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Talk:New Mexico

I took out the "Local travel guides" section of this region page. I'm not sure I understood what it was supposed to signify. All the cities and sub-regions listed in a region guide are also travel guides. Is there something I'm missing here? --(WT-en) Evan 17:24, 28 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Regions
I borrowed the regions from the New Mexico tourist map (http://www.newmexico.org/explore/index.php). There's probably some better terms for these regions, or more traditional regions, but these will have to do for now. --(WT-en) Evan 18:57, 11 Feb 2005 (EST)

 * These region categories are just fine, and match the way we New Mexicans think of the place, as well as realities of topography. The North Central and Southwestern regions are sufficiently diverse to justify some further breakout, and some of the others may be too.  (Remember, most of these regions are about the size of South Carolina or Austria.)  I'm working on the North Central, which I know well enough to make sensible subregions, but could use some help on the others. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:02, 19 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * Since there are no disambiguation pages for the various regions I'm going to dis-disambiguate them. -- (WT-en) Mark 02:38, 25 February 2006 (EST)

"Cities," so to speak
The only community in New Mexico that most of the world would recognize as remotely city-size (and even then with some condescension from dwellers in NYC, Mexico City, Jakarta, etc.) is Albuquerque. Several of the others listed (Santa Fe, Los Alamos, Taos, maybe Las Cruces and Roswell) are important enough in popular culture to merit a separate listing despite their town-like size, but I really wonder whether it's to the point to mention the rest unless there's either a separate article for them already, or a lack of anywhere else to mention them. I've taken the liberty of removing the (nonexistent) Las Vegas link in favor of mentioning the town as part of the Sangre de Cristo Mountains, for which it is a portal, there being not a lot else about the place that's particularly notable. Opinions on this? Should the practice continue with some of the other towns and villages listed? Does anybody care? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:33, 19 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * I believe the standard policy is that the most important cities are listed in the top-most article, with less important cities moved to the sub-regions. Have a look at California, Bay Area (California) and East Bay (Bay Area) for a good example of how the granularity should increase as the region size decreases. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 18:45, 19 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * That's consistent with what I'm proposing. (Got a chuckle, btw, out of the notion that Livermore is a "city" in the East Bay -- I travel there a lot, and it fits a different definition of "city" than the ones I know of!  Yet it is larger than any of those second-tier places I mentioned except maybe Las Cruces, and VASTLY larger than several of the ones listed as "cities" in the article.)  Perhaps moving, redirecting, etc., will make sense as some of the "region" pages for NM get filled out. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:52, 19 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * We've kind of opted for generality over accuracy for the "cities" listings in regions. I don't think we've come up with a good word that means "cities, towns, villages, hamlets, unincorporated communities, settlements, camps, etc." The closest we've got in the English language (and particularly in American English) is "city". It's unfortunate, but there's just not another word. We do use it pretty regularly even for the smallest towns (think of city hall, city services, city limits), but it unfortunately causes some confusion. For some areas, we've switched the "cities" header to "towns" or "villages" where it makes sense. I don't think over-accuracy in the headers is helpful; for example, changing "Cities" in New Mexico to "A city, several towns, and a few villages" is just clumsy.

 * We're supposed to have one-line descriptions of each "city" after the city link, so that might be a good place for more precise descriptions of the size of the settlement. --(WT-en) Evan 19:22, 19 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * City is a great term, and nicely fits anything over a few hundred people. There are also really good words for larger cities, like "Big City", "Huge City", "Gigantic Megalopolis", and "Tokyo" in approximately that order. -- (WT-en) Mark 02:44, 25 February 2006 (EST)

OK, so how about principal cities?
I see that someone has added Rio Rancho, for which we have no article, to the "Cities" list, on the grounds that it's the "(s)econd largest city" in the state. I am not sure that a Rio Rancho is appropriate, however, on the grounds that it's an Albuquerque suburb and things there may be best treated in the Albuquerque article. Opinions? I can argue on either side of this one; John P, I'd be very interested in your view. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 17:20, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

 * Someone added Taos to the cities list today, which brings the list to ten. However, Taos is a big draw for tourists, so rather than just remove it, would anyone be opposed for swapping out Las Vegas (New Mexico) or Los Alamos, which as far as I'm aware is a much less important town for travel purposes?  Alternately, would swapping out another one of the cities for Taos make more sense? -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:40, 14 July 2011 (EDT)

 * No one has commented on this, so I'm going to go ahead and remove Los Alamos for now. If anyone disagrees about this, we can discuss here about what to swap out. (WT-en) texugo 07:31, 19 October 2011 (EDT)

Orienteer
On 12 December 2010 an anon editor cut-and-pasted a big chunk of text here from Orienteering in New Mexico, leaving that page as a redirect. I'm not sure so much detail belongs here. How about moving it back to where it was before? 67.100.204.219 21:09, 16 December 2010 (EST)

 * Could some of it not just move down into the regional/city articles. All we need to mention here is that orienteering is possible, and the places that it can be done.  --(WT-en) inas 21:13, 16 December 2010 (EST)

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Talk:New Mexico Pueblos

Image
This article is shaping up nicely. I did an image search on pueblos and there's not a lot out there in the public domain that hasn't been ripped off from other sources and isn't in copy vio. I did, however, find a decent one. It's got a dual license, with Creative Commons Attribution 2.5. Keep up the good work! (WT-en) WineCountryInn 23:20, 1 February 2009 (EST)

 * Thank you! It's still got a ways to go, but I'm glad you like it so far. I did a little search around Wikimedia commons, and I think I'd rather use this image instead, since it's under just one license, and it's a compatible one. Plus I like the angle from the bank of the river. (WT-en) PerryPlanet Talk 23:45, 1 February 2009 (EST)

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Talk:New Orleans

New Orleanese
How to pronounce place names and other local names (e.g., Creole dishes, the Ramos Gin Fizz, etc.) in New Orleans is a common question in travel forums, since the pronunciations here are all such interesting interpretations of French. Our wiki format might be ideal for creating a more comprehensive list than found in TripAdvisor forum threads. Any opinions on whether a travel topic on New Orleanese would be worth creating? It would be of use to me, at least. --Peter Talk 02:01, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Definitely. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:21, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * As with many subtopics, it may be best to start it here in-article, and only when it grows too large talk about splitting it off into a separate document. LtPowers (talk) 13:06, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I got it started. There are plenty more weird ones, most of which I haven't yet figured out! If others can think of more that need clarifying, please add them to the list, or mention them here and I'll ask someone. If spinning it out to a travel topic, I think it might be worth splitting the list into categories: places, streets, culinary, etc. --Peter Talk 23:28, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Is this actually true?
"Bar bouncers are allowed to kill and injure people with impunity, so don't tangle with them."

Really? Can anyone verify this? Ground Zero (talk) 11:56, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:New Orleans/7th, 8th, and Upper 9th Wards

Title grammar
Sorry to be a grammar stickler, but I find it really irritatingly incorrect for it to read "seven eight and ~ ninth". Cardinal and ordinal numbers should not be mixed like that, and commas are needed as well. It should correctly read "7th, 8th, and Upper 9th Wards". Can we rename it again please? (WT-en) texugo 11:39, 27 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Okay, I'll do so. (I guess I should have waited longer for feedback on the proposed move on the New Orleans talk page).  I was trying to keep it as short as practical for simplicity, but I certainly wasn't intending to inflict any pain on grammar sticklers.  Cheers and thanks. (WT-en) Infrogmation 11:46, 27 June 2011 (EDT)
 * I was actually thinking New Orleans/7th Ward-St Roch, while fuzzier, might be a better name. Upper 9th makes me immediately think Bywater. I'll defer to your judgment, though, since I've obviously spent much less time in the city. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:20, 27 June 2011 (EDT)

Boundaries
One other question, do you think the entries we have on Broad St (right on the border: Broad St Cafe, McHardy's, Domino Sound Records Shack) should stay in the Mid-City article or go into this one? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:26, 27 June 2011 (EDT)

 * Yes, I think Broad is the best dividing line. Domino Sound Records -- on Bayou Road? Definitely "7th Ward".  There's a nice cafe right across the street, "Black Coffee Cafe". That's a part of the old 7th Ward that's actually doing better than much of it. I have a few more things I'll add about area. (WT-en) Infrogmation 20:23, 27 June 2011 (EDT)


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Talk:New Orleans/Algiers

News
The news update on the hurricane effects were reverted, not because it isn't good information, but because it isn't necessarily appropriate for this site. Travel advisories are fine, but a detailed news report about how one family is dealing with a tragedy is better suited for wikinews. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 01:30, 2 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Crafts market
Is the Arts & Crafts Market still running? I can't find any information on it outside of Wikivoyage, including on the linked website. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:58, 26 June 2011 (EDT)

 * Hm. I haven't been back there in 2 years I think. A quick search does show a few web mentions example but those may be out of date. There's no mention of it at Algiers Point Association website, so I'm guessing it's gone. I'll remove it. (It can be added back if we find it happening still/again.) Thanks, (WT-en) Infrogmation 01:27, 27 June 2011 (EDT)

More closed listings
The two listings below appear to be closed. Broken websites, unable to reach by phone:

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--(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:30, 16 July 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:New Orleans/Bywater

I strongly suggest removing this silly warning. Philadelphia just recorded 11 murders over the weekend. Va. Tech recorded 33 homicides over several hours. Please quit stereotyping New Orleans as a crime-ridden crater on the gulf coast. It is a double-standard and is atrociously unfair. That is all.

 * I think Wikivoyage has been quite fair in supporting NOLA as a travel destination. It was a destination of the month a couple years ago, and we've kept it as one of the nine featured cities on the United States of America page, even in the face of snarky comments that it had been "destroyed" by Katrina.  The Understand section of the main page goes out of its way to assure people that it's still a great place to visit.  I don't know the current situation in Bywater, and maybe the warning can be further toned down to just a comment in the "Stay safe" section.  But if there's a part of town in any city that's generally unsafe for tourists, we ought to advise them of it. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 11:43, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

Removed Warning

I went ahead and removed the warning. The fear of crime in many parts of New Orleans (not all) is currently debatable and should be considered a political topic, not a fact. Especially not worthy of a warning. That warning certainly violated the NPOV standard.

If someone thinks it is important enough to detail, then one should write a NPOV paragraph explaining the "crime issues"- a debate that has many facets of opinion and few "facts".

In the end, a traveler has as much of a chance of encountering crime in Bywater than they do in most areas of most large cities. At best you could call that an "opinion". Hence, I've relegated this opinion to the talk section. The crime warning, right now, is essentially an "opinion", as well. Hence, it is removed.

 * There is no "NPOV standard" on Wikivoyage; this is not Wikipedia. A travel guide is inherently going to include opinions; that's kind of the whole point of the project.  So rather than demanding NPOV, our standard is Be Fair.  A warning box advising people that the crime sitation was bad in late 2006, and to check what the current situation is, is hardly unfair, especially since our other guiding principle is that the needs of the traveller come first. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 11:12, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

Although my research indicates that crime in Bywater is still a problem, the same appears to be true of the entire city, with violent-crime rates up dramatically, even over just a year ago. With that in mind, I'm going to focus on strengthening the warnings on the main New Orleans page, as opposed to tending to bruised egos and dubious arguments here. Might I suggest that rather than devoting time to sweeping Bywater's crime problem under the rug, that you try adding information to this article and the main NOLA article. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 19:33, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

 * FYI: Bywater has gentrified a good deal since Katrina. Since much of the area did not flood, housing values and rents have increased. Where as it was mostly bohemian types and young professionals, I'm seeing more and more young families with children. Many of the homes have been nicely renovated. By looking at the crime maps on the NOPD site it's clear that most of the tourist crime happens in the FQ. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 98.164.85.50 (talk • contribs)

Copyvio
An anonymous editor dumped the following in place of the Understand section. It's a copyvio from the Houston Chronicle, an article entitled "Harmony in the Bywater", which has some useful information which might be incorporated - but not copied - into the guide. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 11:54, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

"There are plenty of bars, restaurants and a few galleries. But for now there are no T-shirt emporiums clamoring for the tourist dollar and no typical attractions. Instead, something intangible, like a cosmic frequency heard only by a lucky few, is drawing like-minded souls to this bohemian little enclave." . . . "Bywater, New Orleans third-oldest neighborhood, dates to the early 1800s, and stands just down river from the first- and second-oldest districts, the French Quarter and the Faubourg Marigny. Many of Bywater's artists and musicians moved there from the Marigny, driven out when tourists, clubs and restaurants began pouring in and real estate prices soared."

. . . ". . . B.J.'s, one of three neighborhood bars comprising what locals have dubbed "the Bar-muda Triangle." The other two are Vaughan's and Sugar Park Tavern, all close enough to eliminate the need to drink and drive (though some patrons do pedal over on bikes)." . . . "Vaughan's may be the best-known of Bywater's many bars, thanks to the long-standing Thursday night gig by righteous trumpeter Kermit Ruffins and his Barbecue Swingers. A native son, Ruffins has recorded numerous albums (including the just-released Putamayo Presents: Kermit Ruffins) and toured the world. But he always comes home, and he always draws a crowd of fans, music students and occasional famous guests. A few, like jazz musician and composer Wynton Marsalis, come to sit in with the band; others, like actor Jude Law, recently in town to shoot a film, come to listen and soak in the sublimely ramshackle surroundings. . . . "The latest newcomers have brought change. There is Bacchanal, an instantly popular wine shop with hundreds of labels, terrines and gourmet cheeses. Several good restaurants, such as Elizabeth's and The Joint, have joined old standards Restaurant Mandich and Jack Dempsey's. There are galleries, yoga studios and shopping ops for beautiful cast-glass at Studio Inferno and vintage everything at the eclectic Bargain Center." . . . "Many are out-of-towners who stumbled on the neighborhood on visits to New Orleans and fell in love with the magic of the place -- and real estate prices half of what they'd expect back home." . . . "Lisa Rahon and John Delamater, whose brand-new but already popular Lookout Inn is only a couple of blocks from the river, believe they're at the right place at the right time. So does Carina Gale, who manages another inn -- the Mazant Guest House -- a welcoming 1870s home popular with Europeans and other value-minded visitors. Gale has overseen recent refreshing of the Mazant's 11 guest rooms and she, too, sees Bywater becoming a destination for travelers looking for something different in New Orleans."*

Country club
The Country Club is gay friendly? It should be described as straight friendly. I changed it. It is a gay club. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 192.135.177.251 (talk • contribs)
 * It is heavily, but not exclusively gay. Yes, such places shouldn't be described as simply "straight friendly" if it is not first made clear that it is also "gay friendly". :-) -- (WT-en) Infrogmation 14:28, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

Bud Rip's
I'm removing the below listing from the article for now:

 * Old New Orleans White working-class neighborhood bar (really old--1860s old). No sign out front; they don't care if anyone who doesn't already know where it is can find it. Cold Bud on draft. Open 7 days a week. Big screen TV's to watch "DA SAINTS".

My concern is Bud Rips' tradition of being a "whites" place not welcoming to people of color. (Despite whatever reputation this part of the US may have, that actually isn't so common anymore.) The listing was added by anon 32.179.64.142; their only contribution. I've been uncomfortable with it, and reworded it a bit, but without confronting the issue. I can't find anything about it online, but I've heard it repeatedly by local word of mouth. (The only time I've ever been in there is on Mardi Gras Day, when they supposedly suspend their usual policy briefly, in part for the sake of a walking parade with an integrated brass band that makes a beer stop here.) If we get reports, for example, that African-Americans have recently visited and gotten friendly service, I'd be happy to put the listing back in. Meanwhile, I really don't think we should have a listing for any place that couldn't be freely visited by people regardless of their color/background. -- (WT-en) Infrogmation 15:05, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

Geotagging
Sadly next to none of the listings here have geo-coordinates. Apparently back in the day when this was ranked "guide" we preferred hand drawn maps over dynamic maps. Is this still so? Is an article with no coordinates better than one that has them? Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:05, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:New Orleans/Carrollton

Hi, I fixed the link to the great restaurant Brigtsen's in the splurge section, it was spelled wrong both in the name and link. Great job on all these pages, i must say!

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Talk:New Orleans/French Quarter

So, I've tried to bring this page in line with the Project:district article template, but there's still a lot to do. Almost all the listings need to reformatted to conform with Project:restaurant listings, Project:attraction listings, and Project:bar listings. --(WT-en) Evan 15:49, 29 May 2004 (EDT)

Worthless
This article is so out of date as to be completely useless. Some of the places listed haven't been open since Katrina. I'll make edits as I can but since 85% of the recommendations here so far have led to places that are out of business, I suggest starting from scratch. --(WT-en) Davidc 02:17, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

 * From a travel-writing update perspective, Katrina is a hellish problem (for some other perspectives as well...). I think some quick deletions may indeed be in order, although I would think that would be less true for the French Quarter than for much of the city. Be sure to check the most prominent/interesting listings before removing them. Calling/checking online is usually the fastest way to check. Good luck working on this—looks like a tough, but really useful project. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:12, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

 * Certainly no where near "85%". Substantial updates have been made, both adding and subtracting places. Take a look at the article history and see the changes since before the disaster.  I'm a local who gets to the Quarter fairly regularly and have changed a number of things, and others have been changed by others. I'm not much up on hotels (unless I happen to see one I walk or drive by has closed) so some of that may be out of date, but a quick skim of everything else in the article looks like at least 90% verifiably still there as of earlier this month. The "start from scratch" reccomendation seems inappropriate hyperbole. Feel free to improve. Anything that is wrong, please remove or correct. I've put back Donnas-- perhaps you're right that they're gone; I'm out of town for a couple days and can't check right now, but I see no indication of that on the web nor have I heard anything, and should Donna's shut down for good it would be pretty big news in the New Orleans jazz community. (Perhaps they were closed for vacation when you went by?) Cheers, -- (WT-en) Infrogmation 18:29, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I drove by Donna's today. Sure enough, a sign on the door notes they're closed for vacation for August. (That can happen with small independently run businesses anywhere; not Katrina related. Sorry you missed them.) Cheers, -- (WT-en) Infrogmation 20:00, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Closed listings
FQ Pizzeria closed: --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:52, 13 April 2012 (EDT)
 * Full italian menu, nationally recognized pizza, full bar, live music, open for lunch, dinner and late night snacks, everything made from scratch.

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Talk:New Orleans/Jazz Fest

vfd?
errr, this is a new thing. We haven't had a event subpage so far and I think there has been previous discussions about only using subpages for Huge City districts. And the info in this page isn't presented all that great either. Arguments for not vfding this puppy? (WT-en) Majnoona 19:59, 28 February 2006 (EST)

 * yeah, I don't know what I was thinking. I may be going to Houston for a few months and have been thinking about going to the Jazz Fest. Saw the one on Mardi Gras and just jumped in. After I started it, I knew it was a mistake. This one should be deleted. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 07:48, 1 March 2006 (EST)
 * No worries, it's not like it's not a reasonable idea... we just want to avoid mixing geography / topic stuff. I'm gonna go look at the Mardi Gras one too actually... (WT-en) Majnoona 10:07, 1 March 2006 (EST)
 * I was thinking about the one on Mardi Gras too, but maybe we should wait a few weeks on it to distance us from the event. Although I have to admit the page is well done and it would be hard to fit all that stuff on New Orleans. Of course the problem is, it sent me on the slippery slope and it could do the same to others. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 10:16, 1 March 2006 (EST)

vfd discussion
Copied from Project:Votes for deletion:

 * Delete. I made this one in a fit of supidity yesterday. We don't do festivals. I got caught in the moment. ha! The good information will be moved to the main page. This fest and others on the main page have been unlinked. --
 * Redirect to New Orleans once its done --(WT-en) Ravikiran 14:48, 3 March 2006 (EST)
 * Keep. I agree with the reasoning on Talk:New_Orleans/Mardi_Gras.  (WT-en) Jonboy 14:52, 3 March 2006 (EST)
 * No consensus has been reached for this one yet. I don't disagree that it could become an article worth its own page, but at the moment don't think it's there yet and would therefore vote redirect to New Orleans if/until the article is needed. -- (WT-en) Ryan 02:53, 19 March 2006 (EST)

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Talk:New Orleans/Lakeview and Lakeshore

Question? Could someone share with me a time frame of the lakefront re-opening to the citizens, or has it become a private lake,no more picnics, bbq's, games, kite flying,family gatherings, riding or driving the complete lake from one end to the other. As a New Orleanian and tax payer, I missed the lakefront I grew up with. Please Help me understand Why only a small area of the west end is open? It really is an asset to New Orleans, to be enjoyed by all.

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Talk:New Orleans/Lower 9th Ward

The map has Sankofa on Claiborne Avenue; it should be on St. Claude. (WT-en) Infrogmation 18:31, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

 * Fixed. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:20, 25 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Thanks! (WT-en) Infrogmation 17:52, 26 June 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:New Orleans/Other parts of town

Why should this be merged into the New Orleans article? It lists neighborhood attractions not covered in the other neighborhood/section articles. Wondering, (WT-en) Infrogmation 20:13, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

 * A few reasons why I have tagged this article:

 * 1) It does not follow the Manual of Style. This article is listed by neighborhood, and this is not the way the MoS prescribes. We should have listings like Understand, Get in, Get around, See, Do, Buy, Eat, Drink, Sleep, etc. In the current form, this article cannot go on like this.
 * 2) The name is particularly weird. "Other parts of town"? Is there something that unites these regions? It feels a bit like this district, and maybe the whole district scheme of New Orleans, is not well-thought-out. What about a renaming of the article to New Orleans/East?
 * 3) There shouldn't be a "other parts of town article", instead, when districting we should make sure that the whole city is covered. Just look at San Francisco, Chicago or Bangkok to see what I mean.

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 04:15, 1 September 2010 (EDT)

 * Thanks for the feedback. I spun off 3 new district articles, and merged the rest into existing articles. Cheers, (WT-en) Infrogmation 23:26, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:New Orleans/Tremé

You all do realize how absurd it is to insist--twice--how safe the community is, then tell people not to wear jewelry or cameras and advise them that they may feel uncomfortable unless they take a cab at night or limit their day to "generally safe" events with lots of people around? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 66.210.236.67 (talk • contribs) 13:28, 25 April 2008

Thanks for the recent work on the article, folks! Note: I'm restoring the listing for Mother in Law Lounge here. Yes, for boundary sticklers it's a couple blocks out of Treme; but moving it to Mid-City makes even less sense, since it's about a mile or more from the attractions of that area. Until/unless we have a separate article for, say, 7th Ward & St. Roch, I think this is better place for it, at it is both geographically and culturally much closer. (WT-en) Infrogmation 16:31, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

Free NPS guided tours of St. Louis Cemetery #1
Is the NPS still offering these? There is no mention of it on their website, they just mention a free guided tour of the riverfront. (WT-en) Eco84 13:16, 3 September 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:New Orleans Mardi Gras

I'm not 100% convinced that Mardi Gras in New Orleans is worth making an exception to Project:What is an article?. Ideas? --(WT-en) Evan 17:05, 24 May 2004 (EDT)

 * Sorry if this is not the proper format here. Do you reccomend moving it back to the "New Orleans" article? My reasons for split were 1)I plan to expand the New Orleans article more (and have started doing so) 2)The Mardi Gras info is not of much relvence for people visiting New Orleans 50 & 1/2 weeks a year. Perhaps this  should be "New Orleans/Mardi Gras"? -- eagar to help and to learn, (WT-en) Infrogmation 17:40, 24 May 2004 (EDT)

 * Huh, looks like this was forgotten, but the recent New Orleans/Jazz Fest made me come look. I'm gonna belatedly second Evan's question. I think this is a Project:Slippery slope as it sets a precident for other event sub pages.
 * Mixing geography / topics is a bad idea, at least until we have some way to mark article types. Mixing types totally confuses any attempt to use our breadcrumbs as geographical hierarchies and we run the risk of having orphaned and/or duplicate content (ie are some hotels only here? only on a district page? only on the main page?).
 * I suggest the content be moved into the main article. If you think than this would make the article 'too long', please see the discussion on Project:Article templates. (WT-en) Majnoona 10:13, 1 March 2006 (EST)

 * I took a look at Rio and Carnival is integrated nicely there. I do think Mardi Gras is important to New Orleans as well as the Jazz Fest (don't ya just love that city), but we should think about and discuss putting this in the main article. I don't think there is a rush, we can discuss it. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 10:34, 1 March 2006 (EST)

 * I'm going to question you both! Project:What is an article? specifically calls out big festivals, like Mardi Gras. I'm not sure if this subpage format is correct, but I think we should have Mardi Gras (and Jazz Fest) in a separate article. --(WT-en) Evan 10:45, 1 March 2006 (EST)

 * I question your questioning sir! Ok, actually I agree with you. Or at least do not disagree. I'm fine with having seperate pages for big events, just wonder about how much back-and-forth there's going to be about how big an event has to be -- Mardi Gras sure (uh, and there's the fact that there's more than just NO!), Expo 2005 yes, Napa Valley Mustard Festival no? What about the Penticton Peachfest? Where do we draw the line? (WT-en) Majnoona 13:28, 1 March 2006 (EST)

Article title
I think there is a problem with the recent move of this article from "New Orleans/Mardi Gras" to "Mardi Gras". The problem is that Mardi Gras is also celebrated elsewhere, and this article is New Orleans specific. If the "/" slash convention shouldn't be used here per naming conventions, perhaps moving this to a title like "New Orleans Mardi Gras" or "Mardi Gras in New Orleans"? Other thoughts? -- (WT-en) Infrogmation 12:15, 22 January 2008 (EST)

 * I moved it because we generally only use the slash to denote a district of a city... but if you think it needs to be New Orleans specific then either of your suggestions above sound good! – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 00:11, 23 January 2008 (EST)

 * Ok, I moved it to New Orleans Mardi Gras – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 01:07, 26 January 2008 (EST)

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Talk:New Plymouth

By car
I copied the wonderful description about getting into New Plymouth by car to Taranaki because it is relevant to the whole region. I then trimmed it down to being about getting in from other towns in the region, with a brief mention of the major gateway towns to the region. I think the detail should be covered in the region's get around section. -- (WT-en) Huttite 08:10, 8 Jan 2005 (EST)

Population?
The article currently has "New Plymouth is the main centre of the Taranaki region, which has a total population of around 100,000." I read that as saying the population of the region is 100,000. If it is supposed to mean the city, then change "which" to "and". I have to ask because I am not sure of the actual population. Pashley (talk) 10:00, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You were reading it right. I have added the pop of the city (half that of the region). Nurg (talk) 20:19, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Newport (Pembrokeshire)

There is already an article on Newport, albeit a not very good one. This page should redirect to Newport as Trefdraeth and Newport appear to be one and the same. (WT-en) Shep 16:20, 24 March 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Newport (Rhode Island)

This is coming along nicely! (WT-en) Maj and I are planning a trip south before it gets too cold -- this sounds like a great place to stop. And now we have a good guide to use! -- (WT-en) Evan 13:40, 29 Oct 2003 (PST)

 * Thanks. We spent a weekend there in June.  It's a beautiful town, and nice off-season too.(WT-en) Hanzo 05:06, 30 Oct 2003 (PST)

New banner?
Current one is a little too busy imho. New one features some of the mansions the town is famous for. ButteBag (talk) 17:50, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I prefer the current one, which to me is more festive. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:55, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, here's another with a totally different vibe. ButteBag (talk) 00:51, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I prefer 2, 0 and then 1. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 00:53, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I suppose The Breakers is unique to Newport, but I still prefer the overview of the current banner. 0, 2, 1. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:15, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Newport Beach

Eh?
"Television enthusiasts will recognize the resemblance to "The O.C." television show, and not just by virtue of its location in Orange County, California."

This show isn't even filmed in Orange County, let alone Newport Beach. How will people recognize it if it's filmed in Malibu? --(WT-en) Lyght 18:22, 12 October 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:New River and Greenbrier Valleys

This region contains the following counties:

 * Fayette
 * Greenbriar
 * McDowell
 * Mercer
 * Monroe
 * Raleigh
 * Summers
 * Wyoming

(WT-en) Fastestdogever 09:56, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Newry

Really great start! Good info and well-written! One thing though-- I'm a little confused by the amount of Belfast info-- should that be on the Belfast page or are Newry & Belfast sort of the same place? Sorry I don't know the area at all! (WT-en) Majnoona 09:42, 20 Jul 2004 (EDT)

 * Whoah -- User:(WT-en) Professorbiscuit's last edit just pretty much gutted the article. Somebody with a clue about the region (not me) should go through the last revision before this and rescue content for Belfast or Newry as appropriate. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:26, 1 Aug 2004 (EDT)

 * The previous version of the page was an anonymous user copying the Belfast page onto the Newry page, with a short introductory paragraph. The content was totally inappropriate for Newry, and it looked very silly. I was just cleaning up. Your wikivoyage man in Norn Iron, (WT-en) Professorbiscuit.

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Talk:New Smyrna Beach

''This page is for discussing the corresponding article or guide. For more about using talk pages check out Project:Using talk pages.''

Comments
Was it really necessary to include so many references to "Galleria di Vetro" on this page? This smells like "abuse" to me. (WT-en) Gamweb 15:18, 28 July 2007 (EDT)

Jazz Festival
I don't understand this edit. What's a concert if not live music? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:42, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It's just "X is playing at a restaurant..." repeated at several venues. There are couple of "concerts," where a musician is the focus of the event, but otherwise this is mostly just some restaurants gigs with good musicians but without much organization. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 23:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:New South Wales

I'm not quite sure how to interpret the districts here, but we could loosely use the boundaries from http://www.visitnsw.com.au/

Unfortunately that doesn't quite work for Central Tablelands (New South Wales) because Dubbo (and Lithgow) aren't usually considered part of it. However there's really no other places to put them. -- (WT-en) Hypatia 11:51, 16 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Having thought it over, I'm going to move Central Tablelands to Central West (which is a more usual name among the inhabitants, although visitnsw calls it "Central NSW"). -- (WT-en) Hypatia 11:53, 16 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Current criteria
Project:Geographical hierarchy notes that we should list 7±2 things under headings like "Cities". So, we have 9 cities listed, here are the reasons why:
 * Sydney is a world famous city, and contains most of New South Wales' population. Definitely #1 in terms of tourism and recognition.
 * Newcastle and Wollongong are our largest regional centres.
 * The other six cities are the top cities in New South Wales by population: Albury-Wodonga (even leaving out the Victorian half), Coffs Harbour, Port Macquarie, Tamworth, Tweed Heads, Wagga Wagga.

Discussion
Please discuss changes to the "Cities" listing here. (WT-en) Hypatia 22:04, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
 * At the moment, the cities aren't a good regional spread. Sydney, Newcastle and Wollongong all occupy the middle bit of the coast. Aside from those three (which I think are unavoidable definites), we have Coffs Harbour, Port Macquarie and Tweed Heads which are all on the north coast, and Albury-Wodonga and Wagga Wagga both in the south central/west Riverina area. (WT-en) Hypatia 22:04, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Reviving a 14yo old post but I think Tweed Heads and Wagga Wagga aren't that popular or significant as Dubbo and they should be removed. SHB2000 (talk) 06:59, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Queanbeyan
Can someone who knows NSW find a home in one of the regions for Queanbeyan? --(WT-en) Evan 09:23, 14 December 2006 (EST)

Regions
There seems to be confusion as to whether the far north coast (Byron and surrounds) area fits under Northern Rivers or North Coast. Thoughts? Merge? (WT-en) Ronaldo123 19:00, 24 February 2009 (EST)

 * The Northern Rivers covers an area from the Queensland border, south at least as far as Grafton. By any definition the Northern Rivers has to include Byron. The North Coast could easily be considered anything north of the Hunter, all the way to the border, so there is definately going to be some overlap there.  North Coast makes for a very large region, from Taree to the Tweed.  However, leaving the North Coast and Northern Rivers as two separate regions is always going to cause confusion.  If even locals don't know where the regions start and end, what chance travellers?  --(WT-en) Inas 19:55, 24 February 2009 (EST)

 * I've reviewed the articles, and it is obvious that the intention was to make the regions up the coast from Sydney, be Central Coast, Hunter Valley, North Coast and then Northern Rivers. I've adjusted this article content accordingly.  Doesn't mean we can't still make it better, but for now, it at least reads okay.  --(WT-en) Inas 00:09, 25 February 2009 (EST)

 * I've drawn a quick region map, which does more to highlight the problems with the current regions, then it does to actually clarify anything. There are a couple of areas of the state definately not covered by any region.  The regions close into city are so small, especially Southern Highlands, Central Coast, Blue mountains, that they are hard to show.  I think the only way that this is going to work, is to do regions around Sydney, and the remainder of the state.  :::The regions around Sydney would be
 * Central Coast
 * Illawarra
 * Blue Mountains
 * Southern Highlands
 * Sydney city
 * This makes sense to me and this could be a close up map, showing a few of the destinations and routes.
 * Then we have the regional regiona
 * Far West
 * Central Wwest
 * Riverina
 * New England
 * Northern Rivers
 * North Coast
 * South Coast (incorporate Shoalhaven into this, which is really just Jarvis and Nowra)
 * Snowy
 * We need to add a region for Albury, and add a region for Goulburn to Canberra & surrounds. --(WT-en) Inas 00:34, 27 February 2009 (EST)
 * Good to see the map. Back to the Byron related question, wouldn't most just consider the North Coast to be everything north of the Hunter, and within itself possibly halved into Mid North Coast and Northern Rivers? Also agreed South Coast should incorporate Shoalhaven area (perhaps as a subregion if it needs to). Along the lines of the BoM the Albury-Goulburn could simply be called South West (New South Wales) which incorporates the more formal 'Southern Tablelands' and 'South West Slopes' (WT-en) Ronaldo123 07:34, 27 February 2009 (EST)

 * I agree, what is called North Coast, is really the mid-north coast. I wouldn't like to see another level in the hierarchy though - really.  It is probably a bit misleading to have it labelled the North Coast (but I've seen worse).  Do you think we should rename it?   I agree with South West, incorporating Goulburn to Albury, excluding the Snowy. --(WT-en) Inas 22:20, 27 February 2009 (EST)

 * I think that the North Coast should be named the Mid North Coast (as is in the BOM site and others) . The Northern Rivers area usually extends to south of Grafton in most regional maps. The South West sounds fine for incorporating Goulburn to Albury. (WT-en) Cgoodwin 23:47, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

 * Okay, North Coast will be renamed, and South West New South Wales will be created, according to the consensus above, in the next week or so. If anybody has any better suggestions, would be good make them now.  I won't rename Northern Rivers for now.  Nothing stopping us doing more updates later, if better divisions raise.  --(WT-en) Inas 00:23, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

 * North Coast is now Mid-North Coast.  --(WT-en) Inas 22:31, 26 March 2009 (EDT)

Canberra
The Canberra article indicates that it is located in this region, but this article seems to avoid mention of it in the Regions and Cities sections, and on the map. Shouldn't the Australian Capital Territory be a subregion of New South Wales (irrespective of the political distinction)? (WT-en) LtPowers 19:18, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Yes. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:28, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

 * I agree it sounds good, but I don't think it will ever work. It's like making Washington D.C. part of a Virginia region.  From a visitors point of view it might make sense, but everyone who ever looks at it is just going to think it is a mistake, because the ACT isn't part of New South Wales, like Washington D.C. isn't part of Virginia.  If we every did this we would need to rename the region New South Wales and the ACT.  --(WT-en) Inas 20:49, 23 November 2011 (EST)

 * D.C. is coterminous with the city of Washington, so it's not directly comparable. Assuming, though, the federal district was about the size of a county, however, I would absolutely make it a subregion of Maryland.  (WT-en) LtPowers 10:39, 24 November 2011 (EST)

Region Map
I've updated the region map to get rid of the holes, and make it correspond to the prose.

I kinda like this slow evolution of regions --(WT-en) Inas 20:43, 23 November 2011 (EST)

Hunter Valley
I think the Hunter Valley region and its subpages need a good re-work. Before I dive in I'd like to propose a change to the region structure. I think the overarching region should be Hunter (as it is referred to twice on this talk page already).

I think sub-regions of Hunter should then be:
 * Hunter Valley
 * Upper Hunter
 * Port Stephens
 * Barrington Tops

and then Greater Newcastle (?) or Newcastle and Lake Macquarie (?) or Newcastle, and Lake Macquarie separately. The current sub-region of Pokolbin should be changed to a town/village of Hunter Valley (technically a locality).

Thoughts? --tiimta (hello) 12:07, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I didn't see this before reorganizing since it wasn't on the Hunter talk page.
 * I flattened the structure so that Hunter is a region and everything below is a city.
 * There is potential content to build it up in the way you suggested, but with the present content I think this works better for now. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:00, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

New South Wales banners
I have been running a side project over the past weeks to slowly create banners for all the NSW regions. Only some of these banners below are mine (most of the good ones are from other people). I'm finding most CC images of Australia are rather boring, mostly relying on open empty landscapes.

Any thoughts on the diversity and how interesting each is would be appreciated. Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:03, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

 * As befits an open and empty country :) Jokes aside, unless there's more banners of kangaroos, koalas and wombats, and even then I'm not sure about that, there's not a whole lot of variety. Unsurprisingly, beaches are going to be favourite shots of photographers. The blues and greens and golds just stand out in contrast even for amateurs. -- torty3 (talk) 11:39, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

What to do with Shoalhaven region?
Is there a good reason why Shoalhaven and South_Coast_(New_South_Wales) are split? It is confusing because from a regional perspective Shoalhaven actually belongs inside South Coast. Wikipedia : City_of_Shoalhaven South_Coast_(New_South_Wales)

User:Inas (who created origional map), User:tiimta, User:torty3 ? Thanks! --Andrewssi2 (talk) 02:23, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

 * I don't think there is any real designation of what is in the South Coast. And there is a density of attractions in the Shoalhaven.  I guess that would have been my thinking.
 * I think Wikipedia is just someone else making stuff up, or copying the current tourist regions. I'm not sure there is any other basis for it.
 * The current division of NSW is fairly arbitrary. I can understand why people would have a problem with it, particular areas like the Southern Highlands including Goulburn, and the Riverina.
 * If there is an overall plan, then I have no problem with any region set proposed by anyone with an rough consensus, and enthusiasm to carry it through. I don't think there is anything special about the current. --Inas (talk) 03:09, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

 * I think you are right. It is not clear where Wikipedia gets the definition form. I note that the VisitNSW website suggests that South Coast is basically everywhere south of Sydney until Victoria.
 * Is there perhaps a better name for the South Coast article? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 03:51, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If we look at common usage, if someone told me they were going down the South Coast, and they only made it as far as the Berry, I'd think that was pretty pathetic.. I'm not sure...  We could be bold, and do something like group the Wollongong and Shoalhaven articles into a Grand Pacific Drive article, it's certainly something touristy that links the region.  We can then pick up the South Coast article in Jervis Bay and southwards.  It also is a division between what you can achieve in a day-trip from Sydney and what needs more planning.  IMO Nowra is a day-trip, and Jervis Bay, Batemans Bay is at least a weekend. --Inas (talk) 22:16, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Status of regions
I just completed an exercise to add a dynamic map to each region of New South Wales, adding towns and major attractions, which helps determine the quality of each.

 * Sydney - Static map already used. Generally rather unwieldy, but no changes for now.
 * Blue Mountains - 8 towns defined. I still feel that Blue Mountains is more of a destination in itself rather than a region, but the region article looks fine.
 * Central Coast - 6 towns defined. Could use a few more added.
 * Hunter - 6 towns and 6 attractions. I think this is a pretty good spread for the region.
 * Illawarra - 5 towns defined. Looks a bit bare with no inland destinations yet.
 * Shoalhaven - 5 towns defined, and should 'possibly' be merged into the Southern_Highlands_(New_South_Wales), Illawarra or South Coast regions.
 * Southern Highlands - I find the boundaries of this region a bit confusing, but otherwise deals with the area around Canberra well.

 * Central West - large region with good coverage to the south and poor coverage to the north
 * Far West - the outback is probably the least developed region (I guess it is hard to get to) - we should work on this more
 * Mid-North Coast - Good amount of listings, however the region article itself needs some urgent work to fill in the sections
 * New England - 7 towns. Seems OK.
 * Northern Rivers - 11 towns, but region article needs some work
 * Riverina - At 16 towns, this is the most busy region so far defined. Probably needs some work to make it more accessible but no splitting is required.
 * Snowy Mountains - Very small region, but given it is about Australian mountains (there are not many) it probably deserves its own article.
 * South Coast - Fairly well defined.

--Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:41, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

New South Wales..
Should the warning on the article be revised, in light of the very much increased risk? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:55, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

 * Go ahead! Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:07, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

 * I tried to add some info from https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-information/fires-near-me. I think it's best to give a general warning here and direct readers to the website of the fire service for real time information. Ypsilon (talk) 19:59, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Central West region - map error
Hi all,

The northern boundary of the Central West region is wrong. The Central West does not extend all the way north to the Queensland border.

The Walgett Shire LGA and Brewarrina Shire LGA are considered part of the Far West (New South Wales) region, according to Wikipedia, and these shires do adjoin the border between New South Wales and Queensland. Therefore the top third or top quarter of the Central West region on the map should be changed to reflect that this part of New South Wales is in fact in the Far West. The Central West region is only that part of New South Wales that is in the centre, west of Sydney.

This error is causing confusion in the description of where places on the western edge of the New England region actually are. Narrabri (Narrabri Shire LGA) and Moree (Moree Plains Shire LGA) are certainly not in the Central West. These places have no connection to towns like Parkes, Forbes, Orange, Dubbo, etc. - they are part of New England, and have more affinity with places like Tamworth, Inverell, etc.

Could anyone please fix the regions map? I tried to myself, but my Photoshop skills don't extend to fixing this kind of image file.

Thanks in advance,

KevRobbAU (talk) 09:08, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

 * , unfortunately it's not my map so I don't have copyright status to it. But Sapphire Coast is also missing here. The south coast region doesn't border Victoria despite what Sydneysiders call it. SHB2000 (talk)  10:06, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Sapphire Coast not included here?
Although Sydneysiders and any other person would call Bega Valley Shire part of the south coast, the locals and information signs all have Sapphire Coast and not South Coast. Infact even, Tourist Drive 11's alternate name is also called Sapphire Coast Tourist Drive. SHB2000 (talk)  10:04, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Flood warning
Is this still needed, or should it be removed? Ground Zero (talk) 13:12, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

 * I've removed it. The recovery process is still ongoing but the actual floods have ended for now. Gizza ( roam ) 00:14, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

 * It's still a problem in Merimbula and Eden (New South Wales). SHB2000 (talk)  05:15, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Penrith, NSW
Does anyone here know anything about Penrith, NSW? I would like to have information on the Blind Chef Cafe added. --Apisite (talk) 23:55, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
 * the relevant page for the cafe is Sydney/Outer West, which includes the greater western hubs of Blacktown and Penrith. Gizza ( roam ) 00:15, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * - yep, can do. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 06:19, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Choice of "Other Destinations"...
I'm not sure about what sticks out to foreigners and interstate visitors, but I think the other destinations section is not the best choice one could make. I thought I might propose a list, but I genuinely want to hear what everyone else thinks. Below is mine.

 * 1) Blue Mountains National Park - world heritage listed national park, and significant mountain to indigenous Australians
 * 2) Dorrigo National Park - one of the largest Gondwana rainforests left standing today
 * 3) Lord Howe Island - the existing one is good enough
 * 4) Mount Warning National Park - the world's largest extinct volcano
 * 5) Sydney Harbour National Park - a harbour side national park, home to a lot of WWII era military fortifications, and is one of the last homes of the endangered bandicoots
 * 6) Jenolan Caves - some of the world's most finest karst landscapes
 * 7) Mungo National Park - home to the world's oldest human bodies
 * 8) Jervis Bay - home to some of the world's whitest beaches
 * 9) Kosciuszko National Park - the tallest mountain on the Australian mainland

What I believe not to include:
 * 1) Wollemi National Park - the location of the Wollemi pines are not revealed to the public to preserve it's nature
 * 2) Warrumbungles - not a popular spot for interstate or foreigners, and it's been a no go zone recently (voluntarily, not closed) due to the mice plague
 * 3) Oxley Wild Rivers National Park - not unique to NSW. Plus "has several locations where 4WDs are permitted." most NSW national parks allow 4WDs, and I think Dorrigo National Park is a more better and friendlier spot to visit.

Please feel free to give your thoughts out, as this is quite a major change in what's here. I'm hoping that my new list provides a good variety of places, and not so coastal centred. Thanks, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 04:46, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

 * I agree that the current list could use an overhaul. I just find it hard to think of a 'Top 10' for NSW.
 * I would disagree on the stated rationale for removing Wollemi National Park and Oxley Wild Rivers National Park. You don't (and can't) visit the Wollemi National Park for the pines but rather natural beauty, and with regards to Oxley, plenty of great destinations in Australia are frankly inaccessible to your average tourist, but then again we are not serving a specific type of visitor. Additionally the mouse plague in Warrumbungles is temporary and shouldn't be the rationale for its exclusion, especially given the whole country is mostly off limits for international visitors right now.
 * I hope you see that as constructive criticism! I appreciate your efforts on this. Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:08, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response. I really wanted to replace it so we had the following

 * 1 Metro National Park
 * 1 Gondwana Rainforest
 * 1 Sacred Aboriginal site
 * 1 Outback site
 * 1 area with White sand beaches
 * 1 snowy mountains area
 * 1 Island off the mainland
 * 1 area showing some of the finest karst landscapes
 * 1 other one, and in this one, I thought to use Mt. Warning

 * Another reason why I didn't want Wollemi and Oxley Rivers is that both these places are very similar, I've been to both of them, and I think Dorrigo is a better subst. than Oxley Rivers/Wollemi, don't get me wrong though, both these places are an absolute beauty (infact, it was a difficult choice for me to not include Wollemi). And yes, I do see this as constructive criticism. Cheers, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Since we have no other opinions, I'm just changing it, until we have someone to oppose the change. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 06:08, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

 * - world heritage listed national park, and significant mountain to indigenous Australians
 * - one of the largest Gondwana rainforests left standing today
 * - some of the world's most finest karst landscapes
 * - home to some of the world's whitest beaches
 * - the tallest mountain on the Australian mainland
 * - the existing one is good enough
 * - the world's largest extinct volcano
 * - home to the world's oldest human bodies
 * - a harbour side national park, home to a lot of WWII era military fortifications, and is one of the last homes of the endangered bandicoots

Opinion requested in Talk:New South Wales
Hi there, I'd just like to hear your opinion on Talk:New South Wales about the "other destinations" section. Thanks! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:05, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

More than 9 cities
@SHB2000 there are ten cities breaking the 7+2 rule Tai123.123 (talk) 13:54, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * If I had to remove one, that'd be Albury-Wodonga given that there's nothing much on the banks of the Murray River. Not to forget that half the twin-city isn't even in NSW ;) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:57, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, as a non-Australian it was one of the cities I didn’t recognize also why does this article lack both dynamic and static maps? Tai123.123 (talk) 14:13, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The static map was removed because of the large amount of factual errors that / and I brought up. To dynamic, not sure why. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:17, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I would remove Albury too. It is only famous as a border town like Tweed Heads. Gizza ( roam ) 02:30, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think we need to get the dynamic map in place until there is a static map or the current one is edited. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 02:34, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

✅. To the static map, I'll see where the border goes, but I'll add a dynamic map in the meantime. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:38, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Mapshapes
Please ignore this thread. Just using it for personal reference, as I try and get the mapshapes up. Quite a big task, but done half of it.
 * Northern Rivers - ✅
 * Mid-North Coast - ✅
 * Snowy Mountains - ✅
 * Outback New South Wales - ✅
 * Central Coast (New South Wales) - ✅
 * Sydney - ✅, although bits of it overlap with the Blue Mountains
 * Illawarra - ✅
 * Shoalhaven - ✅
 * Riverina - ✅
 * South Coast (New South Wales) ✅
 * New England (New South Wales) ✅
 * Sapphire Coast ✅
 * Central West (New South Wales) ✅
 * Southern Highlands (New South Wales) ✅
 * Blue Mountains ✅
 * Hunter ✅

Need to do
 * None

-- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:42, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Removing static map

Removing the static map because it looks very different to the dynamic map and doesn't reflect our region structure used and the dynamic map is now complete (comparison on the right). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:58, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

 * I see. But the solution is to edit and replace the static map. Static maps are standard in region articles (or in this case, one for a state). Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:05, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This one isn't editable because it's in a png format. If I were able to make them, then I'd have made it from the start. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:12, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Banner
This one is a tricky one. NSW isn't really known for one specific thing. It is very much like Ontario or California. But I'm not very pleased with the background fog, So here's the few I've come up with.

These two are of Bombo Headland Quarry Geological Site. It's a pretty spectacular site when you're there, but as a banner, it doesn't look that great.

These two are of Dorrigo National Park, one of the state's most lush rainforests. Unfortunately, that's something people think more about Queensland, not New South Wales.

This one is of Oxley Wild Rivers National Park, which is nearby which looks more like an NSW rainforest. But similar to Bombo, it's a pretty spectacular site when you're there, but as a banner, it doesn't look that great.

These ones are of Jervis Bay, which has some of the whitest beaches in the world. Double checked that these photos are in NSW, not Jervis Bay Territory (which is a federal territory, not part of NSW)

This one depicts a boardwalk in Urunga. The wetland scene's fairly common in NSW.

This one is being used on Greater Blue Mountains Area. It could be an alternative to the banner in Blue Mountains, although the existing banner there has been added to the star standard banner list by.

These next three were candidates in Australian Alps. This is probably not the best of the state.

This is of the scenic cableway in Katoomba.

-- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:01, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

 * Added a fifteenth banner. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:02, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

 * Added a sixteenth banner. This is probably the most representative. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * As there's no comments, I'm just going to use banner 16. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:22, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * My comment is that it would seem that people are not willing to compare 16 banners. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:14, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing we've never even had a banner discussion with this many banners before ;-). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:29, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * And probably never will, because no-one is likely to participate. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:03, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You may get that many candidates for an article like Ontario, Quebec or California where the jurisdictions are not specifically known for one certain thing. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:14, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm suggesting that people won't be willing to look at that many images, so if a discussion is desired, it's probably not a good strategy to offer that many choices. 5-6 may be about the limit. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:18, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Cutting down the regions
Right now, there are 16 regions here, which is a lot to comfortably navigate through. As a start, I propose we create a new Southeastern New South Wales page which includes the South Coast, Sapphire Coast and the Snowy Mountains. I also propose to rename South Coast to "Bateman Bay Region", as there's a lot of ambiguity of where the South Coast starts and ends. Other comments? -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:56, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Based on my experience, travellers are likely to hear the term "South Coast" in New South Wales. So if there's a coherent travel region that roughly corresponds to the area people mean when they say "South Coast", it would be good to title an article about that region accordingly. —Granger (talk · contribs) 11:23, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * South Coast is a bit of an ambiguous term, and it's a term that I'd want to avoid for a similar reason why there is no North Coast article. I did a trip from Sydney to Melbourne via the coast a few years ago, and it had several different meanings.
 * visitNSW classifies "South Coast" as anything south of Sydney, that is not the Bega Valley Shire (which is a part of the Sapphire Coast) while the ABC classify anything that's south of Shoalhaven as part of SE New South Wales. However, we already have separate articles for Illawarra and Shoalhaven, which includes JBT, so based on our regions, it only covers the Eurobodalla Shire, which is only a third of the size of the original South Coast. We also have the rather small Snowy Mountains region that definitely won't fit in the South Coast, and you'd need to head to Tasmania to see snow on the beach ;-).
 * Maybe later on, we could also move the seven districts in "Sydney and surrounds" to a Greater Sydney page, bringing that down to eight. I'm unsure why Norfolk Island is breadcrumbed under here, but that's a discussion for another day. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:42, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I'll defer to your judgement. It would be good to explain the ambiguity of the term at least, because travelers will hear it. Maybe in New South Wales. —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * North Coast will probably need to be explained too. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:43, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

 * I'll create the new region soon, but I spent today trying to make a static map for NSW, and here it is. It took about half a day, but the result was worth it (cc regarding Special:Diff/4331223: now this article will have a static map once I create the new region in a few days time). -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:28, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Great! Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:53, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, instead of Bateman Bay region, what about "Far South Coast"? It's not a term used in daily speech, but at least it's better than an ambiguous term. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:14, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

 * I've now made a Southeastern New South Wales static map – this one's probably got to be my favorite out of all the maps I've made. just wondering, but how would you interpret the B23 and the B72 stacked on top of each other? (I'm curious to know so I can consider other alternate designs for future maps that I'll make)  -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:22, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's obvious to me that those two route numbers share that stretch of road; I'd be shocked if that's not what you meant. Very clear map; thanks and congratulations! Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:44, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm quite pleased with what Inkscape can do and thank you for the compliment :-). As for the two route numbers, yes the two route numbers share the same stretch of road. The only reason I asked was because in Victoria, you may see two routes going parallel to each other (e.g. M1 and C433 or M39 and C392) that are almost indistinguishable on a map and I wasn't exactly sure whether this is common elsewhere (from what I noticed, in the US it's not in the Southwest, Pacific Northwest, California or Florida but I have no idea what's the situation elsewhere). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:39, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * To me, the Snowy Mountains is very different to the two coastal regions being merged. I think most New South Welshmen won't amalgamate them together when thinking of travel regions. But I'm also mindful that the total number of regions in NSW is quite high. Gizza ( roam ) 02:12, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that they're very different in nature and they're often visited in separate trips, at least by Sydneysiders. But all three regions are not very large in both area and population when compared to other regions, and while most of us won't amalgamate them, grouping them is the only way I can think of to bring down the regions. But yeah, while NSW does have a population of over 8 million, only about 35 per cent of New South Welshman live outside Sydney, and while it does have an area twice the size of California, Outback New South Wales seems to handle that, but otherwise I see no real reason to have so many bottom-level regions; it especially gets tricky when updating warning/caution boxes given a) the state article is too broad or b) the same information will have to be updated on several pages and duplication can cause confusion. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:07, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

 * A little late, but I've partially implemented this proposal. I made an attempt to explain the ambiguities of "South Coast" on our newly created extraregion, but do you think anything else needs to be mentioned? -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 12:27, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks – I think the explanation at South Coast (New South Wales) is pretty clear. I've made a small adjustment to give readers some idea of where the Princes Motorway begins. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:27, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Greater Sydney regions
Now time for a new Greater Sydney region. Unfortunately, unlike Greater Brisbane, the boundaries are a bit vague, but basically the Greater Sydney region that I propose covers Sydney, the Central Coast, the Illawarra, the Blue Mountains and the Shires of Wollondilly and Wingecarribee in the Southern Highlands. The rest of the Southern Highlands, would under this proposal, be split into a new article called Southern Tablelands, using LGAs that Wikipedia uses (the regions do follow municipal boundaries, but these municipal boundaries are an unofficial way that Wikipedia uses to divide NSW up). What I also propose is that Royal National Park to be a region of its own, which albeit small, fits in perfectly. It's not exactly a part of Sydney nor is it a part of the Illawarra, and while it is currently breadcrumbed under Sydney, it is not mentioned in the districts section. This would further bring the regions down to a more manageable length.

For a quick reference on how the regions will look, see User:SHB2000/Greater Syd. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:52, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I think Royal NP is a bit too small for a region. Anyway, here's a static map of the proposed regions on the right for reference. What does everyone else think? ? -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:33, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

 * "Sydney and surrounds", which is what is currenly used on this page, would be a more accurate name to describe this region than Greater Sydney. Most people living in the Blue Mountains, Wollongong, Central Coast, Bowral, etc. don't considered themselves to be a part of Sydney. Gizza ( roam ) 02:12, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I suppose so. The only reason I slightly favored "Greater Sydney" was just to avoid "and" in the title but otherwise Sydney and surrounds works for me. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia)

A (minor) milestone
As of July 12, 2022 00:20 AEST all articles breadcrumbed under New South Wales now have a custom banner, one step closer to getting NSW to star status (which btw is one of my long-term projects that I don't expect to complete until 2025 or even 26). Thank you to everyone who's helped achieve this. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:22, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Norfolk Island is not a part of New South Wales, and has not been so since 1844
is not a part of New South Wales, and has not been so since 1844 so I'm confused as to why it's breadcrumbed here. I don't really care whether it's breadcrumbed under Australia or Melanesia, but not here. Other opinions as to where NFI should be breadcrumbed? -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

 * I thought Australia reduced Norfolk Island's autonomy and annexed it to New South Wales in 2015. The dog2 (talk) 16:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Looking at some old news articles, I can see where the confusion arose from. While the Australian government did reduce its autonomy, it's now an external territory somewhat like Christmas Island or the Cocos (Keeling) Islands, but instead of WA law, NSW law applies to the island. In federal elections, NFI is a part of Canberra's Division of Bean, somewhat like how Christmas Island and the Cocos (Keeling) Islands are a part of Division of Lingiari, but nowhere does it say in Norfolk Island that it was annexed to NSW as it's still an external territory. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:17, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn't realise that the people of Christmas Island and Cocos Islands get to vote in Australian federal elections. I always thought that they are basically colonies, where the people have Australian passports but do not have the right to vote, much like the way the United States treats Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa the U.S. Virgin Islands and the Northern Mariana Islands (where they have American passports, but cannot vote in presidential elections unless they move to one of the 50 states or D.C.). Oh well, there's always something new to learn. OK, if it was just a misunderstanding, then go ahead and change the breadcrumbs, as well as the prose in the Norfolk Island article. The dog2 (talk) 23:26, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. There was quite a misunderstanding a few years back so that does kinda explain it all. As to the Indian Ocean territories, I believe most of the population wanted to integrate with Australia just a few years after the islands were transferred from Singapore and so they did. Prior to integration, I believe the islands were like U.S. organized territories but with a tiny population. That said, Norfolk Island's administration may change as the Labor government just won the recent federal election, but it doesn't seem likely, at least, for the timebeing -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:51, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In the case of the U.S., residents of the territories do not get to vote at all in federal elections. They are allowed to vote in local elections, but that's it. They do not get to vote for the president, and do not have any representation in Congress (apart from a "delegate" in the lower house who has no voting rights). People resident in D.C. can vote for President, but do not have representation in Congress. The dog2 (talk) 00:01, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Isn't that why many in D.C. want D.C. to become a state? (though I doubt that'll happen since the US constitution explicitly states that the capital cannot be in a state) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:07, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Of course it is! And the constitution does not say how large the federal district has to be, so no constitutional amendment is needed for D.C. other than some federal buildings to become a state, but there would have to be a constitutional amendment to deprive the new rump federal district of 1 Electoral College vote. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:56, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There have been some similar movements for the ACT to become a state, but that'll never happen given all its federal government buildings are scattered throughout the territory. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily a problem, just make all of those the federal district. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:48, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * ACT becoming a state would also be really redundant given it's completely surrounded by NSW. It already has its own territorial government, the only differences are that the federal government has greater control, fewer senators (but 3 for a city of 400,000 is a lot already). I could see the Northern Territory becoming a state, but it's population is only 40 per cent of Tasmania's and again, has its own territorial government. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:01, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, 3 senators doesn't sound bad. I'm sure DC would be happy with that. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:50, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Breadcrumb Norfolk Island under Australia, not Melanesia. Nurg (talk) 04:46, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with Nurg. Ground Zero (talk) 01:09, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm also for breadcrumbing NF under Australia to be consistent with CXI and CKI. The only reason why I haven't done that yet is because we'd need to adjust the static map (and I'll do that when I get a few spare hours in my hands). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:51, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Finally, ✅. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 01:35, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Banner II
I know there was one before, but this one's gonna be short. Just two, that's it. Current is similar to the banner used in Wollumbin National Park. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 06:53, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

 * Both are very beautiful views, but I would say new, because it has more diversity (NSW has both open farmlands and mountains, right?). However, it looks weird when I enlarge it, like a painting — was the source image edited much? If there is no workaround to fix this, I'd have to say current. Vidimian (talk) 23:23, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * P.S. I just realized this is a thread more than a month old, after posting the above comment. Vidimian (talk) 23:26, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

 * The existing banner is more conventionally beautiful and has a better composition to my eyes, so all things being equal, I would favor it, but I don't know which image is more representative of the state. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:41, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Completely forgot about this thread 😂, but to answer both of your questions, NSW certainly has mountains (Eastern New England, Blue Mountains, Southern Highlands (New South Wales), Snowy Mountains and the Upper Hunter are all mountainous) and there's plenty of farmland in the central and southern parts of the state. I don't know whether it was edited, though. My sole reason for wanting a new banner was because the current's source image is the same FP used in Wollumbin National Park. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 07:24, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we don't want that. I'm not sure what the best solution is, though. Any other options for banners? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:41, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Given two virtually identical banners are used in the two articles, let's go with the new banner for this article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 02:01, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * There are, but I'm not sure whether you'll enjoy picking one out of the 16 banners listed above ;-). SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:41, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe pick the ones you consider best (like 6 or fewer)? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:40, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:22, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Two subheads under `Regions`
Feel free to ignore me, I don't know this area at all, but I was confused by the Regions section. My only suggestions are maybe renaming "Sydney and surrounds" to "Near Sydney", and adjusting the colors of these regions to be similar tints? It might also help to use the standard color templates for both sections, this template for example:. Maybe move the copy from the Regions header into the subheaders? Something like: "These regions are all within three hours' drive or train trip from Sydney" under "Near Sydney" and "Visiting these regions will take additional time and planning" to "Further afield"? IDK that's just what came to mind. The article looks great overall! ButteBag (talk) 21:35, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

 * when I first saw this, I too was confused, but thought it was done because there are way too many regions, more than the recommended number per WV:7±2 (perhaps might know why?). I made a proposal to categorise all regions listed in "Sydney and surrounds" (except the Hunter and Shoalhaven) into one article, like what I did with Southeastern New South Wales, but the draft never materialised further than User:SHB2000/Sydney and surrounds. If that does ever turn into a viable article, I suppose the two sections could be merged.  SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 06:49, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @SHB2000, oh wow, yeah that page in your userspace makes a lot more sense to me. Oof, but yeah when you click into Sydney, we also have "Greater Sydney", which is... different? I have no idea what to do about it, but it is confusing in its current state to someone unfamiliar with the area. Thanks for all your work on these articles! ButteBag (talk) 13:46, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:New South Wales by rail

So, I'm not quite sure I understand why an article with this level of detail belongs in Wikivoyage. It should probably just be a section of Sydney, no? -- (WT-en) Evan 12:06, 16 Sep 2003 (PDT)

Ditto. I'm sure it's a nice rail system, but I dont think it's really a 'destination' in and of itself... at the very least it should be a /page like the restaurant section for Mexico City, but more to the point it should prolly just be edited down and added to the Sydney page. We dont want users to have to go clicking all over to put together a city guide.(WT-en) Majnoona

I'd link it to New South Wales myself. It certainly needs a more specific title than just 'CityRail'. But yes I think that it's GOOD to have this sort of information... we can't put EVERYTHING into one page because they're just getting too darned long and complicated. There is a certain length of page above which readers have trouble following the thread of the article, and more importantly, if the file is too long then webbrowsers have trouble editing it because it fills the buffer! That's a common problem on the Wikipedia where the longer articles have to be split up into more manageable chunks. (WT-en) KJ 21:06, 16 Sep 2003 (PDT)

I took the liberty of moving the page to what seems a more appropriate title. The article can now be extended to cover ALL the rail network of NSW with the metropolitan stuff as part of it. (WT-en) KJ 21:11, 16 Sep 2003 (PDT)

Hi folks!

The reason I created a CityRail page was because I found that I was adding the same details in multiple pages - Sydney, Illawarra/Sth Coast, Blue Mountains - and anticipated adding it to Newcastle. I thought it ought to be in one place.

I do think its worth having this information, since its not much use knowing what to see in Sydney if you can't get there easily. I do agree that something more general would have been a better idea than CityRail. I'm not sure that that something would be Rail in NSW though. I think my real intent was "Transport in the Greater Sydney Area".... not that it matters all that much.

(WT-en) AndrewMcDonald 23:19, 4 Oct 2003

I'm putting this page up for deletion for the following reasons:

 * 1) a year after it was created, noone's found it necessary to link to it except from South Coast (New South Wales)
 * 2) it's not an article about a geographical location, nor is it an itinerary
 * 3) much of the information it contains is Sydney specific (like the Nightride information -- there's no nightrides to the regions) and should go there
 * 4) much of the information is duplicated in either Sydney or New South Wales

That said, I think there's one reason to preserve it: Cityrail is a cross regional network, serving Sydney, Central Coast (New South Wales), Hunter Valley, Blue Mountains, Central West (New South Wales), Southern Highlands (New South Wales), the Illawarra and the South Coast (New South Wales). But this is far from being all of New South Wales: about 95% of the state's land area has no Cityrail access. So, in some ways a discussion of Cityrail on the Sydney page is a little broad, and on New South Wales is a bit narrow. (No, there's not really any way to lump all those regions into a bigger region either -- being "three hours from Sydney by train" is pretty much all they have in common).

I'm going to move information that isn't already duplicated into New South Wales and Sydney.

(WT-en) Hypatia 05:01, 24 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * OK, copied all the Cityrail info (and then some!) to Sydney and provided limited Cityrail info on the New South Wales page with a pointer to the Sydney article. -- (WT-en) Hypatia 05:52, 24 Oct 2004 (EDT)

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Talk:New Taipei

Is there really a need from the traveller's point of view to separate Taipei County, or could we just lump these as districts under Taipei itself? (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:28, 3 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * Dearest (WT-en) Jpatokal, sir. Taipei is a very large city. It needs to be broken up into districts in the same way as London, Tokyo or even smaller cities like Seattle are. If you list the cities in Taipei County under Taipei City, you will have a long dangling list (the list so far is far from complete). Maybe to get some prospective on the sitution, ask yourself would you include Saitama Prefecture or Kanagawa Prefecture and their municipalities under Tokyo? If, yes, then please put the towns back into Taipei. If not, then I suggest leaving them as separate listings. Anon. 3 Jan 06

 * I'm trying to understand if Taipei County should be considered a part of Taipei or a region. If you think it is much too large to squeeze under Taipei, then it should be kept as a region, in which case cities in Taipei County should be individual destinations ("Danshui") and not districts ("Taipei County/Danshui"). (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:00, 3 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Actually, Taipei County is larger in both area and population than Taipei City (The former having around 3.5 million with the latter only around 2.5 million), so it probably not a good idea to try to squeeze the county info into the city article. For the sake of keeping the Taipei City article simple, I think it best to list the cities in Taipei County as individual destinations, as you suggest. Furthermore, as all Taiwan's cities are surrounded by a county of the same name, the problem will arise again later, so it is advisable to make the decision regarding this now. Please indicate if you want to list the cities as individual destinations, and I'll get to it. Anon. 3 Jan 06

No need for a reply. I checked how surrounding cities are listed in similar articles covering metropolitan areas and used these as models. All destinations in Taipei County are now listed as individual destinations. Hope that is ok with you. Anon. 3 Jan 06

 * The Project:Article naming conventions say that each destination gets its own name. If you should define a destination as a separate community that has a surrounding countryside that separates it from other communities. A community that has local government representation, such as a town council and mayor, is a reasonable guideline. Though if an area has several small communities that are each represented by (a) politician(s) then they should probably be separate destinations too. Unfortunately, there is no exact rule and each case will be different.

 * The City/District format should be used when a neighborhood does not have a distinctly separate community area, but it is an important part of a city or town, such as the city centre or CBD, government centre, university campus or a shopping or entertainment part of town - if the city has been planned that way. Generally this needs to be done only when the main destination page becomes so big it becomes hard to understand, with hundreds of listings for places to see, sleep, eat, drink, things to do etc.

 * Unless the City and County cover exactly the same area, using the city name for the city article and City County for the surrounding county is a reasonable thing to do. -- (WT-en) Huttite 06:37, 3 Jan 2006 (EST)

Merge as Xinbei
Taipei County will be turned into one municipality (city) known as Xinbei (see ). Obviously this does not need to have implications for Wikivoyage, but maybe we should rename this section and use the Huge City template for the separate destinations. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 05:42, 27 July 2010 (EDT)

 * The process is complete, and the authorities chose the name New Taipei. Still not sure how to deal with this, as its now officially one municipality. However, if we want to use the huge city template, its 29 official districts are too many. The 10 districts Banqiao, Luzhou, Sanchong, Shulin, Tucheng, Xizhi, Xindian, Xinzhuang, Yonghe, and Zhonghe are by far the largest ones, so I guess we'd have to combine other areas together and make them sensible districts. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 06:33, 14 October 2011 (EDT)

District layout of this and Taipei
How should we deal with the districts of this and Taipei? They appear to be a rather large city and a ring of suburbs. What is the best approach that serves our readers? Hobbitschuster (talk) 08:24, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

 * New Taipei City is a huge city with many districts, some of which have an interest to travellers, while other do not. Personally, I do not believe that it would be of benefit to the reader to list every district, but nor would it be helpful to clump all the information under the one heading of New Taipei City. I have currently categorized the districts geographically, but this is only a temporary measure until I think of a better designation that takes into account location, but also attractions. For a starter, I think we could designate some districts under the general heading of 'coastal districts, the present central districts could perhaps be designated as 'business districts' etc. Comments, thoughts?

 * I have made a tentative attempt to categorize the areas of New Taipei City. In reality, districts like Yonghe and Zhonghe could be combined into one article, but as these places were former cities under the former Taipei County administration, they had been listed separately. I would also recommend that in the future Jinsan, Wanli, Shimen, and Sanzhi coastal districts be combined into one article under the title of 'Northern Coastal Districts'. Also as a way to avoid listing every small district, I have devised a sub-heading (Districts with notable attractions) to create links to the districts that have notable places of interest and already have designated articles. I don't know whether this works. If not, please feel free to revert my changes.

 * I have taken it a step further and divided the areas of New Taipei under cultural and geographic headings. Ideally, the districts that currently have their own articles can be merged into articles under which they are listed. For example, Xindian and Wulai, should be combined with Sanxia under a heading of 'Southern Mountain area'. Ruifang and Gongliao can be combined into one article titled 'Southern' Coastal areas'. In this respect, the current set up is merely a step to establishing articles under the new headings and combining all the current district articles. —The preceding comment was added by 1.164.254.131 (talk • contribs)

 * I don't have an opinion about any of this, except that it would be nice for there to be input from some other people, and thereby a consensus of more than one person, before more changes are made to the districting structure. But please sign your posts on talk pages by typing 4 tildes {~) in a row at the end of each post. It makes it a lot easier to follow who wrote what. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:29, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

 * I am happy if someone wants change the headings, but as the page has not been touched for over a year, I felt that waiting for a consensus from people who are familiar with Taipei might take a very long time. My last request for comments went unheeded. Anyway, this is as far as I can take it. It now needs someone with more time to merge the districts (or change the lay out if they wish). Actually, the problem arose with this article, because originally New Taipei City was Taipei County and all the present districts were cities or towns in their own right and so individual articles were created. 1.164.254.131 09:37, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

 * I understand. But just so you know, the way people normally try to get more eyes reading a districting thread is to post to Requests for comment and possibly the Travellers' pub and then wait for a few days to see if you get any input, then go ahead and do what seems best to you if you get no comments. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:43, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I have posted a request for comments on Requests_for_comment 1.164.254.131 10:02, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

 * About District, I think we can refer Chinese article of New Taipei.
 * 溪南地區 -> Tamsui River South, 三鶯地區 -> Sanying (Sanxia and Yingge), 三蘆地區 -> Sanlu (Sanchong and Luzhou), 溪北地區 -> Tamsui River North, 北觀地區 -> North Western Coast, 東北角地區 -> North Eastern Coast, 大翡翠地區 -> Big Feitsui (also name is Southern). the main district English name can refer to Wikipedia article.--Yuriy kosygin (talk) 17:24, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

 * I've added in the groupings to the map as they were, but if there's a decision on how better to group them, we can change it later. Another alternative would be to group them into the 4 broad groupings used on the en Wikipedia article (Tamsui River South, Tamsui River North, North Western Coast, North Eastern Coast, Southern, and Mountain indigenous district). It depends if there is a preference to keep consistency with Wikipedia, or with the other language versions of the same Wikivoyage article. Kdm852 (talk) 13:58, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

 * This article is still on a list of articles with active district discussions. Were the discussions resolved in 2019, or is there still something to decide? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:03, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Newtown (Wales)

So much more famous?
I'm not convinced this town of 12,000 odd, meets the so much more famous rule for disamb. WP has a disamb for Newtown. --(WT-en) inas 20:36, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

 * I'd agree. My first guess would've been the one in Pennsylvania, not Wales.  - (WT-en) Dguillaime 22:12, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

 * I'd never heard of the one in Pennsylvania before it was added to the Newtown disamb page. I guess it depends on what part of the World you have more knowledge of. I wouldn't be against moving this page to Newtown_(Wales) and redirecting Newtown to Newtown_(disambiguation) though. (WT-en) Tarr3n 07:54, 10 August 2009 (EDT)

 * I think for historical reasons the Newtown, Wales should be the primary article. I am Welsh, therefore possibly biased. 188.106.179.0 07:24, 3 May 2011 (EDT)
 * I agree DAB should be here, as noted some (like Connecticut) are larger and the name is very common. I am English so globally not that far from Newtown but I agree it isn't primary. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:17, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed. When none of the destinations with the name are large and/or important, it's best to use a disambiguation page to be fair. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 12:26, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think this one can even claim on historic importance for a term this generic, note for example Newport is a DAB even though the one in Gwent is around 5x as large as the next largest. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:28, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Indeed. Newtown is one of the most common placenames in the world, and that's before the likes of Neustadt, Villeneuve and Vila Nova get a look in... However, if this gets redirected to Newtown (disambiguation), then we'll need to make sure all the articles which link here go where they should. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:29, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The #1 reason page moves are rare...
 * Speaking of Newport, it probably would be done differently if not for the city in Rhode Island, which is the location of a famous jazz festival and movie about that event. I don't know much else about the place, but my guess judging from the film is that it's a popular travel destination with locals. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 12:33, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * There are only 8 mainspace links (ignoring the DAB page) so it wouldn't be a large job though all 8 from a glance all look correct. Note that there are a further 2 from the Newtown (Wales) redirect. Although there are a few others in Wales, only the Powys one appears to merit an article here so "Newtown (Wales)" would probably be sufficient. Also the base name should host the DAB its self, not redirect to Newtown (disambiguation) like Portland. Note that I'm not saying Newport should have a primary topic, I agree the DAB there should also be at the base name. But yes if the Rhode Island city didn't exist it might well be different. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:41, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * But there was an incorrect link for Newtown (Pennsylvania) from Yardley that I just fixed. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:50, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I think we have consensus to move this? Apart from 1 objection years ago that doesn't appear to be completely true anyway everyone else agrees and the guideline on "so much more famous" seems to agree. If one of you preform the move then I'll fix the links. Unlike here we only have 7. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:01, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

 * ✅. I think I've fixed all the links too, but would appreciate someone else checking.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thankyou ThunderingTyphoons!, there are no incoming links to the DAB and all the links you fixed look correct. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:36, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that generally the links with a disambiguator aren't usually piped on DAB pages, see Disambiguation pages. If "Wales" is redundant then maybe the "Mid Wales" should be removed? Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and change whatever you think needs changing.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, done. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:56, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:New Year holidays in Hungary

ToDo

 * Overall: expand with Christmas-related information--and then rename article to "Christmas and New Year in Hungary"
 * Understand:
 * local traditions and customs related to celebrating New Year
 * travellers mix: from which countries people regularly come to Hungary for New Year; how do people from different countries typically celebrate New Year in Hungary

 * Eat: describe local traditional meals

title: Talk:New Year holidays in Hungary