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 * I added a section on avoiding the areas far from downtown. I live in Decatur, near the prison on memorial and not far from Clarkston, and this area is not at all like the downtown. It is inaccessable without a car, relatively unexciting, and in parts dangerous (the area along Northern avenue between Memorial Drive and N Dekalb rings out with gunfire most weekend nights). Honestly downtown is trendy and exciting, but otherwise I wouldn't recommend many areas of Decatur to outsiders. For what its worth I plan on moving to downtown (or Little 5 Points) as soon as my lease is up. This town has its down side, and anyone visitng needs to be aware this article discusses (almost) exclusively the downtown.

 * Need to distinguish between City of Decatur and Decatur in unincorporated Dekalb. --(WT-en) Baxterguy 14:18, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

 * I did the following: a) some outstanding restaurants in downtown Decatur were missing from the list, while sandwich shops (Roly Poly) were included. I added the outstanding restaurants; b) Decatur's well-known festivals (four of which have won regional awards) were not in the travel guide.  To leave out the beer festival, arts festival, beach party, etc., were major omissions; and c) there were two motels listed that are NOWHERE near downtown Decatur or Oakhurst neighborhood. Neither was located in Decatur, and I deleted them.  (The same chain has 2-3 other motels/hotels in/near Decatur.) There was one motel blocks from Decatur Square that was not included, so I added it.  --(WT-en) Baxterguy 09:11, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

 * "Buy" is by far the weakest section of this article. There are more shops of note than are listed here.  It give the impression there are few places to shop in Decatur. Someone should work on this. --(WT-en) Baxterguy 09:49, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
 * I have updated this to be more thorough. --(WT-en) Baxterguy 14:17, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

 * Recreation does not listed private exercise and fitness gyms. There are too many to list, and it's of doubtful value on a tourist site. --(WT-en) Baxterguy 14:18, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

 * Spelling: Clairemont Avenue (south of Scott) and Clairmont Road (north of Scott) are the same street.  Scott Blvd. is the dividing line - I have no idea why one has an "e" and the other omits it, but it's not a typo, so don't correct it. --(WT-en) Baxterguy 14:18, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

 * I have tried to adjust some of the descriptions to be more tourist oriented (restaurants and "buy", primarily). however, I am not sure if the "general" section of "buy" is tourist-oriented, nor whether "primary and secondary schools" should even be listed?  I have seen both listed elsewhere, but I'd like some advice on the inclusino of both of these. --(WT-en) Baxterguy 09:31, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
 * I have stripped out the primary and secondary schools - since they are not tourist oriented. Let me know if I was wrong do delete that. (I was the original compiler, so it was my work that I was deleting.) I have also removed non-tourist oriented listings (local jeweler, boring chain restaurant with bad review, etc.). I have added some books under "reading" that have background info on the city (ie, the 1820 house of the civil war author still stands in the city), foreign consulates, an observatory that few know about near the downtown area (not sure how much light pollution interferes, though?) and info on the nearest campground. --(WT-en) Baxterguy 15:35, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
 * It's always fine to take out your own stuff (we can put it back if you do it out of spite :) ). And fine to do copyedits or anything on someone else's. If you delete listings you should give a reason in the summary box. Yeah, I don't find the schools to be of use to the traveler. Colleges, of course, have resources, athletics, theatre and other shows. I just promoted the article to guide, but some pictures would be a great thing to add. And a map if you think it's useful. -- (WT-en) OldPine 16:14, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

 * Only other quibble might be that the listings could have better detail (address/phone/hours of operation). Try to think of it as a guide that will be printed and carried... and so a computer will not be available to chase the links. (WT-en) OldPine 16:30, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

 * I took out the table format from the Buy and Eat sections as it breaks the template norm. I also eliminated the list of banks, as we typically don't list those unless there is some special reason (banks are not even listed in the Where to stick it article). I also struck the furniture section, as the average traveller is unlikely to go furniture shopping while on vacation. I still feel like both the Buy and the Eat sections are far too exhaustive for a suburb article. I don't feel like we need so many clothing/shoe shops listed individually like that, especially the very specific ones. I think a lot of the listings could be dropped and replaced with a better description of what's available in the Ponce de Leon street area and leave it at that. The eat section really ought to be pruned as well-- too many listings=might as well pick up a phone book. Choose a few great places that you'd recommend to a friend spending a few days in town, and describe major restaurant hubs collectively. As it stands, this article has as many restaurant listings as some of our articles for major world cities, which Decatur is simply not. (WT-en) Texugo 01:11, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
 * I will look at editing the eat section down. However, Decatur is not a suburb in the traditional sense. It is an inner city surrounded by Atlanta on two sides that is a major restaurant destination (which is why it has so many 'best of" restaurants in a metro area of 5.1 million people). Basically, it will have more destination restaurants than most cities, because it is an "equivalent" of Atlanta's midtown or Buckhead neighborhoods for restaurants.  Thanks.  --(WT-en) Baxterguy 12:06, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

 * As of 11/2/07, Decatur has it's own after-hours emergency vet clinic. However, it is so new, I think it's best to leave the other clinic on the list to see if this one remains open. --(WT-en) Baxterguy 09:30, 19 November 2007 (EST)
 * Honestly, what the heck kind of travel guide for a city of less than 20,000 would include veterinarians and dentists, information about the local cable providers, trends of local church congregations and local political leanings, unremarkable local YMCAs, and 31 references to a local zine (Creative Loafing)? What the heck kind of traveller would expect a guide to have this stuff? This article is completely out of control, currently at least twice as long as it should be in my opinion. As I said before, some serious pruning needs to take place here with restaurants and shopping etc., and for a city this small I would guess that a number of the listed attractions are pretty overrated. Also, things not relevant to the average traveller or not unique to Decatur alone need to be ripped out. Anything that is true for the metro Atlanta area as a whole needs to be taken out and put in the Atlanta article. All the excess just exaggerates the touristic importance of your city and seriously waters down the usefulness of the article by recommending so many things that the traveller can no longer see what the very best options are. (WT-en) Texugo 22:36, 19 November 2007 (EST)
 * Criticism accepted. I do think a 24 hour emergency dentist, and after hours emergency vet (for those who travel with pets) is valid.  The politics was in the trivia section to add color, but I will delete it. In regard to the local zine (Creative Loafing), it focuses on restaurants, etc., within the beltway and is the most complete list of recommendations in the city. (It also published in 9/07 and is the most up-to-date.)  Other magazines (if you live here, you know this) are going to include the suburbs, xurbs and even some rural areas in their coverage. If you think it is inappropriate to list the zine recs, you are welcome to delete them. But many internet recommendations are at times bizarre, with some terrible restaurants getting "loaded up with recommendations" - I prefer to have a reference to add credibility.  Thanks again for the comments; you understand wiki very well.    --(WT-en) Baxterguy 16:22, 20 November 2007 (EST)
 * I have tried to respond to your criticism. However, I am not a woman and cannot edit down all those shops listed because I don't go in them. They are almost speciality shops (although not as highly thought of as Decatur's restaurants and pubs) and a woman who shops in them and is familiar with them will have to do an edit - if the number needs to be reduced. Many of them are written up in Southern Living, Atlanta magazine, Creative Loafing, etc. - I have not listed all the recommendations from all sources. It's going to be tough for a guy. --(WT-en) Baxterguy 08:12, 5 December 2007 (EST)
 * Just want to note that there have been a few edits that are ALMOST CERTAINLY written by the owners of the establishments. I am editing them if they go overboard (listing "nightly specials", comments that read like advertisements, lengthly detailed list of items in stock at stores, etc.), but this has happened at least three times that I know of.  In a part of metro Atlanta that is known for outstanding restaurants, the comments need to be credible and not read like an advertisement or claim to be "the best".  With the exceptions of awards by independent outside parties ("chief of the year" by a leading NY foundation, "best of" from credible media groups, etc.) - edits need to be balanced. If this continues, I would like some help from other wiki editors to monitor this. --(WT-en) Baxterguy 10:20, 26 November 2007 (EST)
 * A new edit has added a restaurant under two categories. I have deleted the second listing.  Beer and wine establishments that serve a short menu don't get listed under "coffee" just because they serve coffee.    --(WT-en) Baxterguy 08:12, 5 December 2007 (EST)

 * I updated the article: a) deleted restaurants that are closed; b) deleting a reference to Dawson's Camp that I cannot find a primary source for; and c) deleted (again) a reference to Kavarna - calling it a music venue and referencing a Creative Loafing award that it could not have received. (Kavarna opened too late to receive an award in the year the edit claims it did.)  --(WT-en) Baxterguy 17:11, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

 * Deleted references to 2007 restaurant recommendations by the local in-town press (Creative Loafing), since they will be outdated in August/September 2008 when new recommendations come out. Also did some minor clean-up to shorten the article - and it could stand to be shorter. The one thing that appears missing from this article is that Decatur is somewhat of a college town - with historic Emory, Agnes Scott and Columbia in/near the city.  The student/collegiate atmosphere sets this town off, as any visit to a pub or coffee house will make clear. --(WT-en) Baxterguy 10:34, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

 * Nice work! (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 18:45, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

package store
I need some direction. There are recent additions to this site that do not belong on wikivoyage - these include a package liquor store and a modest mexican restaurant in a non-tourist part of town. There are always debates/disagreements on what should be listed on this site, esp since Decatur has approx. 70 restaurants and is a "destination" in the 5.1M metro area for unique dining establishments. As a rule, I have tried to list unique restaurants (not mega chains) - many of the listings have appeared in Atlanta magazine, Creating Loafing (the local intown magazine), Southern Living, cnn.com (which is HQ here) and Better Homes & Gardens. I have eaten at several, and ask advice on the ones I have not eaten at. I have also listed some more economical listings (i.e., Taqueria) to balance the high end nationally known restaurants (i.e, Watershed). Also, there are several good mexican restaurants, so I have tried to be selective and not exhaustive (i.e, listing Mexico City Gourmet and not listing local chain Willy's, which is well-thought of and across the street). Other than being vigilent, any advice or criticism? Any advice on keeping package liquor stores and (with all due respect) unremarkable mexican restaurants off the list? This city is truly a restaurant destination town, and there are several restaurants missing that I have kept off due to constructive criticism related to limiting the total list. --(WT-en) Baxterguy 13:32, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

 * I think the package store I had added should be put back for the following reasons

 * 1) Many travelers are very interested in finding a good package store at their destination. I know several people who get to their hotel, then go to the liquor store, then go about whatever it is they are traveling for. If it isn't under Buy/General, then maybe it should be under Cope.
 * 2) This particular package store has a tremendous beer selection, and is commended for such on beer-lover sites. You may not be interested, but there are people who travel explicitly for beer. Such people coming to Decatur would never want to miss the Brick Store, nor would they want to miss Decatur Wine & Spirits.
 * 3) This store also specializes in hard-to-find wines and liquors. People travel to different countries just for a difficult-to-find bottle of wine. I have traveled over 100 miles for a hard-to find gin (which I later found this store has, btw, and which I have not found anywhere else in the greater Atlanta area). I know I am not (at all) alone in such behavior.
 * 4) I didn't think this site was just for tourists who go to tourist traps. Just because it isn't in Decatur Square doesn't mean it isn't worth visiting. And, more importantly, not all travelers are tourists.
 * Also, why was my addition of El Toro removed? That place is a Decatur tradition. It may not be tourist glamor, but people who want the local experience shouldn't miss this little place. (WT-en) Taring 22:54, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

My responses are as follows:
 * 1) This package liquor store is not in Decatur - it's north of Decatur surrounded by car dealerships near a congested intersection.
 * 2) If wikivoyage were to list a liquor store, there are multiple other package liquor stores in or closer to the city.  The others are also in better areas of the city. Decatur Liquors on Clairmont is a much more likely candidate for inclusion on this list than the one you propose.
 * 3) I am skeptical whether this is this is the only place in a metro area of 5.3 million for hard-to-find liquors?
 * 4) I have never heard anyone imply that this historic city with one-of-a-kind restaurants is a tourist trap. And this list is for tourists, business travelers, suburban residents (tired of Cracker Barrel) and local residents looking for something unique.
 * 5) There are multiple mexican restaurants in Decatur. That category in particular is tough to narrow down - and, if anything, there are too many on the list now. Also, the typical tourist, suburban resident or business traveler - is almost certainly not going to come to Decatur to go to El Toro. I don't mean to trash it - it's a decent, regular restaurant - I just don't know of anyone who views it as distinctive enough to put on a national website (either in the economical or upscale category). Taqueria de Sol and Mexico City Cafe are listed (along with Oakhurst listings) - others may believe Willy's or Testoros are better listings. Seventy plus restaurants in Decatur - and you think El Toro should make the list for something outstanding, unique or remarkable? Come on, dude. And if you add it, there may be pushback from a failure to cull the site down to a reasonable number of restaurants (see earlier posts).
 * 6) If you populate this site with "regular" restaurants and non-destination package liquor stores, you will diminish it's value.  Few are going to drive into from the suburbs or visit El Toro as a tourist/business traveler.  I recommend you look at wiktravel listings on other cities to better understand the site. (WT-en) Baxterguy 15:27, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * The package liquor store has been deleted. The attributes he listed sound like an ad in a newspaper - particularly since it does not stand out compared to others. Nor is it the appropriate store to list (if one should be listed.). It is also highly suspicious to list a modest mexican restaurant and a liquor store in that location when there are many other higher quality mexican restaurants and similar liquor stores closer to Decatur. --(WT-en) Baxterguy 08:49, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

 * I'm gonna have to vote for deleting the liquor store as well. It just doesn't sound particularly distinctive, and seems pretty out-of-the-way, and I think the number of people who travel in search of rare beverages is likely to be rather insignificant. (WT-en) Texugo 03:16, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Why is this article so long?
I don't mean to insult anyone who's put a lot of effort into this article, but this is way too long for a city that only has 20,000 people. (That's only 4% the size of Atlanta, and a mere 0.3% of Metro Atlanta!)

Yes, Decatur does have a lot of very good restaurants and boutique shops... but so does the rest of metro Atlanta. And Decatur is not so isolated that travelers would come to see Decatur and no other part of Atlanta. This article really needs to be pulled back into perspective as just one part of the extensive collection of cities and unincorporated towns that make up Atlanta. --(WT-en) BigPeteB 14:52, 8 April 2011 (EDT)

 * What in particular do you feel should be removed? Just because a town is small doesn't mean Wikivoyage shouldn't have a comprehensive guide, and after a quick scan of this article I'm not immediately seeing anything that looks like it is overly verbose, excessively detailed, etc. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:21, 8 April 2011 (EDT)

 * Well, let's see. For starters, the Climate, Talk, Contact, Consulates, and Media sections are all totally redundant; they belong in either Atlanta, Metro Atlanta, or Greater Atlanta area. There are also a lot of listings that aren't actually in Decatur, based on the maps from Talk:Atlanta and Talk:Atlanta/East. And then there are things that I'm not sure why they're listed at all... like 3 hospitals, 3 walk-in clinics, and a veterinarian.

 * I guess I'm kind of annoyed that the rest of Atlanta's articles are a bit neglected, but then a small portion of it like Decatur gets so much attention lavished on it. --(WT-en) BigPeteB 19:10, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
 * As for the redundant info (consulates etal), they can be cut and merged into the relevant city or district articles (if not there already). Though population should not dictate article length (see Kununurra, a town of about 7000) brevity can make a guide more useful. Plunge forward and cut the cruft. - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 22:02, 8 April 2011 (EDT)

I finally got around to working on this a bit. I've started by removing quite a few sections that are badly misplaced (things that belong in Atlanta, Metro Atlanta, or even Georgia.). Next, there are a bunch of listings for things that are not really in Decatur, which need to be moved to the appropriate district of Atlanta. Then, perhaps a few of the listings should be pared down; I'm not sure this article benefits from having 12 clothing boutiques with no descriptions. --(WT-en) BigPeteB 14:30, 21 August 2011 (EDT)

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Archive

 * 22nd: Christmas Raceday at Kyneton District Race Club - For pre-sold tickets and more information please visit Country Racing - Kyneton Races

Alternative banner for this article?
Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 17:15, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

 * I think it is more important to add more events to the pages that starting to make alternatives to work already done. In this case the picture is of an event that takes place on the 1st January. Could however do with a new one for this month as the banner is also at the moment being used for the Christmas Markets page. --Traveler100 (talk) 18:39, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

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 * December 25 - we don't usually have articles about a calendar date. -- (WT-en) Mark 10:37, 2 Dec 2005 (EST)
 * Delete -- (WT-en) Colin 10:39, 2 Dec 2005 (EST)
 * What about redirecting to December? The date is mentioned on the Calendar of events and festivals. At least if it is a redirect nobody will tag it again with graffiti. And I fixed the rest of the nasty table in El Salvador that caused this to happen. -- (WT-en) Huttite 19:32, 2 Dec 2005 (EST)
 * Redirect to December (WT-en) Hypatia 22:14, 18 Dec 2005 (EST)

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Talk:Deep Creek Lake

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I'm treating Deep Creek Lake like a city article, because while the lake is fairly large, it is almost always visited as one destination, and the "towns" around the lake are tiny—it would be a disservice to the traveler to split the area information up across multiple articles. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:27, 6 June 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Deerfield Township

Name
Yow -- according to WP there are no less than four Deerfield Townships in Ohio alone. How do we name this? Is it even needed, or can Warren Country act as the region? (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:11, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

Even though I apparently live only 7 - 15 minutes away from the township I had to ask "Where is Deerfield Township?". Looking at this Deerfield is unusually divided by Mason (Ohio). I'd propose deleting this page. Then shove all relevant Deerfield Township listings into either Mason (Ohio) or Loveland (Ohio). Alternatively, place listings on the Warren County article. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 23:32, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

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into Portland Article?

 * Hi! To link to the Maine Portland article use Portland . You can find out more at Project:Help, or just keep working and someone will be happy to make the changes for you! (WT-en) Majnoona 09:42, 5 May 2006 (EDT)

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The little blurb currently on the page describes this as a valley. Does that work with what an article is? I don't know the area, so is this a valid region that just needs work or should the article be deleted? -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 10:13, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Dehradun is a city situated in the Doon Valley. It definitely deserves an article of its own. 202.141.68.243 06:17, 8 January 2007 (EST)

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dekalb is in illios. not in alabama.

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Comments
Existing text on the original DeLand page appears to be quite old. Will have to be updated quite a bit. (WT-en) Gamweb 23:42, 10 August 2007 (EDT)

DeLand resident slightly disagrees
This article says see Stetson University, as a resident of DeLand, that is not a place to see, the place to see is the downtown historic area. - ZLEA (talk) 12:54, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Please plunge forward and edit the article for accuracy! Putting your opinion on the Talk page will likely have no effect on the article, especially as most readers won't know DeLand the way you do. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:56, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Delaware

Unnamed section
I think Delaware (state) passes the much-more-famous test. --(WT-en) Evan 16:20, 20 Nov 2005 (EST)

9 Cities
The cities list should be reduced to a limit of nine per policy. I don't know which exactly should remain (most of what I know about Delaware is that they are toll-happy highway robbers). Perhaps we could take out the beaches, since they are already listed under the Do section? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:49, 6 January 2008 (EST)

Images
Here's a startling statistic: as of 22:28, 3 November 2012 (CET), Wikitravel/Wikivoyage has zero images of Delaware. --Peter Talk 22:28, 3 November 2012 (CET)

Do section
It's way too long for a state-level article and shouldn't have any bulleted listings, only a summary that mentions a few highlights. And there should also be a "See" section that's structured in a similar way but concentrates on things to see, rather than activities to do. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:00, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Delaware
Hi, everyone. Do any of you know Delaware well enough to summarize a very long bulleted list an IP user posted in the "Do" section of the article? State-level articles should have prose summaries in "See" and "Do," not bulleted lists, let along such a long one. I posted a message on the IP user's talk page, but I don't feel confident s/he'll come back. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:21, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Would anyone like to work on cleaning this up? I'm tempted to move the long list to this talk page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:48, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Regional subdivision
As the issue came up at talk:USA, I will raise it here, to draw the attention of people who know Delaware better than I do. In short: Is the regional subdivision really needed and would we serve the traveler better if we had all information and all cities and other destinations at one handy place, that being this article? Best wishes Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:52, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

 * I'm no Delaware expert, having only traveled through the state, but what I would say is: The regional divisions are real, but the state is one of the smallest in the US, and since I don't see how these poor-quality region articles help anyone, I would support merging their content into this article and redirecting. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:33, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

 * That's what I'd say as well. How long should we wait until a consensus has emerged? Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:00, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

 * In cases like this, there is some value to having a regional structure in place even before sufficient city articles have been written to fill them out. Delaware is a small state indeed, but its subregions (being counties) are comparable to the lowest-level regions in most other states. Powers (talk) 23:44, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

 * While counties might make administrative sense, there is really a question yet to be answered, whether all counties in existence need their own WV article. If and when Delaware gets enough destinations covered to merit subdivision, we may subdivide. As of now, I don't see any need whatsoever. Best wishes Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:53, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

 * I think I agree with Hobbitschuster. The three counties divide the state into real regions, and that should be noted in this article, but until there's enough content for it to be justifiable to create 3 separate region articles, I think we shouldn't have those articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:33, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

 * We never resolved this. It was 2-1 in favor of getting rid of the regions for now - not a consensus, to be sure. Does anyone else have any opinions on this? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:49, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Hey, look! more than a year after the last "we never resolved this" we still haven't resolved this. any thoughts on how to proceed? Maybe add more voices to the conversation? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:48, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I mean, you can do what you want, but I don't see any point in deleting the county articles only to recreate them again when Delaware has more content. Powers (talk) 17:00, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * It's rare that a county makes a usable division for a Wikivoyage region, unless it happens to align with something else (like an individual NYC borough or one large SFO-sized city)... simply because it's the wrong size to cover "7±2 cities". If anything, there are very few cities in Delaware of any size, with Wilmington (Delaware) the one obvious exception. Most of the "cities" listed are small individual villages each named after a small local beach. Instead of splitting this into subregions with a region page for each subregion, perhaps we should be treating this the way the list of villages in Adirondacks was handled - split the city list into three or four "7±2 village" subsections on one lone region page (in this case, the entire state; in Adirondacks, the entire park), then have the next level below this page be the individual city or village articles - with no intervening subregion or county pages. There just isn't enough here to justify multiple levels of regionalisation to subdivide Delaware as this is one of the geographically-tiniest states in the Union, and I don't expect this to change unless the state annexes Alaska. K7L (talk) 17:56, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

"Do" section
This whole long list was in "Do". I put it here in case it's of use, but what's really needed in that section is a much briefer prose overview of the highlights of things to do (not sights like museums) in Delaware.

You can gamble 'til your heart's content

There's also quite a bit of small town charm, like:
 * Sussex County's Punkin Chunkin, where specially grown pumpkins are shot from devices such as air-powered cannons, trebuchets, catapults, and various other contraptions. The goal is to see which device can hurl a pumpkin the greatest distance, with some currently reaching distances of almost a mile. The carnival atmosphere is themed in pumpkins with more and more attractions added each year.
 * Sussex County's Punkin Chunkin, where specially grown pumpkins are shot from devices such as air-powered cannons, trebuchets, catapults, and various other contraptions. The goal is to see which device can hurl a pumpkin the greatest distance, with some currently reaching distances of almost a mile. The carnival atmosphere is themed in pumpkins with more and more attractions added each year.

In addition to the beaches, gambling, and shopping, Delaware has many small and unique historical places and museums. Some things to check out would be:

In New Castle County:
 * Gardens at DE Center for Horticulture
 * Gardens at DE Center for Horticulture
 * Gardens at DE Center for Horticulture
 * Gardens at DE Center for Horticulture
 * Gardens at DE Center for Horticulture
 * Gardens at DE Center for Horticulture
 * Gardens at DE Center for Horticulture
 * Gardens at DE Center for Horticulture

In Kent County:

In Sussex County:

Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:46, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Should the lead explain Delmarva?
The lead section of Eastern Shore (Maryland) explains Delmarva, and points to the other Delmarva articles. Should we do the same here? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 00:19, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Maybe not the lede, but this article lacks an "understand" section, which is where I'd suggest including information about Delmarva. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:22, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Not that I necessarily disagree, but why not the lead? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 00:26, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * There is an "Understand" section, below "Cities" and "Other destinations." Why? Because it didn't seem as basic as what's now in the lede, but play around with the lede and "Understand" as you wish. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:29, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * To me, it almost seems more basic to then what's in the lead. The state borders of Delmarva look pretty artificial, not something that would really be that useful for the traveler. Delmarva itself, on the other hand, looks like a natural region, something that would be quite useful and meaningful to the traveler. It'd probably be better if we had a Delmarva article. But since we don't, I'm thinking it'd be best to give the reader very easy access to the other Delmarva articles.

 * But like you said, let's play with the article and see how it goes. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 00:52, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * I made the edit, but it's clunky. We'll want to smooth out the clunkyness. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 01:03, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * I see your point and agree with your edits. I'm surprised there's no Delmarva article. I think there should be, even if it's the kind of extraregion article that's really a brief explanation and then a disambiguation. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:12, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Who says it has to be a brief explanation and then a disambiguation? That's the way extra-hierarchical regions usually are (I think), but not always. Great Lakes is an (otherwise) normal region article, despite being an EHR. And frankly: I think a Delmarva travel guide would be more useful then a Delaware travel guide. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 01:33, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * I didn't mean to say it had to be like that, I said I'm surprised there's no extraregion article for it even if that's all there was. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:36, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Alright, I'll go ahead and create one. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk)

 * Here it is. It needs quite a bit of work, but it's a start. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 01:58, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Outline or Useful status?
This is listed as an Outline-status guide? But it looks more Usable then Outline to me, should it be labeled as Usable? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 04:29, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * According to Region guide status, Usable-level regions must have "links to the region's major cities and other destinations (the most important of which must be at usable status or better)... a Get in section describing all of the typical ways to get there, [and] the most prominent attractions are identified with directions." Delaware has the first two of those things but lacks anything at all in the "See" section. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:38, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Well, looks like it's still Outline then. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 06:57, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Should the Wilmington area be its own region?
I'm no expert on Delaware. But looking at a map, I'm thinking that counties might not be the best way to divide it. The Wilmington area, the area north of the C&D Canal, looks very different then the area south of the canal. I'm inclined to say that the Wilmington area should be it's own region. Actuality, the Northern Delaware guide doesn't list anything south of the canal. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 07:09, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * At this point, I'd say no, because the existing Northern Delaware article has only 3 places listed in its "Cities" section. Maybe you'd like to improve that article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:15, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Spiting Northern Delaware into two different regions isn't a good idea. I was thinking more like, extend Central Delaware north to the canal. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 07:25, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Are you suggesting reducing the number of regions in the state to two - north of the canal and south of the canal? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:33, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Actuality, after looking the region articles over some more, I'm questioning if there should be any regions. There's very little content in the region articles, and they only list 11 cities total. I think the region articles could be merged into this article. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 07:40, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * I heartily agree, and if you check the discussion above in the section, you'll see that all but one person agreed. That's probably a consensus. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:13, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * My count is 4-1 in favor of merging the 3 regions here - not an overwhelming consensus, but it might be the best we'll get for an article like this one, which is of limited interest to many people. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:14, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * I've created a draft of the merged article. I've become convinced that we should merge. There's very little to actuality merge! Aside from the city list, the only content in the region articles is a description of the borders of the regions (the merged article won't need that), a listing for "Killens Pond Water Park" in Central, and a "Jolly Trolley" listing in the South that might just be spam. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 08:42, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * I suppose the first question before we merge is: Is that "Jolly Trolley" listing in the Southern Delaware just spam? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 08:57, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Based on their website, they're relevant to Rehoboth Beach, not to any regional article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:01, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * And "Rehoboth Beach" already lists Jolly Trolley. What about Killens Pond Water Park, should that be in a city guide? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 09:06, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * The best city-guide I can find to put the water park in is Dover, but Dover is ten miles away. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 09:36, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * I'll go ahead and abolish the regions. There's not much point in waiting till we figure out what to do with the water park. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 09:47, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * It's OK to have a listing for a water park that's 10 miles out of town. If it's appropriate, it could be put in an "Outside of town" subsection of "Do". Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:28, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Done.

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Talk:Delaware Valley

Hierarchy
I'd like to see some commentary to make me see how this article could possibly jive with our geographical hierarchy. It is a single region article shared by several states but encompassing only part of each state, which seems to make this article sort of overlap, since clicking on a subregion from a state article takes you to a region article which is bigger than just that subregion. Under normal circumstances this would be broken up into Delaware Valley (Pennsylvania), Delaware Valley (Delaware), etc., and in that case this article would clearly be redundant/overlapping in that not-so-wikivoyage way. What to do? (WT-en) Texugo 03:51, 5 March 2008 (EST)
 * Not only that, but I just noticed that the Maryland and Delaware articles don't even link here, and New Jersey has its own separate Delaware River Region article which, again, doesn't even link here. How can we clean this up? (WT-en) Texugo 03:54, 5 March 2008 (EST)
 * This has the same problem Metro New York had until we finally turned it into an extra-region and started a separate Downstate New York article. The way to clean this up is exactly the same way: turn this article into an extra-region and create a Delaware Valley (Pennsylvania) article that's breadcrumbed to Philadelphia Region. (Or should that be Philadelphia region? If not, why not?) Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:32, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Delémont

Do we need redlinks for "Swiss German Phrasebook" and "Alsatian Phrasebook"?
How likely are speakers of those languages going to feel anything but offended when spoken to in them by a non-native speaker instead of standard German, French or English? Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:14, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Rather unlikely, I's say take them out. Personally I always feel a bit awkard when tourists try to speak Swiss German instead of just using standard German. Drat70 (talk) 13:51, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * That was what I gathered as well. I think that's where the line between "language" and "dialect" - if it is even a useful category - could be drawn. People who speak a dialect feel awkward when an outsider tries to speak their idiom. People who speak a language will usually feel appreciative. Though I am pretty sure people in Nicaragua would make snide comments were one to speak all too Spanish there... Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:57, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:DeLeon Springs

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Comments
I am not sure whether to name this page "DeLeon Springs" or "DeLeon Springs State Park". DeLeon Springs is not an incorporated city, but it is a "census designated place" and has its own mailing address. Wikipedia has two separate pages. I do not believe there is enough content to have two separate pages on WikiTravel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Leon_Springs_State_Park

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeLeon_Springs%2C_Florida

''De Leon Springs is a census-designated place (CDP) in Volusia County, Florida, United States. The population was 2,358 at the 2000 census. One of Florida's state parks, De Leon Springs State Park, is located in De Leon Springs, as is the Strawn Historic Citrus Packing House District.''

Any opinions? (WT-en) Gamweb 23:38, 8 August 2007 (EDT)

 * My preference is the way you have it--DeLeon Springs. Then have the park within the article however it fits (Do, Sleep, whatever). (WT-en) OldPine 13:52, 9 August 2007 (EDT)

 * Thanks, I guess I shall have to come up with a "hybrid" template between a park and a city. (WT-en) Gamweb 20:41, 10 August 2007 (EDT)

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