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 * User talk:Jpatokal/2009
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 * User talk:Jpatokal/2005
 * User talk:Jpatokal/2004

Jani pics uploaded by others
For form's sake, would you please affirm that these two photos are correctly attributed to you and display the correct license. --Peter Talk 06:37, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Done, thanks for the heads-up! Jpatokal (talk) 09:41, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Template:Web
I really wish you hadn't deleted Template:Web and all of its uses. Even if it had no current functionality, it was useful for defining text that shouldn't be printed. LtPowers (talk) 16:11, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Sorry, may have jumped the gun a bit there, but the PediaPress engine doesn't recognize that template so it wouldn't actually do anything with the new book creator. Jpatokal (talk) 00:11, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It would if we added the right category to the template. There's a category you can add to templates to make PediaPress not print them.  LtPowers (talk) 15:43, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Most uses of the template should no longer be necessary, as PediaPress's engine can (AFAIK) automatically delink references outside a collection, which is the "right" thing to do in the first place. Jpatokal (talk) 05:25, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not clear on what you mean by "references outside a collection". But your point is taken; perhaps there's not much outside of some templates that we should actually be hiding in print.  LtPowers (talk) 19:54, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * So if eg. the Singapore guide links to Malaysia, and the Malaysia page is not in the printed book collection, the old WTP engine would have linked to "p. ???". PediaPress simply removes the link. Jpatokal (talk) 01:35, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay... but I'm not aware of that actually being the case in Yucca. I had lots of links to other guides in the WDW articles that were just silently ignored by Yucca; I didn't have to add the Web template.  LtPowers (talk) 15:47, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Offline reader Expedition
I beg to differ with your saying that Offline reader Expedition is obsolete.

Everybody has a smartphone, but hate roaming charges, so offline readers are more needed than ever.

EPUB and OxygenGuide do not solve everything. EPUB is too heavy to open on a phone, and OxygenGuide is not a human-friendly format (that's why I just created the Wikivoyage offline app for Android, iPhone/etc versions badly needed)

The expedition is just beginning :-)

Cheers! Nicolas1981 (talk) 05:56, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Long time no speak
Do you remember Canberra a few years back? http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Swastika I think it needs squelching it keeps coming back cheers sats (talk) 02:38, 24 January 2013 (UTC) Inevercry zapped it but i suspect it needs a watch sats (talk) 02:46, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Sure do, glad to see you here and that we have a "here" to be in! Looking forward to seeing what you can do to Indonesia, the archipelago's coverage needs some love. Jpatokal (talk) 03:14, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * hmm I think Tasmania also needs the same... oh well if it takes me 2 years to actually catch up on the web - maybe itll be another 2 years to fix the issues in the tassie and indonesia areas sats (talk) 03:20, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * sheesh - Tasmania has holes bigger than the dams!! sats (talk) 04:10, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Ugly time format
Nowhere does it say those ugly and very minority-usage caps, shouting at readers, have to be used. So you've degraded the Melbourne article. Congratulations.

And 6:00 am –10:30 pm is now 6–10PM ... are you sure you want to reduce the hour range? Tony  (talk)  06:10, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Planet Wikimedia
Hi Jani. I know you have a blog that occasionally makes posts about Wikivoyage and Wikimedia, so I thought it may be worth you taking a look at Planet Wikimedia (see Planet Wikimedia). It seems to be a blog aggregator about various WM topics, and it'd be nice to have some Wikivoyage in there every now and again. You'd have to start tagging your posts with "wikimedia" though to separate it from the non-WMF stuff. Just something to think about :) JamesA  >talk 12:13, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Districts for Helsinki
Hi there! We're discussing if and how Helsinki could be split into districts. Come and have your say! Ypsilon (talk) 13:59, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

See, I'm here
Hi. See, I'm here. Just saying hello in response to your enquiry elsewhere. Nurg (talk) 10:57, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Travel photography
I've expanded that article quite a bit recently. In fact, I suspect I have overdone it & gotten too wordy and detailed in places. It needs other opinions & you were the first one I thought of since I know you do photography and have edited that article in the past. Please have a look. Pashley (talk) 23:10, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

 * I am thinking that much of the detail might move to subpages, leaving a cleaner article up top, but haven't worked out details yet. Pashley (talk) 13:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

 * I have done some of that, see Talk:Travel_photography. I'd still like your comments. Pashley (talk) 22:35, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Bump. Pashley (talk) 12:18, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Sorry for not responding, but to be honest, that article is way more knowledgeable than I am already -- doubt there's anything I can add or fix! Jpatokal (talk) 03:49, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Category:Pages_with_broken_file_links
Hi Jani, i hope you are fine. I try to reduce the amount of files with broken links and two link to your user page. I don't want to change your archive or sandbox, so i just wanted to check if you need them or if you could alter them? Thanks, jan (talk) 13:06, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Ta, should be done now. Jpatokal (talk) 01:58, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Jani, i cleared that link as well https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jpatokal/2009&action=history Hope that this is ok. Regards, jan (talk) 14:56, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Nice to see you around!
I somehow missed that you've been making the occasional contribution over the past month, but it's great to see you back. Hopefully the job at Google is going well and you'll have some time to re-join the circus here. -- Ryan • (talk) • 05:17, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks! My capacity for random travel edits seems to have increased since leaving Lonely Planet ;) Jpatokal (talk) 05:27, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

 * + ϒpsilon (talk) 05:30, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Other-subject WP links
Hello, Happy New Year, and please have a look at Talk:Kimono buying guide.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:22, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

An important message about renaming users
Dear Jpatokal,

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The SUL finalisation will be taking place in stages, and one of the first stages will be to turn off Special:RenameUser locally. This needs to be done as soon as possible, on advice and input from Stewards and engineers for the project, so that no more accounts that are unified globally are broken by a local rename to usurp the global account name. Once this is done, the process of global name unification can begin. The date that has been chosen to turn off local renaming and shift over to entirely global renaming is 15 September 2014, or three weeks time from now. In place of local renames is a new tool, hosted on Meta, that allows for global renames on all wikis where the name is not registered will be deployed.

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Dewa Sanzan
From your experience, after starting at Gassan in the morning and hiking to Yudonosan (as memorably chronicled in J2J), is it viable to include visits to Dainichibo and/or Churenji on the same day before returning to Tsuruoka? Gorilla Jones (talk) 15:51, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Hey! Good to hear from you.  YMMV, but I was pretty shattered by the time I finished the hike (the downhill bits were pretty brutal) and certainly wasn't in any shape to explore more.  But maybe you're in better shape than I was... Jpatokal (talk) 09:31, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Probably not! Thanks. I am morbidly curious to see if they're still serving the same breakfasts at Saikan... Gorilla Jones (talk) 05:10, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Denarau
I saw you had written some commentary on Denarau Island. Would you perhaps like to add something to the Understand of our article? –LPfi (talk) 17:45, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the idea, done! Jpatokal (talk) 05:25, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

 * Thank you! –LPfi (talk) 11:02, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

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Thailand
Your recent changes to the "Get in" part of the Thailand article are more a "Get out" content than the opposite. FredTC (talk) 10:47, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

You mean the train listings? The content is pretty much unchanged, I just reformatted it, but feel free to flip the order. Jpatokal (talk) 13:16, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

New bureaucrat inactivity policy
--SHB2000 (talk) 06:52, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Prices in Bintan Resorts
I remember the last time I went to Bintan Resorts, all the prices were listed in Singapore dollars, and they would convert the prices into rupiah if you wanted to pay in rupiah. Admittedly, that was 15 years ago, so it could have changed now, but have you actually gone there more recently that I have? The dog2 (talk) 16:20, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm actually at Bintan Resorts right now, and all prices are in rupiah. I believe Indonesia imposed laws that require all local prices to be displayed in Rp some time ago. Jpatokal (talk) 00:52, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Bureaucrat status (official notice)
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Obscure currencies at Mustafa
I've never actually exchanged money at Mustafa, but will they exchange say, Kenyan shillings or Colombian pesos? I understand them exchanging Bangladeshi taka, Sri Lankan rupees or Burmese kyat given that there is a large number of people from those countries working in Singapore, but I can't imagine them trading African or Latin American currencies given the limited trade or people-to-people relations between Singapore and those countries. But you're right that some obscure currencies lie Vietnamese dong or Philippine pesos are quite easy to trade in Singapore (in the case of these two, you don't have to go to Mustafa. I've bought Vietnamese dong at Parkway Parade, where I usually do my currency exchange). The dog2 (talk) 15:31, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

 * i haven't been to Mustafa Exchange post-COVID, but they used to accept eg an impressive range of Central Asian currencies and even obsolete pre-euro European currencies. Jpatokal (talk) 19:04, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Fine dining in Japan
Based on my experience from my last trip, most fine dining sushi, tempura and kaiseki restaurants will not accept reservations from the general public. I was only able to score a reservation at them because my parents have Japanese friends who know the chef personally. And and when I asked about getting a reservation at Tokyo's top-rated sushi restaurant, I was told that they only serve regular customers (i.e. people who dine there every month or so), and the only way I could get a spot would be for one of the regular customers to bring me as his guest. From what I've heard, this is the norm for the top-rated restaurants in Japan; regular diners will have a reservation every month or so, so there will be no space to serve new customers. So how were you able to reserve fine dining restaurants in Japan? The dog2 (talk) 19:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

 * This might be true at the absolute top tier, as it is anywhere in the world: good luck scoring at table at French Laundry etc. But as a frequent visitor, I've never had any trouble booking restaurants even in the ¥20000+/head range, and there are plenty of concierge services etc that promise to get you in the top tier as well (for a fee, of course). Jpatokal (talk) 21:12, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Banners
Page banners must be in the dimension 7:1. Here is information about creating and changing banners: Banners. Ground Zero (talk) 13:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

 * They should be, but Mediawiki scales them automatically if they're not. Jpatokal (talk) 20:46, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No, they must be.
 * Banners says "Banners must have a 7:1 width to height ratio."

Mediawiki does not scale them automatically. You can use Crop Tool to change the file. Ground Zero (talk) 21:40, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

 * Uhh, does too? I'm not going to edit war you over this, but see Wikivoyage_talk:Banners for samples of it rendering just fine. Jpatokal (talk) 00:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Doesn't work on desktop, though. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:31, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It doesn't work for me either. Ground Zero (talk) 11:23, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Please don't undo useful edits
I'm not sure what it is about an obscure, utterly irrelevant factoid that makes you want to insist on having it clutter the topic Tokara Islands, but I would ask you whether you really think this is something that would have any impact on a traveler today? If there's no event to participate nor anything to see, then why should it be in a travel guide? Such a thing might be okay in Wikipedia, but it's not got much utility for a traveler. Mrkstvns (talk) 15:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

 * Because it's interesting that this incredibly obscure spot of the globe was for a brief second so swamped with tourists they had to impose caps! This kind of background info is what Understand sections and infoboxes are for. Jpatokal (talk) 22:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Train classes in South Korea
I wonder how familiar you are with South Korea, but I'm trying to expand the Rail travel in South Korea article, and I'm not familiar with the train classes. The dog2 (talk) 01:43, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

 * Sorry, it's been a decade since I did any serious intercity travel in Korea. Jpatokal (talk) 01:57, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

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User talk:Jpatokal/2004

Hello Jpatokal! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thanks for your contributions so far, especially Kuala Lumpur. However, you may want to have a look at our Small city article template and Big city article template to get an idea of the standard headings used in city articles and how (and why) these articles are set out in the way they are. -- (WT-en) Huttite 05:27, 3 May 2004 (EDT)

Have a look here:

http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Maintenance&subfunction=mispeelings

Wikivoyage uses American spelling - so "center" is correct. Please revert back to my changes --(WT-en) Nzpcmad 04:56, 7 May 2004 (EDT)

Spelling issues aside ;-), I have to say that your work on Singapore is fantastic! Really nicely done and usable! I'm going to use it as my new favorite example of a guide done right! Hope our Yankee spelling won't bug you too much-- feel free to write how it feels right and others will edit as needed-- one of the great things about a wiki! Looking forward to reading more! (WT-en) Majnoona 15:50, 25 Jun 2004 (EDT)

Project:Destination of the Month candidates

Official Greeters
I am just wondering if anybody has been designate the task of officially greeting new comers to wikivoyage. When I first started writing, Evan put a comment on my talk page about how great it was that I was doing Kosovo which was the last hook that got me committed to the project. Anyway, is there anyway to get a list of new people who have recently signed up for userid's (if this doesn't violate privacy rules)? I'm going to start following recent changes looking for people I think are new try and give them a few pointers (and express thanks) on their talk pages but its difficult to tell the difference between a new user and somebody who only contributes occasionally. Any ideas? (WT-en) Aburda 07:33, 12 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Images of people
Really great set of pictures you uploaded today! They look great.

One question I have is about some of the pictures of individual people, like Image:Nativity Monk.JPG, Image:Wedding Bride Watching.JPG, and Image:SpikedBlonde Kneeling.JPG. Publishing pictures of people is fraught with dangers, which is one of the reasons our Image use policy recommends against it. (I think the other reasons for recommending against pictures of people -- that is, that they're usually superfluous -- don't apply here. The people are the subject of the photo, not just in the way.)

They look like candid shots, and if you didn't get model releases from them, either verbal or written, they may violate the privacy rights of the subject and can't be published. If you could put some kind of note on the Image: pages just saying that you've cleared the privacy rights, it'd be great. OK, sure, you have legally warranted this in the license, but it'll make me more comfortable if I know you know about the issues. --(WT-en) Evan 17:42, 14 Aug 2004 (EDT)

Destination of the Month - September 2004
That is a really good article; must add it to my list of places to see. -- (WT-en) Chris j wood 11:28, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Jing'an
It's now an orphan page again. Please either fix or revert. Thanks. --(WT-en) Nzpcmad 15:28, 14 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Full Moons
Could we move the extlink on Ko Pha Ngan into the text of the description of the full moon parties? Or is there a reason why it really ought to stand alone by itself at the end of the article? -- (WT-en) Colin 02:53, 20 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Flylc.com
Why did you delete my contribution written this morning in the Discount Airlines Page ? Here was my text :

A new site: FlyLC.com is helping you to find and book cheap flights in Europe. All routes and low fare airlines are on just one interactive page!

 * We don't generally link to external sites, especially commercial ones. See Project:External_links. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:15, 30 Sep 2004 (EDT)

This site is NOT a commercial site ! Did you write to the webmaster to get some more information before deciding to delete my contribution ?

 * Actually whether or not something is commercial has absolutely nothing to do with it. There has been for some months a lengthly discussion about what sorts of external links to allow and what sorts to not allow, but in fact most of the external links on Wikivoyage which fall inside of whatever rules we might adopt are in fact to commercial sites.  I don't suppose that helps here.  Oh well.

 * Meanwhile, I think it would make more sense to exclude this fairly nifty little tool on the grounds that we want to have the info here, and not linked to. -- (WT-en) Mark 16:09, 30 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Spam
Thanks for removing that spam! --(WT-en) Nzpcmad 16:19, 30 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Spiegel
Thank you for the good idea. I have read the article an sent an e-mail to the redaction. How did you know that the "Traveler's Pub" is "Stammtisch" in German? -- (WT-en) Hansm 11:06, 2004 Oct 8 (EDT)

Death to
Hey, I'm going to sleep right now, but it looks like our Favorite Spammer is getting frustrated and persistent. If you have the time to keep an eye on things now and then, maybe the frustration will assist in evicting him permanently. -- (WT-en) Colin 03:44, 9 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * Took me 26 minutes, not 60 seconds - I was geeking out with a friend, left about when the spammer struck, got home, booted my laptop, saw the garbage, and promptly reverted it. -(WT-en) phma 03:13, 10 Oct 2004 (EDT)

So, I've implemented a fairly simple spam blocker -- see Project:10 October 2004 for rough details. Your input very welcome. --(WT-en) Evan 22:45, 10 Oct 2004 (EDT)

KNP
Hi Jpatokal,

I wonder whether you want to update the Africa section of the mainpage and add the Kruger National Park to it. This article has a map, several pictures and lots of text whereas the other articles from the mainpage in the Africa section are nice, but some of them have a lot of empty sections.

South Africa, Morocco, Mozambique, Cote d'Ivoire, Namibia, more...

Lets move on Africa needs a lot more work.

(WV-en) Jens 12.22 26 Oct. 2004

Script
You wrote that in awk? That's just wrong man. -- (WT-en) Colin 15:56, 27 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * Maybe it's possible to write M$ Word makros doing the same >8~|. anyway, I'm not sure if it is a good idea to publish this scripts, especially those who are able to edit pages. Imagine, our chinese friend or some stupid script kid find out what parts need to be changed and a usefull script turns into a spamming tool. Of course, these scripts are no esotheric knowlage, but those who want to do some automatic vandalism should at least learn to read the man pages by themselves. -- (WT-en) Hansm 17:57, 2004 Oct 27 (EDT)

 * Respect my awktority! And the script only reads Wikivoyage pages, it doesn't change them, so it's not much use to a spammer. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:39, 27 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * Well, of course I do respect your awk scripting, althought I prefere Perl for jobs like that. I know, the script you have listed reads only. It's just that I wouldn't feel so comfortable if you also would publish the other scripts, i.e. steps 3 and 4, here. Let a possible spammer find out by himself how to submit an edited page to Wikivoyage. Finaly, let me say that the idea of using a script for the multilagnual statistics is excellent. It saves a lot of time and can do things more reliable than a human. I hope it was in your interest that I have protected the de:Project:NumberOfArticles on the German site. If not, let me know. -- (WT-en) Hansm 07:36, 2004 Oct 28 (EDT)

 * Uh, I think that the technique for submitting changes to Mediawiki software is pretty well known. Here's just one example: . -- (WT-en) Mark 08:08, 28 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * Yes, it seems so. Ok, then a new awk version can't do no more damage. -- (WT-en) InterLangBot 12:26, 28 Oct 2004 (EDT)

New Japanese users
Hey, so, I just wanted to note that there are a number of new Japanese users on Wikivoyage. They're from User:(WT-en) Ted's English class. I believe he's invited them to look at Wikivoyage as both an exercise in their English skills and as a way to give some "insider" information on Japanese destinations. Anyways, I wanted to let you know that they're on en: for a reason, and if you want to introduce them to the ja: expedition, you should probably take some time to explain why (and probably also let Ted know). --(WT-en) Evan 09:24, 28 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * Evan, thanks for putting a note here. I probably should have done that! I hope they can add some local knowledge that is useful. Introducing them to the ja: expedition is a great idea, just not for me right now. I've got my "English teacher" hat on for now, so I'm supposed to be encouraging them to read and write in English. Once the term is over, I'll certainly try to help them get on the ja: expedition, but if anyone else wants to invite them right away, please do it. I think that would be an excellent idea. Please let me know if you think they are violating any of the Wikivoyage guidelines or if you feel we are misusing the site in any way. I realize that EFL education is not one of the goals of Wikivoyage, but hope it doesn't get in the way either. Thanks. (WT-en) Ted 00:51, 31 Oct 2004 (EDT)

IvyMedia
Hi,

I've seen you revert the IvyMedia edits to New York (city) several times, so I thought I'd point out that they've shown up on User talk:(WT-en) Evan asking for permission to add their site, and claiming that the two existing links are owned by one of the bus companies, whereas theirs is third party. (I've got no opinion on the matter, I just thought I'd point you at the discussion so you can say why you were reverting it.) -- (WT-en) Hypatia 18:12, 29 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Hi,

You can check these two links (one website was acquired from an independent party a few months ago). We will wait for your consensus before making another attempt to change the content in this section. Or you may simply put our Chinatown Bus Search page there:

http://www.ivymedia.com/chinatownbus/

Thanks,

Jimmy

Thank you for the Link to German c't Magazin
Thank you for the link. Was that you, too, who has set the link on the German site? It was a good idea to tell important magazines about de:Wikivoyage. -- (WT-en) Hansm 11:22, 2004 Nov 1 (EST)

hindi
FYI: East and South India do not talk Hindi at all. And there is a dislike of Hindi in Tamil Nadu. So it may not be good for a traveller to try Hindi in the South -- Deepu

Thanks for you support on de:
Hi Jpatokal, I already have supposed that you know some German. You are realy a big help on de:, there are many contributors not very experienced in Wikivoyage, and finding the right structure or the right name for an article is often still a problem. But as you also will have seen, there are at the other hand some who already have understood the Wikivoyage way. Neverthless, I'm glad for every help coming from old hand Wikivoyageers. So, you are welcome on de: whenever you want and whenever you have time for us. -- (WT-en) Hansm 08:52, 2004 Nov 8 (EST)

Road signs
Re : your message about road signs on my talk page

I agree if someone makes a full page about road signs.

I only included a few signs which I think are essential to driving in France and are somewhat specific. Until all signs in EU are really standardized it may be a good idea to keep the info as such.

Admin
Hey, so, I posted your name to become an admin on Wikivoyage. The discussion is at Project:administrator nominations. Let us know if you're interested in the job. --(WT-en) Evan 17:07, 9 Nov 2004 (EST)

Listings or Spam
Hey, I'm wondering what criteria you're going by to decide which apartment listings are spam and which are legit. It seems like a pretty gray area to me, and I would like to know more about your thinking -- (WT-en) Mark 13:04, 12 Nov 2004 (EST)

Template policy
Hey, so, I finally started a page on using Mediawiki templates, and it'd be great to get your opinion on on the talk page. --(WT-en) Evan

Admin status
So, I set up admin status for you. Sadly, it happens just as I've ruined the interface for everyone, so the special buttons for deleting and protecting stuff are turned off. I think there are some other admin rights hidden around the interface that you may find. Just be careful and cautious when clicking stuff you don't recognize! Anyways, thanks for taking on the additional responsibility and welcome aboard. --(WT-en) Evan 23:30, 18 Nov 2004 (EST)

Food
Darn it! Now I'm hungry! -- (WT-en) Colin 02:12, 10 Dec 2004 (EST)

sp
I generally try and avoid "proper" names for just that reason but sometimes I get it wrong! Sorry about that --(WT-en) Nzpcmad 16:13, 14 Dec 2004 (EST)

IP user and paris on the main page
Hey, I didn't want to step on your toes with that main page edit (actually we collided), but I figured that if we are going to practice what we preach about any user being able to edit anything we should try to keep the meaning of the IP user's edit. Especially since Paris won't be DOM shortly, so I put Belfast back and bumped Geneva instead.

Meanwhile I put some comments into every section which I hope will help explain what we are mean to do with the main page. Does it seem OK to you? -- (WT-en) Mark 02:29, 15 Dec 2004 (EST)

chipata/malawi tips
Hi. I just found the "my talk" tab and read your comment. What does your friend do in Chipata? Peace Corps? VSO? An agency which pays? My bet is your friend has all the tricks down about crossing the border, but I'm happy to tell you what I know. Would you like me to give you some pointers directly, or do you think I should try to include them in the Chipata and/or Malawi sections?

chipata/malawi tips
Hi. I just found the "my talk" tab and read your comment. What does your friend do in Chipata? Peace Corps? VSO? An agency which pays? My bet is your friend has all the tricks down about crossing the border, but I'm happy to tell you what I know. Would you like me to give you some pointers directly, or do you think I should try to include them in the Chipata and/or Malawi sections? (WT-en) Willy

Hey, and p.s. -- how do I make a vertical bar, as in User:Willy|Willy? My keyboard doesn't have one on it. Every time, I must cut and paste.

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Speedway
I think you have a typo at Talk:Disneyworld. You wrote "frankly, Hypatia, I think you owe Speedway an apology". I don't see any evidence anywhere that Hypatia made such a comment. You probably either mean me or Huttite. -- (WT-en) Colin 15:49, 1 Jan 2005 (EST)

Fuerth/Furth
Hello. You recently changed the article name Fuerth into Furth referring to the Wikivoyage naming standards. Unfortunately I could not find the rule that German umlauts should be replaced by a, o, u anywhere on Wikivoyage. The standard transcription is ae, oe, ue. Using a, o, u can easily lead to misunderstandings. Furth for example is the German name of a town (and tourist destination) in the Bavarian Forest. Zurich is, in my eyes, an exception, since Zurich is the usual English name for Zuerich. (Try typing Zurich into Google, you will get hundreds of refernces to Zuerich. If you type Furth you will get references to Furth, but not to Fuerth). So my question: Is this really a policy? Where is it documented? (WT-en) Miknon 16:01, 1 Jan 2005 (EST)

Owing apologies
I see you wrote on Talk:Disneyworld:
 * frankly, Hypatia, I think you owe Speedway an apology for accusations of copyvio without pointing out where it's taken from

I have never edited Disneyworld. I'm fairly certain you meant to address that comment to Huttite, despite repeatedly using my username in the relevant paragraph. (WT-en) Hypatia 23:23, 1 Jan 2005 (EST)

Tunis, Bardo Museum
I edited your entry to add more info (I was moving it from somewhere I had misplaced it). I wasn't sure I interpreted your content correctly relating to "in the Ottomann palace" since this could be directions or, as I eventually decided, the building the museum occupied. Take a look and correct if necessary. --(WT-en) Richard 2005 Jan 17

Are you calling me a muppet?
See Talk:Europe. That would be a bit rude, unless of course I get to be Animal. Or the Swedish Chef. (WT-en) Professorbiscuit 19:39, 19 Jan 2005 (EST)

Bangkok
If you have issues with my "bowlderization" in which I tried to keep what was helpful (including the sightseeing aspect of the commercial sex trade per previous discussion) I'd honestly like to hear the criticism. Thanks. -- (WT-en) Colin

Brest
But I can rewrite the stuff I nicked from Pedia, right? Cos it doesnt belong in Pedia neither. Wonderfool

Bhutan
Hey, Jpatokal, thanks for your correction on the Bhutan article. My source of information for quoting 66 years as the average life expectancy in Bhutan was Bhutanese friends. Personally, I knew that life expectancy was in the low to mid-fifties about a decade ago, but that it had risen substantially since. So, I had no reason to doubt them. Anyway, as you drew the matter to question, I checked other sources (more reliable than friends!), and found the figure quoted by Globalis (www.globalis.gvu.unu.edu/), Human Development Report (http://www.undp.org/hdr2003/indicator/cty_f_BTN.html) and the WHO all to be at 62.5 years at birth. If you feel this figure is correct, then maybe you could change it to that. I'll leave it to your judgement.

Incidentaly, the Bhutan situation is not as simple as either the perpetrators of the Shambhala myth nor its detractors may believe. The population of the country is only 750,000, so if there is an influx of a few hundred thousand outsiders, the country is in danger of going the way of neighbor Sikkim. Hence, the emphasis on Bhutanization. This, of course, is grossly unfair to those who, through no fault of their own, are not pure Bhutanese at bith. However, it is definitely not a dictatorship with people climbing over the walls trying to get out. Over the years, I have had occasion to spend much time with Bhutanese people and consider many to be among my closest friends. From these encounters, I can honestly say that they genuinely love their royal family and have great feelings of pride and affection for their country. Many who have emigrated have returned, and those that have not often cite lack of work opportunity, not supression as the reason. Likewise, the citizens freely criticize the government with no repurcussions. I'm inclined to let the Bhutanese themselves or long term residents edit the 'understand' section of the Bhutan article. Seen through the eyes or outsiders accustomed to a different system and set of values, we cannot hope to understand the complexities of a country like Bhutan. What do you think?

Eh?
First of all you need to read things before you click the save button. Second, i don't give a shit

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Expo 2005
You lucky duck! Have a good time and make sure to keep us updated. --(WT-en) Evan 16:16, 7 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Glasgow's Homosexual Sex
Can I ask why you felt it necessary for a travel document to include information on how to get laid? Rather than saying "casual sex" why not say something like "great place to meet people". The location info for the bathhouses could still be there, but in a more civilized manner. (WT-en) Trapper 13:05, 30 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Budapest
Jakopal, Do you think Budapest is ready to be linked from the Main Page yet? (see Talk:Main_Page). (WT-en) DanielC 16:14, 20 May 2005 (EDT)

Tokyo/Ebisu
Shouldn't the entry for Yebisu Garden Place Tokyo/Ebisu be formatted as an attraction listing? If so, then it would use isolated [1] syntax. Or am I missing some context or something? -- (WT-en) Colin 15:44, 6 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Thanks, that makes lots more sense. -- (WT-en) Colin 16:53, 7 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Japanese go-between
So, if you become the go-between for ja:, can we actually expect go-between reports and some kind of activity monitoring? You don't seem to support these ideas, so I'm having a hard time understanding why you should fill that job. --(WT-en) Evan 08:57, 8 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Thanks!
Just wanted to say thanks for the admin nomination, for nominating the Falklands for DOM, and for all of the help since I found this site back in February. Also, the Singapore article has been really useful as a guide to how to write a good article. I'd drop one of (WT-en) Evan's barn stars in here, but virtual stickers have never really been my sort of thing so I'll leave that for someone else to do ;) -- (WT-en) Wrh2 23:42, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)

ja:
We're live. Check it out! http://ja.wikivoyage.org/wiki/ --(WT-en) Evan 14:05, 18 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Store -> Department Store
Hi, sorry for reverting your change without a better commit message, I had originally written something like "the distinction between a store and a departement store seems pretty big to me, sorry Jani" for the commit message, but then I noticed I hadn't changed it the way I wanted too, and just wrote "... oops, try again". -- (WT-en) Mark 06:13, 30 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Admin nomination
I've added an nomination for User:(WT-en) Pjamescowie to become an admin. Please stop by and give your opinion. --(WT-en) Evan 19:46, 2 Jul 2005 (EDT)

where shall I put it?
Hi Jpatokal, you seem to be quite involved with wikivoyage, so maybe you can help me out: I have some ideas for general aspects, and I want to discuss something like those timestamps I've been adding, as you've noticed and already commented on. Just where is the place to do it?

Some of the topics I'd like to discuss:
 * Things that would make wikivoyage unique amongst guidebooks:

 * The timestamp-feature: Never again try to find a guesthouse that ceased to exist long ago.
 * A category-rating of each destination: Do not go to Las Vegas if you seek nature and silence.
 * A "book" concept, generating a downloadable file which could be sent to a books-on-demand-publisher (for the concept, check this: http://www.futureprint.kent.edu/articles/henke01.htm). Thus wikivoyage could compete with any classical travelbook-publisher.
 * Adding to the before mentioned, a collection of covers with recognizable wikivoyage-features.

So can you tell me where to discuss propositions like this? I'll explain it there more detailed, so you can understand the rationales.

Thanks for your help,

--(WT-en) Ront 03:36, 5 Jul 2005 (EDT)

N.B.: Unfortunately I'm not really acquainted with the romanization of Lao, so I won't be of help in this... I just used the most frequently used spelling.

 * Ront, you should bring up general points in the Project:Travellers' pub. General questions about where you should put things are often answered in Project:Where you can stick it. For adding to the templates, Project:Article templates. For adding to the accommodation listings, Project:accommodation listings. For metadata, see Project:Metadata (not yet written). I'm pretty hot on books-on-demand; no page on that yet, though. --(WT-en) Evan 08:37, 6 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Yonaguni
Thanks for the pictures of Yonaguni. We desperately need some for all wikipedias, it would be great if you could upload them to the commons http://commons.wikimedia.org or put a licence tag to the pictures here in wikivoyage and I copy them myself. -- (WT-en) Gorgo 04:59, 6 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * See (WT-en) my user page. Everything I upload to Wikivoyage is by default dual-licensed as GFDL & CC by-sa 1.0. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:08, 6 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * Thanks for the fast answer :) -> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Yonaguni -- (WT-en) Gorgo 05:33, 6 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Maps of Saigon
I finally uploaded the SVG versions of my maps, you can get them here: de:Bild:Saigon-Zentrum.svg, de:Bild:Saigon-Pham-Ngu-Lao.svg. (To get the actual SVG you have to follow the link in the chapter Bild-Versionen.) --(WT-en) Srml 08:10, 27 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Landbot
Sorry for answering that late. I didn't visit WT for several months since I felt to keep some distance due to my WT overdosis last autumn. The "Landbot" is a big hack that probablily won't run anymore since the version upgrade of the MediaWiki software has caused some changes. Of course, you can get the sources, but it's very poorly commented and quite hard to figure out whan I had in mind when having written it. Yesterday, I have adapted my InterLangBot to the new MediaWiki version and saw that there are problems with japanese characters, althought western unicode charakters work fine. I fear, this would be the case for the Landbot, too. So I'm not sure at all if it is a big help for you.

The bot is written in perl. Actualy, I don't feel comfortable when publishing the code since it also might be used for vandalism. If you still should be interested in the bot(s), tell me a way how to e-mail you the sources. -- (WT-en) Hansm 10:14, 28 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * Thanks for the link to Pywikipediabot. Looks very interesting. I have download the repository, but I'm still messing with loging in via login.py. Something is going wrong and I'm trying to understand the code. -- (WT-en) Hansm 06:36, 29 Jul 2005 (EDT)

External link on Japan Page
Hi Jpatokal,

Can you please explain why you removed the link I added to the train timetable? I'm sure I'm not the only person visiting the page who'd benefit from it. Cheers, Robert

 * The same link is already listed in the Get around section! (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:00, 4 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Oops, so it does, thanks.

Everest
... just drawing your attention to a reply left on the Everest discussion page in response to your plans for the page...

Korean Phrasebook
Hi Jpatokal,

Sure, I'll be working on Korean Phrasebook for the next few weeks. I'll provide romanizations, too.

Obsoleted Sentosa image
You nominated Image:Sentosa_Southernmost.JPG for deletion since it was obsoleted by Image:Sentosa TanjongBeach.JPG. The nominated image is still in use at Three days in Singapore. Do you want to upgrade that image too, or leave both images in for variety? -- (WT-en) Colin 16:26, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Classic Tokyo, Modern Tokyo
Hi jpatokal, I have my Tokyo day itinerary ready, if you want to take a look at it before I put the link in the Tokyo page... thanks

Classic Tokyo, Modern Tokyo

 * Thanks for adding the pictures! -- (WT-en) Jose 19:05, 15 Sep 2005 (EDT)

 * Hey is Suica accepted on the Rinkai line? If so I might change the article to reflect that? -- (WT-en) Jose 00:07, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Image VFD Issue
I think you're still in the midst of your magical mystery tour around the world, but when you get a chance can you take a look at Image:PhraPathumChedi Storm2.JPG and Image:388px-Phra Pathom Chedi.jpg? It's not clear to me what the final consensus was on the Project:Votes for deletion page, but either way as the photographer and also as the author of the Nakhon Pathom article you're in the best position to make a decision as to what stays and what goes. Thanks! -- (WT-en) Ryan 19:38, 11 Sep 2005 (EDT)

 * Thanks for the additional note on the VFD page. -- (WT-en) Ryan 20:40, 11 Sep 2005 (EDT)

My site redesign attempt
I've set up a demo site for the Wikivoyage skin I've been working on so that you can have a look, and let me know what you think. There are still some issues to work out. Maybe you'll spot some more that I don't already know about. ;) -- (WT-en) Mark 12:39, 23 Sep 2005 (EDT)

There's a list of known issues on Evan's talk page, to save you a bit of time rather than writing up the stuff I already know about. -- (WT-en) Mark 12:51, 23 Sep 2005 (EDT)

I forgot to mention before: I've been using Konqueror and Firefox for development, so it only really works right for those browsers. I can add fixes for IE once the design is nailed down. I'm planning to put in a little Javascript thing to allow you to choose from multiple styles as well, so it shouldn't necessarily be seen as a style that everybody will have to live with. -- (WT-en) Mark 08:40, 25 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Statscript for french Wikivoyage
Hi Jpatokal,

It's a good idea to have Statscript updating the french page. How can I help you? Do you need the translation of month? Thanks for your help! --(WT-en) Quirk 03:09, 30 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Glad to hear that you're safe
So hey, I for one am really glad to hear that you're safe after your near-brush with history this weekend. How far were you from the bombings? There was one in Seminyak, no? -- (WT-en) Mark 07:47, 3 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * I was actually in the same shopping mall when one of the bombs hit, if fortunately four floors away, and got evacuated in a bit of a hurry. If I hadn't found a funky T-shirt collection I would have been walking past the bomb site when it exploded — and I wouldn't have gone to Kuta at all if a monkey hadn't snatched my friend's glasses earlier in the day.  (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:18, 3 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * Wow. I guess people are pretty freaked out there at the moment. What's the scene like? Have a lot of tourists/travellers left the island? Are people lying low? Have you been to any of the memorial events? -- (WT-en) Mark 08:31, 3 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * I've left Bali already, we were just there for a weekend break. The scene was far less hysterical than you'd think from the news, it's a pretty big island after all (pop. 3.4 million, 5600 sq.km.) -- but there was a distinct surge of people out from the major tourist areas to quieter places like Seminyak, where we were staying. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:58, 3 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Bombay
Why did you revert my image addition to Bombay? --(WT-en) Ravikiran 03:26, 6 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Wake-up call
Hey, so, thanks for the wakeup call! I got it, and though I wasn't very timely in responding it was a big help. Feel free to use the number again any time. --(WT-en) Evan 13:49, 9 Oct 2005 (EDT)

"On Wheels"?
Just noticed a move that you made on a couple of my New Mexico articles, that seem to have been renamed "(foo) On Wheels!" What goes on here? Have I missed a new category of topics? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:18, 1 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * (WT-en) Ryan filled me in on this.  Thanks for the repair; I didn't detect the original vandalism, which occurred and then was fixed all during a time when I was offline.  As I said to Ryan, all's weird that ends weird ... -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 21:47, 1 Nov 2005 (EST)

Admin nomination
User:(WT-en) Elgaard and User:(WT-en) Ilkirk have been nominated to become admins. Please stop by and give your opinion. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:40, 4 Nov 2005 (EST)

How to start a new language version?
I thought, you once have written an introduction on how to start a new laguage version, but I couldn't find it any more. Since there are so many new expeditions, I thought it was a good idea to share our experiences in Project:How to start a new language version. If your intro shows up again, we prpbably should merge them. -- (WT-en) Hansm 03:33, 18 Nov 2005 (EST)

wikipedia links
rmv a few wikipedia links

Just curious - why?

 * Wikivoyage aims to be standalone, see Project:Links to Wikipedia. Information about airports should be (and, for Subang and Seletar, already is) in the Singapore & Kuala Lumpur articles.

 * Thanks for the great work on Tioman and other articles — please consider creating an account to make it a little easier to communicate! (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:01, 21 Nov 2005 (EST)

external link format
rvt; links should go at the end of the info listing, see Wikivoyage:Manual of Style

Please reconsider this. Singapore sets a good precedent, and the reversion leaves the Pattaya page looking a mess, with a random mixture of link styles. If you could un-revert without delay, it would be much appreciated.

FWIW I've tried to find where the consensus on this was reached, but without success - can you provide a link?

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Makes more sense to me to use this page rather than User talk:202.47.247.135, hope you agree.

As editing pages so that they look worse is difficult to do, I'm sure that reading how the consensus was reached would be the most likely source of inspiration to continue - but I still can't find it.

Re the Singapore reversion - was the purpose of the original link format edits not clear from the supplied "Summary"? - likewise the clearly identified Hainan Island -> Hainan Island link edit which was also reverted?

To clarify - that page now has about 40 well matched "front" format links, and just 4 randomly placed "mid" format links. Of course the latter look completely out of place - hence another un-revert request (or if it's now too late to revert it, confirmation that it's OK to repeat the original edits).

Hoping simple logic and common sense can prevail here. Thanks.

 * No, this is not the right place, please get an account. If you want to change policy, discuss on Project:External links, not my talk page.  Consensus for link listing formatting here and for inline text links here.  Again, mid-format is standard, please convert the Pattaya page to use them.  And sorry about the Hainan thing, I've added a redirect to fix it.

 * I hope this doesn't come off as sounding too anal... but unfortunately I am pretty anal about formatting :) (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:39, 27 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * I'm disappointed that you still regard the edits in question to be unhelpful and counter-productive, I find it difficult to believe that you seriously consider the previous versions of the pages concerned to have been better. Nevertheless thanks for your patience, and apologies for any inconvenience caused.

Mount Bromo
I'm intrigued by your fantastic photo of Mount Bromo. I have seen a very similar one in one of the volcanology texts I own (used to work in this field) -- but that one is subtly but definitely different from this one, for example the eruption column over the volcano in the distance (Semeru) looks different. One gets the impression (reinforced by what I know of the two volcanoes in question) that opportunities for shots like this should not be rare if you know where to go. But where is that? Might put directions in the Bromo article; shots like that are worth some traveling to get! -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:53, 4 Dec 2005 (EST)

Wanna play art critic? ;-)
A small favor, suggested by Ryan. I've been putting up a bunch of photographs at my (WT-en) Santa Fe photo page, in anticipation of turning Santa Fe (New Mexico) into a DotM (he's nominated it). I'd like to add one or two more to the page but would value the opinions of you and a few other WT old hands as to which ones to include. (You're a professional camera toter, right?) Any suggestions/preferences? I can do a little more cropping. Feedback appreciated! -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:25, 9 Dec 2005 (EST)

(Copied from User talk:(WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill/SFpix)

 * LOL ... kinda like me and music. I've actually been paid twice for that; the first time to perform, the second time not to.

 * Anyway, based on various inputs, I've moved Kateri (who will become the first American Indian woman to be a saint of the Catholic church, if they ever get around to canonizing her -- she's already been beatified) to the frontispiece of the article, while St. Francis Cathedral and the Portal are at appropriate places within it. I'll also take your advice on cropping the adobe shot when I get a few minutes, and replace it (it's currently part of the New Mexico page as you suggested).  Thanks! -- (WT-en)  Bill 18:34, 11 Dec 2005 (EST)

YggdrasilBot
I've got a proposal for a bot to do the cleanup work on breadcrumb navigation here: Project:Script nominations. Your comment welcome, please. --(WT-en) Evan 00:03, 11 Dec 2005 (EST)

Thanks
Thanks for all the tedious work tonight. --(WT-en) Evan 00:48, 12 Dec 2005 (EST)

Python
Hi there, could you tell me more about your Python code and how to use it? --(WT-en) Adestro 07:49, 19 Dec 2005 (EST)

Hitchhike wiki!
Hi Jpakotal! I just noticed that you wrote most of Hitchhiking in Japan. Well, I just moved the Hitchhiker's Guide to Hitchhiking to Wikicities (as it was spammed to death) - it's now at http://hitchhiking.wikicities.com. I guess you might be interested in checking it out! And, my little question, can I copy your work on Wikivoyage about hitchhiking over there? :) (WT-en) Guaka 09:08, 20 Dec 2005 (EST)

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== Thanks for noticing my "BalI' efforts, J ! As I am new to Wiki, can you tell me if there is any other way to communicate w/other authors..editing their ""talk" page seems a little clumsy !

I notice we have several other common interests ! Cheers & thanks ...T/bot

Bangkok Drink and Prostitution?
Is there some reason you wish to emphasize areas of prostitution in the drink section for Bangkok? This is not appropriate and is insulting. Drink does not mean prostitutes and the appropriate bars in this section need to be changed to the places that people actually go to.

 * I've yet to find a first-time visitor to Bangkok who wasn't interested in checking out a go-go bar; it really is entirely possible to go in, have a beer, and leave. But further discussion on Talk:Bangkok, please. (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:16, 1 Feb 2006 (EST)

Actually I agree with the originator of this statement - there is no room for prostitution discussion in a drink section. It should have either its own section or no use at all in the article area. 67.167.95.14 10:36, 29 October 2006 (EST)

I would recommend more info on the bargirls under the drink section, as the two go hand in hand (literally). Those who think otherwise have never been there or are too uptight / religious.

Barnstar
So, thinking about the discussion on Project:star articles, I realized that I've never publicly thanked you for the incredible job you do with Wikivoyage. Your contributions worldwide, your participation in the community, and your leadership have been instrumental in making this project a success.

I just wanted to give you this Barnstar to say thanks for everything you've done. --(WT-en) Evan 14:31, 1 Jan 2006 (EST)

Chinese names capitalization
Thanks for correcting my "NanDaJie" -> "Nandajie" in the Xi'an article. I just got used to the Taiwanese system. R u familiar with Chinese language?

 * Only slightly, and most of that thanks to studying Japanese... (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:34, 7 Jan 2006 (EST)

Request
I've just uploaded two images: 'Swansea Bay and University' and 'Mumbles Head and Swansea Bay'. However, I cannot get them to download onto the Swansea article. The former should be at the top, next to 'Understand' section, while the former should be located nett to the 'See' - Parks and scenic areas section. May I request your kind help, sir. Thanks. (WV-en) WindHorse 12 Jan 06

Gangwon - Copyright issues
Please see Talk:Gangwon and User talk:(WT-en) Okay95 to give an opinion on a copyright permission from the Gangwon Provincial Government. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:12, 20 Jan 2006 (EST)

Template:ISBN
You did some work on Template:ISBN before you redirected it to the special page for book sources. Why? Can the special page be used in a link the way the template could? If so, how? --(WT-en) Ravikiran 11:57, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * That works. Thanks. --(WT-en) Ravikiran 02:55, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)

Sepang official website
The website for Sepang District Council is only a one page site and appears to be mostly in Mayla, I guess. That is the reason I removed it and didn't move it to the top. My thoughts were it is not worth the click and we should wait till something of use is on the site. -- (WT-en) Xltel 13:31, 1 Feb 2006 (EST)

Dogo Onsen Advice
I'm thinking of finally experiencing Dogo Onsen. Would you recommend going at around noon on a Friday in Autumn? - (WT-en) JRHorse 23:55, 10 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * Why not? Doesn't really matter when you go, it's a big building and the cheap baths are all buried in the basement.  The whole place isn't worth more than a day max tho. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:42, 12 Feb 2006 (EST)

Statscript needs updating
Apparently Special:Statistics now uses commas to separate digits, so this week's stats upload is wonky. -- (WT-en) Colin 19:22, 23 February 2006 (EST)

Statscript just uploaded stats... which were identical to last weeks. -- (WT-en) Colin 19:22, 2 March 2006 (EST)

Hi
How's things? I'm trying to hit as many people as possible with new messages to see if the darn indicator works. --(WT-en) Evan 21:54, 5 March 2006 (EST)

 * Don't mean to be nosey, but... did you read your messages by looking at the diffs? I think that might be the problem -- I don't think I'm clearing the image out in that case. --(WT-en) Evan 22:22, 5 March 2006 (EST)

 * Yes I did, and this time it cleared out the blinky ball. Joy!  But could you also make the ball a part of the link to My talk?  And would a blinky "new" be more informative? (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:34, 5 March 2006 (EST)

 * Making it a part of the link would be a good idea... If it had text in it, though, I'd have to make 10 different versions, one for each language. Another possibility would be to have a blinky red background to the "my talk" link... hmmm. --(WT-en) Evan 22:49, 5 March 2006 (EST)

Hot springs
Thanks for the contributions there. It is of course far better to have text about the springs, rather than just the list of relevant pages that I was assembling. However, I wanted to get something in place to justify keeping the page. I'm looking forward to similar additions. What do you know about European springs? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 08:55, 17 March 2006 (EST)

DOTM
I was hoping you would volunteer for the DOTM-pushing chore so I could go to sleep. -- (WT-en) Colin 04:22, 1 April 2006 (EST)

 * Very nice. -- (WT-en) Colin 04:29, 1 April 2006 (EST)

 * I must admit, my mind wasn't quite warped enough to think of that. :-) -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:50, 1 April 2006 (EST)

Template borders
Apologies if the border changes were controversial - I never noticed the difference until seeing them all together on the Project:Template index page, and after a quick perusal of several pages assumed that the difference was likely just something that had gone overlooked. I'm used to working at companies where inconsistencies are generally something that are likely to cause some manager to freak out, and need to remember that on this site it's changes that are more likely to cause people to freak. Sorry for not discussing first. -- (WT-en) Ryan 04:51, 3 April 2006 (EDT)

Listing tags
I moved the discussion on listings to Project:Listings. I'd like to experiment before making this "the" way to do listings. --(WT-en) Evan 13:37, 5 April 2006 (EDT)

Shared images
Since you seem to be the guru of Wikivoyage:shared I'm hoping you might be able to clarify the process for shared images. I've uploaded Image:01-denali-from-reflection-pond.jpg to shared, an image that was previously only uploaded to en:. After uploading I set the "isIn" to "Denali National Park" (should it have just been Alaska?) and then created "Category:Denali National Park". Once that was done I deleted the en: version of the image. Is that about right, or should I be doing things differently? -- (WT-en) Ryan 06:31, 7 April 2006 (EDT)

isin: Brabant
I have a Q for you. Why is it when I placed this tag isin: Brabant in Leuven it didn't list the continent or country this region and city is located in? (WT-en) Sapphire 11:56, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

 * I'm answering on your talk page, Sapphire. --(WT-en) Evan 12:01, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

Thanks
Thanks for your help with User:(WT-en) Shalom Alechem. I've been trying to make sure he is the owner of these images. If you consult his Wikimedia Commons account it seems some of the users there had to delete his images because of apparent copyvios. I felt like I was trying to do it by myself (ensuring that these images were compliant with the copyleft. (WT-en) Sapphire 13:06, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

StatScript
StatScript uploaded the same numbers as last week -- I hand-corrected the output. Html tables are broken in general on the wiki right now, so ignore the current presentation and just look at the diffs. -- (WT-en) Colin 21:17, 13 April 2006 (EDT)

Again. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:59, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

It seems to think pl has -1 articles instead of the more usual 32. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:45, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

 * You know, if it wasn't my favorite page on the wiki, I probably wouldn't bug you so much. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:46, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

I had to correct it this week. I also added the column for it: while I was at it. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:42, 15 June 2006 (EDT)

pl: and it: had bad data collections from statscript this week. It was pretty blantant since it: has more good articles linked from the main page than StatScript reported to exist on all of it:. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:37, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

Mmmm. Shiny stderr goodness! -- (WT-en) Colin 20:28, 13 July 2006 (EDT)

Graphs are updated at shared. -- (WT-en) Colin 00:33, 17 October 2006 (EDT)

To Shared
Do you think StatScript can handle it if we move Project:Multilingual statistics to Wikivoyage Shared? -(WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 22:50, 14 August 2006 (EDT)

Plants on Svalbard
"the only visible vegetation is a brownish green moss, the color of dead grass, that sprouts patchily up the mountainsides."

The wikipedia article mentions lots of plants. [] (WT-en) Jer ome 03:37, 14 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Most of which are rare and flower only briefly in spring, hence the "visible". As usual, feel free to plunge forward and write up more details! (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:06, 14 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Heh, maybe I will when I've been there. My friend is visiting in July -- I'll make her update it. (WT-en) Jer ome 14:13, 14 April 2006 (EDT)

Japanese issues
Hey, so, I did a database upgrade and messed up some articles and user names with non-Latin chars. Not all, but some. I'm trying to fix them right now, but it's going to be about an hour or so. Could you communicate this to ja: please? They and de: are the hardest hit. --(WT-en) Evan 04:01, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

Wall and Dome
Jpatokal,

By any chance have you already uploaded your image taken in Jerusalem title "JewishQ_WallAndDome.jpg"? (WT-en) Sapphire 23:38, 25 April 2006 (EDT)

 * You mean this? No, I haven't, but I think the one currently in Jerusalem gives a much better picture for the traveler and is better as a photo to boot. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:44, 25 April 2006 (EDT)

 * I forgot about the one on Jerusalem. I'm just trying to find something that shows the prayers at the Wall and one that doesn't need a model release. (WT-en) Sapphire 23:48, 25 April 2006 (EDT)

Thanks for the honor
Thank you for the Barnstar... I'd give one to you in return for all of your help, but I see you already have one :)

P.S. I see you've stumbled upon my Japan '07 page... please feel free to add suggestions whenever you see fit. (WT-en) JRHorse 00:00, 26 April 2006 (EDT)

Dulling down in Tel-Aviv
Hi Jpatokal,

I'd just like to draw your attention to one of those dullifying events. A new user who seems to be an American with an Israel thing has been working on Israel.. not that that's bad at all. It's just that to me "The most orthadox town in the world" seems a more interesting place to visit than "a suburb, with a very large population of people who practice orthadox judaism."

Anyhow, I was going to welcome the guy/gal, and point this out, but I though it might be better to consult with one of those of us who know the area better. -- (WT-en) Mark 10:47, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

Upload text
Would you give an editorial looksee to MediaWiki:Uploadtext? --(WT-en) Evan 08:12, 29 April 2006 (EDT)

Raw stats
Hey, so, I'm still coming up empty on the magic words for pl:. One thing I wanted to ask: have you seen the raw statistics output? That might be easier to parse and seems to return the right data. --(WT-en) Evan 12:43, 29 April 2006 (EDT)

Image Missing
Hi - just wanted to mention the image entitled "Street market - Jln Petaling" on the Kuala Lumpur page is no longer showing. (WT-en) Wdominic 12:22, 1 May 2006

Hi. Got your message. It's weird. I don't see it on the KL page using my computer? Want me to email you a screen grab? (WT-en) Wdominic 12:22, 1 May 2006

Bulk uploads to shared
Hi, Jpatokal. A few weeks ago, Evan said that maybe you've been considering a mass upload of flags and maps to Shared. That would be very useful, especially for the newer language versions of Wikivoyage. If you're really planning that, please feel free to contact me if you think I could be of any help. Thanks, (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 14:45, 2 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Now that it's done, thanks a lot for your work! (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 18:49, 9 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Hello Jpatokal, have seen you added some maps and flags to shared. It would be very useful, if you could add the location tag when uploading, so that users can find the images in the appropriate categories! Cheers, (WV-en) Felix - 23/May/2006, 18:16 GMT
 * Unfortunately the uploads were automated (they're finished now) and I have no easy way of matching CIA's filename abbreviations to country names. (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:33, 23 May 2006 (EDT)

Sex tourism policy
I recently added something to the discussion there which you were an active participant in. Section title "A different comparison". Have a look, perhaps comment? (WT-en) Pashley 06:30, 18 May 2006 (EDT)

Sado Island breadcrumb fixed
You reported:
 * Breadcrumbs are flaking out pretty badly recently: eg Sado Island's trail finds its way two steps up to Niigata and Chubu but stops there, while Chubu then goes all the way to Asia. What's going on? (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:46, 20 May 2006 (EDT)

My answer
 * Jpatokal, I fixed the problem on Sado Island. The problem is this people use the tags incorrectly or place them in the wrong spot:

when in face the isIn tag should come first. I don't know why it requires this order but it should go like this:
 * Sado Island
 * isin: Niigata_(prefecture)
 * isin: Niigata_(prefecture)

Does that make any sense to you? I spent. a great deal of time experimenting with the isIn tag to figure out how exactly it work and I stumbled on the solution. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire)
 * Sado Island

Pattaya
Any chance you have any images that we could use on the Pattaya article? - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 22:36, 23 May 2006 (EDT)

Re:Sunlight?
"Is that you Willy?" If you ask, my respone will be ' has been vandalised by a Willy on Wheels impersonator'
 * Anyway, you have helped answer most of my question, but one thing still unansweed is about the average height of the people there, there is popular beleief that people tend to be shorter where there is not as much sunlight (although if it is really the case, it is probaly the strange food they eat). And that comment you made about blond(e), far skinned people, arer you stating that if they live a life without (much) exopsure to sunlight and suddenly move to the tropics and get sudden high exposure to UV their get *more* sunburnt then if they have already have been exposed to it, does skin adapt or something, does wikivoyage have an article on this topic? (WT-en) Fucking, Austria

Shared
Jpatokal,

Could you please create a template on the Shared site? Also, could you give input on wts:Wikivoyage_Shared:Deletion policy. There are a few copyvios and I'd like to get input on how the VFD process should be set up over there. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 02:35, 1 June 2006 (EDT)

Rant at Netherlands page
You reinserted a section at the Netherlnds page which consisted entirely of a rant. Although the section 'Respect' may be valid, it is not intended for this sort of rant. Did you read the contents before you re-inserted it? (WT-en) Wesopa 07:17, 9 June 2006 (EDT)

Los Angeles
Thanks for cleaning up the Los Angeles/Downtown article - I don't get out in the city enough that I've ever wanted to take a stab at it, but it looks much better now. It also looks like you found Philippe's, which would have been one of my top recommendations. If you're here for a few more days you might also want to check out the bar on top of the Standard hotel - it's ridiculously overpriced, but it's such an LA spot that it's worth a visit. And if you happen to be in Culver City and need a lunch partner, drop me an email - my schedule is pretty open this week. -- (WT-en) Ryan 03:15, 19 June 2006 (EDT)

 * YGM =) (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:28, 19 June 2006 (EDT)

Milestones
Which publication included the Paris maps in their paper guide? - Sapphire

 * Some Paris free-tourist-map service; see the Pub for more discussion. It wasn't a "real" guide like LP or anything like that though. (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:31, 23 June 2006 (EDT)

frequent flier
Hi Jpatokal - I noticed you're quite active on this site. I'm working on a site for frequent fliers at FF. I thought given how much you tragel, you might be interested in helping us! Thanks. Gil

Hi & thanks
Jpatokal - Thanks for the encouragement. It looks like our paths may have come close to crossing a few times in the past therefore I'm not surprised that we have a few travel interests in common: spas, hot springs, public baths and massages. And keep up the good work, your contributions make Wikivoyage great. (WT-en) Johnycanal 13:36, 03 July 2006 (PST)

streetdirectory.com.id
Just to let you know so you can fix it the link your provided in Jakarta doesn't work. If I remove the .id I get a Singaporean website. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 02:38, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

wow
I think you may have been (WT-en) staring at your computer screen for far too long tonight ;) Nice work on that though - Bill was probably starting to get callouses on his fingers due to the nightly update job. -- (WT-en) Ryan 04:04, 11 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Very interesting. Now tell me: is the bot smart enough to make sure that all three Discover entries aren't from the same country, and stuff like that? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:01, 11 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Were you? (grin, duck, run) - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 09:12, 11 July 2006 (EDT)

 * No, it's a big bot with a very small brain. But, you know, in this postindustrial era of outsourced value-adding synergies <handwave> it's just not competitive to employ actual humans, when scripts residing on servers in low-cost countries with employer-friendly policies like no limits on working hours and the right to execute worker threads whenever you wish is just so much more efficient. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:46, 11 July 2006 (EDT)

Bombs in Bombay
We have been putting up with this since 1993, so I guess we are used to it. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 04:45, 12 July 2006 (EDT)

RFC
Could you check out the discussion at Project:Votes_for_deletion in case you have anything to add? -- (WT-en) Colin 09:39, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Jani's on the road right now, I think, so it might not be wise to wait for his input. --(WT-en) Evan 09:49, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

Guinsa
Due to your amazing work on Guinsa when googled Wikivoyage's guide to Guinsa now has a Google ranking of third. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 17:36, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

Japanese addresses
Hi, could you help me with my question about romanization of Japanese addresses please? (WT-en) Bobo12345 06:42, 22 July 2006 (EDT)

Hamamatsu
Thanks for helping me with the formatting. It's my first article.

Details question.
I noticed you just removed the details about hours of operation,admission charges, and telephone numbers for some attractions in the See section of the Hamamatsu page. Any particular reason I should know about?

Edit: Sorry for a false accusation!-- I must have done it myself when I submitted and got an error.

Can you try again?
Hey, so, can I ask you to try the OpenID thing again?

 * 1) Go to wts:Special:OpenIDConvert
 * 2) Enter "http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Jpatokal".
 * 3) When it asks if it's OK to share the information, just say yes.
 * 4) You should be logged in then.
 * 5) Go to wts:Special:Userlogout to logout of shared.
 * 6) Go to wts:Special:OpenIDLogin to login.
 * 7) Enter "http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Jpatokal"

Let me know how it goes. --(WT-en) Evan 23:45, 29 July 2006 (EDT)

website of Laksa Shack
Website of Laksa Shack is www.laksa-shack.com.my and not www.laksashack.com.my.

Pls check out first before you edit next time.

Small favor
Hi Jani - small favor to ask. I'm trying to track down a UTF-8 issue with JAMWiki that I'm completely unable to reproduce. I assume you use a non-English operating system, so could I bother you to edit this page and try to add some non-ASCII text? I'm trying to track down why edits get garbled for some users and not others, and thus far haven't been able to figure out a pattern. There's no hurry, but it shouldn't take you more than 30 seconds and would be a gigantic help to me. Thanks! -- (WT-en) Ryan 02:55, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

 * Thanks! Sadly your edit looks to have gone through perfectly, so I'm still at a complete loss as to what's going wrong 8-) -- (WT-en) Ryan 03:12, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

Old Klang Road
Old Klang Road is name of a long road in housing area with lots of shophouses and this road is famous with furniture shops as we all know in KL. The foods over there is not so famous except the Steven's Corner Restaurant and a Chinese restaurant at 4.5 miles off Old Kland Road. You may refer to books entitled 吃在吉隆坡 Chi Zai Ji Long Po(ISBN 983-9768-70-0) and 食在吉隆坡 Shi Zai Ji Long Po (ISBN 962-8141-09-0).

Sukhumvit/ budget--contact
sorry new to this. Can you clarify for me what it was that I did wrong so I won't repeat it. I'm not on kasemsan road and did'nt want readers to think so ( as I'm sure they would think big johns and royal Nana are the first and second on Soi Kasemsan 1 when they are located much further away in nana and thong lo) so I put soi 1 guesthouse above it. is that what I did wrong? and/or was Line 174 to descriptive?

Accepted description Not far from Siam Square proper is Soi Kasemsan 1. About ten minutes walk from the Siam stop on the Skytrain, or just at the foot of the National Stadium station, directly across from the stadium itself, Soi Kasemsan 1 is very convenient and quiet. Jim Thompson House is on the sidestreet one block further down Rama I Rd. There are several hotels, mainly down the left side of the street as you walk from Rama I. Here they are in order.

not accepted At the Center of the city at the start of Sukhumvit rd is Phloen chit BTS station (E2 on skytrain map). Going east from here the side streets (Soi's) on the left are odd numbered and on the right even numbered. the first street on the left as you cross the railroad tracks is Soi 1.Bumrungrad Hospital is at the end. Budget accomidation is new to this area and the only one found on Soi 1 is.

about line 4.... "up to Soi 25". Sukhumvit is long and the road side markets do stop at this point. was this to much information?

about line 221.Contact... we do have a seperate internet cafe that is open to the public and Many people using Bumrungrad hospital are quite happy to find us ( they charge 3 baut a minute there) if "soi 1 guesthouse" is not right could I say "Soi 1 internet cafe" and list the same address ( diff phone #) ? sorry to be such a noob, And Hope not to be a problem for you again.( i did read the "don't tout") I won't make anymore changes/ additions untill I'm sure they in the proper format. thanks for your time.

Keep an eye out
Since you're more inclined to find obscure information would you please keep an eye out for a reference to Wikivoyage in the UK's Guardian news paper. I met a reporter and he seemed more interested in Wikivoyage than the Mediawiki Foundation and Wikipedia so there may be a reference (at the very least) to Wikivoyage. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 14:05, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

Moves
Fair enough Can do. (WT-en) Koavf 02:00, 7 August 2006 (EDT)

Batu Ferringhi and George Town hotels' articles
Where is Batu Ferringhi and George Town hotels' articles??

 * Um, in Batu Ferringhi and George Town (Malaysia). (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:58, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

Multiple projects
Hi - thanks for the note on World Wiki. I noticed you're in Singapore - I've been a frequent visitor to singapore, it's a beautiful place, although a bit steamy this time of year. I can tell you that Wikia's goals for travel are a bit different than Internet Brands. Based on my understanding from Even (I can certainly be wrong), we are more open to links to third party information sources, more open to POV, and willing to go deeper. For instance, we have 250 pages on churches in Rome, vs one page on Rome. I'm not saying one is right, just that the theory of letting multiple flowers bloom is a good one. Gil

Seoul Subway Charges
Are you sure that the subway charges in Seoul have increased? I was there last week and the cheapest ticket was definitely 900 (800 if using T-money)... ? (WT-en) Bobo12345 07:57, 9 August 2006 (EDT)

Images
I'm in the tedious process of moving every image on EN to Shared. Can I ask which licenses you wish your images to be available under? Thanks. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 06:05, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

 * That sounds insanely tedious. Maybe we should do that with a script, instead. --(WT-en) Evan 14:40, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

Template preloading
Please see my response on Project:Feature_requests. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 04:48, 13 August 2006 (EDT)

Template:Eatpricerange
Did you happen to also create a similar template for sleep listings? Figured I'd ask instead of reinventing the triangle. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 18:05, 14 August 2006 (EDT)

Stats
Do the webalizer stats track how many users have viewed the Budapest article or do you know of anything that does track that? I'm hoping to convince a few government agencies to go through the trouble of relicensing various texts and artworks by proving to the regional governments and organizations that Wikivoyage can help with noticability. I then hope to convince other regional governments and organizations to do the same until I've taken complete control of the world. Any help would be appreciated and I'll give you the title of "Co-dictator of the Eastern Hemisphere." -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 00:10, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

Wikimania
I thought you might be interested to know that there's a bid to have Wikimania 2007 in Singapore. Not so fun travelwise for you, but interesting at least. --(WT-en) Evan 14:39, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

Budapest
Hi,

why are you changing my entry? Michael

 * Please see Project:External links. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:08, 17 August 2006 (EDT)

So why do you leave links like Pasta Dost, and pestiside.hu? Latter is not, not even in their own didactic, a tourism site. I admit that they are cool, and a good read...but they are neither official, nor unbiased.

In my view, www.budapest.travel, the only non commercial budapest portal, had a right to be mentioned, but you seem to see this differently - so be it.

Dubai
Any specific reason why you took to reverting my editing on the Dubai page? Thanks.

 * Please see Project:External links (we don't link to third-party sites like Tripadvisor) and Project:Links to Wikipedia (we prefer to explain things on the page rather than linking to Wikipedia). (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:07, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

Bangkok/ Thailand
Sorry to fill up your talk with this stuff but any cool places in Bangkok not overrun by tourism you know of? I'm gunna be in bangkok for two weeks and Thailan for 3 more weeks so I just wanna know. Throw this on my talk if you want. (WT-en) Felixboy 13:31, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Thai law
Do you know anything about Thai law? I asked a user about the copyright status of an image he uploaded and amazingly he actually understands the problem and is trying to help get the problem resolved. He later sent me an email asking a rather technical question - If someone hires a photographer to take a marketing photograph who owns the copyright? The business or the photographer? Since the business is located in Thailand and the photographer was paid in Thailand I'm not positive what to tell him. I figured the business owns the copyright since they hired the photographer, but I'm not sure. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 14:02, 6 September 2006 (EDT)

 * Depends on the contract between the business and photographer, not the law. By default, the photographer owns the copyright on his works, but he will license them to the business for use.  Usually the conditions are quite specific and restrictive, but occasionally the business will demand an exclusive total license, after which they're basically the property of the business and not the photographer. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:38, 7 September 2006 (EDT)

Status Quo on Jakarta Page
Please keep the unannotated listing AS IS for 5 days. Give the ASITA, IHRA, KADIN etc members to put the informations to this page. DO NOT REVERT IT AGAIN!

Q
Does (WT-shared) Kunibotto mean anything? -- (WT-en) Sapphire 01:52, 13 September 2006 (EDT)

 * Kuni is Japanese for "country" and botto is Japanese for bot. (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:43, 13 September 2006 (EDT)

DiscoverBot
Looks like your bot has gone on strike; there appear to have been no "Discover" updates since last week. ??? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:40, 13 September 2006 (EDT)

 * → Wikivoyage_talk:Discover (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:51, 13 September 2006 (EDT)

Military coup in Thailand
Hi Here are the news full of reports about a military coup in Thailand. You live in that region. Would you oppose a warningbox on the Bangkok page or does it have no effect on travelers? Thanks and regards, (WT-en) Jc8136 13:37, 19 September 2006 (EDT)

 * Hard to tell (especially as I'm on the other side of the globe). The government areas of Bangkok seem to be pretty shut down at the momemt, but life seems to be going on as usual elsewhere — although there are disturbing rumors of military units on opposite sides lining up for a fight... (WT-en) Jpatokal 14:56, 19 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Thanks for the rewrite. I hate the working on the news information, but it seemed like something that should be noted here.  Think we should mention anything about the riots in Budapest against the PM there? -- (WT-en) Sapphire 15:14, 19 September 2006 (EDT)

 * The Budapest thing seems to have been a one-off and that government's fate is most likely going to be decided by democratic means. But the last time there was a coup in Thailand hundreds died... (WT-en) Jpatokal 15:24, 19 September 2006 (EDT)
 * The German foreign office advised all German citizens to stay at the hotel and avoid public places. So far no official travel warning but rumours are that the airport might be closed tomorrow. (WT-en) Jc8136 17:04, 19 September 2006 (EDT)

Scripts requests and suggestions
You may want to add EO to the list for the StatScript to do its calculating. EO is officially offline, but several people have already been editing it. -- (WT-en) Sapphire

 * Dear Grand Poobah of the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere,

 * Is there anyway you can mess with your listings scripts that rules over the Project:Listings to allow wiki editing within the "phone=" and "fax=" attributes? I've been messing with international listings and I always find it a little weird when the entire phone number is italicized.  I'd prefer that the editor be forced to italicize the calling codes.  Plus, it makes the listings a little more MoS conformed.  Thanks for considering.  -- (WT-en) Sapphire 00:34, 23 September 2006 (EDT)

 * O Mighty Repository of the Sacred Gems, Emperor of Cincinnati and Protector of Poland,

 * The listings stuff is not templates, it's all hardcoded Mediawiki hacking by User:(WT-en) Evan, so you'll need to pester him for any changes. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:52, 23 September 2006 (EDT)

Translation, please
Any chance you could translate this - User talk:218.70.99.157? Is that spam? -- (WT-en) Sapphire 22:30, 1 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Trying to read that stretches my meager Chinese skills way past their limit, but it appears to be the resume of some random Chinese chef, listing (among other things) all the Sichuanese dishes he can prepare...!? So, yeah, it is basically spam, just weird spam. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:38, 1 October 2006 (EDT)

Typo?
"Someday everybody set outs on a journey" — Shouldn't this be "sets out"? I'd correct it myself, but it is a user page, it is poetry so I can't be sure that it is a mistake. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 00:27, 2 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Well spotted! Thanks, I've fixed it.  (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:23, 2 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Also, the link you've provided for the poem on the bottom of your user page doesn't work. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 02:00, 6 October 2006 (EDT)
 * That's because RIAJ are psycho kamikaze ninjas when it comes to hunting down unauthorized lyrics on the net. Replaced it with a link to Wikipedia. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:06, 6 October 2006 (EDT)

Spammers
I hadn't even realized that by adding that I was affecting more than a spammer. Ooops. Thanks for catching my mistake. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 04:47, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

Re: External links policy (Phnom Penh)
Hi! Thanks for clarifying the Wikivoyage external links policy on linking to other travel guides. Would it be ok to mention the (paper version of) the Phnom Penh Visitors Guide without linking to the website? I found it a really good resource when I got to the city. (WT-en) hopha 14:29, 6 October 2006 (EDT)

Mount Sinai
When you visited Mount Sinai did you happen to stay at the monastery's hostel or did you stay in St. Catherines village? I'd like to add a few sleep listings to the Mount Sinai article and was wondering if you had any additional information. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 00:39, 8 October 2006 (EDT)

 * I daytripped (or, rather, nighttripped) from Dahab. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:06, 8 October 2006 (EDT)

Some issues
Hello, thanks for the welcome. It seems more Singapore-based users are needed here. Do we have lack of pictures for Singapore pages? It seems you are more active here rather than Wikipedia, so now I know where you are usually. ;) Do you have Yahoo Messenger 8 BETA or Windows Live, so we can talk? --(WT-en) Terence Ong 07:13, 11 October 2006 (EDT)
 * It seems like my huge cluster of pics on Commons is not really needed here, just a selected few. --(WT-en) Terence Ong 07:25, 11 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Can I upload a pic of Funan and two of Raffles City but different angles and views. For example, one interior and one exterior? For use in the same article. Also, is there an upload limit for pictures? --(WT-en) Terence Ong 08:32, 11 October 2006 (EDT)

Surreptitious rollback
My bad -- I was fooled by the fact that Google did not immediately suggest a correction when I Googled it. Thanks for catching that. -- (WT-en) Jonboy 13:40, 11 October 2006 (EDT)

Singapore/Riverside
We shouldn't include such a big areas of Riverside. I suggest a split, with Marina Centre and Marina Bay forming a new page and the Bras Basah, City Hall area forming another page. --(WT-en) Terence Ong 23:49, 11 October 2006 (EDT)

Japan
Hi Jpatokal Most of your edits and condensations are fine by me (especially correcting my spelling or other mistakes)! However, I do not agree with the one on the hotels. Please refer to the Japan discussion page for my explanation.

Hi there
I don't really remember how to answer people on the wiki-page layout, but anyways, thanks for your greeting and indeed, all the pictures from Tel Aviv were taken by myself. :)

Cheers

Hi again
The truth is that I don't know how to add my name to those pictures. But if it's not necessary, I can't say I'm too troubled by that. And thanks for the compliment, it's always very nice to hear. :)

Thank you for your help! :)
Thank you for your help! :)

Thanks for the thanks
I'd had some useful information from Wikivoyage in the past, and figured I was long overdue to try to give something back. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 11:25, 19 October 2006 (EDT)

North Korea
Could I suggest that this article be blocked from unregistered edits due to the constant vandalism of recent (probably relating to certain current events)? (WT-en) JRHorse 21:42, 19 October 2006 (EDT)

help save the Eurail article
please!

districtify
Greetings. I tried to make a modified version of your districtify template for the 'get out' section of the Bangalore article, but failed miserably. If you get the chance, could you take a look and do what you can to correct my efforts. Thanks a lot. I appreciate your help. (WT-en) WindHorse 08:47, 31 October 2006 (EST)

it's its
doesn't it's also apply when showing possession? Maybe I'm remembering my English lessons incorrectly... or perhaps it's its' (WT-en) Cacahuate 08:46, 2 November 2006 (EST)

 * Nope. Common error. "It's" is a contraction for "it is", and the possessive of "it" is "its" (no apostrophe). --(WT-en) Evan 10:41, 2 November 2006 (EST)

 * Gracias Senor Evan! IT'S not going to happen again... (WT-en) Cacahuate 03:44, 4 November 2006 (EST)

Itineraries
If you get a chance, I'd like to hear your opinion about Project:Region article template. I think the related pages tool can do the same job. --(WT-en) Evan 23:01, 14 November 2006 (EST)

Split of Singapore/Riverside
Hello. If there are no further objections, can we split the section as we planned some time back. Also, we should expand our scope of ASEAN on this travel guide. Do Wikivoyagers collaborate here to improve the travel guide? --(WT-en) Terence Ong 00:33, 16 November 2006 (EST)

Ok, will take note of that. Just very used to the way of doing things on the way its done on Wikipedia and in other places. Should be editing here more. (WT-en) Terence Ong 06:41, 29 November 2006 (EST)

Landmine museum
If I ever get around to Siem Reap I definately want to check out the landmine museum, but I have two question: 1. Which street is it on? 2. Is it safe? I don't want to risk touching one and it being the only one that wasn't defused? Also, I think this is Discover material. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 09:51, 29 November 2006 (EST)

 * There are no street names in Siem Reap, it's a very bumpy 15-min drive on a rutted track through a village with naked kids splashing in puddles, but any driver will know. Signs at the museum proclaim that all mines have been defused, and I believe 'em. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:01, 29 November 2006 (EST)

some quick help with bangladesh
Hey! A small dilemma... I made a page for Kuakata... it's in Barisal Division, and aside from Kuakata and the city of Barisal, there isn't much else to see in that division, so I don't think it needs its own page. But on the Kuakata page I'm trying to get the isIn to still reflect that it's in Barisal Division... but since that page is a redirect to Barisal, it doesn't seem to take IsIn info... not that this is a major deal, but what should I do, just put Kuakata isin Bangladesh and skip the division? (WT-en) Cacahuate 06:49, 6 December 2006 (EST)

 * Right, disregard that, I just needed to purge cache and now it shows up fine... seems that redirects do still take isIn info... (WT-en) Cacahuate 06:51, 6 December 2006 (EST)

Golden Statue Boy redux
Just FYI, I de-slushed the Project:Discover nomination for the statue trivium you dug up. Yes, Ashgabat is an outline, and is likely to remain so for a long time (how are we ever going to persuade someone to go there and do fact finding?...). However, the Turkmenistan article is in reasonable shape and contains the trivium in well-written form, and IMO can be used as the reference. The guidance says the host article "should" be at Usable, but not that it must be, and Turkmenistan is close enough to Usable to be used, I think. We've taken Discover stuff from far worse, and it's not like the queue of facts is getting excessively long.

Incidentally, I endorse your sense of the incongruous with these two-bit despots.... -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:46, 10 December 2006 (EST)

 * Actually, Turkmenistan has been on my to-do list for a while, and I've already figured out a way to get to neighboring Uzbekistan on the cheap. The main problem is getting a visa there, which is notoriously difficult... (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:08, 10 December 2006 (EST)

Finnish wikivoyage
Moi! Voisin kyllä tulla adminiksi mukaan tuohon suomenkieliseen versioon jos vaadittu työmäärä ei tosiaan ole huikea. :) --(WT-en) Jopo 14:01, 14 December 2006 (EST)

Listing tags and attributes
I think you may have had a beef with localizing listing tags and attributes. I want to investigate using localizing the tags for DE again. Would you please comment and share any concerns on Shared. Thanks. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 09:10, 15 December 2006 (EST)

What about Adamstown?
Reading the current Off the Beaten Path, I note that most of the Pitcairn Islands' four dozen inhabitants live in the capital, Adamstown. Wouldn't that make almost an order of magnitude smaller than Melekeok? --(WT-en) Evan 13:28, 16 December 2006 (EST)

 * Pitcairn is not fully independent, while Palau is. (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:41, 16 December 2006 (EST)

Piccadilly
I don't disagree with you, but you might want to know I did it that way because of this. -- (WT-en) Colin 23:05, 18 December 2006 (EST)

Yakutat
Just FYI, for once Our Favorite Troll happened to create a non-article for a place that I care a great deal about. If Tom hadn't restored the article, I would have. We really need to come up with a solution to that guy, because buried in the great pile of garbage that he creates are occasional articles well worth having and building into something useful. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 10:19, 25 December 2006 (EST)
 * See and the end of that section. We are discussing a policy that will help with this issue. Your comments and additions are welcomed and encouraged. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 10:26, 25 December 2006 (EST)

RE: Singapore/Riverside
I uploaded my edition of the modified map already, its very ugly, yes hope you can beautify it. Besides the white pencil marks cleaning up the look and the red stuff, there is some that links roads together. Hope you can find them. If the map is still the old version then I will email it to you. (WT-en) Terence Ong 03:31, 27 December 2006 (EST)

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