text:
Talk:New York

Why does London go straight to London and New York goes to this? Can´t New York state be linked to at the top of the New York page? Similarly, I think far more people are interested in Buenos Aires the city rather than Buenos Aires province. Are they simply not as major as London? London Ontario is pretty cool too. . . —The preceding comment was added by 200.32.92.112 (talk • contribs)

 * Take a look at Project:Disambiguation pages which should explain our thinking on places with the same name... these things usually involved a lot of debating, so feel free to disagree and argue for a change! I think the general consensus on New York city/state was that it was more vague to international travellers than the London/London issue (for example, I had no idea there was another London until I moved to Montreal!) Try to keep in mind that it's not a coolness factor, or even size, but trying to imagine all the different travellers coming from all over the world (see the Hyderabad discussion for another example-- how many people from London Ont. spend much time thinking about Hyderabad Pakistan ;-)). Hope this helps.
 * See also Talk:New York (city) (WT-en) Majnoona 14:51, 10 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * We direct Mexico to the country, not to Mexico state or Mexico City. Same with Quebec vs. Quebec City and Kansas vs. Kansas City (although the latter is partially in Missouri). If the rest of these "New York" entities are part of New York State, the larger geographic entity should be the main listing. K7L (talk) 14:20, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

 * In colloquial language (which would be reflected in likely search terms), unqualified "New York" means the city far more often than the state. The status quo is the best solution, but if New York absolutely can't be a disambiguation page, then it should be for the city. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:35, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I agree with AndreCarrotflower. There are other examples where a city and a larger region share a name but the region is not the main article, such as Rio de Janeiro (part of Rio de Janeiro (state)) and Valencia (part of both Valencia (province) and Valencia (region)). Off the top of my head I don't know of any other examples where the main title is a disambiguation page, but I think it's probably the best solution for New York. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:48, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I do, too. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:41, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

title: Talk:New York


text:
Talk:New York (city)/Get Around

Copied from current page. I'm going to rewrite to try and make some sense of the following. -- (WT-en) Chris j wood 13:38, 26 Jul 2004 (EDT)

Get Around
Understanding New York is understanding how to get around. NYC has the greatest transit system in the world running 24 hours a day - But not every line runs 24 hours or on weekends.

There are a variety of options for purchasing rides on NYC mass transit. A Metrocard can be purchased from either the machine or manned booth at each Subway station using cash, ATM or credit cards. Various discount packages include Daily, Weekly and Monthly passes as well as fixed dollar amounts. See the MTA Fare link below. The Staten Island Ferry is free. Single ride metrocards have free transfers, including between subways and buses. MTA Commuter lines now have a weekend pass deal for less frequent service for the few stops inside the city.

 * Subway Map

NYC Subway, Bus and Nassau County Long Island Bus
AND Some other NYC private bus companies - All use metrocard and and all have free transfers - but check for conditions.

SUBWAY ROUTES CHANGE  Feb, 22 2004 CHECK A CURRENT MAP The completed repair of the lower East River Bridges between Brooklyn and Manhattan has changed service all around the system. Make sure your information is current. See MTA MAPS Below

Commuter railroads and buses
Suburbs and some other places New York, New Jersey and Connecticut plus a few places in Pennsylvania. Many different systems, including MTA rail commuter branches. Will cover New Jersey, Long Island (Nassau and Suffolk), New York counties of Westchester, Rockland, Orange, Putnam, Dutchess and Connecticut. PATH gets you across the river to New Jersey in a small subway system. Commuter. Major terminals are Grand Central, Penn Station, and the Port Authority Bus Terminal plus the World Trade Center stop for the PATH system southern river crossing to New Jersey. All are on the Subway.

Bus+Subway to other systems terminals

MTA Subway and bus service and maps

MTA MAPS

 * Long Island Rail Road - Nassau and Suffolk County, Commuter service to NYC.
 * Long Island Bus - Nassau County and connecting service to Queens only.
 * Metro North - Northern commuters all over the place -see map at MTA Web site

MTA Main Page MTA fares

 * Airports, Path subway system, some ferries, JFK Airtrain, Port Authority Bus Terminal Port Authority info

Taxi
Real NYC taxis are yellow, have a metal seal on the hood ("medallion"), a light with a taxi number on the roof, a meter for billing, stickers on the windshield for various licenses, special taxi license plates, and a divider in the car. Start off rate is $2.30 now (2004).

At the airport or any of the bus or train terminals, use the dispatcher line, and don't get into anything else. Airport trips are flat fare and expensive compared to taking mass transit-which is terrible from the airports, even with the airtrain at JFK. Info on fares, flat fares, group rides and rules at: http://www.nyc.gov/html/tlc/html/passenger/taxicab_rate.shtml

Any other type of car ("Livery or Black Car") may only be called by phone, for a trip and are flat rate - no meter! Ask for the fare ahead of time. They are not allowed to cruise the street or airports for fares.

For all cabs, you pay the tolls for bridges and highways, even if the cab has an EZ-PASS to use the express toll lane. Outside the city, other than flat fare destinations, meter rates are doubled.

Remember to tip. NYC custom is 15 to 20%-- Don't be a cheapskate.

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: Talk:New York (city)/Get Around


text:
Talk:New York (city)/Manhattan/Harlem

MoBay Uptown, 17 West 125th Street. Hottest restaurant in Harlem. New place, clean, gorgeous, tasty cuisine and live music. The have some of the only wood burning smokers in all of Manhattan and the only ones in Harlem. The Barbecue is the best in the city and they have great live music. Go try it for yourself www.mobayrestaurant.com. See you there. For tour groups call Sheron Barnes at 917 496-3111.

This article should be merged with New York (city)/Harlem. Since I don't know how to do that, I am deleting irrelevant information for the time being. Grant's Tomb and the Audubon Ballroom are in neighborhoods other than Harlem. I will cut and paste the information to the appropriate neighborhood (district) pages.

Michael 00:21, 28 Apr 2006 (UTC)

I have moved all the relevant information to New York (city)/Harlem and put in a redirect link. No reason to have two competing pages about Harlem.

Michael 05:13, 01 May 2006 (UTC)

title: Talk:New York (city)/Manhattan/Harlem


text:
Talk:New York (city)/Morningside Heights

Boundaries of this neighborhood
Shouldn't places south of 110 St. be listed under the Upper West Side entry? I will wait a while for response, but reserve the right to move such listings if no response is forthcoming. (By the way, when I was growing up on 97 St., I always considered Morningside Heights a subsection of the Upper West Side, anyway.)

Michael 10:57 01 Sept 2007 (UTC)
 * The area between 96th and 110th is not usually considered to be a part of the UWS. Historically, it is divided into Bloomingdale (a mixed neighborhood with Riverside Drive and WE Ave. but the more ethnically diverse Broadway included) and the working class neighborhood of Manhattan Valley. My feeling is that, rather than listing all the microcosms that form Manhattan, it makes more sense to include the area north of 100th in Morningside and the area south of 100th in the UWS. These days, Morningside Heights stretches informally down to 103rd street on Broadway (though not on Amsterdam or Columbus!) anyway. No UWS resident would include, say, Indus Valley or Turquaz, in his/her neighborhood!--(WT-en) Wandering 20:49, 1 September 2007 (EDT)


text:
Talk:New York (city)/United Nations

I originally reverted the anon addition, but now I'll ask here: Does this really warrant its own article? Sure, it's an interesting destination, but I'd hardly call it a destination.

And is the flag shop in the basement of the Secretariat still there? (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:18, 16 May 2005 (EDT)

 * Bump. (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:15, 24 May 2005 (EDT)

 * Bump bump. I think you're right; I moved the article to New York (city)/Manhattan/Midtown, and I'll see about unlinking it. --(WT-en) Evan 21:37, 24 May 2005 (EDT)

 * OK, I'll respect these changes for the moment, though the matter hasn't really been discussed properly.... Personally, I believe that the UN headquarters is its own destination within New York, not officially part of the city or of the host country - it is very definitely international territory and therefore an entity in its own right.... There is also enough happening there and available to see, to deserve its own discrete article. But we'll see what other think in the fulness of time! (WT-en) Pjamescowie 04:59, 25 May 2005 (EDT)

 * Does it pass the "do you sleep there?" test? I'm not sure that the "relax room" counts.  Most of my UN colleagues wind up staying in hotels. -- (WT-en) Mark 05:40, 25 May 2005 (EDT)

 * Well, no it doesn't pass that particular test.... But then I'm sure there must be lots of travel 'destinations' (within other Destinations) in which you wouldn't / couldn't / shouldn't Sleep either.... I suppose this gets at the heart of "what else" might constitute the potental basis for an article within Wikivoyage: a prime area for debate! As an example, I can foresee that we'll eventually get to the point where we might want to have separate articles about several mega-museums or temple sites - the Louvre in Paris, for example, or the Egyptian Museum in Cairo, or the Temple of Karnak in Luxor - stemming from within their respective City / District articles. You can't Sleep in any of these places either BUT they each form a major "destination" in their own right; admittedly, within other, larger Destinations.... Each could easily have a large, discrete article devoted to them, providing a guide, a commentary, maps, images, tips on how best / what to See, where best to Eat / Drink, Stay Safe, Cope, Get In / Out, etc. etc. The same goes for the United Nations Headquarters in NYC, except that it really is its own destination within another destination, i.e. it is International Territory within a Large City. My argument is that the UN in NYC could / should be dealt with at least as a separate city district within that Large City.... Yes, keep the listing within Midtown, but also provide a prime link useful, detailed article that goes into greater detail, such as you might not care to include on an "ordinary" district article. There is certainly enough to talk about, with regard to what one can See, Buy, Do there and so on in the UN Headquarters - even if you can't Sleep there (and Mark, I'm sure that there are several of your UN colleagues who might even be prepared to admit that they've slept through a few UN sessions - if only unofficially! LOL!) Well, that's my tuppence's worth... At least we're actually debating this now - always a positive development! (WT-en) Pjamescowie 07:59, 25 May 2005 (EDT)

title: Talk:New York (city)/United Nations


text:
Talk:New York (state)

Destination article statuses
I wanted to upgrade this article to Usable (in fact, it's close to a Guide in content, I think), but was stymied by the requirement that the "most important" linked destinations be at least Usable as well. Taking a page from Peter Fitzgerald's book, I'm going to record here the status of this article's subregions and linked destinations. Hopefully we can use this record to get the Outlines up to Usable.

Catskills, Hudson Valley, Capital District
I'm not sure which thread to use, so I'll just make yet another one ;) I think these are the subjects of debate in the hierarchy as we currently have it. I'd happily see the Catskills article limited to the area in the blue line. I also think it would make plenty of sense to divide the current Hudson Valley article into two: Hudson Valley and Capital District, as per the NY State tourism bureau . Someone above referred roughly to the inherent weirdness of grouping NYC suburbs with Saratoga Springs and Glens Falls, and I agree with the objection. --Peter Talk 01:44, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I still think 11 regions is too many (even 10 is pushing it), and I fear the proposed Hudson Valley region would be too sparse, though I could be proven wrong on that latter point. If the Capital District is that important to split off from the rest of the Valley (though why, I don't know), then I'd rather see the Catskills and the mid-Hudson grouped into one region.  LtPowers (talk) 01:53, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you think 11 regions is too many. It's a big, diverse state! I was actually under the impression that we have been moving away from having lots of levels of hierarchy, and towards trying to flatten things out when possible—that does mean a larger number of regions at any given point in the hierarchy, but it also means less navigation is required, and fewer outline region articles. The Catskills are not part of the Hudson Valley, so I don't see why that grouping would be advantageous. --Peter Talk 02:09, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I basically agree with Peter - geographically and culturally, it makes sense to divide the Capital District from the Hudson Valley, and the Catskills are obviously not in a valley. But how well that will work out really depends how much we get content contributed by really knowledgeable people. The Capital District is important mainly because of the state capital but also because of SUNY-Albany and other area colleges (Rensselaer Polytech, etc.), so there is a use to providing separate information about places to eat, drink, shop, and experience culture in the area, which is not at all close to Newburgh or Poughkeepsie. I doubt we have to worry about there not being enough content in Hudson Valley, considering the great contributions of Daniel Case. Catskills has a good start, too, though there are some red links in it. So I'd vote to go ahead and give it a try. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:20, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Well for one, the Catskills as defined by the blue line is way too small to be a top-level region; it's smaller than Steuben County. So dividing the entire area between the Adirondacks and New York City into the Upper Hudson and the Mid Hudson seemed to make sense.  As for the number of regions, 7+/-2 is a good rule, and I know I have trouble wrapping my head around 10 regions, let alone 11.  Even California only has 10 regions.  Texas only has seven.  Florida would have twelve, but we grouped them into 4 superregions because 12 is too many.  LtPowers (talk) 02:27, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ikan, obviously the Catskills aren't in a valley; if we grouped them together, we wouldn't call it the Hudson Valley. (Not least because if we split off the Capital District, it's part of the valley too.)  LtPowers (talk) 02:28, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The part of Westchester County on the river is also part of the Hudson Valley but not treated as such, and I think that people in New York are probably more likely to think of Tarrytown as part of the Hudson Valley than Albany, so I don't see an issue there. I haven't checked out the region discussions regarding California, Florida, or Texas, but I don't think we should be wedded to any particular number of regions, only what's most useful to the traveler. If you'd like to group them into superregions, that's OK, but I don't see a really good reason to put the Catskills in with the Hudson Valley. What would be the reason? Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:54, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Repeating myself, "Well for one, the Catskills as defined by the blue line is way too small to be a top-level region; it's smaller than Steuben County. So dividing the entire area between the Adirondacks and New York City into the Upper Hudson and the Mid Hudson seemed to make sense."  LtPowers (talk) 13:08, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so I wanted to illustrate what I'm talking about since we seem to be talking past each other a bit:

So the problems with option #2 are that the Catskills region (in green) is way too small, and it leaves the bulk of Delaware and Sullivan Counties (in gray) without obvious regions. #3 is my proposed alternative, if grouping the upper and middle Hudson valley areas isn't acceptable for some reason. But it doesn't seem right, either, due to the actual Catskill Mountains intervening between the Delaware and Hudson valleys. I also don't think it makes for a good balance size- and content-wise between the two regions.

In other news, I can't count. We currently have nine regions, not ten.

-- LtPowers (talk) 19:17, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

 * # 3 looks pretty good to me. --Peter Talk 08:26, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Previously, though, you said "The Catskills are not part of the Hudson Valley, so I don't see why that grouping would be advantageous." LtPowers (talk) 13:31, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Your illustration convinced me that this is the most practical way to sort this out. The area surrounding the Catskills proper is kind of an oddball chunk of the state to deal with, but doesn't really belong in the Catskills article, which I think should be limited to what's inside the Blue Line. So tossing it into an amalgamation article like Mid-Hudson–Catskills solves some otherwise lingering problems. --Peter Talk 05:55, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm, okay. My remaining concern, though, would be the disparity in size between the Capital Region and the Mid-Hudson/Catskills region.  (Or Hudson/Delaware/Catskills?)  Granted that the capital region is fairly urban, with Albany, Troy, Schenectady, and Saratoga Springs, but it's considerably smaller in scope than the Central and Finger Lakes regions.
 * One other option would be to keep the current division but move the vertical divide between Hudson Valley (on the right) and Catskills (on the left) to the west, to allow valley communities below the Catskill slopes to be included in the Hudson Valley region. We'd also move Orange County from Catskills to Hudson Valley.  I didn't draw that one up because I wasn't sure exactly where the line would go (even though I've asked at least twice in previous discussions).  LtPowers (talk) 13:47, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, and if we go with #3, we'd have to figure out how to subdivide the Mid-Hudson article. LtPowers (talk) 13:52, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I'm starting to come around to making the Capital District a separate thing. It's a well-known (if not well-defined) region and people will be looking for it. (To be fair, even under our current divisions, we could have made it a subregion of the Hudson Valley.) I'm still a bit troubled by the sheer size of the Delaware-Catskills-Hudson region, as well as the impossibility of properly naming it, so I welcome any input there. I was also thinking that if we split off the Capital District, maybe we should move Montgomery and Schoharie Counties into it, from Central. I think Amsterdam and Cobleskill likely identify more with Albany than with Syracuse or even Utica. That would make Central a bit less sprawling and beef up the geographically tiny Capital District a bit. Thoughts? LtPowers (talk) 17:23, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added an example of what I mean as #4 above. It's starting to grow on me; the part I'm not sure about is if Orange and Putnam fit well into the NY Metro article.  LtPowers (talk) 17:34, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I like #4 as well, but think Orange and Putnam really belong in the Mid-Hudson grouping. --Peter Talk 21:26, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I just think that grouping is too vast compared with the other regions. LtPowers (talk) 22:55, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * If we decide to combine the Catskills with the Hudson Valley, I prefer #3 better to #4, because I consider Orange and Putnam Counties more exurban than suburban. I don't have strong opinions about what counties should be in the Capital Region. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:10, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * While the Catskills–Mid-Hudson region looks big, the whole of the Catskills territory will be covered basically in just one region/OD link. It's not like Orange and Putnam are super travel dense regions that will throw off the balance of content! --Peter Talk 03:16, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You may be right, but it's hard to tell without actually making the change. If we do use that grouping, what would we call it?  Mid-Hudson seems absurd for areas near the Delaware River and on the other side of the Catskills from the Hudson.  Also, do you still think the Catskills region should be kept to the area within the Blue Line (shown in #2 above)?  The Catskills are as much a conceptual resort area and geographic formation as they are an administrative boundary, if not more so.  LtPowers (talk) 12:56, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * We could call it "Hudson Valley and Catskills." Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:02, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

As a resident of the disputed :-) territory, I have been asked to get my head out of my recent trip to Shanghai and Hong Kong for Wikimania long enough to formulate some thoughts about this and share them. So, here they are:

 * I like #3 the best as it allows for a realistic combination of the Hudson Valley and Catskill regions that no one here would disagree with. Using the Blue Line to treat the Catskills as a separate region is one of those well-intentioned ideas that would not comport with the facts on the ground. While it works for the Adirondacks as the region and the park are more or less coterminous, the Catskill Mountains themselves continue well west of the park, and many of the attractions commonly associated with the word "Catskills"—the summer bungalow colonies and some of the fly-fishing waters like the West Branch of the Delaware, for instance—are well outside it. I also think you can put Montgomery and Schoharie counties into the Capital District for no other reason than to make it larger vis-a-vis its neighbors; your intuition that they probably are closer to Albany culturally than Syracuse or Utica is, to me, correct. Daniel Case (talk) 05:30, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It's reassuring to hear that bit about the Catskills extending west of the blue line, because that makes the county-based grouping seem less arbitrary. A synthesis of #3 & #4 using the larger versions of both "Hudson Valley and Catskills" and "Capital District" is looking like the right solution to this old problem! --Peter Talk 06:43, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The rejiggering has been completed. I left Catskills alone, moving it to be a subregion of Mid-Hudson and Catskills.  That article is the former "Hudson Valley" article, with the very small amount (really, almost nothing) of Capital District stuff excised.  Capital District is all-new, with just the county descriptions copied in; it needs content badly, as it has none!  LtPowers (talk) 01:48, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Banner
Is it just me, or does [//en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=New_York_%28state%29&diff=next&oldid=2305867 the current banner image] seem hazy and smoggy to anyone else? LtPowers (talk) 14:34, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

 * It's definitely not just you. The banner doesn't present New York in a good light. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 14:39, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

 * I agree. It's very dark and has insufficient contrast. We should look for a better photo for a banner. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:13, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Whatever became of the effort to promote this article from outline to something higher?
I guess the title says it all. Seeing our recent success over at Germany or even the USA themselves, I have to wonder, what is still missing for this guide to become usable or guide. Best wishes Hobbitschuster (talk) 11:15, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * User:LtPowers appears to be maintaining a list at the top of this page,, which lists what's left to do to get this page to 'usable'. K7L (talk) 11:50, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The only thing missing for Usable status at the moment is an upgrade to Adirondacks. Powers (talk) 19:38, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Newsday article on New York sights
Leaving this here for future reference -- items we may want to make sure are included in the See section. Powers (talk) 15:43, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Buffalo, home of the Bills?
Re: ''Buffalo — the largest city in upstate New York, home of the Buffalo Bills, the Buffalo Sabres... and the Buffalo wing''

The Sabres do indeed play in Buffalo, but the Bills play in Orchard Park. Is that considered part of Buffalo by people in the area, or do they recognize that it's not? We in New York City don't pretend that the Meadowlands are in New York City, so New York is home to the Yankees, the Mets, the Knicks, the Rangers, and in Brooklyn, the Nets and now Islanders, but not the Jets, the Giants or the Devils. Should we change this one-liner? Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:38, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah but the Meadowlands are in a different state. Orchard Park is not technically Buffalo but these one-liner listings aren't the place for splitting hairs. That said, I've never been totally happy with that particular listing; I'd welcome a wholesale revision. Powers (talk) 21:11, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps User:AndreCarrotflower might be inspired to write a new one-liner, as this is his beloved home town. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:20, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with Powers; mentioning the Bills in the one-liner is fine. Aside from the fact that the odds favor the Bills moving to a new stadium in the city proper within a few years, differentiating between individual cities and towns within the Buffalo-Niagara metro area at this level in the breadcrumb hierarchy handily qualifies as hair-splitting. As for the blurb in general, I'm visiting the in-laws for the weekend but will be more than happy to jazz it up when I get back, if we agree that it's desirable. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:56, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Enjoy your visit. I'd love to see what you come up with for a one-liner, but it's not urgent. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:50, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Wasn't there a New York mayor once who after the Giants won the Super Bowl said something to the effect of "let them hold their parade in New Jersey, they don't play in New York"? I have never been to NYC (though it's on my bucket list), but I do know that there is a rivalry or at least a perception of animosity towards New Jersey... I don't think the same can be said for Buffalo and its suburbs, can it? Hobbitschuster (talk) 01:19, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That was Mayor Koch. He said let them have a parade in Moonachie. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:21, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Where? Hobbitschuster (talk) 01:52, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a town in the New Jersey Meadowlands. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:59, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Conversely, if the Bills ever win the Super Bowl, there will be a parade in Downtown Buffalo. And it will probably extend down the Thruway for days. Powers (talk) 16:46, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Right, but the Giants championship teams since Mayor Koch (who was in the 80s) have had ticker tape parades down Broadway, so that isn't really a difference anymore. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:40, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I guess they will again in February... Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:29, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Illustrating this article
New York State is full of beauty. I think it's obvious we need at least one photo of New York City and another of Niagara Falls. Logical other things to show could include a photo of a view across a great lake, with the water disappearing below the horizon, a photo of pretty buildings in Saratoga Springs or any number of small-town historic districts, a view across or alongside the Hudson River in the Hudson Valley, a view of the Adirondacks, a view of the Erie Canal, a picture of something photogenic in any of several Upstate cities such as Buffalo, Rochester, Albany, Troy, Ithaca or Syracuse (not an exhaustive list), and maybe someplace in Long Island. But it's just a shame for a few red leaves and part of the Bear Mountain Bridge to be the only photos on this page. I worked on Pennsylvania tonight. I know we have great editors who live in Western and Upstate New York, and quite a few people other than I have a good working knowledge of New York City. Would you like to help with this task of beautifying this guide to New York State? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:37, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It took me forever just to find that unfocused leaf picture. I find the task draining, personally, but I'll keep an eye out. Powers (talk) 01:56, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll help, too. The leaf picture is nice; I just don't want it to be the only image of the state in the body of the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:51, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I just looked through most of the Featured, Quality and Valued image results for Commons Category:New York. I added two that were unused in other Wikivoyage articles, of fairly obvious subject matter to place in this guide: One of the Midtown Manhattan skyline and another of Horseshoe Falls. In order to give a fair representation of the state, though, it will be necessary to search separately for results for parts of the state we want represented in this article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:50, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Just a quick note: this article really cries out for more images. I'll try to look for some good ones from around the state later, but if anyone else would like to do so, please do! Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:10, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Culture
Just a question here. As a local, would you consider Buffalo (and maybe upstate New York in general) more Midwestern or East Coast in culture? The dog2 (talk) 17:55, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

 * Definitely not Upstate New York in general. Western New York (Rochester, Buffalo, etc.) only. But what's Midwestern really depends on where you are sitting. I had a roommate from Iowa at Aspen one summer, and he considered Ohio to be Eastern, period, whereas as a Manhattanite, Buffalo and even more so, Chautauqua County felt Midwestern to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:11, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

 * The dog2 - This is actually a much debated question among Buffalonians, with no clear consensus answer. However, I've travelled a good bit through both the East Coast and Midwest, so I feel qualified in weighing in with some degree of authority.

 * The answer is complicated. First, we have to address the problematic nature of "Midwest culture" as a concept. While the Midwest is a coherent geographical entity, I would argue that coherence doesn't carry over into culture. The worldview of a Rust Belter in a place like Cleveland or Detroit just doesn't have much in common with that of a corn farmer in Iowa, or that of someone in the North Woods of northern Minnesota or Michigan's Upper Peninsula.

 * That being said, there are very stark cultural differences between Upstate and Downstate New York, and in the case of Buffalo specifically, it is very clearly aligned in a cultural sense with the Great Lakes (ergo the Midwest) rather than the coastal Northeast. I'm less qualified to opine about other regions of Upstate, but in general terms, I would say a trip down Interstate 90 from Albany (which I would argue represents the outer limits of NYC's cultural sphere of influence, even though no one would deny that it's geographically Upstate) westward to Buffalo presents a very palpable gradual transition from East Coast to Midwest culture, and that meanwhile the Southern Tier is actually more Appalachian in cultural bent than either of those two.

 * -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:26, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

 * Ikan Kekek - Chautauqua County is an interesting case. You say it felt Midwestern to you, which I take to mean you probably stuck close to the Lake Erie shoreline along the I-90/NY 5/US 20 corridor, or maybe visited some of the more touristy spots around the upper portions of Chautauqua Lake. But go any distance inland and it gets very Appalachian very fast. Jamestown, for instance, reminds me of nothing so much as West Virginia. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 06:12, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

 * I haven't been to West Virginia, so I have no Appalachian basis for comparison (I've been to Asheville, NC, which certainly doesn't typify Appalachia, but if Jamestown was very different from other small cities in inland Western New York, I couldn't tell). I was really thinking of the beautiful rolling hills between Chautauqua and Lake Erie, though, but also people's accent, vocabulary (e.g., pop vs. soda) and manner of speaking. But Buffalo, which I've visited twice, definitely felt quite different from New York City or even Albany, too. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:57, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

 * I've only been to Buffalo once, and back then I was still an ignorant foreigner in high school, and only passing through on the way to Niagara falls, so unfortunately, I didn't pay that much attention to cultural differences from NYC, though it certainly felt somewhat different. The cultural diversity of the US is really easy for foreigners to underestimate, especially if your idea of "America" is purely based on what Hollywood portrays. One stereotype we actually have in Asia is that white people do not eat spicy food, so imagine the shock when a tourist from Asia tries Buffalo wings and that stereotype gets completely tossed out of the window. The dog2 (talk) 06:52, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

 * Yeah, not my absolute favorite dish, but it really is better in Western New York where it comes from. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:57, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Immigration to New York
Take this for what it's worth:

[quote] [unquote]
 * In 2018, 4.4 million immigrants (foreign-born individuals) comprised 23 percent of the population.
 * New York was home to 2.3 million women, 2 million men, and 206,980 children who were immigrants.
 * The top countries of origin for immigrants were the Dominican Republic (11 percent of immigrants), China (9 percent), Mexico (5 percent), Jamaica (5 percent), and India (4 percent).

You could interpret this as stating that there is or is not widespread Mexican immigration to New York. I don't think there's any question that the Mexican community has grown a lot in New York City in the last couple of decades, with a big presence in Spanish Harlem, some neighborhoods in Queens like Jackson Heights and parts of the Bronx and Westchester County. I also noticed a community in Kingston. We're not like California, though, because the Caribbean is so much closer to the East Coast. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:42, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

 * The edits I made which led to the remarks above don't exactly have to do with immigration per se, in my opinion, but were more related to the presence of ethnic communities regardless of whether they're foreign- or native-born. (I admit the edit summary was a bit clumsily worded; it's a shame you can't go back and edit them after the fact.) Compounding that is the fact that since Puerto Ricans are American citizens, people originally from Puerto Rico who later move to New York presumably wouldn't be classified as "immigrants" by the source you cited above.

 * According to the U.S. Census Bureau's American Community Survey from 2017 (the most recent year for which data is available), there are 1,112,962 people in New York State who self-identify as being of Puerto Rican ethnicity; 872,504 who identify as being of Dominican ethnicity; and 478,850 who identify as being of Mexican ethnicity. That's a pretty steep drop-off between second and third place. But, on the other hand, if the Mexican community is growing more rapidly than other Latin American ethnicities, the gap may have narrowed a bit in the four years since, and it also bears mentioning that the dropoff between third and fourth place is even steeper (478,850 Mexicans vs. 76,337 Cubans). So although my preference is to not muddle the issue by mentioning Mexican-American New Yorkers (what's interesting to travellers correlates with what's unusual or unexpected about a given place, and New York is one of the few regions of the U.S. where Mexicans don't predominate among Latino nationalities), there are viable arguments on the other side too.

 * -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:21, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

 * I agree with all your points. In New York City and places like Kingston, I think it's particularly Mexicans from Pueblo who have really made their presence felt since I guess the 90s or so. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:10, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

 * Interesting. That's quite different from Chicago, where Mexicans form the majority among Latinos, with Puerto Ricans in second place. And of course, there's smaller numbers of Guatemalans, Ecuadorians, etc. I'm not sure how's the Mexican food in New York City, but Chicago has really awesome Mexican food, and you can get really authentic carnitas, chorizo, carne asada, etc. The dog2 (talk) 03:25, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

 * Since I ordinarily go to California at least once every year to visit my brother and friends in the Bay Area and sometimes go south to L.A. to visit my cousin, I don't have Mexican food too often in New York, but a couple of years ago, I got some tacos from a taco truck in Brooklyn that were great and as good as a good taqueria in the Mission District in SF; when I asked them, they told me their restaurant is in Jackson Heights. There's also for years (but not recently, due to the pandemic) been a taco truck late nights at 2nd St. near Ave. A in the East Village that's not quite as good as that but still tasty, honest food. I also enjoyed a Mexican restaurant on 116th St. between Lexington and 3rd or 2nd and 3rd when I was staying in Spanish Harlem for a week a couple of summers ago (one dish I enjoyed was a generous-portioned appetizer of grilled sliced pasilla peppers, onions and cream). There's no question that the average Mexican eatery is better throughout at least most of California, but I think it's easier to find a higher caliber of Mexican food in New York than it used to be; you just have to know where to look. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:18, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

 * By the way, I still remember having a delicious Mexican meal in Evanston in 1988, which included chicken mole poblano. Chicago is a great eating city and definitely known for Chicano food and culture. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:20, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

 * The best Mexican food I've ever eaten was in - of all places - rural Orleans County, where there are a handful of taquerías that are just beginning to come onto the radar screens of Buffalo- and Rochester-area foodies, but whose clientele still consists mostly of the migrant farm laborers who work in the local fruit orchards. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 06:42, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

pgname?
Should it remain as New York (state) or be changed to New York (just the |pgname=, not moving the page. Pinging who have local knowledge. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:53, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

 * I think that more people outside the U.S. know New York as a city than as a state, so I'd keep the names as is. Those of us who live in New York City call the city simply "New York", and the official name of it is the "City of New York". However, I'm not sure I'm answering your question, because you're suggesting not moving the page. I don't understand what you're thinking of. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:16, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

 * Currently the page banner says New York (state), however, that can be modified to show just "New York". SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:19, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

 * Oh, the banner. I think it should be captioned "New York State". Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:28, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

✅. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:21, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Glens Falls
I am stumped as to which region Glens Falls should be in.

The city is in Warren County, which otherwise is almost entirely within the Adirondacks, for which User:Peterfitzgerald used the Blue Line as the boundaries. It's very close to Lake George -- Greater Glens Falls Transit provides public transportation to and within Lake George, for instance -- and is the last good-sized community north of Albany until you hit Plattsburgh. On the other hand, it's technically not within the park borders (at least as far as I can tell; it's difficult) and isn't far from Saratoga Springs, which is definitely Capital Region.

Any ideas?

-- Powers (talk) 00:35, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

 * I think it’s in the Capital District, although near the Adirondacks, as you have indicated. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 02:16, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

 * The maps don't answer the question. Warren County is not shown as part of Capital District, where the static map shows every county. However, the Adirondacks map shows Glens Falls to be just outside the boundaries of the map if you zoom and look closely. Powers, which region do you think it belongs to more? Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:03, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's the problem. You'd have to extend the Capital District to include part of Warren County, or extend the Adirondacks region outside of the Blue Line to incorporate all of Warren County. Glens Falls serves in many ways as a gateway to the Adirondacks, so by that measure I'd include it there. (It's also worth noting that there's no obvious demarcation point along U.S. Route 9 where you transition from the outskirts of Lake George to the outskirts of Glens Falls; for example, the outlet center just north of Six Flags is called "The Outlets at Lake George" even though they're closer to Glens Falls.) But that would make it an anomaly among communities that are otherwise entirely within the Blue Line. Powers (talk) 02:23, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * If you feel like extending the Adirondacks region to include Glens Falls is the best solution, even if it's still problematic, we should do that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Well if I knew what the best solution was, I wouldn't have needed to ask for other opinions. =)  For what it's worth, though, Reddit seems to agree, though with a tiny sample size.  Powers (talk) 00:23, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Input needed on New York State region boundaries
I could use some help, discussion at Talk:New York (state). Thanks! Powers (talk) 02:11, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Edit war about Latinos as a usual part of the population of Upstate cities
See this site:

Most of New York’s 10 largest cities also have significant Latino populations. The Latino share of these cities’ population ranges from 4.1% in Cheektowaga to 42.1% in Yonkers. Additionally, five of New York major cities are also home to the state’s largest Latino communities, including New York City, Buffalo, Yonkers, Rochester, and New Rochelle. The state’s 10 largest cities are home to 69.3% of New York’s Latino population.

Between 2010 and 2020, the growth of the Latino population in New York and in four of the five largest cities outstripped the growth of the non-Latino population.

TOP 10 NEW YORK CITIES POPULATION INCREASE FOR STATE OF NEW YORK AND SELECTED CITIES 2010-2020 CITY TOTAL POPULATION LATINO POPULATION LATINO SHARE OF POPULATION New York 8,804,190 2,490,350 28.3% Buffalo 278,349 35,643 12.8% Yonkers 211,569 89,065 42.1% Rochester 211,328 41,869 19.8% Syracuse 148,620 15,625 10.5% Albany 99,224 11,541 11.6% New Rochelle 79,726 26,257 32.9% Cheektowaga 76,829 3,161 4.1% Mount Vernon 73,893 14,003 19.0% Schenectady 67,047 8,758 13.1%

QED. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:New York (state)


text:
Talk:New York City

Archiving
I have archived all discussions between 2012 and 2017 in the archive that can be accessed to the right. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 03:12, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

NYC airport code

 * "New York City ( for all airports) is well connected by air with flights from almost every corner of the world."

I'm one of those people who uses all-airports codes to search for flights into a city. Specifically, I use LON for my annual trip through and to London as I'm not that fussy about LHR or LGW, especially where there is a connecting flight involved. I haven't been to New York City for a long time, so I don't know whete the best deals are. If use the NYC code to start my search, so I don't agree that it is "a triviality of very limited practical usefulness". Ground Zero (talk) 10:06, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

 * I wasn't the one who removed it but I will say I do see your perspective. Similarly, from Singapore, you can use TYO to search for flights to Tokyo if you are not fussy about which airport you're flying into, which is useful since Japan Airlines, ANA and Singapore Airlines all fly into both HND and NRT. The dog2 (talk) 13:17, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

 * I also search for flights to and from "New York City area airports", because while in theory, LaGuardia is probably the most convenient for me, followed by JFK, if the price is significantly cheaper to and/or from Newark, I will go there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:14, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

 * Oops, sorry... I saw the edit and already undid it with a comment before I noticed this discussion. However, it sounds like several of us are arguing in favor of keeping it. --Bigpeteb (talk) 16:21, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

DotM
Sometime in the future (right now we have quite a few US articles nominated) it would be cool to see New York City, one of the world's most iconic cities and I think largest where English is the majority language, as DotM. The article is at guide status, has a lot of information (some sections like Get in By bus are long, but again, useful to many readers), but things like prices need to be updated.

Districts and subdistricts are for the most part at least in a decent shape, some could use more listings to bring them up to usable status (e.g. Queens/Forest Park needs one Sleep listing), and there are listings here and there without coordinates. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Given how New York has been harder hit by the coronavirus than other parts of the U.S., even more businesses are likely to close than in other parts of the country, and substantial work would be required before listings are updated enough to feature the article. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 19:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Yes, we should check the listings (even if there would've been no corona pandemic it'd be useful to do). There's plenty of time to do that, because the article wouldn't go on the Main Page before summer or fall 2021 at earliest even if it was nominated today. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:53, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Oh yes, it's definitely a great nomination. I think we'll be able to do it, but it's just a concern that is reflected to various extents around the world. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 20:48, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

 * I'd love to see my city featured, but I don't think we should even nominate it until the pandemic is over to the extent that the concert halls, bars, clubs, museums and art galleries have reopened and we have a clear idea of which ones still exist. Just yesterday, I found out that Gem Spa, a fixture on St Marks Place for 90 years, will close permanently, and Shetler Studios, a couple of renowned rehearsal studio buildings among people in the performing arts, is also closing its doors. There will be much more upheaval. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Reversion - No subway on Staten Island

 * Swept from User talk:Bigpeteb

Please do not fully revert. I want there to be a mention that in Staten Island there is no subway system. So please revert that edit. Thanks. 2600:387:5:805:0:0:0:6A 21:01, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

 * The problem with your first edit is that it's the wrong place to describe such detail. There is a "Get around" section above that which is 20 screens long; info about the city's transportation systems belongs there. The only reason transportation is discussed in that paragraph under "See" is that it dovetails a bit with other advice about a tourist should plan their day. Arguably, it could be removed, too, as "See" isn't the right section to discuss rush hour or how best to cross Midtown.
 * Your second edit is no better, because it just bloats the article. This is a long article that's chock-full of information, and other people have worked hard to keep it trimmed out unnecessary details.
 * In both cases, there's no need to emphasize the difference between the NYCS and the SIR. The traveller comes first, and from a traveller's point of view, the distinction isn't important. Both are run by MTA, the SIR is included on the subway map, the fare is the same, and you can get transfer fares between them. --Bigpeteb (talk) 21:34, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

 * I noted the difference at the top of the By subway section before I saw this discussion. The traveller doesn't benefit from falsely believing the subway serves the whole city, especially since, at least judging by maps, the four boroughs are extremely well-covered by subway, with barely a neighbourhood missed, whereas Staten Island has just one line that runs along its edge. This article also treats the SIR as separate to the subway, which it is, because you can't catch a train from the island to anywhere else in New York. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:42, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Exactly. The traveler comes first. Anyone visiting Staten Island will want to know that they can’t directly take a train to Midtown. Please mingle it in somehow. I also don’t consider 83 bytes bloating. 2600:387:5:805:0:0:0:6A 22:21, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * As a FINAL side note, as they said, most NYC stuff is closed. So temporarily no one is traveling there. 2600:387:5:805:0:0:0:6A 23:08, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * As said, I put it in.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 23:10, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I guess. 2600:387:5:805:0:0:0:6A 23:38, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Meh... The additions ThunderingTyphoons! made are fine; they at least fit better with the rest of the content. Whether it was necessary in the first place, I'm still not sure it was. Anyone who can read a map can see that Staten Island isn't as well covered. (Doesn't the fact that you cited the map to illustrate this point prove that the text wasn't necessary?) Anyone who can read a map or who reads Staten Island or #Get around will know that you can't get to or from Staten Island by train, and that the subway doesn't cover Staten Island. And anyone who has a particular destination to reach will simply type it into Google Maps and follow its directions, regardless of whether it takes them on the subway, SIR, bus, or ferry.
 * But hey, if it helps clarify something that nobody was really confused about in the first place, what's another 123 bytes between friends, eh? --Bigpeteb (talk) 00:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * But hey, if it helps clarify something that nobody was really confused about in the first place, what's another 123 bytes between friends, eh? --Bigpeteb (talk) 00:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Interstate 80
Interstate 80 is a major urban freeway in the west, going through major cities like San Francisco, Oakland, Sacramento(for California, all within 80 miles(130 km)of each other), Reno, NV and Omaha, NE, as well as minor cities like Cheyenne, WY and Salt Lake City, UT. But after Interstate 29, it is not so much a big freeway. It does go through Des Moines, IA(Interstate 35)but even then, that has 200,000 residents. It passes within ten miles or sixteen kilometers of Chicago, IL, Cleavland, OH and New York, NY. But unlike the others, I-80(a)doesn’t enter New York State and (b)is close in the manner that it almost makes it. It does go through South Bend, IN, but that is irrelevant. What is relevant is the fact that it goes close enough to NYC that a ton of people are taking I-80 into the city. I don’t want to directly participate, however, I will link this. for reference, if anyone cares, this is the enwiki article on Interstate 80. If this is the case then
 * 1) Interstate 59 shouldn’t be in Chattenoga, as it ends in Willwood, GA and
 * 2) Interstate 88 shouldn’t be in Albany, of Binghamton.

Thanks. 2600:387:5:80D:0:0:0:49 23:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

 * One thing to consider is the percentage of visitors to those other cities who arrive by car, as opposed to visitors to New York City. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:56, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * @Anonymous: If you "don't want to directly participate", then why don't you start taking that 7 month wiki break you said you were about to take? Otherwise, engaging in these discussions is participating, and if you're going to participate, you need to listen to what we're saying instead of repeating the same argument we've already been through with you on other articles.
 * In the case of this article, "Get in - By car" already explains which bridges travellers can use to get into NYC. We're not going to bloat this article and belabor the explanation by listing the myriad Interstates and US highways that connect NYC to dozens of large cities and hundreds or thousands of small ones. We leave it to the reader to figure out which of the many possible routes they should use to reach those bridges and tunnels, which they can do with something called a "map". --Bigpeteb (talk) 02:17, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The closest thing to an Interstate 80 article is the Lincoln Highway article as it is/was the first transcontinental highway, predating the U.S. highway system of 1926 (US Hwy 30, 40 and 50), from New York to San Francisco, Interstates 80 & 76 were eventually built alongside the old Lincoln Highway (US Hwy 30 & 50) from Philadelphia to San Francisco. In fact, Interstate 80 replaced the old Lincoln Highway across Nebraska and Wyoming. Check it out, make some edits to make it better if you fee so inclined. In New York, the old Lincoln Highway begins and ends on 42nd St & Broadway in Times Square. Anyone150 (talk) 17:29, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Through streets
Re: this edit: Signs often abbreviate things, so I would use "through streets", but if the point is to look for signs, where is there a "Thru Street" sign? Best to be specific; otherwise, it doesn't matter what spelling the Department of Transportation uses. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:14, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Monkeypox
I get why in this edit, the mention of monkeypox was removed from a caution box about COVID, I suppose, but now, there is no mention of the monkeypox state of emergency in New York, and that ill serves travelers, right? So shall we restore it? A penny for your thoughts, JRHorse. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:50, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

 * I don't think it belongs in a COVID box simply because Monkeypox is not related to COVID. Regardless, monkeypox has been declared a public health emergency by the WHO and the United States (among other countries I'm sure), so perhaps there would be a better place to mention monkeypox on the wiki. Maybe on its own page, or in a separate caution box on the national level. JRHorse (talk) 12:44, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

 * There should be a mention on this page, regardless of where else we put one. There's more monkeypox in New York than elsewhere in the U.S. As usual, New York-area airports were the primary ports of entry. So where do you want to put the notice, and why not as part of a COVID-and-monkeypox caution box? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:01, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Really the only concern I had, once again, is that monkeypox and COVID are two different things. I plunged ahead with a separate caution box about monkeypox, with some data from an NBC news article from a few days ago and a link to the NYC DOH page about it. JRHorse (talk) 17:54, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking care of this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:58, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. What are your thoughts about possibly adding this to other areas where it might be needed? JRHorse (talk) 17:59, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Added a box to United States. JRHorse (talk) 19:00, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Appreciated. I don't know where else one should be added. I think it's been declared an emergency in a few U.S. states, so it would make sense to add caution boxes there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:40, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Added to Illinois, Chicago, California, Los Angeles, San Francisco. JRHorse (talk) 00:07, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

JFK taxi tout warningbox
Shouldn't that be in the JFK article, with a very brief summary here to "avoid taxi touts who offer you rides at airports without being asked"? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:51, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, it is in that article, so it shouldn't be copied here. I will summarize. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:57, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Edit war on New York's climate
Can we please have consensus about this? With global warming and its local version here, all bets are off, but in general, I don't think many people would find fall in New York "warm" beyond September, and "subtropical" is generally a term used for Florida, not for a city that had a 7-degree Christmas. Nor is March mild - it can be, or it can be cold. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:47, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Any comments? It's ludicrous and highly misleading to call New York's climate "subtropical" in a travel guide and call New York's falls "warm," when that's true of Havana. Sure, it's going in that direction, but are we going to call Greenland subtropical in the future or just recognize that the world in general is getting hotter? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:52, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Even though the "subtropical" reference is technically correct as an encyclopedic term, since most people aren't here for that, I agree it doesn't work as a conversational adjective to describe New York's climate. But if we're looking for an adjective, "humid continental" wouldn't be my first choice either.
 * I've personally never found the technical climate descriptions too helpful. Since our goal isn't to classify the climate (like Köppen does), but rather to give people a sense of what to expect, we probably have some leeway to be very conversational here. Maybe it would be on-tone to explain the climate with reference to other recognizable cities, even if it isn't perfect.
 * Maybe something like this for example (season descriptions are just copied from the current version, and comparisons are based on my gut feeling):
 * "New York City experiences all four seasons, with hot and humid summers (Jun-Sept), warm and dry autumns (Sept-Dec), cool, wet winters (Dec-Mar), and mild, wet springs (Mar-Jun). Average highs for January are around 38°F (3°C) and average highs for July are about 84°F (29°C). Compared to Buffalo, January here can feel more like Paris, but July feels more like Lisbon. Snow can fall between late November and early April, but typically melts within a few days. Tropical storms some years can bring truly torrential rains in the late summer and early fall." Gregsmi11 (talk) 15:02, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree that meteorological classifications are not useful in a travel guide. They are appropriate for Wikipedia. We should use plain language. I don't think that "subtropical" is a useful description for travellers to NYC. Ground Zero (talk) 16:28, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't agree that it's warm from October to December, nor that it's particularly dry. I would say we have hot, humid summers that start anywhere from the second half of May to late June (we've even had some chilly Junes, though that's unusual) and last till early to late September. Octobers are now generally mild. November is typically characterized by wind and rain, but that is not a guarantee. Winter is from late November or December till early to mid-March, though snowstorms can occur as late as the second week in April. Decembers used to be cold but can be mild to very frigid (as low as around 0 F, with some days having highs in the single digits), and that's really true of the entire winter now. March and especially April are known for thunderstorms but can also be very nice. This is all based on my lived experience, not figures, but it's really misleading to call fall "warm," when you can experience cold rain with driving wind in late October or November. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:59, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I wasn't willing to let this drop, so I made these edits. Do I have agreement on them, or would you like to change anything? Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:17, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Cope#Language
Why is there a Language section under Cope as well as a Talk section? Maybe we should merge the former into the latter. 212.102.51.250 20:48, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Good point. I've combined them. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:25, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Update on restrooms
The article currently says "Public restrooms are few and far between in New York City, and it got worse when the subway system closed their restrooms during the pandemic." It appears the subway restrooms have reopened – is it still true that they're few and far between? How should this sentence be updated to accurately reflect the current state of affairs? —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:33, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's still very true. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:52, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:New York City