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User talk:EvanProdromou/Hansm

Resignation of german go-between and admin
After a long time of thinking, I have decided to ask you to toggle off my de: admin flag. I also resign formaly from beeing de: go-betweeen. I never had been elected and my name always served as a placeholder for the basically vacant go-between. The past has shown that go-between tasks can be done by several de: users, whoever feels responsible. I have anounced my decision 14 days ago on de: and have asked for new go-between candidates. Since nobody volunteered, there is no official de: go-between now. -- (WT-en) Hansm 04:37, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Done! I'm sorry to hear that you won't be working as a de: admin anymore, but I hope you'll still have some time to participate. I know you never wanted to do the job in the first place, and I appreciate that you put as much time as you did into it. Thanks. --(WT-en) Evan 12:35, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Thanks. I want to keep my normal user account. I suppose you already have noticed that I run a small wiki to organize a project fork. Together with some german speaking wikivoyagers we try to build up a democraticaly organized non-profit association according to german law. If we succeed, a multilingual alternative to wikivoyage.org is planed. We would like to cooperate with wikivoyage if wikivoyage.org doesn't regard us as a rival. If we don't succeed, I intend to contribute to wikivoyage/de occasionaly, provided that advertising is limited to an acceptable dose and the organisatorical structures turn out to be as transparent as they claim to be. -- (WT-en) Hansm 17:32, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

 * I didn't change your normal user account, I just lowered the privileges. You should still be able to login and edit as normal, you just won't be able to do administrator things like deleting and protecting articles, banning users, or rolling back changes.

 * I think organizing a member-run non-profit association of contributors is an excellent idea, and I hope that works out. I wonder: have you considered operating your non-profit as an independent users group (like a Linux users group) rather taking on the expense and responsibility of running your own servers? I'm pretty sure a lot of Wikivoyagers would participate in a WUG.

 * I don't think a fork is the best thing for travellers or contributors. Please, tell me why you think that working on Wikivoyage is sufficiently unendurable to justify trying to make a fork. I'd like to correct whatever the problem is and avoid splitting the time and effort of travel contributors. --(WT-en) Evan 00:50, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

I don't understand your suggestion to operate like an independent users group. What we'll need is a dedicated server to run the wikis. I never have heard that users groups get paid a server from somebody.

I think you already know quite well our concerns. So, I'll keep it short:

There are things you cannot correct any more since you have sold your control over wikivoyage.org:
 * Independance from profit oriented organisation.
 * Democratic community decissions not only about contence, but even about
 * how the server(s) are maintained,
 * whether advertising is necessary or not,
 * how db-dumps are made available,
 * which server-provider is choosen,
 * who has to administrate the server(s),
 * what features should be implemented and how this should be done.

Some other things you maybe could improve even on wikivoyage.org:
 * More equality in the rights of the language versions. Seperate the english version from making decisions that affect all other language versions. Those decisions have to be elaborated on shared: or review:, not on en:
 * More support for non-english versions.
 * More authonomie for language versions, i.e.
 * elected Bureaucrats, not only Evan,
 * access to its wiki-configuration and its db for some elected admins.
 * Accept that there are many wikivoyagers that are able to write Mediawiki extensions, some probably better than Evan.
 * Discuss new ideas or improvements for features before having them implemented yourself.
 * Accept that some development of features needs a master plan rather than tinkering one next to the other without having an idea how the final result will look like. This requires open minded discussions in advance.

-- (WT-en) Hansm 05:11, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Originally posted as interlaced comments; removed to blocks per request, see User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Hansm for an interlaced version.

 * The idea is that if your concern is about user input into the process, you spend your time, money, and effort on that, rather than on servers and developers. It sounds like you have a social problem (user decision making, mostly on de: but also on other Wikivoyage versions) and a technical solution (servers, DBs, MediaWiki).

 * [...] No, actually, I don't. I've tried to follow your conversations in German through Google Translate, but we haven't talked directly about them. I appreciate that you've taken the time to present your case here. Direct communications are the best way to get problems taken care of!

 * [...] I don't think I was clear; I meant that I'd like us to work together to correct the problems, not that I would correct them unilaterally by fiat. There are many other voices that should be heard, which is why an open conversation is needed.

 * [...] One nice thing about the ToC discussion was finding out that this is really important for German culture. At least in the USA, and some other parts of the world, there's more of a feeling that Open Source and Open Content, and community interaction, can be developed using a commercial platform (SourceForge, Wikia). I think my point about starting a WUG is that you could have this independence, member voting, etc., without having the expense of running your own servers and the effort of building up an anti-brand. You could continue the work and momentum that's gone into making Wikivoyage well-known.

 * I won't bother you with this idea again; it wouldn't be very "independent" if you did it exactly how I said! B-)

 * [...] So, I think we've tried to address these things over the last few weeks with the Project:Technical infrastructure policy for Wikivoyage; everybody on Wikivoyage has a voice in how the software works. w/r/t advertising, when the time comes that there's going to be advertising on Wikivoyage, there will be a discussion on how it works. If someone thinks that discussion needs to be started now, they're free to create Project:Advertising policy.

 * I think there is a line we've drawn in the infrastructure policy between things that readers and contributors see (UI features, performance), and stuff they don't see (layout of config files on the servers, backup schedule). I think the Wikivoyage community's attention and effort is best spent working on the goals of the project, not on running a Web server like a kibbutz. I don't know of a site that runs this way; I know in particular that Wikimedia Foundation's technical infrastructure is not determined by majority vote.

 * [...] I think this is a valid principle, but I'm not sure what it would mean in practice.

 * [...] That's a great idea. I like that a lot. I don't think that it would make sense on review, since the whole point of that site is to be a scratchpad; I want to be able to replace its DB and language interface with copies from other languages as needed. So it would probably have to be shared:. What kinds of decisions would move there? Technical ones (bug reports, feature requests), or others, too? I could see some of the multi-lingual policies go out there, as well as language version expeditions.

 * [...] Support in terms of technical support? Or other kinds of support?

 * [...] (WT-sv) Riggwelter brought this up earlier. Now that we're up to the same version (just about) as the Wikimedia servers, we can do this. I'd love to see this job joined with being a go-between.

 * [...] I wonder if making technical requests faster would make this unnecessary. I'll be honest: I'd be very concerned about that.

 * [...] I accept the fact that many people can write MW extensions, but I challenge anyone who thinks they can do it better than me to a programming shoot-out. B-) On a serious note, I wonder if there's a point to this, though. Do you think we should have a more formal policy about accepting code submissions from Wikivoyagers and others? Or about scripts?

 * [...] I think that's been the big lesson from the ToC move. That's why we have a review site and why Maj and I have moved our programming projects to Project:Feature requests.

 * [...] I guess that this comes particularly from your experience with the Project:RDF Expedition. This is actually a software development philosophy question, and I much prefer getting software developed and rolled out for review quickly rather than getting bogged down in a master plan. The idea is that you should deal with the problems you have now, and don't borrow problems from the future, and you'll save time and effort because you may never actually have those future problems. I think with respect to the RDF Expedition there's still a lot of architectural work to be done, which might mean re-writing some of the stuff that's been done already. I think that encapsulating RDF in templates makes this much easier to do.

 * [...] To summarize: overall, I think you have some very good ideas, especially regarding the role of en: and other language versions. At least to begin with, I'm going to copy a few of them to the Project:Language version policy and Project:Technical infrastructure policy talk pages.

 * [...] I'd suggest that you continue to work with me and Maj, IB, the en: community and the other Wikivoyage language version communities to see if we can work out these problems together. Many of them sound workable to me, and although I'd have problems with others, I'd like to think we can come to some reasonable compromises. --(WT-en) Evan 11:36, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Fine, at least some of my points seem to initiate some reflections about how to handle things on WT. I'm happy if I could help Wikivoyage with some inputs from my experience with de:. Now about some details:

 * One nice thing about the ToC discussion was... --- Just compare http://www.greenhybrid.com/, one of IB's comunity driven sites, and http://www.wikia.com . See the difference? Blatend banners right at the top! This is more than just a question of mentality. Wikia is run by Wikimedia bord members who know quite well what it does mean to work on a wiki. IB is run by advertising specialists. However, no need for me any more to discuss about this point.

 * So, I think we've tried to address these things over the last few weeks.. --- Discussing is a nice way to spend one's time, but what I was talking about was deciding. Here, final decisions are made by IB, not by the community. One point why we want to build up an alternative.

 * I think there is a line we've drawn... --- Well, that's what you think, but I think that were not we who have drawn the line, but you personaly. That's OK, because that's the wikivoyage way of organisation. We (those who want to fork) want to try an other way and contributors will decide what they like more.

 * I think that's been the big lesson from the ToC move. ... --- This was not the first lesson on this theme, but the first one that was big enough that you could understand. Let's hope you will remember even after some months. I already had been quite upset after you have had spread your first RDF "examples" without having discussed them. I'm convinced that many contributors would appreciate to find an alternative without an over-mighty superuser.

 * Well, you have asked for my ideas about improvements and I did tell you some of my basic points. For the next future, I'll concentrate on organizing the fork rather than trying things that didn't succeed in the past, i.e. changing your way of leading wikivoyage. People are different and there are many different kinds of mentality. For sure, there will be a lot of contributers feeling perfectly comfortable with wikivoyage.org. Maybe, there are others that prefer to take over more responsibility (and liberty) for the community they are working with and its organisation. Let choose each what (s)he likes more. The most important thing is that we work together for the same aime, to create a free, complete, up-to-date, and reliable world-wide travel guide.

 * -- (WT-en) Hansm 14:14, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

 * I hope you re-consider and instead work with the rest of the community here to keep improving Wikivoyage. --(WT-en) Evan 20:09, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

Removed section
I don't understand your suggestion to operate like an independent users group. What we'll need is a dedicated server to run the wikis. I never have heard that users groups get paid a server from somebody.

 * The idea is that if your concern is about user input into the process, you spend your time, money, and effort on that, rather than on servers and developers. It sounds like you have a social problem (user decision making, mostly on de: but also on other Wikivoyage versions) and a technical solution (servers, DBs, MediaWiki). --(WT-en) Evan

I think you already know quite well our concerns. So, I'll keep it short:

 * No, actually, I don't. I've tried to follow your conversations in German through Google Translate, but we haven't talked directly about them. I appreciate that you've taken the time to present your case here. Direct communications are the best way to get problems taken care of! --(WT-en) Evan

There are things you cannot correct any more since you have sold your control over wikivoyage.org:

 * I don't think I was clear; I meant that I'd like us to work together to correct the problems, not that I would correct them unilaterally by fiat. There are many other voices that should be heard, which is why an open conversation is needed. --(WT-en) Evan

 * Independance from profit oriented organisation.

 * One nice thing about the ToC discussion was finding out that this is really important for German culture. At least in the USA, and some other parts of the world, there's more of a feeling that Open Source and Open Content, and community interaction, can be developed using a commercial platform (SourceForge, Wikia). I think my point about starting a WUG is that you could have this independence, member voting, etc., without having the expense of running your own servers and the effort of building up an anti-brand. You could continue the work and momentum that's gone into making Wikivoyage well-known.

 * I won't bother you with this idea again; it wouldn't be very "independent" if you did it exactly how I said! B-) --(WT-en) Evan

 * Democratic community decissions not only about contence, but even about
 * how the server(s) are maintained,
 * whether advertising is necessary or not,
 * how db-dumps are made available,
 * which server-provider is choosen,
 * who has to administrate the server(s),
 * what features should be implemented and how this should be done.

 * So, I think we've tried to address these things over the last few weeks with the Project:Technical infrastructure policy for Wikivoyage; everybody on Wikivoyage has a voice in how the software works. w/r/t advertising, when the time comes that there's going to be advertising on Wikivoyage, there will be a discussion on how it works. If someone thinks that discussion needs to be started now, they're free to create Project:Advertising policy.

 * I think there is a line we've drawn in the infrastructure policy between things that readers and contributors see (UI features, performance), and stuff they don't see (layout of config files on the servers, backup schedule). I think the Wikivoyage community's attention and effort is best spent working on the goals of the project, not on running a Web server like a kibbutz. I don't know of a site that runs this way; I know in particular that Wikimedia Foundation's technical infrastructure is not determined by majority vote. --(WT-en) Evan

 * More equality in the rights of the language versions.

 * I think this is a valid principle, but I'm not sure what it would mean in practice. --(WT-en) Evan

 * Seperate the english version from making decisions that affect all other language versions. Those decisions have to be elaborated on shared: or review:, not on en:
 * That's a great idea. I like that a lot. I don't think that it would make sense on review, since the whole point of that site is to be a scratchpad; I want to be able to replace its DB and language interface with copies from other languages as needed. So it would probably have to be shared:. What kinds of decisions would move there? Technical ones (bug reports, feature requests), or others, too? I could see some of the multi-lingual policies go out there, as well as language version expeditions. --(WT-en) Evan
 * More support for non-english versions.
 * Support in terms of technical support? Or other kinds of support? --(WT-en) Evan
 * More authonomie for language versions, i.e.
 * elected Bureaucrats, not only Evan,
 * (WT-sv) Riggwelter brought this up earlier. Now that we're up to the same version (just about) as the Wikimedia servers, we can do this. I'd love to see this job joined with being a go-between. --(WT-en) Evan
 * access to its wiki-configuration and its db for some elected admins.
 * I wonder if making technical requests faster would make this unnecessary. I'll be honest: I'd be very concerned about that. --(WT-en) Evan
 * Accept that there are many wikivoyagers that are able to write Mediawiki extensions, some probably better than Evan.
 * I accept the fact that many people can write MW extensions, but I challenge anyone who thinks they can do it better than me to a programming shoot-out. B-) On a serious note, I wonder if there's a point to this, though. Do you think we should have a more formal policy about accepting code submissions from Wikivoyagers and others? Or about scripts? --(WT-en) Evan
 * Discuss new ideas or improvements for features before having them implemented yourself.
 * I think that's been the big lesson from the ToC move. That's why we have a review site and why Maj and I have moved our programming projects to Project:Feature requests. --(WT-en) Evan
 * Accept that some development of features needs a master plan rather than tinkering one next to the other without having an idea how the final result will look like. This requires open minded discussions in advance.
 * I guess that this comes particularly from your experience with the Project:RDF Expedition. This is actually a software development philosophy question, and I much prefer getting software developed and rolled out for review quickly rather than getting bogged down in a master plan. The idea is that you should deal with the problems you have now, and don't borrow problems from the future, and you'll save time and effort because you may never actually have those future problems. I think with respect to the RDF Expedition there's still a lot of architectural work to be done, which might mean re-writing some of the stuff that's been done already. I think that encapsulating RDF in templates makes this much easier to do. --(WT-en) Evan

-- (WT-en) Hansm 05:11, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

 * To summarize: overall, I think you have some very good ideas, especially regarding the role of en: and other language versions. At least to begin with, I'm going to copy a few of them to the Project:Language version policy and Project:Technical infrastructure policy talk pages.

 * I'd suggest that you continue to work with me and Maj, IB, the en: community and the other Wikivoyage language version communities to see if we can work out these problems together. Many of them sound workable to me, and although I'd have problems with others, I'd like to think we can come to some reasonable compromises. --(WT-en) Evan 11:36, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Dear Evan, is this the new way of discussing on WT? If you should have forgotten your policies, please read Project:Using_talk_pages. You have completely messed up my posting. Nobody else would be able to understand who has written which parts of our discussion. I'd strongly suggest that you revert your edits and bring them into a suitable form. If done so, I can give some replies. -- (WT-en) Hansm 12:24, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

 * It's very common, when replying to a point-by-point discussion, to intersperse comments with the original points. I specifically signed each paragraph so it would be clear who wrote what. Since it's not helpful for you, I've reverted, but moved this discussion to a separate page for reference. --(WT-en) Evan 12:48, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

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FREE World Atlas You guys do not use e-mails at all? Coldn't find any emails on your site. So have to edit the page. FREE WORLD ATLAS IS AVAILABLE HERE: http://adiabata.ivr.org/Demos/Atlas_demo.htm. Regards.

Yep! That's what we have these pages for.

I'll check it out -- looks really interesting. --(WT-en) Evan 22:19, 19 Jan 2004 (EST)

Link to Wikipedia
I note that you deleted the wikipedia link from the Wellington article. Why? (WT-en) Tiles 18:55, 31 Dec 2003 (PST)

I didn't delete it -- I just changed it to be like other links to Wikipedia. --(WT-en) Evan 14:45, 1 Jan 2004 (PST)
 * Mea culpa. I was looking in the wrong place. Sorry. (WT-en) Tiles 23:59, 1 Jan 2004 (PST)

 * No sweat. I realize that it's a weird way to do links, but I think it works better. --(WT-en) Evan 12:52, 2 Jan 2004 (EST)

on my way home, prolly walking(WT-en) Majnoona

 * See you when you get here. --(WT-en) Evan 19:28, 7 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * I emailed a copy of the new cmf article draft to your wikivoyage and yahoo accounts, lemme know if you want me to do more with it. on my way out(WT-en) Majnoona

Look at this...
Evan, maybe it's been there some time but I discovered it just now. Look at this (3rd place) and this (1st place). No doubt there are others... (WT-en) DhDh 16:52, 9 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * That's so cool! I know we get spidered by Google pretty frequently. There should probably be a way to check our page rank on Google automatically for any page. I know they have some kind of API... --(WT-en) Evan 17:09, 9 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * (Responding to myself here.) I took a look at the Google APIs. Seems like we could search for article titles on Google, and if they come back in the top 10 results, we'd save that. We could have like a Project:Top ten Google hits and have it updated by bot. That reminds me -- we need to get that Project:Bot policy going. --(WT-en) Evan 17:30, 9 Jan 2004 (EST)

I've been wondering, do you or your forerunners know enough Greek to add to the Greek phrasebook? -(WT-en) phma 22:48, 9 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * ha ha forerunners. I actually have some Greek, and I'll try to poke at it a bit. I'm pretty weak, though. I do have a dictionary around here somewhere. --(WT-en) Evan 14:14, 10 Jan 2004 (EST)

Looks like my nomination has lapsed. Oh well. -(WT-en) phma 01:08, 18 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * Yes. I'm sorry about that. --(WT-en) Evan 11:29, 18 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * Is there a waiting period, or some number of new admins, to elapse before trying again? -(WT-en) phma 09:16, 19 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * Nope. I'll renominate you right now. --(WT-en) Evan 11:30, 19 Jan 2004 (EST)

Brazil maps
I've found a website that contains a wealth of maps of Brazil, but I'm not sure if they are copyrighted or not. Do you have any idea if we could use these on Wikivoyage? (WT-en) DhDh 11:38, 22 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * I have no idea. We can incorporate public domain information into Wikivoyage (as well as by-sa stuff, of course), and in the USA works created by federal government employees for their jobs are in the public domain. I don't know if that's the case in Brazil, though. You should contact the Webmaster for that site, but make sure you make it clear that the works would be re-licensed under the by-sa. It's not OK if they say, "sure, you can put them on your site." They need to understand our copyleft and what it will mean. --(WT-en) Evan 11:41, 22 Jan 2004 (EST)

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World66 Licence
Hi Evan, I noticed your comment on Lessig's blog and here I am, probably in the best place to answer to you. Well, most of our articles were written before November 2003, so they were copyrighted by World66. This means we don't have to ask anybody the permission to change the licence. There may be problems with those who edited some of our articles under the GFDL in November and December and now see their articles licenced under a CC licence... but, sincerely, the two licences are almost the same (with the exception of all those boring sections/invariant sections etc...) so I don't think that anyone will complain about that. - Giorgio Baresi

I really like the Visual Language wiki

Thank you for the kind comments. I hope the Visual Language wiki inspires more people to make interesting maps, and I hope some of those maps can be used at Wikivoyage. Wikivoyage looks very successful to me. Congratulations. Thank you for starting and maintaining Wikivoyage. -- (WT-en) DavidCary

Should 81.225.96.90 be blocked? He's been doing nothing but writing an ad for phone service, and has edited it many more than three times. BTW, is there a page for discussing blocking someone? -(WT-en) phma 19:48, 29 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * I believe there's a broken link on my (WT-en) TODO page to something that should be a discussion. It seems to be under control right now, and I'm not sure that a ban is the best response. After all, we've been on the air for 6 months, and we haven't had to do a user ban yet (as can be noted from the fact that the user ban policy is still a broken link).

 * Let's give it a while -- one guy, working on one page, is pretty much a sitting duck for SoftSecurity. (That said, it's probly a good idea to get started on the ban policy -- it'll be good to have it in place if we need it.) --(WT-en) Evan 22:55, 29 Jan 2004 (EST)

Re: The Copyright on my photo I'm actually a bit confused about what you meant. I understand that everything must be by-sa, and that's fine with me. I thought you wanted me to include information on what the original copyright was, which is why I labelled it by-nc (it is my photo, and that's how I've licenced it on my personal photos website). So, what should I put for copyright info? BTW, you can delete the first photo I uploaded, I don't need it anymore. --(WT-en) Dawnview 01:02, 31 Jan 2004 (PST)

 * Thanks for the reply Evan, and the clarification. You'd have to do a lot more than talk about CC licences to scare me away. :) Wikivoyage is a brilliant idea. It's a perfect example of how to use the Internet and CC licensing. I look forward to contributing. --(WT-en) Dawnview 17:25, 31 Jan 2004 (EST)

Romanian Wikivoyage redirection problem
Evan, I saw that you changed the redirection on the main page to go to www.ro.wikivoyage.org/wiki/article/Portal instead of www.ro.wikivoyage.org/wiki/articol/Pagina_principală. That's great, but now it doesn't work because the /article/ should be /articol/. So, when the users go to http://www.wikivoyage.org/ro, it should redirect to www.ro.wikivoyage.org/wiki/articol/Portal. Could you change this if you have time, (WT-en) Ronline 04:28, 31 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * Done. Sorry about that! --(WT-en) Evan 12:43, 31 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * Thanks a lot! (WT-en) Ronline 17:45, 31 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * It was a dumb mistake. I was originally doing the redirect using an HTML page because I was too lazy to look up the .htaccess directive. Once I had the .htaccess thing set up for en, I just copied it for ro. Gotta remember to check those things next time... --(WT-en) Evan 17:59, 31 Jan 2004 (EST)

Hi Evan!

Thank you for your welcome :-) --(WT-en) RedBit 16:18, 31 Jan 2004 (EST)

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See also User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Archives

UN/LOCODE
On en.wikipedia we are setting up UN/LOCODE ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN/LOCODE ) redirects for cities. That makes linking from outside of wikipedia easier. There are some places with different names on the world, but those places have only one UN/LOCODE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN/LOCODE:USLAX

Maybe we can do something like this on wikivoyage, but shorter. Could maybe 5 uppercase letters be reserved?. Or should this feature be put outside the article space, or even outside the language-space.

http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/USLAX http://wikivoyage.org/USLAX

... (WT-en) Tobias Conradi 23:25, 3 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * I love this idea! What about setting up a separate namespace, like Locode: ? I think there are a lot of things to work out. I think there are a lot of ways to work this. Unfortunately, my connectivity is pretty limited right now... maybe we should start a page on Project:geocoding, or even a Project:Geocoding Expedition (see Project:Expeditions)? --(WT-en) Evan 22:17, 6 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * namespace Locode: is fine, because UN/LOCODE: does not seem to be feasible. I am currently asking UN publications office, about copyright. ( http://www.unece.org/etrades/uncopyright.htm ) If it turns out bad, we can create our own free and open codes :-).

Locode:ABCDE could present links to articles on wikivoyage, on wikipedia and links to good external pages that use this codes. I contact you, if I know more about the copyright. (WT-en) Tobias Conradi 03:26, 8 Jan 2005 (EST)

Delenda Est
I noticed that Image:Nativity Monk.JPG still exists AND is listed in Project:Deletion log. How does that happen? -- (WT-en) Colin 19:15, 4 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * Jpatokal re-uploaded it after it was deleted. See Project:votes for undeletion. I'm not sure what to do with it now. --(WT-en) Evan 22:18, 6 Jan 2005 (EST)

Galveston 500 Error
Galveston still is giving a 500 error when someone tries to edit it. I think the best thing to do is copy the information off the page and then delete the page.--(WT-en) Texas Web Scout 09:22, 6 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * See Project:Bug reports 1.3.5 for the full story. -- (WT-en) Huttite 15:29, 6 Jan 2005 (EST)

WikiWiki ownership
I have edited your WikiWiki page because I believe you have misinterpreted the meaning of Collective Work and Derivative Work. I too cannot get my head around who owns the copyright to an article that has been subject to many edits, but I believe I am correct in my interpretation of the different Works.

I will put the exact reasons on the talk for the page, or wherever is more appropriate.

For some reason, I am not logged in, perhaps I have multiple sessions, but my userid is rjhodgson.

Love the site, and have plunged, I have also had an idea, but dont want to publicise it here, maybe you can email me, I am sure you can get my addy from somewhere :)

 * So, first of all, I make a very distinct point of not digging out email addresses for people from the DB. I can use the "email this user" feature in Wikivoyage, though, which I'll do right away.

 * Second, I think you're mistaken about what a collective work is. A collective work would be, say, an anthology of poems, a magazine with many articles, a book of photographs, a musical album, or a Linux distribution. That is, it's a group of works that can stand alone in their own right but are chosen or assembled together for some reason (convenience, similarity, etc.).

 * One work is a derivative of another, though, if it is based on the other, or contains the other in whole or in part. For example, a movie based on a novel is a derivative work; a novel featuring the characters in a movie is a derivative work. A translation of a poem from one language to another is a derivative work, and a new edition or abridgement of a story is a derivative work. A new version of a piece of software is (almost always) a derivative work of the previous version.

 * There are two ways to apply these ideas to wiki. Individual pages are (almost always) standalone works, grouped together to form a whole. But the different versions of a page are derivative works of each other. Each contributor takes the work as they find it and edits, adds, or subtracts parts to make a new work based on the previous version.

 * I realize that there are some folks who try to consider each word and sentence as an individually copyrightable work that just happens to be on the same page as other words and sentences, but this is clearly not the case. When you edit a page, you take an existing work and modify it to produce a new work. That's very clearly a derivative work relationship. --(WT-en) Evan 14:26, 20 Jan 2005 (EST)

?
I'm a bit hurt that you didn't respond to my note at User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Dec 2004? --(WT-en) Maveric149 22:13, 21 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * Don't be hurt! I'm very sorry. (WT-en) Maj and I were on our honeymoon, and we didn't have very good net access. I still haven't caught up on all my correspondence. I'll try and come up with a more in-depth response this wknd. --(WT-en) Evan 14:21, 22 Jan 2005 (EST)

Voicing Globally
Hi Evan,

Ahhh, my favorite travel is also about North America by car. What a continent!

You might be interested in some of the discussion going on about a new "global voices" project which hopes to identify local voices and content sources for every part of the world. The idea is being developed and promoted by a collection of bloggers and media veterans, which I am tangentially tied into.

See Talk:BridgeBlog on the GV site for more. It would be nice to have your take on where to look for personal local perspectives around the world -- from the viewpoint of someone going on a trip, and from that of someone trying to understand changes and news around the world. (WT-en) Sj 01:25, 29 Jan 2005 (EST)

title: User talk:EvanProdromou/Jan 2005


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User talk:EvanProdromou/Jan 2007

See also User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Archives

Please direct the following questions to the right spots:

 * Technical requests like feature requests or bug reports should be posted using the tool at wts:Technical requests.

Link#2
I am interested in contributing to WikiTravel.org. I already operate a credible tourism website for Western Australia and am seeking further exposure (Quid Pro Quo). I can't afford to spend time researching, writing and contributing if I cannot obtain anything in return such as a few links. Either you are running a business and so work with other business operators in a credible and effective manner, or you are running some sort of charity similar to Wikipedia and relying on donations. Obviously, you don't want to have the kind of links that would detract from your website, but links to well developed, valuable and informative websites could help to enhance your site. I don't want to put my website link here, but if you go to Google and search for Holiday WA we will most likely be listed at the top of the resulting page. See what you think, is this a type of site that you might possibly permit as an external link? Regards David

 * We have guidelines for external links at Project:external links. --(WT-en) Evan 00:19, 10 January 2007 (EST)

Link
I like a lot the wikivoyage project, but i thing a very important feature is missing: It is not allowed to add external link to find good address where to sleep! 80% of the people planing to travel will first be interresting by a guide to know good place where to sleep (and also to eat). I thing you must stop to forbid external link to resource showing good place where to sleep! Also, i thing that the most important contributor to the wikivoyage guide will be the people who have some hotel/restaurant/etc because they are very interresting by the wikivoyage project and also they know perfectly the area where they are ! if you stop to forbid them to add link to their resource, for sur they will become to be a good contributor to the wikivoyage project !

For exemple if you go on the frejus city you will see: "Sleep: You can rent an apartment in Fréjus. It is cheaper than a 2, 3 or 4 * hotel, larger, more comfortable, practical, and... it feels like a real French experience!" Everyone read that are more interresting to know where they can rent these appartments ! don't you thing that it's the purpose of a travel guide ?

 * The purpose of a travel guide is to have addresses, phone numbers, price and other information about hotels in the travel guide -- not at the other end of an URL. We do allow hotel owners (or anybody) to add the link to their hotel in the appropriate accommodation listings. We don't allow links to third-party sites, like hotel aggregators or search engines. --(WT-en) Evan 11:15, 10 December 2006 (EST)

 * I really thing that an url showing all the resource to sleep will be appropriate (hotel aggregators or search engines) ! This is the purpose of a travel guide ...

 * Feel free to bring it up on Project:External links, but I strongly disagree. --(WT-en) Evan 10:20, 11 December 2006 (EST)

Kyiv
I was just in the process of replying on the articles talk page. As for the language situation it differs between various cities in Ukraine.

Transnistria
Transnistria is quite safe, I have lived there for six months as a westerner and it is safe, some embassys still issue a minor caution. It is a small country and for that reason it is easy enough for the poice there to control. I would like to work on the page (WT-en) Vlad Moko Dec 5

 * Oh, of course. --(WT-en) Evan 20:10, 4 December 2006 (EST)

Re: WikiOutdoors
I don't have an informed opinion yet. Let me do some research and get back to you, probably tomorrow. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:58, 4 December 2006 (EST)

 * No rush, I just didn't want the conversation to go by without your input. --(WT-en) Evan 09:32, 5 December 2006 (EST)

Sorry it took a while, but I've added a quick comment on the WikiOutdoors discussion. It looks like a neat idea, and hopefully the site takes off. Apologies for not looking into it more closely, but unfortunately real life has intervened, and for at least a couple of months my free time (particularly the 8:30 AM to 6:30 PM part) will be somewhat limited by that evil necessity that puts me in a cubicle in order to fund those trips to the Antartic... if only everyone had a cool travel web site that paid the bills! -- (WT-en) Ryan 22:58, 5 December 2006 (EST)

Wikimania speaker
Did you happen to catch the name of a speaker at Wikimania that was discussing a project to catalog books, articles, music and video clips? He also passed around several books that were downloaded and printed in matter of minutes in a mobile van somewhere in India. If you happen to know either his or the organization's name I'd appreciate it if you could give those to me. Thanks. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 08:22, 5 December 2006 (EST)

 * Brewster Kahle of the Internet Archives. --(WT-en) Evan 09:21, 5 December 2006 (EST)
 * Thank you! -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 09:23, 5 December 2006 (EST)

 * Thanks for moving the welcome message I left on User:(WT-en) KazzM to his talk page. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 15:36, 6 December 2006 (EST)

book links and bolded titles
Hey Evan, a quick question - is there a standard for bolded or unbolded titles when doing a list of, say, cities or regions? I've been doing some bolded recently (see 'get out' in Cox's Bazar) but figure I should ask before causing more work to undo later...

Also I've seen somewhere but can't find an example now, book listings, maybe a section called 'recommended reading'... is this ok, and I recall links to ISBN numbers and such... what's the policy? (WT-en) Cacahuate 08:08, 7 December 2006 (EST)

 * I believe it's just unbolded in the Project:article templates, and I kind of prefer it that way. A link at the beginning of a line is going to attract attention anyways, so boldface is kind of overkill. I do like using boldface in the text of the one-liner descriptions, since they give some idea of what's going on in that city.

 * As for books, I think they're supposed to go under "Understand". I don't like the word "recommended", since someone needs to be doing the recommending. I think in some parts of the site, there's a "Read" subsection of the Understand section.

You can make a link to a book with Special:Booksources. The Hockey Sweater will give The Hockey Sweater. More info at Meta:Help:ISBN links. Please, only links to backgrounders (history, fiction, detailed natural sciences, etc.), not travel guides. --(WT-en) Evan 08:27, 7 December 2006 (EST)

 * perfect, thank you sir! (WT-en) Cacahuate 08:42, 7 December 2006 (EST)

Oberlin
Evan, something you did when editing the recently moved (by me) Oberlin page proved incredibly and reproducibly toxic to my web browser. The screen is covered with something looking like listingGetAttr, called in /var/www/wikivoyage/mw/extensions/Listing.php on line 219 and defined in /var/www/wikivoyage/mw/extensions/Listing.php on What did you do? Looks like you're experimenting with something that's blowing up. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 17:26, 7 December 2006 (EST)
 * I see that too. -- Andrew
 * Fixed now. I added some code to actually parse the tags section of listings, and for some reason just didn't get it right. It shouldn't cause problems now. --(WT-en) Evan 18:20, 7 December 2006 (EST)
 * As it happens, that coincides with my changing IsPartOf to isIn, to try to give you some diagnostics to work with. Let me revert it and see if your fix did indeed fix it. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:25, 7 December 2006 (EST) -- Yup, that seems to do the trick. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:27, 7 December 2006 (EST)

Bus aggregator
Hi, Im just wondering about the charter bus pages being removed. I do not understand why group travel should not be a part of Wikivoyage —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 38.98.152.2 (talk • contribs)

 * It's a sticky situation, but I think chartering buses for a large group are outside our goals. Regardless, we only make external links to primary sources, so links to the bus charter aggregator you were adding would be off the table anyways. Hope that helps. --(WT-en) Evan 14:08, 10 December 2006 (EST)

Bakersfield
Apologies. I reverted to a previous version on this page although you had already done it long before. Sorry. (WT-en) Xania 14:40, 10 December 2006 (EST)

Bug question
Any chance you might know why if you click "Edit" on one of the headers on Travel news it edits a different section? I.e. If you click "edit" for the "December" header you edit the "November" header. Should this be reported as a bug and if so since I think it's a EN specific bug where do you want it to be reported? -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 22:13, 10 December 2006 (EST)

 * Template:Newsitem used tags, which caused the edit links to be thrown off. I've changed those to   tags, which seems to have fixed the issue.  This issue is probably something that could be fixed in Mediawiki, but based on experience with JAMWiki it's not easy to figure out. -- (WT-en) Ryan 23:14, 10 December 2006 (EST)

 * Thanks! -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 23:15, 10 December 2006 (EST)

area codes
A few weeks ago you mentioned that you were going to try to add the area code function that Hypatia, you, and I had discussed on IRC. Any chance that may be coming soon? -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 22:24, 11 December 2006 (EST)

 * Probably before the end of the month. --(WT-en) Evan 22:34, 11 December 2006 (EST)

 * Is it possible to localize the listing attributes or is that still a no-no? -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 22:46, 11 December 2006 (EST)

 * I think it's a yes-yes. I wouldn't have spent hours building that feature if I didn't want it to work. Jani had a beef with it, though. We should probably discuss somewhere... like on shared:, maybe. --(WT-en) Evan 23:09, 11 December 2006 (EST)

 * Which function is this, please (and where is "shared:")? (WT-en) Andy Mabbett 09:17, 12 December 2006 (EST)

 * "shared:" is our shared repository for images, tech requests, and multilingual coordination. See wts:Main Page for details.

 * I've pulled together the spec idea on shared:, which is where it should have gone in the first place; it's here: wts:WtTech:Automatic area codes in listings. Note that you can log into shared: with your en: user page as an OpenID. --(WT-en) Evan 10:03, 12 December 2006 (EST)

 * Thank you, I've replied there. (WT-en) Andy Mabbett 13:09, 12 December 2006 (EST)

 * Actually, I think the feature I was talking about was localization of the names of listing tags. So on French Wikivoyage the drink tag may be called boire, and the address attribute might be adresse. Andrew is one of the main admins on our German Wikivoyage, so he's been planning to localize the tags there. --(WT-en) Evan 10:07, 12 December 2006 (EST)

 * Bump. I've moved the localizing listing tags and attributes discussion to wts:WtTech:Localing_listing_tags_and_attributes. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 09:07, 15 December 2006 (EST)

 * You're talking to the wrong guy. (WT-en) Jpatokal was the one who objected so strongly to localizing. The code is there, and the instructions are on en:Project:Listings. It's no longer a technical issue -- it's a community question, and apparently a cross-language community question. My opinion is on the shared: page. --(WT-en) Evan 09:13, 15 December 2006 (EST)

Re: Two things
'lo Evan, thanks for moving it, that was exactly what I intended. I'll translate it to english whenever I have some time available...

And yeah, I know about the portuguese version - I'm working on a few translations that hopefully soon will be done!

Cheers

(WT-en) Mattalves 19:33, 12 December 2006 (EST)

December 2006 discussions
I tried to add this section (without this line) to Wikivoyage_talk:Phone_numbers, but kept getting "spam blocked".

==December 2006 discussions==

See recent discussion at Tech: Automatic area codes in listings and on its talk page. Note also the hCard microformat, which allows for telephone number mark-up. (WT-en) Andy Mabbett 18:08, 13 December 2006 (EST)

 * That is to say, "how should I proceed?". (WT-en) Andy Mabbett 09:45, 15 December 2006 (EST)

 * I fixed the spam filter problem, and I've copied the above text to the page you wanted. --(WT-en) Evan 11:47, 15 December 2006 (EST)

 * Many thanks. (WT-en) Andy Mabbett 11:51, 15 December 2006 (EST)

Today's log
If I want to add a similar "Today's log" to DE do I need to do anything more than create MediaWiki:Portal and MediaWiki:Portal-url, then add that MediaWiki:Sidebar?

 * Nope, that should do it. It should point to "Special:Todayslog" or "Spezial:Todayslog". --(WT-en) Evan 12:32, 14 December 2006 (EST)

Cities and towns
I believe the distinction User:(WT-en) Paul. was trying to make was that Anglicism whereby the word "city" denotes not the size of a settelment, but its legal status -- a city is a town with a royal charter. Hence Wells is a city even though it has only 10K citizens. Our use of the header "Cities" often seems to hurt the brains of our English contributors. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:05, 14 December 2006 (EST)

 * I had no idea! Well, that is a very different kettle of fish... hmmm... North Americans use "city" for things that aren't really big ol' cities ("city hall", "city limits", "you have to get a permit from the city"). In any event, maybe we should discuss further on Project:Region article template. --(WT-en) Evan 20:11, 14 December 2006 (EST)

 * It doesn't hurt our brains; it's just wrong! (WT-en) Andy Mabbett 09:49, 15 December 2006 (EST)

Ah, I was just about to respond here but I see I've been beaten to the punch. Colin pretty much covered it, but I do think it's useful to distinguish between the three in the case of the UK at least as there is a clear dividing line between cities, towns and villages. It's not a matter of controversy as cities, towns and villages all have different status and are clearly defined. That being said I agree that the "Cities, towns and villages" header is clumsy, but I just wanted to see if you'd be amenable to keeping the "cities" header but allowing for sub-headers, at least in the case of the UK. If you want to keep the discussion on Project:Region article template then I can move this over, but figured it worth posting here first to see if you had strenuous objections. --(WT-en) Paul. 17:40, 17 December 2006 (EST)

Starting new guides
Evan help my travel guides? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 74.69.245.148 (talk • contribs)

 * I and other users have asked you to please follow our rules when making new guides; see User talk:74.69.245.148. If you can't do that, I don't know what I can do to help you. --(WT-en) Evan 13:57, 17 December 2006 (EST)

Few things

 * Did you see Jani's concerns, rather hatred, toward localizing listing tags and attributes?
 * Who or what is Alexa?
 * I'm not sure if you saw this on DE, but if you could install the recent changes patrol feature on DE that would be awesome. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 21:25, 17 December 2006 (EST)

 * I hadn't seen it, I've responded.
 * Alexa is a little toolbar that people put in their browsers to get information about the sites they're looking at. As a side-benefit (sort of), alexa.com keeps track of all the sites people go to, and ranks sites by popularity. It's become the default way to measure relative popularity of a site for people who can't afford fancy reports like Comscore. You can see Wikivoyage's stats at http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=wikivoyage.org/ . You can have fun comparing us to fodors.com, frommers.com, concierge.com, timeout.com, roughguides.com, letsgo.com, or lonelyplanet.com. I mentioned that Wikivoyage is currently the #2 travel guide after LP; for other travel resources, tripadvisor.com, virtualtourist.com and travelzoo.com continue to beat us out. However, I don't consider them true "travel guides" in the same way LP or Rough Guides are.
 * OK, will do in a few minutes. --(WT-en) Evan 21:37, 17 December 2006 (EST)

Wikivoyagers in Montréal
Thanks for the kind invite for some poutine in Montréal. Unfortunately my travel dates are now fixed, and I'm only in town from 28 December until the morning of 3 January, when I catch the Adirondack train en route to Chicago. Thanks for the kind offer, I'll be heading to La Banquise or maybe Frites Alors the very moment I get in from the airport :) --(WT-en) James 22:11, 20 December 2006 (GMT)

 * Enjoy, and please keep us in mind if you're in town again. --(WT-en) Evan 17:43, 20 December 2006 (EST)

Help
Would you please blank my user page? I want to see the "Edit Conflict" page when it's displayed. Thanks. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 23:18, 22 December 2006 (EST)

eo
Apparently, our friends that helped you get eo off the ground haven't been around for a while and spammers have taken over. Since you have sysop status you may want to go and delete a few articles. I've updated the spam filter, but of course that won't stop everything. Since recent changes only keeps a partial history of the recent changes I can't tell just how much damage the spammers have done, but I do know you want to delete. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 05:05, 23 December 2006 (EST)

Birthday cake
Yup, you pegged it. Thanks for the virtual cake -- maybe not as tasty as the real kind, but with the advantage of imparting only virtual calories! :-) -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:18, 24 December 2006 (EST)

RE: Border towns
Hey Evan, Sapphire pointed out your comment to me about border towns after I just created the article, I posted a reply over there :)  (WT-en) Cacahuate 03:32, 25 December 2006 (EST)

Images/copyleft
Greetings - I recently downloaded an image from World66. Could you confirm that that is ok according to Wikivoyage copyleft policy. If not, I'll delete it, but if it is acceptable, then maybe I'll seek out others. Thanks a lot. (WT-en) WindHorse 11:05, 25 December 2006 (EST)

 * It should be fine. Just make sure you get the attribution, and if you include a link to the original image page on W66, that's great. --(WT-en) Evan 12:53, 25 December 2006 (EST)

email
I sent you an email and if a word or two doesn't make sense that's because I think I may have hit "change" on the spell check one or two times too many. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 22:34, 26 December 2006 (EST)

Discussion about wikivoyage
Did You see the mail on Your de:Benutzer Diskussion:(WV-de) Evan? --(WT-en) Flip666 07:48, 29 December 2006 (EST)

 * Yes, I did see it, thanks! --(WT-en) Evan 13:48, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Wiki for paper publications
I am enjoying making contributions to wikivoyage. I have a file of climate information my colleagues and I have been working on for a couple of years now. I would like to contribute it over the next few months. I am inerested in starting a wiki myself: one so that writers of critical essays and articles on theatre and interdisciplinary arts can contibute and share their work. Is it ieasy to set up a wiki? Where does one go for software information and server requirements?

I on't know if I am using this user talk thing right. It didn't put my username on the posting-- It is Stephen Atkins

 * So, lemme see if I can answer these in order. First, I am enjoying your contributions to Wikivoyage -- they're greatly appreciated. Second, for climate, I wonder if you've seen Template:ClimateCelsius and Template:ClimateFarenheit? Maybe you could coordinate with [[User:(WT-en) Sapphire.

 * On starting a wiki: I think that the wikibook on starting a wiki is a very good treatment. It's not hard starting a wiki -- what's hard is sticking with it, helping people who find your wiki, keeping your mind open to good ideas, and communicating your vision to those who may not get it at first. You may also enjoy reading about wikis at MeatballWiki, a great site about communities and wikis.

 * Lastly, to sign your name on talk pages, use four tildes ( ~ ). Project:using talk pages has some more info. --(WT-en) Evan 00:14, 3 January 2007 (EST)

 * Thank you. I'll look into the sources you've provided.(WT-en) Stephen Atkins 10:50, 3 January 2007 (EST)

==Help Evan or X

i need help cleaning up and adding more.

Edit stats
If you would I'd appreciate it. I'm interested in seeing the past couple of years worth of edits stats for DE. I could have sworn that I came across a link to a page like that earlier this year, but for the life of me can't find one now. How far back can you go? -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 01:30, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Talk
I have to head out for a little bit. Will you be available around 11:30 (EST)? -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 07:17, 8 January 2007 (EST)

 * Yep, no problem. --(WT-en) Evan 10:21, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Photos
Hi Evan. I am incredibly impressed with this project, and equally impressed with your direct involvement (You've solved a couple of my probs personally, and i've only been doing this a couple of days). I have many photos which seem appropriate for some of the items that are discussed. Where and when do you want photos? WHen is it appropriate to complement an article with a photo, and what sort of photos are appropriate (Size?). Thanks (WT-en) Guavafruit

 * Wow! Thanks. We have an Project:image policy that outlines the how and when to use images; it's a little dated and probably overly strict, but most of the principles still hold and if you stay within 2x-3x the rules-of-thumb it should be fine. To upload, you should use our shared server, which allows including images in any of our other language versions, too. --(WT-en) Evan 23:40, 10 January 2007 (EST)

re: Recent changes patrol
Although our number of daily edits is still quite manageable by our small team, I think it would be cool if you enabled that feature on pt too. -- (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 20:31, 11 January 2007 (EST)

Allo
Hi,

I would prefer not to post to Project:Attraction listings. I don't really want to get involved with the technical aspects of wikivoyage (I have enough of that at work). I am however rather enjoying making updates, as I have to remember places I have visited before and learn some new things about my country (I must have driven through Cradock 20 times in the last 5 years, but never know about the egg rock or tuishuise)

As for the way I was using the Project:Listings: I'm not at all happy with it either, but thought that I would leave them there and think about it for a short while. You are right, they need to be changed.

What I really wanted to do was , i.e.   but unfortunately that resolves to non-existing http://en.wikivoyage.org/w/Skydiving rather than http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Skydiving

I'll back out the changes, I think there is only two in addition to the one you already changed.

 * OK, there was quite a bit more than just two, but I think I got them all sorted now (WT-en) NJR_ZA 10:54, 13 January 2007 (EST)

Is Xroads ready for plugging?
Somebody is asking about xreferencing blogs with WT pages, over on Talk:Paris. -- (WT-en) NJR_ZA 10:54, 13 January 2007 (EST)

Esparanto
The esparanto wiki seems to get bombarded with spam on a particular page. Since the page is not even in the normal namespace, perhaps it should be added to robots.txt to at least make the spam ineffective. -- (WT-en) NJR_ZA 10:54, 13 January 2007 (EST)

 * See also User talk:(WT-en) Evan. -- (WT-en) NJR_ZA 10:54, 13 January 2007 (EST)

German classes
Hey,

I have several RSS feeds for English language news services and German language news services. The German language RSS feeds have helped me relearn a few things that I've forgotten about German. The sites that I use are Welt and Frankfurter Allgemeine, both of which are popular newspapers in Germany. Der Spiegel is a Newsweek type of magazine so it's not very easy to comprehend everything printed in there, but if you want to challenge yourself it'll help. The only problem it poses for people beginning to learn German is that it's written in "written German" (Well, duh.). The problem with that is that verbs take a different form than spoken German and that can be very confusing. Also, this website is priceless with providing accurate instant translations for individual words and useful phrases. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 17:37, 14 January 2007 (EST)

Hast es immer noch nicht gelernt. Du solltest vielleicht lieber bei Micky Maus anfangen. Oder? Nein, das waer immer zu schwer fuer dich. Fang lieber bei Mausi an¬!!!!!!!!

Der Spiegel ist fuer Fortgeschrittene eine gut Hilfe, aber bei deinem armseligen Deutsch ist das wohl eine, nein zehn Stufen zu viel.

LOL

"user created account for..."
what does it mean in the new user creation log when it says

 * 23:34, 16 January 2007 JHONNY (Talk | contribs) created account for User:JHONNY .D (Talk | contribs | block)
 * 23:32, 16 January 2007 JHONNY (Talk | contribs) New user

??? (WT-en) Cacahuate 06:16, 19 January 2007 (EST)

 * I don't know. It's a mystery to me, too. --(WT-en) Evan 06:54, 19 January 2007 (EST)

 * Weird, I've seen it occasionally, maybe every 100 users or so... hmmm... (WT-en) Cacahuate 07:00, 19 January 2007 (EST)

IB tag line
I edited the template on DE to include a  so to seperate the copyright portion from the tag line. There doesn't seem to be any adverse effects. Also, Phil has suggested that it shouldn't be translated because the German equivalent sounds strange. Thanks for the help. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 17:26, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Hu.Wikivoyage
Dear Evan! Nowadays hungarian wikivoyage is very slow. Could you do something? Thanks! (WT-hu) Dorgan 08:01, 20 January 2007 (EST)

 * Looks like a problem with the Sidebar. I think it's fixed now! --(WT-en) Evan 12:43, 20 January 2007 (EST)

Thank you, now it's working. (WT-en) Dorgan 18:37, 20 January 2007 (EST)

User:(WT-en) Cacahuate to admin status?
I think this guy is slightly overdue in being converted to admin status! He's not on the list yet! -- (WT-en) Tim 09:34, 21 January 2007 (EST)

193.120.72.209
Hey there, just a quick question since you're online... what's with all of the hotel websites that his person is adding that all end in ?r=947 like http://www.themerchanthotel.com/?r=947 - is this something fishy... like maybe getting a referral credit or something? (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 11:47, 22 January 2007 (EST)

 * That's what I assume. The links work fine without the extra code, so I don't see a reason to leave them in. Our external links guideline suggests using the shortest, clearest working link. --(WT-en) Evan 11:51, 22 January 2007 (EST)

Difference between IsIn and IsPartOf ?
I see you have changed Western Cape. Other than the entry for IsPartOf not needing to be encoded, is there any other difference?

 * Nope, that's the only difference. --(WT-en) Evan 15:53, 22 January 2007 (EST)

As requested
Evan, as you so kindly mentioned on Swedish Wikivoyage Report for 23 December 2006, you asked which bug reports I thought should be prioritised. I have two "top issues" where I would like your assistance; Tech:HasDocent template - translation, etc and Tech:IsIn problem on sv:. I have updated them with as much information as I can, but if there is anything you need me to clarify, please let me know. I have asked a fello user to check the same bugs, and he has come up with the same problem. BR, (WT-en) Riggwelter 16:04, 22 January 2007 (EST)
 * Thank you for your, as I must say, really quick reply! :-) The problem, however, is that it still does not work...the IsIn issue is not working and the guide box does still not show up (for an example of the guide issue, see Nybro). As for the IsIn issue, please have a look at Nybro, whose parent article should be Småland. The code, isin: Småland, is all there in edit mode, but in read-only mode - nothing. I have checked on three different computers on three different ISP's, but it is still not working as intended. I am sorry, but do you think you could have another look? (WT-en) Riggwelter 02:43, 23 January 2007 (EST)

wts:WtTech:Cache bug on DE
Howdy,

We're having some serious problems with the cache on de. Pages aren't displaying correctly after someone edits a page and I'd really appreciate it if you could take some time and look over the problem, which I've noted on Shared. -- 71.72.212.152 21:19, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Thanks!
Hi Evan. Thanks for welcoming me. I don't think I'll be using this too often though. Do you mind if I ask if I can upload images from commons? It doesn't work like on Wikipedia. | (WT-en) AndonicO 08:18, 25 January 2007 (EST)

Internet Brands
Hi Evan. Just wondering what the current deal with IB is... we don't seem to have heard much about the whole thing for a while! When's the merger with World66 going to happen? Just curious really - if you can't tell us, then I guess that's okay, but it would be nice to know! (WT-en) Tim 15:41, 25 January 2007 (EST)

 * It's something we're still trying to figure out. The first stage of integration is that we're developing features around personal opinion and person experience -- reviews, blogs, photo sharing, forums, etc. We're going to combine the two guides at some point, but it's not clear when. Right now, most of my time is spent sysadmining the Wikivoyage boxes and working on new software. --(WT-en) Evan 20:07, 25 January 2007 (EST)

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User talk:EvanProdromou/Jul 2004

Hi Evan,

My name is Corinne Smith, and I'm a journalist with CBC Radio in Montreal. I'd like to talk to you about arranging a radio interview to talk about the Wikivoyage website. How can I reach you the old-fashioned way (by phone)?

Corinne Smith CBC Radio Montreal, QC (514) 597-4471 corinne_smith@cbc.ca

Neat
I'll try and contact you. I'm travelling right now! --(WT-en) Evan 17:21, 14 Jul 2004 (EDT)

List Whitespace
A recent change was made to one of the style sheets (Cologne Blue) to make vertical lists format the same regardless of whether the typed-in text has an an extra newline or not. Could that same change be made to the Standard style sheet which I use? It's annoying to see vertical lists inconsistently formatted. Thanks -- (WT-en) Colin 15:47, 17 Jul 2004 (EDT)

Script
Evan, you need to run the Pages with Self Links script again. There's a lot and they are wrong. Also, Dead-end pages shows a lot of subpages which have a 'link' at the top. Are these really Dead-end? Once the vfd stuff is deleted, the Dead-end pages will be pretty much back to where they were before the DB crashed. --(WT-en) Nzpcmad 04:21, 17 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * I'll try and fix that bug in the "Dead-end pages" functionality. AFAICT, there seem to be quite a few of the "Pages with Self Links" that actually are pages with self links. Can you be more specific? --(WT-en) Evan 20:22, 18 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * Ah, I see. The self-link actually displays in bold not in the usual underline. I'll go through and start fixing them up. Also, there are a number of "dead-end" pages that are simply REDIRECTS and shouldn't be dead-end. Can you fix those as well? --(WT-en) Nzpcmad 20:49, 18 Jul 2004 (EDT)

Thumbs
Please take a look at the link I added to Project:Feature_requests. (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:03, 26 Jul 2004 (EDT)

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User talk:EvanProdromou/Jul 2006

See also User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Archives

See Talk:Jau National Park for discussion of Jau National Park.

Cycle touring in General
(WT-en) Textbot 02:03, 23 July 2006 (EDT) I am responding to yr " Cycling in Spain" stub. I have no info for Spain, but I am interested in cycle touring in general, and I wonder how to link the considerable info I DO have, into WT ; while being concious that Cycling is a *minority* interest of no use to most WT users ! As an example, I have linked my "Cycling in Indonesia" to WT's "Bali". I have also linnked to a friend's ifo for "Yunnan", and Have "Iceland" too. But I understand the philosophical idea that WT should contain the info, rather than link to it ...any help most appreciated.

DE main page?
Would you scroll down on the DE main page to the bottom? Is there a reason why a picture of cake is on the bottom? -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 08:02, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

 * At least in Firefox, the cake appears inside the Logbuch section. It's right next to a logbook entry that says, "7. Oktober 2005: Happy Birthday, Wikivoyage! Die deutschsprachige Wikivoyage-Ausgabe wird 1 Jahr alt. " I think that means something like: "Happy Birthday, Wikivoyage! The de: Wikivoyage version is one year old."

 * I guess that the layout is messing with your IE7 again. Can you send me a screenshot? --(WT-en) Evan 11:42, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Here is a screen shot with the cake in it and another without the cake. The latter image shows the October 7th date in the log book without the clip art image. The first screen shot shows the cake, but you are unable to see any other part of the main page. Notice the scroll bar, because it indicates the main page is rather long. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 19:15, 3 July 2006 (EDT)

Time (it)
The problem of the +2 hours is not a user-settings-related problem, because when the user is logged in, the time is OK. The problem is when the user is not logged in. An exemple:

Now it's 11:32. When I log in, allright: 11:32. If I log out, I see 13:32. This happens, for exemple, in the "recent changes" page. (WT-en) Dennis 05:33, 3 July 2006 (EDT)

 * It functions now, but, in the edit pages (only in those pages), i get this error (php error):

Warning: date [function.date]: It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. Please use the date.timezone setting, the TZ environment variable or the date_default_timezone_set function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We had to select 'UTC' because your platform doesn't provide functionality for the guessing algorithm in /var/www/wikivoyage/mw/includes/Parser.php on line 3411

Warning: date [function.date]: It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. Please use the date.timezone setting, the TZ environment variable or the date_default_timezone_set function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We had to select 'UTC' because your platform doesn't provide functionality for the guessing algorithm in /var/www/wikivoyage/mw/includes/Parser.php on line 3412

(WT-en) Dennis 11:31, 4 July 2006 (EDT)

 * UPDATE: The problem was not in the "edit" pages, but in the "preview" pages, and it is still there. (WT-en) Dennis 14:10, 6 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Really? I'm not seeing it now. Can you check again? --(WT-en) Evan 14:55, 6 July 2006 (EDT)

MediaWiki:NewArticletext
Seffen M requested that the nifty new page MediaWiki template be used on DE. I've copied and pasted the DE templates into Vorgabe:? so they'll be easy to find and then rewrote the En text so it can be used on DE. Can you add that MediaWiki template to DE? -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 19:21, 3 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Oops. See my (WT-en) Sandbox#Tinker space for the potential DE text. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 19:22, 3 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I'd actually like someone to go over the text to make sure the translation is right. I couldn't find my thesaurus or DE dictionary so I used an internet translator. The links, however, are all correct. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 19:34, 3 July 2006 (EDT)

 * ...almost! You had "en" instead of "de", but I corrected it. You can see the new article at de:MediaWiki:Newarticletext. Let me know if it needs corrections. Steffen can fix it too, by the way. --(WT-en) Evan 19:55, 3 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Oops. Thanks for catching that. If there's a problem with it hopefully someone will tell you or me and we can fix the translation. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 11:34, 4 July 2006 (EDT)

PL Administrator
Since JanSlupski hasn't been active on PL for going on three months would you have any issue with pl:Osoba:Adam Dziura being nominated by myself? It would be great to have an administrator whose fairly active and can speak Polish. Also, since he did translate a lot of the MediaWiki templates for you I think he's proven himself dedicated. Are there any issues you thought would hinder his ability to work fairly and in accordance with Wikivoyage policies? See pl:Project:Administratorzy -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 03:32, 5 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Just a reminder in case this get lost somewhere on your calendar. pl:Osoba:Adam_Dziura's admin nomination should pass either tomorrow or on Thursday. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire)
 * Thanks, that's a good point! --(WT-en) Evan 08:58, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

Trademark "Wikivoyage"
I'd like to know whether "Wikivoyage" is registered as trademark or just an unregistered one. For what countries is it a (registered) trademark? Do you know http://www.wikivoyage.it ? -- (WT-en) Hansm 07:12, 5 July 2006 (EDT)

 * I think the trademark registration is happening right now, and it's supposed to be international. Thanks for the pointer to .it; I've forwarded it to IB's lawyers. --(WT-en) Evan 08:34, 5 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Weirdly, the wikivoyage.it site doesn't seem to be using any of our content though. They also don't much believe in the CC license: "©2006 Wikivoyage. E' vietata la riproduzione anche parziale".  Then again, it's kind of them to hand over the copyright to Internet Brands like that ;) (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:19, 5 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Thanks for the info. -- (WT-en) Hansm 11:49, 5 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Don't forget to AssumeGoodFaith assume good faith. It appears that this domain owner is just a bit confused. I hope the lawyers are capable of being somewhat gentile with them.  -- (WT-en) Mark 00:48, 6 July 2006 (EDT)

 * I think there is nothing to do for that website. Wikivoyage (this one) has not a domain for every language, sothat that must be consideret a totally different website. It's like www.wikipedia.it and many other exemples. (WT-en) Dennis 11:59, 6 July 2006 (EDT)

 * There's a good chance that people who see www.wikivoyage.it will be confused by the domain name and title and think that they're reading Wikivoyage. That's not fair to readers or contributors. --(WT-en) Evan 12:09, 6 July 2006 (EDT)

XML-Dump
Just an organisatorical question: If I would ask for it right now, how much time would IB need to make an up to date XLM-dump of de: available? I would need all articles from the namespaces "Main", "Talk", "Wikivoyage", "Wikivoyage Talk", "Image", "Image Talk", "Template" and "Template Talk" with their full history. I also would need all image files in full resolution that affect de:, i.e. all from de: and those from shared: that are used on de:. And than, of course, the corresponding "Image" and "Image Talk" dumps of shared:. --- What would be the delay between making the dumps and their availability? -- (WT-en) Hansm 11:19, 6 July 2006 (EDT)

 * You should read Project:How to re-distribute Wikivoyage content, and send an email with your request to xml-data-request@wikivoyage.org. --(WT-en) Evan 11:42, 6 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Thanks. There was no new information on your link. I have sent a mail with my question. -- (WT-en) Hansm 12:08, 6 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Great. I'll try to send you an answer shortly. --(WT-en) Evan 12:09, 6 July 2006 (EDT)

Thanks
Thank you for your acknowledgements. You know, I try as hard I can to expand the Italian Wikivoyage with the purpose of defending the worldwide reputation of my small country. In fact I find more enjoyable to contribute articles in the English Wikivoyage but it is still a hard task for me while translating from English is easiest. Bye! (WT-en) Gobbler 10:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT) ''P.S. Prodromou... Do you speak Greek? Μιλάω και γράφω Ελληνικά''
 * Let me know if you are planning a visit in Rome. In many ways Rome is an awful city but keep in mind Paola B&B for cheap & enjoyable staying.

 * Oxi, eimai ellyno-amerikanos, den mboro na milao toso kala. O pappous mou einai ellynikos... I wish I had better Greek skills. I backpacked around Crete a while ago, and my Greek got pretty good, but not any more.

 * I'm very excited about the way the Italian Wikivoyage is shaping up. I think your small country's reputation is doing pretty well... not just here, but also in the World Cup! B-) I would love to visit Roma, as I've only been once in my life, and then only for a few hours (embarassing...). Unfortunately, most of my travel time these days is for Wikivoyage business and conferences. I'll be at Wikisym 2006 in Odense, but I don't think we'll get a chance to get down to Rome this time. Maybe I can convince (WT-en) my social director to let us go to Italy soon... --(WT-en) Evan 11:54, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

nl-0
The "nl-0" is intended to warn people that, despite my Dutch name, I'm pretty much useless with the language. I grew up surrounded by fellow third/fourth-generation Fries/Hollander immigrants with surnames like "Huizenga" and "Groendijk", so I know how to pronounce Dutch words pretty well, but aside from obvious cognates, their meaning escapes me, and I couldn't craft a coherent sentence to save my life. Sorry. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 15:56, 10 July 2006 (EDT)

 * That's what I figured. Dang! B-) --(WT-en) Evan 17:12, 10 July 2006 (EDT)

Hi
Hello, Evan. Thanks for the warm welcome. The trip to Turkey and Europe was great, in spite of two heatwaves that caught us - I wouldn't say that visiting Naples under 34 degrees (celsius) is a very good idea, but well, we did it afterall! Now I'm catching up with my work and personal life, and I hope to be able to spend more time on Wikivoyage and issues concerning the language versions soon. Cheers, (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 13:03, 13 July 2006 (EDT)

It: Admin
Hi Evan, here is DaniloP. Please make User "Broc" admin for the italian Wikivoyage. Not many did vote, but I think he can be the right person and he gained 2 votes. Here the votation: http://it.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Nominations_amministratore. 201.249.151.195 09:53, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Actually the 14 days for the votation will be over only the 18 july.... so maybe you want to wait until that day, even if i wrote in the it:bar that the votation was over today (mistake) (DaniloP)

 * OK, I marked it in my calendar. I nominated Gobbler, too. I think he's doing a great job. --(WT-en) Evan 10:14, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

 * OK, it's done. --(WT-en) Evan 08:59, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

Hello, thanks for your information
Hello Evan, thanks for your welcome and for info you provided on links. I've seen several different linking styles used here so it is good to review the official policy. I appreciate all you've done to make this site a great place. Regarding the United States article, I think there is a lot that could be done to improve and shorten it, but I'll wait a while before making changes to see how others feel. In the meantime there are so many other worthy articles to work on here! (WT-en) SONORAMA 11:28, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Great, good idea. You may also want to look at our Article templates, which give an idea of how we want articles laid out and what kind of information to add. --(WT-en) Evan 11:29, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

DE MediaWiki:Newarticletext
For whatever reason the de:MediaWiki:Newarticletext template is not automagically appearing when someone attempts to create a new article. I tried to clear the cache several times to no avail. Could you fix this? Thanks! -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 18:19, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Actually, I was using English as my language when operating on DE. When I changed my language preference back to German the MediaWiki template was included on the page.  Would it be possible to work around so a German MediaWiki template can be seen by all users regardless of which language they have selected under his/her preferences? -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 18:24, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Eh... I'm not sure. I mean, isn't the whole point of letting you choose your own language settings that you get different messages than the people who use different language settings? I'm just not sure if what you're asking for makes sense. --(WT-en) Evan 19:51, 16 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Oh. I was thought the only difference was the nav bar and tool box being in English. I switched back to the German version, anyway. I figured I'd still get to see MediaWiki template, but it's probably not a very important problem, anyway since I don't suspect that many English users use DE. -- Sapphire

Tawkerbot
Hi Evan - I left a comment on your talk page earlier about this issue, but given the latest example of User talk:(WT-en) TVerBeek do you have any thoughts about getting Wikipedia's Tawkerbot running here? I don't think it would hurt in any way, and it might allow us to avoid losing contributions. My earlier comments on the issue are below:

 * Hi Evan - here's a link to the Wikipedia bot we were talking about today: WikiPedia:User:Tawkerbot2. The vandalism reversions it makes seem to be remarkably accurate and include everything from the "Bob is gay" edits to page blanking (see WikiPedia:Special:Contributions/Tawkerbot2).  It also leaves a note on the user page for an author whose change was reverted, and will not revert a change twice when in "calm" mode, which is the default - there is also an "angry" mode.  They have a WikiPedia:User:Tawkerbot2/requests page for getting it to run on Wikis other than Wikipedia.  I know Maj had some reservations, so maybe the two of you can consider it, and if you think it might be worthwhile you could then open the discussion to the wider Wikivoyage audience in either the Project:Travelers' pub or Project:Feature requests.

-- (WT-en) Ryan 16:26, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Yes, I remembered and it completely fell off my radar. I think it sounds like a good idea. I think probably we should post it on Project:Script nominations and run it through the proper channels. Sound good? --(WT-en) Evan 16:33, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Sounds great - I'll put it up there now. -- (WT-en) Ryan 17:37, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Hi Evan - regarding the question posted on Project:Script_nominations, do we have an IRC recent changes feed? I'm not aware of one, nor did I realize that was a Mediawiki feature.  If we don't I can withdraw the Tawkerbot nomination, I just figured if it was easy to implement then it would be nice to have running here. -- (WT-en) Ryan 15:42, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

 * I can set up an RC feed if we need one. --(WT-en) Evan 15:55, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

10k and Wikimania
Did you guys nail down a location for the party? That will be held on the 4th, right? -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 22:52, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

 * It's on the 4th, I'm trying to nail down a location. --(WT-en) Evan 22:56, 25 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I'll be getting into Boston on August 3rd around 5PM. Should I give you a call on one the 3rd or 4th?  Also, when will you be speaking?  -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 07:13, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

Exporting
I want to export close to 50 pages (if not more) and then import them into DE is there an easier way to do this other than copying and pasting? I've tested the export feature, but what type of file am I supposed to save the pages under before importing pages? -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 21:44, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

 * I think the exports are XML. I'll be honest -- I've never exported-and-imported an article for Wikivoyage. I'd be really careful if I were you, though... exporting takes the entire history of the article, too. If it's just 50 articles, do you want to just make a list of them on a user sub-page, and I can help you copy them over by hand? --(WT-en) Evan 21:46, 26 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Sure, that works. If you want to help I'm going to take from User:(WT-en) Cjensen/project/hotelmaker and move it to the respective sub-pages listed onde:Benutzer:(WT-de) Sapphire/project/hotelmaker.  I'm hoping to make it easier for DE contributors to find sleep listings when working on American destinations. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 21:58, 26 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Errr, sorry to jump in on this-- but isn't that kinda the goal of the auto translation project? I've had a hard time selling it to the other languages, so I've been focusing on bring content into the English version as a start, but having easy acess to listing information is just the kinda thing I think it would be great for... Maybe we can talk about how to work together on this? (WT-en) Maj 10:45, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Log in & tool bar
Hi Evan I had in the last days some trouble because wikivoyage kicked me out as soon as I was loged in. This is today much better but now the toolbar in the top (my talk...) are right in the wikivoyage logo. It's not my computer and clearing the cache doesn't help. Are you working in the infrastructure? (WT-en) Jan 11:11, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

 * There was a problem on Monday with starting PHP sessions that got fixed; see Project:Bug reports for that.

 * I did a minor upgrade from MediaWiki 1.6.6 to MediaWiki 1.6.8 last night, see Project:27 July 2006 for details. It doesn't seem to require changes to the stylesheet or skin, though, so I'm surprised to hear about your problem. Which browser is it? IE7? Also, have you done a force-reload (Ctrl+Reload or Shift+Reload)? --(WT-en) Evan 11:22, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

 * The problem with the toolbar is still on today. I refreshed my side, cleaned cache etc. But already when i login the toolbar starts now on theleft side in the wikivoyage logo and the log out button is just above the history button. I used IE6 or Mozilla. (WT-en) Jan 05:06, 28 July 2006
 * I had the same problem with IE 6, but once I got IE 7 it went away, but I have horrible problems with review:Main Page. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 05:13, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Spam filter for Shared
Any way you could set up the spam filter on Shared and get the spam black/white lists up? -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 01:38, 29 July 2006 (EDT)

OpenID
...works now. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:57, 29 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Excellent. --(WT-en) Evan 00:09, 30 July 2006 (EDT)

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