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Talk:Lampang/Listings

Amphoe Mueang Lampang
Lampang is the only province in Thailand still retaining horse-drawn carriages as a means of transport within city limit. Visitors can hire such vehicles to tour places such as markets, traditional houses along the river bank and the numerous temples in town. The centuries-old Wat Phra Kaeo Don Tao (วัดพระแ��้วดอนเต้า) on Phra Kaeo Road used to be the place where the Emerald Buddha was once enshrined (the same statue now installed in Bangkok). Interesting structures include the large Chedi containing the hair of the Lord Buddha, a Burmese-style Mondop, an ancient Viharn housing a reclining Buddha and a museum exhibiting ancient relics of the Lanna era. To the west of town is Wat Si Rong Mueang (วัดศรีรองเมือง), a Burmese temple built in 1905 during the time when Lampang was the commercial and forestry centre. Major architectural works include the Viharn made of wood with several overlapping gables in the Burmese style. It is a temple with elaborate carving decorations and plaster designs adorned with colored glass fashioned with delicate craftsmanship. Built during the reign of King Rama IV by Burmese, Wat Pa Fang (วัดป่าฝาง) is located on Sanam Bin Road. It has a large, glittering gold Chedi containing a Holy Relic brought over from Myanmar around 1906. The extensive Sala Kan Parian (preaching hall) is made entirely of wood with Burmese-style overlapping roofs. A small Ubosot has Burmese-style woodwork over its roof with beautiful plaster designs over its doors. Usually there are a considerable number of Burmese monks in residence. Almost across Wat Pa Fang is Wat Chai Mongkhon (วัดไชยมงคล). The outstanding structure is the Kuti, monk's living quarters, which is a white cement building with Burmese-style wooden roof. Its columns are adorned with coils of golden wires in elaborate designs and colored glasses. The blinds and corridors are made of elaborately-fashioned perforated wooden sheet. Inside is housed a bronze Buddha statue of fine workmanship cast in Mandalay, Myanmar. About 5 kilometres from town on the Lampang-Chae Hom road is Wat Chedi Sao Lang (วัดเจดีย์ซาวหลัง). Cooled and shaded by large trees, the temple has twenty Chedis is its compound, each made in the combined Lanna-Burmese style. A Chiang Saen-style bronze Buddha statue is also enshrined here, commonly referred to as "Phra Chao Than Chai" by the local people. The door panels of the Ubosot are of ancient vintage with elaborate design. Located on the Lampang-Ngao Road about five kilometres from town with a right turn at Km. 605 marker is Wat Phra That Mon Phaya Chae (วัดพระธาตุม่อนพระยาแช่). As it is situated on a hillside, it affords a clear view of Lampang. Its most outstanding feature is the long stair leading to the Chedi enshrining a Holy Relic. Wat Phra That Sadet (วัดพระธาตุเสด็จ) can be reached by taking the Lampang-Ngao Road. After 17 kilometres, take a left turn and continue on for another 2 kilometres. One of Lampang's major sites, it is believed to have been built by Queen Chamthevi some 500 years ago. To reach the Kiu Lom Dam (เขื่อนกิ่วลม), take the Lampang-Ngao road and turn left at km. 623-624 marker, which is about 38 kilometres from town. Then continue for a further 14 kilometres. Constructed for irrigation purpose, it has a scenic reservoir suitable for boating or rafting. At least a half-day tour is suggested. Visitors may opt for overnighting on raft. Places to see include cliffs, isles and fishing village. For more information, call 0 5433 4393, 0 5422 3772.

Thanon Talat Kao or Thanon Talat Chin or Thanon Khon Doen “Kat Kongta” (ถนนตลาดเก่า หรือ ถนนตลาดจีน หรือ ถนนคนเดิน “กาดกองต้า”) is a market next to the pier. In the past, it was a prosperous market. Since the reign of King Rama V, there were various communities arriving for business purposes such as the British, Burmese and Chinese. The latter has become the largest in number coming for trading purpose and establishing a gigantic community. Therefore, the locals called Kat Kongta as the “Talat Chin”- Chinese Market. The buildings on both sides of the river bank have a combination of European, Chinese and Burmese architectural styles. There are various styles of beautiful houses. Thanon Khon Doen - the Walking Street - starts from the foot of the Ratsadaphisek Bridge to the Fong Li building. From the evening of Saturday and Sunday until approximately 10.00 p.m., Thanon Khon Doen, “Kat Kongta” presents a local lifestyle of the Kat Kongta community. It is a cultural trace to the past. The locals will set up stalls offering articles, clothes, arts and various kinds of local food to be tasted such as Nam Ngiao, Namphrik Ong, Naem, as well as, local and contemporary musical concerts.

Amphoe Ko Kha
Some 20 kilometres to the southwest of town in Ko Kha district is Wat Phra That Lampang Luang (วัดพระธาตุลำปางหลวง), a paradigm of temple building of Lanna. The temple itself is prominently sited on a hillock surrounded by wall. The entrance arches, called Pratu Khong (ประตูโขง), is adorned with fine plaster designs. The wall-less main Viharn houses a bronze Buddha statue called the Phra Chao Lan Thong (พระเจ้าล้านทอง). To the back is a golden Chedi in Lanna architectural style containing a Holy Relic. Also in the back is another Viharn with beautiful murals on wooden walls, said to be the oldest in the North. The temple also has a large collection of ancient wooden utensils.

Using the same route as Wat Phra That Lampang Luang but taking a left turn at the district office and continue on for 17 kilometres is Wat Phra That Chom Ping (��ัดพระธาตุจอมปิง) Mu 5, Ban Chom Ping, Tambon Na Kaeo. According to legend, it was constructed in the reign of King Tilokkarat of the Lanna Thai Kingdom. The amazing aspect of the temple is the natural-coloured reflection of the Phrathat passing through the hole of the window and appearing on the floor inside the Phra Ubosot all the time when there is light, both during the day and at night. Artefacts discovered in this area are also displayed at the temple.

Amphoe Hang Chat
Thai Elephants Conservation Centre (ศูนย์อนุรักษ์ช้างไทย) is located in the Thung Kwian forest park in Hang Chat district, about 32 kilometres from town on the route to Chiang Mai. It is the only facility in the world devoted to the raining of elephants for timber work using these pachyderms as labor. There are performances and training demonstrations. The art of making wooden elephants is also demonstrated. There are 2-3 shows daily. Visitors can enjoy feeding these intelligent giants or ride them to see the natural surroundings. The centre provides health care for the elephants. For more information, call 0 5422 8034, 0 5422 9042. The Khun Than mountain range of the Doi Khun Than National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติดอยขุนตาล) forms a natural boundary between Lamphun and Lampang provinces. The northern rail line to Chiang Mai runs through the longest rail tunnel in the country, which is 1,352 metres long and takes five minutes to traverse. The mountain has both virgin jungle and pinery. Many tourists choose to walk from the Khun Than Station up the mountain, a distance of about 7 kilometres. There are four rest areas on the way. Visitors may also camp overnight but must provide for their own food. The best time to take the trip is between November-February when the weather is fine and cool. For more information, call 0 5351 9216 or visit www.dnp.go.th

Amphoe Ngao
Chao Pho Pratu Pha Shrine (ศาลเจ้าพ่อประตูผา) is about 50 kilometres from town on the Lampang-Ngao road near Km. 650 marker. Stacks of offering can be seen around the site and the shrine is considered sacred. Road-users passing by usually honk their car horns or set off firecrackers as a sign of respect. Legend has it that Chao Pho Pratu Pha was a great warrior of the Lampang ruler. He once fought Burmese invaders to block their advance at Pratu Pha and died fighting with his two swords still in his hands and his body still leaning against the hillside. The attackers were so frightened that they withdrew. To honour the brave warrior, the people build the shrine which has since become a sacred and revered place of worship. Tham Pha Thai National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติถ้ำผาไท) is located between Mueang Lampang and Ngao districts just off the main highway at Km.665-666, some 60 kilometres from the provincial town. Cars can access right to the mouth of a cave within which are picturesque stalactite and stalagmites. There are also several smaller caverns, each with their own attractions. For more information, call 0 5422 0364 or visit www.dnp.go.th Ban Chang Luang (บ้านจ้างหลวง หรือ ศูนย์ศิลปะชุมชนเมืองงาว), at 33 Mu 9, Ban Khoi in Tambon Ban Rong near the Phao Yao-Lampang road, is a facility established by Khru Kam-aye Dejduangta (ครูคำอ้าย เดชดวงตา). It has an extensive collection of wood-carvings made by Kru Kam-aye himself and serves as a school to train those intending to become artisans and to provide occupations for the local people. For more information, call 0 5422 0380 and 0 5436 5229.

Amphoe Mueang Pan
A major place for relaxation in Lampang is the Chae Son National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติแจ้ซ้อน) which is located in Mueang Pan district area. It can be reached by taking Highway No.1035 taking a left turn at Km. 59. A further 17 kilometre is a lush forested and mountainous region with a 73 Celsius hot spring over rocky terrain, providing a misty and picturesque scene particularly in the morning. There are bathing facilities for health purpose. One kilometre away is a clear, cool brook where tourists can take a dip in water fed by the 6-level Chae Son waterfall originating from winding brooks and streams flowing through high mountains. There are accommodations and camping areas for visitors. For more information, call 0 5422 9000 or visit www.dnp.go.th

Amphoe Wang Nuea
Namtok Wang Kaeo (น้ำตกวังแก้ว) is Lampang's the largest. It can be reached by taking the Lampang - Chae Hom - Wang Nuea route for a distance of 110 kilometres. On reaching Wang Nuea district, the waterfall is a further 26 kilometre further on.

Festivals & Events
Luang Wiang Lakhon Fair (งานหลวงเวียงละคอน) is held just prior to the annual Loi Krathong event around Wat Phra Kaeo Don Tao and Wat Phra That Lampang Luang, featuring Lampang's own historical backgrounds and long-established customs and traditions. A Khrua Than procession is organized with local people dressed in native attires carrying various traditional household appliances, some of which are of ancient vintage. Khantok Chang Fair (งานขันโตกช้าง หรือ สะโตกช้าง) is organised on the first Friday-Saturday period of February each year at the Thai Elephant conservation Centre. There is an elephant show and the pachyderms are feasted with their popular fruits and vegetables which are placed on the Tok, a traditional food tray of the Lanna people.

Lampang Trains and Horse Carriages Day (งานวันรถไฟรถม้าลำปาง) is organized at the Nakhon Lampang Railway Station at the beginning of April to commemorate the first royal train that arrived to the station 1 April, 1916. In the event, there will be an exhibition and Kat Mua market, where the participants will dress up in the traditional style of costume of some 80 years ago, when the horse carriage was first used in Lampang. The carriage service is also provided in the event. Salung Luang Procession and Songkran Festival (งานแห่สลุงหลวงและสงกรานต์) is the unique Songkran festival of Lampang, organized during 12-14 April every year. On the 12 April, the Salung Luang procession will be beautifully decorated (Salung means a water bowl and Luang means large). The participants in the parade will dress up in the ancient Lanna style and carry a giant silver bowl around the city to receive lustral water soaked with turmeric and acacia from the people to be poured onto the Phra Kaeo Don Tao, the revered Buddha image of the town enshrined at Wat Phrathat Lampang Luang. Then, during 13-14 April every year, there will be a merit making ceremony at the temple, sand pagoda making, ceremony of pouring water onto the elderly, splashing of water, fairs and various forms of entertainment.

Buy
Hand-made Cotton (ผ้าทอมือ) comes in different patterns designed by different villages. Within Mueang Lampang district are several weaving mills and shops specialising in cotton materials. Wood-carving (ไม้แกะสลัก) is a major industry at Tambon Na Khrua of Mae Tha district which is about 25 kilometres from the provincial town. Most of the local people make their living by producing wooden figures of animals in various sizes. It is a cottage industry of the locality for generations.

Terra-cotta or Ceramics (เซรามิก) produced in Lampang are of the best quality in Thailand. The indigenous with clay, added by the local craftsmanship, has helped to make Lampang the centre of such products, with scores of factories and shops dealing in this beautiful craft.

The Sa Paper (กระดาษสา) is fine product made from a type of soft wood. The process is purely traditional and the major producing center is the village of Ban Nam Thong. The Sa is mainly made into parasols, lampshades, decorative flowers and other souvenir items.

Amphoe Mueang Lampang

 * Arunsak (อรุณศักดิ์) 90/9 Bunyawat Road (Tel: 0 5421 7344, 0 5421 7532), 50 rooms: 120-200 baht
 * Asia Lampang (เอเซีย ลำปาง) 229 Bunyawat Road (Tel: 0 5422 7844-7 Fax. 0 5422 4436), 73 rooms: 390-550 baht
 * Benjarong (เบญจรงค์) Lampang-Phrae Road (Tel: 0 5422 5544), 46 rooms: 280 baht
 * Khelang Nakhon (เขลางนคร) 719-20 Suandok Road (Tel: 0 5422 6137, 0 5422 2846-7), 75 rooms:200-360 baht
 * Kim (คิม) 168 Bunyawat Rroad (Tel: 0 5421 7588, 0 5421 7721 Fax: 0 5422 6929), 40 rooms: 350 baht
 * Kiu Lom Resort (กิ่วลม รีสอร์ท) 38 km from town, Kiu Lom Dam (Tel: 0 5421 7186), 300-2,500 baht
 * Lampang (ลำปาง) 52 Suandok Road (Tel: 0 5422 7311-13), 52 rooms: 90-220 baht
 * Lampang River Lodge (ลำปางริเวอร์ ลอดจ์) 330 Mu 11, Tambon Chomphu (Tel: 0 5421 7054 Fax: 0 2246 5679), 60 rooms: 900 baht www.riverkwaifloatel.com
 * Lampang Wiang Thong (ลำปางเวียงทอง) 138/109 Phahonyothin Road (Tel: 0 5422 5801-2 Fax: 0 5422 5803, Bangkok Tel: 0 2771 6176-8), 235 rooms: 838-2,125 baht
 * 9 Mithuna (9 มิถุนา) 285 Bunyawat Road (Tel: 0 5421 7438, 0 5422 2261), 47 rooms: 90-260 baht
 * M.R.Palace (มิสเตอร์ พาเลช) 5/2 Montri Road (Tel: 0 5422 7228 Fax: 0 5422 7228), 42 rooms: 480 baht
 * Pin Hotel (พิณ) 8 Tambon Suan Dok (Tel: 0 5422 1509, 0 5422 2884 Fax: 322286), 59 rooms: 450-900 baht
 * Romsri (ร่มศรี) 142 Boonyawat Road (Tel: 0 5421 7054), 40 rooms: 80-200 baht
 * Sakol (สากล) 139/9 Phahonyothin Road (Tel: 0 5421 7573), 40 rooms: 100-240 baht
 * Siam (สยาม) 260/26-29 Chatchai Road (Tel: 0 5421 7472, 0 5421 7277, 0 5421 7642), 82 rooms: 129-292 baht
 * Sri Sanga (ศรีสง่า) 213-215/1-2 Bunyawat Road (Tel: 0 5421 7070, 0 5421 7811), 33 rooms: 100-180 baht
 * Thipchang Lampang (ทิพย์ช้าง ลำปาง) 54/22 Takrao Noi (Tel: 0 5422 4237, 0 5422 6501-6 Fax: 0 5422 5362) 130 rooms: 700-1,500 baht
 * Thapthim Thong (ทับทิมทอง) Prasan Maitri Road (Tel: 0 5421 7142), 20 rooms: 100 baht
 * T T & T Guesthouse (ทีที แอนด์ ที เกสต์เฮาส์) 128 Pamai Rpad Wiang Nuea, (Tel. 0 5422 1303, 08 4617 8183), 11 rooms: 200-350 baht
 * Wiang Lakhon (เวียงละคร) 138/38 Phahonyothin Road (Tel: 0 5431 6430-5 Fax: 0 5431 6427), 100 rooms: 930-2,500 baht

Amphoe Mae Tha

 * Mae Tha Resort (แม่ทะ รีสอร์ท) Km.45 Chiang Mai-Lamphun Road (Tel: 01-2117712), 104 rooms: 300-1,000 baht

Amphoe Mueang Pan

 * Home Stay Ban Pamiang (โฮมสเตย์บ้านป่าเมี่ยง)  Mu 7 Tambon Chae Son Ban Pamiang, (Tel. 0 5426 0146 www.pmhomestay.th.gs), 15 houses: 120 baht

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 09:47, 4 February 2010 (EST)

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Disallowed, but useful website for research

 * BBC 'Lampeter Life' website

Ram Inn
An anonymous user has stated that the Ram Inn has now closed under "drink" but left the listing in place under "eat". Can anyone corroborate the closure?

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TAT Listings
I placed some listings of TAT at Talk:Lamphun/Listings. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:13, 4 February 2010 (EST)

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Amphoe Mueang Lamphun
Sited in mid-town, Wat Phra That Hariphunchai (วัดพระธาตุหริภุญชัย) was built during the reign of King Arthitayarat, a descendant of Queen Chamthewi some 800 years ago. A principal landmark is the 46-metre tall golden Chedi whose present appearance was the result of the restoration work in 1443 by a king of Chiang Mai. It has long been regarded as a major place of worship. Other architectural works include the ancient-style brick arch adorned with fine designs and the pair of sculptured lions at the door. There are also a square-shaped Chedi and a Khmer-style Buddha statue. Located on Inthayongyot Road almost opposite Wat Phra That Hariphunchai is the Hariphunchai National Museum (พิพิธภัณฑสถานแห่งชาติหริภุญชัย). Displays and exhibits include historical development and archaeological items found in Lamphun. These include prehistorical human skeletons and objects of arts from the Dvaravati, Hariphunchai, Lanna and Rattanakosin periods. A chamber is devoted to a collection of inscription stones in Mon and Lanna scripts. Another displays ancient utensils, Lanna indigenous arts and carvings. The museum is open Wednesday-Sunday from 9.00 a.m. to 4.00 p.m. Phra Nang Chamthewi Statue (อนุสาวรีย์พระนางจามเทวี) is located in the Nong Dok public park in town commemorating the first ruler of Hariphunchai.

In front of the Town Hall is the Suthewa Rusi Statue (อนุสาวรีย์สุเทวฤาษี). Legend has it that the Rusi, or ascetic, was the actual founder of Hariphunchai. As an ascetic refraining from worldly affairs he invited Phra Nang Chamthevi, a daughter of the King of Lopburi, to ascend the throne and helped her to firmly establish Buddhism in the land.

Wat Chamthewi or Wat Ku Kut (วัดจามเทวี หรือ วัดกู่กุด), commonly referred to a Ku Kut (กู่กุด), is located on the Lamphun-San Pa Tong Road and built in 1298 B.E. in the Lawo (Lopburi) style. The Chedi is a square structure similar to Buddhagaya in India. Around the Chedi are levels of arches holding a total of 60 Buddha statues. Ashes of the queen are enshrined within the Chedi.

On the road parallel to the old city wall to the west of town is Wat Mahawan (วัดมหาวัน), an old temple built since the times of Queen Chamthewi. Enshrined here is a Nak Prok statue (statue with mythical serphants overhead) which was brought to the temple by the Queen. Commonly known as Phra Rot Lamphun (พระรอดลำพูน), it serves as the model for the famous votive tablet.

Another ancient site related to the old history of the town is Wat Phra Yun (วัดพระยืน). The Ku Chang-Ku Mah Chedi (กู่ช้าง-กู่ม้า) at the temple is surrounded on four directions by standing statues. The Chedi itself is cylinder-shaped and commemorates Queen Chamthewi's war elephant and her son's steed. The Ban Nong Chang Khun (บ้านหนองช้างคืน) is the most famous longan growing area in the country. The orchards are located some 8 kilometres before Lamphun and with a further 7 kilometres after a right turn. On both sides of the road are numerous longan orchards. The fruits are in season during July-August. Longans were introduced to the area during the reign of King Rama V and have since spread into neighbouring provinces. There are several species today which are popular among consumers.

Amphoe Pa Sang
Pa Sang is a handicraft centre and famous for its handmade cotton materials which are produced mainly in Ban Nong Nguak. Also at this village is an ancient temple noted for its beautiful arches in indigenous Burmese-influenced style. About 7 kilometres away on the route to Li district is Wat Phra Phutthabat Tak Pha (วัดพระพุทธบาทตากผ้า). Legend has it that the Lord Buddha once stayed here, leaving a trace of likeness of monk's saffron robe and his footprint on stone ground.

Amphoe Ban Hong
Ban Hong (บ้านโฮ่ง) is the site of a 1,400-years-old community dating back to the Hariphunchai Kingdom. Located some 40 kilometres to the south of Lamphun, it offers a scenic and delightful vista of green fields and mountains. It also has several old temples built in admirable indigenous style, e.g., Wat Phra Chao Ton Luang (วัดพระเจ้าตนหลวง) with its 600-years-old Buddha statue, Wat Pa Puai (วัดป่าป๋วย) and Wat Dong Rusi (วัดดงฤาษี). The later two temples both maintain 100-years-old Ho Trai (scripture halls) built with wood in delicate patterns. Some of the natural attractions in the district include Tham Luang Pha Wiang (ถ้ำหลวงผาเวียง), a cave some 15 kilometres south of the district town. Inside the cavern are oddly-shaped stalactites. There are accommodation facilities for tourists in the district town.

Amphoe Li
Wat Phra Bat Huai Tom (วัดพระบาทห้วยต้ม) is the largest temple in the district, boasting a large Lanna-style Chedi and an extensive place of worship built in laterite by Karens living in the vicinity who were admirers of the highly revered Phra Kru Ba Chaiwongsa. The temple is about 5 kilometres off Highway No. 106 at Km. 47. About 2 kilometres from Li is a group of five old pagoda known as the Chedi Ha Duang (เจดีย์ห้าดวง). The site is believed to have been an ancient town. Covering an area of over 1,000 square kilometres is the Mae Ping National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติแม่ปิง). Its main feature is the Ping River, which flows through the forests in the park. On both sides are fertile forest-lands with sheer cliffs providing beautiful natural scenery. Certain parts of the waterway spread out to form reservoir-like bodies of water with numerous small islands and rapids. Another attraction is the 7-level Namtok Ko Luang (น้ำตกก้อหลวง), which is fed from lime streams. It is just 20 kilometres from the park headquarters and accessible by road. Fascinating stalactites and stalagmites are to be found inside nearby lime caves. Tourists wishing to stay overnight are recommended to contact park headquarters, which are located some 20 kilometres off Highway No.106 at Km.47.

Festivals
The most well-known event in Lamphun is the Song Nam Phra That Hariphunchai (งานสรงน้ำพระธาตุหริภุญชัย), which dates back to the olden times. Held to celebrate the province's principal religious site, it takes place in May.

Another event is the Longan Fair (งานเทศกาลลำไย) in August which is designed to promote this hugely popular produce. There are the beautifully decorated Longan Parade and Longan contests.

Buy
The Pha Mai Yok Dok (ผ้าไหมยกดอก) is an elaborately woven material in traditional method. Originally used in the northern royal court, it became popular during the reign of King Rama VI. The distinctive craftsmanship and skills in producing this type of silk have endeared it to those who prefer the traditional designs. The main production centre is at Tambon Wiangyong of Mueang district. A hand-made cotton fabric (ผ้าฝ้ายทอมือ) is also very much preferred by tourists. It is moderately priced and of designs and colours which have been improved yet retaining the indigenous feel and tradition. It is generally made into table-cloth, plate rests, drapes and other household uses. The market at Pa Sang offers a large collection to choose from. Wood-carving products (งานไม้แกะสลัก) are made from soft-wood into animal figurines, dolls, utensils and decorative items. The natural textures of the wood are clearly visible which add beauty to the products. The main production centre is in Mae Tha district which is some 25 kilometres from town on the way to Lampang.

Amphoe Mueang Lamphun
Ban Suan Choeng Doi (บ้านสวนเชิงดอย) 188 Lamphun-Ban Thi Road (Tel: 0 5350 3661, 0 5350 3654), 5 houses: 1,000-2,000 baht Lamphun Mansion (ลำพูนแมนชั่น) 283 Chammathewi Road (Tel: 0 5353 4687-9 Fax: 0 5353 4690), 12 rooms: 350-450 baht

Mon Saen Dao (ม่อนแสนดาว) 80 Mu 11 Tambon Nong Nam (Tel: 0 5351 1510 Fax. 0 5351 1510), 44 rooms, 590-4,400 baht Supphanit Holiday Inn (ศุภมิตรฮอลิเดย์อินน์) 204-10 Chammathewi Road (Tel: 0 5353 4865-6, 05353 4355), 59 rooms: 250-600 baht

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:14, 4 February 2010 (EST)

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Buy section
Someone added the following things, but they are useless to most English speakers without an explanation of what they are. If I were to guess, I'd say at least half of these are food items that probably belong in Eat, but I don't speak much Indonesian so I can't be sure. (WT-en) Texugo 11:43, 11 April 2010 (EDT) 1. Kripik Pisang (rasa coklat, keju, etc) 2. Buy Sambal Yen yen 3. Sambal goreng udang 4. kripik raja ikan 5. sambal lampung 6. mie kodon

 * They are all food items that could be purchased in a local store (i.e dried or sauces). I will translate each tomorrow and restore to the article (off to bed now!).--(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:18, 11 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Done except Sambal Yen Yen of which I have no idea! --(WT-en) Burmesedays 00:30, 12 April 2010 (EDT)

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So is Lanai small enough that we can combine the Lanai and Lanai City guides? They're about 90% the same thing... (WT-en) Maj 18:37, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

Hotel Lanai and Lanai City Grille photo
Nice photo, but it seems promotional. Is there an important reason to feature a photo of this hotel? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:32, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

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people on this site must realise that the historic county of Lancashire still exists and that lancashire stretches from manchester and liverpool and goes up to the lake district,stop pretending that greater manchester,merseyside and cumbria are counties when they are not start putting the right counties the historic ones.

 * As far as WT is concerned that is not correct. Please see the very clear divisions that we use for North West England and elsewhere. There have been a number of very irritating, deliberate edits recently assigning towns which are in Greater Manchester to Lancashire. This just creates work for the WT community in checking and changing them back. Whoever is doing this, please stop now.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:10, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

What does "as far as wt is concerned that is not correct" mean that wt can not face the truth that Historic county boundaries were not abolished and still exist,when will this site realise The Historic County Boundaries of Lancashire.

 * as with every other such decision at WT, it means that this will not be done until there is discussion and consensus is reached to do so.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:53, 2 July 2011 (EDT)

Sub-dividing Lancashire (or any other English county
Is thoroughly unnecessary. Can whoever is creating articles for boroughs within Lancashire please stop until consensus is reached on this talk page to do so. In the meantime, I am redirecting all borough articles back to Lancashire. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 21:31, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

oh what is the point in deleting things which are 100% true?what is the point at all? in future i will be using sites which are correct.i dont understand how people on this site can say that they are not in lancashire when they are.the queen says we re in Lancashire,the prime minister does so if they say we are,we are.i would definitly rather believe someone who is in charge of the country rather than just a few ordinary people who dont know anything about counties. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 82.24.71.211 (talk • contribs)

 * First, perhaps you can tell us specifically you are talking about? What has been deleted and why should it have been retained? Thanks.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:15, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

 * The Historic County Boundaries of all Counties are viewed as important by both locals and the government,as i am from The Lancashire area i and people around here view our Culture and heritage as important.if lets say perhaps a visitor from down south is considering visiting Lancashire,they know that Manchester and Liverpool and all other areas are Part of Lancashire,the same as Huddersfield and Leeds and parts of Yorkshire.When football is played between clubs such as Bolton Wanderers,Bury,Wigan,Blackburn and so on it is known as a Lancashire Derby.The Above teams and more are in The Lancashire football association as well as manchester united and liverpool. If Man utd play leeds it becomes a roses derby.Lancashire and Yorkshire.Lancashires ground is at old trafford.please would someone insert an historic map of Lancashire as it is really important that people recognise our culture and identity. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 82.24.71.211 (talk • contribs)

Consensus
(WT-en) Burmesedays is entirely right that an issue like this has to be resolved by consensus within the community. I accept there are undoubtedly issues here but it's worth taking time out and considering exactly what they are, and then how they relate to the function of WT. A traveller to Lancashire, Greater Manchester, Merseyside might well feel confused by the day to day description of what exactly constitutes Lancashire, and where local government boundaries appear to contradict everyday usage. So to my mind it is appropriate to briefly mention the confusion and contradictions that have lead to this. But I don't think that WT is the place to go into an extended history of changes by government to local authority boundaries and the subsequent nomenclature of these regions. It's certainly not the place to grind axes. (WT-en) Bobf 04:08, 11 September 2011 (EDT)

I meant to add - 82.24.71.211, please sign your contributions. (WT-en) Bobf 04:11, 11 September 2011 (EDT)

Merge towns into borough
Would like comments on merging Rawtenstall, Haslingden, Bacup and district (towns not yet with articles into Rossendale. Better to have one good sized article for the are rather than a number that may never even become usable status. --Traveler100 (talk) 06:53, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

County boundaries
The dynamic map boundaries are strange, wandering out to sea, creating a "Darwen Salient" above Manchester, and other quirks. Is someone able to adjust? I've added Understand text to try to clear up the distinction between administrative and ceremonial counties, which was the crux of the 2011 spat above. It's unclear if the boundary quirks stem from this. Grahamsands (talk) 17:59, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * This is a problem on basically every English county's dynamic map. The boundary is set by Wikidata, which normally uses only the area covered by a county council. At some point, I'm probably going to remove the mapshapes from all of these county maps, as they look dreadful. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:30, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Understand
I think you cut way too much from the Understand section that then wasn't moved elsewhere in the article. Without wishing to be too negative about your otherwise fab contributions to this article, what you've replaced it with is of little interest or relevance to visitors, and doesn't fulfil the role of a normal Understand section on Wikivoyage. Granted, the old one was far from perfect and certainly too long, but on balance I think it was more informative and gave a better overview of the county for the visitor, rather than for the local government anorak. With the exception of your nice little infobox about the Wars of the Roses, I propose that the old Understand be reinstated as it was, and a kinder pruning - rather than all out chainsaw massacre - be undertaken. What do you think?--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:46, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

The difficulty was that content was scrappy unrelated paras, much of which didn't relate to the current Lancashire, eg the imperial visit to Southport. I couldn't see how to redraft piecemeal, and decided to start from scratch. This has for the moment lost material that deserves mention somewhere, eg the Lancashire Witches saga would sit well in Clitheroe. I began with the boundaries since there was acrimony about that on WV talk, but if after 45 years no-one cares, it can relegate to an infobox or be cut. I was looking to revisit this section once I'd combed the "city" pages and had a better feel for the place. What else needs to come back? Famous Lancs personalities, sports, the new universities - what's top of your list? Hope we can resolve this without reverting. Grahamsands (talk) 13:47, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Right, new content added, try that. Grahamsands (talk) 12:36, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

 * Have seen the messages, will reply but don't have time right now. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:42, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

 * Your version of the Understand section, now there's more meat on the bones, is certainly better written than the old one. I appreciate that you've taken the time to add info on the witches to Clitheroe as well. On the other hand, I think the rambling "Barrow-in-Furness, for instance... Leyland buses on tarmac roads" could still be cut, and either substituted with a less wordy anecdote or forgotten about, since it refers back to an even earlier form of Lancashire that most travellers, especially foreign ones, won't recognise.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:20, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Getting there. No, Barrow wasn't an even earlier incarnation of Lancashire - it was there until 1974 reflecting the old stagecoach route, imagine! Thus it moved at the same time as Mancs and L'pool. That said, it doesn't have the strong Lancs cultural associations that those areas did, so it's less important for the traveller to understand. I've condensed further, will expand on the Barrow page. Grahamsands (talk) 19:46, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I see. I may go as far to say Barrow has no cultural association with Lancs, and when compared to Liverpool that's saying something.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 00:46, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Lancaster (Pennsylvania)

Discussion of the Amish should really be moved to the Pennsylvania Region article on Pennsylvania Dutch Country, I'd think. Of course there are the colorful Amish city names, like "Blue Ball" and "Bird In Hand" but that page would be more appropriate to discuss tourism.--(WT-en) justfred 14:45, 5 October 2006 (EDT)

Moved. Also moved Lancaster isin.--(WT-en) justfred 18:51, 6 October 2006 (EDT)

I added Amtrak to the section about getting in. There's a train station right in downtown Lancster with more than a dozen trains a day, and there was no mention of Amtrak. 71.172.229.60 14:59, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

too many driving directions
do we need so much detail about how to get in? wow, I thought I was bad just publishing lots of details in lehigh valley and Skylands. I scrolled down pretty far just to get all the detailed driving instructions out of the way. Wouldn't it be better to try to give people reasons to try to figure out how to get into the town on their own? let me know, I'll be watching (WT-en) Kire1975 07:00, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

I agree. There were way too many directions for driving in. It was absurd, so I deleted all the exsessive directions.

There is way too much stuff on here that does not pertain to Lancaster city at all. If anybody else would like to support me on this, I would like to move most of it over to the Lancaster county page where it would be more appropriate. (WT-en) Danwxman 13:21, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Images
There's an embarrassment of riches at Commons:Category:Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Would someone familiar with the city please select several representative photos that fit well onto the page and make it attractive? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:44, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Just in case nobody finds it in years to come, after we revise and update our WV:Image policy, here's a neat video that was deleted. --W. Franke-mailtalk 21:50, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * How many would be appropriate? I do have a question how much of the article should be on the city and how much is on the county?  Whoever chooses the pix, please do not have a photo of the Amish - they generally do not like having their photos taken (it's prideful) and many photos that you see are of folks who just dress up like the Amish so that tourists will pay them for their photos.  Smallbones (talk) 22:50, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

[unindent]It really depends on how many will fit well. I'm estimating probably 7-8 at most. I'd suggest concentrating on the city, as the countryside could be covered at Pennsylvania Dutch Country, which currently has no photos. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:13, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * We still have a "minimal use of images" policy which I actually support. I've got (very slow) broadband here in Glasgow but many of our readers will be paying steep roaming charges or twiddling their thumbs while using shared connections at internet cafes. That's one reason I support the use of the upright=n switch to honour readers' preferences. It's even more difficult if folks are trying to edit now we have the banners at the top of a lot of articles.
 * A video (like yours, Smallbones) composed of many well lit and photographed still images actually helps in this regard since there is only one small and stopped "thumbnail video" to download (relatively small amount of data) and the reader can then choose whether to view it or not and whether to go "full screen" (relatively large amount of data to be downloaded which, due to Commons technical limitations, is pretty much the same whether you choose to view it as a tiny thumbnail video or full screen - the data amount depends on the native video formatted size and lenght). --W. Franke-mailtalk 23:03, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Possible technical solution
Is it possible to have the template:external media work here on Wikivoyage? I'm a big believer in the idea that if enough people look at a problem, in many cases a simple solution can be found. This is one that will likely solve the double problem
 * you want everything to be printable, and
 * you want minimum upload times

If the external media template could be used here (and I'd guess it's a matter of just copying it here or approving its use), then video and other multi-media on Commons could be used here, a header image would upload, look and print just like a photo (since it is just a photo) simply by making the link to Commons an external link. I thought I'd be able to give a demo here, but I'll do it on Wikipedia since the template does not work here. The link is here. A minor problem, that would likely take the right person 5 minutes to fix, would be to change the label at the top from "External Media" to "Multimedia" or something similar. Back in a few minutes. Smallbones (talk) 19:31, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

 * OK, please click the link for the demo. Near the bottom of the page you'll see "External Media", just click on the link below the photo to go to the video. BTW, do you allow ordinary links to Commons? Smallbones (talk) 19:45, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I just want to comment on your last question. There are two types of links to Commons that are used on this site: (1) Thumbnails - all the photos on this site are thumbnails of files in Commons; (2) sidebar links to same-subject pages or categories on Commons. Right now, there are two thumbnails on the Lancaster (Pennsylvania) page and a sidebar link to Commons:Category:Lancaster,_Pennsylvania . When you look in an edit screen, the sidebar links to Commons, Open Directory and Wikipedia appear at the end of the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:00, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, I had to click "Related sites." I've put in another, simpler work around on the right.  Formatting could probably be improved.  Note that the photo shown is printable, and there is almost no extra upload time unless you click the link.  Smallbones (talk) 20:34, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ikan Kekek is already aware of this discussion but Smallbones and others might find it interesting: Wikivoyage_talk:Sister_project_links --W. Franke-mailtalk 21:01, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting, yes. Do I understand it? no. I'll put the revised example back into the main discussion and see what people think. Smallbones (talk) 02:58, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Land Between the Lakes

Copright Violation
The whole of the understand section seems to be a copyright violation from |Wikipedia. Wikipedia content is not compatible with Wikivoyage's copyleft.

Also there is already an article called Land Between the Lakes National Recreation Area so why another one? --(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:23, 1 December 2009 (EST)

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Talk:Landmannalaugar

Not sure if this is the "official" site for Landmannalaugar, but looks like it has some good info. . (WT-en) Fastestdogever 14:19, 11 February 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Lăng Cô

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Get in Section
I plan to section this out once I get some time. (Plus having bit of a play with the Talk page as I'm a newbie)(WT-en) Bernoullies 05:33, 23 August 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Langebaan

So, should all of this be blanked, or just reformatted? Everything came from one hotel's website, and was added by them. (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 06:58, 25 January 2007 (EST)

 * Delete it...much of the original content is already in copyright violation on the hotel's website that say they donated it. True origin seems to be http://www.sawestcoast.com/park.html ::: (WT-en) NJR_ZA 07:31, 25 January 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Langhe

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Comments
I added a link to Barolo, and made a small change to the wine tasting description. I have gone to many producers in the Piemonte without calling first. For example, I tasted at Massolino (which is listed on the page) witout calling first and was very welcome there.

(WT-en) Brhumphreys 15:18, 24 February 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Langkawi

And ... please dont forget the friendly homestay of GEKKO Guesthouse too.

Do
''Move from the guides for data mining. The current text doesn't fit our Project:Manual of style.'' (WT-en) Maj 21:43, 9 January 2007 (EST)

For some people Langkawi offers nothing much compared to the bustling beach thoroughfares in neighbouring countries such as Thailand's Phuket or Indonesia's Bali. However, it is a matter of taste and preference as Langkawi offers a much more sedate, laid-back, family-friendly package. Sex is not the pull of these beautiful islands. It just doesn't need to be sleazy to offer one of the best tropical island holidays money can buy today. And by the way, recent reports that Langkawi is the training ground for Thai terrorists are not true. No one can conduct such activities on Langkawi without being easily spotted. Langkawi is just a friendly peaceful place for all peace-loving people of the world.

With a paced and controlled development, Langkawi is virtually free from pollution although at certain times of the year some of the more popular locations can be rather crowded. These would include the main beach thoroughfare of Pantai Cenang.

What do you do in Langkawi besides just lazy days of sunbathing on the powdery white sandy beaches? It depends on your preference again. I would suggest taking a boat ride to visit the many out-lying islands, most of which are uninhabited and just great to get lost for a day. Get stranded on one with a day's supply of food and drinks (beers and spirits are dirt cheap as they are duty free in Langkawi) and you will know what I mean. And as for selections you are only moments away from your favourite brand of beer, whisky, brandy or great wine.

Seafood is abundant in Langkawi, although not all are sourced from the waters off the islands, but imported from nearby Thailand. But, who cares? They come from the same seas anyway. Partake of the myriad ways food and seafood are prepared. Chose anything from barbequed barracuda, fresh squids, prawns to various shellfish.

With its proximity to Thailand, some of the local cuisines would, invariably, have some Thai influence. Just look at the number of restaurants and stalls offering Thai Tum Yam style cooking.

You will also not be at lost should your palate accept only western food. English, American, Italian or even French cuisine can be had almost anywhere at really reasonable cost.

For the nature lover in you, the islands and the jungle on the main island offers endless days of bird-watching, trekking and exhilarating immersion within the peaceful confines of the verdant jungle. Talking about birds, take half a day at least to get up close and personal with the famed Brahmini Kite eagles of Langkawi. There are boat tours that take visitors to their favourite feeding grounds around Pulau Beras Basah and Pulau Dayang Bunting.

Pulau Dayang Bunting is worth a visit. Set in the center of the island is a fresh water lake. Some may compare this to the Thale Nae emerald salt water lake in the Ang Thong National Marine Park of Thailand near Ko Samui. For visitors who are adventurous, you can rent a kayak to go across the lake to a look out point. Here you can see the lake behind you and sea just in front of you from a spectacular lookout point.

Mangrove tours are a must. These can be arranged with the boat operators at Pantai Cenang. There are many locations for this activity, including the most popular one at Kilim. Other operators will take you to the mangrove forests of Pulau Dayang Bunting or Tanjung Ru.

Great caving can be had, especially around the north shores of the island. Get yourself a book on the caves of Langkawi as a guide and explore these dank and dark subterranean environments to the hilt.

Like most popular destinations, always be wary of tourist traps. Although not many in Langkawi, they do exist. Just talk to a friendly local or a long-staying visitor and you will get by nicely.

Langkawi is affected by the milder western monsoon (May-September), and while diving is possible in the nearby Pulau Payar Marine Park 45 minutes away by boat, water clarity tends to be poor. Lately evidence of the ravages of tourism can be seen and there have been a public outcry to bring the island back to its original state.

Visit the Cable car set in the Oriental Village. Its a must-see for the views of the islands and the seas it provides. But make sure you visit it on a day with clear skies. Otherwise there's not much point in going 700+ metres high up just to watch clouds. It costs RM15 per person.

Kampung
There is no need to write "kampung" in the Malay language since kampung literally means village and not traditional Malay village. Kampung can refer to any village of any ethnicity in any country.

Excellent write up
I applause the contributors for the excellent write up. But I need to highlight few things: please pay attention to the typing - especially capital letters, spaces and distance between characters. Secondly, it would be nice to have more pictures - especially to major tourist attractions. Last but not least, I hope more emphasize can be given to ecotourism since that Langkawi is famous for its nature wonders. Anwarul 09:00, 8 February 2011 (EST)

 * Please plunge forward and edit the article yourself! The time you took to write that message could have been used to improve the article. Thanks. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 04:21, 23 August 2011 (EDT)

"Tour" sub-section
Does this currently meet our Tour policy - or is it just a ready made sub-section for touts to use? --118.93.227.72 10:44, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Lang Suan

Tenface Bangkok
Removed link to Tenface Bangkok, which is near Soi Langsuan in Bangkok, not Lang Suan district in Chumphon.

TAT Listings
Moved a bunch of TAT listings to Talk:Lang Suan/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 20:40, 5 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Lang Suan/Listings

Amphoe Lang Suan
Somdech Phra Srinagarindra Park (สวนสมเด็จพระศรีนครินทร์ฯ ) This park is in Mu 7 Tambon Tha Maphla about 7 km from Amphoe Lang Suan. The park is accessible by car and a good place for relaxation. The park consists of a hill by rivers. Flowers and plants decorate the area at the foot of the hill. There is also a monument to the present King’s mother.

Tham Khao Ngoen (ถ้ำเขาเงิน)

This cave is in the same area as the park. Somdej Phra Chulachomklao Chaoyuhua, (King Rama V) graciously had a pagoda built in front of it to commemorate his first visit to Lang Suan in 1889. The cave’s interior looks like a big hall or tent. There is a chimney going through the top. The cave’s wall is also inscribed with his Majesty’s initial Chor.Por.Ror.

Tham Khao Kriab (ถ้ำเขาเกรียบ)

This is a famous cave and is accessible by car. It is about 80 kilometers (50 mi) from the city center along Chumphon-Lang Suan Route or 10 km. from Amphoe Lang Suan. There are many stalagmites inside. There is a monk residence at the foot of the hill from which 370 steps leading to the cave begin.

Ko Phithak (เกาะพิทักษ์)

This island is in Tambon Bang Nam Chuet and is one kilometer from the shore. The island has beautiful rocks and many fishing villages. When the tide is low you can walk from the shore to the island.

Amphoe Phato
Namtok Heo Lom (น้ำตกเหวโหลม)

Located at Ban Bok Fai, Mu 3, Tambon Pak Song, about 16 kilometers from the District Office of Phato along the Lang Suan-Ratchakrud Highway (Highway 4006) : These scenic falls are a perfect fresh water adjunct to Chumphon’s beaches and islands. From the bottom of the falls, two-hour rafting tours down the scenic Bok Rai River can be arranged between November and April. For additional information contact the Phato District Office at 0 7753 9040. (To reach the waterfall turn left off Highway 4006 at Km. 11 and continue for another 8 kilometers until reaching the fall’s entrance.)

Khlong Ruea Homestay (โฮมสเตย์บ้านคลองเรือ)

It is located in Mu 9 Tambon Paksong, Phato. The home stay surrounded by rainforest. Learn to the way of life the villager and nature. Travel from highway No.41 until km.63 (Wang Thako T-junction, Amphoe Lang Suan) turn right to route 4006. The entrance of village at km.14. The village far from the main road about 14 km. For more information, please call to 08 7895 0501, 08 6088 1362 or visit website: www.klongrua.com  Por Ta Chongdong Summit (ยอดเขาพ่อตาโชงโดง)

Por Ta Chongdong Summit is about 1,000 meters high from the sea and cover with the very old ancestors. This summit is the natural place for study the biology and ecology of the rainforest, and good point to see Mos, Fern, and sunset viewpoint of Andaman sea. Traveler can stay over night in tents on the top of the mountain. For more information of stay, please contact Phato Watershed Management and Conservative Unit Tel : 0 7752 0055 and Phato Rainforest Ecotourism Club Tel : 0 7752 0075.

Por Ta Mangkre Summit (ยอดเขาพ่อตามังเคร)

970 meters in height from sea. The Pho Ta Mangkre Summit cover with the green filed, wide life animals and the beautiful Mangkre flower. For more information, please contact Phato Watershed Management and Conservative Unit Tel : 0 7752 0055 and Phato Rainforest Ecotourism Club Tel : 0 7752 0075.

Khao Thung-Klong Pi waterfall (เขาทุ่ง-น้ำตกคลองปิ)

Khao Thung is cover 3 provinces of Chumphon-Ranong-Surat Thani, this large mountain is the main waterway of Lang Suan river. Almost area still be the fully rainforest, and enjoy the beautiful view point 50 meters in height of Khlong Pi waterfall. For more information, please contact Phato Watershed Management and Conservative Unit Tel : 0 7752 0055 and Phato Rainforest Ecotourism Club Tel : 0 7752 0075.

Haew Ta Jan-Haew Phlu Nang waterfall (น้ำตกเหวตาจันทร์-น้ำตกเหวพลูหนัง)

A walking trip to see the fresh atmosphere, natural, and gully. Start at Ban Khlong Ruea to Heo Ta Jan waterfall and then walking down to Heo Phlu Nang waterfall. For more information, please Tel : 08 7895 0501, 08 6088 1362 or www.klongrua.com

Watershed forest mountain (สัมผัสยอดเขา)

Hiking trail to the top of mountain in the forest of Phato. Overview looking to the both side of Andaman sea and Ao Thai (Gulf of Thailand). Amazing with beautiful sunset and mist cover the mountain. There are 3 summits are Pho Ta Mangkre summit, Pho Ta Chong Dong summit and Khao Thung summit. For more information, please contact to Phato Rainforest Ecotourism Club Tel : 0 7752 0055 E-mail : phato_eco@yahoo.com

Exciting Rafting (ล่องแก่ง) In Phato river that run through to Amphoe Langsuan. Start the exciting trip with rafting in rapids: Bok Fire, Heo Bua Thong, Heo Ta Won, Heo Ta Aon, Khuen Nam Woen, Hua Ka Loke and Hin Chang, more information, please contact to 0 7752 0055, 0 7752 0077.

Amphoe Lamae
Tham Khao Plu Hot Spring (บ่อน้ำร้อนถ้ำเขาพลู)

This place is one of the most popular tourists spots in Lamae District. It is in Mu 2, Tambon Suan Taeng, 7 kilometers away from the district center along Highway 41. There are 3 hot spas here at the foot of the mountain slope. In the vicinity, there are also 4 caves with beautiful stalactites and stalagmites. Wildlife such as squirrels, pig-tailed monkeys and birds of different species are scattered around the area. Available are the private cabin to relaxing in the hot spring bathtub and pool area in the shade of trees. For more information, please contact to Tambon Suan Taeng Administration office Tel : 0 7752 0136.

Hat Tawan Chai (หาดตะวันฉาย)

This is a large long beach parallel to the line of coconut palms. It is the most beautiful beach in this district suitable for relaxation. This beach is in Mu 3, Tambon Lamae. Tourists can get there by car, from Phetkasem Road via Lamae District intersection, then turn left into a brick road and go on for about 7 kilometers.

Amphoe Lamae

 * Kha Mu Nok Noi (ขาหมูนกน้อย) Km 87, on the Highway 4112 (Opening hrs.:7.00 a.m. – 6.00 p.m.) Tel : 0 7755 9023

 * Ladda House (ลัดดา เฮ้าส์) 99 Tambon Lamae, Thai food, (Opening hrs. : 10.00 a.m. – 8.00 p.m.)  Tel : 0 7755 9051

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 20:42, 5 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Learning languages abroad

VFD discussion
Language tourism & Spanish language tourism

Both have previously been deleted at least once already. Delete again? Or keep as Travel activities? ~ 203.144.143.4 16:05, 17 December 2007 (EST)

 * Delete . I think I was the one to delete these earlier as non-articles. They are plausibly travel topics, but currently lack any useful information, just fluff. And I'm not convinced there is anything useful to be said on this matter, speaking as someone who does travel for the purpose of language acquisition. If you want to learn language X, go spend time in country X. Any practical information beyond that becomes a guide to "how to learn languages," which seems beyond the scope of Wikivoyage to me. While language certainly is a reason to travel, I don't see a practical purpose for a travel topic about this motivation. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:55, 17 December 2007 (EST)
 * Keep. They are valid travel topics. We should keep them, as we do with many stub articles, and see if they develop. An article on the other side of language travel, Teaching English, was once vfd'd and is now a guide, almost star. (WT-en) Pashley 21:26, 17 December 2007 (EST)
 * There's lots they could cover: If I want to learn Spanish, what are the differences in cost, accent, etc. between Spain, Argentina, etc.? Which schools are good? In interesting cities? On good beaches? Which have courses specifically for business Spanish? (WT-en) Pashley 21:35, 17 December 2007 (EST)
 * Fair enough, I might have been being shortsighted. I think the generic Language tourism should be delimited, though, to a basic index of specific language tourism articles (which right now only includes the stub Spanish one). I suppose I could cobble together a decent article of this nature for Russian.
 * Only one other point, though—I don't like the name "Language Tourism," as it seems neo-logismy to me. Wouldn't Learning Spanish abroad be better? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:05, 17 December 2007 (EST)
 * I like Learning Spanish abroad much better as well. Tourism is one reason to travel, language learning is another. (WT-en) Texugo 23:09, 17 December 2007 (EST)

 * Surely a single-item "Language tourism" index should be a sub-section of the relevent "Travel topics" index, at least until it grows too long to fit there.
 * How about redirecting Language tourism to a "Learning languages abroad" section on the Travel activities page? ~ 203.144.143.4 01:10, 18 December 2007 (EST)
 * Sounds good to me. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 01:30, 18 December 2007 (EST)
 * Me too.(WT-en) Texugo 01:56, 18 December 2007 (EST)
 * Me three.(WT-en) Pashley 02:27, 18 December 2007 (EST)
 * Done. ~ 58.8.2.192 15:32, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Activity or reason? Redirect to outline
I think the present redirect to Activities#Learning languages abroad is less than ideal. We now have Reasons to travel with Studying abroad, which make much better company than Agritourism and Photography, between which the section now is placed.

I think the topic is worth an article, and I saw no good place for the paragraph in activities, so I wrote an outline and moved it (together with this talk page) to the suggested title, Learning languages abroad, and changed the breadcrumb to Reasons to travel. There is much to add, but I won't be working on the article in the near future. Do what you might.

–LPfi (talk) 16:58, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

"grammar is not easier to get abroad"
I disagree. If you're speaking another language all day because you have to, your grammar is likely to be corrected, and you can also ask locals how to say x or y. I'll give you an example. I was having a conversation with a woman on a train in Italy and I wanted to say something had been worthwhile. I knew that the phrase "vale la pena" meant "is worthwhile", so I said "ha valuta la pena", and my conversation partner corrected me, saying that I needed to use "e valsa le pena". When you aren't speaking a language, grammar has a theoretical sense to it; when you are, you get practical lessons in it. On the other hand, of course many people dispense with a lot of aspects of formal grammar in daily speech. For example, when I lived in rural Malaysia, lots of niceties that were supposed to be used in standard Malay were dispensed with or abbreviated, and in France, "Je ne sais pas" isn't used much in spoken French, but "Je sais pas" is common. But I don't think that really weakens my point, which is that when you are immersed in a language, you learn grammar the way it is used in daily life. If you want to learn formal grammar for the purpose of reading and writing, you should take formal classes in it, but I still think that learning how to speak a language will help you understand the way speakers of that language think, as expressed in the grammar and usage in the language, and that will help you internalize the grammar. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:41, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

 * I agree with you—using the language authentically helps you internalize and improve your grammar. But I think the paragraph in question does have a point: you can get more mileage out of learning abroad if you already have a decent foundation. Maybe we can rephrase it to make that point without implying that learning abroad doesn't help with grammar. —Granger (talk · contribs) 19:59, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

 * I don't agree with that, either. Just throwing yourself into things is good, and the "foundation" can just be very basic stuff you can listen to on YouTube or a phrasebook. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:42, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

 * Maybe it depends on the learner or the situation. I've certainly seen expats in China try to learn Chinese purely by throwing themselves into it and fail to get past the basics. And a learner's time for travel is usually limited—if I only have, say, a month to spend in the country, I do think I get more mileage out of that month if I learn the basics first so I have something to build on when I arrive. But I can believe this isn't universal. —Granger (talk · contribs) 16:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

 * Sure, the basics you can get by doing a couple of, like, Pimsleur segments. My first trip to China was in the summer of 1987. I studied for a few weeks by using a basic phrasebook and the cassette (remember those?) that accompanied it, and that plus a dictionary and listening to people during a 3-week segment (that is, not counting the additional ~2 weeks I was in Hong Kong) were sufficient for me to have a survival level of Mandarin sufficient for me to purchase my own train ticket in Wuxi Train Station for Beijing. I was able to request a noontime hard seat and read the basic information on the ticket, which my Lonely Planet guidebook showed me how to read. I was also able to check into hotels and order food in restaurants, again at a survival level. I had a very similar experience in Hungary in 1994. I had a phrasebook with a 2-sided cassette, a book on Hungarian grammar and a dictionary. Some days, I understood basic conversation and made myself understood well; other days, I didn't understand people well at all and then couldn't make head or tails of my accent or whatever, but the bottom line is that I was able to get around. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:03, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

 * I think it probably also depends on how similar the grammar of the language in question is to the languages you already speak. For instance, Japanese has a very different syntax from English or Chinese, so I'm not sure I would have been able to just pick up Japanese by living in Japan without any formal lessons. I had to spend months learning all the proper conjugations for Japanese verbs and adjectives before I could string coherent sentences together. But what is certainly true is that what they teach you in class is very formal Japanese that you will hear in news broadcasts and public service announcements, and not how people actually talk to each other in the street. So I still needed to practise with some native speakers, and to watch Japanese dramas, before I was competent enough to understand the Japanese spoken in the streets.

 * On the other hand, because Cantonese has a similar syntax to Mandarin, and because of how simple Chinese grammar is, I was able to pick up quite a fair bit of Cantonese by simply watching Hong Kong dramas without any formal lessons. The dog2 (talk) 17:34, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

 * That's a good point (not just similarities in grammar, but in vocabulary too). I had more success picking up Portuguese in Brazil than Thai in Thailand, and I think that's partly because I could already speak Spanish. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:56, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

 * Hungarian grammar is very complex and dissimilar in important ways from that of any other language I have any familiarity with, but I was just beginning to understand it more at the end of my 2-week visit to Budapest. I do have to admit that I'm a lot better at picking up and understanding languages than many other people, though. One important structural element of Mandarin grammar that I didn't pick up until my 2nd trip to China is that if you want to ask how to say a word, you need to put "shenme shuo" at the end of the sentence. During my first trip, I put it at the beginning of the sentence and no-one understood my questions. The fact that I studied 3 Pimsleur CDs instead of a shorter and even more basic cassette tape the 2nd time helped, but I also found that when I backslid to putting "shenme shuo" at the beginning of the sentence, no-one understood but that when I put it at the end, everyone understood. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:07, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I disagree: To get is an (informal) synonym for to understand. As far as I understand the argument is that you have a certain “brain capacity” and you need, say, an hour to understand a certain principle. This can be done completely independently from your location. Note, the criticized statement appears in the section Prepare. I think it’s absolutely warranted to give everyone a heads-up “language travel is an aid, but cannot significantly reduce time and effort.” Also, when we’re talking about grammar we need to stress there are multiple/many grammars (plural). Textbook grammars are usually conservative, but I really recommend everyone to get a firm understanding of these before heading abroad. Otherwise you risk getting confused, you might even think “I am wrong.” Kai Burghardt (talk) 11:11, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:Learning languages abroad


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Talk:Languedoc-Roussillon

I've copied some entries in the 'see' section into the Hérault page. I think otherwise, if sights from other départements are enteed here as well, this page will become too long to be useful. However I don't know whether they should now be deleted here or not. Be certain of one thing; I put them on and I should not be upset if anybody thinks they should go from this page and deletes them.(EDT)(WT-en) Davidx 14:13, 26 April 2008

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Talk:Lankaran

Copy Vio?
Some of this info seems to have been copied from the Wikipedia page... (WT-en) Cacahuate 06:11, 17 December 2006 (EST)

Just a thought, but the wikipedia information was copied from the Lankaran official English web site-http://www.lankaran.az/index.php?lang=eng, as was the info copied here.. I think they are both in violation, right? (WT-en) Cupcakecommander 28 December 2006

 * Yes. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:39, 28 December 2006 (EST)

 * Hey Cupcake, since you have an interest in this page do you want to reword the info so that we can keep its essence and not have to altogether remove it? (WT-en) Cacahuate 03:06, 28 December 2006 (EST)

 * Cacahuate, I just did.. Hope you guys have a great new year!!(WT-en) Cupcakecommander

title: Talk:Lankaran


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Talk:Lansing (disambiguation)

Lansing
Anyone else think Lansing (Michigan) meets our "much more famous" criterion and ought to be at Lansing? (WT-en) LtPowers 19:30, 19 March 2012 (EDT)

 * As the capital of Michigan I think it qualifies since Lansing (Illinois) is just a small village. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:37, 19 March 2012 (EDT)
 * Yes. (WT-en) Pashley 00:42, 5 July 2012 (EDT)
 * A few years later, but I definitely support this move. Eco84 (talk) 13:06, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Done. Sorry I neglected to follow up on this. Powers (talk) 14:44, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Lanzarote

This location needs time-zone information. —The preceding comment was added by 194.73.97.131 (talk • contribs) Revision as of 12:17, 12 April 2007

I hardly think that the 0.63c litres of wine in a supermarket are the same quality as the 8e bottle found in a restaurant. Can we have some realistic prices? —The preceding comment was added by 77.97.86.125 (talk • contribs) Revision as of 23:35, 29 August 2009

Pictures
First, there's a picture of a map. It's nice, but is it OK for Freedom of Panorama? Second, there are a lot of photos bunched one right after the other in one section. They should be distributed more evenly throughout the article, and then we can determine if there are too many of them or whether any should be replaced by better pictures. There are quite a few really excellent pictures of Lazarote on Commons. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:58, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think that the picture of the map is useful. The dynamic map immediately above is much better. We can do without the picture. Ground Zero (talk) 11:33, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ...but before removing it, please add the missing listings into the map. -- andree.sk (talk) 11:57, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I distributed the images throughout the article, and I now think there are not too many images, without prejudice to the map. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:47, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Lao phrasebook

Argh -- the romanizations in the current phrasebook are shot to hell. Can somebody who knows what they're doing(tm) standardize them on the RTGS-style phonetics? (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:47, 22 July 2006 (EDT)

I wonder how useful the romanizations would be in practice for tourists. It's good that there is an explanation of the consonants. Can the same be done for the vowels or the tones? The biggest problem is that if these words are pronounced inaccurately, then none of the locals will be able to understand what is being sad. This would make the phrasebook superfluous.

 * I'm in Laos right now and I've found that just like in Thailand, the locals understand us foreigners very well when we try stuff out of phrasebooks without tones. For being able to fluently communicate I'm sure the tones are crucial. But for the stilted tourist phrases a traveller needs these worries about superfluousness are overblown.
 * It would be nice to have Lao script and standardized romanization throughout though. I'm a bit slow at picking up the script though. — Hippietrail (talk) 02:59, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Laos

personal anecdote confirmation
to the "drink" section I added the line "Something to note however is that some areas may be so laid back that they will expect you to keep track of of what you have drunk, with the odd guest house asking how much you have drunk during your stay upon check out." as that is what I encountered, can any one else can confirm this?--(WT-en) Hypo Mix 08:03, 27 January 2011 (EST)

Comparative awe-inspiration
My dearest Anonymous, find me something in Laos as impressive as Angkor Wat, and you can keep your comment. Otherwise I'll stand by my ground that Laos' temples are not as awe-inspiring as Cambodia's. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:02, 4 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * You are right about the temples, but Lao scenery is more impressive. I traveled by boat from Siem Reap to Phnom Penh and (later) from Phnom Penh to Vietnam and I found it just boring. In contrast, the boat from Luang Prabang to Thailand is much more scenic (and it takes two days, while both trips in Cambodia took less than a day). (WT-en) Rbakels 03:16, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

License issues??
A lot in this article seems to come from Lonely Planet (shoestring SE-asia), some descriptions word-by-word. For example Lao or Laos section and speed/slowboat section contain very known constructions to me.
 * Hi Anonymous, as for the speed boat section, I did write it without having read the "Shoestring"-Edition. Nevertheless, I did read several Laos-guidebooks, so some expressions might be similar, but the text almagamates all those info and also contains personal experiences. To be clear: I did not willingly copy one line from any other guidebook. I would be surprised if I managed by coincidence to rewrite exactly like the LP-Stuff, that would be something like PSI, don't you think? Information like those on casualties are of course taken from one of the books, but this is not copying or plagiate. Maybe you can elaborate the exact matches and/ or work them over? --(WT-en) Ront 05:11, 15 September 2006 (EDT)

Vaccinations and Health
Wikivoyage on Laos with a bare mention of malaria, and none of cholera, typhoid, dengue, Japanese Encephalitis, and hepatitis?

 * Project:Plunge forward! (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:46, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

Condoms
The purpose of this site is not to promote or facilitate promiscuity. I see no reason to have the condom information here. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 66.233.214.134 (talk • contribs)

 * If you act responsible you should use condoms not only if you have several sexual partners. --(WT-en) Flip666 writeme! • 18:27, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

 * The purpose of this site is to provide useful information for travelers. If travelers use condoms (and I think it is fair to say that some do), then information regarding condoms does belong on Wikivoyage. If your purpose here is to delete travel information related to family planning or safe sex, then I would suggest that your goals are incompatible with those of Wikivoyage. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:46, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Instead of deleting one line about condoms, why not focus on filling articles with listings for interesting things travelers can do in any given location besides have sex? That will keep travelers occupied and un-promiscuous, and keep you un-censorious. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 21:08, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

I've also put back the line about lao lao being the cheapest way to get hammered because, well, it is. And you don't drink that stuff for the taste! (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:08, 13 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Could somebody explain to me what, exactly, is wrong with the word "hammered"? (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:55, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

 * What you fail to understand is that "hammered" is an unencyclopedic term and violates NPOV. --(WT-en) VisitingWikipedian 16:13, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

 * I do not like recommending our readers how to get drunken and when I first read this sentence I did not understand the ironic tone in this sentence. We are not an enzyclopedia and it is perfectly ok to use colloquial language, so I have no problems with the word "hammered" but it might sound like a recommondation, so maybe we should remove this sentence completely. --(WT-en) Flip666 writeme! • 16:39, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Sorry Flip, rest assured that sarcasm was not directed at you. My feeling on this is that there are travelers looking to get hammered (I tend to run in to these folks on trains...) and they might as well get their information here. I say we give travelers the information and let them decide for themselves how to behave. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:22, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

 * It's back. And this is my new favorite edit comment, even if I do say so myself. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:26, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

 * For an international audience, it would be helpful not to use slang. My command of English is sufficient to prefer the English language version of WikiTravel, because it usually contains more information than other language versions. But my command of slang is limited. Another comment is that (unformtunately) some people travel to Laos just for "sex, drugs and rock and roll". While thare are stiff penalties on drugs, alcohol and sex is apparently the sole purpose for some people to travel to Vang Vieng. It may be a deliberate strategy of the Lao autorities to attract tourists that otherwise would find Laos boring. (WT-en) Rbakels 03:24, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

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getting rid of Lao Kip outside of Laos is difficult ,you are right Jpatokal...! the end of the cold war doesn't seem to hold for bankers....:( In Vietnam I could change them ,but not to a fair rate...118.71.178.231 08:04, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

 * I think it's the Laotian Communist Party who never noticed that the Cold War ended, not the capitalist running-dog bankers... (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:40, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

Whoever wrote this Wikivoyage page, I think did a phenominal job and I just wanted to mention that here and say thank you. I found it extremely informative, and I did like realistic facts laced with humor. I was on the fence about going to Laos but now I'm fired up to go. I was a little suprised at some of the complaints, especially the condom guy, lighten up buddy. Anyways, don't worry about the whiners, I think you're entry is really good!

Brigg(WT-en) Rockin'SEA 03:50, 25 September 2009 (EDT)

Regions
Laos is accumulating orphaned city/town articles without regions. It would be greatly appreciated if someone(s) with knowledge of the country would help build a region structure for our articles. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 12:48, 3 January 2009 (EST)

 * I know Laos from 3 actual extended visits and a lot of reading, and shall have a go. I do not think Laos requires an especially complex regional structure and I have come up with two options. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 00:06, 28 November 2009 (EST)

 * Option 1. A simple north, central and south split. Makes sense for a long, narrow country like Laos (especially when there are no coastal regions to deal with) and, in my experience, visitors do think of the country in these terms. So we would have:

 * Northern Laos - all of the northern hill provinces to the southern/south-eastern extremities of Xaignabouli and Louangprabang provinces.
 * Central Laos - everything south and south-east of Xaignabouli and Louangprabang provinces to the Southern Laos border as defined below.
 * Southern Laos - everything south from the provincial border between Kahmmouan and Savannakhet. An alternative would be to use the Kading River as a more northerly boundary.

 * Option 2 is a bit more geographical but makes less sense for the traveler I believe. Keep Northern Laos as defined above. Move the southern boundary of Central Laos north to the Kading River. Split the south into two regions: Annanite Mountains and Mekong Plains. So we would have:

 * Northern Laos
 * Central Laos
 * Annanite Mountains
 * Mekong Plains

 * Either way, but I prefer Option 1. I am sure there are WikiTravelers who know Laos better than me and comments are very welcome.  --(WT-en) Burmesedays 00:06, 28 November 2009 (EST)

 * Given the uncontroversial nature of this proposed regionalisation and the general lack of interest, I will plunge forward and do it. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:38, 4 December 2009 (EST)

 * Awesome map! Unfortunately I don't know the country well enough to help, but this seems like a logical way. (WT-en) Globe-trotter 12:32, 7 December 2009 (EST)

 * I'd also go with Option 1 -- nice and simple. (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:15, 5 January 2010 (EST)

Buy section
how about some information on what to buy, in addition to how to get cash?

 * Laos? (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:43, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

Drive yourself?
The article is very right that minibuses are less comfortable than even a basic regular Lao bus. The article mentions the option to rent a car with a driver. I wonder whether it is feasible to rent a car without a driver, if only that allows even more freedom. In my perception the main roads are in a fairly good condition, and they are pretty empty. And in Laos cars traffic drives at the right side of the road, which is good if you are used to that. Any comments? (WT-en) Rbakels 03:10, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

Lao Kip
I assume that the proper nomenclature for the Lao currency is "kip". I can't find any documentation on this. Correct or not? Seligne (talk) 09:50, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Laos Article Conventions (Feb 2014)
''This is a summary of the conventions used on Laos articles. All are either codified in the Manual of Style or were arrived at by discussion.''

 * Currency: 100 kip (rather than ₭100 or LAK100)
 * Temperature: Celsius
 * Time: 24-hour clock
 * Measurements: Metric
 * Spelling: British English
 * Telephone numbers: Laos mobile numbers start with 20 and should be listed like:

+856 20 654 321 where "856" is the country code for Laos.

Numbers that do not start with 20 are landline numbers and the last 6 digits (conjoined with a hyphen) are the "local" part of a subscriber number:

+856 21 123-456

Seligne (talk) 11:04, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Money updated
I updated the money chapter, as it is now possible to exchange to and from kip in Bangkok.

Asciimov114.129.29.165 08:32, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Introduction needs work
The current introduction just says Laos is very poor. This can use some elaboration as well as pointing to some of the positive features of this country --Andrewssi2 (talk) 02:32, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Banner
The alternate banner could also be considered for Southern Laos. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:27, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

 * The second one is a great photo but the first one is even more distinctive. I would very mildly recommend using the second one for this article and the first for Southern Laos, but I'm by no means sure about that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:53, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

 * The current banner (0) is taken in Northern Laos. Banner 1 is taken in Southern Laos. Apologies if I weren't clear before :-(. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:56, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

 * I prefer the alternate banner, but both are nice. It would be great if we can use whichever one we don't use here in some other article. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:12, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I think the current banner is more distinctive and the alternate banner should be used at Southern Laos. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 20:28, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There is now a new discussion on Talk:Central Laos as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:30, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Notice: Wide-area warning issued for Cambodia, Myanmar and Thailand
In recent months, there is a surge of human trafficking reported in Cambodia, Myanmar and Thailand, where travellers (mainly Taiwanese travellers, Chinese travellers were more common pre-COVID) were tricked by fake job offers, travelled to and abducted in these countries, and forced to work for criminal syndicates like slaves. In response to the trend, I have issued warnings for articles of Cambodia (particularly Sihanoukville), Myanmar (particularly Northern Myanmar) and Thailand.

References (all in Chinese):
 * 柬埔寨人口販賣事件, the article recording the surge on Chinese Wikipedia.
 * Travel warning (highest level) for Cambodia, issued by Taiwanese MFA.
 * Information page by the Taiwanese MFA.
 * News report by Taiwanese investigative journalist The Reporter, covering the background of the surge and involvement of local Taiwanese gangs.
 * News report by Hong Kong newspaper am730.
 * News report by Hong Kong newspaper Ming Pao, illustrating the death of a victim.
 * News report by Hong Kong newspaper Ming Pao highlighting Hong Kong travellers have also fallen into victim, luckily most of them are successfully rescued.
 * News report (in English) by The Diplomat, illustrating the seriousness of the trend.

Please check if there are problems of over-bolding or other grammatical problems, and feel free to add more on advices if necessary.廣九直通車 (talk) 06:41, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

 * Thank you, that's a good addition (the warnings are in 'Work', for anyone else interested). If you haven't already done so, it might be a good idea to add these to zh.wikivoyage.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 07:05, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * This seems horrendous and frightful should definitely be mentioned. Thanks for adding them . Agree with tt! that it might be a good idea to add this to zh.voy. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 11:31, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll keep on my sentry work, just like how I made my first warning on COVID for Wuhan (sigh it's almost 2 years and the pandemic still doesn't come to an end...). Will follow up on Chinese Wikivoyage.廣九直通車 (talk) 11:36, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * While the entire Chinese Wikivoyage is mostly empty (that's why I'm more focused in here), I've also ✅ with the warnings at there: see 柬埔寨, 泰国, 緬甸 and 西哈努克. Perhaps after there are no further comments, this thread should be swept to the corresponding article talk pages.廣九直通車 (talk) 13:27, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

 * We do have some cautionary info at Working_abroad, Common_scams and Volunteer_travel. I wonder if those need to be expanded or if some links should be added either in this article or in those.
 * Certainly variations on the problem are fairly widespread. In my own travels I've encountered:

 * Filipinas trapped in exploitive jobs in Saudi Arabia (1980s, not sure if it still happens). She cannot leave the country without an exit visa and getting that requires the boss's signature. He says she's a lazy bitch & he's not signing. She says he beat or raped her, often both. My advice would be don't go anywhere where you'd need an exit visa to leave.
 * An agency charging Chinese nurses large up-front fees for placements in Canada on domestic servant visas taking care of disabled people, mostly Alzheimer's patients. Salary might have sounded good to a Chinese, but it was much less than you'd get working at McDonald's and hours were much longer.
 * Things I've only heard about include an Indian diplomat in the US mistreating domestic help (Devyani Khobragade incident), Fujian girls being smuggled to Taipei being thrown overboard when the Taiwan Coast Guard caught the boats, Snakehead gangs importing prostitutes to the US. Pashley (talk) 14:56, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Here pickers of wild berries are imported from e.g. south-east Asia. They often have to take loans for the journey. The buyers of the berries arrange visa, travel, accommodation, intro, transport to the woods etc., but usually do not employ them. One year the harvest was weak and the pickers couldn't pay the loans. Volunteers helped them go to court to claim employment, but the pickers couldn't afford to stay during the multiple-year process, so they settled at terms they could live with. The berry-pickers are still not regarded employees, but to get visas for their labour, the buyers now need to guarantee a minimum income (and there are more eyes on lodgings, rents etc.). We have also had a number of outright illegal arrangements, mainly in other trades. The common denominator seems to be loans and threat of being expelled from the country for illegal work, in the cases where it isn't about direct slavery. For those who have an income at home, the risk of being expelled isn't a reason to remain in slavery, but if you have family you cannot feed without the foreign income ... The criminals may also threaten you and your family in your country of origin, especially if the justice is weak there. –LPfi (talk) 20:16, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

I support these warnings. Last night I added caution boxes to Tachileik and Myawaddy  on the same issue. And it is not just targetting individuals who speak Chinese. Malaysian and Indonesian were also targetted by the same group of fraudsters. This merits posting in English to reach as wide audience as possible. I do not think this is the typical "run of the mills" employment scams since those commons scams only want your money. The current scam hold you hostage and force you to work for them. OhanaUnitedTalk page 01:30, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

 * I appreciate these kinds of warnings. They are important. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:54, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Update: It seems that not only aspirant workers are falling victim, criminals are also targeting the average travellers. Some may recruit workers in local front companies and traffic victims en masse using company tours, others may use individualized vacation invitation to lure them to these countries (see this report by HK TV Channel i-Cable), all followed up by abduction. I genuinely don't know when will the criminals resort to random abduction if the situation worsens. Given by such worrying scenario, I have raised the warnings to the top of all these articles. Please advice if this is appropriate or they should be send back to stay safe, regards.廣九直通車 (talk) 11:42, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Also thanks to for leaving proper warning, have upgraded these warnings to warningboxbased on the template's usage guidelines.廣九直通車 (talk) 13:40, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I read that Laos may also be one of the destinations. I propose adding the same warning to Laos. OhanaUnitedTalk page 22:15, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The warningbox at the top of the article should be very brief. Most of the information could be in Work (not necessarily in a warning box), that relevant also for those not intending to find work in Stay safe. Some of this should probably be in Working abroad and Common scams. –LPfi (talk) 06:36, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for 's and your opinion. I have send these warnings back to "Work" and "Stay safe" (if work is not yet created). Though do you think a very brief warning on the top with link to the more detailed warning is OK?廣九直通車 (talk) 04:16, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The warning starts with: Telecommunication fraud, illegal remote gambling are rampant in parts of Thailand and its neighbours, Myanmar and Cambodia. How does this relate to te rest of the info in the warning box? --FredTC (talk) 06:02, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You mean the warning for Thailand? I make special remark on Cambodia and Myanmar, because Thailand is a major transit hub for human traffickers to transit victims from their country to their bases in Cambodia and Myanmar, though criminal bases do exist in Thailand (like the notorious "KK園區", not sure what's its English name). The remainder of the warning focus on common methods used by human traffickers and ways to avoid them. If you have concerns about coherence, please make your point clearer, thank you.廣九直通車 (talk) 09:43, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I mean the "Telecommunication fraud, illegal remote gambling" -part of the text. FredTC (talk) 09:58, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * For that part I tried to lay down the context and background. After all, criminals don't traffic and abduct victims for no reason, they do these because they need to recruit manpower for them.廣九直通車 (talk) 03:16, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

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