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I have the feeling we're probably trying to cover too much with the term "Itinerary". Take Trekking in Nepal: there are so many treks in that country that it is impossible to discuss them all in one article. Maybe we should have an itinerary article per trek like Trekking around Annapurna and Trekking to Mount Everest Base Camp. Trekking in Nepal could then become a page which groups and gives an overview of all these articles according to length (in km/mi or number of days), visited area (Annapurna, Mustang, ...), type of trek (mountain trek, jungle trek, river trek, ...), and others. I'd place One month in Southeast Asia and Roadtrip across North America in the same category. I'd actually change the last one to Roadtrips in North America to cover regional trips and circuits (starting point = destination) too. On the other hand, I'd create another type of article (a "visit article"?) for things like One week in Barcelona, which strictly speaking is not an itinerary but rather a city trip. (WT-en) D.D. 13:00, 8 Sep 2003 (PDT)

 * I think we have more than one idea happening here-- 1)the sort of list-like itineraries such as One month in Southeast Asia and 2)the more detailed 'how to' and 'what to see' such as Gunbarrel Highway. But I dont see much difference between a "visit article" and plain-old guide (ie do we really want One week in Barcelona, Two days in Barcelona and Barcelona?). I was thinking itineraries would be more of an index of places, plus some "Prepare" info, and links to related activities/issues pages (aka "Other ways of seeing travel" I thinkwe're calling them). Much like we have a list of North America destinations, the itineraries would be non-geographical (or not necissarily geographical) lists. thoughts?(WT-en) Majnoona

 * There's room for both of them. But we need to do the generalities first and THEN the specifics. It's more important to have an article on Barcelona as a whole than it is to have 'unmissable highlights for music addicts' or 'Art Museums of Barcelona Central' or 'the Shopaholic's Guide to Barcelona' etc.  As for North America - Roadtrips of North America would be a better page than the singular - there IS no singular because it's too darned big! (WT-en) KJ 18:14, 8 Sep 2003 (PDT)

Maj, you're right about the Barcelona stuff. However, we could have (1) a Barcelona article which deals with the city as such and (2) a Visit Barcelona article which lists things to see and do for certain time frames (2 days, 1 week, ...) or for certain interests (art, culture, ...). Alternatively this could also go in the Barcelona article proper, but I'm not sure about this. Similarly, I'm not too comfortable with articles like One month in Southeast Asia. Why stick to one month? What if I have two weeks? Or two months? We could include different time frames in an article like Southeast Asia itineraries. One part of such an article could be structured around different lengths of time and what to see within those time frames. A second part could be structured around certain interests (temples, adventure, ...). I'm not sure I understand what you mean by a "non-geographical itinerary". Isn't an itinerary by definition geographical? (You go from A to B, from B to C, etc.) If it is non-geographical then it's probably an "Other way of seeing travel" article. No? KJ, I more or less agree with you to deal with the relatively general things first. But on the other hand, what if someone is an art lover and went to Barcelona several times? If such a user wanted to create a list of art sites and museums in Barcelona as part of Visit Barcelona, who are we to prevent that (supposing it's a valuable list)? It might even encourage others to write articles about the items in the list. We do have to take care however not to create too many lists without accompanying articles. I'm actually seeing three kinds of articles: (WT-en) D.D. 13:06, 9 Sep 2003 (PDT)
 * 1) Visit X which are mainly lists of things to do and see in a certain place (X) for different time frames and different interests;
 * 2) Y itineraries which are possible itineraries in a certain area (Y) for different time frames and different interests (these can also include articles like Roadtrips of North America);
 * 3) The detailed itinerary articles proper.

Frankly, I really like the idea behind One month in Southeast Asia -- a trip-planning guide for folks with a given amount of time. Dhum Dhum asks why not Two weeks in Southeast Asia? I'd say, BY ALL MEANS. We might even want to have a collection page -- Itineraries in Southeast Asia -- or have a section of the country or large city templates linking to itineraries.

Yes, very literal people might think: hrm, I can't go to Southeast Asia, because I'm going for 13 days or 17 days instead of two weeks. Most travellers, however, will grok that it's a suggested itinerary, and that they should riff on it and add or remove their own. Itineraries are an important part of travel -- timing is so crucial. Knowing the right itinerary can mean the difference between having a great and fulfilling trip, and getting stuck on some isolated, ugly island waiting for the weekly ferry. It's really really helpful to share good itineraries.

I agree with Karen that the easiest way to work is from the destination-type articles to the itinerary-type articles, but if someone puts good info in an itinerary article, I see no reason to scrap it.

I also think that Gunbarrel Highway or Route 66 or Annapurna Circuit are "itineraries", although much more fixed than One month in Southeast Asia. -- (WT-en) Evan 13:21, 9 Sep 2003 (PDT)

 * I completely agree. The problem I have with an article like One month in Southeast Asia is with the article as it is (limited to one month), not with the idea behind it, which I like very much. The notion of a collection page is the same as I expressed as Y itineraries or Itineraries in Y (where Y is a region).
 * What you say in your second paragraph is quite obvious. I never meant to say that we should have an itinerary for every number of days. Depending on the region it could go from a few days to two months or so, with a few intermediate time frames. (WT-en) D.D. 11:51, 10 Sep 2003 (PDT)

Go
"Go" might be a bit too general (which is good enough for some itineraries). What about "Walk", "Drive", etc. for more specific itineraries (see Gunbarrel Highway, Oodnadatta Track for some examples). (WT-en) DhDh 16:11, 11 Jan 2004 (EST)

What is an Itinerary?
I've checked several guideline and discussion pages, but I couldn't find an answer to the following question: Is something like a 3 hour walking hike an Initerary or not? Or more generally, does it fit the Wikivoyage goals at all? --- (WT-en) Hansm 2004 Apr 18

 * My personal view is that it depends on the itinerary itself. If that 3 hour walking hike is close to a city, town, park, or whatever we already have an article for, it probably does not qualify as an itinerary. In that case it should be incorporated in the appropriate article. If the three hour itinerary stands completely on its own, i.e. starting point and destination are not towns or cities, it is not contained in a park, then it probably deserves an article. I guess there must be examples of that, but I can't think of one off the top of my head. (WT-en) Akubra 11:07, 18 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * A possible exception would be that there's so much to tell about the itinerary, that it would swamp the article it's contained in. In that case, I'd think that it also deserves a separate article. (WT-en) Akubra 11:11, 18 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Thank you, Akubra. My idea was to write an article about a short mountain-hike that would need to describe some details like "leave te road from blabla to somewher at km 13.6", "walk up through a forest on rocky ground", "always stay directly on the ridge", etc. Perhaps with a picture of the scenery. If I understand you right, that should be enough for to become an article by its own. --- (WT-en) Hansm 11:54, 2004 Apr 18 (EDT)

 * I think that such a walk wouldn't be an "itinerary", per se, but more of an attraction to be visited.

 * That said, I think we might need to start dealing with these. There have been a few contributions along the lines of "A walking tour of Melbourne". It's a tough call. --(WT-en) Evan 13:07, 18 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Yes, I agree with (WT-en) Akubra on this one - if it's going to swamp an article, it should really be moved elsewhere. I shifted a walk along the South Bank of the Thames to its own page, to stop it overwhelming London/South Bank. - (WT-en) MykReeve 13:36, 18 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Discuss "safety" before you describe details of the itinerary?
The template suggests correctly that we should treat "preparations" before we describe the itinerary itself (assuming for longer itineraries that one would not go through all the details of "go left" and "go right" before actually leaving home). The aspect of "safety" (which might include getting necessary vaccinations in advance, and other preparations), however, is rather supposed to be treated after the descriptions - with a good chance of being totally neglected until the trip is over. I strongly suggest that we deal with safety aspects in the "Preparation" section and/or (when there are real dangers) in an adjacent section. See E11 hiking trail for an example. DrMennoWolters (talk) 20:47, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I think things like vaccinations make sense under "Preparation", but for things like dealing with pickpockets, inclement weather, etc that might be better placed under "Stay safe". In general, just use your best editorial judgment to ensure that things go in the section that makes the most sense given the context. -- Ryan • (talk) • 21:15, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

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Wikivoyage talk:Japanese/与那国

This is intended as a testbed and Japanese Wikivoyage's first DotM. IMHO the standard listing format, faithfully copied, look pretty crappy in Japanese. Let's try to make this look good and migrate the listing format to the templates. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:43, 14 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Bold text, css
I think the style-sheet is going to have to be adjusted for Japanese. Bold text simply doesn't seem to be working. -- (WT-en) Mark 01:21, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * I see lots of bold text on Safari -- and not just the larger fonts used for some of the headlines. Or did you mean something else?  For example, the part that says 福山海運 is bolded. -- (WT-en) Colin 04:10, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * Bold is OK, italic is not (and is disabled in LanguageJa.php already). However, the default Japanese font size is way too small.  I notice that the Wikivoyage main.css defaults to contentSub { font-size: 84%;, while ja-wikipedia has 120% and en-wikipedia has 100%. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:17, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)

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Wikivoyage talk:Japanese Wikivoyage Expedition

日本語
皆さん、こんにちは. 日本語できない野蛮人ですから、絶対私が書いた探検ページのカタコトを直して下さい. (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:40, 16 Oct 2004 (EDT)

サイトの翻訳
で、仲人の選挙の後は何をすればいいのでしょう？Project:Language_version_policyによると、go-betweenが選ばれてサーバーがセットアップされて（まだされていないみたい？）、そしてThe first monthの間に最低必須の8つのセクションを訳さなければならないのかな？じゃあ、とりあえず、このページを使って、Project:aboutでも訳してみようかな. (WT-en) Ado

 * その前にまず インターフェースファイル の訳が必要です.

 * ただ、今の物が最新なのかがちょっと不明です（Talk を参考）. 以前に Evan に聞きましたが、回答がありませんでした. なので、英語版インターフェース(Project:LanguageEn.php)から新規に、とにかく取り掛かった方が良いかもしれません. （後からアップグレードしても、文章を転送すればいいので. ） -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 01:49, 25 Apr 2005 (EDT)

English
I suspect I'm breaking a little precedent here by introducing a dual-language Expedition, but Japan is a little further away from Wikivoyage's current domain and there's much more of a cultural barrier to cross — this way we will have some assurance that folks signing up know what they are getting into. I'll be happy to attempt to translate any Japanese comments on request. (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:40, 16 Oct 2004 (EDT)

You should not say "野蛮人". It sounds really strange and stupid. ((WT-en) KagakuyaSan 18:48, 29 Mar 2005 (EST))

 * I'm a barbarian, so I don't know the right word for barbarian! So what would be better? (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:29, 29 Mar 2005 (EST)

 * It's OK to say "野蛮人" (unless you bite me!). by the way, I voted for you as "仲人". (It's funny because "仲人" is usually for marrige. maybe marrige of WikiTravel E and J?) (WT-en) Ado 05:07, 24 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Wikivoyage:Aboutの訳
Project:Aboutの訳（後に本当のページに移しましょう. あまり訳も良くないだろうし、使い方などよく分かってないので、いろいろ教えてください. ）

 * どうもありがとう. Project:Japanese/ウィキトラベルについてに移動しました. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:21, 8 Jun 2005 (EDT)

plunge forward ってちょっとしたキメ言葉な感じですが、どう訳すのがいいかなぁ、、、

 * 直訳ですけど、「飛び込んで進め」はどう？　あとWikivoyagerって言えば、「ウィキトレベラー」とか「ウィキ旅人」かな�� (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:48, 9 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Translation?
So, is the translation done? Are we ready to roll out? I've got to do an upgrade to the newest 1.4.x version of Mediawiki anyways, so it might be a good time to add ja. --(WT-en) Evan 09:34, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * I think the LanguageJa.php file is ready to roll, so if you're OK with us working on the rest of the interface in a "live" system instead of a local sandbox then I think we're good to go... but expect to be pestered regularly with CSS tweak requests as we start (see eg. Project:Japanese/与那国). (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:20, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)

ja: ready to go
The language version is now running; see: http://ja.wikivoyage.org/wiki/. You can interwiki-link to and from all the other Wikivoyage versions, and you can interwiki link to Wikipedia ja with "WikiPedia".

Some things that need work:

 * I can't seem to get Apache to like the idea of redirecting to ja:メインページ for the main page. I'll continue to work on it. Right now it goes to ja:Main Page, which in turn redirects to メインページ. Functional but inelegant.
 * There are, as you can probably tell, a number of un-translated strings in the interface. I'll post a list of ones that need to be translated, and we can work the rest of them out.
 * Jpatokal and Paul Richter, please let me know when you've set up accounts, and I'll twiddle the bits to make you admins.
 * "Dmoz:" interwiki links don't yet work. I can't figure out what the "Regional" URL is (see http://dmoz.org/World/Japanese/ ). Help?

I'll also leave all the fun of announcing the new version to the members of this expedition. Congratulations on getting this language version started; I'm very excited about it! --(WT-en) Evan 13:52, 18 Jun 2005 (EDT)


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Good idea! (WT-en) Majnoona 23:08, 19 Feb 2006 (EST)

I don't really think that "copyedit" is Wikivoyage jargon per se. I'm going to remove it unless others think it really belongs here. (WT-en) Majnoona 07:56, 29 March 2006 (EST)

Jargon is a barrier to newbies
''Swept in from the Traveller's Pub

Will someone please tell me what isln stands for? I often come across those jorgons like vfd especially in discussion pages. Search engine does not help me to find those words' meanings. Maybe a glossary page for them? Or discourage to use them.(WT-en) Nightingale 11:31, 19 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * isIn stands for "is in", see Template talk:IsIn. VfD is Project:Votes for deletion. Unfortunately shorthand like this evolves out of necessity, because long-term users will isin, vfd, rvt etc hundreds of articles...  And actually, a Google search for vfd will explain the concept in the first result! (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:35, 19 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * Maybe we should start a Project:Jargon page to make it easier for new users? I think it'd be a nice addition to Project:tips for new contributors. --(WT-en) Evan 12:18, 19 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * Thank you. I support Evan's idea that is user-friendly.(WT-en) Nightingale 11:59, 20 Feb 2006 (EST)

What does this mean?
AFAIK? -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 16:52, 31 October 2006 (EST)

 * "As far as I know". That's more of a bit of email and newsgroup slang, not really Wikivoyage jargon, but it may be useful nonetheless. Some other ones that may be worthwhile: AFAICT (as far as I can tell), IIRC (if I remember correctly), FWIW (for what it's worth), YMMV (your mileage may vary -- in other words, it works for me, but it might not for you), AIUI (as I understand it), IMHO (in my humble opinion). I'm not sure if it's our job to document all this kind of abbreviation, but maybe we could link to pages that do...? --(WT-en) Evan 17:10, 31 October 2006 (EST)

 * Thanks. I occassionally see these acronyms on Wikivoyage and I have no idea what it means and occassionally throws off the meanin of a comment so I'd suggest adding them. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 18:30, 1 November 2006 (EST)

 * I've added a link to WikiPedia:List of Internet slang, which hopefully solves the problem. I tend to agree with Evan that we probably don't want to create a list of all internet jargon here - it's not travel specific, and it would hide the Wikivoyage-specific jargon. -- (WT-en) Ryan 18:44, 1 November 2006 (EST)

 * Great idea! -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 19:07, 1 November 2006 (EST)

up for userpages
Is "up" really widely used for "user pages"? I've never seen it here, especially in lower case. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 11:33, 11 November 2008 (EST)

wv
Is it just me, but doesn't "wv" stand for Wikiversity, not Wikivoyage? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:21, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

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2019 proposals...
Okay let's open the discussion.

My preference would be, given that we did a sci-fi themed destination last year that we go for something historical this year. (even though I've put in some sci-fi related proposals...

 * I also had an idea to have a meta guide to Wikivoyage, so that might be interesting if we are capable of ribbing each other and the site as a whole without causing offence.

 * Nano-tourism would be fun, but could easily be done next year or the year after that. It's certainly an "all weather" destination as far as joke articles are concerned.

 * How would a history article work?

 * Brexitannia might just be too horrible, actually.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:29, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

 * Pick a destination that's historically significant and write a travel article for it at a given date, (like was done for East Berlin.), That's why I put The Great Exhibition and Festival of Britain in the options.  Can you think of other historically significant places that would have existing source material to draw on? ( Like Imperial Rome,  Southwark in the Tudor period, The Call of the Wild Frontier..) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:19, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I also plan to around April 1st add some updates to existing joke articles ;) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:19, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

 * Well I would dispute some Nano-tourist destinations as being all-weather. Lawn safari's need it to be dry. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:21, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

 * What if we wrote the history article as if it either had just happened or was still to come? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 15:12, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Well for something like the Great Exhibition, a guide would be commenting on competing rail companies offers, some choice comments about transport to Hyde Park, which boarding houses to 'avoid' etc.. and that you should guard your pocket watch in crowds. Writing style would thematically be more akin to the  various travel guides published in the 19th century ( Bradshaw, Badeker and others)?
 * By comparison for the Festival of Britain (which was multi-sited) you'd be mentioning ferry routes, liner timings, British Railways, the nearest tube at Waterloo (which was upgraded for the event), food rationing still being in force, and so forth... Most likely you could thematically write this guide using an American correspondent style of the late 40's. And London in 1951 still had some more old-fashioned cultural attractions, that would be mentioned alongside the Festival itself..

 * If you wanted to do a three-period article covering both the above as well, you could also include "the Millenium Dome" which is thematically linked..ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:01, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Another board 'historical' article would be to do the US circa 1976, (given the factual information that went into Time Travel, I can imagine it's feasible).

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:01, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

 * I think I said it before at some point, but the best Joke articles have been the ones that as many voyagers as possible know and can write something/anything about without having to google stuff. ϒψιλον  (talk ) 17:10, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

 * Yeah, my gut feeling is that history-focused articles, especially really specific and obscure events like these, would not encourage a lot of people to join in for fun. It might be more like a homework assignment than an April Fools joke.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:19, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

 * Okay, then, thanks for the views.. I might develop some stubs on my time though...  And welcome a further discussion about the development of 'historically' focused articles, for other reasons.  ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:53, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

 * Another proposal I had considered listing was one of the many cinematic universes, but Middle Earth and Narnia had already been done.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:55, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

 * Atlantis? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 01:28, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Never mind, it's already been done. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 01:29, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I had a couple thoughts: Traveling with Jack Benny and Devil's Island. However, I like the nano-tourism idea. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 01:52, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Time to decide
Less than two weeks left to April 1, so it's time to decide what we should do. Even if many if not most Wikivoyagers aren't that interested in this any longer (as some of the discussions above and the decline in interest over the years indicates) I'd really like to see a joke article on the Main Page one last time, at least.

So is it nano-tourism, Wikivoyage, maybe even Joke_articles/TravelRant or something else (last year I suggested Gibberish phrasebook)? -- ϒψιλον (talk ) 05:31, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

 * Nano-tourism looks good to me. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:07, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

 * Agreed. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 14:15, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

 * Great, maybe ShakespeareFan00 should move it out of their userspace to Joke articles/Nano-tourism, then. -- ϒψιλον (talk ) 17:24, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * ShakespeareFan00 Is on WikiBreak but he's said he's happy with the change so RhinosF1 (talk) 18:43, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ RhinosF1 (talk) 18:45, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, I don't think he's on Wikibreak. It is on his user page that he says he's on Wikibreak, but his userpage hasn't been updated for almost a year, so I think he probably had a Wikibreak some time ago but simply forgot to take down the notice. Thanks for doing the work, though! --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 23:01, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm in communication with ShakespeareFan00 and following issues on other projects he is taking a WMF wide WikiBreak until 1st April and will then return to a few sites. He is aware of the discussion and Advised me that he was happy. He's taken a longer WikiBreak until 2021 on English Wikipedia and commons. RhinosF1 (talk) 06:38, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Please also check his contributions. RhinosF1 (talk) 06:40, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry, I'm obviously behind on all the news. I will check his contributions. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 13:46, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , no problem! RhinosF1 (talk) 16:17, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I've contributed to the future joke article, but my jokes aren't very funny, so please feel free to adjust them and improve them. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 22:39, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Time to start thinking about 2020's article?
It's a little more than two months until April Fool's day! What do you say, is the community interested in doing a joke article this year? There are dozens of article suggestions in discussions above. --Ypsilon (talk) 20:44, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

 * I would suggest a specific place/time combination (like was done with East Berlin)... What was happening in 1920 globally? (I Do not really want to suggest the British Empire Exhibition because I suggested the Festival of Britain previously..)  ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:41, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

 * Alternatively, are you familliar with Bunyan's allegorical work? The_Pilgrim%27s_Progress.
 * (Aside) That also suggests, someone trying to do a broadly historical travel topic style article on visiting holy sites in Europe :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:26, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

 * Whatever we end up doing, it should be something with broad appeal among editors and readers. Something too obscure will result in just one or two contributors writing for a small audience.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:11, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

 * Btw, I think the idea of using a historical event from 1920 is a good one in principle, though the year itself was a bit on the violent side: wars, revolutions, all the fallout from the end of World War I. Possibly the only positive 'news story' of international significance I could see on the 1920 Wikipedia article was the first meeting of the League of Nations. How that would be worked into a humorous travel article is not clear to me yet, but maybe it could work?--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:32, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

 * In the age of post-truth, may I suggest my suggestion from — State of Denial? --Ypsilon (talk) 09:50, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Places to go after you die
Why stop traveling just because you've stopped breathing? https://www.theonion.com/7-places-you-have-to-go-after-you-die-1843824923 —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:33, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

 * That isn't relevant to this page Freyr Brown (talk) 04:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Some of our contributors like to post links to articles, in some cases trivia but in other cases important travel information that requires updating of our articles. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 14:32, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a proposal for next year's April Fool's Day page. Maybe an itinerary this time?  WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:07, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't find it funny to be honest especially in light of current pandemic. OhanaUnitedTalk page 01:13, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * May be a case of "too soon", I agree but I think travel in the afterlife would make a great article. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:19, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's "too soon". I think it's "NEVER". As of today, there's been 6.8 million infections and almost 400,000 died. We don't joke about the Spanish flu, MERS, H1N1, nor SARS. So why should COVID-19 gets different treatment? That's why I agree with Freyr Brown. It's not relevant to this page. OhanaUnitedTalk page 05:43, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * To be clear, the above is some black humor that I wouldn't publish here. I think doing a "tour" of Heaven or Nirvana could be done in a lite-hearted enough manner. Still possible controversial but not as provocative as the above link. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:53, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, even without any ongoing pandemic an article like the one you linked to wouldn't be appropriate even as an April Fool's article. A "Tour of Heaven" maybe. Ypsilon (talk) 08:52, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * FYI: Freyr Brown’s username is now CupcakePerson13. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 11:33, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I was thinking about a tour of all the famous places: Heaven, Hell, Nirvana, Purgatory, Elysium, etc.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:40, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

April fools 2021
This year, I want to go to Before Times. They were kind of nice the last time I was there, and it was so much easier for the traveler. Take a leisurely drive on back highways, knowing that you could stop at any gas station or convenience store to get what you forgot to pack. Speed through the airport without getting your temperature checked. Set foot on a cruise ship with only norovirus to fear. Join the surging crowds on the subway. Hug family members when you arrive. Does anyone want to go with me? WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:26, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

 * Absolutely not. As a travel wiki, and especially as a wiki that during the pandemic has explicitly offered itself up as an escapist vehicle for "armchair travellers" who would otherwise be travelling in real life, we need to be very careful about how we treat the pandemic and pandemic-related themes. It goes without saying that we should include information in Wikivoyage that's legitimately useful to travellers, such as the COVID-19 pandemic article itself and the COVID-related infoboxes at the top of country articles and others higher up in the breadcrumb hierarchy. But reminders of the "Before Times" - a term I viscerally loathe, FWIW - are a very serious emotional trigger for many of our readers and editors, and it would be insensitive and inappropriate to make light of the subject in a joke article, least of all one that gets top billing on our Main Page. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:08, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Reminding people of what was normal in the past also gives us hope for the future, and talking about what we miss promotes good mental health. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:22, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * That may be true for you. But for others - including me, and including a large majority of those I've interacted with on both a personal and professional level - normality is already something that seems to exist in some inaccessible fantastic realm not unlike how we portray our April Fool's joke articles, and living through this pandemic is incredibly distressing. In these trying times, it's more necessary than ever for people to try to see things from others' point of view. And coming up with a different topic that we can all enjoy is not a difficult proposition, especially this early in the game when the article hasn't even begun to be written yet. So again, let's please have a little more consideration, especially for those who are on Wikivoyage for escapist purposes and would prefer not to have reminders of the pandemic thrown in their face at every turn, as happens in real life. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:54, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Andre, did you just say that it's necessary for me to see things from your point of view, right after you forcefully dismissed mine as a point of new that only "may" be true "for me"? I hope you didn't mean that.
 * If you think that there should be a different topic, I'd be happy to hear your suggestions. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:54, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * First of all, no, I didn't say it was necessary for to see things through my point of view. If you reread my remarks, hopefully you will see they are in the spirit of ttcf first and foremost. It happens to also be my personal viewpoint, but that has no bearing on the validity of my argument. Second of all, I'm confused as to the position you're staking out here. I've already explained the downside of running Before Times as our April Fool's article, but what I've yet to hear is the alleged downside of "coming up with a different topic that we can all enjoy", as I suggested above? Why is it absolutely necessary that we publish this particular article, regardless of what our readers' reaction may be? I'm honestly trying to assume good faith and see this as something other than you feeling disappointed that your idea didn't get the reception you were hoping for. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:41, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Remaining in good taste has always been a problem when considering what topic to go with for April Fools Day and how to cover it. I agree with Andre that the topic you're proposing would be deeply depressing and not funny at all, except maybe in a very darkly sardonic way. I'd much rather have no joke article than the one you want to run. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * For anyone interested, there are already a couple of suggestions at Wikivoyage talk:Joke articles.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:17, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Andre, I repeat: I'd be happy to hear your suggestions.  NB that I don't want to hear a suggestion from you that other people should do the work of coming up with other ideas.  I'm asking that you make a constructive suggestion yourself.   WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:26, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The fact that the original proposal was unacceptable remains true regardless of whether or not I have offered an alternative. As a Wikivoyager, I am interested in the overall reader experience, hence my participation in this discussion, but I have never been particularly interested in participating in the April Fool's article tradition, even during non-COVID times. I don't begrudge those who do enjoy it, but I personally don't, and the act of exercising my right not to participate in it does not mean I waive my right to participate in other areas of site governance, such as determining what does and doesn't belong on the Main Page. If you'd like some alternative ideas, ChubbyWimbus has already suggested two, ThunderingTyphoons! has pointed you to a place where there are others, and I'm sure anyone else who enjoys the April Fool's tradition would love to share their preference. But, to make myself absolutely clear, I will not be sharing any of my own. And quite frankly, your insistence on hearing one specifically from me comes off as rather dismissive of the ideas others have already offered, which seem quite well-considered. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:56, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I liked the original idea and I'm surprised that it could be considered triggering. There are reminders of the pandemic everywhere, including on this site. Powers (talk) 00:52, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

(indent) Of the article suggestions linked by ThunderingTyphoons!, I like the Captain Obvious suggestion. I also like the suggestion of the Simpson's Springfield IF there are enough people with knowledge about the places in Springfield and events that occurred there or other tidbits to make it fun and interesting. I have of course seen many episodes of the Simpsons myself, but it's been a long time, so I probably don't have the memory to make such an article funny/fun/nostalgic. If others do, it would be a fun feature. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 13:00, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd be enthusiastic to help out with a Springfield article. (A relative owns a travel guide!) Vaticidalprophet (talk) 02:26, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The Simpsons idea has been proposed many times over the years. The obvious problem is that almost all conceivably relevant images would be copyright-protected. If we manage to find a way around that, it would make for a great article, but it's a pretty formidable barrier. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:43, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Commons has a small handful of images that it seems to either consider acceptable or has at least turned a blind eye to that we could use, such as c:File:Gran Sello de la Alcadia de Springfield.svg, c:File:North Takoma mapa.png (not in English, but only sort of an issue), and c:File:MoesBarConcepcion2016.jpg. I think there's definitely something we can do. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 05:28, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think deliberately violating the copyright of a TV show that might be likely to sue is a good idea, just because some images haven't yet been deleted from Commons. This isn't a case of fair use in regard to a permanent work of architecture somewhere. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:06, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * As an aside, we can start a Simpsons Tour article along the lines of Seinfeld Tour. Gizza ( roam ) 00:37, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Draft article
Contributions are welcome at Draft:Springfield (USA). Ground Zero (talk) 16:11, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Earth article for April Fools Day 2021
Only three months to go and we need to come up with some suggestions. My suggestion is 'Earth'. If Earth is actually chosen, then you heard it here first. This idea was created by User:82.3.185.12 and if Earth is chosen, I want to be credited for coming up with it. 82.3.185.12 16:15, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

 * Earth was done in 2007.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:15, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Springfield article
I suggest "Springfield" as the article (as in Springfield from The Simpsons), because I think it would be interesting to see an article about what is there and the people who live there. 82.3.185.12 17:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I like that idea, and would be up for contributing to it. The best April Fools articles are those that everyone in the community can contribute to without specialist knowledge, so generally "fandom" topics don't really work because they're niche almost by definition, but The Simpsons has been around for so long and is so well-known internationally, that it might just work. I'd be interested to know if anyone disagrees.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, for example, The Simpsons is an American show, but I live in the United Kingdom and still know about it. 82.3.185.12 09:59, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Springfield (The Simpsons) would be a good starting point for someone interested in working on this. Ground Zero (talk) 19:53, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * As I said in the travellers' pub, I'd be happy to help out with this idea, and it's indeed one people (e.g. the show's creators) have had before, so there's quite a lot of pseudo-tourism information to work with. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 02:27, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Springfield is an interesting idea. 2A00:23C7:DD06:1F01:5875:1F17:1221:7A56 10:16, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikivoyage
Repeating my 2019 suggestion from above: "Wikivoyage (along the lines of Joke_articles/Wikipedia)" --Ypsilon (talk) 20:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

 * I think the Wikivoyage idea is a great one, so great in fact that it's worth saving for a special occasion e.g. the 10th anniversary of being called "Wikivoyage" (either next year or 2023, depending on when you're counting from), or the 20th anniversary since Wikitravel was founded, which must be coming up --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:28, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 2023 will be the 20th anniversary, judging by User_rights_nominations/Archives.ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:32, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikitravel's 20th anniversary will be on February 19, 2023 and Wikivoyages's 20th anniversary - well I'm not really sure. The first edit was this one on 2 March, 2009 but Wikivoyage was probably invented a few weeks before. My guess would be 2023 for Wikitravel and 2029 for Wikivoyage, but that might be wrong. 82.3.185.12 08:57, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd go with this one. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:46, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

The Internet
Not the most original idea, as it bears similarities with both the above Wikivoyage idea and last year's article Your House, but the internet remains a place we can all visit and is also a rather easy well to tap for humour.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:23, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Or we could just call it Cyberspace. The dog2 (talk) 20:30, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Travel for dummies / Captain Obvious
An ordinary travel guide article, either a specific destination or something like Travel basics, but the Captain Obvious version, with every minute and patronising detail retained.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:53, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Support. I'd love for every article to have "wear your seat belt" or "the maximum speed limit is 100km/h so don't speed". TravelAroundOz (talk • contribs)

 * Sure, and readers also need to know they will get wet if they go swimming. :) Ypsilon (talk) 09:34, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

 * Not if you grease up :)
 * "Readers should take time to note that many swimming pools will not allow you in if you're caked in animal fat." XD --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:31, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

 * Or, if you are over 90kgs, you will not be allowed on a boat. TravelAroundOz (talk) 07:35, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

 * Or, if you get caught in a rip. Don't panic. No one will come and get you. TravelAroundOz (talk) 07:37, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

LOL 2A00:23C7:DD06:1F01:5875:1F17:1221:7A56 10:16, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

 * It is a sad reality though. If you get caught in a rip, there's about a lifeguard only about on 1% of our beaches. So it's obvious. TravelAroundOz (talk) 10:17, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Gibberish phrasebook
What it says on the tin, really. We're quite a multilingual bunch, so should be able to come up with a nonsense language that pokes fun at phrasebooks, travel in strange lands, and language itself. Including classic phrases like "The pen of my aunt is in the garden" and "My hovercraft is full of eels."--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:53, 17 February 2021 (UTC

 * Support. --Ypsilon (talk) 09:39, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

 * Sure, sounds like a plan. The dog2 (talk) 21:21, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Interesting 2A00:23C7:DD06:1F01:5875:1F17:1221:7A56 10:16, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

April 1st
What about the "Middisland"?

Essentially it's a 'world' building exercise for a 5th 'fictional' constituent of the United Kingdom located where the Dogger Bank is.

Influences are essentially a combination of British, Danish and Dutch.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:00, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Middisland
Middisland is the fifth constituent of the United Kingdom, having been so since the 13th century, previously having been under nominal Saxon and Viking rule.

The major port cites of Westport, and Northmouth link Middisland with the United Kingdom; Denmark and Low Countries. There is a regular ferry service with frequent sailings to Hull and Harwich. Although plans existed for a channel tunnel style link in the 1970's. perceived "geological difficulties"

Despite the low lying nature of portions of the Middisland, the region is exceptionally fertile, and agricultural exports form a good proportion of the countries economy. Eel fishing along the coast is highly prized, and modern 'hover-dogs' have replaced earlier fishing skiffs used for this, as they can rapidly travese the changing flats of the Middis

See:

"Northmouth" Cathedral. Hove-Dogge Heratige and Visitors centere Norsen - The viking experience.

Gilly Gilly Ossenfeffer Katzenellenbogen by the Sea
I recently heard a song with this name, and I thought this could make a good April Fool's suggestion. The town is completely fictional, however I don't think many people would have heard of it. 82.3.185.12 08:09, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Time to make a decision
With less than three weeks to go, it is time to make a decision. I have pinged the five most active contributors of this page so that they can collaborate and make a decision on this years April Fools page. We have eight suggestions by four different users; three by me, three by ThunderingTyphoons!, one by Ypsilon and one by ShakespeareFan00. What do you guys think will make the best April Fools page? 82.3.185.12 08:39, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

 * I'll be out of town for April Fools but I do have plans to make Tourist Drive 33, full of Captain Obvious things just before I go. SHB2000 (talk) 08:44, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks for letting us know. 82.3.185.12 08:45, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Any thoughts? 82.3.185.12 08:49, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, why not consider create an account? SHB2000 (talk 09:08, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Out of my ideas - The internet one is quite boring and didn't attract any support (at least, I don't interpret user:The dog2's comment as support). Several people seem to like the Gibberish idea, and I think it would be fun to work on. I struggle to see how Captain Obvious would work as its own article, but we could insert really boneheadedly obvious advice into regular articles just for the 24 hours of 1 April GMT (though that might upset other members of the community who don't wish to partake in the silliness).

Out of the other ideas, The Simpsons one is the best in my view, and I think lots of people could work on it. We don't actually need to have photos if that would cause copyright problems. Personally, I don't really see Middisland or Gilly Gilly wotsit as viable collaborative projects, but others may disagree.

So yeah, for me it's between Springfield (USA) and the Gibberish phrasebook.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:05, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

My personally preferred proposal continues to be the Simpsons proposal. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 12:14, 13 March 2021 (UTC) I don't want an account, thank you. 82.3.185.12 13:20, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

How about something to do with the Fucking/Fugging rename? Crouch, Swale (talk) 15:00, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, these are the votes so far. 82.3.185.12 13:32, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * This vote table is a good idea, but I don't think the opinions expressed above can really be counted as finalised votes (for instance, I haven't decided yet). I would invite each user to enter their vote themselves.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:15, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

There is already a page about that, see Fugging. I’ll add it to the table anyway though. 82.3.185.12 15:49, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Voting for 2021 April's fool

 * This is a project I'm not going to participate in, so I don't think my vote should count. I think Springfield is a better subject, for what it is worth. Ground Zero (talk) 19:14, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Springfield. Gibberish phrasebook is a good idea, but I would rather avoid it since we deleted the Esperanto phrasebook, which is a much more valid made-up language. AlasdairW (talk) 23:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you everyone. 82.3.185.12 16:28, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Getting started
After all this chatter, no one has started this, so I will take a stable at it. I am creating this as a draft as it will need a lot of work. Draft:Springfield (USA). Ground Zero (talk) 13:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 3 more days left SHB2000 (talk)  09:23, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

April 2022
ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:00, 25 February 2022 (UTC) Other suggestions? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:01, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Some other suggestions from me:
 * About Stubbington (England), which I made a draft here. It's a little different kind of April Fools article
 * A small itinerary on Zzyzx Road in California. Nothing too special about it, but I did a side trip on that road in 2019 merely because of its name
 * Fugging or Shitterton as what @Crouch, Swale mentioned last year (Shitterton is my addition tho).
 * Gibberish phrasebook as mentioned last year
 * Wikinews SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:22, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Zzyzx Road, Off it there is maze of twisty side streets all alike? . :) LOL ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:34, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd wish there was, but the road just leads to a CSU Desert Studies Center :-( SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:39, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

 * I'd personally support Da'nunder, as I had some thoughts on what to put in an intial 'Understand' section.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:48, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I like your Da'nunder draft. Pretty cool. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:18, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes I'd go with Fugging/Fucking given the name change. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:03, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I'd want to avoid that. Those who live in Austria are probably tired of seeing a name of their's continually being mocked because of an English vulgarity. What seems unusual to us English speakers is probably not so unusual in Austria. However, that does not apply to Shitterton given it's in the UK. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:17, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Well the rename just the the other Fugging village years ago seems to be to stop this. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:15, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Not sure if this is a good choice, but I just thought of Gensokyo (幻想郷) from Touhou Project, which will celebrate it's 20th anniversary since the Windows series (that take place in Gensokyo). I'm quite sure that Touhou enjoyed worldwide popularity, especially in East Asia. Moreover, I believe that a more oriental Joke article also shows diversity at here. If this suggestion is inappropriate, then please tell me, thanks.廣九直通車 (talk) 08:55, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Feel free to devleop it :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:07, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't have a contribution myself but I would be in favor of a pick that would imply a physical place rather than something like a VR cyberspace as it gives more options to structure it like an article while also making jokes about things commonly found in regular articles. I sell eggs (talk) 19:29, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

April 1st 2023
So.. As we did some Sci-fi world building last year... Can someone suggest a plausible historical destination for this years effort?

We've done East Berlin previously, so I am wondering if there is somewhere that is historically notable and could have been a tourist destination in the past, but which is very, very different in the current era?

I would have perhaps suggested doing London c. 1952, but that's very UK centric. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:42, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, if you have a date waiting in Constantinople, it would be useful to know how to get there. Ground Zero (talk) 20:34, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

 * Not quite a historical destination, but could the town of Bedrock from The Flintstones be considered? JsfasdF252 (talk) 02:27, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking of doing something different this year. Maybe a link to this? Would it work as a good April 1st joke? SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 05:38, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Some suggestions from earlier years: Gibberish phrasebook and Wikivoyage (it was suggested that this one would be suitable for 2023, the 10th anniversary as part of the Wikimedia family). A popular cultural experience as SHB suggested could also be an interesting option. --Ypsilon (talk) 05:44, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The old forest territories from Warrior Cats? BTW: Warrior Cats is a book series about cats, and in the second series, they move to a new territory, so the old forest territories from Warrior Cats can be considered historical in a way. And it's easy to tap for humor (eg:You can get immortality by going into a cave and touching the glowing rock.)96.19.29.68 23:56, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * An aside, Wikivoyage has done itenaries about destinations connected with specific people.
 * My historical destinations list (Apologies if it's mostly UK focused ) :-

 * Some sci-fi destinations/travel topic:-

 * ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:31, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Banner
Let's go with SHB's suggestion as I said this morning in the pub (12h ago). Testing the banner... Ypsilon (talk) 16:22, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks like we need to make an "article" after all. Ypsilon (talk) 16:31, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

April 1st..
It's march 13th already, and we don't have a decision on what to do for April 1st this year. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:57, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

 * Looking at Category:Joke articles, I'm struggling to think of what in principle we could other than just more fictional places. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:23, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * As per my comment on Wikivoyage talk:Joke articles, I'm struggling to see why we can't change things up a little this year and link this? SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:21, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe an article on bad advice? "Pet all the fluffy cows, leave food out in bear country, drive fast on blind curves..." WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I've said it before and I say it again, on Wikivoyage talk:Joke articles there are many suggestions from earlier years from Wikivoyage to Gibberish phrasebook, and Travel advice for dummies that hasn't been written or featured yet. Ypsilon (talk) 20:51, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It's Mar 27 now – have we finalised anything yet? If anything, I'll be overseas on Apr 1 so I won't be heavily involved in this anyway. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 04:56, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Something with language(s) could be fun; Gibberish phrasebook or perhaps a guide to Babel's tower in the style of "Sweatpedia - the jailed encyclopedia" ie. Finnish Uncyclopedia. Ypsilon (talk)
 * Nobody's apparently really interested in developing anything this year? Let's then just take SHB's suggestion, shouldn't take long to put into action. A black banner or one with a ton of question marks, the destination's name is Surprise and the description could give a little hint but not as much as to give away what's going to happen. "Surprise" "April's Destination of the Month takes you to a musical destination, almost rock n'roll but not entirely" ;) --Ypsilon (talk) 04:45, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * If we don't want to send people offsite, we could link to Special:RandomInCategory/Previous Destinations of the month. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:05, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * SHB's unorthodox suggestion now has two supports (myself since this morning). Ypsilon (talk) 17:14, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * In case there was interest in actual article : Joke articles/Time travel/Coronations, I've added two from the United kingdom, but would appreciate some Global perspective in it. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 07:31, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Am I allowed to start a joke article with my suggestion? (it's the fictional town of Bedrock) JsfasdF252 (talk) 02:08, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure, but be sure to keep it within the Wikivoyage:Joke articles sub-page structure. Don't forgot to add the QANZAT code (Wikidata ID) for the destination. :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 07:04, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

April Fools article?
April 1st will be here in only 4 days! is the Wikivoyage community going to create a special April Fools article this year too?

This year, I myself have tried to import this tradition to the Hebrew Wikivoyage - Since there aren't many people active there I decided that the first article created over there under this project be based on the article the English Wikivoyage community created back in 2010 about Mordor. Had to do a lot of rewriting and add more stuff for the humor to work well in Hebrew. (Original article on Hebvoy, Same page but with English translation using Google Translate)

ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 16:27, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

 * It's being discussed in a thread above here in the pub. --Ypsilon (talk) 16:47, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

 * Someone needs to start writing it. Whom usually is the first to do so? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 17:05, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

 * It can be anyone, I apparently started Mars in 2018 and Atlantis in 2011 (BTW in 2011 articles weren't started before April 1). Ypsilon (talk) 17:17, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

 * Hmmm, but someone need to decided what the final choice is from all of the suggestions? Anyone can be that person and pick one of the suggestions even when a clear choice hasn't been made? isn't the point that it would be featured on April 1st on the front page (for a week?). If we only start it on April 1st we probably can't link to it from the featured banner on the main page, right? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 18:33, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

April 2024
An idea for a joke article for April 1 of 2024 might be about the role of werewolves during the April 2024 Total Solar Eclipse. Nicole Sharp (talk) 03:36, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

"Eclipses in Mythology and Religion" has some more interesting ideas for an April 1 joke article relevant for the Solar Eclipse on April 8. This can be both entertaining and educational since an eclipse joke article can also have the ability to explain some of the science, history, culture, and mythology of eclipses. Nicole Sharp (talk) 04:15, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Joke
A photon was checking in to a hotel. The person at the reception desk asked, "Any luggage?"

"No," replied the photon. "I’m traveling light." WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:35, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

 * Any excess baggage, then? SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:14, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

It might be nice to have a page on Wikivoyage with travel-related jokes that can be used for small talk to break the ice with fellow passengers on a long train/bus ride or airplane flight. Nicole Sharp (talk) 11:09, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

 * I'm sweeping this here for the lack of a better page. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 12:07, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

April 2024: Funny-sounding but real places?
We're two weeks away from April 1st. I'd suggest that this year we do what Wikipedia does and suggest implausible-sounding but real places for DOTM, OtBP and Travel topic, and fortunately we already have a list: Places with unusual names. But which ones are good enough to feature? Dildo? Batman? Maybe a Morón & Mörön double bill? Jpatokal (talk) 22:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

 * With 3 days left, would you like to propose a last-minute draft? -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm traveling for the next 3 days and will have limited net access :/ Jpatokal (talk) 10:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

April 1st..
Any thoughts? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:28, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

 * I had an idea already the last year, but have yet to finalize it... Do we do this 'in secret'? :-D -- andree 09:14, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * In the past, it's been done as collabrative draft in userspace. What's the idea? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:18, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Basically something like https://www.reddit.com/r/place (or also The_Million_Dollar_Homepage), but with world map, and editors could claim some land (and in return must do some edits there, to keep it! :) ). -- andree 08:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * r/place but without the bots, shall we put it? -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:20, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Last year we decided to do something different and rickroll our readers. I want to do something similarly unconventional this time but I'm not sure what. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 09:44, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I had a suggestion, which might be a bit interesting, which was 'travel' into one's gender expression, But wasn't sure how that might work within a typical WikiVoyage type article, whilst remaning respectful to genuinely Transgender readers. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:24, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That sounds extremely difficult, especially since what feels respectful varies from culture to culture. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with WhatamIdoing. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 19:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * As a last-ditch effort, I made a very low-effort page on User:SHB2000/Stubbington – as you can probably tell, it's very minimalist. Provided we find a banner, are we good to feature this on Monday? -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 06:09, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Great article! I have one more touch in mind, tbd on Monday, though :-) -- andree 07:08, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * We could use File:My House FTT Banner.jpg as a banner - an unused one from 2020, but something more stub related would be better. AlasdairW (talk) 00:43, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikivoyage talk:Joke articles would be the place to discuss this. Ground Zero (talk) 11:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

 * I've kicked off a discussion there. My suggestion: places with unusual names, for example a Morón & Mörön double bill. Jpatokal (talk) 23:01, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * With 3 days left, should we proceed with Jpatokal's suggestion. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:28, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * He himself is busy, so somebody else should do this, or create an article on some other theme. I'll be away too, so won't do it. –LPfi (talk) 16:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

 * Stubbington could work, also because it's the birthday of the recently elected Finnish president :D . Or Travel rant.
 * Other than that, ten years ago we featured Wikipedia. I've suggested to make a joke article about Wikivoyage along the same lines, it'd be something that all of us would know something about. --Ypsilon (talk) 10:32, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that could work, but we only have two days left. It would be nice to feature Wikivoyage, though. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and created a Wikivoyage article in my lab. Also, for folks that were here back in the Wikitravel times may remember that the joke articles were not to be finished by April Fools Day but the articles were rather written during the day. --Ypsilon (talk) 16:35, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Will move it to Joke articles section in an hour or so. And if someone has better ideas, we can always run several articles like in 2016. --Ypsilon (talk) 16:38, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅, the Main Page banner is below. It would be nice if someone could add it to the Main Page in about five hours (midnight UTC), possibly together with any other banners for Joke articles. And feel free to expand the article! --Ypsilon (talk) 18:52, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That works! Thanks for the last minute fix, Ypsi! -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 21:12, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

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Wikivoyage talk:June 2005

It's been quite a month! --(WT-en) Evan 22:23, 22 Jun 2005 (EDT)

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Wikivoyage talk:LanguageDe.php

Please read the comments in the PHP source and compare with the English version if in doubt. Not everything that is blank needs to be translated! -- (WT-en) Hansm 13:01, 2004 Sep 11 (EDT)

Well, the first German version is done, now. It was not so easy to find the items that differ from wikipedia, so hopefully, I won't have missed too many. I would heighly appreciate any reviewing and corrections by other German speaking wikivoyageers. -- (WT-en) Hansm 17:15, 2004 Sep 11 (EDT)

Is this file still in use? If not, where can changes be made? -- (WT-en) Hansm 09:50, 12 March 2006 (EST)

 * You can either send changes to me, and I'll add them to the LanguageDe.php used on the server, or we can enable database messages for de: (most of the other language versions already have it enabled), in which case administrators can change this kind of thing from within the wiki. --(WT-en) Evan 10:04, 12 March 2006 (EST)

 * There are several missconfigurations on de:. So, without having asked Fussi, I would prefere if you would enable the database messages. -- (WT-en) Hansm 10:11, 12 March 2006 (EST)

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Wikivoyage talk:LanguageEn.php

Can this page be locked? There's no conceivable reason for anybody other than Evan to ever change it... (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:51, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)

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Wikivoyage talk:LanguageFr.php

In the language names: -(WT-en) phma 21:42, 5 Feb 2004 (EST)
 * 1) If a name is in parentheses, is that supposed to be the French name of a language, or the native name transliterated into French?
 * 2) If the name of a language contains a character greater than delete (e.g. Latvian), should it look in the editbox like the actual character, or the UTF8 byte sequence?

 * I can check the code on this for you. But if a language name isn't "French", "English", or "Romanian", you can pretty much ignore it for now. Ditto for all the PHP hoohaw at the end of the file. --(WT-en) Evan 22:30, 5 Feb 2004 (EST)

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Wikivoyage talk:LanguageHu.php

Szabad ezt módosítani? --(WT-en) bujatt 11:29, 8 October 2006 (EDT)

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Wikivoyage talk:LanguageIt.php

ISBN
bol.com takes ISBN searches, but I don't know how to add it. ICCU should works too, but it's due to be replaced by internetculturale.sbn.it in the mid-term. -- (WT-en) Simone 03:50, 24 Jan 2006 (EST)

Translation
I have replaced Wikipedia with Wikivoyage as indicated. But. Is Wikivoyage the free encyclopedia? the Italian translation would be l'enciclopedia libera as per it.wikipedia logo - but I suspect a different wording is more to the point. Let me know...(WT-en) Ub 13:52, 30 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Well done, Ub. But Wikivoyage definitely isn't the free encyclopedia. You should use the Italian for "The free travel guide" instead. (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 14:10, 30 May 2006 (EDT)

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Wikivoyage talk:LanguageJa.php

Be careful with this -- LanguageJa.php is a direct import from the Japanese Wikipedia, and it should be cross-referenced to the English Wikivoyage language file (available here). (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:40, 31 Mar 2005 (EST)
 * It seems that the safest thing to do then is start with a fresh LanguageJa.php, copied in full from LanguageEn.php. -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 01:53, 31 Mar 2005 (EST)

 * You might want to check with Evan that the current LanguageEn is indeed the latest as it seems to date from 5 Feb 2004, ie. before the MediaWiki upgrades.

 * Also, LanguageJa.php (the Wikipedia version) imports a "LanguageUtf8.php", is this a standard MediaWiki file? I'm expecting quite a few bugs to crawl out of the woodwork when the first non-Latin Wikivoyage version is launched. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:24, 31 Mar 2005 (EST)

 * I see that "LanguageUtf8.php" is included in Project:LanguageRo.php. It seems that all the other non-English language versions are from a base file which is different from both Project:LanguageJa.php and Project:LanguageEn.php. Perhaps we'll have to translate from French/German/(Swedish/Romanian??) to Japanese?! -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 02:30, 25 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * It seems like "LanguageUtf8.php" will needed only when translasion uses UTF-8 code. (see "General considerations" section of http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_i18n ) so I think we can leave it on Project:LanguageJa.php. -- User:(WT-en) Ado 15:45, 25 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * This file, and the English one, are the up-to-date versions we use on this site. I think I'm also going to need a word meaning "Wikivoyage", unless it's OK to leave it in romanji. --(WT-en) Evan 08:53, 8 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * " ウィキトラベル ". But what do you want to use this for? Note that at least ja-wikipedia still uses "Wikipedia" and "Template" (in romaji) as the namespaces. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:09, 8 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * I was just trying to think of other translation stuff that isn't in the language file. The "site name" is set in a configuration file. It's up to you guys to decide if you want the site name to be in romanji or hiragana. I don't have a horse in that race, but you do need to let me know. --(WT-en) Evan 09:19, 8 Jun 2005 (EDT)

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Wikivoyage talk:LanguageKo.php

테스트입니다. --(WT-en) FriedC 08:41, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

Why doesn't it save at this article? -- (WT-en) Quotation Marks 08:47, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

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Wikivoyage talk:LanguageNl.php

Huh? Hoezo is 't grootste deel hiervan in 't Frans? Dan is 't nog simpeler om een nieuwe LanguageNl.php te nemen van MediaWiki... (WT-en) Guaka 15:07, 21 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Break up/Opbreken
Het zou praktisch zijn zou men alles in delen opbreken. Als er dan iemand een deel vertaalt, is het gemakkelijker om dan ook te verbeteren. Spijitig genoeg is mijn wiki kennis niet groot genoeg om dit te doen.

It would be much easyer for everybody to break this up in sections. I would gladly translate a section, but if I would like to leave it visible what I changed. Sadly my wiki knowledge isn't big enough to do this. ---(WT-en) Twopeak

 * So, we haven't had to do that previously. Now that it's in Dutch and not French, maybe it'll be easier to scan. The key important point is to find mentions of "Wikipedia", "Encyclopedia", "Wikimedia", and "GNU Free Documentation License" or "GFDL" and replace them with "Wikivoyage", "travel guide", "", "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0" and "by-sa 1.0". Does that make sense? --(WT-en) Evan 17:39, 17 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * Sadly, it doesn't: if i do a search on wikipedia, I see a lot of links that won't work for wikivoyage. There's also an email adress in there. --Twopeak213.119.163.25 16:46, 14 Dec 2005 (EST)

"Completed"?
I'm no Dutch expert, but "(Uit http://nl.wikipedia.org)" doesn't seem completed at all. As far as I can tell, this version is exactly what I uploaded from upstream.

I realize everyone wants this to go, so I'll do what I can to translate "Wikipedia" to "Wikivoyage" in the page. I could use a once-over from a native speaker. --(WT-en) Evan 17:03, 15 Dec 2005 (EST)

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Wikivoyage talk:Language.php

aramaic
could any admin change this ("arc" => "ܕܥܒܪܸܝܛ", # Aramaic) because it is wrong with this is ("arc" => "ܐܪܡܝܐ",	# Aramaic), thanks. --(WT-en) Basharh 18:30, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

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Wikivoyage talk:LanguagePt.php

I'm helping on the translation of this page but I'm stuck on Offset - I don't have this word on my En-Pt dictionary, what does a time zone offset mean? Thanks, (WT-en) Rmx 20:54, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * It's the difference between one timezone and another. In this case, it's the difference between the user's timezone and the Wikivoyage server's. --(WT-en) Evan 22:28, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)

\ufffd
What is that flag? Guaka replaced the missing à characters for it. Should I use à instead? All other characters with accents are OK. (WT-en) Rmx 09:17, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)

Translation/proofreading
I have done one last round of translation and copyedit on this page. I tried not to make any changes concerning dialects of the Portuguese language (especially Portugal vs Brazilian Portuguese). If something is written in the way the Portuguese and Africans do, I left it as it is. The text may then be a bit mixed but certainly comprehensible to everyone.

I would say the file is quite usable now. However, I have not compared its structure, tags, flags and that sort of "computer stuff" to the English Language.php file. Nevertheless, I did not remove or change anything, so if the original LanguagePt.php was OK, then I guess the current version is ready to go. (WT-en) Rmx 15:46, 25 Jan 2006 (EST)

Further adjustments
Now that Pt: is up and running, I've noticed some "bugs" - it seems some ajusments will be necessary: Also, on the special pages list, several pages are still listed with their original English title:
 * On the sidebar: “Navigation”, “Today’s log”, “toolbox” and “other sites” still appear in English.
 * The tabs “article”, “discussion”, “edit”, etc, appear in English too.
 * New images gallery
 * Admins list
 * Uncategorized pages
 * Uncategorized categories
 * Dead-end pages
 * Export pages
 * Version
 * All system messages

It looks like some (all?) of those were removed from LanguagePt.php before we translated it. (WT-en) Rmx 12:50, 27 Jan 2006 (EST)

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Wikivoyage talk:LanguageRo.php

I moved this page from the main namespace, since it probably doesn't belong there. --(WT-en) Evan 19:11, 20 Dec 2003 (PST)

 * Yeah - thanks a lot. Ronline also uploaded a two files, one with a .php and one with a .txt extension. You can delete them since they're an exact copy of the LanguageRo locale. (WT-en) Snitz 23:14, 20 Dec 2003 (PST)

Really close
So, I had some problems installing with the language file that was here, so I tried merging it with the one that came with MediaWiki 1.1.0. That's working -- go ahead and peek if you want -- but I need a couple of things translated:

 * "gnunote" and "copyrightwarning" both need to refer to the Attribution-ShareAlike license rather than the GNU Free Documentation License.
 * "Pagina principală" makes for a crummy home-page URL. Is there another phrase we can use for the main page, which doesn't have any non-ASCII characters in it? I need to know the word so I can fudge up Apache to point http://www.ro.wikivoyage.org/wiki/ to it.

That's about it. Otherwise, I'm pretty happy with the way the site looks now, and we can start making whatever announcements we have to. Thanks to everyone who's worked so hard on this. --(WT-en) Evan 23:39, 26 Dec 2003 (PST)

 * I'll modify the file to reflect the ShareAlike license, but concerning Pagina principală, there isn't really another word with ASCII-range characters. There's Acasă, which means home, but that also has a Unicode character. But, if www.wikivoyage.org/ro already redirects to Pagina principală, then it's OK, since in Wikipedia we'd have that too. I'll talk to the other contributors about this too. Thanks, (WT-en) Ronline

 * OK - basically - I've modified the GNU License with the ShareAlike licence, however, under "gnunote", there needs to be an address specified (URL) - what should it be? - Ronline

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Wikivoyage talk:LanguageRu.php

Для начала: просьба воспринимать тему как шуточную, но помнить - в каждой шутке есть доля.... Деньги нужны  :) Не то чтобы очень много, но нужно. :) Вопрос: где их взять? Родителей припрягать - последний вариант. Работать? по личным причинам не покатит, хотя... Ограбить кого-нибудь? Неее... я человек честный. :) Нужны еще варианты. Подсказывайте, любые предложения будут рассмотрены.

 * How do you spell "Huh?" in Russian? -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 21:39, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Чего??? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:42, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

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Wikivoyage talk:LanguageSv.php

This looks great! As far as I can tell, it's ready to go. Any other suggestions before we go live? --(WT-en) Evan 14:36, 12 Aug 2004 (EDT)

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Wikivoyage talk:LanguageTr.php

kaynak kodu çevirisi bitti.sitenin ne zaman açılabileceği konusunda bilgisi olan vikivoyagerlerden mesaj bekliyorum.

(WT-en) Hasan travel 16:03, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
 * Elinize sağlık bi ara hiç bitmeyecek gibi gelmişti. İlgilenen diğer arkadaşa da haber verelim, bundan sonrasını nasıl yapacağımıza karar veririz.--(WT-en) Kuara 04:14, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

Katılmak isteyenler ve aktif görevde bulunmak isteyenlerle birlikte mailleşebiliriz.Ben kendi e-mail adresimi vermek istiyorum.Bir şekilde buradan birbirimize ulaşamassak mail atabilirsiniz.

ne.on.22@hotmail.com

vikipedi mesaj sayfam

vikivoyage mesaj sayfam

(WT-en) Hasan travel 07:29, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

request
Can you please recreate this page? It will used for Turkish Wikivoyage Expedition. Thanks--(WT-en) Kuara 04:06, 27 November 2009 (EST)

 * No, it won't be used. The software does not use the LanguageXX.php pages any longer, it's handled internally -- even if recreated, the page cannot be used in any way.  That's why it was deleted! - (WT-en) Dguillaime 04:33, 27 November 2009 (EST)

title: Wikivoyage talk:LanguageTr.php