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Talk:Lüneburg Heath

Infobox
We don't use this kind of box for regions, so I'm putting this here.(WT-en) texugo 09:59, 3 November 2011 (EDT)

Lüneburg Heath

 * Swept in from pub.

Hi folks. Can someone please check out the Lüneburg Heath and advise what it needs to be brought to usable and, ideally, guide standard? Cheers. --(WT-en) SaxonWarrior 15:58, 31 October 2011 (EDT)

 * For starters:
 * The infobox must go. There was the possibility that some of us would let you test it for state level region articles, but it hasn't got a green light, and there was never talk of letting it stay on lower level region pages like this.
 * The See and Do sections should not have full listings like that. It should be an overview of what's to see and do in the area with nothing but a pointer to the destination article and a short description (preferably not an exact copy of the one in the destination article). There shouldn't be addresses, phone numbers, hours, prices, websites, or any of the other detailed info here. All of that stuff goes only in the appropriate city article.
 * What itineraries? Blank that part.
 * What you have in the Other destinations section should probably be adapted as a Do listing instead. That section is really for islands, national parks, and the like.
 * (WT-en) texugo 03:10, 1 November 2011 (EDT)

List of cities
I have (years ago) been to this area and I remember it as largely rural. Now of course this impression may be mistaken, but do we really have to list so many "cities"? It flies in the face of our 7+/-2 rule on the one hand and on the other hand I can't really see how subdividing this region would make any amount of sense... Maybe some of those could be consolidated in some way? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:39, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

 * The rule is, if it makes no sense to subdivide a region further, all cities in the region must be listed. Don't delete any of them from the list, because then they would be linked from no regional article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:25, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * This week I consolidated 3 small villages in this region in to other articless and moved one article that belong to another region. Could not see any other obvious candidates for merging and those that are left are in a reasonable state. In fact with a little work (say in get around section) this region could be set to guide status. --Traveler100 (talk) 07:06, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clearing that up. Getting this to guide would be really great, as it would make it only the twenty-second region article so honored Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:06, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

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We should merge Cape Agulhas and L'Agulhas into Agulhas, I see 2 halve (or less) articles which barely can make one. The cape and the village are less than 1km apart, so why not simplify life a little bit.(WT-en) Babbelas 11:20, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Learning Devanagari

Other scripts needed
I wish there are other scriptbooks for Tamil, Lao, Thai, Kannada, Khmer, Sinhala, Oriya, Bengali, Ge'ez, Malayalam, Telugu, you get the picture. How about turning to Omniglot for inspiration? – (WT-en) CurvyEthyl 02:27, 10 October 2010 (EDT)
 * It might be a good idea, but we have to understand that Wikivoyage is a travel guide, not a language school. If you want to create a guide to learn a new language or a new writing system, you can use Wikibooks and Wikiversity. I think we should create scriptbooks for complex writing systems if they are used by multiple languages and if they cannot be covered in a single language phrasebook. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 07:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

 * @Sbb1413 So.. should we move it to Wikibooks then? Veracious (talk) 04:19, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We should not move this scriptbook to Wikibooks, because it serves as the common spelling and pronunciation guide for several phrasebooks like Hindi, Maithili, Marathi, Nepali and other languages using Devanagari. We can also create Learning Arabic script, which will serve as the common spelling and pronunciation guide for phrasebooks like Arabic, Persian, Punjabi (Pakistan), Sindhi, Urdu etc. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 07:08, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I think the criteria for new scriptbooks should be as follows:
 * The writing system should be used by multiple major languages and it is not associated with a particular one.
 * The phonology of the users should be similar.
 * The writing system should be too complex to be covered in a language phrasebook.
 * Devanagari and Arabic scripts satisfy the above criteria, while Bengali–Assamese (my native script) and Cyrillic scripts don't satisfy them. Bengali–Assamese is associated with Bengali and Assamese, and there are only three major languages using the script (Bengali, Assamese and Manipuri). Although Cyrillic is used by multiple languages across Eurasia, the writing system is very easy to learn. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 07:27, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, any scriptbook should be written with travellers in mind, per ttcf. It should not become a comprehensive script course with nitty-gritty details. The scriptbook should be brief enough for travellers to read and understand the writing system. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 07:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Leave-no-trace camping

Um. Why not just plain old Camping, as we don't have that page yet? (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:20, 23 March 2006 (EST)

 * For the same reason I wrote Isle Royale National Park instead of working on Upper Peninsula (Michigan): It's a manageable subject I know about and wanted to write about. Camping is a big topic, and I don't really have much to say about RV camping, trailer camping, etc.  Maybe I could step back and do Backpacking, but that's about as broad as I'd care to try. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 12:52, 23 March 2006 (EST)

Get In
I don't know that listing specific places is necessarily the best content for this section, as I would say that No Trace camping is encouraged in more places than you can list. Really, it should be any and every camping trip that adheres to no trace. I can at least say from experience that every place I've been to in the Smokies and surrounding forests ask for no trace camping. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 13:50, 23 March 2006 (EST)

 * If a standard header doesn't make sense or doesn't apply in the context of an article you should feel free to drop it. I'm not sure we should get in the habit of listing the places that feature Leave-no-trace camping, as I can think of 100+ canidates in British Columbia alone, and if they are all added it will soon lead to an unruly list. If someone wants to see which places this applies to they can click on "what links here". However, I think this is a travel topic worthy of a separate article, and I intend to link to it from Mount Robson Provincial Park and others when I get to them. Good work! -- (WT-en) bulliver 13:57, 23 March 2006 (EST)

 * I used "Get in" as a section header only after I decided to include the section, as a way to re-appropriating the official MoS headers, but you're right: the section was a short-sighted idea and I've removed it. Incidentally, I just added a "Buy" section, not because it's required, but because that seemed an apt header for the section about not taking stuff. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 14:22, 23 March 2006 (EST)

Anonymous comments that were reverted
User:(WT-en) Sapphire reverted the following edit by an anonymous user.
 * {edited by ollo:) This is absolute crap you methods you suggest will only serve to distance people from the environment by placing us as higher beings above animals who we should only observe. We are as big a part of nature as anything, if you have fruit rmeains drop them if you have a fire have one but use dead wood and be sensible, it is so obvious this was written from an american point of view that demands all of the countryside and forests be absolute wilderness. Im sorry, but guys have a ncie time in the woods and be respectful but dont listen to this bullshitter. Do you think a beaver "leaves no trace" in tis natural habitat?

I think this accusation needs to be discussed rather than simply reverted. It is not vandalism but legitimate comment. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:27, 30 April 2006 (EDT)

 * I see his point, but this isn't really an appropriate venue to debate humanity's relationship with the environment. This article describes the principles of "Leave No Trace" and how they apply to camping.  Granted, it generally advocates them (you can't explain the point of them without doing that) and maybe the intro should better acknowledge that some people sincerely don't see the point of them, but the text of the article isn't dogmatic (e.g. it says pretty much the same thing ollo does about fires, but more constructively), and the traveler is free to decide for themself whether they agree with the thinking behind these principles and how closely to follow them.  (Except of course that they're required by local regs in many places.) - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 08:34, 30 April 2006 (EDT)
 * I agree. I dont think we need to have a long counter-point to every travel topic ("Some people do not like scuba diving for the following reasons:...") If you don't want to do Leave-no-trace-camping, then don't. But for folks who are interested in how it work, here's the info they need... It may be an "American thing" but Gap year travel is a "British thing" so I don't think we exclude topics that are someplace-centric out of hand... Of course it's worth noting this it's a popular idea in the US or from the US or however you want to phrase it. (WT-en) Majnoona 13:37, 30 April 2006 (EDT)

Understand
I think this can be reworded to something a little more practical. (Full disclosure: I'm an eco-spaz myself, but this is a little too preachy for a travel guide...)

''As the human population has grown into the billions and spread itself over most of the habitable portions of the planet, there are few truly "unspoiled" natural areas left. In the past century, we've become increasingly aware of the negative impact that human presence can have on these environments. And yet, because the environments we live in have become so unnatural, many of us want to get out of them and experience that wilderness, like our ancestors (or even our grandparents) once could. Not surprisingly, many wilderness areas are now being overrun by exploding numbers of visitors, risking the very character that draws us to them. Leave-no-trace camping is a set of compromises to deal with that dilemma. Without them, the only alternatives are: A) destroy the remaining wilderness, or B) stay out of it. On a less grand and apocalyptic level, leave-no-trace camping is a courtesy to the people who'll be visiting the same place the next day or the next week. It gives them a chance to experience it the same way you did. If you plan on returning there yourself someday, it'll help preserve the experience for you.

Pragmatically, the authorities who manage the place you want to visit may require that you follow leave-no-trace practices.''

Eating no trace part is way too scifi!!
In any hot or cold travel situations any traveler must eat hot meal which means you must cook your meal at least with compact gas stove. In cold traveling condition it is already clear without hot meal any dry or packed meal quickly turn into stomackake most of the time. In hot travel condition too those food source quickly catch rotting bacterias and you get stomackake. The writers really need to learn from traditional hunters survival techniques. Many of the text parts reads like something scifi survival travel guide on planet Pandora!! Get it real please! Orgio89 (talk) 16:01, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Plus Getting Around part is also too funny to read!! You must mostly follow the animal made trails in nature to quickly reach to water source or avoiding any dangers like hidden pits or dangerous plants or snake pits in that area. I'll try to fix those parts or someone please correct those Survival guides on planet Pandora!! Orgio89 (talk) 16:09, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Lebanese Arabic phrasebook

Okay, I've started creating this phrasebook. A couple of comments on what I've done:
 * I tossed up with myself as to whether a more appropriate name would be 'Lebanese Arabic phrasebook' or 'Arabic (Lebanese) phrasebook'. The nearest thing to a precedent I found was a request for a Swiss German phrasebook (which has not been created yet) so I've gone that way; I'm easy either way though.

 * The pronunciation guide was kind of difficult - I was trying to balance accuracy with ease of reading. I hope I've succeeded (the only one I'm not comfortable with is 'Th' as a transliteration for the letter thal).  I'd welcome any comments.  Having done that, I don't think there are too many differences between this pronunication and other dialects, so it might be reusable.

 * In Beirut (and maybe other cities, I don't know), people tend to pronounce 'q' as a glottal stop (kind of like the 'tt' in "bottle" in the cockney accent). In the mountains, however, they tend to pronounce it properly (as here).  Any thoughts on which I should use here?  Obviously the Lebanese listner will understand either.

 * It'll probably take me a few weeks to get through all of this - I'm not a native Arabic speaker and I will need to get someone to help me with some of the more obscure phrases (I've never had to say "uphill" or "downhill" in Arabic :) In the meantime, please feel free to jump in!

Otherwise, let me know any thoughts and I'll be happy to try and incorporate them. (WT-en) Aholcombe 03:28, 2 Sep 2005 (EDT)

 * I think you've done a fine job so far, and have modeled some of my Jordanian Arabic phrasebook after your patterns in order to maintain conformity. Concerning the 'q', I have chosen to include it in pronunciations since, as you have said, it can be understood by both those who use it and those who omit it. - (WT-en) Cybjorg 04:22, 17 Feb 2006 (EST)

dont use the qaf here would be better cause in mine opinion its more often that lebs dont use it, and so we have also a variation for the ppl here

English and French
Lot's of nice work here. Considering especially that this should be usable for Syria, not only Lebanon (and of course understood without problems in Palestine and Jordan). Mahattat el-train won't get you far in Syria finst (and btw, whenever would you use this in Lebanon?) I think we should consider the use of French and English. This is indeed very special for Beirut and Lebanon. I'd primarily use the arabic forms and then maybe but the French in paranthesis and label clearly that it's french. (WT-en) Lakerhaug

 * That's what the French phrasebook is for. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:33, 30 October 2006 (EST)

7
you'd forgotten to explain the 7a. I wrote something, maybe y'all will find it proper. And also I've considered h an "easy" consonant, as it occurs in English. Whether a sound is easy or not depends on your mother tongue, so this is English-based.

i couldnt find the pronunciation for the sound that is represented by '2'. would someone say how this is pronounced please?

 * a glottal stop (IPA: ʔ), or the constriction of the throat as between the syllables uh-oh, but in Arabic this is often found in strange places such as the beginning of a word. Known in Arabic as hamza ء (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:47, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

3
like the sound represented by "aargh"???? But you show it in Yes/Na3am. Do you mean this would be Naaargham? I never hear that when people say it. If you just mean the 'a' sound in aargh maybe that point should be clarified?

Letters and spelling
Hello,

A few years back I made a system of writing the Lebanese Language using Latin letters. It is case insensitive, and is pronounced as spelt. It would be feasible to use this in the phrasebook, and should (in general) be easier to foreigners than numbers. What do you think?

A description of the system follows.

Letters
The consonants are pronounced the same, except that c = sh, and x = 3. In addition, I added unicode letters for the rest of the (non-english) consonants.

 * Ɔ or ɔ = 2
 * Ḋ or ḋ = D (ḋajje, noise)
 * Ġ or ġ = gh
 * Ḣ or ḣ = 7
 * Ḱ or ḱ = kh
 * Ṅ or ṅ = nasal "n", like in the French "Jean"
 * Ṡ or ṡ = S (ṡéd, hunting)
 * Ṫ or ṫ = T (ṫiyyàra, plane)
 * Ż or ż = heavy z (żamaṫ, he escaped)

The 5 vowels are pronounced practically identically to the Spanish or Japanese versions:

 * a = akl (food)
 * e = esm (name)
 * i = iḋràb (strike)
 * o = oṡṡa (story)
 * u = bukra (tomorrow)

The "acute accent" extends the base vowels in time:
 * á = ál (he said)
 * é = ém (he got up)
 * í = íd (hand)
 * ó = bóṫ (shoe)
 * ú = úm (get up)

The "grave accent" is vowel specific:
 * à = ḱwàrne (priests. Extension of "ù")
 * è = bèy (father)
 * ì = mìster (English pronunciation of master; usually encountered in names. Extension of "è")
 * ò = motòr
 * ù = Ùlla (God)

Note that à and ù are not used before or after ḋ,q,ṡ,ṫ,ż. Instead, á and a are used.

Spelling
As mentioned above, Lebanese is spell as you speak.

There are some contractions such as "wel" for "w el", "mnel" for "men el", "xal" for "xa l", and so on. "And" is "w", and "the" is "el". It is contracted to "l" after a vowel.

There is no need to have a "ɔ" in the beginning of a word if it starts with a vowel. So, you can have "ɔsúd" (lions), but not "ɔasad" (a lion; asad).

When using verbs, the "b" (xam békol, xam byiktob), is always attached, unless the letter after it is a consonant followed by a vowel [then, it is "bi " (xam bi ṡír, not xam byṡír) or "bet" (xam bet ṡír)], or a consonant [then it is "byi" (byistaxmel) or "bte" (xam btestaxmel)].

Suggestions

 * There have been many requests from users of my script to add a third mark (for the "u"), to represent a sound that is present in the word "muc" (not), and many French loanwords, such as rue. The suggested accents were ü for the short version, and û for the extended version. (They would become müc, and rû, respectively).

 * Another suggestion was that ö be added as well, for words like feu (feu rouge).

 * Another suggestion was to use original spellings when words were borrowed, and have retained the same pronunciation. (e.g. computer would not become kompyúter, and rue would not become rû). This would eliminate the need for the extra diacritics (except the ü for müc), and keep spelling simple.

 * Finally, it was suggested that exceptions (such as muc), be allowed.

Which one do you think is best?

(WT-en) Jeannassar5 02:01, 24 April 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Lebanon

Warning
Should the warning box be expired or updated at this point? (WT-en) Maj 14:43, 15 October 2006 (EDT)

Warning Box Updated
Changed the language of the warning box to better reflect the situation in Lebanon, and also the actual language of the State Department's travel warning to American citizens - Will Donovan [mailto:will.donovan@dailystar.com.lb]

Driving
It looks like this sessions has been written by someone angry with the country. I visited Lebanon, drove it from the northern tip to the southern tip and, despite agreeing that rules are not often followed, that we can get lost easily because of lack of signs and there is much traffic, the condition of the roads was excellent and does not match at all the description given on this page.

DRIVING
I HAVE TO AGREE. AS IT SAYS ABOVE, THE CONDITION OF THE ROADS IN LEBANON IS NOT THAT BAD, THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN PRETTY GREAT CONDITION BUT OF COURSE THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS LIKE IN EVERY COUNTRY.

Regions
It says there are 6 regions of Lebanon, but only five are listed. It seems like Nabatieh is missing... What shall we do? Should it be incorporated as part of South Libanon (which would make 5 regions), or could it suffice as it's own region? Seeing the little amount of content, I think it's best to just include it with South. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 18:14, 5 January 2010 (EST)

7 2 Other destinations
This is not a bottom level region article, so we can have just 9 other destinations listed. But right now there are 15 of them, and all but three are redlinks. I would suggest removing all the redlinked entries. --ϒpsilon (talk) 08:29, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

 * That seems reasonable to me, but I think the rest of them could be moved here, because they might be useful in region articles if they aren't already there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:08, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

 * Good idea. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:14, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

 * Batroun— an old city on the Mediterranean shore, with a city center offering many restaurants, cafes, bars, and nightclubs.
 * Bcharre - Surrounded by mountains, it's a gateway to the Cedars of God forest and Cedars ski slopes.
 * Ehden - mountainous town with beautiful scenery and some sights. It's home to Ehden Nature Reserve.
 * Barouk - Famous for its cedar forest.
 * Beiteddine - Famous for its palace.
 * Baskinta - Village at the foot of Mount Sannine.
 * Qornet El-Sawda - Highest peak in the country.
 * Mzaar Kfardebiane - Known for its skiing slopes.
 * Qaraoun - Known for its lake located in the Beqaa Valley.
 * Kefraya - Known for its vineyards.
 * Brummana - A traditional town often considered a summer resort with pleasant weather, spectacular views of Beirut and a good nightlife.
 * Al Shouf Cedar Nature Reserve - This 550 km2 (210 sq mi) natural reserve offers hiking tracks among millenarian Cedars. Accessible from Niha, Barouk, Maaser el Shouf, Ain Zhalta and Aammiq.

Currency, time and spelling conventions
Below is a proposed infobox to let readers know which formatting conventions to use in Wikivoyage articles. Do you agree with these proposals? If you have direct knowledge of what is most commonly used in the country, please let us know. Ground Zero (talk) 04:47, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Moved to the top of this page. Ground Zero (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Levant
I agree with User:SHB2000, readers of a travel guide who have chosen to read an article about Lebanon know where it is. Telling them where it is in the first paragraph of the article is an encyclopedic style that is not what we are aiming for. The lead paragraph should tell readers why they would want to go. Ground Zero (talk) 12:04, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * tbh I'd have known if it were part of the IsPartOf, but this isn't. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:06, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, this edit I think most readers would be more likely to know where the West Bank and Gaza Strip are than they are to know where the Levant is. "The Levant" is, for the most part, an archaic term in English. do you have any further comment on this issue? Ground Zero (talk) 17:43, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No. You and know better than I on Wikivoyage - feel free to do what you think is best. In other words, I'll defer to you. Leaderboard (talk) 17:49, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

WarningBox
Hi @User:Brycehughes, I would respectfully suggest that we keep the caution box, as previously added by @RickScott and @廣九直通車. Nearly every Western government advises against travel to Lebanon. I'm aware that up until prior to the Israel-Hamas war, the travel advisory was one or two steps down (e.g. Canada advised that travel to Lebanon was fine with precautions, with avoid all travel advisories for specific regions of Lebanon), but I wouldn't remove the caution box on a gut judgement safety assessment when every Western government is advising against travel to Lebanon. I have tried to temper the language to matter of factness, in hopes that this may bring us to consensus. If not, I would suggest initiating a request for comment. Thank you for your contributions on Africa. Cyali (talk) 02:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah. There have been some hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah recently. This would be a very foolish time to eliminate or tone down a caution for Lebanon. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:36, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

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Itinerary?
Should this article have an tag? ~ 61.91.191.4 17:13, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Lecce

Bros (restaurant): amazing unfavourable review
There is apparently a restaurant named Bros, the only Michelin-starred restaurant in Lecce. I just read an unfavourable review for that restaurant. It is one of the more funny and comprehensive bad reviews that I have ever read: Bros., Lecce: We Eat at The Worst Michelin Starred Restaurant, Ever. If this review is accurate, I think we should not include a listing for Bros in this article, even though Bros has a Michelin star.

I have never been to Lecce, and I have no personal knowledge of this restaurant. JimDeLaHunt (talk) 00:13, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Yeah, my girlfriend read that review to me last night. I remember in the 1990s, Michelin was known for not really understanding Italian food, such that Italians generally actively avoided Michelin-starred restaurants in favor of trattorie that served cucina casalinga or cucina tipica. Perhaps things have improved on that score, but I'd tend to be skeptical of Michelin reviewers in Italy having a quite understandable French bias. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:37, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

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Lecropt

 * Delete - a parish with no towns or villages and no place to stay, hence does not pass our "What is an article" test. Should be merged into Bridge of Allan. -- (WT-en) DanielC 16:09, 18 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect to Stirlingshire (WT-en) WindHorse 23:08, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 08:16, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep. We have room and it has some nice descriptions that would be useful for the traveler. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 12:07, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
 * The only place mentioned is Lecropt Kirk. This could be covered in the "Get out" section of Bridge of Allan. If we start having articles for every church we will have loads of tiny articles. -- (WT-en) DanielC 12:59, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Redirect to Bridge of Allan, after the content on Lecropt Kirk is merged in. One reason to keep things like this as redirects is to make it easier for people to find the root article, in case they actually do a search on the article title.  Daniel's right, though: no way is this one ever going to be an article on its own. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:48, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

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Edmonton International
Should information on Edmonton International be here aswell? keep smiling,(WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 15:43, 19 December 2008 (EST).

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Talk:Lee's Summit

Pictures?
If anyone has a real nice picture of Lake Jacomo, or downtown, or Powell Gardens, it would be much appreciated if you uploaded it and added it the LS article.

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Talk:Leeds

Clubs
Can you really call the Cockpit a club? HiFi? Whats really a club? 81.105.110.59 21:08, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Visitor Feedback
Leeds is a great city to visit, for a day, a weekend or a week. You can easily explore all the Yorkshire has to offer, based in this shoppers, diners and drinkers mecca...

Leeds somehow manages to have the worst cinema this wikivoyager has ever experienced in the Kirkstall Road complex. Filthy and with no information whatsoever about current film showings, the staff give you a good reason to stay at home and rent DVD's online! You are much better off attending Cottage Road Cinema[11] in the centre of Headingley. Plenty to do afterwards as well. The Hyde Park Picture house is another good independent cinema (only 1 screen) with a wide selection of both modern and classic films on show. It retains many of its original features including gas lighting.

Sorry youve had such a bad experience, but i grew up in Ilkley (just outside Leeds), and this is the cinema I use most, and i have never had a problem with it. Adding in that comment in the main articel is unprofessional and just adds to the impression that WIKI's are totally useless for serious research into a place. I am removing it as it is obviously POV.213.48.73.89 09:13, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Please understand that this wiki is not Wikipedia, and we welcome travelers' POV about the places they visit. What we ask is that they be fair. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 11:12, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

Questions for potential visitors
Want to come to Leeds but the Wikiguide doesn't tell you something you need to know? Post your question here and a Leeds Wikivoyager will try to answer asap.

"Leeds City Guide [106]" links through to a website that hasn't been updated since 2002. What about www.skiddle.com/cities/leeds/ as an alternative?

Huge city?
I mentioned this on one of the district pages, but as it looks like there is more than one at this point, I'll bring the conversation here. The district idea is really only for Huge Cities, ie Mexico City and New York (city). It's not just a matter of where folks go to work, or what's real close by, etc etc. These places are either destinations in their own right or, maybe, neighborhoods of Leeds. But from the article contents it seems as if it's the first case. Comments from folks in the know? (WT-en) Majnoona 17:30, 4 May 2006 (EDT)

 * Maj, Leeds is obviously not as huge as New York or Mexico, but with a population of 715,000 it is quite large. These are neighbourhoods of Leeds rather than distant suburbs, you could walk to them in 20 minutes / 1/2 an hour or so. To me it is arguable whether they actually need articles, but in the past (small towns in North Dakota), you have expressed the desire to keep articles, whether or not there is much to see there. I moved the article to districts, rather than leave them as separate articles to highlight the fact that they are actually neighbourhoods within a large city, rather than separate communities. Other medium sized cities (such as Krakow) have many districts. I am not against this changing back to separate articles, but it should be born in mind that they are neighbourhoods, rather than distant suburbs. -- (WT-en) DanielC 08:36, 15 May 2006 (EDT)

I think Headingley is both. Obviously a part of Leeds, it is effectively a town within a city. I think that some visitors may well visit Headingley in it's own right, visiting student friends, watching live sports or maybe just for the famous night life. I'm sure many people who come to watch sport stay for the evening for a meal and a few drinks or shopping. Chapel Allerton is less of a destination in it's own right, but is a district/suburb of Leeds which is worth going to for a day. By creating a separate article, it makes the main Leeds article more concise.

Travel in leeds
I had some bad experience in leed with taxi's and good one if you just flag a taxi dow they will charge you whatever they can just to go a couple of miles you can pay 10 pounds I use a couple of bad ones who charged me much more than it should have been but the one that i would recomend is Owl Cars 0113 2 28 28 20.

Where did the Metro train route diagram go??

Photos
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO UPLOAD PICTURES AND EMBED THEM ON THIS PAGE!
 * Project:How to add an image — (WT-en) Ravikiran 09:03, 9 November 2006 (EST)

Hi, can the person who has been adding pictures (I don't have any of my own/any i have copyright to on the computer i'm using at the minute), possibly add one of City Sq with the fountains/Old Post Office/No1 City Sq (there are some nice ones of Queens' Hotel at night too) and one of the Town Hall if it's not too much trouble? otherwise i should be able to get round to it eventually

What happened to the file directory at the top? It currently states West Yorkshire: Leeds. It used to state Europe:UK:England:Yorkshire:West Yorkshire...

City Sq & Town Hall pics now added - feel free to move/remove any I just plonked them in. Now I've done you a favour you can help me to update the Yorkshire Moors, Yorkshire Dales, and Yorkshire articles - all of which supplement the Leeds article...

Thanks! Okay, but i don't know as much about them (though obviously living nearby most of my life im not completely in the dark)...i'll just add bits regularly for the next few weeks when i have the time (As have been doing with this article) :)

Getting to guide (now achieved)
what more do i (and others) need to do to have this upgraded from an outline to a guide article? i dont see how there isnt enough information, okay the see:central leeds by area isn't finished yet, but i mean there was a fair amount there to begin with and i've spent ages adding and updating information to it (and some kind individual added pretty pictures!), and im pretty damn sure a visitor could use this guide and have a very productive/fruitful/enjoyable/succesful visit to the city...there is information on transport, accomodation, sights, shopping, safety, eating, nightlife...what more do i need to add/do to make it a "guide"? the manchester one is less detailed but classed as a guide...

 * You can plunge forward and do that, I doubt anyone would challenge that. It looks like at least a Guide article to me. What does need to be done, is some moving of information to the district articles. On a huge city we prefer to have the actual listings in the districts and general information in the main article. This article is getting a little too large and some of the information could be moved. Also if districts need to be added or modified, feel free to do that also. This is your guide as much yours as it is for anyone. Thank you for your contributions. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 08:58, 23 November 2006 (EST)

 * I wouldn't call Leeds a 'huge' city, a large one, but its under a million. There are district guides for the three major out-of-centre destination districts (Headingley, Chapel Allerton, Roundhay), but do you think it would be apropriate to divide the city centre into district guides - it has distinct quarters but the central area is fairly compact, nothing like Manhattan/central London/Paris etc...and its hard to know where the boundaries are: also where would out of town attractions/attractions in the surrouding area fall? I'll think about it but i'm not exactly sure how i would go about restructuring...

Getting to Star/Destination of the month
This article is looking pretty amazing now - really indepth. As we work towards 'Star' article status I though a good way would be to use benchmarking. IE look at other Star articles/Articles of the month to see what features/info they have that this one lacks. There was a Metro train diagram on here - anyone know where it went?

See comments: http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Destination_of_the_Month_candidates#Leeds

what happened to the images?
they've all gone. i havent updated/edited this page for ages, but i will try over the next few weeks when i have time to make it more concise/logical etc (tho i dont agree that the district articles are a bit 'thin')

i dont understand also why so much of the text is being edited out

ive looked at the history but i cant seem to view the page where discussion about this goes on - and yes various english cities are near beautiful countryside but no other major city in england is as near to as much beautiful countryside or as close to as many national parks - this is to an extent objective fact!

 * The images were deleted for being violations of the copyleft and appeared to have been taken from other websites. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 06:49, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

 * I'm still not entirely sure why so much of the text etc I spent so long over seems to be gradually removed/made worse/grammatically incorrect/use of american spelling/etc. It's quite disheartening to have something you worked so hard on ruined tbh.

Restaurants
Is anybody who knows these restaurants able to move them to ====Budget====, ====Mid-range==== and ====Splurge====? Many Thanks 62.49.204.235 09:06, 9 February 2008 (EST)

Voted Best City
If someone thinks it is significant to include that it was voted best city in 2003, then I think its entirely reasonable and informative to say where it was placed in the same survey this year. Personally I think all the surveys are useless, but balance in all things.. --(WT-en) Inas 18:24, 18 December 2008 (EST)

LBA car parks
Since this section is about getting into Leeds I don't understand the rationale for a table detailing car parks for people catching flights out of Leeds. Any objections to deleting the table? --Dakinijones (talk) 16:06, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Districtification - work in progress?
It looks like somebody started to split the article into district articles, but the result is an article sitting on the fence, with most of the city centre left in the article and several very short sections carved out.

I do not know much about Leeds, but I tend to think there are two options which one could follow:
 * 1) Make "Leeds" a region, and then subdivide into the the City of Leeds proper and suburbs (even if forming a part of one municipal body called "Leeds")
 * 2) Reintegrate description of suburbs and districts into the article. It does not seem there is too much to do outside of the city centre, so the list of pubs and all resulting from the remerge could be trimmed. It is great to know there are places to go for a pint outside of the centre, but if it is the only thing to do there, then it is of little interest to travellers.

You thoughts? PrinceGloria (talk) 18:56, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

 * Given that there are an awful lot of districts of Leeds sitting at outline something clearly has to be done. But I don't quite know what... Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:29, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

 * Is there any policy against just having one or two districts (i.e. those that can support an entire article such as Headingley) with the rest moved back into the main city article? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:29, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

 * Yes, I believe so. Cities aren't supposed to be incompletely districted. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:04, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

 * That seems unnecessarily inflexible. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:37, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

 * I may have misunderstood your question. Are you suggesting dividing the entire city into two districts? If that serves the traveller well, sure, why not? What is your proposal? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:40, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The first odd thing is that the main article is also the article for the centre of of the city as well as some listing for the whole area. I think before the districts can be sorted out the listings should be checked to see if still valid and coordinates added to see exactly where they are. Headingley could make sense as its own article/district but the other are a little arbitrary. --Traveler100 (talk) 10:31, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

What I am suggesting is that the district articles which have enough (updated*) content in them be kept separate, while the rest be either re-integrated into the main Leeds article, or removed if their information isn't relevant. So I guess I'm proposing a "semi-districtification" whereby only a couple of districts actually have separate articles. I have to admit, I don't know Leeds well at all, but just looking at the district articles Chapel Allerton, East Leeds, South Leeds, West Leeds and Roundhay seem to have little in the way of actual attractions (in the 'see' and 'do') sections anyway and are more just lists of local shops and restaurants, much like a local directory. This is in contrast to Headingley, and North West and North East Leeds, which do seem to have something touristy going for them besides places to eat and drink.

* I agree with User:Traveler100 that the listings need to be checked that they are updated. You'll notice many of the Leeds district articles lack proper listings, and one or two even don't have a proper banner contents. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:26, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

 * I thought that was what you were suggesting. I would reiterate that that is against policy. Instead, a better solution would be that if there are several districts which don't have enough of interest to visitors (i.e., not that the work simply hasn't been done to input the relevant information, but they actually lack enough points of interest), some districts could be combined in whatever way best serves the traveller. But deliberately leaving some specific templated listings in the parent city article while moving others to districts is confusing, and therefore a bad practice. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:10, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

 * Okay, well I don't see much difference between my proposal and yours if I'm honest, unless you're also suggesting this article's listings be put into a new Leeds/City Centre article? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:56, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I think we should create a city centre article and move listing there from the main page. Can we also agree that some of the listing can be deleted from the other districts? Thinking in particular the jewellery and cloths shops, which will make some of the districts clear for deletion. --Traveler100 (talk) 21:05, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep, I am in agreement with all of that. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 23:23, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

The lead
Anyone else feel the leading section is perhaps a little too promotional? I'm fully aware there's no need to be encyclopaedic on here, but that part just seems a bit too much like a tourism brochure and not a travel guide. Just wanted other opinions before I made any changes -- Half past (formerly SUFCboy) 18:12, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

 * Yes, I guess one might want to tone down the wonderfully exciting lingo there and provide some actual information on the city instead. PrinceGloria (talk) 18:40, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

 * Leeds' lead sounds more like New York than Old Yorkshire. So go ahead, Half past. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:36, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

 * IMO, the info provided is good enough, but we could cut out the superlative rubbishː "famed for its excellent shopping" (I suppose it is called the 'Knightsbridge of the North', but still...); "extremely attractive" (it's Leeds, for God's sake, not Venice) and all this talk of "fantastic", "excellent" and "beautiful". --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:56, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks all. I've half-rewritten the lead around what was there already, I'm sure somebody could improve on it but I reckon it's sufficient and preferable to the old one. -- Half past (formerly SUFCboy) 08:22, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

 * I've just realised, 'former SUFC boy', that you may be a little biased when it comes to the topic of Leeds ;-) Am I right? Anyway, nice re-write, much more down-to-earthǃ --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:54, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

 * Haha, I try to leave any prejudices behind when I'm editing :P Have to say that Leeds is a decent city and suitably different to Sheffield. And thanks! --Half past (formerly SUFCboy) 14:49, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article?
In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That's a very nice panorama and a very well-composed photo. I think I would favor it over the current banner, which though nice is not actually as interesting to me as the panorama. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:19, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Leeds' skyline is so uncharacteristic that it really doesn't work for me. The city is known as the birthplace of modern-style retail, shopping arcades, Marks&Spencer etc., so I believe a shopping arcade is much more Leeds than a anonymous composition of night lights. --PrinceGloria (talk) 18:35, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree. - Fabimaru (talk) 18:06, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * PS. There are apparent compression issues with the night skyline banner, seems like the original pic was in much lower resolution.
 * I have a slight preference for the new banner. The last time I passed through Leeds was on an evening train and this reminds me of the view. The original pic is 8,159 × 2,972 pixels.
 * Whichever banner is not used here might be used on West Yorkshire. AlasdairW (talk) 21:16, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I plunged ahead and went with you suggestion, AlasdairW. I guess the "new" banner is more anonymous, so it is not really "Leeds", but it sure is representative of the urban nature of West Yorkshire, which incidentally lacked a banner. PrinceGloria (talk) 06:29, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

PrinceGloria, you are in a minority opinion on this one, as both me, Ikan Kekek and AlasdairW prefer the new banner being used in the article Leeds, while only you and Fabimaru prefer the old banner being used in this article. In addition, I must also state that although you mentioned above that you believe the new banner is based on a lower resolution picture, in realty, the picture which I used to create this banner is actually of a very high resolution (8,159 × 2,972 pixels!). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 16:24, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know Leeds or Yorkshire, so I was just reacting to the look of the pagebanners and would give some deference to people who do. Moreover, a 3-2 lead is not necessarily a clear consensus. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:44, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that is great that the new banner is now on West Yorkshire, and I have only visited Leeds while passing through, so I am happy to defer to those who have spent longer there. AlasdairW (talk) 18:46, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I should say that I'm perfectly happy with this solution and respect the knowledge that went into making it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:54, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Suggested Description for the Met Hotel
A 4-star hotel and event venue offering 120 bedrooms, 18 event suites and a restaurant on King Street in Leeds. The hotel is a Grade II listed building built in 1898 and Victorian terracotta facade. The cupola on the roof was taken from the demolished 4th White Cloth Hall. VerbInteractive (talk) 13:50, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Sounds good, don't hesitate and plunge forward everytime you have a good idea - if somebody will disagree, they can always discuss or propose a better version by means of editing the page.

 * He can't, as he's an employee of the owners of the hotel. I'll add the listing --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:18, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

District discussion
Considering that all districts listed as "outline" on the England Expedition are parts of Leeds and they make up seven of the nine total districts and the fact that the current district map looks weird (at least to me, who's never been to Leeds), maybe we should try to redefine districts? Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:08, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Headingley, probably the single weirdest part of the map, almost definitely deserves its own article. Other than that, I am broadly in agreement. Perhaps some hefty merging is the order of the day (e.g. into north, south, east and west, with Headingley and the City Centre, as the main tourist areas, kept separate)? There was a discussion about this a few months ago that came to nothing. Let's try and decide what to do and then do it. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:00, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Can we go through the all the listing on the main article and districts, weed out the closed or non relevant entries and add coordinates and full address to the others. We can then more effectively reorganise the districts, which really are a mess. --Traveler100 (talk) 07:57, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Coming to conclusion that the think to do is merge Headingley into Leeds/North West; and Chapel Allerton and Roundhay into Leeds/North East Leeds. --Traveler100 (talk) 18:16, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I think we should also have a new district map at the end of it all. Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:57, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes. Perhaps you are interested into how this map came into being. Some two years ago I discovered we had a load of cities, including Leeds, that were districtified but had no maps at all. I decided to start making them myself as noone else seemed to be interested (and to get some experience in map drawing and the workflow of Inkscape ;)). Other than Prague, I hadn't been to one of these cities myself so I had to look in the district articles for clues and google POIs to get an idea of the size and shape of the districts.
 * The current map is probably not too inaccurate but not too beautiful either, and if changes to the districts are made a new map will be necessary anyway. ϒpsilon (talk) 21:00, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

 * So how come I can paint over the boundaries in image edit software but it still shows? Any chance of creating the new one? I was not complaining about the map but the spliut of districts and the fact the content overlaps. --Traveler100 (talk) 07:28, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Vector files and stuff exported from vector software may behave in funny ways. I will look into the matter tonight or tomorrow. 213.204.37.227 11:44, 13 March 2016 (UTC) (Ypsilon who didn't log in on a public network)

Traveler100, while it's brilliant that you're willing to get on with the job, I don't believe we've achieved any kind of consensus over this except that we all agree the districts have to be changed somehow, and that quite a few irrelevant listings should be deleted. You proposed one solution (at 18:16 last night), and then implemented it a few hours later (9:30-ish this morning), without giving much of an opportunity for review or discussion.

Just to clarify, I don't currently have any objection per se to the merges you're doing, but I also don't feel as though I or others have been given an opportunity to think about or discuss them. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:04, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, maybe I was a little hasty. It was just that I was working on the listings and finding duplication on different pages so decided to move all to one place then try and sort it out. If someone comes up with a better definition of districts we can easily move things around. --Traveler100 (talk) 12:08, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

 * That's alright! It's good that you're being pro-active rather than talking but doing nothing, but yeah I'm looking at the districts today, comparing the old with the new. My understanding of Headingley was that it was quite touristy, but so far I haven't found much evidence of that except that there's quite a lot of accommodation. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:15, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

So is Woodhouse, North West or Central? --Traveler100 (talk) 17:17, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It's outside the inner ring road so North West, but only just. Some of the southern parts of Woodhouse are pretty much part of central Leeds, but most of the area is housing and university buildings. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:16, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

I think the new districts are pretty much spot-on. The North West seems a tad overstuffed, but that could just be a question of thinning out the listings a little and cutting down the gigantic list of neighbourhoods in the lead to only those that are of interest to travellers. —The preceding comment was added by ThunderingTyphoons! (talk • contribs)

 * So, is the new version of district setup the one that's in the map above? ϒpsilon (talk) 19:42, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

 * ϒpsilon: Yep :-) --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:30, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

 * What I don't like about the map is that the sectors simply go into the frame and there is no real indication as to which part of the city they actually cover. Compare that to the district boundaries of Berlin and you get a much clearer picture there. Another probelm with the Leeds map is that there are no bodies of water, major streets or major landmarks shown in the map, which is something we have in (almost) all other district maps. For someone not from Leeds it's really difficult to tell "where you are" with this map.Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:12, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Agree completely. The ideal in the long term surely would be to incorporate each district map into the existing dynamic map of a city, but that is probably a couple of years away, so for now we have to try to make the region maps as good as possible, with some roads and local landmarks if possible. Ypsilon's maps are still better than anything I could do, however, so I don't wish to be too critical. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:30, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Assume southern border of central Leeds (for this article purposes) is the river? There are a few sights and bars just south of the river, checking which district to place in. --Traveler100 (talk) 12:59, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks about right. Residents seem to use the ring road (A58(M)) for the northern edge and the river for the southern edge. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:51, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

All the Sleep, Eat and Drink listing that where on the main city page are not in the district pages. The city centre listings in the See section of the main Leeds article needs changing from see listings to text paragraphs. Have not yet done the other attractions section and the Buy and Do sections. --Traveler100 (talk) 12:32, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Restarting this
So after a year of dormancy, how about reviving this? There are five outline districts in all of England - all of them in Leeds. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:43, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Traffic lights
I just commented out a claim about traffic lights that I find to be highly dubious (and furthermore unclearly worded). For one thing our sister project makes no mention of Leeds on its article on traffic lights. And a very breif glance at google lets me also doubt the claim. If any of you know better, please provide some source (anything, really) put it on the talk page and update the wording accordingly. Thank you. Edited to add: The claim was also made on the Discover nomination page, where I similarly commented it out Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:42, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

 * This webpage, cited on Park Row, Leeds states that Park Row had the first traffic lights in Britain (rather than the world) in 1928, so my guess is that someone has heard about this and misremembered and augmented it in their mind when writing about it on Wikivoyage. That ought to have been an end to the whole sorry affair, but...
 * Wikipedia also claims that Britain's first electric traffic lights were installed in Piccadilly Circus in 1926, two years earlier than Leeds, and that Wolverhampton also got some in 1927. So it seems that even the lesser claim of "first traffic lights in Britain" is unsupported and almost certainly false, and our references to it should be removed, which I'm going to do now. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:12, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Thanks for that. When copying fun facts from articles I assume what's written in our articles is correct (just as readers/users of our articles do). ϒpsilon (talk) 17:37, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Yes, I think most of us do. Thanks for spotting this, Hobbitschuster --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:44, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

 * No problem. My default assumption also is that WV is correct in what it claims, but sometimes I like to double check stuff. In the process I learned that Potsdamer Platz in Berlin only had the "first" traffic light in Europe/Germany/what have you if you tweak the definition a lot... Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:59, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Districts once more
Sooooo....

We gonna do summink 'bout dem districtis? Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:14, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Headingley
is marked on the static map but has no mention in the districts section, nor does it have an article. Should a district be created for Headingley, or should it be removed from the static map? -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 02:41, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Leeds/Headingley used to be an article, but it was decided back in the 10s to consolidate Leeds' large but incomplete district list into the current set-up. Probably best to remove it.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 07:04, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure. Will remove it from the map sometime soon. Are there any other changes that need to be done while I'm at it? -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 07:07, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I mean, you've seen the map. It's pretty basic and could do with more information, but it's up to you as to how much you want to do. Good city maps have roads, railways, parks, rivers... When doing the routeboxes for Leeds, I remember struggling to work out which districts certain roads went through, and eventually realised that some of the boundaries had been drawn following the roads I was routeboxing. But I won't blame you at all if you decide to just remove Headingley, as it can't be easy to map a city you don't know.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 07:55, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I must say, the static map is not a very good one. I'm probably biased by saying this, but even the sixth static map I drew looks better than this – honestly, I felt like redoing the map from scratch when I saw this today. I'll start compiling the resources tomorrow and will make a start once I do. The boundaries are a bit vague, but I'll try my best.
 * But before that, I'll try and make an interactive dynamic map using geojson.io and convert that into mapmasks using Renek78's geojson-mapmask converter. It seems the boundaries follow important highways and freeways so doesn't seem too hard. I'll keep you updated with how the dynamic map goes. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:45, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If you need any help with geography, I might be able to advise.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:17, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, the airport (somewhere near the top of NW Leeds) would be a useful addition.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Just finished tracing out the Central, South, East and NE districts and just about to do NW, so will keep that in mind. I've noticed that some of the listings fall outside the mapmasks, but they seem to be kilometres out. Would that be okay or should I extend the districts out even further? SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 09:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Bigger mapmask, I reckon, unless the listings should really be on one of the other city articles in West Yorkshire. But Leeds is quite a big city, without immediate neighbours to the east or north, so some of the POIs will be far out.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:51, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah I just realised I screwed up all but West and Central. At least, the boundaries for the others aren't so fine-grained. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Redid NE and NW. Now just E and S left. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:58, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Finally done the dynamic map – see the result at User:SHB2000/Leeds. Anything else needed before I transfer the data to Commons? Once I transfer all that to Commons, I'll start the static map. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 12:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Linking https://github.com/SHB2000/SHB2000/blob/main/leeds.json if anyone wants the code. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 12:09, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * That looks really good. I think you're using the municipal boundaries as the outer border; do all the POIs fit inside? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:34, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did use the boundaries from OpenStreetMap. Many of the listings are now in the wrong district (but still within Leess) and all but Craiglands Hotel in NW Leeds are now within Leeds. I'll transfer this to Commons just in a moment.
 * But before I start the static map, which roads should be included, and is there a specific colour scheme that's officially used in the UK (e.g. red for freeways, yellow for major arterial roads or something like that) that I should try and follow? SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 01:16, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * And which roads should I include?
 * Here's what I think should be marked, at least from side observations from hours of tracing last night ;-)
 * All freeways (i.e. M1, M62, A1(M), and M621)
 * A58
 * A61
 * A6120
 * A63
 * A660
 * Are there any other important roads that I've missed? SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 01:26, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Are there any other important roads that I've missed? SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 01:26, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

It sounds like hard work. Those roads, plus the A64 and A65, seem the main ones. I'm not sure how important it is, but the A58 (M) and A64 (M) form an incredibly short motorway in the city centre (so short, they have their own entries on Pathetic Motorways).

I wouldn't say there's an official colour scheme as such, but most UK road atlases colour motorways blue, and the main A roads green, following the colour of the road signs (e.g., ). You probably don't need to worry about them, but secondary A roads are red, B roads are yellow, and very minor roads white. Google Maps used to follow this scheme in the UK too, before imposing their orange and white nonsense on the whole world.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:10, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Looking with fresh eyes, on the dynamic map a couple of things have jumped out at me regarding the boundaries. The balance between East and North East seem skewed heavily in favour of East, resulting in the town of Wetherby being sliced in half; perhaps it would be better if the boundary followed the A64 once out of the built-up area (so say from around where that line called ELOR meets the A64 near Scholes). Also, that section of West Leeds from the really narrow bit around Yeadon, up towards Hawksworth, is probably more logically placed in North West Leeds. Feel free to say "it's too late to nitpick, we're doing it as it is", because I realise this has turned from a quick "removing Headingley" tweak to a wholescale "redesigning Leeds" endeavour from your perspective.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:36, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Oh, and it turns out that ELOR is the East Leeds Orbital Route, an under-construction dual-carriageway.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:48, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

 * I could do the map again, but the boundaries I drew were deliberately designed based on where the listings were, and the boundaries that the now-removed static map used. I could do it again, but my 7-day isolation period due to well, The Virus is nearing to an end so I won't have 3-4 hours of spare time on my hands and I guess it's (sadly) too late to nitpick (apologies for that).
 * As for the roads, jokingly, A58(M) and A64(M) remind me of the Sunshine Motorway in Queensland, except this one's a pathetic motorway not due to distance, but because it looks like this, this, or this for half its length (that said, there are bits that do look like a motorway like this or this. So unusual, that it doesn't even have exit numbering like all the other motorways in the state. Back on topic, I can certainly do the A64 and A65 as well. It shouldn't be too hard to do – all I have to do is to simply trace the roads from OSM, and that's about it. I'll start the map this arvo, and I'll let you know how that's coming along.

 * and btw, thanks for the Pathetic Motorways website :-) An interesting website to look around. I just had a look at some other pathetic motorways and a lot of the motorways seem to be rather unusual. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 00:40, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

 * Fair play, I just thought I'd ask. Well done on getting through self-isolation. I haven't tested positive once in over two years, but can still imagine it's pretty tedious. Hopefully, Pathetic Motorways managed to alleviate some of that tedium 😆 --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:09, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind words :-). My isolation period ends tomorrow, so time to say goodbye to clicking "remove" to all The Devonshire Manuscript entries a hundred times (see b:Special:History/Wikibooks:Correct typos in one click/16 for a bit more context).
 * Done. I made a start on doing some of the minor roads but decided to get rid of them as it was becoming too crowded. The same reason is why the motorways aren't labeled, but I think this has to be my second or third favourite static map I've made, after Southeastern NSW and possibly Canberra/Civic. Turned out a lot better than I thought. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 04:55, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Also the airport might not show up. I forgot to add the airport when I first uploaded it, but I've reuploaded a map with the airport. The airport still doesn't show up on Commons though, at least on my end, but it does on both en.voy and it.voy. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:28, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * That's come out well, and the airport shows for me both on WV and Commons. Thanks for the hours of work! --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:52, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Strange how the airport still doesn't show up on my end on en.voy + it.voy but it does on Commons. Perhaps a cache issue? SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 12:19, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Very likely.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:30, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * random, but the static map has now been promoted to a quality image on Commons :-). SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 05:25, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah nice. They have taste. ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:30, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah nice. They have taste. ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:30, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Leeds/Headingley

So is this a suburb or a district? It seems like a 'burb as you need to take a bus from "Leeds" to get there/here. Districts are really only for Huge Cities and, as far as I know, Leeds aint "huge". (WT-en) Majnoona 17:26, 4 May 2006 (EDT)

 * Discussion continued on Talk:Leeds. -- (WT-en) DanielC 08:24, 15 May 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Leeton

This article was started as a copy of the Wikipedia article on the same city; I deleted it and replaced it with a Wikivoyage city article template instead. --(WT-en) Evan 23:59, 2 January 2007 (EST)

Ok I restored and reworded a lot of stuff. Rather than deleting the whole thing can you maybe just highlight the bits which are still in copywright violation (although none should be now), so I can continue to change until I get a version that is acceptable, thanks. (WT-en) Brad Mclain 17:41, 4 January 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Leeward Coast (Oahu)

First draft created by KorbyParnell.

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Talk:Legian

Does Legian really need a separate page? It's a largely indistinguishable part of Kuta's sprawl if you ask me... (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:59, 1 December 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Leh

Could some one please add the fare from manali to leh on a state run bus ?

Leh Nubra
Is it possible to travel Nubra Valley & Pangong Lake by hiring motorcyles service?

- It is definitely possible to visit Nubrah and Pangong by motorcycles. but the roads are bad and dusty and it takes about 3-4 hours to reach Pangong or Nubrah. So don't risk it if you aren't a good rider.

However, going in a motor cycle gives you the freedom to stop anywhere you want for photographs.

leh in mid-April?
anyone knows how's the weather around this time of year- middle-end of april?

To Guide
This is the best article about anyplace in Jammu and Kashmir so far. It would be great to make it a Guide, as it would be a wonderful place to feature as an Off the beaten path. Here are my comments on India Expedition/Jammu and Kashmir:

''A lot of work has been done on this article, and it's very good. It's close to Guide status, and I think that once the locations of the few "Sleep" listings that still have unidentified locations and all the other entries are added (such as with lat/long geo), we can make this a Guide and nominate it for an Off the Beaten Path feature on the front page.''

I'd add that all the entries for hotels should be checked to make sure they're still in business, and prices mentioned throughout the article should be checked and updated as needed.

Is there anything else you notice that needs work? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:17, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Jesus in Leh?
There is a gap in biblical accounts, nothing about his life between ages 13 and 29 when he started preaching. This story claims he spent most of that time in a Buddhist monastery in Leh. Pashley (talk) 13:07, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

 * I've heard it said many times that Jesus did, or may have, spent time in India. However, this is the first time I've heard it suggested that he was in Leh, let alone at a Buddhist monastery. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:45, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

 * He was well travelled. Apparently a family friend brought him to Cornwall during that time as well Joseph_of_Arimathea --Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:06, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Article badly needs work
For such a visited location the article needs work. many guesthouses have no price listed- and it seems at least to me that the prices across the article are also badly out of date.

there is no distinction between the local markets, as prices vary between them

also there is no note about supporting the local community- as opposed to the hoardes of rajistanis and punjabis who flood leh for half the year and take their money home leaving the locals without in the winter. I'm not sure how to word this without it sounding racist. "try to determine whether business people are year-round inhabitants of leh"

on a similar note does anyone know any way of verifying the douzens of "tibetan refugee" orginisations and markets? the products are imported, most of the workers are immigrants from pujab- I would be inclined to advise against shopping there on ethical reasons.

I desperately want to do more myself, but I am without internet or...like...any money for internet cafes.

--Billbarrelrider (talk) 10:20, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Leh (district)

It seems to me that basing an article on the administrative districts is not the most logical thing to do, or the most helpful for the traveller. Some of the places in this area will be most commonly visited on a daytrip from Leh, and others will more commonly be visited overnight. It also almost entirely overlaps geographically with the Ladakh article, as almost all the places of interest for tourists in Ladakh are in the Leh district.

I would like to divide this article up into smaller sections, once there's enough material to do so. Maybe a daytrips from Leh section, an around Lamayuru section, a Changthang section, etc. Hopefully I will be able to flesh this out enough to be able to divide it up more usefully.

What do others think?

--(WT-en) Bob 1974 15:20, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Lehigh Valley

Listings
There are far too many listings for individual attractions in this article. Listings go in city articles, not region articles; this article should have broad overviews of the attractions available in the region, not specific listings. (WT-en) LtPowers 09:26, 4 April 2011 (EDT)
 * Done. Ground Zero (talk) 17:45, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Other destinations
Having moved towns to the "Cities" sections per normal Wikivoyage practice, the result is that there are no "Other destinations." I haven't been to this area of PA since at least 1996, but Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom seems like an obvious "Other destination." What else is there in this area? There must be some pretty spots. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:35, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Leipzig

Neo-Nazis
Can we please mention the fact that there is a disturbing concentration of extreme right activity in this part of Germany, and that tourists should be reminded to excersise care. This especially applies at night time, and even more so if you are black or asian.

 * Two questions: 1) Does the actual risk mandate a cautionary note? 2) Can you describe specific precautions that travelers should take in order to stay safe? -- (WT-en) Tuerpe 15:54, 26 August 2011 (EDT)

Leipzig vs Dresden
I don't think length inferiority complex rants like this are very useful to travellers, so I've rolled back the whole thing and abstracted one sentence out of it. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:53, 16 June 2007 (EDT)

List of Airlines
I hesitate to throw away somebody else's work, but is it necessary to list all the individual airlines that operate at Leipzig/Halle airport? Most of them just connect Leipzig with a few holiday resorts around Europe, and seem utterly irrelvant to the majority of those travelers trying to get to Leipzig. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Tuerpe (talk • contribs)

 * I would say no. It's the sort of list that always goes out of date quickly, and your point about the irrelevance of most of them is absolutely correct.  — (WT-en) D. Guillaime 00:25, 16 January 2011 (EST)

Map of passages
How did the link to a map of passages violate the external links policy? It's on the official website of the city and provides detailed information on a specific, relevant topic.(WT-en) Tuerpe 05:59, 19 January 2011 (EST)
 * Hi Tuerpe! The information should be worked into our Leipzig and not just linked. Wikivoyage is not the yellow pages and links to everyone. (WT-en) jan 08:43, 19 January 2011 (EST)

 * The "What not to link to" section of that policy includes "Map services". Rationale is explained on the policy page. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:49, 19 January 2011 (EST)

 * I see your points. Please let me explain my reasoning. The city center of Leipzig has as a peculiar feature a system of about 30 passages and courtyards. Some are sights in their own right; the article lists a few that may attract tourists. Others are by themselves pretty boring, but may still interest travellers that want to explore the entire system or a particular historical place. I agree in principle with the idea that information should be worked into the article. However, I see two obstacles in this particular case. First, listing all the 30 passages would make the article encyclopedic in this respect, which as I understand is a non-goal. Second, no map of the locations of the passages seems to be available that would be properly licenced for inclusion in Wikivoyage; otherwise I would have uploaded it. Such a map seems useful as general city maps may lack that information. In addition to that, it seems that the linked leaflet is difficult to find through the tourist information pages linked elswhere in the article. Since I'm new to Wikivoyage, I'll just ask: what is the preferred way of providing the best value to travellers given these tradeoffs? By the way, I wouldn't call it a map service, it's a PDF leaflet which includes one specific map alongside other information. -- (WT-en) Tuerpe 19:36, 19 January 2011 (EST)

 * Actually, there is a nice map of the paths available under the CC-by-SA license at OSM . --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:35, 22 January 2011 (EST)

 * Thanks. All the information seems to be there, but I see labels for the passages only when I zoom into the map as far as possible. As I'm not familiar with technical aspects of OSM, is there any easy way of overriding the automatic display, or omission of labels depending on the zoom level? What I think would be most useful in context is an overview map of the inner city with labels for just a few reference points, but for all of the passages.

 * It's possible to extract the underlying data from OpenStreetMap and produce a customised map (selecting which detail is shown, and in what style -- colour, line thickness etc). However, it's more than a five minute task.  I've been experimenting with TileMill recently, I might see what I can do (WT-en) Symbiote 09:25, 21 January 2012 (EST)

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Talk:Lemnos

I WOULD LIKE TO SKOPELOS FROM THE ISLAND OF LIMNOS, IS THIS POSSIBLE? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 207.200.116.7 (talk • contribs)

 * Not shouting at the people you want help from would be a good start. That being said, questions like these are better directed at travel forums like Lonely Planets Thorn Tree, same etiquette applies there though, if you write all caps messages, most people wont bother answering you. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 20:28, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

Placement of images
It's best if the thumbnails on this page are spread out, so that they aren't in a long column, with no images elsewhere on the page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:19, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Lenawee County

''This page is for discussing the corresponding article or guide. For more about using talk pages check out Project:Using talk pages.''

Tempting feelings?
I have this feeling of wanting to get this travel guide up to a possible guide status. Is it beneficial? – (WT-en) CurvyEthyl 04:10, 2 October 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Pont du Gard

Is there a place to sleep here? -- (WT-en) Mark 15:20, 26 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * I'm pretty sure this should be an attraction in Remoulins. --(WT-en) Evan 16:30, 26 Sep 2004 (EDT)

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Talk:Leptis Magna

Thinking of visiting Leptis Magna but get a lot of reports about it being unsafe to travel other than on an escorted tour via Tripoli. Can anyone confirm this and, if so, advise on contacts once we get to Triploi?

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Talk:Leshan

I am currently adding a lot of information to this page as I am currently living here. But please feel free to contibute! --(WT-en) akajoey 01:23, 10 April 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Lesotho

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Lesotho/CIA World Factbook 2002 import. -- (WT-en) Huttite 03:48, 28 Mar 2005 (EST)

&mdash
Uh, do "-" really need to be changed to &mdash ? It seems like a lot of effort that could be directed elsewhere... (WT-en) Majnoona

Moving some stuff to Maseru
Ive noticed how alot of the stuff on here in the buy and eat sections are solely about Maseru, so I've decided to move them to the Maseru page.

User:(WT-en) Tsandell 25 Feb 06 10:13 GMT

Regions
I have removed the regions section because there is absolutely nothing to do outside the main towns of each region, and the pages would be almost entirely pointless... they would just repeat all the information in each city page.

Also, the regions are more infact administrative districts rather than culturally independant regions.

(WT-en) Tsandell 16:43, 21 March 2006 (EST)

"Get around/By car"
What does "in a saloon" mean in this sentence?

"For the visitor, the only unsealed road you are likely to use is the last 20km to Malealea, which is easy in a saloon."

Is the implication that this road is so easy to drive that you could drive it drunk? Is this some local slang? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:08, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

 * I was wondering about the same thing, it's definitely not local slang Refiloehape (talk) 08:45, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

 * Saloon is UK English for sedan. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:29, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Sleep listings
There should be no specific sleep listings at the country level. I've moved these here, in case they are of use in city articles:

 * Several hotels in Maseru.

 * Semonkong Lodge situated on the Maletsunyane river and just one hour's walk from Maletsunyane Falls, offers accommodations, good food, horse treks, abseiling at the Falls.

 * Malealea has a lodge and pony trekking centre which offers good accommodation, foot or horse treks and 4x4 excursions.

 * Oxbow (Lesotho) has the New Oxbow Lodge

 * Katse has the Orion Katse Lodge

 * Mohale has the Orion Mohale Lodge

 * Malealea Lodge — Lesotho Accommodation and Self Catering units. Pony-trekking, mountain biking, 4x4 route and scenic drives.
 * In rural areas, Catholic and Protestant missions will often rent rooms to travellers.
 * Malealea Lodge — Lesotho Accommodation and Self Catering units. Pony-trekking, mountain biking, 4x4 route and scenic drives.
 * In rural areas, Catholic and Protestant missions will often rent rooms to travellers.
 * In rural areas, Catholic and Protestant missions will often rent rooms to travellers.
 * In rural areas, Catholic and Protestant missions will often rent rooms to travellers.
 * In rural areas, Catholic and Protestant missions will often rent rooms to travellers.
 * In rural areas, Catholic and Protestant missions will often rent rooms to travellers.
 * In rural areas, Catholic and Protestant missions will often rent rooms to travellers.

Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:08, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Currency, time and spelling conventions
Below is a proposed infobox to let readers know which formatting conventions to use in Wikivoyage articles. Do you agree with these proposals? If you have direct knowledge of what is most commonly used in the country, please let us know. Ground Zero (talk) 12:38, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Moved to the top of this page. Ground Zero (talk) 04:25, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

title: Talk:Lesotho