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Talk:Rail travel in the United States

Amtrak system map
This might be one image too many on the mainspace page, but it surely can't hurt on the talk page...Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:13, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * In an article such as this, I should think a map to be far more useful than any other image. Powers (talk) 21:03, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * This map has several issues, imho. For one it does not show frequencies (or the fact that some stations get one train per day at 2:17 AM). Another issue I have with this map is the way the route from New Orleans East towards Jacksonville (which has not seen a train in a decade now) is displayed somewhat awkwardly... Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:19, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It may have a couple of issues, but surely it's better than no map at all. Powers (talk) 19:38, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I shall raise no objection if you find a suitable place to integrate it into the article... However, chose between this map and the other I just uploaded. I think it might be better suited for our purposes but I ain't sure... Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:53, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * At article size, I'm not sure the line widths will be distinguishable. I find the first map more aesthetic. Powers (talk) 17:03, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Neither is 100% the best possible option. For one the map would gain by color coding frequencies instead of hardly distinguishable thicknesses. And the whole sunset limited issue isn't satisfying either... Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:08, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * How about a map that uses color and line thickness to distinguish frequency? I like the diagrammatic approach of the second map; it's not as aesthetically pleasing as the first, to be sure, but it offers more information at-a-glance. PerryPlanet (talk) 23:45, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

I like the new map a lot better (though journey times and/or speeds might be a good feature as well). Thanks for making it. However while aesthetic considerations may be a legitimate concern over here, they should not trump value added to the voyager... Best wishes Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:40, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I think travel times and speeds would be too much info to put into that map. Besides, travel times are already listed in the list of routes on the page, and speeds are extremely variable (this is Amtrak, after all). PerryPlanet (talk) 02:18, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * From a short stretch of 150 mph and the "breakneck" speed of 110 mph (just 10% faster than a regional train in Germany) to the incredible 79 mph ;-). Still, having the information of whether you are in for a slow crawl or something slightly above that is certainly a good idea. But if it is already in effect mentioned in the routes, maybe there is no need for an extra map on that. We should however make sure that the numbers are correct especially if (when) route speeds are updated. I recently heard about Vancouver-Seattle and St. Louis - Chicago being upgraded to 110 mph... Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:17, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hobbitschuster, are you aware that it's common for long-haul Amtrak trains to arrive 8 hours late or more? We just don't spend remotely close to a sufficient amount on trains in the US. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:12, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ikan has already pointed out how common it is for Amtrak trains to arrive late, but even more than that, 150, 110, and 79 mph are all top speeds — not average speeds, which is the more crucial indicator of how long a trip will take from a traveller's perspective, and which vary dramatically based on the section of the route, how heavy the freight traffic is, and how well Amtrak has been doing keeping their trains running on-time. PerryPlanet (talk) 21:22, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I am well aware of the issues with Amtrak trains running late (most often, but not always due to a freight train blocking the single track). And I am also aware that the famed 150 mph only apply for a rather short section of tracks somewhere in Pennsylvania (or was it New York?). The funny thing is: I am also extremely familiar with German complaining about Deutsche Bahn, who gives (has to give, according to EU law) a 25% refund if the train is an hour late and a fifty percent refund if the train is two hours late. If that were the case for Amtrak, it would probably be even more bankrupt than it already is. In their defense though, Amtrak is seriously underfunded and has to maintain routes that only make sense from a political standpoint (If you run enough routes through enough districts, you make sure you get your funding). And their is one thing Amtrak does which has been almost entirely shut down in Europe: ultra-long-distance sleepers. True going from Madrid to Berlin would not take seventy hours in Europe. But there is no-one offering a single seat, much less a single sleeping car ride much less with daily departures. I would be very happy to see such a thing appear again in Europe. Even at Amtrak speeds. Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * "while aesthetic considerations may be a legitimate concern over here, they should not trump value added to the voyager" -- this is only opinion, not objective truth. To the extent that "the traveller comes first", aesthetics contributes to the value of an image in that it attracts the reader's attention and presents in the information in a more digestible form. Powers (talk) 23:36, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The problem with the first map, however, is that aesthetics is really the only thing it has going for it; information-wise, it's actually quite misleading in presenting all Amtrak services as if they're equal. To paraphrase a favorite blogger of mine, it's as if you had a street map where every kind of road was labeled the same: it's not wrong, necessarily, but it is misleading. PerryPlanet (talk) 03:05, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I emphatically agree with you - at least if you apply said logic to dense urban and regional networks. However, for long distance train networks it is often harder to find a map at all, as most people plan their trip when buying the tickets (the spontaneous need to know "what goes where" is not as big). That being said, even DB is able to make a (sub-par) map of their ICE routes Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:48, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * "However, for long distance train networks it is often harder to find a map at all, as most people plan their trip when buying the tickets"
 * Well, by that logic we don't need a map at all. But what you're describing is only true of European (and perhaps certain Asian) train systems, where buying train tickets is akin to buying plane tickets - the systems are so dense and frequent that you can be assured of finding multiple options, so you let the computer find the most direct or cheapest or timeliest route for you. With Amtrak, however, because it's spread out so thinly across the country and places a bigger emphasis on the individual routes (some of which are almost attractions in their own right), maps have always played a bigger role in illustrating where Amtrak goes. If there's one thing I can say for Amtrak over its European counterparts, it's that they use maps to much better effect. PerryPlanet (talk) 16:06, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. Furthermore in the - not so good - old days buying a train ticket would mean going to the counter and there you would talk to an actual human being who - if (s)he was so inclined - would explain routes and connections better than any map could. Of course if there is one train from Chicago to LA every day it is a different beast than if there are two trains from Hamburg to Munich every hour but there is also one connection every hour where you have to change trains in Frankfurt and than there is the reduced fare for the train leaving at 5:45 AM and than there is... My point is: if one system needs a map, it is probably Amtrak. The European and East Asian systems probably would need a map emphasizing speeds more than one emphasizing the availability of connections - It is safe to assume there is a connection. Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:19, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I guess I don't see frequency as all that important to an Amtrak system map. It's far, far more important to Amtrak customers in general to see where a train goes; what does knowing that the train comes twice a day versus once a day provide as an advantage to them? Powers (talk) 18:55, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

I guess it seems obvious (to me) if one compares the extreme points: The Acela and the Sunset Limited. They are vastly different beasts and are used by vastly different people. And one of the things (besides speed and travel time) that is vastly different between them is frequency of service... Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:35, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * For me, the frequency of service is a huge deal. A train that runs twice a day suddenly makes certain trips possible where a train that only runs once a day doesn't. For instance, when I was living in North Carolina, I was able to take a day trip between Raleigh and Charlotte on Amtrak because there were a couple of trains running in both directions each day, so I could take one in the morning and get back in the evening. Had there been only one train, I likely would have had to spend the night. If you're in a place where a long-distance train runs only once a day, you're at the mercy of the schedule; if you're unlucky, your one train might only show up very early in the morning. Frequency, along with factors like speed and comfort, plays a huge role in the usability of a system: a train that runs multiple times a day offers you multiple options when you're scheduling your trip and is more forgivable in the event that, say, you miss your train, whereas a train that runs only three times a week is (in my eyes) next to useless as a serious transportation option. PerryPlanet (talk) 19:47, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I could not agree more. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:52, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not useless if the times coincide with when you want to travel -- or if you don't care exactly when you travel. And the frequency information is useless without knowing the schedule. I'll concede the Acela issue but that's really an outlier in the entire system. Most of the network comprises daily long-haul trains. And even the frequency map can be misleading; for instance, the Lake Shore Limited travels the same route through New York as Empire Service does, but stops at fewer stations. So, for example, Rome sees 4 trains in each direction daily, but only three of them stop. Also, the schematic map doesn't accurately show routes, which further limits its utility outside the major cities.
 * I don't really have an objection to adding frequency data, but it's not useful enough to sacrifice the benefits of a more accurate and aesthetic geographic representation if we must choose one or the other.
 * -- Powers (talk) 14:37, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I feel like we're not going to come to an agreement on this, so how about we just put up both maps on this guide? PerryPlanet (talk) 15:52, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I think that for most Amtrak lines, planning anything based on the notional schedule or alleged frequency of service is a very poor choice. Routes that have frequent service can and should be covered individually. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:15, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey, as I said when this discussion started, any map is better than no map. Powers (talk) 23:51, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd think everyone can agree on that! Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:29, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

The Sunset Limited east of New Orleans
In the geographic system map it is still shown. However as the last service was prior to Hurricane Katrina, I guess it's gone and not coming back. While pointing this out might make our guides look bad, not pointing it out does not serve the voyager. Probably the easiest thing to do would be to update the map... Are there users with the requisite graphic design knowledge? Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:35, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

A few frequency map issues
I notice a few issues on the map with regards to both frequency, layout accuracy, and layout clarity. Frequency issues: 1. Bakersfield-Fresno-Stockton has 7 TPD and should be red. 2. Vancouver-Portland has 6 TPD and should be red. Very soon, the entire Seattle-Vancouver-Portland segment will be as well. 3. Norfolk-Richmond(Actually Petersburg VA) is 1 TPD and should be blue.

Layout Accuracy issues: 1. Raleigh is not on the line from Charleston to Richmond. The Raleigh dot should be labeled Selma. 2. No segment from Orlando-Miami is only served by one train per day- The Orlando-Tampa-Miami Silver star provides service to every point along the Miami-Orlando line as well. Perhaps a blue line intersecting an orange line south of Orlando would be the clearest way to show this.

Layout Clarity issues: Doing a point map can cause issues if you don't include the junction cities. A lot have been added in the color version which makes it a substantially better map than the prior version, but there are a number which would really help for clarity. 1. Fort Edward NY- The Ethan Allen and Adirondack share a substantial route distance north of Albany, with 3 relatively busy stations. The current Albany dot is in roughly the right place for Fort Edward- Putting a new dot south of there for Albany would probably be the clearest way to show this. 2. Greensboro NC and or Raleigh NC- Both are important NC cities, showing them on the map would clear up this area a great deal. 3. Charlottesville VA- Would clear up the Cardinal in the VA area. 4. Battle Creek MI- Would show the significant overlap between Wolverine and Blue Water. 216.165.95.186 17:34, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for informing us of those issues. I have raised the issue in the pub and hope someone who knows more about drawing maps than I do will address it in due time. Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:28, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Whom can I tag, to draw some attention here?, , , , , you all seem to have some knowledge of / interest in the US. I don't know who our maps experts are, but maybe you do. It would be nice to see to it that we deal this issue. Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:59, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I don't know how to draw a map, and neither have I taken the train in the US. My long distance travelling in the US has pretty much been done by car and by flying. The dog2 (talk) 18:13, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I never learned how to draw a map, nor am I an expert on all of Amtrak's routes. Here's a map on the Amtrak site, which I would rely on as a source, though it doesn't include the Alaska Railway or non-Amtrak commuter routes. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:08, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Is User:PerryPlanet still active? Because it appears that the original map was made by that user. Hobbitschuster (talk) 11:43, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Private railroad cars
So apparently this is a thing that exists (don't ask me how I found these links). If I am not entirely mistaken it is something like the railfan version of RVing... Only in much more time money and labor intensive, or so it would seem. While this seems like an interesting way to get around involving trains, I don't know whether it is within the scope of this article or WV in general... What do you think? Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:44, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

 * Or is it a more expensive and involved version of purchasing an automobile, which we don't cover? I'd say that if this is covered, it should be a very short afterword to this article at most. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:48, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

 * I think mentioning that it exists is okay (though I guess we are out of our depth when it comes to creating a travel topic on it) and pointing to Amtrak (who moves these cars around) and the two associations (either we are dealing with the people's front of Judea here or this is a surprisingly widespread thing in the US) as better resources than we can possibly ever be on the issue. Supposedly you can also rent a private railcar if your pockets are deep enough... Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:52, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

 * OK, sure, mention it. 1 or 2 sentences should be all you need. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:00, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

 * It seems to have slipped my memory to include this... Coming to think of it, maybe the talk page is the best place for it, after all ;-) Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:11, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Changes coming to Amtrak? Err... Don't hold your breath
So apparently there are both changes to the Amtrak equivalent of frequent flyer miles and some "behind the scenes" changes, that may or may not affect travelers in years to come. Though, to be quite honest, I doubt much of anything will happen before this decade is out. If history has taught us anything, Amtrak is very good at just barely surviving and not moving very much in either direction - recent ridership growth notwithstanding. Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:10, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Tipping
Should mention be made of what is customary to tip or whom to tip? (e.g. dining car meals, sleeper attendants) Hobbitschuster (talk) 03:26, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Did someone copy from us or did we copy?
I just found this linked on the internet. It looks a lot like our article. Who copies from where there? Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:31, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It links to us at the bottom, which seems to barely satisfy the legal requirements. Powers (talk) 02:34, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Brightline Miami
So when Brightline first started service between West Palm Beach and Fort Lauderdale it read decided that it shouldn't be mentioned here. Now they've added service to Miami. Does that change the picture? Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:54, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

 * I don't think so. It's still a small regional rail line like Caltrain or the South Shore Line, which are not mentioned either. If you want to list all the commuter rail systems in the U.S. in this article, that would be one thing, but I don't think it makes sense to highlight Brightline over all the others. —Granger (talk · contribs) 05:12, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

 * What when they add service to Orlando? Hobbitschuster (talk) 11:35, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

 * At that point I wouldn't object to a couple of sentences, given that it's a more significant distance and both Orlando and Miami are important tourist destinations. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:50, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * AT this point it seems at least as relevant as the Antrak regional services in, say, California or the Midwest.Beeelb (talk) 02:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Downeaster and Dome car 2018
Amtrak Great Dome Car. Between August 11 and September 22, 2018 will be available on the Downeaster. (I think the Dome car was built in the 1950's) This may be of some significance for railway enthusiasts. May want to verify and add to article for short time. -- Matroc (talk) 02:52, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Is this something that happens with some sort of regularity or is this (almost) certainly a one-off? Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:07, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Amtrak's political situation
The "Understand" section seems to be a bit bloated with discussion of Antrak's eternally precarious and ever-changing political and financial situation - I feel like that's more relevant to us Amtrak supporters than actual travelers, and better covered elsewhere - this article should be more about the currently existing experience of traveling on Amtrak, no?Beeelb (talk) 02:28, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The politics affect and explain the travel situation... Hobbitschuster (talk) 04:01, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Rajahmundry

Eat listings
Eat listings require more than just the name of the establishment and some highly subjective POV comment, such as found in this edit. If you have some viable content or can add some useful detail to thes listings below then that should go into the article.- thank you- (WT-en) felix 05:24, 12 November 2011 (EST)

These listings were removed from the article on 12 Nov 2011 as they lack addresses, other contact details and any meaningful description.

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Talk:Rajasthan

Sub-regions of Rajasthan
There are approx 35 articles for cities in Rajasthan and there was (until yesterday) no real regional structure but only a few random regions establised. Therefore, I started working on a structure with seven sub regions corresponding to the administrative structure with seven divisions. I think this worked quite well (and certainly much better than the mess prior to these changes). So I do not understand why my changes have been reverted, it must be a mistake, and I plan to work on with the new structure, unless others have an idea of a better structure. (WT-en) ClausHansen 10:36, 2 January 2010 (EST)
 * Have made a new set of sub-regions of Rajasthan, complete with multicolored map. It is done by taking data from wikidata. However, there is a problem. The Udaypur division (shown in yellow) should contain the Chitogar District, but it is showing in white not yellow. Dear Ikan Kekek can you help or can you suggest someone who can help. --Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 16:03, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Issue of vandalism
Almost all the listings in entire Rajasthan section of wikivoyage looks like poorly spelled billboards put up by respective business owners. Personally I want to put a big warning box on each article asking user not to trust anything listed but I am sure there is a better way to handle this. Ideas/Suggestions anyone? --(WT-en) anurag.thakur84 14:49, 3 April 2012 (EDT)

Page banner
Rajasthan is known for Thar Desert (If I'm correct) and camel safari. --Saqib (talk) 16:34, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Yes, the article says the That Desert it is an important attraction. Both your banner and the one that is already there look quite good, so I'm neutral. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:59, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If you've not noticed but the same current banner also being used on Chittorgarh article. --Saqib (talk) 17:02, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, I didn't know that. We should avoid using the same banner on many articles, so go ahead and change it! ϒpsilon (talk) 17:05, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Red-linked cities moved from "Cities" list
These red-linked cities were out of alphabetical order at the end of the "Cities" section:

 * Sri ganganagar—
 * Padampur—
 * Jaitsar—
 * Ahore— "Havelli Heritage-Ahore", A heritage hotel by jagirdar family of Ahore
 * Jhunjhunu — also known as City of Frescoes and Havelis. It has many Havelis that have beautifully frescoed interior and exteriors

Articles about any of these cities would be most welcome, but they should probably be left off the 9-city list in this state-level article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:54, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Moved from "Go next"
Not relevant to "Go next," but moved here in case anyone can glean something of value from it:

The State of Rajasthan apart from its heritage status is famous for its Wildlife Reserves and Religious pilgrimages. Some of the rare species of animals like Chinkara, Blackbuck, Great Indian Bustard and several migratory birds are found exclusively in Rajasthan. Sariska, Bharatpur Sanctuary, Desert National Park, Tal Chappar Sanctuary are one of the few places in Rajasthan where the rich and diverse Flora and fauna of Rajasthan can be viewed. Rajasthan also is a favorite destination for pilgrims belonging to Hindu, Jain and Muslim Religion. The Dilwara Jain temples, Pushkar temple and Ajmer Sharriff are all examples of Religious and Cultural diversity in Rajasthan. Rajasthan today is a perfect blend of its rich heritage as well as a modern State surging ahead keeping with changing times of Modern banking, Industrial, Technological development in the World. Rajasthan is a visual treat for its vibrant and colorful lifestyle, something that will keep the traveler rapt with attention an experience he will cherish for the lifetime.

Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:20, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Image State Map of 7 districts for consideration

 * Found this image in Wikipedia - commons - Matroc (talk) 22:49, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

 * That's not "Wikivoyage-style," but it is good and I'd be fine with it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:19, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Template marker anomaly

 * 1) Accidently used description=Image and some relevant text as a parameter. Actually should have just used image=
 * 2) * The image pops up on map and descriptive text displays below image. This parameter passes through and is processed and added to the GeoJSON code. -- Will revert back later. -- Matroc (talk) 03:11, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Rajasthan Camel Safari

Having been on a camel safari in Rajasthan I'm not sure if it needs it's own article or if it could be a (large-ish) subsection of the Rajasthan article? (WT-en) Maj 11:00, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

Thoughts from a prospective traveller
I'm told a camel safari in Rajasthan is a 'must do' and therefore suggest that Camel Safari be a subject in its own right so prospective travellers can better understand the pros and cons of various safaris

Camel Safari at Fort Khejarla Camel safaris can be arranged around the village depending on the requirement of guests. Each camel would be associated with an escort for the tour. Tour could be 30 minutes or 60 minutes or even longer. Visit www.jodhpurfortkhejarla.com for more information

I'm an India. I have noticed that Camel Safaris are much sought after by Indians and foreigners alike. I think the Camel Safari page should stay. It's informative and extensive.

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Talk:Rajecké Teplice

Is the map's licence compatible with wikivoyage? (WT-en) Multimotyl 09:14, 17 December 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Rajgir

I have taken help from Wikipedia and updated the See section —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 125.22.43.2 (talk • contribs)

 * Hello and thank you for your interest in improving Wikivoyage. Unfortunately, we cannot copy information here from Wikipedia, as our licenses are incompatible. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 11:18, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

 * Hello. In that case, I will provide the information I get from books and from my own experience after my 4-5 visits to the ancient town of Rajgir. Thank You. --Purnendu

 * Great, just remember to only include writing in your own words. Thank you.  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 11:22, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
 * Sure Purnendu

 * I have provided some content on this topic and have typed each and every sentence. Please do not delete this as they are in my own words and copied from nowhere. I will update this page after further researchs. being a proud native of Magadh, I am intereseted in helping people travel to this treasure trove of ancient Indian history and mythology. Thank you.  Purnendu

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Talk:Raleigh

OK, to kick off discussion...

This article needs to concentrate on facts, rather than poking fun at Raleigh (which it does) or boosting the city (which it doesn't - but some people might want to do). I say the whole article needs a rewrite.

Additionally, while I totally empathize and agree with the frustration of TTA's lack of federal funding of the planned light rail system, I don't think we need the line about Global War On Terror, Inc. Best to keep politics out of a friendly resource for potential visitors. It's just the Southern way of doing things! 68.161.184.197 02:31, 22 October 2006 (EDT)

Unfair knocks on Durham.
I think both this and the Durham article make unfair digs at Durham. Durham's crime is actually declining... whereas Raliegh's is increasing. I don't think it's necessary to say "especially Durham". It sends the wrong message about Durham. I have lived there for the past thirteen years and it's a wonderful place to live and visit. The local news paints an inaccurate picture of crime in Durham.
 * If you feel the article is not fair to Durham, feel free to correct that. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 22:00, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

The slams at durham are also bull: http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A31990 note the stats.

Alternative banner for this article?
In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:21, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I'm not all that crazy about either one. Raleigh's skyline is very dull and nondescript; you could easily mistake it for the skyline of just about any other mid-sized American city. I'd prefer some sort of unique view, but between these two, I have no preference. PerryPlanet (talk) 03:07, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree that neither is good, but the new one is framed slightly better.. The old one cuts off some buildings kind of strangely. Texugo (talk) 03:14, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I also agree that neither is very good. What bothers me about the new one is that it's glary. Not sure what to think. I guess I slightly prefer the new one, too. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:45, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I decided to take a crack at making a good banner for this page, and man, finding good images of Raleigh for a banner is hard. The skyline isn't very interesting, and there isn't really a "classic view" of the city that would come up as an obvious choice (I considered a shot down Fayetteville Street in downtown, but didn't find a freely licensed photo that quite did the trick). I toyed with the idea of doing a banner of the "shimmer wall" on the convention center, but it doesn't translate well to a close-up photograph and you run into FoP issues there. In the end, I tried to do something with the state capitol, since that's really the only thing Raleigh is known for (unfortunately, the state capitol building doesn't lend itself to great horizontally-aligned images either, but I at least came up with this). PerryPlanet (talk) 23:32, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know. The view of only the top of the Capitol plus the top of a lamp post and trees is a little odd to me, so I'm not sure whether it's better than the dissimilar banner offered by ויקיג'אנקי or not. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:02, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the photo of the North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences Nature Research Center that's in the article could be made into a good and interesting pagebanner. The original file is 1,801 × 1,201 pixels, 809 KB. I have never learned to make pagebanners, but I duplicate the thumbnail here. Nature Research Center.jpg Kekek (talk) 00:07, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Pagebanners need to be at least 2100 pixels wide, so the resolution of that photo is too small. Besides, the coloration of that image isn't all that good; everything's rather glary and overexposed. I don't even know what a good frame would be in that photo; at best, I'm only getting a sliver of globe (and not enough for viewers to tell that it's a globe) and then a bunch of faceless building. PerryPlanet (talk) 00:36, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * 2100 is recommended, but I believe only 1800 is required. Powers (talk) 00:45, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, my bad, you are correct. Nevertheless, after downloading this image and playing around with it, I am more certain than ever that I can't make a good banner out of this image. The coloration of the globe and the building is too close; as a banner, your eye just sort of glazes over the whole thing and nothing about it stands out, and then you have the overexposed sky to boot. PerryPlanet (talk) 00:55, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for giving it a try. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:10, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey, lookie what I just found! This would be easy to turn into a nice banner. PerryPlanet (talk) 23:06, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

 * It's a high-resolution photo, but the structure in the nearest foreground is an ugly rusted one, so I don't find it superior to the current banner, overall. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:17, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

 * Aw, I like the rusted structure. For me, it adds a bit of color and variety with all those dull highrises. But if I'm alone on this view, I won't act on it. PerryPlanet (talk) 02:20, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

 * I suspect User:AndreCarrotflower may agree with you. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:21, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I know this is an old discussion, but I like the banner of the state capitol building better than the current night skyline banner. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:59, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

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Reason for creation
Creating as major "wanted" link. Is airport name, so redirecting to Raleigh page

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Talk:Ramallah

Granada Bar & Restaurant
The user that created that entry clearly seems to be the owner with no other entries than this one and a name related to the restaurant. Should this be removed due to touting? Ceever (talk) 13:17, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

 * Well, Unnecessary Capital Letters should be edited out, but there is no Wikivoyage policy of removing listings just because business owners added them, and in fact Wikivoyage has a Welcome, business owners page that you might want to look at. Remove the listing if you know the place is not worth going to. Otherwise, I'd say leave it up. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:04, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

 * That's confusing. I thought that was the reason why you regularly remove listings of one-time only users that just promote their business. Or is the reason for the deletion the sugar-coating of information? What is touting and what not, of written by the business owner? Cheers, Ceever (talk) 13:57, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

 * See Don't tout. That answers what is and is not touting pretty well; the rest is a judgment call. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:48, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

 * Ok. Thanks. Ceever (talk) 16:05, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

 * Thought about it again and feel that "well known for their live music" does qualify as touting when written by the owners. Ceever (talk) 10:43, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

 * I agree, but it shouldn't matter what the wording was. This was added by the business owner (who hasn't shown any interest in contributing to Wikivoyage) in order to drum up custom. It's an advert, and by definition touting, even if the wording could have been written by a traveller. In fact, such wording is arguably more harmful than obviously touty language, because the average reader won't realise it's an advert. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:48, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

 * My words ... Cheers, Ceever (talk) 11:21, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

 * [edit conflict] I agree on the "well-known for" phrase, but if your remarks are what Wikivoyage policy should be, then shouldn't we delete every listing for Citadines and the related vacation rental chain (whose name slips my mind), because they've obviously employed a crew of folks to do nothing but post listings for them and gotten good enough by now to post merely descriptively and avoid getting reverted for violation of Wikivoyage's don't tout policy? We've seen other users exclusively post listings of various other chains. How is that different from posting a listing for a single business, and just how rigorously do you plan on enforcing your version of the don't tout policy? Moreover, we even made one hotel marketer an autopatroller by consensus, since he so fully embraced Wikivoyage policy. Should we rescind the decision and delete all his listings, even though we consider him and them to be trustworthy? Just where, beyond the words of Don't tout, do you propose to draw the line? Perhaps you should make your proposal at Don't tout, but link this discussion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:28, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

 * I am flabbergasted by what I have just read. With regards to Citadines, had I been aware of such 'teams' of touts, then I would have absolutely argued for their reversion before now and am disappointed that such large-scale advertising appears to be within policy, just because of the language used. However trustworthy an individual or company is or seems to be, the fact remains that the only reason they are editing Wikivoyage is to advertise a business. To someone employed to advertise, the traveller's needs come a very distant second after their primary goal of making money for their employer.

 * Furthermore, if the traveller really does come first here, then he or she has a right to know whether the listing they are reading is an advert, or whether it has been submitted by a fellow traveller on its own merits. Even Google distinguishes between genuine results and ones that are sponsored. The idea that we have knowingly and willingly allowed editors to contaminate hundreds of articles with commercialised content dressed up as ordinary fair content submitted by genuine Wikivoyagers is sickening.

 * You're right, there should be a proposal at Don't tout. However, I should probably take some time to think about this rationally, when in a less indignant and recriminatory mood, which doesn't help anyone. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:05, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

 * @Ikan: I have no idea. I am just very confused because I often see you (Ikan) reverting even the tiniest touting attempt but suddenly this listing does supposedly not fall under this rule, even though you agree on the "well-known for" phrase. I am clearly against touting, and yeah, maybe everything you mentioned before should be reconsidered – commercial companies editing on WV, wtf? It is argued so often to stick to the rules here, but then I feel some decision are still made to certain people's liking, and by this frustrating other editors. Maybe a more genuine and objective flexibility on WV policies is the solution. Yes, maybe keep the companies here, but also do not punish every well-meant but slightly out of line thought and change. It is difficult to phrase but this also relates to the discussion there was in the Pub when one junior editor was angry about the arbitrary maps added by some senior members. I feel that all this does not help but weaken WV. One cannot run a system that is ruled by the punitive opinion of seniors onto juniors they depend on. Ceever (talk) 12:20, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

 * I don't think I revert for "the tiniest touting attempt", but I also distinguish between a quick revert and the deletion of a listing that's been here for some time. Maybe I shouldn't. But the main point I'm making is that having a standard of deleting based on the user, rather than the content, is a huge can of worms. But yes, by all means open a discussion on the policy page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:53, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Just to let you know, I am drafting a post intended to open a policy discussion. It's turning out quite long, but I am keen to address your concerns, Ikan Kekek, as I share them. Anyway, it should be up for review and comments tomorrow. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:20, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I think it is harmful to exclude any one group from editing here, even if it is professionals adding their own listings, companies and whatnot. Few of our articles suffer from too many listings, and if they do, we may still remove some listings. Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:54, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

 * I tend to detout listings I see in "Recent changes" if there are few if any listings in the section and the listing, though touty, looks reasonably salvageable, but I have a bias toward reverting immediately when there are already lots of listings. It has to do with what I think is a good use of my (and our) time. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:42, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Name change to Ram Allah
Hey, Israel4Eva here. I think we should change the name of the article to Ram Allah. It will help with pronounciation, as the town is pronounced RAM-AL-LAH and not RA-MA-LA. Israel4Eva (talk) 18:59, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

 * The thing is, the criterion for Naming conventions is that we use the spelling that's most often used in English, which I think very clearly would be Ramallah. You can specify the pronunciation in the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:31, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Rammohan

Hello!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. You can edit your preferences to change how the software works for you. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to our wiki software, MediaWiki, look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to edit a page. If you need help, check out the help desk, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

(WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 11:12, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

P.S. '''If you speak Hindi, please sign up for the Hindi Wikivoyage Expedition. You need to become a member of wt:shared first. -- (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) •

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Talk:Ramsgate

Pic
it needs to be on the page smaller and caption --(WT-en) LebronJames23 18:02, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

 * Done. The standard lede moved to the top of the page as well. – (WT-en) Vidimian 20:33, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
 * thank you much --(WT-en) LebronJames23 23:03, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Randolph (Ohio)

Moved here from traveller's pub
I'm trying to move Randolph to Randolph (Ohio) because there's other places with the same name (Randolph (Massachusetts) and Randolph (New Jersey)), but Randolph (Ohio) already exists as a redirect so can somebody delete that? Thanks (WT-en) –sumone10154 15:14, 2 March 2011 (EST)

 * Done. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:18, 2 March 2011 (EST)

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Talk:Rangeley Lakes

Contributor links: For researching this article try: - (WT-en) Huttite 06:17, 16 Apr 2005 (EDT)
 * http://www.etravelmaine.com/rangeley/
 * http://www.rangeleyvacations.com

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Dhammakaya

 * Seth Stevenson Slate article describes a personal experience inside the Dhammakaya temple.

 * The Slate article is funny, but this hardly merits a warningbox — converting daytripping tourists to cults when they don't speak the local lingo is pretty hard. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:09, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

Sigh. I'm the original editor who edit in the warning box. You may think that the Slate article is funny, but the Dhammakaya threat is real. It's a well-known cult with powerful members including lots of politicians. It has infiltrated schools' and universities' Buddhist clubs for decades, turning bright young minds who just want spiritual guidances into their fold. The worst thing is, just like America's Church of Scientology, nobody can do anything about it. The investigation only turned up the fact that the former abbot was stealing the temple's fund. He was stripped out of his title but nothing else had been done (despite the fact that stealing is one of the four deadly sins for Buddhist monks.) The cult is still very active today and tries to participate in the 2007 Constitutional draft to make Buddhism the state religion (so they will be protected as a sect of Buddhism.)

Yet when I try to warn the reader of them, you think it's not THAT danger.

I've never been to the cult (and never will.) But I think they'll always have someone who can fluently speak English on stand by (remember they convert hundreds of university students every year), just in case some unsuspecting tourists decide to visit. They have a web page in English after all. - 203.155.1.252 15:24, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

P.S. Thanks anyway for not removing the "cult" part. I think at least the Slate article should be put back in though.

 * This is a travel guide -- it's not particularly relevant to the traveler if Dhammakaya is trying to alter the Thai constitution, just like it's not particularly relevant to a traveler in the US that Scientology doesn't like psychology. I've been to the temple and the only hassle was that my girlfriend was asked, in sign language, to cover up her shoulders. No money, no conversion attempts, nada. (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:54, 2 June 2007 (EDT)

Rangsit and Pathum Thani
The articles of Rangsit and Pathum Thani show quite some overlap — where do we draw the line between both? --(WT-en) globe-trotter 16:48, 15 February 2010 (EST)

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Comments
I am wondering if the Rann of Kutch be merged with Kutch or become either a park or region type article, rather than a destination. As it is written it sounds like part of the article is about Kutch generally rather than the Rann of Kutch. - (WT-en) Huttite 07:06, 4 December 2009 (EST)

 * Yeah, I also think this shouldn't be an article on its own. At least according to the map on wikipedia [] the area fits pretty well with the Kutch district of wikivoyage. I'll try to merge them ... of course it would be nice to have some city/village articles to put the detailed information on safaries, hotels, ... --(WT-en) Sebindi 11:17, 20 April 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Ranong

TAT Listings
I placed some TAT listings at Talk:Ranong/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 16:45, 5 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Ranong (province)

Come on people - build some destination pages from this one! It starting to look like the yellow pages. I hardly know where anything is, or how to get there, because it is all listed in this one article, not on each town, (or beach) destination I could go to.

For example there are the 4 districts and one subdistrict:
 * Mueang Ranong
 * Kapoe
 * Kra Buri
 * La-un
 * and Suk Samran.

Then there are the island of
 * Ko Chang
 * Ko Phayam

Then push all those listings out from here into those other articles. If the listings are put where they belong then this page becomes a bit more manageable. - (WT-en) Huttite 07:23, 28 January 2009 (EST)

 * Please redirect your grumbles towards User:(WT-en) Borndistinction and the Tourism Authority of Thailand, who dumped a metric fuck-ton of listings (CC-licensed!) all over our Thai pages...

 * Also, Thai districts generally make really bad Wikivoyage regions. I'm not familiar with Ranong, but Mueang Ranong == Ranong (city) and the rest (outside the islands) can prob be lumped into a "Ranong beaches" article or something. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:59, 28 January 2009 (EST)

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By bus
There is a “Song Thaeo” service within the municipality area starting from Ranong Municipality Wet Market (Talat Sot Thetsaban) and ESSO petrol station during 6.00 a.m. – 6.00 p.m. on the following routes : Fish Dock (Pier to Ko Song or Victoria Point) From the Ranong Bus Terminal, there are buses to nearby provinces and destinations including Chumphon, Lang Suan, Surat Thani, Takua Pa and Phuket. Taxis are also available on Rueang Rat Road.
 * Route 1 	: 	Talat Tha Mueang-Talat Sot Thetsaban-Police Station-Krung Thai Bank
 * Route 2 	:   Around Town-Hot Springs-Jansom Thara Hotel-Rueang Rat Road.
 * Route 3	:	Tin Smeltery-Talat Phama (Burmese Market)-Talat Sot Thetsaban-Rattanakosin Road-

Amphoe Mueang
Ranong Governor’s Grave (สุสานเจ้าเมืองระนอง) This Chinese grave of  Phraya Rattanasetthi (Kho Su Chiang), Ranong’s first governor, is situated on a piece of land dedicated by King Rama V, about 1km away from Ranong provincial town on Highway 4004 (Ranong-Pak Nam). There are 3 tiers of stone platform with steps leading up to the grave with antique granite sculptures of Chinese noblemen, horses, goats and lions on both sides.

Hot Springs and Raksawarin Public Park (บ่อน้ำร้อนและสวนสาธารณะรักษะวาริน) Located about 2km east of the provincial office, the hot springs have been a popular tourist spot ever since King Rama V visited Ranong in 1890, and named the road to the hot springs 'Chon Ra-u', meaning 'hot water'. There are three natural spring pools. The temperature of the water in the pools remains constant at about 65 °C. The water is both potable and suitable for bathing. Bathing in the pools is recommended for both medical treatments and as a relaxing way to ease stress and tension. It is also one of the various sources of water used to make lustral water for the Celebrations on the Auspicious Occasion of His Majesty the King’s 5th Cycle Birthday Anniversary. Surrounding the hot springs is a deep shaded park called “Raksawarin”, where rest pavilions and washrooms have been provided for visitors’ comfort. Nearby Wat Tapotharam also provides bathing rooms for visitors who want to enjoy the healthy mineral water from the thermal springs.

Wat Hat Som Paen (วัดหาดส้มแป้น) Located at Mu 3 Tambon Hat Som Paen, 7km from Ranong provincial town on Highway 4005 (Chon Ra-u Road) or 6km from Raksawarin Park. This temple is on Khlong Hat Som Paen and provides a sanctuary for a shoal of soro brook carp. Besides feeding the fish, visitors to Wat Hat Som Paen can also pay respect to the image of Luangpho Khlai who was much revered by southerners and passed away at this temple.

Wat suwan Khiri (วัดหน้าเมือง) This century-old temple is located within Mueang Ranong Municipality on Highway 4004 (Ranong-Pak Nam). It contains a Burmese style Chedi of over 70 years old and 10 metres in height, which was built by a Burmese, a main ordination hall or Phra Ubosot where a beautifully bejeweled standing Buddha image is enshrined and a belfry decorated with a feline pattern.

Namtok Punyaban (น้ำตกปุญญบาล) Formerly known as Namtok Set Takuat, this 20-metre high waterfall is located at Mu 1 Tambon Bang Non, on the right at Km.597 on Highway No.4 towards Chumphon. A parking area, food shops and souvenirs are available.

Namtok Ton Phet (น้ำตกโตนเพชร) Situated at Mu 4 Tambon Ratchakrut, 29km from Ranong on the Ranong-Phang-nga route. Turn right at Km.641 into a dirt road with a direction sign to the Ranong Boyscout Camp for 2km and another 1.5km walk will lead to the 11-tiered falls. Surrounded by moist evergreen forest with Ranong’s hightest Phota Chong Dong Mountains being the source of water, each tier of the falls cascades down boulders all year round. Visitors are recommended to ask villagers in the area for directions.

Phukhao Ya (Grass Hill) or Khao Hua Lan (Bald Hill) (ภูเขาหญ้าหรือเขาหัวล้าน) Known to locals by a variety of names and endearingly referred to as Thailand’s version of a Swiss pasture, this hill, located in Tambon Ngao on Highway No.4 (Ranong-Phang-nga) about twelve kilometers from downtown Ranong, is something of an anomaly as it is completely treeless, being covered instead by a thick blanket of grass. Numerous walking trails and good vantage points offering unbroken views of the countryside make this hill the most popular in Ranong.

Namtok Ngao National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติน้ำตกหงาว) Covering a total area of approximately 417,500 rai in Amphoe La-un and Amphoe Mueang of Ranong and Amphoe Sawi, Amphoe Thung Tako, Amphoe Lang Suan and Amphoe Phato of Chumphon, it was declared a national park on 3 June, 1999. For information, please contact Namtok Ngao National Park Headquarters, Tambon Ngao, Amphoe Mueang, Ranong 8500, Tel : 0 7784 8181

How to Get There From Ranong, take Highway No.4 (Ranong-Ratchakrut) for approximately 13km, then turn left for another 2km to the headquarters.

Ngao Mangrove Forest Research Centre (ศูนย์วิจัยป่าชายเลนหงาว) Located about 15km from the town centre, the Ngao Mangrove Forest has been declared a World Biosphere Reserve Zone by UNESCO owing to the essential role this mangrove plays in maintaining the region's ecological integrity. Many species of marine life come to the mangrove to mate, incubate their eggs and care for their young until the offspring are strong enough to face the perils of the open sea. The centre offers guided forest walks. Arrangements can be made by writing to the Chief of Ngao Mangrove Forest Research Centre, Mu 4, Ban Lang, Tambon Ngao, Amphoe Mueang, Ranong 85000 at least three weeks in advance of a proposed visit to the centre, Tel. 0 7784 8391-3 or contact Office of Mangrove Resources Conversation, Department of Marine and Coastal Resources, Tel. 0 2298 2649.

Hat Chan Damri (หาดชาญดำริ) Located about nine kilometres from downtown Ranong along Highway No. 4004 (Ranong-Pak Nam) or 8km from the Ranong Governor’s Grave, this small beach and pier, and a nearby hillside viewpoint offer good vantage points from which to witness seafaring life along the mouth of Ranong's principal river. From here visitors can see across to Victoria Point or Ko Song in Myanmar of further out to the many other islands, big and small, which dot the Andaman Sea. The hilltop viewpoint is a particularly good location for watching Ranong's sunsets. The Jansom Thara Resort, situated above the beach, offers boat trips to some of the islands.

Victoria Point or Ko Song (วิคตอเรียพอยท์ หรือ เกาะสอง) As an island in neighbouring Myanmar, Ko Song offers visitors a variety of local products, souvenirs such as wicker basketry,  lacquerware, and gems. Long-tail boats can be hired in Pak Nam Ranong or on the Ranong Pier. The boat ride to Victoria Point takes about 15 minutes each way and costs between 200 and 300 baht. Before embarking on this excursion, visitors must obtain a boarding card issued by the Ranong Immigration Office in Pak Nam Ranong, tel : 0 7782 1216. Jansom Beach Resort also offers tours to Ko Song, Tel. 0 7783 5317-9, Fax : 0 7781 1589 E-mail : jansombeach@yahoo.com

Ko Chang (เกาะช้าง) With an area of 18 square kilometres and 80 homes on the entire island, Ko Chang welcomes visitors with a quiet, unspoiled tropical island ambience. Cashew and para rubber plantations as well as coastal fisheries are the people’s main occupations Ko Chang is also home to oriental pied hornbill. In addition to bird-watching and fishing, there are various other activities for visitors to enjoy. Like Ko Phayam, boats can be chartered from the Ranong Pier. The island can be reached within 1 hour by long-tail boat. There are four beaches on the west of the island. Accommodation is available, please contact Ranong Agricultural office, Tel. 0 7781 1091, 0 7781 2918. E-mail : agristrn@cscoms.com

Ko Phayam (เกาะพยาม) Two hours by boat from the Ranong Pier, Ko Phayam is famous for both its long fine white sandy beaches and for the cashew nuts which are grown on the island. A number of sea gypsies, or Chao Le, live on the island as well. The waters between Ko Phayam and the nearby islands of Ko Hai Hin and Ko Chang often provide excellent game fishing. To get to Ko Phayam, visitors can charter boats from Ranong Pier for about 1,000 baht per trip. Visitors can also charter speedboats from Ko Phayam Resort. Prices range from 2,000 to 4,000 baht, depending on the size of the boat. Reservations can be made by calling 0 7781 2297, 0 1323 0436

Mangrove Arboretum (สวนรุกขชาติป่าชายเลน) Located within Pa Khlong Lamliang-La-un National Reserve area and attached to a concession forest, the mangrove became under concession for 15 years before reforestation under the Khlong La-un Mangrove project in March 1983. Two years later, it was developed into a mangrove arboretum with a 1,500-metre long boardwalk being constructed to facilitate visitors in studying the 25 species of mangrove flora.

Amphoe Kra Buri
Royal Initial Stones (ศิลาสลักพระปรมาภิไธย) At Km.525 on the Chumphon – Ranong route in Tambon Pak Chan, 86km from Ranong, there is an area opposite to Ban Cho Po Ro School where the royal initials of King Rama V were inscribed onto a stone to mark his royal visit by an elephant and horse caravan from Chumphon to stay overnight at Don Wang Thu Pavilion in Tambon Pak Chan on 21 April, 1890. There are also inscriptions of Their Majesties King Bhumibol Adulyadej and Queen Sirikit’s as well as Her Royal Highness Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn’s initials on their royal visit from Chumphon to see their people here on 7 March, 1959. Kho Khot Kra or Kra Isthmus (คอคอดกระ หรือ กิ่วกระ) Located in Ban Thap Li, Tambon Lamu at Km. 545 on Highway No. 4, 66km northeast of the town centre, the Kra Isthmus is the Malay Peninsula’s narrowest point, spanning a mere 44km from the Gulf of Thailand on the east coast to the Andaman Sea on the west coast. There is a large cement map to help orient visitors. The Kra Isthmus provides an excellent vantage point from which to see the Kra Buri River forming a natural boundary between Thailand and Myanmar.

Tham Phra Khayang (ถ้ำพระขยางค์) Formerly known as Tham Khao Yang, the cave is on mountain in Tambon Lamliang, 18km from Amphoe Kra Buri, with a left turn from Phetchakasam Road (Ranong-Chumphon route) for another 1km between Km. 563-564. Despite its small scale, this cave is related to a legend of the establishment of the district. Some 40 metres deep inside, a staircase leads upward and further outside the cave to where some rare herbs are believed to have been grown. The cave has a large flock of bats inhabiting inside. Visitors are recommended to take with them a candle or flashlight. Every year during Chinese New Year, a 3-7 day fair is held for people to gild and pay respect to the Buddha images in the cave, as well as, to admire the cave’s beauty and study the herbs. Namtok Chum Saeng or Namtok Sai Rung (น้ำตกชุมแสงหรือน้ำตกสายรุ้ง) This waterfall is situated at Ban Pak Chan, Tambon Pak Chan, 80km from Ranong on Highway 4 and 16km from Kra Buri (on the way to chumphon) between Km. 529-530. Turn left opposite to the entrance to Ban Pak Chan Self-help Settlement for 3km. It is recommended to visit Namtok Chum Saeng in the rainy season when a lot of water cascades down the boulders in rainbow splashes. This is how it is called “Namtok Sai Rung” or Rainbow Waterfall. Namtok Bok Krai (น้ำตกบกกราย) Located at Mu 8 Tambon Nam Chuet, approximately 54km from Ranong on Highway 4 (Ranong-Chumphon). There is a sign to the waterfall between Km. 556-557 for another 13km. The road is not in good condition all year round, particularly in the rainy season. At the end of the road, a 20-metre walk through farmland and a moist forest will lead to this enormous waterfall that runs throughout the year.

Amphoe Kapoe
Khlong Nakha Wildlife Reserve (เขตรักษาพันธุ์สัตว์ป่าคลองนาคา) From Amphoe Kapoe, take Highway 4 toward Phang-nga for approximately 25km, turn left between Km. 685-686 for another 200 metres to Khlong Nakha Wildlife Reserve Headquarters. This wildlife reserve houses a breathtaking waterfall known as Namtok Phan Met (น้ำตกพันเมตร) amid a stretch of verdant forest. Unlike national park, wildlife reserves are not open for tourism. An overnight stay within the area for educational purposes will require a letter of permission to be presented to the official. Write to the Director, wildlife Conservation Office, National Park, Wildlife and Plant Conservation Department, Bang Khen, Bangkok 10900 Tel. 0 2562 0760, 0 2561 4292-3 ext. 765 Contact at least 15 days in advance.

Laem Son National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติแหลมสน) Declared a national park on 19 August,  1983, it covers a total area of 196, 875 rai, comprising coastal districts from Tambon Ratchakrut, Amphoe Mueang, southward via Tambon Muang Klang, Tambon Kapoe, Tambon Bang Han and Tambon Nakha, Amphoe Kapoe, Ranong province, to Tambon Khura Buri, Amphoe Khura buri, Phang-nga province. It also covers islands in the Andaman Sea; namely, Ko Khangkhao and Mu Ko Kam. The national park headquarters is located at Hat Bang Ben, Mu 4 Tambon Muang Klang, 45km from Ranong on Highway 4 (Ranong-Phang-nga), or 6km from Amphoe Kapoe, with a right turn for another 10km on a dirt road at Km. 657.

The national park has two climates: rainy season with heavy rainfalls during May-November and summer during December-April. Places of interest within the national park include:

Hat Bang Ben (หาดบางเบน) is a long and vast sandy beach shaded by pine trees where the national park headquarters is located. A scenic view of islands in the sea is available from here.

Hat Laem Son (หาดแหลมสน) is a white sandy beach approximately 4km next to Hat Bang Ben. It provides home for various kinds of birds and is ideal for bird-watching and camping.

Hat Praphat or Hat Hin Thung (หาดประพาส หรือ หาดหินทุ่ง) is located at Mu 2 Tambon Kam Phuan, approximately 90km from Ranong on Highway 4 (Ranong-Phang-nga) or 30km from Amphoe Kapoe with a right turnat Km. 702 into a dirt road for another 3km to the national park’s Protection Unit. Similar to Hat Bang Ben, Hat Praphat is a large beach shaded by pine trees.

Ko Khangkhao (เกาะค้างคาว) is an island with fine sandy beaches and a gravel beach known as Hat Hin Ngam in the north. It is approximately 40 minutes by boat from Hat Bang Ben.

Ko Kam Tok or Ko Ao Khao Khwai (เกาะกำตก หรือ เกาะอ่าวเขาควาย) is approximately 20 minutes by boat from Ko Khangkhao and is where a sub-unit of the national park is located to facilitate visitors. It has a bay that curves to nearly make a circle.

Ko Kam Yai (เกาะกำใหญ่) is a scenic island with white sandy beaches almost all around. It is approximately 1 hour and 30 minutes by boat from Hat Bang Ben.

Ko Kam Nui (เกาะกำนุ้ย) is not far from Ko Kam Yai with beaches on one side and many other nearby islets, Laem Son National park provides accommodation and food shops for visitors. For more information, please contact the National Park Office, National Park, Wildlife and Plant Conservation Department at Tel. 0 2562 0760, www.dnp.go.th or Head of Laem Son National Park, Hat Bang Ben, Tambon Muang Klang, Amphoe Kapoe, Ranong.

Amphoe La-un
Khao Fa Chi (เขาฝาชี) So named because of its resemblance to a traditional Thai food cover, Fa Chi hill is located off Highway No. 4 in Tambon Bang Kaeo. The hill provides an excellent vantage from which to see two rivers, the Kra Buri and the La-un, converge. The many river islands formed where these two rivers meet makes the scenery fascinating to behold. Sunsets are often breathtaking. Japanese Warship Wreck near the bridge which crosses the La-un River, history buffs will find the remains of a Japanese military base complete with a warship wreck, underground tunnels and the remains of a railway line. Japanese soldiers used this area as a port of sending support to Burma during the Second World War.

Japanese Shipwreck (ซากเรือรบญี่ปุ่น) Approximately 2km beyond Chao Fa Chi, on the left near the bridge across the La-un River, a wreck of a Japanese logistic warship used in World War II between a pier in Tambon Pak Chan, Amphoe Kra buri and Burma is visible at low tide.

Do
Cruising along the Kra Buri River (การล่องเรือแม่น้ำกระบุรี)  Visitors can independently hire boats at Ranong Pier or take organised tours arranged by the Jansom Travel. As the Kra Buri forms a natural boundary between Thailand and Myanmar, visitors can witness river life in two countries at the same time. The best time for exploring the river is during the dry season (January - April). Visitors are advised to leave early in the morning, so that they can arrive at Kra Buri in time for lunch. The restaurant here features succulent jumbo prawns. Fishing and Diving at Mu Ko Kam (การตกปลา ดำน้ำชมปะการัง หมู่เกาะกำ) The most convenient starting point is Hat Laem Son – Bang Ben. It takes 1 hour and 15 minutes to the fishing/diving spot where corals and fish are in abundance, due to the fact that there are islets providing shelter from winds and waves, as well as that professional fisheries are prohibited within the national park area. Contact Laem Son National Park or Jansom Thara Hotel’s tour service counter. Hiking in Mangrove Forests (การเดินป่าทัศนศึกษาป่าชายเลน)  The mangrove forests along the shore, at the mouths of the rivers, and on islands, though covering a relatively small area of the province, are essential to the region's integrity and continued prosperity. The people of Ranong take pride in having some of the best preserved and protected mangrove forests in the country. Twenty-five of the world's sixty-eight species of mangrove trees can be found in the province. Those who are interested in exploring these fascinating ecosystems can contact the Mangrove Forest Management Unit. Elephant Riding (ขี่ช้าง)  Near the hot springs in Raksawarin Public Park, there is a forest management unit responsible for protecting and maintaining the adjacent forest. Form here, visitors can ride on elephants and tour the jungle, viewing many different species of trees, giant ferns, giant vines and other flora. The trip, organised by the Ranong Chamber of Commerce, will take visitors to waterfalls and out towards the Thai Burmese border. Further information, please contact Tourist Office Centre Tel. 0 7782 5373

Buy
Ranong is renowned for it preserved seafood such as dried shrimps, shrimp paste, as well as cashew nut and dumplings. Other souvenirs such as bags and artificial flowers are also available. All are available at the following shops: Pricha (ร้านปรีชา) 2/24 Tambon Bang Rin, Amphoe Mueang, Tel. 0 7781 2288, 0 1893 9851, shrimp paste, dried shrimps, cashew nuts and dried seafood. Nam Heng (ร้านน่ำเฮง) 155 Rueang Rat Road, Amphoe Mueang, Tel. 0 7783 3237, shrimp paste, dried shrimp and cashew nuts. Han Yok Yuan (ร้านฮั่นหยกหย่วน) 29 Mu 4 Tambon Mamu, Amphoe Kra Buri, Tel. 0 7784 6218-9, Thap Li dumplings. Khao Man Kai Thap Li (ร้านข้าวมันไก่ทับหลี) Ban Thap Li, Tambon Manu, Amphoe Kra Buri, Tel. 0 7784 6075, 0 1895 7319, Thap Li dumplings. Krapao (ร้านกระเป๋า) Soi 15 opposite the Ranong Garden Hotel, Tambon Bang Rin, Amphoe Mueang, Tel. 0 7783 5371, 0 1968 3890, stingray skin bags and artificial flowers from kaolin.

Festivals
Visit Ranong and Andaman Fair (งานเปิดเมืองระนองท่องอันดามัน) Held in December, the Fair features exhibitions by various organizations, booth displays of travel agencies and folk sports activities. Image Boat Procession and Races (งานเสด็จพระแข่งเรือ อำเภอกระบุรี) Held cooperatively by Thai and Burmese people during the 1 st –  3nd  days of the waning moon of the 11 th lunar month, the event features a Buddha image boat competition. Boats will be decorated to carry Buddha images and will float in procession along the Kra Buri River, near the Kra Isthmus, passing by riverside communities. There will be a boat song contest and boat races as well as other forms of entertainment in front of the Kra Buri District Office.

Amphoe Mueang Ranong

 * Asia (เอเซีย) 39 Rueang Rat Road, Tambon Khao Niwet (Tel : 0 7781 1113, 0 7781 1177) 57 rooms : 180-550 baht.

 * Ban Mai 1 (บ้านไม้ ๑) 283 Rueang Rat Road, Tambon Khao Niwet (Tel : 0 7781 2728, 0 9501 5275) 9 rooms : 100-150 baht.

 * Ban Mai 2 (บ้านไม้ ๒)  41/141-143 Tambon Khao Niwet (Tel : 0 7781 0009, 0 9906 1300) 6 rooms : 200-400 baht.

 * Ban Suan Sam Laem Resort (บ้านสวนสามแหลม รีสอร์ท) 170 Mu 5 Tambon Pak Nam (Tel : 0 7782 5700, 0 1891 7180 E-mail : info@samlaemresort.com  www.samlaemresort.com) 10 rooms : 1,200-2,500 baht.

 * Bang San Guest house (บางส้าน เกสต์เฮ้าส์) 225 Rueang Rat Road, Tambon Khao Niwet (Tel : 0 9727 4334) 8 rooms : 90 baht.

 * Boat Guest house (โบ๊ท เกสต์เฮ้าส์)  279 Rueang Rat Road, Tambon Khao Niwet (Tel : 0 7782 3997) 10 rooms : 100-400 baht.

 * Chansom Beach Resort (จันทร์สม บีช รีสอร์ท) 135 Mu. 5  Hat Chandamri, Tambon Pak Nam (Tel : 0 7782 1611, 0 7781 1774-6) 34 rooms : 1,190-2,500 baht

 * Chansom Hot Spa (จันทร์สม ฮอท สปา) 2/10 Mu.1 Phetchakasem Road, Tambon Bang Rin (Tel : 0 7782 2516-9) 208 rooms : 1,100-3,960 baht.
 * Eiffel Inn 160/1-14 Mu.3  Phetchakasem Road, Tambon Bang Rin (Tel : 0 7784 8368-70, 0 7782 3271-2  E-mail : Eiffelinn@hotmail.com    Eiffelinn@yahoo.com) 37 rooms : 600-650 baht.
 * Kasa Terresa Guest house (คาซ่า เทเรซ่า เกสต์เฮ้าส์) 119/18 Tha Mueang Road, Tambon Khao Niwet (Tel : 0 7781 1135 Fax : 0 7783 3465) 30 rooms : 270-700 baht

 * Khao Nang Hong Resort (เขานางหงส์ รีสอร์ท) 123/6 Phraya Rattanasetthi Road, Tambon Pak Nam (Tel : 0 7783 1099, 0 7783 1088) 30 rooms : 1,600-2,000 baht

 * Kiwi Orchid Guest house (กีวี ออร์คิด เกสต์เฮ้าส์) 96/19 Phetchakasem Road, Tambon Bang Rin (Tel : 0 7783 2812) 7 rooms : 200-250 baht

 * K.R. mansion (เค.อาร์ แมนชั่น) 999 Mu. 3 Phetchakasem Road, Tambon Bang Non (Tel : 0 7781 3425-8, Fax : 0 7783 1201) 60 rooms : 400-450 baht

 * Puang Guest house (ผึ้ง เกสต์เฮ้าท์) 6/12 Mu 5 Tambon Bang Non (Tel : 0 7782 5176) 9 rooms : 120-350 baht.

 * P.P. Ranong (พีพี ระนอง) 27/83 Mu 5  Saphan Pla Road, Tambon Bang Rin (Tel : 0 7783 3808) 18 rooms : 430-490 baht.

 * Ranong Garden (ระนอง การ์เด้นส์) 6/54 Mu.1 Phetchakasem Road, Tambon Bang Rin (Tel : 0 7783 2174-80 93 rooms : 594-660 baht.

 * Ranong Inn (ระนอง อินน์) 29/9 Phetchakasem Road (Tel : 0 7782 2777, 0 7782 2815) 72 rooms : 300-450 baht

 * Rattanasin (รัตนสิน) 226 Rueang Rat Road (Tel : 0 7781 1242) 30 rooms : 100-170 baht.

 * Royal Princess (รอยัล ปริ๊นเซส) 41/144 Tha Mueang Road, Tambon Khao Niwet (Tel : 0 7783 5240-4 E-mail :  ranong@dusit.com)138 rooms : 2,100-8,000 baht.

 * Sin Ranong (สินระนอง) 26/23-4 Rueang Rat Road (Tel : 0 7781 1454, 0 7781 2836) 76 rooms : 180-230 baht.

 * Sin Thawee (สินทวี) 81/1-2 Rueang Rat Road (Tel : 0 7782 2771-2, 0 7781 1213) 49 rooms : 200-560 baht.

 * Spa Innn (สปา อินน์) 1/15 Phetchakasem Road, Tambon Khao Niwet (Tel : 0 7781 1715, 0 7783 2692) 58 rooms : 380-480 baht.
 * Thanatwan Palace (ธนัตวรรณ พาเลซ) 16/7-8 Chon Ra-u Road (Tel : 0 7782 1857, 0 7781 2212 Fax : 0 7782 2808) 50 rooms : 150-700 baht.

 * Than Sila Resort (ธารศิลา รีสอร์ท) 129/2 Mu 1 Tambon Bang Rin (Tel : 0 7782 3405, 0 6519 9356, 0 6811 4111   BKK.office Tel : 0 2628 7144 E-mail : thansilaresort@hotmail.com) 20 rooms : 250-600 baht.

 * The Spring Guest house (เดอะ สปริง เกสต์เฮ้าส์) 1/2 Chon Ra-u Road, Tambon Khao Niwet (Tel : 0 7783 4369, 0 7781 2817) 9 rooms : 80-200 baht.

Amphoe Kapoe

 * Andaman Beach Resort (อันดามัน พีซ รีสอร์ท) 11/2 Tambon Muang Klang (Tel : 0 7782 0239)  17 rooms : 400-600 baht

 * Wasana Resort (วาสนา รีสอร์ท) 36/9 Mu. 4 Tambon Muang Klang  SAM NAK POLICE BOX        8 rooms :   400.600. 750  aircondition and tv and free wi.fi.  tel. 077   861434 bang ben beach   free pick up from sam nak to  wasana call me!

Ko Chang

 * Ao Lek Bungalow (อ่าวเล็ก บังกะโล) Ao Lek Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam, 8 rooms : 100-250 baht.
 * Cashew Bungalow (แคทชู บังกะโล) 1/43 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0116, 0 1485 6002) 33 rooms : 200-500 baht
 * Chang Thong Bungalow (ช้างทอง บังกะโล) 121 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 07782 0178, 0 3866 3774, 0 7263 5688) 13 rooms : 100-200 baht.
 * Contact (คอนแทค) 1/43 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0118) 15 rooms : 150-300 baht.
 * Crocodile Rock Bungalow (คร๊อกโคไดส์ ร็อค บังกะโล) 2/23 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 4837 5089) 6 rooms : 200-250 baht.
 * Eden Bungalow (อีเดน บังกะโล) 1/49 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0172)  7 rooms : 250-300 baht.
 * Erawan Bungalow (เอราวัณ บังกะโล) 1/6 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0083, 0 7853 4654, 0 9873 3026) 7 rooms : 200-300 baht.
 * Full Moon Bungalow (ฟูลมูน บังกะโล) 2/12 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0130) 9 rooms : 100-300 baht.
 * Golden Bee Bungalow (โกลเด้น บี บังกะโล) 1/39 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7889 9613) 24 rooms : 150-250 baht.
 * Hornbill Bungalow (ฮอร์นบิล บังกะโล) 1/44 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0134, 0 2807 1906) 8 rooms : 180-250 baht.
 * Ko Chang Resort (เกาะช้าง รีสอร์ท) 2/3 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0176, 0 1896 1839) www.kohchangresortranong.com 18 rooms : 150-200 baht.
 * Kok Kram Ko Chang Resort (โคกคราม เกาะช้าง รีสอร์ท) Ao Lek Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7781 2728, 0 9501 5275, 0 9546 9301, 0 1822 5096) 9 rooms : 200 baht.
 * Lae Tawan Bangalow (แลตะวัน บังกะโล) 119/2 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0179, 0 6162 2480, 0 1788 5683) 16 rooms : 150-300 baht.
 * Long Beach Bungalow (ลองบีช บังกะโล) 1/7 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0172) 6 rooms : 150-200 baht.
 * Mama Bungalow (มามา บังกะโล) 119 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0180, 0 1082 2159) 8 rooms : 100-300 baht.
 * N & X Bungalow (เอ็น แอนด์ เอ็กซ์ บังกะโล) 108 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 5752) 15 rooms : 100-150 baht.
 * Nature View Bungalow (เนเจอร์ วิว บังกะโล) 2/10 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam, 4 rooms : 200-300 baht.
 * Paradise Bungalow (พาราไดร์ บังกะโล) 3 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 1078 3143) 11 rooms : 100-300 baht.
 * Phanatip Bungalow (พนาทิพย์ บังกะโล) Ao Lek Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7265 0235, 0 9290 5641) 5 rooms : 200 baht.
 * Resort Sawasdee (รีสอร์ท สวัสดี) 2/25 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0177,081-803 0946) email:sawasdeekohchang@yahoo.com   9 rooms : 350-550baht fon nui.
 * Rock Sand Bungalow (ร็อค แซนด์ บังกะโล) Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0134, 0 2807 1906) 4 rooms : 100 baht.
 * Sabai Jai Bungalow (สบายใจ บังกะโล) 3/2 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 6278 4112) 16 rooms : 150-300 baht.
 * Saphan Hin Bungalow (สะพานหิน บังกะโล) Ao Saphan Hin Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam, 4 rooms : 100 baht
 * Sea Eagle Bungalow (ซี อีเกิล บังกะโล) 1/53 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7885 4460, 0 1894 5665) 10 rooms : 100-250 baht
 * Sunset Bungalow (ซันเซ็ท บังกะโล) 1/47 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0171) 15 rooms : 100-300 baht.
 * Ta Daeng Bay (ตาแดง เบย์) 1/2 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam  7 rooms : 150-250 baht.
 * Tommy Bungalow (ทอมมี่ บังกะโล) 2/19 Mu 2 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 6269 8752) 11 rooms : 100-200 baht.

Ko Phayam

 * A Chan Phan Bungalow (อาจารย์พันธ์ บังกะโล) 79 Mu 1 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7278 3245) 5 rooms : 300 baht.
 * A-Nan Bungalow (อนันต์ บังกะโล) 80 Mu 1 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0338, 0 7105 1896) 4 rooms : 200-300 baht.
 * Andamanburi Resort (อันดามันบุรี รีสอร์ท) 1/12 Mu 1 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 8096-100, 0 9469 3699, 0 1904 7221, 0 1640 7744) 10 rooms : 1,000-3,000 baht.
 * Ao Yai bungalow (อ่าวใหญ่ บังกะโล) 31 Mu 1 Tambon ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 1753, 0 9819 8772) 16 rooms : 200-500 baht.
 * Bamboo Bungalow (แบมบู บังกะโล) 56 Mu 1 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0012, 0 1273 3437) 25 rooms : 100-550 baht.
 * Ban Suan Ka Yu (บ้านสวนกาหยู) 15 Mu 1 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0133, 0 9200 5620, 0 1761 2561, 0 1863 8032) 21 rooms : 150-500 baht.
 * Big Tree Bungalow (บิ๊กทรี บังกะโล) 31/5 Mu 1 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0504, 0 6953 5648) 9 rooms : 100-500 baht.
 * Chansom Bungalow Ko Phayam (จันทร์สม บังกะโล เกาะพยาม) Mu 1 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7783 5317-9) 20 rooms : 200-800 baht.
 * Coconut Bungalow (โคโค่นัท บังกะโล) 14 Mu 1 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0010, 0 7279 1479, 0 9920 8145) 20 rooms : 200-800 baht.
 * Hornbill (ฮอร์นบิล) 53 Mu 1 Tambon Ko Phayam ( Tel : 0 7782 5543, 0 1891 6008 www.hornbill.com ) 17 rooms : 200-800 baht.
 * Khao Khwai Hill Bungalow (เขาควายฮิลล์ บังกะโล) 17/1 Mu 1 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 1847 6285) 9 rooms : 200-250 baht.
 * Ko Phayam Resort (เกาะพยาม รีสอร์ท) 35 Mu 1 Tambon  Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0103, 0 1270 7858 Fax : 0 7781 2297) 10 rooms : 500-2,500 baht.
 * Kunchae Thong Bungalow(กุญแจทอง บังกะโล) mu 1 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7781 2202) 8 rooms : 300-500 baht.
 * Lotus bungalow (โลตัส บังกะโล) Mu 1 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7118 3504 www.waterlilyresort.com ) 12 rooms : 150-250 baht.
 * Lung Daeng Bungalow (ลุงแดง บังกะโล) 4 rooms 150-200 baht.
 * Mountain bungalow (เมาท์เทน บังกะโล) Mu 1 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0098) 5 rooms : 350 baht.
 * Mr. Khao Bungalow (มิสเตอร์เก้า บังกะโล) 47 Mu 1 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 3995 ) 9 rooms : 200-700 baht.
 * Sai Thong Bungalow (สายทอง บังกะโล) mu 1 Tambon ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0466 ) 5 rooms : 200-250 baht.
 * Silver Sand Bungalow (ซิลเวอร์ แซนด์ บังกะโล) 31/8 Mu 1 tambon ko Phayam (Tel : 0 1554 1371) 14 rooms : 600-800 baht.
 * Smile Hut (สมาย ฮัท) 14/6 Mu 1 Tambon ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 0335, 0 1838 4600 E-mail : thaismilehut@yahoo.com ) 40 rooms : 200-400 baht.
 * Sunrise bungalow (ซันไรส์ บังกะโล) 1/2 Mu 1 Tambon Ko Phayam, 4 rooms : 100-150 baht.
 * Wichit Bungalow (วิจิตร บังกะโล) 5/3 Mu 1 Tambon Ko Phayam (Tel : 0 7782 3962, 0 7782 0344 ) 14 rooms : 150-500 baht.

Amphoe Mueang Ranong

 * Ban Suan Sam Laem ( บ้านสวนสามแหลม ) 170 Mu 5 Tambon Pak nam ( Tel : 0 7782 5700, 0 1891 7180)
 * Che Hiang (เจ๊เฮียง) 11/3 Phetchakasem Road, Tambon Rajachakut ( Tel : 0 7784 0114, 0 77840034 )
 * Esso ( เอสโซ่ ) 101/5 Phetchakasem Road, Tambon bang Rin ( Tel : 0 7781 1224)
 * Fueang Fa (Ranong Garden) (เฟื่องฟ้า ระนองการ์เด้น) 6/54 Phetchakasem Road ( Tel : 0 7783 2174-81)
 * J & T (เจ แอนด์ ที) 267 Rueang Rat Road, Tambon Khao Niwet (Tel : 0 7783 2483)
 * Krua Charoen (ครัวเจริญ) 130/121 Tha Muang Road, (Tel : 0 7782 1592, 0 7781 2167)
 * Krua Khao Niwet (ครัวเขานิเวศน์) 4/8 Lu Wang Road, Tambon Khao Niwet
 * Krua Nam Rae (Eiffel Inn) (ครัวน้ำแร่) 160/1-14 Mu 3 Phetchakasem Road, Tambon Bang Rin (Tel : 0 7784 8368-70)
 * Krua Ranong (ครัวระนอง) 1/15 Chon Ra-u Road, Tambon Khao Niwet (Inside Spa Inn Hotel) (Tel : 0 7781 1715)

 * Lae Le (Chansom Beach Resort) (แลเล จันทร์สม บีช รีสอร์ท) 135 Mu 5 Tambon Pak Nam (Tel : 0 7782 1611)

 * Pai Kiao (ไผ่เขียว) 33/3 Mu 1 Tambon Sai Daeng (Tel : 0 7784 7058)

 * Pak Nam Seafood (ปากน้ำ ซีฟู๊ด) 99 Mu 5 Tambon Pak Nam (Tel : 0 7781 2497, 0 7894 0401)

 * Palm Court (Chansom Tara) (ห้องอาหารปาล์มคอร์ท จันทร์สมธารา) 2/10 Mu 1 Phetchakasem Road, Tambon Bang Rin (Tel : 0 7782 2516-9)

 * Pet Yang Hong Kong (เป็ดย่างฮ่องกง) 5/25 Lu Wang Road, Tambon Khao Niwet (Tel : 0 7783 4765)

 * Poem Poon (เพิ่มพูน) 157/1 Mu 3 Phetchakasem Road, Tambon Bang Non (Tel : 0 7782 1400, 0 1537 1006)

 * Ran Ban Am Pa Wa (ร้านบ้านอัมพวา) 91/9 Mu 2 Tambon Hat Som Paen (Tel : 0 7781 2192)

 * Somboon Photchana (สมบูรณ์โภชนา) 2/63 Phetchakasem Road, Tambon Bang Rin (Tel : 0 7783 3300, 0 7782 2722, 0 1477 1632)

 * Suan Mang Kut (สวนมังคุด) 20/1 Mu 1 Phetchakasem Road, Tambon Bang Rin (Tel : 0 7782 1964, 0 7783 0331)

 * Suda House (สุดา เฮ้าส์) 311/1 Sueang Rat Road (Tel : 0 7783 5293)

 * Thot Rong Tao (ถอดรองเท้า) 12/2 Kit Phadung Road, Tambon Khao Niwet (Tel : 0 7782 2964)

 * Wee Tiang (หวีเตียง) 159 Rueang Rat Road, Tambon Khao Niwet (Tel : 0 7781 1155)

Amphoe Kra Buri

 * Ran Tha Ruea (ร้านท่าเรือ) 4 Mu 3 Rim Mae Nam Kra Buri, Sut Sakhon Road, Tambon Nam Chuet (Tel : 0 7789 1060, 0 7789 1035)
 * Ran Yok Yuan (ร้านหยกหยวน) 29 Mu 4 Talat Tap Li, Tambon Mamu (Tel : 0 7784 6218)
 * Salabao Thap Li (ซาลาเปาทับหลี) Phetchakasem Road, K.m. 54

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 16:46, 5 February 2010 (EST)

title: Talk:Ranong/Listings


text:
Talk:Ranthambhore National Park

Deleted most of the article, apparent copyvio from http://www.ranthambhore.com/park.html. (WT-en) Pashley 20:10, 14 September 2006 (EDT)

title: Talk:Ranthambhore National Park


text:
Talk:Rarang

Rarang Himachal Pardesh.
Rarang is one of the beautiful jewel in the valley of Himachal Pardesh. This place is full of lush green beauty which is surrounded him all over.

Proposed deletion of content and Redirect
There is another page for Rarang (Kinnaur) which describes Rarang. This page appears to be a Hindi phrasebook, but there is already a detailed Hindi phrasebook page on Wikivoyage. Unless Rarang has some special importance to the Hindi language, I propose that the information on this page is deleted, and the page redirected to Rarang (Kinnaur). Does anyone have any comments? (WT-en) Chris1515 18:26, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

VFD Discussion

 * Delete content and redirect. The talk page indicates that this is a Hindi phrasebook. I looked at a few entries and they appear to be included on the Hindi page, but I don't know the language to validate the claim. It appears this is the name of a town, not a language. (WT-en) Bill in STL 20:38, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

 * Redirect to Sarahan (Rarang looks to be an obscure location next door). --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:16, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

Result: Redirected to Sarahan. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:45, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

title: Talk:Rarang


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Talk:Rasht

An anon user contributed what looked like some useful information about this town. I've managed to make most of it into standard English, but couldn't parse this bit:

 * the best kolah farangi, park ghods, danai ali,ghabre mirza ...

Maybe somebody else can. -- (WT-en) Mark 05:50, 1 May 2004 (EDT)

Price
"There are a few daily flights from Tehran. Most of these depart either early in the morning or late afternoon. Seeing the Alborz mountains from the air is quite an experience. The fare is around IRR 150,000 one-way." Could someone confirm or update the price above? There was an anonymous comment saying it was an "old price". (WT-en) Maj 22:30, 21 January 2007 (EST)

Karoush Restaurant
This edit can't stand because of the Pronouns guidelines, but should we simply delete the listing? If this account is accurate, I don't think we should list the place. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:43, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

title: Talk:Rasht


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Talk:Ratchaburi

TAT Listings
Moved some TAT listings to Talk:Ratchaburi/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 00:09, 3 February 2010 (EST)

title: Talk:Ratchaburi