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Why were the kanji for "Kansai" removed? (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:14, 17 Jul 2004 (EDT)

市のレベルで、神戸と姫路をあげるなら、堺もあげるべき. 関東では、東京・横浜・千葉・川崎になっているので、政令指定都市はあげるべきだろう.

 * 堺の記事を書いたら喜んであげるよ. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:32, 11 Jan 2006 (EST)

関西
Kinki is more accurate than Kansai. To many people, Kansai refers only to Kobe, Kyoto, and Osaka. "Kansai" should be mentioned on a Kinki page. Not the otherway around.

 * In Japanese, yes. But in English "Kansai" is used a lot more 11,100,000 vs 4,640,000. (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:18, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

Eat
そば飯 is a relatively new invention, probably only around +/-10-15 years old.

 * Yeah, it probably belongs more in the Kobe article — a 難波っ子 friend of mine has never eaten the stuff. (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:32, 7 February 2007 (EST)

"Takarazuka - Famous for its all women theater"Perhaps all-female cabaret/review/performances better?

Misplaced on Map
I notice two locations are misplaced on the map: 1. Shingu - Shingu is the easternmost city in Wakayama Prefecture, but the map places it in Mie. 2. Mount Hiei is placed in Kyoto, but it should be in Shiga. The mountain and temple complex are part of Otsu which is in Shiga ChubbyWimbus (talk) 14:15, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Kyō-kotoba is «effete»
I am translating of the page into French, I don't known how to translate "elegant and effete Kyo-kotoba". Wiktionary gives two meanings: I searched a bit, but I could not find which one. Any idea? - Fabimaru (talk) 16:59, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Decadent, weak through self-indulgence.
 * Effeminate

 * "There are many subdialects, ranging from the elegant and effete Kyo-kotoba (京言葉) of Kyoto's courtiers to the gruff but imaginative gangster slang of Osaka, much favored by Japanese comedians." My guess is that if the other end of the spectrum is perceived as the language of some yakuzas with guns, tattoos and golden teeth and stuff, "effete" would mean the language of fine upper class ladies, geishas etc. in other words effeminate. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:29, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * This might be a bit too much stereotypical to say, but in addition to what Ypsilon said above, I guess there is some association with femininity or unmasculinity, despite the fact that Kyo-kotoba is also spoken by males. The dialect/topolect is also known to use euphemisms to a greater extent than others. Whym (talk) 12:33, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'm unfamiliar with the subject (and know about ten words of Japanese) and was just trying to analyze what the article said. :) ϒpsilon (talk) 14:12, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't use the word "effeminate", because I don't think people would necessarily view a male speaker as homosexual, but they might think it was odd or too polite. The Kyoto dialect is considered to be charming and beautiful for women to speak, though. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 17:14, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I think that I will only let "elegant" (in French) for now as I cannot see any word to express that concept. - Fabimaru (talk) 17:52, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Page banner suggestion
The current banner is of poor quality. Here is a new candidate. /Yvwv (talk) 01:12, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

 * I much prefer the current banner to this banner. These non-descript, uninspired "could be anywhere"-type of landscape banners are so boring to me, but I'm open to new banners. Kansai is the cradle of Japanese culture and civilization. I imagine the best banner reflecting that somehow. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 16:18, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

 * I agree with ChubbyWimbus (but don't have anything to propose, the region being large and diverse it's not easy to reflect several aspects in one photo). — Fabimaru (talk) 19:39, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

 * Looking for something more cultural. The current banner is conceptually good, but visually poor. /Yvwv (talk) 19:52, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

 * Yes, the current banner is actually far superior in content, albeit not in photographic quality. A quick look at c:Category:Kansai_region doesn't seem to offer any obvious alternatives? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 20:21, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

 * A second candidate from Nara, for which the only featured banners are close-up photos of buildings. /Yvwv (talk) 00:40, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Stumbled across this, I prefer banner 2, 3 and then 0. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:38, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * 0,3,2,1 Tai123.123 (talk) 22:15, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Kansai International Airport

A Lufthansa flight LH 0740 from Frankfurt, Germany, almost ended in a disaster, according to the passengers of Airbus 346. On May 11, 2006, the plane has already touched the ground, but the pilot suddenly lifted the machine in the air again to prevent the accident on the ground. The pilot reported a "misunderstanding" with the tower thus blaming the Japanese flight control for the (almost fatal) accident. DC.

Understand
It is number of domestic flights.

KIX : To 416 flights (per a week),20 airports. (Aug. 2006)

ITM : To about 560 flights (per a week),28 airports. (Oct. 2003)

NGO : To 679 flights (per a week),25 airports. (Aug. 2006)

Now,I don't get report about ITM,but, as far as I look at these numbers,I feel somethig incorrectness. (especially, "Note that "most" domestic flights in the Kansai region leave from Osaka's Itami Airport " ... I saw a phase like this,but I understand this is not "most".... On the other hand,about Chubu airport,for example,EK have flights from KIX and NGO to DXB everyday,it is more difficult for EK to draw passengers at NGO than KIX. (I'm sorry ,I don't find report or news in english.) So,number of passenger per one flight is less from NGO. As same, I don't feel something suitable this sentence "For convenient domestic connections onward, Nagoya's Chubu Airport is your best bet. ". At least,In the page of KIX,it is strange threr is a sentence that coparison with KIX and other airport....

I want to proofread these parts.

by 219.9.130.62 : 14:10 3 Mar. 2007 (JST)

 * I forget to write...
 * The capacity of KIX for depart or landing airplane is almost full among 9.00 am to 13.00 . (KIX was gived 30 slots for depart or landing for one hour.). But many airline wants to have right of depart or landing,so at this rime it is no apare for airplane wating area.     So, I don't feel something suitable this sentence, "the airport is somewhat underutilized ".

 * There is "No.1" and "other" in various things. But I don't feel that it is better way to explane comparison of another things.At least I don't understand why KIX's explanation needs other airport.

 * by 219.9.130.62 : 14:40 3 Mar. 2007 (JST)

 * These sentences, "Built on an artificial -(abbreviation)- is your best bet." ,I want to rewrite this part,

 * "Kansai International Airport was built on the soft ground under depth of the water about 18 m in south of Osaka bay,it is cause to needs some new construction technology and exorbitant costs.On the other hand,there is an airport already from some 10 km from Osaka,Itami Airport (ITM),Itami is nearer from Osaka city than Kansai, so it is a trend that passengers who fly domestic line make a choice flight of Itami departure and arrival.In fact,if you move to Osaka from another city of Japan (or from Osaka to another city of Japan),it may be convenience to choice Itami airport.By the way,they have about 59 domestic flights ,100 international flights in a day in Kansai airport."

 * If there is an another opinion, please inform.

 * by 219.9.130.62 : 22:40 3 Mar. 2007 (JST)

 * I changed sentences.

 * by 219.9.130.62 : 14:40 4 Mar. 2007 (JST)

Terminal originally Exacly One Mile Long?
A U.S. National Geographic documentary I recently saw commented that the KIX terminal was exactly one mile long, which would make it 1.609 km long. It would be interesting to know if this was the original plan, or it was actually built to this specification but lengthened in later construction. (WT-en) Cuvtixo 11:23, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

Also it would be nice to give some scale to the phrase "was built at exorbitant cost" English Wikipedia has an estimate of $20,000,000,000 (twenty billion U.S. dollars) In comparison, the estimated costs of the Boston Central Artery Project has been $22 Billion! ;) (WT-en) Cuvtixo 11:50, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

 * I'm sure you'll agree that the Big Dig's price tag was also pretty darn exorbitant... (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:15, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

Soft soils of the Osaka Bay
"The soft soils of the Osaka Bay are unable to support it, and the airport has been sinking into the bay under its own weight, initially at 50 cm/year but gradually slowing down to under 7 cm/year. Dikes have been constructed to protect it against tides." Is this germane enough to keep? I have my doubts. JRHorse (talk) 03:17, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Kansas

What an excellent start! Great job. --(WT-en) Evan 17:30, 10 Mar 2004 (EST)

Should Kansas City be treated as one city which straddles a border, like Niagara Falls? -(WT-en) phma 18:54, 10 Mar 2004 (EST)

Regions
Suggestion for (approximate) region article boundaries - to follow the overall boundaries of the following groups of counties:

Western Kansas:
 * Cheyenne
 * Clark
 * Comanche
 * Decatur
 * Edwards
 * Ellis
 * Finney
 * Ford
 * Gove
 * Graham
 * Grant
 * Gray
 * Greeley
 * Hamilton
 * Haskell
 * Hodgeman
 * Kearny
 * Kiowa
 * Lane
 * Logan
 * Meade
 * Morton
 * Ness
 * Norton
 * Pawnee
 * Phillips
 * Rawlins
 * Rooks
 * Rush
 * Scott
 * Seward
 * Sheridan
 * Sherman
 * Stanton
 * Stevens
 * Thomas
 * Trego
 * Wallace
 * Wichita

Central Kansas:
 * Barber
 * Barton
 * Clay
 * Cloud
 * Dickinson
 * Ellsworth
 * Harper
 * Harvey
 * Jewell
 * Kingman
 * Lincoln
 * McPherson
 * Marion
 * Mitchell
 * Osborne
 * Ottawa
 * Pratt
 * Reno
 * Republic
 * Rice
 * Russell
 * Saline
 * Sedgwick
 * Smith
 * Stafford
 * Sumner
 * Washington

Flint Hills:
 * Butler
 * Chase
 * Chautauqua
 * Cowley
 * Elk
 * Geary
 * Greenwood
 * Lyon
 * Marshall
 * Morris
 * Pottawatomie
 * Riley
 * Wabaunsee

Eastern Kansas:
 * Anderson
 * Atchison
 * Brown
 * Coffey
 * Doniphan
 * Douglas
 * Franklin
 * Jackson
 * Jefferson
 * Johnson
 * Leavenworth
 * Linn
 * Miami
 * Nemaha
 * Osage
 * Shawnee
 * Woodson
 * Wyandotte

Southeastern Kansas (Ozarks):
 * Allen
 * Bourbon
 * Cherokee
 * Crawford
 * Labette
 * Montgomery
 * Neosho
 * Wilson

WikiPedia:List_of_counties_in_Kansas has a map.

This is not a proposal to create guides for any individual counties; the purpose is to define which district guides cover which counties, so that when towns/cities etc articles are created they can easily be breadcrumbed directly to the correct district guides. ~ 203.144.143.8 15:44, 11 October 2006 (EDT)

"Notable and Popular Kansas Restaurants"
I didn't see the point of this list of restaurants. Perhaps it could be turned into an itinerary in future... --Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:37, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Jefferson's - 743 Mass St Lawrence, Kansas
 * Grand Central Hotel & Grill - 215 Broadway St Cottonwood Falls, Kansas
 * AJ's NY Pizzeria - 1930 Westport Dr Topeka, Kansas
 * Green Acres Pizza and Subs (locally nicknamed GAPS) - 4951 KS-268, Vassar, Kansas
 * The Olpe Chicken House - 8 E Hwy 99, Olpe, Kansas
 * Bunker Hill Cafe - Downtown Bunker Hill, Kansas
 * All Slabbed Up BBQ - 405 Muncie Rd Leavenworth, Kansas -- CLOSED
 * Slap's BBQ - 553 Central Ave Kansas City, Kansas
 * Smokin' Joe's BBQ - 519 E Santa Fe St Olathe, Kansas
 * The Down Home Family Restaurant - 1515 N Penn Ave Independence, Kansas
 * Bruff's Grill - 2640 W 18th, Emporia, Kansas
 * The Pizza Barn - 509 W 4th Ave Ashland, Kansas
 * Fritz's Railroad Restaurant - 250 N 18th St Kansas City, Kansas

The 21st amendment
In Drink, the article says:
 * "Kansas has three dry counties, and the state has not ratified the 21st amendment as of 2020."

I feel the mentioning of the amendment is annoying to foreigners. Should we have studied local law history before reading this article? To be useful, it should be explained, and I don't know whether it hasn't been ratified because it overturned the total ban or because it still allows dry counties, or a combination. Perhaps it should be replaced with a discussion on people's attitudes towards alcohol.

A few words might also be warranted in United States of America. It does mention dry counties, but doesn't mention reservations (I've understood those are dry) and doesn't discuss local attitudes in dry counties, or where getting non-dry has been a subject of conflicts.

–LPfi (talk) 08:26, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

 * I agree. Apart from the 1st and 2nd amendments, most non-Americans would have no idea what the 21st amendment is. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:54, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

 * In any case, the 21st Amendment is the law of the land, and it is of no legal significance that it was not ratified by this or that state. Besides, that amendment specifically leaves decisions on whether to allow or ban the importation of alcoholic beverages to states and territories. See Section 2 at this link. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:51, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Kansas City

Disambiguation
Kansas City (Missouri) is larger than its Kansas counterpart, but not sufficiently so to get to invoke the way-more-famous rule. --(WT-en) Evan 01:30, 22 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Missouri–Kansas state division
The article on Kansas states that Kansas City (Kansas) is the Smaller half of Metro Kansas City, which spills across the border into Missouri. By implication therefore, Kansas City (Missouri) must be the other half. This seems to imply to me that Kansas City is a single metropolitan area that happens to be divided by an arbitrary political boundary.

If this is the case, and given that WikiTravel is a travel site for inward visitors, and NOT a politics site, it would seem better to have a single Kansas City page, rather than two pages and a disambig page. Is an inward visitor really going to that care much that some attractions/hotels/whatever are in one state, and others in another?. -- (WT-en) chris_j_wood 16:19, 18 Jul 2004 (EDT)

It is one metro area, like many other bi-state metros (e.g. D.C., NY, Portland, etc.). Kansas City, MO is the central city and has the central business district, as well as the majority of the cultural and recreational attractions. Popular tourist destinations like the airport, Country Club Plaza, Westport, River Market, etc. are on the Missouri side of the metro.

The population of KCMO is 450,000, compared with 150,000 in Kansas City, KS (KCK). Including the suburbs, the entire region is around 2,000,000, 60% of which are in Missouri and 40% in Kansas. -- (WT-en) Erogers February 2005

 * Agreed, it's the same city, just managed differently due to a state border. Most information currently seems to be in Kansas City (Missouri), so could that be moved to Kansas City and Kansas City (Kansas) be turned into a redirect? -- (WT-en) Ryan 20:19, 10 June 2006 (EDT)

 * What about doing what we do for the Twin Cities and other metro regions: create a region article at Kansas City, and maintain individual city articles for KC, KS and KC, MO? --(WT-en) Evan 21:48, 10 June 2006 (EDT)

 * I'm not sure - while the Twin Cities or Dallas-Fort Worth are actually two distinct cities, and travelers are likely to recognize that Minneapolis is a separate (but nearby) location to St. Paul, my understanding and that of the contributor above is that there is no practical distinction between Kansas City (Missouri) and Kansas City (Kansas) and that it's an entirely administrative split. We've always followed the policy that the traveller comes first and that official divisions are unimportant if they aren't relevant for a traveler (see the many discussions about regional breakdowns) so I don't know that we need to create a breakdown here. Do you see an advantage to separate articles that maybe I'm missing?  I've been working all day, so the possibility that I'm missing something obvious is pretty high &-) -- (WT-en) Ryan 22:55, 10 June 2006 (EDT)

 * I think you misread the above statement. "It is one metro area ... Kansas City, MO is the central city ...". Typically we make a region article for a metro area and leave the "core city" as a city article (viz. Southern California and Los Angeles, Bay Area (California) and San Francisco). --(WT-en) Evan 15:04, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Coming in late here, but: In my opinion the TTCF principle argues that information should be both as useful as possible, and as painless to use as possible. By this principle, the indicated path seems to be to maintain information on both cities named Kansas City on this page, with redirects from the "state" pages and clarity within this page as to which side of the KS/MO state line a particular attraction is on.  There actually are practical differences between KC, MO and KC, KS (for example telephone area codes), but they're down in the noise for the traveler from afar who's only heard of "Kansas City," and our manual of style conveniently accommodates the area-code distinctions anyway.  I'm with Ryan: a single page covering both Kansas Cities (with descendant pages for important suburbs) seems best.  The solution is anomalous, but so is the state of having identically-named major cities separated by a river. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:39, 10 June 2006 (EDT)

 * What Bill said. KC,MO and KC,KS may be districts of KC, which (if it has to be just one) IsIn|Missouri. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 23:53, 10 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Evan, you seem to be the only dissenting voice at the moment, so I don't want to make any change until you've had your say. Are you OK with the arguments above for moving the Kansas City (Missouri) article to Kansas City and then making redirects to Kansas City for each of the state articles?  We can always turn the state articles into districts later if that's needed and appropriate. -- (WT-en) Ryan 13:20, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

 * I'm not 100% sure I buy the argument that "Kansas City is one city that stretches across two states." I think that conflates "city" with "metro region". I think the KC metro region spans two states, but my experience with Kansas City didn't have me hopping back and forth across the river to visit sights in both KC MO and KC KS. I spent most of my time in KC MO, and I never really got the feeling that the two cities were intimately integrated. That said, my experience in the area is pretty slim, and I'm sure those with more experience can give more details.

 * I agree that our guidelines suggest routing around legal definitions of place and having a more traveler-oriented definition. However, experience has shown that contributors often feel the need to re-emphasize legal definitions and boundaries. I think that, where there are legal boundaries, we should try to recognize them, and incorporate them into a larger framework.

 * If we really think of it as a "divided city", I think Bill's idea of Kansas City as a huge city with Kansas City (Kansas) and Kansas City (Missouri) as "districts" is a good one. I'm guessing the hierarchy would work something like this:

 * Kansas City Area -- metro region, isIn both Kansas and Missouri
 * Independence -- city in Missouri
 * Johnson County (Kansas) -- suburban region
 * Overland Park
 * Shawnee (Kansas)
 * ... other suburbs
 * Kansas City -- huge city
 * Kansas City (Kansas) -- district
 * Kansas City (Missouri) -- district
 * Kansas City (Missouri)/CBD -- district
 * Kansas City (Missouri)/Crossroads -- district
 * Kansas City (Missouri)/River District -- district
 * ... other districts
 * ... other districts

 * I think this'd make a good hierarchy. It preserves the legal boundaries for those who care about them, while giving a higher-level traveller-oriented understanding. --(WT-en) Evan 14:39, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

 * This should work, but KC isn't really a "huge city" on the world standard. I think the goal can be achieved by just calling it a single large city with the redirects. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 15:12, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

 * I don't like that plan. I don't think that they're one big city. I think there is a big metro region that includes KC MO as its core, and has a lot of satellite cities like Overland Park, Independence, and Kansas City, Kansas. Could we do this?

 * Kansas City Area -- metro region
 * Independence -- small city
 * Johnson County (Kansas) -- region
 * Overland Park -- small city
 * ... other JC suburbs
 * Kansas City (Kansas) -- small city
 * Kansas City (Missouri) -- large city

 * If it's important to get rid of the disambiguator -- I don't think it is -- I could see dropping the disambiguator from Kansas City (Missouri) as reasonable. --(WT-en) Evan 15:42, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

 * First off, apologies if the "only dissenter" comment came across wrong - I need to find a better way to say "in order to reach a consensus, we need to see if X would be OK with this proposal". When only one person has an alternate opinion they obviously become more important to a discussion as consensus demands their concerns be addressed before action is taken, so it's sometimes hard not to single someone out.  Anyhow, sorry about that.

 * My original comment about moving the article was motivated by the fact that I personally didn't realize Kansas City actually was (legally) two cities, and the fact that the Kansas City (Missouri) article (which I assume is written by people who know the city) has information about both the Kansas and Missouri side, while Kansas City (Kansas) is almost totally empty seemed to back the argument that from a practical standpoint it really is a single unit. A WikiPedia:Kansas City Metropolitan Area would be a good thing (we already have Greater Cleveland, Bay Area (California), and many other similar region articles), but the question of whether to make Kansas City (Kansas) a separate article still seems to be an open issue.  If you feel strongly that it should be separate I'd be OK with just removing the disambiguator for Kansas City (Missouri) and keeping the Kansas City (Kansas) article, but if you don't feel strongly then, based on the reasoning above, my preference would be to just have a single article and make the state articles into redirects. -- (WT-en) Ryan 16:09, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

 * I tested the idea of inserting an isIn tag in a city's district, with the isIn being linked to a different country. Even if there is a Kanasas City/Kansas district or something of the sort if Kansas City's (The main article) breadcrumb links back to Missouri so will the Kansas City/Kansas district even if someone changed the district's isIn tag to read isin: Kansas . Here's the result of my test - . - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 00:11, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

 * There are a few cases where the isIn code isn't perfect yet, but I think it's on Evan's to-do list to add support for cases where a place isIn multiple locations. In this case Kansas City isIn both Missouri and Kansas - see Lake Tahoe for another example of where isIn doesn't work quite right (it straddles the California-Nevada border). -- (WT-en) Ryan 13:20, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

 * There are two points, actually; a district done as a sub-page like City/District is always in the City . Also, if there are two "isIn" templates, only the first is recognized. I'd like to eventually fix both. --(WT-en) Evan 14:52, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

 * I don't think fixing the breadcrumbs is the main issue with these pages. The main issue is: where does the information go?  Yes, KC (MO) and KC (KS) are administratively separate cities, to a far greater extent than the arrondissements of Paris are.  A visitor trying to figure out where to eat, sleep, have fun, etc., doesn't know, care about, or need to know that administrivium.  He/she does, however, need to know where the information is, and ideally, to be able to get at that information as conveniently as possible.  Having the root Kansas City article be informative, rather than a disambiguator, strikes me as meeting that goal.  This isn't incompatible with other articles that reference the suburbs, nor with a Kansas City Area region for the two state articles to point to, if necessary; it just means the KC info is in the KC article, not split between Kansas City (Missouri) and Kansas City (Kansas).

 * Again, I recognize that this solution is anomalous. So, however, is the situation.  I'm not aware of any other pair of cities, anywere, that share a name across a major boundary, in such a way as to leave it unclear -- and unimportant -- to the first-time visitor where attractions are.  There's language in our guides about the "exception that proves the rule."  This is such an exception.  -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:21, 12 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Kansas City is one city that some bureaucrats decided to draw a state border through the middle of. (Why do else would the municipalities have the same name?)  The KC tourism agency treats it that way, scarcely mentioning that it lies in two states.  It's a bit like East Berlin and West Berlin... but if no one ever built a wall or asked for papers to cross between them.  I challenge anyone unfamiliar with KC to look at a satellite photo without map lines, and correctly identify where KCMO ends and KCKS starts.  (Hint: it's not the river.)  And unless there are big "You are now leaving the Missouri sector" signs on the ground, I doubt a typical traveler would be able to tell either.  It doesn't especially matter whether it's called Kansas City Area or Kansas City (one should redirect to the other), but that should be the main page for this destination (with the two municipalities serving as districts of it if the volume of informatin warrants it). - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 10:50, 12 June 2006 (EDT)
 * "A city is, in reality, the unit of travel guide geography. It's where you arrive to, where you go see sights, where you find a hotel, where you eat in restaurants, where you move on from when you're done. Wikivoyage's definition of a city is flexible: cities may be literal incorporated cities, but they can also be larger metropolitan areas with suburbs and satellite cities, like Los Angeles or Paris.... Where suburbs, satellite cities and villages deserve their own Wikivoyage entries is a matter of judgement -- probably depending on the amount of information about those places."  I've found Wikivoyage straying from (heck, ignoring) this guideline and becoming pedantically bureaucratic, and it concerns me.  One reason I've avoided working on the article for my own home city is that I don't want to have to haul out my city map to figure out which hotel or restaurant is in what municipality, and whether there are actually any cinemas or shopping malls within the city limits or do I have to create and refer people to articles about the suburbs for those, because even after 40 years here I still don't know (or give a damn) exactly where the municipality lines are.  They're all part of the same destination, and the day someone tells me to start dividing Grand Rapids (a city not profoundly smaller than KC) into a hierarchy including separate articles for East Grand Rapids, Kentwood, Wyoming, Walker, Cascade, Grandville, etc. is the day I give up. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 23:48, 12 June 2006 (EDT)

 * At the risk of re-igniting a somewhat contentious debate, where do we stand on this? As far as I can tell there are two opinions being expressed here: one is that Kansas City is two distinct cities, and another that it's one single city with an administrative line drawn through it.  The solutions being proposed are then:

 * Move the current "Kansas City (Missouri)" article to "Kansas City", and link to the "Kansas City (Kansas)" article as a district in the "Kansas City" article.
 * Move the current "Kansas City (Missouri)" article to "Kansas City", and make "Kansas City (Kansas)" a redirect to "Kansas City".

 * An additional discussion included the suggestion of creating a "Kansas City Metropolitan Area" article, but Evan's original comments included a "Kansas City" article within that region, so I don't think that suggestion affects the two options above. If I'm reading this discussion correctly there is agreement on moving the Kansas City (Missouri) article to Kansas City, so can we do that?  The remaining issue is then what to do with the Kansas City (Kansas) article (district or redirect).  If I'm misread this discussion and there is still disagreement over the "Kansas City" move I apologize, a day of programming has left my brain a bit frazzled. -- (WT-en) Ryan 20:21, 20 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Per discussion at lunch with Evan today there seems to be an agreement that the main article should be Kansas City. The remaining issue is then what is to be done with Kansas City (Kansas) - either make it a district of Kansas City, link to it as a separate city, or redirect it to "Kansas City".  I'll leave that for others to decide as I don't know the area well enough. -- (WT-en) Ryan 19:39, 22 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Sorry to join the discussion about 3 years late. And while I'm no expert, it appears a decision was made about 3 yrs ago about what to do regarding disambiguation between KC, MO, and KC, KS. While that's fine and dandy, the metro area has grown to the extent that when looking at the KC, MO, page, it looks a bit cluttered. I would agree with an earlier comment that KC (collectively) isn't "large" when compared on a world scale, but honestly, few American cities would if comparing them with the world. There are distinct districts in KC that the page needs to begin to be broken up. Just take a look at the Drink section...probably some cool spots that would be sad to see deleted. This can be remedied by creating district articles. I appreciate your opinions and hope to bring back the discussion...respectfully, -- (WT-en) Zepppep 22:28, 22 October 2009 (EDT) (WT-en) Zepppep

Bump
I agree with the prior arguments that Kansas City should be covered by one guide (districted or not), rather than split in two by the state boundary, which is simply travel irrelevant. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:03, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

 * It's worth noting too that the reality obscured by administrative divisions is driving the content of this article—locals have placed plenty of KC-KS material in this article, and significant content duplication is occurring. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:18, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

 * In the four years since this discussion started my opinion remains the same, and I'd still be in favor of turning Kansas City (Kansas) into a redirect. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:45, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

From someone that lives in this area, KCK and KCMO are not the same city in anyway. Part of the two cities are just divided by a line, but the downtown areas of both cities are removed by a two rivers. You could lump Shawnee, KS with Mission, KS (What we call Shawnee Mission) - Johnathan
 * My impression from discussions on Wikipedia is that the distinction between the two cities is important and is not purely administrative. (WT-en) LtPowers 14:11, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

 * I agree that it's probably a good idea to treat the city as simply one area from a travel perspective, but it is downright misleading to state that the city stretches from Kansas into Missouri, as the article lead currently states . I've found that it's a common misconception from people who don't live here to think that it's the same city, when it's not. Against the current (talk) 06:40, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Addendum: I realized that the wording is not as misleading as I assumed at first, but I will see what I can do to clean it up to make it more clear. Against the current (talk) 06:46, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Metro or just the two KCs?
Am I right in thinking this article covers only the combination of Kansas City, MO, and Kansas City, KS, and not the rest of Kansas City metropolitan area? Nurg (talk) 04:13, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * There are, at least, articles for Overland Park, Olathe, Independence, and Leavenworth. Is that what you mean? Texugo (talk) 04:18, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, exactly. Should those links be included in the Districts section or left out? Nurg (talk) 06:03, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article?

In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 06:39, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Yes. The current banner has a weird curvature. This banner is straight-on and a clearer picture. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:13, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Kansas City (Kansas)

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Talk:Kansk

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Comments
Kansk Station photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/38357093@N00/2340281716/ (copyrighted)

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Talk:Kantharalak

TAT Listings
I placed some TAT listings from the Province page at Talk:Kantharalak/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 16:57, 14 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Kantharalak/Listings

Amphoe Kantaralak

 * Khao Phra Wiharn National Park is covered in the Preah Vihear article.

'''Sisa Asoka. (ศีรษะอโศก)''' The chemical-free and Buddhism-devout community acquires over 100 rais area in Tambon Krachaeng. Sisa Asoka is community model in self sufficiency, turning it back to capitalism and prefer Buddhism-devout lifestyle. Its remarkable success attracts organizations from nationwide to study its story, and tourists to shop for chemical-free fruit, vegetable, and herbs from the village’s outlet. '''Namtok Phu La-or. (น้ำตกภูละออ)''' Situated in Phanom Dongrak Wildlife Sanctuary, Tambon Sao Thongchai, the small waterfall turns vibrant during September to February. Roundtrip trekking from parking area to the falls is 4 kilometres where tourist can enjoy nature trail featuring knowledge about plants and landscape. How to get there: Use highway 221 (Kantaralak-Pha Mor E-Dang) for 23 km, then use Ban Phume Sarol-Namtok Samrong Kiat Rd. for 8 km, turn right and keep going via asphalted road for 2.5 km to the parking area. Fruit Orchard of Sisaket.(เส้นทางเที่ยวชมสวนชิมผลไม้ศรีสะเกษ) Some 5 km from Amphoe Kantaralak, on the right of highway 226 (Kantaralak-Pha Mor E-Dang) there is a 20 km (16 km on asphalt road) cutting through villages such as Ban Thung Yai, Ban Thung Sawang, Ban Rongtachun, Ban Cham Muang, and Ban Nong Kao. These villages are significant fruit producers of Sisaket. Their major products include rambutan, durian, lanson, mangosteen, stink beam and rubber. Every June, fruit offspring from these orchards will be available, making it a very nice period to visit, tasting and buying the fruit directly from the plantation. The interesting orchards include rambutan plantation of Ban Cham Muang, durian plantation of Ban Sam Ki Lek, stink beam and year-round mango at Ban Nong Kao.
 * Chong Arn Ma. The border check point between Thailand and Cambodia is in Tambon Song, Amphoe Nam Yuen, Ubon Ratchathani. The check point, where border trade is allowed, is open every Tuesday and Thursday.

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 16:58, 14 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Kanto

I have heard that people in the Kanto region like natto better than do people in the Kansai region but saying that they think that it is actually edible is a little bit less than totally diplomatic in my opinion. I live in Greater Tokyo right now and I have natto about every day, and as a westerner I understand that it is a little hard to adjust to but I personally like it and so do most Japanese people I talk to, so in my humble opinion I think that it is quite edible, and from what I hear it is also very healthy.

Map
Someone whose Inkscape actually works might want to fix the map label and decapitalize placenames on this map. Onegaishimasu! (WT-en) texugo 12:04, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

 * I am creating it now.(WT-en) kambayashi 08:01, 17 August 2011 (EDT)

 * Looks nice! Thanks! (WT-en) texugo 11:22, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

 * Wow, nice work. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 20:26, 21 August 2011 (EDT)

City List
I've just removed Atami from the list, because it isn't even in the region, but I find it still to be a rather odd list and surprising considering it's Kanto. Mashiko may be interesting or an "other" candidate, but not a "Top 9". Others are questionable, too. To me, these are all worthy candidates: Maybe Utsunomiya. Gunma and Ibaraki don't have many major destinations. Gunma's newly added World Heritage sites would be good for "others", as well as some of its hot springs probably. Ashikaga would probably qualify as an "Other" with the Flower Park's wisteria having gained international attention and even making "Must see before you die"-type of lists. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 15:48, 25 May 2015 (UTC) At any
 * Tokyo (not really a "candidate"; it has to be here!)
 * Yokohama
 * Kawasaki
 * Kamakura
 * Nikko
 * Mito
 * Kusatsu
 * Saitama
 * Kawagoe
 * Chichibu
 * Narita

Dynamic map errors
What's going on with the prefectures in the dynamic map? --Bigpeteb (talk) 00:08, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Saitama isn't showing up at all, even though its WD item links to the correct OSM relation.
 * Tokyo is drawn as a blocky blob rather than following its correct outline. Its WD item also links to the correct OSM relation.

New banner
The current banner doubles for Tokyo/Shibuya. We should consider a unique one. /Yvwv (talk) 01:22, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Great new banners! 3, 2, 1 for me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:25, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Added a banner, and made the numbering more clear. /Yvwv (talk) 01:28, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Same as Ikan here ( 3,2,1 ) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:44, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Now that you've renumbered the banners and added two: 2, 4, 1, 3, 0. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:07, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Meant the same as well. 2, 4, 1, 3 and then 0/current. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:10, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * As for Tokyo (prefecture), we could consider a banner which is not from Tokyo. /Yvwv (talk) 03:56, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

 * Seemingly like everyone else, I like 2 the best. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 09:36, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Replaced the banner temporarily, as it was in double use. Still the vote is ongoing, and I would prefer a non-Tokyo banner. /Yvwv (talk) 15:55, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Your point about choosing something outside of Tokyo is well-taken, but the Hakone picture will likely be used in the Hakone article. If the current Shinjuku picture is not used here, it should definitely be put in the Shinjuku or Tokyo article. It is a much higher-quality photo. The other options are either also from Tokyo and/or are a bit lackluster to me. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 10:40, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

 * Are any of the Ashikaga Flower Park pictures good for the banner? That's one of the most famous Kanto sites outside of Tokyo that would look nice as a representative banner. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:36, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Good suggestion. I made one. /Yvwv (talk) 11:46, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Suggestion 2 would be an excellent candidate for Tokyo and even Japan (or articles such as Japanese phrasebook). Can we find another good Kanto banner not from Tokyo? /Yvwv (talk) 22:22, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Kaohsiung

There's quite a bit of stuff that's hardly specific to Kaohsiung (or even Taiwan) here now -- eg. the tips on learning Chinese (→ Chinese phrasebook), the legal requirements for getting a job (→ Taiwan and also a pointer in Teaching English), meal etiquette (→ Taiwan or even China), etc. Are you OK with me moving this stuff out? I don't want to get into an edit war here... (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:51, 7 May 2006 (EDT)

Oh come one walking in Kaohsiung isn't that bad! "tantamount to suicide"...However the article is right about the fact that pedestrians are "at the will of anything and everything around him or her". Fact is, in contrary to western countries where pedestrians usually have priority, in Taiwan, esp in Kaohsiung, if you are walking, then you are responsible for looking out for yourself. Taxis, scooters, and other cars will NOT stop for you (they might not even brake). (WT-en) orcalee 16:34, Dec 18 2006 (EDT)
 * Hi Orcalee. I have amended the text taking into account your views as well as my own thoughts on the matter (though it has been some years since I have been to Kaohsiung). I hope the result is acceptable to all. (WT-en) WindHorse 21:58, 18 December 2006 (EST)

Districts
Many districts have been created, and all of them are empty, except for Kaohsiung/Cijin. I don't think Kaohsiung is yet ready to be districtified, so what do we do with the content in Cijin? --(WT-en) globe-trotter 14:39, 16 November 2010 (EST)

 * I have merged all the districts back into Kaohsiung. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 22:26, 24 November 2010 (EST)

Hotel pic
That hotel pic seems boring. Keeping in mind the Image policy on photos of businesses, is there a good reason it shouldn't be removed from the article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:30, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I didn't remember I posted this, and just removed it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:05, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Distributing photos more evenly
I just removed the lead photo for being of poor quality and a photo of a hotel for being an uninteresting business photo. Right now, there are a number of photos bunched up, while there are no photos in the last couple of sections of the article. Fairly evenly distributing images is desirable and fits with Image policy. If anyone would like to do that, you'd be doing a service to readers. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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Suspect typo
from Correct typos in one click hoardes->hoarders? (omit) context: this place on the weekends when hoardes hoardes of young Kaohsiung couples head

 * In the context of a travel guide, "hoardes" is much more likely to be a misspelling of "hordes" than "hoarders".--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:53, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

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City or district?
So, is Zuoying a city in its own right, or just a part of Kaohsiung? Does it even need its own article? (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:25, 30 November 2007 (EST)
 * Zuoying is part of Kaohsiung City. There is not a great to deal to see, though it is the southern terminus of the High Speed Railway - so hotels and commercial centers are developing ... Needs its own article: 60 - 40 in favor (WT-en) WindHorse 09:57, 30 November 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Karachi/Archive

Listings
and not to forget...Zainab Market
 * Devils Point..at Clifton

First is not Pakistan

Are there street names in this city? Could someone maybe add at least the location of the attractions?

catlady989: Just wanted to xplain a bit abt Devil's Point...its actually a car/bike racing area....u can find some really sleek n sweet rides racing there!! btw i dont really know whether the races are legal or not but who cares!!! I believe its a must watch...n oh! the races mostly take place at night....

Listings, again.
It's great how many listings there are for restaurants and hotels, but we need more information on the individual listings! Addresses, phone numbers, and a one-sentence description from someone who's been to Karachi or lives there would be really helpful. Please?

Moving Sleep listings with insufficient detail.
I have moved these here from the main article. Perhaps they can acquire some detail before going back in as they are not much use at the moment. (WT-en) felix 09:23, 4 November 2011 (EDT)

Budget
 * Excelsior hotel, Inverarity Rd.

 * Falcon Hotel, Saddar.

 * Family Guest House, Phase vi DHA

 * Gulf Hotel, Saddar.

 * Gillani Hotel, Fatima Jinnah Rd, (near Railway St).

 * Hotel Jabees, Saddar.

 * Hotel Mona lisa, (near Railway St).

 * Paradise Hotel, Saddar.

 * Reliance hotel, Saddar.

 * Royal city, Sarmad Rd.

 * Sarah hotel, Saddar.

 * Hotel Sarawan, Saddar.

 * Hotel Shams, Saddar.

English language variety
I assume that all Pakistan articles should use Commonwealth English spelling (rather than US spelling)? --W. Franke-mailtalk 17:34, 4 October 2012 (CEST)(a neutral German!)
 * Not sure Frank but see this. --Saqib (talk) 17:36, 4 October 2012 (CEST)
 * Well I'm sure we don't want to use "Indian English" and I can't find an on-line "Pakistani English" dictionary so for practical reasons I suggest standardising on Commonwealth English throughout all Pakistan articles.

 * Also, your Wikipedia link currently says: "The type of English taught (and preferred) is British English, although the heavy influence and penetration of American culture through television, films and other media has brought in great influences of American English." --W. Franke-mailtalk 18:02, 4 October 2012 (CEST)
 * Yes, this is very much true. Don't know about American but British English have very heavy influence. --Saqib (talk) 18:06, 4 October 2012 (CEST)

"Hartal"?
What's a "Hartal"?

(Article currently has: "it's the area most affected during hartals,") --W. Franke-mailtalk 18:02, 4 October 2012 (CEST)
 * Ops why I didn't noticed it. Hartal is Urdu word means "strike". --Saqib (talk) 18:07, 4 October 2012 (CEST)
 * I'm sure I'll find that very useful to know here in Glasgow, Sir (huge grin) --W. Franke-mailtalk 18:15, 4 October 2012 (CEST)
 * I think the word hartal should be used, as it's common in South Asia, but define it in the stay safe section. JamesA  >talk 13:10, 5 October 2012 (CEST)
 * Don't think so, James. --Saqib (talk) 13:18, 5 October 2012 (CEST)

Universal Access Number (UAN)
http://www.ptcl.com.pk/pd_content.php?pd_id=138 does a poor job of explaining these.

1) Can these numbers be dialled internationally from outwith Pakistan?

2) Do they need the local area code pre-pended to them from within Pakistan?

3) Whatever the answers, we need to explain their format and use in the contact section. --W. Franke-mailtalk 16:45, 5 October 2012 (CEST)
 * Frank, these UAN can be dialed from outside the Pakistan with (country dialing code + area code + UAN), similarly from within Pakistan, these numbers can be dialed using (area code + UAN) even using mobile phone. See this. --Saqib (talk) 16:50, 5 October 2012 (CEST)
 * That's unusual - but very useful. Most country's Non Geographic Numbers (NGN's) don't work as cleverly as that. eg I can't dial a UK taxi firm from Germany by dialling 0044-0800-123-456 and I can't dial the Glasgow (as opposed to the Birmingham office) from Brum by dialling 0141-0800-123-456 I can only use the whole number from within the UK and always get the office local to where a  landline call originates. --W. Franke-mailtalk 17:01, 5 October 2012 (CEST)
 * You're talking about Toll free number (0800), these UAN are not toll free number. And by the way, even Pakistani toll free (0800 xxxx) can be dialed from outside the country (country code + 0800 xxxxx) but it depends whether the toll free number owner subscribed for international incoming call or not. --Saqib (talk) 17:11, 5 October 2012 (CEST)
 * Sorry, my example was poorly worded 'cos I did not wish to explain UK near equivalent or 0871 number - please replace 0800 with 0871 in my example (although some UK 0870 numbers can be dialled from some foreign countries). Seems Pakistan leads the world here!--W. Franke-mailtalk 17:17, 5 October 2012 (CEST)
 * In 99% of cases this is completely configurable by the subscriber at the destination number. Nothing world leading here. --Inas (talk) 00:37, 8 October 2012 (CEST)

 * Really? Which other country is there where the caller ( not the renter of the non-geographical number) can determine which part of the country his call terminates at by pre-pending that part of the country's area or STD code to the non-geographical number in question? --W. Franke-mailtalk 01:20, 8 October 2012 (CEST)

Copyright violations
Please note: The warning below is not aimed at any of our recent editors; I have better things to do than forensically examine the edit histories of our current article and I assume the (probably unwitting) miscreants have long departed. Nevertheless

I have just returned, rather shocked, from the Mitchell Library here in Glasgow. Unfortunately, while checking for some background in the 2008 edition of Lonely Planet's Pakistan, I encountered a number of passages eerily reminiscent of some of the passages in our article that I thought did not need any language polishing by me.

Please do not "copy and paste" whole chunks of text from other sources into our travel guide. For more detailed and nuanced guidance, please read here. --W. Franke-mailtalk 19:35, 5 October 2012 (CEST)

 * I just found out that few sections of "Pakistan" article were exactly copy pasted from here, very shocking. --Saqib (talk) 16:22, 6 October 2012 (CEST)

 * That book re-uses our content, not the other way around :-) --Globe-trotter (talk) 16:43, 6 October 2012 (CEST)
 * Oh yes, didn't noticed the blue links in the book. --Saqib (talk) 16:46, 6 October 2012 (CEST)

Embassies
(Moved from the user talk page of W. Frank by W. Frank since, as the notice at the top of that page makes clear, it's generally best to discuss edits to articles on the article's discussion page:)--W. Franke-mailtalk 18:34, 9 October 2012 (CEST)

Frank, i reverted some changes from you in the Karachi embassy section. I know you are from WP and that user pages are stuffed their with zillions of boxes. We don't like that here;-) For the British High comission its fine to list it with the UK flag. It's perfect to write in the text that they represent other nations as well but we don't need their flags. Flags are just an indicator and shall not overtake the information. Thank you for your understanding. Jc8136 (talk) 17:05, 9 October 2012 (CEST)

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I removed the following external link, but adding the information to the guide would be excellent.
 * Navagraha Temple Tour Route Map. Here is the link to temple route map for the travellers visiting Navagraha temples in Tamilnadu.

-- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 09:19, 10 November 2007 (EST)

Hierarchy
Should this article be repointed in the breadcrumbs to Pondicherry (union territory), since it's part of that territory? What best serves the traveller without unduly confusing editors? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:02, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I puzzled over this a while back, but given that the territory/states involved are subnational with their boundaries having virtually no effect on the traveller, I think that insisting on putting the oddly decentralized Pondicherry territory in the breadcrumb would essentially amount to insisting on an administrative hierarchy rather than a geographical hierarchy. Pondicherry doesn't even seem to have a "main geographical area" of its own; it's just very tiny enclaves in three states and its own page is barely more than a glorified disambiguation. Having just "Pondicherry" in the breadcrumb tells us nothing about the physical geographical location, and there are certainly not enough Pondicherry destinations to justify creating separate bottom-level Pondicherry regions under each state, so short of petitioning the Indian government to call off this silliness and put things in the state where they're located, I think the best thing to do is to give the breadcrumb to the state which surrounds a given enclave, with a disclaimer in the intro of each explaining that it is technically administered by Pondicherry. This should also apply to the other 3 Pondicherry destinations, and the Pondicherry page should be readapted as an extraregion, with its category removed. With a total of only 4 destination articles in this predicament and an extremely limited number of possible future articles, I don't think it is likely to become unmanageable. Texugo (talk) 11:13, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * That seems like a reasonable solution to me. Note this edit, though I don't think it would be controversial, anyway, because cities are normally excluded from "Other destinations". Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:52, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Suspect typo
from Correct typos in one click ascet->asset? (sound) context: ous lady who became an ascet ascet eous lady who became an ascet after a miracle related to mangoes.This festivity is iconic for the day where some people throw mangoes from the roofs to the streets, where a gatheri

 * Wrong. She took on an ascetic lifestyle. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:29, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Suspect typo
from Correct typos in one click alwas->always? (omit) context: junction where you can buy these alwas alwas as well as sweets like

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Spelling
Karakol and Karakul are both used in this article. Which spelling or/and pronunciation is more standard? (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 00:04, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Karakoram Highway

Warning box
We have a box saying there is a problem but it may be fixed by August 2010. Anyone know the current state? Did it get fixed?

We should either remove or update that box, but I do not know which. (WT-en) Pashley 06:16, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

 * Bump! Anyone have recent info? (WT-en) Pashley 23:44, 10 February 2012 (EST)

 * I do not actually know the status, but it seems time to take the box out anyway. (WT-en) Pashley 23:24, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

 * I have just read on the news about a massive landslide that stranded about 500 people and 100 vehicles []. Should it be mentioned? 200.252.135.74 13:52, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The landslide happened near Kashgar. Let it don't affect the whole article. It already mentioned in the article landslides do occur during this time of year so no travelling across travelling is possible. The borders are closed anyways these days. The warning box should instead go to articles of towns along the route that falls inside Chinese boundry and near Kashgar. --Saqib (talk) 14:11, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Hotels
The article currently has a "sleep" section with some hotel listings. Those should be moved to destination articles and deleted here. The whole section should go. (WT-en) Pashley 23:44, 10 February 2012 (EST)

 * I moved the obvious ones, but lack time to sort out the others. (WT-en) Pashley 23:53, 10 February 2012 (EST)
 * Pashley, lets lose the WT attribution. I realised most of the content was written by you before move and most of the other content added pre-migration was listings under "Sleep" section which has been deleted already. --Saqib (talk) 19:07, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Great idea! --118.93nzp (talk) 11:15, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

 * If it were clearly 100% my writing, then I'd be the sole copyright holder & could do anything I pleased with it, including putting a copy here without attribution. However, while I know most of the pre-move content was my writing, I'm not sure it all was. I therefore do not think we can "lose" the attribution while remaining within the license terms. Pashley (talk) 14:35, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, when you get some spare time, I want you to give it a look and you'll find that almost 100% content, if not exactly 100%, was actually added by you and the other added is no longer here. Btw, incase you're not aware but we had deleted many outline articles even though there were some content in them per Wikivoyage_talk:Deletion_policy. --Saqib (talk) 14:46, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Images
This image was recently removed with the edit comment of "what is the purpose of this image? there's plenty of jingle trucks in pakistan" ?

To make the article beautiful and informative?

Although each article is part of the world wide web and typically hyperlinked (both internally to other WMF pages and externally), I think we used to have a kind of unwritten rule that the print version is important and each destination page should be able to largely stand alone as a self sufficient article.

If that's right then, although it's indeed true that "there's plenty of jingle trucks in pakistan", the reader might not necessarily have looked at either our Pakistan or China articles before or after reading this article.

Personally I think the removed image gave the reader a good idea of the road width and environs - after all it gives a clear image that this is not a highway in the US meaning of the word... --118.93nzp (talk) 18:49, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * No doubt this road is one of the most spectacular roads in the world. Please feel free to re-add the image deleted and I want you to talk a look at this as well so you can find few more interesting images to be add in the article which will really gives "the reader a good idea of the road width and environs." --Saqib (talk) 19:07, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I have travelled this road as far as the control post before the Chinese frontier (many years ago). However, since I believe you are resident in Pakistan and have added much good material here, I'd much prefer it if you added the image back, Saqib. I'm most reluctant to be seen to edit war and would seek to persuade you by the power of my arguments instead... Thanks for your quick response! --118.93nzp (talk) 19:15, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅. --Saqib (talk) 19:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Saqib. I've changed the caption to what it is here (some readers might not understand "jingle truck") and increased the image size (for all readers that did not have a thumbnail image preference size of less than 150px set, by using the standard factor of preference size image syntax). --118.93nzp (talk) 19:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Removing "redlinked" towns
I was a bit puzzled by this edit which removed the internal linking syntax around many towns that do not yet have their own article.

Am I wrong in thinking that our current policy is to leave the il syntax intact so that they show red and act as a spur to article creation?

After all, most of these now-non-linked towns have commercial accommodation and are well defined and well known landmarks along the KKH in Pakistan... --118.93nzp (talk) 04:28, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I could be wrong, nzp, but I don't think there's a consistent policy on red-linking. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Fair enough, it's just that back in the deep mists of time gone by I seem to remember having a lot of my anonymous IP edits reverted for precisely that reason stated in edit summaries... --118.93nzp (talk) 07:04, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

 * It is a somewhat unclear policy, however when an article has 10 red links to towns it looks messy. If there are just a couple of red links then I guess it isn't really an issue, however people who create lots of links without any corresponding content are making the guide more difficult to understand and thereby hindering the traveler's understanding. Just my opinion since I don't have any authority around this. Andrewssi2 (talk) 07:15, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Wakhan Corridor
User:Pashley. I beleieve you added the information about Wakhan Corridor but I don't think its relevant here given that its not possible to travel through Wakhan Corridor. Do you mind if I remove the information. Second, I'm hoping to work on this itinerary in order to bring it up to possibly guide status so suggestions would be appreciated what information should be covered in "GO" section other than practical "getting in" information. I believe sub-sections titled place names would make sense. --Saqib (talk) 14:20, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Not guilty, your honour! I did write most of the Wakhan Corridor article and I do not recall if I put a link to it here, though I did in Marco Polo since he may have used that route and in Bactria since it connects there. The info box, though, is not my work & I'd have no objection to removing it. At most, the corridor might be mentioned in this article as a connecting route but I do not think even that is necessary. I'm quite content to let you decide on that if you are revising this article.

 * I started this article years ago & others have improved it considerably since. I'd love to see it brought up to guide and nominated as an OtBP or FTT feature but I cannot contribute much; more-or-less everything I know about the area is already covered. Pashley (talk) 15:05, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I moved the information to infobox but we may incorporate some of the lines in history section later as that section is not available right now. Glad you started this. No doubt KKH is one of the gem of Pakistan and I'll try my best to bring it upto guide status sometime soon. I know you won't be able to work on it since you been to region years ago and now things have changed considerably so lack of current knowledge but you can always help with "UNDERSTAND" section especially history. --Saqib (talk) 15:12, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Travellers accounts
While researching about KKH, I found some interesting accounts and tales of western travellers who recently made trip to KKH so I thought of listing them here, perhaps at some point I may incorporate some tips into this article. --Saqib (talk) 11:09, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Cycling of KKH by a British couple
 * An interesting overview of KKH by an American who was also detained by intelligence in Bahawalpur. Interesting enough!
 * Driving the world's most insane highway by a Canadian author.
 * How to driver KKH by a British female traveller.
 * A dark year in the Karakoram by a British.

Guide status
As I earlier said, I can work to bring this guide upto guide status but what I have learned from my nomination of World Heritage Sites Tours Sri Lanka for feature article is that while itineraries don't mention eating/accomodation listings as those information are covered in towns/cities along the itinerary route. But in this case of KHH, there're literary hundred of small and big towns along the 1,300km long highway and we don't have guide articles on any of them except a couple, which too are just outline. Given that, I don't think it would be possible to bring this upto guide status until we have atleast usable-status articles of important major towns. Am I right?

At the same time, I found Route 66, a previoisly featured itinerary, is very similar case. It doesn't mention any eating/accomodation listings but at the same time the articles of town/cities along the route are not in good shape as well. For instance: between Springfield to St. Louis, there're seven places and none of them are of usable level. So my question is whether I could possibly bring this itinerary upto guide status without having to work on places along the route as we did to Route 66 or no? --Saqib (talk) 13:18, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Is there a rule that all points on an itinerary have to be usable? I didn't know it and Itinerary status doesn't mention it. Also, if a town does not have a place to sleep it should usually not have an article in the first place. On the other hand, travelers reading this guide would of course very much appreciate that the articles of major cities along the road are as informative as possible.
 * For reference you might be interested in Natchez Trace Parkway and its FTT nomination. This is an itinerary that is ready or almost ready for FTT.
 * Ps. Karakoram Highway and the area around seems like an interesting and scenic place — I really look forward to having it featured. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:01, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I am not aware if any rule exists but I can agree that it makes sense to have articles atleast at usable status of major towns along the route. KKH is quite historical and popular both among local and foreign tourists so definately everyone would like to explore major towns along the route. Yes, Natchez Trace Parkway is a similar case but since that is drive itinerary, which make thigns dfferent. In our KKH itinerary, we will have to mention each and every mode of travel available. From cycling (many sources says KKH is one of the best and adventures cycling route in the world) to public buses to private vehicles. BTW this is not a typical itinerary article. So upon completion this won't be a FTT but a OfBP since KKH is a mjor attraction. Lonely Planet Pakistan guide book title was "Pakistan and Karakoram Highway" rather than "Pakistan" and they have extensively covered the KKH in much detail. --Saqib (talk) 19:04, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Modernizing
Yesterday was a major news for Pakistan. China launched a milti-billion dollar investment in Pakistan (China–Pakistan Economic Corridor) to modernize and improve the infrastructure of Pakistan. The project in Pakistan is an extention to proposed New Silk Road. So Karakoram Highway is going under a massive revamp. A new railway link and a expressway coming in few years. I wonder if it is okay to mention about modernizing of Karakoram Highway under GET IN section, most probaby using infobox template? I've done the same at Silk Road. --Saqib (talk) 12:31, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

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Useful Links
Official Website of District Kargil, Jammu & Kashmir, India http://kargil.gov.in/index.htm

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I alighted from the ferry but before I could walk 10 metres I was harassed by taxi touts.One taxi tout even followed me although I waved my hand that his service was not required.It seems that Tanjung Balai is a small town. I was on an errand that day and did not have the opportunity to explore the town. Prehaps, someone could tell me more in particular its night life.

bicycle ban
The piece advises you to take a bike (baisikel in Bahasa Indonesia) with you - but this turns out to be tricky. On the ferry route from Singapore Harbourfront to Tanjung Balai I was advised by the Indo-Falcon booking staff that no baisikel were permitted, as the ferry is small. They said the same rule applied to the other ferry company on the route, Penguin. So I went to Batam instead. Clyne R R, Singapore

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Talk:Karlštejn

Removed part of the following ''You can take a train from the main station (Hlavní nádraží) in Prague to Karlštejn. Trains run every hour starting at 6:25 in the morning (6:25, 7:25, 8:25, ...) For groups of 3 or larger the cost for a return ticket is 30kč per person.''

Some of the above no longer applies.

Best regards

(WT-en) Robert Friedrick Martim

Geographical hierarchy
I am still not sure how to deal with that correctly on Wikivoyage. For example, this article is little strange. Karlštejn is a small city (market-city) with the famous castle of the same name and some heavy tourist industry (over-priced restaurants, pensions, some commercial museums). It is very often targeted by tourists as a daytrip from Prague (by train, or probably more often, as an over-priced organized trip by bus as sold via tourist-agencies operating in Prague tourist trap areas). Svatý Jan pod Skalou is a different place, also interesting, less known, not part of the Karlštejn itself. And there are many other interesting places in the area (Tetín for example). In fact, the area around Karlštějn is a "national park" (not exactly, real "national parks" as defined by law in the Czech republic have higher level of protection, but this is probably not important for Wikivoyage, this place is "protected landscape area") Český kras. This area should probably have an article according to the "national park" template, listing all attractions there. like Karlštejn, Svatý Jan, Tetín, Americas... and so on. An article useful for someone hiking in the area.

Now, if such an article is created, should all information about the city of Karlstejn be in that article, or should Karlstejn have its own article (can cities be in parks, in Wikivoyage hierrarchy?). An independent article would probably be useful for people wanting to visit Karlstejn only (as many tourists do), without any hiking in the area.

I see three solutions:
 * a) an article about the "national park area" (for hikers etc.) + Karlstejn article (for a dedicated visit of Karlstejn)
 * b) the "national park article" only - it is probably not hard to include all Karlstejn information there (although it can be relatively large), Redirect Karlstejn to the park article. However many travelers wanting to read article about the popular Karlstejn only may find it confusing (get in and similar sections will be more complicated in the park article, looking up the information relevant for Karlstejn may be hard)...
 * c) leave it as it is, add any points of interest in the park area to existing or new city articles (Karlstejn, Beroun...). This way there will be no article about the park itself (which is a very nice to go hiking very close to Prague, so I think it is important).

There will be a similar problem with many areas in the Czech Republic. There are many important or interesting attractions that are either standing alone in the country or are part of some really small villages or towns (often with no commercial accommodation). And listing them all under some arbitrary larger cities nearby is confusing. Should the "national park" templates be used in such situations? (WT-en) Kyknos 14:13, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

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I like Karlsruhe! I visited there once for Linux Tag, and had a really great time exploring the city. Keep up the good work! -- (WT-en) Mark 17:06, 11 Sep 2004 (EDT)

"Most tickets have to be stamped upon entering a tram and controllers are quite frequent." As a guest student who has lived in Karlsruhe for two months now, I'd love to know who wrote this gem. In two months I've only run into ticket inspectors once, and my friends have told me they've never seen one in the same period of time.
 * Compared with other places, they are there quite often, and also in the middle of the night ... Sorry, I don't have any statistics on that.

Isn't Flammkuchen an Alsace thing?
In light of this edit, is the description and the comparison to pizza accurate? Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:27, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I think the original "similar to" is better than a "variant of". It is not really a pizza but if you had to describe it to someone who has not seen one I would use the word Pizza in the description. Although associated to Alsace it is also very common and traditional in BWB and RLP. --Traveler100 (talk) 08:07, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

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Karnak already exists within an appropriate article: Luxor/East Bank. Will create redirect. (WT-en) Paul James Cowie 15:47, 2 Nov 2005 (EST)

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I think that this would be the right template for it, but I might be wrong. Will fill in more --(WT-en) Ravikiran 04:49, 30 Nov 2005 (EST)

Copy editing needed
I have no time at the moment, so this is just a placeholder to mention that there are various places where capital letters should be removed. If you'd like to copy edit, wonderful. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:12, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

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So, I'm not particularly fond of the region breakdown for Karnataka, but I felt like it'd be better to do it now than to have sub-sections of the "Cities" section. If there are more traditional or conventional regions that people would know about, please replace the ones that are there now. --(WT-en) Evan 09:07, 28 Feb 2004 (EST)

Link to external sites?
How about linking to DreamRoutes?

 * Please see Project:External links. (WT-en) Majnoona 11:55, 5 July 2006 (EDT)

Name changes
Per The Times of India, several cities in Karnataka will soon have their names changed: Bangalore, Mysore, Mangalore, Hubli, Shimoga, Belgaum and Hospet will become Bengalooru, Mysooru, Mangalooru, Hubballi, Shivamogga, Belagaavi and Hosapete. I just wanted to make a note here, and point out once again that the article naming conventions expect us to use the most common English name, not the official name, whatever that may be. If these new names catch on, there's no reason not to change to them as they become more popular. --(WT-en) Evan 15:45, 1 November 2006 (EST)

Karnataka's divisions
WindHorse, I see that you've been reorganizing Karnataka to fit with its official divisions. I had noticed that Karnataka does have official divisions much like Maharashtra does, but had not reorganized for two important reasons:
 * 1) It puts Uttara Kannada in Belgaum division, while Udupi and Mangalore districts are in another division (don't remember, will check Wikipedia). That  is most annoying as they are on the coastline and they have a lot in common culturally and in things to see. (Trust me, I am from there.)
 * 2) The names are unnatural. Belgaum division does not make sense, while North Karnataka does. You will notice that while I have gone with the official divisions in Maharashtra, I have given the more commonly used names - Western Maharashtra, not "Pune division."

For these reasons, I think your earlier organization made more sense than this one. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 08:57, 27 February 2007 (EST)
 * Actually, not complete sense, but I really want coastal Karnataka to be retained. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 09:01, 27 February 2007 (EST)
 * For reference, here are the official divisions of Karnataka, from Wikipedia: Wikipedia:Districts of Karnataka — (WT-en) Ravikiran 09:05, 27 February 2007 (EST)

 * OK, I'll change it back. Actually, if someone else had coined the former names I would have left them, but as it was my arbitrary decision, I felt responsible to correct them according to the official titles. Anyway, thanks as always for your helpful and insightful feedback (and for saving me the trouble or relocating all the cities). (WT-en) WindHorse 09:06, 27 February 2007 (EST)
 * Wait, I'll do that. I have the handy rollback tool and it is easy for me! — (WT-en) Ravikiran 09:10, 27 February 2007 (EST)

 * Thank you. Thank you. I was just about to embark on doing it the hard way. (WT-en) WindHorse 09:12, 27 February 2007 (EST)
 * No problem! — (WT-en) Ravikiran 09:23, 27 February 2007 (EST)

''Note to all contributors: Please don't take this discussion to mean that the Karnataka division is finalized. It is still somewhat unsatisfactory. For one, Coastal Karnataka lists Belgaum, which is inaccurate, as Belgaum is not in fact on the Coast (till Global Warming swallows Goa). Please suggest more "natural" divisions here, but please discuss before changing. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 09:50, 27 February 2007 (EST)''

 * How about listing it under North Karnataka as it is next to Bagalakot, which is in that category? (WT-en) WindHorse 10:09, 27 February 2007 (EST)

 * Or how about dividing the state into 3 zones based on the physical features — Coastal Strip, Western Ghats and Deccan. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 06:30, 28 February 2007 (EST)
 * Which districts would the Western ghats region contain? I am well up on Karnataka's geography, but my rough understanding is that Malnad or Malenadu, i.e. the Western ghats, just form the eastern borders of the coastal districts and the western borders of some of the Deccan districts. (At least, we have a name ready for the region - Malnad, or Malenadu!) — (WT-en) Ravikiran 06:57, 28 February 2007 (EST)

 * WindHorse, thinking things through, the official divisions are not that bad except for the Coast bit. We could keep the Belgaum region minus Uttara Kannada and call it Northwestern Karnataka. (I've seen buses roaming around in Karnataka which are called "Vayavya Karnataka", i.e Northwest Karnataka transport, so it is semi official.) We could keep the Gulbarga division and call it North(ern) Karnataka. There is also a less unimaginative name for Coastal Karnataka - we could call it Canara (which is what the coast used to be called) or "Karavali", which is the Kannada translation for the coast and a commonly used word there. We can also keep the Mysore region minus Udupi and DK, and call it the Cauvery basin region, because I think that that is what it is, but need to do more research on that. Need to think of a name for the Bangalore division. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 06:57, 28 February 2007 (EST)
 * OK, the Bangalore region can be Karnataka/Central. There's only 1 problem, there'll just be 3 districts in Karavali, Uttar Kannada, Dakshin Kannada and Udipi. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 07:18, 28 February 2007 (EST)
 * P.S. Bagalkol, Dharvad, Haveri, Gadag, Bijapur and Shimoga can be Western Ghats. UK, DK and Udupi can be the Coastal districts. And all the others lie in the Deccan Plateau. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 07:18, 28 February 2007 (EST)
 * Are you relying on this map ?? If you are, then thou art misled young man, for district 4, i.e. Belgaum, does not lie on the coastline! It borders Goa! So the Western ghats in that case are to the west of Belgaum, not to the east! I was wondering why you added Bijapur to the list, because Bijapur is a dry deccan area, not Western ghats at all... — (WT-en) Ravikiran 07:36, 28 February 2007 (EST)
 * I'm slightly lost, but I like the idea of using more traditional names for the regions, like Cauvery Basin and Canara or Karavali. Unfortunately, I'm only really familiar with the southern part of the state, so I cannot offer any personal opinions regarding other areas. Anyway, let me know you decide, and I'll help with the cut and paste (though I may be out of action from the end of March for a little while). Thanks for your input. (WT-en) WindHorse 11:31, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Proposed division
Here is what we have so far. I copied from the Wikipedia page and reorganized. Feel free to comment and reorganize if consensus occurs. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 07:12, 1 March 2007 (EST)

 *  Bangalore Division Central Karnataka
 * Bangalore District
 * Bangalore Rural District
 * Chitradurga
 * Davanagere
 * Kolar
 * Shimoga
 * Tumkur

 *  Belgaum Division Northwestern Karnataka
 * Bagalkot
 * Belgaum
 * Bijapur
 * Dharwad
 * Gadag
 * Haveri

 * Canara or Karavali
 * Uttara Kannada
 * Dakshina Kannada
 * Udupi (district)

 *  Gulbarga Division Northern Karnataka
 * Bellary
 * Bidar
 * Gulbarga
 * Koppal
 * Raichur

 *  Mysore Division Cauvery basin or Southern Karnataka
 * Chamarajanagar
 * Chikmagalur
 * Hassan
 * Kodagu
 * Mandya
 * Mysore

 * Perfect. Don't name the Mysore division Southern Karnataka, let it remain Cauvery Basin. Have a redirect instead, that would be good. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 07:27, 1 March 2007 (EST)
 * Seconded. Let's put it on the page. (WT-en) WindHorse 11:32, 1 March 2007 (EST)

Romanization
It's mentioned that idli is often romanized as idly or iddly. Has anyone here ever encountered such a sp - I've never come across these variations. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 07:47, 4 March 2007 (EST)
 * idly yes, iddly no. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 08:11, 4 March 2007 (EST)
 * You're from there, so I'm changing it right away. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 08:15, 4 March 2007 (EST)

Regional structure
The state is now split on five region articles which in turn are split in a number of district article corresponding to the administrative division. However, most of the district article have very limited content. Furthermore, only one of the five regions have enough city articles to justify the further subdivision in districts. Do we really want all these almost empty district articles? Or could we have districts only for the one region (Karavali) with many cities and leave the other fire regions without any further subdivision? (WT-en) ClausHansen 02:56, 6 January 2010 (EST)
 * I think it is useless now to have these empty district. (WT-en) Sissou 04:00, 6 January 2010 (EST)
 * Is that a reason to have an H2 level "Sleep" section with listings? --W. Frankemailtalk 09:46, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Please be more specific. Which article(s) are you discussing? The regional articles being discussed in this thread? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:01, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes.
 * For example, Northwestern Karnataka is still a stub and so are its districts of Bagalkot, Belgaum, Bijapur, Gadag and Haveri. Even Dharwad (district) has a paucity of listings. --W. Frankemailtalk 20:48, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I think some people have confused districts with the cities of the same name. Gadag (district) is a disaster, and Dharwad (district) isn't much better. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:25, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

1st-order section "Wildlife Hotspots"
I think this is just a 2nd "Other destinations" section, and that the number of "Other destinations" + "Wildlife Hotspots" - currently 11 - should be reduced to 9. Should we do the obvious and delete the red link and the non-linked temple, or would any of you who know the state recommend another lineup of 9? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:15, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

"Other destinations" moved from article
Articles at the state level are supposed to have no more than 9 cities listed and no more than 9 "Other destinations" listed. There is no reason to try to fill articles at this level with exhaustive or very detailed information - they're just overviews. And there are still more than 9 "Other destinations," so the list needs to be pruned further.

Some of the entries below can be moved or merged to district articles:

 * Sri Manjunatha Swamy Temple (shrine of Lord Shiva) at Dharmasthala, Belatangadi Taluk, Dakshina kannada district ranks first in attracting devotees, tourist of all classes. It is located in Western Ghats, includes beautiful sight seeing spots.

 * Anshi National Park - 340 sq km area located in Uttara Kannada District.

Bandipur National Park and Nagarhole National Park adjoin each other and are separated by the Kabini Reservoir.

Bandipur National Park and Nagarhole National Park in Karnataka, Waynad National Park in Kerala and Mudumalai National Park in Tamil Nadu are part of the Nilgiri Biosphere Reserve which is the biggest contiguous Protected areas in South India.

Wildlife Sanctuaries Project Tiger an initiative for Tiger conservation in India is active at Bandipur National Park, Anshi National Park, Nagarhole National Park, Bhadra Wildlife Sanctuary and the BRT Wildlife Sanctuary.
 * Dandeli Wildlife Sanctuary - administered as part of the adjoining Anshi National Park.
 * Bhadra Wildlife Sanctuary - located in Chikmaglur and Shimoga Districts.
 * Biligiri Rangaswamy Temple Wildlife Sanctuary (BRT Wildlife Sanctuary) - located in Chamarajanagar district shares the border with Tamil Nadu. This unique destination is located at the confluence of the Western Ghats (runs parallel to the Arabian Sea on India's West Coast) and Eastern Ghats (runs parallel to the Bay Of Bengal on India's East Coast) and hosts eco-systems unique to each Mountain Range.
 * Ranibennur Blackbuck Sanctuary - located in Haveri district for the conservation of blackbucks (a species of antelope).
 * Pushpagiri Wildlife Sanctuary - located in Kodagu district.

Karnataka is also home to various Bird Sanctuaries
 * Ranganathitu Bird Sanctuary - located in Mandya district of Karnataka. This bird sanctuary is famous for its storks and kingfishers. Located just three kilometers from the historic town of Srirangapatna and around 16 kilometers from Mysore.
 * Bankapura Peacock Sanctuary - located in Haveri district of Karnataka. The Star attraction are the Peacock in all their glory. The Peacock is India's National Bird. The sanctuary was created specifically for the conservation of Peacocks.

Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:52, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

 * For the record, there are now 9 "Other destinations," with "Wildlife hotspots" as a subheading within the section. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:05, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

 * However, Manipal and Belur are cities (though Manipal is covered in the Udupi article), so they don't belong in "Other destinations" which are supposed to be non-city destinations. So we need to decide what to substitute for them when they are removed from this list. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:07, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

 * I went ahead and moved them to the "Cities" list, which now has 9 cities, so 2 of the "Other destinations" entries above can be added to that section, but which ones would be best? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:59, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Hill stations
Moved from Karnataka:

Hill Stations
The Hill Stations in Karnataka are largely unexplored and pristine when compared with the other well known Hill Stations in South India.
 * Coorg or Kodagu - a cool and green hill station located in the mountainous areas of the Western Ghats section situated in Karnataka. Coorg is also the source of the river Kaveri.
 * Nandi Hills - a scenic hill station at 1478 meters above sea level and located just outside the capital city of Bangalore after the Kempegowda International Airport.
 * Kemmangundi - a beautiful hill station, 1434m above sea level. It is located 274 Km from Bangalore.

Hill stations are cities, as per Talk:India. We could discuss whether any of these should be listed in Karnataka instead of any of the 9 that are currently listed, or they could be mentioned in passing in a See section that is in prose. I made a stab at one in India. I doubt it's close to perfect, but its structure is more in keeping with the spirit of Region article template than Karnataka currently is. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:22, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Cities and other destinations
Right now, there are 10 cities and 25 other destinations, which clearly violates wv:7+2. Which should stay and which should go? I haven't been to Karnataka before so I'm not sure which should stay and which should go. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:45, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

 * User:Ravikiran r, User:Prof tpms, User:DaGizza, User:Csyogi and User:Matroc, any thoughts? Based on the articles, it would seem that Ramanagara is the odd one out. However, Manipal redirects to Udupi, which should be in the section, instead. Belur has important sights and the Sakleshpur article is more developed and has more and more varied content than the one for Ramanagara, so based on that, I think it should stay, but it's definitely possible that I'm being too influenced by the current quality of some of these articles, rather than the potential for their future development, as I've never visited this state. I'm assuming the bigger cities all belong, but I could stand to be corrected. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:58, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

 * I have visited two of the cities and one of the "Other destinations" on the list (Bangalore, Mysore and Bannerghata National Park), all of which I support keeping. I also lean towards removing Ramanagara. If Manipal is replaced with Udupi, it has received the lowest number of pageviews on Wikivoyage over the last 7 years. To compare, on Wikipedia Belur receives less |Ramanagara|Sakleshpur|Belur,_Karnataka pageviews but I believe it is more significant from a travel perspective and the southeast corner of Karnatake is crowded with destonations if you look at the map. Gizza ( roam ) 00:14, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

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Suggestion for Merge Under "Karon" as a Town Listing
Alot of the accomodation, drinking, eating, transport information for Karon Beach, Kata Yai Beach and Kata Noi Beach can almost be considered interchangeable. According to some of the business cards I gathered whilst staying off Kata Noi, the region is considered by the locals at least as being part of the Karon township (ie the place I was staying in had an address ending "Kata Road, Karon, Muang Phuket 83100".

I realise that the beaches may be known for different activities and the rest, but for most travellers headed in this direction, I would think that having the majority of the information detailed across all three pages combined into one for "Karon" (and the redirect from "Kata" pointed at it) would serve users better. If needed, pages for each beach, individually, could be kept, but as attractions more than townships. --(WT-en) Lucanos 11:18, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

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Comments
Suburbs like Karori should be district articles of their city. That means they should be sub-pages, not separate article titles. However, I am not sure that Wellington qualifies as a Huge city just yet. That means Karori information should be in the Wellington article. - (WT-en) Huttite 02:47, 27 February 2009 (EST)

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Copied from the article page
I like to come and see this city I wounder what is the population of this city now. Are any of the old settlers still there or they all left. Once I was told that the pretties women lived in this city and now I think it is just ruins that is remained, I am from this city and that is why it is so presious to me.

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Talk:Kashgar

Anyone else want to punch China in the face as much as I do? Retarded – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 10:02, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

 * This is happening in all the Confucian countries, although China did seem to have smartened up and backtracked a bit, until this came up. But "progress" trumps all - unfortunately by the time they realize it doesn't, it will be too late, just like Japan. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 10:27, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Kashmir Valley

Naming and split
While I really hesitate to wade into this mess, I think we've mostly got it right, and this article should be turned into a disambiguation:

 * The Indian side of the LOC is Jammu and Kashmir.
 * The Pakistani side of the LOC is Azad Kashmir.

It's incorrect to describe eg. Srinagar as the capital of the "disputed territory of Jammu and Kashmir", because the use of the word "J&K" is in itself an Indian POV. Instead, Srinagar is the capital of J&K and the largest city in the disputed territory of Kashmir. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:59, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Ooh, just realized that this is supposed to be about Kashmir Valley, not the whole thing. So why not rename it as "Kashmir Valley"...? (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:18, 15 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Wait, you mean you don't remember your own trivial one-time edit from well over a year ago ? :)
 * I fully agree with that renaming plan. The current scope of the article is, as you say, somewhat misleading.   - (WT-en) Dguillaime 15:49, 16 August 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Kata

Suggestion for Merge Under "Karon" as a Town Listing
Alot of the accomodation, drinking, eating, transport information for Karon Beach, Kata Yai Beach and Kata Noi Beach can almost be considered interchangeable. According to some of the business cards I gathered whilst staying off Kata Noi, the region is considered by the locals at least as being part of the Karon township (ie the place I was staying in had an address ending "Kata Road, Karon, Muang Phuket 83100".

I realise that the beaches may be known for different activities and the rest, but for most travellers headed in this direction, I would think that having the majority of the information detailed across all three pages combined into one for "Karon" (and the redirect from "Kata" pointed at it) would serve users better. If needed, pages for each beach, individually, could be kept, but as attractions more than townships. --(WT-en) Lucanos 11:18, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

TAT Listings clutter
Moved the following TAT listings here that cluttered the main page:

Eat:

 * Ratri Jazztaurant Kata Hill, (0 76333538-9) www.ratrijazztaurant.com

Sleep:

7/1 Ket Khwan Road,Karon,Phuket 83000, (Tel: 0 76370999 Fax: 0 76370900 www.phuketnalinal.com), 140 rooms: 3,700-25,000 baht
 * Alpina Phuket Nalina Resort & Spa, Kata Beach (อัลพีน่า ภูเก็ต นาลีนา รีสอร์ท แอนด์ สปา)
 * Andaman Cannacia Resort & Spa (อันดามัน คาเนเซีย รีสอร์ท แอนด์ สปา) 113/16-18 Patak Road, Tambon Karon (Tel: 0 7628 4211-4 www.phuket-cannacia.com), 113 rooms: 2,500-6,000 baht
 * Bell Bungalow 1/2 Patak Road (Tel: 0 7633 0858, 0 7633 0111),16 rooms: 100-300 baht
 * Boat House Inn (โบ๊ตเฮาส์อินน์) 2/2 Patak Road (Tel: 0 7633 0015-7, Fax: 0 7633 0561, Bangkok Tel: 0 22464121 www.boathousephuket.com), 36 rooms: 8,000-15,000 baht
 * Bougain Villaea Terrace House (โบแกน วิลเลีย เทอเรส เฮาส์) 117/1 Patak Road (Tel: 0 7633 0087, 0 7633 0139-40, Fax: 0 7633 0463), 35 rooms: 1,750-4,200 baht

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 22:03, 15 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Kata Noi Beach

Suggestion for Merge Under "Karon" as a Town Listing
Alot of the accomodation, drinking, eating, transport information for Karon Beach, Kata Yai Beach and Kata Noi Beach can almost be considered interchangeable. According to some of the business cards I gathered whilst staying off Kata Noi, the region is considered by the locals at least as being part of the Karon township (ie the place I was staying in had an address ending "Kata Road, Karon, Muang Phuket 83100".

I realise that the beaches may be known for different activities and the rest, but for most travellers headed in this direction, I would think that having the majority of the information detailed across all three pages combined into one for "Karon" (and the redirect from "Kata" pointed at it) would serve users better. If needed, pages for each beach, individually, could be kept, but as attractions more than townships. --(WT-en) Lucanos 11:18, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Katherine

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Comments
Permission Hi I'm Lex, in regards to all Northern Territory information I have added, you may notice that some of the text I am adding appears in another website eg travelnt.com, that is because I am the original author. --Lex 11:39, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

title: Talk:Katherine