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Talk:Cebu City

Stay safe
The Stay safe section includes the text:
 * If you're male and look remotely foreign or tourist-like, you will likely be accosted by prostitutes (both genders, plus ladyboys) and pimps.

What about female visitors? Should they expect offers from hookers? Johns? Pimps?

Also, should we tell the men that if prostitutes are of interest, they patrol Ayala & other malls and can be picked up there in better lighting & without pimps? Or suggest the girlie bars around Mango Avenue? Pashley (talk) 18:12, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

 * I expanded the text about girlie bars at Cebu_(city). These are a major tourist attraction for some & I do not think I've gone too far. Other opinions? Pashley (talk) 16:52, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

 * I have edited that section further and also made edits at Philippines to which it now links. This is a touchy area (no pun intended!), so both probably need review. Pashley (talk) 21:16, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

 * I could add pricing info for prostitutes, but haven't. Does anyone think that would be a good idea? Pashley (talk) 21:50, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

 * Bump! This really needs a second opinion. I think the current text is fine, but I wrote it. I suspect at least some people would object. Pashley (talk) 00:25, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

 * I also expanded the text at Cebu_(city). Pashley (talk) 15:38, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Worth adding?
TIDE, a co-working space in the IT Park, perhaps useful for digital nomads. Pashley (talk) 19:43, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Web site now says "Closed until further notice." Pashley (talk) 01:26, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Marriott Cebu -> Seda?
Someone just deleted the listing for Marriott Cebu, saying it has closed down. I was surprised, so I checked & found Cebu City Marriott Hotel to close in January. OK.

But that story includes: "AHRC has appointed its wholly-owned hotel brand Seda to manage the hotel in 2018 after refurbishing its rooms and amenities." Should we restore the listing & just change the name to Seda? Create a new listing for Seda? I'd say we should have something; this is a large hotel & very well located. Pashley (talk) 12:34, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * If a hotel changes brand than should just be edited not deleted. --Traveler100 (talk) 16:31, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I added a listing at Cebu_(city), but it needs improvement. Pashley (talk) 01:42, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Supermarkets again
Site policy is not to be a "yellow pages" listing everything, but rather to list only a moderate number of useful or important places. Despite that, people keep adding long lists in this article. Some have been deleted before; see Talk:Cebu_(city)/Archive_2014-2017 & Talk:Cebu_(city)/Archive_2014-2017.

I think the recently-added Cebu_(city) should go. Other opinions? Pashley (talk) 00:25, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

 * no as the Mall list only has high end supermarkets there. is only two on the list and both are lower priced places. travellers are also looking for shopping and lower end costs not high class places -- unsigned
 * Wikivoyage aims to serve travellers at all budget levels, not only those looking for low-cost places. That's why our hotel and restaurant listings have "budget", "mid-range" and "splurge" categories. But since supermarkets are easy to find in a city like Cebu, there isn't much point listing just a couple. Travellers will find supermarkets close to where they are staying, and aren't likely to cross the city in search of a listed one. Ground Zero (talk) 14:15, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * And since all of the other times in the article use the 24-hr clock, why should supermarket listing use the 12-hr clock, and use different formats? Surely we should make things simpler for the reader. Ground Zero (talk) 14:32, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

 * ✅ Removed. Preserving below, though I doubt it is necessary. Pashley (talk) 03:50, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

The Buy section starts with
 * There is quite a bit of shopping in various neighbourhoods of Cebu, especially in the old downtown Colon area and around Fuente Osmena Circle.

and ends with:
 * A lot of the locals shop mainly along Colon Street which has several department stores which are generally cheaper than those in major malls, plus a lot of smaller shops.

I think that is enough; we do not need details for anything except the major malls. Pashley (talk) 01:38, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Low cost Supermarkets

 * These Supermarkets are not in any mall and cost less than mall supermarkets.

And again
I've removed excessive detail on malls and supermarkets again. Let's remove just to revert this cruft when it is is added. Ground Zero (talk) 01:47, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Carbon Market location
Current coordinates of the listing here are same as Wikipedia article and on Google maps. But this is in the water! --Traveler100 (talk) 18:48, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Santa Rosa Falls
removed see listing as no information about where it is. If you have more information, please add back. --Traveler100 (talk) 10:58, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

 * I believe it is in Santa Rosa Brgy, Danao, see YouTube video. There used to be dozens of such misplaced listings, but I think just a few are left now. Pashley (talk) 14:10, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Restaurants
Most of the eat entries are budget entries. Anyone with local knowledge who could recommend some "mid-range" and "splurge" establishments? --Traveler100 (talk) 07:09, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

removed listing
Moved this as does not say where it is. --Traveler100 (talk) 19:33, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

 * CPDRC Dancing Inmates. I've seen claims visitors could dance with them (as the above seems to imply) & claims the program was shut down a year or two back, but I'm not at all sure either claim is correct. Pashley (talk) 22:11, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Interesting, maybe there should be something about this in the article. --Traveler100 (talk) 22:14, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Book stores
The book store listings just appear to be general chains, not specialist shops you would go out your way to visit. Are these worth listing? --Traveler100 (talk) 07:08, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

 * I think so. I live in Dumaguete & two out of three (National & Book Sale) are chains that also have locations there, but I still visit these when I'm in Cebu. In particular, Book Sale have used books & browsing several locations improves your odds of finding good ones. Pashley (talk) 12:06, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Girlie bars
These are rather a popular attraction for some tourists & I have added text about them at Cebu_(city) that needs review by others. Earlier discussion at on this page. Pashley (talk) 19:47, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

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Destination of the Month?
What does this article need to become a Dotm? /Yvwv (talk) 13:09, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

 * Is it too soon? Metro Cebu was DotM In January 2020. Pashley (talk) 10:15, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It's well past the two-year requirement so technically it can be featured. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:29, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

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Article name
Why is this at "Cebu (city)" with Cebu City as a redirect? I think it should be handled like Quebec City and New York City with the article name matching what people actually call the place.

Does anyone object or can I just go ahead & fix this? Pashley (talk) 11:25, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

 * ✅ No comment in a week so I made the move. Pashley (talk) 02:22, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Cebuano phrasebook

Phrases
Moadto na ko

I am going now

Merge?
We currently have both Bisaya phrasebook and Cebuano phrasebook. Shouldn't we have just one? Pashley (talk) 03:40, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Bisaya turned into a redirect, discussion at Talk:Bisaya phrasebook.
 * Old version saved at Cebuano phrasebook/Bisaya, needs merging here but that would best be done by someone who speaks the language so I will not attempt it. Pashley (talk) 04:18, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

 * Bump. Over a year & I do not think any merging has been done. Do we have anyone who speaks the language & could do that? Pashley (talk) 16:11, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Cedar Point

vfd discussion

 * Delete. Doesn't really constitute a need for an article. This should be a listing in Sandusky only. (WT-en) Sapphire 05:38, 1 April 2006 (EST)
 * Keep. Project:What is an article? explicitly mentions large amusement parks, and this is apparently a large amusement park.  (WT-en) Jonboy
 * Keep. Cedar Point is a major amusement park, and yes: you can sleep there. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 10:50, 3 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep... ish. "Large amusement parks" is an exception, not a rule. I'd think of Disneyland as a better exception, in that its internals (TomorrowLand, the Matterhorn) have become part of American culture. I'm not sure I know any of the attractions at Cedar Point, but I'll take JB and TVB's word that this amusement park is comprehensive enough to be an exception. --(WT-en) Evan 10:08, 6 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Didn't this discussion end more than a year ago?  For some reason the "marked for deletion" tag appears on the article now.  Don't delete, keep it.  Cedar Point is a major destination, and yes, people actually live there, at least during the summer.
 * Keep. Cedar Point is a major destination, 7 million visitors a year to Erie Cnty. and it does have a place to sleep, (several hotels) as well as about three miles of very expensive homes.

Adding links to other websites
Hi, I have seen many places in this article where link to either English Wikipedia or Coasterpedia (http://coasterpedia.net) (whichever provides a better article) would fit in well, but I'm not sure what the system is for WikiVoyage (never been here before), can someone tell me what the guidelines are on linking within articles? Thanks. NemesisAT (talk) 15:46, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not done. See external links. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:14, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

"Thrill rating"
Wikitables aren't so common in Wikivoyage articles, but I think this one is very helpful to people planning a visit. But how were the thrill ratings arrived at? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:36, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you - I was nervous adding them - but thinking from a traveler's perspective, concluded they would be helpful. The thrill ratings listed are set by the park. Would it be helpful to explain that a bit or link to their listing? Thanks! --Varnent (talk)(COI) 18:51, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, absolutely helpful. I think the explanation is pretty essential, and I think the link would be fine. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:32, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Cedar Rapids

Wikipedia
Please see Project:Cooperating with Wikipedia for a discussion of why Wikipedia text cannot be copied into Wikivoyage, and Project:External links for a discussion of why Wikivoyage doesn't have long lists of external links. The contributions are much appreciated, but we need to be very careful of copyright violations and would prefer to have content within Wikivoyage, not linked to. -- (WT-en) Ryan 18:42, 21 Feb 2006 (EST)

Good luck
Touched all sections I think, trying to clean up or start a positive trend. Hope to see this page grow, and a pic or two! Good luck, CR! Drew Zepppep 22 Oct, 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Celle

Infobox
I'm placing the infobox here because we don't use them for city articles. (WT-en) texugo 09:06, 24 August 2011 (EDT)

Broken listing
This mess of a listing was preventing the rest of the article from displaying. Maybe someone can save it and reinsert it. (WT-en) texugo 09:15, 24 August 2011 (EDT) Cuisine & Style: International - Bar, Restaurant & Bar Average main course: €10 Average spend: €15 Opening hours: Mo-Fr 17.00 Uhr bis open end Sa-So und an Feiertagen 9.30 Uhr bis open en Book Happy Hour - täglich von 17.00 - 19.00 Uhr * Book CAIPI HOUR - täglich von 23.00 - 01.00 Uhr - alle Caipi-Variationen nur 4,50 € - Jumbo-Caipis für nur 6,90 € Book JUMBO HOUR - täglich von 19.00 - 23.00 Uhr - alle Jumbo Cocktails für nur 8,90 € Book BRUNCH - Jeden Samstag, Sonntag & an Feiertagen von 9.30 - 15.00 Uhr für NUR € 9,90 pro Person Book ALL YOU CAN EAT Jeden Montag von 17.00 - 0.00 Uhr - Schnitzel satt für NUR € 9,90 Book SALSAPARTY - Jeden ersten Donnerstag im Monat - ab 18.00 Uhr Workshop - ab 19.00 Uhr Party Book 2 FOR 1 SUNDAY - Jeden Sonntag von 16:00 - 0:00 Uhr 2 gleiche Gerichte zum Preis von Einem* An innovative restaurant and bar concept, the success of Bolero's 12 restaurants throughout Northern Germany has attracted guests of all ages for 19 years. Popular during the day, Bolero is particularly inviting in the evening when the cocktails accompany the cuisine from the Mexican-Mediterranean fusion menu. The drinks menu is highlighted by this list of 120 internationally-loved cocktails, covering all the classics as well as the speciality caipirinhas and coladas. In addition to the classic tortilla-based choices, Bolero's food menu is highlighted by crunchy salads and delicious pasta dishes, in addition to steak, fish and vegetarian dishes. The philosophy of Bolero is to offer a gastronomic experience that is both honest in price and performance. The friendly, lively staff ensure a competent service and a warm approach to the needs of their guests. As you would expect at Bolero, the satisfaction of the guests and quality of cuisine are the top priorities.
 * <eat name="Bolero Celle Hafenstr. 2, 29223, Celle, Tel: +49 51412085404

Get in by plane
This article needs to cut down on the detail on these other city's airports (such detail needs to be moved to the respective city articles), and this article needs to just point to those articles and focus here on just telling how to get here from those airports. I'm going to go ahead and remove the addresses now as for airports they tend to be mailing address unhelpful to the traveller anyway, but this section needs to be cut down quite a bit beyond that too. (WT-en) texugo 10:36, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

Status of this article
User:(WT-en) HohneG6 asked for comments on the status of this article. Definitely at Guide standard and quite a strong one at that. Congratulations to those who have worked on the article. One little quibble - it would be good to see a Contact section with details of public internet facilities and any other relevant communication info.--(WT-en) burmesedays 09:46, 30 August 2011 (EDT)

Engraving?
I'm a little concerned that this image does not conform to our image policy which says "Wikivoyage does not use montages, or really any type of image other than maps or simple photography." We do not normally use artist's impressions, and only very rarely do we use historical photographs, and this image is both of those things. Does anyone share my concern here? (WT-en) texugo 10:59, 11 September 2011 (EDT)
 * According to current policy, that image should be removed. I happen to think it adds to the article, but policy says not to use images of that nature. --(WT-en) burmesedays 11:12, 11 September 2011 (EDT)
 * I'm not fussed either way, but it seems a pity - what's the reason for the policy? Is it law or can there be exceptions? It's there to complement the historical section, so it's apt. --(WT-en) SaxonWarrior 15:15, 11 September 2011 (EDT)
 * I know of one exception to the historical photographs thing at Hiroshima (a well-reasoned exception, I reckon), but I don't know of any instances where we have allowed an artist's impression to be used. I imagine the rule's there because art is more subjective and if we start allowing artists' impressions then we'll never all agree on the aesthetic merits of each one. Plus, such images lend a more encyclopedic flavor to the article, something we try to avoid. (WT-en) texugo 20:51, 11 September 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Cenotes of the Yucatan Peninsula

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Cenotes of the Yucatan Peninsula
An anonymous user nominated this page without comment. It does, however, appear to be a feature rather than a destination, as the possibility of finding lodging in an underwater cave seems somewhat dim. Besides, the various caves are not physically grouped together.
 * Delete and put the general information in the Yucatán Peninsula article and the specific information in the article of the nearest city.(WT-en) Texugo 01:56, 18 December 2007 (EST)
 * And on second look there is already an itinerary article for Cenotes of the Yucatán that could also absorb any additional information.(WT-en) Texugo 02:01, 18 December 2007 (EST)
 * So Merge and redirect? (WT-en) Pashley 02:23, 18 December 2007 (EST)
 * Redirect for sure, with optional merge, but not clear to where. Might "Cenotes of the Yucatan" be the correct root article, consistent with our naming conventions as regards diacriticals?  Unless I miss something, the diacritical-free name should be preferred under most conditions. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:11, 18 December 2007 (EST)
 * Merge and Redirect Move photos to other pages. The Cenotes of the Yucatán article is a good one and I can imagine helpful to a visitor.
 * Delete Photo's have no license. 65.24.110.210 15:36, 8 January 2008 (EST)

 * Keep & redirect to Cenotes of the Yucatán. See also . ~ 58.8.213.154 14:15, 9 January 2008 (EST)

'''Merged into Cenotes of the Yucatan. Redirected.''' --(WT-en) Wandering 14:10, 23 January 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Cenotes of the Yucatán

Sources in Spanish
La Ruta de los Cenotes is basically an ecotourist development project sponsored by people in the state governments of the Yucatan. Nobody has translated anything about the project into English yet. So if you are interested in what you've read so far, and you want to find more of the cenotes listed, you'll have to rely on Spanish links for now. (WT-en) HLM 10:02, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

 * La ruta de los cenotes, un mágico encuentro

To do
List the cenotes along the route, how to find them, where to find guides for them, etc. (WT-en) HLM 09:37, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

Article name
Wikivoyage policy is to use the "most common English name" for destination articles, and all of our itinerary titles are brief descriptions of the trip in English. If this route were already well-known by this Spanish name, I could see making an exception, but it's not, and "Route of the Yucatan Cenotes" (or something similar) would be a clearer title for someone browsing the Project:List of itineraries page. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 10:20, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Dude. Sorry to disappoint you. This thing don't have an English name. If you want the "Route of the Yucatan Cenotes" then I'd like to be there to watch you ask one of the locals where it is. (WT-en) HLM 10:34, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Then the article should explain what it's called in Spanish. The title of the article should be meaningful to people who speak English, because that's the audience for this version of Wikivoyage. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 11:52, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

 * I think HLM is right - a google search for "Route of the Yucatan Cenotes" comes up with zero hits, and "Route of the Cenotes" comes up with 3 hits. There's an exception to every rule, I guess.  I would strongly suggest, HLM, that you come up with a good description on the itinerary page and the article page, so non-Spanish speakers actually understand what this route is about (it took me awhile to figure out that cenotes = sinkholes. -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 11:08, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

 * That's not a meaningful test, because those aren't names; they're descriptions. You're not going to find many hits for "One week in Eastern Tasmania" either, but that's the name of one of our itineraries, because that's a description in English of it.  That's how we label itineraries, and I don't see any reason to start obfuscating them by putting them in other languages.  Searching for "La Ruta de los Cenotes" comes up with only 41 distinct hits.  And if you restrict the Google search to pages in English, you get only 1 hit. Maybe someday it'll be so well known that this phrase will be meaningful to English speakers, but right now it's just an ordinary description in Spanish. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 11:49, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

 * You're right - I take back what I said. I was under the impression that "La Ruta de los Cenotes" was something similar to Route 66, when really it's more like a list of "Sinkholes in of the Yucatan". -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 11:59, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

 * A better analogy might be the Ice Age Trail in my native Wisconsin, which connects a broad set of otherwise unlinked roads and trails where one can see related geological features. La Ruta de los Cenotes is an official effort (mostly promoted by tourist authorities and developers, of course) to create interest. Todd, since you are from western Michigan, maybe the Great Lakes Circle Tour is a good analogy, since it seems to be very well signed. (WT-en) HLM 12:43, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Maybe I'd find these precedents more compelling if you weren't creating those stubs as you went along. -(WT-en) Todd VerBeek 14:12, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

 * I was surprised they weren't here already, so I created stubs. Wikivoyage is still very underdeveloped as a travel guide. Very basic things are still lacking an article. I always create a stub when there should be an article. (WT-en) HLM 15:09, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Yeah, Wikivoyage is only a few years old, and a travel guide doesn't attract the same level of participation as a general-purpose encyclopedia (for example). When you create new articles, please include outlines for them; we really prefer to avoid stubs around here.  Just click the appropriate article type on the new-article page.  And before you create an article, please consider that in some cases the reason we don't have an article for something is because it doesn't meet Wikivoyage's guidelines for a valid article.  I haven't had time to check on that Wisconsin footpath you mentioned (and the stub doesn't give enough information to tell), but if it were the sort of thing that someone might traverse in a day, then it wouldn't be worth creating a separate article for, because we could cover it in the article for the region it's in.  And just because someone designated an official driving tour somewhere, that doesn't mean we have to create an article for it.  Consider first whether we have something to add that the official brochure doesn't have. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 14:29, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

 * There's a free picture of a cenote over in the English Wikipedia. This is my first day contributing here, so I am not sure if I should copy it from over there, or link to the file there in some way. What do you suggest? I'm doing research right now in preparation for a trip to the Yucatan, and I plan to spend several days along this route. I'll take pictures, but a lot of this stuff is just too amazing for pictures, that's all I can say! (This will be my third trip to the Yucatan.) (WT-en) HLM 11:20, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Take a look at Project:Copyleft and Project:Image policy; these explain our policies on handling images. They do have to be uploaded to our system, and to do this, the image has to be either public domain, or licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license for us to use it.  Most Wikipedia images don't qualify. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 11:49, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

For those who haven't been to Mexico, creating rutas for tourists seems to be an obsession of Mexican state governments. So actually, there are many such routes, all with names like Ruta de los ____. For example, there is the [Ruta de los Conventos] for those who want to visit convents, the Ruta Puuc for those interested in the Puuc indigenous culture, the Ruta Maya, the Ruta Azteca, etc. Or how about the Ruta Dominica de la Mixteca, which is promoted by the government of Oaxaca. These are in effect official itineraries, and perhaps they are named in Spanish because following tourist itineraries is of interest to Spanish speaking tourists (who often come from Spain, Argentina, etc). They can all become future articles here on wikivoyage. Anyhow, my point is these are official lists that are created by somebody in Mexican government for promotional purposes, and the phenomenon seems to be a cultural feature of how Spanish speaking people like to travel. (WT-en) HLM 12:34, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

 * I believe they're named in Spanish because the government speaks Spanish. If the government ever decides to market them in earnest to los Yanquis, I'll bet my parents' condo in Jalisco that they translate the names into English. Our cardinal rule here is that the traveller comes first. For example, if the government draws region boundaries that don't make sense from a travel perspective, we don't use them. Or if the government says that the name of the country is "The People's Imperial Democratic Republic of Freedonia" but it's better known to travelers as "West Freedonia", we call it "West Freedonia". So if the government describes a group of travel destinations in a language that readers of the English-language Wikivoyage won't understand, why should we use that description? It simply makes no sense as the title of an itinerary in this guide. Stop editing for a minute and look around at, say, Project:List of itineraries and Project:What is an article? for a sense of how this community does things. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 14:12, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

 * The vast majority of Americans stay in big hotels in Cancun and maybe see one Mayan site or cenote through a tour bus company that takes them there in an air conditioned bus. So it wouldn't do the Mexican government much good to market that way. But if you want to find sites on your own and get a little deeper into Mexico, it helps to observe local names in Spanish and official local signs. Through wikilinking, it's easy to use official Mexican names and yet associate them with the right articles and places, and thus help anglophones who are traveling independently in the region to understand the signs they see and find the sites they are looking for. The great thing about using the Mexican names (some of the big guidebooks use these names too) is that they collectively refer to a whole set of attractions, to an itinerary. (WT-en) HLM 14:38, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

 * What's wrong with Mexican names is that they are in Spanish, and therefore are not good titles for Wikivoyage-English itinerary articles. The rest of the arguments you're making are beside that rather simple point.  I've renamed the article to Cenotes of the Yucatán, which still requires understanding the meaning of "cenote", but at least is intelligible to our audience.  The article still explains what name to look for when the traveler gets down there. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 13:35, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Central African Republic

Travel by truck.
A lot of travel in Africa is done by truck. If you go to a truck park, normally near the market, you should be able to find a truck driver to take you where ever you want, conflict zones aside. You travel on top of the load with a large number of others. If you pick a truck carrying bags of something soft like peanuts it can be quite comfortable. Beer trucks are not. If the trip takes days then comfort can be vital, especially if the truck goes all night. It helps to sit along the back, as the driver will not stop just because you want the toilet. The cost has to be negotiated so ask hotel staff first and try not to pay more than twice the local rate. Sometimes the inside seat is available. Food can be bought from the driver, though they normally stop at roadside stalls every 5/6 hours. Departure time are normally at the start or end of the day, though time is very flexible. It helps to make arrangements the day before. It is best to travel with a few others. Women should never ever travel alone.

Travel to/from Sudan. If the situation in Darfur in Sudan calms down, trucks will resume to/from the Sudan border to Bangui. The trip is an exceptional adventure as it passes through jungle and backwoods Africa. However the road is dirt near the Sudan border and turns to a mud bog during the wet season. Consequently a two/three day trip can turn to a two/ three week trip as you winch from bog to bog. Take extra food etc. Always book through the whole way or you may be stranded in the middle of nowhere.

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Central African Republic/CIA World Factbook 2002 import. -- (WT-en) Huttite 23:10, 27 Mar 2005 (EST)

Regions
Now this is a difficult country to divide, given that it is sparsely populated and there is very little reliable info about it.

There's no real defining lines between regions as it's mostly a gradual transition from jungle to sahel/Sara as you go S-N, so the only decent breakup of the country is to unfortunately use political boundaries (not that "regions" are important in the CAR). Using, the regions may roughly correspond to: Southest (Sangha, Haute-Sangha, Lobaye, Omballa-Mpoko, Kemo-Gribingui), North (Nana-Mambere east through the western half of Bamingui-Bangoran, including the city of Ndele), Northeast (the other half of Bamingui-Bangoran, Vakaga, and the northern half of Haute-Kotto, not including Bria & Yalinga), Southeast (everything else). Feel free to smooth out borders, these regions are not an exact science! In the way of important thing to include on a map: As far as what to include outside the CAR, the map I linked to can be reduced at the top & bottom so that Nyala, Sudan is visible and, in the south, the northern bend of the Congo with the towns of Lisala & Bumba are visible. The roads that pass through these cities were once the main routes from Sudan & DRC (and Uganda), with the road through the northern DRC once being the main E-W route across central Africa (back when Angola was inaccessible & before the conflicts in Darfur, DRC, and Eastern CAR began). Other cities outside the CAR that should be included are Yokaduma, Cameroon & Ouessa, Congo (both important on overland routes to D-Z NP)and Sarh & Moundou (main cities of southern Chad). Is this good enough info to create a good map? And no, I did not know all but a small bit of this before I began reading a guidebook & Wikipedia articles...I'm glad I took this on as I once thought the CAR was a jungle, war-torn hell in the middle of Africa. (WT-en) AHeneen 01:01, 25 January 2010 (EST)
 * The south is tropical forests and savanna with pockets of dense jungle in the far SW and SE similar to that found in the DRC. It is located near the Oubangui (also spelled Ubangi) River which connects to the Congo and thus is useful for trade. The south is also where the country's largest cities (Bangui, Berberati, Mbaiki, Bambari) are located as well as the country's most visited places are (Bangui, Dzanga-Sangha NP, pygmy settlements). The SW (Bangui-Berberati and southwards) seems to be the most visited and could be its own region. The South is home to many ethnic groups, but they all live in harmony and speak Sanga as a common language.
 * The northeast is similar to the sahel, sparsely populated, and contains Manovo-Gounda St. Floris National Park which was the country's most visited NP prior to the conflict that began in the late 90s which now makes this region very unsafe for travel. There is a large massif on the Sudan border.
 * The north is a range of savanna and tropical forests (but not dense jungle) and populated by the Sara peoples which make up the majority of the population of southern Chad. There are some highlands in the NW, but I don't think they're particularly significant to create a different region. It's not very safe, but it mostly tension, corruption, & robbery...whereas the NE seems to be more anti-gov't rebel/warlord fighting.
 * Cities: every city with a star symbol
 * Rivers: Ubangui (southern border, labeled Mbomou in east); Sangha (also labeled Mambere?); the Mpoko, Ouaka, & Kotto feeders of the Ubangui; and the Bamingui & Grimingui (they form the Chari near Sarh, Chad which is the main feeder of Lake Chad).
 * Parks: there are many parks on paper, but only three are actually set up as parks: Dzanga-Sangha National Park (D-Z Nat. Preserve forms a buffer on the north and can be included), Bamingui-Bangoran Park, Manovo-Gounda St. Floris National Park (UNESCO World Heritage site).

 * Great stuff again! I am sure that Peter will find this very helpful. When we started to look at Africa, I thought the CAR would be the toughest country of all given the paucity of information. I had no idea that any of this country was Sahelian desert.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 02:05, 25 January 2010 (EST)

 * As I said in the last sentence, I didn't either. I was about to write on Peter's talk page that there is no decent way to divide the CAR (and next to no info available on it) and why didn't he pick a country like Nigeria with regions carved up and ready for a map...but I decided to dig through the book and learn more about it. My impression was that the southern part was dense jungle like the CAR and faded to simply tropical forests in the North. I also knew a bit about the rebel situation & D-Z NP. It turns out that just 8% is jungle with most being "vegetated savanna" (so high grass, lots of trees...not quite the same empty "savanna" as you find in Kenya or Tanzania). In December I decided to buy some travel guides and my plan was to buy some used, one-off edition Bradt guides to Central Asia, but ended up with cheaper (and thus, more) ones for Africa...and with all the work being done in Africa, I'm glad I did! The guidebook I used was the Lonely Planet Central Africa, which was published in 1989 & 1994 (I've got the 94 edition) and remains the best guidebook available for the region (and just one cent for the book & $4 shipping! ). I'd fill in the info for the country, but I spend too much time on Wikivoyage as it is. (WT-en) AHeneen 02:44, 25 January 2010 (EST)

 * Whoa, thank you for this! When I saw the "see discussion" link on the expedition page, I thought I had just added that in a senile moment. I've already drawn up the map sans-regions, and was for once at a total loss as to how to divide the country up. I'll get to work on the regions as you've defined them. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 12:44, 25 January 2010 (EST)

 * Really good map Peter. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:38, 26 January 2010 (EST)

problem and ?
Okay the part saying the the CAR is the most lawless nation in Africa besides somalia is really over doing it. Any way I want to know the adress mailing of the ministry of defense, interior, and foreign affairs. I want to do an internship in the government most likely in one of those ministries but I can't find an adress to mail them my resume and things like that.
 * Which nation would you suggest is more lawless, other than Somalia?. Maybe Sudan. I would suggest that the best first stop re your internship inquiry would be the nearest CAR embassy. There are not many, but they are listed here. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:06, 10 March 2010 (EST)

Warning Text
The current warning text appears to describe events as current in 2013.

While I'm sure there is probably some travel advisory in late 2015, it is probably not as severe. (that said I am no expert on this region)

Should we tone it down? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:35, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

 * In short, yes. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:21, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

 * The travel advisories are still very grim, so while my update doesn't focus as much on all-out war, it's still really an overwhelming warning not to travel to the country, with only Belgium saying maybe you can travel to Bangui alone, if you must. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:08, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the updates --Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:27, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

 * Sure thing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:35, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Merge the regions?
Currently, this country has only five city articles and two "other destination" articles. The four region articles have almost no content beyond the introductory sentence and list of destinations. Given the current situation in CAR, this is unlikely to change anytime soon. So should we merge the region articles to this article? —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:35, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yep, simpler for readers to have everything in one place. Ground Zero (talk) 05:49, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Support, the best solution at the moment. Gizza ( roam ) 08:20, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Done. I'm leaving the map here in case someday it becomes useful again. —Granger (talk · contribs) 05:18, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Regions
I still think the regions have some use. However, instead of giving them their own pages, I just readded them and the map to the C.A.R. page and sorted the destinations by region. Kind of like the situation at Libya, where the region map is still there, but the region articles are redirects.Libertarianmoderate (talk) 16:02, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

C.A.R.
Why were the regions removed from the Central African Republic page? Those articles contained vital info on the security situation in the three areas of the C.A.R. If they were too short, I can fix that. Libertarianmoderate (talk) 01:14, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

 * We prefer not to break articles up into regions until the article contains enough region-specific information to not have empty region articles. If you want to recreate the region articles, that's a valid solution to the problem so long as you do add information to them. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:21, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

 * The other solution is to simply include the safety warnings for different regions in Central African Republic - in different sections, if that's appropriate. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:34, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

 * Yeah, in my opinion, unless you plan to create city articles to populate those regions, it would probably be better to add the information about the security situation to the "Understand" and "Stay safe" sections of the country article for now. If more city articles are created, or if the content in the country article gets so long or confusing that readers need separate region articles to make sense of it, then recreating the regions would make sense. (By the way, if I'm not mistaken, all or almost all of the security information in the region articles was incorporated into the country article when I merged them.) —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:38, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

 * It is possible for a bottom-level region article to group a long list of villages into a few shorter groups of 7±2 each without creating a new level of subregion articles. Adirondacks does this, because it's a huge chunk of parkland into which at least eighteen tiny villages have been scattered. I'm not sure that CAR needs this (as the article only has seven pages under it) and it's rarely done, but it might be an option if you want a region-like subgrouping without creating another level of region page under this one. K7L (talk) 02:08, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

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Mexico?
I've never heard of Mexico being sometimes considered part of Central America... is that really true? I've had conversations with people as far away as little villages in India that can list the North American countries, and they all know that Mexico is part of NA... (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 06:24, 20 January 2007 (EST)

 * Mexico's kinda half-and-half in my book, and Wikipedia agrees: (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:35, 20 January 2007 (EST)

Central America is not a continent. So, in terms of continental affiliation, all Central American nations are part of North America anyway. Mexico is part of NAFTA, however, which would suggest that it is part of North America regardless of whether you wish to differentiate Central and North America. —The preceding comment was added by 221.221.37.153 (talk • contribs)

The usual deviding line, the isthmus of Tehuantepec is in Mexico, which makes Yucatan a part of central America in its entirety. However as it is impractical to have an article division based on an invisible line of little import to most travelers and about 88% of Mexico's landmass are in North America it wouldn't make sense imho to include Mexico within this article.. —The preceding comment was added by 141.30.210.129 (talk • contribs)

 * For historical and cultural reasons I do understand why Mexico can be considered part of Central America. ϒpsilon (talk) 13:26, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

 * I can't. Mexico is in North America, period, with the small exception of Yucatan as noted above. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:17, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

 * I just read the Wikipedia article (WT-en) Jpatokal linked above, but it doesn't convince me. I think that anyone calling all (or even most) of Mexico "Central American" is doing that because it's a Spanish-speaking country south of the US, not for geographical, historical, or cultural reasons. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:20, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Usable?
We don't have a page describing the criteria for continental sections, but this article pretty much passes criteria for usable comparable to those for country articles. Can this be upgraded? Texugo (talk) 20:12, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * At a first glance; sí. I'll check Commons for three or four pretty pictures to give it a little more color first. And remove the go next section, because it doesn't exist in neither the standard continent nor the standard country template. (And really, that section is meant for short hops, not flights from, say, Panama to Mexico City or Guatemala to Bogota.)ϒpsilon (talk) 20:54, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't know that about "Go next." I've been treating it as standard in country articles, and I think it's useful in those, but maybe not for multi-country regions like this that are nearly continents, themselves. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:22, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It would be better to compare it to the Continent criteria, which it clearly fails, as only Belize is at Usable status or better. All of the other countries are Outlines.  LtPowers (talk) 01:19, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * imho it would be generally a good idea to reevaluate the usability of articles every once and a while. For example the Nicaragua article has now much more information than it used to and the only justification I could see for withholding its usability status are some stub articles concerning little traveled places well off the beaten path (e.g. the Caribbean coast outside of the Bluefields / Corn Islands area) —The preceding comment was added by 141.30.210.129 (talk • contribs)
 * Anybody can change the status of an article from Outline to Usable or Usable to Guide. However, do read Country guide status before making your decision. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:17, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Overly flowery description of San José
This edit changed the - admittedly overly negative - description of San José into one that is both too long and too flowery in my opinion. I have been to San José and I have enjoyed my stay there, but it's really not anybody's reason to go to Costa Rica. There are some okay museums (most European cities of any size have better museums and they don't charge foreigners more than locals), but architecturally it cannot compete with León or Granada in Nicaragua and as a city it's nothing unique. Yes there's shopping and it's a transportation hub, but the same goes for Managua and look at the description that city has. Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:45, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Adding La Amistad International Park to "other destinations"
This is a major international park shared between Panama and Costa Rica and it has a semi-usable article attatched, unlike some of what is on the list. Kevlar67 (talk) 15:23, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

 * Per 7+2, one attraction must be delisted. I'll act accordingly. Ibaman (talk) 16:24, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

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Don't Tout
I just removed blatant pimping under the Cappadocia section. It seemed like a pretty clear violation of the Project:Don't tout guideline. (WT-en) Eric 18:33, 2 November 2008 (EST)

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Niğde
This substantial city has no page; Kemerhisar village 22 km south has a stub outline for its Roman waterworks but that's all. I therefore propose re-naming and expanding that page as Niğde. Grahamsands (talk) 08:51, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

 * Sounds sensible. Vidimian (talk) 10:11, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Split into a couple of regions?
Our Central Anatolia article covers a large part of Turkey, and there are also quite many cities listed. Is there any smart way to to split the region into maybe 2-3 regions? Ypsilon (talk) 14:56, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

 * I was thinking about this for a long time; thanks for bringing it up.
 * I propose to subdivide the area into three subregions, internally grouped due to their shared geographical, historical, tourism, and transportation features:
 * Western Anatolia: Eskişehir, Kütahya, and Afyonkarahisar provinces; 4 cities plus one potential article due to a recent UNESCO World Heritage inscription, 2 ODs but only one of them is linked. This is the western reaches of the region; practically the core of ancient w:Phrygia, so there is a lot of Phrygian ruins. The area has a relatively wider tree cover (but given this is the Anatolian plateau, that's not saying much). All articles describe places with old towns of sorts.
 * A larger version of this region was agreed to be made a top-level region of Turkey in a discussion back in 2013, but it hasn't been implemented so far. If we ever decide to reincarnate that consensus one day, this proposed article may work as a base.
 * North Central Anatolia: Ankara, Çankırı, Kırıkkale, Yozgat, and Sivas provinces; 5 cities plus another potential article for a recently inscribed World Heritage site, 2 ODs but one of them redirects to one of the city articles. Rolling steppes in the northern third of the region. Includes three capitals (two ancient, one modern) and a bit of medieval Seljuk heritage and early republican history.
 * South Central Anatolia: Konya, Karaman, Aksaray, Niğde, Kırşehir, Nevşehir, and Kayseri provinces; 8 cities (one of them unlinked), 2 ODs (one of them is sort of a subregion with towns under it). Basically "Greater Konya" + "Greater Cappadocia", so this is the best-travelled part of the region. The southern third is an even drier area verging on desert in places but this affords it a variety of interesting landscapes such as Salt Lake, Lake Meke, and Cappadocia. Most of the area has medieval heritage, Byzantine and Seljuk.
 * Any ideas? Vidimian (talk) 22:56, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

 * Yes, it was actually when I looked for which articles this year's new world heritage sites that UNESCO is deciding on this week belong in (there may be still some more to come, after that I'll start adding info systematically to articles), that got looking at the Central Anatolia article. I think there will be three new articles for Central Anatolia needed (see User:Ypsilon/Laboratory). --Ypsilon (talk) 04:59, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, we will need three new articles overall for the new World Heritage sites in Turkey, unless other new sites are forthcoming these days.
 * Polatlı for Gordion, which would be breadcrumbed to the proposed North Central Anatolia subregion above. I'd prefer this article named Polatlı rather than Yassıhüyük. I passed through Yassıhüyük about a month ago (although unfortunately I was in a rush so didn't stop to look around), and it seemed like a small village with few points of interest to mention (a single restaurant and a liquor store) obviously other than the archaeological site, a related museum, and numerous ancient burial mounds in the outskirts. Naming the article after Polatlı, the district capital, would widen its scope to also encompass the war memorials in and around Polatlı. Additionally, Polatlı has a significant agricultural industry, so that way the article may also be useful for business travellers. Yassıhüyük/Yassihuyuk and Gordion could redirect to it.
 * Sivrihisar for the Sivrihisar Grand Mosque, which would be breadcrumbed to Western Anatolia as proposed above.
 * Beyşehir for Eşrefoğlu Mosque, but this should be breadcrumbed to the Lakes District rather than Central Anatolia or any potential subregions beneath it.
 * The other sites are already mentioned in the articles linked at your laboratory. Vidimian (talk) 23:42, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Subregions ✅. As I mentioned earlier, I'd like to move Gordion to Polatlı in the near future; Gordion isn't a huge site and it may not be viable as a stand-alone article. Vidimian (talk) 17:00, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

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Comments
Please, before making any substantial changes to this article, let me know what is going on. I want to make sure they all make sense and are holistic. For example, moving the information on Talin to a separate Talin page makes absolutely no sense, as Talin is a 20-30 minute stop, with nowhere to stay and nothing to eat, etc. It is a tiny, poor town with a big monument to look at and photograph, but few visitors, the vast majority of whom are gone in under 30 minutes. Garni and Geghard are NOT IN Yerevan, they are an hour away, and worlds apart. They may be better off on a separate page, but that should be discussed and I don't see why a couple of sentence summary here is so harmful at this point. An Ashtarak page can make sense, however, but again I would like to see the changes discussed first if possible. Thanks, (WT-en) Raffikojian 12:42, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

 * Sorting out Armenia's attractions into the standard Wikivoyage format is difficult, since the main attractions are not located in cities/towns, and because they are usually visited as day trips from larger cities like Yerevan, Stepanakert, etc. I'd be tempted to put a lot of the content in the region articles, as Raffikojian has done, even though it is standard Wikivoyage practice to place most information in city articles. Although perhaps some information could be moved out to key towns. For example, perhaps it would make sense to have a Garni article for the town, and list the temple there? Garni has a couple big attractions, although I don't know whether there are restaurants or places to sleep. If there are none, then it does not make sense to give the town a separate article. FWIW, I visited both Garni temple and Geghard Monastery on a full day excursion from Yerevan, and I assume that's how most travelers visit the two attractions. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:24, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

 * Hi Peter. Yes, I am in complete agreement.  I've never heard of anyone spending the night in Garni.  Ever.  Or even in Echmiadzin, though it is (unlike most of these other attractions) actually in a city.  I don't mind trying to work with the standard format as much as possible, and as much as is sensible.  We can certainly try to keep the information on Echmiadzin brief in the Central Armenia article, and expand a great deal upon it in a separate article, but let's not fool ourselves...  nobody is going to stay the night there! :-)  Same with Ashtarak - the only other nice city in the region.  The only serious overnight destination in Central Armenia at this time outside of Yerevan is Tsaghkadzor, which is under do at the moment.  Any tips on this whole thing are appreciated! (WT-en) Raffikojian 15:23, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

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The train fares on this page are out of date. If anyone knows more up-to-date ones that would be great. (WT-en) Professorbiscuit 19:47, 26 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Is Turkmenbashi a place? I thought it was Niyazov's title, Head of the Turkmen. -(WT-en) phma 18:09, 11 Apr 2005 (EDT) Never mind, I found it on the map. -(WT-en) phma 18:13, 11 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Turkmenbashi is as well a place as a title of the president.It had a russian name before the name change.202.47.226.198 19:23, 11 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Eat
i am not familiar with food here

Map needs Afghanistan
This map needs Afghanistan on it - it's definitely part of Central Asia... (WT-en) Cacahuate 10:30, 18 December 2006 (EST)
 * shit happens - make over the map...

quote: In modern contexts, all definitions of Central Asia include these five republics of the former Soviet Union: Kazakhstan (pop. 16.6 million), Kyrgyzstan (5.5 million), Tajikistan (7.6 million), Turkmenistan (5.1 million), and Uzbekistan (29.5 million). and another more reliable source.

Mongolia
Mongolia is Central Asia as well. Arguably so is East Turkestan and possibly even TIBET, but they are not independent states so we can safely leave them as part of China and thus "East Asia".

But no way is Mongolia getting left in East Asia. That is some ludicrous shit. I am changing this page to include it.

 * Let's keep this discussion in one place → Talk:East Asia. (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:31, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

turkmenistan
Turkmenistan especially Ashgabat needs to be expanded urgently it is very substandard.

 * Get to work! (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:14, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

Central Asia - 5 stans
Is there anything useful in that article that should be moved here, or to any of the country-level articles, or should it simply be deleted? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:20, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Move Merv?
Merv is currently listed under "Other destinations" as: I'd like to move it to the Cities section. To do that, we'd need to remove one of the current list of cities; I suggest Astana. We currently have: I see no problem dropping Astana from the list, especially if we make the mention in the Almaty line a link. Other opinions? Pashley (talk) 15:35, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Merv — the most famous of Turkmenistan's many ruined medieval Silk Road cities.
 * Almaty — Kazakhstan's former capital is an infinitely more preferable destination than ad hoc Astana.
 * Astana — Kazakhstan's dreary, cold northern capital.

Page banner
The current banner has poor photographic and aesthetic quality. I have made a new suggestion. /Yvwv (talk) 19:05, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Still looking for something more vivant; maybe with representative architecture? /Yvwv (talk) 19:10, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I think that unlike Asia, we can focus on something more cultural? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 19:50, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Second suggestion, a banner from Bukhara. /Yvwv (talk) 20:04, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I don't like the cropping of the dome in that banner. The second picture is beautiful, but when I think of Central Asia, the first thing that I think of is "Steppes of Central Asia" and the second is indeed the blue-tiled mosques and tombs of Sufi saints in places like Bukhara and Samarkand. So far, I'm not satisfied but would certainly approve of swapping out the current banner for #2 right away. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:45, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Third candidate added. /Yvwv (talk) 20:52, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Thanks a lot, but the mountains in Afghanistan picture still wins on beauty and photographic quality. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:56, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Regardless of the quality of the original picture or how well they are cropped, I think we have far too many snowy-mountains-from-a-distance banners for region guides. As with the distant skyline banner proposals for large cities around the world that are often strongly (and I think, rightly) opposed, these mountain banners are indistinguishable and don't really tell anything. And in this particular case, while having its fair share of them, Central Asia is not particularly known for its mountains nor is most of the region dominated by them.
 * So although their crops leave much to be desired, I think I liked the suggested banner #3 most, #2 coming a close second — isn't Central Asia all about lonely horseman on endless steppelands and blue domed Silk Road cities? Vidimian (talk) 23:14, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Number 3 (the herdsman on the steppes) would win on character, absolutely. Maybe we should go with it, yeah. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:21, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Added a differently cropped version of banner 3, with the horizon a bit above center. /Yvwv (talk) 23:37, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * We could look for new banners to Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, too. The current wide-angle photo of Registan in the Uzbekistan article looks like an opening shot from MTV Cribs; and would probably look better in the Samarkand article (which has a fuzzy banner now). /Yvwv (talk) 01:47, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree that plain snowy mountains are not the way to go—they're generic and don't make me think "Central Asia". The horseman picture (3, 3b) does kind of remind me of a book I read that took place in Kyrgyzstan, though the picture isn't that interesting or exciting. I also like 2, which I gather is culturally representative—the crop doesn't bother me the way it seems to bother Ikan Kekek. And 4 is a nice picture, with horses and mountains. So my top choices are 2, 3b, and 4, in no particular order. —Granger (talk · contribs) 03:43, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * By the way, see other ongoing banner discussions: Talk:Rome, Talk:South Asia, Talk:Plains (India), Talk:Bangladesh, and Talk:Kashrut. /Yvwv (talk) 04:22, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I really liked the domes at #5, but on a second thought, it looks more like Uzbekistan or the Silk Road than Central Asia.
 * I have added a third crop of the horseman of the steppes banner, taking the guy right in the centre (although its colours look less flashy than the previous suggestions of the same picture — any idea on how to fix that Yvwv?). Vidimian (talk) 12:35, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I have added another proposal, a different take on the common regional culture (perhaps except Afghanistan, which is an outlier in the region anyway): a yurt (wp) camp in Issyk Kul, Kyrgyzstan. Vidimian (talk) 13:11, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The Mongol Empire needs a new banner, as the previous banner violated copyright. /Yvwv (talk) 16:42, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The colors of the horseman banner have been adjusted through a contrast filter. I use "Levels" on GIMP. /Yvwv (talk) 22:05, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I like the composition of 3c. Since there's general agreement to avoid mountains, maybe we can go with that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:27, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Inserted banner 3b as a preliminary choice. Would you rather prefer another? /Yvwv (talk) 14:24, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:23, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

National Geographic article
5 Underrated Destinations in Central Asia Pashley (talk) 12:38, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Irrelevant(?) text
This text is currently at the end of Central_Asia:
 * in fact, most Mongolian citizens identify as Central Asians rather than East Asians.

It was added by User:The dog2, then deleted by User:136.158.35.0, and restored by User:SHB2000.

I want to delete it again. Earlier in the paragraph we have "Various other regions — Mongolia, ... — have cultures that are largely Central Asian and are sometimes included as well", and I think that is all that need be said.

Other opinions? Pashley (talk) 04:45, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

 * To be fair, I don't have an opinion on this. I reverted it because that IP blanked it for no good reason, but I think it should be given a simple mention (which currently remains), somewhat like how NZ is mentioned in Polynesia. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:11, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Similar text was added in Mongolia with the same insert-delete-restore sequence from the same three people. I'd keep it there but delete it here. Pashley (talk) 07:54, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

 * In some ways, Mongolian culture is Central Asian. For instance, the Mongolians were traditionally nomads, much like the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz. And horses are a big part of Mongolian culture, just as they are a big part of Kazakh culture. The dog2 (talk) 16:50, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * See wikipedia:Central_Asia. UNESCO has a very broad definition, including Mongolia, Western China and much of Asian Russia. /Yvwv (talk) 17:04, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, given how a discussion back on Wikitravel to define the boundaries between "Central Asia" and "East Asia" went, I won't be surprised if Mongolians find it offensive to be referred to as East Asian. The animosity against China is very real among Mongolian citizens. If you understand Chinese, there is a Chinese vlogger who went to Mongolia, and said that the Mongolians were noticeably upset to hear him speaking Mandarin. The dog2 (talk) 17:16, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * But should Wikivoyage spend time debating this issue when the only support for this being a problem is anecdotal? Of course not. "I wouldn't be surprised if..." is not a reason to do anything. The views of one Chinese vlogger who may or may not have a political agenda is not the basis for any change in Wikivoyage. Just leave it alone. Wikivoyage should not be a home for idiosyncratic notions. Ground Zero (talk) 02:19, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Replying to several comments above:
 * User:The dog2: No-one is denying the cultural link, in fact we mention it. My quarrel is with the extra comment.
 * User:Yvwv: We give approximately the UNESCO definition. Before the addition, the paragraph in question was:
 * Much of Central Asia was once ruled by the Persian Empire and some definitions of the region would include Persia, now called Iran. Various other regions — Mongolia, Western China (Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang, Gansu, Qinghai, Ningxia), and parts of Russia (Buryatia, Chuvashia, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, Tuva, Altai, Khakassia) — have cultures that are largely Central Asian and are sometimes included as well.
 * User:Ground Zero. Exactly! Pashley (talk)

Wholly agree with Pashley that the added text may prove to be irrelevant. As the added text can also be redundant considering that Mongolia is already mentioned earlier in the paragraph. The same can be said regarding the added text that was also included in the Mongolia and East Asia pages. Also, is there a specific source that backs up the added text? Datu Hulyo 11:03, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

 * This is a travel guide, not an encyclopedia, so we do not require sources. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:36, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Sources are not cited in articles, but if there is questionable text, whoever added it should be willing to give a reference here on the talk page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:39, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree with @Ikan Kekek. The added text is questionable because one cannot claim with authority that most Mongolians identify as Central Asians rather than East Asians. Thus, a reference must be given here to maintain a level of objectivity so readers can be well-informed. If a solid reference cannot be provided for the edits to the Central Asia, East Asia, and Mongolia pages, then the questioned text should be removed. Datu Hulyo (talk) 16:22, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:Central Asia


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Talk:Central Coast (California)

Regions & Counties
What's the value of having regions and counties? Aren't the counties just official sub-regions of the region? --(WT-en) Evan 23:16, 28 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Counties are unamiguous units whose boundaries don't need to be discussed -- this saves a lot of time. The fact that we have counties does not preclude endless debate over how else we could balkanize the landscape, it just provides an unambigous region that stuff can be placed into while regions are hashed out endlessly.  For example, putting Fremont into Alameda County shut up the endless angels-on-a-pin arguments about whether it is in the Silicon Valley, South Bay (Bay Area), or East Bay (Bay Area).

 * For areas like the Gold Country, it solves the problem of partitioning: there are a metric boatload of cities in that region, and I have no basis for partitioning them. The solution?  Counties. -- (WT-en) Colin 23:50, 28 June 2006 (EDT)

 * I agree that for US states counties are fantastic. OK if I drop the other regions? --(WT-en) Evan 00:00, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Are you saying that you want to do away with (for example) the Bay Area (California) region and instead use Contra Costa County, Alameda County, etc? If that's the case then I'd be very much opposed - counties work well in some cases, but very poorly in others.  My understanding with counties was that that would become sub-regions, and that a county might not always be wholly contained in a single region (see Kern County).  I think that there is room for both counties and non-county regions, but maybe I'm misunderstanding. -- (WT-en) Ryan 00:40, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

title: Talk:Central Coast (California)


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Talk:Central Coast (New South Wales)

Gosford a city, district, region?
Gosford and Wyong are the two areas (city and shire) that make up the central coast.

When structuring the region, we have a few options.

 * 1) Just have one article for the Central Coast (New South Wales).  Build it up to be a comprehensive reference for the area
 * 2) Let Wyong and Gosford be two regions under the central coast.  Build them up as destination articles, and perhaps develop one or two sub-articles that tend to be major tourist destinations
 * 3) Let every suburb of the Central Coast develop its own article.  If there is someone prepared to develop the content, why not?
 * 4) Let the Central Coast contain the regional information.  Develop Gosford, Wyong, The Entrance, and other popular destinations as their own articles.  Ignore Gosford and Wyong as regions, and just treat them as suburbs/towns like any other.

I'm in favour of option 2. This is like the Illawarra region is developing, with the three cities ot Wollongong, Shellharbour and Kiama making up the region of the Illawarra. In this way, Wyong and Gosford would make up the Central Coast (New South Wales), with additional destination articles only added when the content justifies them. --(WT-en) Inas 01:52, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

 * I saw this 6 years too late :)
 * I went already for Option 4, since quite a few articles have already been created prior to my looking at this. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:27, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Merge all towns breadcrumbed under Central Coast and merge them here?
Quite a big task, and I don't know how to explain it, although I'll do my best as I can.

Into about CC
The Central Coast is quite a little bit of a weird situation. It's not really a city, but rather just numerous towns that make up these large area. But this isn't like your ordinary region, because these towns essentially function like suburbs, except that they're not because of the tiny 1km stretch of greenery between some of them (can go up to 5km). I can't even think of any other region anywhere in the world that functions like the Central Coast. And for some reason, we have an article for these towns.

Proposal
Go Inas' original proposal 1. Have one universal article and treat this like a city with suburbs. Merge all the contents to this article, and develop only this article. This includes the two centres of Gosford (renamed as "Lower Central Coast" because of this very same issue) and Wyong. It's possible to subdivide this article up in this very page (an example of an existing issue subdivided is Parc national de Kamay Botany Bay on fr).

And to, what to do with this existing article type? Probably change it into city/rural area article as there's no main town here. Because personally, I don't think distrifying this article is worth it.

Problems that can arise with this though:
 * On the New South Wales article, this is currently listed as a region. If this is turned into a city/rural area, I'm not sure what to do, but it'll just be like Norfolk Island.

OTOH, there's much more benefits in my opinion though and that is:
 * Since travellers may be confused by smaller towns not having much, this new article would have much more detail into neighbouring towns

--SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:06, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I support, as it is already partially merged. Given the geography of small towns near each other in this region, merging into one city or rural area article is sensible. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 11:27, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think this will work better and I support it for now as well. If the overarching Central Coast becomes very long, we can go back to splitting it by towns/suburbs. If there was a main town, it would be Gosford but better to call it the Central Coast, and classify it as a rural article. Gizza ( roam ) 12:24, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

 * I also didn't mention about Wollemi National Park, but I rather just breadcrumbed it under Blue Mountains given that the only way to enter is via the Blue Mountains despite being part of the Central Coast. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:28, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think national parks ought to be kept as separate articles. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 02:31, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, all I've done there is just changed where its breadcrumbed under. Not going to merge something 100km away (or 300km via car). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:35, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

✅. The only articles now currently breadcrumbed under is Bouddi and Dharug National Parks. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:41, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

UNESCO tag?
Is that there just because of the Great North Road (which is covered in Tourist Drive 33 and Dharug National Park)? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:32, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Gosford
No, I don't support districtification of this article as most settlements have far too little to actually merit their own articles (the two national parks are the exception). Pinging and will notify  as involved parties per User talk:149.167.175.128. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 09:48, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Districtification makes no sense. Either there should be separate articles for different towns (villages, whatever) or this should be a bottom-level article. I notice it irregularly has two statuses, as a city guide and a rural area guide. It can't be both, yet it's defined in the lede as a region, yet a third category. I'd say make up your minds whether it's a region or a rural area, and then act accordingly. Region articles are not bottom-level articles but are subdivided into different bottom-level destination articles. And that's the limit of my opinion, as I don't know this area. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:06, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * When I meant districtification, I meant that plus articles for different towns, too. Sorry for not clarifying. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 11:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * IP, please give input or I will revert your edits. There is clear community consensus above to have one single Central Coast article. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 22:51, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Given the lack of response, I'm reverting the edits. There is consensus above to keep the articles in one spot. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:00, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:Central Coast (New South Wales)


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Talk:Central Contra Costa County

Is this an article?
The content of this article is an exact copy from the Contra Costa County article. In addition, being a resident of this area I can't say I've ever heard anyone distinguish between Contra Costa County and Central Contra Costa County. If anyone wants to keep it please say why it's necessary, otherwise I'd like to propose it for deletion. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 05:33, 19 Jun 2005 (EDT)

title: Talk:Central Contra Costa County