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Talk:Sanskrit phrasebook

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Isn't this more appropriate for wikipedia?--(WT-en) Wandering 20:02, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

 * Yes! – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 13:12, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

 * But isn't it useful for traveling to this town? ;)  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:32, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

What is the purpose of this?
I thought Sanskrit were a dead language. Do we have a Latin Phrasebook? If not, why do we have one for Sanskrit? Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:32, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I came to this talk page to ask the same question. Some time ago it was discussed whether we should delete the Esperanto phrasebook, which does have a few million speakers as of today. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:39, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Should we also mention the Jamaican Patois Phrasebook? These are really polemic articles for us to keep. Ibaman (talk) 20:48, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I notice that this phrasebook currently has exactly 10 translations, all numbers. Maybe that's because this isn't a language that's useful for travelling. On the other hand, maybe it would be useful for visiting Mattur and Hosahalli in Shimoga (district). (Jamaican Patois, in contrast, has 3 million native speakers according to Wikipedia, so I don't see how it's comparable.) —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:01, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

 * My point is, this phrasebook itself recommends "with the strongest caution" that voyagers stick to Standard English. That means the page declares itself redundant. Does such a content deserves an article in Wikivoyage? I wrote a lot of stuff on Roman Empire but would never dream of writing any pompous overfluffy Talk section, much less a Latin phrasebook.Ibaman (talk) 23:33, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps this could be turned into a travel topic or merged into some historical travel article? ϒpsilon (talk) 04:43, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Sanskrit phrasebook
I quote 's statement for the RfD for the Esperanto phrasebook: "All the rationales for deleting the Ido phrasebook apply here: Esperanto has no monolingual speakers, is not the official language of any country, is not terribly useful as an international auxiliary language in a world where English has de facto taken over that function, and the chances of a traveller needing to speak it to get along in a certain place are zero. Therefore, this phrasebook is out of scope and should be deleted. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:58, 4 May 2018 (UTC)" And I think the same applies to this as well (except the official language bit which I'm not sure on). I thought Sanskrit was a dead language until I stumbled across this. According to the first line, it says that it's an ancient language in which many Hindu religious texts were written, but it never says that anyone speaks it. Most people who speak Sanskrit can almost always speak another language as well, and I don't think a traveller would ever have to find themselves needing to know Sanskrit is basically 0%. And I should also mention that Esperanto had at least some speakers, albeit not used. Sanskrit is not. Even Esperanto has its own Wikivoyage. Sanskrit doesn't and will probably never get one, since a) it's a dead language, but b) even Norsk was rejected. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:01, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Question: "even Norsk was rejected"? To what does this refer? To the Bokmål/Nynorsk split discussion? The reason not to split was simply that the languages are close enough and partly geographically intermingled, so that there is no use carrying two phrasebooks instead of one.
 * Comment Sanskrit, on the other hand, is "widely taught today at the secondary school level", according to Wikipedia, across language communities I suppose. I don't know how widespread actual (basic) proficiency in Sanskrit is, and whether it is concentrated to certain communities – which could be good or bad for those carrying a Sanskrit phrasebook – but, given the many languages in India, it could be useful in areas for which you don't carry a phrasebook of the local language. You don't need to meet first language speakers, it's enough that you meet people who understand your phrasebook phrases.
 * –LPfi (talk) 08:32, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm referring that Norsk is well spoken, but yet the proposal was rejected by the language committee. Now at least Norsk is spoken in some areas. Sanskrit is dead. This was just a comparison to the Esperanto language. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:38, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Eh? Norsk is Norwegian for Norwegian, and there is both a (Norwegian, mostly Bokmål) and a  (Nynorsk). The issue discussed by the language committee, as I understand it, was whether to change w:no into w:nb, i.e. make the "Norsk" WP version officially and clearly Bokmål, and the discussion was about how to treat other variants of Norwegian (such as Riksmål), which can be seen as independent or as variants of Bokmål. Some articles in w:no are written in those variants and perhaps shouldn't be called Bokmål. It was deemed to be enough of a mess that any change to status quo would be a mess too. –LPfi (talk) 08:59, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

 * Oppose. First of all, there was no consensus to delete the Esperanto phrasebook, so by current standards, it would not have been deleted (Ido is another matter, only a couple of hundred speakers, none native). Second, I refer you to Sanskrit revival:

 * Sanskrit revival is the accumulation of attempts at reviving the Sanskrit language that have been undertaken. This revival is happening not only in India but also in Western countries like Australia,[1] Germany, the United Kingdom,[2] the United States and in many European countries.[3]

 * Sanskrit is one of the 22 official languages in India.[4] In 2010, Uttarakhand became the first state in India to have Sanskrit as its second official language.[1] In 2019, Himachal Pradesh became the second state to have Sanskrit as the second official language.[5] There are 2,360,821 total speakers of Sanskrit in India, as of 2011.[6]

 * Sanskrit could be cited for a counterargument: "There are no known native speakers of Sanskrit." But I can't see deleting a phrasebook for a language with well over 2 million speakers. I could see emphasizing ritual language readers might hear in ceremonies, though; that's a different question. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:29, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * if there were no consensus to delete the Esperanto phrasebook, then why was it deleted? Second of all, I'd not think about the rituals because the last and only time I went to India, they refused to let me into three temples (before I gave up) because I was irreligious (meaning only 1.35 billion people would ever have a chance of getting into one) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:43, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The policy has been amended since, formerly consensus was needed not to delete. –LPfi (talk) 12:05, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

 * I think number of speakers is the relevant number. Number of native speakers is irrelevant, unless those second language speakers are native speakers of English, which I suppose most aren't. What counts is whether people you want to communicate with understand your phrasebook phrases, and would be inconvenient to communicate with in other ways. –LPfi (talk) 11:40, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

 * SHB2000, I'm not a Hindu and have visited many Hindu temples, where no-one asked what my religion or beliefs were. Only in Varanasi was I told that non-Hindus couldn't go into temples. Besides, 1.35 billion people is a hell of a large number! Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:17, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

 * Okay, so I guess that it might only be a thing in the south (all three of my attempts were in Mathura and Chennai where all three of those which I tried said that non-Hindus weren't allowed in). Oh, but with the 1.35 billion (or 1.2 billion according to Hinduism by country which says 1.35 in the lead paragraph and 1.2 in the Demographic estimates section), almost all of them are in India, Nepal, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia. Very few outside those. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:23, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

 * Are you still arguing for deletion? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:47, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am. If Esperanto was deleted, so should Sanskrit. If Sanskrit was not deleted, I believe that Esperanto should be restored. Plus, we don't have a Latin phrasebook, and Latin is at least spoken a lot more than Sanskrit and is the official language of the Vatican. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:50, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you understand that it didn't take a consensus to delete the Esperanto phrasebook (there was ultimately a slight majority in favor of keeping the Esperanto phrasebook, yet it was deleted per then-existing policy), but it would take a consensus to restore it, and that's why it won't happen? As for Latin, are you seriously arguing that it has over 2 million speakers? Your evidence for that? Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:22, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, you're seriously comparing Vatican City, a single neighborhood of Rome, with Uttar Pradesh and Himachal Pradesh, which have populations of some 200,000,000 and 6,864,602, respectively? I really think you're wasting your time on this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:26, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In fact, there was a strong majority (about 80% of discussion participants if I remember correctly) in favor of keeping the Esperanto phrasebook. —Granger (talk · contribs) 09:38, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

 * Keep. From WP, "Sanskrit has been taught in traditional gurukulas since ancient times; it is widely taught today at the secondary school level. The oldest Sanskrit college is the Benares Sanskrit College founded in 1791 during East India Company rule.[44] Sanskrit continues to be widely used as a ceremonial and ritual language in Hindu and Buddhist hymns and chants." These seem to be good reasons to keep this phrasebook. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 19:22, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

 * Comment - The focus of this phrasebook is clearly wrong, as evidenced by the fact that it remains virtually devoid of content 14 years after its creation; "Stop, thief!", "I plan on staying X nights", and "Do you accept credit cards?" are not sentences a traveller in India will ever need to express in Sanskrit. For those, they'll use English, Hindi or one of the many local languages. Therefore, if the Sanskrit language is widely used in ceremonies, rites and academia, but not at all in everyday life, then a totally different approach needs to be taken compared to all our other phrasebooks in order for it to serve the traveller.

 * So I guess my question is what would that look like? How do you write a travel phrasebook for a language like Sanskrit that isn't used by travellers to communicate their basic needs or to understand everyday interactions, but nonetheless may be culturally useful or interesting to learn? What types of words and phrases should it cover? If somebody can answer that in a convincing way, then this phrasebook would be worth keeping. But the existing empty shell that, without a change in focus, will probably continue to be an empty shell for the next 14 years doesn't serve the traveller and would be better put out of its misery.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:13, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

 * What do Indians learn when they study Sanskrit in secondary school? Do they read old ritual texts or do they get proficiency also in everyday language? If the latter, it may be more practical for a traveller to use the Sanskrit phrasebook to ask those everyday questions than to figure out how to ask them in the right one of "the many local languages". Given of course there sometimes is a significant chance a person you need to communicate with (or somebody around) knows Sanskrit better than English.
 * For a different focus of the phrasebook, we should have somebody to identify key phrases that make it easier for travellers to follow those rituals. Something like "Let us pray", "Hallelujah", "Amen" etc. if it were for Christian services.
 * –LPfi (talk) 12:16, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Pinging who might know a bit more. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:25, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If some people object to deleting this, how about instead of deleting this, making it a travel topic similar to Australian slang (which as mentioned, travellers may hear in rituals, ceremonies etc.). Since saying "Stop! Thief!" or "I'm calling the police" isn't exactly in scope, and have little use, and something like what LPfi mentioned except for Hindu services. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:07, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * People can hear Australian slang in rituals? ;-) But seriously, that's worth discussing at Talk:Sanskrit phrasebook after the article is kept. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:27, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Of course not ;). I was just using that because that's the only language based travel topic based on a phrasebook (and maybe the Lazymans phrasebook ;)). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:33, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * My favourite phrase from a printed phrasebook was in a section called "On the slopes". The expression was "Look out! I've lost control!" Imagine the situation arises, so you pull out your handy phrasebook, flip to page 79, practise the pronunciation a couple of times, and you're all set. A language topic may make more sense than a phrasebook. Ground Zero (talk) 00:44, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Spotted in a Welsh phrasebook, written pre-Internet: "The word I need is not here; this book is bloody awful!"
 * Replying to user:LPfi, if it really were "more practical for a traveller to use the Sanskrit phrasebook to ask those everyday questions", wouldn't we see other practical Sanskrit phrasebooks out there? Wouldn't the Lonely Planets and the Rough Guides etc dedicate a few pages of their India books to 'colloquial Sanskrit' if such a thing existed? A language-based travel topic, with some words and sentences that the traveller will encounter in the right places, makes infinitely more sense to me than a phrasebook.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:03, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

 * Keep Phrasebooks for languages like Sanskritt help travellers understand the culture of places they visit. When more complete these will help a traveller understand a service in a temple, and possibly other cultural events. Similarly you don't need the Māori phrasebook when visiting New Zealand, but it enhances the visit. We don't have a policy requiring phrase books to be complete (or a certain % of phrase complete) within a time limit. (Possibly the list of phrases should be changed for this type of phrasebook, but hat is a separate discussion.) AlasdairW (talk) 21:08, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , although Maori is a special case. It doesn't have any mention on "stop, thief!" or any of that. Sanskrit is written like an ordinary phrasebook. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:53, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think Sanskrit uses the standard list of phrases in the template. I would support having a different shorter standard list for "cultural phrasebooks". Nobody is going to say "Do you accept British pounds?" in Navajo. AlasdairW (talk) 22:44, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * That point needs a separate discussion. There is no procedure that I know of to remove unnecessary phrases and add new phrases to individual phrasebooks after they have been added to the template. I think this is a special case of that problem (unless the article is transformed into travel topic); there is no procedure to reinsert a phrase lost because somebody thought it was unnecessary. It is not clear what phrases of the standard list are useful or not useful for "cultural phrasebook". I also assume that varies by language. –LPfi (talk) 08:23, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The edit would be manual. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:04, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed, and I don't think a "cultural phrasebook" template would work, for the reasons given above. Each phrasebook for a language that isn't strictly practical or necessary is going to need its own set of words and sentences.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:36, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

 * Keep It is of huge cultural significance to India (and even in many Southeast Asian countries), and you are very likely to encounter Sanskrit in religious ceremony. Also, Sanskrit speakers certainly do exist, and I have personally met someone who is a fluent speaker of Sanskrit, albeit not a native speaker. And also, knowing Sanskrit helps a lot when you want to learn the languages of South Asia and Southeast Asia, since many of them contain many Sanskrit-derived terms. And as a side note, if somebody wants to write a Latin phrasebook, I have no objection to that either. The dog2 (talk) 18:42, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

 * Outcome Kept. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Travel topic?
It would really be best to change this from a standard phrasebook to a travel topic concentrating on the kind of ritual language a visitor might be more likely to hear in ceremonies, because although many people speak this language, travelers are most likely to encounter the language in a Hindu religious context. Any volunteers for this task? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:48, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Ikan Kekek I think you are right. For Classical Meitei, please do the same. But please tell me what will be the page title of it if you will change it into a travel topic? --Haoreima (talk) 10:00, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * as per the vfd discussion – right now, this page is OOS. Nobody will ever say "Where's the nearest British consulate?" or "Do you accept US dollars?" or "Help! Thief!" in Sanskrit. Nobody.
 * However, this would need to be done by someone who knows a reasonable amount of Sanskrit. 2006nishan178713, your userpage indicates you have an advanced knowledge of Sanskrit. When you get the time, would you be able to model a travel topic with important phrases travellers will hear in ceremonies and rituals? There's no rush to do this, and real-life comes first, so don't feel pressured to finish this in a certain amount of time. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:13, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure. And maybe we can also cover to some degree the way Sanskrit has influenced other languages. I just learnt that the Malay word "bahasa" comes from Sanskrit "bhāṣā", and so does the word for "language" in other Southeast Asian languages such as Thai, Khmer, Lao and Burmese. That might be a point of interest for some people. Certainly, knowledge of Sanskrit will make it much easier for you to pick up vocabulary for many Indian and Southeast Asian languages. The dog2 (talk) 14:25, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The number of borrowings from Sanskrit to Malay is vast and off the top of my head includes nama (name), sama (same), isteri (wife), suami (husband) and many other everyday words, in addition to more formal language. But I don't think that's more than a side point in a travel topic on Sanskrit, just as it would be in a travel topic on the Latin language that there is a huge number of borrowings from Latin in most non-Romance European languages. The main travel-related point would be to cover ritual and religious language a traveler might come across in visits to temples or as a witness or participant in ceremonies (Hindu weddings, etc., etc.). Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:54, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * One more thing I'd want to mention though is that Sanskrit is one of the scheduled languages of the Indian constitution, meaning that civil servants are allowed to write answers for their civil service examinations in Sanskrit, and that the Indian government must be able to provide services in Sanskrit on demand. I guess this is similar to how Latin is the technically official language of the Vatican even though Italian is the main language is practice; you could in theory demand to be served in Latin at government offices in the Vatican, and the Pope always makes formal announcements in Latin. The dog2 (talk) 17:19, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Popes very often make announcements in Italian. Is there some distinction you're making between one type of announcement and another? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:52, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * well, for the record, every Pope who came to Brazil in my lifetime (Wojtyla, Ratzinger and Bergoglio) was recorded making speeches in Portuguese. I don't see how this would qualify as a yardstick to gauge anything about this topic here in Wikivoyage. Ibaman (talk) 18:00, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @SHB2000, i surely would have have helped, but as my userpage indicates I am kinda busy. You can see I haven't contributed to any Wikimedia project in a month. Nonetheless, if I get time I will surely help in it. 2006nishan178713t@lk 15:01, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I have no objection to converting this to a travel topic. I'm just saying that if you really wanted to speak Sanskrit, you could in theory go to an Indian government office and demand that you be served in Sanskrit, and the Indian government is required by law to oblige on that. Similarly, you could in theory go to the Vatican and demand that you be served in Latin, provided what you are speaking is Ecclesiastical Latin and not Classical Latin. Here's a video of someone trying to speak Latin to the priests in the Vatican. The Pope does often make important announcements in Latin though (such as when Pope Benedict XVI announced his abdication), so knowing Latin will of course allow you to listen to the announcement and understand what is being said before they put out the official translations. The dog2 (talk) 18:20, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Your point is taken that quite a few Indians and Nepalese speak Sanskrit, and that's why this phrasebook wasn't deleted, but it's much more useful as a holy/ritual language today. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:15, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Come to think of it, maybe there should be a travel topic on liturgical languages. Perhaps some people would like to go to some specific place of worship to hear a liturgical language. The dog2 (talk) 17:16, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Santa Barbara

Memories
There was a time, back in '66-'67, when you could walk or drive down State Street to the State Street pier, and just before entering, there was a street that circled around the harbor. To the right of the pier, on that street, was a little seafood stand. I was a steady customer, as the clam chowder was absolutely exquisite. Finally, after so many trips there, I, for whatever unknown reason, raised up on my toes, and checked out that magical pot of clam chowder, just to see what it looked like, there, on the burners. A huge pot. . . ..

A pot that may not have been cleaned in years!

Slightly below the rim, there was a lip of dehydrated clam chowder drippings that must have been an inch or more thick. I ate my cup of clam chowder, enjoyed it immensely, that day, and never returned.

Next time, - - Aisle Vista.

Breakup
Pages such as this start to get difficult to use as they get longer. What do people think about breaking this into multiple smaller pages...for example, a separate page for all of the winery descriptions? This would also make such contributions easier to find with the search tool. Thoughts?

-- Redondo, 2/9/06

 * See Project:District article template and Project:Huge city article template. I'm not convinced that this article has yet gotten so large as to warrant a breakup, but if you feel that it should be broken up then for consistency it needs to be done along geographic boundaries, rather than by topic.  Before doing that, however, it would be good to discuss what benefits would be gained and what in particular seems "too difficult" about the current article. -- (WT-en) Ryan 17:35, 9 Feb 2006 (EST)

Wineries

 * I evicted the wineries (which were misplaced here) into their respective towns linked to from Santa Barbara County.  That should help. -- (WT-en) Colin 00:42, 10 Feb 2006 (EST)

It appears they're back. Many of these wineries aren't in Santa Barbara, they're in the county. I'd think they should be moved up to Santa Barbara County again.--(WT-en) justfred 14:24, 13 October 2006 (EDT)
 * A sample of them in the County article is okay. But it'd be even more useful to point to the places where wineries can be found (Solvang, etc) and let the reader check out the articles for the place they're going. -- (WT-en) Colin 16:25, 13 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Ah... you did exactly that already :-) -- (WT-en) Colin 16:26, 13 October 2006 (EDT)
 * _I_ didn't, actually, but I was thinking that would probably be better. Maybe they need to be in both places, but they should either be in one or both but not the SB article.  Wonder how they got back here, I didn't see it in the history.--(WT-en) justfred 17:34, 13 October 2006 (EDT)
 * -- (WT-en) Colin 17:39, 13 October 2006 (EDT)

Touting
I've removed all references to the Santa Barbara Adventure Company due to repeated re-addition of multiple listings, despite pointers being provided to Project:Don't tout (see Special:Contributions/68.108.244.109). -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:56, 11 September 2010 (EDT)

To Guide, DotM
Thanks to Ryan and JimDeLaHunt for improving this article. It looks close to Guide status now. I would suggest that once the "Sleep" section is completely geocoded, this will be a Guide. At that point, would it be ready for a dotm nomination? Santa Barbara is a pleasant place to visit and would merit a feature if we think the article is good enough. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:04, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Fine dining options
"For a city as wealthy as it is, Santa Barbara has fewer real fine dining options than you might expect."

I'm not sure about that, and I think it's worth a discussion. First of all, is it really that wealthy? I think it's more that there are much wealthier communities nearby, as shown here. Secondly, fine dining doesn't have to be a splurge, and in my experience, a lot of the mid-range places in SB are toward the higher end and serve well-prepared food with good, fresh ingredients that has at least a strong nod toward fine dining. Third, are the splurge restaurants really that low a number for a city its size? Because Santa Barbara has a number of good attractions, it's easy to forget how relatively small it is. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:46, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

 * From what I know of the city, I think the original statement is quite accurate. Santa Barbara is somewhat like San Francisco: its population is small considering the city’s importance. (Except, I think perhaps we could cut the “as wealthy as it is” part: it has wealthy parts but is not perhaps as wealthy as that statement implies.) --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 02:05, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Santa Barbara is way, way smaller and way less important than San Francisco. The tallest building is the 4-story court! Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:20, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

 * This is more what I mean: San Francisco is, in population, a fairly large city that people think of as absolutely huge; Santa Barbara is a small-to-medium-sized city people think of as being fairly large, at least when it comes to tourism. My intention was not to say that the cities were a similar size in themselves. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 16:08, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

 * I get your point, but the thing is, SF also serves a metro region with a huge population. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:23, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Banner
Here's a new banner. The pier has always been my favourite spot of Santa Barbara, and an image of a rooftop doesn't really represent Barbara well, or at least to me (the buildings in SB do look nice though). ? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:25, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think both are fairly representative, but the latter is more aesthetically appealing. Santa Barbara is full of rooftops like the one picture in #1, and they’re almost a trademark of the city. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 11:56, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Although isn't SB more known for its buildings? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:03, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The image of the pier is a prettier photo but Selfie City is right about the adobe tiles being more distinctive, and these are both good banners, so I'm not sure what to say. Could we move the tiles to Santa Barbara County, which has a rather washed-out vineyard photo now? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:27, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:02, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:33, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Santa Barbara County

Wineries
I went ahead and put the wineries from the Santa Barbara article here. They should be in the individual pages, but I'm not sure whether to put them in both. A winery tourist would probably go to the individual pages rather than just print this page? Anyhow, after inserting them into the city articles, or verifying them, they might be removed from here.--(WT-en) justfred 17:43, 13 October 2006 (EDT)

Map and districting
I've started a map for a proposed regional hierarchy of Santa Barbara County on the main page. It currently fits nicely right at the edge of 7+2. I would propose that we merge Isla Vista and Montecito in to Santa Barbara, Orcutt merge into Santa Maria, and Los Olivos merge with Santa Ynez, barring a compelling argument to the contrary. Alternately, I think it would be reasonable to treat Santa Barbara, Isla Vista, Montecito, Goleta, Carpenteria, and Summerland as districts of a large(-ish) city, as a plan 'B'. -- MisterCustomer (talk) 23:43, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

 * Individual cities usually get their own articles unless there is a compelling reason to merge them elsewhere. Is there a particular advantage to merging existing articles? -- Ryan • (talk) • 00:30, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

 * No objection at all to sticking with the 9 incorporated cities. Just looking for the most logical categorization. -- MisterCustomer (talk) 02:33, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

 * A lot of times, once you get down to the county level no further subdivision is used - per Geographical hierarchy: "The 7 ± 2 rule... doesn't need to be applied stringently to the lowest level of the hierarchy; if a region has more than nine cities in it, and there's no helpful way to divide it into subregions then don't split it." In this case, it might make sense to just have a list of a dozen or so cities. -- Ryan • (talk) • 03:20, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

 * Will do. -- MisterCustomer (talk) 03:29, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

 * The static map is beautiful but needs to be updated, with Los Olivos and Montecito added. It would be nice to make this article into a Guide, and that's a necessary step, IMO. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:45, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Rural lodging
There are a few resorts in rural Santa Barbara county. Most that are listed are included in a nearby city article, even if they are well outside that city. The Region article template suggests a few ways to handle such listings. I chose to add a "Sleep" section to this County article, and put the resort I wanted to add in there. One could argue that it would fit in the Goleta article. One could argue that other rural resorts should come out of their city articles and go in this article's Sleep section. One could argue that it's worth creating articles for Rural Santa Barbara County — and maybe Santa Ynez Wine Country, to take the wine tour listings. JimDeLaHunt (talk) 21:17, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Wikivoyage struggles with rural attractions in general and no one has yet come up with a good solution. Putting them in the county article for now (as you've done) seems fine to me. -- Ryan • (talk) • 21:44, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Santa Catalina (California)

I changed this article's name to Santa Catalina from Santa Catalina Island because of the evidence in the article itself that the shortest common English name was Santa Catalina. In most cases, when talking of islands, the word Island is pretty much understood in the name, unless not using the word island becomes ambiguous. I can only find a couple of other places called Santa Catalina in Wikivoyage at present, and neither of those rates being a destination in California, so needing its own page. Besides tis is probably the most famous Santa Catalina anyway. -- (WT-en) Huttite 00:59, 1 May 2005 (EDT)

 * I agree and I'd like to formulate this as some sort of policy: so "Island X" should be just called "X", unless the word Island is an integral part of the name (eg. Rhode Island, Long Island). (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:36, 1 May 2005 (EDT)

 * I think that the most-common-English-name rule covers this fine. --(WT-en) Evan 10:41, 1 May 2005 (EDT)

 * Huttite, I think you are probably right about Santa Catalina, but for the wrong reasons. We don't use the "shortest" common English name, we use the most common English name. I think "Santa Catalina", "Catalina Island", and "Santa Catalina Island" are all used fairly commonly. See, , for examples in the local newspapers, the LA Times and the Long Beach Press-Telegram. The Getty Thesaurus only lists the last two, though. . --(WT-en) Evan 10:41, 1 May 2005 (EDT)

I appreciate the desire for a consistent policy, but common usage should trump. No one in Southern California ever calls it "Santa Catalina"...it's ALWAYS "Catalina Island". No one searching this site (or a search engine) will call it Santa Catalina. I know people with vacation homes on the Island and they call it "Catalina Island" also.

 * Agree, all official organizations related to the island use the name "Catalina Island", including the Catalina Island Chamber of Commerce and Visitors Bureau and the Catalina Island Conservancy . The title should stay as Catalina Island. Mcd51 (talk) 02:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Santa Catarina

Map
I think we don't quite have enough destination articles to warrant splitting into subregions yet, but over on pt: we do, so I made a map. I'm going to go ahead and add it to the article here too, but without linking the regions. The regions are based on the IBGE (Brazilian Geographic and Statistics Institute) mesoregions, so when the time comes, there is a very clear way to determine which region things go in. (WT-en) texugo 11:17, 10 February 2011 (EST)

title: Talk:Santa Catarina


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Talk:Santa Catarina Island

The Santa Catarina Island is part of the large municipality of Florianopolis, and not the other way round. I'm fixing the isIn accordingly. - (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 21:42, 21 March 2006 (EST)
 * And maybe we should use the district article for this island as a part of Florianopolis, what do you think? - (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 21:46, 21 March 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Santa Cruz (California)

Malabar
I went to Malabar last night and there was tarp inside the windows and the sign was missing. I'm sure I was in the tight place, the restaurante was not. Has anyone heard any news? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 67.188.85.133 (talk • contribs) 24 Dec 2006

The county
I just removed the following block of events as they aren't actually in SC the town -- but I cant recall if the county has the same name and thus would call for some disambiging... and I even lived there... 17:54, 5 April 2006 (EDT)

There are several fabulous Art & Wine Festivals in the county. Please click on the links to see this year's schedule.

Capitola Art & Wine Festival

Scotts Valley Art & Wine Festival "Art Under the Oaks"

Cabrillo Music, Art, Food, and Wine Festival

Boulder Creek Art & Wine Festival

 * Hello, thanks for creating the new sections for the small towns of Santa Cruz County. I'll put those festivals in the appropriate towns

as I get to them. Unless someone else gets to them first! (I just found out about Wikivoyage today, as you can probably tell by my errors.)
 * No problem! And please don't think of them as 'errors'-- wikivoyage is always a work-in-progress. If I might make a suggestion: if you sign up for a user account (only takes a sec and no personal info or email required) we can recognize your edits and welcome you with some info and pointers that might be helpful. But in any case, we appreciate your contributions! I look forward to seeing more... (WT-en) Majnoona 22:20, 5 April 2006 (EDT)

The Truth about Santa Cruz
[Edit] I hate to say it, but this description of my hometown is pure caca. Summer is often cold and foggy, winter is often cold and rainy. Pristine beaches? They're nice for sure, but daily bacteria warnings for the water kind of puts a damper on swimming in the 55 degree F water. It's a great town, but let's not mislead people. The city's beauty and ambiance is somewhat dampened by the meth-heads and other nut jobs wandering around downtown yelling at no one in particular. Having said that, the anything-goes atmosphere is somewhat refreshing and welcoming to those of us who like things a little off the beaten path. The university is first-rate. Come to Santa Cruz, for sure, just don't expect the eden written in the paragraphs above. —The preceding comment was added by 72.14.121.130 (talk • contribs)

 * Somebody moved my comments off the main page so you wouldn't know the real Santa Cruz. It's a great place, but what they say there is just not accurate. —The preceding comment was added by 128.114.132.64 (talk • contribs)

 * Editorial comments go on the talk page, not in the main article. If something is incorrect in the article please just fix it. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:38, 17 July 2012 (EDT)

title: Talk:Santa Cruz (California)


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Talk:Santa Cruz (city, Bolivia)

Sources & Copyright
How adequate would it be to use a source like Bolivia Web? Would it be considered copyright inflingement even if we rephrase it?

 * You cannot copy or even make an unauthorized derivative work (i.e. transform the text) from a copyrighted website. The information contained in those sites, however, is not copyrighted and you can use them as a source for research as long as you create your own (different, original) text to be licensed under the attribution-share alike licence. -- (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 13:44, 26 November 2006 (EST)

Move to Santa Cruz de la Sierra
Wikipedia uses the title Santa Cruz de la Sierra. This would also avoid our current, awkward disambiguation for the title of the article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 03:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

 * . I too favour Wikipedia's title. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:40, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

 * But is it good to disambiguate the city's name by including a longer official name, if no-one but the government uses it? Wouldn't that be like calling Bangkok "Krung Thep Maha Nakhon", New York City "City of New York" and Washington, DC "Washington, District of Columbia"? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:55, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's principle is to also use (same with eswiki on ), so it would be no different if we also adopted the name. Plus, don't we also use Santiago de Chile even though almost everyone uses Santiago?  SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 09:01, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I think Santa Cruz de la Sierra is becoming commonly used. For example, Google Maps uses the full name, as do several other travel guides and travel websites such as AirB&B. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 15:10, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * We may be making a mistake with Santiago, given what you're saying, except that since the disambiguation, if any, would be (Chile), using the full name is an elegant solution. The thing is, though, I don't think Santiago would need a disambiguation, so maybe we should remove the "de Chile" disambiguation from that title. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:30, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I think you're right regarding Santiago – though I guess it's best if we brought up the Santiago issue on Talk:Santiago de Chile. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 07:21, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I started the thread. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:31, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've commented on that thread. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:09, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

 * . Long official names (common throughout Latin America) are almost never used by locals nor by travelers, who prefer simpler, commonly used termsd (which are also more likely to appear on signs, etc.) Using awkward official names only serves to create more confusion for real travelers on the road. Mrkstvns (talk) 17:34, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * per Mrkstvns. Brycehughes (talk) 09:21, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm removing this discussion from WV:RFC as ❌. There is clear consensus to keep the name as-is. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:45, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:Santa Cruz (city, Bolivia)


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Talk:Santa Fe (New Mexico)

Discussion
I moved this article to conform with our Project:article naming conventions. -- (WT-en) Evan 17:40, 4 Sep 2003 (PDT)

I've started populating the "Eat" section, but it needs a lot of work. Santa Fe is an absolutely extraordinary place for dining and my own experiences here, despite living in the area for close to 30 years, barely scratch the surface. Please add stuff if you can. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 17:33, 23 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Images
Per our earlier discussion, I like the way this article is coming along and think it might eventually be a candidate for Destination of the Month. One of the DOTM requirements is that the article have a couple of good photos -- commons.wikimedia.org doesn't have any non-GFDL images for Santa Fe that I could find, so does anyone else know a source for CC-SA Santa Fe images? -- (WT-en) Ryan 00:12, 29 Sep 2005 (EDT)

 * Yahoo CC, Commons, Flikr Most of them are CC-2.0, but you can probably get permission for CC-1.0. --(WT-en) elgaard 15:10, 29 Sep 2005 (EDT)

 * FWIW, I had the good fortune to get quite a number of photos of Santa Fe around Christmas time that I modestly think are reasonably good. Several are now incorporated into the article, and others are at a second-tier (WT-en)  user page that I set up for people to review the pictures, in case there's a feeling that some would be preferred to the ones now in the article.  Comments welcome. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:15, 4 Feb 2006 (EST)

Revert
Copied from User talk:(WT-en) Wrh2:

Uh, Ryan, why that last revert to the Santa Fe page? I actually made the reverted change myself. I just wasn't on a computer that I could easily login from (was traveling this weekend to check a few things out and used somebody else's comp while on the road). The "teenager, not much to do" verbiage long pre-dated my work on that page and is much at odds with other things on it, but I wanted to leave the earlier poster's remarks about movie houses, etc.

Meanwhile, I got a connection to some photos that I think will top the thing off. Will apply them as soon as the guy who promised them gets home and sends me mail. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:00, 2 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * Just a mistake on my part. I didn't notice that there were any content changes, and just saw a formatting change by an anonmyous user.  The new list format didn't look quite right to me, so I reverted it.  Normally lists are of the form:

 * Item1. Description of item1.
 * Item2. Description of item2.

 * Since this list seemed more like paragraphs I reverted. I've since un-reverted, so your changes are back.  Sorry for the confusion. -- (WT-en) Ryan 21:12, 2 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * No prob. I agree that the new format doesn't "look quite right," but I am searching for a tactful way to include what the earlier contributor said (minus the "not much to do" part) within the framework of the overall article.  It's not always a smooth fit, but one would prefer to be inclusive.  Incidentally, I've added a bunch of other stuff on "Festivals" (hopefully following the standard format :-) ); would appreciate your critique. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 21:51, 2 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * Format is far less important than content (IMHO) - anyone can edit a page to fix format, but only someone who knows the destination can add useful content, so don't get too over-concerned with formatting. That said, I cleaned up a few items (mostly lodging and a couple of restaurants) to more closely conform to the Project:Restaurant listings and Project:Accomodation listings.

 * Format comments aside, I really like the way the content of this article is developing - you're giving a great insider view to the city, with food, lodging and activity suggestions that cater to all manner of traveler. From what I've heard about Santa Fe the festivals, rodeos and fairs are a really big deal and something that are uniquely Santa Fe, so I think it's fine the way you've set them up.  This article is definitely one that I would use when visiting, so thanks in advance of any future travels. -- (WT-en) Ryan 01:17, 3 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Sunrise Springs revert
Note to whoever put in the Sunrise Springs mention: thanks, it's a place that truly deserves mention, but it was already in there (under Sleep/Splurge). I've done the revert. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:43, 20 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Drink
For completeness, this article should have a "Drink" section, but I am unqualified to write it. Anybody want to have a go? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:16, 3 Dec 2005 (EST)

Inappropriate links
I rolled back links for an interior designer and what looked like a software company. I'm not sure what use they would be to the traveler. --(WT-en) Evan 19:57, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)

Usable, not Guide
So, I realize this article is up for Project:Destination of the month, but we need a lot of work on it. In particular, most of the listings aren't in the format required for Project:attraction listings, Project:restaurant listings, Project:accommodation listings, etc. I think we need to have at least addresses and phone numbers, and preferably some price range for maybe 50-60% of the listings. Opening hours would be good, too. I think a lot of these listings have links, so non-New-Mexicans can chip in and add info. I'll take a poke at a few of the listings.

I'm sorry to be a downer, and I'm probably being too strict, but I think this article needs some polish before calling it a real guide. --(WT-en) Evan 12:25, 16 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * I take that back: on closer review most of these listings do have an address. I'm going to change this back to a guide. --(WT-en) Evan 13:02, 16 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * I see what you've been doing with the museums, etc., and basically like it. However, you've introduced a couple of errors that I'll fix later -- some subtle stuff connected with passes and Museum Hill.  Santa Fe is a very "non-linear" place and any attempt to make a linear, hierarchical description of some of its features is a challenge... -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 13:05, 16 Dec 2005 (EST)

Museums
There are several subtleties to the museums that I have tried to capture in the current (23:32 16 Dec 05) version of the text. If you're planning on any surgery to these, please give me a heads-up beforehand and I'll try to help; seemingly reasonable prose can turn out to be misleading if you're not careful. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 00:37, 17 Dec 2005 (EST)

Map(s)
OK, so I've added a .PNG version of the overview map. This is to be considered a preliminary version with a few bugs to be worked out while awaiting a good .SVG of the same area. Feel free! Map of the downtown area will follow. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:43, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

American Standards
There seems to have been some objection to long history (at least by American standards!), so let me defend the original. In the USA, Santa Fe is one of the oldest cities (Florida has older cities). There is no settlement outside of Spanish and Portugese-controlled North America that is older -- the first English colony at Jamestown being the same age. However, the Spanish settled Mexico first. So it is incorrect to say that Santa Fe has a long history by New World standards as there are plenty of New World cities that are older. But within the borders of the USA, Santa Fe is nearly the eldest.

The first attempt to change this stated that this was an error because much of the history predated the founding of the US. This missed the point -- when we say "American Standards" the author is clearly referring to "the age of cities that Americans are used to expecting from cities within the United States." I would add, that in the West portion of the US, this is an astounding age. To give some idea of how out-of-the-ordinary this is, compare this to the eldest California city which is about half Santa Fe's age.

(As an aside, yes I know Native Americans in the US predate the US by jillions of years. But to the best of my knowledge, there is no history of what they did.  Elsewhere in the New World, some Native American history survived.  It just happens that none of it was within US borders). -- (WT-en) Colin 03:11, 18 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * OK. And by the way, the definition of history is a written record of a people.  The people living in North America before the Spanish came had not developed writing, hence, no history.  They probably had oral traditions, and hopefully whatever can be is being preserved by their decendants... etc. etc. etc. Anyhow you are right. -- (WT-en) Mark 04:49, 18 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * Let me further point out that the history of Santa Fe still isn't long by some standards even if you do include the pre-history. Northern New Mexico is liberally strewn with petroglyphs that, one might argue, constitute a written record of a sort; being part Indian, I would so argue, even though we don't know what they mean yet.  (Side comment: my mother-in-law is something of an authority on petroglyphs, and believes that progress is being made in understanding them.)  But even they only push the horizon back a few hundred years.  The pyramids of Egypt had still been built and abandoned for millennia before the earliest surviving petroglyph was inscribed.  Of course they were also built and abandoned long before written European history -- serving to remind us that antiquity is very much in the eye of the beholder.

 * In my opinion the original text is accurate, descriptive, and serves appropriately to place into context the circumstances under which the history of Santa Fe is viewed as "long." Thanks for the revert, Colin. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 10:37, 18 Feb 2006 (EST)

How to make this thing a Star?
I'd appreciate input as to what needs yet to be done to earn this article Star status. Santa Fe is likely to be a Destination of the Month during the summer of 2006, and it would be nice to go the extra mile and make it a Star by then. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 14:12, 5 May 2006 (EDT)

 * Well, this isn't a complete list because you'll need someone else to comment on substance for you:
 * Nail down every attraction, sleep, eat, and drink to be perfectly formatted. Should include full phone, address (directions is needed), website (when available), pricing, and hours.
 * I just added info for ElRancho de las Golodrinas from there website... which conflicts with the previous entry which claimed it was open for more months of the year. Might need to email them to clarify.
 * There's some "musical group" stuff with no text, just an extlink. Should be expanded into a full listing.
 * On the face of it, it looks like it'll be some work to get it there. But this is one of the best candidates for pushing-to-star that I've seen, so go for it! -- (WT-en) Colin 15:04, 5 May 2006 (EDT)

 * Thanks for the comments. The "substance" part is not a problem -- I've got a pretty good handle on that, although it would be good if someone more familiar with the night spots (not a strength of either Santa Fe or myself) would expand the "Drink" section.  I had intentionally left the "musical group" section somewhat terse, as it's a sub-subdivision and the article is already quite long for a city of 60,000.  Of course, Santa Fe isn't just any city of 60,000...  Please pass by occasionally and see what you think, and help "star-ify" the article as you've been doing. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 10:37, 6 May 2006 (EDT)
 * This article is fantastic! Thanks. 68.4.102.159 22:15, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

Only in Santa Fe...
The story in the infobox I added today is not an April Fools joke four months late; it really happened. Here's the reference: A delectable trivium not in the infobox is that the critter was finally brought to bay and tranquilized while it was hiding -- I kid you not -- in the store's toilet. I am not making this up; my imagination, even after 30 years' exposure to the artistic wackiness of this city, could never have come up with a story like that one! -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 22:44, 13 August 2007 (EDT)

International Hostels issue
Someone put the following text in the listing for the International Hostels site, typos and all: ''Locals request you not to use this locations. They will not rent to "anyone participating in the local economy". This means that Sana Fe's Homeless (a large portion in this city, due to extrememly high rent, comparable to Massachusetts, the highest in the country, for a one bedroom.) are turned down after receiving their first check. This occurence happens even in winter, when night temperatures drop well below freezing.'' I removed this because it was lousing up the formatting for the article, but the content is worth pondering. Should this concern be a valid reason to deprecate the Hostels as a place for the traveler? Discuss, please. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 21:02, 19 November 2008 (EST)

This is from the Santa Fe International Hostel's Management: The above is true. We find attempting to provide social services to be corrosive to our central mission, which is educational travel. The operator of the hostel spends several hours every weekend helping provide a meal for the homeless. For more information about our how we choose to operate and who we choose to serve, please do visit the website at http://hostelsantafe.com.

Possible Needed Updates
Being a complete newb here, I figured I'd state the following here, rather than edit the actual page. A few things: The Green Onion and Cafe Dominic's are closed. The Ore House, is definetely not a splurge restaurant.(solidly mid-range) Also, the 2nd most popular Santa Fe restaurant according to Yelp, and likely the one with the highest number of customers per year, The Cowgirl, is curiously omitted. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 67.164.136.34 (talk • contribs)

 * Please plunge forward and make the necessary updates. One request however - when removing a closed listing be sure to state the reason in the "Summary:" so that other editors know that it was removed for a reason. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:49, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

 * As updated by one of the moderators, being a newb I happen to update a page without making a suggestion first. It's something I just discovered on my trip to the city 2 weeks ago. Please plunge forward and update the necessary info if seem fit. The information can be found easily on maps. -- Lia • (talk) • 7:11, 26 March 2021 (PDT)

A Vacation Different, a comparatively new luxury vacation rental provider that I found and used their service just 2 weeks ago. I find the experience much personal and better as compared to my previous visits to the city.

 * So you just happened to find this? Did you copy and paste that content from their website or other promotional material? As I said on your user talk page, you need to read Don't tout and follow the guidelines there, and that's regardless of whether you're really just someone who happened to discover this organization 2 weeks ago or actually work for them. Moreover, since it's a vacation rental provider, you need to read Apt and address all the points there. The first condition is:

 * Consensus must be achieved on the article's talk page that rental listings should be allowed. When trying to build consensus provide some evidence that rental properties are commonly used by travelers to the destination and that their addition will improve the article.  Please do not argue the merits of any particular company, but instead focus on the value of such accommodation for travelers to the destination city/region.

 * Look at all the links, read them carefully, and then try to persuade us this isn't just touting that should be excluded from the guide. We'll give your arguments fair hearings, and thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:45, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Possible additions
The very well-known Aikido teacher Mutsuro Nakazono spent years in Santa Fe. Are his students still teaching there? Places like New York, Boston, London or Rome have teachers of comparable level, but much of the world does not. Nakazono himself introduced the art to France and was the main teacher in Paris for decades before he went to Santa Fe.

Some well-known writers, such as Roger Zelazny and George R. R. Martin, have lived in Santa Fe. Should they be mentioned along with the artists and musicians? Pashley (talk) 14:28, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

 * I'm a little unclear about how you want to include that in the page. Do you just mean working that into Understand? If so, go for it. PerryPlanet (talk) 16:37, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Santa Fe (province, Argentina)

If in the Santa Fe province, be sure to visit the small town of Arequito, and seek out the local avant garde artist Alberto Cesaro. Anyone in town can show you how to find him. His entire home, including his maze of a yard, is a museum of his sculptures made of refuse. His art comments on a lot of social issues, mainly poverty and the native people of Argentina. He loves visitors, and has a guest book in the chapel placed behind his home. The "Paseo del Arte," or path of arts as he calls his home, is open and free to the public. Alberto may come off as a little eccentric, but is warm and welcoming and gives an experience to never be forgotten. I swear, this guy is an undiscovered genius.

title: Talk:Santa Fe (province, Argentina)


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Talk:Santa Fe National Forest

Images on Wikivoyage Shared. (WT-en) gamweb 23:43, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

 * Look for images on Commons. That was shared.wikitravel.org. There never was a shared.wikivoyage.org. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:39, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Proposed merger to Jemez Mountains and Sangre de Cristo Mountains
I don't know how many of you are familiar with North Central New Mexico, but there's an odd overlap in our "Other destination" articles. The Santa Fe National Forest is made up of two areas: one covering the southern portion of the Sangre de Cristo Mountains, and the other covering most of the Jemez Mountains. All three of these guides were created and mostly developed by User:Bill-on-the-Hill, but I don't think he's been all that active lately (Bill, if you're around, I'd love to get your input!). Given that we have articles on both mountain ranges, it seems redundant to also have one on the forest administrative unit that covers those mountain ranges. The sights and activities are the same, after all.

I believe the info on this page could be easily shifted over to the mountain guides and I would be happy to see it through, but I'd like to have the blessing of the Wikivoyage community before I go messing around with this guide. PerryPlanet (talk) 22:07, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

 * I am not familiar with that area of New Mexico, but you gave a very logical reason for your proposal, so sure, why not? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

 * Be sure to maintain attribution by linking to this article in edit summaries when importing information to the other guides. (It's tricky because this page's content will be split.) Powers (talk) 01:57, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

 * I've gone ahead with the merger. PerryPlanet (talk) 22:25, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:Santa Fe National Forest


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Talk:Santa Monica

Hotel & restaurant guides
The following links are not in compliance with the external links policy but may be useful for data mining:

 * Santa Monica Restaurant Guide, Santa Monica Chamber of Commerce, . A list of Santa Monica restaurants with brief descriptions.
 * Santa Monica Hotel Listings, Santa Monica Chamber of Commerce, . A list of Santa Monica hotels, motels and hostels with brief discriptions.

-- (WT-en) Ryan 02:46, 3 April 2006 (EDT)

Restaurants
Per Project:Avoid negative reviews I'm pulling this one:

 * Swingers, 802 Broadway (near Lincoln), (310) 393-9793. Located within walking distance of the 3rd Street Promenade, this diner packs a lot of attitude into its small location.  Food is good and reasonably priced (egg entrees run between $5 - $9), the service is lively, and the neon pink cows on the wall will keep you wondering what medications the decorator was using.  Open Sunday - Wednesday from 7AM to 2AM, and Thursday - Saturday from 7AM to 3AM.

The food is good, but while visiting today we got a bottle of hot sauce that fell apart and spilled everywhere. It took several minutes to get anyone to bring towels or anything to clean up with, they wouldn't immediately replace the meal (despite the fact that hot sauce spilled all over it and all over my brother's clothing), they never offered to comp the food, and when we left a $1 tip the waiter followed us out sarcastically asking if we wanted our $1 back. The place prides itself on having a punker attitude, but there's a clear line between attitude and rudeness/bad service.

If this was an isolated incident then someone else may want to restore this listing in the future, otherwise there are better places to direct travelers to. -- (WT-en) Ryan (talk) 15:27, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

Getting Around
The Breeze bike share system doesn't exist anymore (the web link is also dead). Santa Monica now has the LA Metro Bike Share program. —The preceding comment was added by 35.21.33.239 (talk • contribs) 06:35, 6 November 2021
 * Plunge forward. This is the travel guide that anyone can edit. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:39, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

title: Talk:Santa Monica


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Talk:Santa Rosa (California)

This article needs a serious facelift. It is pretty nasty-sounding. --(WT-en) Evan 13:13, 12 Nov 2004 (EST)

 * Agreed. The recent section on police brutality goes way over the Project:Neutral point of view line. The section needs to be retitled with the "Stay safe" header, and the information needs to be toned down and made more relevant for travelers. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 03:56, 30 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * Does this article really have any merit to it at this point? Just breezing through the article, it sounds an awful lot like someone that doesn't really care for where they have to live because they are dependant on their parents.  I can't see too much in here that is useful to a traveller.  I don't find sentences like "...younger students who need to transfer are about to be fucked royally," to be a helpful point when deciding where I'd like to visit in California.  -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 12:03, 30 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * OK, I declare a do-over. I've moved the previous version to Talk:Santa Rosa/First try, and we can take another shot on Santa Rosa. Let's put some elbow grease in and make this a worthwhile article. --(WT-en) Evan 12:24, 30 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * Following Evan's lead I attempted to incorporate some of the ideas from the first version into the new, but made it decidedly more useful from a traveller's perspective. However, I know nothing about Santa Rosa so I can't put too much information about what places actually look/feel like.  I'll poke around some more later. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 13:35, 30 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * I've updated the history, and Getting In section a bit in hopes of making this article usable. 09:54, 20 May 2010 (EDT)

 * Nice work! Maybe now it's time to shoot for guide status? ;)  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:04, 20 May 2010 (EDT)

Police
I think the section about the police should be removed. Hopefully travellers to Santa Rosa are not planning on getting arrested. I don't think we need a safety section. But if we do, it should be used to talk about being safe from criminals rather than police. For instance, don't go in deserted areas of downtown at night. I will remove the section if there are no objections. If you have comments, please go to my talk page.

(WT-en) JBFrenchhorn 02:28, 10 June 2007 (EDT)

 * I can't speak about Santa Rosa in particular, but in general, I think we want to include information about dangers regardless of where they come from. If the police are a threat (again: I don't know about here), that should be noted. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 09:27, 10 June 2007 (EDT)

Well there have been incidences here of police using deadly force. However, none of these occurred over trivial situations. The criminals presented an immediate threat to the lives of others. The danger of the police here is about the same as that in other cities. If you raise a deadly weapon, the police will probably use force to keep you from carrying out your intent. It's kind of obvious. The police here don't just go around shooting rude tourists. The danger is so small, it is practically non-existant for law-abiding citizens.

We could find warnings to issue about just about anything. I just read an article the other day about a man at a drive through fast food restaurant who opened up his burger and found that the employees had spat on it. But this doesn't mean that we should issue a warning for all people eating burgers at that chain's restaurants to look inside their burgers.

By the way, the employees were fired, as would be any police officer who committed a violent crime. And I don't recall any instances of SR police officers being prosecuted for using their guns.

(WT-en) JBFrenchhorn 03:49, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Todd was saying "if it's true, leave it in even if it is trivial" but that he doesn't know Santa Rosa well enough to judge. I live close enough to Santa Rosa to say it has no special reputation regarding the Police, so I've remove the section. -- (WT-en) Colin 17:47, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

Possible additions

 * https://museum.santarosa.edu/ -- John Broughton 19:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Bees N Blooms and the Lavender Labyrinth and Flower Gardens - https://beesnblooms.com/ -- John Broughton 21:30, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Canevari's - in business for almost 100 years. For the tourist, try the sandwiches and the excellent potato salad. -- John Broughton 21:33, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * L'Oro Di Napoli - https://www.sonomamag.com/loro-di-napoli-opens-in-santa-rosa-for-lovers-of-thin-and-crispy-pizza/ -- John Broughton 19:12, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/owner-channels-the-best-vibes-running-positively-fourth-street-in-downtown/ -- John Broughton 22:46, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

 * Mitote Food Park, believed to be the first Mexican food park in Northern California, staged its grand opening in July 2022. It marks the completion of the first piece of Roseland Village, a plan by the County of Sonoma to redevelop the site of a former shopping center in the Roseland neighborhood. -- John Broughton 20:36, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:San Teodoro (Sardinia)

Should this be San Teodoro (Italy)?
Project:Article_naming_conventions seems to imply yes. -- (WT-en) Jonboy 18:07, 17 January 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Santiago (disambiguation)

Famous Place
this page started out as Santiago de Chile. Surely that counts as the famous Santiago. So should it stay here or move to somewhere else? If so should it be Santiago de Chile or Santiago (Chile)? -- (WT-en) Huttite 06:57, 20 Dec 2005 (EST)

Disambiguation page and page move
This page has not been moved to Santiago de Chile. It was copied instead by an anonymous user. Consequently all the history for Santiago de Chile is still here. Some maintenance work needs to be done to correct this. The Santiago sub pages also need to be moved. Or else everything needs to be reverted. -- (WT-en) Huttite 06:57, 20 Dec 2005 (EST)

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Talk:Santiago (Isabela)

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Talk:Santiago

Pictures
If anyone has a picture of La Moneda, it would be great to get it in the article. I can upload it if necessary, just send it my way. -- (WT-en) Peraltita 12:35, 12 November 2006 (EST)

Warning box
Should we have a warning box about the violent riots taking place in Santiago that are celebrating/protesting Pinochet's death. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 21:35, 10 December 2006 (EST)

 * Sure, sounds like a good idea. A Travel news item might be good, too. Sounds like a big brouhaha, but I doubt that the protests are going to be effective. --(WT-en) Evan 21:43, 10 December 2006 (EST)

Posting Letters
Shall we mention that you have to go downtown to the post office to mail a postcare, as there are no mailboxes anyhere else in town? That was a surprise to me. --(WT-en) Beenthere 02:14, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

 * Plunge forward. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:54, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Districts
I've been taking a look at this article for the past week or so trying to see what I could do to help on the collaboration of the month front. One of the things that struck me was how unhelpful I found the districts - no borders (which helps both contributors and travellers) and very little content. After giving it some thought, I've removed the districts section from the article for three reasons:

 * 1) They seemed pretty incoherent to someone (me) who had never been there before (no borders defined and it looks like only part of the city is covered by them),
 * 2) The districts appear to fail all the recommendations for when to districtify a huge city, and
 * 3) Given the small amount of content right now, I feel it is easier for a traveller to use one useful-grade Santiago article than five or so sparsely filled outlines.

I have no doubt that Santiago is big enough to have districts, but I think we should first focus on getting more content into the main article. Once that is done, hopefully someone who is familiar with the city can step in and lend their expertise to shaping some comprehensive districts.

For reference, the old districts are below. I haven't deleted these articles, so when the time comes they can be reused, merged or redirected as required. I tried to copy any info in these pages into the main Santiago article so users can continue to find and use it. (WT-en) Shaund 02:18, 11 January 2009 (EST)

 * Barrio Brasil
 * Barrio Suecia
 * Barrio París Londres
 * Barrio Bellavista - The neighbourhood where most of the nightlife is concentrated.
 * Plaza Nuñoa - a square with quiet and relaxed nightlife.

More classification
I can't help thinking the drink section would benefit from being split up into sub-sections such as Providencia and Bella Vista. Any objections?--(WT-en) zorn 01:06, 2 February 2010 (EST)

 * If we have enough listings for those areas, go ahead. It will be useful for when we want to districtify the city. (WT-en) Shaund 01:59, 3 February 2010 (EST)

Bar Liguria
I just added an entry for Bar Liguria after going there twice during my trip. There was an older entry for presumably the same bar (the address was a few digits off, and I have a receipt in front of me as I write this so I'm fairly sure mine is correct) which seemed completely inconsistent with what I saw there. It didn't seem like a matter of opinion, I just didn't recognise the place from the older description, so I decided I'd plunge forward :-) and delete it. This note is here in case I upset anyone, I don't claim to know the city well, I am just assuming the old entry was wrong or out of date and I do have a limited but real amount of experience. --(WT-en) zorn 01:06, 2 February 2010 (EST)

Pollution
I'm wondering if wiki voyage needs to be taking a political stance in regards to a travel article. Global Warming is a debatable idea, and smog and pollution is relative. A large percentage of world travelers are coming from cities like LA, Houston, New York, DFW, London, etc. These are all highly developed populated cities with lots of stuff in the air, I certainly don't make a decision about going somewhere based on air quality. Furthermore, the whole issue is a Moral Hazard as that we are all involved in the dispersal and distribution of particulate matter into the air. Additionally, there is no real solid 100 precent proof that increased "pollution" is harmful and/or killing life, as the earth, humans and all other life forms are in a constant state of evolution, that's how we survive.

This is a travel article. Traveling is about exploring and experiencing new and exciting things, and meeting different and interesting people. Lets leave the politics and debates of pollution and smog to the news and science sites.

 * We provide information that can be of use to travelers and let them make up their minds whether the information is important to them or not. If you think pollution is harmless and might be beneficial, that's up to you. And that's all I have to say about the supposed controversies you bring up. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:21, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

How many district articles does Santiago need?
A little more than a year ago I found this article. It had district articles but no map and some of the POIs were still sitting around in the city's article. After some massive googling and adding of coordinates, I managed to get a coarse picture of the districts (yes, I've never been to and know nothing about Santiago de Chile).

Now when looking at the district articles, they are really just laundry lists of POIs and most of them are rather short. Undoing the districtification would probably not be a good idea — after all we have fairly many POIs — but maybe the number of districts could be cut down to something like 4-5? Also, is there someone here with personal knowledge of the city who would be able to fill in sections both in the city's article and the districts'? User:Minnecologies? ϒpsilon (talk) 16:05, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Anyone? ϒpsilon (talk) 13:22, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

 * So, my suggestion would be adding up the articles to something like this:
 * 1. West (Barrio Brasil, Barrio Lira, Historic Center*), 2. Lastarria-Bustamente (Lastarria, Bustamente), 3. East (Bellavista*, Sanhattan*, Providencia*), 4. Suburbs. (A star indicates Usable status as of now.) Apart from the Suburbs article, which I don't know what to do with, this would give us district articles which are not only usable (has get in, see, eat, sleep) but seriously has something more than just the bare minimum. Why is that needed? All district articles need to be usable in order to make the main Santiago article eligible for Guide status. In addition, the Spanish article likely has something worth translating to make this an even more comprehensive article.
 * What's the use of all this? Well, for Northern Hemisphere winter months we usually have somewhat hard time finding articles to be featured as Destination of the Month (articles nominated for DotM must be at Guide status and otherwise in a brilliant shape and up to date), so this could perhaps be a good one to put on the Main Page sometime in the winter of 2016-17? ϒpsilon (talk) 17:17, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

New district division, Guide status and DotM
Still not been to Santiago, still nobody has shown interest in my monologue above, however I'm planning to go ahead with this project soon. Part of the reason is that I'd like to see some Latin American article(s) as DotM(s) next winter too, but I think we should avoid featuring places like Mérida (Mexico) until the zika epidemic calms down. Santiago, and Chile in general, seem to be safe in this respect. Santiago is however still only a usable article.

Santiago's article at es looks quite good (it's a Star!) and bringing over stuff from there will definitely be enough to bring ours up to Guide status... or would, if the districts would be in a better shape but they don't look very good as of now. Many of them are outlines and have to be combined in order to get them to usable status. Fortunately the district articles over at es which I've now had a closer look at do have things worth translating (unfortunately most of the content isn't listingfied and it's pretty encyclopedic) including bits of information about places further out from downtown. There are minor differences between our and the Spanish district division as well as the official division (go to the dynamic map and turn on the boundaries from the menu), but as the new districts will be fairly large this won't be much of a problem.

So, here is my idea for five new districts:
 * 1) Downtown (composed of: Historic center ✅, Barrio Lastarria ✅, Barrio Lira ✅, Zona Centro ✅ — though parts of this one also seems to belong to what we call Barrio Brasil, possibly Bustamente-Providencia, Parque Forestal ✅) = red+purple area combined into one
 * 2) Bustamente-Providencia (composed of:Parque Bustamante ✅, Providencia ✅, Providencia (Chile) ✅) = orange+light green area combined into one
 * 3) Sanhattan and East (composed of: Sanhattan ✅, Zona Oriente ✅, Ñuñoa ✅, Vitacura ✅, Lo Barnechea ✅ and the easternmost slice of Zona Sur ✅ including the sole listing in Santiago de Chile/Suburban Santiago ✅ ) = blue area extended further east
 * 4) Bellavista and North (composed of: Bellavista ✅, Zona Norte ✅, Barrio Bellavista ✅, Recoleta ✅) = dark green area extended further north
 * 5) Barrio Brasil, West and South (composed of: Barrio Brasil ✅, Zona Poniente✅, most of Zona Sur ✅) = yellow area extended west and south

As you may see it's basically just a fusion of already existing districts, not a major mashup, still comments are welcome (especially if there's somebody here who happens to know the city). I'll probably plunge forward in a couple of days if there's no opposition. --ϒpsilon (talk) 14:35, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

 * I'd like to help somehow. I'm rather wondering why the articles are focused on a few small districts right in the center, and most of this city is contained in the (empty) Santiago_de_Chile/Suburban_Santiago . Do we know if there really is nothing outside the city center? (I'm guessing there probably is content) Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:08, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

 * Hi and welcome onboard! Sure there are interesting things in the suburbs, please have a look at the Spanish articles I've linked to (the links that are lighter blue). While our district division for some reason (no idea who created it in the first place) right now are just spots in or near downtown, the Spanish Wikivoyage's districts instead ray out from it in different directions, thereby also containing information from the suburbs. And even if they don't, our new articles will provide a complete coverage of the city which is good when someone wants to add suburban listings in the future.
 * As this is not Lima and I'm not Turbo :) let's wait for a couple of days, then merge our current articles so that we get just five of them per above, and after this start adding content from the Spanish articles. ϒpsilon (talk) 21:42, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

 * Great :) Just FYI, there is also this map from Wikipedia. Santiago --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:28, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

 * Yup, that map also in the Spanish article. ϒpsilon (talk) 05:17, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

 * Ah, just saw that at the top of the article. But it isn't actually directly related to the districts section right? Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:10, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

 * Yes, the Spanish districts are the inner 3/4 of the map. If I understood what I read yesterday correctly, there are four administative levels on the top of each other that all contain the name “Santiago”.

 * Highest up, there’s the w:Santiago Metropolitan region (in the dynamic map “XIII Región Metropolitana de Santiago”), a huge thing.
 * The most central part of it is known as the Santiago conurbation/Greater Santiago etc., which is what is depicted in the colorful map to the right.
 * If one cuts off the outermost corners of the former, w:Santiago Province, Chile, (“Provincia de Santiago” in the dynamic map) is what one has left. This is what the Spanish article covers and this is what I also planned that our Santiago article should cover (the sum of the five districts).
 * The red thing in the middle of the colorful map corresponds to “Santiago” in the dynamic map and es:Santiago de Chile: Zona Centro in the Spanish version. In our current version, this corresponds to Barrio Brasil, Historic Center and Barrio Lastarrio and some grey stuff south of the two latter. In the new version, the eastern half will make up “Downtown” and the western be part of the “West and South”. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:33, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

 * OK great, so these tie up with your 5 proposed areas?
 * As an aside, the OSM looks fairly detailed. Seems that there are glaciers within the (administrative) boundaries of this city! --Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:23, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

 * Yes, more or less. BTW I'm working on the district map right now and it'll be finished in a couple of hours. Given there has been no opposition, I will perform the merger of the districts when I'm done with the map.
 * And yeah, it looks like the eastern part of the city is so large that it apparently goes up to some glaciers in the Andes. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:00, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

[indent reset] So, now we have five well usable articles, perhaps they need some minor polishing. Also, I just promoted the article's status to Guide, and will nominate it for DotM for some month for next Northern Hemisphere winter sometime later. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:15, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Mapmasks
Andrew, thanks for the mapmasks, however our downtown article doesn’t correspond exactly to the administrative downtown. The westernmost third (west of that freeway) I’ve grouped together with west and south to get more listings in that article. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:15, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

 * ah, ok :) --Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:14, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Name
Do we need the "de Chile" disambiguation? Isn't this by far the largest city called Santiago and the most famous if we exclude Santiago de Compostela, which is much more commonly called by its full name than Santiago de Chile? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:30, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

 * . The "clearly more famous" applies here. enwiki also only uses "Santiago", though eswiki does use "Santiago de Chile" . --  SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 07:54, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * removing "de Chile". "Santiago de Chile" isn't an official name... it's simply used in Spanish when you need to disambiguate among the Santiagos. This use case doesn't apply here as we use a disambiguation page to disambiguate. Brycehughes (talk) 09:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

 * per @SHB2000, Santiago Chile is the "most famous" Santiago. Mrkstvns (talk) 14:20, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * per above. Ground Zero (talk) 17:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If there are no objections by March 7, I will move the articles accordingly. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 20:22, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. I scanned Santiago and the only place that could be a significant travel destination in its own right is Santiago (Cape Verde). I don't know if this is a popular travel destination among Europeans, and if it is, whether it would be known as "Santiago" or as "Cape Verde" or even "Praia". However, virtually all of the search results for "Santiago place" on the internet point to the city in Chile. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 15:17, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The other Santiago that's a significant travel destination is Santiago de Compostela, but as I said, the full name of that city is used much more open, and historically, some foreigners even called it just "Compostela". Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅, though more will need to be done (categorization, links, etc.) – I'll do them this weekend. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 12:28, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Fixed the categories (meaning it can be left as-is if needed). -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 12:32, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ fixing all the mainspace redirects. That was exhausting. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! That was really formidable! I saw that you worked on a huge number of articles! Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:45, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Ikan :-)! I think it took around 150 edits to fix the redirects, categories and the names, but I'm glad we're here to where we are now. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 09:56, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Santiago de Compostela

There is a 3 stars hotel called Hesperia Gelmirez, that is very near old town, with very good rates.

Modifications
I'm changing some things of this page beacuse it's not up to date, and I'm adding some other interesting info. (WT-en) Victimista 18:15, 25 July 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Santiago de los Caballeros

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Talk:Santiniketan

Can the title 'the Institution' be changed to 'Viswa Bharati University' to make it more clear (WT-en) WindHorse 23:22, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Hi P.K.Niyogi - Actually, 'Fairs' and 'Festivals' should be listed under 'Do' not 'See' - for your reference take a look at this page: Project:Where you can stick it. By the way, this article is looking really good. I have often passed through the town on the train. Now I have the info I need to get of have look around. Thanks for your efforts (WT-en) WindHorse 23:28, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Thanks. I only hope that people will add to the 'Sleep' section and put in photographs. Santiniketan is somewhat ill kept and neglected but there is no dearth of visitors. I have been going for many years. -- (WT-en) P.K.Niyogi 00:07, 19 October 2006 (EDT)

 * The reason I would go is because I'm fan of the great poet, philosophy and playwrite Rabindranath Tagore, not so much to see the town itself. (WT-en) WindHorse 00:49, 19 October 2006 (EDT)

Listings outside Santiniketan
Should I add listings outside Santiniketan? It seems like there are a lot of useful listings for Bolpur and Prantik. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 07:46, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

 * If you feel that would best serve the visitor to Santiniketan, but if so, I would suggest for you to state in the lede or "Understand" section that Bolpur and Prantik are also covered by this article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for input. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 14:34, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Baul culture
Santiniketan is said to be famous for the baul culture, but the meaning of that word is never explained. Could someone please give a brief description of it somewhere, if it is something a visitor can experience? Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:01, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Santo Domingo

Buy
Section needs an introductory paragraph on currency...what's accepted, how to obtain it, etc. Thanks. J. Henne hennejon@aol.com

 * Well, while the information is indeed lagging, currency information should be on the country page, not in the city page - as this would basically mean the information should be copied to every single city article in the country. Personally I find information on where to exchange money to be somewhat superfluous, as I in the 38 countries I've visited, never have been anywhere where exchanging money turned out to be a problem. But thank you for the comments, and please add any information you feel is missing, when you return from your vacation. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 05:35, 16 August 2009 (EDT)

Just how many airports are there?
In a similar vein as the get in section of the country article, this get in section just lists a bunch of airports without even a hint of how to get from there to Santo Domingo proper. Now I know that sometimes flying to a somewhat distant airport can be a good idea, but if that's the case here, I need that and the way to get there spelled out. Hobbitschuster (talk) 03:08, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

 * added some info on transfer times and did a minor reorg of that section to make it more clear. Jlg23 (talk) 12:52, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

title: Talk:Santo Domingo