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Talk:Yangon

Shouldn't this page re-direct to Yangon (instead of the other way around)?

Myanmar: "Yangon (formerly Rangoon)"

Burma ("old" name) is re-directed to Myanmar ("new" name)

etc

 * Done. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:10, 30 Nov 2005 (EST)

Bulk revert of 202.79.24.30's edits
So, I don't like to do this, but I've reverted the set of 202.79.24.30's changes:

 * http://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Yangon&diff=403317&oldid=402238

To me, while I'll admit to having no personal experience of Myanmar, it looks like you're whitewashing many of the city's problems ("thousands gunned down" → "Socialism was officially ended", removal of the section on airport hassles, removal of much safety info, etc). Please explain your removals first. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:16, 5 November 2006 (EST)

 * Cherie, I know very well that thousands were gunned down - I was there outside the Town Hall when it happened, and have never been so frightened in mu life. I also helped students escape Burma after the event, and met with Min Ko Naing, and with Aung San Ssu Kyi. BUT, this is a travel site, not a political one.

 * As for the official ending of socialism, this is a matter of fact and history, not of opinion. Ne Win, may he rot in Hell, came to to the big jamboree of the BSPP and told the assembled delegates that the last thirty years had ben a waste of time, and that socialism (and the one-party state) were henceforth at an end. Then he left the room, leaving a very strange scene behind - delegates had ben given speeches lauding specific points of Ne Win's officla speech, in which he (officially) was to have said that socialism was a Good Thing. No-one knew what to say or do. This was the beginning of the end for socialist Burma. Not, unfortunately, for the army kleptocracy, which continues its hold to this day. But socialism was over. (My source for this is the man who wrote the speeches for the delegates - plus, of course, I was there, in the country if not in the room).

 * Ok, I've created an acount, under the name of The Masked Duck. This is a reference to the great Duckman, who is, of course, always masked. I am not Nick the Duckman, who so far as I know is safely tucked up in bed in his bookshop. But I follow in his footsteps. (WT-en) The Masked Duck 09:32, 6 November 2006 (EST)

 * As a note, just because this isn't a political wiki does not mean we should exclude the information about thousands being gunned down. This is a travel guide and many travellers travel so they can learn and experience cultures and history.  The murder of several thousand people will forever be deeply ingrained in Myanmar's cultural experience and history, so I'd very much prefer that the story be left in the guide. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 10:01, 6 November 2006 (EST)

 * That the masacres of 1988 took place is history, not politics, and should be included. (I've toyed with the idea of running guided tours of the sites - the General Hospital, the White Bridge, the railway crossing in Okkalapa, and of course the Town Hall - but everything has been plastered and painted over and there's really not much to see these days). That ASSK sayd visitors should stay away is politics, and should not. If you want a discussion, (and why not?), this is the issue to focus on. 202.79.24.30 05:50, 7 November 2006 (EST)

 * Whether to go or not and, yes, what ASSK thinks are fairly big questions for most visitors, so I think the "pro" and "con" sides should be summarized in an infobox — but on the main Myanmar page, not here. (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:09, 7 November 2006 (EST)

 * Fine. Had a quick look at the Myanmar page - like the Yangon page, it reads like a series of excerpts from the Thorntree. The ASSK part would certainly benefit from being put in an infobox and drastically shortened. see it mentions the fact that ASSK hasn't repeated the call for visitors to stay away. I believe she made this request in the context of the Visit Burma Year, and may never have intended it to be aforever thing, but I don't know for sure. 202.79.24.30 02:50, 8 November 2006 (EST)

"Cantonment"
The article keeps referring to "the cantonment." The downtown part of Yangon was never a cantonment, and the word itself is now obsolete. The Burmese themselves call the various bits of the downtown area by the names of the various townships, and taxi drivers are used to foreigners calling it either Yangon or "the city." But never "the cantonment."(WT-en) The Masked Duck 22:05, 14 November 2006 (EST)

I'm going to remove all references to the cantonment. The downtown area was never a part of the cantonment (which was centered around the Shwedagon Pagoda in colonial times - and still has a heavy military presence) and, as the Masked Duck says, no one uses that word anyway. --(WT-en) Wandering 14:42, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

Condensation of Shwe Dagon Paya (pagoda)
I understand this is the main attraction in the city, but the section in it is enormous and has a lot of relatively un-usefull information.

While I would thank the editor for such a well thought out and written article, I would like to make it a bit shorter.

--Billbarrelrider (talk) 11:07, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Full disclosure
I'm the barman at the lodge hostel bar- which I listed in "drink", I'm writing the whole "drink" section since there is barely anything there. If anyone believes that this is a conflict of interest or inappropriate they are welcome to revert my edits or write the "drink" section themselves. --Billbarrelrider (talk) 12:04, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Yangshuo

Silk?
I doubt the "silk" items are real silk. What I have seen is mostly polyester. It's very hard to spot the difference if you are not a textile expert.

An anonymous user deleted something I put it, link to a tourist guide "a pleasant lass with reasonable English is Lily 13471397956". I'm putting it back, since I see no reason for the removal. Comment, anyone? (WT-en) Pashley 06:34, 23 May 2006 (EDT)

Prices
Current text is:

Advice for tourists who have no idea what the Chinese price should be:

 * assume nothing on offer here is worth more than half of the asking price, and most things quite a bit less
 * try perhaps a quarter of the asking price as your first offer.

When I wrote that, I said

 * assume nothing on offer here is worth more than a third of the asking price, and most things quite a bit less
 * try perhaps a tenth of the asking price as your first offer.

I really feel my numbers are more accurate, but would like to hear other opinions. Anyone? (WT-en) Pashley 02:39, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

No comment in several months, so I've changed it. (WT-en) Pashley 23:27, 9 November 2006 (EST)

 * .. and someone changed that to "assume nothing on offer here is worth more than a quarter of the asking price". Interesting. (WT-en) Pashley 06:46, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

Someone has now deleted that advice entirely here. This is probably OK since it is now covered at the end of Bargaining and we have links to Bargaining in this article. Pashley (talk) 03:05, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Lodging
You have the Karst Hotel listed as Mid-Range, but they do have some cheap rooms. Their dormitory-style rooms are the same price as at Monkey Jane's, and cheaper than the Backstreet Hostel but it's much, much nicer. Everything is clean and they put bright, pretty duvet covers and pillow cases on all the bedding. You get to the Karst Hotel by going down the alley directly opposite the entrance to China Climb.

Also, you should note on here that Monkey Jane's can be really dirty. I stayed there one night and had mice, cockroaches and lots and lots of mold, all in the same room. -Kari

I added details about the Karst Hotel, but it is still listed as mid-range. I wonder if it should be listed in both budget and mid range, because the dormitory rooms are very affordable- 15 RMB per night when I was there during July 2007. (WT-en) Krudd01 19:47, 3 March 2008 (EST)

biased
Are personal opinions, like 98 Bar being arguably the best hangout in town, allowed?

Most entries are biased - new hotels, bars, restaurants get added by owners or friends of owners, or just as bad, someone who visited for 2 days and thought they knew everything (However, Bar 98 is full of douche bags)

 * Plunge forward! (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:36, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Some people might be of the opinion that the Aussies that hang there are arguably the biggest douche bags in town.

 * Bias and personal opinions are actually welcomed, so long as they are, broadly speaking, fair—you can't write a guide without recommendations. If you think it is an unfair description, please do plunge forward and make it right! You might also want to check out Project:Avoid negative reviews, though. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:21, 9 January 2008 (EST)

 * shameless self-promotions seem like a big disease of TravelWiki (WT-en) Travelstar 13:40, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

 * I rewrote somewhat. I think it still needs both more places and more detail on some we have. (WT-en) Pashley

"Understand" section
I think the current text is too complex; it needs to be cleaned up and summarised. I wrote some of it and would prefer someone else, more objective, do the cleanup. (WT-en) Pashley 10:10, 9 January 2008 (EST)

I went ahead and changed it. Others should have a look, perhaps improve it. (WT-en) Pashley 21:16, 12 January 2008 (EST)

I deleted "with authentic western cuisine and a good standard of English spoken." I was there a few months ago, and no one spoke English at all and the food was just like the rest of china...it was awesome, but not western.

Vietnamese visa?
This diff  deletes info on Vietnamese visas which I consider worth keeping. Other opinions? (WT-en) Pashley 19:32, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

 * Keep it -- it's about obtaining visas in Yangshuo, which is relevant. I've reverted (and changed the wording a bit). (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:12, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Yak Cafe
An anonymous contributor deleted this listing without explanation. I reverted, giving the place the benefit of the doubt, but maybe there's good reason to delete, so I'm asking here. (WT-en) Pashley 10:31, 12 September 2008 (EDT) it has closed down!!!! -

Tour Guides
Is there a policy on listing these? Is there a slippery slope we should worry about?

Almost the first thing on this talk page is me arguing that a guide listing should go back in after someone deleted it. I did put it back, but it has since been deleted again. Apparently some people feel we should not give info on good local guides. I'd say they're wrong, but that does not mean I'm entirely clear on how to handle such info.

Sometimes it is clear. I've recently deleted touting text here and others took the same text out of China, Guilin, Tibet, ...

We currently have a messed up listing of several guides under Get around/Tour Guides. It is sufficiently unreadable (despite or perhaps because of recent edits) that I cannot tell how to salvage it. Should we trash it? Or can someone fix it, so that a reader can tell which name goes with which phone number? If we are using tags, then each guide should have their own .. tags.

Other guides are mentioned, without tagging, under See/Yangshuo Town. Obviously, we want only one list (or zero). Where? And should it use tags? (WT-en) Pashley 08:15, 2 March 2009 (EST)

 * I split it up into separately tagged items. (WT-en) Pashley 21:46, 11 March 2009 (EDT)

OK, this seems to be running problem. I recently de-touted some, perhaps not enough. Then Gorilla Jones, a regular contributor whose judgement I'm inclined to respect, deleted the whole section. Is there a policy that covers this? Where? If not, what should policy be?

The Gorilla didn't get everything. Some of the same guides are mentioned at Guilin, and there's more guide info at Yangshuo, Should it all go? Why?

I'd be inclined to leave in a list of guides that gives only name and contact info (phone, email, office address, website), with names in alphabetical order. The touting text must go, and it seems to me the way to handle that is by having no text. Other opinions? (WT-en) Pashley 11:25, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

 * They should all be deleted. We run into this situation with Southeast Asia guides quite often, especially Siem Reap. There are so many of these tour guides who work these places. A first stop would be Project:Activity_listings and the talk page. The basic rule of thumb is Wikivoyage is designed for independent travelers, and that we only list tour operators/tour guides who can provide access to a place that you could not access independently (such as North Korea). (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 11:51, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

I don't agree with Gorilla. Wikivoyage is built for making travelers conveniently. The list can help tourists find good operators easily. If there are no listing, tourists may be touted by non-qualified guides at the exits of airport, train station and bus station. According the to listing policy(http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Activity_listings#Tour_listings) I think any tour operators who meet the 4 conditions blow can be listed. 1.The operator must have a "real world" office with a phone number and address. 2.Do not list tour operators that act as a booking agent or travel-planner for the traveler—tour agencies should offer something as a supplement, rather than a replacement for Wikivoyage guides. Listed tours should count as an activity available at a destination (e.g., a helicopter tour of a city, or a camel expedition into the Sahara). 3.Do not list resellers of tours, only list the actual tour operators. 4.Always list tour agencies if they are requisite to visit a certain area. Examples include tours required by law (e.g., Panmunjeom) and tours required due to exceptional danger (e.g., war zones and extreme environments such as the Amazon, Antarctica, Space, etc). I do agree that booking agent should not be listed here. Top Level Tour offer train ticket, hotel booking and etc. however, our cord service is to act as an operator for tourists who need our package or private tour and booking services are built for making tourists conveniently not our cord business. Moreover, individual guide should not be listed because they are not operators but probably tout. It would be great that require the operator summit their business liscense to somewhere in wikivoyage to verify before they list their names on it. I am sure by this way, travelers can reach good operators direcly and easily through wikivoyage.

 * 1) Don't spam your comments across multiple articles.
 * 2) Gorilla Jones is not simply offering an opinion—he is citing policy.
 * 3) Policy = Tour listings are welcome on Wikivoyage as long as they constitute a value-added activity, rather than a booking service or general travel planning.
 * 4) If you want that policy changed, bring it up at the policy talk page, not here.
 * 5) I do not think you will be successful in changing this policy. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:42, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

It is good that we have a right place to share our different views.
 * 1) It is not spam. You can delete the same reply on the other page. I think you did already.In the future we can just talk here instead of talking the same issue in two different pages.
 * 2) Ok, Gorilla is citing policy.
 * 3) As I have claimed in another page, I state again here: Top Level Tour is NOT an agent for any tour operators and NOT a booking service office. Our services are valueble. We have our own tourguides, cars, office and we offer package and private tour to travelers directly without any agents. Our office is just 5mins' walk from train station and hundreds of travelers have joined our tours; if needed you can leave an email add here so I can email you our license as a qualificated tour operator in China.
 * 4&5) I agree with the policy. I don't need to change it.

Look at the one of Tri-Star Pilot Service Tours,(http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Activity_listings#Listing_subdivisions_and_order) It is sample of Activity Listings. If it can be listed I think we can too. Otherwise it is unfair:-( That's what I want to claim. I still think Top Level Tour meet the conditions and should be listed. Hope to get your reply soon. Thank you! Lily

 * It does not. Someone flying you through a city in a prop plane is an activity. A tour agency that removes the need to use our guides is not. Frankly, I don't believe you are this dense, that you realize that you are not going to have your tour agency listed here, and are here only to pester. Your idiosyncratic interpretation of our tour policy is anyway irrelevant, since no one else agrees with you. You are therefore simply wasting time (I'm not sure whose, really), and I will not comment on this further. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:18, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

It does not?:-( Can you please elabrote which conditions that we don't meet in http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Activity_listings#Tour_listings I am not pester. I just take people's advice and present our case in the right place where we talk about. No one else agrees with me? I think only you and some people don't. "Your idiosyncratic interpretation of our tour policy is anyway irrelevant" ? You always never list the specific item while I always present my opinions with the specific items of the rules from wikivoyage pages supported. You have been finding different pages of the rules of wikivoyage to contradict me but they are absurdness. I have been studying the rules for a long time and I exactly know our agency do not be against any of them. Thank you! Lily

 * Wikivoyage is designed for independent travelers. The Activity Listings page says this, right above the section you keep quoting:

 * In general, if a traveler could fulfill the substance of the tour on their own, the tour should not be listed on Wikivoyage.

 * An independent traveler doesn't need your help to visit Yangshuo. He can do it by himself. But he can't fly a plane by himself, so he needs Tri-Star Pilot Tours. He can't go to North Korea by himself because of government rules, so he needs a tour operator. But he can visit the places in Yangshuo by himself, without a tour operator, using our Wikivoyage guide. He can "fulfill the substance of the tour on his own". You only offer hotel booking (can do it himself), train booking (can do it himself), tour guides (can do it himself), and convenience (can do it himself). So we don't list tour operators like yours for Yangshuo. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 12:13, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

Thanks. This new reason is more reasonble not like the other ones that asks me to read this page and that page without giving me a specific reason. I am glad help wikivoyage to edit more information according to the rules in the future. I just wonder you guys check wikivoyage every day and reply people 's messages and you don't need to work and have fun with friends? Top Level Tour-Lily in Guilin, China

 * Thank you for being concerned about us. But traveling is fun, so it's fun to write about traveling! Gorilla Jones in Chicago, USA.

I dont believe the bald assertion "Wikivoyage is designed for independent travelers.". Granted, most of the writers and many of the readers fit that description, but it has been argued elsewhere that, for example, having an article on War zone safety is a good idea because WT is not just for tourists and the Wikivoyage_talk:Votes_for_deletion page discusses having articles on places like Wake Island that are only open to military personnel and their contractors. So I do not thing it is only for independent travellers, perhaps mainly but not only.

Many travellers do use these services, especially in places like Yangshuo where a guide really helps if you want to get out into the countryside and a tour may be the best way to see the terrace farming areas. You can certainly do both on your own, but not every traveller wants to. They can be fairly difficult if you do not speak or read Chinese and some travellers would sooner spend the money than have the hassle. Personally, I'd only consider using a guide or taking a tour someplace like Agra or the Forbidden City where I want the explanation of the history, but that's me.

So I think links to guides and tour operators (not resellers) do belong in this article. I'd even include guides that lack a "real world office", the ones that work out of some cafe in Yangshuo. It does need some comment about avoiding the touts around the bus stations and asking to see a license, though. (WT-en) Pashley 21:27, 3 May 2009 (EDT)

 * Believe whatever hairy or bald assertions you like — it's written into the fiber of every Star article on this site. The terms on when tour operators should and should not be listed are laid out on Project:Activity_listings, and if you want to change them, Project:Activity_listings is the place to open a discussion. I've never been to Yangshuo, but I shudder to think how choked and cluttered any Thailand article, for example, would be under the terms you're suggesting. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 21:46, 3 May 2009 (EDT)

Car hire listing
We have a nascent edit war about a car hire listing. I don't think a listing for a specific car hire company is appropriate, unless perhaps there's only one such company in Yangshuo - especially, given the description:

"A professional service designed to provide tourists with efficient and safe private transportation while visiting Guilin, Yangshuo and Longsheng."

I might have left up simple contact information.

The lister claims it's not an ad, but a service to visitors, to keep the listing here. Your opinions, please? (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 13:53, 13 April 2011 (EDT)

 * I think it is fine. Listing a couple of car rental companies is better than nothing. As some tourists need this service. Just make sure that it is not from travel agencies(indirect to rent car) so that there is no edit war. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 58.252.109.246 (talk • contribs)

 * Certainly looks like a tour agency to me, but doesn't have the necessary information. -- (WT-en) D. Guillaime 12:39, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

 * Hi Guillaime, do you mean that as a car hire company it can be listed after fill up all the necessary information of the company? Or are there any more rules for listing car hire company?

 * Read Project:External links, Project:Activity_listings, and Project:Don't tout. Not everything on those pages will be relevant to your particular case, but see whether what you want to list actually conforms to all that's covered on those pages. If it doesn't, there's no way it can be listed. If it does, those pages give you guidelines for how to post a listing in the proper tone. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 18:36, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

 * I think it is okay to be listed with all the necessary information like the car hire companies listed in European countries wikivoyage pages. If you don't agree with me please read Project:External links, Project:Activity_listings and find out the specific relevant rules.

 * You have to demonstrate that your listing conforms; merely asserting that you think it's OK is not sufficient. And this text from your website strongly suggests otherwise:

 * Why us?

 * 1. You will enjoy safe & hassle-free travel with our more than 10 years' experience.

 * 2. You will have a professional driver who can also work as your tour guide free of charge.

 * 3. You will save your time by letting us plan your trip with our deep local knowledge free of charge. You will enjoy the most affordable price.

 * See the words "tour guide" there? And of course, "free of charge" is a bogus marketing ploy. Obviously, guiding is somehow worked into the price tourists would pay. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 09:12, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

 * The drivers don't have official tour guide license. Their job is mainly driving not guiding. But when a driver is with passengers alone in a small car they will talk and driver will introduce some something for the passengers. This kind of guiding is not professional and can't charge money for the service. That's why "You will have a professional driver who can also work as your tour guide free of charge." Passengers don't expect high quality of guiding because what they pay is for hiring a car with driver who can guide them a little bit NOT a professional tour guide.

I am not convinced, guess there are hundreds of those in Yanshuo, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 19:02, 29 April 2011 (EDT)

@ClausHansen Hundreds of those are run by travel agencies. Redirect the customers to private own cars. No more than 3 car rental companies in Yangshuo county and no more than 5 in Guilin city. Customers can't contact car rental companies easily.

 * I saw one car rental company in Guilin (just under How Hostel) and didn't see any in Yangshuo. I thought it didn't exist.

You say "The drivers don't have official tour guide license. Their job is mainly driving not guiding." Does that mean the whole thing is illegal? I know China has a whole system of licenses for guides, but am not sure what the rules for unlicensed guides are. (WT-en) Pashley 04:32, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

Inaccuracies as regards prices
There are many inaccuracies as regards prices in the article. E.g. in the taxi section, it says that you have to pay at least 20-30 yuan for a 300 m - 3 km distance. This is absolutely wrong. The taxi drivers will ask you 20-30 yuan, but after bargaining you can easily (within seconds!) achieve a much better price (e.g. 10 yuan) for the same distances.

Then, in the section focused especially on prices, I read that prices in Yangshuo are "highly inflated". This is also definitely wrong. In many items, I found in Yangshuo the best prices (always after bargaining, although sometimes not very hard). After all, the table in the same section contradicts the previous text! In 3 of the 7 listed items I see better prices for Yangshuo than elsewhere in China!

In any case, Yangshuo is by far much cheaper in most items than Shanghai, and I can say that with absolute certainty!

I will try to correct some of the aforementioned inaccuracies, based on my personal recent experience.

PS: The standard price for ties in China is 10 yuans and not 20, as it is wrongly mentioned.--Yannismarou (talk) 12:35, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

 * In my experience asking prices in Yangshuo are quite inflated, though if you haggle well they become reasonable.
 * I did the original version of that table back around 2007. It was accurate then, but I agree it is mess now. Pashley (talk) 12:47, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Here's a version from 2006:

Pashley (talk) 12:52, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Asking price are often inflated everywhere in China! I can tell you asking prices in Shanghai which were 5-10 times higher than the finally agreed price (e.g. asking price for a big silk fake scarf 325 yuans, and finally agreed price 70 yuans [which was still higher than the actual one, because when I left the seller was triumphant!], or asking price for 2 sets of fake socks 35 yuans, and finally agreed price 10 yuans). My experience in Yangshuo and Guilin was not much different than elsewhere. They ask whatever they want, and then you start bargaining with them trying to find out which is their real price! But (unfortunately) this is the case wherever I have been in China!
 * I did some updating as regards taxi prices in Yangshuo. I did not mess with the table, because I am not sure about all the items. Based on my own experience, the last advice (buy elsewhere in China if you can) does not seem to be correct (at least not in all cases).--Yannismarou (talk) 13:05, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

 * For instance, chinese hand fans are much cheaper in Yangshuo (8 yuans each without bargaining) than in Shanghai (15-20 yuans each often after bargaining!). This is also the case for 2-years old traditional chinese child dresses (25-30 yuans each after bargainind in Yangshuo; circa 50 yuans after bargaining in Shanghai).--Yannismarou (talk) 13:14, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Asking prices have been inflated in every tourist area I have visited — China, India, the Middle East, Southeast Asia — and I have heard stories from other areas. Also, prices sometimes depend on where you are from. A westerner or Japanese might be quoted more than a Chinese, and an out-of-province Chinese more than a local.
 * Maybe there is nothing special about Yangshuo and we should delete the section?
 * However, I do think travellers need to know they need to bargain to get sane prices; at least that much should stay in. Pashley (talk) 13:27, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Rooftop bars
A new user just removed info on Mono bar & replaced it with Bad Panda, almost next door. (diff) I suspect this violates our policy at Welcome,_business_owners, but have not reverted because I am not certain. Has Mono closed? Pashley (talk) 14:24, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

 * @Pashley. The bar formally known as Mono is now a rooftop Bar called Bad Panda. Mono closed down around 2 years ago, and has recently been reopened as a bar and Hostel called Bad Panda. If editing the existing business violates some policies I can create a new one, But i can assure you that Mono no longer resides at this address. —The preceding comment was added by 116.1.70.150 (talk • contribs)

 * In that case, the search results haven't caught up with this. Go ahead and post a listing. P.S.: Please sign your posts on talk pages like this one by typing 4 tildes (the ~ key) in a row before pressing Enter. Thanks a lot. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:15, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Banner name
The current banner is named "Yongshuebanner.jpg", but its commons page says it is from the Yangshuo area and it certainly looks it. Should we correct the spelling? Or is there a place called Yongshue? Pashley (talk) 04:46, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Pashley, I have no idea. I just cropped the existing banner. --Danapit (talk) 16:06, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Bar 98?
I see no listing for this bar which, when I was last in Y about 2010, was busy and popular. Several other listings, though, use Bar 98 as a reference point; their place is "across the street from" or "a bit South of" Bar 98. We should either add a listing for 98 or delete the references; I'm not sure which.

Personally, I rather liked the place; food and music were good, the location central, the view nice and some of the conversation good. On the other hand, I do think the commenter at above had a point; some customers were utter louts.

Has anyone got recent info? Pashley (talk) 03:00, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

 * It seems the listing was removed in this edit, back in Jan 2013, by an anon IP with no other contributions (except for an edit to another bar listing), and without stating the reason for the removal. It might be safe to revive the listing until we've got solid evidence on the ground that the place has closed its doors forever. Vidimian (talk) 15:54, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

 * I restored the listing based on above discussion, but I notice that Lonely Planet have deleted theirs so that may have been a mistake. Pashley (talk) 05:14, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Chinese street names
Text in the understand section gives some street names in Chinese characters, and the map gives more. As far as I can tell, the text and the map do not match. Pashley (talk) 13:33, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

CONNECT - Mobile Service Reception
How is China Unicom mobile reception there? 22:59, 24 August 2015 (UTC) Darryn

 * I have not been there in about five years. My China Mobile phone worked fine & in several visits totalling about a month spread out over a few years I never heard anyone complaining about bad reception. Pashley (talk) 02:51, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Yangzhou

Comments
Since I'm living here, I just added a few notes on my experience of the town. However, my knowledge is somewhat expat-centric. More tourism info would be welcome! (WT-en) Tatterdemalion 23:51, 8 January 2008 (EST)

My opinions on Yangzhou
Yangzhou is an underrated but very nice place to spend a night or two. It may not be as famous as Suzhou or Hangzhou, but it's just as beautiful. Woshiyiweizhongguoren (talk) 15:50, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

title: Talk:Yangzhou


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Talk:Yantai

List moved from See section
Wikivoyage positively discourages bland lists with no details. The following was cut from the See section in this aritcle. If anyone has details such as location, description, contact etc, please do add them back.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 02:24, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Yantai Hill

Yantai Beaches

Ta-Shan Mountain

Changyu Winery

Nanshan Park

Yantai Museum

Empty Island

Horse Raising Island

Penglai Pavilion

Penglai's Dan Cliffs

Penglai Ocean Aquarium World

Longkou Cliffs

Weihai Coastline

Yantai West Seaport

Long Island (Chang Dao)

Weihai Golf-Course

Yantai Yuhuangding Park

Mountain Yunfeng

Zhifu Island

Yunding Natural Landscape Tourist Area

Huanghai Recreation Center

Nanshan Scenic Spot Zone

Fujian Guildhall

Dings' Former Domicile

Moushi Demesne

Mountain Kunyu

About banner
I changeed file：烟台栈桥 - panoramio (cropped).jpg to. I think that's more representative. Zhou Yuji1028 (talk) 06:46, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Ya Nui

TAT Listings
Moved the following TAT sleep listings here for clean-up:

 * Nai Ya Beach Bungalow (ในยะ บีช บังกะโล) 99 Mu 6, Tambon Rawai, Amphoe Mueang            (Tel: 0 7628 8817), 20 rooms: 750-1,650 baht
 * Yanui Bay View (ยะนุ้ย เบย์ วิว) 94/10 Mu 6, Wiset Road (Tel: 08 9875 7146), 12 rooms: 600-800 baht
 * Yanui Beach Bungalow (ยะนุ้ย บีช บังกะโล) 93/1 Mu 2, Soi Ya Nui, Wiset Road,  Amphoe Mueang (Tel: 0 7623 8179), 16 rooms: 450-600 baht

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 22:15, 15 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Yaowarat and Phahurat Tour

Yaowarat and Pahurat Tour Star Discussion
Together with the district I've also created a walking tour article through the area, which is somewhat modeled after Along the Magnificent Mile. Let me know whether you think its star worthy. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 09:51, 12 July 2010 (EDT)
 * Support Nice article about a tour in a of-the-beaten track area. (WT-en) ViMy 12:12, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
 * Support. Another beautiful article, and a feather in the Bangkok guide's cap. I'll try to give a closer read when I have time to provide whatever copyediting help may be useful—even if after starring. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:13, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
 * Support. It looks like a busy day. One or two small things. It would be nice to know roughly the distance to be walked in each section. If this is mentioned, it is not obvious. There are also instances of unusual English usage. In general this does not bother me greatly, but I will try to sort out the more confusing ones where I can. (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 14:28, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
 * A busy day indeed :) I will update the map in the following 2 weeks and add the distance to it. I'm also thinking of changing the direction a little bit so the route doesn't overlap at Soi Issaranuphap. What do you think of this? --(WT-en) globe-trotter 22:00, 9 September 2010 (EDT)
 * I cant find Soi Issaranuphap on the map, so can't comment on your suggestion. However I can recommend making the road names more legible, maybe put the numbers where they dont overlap the text. (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 16:53, 11 September 2010 (EDT)

I've had a chance to do a careful read through of the article, and it's really one of the best in-shape star nominations I've seen. It's a really pleasant read through, and makes a really compelling case to put in the effort for the sweaty full day tour. The only cavil I have is with a couple turns of phrase duplicated in the district article, since readers will likely go over both articles when touring the area. I noted the two instances that I recognized.

Also, it's been well past the deadline for new comments, so please, by all means, add the stars to the articles! I'll be sure to light up Thailand on the stars map once you do. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:33, 12 September 2010 (EDT)

 * Oh, and I don't really know what barbecued prawns would be, but I think I'd eat the hell out of that! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:37, 12 September 2010 (EDT)

Result: Promoted. --(WT-en) globe-trotter

Shark Fin Soup
Should this article promote the sale of shark fin soup? —The preceding comment was added by 78.144.83.174 (talk • contribs)

 * I don't think the article makes any value judgment on it—it just provides the information to travelers who want it, which is what Wikivoyage is supposed to do. The only exception we've made on that front is regarding information on prostitution. --Peterfitzgeraldsock (talk) 23:10, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Yap

The Birth of Yap
I thought I would start this page. I've never been to Yap, but I have read quite a bit about it and have a keen interest in the Island.

~(WT-en) MrMetropolitan

 * Go for it.
 * PS: You need to be logged in to sign your posts with ~ . -- (WT-en) Huttite 23:19, 11 Jan 2006 (EST)

I added some more content, as well as a picture of Yap that I made using MS Paint. I hope to eventually get a better picture, but suppose it's better than nothing.

~(WT-en) MrMetropolitan

Verify Information
I've removed all content from the "Stay safe" section until someone can verify the useful information from some obvious jokes. I'll paste the content here:

Yap is known for its ultra safe environment. Guns are illegal and rare and even these are small caliber for bats. Yapese frequently carry machetes out and about. Yapese children frequently carry knives at younger ages and construct toys with the knife. Yapese do tend to drink heavily and also frequent the same nightlife spots as tourists, so be ready to mingle as most Yapese begin to socialize and become even friendlier when they drink.

Yap also practises a rigid caste system creating an additional element of control over would be trouble makers. So, as long as you are culturally sensitive and respectful, you will be able to experience an entire cultural immersion.

The dogs are friendly and Yap is rabies free. Most dogs look homeless but eventually wander home. Avoid contact with other's animals to be safe.

NO NO's: '''Dog is a very dirty word. Puppy is worse. Be careful with these.'''
 * Dog in yap is a dog but when you translate it to Yapese (the native tongue) and call them a dog then it becomes a problem.

Everything is private; it is easy to get permission to visit most beaches, community house and more, just ask first. If you don't know who to ask, ask the first person you see. It is a small island and they may give permission themselves as many people are inter-related.

Some more things to avoid are bragging, yelling, walking between conversing people, stepping over people, short shorts and perfume.
 * When you can't walk around two people conversing, slightly bow, like the japanese do and excuse yourself.

 * Um, at first glance, I don't see any "obvious jokes"...? Eg. small-caliber rifles are used for bat hunting and Yap does have a caste system. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:05, 25 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Really? Who added all the dog info? To me, the part that states "dog" is a dirty word and "puppy" is worse reads like a lame joke. The city's name is "yap", which is the sound that a dog, particularly puppies, makes. If "dog" and "puppy" are really "no no's", then there definitely needs to be an explanation about what they mean in the local language. With that, the children with knives, "don't brag, yell, or walk between conversing people", etc. all began to look fishy to me. If it's all true, then it's rather interesting, but the dog thing in particular needs to be elaborated upon. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 14:37, 25 July 2009 (EDT)

 * The word yap, if your translate it to English become "Wheel". It's not dos yapping :)

Homestays
Is there a consensus for listing homestay agencies here? I don't see any, and the external links policy would tend to go against listing any agencies, so I am deleting such listings for now. Please argue here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:59, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Yarmouth and Digby

Comments
The "and" in the title suggests this is two articles Yarmouth and Acadian Shores. Yarmouth County (Nova Scotia) links to a website that covers both. (WT-en) Huttite 13:10, 6 March 2009 (EST)

 * "Yarmouth & Acadian Shores" is the official name of a new tourism region created in 2008. It encompasses parts of 3 counties and includes the Town of Yarmouth. It takes over former portions of the South Shore and the Evangeline Trail. (WT-en) troutpoint 13:50, 14 March 2009 (EST)

 * The Project:Article naming conventions suggests it is not necessary to adhere strictly to official names. just because some tourism marketers have cobbled together two separate places into a tourist region does not mean we have to use the name they have used in Wikivoyage. More importantly we cannot safely use the & in the name as it causes technical problems. If someone was going to visit the Yarmouth and Acadian Shores region where would they commonly say they were going? If you can answer this question with a name that is not Yarmouth and Acadian Shores then it suggests to me there is a more commom name that can be used. I am suggesting that Yarmouth is a likely answer, meaning the greater Yarmouth area that also includes the Acadian region -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:18, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Yarmouth (Nova Scotia)

Style tag on Eat
I've added style tag under the Eat section because it's just a list of name and phone numbers with no useful descriptions. Really needs someone who knows the area to try and flesh these out a little! (WT-en) Nrms 13:58, 1 March 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Yasawa Islands

I've read External_links but I think Awesome/Yasawa Flyer is an exception. They really are the canonical resource for the Yasawa islands -- basically the public transport agency for that area. It would be like not linking to the train or bus company for a major city. They do provide holiday tours and packages, but this is not being emphasized in this article. The emphasis is on their role as the primary provider of trustworthy transport and bookings for the independant resorts on the Yasawa islands. This is very much like the Amtrak example under 'Links within the article text'

 * I think it's OK, and I'd like to thank you for all the work you've put into this article. However, that huge table of resorts isn't really the way we like to organize info around here -- it really should be reformatted to use the standard 'bullet point' Project:Accommodation listings. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:21, 29 September 2006 (EDT)

Table
That long table of resorts is useful, but we really need to split it up into accommodation listings on the articles for each island. --(WT-en) Evan 13:43, 2 November 2006 (EST)

"Bounty" Island
Does anyone know the proper name for Bounty Island? (WT-en) Butwhatdoiknow 22:45, 22 January 2009 (EST)

title: Talk:Yasawa Islands


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Talk:Yashima

Comments

 * Finished moving content to Yurihonjo. Please remove page. 203.179.254.218 10:14, 5 December 2009 (EST)
 * Never mind. Redirected. 203.179.254.218 10:19, 5 December 2009 (EST)

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Talk:Yasothon

TAT Listings
I moved the listings clutter to Talk:Yasothon/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 12:47, 6 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Yasothon/Listings

See
Phaya Tan Park สวนสาธารณะพญาแถน (Phaya Tan is the God of rain for Isan people. Local rockets will be launched in every May to please Phaya Tan who controls the rain). Located on highway 23 (Chaeng Sanid Rd.) in Muang municipality next to Lamtuan Reservoir, the park is surrounded by winding stream. It comprises beautiful garden, outdoor stage, playground, and health park. Phaya Tan Park is the venue for significant fairs and festivals of the province such as Annual Rocket Festival, Short Boat Racing, and Songkran. '''Wat Maha That. วัดมหาธาตุ''' Located in Muang Municipality, the Buddhist temple is a sacred icon of Yasothon. The ancient temple houses “Phra Buddha Boonyarat” or “Phra Kaeo Yod Nam Kang”, Buddha statue in attitude of meditation in Chiang Saen Art style. King Rama III gave this Buddha image to Yasothon’s first mayor Phra Soonthon Rajawongsa. Attractions in Wat Maha That include With square base, 81 metres wide on each side, the concrete stupa is narrow at the mid with lotus-shape stucco. On the stupa, four arches placing at four directions house standing Buddha images. The peak is decorated with minor leaves at four directions. With double pyramid-shape crowns lying one above another. The art style is similar to Phra That Kong Khao Noi. Annual celebration is held in March. Built in the 18th-20th Century or late Ayuthaya period, the stupa in Khmer style is located in compound of Wat Phra That Kong Khao Noi, which once was an only rice paddy in Tambon Tadthong. Different fro most stupas, the cement stupa is Different from other monuments which are generally concerned with Buddhism, Phra That Kong Khao Noi was built by an ordinary man. A young farmer has been working since dawn. At noon, his mother came late with his lunch. Great hunger and sudden anger to see a tiny amount of rice drove him to kill his mother. When he could not finish all his lunch, he realized his great guilt in making matricide. So, the young farmers built this stupa, wishing for forgiveness and expiate. Moreover, at Ban Tad Thong, the Fine Arts Department has found artifacts of per-historical man, including skeletons and painted pottery in Ban Chiang style. The department is establishing historical park here. '''Ban Thung Nang Oak. บ้านทุ่งนางโอก''' The village is famed for its bamboo basketry for household use and souvenir. The village is located in Amphoe Muang, 8 km from Yasothon City via highway 2169 (Yasothon-Kud Chum Rd.) '''Ban Na Samai. หมู่บ้านนาสะไมย''' Located close to Ban Thung Nang Oak, the village is famed for bamboo basketry and carved miniature cart. '''The old building of Ban Singha Tha. ย่านเมืองเก่าบ้านสิงห์ท่า''' Ban Khum Singha Tha, in Muang municipality, is the old area whose name is found in the city’s history. The area is rich of beautiful old-fashioned buildings which is well preserved, making a nice place to enjoy the cultural rich area.
 * Phra That Yasothon or Phra That Arnon. พระธาตุยโสธร หรือ พระธาตุอานนท์ Located in front of Ubosoth, it is significant ancient stupas of Isan. Housing ashes of Phra Arnon inside, the square base stupa has its head similar to Phra That Phanom. The stupa mirrors Lao art style which was popular from late Ayuthaya period to early Rattanakosin. The city history and a temple record said that the stupa was built around 1778 by Thao Na, Thao Kham Singha, Thao Kham Pha, former officials of Vientiane. By leadership of Phra Wor and Phra Ta, in 1770-1776, they have moved to settle here.
 * Hor Trai or Library for Buddhist scriptures. หอไตร The pavilion is used for keeping Buddhist scriptures. Located mid of the pool, northeast of Phra That. Like most in Isan, the rectangular pavilion has terrace around for housing the Buddhist scriptures chest board, cradles, and shelves from Vientiane. The niche and wooden door are well carved and covered with gold leaves. Its walls are decorated with mixed influence from the central region. It is estimated that the pavilion was built over a century ago under the reign of King Rama IV and V of Rattanakosin.
 * Phra That Kong Khao Noi. พระธาตุก่องข้าวน้อย The stupa is located in the rice paddies of Tambon Tadthong, 9 km from Yasothon City via highway 23 (Yasothon-Ubon Ratchathani Rd.), and a kilometer off the main road at km. 194.

'''Khit Pillow at Ban Sri Than. หมู่บ้านทำหมอนขิตบ้านศรีฐาน''' The village is famed for Khit Pillow, local style pillow with beautiful patterns. The villags is 20 km from Yasothon City via highway 202 (Yasothon-Pa Tiew-Amnart Charoen Rd.), turn right at km 18-19 and keep going for 3 km. After harvest, most villagers earn extra by producing Khit Pillow. Touist can watch the production process and shop around. Khit pillow is quite popular, and demand for Khit pillow spread to overseas. It is now second biggest income after rice farming. '''Phu Tham Phra. ภูถ้ำพระ''' The cave is situated east of Kud Hae Village, tambon Kud Chiang Mee, 12 km from Amphoe Lerng Nok Tha via highway 212 and 85 km from Yasothon City. Housing lots of Buddha statue, the cave Phu Tham Phra is 6 metres wide and 16 metres long. It can be accessed from southern entrance which is a tunnel link to the north face. The shady mountain is blanketed with lush forest. Other caves in the area include Than Keng, Tham Ngu Suang, Tham Kliang, and Tham Prombutr.

'''Big Buddha Image. พระพุทธรูปใหญ่''' Made of brick, the principle Buddha of Wat Song Puey is 3 metres wide and 8 metres high. This sacred image can be dated back to more than 200 years. '''Pagodas containing soil from holy sites of Buddhism. เจดีย์บรรจุดินจากสังเวชนียสถาน''' The old pagoda, more than 200 years old, was renovated in 1955 by Field Marshal Plaek Pibulsongkram. It houses soil from holy site of Buddha, namely the place of birth, enlightenment, the first sermon, and nirvana, brought from India by a Buddhist monk, Khien Ammaphand. '''The replica of Buddha Footprint. รอยพระพุทธบาทจำลอง''' The footprint was built by sponsoring of Field Marshal Plaek Pibulsongkram and his lady. Lots of local people come to bath the footprint During Songkran Festival. '''Antique Museum. พิพิธภัณฑ์ของโบราณ''' The museum features antiques found from Dong Muang Toey, an ancient Khmer town. The antique include stone bed of the mayor, and stone inscription in ancient Khmer letter. '''Dong Muang Toey Ancient town. ซากเมืองโบราณดงเมืองเตย''' The remaining of ancient town Dong Muang Toey is found a kilometre south of Song Puey Village, 7 km from Amphoe Kham Khuen Kaeo. Foundation of temple, pond, and town wall are found. Altough they are ruined, their remaining indicated that it once was settlement in Chenla-Dhavaravadi period or in the 7th Centiry. Chenla King’s inscription indicated that this ancient site is religious place for Shivism. Dong Muang Toey and nearby community, proably satellite town of Chenla Kingdom, was called ‘Sangkha Pura’. Chenla Kingdom developed into Khmer Empire later and extended its territory into Moon and Chee River Basin during such period. '''Ku Chan. กู่จาน''' Located at Ban Ngew, Tambon Ku Chan, 12 km from Amphoe Kham Khuen Kaeo, KuChan is an ancient pagoda similar to Phra That Phanom. Legend says it has been built in the same period to Phra That Phanom in Nakhon Phanom province.

'''Yasothon Buddha Footprint. พระพุทธบาทยโสธร''' Situated in Wat Phra Buddha Bat Yasothon, Ban Nong Yang, Tambon Hua Muang, 6 km from Amphoe Maha Chana Chai, via highway 2083, the Buddha Footprint is placed on white sandy hill. It is considered a sacred antique of the province. An antique found nearby is a two-foot wide laterite Buddha image in the attitude of meditation under naga protection, and a laterite inscription which is a metre high and 50 centimetre wide. An ancient inscription says these three antique were brought from Ayuthaya in the year 835 by two monks, Phra Maha Uta Panya and Phra Sitthi Viharik. The inscription contains also the message honoring Buddha Footprint. However, its letter is very fade now. Lots of Buddhist from nearby area pay homage to the footprint Every March and April. '''Hor Trai, or library of Wat Sra Trinurak. หอไตรวัดสระไตรนุรักษ์''' Hor Trai is located in Wat Sra Trinurak, Ban Na Wiang, Moo 1, Tambon Na Wiang, 25 km from Yasothon City. The ancient pavilion, over a century old, located amidst pond is housing Buddhist scriptures since ancient time. The Burmese-style wooden architecture is 8.30 metre wide and 10.50 metre long, with 4-level metal-sheet roof and long eaves at all sides. The front door is delicately carved.

Golf
Bodin Decha Base’s golf course The 9-hole golf course is located in Bodin Decha Military Base, Chaeng Sanid Rd., Tambon Ban Dirt. For more information, call 0-4573-7451, 0-4573-7458.

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 12:47, 6 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Yazd

Negative review
I removed the following text from the listing for the Silk Road Hotel. Be Careful about Silk Road Hotel in yazd.I was at this place for some days actually there was not safe becouse this hotel at first was a very old house that the owner change it and made hotle.when you sleep there in morning you will see in all of your bed is full of thatch and the walls are broken.if happen very small Earthquake for sure you will Injure.Also this place is not well for women how travelling alone.in yazd  And then from the end of the article. ''If you are going to yazd .dont go to silk road hotel.this hotel is not safe. special is not good for women who travell alone.''

Whilst I have deleted them, I think the comments are sufficiently significant to suggest that the Silk Road Hotel and Orient Hotel may not be the most appropriate places to stay for some people. I am not sure how to work this into the article at present. Nor am I sure that the experience is a one off or sufficiently common to justify a stay safe section, or simply de-listing the establishments concerned.

It could be that in an earthquake prone country, renovated older houses have not been renovated to an appropriate building code, if one even exists. Also, given that Iran is an Islamic state, any woman travelling alone is liable to draw attention to herself from the religeously conservative, and others who are even less desirable, simply because she is alone and not being accompanied by a male companion, as would be customary in parts of the Islamic world. Unfortunately, I have never been to this place so couldn't possibly comment more. - (WT-en) Huttite 03:27, 31 January 2009 (EST)

Just to update on this - I'm currently staying here and can't see any truth to the comments. It's one of the most professionally run guesthouses I've stayed in since travelling through Asia for the past 14 months. I see no evidence of earthquake risk other than the fact that it is made of stuco/mud brick - which is logical, because it's located in the old city, and all the buildings here are in this style.

I see now reason why it would be considered 'unsafe' for solo females. I've met several here who seem quite content. All in all it seems a really lovely place with a very cozy, safe atmosphere.

Given the poor English of the comment, I would not be suprised if it was written by a competing Iranian hotel owner.

Tom, Dec 2011

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Talk:Ybor City

So is this a district of Tampa or it's own destination? (WT-en) Maj 18:06, 27 December 2006 (EST)

 * Maj, I have been there. It is a district in Tampa. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 18:48, 27 December 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Yekaterinburg

When I passed through Yekat about 10 years ago, there was a moderately interesting museum with some spectacular ironwork. Does anyone know enough about it to write a "See" item? I don't. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:38, 23 Sep 2005 (EDT)

To Guide
How close is this article to being a Guide? It looks like a bit more Geo is needed. And should there be a listing for "Mafia Cemetery"? Is it safe for ordinary visitors to go to? Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:45, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * This travel guide fails to introduce constructivism buildings from 1920's, which are by far the main point of interest in the city. In fact, there are no descriptions of individual sights (do you know what's interesting about the "Dam on the Iset river"? and about the "Building of the HQ of Mining plants"?), so this guide is not even usable, and it is as far from reaching Guide status as any other article on any destination in Russia. Some of the cafes are closed or renamed, as far as I can remember from my last stay in Yekaterinburg in September. The flight information is completely outdated.
 * Regarding the "mafia cemetery", you can see such monuments on nearly every cemetery in a big Russian city, so it was either a bad joke or a highly non-educated way of seeing the city.
 * By the way, the Russian article has tons of useful information about Yekaterinburg, even if that article is not in a very good shape and remains on my to-do list for improving. --Alexander (talk) 14:11, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't read Russian, so I won't be able to help in translating that information. Thank you very much for addressing the quality of this article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:19, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't read most of the languages spoken on the planet, but it does not prevent me from taking information from Wikipedia's in all possible languages, including, for example, Armenian with its totally incomprehensible characters. I really don't see any problem here. Google Translate is good enough for understanding the content, and the rest is your own creativity anyway. --Alexander (talk) 14:26, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * You have a point, but I'd still rather someone with more familiarity with the city or the history of Constructivism or some Russian knowledge did the work, while I concentrate on other things. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:39, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Flawed editing and inappropriate locking
The article has been locked from editing by an administrator so as to prevent his flawed edit being corrected. He has not entered a conversion on any talk page about either the lock or the edits. This relates to the following edit:

The use of Southeast Asia is correct rather than southeast Asia according to:
 * Common use. (South East Asia is also common, but outside this discussion)
 * Wikivoyage’s own use, see
 * The OED (the definitive English dictionary), see

The flawed edit (southeast Asia) was made with an edit summary referencing Wikivoyge’s guidelines on the use of capital letters. However, this guideline supports the use of Southeast Asia: ‘They are capitalized only when they form part of a proper name, such as Northwest Territories or South Korea.’

Comments and questions:
 * The article should use the recognised use of S not s.
 * Why is an administrator abusing his ability to lock an article to force the incorrect use of capitals?
 * Why does an administrator lock a page without entering into discussion with other editors, and with one who explained the valid reason for his edit?
 * This edit violates WV:Capitalization. The correction was explained, and you chose to edit war. It's the report. Ibaman (talk) 01:40, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You did not explain. You simply provided a link to a policy which demonstrates your edit (Lower case s) violates the policy, see earlier comments. However, to summarise the policy states a capital letter is used as part of a proper name, and this is Southeast Asia according to both Wikivoyage and the OED.
 * You know, your rhetoric, and your insistence on enforcing British spelling all over, read really familiar, and smell of block evasion. Ibaman (talk) 01:46, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I do not understand your recent comment. It appears to be a straw man argument. Please keep to the topic, which is about the use of Southeast Asia.
 * ✅. Argue on Wikivoyage talk:Capitalization if you like. Ibaman (talk) 01:55, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Banner
The original file of the new one is a featured picture on Commons today. --- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:57, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

 * They look equally good to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:39, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * IMO a banner of Yekaterinburg should include the City Pond. Banner 1 doesn't. Regards --A.Savin (talk) 14:33, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I would defer to you on this. Thanks for giving your opinion! Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:46, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Yelagiri

help
How do you include pictures? I finally visited the place and it is great. I have some pictures I'd like to put up (WT-en) Rockypg 01:45, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

I left you a message on your talk page – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 02:45, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Yelagiri Hills

This article seems to be a duplicate. There is another one here, which is much more detailed: http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Yelagiri

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Talk:Yellow fever

Consider posting this information at appropriate places in Wikivoyage
YELLOW FEVER - COUNTRIES WITH DENGUE: ALERT http://www.promedmail.org/post/4123983 #YFASIA. Re-emphasize the importance of YF vaccination.  Jtamad (talk) 03:39, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * We have an article about dengue fever and infectious diseases. K7L (talk) 07:59, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * And yellow fever. And, if needed, country and destination articles. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:08, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately those are rarely linked to - I only found them by using the search and then added links to pages I was working on anyway. Jlg23 (talk) 02:40, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

can we get more up to date information?
There is a list that talks about vaccination needs as of 2006. Are there better more recent lists out there than decade old data? Hobbitschuster (talk) 07:42, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I've updated the tables. The maps are still out of date, but I think only mildly so. More up-to-date maps are available here, and the most conspicuous differences I notice are that yellow fever now exists in parts of Zambia and Eritrea and has expanded somewhat in southern Brazil. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:22, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Is there a wikivoyage page on the plague (the disease)
I'm creating a page on the current outbreak in Madagascar

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Talk:Yellowsprings

This page is improperly named; the correct name of the village is "Yellow Springs" rather than "Yellowsprings". This page needs to be renamed or 'moved' (a la Wikipedia). If this requires an administrator, please do so. If I can make the name change myself please let me know how. Thanks. (WT-en) Planxty 20:14, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
 * You can make the change yourself. Probably easier to edit the current redirection page and make it the main page, and make the current page redirect to the new page. Check what links to the article, and fix that up too.  If you do want to move the page, you can do that too. --(WT-en) Inas 20:43, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Yellowstone National Park

Photos
This article could really use a few good photos -- my Yellowstone pictures are all pretty lousy, and there doesn't seem to be much available from nps.gov. If anyone out there has a few good shots of Old Faithful, Mammoth Hot Springs, the animals, or anything else that captures what Yellowstone is all about then they're very much needed. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 04:35, 19 Jun 2005 (EDT)

I just got back from Yellowstone last week. It was amazing and fabulous. We were able to participate in three ranger-led tours, so I feel up to date with our information. I can improve on the captions of two photos:

Current caption: The calcite terraces at Mammoth Hot Springs. These springs flourished with water until the late 1970s, but are currently dry.

Better caption: The calcite terraces at Mammoth Hot Springs. The activity of the springs changes from day to day, with some drying up for a time while others become active.

Current caption: Lone Star geyser erupting, Check at Old Faithful Visitor Center for times

Better caption: Lone Star geyser erupting. The Old Faithful Visitor Center predicts times for eruptions of several large geysers, but this list changes from time to time.

The park service does provide over 13,000 digital photos that are free for any use. http://www.nps.gov/archive/yell/slidefile/index.htm --(WT-en) Donnamanley 17:14, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

 * Adding a few of my photos now, to kick it up a notch. (WT-en) WineCountryInn 14:59, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

NPS has an extensive archive of many photos of the Park, only part of which is thermal features. I'm pretty sure they're usable on here without copyright problems.

What to see?
I wonder if the Yellowstone article See: section should be divided into regions, because there are just so many things to see in the park, and there is such a variety of things to see.

I'm actually having a similar problem with the Grand Teton National Park article, in that it's hard to define what to see. I don't think Grand Teton is quite diverse enough to split into regions, but Yellowstone certainly could be explained that way.

Alternatively, Yellowstone could be organized by types of sights: geysers, hot springs, waterfalls, etc. -- (WT-en) Mikito 20:06, 19 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * From an organizational standpoint it seems best to group things by location, so I took a stab at it using info from http://www.nps.gov/yell/planvisit/areaplanners/index.htm. Edit away if you've got different ideas.  If things get too out of hand we can break the article into districts, but at the moment it seems manageable. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 02:04, 20 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * I just added some info following your setup. The way you have it arranged by area (Mammoth, Norris, etc.) is pretty much the same as how I would have done it. -- Mikito 67.1.96.220 10:35, 20 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Old Faithful
Hi Mikito. Great work thus far on this article. One point of confusion though is the statement "As of June 2005, Old Faithful was erupting every 92 minutes 90% of the time and every 62 minutes the other 10% of the time". As it is currently written it sounds like the geyser either erupts exactly each 62 minutes or else exactly each 92 minutes, rather than between 62 and 92 minutes, with an average interval of 90 minutes. See http://www.nps.gov/yell/tours/oldfaithful/oldfaith.htm for one of many sets of (differing) statistics on eruption frequency. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 20:49, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * OK, I was paraphrasing from what a ranger said during my visit. The ranger went on to say that their forecasts give about 10 minutes of leeway on each side of the forecast. He jokingly excused this by saying that they try to be "accurate but not precise". -- (WT-en) Mikito 20:53, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * I've just changed it again to say that "as of June 2005, Old Faithful had an average eruption cycle of about 91 minutes". -- (WT-en) Mikito 21:02, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * I forgot to mention that the ranger said that Old Faithful was very strange for a geyser, in that it erupts every 92 minutes (give or take 10 minutes) 90% of the time, and every 62 minutes (give or take 10 minutes) the other 10% of the time, with almost no variation in between. Given that amount of leeway, I can see how they can claim to make accurate predictions. Even so, I think it is odd for a geyser to have two such well-defined intervals for eruptions rather than a continuous spectrum of timings. -- (WT-en) Mikito 21:12, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * The "give or take 10 minutes" info makes the wording much, much clearer so I've added your statement above (nearly verbatim) back into the article. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 04:16, 28 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * As it stands, the current wording is fine with me. I wanted to get across two main ideas: 1) that Old Faithful doesn't run exactly like clockwork, and 2) that Old Faithful has not one but two ranges of eruption timings, which is quite unusual. -- (WT-en) Mikito 11:26, 28 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * Rigorously speaking, it isn't correct that it "erupts every 92 minutes (give or take 10 minutes)" but rather that the time of the next eruption can be predicted to within about 10 minutes, if the duration of the previous eruption is known. The actual variation in interval from eruption to eruption is somewhat longer than "give or take 10 minutes."  See this reference for details.  Probably not worth changing at this point, unless there begin to be complaints about misinformation.  (Incidentally, I've added some stuff on other "predictable" geysers.) -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:36, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Nomination to star?
What do you think? Keep smiling, (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 21:02, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

 * Typically "star" articles are those that the community feels can compete with any other travel guide's article; the text has to be good, the listings have to be complete, etc. At a minimum this article needs a Wikivoyage-style map, the article needs some re-organization to be more readable and better indicate what the regions of the park are, etc.  See Project:Star articles and Project:Article status for further details. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:54, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Alright, just a thought. Keep smiling, (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 21:57, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
 * There is now a Wikivoyage-style map, etc., on this Wikivoyage article. I think it could now be a star article. What do you think? Selfie City (talk) 03:05, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Map
This article is lacking a good map - if any of Wikivoyage's map gurus have free time, NPS has several public domain map sources at. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:31, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

Airports
I need to rework the airports section a little with some suggestions for getting there from larger airports. Hope this will be okay if I chop up the current layout a little.Lumpytrout (talk) 19:50, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Please chop away - any formatting issues can be easily fixed later. -- Ryan • (talk) • 20:13, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article?
I created a new alternative banner for this article (I initially created it first and foremost so that it would be used at the top of the parallel article in the Hebrew edition of Wikivoyage, yet I later decided to also suggest that the English Wikivoyage community would consider using it here as well). So, which banner do you prefer having at the top of this article? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 05:29, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * I prefer the current banner, which has a wonderful composition. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:36, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * The new suggestion is a good banner, but I do prefer the current for its better composition. Danapit (talk) 14:40, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * I actually prefer the proposed banner. The current one makes me think of any gorge in the West, while the proposed banner shows something more uniquely Yellowstone. PerryPlanet (talk) 22:22, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Alternative. The current one is nice but it could be anywhere. Syced (talk) 07:29, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Dynamic map
This guide would benefit from a dynamic map somewhere in See section, to show positions of all the listings. Is it possible to have both static and dynamic maps within one article? Danapit (talk) 22:54, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Get in by train/ bus
I know that Wyoming is one of the four states that sees no Amtrak service of any kind (which imho should be mentioned) but maybe there is at least a token bus service from a place within a couple hundred miles served by a train? Furthermore, there seem to be bus services within the park? Is it possible to get there with a bus as well? Currently, Yellowstone is negatively mentioned as a place difficult to get to in our USA without a car article Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:46, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Substitute one image for another?
I didn't want to plunge forward on this without discussion.

The first is the current image, with caption, and the second is the image I propose to insert, with a less poetic caption:

I think the second image is better, but I'll leave it up to you whether it should replace the first image, be put somewhere else in the article, or be left out of the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:20, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

 * So nu, no interest? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:18, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Sure, the second image is much better and I'd replace it. No need for having both, they are too similar. Danapit (talk) 08:56, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

 * OK, thanks, Dana. If anyone disagrees, the other image is still here for possible use. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:06, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Nomination to star 2018?
About ten years ago, it was considered whether or not this should be turned into a star article, but it did not meet the star article requirements at the time. What about now? Selfie City (talk) 02:51, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Star nomination
This is a long article, with plenty of information and a static map. I think the article actually needs to be shortened a little, and some listings need coordinates, but it’s still a good article and worth nominating for star. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 14:30, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

 * Like Indianapolis, Yellowstone is a former DotM candidate that got thrown on the Slush Pile, so the discussion there should give a good indication of what needs to be fixed. (That was a while ago, though, so the situation may have improved in the intervening time.) -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:36, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

 * The issues there seem to line up pretty well with what I think. The number of listings is overwhelming and coordinates are needed for some listings. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 14:43, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

 * My vote would be needs work, although I'd have to mention that since June 2012 around the time of the failed DOTM nomination, this article has increased by almost 20,000 bytes. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 21:42, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

 * So should we slush for now? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 18:25, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Will now slush; no one has come out in support of this nomination. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 01:58, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Result: slush. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 01:59, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Ready to feature?
Is this article ready for Dotm? Or is anything missing? /Yvwv (talk) 12:18, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

 * It was slushed in 2012 and recently failed a star nomination. I'm going to have to say, not a whole lot has changed since and wouldn't support a feature until the Avoid long lists issue is fixed. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 12:24, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Yemen

"Learn" Section
This section is a mess: The second paragraph contradicts the first. Someone who knows which paragraph is more accurate should edit this section. Michael 19:37, 15 February 2008 (EST)

Alternative banner for this article?
I created a new alternative banner for this article (I initially created it first and foremost so that it would be used at the top of the parallel article in the Hebrew edition of Wikivoyage, yet I later decided to also suggest that the English Wikivoyage community would consider using it here as well). So, which banner do you prefer having at the top of this article? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 05:02, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

 * The new banner is clearer when clicked to zoom in, but I like the composition of the existing banner better, so that rules the day for me. Besides, let's all hope these buildings are still standing when peace finally breaks out in Yemen. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:46, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

 * I prefer the current one, for colours and composition. JuliasTravels (talk) 13:07, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Danapit (talk) 18:58, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:40, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Biased again as original creator, but I think the first one is more panoramic while the second is just another encyclopaedic image. James A ▪ talk 10:01, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * First one is too blurry, so second. A non-blurry version of the first would win. Syced (talk) 10:35, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

 * Actually, can we go for the alternative banner after all?
 * The existing banner has been stretched from its lower resolution source, making it look particularly bad on a high definition screen. Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:05, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I see your point, but no, I think we can't, and this is like arguing about a new banner for Aleppo at this time. Poor Yemen is a victim of a brutal civil war and reportedly indiscriminate bombing by Saudi Arabia. It seems to me, the least we can do is wait to see what the country looks like when the war is finally over, and have discussions about banners on other articles, rather than this one. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:47, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Warning
In the Warning, we tell readers that "Most Western governments advise against all travel to Yemen because of the threat to life and destruction from war and terrorist activities."

What more information are we providing travellers by adding, "Put simply, avoid travel to Yemen unless absolutely necessary."

Doesn't this just repeat the advice provided by "most Western governments"? But instead of having the authority of governments, it is just advice from a bunch of people on the internet. I don't think this repetition makes the article better. Ground Zero (talk) 06:00, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

 * I was just making it absolutely clear; if you don't want that text there, you can remove it. We just don't want a traveler who says they "want to Yemen and...", you know. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 14:26, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I think that the "Western governments" warning is clearer and more authoritative because of who said it, and because it lists specific reasons. Ground Zero (talk) 19:10, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Proposed currency, time formatting and spelling conventions
Below is a proposed infobox to let readers know which formatting conventions to use in Wikivoyage articles. Do you agree with these proposals? If you have direct knowledge of what is most commonly used in the country, please let us know. Ground Zero (talk) 14:04, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * As there have been no comments, I've implemented the proposed box. Ground Zero (talk) 06:49, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion: Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 12:25, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Haneeth.jpg

Red Sea Islands
The page Red Sea Islands is hollow and I suggest redirecting it either into Yemen, or to the disambiguation. Quite apart from the terrible troubles of that country, the islands are actively volcanic, as the banner pic shows. There is even a case for deletion: someone typing "Red Sea Islands" probably doesn't expect to land in Yemen, but is looking for the quieter places further north. Grahamsands (talk) 12:43, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

 * What disambiguation? Is there one? If there isn't and you'd like to create one that covers all islands in the Red Sea, go for it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:49, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

 * I redirected to Yemen and added a line to the Red Sea disambiguation. Grahamsands (talk) 08:19, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

title: Talk:Yemen