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Talk:Nueva Esparta

I have formatted this state as the State of Florida is formatted as of today. []. It appears to be policy compliant as well. I will be updating this page from time to time. (WT-en) MustSee 14:16, 12 September 2011 (EDT)MustSee(WT-en) MustSee 14:16, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

 * Thanks for getting this started. I've updated the headings to conform to Project:Region article template and removed the listings for individual businesses, which will be included in the lower-level articles and should not be duplicated in the region article. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:52, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

Nueva Esparta and Margarita Island appear to be essentially the same thing so I am not entirely convinced that two articles are appropriate to the destination. The Municipality of Nueva Esparta is composed of Margarita Island, the much smaller satellite island of Coche, and the largely uninhabited Cubagua. It seems to be appropriate to just include Coche, and the largely uninhabited Cubagua in the Margarita Island article rather than have Margarita Island as a Region of Nueva Esparta. It only really makes sense in a state/municipal context rather than one of any traveller significance. -- (WT-en) felix 21:16, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Nueva Loja

Traveling save
The are no official Ecuadorian safety warning about this zone, this article has no base and no link to any official warning, that safety warning must be remove or justify--(WT-en) Tapirlodge 09:15, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Merging with lago agrio
According to the wikipedia article, nueva loja and lago agrio are the same city. (WT-en) Rafcha 18:24, 28 October 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Nuku'alofa

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Merge
I have restructured Tonga and added a lot of material. For a country with around 100,000 people I consider that four articles, i.e. Tonga, Tongatapu,Ha'apai, and Vava'u should be more than adequate. A case could be made for articles on The Niuas and ‘Eua but I doubt whether there is enough to say about either of them to merit a separate article. At present I have put them in as GET OUT under Vava’u and Tongatapu, respectively. It does not appear to me that a case can be made for additional articles on Neiafu and Nuku’alofa given the small size of the Groups in which they are found. Season’s Greetings (WT-en) Shep 13:11, 18 December 2009 (EST)

 * I agree and will merge. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:39, 17 March 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Numbur Cheese Circuit

vfd discussion
"Numburchuili Cheese Trail" & "NUMBUR CHEESE TREK"

I'm very unsure what to make of these two, but they are at the very least currently not formatted properly. Anyone know what these are? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 08:23, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

 * I'll add ‘INDIGENOUS PEOPLE’S TRAIL’ to the list. Inclined to delete, if for nothing but the gall of shouting titles. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 08:38, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

 * I'd say Merge. A search on "trek" shows an insane collection of articles for trekking in Nepal — Nepal Trekking, Trekking in Nepal, Trekking in everest, Trekking in Everest, Trekking in mustang, Trekking in annapurna, Zangskar Trek, Island Peak, Jonsom-Muktinath Trek, Mt. Everest Base Camp Trek, Mt. Everest, Jomsom-Muktinath Trek, Mera Peak Climbing and Helambu Langtang Trek! Several are stubs or redirects, and quite a few have "merge" tags suggesting putting the info into the region article.

 * Can we merge all the ones I've listed and the ones under discussion here into one article? I'd prefer to see them all merged into Trekking in Nepal rather than putting the info into region articles. A big part of a Nepal trip for many people is choosing which trek or treks to go on; I think the info needed to make those choices should all be in one article, and there's clearly too much of it to fit in Nepal. (WT-en) Pashley 09:17, 6 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Delete? . I'm pretty familiar with the trekking scene in Nepal, and have never heard of this trek. A Google search also failed to throw up a single entry. However, that is not to say that a new trail is not being developed, but I'm inclined to delete until more info becomes available. One reason for the confusion over treks is that many routes overlap. For example the 'Island Peak' trail pretty much follows the 'Mt. Everest Base Camp Trek' route. It is only at the final leg of the treks where the trails diverge. (WT-en) WindHorse 11:40, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

 * Keep. Firstly, apologies! These entries were my first attempts and I am getting used to the format/language etc. The "Numburchuili Cheese Trail", "NUMBUR CHEESE TREK" and the ‘INDIGENOUS PEOPLE’S TRAIL’ are two UN-ILO sponsored projects currently underway to generate employment in the region beside the Everest Base Camp Trek, which is often overlooked. Websites for both treks shoould be online by the end of the month, www.iptrail.com and www.numburcheesecircuit.com. in the meantime I thought wikivoyage would be a popular forum to post info on the treks.There is a lot of demand for new treks as Everest/Annapurna/Langtang are so over crowded, and completely lack any cultural diversity. Please Don't delete!
 * There are an insane number of articles on trekking in nepal, it would be great to merge them all and/or organise the Nepal page better so it is not so clogged.
 * Also the link to Mount Kailash in the Nepal page can be disputed, it is afterall in Tibet. (WT-en) Ramechhap 13:13, 15 September 2008

 * Delete.Please delete the glaring "NUMBUR CHEESE TREK", "Numburchuili Cheese Trail" and ‘INDIGENOUS PEOPLE’S TRAIL’ . I have replaced them with the 'Numbur Cheese Circuit' and the ‘Indigenous Peoples Trail' … Rookie Error!

 * OK, I cleaned up some, fixed the rookie errors, so now we have only articles with sensible names: Numbur Cheese Circuit and Indigenous Peoples Trail. Do we want to keep those? If so, they need de-touting, see Project:Don't tout. (WT-en) Pashley 02:50, 21 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Keep - based on Ramechhap's explanation and Pashley's clean up...(WT-en) WindHorse 04:18, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Both people who originally said "delete" above, Peter & Windhorse, now agree to keep. So do I, though I think some de-touting is in order and in the longer term, maybe quite a bit of merging. Anyone else want to speak up? Or can we close the vfd? (WT-en) Pashley 16:15, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Numburchuili
So for a mountain of 6959m why are the only hits I get on Google are copies of Wikivoyage or Wiki-travel and is not listed in List of mountains in Nepal? --Traveler100 (talk) 17:48, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's misspelled? I get some results for "Numburchuli" and "Numbur" (possibly a nickname for the mountain?), including a Google Maps hit. Maybe a Nepali speaker would be able to find more information. Right now, though, the article has so little information that I wonder if it would be better to just merge to Numbur Cheese Circuit. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:29, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Numburchuili is mentioned as an alternative name for Numbur in Peakbook as ref. - (Wikidata - Q20746995 may be correct from Numbur in dewikipedia?) -- Matroc (talk) 21:36, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Seems more often known as Numbur – "chuili" or "chuli" occurs in other mountain names, so maybe just means "mount". Redirect to Numbur Cheese Circuit, which already has a lot of the info. Nurg (talk) 23:24, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the German Wikipedia article describes the relevant mountain? –StellarD (talk) 00:45, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all the useful input. Was also thinking Numbur Cheese Circuit should be rewritten as an itinerary. --Traveler100 (talk) 07:19, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Numidia

vfd discussion

 * Keep a real place in ancient times... (WT-en) Traveler2006 10:07, 29 March 2006 (EST) JUBA the king of Numidia... (WT-en) Traveler2006 10:07, 29 March 2006 (EST) Todd V wants me dead... (WT-en) Traveler2006 10:07, 29 March 2006 (EST)
 * Delete. This kingdom no longer exists.  There's a current city by that name, but it's a speck on the map and not a good article subject. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 10:09, 29 March 2006 (EST)
 * Note a speak on the map? (WT-en) Traveler2006 10:10, 29 March 2006 (EST) it exists? (WT-en) Traveler2006 10:10, 29 March 2006 (EST) add it.
 * Keep. Use for Numidia, PA or redirect to Kenya. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 10:19, 29 March 2006 (EST)
 * Why? - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 12:15, 29 March 2006 (EST)

 * Keep per the deletion policy -- we delete the article when the title is bogus, not the content. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:29, 29 March 2006 (EST)
 * (What content?) The title itself seems bogus to me.  It's "too fine grained" on one hand (the unincorporated farming community of 250 is too trivial to be a travel destination) and it's pretty overt "vandalism" on the other hand (the kingdom hasn't existed in over a millennium, and no one's going to search for it as a travel destination).  Either way, it "doesn't fit in with our goals"... unless that now includes serving as an atlas or a history book. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 22:21, 29 March 2006 (EST)

 * Delete. I agree with Todd: the fact that somewhere, in today's world, there is a hamlet with this name doesn't make the article (title) non-bogus.  It wasn't written with that hamlet in mind, and is therefore bogus.  I'd reconsider when states (or comparable regions) other than North Dakota have articles on places this small, maybe, but do we really want to reach that condition?... -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 22:48, 29 March 2006 (EST)
 * Keep. A common test to determine whether a subject gets its own article is the "can you sleep there?" test. I would interpret this to exclude private residences, but even so there's :  (WT-en) Jonboy 10:48, 30 March 2006 (EST)
 * From the context, that test appears to have been formulated to distinguish between a destination (which can have its own article) and an attraction (which must be included in a larger article), not to determine whether a destination is signficant enough to require a separate article. What if a locale can't even fill out the "small city" template (e.g. lacking anything to "do" or "see")?  Wikipedia has a rule that any article that will never be more than a stub shouldn't be its own article; wouldn't a similar rule be useful here?  Otherwise, what's to stop someone from creating an article for every street in their city that has a motel (calling it a "neighborhood" or "district")?  Not particularly useful to the traveller.  Saying that any B&B could be put its own article simply because it passes the sleep-there test seems like a very slippery precedent.  I also agree with Bill's comment about not wanting Wikivoyage to become a Wikipedic census-dump. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 12:56, 30 March 2006 (EST)

 * Keep. The deletion policy is pretty clear on the subject: we delete based on the title and not on the content. We have travel guides for very small places; that's one reason we're such a great resource. --(WT-en) Evan 12:47, 5 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. And let's continue this discussion on Wikivoyage_talk:What_is_an_article%3F, where it belongs. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:34, 6 April 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Nunavut

This is a great start to this page. I find Nunavut absolutely fascinating and it's on my fantasy list of future destinations.

I wonder if it makes sense to have an Inuktitut phrasebook... --(WT-en) Evan 01:15, 3 Apr 2004 (EST)

Regions
So there's three regions listed here for five "cities". Nunavut covers a (very) large area, but there are very few destinations to speak of. At this point, I don't think we need to have subregions. Any objections if the subregion pages (Baffin Island, etc.) are redirected to Nunavut and the Regions section deleted from this page? -Shaundd (talk) 06:04, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

 * The logistics of visiting and exploring Baffin Island are quite different to most of the other parts of Nunavut. You can get to Iqaluit and some of the other towns on Baffin Island by commercial plane, getting around and finding places to eat and sleep is obviously a lot easier than most of the rest of the territory. You can get to a few of the other towns by commercial plane, but exploring the really remote parts is incredibly more difficult.
 * I admittedly have no experience at Wikivoyage, so I'm not sure how things are normally organised here. Is it normal to leave sections blank (like at Ellesmere Island) in the hope that someone will expand them, or does the content get merged to a broader topic until it's big enough to split off again? Because I could write a whole page of travel info on Ellesmere. And the same for Baffin Island. So I could see dividing it up being helpful in the future, but – for what we've got there now – I don't see why it shouldn't be merged until I (or somebody else) expands it further. Osiris (talk) 02:38, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

 * That's really cool if you can add some info to these destinations. Canada's north is badly neglected. As for how we do things, articles that we think meet our criteria to be an article are usually left blank in the hope that someone will expand them. In this case, Baffin Island and Ellesmere Island are being listed as regions, so they're meant to group a larger number of destinations into a more manageable overview.  Since we only have four city/town/village articles right now (and very stubby ones at that), the question was raised about whether we need three regions to hold four settlements. I'm not sure if this makes any sense, at this point -- I hope I haven't confused you!
 * All that said, I think any content for these places is good at this point. If you have knowledge, please plunge forward and add some content. I can hold off getting rid of Baffin Island and Ellesmere Island. The vagaries of the Wikivoyage geographical hierarchy can be sorted out later. -Shaundd (talk) 06:37, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

 * Ah! Thanks for the link. I think I understand the structure now. So... towns and national parks would have their own articles anyway, and these region articles would group and summarise those places togather. What about destinations outside those areas (mountains/glaciers, historic sites, wildlife sanctuaries)? Can region articles describe those places, even if they don't get their own articles? If so, I'll endeavour to expand those two region articles; but if not, then maybe scrapping them is okay. I'll have to figure it out as I work on it. Osiris (talk) 08:59, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

 * Yes, please include entries on mountains, glaciers, historic sites, wildlife sanctuaries and any other places of interest in the most appropriate article, which might be that of a relatively nearby city (town, village, etc.) or a regional article. What's most important is to get the content up. It can always be moved as most appropriate, and that can be discussed later, if there's any reason to do so. It's exciting that you have so much content to add, and I look forward to reading it! Have a look at Listings for information on format and such. In particular, Attraction listings and Activity listings are likely to be relevant. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:24, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the info, Ikan Kekek! (are you Malay?) I definitely have to get myself familiarised with the style guides here. Osiris (talk) 10:41, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

 * I'd suggest scrapping QEI though, because most of it would overlap with Ellesmere. Osiris (talk) 09:01, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

 * Sounds good, I was thinking the same thing. I'll also make Ellesmere Island and Baffin Island regular destination articles and let them collect some info before sorting out the hierarchy. -Shaundd (talk) 14:27, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm now working on a proper regions map, and will try to clear up the issues raised above in the process. I'm pretty confident I can come up with a basic structure that will help us proceed. --Peter Talk 03:11, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

 * And here it is. This shows the census divisions (the Baffin, Kivalliq, and Kitikmeot regions) with one modification—I split off the Queen Elizabeth Islands from Baffin Region into their own article. The black dots (for now unlabeled) are populated places, many of which probably won't need their own pages.

 * The one really awkward artifact from the census divisions is the Baffin Region's inclusion of every last island in Hudson Bay and even James Bay! (That means a lot of little tiny islands just offshore of Quebec are actually in Nunavut.) It seems weird to include them in a Baffin region, so maybe we could create an East Hudson Bay Islands article to cover all of them, from Mansel Island all the way down to Charlton Island?

 * While thinking about that, I'll add the national parks to the map, and try to figure out which hamlets should have their own articles, and which should be covered more briefly in a larger region article (probably most of them). --Peter Talk 05:38, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

 * The map looks very nice. I find the whole Baffin Region odd though, with a little piece of the mainland and half of Victoria Isle (btw - Victoria Isle is on there twice). Unless there are other cultural or travel reasons, I think it would make more sense to have all the mainland split between the two other mainland regions and leave Baffin Island as it's own region. -Shaundd (talk) 05:00, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I really must apologise for not getting around to this. I said I was going to work on it, and I haven't even started. I don't know what to do about the subregions. The more I try and work out the best method, the more inclined I am to go back on what I said before and scrap the idea of dividing it up at all. The census regions have little correlation with how one would travel (although you could say that about the territorial borders too: you'd never access James Bay from Nunavut). But if we start shifting things around then we're inventing new regions with old names. But if you do keep the subregions, the one aspect where the census regions do make sense is in transport. The two points on the mainland that are in the Baffin region are accessed from Iqaluit rather than Rankin Inlet (except if you're going by charter of course). So although it looks odd, it does make a bit of sense in that regard. Therefore if you still want subregions, then my recommendation would be to stick with how you've done it for now.

I've collected all of the information that I have, and I'm going to finally get started during this week. But I'm going to start from the bottom of the hierarchy, with parks and settlements. That will help me work out whether the subregions are worth keeping. Does that sound okay? Having never contributed here before, I'm a little unsure of the layout but I guess I can use the more complete Canadian regions and the article templates to guide me... British Columbia looks good. Osiris (talk) 17:41, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

 * Some maps of the scheduled flight routes for an idea of what I was talking about-- Canadian North, First Air/Sakku First. Osiris (talk) 17:46, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

 * Wow, those flight maps really show why these groupings make sense. The settlements are all pretty much perfectly grouped by census region according to transport realities—even the weird "chunks" of Victoria and Somerset Islands make sense when you realize you would access them after flying to Resolute Bay.
 * Regarding the necessity of the regions, I think they'll be useful since not all information will belong in a settlement or park page. You would know much better than I would, but I wonder if we couldn't just have one Queen Elizabeth Islands article, with no sub-destination articles. If we're expecting a maximum of say 150,000 bytes of text in one page, couldn't we include all we have to say about the various notable islands and settlements of that region? --Peter Talk 01:52, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

 * That could work fine. It wouldn't have held many sub-articles anyway, and apart from Ellesmere there are only a few places I can think of that would be worth covering. Plus there's basically only the one base, so the "eat", "drink" and "sleep" sections will be blank without Resolute. So, you're suggesting that be incorporated under the Baffin Region? One last thing: that's Prince of Wales Island next to Somerset, the label will need to be changed. Osiris (talk) 13:03, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

 * We could put Queen Elizabeth Islands under Baffin Region, but I figure we could keep it at the top to save readers a click/load—even though we don't plan sub-destinations for it. It looks nice to have another color on the map too ;) I'll be sure to have the double naming corrected in the next map draft. --Peter Talk 18:18, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

 * The map is "finished" now. The two main changes to the regions structure that I made were to create a separate region (to be covered in one page, I think) for East Hudson Bay Islands, and to move the chunks of Prince of Wales and Somerset Islands that are in the Baffin census region to Queen Elizabeth Islands. The latter change is a little weird, since they are not actually part of the Queen Elizabeth Islands, but it looks pretty clear that those areas are visited via Resolute, which is.
 * So we still have the question of what the whole structure will look like. I envision a structure to start that only breaks down the Baffin Region, using a single page to cover everything within each of these other large geographic regions:
 * Baffin Region
 * Iqaluit
 * Kivalliq Region
 * Kitikmeot Region
 * Queen Elizabeth Islands
 * East Hudson Bay Islands
 * This might not be the best approach, though—if places like Rankin Inlet, Cambridge Bay, Ukkusiksalik National Park, etc., could fill out nice travel articles, then we might need to break these regions into more pages. --Peter Talk 04:42, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * East Hudson Bay Islands
 * This might not be the best approach, though—if places like Rankin Inlet, Cambridge Bay, Ukkusiksalik National Park, etc., could fill out nice travel articles, then we might need to break these regions into more pages. --Peter Talk 04:42, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

 * By the way, I have a bunch of really nice table of contents banners ready for Nunavut, but have been waiting to get the articles sorted out before uploading them. --Peter Talk 04:43, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

 * Great! The map looks excellent. I'm not sure whether the "East Hudson Bay Islands" article is going to be worth having (a lot of them are wildlife reserves and I'm pretty sure access is restricted in some cases), but we can work that out later. I'm starting on Iqaluit today. Osiris (talk) 13:18, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

This discussion seems to have fizzled out a few years ago, but the map above is quite useful. Is there any reason not to include it, even though we are not using regions for our guide yet? Ground Zero (talk) 15:55, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Other destinations
Currently, we have 11 but we can only have a max of nine:
 * — the world's northernmost settlement
 * — its name means "the land that never melts", and it includes many terrains of the Arctic wilderness, such as fjords, glaciers, and ice fields
 * (Qikiqtaaluk) — Canada's largest island, in the eastern portion of the territory of Nunavut
 * (Inuit: Umingmak Nuna, "land of muskoxen") —
 * — the land nearest the geomagnetic north pole, which used to pass through the island
 * (Inuit: Tatlurutit) — the world's largest deserted island... with a cemetery, the northernmost in the world
 * — covers 2/3 of Bathurst Island, and protects an important Peary caribou habitat
 * — protecting a huge area of polar desert on Ellesmere Island, accessible by charter tours, the launching point for trekking to the North Pole
 * — the "place of glaciers" consists of three parcels on Baffin Island
 * — a park with more than 400 documented archaeological sites, near Repulse Bay on the mainland of Nunavut
 * — the remote meeting point of the borders of Nunavut, the Northwest Territories, Manitoba and Saskatchewan

If I had to pick which two to cut, it'd be Elled Ringnes Island and Devon Island, because they don't have articles. But if you take those out of consideration, then maybe Baffin or Ellesmere Island. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:15, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * wv:7+2 says: "The 7±2 rule is most stringently applied to lists of cities and other destinations for countries, continents and non-bottom-level regions." Nunavut is a bottom-level region, so 7±2 doesn't apply -- there is no sub-region to move them to. I don't think splitting Nunavut into sub-regions makes sensecat thus point. Ground Zero (talk) 04:16, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * oops. didn't look further whether Nunavut was a bottom level region or not. Speaking of that, someone needs to create a Ellef Ringnes Island article, but I'll probably do that soon. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:24, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Gender neutral way of saying "Inuk"
Have researched this, but have yet found an answer. However, if the singular form of saying Inuit is Inuk, (such as he is Inuk as mentioned in the example) with the plural being they are Inuit, would you use the singular form when using gender neutral pronouns, or would Inuit also be used in the singular form in this case? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:53, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

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kreatif lagi ya. sayang kalo nunukan cuma bisa di eksplor segitu aja. kapan bisa lebih berkembang? (nunukan citizen)

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Talk:Nuremberg

How safe is Nuremberg?

According to the state police, it has the lowest crime rate of the cities with more than 400 000 inhabitants. I think thats about as safe as you can get in a Western Europe city. (WT-en) Miknon 09:18, 27 Dec 2005 (EST)

Cruise ships
Cruise ships stop at Nuremberg? Have you looked at the map? Clearly someone's playing a prank... —The preceding comment was added by 219.106.45.144 (talk • contribs)

 * Wikipedia article for Nuremberg confirms that Nuremberg, despite being an inland city, indeed lies on an important canal and is an important port. While I don't know if Nuremberg really receives 500 cruise ships annually as is currently told by the "by ship" section of the article, I don't think it can be automatically ruled out solely based on geographical facts, either. – (WT-en) Vidimian 11:02, 15 January 2012 (EST)

My edit of 2017 clarifies that these are cruise ships - and there's plenty - but they're on 7 to 14 day tours, not point-to-point ferries. Grahamsands (talk) 13:40, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Crap
Sorry some parts of this (especially nightlife and food) is just crap. As a local I tried to edit 1-2 of this, but months later it's still there. Taking this into account, I'd never ever check this site for a vacation.

 * Did someone reverse your edits? The article looks pretty healthy to me. (I have never edited this article) --Andrewssi2 (talk) 13:21, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article?

In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 15:36, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Here I vote for leaving the current one. There's too much roofing in this one. Jjtkk (talk) 17:22, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I mildly prefer the new one, because the existing one has too much shadow in the right side. --Danapit (talk) 10:10, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I think I agree with Dana on this one. I could imagine an even better banner than either of them, but like Dana, I mildly prefer the new banner, though I'm sympathetic to Jjtkk's objection to it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:29, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

 * You have a point with the shadow on the right. Let's change it. Jjtkk (talk) 13:39, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Listings lacking area code
Some listings seem to lack the local area code for Nuremberg (0)911 in their phone numbers. Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:39, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Importing from German WV
A text box suggests this. Mission accepted, but it won't be straight translation, I'll pluck out relevant info yet hopefully make it more concise. Grahamsands (talk) 21:12, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Of course. In many cases a direct translation from de-WV would actually be somewhat harmful. But much of the information there is still valuable and fits here. Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:14, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Ja, so. What it also needs is more orientation, before we plow into the listings. I think the museum entries will work better in their home district, with a round-up of what's in the combi ticket. Grahamsands (talk) 13:37, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

I find it rather baffling that the "get in" section now contains a non-standard "by road" section. It really should be a "by car", "by bus", "by bike" and so on section as the needs may dictate. The current layout is not particularly helpful to someone who might consider a bus but wouldn't consider driving or vice versa. Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:00, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm surprised, as TTCF, is the traveller not looking for transport options rather than a particular modality? So thru condensing subsections that only contain a line or two, the reader lands upon a more compact navigable page.

Sidewise to that, apols that I'm not including umlauts & other diacriticals in first edit savings. I'd reckoned to sprinkle them on later, like a waiter flourishing a peppermill. But my internet access is patchy, TTCF, so Urlaub trumps Umlaut. Grahamsands (talk) 23:27, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Well you might argue the point that the section should be "by road" instead of "by car" and "by bus" in the pub or at the appropriate policy page, but yes, we do indeed focus on the mode and not the infrastructure. Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:10, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I've reverted. Can anyone comment on the remark that the alley by Spittlertor should be avoided as it's the red light district? Is the issue safety, or sleazy shop windows? I don't recall seeing anything untoward or offensive there, but it was a sleepy afternoon. Grahamsands (talk) 10:23, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Further, in "Do" I propose deleting the big box about the Max Morloch stadium (which has indeed now adopted that name). I'll just leave a comment and link to the Wikipedia article, which covers this grand saga. It's of scant interest to most visitors. Views? Grahamsands (talk) 21:26, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

 * Please go ahead. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:38, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

 * I would oppose removing it. Stories like this give background on some issues (like the one on W. Walker in the Granada or the Nicaragua article or the one on "Emperor Norton" in the San Francisco article) and those that don't wish to read it can just skip it. Dead tress guides also have boxes like that. And he is called Max Morlock, not "Morloch". Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:54, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

 * Both Walker Granada and Emperor Norton are great stories, well-told, and add to my appreciation of the place - thanks for pointing them out. Whereas I'm sceptical of the Morlock box on all three counts. Eg it doesn't bring out why Max M is such an evocative name in German soccer, so it just seems an unedifying squabble. Grahamsands (talk) 13:23, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

 * He was German champion twice (1948 & 1961) and one of very few players to play throughout the Oberliga era and into the Bundesliga era. He was also world champion in 1954 and scored the crucial first goal for Germany in the final against Hungary. And I find the story of how the locals and fans - including the local public transit company - stubbornly refused to use sponsorship names and seem to have "won" for now interesting all by itself. I think there is a similar note in the Chicago article about locals not using sponsored names Hobbitschuster (talk) 09:55, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I've imported a bit more on sausages and gingerbread into "Eat", though it's created some overlap with "souvenirs". I'm inclined not to import more as the de-WV content is mostly about regional specialities, not specific to Nuremberg. Maybe just add a link to Franconia, unless someone spots an N-only treat I've overlooked.

I've also taken the liberty of removing the "non-standard by road" header above (ensuing text of course is unaltered). This was quickly resolved and didn't turn into a separate thread, it's all within the context of importing from de-WV. Grahamsands (talk) 20:44, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Stadium name infobox
I don't think we need such a long explanation for a stadium name. A short summary could be added to the appropriate listing. For now, I just moved the infobox to here. Xsobev (talk) 14:31, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

 * Apologies, I didn't see that there was a discussion in the previous section (Importing from German WV) about this infobox. I still think, this info should be shortened and added to the stadium listing, if you want to keep it. Xsobev (talk) 14:42, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Tram Map
While the dynamic map now includes the subway lines and certain politicians like to suggest that Trams are "better buses" (and some even say they're hardly that) I think it would be helpful to have the tram lines show up, too. However, I'd need some help with that as I don't think the tram lines have WP or WD entries... Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:01, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * While somebody (I'm too lazy to look up who did the edit) has added the trams, they don't show up on the map. Why? Probably the Wikidata and/or OSM stuff hasn't been done yet... Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:27, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Trams still don't show up
They still don't. Is it an OSM or a Wikidata thing? Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:02, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Why S-Bahn and not tram?
Why does the S-Bahn, which is of limited use for getting around inside the city show up and the tram does not? Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:13, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Nuremberg subway line color
For some reason the color of in the dynamic map has been changed from its proper bluish hue to a red either totally the same or night indistinguishable from that of. Can anybody tell me why and can we change this back? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:23, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Fixed the wikidata. -- andree.sk (talk) 19:27, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:25, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Should the relaunch of the bikeshare program be mentioned?
I reverted this edit because Again, I encourage Hobbitschuster to discuss edits rather than engaging in a stupid edit war. Ground Zero (talk) 18:40, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * it restored Hobbitschuster's intentional currency formatting error -- he knows knows what Wikivoyage formatting is
 * it restored trivia about bikeshare program history that I had removed. This is a travel guide, not a history book.
 * it restored a grammatical error -- the system did not relaunch itself, it was relaunched by program officials.
 * Don't call me stupid. Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:44, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I called edit wars stupid. Please read my comments before responding. Ground Zero (talk) 19:47, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Then why did you start one? Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:49, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Correcting intentional formatting errors and grammatical errors is not edit warring. Reverting without discussing is edit warring. It is something you do all too often. Ground Zero (talk) 19:51, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hobbitschuster, I have never called you stupid and you know that. Making false accusations in edit summaries is not constructive behaviour. Insisting on your preferred formatting over the community's decision is not constructive behaviour. You know what the policy is.
 * Now, why is important that travellers know the history of the bikeshare program in Nuremberg? As I explained above, and in an edit summary, this is trivia. You have provided no explanation for it, but have restored in 3 times now. Ground Zero (talk) 20:00, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Would you consider "the hotel has shut down three times in the last five years and changed owner ten times in the last twenty years" an instance of "useless historical trivia"? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:14, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * No, but this isn't a case of the bike share shutting down three times in the last five years and changing owners ten times in the last twenty years. Can you tell me why it is so important to you to mention a single false start on a bike share program that you would keep reinstating grammatical and formatting errors to ensure that it is mentioned? Ground Zero (talk) 18:16, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Nuremberg U-Bahn extension
The Nuremberg U-Bahn opened a new station Großreuth (U-Bahn Nürnberg) on October 15. We should add it to the mapshape. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:31, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

 * Assuming you mean the diagrammatic map in Nuremberg, I recommend approaching the map's creator, who is still active on Commons.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:44, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

 * No I mean the lines that show up on the dynamic map. Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:09, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

 * Those mapshapes are dependent on data from OpenStreetMap. Once the edit is made there (and it has been made already), it will take a bit of time before this change is visible here as well. Things like these require no action from us whatsoever. This change to the map should be visible here before the end of the month at the latest, or so I reckon. However, changes like these are quite unpredictable as to how quickly they become visible here. It could be visible tomorrow, it could be visible next week, but all we need to do is sit back and wait :) -- Wauteurz (talk) 22:01, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

 * As long as somebody at OSM takes care of it. It might be a good idea to check that the update has indeed been done over there, as you did. –LPfi (talk) 06:24, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It's strange that it still didn't show up, though - it usually takes a day or two, when I was adding various routes from OSM :-/ -- andree.sk (talk) 19:16, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Christmas market
From another travel guide: For the first time since WWII, Germany is canceling its Nuremberg Christmas Market Pashley (talk) 11:13, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Nusa Lembongan

Advertisement in sleep section
Hi everyone! In the sleep section currently some hostel/hotel operator keep recommending their own business. Same goes for some other Bali destinations Talk:Bali. Please feel free to adjust or delete them if you experience is/was different. Thanks (WT-en) Jan 05:36, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

 * Mates, this article is going from bad to worse. It is fully overloaded with ads ans non-style infos. Some business owners place in all sections their business... (WT-en) jan 03:59, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

 * Mainski are back and making entirely inappopriate and over the top advertising entries in multiple sections. Looking at the history of this page, why has the Mainski domain name/IP not been banned? --(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:47, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

 * I think that Mainski deserves a block for their consistent spamming of this page! In the past i solely forget to put some on the blacklist. I will write Jani/Peter a quick note. Feel free to revert them as I did in the past! Thanks for your efforts burmesedays! (WT-en) jan 14:54, 2 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Better to try to educate him/her first—it's amazing just how clueless some business owners are... The second step should be blacklisting the business' url. We try to keep blocks as a last resort, so lets wait on that option. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:14, 2 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Peter, thank you for approaching Mainski. Burmeseday and myself will see if it works. I know that blocking him is not desired but sometimes these business owner are annoying (especially in Asia). Regards, (WT-en) jan 03:15, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Yes, thank you Peter. I hope you advice does the trick. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:11, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

Clean up and added a map
Did quite a lot of cleaning up of the page, notably re-writing poor English. Also added a map. What is the real policy on all the advertising on this page please? I am never quite sure with Wikivoyage as the 'policing' of pages varies quite a lot. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:22, 26 July 2009 (EDT)

 * The main policies for dealing with spam are Project:External links and Project:Don't tout. There are some more specialized guidelines too, like our policy on tours and apartment rentals.  Hope that helps answer your question.  And nice work on this article, by the way.  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:11, 26 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Thanks Peter. I was aware of the guidelines and based on those this article is a bit of a mess and has been for long time! I will get editing. Cheers.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:09, 26 July 2009 (EDT)

Article looking a lot better
Well I think it is anyway :).

Removed some inaccuracies and rather tenuous claims by business owners, removed duplicate business entries in more than one section, tidied up email and website addresses and edited poor English. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:55, 28 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Hi Burmesedays! I would like to thank you very much for the cleanup of this article! I tip my hat for your work as I had to fight a rather lonesome war against the persitant business owners on NL. Keep up the sprit and have a great start in the week, (WT-en) jan 12:40, 28 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Thanks for the kind words jan. The article could still do with some standardisation but I think it at least now reads well and is very usable. I will try to keep an eye it on it. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:43, 28 July 2009 (EDT)

 * I suggest that the article should receive guide status as now the article is really good. Any objections? (WT-en) jan 08:14, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

 * The see, do, eat, and drink sections are not formatted properly. And the listing descriptions for the see & do sections need to be expanded. Once those tasks are completed, then I think this would qualify for guide status. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:04, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
 * I know the island very well and I must say that the article now meets the content guidelines to be a Guide article. Standard formatting is still an issue though as I indicated July 28. Let me look at that in next 24 hours.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:08, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

 * I must also point out though (WT-en) Peter that this is a tiny Indonesian island only 4 kilometres across. The formal formating for See and Do etc is really pointless as none of the places have phone numbers, websites or even addresses. To do 'proper' formatting for those sections just for the sake of a name and directions would seem a bit over the top and a lot of work for no usability improvement from the existing article. It is appropriate though for Eat and Drink I think. --Burmesedays 10:21, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

 * For the most part the changes I was referring to are really minor (e.g., Sunset Beach is a beautiful beach with white sand and crashing waves. → Sunset Beach. A beautiful white beach with white sand and crashing waves.) Looking more carefully at the article, though, I see that most of the bulleted points are not listings at all, that is, they should not be in listing format, nor should they be bulleted. The first half of the do section bullets activities (not activity listings for dive shops, spas, etc.). This should be converted to prose in paragraph form.  These are hardly major issues, but they are necessary to fulfill the "closely matches the manual of style" requirement of guide status.  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:36, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

 * I have now applied standard formatting to the Eat, Drink and Sleep>budget sections and will try to get the rest done soon. I hope then the article will be good and complete enough for Guide status.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:41, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

We are going to this island in Oct this year. i was wondering what we should take with us as we are staying in a private villa. Is there some where we can purchase food for us to cook or should we bring things from Bali, also can we hire snorkeling gear? thanks Deb
 * Deb this is probably not the place to be asking questions of that nature :). However, I am happy to help on my talk page User talk:(WT-en) Burmesedays. Please post any questions there. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:53, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Great job, but where's that map from? If you drew it yourself, do you have a larger, editable version? (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:47, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

 * I had the map drawn yes and effectively own it. It can be as large as it needs to be - it is drawn in 1:2500 and I have the original 300 dpi image. There is a slightly updated version now with a scale shown (whoops!). Why do you want to edit it?--(WT-en) Burmesedays 13:30, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Oh, I suspect for no particular reason - we just prefer to have the editable source file, so it can be changed if need arises. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 14:45, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Hi Burmeseday! I really like the changes you made in the article and think it should be a guide article. Peter is currently on holiday, so he might not response this week. I suggest we ask Stefan or Jani and if they have no objection you are granted the pleasure to change the status! Regards, (WT-en) jan 09:55, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Go right ahead and change it to guide -- but please do upload the largest version you have. Wikivoyage will scale it down automatically for web display, but we need at least around 3000x2000px for anything usable when printed. (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:15, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

 * OK done. 3507 x 2480 version uploaded at shared as Nusa_Lembongan_Map_Wikivoyage.jpg. I am more than happy for Wikivoyage to have this on file for any necessary future edits, but do not want it to be shown in the article in a way that allows any user to access the full resolution copy. Once that happens local business owners will take the map, edit it and claim as their own property - happens all the time in this part of the world. I have therefore left the existing low res (and slightly different) version in the article. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:21, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

 * That kind of defeats the point-- if you don't use the larger version in the article, then the user never gets to see a legible version. Not only that, but in uploading the larger file, you can't release it on a Creative Commons license and then add your own prohibitions on its use as well. That's just not how it works. I suggest you either accept that, or request that it be deleted entirely on the grounds that you didn't understand the licensing system. (WT-en) Texugo 01:59, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Ah. Now I understand. That is not how it was explained to me above: "Oh, I suspect for no particular reason - we just prefer to have the editable source file, so it can be changed if need arises. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 14:45, 29 August 2009 (EDT)". I have no problem releasing the image on an unrestricted Creative Commons licence in a LR format (as I did originally before the request was made for the original high res image). I am not going to do that for the orginal though as it will be stolen wholesale by business operators here for their own benefit. If that means you have to delete larger file, then please do so. Equally, if the administrators of Wikivoyage wish to retain the larger file for the purposes that were originally explained to me ("so it can be changed if the need arises"), then you are very welcome to do so. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 03:31, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

 * That is the original point. Administrators have no special privileges when it comes to article content -- any user can edit them, and all users must be able to reuse them within the terms of the license.  However, those licensing terms do not permit unlimited use, which may offer you legal recourse if businesses claim the map as their own.  - (WT-en) Dguillaime 03:47, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

 * As I said in my last post, I now understand but that was not how it was epxlained. Just read back through this thread. But really, no issues and my advice remains: if you have no way of dealing with this other than releasing the high res original larger file, then please delete it. Legal recourse for copyright infringement in Indonesia is quite an amusing concept by the way :) . --(WT-en) Burmesedays 04:16, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

 * "Stolen"? What exactly do you lose if somebody else uses your map?  One of the main points of Wikivoyage is that content here can be, and is, reused freely. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:39, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

 * With all due respect, what I lose in those circumstances is not really anyone's business bar my own. As I have now said 3 times, I understand Wikivoyage's position and there are no issues. Please delete the high res map image larger file, and let's move on. I have by the way now started work on article Nusa_Penida and would suggest it is now worthy of usable status. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 02:20, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Well, it's your file and your call, but it's definitely a loss to Wikivoyage and the world if you're unwilling to share a larger version that others could update and build on. Could I ask you to please at the very least upload a somewhat larger version of the current Image:Nusalembonganmap.gif?  The current one is so small that most of the labels are illegible. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:06, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Sure will, I will upload a larger version tomorrow. Thanks. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 08:18, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Deleted the larger file and upgraded Nusa Penida to usable. (WT-en) Texugo 02:30, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
 * Thank you very much Texugo. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 02:57, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

I'm a little concerned by the text on the image that says "Copyright [something] Bali Promosi Konsultan" and "[something] may not be reproduced without prior permission". I almost nominated it for deletion as a possible copyvio for that reason. Either way, we generally frown on having copyright information within the image itself, especially if it contradicts the free license under which it was uploaded. (WT-en) LtPowers 13:16, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
 * I'll second that concern, and venture that it probably should be vfd'd. (WT-en) Texugo 01:29, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
 * I do not have the file with me this weekend. However on Monday I will edit it, remove the offending statement and re-upload. No issue. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 08:31, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
 * Done. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:56, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

Nusa Ceningan
There will never be enough material for a developed article about this tiny island which a few people visit and where virtually none stay. I will therefore add a Nusa Ceningan section to this article and put a re-direct in place. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 13:22, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

Hotel website violating WT copyleft
Discussion moved here from User talk:(WT-en) Jpatokal page]]

Hi Jani, today 202.169.246.124 entered the following link to the Nusa Lembongan article in the sleep section: http://hostelisland.yolasite.com/ I think this is not ok as the page is a pure mirror of our NL article. I know we have a page for this at WT because its not within the licensing. I will delete the link to what to do with the page? (WT-en) jan 07:34, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

 * it is actually a Yola site apparently owned and built by the business owner. The whole home page is content lifted from WT Nusa Lembongan but there is information specifically about the business (Nanuk's Bungalow) on the 2nd level pages.  I see that the business owner re-instated the link and then Peter deleted it also :). I suppose it could actually stay as it appears to be the official website of that business? --(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:54, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Ah yeah, I may have done that too quickly. Better to allow the link, and contact the owner re: licensing violation. All he really needs to do is add Content of this page taken from Wikivoyage, licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:04, 19 September 2009 (EDT)

 * That same link has been put back. Could an administrator please explain to the business owner the copyright requirement? --(WT-en) Burmesedays 04:10, 20 September 2009 (EDT)

 * No need for an administrator to do so—there isn't any difference in status, authority, or whatever between any users on Wikivoyage. The difficulty, of course, is in actually getting a hold of the fellow. Try sending him an email ? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:20, 20 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Sure. Done. If that does not work I will actually drop in and have a chat with them. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:55, 20 September 2009 (EDT)

 * No response by the way, despite an email and user talk page message. Finding the owner is hard work period. I have therefore removed the url from the listing.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:14, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

Partial protection
I have inserted a partial page protection for eight hours due to the edit warring on this article. All registered users can keep editing this article. (WT-en) jan 08:26, 26 October 2009 (EDT)
 * I have no clue why the partial protection does not work and Peter is also surprised because we both tried to edit the article as anonymous user and we couldn't save it.(WT-en) jan 04:45, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

Based on the edit history, this article seems to be the target of a very, very long-running campaign by one or more business owners. Would it make sense to nominate this article for a one month (or longer) protection against anonymous edits in the hope of deterring them? As it stands right now it looks like almost any anonymous edit gets reverted, so a page protection doesn't seem like it would hurt us in any way. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:13, 30 May 2010 (EDT)

 * Full support from me. I know who these guys are. Their main sleep listing has already been blacklisted, but there is little we can do to stop the messing with the boat options and vandalising of competitors. They use dynamic IPs, mostly from Telkom Speedy, and we cannot blacklist these as that would close off access from most Indonesian internet cafes! Against that background, protection from anonymous edits seems like a smart move. As an aside, this article is very popular with Nusa Lembongan business owners as it has a fantastic Google profile - ranked 1st or 2nd on the most relevant and competitive searches. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:29, 30 May 2010 (EDT)

 * I've added a one month protection against anonymous edits - hopefully that will stem the business vandalism. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:28, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

Nanuk & his touting friends are continiously back. I entered a one week partial block to stop that mess. (WT-en) jan 10:28, 30 August 2010 (EDT)
 * Same issue again!!! Partial protection dont work. Any suggestions? (WT-en) jan 10:35, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

Making photo changes
I've just joined the wikivoyage gang and as a long time visitor to Nusa lembongan I must say I am disappointed to find that i can not change/update photos. I just had a wonderful panoramic from Jungut Batu "undone" by the administrator sitting in Berlin. Given 90% of people go to Lembongan to surf/dive (at Jungut Batu because that's where the surf breaks are) and/or chill and relax (Mushroom Bay) does anyone find it interesting that all the photos are from the rather desolate SW corner of the island where no one visits and there isn't much to see (and I know the island like the back of my hand). The site gives a very poor graphically representation of what Lembongan has to offer AND what the masses tend to go there for (surfing and diving). The photos should approx. reflect the balance of photos on Flickr or any other sharing site - i.e. of the major attractions and areas of interest (Jungut Batu, Mushroom Bay and Lembongan village). —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Lembongan (talk • contribs)
 * Hi! I assume you refer to my reversion of your picture changes. As I stated on your talk page my reversal was due to nonfuntional links you inserted. The last change from you was not challenged by my side (you need to purge the page to refresh to see that the top picture you added is their). NL is a star article but you can plunge forward. Learn a bit about the community first before complaining. I will add on your talk page our welcome message so you can learn a bit more about our guidelines. (WT-en) jan 10:46, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

Ok, Jan, point taken. Thanks for the input/feedback,. --(WT-en) Lembongan 13:44, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

 * Sort of fair point on the geographic spread of photos, most of which were taken by me on my favourite bits of the island. Only sort of fair though. The two underwater shots do not reflect your point, nor does the sunset or the mangroves pic. IF you have some freely licensed Lembongan surf pics please do upload them and we can use them. I do not have any.

 * Your comment about the desolate southwest "where no one visits and there isn't much to see no one goes" is highly arguable. Some find that to be the most attractive part of the island.

 * I would strongly disagree with your statement "The site gives a very poor graphically representation of what Lembongan has to offer AND what the masses tend to go there for (surfing and diving)". Find me a guide to Nusa Lembongan anywhere on the internet that is better and more balanced than this one and I will humbly doff my cap to you.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:51, 13 July 2010 (EDT)

Lembongan Cliff Villas-edit conflicts
Current revision at (05:44, 18 October 2010), by User:202.43.181.2
 * Swimming pool, bar, restaurant, BBQ dinners, free breakfast available. AC and fan rooms with Ocean and Garden Views.

When I look up the property I find the following information: from : Contact Us

Reservation & Sales Office : Jl. Sekar Sari Gg V/9, Denpasar 80237 – Bali Phone: (+62-361) - 9104949, Fax: (+62-361) - 465086 e-mail : reservation@lembongancliffvillas.com or sales@lembongancliffvillas.com

Coconut Beach –Lembongan Island. Mobile: 081 337 379396

At http://www.lembongancliffvillas.com/ I find the description: Lembongan Cliff Villas is located at the Selambung beach which is now known as Coconut beach, lies between the valley of Jungutbatu village and Lembongan village. This tranquil location is remote from the main crowded of the island where visitors feel the real nature atmosphere of Lembongan Island
 * General Information:

Lembongan Cliff Villas was built 7 meters above the white sandy beach overlooking to the three surfing points on the island, which are: playgrounds, lacerations and shipwrecks. 500 meters to the north side is Puncak Sari Temple, the grandest Hindu temple on the island. The magnificent scenery of Mount Agung and Bali island are clearly seen from the villas during the sunny day.

Lembongan Cliff Villas opened in August 2010 has some villas which are designed in Balinese style interior and building architecture. The main swimming pool with 5 x 8 square meters is available equipped with pool umbrella and long chairs.

This website appears to be operated by http://www.balitrips.net/lembonganhotels.html on behalf of the owners so I suggest the following listing unless there is some issue of marketing conflict going on here between the owners and the promoters in which case we should list the owners details if available, my concern is that this listing maybe otherwise promoting the details of a clumsy but enthusiastic hijack:

I am doubtful of the veracity of the edits by [202.43.181.2] as they have been obviously touting at the Amed and did some clumsy edits at Lovina article. I note that Burmesdays has been active on both of those articles tidying up that issue.

On the strength of that I am placing the following entry for Lembongan Cliff Villas into the article in substitution of the most recent edit by 202.43.181.2, if there is some problem with the contact details maybe it needs to be posted here on the discussion page:
 * Selambung beach lies between the valley of Jungutbatu village and Lembongan village. The hotel is nearby to Puncak Sari Hindu temple and some of the islands surfing breaks. Large stylishly furnished rooms, swimming pool, bar, restaurant, BBQ dinners, free breakfast available. AC and fan rooms with Ocean and Garden Views. (WT-en) felix 05:15, 20 October 2010 (EDT)

 * User:(WT-en) Burmesedays is the expert on this article, but I know there have been a number of touts abusing this article, resulting in several listings being removed. The article history probably provides the best record of what was done and why. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:50, 20 October 2010 (EDT)
 * User:(WT-en) Burmesedays seems to be MIA at the moment. I will just leave things as they are now and see what develop, hopefully nothing. If the silly business starts up again it may need some intervention as it seems to have had a long history. Thanks for getting back to me, cheers. (WT-en) felix 17:08, 20 October 2010 (EDT)
 * I have done a general spelling, grammar, de-tout, simplify, de-clutter and translate from bahasa indolish on the Sleep section listings most especially the Mid-range sub-section. Also a bit of a tidy up on the Get in-From Sanur Beach ferry/speedboats and WT linked Gili islands and Lombok destinations in the Get out section. (WT-en) felix 02:42, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

Victory Shine, multiple listings

 * http://www.victoryshinelembongan.com has been listed in the url field of the following 6 listings in the Nusa Lembongan article:

 * Victory Shine Beach front Bungalows & SPA - email info@victoryshinelembongan.com,  fax+62 366 24493, tel  +62 878 6132 3761 (Wayan)
 * Lembongan Secret Cliff Huts - email secretcliffhuts@gmail.com, fax+62 366 24493, tel  +62 878 7659 3513 (Agus)

 * Adi Bungalow Huts - email adihuts@gmail.com, fax-(not provided), tel +62 878 7659 3513 (Agus)
 * Alam Nusa Bungalow & SPA - email info@victoryshinelembongan.com,  fax+62 366 24493, tel  +62 878 6132 3761 (Wayan)
 * Dungun Bay Bungalow - email lembonganpay@gmail.com,  fax+62 366 24493, tel  +62 878 7659 3513 (Agus)
 * Bali Lumbung Huts - email  urip_lembongan@yahoo.com,  fax+62 366 24493, tel  62 878 6132 3761 (Wayan)

Victory Shine telephone number and fax number is in common with 3 further listings:

 * Rigils Lembongan Bungalows & SPA - email rigilslembongan@yahoo.com, fax +62 366 24493, tel +62 878 6132 3761 (Wayan).
 * Rigils Lembongan Bungalows & SPA has the url http://www.rigilslembongan.com/ listed in the article but lists the tel number, and fax number of Victory Shine. In conflict with this the email address rigilslembongan@yahoo.com is provided in the article however http://www.rigilslembongan.com/ website provides a different email address; reservations@rigilslembongan.com and also a html email form. Please note this is a different email address to the WT listing that provides a yahoo address.

 * Rickey Lembongan Beach Huts, Tamarind Beach - url (not provided), email rickeybeach@yahoo.com, fax +62 366 24493, tel +62 878 6132 3761 (Wayan)

 * Song Lambung Beach Inn - url (not provided), email (not provided), fax +62 366 24493, tel +62 878 6132 3761 (Wayan)

The http://www.victoryshinelembongan.com website only provides detail of 2 properties Victory Shine Lembongan Bungalows & SPA and Lembongan Secret Cliff Huts. Currently the Victory Shine website does not detail or list any other accommodation locations.

When the number +62 878 6132 3761 described on the Victory Shine Bungalows & SPA website is called it is answered by Wayan who describes himself as the Manager of Victory Shine Bungalows & SPA. The owner details provided by him verbally are confusing. Possibly Pak Adi is the owner. Wayan (the manager of Victory Shine) has promised to provide a telephone number for the owner of the enterprise/s but this has not been forthcoming. Pak Adi (the owner) has not responded to enquiries made to a number for him provided by another party. When calling +62 878 7659 3513, also listed on the Victory Shine Bungalows & SPA website it is answered by Agus.

It is noted that Nanuks Lembongan Bungalows", a previously blacklisted listing was associated with the tel number +62 878 61323761 in may 2010 (see Revision of 11:27, 22 May 2010)

Other numbers have been associated with these listings in the past including:

 * Adi Bungalows listing was originally established providing the number 081916268871, this number was called, the answering party described themselves as a "nephew". He was initially reluctant to identify either himself or the business but when prompted with the name Adi Bungalows he then said that he could take a booking. He soon became agitated when questioned as to his relationship with the accom provider for purposes of clarifying the listing status on WT and terminated the call, he was called back, but hung up again. This was the original contact number provide when Adi Bungalows was first listed in the article on 2 April 2011 by IP 125.167.96.105.
 * On 8 April Adi Bungalows listing was changed to +62 87862085432 by IP 49.128.191.2 The same IP later added the name (Agus) after the tel number and made some minor listing edits to accom details. Agus was then called and seemed confused about his role but was also prepared to accept bookings, he described himself as a family member of the owner. The number called is also listed on the Victory Shine website. He was asked to call back and confirm the details and operating relationship between the multiple listings and himself and provide details of the owner, he initially agreed to do so but has not called back with those details. IP 49.128.191.2 has previously been active replacing info@victoryshinelembongan.com  associated listings with various yahoo and gmail addresses.
 * Both (WT-en) Wrh2 and (WT-en) felix have performed rvt edits to several such edits in the past and IP 49.128.191.2 has been requested to leave edit notes or an explanation for the changes.
 * No explanation has been forthcoming to date and when Agus was telephoned today he seemed to be apparently unfamiliar with the existence of WT. IP 49.128.191.2 previously added the name (Agus) in a revision at 06:14, 8 April 2011. In a revision at 01:43, 10 April 2011 9.128.191.2 changed the tel number of Dungun Bay Bungalow from +62 878 6208 5432 (Agus) to +62 878 7659 3513 (Agus). Although Agus is not entirely convincing on the telephone. IP 9.128.191.2 has previously made a number of edits to details associated with all these properties including details of pricing and an extensive series of edits to many of the properties concerned regarding the provision of speedboat transfers.
 * If indeed all these properties are controlled by one family the swapping around of contact details may indicate a fraternal dispute is in progress or that the listings are being hijacked by persons other than the true owners and operators of these businesses.
 * The people answering the various phone numbers supplied in the listings describe themselves as family members of the owner. All responses seem inconsistent with that of a normal business operation, however they appear to want to accept bookings. Considerable prompting of the called party is required to identify either the business concerned or who is answering the telephone when first speaking with the answering party at the various numbers.
 * All concerned express an apparent unawareness of Wikivoyage and the listings in the Nusa Lemnongan article despite their activities being quite comprehensively promoted here.

Victory Shine is currently directly associated with the listing details of 9 separate accommodation listings in the Nusa Lembongan article. The responses provided to an appeal for edit notes or information on the discussion page followed by a direct approach by telephone to the numbers listed have been somewhat inadaquate and contradictory, accordingly the following action has been taken:

 * The primary Victory Shine Beach front Bungalows & SPA - email info@victoryshinelembongan.com,  fax+62 366 24493, tel  +62 878 6132 3761 (Manager-Wayan) remains as previously listed as it is consistent with the details provided and the phone number matches that provided on their website.

The same details as provided on the Victory Shine website will be used in replacement of the current listing details for Lembongan Secret Cliff Huts and also Lembongan Secret Cliff Huts until suitable information is provided to clarify why the WT article listing is not consistent with the information provided on the Victory Shine website.

Both the listings above are now subject to close scrutiny and are subject to possible removal from the article unless corrective detail is provided. The accommodation provider is requested to register as a business user of Wikivoyage and to describe the services they provide and the locations at which they are provided on Nusa Lembongan asap.

 * The other 7 listings containing email, fax and telephone numbers being inconsistent, unsupported or not matching those on the URL provided in the listing have had that content removed from the listing. This also applies to the listings containing url, email, fax and telephone numbers matched to Victory Shine as those 7 additional individual properties are not currently described in any way on the Victory Shine website.

Suggested remedy
 * 1.The accommodation provider should create a user account at Wikivoyage and register as a business user. Please refer to the article specifically providing information for business owners when doing this. This will identify the owner of the business on their user page. Doing so adds some transparency by clearly identifying the actual business owner, and also gives travellers a way to contact the business owner/manager with questions.
 * 2. The accommodation listings should provide contact details of the accommodation provider only, not those of a booking service or agent representing the provider. Please do not list an establishment many times. An establishment should be listed in the article for the town in which it is located, but it should be listed only once within that article. If these are entirely different operations being separately managed then it is necessary to describe why they they are not detailed on the webpage linked to the listing and why there are some apparent conflicts in the email addresses and telephone numbers provided. If they have a common point of contact and share a reception and management overview then please list them all in one listing as provided in the example below.
 * 3. If all these properties are operated by one family as suggested in some of the responses to direct enquiry then please detail the relationship on the User page so it is clear to Wikivoyage editors and to ensure that conflicts in information and listing detail are less likely to arise in the future.

Accurate and descriptive detail is imperative to the interests of the traveller, please ensure that in future the details provided only to the booking and reception numbers of the accommodation detailed in the article or those listings may be removed from the article. Please detail the correct information here on the article discussion page prior to making any further edits to these listings.

A example group listing format if the properties concerned are in fact under one ownership and management:

 * Provide a range of family owned huts, hotel rooms and bungalows in 9 locations on the island. A wide price range and accommodation styles are available with fan cooled and A/C rooms, some have single or double bedrooms, A/C, TV, DVD, hot water is available and 2 properties have dedicated spa facilities. Honeymoon packages are available. Most have bar and restaurant facilities, some have swimming pools and some are provided with a terrace or balcony. They provide their own speedboat services for a 25-30 min transfer from Sanur in Bali. Rp 450,000/person (return transfer) at 8:30AM, 1PM, and 3:30PM. Speedboat charters are also available from Lembongan subject to negotiation. :

General advice for listing in this article
 * Please do not provide your details as a contact or as a booking agent for an accommodation or any other provider unless you are the operator or owner of that business. Secondary booking agents or booking services should not be included in the listing.

 * If several properties are being operated under the same banner and through a common reception and booking service then that provider should be listed just one timme and the separate properties may be described within that listing. --  (WT-en) felix 12:00, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

The listings concerned are the following:

 * Balinese style huts with traditional alang-alang thatched roof and modern style bathroom, newly built in April 2011. A/C, fan double bed mosquito net and mini bar, 70 m from mushroom Bay.

 * Traditional Balinese house with garden, bar and restaurant. Accommodation for couples with honeymoon packages available at budget prices. Balinese massage and other treatments available at Balinese Alam Nusa Spa.

 * Views, restaurant & bar. Long chairs provided on the beach. 24 hr reception. Rooms have hot water, room security box, internal bathroom, cupboard and A/C. Ocean views, close to Scallywags and Dream beach. Rates Include breakfast, pick up at Lembongan harbour.

 * A new bungalow combining Balinese traditional style with modern architecture. All rooms have a fan, balcony and ocean views. Garden, kayaking, swimming pool. Sandy beach nearby.

 * Mushroom Bay beachfront location with traditional Balinese style grass-roofed huts with ocean and sunset views. All room rates include daily breakfast and snorkeling gear, boat, and guide are included. Stays of more than 3 nights include free sea kayak activities.

 * Standard and large family room. Bar, restaurant and swimming pool with spa. Rooms are furnished with antique wooden beds, mosquito nets. Private terrace or balcony looks into the bungalows garden. The bathrooms have a cold shower.

 * Small beach-side hotel nearby to local surf breaks, playgrounds and shipwrecks. Cottages provided with ceiling fans with either a large 1 bedroom or a 2 bedroom family option. All bathrooms have hot water. A bar and restaurant is provided and umbrellas are available for use on the beach. Ocean views across the strait to Mount Agung. Free pick up from Lembongan Harbour.

 * Private Traditional huts with own bathroom, A/C, balcony, garden surrounds of Bungalow, bar and restaurant. Free pick up from anywhere on Nusa Lembongan

 * All rooms are furnished with antique wooden beds and have A/C, TV, DVD, hot water, a private bathroom with a shower over bath and a terrace or balcony. A honeymoon suite is available and a 'continental' or Indonesian breakfast included.

Please make any edits to these listings here on the Discussion page first, do not change any detail of the above listings in the main article without discussion here first. -- (WT-en) felix 12:00, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

 * I've wondered about several of the recent edits as well and am glad you're spearheading this. If the business owner in question would explain him/herself it would be greatly appreciated. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:05, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

 * felix, during my (very) long absence, thanks so much for keeping a keen eye on this article. I think the line taken on Victory Shine is absolutely correct. I will find out more but I suspect this is an agent as much as anything else. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:21, 24 April 2011 (EDT)

Lead photo
I fear the lead photograph is too wide for smaller browser widths. It leaves "Nusa" on a single line with "Lembongan" pushed to beneath the photo for me. (WT-en) LtPowers 11:21, 2 August 2011 (EDT)

 * Good point. I have switched it with the Dream Beach shot.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:56, 2 August 2011 (EDT)

Suka Beach
This sounds like a decent listing but contact details are the absolute minimum required. A Google search reveals nothing except as part of a diving package. If anyone know this place, please insert contact details and place the listing back into the article.

 *  New, traditional-style, wooden bungalows with thatched roof. Two stories, private bathroom with cold-water showers, and a deck with chairs and a table. On the beach with a view of the ocean, overlooking Shipwrecks surf spot. Clean, fan-cooled rooms with double beds. Towels provided. Only two bungalows available. Family-owned, helpful and friendly. Father cooks most meals and was trained as a chef on Bali. Great value.

Cleanup of boat listings
There are 23 listings of boat services to the island, rather overwhelming in my opinion. I think the page would be improved by removing the listings and simply explaining ports, routes and sailing times in a clear way. Especially in the light of Covid-19 whereby many companies look like they might be folding, and only a few are still actively operating. Unless there is any objection, I'll make the edits next week. Natataek (talk) 08:18, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

 * Sounds good to me. We want to make this article user-friendly, regardless of the interests of the 23 boat businesses. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:45, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Nusa Penida

Now that I have pretty much finished with Nusa_Lembongan, I will try to knock this article into some better shape. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 02:07, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

In this diff, you removed some listings without explanation. Why? (WT-en) Pashley 05:39, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

 * I did explain I thought? -> (→Sleep - removed sleep listing... ghosted and gone). I have just now returned from Nusa Penida and both of those sleep options no longer exist.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:49, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Nusa Tenggara

There seems to be an assumption on much of this page that Bali is not really in Nusa Tenggara. Before I set about correcting the Get In section etc to reflect Bali's presence as an international hub, have I missed something?. Ta. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:01, 24 September 2009 (EDT)

Wallace line
I have just inserted the information. There's an unexplained dotted line on the static map which I first assumed as this line, but it's in truth the boundary of East and West Nusa Tenggara; the actual Wallace line passes between Bad and Lombok. Hence my edits. Ibaman (talk) 16:52, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

"Dutch may be spoken by some seniors."
Is this still true? -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 03:11, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Nuuksio National Park

Mentioning the both official place names in a bilingual place ridiculous? Could you clarify a bit? I understand that it might be unnecessary in your opinion, but claiming it to be ridiculous – hey come on! (WT-en) Ultrix 07:11, 20 December 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Nuwara Eliya

article name
Help somebody please! How do we get the very title of this page changed? It's Nuwara Eliya, not Nuwara Elya.--(WT-en) Wayneinmelton 16:10, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Done. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 13:31, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

Hatton
Hatton, Sri Lanka redirects here (redirect by User:Saqib), and Hatton is mentioned in many articles, but there is no explanation here. Is it another name for the city, a place in the city, a nearby town or something else? --LPfi (talk) 09:39, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Nyanja phrasebook

The pronunciation guide could use some work from somebody who knows their stuff, and the phrase list should then be referenced against it. Here's the best reference I found online, but it's pretty limited. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:51, 31 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Hey, I'm trying to add to this but I can't quite figure out the format, specifically in the latter sections. Are the spaces with elipses in them the places to insert the Nyanja terms, or are Nyanja phrases supposed to replace the unbolded English? Also, isnt "good morning" "mwaka bwanji", as opposed to "mwadzuka bwanji"? In addition, I'm not quite sure if "good afternoon" is different, but "good evening" is definitely "mwachoma bwanji". Then again, these may just be regional variations. I'm working off what's spoken in central Zambia, as opposed to Malawi or anywhere else. (WT-en) TheKaplan 17:41, 4 March 2006 (EST)

 * Hi, I will try and help, but I have not done work on the phrasebooks. See Project:Phrasebook Expedition and the Phrasebook template for information and format. You can also see some examples at Project:List of phrasebooks. I believe the answer is the Nyanja phrases do replace the unbolded English as you said. Thank you for your help and good luck with your edits. I will also put some links on your talk page User talk:(WT-en) TheKaplan that will help you. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 18:38, 4 March 2006 (EST)

 * Xltel is correct. So the plain text should contain the Nyanja script, and the italics in parentheses should have pseudophonetics. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:00, 4 March 2006 (EST)

Chewa, Chichewa, or Nyanja
I've only heard this language called "Chichewa" or sometimes "Chewa". As I opened this page, I was wondering what Nyanja was and where it was spoken, then I read the lead paragraph and thought, "Oh, it's just Chichewa." A bit of hunting on Wikipedia suggests that the majority of speakers live in Malawi where (according to the article) it's called Chichewa, as opposed to Mozambique and Zambia, where it's called Chinyanja. I admit I'm far from an expert, but given all this, should we move the page to Chichewa phrasebook? —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:28, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Nyíregyháza

Awesome! Great work! --(WT-en) Evan 17:22, 10 February 2007 (EST)

linked from Hungary#Do and Spas
I've added links to the Baths section of this article from Spas and Hungary, the latter as a stub for future content on baths in Hungary. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 03:45, 11 February 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Nyírtass

Shouldn't be merged
I don't really think it should be merged, because:

-Nyírtass is a separate entity from Nyíregyháza. It's not a district, exclave, or administrational territory of Nyíregyháza city proper

-Nyírtass, despite being small, is not an ordinary village. As you can see in it's article, which has been expanded a few times, it has many interesting historical attarctions, sights and activities of it's own.

-You have a place to sleep in Nyírtass, because you can rent out rooms in people's homes.

I don't really want to make the decision instead of you, but I advise you to read the article about Nyírtass again and make a new decision based on that, whether it should be merged or not.

Thank you!

-- (WT-en) Gineer 16:55, 18 March 2011 (EDT) (talk)

 * In general, if there is enough content to justify an article and if this town/village is truly a separate entity from the merge target then there wouldn't be a need to merge. It looks like the merge tag was added by User:(WT-en) Inas User:(WT-en) Globe-trotter, so provided Inas Globe-trotter is OK with letting this stand alone then the merge tag can be removed. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:54, 18 March 2011 (EDT)

 * Thanks for the advice! I wrote to Inas about it.

 * -- (WT-en) Gineer 16:30, 18 March 2011 (EDT) talk)

 * I misread the article history, it was actually Globe-trotter who added the merge tag. I've left a talk page note asking for comment.  One additional comment, when requesting feedback from another user it would be best to make any relevant arguments on the talk page for the article in question, rather than on the user's talk page.  The rationale is that people who are interested in Nyírtass will read this talk page, but not User talk:(WT-en) Inas, so it is best to keep information in one place.  Ideally the comments that are currently on User talk:(WT-en) Inas should be moved here, and the user talk page message would thus just need to be a request to comment here. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:45, 18 March 2011 (EDT)

 * Ok, I'll move the arguments here then. (WT-en) Gineer 16:53, 18 March 2011 (EDT) talk)

 * I'm fine with keeping as-is. The reason I added the merge tag is because it has only 2,000 inhabitants, usually way too small to keep as a separate article. Usually these small villages are visited using the larger city as a base. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 23:43, 20 March 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Nyiragongo volcano

Copyright Violation
The image and text seems to have come from the same website... the owner of the site notes that use of his content is "punishable by death", which I'm pretty sure isn't CC by SA... If you're the owner of the info, please let us know it's ok to use, otherwise this info should be deleted... (WT-en) Cacahuate 09:31, 15 January 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Nykøbing Sjælland

Anneberg Only in danish.

English meaning - Article name
What does Nykøbing Sjælland mean in English. Or rather, what does Nykøbing mean?. It is fairly clear that Sjælland means Zealand since the Zealand article starts - Zealand (Danish: Sjælland). If this is the case then the article name should be (translation of Nykøbing) Zealand, if the Project:Article naming conventions are to be followed -- (WT-en) Huttite 18:42, 18 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * Nykøbing is the name of the city, It is called Nykobing Sjaelland because there is three Nykobings. Nykobing probably comes from ny=new and kobing=something about buying, but the name is from around year 1100 and there is no english translation in use. --(WT-en) elgaard 21:12, 18 Jun 2005 (EDT)

title: Talk:Nykøbing Sjælland