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Talk:Frankfurt

Museums
I'll slowly add the museums one by one. I haven't visited many of them myself - yet. I'll of course add more detailed descriptions when and if I get around to doing that. - (WT-en) Nils Jan 8th, 2004

Less stubby, indeed!
This article has had a great growth spurt. Nice job! --(WT-en) Evan 14:22, 10 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * Thanks, well, it's still pretty basic. --(WT-en) Nils 22:35, Jan 10th 2004 (CET)

I just started making a few additions and minor corrections to the article. --(WT-en) Merlinemyrs 08:18, 19 February 2012 (EST)

Photos
I have them so I figured we might as well use them and show people what Frankfurt looks like. I may add more but only of specific attractions. Rearrange as you see fit. I chose 350px because I really consider anything less to be too small. -- (WT-en) Nils 2004-01-12 15:11 CET

 * Great pictures! One concern: on the image policy page, it says that we should use the minimum number of images necessary (bandwidth and other restraints). I'm worried that we have 4 overview shots of Frankfurt, and they're not all that different. --(WT-en) Evan 11:53, 12 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * A travel guide needs photos of places. Not hundreds, but definitely more than one. If it's too much you can always move them to a sub page. As for bandwidth, well, we live in the age of ADSL... and it's not like each photo is a megabyte or something. -- (WT-en) Nils 2004-01-12 19:48 CET

 * We can move this discussion to Project:image policy, if you'd like to see the policy changed. One of our goals is to support travellers "on the road". Heavy image usage -- especially unnecessary images -- doesn't help those users. Personally, I've been in Web cafes in Hanoi with 10 computers sharing a 56K modem... it's painful. --(WT-en) Evan 13:58, 12 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * Okay, let's move the image discussion there. Meanwhile, I would say keep TWO photos then. The one that is on the article now, and the general skyline photo of the high rises that was the first to be added. The two should give a good "first glance" of the city. Also, maybe resize them to 250 pixels to reduce bandwidth consumption. -- (WT-en) Nils 13:45 Jan 13th, 2004 CET

Todo
To get this article to a "final" stage, the following need to be done:
 * Complete major museums' listings.
 * Add information on postal offices
 * Add at least some drinking places

-- Nils

 * Also add airport visitor terrace (I think there are also tours available)

Local Patriotism...
If you correct my population numbers, you could have at least taken the effort to check the official source, the last figure they seem to have is about 650k people in Q4/2003. :-)

Pics
I copied the image of the skyline to the top of the page, because it's a bit more what people think of when thinking about Frankfurt. The aerial photograph could frankly be pretty much any city with river. I did leave the photo also in the section about the skyline - the article is getting longish, and since it's the same URL the browser will only load the image once anyway.

Worldcup Suwbay Station
The subway station for the football stadium was recently renamed to "Stadium". Older travel guides (pre-2006) will likely refer to it by its older name "Sportfeld".

-- Nils

Begger Section
Perhaps we could include what those terms mean in english. Since im sure people would want to know roughly what they are saying, And most websites dont translate it fully.

"Official" website link
I just deleted a quasi-extlinks section from the foot of the guide; it contained a link to http://www.stadt-frankfurt.de which maybe ought to be included elsewhere - maybe in the "Understand" section?

Alt-Sachsenhausen comments
text that was commented out, moved from the Alt-Sachsenhausen section to here:

And even these days seem to come to an end now: When the US Army had a lot of troops stationed in Frankfurt those were the people who would mainly go to Sachsenhausen. Now as they have much reduced the number of soldiers, many of the bars and restaurants are empty most of the time and some are already closing down.

There are still some good bars, but it's not nearly as "in" as it used to be. You go there because you heard the name, not because you expect superb bars. And be sure you won't mind being surrounded by fellow tourists.

In all honesty, Alt-Sachsenhausen can be safely avoided; you won't miss out on much. There are other bars throughout the city that are more interesting than any found in Alt-Sachsenhausen. //// i commented this out, since a single opinion and does not reflect the actual situation, "Alt-Sachs" ist still well visited, of course there are 'good' and 'bad' days, relating to weather, time and maybe bank holidays

Actually, there are a couple of nice apple wine places in Alt-Sachsenhausen. I added a few and also named a few on Textorstr. I also added a small paragraph on how to order apple wine. --(WT-en) Merlinemyrs 08:20, 19 February 2012 (EST)

"the German police are not corrupt"
Ah, thanks for making it clear, we were all thinking that down there in the old continent all police was corrupt by default.

Museums free on Wednesdays?
I went to Frankfurt in August 2008 and my travel guide, published 2008, claimed that all "municipal museums" were free on Wednesdays. However the Senckenberg, Staedel and Moderne Kunst museums all charged me full price. Did the policy change or are those museums not municipal?

I think it free after 6 p.m., in Berlin also free on Thursday after 6 p.m. ///Yoo

Granola drop-out?
This expression might be clear for some native English (US-only?) speakers, but searching for it on Google leads to no explanation whatsoever. Would anyone care to replace this by proper English? For the record, Granola is a trademark in the US (it's a cereal bar), so I suppose it would be better not to use it on Wikivoyage. Besides, I may be wrong, but it sounds derogatory.
 * Hi! Feel free to plunge forward and change it to something good.(WT-en) Jc8136 08:02, 15 June 2012 (EDT)

I never heard about this before. Granola dropout, that's so strange...

Frankfurt bike-friendly?
"Frankfurt is bike-friendly, featuring an expansive network of bike lanes." Really? To me Frankfurt seems about the least bike friendly city in NW Europe. It often feels like a suicide mission. (There must a reason why so many people wear bike helmets). This is probably very dependent on what you're used to. Outside of the city center bike lanes are very sparse. In Bornheim/Nordend I know of only two. I would suggest: "The city center has a few bike lanes, but drivers are not very used to cyclists." The work on rental bikes is thorough though, thanks for that. JasperVanDenBosch (talk) 14:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Jasper, i think Frankfurt is good for bikes compared to the size of the city. There are several cities in Germany that do way worse (but of course some are better). I think in an international comparison everyone in London would dream to have a bike lane;-) My experience in Frankfurt is that driver respect cyclists but it is dense traffic. Imho the traffic intensity is the real problem. jan (talk) 14:36, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article?

In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:04, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

 * I'm not too familiar with Frankfurt, having only changed planes in their airport, but the new banner is clearer, so I'd be inclined to go with it for that reason, regardless of any other factor. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:13, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

 * Although I'm not a big fan of generic cityscapes, the proposed banner is clearer than the existing one, so it should be used. I can;t think of many iconic places in Frankfurt to make a banner out of, except perhaps the financial district. Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:44, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

 * I actually think the banner I made works better as a banner graphically and is a nicer (warmer and more colourful and inviting) pic, but that may only be me. This is still the same general thing, so I guess it's a matter of taste. If the rotating thing is still working, we may use both on rotation. PrinceGloria (talk) 18:22, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * PS. Note about "clarity" - do open both the en.voy and hebrew.voy in the browser and compare. I believe that when used as a banner at "banner resolution", the "Hebrew" banner comes across as grainy. I prefer the softer tones of the picture I used as a start for my banner.

 * Well, you are in a minority opinion, as both me, Ikan Kekek and Andrewssi2 think the new banner is clearer, and thus the better choice. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 16:08, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

 * 3-1 is not a huge consensus. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:45, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

 * The current small English Wikivoyage community is nothing like the English Wikipedia community and therefore, as of 2014, discussions about banners are most likely to be decided in the present by around 4-6 community members most of the time (even though I invited the community to take part in the discussion from the Travellers' pub). Due to this fact, we would need to get used to this reality in which in the present discussions about banners are in many times most likely going to be decided by the majority opinion amongst 4-6 members rather than a clear 10 to 1. Either way, why in your opinion should the minority opinion (PrinceGloria's opinion) in this case matter more than the majority opinion (me, Ikan Kekek and Andrewssi2's opinion)? Does the official EN Wikivoyage policy support this notion that the minority opinion in this case should matter more than the majority opinion (if so please refer me to this policy). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 03:33, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Thatotherperson talk contribs  05:07, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think Ikan was suggesting that PrinceGloria's opinion should win out in the end, but rather that the issue hadn't been fully resolved yet. With that said, I also like the new banner better than the old one for a number of reasons: the river is more visible, the nameplate is framed better, the skyscrapers aren't cut off at the top, and the lighting is better. The old one does have slightly smoother coloration, but it's still a dark photo with an industrial vibe and a prominent railyard, versus a bright photo with a metropolitan vibe and a prominent tree-lined river.

 * Yes, Thatotherperson made my point on consensus. Now that the consensus is 4-1, I would suggest that unless someone else objects in the next 24 hours or so, we should make the change (again). Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:19, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

 * It still isn't a consensus, a consensus is agreeing on something, not a percentage of votes (which is why I didn't like the proposer's approach as outlined in the Pub).
 * I really don't find the new banner significantly better than the old banner. It's just newer. The only point I could agree with is that the nameplate does have a less intrusive backdrop with the new banner. Otherwise, they both show the river, the railroad is prominent in both as it indeed is in Frankfurt, and I find the framing actually better in the old banner (duh, I made it myself, I wouldn't defend it if I haven't found it good). I believe the colour theme is more enticing, inviting, and more Frankfurt, however dark and "industrial" it may feel - this is Frankfurt. As to the cutting off of skyscrapers, this is how you see them most of the time in Frankfurt, they just cut across your POV and unless you look rally high up, you don't see the tips.
 * My important point here is that really replacing something good with something just slightly better is really not worth the effort IMHO. We may vote as to which banner do we prefer, but is this really so important to replace that banner? Are we going to hold contests whose banners win more votes in articles where it is fairly easy to make banners? I derive certain pride in creating banners and feel good if a creation I find really good remains up there. Acknowledging other users' achievements in that area, I try no to contest banners I find really good, but rather look for articles with no banner or banners that are clearly not very good. I believe this approach helps spread the energy generated by the desire to have one's banner up there and feel proud about over as many articles as possible and generally helps make the site better and more appealing.
 * I feel that the user's approach is "may the best banner win (and may it be MY BANNER HAHAHAHA)!", and not "may we have many great banners". I do not like this spirit of competitiveness and one-uppism, this is not good for the collaborative spirit we need - and lack - here. PrinceGloria (talk) 06:47, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe a consensus is understood on this site to be a substantial majority. Everyone who's taken the time and effort to make pagebanners deserves thanks and appreciation from all of us. While you are absolutely right that creating pagebanners for articles that lack them is a more important task, if someone has created another pagebanner in another language's Wikivoyage, it's good for us to look at it. Meanwhile, South Hesse, the region that's one level up the breadcrumb trail from Frankfurt, lacks a pagebanner, so your pagebanner could certainly go there. All that said, perhaps it would be better to wait for at least 2 days to see if anyone else prefers not to change the pagebanner for this article. So please do wait for a couple of days at least, ויקיג'אנקי. There is no important reason to rush. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:41, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

PrinceGloria, I'm very sorry that you were offended because I suggested new banners. My aim here is definitely not to offend you but rather to suggest alternative banners for specific locations which in my opinion work out better. As we have seen, in many instances the members of the En Voy community may very well disapprove of specific suggestions I make, YET, in some specific instances, the majority of EN voy members might agree with me that it would be better to use alternative banners than the existing banners.

Either way, I would strongly recommend that you start trying to accept the following realities:

 * 1) Wikivoyage banners, as well as any of the other elements appearing in the articles, are open to discussion at any time now and in the future.
 * 2) This is not a private website but a massively edited international collaborative project, which is edited by thousands of people from all over the world, and therefore, it is inevitable that sooner or later you'll come across someone whom disliked a specific banner you created and they will suggest that a new alternative banner would be used instead.
 * 3) In the future instances in which specific new alternative banners would actually end up being favored by a majority of community members in a discussion, existing banners might very well end up being changed based on the new consensus reached.
 * 4) Based on my experience with Wiki culture, most likely, in 5 years, or 10 years or 20 years from now, most of the banners currently used in Eng Voy would probably end up being replaced by more much successful and spectacular panoramic photos, whether you like it or not (this would most likely happen when the En Voy community would become much larger and diverse).
 * 5) Although ideally everyone whom participated in such a discussion would reach eventually a unanimous agreement over the final change to be made, nevertheless, in practice, in most cases, such discussion do no end in an agreement by which all parties agree on one change which satisfies everyone (this seems to be the case in this discussion). In such instances, it is customary in most Wikimedia foundation wikis that after a reasonable amount of time has gone by since the beginning of the discussion, the change which got the majority support in the discussion would be applied to the article.
 * 6) In addition to constantly creating new banners for articles that do not have any banners (see for example the banner I just created for the article Zikhron Ya'akov based on a picture I just imported from flickr), I am going to continue suggesting alternative banners in the instances in which I think a better banners should be used. In addition, I must also state that I won't be offended if you suggest a better banner for Zikhron Ya'akov or any other banner I created.

ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 15:00, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Opposing the change of Banner. Although I don't like the current one, I think the contrast and color of the newly proposed one is worse. Btw both User:PrinceGloria and me contributed a lot to this article. --Axisstroke (talk) 20:19, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Just found this banner on commons, currently used on the Italian, French, and Greek sites but doesn't have a home here. Thatotherperson talk contribs  08:09, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That's very nice. Does it accurately represent the city? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:34, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Thatotherperson talk contribs  09:01, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering the same thing. I don't speak French, Italian, or Greek, but the other sites all appear to be using it on region articles.

 * If we ever decided to districtify Frankfurt, we could use it for the Old Town. Otherwise, it is very nice, but not quite representative of Frankfurt - it hides the modern skyline of the city, which is generally visible from every part thereof, very skillfully thanks to the angle and framing. PrinceGloria (talk) 09:47, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

 * I agree that it is not representative for Frankfurt town. --Axisstroke (talk) 03:32, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

South Hessefied. – Thatotherperson talk contribs  06:58, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

 * I still prefer the current banner page but if other are not satisfied here are a few more options. --Traveler100 (talk) 13:53, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Thatotherperson talk contribs  00:50, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I like #3, but #4 isn't even wide enough to qualify. The minimum is 1800 pixels.

 * Added another few pictures. Maybe they are an option as well. To me it is either #1 or #7--Renek78 (talk) 11:35, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion 2019 and onwards
I think I like banner 6 best. It shows the contrast of old and new that is characteristic for the parts of Frankfurt visitors are likely to see (remember that Frankfurt Airport is its own article) and it manages to even make that city look relatively non-ugly even to me, a confirmed Frankfurtophobe. Hobbitschuster (talk) 11:54, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

removal of hotel entry
I can understand moving the Marriott out of Splurge into mid-range but any reason for removal from the page? Particularly as it is one of the most visible on the skyline and a popular brand with North American visitors. --Traveler100 (talk) 18:49, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

 * I am with you - with hotels I believe we actually SHOULD be a Yellow Pages, listing all but those really obscure and not recommendable. If we go by "when I like it, I put it in, when I don't, I remove it", we will have too much traffic I believe. I did not find certain museums in Paris particularly fascinating, but they're there, people will be looking for them and it is worthwhile to describe them and put them on the map for orientation. Same with hotels, however less sublime they may feel - people will be looking for information on them and will want to locate them on a map to orient themselves around them, as they tend to be fairly visible. PrinceGloria (talk) 19:04, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

 * User:Traveler100, i made the change and during that decided to delete as well. I believe Frankfurt is at the moment having a strong growth of hotels for business travellers. The Marriott is turning ugly and even if it is visible in the Frankfurt skyline, i really didn't like it when i was in it. You are free to reinsert it in the mid-range but -as far as i'm aware- WV is not the yellow pages and others might delete again. @ PrinceGloria: Am i seeing traces of irony in your statement? jan (talk) 19:18, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

 * I am absolutely serious here - I believe all major hotels should be listed. If they are thoroughly not recommendable due to particular reasons, let us make the reasons clear in the descriptions. This will serve travellers better IMHO. PrinceGloria (talk) 20:21, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * PS. "Splurge" and "Mid-range" are classifications by price levels, not standards. If the Marriott is decrepit, derelict and not living up to its promise, as well as falling behind other hotels but STILL charging top dollar, it belongs in Splurge. The description field is there to let travellers know what they get for the price. The best hotel in town may still be the cheapest and the other way around. We split the hotels by price, not quality.
 * Mmh, i remember that was a policy that WV are not the yellow pages. I will check but i think otherwise most Indian articles wouldn't be more editable. Re: Marriott, prices go down so definitely mid-range jan (talk) 20:38, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Someone looking at the page would just assume such a large hotel has simply been missed. Would it not be better to add an informed description of the hotel? --Traveler100 (talk) 20:50, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Traveler100, i will not start edit warring, so feel free to enter it at mid-range. Corporate rates start at 89 Euros, so the price reflects the comfort level. jan (talk) 20:54, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Corporate rates are one thing, but I am unable to find a date where a generally available rate is less than EUR 100. I may have hose a bad sample of random dates, so feel free to correct me. At any rate, pardon the pun, I guess we do need to establish the price bands for Frankfurt and how to put hotels into them (e.g. checking three weekends in particular months that are not fair dates and taking the average or sth, using rates from hotel's own site). PrinceGloria (talk) 21:32, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

[unindent] Without prejudice to this particular hotel, the relevant policy page is Goals and non-goals. Non-goal #7:

''Yellow pages of restaurants, hotels, bars, etc. City guides should certainly include information for travel-related companies, but these should be kept to a useful number. Think of a friend from out of town asking you where they should go – you wouldn't list all 200 possibilities, but 5–10 options for a particular type, budget, or part of town would be helpful.'' Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:33, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Frankfurt
Dear all,

I will be arriving by plane to Frankfurt on May 19 and I plan to make a one-day trip to Erfurt on that occasion. Since I wouldn't want to lose time by getting first to my Frankfurt hotel to leave my luggage and then return to the Train Station, my question is the following: is there any luggage storage at the Frankfurt Airport Train Station? Or at the Erfurt Train Station? Or where can I leave my luggage in safety for a few hours, other than the hotel? Thank you in advance,

Valentin

 * Please ask questions like this on Tourist office.
 * The Airport train station doesn't appear to have left luggage, but Erfurt sation has lockers (Schließfächer). You may need coins to use a locker. AlasdairW (talk) 14:02, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

 * In all cases I know of, train stations in Germany have lockers that can only be accessed by paying coins, if they have lockers at all. At any rate, unless you have booked your ticket (s) already, rail and fly might diminish your time at Frankfurt airport station, as it includes a flexible ticket and ICE should be running along that route at least once an hour. Have a nice and safe trip. Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:59, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

 * There are luggage storage drop off places in Frankfurt Airport. --Traveler100 (talk) 19:33, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata items for dynamic map
Below is the map with all Wikidata items for the districts of Frankfurt. This should simplify the work in case we want to districtify the city in the future. The tool Wikidata Extractor has been used to create the mapshapes. (Note: Missing mapframes will show up in the coming days) --Renek78 (talk) 17:26, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Standard German, Dialect or leaving it out entirely?
In light of this edit and the fact that "Mach dich ab" isn't actually proper standard German, what should we do about this mess? Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:30, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

New listing for "The Palace"
See here, but then look at its link. Is this really mainly a place for saunas? If so, why is it called "heiss und sexy" and why do its photos look like an advertisement for a strip club catering primarily to heterosexual men? Secondarily, what does "oriental" mean? It's not an acceptable word anymore in the United States, but more than that, it's unclear, and I was hoping to be able to see some scenery on their site to be able to tell whether it imitates the Far East or perhaps Iran or the Middle East. But having had a look at the site, I'm wondering whether the description is accurate. And lurking in the background is this site's sexual tourism policy, which would not apply to a strip club, but the services actually performed at this place should be clarified. What do you all think? Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:43, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

 * It seems at the very least that the IP adding the listing wasn't open about what place this is (ignorant or not). I think that means we cannot trust the listing and it should be deleted. If somebody can describe it properly and it is in scope, then please do, but somebody wanting a relaxing sauna experience with dinner could get quite chocked if those images tell what the place is about. I am deleting it now. –LPfi (talk) 21:44, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Districtification
This article seemed to me a little bit too long and convoluted. Should we discuss splitting it into districts? Just thinking loud here. Ibaman (talk) 19:48, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Frankfurt Airport

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Swept in from the travellers pub
redundant page

I noticed the Frankfurt Airport page is empty and only has three references. The links from the refering pages can be removed without loosing any information. Should the page be removed? The relevant information is already in the Get In section of the appropriate pages as done for the Haneda Airport redirect. -- (WT-en) hscholz 22:57, 1 February 2008 (BRST)

 * Airports exist in a bit of gray zone: we've got individual articles for a few biggies (Heathrow Airport, Kansai International Airport), but most don't. Frankfurt is certainly big enough to qualify in theory, but if there's no content, I say just redirect it back to Frankfurt for time being. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:44, 3 February 2008 (EST)

Feedback on aiport template edits
One comment regarding the recent changes - I think that ONLY hotels located on the airport property should be listed in this article. We go to great lengths to discourage companies from spamming us with listings and have been steadfast in the one listing only rule, so I don't want to see airports become an exception. If a hotel isn't on the airport property then simply state something like " Town X and Town Y are a short taxi ride from the airport and offer many additional (and quieter) hotel options." -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:41, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it is valuable to the traveller to know what airport are near the airport, particularly those with shuttle buses to and from the airport. Clicking though many pages would be a long job and you no-longer have a printable list. In this case of the hotels here new pages would have to be created for the outlining towns. --Traveler100 (talk) 19:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I suspect you'll get a lot of pushback on listing the hotel in both articles, rather than just mentioning town/district in the airport listing, as it would be an exception to Don't tout. For a similar example, see Yosemite - the listed towns are essentially just tiny portals with services for park visitors, but following the "one listing only" rule the individual establishments don't get a second listing in the Yosemite article; instead we note that they have accessible lodging suitable for park visitors, and the reader can then review those articles for more information.  If we open up airport articles to any hotel that claims to be near the airport, or that has a hotel shuttle, I suspect that the utility of the airport hotel section will diminish quickly. -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:54, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * On the face of it, I agree. We don't want businesses to be able to list themselves twice. It's spammy and touty in its effect, even if it's by someone with pure intentions like you (Traveler100). Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:38, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * If it's instructive, O'Hare International Airport does list hotels, but those are not included in other articles. --Peter Talk 05:08, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The new format looks good, trying out on the Frankfurt Airport article. Have just added a little information on parking as text but wondering if this would be better as a number of listings, particularly if start adding long-stay possibilities. --Traveler100 (talk) 12:04, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

wifi info outdated
as of September 2014 there is another system of "free" wifi in place if I recall correctly you get 24 hours for free offering a (throwaway) email-address (they don't check whether it actually exists, so you could use justin-vented@fake.com). However I don't know the exact detailsHobbitschuster (talk) 18:13, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

 * As this is now dealt with in the article should it be moved to an archive or something like that?Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:34, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

 * No need to archive yet. Anyone seeing this discussion will understand. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:27, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Proposal
I noticed that there are a bunch of small places around the airport that are mostly of interest to our readers insofar as they contain hotels in reasonable proximity to the airport itself. Now how about we list them in some omnibus article like "villages surrounding Frankfurt airport" with the sleep (and maybe the eat) section divided by the individual villages. That way we get less empty articles and on relatively convenient way for people to look up all the options. What do y'all think? Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:50, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Would loose the destination tags on maps which are useful when looking for places in a particular area. Although the locations are mainly to do with the airport, there are other reason for travelers being in the area. Particularly business travellers visiting companies such as Opel, Hyundai, Deutsche Flugsicherung, Tetrapak, Industriepark Höchst, ... I think more productive would be adding more information to the pages. This is a high population and economic area, lack of information is not a reason to remove pages. --Traveler100 (talk) 19:09, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Does anybody actually use said destination tags? Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:44, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Well I do, all the time. Region articles for areas you do not know can be difficult to see what is close to where, cannot rely on the go next. Or for planning a route and seeing what place are just of the highway. --Traveler100 (talk) 20:24, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

 * Kind of your judgement call. Personally I'm usually keen to get away from an airport ASAP, but if there are truly useful places to visit close by then by all means include. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 20:35, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The proposal is not about adding more information but deleting article with low listing counts. --Traveler100 (talk) 21:07, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict)Andrewssi2 there might have been a misunderstanding. What I am proposing is to combine the articles on places like Kelsterbach into some place other than this airport article (which consensus is against) because they contain nothing more than their hotel. At lest that is the case for most people who go there... Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:08, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

(starting at the left again)It's not so much about deleting articles as about merging the hotels into one convenient easily to access article as any individual character these villages may have ever had does not exist any more and there main (only) draw are indeed their "airport" hotels... Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:11, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Addition: nota bene: Rüsselsheim is not of this category as the town itself does have one or two things other than hotels, as a look at de-WV shows... (and its number of inhabitants) Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:14, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * But when I stay at a hotel near an airport, usually because of early flight the next day, the next thing I want to know is where to get something to eat nearby. Therefore reason for article of small towns. Also as stated above, there are other reasons people travel to the area. Initially all hotels with airport shuttles were listed in the airport article but a number of people did not like that idea. --Traveler100 (talk) 21:18, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

 * Not sure which consensus you are referring to, but with respect to Kelsterbach I would say that the traveler is served better by combining those hotels into the airport article. Kelsterbach does not appear to be a destination in itself at present and should be merged. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:03, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

 * On some discussion elsewhere (it may have been the airport expedition) there was a consensus on not listing "nearby" hotels in airport articles. Though merging Kelsterbach (and some of the other places listed in the sleep section) into this here article would imho be the most elegant solution... Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:55, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

 * Not sure if I saw that particular discussion, but not listing hotels near an airport is not serving the traveler well. I can understand not doing it for Sydney Airport (for example) since you are only 15 minutes away from the city center and therefore listing Sydney hotels is redundant in the article. Incheon International Airport however is an example far from Seoul, so local airports are of great interest. Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:13, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure where the more recent discussion is, but have a look at Wikivoyage talk:Airport Expedition. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:10, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

To Guide and FTT?
What is missing to get this to "guide" status and nominated for FTT? Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:12, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps an edit for the discussion of AirBerlin, which you rightly mentioned in the "Pub" recently as likely to be absorbed by others. Just a small improvement, but in keeping with your good work.  Regards,  Hennejohn (talk) 01:48, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I think the Air Berlin situation is too in-flux to say anything definitive. Hobbitschuster (talk) 11:56, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

The Understand section of Frankfurt Airport
If you look at recent edits, it should be clear why I wish for a third voice to try and make the language succinct and well-flowing without introducing awkward wordings or errors. Hobbitschuster (talk) 11:34, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

 * I had a go.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:31, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, TT, that looks much better. I was trying sort out the long and rambling sentence on my phone, but didn't make things better. I have no idea why Hobbitschuster feels he has to raise everything as A Big Issue in the pub instead of dealing with it on the talk page like everybody else does, but I will repeat what I have told him dozens of times: I am always prepared to work with other editors to improve articles and resolve disagreements amicably. Ground Zero (talk) 13:35, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I have proposed an edit of the infobox for Schiphol Airport at Talk:Schiphol_Airport, and welcome comments. Ground Zero (talk) 16:01, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Infobox again
I've had another look at the infobox. It is just confusing. I've broken up or reorganized sentences that justs seem to go on and on. It mixes up the airports and airlines in a way that is too complex for an "infobox", and isn't necessary. The article is about FRA, not LH. I get that FRA and AMS are the home bases for LH and KL, but these sentences were being asked to do so much that they lost the plot. I'm not sure that we even need AMS in here. The comparison between FRA and IST makes the point. Ground Zero (talk) 19:47, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Oof, upon re-reading it I agree. It's very rambling, and includes a lot of explanation about IST and AMS that belong on those pages, not here. --Bigpeteb (talk) 21:57, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Copyedits and reverting
, my explanations for copyedits were provided in the comment line here and here and here. An unregistered user reverted my edits with no reason provided in the comment line or on the talk page here. In doing so, the unregistered user reinstated minor capitalization and formatting errors that I had fixed. I didn't need to explain restoring these edits to the unregistered user because I had already explained them in the comment lines.

You have now reverted these edits and restored the capitalization and formatting errors and provided no reason why the old version is better.

If you can explain why you think the old version is better, we can discuss the changes. It would really help if you'd be willing to discuss the substance of my edits. Rolling back without explanation is not constructive. Ground Zero (talk) 17:32, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

 * Well I've made a stab at rewriting, because watching this back and forth is dizzying. I am also open to discuss, and will justify the changes I made if anyone asks.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:49, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Proposed minor fixes
Here are some minor fixes to the article that I am going to propose. These should not be do troversial, but because of the history of this article, I am bringing them here for discussion first to see if there is any objection. Ground Zero (talk) 15:35, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) Telling readers to "plan accordingly" is WV:obvious.
 * 2) "Keep that in mind if you are a late arrival or in need of a hotel room late in the evening." -- this is just filler. The useful advice has already been provided. Let's delete this fifty a livelier wv:tone.
 * 3) The article uses both "traveler" and "traveller". We should pick either US or UK spelling. I'll look for advice from other editors on which to use for Germany articles.
 * 4) The article uses both "terminal 1" to "Terminal 1". "Terminal 1" should be capitalized as it is a proper noun.
 * 5) "Four nearby, a bit of a hike the other side of the Autobahn..." should have a main verb in it because sentences read better with main verbs. I propose to change this to "There are four more nearby, a bit of a hike the other side of the Autobahn...."
 * 6) "Busses" is an odd spelling used only by some Americans. Merriam-Webster says that hardly anyone uses "busses" anymore.
 * None of that seems remotely controversial. Please proceed. I know you're trying to avert a fight but the changes you suggest are so plainly acceptable IMO that it comes across as though you're spoiling for a fight. Just make the edits, and wait to see if anyone complains in the proper manner (or an improper manner).
 * (Incidentally I just realized I've been misreading the wv:spelling policy on "traveller" for years. I thought the preference for British "traveller" was universal, not that it only applied to project and talk pages while articles should use whichever is correct for the spelling they prefer.) --Bigpeteb (talk) 22:06, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I am trying to do everything I can to avoid this causing any problem. As these edits were reverted (as part of a big rollback of edits I had made), I don't want appear to be trying to stir things up again. I am proceeding with excessive caution here precisely to avoid a fight. Ground Zero (talk) 22:32, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Franklin (Venango County)

Lamberton House
May or may not be open, but should be here in case:

title: Talk:Franklin (Venango County)


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Talk:Franklin County

Should this be a disambiguation page? Looking at Special:Whatlinkshere/Franklin_County suggests so, but I dunno... (WT-en) Majnoona
 * Perhaps we should compile a list of states that don't have a Franklin County in them. :) - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 20:14, 12 June 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Franschhoek

Franschhoek is definitly not Afrikaans for "French Corner" it does mean french corner, but is not Afrikaans. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 198.54.202.210 (talk • contribs)

 * It sure sounds like Afrikaans. What language is it if it's not? --(WT-en) Evan 15:48, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Wikipedia says that it's Dutch, not Afrikaans. --(WT-en) Evan 15:51, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Considering that the name dates back to when Afrikaans was Dutch, that's a fairly picky distinction. :) - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 15:58, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

Closures
Removed from the main article, leaving it here for reference in case it reopens: -- (WT-en) D. Guillaime 13:37, 24 January 2011 (EST)
 * One of the latest additions, run by award-winning chef Camil Haas. This vibrant, trendy 'front-cooking' eatery serves freshly prepared favorites like bouillabaisse and gourmet seafood tasters. French champagne available. The open kitchen lets you watch the chef and his team at work, and be sample tasting portions. Bouillabaisse also sells fresh fish, caters, and has a deli shop. Note: Unfortunately Bouillabaisse has recently closed down.

Is everything "wonderful"?
This may be a great place, but "wonderful" is really overused in this article. I just detouted the "Sleep" section. I put some hidden comments in "Eat", which has a couple of very questionable assertions in it. I haven't had a chance to look through "Buy", but I'll bet it needs to be not only listified but detouted. Even in "Understand", what does "spectacular atmosphere" mean? Making the section slightly longer and being more specific might be more helpful to the traveller. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:17, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Suspect typo
from Correct typos in one click jewlry->jewry? (omit) context: *Anpa jewlry jewlry is another firm favourite with

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Talk:Fraser's Hill

Most of the content of these diffs is from. I've deleted them and mailed the site's owner to clarify the copyright situation. (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:46, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Fraserburgh

Poetic Licence abounds in this entry. (2011)

KWF, but the page was ponderously facetious at the expense of useful info > all rewritten Grahamsands (talk) 17:55, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:K'gari

Hervey Bay isn't on Fraser Island! —The preceding comment was added by 195.49.27.69 (talk • contribs) 08:07, 31 March 2006

New banner
There is an Australia commons photo competition going on. Good chance to update some banners. How about this for Fraser Island?

 * I much prefer the current banner. Fraser Island banner.jpg Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:52, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

 * The current banner has photographic merit, but I am finding that too many Australia articles have almost generic beach scenes such as this. I was hoping to add some variety... --Andrewssi2 (talk) 02:45, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

 * I understand. However, people aren't visiting this place to see a dingo in a blurry background, I don't think, so variety for its own sake may not be the right way to go in regard to pagebanners. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:55, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Point taken --Andrewssi2 (talk) 04:15, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Late response, but I visited Fraser Island this April and the current one is definitely more representative of the island. After all, Fraser Is. is known for being the world's largest sand island, so it'd be absurd to add a photo of a dingo that could be almost anywhere that's not Tas. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:55, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Suspect typo
from Correct typos in one click brahminy->brahmin? (omit) context: and birds of prey such as brahminy brahminy kites, white-breasted sea eagles, ospreys

Rename to K'gari
Although both names are still widely used, I think the time has come to update the name to K'gari. In June 2023, the Queensland government officially dropped the dual naming in favour of using K'gari only, and this has widely caught on. There are very few people who refuse to use K'gari (usually within 4WD circles), but this is a vocal minority.

Other instances of K'gari being favoured over Fraser Island: Then there are these that use both names interchangeably: The few that exclusively use Fraser Island:
 * ABC Australia
 * Queensland Parks (DoESI)
 * UNESCO World Heritage Convention
 * Google Maps
 * Brisbane Times
 * fraserisland.net (ironically)
 * Most resorts on the island.
 * Fraser Coast uses both interchangeably, with K'gari being favoured that the start but then inconsistency arises afterwards.
 * Highway signs (they often do not mention either name at all but direct you to River Heads)
 * Apple Maps (uses a mix of both very inconsistently)
 * Sealink (though it favors K'gari)
 * Fraser Dingo 4WD Hire
 * 4WD circles. (this Reddit thread also gives a good read, but shouldn't be taken into account for this specific discussion)
 * Wikipedia (last discussion ended in no consensus).

By the looks of it, the name K'gari over Fraser Island has caught on far more than using dual naming or Fraser Island alone, especially after the Queensland government's decision to drop the dual naming and use K'gari only. It's only about time that Wikivoyage also joins in with the rest of society by renaming this to K'gari. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 02:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

 * I also just found this. Even SKY NEWS (a la Murdoch media) is using K'gari! I think the case for keeping the old name is no more. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:08, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Since there have been no objections, I will complete the move now. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:31, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ + all mainspace links updated. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:51, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support: For what it's worth, I support the decision to rename to K'gari as well. The decision is well justified by the sources provided, short of a few commercial sources. Cyali (talk) 02:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Fraser Valley

Unincorporated Villages in the Fraser Valley
I took a look into all the places listed in the Cities section that didn't have pages (Agassiz, Kent, Sardis, Yarrow, etc.) to see if they warrant pages. Many of these places are unincorporated villages that are part of a larger municipality (e.g., Abbotsford, Chilliwack). So, in the interest of cleaning up the Cities section, I've removed any unincorporated villages that didn't already have a page and are part of another municipality. The summary of what I did is:

 * Agassiz - part of Kent (British Columbia)
 * Harrison Mills - split between Kent and one of the electoral districts, so I've included it in Kent (British Columbia)
 * Kent - incorporated district municipality so I've created an outline page for it
 * Lindell Beach - Unincorporated village (on Cultus Lake) that isn't part of a larger municipality, so I've left it alone. It looks like there might be another village on the north side of Cultus Lake -- perhaps we could combine the two into one Cultus Lake article?
 * Sardis - part of Chilliwack
 * Yale - actually part of the Fraser Canyon region, so it shouldn't be here at all!
 * Yarrow - part of Chilliwack
 * Great work cleaning things up! One suggestion: consider making redirects from the village name to the destination article which covers that village. Also consider, if there is a disambiguation page (e.g. Kent (disambiguation)) checking to see if there's an entry for the village which points to the proper destination article. But both of those are small details, likely to be filled in by future contributors if not done now. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 01:08, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I forgot about the disambiguation page, I'll check that. I set up a redirect page for Agassiz since it has a bit of size, but the others are small so I didn't bother. (WT-en) Shaund 01:08, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Fréjus/St. Raphael

huh, nothing links here-- anyone know anything about it or should it be vfd? (WT-en) Majnoona 20:03, 21 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * Both Fréjus and St. Raphael are listed in French Riviera. I think this is someone experimenting, trying to create a conglomeration article out of 2 destinations. Will move to Fréjus, since it has not been created. -- (WT-en) Huttite 01:47, 22 Nov 2005 (EST)

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Talk:Frderikshavn

Frderikshavn
mispelt - should be Frederikshavn. -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 16:25, 15 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Usual in situations like this is to redirect to the properly spelled page; if the creator of the page misspelled it, someone doing a search might also. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:20, 15 June 2007 (EDT)
 * I'd agree if it were Frederikshaven or Fredrikshavn; those look like plausible misspellings to me. But Frderikshavn looks like an error that is unlikely to be repeated, so I'd say delete rather than redirect. (WT-en) Pashley 03:33, 23 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:19, 4 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Delete.I'd agree if it were Frederikshaven or Fredrikshavn; those look like plausible misspellings to me. But Frderikshavn looks like an error that is unlikely to be repeated, so I'd say delete rather than redirect. The next possible iteration would be Friedrichafen,but that is much further south. So *Delete.(WT-en) Rachel52 18:10, 11 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect. Mispelt pages are one of the principal and most straightforward reasons to redirect a page. See Project:How to redirect a page. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:44, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Redirected to Frederikshavn --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 14:07, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Fredericia

Okay, so Ive decided to try to get a new Fredericia page up and running..! I'd really like to get some feedback from any locals, so if anybody reading this comes from Fredericia, please let me know :) --(WT-en) Disonyxiated 12:00, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

Also if anybody can make the page a map..?? I don't have the programs to do a decent one..!! :)--(WT-en) Disonyxiated 19:00, 10 June 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Fredericksburg (Texas)

B&Bs
Do we really need to list individual B&Bs? After all, the page says there are more than 350 and offers links to directories that can assist travelers in choosing one. I'm just saying, it could get awfully crowded, especially since there are plenty of non-B&Bs that probably should be in the listings as well... (WT-en) Army of me 00:27, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

Stonewall, Texas
I was thinking of maybe integrating the Stonewall (Texas) article with this one. Only because if you do a search online, all of the nearby restaurants and lodgings are listed under Fredericksburg anyways. Yes, there are attractions around Stonewall but there doesn't seem to be anything tourist-worthy actually in the town. Perhaps these surrounding attractions could just be mentioned in Fredericksburg, since they are usually part of a trip to Fredericksburg anyways and they are so close to each other. (I'm not 100% convinced myself, I'm just throwing the idea out there). (WT-en) Army of me 00:27, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Fredericksburg (Virginia)

I tried to BS my way through the "Drink" section - I live near Fredericksburg (just a few minutes away) but I'm 6 years too young to drink, so I have no earthly idea where you would go to do that. There is a college there so I assume people do it... 24.250.105.29 21:06, 3 May 2006 (EDT)

disambig
I think the disambig should be under Fredericksburg and this article should be under Fredericksburg (Virginia). (WT-en) Jordanmills 19:51, 24 September 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Fredericton

--

2005-12-03 I've removed this entry:

 * Rye's Deli 73 Carleton Street, 506 472-7937. Rye’s combines deli-style sandwiches and bagels with Maritime beer. They are open for breakfast, and have an outdoor patio.

Rye's closed and reopened under new ownership. I don't know remember the new name so I can't add an entry. I might have remembered the new name if it wasn't mediocre food and bad service. All I remember is a jazz theme, and a metal face shaped like a pork-chop on the wall in the entryway. -BalthCat

--

Wow, very negative in "eat" section.
Information in the eat section isn't balanced and it's aimed primarily at vegetarians. A few personal opinions of some of the restaurants could be okay, but giving a negative review of just about each restaurant isn't.

_> wow I definitively agree, I hate to see all my favorite places getting bashed because their vegetarian meals aren't good... Too bad Im too lazy to do a proper fair and balanced edit.

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Talk:Freedom Square

I don't think the name of this attraction is unique enough to warrant redirection to only Tblisi. Wikipedia lists nine cities with a "Freedom Square" and I can guarantee you that every second city in Latin America has a "Plaza de Liberdad" or "Praça da Liberdade" (Freedom Square). (WT-en) Texugo 02:15, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

 * Now I'm this close to declaring you a Russian instigator. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:18, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

 * Jokes aside though, I agree, and just wanted to keep this up long enough so that the contributor would take note. We can definitely speedy delete this one. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:49, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Free State

The article has: "the people here still live up to the voortrekker traditions of braaing and the Afrikaaner lifestyle." I think almost any English speaker should understand "Afrikaaner", though I'm not certain all would. "voortrekker" I can guess, but it's not a word I've ever seen before. "Braaing" has me completely baffled. I'm a native English speaker; if I'm baffled here, likely second language readers are even more confused.

Could we have a bit more explanation, please? (WT-en) Pashley 07:11, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Here's another native speaker that doesn't know braaing or voortrekker. (WT-en) Texugo 08:37, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Well I know Voortrekker is the name of the early Dutch colonial settlers from my old history classes, Fore trekkers quite literally I think, but Braaing is also lost on me, especially after looking it up (roasting!?) --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 08:49, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

Regions
The five regional articles for the province collectively have only 10 articles linked from them, so two regions have one article each, two regions have two articles, and one region has three articles. The region articles have no text in them.

It would be easier for the traveller is the region articles were eliminated, and consolidated with the province article so they don't have to click through the empty region articles.

Geographical hierarchy says: "Importantly, we only add a level of regions when there is too much content in the existing breakdown." These region articles were created in 2007, and no substantive content has been added in the 14 years since.

Any objections? The region articles could be restored later if the creation of new articles warrants it. Ground Zero (talk) 12:40, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Suspect typo
from Correct typos in one click braaing->baaing? (omit) context: up to the Voortrekker traditions of braaing braaing. The rich soil and pleasant

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Talk:Freetown

First of all, I'd like to thank Davidbstanley for his contribution to Freetown and Sierra Leone, they're not your normal tourist destinations and that makes information about them all the more valuable.

One issue though: in normal Wikivoyage style, information about a single city is kept on one single page if possible, and only "huge" cities get multiple pages — which should use the format "City/District". Hugeness depends not just on size/population, but the degree of attractiveness to tourists: Paris has a lot to see, Dhaka perhaps less. Does Freetown qualify as a "huge" city, or would it be possible to squeeze all the info the traveller needs to know into one (long) page? (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:04, 30 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Districts
In consolidating Freetown the following pages were orphaned. These are all districts of Freetown, so I have moved them to district pages. However, I am not sure they should be district pages, or be deleted:
 * Congo Cross - moved to Freetown/Congo Cross
 * Freetown Aberdeen - moved to Freetown/Aberdeen
 * Hill Station - moved to Freetown/Hill Station

-- (WT-en) Huttite 23:34, 17 Dec 2005 (EST)

Deletion of district pages
I created them originally. The Freetown pages were my first contribution to WikiTravel. At the time it seemed a good idea to have these district pages, but I agree with Jpatokal that they are not necessary. Deletion would seem to be the best option in my opinion. I did not know how to do this when I consolidated them into the Freetown page. (WT-en) Davidbstanley

 * To permanently delete pages you can list them on Project:Votes for deletion and replace the text with  . However there is no need to permanently delete these pages, as they can simply be redirected to Freetown. That way you do not lose the editing history and the pages can be resurrected if they are ever needed in the future. Also you can change your mind if you ever feel we need district pages again because the main Freetown article gets too big. So I will redirect them now. -- (WT-en) Huttite 02:45, 18 Dec 2005 (EST)

Safe?
Just wondering who provided / and or obtained the information that "Violent crime is very rare in Freetown." I am thinking that this is not a person who has actually come from Freetown, or since been travelling there. Just a curious reader. -- —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 213.42.21.151 (talk • contribs)
 * As a regular traveller to Freetown, I would say that it is generally safe. It is true that there have been a few armed robberies recently, but violence aimed at visitors is still quite rare. I walk around any parts of the city without worry. (WT-en) Davidbstanley 04:07, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

Radisson Mammy Yoko Hotel reopening
When will the aforementioned hotel open in 2010? Is it open already? I don't know if it's open or not. (WT-en) CurvyEthyl 03:34, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
 * No it is not open yet. There is still a lot of work to do.  Most likely it will be sometime next year. (WT-en) Davidbstanley 09:38, 2 October 2010 (EDT)

To Guide and DotM?
This is one of our better articles from Africa. I've been preliminarily thinking about possible candidates for Destination of the month for one of the Northern Hemisphere late autumn/winter/early spring months 2019-20 — per the climate table this happens to be the best time of the year to visit Freetown.

What is still needed for guide status (= the article is so good that the average doesn't need any other travel guide) and eligibility for a DotM nomination? At least all listings need to have coordinates, and descriptions need to be added to the ones that still lack them. Some more photos would be nice to have. Is there something important about the city still missing?

No rush, though, it's more than a year before it could go on the Main Page at earliest.

--ϒpsilon (talk) 17:22, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

 * Since the DOTM nomination lists are getting really long, we may as well wait and let it cool down for a while. What I'd like to see in this article is:

 * A new, better banner, if possible.
 * Better formatted content, and perhaps some more activity listings, in the "Do" section.
 * A lot more information in the "Buy" section, and several listings.
 * Some links to places in the "Go next" section.

 * It's totally possible, but there's no harm done in waiting a while. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 17:29, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

 * I've been one of the harshest critics of having articles sitting around on the nominations page for longer than necessary and I never nominate anything until it "needs" to be nominated (in general 2-3 months before the slots show up in the schedule is usually good, if later it might end up waiting until next season). But given that there are some work to do on the article, it's better to bring it up on the talk page already now. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:57, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

 * David, how well would you say the article covers Freetown as of now? ϒpsilon (talk) 21:06, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I would say is is pretty good and current. It might understate the number of bars and restaurants now available because of the last few years development.  But you could certainly find the important places.  I updated a few parts and will continue to do so.Davidbstanley (talk) 07:08, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

 * Great! --ϒpsilon (talk) 07:24, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Time to nominate? /Yvwv (talk) 19:10, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Free Travel

Merge
We now have three travel topics covering roughly the same thing: Vagabond travel, Rock bottom budget travelling, and this one. This is getting a little ridiculous. (WT-en) Eco84 12:03, 3 December 2010 (EST)

 * This was just a link dump with nothing to merge, so I've plunged forward and redirected it to Rock bottom budget travelling, which already has internal links to Wikivoyage articles that this article might be intending (and is failing) to have. – (WT-en) Vidimian 12:09, 3 December 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Free wifi in Brighton and Hove

Merge proposal
Someone's proposed that this article be merged into the Brighton article. I'm the creator of this article, and was originally going to simply add the content into the "Contact" section of the Brighton article. However, it seemed to me that, as there are maybe 50 or so places that offer free wifi in Brighton & Hove, adding all the places into the Brighton and Hove articles might overwhelm them.Comments/ideas/thoughts, please!! NB: I have minimal understanding of Wikivoyage so if I'm going wrong please advise! (I'm a fairly experienced user of Wikipedia, but I do realise this is something different and I may well be missing somthing.) Thanks, 87.252.35.197 15:09, 24 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Right. Having now read Wikivoyage's guidelines on what constitutes an article, I see that this one perhaps does not meet them. If this does end up being deleted, I'd be grateful if someone could suggest where I could list all the various free wifi places in B&H. Thanks, 87.252.35.197 15:15, 24 May 2008 (EDT)

 * We don't recommend listing everyplace with free wifi, but, rather, listing 5 - 9 places. Yeah, it may be difficult to do so, but, it will help people in the long run.  Also, say Ryan's Pub has free wifi, put the listing under "Drink" with a note that it has free wifi.  That will allow us to add more content to the article that will be relevant and won't cause any content to overlap.  Feel free to ask me any questions (email is on the user page). -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 16:02, 24 May 2008 (EDT)

 * Hey there, I also agree, this definitely doesn't qualify as its own article... it would be time better spent if you picked out a few suggestions and had them on the Brighton page. We don't aim to be a yellow pages directory, just a guide that gives a few suggestions :) – (WT-en) cacahuate   talk 14:37, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

 * I've moved the missing bits to the main Brighton page. Will now try and do some tidying there. Redirecting this page to Brighton. (WT-en) Nrms 00:11, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Freiburg

Markthalle
Since Markthalle is renovated and reopend this October, it seems Kabul, which is mentioned in the article, is gone? Anybody has any clue if there is still Afghani food there after all? -- (WT-en) Boggie 20:05, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

 * Kabul is gone for good, I suspect. --(WT-en) zeno 15:31, 8 January 2008 (EST)

A few issues
I stayed there for a few months, and I noticed a few points that were outdated: Pennymarkt near Rotteckring has closed, and so has the bridge to Schlossberg at Martinstor

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Talk:Freighter travel

I've added at the places I know of 100% sure that you can get on a freighter there a link to freighter travel. Ofcourse that is in no means a guide as to how get a fare, but at least it gives some consolation for people seeking means.

Daniël

Cheaper?
I would challenge the first sentence: "Freighter travel is a less crowded, cheaper alternative for crossing a sea or ocean, not using airplanes or commercial cruise ships or ferries." When I looked into this, it appeared to be considerably more expensive than air travel along similar routes.

For example, according to this page, Europe to USA by freighter travel would cost a couple of thousand dollars (20 day return journey at ~$100/day). Compare that to London - Washington, DC by air costing ~$600 return (United airlines, mid-week in May). 87.115.124.73 10:56, 2 April 2010 (EDT)

Freighter travel is more expensive than air but people should think of it as a holiday of so many days onboard a ship and the fare includes accommodation, meals and charges. In comparison to a land based holiday of lets say 10 days full board people will pay the same amount of money or may be more. Now if a Transat flight gets you to Europe for 5/8 hours and you pay 500 dollars return, a ship would give you the experience of a 10/15 day crossing for triple the amount, yes, but you will be well fed, well rested, etc... So think of it as a cheaper way to conventional cruise or land based holiday than to flying. It will never be considering the food and the accommodation you get not mentioning the experience... —The preceding comment was added by 91.85.167.43 (talk • contribs)

Interesting reading
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-4036378/Danish-man-Thor-Pedersen-travelling-world-container-ship-country-without-flying.html --ϒpsilon (talk) 16:04, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Single travellers
The paragraph on single travellers in Eat and sleep is confusing. It says single travellers "really benefit" as they even pay the same for single cabins as you do for doubles. I suppose this means by person, but if so, it should be said explicitly: elsewhere we always cite the price you pay, not the per person prices. –LPfi (talk) 09:12, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Fremont

General discussion
Really excellent start! I had no idea Fremont would be so interesting ;-) (WT-en) Majnoona 16:34, 27 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Yeah! Everyone should totally have this on their list of places to see before they die! :-).  I figure the audience for this is:

 * Folks who live locally
 * People who are visiting relatives locally
 * Business travelers visiting Electronics companies(there's been a serious boom in hotel building because of the numbers of business travelers.)
 * People who are trying to visit all the Spanish missions. That's a pretty typical activity when California kids get to 5th grade (or whichever grade it is that teaches them California history)
 * (WT-en) Colin 17:04, 27 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * I think it's a good idea to remember that "traveller" != "tourist". People travel for a ton of different reasons, but everybody still needs to eat, sleep, go out, see sights, etc. And, hey: I think Fremont is worth a look.

Where to stick Fremont
BTW, where do you think Fremont fits in in the Bay Area? I was thinking either East Bay or Silicon Valley, although I could be convinced that there's another sub-region in the Southeast... --(WT-en) Evan 15:34, 30 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Okay, I've done some research Here's a link to the historical definition I see most commonly: http://www.netvalley.com/archives/mirrors/terman.html I think we need a South Bay (Bay Area) region within the Bay Area, and here's some examples for why:
 * South Bay (Bay Area) should include Fremont and Santa Clara but not Palo Alto
 * Peninsula (Bay Area) should include Palo Alto but not Fremont or Santa Clara
 * Silicon Valley should include Palo Alto and Santa Clara but not Fremont
 * Note that Palo Alto's page already confesses to being part of both both Silicon Valley and Peninsula (Bay Area).

 * I think the fix for all this is: add South Bay (Bay Area), and then note in the Bay Area (California) web page that Silicon Valley covers parts of the Peninsula (Bay Area) as well as parts of South Bay (Bay Area). South Bay is the term actually used by locals.  Any comments before I (or some nice volunteer) goes ahead with this?

 * And I still don't know where Hayward goes.
 * -- (WT-en) Colin 00:40, 2 Apr 2004 (EST)

 * Update: I'm still not happy with this solution I proposed, so I haven't done anything about it yet. If I make a South Bay region within the Bay Area, we still need a Silicon Valley region page because people will be looking for it.  So Silicon Valley will overlap South Bay.  Actually, Silicon Valley and Penninsula already overlap in Palo Alto, but do I really want to make this worse?  So I'll keep thinking about this for now. (WT-en) Colin 22:53, 10 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Eating in Fremont
An earlier version of the page read, "If you want a fancy restaurant, or a large selection of ethnic food, consider crossing the Dumbarton Bridge to Palo Alto." I disagree with 'or a large selection of ethnic food'.

Pretty much all of the good restaurants in or around Fremont are 'ethnic'. In particular, they tend to be Chinese, Vietnamese, Afghani, or Mexican. (I haven't come across any really great Indian food, for all the Indian engineers we have.) In my opinion, it's good American or European food that's hard to find around Fremont.

I hope you don't mind me editing that phrase out from the Wiki. (I'm hoping to add more local restaurants to the section; it will look silly to say that there's no large selection of ethnic food when I'll be listing many ethnic restaurants.)

 * No problem. I'd like to re-add the comment about fancy restaurants though (unless you want to add Papillion as fancy or something).  Palo Alto's ethnic food is in a more dense area and easier to find though.  But yeah, let's drop the ethnic part of it.  Sounds like you know more restaurants around here than me, so I'm personally looking forward to your entries :-).  Any suggestions for Indian in North Fremont -- I've had terrible bad luck with the one in Ardenwood.  As for American food, I'd suggest Country Way myself or Mex influenced chains like Spoons.  We really need to add a Newark and Union City entry to catch some of those places too (like Baldy's Cafe which is American food).

 * Also, it'd be great if you'd create an account for yourself so it'd be easier to communicate and stuff. But no worries if you don't! -- (WT-en) Colin 19:32, 7 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * My duh. You already edited the line perfectly.  I really should look at the page first :-). -- (WT-en) Colin 19:35, 7 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * grin* No problem.  I haven't found any great Indian restaurants.  Would you rather we have a lot of restaurants to choose from -- or for me to post what I consider the best of each category?  This would be the difference between, say, eight restaurants and about twenty in the final listing.  (Why, yes, I do eat out a lot.)

 * Hi! We usually like to list between 5-7 restaurants. If there are really more than that that "need" to be listed, then break them into categories. Imagine you have a friend in town for a weekend, would you give them 20 recomendations or more like 5? Oh, and you can sign your posts using ~ . And welcome!-(WT-en) Majnoona 21:48, 7 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * Thanks for the info! I think that categories make the most sense -- not everyone is interested in the same kind of food.  I'm just learning to work with this wiki.  I'll add what info I think travellers would find most interesting.  (WT-en) Chip 21:55, 7 Jul 2004 (EDT)

Outline status
What information is this article lacking so that the outline status indicator can be removed? It seems like a relatively complete and useful article to me. Any Fremont resident reading this article and the complementary WP article on Fremont would be bound to learn something new. (WT-en) Chaiken 12:57, 11 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * I agree-- go ahead and plunge forward and update it to the status that you think fits... (WT-en) Majnoona 15:19, 11 Feb 2006 (EST)

Map
The map shows the borders of Fremont and Newark combined. I know that Newark is an enclave of Fremont, but the western border of Newark is entirely wildlife preserve with no buildings.

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Talk:French

So, we actually have something of a plan for doing phrasebooks in Wikivoyage. It's called the Phrasebook Expedition. I'm proposing this article get nixed in favor of French phrasebook. -- (WT-en) Evan 14:11, 9 Oct 2003 (PDT)

Fine with me, dump it. (WT-en) Guaka 17:02, 15 Oct 2003 (PDT)

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Talk:French Alps

Urgh. So, can we wedge this region page somehow into the geographical hierarchy for France? It's moving along well, but I'm not sure where it fits. I'm not crazy about the regions breakdown for France, but it would be nice to make this navigable. --(WT-en) Evan 16:10, 18 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * OK, I linked it to the Rhone-Alpes region. (WT-en) Yann 16:16, 18 Jan 2004 (EST)

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Talk:Frenchboro

Long Island
From my talk page: The Long Island associated with Frenchboro was formally called Outer Long Island. It has nothing to do with with the Long Island in Cumberland County near Portland. The two places are entirely different. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 22:10, 29 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Thanks for clearing that up. It was not clear from the articles and this distinction probably needs to be explained better. To avoid people, like me, making silly mistakes, or, worse, misleading the traveler. -- (WT-en) Huttite 22:15, 29 July 2006 (EDT)

title: Talk:Frenchboro