on banners
A lot of the pages that we merged & redirected here had really beautiful banners. We may as well take advantage of these now unused banners and vote on which one we like most and want to put at the top of the Lofoten article. The banner numbers are above each banner image; please remember this when voting so you vote for the right one.

1 — which I like the most (tie) and added to this article during the merge. From the Moskenesøya article.

2 — the banner that was used on the page before the merge took place.

3 — used to be the banner for the Å article.

4 — was the banner for the Moskenes article.

5 — was the banner for the Svolvaer article.

6 — was the banner for the Leknes article.

7 — my other tied favorite (along with #1); I just found out about it while adding these banners here. I'll choose if it's better than #1 or not soon, I'll have to review them. Click to give the picture what it deserves.

8 — a good village scene banner. From the Henningsvaer article.

9 — from the Kabelvag article, another village scene.

Please vote! If there's any others you now about, let's vote on them too!

May the best banner win,

--Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 23:20, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

 * Here's my preferences list: 7, 1, 9, 2, 5, 3, 8, 4, and 6, I think, but there's so many I couldn't say that for sure. Everyone else, just vote for your favorite and maybe your second favorite! --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 23:34, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

 * I actually like #1 best, then #7 as a close second. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:35, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

 * Yep, it's definitely a close thing between those two. #5 is also great, but that balcony on the side spoils it a little, IMO. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 23:37, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

 * The balcony isn't what's wrong with #5; it's the uncorrected fisheye distortion. Somewhat counterintuitively, panoramic photos are actually very poor candidates for use as pagebanners; far better are plain old wide-angle shots cropped at the top and bottom. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:00, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

 * Are #s 8 and 9 new since my last comment? #9 finishes in a solid third place for me. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:01, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * My choices would be 1, 5, 8, in that order. Ground Zero (talk) 00:03, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

 * #'s 8 and 9 may well be new to you, depending on when you last checked. Also, yes, while the panoramic image gives an interesting effect, it also makes the picture distorted and the locations of objects inaccurate. Cropped images are good, as you said, unless IMO the 7:1 crop isn't coherent (e.g. it captures just part of the mountain instead of all of it) or the image quality is poor, and then you've got a really pixelated banner image. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 03:58, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

 * Based on those votes I will leave #1 as the Lofoten banner unless comments start coming in, supporting one of the other pictures. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 22:15, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * We could consider using one of the other banners for Nordland or Northern Norway. —Granger (talk · contribs) 05:33, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I used #7 in Nordland and #9 in Northern Norway. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 19:56, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Loire Valley

What is the best way to get to get around the Loire Valley? Should we rent a car? How far are the castles from the train station?

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Talk:Lombardy

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Regions
Hi can we official up the regions as they seem to be in a slight mess with no proper format, I have here the official list from wikipedia of 'provinces' within Lombardy, see what everyone thinks. There is also a good map on the page which would work as well. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) HJ.Phillips94 (talk • contribs)
 * Province of Bergamo
 * Province of Brescia
 * Province of Como
 * Province of Cremona
 * Province of Lecco
 * Province of Lodi
 * Province of Mantova
 * Province of Milan
 * Province of Pavia
 * Province of Sondrio
 * Province of Varese

 * This looks like a fine regional division to me, especially since we have a ready-made map. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:06, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Italian WV have recently grouped the official administrative provinces into 4 sub-regions. Any objection If I do the same here? --Saqib (talk) 23:03, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Not from me, Saqib, if you're willing to do all that hard work. I assume you will use the divisions outlined in the Italian map with Bergamo and Brescia split asunder? --118.93nzp (talk) 23:29, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, correct. --Saqib (talk) 23:30, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

20 minutes later: I think you may have misunderstood two things, Saqib. While personally I have no objections, others may have objections to such a wide-ranging change. I'd suggest you wait a month or two and use that time to prepare articles (clearly marked as drafts) of the four new region articles you propose. Only when they are complete, should the change be made to this main article in my view. --118.93nzp (talk) 23:48, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The current division of this en:voy article is based on an administrative criteria instead of a touristic criteria furthermore the articles related to the provinces are almost empty so it's not a big bereavement... -- Andyrom75 (talk) 19:17, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

 * I believe we don't need regional articles at all if we have nothing to say about them at that moment. Italy has layers and layers of administrative divisions, and on top of that many arbitrary divisions created like the one for the Italian Wikivoyage that are not universally understood. There is no benefit in providing those articles unless we have content to fill them with.
 * If we are worried that the number of cities and destinations within Lombardy is getting too large, we can always split the lists by subheadings and perhaps introduce each province or traditional region with a sentence or two, if we have anything useful to say about them. Creating articles just for the sake of it only complicates matters for the travellers and will make them very disappointed to find them empty or containing useless filler blabber. PrinceGloria (talk) 09:47, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * From a purely theoretical point of view, I am very attracted by what you have just written, Gloria. However, I don't know the region well enough to be much use here. If Saqib (or any others) are able to flesh out 4 good sub-regional articles, it would definitely be a step in the right direction... --118.93nzp (talk) 10:24, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I just browsed through the other regions of Italy and most articles don't even care to mention the provinces, they go straight to listing the most important cities and some other destinations. Those that do mostly end up with provincial articles being a skeleton list of headings and a few blue links to cities. I don't think we have enough commitment to fleshing out good and meaningful articles for lower divisional levels and less popular destinations in Italy to currently provide an article for more than every region (which is still a challenge, as some regional articles are quite basic and of little us) and the key destinations therein. There is no point in creating articles to just say "X is in Y" or "Z is an arbitrary collection of communes in the region of W". PrinceGloria (talk) 21:51, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * As you wish. Maybe when we'll have finished the articles on Lombardia you could decide to trasnslate them in English, or keep the existing. For us (Italian) it's quite obvious the need of creating homogeneous subareas for each region, so the discussion that we had was just on "how" to divide it, not "if". We have started from Lombardia and when the draft of each article will be finished we'll proceed with the other region. Stay tuned ;-) -- Andyrom75 (talk) 07:58, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * NZP, I don't know about Lombardia so I won't be able to create the four sub-regions of Lombardia but I've created the required maps. Andy knows the best about Lombardia, after-all, he's from Italy and a good travel writer so I believe his proposed region-list will be useful from a traveller prospective so we should follow their pattern over here as well. --Saqib (talk) 16:11, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The draft of each sub-region article has been done, so I suggest you to update this article (currently divided with just administrative criteria) into the one present in it:voy and maybe translating each sub article for completeness. -- Andyrom75 (talk) 23:25, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Cities
HJ, would you mind cleaning up that city list too? we should only have 9, preferably with short descriptions on them. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 17:48, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

 * There are now 10 cities listed. Which one of these should be removed?

 * Milan (Milano, the capital) – shares with Paris the title of fashion capital of the world, and is Italy's second city.
 * Bergamo – a fairytale pastel-coloured city perched atop a hillside, and the gate to Bergamo Alps
 * Brescia – a major industrial powerhouse since the Ancient Roman times, and a UNESCO World Heritage Site
 * Como – the city that gave the name to the popular lake
 * Cremona – home of Stradivarius violins, but also a wealth of ornate romanesque architecture
 * Lecco – a little and charming city situated on Como's lake.
 * Mantova – the Ducal Palace has a cycle of frescoes by Mantegna that no art lover should miss.
 * Monza – a small city overshadowed by its race track, yet it has pleasant pedestrian streets and a cathedral.
 * Sondrio – the northernmost provincial capital situated amidst alpine mountain ranges
 * Varese – capital of the namesake province full of lakeside resorts, just 30 minutes from Malpensa airport

 * I haven't visited Lombardy, but I would say that other than Milan, Bergamo, Brescia, Como, Cremona, Mantua/Mantova and Varese are pretty obvious places to keep. I'm not sure about Lecco, Monza and Sondrio. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:47, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

 * I would take Monza away. Cremona, Mantova and Varese are also of secondary importance, but we need one entry per subregion I guess. PrinceGloria (talk) 09:10, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

 * I'd point out that there's no rule that we need to have one entry per subregion. Would that change your opinion about which city should be removed from the list? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:56, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Not really, and my statement above is not because of a rule but because of common sense - with fewer regions than 7, it would look quite stupid not to mention any town in the south and all three in the north. At any rate, Monza probably sees the fewest tourists of them all and rightly so, I guess, with all due respect. Should anybody disagree, undoing is a blast @WV. Let us focus on working on improving this guide and subregions, which are woefully inadequate still. PrinceGloria (talk) 05:55, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

 * OK, thanks for your advice. I'll go ahead and remove Monza, and as you said, if someone disagrees, they can always make an argument for why Monza should be reinstated and another city should be removed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

 * I agree in removing Monza (even if it has many attraction such as the Villa Reale and the Racetrack used by F1). If necessary I'd delete also Sondrio, in a beautiful area (Valtellina), but with few well-known touristic attractions. -- Lkcl it  (Talk) 15:51, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your perspective. It's not necessary to delete more cities unless you'd like to substitute another city for one in the list, because there are now 9 listed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:28, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

The Lombard language
Has someone ever heard of the Lombard language in its eastern and western varieties? It's also spoken in Switzerland's borders with Italy. - (WT-en) CurvyEthyl 19:39, 27 October 2010 (EDT)

Merge provinces?
The division by administrative provinces seems to have been serving us well, aiding navigation. But we have 12 provinces in Lombardy, which exceeds the 7+/-2 rule. Seeing how few new articles on destinations have been created of late, I would like to propose merging some provinces: I do not know enough about southern Lombardy to suggest anything, but perhaps we could see some possible mergers there as well. PrinceGloria (talk) 21:02, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Como (province) and Lecco (province) into Lake Como - as that's what they essentially are
 * Bergamo (province), Brescia (province) and Sondrio (province) into Bergamo Alps (this also solves the issue of Lake Iseo) - quite large, but we have very few destinations there, and touristically it's about the Alps mainly
 * Milan (province) with Monza and Brianza (province)]] - the administrative division of the two was actually IMHO quite artificial, Monza is closer to Milan than many other towns in the province of Milan itself.
 * I re-suggest to adopt the division in 4 areas as on the Italian version of wikivoyage, but if you don't want, few comments:

 * 1) Provincia di Como and Lecco into Lake Come: it's an aproximation, but it can be.
 * 2) Bergamo (province), Brescia (province) and Sondrio (province) into Bergamo Alps: absoulutely no. Firstly because Brescia (Province) includes also a large part of Pianura Padana, secondly because there is a rivalry between Brescia and Bergamo. Finally the new title should be different, perhaps Eastern Lombardy Alps and not only Bergamo Alps.
 * Yes, till few years ago it was an unique province.
 * -- Lkcl it  (Talk) 18:37, 26 October 2014 (UTC)PrinceGloria Lkcl it  (Talk) 18:37, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you User:Lkcl_it - just a note on 2., outside of Italy nobody cares, as much as nobody cares about the rivalry between Silesia and Zagłębie outside of those (and we won't have an article on Zagłębie just because of that, Silesia covers both just fine), and not many people can tell mountain ranges unless they are really into it. If you insist, we can call it Lombardy Alps after the w:Partizione delle Alpi (a small part in the north can be seen as belonging to Leopontine Alps and another to 	Rhaetian Alps, but we are not after a PhD in alpine topography). Pretty much all of Varese is also Lombardy Alps, but there is a large enough number of destinations in that region for it to stay separate - it is also geographically distinct. We can discuss the name further, let us just try to keep it brief and cut down on the proliferation of provinces. PrinceGloria (talk) 21:22, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

 * PrinceGloria look at these pictures: that is the other reason because I don't agree with Bergamo Alps: there is also a level ground (Pianura Padana). If you want to do a division of this type you should divide Lombardy into 3-4 areas but not following provinces boundaries. Doing something like this we can solve the problem of Varese: all will be in a same subregion. Than, where necessary, these regions can be divided into other subregions (e.g. Varese Alps, Bergamo Alps, Sondrio Alps ...). -- Lkcl it  (Talk) 21:11, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Let's forget Bergamo Alps - how about Lombardy Alps? PrinceGloria (talk) 21:17, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It's a good Idea, but boundaries will not follow the provinces one. And as said before the division will be like on it voy (see map above - orange area) -- Lkcl it  (Talk) 21:28, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I would not touch administrative boundaries - they give us clarity however imperfect they are. I am just looking for a common name for those three provinces. PrinceGloria (talk) 21:33, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * A name can be Northeast Lombardy. -- Lkcl it  (Talk) 17:44, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's an obvious choice, but quite uninspired... We'd end up with Northeast, Southwest, Northsoutheast, Leftofcentre etc. Lombardies. I was trying to find a perhaps imprecise, but more inspired name, hence reaching out for Bergamo Alps or Lombardian Alps even if it could be argued their area does not precisely match the region we have in mind. I believe a good approximation will do. PrinceGloria (talk) 18:45, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Can we thus agree to merge Bergamo (province), Sondrio (province) and Brescia (province) into Lombardian Alps? PrinceGloria (talk) 07:44, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * What about Lombardian Alps and foothills?-- Lkcl it  (Talk) 16:20, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * In Italy the provinces do not have a very strong touristic heritage how it happens for the regions, infact is common that new provinces will born and some of them will disappear. For this reason on it:voy we don't support the province articles, becuase there's no added value for a tourist and personally I suggest you to take this into account for any new territory division that you are gonna make on any Italian region. In this specific case, I would also suggest you to follow the one that has been already discussed and shared within several people that lives there, I would tend to trust autochthonous people ;-) -- Andyrom75 (talk) 17:32, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I have been a frequent visitor to Lombardy (in fact it seems I will be greeting the New Year there), and splitting it into four narrow straps doesn't help. I do not care about heritage and pretty much not about topography. I want guides that will let me gather what I can do in a given region which is easy to get around. It is not easy to get from Varese to Brescia, and it seems odd to me that localities around Brescia and Bergamo would be in a different regions. The way the provinces are now laid out is around metropolitan centres, which makes sense in terms of transit and travelling practicality - if I want to see something close to Bergamo, I stay in Bergamo (most opportunities) and get about. I do not care if it is more "Prealps" or the plain of river Po.
 * We are also creating a region (the green one) where there is pretty much nothing other than Milan at that point of development of English Wikivoyage. I could maybe see Milan, Bergamo and Brescia in one region given the A4 and the railway connections between them. I do not think we should merge Varese with anything at that point though, as there are already enough articles there. Same goes for combined Como+Lecco. This leaves Bergamo and Brescia alone and both provinces are split between three regions. Does not seem practical to me.
 * Administrative divisions often determine current local circumstances, e.g. transportation systems, regardless of history or topography. They also make it easier to make decisions where a new article should go - it is easy to find out the province, quite ambigious borders between regions will lead to constant discussions. What is natural for people knowing the area will be weird for somebody visiting. Take it from a tourist and trust him as well. PrinceGloria (talk) 17:48, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It's fair that anyone would have its own point of view and interests. ;-) -- Andyrom75 (talk) 23:33, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but we need a reasnable division for Lombardy. With the current number of destination articles, having a separate article for each province is too many. We can't adopt the Italian split, as this assumes even more destinations with a two-level regional split. We need to combine provinces for it to make sense. I proposed the above. We can call Bergamo+Brescia+Sondrio whatever (I would prefer something more meaningful than "Norteastern"), but let us move on with that. PrinceGloria (talk) 05:19, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's appropriate, but if you think that works well for en:voy it's right that you go in this direction :-) You know, Italians are proud of their art, history, natural beauty, etc... so our guide would lead a tourist in this kind of visit :-) -- Andyrom75 (talk) 08:32, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I do know, each local language Wikipedia will have its own country covered much better and in-depth than the others. Let's be realistic, we are all here and quite interested in Lombardy and we still have very limited coverage of it. We need to be pragmatic. If there is no objection, I'd go forward with merging the provinces as proposed above and we will see how it pans out. It's a Wiki, we can always change things down the road if they prove no to work. PrinceGloria (talk) 14:10, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Who am I to say to you what you don't have to do? I just say that you can leverage on a work already done by people that has born there and that know the region very well just to not reinvent the wheel. For example, although I've visited almost all the main cities and lakes of Lombardia (Milan in particular many times) I haven't take part on the division (just as a facilitator of the discussion) because I don't feel to be an expert of that territory. However, as stated above, if you don't want to follow this approach, feel free to follow your inspiration ;-) -- Andyrom75 (talk) 18:47, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * PrinceGloria I have only one objection: the name. -- Lkcl it  (Talk) 16:19, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Any other proposal that "Northeastern Lombardy"? PrinceGloria (talk) 19:39, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * What about Lombardian Alps and foothills? -- Lkcl it  (Talk) 17:47, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Lombardian Alps and Prealps? Sounds more serious than "foothills", and the definition of "Prealps" is pretty much the same as "foothills" (w:Alpine foothills). PrinceGloria (talk) 17:59, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, my fault: I made a mistake in the translation of "Alpi e Prealpi lombarde", I'm sorry. -- Lkcl it  (Talk) 20:23, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Not at all, it's a go then! Will proceed in due course. PrinceGloria (talk) 21:52, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Almost there - what about the south?
So now we have Lombardian Alps and Prealps, Lake Como and Grande Milano covered. We can thus delete the following categories: I guess it would be good to double-check after me. Does anybody know a user with appropriate admin powers to do that?
 * Category:Bergamo (province)
 * Category:Brescia (province)
 * Category:Como (province)
 * Category:Lecco (province)
 * Category:Milan (province)
 * Category:Sondrio (province)

Now, the province of Varese should stay separate due to the sheer amount of destinations there, popularity with tourists and the fact that there isn't much to merge it with, it is quite separate from the neighbouring regions even if close to Milan.

But we have the south with provinces of Cremona (province), Lodi (province), Mantova (province) and Pavia (province). Those articles contain pretty much only the capital cities and stand a low chance of suddenly bursting into something really comprehensive. So, despite the relative lack of cohesive factors other than being on the south of Lombardy, and the fact that the cobbled-together content for all the usual sections may end up a bit convulted, I would propose to combine them now into Southern Lombardy to reduce the number of near-empty subregional guides. And if anybody has a better, more meaningful name, it would be just brilliant.

If we agree on dealing with the above, we could then ask one of the skilled mapmakers to make us a new map of Lombardy to reflect the amended regional split and focus on further improving the region and destination guides within Lombardy :) PrinceGloria (talk) 08:01, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

 * @ A good name could be Lombardian Padan Plain or something similar (in italian Pianura Padana Lombarda). -- Lkcl it  (Talk) 15:26, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

 * Sounds a little strange in English, but makes a lot of sense. I think it should read more like "River Po Valley", but adding "Lombardy" or "Lombardian" makes it super long. Italian sounds better in this case, maybe there is an even shorter Italian version? PrinceGloria (talk) 16:16, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I looked at a number of sites and guidebooks today and the names were all variations of Po River/Po Valley... Po River Valley, Po Plain, Po Plain Lowlands, Po Valley. I think Lombardian Po Valley could do, even though it is a mouthful. Or the maligned Southern Lombardy, which doesn't seem so bad in the circumstances.
 * I can whip up a map once things are settled here. -Shaundd (talk) 04:53, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

 * I guess Southern Lombardy is not bad after all, so I went for it. We can change the name anytime. I guess whenever you'd have a moment, you can start mapmaking, for which we will be most obliged. I'd include airports of Malpensa, Linate and Orio al Serio, the autostradas (their signatures start with an "A"), long-distance and high-speed railway lines and obviously the river Po. PrinceGloria (talk) 18:16, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

 * Just so you know I haven't forgotten about the map, it's in progress. Things have been very busy at home and work so I've only been able to spend a few minutes on the map every few days. It is coming along though. -Shaundd (talk) 22:18, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

 * Yahoo, can't wait to see it whenever it's ready! PrinceGloria (talk) 05:03, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

 * So I've finally got a draft version of the map up. I still need to add the railroads, fix up the roads a bit and add some names, but let me know if there's anything else that needs fixing in the meantime. Cheers -Shaundd (talk) 06:48, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

HOOORAY!!!!! That's one nifty map! Let me offer my usual nitpicking (bear in mind that I do not know what maps did you intended to add, so my "anything else" may be just that): Enough for now I guess :) - I still cannot get over how happy I am to see the map up! PrinceGloria (talk) 07:36, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Malpensa, Linate and Orio al Serio airport could use labels
 * Malpensa seems a bit off its location - it is closer to the autostrada I believe
 * Lodi and Pavia deserve to be marked on the map even if not listed as major destinations
 * Lake names should be there as well IMHO
 * Province names are missing for Grande Milano and Varese
 * "Milan" as the city should be referred to by its English name though
 * I think River Po deserves a label, and I would add river Adda as well (even if not labelled)
 * I wouldn't bend over backwards that much to put every label right within or next to the object it refers. I find nothing wrong with bubbles / "floating" labels with arrows to link to locations in "densely populated" sectors of the map
 * I was hoping I could get away from labeling the Varese and Grande Milano regions since the regions and and the cities have the same name (particularly Varese). Think it might work?
 * I'll see if I can squeeze the airport names in, but it's not something we've done on EN maps at this high a region level. For Malpensa, I'll double check the location. It's based on OpenStreetMap, but I may have put the label at the southern end of the airport or something like that to cause it to look off. It is closer to the river than the autostrada though.
 * Everything else should be doable. -Shaundd (talk) 07:55, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I guess with region names the same as city or lake names it is OK not to have them spelled out, but I would insist on airport names - they are luckily located so that labels should fit ("Malpensa", "Linate" and "Orio as Serio", no need to spell out "Milan" or "Bergamo"). I would also believe it would be better to label the lakes and rivers. Railway lines and roads can always be rendered in lighter hues - you seem to be using quite strong hues at the moment. PrinceGloria (talk) 15:17, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * You have done a beautiful job! I'll only suggest to add SS510: the most used road to reach Valcamonica and Sondrio from Brescia and Verona. -- Lkcl it  (Talk) 19:32, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Cool. Thanks for pointing out the SS510. I've never been to Lombardy, so it's hard to know what are the best roads to show for places like Sondrio that aren't on an autostrada. -Shaundd (talk) 04:10, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

The next version of the map is up. I added most of the names, although like I said above if there is overlap between the region name, main city or lake, I only put the name once. I added shaded relief to the map since there is varied terrain. Not sure if it works so much at this level or if better used at the subregion level. Let me know if I should take it out. -Shaundd (talk) 07:35, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it's splendid! Thank you! Next stop....? PrinceGloria (talk) 08:30, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
 * If you think any of the subregions are ready for a map, let me know and I'll work on that. Otherwise, I'm sure there will be something to keep me busy. :-) -Shaundd (talk) 18:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, none of the voivodships of Poland has a map, for that matter... PrinceGloria (talk) 20:12, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

What is happening at Lombardy
In this section of the Lombardy article I see spaces at the beginning of lines that do not result into this: line that starts with 5 spaces In the article it shows like nbsp has been used: line that starts with 5 spaces Copying such lines from the article to this talk page does not have the same result as in the article.

So, what has happened here? Does it require some action? --FredTC (talk) 12:13, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

 * That's because of the dot point used: so no dot point means

line that starts with 5 spaces
 * and with a dot point means

 * Franciacorta

 * Hopefully that helps. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:18, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for taking a look, but it does not help me to understand. In the article, the line "Botticino produced in the province of Brescia :" starts with 3 spaces, but does not show like this: Botticino produced in the province of Brescia : In stead it shows like: Botticino produced in the province of Brescia : And when I copy your "*        Franciacorta" above to below here, it looks the same as wiki-source, but not the same after "Publish changes", see below. So, why has your "*        Franciacorta" the spaces in the result, and my version (that looks the same as yours in the wiki-source) have them not? The result of your version looks like this was used: --FredTC (talk) 13:26, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Franciacorta
 * Franciacorta
 * I'm not too sure., do you know anything about this? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:35, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

 * I am looking at it as if it were a weird way of making a bulleted list (which should probably be subdivided into the subregions, but that's a different thing altogether), without the use of basic Wikitext functionality. There are loads of spaces in the source text that get suppressed by either HTML or Wikitext rendering (or so I would assume). If indentations are what you're trying to achieve, a combination of  and   ought to do the trick just fine:
 * This is a bullet point at the same level as my message above.
 * This is a subsection to that.
 * And this is an entirely different line on that base level.
 * Can't that be used rather than whatever kind of mess these spaces are? They definitely do not improve the legibility of the article in a meaningful way, and I am not sure what using manual spaces (or non-break spaces for that matter) would have as an advantage over using standard Wikitext formatting? -- Wauteurz (talk) 15:17, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Whenever you see weird formatting, it's a good idea to check for copy-and-paste copyright violations. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:11, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Just a copyvio check here. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 00:09, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * @Wauteurz I agree that Drink should be reformatted. It does not follow the standard lay-out of Wikivoyage or Wiki's in general. But I still worry about the problems that could occur when such spaces, which are not visible differen from normal spaces, are in an article. Shouldn't the Wiki-software prevent such spaces to be stored in an article?
 * @SHB2000 Thank you very much for including the link to the copyvio site, it is very usefull. However, in this case my guess is that copyvio is the case, but not from a website, but from a book about wine. But then there still is a question of "how did the user produce that type of spaces". --FredTC (talk) 13:46, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * maybe on mobile? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

 * .    On mobile, it turns out like this SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:50, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * okay so on mobile, it’s not the case 2001:8004:27D2:AAF1:7C5B:D44F:7787:E1F8 13:52, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * So here's a possibility of theories that I think has happened.

 * 1) They were using the old Wikitext editor.
 * 2) It's copy paste from a website that has been taken down
 * 3) Some form of &nsbp; was added, but was removed???
 * I really can't think of any other reason. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:56, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Well, as the tags suggest, they used the visual editor, so the old wikitext editor can be ruled out. I see similar patterns in other edits by this person (refer to Piedmont and Aosta Valley), so I am willing to be that the simply aren't familiar with the way that wikitext works. Although on the other hand, they changed about thirty thousand bytes just between 10AM and 1PM on June 11th alone. Another anomaly would be the creation of Pavia ( province), which now redirects, but was about 30,000 bytes in size, published at 15:06, only 23 minutes after their previous edit. I have some serious concern about copy-pasting looking at these contributions. Seen as how has had some interaction with them, perhaps they would like to tune in as well? -- Wauteurz (talk) 17:11, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I doubt this is a copy paste thing since it only shows a 11% similarity. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 22:35, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Whatever it is, I don't think it's all manually written. The edits are too big within too short of a timespan for that to check out in my perception. That said, I checked a few of their edits at random and it gave me quite a few <10% results, but also a 44.4% (Aosta Valley), 93.7% (Milan/Centro Storico) and a 97.1% (Piedmont). The latter seems to be a case of us being copied rather than the other way around though. I am not entirely sure what to make of it altogether. Copyvios aren't something I've looked into much before. -- Wauteurz (talk) 23:17, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Below you see what I was worried about. The first one has the special spaces between name and =. The second has normal spaces between name and =.
 * The same could happen when you have a normal looking "lat = 123.45 | long = 54.321" and you don't understand why the marker does not appear on the map. --FredTC (talk) 07:58, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * For some reason I get just normal spaces when I try to copy and paste the lines above to od (I think my tools have worked before, I don't know what I am doing differently now).
 * Anyway, this is a real problem, but probably not a problem that can be solved in the listing editor, other than perhaps by highlighting unusual characters. There are lots of invisible characters in Unicode, many of which are useful. There are also lots of characters that are visually close, such as "1", "l" and "I", depending on the font used. What about "ηame" or "пamе"? Do you see the three Greek and Russian letters? This is handled in domain names by not allowing mixtures of characters from different alphabets under most national top domains (there was a heated conflict for Bulgaria, who wanted ".бг" as top domain, while it was thought to be too close to ".br" in many fonts).
 * We need to be able to use Greek and Cyrillic besides English, but perhaps we could get a tool to analyse a listing (or a page) and flag anything unusual.
 * –LPfi (talk) 11:14, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * We need to be able to use Greek and Cyrillic besides English, but perhaps we could get a tool to analyse a listing (or a page) and flag anything unusual.
 * –LPfi (talk) 11:14, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

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