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Talk:Perhentian Islands

Maybe a map would help with the problem of locating the restaurants, etc. since they don't have addresses?

 * Sure, but you'll need somebody with better cartographic abilities than mine. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:48, 30 Aug 2004 (EDT)

 * I've done the shorelines and roads. If you have an SVG editing tool could you take care of putting your eat, drink, and sleep listings on the map?  Thanks! -- (WT-en) Mark 09:33, 30 Aug 2004 (EDT)

 * URLs:

 * http://www.geekhive.net/mark/perhentian_islands.karbon
 * http://www.geekhive.net/mark/perhentian_islands.svg

 * I made them with KDE's Karbon 14.

 * If you do work on them, could you also add a scale? Thanks! -- (WT-en) Mark

 * OK, the newest version of the SVG now has all of the restos and stuff. -- (WT-en) Mark 09:36, 31 Aug 2004 (EDT)

 * Excellent! Unfortunately the original map has its fair share of problems, not replicated here, and I have no editing tool for fixing them...  or any better map to reference on the Web. (sigh) I'll have to dig a decent topo map the next time I'm in Malaysia, but for now, a big tip o' the hat to Mark! (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:31, 31 Aug 2004 (EDT)

 * We still need to place the one drink listing on the map. Where is it supposed to go? -- (WT-en) Mark 15:06, 31 Aug 2004 (EDT)

 * Ah yes.... so to be quite exact, the order on the beach is Coral View, Paradise, Perhentian Cafe, Watercolours, Mama's all in tight succession. Maybe you could also add a little trail separating Mama's and Cocohut to show that these are separate beaches? (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:37, 31 Aug 2004 (EDT)

 * I guess that means that the listings themselves could still use some tightening up. I would be nice if someone like me who's never visited the islands could place them on the map just from reading your article. -- (WT-en) Mark 04:48, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)

As a whole, the map (and article) are also tilted towards the western beaches of Besar, because that's where I've spent the most time — but in reality Kecil is the busier and more full-featured of the two. Guess we'll have to wait for another intrepid Wikivoyager to make their way there... (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:37, 31 Aug 2004 (EDT)

 * Could be.. Or you could just dig out some brochures if you have any.  ;)  -- (WT-en) Mark 04:42, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Really while we are at it we should probably weed out some stuff on Besar. Things are too close together.  Maybe you could just mention that both beaches are lined with places to stay, and then list the highlights.  Believe it or not some of the Arrondissements of Paris have the same exact problem.  If I try to make a map the little Icons get all lumped on top of each other. -- (WT-en) Mark 05:21, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Pasir Panjang
What is it? You mention it a couple of times, as a way of locating places from the listings, but there's no explaination of what it is in "getting around" or anywhere else. I'm guessing it's the path that goes across Kecil, right? -- (WT-en) Mark 05:13, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Actually, it is right there in Sleep: Pasir Panjang (Long Beach). Most places in the Ps have both Malay and English names, which doesn't make getting around any easier... I've added a little table. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:51, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Copy editing
OK, so I've done some anal-retentive Project:Manual of style editing of the listings. Mainly I split up the description from situations where the title of the listing was used as the first word of the sentence, which is sort of a big no-no. The result has less flow, perhaps, but we gain a lot in having the data structured.

I've also tried to add "addresses" where they were missing. These could probably stand some correction. I've also put in a couple of questions in HTML comments.

As for the front-listed link thing, they are butt-ugly that way, so I changed them to the numbered links which appears to be where the consensus is headed, even though the MOS still calls for bare-linked listings at the end. I'm thinking that these will automatically turn into icons when we upgrade right?

So anyhow, I hate doing this stuff. I feel dirty now. But this is the DOM, so the listings really need to reflect the MOS. -- (WT-en) Mark 07:58, 2 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Grr. But I resisted the temptation to revert and instead cleaned up your cleanups; for example, the self-proclaimed Perhentian Cafe is really not the kind of place that needs an accent on the "é"!  But where did you get the info regarding the New Cozy Chalets?  Google finds nothing and it certainly wasn't there the last time around (early July) when I walked the length of the west coast.  There is a New Cocohut Chalet, but that's a different kettle of ikan bilis. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:09, 2 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * It was on that map you pointed me to. It said "New Cozy".  If the Cozy is really abandoned, then we should de-list it. As for the acute accent on café, that's how the word is spelled, even in English. -- (WT-en) Mark 08:20, 2 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * And oh yes, thank you for self-reverting the changes to Cope, which (IMHO) don't require any more structure than that provided by the bold tags. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:12, 2 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Huh? -- (WT-en) Mark 08:20, 2 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Somebody else did that (Nils?). I'll leave it even though the MOS calls for the headings to stand on their own outside of the sentences.  Meanwhile, you really need to either flesh out or weed out the three "identical" chalet providers.  If they really are identical maybe you could do something like this:

 * Mama's. Near the south end of the main beach on Besar.  The southernmost in a string of nearly identical string of Chalet operators, Mama's provides basice non-air-conditioned Chalets for 60-80 RM.

 * That way we can declutter the map a bit and make the icons bigger. Meanwhile listings with very little description text look pretty bad, so from a typesetting and graphic design point of view we really need to pad them out a bit, so please if you can remember anything else about those places write it, otherwise let's de-list them.  This is DOM so it really has to look good.  Thanks! -- (WT-en) Mark

-- (WT-en) Mark 08:28, 2 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Article move
Did this article really need to move? There was a redirect from here to Perhentian Islands and the Project:Article naming conventions would seem to favor the "island" over "pulau" -- heck, I called them "perhentian islands" when I was there. I guess it's not big deal, but seemed like "Rearranging the Deck Chairs" to me... (WT-en) Majnoona 13:18, 18 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Tok Bali location
Err, if Tok Bali is "several kilometers north" of Kuala Besut, then turning "left and walk up the road about 1km" is going to take you in precisely the wrong direction. Which is it? (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:51, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

 * Tok Bali is several kilometers north of Kuala Besut - it's not walkable.

Best place to get boat from?
Anyone know which is the best place to get a boat from: Kota Bharu or Kuala Terengganu?
 * In terms of speed it sounds like Kota Bharu is recommended, because you don't get a boat from Kota Bharu or Kuala Terengganu. You get a boat from Kuala Besut which is slightly closer to Kota Bharu Airport: http://www.backpackjoe.com/GettingAround/tabid/56/Default.aspx

 * There was a direct ferry from Kota Bharu a few years back but it was discontinued; I've not heard of it being started up again.
 * Ferries used to go from both Kuala Besut and Tok Bali; the article suggests the latter has now closed. I've used both (although the last time was about 3 years ago) and would recommend Kuala Besut. Both are inbetween Kota Bharu and Kuala Terengganu and can be accessed from either. Kota Bharu is much nearer and there's a direct local bus, plus frequent share taxis from there. From Kuala Terengganu you can take a Kota Bharu bus and get off at Jerteh, and then continue to Kuala Besut by local bus or taxi / share taxi. Tok Bali is nearer to Kota Bharu than Kuala Besut, but it's a shorter and quicker crossing from Kuala Besut (so longer drive, shorter crossing, quicker overall). No matter what, DO NOT buy a return ticket; don't buy your boat ticket back until you're ready to leave. Hope this helps, please update the article after you've been! ~ 202.79.25.170 07:20, 8 October 2007 (EDT)

GET IN to Perhentian

Please take note that the " SLOW　Ｂｏａｔ＂　ｉｓ　ｎｏ　ｌｏｎｇｅｒ　ｏｐｅｒａｔｉｎｇ　＞Ｐｌｅａｓｅ　ｄｅｌｅｔｅ　ｔｈｅ　ｐａｒａｇｒａｐｈ　ｓｏ　ｔｈａｔ　ｉｔ　ｗｏｕｌｄ　ｎｏｔ　ｃｏｎｆｕsｅｄ　ｔｒａｖｅｌｌｅｒ.

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from:Piboat operator

Mira Beach closed
Mira Beach is closed. I was there in Feb '08 and the owner has apparently gone to prison. -(WT-en) Christiaan 17:37, 8 March 2008 (EST)

MIRA BEAcH NOT CLOSED
....Thats not true about MIRA CHALET, that guy may be not know much about us. I'm the owner of Mira Beach, realy sad with that staement. My Phone no.0199672349. We are never close forever! Im never go to prison. May be we closed during monsoon and that guy got wrong info from somebody else on their visit. our email adress:travelinfo@rocketmail.com Our rates : room with fan / outside bath RM 40. Room with bath RM 80.(please take note: We have 7 room with shared bath and only 1 room with bath. electricity from 7pm to midnite, and save the freshwater.

Boat service touting
For the past couple of weeks various editors have been showing up multiple times each night to add their own travel services. It isn't clear that these individuals are the operators of the service, and thus they would not be appropriate for inclusion in the article. If those adding the listings actually operate a boat service please discuss here, but otherwise such listings should be removed. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:42, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

I want to inform you that there is ONLY SPEED BOAT operating on the Kuala Besut jetty. PLease delete the paragaph slow boat as it has been no longer operating long time ago so that it won't confuse the traveller. and just to inform you there is also the new established PI BOAT services +6097479668 selling the boat ticket beside the Kuala Besut services .and the telephone no for KUala Besut services is +60129907638 please update your website for the coviniences of the travelers. :from malaysia travellers.

SORRY I AM THE NEWCOMER and newly established boat operator PI boat services telephone +6097479668 at the kuala besut jetty .i try to insert my name on this webpage it seem that it have been deleted several time. sorry i don't know procedure. can you please add my company name. PI BOAT services.

THank you from Owner pI boat operator

 * Hello, and thank you for replying. The way you sign a post on a talk page is to type four tildes (the "~" key) in a row before pressing "Enter."

 * So since it sounds like you own the boat company yourself, you should indeed list it. Don't use ALL CAP text, and have a look at dt for some guidelines (including the fact that you can list any business once in only one article), but please go ahead and make the edits.

 * All the best, (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 05:43, 12 April 2012 (EDT)

 * Than you in helping me to list on the website from:owner PI boat services

 * I have some questions for you, now that I see your entry. How is it, if you yourself own the boat, that you are able to deliver tickets to the airport in Kota Bharu, etc.? I would have thought you'd be too busy actually selling tickets in K. Besut and operating the boat to be able to send messengers, or whatever, to Tumpat and so forth. So, do you actually own the company that operates the boat, or do you just sell tickets for them? (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 09:33, 12 April 2012 (EDT)

Sorry for the late reply, For the convinience of the travelers,we have a delivery boy who ill deliver the tickets to the travellers at the airport or the Hotels in Kota BHaru town but the reservation must be made at least one day in advance without any additional charge

 * Thanks for explaining that. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 04:26, 29 April 2012 (EDT)

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Talk:Perisher

Rename?
Something jars with this article being named after a ski resort. A search at [http;//ga.gov.au] shows there is no gazetted place called Perisher Blue, which is hardly surprising.

I propose that this article be renamed Perisher Valley, and appropriate redirects from the resort name be made. --(WT-en) Inas 02:49, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

 * I'm not sure I'd support that -- if Wikipedia is to be believed, WikiPedia:Perisher Valley actually only covers about 25% of Perisher Blue. There are plenty of cases of destinations named after ski resorts, mostly notably next year's Olympics site Whistler. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:19, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

 * That said, the WP article for PB says that the name is now officially just Perisher, so perhaps that's the best option? (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:20, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

 * I not sure I see the similarities with Whistler. Whistler is a town as well as a resort.  I can type it into a GPS, I can find it on a map. It is a gazetted name.  Perisher Blue was a catchy name invented by the marketing department of PBL, and is a registered trademark.  Perisher - the new name is also a registered trademark and not a geographic name.  It would be the equivalent of Disneyland, and I just don't see it fitting into the same exception as Disneyland does.  Why not put the information on the resort within its geography.  The official tourism site already refers to the areas as Perisher Valley  .  It is only the corporate site that uses the Perisher and Perisher Blue trademarks.  There are things there that aren't part of the corporate offering. --(WT-en) Inas 06:52, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

 * Our criterion is "most common name" — if people call it Perisher, than that's what it's called, trademark or no. Perisher Valley is only one of four villages within Perisher. (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:18, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

 * People may call it Perisher, but I think they do so only as an abbreviation for Perisher Valley. The new trademark of Perisher as a promotional name for the ski resort hasn't been launched as yet, to the best of my knowledge. The ski season kicks off in another month or so.  However, since people already call the place Perisher, the use of the new trademarked name will probably consolidate the usage of the abbreviated name.  Still, I'm happier with Perisher, since it is a common abbreviation in use, and picked up as the new name, than I was with Perisher Blue, which is purely a marketing invention. --(WT-en) Inas 20:34, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Perlis

Contributor link: for researching this article try:

- (WT-en) Huttite 06:47, 15 Apr 2005 (EDT)
 * http://www.cuti.com.my/guide_perlis.htm

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Talk:Persian phrasebook

Month names
I edited in the Gregorian month names, and took out the persian names since I can't type them correctly presently. Here are the months with the dates they typically correspond to in the Gregorian Calendar.

 * April : April (Farvardin) (Mar 21-April 20)
 * May : May (Ordibehesht) (April 21-May 21)
 * June : June (Khordad) (May 22 - June 22)
 * July : July (Tir) (June 22 - July 22)
 * August : August (Mordad) (July 23 - August 22)
 * September : September (Shahrivar) (August 23 - September 22)
 * October : October (Mehr) (September 23 - October 22)
 * November : November (Aban) (October 23 - November 21)
 * December : December (Azar) (November 22 - December 21)
 * January : January (Day) (Dec 22-Jan 20)
 * February : February (Bahman) (Jan 21-Feb 19)
 * March : March (Esfand) (Feb 20 - March 20)

(WT-en) Jaytan 01:49, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

Lost phrases
I moved the following information from Iran. It should be integrated into this phrasebook. --(WT-en) Evan 14:29, 15 December 2006 (EST)

Here's some useful Persian words: example > Sefaarateh faraanseh Kojaast? ( Where's the French embassy ? )
 * Merci - نرسی, motshakeram - متشکرم, Sepasgozaram ( Thank you )
 * Bebakhsheed - ببخشید (Excuse me)
 * Komak - کمک ( Help )
 * Man gom shodam! من گم شدم ( I'm lost )
 * Komakam Konid - کمکم کمید ( Help me )
 * Man Mitarsam ( I'm afraid)
 * Nemifahmam Chimigid ( I can't understand what you are saying )
 * Ingilisi Baladid ? (Can you speak English ? )
 * Nemidoonam - نمیدانم ( I don't know )
 * Dokhtar - دختر ( Girl, Daughter )
 * Pesar - پسر ( Boy, Son )
 * Khanoom ( Lady )--placed after the name
 * Aaghaa - آقا ( Gentleman)
 * Dastshoo'ee Kojaast? - دستشوی کجاست؟ ( Where's the WC ?)
 * Hamaam Kojaast? ( Where's the bathroom ? )
 * Hotel "something" kojaast ? ( Where's "something" hotel? )
 * Mishe yek taxi baraye man begirid? ( Could you please get me a taxi ? )
 * Istgaheh Raah'aahan Kojaast ? ( Where's the train station ? )
 * Foroodgah Kojaast ? ( Where's the airport ? )
 * Istgaheh Metro Kojast ? ( Where's the subway (BrE: Underground) ?)
 * In Otoboos Kojaa Mireh ? ( Where does this bus go ? )
 * Sefaarateh "country name in Persian" Kojaast ? ( Where's the "nationality in English" embassy? )
 * Esme Shoma? - اسم سما؟ (What is your name?)
 * Lotfan (Please)
 * Lazem (Need)
 * Ghazaa - غذا(Food)

Country names in Persian:
 * Germany > aalmaan - المان
 * France > faraanseh - فرانسه
 * Britain > engelis - انگلیس
 * Japan > zhapon
 * Italy > Italia
 * Russia > roosiyeh - روسیه
 * India > hend - هند
 * Canada > Caanaadaa - کانادا
 * Switzerland > Swiss
 * Iraq > araagh
 * Turkey > torkieh - ترکیه
 * China > cheen
 * Hungary > majaarestan
 * Poland > lahestan
 * Austria > otrish

Persian vs. Farsi
In the Iran article it states that a visitor should refer to the language as Farsi rather than Persian... should we rename this article Farsi? Are the phrases in this article so far based on Iranian Farsi, or is it a mix of stuff from other countries too? I know they speak a version of Persian in Afghanistan, etc... but why not call this article Farsi, and then create a Dari phrasebook for Afghanistan and Tajik Persian phrasebook for Tajikistan? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 02:13, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

 * I would definitely support a move to Farsi phrasebook, principally because it is the name by which the language is most familiar to native English speakers, at least in the US. I actually use the name Persian myself, but find it to be a bit of a novelty for most people I talk to.

 * Unfortunately, though, this is a bit complicated politically. Historically, the English-speaking world used "Persian," while Iranians referred to the language as "Farsi." The revolutionary government in Iran changed the official English word to Farsi, and that then became the standard, but many Iranians preferred the original English term "Persian" because it tied the language to its ancient literary/cultural past and distinguished their country from neighboring Arab states. So, we might have to brace ourselves for some politically motivated edits.

 * Lastly, the distinction between Farsi, Dari, and Tajik is not very great, so (again for political reasons) some prefer that they all be called Persian to stress the unity of these dialects/languages and of the people who speak them. For the traveler it definitely makes sense to have a separate Tajik phrasebook because the language diverged due to Russian influence and is written in Cyrillic. Dari on the other hand is very similar, but if someone wrote the phrasebook, that would be a bit more useful in Afghanistan. We should probably have notes in the talk section of Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan explaining that knowing one of these Persian languages/dialects will probably enable you to get by where another is spoken. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 14:34, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

I think it would be a mistake to change Persian to Farsi. Farsi is a Persian word - it is the Persian word for Persian! So of course Iranians have called the language Farsi - that is what the word is in their language. Saying "I speak Farsi" or a "Farsi Phrasebook" is like saying "I speak Espanol" or a "Francais Phrasebook"!

Second, there are MANY differences between Persian as it is spoken in Iran and Dari and Tajik. As a native speaker of Persian, I often have trouble understanding Dari and Tajik because the syntax is different and they also use certain words to mean slightly different things, which in context can make a big difference. Plus, even politically speaking, Iranians do not have any inclination to be painted with the same brush as Afghans or the Tajik, so unity is not an issue. So for a traveler, it is vital to appreciate these differences and respect them. Otherwise, the person would quickly be labeled an ignorant and arrogant foreigner who sees all the people from that region as being the same without appreciating the differences.

Third, the Persian phrases used in this article are overly formal and unnecessarily burdensome and no one actually talks like that. Some of the phrases would in fact invite chuckles from native speakers. But I don't want to go through the trouble of fixing the whole thing only to spark an argument and have people change it all back. So before any major edits are made, there needs to be a consensus about what the purpose of this article is. There is a huge difference in Iran between "Book Persian" and "Conversational Persian." And there are some mistakes that need to be fixed. (I fixed one; "Ham" means pork, so it is "Ghoosht-e Khook"; not Hamburger!)

Finally, the transliteration style is not uniform or user-friendly. At times, I even had difficulty figuring out what the word was, so it is doubtful people can get the right pronunciation. Again, that is a change that would need to be applied uniformly. (WT-en) Smalek 13:02, 11 January 2008 (EST)

 * Thank you for your interest in this article, I'm sure it would benefit from your help! Please do change the phrases to conversational Persian, rather than literary Persian, as the former is much more useful to travelers. I don't speak Persian, so I can't comment on the transliteration scheme as it is employed here, but please take a look at Project:Pseudo-phoneticization guide—Wikivoyage prefers an unsophisticated, but very accessible (to native English speakers) transliteration standard across all phrasebooks.

 * As for the Farsi v. Persian question, I think your response actually supports a move of this page to Farsi phrasebook, to distinguish it from the other Persian languages of Dari and Tajik, since, as you say, they are sufficiently different where separate phrasebooks would be appropriate. I cannot speak for all English speaking countries, but in the United States, "Farsi" has become the most common name in English to describe the official language of Iran (similar to how Americans now refer to citizens of Iran as Iranians, rather than the historical Persians). Most English speakers, alas, are actually unaware of the link between Persia and Iran. So while yes, Farsi is a Persian word, rather than a long-established English word, it has become the most common word in daily English usage. The word Persian, however, is most often used as a more general term (in English) to refer to all three languages/dialects (as evident here). So I think that this page should be moved to Farsi phrasebook, and we should create a disambiguation page here referring readers to Farsi phrasebook, Tajik phrasebook, and Dari phrasebook. I think that would make the relationship between the Persian languages most clear for travelers. Does this sound reasonable? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:53, 11 January 2008 (EST)

 * I went ahead and created Dari phrasebook, I'll wait a little longer before we move this article to Farsi phrasebook... any other objections? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 22:52, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

 * Not from me—we have separate phrasebooks even for Australian English, and "Farsi" is undoubtably the most common name used to distinguish the language of Iran from Dari and Tajik. I say go for it. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:42, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

 * Different dialects are normally named after the country. So, the Persian of Iran can be referred to as "Iranian Persian", that of Afghanistan: Afghanistani Persian, and finally that of Tajikistan: Tajikistani Persian. In English, we also say American/British/Australian/Canadian/etc. English, also: Canadian French, Austrian German, Egyptian Arabic, Brazilian Portuguese, etc. So, let's follow the trend and don't use local names. After all, we are writing the pages in English and not in the local language. Thanks for your understanding. --(WT-en) Alijsh 23:05, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Clean up and improvement
Hi. I just revisited this page after a long time and as I noticed various shortcomings (especially in pronunciations). I decided to help to improve this page. Since I'll alter the pronunciations as the first step, I decided to write about what I'm going to do and inform people who have worked before me on this page:

As for showing pronunciations, there's a somehow standard Latin-based writing system used in various Persian educational books, dictionaries, academic books, etc. I'll use it here to present the pronunciations with only two differences: NOTE - gh, kh, sh, zh are tempting but these digraphs can lead to misreading. The reason is that, for example, s and h don't always form a digraph and there are cases where they are pronounced individually e.g. eshâl. That's why they are not used neither in most educational books nor in academic circles at all. They are shown with q, x, š, ž respectively.
 * 1) I'll use ø to denote the glottal stop rather than the apostrophe which can be used to denote contractions. Apostrophe is a punctuation mark and not suitable to denote a sound with.
 * 2) I'll use ch instead of č (which is also written simply as c)

P.S. I improved the pronunciation section meanwhile. I'll get to the other sections soon.--(WT-en) Alijsh 01:07, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I have modified the page up to "numbers". That's it for today. --(WT-en) Alijsh 02:56, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * New sections: Syllable, Stress; "time" section and all its subsections were cleaned up, corrected and expanded.--(WT-en) Alijsh 00:42, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * A major update. New section: Basic grammar (more to be added, though); Updated sections up to "Bars". Soon, Persian joins "Complete" pages (hopefully).--(WT-en) Alijsh 13:05, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ok. I'm finished. Now, the Persian page qualifies "complete". I have added a full section about Persian grammar that can also be exported to the other Wiki's. I deleted the section about "love". It's a sensitive topic and demands a fair knowledge of the language or it can easily lead to misunderstanding. Especially regarding Iranians and their culture. I must recheck the document to correct possible typos. --(WT-en) Alijsh 06:41, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Perth

This article
Is this article being maintained by Perth locals or 'wikivoyagers' ??? It's pretty misleading :/

 * If you'd be more specific we could improve it.

--150.101.89.130 02:38, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * huh? this edit is 7 years old? sats (talk) 02:53, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Safety
Once again after more than a year of just letting this one go I have put back the "Avoid Mirrabooka" and added the ethnic (African and Aboriginal) gang terms back in to this article. If this American tourist had of known about aboriginal gangs at Mirrabooka bus station, it's probable he would have been able to avoid the situation he found him self in and not ended up looking like this.

Also I have added a newer trend in that more buses now are coming under attacks by Aboriginal youths throwing rocks as well as a general increase in assaults on Perth buses.

Look this is not meant to be racist in anyway but rather used as a way of identifying people who may be of potential danger to a tourist similar to the Hungarian article about avoiding gypsies. Gangs of white and Asian youths also exist in Perth but these gangs tend to fight among them self and generally avoid effecting wider society. Aboriginal people in particular have many social problems that are generally no fault of their own but rather caused by the society and groups of people that they are forced to live around. Most of these problems with aboriginal and African gangs are a direct result of government mismanagement of the needs of these people and aboriginal and african people see public transport as just another government body and so it's natural that they would vent some of their frustration out in these areas.

-z80

 * Seeing as one of my recent edits was edited out, can we discuss race/safety issues a little bit here to get some sort of agreement?

 * Someone keeps putting in a section saying visitors should avoid areas like WSBS and Mirrabooka where "African" and Aboriginal people are fighting turf warfare, or some such argument. Me, I've never seen or heard of this problem anywhere - not read about it nor experienced it personally. So I deleted it and recommend it stays that way.

 * On the other hand, I have personally experienced problems with Aboriginal people demanding money and cigarettes. I have got out of various scrapes in various places with by just stopping and having a chat, but this never seems to work here. A number of my acquaintances have had similar experiences, so I do strongly recommend avoiding contact with Aboriginal people on the street, unless you have appropriate cultural knowledge. (I don't really want to get into an argument about why this is the case, because there are clearly very big problems that I don't have answers to).

 * Maybe it is a case of noting places to avoid? Problem is, that means that the Macca's end Forrest Place would be out of bounds!

 * Comments? Suggestions?
 * 58.7.196.243 19:43, 5 January 2007 (EST)

 * My apologies to the person who thought that the “Stay save” section I edited was racist, but I really think it is important. Today I saw a loan young Aboriginal woman, who was doing nothing at all, being assaulted by a group of 3 African young men.

 * As I work around these two areas, I often see this, usually about 2-3 times a week depending how much I work, and it's both sides, one day it will be Aboriginal against African, the next it will be the other way around. Mirabooka Bus Station is often closed by Secure Force or the police and buses simply have to find another place to drop their passengers (not as easy as it sounds).

 * It's a sad fact of our Perth society, but it does put the general public at risk and so despite the obvious racial implications people need to know this.

 * It should be obvious that this is just a very small element of these groups.

 * I don't think it's appropriate to reference this statement with police reports, news articals from 7 perth and ABC, as well as radio logs from secure force, the polce, and path transit, because it may make the problem appear larger than it really is.

 * Regards.. Z80

 * The Perth Zoo is located a very short walking distance. It would talk 5 minutes at the most. It would be a further walk to the bus stop than it would be to the zoo from Mend St.

guide
Is it at *Guide status yet? Keep smiling, (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 19:15, 3 November 2008 (EST).

I'll give this another day. If not thoughts-I'm upgrading. Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 13:07, 4 November 2008 (EST).

perth dotm
Do you think Perth could be a DotM? Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 19:29, 16 November 2008 (EST).

Move to just Perth?
At 1.5m inhabitants, this Perth towers way over the world's other Perths (incl. the original, a stripling of 40k), and the current name is unwieldly in the extreme. Why not move it to plain old Perth? (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:17, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

 * Considering trying this, failing objections? --(WT-en) inas 21:41, 5 January 2010 (EST)

 * Done - lets see how it works. --(WT-en) inas 17:26, 10 January 2010 (EST)

Eat listings
I just put all the restaurants into proper listings tags. Many have no information on what type of food or price the restaurant has. Im not familiar with some/most of them and don't live in Perth at the moment. It would be great if people could add at least a quick description as to if the food is Italian, Vietnamese, Fine dining or whatever. Also I tried to organize them into categories, useful or not? (WT-en) Cardboardbird 23:29, 29 January 2010 (EST)
 * Well almost a month and no input. I have done a bit more work today and added a few more listings for places I ate at last week during my visit. Those listings with little or no info should probably be deleted since they add nothing. I'll leave it as is for now and take a look in a few weeks. (WT-en) Cardboardbird 06:16, 23 February 2010 (EST)

Drink Section
I rewrote the drink section to put that long bit of prose into tags. Its not perfect but I think its closer to following the styleguide than what was there before. Like the Eat listings, there is a lot of info missing. I will see what info I can dig up online later, but since I am not in Perth right now I cant check out anything first hand. Could people have a quick look and add info they know (or delete places that have closed). I will endeavor to clean up the other sections as time permits. Thanks (WT-en) Cardboardbird 03:03, 1 February 2010 (EST)
 * Added some info today to make this more complete. But still don't know if these places are any good? Any drinkers want to do some field research? (WT-en) Cardboardbird 07:47, 2 March 2010 (EST)

If not Districts / Dividing it up?
Perth is not really big enough to be divided into districts like Sydney and the others, but the see section is getting pretty unwieldy with the new listings. I'm thinking about how a visitor would see or visit things so I divided them into Perth CBD and Outer suburbs. Places in the CBD are easy to get to and move between, but places elsewhere require more travel to get there (make it a day trip). I cant find much precedent in other articles, but it seems to look logical and cleaner to me. Any objections? (WT-en) Cardboardbird 07:47, 2 March 2010 (EST)

 * I actually think we could districtify Perth, particularly if Fremantle is included - and it should be, no matter that it is a separate city administratively. Virtually all travelers to Perth would regard Fremantle as a suburb of the city. I could easily see four or five Perth districts, but would leave that to Cardboardbird to propose :). I would be happy to help with mapping the districts. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:21, 24 March 2010 (EDT)

 * And I have just noticed that Northbridge is a separate article! Mental. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:23, 24 March 2010 (EDT)

 * The difficulty I see in districtifying Perth is that I cant see a neat way spit in to districts where all have enough interest to support a page on its own. Perth, Northbridge and Freo have enough things to see and do, as do the hills/swan valley and the coast. But the corridor of suburban sprawl in the middle has little going on. As a first run at it, maybe something like:
 * Perth CBD (including East Perth down to the casino and South Perth to the Zoo, maybe even to Subiaco)
 * Northbridge (Maybe also including Highgate/Mount Lawley in the cafe strip along Beufort st up to Walcot rd)
 * Fremantle
 * The Hills (Including the Swan Valley wineries, Guildford, Midland and Mundaring)
 * The Coast (Cottesloe, City Beach, Scarborough, Sorrento)
 * Everything else north/south of the river not covered by the other districts.

 * It's the Everything else that causes problems for me. Should it be spit into two North/South districts or combined one huge districts on one short page that lists the few fairly uninteresting (to a traveller) sights in these suburbs? Thoughts? (WT-en) Cardboardbird 07:45, 25 March 2010 (EDT)

 * Any chance you could sketch that scheme on a city map? Even a hand-drawn scheme, scanned and uploaded would help with the visualisation. We have dealt with the "uninteresting suburbs" problem before with many cities, so Perth is not unique in that respect. It does make for a dull district article, but it is probably inevitable I am afraid. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:34, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

 * I've sketched out my idea for where the districts would look like and put it here . In doing it, I thought a  Swan Valley district separate from The Hills might fit. Its often promoted at a destination on its own and there is enough content for decent pages on Guildford, Wineries and Wildflower areas. As you can see there is a great chunk of inner suburbs space in the middle where not much goes on. It might have enough interesting things to make one page on its own. Maybe this needs to be one district on its own? (WT-en) Cardboardbird 08:06, 12 April 2010 (EDT)

I will upload that to shared so we can see it in article here.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:05, 12 April 2010 (EDT)

Aaargh!!!! Just done so and I see it is a Google Map. That's a no-no and a breach of copyright. I will try to knock the same thing together iwth OSM - should not be too hard.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:09, 12 April 2010 (EDT)

 * OK. I have taken more or less the same area from OpenStreetMap (which we can use as a free source!). Can you please mark out the same areas on this one and reupload it? (use the same name - so it is a new version of the same map). I am bit confused as the road numbers are completely different? Cheers. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:37, 12 April 2010 (EDT)
 * Here is a new version of the map for further discussion. I got lost on the roads too. I only know names, not numbers. - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 06:46, 13 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Big coincidence.... I have just finished a draft! I managed to get the districts marked OK I think, and will upload for discussion right away. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 06:54, 13 April 2010 (EDT)

This is the first draft and let's get the ball rolling with comments. Several immediate comments from me:
 * The airport is bloody huge! =)
 * That bit of Inner Suburbs South, north of the Swan River seems odd.
 * If at all possible, district boundaries should follow a road - can adjust later when we have an agreed scheme.
 * Are the North, South and East boundaries arbitrary? Or ?--(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:28, 13 April 2010 (EDT)

 * The map looks good. As far as boundaries go. I'd say North to Mindarie (Mindarie Keys), South to Bibra Lake (Adventure World) and east to Chidlow (Lake Leschenaultia). This should capture all the points of interest. If it needs to be trimmed then cutting it east at Mundaring and North at Burns Beach wouldn't matter much. True, the extra bit of Inner Suburbs South over the river should be part of North. The river is always used as the dividing line. - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 11:37, 13 April 2010 (EDT)

 * All understood in principle although I am sure more questions will be forthcoming. It would also be helpful to have a list of dotted towns etc to show. I just chose some places I knew of! If you could post those here I will work on this and hopefully have something serviceable within 3 days. I also need a definitive source for route numbers as the sources disagree.... is there a state transit map you know of?--(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:48, 13 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Perhaps we can just include Rotto and Mandurah here, and get rid of Perth (region)? Sure, strictly speaking separate cities, but so is Freo.  --(WT-en) inas 21:26, 20 April 2010 (EDT)
 * I'd say towns/suburbs needing a dot (apart from what's there) would be: Midland, Kalamunda, Mundaring, Cottesloe, Armadale, Guildford, Chidlow and Upper Swan. I find the WP route number page to be quite accurate. This one  is much the same but it has pictures. - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 21:42, 20 April 2010 (EDT)
 * Any further thoughts about merging the Perth(region) into a simple Perth page? I'm trying to fill out the WA region pages and the Perth(region) doesn't look like it will cover anything that wont be covered in the (proposed) Perth districts. I can see it including Mandurah too. I'd like to get Perth districted up next (even if a map isn't ready) but it would be nice to know where it will all go. - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 09:35, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

 * My only issue will be the sheer vastness of the districted area: Mindarie to Mandurah is a very long way. And Rotto will stuff the scale up as it is so far to the west of the original proposed coverage. So, although it would be good to lose the Perth region, I can see including Mandurah and Rottnest as part of the city creating some real mapping issues.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:25, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Aww.. come on! :-) I'm sure you (we?) can figure out the mapping issues.  Insets for Rotto?  I think we make the decisions that makes sense based on visitor regions, and then confront the mapping issues that come out of them.  --(WT-en) inas 19:09, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Point taken about the size of the map. Its quite sprawling as is. Inas' idea for having insets sounds workable. Perhaps one highlevel view of the whole region (rotto to Mundaring, Mindarie to Mandurah) with an inset of a detailed view of the Perth suburbs. This should kill two birds: Get rid of the Perth(region) and include the area down to Mandurah. I don't think travellers are using these region/district maps for navigation, more as an general orientation of what where places are in relation to other places. Are there any other maps like this on WT? - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 21:09, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

 * It is not the technical aspects of the map that concern me but the scale given the size of the proposed district. How far is it from Mandurah to Mindarrie? About 130km? That would make this city districts map larger in scope than the top level regions of many countries. I think London is the largest city districting job I have seen here, and the scope of that is about 90 km across, and required 3 different maps to make sense of it. Given that some of the Perth city districts are only 2 km across, they would be invisible on the map. That could be dealt with by insets, but there would need to be at least two - one for Rotto and one for the actual city. I can see it getting very messy.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:05, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Well, London has three maps to deal with the issue. in Sydney, we will have the same issue, if we every agree districts.  A couple of city centre districts are less that 1km wide, and the total city metro area is 90km from north to south.
 * In Perth, the southern extent is very coastal, so you could almost put an inset in the bottom right keeping the same width as Perth.
 * The area would have to be mapped as Perth (region) if we changed nothing, so if worst came to the worst we could just do the map we would have done for Perth (region), and then put a city centre region.  --(WT-en) inas 22:13, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Progress on districting Perth seems to have stalled. I have some free time right now so I'm considering plunging forward and building on Burmesedays' fine work to with create maps and district pages. Reflecting on the discussion so far, perhaps 2 maps might work well?; one for inner-Perth (Freo, South Perth, Perth CBD/Northbridge) and another outer-Perth (everything else including Rotto). Hopefully this can fulfil everyone's suggestions. District maps will give the finer details. Unless there are any objections, I'm going to get on it in the next few days. - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 23:03, 8 June 2010 (EDT)

 * Looking forward to seeing the results of your endeavours.  --(WT-en) inas 23:14, 8 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Great to hear. Give me a shout if you have any questions about mapping. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:52, 8 June 2010 (EDT)

2013 update
Sheesh - the district breakup is quite a challenge - from 3 years ago - the following is ok

 * Perth CBD (including East Perth down to the casino and South Perth to the Zoo, maybe even to Subiaco)
 * Northbridge (Maybe also including Highgate/Mount Lawley in the cafe strip along Beaufort st up to Walcot rd)
 * Fremantle
 * The Hills (Kalamunda and Mundaring and beyond)
 * The Coast/Beaches (Cottesloe, City Beach, Scarborough, Sorrento)
 * Everything else north/south of the river not covered by the other districts. (travellers tourists are hardly going to find destinations in suburbia)

However it needs:-

 * Swan Valley wineries, Guildford, Midland

Unless some complaints arrive at some point, will be changing this... sats (talk) 08:08, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree. The Hills and the Swan Valley area have enough of interest to support separate districts. Go for it. - Cardboardbird (talk) 07:43, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Stay safe
What on earth is this all about: In boring old Perth? Defintiely not my experience, nor that of three people I have just asked in my office. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:28, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
 * "Males walking the streets alone at night are likely to get mugged and females are very likely to get raped and robbed."

 * Hmmm. I saw this along with a lot of similar edits on there this morning. I thought I had reverted them, but I guess it didn't take. Most definitely a grossly alarmist view on the relatively few violent crimes that happens. Sounds like someone with an agenda. Perth has no more, and probably less, violent crime than any other Australian city. I will have another go at getting this rubbish out. I'm not all that happy with the general tone of the whole stay safe section, but I will tackle that one later. (WT-en) Cardboardbird 07:33, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

Spelling/Grammar
I understand the casual nature of WikiVoyage, however it would nice if at least an attempt could be made to double check your spelling before you publish an edit or a new section. —The preceding comment was added by Middle Pathway (talk • contribs) 06:11, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Snow?
Not sure what is going on there in climate? Snow has only been recorded in the Perth hills 3 times since 1829, hardly something worth a mention - see http://www.feargod.net/wa-1956snow.php something that really is bit like flying pigs sats (talk) 14:41, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Good point! However, Perth's remoteness is not just a claim - it's reality: The most remote city with a population in excess of one million is Auckland where the nearest city of comparable size or greater is Sydney a mere 2,168.9 kilometres (1,347.7 miles) away. Coming in a very close second at 2,139 kilometres (air travel distance) is Perth, Australia where all of us Australians should bemoan the fact that the nearest city of at least one million population is the city of festivals, Adelaide! --150.101.89.130 02:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

That has to come from somewhere - you dont just pick it out of your brain, or the ether... to save the poor people who dont believe most of what is in the perth article - some clue as to the assertions origin would be very useful to save further edit wars... sats (talk) 02:15, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Look mate the whole thing is pretty arbitrary and the contenders would change if you pick a smaller population of half a million say, but I don't need "sources" for the distances - just do some research and then tell me I'm wrong or put your own contenders forward. If you'd ever lived in Perth you'd know that most of them there think they're the most isolated but I won a pub bet by proving that's Auckland so there you are. --150.101.89.130 02:34, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

 * A Google search indicates that at best the claim is based on arbitrary contentions about what a "city" is - see Perth. In the case of disagreement the proper solution is to work out compromise language on the talk page, not to re-assert the original claim and re-insert it. -- Ryan • (talk) • 02:46, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Also, while we don't use footnotes in destination articles, when you are challenged, the correct response is to back up your assertion, not to tell your challengers to "do some research." If you can't back up your assertion, it would probably be best to concede the point. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:49, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Problem with voyage edits is that to apply and assert the reality claim requires no further proof compared to the issue being examined sufficiently as at Perth sats (talk) 02:52, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

 * That Wikipedia article does not give the lie to what I wrote. The most remote city with a population in excess of one million is Auckland where the nearest city of comparable size or greater is Sydney a mere 2,168.9 kilometres (1,347.7 miles) away. Coming in a very close second at 2,139 kilometres (air travel distance) is Perth, Australia, so exactly why is it misleading to write, as I did: "Perth is the capital and largest city of Western Australia. It's one of the most isolated cities of over one million residents on the planet, separated from Adelaide (the nearest city with over one million inhabitants) by 2,139km..." ? For neighbouring cities of more than one million or more it's a true, factual statement since it's the second most isolated. Have I got my measurements or populations wrong? Pick different population thresholds and your mileage will vary. --150.101.89.130 03:57, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

 * This is fast losing any real usefulness for voyage - as Ryan and Ikan have said, on voyage where anything is contested it is removed and then checked so a compromise or resolution might be reached. The voyage site is for people to understand places where they might wish to travel, to labour over whether perth is isolated - (the article itself repeatedly refers to isolation)  - so what?  I personally felt more isolated living in Darwin than I ever have in Perth.  Reduced services, lack of backup for a whole range of expected facilities, and less assured of adequate range of a whole lot of expected things you get when living in the rest of australia.  I would personally see more purpose to labour over warning travellers more about what not to expect in Darwin due to isolation - Perths supposed isolation is a redundant issue really, it does not affect anything but travel costs - whereas Darwins has specific serious affect. sats (talk) 04:29, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Whether it feels isolated or not is a different issue - I'd agree that it doesn't feel in the least isolated and you can also make a good argument for saying that such a true factual statement that I made doesn't belong in the beginning section of this guide. But you've already probably collectively expended more time than would have been required to check and either confirm or contradict the factual accuracy of my correction when you needlessly added (as if it were untrue) the words claimed to be as if there were some doubt as to the veracity of the qualified claim.
 * Now this discussion has been useful, because I do agree that we need to point out that this metric reality of being one of the most isolated cities of over one million residents on the planet has little practical effect for travellers - and also point out the advantages of "isolation". --150.101.89.130 04:43, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

 * You're right that there are facts that are encyclopedic and not particularly relevant to travellers. We usually leave those out, unless they're super-interesting. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:52, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

a bit off topic
My (german) girlfriend is visiting Perth for the next two weeks. Is there anything worth visiting especially that time? She'd like to have contact with some locals. -- Cherubino (talk) 07:40, 22 October 2015 (UTC) (admin german wikipedia)

 * She will be there during Melbourne Cup Day (an important horse racing event). There should be plenty of buzz in Perth around it as well, so easy to meet new people on the 3rd November. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 08:05, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Limo tours
Are these allowed under this site's tour listing policy? I doubt it. I think special exceptions can be made, like the black taxi tours in Belfast, but Perth doesn't have an unusual history of intercommunal violence and resulting propaganda murals, so I think these listings are probably inadmissible. Your thoughts? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:53, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * A propos, I've deleted the rather promotional-sounding introduction to that section. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:09, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Similarly, we really want to list a party bus for some group of drunk barhopping tourists to charter? Here's the deleted content:
 * By bus charter
 * If you want to do one-day or half-day tour with 10 people or more, then a bus charter  will be cheaper: Midland Bus, Party Bus Hire Perth/, Westwide, Bus West and Horizon West.
 * Wikivoyage caters to independent travelers. We have party buses in New York, too. I don't want to see listings for them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:12, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

[unindent]

I've moved this entire subsection here, as I consider it touting and not relevant to the readers this site means to serve:

By private chauffeur

Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:12, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

"By airport shuttle"
I've moved this here because: (1) it was in "Get around", and airport shuttles are not for getting around the city but for getting from the airport (and ergo a subsection of "Get in/By plane"); (2) its tone feels somewhat promotional to me; (3) relatedly, there's only one company mentioned and linked, unless I misunderstand something:

By airport shuttle

Airport shuttle can be most easiest way to get from airport to different parts of Perth. Airport shuttle Perth offers airport to Perth city shuttle for just $ 24 per person, they also offers shuttle services from Perth airport to Fremantle. They have a special price for a group of people so if you are a family of 6 or more it might be cheaper for you because they can charge you a group transfers rate which could be cheaper, Easiest way to get in touch with them is by filling out their booking form.

Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:15, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Walking tours
I took these sentences out of "Get around", because walking tours don't exist to get around but as an activity (ergo, "Do"), but I also don't know what to do with this content:

Perth city has at times had books and pamphlets for self guided walking tours.

Two Feet and a Heartbeat has guided walking tours.

OK, how is it helpful to know that Perth "has at times had books and pamphlets"? Maybe a book collector or historian would be interested to know that. But are such books and pamphlets readily available now?

Also, is there really only one company that does walking tours in Perth? I doubt it, but clarify if that's true. And do those walking tours concentrate on one district or are they so widely distributed around the city that they should have a listing on this page? I'd like to see a templated listing somewhere. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:20, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Links in "Get in/By taxi"
It's not Wikivoyage style to provide mere links. What do you think we should do with those? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:29, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

A freeway is missing from the static map
I just had a quick look at Perth on OSM and it seems our static map omits the Tonkin Highway (Hwy 4) north of Reid Highway (Hwy 3). I've never been to Perth or WA so I don't know whether this freeway will be a useful addition to the static map, but it seems like a road that most travellers will use to travel north-northeast from Perth, more so than the Great Northern Highway (Hwy 95). I had a quick look on Google Maps to see what these roads look like, but when I do visit the Perth Region, I think I'm more likely to use this highway over this. However, there has to be a reason why this was omitted and before I do go ahead on Inkscape and add Tonkin Highway, I'd like to know whether a) it's a useful addition and b) why it was omitted. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 01:42, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:Perth


text:
Talk:Perth (Ontario)

http://shop-heritage-perth.com is a site developed by the Downtown Heritage Perth Business Improvement Area (DHPBIA) to feature and promote the shops and restaurants that make up the BIA in the Downtown Heritage Core.

Changes to 'See' section
Modified section to conform to recommendations for format. http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Attraction_listings

Added link to a "My Map" implemented by the Downtown Heritage Perth Business Improvement Area using this new Google facility. This is basically a tour of the Downtown area - for example showing a photo of Perth's town hall and where it is located. The link is to the BIA map developed using this new Google facility. (WT-en) Hchatfield 14:50, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

title: Talk:Perth (Ontario)


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Talk:Perth/City

Apartments
Looking at some of the hotel listings there are a few apartments. As is policy on apartments, a consensus must be made before they can go in. I think Perth has enough hotels/backpackers that rentals are not necessary for most travellers.

I will move them here while discussions go on,
 * Surrounded by restaurants, entertainment, art & culture destinations and parks, the residence provides security, comfort and convenience.Every apartment, ranging from studios to one-bedrooms have broadband internet access, designer fixtures, additional lounge and work spaces and a home entertainment system for the comfort of the residents.

 * Duke's consists of 1 - 4 bedroom apartments that sleep 2 - 10 people in holiday houses or apartments.

 * Flat One Perth is a great alternative to hotel accommodation. It's a 5 star designed, 2 bedroom, luxury executive apartment just a short walk from the CBD, King's Park and the convention centre. Facilities include plasma TV, swimming pool, tennis courts and gym.

 * 4 1/2 star property with one, two and three bedroom apartments with full kitchen facilities, laundry, free Foxtel and balconies to all rooms.

 * 4 star comfort in the heart of the city. 192 fully equipped and spacious apartments including kitchen, lounge and dining areas.

Thoughts? (WT-en) Cardboardbird 21:08, 24 November 2010 (EST)

Banner
Maybe a banner without the blown-out overexposed lights? -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 07:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I have created a daytime alternative, Banner 2, showing a panorama from Kings Park. AlasdairW (talk) 21:57, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The bridge is pretty iconic to Perth (especially at night), though, so my order of preference is 1, 2 and then very distantly 0. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 22:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 1 is a striking image. Go with that. 2 is good, too. Ground Zero (talk) 22:06, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 11:51, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Perth/Fremantle

District?
Why is Fremantle treated as a district of Perth? It is a 25 minute train ride away from Perth and has its own identity. Fremantle is a well-known city and I suggest that it be given its own page. (WT-en) Shep 16:13, 19 August 2010 (EDT)
 * I absolutely agree! Can it be moved? It's definitely not a district of Perth. Samwilson (talk) 00:35, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Peru

Various
Perhaps there should be some warning of taking coca-tea out of Peru. I've heard that many countries treat any products of the coca plant as illegal drugs, and taking with you a couple of teabags to enjoy in your home country can get you into serious trobule with the law.

Either I'm absolutely ignorant about the existence of a standard classification of important gastronomies in the world and a reference is missing either this is extremelly funny: "gastronomy (the fifth most important one of the world)" - why not the 4th? :-)

Shouldn't we outsource most of the CIA stuf? It's too many facts that are not so necessary for traveling. It makes the page harder to read.

 * Yeah, probably. But it's nice having placeholders for stuff until real articles can be written. -- (WT-en) Evan 19:03, 4 Sep 2003 (PDT)

Placeholders are OK, but on the Peruvian page, a begining is already done. Tomorrow, I will have a look what I find to be important and outsource the rest on a new linked page. If you agree. -- Hans

I've removed the most irrelevant stats, the same as I've done on a number of other CIA factbook listings. Some of the rest are probably surpurflous(sp?) too... (WT-en) KJ 00:31, 5 Sep 2003 (PDT)

 * "superfluous." B-) -- (WT-en) Evan 13:28, 5 Sep 2003 (PDT)

Thank you Karen for proofreading and reviewing. I could not resist and have shortend the statistics part from the factbook. The complete statistic is linked. --- Hans, 5 Sep 2003, 15:26 MEST (13:26 GMT)

 * I don't even think the link is really all that necessary. If someone needs invasion statistics for Peru, they can find that info elsewhere. We really need the travel info. As an aside: Hans, you should really set up a user account so we can all talk to you! I assume you've been doing all the great work on Peru -- keep up the great work. Also, I wonder if we could move part of this discussion to the factbook import talk page. -- (WT-en) Evan 13:28, 5 Sep 2003 (PDT)

I really like all the Peru content, but I'm having trouble with all the "(department)" article names. Are these needed? According to the naming conventions these geograpical units should be used to distinguish two places with the same name (ie New York the city and New York the state). Is there really more than one of all of these? Or is the department always named after the capital? And if that wasn't enough, wouldn't having (Peru) help too? I'm actually going to open a big can of worms about this one the naming conventions page, but I thought I'd poke at a real example first. (WT-en) Majnoona

Wikivoyage is great! I just added some of my own experiences from Peru last year. However, I strongly disagree with the contention that you will get diarrhoea unless you stay at expensive hotels and be careful about what you eat. This is very different for different parts of the country. In Huaraz, we lived fairly inexpensively, but it was very nice and clean. We used to eat at quite expensive restaurants, yet, we all got diarrhoea, and I got it bad (I did some really serious shitting at 6000 meters... :-) ). We spent some time in Cusco before we went to Huaraz, lived at some inexpensive but very clean and nice youth hostels, and ate at inexpensive restaurants. I returned to Cusco after Huaraz, alone, and 12 hours after returning to Cusco, my stomach was again well. In Cusco, I had no problems eating anything, please see my Cusco and Pisac edits. I'd buy food from kids on the streets, I'd sit down with the locals to have lunch, I'd buy bread through the train windows. That worked absolutely great for me. In the sunday market at Pisac, it became evident why this worked: in the pile of tomatoes, you bet there weren't one single bad one. Really, I've travelled a lot, but I have never seen anything of that quality anywhere else in the world. I'm not logged in. My name is Kjetil Kjernsmo, I'm Norwegian.

 * Great, the first one who begins to discus the travel related stuff on the Peru pages. Hi, Kjetil, I like your addings to the Cuzco page and the new Pisac page. Concerning the diarrhoea, I just wanted to say that you should reckon with getting it when travelling Peru. Of course, eating food sold on the street may work quite well, if you are lucky. But sometimes, when seeing sellers cleaning their food in the gutter, you could get some kind of bad feeling, anyway. At the other hand, you don't know what happens in the kitchen of a restaurant, either. So, feel free to change my text in order to find a better way to express the hygienical standards. -- (WT-en) Hansm 01:09, 2003 Nov 11 (PST)

 * Yup, thanks for the response! There are obviously always some things you can do that are stupid, and obviously, you can get it rather bad here and there. I'll try to think of some alternative formulation! -- (WT-en) Kjetil

http://home.freiepresse.de/uwdel/peru.htm Information and experiences about a backpacker holiday of a German guy

Moved from article here to be mined for additional information. -- (WT-en) Nils 08:49, 15 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Peru
Anyone object to the deletion of this section and all its contents?

As a tourism advisor for the region, I know that having a list of reputable tour operators would help travelers escape the many scam sites out there. --(WT-en) Renee

 * Tour operators should only be listed in the city where they are based. And only certain types of tour operators are allowed to be listed per our policy on tours. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:51, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Thank you, Peter. However, in the policy on tours that you mention above, Wikivoyage specifically mentions the Amazon(aka Peru) as an area that is recommended to list travel tours due to the danger there. I do not read into it that it should be listed in the city.

 * I would like to add the tour guide list back to this article. Please understand that I am new to Wikivoyage, and I am trying very hard to format everything correctly. None the less, I feel strongly that most travelers should consider using a reputable tour organization when visiting this part of the world. --(WT-en) Renee

 * I don't think that there is any issue with listing a tour operator that meets the tour guidelines in an article for a place that they offer a tour (provided listings are limited - don't add dozens of listings to different articles), but putting that listing it in the country article seems inappropriate. For example, there are tons of tour operators that will take you through Gates of the Arctic National Park in Alaska, but listing those operators in either the Alaska or United States of America articles would be wrong.  In this case, if a tour operator is offering a tour to a specific region of the Amazon, list the operator in the article for that region, NOT for the entire Peru article. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:04, 31 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Good Point, Ryan. Tour operators should be listed only in the most relevant article.--(WT-en) Renee

Section "Tourist Information and Assistance Service"

 * I add this section because its and official service for tourist, provided by Promperu and INDECOPI, that are the peruvian goverment officies that gives information about Peru and consumer's protection offices. Iperu is a free and not profitable services.

 * Agregué esta sección sobre Iperú, el servicio de información y asistencia al turista porque es un servicio gratuito, confiable y actualizado que el gobierno peruano, a través de PromPerú e INDECOPI (oficinas de promoción del Perú y de Protección al consumidor respectivamente) brinda a los turistas nacionales y extranjeros con el fin de otorgar toda la información requerida para planificar su viaje al Perú y obtener asistencia en caso de problemas o inconformidad con los servicios brindados por las empresas en el Perú. Es necesario puesto que es una gran ayuda para turistas extranjeros que deseen venir al Perú.

Edwin Villacorta - Iquitos, Perú.

Phone
Just got back from my honeymoon in Peru, absolutely wonderful place. I had found that the payphones were extremely expensive, and that going to a locutorio was the best idea -- the prices were much better. You might want to rephrase my poor text ;)

Regions
The majority of Peru's departments make no sense as travel regions—many of them cover several areas wholly different from each other in terms of culture, topography, climate, vegetation, etc. I therefore split several of the departments across the top-level regions for the country. I would advise against any further subdivisions based on strict administrative department boundaries—we should take time to make sure further subdivisions make sense, and do not muddle the hierarchical organization. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:51, 2 February 2009 (EST)

-- In my opinion it would make more sense to divide by official department rather than unofficial regions. There has been virtually no work done on the unofficial region pages and I think thats probably due to the confusion as to were the borders of these regions lie. Also, using the official departments makes it much easier when using wikivoyage in conjuction with other guides or maps. I think we need to change this.

Unofficial Regions;

Central Coast, Southern Coast, Northern Coast, Southern Sierra, Central Sierra, Northern Sierra, Altiplano, San Martín, Peruvian Amazon, Madre de Dios,

Official Departments;

Amazonas, Ancash, Apurimac, Arequipa, Ayacucho, Cajamarca, Cusco, Huancavelica, Huanuco, Ica, Junin, La Libertad, Lambayeque, Lima, Loreto, Madre de Dios, Moquegua, Pasco, Piura, Puno, San Martin, Tacna, Tumbes, Ucayali,

--(WT-en) Harley Talk 10:01, 13 April 2011 (EST)

 * Well, the map shows clearly where the boundaries fall, and the official departments are grouped within the unofficial regions because we don't want to have a giant list of links for 24 regions from the main Peru page. (WT-en) texugo 11:50, 13 April 2011 (EDT)

I don't agree at all, theres nothing clear about it and the official departments don't seem to be grouped within the unofficial regions.

Central Coast = Lima. Southern Coast = Ica, some of Arequipa, some of Moquegua and some of Tacna. Northern Coast = Tumbes, Piura, Lambayeque, some of La Libertad, some of Ancash. Southern Sierra = Cusco, Apurimac, Ayacucho, Junin and Huancavelica. Central Sierra = Huanuco and Pasco. Northern Sierra = Cajamarca and some of La Libertad. Altiplano = Puno, some of Cusco, some of Arequipa, some of Moquegua and some of Tacna. San Martín = San Martin. Peruvian Amazon = Amazonas, Loreto, Ucayali. Madre de Dios = Madre de Dios and maybe some of Cusco.

My point is we could make a south america page where we forget about the borders of all the countries and divide it into regions that we deem fit, for example; desert, mountains, jungle but that might be very confusing for people reading the page. I think we should stick to official regions rather than inventing our own.

--(WT-en) Harley Talk 15:57, 13 April 2011

 * The difference is that countries have different entrance requirements, currencies, electricity, etc. That's not usually true for sub-country-level administrative regions.  And 24 is far too many to list.  Could you suggest a way to group the departments that makes more sense?  (WT-en) LtPowers 19:49, 13 April 2011 (EDT)

 * Looking at what has been done for other countries (eg Brazil, USA), a few states or departments have been grouped together to form a larger region, this is one option. Showing the department borders on the existing map is perhaps another option. One advantage of the existing system is that it is remarkably similar to that used by the Lonely Planet. Other systems seem to rely heavily on altitude which wouldn't help us a lot. I can see its a tough one as the different departments and ecological areas don't correspond. This map - http://www.borrones.net/graficos/mapa1.jpg shows department borders and different ecological areas. It is difficult. Looking at the different options I'd suggest doing what has been done for other countries and group several departments together to form larger areas. The current system doesn't seem to use ecological areas or political boundries, basically the only system it seems to have any real similarities to is that which is used by the Lonely Planet.

--(WT-en) Harley Talk 23:02, 13 April 2011

Health
I don't know where you guys get that "there is a *very high risk* to be infected by AIDS and other sexual diseases". The risk is as high (or would I say "normal") as in any other latinamerican country. --(WT-en) David Talk 08:26, 30 February 2009 (EST)

"Do not drink water from the faucet or wash your teeth with it".... and other paranoia...... You can brush your teeth with the tap water and rinse your mouth with it. "Water from the faucet is made drinkable by boiling it during 5 minutes"............ boiling water in a kettle is sufficient, you don't need to boil it for five minutes unless your really paranoid...... I'm going to go ahead and change this --(WT-en) Harley Talk 20:08, 17 April 2011 (EST)

Lead picture
I don't understand why is the Misti volcano the main picture. I have been living in Peru for some years and most Peruvians don't identify themselves with it. It is actually taken as symbol by the city of Arequipa; people from this city always joke about them being different from the rest of Peru and even about getting to be an independent state (as silly as it can sound). So, could someone explain why is THAT picture the first picture one sees when opening the Peru page? (WT-en) Ana.r 05:24, 26 May 2012 (EDT)
 * Feel free to propose a more iconic image. (WT-en) LtPowers 10:58, 26 May 2012 (EDT)

Where to local/Spanish phrases belong?
There are a few slang words listed under Peru, which isn't the proper use of that section.

Since some of the phrases are in indigenous languages, not just Spanish, where should they go? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 02:00, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

 * "Talk" would probably be the most logical place. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:05, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Canadians stranded in Cusco due to COVID-19
I see in the papers (https://calgaryherald.com/news/former-calgarian-stranded-in-peru-with-no-certainty-of-flight-home/) that hundreds of Canadians are stranded in Cusco, Peru, and I would like to add this information on this page. How does one do this? Thanks n advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 00:12, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

 * Just summarize the story, but I think that would be in the Cuzco article, and I'm not sure what the right section is. Stay safe? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:22, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * What would be added? It's not just Canadians there, and I don't think they'll be looking to Wikivoyage for information about their situation, but to the embassies in Lima. Wikivoyage isn't a newspaper or an encyclopedia. Ground Zero (talk) 00:25, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

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Remove warning?
Does anyone object if I remove the warning on this page? It's stale as moldy week-old bread. The protests over Pedro Castillo's impeachment happened a year ago... Mrkstvns (talk) 16:39, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Please do. Ground Zero (talk) 16:49, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Regions discussion (2024)
The previous regions discussion for Peru didn't seem to go very far. User:AnniAriel has proposed an alternative, based on physiographic regions. Which map makes most sense for travellers? Ground Zero (talk) 13:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

The descriptions of the natural regions can be found here. Ground Zero (talk) 13:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Just in case and if it might help: Pulgar Vidal, Javier (1987). Geografía del Perú [Geography of Peru (9th ed.)] (in Spanish). PEISA. ISBN 84-599-6883-9. AnniAriel (talk) 13:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

 * Thanks for providing the maps. I don't know enough about Peru to have an opinion on this question, but I'd ask you a question: Are natural divisions always the most useful ones for travelers, or might political or demographic (ethnic, urban/rural) divisions be more useful sometimes? Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:39, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I think it would be very difficult to plan a trip using these regions. The current regions organize our city and town articles in a way that travellers can plan to travel from the yo another. In the promised regions, Suni region, in particular, is spread out across the country. It likely does not have any cities or towns for which we have articles. Ground Zero (talk) 17:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * If that's the problem, I can start them. Just give me a little bit of time. AnniAriel (talk) 02:06, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * However, it's important that travellers know about them because of weather, roads, and cities characteristics in each one of them. Could it be possible to add this region information like a plus instead of erasing it?. AnniAriel (talk) 01:59, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Weather, roads and so forth can be covered in city and existing region articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * To me, Sr. Pulgar Vidal's natural regions belong in the Wikipedia article. I don't think that they are useful for travellers. Ground Zero (talk) 02:21, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * And, in fact, they are in Geography of Peru. Ground Zero (talk) 02:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * True, however if travelers know the specifics details of each region, they are somehow able to optimize their itineraries and prepare adequately, regarding clothes, transport, housing among others. They can also know about the different activities presented in each one of the regions in general. I get when you said some of this information can be covered in cities articles - however, some of these articles are very poor on information, and some other, didn't exist at all. Same thing with the region articles. AnniAriel (talk) 02:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Lack of information can be remedied by adding it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I think I prefer the current regions simply due to the complexity of the proposed natural regions. Having that many enclaves and exclaves in our region structure isn't a good idea. SHB2000  (t | c | m) 11:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

I have added information to the region articles that I have collected from other language versions of Wikivoyage and from Wikipedia. Can you add other information to make these articles better? Ground Zero (talk) 11:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

 * Especially as the physiographic regions span several of our regions, I think it would be good to have some of the information on them in a subsection Climate (in Understand) of the country article. At present, that section is missing. –LPfi (talk) 05:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I have added a high-level summary adapted from Wikipedia. I think that any more detail should go into the region articles. Ground Zero (talk) 10:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. –LPfi (talk) 05:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So the main article will not have the Geography section, I understand, even though other countries do have it. Is there any article on Peruvian Geography? I want to add a list of the national parks or natural reserves we have here. I was planning to do it in the Peru article, but I don't want anyone to erase the information because it's not the right place or one person believes it's not essential data for travelers, even though there are other articles with the same information here. Additionally, it's not easy to write an article for the wiki (considering time, sources, style, etc.). Let me know. Thanks. AnniAriel (talk) 16:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Information about national parks could only be summarized in an article for an entire country. If a park merits its own article and doesn't have one, please start one and use the Park article template. If you'd like to create an overall article about the national parks and reserves in Peru, that could also be a fine idea. There are various preexisting "National parks of (name of country)" articles. If any still have too many images and unnecessary blank space, don't emulate that but instead have a look at Image policy, but otherwise, please plunge forward with my blessing if you've got good information to share.
 * I didn't forget your question about geography. I'm struggling to see how an entire article about Peruvian geography would be a travel article. I think a brief subsection on geography in this article would be fine, as long as it's easy for anyone to understand and doesn't contain any jargon, or it could also be covered along with climate and/or regions. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind response. My idea was not to include a lot of information about geography, but to add a bit more since there were only two lines about the relief. Anyway, I will add the information about the national parks in the main article about Peru. Please be so kind as to check it out and let me know if there are any changes to make before erasing it. Thanks in advance. AnniAriel (talk) 18:10, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I understand that you are upset that your original edits to the Peru article were erased, but I ask that you try to understand two things:
 * 1. as I wrote on your talk page, your edit changed the region structure without any discussion. This meant that readers would no longer be able to navigate to find articles about cities, towns and parks in Peru by clicking in links, other than the top 9 cities and top 9 other destinations.
 * 2. I think that the information you added was too detailed for a travel guide. I would be useful to have a summary of the important points about the geography or Peru, without having the same level of detail that is in Geography of Peru.
 * An article on the National parks and natural reserves of Peru would be a useful addition to this travel guide. I would be happy to help with the formatting of such an article. Ground Zero (talk) 21:38, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

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For Drink, please note Dempseys Pub, Lunabar Ferrari, and Contrapunto for popular nightlife. Also note Cafe Morlacchi for coffee and chocolate

 * If more listings are needed, don't note them here, just add them. See Project:Listings for appropriate format. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 18:12, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

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I have written this page as a test page and would like to cancel, but I don't know how. :-(

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Talk:Pescadores

Uh, the article is "Pescadores" but the content refers to "Penghu" -- are these the same or different or what? (WT-en) Majnoona 11:48, 18 Feb 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Peshawar

Removing parts of University of Peshawar description, it reads like an advertisement.

At present the University comprises of six faculties with 40 postgraduate departments, four centers, two centers of excellence, four colleges and three high schools. Student population on campus is over twenty thousand. The male-female ratio of student is 60:40. Current Ph.D enrolment is 162 and M.Phil 416; this includes 171 female aspirants.

The existing faculty of 84 Professors, 69 Associate Professors, 129 Assistant Professors and 213 Lecturers, has 170 Ph.Ds and 215 M.Phils. We are sending our teachers abroad on various programmes. A large number of national / international seminars and conferences are organized. Special emphasis is given to sports, co and extra curricular activities. The University enjoys a good reputation and our graduates are contributing immensely both at home and abroad.

(WT-en) midnightreport 04:47, 13 June 2010 (EDT)

Learn
The entire Learn section (misnamed "Education") reads like an advert and contains not a single course for the traveller. I'm moving it here below. (WT-en) texugo 02:36, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

Universities

 * Abasyn University (www.abasyn.edu.pk)

Abasyn University was chartered on December 1, 2007 by the Provincial Government. Abasyn University was the first University in N-W.F.P to achieve highest Category "A". All its programs are fully recognized by Higher Education Commission, Pakistan.

 * University of Peshawar (http://www.upesh.edu.pk)

The University is comprised of six faculties with forty academic departments. Student population on campus is over twenty thousand.

 * IM Sciences (Institute of Management Sciences)

The Institute of Management Sciences (IMSciences) is the foremost management school of the NWFP, and increasingly its recognition has been extending beyond the Frontier. As a public sector Institute it is markedly different from others because it is fully autonomous and self governing. This enables it to respond quickly to all new developments in the world of academia and meet the requirements of employers. IMSciences operates with a view to foster growth in students’ know how and professional skills and enable them to remain competitive in a tight labor market.

Today IMSciences offers degree programmes for business administration, management, information technology and public health. These are all similarly tied knowledge bases that help create synergy and foster the cross fertilization of knowledge. The current position of the IMSciences as a forerunner in education provision has come about as a unique case of self sustained development. This was made possible by a dedicated staff that had the creativity to grow beyond the narrow confines of state provided education. Most of the universities in Pakistan have been in stasis for decades now, but the IMSciences has been one of the few examples of successful growth in academia, one that has become a benchmark of quality for others.

 * '''Agriculture University Peshawar, (http://www.aup.edu.pk)

Since its establishment in 1981, this University has been playing a vital role in imparting Agricultural Education and conducting basic and applied agricultural research throughout the Province, and disseminating the results of agricultural research among the farmers and general public through its outreach/public service activities.

 * Khyber Medical University

Khyber Medical University is a pioneer institution in N.W.F.P in medical education and has created name for itself at national and international level by dedicated work of its staff and students. In fact, it can be proudly called as the mother institution for rest of the medical and dental colleges and other allied medical institution established in N.W.F.P over the past twenty five years.Today, Khyber Medical College enrolls 250 students yearly, and our graduates, numbering over 8000, are providing health care, not only in N.W.F.P and FATA, but also in rest of the country. In addition, our graduates are holding key positions both at home and abroad. Beside undergraduate medical education, the college offers teaching and research facilities to the postgraduate students, i.e. M.Phil, in all basic Medical Sciences, FCPS in Clinical as well as basic medical sciences, and minor diplomas in many specialties. The college is affiliated with Peshawar University and is recognized by PMDC. General Medical Council of UK, Ireland and licensing authority of USA. Khyber Teaching Hospital, established in 1976, in attached to the college for teaching/training purposes. It is a 1200-bedded hospital, which maintains high standards with competent medical staff and sophisticated equipments.

For over thirteen years Gandhara university has played a major role in education and training in North West Fronteir province of Pakistan. Founded in 1995 to train doctors, other colleges were later established to develop the institution into a University. Today Gandhara University has schools of Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Nursing and healthcare management.
 * Gandhara University (www.gandhara.edu.pk)

In addition to Undergraduate education Gandhara University delivers postgraduate training an education through its Faculties of Public Health, Dentistry and the school of Postgraduate Studies. The Research Institute is one of Pakistan’s foremost research centres.

Islamia College is an educational institution located in the city of Peshawar of the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP), Pakistan. It was founded in October 1913 by Nawab Sir Sahibzada Abdul Qayyum and Sir George Roos-Keppel. The college educates its students in arts, humanities and modern sciences. It was a constituent college of the University of Peshawar but in the year 2008 it was given the status of University and is now known as "Islamia College University" with Professor Muhammad Ajmal Khan as its first vice chancellor and Professor Dr A.Rashid Farooqi as its patron.
 * Islamia College University

Being one of the leading institutions in the country, the University has been enjoying the prestige of providing high quality agricultural education and research to its students.

 * City University (http://www.cityuniversity.edu.pk)

City university of Science & Information Technology, Peshawar is one of the first private-sector universities, chartered by the Govt. of N-W.F.P, recognized by the Higher Education Commission (HEC) and the only university in Pakistan which has been accredited by the British Accreditation Council, UK. It is an extension of Peshawar Model Educational Institutes (PMEI), founded in 1979 with an aim to impart quality education at an affordable cost. Initially, only a primary school was established, comprising just one moderate campus with 300 students. But, in due course of time, the continuous efforts of our highly qualified faculty and dedicated management paid off and resulted in the establishment of eight separate school campuses, one degree college campus for boys and one degree college campus for girls, with a combined strength of over 14,000 students. Recognizing the extraordinary reputation of PMEI in providing quality education from primary to bachelor level, the Government of N-W.F.P granted the charter of City University of Science and Information Technology on August 30, 2001. By the grace of Allah, PMEI is now providing the facility of education from primary to postgraduate levels under one umbrella. The first batch of 89 graduates were awarded degrees and medals in MCS, MBA, M.Ed, B.Ed, and MA (Egnlish) during the First Convocation on 8th April, 2004 by the then Governor NWFP, Lt. Gen. (R) Syed Iftikhar Hussain Shah. Since then the convocations are being held with regularity. During the Second Convocation held on 24th November, 2005, 175 successful graduates of BCS, BSE, BBIT, B.Ed, M.Ed, MCS, MBIT, MBA (B&F), Ex-MBA and MA (English) were conferred degrees by the then Governor NWFP, Mr. Khalil-ur-Rehman. Ten gold medals and distinction certificates were also awarded to the outstanding graduates. The third convocation was held on November 30, 2006. 174 graduates of BCS, BSE, BBIT, B.Ed, M.Ed, MCS, MBIT, Ex-MBA, MBA,MBA (B&F) and MA (English) were conferred degrees, medals and certificates by the Governor N-W.F.P Lt. Gen(R) Ali Muhammad Jan Aurakzai. These results are indicative of a steady progress made by the university. Work on building the new campus has been started on the newly acquired land at Dalazak Road, Peshawar. First building of 100,000 sq. ft. covered area will be completed by end of 2007. The Foundation-Stone laying ceremony was performed by honourable Mr. Khalil-ur-Rehman, the then Governor N-W.F.P. This remarkable success story reflects the persevered efforts of the management and staff members. It is a great achievement for both the management and the staff of PMEI.

 * '''National University of Computer & Emerging Sciences (FAST) )

The Peshawar campus was established in 2001. It is housed in an impressive building, which has an architectural design similar to that of the Lahore and Karachi campuses. The green, well maintained lawns that surround the building add to the scenic beauty of the whole setup. The Campus covers an area of 4 acres and is in the Industrial Estate, Hayatabad. The satellite town of Hayatabad flanks it, which is an ideal place for students to find residence in privately run hostels. The historic Khyber Pass is within an hours drive from the Campus.

The campus has facilities for co-curricular activities. There are courts for volley ball, basketball and badminton. In addition, there are arrangements for playing indoor games and separate air-conditioned cafeterias for the male and female students. The students have a number of societies/clubs where they can learn and exhibit their talents.

 * '''Iqra University, Peshawar (http://www.iqrapsh.edu.pk)

The Peshawar campus of IQRA university is the pioneer of IT education in NWFP, and remains to this day the principal institution extending the frontiers of IT in the province. This is being done in several ways. The Peshawar campus is unique in the wide diversity of its student body. Students are drawn not only from amongst fresh graduates and post intermediate levels, but also from amongst a wide variety of working professionals, including senior engineers, doctors, defense forces personnel, teachers, bankers, and other groups of professional managers. IQRA university is active not only in teaching and implementing software, but also in its development.The campus consists of well-furnished, air-conditioned classrooms, equipped with latest audio visual aids, a spacious information Resource center, and state-of-the-art computer labs, which provide a custom built infrastructure to achieve the mission and objectives of IQRA university.

CECOS Educational Institutions have been sources of continuous support to more than twelve thousand students for developing their careers, especially in Business Management, Computer Sciences and Information Technology since 1986.
 * CECOS University

The story of genesis of this University and its evolution through various stages, started in the year 1986, Engr. Muhammad Tanveer Javed established in Peshawar Saddar a small private sector institution - CECOS Data Institute with only five computers and a very few students. CDI than designed a One year diploma course in Computer Science and got it approved from Board of Technical Education (B.T.E) for implementation in NWFP. Later this institute got affiliated to Peshawar University becoming the premier college to offer post graduate courses in computer science and University of London for certain computer courses. Today, AlhamdoLillah, it has on its role over one thousand students.

Besides these in-land institutions, CECOS also moved to open the CECOS London College of Information Technology and Management in 1998, registered under UK rules, to facilitate credit transfer of our students to American and European Universities and to market software developed by us and conduct split degree programs. CECOS-London College is fully accredited and affiliated to world prestigious bodies like City & Guilds London, Institute of Management for Information Systems UK, London Chamber of Commerce and Industry, ACCA (UK) and British Computer Society to conduct diploma, advanced diploma and graduate diploma in IT, MIS and Business studies. These diplomas are equivalent to first year, second year and third year degree programs of most of the UK Universities with full credit transfer. All the courses of CECOS London college are fully accredited by British Accreditation Council (BAC, UK). Another landmark was achieved in the year 2001 when CECOS IT Park Project was opened with the aim to provide live facility to the students for the development of software and to capture the huge International software market.

Finally, the dawn of a new era began when Government of NWFP after realising the dedicated and zealous efforts of CECOS Educational Institutions in imparting quality & professional education, granted charter for University under the name & style of CECOS University of Information Technology & Emerging Sciences. This charter was promulgated vide Ordinance No. XXI of 2001. The University is recognised by Higher Education Commission (formerly known as University Grants Commission - UGC), Govt. of Pakistan. CECOS University has also received accreditation from International Universities Accrediting Association, USA.

Preston University, was established as School of Business and Commerce in 1984 to foster academic excellence. Preston University is seriously committed to improving the quality of higher education in Pakistan. The university is managed by a group of dedicated professionals and academicians who have committed their lives to the cause of higher education in Pakistan. Since its inception in 1984, Preston Network has imparted knowledge and skills to thousands of individuals through many teaching programs. The experience at this University has played an important role in the professional and personal development of our students. Preston University will continue to fulfill its responsibilities to the society by creating and providing facilities for personal and professional growth of individuals who wish to make a career in the fields of business, technology, natural and social sciences, humanities, and arts.
 * Preston University

Colleges & Schools
Islamia College is an educational institution located in the city of Peshawar of the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP), Pakistan. It was founded in October 1913 by Nawab Sir Sahibzada Abdul Qayyum and Sir George Roos-Keppel. The college educates its students in arts, humanities and modern sciences. It was a constituent college of the University of Peshawar but in the year 2008 it was given the status of University and is now known as "Islamia College University" with Professor Muhammad Ajmal Khan as its first vice chancellor and Professor Dr A.Rashid Farooqi as its patron.
 * Islamia College

 * Agricultural University Public School & College for Boys          (091-9218130)

 * Agricultural University Public School & College for Girls          (091-9216538)

 * Edwards College

 * PAF Degree College

 * Army Public College

 * Jinnah College for women'''

 * College of Home Economics

 * Peshawar Model School and College

 * St. Mary's High School
 * Peshawar Public School and College

Several other public and private sector school, colleges and universities are operating all across the city and surrounding areas.

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