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Just a reply to the stuff on my talk page:

1. Fine I relent on the airports but I condensed the information. No need to describe the airports in detail in the country article. Do that in the city articles. 2. Your map uses the old romanisations. Pls stick to the revised romanisations when dealing with South Korea. The old ones should be used when dealing with North Korea. In addition, there might be some copyright issues as it appears to be scanned from a book so some moderator will eventually remove it anyway.

I hope this cleared the air a little and I certainly do not wish to have any animosity with you. Cheers. (WT-en) Superdog 02:34, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

Welcome, external links
Hello Paula! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thanks for your work on South Korea, but please don't make deep links to http://english.visitkorea.or.kr (or any other site, for that matter). Eg. Insadong is supposed to be covered in our very own Seoul article, not other travel guides. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:38, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

 * In general, you should not make any links to any third-party travel guides, see Project:External links for the full scoop. Basically, we want the information to be right here on this site, not somewhere else; this is particularly important for offline use of Wikivoyage, such as the printed guidebooks of Wikivoyage Press. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:11, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

 * Yes, you can and should link to the official tourism site of any country or destination once in the very first sentence of the article, but other links are generally inappropriate. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:38, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

 * Any important information should be right here in Wikivoyage, not behind an external link that may break tomorrow and is not accessible offline. So the correct answer is neither to link to the external travel guide nor to simply omit the link, it's to add that information into the correct place in Wikivoyage.

 * The "no English content" rule has been a bit of a dead letter for a while now, and it's now removed from the official policy. So yes, hotel websites etc in Korean only are fine.

 * I didn't quite understand what you meant by "the history is not visible"...?

 * And please sign your messages by entering ~, it turns into your name and timestamp automatically when you save. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:00, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Wikivoyage's policy is that we generally accept only primary external links. This means that links to the official homepages of tourist attractions, museums, district offices, airports, ferry terminals etc are welcome. However, links to other travel guides are generally not welcome. This means that you can link to eg. the website of the Port of Incheon (a primary link), but you should not link to the KNTO page about the Port of Incheon (a secondary link). In all cases, though, the most important information (eg. phone number, how to get there, prices) should be copied to Wikivoyage itself. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:48, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Romanization
Please use the standard Revised Romanization for any Korean phrases for consistency. There's a handy conversion tool at, just punch in the hangeul and it will give you the correct transliteration. (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:11, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

Dokdo
I really don't want to bring Wikipedia's edit wars here, and that's why I don't want a lengthy history section for Dokdo. Please summarize your concerns on Talk:Dokdo if you object with what I've written. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:05, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

 * Also, where are those Dokdo pictures taken from? Did you take them yourself? (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:15, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

 * Replied on Talk:Dokdo. And I have no intention of chasing you on other Korea articles, because fortunately the rest of the country is not disputed... (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:06, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

 * You're not going to win this one unless you can convince others on Talk:Dokdo, so start talking. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:52, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

 * See above. This is not personal. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:46, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Map of Korea
Image:사본 -kor map03.jpg is a nice-looking map, but do you really have permission from the KTO to license it under Creative Commons? It will be deleted if you don't. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:46, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

 * Your map is a direct copy from the KTO site, which states "All rights reserved", so you will need to show us that permission in writing. See wts:Votes_for_deletion. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:56, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

 * That's cuz it's the people who work for them that made it for me. Permission has been granted and documented. Check image history

 * Hi Paula, if you have concerns about your map being deleted again, it's best to address those on a talk page, rather than to just reinsert it. Apparently the image has successfully been vfd'd twice: wts:Votes_for_deletion/Archive_Jan-June_2009. Please do not upload it again without discussing first – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 03:20, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

 * Better yet, since there is absolutely nothing special or interesting about that particular map, why not look for one that is easily attributable? Like from Commons? How about this one, or if you know your way around Inkscape, speed up the inevitable and create a Wikivoyage style one from this one? :) – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 03:28, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

 * The first one isn't bad looking but mine's got more detail. I'll send in the info you want.(WT-en) Paula 04:07, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

 * Since it does seem like a credible letter of permission imo, I will ignore the fact that you've steam-rolled protocol & etiquette and uploaded it a third time without prior discussion :)  It will be replaced very soon by a Wikivoyage-style Korea map anyhow  :)  – (WT-en) cacahuate   talk 15:03, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

Ulleungdo
Hi Paula... I noticed that you reverted my edit to Ulleungdo. Was there any specific reason for this? Has the tourist ferry service been suspended? If so, could you type that into the summary box as a reason for your edit... If you do that, I'll no longer revert this specific edit... Much appreciated... Cheers... (WT-en) WindHorse 06:10, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks for your reply. Now I understand your reason for deleting (or actually relocating) the info about the ferries, I'll leave you on peace... HAHA... Cheers. (WT-en) WindHorse 10:58, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

Temples in Korea
Re: North Gyeongsang and a few others, temples like Buseoksa should not get their own articles, unless they're so huge and remote that they don't make sense in a city (eg. Guinsa). Please place them in the nearest city, like Yeongju in the case of Buseoksa, instead. (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:34, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Incheon Airport
Incheon Airport is on Yeongjong Island, so the airport is best covered there. The Seoul article should discuss how to get from ICN to Seoul, and the Incheon article should discuss how to get from ICN to Incheon city. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:56, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Edit Warring
Your contributions of late have been composed of little other than edit warring. Edit wars are undesirable -- please leave the article alone until a suitable compromise or discussion can be pursued. There is no harm in allowing discussion to precede minor notions of correctness. -- (WT-en) Colin 01:17, 6 January 2009 (EST)

Rogue Bureaucrat
I would like to address some ongoing issues with a particular bureaucrat and one of his admins. The general idea is he follows me around and basically harasses me whenever I make an edit to one of his pages. He seems to need the last word on all the edits. I'm finding this a little perplexing since I thought it was understood that edits can be made and that factual information matter. Frankly, I think it's getting a little personal and the boundaries of fairness and good sense are being breached. I've written the details in a letter I have sent to your Wiki email since I thought it would be too much for this talk page. I am a travel writer and enjoyed working on this site very much initially. However it's become a demoralizing and draining experience lately. It's unfortunate and would hope to return to my original opinion on the task. Thanx(WT-en) Paula 20:02, 22 January 2009 (EST)

 * Evan is not active here for the foreseeable future, besides Evan and Jptokal have been working together pretty closely for a number of years, so I doubt you would find much sympathy on that front, in any case, the way this place works, is if you think an admin is crossing a line, you take it up with one of the other active admins. (you can see a list here). Also, while I know Jptokal's direct style can often leave quite a bit to be desired, you often come across as overly aggressive yourself, which isn't exactly helping things, least of all if you are crying out for backup. Also in this case, reverting to an "edit war" is just about the worst thing you can do in these circumstances.

Ha, Ha. You'd be laughing too if you saw my letter to Evan. What you have written is exactly what I had assumed and predicted the problems are with Wikivoyage. You have confirmed to me that the "Old Boys Club" mentality is as pervasive as I feared it was. At least you freely admit the obvious bias that exists within the admins and which you demonstrate yourself. So, you will forgive me if I don't consider your criticism of what you perceive to be my "overly aggressive" ways as credible. (WT-en) Paula 00:42, 5 February 2009 (EST)

It is not a "cry...for backup" as you put it that I am looking for, it is the observance to the original ideals, objectivity, fairness and the freedom to make legitamite edits, of the site that I was demanding. And when I did not receive that from the people I thought most committed to those principles I was taken aback and responded concurrently.(WT-en) Paula 00:42, 5 February 2009 (EST)

By the way, I was not the one who had asked for the page to be blocked. I am always willing to compromise and have in the past. And if Evan is not active why has he not been removed on the active list?(WT-en) Paula 00:42, 5 February 2009 (EST)

 * Now regarding the issue at hand, I think you might have misinterpreted the motives behind the edits, which I suspect would be 1) The traveller comes first 2) We want as simple a structure as possible. Now I've never been north of Gyeongju, and hence not an expert on anything Seoul, but it seems like the only ones that would really be hurt and sad we would call this amalgamated island Yeongjong, would be locals on Yongyu, and they hardly need a travel guide. most maps I could find, identify it as one island anyway (lest one from where the airport was still under construction):, , , . Which leads be to point 2, the amount of content in the guide hardly merits a split. If this is really something you'd loose sleep over, i would suggest either that you fill in so much useful content for Yeongyu, that it make sense to split the article, or that we discuss a rename the whole shabang to "Yeongjong-Yeongyu island", but from my light research on the subject, it does seem pointless as most places refer to the airport as being on Yeongjong, wikipedia even writes "The previously separate Yongyu, Sammok, and Sinbul Islands have been joined to Yeongjong Island by an area of reclaimed land". --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 03:13, 23 January 2009 (EST)

No.1: If the traveller comes first shouldn't we be giving them accurate information? Does that not count as being necessary? It's not about, "my pony is prettier than your pony." It's about do these things exist or not. Is this information necessary or not? I don't know about you. I REALLY don't know about you but that's what I understand as the "traveller coming first" to mean. If the facts are not important and you refuse to see them and what you're really interested in is creating your own terms for places and inventing things because it's easier or follows some arbitrary guideline beknownst only to you and your band of bureacrats then PLEASE, PLEASE tell me now. I will be happy to let you have your way so you can play with yourselves. But if you genuinely are interested in accepting accurate information that is helpful to anyone visiting these places then believe you me, my "aggression" will subside.

No.2: Have you actually seen my edits? You would be hard pressed to see a simpler structure in some of them. I would be hurt. Every Korean local I have explained this bizarre argument I'm having with y'all would be hurt. And most importantly, anyone trying to get to the beaches and markets on Yongyu Island would be hurt. The official Incheon tourist map lists it as an island, Wikipedia describes the map as Yeongjong Island and Yongyu Island , the description on the link YOU listed also describes it as Yeongjong and Yongyu Island , the airport PR Centre confirms that distinction as well. I mean WTF? Even information you and Jani have listed say exactly what I'm saying. I mean which part is difficult to understand? Every official body acknowledges this. There are 2 islands and the airport is on reclaimed land between them. That's it. (WT-en) Paula 00:42, 5 February 2009 (EST)

Letter to Evan (SysOp)
January 13, 2009

Dear Evan Prodromou,

This letter is in regards to an ongoing issue with one of the other bureaucrats on the site, Jani Patokaillo. I have been working on the South Korean pages for about 9 months now.

I first discovered Wikivoyage by accident when I was researching some information on some of my future travels. I was really happy to read about your goals and general principles. They were basically saying that “it’s all free and we are all equal in the eyes of the Wiki.” However, I wasn’t sure how easy it would be to maintain these objectives.

When I wandered into the South Korean page I found there were many areas in which I could contribute some insights and updates. I not only speak the language but have grown up with the Korean culture and have been living/working here for over 6 years.

Right from the beginning my edits were being reverted by the person whose work I changed somehow. However with a little discussion on the “talk” pages we would come to a compromise and work it out like adults. The system works…at least that’s what I thought.

At first, Jani Patokaillo was quite helpful when I would ask questions on the site’s mechanics or when he would direct me to relevant guidelines. Although his tone could get caustic at times, I made the assumption his ultimate goal was the same as mine, to make the site better. However, progressively, his actions were running contrary to the site’s principles. He would reword sentences unnecessarily then explain his edits were better somehow or more correct. If it was a matter of factual information and I would challenge him with objective sources he would dismiss them and base his whole argument on a Wikipedia entry.

This started with the Dokdo page. He disputed a few lines in the intro which was referenced from historical sources recognized by both sides (Korea and Japan). He rewrote it so it would sound ambiguous regardless if it had any basis in fact or not. He had nothing to back up his statement other than one Wikipedia page which was being hotly disputed and was itself blocked from more edits. To try to reason with him I had asked him to refer to sources outside of Wikipedia but he refused. He argued that the readers did not need to know anything more than what he had written. I was flabbergasted and moved on. It seemed he did not respond to reason.

As I moved on to other pages, he followed me and made similar objections with subsequent pages but when I would ask for help he would be no where to be found. Lately, I was working on the Incheon and Yeongjong Island pages. I transferred the airport information from the Seoul page to Yeongjeong which JP had created but had neglected to put the airport information there. Ironically he had instructed me to do exactly that way back when I was working on the national page. But when I did, of course he was unhappy with that. He kept changing any updates I made on the page. It seemed senseless. He was basically saying the same thing. Correct me if I’m wrong. Aren’t we supposed to edit work that’s out of date or incorrect regardless if it’s an administrator, bureaucrat or the King of the Wikivoyage and not get hassled about it needlessly? In addition he is never interested in compromising unless it’s his last word on it. I really did not expect this exceedingly proprietary attitude from a system’s operator on the Wiki.

Every official island, city and tourism website recognizes 2 islands as having been connected by the airport even Wikipedia does, as I have stated and referenced in the Yeongjong page. Refer to the map. When he didn’t get his way he asked his buddy Colin (administrator) to block the page, who then sent me a reproaching message similar to the one he (Colin) coincidently, sent me on the Dokdo page.

He is insistent on pointless arguing on the Talk pages. When I find myself repeating myself I desist from the petty squabbling. I could reference sources written on stone tablets to him but with no effect. He doesn’t want to listen.

It looks to me decisions are not being made by fair consensus but by a popularity contest. JP is a bureaucrat. He knows all the sysops, the admins and many of the contributors and he’s probably a good friend of yours. Hopefully writing to you will not meet with the same result as writing to him.

Ultimately, if this is allowed to continue, the views permitted to be shown on the site will only echo those of the chosen few. As far as I remember, this is the exact opposite of what the site was meant to be.

Apparently the system does not work very well. I am disappointed that I have to resort to writing to you about this. But this has been an ongoing thing and if every time I challenge JP on something he blocks the page, this will be a very slow progress. Like I told JP on his talk page, it is really unfortunate how he has turned something that was initially admirable and fun into something laborious and irritating.

One way or the other this needs to be resolved. I am asking for suggestions. Perhaps a reasonable outcome will come out of this mess.

Sincerely yours, Paula

Etiquette
On Talk pages, please sign your posts (enter ~ ), stop bolding everything, and use : to indent your comments. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:50, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yes, Sir!(WT-en) Paula 00:41, 10 February 2009 (EST)

Yeongjong, again
Per Talk:Yeongjong Island and the Pub, User:(WT-en) Wrh2, User:(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald and User:(WT-en) Wandering have all indicated that the article should not be renamed, so please stop moving it. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:36, 4 March 2009 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) PaulaMatuszek

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Thank you for contributing to Pennsylvania. -- (WT-en) Huttite 04:18, 1 Dec 2005 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Paulcurtis

Welcome
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Hello
There is already an article for Saint Petersburg in English and Санкт-Петербург in Russian. (WT-en) AHeneen 23:59, 4 December 2008 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Paul Fisher

Hi Paul Fisher! Thanks for your edits on Perth (Australia) and elsewhere, they are much appreciated!

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User talk:(WT-en) Paulha

Hello!

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Please give our welcome page for business owners a read. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 12:52, 16 December 2009 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Paulino Michelazzo

Olá! Como você já notou, o Wikivoyage em português finalmente foi lançado. Ainda há muito o que conferir, traduzir e escrever. Como você se ofereceu para ajudar na Expedição Portuguesa do guia, seria excelente se você pudesse continuar colaborando com o novo Wikivoyage da maneira que estiver ao seu alcance. Toda ajuda é bem-vinda! Obrigado! (WT-en) Rmx 11:45, 27 Jan 2006 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Paul in Saudi

Hello Paul in Saudi!

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Thank you for contributing to Saudi Arabia. -- (WT-en) Huttite 06:38, 14 Jan 2005 (EST)

- Hello Paul, Depends on what kind of hotel you are looking for send me an email and i ll provide you with info mailto:bartvanslobbe@hotmail.com

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User talk:(WT-en) Paulinsche

Hello!

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User talk:(WT-en) Paulishus

Hello!

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To be honest, I'm not sure how information about this "Real race" fits into the goals of Wikivoyage, and we're probably going to have a community discussion to answer that question. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 22:56, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

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Welcome
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Thanks for your contributions to Andaman and Nicobar! -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:26, 17 September 2010 (EDT)

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Welcome to Wikivoyage!
Hi PaulK ! Thanks for your edits on Cape Town, they are much appreciated!

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If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub or on my talk page. -- (WT-en) Tim 15:07, 25 January 2007 (EST)

Nice work on Kalk Bay
Thanks for sorting out those listings, the page now look a whole lot better. Are you located in the Cape? If so, do you have any photos we can use for the False Bay area? I'm stuck in Jo'burg so it's a bit hard to get the photos that the Cape articles really need. --(WT-en) Nick 08:19, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Thanks ... Yeh, I live in the south peninsula so I know the area pretty well. I have a good camera but not many photos of the area ; I'll see what I can do. --(WT-en) Paul 15:06, 12 March 2008 (CAT)

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Thanks for your contributions to Rio de Janeiro! --(WT-en) Evan 19:13, 5 Jun 2004 (EDT)

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Thanks for your work so far -- it's looking good! --(WT-en) Evan 11:33, 12 Mar 2004 (EST)

Good work on phrasebooks! You may want to look at the pseudo-phoneticization guide. I've been in Portugal, not Brazil, so if you think the Brazilian pronunciation sounds better, go ahead. -(WT-en) phma 23:25, 18 Mar 2004 (EST)

Three points
So, three points: first, much personal appreciation for your attention to detail in the guide. You've really improved the overall quality of work here, and I greatly appreciate it.

Second: I'm not sure why you've been adding self-links (links to the page on the same page) to articles. It seems like you're trying to highlight the first mention of the destination. What's the goal here? Why not use the three apostrophe format instead?

Third: the attraction listings has URLs at the end of the listing, not as a link for the attraction name. If you think that's wrong, please help edit the style guideline.

Anyways, thanks again. I hope these two last notes don't come across as harsh criticism, but more as things I've noticed in what you've been doing. --(WT-en) Evan 13:14, 8 Jun 2004 (EDT)

 * On both of these points, I realize that my style goes against prevailing practice (but not formally mandated guidelines). I really do think that my style is better -- which will be explained shortly -- and hope to propose changes to the style guidelines... which I've been meaning to do for some time. I'll hold off on the edits for the time being. -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 13:16, 9 Jun 2004 (EDT)

 * Augh! That's the second time I've done that (tried to note some MoS points and unintentionally got someone to say "I'll stop editing, then") in as many weeks. I really need to figure out how to say that better. Nevertheless, my point: please, don't stop editing! You're doing an excellent job. --(WT-en) Evan 13:46, 9 Jun 2004 (EDT)

 * No, no, no, don't worry. What I meant to say is I'll refrain specifically from replacing triple quotes with double brackets, and moving URLs from the end of a list item to within the attraction name itself. No point in having you chase me around from edit to edit. I certainly intend to continue editing in general and contributing material. And my top priority will be writing up proposed changes to the style guidelines. -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 03:39, 10 Jun 2004 (EDT)

External links in listings
Thanks a ton for your note on Project:external links. It's pretty compelling; I've got some reservations, though, which I posted on that page. --(WT-en) Evan 23:30, 26 Jun 2004 (EDT)

Vietnamese phrasebook
See Talk:Vietnamese phrasebook. – Minh Nguyễn 00:09, 2 Dec 2004 (EST)

Washington State
I note you created Bellevue by adding a wiki link to Seattle/International District rather than Washington (state). Anyway, I added the link and restructured the Washington (state) article. Could you please drop by the Washington (state)article to see that I have linked it correctly. -- (WT-en) Huttite 19:26, 26 Mar 2005 (EST)

External links outside listings
Regarding your recent changes to Tokyo/Ebisu, where you took the link "out" of Yebisu Garden Place, please take a look at Project:External links so we can standardize on an approach. (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:19, 6 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Japanese go-between
You sure you don't want to sign up as the Japanese Wikivoyage go-between? Your Japanese is way better than mine.

Alternatively, as I proposed to Evan, I can be a "half-go-between" handling ja-to-en reporting if we can find a native speaker, or you =), to take care of en-to-ja. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:59, 9 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * Heh, there's a reason I laid low until you clinched the vote :). (Though I never said I didn't want to either; my name's on the ballot...) Anyway, sure, I'd be glad to split the job. Would that mean I'd also be the "ja:User:Evan"? -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 06:21, 9 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * Uh... so, diffusion of responsibility hasn't been a big plus so far with go-betweens. If you're really going to share this job, great. If neither one of you actually wants to do it, and "splitting the job" is just a euphemism for "not doing the job", then, jeez... It's not really that hard a job. --(WT-en) Evan 07:49, 9 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * So Evan, you want to start writing reports in Japanese then? :P I think the division is clear enough: I write (in English) about ja-travel here, and Paul writes (in Japanese) about en-travel there.

 * But I think the real job is not writing reports, it's transmitting the Wikivoyage Way to the new version and its new users. And the more knowledgeable people we have doing this, the better. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:31, 9 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * Absolutely, I agree completely. I know you guys are pretty responsible. I'm just grumpy because we've had such a horrible breakdown in communications between Wikivoyage language versions, and I've got no clue as to how to improve it. --(WT-en) Evan 11:24, 9 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * I'm certainly willing to put in the effort, and I'm sure Jpatokal is as well -- I could do all of it if that's preferred. And I was mostly kidding about avoiding nomination and foisting it on Jpatokal. I put my name on the ballot and cast my vote like everybody else. -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 00:00, 10 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * Paul, if you want to be the "full" go-between I'm all for it. My original idea envisioned that there'd be a native Japanese speaker with limited English skills, but obviously having a true bilingual is much better!  I'll still be happy to admin and work in the background on technical stuff.  (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:51, 10 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Administrative nomination
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Admin nomination
I've added an nomination for User:(WT-en) Pjamescowie to become an admin. Please stop by and give your opinion. --(WT-en) Evan 19:48, 2 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Templates on ja-wikivoyage
Could you help sort out the templates on ja-wikivoyage? Shoestring's been doing a good job translating the content but the content headings are still in flux, I'd like to hammer this out ASAP so I can start bulk generation of country templates etc. (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:48, 5 Jul 2005 (EDT)

ja-wikivoyage
Greetings -- could you keep an eye on ja-wikivoyage for the next couple of weeks? I'll be on the road and will have very spotty access to the Internet. (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:19, 31 Aug 2005 (EDT)
 * I'll at least try to, as I've been on a Wiki lull/hiatus for some time. Shoestring seems to have things under control in any case. -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 00:57, 31 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Admin nomination
User:(WT-en) Elgaard and User:(WT-en) Ilkirk have been nominated to become admins. Please stop by and give your opinion. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:40, 4 Nov 2005 (EST)

Tibet
Sorry Paul, I don't agree with you moving the comments about avoiding discussing the Tibet - China issue from 'Stay safe' to 'Respect'. Stay safe should discuss any matter that can be of potential danger to the traveler. Of course, crime is the major concern here. However, an article about trekking in an area with dangerous wildlife or in an area prone to rock falls should discuss these matters. Likewise, in some countries, talking about certain issues is dangerous and the traveler may find himself visited by the police and detained if he expresses his opinion about them openly. The China - Tibet 'relationship' is one such issue. Avoiding discussing this matter is not a matter a respect - who will you offend? It is purely a matter of staying safe - even if you yourself may not be in direct danger for discussing this matter, the locals that you are talking to are certainly at risk. I won't return the passage to Stay Safe, but hope you consider my point and I'll leave it up to you to decide which place you think is better. 9 Dec 05

YggdrasilBot
I've got a proposal for a bot to do the cleanup work on breadcrumb navigation here: Project:Script nominations. Your comment welcome, please. --(WT-en) Evan 00:04, 11 Dec 2005 (EST)

Rentasaikuru no risuto
Could you add in your two cents into the great レンタサイクルのリスト debate on ja? My command of Japanese is just not sufficient to outline why lists like this are completely against what we should be doing... (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:46, 3 March 2006 (EST)
 * Yeah, I've been trying to follow the copious, headache-inducing debate and don't really know where/how to plunge in, but it's clear to me that it doesn't belong, just like the erstwhile hitchhiking list here on en. -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 02:52, 3 March 2006 (EST)

 * To me the answer seems obvious: "Cycling in Japan" makes a travel topic and the individual shops should go into the destination pages... (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:07, 3 March 2006 (EST)

Kichijoji Iseya
The article that you removed mentions another branch of the restaurant. Have both been torn down, or would it be better to leave in a mention of the other branch if it's still there? (WT-en) Nick San 05:27, 25 September 2006 (EDT)

Admin nomination
I've nominated User:(WT-en) Cacahuate to become an admin; please comment on Project:administrator nominations when you have some time. --(WT-en) Evan 01:28, 6 January 2007 (EST)

reference to guidebooks
Dear Paul, I just found discussion Project:External links where you participated. I thought you might have something to say on User:(WT-en) DenisYurkin/Paper travel guides in its talk page--and maybe even help to make that article acceptable for Wikivoyage standards. Thank you. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:39, 7 February 2007 (EST)

Brazilian cities
Paul, you've been a great contributor to the Brazil article, which now needs to have its list of cities seriously downsized. I've come up with a proposal based on government statistics. Those do not necessarily reflect the needs and views of English-speaking travellers, so as you are very familiar with the country, maybe you'd like to join the discussion and help deciding which cities to keep~on the list. Thanks, (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 19:44, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Santa Cruz disambiguation
Can we revert this edit - ? - the revised Santa Cruz (disambiguation) article now has a "Brazil" section. The reason I created Santa Cruz (Brazil) was because that name isn't going to be a valid disambiguation for any one article, but that might not have been obvious to whoever creates the first Santa Cruz article(s) for Brazil. ~ 61.91.191.10 03:37, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

Seattle
Hi, I notice you lived in Seattle for a large amount of time, please could you help us out in breaking the article up into districts? We are currently discussing how best to redefine the districts - there are currently way too many with little or no info present. -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 10:05, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

Internet Brands
Greetings, Paul. I'm John, the Gen. Mgr. of the Travel division at Internet Brands. I just wanted to reach out to offer myself as a point of contact if you ever have questions about IB, or suggestions for our involvement with Wikivoyage. (WT-en) Redondo 16:48, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

Tokyo
Hi Paul! I have seen that you are a native of Tokyo. I will visit Tokyo for my first time in April and would like to know if you have some tips for, especially nightlife would interest me. I stay in a hotel in Roppongi and read the Wikivoyage Shibuya and Roppongi articles. Are the recommendations for lounge/bar in these articles ok or would you suggest other spots? Thank you very much in advance an regards (WT-en) jan 08:20, 31 January 2011 (EST)

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KL
Thanks for your edits to Kuala Lumpur. In the interest of people with slow connections, we generally keep the lead image to 400px and others in the article to 240px or less. (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:00, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

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Lebanon/Syria
Thanks for your work on Lebanon and Syria! It is much appreciated. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 16:48, 10 January 2010 (EST)

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List formatting
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The Phrasebooks
Please understand that phrasebooks are for languages not countries or whatever. I removed your listing to United States in the request because it isn't a language. Please refer to the stuff at the top of the page for more info. Hope this helps. Happy holidays,(WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 15:31, 27 December 2008 (EST).
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North America
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 * Please see Talk:Tuzla. Cheers. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:12, 1 August 2011 (EDT)

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Babolsar & copyright
Hi

I just reverted your most recent edit to the Babolsar article - please have a look at Copyleft and feel free to comment on the Talk:Babolsar page if applicable - thanks. ~ 203.144.143.8 03:12, 16 December 2007 (EST)

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Copyrighted material? Too much general info?
Hi there. I have a couple of comments for you...

First, given the amazing speed and thorough coverage with which you are adding text to Guide to diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay and Dive sites of the Cape Peninsula and False Bay, I am getting a little concerned that you might be copying the text from a book or other copyrighted source. While admittedly, Google searches of the text have yielded nothing at this point, I know it is damn near impossible to add 16000 characters of such well-written text in an hour unless that text has already been written in advance. I wonder if you would be willing to comment about where all this is coming from?

Second, these two articles contain a great deal of information which is applicable to diving as a whole-- info about equipment, technique, etc. That stuff should be pulled out of these articles and merged with the Scuba diving article. We like to avoid duplication around here whenever possible. (WT-en) Texugo 05:06, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Hi Texugo, I am in fact cutting and pasting from my own unpublished work, so there are no copyright issues. The total text is probably about 300 pages, but I haven't counted recently and could be out by a large margin. I originally intended to publish in hard copy, but recently decided that if I did that I would never be ready to print, as there is still so much to do, so this allows it to be useful while unfinished, and as I probably wouldn't even cover printing costs by sales, probably cheaper too. This is the work of several years surveying, mapping and collecting data over about a thousand dives, and to finish it properly would probably take a few more years. My friends and aquaintances keep bugging me to publish, so this is my response.
 * I dont know if this answers all the points in your first question, If not ask again in more detail.

 * Your second point about duplication of information in the Scuba Diving article. I have not read the article, and will do so to see if I can work out which information you are referring to. My reasons for including what I have is that these hints relate specifically to the region and local conditions, and are not actually generic except for a few generalisations like warning peole to take care and be responsible. If you could point out which specific items you feel are redundant, I will reconsider them.
 * Hope this answers your questions.
 * Cheers,
 * Peter
 * (WT-en) Pbsouthwood 09:33, 10 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Hey Peter, noticed you had your name on a number of publications about the area, we don't mean to be completely anal here, but copyright issues is immensely important to a site like ours - so it would indeed be greatly appreciated if you could respond over here: Talk:Dive sites of the Cape Peninsula and False Bay. Cheers --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 17:45, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

Hi Stefan, I am new to this game and not sure what you mean by having my name on a number of publications about the area. Could you explain? (WT-en) Pbsouthwood 09:33, 10 August 2009 (EDT)

Perhaps one of you can advise me on a point of style/policy. I have a lot of information on several of the dive sites listed in Dive sites of the Cape Peninsula and False Bay, which I want to include in the overall guide, but am not sure wheter I should put them in as linked articles as implied by the current format of the main article, or include them in the main article. Each of the sites will eventually get a fairly comprehensive description of how to get there, how to identify the access points, local hazards, what to expect to see, the layout of the site and useful information for dive planning specific to that site. This would make the main article very long and perhaps too cumbersome. Separate articles would fragment the whole thing, but would allow the user to more easily navigate to the specific place of interest from the list of sites, without having to download the whole nine yards. Of course nothing is cast in stone, and whichever I eventually go for can always be converted to the other if that looks like it would work better, but those of you who have been doing this for more than a week may have some experience to pass on. Cheers, Peter (WT-en) Pbsouthwood 09:33, 10 August 2009 (EDT)

 * I was referring to the same thing as Texugo - unless it was written in advance there was no way to get information of this quality, and checking up on this, I ran into this page showing you already had published some stuff through that organisation, decreasing the chances of a copyright violation. Since you just confirmed that to be true, I don't think there are any issues on that front.

 * Very very nice to see so much high quality information added here - you could choose to build up your articles here, and publish it in a book though Wikitravel Press and get it on Amazon, with basically no cost for you other than the first books sold used to cover the expenses. I think you should give that some serious thought when you feel it's up to snuff - this would be an awesome application of this. Get in touch with User:(WT-en) Jpatokal for more information. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 10:23, 10 August 2009 (EDT)

 * ...and even the cost of those first books is deducted from royalties, so you don't need to pay anything at all up front. Check out the website and let me know if you're interested. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:17, 10 August 2009 (EDT)

 * It looks good, but lets get the files uploaded first! It goes so slowly... Sometimes I have to wait 3 or 4 minutes for a transfer.
 * Cheers, Peter
 * (WT-en) Pbsouthwood 14:15, 10 August 2009 (EDT)

"SNUBA" question
Since you seem to be very knowledgable about diving, I wonder if you could contribute to this discussion: Project:Votes_for_deletion. (WT-en) Pashley 11:17, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

Spam Filter
If the spam filter is blocking your edits please let us know the error message being returned so that we can fix the problem. After an edit is blocked you will get an error page that will show you the pattern that is causing the edit to be blocked. You may need to obfuscate it a bit to report the error - for example, if the pattern in question is "this_is_spam" you won't be able to use that pattern in any edit, so you can write "I am getting an error any time I try to use 'this underscore is underscore spam'" to let us know what the problem is. Reports can be made here or on Project:Local spam blacklist. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:29, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Thanks Ryan, This morning it isnt happenning, so can't get the information you asked for, but it was even blocking blank edits, i.e. I was clicking on edit at the top of a page, doing nothing, and clicking save page, and it would be blocked, with the full text of the page in the second grey box. I got this result when I tried to report on the spam blacklist too, without mentioning the problem text as it appeared to be the whole page, any page. It didnt matter which machine I was logged in on either, though both are connected through the same router. Weird.  (WT-en) Pbsouthwood 04:43, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

 * I blocked the pattern "cialis" yesterday morning due to drug spam, and it was pointed out that this blocked any edit to a page containing the word "specialise". That may have been the problem - sorry for the trouble. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 09:57, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

 * That would have been the problem. Glad it has been sorted. Cheers, (WT-en) Pbsouthwood 02:03, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

Thanks
Thanks for all the hard effort you are putting into both your own project, and now I see other diving related articles getting treatment as well - awesome! --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 08:08, 15 September 2009 (EDT)
 * It makes a change! Keeps my mind off the amount of image uploading that lies ahead. Cheers, (WT-en) Pbsouthwood 14:58, 15 September 2009 (EDT)

Moved discussion to the article talk page
I suspect you have noticed by now, but I moved the diving topic discussion from The Pub to the article talk page. I can see this being quite a long discussion (I guess it already is!). Cheers. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 06:26, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Too true, I was busy editing a reply when it happened. Bit of a surprise when I saved and the new text was in a diffent discussion, and the discussion I expected to be in was gone. Fortunately I guessed what had happened, so no problem. (WT-en) Pbsouthwood 07:18, 2 October 2009 (EDT)

CC by-sa 3.0
Um, sorry, but you really should've raised this up for discussion before slapping CC by-sa 3.0 tags on your content. Long and short of it is, you don't have the right to unilaterally impose additional conditions on Wikitravel... and Wikitravel as a whole will be moving to CC 3.0 sooner or later anyway, so they're unnecessary. (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:44, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Jani's bluntness can sometimes comes across a bit too harsh, but to add a second view - while the work you've done is great, I'd agree that the CC-SA-3.0 tags are probably something that deserve wider discussion. As a collaborative guide the site needs a single license that everyone who contributes abides by, and currently that is CC-SA-1.0.  While stating that any contribution which you make is also available as CC-SA-3.0 is fine (and many people do this via a note on their user page), tagging the entire article (which others may contribute to) raises potential problems with authors who want to follow sitewide licensing that may now differ for specific articles.

 * A good workaround for now might be to note on your user page that all contributions you make are also released under the CC-SA-3.0 (as you have) and potentially also copy this notice onto the talk pages of the articles in question, but to leave the main articles without additional license info. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:46, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

No offence taken. My decision to do this unilaterally was prompted by the realisation that it might save trouble later on articles that are at this stage compliant by way of being new or the product of only supporters of the move. The point is that while they are still in this state it would be easy to keep them that way by the note. As soon as something is added it might cause a problem later. To remove the tags is relatively easy compared to chasing down the contributors. So it appeared to me that this was the prudent step, as it is easily reversible and could prevent later problems. Putting it up for discussion, though in the best traditions of Wikitravel, could cause long delays, during which time it is possible that some contributor might put in a lot of work (not likely I agree, but possible) which would later have to be deleted. Also, Plunging forward is another of the best traditions of Wikitravel, so I did. Since it is now done, it can be discussed safely. As this is a Wiki, if any potential contributor doesn't like the idea of CC-by-sa 3, they have the option of either not making the edit, which saves everyone time in the long run, or removing the tag themselves and making both the edit and the point that they are opposed to the licence. If anyone feels that their toes have been trampled, my apologies, that was not the intention (as explained), I just felt this might be worth doing in a rush. Unfortunately for my plans, it now has become contentious before I could finish, so I will have to stop until it has reached a consensus. It took a lot longer than expected, as I had to check each article that there was no content added by a third party that would be potentially copyrightable, and contact the contributor for permission in each case that there was. If there is consensus that it is undesirable, or someone can point out an accepted rule that has been contravened, I will remove them all. If there is consensus that it is harmless or desirable I will finish putting them in. (WT-en) Pbsouthwood 02:12, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

 * I'm not quite sure I understood that last bit there -- anything copyrighted by a third party and not released under CC would not be acceptable under any version of the license...? (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:09, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

 * I'm not sure which last bit you mean. If it was "as I had to check each article that there was no content added by a third party that would be potentially copyrightable, and contact the contributor for permission in each case that there was.", what I was trying to say is that only something that is potentially copyrightable could be an issue when the license is changed. Edits like correcting spelling mistakes and adding a link are inherently uncopyrightable and therefore could be ignored, but if someone was to add a paragraph describing the underwater landscape, or directions on how to get somewhere, they could argue that it is potentially copyrightable and if they don't like the license change it must be removed. Does this help to clarify? (WT-en) Pbsouthwood 09:52, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

With the site license now officially CC-SA 3.0, the license warnings on articles such as Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/Dreadlocks Reef should no longer be necessary. I assume that the latest one is just a template thing? Otherwise it would be good to discuss your concerns to figure out if there's a way they can be addressed that allows the warnings to be removed. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:09, 30 January 2010 (EST)

Coron
Hi Peter, I wanted to thank you that you have an eye on the Phillies as well as there are many touts... I have no clue about the area as I have never been their, if you know better please merciless delete the touts. Best regards, (WT-en) jan 12:18, 29 October 2009 (EDT)

Hilversum Map
I just uploaded the new map, I made all the street names and icon numbers bold. Also fixed some other minor issues (like one hotel closed doors and some places changed their name and appearance). (WT-en) Globe-trotter 21:04, 1 November 2009 (EST)

Pinnacle Star Nomination
Hi Peter. Please see my comments here. Especially about the map. Cheers.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 08:54, 7 November 2009 (EST)

Ko Tao
Peter, please have a good look at the dive sections in the Ko Tao article. I have just done a massive de-touting of the dive shop/centre listings. I do not really understand why all those different sub-categories have been added though (PADI 5-Star Career Development Centers, Instructor Development Centres, etc etc). Your professional eye on this and the necessary editing would be great! If I have to read that meaningless guff "PADI Award Winning" ... one more time... :) --(WT-en) Burmesedays 02:33, 7 December 2009 (EST)

 * I have cut almost everything and put in links, and transferred it to Diving in Thailand where it is potentially useful. I will prune the touting and both articles will be improved. You may wish to re-arrange the links. Cheers, -- (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 04:18, 7 December 2009 (EST)

That's a brave move and one which makes great sense to me. All those diveshop owners might not agree though.... :) --(WT-en) Burmesedays 04:44, 7 December 2009 (EST)

 * Actually the system of dive guides allows them scope for enticing customers by providing good site guides, so they can legitimately and acceptably publicise Ko Tao by providing good information for the travelling diver. As long as they can live with us cutting the bullshit, its a win-win situation. Keep alerting me when this sort of thing comes up, or if you like just cut and paste the raw text to a reasonably appropriate place in one of the dive guide articles and I will clean it up as I have most of them on my watchlist. Important to put in the links though. -- (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 08:27, 7 December 2009 (EST)

Ko Lanta
Another one like Ko Tao but on a smaller scale. I will try to sort out the hotels and restaurants and would be great if you could deal with the dive shops. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:51, 14 December 2009 (EST)

Saipan
Long time, no hear Peter. I hope all is well with you. Please have a look at Dive sites of Saipan. This is the content of two articles that I crudely merged (the other was Dive sites of saipan!). It has been marked with a merge tag for quite a while. Possibly move all into Scuba Diving and link from Saipan?

 * Hi Burmesedays, nice to hear from you and thanks for the heads up on Diving in Saipan. I have done a bit of editing and it looks like it has potential to develop into a decent article. The quality of information is better than many of the WT dive site descriptions, and I will keep an eye on it.
 * I am up to my eyeballs in diver training at present, and will be for at least the rest of March, and prior to that was busy on some Wikipedia work supporting a colleague's project, and that is also only started, so will be back there a fair bit in future. I will also be back on the dive sites as and when I have more data, and will slowly continue to upgrade the existing sites and keep an eye on Scuba in general on WT. (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 14:57, 3 March 2010 (EST)

A completely unrelated matter: I have just put Nusa Lembongan (of giant sunfish fame) up for star. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:21, 10 February 2010 (EST)

 * Looks good to me. Another star for your Indonesian constellation? I have also commented on star nominations page. Cheers, (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 14:57, 3 March 2010 (EST)

Welcome back
Hi Peter - nice to see you back! I somewhat belatedly discovered your diving guides but have been very impressed by them. It's great to see that work continuing! -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:53, 11 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Hi Ryan, I have been quite busy recently with stuff that didnt relate directly to dive sites, but have now reached a stage where I hope to get a fair bit of mapping done again before the dread spectre of work raises its ugly head again.-- (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 08:35, 13 June 2010 (EDT)

 * Nice going on another star article! Apologies for not getting involved with the nomination process - it's an unfortunately time consuming process to review articles and provide useful feedback, and long stretches of free time have been at a premium lately.  Despite the lack of personal participation, it's still nice to see nominations pass, so kudos to you for seeing it through. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) •

 * Thanks Ryan, You are right about the time, but it is really useful to have feedback. As I don't do much other community work on WT I try at least to review star nominations and look after the dive articles, so I don't feel too bad about other users spending a bit of time on mine ;-) (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 02:11, 25 September 2010 (EDT)

Yaowarat and Pahurat Tour
Thanks for proofreading the Yaowarat and Pahurat Tour article! :) --(WT-en) globe-trotter 14:25, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
 * A pleasure, very nice article. (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 02:05, 25 September 2010 (EDT)

contributions to celebrate
Thanks, your improvement are very helpful! --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 04:04, 30 October 2010 (EDT)

Attribution of CC by sa 3.0 text from other sites
How do I get the attribution into the footer when I use text from another CC by sa 3.0 source? (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 03:18, 25 September 2010 (EDT)
 * Template:Attribution. (WT-en) LtPowers 11:03, 25 September 2010 (EDT)

barnstar :)
Please accept a barnstar as one of the many thank-yous you definitely deserve for pushing Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay to star status. Huge respect! --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:38, 29 November 2010 (EST)

 * Ditto from me. I've been hugely impressed with your dedication and patience and sincerely hope that the wider diving community finds your guides and puts them to good use as they are a truly exhaustive overview of the sites, conditions, and species found in that area. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:37, 29 November 2010 (EST)

 * More exhaustimg than exhaustive unfortunately, but hey, it keeps me busy. Thanks Denis and Ryan, More appreciated than you expect I think. Not many of these around on Wikitravel. • • • (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 00:07, 30 November 2010 (EST)

Khao San Road map
It seems like you have uploaded the old version of the SVG map of Khao San Road. Could you upload the new edited SVG? Thanks! --(WT-en) globe-trotter 07:07, 9 January 2011 (EST)

 * All good now! :) --(WT-en) globe-trotter 13:32, 10 January 2011 (EST)

standardise heading format
RE: I intentionaly meant to start a sub-topic for an existing super-topic "Spare time any American?" started by Swissbelg. So OK if I revert your change? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:43, 17 January 2011 (EST)
 * My apologies, I didnt realise it was intended as a subsection. I have reverted it. • • • (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 17:15, 17 January 2011 (EST)

Frankfurt
Hi Peter, currently we have a slight shortage of non-Japanese/Asian DotM. Therefore i significantly improved Frankfurt. It would be great if you have time that you could do some proof reading what is too much or still missing to be a DoTM. I start to like the article after some 100+ edits but that's maybe just me ;-) (WT-en) jan 10:48, 22 February 2011 (EST)
 * Hi Jan, I will try to find a gap over the next couple of days, as I may have a bit of spare time. I have no skills about what is needed for a DoTM, but will look it up. Cheers, • • • (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 11:23, 22 February 2011 (EST)
 * Hi Peter, a strong guide article is usually required for DotM, so completeness, structure and formats are important. You asked what land-/airside means: Landside is before security and passport control and airside is after passport and security checks. In Airside you can transfer internationally without formally entering the country. (WT-en) jan 02:25, 23 February 2011 (EST)
 * The article looks pretty good to me. I notice that many of the listings are not formatted using the templates, and are not in alphabetical order, but I dont think that is a big problem. I made some formatting changes to "see" listings, and some idiom changes in the top half of the article. I might get a chance to go back and do more later, but I dont see anything major that needs changing for DoTM. I would say structure is good, formatting good with exceptions mentioned, but no opinion on completeness. • • • (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 02:47, 23 February 2011 (EST)

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome. Hoping to pitch in some more on diving articles (just came back from Truk Lagoon). I actually dived in Durban once, many years ago. Some hard core divers you have over there! All the best. (WT-en) Legis 20:23, 22 February 2011 (EST)

Wikitravel:Star nominations
Hi Peter, just left a note for you on Project:Star nominations, keep up the good work it is looking really good. Cheers-- (WT-en) felix 12:52, 24 April 2011 (EDT)

Dive Site Maps
I am very impressed by your dive maps and dive site details. Wow. :) I always wanted to do something similar in the UK but never quite got there (yet). I have done about 10 dives in the Cape Town area on holiday. The one and only site I have mapped is Leybourne in the UK. Anyway, keep up the good work. --(WT-en) TimSC 14:09, 25 July 2011 (EDT)

Test message
Hi Peter, I can get here! Mauro

Login issues
Since you're editing again I assume your login issues are resolved? Do you know what the problem was? -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:17, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 * Not really, I have been testing using a friend's computer. and am now using a dialup modem on my laptop to see if that makes any difference. Cheers • • • (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 10:28, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

Watchlist out of action?
I get the following every time I try to open my watchlist today. Has this happened to anyone else? A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from within function "wfSpecialWatchlist". MySQL returned error "1: Can't create/write to file '#sql_e08_0.MYD' (Errcode: 17) (wikidb)". Cheers. • • • (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 09:09, 3 November 2011 (EDT)

 * Peter, I just started to get this as well -- looking into it, thanks for reporting.--(WT-en) IBobi 14:40, 3 November 2011 (EDT)

 * The Recentchanges page also keeps giving a white page. This has been taking place for weeks. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 15:19, 3 November 2011 (EDT)

 * (WT-en) globe-trotter, see the comments above re: to fix recent changes - on your preferences go to the "Recent Changes" tab and make sure that "Days to show" and "Number of changes" are set to non-zero numbers. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:43, 3 November 2011 (EDT)

Watchlist should be back in action now -- please let me know if this is not the case for you.--(WT-en) IBobi 19:40, 3 November 2011 (EDT)
 * Worked fine when I logged on today. • • • (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 23:31, 3 November 2011 (EDT)

''The message above was swept in from the pub. (WT-en)  J ames A    >talk 04:38, 4 June 2012 (EDT) ''

Sitenotice
Hey Peter, I reverted your sitenotice change. If you're not aware of the discussion of its use at http://en.wikitravel.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Sitenotice#Link_to_Wikimedia_fork_proposal, there's the link. I have made clear the host's position on the use of the sitenotice and that it is not to be used for promoting or discussing a fork. This is a very unusual situation, but I believe my reasons are clear in that link. Thanks for understanding, --(WT-en) IBobi talk email 03:04, 20 July 2012 (EDT)

Notice from IBlegal
Please be advised your recent actions communicating directly with members of Wikitravel could put you in violation of numerous federal and state laws. We strongly urge you to cease and desist all action detrimental to Wikitravel.org. If you persist in this course of conduct, you will potentially be a named defendant, and therefore liable for any and all resulting damages.--(WV-en) IBlegal 14:51, 21 August 2012 (EDT)

 * Please be more specific with your accusations. Also please indicate where it is specified that any Wikitravel user is not permitted to communicate directly with other members of Wikitravel. If a detailed explanation is not forthcoming I will assume this is all bluff, and in poor taste as well. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) Talk 16:13, 21 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Another thing, who are you anyway? • • • Peter (Southwood) Talk 16:18, 21 August 2012 (EDT)
 * IBobi is duplicating himself. Just as he has at the RfC on meta. Bad form all around. 65.49.14.144 17:47, 21 August 2012 (EDT)
 * I assure you, the notice is from our internal legal department - I have personally verified the account. I believe this notice specifically refers to the unsolicited spamming of a large number of Wikitravel users' accounts via email and/or User Talk Pages. See Explanation of changes.--(WV-en) IBobi talk email 17:54, 21 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Can you explain why I should believe your assurances? Can you name a lawyer in your legal department who is prepared to accept responsibility for the notice? • • • Peter (Southwood) Talk 02:56, 22 August 2012 (EDT)

 * I have tried to start a discussion of this message at User talk:(WT-en) IBlegal. Pashley 00:35, 22 August 2012 (EDT)

Migration to Wikivoyage.org
Thanks for notifying me. I'm neutral towards the migration, but I'd be more than happy to contribute there once the migration is accepted and completed. Thanks --(WV-en) MKM 16:30, 31 August 2012 (EDT)

The intention is not to persuade you to join the migration or contribute on the new site, that is something you must decide for yourself, but some of us felt that since IB refuses to notify the community or let anyone else do so on the site notice, it was our duty to try to inform as many users as possible, so they will know what has happened if the wheels fall of after all the admins leave. It might be interesting to note that your message was censored by IBobi, but was restored by another user. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) Talk 12:59, 1 September 2012 (EDT)

Editorial note: This section was censored by IBobi on several occasions and restored by several users. Eventually I was blocked for restoring this content to my own user talk page. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 23:53, 25 September 2012 (CEST)

Contributing or not
I find it sad that some former members of the Wikitravel community make such a big deal about saying they're leaving, and then continue to troll here nonetheless (often as transparently anonymous IP editors). They ought to leave, and contribute elsewhere, or stay and contribute here, rather than this embarrassing hybrid of the two. Don't you agree?--(WV-en) IBobi talk email 20:32, 16 September 2012 (EDT)

 * Since your definitions of contribute and troll appear to differ so significantly from those of the previous community, I would hesitate to comment on that point. I maintain my contributions for the benefit of my friends and other users who currently use this site, since at present it is the only place they can access that information, on the fundamental principle of "The traveller comes first" on which this wiki was founded, and occasionally revert your obnoxious censorship of user pages. You may take that up as you will, since you appear to have no respect for the traditions and policies agreed by the community. I suppose that a few other users may be doing the same, but since I have not discussed the matter with them, that is only a guess. You may not have noticed, but there are a large number of people, myself included, who contribute to several wikis simultaneously, and find nothing out of the ordinary or embarrassing in that fact. • • • Peter (Southwood) Talk 04:32, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

 * Peter, if you were actually contributing here, it would not be an issue. But since your edits have virtually nothing to do with the editorial content of the site any longer, it appears you are only remaining here to try to interfere with site administration. If that's the case, then you should find a place where you can make a positive contribution. I'm sorry you are not able to find a place for yourself at Wikitravel any longer. Your historic contributions have been amazing, and your editorial and curation contributions are missed. But negative contributions, however you define them -- whether you agree or not with the way the site is run -- are unwelcome, and a waste of your time and mine.--(WV-en) IBobi talk email 14:11, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

Read this carefully and take it at face value, It is not a trick with words. There are no hidden meanings.

I log on, I check my watchlist. If there are changes I check them for vandalism. I revert vandalism. I consider interfering with edits on user pages of my colleagues which are against the wishes of the page owner to be vandalism.

If there are no undesirable edits on my watchlist, I do nothing and log off. Fortunately, there are seldom undesirable edits on the topics I maintain, so there is often nothing for me to do. All my edits are towards maintaining the usefulness of the site for the traveller, while there is no alternative. When there is an alternative available to the ordinary user (ie, traveller) I will no longer waste my time pumping out a sinking ship, as the passengers will be free to leave without loss.

The usefulness of my work to IB does not concern me one way or another. Your opinions also do not concern me one way or another. I hope this is now adequately clear. • • • Peter (Southwood) Talk 09:30, 20 September 2012 (EDT)


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The user page is a list of the dive region and site articles I have created and contributed to. It may not always be up to date.

The purpose is for data dump for backup by copy and pasting the article titles required into Special:Export and saving the resulting file. This does not save images.

To save all the Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay articles, select all titles starting with Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay. The resulting file will be quite large.

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Hello, Pburkholder! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thanks for the work on Annapolis! I don't know if you are interested, but our Chesapeake Bay article could use some expanding and sprucing up... --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:17, 25 May 2009 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Pcarnes

Hello!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. If you want to specialize your experience you may want to consider editing your preferences. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to the whole wiki community look at the wiki markup to get an idea of how to use the wiki markup. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 13:41, 7 July 2006 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Pcb21

Hello Pcb21!

We Welcome Wikipedians to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thank you for contributing to Istanbul. -- (WT-en) Huttite 02:11, 1 Feb 2005 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Pcbali

Hello Pcbali! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Hope to see some nice contributions to Bali - (WT-en) Sertmann 09:03, 8 November 2008 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Pcba-sqe3

Welcome
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User talk:(WT-en) PC Benin

Hello, PC Benin! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Thanks for adding information about Benin.

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Format
Please take a look at Project:Accommodation listings to see how we prefer to have information about hotels formatted. The format for restaurants and bars is similar. You can also look at other articles for examples. If you have questions, let me know. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 23:41, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Pceinos

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Yunnan
Hi! Thank you for your edits but i had to revert them due to several reasons. First Kunming is the city and it lays in the Kunming prefecture as the city itself is no region. Second, don't enter you signature in article, that's only necessary on talk pages. Third, please have a look about our style and regional structure before doing changes. If you want to do structural changes then discuss first on the relevant talk page as Wikivoyage is based on consensus. (WT-en) jan 07:13, 3 May 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Pclover

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Thanks for your edits to Park City (Utah)! Note, that per our Project:External links guidelines I've removed the listings for the restaurant guide - site policy is that information be included in the article and not linked to from the article, but otherwise your edits look great! -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:24, 11 June 2010 (EDT)

 * Just to re-iterate, links to external guides our explicitly called out the Wikivoyage site policies as something NOT to include in articles, so the Park City restaurant and dining guide should not be included in the Park City article. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:42, 11 June 2010 (EDT)

 * Ryan, thanks for the help. I didn't realize that guides were persona non gratta.

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User talk:(WT-en) PCVMarLodj

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Nice work on Mar Lodj! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:24, 1 June 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Pcvperlawrence

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 * Well done with the work at Colca Canyon. Please keep it up!--(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:54, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Pcvsenegal

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Hey Christopher, thank you for your Senegal contributions! As you have probably noticed, our Senegal articles are still pretty basic, so the attention is most welcome. One thing to be aware of is that all Wikivoyage articles have basically the same section headers ("understand," "see," "do," etc.), so it's best not to change them. Keep up the good work! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:25, 10 March 2009 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Pdadmin

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Please see Project:Don't tout for some of our guidelines on using Wikivoyage for promotion of a business. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:46, 14 August 2010 (EDT)

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