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Talk:Kuala Lumpur

Getting to Guide
On the Forbes magazine list of the world's most visited cities (see World cities/Large and sort on the 'F' column), KL ranks 8th. It is the highest-ranking city with an article status of Usable. Can we get it to Guide? Guide status is also required for a nomination at Destination of the month candidates and KL would be an obvious candidate if the article were ready.

The article itself looks ready to me; I haven't checked in detail, but at any rate it is certainly close. The main obstacle to Guide status is that it requires all district articles to be at Usable, and several currently are not. The last four on the list at Kuala_Lumpur each need at least a few entries added for See/Do/Eat/Sleep to get there.

Volunteers? Pashley (talk) 11:32, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Agree Kianchin (talk) 04:45, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA)
I believe Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) needs its own airport article as per the Airport expedition. It is a major hub in the region, alongside Singapore Changi and Hong Kong International. I will create the article later if no one objects? Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:48, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It's a large airport, and as you say, a hub, but the section on KLIA in the article isn't very long or unwieldy. How much of what kind of text would you want to add to what's already in the article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:58, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree that KLIA isn't a huge section at present, however I still think it deserves its own article because A) It is a good distance away from KL, B) It is the gateway to all of Malaysia, not just KL, and C) It is a significant transport hub between places such as Australia and Europe and D) The new T2 terminal is being built that will make it very huge.
 * I walked through it yesterday and thought that it was rather significant an airport --Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:05, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Apologies, I didn't answer your question. Basically add shops, lounges, restaurants, coffee shops, internet and sleep options which are currently not covered. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:09, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * In that case, I'd say go for it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:10, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, if you're going to add more information then go ahead and create the article. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * OK great. Sitting in Kuala Lumpur International Airport right now. Andrewssi2 (talk) 07:08, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Happy travelling! Are you coming or going from KL? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:20, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Actually just leaving after only 3 days (business meetings). I was in KL a couple of years ago for 2 weeks and had a great time, especially visiting Malacca. I hope I get to go for longer next time. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:40, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Districts
I agree Winter.daniel92.here... I have renamed it on de: de:Kuala Lumpur/Tuanku Abdul Rahman, Chow Kit und Kampung Baru.. One more point. You have listed the Masjid Jamek in this article. It should be removed because its part of the Kuala_Lumpur/Central and it's listed there already. Kuala Lumpur/Ampang could be moved to Kuala Lumpur/East there are more parts like e.g. Cheras. And the article includes the independent town of Ampang, not only the Ampang district of KL (this is confusing).... I have separated the Lake Gardens from the Central KL because of the huge amount of information. I am working on KL right now as an example to be stated in our press release next month.... The outer districts are going to be improved next week. Feel frr to pick some information for your articles here. Selamat tahun baru 2014! -- DerFussi 09:40, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * On the face of it, all of this sounds reasonable to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:17, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Districts 2017
I tried to improve the KL districts set-up a bit. Please have a look here. Below is a summary of the main changes:
 * 1) Combined Bangsar and Brickfields to South of city center. Not enough relevant sights for tourists in Bangsar to be worth of a separate article, in my opinion. The few worthwhile eateries, bars and malls there can be described in South of city center.
 * 2) Botanical Garden as new article. Currently the sights of the Garden are described in Brickfields.
 * 3) Furthermore a dynamic map has been set up.
 * 4) The rest remains more or less as it was. Just the naming of the articles can be improved, I would say.

Any comments? I would just move forward and update the Kuala Lumpur page once I am done creating the 2 new articles. Thanks.--Renek78 (talk) 11:30, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

 * Just a marginal comment: We should use British spellings, so "centre", not "center", and for capitalisation, I'd use "North of City Centre", because otherwise, it looks funny to me as an article title or in a regions list. I may get some pushback on this, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:44, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

 * Thanks Ikan Kekek. The pages are now updated. I also renamed a few of the articles.--Renek78 (talk) 12:36, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

 * Another comment: The map is still saved in my sandbox in Commons, since I don't know, where this type of geodata is supposed to be stored.--Renek78 (talk) 12:44, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

 * I guess that kind of question might be most usefully asked either at the Village Pump in Commons or the Travellers' pub here. Thanks for your work! Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:35, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Is taxi advice racist?
This text from Kuala_Lumpur caught my eye: "Malay drivers are generally more inclined to use the meter than Chinese or Indian ones." I've been to KL a few times and never experienced the general negative aspects of taxi drivers in this section, however I don't claim to be widely traveled there. is this particular point true and sage advice? Or is it possibly 'light racism' from an over enthusiastic contributor? Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:55, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately it's probably both true and 'light racism' simultaneously (and provides a potted explanation of why the Malaysian government found it necessary to introduce and retain the "Bumiputera" policy...) --118.93nzp (talk) 04:28, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * See also: http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21576654-elections-may-could-mark-turning-point-never-ending-policy --118.93nzp (talk) 04:33, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

 * The complicated ethnic makeup of Malaysia aside, I'm just asking whether anyone with good local knowledge knows if this is relevant advice?
 * I get the impression from the style of writing in the article about safety that it was written by a local person in the first place. Andrewssi2 (talk) 04:54, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not so sure. There is also advice on in the same section which urges the traveller to watch out for counterfeit notes given as change, and if in doubt to refuse RM100 notes. Since RM100 is the largest denomination Malaysian banknote in circulation, you're unlikely to receive one from a cabbie as change. A taxi from KLIA to the city centre should cost less than RM100. I'd recommend deleting the sentence based on a lack of objective evidence that ethnic Malay taxi drivers as a group are any more honest or dishonest than ethnic Chinese or Indian cabbies. (I last visited KL in December 2013 on a business trip and took two cab rides). Jnich99 (talk) 08:07, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I picked up the RM100 note thing as well (although couldn't recall if it was the largest note). Hard to think of a scenario where you would get change larger than RM50. Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:04, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I've made the relevant deletions. If anyone would like to reinsert, please discuss here first. Jnich99 (talk) 09:04, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

New banner

I'm finding the existing banner a bit blurry, and aside from the Petronas towers not particularly distinct for KL. Would anyone object to looking for a replacement? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:01, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You might be able to find something better. Go for it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:29, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe Banner 2 is a little bit better? I plunged forward and replaced it. --Renek78 (talk) 13:14, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I would agree that it's somewhat better. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:04, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Added a 3rd banner. Unfortunately there is a watermark in the center. Else my personal top pick. --Renek78 (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Watermarks make it an absolute no-go. If you could remove the watermark, you could renominate it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:56, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Added a 4th picture, which has been taken just now. Not super crisp though... Banner 3 without a watermark would be stunning! --Renek78 (talk) 11:35, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Banner 4 SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

 * I think I prefer Banner 2 to Banner 4, as the sky is nicer (it's hazy/smoggy in Banner 4). However, if the skyline in Banner 2 is currently less accurate, maybe we have to consider changing banners. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:06, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * My experience of KL, while there were forest fires in Borneo, is one of haze, but I don't find 4 to be as interesting as 2. I prefer Banner 2. Ground Zero (talk) 17:41, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

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 * File was kept (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Kuala_Lumpur_Skyline_at_dusk_(cropped).jpg), thus reverted the changeset.--Renek78 (talk) 09:31, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Diamond Triangle (Old City Centre, Botanical Garden & North of City Centre)
Just something on top of my head and everyone's opinion is very much needed. We have Kuala Lumpur Golden Triangle that covers the area of Bukit Bintang and Pudu area which is pretty much very modernize. Again, on top of my head, I was thinking if we could classified Old City Centre, Botanical Garden & North of City Centre as Diamond Triangle. Some of you may ask why? I'll tell you why.

Diamonds are famous for their sparkle, or brilliance and it loses its value overtime but it will always, deeply stays at the bottom of our heart and this is how we come out with the word Diamond. These 3 districts used to be the melting pot of Malaysians and was once the city centre until Golden Triangle took over it's role. Now we can see how does this all rhyme together, Old City Centre used to shine a lot as the main place of KL but it has loses its value over time but yet it will forever be a place we all mesmerize.

I am hoping if all of you can agree on my theory and is given green light to classify these 3 districts as Diamond Triangle. I have prepared a write-ups for it and is available to upload in no time at all. Thanks xx Kianchin (talk) 02:23, 06 July 2020 (UTC)

 * I agree with the Diamond Triangle theory, I don't see anything wrong with above mentioned points. As far as I'm concerned, it is important for us to not forget what makes today's Kuala Lumpur Golden Triangle - The Diamond Triangle. Caiyenphang (talk) 03:14, 06 July 2020 (UTC)

 * Hi, guys. I moved the new topic to the bottom, which is where people look for new topics. What is your proposed new districting scheme for the city? In other words, which districts are you proposing for there to be articles for, what are their boundaries, and about how many listings would you expect there to be in each district? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:44, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

 * Hey Mr. Ikan, we were thinking of putting the areas in Old City Centre, Botanical Garden & North of City Centre in our scheme. The boundaries shall start from Sentul Depot and mark the end in Kuala Lumpur Railway Station. Something to clarify, what do you mean by listing? Kianchin (talk) 06:11, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

 * See Listings, but basically, what it means is anything that's interesting enough to cover specifically in the "See", "Do", "Buy", "Eat", "Drink" or "Sleep" sections (there can be listings in "Get in" or "Get around" sometimes, but those are rarely a reason to visit a neighborhood (and when they are, they are often given "See" listings, such as the one for Amsterdam Centraal railway station in Amsterdam/Binnenstad. Could you mention all the districts you'd want to divide the city into, for the purposes of this site? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:14, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

 * Understand where are you coming from. We were thinking of putting about 7 listings under Diamond Triangle. As mentioned earlier, we wanted to put these 3 districts (Old City Centre, Botanical Garden & North of City Centre) as one district namely Diamond Triangle as these districts lie so many history in it and it used to be the old" CBD of Kuala Lumpur. We have had Golden Triangle now and I am thinking if we could frame these districts as one district namely 'Diamond Triangle'. Kianchin (talk) 08:37, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

 * Each of those districts has a substantial article: Kuala Lumpur/Central, Kuala Lumpur/Botanical Garden, Kuala Lumpur/North of City Centre. I think that combining them into a single district would ill-serve travellers and create an overly long article. I will have to oppose your proposal. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:43, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

 * Totally understand, I am thinking if we could combine them as one (Diamond Triangle) without adjusting any of it's articles. Instead, we combine the articles into one. Do you think that this could work better? Kianchin (talk) 08:55, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

 * That's what I just opposed, unless I missed something. You're proposing to combine the three articles into one. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:01, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

 * We could write a summary about Diamond Triangle at the same time it still directs travelers to its substantial article, what say you? Kianchin (talk) 09:07, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

 * You could mention someplace like after the listing for Southern suburbs and before the paragraph that starts "Beyond the Kuala Lumpur city proper" that the combination of the neighbourhoods we're talking about is called Diamond Triangle nowadays. Or are you suggesting doing an extraregion article about it? You could do that if you think it would be useful, but if you do, look at some of the articles in Category:Extra regions first. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:10, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

 * I am thinking if we could do both as what we are writing would actually benefit many travelers/readers. We would cover so much travel guide under this Diamond Triangle (A combination of Old City Centre, Botanical Garden & North of City Centre) without changing the hierarchy of the article. We would mention someplace right at the intersection of Southern subrubs and before the paragraph that starts "Beyond the Kuala Lumpur city proper" as mentioned by you earlier and will be creating an extraregion article later on. Please help us review the article we are putting on soon and most importantly we will obey the guideline one hundred percents. Kianchin (talk) 01:47, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

 * I have submitted the article. Please have a look and let us know your thoughts. Thanks Kianchin (talk) 04:09, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

 * I'll see how it develops, but I can't speak for what others might do. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:49, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

[undent] However, this is way too long. Summarize, please! "The combination of X, Y and Z neighborhoods is also known as the Diamond Trangle." Period. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:52, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

 * Yessire. Kianchin (talk) 07:03, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

 * Hiii Mr Ikan. Appreciate if you could share me some tips on how to develop this kind of map for my article or, if you ever know someone who could help out. I have tried multiple ways but it just couldn't work. Hear from you soon, thanks! Kianchin (talk) 10:25, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

 * I'm not a map expert. What would you like to add to the map, though? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:42, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

 * I see. I am not trying to add anything to this existing map but instead, I would like to have a very own map for Kuala Lumpur/Diamond Triangle though. Appreciate if you know someone that could help out. Thanks again. Kianchin (talk) 01:24, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

 * You could try posting to WV:Requests for maps. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:34, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

 * Thanks for directing Kianchin (talk) 08:40, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

 * Sure. Also, look at How to use dynamic maps. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:46, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Have to be honest here: I don't see the added value of this article for the traveller. Sounds more like a Wikipedia article to me. The banner picture is from a copyright protected source by the way.--Renek78 (talk) 09:54, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

 * If so, it needs to be deleted. Where was it taken from? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:52, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * From a website called Dreamstime. Here is the picture in question: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kuala_Lumpur_-_River_of_Life.jpg. I nominated it for deletion.--Renek78 (talk) 19:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

 * It's marked there as "Editorial Stock Photo". Their page is copyrighted, but I don't know who took the photo or under what terms. However, it should be presumed coyrighted and not usable unless there's clear evidence to the contrary. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:32, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Kuala Lumpur/Brickfields and Bangsar

Restaurant outside of area
I removed this item, as it's not in Brickfields:

 * Diverse menu that specializes in Indian, Malay, and Chinese inspired food. Large selection of special beverages and a "sweets corner" with many Indian  desserts.  The restaurant is located in the Palace Hotel on the ground floor

Perhaps someone knows where it should go instead? --(WT-en) chriswaterguy 13:09, 24 November 2011 (EST)

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Talk:Kuala Lumpur/Old City Centre

Central or Sentral?
In KL, it's spelled "Sentral." Is it worth discussing spelling, in this case? (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 04:52, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

 * We have had enormous discussions about English spellings etc before and it is a very confused subject. I seem to remember that the policy is for the common English usage spelling to prevail. However, that led to loads of further debate about whether the common English name of Sao Paulo is really São Paulo or Sao Paulo (for example). In this case I would say Central is the the common English usage and a redirect page for Kuala Lumpur/Sentral is in order.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:13, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

 * I created the redirect page. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 05:57, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Now we have the sights in Lake Gardens (Butterfly park, Bird Park, ...) in "Brickfields" and here. Guess it has to be removed from here? --Renek78 (talk) 22:57, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

 * Listings shouldn't be in two different destination articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:34, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Kuala Lumpur/North

=National Zoo=

I think it's not right to mention the Zoo here. The address of the zoo is: Hulu Kelang, 68000 Ampang, Selangor Darul Ehsan. The zoo should be moved to the Ampang subpage. -- (WT-en) DerFussi 14:41, 21 February 2008 (EST)

Maybe it should be mentioned in both places, as visitors won't know the zoo is in north KL, and it is a "national" zoo. (WT-en) Greenmango 21:34, 21 February 2008 (EST)

 * At least in my mental map of KL, Ampang is north KL — if you can get there on PUTRA, it's still "in" Kuala Lumpur . (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:50, 22 February 2008 (EST)

 * Of course but you have an own subpage about Ampang (it's northwest). So it's misplaced in Northern suburbs. You can get there by using the LRT - Kelaya Jana Line (Wangsa Maju Station station). If user want to go to the zoo, they have to search in ALL subpages nevertheless. So it doesn't make sense to mention it in the wrong subpage. OK its a "national zoo". So you should mention it in MAIN article and Ampang. -- (WT-en) DerFussi 01:16, 22 February 2008 (EST)

 * So why don't we merge Ampang and north KL into one article? (WT-en) Jpatokal 14:30, 23 February 2008 (EST)

I agree. I think its pointless having the KL/Ampang page as it doesn't say much, and it concentrates on the small part of Ampang which is in the city. In fact Ampang covers a huge area, almost right out to Ulu Langat. If somebody knows how, I suggest merging Ampang and north KL. (WT-en) Greenmango 20:08, 23 February 2008 (EST)

 * Maybe. By the way. The Lake Gardens could be an own article. There are some places to see. Look at my article of Kuala Lumpur and the districts I Have KL divided to. Here -- (WT-en) DerFussi 05:50, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

=Banner pictures=

Status
What's missing for "usable"? Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:31, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Kuala Perlis

Kuala Perlis

 * Delete. non-article. (Unless someone wants to make it into a proper article) (WT-en) Nrms 04:33, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Keep. It's a real place, and I've outlined it. (WT-en) Jpatokal 14:20, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Keep. (WT-en) Pashley 15:18, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

"Stay healthy" from article
Moved here in case any of this is better phrased than whatever is already at Malaysia and should be moved there:

Average temperatures are hot or hotter; it's the tropics. Be sure to stay hydrated. You will need to drink about 3 litres a day and don't wait till you are thirsty to drink. Room temperature water preferably. De-hydration accounts for a large percentage of dodgy tummy holiday illnesses.

Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:40, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

"Respect"
Is any language other than Malay really relevant?

If you can speak just a few words of the four main local languages, namely Bahasa Malaysia, Chinese (especially Cantonese), Tamil and English, it will ingratiate you a lot with the locals.

Most of the rest seems more relevant to Malaysia, except perhaps a remark about Kuala Perlis as particularly conservative, etc. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:42, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Moved from "Connect"
This isn't relevant to the "Connect" section, and are any of these numbers less than national? If any of them are only state-wide, they should be at Perlis or in a couple of cases, Perlis.

Emergency numbers

 * Ambulance - Police - Fire: ☎ 999

 * Rescue (Civil Defense): 991

 * All the abovementioned numbers: ☎ 112 from mobile phones

 * Telegram service: ☎ 100

 * International and domestic operator assisted service: ☎ 101

 * Directory enquiry service: ☎ 103

 * Multilingual international service: ☎ 198

Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:44, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Kuala Terengganu

"The local bus station has buses to most places in town and in Terengganu : Marang (for Redang)"

Do you mean Merang? I think you do, so I've changed it. If I'm wrong, please change it back.

Michael 7:56 UTC Sep 19, 2005

Marang/ Merang
Marang is about 15 km to the south of Kuala Terengganu. It's a Jetty for tourist to go to Pulau Kapas (Kapas Island). Many bus available to Marang.

Merang is about 40 km to the North of Kuala Terengganu. There is jetty to Pulau Redang (Redang Island). Bus to there is very rare unlike Marang.

Language
I remember you saying at some point that the Terengganu dialect of Malay is quite different from standard Malay. Do you think we should mention something in the article about that. Also, on Wikipedia, it says that the Chinese community in Kuala Terengganu mainly speaks Hainanese. Since you lived in Kuala Terengganu before, can you please confirm if this is the case? The dog2 (talk) 01:56, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

 * The Chinese community in Terengganu is very small, and I don't know which dialect is predominant, though I would think nearly everyone would speak Malay at least serviceably as a second language. Our favorite restaurant in KT's Chinatown back in the 70s happened to be a Hakka restaurant.
 * In terms of the Terengganu dialect, we could mention that it varies significantly in pronunciation and somewhat in vocabulary from standard Malay and is closely related to Kelantanese though not as different from standard Malay pronunciation as Bahasa Kelantan. But the last time I visited Terengganu, in 2004, the only place where we really needed to understand Bahasa Terengganu was a small inland village. So I would say that nowadays, most orang Terengganu speak standard Malay with a standard accent even if they also know dialect. Kelantan has a lot more local pride in and support for its dialect. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:14, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thinking about this more, KT is really not the place to discuss Bahasa Terengganu. People always spoke more standard Malay there, as it's the capital city. The place for that would be in the Terengganu article. I'll elaborate a bit there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Here's my edit, for whatever it's worth. It wouldn't surprise me if Bahasa Terengganu scarcely exists anymore. An update from someone who has more current information would be welcome. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:36, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Page Banner
To the right is a selection of possible page banners.--Renek78 (talk) 08:36, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

 * Thank you. I like the current one best. The 3rd one looks like it could be almost any city in a Muslim country, and the 1st is cut off on the top and bottom in a way I find unpleasant. But the Masjid Kristal is special. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:55, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Kuang Si Falls

I'm not sure that this fits under Project:What's an article?. I dont recall there being anywhere to stay out at the falls-- isn't it usually a day trip from Luang Prabang? I think it would fit well under "Get out" in that guide. (WT-en) Maj 20:10, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

 * VFD'd. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:07, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

Kuang Si Falls
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A single attraction, not a destination. Covered in Luang Prabang. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:07, 8 August 2006 (EDT)
 * delete -- (WT-en) Tim 14:05, 11 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Redirect to Luang Prabang. -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:22, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Kuata

VFD Discussion
Page created as part of a linkspam attack (WT-en) Sertmann 19:36, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Delete. That guy is just spamming the system...(WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 19:44, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Keep. Seems to be a real destination in the Yasawa Islands archipelago, Fiji. Needs an outline etc. (WT-en) Tarr3n 10:26, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Keep Fixed it (WT-en) Sertmann 17:27, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

Outcome: Kept and outlined. (WT-en) Sertmann 11:10, 8 November 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Kuching

This article has many grammatical mistakes. This comment was added by User:219.94.66.53

 * Cool, many do! Please plunge forward and fix them! (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 02:44, 22 January 2007 (EST)

Please... please...
I know there are some passive readers out there. Please check for grammatical errors, spelling errors and suitability of the articles.

I'm not going to correct some of them since that I don't have that good English.

Thank you very much.

Revised Kuching Article
I've been dropping by the Kuching page once every now and then, and today I dropped in and noticed that some changes have been made to the article. I commend the user who made the changes for making an effort, but I would also like to point out my dismay at the fact that (1) the article is too long (2) it contains copyright violations, as pointed out by WikiTravel (3) the Arts, Entertainment and Culture and Education sections have been removed.

I will try to make some changes where possible to make the article more readable, and would appreciate any contributing efforts to do so.

(WT-en) Sjovn

I have replaced the copyrighted material I pasted with my own interpretations. Feel free to check and update.

(WT-en) Anwarul 16:11, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

360 Hotel
Is there something wrong with the 360 Hotel, since an anon user keeps deleting it? The website's alive and accepting reservations... (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:45, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Languages
There's just way too much info on the languages of Kuching. Most of this belongs in the phrasebooks or at least the top-level Sarawak article: (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:52, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Bahasa Bidayuh
Bidayuh people are found mostly in Kuching and Samarahan division. In Kuching, you can found them at most places, especially in the area of Padawan. Bidayuh in Kuching speaks different dialects. Their dialects reflect where their origin is. Bidayuh from one dialect or origin mostly cannot converse in other dialects or origins although they speak the same Bahasa Bidayuh. Main dialects of Bidayuh are Bidayuh Sadong (from Serian district) and Bidayuh Bau (from Bau district).

Bahasa Melanau
Melanau people in Kuching are mostly migrates from central region of Sarawak. They normally cross marriage with Kuchingites Malay forming the generation of Kuchingites Melanau today. Bahasa Melanau is just like Bahasa Bidayuh. Melanau from one dialect or origin mostly cannot converse in other dialects or origins although they speak the same Bahasa Melanau. Main dialects of Melanau are Melanau Mukah (from Mukah district), Melanau Dalat (from Dalat district) and Melanau Bintulu (from Bintulu district).

Other indigenous languages
There are some indigenous languages that you might experience to listen to when you are in Kuching. For example Sebako and various Orang Ulu languages and dialects like Kenyah, Kayan and Kelabit. Speaking in these native languages is not necessary since that most of them can speak fluent Malay or other languages. However, if you are able to speak in their languages, it will be much better for your advantage in trading with these folks.

Suspect typo
from Correct typos in one click pedas->pedals? (omit) context: So don't expect to eat bubur pedas pedas at anytime you want

Suspect typo
from Correct typos in one click pedas->pedals? (omit) context: other porridge that we know, bubur pedas pedas is cooked with a specially

Suspect typo
from Correct typos in one click pedas->pedals? (omit) context: bubur lambuk of Kuala Lumpur. Bubur pedas pedas is exclusive dish prepared during

Suspect typo
from Correct typos in one click paprik->paprika? (omit) context: favourites such as tom yam, nasi paprik paprik and pattaya. Bakso and soto

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Talk:Kudowa-Zdròj

VFD Discussion

 * Delete and redirect. There are two pages which appear to be for the same town: Kudowa-Zdrój and Kudowa-Zdròj. Wikiperdia indicates that Kudowa-Zdrój is correct. --(WT-en) Bill in STL 04:46, 26 September 2010 (EDT)

 * I presume you meant merge and redirect, since that seems to be exactly the case. – (WT-en) Vidimian 04:50, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
 * Thanks. --(WT-en) Bill in STL 05:19, 26 September 2010 (EDT)

Result: Merge tag added. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:22, 23 October 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Kulithalai

kulithalai is in the southern bank of cauvery.. please cheak the introduction part!!

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Talk:Kullu (district)

In the article section, I have doubt in the correctness of the statement

"Places visit are as following : VAISHNO DEVI TEMPLE : Vaishno Devi Temple is located just 5 kim form Kullu on the Kullu-Manali Road N.H. No.1."

How can the temple be just 5 km from kullu?

If I am not wrong, 5 kim (as the author had written), means 5 km.

 * Please go ahead and correct the information, if you know it is wrong, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 00:34, 18 June 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Kumamoto

Great idea for a class project. I think you will get it formatted right eventually. Good luck.

Individual attractions
Folks, while I'm glad to see your English class is using Wikivoyage as a teaching tool, I would appreciate it if you took a look at Project:What is an article?. In general, individuals attractions (like the temples and museums listed below) are not articles, they should be listed under the nearest town of interest. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:16, 28 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * Honmyo-ji (Elaine/Masumi)
 * Kumamoto Traditional Crafts Museum (Jen/Motoki)
 * Suizen-ji Koen (Chris/Miyuki)
 * Hosokawa Gyobu-tei (Frank/Miki)
 * Reigan-do (Angelo/Tomoko)

editing issues
Hi. I'm the English teacher who is working with students to add information to the wikivoyage article on Kumamoto. I have a mixed class of students (primarily Japanese with Chinese, Westerners) and we are working on not just filling out the wikivoyage article, but also getting a handle on which information to present. This is a bit difficult because the students have very little web authoring experience, and no cooperative editing/writing experience, especially across cultures. I've asked the students (in pairs, a foreigner and a Japanese person) to physically go to these sites and try and get down as much information as possible, and then discuss if the information is appropriate. If I give the students a simple template to fill out, the exercise will become a fill in the blank one rather than an attempt to understand online communication.

With that in mind, I would appreciate a little more time before people delete pages. I understand that there are some guidelines to these articles, but the process of collecting information takes time and the students only have 1 90 minute class per week and we are about half way through the term. I will work to get the article up to standard, but I want the students to be able to make mistakes and discuss them rather than dictate what is correct and what is not. If this is a problem, I hope that we can discuss it.

PS I'd also ask that people avoid phrases like 'eikaiwa terror squad' when discussing edits and such, as it serves to demotivate the students. Thanks.

 * Thanks for getting in touch, although speaking as one of the guys who has had to spend time cleaning up after you, I would have appreciated if it you had contacted us before you embarked on this experiment.

 * So. Wikivoyage is a travel guide, not an eikaiwa teaching tool, and I'm afraid we can't start changing our format just to suit your needs — for example, the Project:What is an article? concept is really quite fundamental to our operation.  What I can suggest is that you use either the Project:Sandbox or, better yet, create a user account and then use the Talk page to create drafts of your articles.  These are 'outside' the guide and thus yours to use freely.  When the content is reasonably polished up, then you can move them into the main guide, and everybody will be happy.  Does this sound OK to you? (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:16, 12 Nov 2005 (EST)

Thank you, that would be workable. A couple of points
 * This is the first time I have used Wikivoyage. A colleague recommended it, so I guess that you cleaned up after him.

 * I do want to emphasize that I am not asking that the format be changed, just that a bit more time be given to second language speakers (operating under guidance) in working with the articles.

My apologies for not contacting you in advance, but the opening page says 'you can edit any page right now and it is a bit difficult to know who to contact.

If possible, I'd like to implement your suggestion and edit this page with a note at the top discussing what is being done so as to not confuse the students with this discussion. I leave this note for any other editors who might want to weigh in, and I will contact you offline. Thanks.

 * Sounds good. Let's get the show on the road, and a belated welcome to Wikivoyage to you and your students! (WT-en) Jpatokal 20:43, 13 Nov 2005 (EST)

Visitor to Kumamoto
Hello there, I'm currently living in the Kumamoto area and I've already added some of my newfound knowledge of the city.

The bits I added: Shimotori Kamitori Ginza Additional info on Aso, Kumamoto Castle and arrival by plane

Hope I didn't screw it up too badly.

 * Great work, we want more! Note that Mount Aso already has its own article.    Why not register an account? (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:45, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

Directions to Yokobachi added
I got lost so you don't have to! Hopefully more people will be able to find this wonderful restaurant now. I also deleted the info that it's close to Ni no Ni and on the same street, and added into the directions 'Across from Ni no Ni'. Since there are directions, maybe the info about Ni no Ni can be cut out altogether, but I'm not comfortable deleting other people's writing so I'll leave that for someone else to decide.

Romanization of names
While St. is an accurate translation of 通り, wouldn't it be more effective to just leave it in romaji (Tori/Toori) to make asking directions easier? That's unless of course there's actual english signs somewhere that read St... I was going by the Japanese and didn't notice

Tidying
May I please extend a big thankyou to all the locals who posted info on here. For an eikaiwa experiment, it may have ended up rough around the edges but the variety and depth of useful information is by far the best I have encountered for any location on Kyushu and as a traveller, has proven truly invaluable.

To do my bit, Ive gone through and tidyed this up a tiny bit (moved a few stray bits to their correct categories and cleaned one or two duplicated headers, I hope thats OK!) as well as adding some additional arrival and accomodation info I dug up by asking around. Thus, I feel, this article is a pretty complete guide without any glaring holes based on the wikivoyage guidelines.

With regards to tori/dori/street, typically what Ive seen on other articles is Tori/Dori with the kanji bracketed. In some Japanese towns, katakanarised "street" is used in addition so Tori/Dori is probably least confusing. -Snave

Although this more subtle meaning was probably unintended, I must say I laughed out loud at the otherwise perfectly sly use of the term "tolerant towards" in the Toyoko Inn entry, given the company reputation.

Kumamoto oysters
Are these in fact a specialty of Kumamoto? If so, are there recommended places to order them that should be listed in the "Eat" section? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:02, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Kumamoto (prefecture)

Comments
It would be really cool to add the Japanese names, so travellers can recognise them. eg. Kikuchi (菊池)

 * Project:Plunge forward! (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:05, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

Has anyone thought of combining regions and cities, as they largely duplicate each other.

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Talk:Kumano

=Which prefecture= ChubbyWimbus, nothing south of Yoshino is in Mie prefecture... Wakayama at best, but not Mie. Perhaps there's another Kumano you're talking about? At least the place that I started this page about is in Nara. (WT-en) Azolotkov 01:38, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

 * You sure about that? Even the Kumano City website says they're in Mie.  It's in that long, narrow strip of land at the far southwest of the prefecture, between Nara and the ocean, east of Wakayama:   - (WT-en) Dguillaime 01:48, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
 * ...though as I double-check the map, I see that the "10-15 km south of Yoshino" is an apparent error, since it's quite a bit farther than that and to the southeast, not south. There doesn't seem to be much of anything in the position given, so I've removed that line.  - (WT-en) Dguillaime 01:55, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Yes, the city is definitely in Mie prefecture. Mie extends westward along the coast, meeting Wakayama below Nara prefecture. If you are referring to Kumano Sanzan, the pilgrimage route (and World Heritage Site), those shrines are nearby in Wakayama. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 01:53, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

 * I stand corrected, Kumano City indeed is in Mie Prefecture. The camping trip that I went on was mislabeled as Kumano, and I started this article based on that mislabeling. The actual trip was to Tenkawa-mura and the surrounding area, which is closer to Yoshino than to Kumano. I'm guessing the article should be either renamed to Tenkawa-mura, or blown away. (WT-en) Azolotkov 21:38, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Ah, that makes sense. Since Kumano is still an actual city, the page might as well remain however, you should definitely move the current content to a Tenkawa page (the "mura" can be left out, since it just means "village/town"). As you say, Tenkawa is in Nara Prefecture. Once that page is created, you can then add what you know from your travels! (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 22:01, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Done. Can you give it a quick check to see if I did everything right? (WT-en) Azolotkov 22:06, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

 * I added a couple of missing sections, but the page looks good to me! I'll add a link to it from Nara Prefecture. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 22:26, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Kumarakom

Hi Roundtheworld,

I used the St. Mary House boats description as a template. I assumed this was an acceptable post since it was still on the page and had not been deleted. If this is not the case, can you point out an "acceptable" post that I can refer to? (WT-en) Tara12 tmq 09:57, 22 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Kume

Does this even exist anymore? There's a useless en-Wikipedia article, but I can't find this place in ja-wp, which means that either it never existed or that it's been merged. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:51, 11 February 2007 (EST)

 * Nemmind, was thinking Okinawa, not Okayama... (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:53, 11 February 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Kunduz

Spelling?
Google seems to show Kunduz as the far more common spelling, but the Afghanistan map shows it as Konduz... what to do? (WT-en) Cacahuate 06:22, 8 December 2006 (EST)

 * Roll a dice. Like many Afghan places, there is no consistent English spelling of the name. The K can be Q, either o/u can be o/u and there might be 'e' on the end. Any combination of these is possible! (WT-en) Davidbstanley 10:46, 8 December 2006 (EST)

 * Right, but I'm thinking of the Article naming conventions which states to use the most common English spelling, and I believe that is 'Kunduz'... but then it conflicts with the map on the main Afghanistan page, which is where my question comes in... but I'm voting to move to Kunduz (WT-en) Cacahuate 02:03, 9 December 2006 (EST)
 * I had a look on a few maps. Encarta and Google Earth spell it as Kondoz, and an aviation map as Qonduz. The Afghan Central Statistics Office spells it as Kunduz. I have always used Konduz. There really is no consitency about the spelling. If you want to change it, do. But I think it will make no difference! (WT-en) Davidbstanley 14:34, 9 December 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Kunming

Bus routes?
Some locations with length of travel and prices could be useful...

Photo sizes?
Currently, photos are tagged with half a dozen different explicit widths, from 170px to 350px. I would just remove all the width tags, and definitely not replace them with relative width tags. What do others think? Pashley (talk) 14:20, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

 * I agree. Done. --Danapit (talk) 08:45, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Page banner
This might be a nice banner, but I believe it is not directly in the city... Danapit (talk) 08:39, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

 * The picture of the ornament on Yuantong Temple might be nice, but I don't know if the sign doesn't mean anything funny and also the right side is out of focus. --Danapit (talk) 12:51, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

 * What about the third one? It's a bit overstuffed, isn't it? --Danapit (talk) 13:13, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Yes, but I like it. Much of China is "a bit overstuffed" & it gives that feeling. Pashley (talk) 13:22, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Very good, we have a banner then! --Danapit (talk) 14:19, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Ah, and I even found a use for the #1 banner. Wouldn't Shilin Stone forest be something to "Do" rather than "See" if it requres to take an excursion from the town? And also because it has a separate article, maybe the listing can be shortened and information moved to the relevant article? --Danapit (talk) 15:00, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Karst Topography
What does the header Karst Topography belong to? The following paragraph? It is slightly puzzling. --Danapit (talk) 07:29, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

wikitravel description on Dianchi lake is unrealistic
Our previous description on Dianchi is concatenated down from wikitravel on "Revision as of 17:14, 1 August 2009". The original description sounds like a high school English essay. This is problematic in that Dianchi is actually an ecological diaster. Its water is one of the worst out of any lake in China. To future editors, please do not import descriptions on Dianchi from Wikitravel. - Tigerleapgorge (talk) 20:09, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Changes at Camellia Hotel?
The Camellia website has:
 * "Since our original occupied land has been designated for future development for "Shangrila Hotel" project. In accordance with governments request, Kunming Camellia Hotel has been moved to the new address(33th Huan Cheng Road) from the middle of July, 2012.

Our article still has the old address and a description of the facilities at the old location. Can someone update it? When I was there (2008?), rooms in the old building were considerably cheaper, a fine budget choice; is it now more expensive? Should the listing move to Mid-range or even Splurge? Does it still have a Laotian Airlines office? ...?

Is the Shangrila Hotel now open? If so, we should list it under Splurge. Pashley (talk) 16:30, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

 * Shangri-la site says Kunming hotel opens 2016. Pashley (talk) 16:33, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Kununurra

Guide Status?
Ok, I'm going to call it a day on this one. I've taken it about as far as I can and now want to put my energies elsewhere. I'm happy with it as is, but is it up to article guide status?. I checked with the (sketchy) criteria and compared some other guide status articles and I think Kununurra is equal to many. Given that I have pretty much written this one myself, I'm hesitant to be so bold as to call it a guide. Does anyone concur? If not, what needs to be fixed? - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 02:43, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Great work! Since you know the city, I assume there are no major ommissions, which makes this is a clear-cut guide, I'd say! I see User:(WT-en) Burmesedays has already given it guide status. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 03:06, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Yes! I made that call before reading this. A very nice article indeed. Excellent work. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 03:08, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

Maps
I had my first attempt at making some maps and wanted to get some feedback from any experienced mapmakers about them. Not everything is in there yet and some of the colours/pattens are not standard (pattens seem to make my computer grind to a halt), but as far as a map and its elements goes, suggestions/criticisms are appreciated. (WT-en) Cardboardbird 07:29, 21 May 2010 (EDT)

 * Excellent effort! Strange that the patterns are effecting your set up like that. Are you using a Wikivoyage template? Looks like you are. I ask that as if not, patterns are clumsy and you need to manually set the pattern as an object before using it. A few minor comments:

 * Font size for the street names is too small. If you still have legibility problems after increasing the size, try using Dejavu Condensed Bold - it can help.
 * If patterns remain an issue, I would suggest using the park green and water aqua from the patterns as a solid colour. Then it will look like a standard Wikivoyage map (just without patterns).
 * Please credit the source of the map. This is really important. I imagine it is OpenStreetMap? To save retyping the scoop on map markup, please see the message to another map maker here.

 * Really good stuff and it is great to have another map maker here. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:20, 21 May 2010 (EDT)

 * Thanks for your feedback. I've made revisions and put up new versions. I've upped the font size and got the patterns in. It was difficult to fit all the Eat/Sleep icons into the town and had to make an inset. I wonder how useful the Wider Kununurra map is other than showing Lake Argyle and the border, is it worth keeping? If there are no problems, standards wise, I'll put them on the page. Once I get the hang of mapmaking with these I'd like to work on some Perth maps. - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 04:50, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

 * That's a super first time effort, it really is. My early maps were downright embarrassing. This is anything but that. The inset works well - would be nice to have a scale on it if you could. My only other comment is that the river would look neater if you applied a stroke. That might just be my view though, so ignore if you wish! Great effort and well done. I hope you found the Project:How to draw a map guide helpful :). --(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:33, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

Distance & time
The "by car, from Broome" section has "taking 4-5 days to cover the 1044 km if you push it". Is it a difficult road? That is under 300 km a day. Assuming both road and vehicle are good, my idea of "pushing it" would cover that distance in under two days. 8 hours at 80 kph is 640 km a day. (WT-en) Pashley 06:01, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

Later, the bus section says the bus from Broome is 14 hours. So why should driving take 4-5 days? Should we be mentioning some scenic stops? (WT-en) Pashley 06:05, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

 * Good point. I have never driven it myself but that's what I hear from people who have. They would be stopping off regularly I imagine. If a couple days sounds about right, I'll change it. (WT-en) Cardboardbird 08:03, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

Star nomination discussion Kununurra
I'm nominating this one now as it is soon to be a OTBP feature and it would be mighty nice for it to be a star when its up there. I don't think it is too far off star-hood but no doubt others we spot the wrinkles I missed. (WT-en) Cardboardbird 00:12, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

 * Close Full support (WT-en) jan 09:11, 24 September 2010 (EDT)I have seen the article in the past several times and really liked it's improvement. Here are my points: The Get in by plane section is not fully listingfied as in Nusa Lembongan. The distances are already discussed on the talk page and it should be clarified how long it takes. Last point is that the map. When i look at the Kimberly map the border to NT looks pretty close. Is Kununurra a interstate border town? Then in the get in section not only the distance to Katherine should be named but also how far the border for Quarantine is. All in all very good manageable for star before the otbp premiere starts. Excellent job! (WT-en) jan 15:40, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
 * I have made the changes to address the points. Flights listingified and updated. A few changes to distances etc. Just need to drum up some more support to push it over the starhood line. (WT-en) Cardboardbird 04:01, 26 September 2010 (EDT)

 * Support Looks pretty good to me. Possibly a map to show where it is in context of the rest of Australia would be useful, though a click on the Kimberley link gets that anyway. It is just that as an OTBP, people will tend to wonder where it is, as they are unlikely to have heard of it, and most non-Australians, even if they have heard of the Kimberleys, probably dont know exactly where they are. (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 04:01, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

 *  Almost  Support. It looks pretty good, however, the map misses some of the listings, eg all of the Buy and Drink listings.  And why are some of the roads with dotted lines?, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 06:14, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
 * Drink and Buy added to the map and uploaded. The dotted lines are unsealed roads. (WT-en) Cardboardbird 05:49, 28 September 2010 (EDT)

 *  Almost  This is a very good article i think, but there are a few things that should be fixed if possible
 * There is some mishap with the email address for Kununurra Visitor Centre, the phone number is repeated twice as an email address.
 * IANANS but isn't "there isn't a local bus" bad english? it's repeated a few times in the guide
 * Rumours Patisserie and The Argyle Room, Liquorland, Thirsty Camel Bottle-O, the Aussie Bar and KG Sports Bar lacks opening hours
 * Should be easy to fix up, and then I'd happily throw my support. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 07:16, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
 * These points have been addressed now. (WT-en) Cardboardbird 09:39, 27 September 2010 (EDT)

 * Support then, good work, I know first hand how tedious it can get to push guides that final stretch --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 10:22, 27 September 2010 (EDT)

 *  Almost  Support. Here are some more minor remarks:
 * Ord River or Ord river
 * days of the week in the listings in the get in section should either be abbreviated to the minimum number of letters (standard), or spelled out in full (if the abbreviation looks odd)
 * it looks odd to bold 'local bus service' in the get around section when there actually is not any
 * consider to make an intro to the do section
 * consider to inform about prices for some more of the restaurants
 * in Gulliver's Tavern, should it be W-Sa or W-Su?

--(WT-en) ClausHansen 09:42, 26 September 2010 (EDT)

 * These points have been fixed now. Ord River is capitalised. Local bus rewritten. Prices added. Days corrected. Intro to the Do section will get revised later when I think of something better to write. (WT-en) Cardboardbird 10:19, 27 September 2010 (EDT)

 * Support An entirely unscientific reaction: this article really made me want to go there. (WT-en) Rezendi 19:56, 28 September 2010 (EDT)

 * Support, absolutely—beautiful article! The time has already passed for comments, so please feel free to promote the article to star status. A couple things I did catch, though:
 * 1) Kimberley Fine Diamonds needs hours—best to call or shoot them an email to find out;
 * 2) Personally, I would omit most email addresses (how often does one need to email a restaurant?) to save space. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:04, 1 October 2010 (EDT)
 * Thanks all for your help and support in getting this over the line. Very much appreciated. (WT-en) Cardboardbird 06:43, 10 October 2010 (EDT)

Updating page
User:SHB2000, it is unreasonable to insist that this page can only be edited by keeping it exactly the same. It needs extensive work to bring it to a good standard and I have plunged forward to do so. No contributor should be asked to seek permission cap in hand to improve this or any other page.

The content was mostly created in 2010 and since then mankind has invented fire, the wheel, dynamic maps and many other conveniences. Much was out of date, and the static map is no longer relevant.

Content was disjointed, thus seeing the national park and walking in it were presented as if completely separate entities. Similarly the K Hotel, the K Hotel restaurant, the K Hotel Bar and K Hotel bottle shop were disconnected overlaps; I was surprised not to find separate listings for the dunny and for the spittoon.

No mention of relevant background such as the Aboriginal history and the story of diamond mining. The Get-in info was scrappy, while Get-around diverges onto other topics. The infobox merited separating into agri rules in main text, and an expanded cane toad background story.

Soft info like a police blind-eye to street drinking and off-the-books labour can only stand if there is evidence they persist. Otherwise they’re just personal reminiscences not guidance to future travellers.

The page lacked good images. The first pic is not bad, but we have better.

Style is a personal taste but IMO on a travel page it should be snappy like good journalism, with no wasted words. Engage the readers and keep ‘em hooked. Clear statements are also easier to verify, thus update.

When this page was developed, it may have been a “star” among the poor other pages for WA, but those pages have come on leaps and bounds, and Kununurra is now lagging behind the field. I do not propose de-starring but it is unhealthy if star status is taken to mean “hands-off”, and it becomes a museum piece like a fly trapped in amber. Grahamsands (talk) 11:13, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

 * I don't call the shots here, but if you want to do so, you need to propose change to policy as this affects more than just this page. -- SHB2000  (t | c | m) 12:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

 * I am not changing policy, I am invoking it: Star pages should be fixed or improved as need be. But you twice rolled me back, not because they were bad edits, but because I fixed and improved without prior blessing. I recall when I updated another star page, you protested that such a page should not be overhauled, though in that example the edits stood. It now needs to be clarified whether others hold that view, which is nowhere stated in policy.

 * It is well understood that some edits should be proposed in advance: obvious examples are changing the banner pic, radically changing the scope of a page, and redirecting / deletion. This convention applies to all pages regardless of their status, and there is nothing special applicable to stars.

 * Those aside, the principle of “plunge forward” is to edit first, challenge / rectify later. This is all part of the routine editing process applicable to all pages, and again there is no difference for stars. If a challenge arises, both sides should then set out their reasoning. IMO it is not a valid reason to say the former content must be preserved because the page is a star, as if it was unalloyed perfection that cannot be improved. Grahamsands (talk) 12:22, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I did not rollback your edits. Please don't falsely accuse me of something I didn't do. -- SHB2000  (t | c | m) 12:39, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

 * Please refresh your memory from the page history, which documents your two rollbacks. Several of my edits do indeed stand for the time being, but since your sole rationale was against changing a star page, and given your earlier protest, I have to infer that you seek status quo ante on all of them. Grahamsands (talk) 17:31, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

 * No response for a week, so there is no challenge to the principle that star pages enjoy no special protection beyond those of other pages. You are at liberty to propose a change in policy, but I for one would argue against. We should be encouraging edits not raising barriers, and too many “stars” are mediocre pages that need editing a-plenty.

 * I am unsure which edits remain contentious, let’s take them one at a time. The infobox “What not to pack” had two topics. One was about agriculture rules. This is important, travellers could get into real bother thru ignorance of it, so it deserves to be prominent in main text. An infobox is more suited to background and is literally and figuratively to the side of the main content.

 * The cane toad story is such background, and the new infobox expands it – it’s an interesting story that affects all of tropical Australia. That done, the content of “what not to pack” has been covered by other means, and its infobox is therefore redundant. Grahamsands (talk) 15:15, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

 * Okay, no challenge to that, so on we go. I restored my version of the intro to Eat to bring out the point that fresh fruit & veg is boom to bust. In season there's a glut, then it's all gone, and stuff has to be trucked from afar. Grahamsands (talk) 07:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Kurashiki

Tivoli Park closed
It seems likely that they'll do something else with the space, though... (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 06:23, 2 January 2009 (EST)

 * Tivoli Park , near Kurashiki Station, is a theme park intended to recreate Copenhagen, Denmark. There are fifty thousand trees, and about two hundred fifty kind of flowers. In the summer, there are fireworks every night. It's open 10am - 8pm (M-Th) and 10am - 9pm (F-Su), and an extra hour in the summer. The park is closed from latter half of January to February. Basic admission is ¥2000 for adults, ¥1700 for teenagers, ¥1000 for children and seniors and free for children under 6, with half-price tickets available after 5pm. Tivoli Park will be closing for good at the end of 2008.

Muscat Stadium

 *  The biggest baseball stadium in Okayama, established in 1965. It has many facilities, for example, a stadium, tennis courts, a park, and training gym. The stadium has no home team, but is used on occasion for matches and the Hanshin Tigers used it as their training camp in spring 2005.

Is this open for public use? If it doesn't have a home team and a traveler can't go there and do something on any given day, I'm not sure it belongs in the article. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 18:13, 10 May 2009 (EDT)
 * I had moved this here from the Okayama page a while ago without looking into it further. I'm going to re-add it but change the name. The stadium is not open for public use however, the surrounding area is known as "Kurashiki Sports Park", and that's where the tennis courts, fitness center, scotch(?) court, and free outdoor area are located; all open to the public (for fees). (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 09:44, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

Seto Ohashi Bridge Memorial Museum
The museum no longer exists as such. The building that was constructed like a bridge is still there and some of the old exhibits still remain, but it's been converted into a Community Center.

Seems closed
There appears to be a shop here now and no signs of hotel or booking options: ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:15, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:53, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Kurdish phrasebook

Synonyms
I think the long lists of different ways of saying something are problematic: it is not easy for a reader to memorize them all or find the most suitable for a certain situation. Rather, we should find a phrase or a few that are as general as possible: understood in most the Kurmanji area, not too cumbersome, and not likely to cause offence. One formal and one informal, or one for western and one for eastern dialects should be enough except for rare exceptions – unless there really is not one or two that fit the bill. –LPfi (talk) 17:23, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Recent edits
Thanks for showing this phrasebook some attention in recent days. It's always great to see someone obviously highly knowledgeable about a language tackling its phrasebook.

I do question the merit of adding multiple variations of different phrases, however, especially forms you've marked as archaic. Remember this is a phrasebook likely to be used by visitors who speak very little Kurdish, who just need to find a sentence or word quickly and make themselves understood. They don't need to know every possible way of conveying a certain idea, they just need to know the best way to communicate. Is there a way of cutting down on all the variations without sacrificing a traveller's ability to be understood anywhere in Kurdistan? ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:44, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

 * The lines marked "archaic" should all be deleted, because this is supposed to help people speak modern Kurdish, not read ancient Kurdish or something. However, if the western and eastern dialects are sufficiently different, it might be advisable to split this into two phrasebooks, except if there's a form of the language that pretty much all Kurds understand. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:52, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

 * Indeed. If there are lots of differences, and the two dialects aren't mutually intelligible, then it would be better to split them. But I hope user:YLQOS is able to enlighten us on whether this is the case. But I do think that mutual intelligibility is an important benchmark for whether to split or whether just to pick a dialect - or "standardised version" - and run with it on one phrasebook.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:42, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

 * In a similar vein, all the interlocking brackets are confusing: what am I supposed to read from "((Ez) baş im,) (hûn) sax bin."? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:11, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I really think that having multiple options for each phrase is confusing, especially when some of them have options within options (as in the sentence above). This is a phrasebook; people should be able to use it to quickly find a word or set phrase they can use in conversation during travel. If it's not possible to whittle down these phrases without losing something vital, then perhaps the phrasebook needs to be split into two (or more), for different dialects, as in Portuguese and Brazilian Portuguese. Thanks for addressing some of these comments in edits and edit summaries, but it would be great if you could also join in the conversation here, on this talk page.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:30, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Word for sorry
Another word for "I'm sorry" is "Bibore"

Actually there is lot of expression can be used depends on formal and way of phrase composing itself, for example:

- bor ([|intransitive verb]) borîn ([|transitive verb]), and other forms like (lê-bor, lê-borîn, ra-bor, ra-borîn), this verb can used more closely (to excuse) and lessly (to sorry), it's more asking for forgiveness.

- ber-kev (infinitive form), which latterly means (ber: for, pro-) and (kev: to fall), can be used in some phrase like (ez ber te dikevim = I'm sorry for you), while translation is (I'm falling for you), (ber xwe dikeve = falls sorry to himself, has a shame).

- sûc (infinitive for), which latterly means (sûc: fault, wrong), can be used in some conversation like (sûçê min e, lêborîn ! = it's my wrong, sorry !), where usually with other suffix as (-deh: to done, to give) and together (sûc-dar: wronger, faulter), or with (-bar: to bear, to hold, to carry) and can be used as (sûçbar im = I bear fault). Those expressions with (sûc: fault, wrong) are to sign previously the wrong side even before go to ask for sorry.

- bexşîn (transitive verb) it's more close (to excuse), verb synonym to (borîn, lê-borîn).

- mixa (be/bin), tixa (be/bin), tiya (be/bin) ... It's the word (sorry) in exclamation way, for example: (mexa be ! te çi got ? = sorry ! what you said ?)

- and some others expression can carry meaning of (sorry) too, as (dil pê şewtî = heart burned after), (ceger/kezeb pê helî = liver dissolved after)

so it's more various and different and depends in which region, accent, and even phrases and expressions to certain and avoid others. And the more standard word here, are (borîn) and (lê-borîn) and can be understandable by most of people and pass par-tout even in wrong pharse !

Rênas Îbranûm Dêyako (talk) 02:28, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Hi, Rênas Îbranûm Dêyako. It's customary on all Wikis, to my knowledge, to start new threads at the bottom of the page. If you have something to add to or change in the phrasebook, please do so. Posting information here is not going to help many people. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:35, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

 * But see also above: we should try to find words that the traveller him-/herself can use without it being misunderstood. Just one, two or three words for different contexts or regions, clearly explained when each can be used. If we can find one word that fits everywhere, that would be ideal. If there is another word that is common and understanding it would be crucial, we can add that, but the phrasebook is not for allowing travellers to convey nuances. In English, you could have sorry, excuse me and pardon, but sorry more or less works everywhere where saying something like that is important, so learning sorry would be enough and that would be what to put in the phrasebook. In some languages you cannot get by with just one word, and then we have to list more than that, but it is not ideal. The explanation here is interesting, but the phrasebook needs to be simple. –LPfi (talk) 09:08, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Kurdistan

Map?
Google erases Kurdistan from maps in compliance with Turkish gov. Pashley (talk) 16:12, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Edits
I agree with most of these edits, but the one I wonder about is about the relationship between Kurds and Armenians. Is there much substance to that? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:07, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know about the modern-day relationship between Kurds and Armenia. But many Kurds participated in the Armenian Genocide, and a lot of modern-day Kurdistan is in historically Armenian lands, which were given to the Kurds by the Ottoman Empire after the Armenian Genocide. The dog2 (talk) 18:47, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Right, the issue would be how people feel today. If we don't know, it was probably good to delete those remarks. Kurdish participation in the genocide is topical in the Armenian Genocide remembrance article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:36, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Best known for alliances with the US?
I am confused by this addition by The dog2:
 * In modern times, the Kurds are mostly known in the West for their longstanding alliance with the United States, having assisted the Americans in their various wars in the Middle East.

In Iraq against Saddam Hussein (where they weren't an ally, just part of the uprising) and later against Daesh, but otherwise? I (a Westerner) learnt about them in connection with the conflict in Turkey, which I think has remained important and well-known. Against Daesh, they were not known to me as allies to the US, but as fighting the Daesh. Are there other conflicts where they have been allies with the US ("various" should be more than Iraq and Syria)? I also think they are well-known as one of the three groups between which power is distributed in Iraq (and for Iraqi Kurdistan being relatively secure and well-administered), and for the very democratic rule in Rojava. (Also: what is "modern times"? since Columbus?)

–LPfi (talk) 19:16, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I was thinking more about Iraq and Syria. The U.S. hasn't gone to war with Iran or Turkey, so the Kurds there never had the opportunity to assist the U.S. in a war against the governments. But the Kurds fought alongside the Americans in both Iraq wars, and also in the war against Assad in Syria. The dog2 (talk) 19:49, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

 * The question is whether these alliances are what the Kurds are best known for, as that's what is claimed. In the First Gulf War (1990) US called for an uprising, and the Kurds and Shias thought the time to displace Saddam Hussein was come, but were let down. They weren't formal allies with the USA in any sense. I don't know about them having taken part in the 2003 invasion. Anyway, I don't think the alliances are what the Kurds are known for, except perhaps in the USA. –LPfi (talk) 20:25, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

 * OK, I've adjusted the sentence. The dog2 (talk) 21:40, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

 * It still says they're known for their "longstanding alliance with the United States." That's misleading. Kurds have been happy to get help from wherever it was offered, but they have continued to be used and betrayed by the U.S. and Israel, most recently by Trump in Syria, and LPfi pointed out that the PKK is fighting against a NATO member and is considered a terrorist organization by the U.S., among other governments. How about if we delete that sentence? This is a travel guide, not a place for glancing blows in political arguments. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:14, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

 * OK then. I know the Kurds have tensions with Turkey, but I didn't realise that the U.S. called a Kurdish group a terrorist organisation. I'll delete the sentence then. The dog2 (talk) 22:26, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I strongly support removing that sentence. Let's not get carried away by Western propaganda, please. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:01, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Kardzhali

Original copy
''The following text was removed from an ambigious page. It appears to be referring to this article, but I am not positive. If someone knows better, please move place it in the appropriate location. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 09:51, 15 Nov 2005 (EST)''

kadjai is in the deep rural south of bg, unemployment runs fairley high,it is fairley geographically isolated,theese factors coupled with the communist pullout make kadjali EXTREEMLEY CHEAP..weather wise the climate is semi mediteranean,not surprising as it boarders 35miles to greece 35 miles turkey it is farliy mountainous ,the hills covered with oak and pine ...air is of good quality,water is pure all food is organic as no pesticides ars used [they cant afford them]..a few brit pioneers ,like myself are buying houses there..it will be a godsend when plodive airport runs 365..24/7..bulgaria is in nato and joins eu inless than 2 years..prices will rise..but at the moment,it must be the cheapest place to buy and renovate as a bricklayer who works 12 hour days for 6 days a week will earn a monthley wage of 140 pounds ...ther are no religious tensions from the muslems...of turkisk origin..food and wine is superbe, fresh, and organic.a steak meal with wine in a resturante with a brandy [rakia]is in kadjali ..3.50 pounds..the main bread winner appeares to be tobacco and grapes..there are no polluting industeies..indeed it would be fair to say the area is beutifull but economically depressed..as i understand ,you dont need a licencs in kajali provence.i recomend,,www.bulgarianproperties.com...b.t.udall however in winter its minus 3 with snowfor cheap sking

"Kurdzhali (city)" or "Kurdzhali"
Should this article be moved from Kurdzhali (city) to Kurdzhali - ? ~ 203.144.143.8 00:43, 22 December 2006 (EST)

 * Well, there's a Kurdzhali (province), so there should be a Kurdzhali Project:Disambiguation page... (WT-en) Maj 00:53, 22 December 2006 (EST)

 * I thought it probably should be moved, and that there should not be a disambiguation page. Project:Article naming conventions says:

 * Provinces and prefectures surrounding important cities of the same name are common examples of the "so much more famous" rule. When a city X and its surrounding region share the exact same name, and the city is much better known, the city gets "X" and the province goes in "X (province)". Examples: Buenos Aires and Buenos Aires (province), Hiroshima and Hiroshima (prefecture), Ayutthaya and Ayutthaya (province).

 * This seems to have been applied across the board in many (most?) countries where all or most provinces are named after (ie have the exact same name as) their provincial capitals.

 * There is a Buenos Aires (disambiguation) page, which makes sense because WikiPedia:Buenos Aires (disambiguation) lists 20+ possibilities, but there are (currently) no disambiguation pages for Hiroshima or Ayutthaya. ~ 203.144.143.8 02:32, 22 December 2006 (EST)

 * As there seems to be no other places named Kurdzhali except for this city and province in Bulgaria, I would not set up a disambiguation page, but instead follow the Hiroshima and Ayutthaya models. (WT-en) WindHorse 02:40, 22 December 2006 (EST)

 * One other consideration - Wikipedia uses an alternative spelling: WikiPedia:Kardzhali ~ 203.144.143.8 04:43, 22 December 2006 (EST)
 * A brief look at google sites places Kardzhali the most popular name by almost a margin of two to one. So, based on that I would adopt Kardzhali (with the a) as the title for the main article, while adding a redirect from Kurdzhali (with the 'u'). The name of the province should likewise be changed. (WT-en) WindHorse 06:02, 22 December 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Kuta

Mates,

I think the article is now in shape for guide status. Any objections?(WT-en) jan 08:37, 24 November 2008 (EST)

 * I'd call it usable. Listings should have addresses--if there are no addresses to give, then they should have directions. And sections like contact should have, instead of a phrase like "Several internet cafes, wartels and phone shops allow communication with the rest of the world," actual listings for internet cafes. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:37, 24 November 2008 (EST)
 * I then just change it to usable (WT-en) jan 16:51, 25 November 2008 (EST)

 * The sleep listings are a key weakness in this article. Have re-formatted the existing listings and added more. Several more coming - all places I know.  After that and a bit more tidying up, I think it will be worthy of guide status.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:00, 4 November 2009 (EST)

 * Done. The listings are now in better shape and there is much wider coverage. Upped status to guide. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:04, 5 November 2009 (EST)

double listing of hotel
I have seen that the Harris Hotel Tuban - Bali is now on the list beside the Kuta hotel of this chain as well. I would like to delete it because we seldom have two hotels of one chain in onw town and it's actually in Tuban(WT-en) jan 11:28, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Go Ahead Jan I would say. Either could be deleted. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:41, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Kutná Hora

Please note I've made some amendments and will add some more and iinclude pictures. Any amendments, please discusse here so that we can keep track of things.

Thanks (WT-en) cmart02

 * Welcome to Wikivoyage. Edits can be tracked easily with the History tab, so no need to record everything here... (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:26, 30 May 2006 (EDT)

 * J, thanks. I know, but things move quickly there, so I thought it might be easier if someone just let me know things are happening here so that I have that in mind when I come to edit. Thanks for the message anyway. (WT-en) Robert

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Talk:Kuwait

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Kuwait/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.

According to Lonely Planet, if your passport has an Israeli stamp on it you will be denied entry into the country. If this can be verified someone can put it in the article.

Visa
A good addition to this page will be a visa information page. Here is some information: http://www.kuwaitiah.net/visa1.html

Can people go out of the airport with the transit visa?

Bans/Prohibited items/things
Is there any proper/recommended way to include bans (Like the one mentioned here) in an article? I think for a tourist, this is fairly important...

--(WT-en) RealUlli 07:55, 24 November 2010 (EST) Is there a military hospital in Kuwait?

Spammy Internet listings and poor formatting
I know the basic imperative is to plunge forward and fix everything, but I don't have the time or energy right now, so I just note that some of the listings under "Internet" seem spammy and possibly plagiarized and are improperly indented, creating weird gray text boxes. In addition, there is an endnote, and Wikivoyage does not use endnotes. Anyone who starts working on this will be doing a service to the readers and the site. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:28, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Currency, time and spelling conventions
Below is a proposed infobox to let readers know which formatting conventions to use in Wikivoyage articles. Do you agree with these proposals? If you have direct knowledge of what is most commonly used in the country, please let us know. Ground Zero (talk) 04:44, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Moved to the top of this page. Ground Zero (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

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Emergency number
w:112 (emergency telephone number) says 112 is used alongside 112 as emergency number. So is there another main emergency number? Our article is silent on the matter and mentions no emergency number, neither in Stay safe nor in Connect. WV:WYCSI says Stay safe, but assumes there is no general countrywide number. Is that the case for Kuwait? –LPfi (talk) 17:09, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Kuwait City

I moved this article from Kuwait (City) [sic] based solely on my personal experience. I've never heard of Kuwait City called "Kuwait", and the Getty Thesaurus gives "Kuwait City" as the preferred English name. --(WT-en) Evan 16:00, 10 April 2006 (EDT)

Spelling
The reference to Marina Mall in Salmia is spelt wrong. It should be Salmiya. -anon

 * Please plunge forward and correct it! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:23, 20 March 2010 (EDT)

Work
Do we have anyone here who has teached or worked in Kuwait? I suspect the truth likes somewhere in between, so I have removed he following from the article:

''The children are so badly behaved that almost anybody can get a job "teaching" here in a private school. Employees do not need to have teaching certification and in some cases a university degree is not even required. They just need warm bodies in the classrooms to keep the kids from killing each other while the school collects the exorbitant tuition fees. Most of the parents really don't care if the children are educated as long as the report cards display top marks - and they will, whether the teacher marks them or someone else overrules.''

''Regardless of the type of work a person does, there are multiple pay schedules based on point of origin of the worker. Two people doing exactly the same quality work in exactly the same position with exactly the same title will receive two very different salaries if they are from different parts of the world.''

''This is the comments from one who has no idea about the Educational System in Kuwait, ALL teachers are interviewed and tested by the Ministry of Private Education, all Teachers must have a B.A. degree in the subject that they will be teaching. ALL teachers must get a written approval by the Ministry of Private Education. Please make sure you check out your information before putting it online for millions to read''.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 02:55, 1 April 2010 (EDT)

Edits
There was no edit summary for this edit. It's clear that most of it was to update the article, improve the grammar and such, remove unnecessary words and substitute British spellings (which probably makes sense, given Kuwait's history, though I really don't care either way). But is this deleted paragraph (still) true?

''Apart from the Bangladeshi working communities, who do all the low-end jobs in Kuwait, very few others use the public transport. Buses are mainly male, with many of the travellers listening to music without headphones on their mobile phones. The buses can also be filthy as many sit and eat sunflower seed and scatter the shells all over the floor.''

Maybe it was never a really accurate picture (and I certainly wouldn't know, because I've never been to Kuwait), but it seems clear that that was someone's experience, so it would be good to address this deletion on the record. Perhaps User:213.233.101.200 would like to address this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:55, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Kujawsko-Pomorskie

Naming
Do we want to go with the more English sounding "Kuyavian-Pomeranian Voivodship" used by Wikipedia? It'd probably be better than letting people mentally pronounce it "koo-JAW-skoh pa-MOR-ski" all the time. Plus the other Pomorskie voivodships say 'Pomeranian'. (WT-en) Texugo 01:34, 13 March 2008 (EDT)
 * We don't. This is an entirely artificial anglicization of an entirely artificial name. It is as bad as can be. Kujawsko-Pomorskie is rarely if ever even mentioned in English, and it would be a disservice to travellers to provide them with an invented name that might not be entirely unterstood or easily indentifiable as the same with its Polish original name. It is not really easier to pronounce to anybody, and nobody is likely to pronounce it anyway, it is only useful for possible references in writing.
 * I believe using the invented anglicization is very wrong on every levels. I shall revert the recent changes to it and remain open to discussion if somehow there are fans of it around. PrinceGloria (talk) 19:45, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * This and Warmia-Masuria are the only two voivodships for which we are using the artifical anglicizations instead of original names. I guess for the sake of consistency and clarity (the anglicizations are used much less frequent and voivodship/region names are not rendered in English in an uniform way anyway) we should revert to Polish names for those two as well. PrinceGloria (talk) 22:03, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * 6 years later. I have to agree with you. Consistency here is better than alignment with however WP does it. Texugo (talk) 22:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Name based on the official website of the Republic of Poland - poland.gov.pl. --Alan ffm (talk) 00:35, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Alan, you can see that in the same page they render it "Kuyavian-Pomeranian" and "Kuiavia-Pomerania" (Kuiavia???) and Kujawsko-Pomorskie. This is trying to create and English-sounding name for a region that never had one. Sounds awful and is pretty meaningless. Browse further and you will find Kuyavia, Cuiavia, Cuiavian and other renderings as well. PrinceGloria (talk) 04:18, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
 * PS. The voivodeship itself does not subscribe to this nonsense and calls itself Kujawsko-Pomorskie in their English-language web presence: http://www.kujawsko-pomorskie.pl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3839&Itemid=98

Merging and reconfiguring sub-articles
Dear All,

This -> Travellers'_pub

Comments?

PrinceGloria (talk) 10:45, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Articles on unimportant or minor locations vs. subregions
I often encounter this issue and have been thinking about it recently - some regions have almost-empty or empty articles created for cities, towns, municipalities and villages that are relatively unimportant, minor and have very little of tourist interest. Not only are they unlikely to ever be covered by anybody, but even if covered well, they would make for short articles (as those places are admittedly lousy tourist destinations). One example is Kujawsko-Pomorskie, which has many minor towns and cities, and there were articles created for a relatively random subgroup of those, e.g. for Nowy Dwór Królewski which is a village so small that there isn't even an ATM there and the only thing of interest are the almost inaccessible ruins of a long-forgotten "palace". This may be a secret find to somebody, but it is actually quite misleading to highlight this place as a destination, as it is hard to reach and will be a disappointment to most.

Some other articles were created for places that are legitimate, if minor destinations. Most have only a few accommodation opportunities, no public transportation and the general information relating to "get in", "understand" and such is largely the same for many of the neigbouring places. There are 52 cities and towns in the region, and each has its share of historic buildings and, at least minor, attractions.

My idea would be to keep the articles for the major destionations (by size or touristic interest) and have the latter combined into a few articles for subregions of the voivodship (province). Going by administrative divisions would be impractical, as the next level is quite small and would warrant no less than 23 articles. Therefore, I thought of going by the, curbing the number of articles to a maximum of six regions, six cities and two special destinations. Then if one day we would have enough content to warrant separate articles for some destinations, they could easily be carved out.

I am unsure if this does not violate some important Wikivoyage policies, as it would mean submitting a few articles for deletion, merging others and having the lowest-level articles in the breadcrumb trail covering an area larger than a city in some cases. Do let me know if I should heed some warning or plunge forward. Thanks a lot in advance, PrinceGloria (talk) 08:54, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

 * Each article should be proposed for merge and redirect. This gives others a chance to comment. After a consensus has been reached, or after a week or two if nobody bothers to comment you can reasonably assume no objections then you go ahead with the merge and redirect. You should explain on the talk page why you think the article does not justify its own article, to save time, as someone will ask. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:50, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

 * PrinceGloria, you may have stumbled upon what I think could be one of the great strengths of wikivoyage, the ability to find and expand upon smaller areas that simply are overlooked in other travel guidebooks and commercial websites. Some of the most interesting gems that I have discovered were in small towns in areas that I thought I knew well but discovered a wealth of info while developing articles and I would encourage you to dig deeper if you have the patience. Home on the Kitsap Peninsula for example is a small sleepy town with not much to offer tourists but upon further investigation I dug up a fascinating history of Anarchy and assassination.  Olalla isn't much more than a gas station, but also turned up an interesting history and a plethora of parks and beaches that I didn't know about.  My list of other fascinating areas I've uncovered is long, including Fox Island, Lakebay, Oysterville etc that time and the internet have simply forgotten.  As a traveler I love the off the beaten path towns and out of the way destinations and I don't think that anywhere classifies as 'unimportant', I hope you can find enough info to develop some of these articles further. --Lumpytrout (talk) 13:20, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

 * Wikivoyage never had any consistent policy regarding small and relatively unimportant destinations. Many people think that every tiny place merits its own article, although in reality we get nothing but hundreds of useless stubs. Some less-known places are indeed hidden gems, but most of them are simply boring. Anyway, the lack of strict policy and the huge difference in our opinions make vfd requests of this type rather hopeless. My discreet suggestion is that you describe minor destinations of Kujawsko-Pomorskie in its regional article and see what happens. Once you put the information, it may be easier to convince people for replacing stub articles with redirects. And of course, if you want to discuss the layout of a specific region, use the relevant talk page. --Alexander (talk) 15:10, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

 * There should not be any "vfd requests of this type" since policy is to redirect real places rather than deleting them. There's a judgement call involved, so of course we'll sometimes disagree and sometimes get it wrong, but the choices are clear. If a reasonable article on the small place is possible and someone here cares enough and knows enough to write one, then keep the article and link to it elsewhere. If not, turn it into a redirect. Pashley (talk) 15:54, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks for taking the time to weigh in and explain it to me, guys! It seems the right thing to do is for the particular village that is my pet peeve to be redirected (without merging, as there is little to merge), and then cover the area of KujPom not covered by larger city articles by several sub-regional articles, with mentions of interesting localities in all of them, and see how it pans out. Perhaps one day enthusiastic editors will turn many of them into full-fledged guides to places we never heard about or thought nobody will ever go to... PrinceGloria (talk) 07:39, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

 * That sounds about right, as long as there is some mention of the redirected place at the article you redirect to otherwise people will think the redirect is an error.
 * If you decide to just plunge in and do it without previous discussion, I suggest a short explanation so the next person along knows what you have done and why. Saves explaining later. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 08:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Kvarner

Kvarner has Krk as a subregion, which makes good sense. But we then also need a subregion for the rest of Kvarner, I suggest Mainland Kvarner, any objections?, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 03:30, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
 * I have created description for the regions, and I have deleted "regions discussion" template - we have only 5 cities and 6 destionations currently. --Voll (talk) 19:36, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Kwasitchewan Falls

Comments
I'm heading up there July 18th-22nd for the first time to do some original research. Plenty more to come when I get back! (WT-en) Weaponofmassinstruction 20:54, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

Did the trail and it was grueling but well worth it. Made some additions to the page. --(WT-en) Trocko 23:55, 16 August 2010 (EDT)

Proposed merger
K Falls is not in Pisew Park - it is 22 km away. Also, merging the two articles would create an unholy mess that would be difficult for the reader to navigate. Oppose. Ground Zero (talk) 13:11, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that an exception to wiaa applies here:
 * "There are exceptions to every rule, and Wikivoyage is no different. Be aware, however, that if you think something deserves an exception you should be ready to defend your position. Cases where exceptions are made include attractions, sites, or events that are far away (too far for a day trip) from any city and would require an overnight stay, or so large and complex that the information about them would overload the city article."
 * Ground Zero (talk) 15:57, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

, looking at this again, I think you were right and I was wrong. Kwasitchewan Falls is really only going to be accessed from Pisew Falls Provincial Park, so it makes more sense to have the K Falls information there. The P Falls article already covers some of the stuff here, making a merger even more sensible. Ground Zero (talk) 17:48, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:KwaZulu-Natal

Region Restructuring
I'm restruturing the regions to match the official Zulu Kingdom tourism regions. It makes more sense that way as all other material and roadsigns a traveler will encounter will follow the official regions. -- (WT-en) NJR_ZA 05:01, 3 March 2007 (EST)

Map revision
I've tried to fix the map to reflect the regions as they appear to me. Please make any corrections needed. The remaining issue from my perspective is that the Ukhahlamba Drakensberg region as described does not follow municipal boundaries, so it does not appear on the map, but as part of the Battlefields and Midlands regions. I don't know how to fix this. Ground Zero (talk) 19:06, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Kyaikhto

Suggest this be moved to Kyaiktiyo, as per Kyaiktiyo,, Lonely Planet, et al - any objections?

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Talk:Kyaiktiyo

King Kaveen took all his minions and built his rock over the beautiful nightfall. Now the whereabouts of King Kaveen is unknown

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Talk:Kyleakin

Deleted reference to Youth Hostel as it is now shut down and being turned into flats

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