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Talk:Nevada

Moved from article, probably irrelevant to travellers:

Mining
The first mining boom in Nevada started with the discovery of the "Comstock Lode" near Virginia City in 1857. Since then, gold and silver deposits have been discovered and mined throughout the state. Production has followed a characteristic boom-bust cycle, with booms occurring from about 1857 - 1895, 1936 - 1943 and 1985 - 1998. Production of strategic metals (antimony, arsenic and tungsten) boomed during World War I and World War II, but is currently negligible due to foreign competition. In 2002, 11% of world gold production was in Nevada, as was about 2% of silver production.

Agriculture
Nevada is home to about 500,000 cows and 100,000 sheep, virtually all of which graze on Federally-owned land for at least a portion of the year. Cows are generally rounded up twice a year to be moved between ranges (mostly by truck), and new calves are branded and castrated. Cows not designated for herd replacement are shipped to feedlots to be fattened for slaughter. Although Nevada rangeland is better suited to sheep production (due to their lower water requirements and greater winter-hardiness), higher market prices for beef support the continued dominance of cattle production.

There are approximately 200,000 acres of irrigated farmland growing alfalfa and grass hay in support of the ranching industry. Some of this hay is exported from the state, where it is prized for its high sugar content due to slow growth rates. Irrigation water is drawn from snow-melt from the eastern slope of the Sierra Nevada and the Great Basin ranges. Small quantities of other crops are grown, including cantaloupe and onions.

-- (WT-en) Nils 09:19, 23 May 2004 (EDT)

I propose moving the desert travel stuff into a separate article. Any objections or suggestions on the article title? "Driving in the Desert" would be my suggestion. -- (WT-en) Nils 09:28, 23 May 2004 (EDT)

 * I agree. It is all useful stuff but doesn't really fit where it is --(WT-en) Nzpcmad 16:14, 23 May 2004 (EDT)

 * Totally agree too. Death Valley; Mojave Desert in California, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico are a selection of US-centric places which could use an article.  Go Nils! -- (WT-en) Colin 18:12, 23 May 2004 (EDT)

Regions
Looks like this could be broken down into regions. Wikipedia breaks them into: Does this seem right to anyone familiar with the area? Any better suggestions? (WT-en) Fastestdogever 23:35, 4 March 2007 (EST)
 * Great Basin
 * Mojave Desert
 * Lake Tahoe
 * Las Vegas Valley

 * It's okay. Would it help to lump Southern Nevada (LV, Searchlight, Jean, Lake Mead) together with maybe subregions under it including the Vegas Valley?  How do you plan to fit the Carson Valley and Reno in?  I think the most aggravating part of dividing the rest of Nevada up is that, from the perspective of the traveller, each major highway corridor (93, 95, 6, 50, 15, and 80) essentially makes a region -- but we can worry about that once we have a Great Basin region.  Also, Nevada counties suck something fierce as regions. -- (WT-en) Colin 23:54, 4 March 2007 (EST)

 * Just about every map I can find divides NV up like this. Good enough for a start?  (WT-en) Fastestdogever 11:01, 5 March 2007 (EST)

That works for me. My reading of that map gives the following divisions by county, but I don't have names for these regions: -- (WT-en) Colin 19:29, 6 March 2007 (EST)

 * 1) Region 1: Carson City, Douglas, Storey, Washoe
 * 2) Region 2: Elko, Humboldt, Pershing plus the northern half of Eureka and Lander
 * 3) Region 3: Churchill, White Pine plus the southern half of Eureka and Lander
 * 4) Region 4: Esmeralda, Lincoln, Lyon, Mineral, Nye
 * 5) Region 5: Clark
 * Note: Carson City is not part of any county.
 * Note: Eureka and Lander are divided along a line connecting the southeast corner of Pershing to the southwest corner of Elko.

 * The names I've found for these seem kind of cheesy. (WT-en) Fastestdogever 14:22, 7 March 2007 (EST)

 * 1) Reno-Tahoe Territory
 * 2) Cowboy Country
 * 3) Pony Express Territory
 * 4) Pioneer Territory
 * 5) Las Vegas Territory

 * GAH the cheese! Southern, Northern, and Western seem like useful names.  But what to name Region 3 (US50/Pony Express corridor) and Region 4 (Area51).  Maybe include 4 and 5 as "Southern" and subdivide into 4 off as "Clark County" or something, and then name 3 "central"?  That would get us four regions (1. Western, 2. Northern, 3. Central, 4+5: Southern). -- (WT-en) Colin 14:55, 7 March 2007 (EST)

I've created a map & the regions. If it seems right I'll start creating the region pages. (WT-en) Fastestdogever 21:18, 7 March 2007 (EST)

Nevada's counties tend to be geographically irrelevant except to sex tourists desperately needing to know where Clark and Storey counties end; so let them consult their hooker handbooks. I think most people experience the state as two metropolises and several transportation corridors. Hardcore travelers learn to appreciate what's between those corridors.

So we could mention the Reno/Carson/Tahoe and Vegas metropolises and send people to the articles. Next write up transportation corridors US 95/395, US 93, and I-80.

Finally write up the big blocks between corridors: (1) Nellis AFT/nuke testsite/Area 51, (2) the North-South mountain/basin region from Nellis etc. north to I-80, including US 50. (3) everything north of the I-80 corridor. Eight regions in all. Not bad for such a big state. (WT-en) LADave 16:00, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

 * By the way, you've been doing great work -- thanks. The nice thing about county boundaries is that they are well defined.  Let me give an example -- my home city of Fremont is sometimes part of the South Bay, the East Bay, or the Silicon Valley.  People kept trying to move it to their favorite region.  We solved that problem by simple saying it is in Alameda County which is clearly true and unambiguous.

 * We didn't choose the current region breakdown based on county lines. It just happens that we used a common breakdown we'd seen elsewhere, and it happens to use county lines for the most part (note that there are exceptions!).

 * I for one am willing to look at other proposals. Just be sure your proposal is well-defined so that it will be easy for us to figure out which towns go into which region. -- (WT-en) Colin 02:46, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Hi Colin Nice to meet another Nevada travel fan!  Your point about places getting moved around between arbitrary districts is well taken.  Hmm.  Well, I think the transportation corridors pretty much are what they are.  Ambiguities I can think of would be towns like Ely at intersections.  But we could solve that with an Ely article.  Or if U.S. 50 and U.S. 6 aren't written up as corridors, Ely can only go into the U.S. 93 corridor.  Counties may have their own ambiguities.  Of course towns and cities don't wander, but mountain ranges often cross county lines.

 * OK. Greater Las Vegas could be the same as Clark County, taking care of I-15, Lake Mead and the Colorado River below it, Laughlin, Spring Mountain, Red Rocks, Valley of Fire and a few others.

 * Greater Reno would be Reno/Sparks, Carson City, the Nevada side of Lake Tahoe and the slice of the Sierras in Nevada and Virginia City.

 * I-80 corridor includes Lovelock Winemucca, Battle Mountain, Elko, Wells and Wendover, and the Truckee and Humboldt Rivers.

 * U.S. 95 corridor has Beatty, Goldfield, Tonopah, Hawthorne, Walker Lake, the Walker River I.R. and Fallon. Then it multiplexes with I-80.  In the northern part from Winemucca to McDermitt there's the Santa Rosa Range and Fort McDermitt, including the I.R.

 * U.S. 93 corridor would have Cathedral Gorge, Pioche, Ely, Wells and Jackpot.

 * Southwest (west of US 95) Death Valley, S.R. 266 across Lida Summit, White Mountains, U.S. 6 to Montgomery Pass and Boundary Peak, the East Walker River and Sweetwater Mountains, Topaz Lake and the West Walker River.

 * Northwest (west of US 95 and north of I-80) Pyramid Lake, Black Rock Desert (Burning Man), High Rock Canyon, Sheldon Wildlife Refuge.

 * Southeast (east of US 93 and south of I-80) GBNP and Snake Range, Schell Creek Range.

 * South Central - Nellis AFB, Area 51, Nevada Test Range, Extraterrestrial Highway (S.R. 375), Quinn Canyon and Grant Ranges. U.S. 6 could be described here.

 * Central- Toiyabe/Shoshone Range, Berlin-Icthysaur S.P., Big Smoky Valley, Toquima Range and Mt. Jefferson, Ruby and East Humboldt Ranges, and whatever outher mountains people want to write up. Also U.S. 50 (Austin, Eureka)

(WT-en) LADave 14:58, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Northeast- Independence Mountains, Matterhorn Range, Jarbridge, upper Owyee River, Duck Valley I.R.

 * Just to throw a monkey wrench in.... the Project:Geographical hierarchy guideline says stuff should be divided into 5 to 9 subregions. The subregions can have subregions though. :-) -- (WT-en) Colin 15:03, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

 * OK, so how about this arrangement:

(WT-en) LADave 03:52, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Cities
 * Vegas and Clark County
 * Reno/Sparks/Carson City
 * Highway Corridors
 * US95
 * US93
 * I-80
 * Hinterlands
 * Southwest
 * South Central
 * Southeast
 * Central
 * Northwest
 * Northeast

My main problem with this is that two of those top-level buckets aren't regions, but categories; we can't write a meaningful region article about "the two big cities in Nevada". Meanwhile the real geographical regions are being shunted off into "Hinterlands". What about identifying the two metro regions and drawing the other regions around the highways... ...then within these regions we could identify subregions based on geographic features (e.g. Humbolt River Valley, Snake River Range, Big Smoky Valley), metro areas of smaller cities, and/or more specific compass headings (e.g. Northwest) if necessary. -(WT-en) Todd VerBeek 09:04, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Las Vegas Area
 * Reno Area
 * North Nevada (I-80 and north)
 * East Nevada (US-93 and east)
 * Southwest Nevada (US-95 south of Reno)
 * Central Nevada (US-50 and anything else that isn't close enough to another highway)

Regions 2
Todd VerBeek's proposal might work for US93 and US95 south of I-80, but the region north of I-80 is simply too big. The NW corner of the state is about 120 miles from I-80.

Counter-proposal:

 * Reno with links to Lake Tahoe and Carson City.  Add sections for Washoe Valley, Virginia City, Topaz Lake.
 * Las Vegas, link to Lake Mead National Recreation Area and add sufficient coverage of Henderson, Laughlin, Red Rock Canyon, Spring Mtns/Mt. Charleston, Desert NWR/Sheep Range, I-15 corridor
 * US 95 corridor (including Death Valley, Nevada Test Site, Nellis AFB, White Mountains, Goldfield, Tonopah, Walker Lake, Sweetwater Mtns, Fallon)
 * US 93 corridor (including Estraterrestrial Highway & Area 51, Cathedral Gorge S.P., Great Basin NP and Snake Range, Schell Creek Range, Ely, Ruby and East Humboldt Ranges, Jarbridge town and wilderness, Jackpot)
 * Central Nevada (including US 50 corridor, US 6 corridor, Stillwater/Clan Alpine/Desatoya Ranges, Toiyabe/Shoshone Ranges, Berlin-Icthysaur S.P., Big Smoky Valley, Toquima/Mt. Jefferson, Monitor Range, Quinn Canyon/Grant/White Pine Ranges, State Routes 305 and 278)
 * I-80 corridor (includes truck stops and other travelers facilities, Rye Patch SRA, Winemucca, Battle Mountain, Carlin, Elko, Wells, Wendover. Link to Pyramid Lake, Ruby/Humboldt Ranges)
 * Northern Nevada (includes Pyramid Lake, Black Rock Desert/Burning Man, High Rock Canyon, Sheldon NWR, Pine FOrest Range, US 95 from I-80 to McDermitt, US 140, Santa Rosa Range, Independence Mountains, Duck Valley I.R.).

Seven regions. (WT-en) LADave 12:39, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

Brothels
Based on this site's Sex tourism policy, unless it's changed in the latest round of discussion at Wikivoyage talk:Sex tourism policy - where there seems to pretty clearly be no consensus to change it - specific listings of brothels and mentions of specific names of brothels would seem to require deletion. Your thoughts? Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:14, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

 * I think deletions of listings are required based on clear policy established over 10 years now.
 * That doesn't mean that the description text cannot be rewritten in order to refer to the existence of these establishments, but listings themselves and contact information should be excised. I'm under the impression that someone who really wants these services would refer to sources other than WV anyhow :) Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:20, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

 * It sounds like we differ inasmuch as you think mentioning names without listings is within current guidelines, whereas I think that only the fact that legal brothels exist in X, Y, and Z Town should be mentioned. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:57, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

 * Actually, no difference. I mean to say that "Town X is known for a few brothels in the Y area". Armed with that information someone can further research those places elsewhere on the internet, or otherwise just avoid that particular area. Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:04, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

 * Does anyone have any objection to my deleting all brothel entries and mentions of the names of specific brothels? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:16, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

 * Done. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:43, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Mecca?

 * "Las Vegas is the mecca for gambling..."

This looks about as odd as the phrase "as cold as Hell". Mecca is known for the Hajj pilgrimage, not for gambling and vice. K7L (talk) 08:58, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

 * Mecca is also defined as: "Any place considered to be a very important place to visit by people with a particular interest. " However I agree that the expression "mecca" can sound pretty silly at times. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:22, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

 * Mecca in this sense is also on the list of words to avoid so I'd say to remove it. Texugo (talk) 14:17, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * A similar discussion can be found at Wikivoyage_talk:Words_to_avoid. --Saqib (talk) 14:19, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Texugo, in the discussion Saqib linked, you explicitly mentioned Las Vegas as an example of a true mecca. It appears to me that the consensus from that discussion is that "mecca" is fine when describing a destination that actually does represent a pilgrimage of sorts for people with a particular interest; it's only a word to avoid when describing something much more mundane.  Powers (talk) 16:04, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * So I did! Haha... Well, I still think there are probably less cliché ways of expressing the idea, but I'll leave it to others to decide. Texugo (talk) 18:07, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

"Lonliest Highway"
It says this on the static map. Shouldn't it be "Loneliest Highway"? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 17:02, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Typo is fixed. Depending on how quickly the page cache clears, you may need to refresh the page to see it. -Shaundd (talk) 16:50, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it showed up right the first time. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 01:45, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Colorado/Nevada border?
The main map of Nevada has Colorado on its northern border where Idaho should be. 72.205.32.178 02:48, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

 * You're right. That's very strange. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:36, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Newark

Most famous?
I'd wager that Newark, NJ is much, much more well known than any of the others here. Any objections to moving this to Newark (disambiguation) and then adding a disambiguatory note to the top of the NJ city article? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:45, 6 January 2011 (EST)
 * The NJ one is probably the most famous but not so much more so, see the page views from the discussion 4 years ago on Wikipedia though note that the town in England does have a specific name (Newark-on-Trent) that I moved it to its still often called just "Newark" and that's the name of the parish. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:14, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Would be surprised if this wasn't the only Newark with an international airport.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:31, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Talk:Newark-on-Trent

Newark was a royal stronghold during the civil war. The reference to a parliamentary stronghold is not correct.

____

I deleted Posh Nosh as, sadly, it's closed. They still do sandwich deliveries to businesses though. - ratgeek

And yes, as I understand it, it was a Royal stronghold.

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Talk:Newark (New Jersey)

I reverted a number of links added to this page that weren't in accordance with our external links guidelines. --(WT-en) Evan 00:17, 19 Mar 2005 (EST)

Disambiguator
See Talk:Newark. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:45, 6 January 2011 (EST)

Websites

 * Visitors Guide
 * GoNewark city listings
 * Newark Pulse city listings
 * Newark Downtown District city guide
 * Newark Landmarks

Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:42, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Naked links to other guides
I am not going to insist on text warning people not to confuse Newark Penn Station with New York Penn Station, though I think it could help travelers. But I would like to see an argument that naked links to other guides are somehow acceptable under External links. Not allowing these kinds of links is core policy here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:07, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Map
For anyone who wants to help, inserting a useful map is an obvious task on the way to making this a Guide-status article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:13, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

District map
Is it bad if I make a district map even if it is not a huge city? --MacftraxMC (talk) 17:55, 28 March 2016 (EDT)

Guide Status?
What are some revisions/improvements we should make to the article so that Newark can get to Guide Status? MaRoFu (talk) 00:44, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

 * I'd say we could use some solid listings in Buy, and geocoords on listings that need them in Do and Eat. A mapmask based on the map that has just be removed would be really useful too. Ibaman (talk) 01:05, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Newark (Ohio)

Hope this is a good start for Newark. I'll contribute more when I get some resources together.

 * It's great! Thanks for the good start! --(WT-en) Evan 03:40, 30 May 2004 (EDT)

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Talk:New Braunfels

New Article
Yeah, so I just went tubing in NB again and decided to make an article. It would have helped us to know some of this info ahead of time. Figure I can save someone else the trouble. Since all we did was tube and eat, it's very tube-centric. It would be really cool if someone ponied up with useful info on Schlitterbahn and local history. (WT-en) Jordanmills 10:30, 24 July 2006 (EDT)

I'll add some info from a local POV, but I'll leave tubing and the rest of it to y'all... Funny, I've lived here for 30 of my 35 years, but I've never tubed the river. (WT-en) JeffreyCentex 18:06, 2 February 2007
 * There's plenty of things in Houston I haven't done. Par for the course I guess.  What do you think about Gruene being in there?  Other locals I talked to said they wanted it kept small. (WT-en) Jordanmills 19:50, 4 February 2008 (EST)
 * Don't know.. Gruene (with the Gristmill and Gruene Hall) is one of the top tourist destinations outside of the river.  As for it being a separate entry, I guess it could be, but since it isn't a real "town"/city, I'm not sure about the policies here on making a new page.  Gruene.(WT-en) Jeffreycentex 21:19, 4 February 2008 (EST)

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Talk:New Brunswick

There is now New Brunswick (New Jersey). Should this be disambigged? -(WT-en) phma 06:58, 17 Feb 2004 (EST)

chiaque
I think we should capitalize the name of any kind of speech. Wikipedia uses Chiac, and for a description of rural Acadians, rather than the dialect, "Chiac" (or "Chiacque" for women). Shall we adopt their usage? Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:29, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It is standard in English to capitalize languages, dialects, nationalities and ethnicities. That is not the case in French. It is likely that this was imported from a French-language source without making the capitalization correction. Ground Zero (talk) 19:28, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:53, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah it was one of the strangest things I noticed while learning French. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:36, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It's common to all Romance languages, and it's not strange to me because "no adjectives are capitalized" makes sense, just as "all nouns are capitalized" is a great rule in German. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:47, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Newbury and Thatcham

Added paragraph about West Berkshire, as this term may confuse visitors. -- (WT-en) chris_j_wood 17th May 2004

Removed External Links: see Where did the "External links" sections go?' (WT-en) SHC 21:46, 23 April 2006 (EDT)
 * West Berkshire Tourist Office
 * ClickNewbury.com

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Talk:Newburyport

This article is marked as BOTH a guide level and a usable level article.

It does not contain anything under UNDERSTAND (apparently removed as copyright vio), also nothing in several other categories (get around, buy, get out). I am removing the guidecity template instead of the usable template, since that appears to be appropriate status. Also adding a cityguide template. --(WT-en) Bill in STL 20:01, 23 August 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:New Caledonia

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:New Caledonia/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.

de bancoule''', can anyone shed some light on this? (WT-en) GSchjetne

Hiéngène
I deleted an article for one "Hiéngène," for which I found scant evidence indicating that it should have an article. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:31, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

Referendum
Did the referendum on independence happen? I suppose not. Has it been scheduled? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:05, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

 * An exact date hasn't been scheduled, but the government has promised to hold it in 2018. President-elect Macron has committed to sticking to that timetable. I've updated the article accordingly. —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:23, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Super! I checked New Caledonia and it didn't appear to have been meaningfully updated since 2011 or so. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:32, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

12 or 24 hour clock here
Do we put 12 or 24 hour clocks in NC? Spelling is definitely Australian english but I'm unsure of the time. SHB2000 (talk) 22:32, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * New Caledonia is part of France, so it's likely that the 24-hour clock is used. Australian spelling is identical to British spelling.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:42, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It's half British, half American. I'll still put Australian English as that's what's most used in NC. SHB2000 (talk) 22:48, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Really? What American spellings are used Australia, apart from the "Labor" Party?--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:51, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It's confusing with the -se and -ze. We say commercialise but we also say sanitize. It's probably the hardest type of English to learn, and it's near impossible unless you studied primary school in Australia. --SHB2000 (talk) 22:53, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Also with infrastructure as well. Doesn't this look like a Californian Freeway in LA except the this is the other side of the road? And this is a a sign that looks like a US city freeway (next three exits, User:Ikan Kekek can confirm this), The use of very high freeway route numbers as well as culturally being closer to America than Europe overall. (La Perouse may be an exception ;) )SHB2000 (talk) 23:09, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Those signs do look like U.S. highway signs. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:27, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Never seen them in NSW or Qld but I wish they were here as well. Only seen them in Victoria (and they exist in WA - including link, according to my mum who's a frequent visitor to WA). SHB2000 (talk) 01:01, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Are the interstate routes called “freeways” in New York? In California they are freeways, but on the East Coast I’ve heard “highway” and “turnpike” instead. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 01:24, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In the west coast, I've always called it the Interstate, but when at the east coast, always call them freeways (including for good interstates like I-95 or I-4). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:27, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Funny, the opposite. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 02:57, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:30, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Newcastle

There used to be two separate disambig pages for "Newcastle" and "New Castle". I've just combined them, making New Castle a redirect.(WT-en) Pashley 02:34, 24 October 2009 (EDT)

Move to Newcastle?
Currently, our page at Newcastle is occupied by the one in Australia. I would question whether that city is "so much more famous" than its namesake, Newcastle upon Tyne in England (usually known as just "Newcastle" when unambiguous); in fact, I strongly doubt it.

I suggest, like Birmingham, that this disambig be moved to Newcastle, and that the city in Australia be moved to Newcastle (New South Wales) (currently a redirect). Also, we don't have to always follow Wikipedia, but I note that Newcastle hosts the disambiguation, with the NSW city at Newcastle, New South Wales.

Will post a link to this discussion at Talk:Newcastle. Please give your thoughts below. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:51, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

 * Worth noting that the Australian city was moved from Newcastle (New South Wales) in 2021. A discussion was underway, but no consensus reached before the move. The main reason for the move seems to have been to make the title of potential future district articles shorter.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:11, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * As the one who moved this, I support moving this back. I don't think we'll have districts for Newcastle as our Newcastle article only covers the City of Newcastle (somewhat organised like Greater Brisbane) but if we were to have a district-like structure, I think I'd favour having a Greater Newcastle article instead of splitting Newcastle into districts.. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:33, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for replying. ✅ --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:33, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Also agree, on Wikipedia there has been more support for treating Newcastle upon Tyne as primary but I don't think there is a primary topic give the number of others. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:13, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:New Castle (Delaware)

This seems to have been copied in part from http://www.riverfrontwilm.com/attractions/reed.html. --(WT-en) Evan 15:16, 19 Nov 2005 (EST)

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Talk:Newcastle (New South Wales)

Reading on Newcastle
A good article for further research -  -  (WT-en) Ctbolt 19:25, 17 February 2007 (EST)

Article Clean Up
I'm going to attempt to plunge forward and update this article a fair bit.

To begin, I've removed a couple of very outdated entries:

 * Open 10AM - 5PM Tuesday to Sunday (also open Monday in school and on public holidays). Free admission.

 * Held every Sunday from 9AM-3PM, feature produce, art and crafts from the Newcastle region.

Newcastle Regional Museum is being re-established where the Honeysuckle Markets were once held, but work seems to be happening rather slowly so I think it can be left out of the article entirely for the time being.

I'm new at this - so please let me know if I'm doing something wrong! --(WT-en) Influink 09:09, 6 March 2010 (EST)

 * Looks good so far! (WT-en) Texugo 09:15, 6 March 2010 (EST)

Replacement banner?
I'm against replacing banners when the existing banner is acceptable, but I happen to be in Newcastle today and took the proposed shot by the beach.

I think the existing banner has some sort of stretched panoramic effect which I don't really like, and also doesn't show many features.

My proposed version has a higher resolution, shows the nice coastal road and 'seems' higher quality to me. Andrewssi2 (talk) 10:19, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

 * I'll go ahead and do this for the reasons stated above. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 20:27, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Districify article?
I am proposing that we add districts to Newcastle. Currently, the only Australian non state capital that has districts is the Gold Coast, but I think it's time to break up Newcastle as well. Not only is this getting too big, but this is also getting biased towards the city centre. You can even see that the 16km freeway (A37) that runs through from north to south is nowhere to be seen on the map. If we gain some consensus, I'll try and find out some borders of the districts, but IMO, this is well long overdue. Newcastle also goes quite far south, and I think up to Belmont, so it is a fair bit south. (for those who don't know where, just zoom out of the map and go a bit south and you'll find it. It's 2021 population is also ≈450000, so making it the 7th largest city in Australia.

Any thoughts, ideas, or supports, or opposes?

--SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:53, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

 * I'd tend to trust you, but about how many listings would you expect there to be in each district? Perhaps you should decide on borders for your proposed districts first? Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:55, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Minimum 20 in each district. For the first bit, Newcastle/City Centre would be the first one. The second one is already present, and that is Maitland (New South Wales). I'm still doing some research, and I'll ask some locals from Newy to see what they say. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:19, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:22, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, would do we have articles such as Newcastle (New South Wales)/City Center, or will we have to make the disambiguation into Newcastle (disambiguation) and the Newcastle (New South Wales) page into Newcastle? As far as I know, the Newcastle in the UK and Canada isn't that notable compared to Newcastle NSW. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:33, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * There are lots and lots of places called Newcastle or New Castle, but I don't think any is as big as this one. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Plenty in the US and the UK. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:31, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * There are also such places in other languages: Neuchâtel, Castelnuovo Berardenga. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:34, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * So here's what I found and am proposing:

 * I think this is enough. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:40, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm also moving this page to Newcastle since no other Newcastle is as big as this one. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * My mistake: Newcastle upon Tyne is bigger. How do we handle that? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That has a population of 250k, but this has 400k, so this is still bigger. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:33, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * From this article:  The second largest city in the state of NSW and sixth largest in Australia, Newcastle city had a population of 153,000 and the suburban area of over 500,000. From Newcastle upon Tyne: It has a population of 250,000 but including the surrounding urban area its population is almost 1 million. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:55, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 150,000 is just the city centre, and not greater Newcastle to my understanding. Here's a source of the current population. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:21, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * even have a look at List of cities in Australia by population SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:22, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Alright. And at Newcastle upon Tyne: According to the ONS, Newcastle had a population of 293,000 in 2015.[215] Tyneside (made up of Newcastle and the surrounding metropolitan boroughs of Gateshead, North Tyneside and South Tyneside) has a population of approximately 880,000, making it the eighth most populous urban area in the UK.[216] The wider metropolitan area of Tyneside-Wearside has a population of approximately 1,122,000. I think we need to have a wider discussion in order to come to a decision about whether either Newcastle is overwhelmingly more prominent than the other. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:39, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, I don't mind which Newcastle dominates over others. But to me, it seems odd having Newcastle (New South Wales)/City Centre. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:30, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

reviving this, but, I might put this on hold until after Sydney is featured on the main page. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:27, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

 * This long later, I've finally managed to workaround a solution to this. Instead of having various districts to Newcastle as a whole, I've incorporated a "Greater Newcastle" section on Hunter, and if the Hunter region does ever require subregions, those four articles can be moved to Greater Newcastle (currently a redirect). This is, in my opinion, better than having city + districts. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:12, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Move this (back) to Newcastle (New South Wales)?
I am proposing to move Newcastle (disambiguation) to the slot occupied by this article, i.e. Newcastle. This city's article would then be moved to Newcastle (New South Wales).

This is just a notification so that interested editors may know of and give their opinion on the proposal. I have made my argument at Talk:Newcastle (disambiguation) and invite you to leave a comment there.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:54, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Banner
Current looks like any one of NSW's beachside settlements. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:07, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Both good, but I prefer Banner 1. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:17, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I slightly prefer banner 1 as well. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 16:20, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I think I liked the image at 0 better, but 1 is more descriptive by showing more of the town, so 1. Vidimian (talk) 12:21, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅. Turned out better than I thought. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 00:26, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Newcastle (Washington)

Redirect?
I'm not sure that Newcastle meets our article criteria. It may be best to redirect it to the nearest town that does. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:40, 8 March 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Newcastle and the Hunter

Hmm, I'm not sure if this fits under Project:What is an article?. At first I was thinking a winery might be like a resort-- sometimes you do actually stay there, but those are more spa/B&Bs that happen to be part of a winery. I'm pretty sure this would fit better as an attraction ("Do") or day trip ("Get out"). What city/town is it near? thanks (WT-en) Majnoona 17:37, 28 Mar 2004 (EST)

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Talk:New delhi

Merge
My hunch is that this content should be merged to Delhi. But perhaps district pages should be created for the city, and this be moved to New Delhi? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:54, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:New England

Sorry, I wasn't aware of the policy about not linking to secondary sources. As far as I know, Wikivoyage doesn't have any information in it about outlet shopping in New England (other than what I put in Maine outlet shopping) and certainly nothing linked from here. So, at least for the reference of anyone who might later want to add some in, http://gonewengland.about.com/cs/shopping/a/aaoutletguide.htm would be a good place to start. -- (WT-en) Beland 21:16, 21 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * No worries, we all learn. -- (WT-en) Colin 22:29, 21 Jul 2004 (EDT)

Cities
The map shows Springfield instead of Lowell. Thoughts? (WT-en) LtPowers 15:58, 1 January 2009 (EST)

 * A cursory glance at the two articles would seem to indicate that Lowell belongs in the cities list, not Springfield. So I'd recommend changing the map accordingly, but then again I know very little about this region. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:42, 2 January 2009 (EST)

 * Taking a fresh look at this, Springfield gives us better geographical diversity than Lowell, and Springfield seems to have the more prominent attraction: the Basketball Hall of Fame. I think I'll switch out Lowell for Springfield in the cities list.  LtPowers (talk) 14:59, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

 * I agree entirely. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:00, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Disambiguation
Isn't this much more famous than New England (New South Wales)? (WT-en) –sumone10154 12:22, 28 March 2011 (EDT)

 * I'm not familiar with the Australian destination, but wikipedia:New England links to the US destination so I'd be inclined to believe that the US destination might meet the "much more famous" threshold. Hopefully an Australian contributor can provide additional insight. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:26, 28 March 2011 (EDT)

 * Ok I'll rename this page to New England and if somebody else objects later, we can discuss. (WT-en) –sumone10154 16:46, 30 March 2011 (EDT)

 * This is done. The states under this region will need their "isPartOf" tags updated to avoid breaking the breadcrumbs. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:17, 30 March 2011 (EDT)

Other Destinations
New England could use some additional ODs as not all states are represented. My thoughts for Vermont were to use a ski resort. Stowe is probably the most famous ski resort in New England, but if the town itself is too big, we could use Stratton or Killington since in both those cases, the resort basically is the town. CT doesn't have an OD, but to be honest I don't know it that well and I can't think of anything that isn't a city/town. One of the remaining two spots could be something in inland Maine. Godsendlemiwinks (talk) 19:05, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Best I can come up with for Connecticut is Foxwoods Casino & Resort (largest casino in the world). We could use the Maine North Woods (3.2 million acres of undeveloped wilderness) as a second ME OD.  To fill out the last spot we could use either Lake Winnipesaukee in NH or Lake Champlain in VT. Godsendlemiwinks (talk) 20:14, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Punctuality
Is the same in all parts of America —The preceding comment was added by 87.130.10.85 (talk • contribs)

 * I would bet any amount of money that you've either never been to America or haven't traveled extensively within it. Either way, your statement is untrue. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Cities section
Does it have to be top 9 by population? Or can it be top by number of visitors, or "coolest", or some other arbitrary metric? Thanks! --ButteBag (talk) 15:30, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Good question. The most significant travel destinations is the best metric to use. Feel free to use your own judgment but also make sure there is a diversity among the nine choices (geography, etc.) --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 15:51, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * My contribution would be to say that if you would like to change the current lineup, you should make a proposal and an argument for it, so that we can discuss it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:00, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, good call. I think "most significant travel destinations" is a good way to phrase my idea. I am very much past the "beg forgiveness" phase of my contributions. "Ask permission" is definitely my current mindset. Thanks all! --ButteBag (talk) 14:36, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * There's nothing to forgive, my friend. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:11, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Ok, what do folx think about this lineup? I'm on the fence about a few. I'll add 2-5 sentence descriptions for the final ones, I think that's cool on region pages. I'd like to have this copy build on what's in the "states" section above (I'll update this too). I don't have a real need to fill out all 9 slots, I'd prefer "half short and twice strong".

Main questions relate to other destinations: 1. Which island to list? MV has more visitors, Block is a little obscure, so Nantucket felt like a good choice 2. All those mountains! Green, White, and Washington. Too similar? Mt Washington is in the White mountains, soooo... ?? --ButteBag (talk) 18:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Cities

 * — Capital since 1630, in a variety of ways Boston finds itself in the center of it all. Explore the Freedom Trail and Quincy Market, or catch a game at baseballs "shrine"; Fenway Park. Art lovers might head for the Museum of Fine Arts, while gastronomes will find no dearth of options throughout this "city of neighborhoods".
 * — Stroll Church street to find eclectic eateries and old world charm. From here, grab a cone at Ben & Jerry's before wandering the shores of Lake Champlain in search of the perfect brewery. The prolific green infrastructure on offer here is thanks in part to Bernie Sanders, one time city mayor.
 * — Best known as the home of Yale University. The city center has been called the "Nine Square Plan" since 1640. Today, it packs in a dizzying array of shops and restaurants. Don't leave without trying the coal-fired apizza, claimed to be the best in the world.
 * — The go-to "Downeast" destination for dining and drinking. Surprises abound in these historic neighborhoods, you might even spot a Sasquatch. The incredible beaches, views, and amenities available from Peak's island are often overlooked.
 * — Anchored by Brown University and RISD, Providence supports a booming arts scene and creative economy. Stroll the riverfront on summer nights to partake in WaterFire, a free public art installation. In the morning, wake up with a coffee milk from your favorite doughnut shop.
 * — "Walk the Cliffs" and take in the "cottages"; summer homes where Gilded Age titans would put on ostentatious displays of wealth. Coincidentally, you'll find sports with an aristocratic air to be popular. Tennis, sailing, and cycling all have strong roots in the area. Some 18th century buildings remain, and tourists love the colonial-era scale of the town.
 * — This calm harbor served as the Pilgrims first landing site in the new world. Much has changed since 1620, but the beauty of the beaches, the ocean and its sealife have remain constant. An artist colony since at least 1940, it's also a wildly popular destination for the LGBTQ+ community.
 * — Location of the infamous 1692 Salem witch trials, many finely preserved 17th and 18th century buildings remain. Boasting great transit options, the world class Peabody Essex Museum, and a variety of attractions; Salem packs in the tourists all year long. It gets pretty spooky here the last weekend in October.
 * — This four-season resort town holds the nickname: "Ski Capital of the East". Options abound for outdoor activities, as you're basically sandwiched between Smugglers Notch, Mt Mansfield and CC Putnam state forests. Relax in the evenings with fantastic food and some of the best pints in the USA.

Other destinations

 * — The only National Park in New England, Acadia is perhaps the most dramatic example of a glaciated coastal landscape. Dizzyingly high granite domes swoop down into the Atlantic, where surf crashes onto rocky beaches. First inhabited by the Wabanaki people, visitors have considered this place special for 12,000 years.
 * — Mount Katahdin resides in this massive wilderness area. The tallest peak in New England, it functions as the northern terminus of the Appalachian Trail. Visitors must be self sufficient, as within the park there is no electricity, running water, or even pavement.
 * — Escape to the Cape and explore nearly 40 miles of protected beachfront real estate. Ponds, beaches, lighthouses, and scenic wooded trails all make for top attractions. Established in 1961, which is quite recent for the area. As such, you'll find quite the range of grandfathered virtu sprinkled around.
 * — These federally protected mountains are Vermont's namesake. Okemo and Stratton are some of the larger ski resorts here. Popular thru-hiking routes include the Long Trail and Appalachian Trail.
 * — Distinctly rural, the agrarian communities here are set amongst rolling hills and seem almost frozen in time. Surprisingly, the terroir supports quality viticulture, and you'll find a variety of wines available throughout the region.
 * — Walk the 5 mile "Battle Road Trail" and follow in the footsteps of local silversmith Paul Revere. The trek culminates at Old North Bridge, where "the shot heard round the world" was fired in the opening salvo of what would become the Revolutionary War.
 * — Get your official "This Car Climbed Mt. Washington" bumper sticker here! Fantastic views, an alpine climate, and mile after mile of pristine hiking trails. Railfans can ride the steep and historic Cog to the top. Extreme skiiers try their luck shredding Tuckerman Ravine in the spring.
 * — Once the capital of a global whaling empire, today Nantucket is a charming seaport town. The entire island is a designated National Historic Landmark District; due to its wealth of cobblestone streets and well-preserved historical artifacts and architecture.
 * — Sprawling over 1,200 square miles, visitors will find a full range of outdoor activities on offer. Bag some peaks hiking the strenuous 22 mile "Presidential Traverse", but contact the Appalachian Mountain Club and plan ahead. Drive 34 miles along the Kancamagus Highway, one of New England's finest "leaf-peeping" spots.

 * So some thoughts about these lists: (1) We try to include a city from each state in a region, so is it a problem that there are 3 cities from MA and 2 each from RI and VT but none from NH? (2) I think it's OK to list the different mountain ranges. The Speckled Mountains in Maine are also worthwhile, although I'm not arguing we should list them. I think it's OK to list Mount Washington separately because it's a single mountain and the White Mountains are the range that encompasses all mountains in NH (I think). Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:21, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the feedback! (1) My thought was to go for the best of the best (IMO) in the region, no matter where they're located. (Not that it matters, but it seems like Fodors, Bradt, LP, Rough Guides all do something similar.) But I do agree it would be nice to have something from each state. (2) That's why I split out some of the NH stuff, to give that State a little more weight in the "Other" section. I think at this level (planning), people considering NH would go for its nature and not its cities. That's just my opinion tho... Thanks! --ButteBag (talk) 14:40, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I surely respect that. Other opinions? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:23, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I updated the States section, and now I'll start on 2-3 sentence descriptions for the "cities" & "other" that appear both on the page and in the list above. I don't have much free time, so we'll see how it goes! Thanks! --ButteBag (talk) 00:38, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey Ikan Kekek, it only took me a year and a half to do this lol. What do you think? I would still cut Manchester, NH from the list. But if we can't do that, I'd cut Boston. It's linked 100 other places, and we can place an image with a link there also if that's allowed. If we can't do either... uh... we could cut Stowe I guess? it's kind of near Burlington. Not my preferred option. Anyway, lmk your thoughts. Thanks! --ButteBag (talk) 21:43, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting back to this! On Boston: No way is it reasonable to even consider excluding it from a list of cities in New England! It's the obvious #1 city to list. Excluding it would be almost as bad as excluding New York City from a list of cities in New York State. Otherwise, like I said, it's nice in theory to include a city per state, but if you feel like the 9 other cities are more important to list than Manchester, remove Manchester. One thing to consider about Stowe, though, is that it could be an "Other destination" as a ski resort. But we already have 9 "Other destinations," so...go ahead and remove Manchester. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:51, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick response! Yeah, ok, fair enough. Let's keep Boston ahaha! I didn't think we could put any cities/towns/villages/etc in the "Other destinations" category. I thought even Nantucket was a stretch. Do you have any opinion on what should/shouldn't be listed here? Thanks again! ButteBag (talk) 17:46, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Normally, anyplace that could be in "Cities" can't be in "Other destinations," but if the main reason people visit is, say, to ski, sometimes we can fudge things. I may have more to say later. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:45, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, cool, thanks for the feedback. IMHO Stowe is interesting enough to list because folks don't go there only to ski. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this list. Take your time! Clearly, there is no rush on my end. ButteBag (talk) 21:26, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The only problem that jumps out at me is having a red link as an "Other destination." I don't think we should do that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:18, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm, could we link it to Millinocket? Are there any other cities/other destinations you think should be included? ButteBag (talk) 03:16, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a somewhat idiosyncratic list of cities, in that it doesn't include Hartford, but I get the justification of including New Haven instead. I haven't been to as many of the "Other destinations" as the cities, but the list seems OK to me, if you can link Baxter State Park to Millinocket. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:32, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * To elaborate: I think a more typical list of cities would be: Boston, Bridgeport, Burlington, Hartford, New Haven, Portland, Providence, Springfield, Worcester, but the current list is more interesting for travelers, so I'm not suggesting a substitution. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:34, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks @Ikan Kekek! I'm relieved your list also eschews NH cities. Ok, do you have any thoughts/opinions on the copy for each listing? I'm probably going to go over it again before updating the main page. Thanks again! ButteBag (talk) 13:47, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * To be fair, I don't think I've ever been to Manchester, so I could be biased. I definitely think the White Mountains are great and notable, though. I'll look at the blurbs when I get the chance, but I don't think you should hesitate to go live with these; things can and will be edited in the article, anyway. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:46, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Yeah the last time I was in Manchester, the effects of opioids were clearly visible. Admittedly, I have not been recently. ButteBag (talk) 22:57, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The city's become dilapidated? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:33, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Eh, it's like a lot of other places. Pockets of "hit" and "miss" all jumbled up. ButteBag (talk) 01:00, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Remove some sections?
Any appetite for removing a few sections at the end of the article? Seems like cutting these two sections would reduce the number of irrelevant/frivolous edits to the page. (These topcis are more subjective, so easier to fight about -- less policing for admins) --ButteBag (talk) 19:36, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Stay safe - The only helpful piece of info in this wall of text is about Lyme disease. And this is covered in United_States_of_America. I'm probably missing something, but can't think of anything to include at this level.
 * Respect - I'll be generous and say this is 50% correct. What would a traveler do with this information?
 * Go next - do we need this? Seems like the point of the entire page is to help readers decide where to go next. Feels odd to just call it out like this, but maybe that's just me.
 * This region as broad and diverse, ranging from rural Maine to the Canadian border to Providence, Rhode Island. I find it hard to believe that safety and respect information is applicable across this whole region. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 21:24, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "Stay safe" is too long. I'd suggest summarizing and focusing on the important things, which would definitely include Lyme disease. As for "Respect", what do you think should go there? If you think nothing should go there, I think it could be deleted. Ditto for "Go next" - I think we usually don't have such a section in multi-state region articles, though it could be OK to mention New York, Quebec and New Brunswick. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:07, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ikan, this is helpful. I'll make some edits to these sections when I have some time. Thanks! --ButteBag (talk) 14:43, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation.
While I get the US' New England is much bigger in population compared to the Australian one, the Australian one is just as famous in Australia. And I'm sure, like many other people, I typed up New England in the Link, and I ended up in this page. While this might be a lot more important, the New England in Australia is significantly important in Australian terms. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

 * "... the Australian one is just as famous" It really isn't. If someone talks to me about New England, there's no question in my mind that they mean the northeastern corner of the United States. I'd never even heard of the other New England until the litter bin debacle. If you type "new e" in the search bar, you get a list of possible results; currently the second one down is NE (NSW). We already have New England (disambiguation), and that's enough.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:34, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Or I should mention, in Australia. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:36, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

 * I think the majority of the non-Aussie world would be with me, but that's what we have these discussions for.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:37, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Maybe the Kiwi's and PNG (and maybe Nauru) would go with Aus, but apart from that, you'd be right here. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:59, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Events section
I tried to pick a variety of dates, states, and topics. I also tried to pick events with larger numbers of attendees, but I'm sure no one will ever agree on the perfect event list. I just hope this doesn't create more rollback work for you Ikan Kekek! Here's some other ones I looked into but didn't wind up using: --ButteBag (talk) 13:57, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Jumpfest Salisbury, CT - Feb 7-9 2022
 * Patriots’ Day Reenactments Concord, MA April 16-19 2022
 * Blithewold: Gateway to Spring Bristol, RI April 16-24 2022
 * Boston Marathon Boston April 18 2022
 * Green River Festival Greenfield, MA June 24-26 2022
 * Vermont Cheesemakers Festival Shelburne Farms, VT - August 7 2022
 * Machias Wild Blueberry Festival Machias, ME August 19-21 2022
 * Great Falls Balloon Festival Lewiston, ME August 20–22
 * Franklin County Cider Days Shelburne, MA November 2–4, 2018
 * National Day of Mourning Plymouth (Massachusetts) Thanksgiving Day
 * Sugar Hill Lupine Festival Sugar Hill, NH - CANCELLED

 * Thanks, ButteBag. If any of these events (other than the cancelled one) is not listed in the relevant city article, please list it there. Likewise for the events listed in this article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:07, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:New England (New South Wales)

The town names come from http://www.visitnsw.com.au/ - (WT-en) Hypatia 11:45, 16 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Guy Fawkes River National Park closure
This National Park is not listed because as of Apr 2021 it is closed for the foreseeable future due to the 2020 Bushfire, according to the NSW NP website. KevRobbSCO (talk) 10:56, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

New banner
Is wool really that interesting? More specifically, this region isn't even known for its wool in the first place and the banner looks really boring, dull and unrepresentative of this region. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:04, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

 * Banner 4, then 3. Ground Zero (talk) 12:13, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * 4, 1, and 3 are my favorites, in that order. Thanks for making these. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:14, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:32, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Can we use banner 1 somewhere? I like it even if others prefer #4. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 23:19, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Could be used for Dorrigo which the banner isn't that great and not representative of the waterfall capital of Australia...
 * Also just realised that it's not in New England as well, but it seems someone categorized it under Oxley Wild Rivers National Park. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:33, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Dividing this region up
Have thought about this numerous times, although took me some time to figure out what what actually works as this region has gotten very long with 34 total pages breadcrumbed underneath this region. But this one was one that came up in mind recently. Do note that I've just gathered this off the dynamic map, so if someone with better local knowledge knows better, I'd defer to them (although KevRobb left us after the litter bin dispute)

 * Southern New England

 * Bendemeer (New South Wales) (4)
 * Bingara (5)
 * Gunnedah (13)
 * Manilla (New South Wales) (aka most controversial article of 2021) (16)
 * Nundle (20)
 * Quirindi (21)
 * Tamworth (New South Wales) (22)
 * Walcha (27)
 * Werris Creek (30)
 * Willow Tree (31)

 * Western New England

 * Barraba (3)
 * Boggabilla (6)
 * Boggabri (7)
 * Delungra (9)
 * Gunnedah (13)
 * Moree (New South Wales) (17) Q820167
 * Mungindi (18)
 * Narrabri (19) Q65755732
 * Mount Kaputar National Park (under construction in my userspace for now)
 * Warialda (28)
 * Wee Waa (29)
 * Yetman (32)

 * Q65751741

 * Eastern New England

 * Armidale (1)
 * Ashford (New South Wales) (2)
 * Bundarra (8)
 * Emmaville (New South Wales) (10)
 * Ebor (11)
 * Glen Innes (12)
 * Guyra (14)
 * Inverell (15)
 * Tenterfield (23)
 * Tingha (24)
 * Uralla (25)
 * Urbenville (26)

 * Cathedral Rock National Park
 * Gibraltar Range National Park
 * Washpool National Park
 * Tooloom National Park
 * New England National Park
 * Oxley Wild Rivers National Park

Does this look good? -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:13, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that there are too many articles in this region now-- an embarrassment of riches. Wikipedia does not give any useful advice on the subregions of NE, so your proposal is as good as any. Ground Zero (talk) 12:13, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll likely be starting to do the split next week. Don't mind me editing my message above, as I try to get Wikidata mapshapes up. Ignore the Wikidata ids, it's for my personal reference when trying to get the mapshapes on OSM up here as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:34, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

 * - New England's university city and Australia's highest city
 * - a good base for exploring Kwiambal National Park and Pindari Dam
 * - go birdwatching, enjoy Split Rock Dam and many half-day and full-day trips to natural atrractions
 * - gateway to the road to Port Macquarie
 * - an old gold-mining town, with a touch of art-deco
 * - home of the Wobbly Boot
 * - home of the Drovers Campfire event
 * - a picturesque little town on Thunderbolts Way
 * - a convenient rest stop for east-west travellers
 * - discover its past mining history and scenic attractions
 * - take a picnic by the Ebor Falls
 * - New England's "Highland Capital", and a base for exploring many national parks
 * - known for the poet Dorothea Mackellar "My country" (I love a sunburned country...) and home of AgQuip agricultural expo
 * - a historic little town with a lot to see
 * - the "Sapphire City", with Copeton Dam nearby
 * - renowned for paragliding and Keepit Dam
 * - sometimes referred to as the "capital" of the North West Slopes and Plains, hot water springs, cotton country
 * - a real frontier town
 * - home to the Australia (radio) Telescope and gateway to Mount Kaputar National Park
 * - location of Hanging Rock goldfield and lookout
 * - gateway to the Liverpool Plains and its sunflower fields
 * - Australia's Country Music Capital
 * - famous for the Tenterfield Saddler and the entertainer Peter Allen
 * - a former tin mining town with an interesting history
 * - a sophisticated New England town known for the bushranger Captain Thunderbolt
 * - a scenic gateway to South East Queensland
 * - gateway to the Oxley Wild Rivers National Park
 * - where north-south meets east-west
 * - Australia's Cotton Capital
 * - a historic railway town
 * - the southern gateway to New England
 * - a welcome break for east-west travellers
 * Abandoning my original proposal, but have a new proposal this time, along with a mapshape. Unlike last time where I made up the boundaries myself, this time, I'm using LGAs. Haven't made a defined list, but where each city is on the map – that's which region it's in. Does that work out? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:36, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Didn't mention it in my previous reply. Only issue with this proposal is that Oxley Wild Rivers National Park is under Southern New England on the map, but it's half and half, but the main highlights of the park are in the north (from my experience there). We could of course, move the coordinates up though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:44, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That sounds reasonable. Ground Zero (talk) 11:02, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Will start this weekend, after I finish the mapshape up for New South Wales. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:10, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. Now just need to fill in all the articles out. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:07, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That looks much better. Good work. Ground Zero (talk) 11:11, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Would have been nice KevRobbAU/SCO could give us their local knowledge, but it's a pity that he left Wikivoyage for something really silly and then going into personal attacks. Anyway, this one is probably the closest that works out. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:18, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Abandoning my original proposal, but have a new proposal this time, along with a mapshape. Unlike last time where I made up the boundaries myself, this time, I'm using LGAs. Haven't made a defined list, but where each city is on the map – that's which region it's in. Does that work out? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:36, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Didn't mention it in my previous reply. Only issue with this proposal is that Oxley Wild Rivers National Park is under Southern New England on the map, but it's half and half, but the main highlights of the park are in the north (from my experience there). We could of course, move the coordinates up though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:44, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That sounds reasonable. Ground Zero (talk) 11:02, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Will start this weekend, after I finish the mapshape up for New South Wales. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:10, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. Now just need to fill in all the articles out. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:07, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That looks much better. Good work. Ground Zero (talk) 11:11, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Would have been nice KevRobbAU/SCO could give us their local knowledge, but it's a pity that he left Wikivoyage for something really silly and then going into personal attacks. Anyway, this one is probably the closest that works out. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:18, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Abandoning my original proposal, but have a new proposal this time, along with a mapshape. Unlike last time where I made up the boundaries myself, this time, I'm using LGAs. Haven't made a defined list, but where each city is on the map – that's which region it's in. Does that work out? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:36, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Didn't mention it in my previous reply. Only issue with this proposal is that Oxley Wild Rivers National Park is under Southern New England on the map, but it's half and half, but the main highlights of the park are in the north (from my experience there). We could of course, move the coordinates up though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:44, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That sounds reasonable. Ground Zero (talk) 11:02, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Will start this weekend, after I finish the mapshape up for New South Wales. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:10, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. Now just need to fill in all the articles out. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:07, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That looks much better. Good work. Ground Zero (talk) 11:11, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Would have been nice KevRobbAU/SCO could give us their local knowledge, but it's a pity that he left Wikivoyage for something really silly and then going into personal attacks. Anyway, this one is probably the closest that works out. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:18, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That looks much better. Good work. Ground Zero (talk) 11:11, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Would have been nice KevRobbAU/SCO could give us their local knowledge, but it's a pity that he left Wikivoyage for something really silly and then going into personal attacks. Anyway, this one is probably the closest that works out. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:18, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

title: Talk:New England (New South Wales)


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Talk:Highway 15 (Australia)

The NE Hwy continues to Toowoomba, too.(WT-en) Cgoodwin 23:17, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

Highway 15 or Route 15
Which one fits, Highway or Route, both are theoretically correct. SHB2000 (talk) 13:21, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

title: Talk:Highway 15 (Australia)


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Talk:New Forest

Sleep Listings
All of these deleted from the article. They belong in their respective town/city articles, not here.

 * Halcyon New Forest Holiday Cottages, tel: 07515 881329 (9am-9pm) +44 (0)1590 641810 Lymington, Brockenhurst, Lyndhurst, Walkford and Everton, offer self catering new forest cottage accommodation from 6 guests to large groups of 30. Specializing in Weekend breaks. Midweeks also available for corporate stays etc.
 * Renwick Lodge sleeps 2 - 30 people in Walkford  tel: 07515 881329 (9am-9pm) +44 (0)1590 641810
 * The Old Stables sleeps 18 - 30 people in interesting victorian stable block conversion, central Lyndhurst  tel: 07515 881329 (9am-9pm) +44 (0)1590 641810
 * Rhinefield Bothy sleeps 16 - 38 people in Rhinefield, Brockenhurst (adjacent to the Rhinefield House Hotel)  tel: 07515 881329 (9am-9pm) +44 (0)1590 641810
 * Vine Cottage sleeps 10 - 38 people in Rhinefield, Brockenhurst (adjacent to the Rhinefield House Hotel)  tel: 07515 881329 (9am-9pm) +44 (0)1590 641810
 * Latchmoor Corner sleeps 10 - 14 people in Brockenhurst  tel: 07515 881329 (9am-9pm) +44 (0)1590 641810
 * Wheathill sleeps 14 - 20 people in Lymington  tel: 07515 881329 (9am-9pm) +44 (0)1590 641810
 * Uplay Cottage sleeps 2 - 8 people in Everton, Lymington  tel: 07515 881329 (9am-9pm) +44 (0)1590 641810

For review by Thunderingtyphoons!:

Heathfield Estate, Lyndhurst Road, Bransgore, BH23 8LA ☏ +44 7740 983047, concierge@heathfieldestate.co.uk. This property has 2 properties available and both have Digital TVs with Netflix, Prime & Disney+, free Wi-Fi, and a hot tub is available to use. The Coach House has 4 bedrooms and 4 bathrooms to sleep 8 people (£499-749 per night) while the Cottage has 2 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms to sleep 4 people (£249-349 per night).

Region articles
Region articles should not have detailed listings for points of interest, restaurants, shops, or hotels. Region article template says:
 * "Individual listings should be placed at the lowest available level of local page (a district of a huge city or the city page for a small town)."
 * "points of interest (such as those mentioned in "See" sections) should not usually have markers in region articles but should be linked to the bottom-level article where they have full listings."

I have moved the detailed listings to the town and villages articles. Please don't add any more. Ground Zero (talk) 12:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

 * This is a park article, where listings are allowed. However, it is a longer term ambition of mine to split Hampshire into subregions, and this would hopefully be one.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It may be a park article, but it sure isn't treated as one based on how the article looks as of typing this. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 23:12, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Indeed, the 10 town/village articles listed led me to believe it was a region article. This was leading to duplicate listings, which we try to avoid Ground Zero (talk) 02:16, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, national parks in the UK all have towns and villages with tens of thousands of people living inside them, so you can expect a British park article to be different to those in countries with vast wilderness where access to parks can be restricted and charged for. And I expect the New Forest is one of the more heavily-populated national parks.-- ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * What I find strange with UK national parks is that despite having villages in them, the villages aren't exclaves (something like this, this or this). A bit of a tangent, though. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 09:27, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * There are some exclaves inside parks - Blaenau Ffestiniog and Buxton off the top of my head. But the reason for what you said is national parks in the UK are not proper national parks by international standards. They don't protect pristine nature. Preserving and enhancing nature is part of their job, but they're also working human cultural landscapes, and have been for millennia. The villages are part of the fabric.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah, right. So what you're saying is they wouldn't be categorised as an IUCN Cat. II park? -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 09:50, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:New Forest


text:
Talk:Newfoundland and Labrador

(WT-en) Textbot 21:19, 18 December 2006 (EST) re pronunciation ...the page does not yet include the pronunciation "NEW-FOUND-LAND" which is the one I have often heard in this context, i guess sometimes from "locals". After all, the place was once " new found" - compared to the "old world". CF Land's End in Britain, and "Finisterre" in France...

(WT-en) Textbot 21:14, 18 December 2006 (EST) err, I gotta say : a colony is NOT independent. AFAIK, NFLD remained a British colony till 1949, I guess because they deemed it a better deal than joining Canada at the time....BTW St Pierre and Miquelon (nearby !) remains a *French* territory

Was Newfoundland really independent from Canada until 1949? I have never heard of that. Perhaps you meant an independent province? (WT-en) D.D. 12:54, 29 Oct 2003 (PST)

Yes, it really was. Now my history's not very good, but remember that Canada is a federation, and quite a young one at that. Originally, it was just Upper and Lower Canada (roughly Ontario and Quebec, respectively), New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. Canada slowly grew as transportation networks allowed colonization and development of lands further West by Europeans. The other parts ("provinces" like Newfoundland) were independant colonies of Britain. (WT-en) CL 23:53, 29 Oct 2003 (PST)

Newfoundland was not only an independent country, but it was also run under several different types of government before joining Canada. (WT-en) JB 12:30 PM, 6 Jan 2005 (Newfoundland ST)

Article Title and Content
I have been bothered by the name of this article for some time and I have finally worked out it is the and. This article is really about two places, Newfoundland and Labrador. Together they do form a convenient political entity (a province) but they are really two separate regions joined for political convenience. I think the article is now reaching a stage where it should be separated into two regional parts and only the common information to both regions should be retained in this article. Unfortunately, I know precious little about this part of Canada to feel comfortable doing a region-ectomy without assistance.

How should this split be approached? Should content simply be split off into separate Labrador and Newfoundland articles, paragraph by paragraph, with the residual left here? Is there another way? Also, where it is not obvious, what places go where? -- (WT-en) Huttite 00:02, 22 May 2005 (EDT)

It should be corrected that GPS will work anywhere since it uses satellites, however cell phones will be out a lot of the trip due to them being ground based.

I removed the part about "GPS being useless in Labrador". GPS works anywhere in the world, hence why it is called the Global Positioning System. As it relys on satellites, all you need is a clear view of the sky above you.--205.210.52.136 17:23, 30 October 2006 (EST)

The title "Newfoundland and Labrador" is the official name of the tenth province of Canada. This was established by an ammendment to the Canadian Constitution which was proclaimed on 6 December 2001. This would indicate that you can't simply perform a region-ectomy to separate the two. That action would be equivalent to separating the entries for two islands of New Zealand (Huttite is from New Zealand).

The ownership of Labrador by Newfoundland was determined in law by a 1927 decision of the Privy Council. This decision resulted from a boundary dispute between the self-governing Dominions of Newfoundland and Canada which was resolved by a Commonweath Appeal to the Privy Council. In a nutshell, Newfoundland hired better lawyers than Canada and won their case on the basis of the watershed of the rivers of Labrador. Newfoundland had only claimed ownership of coastal areas which had been used for centries to support the Labrador Fishery while Canada (encouraged by Quebec) wished to deny the ownership of on-shore fishing premises. To this day, the Province of Quebec frequently issue maps which misrepresent the border of Labrador. -- JWA 09:57 NST, 22 November, 2006

 * Actually we do split New Zealand into North Island and South Island, and then divide those into regions, since there's too much to cover in one page. I definitely think this article should be split into separate regions, they don't need to be encompassed in the same, especially since the aren't even physically connected... Labrador already exists, I'm gonna move some stuff into Newfoundland and remove the redirect, it should be its own article too. I don't know the region well, so can't completely place all of this info, but I'll do some... feel free to follow up later if you know more than me :)   – (WT-en) cacahuate   talk 02:55, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

 * Actually, I'm not... I'm too tired... but I think we should... soon... or something... – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 02:59, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

 * You know guys just keep it simple don’t confuse people with your thoughts and beliefs, yes we can make this article more relevant…Parin Joshi

Removed
I removed this from the page: "The uptight paranoia found in many American cities cannot be found in Newfoundland. It has a totally different approach to life. One Newfoundlander has suggested that people 'exist' in New York, but they 'live' in Newfoundland."

If this friendly quality is unique among Newfoundlanders, then it should be compared to the paranoia found in other CANADIAN cities. Also, "one Newfoundlander" is not the sort of reference we can put in the guide. Quotes should be from known persons, not random residents. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 02:30, 24 August 2010 (EDT)

Banner
Title. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:45, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

 * Banner 1 is much better. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:00, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

 * ✅. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:42, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Iceberg Alley
This phrase gets many search engine hits such as 11 Cool Facts About Iceberg Alley and Iceberg viewing. WP gives it as a colloquial name for Atlantic Marine Ecozone. I'd say we should have something here.

A redirect to somewhere? Extra region? Travel topic? Conceivably an itinerary if someone wanted to take the trouble? Part of a general article on icebergs? Pashley (talk) 21:41, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Newfoundland and Labrador


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Talk:New Guinea

disambiguation
strictly speaking, this may not be a disambiguation page, as it refers to the island that is divided between two countries, rather than one term that could be taken to mean either region. however, i think it is probably best to treat it as a disambiguation rather than try and develop it as a regional article. --(WT-en) Inas 17:45, 16 November 2008 (EST)

 * Agreed, there are quite a few other articles like this for places that people could conceivably search, but can't be redirected to a single destination and don't make sense as a region either (eg. Borneo). (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:21, 16 November 2008 (EST)

title: Talk:New Guinea


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Talk:New Jersey

This is sweet. Great start, anonymous contributor! --(WT-en) Evan 12:30, 2 Feb 2004 (EST)

Whoa. New Jersey is the most densely populated state in the US? I used to live in New Jersey and that one's a shocker. (WT-en) Goodralph 03:09, 7 Jul 2004 (EDT)

yo, there are two cities listed as being the largest in the state. how is that possible?

Dividing New Jersey
This needs to be divided into 4-5 regions by someone who knows the state. --(WT-en) Ravikiran 06:51, 25 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * The official tourism site divides the state into the following six regions.

 * Delaware River Region
 * Gateway Region
 * Greater Atlantic City Region
 * Shore Region
 * Skylands Region
 * Southern Shore Region

 * Should I skip the "Region" at the end of the region name? The names look odd without the region at the end. --(WT-en) Ravikiran 09:06, 10 Feb 2006 (EST)
 * On further research, I find that the region names have been used without a "region" at the end. I will skip them for all except Delaware river region, and I will put disambiguators for Gateway and Shore, just in case.

This is how it will be. --(WT-en) Ravikiran 13:42, 10 Feb 2006 (EST)
 * [[Delaware River Region]
 * Gateway (New Jersey)
 * Greater Atlantic City Region
 * Shore (New Jersey)
 * Skylands
 * Southern Shore

 * I'm not sure I've ever heard that area called the Delaware River Region, but I can't be certain. The only reason I say that is because the Delaware River goes up and up through the Lehigh Valley and the Coal Region. the source of the river is actually in upstate new york, according to the Delaware Valley region of Pennsylvania, these counties are part of that, too. so, go figure how to fix that, because the "ispartof" code will start placing new jersey counties in pennsylvania if it's the same region. Similarly, Phillipsburg, NJ is considered both Skylands and Lehigh Valley in PA. Sounds like a problem for the committee. (WT-en) Jargas 07:48, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

Talk
Nobody from New Jersey ever says "joisey:" That's a lower class Brooklyn pronunciation.

The authentic New Jersey accent can be heard in the speech of natives like politician-turned-broadcaster Steve Adubato and Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito.

 * Took that out for ya.--(WT-en) Wandering 12:49, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

 * I added that some New Jerseyans can get offended if you make a joke about "new joisey". It's true. I'm one of them. (WT-en) Jargas 07:20, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

I used to live in New Jersey - there are TWO distinct accents - North Jersey (influenced by New York) and South Jersey (influenced by Philadelphia). Looks to me like the "Talk" area was written by some guys from "North Joisey" and almost insulting the people living in South Jersey. "Authentic New Jersey accent" indeed... (WT-en) gamweb 14:41, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

 * The back and forth over "Joisey" strikes me as odd. My paternal family is from the state, and they joke about Joisey/Juhsey accents and the mob (i.e., the state government) frequently. More to the point—when the heck did Jersey folk start taking themselves so seriously? Perhaps a step back from that "etiquette" section (should be respect, and btw the word "etiquette" seems humorous when talking about the state). I've found the only thing that ticks off New Jerseyans is to act pretentious, tell them that they live there instead of NYC only because they "have to," or to lecture them on the economics of self serve gas stations. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:27, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

 * Archie Bunker says it's "Joisey" and he's from New York City so I'd be tempted to place it downstate. NY not? K7L (talk) 02:34, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Understand
Someone has noted that in New Jersey "some parts are troublesome to reach even by car." It would be most helpful for travelers if you would specify which locations you're referring to, state the nature of the difficulty, and perhaps offer a tip for overcoming that problem, e.g., "arrive before 6 am," or whatever.
 * I took that out. NJ has a very high density wrt roads and it makes no sense to say that. --(WT-en) Wandering 10:12, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

I proofread a lot of stuff
I probably can't remember all that I've done.

I made a number of edits for clarity and to fix typos, I said the thing about "new joisey" being offensive to native New Jerseyans (mentioned above on this page, as well), I personally find myself saying "New Juhzzey", and I hear that a bit, so I added that in addition to "Jerzey" like it was on there. I also added "Howyadooin..." as a typical greeting. Everybody I know at the store I work at says that to me every day. It's funny, even to me, because I can't stop it without quite a lot of effort. Maybe I should take out the exclamation point, because when I hear myself saying it, I try to keep the dooin from becoming too weird, so I kind of keep my voice down at the end of the word. It really does sound like the Sopranos. Speaking of them, i mentioned that some people get offended by the Sopranos. Not many people I know are really bothered by it, but I've heard stories of older people, and other politicians trying to look good going on crusades. They actually do have a point, to some degree.

Also, why is the city of cape may and some of it's attractions listed in the "Jersey Shore", and the county of Cape May, which is practically empty, is listed in "Southern Shore" region? that's all I can think of for the moment, I look forward to contributing more (WT-en) Jargas 07:34, 23 July 2008 (EDT) ps, I changed my sig to jargas, though a lot of my edits will come up as Kire1975. I'm still trying to figure this out. cheers, (WT-en) Jargas 07:37, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

 * I understand the regions are from the state's tourist website, but I'm not sure they correspond very closely to the actual situation on the ground. At least as a South Jersey native, they don't make sense to me.  The "Southern Shore" region, in particular, baffles me.  Cape May county, with its Atlantic-facing beach resort towns, has muceh more in common with Atlantic and Ocean counties than with Cumberland, which, facing the Delaware Bay with a shoreline composed mostly of marshes, is not a popular tourist destination.  Cumberland and Salem counties make much more sense together, as they have seen the least incursion of development from either Philadelphia or the Shore, and so preserve a rural old-South-Jersey environment.

 * I understand the convenience of using the tourist bureau's divisions, and there is something to be said for the official legitimacy that such a state organ brings to this always abitrary process, but in this case the tourist regions do not match reality. They can be mentioned in the article, but I do not think they ought to be given such an important place. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 128.135.208.120 (talk • contribs)

 * I'm rather unimpressed with this regional breakdown as well. How would you propose we alter the regional hierarchy then? Bearing in mind that we do need well-defined boundaries for each region, so that it is clear where things go. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:26, 13 May 2009 (EDT)

Jersey Shore/Southern Shore Region
This hasn't been discussed for a while, but the Jersey Shore and Southern Shore articles clearly need to be reorganized. To make things simpler for travelers, either: I support the first option because although the northern and southern parts are different, people from out of town usually view the two as one region anyway and it seems strange to not discuss Atlantic City (which has the more name recognition than any other city in the region) in the Jersey Shore article. The Jersey Shore article already combines the two regions anyway, and the Southern Shore region is merely an outline so the first approach would be as simple as deleting the Southern Shore article and redirecting it to the Jersey Shore article. Also Cumberland County needs to be moved to the Delaware River region. I would like to see what other people think about this. --Apollo1758 (talk) 18:24, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) The Jersey Shore and Southern Shore articles should be merged together, or
 * 2) Atlantic County should be moved into the Southern Shore region.

 * I would tend to disagree that Cape May should be lumped in with Long Branch, but would anyone else like to express an opinion about your comment? Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:07, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Accuracy of a statement
From "Understand":

"Atlantic City, Princeton and New Brunswick are great cities and inhabited by the middle to upper class."

Princeton is very rich. Atlantic City has never been rich that I can remember, but has a lot of poor people. I don't know what New Brunswick is like now; my memory is from the mid 90s, when it was quite poor on its east side and had a lot of working class ("middle class", if you must) people on the west side, and then of course there were the Rutgers students. Highland Park across the Raritan was more well-to-do though not on the level of Princeton or the small rural towns to its south.

Anyway, when I think of "great cities" in New Jersey, in terms of size, Newark would be the obvious #1, though it's troubled, and Jersey City and Paterson would be the next two.

I think it might be best to junk the language in this sentence rather than rewriting it, but I'd like your opinions. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:06, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Adding another major destination for routes between Cape May and Newark/New York
It takes more than 2 hours to drive between Cape May and New York or Newark. According to routebox guidelines, a major destination should be added between 2 other major destinations if it takes more than 2 hours to drive from one of these destinations to the other. Which place(s) should be set as major? This applies to the Garden State Parkway and US Route 9. JsfasdF252 (talk) 23:50, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * For the Garden State, possibilities are Perth Amboy and Toms River. I'd like to say Atlantic City, but that requires exiting onto Route 30 or the Atlantic City Expressway. Can intersections be used in routeboxes? For Route 9, again, Perth Amboy and Toms River would work. I'm not sure whether any of the other places it traverses are important enough to mention, but you'd know better. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:20, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Woodbridge is a better choice for a major than Perth Amboy, since it is far larger in population and the Garden State Parkway actually passes through the township and intersects with the NJ Turnpike/I 95 there. However, according to OpenStreetMap-based directions, it would still take over 2 hours to drive from there to Cape May. Toms River seems to be the best choice, since it ideally takes less than 2 hours to travel from there to Cape May, Newark or New York, and vice versa. Lakewood Township may also be considered, since it has a population of over 100,000, more than that of Toms River, but since these places share a boundary, both can't be used at once. JsfasdF252 (talk) 01:59, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Not an answer, but to anyone who's casually reading this and doesn't know what the Garden State is, it's New Jersey. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:19, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * In this discussion, it's a highway. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:31, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

New banner?
I am hugely (extremely) not a fan of text banners, so here are a few alternates for your consideration. Thanks! ButteBag (talk) 02:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Understood, and thanks for the alternatives, but I think the existing banner is more unique (I know the phrase is an oxymoron, but I think the point is made), so I want to keep it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:47, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The image is just... pretty bad honestly. Maybe we could add "Trenton makes, the world takes" as a quote in the understand section? I haven't seen much drone photography in WV banners personally, but point taken that pretty much everywhere has roads and beaches and so forth. ButteBag (talk) 18:54, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think it works as well as a black-text quote than as a somewhat curious photo. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:39, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The text has been on the Lower Trenton Bridge since 1935, and the photo is a view from a train. I think that text works well in this case. If we do decide on another banner then the current banner could be used for Trenton. AlasdairW (talk) 21:47, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

 * I quite like the text banner, particularly because it's unique, for a similar reason mentioned by Ikan Kekek. Therefore, I favor the current banner. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 11:06, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Huh, that's wild. Thank you for your input everyone! ButteBag (talk) 04:08, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Southern Shore (New Jersey)
I feel like this region is awkward in the hierarchy because Cape May County is considered to be part of the Jersey Shore and Cumberland County seems to be more closely associated with the Delaware River Valley. I remember removing Capy May County from the scope of the Jersey Shore article to avoid overlap, but I now feel like it was not the best choice. My proposed solution is also posted in the talk page, but nobody seems to have responded at the time of this writing. I would like to get this issue resolved before January 15, when the edit-a-thon begins. JsfasdF252 (talk) 19:51, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Central Jersey
The latest version of the New Jersey Travel Guide designates Central Jersey as a distinct region. Should it be incorporated into the Wikivoyage hierarchy? If not, should it be an extra region? JsfasdF252 (talk) 00:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I would say that it does not:

 * New Jersey is commonly divided into two regions: North Jersey (including Bergen, Essex, Hudson, Passaic, Morris, Sussex and Warren counties) and South Jersey (including Camden, Burlington, Gloucester, Cumberland and Salem counties). Sometimes Central Jersey (Middlesex, Mercer, Somerset and Hunterdon counties) is considered as a third region. The trichotomous division is up for debate; for example Union and Ocean counties can be considered to both be part of Central Jersey or as part of North and South respectively. For the purpose of this guide, those two regions are further divided into four areas.

 * I would say that Central Jersey is an amorphous region that some people think exists, and I doubt it's useful enough to be covered in an extra-region article (Upstate New York similarly would not be a useful article), but if you think it is, what would you add to the single sentence that is the second in the above paragraph? Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:08, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I meant the travel guide at visitnj.org, not the Wikivoyage one JsfasdF252 (talk) 05:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

 * OK, I think their take on what is Central Jersey is debatable. To me, Trenton, as a suburb of Philly, is in South Jersey. There are also towns that I tend to think of as more characterized by being right near Pennsylvania than by being Central or North Jersey (Flemington, Lambertville). But of course all of that is informed by my being a New Yorker. To me, a place like Scotch Plains is in Central Jersey, but it really isn't, geographically. Anyway, there's definitely nothing preventing you from creating an extra-region article if you think it would be helpful. Would you plan to do it for the other New Jersey tourism regions we don't use? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:51, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikivoyage uses four regions; visitnj.org uses seven. It would be a big job to re-sort all of NJ along the lines of visitnj, and we risk them changing their minds in five years. If someone has the time and energy to take this on, I wouldn't object to it, but it's not a job for me. Ground Zero (talk) 11:17, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * We don't need to change our hierarchy to exactly match the one used by visitnj. In particular, the Jersey Shore region should not be altered. JsfasdF252 (talk) 18:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The Southern Shore, one of visitnj's tourism regions, was part of the Wikivoyage hierarchy until I converted it to an extra region, since it makes much more sense to have the Jersey Shore region extend down to Cape May County. (Visitnj's Shore region only has Monmouth and Ocean Counties, while Atlantic County is represented as a region to itself.) If Central Jersey gets its own region article (extra or hierarchical) then should North and South Jersey get their own region articles, or should they merely be redirects? JsfasdF252 (talk) 18:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply. I'm not sure it's important to have articles for North and South Jersey. Kind of like Upstate New York, there are debates about where one starts and the other ends. We made a call with Downstate New York, but there's no article for Upstate New York (just a redirect) and really shouldn't be one. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:New Kitakyushu Airport

Please read the Project:What is an article guideline before adding to this article. I think this information should be incorporated into Kitakyushu and have recommended this article for deletion. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:37, 27 Jul 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:New Lanark

Just want to confirm that this should be an article and not an attraction for another destination. The rule-of-thumb is 'can you sleep there'... (WT-en) Majnoona 13:34, 16 April 2006 (EDT)
 * You can sleep there - as there's a hotel and a youth hostel. However for me it would make more sense to have a Lanark article with a section about New Lanark. Reason being that if you're not booked into the hotel or hostel there is an entry fee - which makes it an attraction in my book. Currently there is no Lanark article at all however. Going by this argument does this mean I should be arguing for the deletion of Portmeirion and the moving of the article contents into Porthmadog? (WT-en) Tarr3n 12:57, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

title: Talk:New Lanark