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Talk:Interstate 4

Critique
Since this is being posited as a model for a whole series of articles, I'm not going to pull any punches. In general, my problem with this article as it is written is that I think this is way more information than we need—in some parts not travel relevant, in others content duplication, and in others still by stating the obvious.

1) Format — the "Route" section is basically how I think this article should look. The regions/cities lists at the top should be worked into it, since this is not a region article. In other words, I think you should divide the Route section up by Wikivoyage region (if you intend to mention them at all), and include the cities only there.

2) Talk — we don't use talk sections even for region articles, because they are redundant unless that particular region differs in language from its parent region.

3) Understand — actually, I don't have much of a problem with how this is written (because it is short), but I think the section is potentially a magnet for uninteresting encyclopedic information.

4) Get around — the whole section should go. The information is a) not specific to this itinerary, and/or b) too obvious to need stating.

5) Map — doesn't accomplish much of anything. If it doesn't show the linked destinations, and doesn't label the connecting roads, then I don't think it's worth including.

6) Route — is this listing every exit? If so, it shouldn't—we only need to highlight interesting detours, right? Either way, it's very rough on the eyes right now. I'd advise using the name of the town or notable attraction as the bullet header, and only mentioning the exit number within the item description.

7) See & Do — section should go as well, as it duplicates content that belongs in our destination guides. I don't see a reason to add listings to this article, as one liner-style bullets to linked destinations should suffice.

8) Eat — ditto. If there's a famous OtBP restaurant that needs calling out, do it in the one-liner description for that exit under "Route."

9) Stay safe — most all this information is not particular to this route, as it constitutes general rules of driving. I can imagine routes that might have unique stay safe information (like this one ), but I don't think that any of the major US highways would.

10) Get out — also seems unnecessary for an itinerary. It looks just tacked on from the region article template and isn't serving any real useful function.

So in summary, I mostly think this should be pared down to essentials, and for a reasonably short route as this, should be quite a short article. Especially since we want to avoid content duplication. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:47, 7 December 2008 (EST) _______________________________________________________________________________

Thanks for your critique. Here's my thoughts in general and what I have/will do to improve this article.:

 * 1) That's what I had in mind reflecting on this article, but I wanted to wait for feedback first.

 * 2) Deleted.

 * 3) Ok, I am leaving for the moment being. Added traffic laws.

 * 4) Deleted...but I moved some traffic laws into Understand—but only non-obvious ones.

 * 5) Well, learning to make maps is something on my to-do list. I found this map on Wikipedia and imported it from Wikimedia Commons. The article need a basic map. I agree that this one is not good, but it was the best I could find for temporary use. If we decide to go ahead with such an expedition, I think it would be great to create a template(another subject I need to learn about) in the upper-right corner, like the quickboxes on country articles, which includes:
 * Logo in place of a picture at top
 * Map
 * A section corresponding to quick facts including: length, major cities (no more than 5-6 on the longest of routes), junctions with primary(1 or 2 digit) interstates, termini, and maybe states it passes through.

 * 6) No this is not listing every exit. I attempted to only highlight exits of:
 * Major towns
 * ie. Exits 19-22—Plant City
 * Major junctions, including where they head
 * ie. Exit 7—Interstate 75 provides access north to Ocala, Georgia, continuing northward to Michigan; south to Sarasota, Naples, and Fort Lauderdale
 * Attractions or interesting things
 * ie. Exit 44-Fantasy of Flight

 * 7 & 8) I'll get around to merging these things into the routes section soon. However, I disagree (to some extent) on how much should be described. In the Intention Statement on the Routes Expedition talk page, I noted that I intended not to replicate regional guides, but that the purpose of creating route articles is convenience for the traveller by road. Since two goals of Wikivoyage are for off-line use and individual article printouts, I think that more than one sentence should be used to describe what can be found off of the route...otherwise these planned route articles will be little more than a list and the traveller on these roads may have to print numerous articles. Think of a drive along I-10 between Houston and LA, the traveller would need to print articles for:
 * Texas, Gulf Coast (Texas), North Barrier Coast, Houston, South Texas Plains, San Antonio, Hill Country, River Region, West (Hill Country), Big Bend Country, Permian Basin, Trans-Pecos, El Paso, Southwest New Mexico, Eastern Arizona, Southeast Arizona, South Central Arizona, Tucson, Greater Phoenix, Phoenix, Western Arizona, California, Desert (California), Mojave Desert, Southern California, Riverside County, Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, West Side (Los Angeles County), etc. These are just regions and major cities...there are many minor cities along this segment of highway.

Of course, we will link to town & region articles, but that shouldn't mean that no or only a couple points are mentioned in the article. My point is that there should be sufficient information so when a traveller decides to take a rest or is just looking for 2-3 places to stop on their journey, they won't have to plan well in advance or refer to numerous articles. Do you understand my point?

 * 9) I see your point, it has been deleted from this article, but if a section is particularly prone to something, then maybe we could mention it within the route section.

 * 10) I've deleted it for this article. (WT-en) AHeneen 21:54, 7 December 2008 (EST)

Round 2
I think it's looking much better. Some more thoughts:

1) Route — is tough on the eyes. Ideas:
 * a) per 7+2, we try to avoid any lists greater than nine, as possible. Right now we have 23 listings in a row. Could we try breaking it into sections? Perhaps sections of listings between major stops on the road? I'm sure you have a better handle than I do, but I'd guess Disney World and Orlando would be good dividing points. Ideally we'd group this into a group of 7, 8, & 8, but it's not a good idea to force that.
 * b) follow the format of other 1 liner lists. (In particular, bolded exits and spaces around the mdashes would look much better.)
 * c) add a couple pictures of especially interesting stops to break up the text.

2) Back to See & Do, and Eat — I'm warming to these sections. I still think attractions (see listings) categorically belong in the route section in the exit descriptions.
 * a)But the time-specific events would clutter the route section unnecessarily. I'd prefer to see those in a separate Do section (or even perhaps removed altogether, since they are of only marginal importance to the average traveler).
 * b)I think buy listings should be kept to a bare minimum, and included in the route section. I'd imagine the shopping destinations of note would be only major outlet strips and perhaps small towns especially notable for folk art or wineries.
 * c)The more I think of it, I like your Eat section. Knowing that an exit has an immediate strip full of great cheap ethnic food would be marvelous on a long car ride. The one big danger is that this list could grow chaotically as users add their favorite restaurants. We'd have to have strict rules limiting what to include (especially unique and famous restaurants as well as major dining strips are what I think belong here). Maybe a hard limit of nine listings, changeable only via discussion on the talk page, would be a useful rule as well.

I'm warming to this project generally as this article develops. I can see how it could be very useful to print out this type of article for a long interstate drive. I am still rather cold to the understand section, though, especially the traffic laws subsection. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:29, 10 December 2008 (EST)

 * I'm glad you're warming to the idea of this project. I have merged the "route, see/do, & eat sections", chopped down the understand section and moved it into the opening paragraph, divided the route into sections, formatted the exits and mdash, and added a template to the top (which still should be tweaked, see below). I have left the festivals for the moment being...there may only be a couple, but this is an example article for routes and I think for longer routes (I-10, 95, 80, 40, etc), listing some seasonal festivals could aid the traveler by alerting them to interesting opportunities if they are on the road at that time and maybe help them in deciding when to make the trip. I put a "notable districts" section(which I started and will finish later) as a way of listing certain areas known for something...such as shopping, entertainment districts, and ethnic enclaves. I think this will be a way to avoid exponential growth of eat listings and highlight areas where the traveler may wish to take a break for a little while or book a hotel and spend the evening. (WT-en) AHeneen 10:35, 11 December 2008 (EST)

 * I like the way this article is coming together. I think it summarizes the exits pretty well and the Route section looks much better with the headings. My only concern is using counties as a way to divide the highway into sections. I'm not familiar with them at all so when I looked for Orlando exits (the biggest city I know on the route and the reason I'm guessing most people would be on it), it took me a couple of minutes to realize it was in the Orange County section. I see the existing section headers tie in with other articles, which is nice, but I think the Route section might make more sense to a traveller if it was broken down by major destinations -- something like Tampa, Tampa to Orlando, Orlando, Orlando to Daytona Beach. Then again, I live in an area that doesn't have counties at all, so if it's common to know them, I'll take it all back. :) (WT-en) Shaund 00:49, 12 December 2008 (EST)

 * If counties are the region scheme in place in that area I think it's fine to use them (although I hate using counties as regions in the first place). I still think this highway article only works the way it does because it's only 132 miles long, and hence does not make a good case for starting other articles on highways, but that is a discussion for the expedition page. (WT-en) Texugo 01:19, 12 December 2008 (EST)

 * Read first sentence under East Central Florida: "Interstate 4 serves as the primary artery for traffic in the Orlando area, which begins at US 27 (exit 55) and continues through US 17/92 (exit 104)." Also: "Exits 82C-85 — Orlando's Central Business District" I also described Tampa under West Central Florida: "Interstate 4 begins at "Malfunction Junction" (with Interstate 275) on the northwest corner of Tampa's Central Business District. Interstate 4 between Tampa and Interstate 75 passes through urban areas." Even though I have not made a complete list of exits, there are a lot of important ones and so to keep with the 7±2, I needed to break the region down further than just E & W Central FL and in this region, all the counties are articles. If I clumped "Orlando" exits together, there would be more than 9. I do see you point though. (WT-en) AHeneen 05:42, 12 December 2008 (EST)

 * I have went ahead and changed the headers as per Shaund's request. If it looks worse, it can always be undone. (WT-en) AHeneen 05:53, 12 December 2008 (EST)

 * I definitely like the current organizational scheme better than the by county version. If a section exceeds 9 exits, that's not such a problem—since we shouldn't try to force things—but it's probably an indication that we could cut back on the number of exits listed. I also think we can do away entirely with the east central florida and west central florida headers and descriptions—they strike me as clutter, and I would skip over them when reading if I were using this guide. I definitely think less is more in this type of article (especially since we'd be applying this "template" to far longer routes). I'm going to try and cut out what I wouldn't be interested in in the article. Please feel free to undo whatever changes strike you as too much, and we'll discuss further. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:32, 13 December 2008 (EST)

 * In looking further at the article, a few more ideas come to mind. 1) We should avoid as much as possible listing exits for obvious destinations. I'm on the fence regarding really important exits like Disney World, which seem as though they should be included in any guide, but then again, travelers won't need a guide to find them. But most junction exits, and exits leading to relatively uninteresting towns, I think, should not be listed. If someone is going there, they'll know that ahead of time. 2) I don't see anything in the "Notable Districts" section that couldn't be merged into the route section. That would help reduce redundancies like that for Ybor City (which looks like a fantastic destination, by the way—definitely a cause to stop by Tampa next time I'm down there). 3) I think we should avoid listing nightlife destinations that are focused on big shows, since travelers would presumably need to have bought tickets in advance. Moreover, if you're traveling, it rarely will make sense to stop for nightlife, because it will impede your further travels in a way that stopping for a sight or food would not. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:48, 13 December 2008 (EST)

 * Well I disagree with a few of the exits you cut out of the article, but I won't change it back for now (except for the Orlando CBD, which should be noted). The idea I had in mind for the article was more or less a guide. I think a map is needed for the traveler, because a guide should have a map. If not, then why does Wikivoyage have city maps? I decided to make the notable districts section to highlight a few places...as in ethnic areas, shopping (which I started but never finished), and entertainment districts. Entertainment districts aren't just nightlife...they are places where shopping, food, and entertainment mix (and most shows sell tickets at the door), they are as great in the day as well as night. I think trying to fit these areas into the route would either make for a long entry (and clutter the route section) or they would get lost in the route section. Making a separate section highlight them. This freeway is only 132 miles long...most are several hundred miles long and could potentially have 50-100+ listings (or else it could be made into segments like districts of huge city articles). Anyways, I think there are many travelers keen to shopping or ethnic areas, so highlighting them makes things easy for the traveler. Other subjects besides shopping, entertainment, and ethnic areas that could work well with outer routes are: history, antiques, nature, etc. (WT-en) AHeneen 20:22, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Template
I have created a preliminary template for this article. Just like countries have a quickbox, I think such a template would be helpful to the user. It needs a map like the interstate sign so that it blends with the background. I have tried following the directions for mapmaking, but am still confused/unable to make a map...so if someone could do that, it would be great. Also, I am a novice at making tables (I spent about 40 minutes learning how to resize the box, change colors, chnge font, etc.)...so don't be harsh with that, I know the formatting of it does need to be tweaked some. The important thing is content. (WT-en) AHeneen 02:53, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * Content-wise, I think the template looks good. Perhaps some approximate travel times would be useful? It can be a bit variable depending on stops, but I find them quite handy when I'm planning a trip.
 * I'm pretty busy right now, but if you don't have any luck with the map, I could probably do one in January. (WT-en) Shaund 00:56, 12 December 2008 (EST)

 * Travel times would be useful, although they might be better placed directly under the subheadings in the route section. The facts look useful to me, but I'd get rid of both the shield and map. The shield is of no relevance to travel—if someone wants to know what it looks like, they can just get on the highway and see for themselves. The map is relevant, but it will make formatting easier to keep it out of the template, especially since different routes will have different needs regarding map size and shape.

 * The other content I'd suggest removing would be states & cities, since those should be obvious from a rudimentary map. But of course, we don't have one yet ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:54, 13 December 2008 (EST)

 * I know I'm dredging up an old conversation here, but I am starting to take a greater interest in this expedition. I think the highway shield is quite useful; it serves the same purpose here as it does on the highway: as a quick and easily recognizable identification of the route.  Of course it should be optional, as in some cases the marker will be copyrighted or not available, but in cases where we have it, it can be useful to the traveler who doesn't know what sign to look for.
 * As for the map, I see the point but they're all going to be rectangular, aren't they? The template could be configured to allow a number of configurations, if that's a concern.  And the lists of states and cities are useful for visually-impaired users who can't see the map.  (WT-en) LtPowers 08:59, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Interstate 76 (East)

Is this really an article?
(WT-en) Jpatokal 02:26, 10 September 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Inuktitut phrasebook

Flavors of Inuit
I understand that there are umpteen dialects, but how many different Inuit phrasebooks will we need? There's already a (skeleton) Greenlandic phrasebook for the Greenlandic variety. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:27, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Inuyama

Fairness
I wrote this:

Minshuku Yayoi is on a side street close to the station. It has a rather small capacity, though, and the staff can be less than helpful. Rooms are ¥6000 per person, and meals are available.

I'd like someone else's opinion as to whether that's unfair (in accordance with Wikivoyage's policy on fairness). It was my personal experience that the staff were quite unpleasant, actually. (They don't speak a word of English either. That shouldn't be held against them, since it's in Japan, but they were equally unreceptive in Japanese, and tried to shoo me out of there as quickly and brusquely as possible.)

 * If it happened, then you're being fair (and almost too polite). Wikivoyage policy is to avoid negative reviews if there are a lot to choose from, but for Inuyama this obviously isn't the case. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:23, 19 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Thanks! (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 03:58, 20 October 2006 (EDT)

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I have edited the Talk section to make it clear that the paragraph's discussion on dialects refers to the English language (The main language for New Zealand). It should be pointed out that there are several Maori dialects in New Zealand. (10/Jun/2010) —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 202.180.91.108 (talk • contribs)

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Talk:Inyo County

Potential copyvio
I sent the following email to the address listed on the theothersideofcalifornia.com website:

Hello,

Someone using the login of "Jon Klusmire" copied a significant amount of content from your site to wikivoyage.org earlier this month. While it would be great to use this information on Wikivoyage, theothersideofcalifornia.com does not indicate that text can be freely copied. Wikivoyage requires that all the content used on the site is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 license, which means that content on Wikivoyage:

 * Can be distributed by others, as long as you are credited as the author
 * May be further edited by other contributors

If you could reply indicating that it is OK to use your content under the terms of the CC-SA license, or (even better), if "Jon Klusmire" works for you, if you could get him to login to Wikivoyage and place a note on the http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Inyo_County page indicating that content from theothersideofcalifornia.com can be re-used under the CC-SA license it would be appreciated. If permission is not granted to re-use your content then it will be deleted from Wikivoyage in accordance with copyright law.

Thank you!

Ryan Holliday Wikivoyage administrator

-- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 02:44, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

 * Since much of the text in this article, and several others for Inyo County towns, appeared to have been taken from other sites I've deleted significant chunks. If at a later time the authors of that text indicate that it can be used on Wikivoyage under the terms of the CC-SA license then it can be restored, but please ensure that such permission is explicitly given and mentioned on this talk page before doing so. -- (WT-en) wrh2 20:17, 30 September 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Ios

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Comments
Lol! why does this island, of all articles on this site, not have a proper drink session - hilarious :-) been a while since I was there, but someone please, please! plunge forward :-)

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Talk:Iowa

Comments
I was shocked to see this page. I found several comments that were enforcing the stereotype of farmers in Iowa, and had very little on the urban areas. Urban areas, such as Des Moines, are VERY different from the more rural parts of the state. I also found things that were just outright wrong, which I changed.

- (WT-en) victor2000 16:40, 15 June 2006 (EDT)

Regions
I'm not sure that Iowa needs to be broken into seven regions. Three is probably a better option. This map breaks it into Western, Central, and Eastern. Any better ideas, suggestions? -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 20:15, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

 * I'm actually leaning the opposite direction: toward creating a few more regions, based on the Iowa tourism dept map. Not just because the local tourism people do it that way, but also because it might make it unnecessary to subdivide Iowa's regions.  At any level below this, about the only obvious way to divide a region is by county, which creates disambiguation trainwrecks (how many "Jackson County"s are there in the US?) and often makes little sense from a travel perspective. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:28, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

 * There needs to be an "Eastern Iowa" region. It's a very common phrase within Iowa. When Iowans think of "Eastern Iowa", they think of Iowa City, Cedar Rapids, and the Quad Cities. These three are lacking a region because they rightly belong in "Eastern Iowa". From what I can tell, 2 regions have websites--Central Iowa and Eastern Iowa (www.easterniowatourism.org).
 * Consider the number of google hits on each of 11 possible regions:
 * "Northwest Iowa" - 253,000
 * "North Central Iowa" - 94,800
 * "Northeast Iowa" - 269,000
 * "Northern Iowa" (-University of) - 481,000
 * "Western Iowa" - 462,000
 * "Central Iowa" - 901,000
 * "Eastern Iowa" - 571,000
 * "Southern Iowa" - 170,000
 * "Southwest Iowa" - 185,000
 * "South Central Iowa" - 46,000
 * "Southeast Iowa" - 143,000
 * Taking this into account, and drawing from my personal knowledge of the state, I would suggest: Northwest, Western, Southwest, Central, Northeast, Eastern, and Southeast. (WT-en) Tygartl1 23:03, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

Hopefully we can get this discussion restarted. The regions in the article right now are very ill-defined, so I based the draft map to the right on this discussion, the little info available in the articles, this tourism map, and a fair amount of guessing. Are these reasonable regions, with reasonable borders? Can't say I have ever been to the state, so my guesses are bound to be a bit off! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:14, 15 May 2009 (EDT)

 * Well despite my best efforts, the internet seems uninterested in this task, so I'll just go forward and implement this new hierarchy, since it at least satisfies me! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:39, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
 * It would be handy for me if we could get a list of which counties are in which regions. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:49, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Cities/Towns
I cut the list down from 13 to 9, in accordance with usual policy. Ankeny, Bettendorf, Britt, and Fairfield seemed like the most sensible ones to drop. (WT-en) Dguillaime 22:41, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Glitch?
I don't know if this is just my computer or what, but the Lewis and Clark Trail is linking to Lewis in Scotland when I click it, but it is not listed as a redirect... (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 18:09, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

 * It's the ampersand. It should be Lewis and Clark and not Lewis & Clark. I will change.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:35, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

Future rail service from Chicago
Amtrak has long planned to resurrect the Black Hawk route from Chicago to Dubuque, and to create the Quad Cities Rocket line from Chicago to Moline, Illinois in the Quad Cities, with the possibility of extending that later to Iowa City and perhaps eventually to Des Moines. However, these plans were derailed by the State of Illinois in 2015, and it's not clear when, if ever, they'll be revived, so there's probably no point in mentioning it now. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:16, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Iowa City

If there's another Iowa City in the world, this one is definitely the most famous. So I took off the disambiguator. --(WT-en) Evan 08:06, 19 Jan 2005 (EST)

Another page banner
I don't much like the current page banner, as it only shows the top of the Old Capitol building, although the colors are cheerful and appealing. I find the new suggestion would be an improvement. Any preferences? --Danapit (talk) 11:40, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

 * I have to say I like the old one more. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:01, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

 * Please forgive me, but I find both pagebanners kind of jarring. They're neither views a person would see from the street nor views looking across town from some skyscraper. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:19, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

 * I have to agree. Neither are framed very well — they both seem to leave out important parts of their subject. Texugo (talk) 20:41, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

 * The new banner actually was quite representative for my Iowa city memories. But that doesn't mean everyone would see it like that. No problem, let's seek further :) Danapit (talk) 06:07, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

 * I respect that, Dana. I've never been there, so your views on what images represent Iowa City carry much more weight than my reaction to them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:15, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Ipoh

Food list
First, I applaud, acclaim, appreciate someone has taken the time and effort to put in the information at the Food section.

I am not an Ipoh native and every time I visit the area I am at the mercy of my relatives, who fortunately know the rule of ‘where to get the best and tasty food’, to chauffer me around in order to gratify our taste buds. Having done this on my numerous visits during the last 13 years, I do agree that you either need a genuine native with a hefty good gastronomic aptitude to seek out places that serve good food, or the alternative is to go by the word of mouth, or to go by the common instinct “if you see the place is crowded then it got to be serving good food”. With the advent of the Web and armed with the information on this page, one can be empowered with a virtual cuisine guidance. This is close to, if not better, than having a local native (who may sometimes be a bit bias) to beat the tracks with you.

Although I have not visited and sampled the food at each place mentioned, I believe they are truthful, genuine and to the best knowledge of the writer(s) as well as the consensus of locals who have a palate for good food. To top up this information, I would appreciate more details, like the exact address listing (No. xxx on Jalan X), or descriptions like “located between Jalan X and Jalan Y, a few doors down from store A, just opposite of B” to enable us to precisely pinpoint those places (especially for occasional visitors). Perhaps it would also be helpful if one could supplement the Chinese characters immediately following the food item or a picture alongside with it to give the dish a more appealing appearance. I would encourage anyone to make these improvements so that this page would be more delightful and delicious to the WikiTravel/Wikipedia World.

Thanks, Felix (felixchoy@msn.com)

PS: I welcome comments and feedbacks

The list

 * Ipoh bean sprouts chicken"芽菜雞", which consists of chicken meat, assorted chicken innards and bean sprouts boiled in hard water and served with soy sauce and sesame oil. Ipoh's bean sprouts are very fat, short and tastier than those produced outside Ipoh; thus, Ipoh's beansprouts also receive orders from other states. Famous bean sprout chicken noodles include Onn Kee （安記芽菜雞沙河粉）and Lou Wong (老黃芽菜雞沙河粉） Restaurants, both of which are located at the junctions of Yau Tet Shin Street 姚德勝街 and Osbourne Street.

 * Ipoh Sar Hor Fun"怡保沙河粉", which are rice flat noodles prepared in hard water and served in clear chicken and prawn soup with chicken shreds, prawns and spring onions. Famous sar hor fun purveyors include Thean Chun and Kong Heng Restaurants, located along Leech Street 列治街 in the Old Town. Other popular food choices include chicken and pork intestines satay, curry pork skin chee cheong fun, popiah and their custard! Custards are usually sold out around 3pm weekdays and noon on Saturdays and Sundays.

 * Salted chicken or Yim Kok Kai 盐锔鸡. This is a must try when you are in Ipoh. The chicken is baked in salt in such a way that the skin and meat is so delicious that you will finish it all. Whole chickens are wrapped in "oil paper" and then baked in large woks filled with heated salt. The restaurant that sells salted chicken is Aun Kheng Lim Restaurant, located at Theatre Street, opposite Martell house or near Bak Gong restaurant in the city centre. It is so popular that you must call to order before you drop in. Tel: 05-254 2998.

 * Ipoh White Coffee, which are coffee beans specially roasted (with palm-oil margarine). Its colour is similar to that of cappuccino when served with milk. The best can be found in the few coffee shops located opposite the Kinta Heights flats in Ipoh's old town such as:
 * Nam Heong Restaurant (Distributor of "3 in 1 Ipoh Old Town White Coffee")
 * Xin Yun Loong restaurant (Open mornings and afternoons only)
 * Xin Yuan Hoong and Xin Yuan Foong (All open mornings and afternoons only).
 * The aroma, taste & texture of the original thing is definitely superior compared to the commercially-packed sachets or the Ipoh White Coffee sold elsewhere. These coffee shops are likely to be crowded during teatime, especially on weekends. Food-wise, you can get fried noodles/vermicelli, satay, congee, kuih, etc. at these coffee shops. Also order tasty toasted bread with kaya (coconut jam) and butter to complement a good cup of white coffee (known as a "Yin-Yang" toast). Nowadays you can get a good cup of white coffee in coffee shops around Ipoh city.

 * Pomelo“柚”. Perak's most famous fruit, a large juicy citrus fruit. The best pomelos are reputed to be from Tambun, about 10 minutes drive east of Ipoh. There are stalls selling pomelos in front of the Sam Po Tong temple.

Besides these signature dishes, Ipoh is also known to have some of the best of Malaysian cuisine like:

Chinese Food

 * Hor Hee noodles 河熹粉. Those who come to Ipoh should try this local food other than bean sprouts chicken. This is a very delicious kuey teow noodles with fish balls, fish pastes and hand made fish wan tan. The most famous stalls selling Hor Hee include those located in Li Heng Fatt restaurant at Jalan Panglima, Old Town area (open from 3pm to 10pm). Food sell in this stall are all home made and couldn't find it elsewhere. This stall just moved from Heng Fong restaurant (just a few doors away).Another famous stall located at the "Gao Peng" restaurant at Chamberlain Road in Ipoh New Town (again, night only). Both these stalls have been run business for more than 30 years in Ipoh.

 * Dim sum“点心”(fish balls, fried items, dumplings, buns, served in small quantities). Foh San(富山) restaurant, located nearby the tauge ayam outlets, is a famous dim sum restaurant. Yuk Fook Moon Lau(玉福满楼） (open in the morning and also at night), located behind Excelsior Hotel, sells excellent dim sum too. Ming Kok （明阁）, which is just opposite, is the best dim sum restaurant in Ipoh. Also try out or take away the Cha Siew Bao", Chinese pork pao (bun) sold in Yuk Fook Moon Lau''. Be warned: Go there early in the morning, around 6am-7am, because it is quite difficult to get a table at a later time.

 * Chinese restaurants which serve excellent seafood and meat. The famous ones among Ipoh natives are Overseas（海外天） restaurant opposite Excelsior hotel, Mun Zhong （民众） restaurant in Jalan Pasir Puteh, Pusing Public Seafood Restaurant （布先民众海鮮酒家）on Jalan Verasamy, “Tung Hoi （东海） restaurant in Menglembu & Ipoh Garden South, and "Rainbow (天虹） restaurant in Menglembu. Two restaurants that serve very good Nyonya (Straits Chinese) cuisine are Yum Yum restaurant at Persiaran Greenhill near Excelsior hotel and Assam House restaurant near Jalan Yang Kalsom.

 * Chow hor fun炒河粉 or Kueh teow basah are rice noodles fried in such a way that it is a little wet with dark gravy (as opposed to the Penang char kueh teow which has no gravy but is fried with egg, prawns or cockles and the Cantonese-style wat tan hor 滑蛋河, which is completely immersed in clear, egg gravy). You can get chow hor fun in all Chinese restaurants in Ipoh. The best chow hor fun can be found at a street stall in the Mengelembu town area and one restaurant near Xin Hup Zi (originating from Buntong; only open at night).

 * Hakka noodles客家麵. A few restaurants around the city sell delicious Hakka noodles with yong tau foo. The most popular Hakka noodles are offered by Yin Yau Kui at Hugh Low Street (Jalan Iskandar). This shop specialises in noodles rather than yong tau foo. Another lesser known favourite, known to local old-timers is located at Majestic Food Centre at Osbourne Street (Jalan Tahwil Azar). This stall offers much better yong tau foo compared to Yin Yau Kui but Yin Yau Kui's noodles are superior. There is one near the Mun Zhong restaurant in Jalan Pasir Puteh and one in a food court behind the Olympia College or Jalan Yang Kalsom (both open mornings only).

 * Curry noodle 咖喱麵. In old town Ipoh, Sin Seng Fatt （新成发）, which is located near Kong Heng restaurant in Market Street, sells very delicious curry noodles. The curry paste of the curry noodle is so good that it's packed and sent to franchises in Hong Kong. They have a franchise at SS2, Petaling Jaya, Selangor. (open mornings and afternoons only). Another famous shop known to the locals is Sin Chuan Fatt (新泉發) on Jalan Pasir Puteh, which is known for its very spicy and thick curry paste, fried chicken and pork to go with the noodles. Another famous restaurant facing the roundabout beside MGS secondary school (open mornings and afternoons only) and a coffee shop called Sin Chuan Fong （新泉芳） on Hugh Low Street.

 * Claypot Chicken Rice 瓦褒鸡饭. This is a hot and delicious. Ipoh's famous exponent of this dish is located in the Bercham village area, at Lorong Bercham 4, opposite the Old Bercham wet market (open only at night).

 * Chinese-style Satay 沙爹. This is skewered meat seasoned and flavored with spices and served with cucumbers, onions and a chunky peanut sauce. Please note that the Chinese-style of satay (compared to other satay) contains pork and is thus unsuitable for Muslim tourists. The preferred stall is in Thean Chun Restaurant, Ipoh old town (open mornings and afternoons).

 * Chu Cheong Fun noodles 猪肠粉. This is a white noodles dish with sauce only. The most famous stall selling Chu Cheong Fun is the one located in Weng Kat Fong (永吉坊） restaurant in Menglembu Town (open only afternoon). Its' famous sauce is mushroom sauce that you can find only in Ipoh (The most delicious in Ipoh), and thick curry sauce. Chu Cheong Fun noodles dish in Ipoh don't have sweet prawn sauce like in Penang and KL. You can order a plain Chu Cheong Fun noodle with sesame and soya sauce also. The "Ham Jim Beng" 咸煎饼， prawn cracker 虾饼, and pandan fried chicken are the best in town and must try. The nasi lemak dishes is also a favourite. Go there early as there is limited table in restaurant or take away.

 * Tau Fu Fah (豆腐花), or soybean curd. It is claimed that Ipoh or Kinta Valley water makes this drink tasty. This drink is good for the body after travelling on a very hot day. The soya bean is fresh, sweet and smooth. Once you are drinking this soya bean curd, you can feel the smoothness and freshness of the soya bean smoothing down through your throat. It is served steaming hot with pandan syrup. The stall named Kei Foong, or Funny Mountain in English, is located at Osbourne Street (Jalan Tahwil Azar), near Restaurant Foh San. It has a drive-in delivery service. Also try the following delicious varieties:
 * soymilk only
 * soymilk mixed with cincau
 * soybean curd with soymilk.
 * The Funny Mountain shop is open from 10.00am to 7.30pm. Tau Fu Fah and its variants can also be found in stalls by the roadside in various places.

 * Tong Sui (糖水), sweet dessert drink that will definitely refresh your body on a hot day. The most famous, located at what locals call "Tong Sui Kai" (糖水街) or Desert Drinks Street, is opposite Sam Tet Primary School (noon till late night). The most popular tong sui at this place would be black sesame (芝麻糊), mo mo cha cha and red bean (红豆沙). Also recommended is one located at Restaurant Cha Yong, behind Pizza Hut in Ipoh Garden South. Another few stalls are located in the Ipoh Stadium's food court and in a food court near the former Ocean (now The Store) supermarket.

Malay/Indian Food

 * Laksa Perak 叻沙. This is a noodle dish which is similar to Penang's famous Asam Laksa but with a different taste. Laksa in Ipoh tastes a bit sour and spicy but not as sweet as Penang's Laksa. The ingredients of the noodle soup include prawn paste. There is one very good Laksa stall in Farlim, Ipoh (opposite the Setapak driving institute, on the way to Mengelembu from Ipoh; open Sunday afternoons only). The other one would be the Laksa stall in Kong Heng Restaurant.

 * Banana Leaf Rice. A common Southern Indian meal that includes a variety of meat curries, vegetables and poppadoms, it is great to have at Samy Restaurant in Chemor and Chuan Fong (泉芳) restaurant. Another great location to have it is at the Perak Stadium in Canning Garden.

pedestrian-hostile city?
I enjoyed walking around Ipoh. It's true that the cars go fast, but it seemed to me that there are decent sidewalks, and compared to Kuala Lumpur, Ipoh is much easier for a pedestrian to deal with -- there's simply much less traffic. I thought you might like that perspective from a New York City native who enjoyed a visit.

Michael 07:14 07 April 2006 (UTC)

"Do" list broken up by days of the week
A one-word question: Why?

For the record, here is the relevant text:

 * 1) Monday: Taman Menglembu, Taman Ipoh Jaya (near Gunung Rapat)
 * 2) Tuesday: Ipoh Garden East
 * 3) Wednesday: Ipoh Garden(near Perak stadium)
 * 4) Thursday: Taman SPPK
 * 5) Friday: Taman Pertama; Pekan Razaki (near Taman Ipoh Jaya)
 * 6) Saturday: Taman Rasi
 * 7) Sunday: Taman Cempaka (6pm-10pm only)

I am leaving this text for now, but can't imagine what it could be, other than someone's idea of a guided or self tour.

And while I'm at it, this entry doesn't belong in a list of Ipoh foodstuffs:

Kafe Paprika[www.Kafepaprika.com] Excellent lamb stew, run by Nurina and Alan. The proof of the stew is in the eating, the chef there cooks the best chicken also. They serve Mediterranean & European Cuisine, live music every Saturady night.

Maybe there should be a list of specific restaurants and stalls to eat it, in which case, if this is a good place, it should be included in that section. I am deleting this entry and the very obviously promotional language here as well:

Halal Restaurant

* Assam House Restaurant 亞三屋美食專坊

Nestled the quiet town of Ipoh, this cosy little restaurant is a blend of diverse Asian Cuisine. What started out as a small food outlet by a petite women more then 15 years ago has become one of the most reputable restaurant in Malaysia. Famous for its original recipe, Assam House has attracted many to its simple style of preparing dishes, regardless of local and international residents.

Be sure to hit the trademark dishes like the Curry Assam Fish Head and the fun Nyonya Lucky Platter. For prawn lovers, you enjoy these delicious crustaceans fried in Assam House's popular Assam or Assam Black Bean and Asian bamboo.

This gastronomical fare is also competitively priced so you can enjoy a value-for-money meal with your families and friends. If you have problems deciding which mouth-watering dishes to order, don't worry as there are plenty of sets to choose from designed for the different sizes of guests' number.

The real distinction between Assam House and other restaurant, however, come in the form of service. Assam House treats their guests with exceptional service, just like they are family. With fun, outgoing waiters and waitress to serve you, there's never a dull moment here. And you can relax, knowing fully well that you will be taken care of.

Located: 29, Psn Greentown 4, 605-243 7851. 11:30AM-3PM, 6PM-10PM every day.

Michael 23 December, 2006 15:16 (UTC)

 * The article formatting is currently badly broken: it should be structured as a list of restaurants, not a list of foods. In its current form, it would be impossible to find any of the restaurants named!  Brief summaries of famous Ipoh dishes should stay, but half the stuff (samosas and whatever) belongs in Malaysian and Singaporean cuisine.

 * And the days-of-the-week thing is an embryonic itinerary, although one week in Ipoh would be overkill for all but the most dedicated gourmands... (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:35, 24 December 2006 (EST)

More food list
Returning to the food list (removed from the article and reproduced above), this list is cumbersome and inadequately formatted for Wikivoyage. Many of the dishes are not special to region and so shouldn't be described in the Ipoh article. It would be great if someone could identify the true Ipoh specialties so that they can receive more prominent attention. All the mentioned establishments should be incorporated into the article following the manual of style

(WT-en) Travelpleb 08:59, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

Further food list chat
Swept in from User talk:(WV-en) Travelpleb

Hi, Travelpleb. You've done a great job! But I'm wondering what your plan is for the Ipoh article. Why did you delete all the posts on Ipoh foods? I also find this statement way too weak: "Like everywhere in Malaysia, the local food is sublime." Ipoh has a reputation throughout Malaysia for particularly great food, to the extent that I've known of people from KL who drive to Ipoh just to have lunch and walk around having some more snacks before driving back the same day. To give a kind of analogy, I don't think people would take a day trip from Kuantan to Kuala Terengganu just to gorge themselves on local cuisine. I look forward to your thoughts. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 01:59, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

 * I should have done this first: I just looked at the history of the Ipoh guide, and I see you moved the regional specialties to the Perak article. I guess the names of the eateries in Ipoh specializing in them will have to be deleted, then? And a question I'd ask (but don't know the answer to) is how many of these are particularly Ipoh specialties, like Ipoh Bean Sprouts, for example? Does Taiping have its own specialties? (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 02:02, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

 * The Ipoh article had a tag saying its style was not in line with the Wikivoyage style guide. As per Project:Where you can stick it, I moved this list of local cuisine to the regional article. The specialist eateries could be added back to Ipoh as restaurants listed in the correct style. If such a plan offends your sensibilities, by all means move the whole lot back to Ipoh, but I think this clutters what should be a fairly concise article. (WT-en) Travelpleb 02:10, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

 * Perhaps I am a culinary cretin but there doesn't seem to be anything particularly special about the bean sprouts in Ipoh and to say that Dim Sum is an Ipoh specialty seems perverse. The list looks like it was written by someone with a strong local affinity and needs a good overhaul to make it more useful to visitors.(WT-en) Travelpleb 02:23, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

 * Obviously, dim sum isn't solely a specialty of Ipoh, but Ipoh is certainly known for great dim sum. I'm not sure how concise an article about what I think is still the 3rd-largest city in Malaysia (unless one of the cities in East Malaysia has passed it) should be, and since the thing that Malaysians in my experience consider most special about Ipoh is its food, I think that section should be the longest and most detailed. By the way, I don't have a personal stake in this, because while I loved a brief (3 days, I think) visit to Ipoh in 2003, I've spent most of my time in Malaysia in Terengganu (mostly in a kampung), KL, and Kelantan, and I've loved the food in KL, Penang, Kota Bharu, Kuantan, and Seremban, among other places, not just Ipoh. I'm almost tempted to say the list would be better placed for now in Talk:Ipoh than in Perak, but since we agree that it needs work, maybe we should post a request for help somewhere where it's most likely to be read by more users. Where do you think would be most effective? Probably not the Travellers' Pub, as few seem to read it lately (as witness the lack of response to my post about www.airport-china). Talk:Ipoh and Talk:Perak, perhaps? (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 04:44, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

 * According to | Wikipedia, Malaysia's urban agglomerations are ranked: KL (6.1mil), Penang (1.5mil), Johor Bahru (1.3mil). Ipoh languishes in fourth place with 700,000 inhabitants.

 * Re concision: while it's a big place, Ipoh isn't much of a tourist hub and there isn't all that much there: pretty buildings and pomelos don't need that much describing. Therefore I think the article should be kept succinct.

 * I don't think we stand much chance of getting help on this but I'll stick the list in Talk:Ipoh and see if anyone cares. In the likely event we have to do this ourselves: the first five items on the list (Ipoh bean sprouts chicken, Ipoh Sar Hor Fun, Salted chicken, Ipoh White Coffee, and Pomelo) are described as Ipoh specialities, so maybe they and their descriptions should stay in the article. Establishments notable for each should be separated and listed following the style guide.

 * The list is then broken by "Besides these signature dishes, Ipoh is also known to have some of the best of Malaysian cuisine like:" and descriptions of more general dishes follow. These more general dishes (dim sum, banana leaf curries etc) should not listed in the Ipoh article. Any not already listed in the Malaysia article could be included there.

 * While I'd happily accept a compromise and leave the five "local" specialities, each one doesn't seem all that local and so I'd be inclined to be against inclusion.

 * 1. Ipoh bean sprouts chicken - in the name of discovery I made sure I have bean sprouts for lunch in Ipoh today. They were perfectly ordinary and not "very fat, short and tastier than those produced outside Ipoh".

 * 2. Ipoh Sar Hor Fun - the noodle soups here are like any other Chinese noodle soup I've had on this continent.

 * 3. Salted chicken - everyone knows that the colonel was the first to add salt to chicken skin.

 * 4. Ipoh White Coffee - Old Town White coffee is a big national chain (admittedly originating in Ipoh). They run coffee shops selling Ipoh White Coffee in all the big cities, it's even hit Borneo.

 * 5. Pomelo - Pomeloes from Ipoh seem to be available far beyond Ipoh. Wikipedia even has a picture of Ipoh Pomelos for sale in Singapore.

 * (WT-en) Travelpleb 08:35, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

 * From what I understand, the pomelos are grown just outside of Ipoh. I saw street-side stalls selling tremendous numbers of huge pomelos near Sam Poh Tong (which I notice is listed on the Ipoh guide as "within Ipoh," but which I thought was beyond the city limits). But wait: You're actually in Ipoh now? Are you there long enough to try some of the recommended eateries and find out more information about their location, contact info, etc.? That would be great, though it sounds like you aren't so thrilled with the food so far. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 16:15, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

 * I will check out one or two of the places listed. But a brief bit of Googling yields reviews and full contact information for some of the places, so actually having to gorge systematically through the list won't be necessary. I'm apathetic about chronicling the food here because it's all outstanding. I've been in Malaysia for about 5 weeks now and haven't had anything remotely bad: Chinese, Malay, Indian... all great. Perhaps too concise for a travel guide, my advice for good eating here would just be: eat. (WT-en) Travelpleb 22:41, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

 * Yeah, most food in Malaysia is at least good, though you may have to watch your digestive system now and then. Where else are you going to hit on your trip? By the way, I had some of the best samosas I've ever had when I walked through the Indian neighborhood in Ipoh and walked into a shop at random. So moist and delicious! (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 03:23, 1 June 2012 (EDT)

 * 1. chicken and beansprouts - I ate at one of the recommended places. It was very tasty and the meat was tender. I'm not going to rave about it because tasty here is not some magic combination of herbs and spices; tasty here is just heaps of salt and fat, which is great to eat but not exactly a sign of skilled preparation. I've listed both recommended chicken and beansprout places. I've also added brief descriptions of the five Ipoh specialities. Do you think any of the others should be included?

 * I'm probably going to head to the Camerons tomorrow.

 * seems to have blogged about most of these recommended places and lists their addresses and opening times so anyone can put listing together... any volunteers?

 * In case you were wondering, the beansprouts are not some super amazing local secret treasure... they're beansprouts like any other.(WT-en) Travelpleb 06:36, 1 June 2012 (EDT)

 * I think the ideal solution is to list only foodstuffs that are known to be local specialties plus those that are originally from elsewhere but known in Malaysia to be particularly good in Ipoh (which is the basis under which dim sum could be mentioned, though I won't fight hard for that). And then list eateries alphabetically by name (and price category, where relevant), mentioning in the entry for the eatery what it specializes in. I'll try to look at the blog you link to later. Enjoy the Cameron Highlands. I've never been there. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 16:06, 1 June 2012 (EDT)

 * I had some dim today in Georgetown (not the Cameron Highlands). They were very good and so disincline me further from mentioning dim sum in the Ipoh article. I'm gradually working down the list of restaurants, finding their details and adding listings to the article. We'll have a fairly decent Eat section soon enough. I'm also tempted to move this thread to Talk:Ipoh. (WT-en) Travelpleb 23:56, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

 * Feel free. But do keep in mind that Penang is also renowned for its dim sum in Malaysia. I have also had wonderful dim sum in KL (and in Kuantan as well, though back in the mid 70s), but Penang and Ipoh have traditionally been most famous for dim sum in the peninsula, I believe. It would be good to have input from some Malaysians. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 00:32, 3 June 2012 (EDT)

 * It seems that you're trying to say that good dim sum is available in any large Malaysian city, which further supports the exclusion of its description from the Ipoh Eat section. The opinions of (WT-en) Jpatokal (03:35, 24 December 2006 (EST)), which are somewhere in the above mess of this talk page, also are against excessive descriptions of non-native-Ipoh dishes:

 * Brief summaries of famous Ipoh dishes should stay, but half the stuff (samosas and whatever) belongs in Malaysian and Singaporean cuisine.

 * (WT-en) Travelpleb 05:57, 4 June 2012 (EDT)

Railway station
The station has a new look. If anyone would please take photos of it and upload them to Wikimedia Commons, that would be great. It is no longer a construction site, but I can't be sure I know what both sides of the station look like. However, if you've seen it, you do know. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:11, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Been looking for pictures of the station, but can't find any good ones. The sides can be seen on Google Street View if you want to. As for Urdu, I can't say I can tell the difference between Urdu and Jawi. It seems like a weird quirk to me, because it was mainly the South Indians and Sri Lankans who moved to Malaysia. -- torty3 (talk) 10:17, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I can tell the difference. The letter that's a "nya" in Jawi gives a "p" sound in Urdu and Farsi, whereas in Jawi, the fa can be pronounced with an "f" or "p" sound (e.g., paham=faham), and when I was seeing what I'd normally interpret as a nya for a "p" sound on business signs in Ipoh (which would be pronounced the same in Rumi and the Arabic-based alphabet), I'm sure it wouldn't have been Farsi. Yes, most Malaysian Indians are Tamils, but there is quite a significant community of Muslims of North Indian origin, who are called Mamaks and contributed foods like roti canai and capati to Malaysian cuisine. The evidence from signs suggested to me that a large percentage of Indians in Ipoh are Urdu-speaking Muslims. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:41, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Iquitos

Hospedaje La Casita, Tacna 270, Iquitos
Someone here wrote that you shouldn't stay at La Casita, because your things get stolen there. It's too bad that people have bad experiences in Iquitos, but we shouldn't single out a place like La Casita. Stuff gets stolen everywhere; theft is almost like an epidemic in Iquitos. I lived at La Casita twice; once for two months, and once for three months. None of my stuff ever got stolen there and the staff were very friendly and helpful. Bad stuff happens everywhere, we just need to be careful and sensible. True; La Casita doesn't offer a safe place to store things, and it has been two years since my last stay there, so who knows. But at 100 dollars rent a month, I guess you should adjust your expectations. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Mrgart (talk • contribs)

Tapiche Ohara's Reserve
I'm copying this "Do" entry here, to make it easier for anyone to insert it into a preexisting guide for a more nearby place or compose a new guide about the reserve. This content is really interesting, but 340 km is quite a distance. This reserve could be mentioned as a "Get out" location in the Iquitos article, but there is more content here than necessary for a "Get out" listing, and I think it would be better for such a listing to link to a Tapich Ohara's Reserve guide.

The Reserve represents one of the few areas in the Amazon Basin where these forest types can be found in close proximity. Among the animals found here are Pink River Dolphins, Manatee, Jaguar, Ocelot, Margay, Giant Otter, Red Huakari Monkey and Paiche (world's largest freshwater fish), and an amazing variety of birds (over 700 species are known in Loreto), including the Harpy Eagle. The 1540 hectare Reserve is an exceptional storehouse of Amazon jungle biodiversity. This area spans both sides of the Tapiche River east of the Ucayali River. Within the Reserve there are four different springs which are tributaries into the Tapiche. Furthermore, there are several onboxes and lagoons of considerable size. Other than the Tapiche, which is a black river, all the other rivers are full of inorganic material, which is generally typical of Andean sources, but not typical to the Amazon rainforest. These factors, along with the Pleistocene Refugia and river dynamics, contribute to an exceptionally diverse assemblage of primates.
 * Situated 340 km away from Iquitos in the district of Requena, accessible only by waterway, 12 hours with private boat (or a day and a half by local transport), The Tapiche Ohara's Reserve comprises several types of lowland Amazonian forests, including igapo, varzea, and terra firme during dry season.

(WT-en) Ikan Kekek 23:54, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

 * For reasons I don't understand, a nascent edit war has broken out over whether to include this kind of information in this article or create a new article specifically focusing on the reserve. I have posted to User talk:(WT-en) Amyharmony, to attempt to start a non-one-sided discussion. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 15:51, 26 June 2011 (EDT)

Alternative banner for this article?
I have previously created an alternative banner for this article (which was initially created for the parallel article at the Hebrew Wikivoyage, but I decided to suggest we'll use it here at the English Wikivoyage article as well). Which banner do you prefer that we'll use on the top of this article? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 13:31, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * This is difficult because Iquitos is an ugly city. Here are two more suggestions: Ground Zero (talk) 18:10, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

 * I think the current banner is still the nicest. #3 would be my 2nd choice, but I think you've gotta go with the river. #4 is not sharp enough, IMO, and I don't find the view in #2 very interesting. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

OtBP nomination?
What does this article need to be featured as Off the Beaten Path? /Yvwv (talk) 20:08, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * How is this even a guide, with no addresses in "Eat" and no listings in "Drink"? This needs listings with location information in every section. Is there any reason it should not be downgraded at this point? Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:16, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No, there isn't. By all means, downgrade it to usable. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 11:26, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Does anyone disagree? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:13, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:28, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

This article was in poor condition, and was definitely not worthy of guide status or being featured. I have updated the article by removing closed establishments, adding addresses and coordinates, and updating prices, where available. I think this article can now be upgraded to guide status and be featured as OtBP. Ground Zero (talk) 14:13, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Belén market
This is listed under Buy, but I think it is more of a See. I haven't moved it because there has probably been a discussion somewhere about markets like this, and I don't want to re-hash all of that. Ground Zero (talk) 17:16, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Iquitos