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Talk:Ubud

Guide Status of this Article
As I understand it, an article cannot have guide status unless it closely matches the Wikivoyage manual of style. This one does not as virtually all of the listings are not templated but are instead just bulleted text.

There was also no Get Out information but I corrected that.

I have therefore changed status of article to usable. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:31, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

 * It probably used to, but was destroyed by spammers at some point. Other than the chaotic sleep section, I pretty much think it's up to guide status. But seeing that awful mess, you are probably right to demote it. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 09:36, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

 * The article is actually well written and extremely accurate. It is a great shame that it has been somewhat tainted by non-standard sleep listings. Sadly, this seems quite a common problem. With a couple of other Bali articles I have laboriously corrected all the non-templated listings but there are far too many in this article to set about that task. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:40, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Yes, my mistake, I thought it would be up to guide status, but missed the sleep listings. (WT-en) Globe-trotter 10:18, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

 * For a place like Ubud with a zillion hotels, you can just nuke spammy listings on sight — there's no need for more than 5-9 options per price category. I'll do a first sweep. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:56, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Very good Jani. If you do that and there are a manageable number of non-standard listings, I am happy to do any grunt work required to put into a templated format and get this article back to guide status (which it deserves). I have a number of additional good See and Do listings to add as well for major attractions that are missing, (see Central Bali for example. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:09, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

Star nomination discussion
This is probably the single most important of all our Bali articles. Ubud was recently voted the number 1 favourite Asian city destination of Conde Naste Traveller readers, and it has been in the news both because of that, and the hype surrounding the filming of Eat, Pray, Love,.

I think I have done more work on this article than any other in the past 4 or 5 months, and I am now very happy with it and believe it is up to star guide standard. It is a long article and I thank in advance those who make it all the way through! As usual, all comments gratefully received.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:39, 8 March 2010 (EST)

 * Amazing work and admit that i really like it. It seems that i missed a couple of interesting spots at my last stay in Ubud in 2008! So, now my issues.
 * 1) Imho it lacks some contrasts and maybe it would help to have two maps. A more detailed one of the "centre" and a broader overview map for general orientation. I know, it has been discussed but the current map is a compromise we might don't want to have for a star article.
 * 2) Monkey: I strongly suggest to expand the Stay safe section with a warning on Monkey like in Uluwatu because most unwary traveller don't expect to be harassed from them like they actually do.
 * 3) Call me ignorant but this Eat, Pray, Love story crosses my attention the first time. At least in Swiss, Germany etc. Ubud is known for its art, Balinese music performance and as a yoga retreat. I would prefer to have the EPL thing a bit lower in the text as imho it's a bit promotional.
 * 4) Hotels: I spotted a couple typos/spaces etc. Maybe some native speaker has a closer look.
 * 5) Eat: In the splurge section you name the Maya Ubud (best coconut ice in my life and i'm picky) and the ??? for their kitchen as well. Maybe you enter the Restaurants of these hotel as a listing because the Maya definitely proofs the exception of the rule.

I will have a closer look on the weekend but that's the points that catched my eye at first glance. Thanks again, (WT-en) jan 13:39, 10 March 2010 (EST)

 * Support. A pleasure to read, and up to star standards as far as I can tell. Nice sleep section, by the way—it can be really hard to keep coming up with good descriptions for hotels when you have so many in one article!

 * A couple things to be aware of: Most publishing style guides recommend that numbers 1–20 be spelled out when used in prose, other than for times and money (admittedly, though, I have zero knowledge of British publishing standards). Our convention is to write XAM-YPM daily, that is, the daily after the times is requisite. And remember the serial comma ;)

 * Since my complaints were pretty trivial, I just went ahead and made the changes myself. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:17, 10 March 2010 (EST)

 * Support. It does read well and appears to have the listings needed.  I do not know if this disqualifies the article from being a star, but I think it could be improved by adding/expanding intros to some sections and maybe also subsections.  See has no intros at all, and the intros to do and eat are rather short.  In my opinion, listings become more interesting to read, if an introduction has given the reader an idea of what to expect from the listings.  One other thing, are there no other drinking places worth mentioning?,  --(WT-en) ClausHansen 15:36, 10 March 2010 (EST)

 * Whoa. 3 sets of comments overnight! Thank you all very much, really. All very positive, and I am pleased the article reads well. It has been a long job getting it to this stage. Specific comments:

 * The EPL Phenomenon. It is huge jan. I am sure your girlfriend will have heard of this damnable book. Far from being promotional, the info box piece is designed to be quirky, and actually poke fun rather at the hordes of acolytes who have flocked to Ubud seeking redemption, after reading the book. Right at the beginning I call it turgid, which is hardly promotional!

 * Jan, on restaurants in hotels, I do not think we should break the rule in a star article of all places. I have mentioned Maya briefly as it is a great restaurant (pleased you agree!), but it should not be there as a listing when it is already in the sleep section. That is definitely a slippery slope, and not one I would care to take a step on to.

 * Section intros. Claus - let me work a little bit more on those. Good points and well taken.

 * Numbers. Hah:). I will be guided by you there Peter. Certainly the rule I have always used is one to ten as words, 11+ as numbers. That may be a rather old-fashioned British rule of thumb though. Thanks for making the changes, and for the general proofing corrections. LOL on serial commas! I am trying to change a habit of a lifetime, and I at least got some of them :).

 * Map. I am very much of the view that one map should be enough. This one prints in guide book size perfectly, and it is easily readable. If a user opened it and printed on a standard A4 computer printer (much larger than guide book), it is very clear indeed. Big squarish maps are an issue for in-article legibility, but I am not sure what we can do about that. Print-wise though, the map is absolutely fine. I can also say with some confidence that this map is more correct than other Ubud travel maps. The maps I have looked at in LP, Rough Guide and elsewhere all have some howling mistakes. You need local knowledge for the road layout, as well as using public domain map sources, as the latter are not especially accurate for Central Bali.

 * Drinking places. Not really Claus, other than restaurants/cafes. I might be able to add some cafes as bars, and will think about that. I make the point upfront that Ubud is really not a night time drinking place, citing the music curfew. That's not why people go there. You are quite correct though to notice that the drink section is disproportionately short. Let me try to address that at least a little.

 * Monkey warning. Very good point and will do.

 * Thanks again and I will get going on some of that.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 21:36, 10 March 2010 (EST)

 * After Claus' comments, I have added two more cafes which double as bars. This is scraping the barrel a bit though, and that's it for bars! Also updated the map, adding these and a few other recent bits and pieces.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:13, 11 March 2010 (EST)

 * Support Burmesedays: I asked my girl friend and my team assistant and both didn't know EPL. The German Wikipedia only have a brief article about the author so maybe it failed in the german speaking countries. I stayed in the Maya Ubud for three nights and only have praise for them but i understand you don't want to open pandora's box (i remember the Mainski debate on the Nusa Lembongan talk page). Only thing is the map where even my 2006 Lonely Planet already had two maps which where useful and would allow a bit more detail for the center. (WT-en) jan 08:16, 11 March 2010 (EST)

 * Thanks Jan. You should be grateful that EPL has not made it (yet) into the German speaking world :). I did move the info box further down after your earlier comment.  Maya is a great resort, it really is, and I am happy to hear you had a good time there. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 08:34, 11 March 2010 (EST)

 * Support — great job all in all, I'm hard put to find anything at all to improve. Maybe I'm just being a curmudgeon though, but it seems to paint slightly too bright a picture of the town, and I've added in some of the downsides: terrible traffic (in the town center) and poor local transportation, for starters.  It needs at least one picture of central Ubud's ugliness and congestion though, since it's not all terraced rice paddies... (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:01, 12 March 2010 (EST)

 * Support. When I read this, I see I really missed a lot last summer I was there :( :P But it's a great article! I added one more restaurant listing and also made some other small changes if you don't mind (and updated the map). About EPL: I feel exactly the same as jan, here in the Netherlands it is unheard of and even while having visited Ubud, I had never heard of it before. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 07:55, 12 March 2010 (EST)

 * Fair comments Jani. The problems with Bali's infrastructure have been highlighted in other articles, but somehow Ubud escaped. That is wrong and should be addressed. Also, I am so used to these problems these days, I barely notice. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 08:04, 12 March 2010 (EST)
 * Thanks G-t. Proof-reading is not one of my strong points :). Good addition as well.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 08:04, 12 March 2010 (EST)

 * and starified.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:57, 4 April 2010 (EDT)

Bali 3000 closed?
A comment was left to day in article that is has closed. If so, that's the end of the best internet establishment Bali has ever had. The website is still up but they are not answering the phone so I guess it may be true. I will post the listing here just in case. I guess it's a sign of the times - free WiFi is killing off even the best specialist internet cafes. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:35, 30 April 2010 (EDT)
 * is now closed

This page is sold at Amazon as eBook
I was looking for a bali travel guide ebook at amazon and downloaded the sample of this guide: http://www.amazon.de/2011-Ubud-Travel-Guide-ebook/dp/B004TSJ88O/ref=sr_1_3?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1312391521&sr=1-3

It's just this wiki page and it is being sold for 2,99 EUR. I don't know if this is legit... —The preceding comment was added by 91.49.63.164 (talk • contribs)

 * Yes, if a bit shady. Our Copyleft allows anyone to use our travel guides for any purpose.  The hope is that the information will be spread far and wide.  (WT-en) LtPowers 16:58, 3 August 2011 (EDT)

Comments from MastaHanky
Great article - I'm in Ubud now and am updating a few minor things here and there to keep things accurate. I also added one more restaurant listing (Cafe Clear) because there weren't any vegetarian/vegan-friendly options listed in the Eat section.--(WT-en) MastaHanky 06:39, 19 September 2011 (EDT)

Resort photos
Ran across an article with some stunning photos of an Ubud resort: http://luxduck.com/stacked-infinity-pools-bali-rainforest-pics/

Similar photos here would be nice. Pashley (talk) 15:38, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Tour listing moved from article
This tour listing has a clearly promotional tone, but I also seriously doubt this tour gives "value added" as defined at Tour:

Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:11, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

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tarasnake 04:21, 7 January 2012 (EST)tarasnake No ides why extraordinary experience was deleted by a gardener from manhattan

 * My occupation is not at issue, nor is where I come from. As I said (more briefly) in my editing summary, you need to click this link and read it: Tour. However, I think External links is actually more relevant. Now, taking a third look (having discovered that most of the buttons on your site are currently non-functional, at least in my browser), I think the biggest problem is that your listing and your page are both confusing. If you can write a listing that actually describes, briefly but clearly, what the retreats consist of, it might be OK. However, if your site eventually becomes a portal, it will run afoul of the external links policy.

 * All the best,

 * (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 04:47, 7 January 2012 (EST)

thanks for the tips... i m still a garden walker in wiki tarasnake 07:43, 9 January 2012 (EST)tarasnake from the article i guess i should remove the booking aspect which is actually free or registration form in web site...

Soul Meet Cafe
It looks like this place has closed down, according to the directions (big green building next to walking bridge?). The place looked abandoned as of June 2012.
 * Thanks. I have removed it for now. If it turns out to be open after all, hopefully, someone can reinstate.

Here is the listing:

 * Very recenty opened. Perfect food, beautiful view of the Old Town and Lake, great atmosphere. If you have a quiet word with the owner, King he'll be able to provide you with excellent fresh fish..

Tasks
This seems like a pretty weak Guide article right now. I just did a bunch of detouting in the "Sleep" section, but I am guessing that there are other sections that should be looked at with an eye toward possible detouting or/and copy editing. But what's obvious at a glance is that there is no pagebanner, and for an article in which hotels want to tout all kinds of panoramic views of the Old City, palaces, havelis, lakes, and the nearby Aravali mountain range, there are precious few images. So anyone who would like to make a nice pagebanner (conceivably from the horizontal panorama which — until I deleted it — was stuck, barely visible as a default-sized thumbnail with with no caption showing on the page, although there might well be a better source for a banner than this) would be doing a world of good, or you could choose to read one section of the article for possible copy editing and detouting, or insert one or two great images you found on Commons. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:57, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Udaipur now has a nice pagebanner, but Udaipur Division has none. Would this be useful source material for a banner for that page? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:14, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Deletions
I'm unsure whether all of these deletions improved the article. I do think that some of the deleted prose was too purple, but I have doubts that the best solution was to delete all of it. I don't think we want to make the tone or our articles too dry. Was this really bad? ''Udaipur, the capital of the former princely state of Mewar, is a beautiful city in Rajasthan, India famous for its lakes and palaces. A current tourist favorite, especially for up-market Westerners, it was a backdrop for numerous movies including the James Bond flick "Octopussy".''

''Udaipur is referred to as the "Venice of the East", the "Most Romantic City of India" and the "Kashmir of Rajasthan" (a reference to Dal Lake) and not without reason. Tourists flock to this enchanting old & modern town in the heart of the Aravalli Mountains, which offers three interconnected lakes within the town - the Fateh Sagar Lake, the Lake Pichhola and the smaller Swaroop Sagar Lake, along with forts, palaces, temples, gardens, mountains and narrow lanes lines withdrawn with stalls.''

Perhaps Udaipur isn't called any of those nicknames; I don't really know. But a bit of promotion for why a city is a good place to consider visiting is not a bad thing, if the city deserves the praise.

What do you all think? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:05, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Hotel used in film?
The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel has "most of the filming took place in the Indian state of Rajasthan, including the cities of Jaipur and Udaipur. Ravla Khempur, an equestrian hotel which was originally the palace of a tribal chieftain in the village of Khempur, was chosen as the site for the film hotel." See also Ravla Khempur.

Worth a mention here? In the region article? Fiction tourism? Pashley (talk) 12:09, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

 * From a Facebook discussion of the film:
 * I've stayed a couple of times in the hotel - called the Ravla Khempur, near Mavli, 40 Kms east of Udaipur. Magical place, and for us visitors a chance to see (and sometimes join in) traditional Indian life in the surrounding village.
 * Sounds like it is worth adding. Pashley (talk) 12:19, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

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Tiger
Misleading advertising to the contrary, there are no Perth-Udon flights, you need to change planes in Sing. (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:27, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

Guff from TAT for this province
All moved to Talk:Udon Thani/Listings for future reference.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:55, 6 February 2010 (EST)

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TAT listings dump

Amphoe Mueang Udon Thani
The Monument of Krommaluang Prachaksinlapakhom (อนุสาวรีย์พระเจ้าบรมวงศ์เธอ กรมหลวงประจักษ์ศิลปาคม) This Monument is in the heart of Udon Thani city. Born in 1856 as a son of King Rama IV (Phrabat Somdet Phra Chomklaochaoyuhua) and the King’s Consort Sangwan (Chao Chom Manda Sangwan), Major General Prince Prachaksinlapakhom (Phon Tri Phra Chao Borommawongthoe Krommaluang Prachaksinlapakhom), as a regent to King Rama V, ruled the Northern Circle (later called the “Udon Circle”) during 1893 – 1899. As the founder of Udon town in 1893, he set out the civil administration order and served important official duties for the public benefits. The Monument symbolizes the highest tribute paid to the prince by the people of Udon Thani and the ceremony to worship him is held on 18 January every year.

Nong Prachaksinlapakhom Public Park (สวนสาธารณะหนองประจักษ์ศิลปาคม) Located in the Udon Thani Municipality, this giant pond has existed before the establishment of Udon Thani town. Lying to the west of the town, it was formerly called “Nong Na Klue” (pond of salty water) and later changed to “Nong Prachak” in honor of Major General HRH Prince Prachaksinlapakhom, the founder of Udon Thani town. In 1987, the Udon Thani Municipality improved the pond as a royal tribute to King Rama IX on the auspicious occasion of his 50th birthday anniversary. On an island in the pond, a small garden is filled with decorative and flowering plants, and there is a bridge linking the island with the mainland. Within the park, there is a fountain, a clock tower, and a playground. It serves as a place of recreation and exercise for the public.

Wat Phothisomphon (วัดโพธิสมภรณ์) This temple is on Pho Si Road in Tambon Mak Khaeng. It was built in the late reign of King Rama V. Maha Ammat Tri Phraya Sisuriyaratchawaranuwat (Phothi Netiphothi), Lord Lieutenant of the Udon Circle persuaded the villagers of Mak Khaeng to build the temple, which was commonly called “Wat Mai.” Later, Phra Chao Worawongthoe Krommaluang Chinnawonsiriwat, the Supreme Patriarch, Wat Ratchabophitsathitmahasimaram, named the temple as “Wat Phothisomphon,” to commemorate Phraya Sisuriyaratchawaranuwat, the temple builder. Inside, there is also a museum of revered monks famous for meditation.

Udon Thani Museum (พิพิธภัณฑ์เมืองอุดร) Located on Pho Si Road in Rachinuthit Building, this museum was initiated by Mr. Chaiporn Ratananaka, governor of Udon Thani province. It displays background aspects of Udon Thani, ranging from history, archaeology, natural science, geology, folk history, arts and culture, to the biography and honorable deeds of Krommaluang Prachaksinlapakhom, the founder of Udon Thani town. Opening hours are from 08.30 – 16.30 hrs. Admission fees: 10 Baht for adults and 5 Baht for children.

Wat Matchimawat (วัดมัชฌิมาวาส) This temple is in Tambon Mak Khaeng. During the reign of King Rama V, Krommaluang Prachaksinlapakhom commanded the construction of a new temple to replace Wat Non Mak Khaeng, the old deserted temple, and named it “Wat Matchimawat.” Within its Wihan building, there is a white stone Buddha image under Naga (serpent) protection, or commonly known as “Luangpho Nak,” which has been highly respected by the people of Udon Thani.

Chaopu – Chaoya Chinese Spirit Shrine (ศาลเจ้าปู่-ย่า) This large and beautiful Chinese spirit shrine is on Nittayo Road behind the train station near Nong Bua Market. Here, there is a small garden beside a lotus pond. Two Chinese pavilions stand in the pond, serving as a view point in pleasant and shady surroundings. The golden dragon of 99 m long, to be used during the Thung Si Mueang annual fair in December, is also kept here.

Udorn Sunshine Orchid Farm (สวนกล้วยไม้หอมอุดรซันไฌน์) This farm is located at 127 Mu 5, Soi Kamon Watthana. It is a nursery of Udorn Sunshine, a new fragrant Thai orchid species from cross-breeding Vanda with Josephine Van Berrow. The flower was registered as “Udorn Sunshine Orchid” or “Miss Udorn Sunshine” for a copyright with the World Orchid Society in the United Kingdom in 1988. Its scent is extracted to make perfume which is branded for sale with its species name. Opening hours are 07.00 – 18.00 hrs. Admission fee is 20 Baht per person. For more information, contact Tel. 0 4224 2475.

Travel: From town, drive along Highway No. 2 (Udon Thani – Nong Khai) for 5 km and turn left to Highway No. 2024. The signpost to the farm is on your left.

Wat Pa Ban Tat (วัดป่าบ้านตาด) This temple is in Tambon Ban Tat. It covers an area of approximately 163 rai and generally features a shady forest. Inside its compound, wild animals are in abundance: pheasant, red jungle fowl, birds, squirrel, tree shrew, common wild pig etc. The temple is also a residence of Phra Achan Maha Bua Yannasampanno, the revered Buddhist master of meditation and a follower of Phra Achan Man Phurithatto, the late master. Here is an ideal place for those who determine to practise Dharma (Lord Buddha’s teachings).

Travel: From town, drive along Highway No. 2 (Udon Thani – Khon Kaen) then turn right at Ban Khong Kheng intersection and go further for about 9 km. The temple is not far from the community of Ban Tat.

Wat Thipphayaratnimit (วัดทิพยรัฐนิมิตร) This temple is on Naresuan Road, Tambon Mak Khaeng, off the main road into Soi San Chao Mae Thapthim and opposite to a polytechnic school. It is another forest temple in the area of Amphoe Mueang and has a pleasant shady atmosphere. There is a large pagoda which contains Lord Buddha’s relics. The pagoda is shaped like “Thanan,” a utensil used in ancient times to scoop Lord Buddha’s relics. A portrait of Luang Pu Thira Chitthammo, the present abbot, is displayed with basic living utensils for Buddhist monks in the pavilion. On the fourteenth waxing moon day of the twelfth lunar month, Thot Kathin (robe offering ceremony) and merit making to celebrate the abbot’s birthday anniversary are held every year.

Ban Na Kha (บ้านนาข่า) Located 16 km from town along the Udon Thani – Nong Khai route (Highway No. 2), this village is on your right, opposite the Na Kha Community School. There is Khit-cloth weaving here and Khit-cloth products are available at reasonable prices. Travel to this village can be made by bus from a bus stop in front of Udon Thani Rajabhat University and Rang-sina Market.

Huai Luang Reservoir (อ่างเก็บน้ำห้วยหลวง) This reservoir is on the Udon Thani – Nong Bua Lam Phu Highway, off the main road at Km 108 for another 9 km. It is a large reservoir covering an area of about 20,000 rai, for the purposes of agriculture, fishery, and waterworks under the responsibility of the Royal Irrigation Department, Ministry of Agriculture and Co-operatives. As a tourist attraction, a scenic landscape is offered with a royal palace of the late Princess Mother. Prior contact is required for those to visit the place.

Amphoe Ban Phue
Phu Phra Bat Historical Park (อุทยานประวัติศาสตร์ภูพระบาท) This historical park is located at the foot of Mount Phu Phan, covering an area of 3,430 rai in Ban Tio, Tambon Mueang Phan. It displays the civilisation of mankind and changes in landscape of which structure is mostly composed of sandstone having been eroded by nature to become rock formations of different sizes and patterns. There are various interesting places as evidence of human life in the past:

 * Phra Phutthabat Bua Bok This Buddha’s footprint, built during 1920 – 1934, is on the left side of the way to the park headquarters. “Bua Bok” is a name of the plant growing in the forest and having leaves in the shape of a lotus leaf, locally called “Phak Nok.” The plant was abundant in the area where the Buddha’s footprint was found, so it has become the name of the place, or the name may originate from the words “Bo Bok,” which mean “not being dry.” The footprint features a bowl of around 60 cm deep in the rocky ground, 1.93 m. long and 90 cm wide. Formerly, a Mondop structure was built to house the footprint. In 1922, Phra Achan Sithat Suwanmacho replaced the Mondop with a pagoda called Phra That Chedi, and created a replica of the footprint to put on the existing one. The pagoda where Lord Buddha’s relics are contained is in the shape of an angular lotus similar to Phra That Phanom. A fair to pay homage to Phra Phutthabat Bua Bok is held during the thirteenth waxing moon day to the full moon day of the third lunar month every year.

 * Phra Phutthabat Lang Tao This Buddha’s footprint is located to the south of Phra Phuttabat Bua Bok. It is around 25 cm deep in the rocky ground and has a lotus image carved in relief in the centre. Since it is behind a stone shelter that looks like a turtle (Tao), the footprint is called “Phra Phuttabat Lang Tao.”

 * Caves and Stone Shelters There is a scattering of caves and stone shelters within walking distance in the park area, such as Tham Lai Mue (Lai Mue Cave), Tham Non Sao-e (Non Sao-e Cave), Tham Wua Daeng (Wua Daeng Cave) etc. (These caves were presumed to be a shelter of people in the Stone Age, and they drew figures of things, such as humans, hand, animals, and geometric designs, found in the caves. Stone shelters beautifully created by nature include Khok Ma Thao Barot, Ho Nang Usa, and Bo Nam Nang Usa. There is also a nice rocky ground called “Lan Hin Non Sao-e.” These rocky formations enhanced an imagination of the generations after the era to compose the folk legend “Nang Usa – Thao Barot.” In addition, fragments of boundary stone posts and sandstone carved into a Dvaravati-styled Buddha image were found at the stone shelters: Phoeng Hin Wat Pho Ta and Phoeng Hin Wat Luk Khoei.

Inside the park, a visitor centre offers information and maps. For more information, contact Tel. 0 4291 0107. Opening hours: 08.00 – 16.30 hrs. Admission fee: 30 Baht. The park is 67 km from town. Drive along Highway No. 2 (Udon Thani – Nong Khai), and turn left at Km 13 to Highway No. 2021. Head for Amphoe Ban Phue for 42 km, turn right and go on for 500 m. Drive straight along Highway No. 2348 for another 12 km and turn right for approximately 2 km before reaching the park.

Phra Phutthabat Bua Ban (พระพุทธบาทบัวบาน) Located on a hill in Tambon Mueang Phan, this is a site where there is an ancient Buddha’s footprint housed in the Ubosot (ordination hall). Many pieces of Bai Sema (boundary stone) were excavated here. They were made of sandstone and carved into images of Thewada (male spirit) and Apsara (woman spirit), which is a mixture of Dvaravati and Lop Buri arts.

Wat Pa Ban Kho (วัดป่าบ้านค้อ) This temple is in Tambon Khuea Nam. Here, there is Phra Maha That Chedi Chaloem Barami Phra Nawamin, a pagoda that contains Lord Buddha’s relics. Inside the pagoda, sculptures depict the history of Lord Buddha, jataka stories, and Buddha images in different attitudes. The temple is ideal for practitioners of Dharma (Buddha’s teachings). It has been designated by the Udon Thani Administration Office as the Udon Thani Chaloem Phra Kiat Mind Development Centre. Both Thais and foreigners usually come to practise Dharma here.

Travel: From town, drive along Highway No. 2 (Udon Thani – Nong Khai), turn left at Km 13 to Highway No. 2021 (Udon Thani – Ban Phue) and go further for 20 km. Then, turn right and take another 3 km towards the temple.

Amphoe Nam Som
Na Yung – Nam Som National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาตินายูงน้ำโสม) This national park is in Ban Sawang, Mu 2, Tambon Na Yung. Attractions of the park are:

Namtok Yung Thong(น้ำตกยูงทอง) This waterfall is on the ridge of Mount Phu Phan and Mount Phu Ya U, around 500 m from the park headquarters. Its stream flows along attractive complicated boulders amid the greenery of trees. The small three- tiered waterfall has a pond where visitors can play. In the past, it was a habitat of peafowl, so the waterfall is called “Yung Thong” (golden peafowl).

Pha Daeng Viewpoint (จุดชมวิวผาแดง) This viewpoint is around 1,500 m from the park headquarters and on the nature study trail of Namtok Yung Thong. Pha Daeng is a high steep sandstone cliff overlooking a beautiful panoramic view. Not far from Pha Daeng, there is a small cave where Luang Pu Man Phurithatto used to stay for insight development.

Namtok Yung Thong Nature Study Trail (เส้นทางศึกษาธรรมชาติน้ำตกยูงทอง) This walking trail is to offer nature interpretation for visitors along the way through Namtok Yung Thong, Namtok Tat Noi, and Pha Daeng viewpoint, covering the distance of around 2,000 m. Travel: From town, go along Udon Thani – Nong Khai Highway for 15 km. Turn left to Amphoe Ban Phue and head for Amphoe Nam Som. Turn right at Ban Sam Liam to Amphoe Na Yung and go further for around 15 km. Turn right at Ban Sawang and take another 2 km towards the park headquarters.

Amphoe Nong Han
Ban Chiang National Museum (พิพิธภัณฑสถานแห่งชาติ บ้านเชียง) This museum is in Ban Chiang, Tambon Ban Chiang. It is an important historical site of Northeast Thailand and Southeast Asia. The Fine Arts Department surveyed and excavated the Ban Chiang archaeological site during 1974-1975. The evidence found revealed the pre-historical age of the site of around 5,600 -1,800 years ago. The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) registered the site as a World Heritage Site of history at Carthage, Tunisia in December 1992. The museum is divided into three parts:

 * Part I: Wat Pho Si Nai Excavation Pit (หลุมขุดค้นวัดโพธิ์ศรีใน) This features an open museum, the first of its kind in Thailand. There is a permanent exhibition of archaeological excavation for visitors to witness art objects in layers of soil; most of them are earthenware being buried with the corpses.

This building displays an exhibition of Ban Chiang which was once brought to display in the United States and Singapore. The exhibition has two segments: Ban Chiang in the Past, encompassing ancient objects and evidence found in the excavation of the Ban Chiang archaeological site; and Today’s Ban Chiang, describing the way of life, tools, utensils, and folk arts. In addition, there is a briefing room, film and still screening, and other educational services.
 * Part II: Somdet Phra Srinagarindra Borommaratchachonnani Building (อาคารสมเด็จพระศรีนครินทราบรมราชชนนี)

 * Part III:* Ban Thai Phuan (บ้านไทพวน) This house is 700 m away from Ban Chiang National Museum. Formerly, it belonged to Mr. Phot Montriphithak who gave it to the Fine Arts Department. This area is an ancient site where archaeological excavation was conducted and many ancient objects were found. Their Majesties the King and Queen visited the place on 20 March, 1972.

Travel: From Udon Thani town, the total distance is around 55 km. Take Highway No. 22 (Udon Thani – Sakon Nakhon). After slightly passing the intersection to Amphoe Ban Dung, a signpost to the museum is on your left. Go on for around 8.2 km before reaching the museum. It opens daily from 09.00 – 17.00 hrs. Admission fee: 30 Baht. For more information, contact Tel. 0 4220 8340 – 41.

Amphoe Ban Dung
Kham Chanot (คำชะโนด) Located at Wat Sirisuttho in Tambon Wang Thong, this sacred place gains respect from villagers in neighbouring areas. It is said to be an entrance to the water world, a legendary place concerning the great Naga (serpent) according to a belief among Lao and Isan villagers. Nowadays, the place is densely covered with Chanot trees, which resemble a mixture of palm and coconut trees. Inside, there is a shrine of Chaopu Sisuttho and a sacred well for worship. Travel: From Udon Thani town, the total distance is around 101 km. Take the Udon Thani – Sakon Nakhon route and turn left to Amphoe Ban Dung, for 84 km. From Amphoe Ban Dung, drive on another 17 km before reaching Kham Chanot.

Amphoe Kumphawapi
Phrathat Don Kaeo or Phra Maha That Chedi (พระธาตุดอนแก้ว หรือพระมหาธาตุเจดีย์) Located in Mu 5, Ban Don Kaeo, this pagoda stands in the centre of Wat Maha That Chedi (Wat Phrathat Don Kaeo). It is an angular pagoda resembling Phrathat Phanom, with a height of over 18 wa. The main body was built into 2 tiers: each has sculptures of Lord Buddha’s history and heaven – hell story. This square sandstone pagoda is around 1 sok long and has an outer mortared surface. It was presumed that Wat Phrathat Don Kaeo, Bai Sema (boundary stone), and Sao Hin (stone post) were built in around 12 – 13 A.D. Travel: From Udon Thani town, take Highways No. 2 and No. 2350 to Amphoe Kumphawapi. Turn left at the natural garden and drive on for another 3.4 km. The total distance is 50 km from Amphoe Mueang.

Amphoe Nong Saeng
Namtok Than Ngam Forest Park (วนอุทยานน้ำตกธารงาม) This forest park is in Tambon Nong Saeng in the forest areas of Khun Huai Sam Thak and Khun Huai Kong Si, covering an area of 78,125 rai. It was declared as a forest park on 19 December, 1984. Around Than Ngam Waterfall is Mixed Deciduous Forest; major species are Ta baek, Pradu, Daeng, Makha mong, Chingchan, and Krabok. The waterfall contains water at certain times; there is a lot of water during the rainy season. Interesting points in the forest park include a cliff, a beautiful cave and a stone ground. The stone ground, or commonly called “Lae,” covers a large area with a scattering of overlapping giant rocks, and overlooks a scenic view. No accommodation is provided by the park.

Accommodation: Visitors are required to bring their own tents for an overnight stay. For more information, contact Tel. 0 4222 1725.

Travel: The park is 6 km away from Amphoe Nong Saeng. Three routes are available:

 * Route I   Udon Thani – Ban Lao – Khok Lat – Amphoe Nong Saeng, totalling around 35 km.

 * Route II  Udon Thani – Ban Kham Kling – Ban Tat – Amphoe Nong Saeng, totalling around 30 km.

 * Route III   Udon – Thani – Huai Koeng – Amphoe Nong Saeng, totalling around 60 km.

Phu Foi Lom (ภูฝอยลม) This ecotourism site is in Pa Phan Don – Pakho National Forest Reserve, covering an area of 192,350 rai on the Phu Phan Noi Range in Tambon Thap Kung. It is considered as one of the best nature study centres of the Northeast region: there are demonstration beds of plants, the Garden of Wild Plants in Celebration of Her Majesty the Queen’s Sixtieth Birthday Anniversary and a viewpoint overlooking Udon Thani town. Accommodation and camping sites are available for an overnight stay. For more information, contact Tel. 0 4224 6715, 0 4291 0935-6. Travel:  Drive along the Udon Thani – Loei route and take a turn at Km 9 to Ban Lao.

Amphoe Wang Sam Mo
Wang Sam Mo Forest Park (วนอุทยานวังสามหมอ) This forest park is in Tambon Nong Kung Thap Ma in Pa Bayao – Pa Hua Na Kham – Pa Nong Kung Thap Ma – Pa Na Yung – Pa Nong Ya Sai National Forest Reserve. It was declared as a forest park on 19 January, 1984, covering an area of around 18,750 rai. Most of the area is a plain being covered with Pa Daeng or Deciduous Dipterocarp Forest, Yang, and Ta khian thong. There are creeks and islets where water flows all year round. Wild animals found are Malayan flying lemur, palm civet, civet, green pigeon, etc.

Interesting places include:

 * Wang Yai (วังใหญ่) This large pond has water flowing all year round. Lam Phan Chat creek flows through the pond where there are rapids and boulders amid a cool atmosphere suitable for recreation. Visitors can play in the pond or do activities: whitewater rafting, paddling and fishing.

 * Kaeng Mon Noi (แก่งมนน้อย) These rapids are around 800 m away from Wang Yai pond, along Lam Phan Chat creek. Cascades against boulders which were eroded by water form beautiful waterfalls at certain points along their course.

More ponds and rapids, such as Kaeng Khan, Wang Kaeng Kham, Wang Mak Lam, etc. can be admired in the park.
 * Kaeng Hin Hom (แก่งหินฮอม) These large split-level rapids are around 100 m from Kaeng Mon Noi. The resonant roar is heard in the distance during the rainy season when there is a lot of downpour.

Accommodation: No accommodation is provided by the park. Visitors are required to take their own tents for an overnight stay. Contact the chief of the Wang Sam Mo Forest Park for advance permission. For further information, contact the National Park, Wildlife and Plant Conservation Department, Tel. 0 2562 0760.

Travel: From Udon Thani town, take the Kumphawapi – Si That – Wang Sam Mo route (Highway No. 2023). Turn left to Highway No. 227 and drive on to Tambon Nong Kung Thap Ma. Follow the lane of the main road towards the park for 9 km. The park is 20 km away from Amphoe Wang Sam Mo. The total distance from Udon Thani town is 120 km.

Amphoe Kut Chap
Tham Sing (ถ้ำสิงห์) This lion cave is on the Phu Phan Range in Ban Nong Charoen, Mu 7. Attractions inside the cave are:

Sam Ton Mak (ซำต้นหมาก) This is an area where a lot of betel palm trees grow. During the rainy season, the area is always flooded. Villagers usually take their cattle to lap water here. It is a shady and pleasant place.

Lan Thap Khwai (ลานทับควาย) This is a broad ground with a roof-shaped rock formation and surrounding wild plants. Lan Thap Khwai literally means a cattle rest ground. In the old days, villagers brought their cattle to feed and took shelter here for a lunch break.

Tham Khok Ma (ถ้ำคอกม้า) This stable cave is a shelter of overlapping rock formations with a hole that a person can walk through. Its name relates to the legend of Usa-Barot.

Tham Ruesi (ถ้ำฤาษี) This hermit cave features a boulder of 2.20 m high with an entrance in the shape of a shelter of overlapping rock formations.

Other interesting places are Bo Nam Phayanak, Tham Sahai Kep Sabiang, Lat Khom, Lat Kha Noi, Bo Nam Manora, Tham Nok Yung, Suan Hin Mahaisawan, etc.

Travel: The cave is 45 km away from Udon Thani town. Take Highway No. 2263 (Udon Thani – Kut Chap). Pass Ban Nong Khong, Ban Nong Charoen, and Ban Nong Mek. Turn left at the T-junction of Wat Charoen Sattha Samakkhi to the Phu Lon Sangha abode. Go further for around 3 km to the foot of Mount Phu Phan and walk another 3 km to the cave.

Golf Course

 * Charoensri Driving Range (เจริญศรี ไดร์วิ่งเรสจ์) Udon Thani – Sakon Nakhon Road. Tel. 0 4222 3533.

 * Srithani Golf Forest (ศรีธานี กอล์ฟ ฟอร์เรส) on the route to Wat Pa Ban Tat. Tel. 0 4229 2330 – 1.

 * Air Division 23 Golf Course (สนามกอล์ฟ กองบิน ๒๓) Air Division 23,  Thahan Road, Tambon Mak Khaeng. Tel. 0 4222 1111, 0 4222 1605 ext. 45456.

 * Nong Samrong Golf Course (สนามกอล์ฟ หนองสำโรง)   the Military Camp Ro. 13 Phan 2, Udon Thani – Nong Samrong Road. Tel. 0 4222 2927.
 * Udon Golf Club and Resort (อุดรกล์ฟคลับ แอนด์ รีสอร์ท)  Km. 18, Udon Thani Road. Tel. 0 4291 0210.

Festival
Phra Phutthabat Bua Bok Worship Fair (งานนมัสการพระพุทธบาทบัวบก) This annual fair is held during the13th – 15th waxing moon days of the 3rd lunar month with booths of goods and local products for sale. Many visitors from Udon Thani and nearby provinces come to join the fair.

Thung Si Mueang Udon Thani and Mi-khit Cloth Fair (งานทุ่งศรีเมืองอุดรธานีผ้าหมี่ขิต) This annual fair is held around December. There are booths of goods and local products, such as silk cloth, Khit-pattern woven cloth, hand – woven cloth, Mi-Khit cloth, and a golden dragon show from the Chaopu – Chaoya Chinese Spirit Shrine.

Local Product and Souvenir
Khit-pattern cloth, silk cloth, pottery, Kun Chiang (Chinese sausage), Mu Yong (pork floss), Mu Yo (steamed pork bar), Naem (sour pork) and Maphrao Kaeo (coconut sweet).

Souvenir Shop

 * Chipatha (จิปาถะ) 7/39 Mukkhamontri Road. Tel. 0 4224 1773 (products: pottery, clocks).
 * Chuan Mai Thai (ชวนไหมไทย) 2 Mu 13, opposite to Ban Chiang Museum, Amphoe Nong Han. Tel. 0 4220 8243, 0 4220 8019.
 * Mi-chai (มีชัย) 206 – 208 Pho Si Road. Tel. 0 4222 2838 (products: souvenirs).
 * Bai Mon (ใบหม่อน) 146 Soi Maha Mit, Thahan Road. Tel. 0 4224 4011.
 * Fai Suai – Khram Ngam (ฝ้ายสวย-ครามงาม) Ban Na Kha Cotton-Cloth Weaving Group. Tel. 0 4221 8020, 0 4785 7659.
 * Phrathammakhan (พระธรรมขันต์) 183 Mak Khaeng Road. Tel. 0 4222 1154, 0 4224 4255 (products: silk cloth, Phrae Wa cloth, Khit cloth, cotton cloth).
 * Maphrao Kaeo Chanphen (มะพร้าวแก้วจันทร์เพ็ญ)  Prachak Road. Tel. 0 4224 6516 (products: Maphrao Kaeo (products: coconut sweet, honey banana, Mu Yo (steamed pork bar), Naem (sour pork)).
 * Maphrao Kaeo Rewadi (มะพร้าวแก้วเรวดี)  123/1 Prachak Road. Tel. 0 4224 4193 (products: coconut sweet, Mu Yo (steamed pork bar)).
 * Lady Arcade (เลดี้ อาเขต) 201 Pho Si Road. Tel. 0 4222 2839.
 * Mi-khit (หมี่ขิต) 190 Udon – Nong Khai Road, Ban Kai Thuean. Tel. 0 4224 6099.
 * Mae Pa Pha Fai (แม่ปา ผ้าฝ้าย) 169 Ban Na Kha, Tambon Na Kha. Tel. 0 4221 8106, 0 4220 6104.
 * Mu Yo Nai Toem (หมูยอนายเติม) 324/5 – 6 Mak Khaeng Road. Tel. 0 4222 3835, 0 4224 0436 (products: Kun Chiang (Chinese sausage), Mu Yo (steamed pork bar), Naem (sour pork)).
 * Mu Yo Phonthip (หมูยอพรทิพย์) 331 Mak Khaeng Road. Tel. 0 4222 3407.
 * Mu Yo Mae Uan (หมูยอแม่อ้วน) 11/12 Sang Luang Road. Tel. 0 4224 6305 (products: Mu Yo (steamed pork bar), Isan-styled sausage, Kun Chiang (Chinese sausage)).
 * Naem Parinya (แหนมปริญญา) 287/2 Pho Si Road. Tel. 0 4222 1262, 0 4224 0114 (products: Mu Yo (steamed pork bar), Mu Yong (pork floss), Isan-styled sausage, Kun Chiang (Chinese sausage), Naem (sour pork)).
 * Mai Thai (ไหมไทย) 43/43 Si Suk Road. Tel. 0 4224 5700 (products: ready-to-wear silk and Matmi clothes).
 * Udon Bo–Phin Trachu (อุดรโบ-พิน ตราชู) 129 Udon – Nong Samrong Road. Tel. 0 4224 5618 (products: ready-to-wear silk clothes, pottery).

Travel Agent

 * Kannika Tour (กรรณิการ์ ทัวร์) 36/9 Si Sattha Road. Tel. 0 4224 0443, 0 4224 2871.
 * Thinnakon Tour (ทินกร ทัวร์)  11/35 Benchang Road, Soi Benchang 2. Tel. 0 4232 4298, 0 1661 0883.
 * Tho Saeng Travel (ทอแสง ทราเวล)  546/2 Pho Si Road. Tel. 0 4224 8677.
 * Nice Di Travel (ไนท์ ดี ทราเวล)    97/15 Si Chom Chuen Road, Tambon Mak Khaeng. Tel. 0 4232 8127, 0 1975 8475.
 * Phontrakun Tour (Thara Air Sky) (พรตระกูล ทัวร์) 459 Mu 1, Thahan Road, Tambon Mak Khaeng. Tel. 0 4234 2334 – 5, 0 4224 7506.
 * Sirisakun Tour (สิริสกุล ทัวร์) 125/15 Big C intersection. Tel. 0 4224 6808, 0 6636 6814.
 * Aranya Tour (อรัญญา ทัวร์) 2 Mu 3, Udon – Khon Kaen Road. Tel. 0 4224 3182, 0 4234 7320.
 * Ultinet Tour (อัลติเนต ทัวร์) 6/5 Si Sattha Road. Tel. 0 4224 8606, 0 4234 4041.
 * On Time N E (ออนไทม์ เอ็น อี) 539/72 Pho Si Road, Tambon Mak Khaeng. Tel. 0 4224 7792 – 3.

Car Rental

 * Counter Budget (เคาน์เตอร์ บัดเจ็ต) 224 Udon – Nong Bua Lam Phu Road, Tambon Mak Khaeng, Udon Thani Airport. Tel. 0 4224 6805, 0 9841 4753.
 * Nice Rot Chao (ไนท์ รถเช่า) 8/3, beside Udon Thani Road. Tel. 0 9419 5108.
 * Mae Si Tour (แม่ศรี ทัวร์) 37/17 Si Sattha Road. Tel. 0 4222 1856.
 * Siriphon Travel (สิริพร ทราเวล) 116/1 Ban Nong Kham, Tambon Nong Bua. Tel. 0 4232 1644, 0 1768 8035.
 * Sirisakun Tour (สิริสกุล ทัวร์)   125/15 Mu 4, Udon Thani – Sakon Nakhon Road, Tambon Non Khon Kwang. Tel. 0 4224 6808, 0 6636 6814.
 * Udonkaeo Tour (อุดรแก้ว ทัวร์) Tel. 0 4224 4747.
 * Udonkhwanchai Tour (อุดรขวัญใจ ทัวร์) 232/13 Udondutsadi Road. Tel. 0 4224 1298.
 * Udonrattanachai (อุดรรัตนชัย) 14/8 Pracharaksa Road. Tel. 0 4224 6621.

Itinerary
Day Trip

Programme I	City Tour

 * Give morning alms at Wat Pa Ban Tat, Luangta Maha Bua Yannasampanno.
 * Pay respect to Chaopu – Chaoya Chinese spirit Shrine.
 * Worship the Udon Thani City Pillar Shrine.
 * Visit Udorn Shunshine Orchid Farm, witness “Sao Noi Udorn” dancing plants, and buy Udorn Sunshine perfume.
 * Sample an Isan-styled meal in town.
 * Drop by Ban Na Kha for buying silk, cotton, and Mi-khit cloth.
 * Travel back to town.
 * Visit Nong Prachak in the evening.

Programme II	Ban Chiang - Kham Chanot

 * Depart from Udon Thani town for Ban Chiang.
 * Witness pottery making at Ban Kham O, and painting at Ban Pulu.
 * Visit Wat Pho Si Nai archaeological excavation pit.
 * Visit Ban Chiang National Museum.
 * Lunch.
 * Proceed to Amphoe Ban Dung.
 * Visit Pa Chanot (Chanot Forest) covering an area of 20 rai and hear the story of ghosts there.
 * Travel back to town.

Programme III	Phu Phra Bat - Namtok Yung Thong

 * Travel from Udon Thani town to Phu Phra Bat Historical Park.
 * Visit Phra Phutthabat Bua Bok.
 * Visit Phu Phra Bat Historical Park, Ho Nang Usa, and historical paintings.
 * Lunch.
 * Travel through Amphoe Nam Som to Amphoe Na Yung and visit Namtok Yung Thong.
 * Travel back to town.

Programme IV	Udon Thani – Nong Khai – Vientiane.

 * Depart from Udon Thani town for Nong Khai.
 * Pay respect to Luangpho Phra Sai, Wat Pho Chai.
 * Travel across the Thai – Lao Friendship Bridge to Vientiane.
 * Tour Vientiane.
 * Travel back to Nong Khai and drop by Talat Tha Sadet (Tha Sadet Market) for shopping.
 * Visit Ban Na Kha for buying silk, Mi-khit, and cotton cloth.
 * Travel back to town.

Amphoe Mueang Udon Thani
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 * Green Gecko Baan Um Jaan, A. Prajak, Udon Thai 081-9180500 Luxury Thai villa & private pool, fully catered 7,500 Baht
 * Gecko Villa Gecko Villa Country house & private pool, catered, 3 bedrooms, spacious rural grounds, 6,800 Baht including transfers, meals and drinks.
 * Rice Paddy Villa Baan Um Jaan, A. Prajak, Udon Thai 081-9180500 An imposing Thai holiday villa blending reclaimed antique features and modern comforts including a private pool. Full board. 9,500 Baht
 * Karin (การิน) 37 Watthananuwong Road. Tel. 0 4232 0515-22, 0 4221 1608.
 * Queen (ควีนส์)   6-8 Udon Dutsadi Road. Tel. 0 4222 1451. 30 rooms: 120 – 240 Baht.
 * King’s (คิงส์)    57 Pho Si Road. Tel. 0 4222 1634, 0 4224 1444, 0 4222 2919. 99 rooms: 190 – 250 Baht.
 * Charoensri Grand Royal (เจริญศรี แกรนด์ รอยัล) 277/1 Prachaksinlapakhom Road. Tel. 0 4234 3555. 255 rooms: 1,400 – 2,500 Baht.
 * Charoensri Palace (เจริญศรี พาเลซ) 60 Pho Si Road. Tel. 0 4222 2601, 0 4224 2611 –3, 0 4232 8218 – 20. 70 rooms: 340 – 900 Baht.
 * Charoen Hotel (เจริญ โฮเต็ล) 549 Pho Si Road. Tel. 0 4224 8155, 0 4224 6121 – 4. 240 rooms: 700 – 900 Baht.
 * Chaiphon (ชัยพร) 209-11 Mak Khaeng Road. Tel. 0 4222 1913, 0 4222 2144. 30 rooms: 180 – 280 Baht (fan), 250 – 350 Baht (air-conditioned).
 * Chan Mueang Resort (ชานเมือง รีสอร์ท) 302 Udon Thani – Khon Kaen Road. Tel. 0 4224 3815, 0 4224 2219. 28 houses: 400 – 500 Baht.
 * Ton Khun (ต้นคูณ) 50/1 Mak Khaeng Road. Tel. 0 4232 6336 – 45. 115 rooms: 700 – 1,300 Baht.
 * Naphalai (นภาลัย) 572 Pracharaksa Road. Tel. 0 4234 7444, 0 4234 7420 – 46. 252 rooms: 800 – 900 Baht, www.napalaihotel.com.
 * Ban Chiang (บ้านเชียง) 5 Mukkhamontri Road. Tel. 0 4232 7911 – 20. 149 rooms: 1,200 – 8,500 Baht, www.banchianghotel.com.
 * Paradise (พาราไดซ์) 44/29 Pho Si Road. Tel. 0 4222 1956, 0 4222 1506. 65 rooms: 180 – 500 Baht.
 * Phen Resort (เพ็ญ รีสอร์ท)  Udon Thani – Nong Bua Lam Phu Road. Tel. 0 4224 5355, 35 rooms: 300 – 500 Baht.
 * Mit Pracha Palace (มิตรประชา พาเลซ) 271/2 – 3 Prachak Road. Tel. 0 4224 4522. 48 rooms: 140 – 390 Baht.
 * Si Chai (ศรีชัย) 480 – 484 Pho Si Road. Tel. 0 4222 2624. 19 rooms: 150 – 800 Baht.
 * Siri Grand (ศิริแกรนด์) 12 Benchang Road. Tel. 0 4232 4514 – 9, fax: 0 4220 5030. 145 rooms: 400 – 600 Baht.
 * Siri Udon (ศิริอุดร) 79 – 91 Amphoe Road. Tel. 0 4222 1658, 0 4222 2330 – 2.  50 rooms: 180 – 400 Baht.
 * Udon Airport (อุดร แอร์พอร์ต) 14 Mu 1, Udon Thani – Nong Bua Lam Phu Road.Tel. 0 4234 6223 – 4. 120 rooms: 500 – 1,000 Baht.
 * Udon Hotel (อุดร โฮเต็ล) 81 – 89 Mak Khaeng Road. Tel. 0 4224 8160,
 * Silver Reef B&B 338/8 Prajack Rd. Maung Udon Thani Tel:66 42 344-081 www.silverreefudon.com

Eat

 * Udon Residence opened April 2008. It's located in downtown Udon Thani only a short walk from the central shopping plaza, restaurants and bars. UR offers clean and comfortable rooms and one condo style room with its own kitchen and living room. The place is fully air-conditioned with free wireless internet, cable TV, hot showers etc. Room rates are reasonable starting at 450bt then moving up to 950bt for the self-contained aparment. The place is very quiet and central to everything.

Amphoe Mueang Udon Thani
YingUdom (ลานเบียร์ยิ่งอุดม) PreechaMarket
 * Good Everything (กู๊ดเอวีรี่ติง) 43/2 Pho Niyom Road. Tel. 0 4224 5544.
 * Kai Ban Po. Tu-Pong (ไก่บ้าน ป.ตุ๊ป่อง) Udon – Nong Samrong Road. Tel. 0 4232 5229.
 * Khao Piak (ข้าวเปียก) 32/4 Si Suk Road. Tel. 0 4224 4138 (Vietnamese food: Khao Piak, Kaeng Sen).
 * Khao Tom Kan Eng (ข้าวต้มกันเอง)    21 Phan Phrao Road. Tel. 0 4222 2582.
 * Khai Krata Loet Rot (ไก่กระทะเลิศรส) 78 Pho Si Road, Tambon Mak Khaeng. Tel. 0 4224 0389.
 * King’s O-cha (คิงส์โอชา) 22/1 – 2 Si Sattha Road, Tambon Mak Khaeng. Tel. 0 4234 3481 (Khai Krata – panned egg).
 * Khrua Kha Takhrai (ครัวข่า-ตะไคร้) 663 Mu 4, Mu Ban Ban Chan. Tel. 0 4234 1515.
 * Khrua Khun Nit (ครัวคุณนิด) 64 Soi Wat Pa Non Niwet, Udon Dutsadi Road, Tambon Mak Khaeng. Tel. 0 4224 6128 (Papaya salad, steamed chicken, grilled fish, blanched fish).
 * Chaeo Hon Maha Sarakham 2 (Chaeo Hon Mo Yak) (แจ่วฮ้อนมหาสารคราม)     168/4-5 Rop Mueang Road. Tel. 0 4224 6375, fax: 0 4224 7555.
 * Chueng Sa-at (จึงสอาด) 44/45 Adunlayadet (Thibet intersection). Tel. 0 4224 7623, 0 4234 3474 (Khai Krata).
 * Chup (จุ๊บ) 31/1 Tamrot Road, Tambon Mak Khaeng. Tel. 0 4224 7208.
 * Chan Mueang (ชานเมือง) 303/2 Ban Chan Road, Tambon Ban Chan. Tel. 0 4224 3815, 0 4224 2219.
 * Siamhai Phattakhan (เซียมไฮ้ ภัตตาคาร) Mak Khaeng Road. Tel. 0 4222 1003.
 * Yipun Kitaro (ญี่ปุ่น คิทาโร่) 300/7 – 8 Prachak Road, Charoen Si Complex intersection. Tel. 0 4224 3094.
 * Nimit Suki (นิมิตรสุกี้)     49/3 Mak Khaeng Road, Tambon Mak Khaeng. Tel. 0 4224 6273 (A la carte dishes, Suki soup)
 * Ban I-san (บ้านอีสาน)      Adunlayadet Road. Tel. 0 4232 5229.
 * Bon Coffee Udon Thani Branch (บอน คอฟฟี่  สาขาอุดรธานี)  224/55 Prachaksinlapakhom Road.Tel. 0 4224 9720.
 * Phung Ki Restaurant (พุ่งกี่ ภัตตาคาร) Mak Khaeng Road.Tel. 0 4222 2398.
 * Phuean Kan (เพื่อนกัน)   Thahan Road. Tel. 0 4234 1724.
 * Phikkhora Roma (พิคโครา โรมา) 10/31 – 32 Pho Si Road. Tel. 0 4232 7546.
 * Phu Wiang (ภูเวียง) within Charoen Hotel,  Pho Si Road. Tel. 0 4224 8155.
 * Mangkon Luang (มังกรหลวง)   75/18 –21 Thahan Road, Tambon Mak Khaeng. Tel. 0 4224 2345, fax: 0 4234 1581 (Chinese food, grilled duck, Suki soup).
 * Matcha Phasuk (มัจฉาผาสุก) 166 Mu 8 Udon Thani – Nong Khai Road, at an entrance to Tambon Mu Mon. Tel. 0 4224 0247.
 * Mandarin (แมนดาริน) Mak Khaeng Road. Tel. 0 4222 1043, 0 4222 2391.
 * Mae Ya (แม่หยา) 79 – 81 Talat Thanarak Road, Tambon Mak Khaeng. Tel. 0 4222 3889, 0 4222 2953, 0 4222 1590 (Thai, Chinese, I-san food).
 * Ming 24 No (มิ้ง ๒๔ น.) 13/16 Si Suk Road. Tel. 0 4224 3924.
 * Ying Udom (ยิ่งอุดม) 245 Prachaksinlapakhom Road, Tambon Mak Khaeng. Tel. 0 4222 3414, 0 4224 3531.
 * Ruean Maliwan (เรือนมลิวัลย์) 42/1 Tambon Mak Khaeng, Rop Mueang Road (Khon Kaen – Nong Bua Lam Phu). Tel. 0 4291 0092, fax: 0 1974 4178.
 * Rabiang Phatchani (ระเบียงพัชนี) 53/1 Ban Non Road, Tambon Mak Khaeng.Tel. 0 4224 1515, 0 4224 4015, 0 4232 5891.
 * Rim Nam (ริมน้ำ) 76/3 Supphakitchanya Road. Tel. 0 4224 2653.
 * Luk Nam (ลูกน้ำ) 37/1 Tambon Mak Khaeng, Phan Phrao Road. Tel. 0 4224 2619.
 * V T Naem Nueang (วีที แหนมเนือง) 345/1 – 3 Pho Si Road (behind Wat Phothisomphon), Tambon Mak Khaeng. Tel. 0 4234 8740, 0 4234 7111.
 * Si Chomphu (ศรีชมพู)      286/25 – 27 Pho Si Road. Tel. 0 4222 1455.
 * Stamp (แสตมป์) Naresuan Road. Tel. 0 4222 3127.
 * Suan Krua Ta – Yai (สวนครัวตา-ยาย) Thahan Road, Tambon Mak Khaeng. Tel. 0 4224 3657, 0 4234 1627.
 * Suan Ahan Bung Samran (สวนอาหารบึงสำราญ) 57/5 Mu 9, Ban Nong Lek, Rop Mueang Road (Sakon Nakhon – Nong Khai). Tel. 0 4220 4547 – 8, fax: 0 4232 2299.
 * Suan Ahan Suan Mangkon and Resort (สวนอหาร สวนมังกร แอนด์ รีสอร์ท)      89/11 Rop Mueang Road.Tel. 0 4220 4955 – 6, fax: 0 4220 4955.
 * Hong Ahan May Fair (ห้องอาหารเมย์ แฟร์) in Charoen Hotel, Pho Si Road. Tel. 0 4224 8155.
 * Enriko Pizza (เอนริโกพิซซา) 1st floor, Charoensri Grand Royal, 221/7 Prachaksinlapakhom Road. Tel. 0 4232 4528, 0 1799 7736, 0 1453 0654.
 * Udon Phochana (อุดรโภชนา) Pho Si Road. Tel. 0 4222 1756 (A la carte dishes, noodle).
 * Udon O-cha Branch II (อุดรโอชา สาขา ๒) 123/2 – 3 Prachaksinlapakhom Road, Tambon Khaeng. Tel. 0 9944 6826, 0 4234 4155.
 * Em-ot (Khai Kratha) (เอมโอช ไข่กระทะ)   118/7 Prachaksinlapakhom, Tambon Mak Khaeng.Tel. 0 4222 3992 (Khai Kratha).

Vegetarian Restaurant

 * Krua Sukkhaphap Kwan Yin (ครัวสุขภาพกวนอิม) opposite to Bangkok Bank, Prachak Road. Tel. 0 4224 6490.
 * Krua Isan Ahan Che (ครัวอีสาน อาหารเจ)    Pho Si Road, beside Siam Commercial Bank, Pho Si Road Branch.
 * Pang Mangsawirat (ปางมังสวิรัติ)  52/12 Phonphisai Road. Tel. 0 4232 4248, 0 9186 9287.
 * Ahan Che Phuea Sukkhaphap (อาหารเจเพื่อสุขภาพ)   586 Mu Ban Ban Lueam, Tambon Ban Lueam. Tel. 0 4234 7636.

Call

 * Provincial Public Relations  	Tel. 0 4222 3708
 * Udon Thani Provincial Administration Office	Tel. 0 4222 3304
 * Bus Terminal                     		Tel. 0 4224 7950-2
 * Udon Thani Train Station  		Tel. 0 4222 2061
 * Udon Thani Hospital         		Tel. 0 4224 4252-3
 * Panyawet Hospital             		Tel. 0 4234 3111
 * Khai Prachak Hospital       		Tel. 0 4234 1710
 * Ek Udon Hospital              		Tel. 0 4234  2555
 * Udon Thani Police Station  	Tel. 0 4222 2285, 0 4222 3304
 * Highway Police  		 	Tel. 1193
 * Tourist Police      			Tel. 1155

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Talk:Udumalaippettai

Udumalpetai
Copied from Project:Votes for deletion:

 * Delete. Keep & redirect (correct spelling since established, & redirected) -- 218.208.238.135 16:08, 14 March 2006 (EST)
 * Anon has stated no reason for deletion but it looks like the correct spelling is either Udumalaipettai or Udumalaippettai. Keep article and redirect to correct name. (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 21:43, 6 March 2006 (EST)
 * Or rather Udumalpet. (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 21:50, 6 March 2006 (EST)
 * The railways spell it as Udumalaipettai, so I guess that's the official spelling --(WT-en) Ravikiran 22:12, 6 March 2006 (EST)
 * On the other hand the Getty Thesaurus has been there before and found out the preferred spellings, that we may take as the "most common English name"... (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 09:34, 7 March 2006 (EST)
 * Redirect to correct spelling. -- (WT-en) Ryan 18:28, 7 March 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Udupi

A very old temple city which has excellent scenic places around it also. The more apt thing would be to say that the every place in this region is scenic. Picturesque beaches and lush greenery around the city are really exemplary.Be ready for at least 3 to 4 days of stay to explore the whole area around this place.

It is located in the western ghats region of karnataka state. Some geographical facts about the city are as folows

 * Around 350 kms from Bangalore, capital of karnataka.
 * Along with Manipal, these are known as twin cities.
 * Weather is almost similar throughout the year due to nearby Arab sagar. Temperature ranges from 30 degrees centigrade to 35 degrees centigrade in day time and around 10 degrees less during night.
 * Humidity is generally high most of the time.
 * During rainy season, april to september, monsoon shows its true colour in this area. Within seconds, it can soak you in kilo-litres on water.

Religious Places around Udupi * Gomteshwar jain temple [50 kms from here] * Bahubali jain temple * Parshwanath jain temple with thousand pillars [80 kms from here] * 1000-2000 years old Shri Krishna Mutt in Udupi * Murudeshwar mahadev temple [150 kms]

Major beaches * Kapu [30 kms]. Also houses a functional light house. * Murudeshwar beach [150 kms]. Shiva temple on beach and a fishing hub. * Gokarna Beach [250 kms towards Goa]

Travel mode

By Air * Mangalore Airport[60 kms from Udupi] has connectivity with Mumbai and Bangalore.

By Train * It is a major station on the konkan railway route. For more information regarding trains by  visiting the IRCTC page or Indian Railways. * Connected with Mumbai, Mangalore, Chennai, Trichy etc. However, no direct connection between bangalore and this place.

By Road * It is located right on a national highway connecting Mangalore with Mumbai. For a city-weary person, a journey on this highway will really lighten up the spirits. * Fron bangalore, you first need to come to mangalore via another national highway which mostly passes through zig-zag roads of hilly terrain. After that, take the same highway as mentioned earlier. * Different type of buses regularly plies from major southern cities to Udupi. You may chose from Volvo[AC buses], Airbuses or KSRTC buses depending on your budget.

The temples of Udupi
After thinking about it, I have decided to remove most of the temple listings. Every village in DK has its temple, every temple is locally important and believers from outside the city may travel to visit them. But to add them to the city article, we need to decide that a particular temple has a large enough following, has an interesting history or architecture. Discuss before adding back.

There are various Devi temples around Udupi. They are

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(WT-en) Ravikiran 01:56, 22 May 2012 (EDT)
 * The temple was established on 1896 by Sri Sri Varadendra Teertha Swamiji of Sri Kashi Mathn Samsthan, Varanasi.

"Style" Warning Boxes
There are 3 warning boxes that have been slapped on to the History, Eat and Buy sections. I am not sure if these are valid. I don't see anything wrong with having a history section, given that it is important to understand the religious significance of the place. I don't see anything wrong with having a description of the cuisine and major dishes of the place, especially for a place like Udupi whose cuisine is actually an important part of its identity, and I don't see why describing what to buy is out of place in the Buy section. Anyone disagrees with me removing it? — Ravikiran (talk) 09:46, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

 * The history section may be too detailed. I think some of the details relate more specifically to the Sri Krishna Temple and Mutt and could be covered there. There's another alternative, though, which is to subdivide the "History" section into coverage of the monastery and the more general coverage, which is currently in the last 2 paragraphs of the "History" section. Since that's the path of least resistance, if you like the idea, let's do it. I would tend to put the section about the monastery second, but I could be persuaded otherwise.

 * I agree with you on "Buy" and would support removing the style tag in that section.

 * I also strongly agree with you about "Eat", but we could consider putting a subheading of "Udupi cuisine" on the first section, which is a really useful section (the only thing I would change that I see at a glance is some unneeded capitalization of dish names). Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:01, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

 * I made these edits. See what you think of them and edit further as appropriate. I'm leaving the shape of the "History" section to your discretion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:02, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will ask again for a review once I am done with the edits, but the general direction I am going in is to break up the history section and sprinkle the interesting historical facts throughout the article into the See (and soon, Do) sections. — Ravikiran (talk) 06:00, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course I have full confidence in you, but I'll be happy to look at your work whenever. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:36, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Review needed
I want to make this article into a guide, nominate this for OTBP for January 2022 (which coincides with the next biennial Paryaya) and probably also make it into a star. I'd love your review comments. Some things that I am still working on: What else does this need to make the cut? — Ravikiran (talk) 10:58, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Eat and Drink sections need prices.
 * Buy - the section needs some restructuring. Some of the items we can buy at Ratha Beedi are listed in bullet points while others in a paragraph.
 * Go next - needs to be rewritten entirely.

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Talk:Uganda

Comments
Actually, Ugandans consider their country East African, not Central African.

(From anonymous user. I compromised with "east central" Africa. -- (WT-en) Nils 09:18, 13 Apr 2004 (EDT))

Is it really true that Swahili is useful in Uganda? Every guidebook says so, but several Ugandans denied it to me

photo request!
This article could really do with some photos! There seems to be a distinct absence of Ugandan images on wikivoyage, so if you have any upload them! (WT-en) Tsandell 18:19, 4 June 2006 (EDT)

Questions
Guys is there a way to cross Uganda from Sudan ? Yes after the peace agreement in sudan in year 2005, u can cross by land from Sudan to Uganda

Regions
I think it would be easiest just to use these regions

From what I gather, Rwenzori Mountains National Park does not cover enough area to call it a region, and the political regions are just right in terms of number. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 21:39, 25 January 2010 (EST)

 * Looks like a good scheme to me. (WT-en) AHeneen 01:34, 26 January 2010 (EST)

 * Yes, and for once, a govt seems to have made life easy for us :). --(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:46, 26 January 2010 (EST)

 * Map done as per this discussion and put new region scheme in place.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:17, 15 March 2010 (EDT)

OD's
There were way too many listed. I cut the list to 9 as per policy, and removed the following:

 * Aswa-Lolim former Game Reserve Is in northern Uganda on the east bank of the Albert Nile. Today it is a series of huge ranches, but there is still considerable wildlife which is controlled by the Uganda Wildlife Authority.

 * Kabelaga National Park

 * Lake Mburo National Park located in southern Uganda. Use Mihingo Lodge just outside the park and take horse-back safaris from here.

 * Lake Bunyonyi is a charming lake dotted with little islands you could relax on. The area is considered to look a bit like Switzerland.

 * Ngamba Island is small fascinating island of Lake Victoria where Ngamba Chimpanzee Sanctuary is located. The Sanctuary was established in the October 1998 as a project to take care of young orphaned Chimpanzees. When they grow up, they are taken to the forest to live in a natural environments. Chimpanzee tracking safaris to Ngamba Chimpanzee sanctuary take place all year round.

emergency numbers
The 112 number for police is useless. Callers are put on hold and half the time are disconnected before speaking with someone. The other half of the time, the person answering is completely unhelpful, at least outside the capital.

Given this reality, it seems to me a bit dangerous to hand out the emergency numbers without some kind of cautionary note. However, I can't see an obvious way to edit this since the infobox is supplied by wikidata (and the cautionary note shouldn't go there).

Any thoughts on the best way to reconcile this? Have any other country pages grappled with this issue? Vectro (talk) 12:28, 1 May 2018 (UTC) Vectro (talk) 12:28, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Currency, time and spelling conventions
Below is a proposed infobox to let readers know which formatting conventions to use in Wikivoyage articles. Do you agree with these proposals? If you have direct knowledge of what is most commonly used in the country, please let us know. Ground Zero (talk) 16:48, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Moved to the top of this article. Ground Zero (talk) 12:45, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article?
I have previously created an alternative banner for this article (which was initially created for the parallel article at the Hebrew Wikivoyage, but I decided to suggest we'll use it here at the English Wikivoyage article as well). Which banner do you prefer that we'll use on the top of this article? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 13:31, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I prefer the new banner. The sunset is lovely, but could be anywhere. Ground Zero (talk) 13:37, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Also prefer the new banner -- nice one! Very eye-catching. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 13:37, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * New banner. Hakuna matata! --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 04:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * New banner. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:07, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * New banner Gizza ( roam ) 02:26, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

New anti-gay law
Uganda enacts harsh anti-LGBTQ law including death penalty.

We do already have a warning at Uganda. Should it be updated? Pashley (talk) 14:01, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Most certainly it should. The dog2 (talk) 14:20, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * There is no need to discuss an update like this. Just wv:plunge forward. Ground Zero (talk) 15:35, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I updated the warningbox and moved it to the lead. I assume that if "death penalty for marijuana possession" is a reason for placing the warningbox there, then I think transmitting HIV to your partner (by mistake) being punishable by death is likewise such a reason. –LPfi (talk) 17:58, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Ujung Kulon National Park

Template
I suggest this article needs editing into a Park template. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 08:05, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

Capitalizing animal names
Hi, everyone. I've seen a great tendency to capitalize the names of animals and plants on this site. I don't agree with it. Rhino, elephant, mongoose and the like are not proper names, though when an elephant has a name like Babar or a dog has a name like Fido, that's capitalized. In addition, the first word of a Latin species designation, such as Homo sapiens, is capitalized. But in names of animals and plants, I can't really see a good style reason to capitalize any words that aren't at the beginning of a sentence and aren't proper adjectives like Javan, Asian, Australian, etc. If we want to set off the names of animals, bolding or, especially for non-English names, italics can be good solutions.

What do you think? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:47, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Uki

Ogawa

 * Merge and redirect to Uki - Uki city is not close to being big enough to districtify, though the station name is taken from this neighborhood, so we should leave a redirect at least. (WT-en) Texugo 01:26, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Result: Merge. Note that you don't have to start a VFD to propose a merge. (WT-en) LtPowers 09:38, 28 January 2009 (EST)

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Talk:Ukraine

What does this mean?
Just in facebook groups as in "Работа в польше" cash in US$100 In 2024 journey from Poland to Lviv we need your Wi-Fi passenger vehicle 9 to 12 parody Schengen area zone is the only overland truck has scheduled.

Huh? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:23, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

 * I understood none of that. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:46, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Unless someone can explain it, I propose that we remove the sentence in 48 hours. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:45, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I don't think even ChatGPT can decipher that. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 01:47, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It was vandalism and was reverted. See User talk:Baekih Kaplik. This vandal put info about a nonexistent taxi company, or at least one with a URL with no server, on multiple articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:13, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * What a weirdly written message. Roovinn (talk) 11:38, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Ironically (given that I flunked Russian 101 in uni), the only part of that I understand is "Работа в польше" - Working in Poland.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:52, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Second-largest country in Europe
Why was that deleted? Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Roovinn was the one that deleted it. I'm guessing we do not know how much territory will remain under Ukrainian control when the war is over. The dog2 (talk) 23:25, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing that is because France controls more territory if we exclude the occupied areas? -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 23:30, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * How about just substituting "one of the largest countries in Europe"? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, go for it. I don't see why that would be controversial. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 23:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I removed it because I didn't think that part was necessary. Roovinn (talk) 08:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but its being a large country is relevant. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:06, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Noted. Roovinn (talk) 06:29, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Dnieper/Dnipro River
I think we should cover this in the "Respect" section. "Dnieper River" is the most common name in English, and is used by many people out of habit even if they are ardent Russophobes, so I think it behooves us to tell people that when you are talking to a Ukrainian, you should call it the "Dnipro River", lest they default to the traditional English name out of habit. English speakers may not be aware that the name they most commonly used was derived from Russian. The dog2 (talk) 16:48, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It is covered by "do not refer to Ukrainian towns and places by their Russian names". It's a question of whether this should be a travel article, or an article about "All of the Things You Should Not Do When You Visit This Country Because its Residents Take Offence to Everything and Because the Readers are Insensitive Dolts".
 * I think it should be a travel article, but that's just me. Ground Zero (talk) 16:58, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * not just you, GZ, I'm backing you up on this, 110%. Ibaman (talk) 17:04, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Me too. No reason for special remarks on one river's name. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:27, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It's a very historically significant river in Russian and Ukrainian history, so you are very likely to come across the name in any discussion of Russian or Ukrainian history. It's not just any other river. Kyiv is on the bank of the river, and that was where Vladimir/Volodymyr baptised his people into Christianity. Russians and Ukrainians have a very heated dispute on whether the Rus' should be considered Russian or Ukrainian, which I'm not going to take a side on here, but needless to say, the river is of huge significance to both Russians and Ukrainians because of that. The dog2 (talk) 17:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

 * WV:Tone: possibly every soul on the planet who cares about this dispute is aware of the existence and significance of this river, as they are aware that Zelenski is Volodymyr and Putin is Vladimir, not the other way around. It's not Wikivoyage's goal to digress on historic minutia, we exist to serve the traveller with traveller's info. AGAIN, PLEASE, PLEASE stop with this relentless drive to encyclopedize and ruin the lively prose. Ibaman (talk) 18:03, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not more important than Odesa/Odessa or Kyiv/Kiev. A table of Russian names and their Ukrainian equivalents seems like a good idea - on Wikipedia. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:13, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Is "Dnieper River" the most common name in English, though? I've always used Dnipro River my entire life and had no idea that the other spelling existed. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 20:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * as per my reading list on history and geography, "Dnieper" is way more common, as Kiev, Lvov, Kharkov, Dnipropetrovsk and Krivoy Rog used to be, not too long ago. Ibaman (talk) 21:39, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Anyway, I assume the traveller, after having read that there are different Russian and English names, should understand that some names that have traditionally been used are indeed based on the Russian forms. Whether they nevertheless want to use the name traditionally used in English, or don't bother to check, isn't up to us. And I assume Ukrainians will forgive us for sometimes using the "wrong" name out of habit or ignorance. I am quite annoyed by Swedes talking about Helsinki or Turku, out of respect for "the" language of Finland, to me, who speaks the country's other national language with them. Still, that won't spoil my day and if they do it out of ignorance, I won't have hard feelings. –LPfi (talk) 10:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Maybe; one of my closest mates' grandad is Ukrainian and might have influenced my spellings. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:57, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month 2024
Hello all.

Check this out: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%27s_Cultural_Diplomacy_Month_2024

Think this might be of interest to many of you. It definitely is of interest to me. Roovinn (talk) 06:26, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

 * Sadly it seems to target Wikipedia only. OhanaUnitedTalk page 02:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Ulaanbaatar

The statement "When under communist control, the city was forbidden to waste funds on beautification projects, and this policy is no doubt partly responsible for the city's present drab and uninteresting architecture" needs a source or should be removed. - (WT-en) jstampfl 23:09, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

 * We don't do sources here, but if you know for a fact - or can verify - this is wrong, feel free to remove it, otherwise let it stay - UB is indeed one of the most drab looking cities on the face of the planet, a travesty really, considering it's the capital of one the most beautiful and hospitable countries on earth. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 23:16, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

 * I can't find any older Mongolians who agree with the statement about the forbiddeness. There are many old, pre-democratic, remnants of beautification projects if you look around the city, so I am going to change to just a statement about the drabness.(WT-en) jstampfl 04:49, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

 * It appears that this site "http://iguide.travel/Ulaanbaatar/Eating/Mid-range" is copying restaurant information from wikivoyage.(WT-en) jstampfl 04:49, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

 * Ah, but they (unlike most) are actually doing that legally. Our license stipulates that anyone can reuse our content for any purpose, provided they attribute the authors and keep it licensed under CC Share-Alike. If you check the bottom of that article, you'll see that they do this. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 05:15, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

 * iGuide are mirroring the entire contents wikivoyage and plastering with ads - tasteless - but entirely legal. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 05:59, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

Mastercard ATMs
"the machines in the central Post Office and main street will not accept foreign MasterCards although they bear the logo"

When I was there in July 2009 ATM:s at the Post Office, train station and at other places in the city accepted my Swedish MasterCard. The rate was also very good since my Swedish card doesn't add a currency conversion fee.

 * When I was there in spring 2008, the various bank's atm's rarely accepted both Visa and Mastercard, but usually accepted one of them. Don't know about the postoffice, but it's definitely something worth noting. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 07:28, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Yes, just write it up a bit more neutral to warm travelers for this. (WT-en) Globe-trotter 13:02, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
 * To update this conversation, TDB Bank credit card readers list MasterCard, UnionPay, Visa, and some other providers as accepted forms of payments. You should be fine since TDB ATMs can be found all over the place. Also, Discover Card, American Express, and Paypal are not accepted or useable inside Mongolia.Altaihunters (talk) 07:47, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Coordinates
Please specify coordinates in decimal. Example: lat = 47.91909 | long = 106.91665. You can use the GeoMap. - Greetings! Joachim Mey2008 (talk) 17:43, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Update the banner image?
With this article up for a potential DoTM, I found this image on wikicommons that we could crop to fit the proper banner aspect ratio. I feel like it's a much more attractive image when compared to the current one. Additionally, this one appears to have been taken in 2015 and so might be more ideal since it is more up-to-date (old one's wikicommons page says it was taken in 2009). I'd like to know if there would be any opposition to changing the banner. I know we sometimes don't like to have generic cityscapes be the banner (but since this article's banner is a generic cityscape, I thought replacing it with a prettier one would be better). DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 17:11, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * HDR really grinds my gears. I find this image very unpleasant. --ButteBag (talk) 17:21, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't even know what HDR is, haha! I just thought the original banner, while nice, is plain and doesn't scream: visit me. While this image seemed more eye-catching and up-to-date.DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 18:47, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Check this out, if you're interested. HDR isn't bad necessarily, but it's way easy to overdo it. This image is an example of "overdoing it", lol! --ButteBag (talk) 19:04, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Restaurants
Unsure if these are in business as of June 2017. No reports of them being closed, but I couldn't really find anything online about them. --ϒpsilon (talk) 18:40, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

"Apocalyptic" air pollution
I think we need a "Stay healthy" section, but if not, this has to be covered in "Stay safe": https://www.bbc.com/news/av/science-environment-47673327/mongolia-a-toxic-warning-to-the-world Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:13, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

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Description
Description were not being shown but just a temporary glitch. When I refreshed it, it was fine.(WT-en) Paula 02:02, 7 November 2008 (EST)
 * Fixed. You needed to designate it as a thumb. (WT-en) Texugo 01:01, 5 November 2008 (EST)

Was temporary glitch which had nothing to do with designating it a thumb or not. Those designated as thumbs had the same problem. (WT-en) Paula 03:17, 6 November 2008 (EST)

 * It is tradition to leave all talk pages. If this talk page becomes full we will archive it.  At the very least its a good record of the kinds of problems our users have had trying to help out. -- (WT-en) Colin 10:14, 6 November 2008 (EST)

Where Are the Images
Why have the images been removed? And no trace of any explanation? What is going on with the admins? At least before though explanations may have been irrational, they were prompt (WT-en) Paula 03:29, 6 November 2008 (EST)

 * At present I see plenty of images.  Page history indicates that none have been removed since your last edit. -- (WT-en) Colin 10:14, 6 November 2008 (EST)

 * Seeing them NOW. I know there were no changes indicated in page history that's what was perplexing. Kept refreshing the page few times within an hour but no images and no red Xs either. Looked perfectly fine just no photos. What's with that?(WT-en) Paula 02:02, 7 November 2008 (EST)

 * I see them too, but if you're getting red X's, it's probably due to some bug associated with Internet Explorer 6, I get them all over the place at work where we use IE, but not at home where I use Firefox - so try loading the page up in Firefox and see if it helps (would also help me confirm the "rottenness" of this) (WT-en) Sertmann 10:17, 6 November 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Ulsan

The tone of this article is way off, possible copypasta and copyright breach perhaps?

Major edit
I have tried to tidy up the Ulsan article and added a list of things to see and do. Will work on it gradually as I discover more things, but so far so good. Better than what it was!

Style issue tag
I noticed the tag is active on this article. Any particular reason? If not then I propose to remove. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 05:54, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll go through the article now and then remove the tag. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:35, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Banner Suggestions
For Ulsan, I suggest 태화강,울산. Taehwa River is the representative river of Ulsan. And as Ulsan is undergoing industrialization smoothly, I think it would be good if a banner that shows the appearance of the city center could be used as a banner for Ulsan.Hojong9474 (talk) 06:17, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Uluṟu-Kata Tjuṯa National Park

WOW! So glad to get this started. --(WT-en) Evan 11:32, 21 Jan 2004 (EST)

The website writes several words with underlined letters: Ulu r u, Kata Tju t a, A n angu. What does this mean? -(WT-en) phma 22:11, 29 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * I remember reading about it somewhere, but I forgot where exactly. If I remember well, these sounds are made with the tongue curled upwards and with the tip of the tongue touching the top of the palate instead of the front or the teeth. (WT-en) Dhum Dhum Akubra 11:21, 30 Mar 2004 (EST)

The Pioneer Backpackers Lodge
An excellent place to stay - cabin accomodation all newly decorated, clean, nice linen, and they had thought of every last detail. Cost $41pppn and was worth every cent! Staff were friendly and helpful. Within the lodge part of the resort there was: A pool, a pool table, gift shop, a bar $12 per jug of VB), bottle shop open until 9pm (unsure of prices), a restaurant, a guest kitchen if you had bought your own food, and a 'cook your own' barbie where you can purchase a variety of meat or fish, cook it yourself, and then help yourself to the all you can eat salads, side dishes and sauces. Cost between $23 and $27 depending on what meat you had - very good value when you see what sides you get with it all - a meal fit for a king! Ayers Rock Resort offers a variety of accomodation from camping through to 5* but the resort is spread out well into the sections of different accomodation. There is a shopping centre approx 5 mins walk from the PBL which has the following: IGA supermarket, Restaurant, Take-away, a couple of gift shops, a newsagents, an ANZ bank and ATM, and a post office. There is a petrol station not far from PBL in the opposite direction. Pretty much everything you could possibly need out there - and all within 10 mins drive of ULURU!

Greyhound Australia
There is no Greyhound Australia bus service between Alice Springs and the National park anymore. There are a number of different companies that run tours there however. The Rock Tour is one, and Greyhound Australia does resell their tours. (WT-en) Corvo 21:56, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

Ayers Rock
Regarding this edit, I've heard of Ayers Rock but didn't know it has a new name, so I would think "also" is correct in this instance. Is it politically incorrect to use the English name, or is there some other reason not to state it as an alternative? This sounds like an issue that is similar to the naming of "Denali" / "Mt. McKinley", but I (obviously) know next to nothing about Australia. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:56, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

 * When the surveyor William Gosse first visited the rock in 1873 he named it after Sir Henry Ayers, then the chief secretary of nearby South Australia. Uluru is a local indigenous name. In 1873, Ayers Rock and Mount Olga were named by the SA Government (South Australian Parliamentary Paper 48 of 1873). Since 1894, both Uluru and Kata Tjuta in varying forms have been recorded, though not as widely as their English equivalents, by the SA Government. On 15 December 1993 this large rock was the first officially dual named feature in the Northern Territory - Ayers Rock / Uluru. The South Australian Government originally had jurisdiction over the Northern Territory, it was later transferred to the control of the Australian Federal government. Currently the Northern Territory is a federal territory of Australia. Uluru / Ayers Rock is in the Northern Territory.

 * NT Place Names Register-Place Names Register Extract from http://www.ntlis.nt.gov.au/placenames/view.jsp?id=10532
 * Uluru / Ayers Rock

 * (copy and pasted from NT gov web page)

 * Name	Uluru / Ayers Rock
 * Type Designation	Mountain
 * Place Id	10532
 * Place Type	Feature
 * Status	Registered
 * Date Registered	6 November 2002
 * Location (Datum GDA94)
 * Latitude: -25° 20' S (Decimal degrees -25.3415)
 * Longitude: 131° 02' E (Decimal degrees 131.0354)

__________________________

 * Place Naming Committee for the Northern Territory (Northern Territory Government)
 * from http://www.nt.gov.au/lands/lis/placenames/policy/dual.shtml

 * Dual Naming of Features

 * Policies | Rules | Guidelines | Generic Terms | Dual Naming

 * (copy and pasted from NT gov web page)
 * In the Northern Territory, dual naming is where a physical feature has been officially given a name which includes both the traditional Aboriginal name and the introduced European (or English) name recorded by an explorer.

 * The name can be in either order and is separated by a solidus (/) and is registered as one name. The order the name appears will be determined by the Place Names Committee after consulation with all interested parties.

 * The name as approved and registered should be shown on and in official documents and publication, however in unofficial documents and publications either name can be used.

 * Over time the order the dual names appear may be changed.

 * Information on "dual naming" of places in Australia can be found on the publications page of the Committee for Geographical Names in Australasia website.

 * Example - Uluru / Ayers Rock

 * In 1873, Ayers Rock and Mount Olga were named by the SA Government (recorded in South Australian Parliamentary Paper 48 of 1873).

 * Since 1894, both Uluru and Kata Tjuta in varying forms have been recorded, though not as widely as their English equivalents, named by the SA Government.

 * On 15 December 1993 this feature was the first officially dual named feature in the Northern Territory - Ayers Rock / Uluru.

 * Following a request from the Regional Tourism Association in Alice Springs, on 6 November 2002 the order of the dual names was officially changed to Uluru / Ayers Rock. Further information on Uluru / Ayers Rock can be found in the Register.

 * The edit: It is best known for Uluru (also known as "Ayers Rock"), a single massive rock formation, and also for Kata Tjuta (also known as "The Olgas"), a range of rock domes....appears to be correct if we refer to the NT gov and the Committee for Geographical Names in Australasia as suitable sources. -- Hope this assists. -- (WT-en) felix 15:52, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

Banner
Hi, I've created two tentative banners for this page: —The preceding comment was added by Romain.pontida (talk • contribs)

 * Thanks a lot, Romain, but I like the existing banner better. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:41, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

 * These are interesting banners that you have suggested; however, with both of them the lighting does not capture the rock in the best way. If there wasn't a custom banner I'd definitely go along with them, but as it is I prefer the existing banner. However, if we have a place for these banners you have created, we should use them, since they are quite good. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 23:46, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Tour companies based in ... section.
My edit to put in the list of tour companies that **actually** operate in the area is specifically so that people can *avoid* touts.

Basically unless you are dealing with one of those companies directly, you are going through either a tour operator or a tout.

AnandKumria (talk)

 * Without contact information or addresses or phone numbers, they're useless, you know...? AND, if you were the owner or worker of one of these tour companies, and had the objective of promoting them without disclosing your affiliation, what would your narrative be? Ibaman (talk) 12:04, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Re-sellers of local tours
As per this edit, most of the tour companies listed in this article are re-sellers that charge customers more for the same service. These types of companies are not supposed to be listed in Wikivoyage articles, per External links. Could AnandKumria or anyone else who knows which of the listings are for resellers please delete all such listings and change the warning in the latest edit to simply state that there are many re-sellers and people should avoid them? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:14, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

As much as would like to Ikan Kekek to correct the list, when I did list the actual tour operators my edit was reverted by Ibaman (twice) for promotion. It wasn't until I discovered your alert that I read that they wanted contact details. However, by reverting (and suggesting I was promoting) and also attempting to cast aspersions upon my affiliation; I don't want to bother until I know exactly what would be needed for the edit to stick.

--AnandKumria (talk)

 * We WV admins can perhaps be criticized for maintaining a very high-strung unstopping anti-spam, anti-touting atmosphere surrounding this great online travel guide. I admit that sometimes I deserve to be described as "overzealous". Please follow Ikan Kekek's advice, include exact contact details for the actual tour operators, and all will be fine. Ibaman (talk) 15:16, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Rename to Uluṟu-Kata Tjuṯa National Park
The name with the macrons seems to be the more popular name and also the one Wikipedia uses. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:21, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

 * It is more difficult to write and link to, so most page hits would go via the redirect. I don't know whether that is an issue. Naming conventions seems to think it isn't. –LPfi (talk) 19:47, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sure most people aren't even searching this term up and instead just search up "Uluru". SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:50, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * In saying that, getting accents are not easy on my American keyboard. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:50, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Rock art
For reference about the rock art:
 * https://parksaustralia.gov.au/uluru/do/rock-art/
 * https://parksaustralia.gov.au/uluru/do/rock-art/kulpi-nyiinkaku/
 * https://parksaustralia.gov.au/uluru/do/rock-art/kulpi-mutitjulu/
 * https://parksaustralia.gov.au/uluru/do/walks/kuniya-walk/
 * https://parksaustralia.gov.au/uluru/do/walks/mala-walk/

Banner
Will add some more soon. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:25, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Obvious substitution of Banner 1 for the existing banner. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:25, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

 * I've replaced the banner. Maybe the old one can be used for the Northern Territory, but I'm hesitant to do so because (apart from the ACT) that's the only state level region that has a cultural banner, not a natural one (but the NT isn't a state). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:53, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Dashes
I would suggest that we drop the underdashes in "Uluṟu-Kata Tjuṯa". They mess up fonts and add no useful information, since the distinction between alveolar and retroflex consonants is not phonemic in English. Instead, let's do what Wikipedia does: note once at the beginning, drop through the rest of the article, maybe add in an infobox of explanation. Jpatokal (talk) 08:17, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

 * That's a bit like renaming Réunion to Reunion and Uluṟu-Kata Tjuṯa National Park with the macrons is the most common name in English per Naming conventions. Also, it's worth noting that Wikipedia also uses Uluṟu-Kata Tjuṯa National Park with the macrons. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:59, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Citation needed re: "most common". Wikipedia seems to use that title because it's what UNESCO uses, although that article only uses it once in the title and drops the dashes for the content.  WP's individual "Uluru" and "Kata Tjuta" articles are also dashless. Jpatokal (talk) 08:05, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Because Parks Australia also uses the macrons. While I'm often all for support when it comes to most common name in English, I am not when it comes to names of national parks. You could also theoretically use the same argument for removing the slashes in Aoraki / Mount Cook National Park (official website) or Tjoritja / West MacDonnell National Park (official website). So no, ultimately, I oppose removing the macrons. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:09, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * There are no exceptions to these guidelines. If not using the macrons is more common in English, the macrons need to go. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:15, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * As I mentioned before Parks Australia uses the macrons and that is English, not Pitjantjatjara. Also, it's worth noting that Google Maps, OpenStreetMap, and Bing Maps all use Uluṟu-Kata Tjuṯa National Park with the macrons while Apple Maps uses the macrons to refer to the park and the name without the macrons points to some accommodation a couple of kilometres off. So ultimately, it should be kept as both the official name and the more common name in English. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:37, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Is it more common in English or not? Your remark above suggests that you might not care, but for example, what spelling do Australian media organizations use? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:38, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

 * In what way do they mess up fonts? Do they mess up the fonts assigned in common.css? If they are a real problem for legibility, then we probably need to do something, but perhaps they are a problem only in some circumstances that we can special-case in the CSS. –LPfi (talk) 15:28, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * On my Linux box with Chrome, the characters ṟ and ṯ are not available in the default font, leading to inconsistent glyphs and an higgledy-piggledy baseline that looks terrible: https://imgur.com/a/sBKzYh0 Jpatokal (talk) 08:05, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

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Moscow Times article on Ulyanovsk, in English: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/beyond_moscow/ulyanovsk.html

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This article has many information. It isn't a stub. (WT-en) Pz-engl 07:16, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

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Is "Umm Al Quwain" both the Emirates and the name of the city? Thanks (WT-en) Majnoona 17:47, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)

Yes it is.

and the list goes: Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Sharjah, Ajmaan, Umm Al Qaiwain, Ras Al Khaimah, Fujairah.

Bye Joey

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TAT Listings
Moved TAT listings that clutter the main page to Talk:Umphang/Listings. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 23:36, 2 February 2010 (EST)

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