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Talk:Caracas

Is it just me or do the edit tabs not correspond with the section headings here? I click on Sleep edit and it brings up Climate; I click on Budget and it brings up Get In... What's with that? - 03:13, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Someone had failed to include an ending tag on one of the restaurant listings, which caused the internal section numbering to start over. Should be all better now. :) - 08:12, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

Great, thanks! Should make life easier. - 05:43, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

The Caracas page is biased against travel there. It should be revised to be more neutral (i.e., like the Bogota page). Bogota is just like Caracas.

Can anybody tell me if the www.taxitocaracas.com service is safe/reliable?

Editing
Hi all, Just doing some work for style and content on Caracas article. Trying to make the article a little less biased against travel there. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Laurenlp (talk • contribs) 23:42, 11 June 2009

 * Do you think making the article less biased against travel is wise given goverment/general travel warnings, crime figures and just about every other writen piece on Caracas?. I have friends in different places in the capital and all of them have advised me not to visit at the moment. This article seems quite casual about the dangers of being out late and taxi rides to name two points. I think this page is well researched and very useful but Caracas is one of the most violent cities in the world and understating this could lead travellers to think otherwise. Would be interested in your thoughts. Tom —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 86.145.73.40 (talk • contribs) 19:32, 26 October 2010

Shady
with plenty of prostitutes and homosexuals at night...shady area.

Changed this rather suspect phrase. Not sure whether it was supposed to recommend or warn ;)

Quoting from other travel sites
There is a quote on police corruption from Lonely Planet. It's duly cited, but I think that quoting from them at all is at best questionable, in view of the reasons given at External links. Do you agree or disagree, and if so, why? Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:54, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article?
I have previously created an alternative banner for this article (which was initially created for the parallel article at the Hebrew Wikivoyage, but I decided to suggest we'll use it here at the English Wikivoyage article as well). Which banner do you prefer that we'll use on the top of this article? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 13:31, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The new banner is more interesting. Ground Zero (talk) 18:13, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Current one. Looks sharper. --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 02:34, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The new banner is also much prettier. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The current one has the recommended minimum 2,100 × 300 resolution, while the suggested one has 4,799 × 684 and seems reasonably sharp also at full size. I suspect the apparent sharpness depends on specific window width etc. –LPfi (talk) 09:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Image placement
This left-right-left-right image placement is really not Wikivoyage style - see image policy - and makes this article look very different from other articles. I'm observing this because I think it should be changed. I don't volunteer to change it now at 5:20 AM. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

 * The number of images is also high. Somebody who knows the city should probably try to get rid of half of them or so, at least in the sections with many of them. –LPfi (talk) 11:49, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Will do a little bit of it, but can't do it this late at 23:30 (maybe tomorrow?). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Caral

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Just created a brief outline from what I can remember of my trip there in Nov 2011 (WT-en) Tomghc 10:54, 18 March 2012 (EDT)

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Talk:Caransebeş

VFD Discussion

 * Merge and redirect. Caransebeş, Caransebeș, and Caransebes appear to be the same city in Romania. --(WT-en) Bill in STL 17:45, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

Result: Redirected to Caransebeş. That's the name the Wikipedia & Romanian Wikivoyage are using. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:26, 23 October 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Caransebeș

VFD Discussion

 * Merge and redirect. Caransebeş, Caransebeș, and Caransebes appear to be the same city in Romania. --(WT-en) Bill in STL 17:45, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

Result: Redirected to Caransebeş. That's the name the Wikipedia & Romanian Wikivoyage are using. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:26, 23 October 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Caransebes

VFD Discussion

 * Merge and redirect. Caransebeş, Caransebeș, and Caransebes appear to be the same city in Romania. --(WT-en) Bill in STL 17:45, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

Result: Redirected to Caransebeş. That's the name the Wikipedia & Romanian Wikivoyage are using. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:26, 23 October 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Caravelas

Please, note that I ((WT-en) Cmart02) have started this page and will add a lot of stuff still (pictures and info). If anyone has a query, please post here or leave a message on my discussion page.

If anyone has content, please continue to add and I will make amendments along the way.

Thanks. (WT-en) Cmart02 09:03, 9 Jan 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Caraz

So I'm new to wikivoyage. I uploaded a picture of the Plaza de Armas in Cusco, but it ended up here too. I guess because the jpeg have the same name? I have been trying to take it off this page and put the picture that was on this site back up, but I don't know how. Can anyone help me out? Ooops.
 * I downloaded and re-uploaded the picture with a more specific name. -- (WT-en) Jonboy 20:21, 28 April 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Carbon offsetting

Carbon offsetting
Not a travel topic. Stock spam text. (WT-en) Jordanmills 12:57, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Carbon offsets actually come up occasionally in discussions about travel, so how about redirecting to Ecotourism? -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:12, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Agree - redirect to Ecotourism -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 13:14, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Guess it is a travel topic. Redirect seems reasonable to me then. Not sure how to do that with the VFD message on there, or if it's okay to take it down now that I've posted it here.  I'm sure someone can work it out though. (WT-en) Jordanmills 13:52, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) Pashley 23:14, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Redirect to Ecotourism – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 16:10, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Car camping

Shouldn't this be a blank article? (WT-en) Goodralph 01:13, 8 Jul 2004 (EDT)

We drove to Arizona and back and stayed in our car several nights very comfortably with sleeping bags, pillows and ADVENTURESCREEN insect screens that were custom made for our Honda Pilot. So I think car camping is open for discussion. 76.229.235.100 23:29, 27 March 2010 (EDT)

Worldwide coverage
This seems very U.S. specific, and hard to see it becoming a worldwide reference, as the rules vary. Any objections to moving this to Car Camping in the United States (or something similar)? --Inas (talk) 22:10, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

 * It's funny you should say that, as an American I can't really understand what most of this article is about. I've made a few updates, but the general phrases and use of language is out of my norm.  When Americans discuss car camping, they mean pulling up to a campsite to pitch a tent, not actually camping in a car.  I was thinking about breaking out a section on Travel Trailers (referred to here as caravans), but I'm honestly not sure where to start with this. --Lumpytrout (talk) 12:24, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

 * I took away a note of one section being USA and Canada specific. The same kinds of vehicles are probably available anywhere, although perhaps not common. Categories of camp sites, what you can expect of them etcetera is of course very country or region specific, but those sections were not marked. I think there is much general things to be said, just avoiding the coupling of specific services to specific categories of sites.

 * One way to go forward would be to indeed move this to Car Camping in the United States, while moving anything general back under this name and adding missing parts. Camping by a vehicle or in the vehicle probably raises much the same issues, except for camping on parking lots and similar places, where you cannot have your tent. The discussion on the differences suites the Get around or Sleep section as the article now is written, but I think a major overhaul could be worthwhile.

 * --LPfi (talk) 17:37, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

From a UK perspective
This is from memory, and may be out of date.

In the UK you can't camp backwoods or roadside, you have to use an appropriate 'caravan site'. These were/are typically large independent commercial concerns, or sites who pay a nominal fee to be in a directory of either the Caravan Club, or alternately "The Camping and Caravanning Club" which despite the similar name are/were two separate organisations.

UK Volkswagen Type 2 (T3) at least at typical touring level tend to be smaller than a US RV. In the mid 1990's I can recall seeing a LOT of them being based on slightly older light commercial vehicle/van chasis. In my recollection (Volkswagen Type 2's and Type 3's were often used as a basis). Not sure what's current though.

Facilities at UK sites varied, some were just a field, literally. Most slightly better sites had facilities like toilets, some had showers and a few high end ones had clubhouses, and convenience stores. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:01, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Static trailers

How do you put a car before those? More seriously: Do you use those when "car camping"? The obvious follow-up question is how this is car camping. OK, you get in by car – but you could as well rent an ordinary cottage at the campsite.

What is the difference between this kind of "trailers" and ordinary campsite cottages? A serious question, as I have never been car camping, and in Finland there are often cottages at the campsites, while I don't know about there ever being static trailers for rent.

Then, to go farther, what is car camping? If you don't have a motorhome, caravan or some pop-up hack, what is the difference to other kinds of camping, just that you get in by car? Should we define the scope of our articles clearer to minimise overlap?

–LPfi (talk) 09:21, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

 * All good questions. Static homes enjoy some popularity as holiday destinations (as self-contained units on 'campsites') particularly in the UK (see ) and their difference from vehicles or towed vehicle trailers is they are 'static'. I'm not sure how they arrive in place in the first instance. Wikivoyage ought to include some coverage of 'static homes' or 'static trailers'. Car camping may not be an ideal page to include them on, I thought car camping was the closest relevant page, but feel free to move them or suggest a better more appropriate page. Darrelljon (talk) 15:17, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

 * I suppose they can be brought on lorries. In Finland it is common to have real homes built from big parts (halves or so) manufactured indoors in plants and brought by lorries. Some of the "static trailers" also look like they could be brought by lighter vehicles.

 * But what intrigues me is how the "static trailers" differ from cottages. The one in this image looks like a typical cabin at a Finnish campsite (and the background agrees). Is there any difference between this cabin and the "trailer" above, other than the latter's lighter structure (Finns are found of log buildings, and so are tourists to here, I assume).

 * –LPfi (talk) 15:39, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

 * According to 'Many Mobile Homes are constructed on steel chassis with wheels. This allows the buildings to be moved on and off truck trailers and around site. However, Mobile Homes don’t have to have wheels. So long as the structure remains unconnected to the groundwork’s, i.e. it’s built on steel girders or timber beams and remains divisible and transportable' Darrelljon (talk) 09:47, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

 * Yes. Here I heard that if you move a building every few years, you don't need a building permit. But I think that is irrelevant for a traveller. If the buildings look more or less the same from outside and inside and, especially, have the same functions, whether they are permanent or not doesn't affect anything. So the question remains: how do these mobile homes or static trailers differ from small cabins from the traveller's point of view? –LPfi (talk) 11:26, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

In respect of Scotland...
Probably a minor point, but Traffic Signs in Scotland gained a new symbol, for a 'Service point for motorhomes',

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2022/111/regulation/7/made

I am wondering if this is to mark emptying/disposal points for 'waste-water retention' tanks.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Classes
The article goes into some detail on "Class A", B & C motorhomes. Is this classification generally used or is it part of some country's legal/licensing scheme? Either way, it seems to me it needs clarification. Pashley (talk) 22:54, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Conversions
I think it is moderately common to convert various vehicles into campers, perhaps most often school buses; a famous example is Furthur (bus). Should the article mention this?

Going overland to India some decades back I saw several converted Pinzgauers, surplus from various European armies & with off-road capability. There were also converted double-decker buses, apparently from London. Somewhat to my surprise, at least one of those had reached Katmandu. Pashley (talk) 23:10, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

There are companies like Earth Roamer Earth Cruiser and Global Expedition Vehicles offering expensive custom-built conversions. Pashley (talk) 23:56, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Solar power?
Solar-powered cars have been built, see Solar car, but as far as I know they are still wildly impractical for general use.

The constraints are very different for a camper, though; there is both more surface to put solar cells on & more room for batteries. It looks to me like solar power is almost certainly practical for a caravan that will be towed. I cannot tell if it would work for an RV that needs to move under its own power; my guess would be yes, but the cost would be high & the design problem difficult. Pashley (talk) 23:46, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

 * If you camp at sunny destinations, 1 kW/m² of solar power is realistic in midday. With 5 m² and panel efficiency of 20 %, you get 1 kW, which is 10 A at 100 V, a few hours a day (a European Schuko plug could take 3.5 kW). Indeed not supercharging, and you lose some power in the charging process. For 100 km you need some 20 kWh for a normal car, much more for a RV or towing vehicle. So charging a week you could perhaps drive 50 km, assuming you have other panels and batteries for your in-camp needs. On the other hand, solar power can power your appliances (for a mean consumption of some 100 W) and keep the vehicle's batteries charged without the need to run the engine every now and then. –LPfi (talk) 14:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Cardwell

Lots of interesting info but the page needs to follow Wikivoyage style and should avoid duplication. Please insert the text into the Wikivoyage structure, using the templates for attractions and limiting GET IN to telling people how to get there. Thanks (WT-en) Shep 02:58, 28 August 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Careys Creek Track

As this doesn't quite fit our Project:What's an article?, I'm wondering if it's not better suited to WikiOutdoors? Thoughts? (WT-en) Maj 09:24, 25 January 2007 (EST)

a bloody good point. Never heard of it, but I will look into it (WT-en) Nankai 20:47, 25 February 2007 (EST)

I looked into it and liked what I saw! The article is now mirrored on Wikioutdoors and maybe someone should delete it from here...

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Talk:Car hire

Err... can this be an article, or should it be nuked? (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:47, 12 October 2006 (EDT)

 * How about just redirecting to Travel transportation? -- (WT-en) Ryan 22:03, 12 October 2006 (EDT)

 * I think the redirect would be good. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 11:05, 14 October 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Caribbean

So, I'm pretty sure that "Caribbean Islands" is not a proper name. It should have been left at "Caribbean islands", per the Project:article naming conventions. We don't capitalize common names in titles. --(WT-en) Evan 12:17, 5 Aug 2004 (EDT)
 * Why is Bermuda not listed here? (WT-en) Yann 12:12, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Bermuda is only borderline Caribbean, it's in the Atlantic far to the north of any other Caribbean island... but Wikipedia lists it as a Caribbean island, so it's good enough for me. Will add. (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:17, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Sorry, but in this case Wikipedia is absolutely wrong. Bermuda is no more in the Caribbean than the Azores or the Canary Islands are. It is a North Atlantic island more than 1000 miles from the nearest bit of the Caribbean. I've removed the link (WT-en) Jpatokal added. -- (WT-en) Chris j wood 18:52, 4 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * CaribDigita from Wikipedia here -- Bermuda *is* totally "Caribbean" leaning-- based on its political affiliations. Bermuda, outside of the offshore financial sector is moreso seeking a common future with the Caribbean.  Bermuda is an affilate of the Caribbean (CARICOM) Single Market and Economy (CSME), they are currently seeking independence from Britain to maintain its soverenty from the EU and right to un-hindered trade with the Caribbean.  Bermuda is also engaged in student exchanges with a few colleges in Barbados for example.  Its native business sector is primarily expanding into the Caribbean islands- as the single market moves closer to reality...  Bermuda may merge their stock exchange with the yet to be formed Caribbean regional stock exchange.  Bermuda is not considered "Caribbean" to many outside of the region even though it *is* in a point of view case much like Greenland is consider a part of Europe....
 * There's cases all over the world where 'Point of View' crosses paths with reality. Greenland-- is not considered a part of the Americas, but as a part of Europe-- even though it is clearly lies closer to North America. The twin island Republic of Trinidad and Tobago is considered "North America" by the Americans even though it lies ~8 Miles off the coast of Venezuela, S. America at the closest point.  Barbados is an exception as well.  It is considered as Caribbean even though it clearly lies in the Atlantic Ocean as well and doesn't actually touch the Caribbean Sea.  If you goto the CIA factbook though the image they made actually incorrectly states the Caribbean Sea is on the west coast of Barbados.  None the less, Barbados is still considered Caribbean even though it doesn't "fit the criteria."
 * Also, the Caribbean is considered a part of "N. America" even though its not actually a part of the North American tectonic plate.

Bermuda is just yet another exception to the rule, it is Caribbean-- based on identity, culture, affiliation and political ties. Just like Greenland is a part of "Europe" based on politics alone and not a part of the Americas. 68.166.235.246 CaribDigita

West Indies, Antilles
I wonder if West Indies might not be a better term to use here.

Also, the Greater Antilles, Lesser Antilles, and Bahamas are three sub-groups of the islands of the Caribbean. --(WT-en) Evan 13:01, 21 Nov 2004 (EST)

Good spot to reference---
The majority of caribbean islands have joined the joint marketing venture named the "Caribbean Tourism Organzation (CTO)" --based in Barbados. This site contains all of the links to the official state tourist boards online. [www.DoItCaribbean.com - Caribbean Tourism Organization] Good spot to start if anyone is just wanting to read-up on what's out there. 68.166.235.246 CaribDigita

Caribbean islands is a lame name
I can say that, because I think I named it.

If this title is going to be popping up in the Project:Breadcrumb navigation everywhere, I'd love to see it be Caribbean or West Indies. Any objections? --(WT-en) Evan 14:02, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * "Caribbean" alone is good. West Indies is a little old-fashioned and confusing. (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:50, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Caribbean is available, even! Good move. I was forever having to add island to the links for these places, whenever I just wanted to say ... is in the Caribbean. Perhaps this is the exception to the Bodies of water guidelines. -- (WT-en) Huttite 17:18, 10 Dec 2005 (EST)

Cayman Islands
Are they really in the Lesser Antilles ?

-- (WT-en) Beardo 18:23, 20 Feb 2006 (EST)

Netherlands Antilles in Lesser Antilles
Having the Netherlands Antilles listed as well Saba seems to be a little double. So either put all five islands of the Neth. Antilles in the list, or take Saba out. That way you have a little more consistancy in your list. Also if you have Saint Martin in the list for both sides of the island it might be nice to also add the official name for the Dutch side to the list, namely Saint Martin-Sint Maarten. The last is also the correct spelling of the name of the Dutch side in english.

 * With the future dissolving of the Netherlands Antilles, it seems more logical to add the individual islands. Also, Sint-Maarten is now listed, while it is a part of the Netherlands Antilles (and the French part is a part of Guadeloupe). It seems easier to just add them separately. (WT-en) Globe-trotter 09:33, 7 September 2009 (EDT)

Barbados airport code
Barbados should be BGI. BGT is Baghdad!!

 * Why not plunge forward and change it? It's easier to fix an article than to ask someone else to. :) - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:07, 24 July 2006 (EDT)

Turks & Caicos and more
Turks & Caicos is not part of the Lesser Antilles, they should be grouped with "Other Islands" like the Bahamas are.

Aruba I am not sure if it is techincally part of the Lesser Antillies, I suspect it is technically not. It is ussually refered to as part of the ABC islands along with Bonaire and Curacou, to place the Netherland Antillies as a whole in the Lesser Antillies category is thus technically wrong, only Saba, Statia and Sint Maarten are in the Lesser Antillies. This is a common problem in the Caribbean, there are several naming conventions used. As previously suggested, West Indies would make more sense and be easier, as all the islands could be in a single group and Bahamas and T&C would not have to be simply called "Other Islands" and there would be no confusion about what belongs where.

For what its worth, most people living in these various islands call them the West Indies and never use the name Antillies. But some islands are an exception, notably the Dutch islands, US territories and Hispanolia do not refer to themselves as West Indian.

My best suggestion would be the following grouping:

Nothern Caribbean (cuba, PR, caymens, etc..) Virgin Islands (US, British and perhaps even Spanish (part of PR)) Eastern Caribbean (St. Martin down to Trinidad) ABC Islands (Aruba, Bonaire and Curacou) Exterior Islands (Bahamas, T&C, Bermuda) None of these islands are technically a Caribbean island at all, which at the very least should be noted, at the moment it is only noted for Bermuda.

Links to south american and central american counties in the Caribbean should also be included, as they are indeed considered part of the caribbean, the article name is after all Caribbean, not Caribbean Islands. Or change the article name. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Russeasby (talk • contribs) 3 September 2006

 * I suggest we get rid of the whole "Antilles" and just place all the islands as a top-level grouping. Much as like done with Oceania and South America. There are no clear groups to make in the Caribbean. Now Cayman Islands is in Greater Antilles, which is just wrong. But it's also not in the Lesser Antilles. Turks & Caicos, Bahamas and Bermuda are all complicated and not listed, but we want to include them in this grouping as well. Aruba is not in the Lesser Antilles, etc. The list of wrong-doings goes on and on.  (WT-en) globe-trotter 19:16, 29 December 2009 (EST)

Map and Regionlist
Is a wee bit schizophrenic. Showing The Bahamas and Turks and Caicos on the map but not coded on the regionlist table makes no sense to me. As far as the traveller is concerned they are Caribbean destinations. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 13:07, 11 May 2010 (EDT)

 * Yep, I think they should be included. It's getting a very long list though. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 07:50, 12 May 2010 (EDT)

Regions
I really think we should create some regions for the Caribbean. The list is already very long and it will be even worse with the future dissolvement of the Netherlands Antilles. I am in favor of the following proposal:

 * Bahamas
 * Bermuda
 * Cayman Islands
 * Cuba
 * Dominican Republic
 * Haiti
 * Jamaica
 * Lesser Antilles
 * Puerto Rico
 * Turks and Caicos Islands

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 12:53, 3 July 2010 (EDT)

 * That is a decent proposal. /Yvwv (talk) 01:17, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

The get in section
Well the whole article needs work, but the get in section is particularly messy, compared to others. I understand the rationale behind it, but at the very least we should present the three letter codes in a form that makes sense to people who rarely fly (I don't know which percentage of Europeans would know what a IATA code is and could name more than a handful from memory). And maybe the "airlines" and "from X" sections could be consolidated in some way... Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:39, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreeing to that too. It's surprising how bad our coverage on Caribbean destinations in general is, given that 25 million tourists visit the Caribbean every year (presumably most of them from two very large English-speaking countries to the north). ϒpsilon (talk) 10:09, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Other destinations
Granted, Cuba is by far the largest country in the Caribbean in area and also the largest in population, but it is really best for 4 of 8 "Other destinations" to be in Cuba (and 5 of 9 until I deleted Baracoa for being a city, not a non-city destination)? At the very least, I would suggest that the 9th non-city destination be from somewhere else, but what do you think of spreading the destinations around a bit? The "Cities" list, which includes 2 Cuban cities among 9 total, seems more in proportion to me, though I wouldn't want superb destinations in Cuba to be removed if an attempt at fairness doesn't serve the traveler best. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:56, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

 * I agree we should spread out the destinations more. There are about 30 entities listed in Caribbean, so 4 out of 8 is definitely too many; 2 out of 9 like in the Cities is better.  ϒpsilon (talk) 09:52, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

 * Created sub-regions for the Leeward Islands, the Windward Islands, and the Leeward Antilles. /Yvwv (talk) 18:08, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Clean up Get in by plane section
There is a fairly comprehensive list of destinations and airlines in this long section, a good deal of which is probably no longer valid. Any objection to a clean up?

Ultimately this region is very well connected by plane to North America and Europe, with both scheduled flights and package tours. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:56, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I suggested as much two sections up. Please do go ahead. Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:21, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

 * Sorry, that seems to have been discussed earlier this year. Can update now. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:26, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Moving Bermuda to North America?
Bermuda is not even close to the Caribbean, geographically or politically. Should Bermuda be moved to North America, or maybe Islands? /Yvwv (talk) 11:53, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

 * Yes, I saw this rather angry sounding edit here about this. Although Bermuda does invoke Caribbean like images, it is as you say way out in the Atlantic ocean and better moved to North America. Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

 * As a counter-point, Bermuda is a member of the Caribbean_Community Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:55, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Camo clothing?
This article warns travellers not to take camo-pattern clothing to the region, claiming it is illegal for anyone but military or police to wear it in several countries.

I saw it on Facebook & one guy who lives in Jamaica commented that such a law exists there but is never enforced there except when a policeman wants an excuse to be bribed. He suggests that is likely true on other islands as well.

Is this real? Should we have an infobox about it here, or one for each country where it matters? Pashley (talk) 14:43, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

 * Well the closest to a "Caribbean" country I have ever been was Nicaragua and there the only people to wear that kind of pattern were active duty military and there was often a sign in bars that there is no alcohol to be served to minors or uniformed people... Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:10, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Haiti

 * Moved by the discussion about Haiti's description, going on in my talk page, I have just tried to merge and combine the two "suggested alternatives" and achieve consensus. It may be not the best phrasing and, as always, collaborations are very welcome. Ibaman (talk) 18:11, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Railways
this article may be of some interest Hobbitschuster (talk) 06:36, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Caribbean Islands (Venezuela)

Note on page

 * Based on my experiences of touring Venezuela in 1997. Kyle Sterry.

Name
Is this really the most elegant name for this region? Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:57, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Carinthia

I replaced the copy of WikiPedia:Carinthia (state) that was here with a stub. Wikivoyage and Wikipedia have different licenses and it's not OK to simply copy articles from one site to the other. --(WT-en) Evan 21:37, 21 Nov 2004 (EST)

Need help here. I really need the images in the gallery to be bigger. Simply adding "widths=320px" on the gallery tag causes the padding around the images to increase, without the images themselves increasing. The techniques described on this page do work if captions are not needed, but with captions, the div tag with un-ordered list just stacks up vertically. -- Marvin The Paranoid (talk) 19:45, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

 * I can't help with making photos bigger in the gallery, but per Image_policy galleries shouldn't really be used on Wikivoyage, other than for "showing multiple examples of a specific topic". --Ypsilon (talk) 19:54, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Carleton Place

This looks more like a country music festival advertisment.

 * Nope, it's a real place, with a very underdeveloped article. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:50, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

 * Definitely a real place. And the only reason I didn't just bump this up to "Usable" is because I can't add geo coordinates to the entries. --Robkelk (talk) 02:04, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Carlisle

I have added Willowbeck lodge as a good place to stay. It's slightly expensive for a b&b but in some ways it is closer to a boutique hotel.Located in Scotby, its not centre Carlisle but is very convenient for exploring both the City and surroundings.

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Talk:Carlow

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Comments
There's a few things the page needs, some of it requires local knowledge so I'm happy to fill that in over time.

1.) A rating! I'll leave it to others to decide whether or not this should be a Guide article :) 2.) A 'Learn' section. Carlow has two third-level colleges after all. 3.) A 'Cope' section. Dentists and dry-cleaners! 4.) More info on the establishments in the Eat & Drink sections. Info on opening hours and prices wouldn't go amiss I suppose.

Don't think there's any need for a 'Respect' section, so long as you don't strut around naked there shouldn't be a problem in this neck of the woods...

Anything else do you reckon?? (WT-en) Alan1989 19:33, 10 August 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Carlsbad (California)

Hey, great start on Carlsbad. One question about this link to Legoland-- I'm pretty sure that's not going to be a destination according to Project:What is an article? unless they've made a lot of changes since I was there. I know that seems odd since there is a Disneyland page, but the rule-of-thumb is whether it's a place you can eat, sleep, and drink... I think Legoland is more of an "attraction" under Carlsbad... (WT-en) Majnoona 09:13, 22 Feb 2004 (EST)

Disambig
There's now a Carlsbad (New Mexico) as well, should this article changed into a disambiguation page? (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:07, 7 Feb 2005 (EST)

 * Right. Probably yes, especially that there are more Carlsbads around... -- (WT-en) JanSlupski 21:52, 7 Feb 2005 (EST)

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Talk:Carlsbad caverns

Redirect
This article should be redirected to Carlsbad Caverns National Park after merging the content in. -- (WT-en) Jonboy 12:51, 7 October 2006 (EDT)
 * I don't see any content in this one that isn't already present in the original CCNP article. Redirect coming up. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 13:08, 7 October 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Carlsbad Caverns National Park

I'll be working on this during September. If there's something you'd like to see covered, please post a comment here and I'll see what I can do. (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 13:29, 4 Sep 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:Carnival Conquest

Vfd discussion
Article about a cruise ship. Does not meet Project:What is an article?. -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 15:13, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Hmmmm. Just found this: Wikivoyage_talk:What_is_an_article%3F -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 15:15, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Yeah, input on the more general question - and hopefully a consensus - is needed. This question has come up before and was never really resolved, and it's coming up again. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 23:04, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

VFD Discussion

 * Delete Commercial article of no value for travelers. (WT-en) jan 15:24, 2 September 2010 (EDT)
 * Keep (for now). There is still no consensus on how to handle cruise-related articles.  The discussion is ongoing at Project:What is an article?. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:44, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

Result: Redirected to Cruise ships per Project:What is an article?. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:06, 7 October 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Carnival Elation

I do not think that creating Carnival Elation is necessary. But write it and then we can comment on it. In other words Prove it to me. -- (WT-en) Huttite 17:40, 5 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * I figured someone would say that, you where quick about that. It is its own city. Also I would like to put it on the Galveston page but the page is still not working. --(WT-en) Texas Web Scout 17:55, 5 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * It is looking interesting so far.... But something under 900 feet (~300 m) long is not much bigger than a large building. I suppose it counts as a remote attraction or resort, so could be worthy of an article. I assume a major reason for the ship existing is that it has a floating casino that operates outside the 12 mile limit.
 * From the experince I had on this ship, the casino was kind of popular, but not a popular as you would expect. All of the live shows very popular, infact it was hard to find a seat.
 * Re the broken Galveston page. - See Galveston (Texas). It is an acceptable alternative page name and I can edit it, see if you can. To link to it use  Galveston (Texas)  and it will show as Galveston. -- (WT-en) Huttite 21:00, 5 Jan 2005 (EST)

Is this working out, or Delete?
So this article was supposed to be a test case regarding how to handle Cruise Lines. Personally, the article looks about the same as a high-end hotel description. And we don't do articles per hotel or per hotel chain. So I'm inclined toward nominating this for deletion, but would anyone care to defend the article first? To clarify, I think this could be a short, one paragraph 'get out' entry for each port of call or something, but that's about it. (Or should it be one paragraph get out for Galveston, but Get in/By ship on the ports of call?). -- (WT-en) Colin 19:25, 27 Feb 2005 (EST)

 * At this stage the article has had but one major contributor, who is now inactive. I am inclined to leave it here as an example for others. It looks like it has potential as another way of seeing travel but I do think it requires more than one serious contributor. -- (WT-en) Huttite 20:55, 5 Mar 2005 (EST)

Lionfish's thoughts

 * IMO I don't think it should be deleted. Although this isn't the sort of holiday I'd go on, it does describe a form of travelling, of sorts... Hmm, it seems a slippery slope to start deleting things like this.
 * People do describe guest houses and hotels. But the difference here is the point of the trip is the hotel... if that makes sense.
 * In general I don't think things should be deleted unless there's something really wrong with them. The worst case is noone ever comes here, and this remains unused.
 * Maybe we could have a 'cruise liner' page to put them all on?

Ben's Thoughts

 * Hello all I am back, I have been in the process of moving to Death Valley, CA. I have not been able to work on this page. But I will work on it now. Please give me a chance.

 * As Huttite points out, waiting a bit and seeing how this experiment works out could be a good thing. And it takes time for us to get eyeballs on the page -- it doesn't need to just be you.   In fact, it would be interesting to see what happens if others contribute their additions to the article.  So I won't interfere with this experiment this year.   Welcome back!  I'll be in Death Valle three or four weeks from now... how were the wildflowers?  I heard they were suposed to be unusual this year.  -- (WT-en) Colin 03:11, 29 Mar 2005 (EST)

Vfd discussion
Ditto. ~ 219.94.80.130 02:09, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

Outcome for the above three: Kept for now; discussion also archived at Talk:Cruise ships. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 21:36, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Carnival freedom

Vfd discussion
Ibid. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 23:08, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Keep. Cruises are a popular form of travel and this provides an unbiased opinion of one cruise ship 216.99.2.9 15:26, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

 * The question is whether that's enough to be the topic of an entire article. We don't have separate articles of that sort for hotels, for example.  Please join the discussion linked to above. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 16:53, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Carolina

This was previously listed as a region encompassing North Carolina and South Carolina. I had orphaned it and was going to put it on Project:Votes for deletion, but I realized it would probably work best as a disambiguation page. --(WT-en) Evan 11:25, 12 Dec 2005 (EST)

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Talk:Carova

Comments
My name is Shelley and I work at Twiddy & Company Realtors. I am the author of this content and it is OK for wikivoyage to use it. Just wanted to help you out some!

Thanks, Shelley

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Talk:Carrauntoohil

Hi, interesting info! I just wanted to make sure that this falls under Project:What is an article. Is this destination a place where people stay the night, eat, etc or more of a day trip? If it's mroe of a day trip we might want to make in an activity page like Hiking Carrauntoohil Mountain or something. And I notice you put N/A for "Get In," but not everyone knows how to get to Carrauntoohil or what the nearest major town is. thanks (WT-en) Majnoona

 * I think you mean Project:What is an article? (note question mark). I agree that unless this is more of an overnighter than a day trip, it should be listed in the article for the closest city. -- (WT-en) Evan 08:38, 11 Nov 2003 (PST)

 * OK, well, there is a more than enough room for a multi-day-trip there, but in most cases it will be a single-day hike (in fact, you can run it in a couple of hours). So, yes, it is definately more suited for a activity page than and article. OK, I've taken to plunge forward, not read too much... :-)

 * However, I don't think it is wise to connect things to cities. I mean, Ireland is relatively urban, but if you take Norway there are no cities to speak of where there are many of the best sights... Also, judging from the experience I had with the tourist office in Killarney, which is the nearest city to Carrauntoohil, well, none of them had the faintest idea what climbing the mountain involved, and I doubt they had even been there, so the city is largely irrelevant to the climb... (You bet the locals up there looked at me when I ask how severe it was, "well, we've got our sheep up there"... :-) ). So, classifying Carrauntoohil under Killarney would be a diservice to the readers and to the mountain. In Norway, there are many hotels outside of the cities, just drive along and suddenly there's a hotel... So, there are places to sleep even though there are no cities, even for non-campers...

 * Also, for this kind of activities, the complexity of getting there and get out usually wastly exceeds the complexity of getting to a city, so it warrants an explanation that goes far beyond that of getting to a city. So, the N/A was mostly "I'll return" :-)

 * However, I recognize the need for a sensible organization of stuff, whether they are articles or short stories, or whatever. Rather than organizing things by cities, there has to be several organizational methods, weblike if you wish, so that you can get to an article by thinking "city" or "what do I want to see". If you know a city, you follow links to a city, if, rather you'd like to see "large waterfall", you follow links to "waterfalls", and then, "nearest hotell" or indeed "nearest city", if you're interested in getting some roof above your head at night.(WT-en) Kjetil

 * Actually, that's not the tack we're taking with Wikivoyage at all. We're really trying to get single, well-organized city guides for cities and for destinations outside of cities (national parks, etc.) I think that if Carrauntoohil is a day-trip from a nearby city, it should be an activity listed in that city. Someone searching on the wikivoyage.org Web site for Carrauntoohil will still find it. -- (WT-en) Evan 05:59, 13 Nov 2003 (PST)

 * OK. Do you have any examples of entries that have a similar scope as what I'm trying to do? The example listed there is not adequate.

Itinerary?
Does this article qualify as an itinerary? ~ 61.91.191.11 03:05, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
 * It could be made into an itinerary, but at the moment it looks more like something that should be in the nearest town's do section. -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 08:38, 13 August 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Carronshore

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Should this be an article?
Perhaps it could be a part of the Falkirk page since it is small and has a Falkirk address and postcode.--(WT-en) Wandering 22:01, 10 November 2007 (EST)
 * I have nominated for deletion (WT-en) Tarr3n 11:17, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Casa particular

Merge
I guess this would be more appropriately named Cuba/Casa particular (or rather Private accommodation in Cuba) since it refers to this type of accommodation in Cuba only. Then it could also be listed as a travel topic. (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 21:07, 19 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Imported from the VFD page, because I wanted try to work out a consensus, here.

 * I think the information provided here is great, but doesn't exactly deserve it's own article. I believe the information should be condensed and explained in the appropriate section of Finding accomodation. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 23:47, 19 August 2006 (EDT)

 * The second author only added a "not cite its references" and a "needs to be wikified" tag, which do not show in the article here. I'd move it to a more appropriate title (as suggested in Talk:Casa particular) and keep it as one of our travel topics -- (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 08:14, 20 August 2006 (EDT)
 * I guess I shouldn't have been so lazy and should have actually done the dectective work. Still, is this a large enough topic that we should keep it?  -- Sapphire

 * How about creating a Bed and Breakfasts and Guesthouses article? I think most of the information here could be inserted in that type of article then redirect this article to Bed and Breakfasts and Guesthouses.  Making this article general enough shouldn't be too hard since it seems B&Bs and the casa particular type of accomodation seems very similar to me. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 10:34, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Casas particulares

Casas particulares

 * Marked as VFD back in August. Should either redirect to Casa particular (my vote) or else both articles should be deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan 21:02, 25 September 2006 (EDT)

 * Keep & redirect to Casa particular (there were a few links to Casas particulares, but I just edited them to point to Casa particular instead) ~ 203.144.143.7 05:58, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

 * Redirect (WT-en) Pashley 06:11, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Casco Bay

I think this redirect, if we don't want this to be it's own region, should be more specific than Maine. Would folks who know say it's more Greater Portland or Mid Coast (Maine) ? (WT-en) Majnoona 12:15, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

 * This is good for a region for the inlands in the Bay and under Greater Portland. Most of the islands are part of the city or of course adjcent to the city. Also, a number of the islands are travel destinations and of interest to the traveler. No redirect needed. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 23:00, 2 September 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Casentino

The Casentino is a important landscape in Tuscany. Now I begin this article.(WT-en) Pz-engl 13:03, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Casper

Museums
The Wyoming page claims that Casper has over 20 museums. Can anyone back this up? I can think of these:

Werner Wildlife Museum Nicolaysen Art Museum Ft. Caspar Museum

What are the other 17? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Embarcadero1 (talk • contribs)

 * Per it sounds like there may only be five major museums.  Similarly,  lists 18 museums, but most of those aren't actually museums.  It seems like the Wyoming page is probably incorrect. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:29, 23 May 2012 (EDT)

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Talk:Castellabate

Removed External Links
For a detailed reason why we cannot use external links in Wikivoyage, see here. -- (WT-en) Tim 10:49, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

 * Where to eat
 * Enjoy in Castellabate - Disco&pub (ita/ing)
 * Blue Flag
 * Sirena Leucosia
 * Castellabate Info & Travel (ita/ing)

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Talk:Castile-La Mancha

Name of article
According to the Project:Article naming conventions, the most common English name should be used for the title of an article. Castile is used much more commonly in English, so I think that the article should be moved back to Castile-La Mancha -- (WT-en) DanielC 08:36, 18 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Agree. Castile is more familiar to English speakers than Castilla. I note that Castilla La Mancha is also the Spanish article title, so the alternative name is understandable. But when the main regional article that refers to this and other similarly named Spanish localities also uses Castile then I have to wonder why this should be the odd one out. So I am moving it back to Castile-La Mancha. - (WT-en) Huttite 03:06, 28 February 2009 (EST)

Campillo de Ranas
Campillo de Ranas was added to the Madrid article, and doesn't belong there. It was mentioned in an interesting July 2008 UK newspaper article, "How a gay Spanish mayor brought life back to his village". This is the best home I could find for it in a short search. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 01:23, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Consensus to make changes
Apparently when editing stubs contributors here should not be bold, but extremely cautious. Apparently I need consensus to remove "Almansa" from the list of "Cities" (I guess the main touristical destinations or populated cities in this region). Does someone disagree with that? Is someone reading this page or actively editing this entry? I need also the opinion of someone else to move the migas image to the "Eat" section. I also need consensus to add a Wikidata ID to "Campillo de Ranas" (town that should be removed too from this entry [there are dozens of historical ensembles in Castile-La Mancha more interesting to the tourist than that little town], but since this entry is so poor I can live with that one being mentioned in "Other destinations" for now). Strakhov (talk) 16:08, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The issue I see with the edit is changing the section title. Also do not understand why need to move Almansa to another section. Adding the other locations as red link should be no issue. Suggest making the edits in stages to see where the objections really are.--Traveler100 (talk) 16:13, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I do not care about the section's title. I'm not gonna waste much effort on adding new cities either (that could be my mistake, since after all they are not touristical landmarks, though relatively "big"). I'm just stating Almansa is not that interesting touristical-wise to be next to Toledo and Cuenca, and, to a lesser degree, the other 3 province capitals. It's relatively small and it has a castle (as hundreds of towns in the region), a nice church and a palace. Strakhov (talk) 16:22, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, the thing is not to take the word City too literally and not in the Europe definition of the word. On Wikivoyage it is used for any location. Bit influenced by US American use of city. Also although this site is primarily a tourist topic it does cover all travel topics so a large town is of interest, maybe as a business destination for example. --Traveler100 (talk) 16:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I've no problem with the word "cities" and I understand it could cover smaller localities. Business destination could be OK for Puertollano. I don't see that fitting for Almansa. As far as I know no objections have been made but the lack of consensus, since in this entry I didn't even reach the 9-element-limit-on-lists. IMHO Sigüenza, Almadén, Almagro, Brihuega, Talavera de la Reina, Ocaña, some-town-with-windmills, or picking one from this list would come first before "Almansa" in a section of touristic "cities/towns" of Castile-La Mancha. Talavera de la Reina, Puertollano, Valdepeñas and Azuqueca de Henares come first through a "business" lens. I have nothing against Almansa, I'm just trying to improve this entry. Strakhov (talk) 16:45, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Castile-La Mancha, as a bottom-level region (directly above the cities, parks etc. themselves) doesn't have a 7 2 limit on the number of cities and other destinations. Quite the contrary, I think all destinations that have articles should be listed in the region article directly above it to avoid articles getting orphaned.
 * In regions higher up in the hierarchy the limit of the "9 most important" is in effect. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:24, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. OK, understood. But you said in Talk:Castile-Leon that red links should not be listed, generally, even in a bottom-level region, unless really important. I do not think Almansa is that important to be included as red link. Of course, it could have potentially its own entry, after all "Santa Lucía (Pola del Gordón)" has one. Strakhov (talk) 18:07, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Castlemaine

I've lived in Chewton for 7 years and this is the first I've heard of a nudist colony. Someone's pulling our leg.
 * gone. --(WT-en) inas 06:19, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

Do people really hitchhike in central victoria? I haven't seen it happen very often. --(WT-en) Joanna h 06:54, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

I've added a bunch of stuff but I'm local, travellers delete what I've written without fear and add your own information. —The preceding comment was added by 1.145.152.92 (talk • contribs)

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Talk:Catalan phrasebook

Wow! I'm really excited this article is started. --(WT-en) Evan 11:00, 1 Apr 2004 (EST)

Thank you, I'll try to go as fast as possible! --(WT-en) pstng 12:10 2 Apr (GMT)

We have a phrasebook template, but would it be faster to copy sections from the Spanish or French phrasebook? -(WT-en) phma 17:06, 2 Apr 2004 (EST)

Of course, this is what I'm doing. Just compare it with the Spanish one :-) -(WT-en) pstng 16:10 5 Apr (GMT)

The ela geminada shows up on my browser as "l*l". I tried replacing the "middot" character reference with a real raised dot which I found in the Catalan localization file for AbiWord, and it still showed up as an asterisk. It looks like a raised dot in the edit window. Anyone else getting that problem? -(WT-en) phma 17:07, 5 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Really? I'm using the html standard, not the keyboard sign... I use & middot ;, and the web browsers should read it. My Mozilla and the Internet Explorer I've seen do it well, although this may depend on the character configuration. If the problem is general, we could use a regular. instead. -(WT-en) pstng 07:10 5 Apr (GMT)

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Talk:Catalina Island

Moved this back to Catalina Island. This is OVERWHELMINGLY the most common usage by locals, residents, and tourists.

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Talk:Catalonia

Regions
I am very confused. We have four regions listed and then four provinces, all with the direct parent of Catalonia. Are they all in fact sub-regions? And one of the regions is the Pyrenees which is is not an article at all but a page of Wikilinks. Can anyone clarify?--(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:44, 28 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Yes we need to change the regions, as the current structure doesn't work. I'd say the regions should not be the provinces, as they at least need to incorporate the Costa Brava and Costa Daurada. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 11:52, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

 * This is a mess and a complete misunderstanding of a whole lot of things. If memory serves, people are stating that Regions need to be defined by touristic regions as opposed to administrative ones.  That's fine, but having Girona Province forward to Costa Brava is just flat-out wrong as well as listing Girona the town as the capital of this "region".  Costa Brava is in the Girona Province, not the other way around.  I can understand not wanting to granulate everything down to counties as Regions and attractions can span several, but you simply can't do this or your geography is going to end up in a state like the Barcelona page.  There are only four provinces in Catalonia.  Seriously, it can't be that big of a deal to break down Regions in to these?  This decision to follow what traditional guidebooks do is really a dead-end as they do it due to a limitation of space.  We aren't encumbered by this problem here and can properly organize things to flesh out piles and piles of content that simply isn't possible in a book.  I have no idea who eco84 is, but it appears he doesn't live in Catalunya and shouldn't be making these calls.  I'm tempted to undo every single one of his changes as they're factually inaccurate. Lastly, what the is that map on this page?  The "spheres of Catalunya"?  --(WT-en) primecoordinator 14:53, 20 August 2010 (PST)

 * That map shows the tourist regions of Catalonia and I think they are pretty good. You're right that the Costa Brava region is a bit too large, so adapt it as you find necessary. I think using the Provinces is a bad idea as many travellers have no idea what they mean. Even me as a Dutchy knows the Costa Brava, but I wouldn't have a clue about Girona Province. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 18:56, 20 August 2010 (EDT)

 * Does anyone on this site realize that there are tourists from Spain who do actually know these things? While you and the rest of the Netherlands may know "Costa Brava" as a term, American and Canadian tourists don't.  And that map is pointless.  Costa Brava is a tiny, tiny chunk of the seven counties included in it.  What of the rest of that?  That's why you need to break it down by provinces first.  This is like if you went from the United to San Francisco Bay Area and skipped the step of including California as a container between the two.  I'm not saying that Regions are invalid, but they serve no purpose and are geographically retarded if not enclosed in something smaller than an entire autonomous province. --(WT-en) primecoordinator 19:01, 20 August 2010 (PST)

 * I think the map is definitely not retarded, just the name "Costa Brava" is wrong for the area described. We better call that area Girona Region or something like that. For the rest, it's a fine map that follows the 1995 Regional Plan of Catalonia or the so-called "vegerias" . They are culturally significant, much more than the political provinces, which are just lines without any cultural, historical or geographical ties. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 11:18, 23 August 2010 (EDT)

I am a native Catalan but I don't understand the map. We have 4 regions called "províncies" (Barcelona, Girona, Lleida, Tarragona). In 2006 the Catalan Government stated, in the new Statute of Autonomy of Catalonia, to restore the so called "vegueries" as the official division, but this has not been applied. They are seven and it is the map you have in here. But those regions don't coincide with the touristic areas. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 88.19.203.122 (talk • contribs)

 * So as a native Catalan, which regions would you propose? --(WT-en) globe-trotter 11:35, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

 * I have now added the provinces as regions, and created a map. I hope that is okay. Barcelona (province) and Girona (province) already have more than 9 cities, so those provinces will need further divisions. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 18:07, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

 * Part of the problem is that "región" (region) described a different geographical concept under Franco, and this confuses people sometimes. When I talk to people, I use the word "zona" (zone) when in English "region" would be appropriate, which seems to get the message across. --Ejcaputo (talk) 09:57, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Travel warning?
With the violence over the independence referendum, should we have a travel warning for Catalonia? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 07:10, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Why would this really effect visitors? This is very specific protest, unless you go out of your way to look for it you are not going to get in to trouble. --Traveler100 (talk) 07:21, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd say let's wait a little and see how things develop. Perhaps there should have been a warning prior to the referendum, but now, I think we should see what happens for a little while. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:44, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Things are still very much in flux. Cooler heads might yet prevail and if I read the statements by the Catalan head of government right, he's not adding more oil to the fire, but much depends on whether any sort of negotiations take place or the whole thing is "resolved" through power and ultimately force. Hobbitschuster (talk) 08:02, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Personally I would wait until there's a declaration of independence or suspension of autonomous government that leads to major shutdowns of the Barcelona airport or the train system. --Dialh (talk) 20:39, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Quick answer - no Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:10, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Protests in the streets after several separatist politicians have been taken prisoner by the Spanish authorities, according to international news sources. Situation appears to be highly unstable, so added warning box at the top of the page. Perhaps someone living in Barcelona could comment on the situation? ArticCynda (talk) 01:12, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm from Barcelona and I think the box on top was a little bit too much. There have been no violence neither unrest other than some demonstrations. I removed the box and added a new paragraph inside 'Stay safe' section. --Aljullu (talk) 18:26, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for providing some local insights in the situation, Aljullu, I think the mention in the 'Stay safe' section is adequate since the matter seems to be settling down rather than escalating. ArticCynda (talk) 20:48, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Cities
There were ten cities in the list, so I removed Mataró, because the article has no banner and is an outline. To be fair, Reus and Lloret de Mar are also outlines, but both are more well-known travel destinations. If anyone has different reasoning, feel free to share it.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 00:27, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Disclaimer
I think we should have a disclaimer box that we do not take sides on the issue of Catalan independence. This is in line with our articles, such as for Xinjiang and Tibet, in which we state that there are active independence movements, and we don't take sides in the disputes, even though those areas are recognised as part of China under international law. The dog2 (talk) 19:59, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

 * I'm inclined to agree that Catalonia should be treated the same way as Xinjiang; as I understand it the political situation is similar with respect to sovereignty. But I would suggest that rather than adding the box here, it might be better to remove the boxes from Xinjiang and Tibet. Template:Disclaimerbox says it is to be used sparingly, and I think the situations with these three regions (and the Basque Country) are straightforward enough that the box may not be needed. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:16, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * A disclaimer is needed where there is a dispute over control — Taiwan/China, Transnistria/Moldova, Kashmir, Crimea. I do not think that anyone (other than fantasists) disputes that Catalonia and the Basque Country are a part of Spain, only whether they should be. We are not taking sides by stating the current situation. I would agree that the boxes for Tibet and Xinjiang should be removed as I'm sure that their independence movements would agree that China controls these regions (and that, after all, is what they say is the problem to be resolved). Ground Zero (talk) 20:19, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Don't you think those are a bit different? Tibet was annexed by China within living memory; Xinjiang is the centre of an ongoing cultural, if not actual, genocide. Although I don't know that I'd agree with the inclusion of a disclaimer box in the latter, since there's no question of Xinjiang extirpating itself from China any time soon. Catalonia has been part of Spain for centuries and the most recent referendum that resulted in a majority for independence was illegal and thus boycotted by much of the anti-independence electorate (therefore, it's not known how a free, legal vote would have gone and how the population breaks down).
 * Do you want to also add a disclaimer box for other parts of the world, such as Scotland and Northern Ireland, where there are movements to change the constitutional status quo, but no actual dispute over who the current sovereign state is? I think we should only be using these boxes where there is actually a legal grey area, such as in territories that have been annexed by a neighbour (e.g. Crimea), or where a country has declared independence but is only partially-recognised (e.g. Kosovo) or completely unrecognised (e.g. Nagorno-Karabakh).--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:29, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with Thundering. The fact that there is an independence/separatist movement should be noted in "Understand", but no disclaimer is needed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:43, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Tibet also has a more complicated history. It was annexed by China in the 1720 under the Qing Dynasty, but became de facto independent after the Qing Dynasty fell in 1912, as the new Republic of China government did not have the means to enforce their rule. But the ROC government never accepted their claim to independence, and most of the international community officially recognised it as part of China even though the ROC never had control over it. But anyway, we're not here to get involved in political disputes, so let's stick to the facts on the ground. At the moment, no country officially recognises Tibet and Xinjiang as independent countries (yes, I know most Westerners support their independence movements, but that's a separate issue), every country officially recognises them as part of China, and China also has effective control despite the fact that they have active independence movements, so in that sense, they are analogous to the status of Catalonia and the Basque Country. All I'm saying is that we should be consistent here. If we are to keep the disclaimer boxes for Xinjiang and Tibet, then Catalonia and the Basque Country should also have disclaimer boxes. If we don't think Catalonia and the Basque Country need disclaimer boxes, then Xinjiang and Tibet should not get them. The dog2 (talk) 20:49, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Right on your main point, but your sample of Westerners is very odd if you think most of them have any views on Tibet ("I think I heard it was high up in the mountains and, like, that lama guy came from there?") or have even heard of Xinjiang. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:00, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with Ikan Kekek on typical Westerners' views of Tibet and Xinjiang.
 * So far it seems everyone is good with removing the disclaimer boxes from all of these articles. If no one objects, I think that will resolve the issue. —Granger (talk · contribs) 22:08, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * As long as the policy is applied consistently, I have no preference either way. The dog2 (talk) 22:13, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Speaking of "typical Westerners" (boooo! hiss!), can we try to conclude the VfD nomination on Western world in the next day or two? :-)
 * Back to this, I'll remove the disclaimer boxes on Tibet and Xinjiang in two shakes of a lamb's tail.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:50, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

 * I regret coming late to this discussion, firstly. As a matter of fact, I visit Barcelona very often and have many friends there, almost all Brazilian expats. I vividly recall hearing from them, last time (Dec 2018), things like "wow man, them Catalonians whine too much, they already have huge practical autonomy, huge state money, La Liga's best team, and still, they keep whining". With all due respect for the meanings of 1711 and 1936 in recorded history, this sounds somewhat very similar to separatist right-wing bullshit about São Paulo (state) and Rio Grande do Sul wanting to secede from Brazil (very common in some E-bubbles for instance), which would obviously have no place in our travel guide. I guess this is worth mentioning at this point. Ibaman (talk) 23:13, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * There are actually political movements that argue that the annexations by the United States of Hawai'i and Texas were illegal, but their independence is not recognized by and other country, and does not, in fact, exist. Ground Zero (talk) 01:42, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * There's also an Alaskan Independence Party, which has gotten significant votes in some elections and even elected a governor in 1990. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:07, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Catawba Island

First of all "Catawba Island" is in fact NOT an island but a peninsula. There is not one hotel in the area and the one I have listed is in fact the closest. If the purpose of the site is to provide travel information and there are no other options closer why should this not be included?

 * All listings, hotel or otherwise, should be in the article of their actual domicile (or the nearest if there is no such article). Is the hotel you refer to in another location for which Wikivoyage has an article? If so, it should be in that article, not this one. And the same property should never be in more than one article. I trust that clarifies for you. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:12, 30 December 2009 (EST)

 * You must be referring to the Put-in Bay Resort which is already listed in Put-in-Bay. I have therefore removed it from this article. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:16, 30 December 2009 (EST)

Ok I was not aware of this. I have seen instances where a hotel might be located between two attractions or towns and listed on both. Thanks

I'm questioning whether Catawba should have it's own page. It is part of the City of Port Clinton. Mailing addresses, gps, ect would all list this as Port Clinton.

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Talk:Caucasus

isIn|?
The Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia articles claim to belong to Eastern Europe.

WikiPedia:Caucasus says "The Caucasus region is geographically a part of Asia ... but historically and culturally it is often seen as a part of Europe".

Either the Asia article is incorrect, or else the Armenia/Azerbaijan/Georgia articles need to be amended.

For now, I've removed Russia and the Caucasus from the Asia article. And I've redirected this article to Russia_and_the Caucasus.

 * I think that we have a geographical hierarchy policy, which means the Caucasus are part of Asia. The article should say it is part of Europe, culturally. Perhaps a cultural hierarchy is also needed? -- (WT-en) Huttite 15:12, 1 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * so Armenia/Azerbaijan/Georgia need to be removed from the Eastern Europe article?

 * No they can stay there because of the cultural association, though mention that it is cultural or political and not geographical. -- (WT-en) Huttite 16:51, 1 Jan 2006 (EST)

Trans-Caucasus Itinerary
I am interested in assisting in creating a 12-15 day trans-Caucasus itinerary with Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Armenia. Would anyone be interested in assisting me with this? (WT-en) Cupcakecommander 02:07, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

 * I think that would be a wonderful and very useful itinerary. I have a lot of experience with this sort of trip and would gladly help out. I am quite busy at present, though, with the establishment of a Russian language version of Wikivoyage, so I won't be able to turn my full attention to this for a little while. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:14, 31 Ju00ly 2007 (EDT)

Georgia-Russia border is open again
Check this: http://en.rian.ru/russia/20100302/158061211.html apparently the border is open again... can someone verify it? more sources? I think we should update the articles. (WT-en) Daniel32708 15:45, 7 March 2010 (EST)

 * It definitely has (just) reopened, but only the crossing on the Georgian Military Highway. The one thing I haven't been able to confirm is to whom it is open—limiting border crossings to CIS nationals has been pretty common in the post-Soviet Caucasus. Regardless, I imagine dealing with the Russian officials at that crossing would be hair-raising... rough part of the Federation! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:08, 8 March 2010 (EST)

Caucasus: geo political or geographical?
I'd like to ask, is this article about geography of the Caucasus or about geopolitics? 91.76.222.221 18:26, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Neither; it's about traveling to that region and the practical realities of doing so. LtPowers (talk) 19:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Final paragraph
@Ikan Kekek, I rewrote and moved the last paragraph from the intro due to the following reasons. First, Caucasus is not just the Greater Caucasus Mountains but also Lesser Caucasus mountains. If we include one, then we should probably include the other, which turns into a lengthy discussion about mountains that's best explained in its own section, so I created one. Secondly, it is not accurate to flat-out say that they these countries are "geographically considered part of Western Asia". Even by most restrictive definitions, such as the geography section of CIA Factbook, Georgia and Azerbaijan have at least parts of their territory in geographic Europe, as the two countries extend a little north beyond the Greater Caucasus mountains. Lastly, saying that they "have much in common with the neighboring Russian North Caucasus" is an inaccurate generalization. Neither Georgia nor Armenia has any ethnic, linguistic, religious, or political ties to the North Caucasus. Perhaps only Azerbaijan, and even that is largely due to religion.--Damianmx (talk) 12:34, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Thanks for explaining. Much appreciated. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:01, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Can we remove this paragraph?
I came across this paragraph in the "Understand > Culture" section:

"Armenia and Georgia are suffering from economic recession due to an economic blockade of Armenia by Azerbaijan and Turkey and of Georgia by Russia. Oil-rich Azerbaijan is essentially an old-fashioned dictatorship where the oil wealth is still not flowing to the entire population but only to a small elite."

Now let's see, GDP numbers show that Armenian and Georgian economies grew enormously from 2009 to 2019 (75% for Georgia and 50% for Armenia), hardly something I would call "recession". The comment about Azerbaijan sounds more like a subjective political statement than a verifiable fact - the fact, Azerbaijan is similar to Armenia in both GDP per capita and inequality-adjusted HDI, respectively a good representation of a country's wealth and a good representation of a country's social conditions. And regardless, this shouldn't be in the "Culture" section.

--Krauser levyl (talk) 02:02, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

 * Go ahead and remove it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:51, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Banner
Hey, I replaced the banner, but it sounds like I should have solicited feedback first to avoid stepping on toes. I think the old one was kind of desert anywheresville looking and not representative of the mostly lush and mountainous landscapes of this region (it's kind of the most beautiful region of the world). The new one is representative of the prettiest and most interesting landscapes and culture throughout all of the North Caucasus, Georgia, and Azerbaijan, if not so much Armenia. Anyway, here's the old and the new. Travelwriter1000 (talk) 22:49, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

 * New banner – the new one gives it more a feel SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:52, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

 * The new banner is much more attractive. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

 * New banner, definitely. The old one looks like an unidentifiable expanse of muddy terrain, and was bothering me for a long time now. Vidimian (talk) 23:34, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * New banner. Ground Zero (talk) 12:42, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Linking
Internal links says: "You also don't need to link an article every time it's mentioned in the text. For most travel topics, linking just once per article is sufficient, unless the references are widely separated in the text." I've removed a bunch of repeated links to make the article less cluttered. Ground Zero (talk) 12:42, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the fixes :) LGTM now. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:45, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Cavanal Hill

Cavanal Hill

 * Doesn't seem to be a destination. -- (WT-en) DanielC 08:30, 20 March 2006 (EST)
 * Delete or redirect. Is is not a destination! This information is covered on the Poteau, Oklahoma article. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 09:11, 20 March 2006 (EST)
 * Redirect. -- (WT-en) Jonboy 10:38, 20 March 2006 (EST)
 * Redirect to Poteau. -- (WT-en) Ryan 02:25, 23 March 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Cave Creek

does that link title thing need to be at the beginning of the page? when highlighted it says www.example.com? --(WT-en) CoonCat89 20:55, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Cayman Brac

List of Scuba Diving Operators:

Reef Divers (located at Brac Reef)

In-Depth Watersports (located at old Divi Dock)

The Village Scuba School (used to be located at Brac Caribbean. No boat; offers private lessons)

Son of a Brit Diving (new; expected to open in 2009)

(WT-en) -hh 17:57, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Cayman Islands

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Cayman Islands/CIA World Factbook 2002 import. -- (WT-en) Huttite 23:06, 27 Mar 2005 (EST)

Grand Cayman and Crime
Crime is increasing on Grand Cayman. Walking or riding a bicycle at night along dark roads puts one at risk for assault and/or robbery. Pedestrians also need to worry about being hit by cars in areas without sidewalks. Drunk driving/Hit and Run accidents have been a problem. The RCIPS regularly conducts road blocks to deter drunk driving, and makes numerous arrests every weekend. DUI is a serious offense in Cayman. Burglary is an escalating problem, with over 300 reported in the first 9 months of 2009/ lap tops and small hi-tech devices as key targets. Cayman is no longer the Camelot of the Caribbean. But you will enjoy a relaxing holiday if you take care to be aware of your surroundings and take normal precautions against petty theft of cash/jewelry/ipods.

But no need to be paranoid. While at the beach, no one will be stealing your lunch, towel or sneakers. Cayman thieves are not desparate individuals, and have no interest in normal personal effects or even snorkeling gear. Very likely they are just local teens looking for items that they can sell to other local teens.

Special note to women: Women traveling alone should be especially careful at night, as sexual assaults do occur. Carry a cell phone capable of emergency calls to local 911. If you feel you are being followed or inappropriately watched, take it seriously, and immediately call the police. The RCIPS is a very responsive, and extremely professional organization. They will take your complaint seriously.

Cayman and foreign workers
It would be interesting in the understand section to have some note about how the locals feel about all of the foreign workers brought in. Reading the local paper's website or listening to locals talk it is clearly an issue. Odoketa (talk) 18:21, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Maps
If anyone is interested in creating maps for the individual islands, they can be made quite easily from File:Cayman Islands regions map.svg, as it has fine details down to the smallest streets. --Peter Talk 19:56, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Specific listings moved from the article
Of course there should be no specific listings at this level. I move these here on the off chance they aren't duplicated in the article where they belong:

Budget

 * Eats Cafe provides a wide assortment of foods at a low cost
 * Wreck Bar & Grill, wide variety of food and drink, in a relaxed beach setting.
 * Wreck Bar & Grill, wide variety of food and drink, in a relaxed beach setting.

Splurge

(Sleep listings:)

Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:29, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Banner
I updated this banner. I'm not sure why it was chosen (money laundering, offshore banking?) but I replaced with something more travel related. Feel free to revert if there was a good reason for it. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:24, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Cayo

Cahal Pech has a sub-section on the San Ignacio page; perhaps it should be given a page of its own?

In Belize now (in Corozal), desperately looking for advice for best way to reach Cayo / San Ignacio without going through Belize City ... Advice much appreciated. --K

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Talk:CBD Belapur

Guys wats the place dats opened in Prabhat Centre.. Add in more things that have come up Lately.. CBD needs to be recognised as a seperate article.. wat say..??

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Talk:Côte d'Ivoire

Update since the CIA's article
The CIA information article ends before September 2002, when dissatisfied northerners (many of Burkinabe origin, discriminated against as 'foreigners') launched a coup attempt on President Gbagbo. The coup failed, but the rebels succeeded in taking the northern and western parts of the country, which is still partitioned. Travel is possible in the southern half - which offers the most rewarding possibilities for travel - but there are numerous roadblocks at which bribes often have to be paid. The roads are, however, in a reasonable state, although some become impassable in the rainy season.

Introduction
This information is based on the United Kingdom's Foreign and Commonwealth Office webpage. I think the information on the wikivoyage Ivory Coast page understates the hazards of the country considerably.--(WT-en) Lionfish 09:44, 20 Apr 2005 (EDT) (15:45BST)

January 2004

 * New forces rejoined government.

March 2004

 * PDCI accuse Gbagbo of stalling the reconciliation discussions. They stop participation in the meetings.
 * 25th: Pro-Marcoussis parties (PDCI and RDR) demonstrate on the streets. Over 100 people died in the resulting repression by the security forces.
 * Other parties join PDCI Boycott

April 2004

 * UN Peace-keeping force (UNOCI) began entering country

August 2004

 * Accra III accord signed: Requiring the president to pass all LMA legislation by October and to start the reintegration of the two parts of the country.

September 2004

 * UN Peace-keeping force in place (6000 troops)

October 2004

 * LMA legislation not yet passed. Reintegration not begun.

November 2004

 * 4th: Ivorian Government military fighter planes dropped bombs on rebel stronghold of Bouake.
 * 6th: During an Ivorian Government airstrike on a French military base (near Bouake), 9 French peace keepers killed and the Ivorian plane was shot down.
 * 6th-8th: Ivorian and French troops had multiple clashes in and around the city of Abidjan. ''Militia groups also attacked foreign businesses and homes.
 * 7th-8th: 8000 foreign nationals (mostly British and French) were evacuated by their respective embassies.
 * President Mbeki tried to resolve crisis with a 'roadmap' with little success.

December 2004

 * UN Security Council passed Resolution 1572. This condemned the actions of the goverment and endorsed the Accra III agreements. Arms embargos and travel bans were also imposed.

February 2005

 * Skirmishes in the Zone of Confidence

March 2005

 * Clashes intesified in the Zone of Confidence
 * All parties agreed to fresh set of talks in Pretoria in April

April 2005

 * 1st: Operations at the British Embassy in Abidjan were suspended

--(WT-en) Lionfish 09:44, 20 Apr 2005 (EDT) (15:45BST)

FCO Advise
The FCO has designated the Ivory Coast as one of only three countries it advises against all travel to. It no longer provides diplomatic representation in the country. Many other countries have also withdrawn their embassies.

--(WT-en) Lionfish 09:44, 20 Apr 2005 (EDT) (15:45BST)

Things to see and do
There are attractive and swimmable beaches at Assignie, beautiful old colonial buildings at Grand Bassam, more coastal resorts around Sassandra, while Abidjan is a fun and vibrant city, albeit one that erupts in tension from time to time. Yammoussoukro is well worth a visit, boasting a cathedral with the largest basilica in the world, a game park, and a presidential palace at which the sacred crocodiles can be fed. The most unique attractions remain the annual Man mask festival and the Tai (Tye-ee) rainforest where it remains easy to see chimpanzees. Since both of these are generally unreachable because of the partition of the country, this is not, therefore, the best time to visit Cote d'Ivoire and a visit to neighbouring Ghana is likely to be rather more rewarding.

 * Totally disagree about Ghana being more rewarding. They are culturally totally different countries. If you want a better level of security the closest to CdI is probably Senegal (WT-en) BozMo

Naming of Article
Shouldn't the article be under "Ivory Coast"? I am pretty sure Cote d'Ivoire is not the common English name of the country.
 * The UK's Foreign office calls it: "Ivory Coast (Côte d'Ivoire)"
 * The name was officially changed in 1985, 23 years ago, and unlike The Country Formerly Known As Burma there's no political dispute over it. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:11, 3 January 2008 (EST)

Isn't the basilica the 2nd largest, not the largest?

 * Yeah, what they pointed out. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 19:43, 2 January 2008 (EST)

 * I'll bet "Ivory Coast" is still more commonly used in English. This thread was hardly conclusive in proving otherwise. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:09, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

 * I'm a little late to this thread, but I've always called the country as Côte d'Ivoire. Typing "cote d'ivoire" on Google yields over 219 million results while typing "ivory coast" only yielded me 189 million results. FWIW, most English-speaking governments' foreign affairs page (including the Australian, Canadian, the NZ, and the US governments) exclusively use "Côte d'Ivoire". -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:19, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The UK government now refers to it as Côte d'Ivoire in its travel advice. Davidbstanley (talk) 09:28, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Where to put the Ramadan template
Right now, that template is hanging down well below the end of the article. Should it be put in "Understand"? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:40, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

 * It still is. I would support having it only in the Ramadan article, as this is a problem everywhere. In Understand it would need to replace the image – or the quickbar – like in many other articles. We don't have an infobox on the Easter in every Christian country. Instead write a sentence or a few on how Ramadan affects the traveller in this specific location and link the Ramadan article for the dates and more comprehensive general information. –LPfi (talk) 10:10, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Steer clear of Cote d'Ivoire?
From the "Get around" section of the article:

Most Western governments recommend that their citizens steer clear of Côte d'Ivoire.

Do they?

Here's the US State Department advisory. It is summarized in the first sentence:

 * Exercise increased caution in Cote d’Ivoire due to crime and terrorism.

Here is the Canadian government's advice:

 * Exercise a high degree of caution in Côte d’Ivoire due to crime and the prevalent insecurity in certain regions such as the area bordering Liberia.

 * Avoid non-essential travel to to the four western regions within 50 km of the border with Liberia—the Cavally, Guémon, San Pedro and Tonkpi regions—where there is a risk of armed attacks.

Someone else can look up other advisories, but I'm doubting that most Western governments are saying to stay away from the country, period. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:16, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

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Currency
In this edit some information was deleted. The move, according to West African CFA franc, is now scheduled for 2027, at which appropriate time we can update the currency information. At this point, I agree with the IP that with 2027 being five years away, this information isn't relevant to the traveler. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 23:02, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Cúcuta

I've reverted this page to conform to the Project:Manual of style for the English site. Please consult that document before making any further changes to the structure of this page. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 14:36, 9 June 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Ceará

Regions
This state appears to be ready for a split in subregions, any suggestions on how to do that? Maybe like on or can we do with a bit fewer regions?, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 17:58, 8 August 2011 (EDT)

 * Well, finally getting around to it, with one fewer subregion than on pt: (which is also not a thoroughly implemented scheme). Here goes... Based on the official mesoregions of the state, but combining the rural central south one with the southern one, we have:
 * South and South Central (Ceará) - this map plus this map
 * Sertão (Ceará) - map
 * North (Ceará) - map
 * Northwest (Ceará) - map
 * Grande Fortaleza - map
 * Jaguaribe - map
 * Any comments? Texugo (talk) 02:23, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

title: Talk:Ceará