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Talk:Wigan

List of Bus Services

 * 12 Leigh - Manchester via Atherton, Tyldesley, Walkden, Swinton & Pendleton (First Manchester)
 * 26 Leigh - Manchester via Astley, Boothstown, Worsley, Swinton & Pendleton (First Manchester)
 * 32 Wigan - Manchester via Hindley, Atherton, Tyldesley & Pendleton (First Manchester)
 * 33 Wigan - Manchester via Hindley, Atherton, Astley, Boothstown & Eccles (First Manchester)
 * X34 Lowton - Manchester via Leigh, Astley, Swinton & Pendleton (First Manchester)
 * 113 Wigan - Preston via Whitley, Standish, Wrightington, Leyland & Bamber Bridge (Stagecoach in Lancashire)
 * 126 Leigh - Trafford Centre via Astley, Boothstown & Worsley (SLT)
 * 132 Wigan - Trafford Centre via Hindley, Atherton, Tyldesley & Boothstown (SLT)
 * 206 Wigan - Wrightington via Pemberton, Orrell, Gathurst & Appley Bridge (Strawberry)
 * 313 Wigan - Skelmersdale War Memorial via Newtown, Pemberton, Orrell, UpHolland & Skelmersdale Concourse (Arriva North West)
 * 320 Wigan - St Helens via Platt Bridge, Ashton, Haydock & Sankey Valley (Arriva North West)
 * 352 Wigan - St Helens via Newtown, Pemberton, Orrell, Billinge & Carr Mill (Arriva North West)
 * 360 Wigan - Warrington via Platt Bridge, Abram, Golborne & Winwick (Arriva North West)
 * 362 Wigan - Chorley via Standish, Shevington & Coppull
 * 375 Wigan - Southport via Newtown, Pemberton, Orrell, UpHolland, Skelmersdale, Neverstitch Road, Ormskirk & Bescar (Arriva North West)
 * 395 Wigan - Ormskirk via via Newtown, Pemberton, Orrell, UpHolland, Skelmersdale & Neverstitch Road (Arriva North West)
 * 540 Wigan - Bolton via Ince, Hindley, Westhoughton & Deane (First Manchester)
 * 575 Wigan - Bolton via Scholes, Aspull, Blackrod, Horwich & Lostock (Arriva North West/Maytree Travel)
 * 576 Wigan - Bolton via Aspull, Haigh, Blackrod, Horwich & Lostock (Arriva North West/Maytree Travel)
 * 582 Leigh - Bolton via Atherton, Four Lane Ends, Over Hulton & Daubhill (First Manchester)
 * 593 Wigan - Leigh via Belle Green & Hindley (First Manchester)
 * 598 Wigan - Leigh via Ince, Hindley & Tamar (First Manchester)
 * 600 Wigan - Leigh via Marus Bridge, Ashton, Golborne & Lowton (First Manchester)
 * 601 Wigan - Leigh via Marus Bridge, Ashton, Golborne & Lowton (First Manchester)
 * 607 Wigan - Ashton via Worsley Mesnes, Marus Bridge & Bryn (Strawberry)
 * 610 Wigan - Hawkley Hall via Poolstock & Worsley Mesnes (First Manchester/Wigan Buses)
 * 611 Wigan - Wrightington via Standish, Shevington & Appley Bridge (SLT/Wigan Buses/Stagecoach in Lancashire)
 * 612 Wigan - Wrightington via Standish, Shevington & Appley Bridge (SLT/Wigan Buses/Stagecoach in Lancashire)
 * 614 Wigan - New Springs via Scholes & Whelley (SLT/Wigan Buses)
 * 615 Wigan - Leigh via Aspull, Blackrod, Horwich, Westhoughton & Atherton (SLT)
 * 621 Wigan - Kitt Green via Newtown, Pemberton & Norley Hall (First Manchester/Arriva North West)
 * 622 Wigan - Kitt Green via Worsley Hall, Norley Hall, Pemberton & Orrell (Arriva North West)
 * 624 Worsley Hall - Bottling Wood via Newtown & Wigan (SLT)
 * 625 Wigan - Beech Hill via Swinley (First Manchester/Arriva North West)
 * 626 Wigan - Beech Hill via Swinley (First Manchester/Arriva North West)
 * 628 Wigan - Kitt Green via Newtown & Marsh Green (First Manchester/Arriva North West)
 * 629 Wigan - Castle Hill via Ince & Hindley (First Manchester)
 * 630 Billinge - Platt Bridge via Orrell, Winstanley, Highfield, Wigan & Ince (SLT)
 * 631 Wigan - Highfield Grange via Marus Bridge, Highfield & Pemberton (First Manchester)
 * 632 Wigan - Highfield Grange via Pemberton, Winstanley & Marus Bridge (First Manchester)
 * 635 Wigan - Appley Bridge via Standish & Shevington (SLT/First Manchester)
 * 639 Wigan - Wrightington via Newtown, Pemberton & Gathurst (SLT)
 * 640 Wigan - Standish via via Pemberton, Kitt Green & Shevington (SLT)
 * 641 Wigan - Standish via Boars Head & Worthington (SLT)
 * 658 Wigan - Higher Fold via Platt Bridge, Bickershaw & Leigh (First Manchester)
 * 664 Belle Green - Pemberton via Ince, Wigan, Worlsey Hall (SLT)
 * 674 Belle Green - Bottling Wood via Wigan, Worsley Hall, Marsh Green & Wigan (SLT)
 * 715 Wigan - Bolton via Aspull, Blackrod, Westhoughton & Ladybridge (Arriva North West)

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Talk:Vechtstreek

Comments
I wonder if this article would be better merged with 's-Graveland, since that article seems to cover a wider area, which could be more appropriately discussed under the title of Wijdemeren. - (WT-en) Huttite 16:45, 11 January 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Wilderness backpacking

Bears
The section about bears seems like a lot of information on a rather specific topic that's tangential to backpacking, and possibly applicable in other contexts. It only applies in certain areas, and there are other animals that are more likely to pose a threat in other places (e.g. moose and cougars, where I've been). Do we need a separate article on bear safety (and one on cougar safety, etc.) or is this best handled in the individual articles where bears/moose/cougars/gryphons/etc are likely to be encountered? - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 08:38, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Good point. I appreciate your feedback. Yes, the bear info is somewhat excessive in relation to the article and is also not fully relevant to the topic (though not totally misplaced). Obviously, there is more that can be done in the event of a bear attack than say one by a lion or a moose. So, perhaps other animals do not need such extensive info and a simple warning to avoid their habitat is sufficient. Otherwise, perhaps a specific page dedicated to dangerous wild animals and safety could be established under an umbrella title. As someone who has encountered a bear, I think the info should definitely be in here, but in which format and where, I'm not sure. Personally, I would not favor placing the info on articles for places where these animals exist, because it would seem an unnecessary repetition. Take bears for example, barring Northern Europe, they exist in almost every temperate country, and so many articles would need to lose space to host exactly the same info. A link, as for 'high altitude sickness', would seem more appropriate. Anyway, just throwing out some ideas. By the way, to digress, did you see the movie 'Grizzly Man' about the guy who lived among grizzles in Alaska? He was one hell of a crazy guy, but you had to give him credit for living his passion...  (WT-en) WindHorse 09:18, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

Coming from norway, this section seems a little excessive, yes. However after having hiked in the Rocky Mountains, I see the relevance. Impossible to camp in the mountains in the US without bear safety being a major issue. I assume it is similar in russia too.--70.96.9.151 18:58, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

 * However totally irrelevent in a lot of other countries - it should be separated - North America and places where it is an issue should be a separate article - there are totally different wilderness backpacking issues on other continents... sats (talk) 15:08, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

 * There is some discussion about hazards by wildlife in Talk:Travel topics. Creating a page for such was postponed, waiting for development about Malaria and other diseases. I think bears, tigers, hippopotamuses, snakes, scorpions and such could be discussed on one or a few separate pages (wildlife in your bed and boots is relevant whether you are hiking or just have simple lodging). When such a page exist, the bears could be moved there. A reference and a more general warning about such hazards would be enough here. --LPfi (talk) 07:34, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

 * The hazards could be excluded completely and linked if it was a more general article sats (talk) 08:00, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

The more I look at this article
Please could we change this article to Wilderness Backpacking in North America? The more I consider the issues arising from the massive outdoor industry around the world - there are too many parts of the article that read like its for looking over Puget sound, or somewhere just out of Denver Colorado, rather than the Himalayas, or southern Chile, or Tasmania, or New Zealand, or a whole lot of other places that the outdoor industry has its massive range of gear produced for... - no offence to the citizens of USA who need to be aware of the indigenous wildlife and its safety issues - it would be good to get a handle on all the other amazing range of hazards on other continents. Any suggestions gratefull received. sats (talk) 09:26, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

 * I think most of the article is quite general. Most of it is good advice also over here, in the Old world. There are some issues of less importance where I go hiking, like the bears, but mentioning them does not disturb me. The bears could of course be put in another article together with similar threats, or the section expanded to cover more of them (leopards, snakes, what have you).

 * Issues missing is a more serious problem than irrelevant issues, but not everything needs to be included here. People going to hike in a country much different than their own should research local circumstances. Bureaucracy, attitudes, transport and diseases can mostly be covered in the country articles. Although I think some discussion about possible issues around the world would fit, I don't see the absence of that discussion too problematic. I definitively do not want a separate discussion about the need to drink and the importance of good footwear for every type of terrain and climate in every continent. Region specific articles should expand on what is written here rather than duplicating the basics.

 * It is possible that I, who have not been in Tasmania or the Himalayas, am missing real differences. Please clarify what the problems are, or better yet, write about backpacking in those regions, so that we can compare.

 * --LPfi (talk) 13:20, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your response - I think there needs to be a separate article for separate locations and you will see how us-centric this article is... sats (talk) 14:19, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Having this as an overview article, and then having more location-specific travel topics would be helpful. I know just about everything about wilderness backpacking and backcountry camping in the U.S., but simply have no idea whatsoever of how to go about it in other countries (because of potentially differing laws, bureaucracy, and attitudes). --Peter Talk 19:49, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Hiking_in_the_Nordic_countries is a good example how region specific articles can get. I do think parts of this overview article needs to be improved. sats (talk) 00:30, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Odd thunderstorm advice
The thunderstorm advice looks really strange for a wildlife backpacker: sit on your day-pack, get shelter on wide, open spaces. This may be good advice for some very specific situation, but I would seek shelter in the forest and keep going unless finding a good place to camp. --LPfi (talk) 09:44, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Overlap with hiking?
The scope of this article overlaps with hiking. Should the articles be merged? Or is there a significant difference? /Yvwv (talk) 23:56, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

 * It does overlap, but not every hiker will hike in the wilderness. This article was nicely written, and merging in advice for day hikes and countryside hikes without spoiling it would require some skill and quite some work. I see no advantage from having a single article cover all the variants, although I see a need for developing Hiking, which is not very useful at the moment. As that article develops, one could point here for some common issues, such as sleeping bags (and the other way round for lodging, if such a section is written there). --LPfi (talk) 06:36, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Pine branches as tinder
Dead branches low on pine trees are now suggested as tinder. Are they really useful for that? Over here we do use dead branches low on spruces, but they are thin and dry rather than rotten. Dead pine branches may be useful as firewood when the fire is already going. Are we talking about different kinds of pine here? --LPfi (talk) 11:23, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Hidden spare key
We now tell the backpacker (in Prepare):
 * If parking at a trailhead, hide a spare key nearby and conceal a folded note above a visor indicating your identity and expected return day & time.

I don't understand. Is the spare key for your own use or for a rescue team coming to search for you? If the latter, how do they find the key if it is hidden? And what does "above a visor" mean? Does it refer to a cap, and is there some convention about that? How do you get the note "above" the visor? Do you put that cap in a tree?

–LPfi (talk) 11:12, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

 * I read it like this: The spare key would be for yourself for the case that you drop the key in the nature (digging for something else in your pocket in the dark, slipping and falling sideways etc.) and don't notice it before you need it again. The visor would refer to the sun visor of the car, if you flip it up (away from the windshield) it can act as a document holder if you first fold the piece of paper and then put one side of the fold between the sun visor and the car's ceiling. Ypsilon (talk) 12:22, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

 * OK, that makes sense. I think separating the two would make the intension clearer, and being explicit about what visor is meant would help too (perhaps it is obvious for drivers and native speakers, but not for me). –LPfi (talk) 13:11, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Yeah, when I read "parking" I immediately started thinking about it from a drivers' point of view, but if one doesn't do that, the sentence can sound confusing. It's fixed now. --Ypsilon (talk) 16:25, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Wildlife watching

Wildlife watching

 * Delete: Has just no content. In a meanwhile I created a section in Travel Activities to breed content before it becomes a separate article. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 10:23, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep and redirect to Travel activities, agree with 58.8.1.171. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 17:03, 17 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Keep and redirect to Travel activities ~ 58.8.1.171 11:15, 17 June 2007 (EDT)

Done redirect. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 01:11, 19 June 2007 (EDT)
 * '''Redirect to Travel activities. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:19, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

Outcome: Redirected to Travel activities --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 14:19, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Wildwood (Georgia)

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Talk:Williamsburg

Disambiguation
What's the consensus regarding this being famous enough for an "otheruses" disambiguation?? I vote that it is. (WT-en) OldPine 21:51, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
 * It's the only one I've ever heard of (I live nowhere nearby), and a quick perusal of the list from Wikipedia didn't ring any bells. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 22:06, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Williston

The following links were removed from the main article. Their information should be compiled into the main article, not simply linked.

 * http://www.willistonnd.com/display.asp?groupid=37
 * http://www.willistonnd.com/display.asp?groupid=38
 * http://www.willistonnd.com/display.asp?groupid=54
 * http://www.ndgolf.org/directory/results.asp?ID=84

Listings
Please see Project:Goals and non-goals particularly as regards selectivity in listings. No need to list national chain restaurants. We want to offer selective recommendations. (WT-en) OldPine 21:48, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Williston (North Dakota)

The following links were removed from the main article. Their information should be compiled into the main article, not simply linked.

 * http://www.willistonnd.com/display.asp?groupid=37
 * http://www.willistonnd.com/display.asp?groupid=38
 * http://www.willistonnd.com/display.asp?groupid=54
 * http://www.ndgolf.org/directory/results.asp?ID=84

Listings
Please see Project:Goals and non-goals particularly as regards selectivity in listings. No need to list national chain restaurants. We want to offer selective recommendations. (WT-en) OldPine 21:48, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Wilmington (New York)

I'm working on adding more content to the page to let everyone know about this awesome place! (I'm also reording everything into alphabetical order, to make it easier for people to read.)--(WT-en) Ausable 19:47, 17 February 2011 (EST)

 * Much of the original intro, such as "draws rave reviews from travel writers, fly fishermen throng into the area", reads like a promotion or advertisement. Might be best to remove the hype and stick to the facts. K7L (talk) 05:10, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Wilmington (North Carolina)

point of view
Isn't this supposed to be from a neutral point of view? Lots of "I's"

style
In putting in entries for resturaunts, etc. I have loosely conformed to the Wiki style. I will work to fix it. -User:(WT-en) Lizz 12/17/2005

Outdated: film and television
This articles cites Wilmington as the "third largest film and TV production site". This is no longer accurate. North Carolina no longer maintains state-wide tax incentives for film and television, and very little production remains in Wilmington these days. The third largest site is probably somewhere in Georgia, but it is definitely not Wilmington.

152.7.255.228 17:13, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

 * Please feel free to delete accordingly. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:11, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Wilton Manors

Comments
I wonder if Wilton Manors should be treated as a district of Fort Lauderdale, rather than a separate city. This would mean Fort Lauderdale should be a districtified huge city, which might not be a bad idea. - (WT-en) Huttite 22:59, 3 January 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Windsor (Ontario)

Where are all you Windsorites? Let's add to this!!

Buy
I haven't set foot in Windsor since the dollar and dollarette were almost equal in value, so I'm wondering: how do most local merchants deal with Merkin money? I assume U.S. coins are still accepted at face value for convenience's sake, but what about bills? - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 21:52, 3 February 2007 (EST)

 * A U.S. dollar is greedily viewed as a Canadian dollar. I was there in August '06 and that's how our currency was handled.  Of course, they don't give you U.S. currency back, if you pay with U.S. currency.  I think the tunnel bus may be the exception to the rule, but I'm not positive.  If I remember correctly, they sign said $3.00 Canadian or $2.50 US. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 00:11, 4 February 2007 (EST)

American money, either bills or coins, will be accepted in almost all places. You will receive Canadian change back, usually at the current exchange rate. However, some businesses will have a fixed exchange rate which may differ from the actual rate.

 * Thanks for this info. This would be a helpful section in the main article.

Photos
I contacted the Windsor CVB and they're looking for images that they can send us that can be licensed under CC-by-SA 1.0. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 14:42, 26 February 2007 (EST)

News
Should the Windsor Star be included? ~ JasonCarswell (talk) 23:52, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Windsor (Ontario)
Years ago Stephen Colbert on his Colbert Report show once said that Windsor was the armpit of Ontario. I don't know if he's even been to Windsor, but I'm pretty sure he's not been to Sarnia, Hamilton, or Sudbury or he wouldn't have said that. Windsor used to be a blue collar town closely tied to Detroit and all the pros and cons that go with that. Windsor has come a long way baby. It's still no heaven for hipsters and can't compete with the cultural Mecca's of Vancouver, Toronto, New York, San Francisco, or Austin, but it just may in time as the Internet levels the playing field. Or not. I just went over the whole article. Please review as you see fit. ~ JasonCarswell (talk)
 * Thanks for making a nomination, and a good one too if I may say so. This is a good article with plenty of listngs but an overwhelming number, either. However, for it to be nominated it needs some work but at the same time is fairly close to star status. Quite a lot of listings lack coordinates and there are minor formatting issues here and there. There's also a listing with just an external link, and nothing else.
 * We should remember though that we don't nominate articles based on the city's culture, either now or in the past. Different cities are popular with different people. We give the status on the basis of the article's quality, not the place itself.
 * Also, just a quick note: there's an at least seemingly contradicting statement in the article which says that it is multicultural and then says it has small town charm. Could this be tweaked a little so it doesn't sound like a contradiction? Wouldn't affect star status much but would be a good thing to do. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 00:10, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

 * I have done not a little tweaking on the page and it keeps coming closer and closer to deserving Star status, but not yet. No Star article in Wikivoyage has such a tiny Get Around section or such a long and itemized Go Next section as this (it was even a "nearby" subsection, totally off-MoS - I tried to find a solution - but it's not right yet). Major cleanup and moving to Leamington and Kingsville and other articles of Essex County is needed. The Understand section could use some improvement, a History subsection. Let's keep working. Ibaman (talk) 22:43, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Comment: A "Nearby" section, which is used rarely, serves a different purpose from "Go next". A "go next" section lists the next town's Wikivoyage destination articles. A "nearby" section covers small outlying villages which aren't contiguous suburbs, but which are listed here as they lack their own articles. This applies primarily to small cities and towns, surrounded by rural villages which merit only a listing or two each. What is an article? expects destination articles to be of a reasonable size suitable to be carried in travel baggage, so doesn't require the creation of a separate article ("go next") for every tiny village. "Nearby" therefore contains listings; "go next" contains links to adjacent destination pages and itinerary. K7L (talk) 23:01, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That said, Essex-Kingsville-Leamington have their own articles, so any individual listings in and around these specific cities should be moved out of Windsor (Ontario) into the corresponding local destination article. K7L (talk) 01:34, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

 * I stand corrected :) but still, not yet. Ibaman (talk) 23:08, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

 * I don't want this to be a discouragement to the article improving, but can we slush this one for now and renominate this article when it improves? Otherwise we may just sit around while we "wait for improvements" that don't come to the article. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 23:13, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I wish we can hear other Wikivoyagers' opinions. As for myself, I won't stop tweaking. Ibaman (talk) 00:14, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, I think we should visit this nomination later — I just don't think it's necessarily ready yet. We can always give it time to develop. But yes, about reaching other Wikivoyagers — I've posted about star nominations in general to WV:Requests for comment, and the extreme opposition to my suggestion to remove star status altogether (in the pub) has actually brought attention to the star nominations. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 01:23, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * No. I just started on cleaning up many, many punctuation, capitalization, and formatting errors, and done spelling errors. I found festival dates from years up to six years ago. This article does not "... follow the manual of style exactly or is the exception that proves the rule." It should have been cleaned up before the nomination. Ground Zero (talk) 20:52, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Then it sounds like a slush to me. I'll go ahead and slush this one when I have the time. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 20:58, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Result: slushed. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 21:17, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Windsor and Eton

I moved this page to disambiguate from Windsor (Ontario). See the article naming conventions for details. --(WT-en) Evan 10:48, 21 Dec 2003 (PST)

Beaumont Estate?
, I noticed the Principal Hayley hotel Beaumont Estate is not listed, can we have it listed? Send me a message if you require any details not public on the website VerbInteractive (talk) 19:23, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

To save time here is the proposed listing with just factual info:

VerbInteractive (talk) 13:54, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Thank you. Added. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:03, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

 * I looked at the website. That's a really beautiful property! Can you describe some of the exterior and interior architectural elements in a way that would help a reader have a sense of them at a glance? I gave it a try but I believe I fell short a bit. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:07, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

 * How does this sound: The Beaumont Estate is a hotel and event venue offering over 400 bedrooms and 75 event suites. It originated as a family home from the 14th century, and is made up of several buildings - including an old school house and an iconic white mansion – featuring ornate architecture like grand white exterior pillars, barrel-vaulted ceilings and stained glass windows. VerbInteractive (talk) 13:52, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Terrific. I'll add that, minus the name, which we generally don't include in the content tab. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:50, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Windsurfing

VFD Discussion

 * Delete. Could be a useful travel topic if fleshed out, but this one-liner dictionary entry has nothing to salvage.  -- (WT-en) D. Guillaime 01:52, 27 December 2011 (EST)
 * Keep. It is a legitimate topic, and a brand new article just started in the last few days. If the contributor who started it fleshes it out, great. If not, leave it in hopes it will attract a writer or five. (WT-en) Pashley 02:09, 27 December 2011 (EST)
 * Keep. While possibly the weakest article on the site ;), it is a legitimate topic, and as such, should be given a year to develop per Project:Deletion_policy. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 05:39, 27 December 2011 (EST)
 * Delete. If the bleedin' obvious is removed, the existing article has no content.  I thought the keep for a year policy was developed as a sword - to allow us to cut down stub travel topics and itineraries rather than having undeveloped articles hanging around forever.  It seems strange to see it being used as a shield to keep otherwise contentless articles.  --(WT-en) Inas 19:19, 8 January 2012 (EST)
 * The deletion policy is quite clear on this—keep stub/outline itineraries for a year. There are 7 reasons to delete as outlined in that article, and this doesn't strike me as an unusual case that would require more thought than just applying the policy as written. "Really bad articles," which this article presently is, are explicitly mentioned as something that should not be deleted (provided they do not fall into the 7 reasons above) so that they have the opportunity to develop, as Pashley says. As you know, I mostly show up on this page to make sure the deletion policy is strictly followed—I have no attachment to the article topic ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:18, 9 January 2012 (EST)
 * If someone adds a bad line of text to an existing article, we revert without a second thought. Someone adds the same line to a new article, we keep it for a year, and cite a policy which was developed to help us get rid of underdeveloped articles.  Hmmm.
 * We have a vfd page because these things aren't always clear-cut, and need some interpretation. You're voting in favour of keeping what you said is the weakest article on the site.  I'm voting to delete it.  In a year, we'll agree :-) --(WT-en) Inas 23:57, 9 January 2012 (EST)
 * I don't see any room for interpretation, when the policy directly and explicitly defines what to do in this case. Don't like it, start a discussion to change it. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:36, 10 January 2012 (EST)
 * I'm not sure if you don't understand what I am saying, or if you get it and disagree, so I'll try and be clear for completeness, and then drop it.
 * I understand your interpretation of our policy. However, I think the policy you are quoting guides us what to do with an article which remains an outline after 12 months, but doesn't effect our decision making prior to this point.  The policy was created as sword, to guide us when to delete, and not a shield for articles that would otherwise be valid candidates for deletion.
 * So while I see the basis for your interpretation, I'm not yet convinced by it. --(WT-en) Inas 00:59, 10 January 2012 (EST)
 * Yes, I understand that the 12 month bit doesn't mean that we shouldn't delete itineraries or travel topics prior to that expiration date, provided there is a deletion rationale. As far as I can tell, the argument for deletion here is that it is a bad article, but the deletion policy explicitly rules out that argument: "Really bad articles. Sometimes articles are a sloppy mess, or just a bunch of notes and ideas. These articles should be improved rather than deleted." --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:59, 10 January 2012 (EST)
 * Okay, I'll take it to the discussion page. --(WT-en) Inas 17:11, 10 January 2012 (EST)
 * Keep. Quite apart from the policy discussion you guys are having, look at the article now. Do you still want to delete it? I don't. Clearly, not only was it susceptible to good edits, but some good editing has already occurred. I can see no good reason whatsoever to delete the article, regardless of the policy discussion. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 08:20, 11 January 2012 (EST)
 * "susceptible to good edits" indeed!  :-) --(WT-en) Inas 17:20, 12 January 2012 (EST)

 * Keep - I've indeed added some info to make it a viable outline article, as I too think it's a legitimate subject. I think it's now fine to stay and hopefully be developed further by other users. (WT-en) Justme 09:10, 11 January 2012 (EST)

Result: Kept. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:50, 21 January 2012 (EST)

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Talk:Wine

Comments
Welcome. I have created this page as a resource for people who are interested in visiting the great wine producing regions of the world. I have visited a few, and hope to eventually visit a lot more. I hope others with a similar interest will help to make this a useful site.

(WT-en) Brhumphreys 16:35, 24 February 2008 (EST)

This idea has lots of potential. Some thoughts for further development and organization: I have tried to work out these ideas on pages about Italy. Further thoughts are appreciated! (WT-en) Timo Laine 08:24, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * on Wine tourism there would be only general information that applies everywhere, like instructions on how to visit a winery, ideas on how to explore a region and where to sleep, etc., and a list of wine regions by country
 * the wine regions themselves (for example Napa Valley or Chianti, but not California or Tuscany in general as they are so much more than just wine regions) would have more elaborate pages on what kind of wine they produce, what kinds of particular details there may be, and listings of wineries
 * some info could be put in the main country articles as well under the Drink section, but this depends on the country: in Italy it makes sense, but the US for example may be too large and diverse to put a lot of info about its wines on the main page

Recognizing tourist traps
How would you experts recommend to recognize whether a winery is surely a tourist trap or not? As one of examples, in Hungary or Peloponese or Santorini--where I've been. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:46, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

 * That's a tough one to answer. In South Africa most wineries seem to have become tourist traps. I can buy a bottle of Nederburg or KWV cheaper in my local Johannesburg liquor store than I can on the estate in Paarl. At others, such as Rhebokskloof (if it has not changes since last I was there), one can still get a bottle at a good price and even find some that they only sell locally and do not distribute. --(WT-en) Nick 17:15, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

 * Would be great if we end up with some recommendations on this, incorporated into the article. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:50, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

 * General rules are hard to spell out. At least in Italy the danger is not too great. I have visited several wineries, sometimes quite indiscriminately, and not one in my opinion qualifies as a tourist trap. Of course it depends on the definition of a tourist trap. (WT-en) Timo Laine 04:19, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

 * I agree with Timo and Nick. While I appreciate the need for information of this sort, in my experience it is difficult to generalize.  I would characterize an arranged tasting I had once in Montalcino as a tourist trap experience because the owner charged us full retail (60€) for a bottle of his wine, which constituted our tasting.  I have done a lot of tastings at many, many wineries in Italy, Spain, France, and Germany (plus California and the mid-Atlantic in the US), and have not come across many places I'd call tourist traps.  But I am choosing places out of wine guide books, Wine Spectator, etc.  Usually, if you are at the place where the wine is made, you are unlikely to have a bad experience. I would be happy to draft a section on selecting tastings that might address this problem.  I would be interested in hearing about other wine tasting tourist trap experiences.  --(WT-en) Brhumphreys 21:31, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

 * > I would be happy to draft a section on selecting tastings
 * I believe that any content that can help to introduce a novice into this topic would be highly appreciated here. So definitely please plunge forward. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 13:54, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

To Usable
This article is currently an Outline, which at least in theory means it is threatened with deletion. It obviously would be a shame for this kind of article to be deleted, but currently, it's kind of listy. Some ideas for improving the article that were posted in 2008 (including what kind of wines particular areas produce, listings of particularly interesting wineries, and perhaps information to novices on what to expect from a tasting or/and how to select good places to visit for tastings) still apply. Do you have others? If someone wanted to post maps of places that are major wine-growing areas, that could be helpful. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:49, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not clear why you linked to our "Avoid long lists" policy; the longest list here is only 13 items. Also, I didn't recall that we were applying the one-year rule to travel topics; do you remember where and when that was decided?  Powers (talk) 20:36, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No, I don't know. Is it untrue that a travel topic is threatened with deletion if it's an Outline without edits for a year? The reason I linked to "avoid long lists" is that I couldn't figure out where else to link, but I know that lists without further description are frowned upon on this site. What's the correct policy to link to? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:26, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The "merge or expand" note was added to Template:Outlinetopic and the accompanying "eligible for deletion after a year" condition was codified in policy at Deletion policy 4 years ago, after discussion at Wikivoyage talk:Deletion policy. Texugo (talk) 21:53, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Anyway, we have lots of travel topics that are little more than lists; I don't think that alone should disqualify a topic for usable status.  While it's true that at the moment this is little more than a list of wine regions, that in and of itself is not bad.  There's certainly a lot more that could be said, though.  Powers (talk) 01:02, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * This article might be marginally Usable in its current form (though I think that's questionable and would suggest that it is still an Outline), but it is not yet good. Perhaps what we should focus on is what changes could make it good. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:15, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

title: Talk:Wine


text: Talk:Winnipeg

title: Talk:Winnipeg


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Talk:Winsen an der Aller

Quickbar
We don't use quickbars for cities, so I'm putting it here. (WT-en) texugo 01:23, 9 September 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Winstrom

Does this place exist? If so, please say where! -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 17:04, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

title: Talk:Winstrom


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Talk:Winter sports in Australia

Football is a winter sport. Perhaps this article should be Snow sports in Australia. (WT-en) Nurg 05:14, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)

Redirect/Merge
This article doesn't really contain any more information than just a pointer to the ski fields and snow sports areas of Australia. This information could easily just be in the main Australia article, and I'm thinking of just redirecting this article, and putting the information there. Thoughts, objections, support anyone? --(WT-en) Inas 22:13, 13 May 2009 (EDT)

Rename to Winter in southeastern Australia?
I'd like to broaden the scope of this a bit more, and include a bit more non-skiing activities in this article. Another alternative would be to broaden the scope even further to Australia as a whole, as much of the north is only easily accessible during winter but then we'd have to mention snorkeling etc. I'd like opinions on whether we should rename this to Winter in southeastern Australia or Winter in Australia. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:04, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

 * Or alternatively, merge the NSW and Victorian content to Australian Alps. The Tasmanian section is already mentioned in Tasmanian national parks and we do not need duplication. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:06, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Winter sports in Australia
There are a few issues with this article. I have been thinking for sometime to create an article called Winter in southeastern Australia, or Winter in New South Wales, ACT, Victoria and Tasmania, so if I do feel like creating it, I suppose this can be merged, but until then, it remains too encyclopedic. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:27, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) The scope of the article seems to be only about snowsports, not rugby or Australian rules football, both of which are far more popular than snowsports. However, this can easily be fixed by renaming it to Snowsports in Australia
 * 2) A list of ski resorts is more on the scope of an encyclopedia than a travel guide

 * This doesn't look like a deletion request. Why is it here? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:50, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It is a deletion request. I only vote to merge it if I feel like creating those topics, but I'm not very knowledgeable about it (so I probably won't create it), and that is why I want to delete this encyclopedic topic article. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:02, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The listings for New South Wales are instructive for people who want to ski and could serve as examples for the other listings, so I'm reluctant to support deletion instead of merging the useful content somewhere. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:26, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Kosciuszko National Park for NSW? (which can be done without using the article) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:45, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It looks like the listings go beyond that park. Would merging some of the information to Snowy Mountains work? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:43, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Which ones aren't in the park though? Alternatively, we could merge this entire thing into Australian Alps. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:52, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The first 3 listings don't say they're in the park. If they are, yeah, that merge is fine. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:41, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah I just noticed that the article doesn't say so (but the respective articles do). That would resolve NSW, Victoria and the ACT, while the two Tasmanian ski resorts are already mentioned in Tasmanian national parks. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:22, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It could be renamed to Skiing in Australia. As it stands, it doesn't even cover other sports played on snow and ice like snowboarding and ice skating. Gizza ( roam ) 00:04, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @DaGizza Agree. A quick look on Wikipedia also shows that many Victorian destinations (plus the one in Country ACT) are missing as the article currently stands. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:29, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Made a start to Kosciuszko National Park. Now just the Victorian ones left. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:05, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

 * Keep I think this article is useful as it is. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 10:47, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

It's more than 14 days now, but there isn't one agreed solution here. I disagree it's useful as a list of ski resorts are better found on Wikipedia, especially when many are missing. Based on this discussion, there are four options: I personally favour merging to Australian Alps, as it's easier for information to be in one place rather than scattered across multiple articles. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:21, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and do nothing about it
 * Merge to Australian Alps
 * Rename to Skiing in Australia as per 's suggestion
 * Delete.

 * Merging doesn't require a consensus here; instead, this thread should be closed as a keep and then you should ask for a consensus on the article's talk page to do the merge and redirect. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:02, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

 * Result: Not deleted. What else to do to the article can be discussed further on its talk page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:15, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:Winter sports in Australia


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Talk:Winter sports in Austria

apres ski
basicly you can define apres ski as I like to call it as "drink and drive". it doesnt depend whether you drink before dashing through the snow (lol) or after. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 131.130.239.21 (talk • contribs)

Great apres ski in Austria. Also try the 'Germknoedel' (Austrian specialitiy, sweet dumplings) —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 80.47.164.150 (talk • contribs)

beginner with children: factors to consider
We are considering to go to Austria in January for a week. What factors are foremost to consider in choosing village/resort and hotel, if we are going with a 1.5-year baby, and ourselves are beginner level aline skiers? We are looking at Mayrhofen right now, but it's quite random choice--any ideas whether it can fit our situation? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:30, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

how to choose skiing school; ski rental shop
What factors should be considered? It it's all about "research recommendations"--where such recommendations can be found? Personally I'm interested for Austria, but looks like it's better be described in Alpine skiing. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 18:20, 3 February 2010 (EST)

 * → See also discussion on the same subject in Talk:Alpine skiing. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 14:27, 23 February 2010 (EST)

Mayrhofen initial draft
(copied from the Pub)

I have just finished to post the info I found most valuable from my recent trip to Mayrhofen, a winter ski resort in Austria. As myself I don't see what important I could add, I'd like to ask for feedback on what's written so far. So if there's any criticism/missing parts, I could fix (or reason why it shouldn't) soon, while I remember most of the details.

The guide is far from even usable status, but I hope it is still somewhat useful already.

No local knowledge or skiing experience required ;-)

Thanks for any feedback! --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:11, 4 February 2010 (EST)

 * And if anyone is knowledgeable on Skiing in Austria, please feel free to move from Mayrhofenn stuff that applies to everywhere in Austria to Winter sports in Austria (or let me know and I will move it myself, if it's earier for you). --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 02:37, 7 February 2010 (EST)

 * Oops, the link was broken: here is a correct one: Mayrhofen. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 15:28, 12 February 2010 (EST)

title: Talk:Winter sports in Austria


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Talk:Winterthur

Strange Do/Sees
Am I the only one to find it a bit wierd to connect the Rhinefalls or the Lake of Zurich with Winterthur? Blubb 10:35, 26 January 2007 (EST)

 * You might be, just because this article hasn't had a lot of editorial work. Should they go under "Get out"? Should they be moved to another guide? Please, plunge forward! --(WT-en) Evan 13:08, 26 January 2007 (EST)

title: Talk:Winterthur


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Talk:Wisconsin

I removed the content of the "Understand" section because it was factually incorrect and biased. First, it claimed that "Wisconsin has the nation's most liberal drinking-and-driving laws." The legal limit in Wisconsin, 0.08%, is the same as the majority of states in the U.S., although many others have an even higher limit of 0.1%, and many states have less harsh penalties for first offenses than does Wisconsin. It is incorrect, therefore, to state that Wisconsin's laws are the "most liberal".

Further, the "Understand" section went on to claim that "Wisconsinites do not have a strong independent culture," offering as evidence: "Many root for the Chicago Cubs or Minnesota Twins, for example." This is an unsupported opinion of the author and one with which most Wisconsinites would strongly disagree. Even using sports teams as proxy for culture, the state of Wisconsin proudly supports the Green Bay Packers football team, the Milwaukee Brewers and Bucks baseball and basketball teams, and the various sports teams of the University of Wisconsin. Support for each of these teams far exceeds any pockets of support for Chicago or Minnesota sports teams.

The paragraph went on to say, "They do not speak like Canadians as in the movie Fargo." Fargo was a motion picture set in Northern Minnesota, not in Canada. Regardless, this negative contrast is not a useful one to make, and this blank discussion of regional accents adds nothing for potential visitors.

I am working on some replacement content. [Added in December 2005]

Wisconsin regions
So, as with most of the United States we'll need to break Wisconsin up into some smaller regions. The official tourism Web site divides the state into three regions -- north, central, and south -- and thence into counties. I think that should probably be fine. Is there any problem with this? --(WT-en) Evan 21:57, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * How about this. Seems to be the most popular way of breaking the state into regions, and we might not have to divide them into sub-regions.  Any thoughts? -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 09:35, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

 * That looks like a good scheme to me. And this article is becoming a bit of a mess, so I say we go forward with this. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:29, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

 * I agree. Looks great. (WT-en) OldPine 13:43, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Here are the existing, ad hoc regions, which should probably all be merged into the appropriate regions in the new scheme:

--(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:40, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Juneau County
 * Milwaukee
 * Ashland County
 * Chippewa County
 * Eau Claire County
 * Door County
 * OK, these are all listed as sub-regions now. (WT-en) OldPine 17:00, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Wisconsin Brewing
I changed the previous entry that indicated that Pabst moved their brewery in Milwaukee to St. Louis. That is not true. Pabst closed their Milwaukee brewery (and all of their breweries) and began to contact out the production of their brands, mostly to Miller breweries. Also, the Schlitz brewery no longer exists and hasn't for quite some time. The Schlitz brand is owned by Pabst and is most likely manufactured in Miller breweries on a contract basis. FYI famous national brands brewed in Milwaukee by Miller or by Miller under contract from Pabst include Schlitz, Miller, Pabst, Old Style, Blatz, Old Milwaukee, Stroh, and Hamm's.

 * Thanks for the update. Did you work for them? -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 02:35, 2 November 2006 (EST)

Wisconsin Inns
I think it'd be great to have all 20+ inns represented by the Wisconsin Inn Association listed in their respective cities in Wikivoyage, but per external links we don't want the link here at the state level. --(WT-en) Evan 22:33, 13 December 2006 (EST)

 * Here's the listing, by the way: Bed and Breakfasts of South West Wisconsin Hidden Valleys, Email: info@wisconsin-inns.com Our association represents more then 20 inns in the south west corner of Wisconsin.. Probably good for some data mining. --(WT-en) Evan 22:34, 13 December 2006 (EST)

Guns?
Is this photo for real? Should we have some comment on Wisconsin gun law here? Pashley (talk) 23:35, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article?
In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:39, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The existing banner is suggestive of something, while the new proposed one could be any city anywhere in the midwest. I'd prefer we kept the existing one. Texugo (talk) 02:45, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The existing banner is bad since it could be anywhere. It is not very complimentry to Wisconsin either (it is hinting that Wisconsin is really cold, boring, and that there is nothing much to do there). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 03:26, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * More than whether which one is more ubiquitous, my problem with the proposed one is that it's too specific to a certain city rather than reflecting the entire state. I think the current one does a better job of that. PerryPlanet (talk) 04:23, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * ויקיג'אנקי, I don't dislike the current banner as you do. I think it's a pretty snowy lane. I haven't been to Wisconsin, but I tend to agree with PerryPlanet's reasoning. Your banner would work better as the banner for Milwaukee, except that I like the current banner for that article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:24, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

 * Personally, I don't find either banner to be particularly interesting. The top one is just a snowy backroad and the bottom one is a dull cityscape. If these are the only options, I would prefer the top image, but I don't really like it. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 14:39, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Map
Shaundd, what about drawing a more deserving map for this State as you have already done in previously for Oregon? PS I would suggest to use the current standard Wikivoyage design instead of the experimental one used in Oregon, but I don't want to block or ruin your inspiration ;-) so feel free to use the one that you prefer most. -- Andyrom75 (talk) 18:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Andyrom75, I uploaded the new map to Commons tonight -- English and Italian. I don't have time to update the template right now, but will tackle it tomorrow. -Shaundd (talk) 05:30, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for the new map, and very kind of you for preparing also the IT version :-) PS Don't treat me so well, otherwise I could ask you "IT" support for other maps ;-) :-P -- Andyrom75 (talk) 08:06, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That's funny. If I'm working on a map and the translation is already done (like Wisconsin), it's not difficult to add another language. -Shaundd (talk) 04:29, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Woking

Comments
I believe this page, when it is at guide status is worthy of going onto the Discover page for this:

In the original version of HG Wells' War of the Worlds, not the recent Hollywood movie, the outskirts of Woking were the location for the aliens' attacks on Earth!

Seriously HG, what were you thinking!??! (WT-en) Tsandell 05:51, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Wolfforth

Worth its own article?
I'm not convinced this should be its own article. I can't find mention of any hotels here, nor can I find a single attraction of any kind. (WT-en) Texugo 04:17, 10 April 2008 (EDT)

title: Talk:Wolfforth


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Talk:Wolkberg Wilderness Area

Hi all,

originally this article was on wikipedia. But hiking trails don't belong in an encyclopedia. So I came here :). Happy hiking!(WT-en) Piotr567 11:31, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Wollemi National Park

I am thinking about moving the line: This may be a problem if you rent a car from the majors. to Driving in Australia and changing it to be far more general. The problem would not only apply to major (?) rental companies but all rental companies. There needs to be more explained about why it is a problem.

I fail to see why driving on unpaved roads is a problem for rental companies as it is inevitable that tourists will need to drive on them at some stage. It has never been a problem for New Zealand rental companies. There are some roads that are excluded from car insurance policies generally, so the problem is not just for the rental cars but any car owner. What the rental companies and their insurers do is put statements in their contracts like:
 * The driver/hirer is responsible for any damage to the car => you pay for repairs or pay insurance.
 * Certain roads are excluded from the insurance policy and the driver is not permitted to operate the car on those roads. => you pay for repairs as well as insurance and may lose your bond too as well as being blacklisted.

I think the problem is a lot more general in that stated, but know little about the area to define it. Can anyone else enlighten me -- (WT-en) Huttite 21:40, 8 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Normally driving on unsealed roads with a car rented in Sydney from a major car rental company is not a problem. You can't go off-road, but a gravel road is usually no problem. --(WT-en) Inas 05:23, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Wollongong

Removed first person text by (WT-en) Metamo.
 * A semester at the University of Wollongong gave me a chance to get to know the city. This has no chance of becoming a comprehensive section in one sitting, so a few notables:

 * (WT-en) Huttite 05:16, 24 Mar 2004 (EST)

Do you mean "sometimes professor" (sometimes he's a professor, and sometimes he works in the kebab shop) or "sometime professor" (he was a professor before, and now he works in the kebab shop)? -(WT-en) phma 12:14, 24 Mar 2004 (EST)

Stay safe
Would someone like to correct it, one of the biggest myths of drink spiking is that you have to leave it unattended for it to be spiked, I know that you can be sitting right next to it for it to be spiked, heck, it doesn't have to be a drink, it can also be food

Leonardo's & Okuma
I removed these sections as they have now (most unfortunately) closed down. :( Two of my fave places in Wollongong, gone.

Monsoon has closed. Chef's Choice remains open (and serving cheap, delicious fare!) opposite the Hotel Illawarra on Market St.

A1 or 1, Canberra airport detail/pertinent to Woolongong
Hi Inas I think the Canberra airport and get to /from content is valid and useful information for the traveller. Canberra is an attraction in itself and it is quiet reasonable to consider that a traveller may head in that direction to Get out or come from that direction to Get in. Not everyone wants or needs to go to Sydney and indeed they may have already been there or are on their way there from a Canberra airport arrival. It is not all that far away (about 180 min as opposed to about 80 min and is at the other end of a scenic drive of potential interest to a traveller. Canberra has plenty of attractions and the airport there is full service with many domestic destinations. It is the nations 8th busiest airport. The only thing it is lacking is scheduled international flights but it does connect to them in Townsville Gold Coast Hobart, Perth, Adelaide, Brisbane, Melbourne (MEL) and Melbourne-Avalon (AVV) and serves regional destinations including Albury and Newcastle. It was clear in the text that Sydney was the obvious choice put forward for an airport gateway, but Canberra is also a relatively nearby destination and does offer an alt (domestic) airport for Woolongong. You may be aware that sometimes sydney flights are diverted to Canberra if something goes wrong at SKS (SYD). It is either a divert to Canberra, to Richmond air base, or Williamstown. Canberra is the obvious and normal choice as it has proper terminals and facilities and also being a (decommissioned) RAAF and current AU gov VIP base it has a decent runway and other airfield facilities. A dedicated international processing facility is currently being completed as part of Canberra Airport’s new terminal building and extension program. The Australian Government has an ongoing focus on attracting international services to regional Australian Airports via an unrestricted access regime to foreign carriers, Canberra Airport expects to receive direct international services by 2011/12. Direct international services would also be expected to stimulate the existing market via reduced fare levels and reduced travelling time to overseas destinations. Direct international passenger flights are expected to include flights to New Zealand and to a major Asian hub (e.g.: Singapore, Hong Kong). Flights to New Zealand are expected to initially operate three to five times per week with narrow-body aircraft (Boeing 737/Airbus A320/Embraer 190) by 2011/12 and are expected to grow to daily over time. Services on the Canberra-Auckland route would allow for “one-stop” international flights to Los Angeles, San Francisco and other North and South American cities via Auckland. Such services are likely to be operated by the Qantas Group, Air New Zealand or the Virgin Group. Until a few years ago Nadi was serviced from Canberra. New low-cost long-haul international airlines such as Air Asia X may also be attracted to Canberra as an alternative to Sydney Airport. Further opportunities to Asia may also exist via a narrow body aircraft (such as Airbus A320) service to Asia via a hub in Darwin or Broome, DPS, KUL (LCCT) or LIA in Lombok are possibilities. In the medium term, further routes to Asian and Middle-Eastern hubs, such as Bangkok and Dubai, are likely, as well as to leisure destinations such as Fiji, Bali or Lombok. With Sydney Airport’s curfew, Canberra Airport is the only 24-hour Boeing 747 and Airbus A380 capable airport between Melbourne and Brisbane. A lot of the above comes from the 2009 Canberra airport plan, the one behind the current terminal re-development. So Inas, maybe need to stop being so Sydney centric and not assume that everyone in or passing through Woolongong looks only to Sydney for air services. Please do follow WT protocols and discuss a content revert such as that recently made to the Woollongong article. I did not just throw a bunch of ill-considered nonsense into the article. Indeed it was a reasonable content addition from a regular contributor and fully supported by current australian aviation planning, national route development plans, infrastructure investment and development. I might also add that if for some reason SYD [KFS] was closed due to accident, emergency or weather then Canberra is where a great number of the flights then go to. cheers (WT-en) felix 06:47, 25 January 2011 (EST)
 * I'm sorry, but I really think Canberra is an unhelpful airport to list for a traveller wanting to get to Wollongong.
 * * Canberra really is much futher away to drive.
 * * Canberra airport services a small subset of destinations that Sydney does.
 * * Canberra flights are far less frequent.
 * * Canberra flights are more expensive.
 * * There is no effective public transport to Canberra airport from Wollongong, while there are shuttles, trains and buses from Sydney.
 * * Canberra airport has no international destinations.
 * * The direct drive between Canberra and Wollongong is on a very boring freeway, with rest breaks advised. Be prepared to add several hours to the trip to take any sort of scenic route.
 * If Canberra actually became a cheap airport hub, or accepted international flights, then sure, we have a few things to consider. Maybe people would travel from Wollongong or Sydney for a cheap Air Asia X flight to KL.  Maybe people might fly to Auckland.  Who knows, but currently these services are just planning (dreams?) by Canberra airport management, and there is no concrete signs of anything happening yet.  Even international diversions if Sydney is closed tend to go to BNE or MEL.   I've been reading about Canberra being a international hub, second airport for Sydney, etc, for 20 years. I'll believe it if it happens.
 * But currently, we'd be doing travellers a disservice to suggest Canberra airport is a reasonable way if they just want to to get in to Wollongong. Who would drive futher, to pay more, and get less?
 * I agree that Get out is the appropriate section for scenic drives, and I'd more than happy to see Canberra there.
 * And as for reversions - sorry - I didn't revert per-se, I was just editing the article following on from the road discussions, and I didn't realise that it was a recent addition, I just fixed it. My sincerity can be judged by the fact that I touched just about every other section in the article as well.  --(WT-en) inas 07:55, 25 January 2011 (EST)

 * OK no problem and your sincerity was never in question. Indeed I have noticed that you have been doing a lot of work on that article. I still think we should mention Canberra airport to clarify to people that it is an option at the end of a 2.5-3 hr drive. I dio not think it should be given a great feal of prominence though. I do agree entirely on your distance, pricing comments,(probably as much to do with it being a paid by somebody else ticket town. Also I am aware of the ongoing ruminations re a 2nd Sydney airport. However this Canberra initiative is actually policy rather than plans. Indeed the new terminal is being finished off with the planned  international facilities. An existing termainal is to be demolished and another built in it's place. They seem to be throwing money at it. Then again maybe the politicians just want a nicer airport facility for their own uses so they dreamed up somewhere a Dreamliner could land. Maybe the person behind the route signs has had a hand in it.

 * "This is a significant milestone in the Canberra Airport AirVolution due for final completion in 2012. These developments have changed the location of a number of facilities and the way you access them. To assist in your journey a series of maps have been developed and are linked below."

 * "The existing terminal building will be demolished in stages to make room for the new bigger and better facility. The project will be built in two stages; the first, now complete is the Southern Concourse Terminal Extension and the second stage known as the Western Concourse Terminal Extension is due for completion in 2012. "

 * "Features of the new terminal include:
 * A fully capable international terminal with dedicated customs, immigration and quarantine facilities''.
 * But as you mention above "no international destinations" cheers (WT-en) felix 10:07, 25 January 2011 (EST)
 * But if you take the fast route it discounts the scenic drive, reason for mentioning it, and I'm not sure what other reasons there could be. Picton Rd (the route to the freeway) is single lane and busy, with delays (and unfortunately deaths) too common.
 * I wish Canberra the very best of luck with providing some competition for centres closer to it, including Canberra itself.  Maybe in 2012 when the next terminal opens it will, and we will have to revisit a few articles.
 * If we list we will have to preface with the notes that that it is much futher, more expensive (higher airfare + $100 of fuel), there are significantly less flights, and you have to hire a car. People are going to wonder why we listed it.  --(WT-en) inas 15:24, 25 January 2011 (EST)

Budderoo NP / Minnamurra Rainforest
Seems more like a place to "go next" than something to see within Wollongong. Whilst Visit Wollongong does overly promote the rainforest, Budderoo National Park is a 38.7 km drive from Wollongong CBD. It's not a long drive, but practically not useful for travellers who don't drive and/or don't have a car with them. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:03, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Given that it has its own article and is about as far as Kiama, I think it would be reasonable to list it in "Go next" instead of "See". —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:02, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Done. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:18, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Wolof phrasebook

A quick note
Why, in a Wolof phrasebook, are there so many French phrases? I understand this is primarily used in Senegal where French is fairly prevalent; however, I think that this should be culled down to more accurately reflect Wolof phrases. There's an extensive French phrasebook on this site if one wants to brush up on French phrases.

A partial answer
The closer you get to Dakar, the more mixed is the Wolof and French. Pure Wolof is spoken nearer to the traditional centers of the language such as St. Louis.

Consonants and diphthongs??
Not sure if this is real text, or just the person saying that they don't know. I'm inclined to delete, but I know nothing of the language so not sure. This was entered in 2008, and they just said "sorry" for pronunciation guide and vowels. (WT-en) Bill in STL 20:49, 14 August 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Wolverhampton

Really great start! I love to see people doing nice guides to small towns, I think they're really helpful... (WT-en) Majnoona 10:29, 26 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Amen. --(WT-en) Evan 13:14, 26 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Adding Banner if no-one objects

 * Please do. Appreciated. --Traveler100 (talk) 20:33, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Women traveling in India

Hmmm, I'm not convinced this doesn't belong on the India page under "Respect" -- I'd even like the bus and train info under "Get around." Folks shouldn't need to hunt around for this sort of information. Thoughts? (WT-en) Majnoona 10:57, 8 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * My vote is to consolidate. Fewer pages to download, archive, or print is a good thing. -- (WT-en) Mark 10:59, 8 Mar 2004 (EST)
 * I vote to consolidate. --(WT-en) Caffeine 11:04, 8 Mar 2004 (EST)
 * Same here. (WT-en) DhDh 11:52, 8 Mar 2004 (EST)

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Talk:Wonju

reference link
Please see Project:External links for more information on why we don't link to external travel guides. Thanks! (WT-en) Majnoona 20:31, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * Wonju city travel information

 * Reverted -- it's not an external travel guide, it's the official government site for Wonju (hence the .go.kr). (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:38, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Wonosobo

Comments
Would somebody give me a hand to improve the article? greatly appreciated. (WT-en) Andri.wardhana 05:19, 19 April 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Woodstock (Connecticut)

excuse my french but someone has majorly destroyed this page take a look if you dont believe me. --72.73.92.237 23:20, 11 November 2008 (EST)

 * Looked through the history and it was never there - created the missing sections now, thanks for the heads up (WT-en) Sertmann 23:57, 11 November 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Woodstock (New Brunswick)

Can I remove the "outline" status now? I know it needs further fleshing out, but I think it's a good start for people who find themselves in this little Christian town. I promise to keep adding to it, but not as obsessively as I have been for the past few days. (WT-en) Greencolander 21:06, 23 May 2006 (EDT)

Sleep section
The sleep section has alot of listings, but it needs to be formatted into the correct wikivoyage style, ie Budget, mid range splurge. Also a few words about what each place is like so a tourist could make an informed decision on where to stay would be a bonus! (WT-en) Tsandell 06:48, 16 June 2006 (EDT)

Cleanup?
I've cleaned this up a bit, but there's still way too much promotional language by which every river is 'picturesque' and every food item for sale is 'delicious' with far too many exclamation marks: "...and much more!" adds nothing of value. Lose the fluff, keep this factual. There are also a few points where this says "see the town website" or see some other group's site - which is useless if a printed copy of this page is being carried around in a backpack. The info needs to be here if it's worth mentioning at all. This is usable but reads like it were written by a local CVB, not a traveller. K7L (talk) 05:50, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Woodworth

Are the linked towns article-worthy?
There has been much heated debate on whether every map dot should get its own article, with the general consensus being (as far as I understand it):

 * 1) If you can sleep there it gets an article
 * 2) OR if someone wants to write an article about their home town then an article is probably OK.

In the case of the two Woodworth's that are linked to from the disambiguation page, one has a population of 80, and the other is a part of a larger metropolitan region in Louisiana, so I'm not sure that they actually meet the article criteria... -- (WT-en) Ryan 21:56, 24 December 2006 (EST)

 * Many times I've deliberately left place names unlinked when creating disambiguation pages, but often someone comes along and links them a few minutes later. Example:  'disagree' - "the other places in a disambiguation page are always linked"

 * I've also tried "commenting-out" doubtful place names when creating disambiguation pages, but often someone comes along and un-comments them a few minutes later. Example: yesterday

 * FWIW I linked to Woodworth (North Dakota) because it was already linked to from Stutsman County since May 2005; and because that was the smaller of the two places, there wasn't much point to leaving the larger place unlinked. ~ 203.144.143.2 22:47, 24 December 2006 (EST)

 * My concern is less about whether the articles on this disambiguation page should have links or not, and more about whether we should even have this disambiguation page if it's not even clear whether there are articles needing disambiguating. I realize that this article was re-created due to the fact that our friend originally added it, but if we're going to keep any of his contributions I think it's important that we keep them for a reason.  In this case I'm not sure there's a reason for this article to be here. -- (WT-en) Ryan 23:34, 24 December 2006 (EST)

 * I agree with your original "not sure" (Are the linked towns article-worthy? and not sure that they actually meet the article criteria - ie for sure, it's sometimes difficult to be sure for certain if a location does or does not meet the article criteria - but nothing new there). Beyond that I don't see any problem with the existence of the disambiguation article itself, so I'm extremely unsure about your second not sure (not sure there's a reason for this article to be here); taking both your "not sure"s together, I think if either or both locations turns out not to warrant a dedicated article, this page is probably even more helpful than a disambiguation where every location is linked.

 * Maybe the best way to put this to the test is to VFD it. ~ 203.144.143.2 00:29, 25 December 2006 (EST)

 * In my opinion it doesn't do any harm to have articles like this, although its practical significance is probably limited. The tiny place in ND likely doesn't merit an article of its own, but the disambiguator is still useful as we creep gingerly toward having "Rural Area" articles.  I'm pulling the VFD, on the grounds that the discussion (below) seems to be in favor of not deleting. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:14, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Woodworth
I created this, but on Talk:Woodworth it's been suggested ...not sure there's a reason for this article to be here. ~ 203.144.143.2 00:28, 25 December 2006 (EST)

 * Delete until/unless the disambiguation page is eventually needed. This article was original created without any location information by 74.69.245.148, speedy deleted, and then re-created as a disambiguation page that links to two non-existent articles.  Of the two towns being linked to, one has a population of 80, and the other is part of a larger city, so I'm not sure that we would create articles for either one, which leaves the question of why would we have a disambiguation page when we don't (and may never) have articles?  If we're going to create an article or a redirect for every dot on the map then this disambiguation page will eventually be needed and should be kept, but if we're going to continue to use the criteria that not every map dot necessarily gets its own article then this disambiguation page is unnecessary.  Talk:Woodworth has further comments. -- (WT-en) Ryan 02:39, 25 December 2006 (EST)

 * Keep. Both places exist, one is fairly large with a population over 1,000 Woodworth_Louisiana] with their own webpage and the home of Indian Creek Recreation Area (whatever that is). The other town is smaller with 80 people Woodworth_North_Dakota and was established in 1911 and is in a state where small towns and places are the rule. Both of those places deserve an article, so at some point the disambiguation will be needed, better now then after someone creates the location without disambiguation (again). As far a creating a article or redirect for every "dot" on the map, I think we need to define what a dot is and how to handle them. Of course, my first question is "If there is a dot on the map, then why?" My guess is that someone might want to know where it is at so they can visit. I realize there are people that think if a place is not a "Megagobmetroplexamusalopalus" (that's hillbilly for a big town) then there is no reason to visit, see, do and for sure if you can't find a commercial establishment to "pay" to sleep, then there is no reason to ever visit or to think anyone else would ever go there and they should be quickly deleted. I disagree. Funny thing about it is there are people in small towns that are so misinformed to think places like New York should be deleted. Now I do agree that "we" would likely not create an article for this places (the small ones), but I do think that "someone" might and for that matter should create one. Now if someone stumbles across the dab page and creates an article for one of the places, is that bad? Should it be VFD'ed? The answer in the past has been "No"! Because if someone creates an article with "good" intent about town then is should be kept! Here is my thought.... Someone types in the search "Woodworth".... "Wow, there is the link to my town!" They think; I am welcome, they want me here, my town has a link, I love my town, let me put some information in so everyone will know about it and what is good about the place where I live. If this dab is deleted, trust me.... At some point we will have a Woodworth that is created again and every time we delete it, we will be deleting the user that created it. Gee, I do wish that would work in the case of our article creation monster 74.69.245.148. Lastly, thanks to all for putting up this small town guy and hillbilly from the Ozarks and with all my rants for small places, have a very good and happy New Year! -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 07:49, 25 December 2006 (EST)
 * Keep, at least until we get the "Rural Areas" destination type that has been discussed lately. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 15:13, 25 December 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Wooster

Looking good. Glad someone else is working on this county's cities. :>

Congress?
I added a See bullet for the village of Congress, 13 miles northwest, mainly because it was decided to make Congress (Ohio) a redirect to here. But there wasn't much to add, other than that Congress is scenic and has an "occasional Amish sighting." (But apparently no Amish businesses, and I am not sure it is polite to tell tourists to go somewhere just to look at people who look different.) And there are other towns closer to Wooster: New Pittsburg, Smithville, Riceland, Apple Creek (which does have Amish stores and restaurants, but could possibly be deleted as a WV destination, for failing WV:SLEEPTHERE). Should we add them to the See list, and/or delete Congress and the Congress (Ohio) redirect? Peter Chastain (talk) 06:27, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

 * To answer your last question: No, we should not delete the redirect because someone looking for Congress, Ohio should be directed to the nearest town, which is Wooster. I think only a small edit is in order, saying that the area around Congress is scenic and that Congress is a partly Amish town. What potential visitors do with that information is up to them, but I do agree that the phrase "Amish sighting" objectifies people in a way that we shouldn't accept. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:06, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Worcester (England)

Bars, Eating and Drinking -

Please can someone list the bars, Restaurants and places to go out. Preferably with web links. I have just added a lot of new content to getting to Worcester, Sport, Stay Safe, Learn, Buy, Contact, Cope, and external Links (WT-en) Jezarnold 18:34, 18 May 2006 (EDT)jezarnold

Intro isn't very encouraging
I get that Worcester was vandalised but I think the intro doesn't need to labour the point. Worcester has lots to offer, that isn't just an example of the excesses of town planners. JimKillock (talk) 12:58, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

 * If you'd like to edit the intro, just go ahead and do it (the stock phrase here is plunge forward). You know better than most others reading this article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:35, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Worcester (Massachusetts)

"Worcester's only radio station that can be heard outside of Worcester (AM-830)" WICN is heard outside of Worcester and there are perhaps others.

Confirm?
Can someone confirm or deny this place being closed (just stick it back in if it's open)? (WT-en) Maj 00:09, 24 January 2007 (EST)

 * Anna's Hungarian Kitchen -- probably out of business :(. 70 Southbridge St. "+1" 508-791-1400.  Unique among restaurants in the "fancy" category, Anna's offers a very specifically ethnic fare in what used to be the bar/restaurant of a 70s-era high rise hotel.  But the quality and presentation of the food is on par with Worcester's best restaurants, and the desert menu (try the walnut crepe flambe) outdoes any other in Worcester, except possibly Ti Novo.  It's a gem with an unassuming exterior--quintessentially Worcester.

Restaurant Dump
I'm putting these outside of MOS listings here to be sorted through by me or anyone else who wants to help.

Pizza
Greek style:

 * White City Pizza, 120 Boston Tpke "+1" 508-757-1022. Booths & beer on tap.

Thinner crust:

Gourmet Pizza:

Ethnic Restaurants
You could spend a lifetime going to the following restaurants in rotation:

Jamaican

 * Caribbean Delights, Chandler at Piedmont, lots of meat, patties, roti.

 * One Love, Main St at Castle, next to the Artichoke Co-op. Great roti, other nice entrees, romantic, quaint dining. Perfect for dates or a nice night out with friends. BYOB. Fresh fruit in water. Patties for lunch for $1.50.

Vietnamese

Latino

Italian

Middle Eastern

 * Amelia's Bakery, Pleasant St. (near Irving St. two blocks uphill from Main St.) Closes at 2:30PM. Best falafel in Worcester, and a cute table in the front window. Opposite Pupuseria Salvadorena.

Vegetarian / Vegan

Also see "Middle Eastern" for more delicious vegetarian meals.

Late Night
Worcester is the birthplace of the diner. The Worcester Lunch Car Company Built Diners from their factory in downtown Worcester from 1906 to 1957. Their serial numbers started at 200 and ended with 850. Many are still in existence. They are characterized by porcelain enamel exteriors with the name of the diner in the enamel. The interiors have mosaic tile floors and tile walls. So there's still lots of "third shift" places to eat, including:
 * George's, Grafton St. One of the most interesting cheap late-night eats is a pita bakery on Grafton Street. It opens each night around 3AM to start making pita, and you can buy fresh pitas that look like footballs. The pita bakery is about 5 storefronts up the hill from their daytime, public-facing deli.Godsendlemiwinks (talk) 02:39, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Working abroad

Initial discussion
Thought I would start here before creating this article. Anyone else think an article about working abroad would be useful?

I'd like to get some ideas before starting. I view this as covering jobs abroad something like Mark did?

I figure it could cover the follow:
 * Cost of living
 * Jobs typically available overseas
 * Tips for finding an apartment
 * Visas
 * How to have documents authenticated by a foreign embassy (I'm currently undergoing this process)
 * Expat life

Anyone want to throw their two cents in? - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 02:39, 27 May 2006 (EDT)

 * I was just thinking about this yesterday.  Plunge forward and I'll try to pitch in. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:39, 27 May 2006 (EDT)
 * That's when I started thinking about it. I didn't want to waste my time and have this VFD'd later, because others thought it wasn't worth it, but I like your judgement so I'll plunge forward. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 02:43, 27 May 2006 (EDT)

Preventing this from becoming Eurocentric
As you're the house resident expert on Asia. What would you recommend about "Get in and around". I don't want to get into the trap of making this a Eurocentric article. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 04:22, 27 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Japtokal,

 * Planes fly to Asia too, I don't think there's anything particularly Eurocentric about that... (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:31, 27 May 2006 (EDT)
 * I meant something more along the lines of locations which are better to start off in, For example: Fly to Bangkok and then taking a train to Pattaya? Is train travel easier there than car travel, or are busses the way to go in Asia?
 * My expertise in the transportation department solely lies on American and European trains and planes. I can score huge discounts by knowing which airports to go to in the EU during a specific time of the year, but if I was going to Asia I'd be screwed. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 04:42, 27 May 2006 (EDT)

 * Nitty-gritty like this isn't a question of Working abroad though, it's just cheap travel — and I was writing something about this just yesterday at Tips for flying. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:33, 27 May 2006 (EDT)

Links
We currently have "A local resource for finding jobs in Germany is JobScout24 or Jobs de. In France you will find jobs on CadrEmploi and in Spain on infoempleo.", where all the names are linked. I'd say that, as in the Teaching English article, we should refer people to the Work section of country articles for local details, and these links should be moved to those sections. (WT-en) Pashley 11:20, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

 * Yes. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:53, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

 * Done. (WT-en) Pashley 23:25, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

Getting to Guide
This article is currently rated Outline but I am about to upgrade it to Usable. What would it take to get it to Guide? It might then be a good candidate for featuring on the main page.

I think the main "Jobs available" section is pretty much complete but the other main sections, "Prepare" and "Expat life", need attention. Pashley (talk) 13:43, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Healthcare in North Korea
Is healthcare in North Korea really "almost non-existent"? I know nothing about it, but generally communist countries have invested lots in education and healthcare. Is North Korea an exception? --LPfi (talk) 07:45, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

 * In any case I think it is better to use a politically more neutral example, if there are suitable ones. I suppose there are several developing countries were public healthcare is rudimentary, foreigners are too few to have their own facilities and evacuation is the best option. Or is North Korea the most probable destination for working abroad among such countries? --LPfi (talk) 07:50, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

 * My experience — China & the Philippines in this century, several other Asian countries in the last — is that reasonably good health care is widely available, but some is priced out of the reach of many locals & perhaps of budget travellers. I've had various things handled competently; my most serious was gall bladder removal but a friend had a collapsed lung fixed. That said, when I needed major surgery I went home.

 * I do not think N Korea is at all a good example. Living in China, I met many people who had worked in S Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan, even a few for Russia, Kazakhstan, Georgia (country), etc. None for N Korea. Pashley (talk) 18:04, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

 * I agree that North Korea isn't an ideal example. I've read that its healthcare system is better funded than other countries with similar GDPs, maybe for the reason User:LPfi gave. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:22, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Page banner
The current page banner is nondescript, and of poor photographic quality. I suggest a new one. /Yvwv (talk) 00:40, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Subsidized digital nomad work?
Vermont governor signs bill to pay people $10K to move to state and work remotely. Are there other such deals? I know at one time Canada made immigration easier for people willing to work up North, Hawaii had deals for teachers, many cities or regions offer tax breaks to attract industry, ... Pashley (talk) 13:42, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Vegetarian company?
This story claims WeWork, who we mention at Working_abroad, are enforcing vegetarian standards on employees, no meat at company events & no expense reimbursement for meals containing meat. I'm tempted to remove them from the article; I do not want to support a company that mistreats employees. What do others think? Pashley (talk) 03:22, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

 * Tempted to support. Imposing your beliefs on employees though removal of financial support in doing your job is a bit much. --Traveler100 (talk) 05:57, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

 * I am not sure. I suppose there are many companies that do not offer (good) vegetarian alternatives at in-house meals and events, so boycotting this might be double standards. I also do not agree offering only vegetarian food is mistreating employees (I have no reason to believe the vegetarian food is sub-standard). Restricting reimbursements does seem patronising, but who am I to judge. Their stand (if true) is of course worth mentioning. --LPfi (talk) 08:48, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

 * I don't see any reason to remove it. It's not for us to enforce our own views on dietary restrictions – we can just give the listing and let travellers decide if that setup is acceptable to them. As a comparison, I would imagine there are probably lots of companies and schools in India that don't provide meat, organizations in the Middle East that refuse to reimburse for pork or alcohol, and so on. I certainly wouldn't want to remove listings from articles on that basis. It might be worth mentioning these restrictions in the article, though, if true. —Granger (talk · contribs) 09:26, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Maritime crew
The article says that arriving by air on a "maritime crew" visa invites legal trouble. Is that so? I've understood crew routinely is flown between their home and the ship (in whatever port), on routes long enough that they are entitled to vacations. Also, if the job is in regional shipping, somebody from outside that region would usually arrive by air in the first place, why restrict transport options to ships? I suppose there are real problematic scenarios, but is it common that maritime crew visas require arriving by sea? --LPfi (talk) 15:50, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

 * At least the other way around it seems to be problematic. When flying to Sydney I talked to an English lady who flew there to work on a cruise ship going around the South Pacific as a hairdresser. She was very worried she wouldn't be allowed into Australia without a work visa (the tourist visa explicitly prohibits any kind of work), despite the fact that she was going to work onboard, not in the country. --ϒpsilon (talk) 16:40, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

 * It's problematic in Australia, per . Other countries may differ. K7L (talk) 17:18, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

 * So that visa is primarily for those already on their ship, it seems (our article says there are no ferries to Australia, and crew will hardly arrive on a cruiser). Presumably there is another visa for those boarding their ship after arriving. --LPfi (talk) 17:47, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Negative side of Working_abroad?
Freelancer Loves Being Able To Barely Scrape By Livelihood On Own Schedule Pashley (talk) 06:56, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

 * Also 3 Things No One Ever Mentions About Being A Digital Nomad Pashley (talk) 08:13, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Does the rent-everything lifestyle tie in?
NPR story: The Affluent Homeless: A Sleeping Pod, A Hired Desk And A Handful Of Clothes seems related to Working_abroad Pashley (talk) 13:40, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

WeWork having problems?
We mention this company under Working_abroad. A CBS story: WeWork IPO filing shows it's losing nearly $5,200 per customer. Pashley (talk) 22:50, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Remote worker visas
Barbados could soon allow remote workers to stay and work on the island for one year. Pashley (talk) 00:49, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

The tropical paradise of Mauritius is offering a long-term visa for remote workers Pashley (talk) 10:08, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

 * I do not think this involves a visa. Hawaii’s new remote work program will pay for your round-trip flight Pashley (talk) 03:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

 * The 15 best digital nomad visas from around the world Pashley (talk) 03:24, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Thousands apply to be a Finn for 90 days in migration scheme Pashley (talk) 05:35, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

47 Countries With Digital Nomad Visas Pashley (talk) 08:19, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

NYT on digital nomads vs, COVID
The Digital Nomads Did Not Prepare for This Pashley (talk) 01:36, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Banner
The current banner is a somewhat dreary depiction of commuting. What about this other banner of commuting instead (formerly at Ho Chi Minh City). —Granger (talk · contribs) 07:46, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

 * I prefer the current banner, only because the latter banner doesn't really give me that much of a feel of working abroad compared to the old one. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:51, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Not accepting employer's transport
The advice to refuse transport by the employer is awkward. If I am going to a foreign country to work, I would certainly appreciate somebody meeting me at the airport (or whatever), informing me on practical details up front and getting me to my accommodation. Using their own car feels natural. Is this uncommon for real employments? Wouldn't I look odd if I insist on us taking a taxi instead, and one that I choose without knowing local practices? Is this step a serious risk if I otherwise have made my homework? If they are criminals, can't they just as easily force me into a car on the back yard of the workplace? –LPfi (talk) 08:33, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

 * To me (after working abroad for decades) the whole Working_abroad section looks like mostly paranoid overstatement. I'd cut it to about three sentences. Who is this advice meant for?
 * Refusing their transport seems like dumb advice; if they're crooked it won't save you & if not it is a silly thing to do. Pashley (talk) 10:08, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

 * There was a recent case of Taiwanese people being tricked into call centre scams run by criminal gangs in Cambodia. I think this advice is mainly aimed at them. I don't know the details, but my understanding is that these people are offered a legitimate job in Cambodia, but upon arrival in Cambodia are instead coerced into scamming people as part of these bogus call centres. And it was especially an issue for Taiwan because Cambodia diplomatically recognises China and hence does not have a Taiwanese diplomatic mission, and while China offered consular assistance to the Taiwanese victims (since China claims sovereignty over Taiwan and hence, considers Taiwanese citizens to be Chinese citizens), the Taiwanese government's stance is that Taiwan is a sovereign country and the Chinese embassy has no right to provide consular assistance to Taiwanese citizens. The dog2 (talk) 20:36, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think the advice to refuse your employer's transportation seems absurd, at least when stated in such broad terms. I've worked abroad on four continents and the employer has always arranged transportation from the airport for me when I arrived. The idea of refusing would not have crossed my mind, and it's not advice I'll follow in the future. If there's some more specific and useful advice that's applicable to the situation in Cambodia, we can give that instead. —Granger (talk · contribs) 10:52, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe there are similar scams about job offers in EU, where the to be employed people (mostly from South-East Asia and Eastern Europe, I think) end up as sex slaves. I don't know how the recruitment, transport and keeping them enslaved are organised. –LPfi (talk) 12:45, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Bring cash?
We now say
 * "Bring a solid chunk of cash – several months' salary is wise".

Is this still good advice? If moving from one EU country to another, you have no trouble paying bills and getting money from your bank account as needed. If you cannot pay bills from your account (or that'd involve huge banking fees), then cash may be good for many expenses, but your landlord and local insurance company may not want cash, and neither may some other businesses. Raising limits on your credit card may be as important as bringing cash.

–LPfi (talk) 07:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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Wikivoyage talk:Past events/World Cup 2006

Umf. This article is probably necessary, but I don't really know what it should look like, esp. since unlike some previous events (Burning Man, Expo 2005) it's not in a single geographical location. Linking "See Berlin/Munchen/Bratwurststein" for every section hardly seems sensible. (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:23, 19 Dec 2005 (EST)
 * As it is an intersection of time/activity and geography, I guess it should use the Itinerary article template instead of a geographic unit template. (WT-en) Rmx 21:37, 19 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * I started this article in a distant time but as the seasons and eras passed me by I became distracted and have forgotten to tend to this article. I was using FIFA's website to find dates, stadium names, ticket info, and all the other neccessary information.

Please help me if you feel the calling. (WT-en) Sapphire 04:04, 16 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * I had a bit of a muck around. Now it's just fingers crossed for some tickets in the draw. :) (WT-en) Brendio 21:12, 16 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Im up for helping! Ive already started by putting all the venues into the sleep section... although it has just occured to me that it might be a better to have a section with the venues listed and then with links to each city in it than to have eat sleep drink etc and then links in each of those to each city.

 * I think that possibly sometime in the future it might be worth going through each of the cities as collaboration-of-the-weeks in order to get them all up to a reasonable standard for when the World Cup is gonna take place, actually it might be worth while doing them as a batch lot for a couple of weeks.... What do you all think?? (WT-en) Tim 14:48, Feb 28 06

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Anyone have any recommendations on how to start of the Itinerary? (WT-en) Sapphire 16:59, 23 April 2006 (EDT)

World Cup 2006
Swept in from Travellers Pub The World Cup is happening in June! Some of the pages for the venues already look great and have loads of info, Berlin for example, but some of the smaller venues Kaiserslautern, Hanover to name but a few are looking very bare!

I didn't know whether the whole World Cup could count as a collaboration of the week, but it might be worthwhile grouping a couple of venues together and having a double collaboration of the week or something like that so that they are looking good soon. The tickets are in the process of being handed out to customers after the draw, so people will very soon be looking at places to stay during their trips to Germany, and we will have missed the boat if we dont get it sorted out in the very near future.

What do people think??? (WT-en) Tsandell 15:05 Feb 28 2006


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Wikivoyage talk:Past events/World Cup 2010

I love topics like this one! Nice start. (WT-en) Majnoona 14:32, 10 July 2006 (EDT)

World cup 2007
The Britons might have forgotten the game, but the next World cup is in 2007 and will be held in the Caribbean. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 15:38, 10 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Hahaha, love it! (WT-en) Tsandell 10:28, 11 July 2006 (EDT)

Cape Town Bias?
It's quite obvious that this is largely written by a Capetonian. 107 is not an official emergency number in South Africa, but rather directs to Cape Town Metro Emergency when dialled through a CT exchange (and over landlines only). Also, I could easily debate whether Durban is more popular with the Gauteng crowd during winter school holidays, and if it isn't in fact Cape Town who attracts local tourists to a "lesser extend (sic)".

 * Actually I am from Gauteng, if you don't agree, feel free to contribute changes. --(WT-en) Nick 08:49, 6 February 2008 (EST)