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Talk:Vienna/Innere Stadt

Zentralfriedhof
Very useful article, but one small comment: Zentralfriedhof is well outside of the Innere Stadt! 212.95.7.56 09:04, 12 April 2012 (EDT)

Banner
I was wondering if there was any interest in changing the banner. The style of this one (first picture below) is pretty similar to the one for Vienna. Cheers -Shaundd (talk) 04:31, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

 * I like the third. St. Stephen's roof is quite iconic. Jjtk (talk) 05:47, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

 * The third is definitely cool, so long as it looks good with the text. --Peter Talk 17:18, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Vientiane

Warning about Les dix delices Restaurant
I returned yesterday from a 3 day trip in Laos. On our last day, my friend and I decided to try the french cafe/restaurant "Les dix delices Restaurant" it has a female characterture on wood in a red dress winking and pointing to the name of the restaurant.

Here is an incident we had at this food establishment:

We came in, the place looked nice, ordered some drinks followed by our food. When our meals arrived, we found my friends noodle dish was not fresh. We discovered my hamburgers' cheese was not fresh and when I bit into it, the meat patty was undercooked! (it was reddish pink and soft - not rare, not medium, not well.) The waiter willingly took it back and came back too soon with what I thought was a new hamburger. I noticed he had handled my bun. I inspected my hamburger and discovered that all they had done was replace the meat patty but had kept my old bun (complete with a missing chunk of where I had bitten into it last.) I threw my napkin over my plate and told my friend "I cannot eat this! It's not safe." The waiter noticed this and walked over, my friend explained in Thai what had happened and the owner walked over and joined the discussion of Laos and Thai, I stopped the conversation and spoke to the French owner directly in English and though she spoke perfect english, she didn't seem to understand why I was disgusted. She declared she has been in Laos for 16 years and this is the first time this has ever happened. I told her I would only pay for my drink. She said that was not good for her. Fed up with her bs, and only having a few hours before leaving the country - I threw in the towel and told her I'll just pay for it so she would just go away. As she walked back to her table she called me an 'idiot'. Angry, I paid our bill down to the very kip and slammed a 1 baht coin on her table as I walked out.

I know better to avoid street food in these countries since they aren't always clean but when going into a tourist establishment, I expect standards

The Laos nationals who work there are very polite and nice. I don't have a problem with them (except the cook I suppose, learn how to cook meat!) I blame the the owner for this situation. My friend and I got the general idea that this owner operates a business that looks nice and clean and perhaps 'modern' but is on a foundation of cutting corners. In my country (USA), I sure you are all aware - we have sanitation laws. You cannot serve meat undercook - it is not safe to eat in that form. It is especially not safe to eat raw or undercooked meat in Laos PDR where I am at risk of parasites and anything else. A EU national should run a business to a EU health standard anywhere they operate. There is no excuse for cutting corners on food safety. Especially when your customers are foreign tourists. I expect a business catering to foreigners and run by an American, Canadian, or European to replace an entire dish if there is any sanitation problem. In America, with enough yelling, you can expect that evenings meal to be free after a incident like that.

So after reading my rant here, I am recommending no one to eat here and to best avoid this restaurant. There are better places, for instance my friend and I went to the Scandinavian Bakery a few blocks down and had a fully cooked delicious burger and chicken sandwich. It's not that hard to care about your customers.

I have also complained to the Lao National Tourism Administration about this food establishment. Perhaps you can add this restaurant to places to avoid or stay safe?

Warning : Some tourists travel thousands of miles and expect food like at home, e.g *delicious burger and chicken sandwich.' Flights are costly and not environment friendly, so why do these people travel at all ? They pester the atmosphere for the nationals and the open minded travellers. If you're so afraid of street food, stick to MacDonalds. We have been travelling SEA for 25 years, eating a lot of street food - never ever any problem. I'm really disgusted readind rhis crap from a 3-days-tourist.

Street signs and "getting-in/out" info
I am in Vientiane at this moment and the street signs seem all to be present, maybe I overlooked some streets. Maybe adjust this in the article? Also, a "getting-in/out" part from Vientiane to Thailand would be nice to include the 22,000 kip it costs from the busstation to Udon Thani and here you will find the current times/prices:

Udon -> Vientiane (THB 80)    Vientiane -> Udon (22,000 kip) 08:00                         10:30 11:30 14:00 16:00 18:00 same times as Udon->Vientiane

Nong Khai -> Vientiane (THB 55) Vientiane->Nong Khai (15,000 kip) 07:30                           09:30 12:40 14:30 15:30 18:00 same times as Nong Khai->Vientiane

Papaya Spa does not have good service
Recently visited and found the information here very useful EXCEPT that the Papaya Spa had quite bad service (rude, noisy, lying)so I would definitely not recommend it as it made me stressed rather than relaxed. Had much better service at the White Lotus.

VISA CHANGES?
For some reason my Japanese friend was told that for 2 nights he did not need a visa and so he did not need to pay the fee except for the 10 THB. Very puzzled. Is this a new policy? Just for Japanese? I myself have Thai nationality and knew that I would not need to get a visa.

Yep, that's just for the Japanese. I could explain why but that info isn't appropriate here.

V vs. W
Lao doesn't have a distinction between V and W, the only sound present in the language is IPA /w/. Alleging that spelling words with W instead of V is a Thai conspiracy, or even a difference between the two languages, is absurd. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:34, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

More info on Lane Xang hotel?
Does anyone have some more history on the Lane Xang hotel? I've been googling around but can't find much. I'm most interested in the period around the US involvement in Vietnam, when Vientiane was a favorite spot for journalists and others involved in the conflict to get some respite from Saigon.

You will eat something?
I can't quite wrap my head around this: The beer is cold though, and when you order cashew nuts or peanuts with it you know you will eat something they have not cooked here. Huh? (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:51, 11 September 2007 (EDT)
 * How about "...when you order cashew nuts you can be assured that those nuts were not cooked here." Though I don't see why that makes them good. -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 05:27, 13 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Yeah, that's the bit that didn't make sense to me either. (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:24, 13 September 2007 (EDT)

Sorry about the confusion. I wanted to say something tongue-in-cheek. The truth is that I hesitate to eat in this place. I'll take the sentence out next time I'm editing the article!(WT-en) Dezwitser 10:52, 13 September 2007 (EDT)

"The Spirit House on that tree-shaded part of the river promenade that has not yet been "upgraded" to Lao-style sterile banality like the stretch downriver (there are plans for it, but fortunately the money seems to have run out)."

I find this arrogant and pretentious in the extreme. So basically the author would have the people here continue to deal with an unsafe dirt road, rutted with huge holes, making for a nightmare in the rainy season, all so he can enjoy the "charm" of Vientiane. Paved roads="sterile banality"? No, paved roads=better living standards, but not for the Lao, we can't permit that to interfere with his experiencing quaint, rustic Vientiane. (WT-en) Prince Roy 07:11, 06 February 2011 (EDT)

Size of the Article: make it into two?
I just saw a warning that the article is getting too big for some browsers, and that one should consider splitting it up in some way. My proposal: take the sections SLEEP, EAT, and DRINK out and create a new Aricle Vientiane: Sleep, Eat and Drink with links in the main article to this one. Does that make sense? (WT-en) Dezwitser 10:56, 13 September 2007 (EDT)

 * Don't worry about the warning, it's a bit of a relic and can safely be ignored. There are many articles on Wikivoyage that are many times longer than Vientiane.

 * If the article grows really big, it can be split into districts, but I just don't see Vientiane ever becoming that size... (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:54, 13 September 2007 (EDT)

Thanks, I'm happy to hear that. (WT-en) Dezwitser 20:12, 13 September 2007 (EDT)

So close, yet not quite
I'd love to nominate this for Destination of the Month, but the formatting isn't quite up to the demands of the Project:Manual of Style. Sigh. (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:42, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

Map is wrong
I just came back from Vientiane and the hotel locations on the map are wrong. Lao Plaza and Inter-City are not where the map has them located, I haven't checked the rest. Is anyone responsible for the map ?
 * Whoever you are, and whenever you wrote this (in future please sign and date!), you are also wrong. The Lao Plaza is at the absolutely right location. The location of the Inter City Hotel is not on the map at all (sorry about that), only the reference to it in the legend (H6). It is right next to the Inter Restaurant.
 * By the way, "the hotel locations are wrong" seems overdoing it a bit, when you have "checked" only two of nine... (WT-en) Dezwitser 10:31, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Tuk Tuk Mafia?
I'd like to delete the references to the Tuk Tuk Mafia. Tuk Tuk drivers are just trying to earn a living the same as everyone else. When I was there this week they seemed to be spending most of their time sitting around and waiting for customers. What alternative transport system would Vientiane develop if there were no Tuk Tuks? (WT-en) Shep 10:07, 16 May 2010 (EDT)

What alternate forms of transportation would there be? Just think about it!

As for how to define "mafia"? That's an interesting question. Apart from inflated prices, some drivers also harass foreigners (who are riding bikes and so clearly don't want tuk-tuk rides) to buy drugs or prostitutes. Does that count as a mafia?

Vientiane's road grid...
I do not agree with the following statement: « The Lao word "thanon" on these signs is translated by "rue", "avenue" or "boulevard", in many cases without any apparent logic. ».

I believe that "rue" is used for the standard wayfares whereas "avenue" corresponds to the French-planned arterial roads (Samsenthai, Luang Prabang, Lanexang, Sithong...). As for the "boulevard", they are the thoroughfares which were built over Vientiane's razed city walls (Khonboulom and Khouvieng match the layout of the inner compound according to the excellent "Vientiane, portrait d'une ville en mutation"). A comprehensive analysis would be necessary to put forward a categorical statement but I haven't noticed any outlier.

That being said, this is clearly a level of detail above the interest of a casual sightseer and I fully support the choice of "thanon" throughout the article for commodity's sake and because that's how Lao people know them.

(WT-en) Rdavout 14:13, 28 September 2010 (EDT)

iSpot Travel Information Center
iSpot Information Center in Vientiane provides information to travelers visiting Laos ([ispot.la]). It is not a tour operator or tour agency. Thus, please consider undoing the last change. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact contact them at ispot@ispot.la. Thanks!

 * If iSpot is not selling anything, it may not be a problem vis a vis tour, but I think there is an issue with Wikivoyage's external links policy. What do you all think? In a nutshell, Wikivoyage's policy is not to have links for competing guides. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 05:10, 20 April 2012 (EDT)

I deleted the clause about how different nationalities can't pronounce /r/ because at least some of it was inaccurate and it seemed off topic. If anybody does add it back in, take note that some Vietnamese people usually mispronounce /r/ as /ʒ/, not /l/. It's usually if they have a Northern accent though. Most southerners don't have trouble with /r/. I'm pretty certain at least that part of it was bullshit, but the whole thing seemed added in by someone who doesn't know anything anyway, so I went ahead and removed it altogether.

2011 bus timetables
Isn't it time to delete the timetables on this page, which are not in any case a Wikivoyage-style thing to include? Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:22, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Vieques

Can someone explain to me what the deal with the disconnect is? I'm trying to get to this island in a couple of days and the first thing I read is that I might have might neck cut, but then the "Stay safe" section makes an absurd (?) claim that the island is safe. So in short I want to know how likely am I, a gringo, going to have my neck cut into? -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 09:17, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

Very safe--some petty thefts.
This is a TWO PART response. Vieques is a very safe Island. I never felt physically threatened at any time. I found the people to be very friendly and helpful. When we were in the grocery store, they would strike up a conversation, give us tips on things, etc. We walked along the sidewalks at night without trepidation.

NOW, there IS a problem with petty thefts out at the more remote beaches. There are groups of teens and others who will come out to the beach area and hide in the underbrush. When individuals leave their stuff on the beach/in the rental vehicle (usually a traker that doesn't lock) and head into the water or to walk along the beach, these individuals will come out of the brush and steal cameras, credit cards, cash, jewelry, and etc. They don't confront you--they just take your stuff and then sneak back into the underbrush.

THUS, you can feel safe--but don't leave valuables/license/passport/etc in vehicle or on your chair. If you were at South Beach in Miami, your car would lock securely--that isn't likely here. If you were in Daytona or Myrtle Beach, you might cover some stuff with the edge of your towel assuming the folks beside you would see anyone strange who came by---but there are few people nearby....and there is much more disparity in income here than on the mainland.

GO TO VIEQUES--or send me your plane ticket so my wife and I can go! We LOVE IT!--(WT-en) Mwpyle 19:44, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

BEWARE OF VIEQUES CAR RENTAL We have visited Vieques three times now and absolutely love the place, but this one hideous experience has really thrown us for a loop.

This story ends with a man (either the owner or an employee) shouting across their Vieques Car Rental parking lot that he hoped I died in a car accident, but before that punch line, here's how the story began:

My husband, 6 year old daughter, and I rented a car from Jock Aikman (the new owner of VCR) Tuesday April 5th 2011 and the car literally almost killed my daughter.

We made this reservation back in Feb, so this was not a case of a "last minute - we'll take whatever you have" situation. We have rented from them before, but did not realize they had switched owners and locations. As we are familiar with Vieques and the general "beater" condition of rental cars there, we are not too particular about our vehicles, with safety being our only true concern.

When we arrived at Vieques Car Rental - in their new location - it was a tiny metal hut, locked tight. Nobody was there despite the fact that the owner or main employee knew we were coming as I called him when we left the mainland. He or his employee (we didn’t catch the man's name) arrived 25 minutes later and he spent another 15 minutes arguing with somebody on his cellphone before he got around to our paperwork.

Then he showed us the jeep - really old, in bad shape, bald tires, no a/c and it smelled like something had died inside the car (turns out there was a dead rat under the hood). He said this was all he had and we had no other option, so we took it. Ironically, he made us sign an agreement to keep the doors locked and wear seat belts at all times.

I say ironically because the car doors would not lock and the seat belts wouldn't buckle, which is how my daughter very nearly fell out of the back seat when the rear door flew open unexpectedly when we made a turn. I’ll never forget the look of panic in my daughter’s eyes as her new hat flew out the open door while she clutched at the end of a broken seat belt, struggling not to slip out the open door. What a nightmare. And the entire car was just rickety and falling apart. There seemed to be no power steering or shocks; the brakes squealed and the headlights mysteriously turned off as if the wiring was loose (much of it was visibly hanging out under the passenger side dash area). The engine started smoking about 5 minutes into our drive. When my husband finally figured out how to lift the hood, he found the remains of a smoldering dead rat. That was the last straw. We called the “agency” immediately upon arriving at our rental home and told the owner/employee we would be returning the jeep ASAP as it was unsafe to drive. He said he had no other vehicles and that he was charging us for a day anyway. When we took it back the next AM he demanded my credit card (he already had it from the authorization anyway) but I refused to give it to him, stating that the car was a death trap and there was no way I was paying a dime to smell a stinking dead rat and almost lose my daughter off a cliff. Astonishingly, he denied any responsibility for the jeep’s condition, stating repeatedly that "nobody tells me these things" about the extremely dangerous nature of this vehicle, implying that it is our duty as customers to somehow psychically divine the crappy condition of his rentals before we drive them, instead of his responsibility to inspect and maintain his cars. Unbelievable.

He kept demanding my credit card, but I just walked out of the shack to the new vehicle we borrowed from the vacation rental we reserved. As I left the shack that's when he shouted across the lot "I HOPE YOU DIE IN A CAR ACCIDENT!!!" Wow, way to do business Mr. Aikman. I should have called the police as others have done when his cars almost killed them, too (read all the reviews on the various travel websites - it's terrifying what this man is doing). He did manage to charge my card anyway – without my signature, and of course I am disputing this at the moment with AMEX. Thank goodness I used AMEX, they will prevent further brutalization from this “company.” I believe it is just a matter of time before somebody really does die. We can only pray they goes out of business or this owner/employee gets arrested before somebody loses their life as a result of their careless, negligent, greedy, illegal and grossly irresponsible business practices.

Love the island, but you have to be careful with whom you do business - your life may depend on it.

MARCH 2012: COCO BEACH, ESPERANZA: NOT SAFE FOR WOMEN: I stayed in the town of Esperanza for 10 days in March. There is a serial rapist, a local, who inhabits Coco Beach (El Cocal)which is walking distance from the west of Esperanza. Alternative descriptions of his MO is that he either hides in the brush that is between the beach and the road above, or hides behind rocks. Three times, he has hit unsuspecting women on the head, rendering them unconscious or unable to protect themselves, then rapes them. The last incident at the end of March caused the American woman such brain trauma she needed surgery to relieve the pressure. The police cooperation is nonexistent. The mainland Rape Unit at Fajardo "investigated" to no avail. (Mainland PR does not want tourists leaving the mainland). The local Esperanza business owners, most of whom are from New York and TripAdvisor contributors, denied the existence of rapes in order to keep people coming. Esperanza is not safe for women.

January 2013: I disagree with a few of the assertions made above in the March 2012 posting. While Vieques is not crime-free it is unfair and inaccurate to make a blanket statement that the island is unsafe for women. This is untrue. I believe the basic outline of the assault is correct but to my knowledge there have been no reported attacks since then. It is also untrue that "Mainland PR does not want tourists leaving the mainland". Like most tourist destinations, use your head and be aware of your surroundings and you'll have a great vacation.

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Talk:Vietnam

Banner
And perhaps we should also think of a new banner here for something more representative of Vietnamese culture. Like maybe a shot from the Perfume Pagoda or something. The dog2 (talk) 22:04, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Some possible images to crop here: File:Heavenly Kitchen Pagoda, northern Vietnam (16) (38486376872).jpg, File:Hội An, Ancient Town, 2020-01 CN-01.jpg, File:File:Hanoi-lac-hoan-kiem.jpg The dog2 (talk) 17:48, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

 * Apologies for a late response. I made a banner out of the second one. There's a small speck on the first one, so it might not work properly (but I'll see how that looks) -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:23, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks good. What do you think of this new one vs the current one? The dog2 (talk) 17:15, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I really can't decide tbh. The new one shows the cultural heritage better, while the current shows Vietnam's natural scenery. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:16, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

 * Anyway, here's one of the third image you linked. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:24, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's a tough one. Cultural heritage wise, I think the picture of the bridge looks more striking. The dog2 (talk) 15:22, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You left out the current banner, which is also a good one. With the caveat that I'd like all of these banners to be used somewhere, if possible, I like Banner 2 the best. On the other hand, a similar image of Ha Long Bay that's sharper and in nicer light would probably be better than any of these. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:26, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

It's a tough one for sure. Ha Long Bay is beautiful, and I have been there myself. The question is if natural scenery or cultural heritage is a better representative of tourism in Vietnam. The dog2 (talk) 21:52, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think we have to make that choice. We can simply choose between different images and pick the best picture, which is what I think I did. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:23, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I guess this could probably work if we want to make a banner using a higher resolution image of Ha Long Bay: . The dog2 (talk) 15:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Vietnam by motorcycle
I moved a bunch of text from Da Nang, and there is probably more that applies to all of Vietnam. This section is quite long now, and seeing Vietnam by motorcycle is a popular activity. I think it is worth branching this subject off into its own article to be expanded further. Anyone interested in doing so? Ground Zero (talk) 18:34, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I've started this article. Contributions would be appreciated. Ground Zero (talk) 12:33, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Introducing "k" for 1,000 dong
Many places in Vietnam use the "k" (without "dong") to denote 1,000 dong. Actually no one even uses "dong", since the "k" denotes the currency utilisation. And nothing costs below 1,000 dong.

Should we formally allow "k" to be used? I think it would make text and articles more readable, since all those 0 don't really help.

Also, how about just skipping "dong" all together, since no one really uses nor understands it? Asking in shops how much it is and using the word "dong" does nothing to help — but maybe I am pronouncing it wrong.

Cheers Ceever (talk) 07:57, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think we have to remember that our guide is not just read by travellers on the road, it is also read by people sitting at home planning trips. It would be confusing not to have the currency denoted. People will get accustomed to the absence of it on signs in Vietnam soon after they land.
 * I get the point of using "k" instead of "000", especially as one sees it so much in the country, but I think it should be explained the first time it is used in an article for the benefit if the readers at home, so that it is clear that "k" is not the symbol for the country's unit of currency. Ground Zero (talk) 00:54, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If "k" is the symbol they are going to see, it seems we should note the currency name (đồng) and symbol in the beginning of Buy, but introduce "k" in the next sentence and use "k" everywhere from that point on. –LPfi (talk) 09:55, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Car-dependent country?
If you're familiar with Vietnam, please take a look at Talk:Driving in Vietnam and help resolve my confusion about that article. Thanks! —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:09, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

 * I've replied to you on the other page. --F30 (talk) 08:27, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Border crossing scams
If anyone has crossed the border to/from Cambodia recently, I think it will be good if we can get an update on it. I've seen vlogs and read stories about being asked for a bribe by immigration officers. Apparent, if you are entering Vietnam with an eVisa by land, you have to bribe the immigration officer before they will stamp you in. The dog2 (talk) 16:55, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

 * And from what I've been seeing on travel vlogs online, you have to pay a bribe of US$2 to the immigration officer if you want to enter or leave by land with an eVisa. It appears that there's no way to avoid paying this bribe, as you will just be held up at the border otherwise. The dog2 (talk) 01:02, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

ATMs list
Why do we list the phone numbers of banks in the ATM list? Most travellers will use the bank's website to find an ATM, and not phone a call centre where they would likely have to speak to someone in Vietnamese to ask for the location of the nearest ATM. Ground Zero (talk) 15:29, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Deleted. Ground Zero (talk) 14:31, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Vietnamese phrasebook

Pronunciation
I've reverted or changed some of your edits at Vietnamese phrasebook, because to the best of my knowledge, they are a bit misleading. Before I go over the specific edits, I speak Vietnamese in conversation at home (never in a formal situation, therefore), and I guess that I speak a somewhat Midwestern US English. So the pronunciations I would give in the phrasebook would naturally be a bit different than yours would.

Your userpage says you at one point lived on the West Coast. For the points below, West Coast and Midwestern English aren't that different with pronunciation.

 * You said that the "a" in Vietnamese is like "cat". In the Midwest, we would pronounce that /kæt/ (if you're familiar with the IPA), and I'd imagine that in Seattle you'd pronounce it the same way. The Vietnamese "a" is pronounced /a/ in IPA. Just like in "father".
 * You said that the "e" in Vietnamese is like "set". In the Midwest, we would pronounce that /sɛt/. It's nothing of the sort in Vietnamese. IPA doesn't have a good way of representing it, but the Vietnamese "e" is pronounced roughly like /eə/ or /ɪə/. Just like the Midwestern way of saying "yeah". The only other way of pronouncing "yeah" that I know of is /jæ/, and that's also close to the correct pronunciation.
 * You said the "i" in Vietnamese is like "sit". The American pronunciation of "i" is /ɪ/, and that's not the same as the Vietnamese pronunciation, which is /i/, like in "seed".
 * You said: "uy : like 'w' in ' win ', thus the common name 'Nguyen' sounds like 'nwin'." That's the typical way of explaining the last name to English-speakers, but that's pretty far off. I usually tell people that it's like "eng-oo-WEE in?", and I tell them to try not to emphasize the "e" in "eng". Also, in a tripthong like in "Nguyen", the "y" is a lot more pronounced, so the "w" analogy falls apart there. The "y" is almost like a separate syllable, the way it's emphasized.
 * You said: "When giving your age, it is common to say just the digits, e.g., 'three-one' instead of 'thirty-one'." That's not always the case; example: it sounds really awkward to say "twenty-two" as "hai hai". You'd say "hai mươi hai" instead, or "hai mười hai" at the least, so that people can more quickly understand you. Now, when you're giving a phone number, you almost always just list the digits, which is a lot easier.

– Minh Nguyễn 00:16, 2 Dec 2004 (EST)

I think laugh is not the best word for illustrating the pronunciation of Vietnamese  - since that word would have different realisations depending on whether one's English accent is bath-broadening or not. English is quite "strange" in that many accents lack a plain [a]. It's not that uncommon among English accents to pronounce the regular a in a word like as [a]. In other accents, the u in or the a in may be a closer match. 1700-talet (talk) 17:12, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Kosher
The translation for this word is incorrect; "Tôi ăn kiêng" (are there any templates for inline-quoting like Wikipedia ?) literally means "I'm on a diet". While I do understand what kosher is, I don't think there are any equivalent terms in Vietnamese (and that most local people wouldn't understand it), so I didn't add a new translation. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 10:36, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

 * @NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh Thanks for the fix. I think if it doesn't have an equivalent translation, then it should probably be mentioned somewhere that there is no equivalent term in Vietnamese so travellers who only kosher food know how to get around in Vietnam and the villages in China where Vietnamese is predominant, maybe in an infobox. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:36, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm unfamiliar with templates here, hence this hidden comment. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 11:54, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Calling a waiter
To continue the discussion here, would it be safe to just ask tourists so say "Anh ơi" if the waiter is male and looks older than them, and "Chị ơi" if the waiter is female and looks older than them? I think the important thing is that we should ask travellers to sound reasonably natural, be reasonably polite and unlikely to offend. If let's say I say "Anh ơi" and the waiter looks old enough to be my grandfather, would it be likely to cause offence? The dog2 (talk) 21:11, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Probably not if you are a foreigner. Of course, it's still better to use the correct pronoun. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 23:59, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

 * OK, I've added more details. Let me know what you think. The dog2 (talk) 03:03, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Vigan

Vigan is were I grew i'm an Viqunue and i'm proud to be one. We respe ct each other as a family.

Vigan is the best city in the world.
Vigan is Spanish district in the whole Region I and its cleanest and greenest city in the whole Region I.

"Old-world charm"
When I was in school in the U.S., I was taught that the so-called "Old World" consisted of Europe, Asia and IIRC Africa, with the New World consisting of the Americas (I don't remember whether Australia was mentioned in this context). It's a highly ethnocentric term that pretends not much was going on in the Americas prior to the arrival of the white man, but that aside, since it means Asia or Europe in this context, what is really being suggested when the term "old-world charm" is used to describe this city? Colonial-style charm? Spanish-style charm? European-style charm? Let's be specific. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:06, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Villach

Why not a Guide
This is a great article, but See and Do don't have complete listings, i.e addresses, phone numbers, etc. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 12:13, 28 May 2006 (EDT)

Bad listing
The reviews on hostelworld, hotels.com and other various travel sights seem to have abysmal reviews for Jugendhotel Egger. Should it perhaps be removed? Bravemidwesterner (talk) 21:21, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

 * I'd say yes. See Avoid negative reviews:

 * Sometimes a restaurant, bar, hotel, or other attraction has such grave defects that it's just not worth going to. If this is the case, it's best to just leave it out of the destination guide for the place it's in.

 * There are exceptions, but that's the rule. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:11, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Redlinks
They seem to be about WV:Bodies of Water. And at this point I have given up trying to make sense of that policy... Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:14, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Understandable. However, there's no good reason for there to be red-linked bodies of water. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:37, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Soooo.... can we remove 'em? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Of course. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:40, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Vincennes

Indian Mounds and photos
I haven't visited the Indian Mounds in Vincennes, so anyone who has, or knows more details - PLEASE post!! Also any photographs of this city would be fab. (WT-en) Missvain 01:18, 24 December 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Virgin Gorda

I first visited Virgin Gorda in the early 1970's. Back then, there was no electricity and only a few paved roads. The posh hotel, Little Dix Bay (owned and managed by RockResorts), had already been established, but at the time it was an alien presence on the primitive island. In the intervening years, Virgin Gorda has gained electricity and a few more paved roads. It has also undergone a subtle shift from a very British ex-pat kind of place (the Lord Nelson Inn was a favorite hang-out) to a much more Americanized resort island. Is there fast food there yet? Gosh, I hope not.

The Baths is Virgin Gorda's most famous beach, due to its hidden caves and pools nestled amongst giant volcanic boulders. As a result, it will be crowded much of the time. But, there are numerous other beautiful beaches, several of which you might have all to yourself on any given day. Give Spring Bay or Pond Bay a try.

If Speedy is still in business, you can rent a jeep or similar island vehicle and toot about. Note that the driving is British-style, on the wrong side of the road. Currency is US dollars.

- Pip Nosher

3/15/08. I've added some entries (forgetting to log in). I am aware that we ought not list places twice, but I did include some resorts in Eat because of a common theme--eating lunch and looking around--and because people looking for food might not look under Sleep. OK?

(WT-en) RogerR 14:01, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

 * More than OK—you're doing fantastic work with this article! And such a wonderful destination deserves it too. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:06, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Thank you for your kind words. I'm also aware that towns customarily get their own listings, but the boundaries of the sprawling village of Spanish Town are imperceptible or nonexistent. Having been there, I'm sure you'll agree. (WT-en) RogerR 17:27, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

 * Yes, I would assume that there should be no more than one article for the island, and accordingly the listings should be placed in this article. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:58, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Sleep - rental listings (villas)
I've noticed a few entries in the Sleep section for (privately rented) villas and one new entry on WT for an agency that rents out "independently owned" villas. While I haven't been to Virgin Gorda yet, it seems to me that private rentals/villas are a popular option for accommodation. For example, TripAdvisor presently lists 232 rentals in Virgin Gorda vs only 18 traditional accommodations (hotels, inns, B&Bs, etc).

Per Rental Listings, at the first instance, rentals should not be listed in the article. However, given the apparent popularity of rentals, do we have consensus to list a few?

If we go that route, how should we handle the listings? Do we want a separate "Villas" sub-section after the four "districts" or do we want a "Villas" sub-sub-section in each of the four "districts"?

Alvanson (talk) 04:54, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

 * I do think we should allow villa rentals for the reason you identify. I think it's probably easiest to just keep listing them right in there with the resorts, since they're all helpfully named X Resort or Y Villa. Now as for the question of how to choose which rentals of the 232... I don't have a great answer for that one! Citing reviews on review sites like TripAdvisor is something allowed (on the talk page) to justify the removal of listings, so we can just list the ones that we care to write about, and worry about removing items if they're added later, I guess. --Peter Talk 06:02, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Ok, I've updated the listings that are already in the article (minor corrections). We should still forbid rental agency listings (e.g. Villas Virgin Gorda which was recently listed in WT) in the article.  If there is a particular villa or complex worth writing about, specific information on that particular villa/complex could be included in the article.  Alvanson (talk) 16:34, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Geocoding
Geocoding data sources include: Wikimapia and BVI Tourism Info. -- Alvanson (talk) 03:12, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

 * The coordinates of Yacht Harbour, Long Bay and CocoMaya was ascertained using Google Maps satellite imagery and the LatLng dropper. -- Alvanson (talk) 23:25, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Star potential
I've marked this article as having Star potential. Please see Star nominations for the Star criteria. I have reproduced the checklist below with some commentary:

 * Grammar and spelling must be perfect — See definition above. Prose should be stylistically superior and effective.
 * A catchy lede has been requested. -- Alvanson (talk) 02:23, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Illustration: the article should be appropriately illustrated with pictures and a Wikivoyage-style map, with all attractions marked.
 * In the alternative, if we geocode all attractions, will the automatic slippy map will take care of this criteria? -- Alvanson (talk) 02:23, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Listings should be in alphabetical order — geographical order is also acceptable if it is deemed better.
 * Done, but someone else please double-check. I seem to mess this up more often than I feel comfortable admitting!  -- Alvanson (talk) 02:23, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

 * No duplications: a listing should appear under one section only — if there is ambiguity, put it under the section that it most applies to.
 * Many of the resorts could be listed repeatedly throughout the article (rentals, restaurants, bars and suites -- so Do, Eat, Drink and Sleep). They've been listed under Sleep, but perhaps there's a better way to draw out the full value of a resort within the article.  -- Alvanson (talk) 02:23, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Time and date formats: Use: M,Tu,W,Th,F,Sa,Su; "...daily" not "Daily..."; "midnight and noon" not "12AM and 12PM"; "AM PM" not "am pm". (Examples: "M-F noon-11PM" and "9AM-9PM daily").
 * Hours still need to be added to a few listings. -- Alvanson (talk) 02:23, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Section introductions are not mandatory but should be present when they serve to improve a section.
 * More interesting intros to Drink and Sleep have also been requested. -- Alvanson (talk) 02:23, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Use "—" (mdash) for breaks in thought.
 * Done—I think. -- Alvanson (talk) 02:23, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Use abbreviations for addresses, e.g., St, Ave, Ln, Blvd.}}
 * What addresses? Not often used on the island!  -- Alvanson (talk) 02:23, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Please plunge forward and address any one of the issues above, or feel free to add your latest discovery. If you feel an item above is complete, please mark it as such.

-- Alvanson (talk) 02:23, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

 * This looks about right. Dealing with resorts that have dining and nightlife for non-guests is really hard in a place like this—our policies that usually make sense are a bit out of step with reality on the ground. I think the best way to deal with this is to dedicate a paragraph in the section intros to eat and drink noting that resorts below also have some great restaurants for non-guests, in particular X Resort Restaurant for its grouper and views over the..., etc.

 * The dynamic map will need more work too, which we are hammering out at Wikivoyage talk:Dynamic maps Expedition, where this article has been a useful example. I think it will be worthwhile to create a GPX track showing the boundaries of what this article covers (a line grouping with VG all the little islands surrounding). An urban example of this is at Singapore/Chinatown. It would also be really great to get the bay names on the dynamic map, which will involve editing at OSM. I want more experience with both GPX tracks and editing OSM, so if you want me to take care of that stuff, I'll gladly do it. --Peter Talk 21:49, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

 * You dynamic maps expedition people are doing some excellent work in quite a short period of time! I'm looking forward to the point where a suitable-for-print map is (semi-)automatically generated from the geodata for the print edition.  I'll definitely leave you to the GPX tracks and editing OSM.  -- Alvanson (talk) 23:33, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Virginia

Drink
Comment about "Self-induced injuries" is an interesting opinion; may not fit wikivoyage factual accuracy, though.

Cities
I've swapped in Alexandria and Arlington for Fairfax and Front Royal. Fairfax is almost certainly a less known destination than either of the two, and Front Royal was added by a persistent tout who does business there. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:05, 26 March 2009 (EDT)

Definition of Northern Virgina
The map on this article has a significantly larger definition of Northern Virgina then the map on the Northern Virgina article. What's going on here? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 19:39, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that too and came here to post about it. I would tend to trust the opinion of the user who made the Northern Virginia map, though unfortunately he is no longer around to join this conversation. Texugo (talk) 13:29, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Note about cities
The "Cities" section starts off by saying "Note: "City" is used here in a broad sense. Virginia draws a very sharp distinction between cities and other communities. Since 1871, all communities incorporated as cities are legally separate from counties."

Do we need that note? The law distinguishes between incorporated cities, incorporated towns, and unincorporated areas. Virginia's not unusual in that respect, that's the way it works all across America. The only thing unusual about incorporated cities in Virginia is that they're legally independent of the county (in other words, county law doesn't apply, only city law does). Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 18:37, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

 * (A) No, it's trivia, as far as most travelers are concerned; (B) 11 "Cities" are listed, but no more than 9 should be, per 7+2. Here's the existing list:

 * – state capital
 * – known for its military cemetery

 * Which 2 should be removed? I'm no expert on Virginia, but I'd say these cannot be removed:

 * Richmond, Arlington, Charlottesville, Norfolk, Williamsburg.

 * After that, Roanoke probably should be kept, but I'm not really sure after that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:39, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I suggest removing Bristol and Lynchburg. Also, remove the silly, trivial note. Mrkstvns (talk) 12:38, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It's over 2 years since the previous comment on this, so I'd suggest you just take the action you consider best. If you don't, I'll try to remember to do it, myself, later. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:53, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Mrkstvns (talk) 15:08, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

"See" and "Do" format
I just moved a bunch of "See" listings from "Do", but the formatting is not correct. We should avoid using listing templates (bullets are OK) and use prose descriptions. Also, this is no place to link attractions' URLs; instead, we should link the city articles where each attraction is located. I'm posting this here because I don't have time to deal with this right now, but in all likelihood, I'll get to this eventually if no-one else chooses to fix it first. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:35, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Changing region layout
Heres an idea, Maybe we can change the region layout according to what the 4th grade Virginia Studies course is teaching, Coastal Plain, Peidmont, Blue Ridge Mountains, Valley and Ridge, Appalachian Plateau. Someonehere12345 (talk) 22:15, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * How would that be most useful to travelers? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:11, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Page banner
Um, has anyone noticed that the page banner for the stare of Virginia is a cemetery? I get that Arlington Cemetery is important to Americans, but surely there is some other image that is not a cemetery that would appeal to both American and non-American readers. Ground Zero (talk) 03:42, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

 * We could swap in the banner currently used at Arlington (Virginia), and put the cemetery banner over there. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Unpopular opinion, but I quite like the composition of the banner, so I'd hate to permanently lose it. A swap would work, though. -- SHB2000  (t | c | m) 03:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Virginia Beach

Apparent copyvio
Much of the text in this article seems to be from vbgov.com, which is not public domain -- the terms of use states "You acknowledge that you have no right to the intellectual property associated with this Web site and that you have only a limited right to use this Web site." I have removed infringing bits. If they are re-posted, please only do so after leaving a comment as to why the content can be licensed CC-SA. -- (WT-en) Ryan 13:53, 10 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * I've also removed text that is copied from Wikipedia. Wikivoyage uses the Attribution-ShareAlike license, while Wikipedia uses GFDL.  See Project:Why Wikivoyage isn't GFDL and Project:Cooperating with Wikipedia for a discussion of why Wikipedia content can't be used here.  Note however that if the Wikipedia text came from a public domain source, or if the same author wrote both, then it can be used on Wikivoyage, but please leave a comment indicating why there isn't a copyright violation. -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:05, 10 Aug 2005 (EDT)

non-facts presented as facts in Association for Research and Enlightenment passage
Within the "See" section, in the Association for Research and Enlightenment entry, factual statements are made about Edgar Cayce and his apparent "clairvoyance" that are not factual. This passage could be more "fair" and read less like a pamphlet published by this controversial organization.

For more info: http://www.randi.org/encyclopedia/Cayce,%20Edgar.html

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Talk:Virgin Islands

Disambiguation
copied from Talk:U.S. Virgin Islands

As mentioned above, I think this article should be moved to U.S. Virgin Islands. The Virgin Islands is a transnational region encompassing both the U.S. and British Virgin Islands, so it seems jarring to have this article only cover the former. Any objections to a move & disambiguation? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:05, 11 June 2010 (EDT)

 * Agreed, it should be a disambiguation. Which should also include the Spanish Virgin Islands. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 12:01, 23 June 2010 (EDT)

 * Done. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 12:10, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

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text: Talk:Virgin Islands National Park

title: Talk:Virgin Islands National Park


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Talk:Virpazar

Virpazar is a mysterious Illyrian place, sort of a dreamy realm, hid in the mountains, by a modest lake, modestly breathing by the road Podgorica-Petrovac.

It's not a hunt for beach lovers or suntan claimers. It's for more than that, it's a place you can escape the hustle dhe bustle of the craziness of citites and people. A place you can ruminate your own thoughts without any interruption, without being affected by any pollution be it air, water, noise or PSI.

As soon as you leave the road and cross the railway, you walk on a short bridge, pass between two buildings, which are Hotel Pelican property, and it looks like passing between the two buildings you have just gone through the "customs" where the fee you pay is your acceptances or rejections of the offers that make you right there for a room at the hotel or a ride on a boat.

Then the "town" opens ahead of you. Some buildings surround the whole place leaving room for taxis, a little park where you can rest, some stalls where people sell little convenient things like olive oil, honey, souvenirs, cards, maps etc. If you ask they can find you anything, but internet. No internet access round. The last thing that closes the circle is Tavern Badanj, very salty prices, but a great place to pass parts of your day. You sit under secular trees with non-stop great perfect shades and enjoy your drink and view of the lake, the mountains, the boats coming and going, the other hotel "13 July" with great people, great food and clean. Impressive from there is the three-arch stone bridge which helps you to leave the town, which results to be on a little island, and find yourself at the tip of a rocky peninsula, starting with the "13 July" hotel, a place to park your vehicles and a greater view on the lake. There are two roads further on, among trees and rocks, with a castle on top, I didn't explore. They told me there were two or three other villages further on.

I can summarise: Virpazar: Great fish, tender meat, only potatoes in God's armpit.

Vladimir Marku - Albania

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Talk:Visa

Purpose
I don't see any practical utility to this article. Visas are very country-specific, and some of the info (eg. Saudi supposedly not needing transit visas) is outright incorrect. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:37, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

I have seen online tools that allow travelers to search for the visa requirements by destination and nationality; Such as here http://www.visahq.com/travel_tools.php

Current condition

 * The banner at page-end indicates this is just an outline...but no date for that entry. Believe page has developed past that point, e.g., explains why you may need one or more, and consequences of not having such.  Don't feel authorized to remove banner.
 * Definitely agree it should receive frequent fact-checking (an error could cause considerable grief), plus ".gov" or other clean links to dependable sites indicating which nationals need/don't need visas for which types of entry in which countries, e.g., for U.S. travelers.  Regards  --(WT-en) Hennejohn 13:00, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

Visa agencies
This user has added contact information to a company that does the paperwork for travelers who need a visa to Dubai against a fee. Saqib has reverted it twice, per tour. But do we have an explicit rule forbidding addition of visa agencies? If we don't, maybe we should: Visa. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:07, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * We don't need a rule for every little thing. This is simple common sense.  Powers (talk) 14:13, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * My revertion of those edits was per Tout, not Tour. It was a typo. Plenty of travel agencies provide you with a tourist visa to the Emirates so I don't think we should allow the listings of travel agencies. They fall both under tour and Tour. --Saqib (talk) 14:27, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Guide and FTT?
This article looks pretty good for being at usable status. So, like always: is it perhaps already a guide (possible FTT candidate) or is there still something important missing? --ϒpsilon (talk) 19:23, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Processing times
The article says you should, for most countries, "begin the visa process at least four weeks prior to your trip (six weeks for business and employment visas)." I don't know whether Finland is exceptionally slow, but I'd guess six weeks is nowhere enough for employment visas, if there is any special circumstances and you want to be sure to get it processed in time. I asked the Finnish migration authority website to calculate an approximate handling time for "other" work, and the answer was "2–4 months". --LPfi (talk) 16:45, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd say anything beyond the usual duration of tourism visas should get at least months of preparation... Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:11, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Visa requirements map
Looking up visa requirements of the destination is something every traveller will do, and is one of the top travel-related topics people look at on Wikipedia. But right now, our pages are very text heavy. I stumbled upon an online requirements website via Reddit today and it shows the power of making it interactive and finding the information quickly. Have we considered doing similar type of maps by using suitable plugins? We can utilize the large contributor base to keep it updated. I can foresee that it can be a huge draw for travellers to our site and some of them can be converted to contributors. OhanaUnitedTalk page 21:16, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has maps in their "visa policy of x" articles. I have in the past added those pictures to get in sections. Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:29, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Visiting friends
I am surprised to read here that you might not be allowed to visit friends and family on a tourist visa or as visa-exempt.

Does this apply to many countries? The example given is Canada, where you as visa-exempt are said to need a letter of invitation from your friend, if you are visiting them rather than being a usual tourist. I couldn't easily find that requirement in Canada.

Is the information on visiting family and friends actually missing from most articles? I'd happily go visiting friends as visa-free tourist otherwise, and I'd present a letter of invitation when booked accommodation is required to get a visa. If I read the passage here correctly, that might land me in trouble.

–LPfi (talk) 07:55, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

 * I don't think so Hobbitschuster (talk) 10:35, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

 * China has a separate visa category for "visiting family", used mainly by overseas Chinese but also sometimes by foreigners who have married Chinese. Coming on a tourist visa does not mean you cannot visit family, but it does mean you don't get the longer stay allowed on a family visa & I think you pay higher fees. Pashley (talk) 12:43, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

 * In some countries you actually need "an invite" for a visa. This can nowadays be worked around by travel agencies, but apparently it used to be that you actually had to genuinely know someone in the country to get the visa. Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:47, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * From my research, this is not true for Canada, so I have removed that example. Ground Zero (talk) 13:20, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Visiting friend and family as a reason to get a visa, to get it cheaper or to waive some requirements makes sense, but not being allowed to visit (or lodge with) them without getting a (different) visa is what sounds absurd, or at least surprising. –LPfi (talk) 14:12, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Carrying your university degree?
I don't understand that you shouldn't be carrying [...] a university degree when on a tourist visa. This is about tourist visas and documents related to your profession, but I think the example is odd. I understand that a CV and related documents are suspicious, but I think a single diploma would be quite innocent. Who would employ you based on a university degree diploma alone? I changed it to "such as those you would show a potential employer", do we have a better wording? Or do such diplomas cause real problems, when you carry a fresh one to show it to friends (the only reason I can think of where I'd carry one on a tourist trip). –LPfi (talk) 07:49, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

 * I think your edit puts the point across better.
 * And even if you have the intention to find employment, why would you carry the hardcopy around based on a simple potentiality, and not an electronic scan in a flash drive or instead of simply e-mailing it? Vidimian (talk) 08:21, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Missionary visas
We say that "Religious worker/Missionary visas permits you to enter the country for the purpose of practicing, maintaining, and advancing your religious beliefs."

I think we should be more explicit about this class of visas. I assume it is the advancing of your religious beliefs that is the point – or do you need the visa for practising and maintaining your religion as in praying, reading the bible and attending a religious service? Not even for a pilgrimage I believe. I don't know those visas or what countries this is about, so I hope somebody else can clarify.

–LPfi (talk) 12:17, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Requirement of printing out the application when applying online?
In we say:
 * "In some countries, applications are only possible online [...] [in that case] you will have to print-out the submitted application [...]. Next, you can set an appointment"

Printing out your application for yourself is more or less common sense, although worth pointing out. But "you will have to" is odd language for that. "Need" implies that you need to show the application when showing up (not only as a safeguard in case); don't the authorities have access to it? And we don't say anything about when to print out the application (save a copy before submitting, print out the page with the submitted form as delivered by the server?), or that you should take it with you to the interview and the voyage itself.

Isn't it common that the online application is enough by itself – if you have a biometric passport and are a national of the right countries?

The section is a bit confused also otherwise, with details on visiting a mission before introducing the missions. A restructuring should probably be done, with introductory paragraphs, and the different scenarios and procedures and each presented by itself.

–LPfi (talk) 07:46, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Visakhapatnam

URL for Blue Sea Fine Dining

 * This URL needs to be updated/corrected

Hotel addresses
Hotel addresses, telephone numbers and other details may please be inserted in order to assist those visiting Visakhapatnam. -- (WT-en) P.K.Niyogi 07:50, 19 October 2006 (EDT)

Anyone still updating this?
I am interested in keeping this page about Visakhapatnam up to date. Will anyone help? తెలుగువాడు (talk) 12:22, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

"Buy" section
It's really atrocious. A long list of mere names, really almost worse than useless. Unless someone wants to put in the work listifying it, or at least adding the minimum amount of information for it to be useful, it will need to be removed from the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:18, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

December 2006 prices
Some entries mention admission fees and such in December 2006 prices. Could someone update those? If not, I suppose it would be more helpful to delete the prices than to list 13-year-old prices. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:19, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Visa summary for EU citizens

Not all EU citizens are equal
I'm afraid this document generalizes too much -- not all countries treat all EU citizens equally. For example, until recently Swedes could visit Brunei without a visa while Finns needed one, and the US to this day requires visas from many Eastern European EU members (Bulgaria, Cyprus, Greece, Malta, Poland and Romania, at time of writing). (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:30, 4 January 2009 (EST)

I agree. Vietnam, for example, requires visas for most EU members but not Denmark, Sweden and Finland. And in the case of most countries, the EU is not treated as 1 country, and visa requirements differ for each member state. Therefore, I don't think we should have this list.218.186.12.219 14:27, 1 February 2009 (EST)

 * Updated to reflect reality --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 15:23, 1 February 2009 (EST)

 * This information should be in the Get in section of the relevant countries. Why update it twice?  --(WT-en) Inas 18:32, 1 February 2009 (EST)

 * "Get in" tells who can enter country X, but this page tries to do the reverse: tell EU citizens where they can go without a visa. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:40, 2 February 2009 (EST)

 * huh, I don't recall seeing anything but general talk about visa's on country pages. Mind you, I didn't start this article, but I can see it's usefulness if I ever get around to update it comprehensibly for all countries, for all EU nationalities. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 23:26, 1 February 2009 (EST)

Tables
I have reorganized this into a table for easier reference, and it's easier to tell what info is missing. There are still quite a lot of countries missing from the page, and in the previous list format, it was going to get enormously long if completed. We may want to split the table into continents so the page can be navigated that way from the table of contents. Texugo (talk) 19:02, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Albania
For Albania the article says Maximum stay: "90 days page €100". What does that mean? I find nothing similar in Albania visa information. –LPfi (talk) 15:55, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

 * Added in this diff. Seems incomprehensible to me. —Granger (talk · contribs) 16:06, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

 * OK. I remove it until somebody can word it comprehensibly – if relevant. It was added together with changing visas to needed (according to the diff). –LPfi (talk) 20:24, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

VFD nomination
We don't do lists on Wikivoyage. And in any case, if you want to go somewhere, you should be checking with that country's diplomatic mission, or the destination page on Wikivoyage to see if you need a visa. In particular, there's no way we can have a proper list for visa requirements for EU citizens, because there is no unified EU passport, and each EU country issues its own passports, so visa requirements will defer depending on which specific EU country you are from. The dog2 (talk) 16:37, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

 * Delete. As nominator. The dog2 (talk) 16:58, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:52, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per above and my comment at Talk:Visa summary for U.S. citizens. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:31, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * As a side note: citizens of EU member countries do have the citizenship of EU (and it says so on the passport) as well but this is really just relevant if you travel, work and live in other EU countries. But countries outside the EU sometimes have different visa requirements for, say, Germans and Bulgarians. Ypsilon (talk) 17:42, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

 * Delete or turn these into a short articles referring to some external site that has a well maintained list - maybe a EU / US based airline or travel agent. This kind of list need to be fairly complete, and updated every few weeks when something changes. The US list is far too short to be of use, and I can see some out of date info in the EU list (in addition to the complete lack of Covid updates). AlasdairW (talk) 22:01, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I think we should make these a soft redirect to Visa requirements for European Union citizens or Visa requirements for United States citizens. These WP articles are much more detailed and look to be regularly updated. AlasdairW (talk) 18:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Do we redirect any Wikivoyage search terms to Wikipedia articles? If not, should we? I don't think we do, but I don't know. I think it would be OK to do so in very limited cases that are exceptional and decided by consensus on a search term's talk page, but perhaps we should discuss that at Wikivoyage talk:Links to Wikipedia. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:44, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I am thinking of links to WP, not a direct redirect. I have put this on Visa summary for EU citizens, but this can be reverted if this is a bad move. This links to WP articles and an IATA database. I think that these kind of lists are more useful for those with less "popular" passports than US or EU - such citizens may want to avoid getting visas for airport transfers. AlasdairW (talk) 21:15, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with what you did, but it's probably worth having a discussion about it, maybe at that article's talk page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:31, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I now would rather keep the articles as is with the Wikipedia links. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:11, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

 * Delete--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

 * Delete these. Add links to the WP "visa requirements ..." articles in our Visa article. If that violates policy, add them anyway & consider fixing the policy. Pashley (talk) 01:49, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with adding to the Visa article, as it takes out a couple of steps that the user has to take in order to reach the information they need (far more likely that they'll find the Visa article before they find the two pages under discussion here).--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:52, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Any takers for this idea? Ikan Kekek?--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:05, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

 * Delete SHB2000 (talk)  10:48, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep or Redirect. As it now stands, with links to (hopefully) updated sources it does no harm and could be useful. When the equivalent info is included on the Visa page, a redirect should suffice, to avoid updating in two places. A redirect is useful for those who have bookmarked the article or find a link to it somewhere. No need for outright deletion. –LPfi (talk) 13:12, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Intermediate outcome - no consensus after 14 days, take an extra seven.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:47, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep until it can be redirected to Visa, per LPfi.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:08, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * How likely are Visa summary for EU citizens and Visa summary for U.S. citizens to be used as search terms instead of, say, "visa"? These would be good examples of completely pointless redirects. Ground Zero (talk) 01:10, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I feel like links to the counterpart Wikipedia articles are useful, but I won't make a federal case out of it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:32, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I would put those in the Visa article, where readers are more likely to find them. Ground Zero (talk) 02:29, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Let's do that, but although the article name is unlikely as search term, there may be links to it, and it may turn up in search results. Let's not break those links, but keep the page as redirect – and let's wait with redirecting until those links in fact have been added to the Visa article. –LPfi (talk) 06:53, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I now added the summary and links from the EU visa article to a new section Visa. The US visa article seems to just have an incomplete table. I suppose we now can redirect the pages. –LPfi (talk) 07:59, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Outcome: redirected to Visa.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:58, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Visiting Providence (Rhode Island)

Duplication with Providence (Rhode Island)
While the contributions to this guide are great, it seems like the content is exactly duplicating what is already in, or at least what should be in, the Providence (Rhode Island) article. Perhaps the author could clarify how this article is different from that one? Otherwise it might make sense to merge this with the main Providence article. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:35, 7 March 2011 (EST)

 * I agree. I went ahead and slapped a merge tag on it because, even from the title, it is clearly not an actual itinerary. (WT-en) texugo 02:14, 7 March 2011 (EST)

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Talk:Visiting volcanoes

So, I moved a joke entry to Project:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense, but I'm wondering: do we need to delete this article, or could we actually make something worthwhile here? Should it be moved to the simpler Volcanoes? --(WT-en) Evan 22:05, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

Delete it. That's what Volcanoes is for. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 22:26, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Visit United States in 30 days

Too many photos
This article currently contains 44 photos, far far more than our policy recommends. It would be a nightmare to pull up on a dial-up connection. I'd like to see this cut down to about 10 photos if not less. Any thoughts? (WT-en) Texugo 22:53, 3 January 2008 (EST)
 * While I agree this fellow added a bit too many photo's, they are all very good and one would have a difficult time picking which ones to eliminate. He made the trip in 30 days which seems about right for a young person with limited time. I think this is another case for adding a gallery at the bottom of a page. By being at the bottom, that should not present any problem with connection speed. Better yet, if wikivoyage could load like photoshop layers, layer 1-text, layer 2-photo's, layer 3 ads, that may be a solution, dunno. My main concern with this article is the photos I checked seemed to have no license. Maybe we should contact the contibutor before doing any editing and ask for his assitance. (WT-en) 2old 11:16, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * You could also use the gallery tag to lay out the pictures horizontally. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:52, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Why is this an article?
Seems idiosyncratic. Perhaps the article would work as one in a series on traveling across the US but as a 30 day trip? Starting in, of all the places, Schnectady?--(WT-en) Wandering 10:40, 4 January 2008 (EST)

 * Agree it´s a bit random... Something more common like ´´NYC to LA in 30 days´´ I think would make more sense, no? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 10:58, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * Not only is Schenectady an odd place to begin, the itinerary basically involves driving as quickly as possible to the eastern Rockies and spending 3/4 of the trip in the western half of the country. Apparently all of the important attractions in the U.S. are in California, Nevada, and Arizona.  (WT-en) LtPowers 09:48, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree...way too much time is spent in the western states. You are completely leaving out the entire eastern half of the the country...the half where 3/4ths of the populations lives!!! How can you leave out the Washington!! And other places, like: Boston, Buffalo (Niagra Falls), the Appalachian Mountains, Charleston (SC), Florida, New Orleans, Texas, Santa Fe, and others. At the very least, this should be given another title and made more consise. (WT-en) AHeneen 00:20, 4 December 2008 (EST)

 * I think the title should be changed to something like "30 Days USA Nature Tour" or something similar. Then we should remove the cities and add some more interesting natural sights, such as Niagara Falls and Monument Valley. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:36, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

 * All the attractions are in:

Ohio, Illinois, South Dakota, South Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Wyoming, Wyoming, Wyoming, Wyoming, Nevada, California, California, California, California, California, California, California, California, California, California, Nevada, Nevada, Utah, Utah, Utah, Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona, Arizona, California, California, California.

Apparently the West is all that really matters, Screw New York, Atlanta, Washington, Boston, Philadelphia, Virginia, Outer Banks, Gulf Coast, Florida, and everything else! --98.163.27.150 21:49, 16 April 2012 (EDT)--98.163.27.150 21:49, 16 April 2012 (EDT)

Rename
I think this page should be renamed to Visit the Western United States in 30 days. (WT-en) –sumone10154 14:22, 22 March 2011 (EDT)
 * Not a bad idea, but it does visit Chicago and start in Schenectady. (WT-en) LtPowers 20:59, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

VFD Discussion

 * Redirect to United States. Under the revised Project:Itineraries criteria this should not be a standalone article, and I don't see anything in it to merge.  A redirect seems harmless enough as I suspect there is probably some SEO value in keeping this around. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:50, 8 April 2012 (EDT)

Result: Redirected to United States of America. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:22, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

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Talk:Vitória

@User:(WT-en) Texugo: Why do you insist in putting Cachoeira and Aracaju as the major routes through Vitoria? Aracaju is much less important than both Salvador and Porto Seguro to begin with. The latter two are historical and cultural city that most brazilians and foreigners want to visit. What is there in those other cities that would make visitors change their destinations? I've been to Aracaju myself and I can say easily Salvador and Porto Seguro are much more important cities.

If you want highlight those other cities for some other reasons, do it in the right place (like "get out" sections or create a "off the beaten path" section). Plus Guarapari has no "í" in the end. I don't know where you got that. Check the wikivoyage article of Guarapari yourself. -- Ricardo, April 17, 2009 9:25 UTC

 * I don't think you quite grasped the concept Routeboxes, it's meant for exploring the cities along a highway route - in this case the BR101, and should contain the two nearest towns we have guides for along the route, not the most interesting ones - it has nothing to do with notability. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 05:43, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

 * I do get that those are cities along the BR101 route and that was already my assumption, Stefan. However, your hypothesis of "nearest" is unrealistic. By that assumption, we would need to list cities like São Mateus, Linhares, Teixeira de Freitas, etc. which are also in the BR101 route and are much nearer to Vitória than Aracaju, for example. How do you choose the best one? Since this is a site of tourism, I assume the listed cities should be the ones more interesting touristically, therefore, Salvador and Porto Seguro. You may argue that those cities aren't exactly in the BR101 route, requiring some sort of detour. If that's your argument, we have to remove also Rio, Vitória, Guarapari, etc. from that list. However, from Vitória, to get to Porto Seguro or Salvador, 99% of the route is through BR101. So, I insist on putting them there. Your points didn't convince me. -- Ricardo, 2:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

 * Just read the concept of routebox and I advise you and User:(WT-en) Texugo to do it. The minor destination should be the next nearest city in that route for which Wikivoyage has an article. I don't know if Porto Seguro is the nearest but it is certainly nearer than Cachoeirinha. The major destination should be the next large metropolitan city or junction. Again, Salvador is nearer than Aracaju in that route. And the article clearly says that the city doesn't need to be exactly in the route to be included. -- Ricardo, 11:41, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

 * The two nearest are not that complicated, it simply implies the two nearest we have guides for, so if there are any towns or villages nearer than the two listed with pages on WT, please feel free to change them. The two major are the ones highway signs would post you are driving towards. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 09:36, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Vladimir

Star article?
This is fairly close to being a star article. The big obstacle, though, is that it needs a Wikivoyage style map with all listings marked. As far as I can tell, there is no such map in the public domain or under a CC-by-SA compatible license (OSM's data for the city is very incomplete at the moment). If OSM gets a ton of new content for the city, or if someone locates a public domain map or high-resolution satellite imagery, please let me know, and I'll be happy to create a tourist map for the article. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:29, 24 February 2009 (EST)
 * Well, this is something I wanted to ask you. There is a high-resolution image on Google Maps for a huge part of Vladimir, and there is a full street map as well. Alternatively, I can suggest few other map sources (bitmap files). Just tell me what is better. We can probably share the work, since I have an experience in working with vector graphics. Drawing from the scratch is likely too difficult for me, but labeling the streets and placing the attractions should be easier. (WT-en) Atsirlin 03:23, 24 February 2009 (EST)

 * Unfortunately, all Google Maps imagery and data is copyrighted, so we can't use it here. Any bitmap sources would have to be either in the public domain or licensed compatible with CC-by-SA. If you're not sure whether they are compatible, please link them here, so I can check. Sadly, finding free-content map bases for destinations outside the U.S. is still fairly difficult, since only the U.S. government releases its high resolution satellite imagery into the public domain—I've only been able to do those St Petersburg maps because the CIA mapped the city during the cold war. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:39, 24 February 2009 (EST)

 * Look here: . But I am pretty sure that these maps were copyrighted. Actually, I thought that the complete redrawing of the map "kills" the copyright: you simply take the shapes of the streets that can not belong to anyone. (WT-en) Atsirlin 03:46, 24 February 2009 (EST)

 * Yes it's a bit ridiculous, but the street layout as shown on a map is subject to copyright by the mapmaker. Maps under copyright even go so far as to introduce errors in order to catch copyright violations. One would think that at least satellite images would be OK (like the ones Google Maps uses), but even those images are subject to copyright.

 * The allvladimir maps are very good, though—if we could get permission to use them, I could make very good Wikivoyage-style maps for the city. You could try sending them an email and asking whether they might be willing to allow us to use their maps under our license. The key parts of which are: Anyone can reuse and modify the maps, provided they 1) credit the author, and 2) keep it under the same license. There is a Russian translation of the license here that you could show them.  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 04:07, 24 February 2009 (EST)

To my mind this article is far from being a star one, the data is wrong and it's hard for me to change it, the page didn't accept my corrections. 62.182.70.112 11:09, 9 March 2010 (EST)Ekaterina

 * It looks like another editor undid your edit because it wasn't clear why you were deleting the Horizon listing. It can be helpful to leave an edit summary when making a change, so others understand why you are making the change.

 * So please, try again and make the necessary improvements! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 12:28, 9 March 2010 (EST)

 * Oh, I understand, thank you for help! 62.182.64.208 13:32, 10 March 2010 (EST)Ekaterina

By the way, I have a question: may be we should write the pronouncment variant, as you see every name has its calling in English for example "Russian Village" restaurant then goes the Russian one (Русская ��еревня, and what about "Rooskaya Derevnya" or kind of that? 62.182.64.208 13:39, 10 March 2010 (EST)Ekaterina

 * We have not quite decided this question, but my recommendation is to follow this example from the Yakutsk article:

 * This is the best place in Yakutia (and thus likely the world) to try Yakut national cuisine. Some iconic Yakut dishes to look out for include Oiogos (Ойогос) (baked foal ribs), Salamat (Саламат) porridge, and Indigirka (Индигирка) salad (made with frozen fish).

 * Короче говоря, translate the name but also show the Russian version; use Russian for the street address, but also provide a transliteration (pronouncement variant) for the street address. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:48, 10 March 2010 (EST)

 * Ok, i get it. Peter, where should I write my summary, in the end of editing? (WT-en) Ekaterina 14:11, 10 March 2010 (EST)Ekaterina

 * Close, in the thin rectangular box just above the Save page button (marked Summary: ). --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:18, 10 March 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Vladivostok

Images are unvisible
For some reason none of the images on this page are visible to me...They work fine on other pages and while the html appears fine i just see the link, anyone else getting this?--(WT-en) Jed 02:32, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
 * This is a technical problem. See "Thumbnail shows up as gray box" at wts:Project:Travellers' pub -- (WT-en) Sergey kudryavtsev 02:54, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Walking tour
Moved in from the article: (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 04:11, 15 December 2008 (EST)

 * A virtual Historic Walking Tour of Vladivostok has been put together by Washington State University and the Far Eastern National University.

Dong Chun Ferry Co.
"Seems to indicate" is too sketchy for inclusion unless someone can confirm it; Google considers it an attack site. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 14:52, 15 December 2008 (EST)

The Dung Chun Ferry company website seems to indicate that there are also services to Slavyanka, which is a port town 180km from Vladivostok (and only 50km by boat).
 * Nah, there was the service to Zarubino (a port town couple of miles from Slavyanka), but it was discontinued, and now ferry continues straight to Vladivostok. --77.35.31.41 12:28, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * As of August 2009, passengers from Vladivostok to Sokcho were transported by bus to Zarubino (4hrs) where we boarded the ferry. Be sure to have 30 dollars for the harbour fees. (WT-en) Jjburns 05:13, 7 October 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Vlorë

80.78.79.1588
Please stop reverting edits that remove text from this guide. If you object to the content they remove, you can at least preserve the things they have added. Most of my edit was removing wholly incorrect travel information, irrelevant anecdotes, and fixed some grammar. If you have an objection to this, please discuss that here, thanks. - (WT-en) sethinthebox 04:26, 9 September 2010 (EDT)

title: Talk:Vlorë