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User:(WT-en) Hansm/Commercialisation FAQ

Julia Angwin, a reporter from the Wall Street Journal, has asked me the following question: "I guess I would just like to understand your objections to the Internet Brands purchase of Wikitravel and what your plans are for taking the German content and starting a new site." --- A simple question that requires a complex response, just like "Explain me the meaning of live." I would like to respond in two FAQs, one about commercialisation (this one) and another about my (our) (WT-en) ideas about forking (still to be done).

Is the Internet Brands purchase of Wikitravel your main reason for forking?
It is one of several reasons. In some of the discussions, people have tried to reduce my objections on the fact that IB runs commercially. That's a simplification of my more complex reasons.

So, what other reasons do you have?
Some of the reasons are rooted in the way Wikitravel has been led, even in the time before the purchase. However, I suppose your main interests are not Wikitravel internas, so I treat them as short as possible if I do mention them at all.

What's bad about the purchase of Wikitravel?
Let me distinguish two aspects of this question: The process of decision making that led to the selling and the resulting situation after the purchase. I will answer each of them in more detail.

How about decision making?
Concerning the decision making, there are rather Wikitravel internal points to criticize. From the legal point of view, it was Evan's and Michelle's right to sell their rights on the domain wikitravel.org and all their personal intellectual property in respect to Wikitravel. On the other hand, in the more than 2 1/2 years Wikitravel exists, they always had been suggesting to guarantee for some basic principals of community work on the wiki. A wiki community only can work if contributors und readers have confidence in the maintainers of the server. Both, Evan and Michelle, repeatedly have emphasized the importance of making decisions on the wiki by consensus. There are several policies about Wikitravel's goals and social interaction of the members of the wiki community, mostly written by Evan himself. For example, in the very fundamental policy Goals and non-goals (of Wikitravel as whole) Evan says "However, blatant advertising is not welcome." This policy has not been changed or even questioned before the purchase. Even worse, there never had been any announcement at all from the two founders that would have given any information about the intension to sell the domain. For all of us, it was a big surprise when Evan and Michelle announced the selling of wikitravel.org.

Did you believe Evan and Michelle would pay for the Server forever?
For everyone who have had deeper insight into Wikitravel's organisation, it was evident that Evan and Michelle could not pay the Wikitravel server from their private budgets for all eternity. It also was obviously that Evan slowly had turned to be overstrained from all the technical maintenance tasks, especially in the last month before the purchase. So, probably many had expected that something had to be changed.

Wasn't the selling the logical consequence?
No, even if Evan and Michelle have repeatedly tried to explain that this was the best decision for Wikitravel. I'm sure it was not and there had been other options. But I cannot deny that there was a big temptation to take the money from selling wikitravel.org and getting a paid job for things they, especially Evan, have been doing all the time anyway.

What else could Evan and Michelle have done?
In my opinion, the appropriate approach would have been to line out the existing problems to the community, to discuss possible solutions on a wide base and to find a way supported by as many wikitravellers as possible. There would have been very different ways out of the problems. For example, a (non-profit) association could have been founded or a decision for controlled advertising could have been made. A community based decision would have been most important. Even if the community decided to ask Evan and Michelle to sell the domain, it would at least have been a decision made on a wide base and not that of two single persons.

Does it make such a big difference whether there was a community decision or not?
What Evan and Michelle have done was to ignore basic community principals and policies. Instead, they have simply informed the community about accomplished and irreversible facts. Because of that they have lost a lot of my confidence.

How about the fact that Wikitravel's new owner has commercial interests?
IB did not purchase Wikitravel for common benefit. It's a profit orientated company and, of course, they want to make money with Wikitravel.

I suppose you don't like that somebody makes money with free content.
Some Wikitravellers have argued that they are not willing to work for free for a project where others make money with. That's short sighted. Wikitravel's licence, the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike 1.0 licence, allowes to use Wikitravel's contents commercially, which is all right for me.

What's the difference between making money with the content and purchasing the wiki?
Let me answer this question from wiki community's point of view: What's the difference between granting others the right to make money with the content and selling the wiki?

Selling the wiki means handing over the total control over the wiki to somebody else. It's a big difference allowing others to make money with the result of your work. It's like selling your working room and letting other people decide how it is furnished, how walls are painted, what music you have to listen to while working, how much access you get to your own work and maybe even on what topics you have (or don't have) to work. In the worst case, it may happen that the new owner decides to close down your room and uses it as a storage room.

What do you mean with the music?
Listening to the right music at the right moment is pleasant. But being forced to listen to music you don't like can be very awkward and bothering. IB is an advertising company and all of their other sites are overloaded with text and even banner ads. For me, it's a question of time until this will apply to wikitravel.org, too.

You don't like advertising?
Who does? But let me point out some differences.

The need of advertising for paying your server is one thing. In this case, you yourself determine how much, which and where the advertising is put. You can put only as much ads on the pages as you need for paying your costs.

IB's aims are probably different. They will try to maximize their profit and, of course, as a company they have much more expenses than a community of idealistic volunteers. Since probably most of their income results of advertisings, it's easy to imagine how wikitravel.org is going to look like in a few months.

How do you mean "access to your own work"?
The whole content of Wikitravel is licenced under the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike 1.0 licence. That actually guarantees that everybody is allowed to reuse, redistribute, sell and modify the community work of Wikitravel. But what's the benefit of a free licence if the work is not fully accessible to public? At the moment, it is impossible to download the travel guide as whole.

Dumps are not available unless you write a formal request to IB. Finally, IB decides whether you get a dump or not. Their criteria for decision are still completely intransparent. On my request for dumps of the German language version, I have been told that "IB considers whether to make an XML feed available [...]. This will typically involve deciding how much work you're asking for versus how much benefit it will be for Wikitravel." As we see, getting the dumps or not depends on the benefit for an advertising company. This is the logical behaviour of a profit orientated company.

From the wiki community's point of view, of course, this is an inacceptable situation. Wikitravel's guides are the product of community work, written in the intension to be free for everybody, independent from the benefit for a single person or organisation.

I admit, with some programming skills, it is possible to download article by article automatically, but this is practicable only for some specialists.

Do you think a profit orientated maintainer of the server has an impact on the independence of its content?
Definitely yes. Most newspapers or journals know quite well that it is dangerous to upset their large advertising clients. If some advertiser would stop his contracts for protest, there would be a remarkable loss in income that cannot simply be compensated by more readers.

Do you believe it's different with an internet based travel guide? It would be Evan's or Michelle's job to moderate contributors if they would write negative things about IB's advertising partners. Imagine IB makes a good advertising bussines with a hotel chain or some airline. They cannot risk to lose them only for some intractable contributor. Possibly conflicts will arise and contributors may drop off.

Don't you think a company as maintainer of the project is more enduring than two private persons?
Yes, it isn't.

Yes, because a company is interested in maintaining the server as long as the wiki makes profit or promits to make profit. A company is less susceptible for changes of mood or for personal incidents.

No, because what if they don't make profit with the wiki? What if the company runs into insolvency? What if IB is sold itself and a travel wiki does not fit any more into the new bussines model? Maybe, the domain would be sold for some other purposes. And the wikis with all the content? In the worst case, they simply get shut down and the project dies. If the wiki community is lucky, there would be some more or less recent data dumps available somewhere in the internet.

Don't you think the financial background of IB could be a benefit for Wikitravel?
For sure in the last months it was. But let us regard the things from the business point of view. IB has done an investment in purchasing Wikitravel. And they are still continuing to invest since they pay for Evan and Michelle and for the technical infrastructure. What have they got out of it? Nothing, not yet. A good investment must offer some advantage, strategically or financially. It's hard for me to figure out what the strategical advantage could be. So, let's talk about money. The favorite way of making money with an internet site for an advertising company will be putting ads on the site, as much ads as necessary to maximize the profit. If Wikitravel has been a good investment for IB, it will bring enough money for paying all its costs, including 1 1/2 jobs for Evan and Michelle, plus some profit for the company. To sum up, capital must run out of Wikitravel, not into it.

Evan has stated a win-win situation. If Wikitravel has been a good investment for IB, IB will win. But what's the profit for the Wikitravel community project? All the seemingly benefits like professional leaders and technical infrastructure are in fact paid by the earnings that come out of wikitravel.org itself. Compare this with the situation we would have if the wiki community had decided to keep the control on the server, but putting ads on it. Even in this case, there would have been some income that could be spend for all kinds of technical infrastructure and, if necessary, for professional Wikitravellers. But there is one difference: If there were a surplus, it would not be booked as profit for some company, but be kept by the project itself.

The only real win-win situation would be the rather hypothetical case that IB would work so much more efficiently than the community, that they were worth their extra cut they get. But honestly, I don't believe this. A company has a lot more expenses than a community of volunteers. Furthermore, there are a lot of out-of-the-box providers for easy to include advertisings (even context sensitive), so that even a non-specialist can get some pretty good income with a server.

Do you think IB would be unprofessional enough to discard the power of the community?
How do you mean unprofessional? It is professional to use the most efficient strategy to achieve one's own goals. The community and IB have different goals. Sure, some of them coincident, but others don't. It's an euphemism to state that everything what's good for Wikitravel is good for IB. After the selling, the term "Wikitravel" has got at least two different meanings. On one hand, there is the IB section "Wikitravel" that must make profit. On the other hand, there is the community project "Wikitravel", that should be open for everybody to contribute, to read and to reuse.

Ask people from the wiki community what is good for Wikitravel, and they will tell you that IB has to pay for all the costs and leave basically everything as it is. Is this good for the IB section "Wikitravel"? Of course, it isn't. Now ask IB what's good for Wikitravel, and they probably will tell you (not officially, of course) that contributors should write as much and as well as they can, but should not ask for anything else. A good contributor works hard and tolerates a lot of advertising.

And in between, there are our professional Wikitravellers. They have to manage the different targets. But don't forget, they are paid by IB, not by the community. If they do their job well, they will shape the community according to the interests of IB. It's their job to get rid of critical contributors and to keep and aquire those willing to work under the new circumstances. For a company, wiki contributors are basically a human resource. Like any other resource, it has to be optimized in accordance to the new needs after having been purchased. This is a process that needs some months or perhaps even years, but it already has begun. At the end, there will be a community that swallows a lot more than the current one.

I think, it's short sighted to refer to the power of the community against IB. The community is already about to run through IB's optimisation process. The optimal community may have decreased somehow, but for sure it will be more squeezable.

And now, let me ask you a counterquestion:

What do you think why there is not yet advertising on wikitravel.org after almost 3 months?

There are other wikis running commercially. Why not even Wikitravel?
Yes, there are. Many smaller wikis use context sensitive ads, some in pure text, others even with banners. The most prominent wiki with text ads is perhaps wikia.com. It is run by a company founded and led by Jimbo Wales and Angela Beesley, two board members of the Wikipedia Foundation.

Comparing both projects, we see the pioneers of the definitely largest open community wikis on one hand. They are experienced wiki contributors themselves. On the other hand there are the founders of Wikitravel as employees of advertising specialists. Both groups run their wikis commercially, but on a completely different background. I do believe that running a Wiki is a passion for all four people. But Jimbo and Angela are their own bosses, whereas Evan and Michelle are only employees of an advertising company.

Let's also have a look at the way both, Wikia and Wikitravel, include or are supposed to include ads. What Wikia does is pretty standard, some out-of-the-box context sensitive text ads. For establishing that kind of advertising, it would not have been necessary to sell Wikitravel. This could easily have been done by Evan himself. Well, we do not yet know about IB's advertising plans on Wikitravel, but if you take a look at their other sites, you easily realize that their way of advertising is much more elaborated and even more blatant. Only putting some text ads on a site is not the way an advertising company works.


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I'm sure it was a lapse that Evan has moved our discussion onto an orphaned page. To keep it in the tree of articles, I link it from here: User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Hansm.

And to be realy sure, I also copy it:

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Resignation of German go-between and admin
After a long time of thinking, I have decided to ask you to toggle off my de: admin flag. I also resign formaly from beeing de: go-betweeen. I never had been elected and my name always served as a placeholder for the basicaly vacant go-between. The past has shown that go-between tasks can be done by several de: users, whoever feels responsible. I have anounced my decision 14 days ago on de: and have asked for new go-between candidates. Since nobody volunteered, there is no official de: go-between now. -- (WT-en) Hansm 04:37, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Done! I'm sorry to hear that you won't be working as a de: admin anymore, but I hope you'll still have some time to participate. I know you never wanted to do the job in the first place, and I appreciate that you put as much time as you did into it. Thanks. --(WT-en) Evan 12:35, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Thanks. I want to keep my normal user account. I suppose you already have noticed that I run a small wiki to organize a project fork. Together with some german speaking wikitravellers we try to build up a democraticaly organized non-profit association according to german law. If we succeed, a multilingual alternative to wikitravel.org is planed. We would like to cooperate with wikitravel if wikitravel.org doesn't regard us as a rival. If we don't succeed, I intend to contribute to wikitravel/de occasionaly, provided that advertising is limited to an acceptable dose and the organisatorical structures turn out to be as transparent as they claim to be. -- (WT-en) Hansm 17:32, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

 * I didn't change your normal user account, I just lowered the privileges. You should still be able to login and edit as normal, you just won't be able to do administrator things like deleting and protecting articles, banning users, or rolling back changes.

 * I think organizing a member-run non-profit association of contributors is an excellent idea, and I hope that works out. I wonder: have you considered operating your non-profit as an independent users group (like a Linux users group) rather taking on the expense and responsibility of running your own servers? I'm pretty sure a lot of Wikitravellers would participate in a WUG.

 * I don't think a fork is the best thing for travellers or contributors. Please, tell me why you think that working on Wikitravel is sufficiently unendurable to justify trying to make a fork. I'd like to correct whatever the problem is and avoid splitting the time and effort of travel contributors. --(WT-en) Evan 00:50, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

I don't understand your suggestion to operate like an independent users group. What we'll need is a dedicated server to run the wikis. I never have heard that users groups get paid a server from somebody.

I think you already know quite well our concerns. So, I'll keep it short:

There are things you cannot correct any more since you have sold your control over wikitravel.org:
 * Independance from profit oriented organisation.
 * Democratic community decissions not only about contence, but even about
 * how the server(s) are maintained,
 * whether advertising is necessary or not,
 * how db-dumps are made available,
 * which server-provider is choosen,
 * who has to administrate the server(s),
 * what features should be implemented and how this should be done.

Some other things you maybe could improve even on wikitravel.org:
 * More equality in the rights of the language versions. Seperate the english version from making decisions that affect all other language versions. Those decisions have to be elaborated on shared: or review:, not on en:
 * More support for non-english versions.
 * More authonomie for language versions, i.e.
 * elected Bureaucrats, not only Evan,
 * access to its wiki-configuration and its db for some elected admins.
 * Accept that there are many wikitravellers that are able to write Mediawiki extensions, some probably better than Evan.
 * Discuss new ideas or improvements for features before having them implemented yourself.
 * Accept that some development of features needs a master plan rather than tinkering one next to the other without having an idea how the final result will look like. This requires open minded discussions in advance.

-- (WT-en) Hansm 05:11, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Originally posted as interlaced comments; removed to blocks per request, see User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Hansm for an interlaced version.

 * The idea is that if your concern is about user input into the process, you spend your time, money, and effort on that, rather than on servers and developers. It sounds like you have a social problem (user decision making, mostly on de: but also on other Wikitravel versions) and a technical solution (servers, DBs, MediaWiki).

 * [...] No, actually, I don't. I've tried to follow your conversations in German through Google Translate, but we haven't talked directly about them. I appreciate that you've taken the time to present your case here. Direct communications are the best way to get problems taken care of!

 * [...] I don't think I was clear; I meant that I'd like us to work together to correct the problems, not that I would correct them unilaterally by fiat. There are many other voices that should be heard, which is why an open conversation is needed.

 * [...] One nice thing about the ToC discussion was finding out that this is really important for German culture. At least in the USA, and some other parts of the world, there's more of a feeling that Open Source and Open Content, and community interaction, can be developed using a commercial platform (SourceForge, Wikia). I think my point about starting a WUG is that you could have this independence, member voting, etc., without having the expense of running your own servers and the effort of building up an anti-brand. You could continue the work and momentum that's gone into making Wikitravel well-known.

 * I won't bother you with this idea again; it wouldn't be very "independent" if you did it exactly how I said! B-)

 * [...] So, I think we've tried to address these things over the last few weeks with the Project:Technical infrastructure policy for Wikitravel; everybody on Wikitravel has a voice in how the software works. w/r/t advertising, when the time comes that there's going to be advertising on Wikitravel, there will be a discussion on how it works. If someone thinks that discussion needs to be started now, they're free to create Project:Advertising policy.

 * I think there is a line we've drawn in the infrastructure policy between things that readers and contributors see (UI features, performance), and stuff they don't see (layout of config files on the servers, backup schedule). I think the Wikitravel community's attention and effort is best spent working on the goals of the project, not on running a Web server like a kibbutz. I don't know of a site that runs this way; I know in particular that Wikimedia Foundation's technical infrastructure is not determined by majority vote.

 * [...] I think this is a valid principle, but I'm not sure what it would mean in practice.

 * [...] That's a great idea. I like that a lot. I don't think that it would make sense on review, since the whole point of that site is to be a scratchpad; I want to be able to replace its DB and language interface with copies from other languages as needed. So it would probably have to be shared:. What kinds of decisions would move there? Technical ones (bug reports, feature requests), or others, too? I could see some of the multi-lingual policies go out there, as well as language version expeditions.

 * [...] Support in terms of technical support? Or other kinds of support?

 * [...] (WT-sv) Riggwelter brought this up earlier. Now that we're up to the same version (just about) as the Wikimedia servers, we can do this. I'd love to see this job joined with being a go-between.

 * [...] I wonder if making technical requests faster would make this unnecessary. I'll be honest: I'd be very concerned about that.

 * [...] I accept the fact that many people can write MW extensions, but I challenge anyone who thinks they can do it better than me to a programming shoot-out. B-) On a serious note, I wonder if there's a point to this, though. Do you think we should have a more formal policy about accepting code submissions from Wikitravellers and others? Or about scripts?

 * [...] I think that's been the big lesson from the ToC move. That's why we have a review site and why Maj and I have moved our programming projects to Project:Feature requests.

 * [...] I guess that this comes particularly from your experience with the Project:RDF Expedition. This is actually a software development philosophy question, and I much prefer getting software developed and rolled out for review quickly rather than getting bogged down in a master plan. The idea is that you should deal with the problems you have now, and don't borrow problems from the future, and you'll save time and effort because you may never actually have those future problems. I think with respect to the RDF Expedition there's still a lot of architectural work to be done, which might mean re-writing some of the stuff that's been done already. I think that encapsulating RDF in templates makes this much easier to do.

 * [...] To summarize: overall, I think you have some very good ideas, especially regarding the role of en: and other language versions. At least to begin with, I'm going to copy a few of them to the Project:Language version policy and Project:Technical infrastructure policy talk pages.

 * [...] I'd suggest that you continue to work with me and Maj, IB, the en: community and the other Wikitravel language version communities to see if we can work out these problems together. Many of them sound workable to me, and although I'd have problems with others, I'd like to think we can come to some reasonable compromises. --(WT-en) Evan 11:36, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Fine, at least some of my points seem to initiate some reflections about how to handle things on WT. I'm happy if I could help Wikitravel with some inputs from my experience with de:. Now about some details:

 * One nice thing about the ToC discussion was... --- Just compare http://www.greenhybrid.com/, one of IB's comunity driven sites, and http://www.wikia.com . See the difference? Blatend banners right at the top! This is more than just a question of mentality. Wikia is run by Wikimedia bord members who know quite well what it does mean to work on a wiki. IB is run by advertising specialists. However, no need for me any more to discuss about this point.

 * So, I think we've tried to address these things over the last few weeks.. --- Discussing is a nice way to spend one's time, but what I was talking about was deciding. Here, final decisions are made by IB, not by the community. One point why we want to build up an alternative.

 * I think there is a line we've drawn... --- Well, that's what you think, but I think that were not we who have drawn the line, but you personaly. That's OK, because that's the wikitravel way of organisation. We (those who want to fork) want to try an other way and contributors will decide what they like more.

 * I think that's been the big lesson from the ToC move. ... --- This was not the first lesson on this theme, but the first one that was big enough that you could understand. Let's hope you will remember even after some months. I already had been quite upset after you have had spread your first RDF "examples" without having discussed them. I'm convinced that many contributors would appreciate to find an alternative without an over-mighty superuser.

 * Well, you have asked for my ideas about improvements and I did tell you some of my basic points. For the next future, I'll concentrate on organizing the fork rather than trying things that didn't succeed in the past, i.e. changing your way of leading wikitravel. People are different and there are many different kinds of mentality. For sure, there will be a lot of contributers feeling perfectly comfortable with wikitravel.org. Maybe, there are others that prefer to take over more responsibility (and liberty) for the community they are working with and its organisation. Let choose each what (s)he likes more. The most important thing is that we work together for the same aime, to create a free, complete, up-to-date, and reliable world-wide travel guide.

 * -- (WT-en) Hansm 14:14, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

 * I hope you re-consider and instead work with the rest of the community here to keep improving Wikitravel. --(WT-en) Evan 20:09, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

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I don't understand your suggestion to operate like an independent users group. What we'll need is a dedicated server to run the wikis. I never have heard that users groups get paid a server from somebody.

 * The idea is that if your concern is about user input into the process, you spend your time, money, and effort on that, rather than on servers and developers. It sounds like you have a social problem (user decision making, mostly on de: but also on other Wikitravel versions) and a technical solution (servers, DBs, MediaWiki). --(WT-en) Evan

I think you already know quite well our concerns. So, I'll keep it short:

 * No, actually, I don't. I've tried to follow your conversations in German through Google Translate, but we haven't talked directly about them. I appreciate that you've taken the time to present your case here. Direct communications are the best way to get problems taken care of! --(WT-en) Evan

There are things you cannot correct any more since you have sold your control over wikitravel.org:

 * I don't think I was clear; I meant that I'd like us to work together to correct the problems, not that I would correct them unilaterally by fiat. There are many other voices that should be heard, which is why an open conversation is needed. --(WT-en) Evan

 * Independance from profit oriented organisation.

 * One nice thing about the ToC discussion was finding out that this is really important for German culture. At least in the USA, and some other parts of the world, there's more of a feeling that Open Source and Open Content, and community interaction, can be developed using a commercial platform (SourceForge, Wikia). I think my point about starting a WUG is that you could have this independence, member voting, etc., without having the expense of running your own servers and the effort of building up an anti-brand. You could continue the work and momentum that's gone into making Wikitravel well-known.

 * I won't bother you with this idea again; it wouldn't be very "independent" if you did it exactly how I said! B-) --(WT-en) Evan

 * Democratic community decissions not only about contence, but even about
 * how the server(s) are maintained,
 * whether advertising is necessary or not,
 * how db-dumps are made available,
 * which server-provider is choosen,
 * who has to administrate the server(s),
 * what features should be implemented and how this should be done.

 * So, I think we've tried to address these things over the last few weeks with the Project:Technical infrastructure policy for Wikitravel; everybody on Wikitravel has a voice in how the software works. w/r/t advertising, when the time comes that there's going to be advertising on Wikitravel, there will be a discussion on how it works. If someone thinks that discussion needs to be started now, they're free to create Project:Advertising policy.

 * I think there is a line we've drawn in the infrastructure policy between things that readers and contributors see (UI features, performance), and stuff they don't see (layout of config files on the servers, backup schedule). I think the Wikitravel community's attention and effort is best spent working on the goals of the project, not on running a Web server like a kibbutz. I don't know of a site that runs this way; I know in particular that Wikimedia Foundation's technical infrastructure is not determined by majority vote. --(WT-en) Evan

 * More equality in the rights of the language versions.

 * I think this is a valid principle, but I'm not sure what it would mean in practice. --(WT-en) Evan

 * Seperate the english version from making decisions that affect all other language versions. Those decisions have to be elaborated on shared: or review:, not on en:
 * That's a great idea. I like that a lot. I don't think that it would make sense on review, since the whole point of that site is to be a scratchpad; I want to be able to replace its DB and language interface with copies from other languages as needed. So it would probably have to be shared:. What kinds of decisions would move there? Technical ones (bug reports, feature requests), or others, too? I could see some of the multi-lingual policies go out there, as well as language version expeditions. --(WT-en) Evan
 * More support for non-english versions.
 * Support in terms of technical support? Or other kinds of support? --(WT-en) Evan
 * More authonomie for language versions, i.e.
 * elected Bureaucrats, not only Evan,
 * (WT-sv) Riggwelter brought this up earlier. Now that we're up to the same version (just about) as the Wikimedia servers, we can do this. I'd love to see this job joined with being a go-between. --(WT-en) Evan
 * access to its wiki-configuration and its db for some elected admins.
 * I wonder if making technical requests faster would make this unnecessary. I'll be honest: I'd be very concerned about that. --(WT-en) Evan
 * Accept that there are many wikitravellers that are able to write Mediawiki extensions, some probably better than Evan.
 * I accept the fact that many people can write MW extensions, but I challenge anyone who thinks they can do it better than me to a programming shoot-out. B-) On a serious note, I wonder if there's a point to this, though. Do you think we should have a more formal policy about accepting code submissions from Wikitravellers and others? Or about scripts? --(WT-en) Evan
 * Discuss new ideas or improvements for features before having them implemented yourself.
 * I think that's been the big lesson from the ToC move. That's why we have a review site and why Maj and I have moved our programming projects to Project:Feature requests. --(WT-en) Evan
 * Accept that some development of features needs a master plan rather than tinkering one next to the other without having an idea how the final result will look like. This requires open minded discussions in advance.
 * I guess that this comes particularly from your experience with the Project:RDF Expedition. This is actually a software development philosophy question, and I much prefer getting software developed and rolled out for review quickly rather than getting bogged down in a master plan. The idea is that you should deal with the problems you have now, and don't borrow problems from the future, and you'll save time and effort because you may never actually have those future problems. I think with respect to the RDF Expedition there's still a lot of architectural work to be done, which might mean re-writing some of the stuff that's been done already. I think that encapsulating RDF in templates makes this much easier to do. --(WT-en) Evan

-- (WT-en) Hansm 05:11, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

 * To summarize: overall, I think you have some very good ideas, especially regarding the role of en: and other language versions. At least to begin with, I'm going to copy a few of them to the Project:Language version policy and Project:Technical infrastructure policy talk pages.

 * I'd suggest that you continue to work with me and Maj, IB, the en: community and the other Wikitravel language version communities to see if we can work out these problems together. Many of them sound workable to me, and although I'd have problems with others, I'd like to think we can come to some reasonable compromises. --(WT-en) Evan 11:36, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Dear Evan, is this the new way of discussing on WT? If you should have forgotten your policies, please read Project:Using_talk_pages. You have completely messed up my posting. Nobody else would be able to understand who has written which parts of our discussion. I'd strongly suggest that you revert your edits and bring them into a suitable form. If done so, I can give some replies. -- (WT-en) Hansm 12:24, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

 * It's very common, when replying to a point-by-point discussion, to intersperse comments with the original points. I specifically signed each paragraph so it would be clear who wrote what. Since it's not helpful for you, I've reverted, but moved this discussion to a separate page for reference. --(WT-en) Evan 12:48, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

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User:(WT-en) Hansm/Fork FAQ

Julia Angwin, a reporter from the Wall Street Journal, has asked me the following question: "I guess I would just like to understand your objections to the Internet Brands purchase of Wikitravel and what your plans are for taking the German content and starting a new site." --- A simple question that requires a complex response, just like "Explain me the meaning of live." I would like to respond in two FAQs, one about (WT-en) commercialisation and another about my (our) ideas about forking.

This FAQ is not about the reasons for forking (see User:(WT-en) Hansm/Commercialisation FAQ for those reasons related to commercialisation), but rather about how I do imagine a fork.

Did you already do the fork?
No, not yet. I know, there has been some confusion because I run a small wiki in order to organize a fork. But this is not yet the fork itself.

So you plan to fork from Wikitravel?
Yes.

Do you only want to fork the German branch?
I was used to be admin and go-between of the German language version and I was one of the most active contributors almost 2 years ago when Wikitravel/de had been build up. Thus, I have a close relation to the German language version.

Back to your question: No, not only de:, but de: would be the first language version to fork. After having got some experience in running the servers and establishing an infrastructure, other language version may follow if there are enough interested contributors.

How will the content of the new wiki(s) be licenced?
Since we continue the work of Wikitravel, we must use the same licence, the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike Licence in Version 1.0.

What would be different from Wikitravel?
The main differences will be:
 * The domain, the wiki(s) and the server administration will be run by a beneficial non-profit association.
 * The organisation will rely more on the democratic power of the wiki communities and members of the association.
 * Advertising should be avoided.

What would be similar to Wikitravel?

 * We will start with content from Wikitravel.
 * We want to continue Wikitravel's basic ideas, policies and goals.

Do you think you are able to accomplish all the maintenance and organizational tasks as Evan has done on Wikitravel?
No. What Evan has done on Wikitravel was amazing. It's no secret that I often have critisized him in the last months, but beside those points, there is a lot of benefit Evan has brought to the project of Wikitravel. I'm sure, I never could bring up that huge amount of time as Evan has done.

How do you mean you could fork from Wikitravel if you do not have the time for it?
Wikitravel's organisation used to be run in a one-man operation. In the last months, Evan's working capacities came more and more to their limit. This was one reason for him to sell the wiki. I don't want to repeat that. I never would try to fork if I had to do it all by myself. There is a group of admins and main contributors to de: that want to do the fork together, and I'm just one of them.

A group is fine, but who is going to be the strong voice on the wiki as Evan is on Wikitravel?
That will be our voices in choir.

And if the choir sings dissonant? You will need a choir leader.
This is not our idea about community and democracy. For us, it is important to avoid a big boss. If there should be some dissonance, we have to discuss the different opinions and find a common way.

But who will make all the important decisions on new features, technical infrastructure and the wiki's overall organisation?
If you take the term "community" for serious, there is only one possible answer: We.

To be more precise: We believe that an organisation similar to the Wikimedia Foundation is the best for a project like Wikitravel. So, we are working on founding an association according to German law. All those overall organizational and technical decisions that Evan used to make on Wikitravel only together with Michelle, but not with the wiki community, will be made by the association.

Other more content or feature related decisions can be made by the wiki community. Is there any doubt, it's the association that decides as Evan used to do on Wikitravel.

How important is consensus for you?
It is very important to discuss all kinds of decisions in advance. If possible, we should try to come to consensus.

If there is no strong voice, who does decide whether something is consensus or not?
From my experience with Wikitravel I know, that for many questions it is not really evident whether there is consensus or not. The usual way on Wikitravel is that at some point Evan has to explain to the community what the consensus on some topic is. Here is a problem for me.

I think that there are floating limits between finding decisions in consensus and arbitrariness of a strong leader. If there is an obvious consensus, that's fine. If even after a longer discussion no consensus becomes visible, other concepts are needed to come to a clear decision. The usual democratic way are votings. That's what I want to propagate even for community decisions.

How does the association make its decisions?
The association will be legaly registered at German authorities and therefore needs to have some clear statutes, that regulate its way of decision making. The statutes are in work, but not yet ready. We intend to translate them into English as soon as possible.

There will be a board, that mainly has the task to represent the association outwards. It's internal authority in respect to decision making will be rather limited. The highest organ of the association is the members' conference. It elects the board members periodically, is able to change the association's statutes and makes decisions about everything, that is not especially delegated to the board.

In order to get legally consistent results, all organs of the association, i.e. board and members' conference, make their decisions by votings.

Who can become a member of the association?
Everybody. Well, everybody who pays his contribution. But I hope it will be rather low.

Really everybody, or Germans only?
Really everybody.

Who can become a board member?
Basically everybody, but...

Well, there are some practical restrictions. At least some of the board members have the task to represent the association towards the German authorities. This means that you need to be fluent in German and need to be able and willing to travel to Germany, if you should life abroad, in order to do some legaly necessary executions for the association.

Why will German law be applicable to the association?
Since there is no international law for associations, you always have to choose some national law. Most of us are Germans that live in Germany. So, it's natural for us to found an association according to German law. That won't have any impact on the internationality of the association. Everybody can become a full righted member, no matter what citizenship you have. If the contributors to some language version would feel more comfortable when founding a sister assotiation according to some other national law, we would be happy to heavily cooperate and keep the national associations together below an international umbrella association. That would be the same as the Wikimedia Foundation does. The Wikimedia Foundation is an umbrella organisation with several national branches.

Do you really need all that organizational overhead of an association?
I don't see no other way.

Evan and Michelle have run Wikitravel as private persons. The wiki community had no choice but trusting into their good faith. There was no community control on the two owners of the server and you see what has happened. It was their personal decision to sell the wiki and so they did. They also could have decided to close down the wiki or whatever. Private persons are no good carriers for the wiki and its internet domain.

IB is a company. For the community, there is even less control on the wiki's carrier. If you want to know why I think that a company with commercial interests is not a good carrier either, please read the (WT-en) Commercialisation FAQ.

I think, the big advantages of an association are steadiness, transparency and controllability. There are statutes that regulate quite precisely what the association's targets are, how which decisions are made and who has control about what. These statutes are not just some other policies that might or might not be regarded, but they have legal status. An association is much less susceptible to moods and personal decisions. Everybody who wants to take part in any decision can do so. Another very important point: Since the association is a full righted person by law, it also can register internet domains. So, the owner of the domain would be the association itself and its statutes regulate whether domains may be sold or not.

One of the reasons for the amazing success of the Wikipedia is probably the fact that it is run neither by some company nor by some private persons, but by the Wikimedia Foundation, some kind of association.

An association has lot of advantages, but there is also some price to pay. In fact, there is more organizational work to do as if the domain would simply be registered on a private person who decides by herself.

The association holds the internet domain, but who would run the server(s)?
The association, too. I'm convinced that there will be enough skilled people in the community to technically administrate the server and the wikis. Just have a look at the Wikitravel community. There have been many proposals and ideas, even technical ones, out of the community. Most of them were not realized since Evan felt to do all by himself. I'm sure, there would be a rich potential of ideas and skills that just has to be allowed to develop.

The members' conference will appoint administrators for the server as whole or for the technical administration of the wikis according to the statutes.

Where do you think would the money come from?
A very basic question. Members have to pay a contribution. I hope it would not be too high, but if there are enough members, a remarkable part of the expenses could be paid from members' contributions. Encouraged by the large amount of donations the Wikimedia Foundation is able to acquire, we also hope on donations. If there is still too little money coming in, we would try to get sponsors. Many of us are against open advertising. If we really should come into the situation of needing more money urgently, the final decision is up to the members' conference.

Sponsors and maybe advertising sounds pretty commercial. Isn't it that what you actually wanted to prevent?
Sure, we will make strong efforts to keep advertising off the wikis. But for now, it's hard to predict how our financial budget is going to look like.

This is my very personal answer: We should be prepared for everything. If nothing else helps, there would be two options, either to close down the project or to take advertising into account. So, what's worse? I assure you, some of my fellows would like to lock me out of the association for this pragmatism. I have to say it again: this is my very personal view.

If the association ever would decide to include some advertising, would there still be a difference to wikitravel.org at all?
For sure, big differences.

First of all, of course, the project's organisation. See above for the advantages of having an association as carrier of the server. That's still us who would keep the control on all decisions. Especially, that's us who would decide how much, which and where ads are necessary to compensate the deficit in income. If users would decide to donate more, we could stop advertising immediately. We do not work for profit, we just have to pay our (comperatively low) expenses.

You claim not to work for profit. How can I be sure?
First of all, see our statutes (as soon as they are ready). They have legal character. Furthermore, German law provides a way to register organisations at the authorities, if the organisations run for beneficial, non-profit aims. That's, for example, what the Wikimedia Foundation Deutschland did. We want do get this registration, too. An registered beneficial non-profit association is strictly controlled by German financial authorities and is obliged to spend all it's income for their beneficial aims as defined in its statutes. There is only a very limited amount of capital that could be kept back as financial reserves.

Maybe, there would be some hidden ways of making profit.
Which ones? The incomes of the association will be made transparent to all members and the financial authorities. It's the members' conference that decides about the yearly budget. The very most part of it will run into the fees for the server(s). There won't be no employees until the members' conference decides anything else. If the members' conference ever should decide to close the association (nobody else could), all its capital must be donated to some other registered beneficial non-profit organisations.

Do you intend to make database dumps available?
Sure, as soon as we have built up the necessary technical infrastructure.

How do you want to organize the work on the wikis?
Most of the daily life on the wikis will not differ significantly from what you are used to from Wikitravel. We still keep working for the same goals. Thus, we want to keep the well proven geographical hierarchy of destinations and the structure of the articles. However, improvements are welcome. We also highly appreciate the soft security we have learned to apply when working on Wikitravel.

Differences will be rather in respect to the community's organisation:
 * There won't be a big boss.
 * There will be more autonomy for the language version wikis.
 * On each wiki, not only sysops, but even bureaucrats will be elected.
 * Not only admins, but all contributors can vote for elections.
 * If we can find a technically save way, we plan to grant access to the server-sided configuration of each wiki to elected technical admins.
 * Decisions should be made in consensus. If there won't be a clear result, votings will be necessary.

How do you want to organize the cooperation between language versions?

 * We want to implement some technical features to ease the interlanguage cooperation.
 * Decisions about new features and others that concern all language versions will be made on a non-language-specific wiki, like recently introduced by Evan on Wikitravel.
 * There won't be a main language version where all other language versions are derived from. All language versions are treated equally.

Do you regard wikitravel as a rival?
Definitely not. I do like Wikitravel's basic ideas very much and want to see them continued in the new project. We will work on the same goal as Wikitravel does. We just want to give an alternative to those who feel uncomfortable with the selling of Wikitravel and the way it is organized and led. There will be a lot of occasions to cooperate, if Wikitravel's leadership agrees.

I do like your ideas, how can I help you?
Join us. Everybody who shares our goals is needed. If you have some new ideas for improvement, let us know.

At the moment, our focus is on founding the association. We are working on the statutes and need to come to consensus about the initial board members. Both requires a good knowledge of German language.

We also need donations for the startup. We need to be sure to be able to pay for the server before signing any contract. Donations should go directly to the association, not to some private person. For now, we only do ask for promisses of donations until the assotiation has been established. We plan to use an internet paying service like PayPal for international transactions.

If you have skills in server administration, programing (preferably PHP) or MySQL database maintainment, you are very welcome.

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User:(WT-en) Hansm/Sandbox/Übersetzung von englischen Wikitravel-Ausdrücken

Begriffe, die in Wikivoyage häufig benutzt werden oder innerhalb von Wikivoyage eine feststehnde Bedeutung haben, sollten auch immer durch den gleichen deutschen Ausdruck übersetzt werden. Das steigert die Lesbarkeit und vermeidet Verwirrung. Wir sammeln hier eine Liste zur Übersetzung von englischen Wikivoyage-Ausdrücken.

Listet bitte den fraglichen englischen Ausdruck auf (nach "; " am Zeilenanfang). Vorschläge für deutsche Übersetzungen darunter hinter "*". Mehrere Vorschläge sind möglich, dann müssen wir später eine Einigung finden.

 * Expedition
 * "Expedition": Entsprechend Expedition "Sprachführer", Expedition "Karten" usw. -- (WT-en) Hansm

 * Tool
 * "Werkzeug": leichter Vorzug, obwohl "Tool" auch verstanden wird. -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * "Tool":

 * Stub
 * "Anriss": Mein Vorzug, da prägnant. Dass Anriss ein eher ungebräuchliches Wort ist, macht es um so geeignter. -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * "Anreißer"
 * "kurzer Artikel": Benutzt Wikipedia. Gefällt mir aber nicht. -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * "Teilartikel": So hab ich es bisher übersetzt. Bin aber flexibel. (WT-en) Cecil 09:46, 21 Sep 2004 (EDT)
 * Teilartikel finde ich gut, weil aus dem Begriff hervorgeht, dass der Artikel noch nicht vollständig ist sondern noch was fehlt. (im Gegensatz zu "kurzer Artikel") (WT-en) Bernie 17:23, 21 Sep 2004 (EDT)
 * Wenn man nur das Wort hört, kann man aber auch an einen Teil eines Artikels, also Kapitel oder Absatz denken. Es kommt hier nicht so gut raus, dass es sich um den Anfang, die Skizze, den Entwurf, die Knospe ... eines neuen Artikel handelt. -- (WT-en) Hansm

 * "Baby-Artikel": Klingt lustig. Aber eigentlich ist der Artikel ja gerade auf die Welt gekommen. -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * "Stub" : man muss nicht alles übersetzen (WT-en) Denisoliver

 * Policy
 * "Regeln"

 * Votes for Deletion
 * "Wahl zur Löschung": So hab ich es bisher übersetzt. Gefällt mir aber nicht. (WT-en) Cecil 09:46, 21 Sep 2004 (EDT)
 * "Antrag zur Löschung": Etwas besser. Aber auch nicht das Wahre. (WT-en) Cecil 09:46, 21 Sep 2004 (EDT)
 * "Bitte löschen": So hab ich's unten übersetzt. -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * "Löschanträge":--(WT-en) zeno 05:49, Sep 22, 2004 (EDT)
 * Geht in die gleiche Richtung wie "Löschkandidaten" bei WP. -- (WT-en) Hansm

 * Link
 * "Verweis":
 * "Link": Ist doch eigentlich schon ein Fachausdruck, den jeder beim Surfen versteht. -- (WT-en) Hansm Genau. (WT-en) Denisoliver

 * Itinerary
 * "Reiseroute":
 * "Route":

 * Phrasebook
 * "Sprachführer": Besser. -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * "Redewendungen"

 * Main Page
 * "Hauptseite": Sagt Wikipedia. Gefällt mir besser -- (WT-en) Hansm Mir auch (WT-en) Denisoliver
 * "Anfangsseite":

 * User
 * "Benutzer"

Je nach Zusammenhang eines der beiden benutzen.
 * Page history
 * "Versionen"
 * "Seitenversionen"

 * Recent Changes
 * "Letzte Änderungen"

Schwierig, da Copyright als juristischer Fachausdruck verstanden werden kann, der sich auf die angelsächsische Rechtsprechung bezieht.
 * Copyright
 * "Urheberrecht": Natürlich "Urheberrecht", ist ja die deutsche Version -- (WT-en) Bernie 17:23, 21 Sep 2004 (EDT)
 * Wikipedia sagt auch "Urheberrecht". Glaube, wir könne nauch "Urheberrecht" sagen. -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * Müssen wir sogar, denn das Copyright ist in DE (und A? CH?) kein Rechtsgut, über das etwas zu sagen wär. (WT-en) Denisoliver

 * "Copyright":

 * Destination of the Month
 * "Reiseziel des Monats"

 * Wikivoyager
 * "Wikivoyager"

 * Wikivoyage
 * "Wikivoyage (das)":

 * Traveler's Pub
 * "Stammtisch": wenn schon (WT-en) Denisoliver
 * "Gasthaus":


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Lake Titicaca (Spanish: Lago Titicaca) is located on the border between northern Bolivia and southern Peru. It is considered the highest commercially navigable body of water in the world (3821m).

Understand
Covering some 8300 square kilometers, Lake Titicaca is the largest lake in South America, not counting Lake Maracaibo in Venezuela, which is connected to the sea by a strait. The area of the lake is divided roughly evenly between Peru and Bolivia. Most of the Tiquina peninsula, which juts out from the Peruvian shore, also belongs to Bolivia.

Bolivia

 * Copacabana
 * Tiwanaku

Peru

 * Puno (city)
 * Juliaca

Other destinations

 * Isla del Sol
 * Isla Amantani
 * Isla Taquille
 * The floating Uros Islands - a bit touristy/artificial, but still interesting and worth stopping-off at if you are on your way to one of the other islands

Titicaca-See Lake Titicaca Lake Titicaca Lake Titicaca


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Goals

 * Index list for print versions, including alternative spellings or names, famous sights not treated in an own article and usual nouns in names (mountain -> Monte ...)
 * customized index lists on the fly (like all scientific museums in northern Italy)
 * What would be a place in Europe warmer than 10°C in january?
 * Where is the next golf park?

Article itself

 * "put this keyword into the index".

Place described by the article

 * country, region, city, district, itinary
 * other names, spellings
 * geografical Koordinates (what system?)
 * climatical info: min. max. avrg. temerature for different months, rain, avrg. hours of sunshine, avrg. wind.

Realation between Articles

 * has part
 * is part of
 * is neigbor of

Article for other ways of ...

 * what group is addressed?

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'HansWobbe'
 * I really should post some images from my travels.
 * Apparently a "clean up" was undertaken as some time between when I first registered and 2012-02, since the history records that would have been generated are missing.

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User:(WT-en) Hanzo

I live in Connecticut, and would like to contribute information about New England.

To do:
 * Newport
 * Vermont
 * Connecticut
 * New Mexico Not in New England, but I have been there, and I really liked it.

I'm planning a trip to Colorado next year, and I hope that someone can bring those pages to a helpful level before then.

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User:(WT-en) Haonguyen

Hi! I'm Hao.

Please visit my page for more information about me: Hao Nguyen's Blog

Thanks!

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User:(WT-en) HappyCamper

Hi!

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User:(WT-en) Happyqq

Happyqq, name Daisy Wong, (born 04 Oct. 1984), is a china company customer service, have a daughter name COCO. below is she contribution edit 山海关-shanhaiguan edit 居庸关-juyongguan and.....(planing uodate) I will try my best to become the best contributor of Wiki.

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User:(WT-en) HappyV

Hello, I am a contributor from Croatia. If you would like to contact me, please leave a message on the discussion page and I will give my best to reply as soon as possible. Thank you.

Some of the articles I contribute to
Croatia, Zagreb, Varaždin, Croatian phrasebook, Rijeka, Dubrovnik, Plitvice National Park etc.

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User:(WT-en) Harald Hansen

I'm a contributor on Wikipedia, mainly the Norwegian language edition. I live in Kongsberg, Norway.

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User:(WT-en) Hardrock

Latest update, the ferry services (Minyak Beku Ferry Terminal, Batu Pahat) from Batu Pahat, Malaysia to Tanjung Balai, Karimum, Indonesia already operating since May 2007, currently offer the special rate at RM75 (2 way) excluding tax and insurance.Call +607-4288181 for more information.

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User:(WT-en) Harleyca

I currently live in Lima, Peru.

I have travelled in the following countries;

 * Australia
 * Argentina
 * Belize
 * Bolivia
 * Brazil
 * Canada
 * Costa Rica
 * Chile
 * England
 * Fiji
 * France
 * Germany
 * Guatemala
 * Honduras
 * Mauritius
 * Mexico
 * Nicaragua
 * Peru
 * Spain
 * United States of America
 * Uruguay

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User:(WT-en) Harleyridemelbourne

Phoenix Rising Motorcycle Tours based in Melbourne Australia was started by us, Terry & Christine about 8 years ago.

Phoenix Rising Motorcycles provide Harley Davidson Motorcycles for all occasions; Sightseeing Tours, Conference Activity Tours, Corporate Team Building, Corporate Product Launch, Winery Tours of the Mornington Peninsula and Yarra Valley, Great Ocean Road Tours, Short Joyrides, Airport Transfer with a difference, Major Events, Corporate Incentives & Motivation, Gift Certificates,

We can provide Double Sidecars to carry two people so it is an excellent idea for a romantic tour.

Phoenix Rising Motorcycle Tours are a member of the Victorian Motorcycle Tour Operators Association who in turn are a member of Tourism Alliance Victoria.

We are fully Licensed by the Victorian Taxi Directorate who issue us with an “S” Plate Registration which means we can legally carry passengers for remuneration and hold a DC Drivers Certificate similar to a Taxi Driver or Bus Driver. We carry full Public Liability Insurance. Phoenix Rising are focussed on Safety and Professionalism alongside with being able to provide full satisfaction within the realm of the fantasy of the “Biker” look and the “Harley Davidson” image to our customer.

Recently we did a huge Corporate Group pick up from Melbourne Tullamarine Airport. A marketing Agency in New Zealand were bringing 76 Ford Dealership Owners over for the launch of the new Ford. Logistically it was a lot of work, we had to communicate with Traffic Management at the Airport, who we must say were absolutely fantastic, we had so much co-operation, they were well aware that this was the largest “Harley Ride” done in Melbourne. Traffic Management provided a special holding area that we could assemble all the bikes, trikes, sidecars and Coach in, where we gave our briefing, they provided a special escort vehicle to us, we waited for the word from the group that they were coming out of customs and it was all systems go, from where I was sitting in the Coach travelling behind the group of about 30 Harleys with the Escort Vehicle up in front it was nothing less than spectacular.

The bikes pulled up right at the front door of International Arrivals with the Traffic Management guys doing their thing and keeping everything clear for us. We got quite a bit of attention from everyone at the airport. This was certainly not the everyday average thing at the Airport. Our passengers came out, the luggage was thrown into the coach and it was “All Systems Go!” The entourage pulled away down the Tullamarine Freeway and down to Albert Park Lake where we changed over the passengers from the bikes to the coach and visa versa. The second group had a Harley Tour around St Kilda, passed Luna Park and back to meet the first group at Crown Promenade where they were staying.

We also have had the pleasure of being involved in Major Events like the Melbourne 2005 Deaf Olympics Opening and Closing Ceremonies. Weather it is a 90 year old Birthday, a Wedding, a 50th Wedding Anniversary, whatever the occasion we feel privileged to be a part of making special occasions even more memorable for our customers, we put every effort into communication with our customers and other organisers involved in an event so that the outcome is stunning and without flaw.

This is an email from one of our customers; Hi Terry and Christine, Just a quick note to say THANK YOU so very much for your assistance and in making the fantastic pickup happen so flawlessly, and so professionally (and so dramatically!) yesterday. The feedback over the weekend has been nothing but awesome and I know it's because of the great way you guys started it off. The guys were so excited and they kept saying how awesome it was - even some of our  older, more cynical clients loved it!! Both myself and the team at XXXX Really really appreciate all your efforts in speaking to the airport and arranging the collection and in your fantastic and helpful attitude towards making this work for us. I know it was just an amazing day for all involved and I hope your team really enjoyed it too. I hope you managed some rest and shouted yourself a drink yesterday afternoon! I'm still going and have just put the last of our guys back on planes before heading back to XXXX tonight, so am planning to take a few days off. Thank you again for your help and in making this event work so well for us - we can't wait to see the DVD and share it with the clients so do let me know when you have that...and thanks for sending the pics in the meantime. We'll settle the invoice this week and thanks for your flexibility on the day. Speak soon, and have a great week. It was great to meet you and if we ever do client events in Melbourne again I know exactly where to come!

Words cannot explain how thrilled we are to get this sort of feedback from our customers, our main focus is on customer service, when our customers are happy then we know we have done a great job. If you would like to arrange a booking for a sightseeing tour, a short tour, half or full day tour please visit our website at Terry & Christine

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User:(WT-en) Haroldochstein

I have traveled extensively in the US, The Bahamas, and Israel. I have also spent time in Canada and Panama. My wife Margie and I have lived aboard our Sailboat for the last 9 years and traveled the East Coast of the US from Florida to New York and the Bahamas. We own Island Dreamer Sailing School in Miami. We specialize in teaching sailing to couples and families in week long live aboard trips to the Florida Keys.

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User:(WT-en) Harshith

If you would like to contact me Click Here

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User:(WT-en) Hartmann Schedel

a short "hi there" for the beginning. I will not often beeing here for timereasons and because I don't travel too much lately. But I think it's fair to have a name if I have a question or comment to something. Also, as you already found out while reading this, my english isn't very good. I would be glad if you use more "simple terms" when discussing with me

Enjoy your Days whereever you spend them -- (WT-en) Schedelchen 19:15, 19 August 2010 (EDT)

I forgot: my native Language is german -- (WT-en) Schedelchen 19:17, 19 August 2010 (EDT)

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User:(WT-en) Haruka

Sagamihara is a city in Kanagawa.

Get in
Visitors reach Sagamihara on the JR Yokohama Line at Kobuchi, Fuchinobe, Yabe, or Sagamihara stations.

See

 * Sagami Lake. A popular spot to see summer fireworks.

Eat
wakiaiai, Macdonald,Mr.donut,

Sumibiyakinikusyuka Gyuukaku 〒229-0031 3-2-3 sagamihara sagamiharashi 042-704-7729 5minets from sagamihara atation minamiguti

Drink
BUZZ, theech(ティーチ)

Domadoma 〒229-0031 prejidenntosagamihara 2-2-15 sagamihra sagamiharashi 042-730-3831 2minets from Sagamihara station

Torafugutei 〒229-0031 Dai2JSbiru 2-13-7 sagamihara sagamiharashi 042-751-5629 3minets from Sagamihra station

Yokohamatennkadori 〒229-0031 TakagibiruB1 3-3-7 sagamihara sagamiharashi 042-730-3422 3minets from Sagamihara station

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User:(WT-en) Hatashe

Hasanuzzaman Talukdar Shemul is a Wikiholic|Editor|Writer

Click Hatashe

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User:(WT-en) Hate usa

See also User:(WT-en) Korea dan and User:(WT-en) Ok and User:(WT-en) Xxxdanxxx and User:86.138.9.153

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User:(WT-en) Haukenes

Lifetime Resident of Boulder, CO USA

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User:(WT-en) Haven La Chance

Haven La chance Desert Hotel is a modern, comfortable hotel in Hassi Lybed, 4 km from Merzouga, owned by an American woman and a Berber man. They also run a tour company specialised in organising tours to and around Morocco.

Merzouga is a rendezvous point for visits to the Erg chebbi sand dunes, the biggest erg (dune field) in Morocco. The local population are mostly Berbers, long-term inhabitants of this region, who pre-date the arabs.

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User:(WT-en) Hawaii

Profile
My name is Jeremy Moseley. I currently reside in Waikiki, Hawaii. My profession is a freelance website designer, my site is Design Oahu. This has given me the freedom to travel at will, as all I need is my laptop and an internet connection. The idea of a travel wiki is wonderful, and I am looking forward to being able to contribute from my experiences. I am originally from Southern California, and have traveled in the mainland to Alaska, Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, Lake Tahoe, Reno, Las Vegas, Lake Havasu, Phoenix, Chicago, Boston, New York City, and Washington DC. In Mexico I have been to Tijuana, Ensenada, and Puerto Vallarta. In Japan I have been to Tokyo, Nagoya, Osaka, Kyoto, and Nara. I look forward to giving fellow travelers recommendations of places that I enjoyed along the way. Cheers to all and happy travels.

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User:HawkeyeFLA

Disclaimer
The views and opinions expressed on any post or page on this site are mine and mine alone, and do not necessarily represent or reflect those of The Walt Disney Company or any of its affiliates.

About
Okay, now that the disclaimer is out of the way, a brief introduction.

I've lived in Central Florida now for about 10 years. Worked at WDW for 5 of those. I'm a Military Brat and travelled extensively growing up. Lived in Europe for 9 years. Stateside I've lived in California, Illinois, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina. Love travelling so really excited to help out on here any way I can. Expect to see me all over the WDW pages keeping them accurate and relevant.

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User:(WT-en) Hawkeyesjitt

hi
--(WT-en) Hawkeyesjitt 07:53, 12 May 2011 (EDT)

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User:(WT-en) Haydenblakeley

auberge de jeunesse barcelone

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User:(WT-en) Hayfield

Back for now! --(WT-en) Hayfield 21:03, 22 November 2008 (EST)

I work mostly on sleep but i do vary sometimes i like creating new locations its fun really and check the rc all the time to see whats good! Thanks --(WT-en) Hayfield 21:33, 22 November 2008 (EST)

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User:(WT-en) Haythamghareeb

I was born in Egypt in 69. Moved to the US in 78. Grew up in Pittsburgh Pa. Moved back to Cairo in 83. Right now, I am living and working in the UAE. If you are ever in UAE, Al Ain and need anything, send me an email. I am always glad to help.

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Hi!

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User:(WT-en) HEAT

 * HEAT FLEXI HOLIDAYS ...Wholesale Tour Operator for Northeast Himalaya (India), A Siliguri based Tour & Travel managing Company, registered with Government of India, Department of Tourism, IATO(Indian Association of Tour Operators), TAAI (Travel Agents Association of India), PATA (Pacific Asia Travel Association), Government of West Bengal, Department of Tioursim, HRAEI (Hotel & Restaurant Association of Eastern India)& many other prestigious organisation, NATIONAL TOURISM AWARD winner for consecutively for two years 2004-05 & 2005-06, with offices at SILIGURI, KALIMPONG GANGTOK (Sikkim) & KOLKATA providing you support on : *Specialisation : Tours Operator for Groups & Individuals to Sikkim, Darjeeling and Northeast India * Logistic Support For Filming in Sikkim, Darjeeling & Northeast India * Operators for Trekking * Package Tours * Educational Tours * Pilgrimage Tours * Monastic Tours * Rafting * Jungle Safari * Destination Promotion and Tourism Consultancy * Inbound Tours, Adventure & Expedition Organiser * Special Interest Group to Sikkim, Darjeeling and Northeast India * Other Tour & Travel Related Service. FOR DETAILS CONTACT US ON Phone:(0091-353)-2504631, 2504632, 2504633, Fax: (0091-353)-2503630 MOBILE : 0091 9332086104 (Sujit Gupta)  E-mail: tours@heatflexiholidays.com On Line : heatleisure@hotmail.com  Website : www.heat.net.in WE ARE OPEN FROM MONDAY TO FRIDAY (INDIAN STANDARD TIME)FROM 0930 TO 1300 HRS & 1400 TO 1800 HRS. 1300 TO 1400 IS OUR LUNCH BREAK. ON SATURDAYS WE ARE OPEN FROM 0930 TO 1300 HRS. WE DO NOT WORK ON SUNDAYS.

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User:(WT-en) Heather

Heather James, http://nearlythere.com/

I grew up in the US (CT, MA, drove x-country) and I have lived in Taipei, Taiwan (2.5yrs) and for the past four years I have lived in northwest Ireland (Sligo, Donegal). I've traveled to many countries from these points, and I am constantly revising my understanding of the world.

I learned about WikiTravel through CommunityWiki and MeatballWiki

My Todo List
I've recently returned from a two week trip to Cuba with a friend (who had been there before) and his three daughters. There are some good resources on the web, but I wanted to contribute specifically to Wiki Travel and expand the information about Cuba.

 * Adding in photos of places we saw.
 * Descriptions of out-of-the-way but lovely Camagüey and Sanctus Spiritus which are not so heavily touristed.
 * Recommendations for casa particulares.
 * Tips and ideas for travelling in Cuba with children. (of which there is very little available on the web).
 * Some caveats for the traveler and corrections to information posted on other websites.

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User:(WT-en) Hedavid

I work on the German Wikivoyage Expedition, so the most of this text will be in German. My preferences are on European cities and landscapes.

Ich arbeite bereits seit einiger Zeit an der deutschen Wikipedia mit und habe vor, auch die deutschen Wikivoyage zu unterstützen.

Da meine Interessen besonders auf den europäischen Kontinent ausgerichtet sind, wird in dieser Richtung auch meine Arbeit gehen. --(WT-en) Hedavid 09:04, 5 Oct 2004 (EDT)

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User:(WT-en) Hedonist

My name is Milovan Mitrovic. I am the owner of Hedonist Hostel in Belgrade.

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User:(WT-en) Heikki

 * Nationality: Finland
 * Age: 26

Currently studying in Singapore and traveling around South-East Asia.

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User:(WT-en) Heimstern

I'm Heimstern at Wikipedia, too. Hope to help cleanup and improve guides, especially for Southern China.

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User:(WT-en) Helge123

(WT-en) Helge123 04:53, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

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User:(WT-en) Hellimli

Hi, I am a Turkish-Cypriot traveller living in London, UK. Having made my first overseas travel when I was only 6 months old, it is fair to say I caught the travel bug early on. My travels have taken me from US and Canada to most of Europe to Malaysia and Singapore in Asia to [so far] only Tunisia in Africa. I am keen to add more countries to the list of ones already visited as well as revisiting the ones I already have.

Hoping to contribute more to this site time permitting. I speak Turkish, English, some French, learning Greek and Finnish (todella uupeetaa!).

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User:(WT-en) Hellomezzy

So this is my userpage. I am new to this and still learning

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User:(WT-en) Hem21

Hello, I'm from Syria.

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User:(WT-en) Hemraj

Hi Good day every body          My self mr Hemraj I am business man  And deal in the   life insorance in max new york .''' pls cont. +9198170-35428

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User:(WT-en) Henri de Solages

Liberté plus haute: My personal web site (English version) Fiable.biz: Our professional web site (English version) Naming conventions

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User:(WT-en) Henry

Henry Schimke.

Location: Lincoln Nebraska. Occupation: Student / Web-Programming.

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User:(WT-en) Herbinz

Herman Badenhorst

Auckland, New Zealand

Giving as much as I get. I enjoy the contributions from all members.

Current Focus

We are currently planning a trip through Namibia. Any suggestions are most welcome.

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User:(WT-en) Herbythyme

Foundation wikis contributor mainly. See here for more info.

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User:(WT-en) Here

I'm heading to berlin April 2006. Look forward to assisting along the way.

wikipedia:user:here

see herebox.org for blog, photos, etc

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User:(WT-en) Herecometheclowns

I traveled Central and South America only a few years ago - before all the insta-info websites were up and running (Google Maps, Hostel Search Engines, Wiki's, Facebook)- and I had to rely on a paper guidebook and email. Seems fairly archaic now :)

I am in the midst of a South Pacific and Asia romp. I like the idea of laying down some additional tracks for travelers who come behind.

Dale Simpson

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User:(WT-en) Herenthere

Herenthere currently resides in the hustle and bustle of New York City.

=Favorite Destinations=

China
Beijing, Beijing

Hong Kong S.A.R., Hong Kong

Singapore
Singapore

United States
New York City, New York, New York (city)

Orlando, Florida, Orlando

Los Angeles, California, Los Angeles

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User:(WT-en) Heritagesvietnam

Vietnam tours-Information for Vietnam destinations,pictures,and useful travel tips,Vietnam custom package tours,Vietnam adventure tours,trekking tours,honeymoon specials and lots more!

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User:(WT-en) Hermansaksono

I live in Jogja. I have blog here.

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User:(WT-en) Herngong

Hello

I am a 香港 Hong Kong resident and have made a few contributions to Wikivoyage, especially to the various Hong Kong pages.

My Interests
I am a Geographer first and a traveller second. However, I would have to admit that, really, I am a vulgar tourist the same as everybody else. As a tourist, I struggle with the knowledge that my indulgences will bring changes to places I visit. So, I hope that we can help tourism to have some positive impacts on people.

I have done my bit to contribute to CO2 emissions by flying to:

Japan, China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Lao, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Australia, Kenya, Dubai, Egypt, 'Palestine' (Israel), Romania, Malta, Croatia, Czech Republic, Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Italy, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Belgium, France, Andorra, Spain, Ireland, England, Scotland, Wales, Canada, United States, Mexico, Cuba, Brazil and Nepal.

I struggle with the idea of going to Burma but it seems too tempting not to go before the hoards do. I would love to go to Tibet as soon as it becomes a country.

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User:(WT-en) Hero823

Franklin HONG from Formosa Taiwan

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User:(WT-en) Hessam

I'm Hessam M. Armandehi Visit my homepage for more info. http://cs.sharif.edu/~hessam

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User:(WT-en) Hexagonalman

hi

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User:(WT-en) Heythereholly

Hi, I'm Holly from the USA. I'm 20.

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User:(WT-en) Heyuka

Jordan Avery

Location Current: [Seattle], WA

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User:(WT-en) Hgh

Human growth hormone (HGH) is produced throughout your life from the pituitary gland -- the “command central” of all hormonal messages in your body. It is responsible for all adolescent growth peaks but greatly decreases to about 80% from ages 21 to 61. Studies found out however that HGH could be produced by the pituitary gland in about the same level as in one’s youth, if properly stimulated.

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User:(WT-en) Hgonzale

Flagroll: (15 countries and territories)

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User:(WT-en) HH16261

www.mhhegger.de

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User:(WT-en) Hhanke

Hi,

my name is Hynek Hanke, I'm 20 and I'm a physics student from Prague, Czech Republic. I'm a new member, so please be patient with me and don't fear to give hints or correct my mistakes on my talkpage.

I also contributed some content to Wikipedia, see my userpage. I'm a member of Hospitality Club under username: hhanke. I love travelling, meeting new people, hitchiking, hiking in the nature and doing physics. In my free time, I'm developing Free Software for the blind and visually impaired in the Free-b-Soft project.

Thanks for adding the NBI tp Copehagen. I work there -- (WT-en) elgaard 20:40, 2004 Sep 28 (EDT)

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User:(WT-en) HHRVB

Hershey Harrisburg Region is a two-county region in the state of Pennsylvania, USA. It is a core component of the nine-county region of Pennsylvania Dutch Country.

Cities

 * Harrisburg
 * Hershey

Other destinations

 * Dauphin County
 * Perry County

Links

 * Hershey Harrisburg Regional Visitors Bureau (HHRVB), Official Visitors Center promoting Dauphin and Perry Counties, 17 South 2nd Street, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, 17101, Phone: 877-727-8573, info@hersheyharrisburg.org

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User:(WT-en) HideSystem

Adana oto kiralama

www.gizemoto.net

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User:(WT-en) Hiexp2

Holiday Inn Express & Suites 11 Rocks Road Seabrook, NH (603) 474-1150

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User:(WT-en) Hillarypjenkins

Hillary Jenkins Programme Manager, Diploma in Applied Travel and Tourism Otago Polytechnic Dunedin New Zealand

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User:(WT-en) HiltonLafayette

The Hilton Lafayette hotel is south Louisiana's premier full-service hotel and conference center. Stay with the best in Lafayette for leisure enjoyment and the premier business address to meet with clients. We offer 327 guest rooms and suites and over 22,000 square feet of flexible event space. Hilton Lafayette is set on the banks of the Vermilion River, near downtown, and close to:

The Oil Center Lafayette Regional Airport University of Louisiana at Lafayette I-49/I-90 Corridor Visitors to Lafayette often come for the mouth watering cuisine, to enjoy the rich culture, and dance to the music. These can be experienced through:

Mardi Gras Downtown Alive Festival International Festival Acadien Guests of the Hilton Lafayette hotel can enjoy freshly prepared dishes with local flair for breakfast, lunch, and dinner at our on-site restaurant Alexander’s. For a late dinner, refreshing beverages, dancing, or a game of pool head over to our on-site lounge, Maximilian’s.

The Hilton Lafayette hotel aims to please the busy executive, the conference attendee, and the leisure traveler. Our guests can escape to their room which offers the Hilton Serenity package. Your stay can be enhanced by taking advantage of our:

Outdoor pool with an 800 square foot deck to enjoy the Louisiana sunshine 24-hour fitness center to relieve stress after a long day Wireless Internet access throughout the hotel to keep in touch with loved ones or the office The Hilton Lafayette hotel offers elegant ballrooms and conference rooms for groups of 5 to 1200 people. Our award-winning staff stands ready to help you with unique events such as a luau or a crawfish boil.

At the Hilton Lafayette hotel, charming Southern hospitality and unsurpassed Hilton service await you.

 * Travel should take you places!™********

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User:(WT-en) HIRO

Hello Obirin Students
Try to make a section like this on your own User Discussion page. It is really easy because you can click a few times and do it yourself.

Click "Edit" Copy this section Go to your User page Click Discussion Click Edit Paste

That's all. OK, let's try it.

About Me
Write a short introduction here. Make it friendly, but not too personal. Remember that everyone can see this. Avoid last names and personal information that people might use the wrong way. Make sure to tell places you have lived.

My Travel
I have visited these places:
 * Canada
 * America
 * Korea

My Travel Wishlist
I want to visit these places:
 * 1) Holland
 * 2) Thailand
 * 3) Indonesia

Experimental area
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User:(WT-en) Historian

Hello

I use the same user name on Wikipedia. I joined Wiktravel on July 27, 2005. For now I shall concentrate mainly on my home city, Kitakyushu which is much more pleasant, both to live in and visit, than many one-eyed guide books suggest.

My home page is here. My user page on Wikipedia is here.

Regards,

(WT-en) Historian 23:40, 31 Jul 2005 (EDT)

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User:(WT-en) Hitommy

Hi, I'm Hitomi. I am 2 years grade.

I'm majoring BM.

I'm from Ibaraki, now I live in Kobuchi, Sagamihara city.

I like listen to music. I often listen R&B.

I like eating food very much! I necesarry sweets everyday!

Hello Obirin Students
Try to make a section like this on your own User Discussion page. It is really easy because you can click a few times and do it yourself.

Click "Edit" Copy this section Go to your User page Click Discussion Click Edit Paste

That's all. OK, let's try it.

About Me
Write a short introduction here. Make it friendly, but not too personal. Remember that everyone can see this. Avoid last names and personal information that people might use the wrong way. Make sure to tell places you have lived.

My Travel
I have visited these places:
 * China
 * Hokkaido
 * Osaka

My Travel Wishlist
I want to visit these places:
 * 1) Hawaii
 * LA
 * 1) France

Experimental area
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User:(WT-en) Hit-travels

HIT-TRAVELS (PT. Highlight Indonesia Tours & Travel) is an inbound tour company located on the island of Lombok, West Nusa Tenggara Province, Indonesia, and the company was established in 2006 and one of the member of ASITA (Association of Indonesia Tours and Travel Agencies).

HIT-TRAVELS offers the following services: 1). Hotel reservations 2). Domestic ticketing services 3). Transportation services 4). Cultural tours 5). Adventure tours 6). Tailor-made packages throughout Indonesia 7). Shore excursion services for worldwide cruises 8). Honeymoon package 9). MICE

HIT-TRAVELS Contact Address: PT. Highlight Indonesia Tours & Travel Jl. Senopati Raya No.11 Cakranegara 83232, Lombok Island West Nusa Tenggara Province, Indonesia Tel: +62-370-6160653 | 6627947 Fax: +62-370-6160534 Email: hit-travel2@centrin.net.id | haris@hit-travels.com | hit.travel2@gmail.com Yahoo Messenger: haris3164@yahoo.co.id Skype: haris-hit-travels

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User:(WT-en) Hjddmsh

Countries and Territories Visited
Xiamen,Longyan,Sanming
 * China:

Sentosa,Chinatown,Singapore/Marina Bay,Singapore River,Orchard Road,Singapore/Bugis,Southern Ridges Walk
 * Singapore:

Malacca,Johor Bahru,Cameron Highlands
 * Malaysia:

Phuket,Ko Phi Phi
 * Thailand:

Countries and Territories to Visit Soon

 * Bali,Indonesia
 * Angkor Wat,Cambodia
 * ClubMed Kani,Maldives

Countries and Territories to Visit in the Future

 * Hong Kong,China

 * Macau,China

 * Taipei,Taiwan

 * Jiuzhaigou, Chengdu,China

 * Tibet,China

 * Taj Mahal, India

 * Paris, France

 * Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam

 * Bangkok,Thailand

 * Vientiane,Laos

 * Yangon,Burma

 * Manila,Philippines

External Link
My photo albums at Picasa: http://picasaweb.google.com/hongjindui

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User:(WT-en) Hjorten

DENMARKIAN......

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User:(WT-en) HJ.Phillips94

Docent
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User:(WT-en) Hkn

Hi,

I'm Hakan. I travel. If it's possible to buy a ticket, it's highly likely that I'll go there. I live in Stockholm and I don't own a TV.

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User:(WT-en) Hkurniawan

Name: Helmi Kurniawan

Location: Singapore

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User:(WT-en) HLM

I've already been an active editor on the English Wikipedia. My current travel project is Mexico. I like to travel by bicycle. During May/June 2007 I will be traveling in Mexico by bicycle.

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User:(WT-en) Hmfrancis

Laos. Cambodia. Singapore. Thailand. Burma. Vietnam. Indonesia. Malaysia. I love South East Asia.

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User:(WT-en) HM Safaris

HM Safaris is a safari and leisure activities tour operator focused exclusively on tourism in Tanzania. HM Safaris provides a superior safari experience by hand picking the best, most professional tour guides available. We know that the critical element distinguishing a good safari from an unforgettable one is, without a doubt, the tour guide. The lodging, vehicle and food are, of course also critical, but if the guide is not personable, passionate and extremely knowledgeable about their surroundings, the journey loses its magic. Each of our expert guides has a minimum of 13 years’ experience and has been hand selected by an HM Safari owner and operator. We take the worry and anxiety out of safari planning - hakuna matata! A safari holiday can be one of the most expensive trips a person will take in their lifetime. Selecting the best, most reputable operator can be a stressful process and information on the various offerings is difficult to obtain. Everyone at Hakuna Matata Safaris has been on safari and has organized a safari. We know the anxiety involved in selecting the best destinations and in determining the right safari guide. Hakuna Matata is a phrase you will often hear in Tanzania, where the locals are generally laid back and relaxed, and it is what we say to you when you work with us to plan and create your dream safari.

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User:(WT-en) Hobbittr

I live in Kaş Turkey about 190 km from Antalya on the south coast of Turkey. (WT-en) Hobbittr 09:04, 3 December 2009 (EST)HobbitTR

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User:(WT-en) Hockeyman001

Native resident of New York City, New York, United States of America.

Please use the Discussion page if you have anything to say to me.

Languages
American English (Fluent - Native) Spanish (Some - Intermediate) Slovak (Beginner - Learning)

Austria

 * Salzburg
 * Vienna (Wien)

Croatia

 * Zagreb

Slovakia

 * Bratislava

Slovenia

 * Ljubljana

United States of America
State of Connecticut (CT)
 * Branford
 * East Haven

State of Hawaii (HI)
 * Honolulu

State of Maryland (MD)
 * Baltimore

State of New York (NY)
 * Brant Lake
 * New York City
 * North Salem
 * Stephentown

State of Rhode Island (RI)
 * Cranston
 * Providence
 * Warwick

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talk:celle

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User:(WT-en) Hohohob

Hi I'm Ben. I am known as Hohohob around the internets.

This is an account using OpenID.

I am more active on Wikipedia and its Commons.

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