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Talk:Niagara Falls (Ontario)

Question
Can anyone tell me how long of a drive it is from the Hamilton airport to Niagra Falls?

By taxi
With respect to edits like this one, the "By taxi" section of this article (and many others on Wikivoyage) was getting spammy. Typical Wikivoyage practice is that we'll leave listings of questionable value when there are only one or two (example: fast food restaurants, taxi listings, car rental listings) but remove them with a general statement about availability if the listings become a problem. That's what I've done here - there is information in this article about taxi rates under the "By bus" section (which arguably is the wrong place) so we don't need to say much more on the matter. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:06, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

Eat, chain listings
I wasn't aware the Maid of the Mist restaurant was a franchise. Can anyone vouch? Also, a review of chains specific to a country/region should be listed on those country/region articles, correct (such as Canada, U.S., Ontario or New York)? Therefore, a review of Tim Horton's, Wendy's, etc. could be erased. Lastly, I will attempt to categorize the Eat section according to price, but for those listings which don't indicate a price, how would one be able to categorize the listing other than reading the description (which may or may not indicate a price setting)?(WT-en) Zepppep 12:44, 6 April 2011 (EDT)

 * Chain restaurants shouldn't get their own listing for destinations that have a variety of restaurants - it's generally sufficient to just include a single sentence at the top of the "Eat" section stating something like "Standard chain restaurants such as Wendy's, McDonald's, ... can be found here along with more unique establishments". As to dividing by price, others may have better methods but I've always just defaulted to "Mid-range" when I couldn't figure out where a restaurant fit.  As long as you include Template:Eatpricerange to indicate what the ranges are for each category then more knowledgeable contributors should be able to fix any mistakes in the future. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:52, 6 April 2011 (EDT)

 * Milestones Niagara Falls is a Canadian luxury chain with a fallsview location. Its chef is among other featured local pseudo-celeb chefs -- maybe the focus should be on takeout, drivethrough, and cafeteria style chain restaurants. Sometimes there are signature chain locations (like the McDonalds in Chicago). Kurtismccartney • (talk) • 10:26, 15 January 2013 (EDT)

Niagara 11 is Learning
This is an invitation to help Niagara11. She is new to the wiki world and will be cleaning up the language to remove ad phrases (touting). This is in order to add travel information about the Fallsview area on Fallsview Blvd. The new posts will be dry as a cracker. Except for this one. —The preceding comment was added by 70.54.218.226 (talk • contribs)
 * We don't require "dry as a cracker" language; in fact, we want lively writing. But "Start celebrating all of your life’s milestones, at Milestones Grill + Bar" is not "lively" -- it's advertising.  Please see Project:Tone.  (WT-en) LtPowers 19:37, 30 September 2011 (EDT)
 * Just a heads up - I've added a cleaner version of the Milestones NF info along with the Terrapin Grille, Located at the peak of the escarpment immediately next to Niagara Falls. I welcome anyone that wants to improve the pieces by adding context. BTW "lifes milestones" may seem like advertising, but so is putting a phone number or address next to the name. Their focus is on milestone celebrations, incl. birthdays, anniversaries, finishing chemotherapy treatment, losing a kilogram of body weight, etc. The term "Special Occasion" doesn't always work - nor is it approved brand language. Just as large hamburger doesn't cut it for McDonalds, some of these brand slogans are balanced between marketing with nouns (Milestones) and describing with adjectives (milestones). Also, please use 'I' rather than 'we' when conveying a personal opinion. —The preceding comment was added by Kurtismccartney (talk • contribs)
 * I was not stating a personal opinion; I was describing site policy. LtPowers (talk) 21:28, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarification. I was connecting your (LtPowers) statement about language (We don't require "dry as a cracker" language; in fact, we want lively writing) to the personal opinion (But "Start celebrating all of your life’s milestones, at Milestones Grill + Bar" is not "lively" -- it's advertising). Although lively is a really bad description of what it was in the first place. Copy and paste seems to be the real description of Niagara11's style. Kurtismccartney (talk) 21:43, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Alphabetical Sorting, Additions, and Corrections
Corrected some of the alphabetical sorting that was going wrong. (bottom additions) Added some info about local businesses. (Marriott, Mag Tours, Milestones, Terrapin) Corrected the depressing "Niagara Falls shuts down in the Winter" message, only MotM and Marineland shut down AFAIK. (Amirite?) —The preceding comment was added by Kurtismccartney (talk • contribs)

Tours from Toronto and in Niagara Falls
Going over the Tour companies (currently under Get In) and many of these listings are more "Do" types of events. I'd prefer to move them to DO. The one complication remains the set of tour companies from Toronto which kinda count as a Get In, although its more of a GetIn-GetOut for residents of Toronto - which is still DO. Thoughts? Kurtismccartney (talk) 01:11, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd left the tours in there until I had a chance to clean them out, but I never got around to it. Per our policy, tours shouldn't be listed unless they offer some sort of added value, something that travelers wouldn't be able to do on their own.  LtPowers (talk) 02:17, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Maid of the Mist
I have removed the Maid of the Mist from the 'See' section. This article is about Niagara Falls, Ontario, and the listing was for the New York cruises only. Since Hornblower now operates the Canadian boat trips, and Maid of the Mist no longer operates in Ontario, there is no reason for the listing on this page. 209.90.140.72 23:23, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

oasisniagara.com
The .com domain is for sale and the telephone rings unanswered (noon edt). Is this place open or closed? I'll try one more 'phone call in the evening, then remove this if there's still no answer. K7L (talk) 16:40, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

 * K7L - As luck would have it, I'm going to be heading to the Falls this weekend. If you don't mind holding off for two or three days, I can check this out for myself. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:30, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Still ringing no answer; thanks, I'll wait until you return. K7L (talk) 00:41, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

 * K7L - I just arrived back home from Niagara Falls. Results on this are decidedly inconclusive. The building at the listed address appears to be an ordinary home on a residential side street, certainly occupied, but with no signage or anything else to indicate that it's in use as a guesthouse. This being Niagara Falls, I suppose it can't be ruled out that this is a seasonal business that closes during the winter. Do what you think is best, I suppose. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:29, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

 * It rings five times with no answer, then gives a personal voicemail "(male voice) please leave a message". The number does not answer as (or identify itself as) a commercial business and the .com domain is cybersquatted. I'll presumed closed as it makes no sense to send a voyager to an establishment which is unreachable or not open. K7L (talk) 21:45, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Organized tours
Don't most of these listings violate Tour? Wine tastings are fine, as are helicopter tours, but anyone can easily visit the falls on their own, so does anyone have a good argument for not deleting tours of the falls? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:33, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't check the talk page before removing the section. I don't know why it even existed, especially in "Get in". Powers (talk) 19:03, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Directions from BNIA
Let me know if [//en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Niagara_Falls_%28Ontario%29&type=revision&diff=3056056&oldid=3055289 this edit summary] isn't clear. Powers (talk) 15:10, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

 * Your edit summary was clear, but the directions themselves weren't quite as clear as they might have been. See the edit summary of the subsequent edit. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:25, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Niagara Falls Tourism Taxes
The following box appeared in the article's Buy section:

Here is an answer via email from Niagara Falls Tourism (as of Dec. 2, 2019):
 * With regard to compulsory fees that are charged on accommodation, you can expect:

 * HST of 13% charged as required on goods and services
 * Municipal Accommodation Tax of $2 (+HST) per night

 * As independent businesses, the operators may also levy a Mandatory Charge or Resort Fee. These fees vary from property to property but are clearly outlined at the time of booking. You may also see similar fees at restaurants; however, if they do apply, they are clearly listed on the menu so that consumers are aware.

 * Niagara Falls Tourism offers information on accommodation, dining and attractions that can be accessed at https://www.niagarafallstourism.com/sleep/ . There are links to individual businesses where prices and related fees are listed.

The info box was replaced by more appropriate messages in Eat and Sleep. TheTrolleyPole (talk) 23:02, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Marineland Theme Park
The entry for Niagara Falls (Ontario) says as part of the description: "The park was the subject of protests due to extensive Toronto Star coverage in 2012 where former employees documented poor conditions in which animals were held." The cause may be noble, but it seems inappropriate for a WikiVoyage article. Should the statement be removed? TheTrolleyPole (talk) 14:42, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

 * I wasn't tagged here, but this was fairly big news in Buffalo as well at the time it went on, so I feel I can weigh in with some degree of authority. My position, frankly, is that if Wikivoyage were to add analogous warnings to every zoo, theme park, restaurant chain, etc. etc. etc. that's ever been protested by animal rights extremists over unproven hearsay and speculation, we'd have our work cut out for us. Granted, in not all of those cases did a major national newspaper get into the act, but the fact remains that (unless I seriously missed something) no conclusive proof of the allegations against Marineland was ever unearthed. Plus, this all happened seven years ago and it's been quiet on that front since then. I'd say let's excise. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:15, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't agree that all has been quiet. Protests continue. See the Wikipedia article. Former staff have come forward as recently as 2016 to blow the whistle on the conditions for the animals. Just as we advise readers of conditions for the animals on elephant treks and let them make up their own minds, I think it is fair to let readers know that there are concerns about the conditions at Marineland and let them decide. We should not tell them not to go, but just give them information. I propose we update the text to:
 * "Animal rights campaigners continue to criticize the park because of the poor conditions in which animals are held as has been documented by former employees."
 * Ground Zero (talk) 18:09, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Normally I'm of the opinion that where there's smoke, there's fire. But in a case where rumors linger for seven or more years without ever being substantiated, and indeed in a case where repeated government inspections as well as several courtroom trials have never turned up anything untoward (as the Wikipedia article points out), I think a bit of skepticism is in order. If we must address this issue, something like "Animal rights campaigners continue to criticize the park due to allegations by former employees of poor living conditions for the animals" is better. But I continue to think that, much like the idea of "teaching the controversy" of intelligent design vs. evolution in U.S. public schools, the mere act of "advis[ing] readers" of both sides of the story and "let[ting] them make up their own minds", as well-meaning as it may be, actually serves to obfuscate the issue by implying that both sides ought to be given equal credence, when in fact the aggregate of hard evidence speaks pretty unanimously against one of them. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:22, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't agree that this is comparable to the hard science vs. something a bunch of guys wrote down thousands of years ago analogy. The 2016 NF Review article I linked convinces me that Marineland is an abusive situation, but I have to admit that they haven't been convicted of anything yet, so I guess I have to agree to remove the warning until Marineland is caught with more evidence, as I expect will happen. Ground Zero (talk) 20:29, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * As a practical matter, the enwiki article says that there are sometimes activists protesting on site, and that is something that some (perhaps only a few? It'd kind of depend upon the scale of the protests) travelers might want to know about.
 * Ground Zero, I'm skeptical about the hidden-camera thing in the NF article. The activists presented five minutes worth of footage.  It took them five months to collect it.  What happened in all the other hours and hours and hours and hours?  They apparently want you to believe that the few seconds shown is how things always are.  So the calf has been separated, but do you know whether that's typical, or if there was some special circumstance, or if it was temporary?  That feels rather like someone saying "Hey, those horrible people isolated the calf from the adults!" followed by "Hey, those horrible people aren't providing adequate veterinary care, which, by the way, requires isolating it from the adults briefly!"  WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:24, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * There seems to be consensus to delete; so, I deleted the message. TheTrolleyPole (talk) 19:03, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Another incident. Ground Zero (talk) 00:15, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Marineland has been convicted of three counts of animal cruelty. The facts are egregious. Marineland was told to improve conditions, and did nothing. As a traveller, I choose not visit animal-based attractions that involve cruely to animals. I think that readers should be given that information so they can make their own decision. I have added some text, and updated the listing. Ground Zero (talk) 18:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

 * Thank you. That sounds very disappointing and saddening to hear (it does make me question whether we should just remove it per Avoid negative reviews). -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 19:53, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I had thought of that, too, but given the discussion above, I did not feel comfortable doing so. It remains a popular destination, although I hope that these convictions force a change in how they treat animals. A better level of care is set by the Cochrane Polar Bear Habitat, which cares for three bears, one of which was born in Gold Coast, Australia. What is wrong with people that polar bears being born in Gold Coast? Ground Zero (talk) 22:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Sea World doesn't have the best reputation in a lot of aspects, but otherwise agreed. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 23:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Niagara Falls Honeymoon Certificate
I deleted the following statement from the article:
 * On your honeymoon? You can get an Official City of Niagara Falls Honeymoon Certificate from the Niagara Falls Tourism Office at 5400 Robinson St.

Info Niagara rather than the Niagara Falls Tourism Office is at 5400 Robinson Street. Info Niagara (apparently a tourist booking service) has a webpage saying that the "Official Niagara Falls Marriage Certificate" is available at Niagara Falls Tourism. A webpage on the Niagara Falls Tourism site says the "Niagara Falls Honeymoon (and Anniversary) Certificate" is available from the the Niagara Falls Ontario Tourism Information Centre located at 5355 Stanley Avenue. I don't feel confident about this information which was hard to find on the internet. I will try to contact the Niagara Falls Ontario Tourism Information Centre to confirm or deny. TheTrolleyPole (talk) 19:34, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Banner reshuffling
See Talk:Niagara Falls for reconsideration of banners. /Yvwv (talk) 11:31, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Banner
Title. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:29, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

 * 1, 2, 0 for me, but they're all good and this one doesn't really need to be replaced. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:52, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

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Map
I created a map of the region for this article. Let me know if you think it's too busy, but I thought it important to show major routes around the region. (WT-en) LtPowers 09:55, 4 November 2008 (EST)

 * Don't think it's too busy. My only comments would be the town/city dots are a little large (IMHO), and also the grey fade around the image is a little distracting. Agree it's useful to have the major routes shown though. (WT-en) Nrms 10:00, 4 November 2008 (EST)

 * Well most of the dots actually represent the developed areas fairly closely, although Niagara Falls and Buffalo are much larger and Warsaw, Eden, and Clarence are much smaller. =)  I can see how they might be a little distracting though.  The gray fading was an attempt to improve on what I did for my Finger Lakes map.  I'm still experimenting I guess.  (WT-en) LtPowers 10:15, 4 November 2008 (EST)

 * I don't mind it so much on the Finger Lakes map... Think the gradient is more subtle. I found my eye being drawn more to it on the Niagra map. I think I was also getting an optical illusion of the image not being flat - kind of as if I were looking at a globe or pages in a book. Experiementing is the only way we learn anything though :) (WT-en) Nrms 10:34, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Here's a new map (with the older one for comparison): 2 : Image:New York - Niagara Frontier region map 2.png (file no longer exists) 3 : Image:New York - Niagara Frontier region map 3.png - NEW (file no longer exists) Let me know what you think. (WT-en) LtPowers 09:15, 13 November 2008 (EST)

 * Hmmm... Not sure which I prefer actually :-\ Don't seem to be getting that optical illuseion effect with either this time. If you really want a fade effect, have you tried fading to white instead of grey? :) (WT-en) Nrms 17:21, 13 November 2008 (EST)
 * I've thought about it but I haven't tried it yet. Grey is our normal background color for maps, but maybe it's not clear that it's a background.  (WT-en) LtPowers 18:43, 13 November 2008 (EST)
 * The white didn't work so well (it had the same problem, only brighter!). Instead, I tried another method of making the fade effect, more similar to what I did with the Finger Lakes map.  It's now the third option above.  (WT-en) LtPowers 19:45, 13 November 2008 (EST)
 * I like N 3, but my opinion dont matter really,eh? Keeep smiling,(WT-en) ee  talk 19:47, 13 November 2008 (EST).
 * Everyone's opinion matters. This is a wiki, after all.  (WT-en) LtPowers 20:16, 13 November 2008 (EST)
 * 3 works for me as well :) (WT-en) Nrms 08:52, 18 November 2008 (EST)
 * Done. Thanks for the input. =)  (WT-en) LtPowers 09:25, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Northtowns/Southtowns
I noticed that Wikivoyage doesn't have an article for Erie County, but rather for the "Northtowns" and the "Southtowns". It's true that those two words are used and understood by the locals, but I'm not sure that parsing things that finely is necessary from a traveller's perspective (especially given that most of the articles don't exist yet).

And anyway, "Northtowns" and "Southtowns" are understood to refer to suburbs only, yet the City of Buffalo is grouped in with the Northtowns.

This is certainly a low-priority quibble given the workload I have here on WV from now through May, but I intend to revisit this issue later if the consensus to do so is favorable.

-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 08:31, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Given the size of the other counties, it didn't seem to make sense to have just a single article for Erie County. And I had to put Buffalo somewhere.  What do you propose as an alternative?  LtPowers (talk) 15:23, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I think having a single Erie County article would be fine. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:52, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Alternatively, we could have an Erie County article that is, in turn, divided into Northtowns, Southtowns, and City of Buffalo.

 * Again, this is all pretty trivial, but since I've been aware of it, it's kind of been stuck in my craw. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:35, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

 * It just seems like a lot compared with the other four counties, but it's hard to tell until they all get filled out. LtPowers (talk) 01:32, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Nine cities
Since all of the subregions have articles, I pared down this list to our standard of nine. I included Le Roy (New York) so that Genesee County isn't represented by just one community, but that leaves out other destinations like Clarence and Arcade. Also, I felt weird leaving out the Wyoming County seat (and largest village) of Warsaw (New York), but as far as I can tell there's just not a whole lot to do there. Not that Le Roy is much better, which is why I'm bringing it up here. I'd appreciate additional input on what cities should be on the list. LtPowers (talk) 15:08, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Looks good to me, in general. For a Wyoming County destination, if we're not going to go with Warsaw, I might be inclined to choose Castile over Wyoming. Castile is not quite as historic as Wyoming (if listings on the National Register of Historic Places is an accurate barometer), but it does contain Silver Lake State Park and serves as the gateway to Letchworth State Park.

 * As for Buffalo suburbs, I'd go with Tonawanda and North Tonawanda (jointly) rather than Hamburg. Hamburg does have its share of destinations, but it's still considered fairly "off the beaten path" even by Erie County residents. (Though it should be said that I'm a lifelong Northtowner, so perhaps I'm biased.) However, the Tonawandas have a gamut of attractions equal to Hamburg's, and also let's consider the type of attractions that each place has. Shopping malls, county fairgrounds, and racinos are nice, but there are dozens of cities in the United States that have those. Antique carousel museums, charming canalside downtowns, and restored silent movie palaces (N.T.'s Riviera Theatre) are far more unique and distinctive.

 * -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:19, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Regarding Castile, we can always add Silver Lake as an Other Destination. Regarding the Tonawandas, I feel it's crowding that area of the map a bit, and I'm reluctant to add two cities as one entry.  (I grow increasingly uncomfortable with my long-ago decision to do so on Pennsylvania.)  The Tonawandas may be a fine destination, but this region is littered with charming canalside downtowns.  =)  Also, remember that geographical diversity is a goal as well, and Hamburg is the only Southtown on the list currently.  LtPowers (talk) 18:02, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Niagara Peninsula

It's not the escarpment that modifies the climate, it's the lakes. Get away from the lakes and the escarpment does nothing for the climate -- no grapes in Georgetown!

Also, there are fruit trees in the Annapolis valley in Nova Scotia, and grapes in Prince Edward county (again, the area is surrounded by Lake Ontario).

Rename?
Hamilton was recently added as one of the Cities in this article. I'm good with that; I think Hamilton fits better in Niagara than it does in the GTA. However, technically, Hamilton isn't part of Niagara Region, so I'm wondering if it would make sense to rename this article to something else. From a geographical standpoint Niagara Peninsula would include Hamilton, although the expression isn't always used to include Hamilton, so it's not a perfect suggestion. Any better suggestions? Thanks, (WT-en) JYolkowski 23:14, 24 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Looks like no-one had any better ideas. So, any objections to me moving the page?  If not, I think I'll move the page next week.  If anyone does object, please let me know beforehand since it would involve a fair amount of work changing IsIn tags and the like, so I don't want to move the page and then have to undo it.  Cheers, (WT-en) JYolkowski 17:54, 2 December 2008 (EST)

 * WAIT-what about Golden Horsehoe or Niagara Escarptment? Those would fit!  (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee]  .T.A.L.K. 17:57, 2 December 2008 (EST).
 * Golden Horseshoe is the parent region for this region, so that won't work. The Niagara Escarpment idea is an interesting one.  The escarpment is the most significant geographical feature of the City of Hamilton and Niagara Region and I do like the idea of naming the article after the escarpment.  The only problem is to find an article title that includes Hamilton and Niagara and not the rest of "Escarpment Country" (when I Googled that phrase, the first few hits were for places like Milton, Caledon, etc. so it may require some thought to come up with a title that fits).  (WT-en) JYolkowski 18:21, 2 December 2008 (EST)
 * i dont see the problem with escarpment...lol...watchin too much eweather network-they mention it lots. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee]  .T.A.L.K. 18:29, 2 December 2008 (EST)
 * Still trying to come up with a good escarpment-related title; if I think of something I'll post it here. Another idea that I had was Hamilton-Niagara; that might work.  Doing some digging, I also thought of Lincolnshire, which is a perfect fit geographically, but I don't think the term's been used for 100 years so it would be a poor choice for a travel guide.  (WT-en) JYolkowski 18:25, 3 December 2008 (EST)

 * What's wrong with just Niagara Escarpment I still don't see any problems. Includes Hamilton, etc.  (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee]  .T.A.L.K. 18:32, 3 December 2008 (EST).
 * The Niagara Escarpment area would also include Milton, Halton Hills, Caledon, the Bruce Peninsula, etc. (WT-en) JYolkowski 20:01, 4 December 2008 (EST)

Again-but, this is WT, you can modify things. It does not have the be the official one. We can make sure it doesnt include the GTA! I didnt think parts of it would. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 20:04, 4 December 2008 (EST).
 * True, but the traveller comes first, and we don't want to confuse them. (WT-en) JYolkowski 15:39, 7 December 2008 (EST)

That is what I mean by that. Otherwise Vatican city would be its own place and UBC would be a seperate area. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 16:15, 7 December 2008 (EST).

Pruning the "Cities" section
Avoid long lists says that we try to keep the "Cities" section of region articles to 7±2 entries, for an allowable maximum of 9 total. I'm familiar enough with the Niagara Peninsula to know that there aren't 13 cities there that absolutely need to be linked to in that section (especially with four of them being redlinked), so let's do some pruning. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:03, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it is a bottom-tier region, so the maximum of nine does not apply; if there are more than 9 articles, we have to go ahead and list them all. But as it so happens, there are exactly 9 city articles under this region, so I just removed the red links to leave those 9. Texugo (talk) 01:39, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Whoops, I reverted without checking for a discussion. Sorry.  I don't see a problem with redlinks in a bottom-level region article.  Powers (talk) 17:08, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know about this area, but I very often remove red links from bottom-level regions whose blue links already exceed nine, unless there is a clear reason to think we really need articles for them. Very often such red links in already-long lists just represent a bunch of small villages that are probably better redirected or have nothing to cover, and while the 7+-2 rule doesn't apply in the sense that we are bound to list all existing destination articles in their lowest region, I think we are still bound to minimize long lists to the extent possible, which I believe to mean that we shouldn't extend lists beyond 9 by adding questionable and useless red links unless there is a really good reason to. Texugo (talk) 18:26, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I've never heard of Fonthill or Wainfleet, but Thorold and Pelham are significant communities with traveler amenities. (Doing some research, it appears Fonthill is a bedroom community within the town of Pelham, while Wainfleet is a rural town on Lake Erie.)  Powers (talk) 19:01, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Pelham as a "significant communit[y] with traveler amenities" is a stretch, I think. My list would be: Niagara Falls, Niagara-on-the-Lake, St. Catharines, Fort Erie, Welland, Port Colborne, maybe Grimsby for purely geographic purposes. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:32, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * On second look, it appears we treat Hamilton as part of the Niagara Peninsula, which is only partially accurate in a strict geographic sense and completely inaccurate from a travellers' perspective. On top of restructuring Niagara Peninsula, what also should happen is that Golden Horseshoe's subdistricting scheme should be redone: there should be a Greater Toronto Area extending as far west as Burlington, a Niagara Peninsula that's coterminous with the Niagara Regional Municipality, and a third district centered on Hamilton and suburbs, including Waterdown (Hamilton-Wentworth is a possible name, though it's been out of official use since 2001). -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Powers and AndreCarrotflower, either of you — while you're at it, and if you're knowledgeable about it, neighboring Southwestern Ontario is an even bigger mess. It has been done by counties so far - 9 of them have already been created, many of them basically empty, and at least 5 more would have to be created to be able to properly continue with this breakdown scheme for proper placement of the remaining 8 city articles which are still direct children of Southwestern Ontario. If you know of some way to break the Southwestern Ontario area into a more manageable handful of regions instead of 14+ county articles, it would be much appreciated. There are only 42 destinations to be covered, so it seems to me like 3-5 regions would be ideal. Texugo (talk) 22:38, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Hamilton is in an awkward position as some (mostly transit planners) are trying to pull it into the "Greater Toronto-Hamilton Area (GTHA)" on the basis that "GO Transit" commuter trains run from Hamilton to Oshawa. It is its own city (and is long-distance to TO), but it just might be economically closer to Toronto than Niagara because Toronto has (unfortunately) sprawled so far out of control. If Hamilton gets its own region, Burlington is closer to Hamilton than to Toronto (much like Whitby is closer to Oshawa than to Toronto). K7L (talk) 14:58, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * K7L - Re: Burlington, that's exactly what I was going to say. Case in point: the Royal Botanical Gardens, which is widely cited as one of Hamilton's premier tourist destinations despite the fact that it's technically located in Burlington. That opens up a whole other can of worms, though, and one that's probably better answered by someone with more knowledge of Southern Ontario than myself, namely where to draw the boundary between Greater Toronto Area and any proposed Hamilton-centric region. What about Oakville, which at the end of the day is not much different than Burlington? It seems that the decision would be very much an arbitrary one and, if locals get involved, potentially the subject of endless circling debate. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Pelham has at least one motel and several restaurants, along with a few activities and attractions. Seems like more than enough for an article.  Powers (talk) 20:14, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * A motel, a few restaurants, and a few attractions mean Pelham could carry its own article if someone decided to create one for it; whether it belongs in Niagara Peninsula is another matter entirely. There's no policy that says every single town in a region (bottom-level or otherwise) has to be put in the Cities section, and the fact remains that long, undifferentiated lists look ugly regardless of whether loopholes in policy allow for them in certain cases. That Pelham is currently a redlink is the icing on the cake. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:52, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Every destination article must be linked from the level directly above. That's bedrock policy.  "Every city or other destination article should be listed in at least one region article, as it should be possible to navigate through the hierarchy to each and every destination article on the site."  That's not a loophole.  Powers (talk) 23:38, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Fine, but Pelham is not a destination article. It's a redlink. And Niagara Peninsula is still a big, ugly, Yellow Pagey list. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:50, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Chances are Fonthill could be removed, eventually making it a redirect to Pelham. Wainfleet, I don't know about.  If we remove it, it leaves an entire geographical section of the peninsula without a place in the hierarchy.  If I may, if 13 is too big, and 9 presumably isn't, is 10 too big?  11?  12?  Powers (talk) 00:39, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

 * Rather than removing redlinked cities like Fonthill and Pelham from the cities list, should they be listed as part of Welland ie "Welland (includes Fonthill and Pelham)", and "St. Catharines (includes Thorold)". That way people looking for these places might be able to find info about them. Cpfan776 (talk) 13:59, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

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Phone numbers
I am formatting all the phone numbers in this article to meet the Wiktiravel style guideline. Format example: +227 20 732641. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:13, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

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New canal?
Something to watch, though it will not have an effect soon.
 * Nicaragua gives Chinese firm contract to build alternative to Panama Canal

"Project will reinforce China's growing influence on global trade and weaken US dominance over a key shipping route" Hmmmm ... Pashley (talk) 19:47, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

usable?
Can this article be considered usable already or does that depend more on the content of the regions / cities / other destinations this article links to?
 * Country guide status says that a usable country article:
 * Has links to the country's major cities and other destinations (usable status or better), a valid regional structure, and a Get in section describing all of the typical ways to get there. Information about the country's currency, language, cuisine, and culture is included. At least the most prominent attraction is identified with directions.
 * So it's not there yet, as many of the linked destinations are still at outline status... Texugo (talk) 12:57, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Also note that the See section should not be just another list of the same cities and other destinations already listed in those sections above. Texugo (talk) 13:06, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Distances
Providing big charts with distances for everything is not something we usually do, so I'm putting this here below. Texugo (talk) 13:02, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

(in kilometers)

Regions map
I don't know where the map is from, but I can tell from experience that it is misleading when it comes to the roads... the road from Managua to Rama (west of Bluefields, not on the map) is in an excellent state and the only noteworthy "interoceanic" (the journey onwards to Bluefields would be by boat, Rama is one of the most important Carribbean ports of Nicaragua) rode that side of the country. looking at the map one would be even more inclined to fly to Bluefields than one is already... and miss the best part ;-)141.30.210.129 21:35, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

 * User:Saqib is usually the go-to guy for maps here. You may want to post to User talk:Saqib and explain what changes you'd like him to make. I know he's quite busy lately, though, so be patient. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:18, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I've added road to Rama. --Saqib (talk) 04:52, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I unfortunately don't see it in the article141.30.210.129 12:25, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that Saqib means that he has added (in yellow) a road from Juigalpa to Bluefields via Rama. It may be that this road is mystical since, in my day it was necessary to travel down the Escondido river by boat from Rama to Bluefields via Mahogany. You may not be able to view the new map because your browser (or ISP) is serving you an older, cached version. Try forcing a refresh of the page in your browser. (In Firefox, you do this by hitting three keys simultaneously: [Shift] + [Ctrl] + [R]...)
 * If you're interested, Saqib, this page has further background information.
 * PS: Thanks for all the terrific edits you're making 141.30.210.129 - it would be great if you registered an account! --W. Frankemailtalk 12:44, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * maybe I wasn't clear: the road still stops at Rama, but the map only shows one road to Nueva Guina (and for some misterious reason a road that connects Nicaragua and Costa Rica east of the lake) there is however supposedly a road (more along the lines of a straight section of no trees in the jungle than any real tarred road I suppose) from Rama to Pearl Lagoon now 141.30.210.129 13:29, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * well I stand corrected in the fact that yes, there is indeed a road (btw. no need removing the road crossing the border they built a bridge which will be actually open for traffic quite soon) (it has already been inaugurated) but not in the preview image. you'd have to click on it;-) why I don't know. But if it is at all possible making the road stop at El Rama would imho better reflect reality.141.30.210.129 13:32, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Variant of English
Well I still am kind of new here so I don't know the official policy exactly, but the question of whether to adhere to the American or rather the British variant of spelling has arisen and I think it would be best to find some form of consensus. The country as a whole never was an official colony of either the United Kingdom nor the United States, however the East was a protectorate of the British for more then three hundred years and some people there still speak Caribbean Creole English (although I don't think it would be advisable to write articles for the English wikivoyage in Creole English, as some argue it is an entirely different language from standard English) however there are hardly any native English speakers in the west or center of the country, which is culturally dominant and more densely populated. Besides that American influence has been strong (there was an US intervention in the 20s and 30s) and is culturally strong still (you can get Telemundo and HBO and Friends with subtitles) so I think there are good arguments for using American English as well as British English, but then again I don't want to ga against any established policy. But the issue has arisen and I think it should be adressed and consensus should be found. all the best wishes141.30.210.129 19:39, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * As of today I've understood most of Latin America has far stronger connections to the US than to the UK (dollars are widely used, people have immigrated to the US and keep contact to family and friends, they're geographically closer etc.). ϒpsilon (talk) 20:03, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * So do we have consensus to use standard American spelling and grammar for all articles concerning Nicaragua or will there be an exception for Caribbean destinations?141.30.210.129 13:27, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

respect section
I don't know where a respect section belongs, but one thing you hear very frequently in Nicaragua is that cheles (westerners, whites) smell bad and Nicaraguans who are usually very sharp-dressed and clean (especially considering their economic situation) consider this either extremely funny or extremely rude depending on the proximity of the olfactory offense. there are some other things I could think of (how you flag down a cab, Nicaraguans pointing somewhere with their lips....) but imho this is the most egregious.141.30.210.129 13:45, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Seven digit phone numbers in Nicaragua
We still have some seven digit phone numbers in our articles on Nicaragua (some even lack the country code which is +505 and simply added to the phone number). Since at least 2011 seven digit numbers are out of use and replaced by eight digit numbers starting with 8 (mobile) or 2 (landline). However in recent years there have also been some eight digit mobile numbers starting in numbers other than 8. I know that many businesses (even those active in tourism) are notoriously bad with having up to date websites, but if you come across a seven digit phone number in a listing for a business in Nicaragua, please check with their website what the new number is. Best wishes Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:52, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Nicaragua Expedition
So it seems for the first time since I have been a regular editor on Wikivoyage there are actually editors with more or less steady contributions who are currently or have been to Nicaragua besides my humble self. Unfortunately, much of Nicaragua is still inadequately covered and online research is hard as many hotels and restaurants (almost all except backpacker hostels and the most expensive price category) don't have websites and if they do they are often sorely lacking, especially in the English department. However, the prose of our existing articles as well as several other aspects can do with a polishing. Our first milestone - a featured Nicaragua article will come live soon and I hope we will be able to get to a point where Nicaragua can be promoted to "guide" status and no major destinations redlink or are bare outlines. User:Justvagabonding and User:Vmenkov, you seem to have first hand knowledge of many places in Nicaragua, what do you say? Also help from an English native speaker with the tone style and prose would be much appreciated as I know my sentences can get long and confusing at times... Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:29, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

 * Myself, I am a bit surprised how few active editor Wikivoyage seems to have. On Wikpedia, whichever article you edit, you soon will encounter someone else who works on it, and usually it's different people working on different articles. On Wikivoyage, whatever part of the world I am editing an article on, it seems that I will see either User:Hobbitschuster or User:Ikan_Kekek contributing; sometimes I have the feeling that the two of you are are nearly the only people running this site :-) (I know that in reality there are a lot more contributors, but I guess they are working on articles about places on which I know nothing.) Talking about Nicaragua, I've been to a few places there, and am trying to improve a few articles with some useful tidbits of information, but I don't claim any kind of wide-reaching knowledge on the country to contribute in a major way. -- Vmenkov (talk) 00:04, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

 * I just do a lot of recent changes patrols and copy editing. I have never been further south than Miami in the Americas, though I've visited somewhat extensively in tropical and equatorial countries of Asia. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:07, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

 * I think most contributors have their specialized geographic areas of the world, which frequently overlap. Latin America and Africa seem to get the least attention, which is something that should change. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:46, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Judging from the (lack of ) activity on my watch list during the Super Bowl (by the way, what a game) our writer base does seem to skew towards those that are either asleep or in front of some screen during this game. As for the Latin American issue... I fear a lot of it has to do with the current state of es-WV which is really not that good considering the amount of Spanish speakers in the world. We do sometimes translate (part of) articles from other language versions, but unfortunately es-WV is rarely a good place to go for source material. I don't know why that is, but there should be an effort to change this. Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:08, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

 * Hi guys, sorry for getting to this a little late. I think you are right User:Hobbitschuster, we don't have enough contributors to make a full expedition. I am pleased to contribute as much as I can, however at this stage I have only been to a couple of places in Nicaragua and it doesn't seem like many other WV's have either. I will be back in Nica soon however (currently in Costa buying a moto) so when im back I will be sure to keep updating.  --Justvagabonding (talk) 23:04, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

So I did some file uploading on commons...
First of all, I don't really know all that much about how Commons works so if I did something wrong (e.g. added files to the wrong category) please do alert me. Anyway most of the files I have uploaded in this most recent round are of places in Nicaragua and given that a destination in said country will soon be featured and at least one of the images used there was deleted from commons, you might wish to have a look. All the best. Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:48, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * One can't put photos with timestamps into a travel guide. They are so ugly... --Alexander (talk) 16:36, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Are you proposing that we change our image policy to disallow them? Peter Chastain (talk) 19:09, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I do not propose anything. I am just saying that it is a shame when an active contributor uploads photos with timestamps. It is so easy to switch them off, once and forever. --Alexander (talk) 19:27, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * If the timestamps are correct, HS took the Nicaraguan photos long before he started contributing here. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:42, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, and that's fine, but I would still refrain from uploading such photos unless they are absolutely unique. --Alexander (talk) 21:31, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The more the merrier, I say. It's unfortunate they're timestamped, but if we have a dearth of photos in some area, they're better than nothing. Powers (talk) 22:12, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * List the photos that are worth adding to articles, I will attempt to paint out the timestamps or if that does not work simply crop the images. --Traveler100 (talk) 22:15, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * AFAIK, it isn't verboten to use timestamps on photos? Obviously aesthetically it would be preferable without them, but ultimately it is just one factor among many to evaluate. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:10, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

The photos were indeed taken before I had any knowledge of WV. I would probably not take them with timestamps today, but given that some of their subjects have no photos in commons whatsoever, I figured we could edit them in a way that the timestamp is not visible if need be. And before you ask, I have no idea how you do that. Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:21, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I believe that you paste towards the top of the File: description page, and wait for someone to remove the timestamps for you.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:23, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Cities listed in the Nicaragua article
Hi

I recently started a talk page thread on the Nicaragua page concerning which cities should be listed. Your input - any input - would be very welcome; currently I would have to go ahead unilaterally which is not exactly desirable. Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:59, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

The cities listed
They seem to be just a random assortment of the first nine cities anybody thought of, neither listing the most important or interesting cities nor fairly representing all major regions. So I'll try to make another list, how about: If you think one of those towns or cities should be replaced by another, please let me know Hobbitschuster (talk) 02:13, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Managua (goes without saying, despite its 1980s L.A. levels of traffic nightmare and lack of a center)
 * Granada (goes without saying)
 * León (like Granada)
 * Masaya (a suburb of Managua in some regards, it still has its own charms with the artisan market and easy access to the pueblos blancos)
 * Bluefields (a city on the Caribbean is necessary and this is the clear candidate as well as a major travel hub)
 * San Carlos (not necessarily on its own strength but for its function as the gateway to the Rio San Juan region)
 * Estelí (major northern city, coffee culture, good starting point for e.g. cañón de Somoto)
 * San Juan del Sur (surfer town, party mecca, anchoring point for cruises)

 * I felt exactly the same. The existing list does seem arbitrary and yours makes a lot more sense to me (I was surprised not to see San Juan del Sur). That said I'm not sure how significant Jinotega is and how it fares against San Carlos but I say go for it. Jdlrobson (talk) 21:59, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

 * I don't think I've ever been to Jinotega and I have spent quite some time in San Carlos, but we already have a major city in the Northern Highlands (Estelí) whereas we do not have any city from the Rio San Juan region unless we have San Carlos there. The next step would be to come up with god blurbs for those places. Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:04, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Then I think you should just go ahead and edit! It seems with a bit of rewording you have good blurbs for all of them.

Suggested:
 * Managua - Capital leveled by a 1972 earthquake and decried as bland, slowly coming into its own again
 * Granada - colonial beauty, favorite with expats
 * León - age old rival of Granada, famous for leftist politics and its cathedral
 * Masaya - charming suburb of Managua with artisan market and easy access to the pueblos blancos
 * Bluefields - city on the carribean coast and major travel hub
 * San Carlos - gateway to the Rio San Juan region
 * Estelí - sip coffee and use as a base for various excurions including cañón de Somoto
 * San Juan del Sur - surfer town, party mecca and an anchoring point for cruises around the Pacific

Jdlrobson (talk) 15:49, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

 * I just found that I only listed eight cities. Any suggestion on a ninth? Also; if you want to shine up the blurbs, be my guest. Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:04, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Fare hike for buses in Nicaragua
The semi regular fare hike is upon us again. La Prensa (the main opposition newspaper) has a handy graphic as well showing which buses cost how much under the new prices. We should update articles accordingly if possible. Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:33, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Nicaraguans misspelling Spanish
I think it is rather relevant for travelers (especially those with limited Spanish or who learned it mostly from books) to know that Nicaraguans - even in big cities - frequently misspell words, choosing v/b s/z/c and silent h seemingly at random so that "aver" can mean "haber" or "a ver". Similarly the boundaries between words are not always well known and the "swallowed s" is not always written. This is usually not a problem for people familiar with (Nicaraguan) Spanish pronunciation, but if you are looking for the sign "hay nacatamales" mentioned in the eat section, you may well find it an "ay nacatamale" sign instead. Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:56, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Nicaragua warning box
An IP editor added some information on the recent protests to the "stay safe" section and I added a warningbox to the top. Please edit for tone, clarity, flow, fairness and so on and so forth. I hope we can soon remove the warningbox... Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:14, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Ikan Kekek has done some light copy-editing, anybody else wanna weigh in? Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:01, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Boaco department
Just for the record, it currently matters little, but should Boaco Department be part of Rio San Juan Region or Northern Highlands (Nicaragua)? I think either is fine, but we currently do not list any city or other POI inside said department and I fear it will be some time before we will... Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:29, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Visa requirements
The list of visa-free countries should be revised and updated. Venezuela now requires a visa and it can take 2-3 months to process. The list of countries that do not require a visa does not match the map. A list of countries that get a visa upon arrival should be added. Note should be made for those countries that whose citizens would get a visa upon arrival if they already have a US/EU/Schengen visa.

The US embassy is mostly closed as of November 2018, with people being directed for most consular work to Costa Rica. Is this something that should be mentioned in the article? Eni2dad (talk) 13:14, 10 November 2018 (UTC) Enidad2
 * Please plunge forward. The US embassy thing is probably more of an issue for Nicaraguans than US visitors (the former have a much harder time getting to Costa Rica than the latter), but it might still bear mentioning. Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:50, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Current status?
Our warning box text sounds like things are still fairly dire, but another travel site has After falling from the brink of a tourism boom, Nicaragua is ready to welcome the world back. Does anyone have current info? Pashley (talk) 09:58, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I think the UK Foreign Office has current information. They update their website regularly and have a network of embassies, high commissions and consulates providing them information. I updated this warning last week (see the "Information last updated" line in the box) based on information from them. I have never heard of Matadornetwork.com. How often is their website updated? What are their sources? Why would we trust them more than the UK FO? Ground Zero (talk) 11:55, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The Nicaraguan government is playing a disingenuous double game. On the one hand, they try to assure the world that whatever "crisis" there may have been is over and tourism is "back". On the other hand, they keep throwing people into jail on "terrorism" charges at a rate that would make some Middle Eastern countries blush. Of course the underlying issue has not been resolved either way. While calm might hold while you are there, it has to be emphasized in the strongest terms, that everything you say in Spanish can land you in hot water and the government is paranoid about (foreign) journalists or anything approaching journalists in this modern day and age. Plus if and when the protests start again (and the government starts shooting at them again) the bullets still won't care whom they are "meant for". Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:41, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * From The Guardian today:
 * "Nicaragua is closer to “total economic chaos” and a new civil war than ever before, a supreme court judge has warned.... Rafael Solís accused Ortega of transforming the Central American country into “a state of terror”.... The judge – a longtime associate of the 73-year-old Sandinista – claimed peaceful protests had been repressed “with bloodshed and fire” and heavily armed paramilitaries unleashed to sow fear."
 * Ground Zero (talk) 22:44, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Currency, time and spelling conventions
Below is a proposed infobox to let readers know which formatting conventions to use in Wikivoyage articles. Do you agree with these proposals? If you have direct knowledge of what is most commonly used in the country, please let us know. Ground Zero (talk) 18:16, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Moved to the top of this page. Ground Zero (talk) 04:39, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Nice

I think this article needs to be summarized and squeezed into Nice. --(WT-en) Evan 09:48, 9 Dec 2003 (PST)

I agree. While airports sometimes end up falling under the "would you spend the night there?" category, I'd prefere to imagine that they are not actually destinations. A lot of this can be broken up and added to Nice. Good info tho. (WT-en) Majnoona

I just realized there is no Nice yet! I'm just going to move this there then... most of the info is really a good start for a Nice article...(WT-en) Majnoona

Well, I'm considering going to Nice in late-August. I'll be happy to add whatever I come across to the article. But since it's really barren, if anybody who knows anything about Nice could add it before I depart, that'd be really helpful. -- Nils

Nice is not to be missed tourist trap and all. Great art museum right near the bus station. Then there are graet museunms dedicated to Chagall, Matisse, Cherat etc. Some great Italian food. Hotel onbbies on the Rue d'Anglaise to stroll in. Take a bus, don't drive, to surrounding towns to see some great estates, Eugenie Rothschild, etc and good small museums, Meight etc.(spelling throughout article)

Take the train for an afternoon at St. Tropez. The Annunciato is amazing, small and wonderful. Actually, you take a train and either boat or bust to get to St. Tropez.

Crime
I don't agree with what's written about criminality. I know the city very well (I live in Nice) and you can easyly stay safe, you just have to be careful and respect some security advice as driving with your car's doors locked. The truth is criminality was a big problem a few years ago, but authorities made a strong effort to stop it and they quite succeed. (WT-en) Julien 03:24, 3 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Well, then edit the paragraph accordingly. But remember, remarks about safety in Wikivoyage are not about giving a city a bad image but about pointing travellers to existing problems in order to escape them. --(WT-en) Túrelio 09:56, 3 June 2006 (EDT)

 * I know what remarks about safety are made for, but I sill think this is exagerated in this article. But Nice is my home town, so my point of view may be biased, therfore before editing the paragraph I'd like to know what's the others wikivoyagers' feeling about that. (WT-en) Julien 05:04, 4 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Well, I was in Nice in April this year for a medical conference and I did NOT experience any problem of that kind in the city (except of some streets blocked due to construction work for the new tram, but of course that's not criminal ;-) ). So, I have no objections against changing that paragraph. --(WT-en) Túrelio 14:36, 4 June 2006 (EDT)
 * By the way, (WT-en) Julien, if you know about churches in Nice, could you kindly check whether the catholic (and, if available, also the protestant) main church of Nice is among those listed in ? When that is not the case, would you mind to add that information, including location and mass times? Thank you. --(WT-en) Túrelio 14:44, 4 June 2006 (EDT)
 * So I've changed the crime sections and I did add information about churches in the city. Regards. (WT-en) Julien 09:58, 12 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Well done. Thanks. --(WT-en) Túrelio 02:43, 13 June 2006 (EDT)

It is doubtful basis of evidence to say that because during a few days stay nothing "criminal" happened to you, therefore the city is "safe". I had my wallet lifted on a bus - the police station towards later evening was crowded with victims and the policeman said this happened like this every day. May not have happened to you but it is commonplace hazard. Last week my neighbour disturbed two burglars trying to lever open the front door of my apartment. Any regular reading of the daily Nice Matin will provide you with a broader basis of evidence than your own personal experience. Talk with anyone on the receiving end of criminality and your complacency will be shaken. "Much worse than Paris, and that is bad enough!" I was told. If you take suitable precautions, it will just happen to someone else instead.

Honeymoon
I've planned my honeymoon for early April. We are spending a week in Nice and a week in Venice. If anyone has any advice or recommendations, I would love to hear them. We are spending the next few months learning a bit of French too. I've heard that making an effort to speak the language can often lead to more hospitable attitudes.

Also, I've booked the Suisse - Hotels Ocre et Azur for our stay. Any comments?

Cheap eat
We can do better than McDonald's no?

Well there's always Socca - a hot thick pancake-type traditional Nicois dish made from chickpea flour, cut in slices and served very hot. Not expensive and fills a gap mid day

Eat
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1 September 2011: Having eaten at L'Occitanie this evening, this section is in urgent need of update. I'm English, but I work in France (Paris) on a frequent basis, I'm a Francophile at heart, and I speak passable French. Referring anyone to the above restaurant is at best misleading and at worst would spoil someone's evening. It's utterly devoid of any form of atmosphere, (in fact, it's closer in style to a cheap cafe than a restaurant), the staff are clearly disinterested in anyone not French, the better tables are mysteriously "plein" if you have an English accent, and the food, whilst palatable, was completely unremarkable. You should also be prepared for your dining partner to receive their courses at different times to you. The wine, for which the choice was limited to colour, was at least acceptable. This was bad enough that we left after the main course and went elsewhere for dessert and coffee. Don't be misled into making the trek to this very ordinary, unfriendly restaurant. —The preceding comment was added by 83.206.134.129 (talk • contribs)
 * In category 'Eat' I added a list of what to eat in Nice similar to what was does in Singapore. Nice is a 'foodie' city with many choices. Is this guide food oriented or restaurant oriented or a mix? I prefer a mix. This gives the reader a guide of food specialties that can be found in many places. Restaurant entries give the reader a selection of what can be found at only one particular restaurant. —The preceding comment was added by ParisYank (talk • contribs)
 * Including a section on local specialties is a great idea and absolutely helpful to readers. Some of what's listed isn't really so much Niçois but Provençal, though, so it's possible to link to Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur for readers to get additional information, although that section might itself be tweaked to make the specialties more visible at a glance, etc. I think that when a city or region has local specialties or if there are good general remarks to make about the food scene in a given place, it's best to put those at the beginning of the "Eat" section, as in this article, and if the section is long enough, one or more separate subheadings are appropriate. Looking at the "Eat" section of some star articles might inspire you. Most of the star city articles for cities big enough to have their own specialties seem to be districted (divided into separate articles for each neighborhood), but have a look at Hiroshima and Okayama. Also trawl through the "Eat" sections of guide articles such as Bergen, Chengdu, Cuzco, Da_Nang (just going alphabetically and looking at articles of non-districted cities). The "Eat" sections of districted cities on the lists of star and guide articles may also inspire you. They aren't normally supposed to have complete listings for any restaurant but can sometimes go on at some length about local specialties and the local food scene generally, as you'll see in Singapore, Chicago, San Francisco, etc. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:08, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, thank you. The list of 'what to eat' is longer than I first intended and certainly parts duplicated in Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur and Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur. I had not intended #Eat to be final but a work in progress so I appreciate suggestions. #Eat sections of star articles are helpful. I will continue to work on Nice before starting an update of Nice as that section needs help. #Buy seems to have the same dilemma, i.e., 'what to buy' seems as important as 'where to buy.' ParisYank (talk) 10:00, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Not a dilemma, in my opinion. Provide all the information you think could be useful to a visitor. If some of it applies more generally to the region, it can always be moved later. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:27, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

To Guide
I think this article is almost a Guide now. What gives me pause are passages like this:

"Nice is also known for several museums, entry to most of which (as of July 2008) is free."

"All shops are now allowed to open every Sunday and, as of November 2010, at least the following had started to open every Sunday: H&M, Zara, Fnac, Bershka, Celio, Virgin Megastore, and Spar. Some locations of Galleries Lafayette are now open several Sundays each month but not all of them, the same goes for Nice Etoile Shopping Centre.

Postcards (as many other things) vary greatly in price. Do some comparison shopping as the price range is between 20 cents and €1 for a normal postcard. Typically they will set you back 25 cents each (correct at June-2009)." [my bolding]

To anyone who's in Nice now or was there recently: Please update these things.

The other thing that sticks out to me is the relative lack of specific templated listings in the "Buy" section. It would be helpful to visitors to have a separate listing for Galleries Lafayette, for example, listing the addresses of the locations and their opening hours. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:34, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * "Buy" section needs a big update. I find this section oriented to department stores that tend to have the same brands no matter which city. OK there should be a minor list of department stores but I propose listing items and boutiques that are specifically oriented to Nice and the Riviera such as perfumes, Provence table cloths and other unique items oriented to visitors, i.e., things including gift-oriented stuff. Certainly any new item will be in List format. ParisYank (talk) 17:06, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article?
In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:30, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I prefer this new proposed banner, because it is framed better. Texugo (talk) 02:38, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I prefer the current banner because I prefer the closer look at the buildings with red-tiled roofs. I wouldn't be unhappy with the change if others prefer the new banner, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:04, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The existing banner is far more interesting. Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:42, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Ahem... PrinceGloria (talk)

 * I'm not so sure I don't like the uniform haziness of the old banner better than the new version of it. However, either way, I prefer the current banner. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:47, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I vote for the current banner because the colors are better, and it focuses on three of the main attractions of the city: the sea, the old town and the market. Fabimaru (talk) 17:18, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Scooter - motorbike
Is it particularly dangerous to drive scooters in Nice? --Erik den yngre (talk) 11:35, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Not really. At least is it not dangerous to drive a bike there. Maybe more than countries in the North where people drive more respectfully. I will remove this statement. - Fabimaru (talk) 12:05, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Nichada thani

So is this the correct name for this destination? With the lower case thani? Nothing links here and I'm wondering where it fits into our Project:What is an article?. Thanks (WT-en) Majnoona 08:08, 29 March 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Nicosia

New crossing soon?
NICOSIA, March 9, 2007 (AFP) - A concrete wall in Nicosia symbolising the decades-old Cyprus conflict was demolished by Greek Cypriots early on Friday to make way for a crossing point in the heart of the world's last divided capital.

The move was welcomed by the Turkish Cypriots and by the United Nations, whose troops have for decades patrolled a buffer zone between the two sides. Ledra Street, a pedestrian shopping area inside the Venetian walls of the old city, was cordoned off late on Thursday and demolition teams dismantled the barrier between the Greek Cypriot south and the Turkish occupied north.

"This is a show of goodwill on our side to contribute positively to opening Ledra Street," Cypriot government spokesman Christodoulos Pashardes said. The surprise move came four years after the opening of an initial crossing that allowed unprecedented movement across the UN-patrolled buffer zone for the first time in three decades. Nicosia's first woman mayor, Eleni Mavrou, said "the important thing now is for Ledra to open, to have communication and the city to come to life."

But Parshardes said people could not start crossing as long as Turkish troops remain in the northern sector of Nicosia. "This doesn't mean Ledra is open yet."

Cyprus has been divided along ethnic lines since 1974, when Turkey seized its northern third in response to an Athens-engineered Greek Cypriot coup in Nicosia aimed at uniting the island with Greece. Turkey, which still maintains around 42,500 troops in northern Cyprus, had no immediate reaction to the wall coming down. Pashardes said the government had invited the Turkish Cypriots to a dialogue to discuss outstanding issues. "That is if they really want Ledra Street to be opened."

Cypriot President Tassos Papadopoulos, speaking in Brussels, said "the obstacle is not the wall but the Turkish troops. If the troops pull back and allow the UN to check for landmines, as we believe there are, then the crossing can open, but troops must withdraw." Opposing troops are at their closest distance in Ledra, and the government would like to see Turkish and Cypriot National Guard troops pull back some 100 metres (yards) from their present positions, which separate them by only about 50 metres. House of Representatives Speaker Demetris Christofias, who is acting president while Papodopoulos is out of the country, said "the National Guard are fully prepared to move back. "If the other side ... responds then it will happen soon; if not, it won't," he added.

Ferdi Sabit Soyer, prime minister of the breakaway Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, welcomed the demolition as a "positive development." He said the administration of his statelet, recognised only by Turkey, would soon begin work on opening up a passage in the area.

The UN chief of mission, Michael Moller, said the demolition represents a "very welcome and positive contribution of great symbolic significance. "Both in efforts to open a crossing point at this historic location and to create a positive atmosphere in which a search for a comprehensive settlement can flourish," he said in a statement. The UN peacekeeping force in Cyprus (UNFICYP) is "assisting both sides with practical arrangements to move this much anticipated process forward" and "expedite progress," Moller said.

Before a normal crossing point can operate, crumbling buildings will need to be shored up, and the area will have to be swept for landmines. "Once the sides are in agreement as to the way ahead, UNFICYP will immediately move, with EU funded support, to ensure the area's overall safety," said Moller. A makeshift partition has replaced the Ledra Street wall until there is mutual agreement on the way forward.

UNFICYP estimated it would take five to six weeks to make a viable crossing at Ledra once both sides are agreed. A crossing in the area had been mooted in 2005, but a dispute over an elevated walkway erected by the Turkish Cypriot side brought a halt to proceedings until it was dismantled in January. Ledra Street would be the sixth crossing point across the divide since April 2003, when the border was opened.

Ledra Street is where barricades were first erected in Nicosia during intercommunal violence that flared in 1963. A year later, UN peacekeeping troops arrived on the island and have remained ever since. Cyprus joined the EU as a divided island in May 2004 but there has been no major progress in reunification despite UN-sponsored talks between Papadopoulos and Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat in July 2006. 202.184.114.253 08:52, 9 March 2007 (EST)

 * The new crossing may come - or it may not. At the moment there is no real way of knowing. This tit-for-tat blame game has been going on for quite a while now, and there is no way of knowing if and when it will stop. But if Ledra Street is opened, its sure to be posted here. (WT-en) Travelbird 15:31, 9 March 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Nicosia district (South)

I dont see the point of subdividing the city again here, as this page already refers to Nicosia district (South).

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Talk:Niger

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Niger/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.

Bridge on Niger
In Niamey, walking across the only bridge over Niger river is considered risky even by the locals, and therefore should be avoided.

Could you elaborate? Didn't cross the bridge on foot myself, but have no idea why would it be risky...

Also please see this photo. People on the photo does not seem to be scared ;-) --(WT-en) JanSlupski 16:03, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * Yeah, I know there's lots of people walking the bridge, as they don't have any other means on crossing the river (eg. money for the taxis) - and they've got nothing valuable with them. Still that's really the only place in Niamey where I never walked - and I walked a lot during the year I lived there - because really even the locals preferred not to walk across if they had anything valuable with them. During the one year there I heard of two robbings: one on the bridge, another in front of El Nasr -building (near rip-off row). It's not only one local who warned me against the bridge.

 * I can't really tell you what kind of monsters lurk under the bridge (well, sometimes there's hippos), but the risks are supposed to involve some mean, hairy goblins (or bandits or the like, bad guys anyway), who come from under the bridge and rob all nice little people (yes, I know, but the whole society there seems to go around rumors, without anyone really never having any first hand information). (WT-en) Tommi 09:42, 17 Aug 2005 (EDT)

During the two-plus years I lived south of the bridge, I crossed it countless times, never had an incident, and never heard anyone talk about being scared to cross the bridge. I didn't hear about any robberies on the bridge, either. Lots of tourists have been robbed in the area of the Petit Marche, though. The bridge comment to me seems not confirmed enough to be in this wiki, but ... I don't know who makes those decisions. -Conifertree 17 Sept. 2006

 * It's you who should make the decision. Or me, or anyone. But I've now removed the part about the bridge myself, as I feel that Niamey was really safe city and I don't want to add anything to that irrational fear these safety sections in travel guides usually cause. Safety issues are always too personal, and they can change fast. My experience is already three years old. About Petit Marche: I never had any problems near it, and I walked by it quite often even during night - though I always was pretty cautious there. (WT-en) Tommi 02:43, 7 December 2006 (EST)

2010 Coup d'etat
Added warningbox.

 * yes very appropriate. I moved it to the top.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:20, 19 February 2010 (EST)

I am in Niger right now to be honest it is still really calm besides around the presidential palace where there are troops packing heavy but still I think it as fine as it was before the coup (which I admit is no ghana or benin or burkina faso but still)

Regions
Niger, with the size and population pretty much identical to Angola, has seven official regions that we could use. Unfortunately, they would all likely be pretty sparse, save Tillabéri. The rest have a population of 1.5–2 million, except the easternmost and northernmost, both of which are very sparsely populated.

Dividing the country otherwise, however, looks like a difficult task. The geography is either Sahel, mostly along the southern border, and the rest Saharan, so that isn't very helpful. I'm a little inclined to divide the country into a mere three regions: Southwest (Tillabére & Dosso), South, and North. The division between south and north would roughly follow the lines of population density, which tracks fairly closely with the Sahel v. Sahara split. This will necessitate using subdivisions of the regions, the departments. These departments would go to the north: for Tahoua, Tchin-Tabaraden and Abalak; for Maradi, only the northern part of Dakoro; for Zinder, Tanout and most of Goure; and for Diffa, only N'Guigmi. That's a bit complicated, but see wikipedia:File:NigerOMC.png and wikipedia:File:Niger admin.png to get an idea of what I am basing this on. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:10, 22 February 2010 (EST)

 * See map to the right. I'll give this one more day, and if no one objects, I'll implement this new hierarchy. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 01:24, 4 March 2010 (EST)

 * The divisions of regions are perfect! There are a few minor things that should (in my opinion) be added/tweaked. The road from Niamey to Gao has been paved recently and from lots of travel accounts, etc, I gather it's a major road and should be red. The road/piste from Agadez up to Tamanrasset is a major road (although currently not for tourists due to unrest) across the Sahara...in fact, it's just about the only trans-Sahara route in use between Egypt-Sudan to east and Morocco-Mauritania in the west! It's worth making at least a dashed red line. The Air & Tenere National Reserve is a major draw near Agadez (at least when it's safe) and Bilma and Chirfa are tiny, remote outposts, but gateways nevertheless to the remote Tenere desert and Djado Plateau. (WT-en) AHeneen 21:21, 4 March 2010 (EST)

 * Done. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:09, 9 March 2010 (EST)

Merge all regions
Given the general emptiness of the region articles and the lack of city articles contained therein, should the regions be merged? Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:16, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

 * Support Ground Zero (talk) 13:43, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm changing my mind on this to oppose -- a country the size of Niger should be split up into regions, even if it's not yet ready for mass tourism that would support more city articles than we have now. Ground Zero (talk) 20:16, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't see why the area involved is relevant. Anticosti is covered by one city article despite its size. Ditto, and maybe more relevantly, for Empty Quarter. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:17, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Anticosti has a population of 240, while Rub' al Khali is a largely empty quarter of a country that does not issue tourist visas. There seems to be little potential for article creation in either of these regions. Niger, on the other hand, has 21 million people in lots of cities and towns (and is 160 times the size of Anticosti Island). We just don't have articles for them yet. In the unlikely event someone were able to write articles about lots of places in Anticosti and Rub' al Khali, I suppose we would want to split up the articles there too. And if my mother had wheels, I suppose she might be a bus, but I don't see the point in speculating on the matter. Kind of like putting merge tags on articles when no-one, not even the person proposing the merger, is will to to merge the articles. It's just a hypothetical discussion. Better to remove the tags and let the regional articles develop when we find someone with the knowledge of the country to write the articles we know could be there. Ground Zero (talk) 21:34, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

 * If you take a look at Chad, it's in a similar state. But here's the issues I see: first, you've got the problem with the static maps. It just seems like a lot of work to do all this that isn't necessary. And if someone adds more articles, then we'd have to divide it into regions again. I'm not an open oppose, though. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 02:30, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, even the proposer of this merge isn't interested in doing the work. Ground Zero (talk) 19:33, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

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