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Talk:Churchill

I noticed that one company is listed for tours. I tried to add others and they were deleted. Obviously some people have been paid by these companies to delete other peoples listings, which is unfortunate. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) RangerTodd (talk • contribs)

 * Please read your talk page. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:58, 28 December 2010 (EST)

Comments

 * 1) This needs attention: As cute as the belugas are, the flies are as demonic a plague, so bring long pants...
 * 2) The "big" text in "Prepare" is a bit overwhelming.
 * 3) What is an inukshuk for?
 * 4) Do they rent weight belts for scuba or must you take your own? • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 07:07, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure why you underlined "the flies are as demonic a plague," as it seems fine to my eye. But I reworded it slightly —does that seem more clear to you? There is no equipment rental for scuba, so I have to assume that would include weight belts. If you think that isn't obvious from the current text or could be conveyed more clearly, please go ahead and make the change, as this is not an activity I know much about. I have made the other suggested changes. --Peter Talk 16:46, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

It seems like the part about the Tundra inn having a weird smell is unnecessary. I have been there and have not observed anything of that nature. Is it possible to have that segment removed. The aurora domes are no longer connected to the Tundra Inn owners either so I would recommend removing that for accuracy.

Under Boating should Churchill Custom Tours be aded alongside Sea north. people can book beluga whale viewing, Price Wales Fort Tours and Sunset boat cruises with Churchill Custom Tours so seems like they would be a good fit to have listed. —The preceding comment was added by 184.67.169.122 (talk • contribs)

 * Plunge forward and edit or update anything suitably. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:27, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Other activities?
Two major reasons some people go North are hunting and fishing, & the article currently mentions neither. It does have some text about wildlife spotting that actually uses the phrase "hunt down" various animals, and I think that needs rewording since it probably refers to using binoculars or a camera rather than a rifle but it could be misread.

But should something about hunting and fishing be added? Perhaps only a comment that those are not usually done from Churchill and some links to areas that are more suitable? Pashley (talk) 04:49, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

 * I did the minor rewording.
 * Are the bears, belugas, etc. protected species? I know the Inuit hunt caribou and seal, not sure about larger species. What about visitors? Pashley (talk) 04:58, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

 * The Inuit rarely hunt visitors, but they also don't live all that close to Churchill (they're farther north), so tourists are probably safe ;) --Peter Talk 05:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

 * OK, OK, Churchill is neither a fishing nor hunting destination. I can't find anything on the web suggesting such activities anywhere closer than 140 miles away, and there are no businesses listed in the town that offer these activities. We could mention the potential to hunt polar bears, which is done in Nunavut for space tourism-high prices. The Canadian government allows First Nations that have traditionally hunted polar bears (and other protected/endangered species) to hunt a certain quota, but in practice the allotments are all auctioned off to wealthy foreigners (supervillains?). If you think that's worth mentioning, I could put it in Get out, but discussing the individual "tour" companies that you can contact to do this would be out per Don't tout, since they are not connected to Churchill. --Peter Talk 05:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

 * I do not think mentioning pricey bear hunting is worthwhile here. It does seem worth pointing out that, unlike some northern areas, Churchill is not a fishing or hunting base. Pashley (talk) 05:17, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Strange weather sign
weather rock Is that real? If so, should we add it to the article? No photo I can find on Commons, plenty around the web but I have not checked licensing. Pashley (talk) 19:39, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

 * That's definitely real, and I have pics of it. But the article as it is, I think, cannot hold any more photos, and there isn't one I'd be happy replacing with the rock. Maybe it should get a see entry, though ;) --Peter Talk 23:26, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Greatly exaggerated fares for train
Just wanted to point out that the fare examples for the train service are high above the normal price. A return-journey in January booked though VIA-rails webpage gives CAD$ 260 for economy class and about CAD$ 550 for a bed in a cabin for two. I'm guessing there's an fare increase during the summer months but still, we should adjust the price downwards a bit. --Jonte-- (talk) 15:03, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Tried the same enquiry, telling viarail.ca that I'm leaving Winterpeg on St. Jean Baptiste day, returning two days after Dominion Day. $352+tax return for one adult, economy. If you're going to change the article, please list the high-season rate instead of just something that isn't available for much of the year. K7L (talk) 17:27, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Article
Lonely Planet on Churchill bears. Pashley (talk) 19:28, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Accuracy of sunshine hours
What was the source of the climate data in the understand section? It seems way off and a quick google search produces different numbers: http://www.churchill.climatemps.com/sunlight.php --Labraun90 (talk) 13:39, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Train line still broken
A year on, Churchill still waits for repair of rail line as confusion continues over who will fix it Pashley (talk) 10:14, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Deal reached between Manitoba groups, Omnitrax for ownership of Churchill rail line: Agreement in principle still needs legal issues sorted before repairs to tracks damaged by flooding last year K7L (talk) 01:03, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Service resumes on Dec 2. Ground Zero (talk) 22:52, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Tundra Buggy
Is it a trademarked name like Jeep and Land Rover or a generic noun like snowmobile? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:54, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

 * It looks to be a name owned by one specific local company in Churchill. The Tundra Buggy fleet "is now custom built and manufactured by Frontiers North Adventures in Churchill, Manitoba", according to a WP article flagged as "This article contains content that is written like an advertisement". That makes it less generic than "Jeep", which is FiatChrysler this week but exists in many cities. K7L (talk) 23:39, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Thanks. So caps are correct. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:40, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Tundra Buggy® is a registered trademark. 184.67.169.122 19:51, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

 * Electric tundra buggy makes Canadian eco-tourism that much greener Pashley (talk) 01:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

The train
Wikipedia claims the following: "

In 2018, the Port of Churchill, the rail line, and the Churchill Marine Tank Farm were purchased by Arctic Gateway Group, a private-public partnership that includes Missinippi Rail, Fairfax Financial Holdings and AGT Food and Ingredients.[30] The group engaged Cando Rail Services and Paradox Access Solutions[31] to repair the flood damage.[32] On November 1, 2018, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau joined Churchill residents to celebrate the return of rail service.[33][34][35] Freight shipments resumed in late November[36] and passenger service in early December 2018.[37] "

Should we update accordingly? Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:15, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * What needs updating? Ground Zero (talk) 00:24, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Radar
Canadian Arctic town plans radar system for spotting hungry polar bears Pashley (talk) 01:25, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Bear hunting
There's a petition to ban hunting of polar bears. According to text there, Canada is the only country that allows it. Pashley (talk) 03:44, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Cincinnati

Districts
Should Cincinati follow the huge city article template? - (WT-en) Huttite 18:51, 7 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * Possibly. There are many different neighborhoods, but I'm not sure that it really matters. I've heard of most of the neighborhoods, but I don't know how to describe most of them, because I usually stick to downtown, East Walnut Hills, Obriensville, and Hyde Park.

I can help- let me know what I can do. RJH

Many of the neighborhoods have their own characteristics... so maybe group them all (all 52), or maybe by region: i.e., East (Mt. Lookout, Mt. Washington, Hyde Park, Oakley, O'Bryonville, Linwood, East End, East Walnut Hills), West (Western Hills, Covedale, Westwood, Price Hill, Fairmount, etc.), Central (Clifton Heights/Univ Heights/ Fairview, Mt. Auburn, Walnut Hills, Clifton, Mt. Adams, CBD, OTR,etc.)?
 * Would this really be helpful for the traveller? I'm hesitant about breaking Cincinnati down into districts, but I have to admit that the idea of a East/West district is somewhat interesting.  Cincinnati is a fairly compact large city and I'm unconvinced of how useful districts would be.  If we start providing excellent directions like the Windsor CVB did for Windsor (Ontario) there would probably be very little need for districts.  -- (WT-en) Sapphire 01:42, 14 September 2006 (EDT)

I just now realized this was here, so this is good. I am interested in the East/West division for the district catagory. Maybe that would show how Cincinnatians REALLY live. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Lanskieth17 (talk • contribs) 02:17, 27 June 2007

 * How do Cincinnatians live is irrelevant to a travel guide and the whole east/west thing doesn't describe anything about Cincinnati at all. Do people on the west side stick to the west side only?  Not really, but if they did it'd be because of the easiness of staying around your own neighborhood for entertainment, food, and whatever else.  Dividing Cincinnati up into useless district articles won't help the traveler. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 02:30, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Since this is coming up again, I am curious—what is the distinction between West and East Cincinnati? Is it a purely geographical, convenient breakdown? Or is it a cultural division that deserves a note in the understand section? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:03, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

 * I think what Sapphire said is true-- but to answer your question the West and East have been historically/socially divided generally between the 75 highway (there are some exceptions though). Historically, those from the West side have been typically blue collar workers and the East side was composed of white collar workers. That doesnt mean there arent white collar workers on the West Side, because there are many. People show their West Side pride with the annual "West Fest" while people show their East Side pride by... going to Kenwood Mall. Lanskeith 17 13:19 27 June 2007

 * I think this article is a perfect size for its subject, and districting would spoil it. But I do think the West/East divide is worth mentioning somewhere in the article (not in the introduction), and West Fest should be in the Do section. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 17:13, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

 * "How do Cincinnatians live is irrelevant to a travel guide..." Um, as a Chicagoan looking to travel to Cincinnati soon, learning how other people live their lives is the fundamental reason I travel.  So, yes, I would like to know very much how Cincinnatians live and how geography shapes their urban experience.  David, Chicago, 23 Jan 2011

The Center for Holocaust and Humanity Education

 * The entry states : ... which follows the stories of Cincinnatians involved in the resistance to Nazis and Holocaust survivors in Cincinnati. ...
 * Questions :
 * Where is Cincinnatti now and where was it during the second world war - Germany? - Has the city moved recently? - No
 * Did the Nazis have a concentration camp in Cincinnatti? - No

 * I think it should read something like : ... which follows the stories of Cincinnatians involved in the resistance to Nazis and Holocaust survivors now living in Cincinnati. ... -- (WT-en) Huttite 19:12, 25 Mar 2005 (EST)

 * What I meant was some of the people that the exhibit is about are Europeans, but there are also many subjects that were Cincinnatians that joined the Army-Air force, and intelliegence agents like Former US Ambassador to Luxembourg John E. Dolibois. Ambassador Dolibois interviewed Nazi officials on the false pretense that he was with the Red Cross and was there to see to it that he was not abused by the Americans. He was an American soldier and helped gather evidence against Nazis that was used in the Nuremburg trials. I think the way it was originally written works, because if you're a Cincinnatian you're currently living in Cincinnati. I think its kind of obvious, but it's not a life or death issue. - (WT-en) Sapphire

 * The way I interpreted the sentence, and it is ambiguous, it sounded like the Holocaust, and the Nazis, were in Cincinnati. Also I do not see a Cincinnatian as being someone living in Cincinnati but someone who has a cultural connection either by birth or lifestyle with Cincinnati. Just because you are alive and at one moment in time alive in Cincinnati does not make you a Cincinnatian, you need to have that birth, residential or cultural connection also. -- (WT-en) Huttite 01:35, 16 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * That's true, and I would see it in the same way. I guess I just saw these people who have lived in Cincinnati for the past 10+ years as Cincinnatians and I would look upon a person from Flordia as a Floridian, until its established that that person is making Cincinnati home. As for the historic aspect I didn't mean to imply Cincinnati was in Europe or under control of the Nazi regime. :) (WT-en) Sapphire 18:15, 16 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Picture
Would anyone be able to add a picture of Cincinnati? I don't have a scanner and can't help out in this department. Thanks. - (WT-en) Sapphire

Cincinnatus
How about a mention of [|Cincinnatus]?

 * A common misconception is that Cincinnati was named after Cincinnatus. The city was instead named after an American Revolution era organization that took its name from Cincinnatus. That's why there is no mention of the Roman ruler, but instead of the Society that bears his name. (WT-en) Sapphire 01:34, 9 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Still that shold be noted, and wouldn't that mean cincinnati was named after him, albeit indirectly?

Too much information?
It seems like some of the information in this article is tending toward encyclopedia rather than travel guide. For example, I can kinda see the point of listing the colleges/universities, since since they may offer classes to the general public, but what about the high schools? Likewise, with the TV station list: even assuming it's useful to know what network is on which channel and your hotel neglects to include a list on the TV, does it matter to a traveler what their call letters are, or where the station's office is? Or where the newspapers' offices are? - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 23:29, 14 May 2006 (EDT)
 * I'm glad someone else feels that way. Consider it gone. (WT-en) Sapphire 23:34, 14 May 2006 (EDT)

New listings
I've converted every damn listing to the new coded listings, so that's why some things may turn out a little funky. Why have I done this? Some call it wikicrack. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 04:20, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

Reverted edits
I reverted several edits removing a few listings that are not in Cincinnati particularly the listing of religious services because some services such as the Greek Orthodox and Islamic Mosques are hard to come by in Cincinnati. I think there may be one mosque in Cincinnati, but I'm not positive. I feel the information should be in the Cincinnati guide, because if a Muslim traveler comes to Cincinnati he/she may very well want to go to a mosque and the most well-known mosque is in West Chester and we direct him/her to the correct city.

I also reverted a deleted reference to Newport, Kentucky since Newport is very easily accessable from Cincinnati (Purple People Bridge). Simply because something isn't in Cincinnati doesn't necessarily mean a listing or information should be removed, particularlly if it would be helpful to other travelers. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 17:05, 12 November 2006 (EST)

What is the geographical limitation for places included in the travel guide?
Should the article be limited Cincinnati Metro or just Cincinnati proper? My suggestion for a limitation should be places that are actually in the City of Cincinnati or at least very close-less than 1 mile (ie Rockwood) or a regional attraction(ie king's island) should be included.

Places such as Brown Dog Cafe which is in Blue Ash (eat section) and the bookstore listed that is located in Madiera (buy section) would be excluded.

 * The Brown Dog Cafe can be moved to Blue Ash, and most listings and information should pertain to Cincinnati proper, but since we're helping travellers we need to have information that will be useful to travellers. I.e. under the "Drink" section we have information about how Newport on the Levee is a popular nightlife spot and that should be left in the article.  -- (WT-en) Sapphire 23:35, 22 November 2006 (EST)

OTR
I know there's been some "revitalization" of OTR, but is it really enough to qualify as gentrification? Anyone? It's been a while (couple of months) since I've actually been in Over-The-Rhine, but nothing really looked different. Hmmm. I guess this gives me a reason to finally try breakfast at Tucker's. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 01:16, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

I go through OTR frequently-- if you drive down Vine or even Walnut or Sycamore it is easy/suprising to see all of the revitalization! Its beginning to look completely different with all of the Gateway Quarter renovations and new resturants. Lanskeith17 2:24, 27 June 2007

Ferries?
Cincinnati, Ohio to Constance, Kentucky. All-year, continous daily service. Weather permitting. Car=about $3.00 or less. (WT-en) 2old 13:15, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

Introduction
I was wondering how other people feel about how I re-worked the introduction... I added a little bit of just general info (like population which I feel is important/relevant), and just a simple major attraction list. Lanskeith17 2:21, 27 June 2007

 * Ah, sorry I removed your attraction list before commenting here. I removed it because the attractions you listed already have entries further down in the article (at least for the ones I checked) and because our manual of style dictates that we put that kind of information in the listings entries (also see Project:District article template for more guidelines on where to stick information within a district article).

 * I also just wanted to mention that all your attention to the Cincinnati article is very much appreciated. If folks (including myself) are seeming especially persnickety about how the information on this page is displayed, it is because it is currently up for star status, which demands that the article follow the Project:Manual of style perfectly. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:18, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

 * It's not bad to have a quick summary of the city's main attractions in the introduction. That's where we're trying to sell the traveler on coming here. I don't think the specific population numbers would be useful for a traveler, but something like "fast-growing" might - correct me if that's not accurate. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 17:10, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

"Where did you sleep last night?"
I am sorry for commenting the way I did-- I didn't know of this 'talk' page untill now. I still believe the "Where did you sleep last night?" box is somewhat offensive:

"When you make a reservation at the "Embassy Suites Cincinnati", take a closer look at the address – it's actually in Covington, across the river in Kentucky. Many Covington hotels shamelessly play up their proximity to their more famous neighbor, keeping the dirty secret of the address down in the fine print. From Covington, it's only a short drive across the bridge to get back to downtown Cincinnati and the stadiums, so it's not an inconvenient option for travelers with cars. But if you're here for Cincinnati, it's best experienced in Cincinnati."

The following terms are offensive: shamelessly, dirty secret.

"Cincinnati USA" also includes NKY and SE Indiana-- and I believe that all three locations should work together inorder to prosper as one area. The leadership of all of the regions agree with that too.

Instead, why don't we change that to this: "When you make a reservation at the "Embassy Suites Cincinnati", take a closer look at the address – it's actually in Covington, across the river in Kentucky. Many Covington hotels use their proximity to their across-the-river neighbor to their advantage. From Covington, it's only a short drive across the bridge to get back to downtown Cincinnati and the stadiums, so it's not an inconvenient option for travelers with cars. But if you're here for Cincinnati, it's best experienced in Cincinnati."

Thanks, Lanskeith17 2:31, 27 June 2007

 * I'm going to disagree with you, just because Covington is a boring place compared to Newport or Cincinnati, or anywhere else in the Tri-State for that matter. It is rather shameful that hotels trick travelers by thinking they're in Cincinnati.  Sure, Covington has some interesting architecture, but that's about it.  It even goes for Marriott's "Cincinnati North" hotel in Mason, which is roughly 20 miles from Cincinnati.  I wonder if Newport tries and pulls the same type of trickery, but if they do, at least they have something to offer travelers in the way of entertainment, food, and nightlife. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 16:45, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Thanks for coming to the talk page, Keith. It'd be great if you could help us with the Covington (Kentucky) page, as it's still an incomplete guide, and since you seem to have some knowledge about Northern Kentucky, you might be able to help identify what's special about the city for travelers.

 * I removed the line that was specifically derogatory toward the city of Covington itself, because I'm willing to believe that the area has something of its own to offer. But the words "shamelessly" and "dirty secret" refer to the behavior of the hotels themselves, not the city, and I don't agree that they're offensive or inappropriate. First of all, we're not trying to be unbiased like Wikipedia. We're biased toward what's good for the traveler, and we're biased against deceptive practices by hotels, travel agencies, and the like. We also like lively writing, and calling a spade a spade. Frankly, using your name to foster the impression that you are in a completely different city - let alone a completely different state - is shameless. And the hotels are the ones who treat their location like a dirty secret. If those hotels were called Embassy Suites Covington, we wouldn't be having this conversation! (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 17:01, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Spring Grove Cemetery
Any reason why Spring Grove Cemetery was removed? Also Quatman Cafe?

(WT-en) Youjane1 23:11, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

Sapphire, I wish you would explain why you keep deleting Spring Grove Cemetery (and also Quatman if that was in fact you). Like I said on your talk page, it is a Cincinnati landmark, and it's also an arboretum. Hell people even get married there. What's your beef with Spring Grove?

(WT-en) Youjane1 16:04, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

 * Spring Grove Cemetery is not as well-known landmark as you make it sound. Please read number seven of the Project:Goals and non-goals.  Would you honestly recommend a friend visit Spring Grove Cemetery?  If you can say yes, then by all means include information about the place, but make the damn description lively (pun intended) and not so dull.  In fact, don't mention the cemetery's history, just give us the straight facts about why it's interesting.  I assure you, no one has ever gone to a cemetery for sightseeing purposes, unless a cemetery is one of the rare exceptions, but Spring Grove isn't one of those.  If it's really as interesting as you think it is, make me and everyone else who will ever read it believe so.  If you can do that, I can live with SGC in the guide. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 16:52, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

 * I've never been to Spring Grove, so I can't argue its specific merits, but I think the most recent description established it as worth notice to at least a few visitors - Civil War buffs, for example, would want to investigate further if major generals were buried there. I'm not a goth or a ghoul, but I do believe there are quite a few cemeteries around the world that are visited for sightseeing purposes - Pere Lachaise (Jim Morrison, Oscar Wilde) in Paris and St. Louis Cemetery #1 (Marie Laveau, voodoo) in New Orleans come to mind. From personal experience, Novodevichy Cemetery in Moscow has a mind-blowing amount of incredible sculptures, and was the most memorable experience I had there. I went to a cemetery in the Chicago suburbs just because it had a monument to a semi-obscure historical event (the Haymarket martyrs). And I used to work for a rabbi who directed sightseeing expeditions to Jewish cemeteries, who toured them for heritage reasons. Again, I don't know anything about Spring Grove, but I don't think you should hold a blanket ban on listing cemeteries. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 18:39, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

 * I've reinserted the listing, but please, please make the description less annoying. I doubt travelers care much about how old the cemetery is, but explain why it would be of interest to them.  I.e. on some nation historical register, hosts concerts, blah blah blah, not just that some famous dead people reside here.  -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 21:29, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

 * I would certainly recommend it more than the Fire Museum or some of the other things on the page...just because something isn't your cup of tea personally doesn't mean it doesn't belong on the page. -- (WT-en) Youjane1 • (Talk) • 9:04, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

 * I agree that cemeteries can often have a place in the see section of articles, depending of course on the cemetery. The description could use some beefing up, though, to "sell" the attraction to interested travelers. A nice example is the blurb for Oak Woods Cemetery in Chicago. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 09:14, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Sapphire, you do great work and I enjoy your comments, but I am somewhat of a cemetery freak also. New Orleans and Key West have tours which are very interesting and the stone carvings are a great expression of art. On my weekly wanderings I frequently photograph monuments. I have been hesitant to add them to Wikishared, but I think I will start (new travel topic?). The different burial practices around the world are interesting and a reflection of faith and ones love for the deceased, although it is not for me, most of my family goes for cremation. Take care and keep up the great work on Ohio. (WT-en) 2old 09:27, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

Guys, thanks for not lynching me. I had a moment of where I didn't consider consensus. Oh well, as I was reconsidering my stance I realized that even though I find the place terribly boring I should have considered it a little more. I'm not as hostile as I was because apparently the place hosts concerts, though I think that's creepy, not to mention getting married at a cemetery so 'mom could be there.' -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 10:07, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

 * I think it's a beautiful place...not sure I'd want to get married there but I can understand why some people would...anyway I modified the description, the rest of you please feel free to tweak as you deem appropriate. Thanks. -- (WT-en) Youjane1 • (Talk) • 14:54, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

 * Thanks for working with the feedback, and I hope you'll stick around. When an article is as built-up as Cincinnati, new entries can take a little negotiation, but they're still appreciated. I thought the mention of Civil War generals was an interesting point from a previous revision - you might restore that reference and mention one or two of them by name, if they were noteworthy. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 19:05, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

Lead image
The image on the left was recently replaced with the image on the right. I find the new one to be inferior compositionally, with two-thirds of it taken up by the river and the skyline squeezed into just the top portion. The coloring is also drab and gray compared to the sun-lit landscape seen in the older image. Thoughts? (WT-en) LtPowers 11:52, 3 January 2012 (EST)

The new one is up because the skyline has changed quite a bit with the banks being complete, the PNC Logo changing on the old Central Trust Tower and the Queen City Tower with its tiara in the sky. If you can get a replacement from Devou Park that is a much better angle but was taken on a better day I'm all for it. --(WT-en) Neilworms 11:25, 16 July 2012 (EDT)

This has been fixed thanks to the wonderful wikimedia photo archive. --Neilworms (talk) 16:32, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article?

In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 07:34, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

 * It's a very different kind of banner, but I certainly prefer it, but then I like panoramas. The current one is interestingly quirky, though, so let's see whether anyone disagrees before the change is (potentially) made. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:48, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I'm no fan of generic skyline panoramas, but the current banner doesn't strike me as particularly distinctive. The buildings pictured may be landmarks but they don't make a particularly compelling banner. LtPowers (talk) 20:33, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

 * But between the current banner and this one, which one do you like better? I can't tell from your remarks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:39, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I like the current banner quite a bit as it highlights something that is really underappreciated in Cincinnati that visitors might find intriguing - its historic architecture. Over-The-Rhine is one of the largest historic distrcts in the United States, its revitalization should be celebrated and honored, as well as touted so that the rest of the world should know about it.  I strongly support keeping it over a panorama shot, as it really highlights just how different Cincinnati is from its typical peer Midwestern cities and encourages curious visitors to take a closer look at what the city has to offer.  Also, there is already a very fine skyline shot at the beginning of the article.--Neilworms (talk) 17:01, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Speaking solely from an aesthetic standpoint, though, I'd much rather see the two swapped. The current skyline pic has lots of empty space in it due to its height/width ratio, while the banner shot of the historic district shows so little of the buildings as to be nearly useless.  If we put the skyline in the banner and made Over-The-Rhine the lead image, I think it would work a whole lot better.  Powers (talk) 00:11, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree with LtPowers' suggestion that the new banner be implemented and the lede image also be switched to this photo, which the current banner was cropped from. Any objections? Thatotherperson talk contribs  06:49, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

 * I don't object, but I think we should hear from Neilworms before any change is made. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:27, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with the switch, as long as both images are represented and prominent :-)--Neilworms (talk) 19:36, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Bible Belt comment
Someone had removed the comment regarding how places being closed on Sunday were due to Cincinnati's proximity to the bible belt. I propose keeping it. I know Cincinnati is at such a place where its culturally sensitive to being a border city between the North and South (I know I used to live there), however its the perception of people from cities to the north of Cincinnati that its culturally more Southern than most Northern cities - I know this because I've lived in Chicago for a few years and there are many differences including the fact businesses aren't closed on Sunday they are closed on Monday and this is due to differences in religiosity. I think this would be helpful for people coming from places where this isn't the case, they may be pretty shocked OTR of all places has most restaurants closed on Sunday. Finally I understand Cincinnati is predominantly Catholic, but its a much more conservative strain of Catholicism than one would find further north. Evangelical religion also is far more obvious than it is further north and culturally influential too.

Besides, Cincinnati by most measures is right by the bible belt, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Belt https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/BibleBelt.png

Any thoughts? --Neilworms (talk) 18:59, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Article split
Hi, everyone. I've never been to Cincinnati and have no opinion about whether or how the city should be districted, but I don't see any thread in which there was a proposal that was agreed to. Is everyone now on board with the efforts that are currently being made and in agreement on where the boundaries should be? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:50, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm open to discussing how the subarticles should be split up. I've traveled to Cincinnati many times (I'm actually there right now!) and it's pretty clear that Downtown and Over-the-Rhine (OTR) have enough attractions that they should get their own subarticles—Downtown has 50 markers and OTR has 41.  For my other suggested subarticles (which I linked to but haven't split yet), Mount Adams (just east of Downtown) has 11 markers, Clifton (just north of Downtown and OTR) has 14, and Northside (just northeast of Clifton) has 9.  So these may or may not justify their own articles.  Everything else should be grouped into Western Cincinnati and Eastern Cincinnati articles.  Splitting up this article as been discussed as early as 2005, and it was pretty clear that before splitting it was overly long and hard to navigate.  Antony-22 (talk) 04:21, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me, but what do others say, and what are the boundaries between the different districts? Also, 9 attractions would be enough for a separate district, but if the 9 is one attraction, 2 restaurants and 6 hotels, that's a lot more doubtful. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:29, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * There are enough sites Downtown and enough bars and restaurants of note Over-The-Rhine to be districts, for the rest I would initially suggest just an outer city area. Most of the Greater Cincinnati suburbs of note have their own articles. --Traveler100 (talk) 17:41, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * There are still around 80–90 markers in "outer" Cincinnati. Perhaps we can combine Clifton and Northside, and then split the rest East–West, which is a traditional Cincinnati cultural division?  Antony-22 (talk)

Guide article with empty see section?
I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but how does an article with an empty see section fulfill the requirement for a guide article? I'd prefer to keep this article at guide status, but I've never visited Cincinnati or Ohio for that matter, so I can't really do it myself. If it does not get filled within a month (which is reasonable), I will be downgrading it to informative as no guide city article has a missing "see" section. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:26, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

 * Since there has been no further comment, I've downgraded the article to outline. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:06, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Cinque Terre

Evan, I see you broke out the towns. I was wondering how this should be organised, as Cinque Terre isn't a city - more like a region. Also, the towns themseleves are so small, I'm not sure that they need their own pages. That said, I guess it's more consistent that way. --(WT-en) Caffeine 01:38, 8 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * Yeah, I realize that the towns are pretty small, and that it's pretty easy to, say, sleep in one and eat your breakfast in the next one over. I think you're right, though -- we should deal with Cinque Terre as a region, albeit a very small one. We could probably keep some highlights on the region page. Sound good? --(WT-en) Evan 11:59, 8 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * That sounds good. --(WT-en) Caffeine 12:37, 8 Jan 2004 (EST)

Map and Photos
Hey group,

I have added a needed map that I created (threw on the wikipedia logo for copyleft sakes). I also have a ton of pictures but will refrain from posting them all. :-P I do think some of my shots are really good and would like to replace some that we already have.  My Photo Album - If you want to check them out and let me know what you think. I was mainly thinking of the following:

 * Vernazza Panoramic
 * Manarola - main street
 * Corniglia and Lemon

Your thoughts? --(WT-en) Krigh 22 May 2006

 * Thanks for the map! May we have a copy of any vector version you may have made? Thanks! -- (WT-en) Mark 03:40, 23 May 2006 (EDT)

 * Sorry, Mark. Nothing higher quality than what you see. I made it in Photoshop and plus it's an approximation of the real thing. Not accurate enough to be vectored. --(WT-en) Krigh 29 May 2006

Hostel rated "terrible": keep or remove ?
The Cinque Terre Holidays hostel is rated "terrible" by traveler reviews at www.tripadvisor.com. Do we want to send people there ? But is this a sufficient reason to remove the link ? Being new to wikivoyage, I dare not do it. (WT-en) Fred-h- 17:49, 7 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Usually I'd say remove it, since you have already left a note here explaining the reason. But there aren't many sleep listings and this hostel looks to be a likely place that tourists will find. As such, it looks like an exception as described here. Perhaps you could add a note to the description about its crummy reviews? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:18, 7 August 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Circassian phrasebook

Is this right?
These edits strike me as very odd; they significantly change the text. Not knowing Circassian, I have no idea what's right, though. (WT-en) LtPowers 22:13, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

 * While I don't know a word of Circassian, some of the replaced text reads a lot like their Turkish counterparts, just a little phonetically corrupted in most cases. Wikipedia says there is not a single, unified Circassian language, and dialectical or geographical (i.e. Circassian spoken in Northern Caucasus/Russia vs. Circassian spoken in Turkey) differences may be the reason of such a mass altering of the phrasebook. Maybe we should divide this phrasebook into Adyghe phrasebook and Kabardian phrasebook. – (WT-en) Vidimian 02:06, 9 August 2010 (EDT)

 * More I dig into history of this phrasebook, more I am amazed. I've even come across one certain qanafane, which was provided as a translation for "toilet", and which likely derives from the very antiquated Turkish word of kenefhane which has fallen out of regular usage long ago and which literally means, yes, shit house. This is (was) almost a parody of a phrasebook, although the spellings are far enough from standard Turkish (and many of phrases are not Turkish-origin even in older versions anyway) that they may be legitimate. – (WT-en) Vidimian 04:50, 9 August 2010 (EDT)

 * I actually thought the only proper modern usage of "Circassian" was to refer to Circassians living in Turkey (having been driven out of Russia centuries ago). I'd be fine with making this a disambiguation for Adyge phrasebook (I don't understand why it would be Adyghe, as it is on Wikipedia) and Kabardian phrasebook. No idea on how to merge the existing content, though. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:10, 10 August 2010 (EDT)

 * Peter, can you grasp any influence from Russian on this current version of phrasebook? I see there is a shiyana (шияна), which is provided as the translation for "blue". That's likely derived from cyan (which I guess has a similar Russian equivalent?) and it's not used in Turkish unless speaking about some obscure scientific issues. In older versions, "blue" was mai (Мяги), which is very similar to its Turkish equivalent — mavi. So if my hunch is right, the phrasebook prior to edits started on Aug 9 was for Circassian spoken in Turkey and all versions after that are for Circassian spoken in Russia. I'm not sure how to divide this between Adyge and Kabardian, though, as Wikipedia articles on those languages state that both are spoken in both countries. – (WT-en) Vidimian 03:22, 11 August 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Circum-Baikal Railway

VFD Discussion
Relatively short tourist train with fixed stops for walks, and no destinations along the way for which we will ever likely have articles. Could easily be contained at Lake Baikal.
 * Merge with Lake Baikal. (WT-en) texugo 02:24, 22 March 2011 (EDT)

Result: Merge tag added for Lake Baikal. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:48, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

 * Almost three years later; should it be merged with Lake Baikal or not? Or maybe with the Trans-Siberian Railway? --ϒpsilon (talk) 11:07, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

 * I don't know. It could be put in the "Get around" section of Lake Baikal. Would that be more appropriate than adding it to Trans-Siberian Railway? I could see the logic of either argument. So I'd just say, pick one or the other action, and if no-one chimes in to object by, say, tomorrow or so, just do it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:11, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

 * Hmm... the railway has been a part of the T-S and I think it's fairly popular among those foreign T-S travelers who stop for a couple of days in the region.
 * User:Atsirlin maybe has an opinion? ϒpsilon (talk) 11:22, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

 * The railway is a major tourist destination. It can't be properly featured within the Lake Baikal article, because the lake is huge and spans for more than thousand kilometers. Aspects like transportation will not be properly covered. --Alexander (talk) 14:20, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

 * So should we keep it as a separate article, after all? ϒpsilon (talk) 14:38, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I would keep it as a separate article, because it is one of the most visited places on the lake. And it has its own details, such as (scarce) food options, lodging, and trip arrangements (groups can book an old-fashioned train, for example). That said, I have never been there, so I don't have any first-hand information to contribute. --Alexander (talk) 18:25, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

 * OK, I'll try to expand the article a little bit using Wikipedia, and add some photos from Commons and see what becomes of it. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:47, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Cirencester

Older WT discussions
Nicely tidied. Although I think something about the weekly market maybe should be added. It's only small, and isn't really very 'farmery'! - Lionfish 14/07/05

Cotswold Water Park Hotel not the name of property
The Watermark Hotel, I updated the listing with factual information, but the name is improper. I didn't want to violate any policies by changing the name, I represent Four Pillars. I'm asking someone else in the community to change it please. Let me know if you need anymore info. VerbInteractive (talk) 14:19, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I also feel it should be listed under Splurge VerbInteractive (talk) 14:22, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Updated per the name on the website and your remarks. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:02, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Suggested addition to the description: A 4-star hotel and event venue on Lake 6 in South Cerney, Gloucestershire, situated off the A419, 3 miles from Cirencester. The Cotswold Water Park Hotel offers 28 bedrooms, 21 meeting and event suites, a spa, bar and restaurant.
 * Added. JuliasTravels (talk) 19:34, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Ciudad Bolívar

ok. that budget sleep entry of mine wasnt the most professional, but its a real good place, and it might help you, maybe..

ngch

I removed the following entry from the Sleep section. If anyone can make something out of it, feel free to add it back. -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 18:16, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

 * we stayed at a posada (name starts with a D, can't remember more) in calle Liberdad, which is in the office of a tour aegency run by some venezuelanos. nice place, although the ac was out of order..Bs. 10,000 pp. some of the staff hangs around at town/terminal ain the morning, handing out flyers. good place, nice folk, kitchen + washing mashine free (!). they also give 2 free nights if you go on tours with them, althoung those tours are not bu dget at all :(..

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Talk:Ciudad Real

I am not sure about the merit in article for all the Spanish "provinces" - at the moment the "regions" should be good enough. Hence, this article is now for the city and not the region. -- (WT-en) DanielC 10:24, 4 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Error
I think that the Puerta de Toledo is in Madrid, not in Ciudad Real...

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Talk:Civitavecchia

Have deleted entry under "Sleep" for Venere. Is a Europe-wide hotel-booking web-site.

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Talk:Cixi City

 *

I can recommend the Zhongyi Business Hotel, it is well priced, has large clean and comfortable rooms and whilst the staff don't speak English, you can communicate with a bit of sign language and you normally get what you needed. The food is good and again very well priced (for a foreigners budget) and they offer a Western selection as well.

Breakfast has a good range of dishes again both Western and Chinese, including freshly cooked items, plenty of fruit and juices.

They also have KTV on the 2nd and 3rd floor (100 KTV rooms) and although I did not use the KTV, it seems to be very well run with good facilities and respectable (I did walk around the KTV are to be nosy) If you are on the 9th floor or higher you can not hear some of the dreadful singing at all as the building is well insulated from noise, you can hear a little noise with your room window open but it is low level and not irritating (well not to me)

The Hotel is convenient for most locations in Cixi and downtown is about 1km away, there are numerous cafes and restaurants in the area but no typical Western bars (I think the Zhongyi hotel should open a bar as there is no bar in the hotel, you can have a drink in the breakfast area but you will be on your own)Also, if you like fast Western food, there is KFC, Muccy D`s and Pizza hut (Pizza hut here is better than in the UK) I would recommend NN Dumplings as a Chinese alternative to Western fast food ( the beef dumpling soup is excellent ) but I would also suggest trying traditional local food as it is also good (restaurants are often described by the type of food they offer, rice, noodle, spicy and not spicy and fish, I do not eat fish !)

All in all the Zhongyi Hotel is very good and the staff are very helpful. Cixi is not the prettiest place on earth but it seems to be safe and the local people are keen to say hello and offer a smile.

Gerald

(has been to Cixi on many occasions and has currently been here for 6 weeks (with a break to go home )

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Talk:Clare County

Clare County
per User talk:60.52.138.153 ~ 60.51.204.185 13:02, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Redirect to Central Michigan. -(WT-en) Todd VerBeek 08:32, 19 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:14, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 10:26, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Clark

Hey, I like how you did the official link after the name of the place! Can we talk about making that standard on Project:Templates? I'd like to know if others agree... (WT-en) Majnoona 14:18, 25 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * I missed this. Yes, I like the idea too. --(WT-en) Ravikiran 13:44, 4 Feb 2006 (EST)

Disambig
This is ambiguous with CRK, Clark Airport in the Philippines.

I travel mostly in Asia & know Clark as a hub for low-cost flights & a destination for people looking for the girlie bars in nearby Angeles, possibly the country's best destination for that. I've also met several people who were stationed at Clark when it was an important US air base during the Vietnam War. If it were up to me, I'd make Clark redirect to the airport & move the small town to Clark (New Jersey). Pashley (talk) 18:16, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Checking 'what links here' I found half a dozen that linked to "Clark" but meant the airport. Those are all now fixed, but new ones may crop up later. Pashley (talk) 18:38, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

I've never been to either Clark, and have no opinion about which one travellers are most likely looking for. Maybe it would be best to set Clark as a disambiguation page pointing to the two articles. I wouldnt be surprised if there were several Clark counties across the US. Ground Zero (talk) 08:00, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

 * You are indeed correct. Clark County, Nevada is Las Vegas' county, so quite important. A web search also turns up Clark counties in Washington, Ohio, Wisconsin, Kentucky, Indiana, Kansas and Illinois. There's also a Clarke County, Virginia. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:13, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Checking 'what links here' a few years later, I found & fixed four badly aimed links. Pashley (talk) 13:55, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

rahwah city
does that sentence make sense to anyone? Baozon90 (talk) 00:25, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Clark County

There was a "battleground" listed under cities, but Geonames doesn't show a "Battleground" anywhere in Washington state. Any ideas? --(WT-en) Evan 08:46, 7 December 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Clarkes Court Bay

I suggest deleting this article. Clarkes Court Bay is just a bay, not a region, Grenada has several bays on its south coast and Clarkes Court is certainly not notable among them. There is basicly nothing there for tourists. Yes there is a marina there, but thats about it.
 * Well it looks like this has been created as a region, not a body of water. So that's in line with our Project:What's an article? policy. The usual rule-of-thumb is 'can you sleep there'... and I'm not sure if a marina counts or not. Technically, travellers could be docking at the marina as a place to sleep. Having stuff for tourists or being notable isn't really a criteria, but being a "destination" (as we define that), is... (WT-en) Maj 21:30, 12 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Well if this is legitimate article then you could create half a dozen one line articles that are similar. If you want to keep it it would make far more sense to make a general article about the south coast bays of Grenada.  As for docking at the marina as a place to sleep, sure you would be in the bay, but technically you would be in Grand Anse Valley or Mt Hartmans (there is some confusion as to the actual area the marina is in).  Its also worth noting that most locals know the bay as Woburn Bay, though yachties refer to it as Clarkes Court.  The only reason this article is here in the first place is because the user who created it was trying to advertise their buisness via wiki travel (see the grenada article and my comment in the talk section where I removed their buisnesses entry).  The article wouldnt exist if this guy wasnt trying to advertise, and since his yacht never seems to have made it to clarkes court bay the whole intension of creating the article is lost.  Just my 2 cents (WT-en) Russeasby 19:44, 13 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Since you want to keep it I edited it to at least be correct. Though it still seems awfully backwards to me.(WT-en) Russeasby 19:50, 13 September 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Clarksburg (West Virginia)

I just called the phone number for Cactus Jack's, and it's disconnected. I'm guessing it was removed from this list because it's out of business. --(WT-en) Evan 12:22, 28 November 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Clarksdale

''This page is for discussing the corresponding article or guide. For more about using talk pages check out Project:Using talk pages.''

Comments
This page only had a few lines on it when I first saw it, so, since I have lived in Clarksdale 58 years, I have tried to flesh it out with my personal knowledge. I have eaten at every restaurant many times and have visited all the sites. There are some small restaurants where I have never eaten, and I have not included them. Since this is my first article and I don't know what I'm doing, I would appreciate any helpful comments.

- Jackmer

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Talk:Clarksville (Indiana)

Comments
I applied the style tag because of the extensive use of frontlinking. See Project:External links.

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Talk:Clarksville (Tennessee)

I moved the following from the main page. Census style data is more appropriate for wikipedia, but if someone wishes to incorporate this info, please do. -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 08:51, 28 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Population (2006 est.)
 * '''City of Clarksville          111,461
 * '''Montgomery County            145,674
 * '''Clarksville MSA              215,656

 * Climate
 * A mild climate with four distinct seasons, Clarksville is a pleasant and scenic destination any month of the year.
 * '''Average Annual High Temperature               68.0
 * '''Average January Temperature                   36.0
 * '''Average July Temperature                      78.0
 * '''Average Annual Precipation                    47.10"
 * '''Average Annual Sunny Days                     56.0%

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Talk:Classic Tokyo, Modern Tokyo

If someone has only one day to spend in Tokyo it saddens me to think they will be wasting part of it in Odaiba. (WT-en) Ashibaka 14:42, 7 April 2008 (EDT)

 * What's wrong with Odaiba, and where else should they go to see "modern Tokyo"? (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:12, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Cleveland

Disambiguation
The disambiguation of "Cleveland" is ludicrous. Has anyone measured the traffic to "Cleveland" sites. This extra step to get to the 14th largest market in the US is annoying to Wikivoyage users. What do we have to do to reverse this decision???

I think Cleveland, Ohio should be listed at Cleveland, since it's by far the most well-known Cleveland. --(WT-en) Evan 14:35, 19 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * But quoting from the naming conventions page:

 * 4. As an exception, if one place is so famous that the disambiguation is a hindrance rather than a help, it remains without a disambiguating parenthesized suffix. Examples: Paris is the capital of France, Paris (Texas) is a nice little prairie town in the US. Los Angeles refers to the large metropolitan area in southern California, and Los Angeles (Chile) refers to the mid-sized town south of Santiago. Peru is the country in South America; Peru (Indiana) is a town in the American Midwest.
 * The last exception here is a rare one. If there's a reasonable chance that people might be confused, use the disambiguators.

 * "The last exception is a rare one..." seems to say to me that when in doubt, disambiguate. I agree that Cleveland, Tennessee isn't anything amazing or wonderful, but it seems like I've seen plenty of other disambiguation pages that didn't live up to the rule you seem to want to apply here.  Ontario for example - the province of Canada is considerably more well-known.  Why disambiguate then?  Am I just misunderstanding rule number 2?  You always disambiguate when they are geographically seperate not matter how well-known one might be?

 * I don't mean to be confrontational, I just want to make sure I understand the dismabiguation process... -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 15:40, 19 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * It's a fine-grained one, I understand. As you can see on Talk:Ontario (province), there's some debate whether the other main Ontario (a town in Orange County, mostly known for its airport) is sufficiently well known to cause any confusion. --(WT-en) Evan 15:59, 19 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Web directory
Copied from Talk:Cleveland (disambiguation):

This is pretty cool, but it'd be nice to see some more information pertinent to travellers. -- (WT-en) Evan 19:19, 5 Sep 2003 (PDT)

 * I agree with myself. This has turned out to be a very nice Web directory for all things Cleveland, and a terrible travel guide. Does anyone more familiar with Cleveland want to get in here and get a real article started? I'm starting to think that the best thing to do is tear this whole edifice of directorydom down and start anew. -- (WT-en) Evan 08:38, 17 Nov 2003 (PST)

 * I dont know from Cleveland, but took a stab at making it a little more wikivoyage-ish. (WT-en) Majnoona

 * Thanks. Good example; I should have just plunged forward and started following some of those links. -- (WT-en) Evan 12:31, 17 Nov 2003 (PST)

Grew up in Cleveland, will try and add some information on here. Added the Cleveland sports teams to the page, will try and beef up the overall content. -- (WT-en) David 22 Mar 2005

Image
I literally just went to the top floor of my dorm and took the picture currently on the site, and as a result it's not the best. Anyone got a better one? (WT-en) Andromeda321 00:42, 26 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Information moved from main article.
''The information below was moved from the main article because it applied to more than just Cleveland. The information about the city of Cleveland's schools has been left in the article, but all the other information should be moved to their respective county or city pages.'' -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 09:50, 26 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Learn
Northeast Ohio's network of 55 colleges and universities comprises the second largest concentration of educational institutions in the nation (after New York City). Outstanding university and vocational training programs, coupled with exceptional liberal arts colleges, provide abundant educational opportunities.

Northeast Ohio offers a variety of educational institutions. Among the area's colleges and universities are:

City of Cleveland Case Western Reserve University Cleveland State University David N. Myers College, Cleveland Ohio College of Podiatric Medicine, Cleveland Cleveland Institute of Art Capital University, Cleveland Center Cuyahoga Community College, Cleveland

Cuyahoga County Baldwin-Wallace College, Berea Cleveland College of Jewish Studies, Beachwood John Carroll University, University Heights Notre Dame College of Ohio, South Euclid Ursuline College, Pepper Pike

Summit County University of Akron University of Akron Community Technical College

Portage County Kent State University, Kent Hiram College, Hiram Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine, Rootstown

Lake County Lake Erie College, Painesville Lakeland Community College, Willoughby

Lorain County Oberlin College, Oberlin Lorain County Community College

Stark County Malone College, Canton Mount Union College, Alliance Kent State University Stark Campus Stark State College of Technology, Canton Walsh University, North Canton

Mahoning County Youngstown State University YSU College of Health Human Services

Columbiana County Allegheny Wesleyan College, Salem Kent State University East Liverpool Campus Kent State University Salem Campus

Trumbull County Kent State University Trumbull Campus, Warren

Wayne County The College of Wooster

''The "other" may have some that belong to Cleveland, but I'm unsure at this point. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 14:05, 28 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Work

 * Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company Akron $14.7 Rubber
 * FirstEnergy Akron $12.3 Utilities
 * Progressive Corporation Mayfield Heights $11.8 Insurance
 * International Steel Group, Inc. Richfield $4.0 Steel
 * Timken Canton $3.7 Alloy Steel

Other Large Employers
More employment opportunities in Cuyahoga County include:
 * American Greetings Corp
 * Case Western Reserve University
 * Continental Airlines
 * Ford Motor Co
 * General Motors Corp
 * ICI-Glidden Paints
 * Lincoln Electric Co
 * MNBA America Bank
 * SBC Communications

Churches, etc moved from Main Article
''The below appear all to be in the Greater Cleveland area and not the city of Cleveland itself. I also moved them because the list was absolutely huge and would like be unwieldy to a traveller. A representative selection is probably best. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 14:17, 28 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Assemblies of God

 * Bethel Temple Assembly of God, Parma
 * First Assembly of God, Lyndhurst
 * Rockside Church, Independence

Baptist

 * Bethlehem Baptist Church, Orange
 * Cleveland Baptist Church, Cleveland www.clevelandbaptist.org
 * Cornerstone Bible Fellowship, North Olmsted
 * Columbia Road Baptist Church, North Olmsted www.crbc-online.org
 * First Baptist Church of Greater Cleveland, Shaker Heights
 * Grace Baptist Church, Westlake
 * Harmony Baptist Church, Old Brooklyn
 * Lakewood Baptist Church
 * NorthCoast Baptist Church, Lakewood
 * Parma Heights Baptist Church
 * Pathway Institutional Baptist Church, Maple Heights
 * Warrensville Road Community Baptist Church, Maple Heights
 * WestShore Community Church, Westlake

Catholic

 * Holy Cross Church, Euclid
 * Holy Spirit Byzantine, Parma
 * St. Adalbert, Berea
 * St. Bartholomew, Middleburg Heights
 * St. Brendan Online, North Olmsted
 * St. Christopher, Rocky River
 * St. Clement, Lakewood
 * St. Felicitas, Euclid
 * St. James, Lakewood St. John Neumann, Strongsville
 * St. Mary of the Falls, Olmsted Falls
 * St. Peter & Paul, Garfield Heights
 * St. Thomas More, Brooklyn

Christian (DOC)

 * Euclid Avenue Christian Church, Cleveland Heights

Church of Christ

 * Hope Christian Church, Westlake

Church of God

 * Lakeview Church of God, Parma
 * Brecksville Church of God of Prophecy

Congregational

 * Lakewood Congregational Church
 * Olmsted Community Church

Episcopal

 * All Saints Episcopal Church, Parma
 * Christ Episcopal Church, Shaker Heights
 * Church of the Ascension, Lakewood
 * St. Paul's Episcopal Church, Cleveland Heights
 * St. Paul's Episcopal Church, East Cleveland
 * St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Lakewood

Evangelical Covenant

 * Bethany Covenant Church, Lyndhurst

Foursquare Gospel

 * Eagle Rock Church, Westlake
 * Lakewood Foursquare Chapel

Friends

 * North Olmsted Evangelical Friends Church

Grace Brethren

 * Southern Hills Community Church, Strongsville

Hindu Vedic

 * Greater Cleveland Shiva Vishnu Temple, Parma

Jewish

 * Congregation Shaarey Tikvah, Beachwood
 * Heights Jewish Center Synagogue
 * Kol Chadash, Solon

Lutheran

 * Bethel Lutheran Church, Middleburg Heights
 * Bethlehem Lutheran Church, Cleveland Heights
 * Bethlehem Lutheran Church, Parma
 * Christ the Redeemer Lutheran Church, Brecksville
 * Faith Lutheran Church, Lakewood
 * First Evangelical Lutheran Church, Strongsville
 * Grace Lutheran Church, Cleveland Heights
 * Hope Lutheran Church, Cleveland Heights
 * Lutheran Church of the Good Shepherd, Brooklyn
 * Messiah Lutheran Church, Fairview Park
 * St. John Lutheran Church, South Euclid
 * St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Shaker Heights
 * Trinity Lutheran Church, ELCA, Lakewood
 * Valley Lutheran Church, LCMS, Chagrin Falls

Mennonite

 * Friendship Mennonite Church, Bedford Heights

Nazarene

 * Bedford Church of the Nazarene
 * Garfield Heights Church of the Nazarene
 * Westlake Parkside Nazarene Church, Westlake

Nondenominational

 * Christ the King, North Olmsted
 * Church on the Rise, Bay Village
 * First Cyberchurch, Berea
 * Grace Church, North Olmsted (www.gcno.org)
 * Old Oak Bible Church, Middleburg Heights
 * The Rock of Lakewood
 * Worldview Community Church, Olmsted Falls

Orthodox

 * St. Andrew Church, Maple Heights
 * St. Gregorios Indian Orthodox Church, Cleveland
 * Christ the Saviour American Orthodox Church, North Royalton
 * Holy Trinity Orthodox Church, Parma
 * Mar Gregorios Indian Orthodox Church, Cleveland
 * St. Sergius Russian Orthodox Cathedral, Parma
 * St. Michael's Orthodox Church, Broadview Heights
 * St. Theodosius Cathedral,Cleveland
 * St. E. Premte Orthodox Church, Cleveland
 * St. Mary Romanian Orthodox Cathedral, Cleveland
 * SS. Peter and Paul Church, Lakewood
 * Saints Constantine & Helen Cathedral, Cleveland
 * Annunciation Church, Cleveland
 * St. John of Kronstandt Church, Cleveland
 * St. Vladimirs Ukrainian Orthodox Cathedral, Parma
 * Saint George Antiochian Orthodox, Cleveland
 * St. Mark's Coptic Orthodox Church, Seven Hills
 * St Nicholas Orthodox Church, Cleveland
 * St. Paul's Greek Orthodox Church, North Royalton
 * St. Sava Serbian Orthodox Cathedral, Parma

Pentecostal

 * First United Pentecostal Church of Parma
 * Fairmount Presbyterian Church

Presbyterian

 * Forest Hill Church, Presbyterian
 * Grace Presbyterian Church, Lakewood
 * Lakewood Presbyterian Church
 * Noble Road Presbyterian Church, Cleveland Heights
 * Parma-South Presbyterian Church
 * Pioneer Memorial Presbyterian Church, Solon
 * St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church, Olmsted Falls

Unitarian

 * First Unitarian Church, Shaker Heights
 * Olmsted Unitarian Universalist Church, North Olmsted
 * Southwest Unitarian Universalist Church, Berea
 * West Shore Unitarian Universalist Church, Rocky River

United Church of Christ

 * Church of the Redeemer, Westlake
 * First United Church of Christ, Lakewood
 * Middleburg Heights Community Church
 * Plymouth Church, Shaker Heights

United Methodist

 * Berea United Methodist Church
 * Brecksville United Methodist Church
 * Church of the Saviour, Cleveland Heights
 * East Shore Church, Euclid
 * Garfield Memorial United Methodist Church, Pepper Pike
 * Lakewood United Methodist Church
 * Maple Heights United Methodist Church (www.mapleheightsumc.com)
 * Mayfield United Methodist Church Mentor United Methodist Church
 * North Royalton United Methodist Church
 * Pleasant Hills United Methodist Church, Middleburg Heights
 * Ridgewood United Methodist Church, Parma
 * Rockport United Methodist Church, Rocky River
 * Solon United Methodist Church
 * Strongsville United Methodist Church
 * Westlake United Methodist Church

Cleveland advertising?
The introduction to this article reads like a travel brochure produced by the city government. "Come and see for yourself"? A "world class" city? What the hell is that about? Can someone who knows something about Cleveland who isn't an idiot advertising agent change the introduction?

 * As a big Cleveland supporter and fan, I would admit I agree. It reads a bit like a travel brochure. 'Most golf courses per capita' should go in Do; '2nd in recreational options' to Do as well; 'fifth in number in number in the nation of major cultural resources' to Understand. NYC, Chicago, Tokyo, etc. could really brag--but they don't 'brag' in the opener. NYC's as of 10/29/09: New York (also referred to as "New York City", "NYC", "The Big Apple", or just "the City"), is the biggest city in the United States. It lies at the mouth of the Hudson River in the southernmost part of the state, which is part of the Mid-Atlantic region of the USA.

 * The New York Metropolitan Area spans parts of three states—lower New York, northern New Jersey, and southwestern Connecticut. It is the USA's largest metro area, with a population of 18.7 million. As of 2007, it was 5th in the world, after Tokyo, Sao Paulo, Mexico City and Seoul.

 * New York City is a center for media, culture, food, fashion, art, research, finance, and trade. It has one of the largest and most famous skylines on earth, dominated by the iconic Empire State Building.

 * A change is needed!(WT-en) Zepppep 16:09, 29 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Well, for starters, it's supposed to sound like a travel brochure. That's what this is!  =)  (WT-en) LtPowers 18:48, 29 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Not sure who the first "poster" was LT, but although his/her lang. may be a bit harsh, I would have to agree.

While certainly there's no judge of which city is better, New York City, Chicago and Los Angeles all have their own flavor of intro. and all do a less-over-the-top job of describing their city's unique charm better than Cleveland. I know Cleveland gets a lot of crap from its 70s-80s image and they've done a lot to turn that around, and I know they may get a lot of crap from folks further east of them (New Yorkers?) because some people somehow think "smaller is worse," but I would still have to agree with the original "poster's" statement it sounds directly from the Cleveland Tourist Board or something like that. Still, however, that's not my MAIN point.

I still think some "facts" from different magazines would be better suited to Understand, Sports, and Do. Take a look at Pittsburgh, a city often compared with Cleveland, which I might dare say has more of their article (particularly district articles) developed than C-land.My two cents' worth...maybe others have an opinion?(WT-en) Zepppep 12:20, 2 November 2009 (EST)

 * Well, if you think it's overdone, fix it. =)  Not sure what else I can say.  (WT-en) LtPowers 14:05, 2 November 2009 (EST)

Districts
I brought this up once before but Cleveland is an exceptionally confusing to city to navigate (personal experience) and I really think breaking Cleveland into districts would be wise. I'm don't know a whole lot about the Cleveland area except the Flats district is known for the bars and strip clubs, there's another hip district called the Warehouse District, University Circle, and a downtown. Would anyone more well versed in the area know of any additional districts? -- (WT-en) Sapphire 00:26, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Despite living in Cleveland for fourteen years I'm not totally sure what the best districts would be. Perhaps East Side, West Side and Downtown?  University Circle might be a good district, but it's a small part of the East Side and I think it's clearer to just make the whole thing one district.  Thus the East Side would include University Circle, Little Italy, Shaker Square, etc.  The Downtown would include the Flats, and the West Side would include things like the West Side Market, the Zoo, etc.  You probably want to solicit opinions from other Clevelanders though to see if they have any ideas. -- (WT-en) Ryan 01:06, 3 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Thanks. I'll create any questionable districts in my sandbox and then merge them into the proper districts later.  Where does the Warehouse District fall? -- (WT-en) Sapphire 01:08, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

 * That's down by Jacob's Field, right? I moved in 1998, and at that time the area was still being redeveloped.  Anyhow, if that's right then it would be downtown. -- (WT-en) Ryan 01:12, 3 October 2006 (EDT)
 * I think it's just south of Jacob's Field. Also, should Tremont get it's own district or would a South Side suffice? -- (WT-en) Sapphire 01:15, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

 * It would probably be best to get someone else's opinion. My preference is that cities not be split into too many districts, and since the Flats, Jacobs Field, Tremont, etc are all within a mile or two of Terminal Tower I'd say they're all the same district.  However, there are some advantages to using more specific districts, and if that's done then you could split downtown into the east side of the river (downtown) and the west side (flats), and create other districts for distinct areas like University Circle.
 * Alright, I'll send an email to the CVB there. I'll be up that area in a few days and try to swing down to Cleveland and do some scouting. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 01:26, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

Native Clevelander here! I just discovered this site yesterday and colored in some more detail, especially for the West Side, although I have to admit some of it might be better split off into some other sections since some of the items are in the suburbs.

In old-fashioned Cleveland tradition, I am not sure of the idea of including Tremont and Ohio City in with Downtown, as they used to be separate cities a hundred years ago and really have very distinct identities.

The 'South Side' idea is probably misleading, because we locals just don't see a 'south' side, because all we think about is whether its West or East of the Cuyahoga River.

As far as districts downtown, I can create a map to show where the districts start and end. There are several districts there, and they all seem to be listed in the Cleveland Wikipedia article.

I'd love to see this article tell a story about Cleveland that makes any newcomer feel like they could blend right in with the locals, I'd be interested in how that sits with everyone...

Another thing I'd be interested in opinions on is how to tell travelers about Cleveland without spilling out into the suburbs--since a large chunk of Cleveland life really happens in the suburbs, even if you live in the city itself, should we talk about the suburbs here--or split them into separate 'suburban districts' and have them on seperate pages? (An example would be "The Westshore Suburbs", which is generally accepted by locals as Bay Village, Westlake, North Olmsted, Rocky River, Fairview Park & Lakewood.)

If I were to break Cleveland & Western Cuyahoga County down for this site, it would probably look like this:
 * Downtown - I think there is enough there to talk about for one page within the area formed by the Lake, the River, and the Innerbelt (I-90).
 * University Circle - There's an awful lot chocked into one area here that could take almost a week to see. The Cleveland Clinic Campus and University Hospitals should probably be included too.
 * West Side - This would be everything west of the River in only the city (such as the Airport, the IX Center, the Zoo, Ohio City, Tremont, Old Brooklyn, etc.). Perhaps the suburbs of Brooklyn and Linndale should be tossed in there too, since they're almost surrounded by the city.
 * East Side - This would be everything except Downtown and University Circle, like Slavic Village, Little Italy, Shaker Square, etc. This is the part where I admit that I am a West-Sider and that I'm not sure if the East Side has enough to talk about without University Circle.  More input on this would be helpful!
 * Westshore Suburbs - This would be Bay Village, Westlake, North Olmsted, Rocky River, Fairview Park & Lakewood.
 * Southwest Suburbs - Olmsted Falls, Olmsted Township, Brook Park, Berea, Middleburg Heights, Strongsville, Parma, Parma Heights, North Royalton, Seven Hills, Independence, Broadview Heights, and Brecksville. Maybe this should be broken down further???

I have no idea exactly how to divy up the east suburbs, nor do I know enough to feel like I should write lots about them. Help here would be excellent, since the East Suburbs have so much to offer!

I can also get some pictures (if I don't already have them!) to add more color to the article. Please let me know your opinions and if there is anything I can do to help further the guide since I actually live in the area! (WT-en) LeeHawkins 23:40, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Shoreline
I don't know where to verify it, but it seems unlikely that Cleveland has the most shoreline of any city in the world. Off the top of my head, it seems like at the very least Singapore would have more shoreline, since it is a fairly large island-city. —The preceding comment was added by 137.99.145.90 (talk • contribs).

Agreed. Hyperbole like this just adds to the impression that this article is trying *way* too hard to make Cleveland sound appealing. —The preceding comment was added by 70.239.6.195 (talk • contribs)

Understand--comeback years
Would Progressive Field be considered "new" having been built in 1994?

On that line, the magazine reference in Do -- Sports -- for the Indians is a bit too townie for me. I changed "many consider Progressive Field the gem of the AL" to "some..." but might recommend taking it a step further and deleting that all together. Yes, the Jake has a wonderful reputation but "many" would actually state Fenway in Boston as the "gem of the AL" (or even the entire MLB) so then this begs the question: why not just mention some of the "gem"-things about the Jake and let people decide for themselves beyond that? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Zepppep (talk • contribs)

 * Well, we do have to be careful not to neuter the language so much that it becomes boring to read. See Project:Tone.  (WT-en) LtPowers 18:48, 29 October 2009 (EDT)

Alternative banner for this article?
In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 03:33, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I think the current banner is more interesting to look at than the new one. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:36, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I second Ikan's opinion. The proposed one also cuts off the top of some the tallest buildings, and there's a rather unappealing jumble of things in the center of the banner (around the blue-painted bridge). And the shoreline, while nice, would get covered up by the contents bar as a banner. PerryPlanet (talk) 14:25, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The current banner cannot stay on Commons, unless those statues are really old. I've had to nominate it for deletion, but we can upload it locally under our Non-free content policy.  vi.wikivoyage also uses it, though, and they don't seem to have a non-free content policy.  Powers (talk) 15:09, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The Soldiers' and Sailors' Monument (Cleveland) is over 100 years old and thus not subject to copyright. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:04, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I had no way of identifying the statues in the photo. I wish the uploader had given some details.  Powers (talk) 00:52, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I prefer the existing banner.• • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 19:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

 * I much prefer the top picture. Cityscape images feel like a copout to me. Easy choices but not very interesting. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 14:10, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Current banner Matroc (talk) 03:13, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Learn
The Learn section is usually for short-term opportunities a traveller might take, not a place to describe all the long-term educational institutions, so I'm placing these below. If any of them offer something feasible for a traveller, or if any of them offer things to See or Do, feel free to reinsert it back in the article in the relevant section, with added details on what is of interest there. Texugo (talk) 18:28, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Cleveland Institute of Music, . A leading international conservatory for classical music.
 * Cleveland Institute of Music, . A leading international conservatory for classical music.
 * Cleveland Institute of Music, . A leading international conservatory for classical music.
 * Cleveland Institute of Music, . A leading international conservatory for classical music.
 * Cleveland Institute of Music, . A leading international conservatory for classical music.

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Talk:Cliffe

This is best treated under GET OUT in Chatham and/or Rochester pages. It does not seem to have an hotel or much to see. (WT-en) Shep 13:28, 13 February 2010 (EST)

It would be better to start with a page for the Hoo Peninsula, which is a big enough area to have a few things to see and do. I did find 2 B&Bs in Cliffe Woods, but nothing in Cliffe. I guess it is worth waiting a week or two to see what appears, then maybe move (or delete) the page. (WT-en) AlasdairW 19:11, 13 February 2010 (EST)

VFD Discussion

 *  Redirect Delete. This was tagged VFD in February 2010 but apparently not placed on the nomination page.  I don't know where to redirect to, but from the talk page: "This is best treated under GET OUT in Chatham and/or Rochester pages. It does not seem to have an hotel or much to see." -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:59, 13 June 2010 (EDT)

 * I'm not sure which article to redirect to, so rather than create a dubious redirect I'd rather delete this. If someone can provide a pointer to a good redirect option then a redirect would obviously be preferred. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:02, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

 * Redirect to the next level up if there's doubt. That'd be Kent.  (WT-en) LtPowers 20:20, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

 * Redirect to Kent. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 17:23, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

Result: Redirected to Kent. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:40, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Cliffs of Moher

Comments
The Wikipedia Cliffs of Moher content is appropriate for use in Wikivoyage. Re: the Cliffs of Moher being merged into Doolin, the Cliffs are the more prominent attraction by far, and by most objective assessments should supercede the Doolin content.

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Talk:Cliffs Shaft Mine Museum

vfd discussion

 * Delete since we don't write guides to attractions. See Project:What is an article?.  -- (WT-en) Sapphire 14:42, 14 September 2006 (EDT)
 * I've moved the content to Ishpeming and the old article is now a redirect. -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:58, 14 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Should we even bother vfding a redirect? -- (WT-en) Sapphire 15:07, 14 September 2006 (EDT)
 * In the past redirects for museums and other attractions have sometimes been deleted, and sometimes not. My opinion is that it doesn't really hurt to keep them around, and in this case it might help the original contributor in case they come back looking for their article. -- (WT-en) Ryan 16:05, 14 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Redirect ~ 203.144.143.6 05:55, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Clipperton Island

A "stupid" place to visit?
There has been language reverted from this article of the form "There is nothing on the island so 'travel' there would be stupid!". See Project:Tone, Project:Be fair and Project:Don't tout (specifically: give the traveller the information they need to decide on their own) for an understanding of why this language is being reverted - to briefly summarize, it's not the job of a travel guide to tell someone what they're going to think about a place, it's the job of a travel guide to provide an accurate description of a place so a traveler can decided if they want to visit, and will then have the information they need about that place if they do visit. It's fine to describe this island as remote, difficult to reach, and offering minimal services, but it's not OK to say that a visit there is a stupid idea - let the traveler make up his or her own mind. -- (WT-en) Ryan 21:25, 17 September 2006 (EDT)

 * Sorry, but I have to say after reading about it that Clipperton Island sounds like an awesome place to visit. --(WT-en) Evan 21:50, 17 September 2006 (EDT)

 * I'd be too scared shitless.--86.176.250.140 21:20, 27 December 2010 (EST)

Water
There`s no reason for stating that the water in the lagoon is fundamentally undrinkable. Obviously it is stagnant with a high degree of organic matter in it but the only times that it would be completely undrinkable is when the monsoon temporarily breaks up the halocine gradient and causes the surface water to become brackish. At all other times the water could be made potable by filtering with beach sand and cloth and solar sterilising the strained water in a normal clear PET plastic water bottle. It would obviously be preferable to bring one`s own supply owing to the inherent dangers of drinking bad-quality water.

The following bulletin quotes visitors who stated that the water was drinkable:- http://www.sil.si.edu/digitalcollections/atollresearchbulletin/issues/00094.pdf —The preceding comment was added by 221.113.209.78 (talk • contribs) 12:16, 1 January 2010

Get in
While trying to fix the dead link in the get in section, I came across this webpage (polynesie-francaise.pref.gouv.fr) which talks about entry requirements for the island, but my level of French doesn't extend this far so that I can understand it. The most important bit of the page, I think from what I can understand, is this: "Si tout individu ... désireux de se rendre sur l'île de Clipperton, hors activité mentionnée ci-dessus (recherches, pêche professionnelle ou pêche sportive), peut au préalable demander une autorisation pour occupation du domaine public de l'Etat ..., le Haut-Commissaire de la République en Polynésie française, ne délivre des autorisations de débarquement qu'aux seules expéditions scientifiques conduites par des chercheurs reconnus." I believe this is saying that unless you are going there for fishing or scientific research, you can get authorisation from some organisation of the state. Could someone with a better knowledge of French than me possibly check this page to see what it says, and whether our information on getting there is correct. Thanks.  Seagull123  Φ  12:39, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Where does this belong?
There is no way to navigate to this article since it is under Central_America but not listed there. It isn't exactly a major destination (no inhabitants and no scheduled connections). Should this at least go under French_Polynesia where is used to be administrated from? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:20, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

 * I'd say FP as what you say. It seems the most logical solution. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:09, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Cluj-Napoca

Language issues
I think a person with a better grasp of the English language than whoever wrote this should give the writing a once-over... Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:35, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

 * Did some. Pashley (talk) 00:40, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Uber and Bolt
Are they available and if they are, why are they not mentioned? Tlazar (talk) 23:32, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Cobden

inn -> in
oops! -- (WT-en) Mark 08:43, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Cobh

My visit to the Emigration Museum in Cobh was the first time I realized the outrage of the sinking of the Lusitania by Germany. Queenstown was the "first responder" to the Titanic tragedy, which was the largest sea disaster and loss of life to date. That was an accident.

Very soon thereafter, Queenstown residents were also the "first responders" to the Lusitania disaster, which was a deliberate act, cruelly calculated to murder hundreds of civilians, women and children included. No wonder it caused the Great War (WWI).

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Talk:Cochabamba

Removing photos
I suggest removing the photos of the aiplane and the airport. Both aren't really interresting for travellers.(WT-en) Ronald 14:54, 26 February 2006 (EST)

Yep, too many irrelevant photos here. I have removed a "typical tourist bus" (who cares?) and some chicken joint (they are all the same). --(WT-en) Mariusm98 17:53, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Cochabamba is the fourth largest city behind Santa Cruz, La Paz and El Alto.

http://www.ine.gov.bo/indice/visualizador.aspx?ah=PC20102.HTM (WT-en) Barrioflores 16:54, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

Self Promotion
I know it's hard to prove when a business owner is adding his or her own business, but at least try to make it look like it's not an ad. —The preceding comment was added by Barrioflores (talk • contribs)

 * Any time you see touting, please plunge forward and edit it out, or in really bothersome cases, feel free to delete listings.

 * Best,

 * Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:10, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Cochamó

I went this season to the valle cochamo in february. its truly a dream and hope it stays that way. the refugio is small and cozy and the care taker Daniel is very friendly. have fun and dont miss it if your going to chile or south to patagonia.

Cochamo Valley is my favorite place in Chile
I have been to many places in the world and this one tops my list. It's a natural wonder, a bit of muddy hike to get in but well worth it. The natural water slide, granite walls and the arch over the river were some of my favorites. Don't let the German couple at Camp Aventura lead you to believe that the trail is too treatuous and that the place floods every time it rains. Nice people but a little over exaggerated. Suerte from B.C., Canada.

Muddle
I am very confused by this article and Cochamó Valley. They seem to be the same? There are redirects going all over the place. Should the two be merged? --(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:26, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

VFD Discussion
Anyone familar with Chile? would Cochamó or Cochamó Valley make most sense to keep? --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 13:05, 25 December 2009 (EST)
 * Keep and merge the 2 articles. This question should probably be discussed on the article talk pages using merge tags, rather than here, as a VFD. A page under both article names can exist, even though the same article is served; that is what a redirect page is for. - (WT-en) Huttite 14:53, 12 January 2010 (EST)

Result: Merge template added for Cochamó Valley. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:48, 21 May 2010 (EDT)

merge Cochamó and Cochamó Valley?
These should not be merged. Cochamó is the village from where guides take tourists to Cochamó Valley, 5-6 hours away by horse, as mentioned in the existing description.

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Talk:Cochamó Valley

Muddle
See Talk:Cochamó --(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:28, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Cocoa Beach

Several items on this page duplicate what is in Cape Canaveral. Could someone who knows the area please clean it up? -- (WT-en) Wrh2 15:28, 17 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * Thanks to User:Amberlrapp for pointing out this problem again, fifteen years later. Can anyone help figure out which article these listings should be included in? —Granger (talk · contribs) 19:32, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, the duplicated listings are "Cocoa Beach Sportfishing Charters" and "A1A Beach Rentals". —Granger (talk · contribs) 19:34, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Removed. Ibaman (talk) 19:36, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Sorry about that, appreciate the feedback. —The preceding comment was added by Amberlrapp (talk • contribs)

title: Talk:Cocoa Beach


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Talk:Cocos (Keeling) Islands

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Cocos (Keeling) Islands/CIA World Factbook 2002 import. -- (WT-en) Huttite 21:34, 17 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Article name
It seems that the most common English name for these islands is "the Cocos Islands"; I'm going to move this article to that name. --(WT-en) Evan 00:12, 17 November 2006 (EST)

Use 24hr time here?
Since this island is more connected to Indonesia and Malaysia, I'm assuming they'll be using 24 hour time here. The official language here is Malay so I'm also assuming that they use 24 hour time here as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:11, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

"Malay dialect is similar to English"
What does that mean? Lots of borrow words, I guess, but still, I'd have to imagine that if you don't speak Malay, you won't be able to follow it. Could we please clarify the point? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:20, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * One month late, but well, Bahasa Melayu uses latin script, but I'll clarify it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:48, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Breadcrumb under Australia or Asia
Given that geographically this island is the southernmost point of Asia and is not part of Oceania, shouldn't we breadcrumb this under Asia? It's a similar reason why we breadcrumb Heard Island and McDonald Islands under Subantarctic islands, not Australia. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:04, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

 * The regular Australian visa requirements apply for the Cocos Islands, and it is only accessible by a flight from mainland Australia, so I'll say we should leave it under Australia for now. The dog2 (talk) 04:06, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

 * Agreed. We don't do everything strictly by geography. The Canary Islands are off the coast of Africa but are breadcrumbed to Spain. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:50, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * True. But then American Samoa is breadcrumbed to Polynesia. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:01, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * American Samoa is exceedingly far from the nearest U.S. state. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * True. Maybe American Samoa was a bad example, but again, it's also same with Macquarie Island or the New Zealand Subantarctic Islands, (not breadcrumbed under Tasmania nor NZ respectively). For comparison, CKI is about 2700 km from the mainland and the Mac Island or the New Zealand Subantarctic Islands is roughly 1,500 km off Tasmania. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:41, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The Canary Islands are also around fifteen hundred kilometres from mainland Spain too. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:44, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * But they're not breadcrumbed to a different continent, are they? I think breadcrumbing these islands to Asia would confuse the issue. Consider that Indonesia is not part of mainland Asia, too. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:47, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, that would pose an issue too as whether Indonesia is part of Asia or Oceania is a matter of who you ask which is already a problem with some of our Eastern Indonesian article breadcrumbs. Yeah I now agree we should leave it as it is. It just seemed strange to me that we're breadcrumbing the southernmost point of Asia into Oceania, but that's a relatively minor issue. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:50, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd be open to breadcrumbing it to Islands of the Indian Ocean, but that's an extraregion, and only the British Indian Ocean Territory seems to be breadcrumbed to it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:02, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd much rather here than there. I think the only reason why the BIOT is breadcrumbed under there is because it's more a questionable mix of whether it's part of South Asia or not. However, Category:Subantarctic islands seems to have five articles breadcrumbed underneath it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Banner
Title. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:11, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The proposed replacement is not big enough. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:51, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Have added four more banners. The biggest issue is that nearly all the photos available on Commons was taken by a certain flickr user so most of the sizes are small and don't meet our requirements. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:14, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Added two more. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:21, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * All of the proposed replacements are too small. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Not banner six though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:30, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * You're right. Poor quality, though, maybe marginally superior to the existing banner, but it would be great if it could be desaturated and de-noised. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:33, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Interestingly, when you preview the page with these banners, there doesn't seem to be much quality issues, but I do agree that it's too small. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:52, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:39, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

title: Talk:Cocos (Keeling) Islands


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Talk:Coimbatore

Can i ahve the name of any lakme salon in cbe?

Learn
Actually, I think major universities are fine to mention in the Learn section, exchange students are common subtype of "traveller". Listing primary schools is a little excessive though. (WT-en) Jpatokal 14:33, 9 Sep 2005 (EDT)

 * Fair enough (WT-en) Ravikiran 14:42, 9 Sep 2005 (EDT)

introduction of private buses in coimbatore
Coimbatore is the largest city in the state supporting private bus transportation around the residential suburbs. Chennai and Madurai offer only government buses in such routes. hence one can find a well sophisticated local tranportation streams in the city of textiles. Starting from the routes 2 3 8A s1 and so on, most of the Coimbatoreans prefer such private buses for convenient and reliable journey across the city.

Edit war & Site protection
Mates, there is an edit war about the Coimbatore article and there is also a discussion on Project:User_ban_nominations about the approach. How to approach the unwanted edits by anonymous users? The article was protected three times in the last week and it obviously does not work because as soon as the protection is lifted it starts again. (WT-en) jan 06:14, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

 * It would be extremely helpful if the protection expiration time was not visible to the spammers... --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:33, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
 * I think Coimbatore is on the way to a new record! Today we have the 12. block of this page in October 2009. I'm amazed with the endurance of the spammer but how about a semi block, so that anonymous user can't insert any more? (WT-en) jan 09:34, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
 * The current block is anon only. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:53, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Good to know! Is this anywhere visible or is it standard?(WT-en) jan 11:57, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Special:Protectedpages. It's one of only five pages in the main space with protection.   - (WT-en) Dguillaime 14:31, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

title: Talk:Coimbatore


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Talk:Colchester

As with a lot of other places, there is no longer a Woolworth's! —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 81.145.147.111 (talk • contribs)

 * So plunge forward and remove it! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:39, 11 August 2009 (EDT)

The term "chester" actually means camp, not town. The camps became towns, but that is not what it means. (WT-en) MisterAdam

title: Talk:Colchester


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Talk:Cold Spring

removed External Links section: see Where did the "External links" sections go?' (WT-en) SHC 22:49, 17 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Cold Spring Garrison Area Chamber of Commerce, +1 845 265-3200.
 * Cold Spring Merchants Association sponsors local events.

title: Talk:Cold Spring


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Talk:Colletto Fava

Does anyone know Piedmont well enough to get this article up to guide, this is a destination I'd really like to see featured as OtBP!! --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 16:25, 10 December 2009 (EST)

 * I'm wondering whether this destination merits its own article - it's a giant statue-like rabbit on a hill, right? If it doesn't merit an article then it should probably be merged into Piedmont as a "See" listing. Thoughts? -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:52, 16 January 2012 (EST)

 * I would agree that it should be merged into an article about whichever locality is closest, but it sure is a fun article! (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 16:32, 16 January 2012 (EST)

title: Talk:Colletto Fava