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I deleted the listing for "Private Party on a Private Island" because the webpage says it is no longer available. Hope this is okay :-)

 * Of course, that's what Wikivoyage is designed for! --(WT-en) globe-trotter 23:36, 27 November 2010 (EST)

And I removed the one for "Clublime" under "Drink" because it was very obviously an ad from owner/employee. Requires re-write.

TAT Listings
Moved TAT Sleep listings that cluttered the page here:

 * Baan Nerbert Beach Apartment (บ้านนอร์เบิร์ด บีช อพาร์ทเมนท์) 239 Phrabarami Road, Hat Patong, Amphoe Krathu (Tel: 076340454) 5 rooms: 700-3,000 baht
 * Villa Atchara (วิลล่า อัจฉรา) 4 Soi Phrabarami 4, Tambon Patong (Tel: 0 7634 0700, 0 7634 0353), 19 rooms: 2,200-3,500 baht
 * Le Tong Beach (เล ตอง บีช) 1 Soi Phrabarami 4, Tambon Patong (Tel: 0 7634 2710, 0 7634 2467 Bangkok Tel: 0 2539 7345 www.letong.com), 29 rooms: 800-1,800 baht
 * Malibu Island Club Hotel (มาลิบู ไอร์แลนด์ คลับ โฮเต็ล) 2 Soi Phrabarami 7, Phrabarami Road Tambon Patong (Tel: 0 7634 2321, 0 7629 0036), 30 rooms: 900-3,500 baht
 * Nerntong Resort (เนินตอง รีสอร์ท) 6 Soi Phrabarami 7, Tambon Patong, Amphoe Krathu (Tel: 0 7634 0571-2), 30 rooms: 1,800-2,300 baht

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 21:57, 15 February 2010 (EST)

Airport buses
This text was just added to the article, and I'm moving it here instead of deleting it per don't tout because it contains some very useful information, if anyone would like to extract the factual core and create listings that have just facts with no first person language, history or sales pitch:

We launched the Airport Bus Express to Patong several years ago and later slowly expanded our service to include Kata and Karon. The fare to Patong is currently B150 and to Kata and Karon is B200. Tickets can be bought from the driver. The first bus will be outside the old main passenger terminal at Phuket International Airport at about 7:30am so we can serve passengers arriving on the early flights. The bus will be parked at our bus stop at the northern end of the terminal. Just follow the signs; as you exit the terminal, turn left and walk to the end of the building – our bus will be there. Our buses are cream-coloured with blue stripes. There is another bus service called “Airport Bus” that uses orange buses. These buses go to Phuket Town. If you take this bus, you will need to catch another bus in Phuket Town to take you to Patong. Please note that the bus will depart once it is full. Don’t worry, though, as we have buses departing Phuket Airport every hour. If you are in a hurry, it may be best to take a taxi from the airport. We advise the same to people who are carrying a lot of luggage with them. If there are not enough passengers to justify using our full-size bus, we will use a minivan instead. We have three minivans that we use during the “low season” (May-October) to help reduce the cost of fuel for buses. The first bus will leave the airport at about 8am and last bus departs at 8pm. When you get on the bus, you must tell the driver where your hotel is. The driver will drop you off at your hotel if possible. However, if your hotel is on a steep hill that our bus will not be able to climb, we will ask you to travel in one of our minivans for convenience and safety. Don’t worry, the fare is the same. Passengers can get off the bus (or minivan) at several locations en route to Patong, Kata and Karon. However, the bus or van will not pick up any passengers en route. The drop-off locations include Phuket International Airport, Muangmai, Thalang, Heroines Monument, Boat Lagoon, Tesco (bypass road), the See Kor Intersection (near the Caltex petrol station) in Kathu, and at Jungceylon in Patong (bus stops on Phang Muang Sai Kor Rd). In Patong, we use Jungceylon as our main “terminal” for buses returning to Phuket Airport. If you want to use our service from Kata or Karon, please call us and we will pick you up. Likewise, if you are staying in Patong, just call us and we will pick you up if we can. Unfortunately, our website is no longer operating and our company currently does not have a contact email address, so it is best to contact us directly for the latest information. For more details or to book tickets in advance, or call us at 076-328291 or 084-0652122. Our main office is near the Bangkok Bank branch on Phang Muang Sai Kor Rd in Patong, near Nanai Soi 8, but many foreigners have trouble finding our office, so I strongly recommend you just call us. Phuket Airport bus still running to Patong

Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:25, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

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Place name
Is this place called Patra, or Patras? The article uses both names, apparently interchangably. The article also refers to a Wikipedia article spelt Patras. The map of Greece shows Patrai - is this the same place? What is the most common English name? -- (WT-en) Huttite 20:04, 22 Jul 2005 (EDT)

I come from Patra. This is a problem for us too, when we are talking with foreigners or have to fill in legal papers in English. The name of the city as we pronounce it in Greek, is Patra. Patrai is the ancient greek name. When I was learning English, I was taught to call my city, Patras (for the English name). In my passport is written as Patra (both in Greek and in English). It is confusing but it seems that all these different spellings apply. Probably more official name in English is Patras. Magda 22:25, 1 April 2006 87.202.55.189

Πάτρα (Patra) in greek, "Patras" in english, "Patrasso" in italian. 13:38, 6 March 2011 94.68.63.245

 * I don't understand why no-one fixed this before. Is there any good reason not to move this to Patras? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:13, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm going to move this as soon as possible if no-one has any objection. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:12, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This is an awkward one. Patra seems to be a better anglicization of the Greek, but not the one that is used in English, so I guess we should go with Patras, the English corruption of the name. Ground Zero (talk) 02:20, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Or you could give it another five years to see if there are any more opinions. ;-) Ground Zero (talk) 02:21, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Done! I will probably need help with pages that link to Patra, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:37, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Not really. I took care of all the destination articles, etc. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:47, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

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I moved the cluttering TAT Listings from Pattani (province) to Talk:Pattani/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 18:57, 5 February 2010 (EST)

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There seems to have been some confusion in the article Pattani on whether it refers to the entire province or only the city. I moved (and edited) some of the information in the other article to this one, in an attempt to clarify the difference between province and city. Of course this article needs a lot more work and is still only a tiny stub. --(WT-en) Sterio 07:58, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

 * We've been removing the Province articles, because there are not enough articles to fill them yet (and probably never will). So it'd be better if this information would somehow be incorporated in the Pattani city article. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 08:37, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

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Amphoe Mueang
Somdet Phra Srinagarindra Park (สวนสมเด็จพระศรีนครินทร์) Located at Tambon Rusamilae, Amphoe Mueang, about one kilometre from town, this public park is on the left side of the Pattani River, next to the Songkhla Nakharin University. The Park is decorated with many flowers and a very beautiful landscape. Kallayaniwatthana Institute of Arts and Culture (สถาบันวัฒนธรรมศึกษากัลยาณิวัฒนา) Located in Songkhla Nakharin University, Pattani Campus, the institute is divided into two sections:

 * 1) Phra Thepyanmoli (พิพิธภัณฑ์พระเทพญาณโมลี) Museum displays the history, activities, and utensils of Phra Thepyanmoli.  Besides, there are Buddha images, ancient materials, and Chinese, European and Thai pottery, souvenir coins, and bank notes, etc.
 * 2) Khatichon Witthaya Museum (พิพิธภัณฑ์คติชนวิทยา) displays the stories, case studies of the Muslim household in the Southern border provinces, local utensils, local arts and displays, ancient utensil materials in pre-historic and the beginning of community periods, history of the ancient town of Yarang, pottery, local beliefs and technology.

This centre is open on Mondays - Fridays during 9 a.m. - 11:30 a.m. and 1 p.m.-4 p.m. except public holidays, free of charge. For groups or in case of guide needed, can contact in advance at the Education Service Unit, Kallayani Wattana Institute of Arts and Culture, Songkhla Nakharin University, Pattani Campus, Amphoe Mueang, Pattani Province 94000, Tel: 0 7331 3930 -50 ext. 1472, 1473, 1476 and 0 7333 1250, Fax: 0 7333 1250. Pattani Central Mosque (มัสยิดกลางปัตตานี) Located on Yarang Road on Yarang - Pattani route in Pattani Mucipality, this is the most beautiful and largest mosques in Thailand. Built in 1954, the construction of this mosque took almost nine years. It is the centre for religious ceremonies to be performed by the Muslims in the South. The architecture is western, with similarity to theTaj Mahal of India. With the big dome in the centre, there are four surrounding small ones with two finerets. A big pond is in front of the mosque and inside is a large hall and two sided corridors. City Pillar Shrine (ศาลหลักเมือง) Situated in Sak Seni ground of Banchama Rachutit School, just opposite to the City Hall, on the left bak of Pattani River, the shrine was constructed on 13 April 1951 when Phraya Rattana Phakdi was the Governor. This site is mostly worshipped by the Pattani people and visitors. Krue Se Mosque (มัสยิดกรือเซะ) This mosque is on highway no.42 (Pattani - Narathiwat route) at Ban Krue Se, and is about 7 kilometres from the Pattani town. At present, this ancient venue is near Chao Mae Lim Ko Niao Chinese Shrine. Both places had their legend of the relationship depending on the beliefs. This mosque has round pillars which is the middle-east arts style. The most important part is the dome’s roof which has never been finished. It has been assured that this mosque was built during the reign of King Naresuan the Great (1578 - 1593). Chao Mae Lim Ko Niao Graveyard (สุสานเจ้าแม่ลิ้มกอเหนี่ยว) Situated at Ban Krue Se, Tambon Tanyong Lulo, Amphoe Mueang on highway no.42 (Pattani - Narathiwat route), near Krue Se Mosque. As per the story from the legend, Lim Ko Niao, a Chinese girl came to Siam by ship to look for Lim To Khiam, her elder brother who had got married with Pattani Governor’s daughter and had changed his religion to Islam. However, she was not successful. Therefore, she hung herself on the cashew nut tree. Her brother buried her at this place. The Pattani people built the shrine to commemorate her and carved the tree where she hung herself in the shape of her figure. Chao Mae Lim Ko Niao Chinese Shrine or Leng Chu Kiang Shrine (ศาลเจ้าแม่ลิ้มกอเหนี่ยวหรือศาลเจ้าเล่งจูเกียง) The location of Chao Mae Lim Ko Niao sculpture and Chinese gods is on A No Ru road. On the day of the 3rd lunar month every year, there is the colorful procession carrying Chao Mae’s sculpture along several roads in town, walking on fire in front of the shrine, and swimming across the river near Dechanuchit Bridge. The city welcomes numerous worshippers every year.

Amphoe Yaring
Hat Talo-kapo Beach (หาดตะโละกาโปร์) This beach is about 18 kilometres from Pattani town. The way to get to the beach is to go along highway no.42 (Pattani - Narathiwat route, turn left at Amphoe Yaring, cross Yamu canal and pass the forest area and villages. With its long white sand, line of pines and coconut trees, this beach is one of the most popular ones in Pattani.  There are many Kolae boats with their unique colorful characteristics of the southern fishermen.  This beach is extended due to the current of sea move sand in.  This venue is most suitable for relaxation and view watching. Laem Ta Chi or Laem Pho (แหลมตาชี หรือ แหลมโพธิ์) This is another white-sand beach extended from Talo-kapo Beach.  It has been the accumulation of sand spit into the Gulf of Thailand on the north.  At the end of the beach is an open area with wider view, best for sight-seeing.  There are two routes to Laem Ta Chi: by boat from the mouth of Pattani River to Laem Ta Chi which will take about more than an hour, or from the pier in Yaring, go along Yamu Canal, out of sea, to Laem Ta Chi. The most preferable way is by car, from Yaring, cross Yamu Canal for about 10 kilometre to the tip of Laem Ta Chi. Dato Mosque (มัสยิดบ้านดาโต๊ะ) Located at Mu  4, Ban Dato, Tambon Laem Pho, it is about ten kilometres from Yaring District Hall on the same route to Talo-kapo Beach. This old Mosque is surrounded by Islamic community and graveyard, and has been renovated and is still used for religious ceremony. Yaring Natural Study Centre (ศูนย์ศึกษาธรรมชาติป่าชายเลนยะหริ่ง) Located near Yamu Canal, opposite to Yaring District Hall, the centre is in Yaring National Forest, with the area of 500 Rai. There is a 1,250 metre wooden bridge as the walkway for natural study of the forest. Along the natural trail, there are several species of plants, rest area and a bird-watching tower with the height of 13 metres. Besides, there are delightful boat trips for visitors of nature lovers. There are 3 canals: Bang Pu, Klang, and Kolae. Along both banks, visitors can experience the fertility of water animals, birds, local lifestyles. For more details, contact Pattani Forest Regional Office at Tel: 0 7334 9146 ext.4146.

Amphoe Panare
Hat Panare (หาดปะนาเระ) Situated about three kilometres from Panare town on the same route to Talo-kapo Beach, there are many households of fishermen, Kolae and boats along the beach. Hat Chalalai (หาดชลาลัย) Situated about two kilometres far from District Hall on Pattani - Narathiwat route, the beach is highlighted by a large pond near the pine line, which is shaded for relaxation. Hat Ma Ruat (หาดม��รวด) Located next to Chalalai Beach for about 2 kilometres, this beach is characterized by the amazing site of the aggregated small rock mountains overlapping each other. Visitors can use the long walkway to the top of the mountain. Hat Ratcharak (หาดราชรักษ์) This beach is extended from Chalalai, Maruad, and Khae Khae Beaches. It is only one kiometre from Hat Maruad and is two kilometres before approaching Hat Khae Khae. Visitors can use the same route to Chalalai and Maruad Beaches. The large beach surrounded by rocks and hills is the most striking site for view watching. Hat Khae Khae (หาดแฆแฆ) Situated 43 kilometres from Pattani. “Khae Khae” is a local Malay word (Yawee) which means “loud noise”. The beach is in Tambon Nam Bo and is 2 kilometres from Hat Ratcharak. With its large granite rocks along the coast, the beach looks quite different from the others and is naturally reputed as the most beautiful beaches in Panare. Palas Market (ตลาดนัดปาลัส) Being approximately 30 kilometres from Pattani by highway no.42, the market can be visited in the morning of every Wednesday and Sunday. Also, this venue reflects the real rural lifestyle of the southern Thai Muslims whereby shoppers are clad in their local costumes and colorful batik head bands.

Amphoe Sai Buri
Hat Wasukri (หาดวาสุกรี) The beach is about 52 kilometres from Pattani and about 2 kilometres from Sai Buri. It is in Patatimo Village, TambonTaluban. Visitors can use the Pattani-Narathiwat route or use the route passing Hat Khae Khae to Sai Buri, or directly turn left at the junction to Sai Buri. The beach is parallel to the pine line. Bungalows are also available for service. Ban Paseyawo (บ้านปะเสยะวอ) This is a well-known venue for Kolae Boat making. This kind of boat is for the fishermen in Pattani and Narathiwat. The highlighting characteristics of the Kolae is the narrowing head and tail, with unique color. Besides the real Kolae for fishery, there are also imitations made for souvenirs. The making of Kolae by the local people here has been accepted by its neatness which integrates arts between Thai and Muslims. Otherwise, Ban Paseyawo is also reputed as best in producing tasteful Budu southern sauce.

Amphoe Mayo
Khao Ruesi (เขาฤาษี) This is the mountain situated at  Mu 2, Tambon Mayo, about 3 kilometres from Mayo town. The highlight of this mount is the natural rocky formation. Also, there are two ponds containing water which has been believed to be very holy and was used in the Coronation of many Kings. On this mount, is also the location of Wat Khao Ruesi Plaeng San which is worshipped by People in Pattani and nearby provinces.

Amphoe Yarang
Yarang Ancient Town (เมืองโบราณยะรัง) The city was one of the oldest communities in the history of the southern part of Thailand. It is believed that it was the location of the ancient kingdom of “Lanka Suka” which had its boundary covering the area of Songkhla, Pattani, Yala and Narathiwat of Thailand, Kalantan and Tarang Kanu of Malaysia according to the documents of China, Java, Malayia, and Arab. It was a port with long wide trading history with the foreigners since B.E.12. The structure of the ancient town was the large oval shape in the area of 9 square kilometres. There are three connecting towns as the followings:

Ban Wat Ancient Town (เมืองโบราณบ้านวัด) With a square in the centre of town, and is surrounded by moats, the town has more than 25 scattered and ruined ancient hills in the western  and northern area.

Ban Cha-le Ancient Town (เมืองโบราณบ้านจาเละ) With a pond in the centre of town and is surrounded by square-shape moats, this town is only one kilometre north of Ban Wat Ancient Town. The most important ancient monument is the ruined religious venue made of bricks, with large square base. Due to the discovery of several ancient materials in the area, there is proof that this venue must have been the Buddhist community.

Ban Prawae Ancient Town (เมืองโบราณบ้า��ปราแว) It is a small rectangular town with 4 forts in the corners. Also, there were canals connecting with Ban Ja-le in the north. Moreover, there are at least 30 areas of ruined ancient hills. Visitors can use Sirorot Road (highway no.410) from Pattani to Yala for another 15 kilometres, turn left to highway 4061 (Yarang- Mayo) for 1.2 kilometres to Ancient town area. Then turn left to the north for 400 metres to Ban Ja-le Ancient Town. Visitors in group can contact the Head of the Ancient Yarang Town Exploring Project on the official days and working hours at Tel: 0 7343 9093. Wat Mutcharinthawapiwihan (วัดมุจลินทวาปีวิหาร) Located about 10 kilometres on the route Pattani - Khok Pho in Nong Chik, this ancient Wat was built in 1845 on the same occasion of moving the Nong Chik District Office to Tambon Tuyong. It was formally called Wat Tuyong, and was changed to Wat Mutjarintawapiwihan on the state visit of King Rama V to Nong Chik. At present, its temple is still beautiful. With the sculptures of the past 3 abbots, especially Phra Ratchaphuttharangsi, the 5th abbot.

Amphoe Nong Chik
Hat Ratchadapisek (หาดรัชดาภิเษก) Situated at Ban Sai Mo, Tambon Sai Mo, this beach is about 15 kilometres from Pattani, or is 2 kilometres from Nong Chik District Office about 2 kilometres. There are pines in line suitable for relaxation.

Amphoe Khok Pho
King Rama VII Pavilion (พลับพลาที่ประทับรัชกาลที่ 7) This Thai style pavilion was built for King Rama VII during his visit to watch the eclipse in 1929. It is about 26 kilometres from Pattani town on highway no. 42 in Khok Pho District Office. Wat Chang Hai Rat Buranaram (วัดช้างให้ราษฎร์บูร��าราม) This monastery is at Ban Pa Rai, Tambon Tung Pala, close to the railway (Hat Yai - Sungai Kolok route) between Na Pradu and Pa Rai Stations. It is located about 31 kilometres from Pattani town. By car, visitors can use highway no.42 (Pattani - Khok Pho), pass Na Ket Junction, then use highway no.409 (Pattani-Yala), pass Na Pradu Municipality and Wat Chang Hai Training Centre and turn to Wat Chang Hai for another 700 metres.

This old monastery was built for more than 300 years, with the sculpture of Luang Pu Tuad, once an abbot of the temple. Also, the architecture of stupa, chedi, temple, and bell tower are magnificently beautiful. Luang Pu Thuat, Wat Chang Hai, being respected by people all over the country, Luang Pu Thuat was an educational monk. It was told that he was able to turn sea water into fresh water. Died in Malaysia, his body was brought back to Wat Chang Hai. The annual festival to pay respect to his bone and ashes is in April. At Wat Chang Hai, visitors can pay respect during 8 a.m.-5 p.m. daily. Wat Chang Hai Royal Folk Arts and Crafts Centre (ศูนย์ศิลปชีพวัดช้างให้) The centre displays and sells many southern handicrafts such as batik, imitated Kolae boat, handicrafts, mats, and ceramics. Namtok Sai Khao National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติน้ำตกทรายขาว) Located in Tambon Sai Khao, covering the forest in Pattani, Yala, and Songkhla, with the total area of 68,750 Rai, this evergreen forest is full of various kinds of plants, and a variety of waterfalls. The most beautiful waterfalls is Sai Khao Waterfalls which can be reached on foot from the Park’s Office along the creek. At the end, is the waterfall which is 40 metres high. The surroundings are evergreen forest. Visitors can swim in some natural ponds. Visitors can use highway no.409 (Pattani - Yala) for 28 kilometres to Na Pradu Junction, then turn to Napradu - Sai Khao route for about 7 kilometres. The Park also has bungalows available. For more details, visitors can contact the Forestry Department, Bang Khen, Bangkok, at Tel: 0 2570 5734, 0 2570 7223. Namtok Phong Phong (น้ำตกโผงโผง) Being one of the tourist attractions in Namtok Sai Khao National Park, this waterfall is at Mu 8, Tambon Pak Lo. Accessibility to this site is by using highway no.42 (Pattani - Yala) and turn to highway no.409 to Ban Pak Lo, then turn right for another 5 kilometres. With seven levels, this waterfalls has a big pond at the lowest level. The area near the waterfalls is shaded with many plants, suitable for relaxation. Namtok Aran Warin (น้ำตกอรัญวาริน) Situated at Mu 4, Tambon Tung Pala, this waterfall is accessible by using highway no.409 (Pattani - Yala), turn right at the junction to Wat Huai Ngo for 6 kilometres. The total distance from Pattani is about 30 kilometres. Namtok Aran Warin is in San Kala Khiri mountain range. There are 7 levels, where each level is about 300 - 500 metres apart.

Amphoe Mai Kaen
Hat Sai Chai Bueng Ban Laweng (หาดทรายชายบึงบ้านละเวง) Accessibility to the beach is by using highway no.42 (Pattani - Narathiwat) for 60 kilometres from Pattani, turn left to Amphoe Mai Kaen, across Koto Bridge for 8 kilometres. Chai Bueng Ban Laweng has different surroundings and nature. There is a large pond near the white beach. Moreover, there is a local handicraft centre (Ban Laweng) displaying weaving products. Hat Bang Sai (หาดบางสาย) Located at Mu 6, Tambon Sai Thong, 74 kilometres from Pattani, the beach is about 5 kilometres in length. Hat Pa Mai (หาดป่าไหม้) This beach is located at Mu 3, Tambon Sai Thong, an extension from Hat Bang Sai.

Buy
Pattani has many interesting local products such as dry squid, Budu sauce, fish chips, preserved look yee, brassware, Pateh,etc. Dry Squid (ปลาหมึกแห้ง) is famous from Amphoe Panare. They are large-size squid, with good taste, not too salty. Budu Sauces (น้ำบูดู) is one of the ingredients for Khao Yam, the southern local food. This delicious sauce can be kept for a long time. Fish Chips (ข้าวเกรียบปลา) is one of the local products of Sai Buri. It is delicious, and crispy. Preserved Luk Yi (ลูกหยีกวน) from Yarang has no seeds with very good taste. It can also be modified to other types of local sweets. And it is recommended for delicious local snacks. Brassware (เครื่องทองเหลือง) such as trays, bowls, and other styles are available on Pattani Road. Pateh (ผ้าปาเต๊ะ) is the most popular name to call products such as such as clothes, sarong, handkerchiefs, plate mats which are on sale in front of the Municipality Market. Pattani Bird Cage (กรงนกเขาปัตตานี) is made from fine bamboo, and has many designs. This product comes from Prikri Market, Mu 3, Tambon Kradai, Amphoe Mueang. Moreover, there are products made from Yan Lipao such as bags, hats, baskets, fans and furniture. They are on sale at the Product Shop of the Pattani Prison.

Festivals
Chak Phra Festival (ประเพณีชักพระ) This annual festival has been organized to commemorate the day that Lord Buddha came back from the heaven. Buddhists in Amphoe Khok Pho and nearby will accompany the decorated boat procession from all temples. The procession will be composed of beautifully dressed people. Activities include dancing and offering food to Buddhist monks at the District Office’s field for 5 days, 5 nights. Chao Mae Lim Ko Niao Fair (งานสมโภชเจ้าแม่ลิ้มกอเหนี่ยว) This fair is celebrated annually 15 days after Chinese New Year. Highlighting the event is the procession to carry the wooden sculpture of Chao Mae Lim Ko Niao-a goddess which is respected by the Chinese in Pattani. This annual fair also features extraordinary arts of endurance such as walking on fire. Before joining the festival for 7 days, participants of the fair need to be vegetarians by having no-meat food at least 7 days before the festival. Normally, the fair is celebrated widely by the people of Pattani and of nearby provinces. Fishing Sports in Sai Buri (งานแข่งขันกีฬาตกปลาสายบุรี) The event is annually held on the second weekend of May at Hat Wasukri, Amphoe Sai Buri. Due to the long coast and the great amount of a variety of fish, this sport has become very popular and exciting.

Amphoe Mueang Pattani

 * C S Pattani (ซี เอส ปัตตานี) 299 Mu 4 Nongjik Road (Tel: 0 7333 5093-4, 0 7333 6091-3 Fax : 0 7333 6092) 120 rooms: 1,100-3,500 baht

 * Southern View (เซาท์เทิร์น วิว) 399 Nongjik Road (Tel : 0 7331 9248 Fax : 0 7331 9255) 87 rooms : 1,500 baht

 * Thai Suwan (ไทยสุวรรณ) 103 Mu 8 Na Kluea Road (Tel: 0 7333 1584) 40 rooms: 200-400 baht

 * Palace (พาเลซ) 10-12 Soi Talat ted wiwat 2, Phiphit Road (Tel: 0 7334 9171, 0 7334 9711) 45 rooms: 160-500 baht

 * My Garden (มาย การ์เด้น) 8/28 Charoenpradit Road (Tel: 0 7333 1055-8) 135 rooms: 300-800 baht

 * Santisuk (ศานติสุข) 29 Phiphit Road (Tel: 0 7334 9122, 0 7334 8773) 38 rooms: 160-400 baht

 * Laem Nok Resort (แหลมนก รีสอร์ท) 103/12 Mu 8 Na Kluea Road (Tel: 0 7331 1537-8) 50 rooms: 500 baht

Amphoe Saiburi

 * Mueang Sai Resort (เมืองสายรีสอร์ท) Tel: 0 7341 1318, 7 rooms: 250-400 baht

Amphoe Mueang Pattani

 * Ko Seng (โกเส่ง)37-39 Rong Lao Road (Tel : 0 7333 1109, 0 7333 7900 ) open 10.00-22.00 hrs.

 * Kua Feng Fa (ครัวเฟื่องฟ้า) 104 Nongjik Road (Tel : 0 7333 2488) open 11.00-01.00 hrs.

 * Charoen Rat (เจริญรัตน์) 49 Udom Witi Road (Tel : 0 7333 2820, 0 7334 8678) open 06.00-11.00 hrs. and 18.00-20.00 hrs.

 * Darus Salam (ดารุสสลาม) 300/79-80 Nongjik Road (Tel : 0 7333 2342) open 10.00-21.00 hrs.

 * Taipan Seafood (ไทปัน ซีฟู๊ด) 17/249 Chonpratan Road

 * Napa Suki (นภาสุกี้) 23/27 Nongjik Road (Tel : 0 7333 4522) open 10.00-21.00 hrs.

 * Nam Rod (นำรส) 7 Phiphit Road (Tel : 0 7334 8103) open 09.00-17.00 hrs.

 * Pattani Bay Seafood (ปัตตานี เบย์ ซีฟู๊ด) 41 Mu 4 Nongjik Road (Tel : 0 7335 0137, 08 1969 8995)

 * Pattani Sport Club (ปัตตานี สปอร์ต คลับ) 299 Mu 4 Nongjik Road (Tel : 0 7333 6090-6) open 06.30-23.00 hrs.

 * Pra Thong (ปลาทอง) 113 Rong Ang Road (Tel : 0 7333 3589, 08 1599 3717)

 * Pan Thong (ปั้นทอง) 37/11-12 Kalapo Road (Tel : 0 7333 2539) open 10.30-20.30 hrs.

 * Matina (มาตินาห์) 48 Ari Uthit Road (Tel : 0 7331 0458)

 * Rakang Thong (ระฆังทอง) 99/9 Nongjik Road (Tel : 0 7333 7774)

 * River (ริเวอร์) 117/1 Rong Ang Road (Tel : 0 7333 1308, 0 7333 6132) open 10.00-22.00 hrs.

 * Rukayya (รูกัยยะห์) 28/15 Rong Lao Road (Tel : 0 7333 7891) open 08.00-18.00 hrs.

 * London (ลอนดอน)89/15 Yalang Road (Tel : 0 7334 9697, 0 7334 9681) open 09.00-24.00 hrs.

 * Wang King (วังคิงส์ 7/12 Nongjik Road (Tel : 0 7334 8670) open 06.00-15.30 hrs.

 * Bu-nga Raya (บุหงารายา) Nongjik Road (Tel : 0 7333 5093) open 06.00-23.00 hrs.

 * Pailin (ไพลิน) inside My Garden Hotel (Tel : 0 7333 1055-8) open 06.00-01.00 hrs.

 * U Tae Tiaem (อู๋แต่เตี๊ยม) 3/2 Preeda Road

 * Abdul Koder (อับดุลกอเดร์) 84 Yalang Road (Tel : 0 7333 1958) open 09.00-19.00 hrs.

 * Arinee Potchana (อารินีโภชน���) 17/65 Charoen Pradit Road (Tel : 0 7333 4301) open 10.00-21.00 hrs.

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 18:57, 5 February 2010 (EST)

title: Talk:Pattani/Listings


text:
Talk:Pattaya

We really need a map. There's a name for the Big-C complex besides "Big-C complex." More on the cabarets.

What are the criteria for "Budget", "Moderate", and "Splurge" hotels locally? I've been using as a guide < 1000 baht for budget, 1000-2000 baht for Moderate, and > 2000 baht for splurge.

 * For Pattaya that sounds pretty good. Usually budget = backpacker style (guesthouses etc), splurge = hella expensive and mid-range = the rest. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:55, 25 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * Yes, the Big-C complex is officially "Central Festival Center" but c'mon, do you really think your motocy taxi driver is gonna be familiar with that name? ;-) My cutoffs are budget <= 600 baht; mid-range < 1000 baht; splurge >= 1000 but I'm very frugal (dangerously so, perhaps). (WT-en) Ewlyahoocom 22:53, 1 May 2005 (EDT)

 * I usually aim for 200-400 bhat when I'm doing the budget thing. I think up to 600 for someplace like Pattaya makes sense... It's always the A/C that bumps it into the +500 range... (WT-en) Majnoona 07:35, 2 May 2005 (EDT)

"Clear extlinks"?
"Clear extlinks"? A bit drastic, yes? Perhaps you are a bit of a control freak. Anyway, it's your site and I really wouldn't want to fight over it so I cede it back to you. Thanks, it's been fun.

 * Yup, we're collective control freaks. See Project:External links. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:47, 6 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * I'm a bit surprised the ax went to the two map sites as well; they're not primary sources, but as far as I know there's no official city map online. If someone can find a map with the right rights to redistribute it, it would be a bit improvement to the article.  I've looked, and most of the online maps I've seen are of very unclear origin and copyright ownership. (Mister Handy)

 * If there's a really good external map site, we can link to it, but a good PD map would be better. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:02, 29 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Nothing wrong
Instead of asserting that there's "nothing wrong" with prostitution, I'd like to stick to the facts, which are that a) prostitution is illegal in Thailand, b) it's a great way of picking up venereal diseases and c) no, it's not normal or socially acceptable to pay for or get paid for sex in Thai society. Long debates about whether it's OK or wise for the traveller to indulge or not belong in Stickman Bangkok, not Wikivoyage.

See also Project:Sex tourism policy, where we've already had a couple of long debates about Bangkok and Pattaya... (WT-en) Jpatokal 20:51, 23 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * I'd prefer less emotional style level concerning on this matter, cf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand. I agree, "nothing wrong" may be not correct. The fact is, however, that sex trade is widely tolerated in Thailand. The travellers shoud be awared that, particulary in Pattaya, nightlife fun and sex is largely mixed together. Sure, we do not include how-to-do-sex-with-local-ladies information, according to our sex tourism policy. (WT-en) Lulu 05:10, 24 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * I think we agree on this — the key phrase is 'tolerated'. I think the traveller should be told both that no, he will not end up in jail, but no, beer bar hanky-panky isn't considered respectable Thai behavior either. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:22, 24 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * Yep... I'm just considering, how to build up the nightlife section. I think, it can be made according to our policy, but one should agree, the subject is highly sensitive. (WT-en) Lulu 07:10, 24 Nov 2005 (EST)

Manual of style, future Destination of the Month
So I just went through the article (once again) and tried to changed it into the Project:Manual of Style format. Contentwise, I think this is shaping up to be one of the best articles on Wikivoyage — it's getting good enough to be nominated for Project:Destination of the Month candidates, and only needs a better map to qualify as a Star. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:19, 29 Nov 2005 (EST)

Listing changes
I rolled back a number of listing edits that changed Manual of style-compliant listings into more prose-y listings. See restaurant listings, attraction listings, accommodation listings and bar listings for preferred formats. --(WT-en) Evan 19:06, 26 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Answer: yes, very acceptable! Thanks for your work. --(WT-en) Evan 23:02, 26 Dec 2005 (EST)

Better, but still...
Mr/Mrs Anonymous, will you please sign up for an account already, so we can actually a) identify your edits and b) have a civilized discussion?

Also, the Get out section is way too bloated now. A basic listing of places to go and short summaries of why they're interesting should suffice, the nitty-gritty info on how to get there and how much to pay should go into Get in and the respective destination articles. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:13, 26 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Well, I'm glad to see you're at least paying attention to our suggestions... and oh yes, Pattaya is now up on Project:Destination of the Month candidates. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:56, 27 Dec 2005 (EST)

And again (sigh)
Why, oh why, have you changed every bleeping phonenumber in Thailand to use the utterly perverse "66 (0) xxx" style? Good luck punching "660xxx" into any phone and getting it to work. Please follow the Project:Phone numbers standard and and format phone numbers as they would be dialled internationally: that is, +66-xxx. (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:04, 27 Dec 2005 (EST)

re: phone number format
For clarity and comparison, here's a summary of the overall change:

Before - all phone numbers (including all prefixes/suffixes) as they were at Revision as of 22:45, 29 Nov 2005

(03 842 1428) Tel 038756879 Phone: +660-3822-5407, +660-3836-7229 (0-3842-0965-6) (078 336655) (03 873 5050) 038 361 500 038 428 057 (0 3837 0173) (0 3836 7652) tel. 66 3841 5941 tel. 66 3825 0721 +66 38 425550 tel. 66 09 5441430 tel. 03 873 5050 tel. 66 38 412120

After - all phone numbers (including all prefixes/suffixes) as they were at Revision as of 06:07, 7 Dec 2005

tel. +66 (0) 38421428 tel+fax. +66 (0) 38249818, +66 (0) 38249853, +66 (0) 38249174 tel. +66 (0) 38429321 tel. +66 (0) 38296556 tel. +66 (0) 38756879 tel. +66 (0) 38427660 tel. +66 (0) 38225407 / +66 (0) 38367229 tel. +66 (0) 38420965 / +66 (0) 38420966 tel. +66 (0) 78336655 tel. +66 (0) 38735050 tel. +66 (0) 38255488 tel. +66 (0) 38361500 tel. +66 (0) 38428057 tel. +66 (0) 38370173 tel. +66 (0) 38367652 tel. +66 (0) 38415941 tel. +66 (0) 38250721 tel. +66 (0) 38425550 tel. +66 (0) 95441430 tel. +66 (0) 38735050 tel. +66 (0) 38412120

The format applied was not considered to be unequivocally correct.

Applying it was considered a reasonable and worthwhile change given the following facts:

1) Project:Phone numbers states "...format phone numbers as they would be dialled internationally but in a way that shows the part that can be dialled locally"

2) any consistent format can be replaced by any other consistent format in a matter of seconds (ie the multiple individual manual edits necessary to make this change would mean that in future, a simple find-and-replace could update the entire article in a single edit)

3) consistent format was previously absent (see summary above)

4) no alternative format specifically for Thailand could be found to have been declared (numerous Talk: pages were reviewed)

5) no consistent format could be found to have been applied to any other Thailand article (ie no precedent to follow - numerous Thailand articles were checked, eg Bangkok, etc; all pages with multiple numbers were found to have a mixture of formats)

6) definitive format would be confirmed/applied when phone number markup/template is introduced, and making this change now would simplify the switch to markup/template, regardless of the actual format used

7) see also "Telephone numbers" question - Talk:Pattaya - 16:53, 1 Dec 2005

re: "you changed every bleeping phonenumber in Thailand" - comment is incorrect; the < tel. +66 (0) 12345678 > format was only used in nine other articles (a grand total of 13 phone/fax numbers).

re: "Good luck punching "660xxx" into any phone and getting it to work" - comment is misrepresentative as it disregards the bracketing of the zero.

 * Rest assured, I very much appreciate your work in standardizing the phone numbers. However, my interpretation is of the standard in Project:Phone numbers is that we should first and foremost use the international format ("+66-12345678"), but show the part that should be dialed locally by highlighting the country code in italics ("+66-12345678"). The "0" in there adds little value and lots of confusion, eg. I initially "corrected" a few entries to +66-0-xxx until I realized that the zero was spurious.

 * And why are you referring to yourself in the passive third person? (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:30, 30 Dec 2005 (EST)

Prostitution illegal

 * It's not illegal to pay for sex

I believe this is false; prostitution is technically illegal in Thailand; the law is not enforced.

 * According to my admittedly limited understanding, it is indeed legal to pay for sex (client-side), but it is not legal to provide sex for money (server-side). (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:04, 1 Jan 2006 (EST)

Big table of holidays
The large table, coming so close to the head of the document, disrupts (to me at least) the flow of the document ... does anyone else agree? And if so, and if it's not too incompatible with the manual of style, could we either move it to the bottom (with a link and an anchor) or to a subsidiary page? (WT-en) mr_Handy 17:24, 12 March 2006 (EST)

 * Moving it sounds good - so I moved it (and deleted the out-of-date stuff at the same time) and put in a link.

 * Quite frankly it shouldn't be in Pattaya at all. The public holidays and such should be in Thailand, and Pattaya-specific stuff should go into "Do" or "Understand" — with copies into Calendar of events and festivals, please. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:19, 12 March 2006 (EST)

 * I suggest leaving it as it is. The idea is to provide Pattaya-specific info for each date (including "national" dates - ie about what's happening in Pattaya on those dates), and there's more info to come. There are only four dates that could potentially have no Pattaya-specific info, and as it's only four, they should be left in for completeness.

This article used to be good...
This article used to be good, but now it's not: it's too long and it's got too much crap in it. What happened? 58.147.63.1 12:14, 13 March 2006 (EST)

 * Mr. Overly Enthusiastic Anonymous happened. I agree with you, so please take a scalpel and start cutting out the crap. (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:41, 13 March 2006 (EST)

 * Wow! I'm speechless. This is huge. This will be on my to do list. (WT-en) Sapphire 01:14, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

Districting
Whoah there Sapphire, let's take this easy. First, I don't agree with the wholesale deletion of the Orientation section, it's got some good info buried in there. Second, I think you're going overboard and creating way too many districts for what isn't actually all that big a town -- could we start off with a three-way split for Jomtien, Central and Naklue for starters? (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:44, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Sorry, I was a little woried about the districting, because I've never been to Thailand, nor Asia for that matter and it was hard to find any info about this place. I'm actually rearranging the Orientation section on my laptop to make it a little bit more user friendly. I would have liked your guidance earlier because I saw how crazy in size this monster was and I wanted to tame it a little. I guess drinking espressos late at night really isn't a great idea. Earlier I suggested this article as a COTW. What's your take on that? - Sapphire
 * Would you do me a favor and leave me a little information about what the three districts were going to use should contain? Like streets, landmarks, and the such? For example where is this Dolphain square at? Would we put Buddha Hill in Jomtien? I'd prefer it if you could leave the information here User talk:(WV-en) Sapphire. Also, tommorrow at aroung 5 PM (EST) I'll have the orientation info back in and a little more concise and to the point.

 * A picture is worth a thousand words: . So as you can see, the beach is split in three by two headlands.  The south beach is Jomtien, the north bit is Naklua and the central bit is, well, Central.  (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:08, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

 * The following districts are orphans. To stop them appearing on the orphan pages list I have listed them here instead. Please decide if they need to be deleted or redirected as appropriate. -- (WT-en) Huttite 06:49, 1 May 2006 (EDT)

 * Pattaya/Bay of Pattaya deleted 18 May 2006
 * Pattaya/Buddha Hill deleted 18 May 2006
 * Pattaya/Downtown deleted 11 June 2006
 * Pattaya/North Pattaya deleted 18 May 2006
 * Pattaya/South Pattaya deleted 18 May 2006

If you still want to split this article up, perhaps moving out most of the bars/restaurants/entertainment into its own page would be the way to go? 149.9.0.21 12:06, 30 June 2006 (EDT)

Getting out
In relation to Cambodia's border where is Pattaya? Thanks! - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 11:11, 28 May 2006 (EDT)

 * To the west. Follow the coastline (or Sukhumvit Rd) east and you'll eventually end up in Cambodia. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:52, 28 May 2006 (EDT)

Sanctuary of truth
Maybe you should add information about The Sanctuary of Truth which is not far from Pattaya.
 * We have a brief mention of it under "see," but if you have more information please plunge forward and include it in the appropriate district. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 23:43, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

Pattaya + Jomtien split - opinions & suggestions
Pattaya is a very small and compact city, and the sub-districts (Jomtien excluded) are each about the size of a postage stamp.

Pattaya Beach: because of the extremely small areas involved, the nature of much of the content (especially nightlife and transport), the chronic vagaries of the boundaries, etc etc etc, splitting this up would result in a bunch of confusing fragments that will be difficult for people to contribute to and even worse to try and use as a guide.

Naklua & Buddha Hill: neither warrant separate guides - likely potential content specific to these probably totals less than 5% of everything else north of Jomtien. Even if a "Naklua & Buddha Hill" article were not geographically impossible, it would still be an impracticably small split.

Jomtien has alternative "Get in" options from Bangkok, and is big enough, different enough, far away enough, geographically distinct enough, etc to justify a completely separate guide. I suggest everything else - ie everything north of Jomtien - be grouped together as Pattaya.

The Pattaya/Naklua article currently has less than 2.4KB of actual info, Pattaya/Central only 5.6KB - if there's no consensus against, I propose to merge these back into the main Pattaya page (already done, but not yet posted), then start on something meaningful for Jomtien. 125.24.4.216 07:31, 11 July 2006 (EDT)

 * I'm fine with this, although I'd like to keep Naklua separate because it is geographically a bit different. I agree that there's no point in attempting to subdivide central Pattaya. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:49, 11 July 2006 (EDT)

 * In what way is Naklua "geographically a bit different"?

 * It's separated from central Pattaya by a headland. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:51, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

We seriously need to make work from this. I agree that Pattaya should just be Pattaya, and that Jomtien should just be moved to a separate article. Naklua could just be dealt with inside the Pattaya article. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 16:23, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

This is a poor guide
Unfortunately, I wasn't around to object as loud as I possibly could about this article, but I've been busy with other things. This is, editorially, a poor article. Yes, I concede that it's very informative, but it is still a very poor article and lacks the common factor of past DotM articless and that's quality over quanity.

My specific objections are the many numerous and seemingly random listings. There is no information that tells me why I should pick one scuba diving place. What I, the traveler, want is a description of the services businesses offer. I don't want random listings with no information that seems like no one actually tried out, but took from the CVB's website and then copied and pasted the information to the Pattaya. Sure, that's helpful in some instance, but over doing it makes this article look like it lacks any kind of integrity.

Our mortal enemy said it best:

 * "There's so much information out there that people want somebody to discriminate for them, we're not doing anyone a favor to list 100 places. You want someone to say this is better than that." -- Michael Spring

The other big issue is that a lot of crap is not Pattaya specific. A lot of information needs to be moved to the Thailand guide and removed from this article. Otherwise, some of info should just be trimmed down if it actually does have some relevance to the article.

It was an error to highlight Pattaya as DotM, when it is in fact a poorly conceived and written guide. Is there anyone that can turn the monstrosity around? -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 00:22, 2 February 2007 (EST)

 * I agree with Andrew, this page looks pretty bad and it being highlighted as a great article isn't ideal, it just encourages people to copy what they see here. A small discussion started about it this page on Project:Internal links but not much response... I'd be happy to remove the internal links if others agree with me, and the see and do sections are a little horrific... hell, I'm gonna plunge forward a little... hope nobody minds... but I'd still love to know people's views on internal links... (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 08:17, 2 February 2007 (EST)

 * Do we honestly need the Pattaya section? Who in the hell is going to meet up with the Vegetarian Club of Pattaya?  Revert my removal of the section, if needed. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 02:49, 7 February 2007 (EST)

 * Not only will I not revert, I'll encourage you to keep going... I did some cleanup of the article, but every time I try to go back to it it hurts my head... too big for a small destination, but I haven't been there and don't know what to trash and what to keep. (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 03:04, 7 February 2007 (EST)

 * I'm in the same predicament, but I'm trying to be somewhat conservative in my attacks. My approach is what will I want and need to know if I go there.  -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 03:17, 7 February 2007 (EST)

Sex
This article should really warn/inform people what Pattaya is really all about. Families bringing children here might want to be prepared to answer awkward questions. i.e. Why are half the foreigners fat balding old men with beautiful young Thai women/girls...

 * I think the article actually does a pretty good job. The "Drink" section leaves few illusions about what Pattaya's nightlife is all about — but there really is a plethora of sporty stuff to do unparallled in Thailand. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:20, 17 February 2007 (EST)

The "Getting Out" Section
Has anyone else noticed the "Get In" section seems to be mostly about leaving. I'm going to go to Pattaya today so I'll try and update a bit sometime in the next week. George. 203.144.143.6 22:20, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Pictures
If anyone has some good pictures from this place, please for god sakes add them, it's hurting the eyes, we need something to break it up (see Stockholm how a large article can actually be comprehensible) --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 07:33, 10 December 2008 (EST)

TAT listings
Some TAT listings from the Chonburi (province) page that maybe could be useful for Pattaya in the future, I placed them on Talk:Pattaya/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 23:25, 2 February 2010 (EST)

Dressing up Pattaya
I really want to take the stick to this article and will do so. Not only do the listings need addressing, but the whole article needs a bout of honesty. Pattaya is far too dressed up here. Too little is made of the fact that it is a sex destination above all else, and a particularly nasty one to boot. No mention at all that it has taken over from southern Spain as the refuge of choice for British (and other) criminals on the run, "Costa del Pattaya" etc.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 03:47, 7 February 2010 (EST)

 * Also, do we think it needs districtification? It is kind of half-cock in that respect at the moment. A whole bunch of sub-districts are listed but not created, bar Pattaya/Naklua. My immediate reaction is that Pattaya is not big enough(?) to warrant districtification, and that Naklua is a bit of non-event as an article and could be merged back into Pattaya.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:23, 7 February 2010 (EST)

 * This could be a Thailand-wide discussion. Destinations like Phuket, Ko Pha Ngan and Ko Samui have also "districtified" with the beaches having separate articles. But this hasn't happened on Ko Samet. I think maybe the huge city template could apply for these destinations, and we make them districts.

 * For Pattaya, I think at least Jomtien could be a separate district as it is geographically further away. For the rest, maybe we could also separate South, Central and North Pattaya? Not sure. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:31, 7 February 2010 (EST)

 * Good point about the wider implications. It seems to me that the huge city template might be most appropriate for those islands. For Pattaya, is there really enough content or potential scope to warrant it? I do not think so. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:05, 7 February 2010 (EST)

 * It seems this article is not honest about the fair of sleaze you can find here, is partly because of Wikivoyage's policy on sex tourism. In a nutshell: pretend sex tourism doesn't exist. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 18:19, 14 February 2010 (EST)

 * I like this sentence: "There is lots of culture to see in Pattaya." :P I thought Pattaya's mostly about nature. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 18:29, 14 February 2010 (EST)

Introductory description of Pattaya
Pattaya is a controversial travel destination because of its numerous sex-workers and the foreign men who come to see them. And as is the case with all controversial subjects in a Wikipedia type of encyclopedia, some people editing this article have strong opinions. And invariably, some of them deliberately try to distort the facts in order to sway the readers towards their point of view.

In the introductory paragraph about Pattaya someone insists on using the words 'girls' and 'boys' to describe the visible sex-workers in Pattaya. Which isn't an accurate description of the sex-workers. Because I've been in Pattaya many times. And I know it for a fact that those visible sex-workers in Pattaya are all women and men, all well over 18 years of age.

I can't say I'm an expert on what goes on behind the scenes, hidden from public view in Pattaya. Perhaps there is some pedophilia and narcotic drug trade going on too. But to say that something like this is out in the public view there likely to be encountered by casual tourists is an outright lie. And anyone who has been in Pattaya for few days will know this. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 67.71.66.3 (talk • contribs)

 * The unfettered age of sexual consent in Thailand is 18 (although it is officially 15). That all those very young looking public sex workers that you see in Pattaya are "well over 18 years of age" is therefore rather unlikely I think. If you have any doubts about Pattaya being an international centre of Pedophilia, just do a simple Google search. Same goes for drugs, gun-running etc (mostly controlled by European undesirables) - the Costa del Pattaya is a not inappropriate moniker.
 * Specifically here, I think the words "girls" and "boys" are appropriate. An alternative might be "young women" and "young men". These would probably convey the message as well.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 00:44, 11 June 2010 (EDT)

The age of consent might be 18 years of age in Thailand. But sex-workers in Pattaya and other places in Thailand must be at least 21 years of age. I've seen with my own eyes police checking IDs of some sex-workers there to make sure they were old enough. And a local Thai lady explained to me what was going on.

I realize that the words 'girls' and 'boys' are sometimes used in a slang kind of way to mean young adults and not children, especially in the context of courtship and sex. Lovers even call each other 'baby' in an endearing kind of way.

But such imprecise use of language without adequate context to explain its meaning often leads to misunderstanding. And my feeling is that some people editing this article about Pattaya are deliberately trying to create misunderstanding through imprecise use of words in order to express their personal opinions at the expense of real facts.

Too long?
I'm a bit surprised to see a tag stating that information should be removed to make the article shorter. It is extensive, but the prose seems quite fine and the information very usable. Are there rules for length? And if so, shouldn't information be split into other articles rather than deleted? (WT-en) Justme 03:59, 20 September 2011 (EDT)

 * This article is way too bloated... just take a look at the Do section to see how unreadable this article actually is. Four shooting ranges, 16 scuba diving companies, 6 driving ranges, 3 horse riding clubs, 5 go-kart circuits, 6 yacht clubs, and that's just the beginning of it. Wikipedia has the "too long" template for articles this, I think maybe we could use something like that as well. This article needs desperate clean-up, but I don't see it happen anytime soon. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 12:10, 20 September 2011 (EDT)

 * This comment is from 2011. The current Do section does not contain 4 ranges, 16 SCUBA companies, etc., thanks to my work and the work of others. There is still too much bloat in Bowling, etc., but progress is being made. Seligne (talk) 10:04, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Lovely Corner Bar
I agree about the music, but unfortunately, the staff are only to keen to pad bills. —The preceding comment was added by 86.42.240.136 (talk • contribs)

 * Feel free to plunge forward! Globe-trotter (talk) 04:52, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I don't get this. I added the Lovely Corner Bar entry. There is no mention of music in the listing. My experience there (~20 times) is that my bills were never padded. Seligne (talk) 09:45, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

The banner
The banner is nice, but does it really encapsulate Pattaya? Would https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pattaya_banner.jpg be a more accurate representation of the place? Roundtheworld (talk) 20:14, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

 * I don't know, but it looks hazy, at least on my monitor, and it sure isn't as pleasant an image. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:13, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Vote for deletion of Sailor Bar
Several years ago I happened on the Sailor Bar. It offered breakfast then for about 55 baht: 2 eggs, ersatz meat, 2 toast, butter, jam, orange juice, coffee. I thought it was a great deal and the place was welcoming as well. I became acquainted with Kun Deng, my server, and the staff. I created an enthusiastic listing for them on Wikivoyage.

As I don't live nearby, I get back there every year or so. I visited last year and found the service wanting: brusque, cold, even rude. I visited again this week. The breakfasts are now 65 baht, still a steal. But the service remains icy and unwelcoming. I recommend delisting them from WV until they get their act together. They are unworthy of a listing in my opinion. What do you think of the place? Support delisting or not?Seligne (talk) 15:18, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

 * I imagine it would take quite a while before another person who has been to that place finds this discussion to answer your question. Personally, I'd think that since you were the one who vouched for the place in the first place, it'd probably be just fine for you to go ahead and remove it, referring to this discussion in your edit comment. Texugo (talk) 19:11, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article?
In my opinion, it would be better to have a banner that better represent this location as a big thriving city (the current banner gives the impression that this is some small village). Which banner do you prefer for this article? (maybe you have ideas for better alternatives?)

CC the main users whom have worked on the Pattaya article: Seligne, Goodsoil

ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 12:48, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

 * I agree that the current banner in no way is representative of Pattaya. (Maybe a picture of Soi 6?) 555! Seligne (talk) 13:39, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Seligne. If you have a better alternative please make it+upload it... otherwise, please write which of the banners shown above you prefer for this article. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 20:06, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

 * I have never been to Pattaya, but on picture quality alone, I prefer the proposed replacement. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:05, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

 * I have no better photo. Of the two shown, I prefer the bottom one (panorama of city and bay). Thanks, Seligne (talk) 05:47, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Fat old men with young Thai women
User:Phantomwiki removed this language from the lede, with the following edit summary:

Removed offensive line about "fat old men".

I restored it and started this thread. My feeling is that any description of a widespread phenomenon in a given destination which someone finds offensive to read but which is incontestably accurate must be and remain in an article, because whoever would find the description offensive will undoubtedly find the actuality much worse, and this site's watchword - the traveller comes first - includes telling prospective visitors to a destination for johns what they're getting into. Only if there's something inaccurate or misleading about the description would I countenance removing it. I'd also solicit User:Seligne's remarks if he would like to comment. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:42, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I would have written, "...fat, tattooed, drunk old men holding hands, and more, with young Thai ladies..." Coincidentally, just this week I read a letter in the Bangkok Post on this subject. A guy was complaining that he unwittingly booked a hotel for his family in a BKK red light district. They were uncomfortable and he was pissed off and wanted the government to label such areas. How that could be done is beyond me. What we can do, as travel advisors, is to warn off people by describing the unvarnished truth of what we see. Self-censorship is not the answer. Seligne (talk) 09:05, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Closure?
Pattaya faces 80% closure for up to a year Pashley (talk) 13:12, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

 * Lockdown lifted Pashley (talk) 01:35, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Edits
I tried to de-clutter this page a little because it was looking so bloated, and I noticed a lot of places had changed or were no longer in business or going downhill in quality. I hope it's alright - I tried to be conservative in excising. Lazarus1255 (talk) 02:36, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

 * It's more than alright; it's great that you did that! Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:52, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

 * Okay, thanks! :) Lazarus1255 (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

title: Talk:Pattaya


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Talk:Pattaya/Entertainment and Dining Guide

Sorry, this is not the way Wikivoyage articles work. Yes, the See/Do/Eat lists on the main Pattaya page are terribly long, but the correct solution is to split them into the relevant geographical districts. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:22, 5 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Should this be vfded or is someone working on it? (WT-en) Majnoona 00:22, 23 July 2006 (EDT)

 * It should be VFD'd after it's been synced to the main guide, but I don't think anybody is on this... (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:18, 23 July 2006 (EDT)

 * I can't find anything that's not already in the Pattaya guide apart from one listing that's already in the Naklua guide (see Pattaya/Naklua), plus the list of golf courses which was in the Pattaya guide but has since been moved to Golf_in_Thailand ~ 125.24.16.84 07:07, 26 July 2006 (EDT)