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Talk:Abkhazia

Travel warnings
Everyone should be aware that travel warnings for Abkhazia issued by Georgia are subject to extreme bias as tourism strengthens the Abkhaz economy, therefore ensuring greater autonomy from Georgia. Such warnings should be considered propoganda and are generally untrue. There is a noticable increase in such warnings (which are often bizarre) before the tourist seasons. Abkhazia is generally safe, however it is difficult to travel there without knowledge of Russian language, as little English is spoken. As a foreigner you will be welcomed by almost all that you will meet. Many thousands of Russians visit Abkhazia every year with little trouble.

 * This is nonsense. In the past few days there have been multiple explosions in and around the official lines of control, prompting the Abkhaz government to declare a state of emergency and to completely close the de facto border with Georgia. In addition, Russia is instituting a military buildup, the Georgian government has been ratcheting up military operations in the border areas, and the Russian foreign ministry warns that a war may begin soon.

 * The multiple travel advisories that exist for Abkhazia are not issued by Georgia, but rather by multiple Western governments—these can be exaggerated, but it's not a good idea to dismiss them out of hand. It's also not safe to cross from Abkhazia to Georgia even in better times, since the Georgian officials are very suspicious of foreigners moving about that area. In recent years there have been bombings along the border in Gali & Zugdidi, road mines placed without warning, and international workers and observers have come under attack and have been kidnapped.

 * Whether its reasonably safe for Russian-speaking tourists entering Abkhazia from Russia is a more open question, and not one that I can answer (I've heard very mixed reports, leaning towards the "risky, but doable"). But a warning on this page should definitely remain. Indeed, few separatist regions of the world should be without one, especially those over whom a war could be brewing. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:15, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

My comments were not nonense. However there were a few small bomb blasts in the past weeks accross the country killing about 3 but this has affected the feeling of safety and security little and the Russian tourists continue to flock, indeed such attacks are very rare for Abkhazia and Much bigger attacks have occured in major cities across the world but have not majorly affected tourism to these places, therefore one should not feel discouraged from visiting for this reason. The closure of the border with Georgia should not be a cause for alarm because the main crossing into the country is not from Georgia but from Russia, and this has not been affected at all.

The Russian military buildup is small one, just a few hundred being added to just 1500 in the country. This should infact increase the feeling of safety within the country as it gives more assurance that Georgia wont attack. The current situation is a political deadlock, but doesnt looks like it will spill into war at this time. The border areas with Georgia should be avoided, however these areas are not the tourist areas of Abkhazia which are far away from Georgia. As was mentioned, Georgia is suspicious about foriegners entering Abkhazia from its border, so therefore tourists should not enter from Georgia, but this is a widely accepted fact and one that I do not dispute, but as mentioned, 99% of people entering cross from Russia which is perfectly safe and easy to cross.

I have just left Abkhazia from a three week visit there, and I am English and do not speak Russian. I felt safer in Abkhazia than I do in London, my own city. I had no difficulty crossing the border from Russia and I found the country to be reasonably well maintained with a very well administered tourist industry. I did not see any kind of violance and only a few Russian soldiers in isolated places. I felt there to be no animosity towards me from locals despite my governments support for Georgia, on the countrary, people were more hospitable to me than I have ever experienced. During my stay there, I did not see anything or hear anything from people there to substantiate any of the Western travel warnings or Georgian propoganda. I found that it operated very well as a country with its own civil service, police force, health service and everything else that any soverign country has. It did not conform to a stereotyped image of a "seperatist state."

As a western citizen who has just left Abkhazia (November 2008) I must say that this article is very biased to say the least. I agree with the person above, I felt safer than I do in most Western cities. I would like to suggest that travel warnings are removed. The people here were among the most peaceful and kind people I've met during my travels.

Is this still true as of 2018? How safe is it there? My impression is very safe but that's purely based on a google search. Marathonian (talk) 19:05, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Viza v abhaziyu
The prominent "Visa Information" link on the Ministry of Foreign Affairs homepage  is giving a 404. Guess that says it all about how much they want tourists... =P (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:52, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * Not only that, but I remember a year or two ago, there was a website in English regarding travel to Abkazia. !!! (WT-en) AHeneen 12:16, 29 January 2009 (EST)

 * Well well, looks like we've got the Ministry of Foreign Affairs editing now! This will need some cleaning up, I particularly liked the replacement of the  with a  ... (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:27, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

isIn
I think it's appropriate to direct the isIn chain back to Northwestern Georgia. The vast majority of native English speakers have only heard of Abkhazia (if they've heard of it at all) in the context as a break-away republic of Georgia. The breadcrumb trail gives useful geographical context, especially to readers unfamiliar with the conflict, and who would be surprised to see a country on Wikivoyage that they've never heard of. To just direct it straight to the top level region seems to me a little too political of a statement, given that it's state status is almost universally unrecognized—we're already using a country-style Quickbar, and I think that's enough to get the point across. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:45, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

 * I don't know, Caucasus seems pretty appropriate to me. As much as sympathize with the Georgians, despite their hapless miscalculations leading up to the conflict, I can't ever see Abkhazia returning to Georgian administration - it's a Russian showcase for what they regard as their sphere of influence, and from what I know about Russian politics, they are as likely to back down from this, as China is from their claims over Taiwan. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 19:04, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Can you still travel there via Georgia? Wikipedia says it's only recognized by Russia, Nicaragua, and Hamas. If you can still get there from Georgia, it should probably remain listed under Georgia. If routes from Georgia are blocked/not possible, then maybe the Caucuses is the best place for it. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 19:51, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

 * No, the border is effectively sealed. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:45, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

 * I disagree with Peter with similiar arguments as Stefan. Abkhazia is de facto governed by Russia and has no links (borders, money, public administration etc.) to Georgia. It depends like Kosovo on the power of an international dominant player (here Russia, in Kosovo the EU & the US). The situation is not new (10+ years) and it will not return (like it or not) to Georgia anytime soon. From a travellers point of view Abkhazia it is independant because you need a separate visa (can't enter via Georgia unless you are suicidal) and that is very important to know for any travellers who wants to visit that region. If you want to raise the point of the political tensions/history then put it in the understand section. I think concensus is that we switch back to Caucasus? (WT-en) jan 05:43, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Well, if I'm in the minority, I'll drop it. But my perspective is that the territory of Georgia is something commonly understood (in the English speaking world anyway), and Abkhazia sits right on that territory—it's as much a part of Georgia as Canada is of North America. I wish we'd steer clear of these political recognition games, since they perpetuate a certain delusion that Wikivoyage's opinion matters, and thus attract political edit warriors, turns off potential contributors, etc. Just another reason why I'd like to get rid of those quickbars... --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:35, 21 July 2009 (EDT).

 * Well, the political undertones was not the primary point I was trying to make. For all practical purposes Abkhazia is a seperate entity from Georgia located in Caucasus, I was trying to underline that I think it will stay that way far into foreseeable future (because of politics), not dive into a international recognition game. And with a region as small a Caucasus, isn't it directive enough really? It's not that I believe we are in any way authoritative, but from a travellers perspective it would probably group better with Krasnodar_Krai than Georgia. And honestly, most people aren't even able to point out Georgia on a map anyway. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 11:10, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
 * Peter: I understand your point that Abkhazia is based on common sense part of Georgia but due to political games on both sides (Russians & Georgians have their fair share in that trouble...) in reality it's now a satellite state based on the will of Moscow. I like the current way the quickbars work because they focus on the real world and de facto borders travellers has to cross and not the de jure status of international law and politics (that wikipedia's job). It's not political correct or even common sense sometimes but based on international law Russia and Japan are still legally at war due to some minor islands in the north pacific... When politicians starts to behave responsible then the gap between de jure and de facto could be way smaller! Keep smiling, (WT-en) jan 11:12, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

Consistency
If this article is ever to reach star status it will need to adopt a consistent approach to such things as the variety of English spelling, times and $|currency notation it uses; I assume that none should be the US variety. -- A l i c e ✉ 07:17, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

 * It's not even close to star status; it will need a lot more travel content mostly. The whole spelling issue is quite trivial. --Globe-trotter (talk) 11:26, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Stay safe edits
My last edit to the "stay safe" section is based on this Thorn Tree report:. I hope the tone is right and I didn't make it sound too alarming. Vidimian (talk) 15:11, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Well i would call it rather common sense that no consular support is available in territories which are not recognised by your home country. I would like to visit one time Abkhazia but only with a spare passport to get out any time and only in a group to mitigate risk. Guess the Russian soldiers in the area are depoly somewhere else at the moment. jan (talk) 16:04, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Occupied territories
Why you didn't mentioned that in Georgia there is law about occupied territories so, if one has visited Abkhazia from Russia, and afterwards Georgia, it is crime - as one has crossed Georgian border illegally. So visiting Abkhazia legally is possible only from Zugdidi. The rest is illegal. Russian law is not considered, as everybody knows that Russians don't respect any law. —The preceding comment was added by 178.134.227.115 (talk • contribs)

 * Because nobody knowledgeable about that fact has added it to the article yet. Everyone can edit our articles, including yourself. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:57, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

 * The issue you mention is already covered at Abkhazia (after the big yellow box), but you are welcome to elaborate on that if you'd like to. But please keep our guidelines on political disputes while doing that, though—currently Georgian laws have no effect in Abkhazia and any traveller that doesn't mean to visit the country after Abkhazia on the same passport shouldn't be bothered by them. Vidimian (talk) 20:48, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Curreny updating
Does it make sense to list and update the Russian Ruble exchange rate here instead of just referring to the Russia page? Cheers Ceever (talk) 16:44, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Do we have a large Russian readership? Ground Zero (talk) 18:02, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry ... I meant referring to Russia. Wouldn't that be easier and more failsafe? Cheers Ceever (talk) 11:52, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It would be, but it would also mean sending the reader to another page for the information, which is less convenient for the reader. We do have exchange rates for almost every country on the country's own page. Ground Zero (talk)

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The correct spelling is Abel Tasman National Park.

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Talk:About Cycling

So the article content is a very thinly disguised spam attempt, but is there a worthwhile travel topic lurking in here somewhere? There are people out there who travel long-distance by bicycle... (WT-en) Jpatokal 14:42, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

 * I agree that it seems to have merit as a travel topic. (WT-en) OldPine 13:23, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

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The "hasDocent" template inserts, next to the link to the docent's User page, a link to a page Aboutdocentpage. This page had no content. I plunged forward and put in a redirect to Project:Docents. However, I think that Aboutdocentpage needs content of its own: written for the WT reader rather than editor, explaining what a docent does for travellers and how to take accept their willingness to help. See also Project:Docents. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 14:36, 5 March 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Abu Dhabi

Do we need separate articles for Abu Dhabi the city and Abu Dhabi the emirate? (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:58, 21 May 2005 (EDT) Yes, there were lack of real Chinese food in the town, and some Chinese food and even Chinese restaurant claimed were just old style and usually not made by Chinese chef. But today the situation has dramatically changed. several authentic and contemporary Chinese restaurant can be found out in the town and they are run by Chinese and chefs are all from China. But please be noted that Chinese food now has a very large variation.

Hate to tell you this but it is illegal to share a confined space with a woman who is not a blood relative or your wife. The Adamski bit is true - a friend of mine was made to dance on hot coals before the Royal Family whilst this song, a smash hit in the UAE, was played. She was not amused.

New museum?
Pumps Ran for 6 Years to Build Abu Dhabi's New Island Museum. Sounds good. Does anyone have enough info to add coverage here? Pashley (talk) 18:23, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

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Splurge restaurants
In the Eat section are all the Splurge restaurants in the same hotel. All these restaurants link to the same hotel website. Is that fine with the Wikivoyage regulations? Flightnavigator (talk) 20:52, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

 * It's exceptional, per Don't tout, but not necessarily wrong. From the first entry in that section:

 * Don't list the same place many times. Yes, a guesthouse may have a restaurant, a bar, an Internet café and a dance show, but you need to pick one of "See", "Eat", "Drink", "Sleep" or "Connect" to slot it under.  That said, exceptions can be made on a case-by-case basis if, for example, a hotel has a famous, separately named bar or restaurant that also draws significant numbers of non-resident customers (use the article's talk page to discuss these rare instances).

 * The rule of thumb I use to judge whether restaurants in listed hotels should be listed separately is: if 50% or more of the customers of the restaurant are not hotel guests or people meeting hotel guests, the restaurants should be listed separately. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:00, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

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 * FoP problem. The entire group of photos nominated for deletion will undoubtedly be deleted, so think fast, but I think File:Qasr Al Watan in March 2022 02.jpg is a better photo than the one we're using now, if we want a photo of the exterior of the palace. There's also File:Qasr Al Watan in March 2022 14.jpg, but I think the palace is too small in the thumbnail to look good enough on the page. If we'd rather show an interior, File:Qasr Al Watan in March 2022 05.jpg is splendid. File:Colors of the Union.jpg is a beautiful view of the gate lit in many colors for National Day and File:Qasr Al Watan in March 2022 12.jpg is interesting if we want to show some of the fountain. My feeling is, either the first photo I linked or the 3rd, with the interior, is the one we should download ASAP and upload locally. I hope someone expresses an opinion about this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:53, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Ikan Kekek, the first one linked is fine to me. I have them all locally saved, so no need to hurry. Just ping me once the community came to a conclusion. --Renek78 (talk) 09:17, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Super! Thank you. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:28, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Good evening, Renek78. No-one else has expressed an opinion so far. I think we should go with File:Qasr Al Watan in March 2022 02.jpg. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Ikan Kekek, any idea how to proceed in order to get it to Wikivoyage? So far I've only uploaded to Commons. --Renek78 (talk) 22:41, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Follow the prompts at Upload file. Click "upload it locally to this wiki" and fill in the information on the following page. You can use the template to insert analogous information from the relevant Commons file page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:13, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 👍 Done. Thanks. --Renek78 (talk) 14:38, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Thank you. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:21, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

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Abu Dhabi districts
I think it would be better to split this article into different districts. There is already a separate page for Yas Island. The same could be done for Saadiyat or Reem islands already. Hudayriat and Zayed City will become more developed in the future. Any thoughts? Jordandaly95 (talk) 09:49, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Abu Ghosh

A quick search of Abu Gosh on Google indicates this city is an Arab city in Israel. I will indicate this is in Israel. If this is not the case please change the loaction. (WT-en) Sapphire 03:59, 21 April 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Abuja

Safety
The article says "It is safest to stay in your hotel and avoid the streets in Abuja unless you have an escort." I have to disagree. Abuja is not at all unsafe, certainly not compared to other cities such as Lagos. (WT-en) Riki 13:28, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

No direct flights US to Abuja
The article says Delta has a direct flight to Abuja, but as far as I can find no airlines offer direct flight from the US to Abuja. The delta route goes via Accra http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=20295&item=123836

Districts of Abuja
There has been no proposal to create district articles for Abuja that's been brought up here for discussion. As things stand, there is not so much content in this article that we need such articles yet. However, articles were just started for Jahi and Maitama. Why shouldn't they be merged and redirected here? User:Lordgentual, a penny for your thoughts. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:19, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

 * @Ikan Kekek Thanks for the ping. I saw two articles on Abuja district (Garki and Gwarinpa) and I felt I could start creating districts on Abuja. I also feel this districts are needed cause they are popular places and they have interesting places. If you still feel they should be merged, then please feel free to do so. Compliments of the season.
 * Lordgentual (talk) 19:54, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Those two articles how too much information to be merged into Abuja -- Garki has 19 listings, and Gwarinpa has 23. (Great work by Lordgentual.) I think they should remain separate from the rest of the city so that the city article is not focused too much on these two districts. Jahi and Maitama just repeat information available in the Abuja article at the moment, but if more information is added, then they should be separate, too. We do have to discuss how you organize the articles. Should Abuja be split into districts like Lagos is? Ground Zero (talk) 20:42, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Same to you! Would you please post a proposal on this talk page of how you would divide this city into districts, where the boundaries would be, and about how many listings there would be in each article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:01, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Ground Zero for the observation. I actually plan on building up those articles (Jahi and Maitama) with unique listings different from Abuja own.
 * Lordgentual (talk) 21:07, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Why is Gwarinpa not Abuja/Gwarinpa, and why is it not mentioned in Abuja? We need a complete list of districts in that section. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Upgrade to Guide status?
This is a well-developed article which meets many of the criteria for guide status; see Guide articles. Should we upgrade, or is anything missing? /Yvwv (talk) 00:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

 * No – many listings are missing coordinates, contact info, descriptions. Just no. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:57, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Districts and the CBD
I've tried to make some mapshapes of Abuja for the new districts created by Lordgentual. However, it seems that they did not get around to creating further districts, and now Abuja only remains partially districtified (if that's a word). Based on OSM data, it seems the only major district that is missing is the CBD (central business district for those that don't know what CBD means) though these are the districts that don't have their own articles:
 * CBD
 * Gudu (this can possibly be combined with Durumi and be renamed to Abuja/Gudu and Durumi)
 * Maitama (currently redirects here)
 * Kukwaba (though there doesn't seem to be much in this district, and can probably be combined with Gudu and Durumi.)
 * all districts west of A234 except for Jahi – we can rename this to Abuja/West of A234 or Abuja/West if we don't want to create an article for each of the districts
 * Guzape

However, at the moment, the only district urgently needed to finish the incomplete districts mess is the CBD according to this map as we have articles for all the other "inner districts". Any other comments before Abuja/CBD is created? And should the title be called "Abuja/CBD" or "Abuja/Central Business District"? CBD is a common abbreviation in Singapore and Australia, but all Nigerian websites seem to spell it out in full. If unsure, I think we should just go with Abuja/Central Business District. After the CBD is sorted out, I will try and figure out how to cleanup the other districts. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:20, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia says: "Abuja's Central District, also called Central Area, is a strip of land stretching from Aso Rock in the east to the National stadium and the Old City gate in the West." I would go with "Abuja/Central District". Ground Zero (talk) 12:39, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * It's referring to this bit of Abujam right? (which matches Wikipedia's description) Central District seems good to me (and it's much shorter too). It would be nice if anyone familiar with Abuja could comment here though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:56, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, I just realised that Maitama seems to redirect here. Should it be restored as a bare outline, just so we don't have incomplete districting? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:00, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

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Religious undertone
Being a religiously diverse city, isn't it nicer to have a neutral symbol as a key image for the city rather than the state-of-the-art Abuja National Mosque? Kambai Akau (talk) 08:05, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

 * We don't have the mosque there because we favour one religion over another, but we have the mosque as the key image because it's symbolic for the city and is a beautiful site that works well as a lede image. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:14, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

 * Right. But that said, we have no other images in the article except for the pagebanner. Kambai Akau, if you see other useful images of the city on Wikimedia Commons or would like to take more good photos of Abuja and upload them to Commons, please add more thumbnails. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:25, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @SHB2000, quite understood. I do like the design of the mosque too. But as much as possible, let's be neutral in the selection of images as symbols have deeper connotations than we might originally think or don't think they do. @ Ikan Kekek, sure. Abuja has a lot of imageries already uploaded to Commons. I would add more thumbnails to the article from the existing ones and possibly upload more to Commons with time. Thanks. Kambai Akau (talk) 08:50, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * If you think more images of other religious buildings should be added, then by all means, add it. But I don't think removing one of the city's most iconic buildings just because it has religious connotations gives an impression of what the city is like for travellers. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 09:02, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * If there is some iconic view that would work as lead image, then the mosque could be moved down to See. A city planned to be the capital should have some place like the National Mall in Washington, USA (something like Capitol from top of Washington Monument.JPG, although I'd hope for a better image). However, I found no good lead images for Abuja with a quick search on Commons. I wouldn't try to get neutrality by adding churches – that would make it seem like that you visit the city for religious buildings. –LPfi (talk) 09:37, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @SHB2000, Adding churches wouldn't make any sense either, because, as LPfi thinks, I don't know if one would visit a city for religious buildings when Mecca, Rome and Jerusalem still exist. We have beautiful sites in Abuja good enough to occupy the space, though. I could see some, but I wouldn't want to remove the image of the mosque myself. If I can share some with you here, maybe you could check them up. One of them is the city gate and the other, the Zuma Rock. Those are the two main symbols of Abuja which when Nigerians see, they know what they mean. The Zuma Rock was notable enough to get to the N100 note, right? Just thinking. Kambai Akau (talk) 10:20, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * If you think the Zuma Rock would make a better lede image, by all means add that too. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:24, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The mosque has been replaced by the National Assembly as lead image, and I think something like that is good for a capital. I don't see a problem with having the mosque in See as now, but certainly, the Zuma Rock should be added if there is a good image available. I did so now. I think the images are OK now, but there is room for more. –LPfi (talk) 11:22, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah @LPfi, thanks. It looks great. Regards. Kambai Akau (talk) 12:50, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

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Spelling
Should this destination not be spelled as Aït Benhaddou? --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 15:27, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Any followup on this? What's the most common form of the name - with or without a hyphen? Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:07, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Grand taxi?
Grand taxi term needs clarification. Le Grand Bleu (talk) 16:05, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

 * Agreed. I have no idea what it is. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:07, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

 * (Shared?) taxi for travel between cities, says French WP. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:27, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Page banner
I propose to change the page banner for the one that we got from Wiki Loves Monuments. --Alexander (talk) 23:43, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

 * Yes, your's looks better. Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:45, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

 * I agree, too. Clearly superior, IMO. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:20, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Acadia National Park

In the first paragraph it states this is the only National Park in New England -- I'm positive that this is not true.
 * According to the NPCA, there are many National Historic Parks, but this appears to be the only one called just a "National Park" in the region . I think the statement is true. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 21:46, 17 August 2009 (EDT)

Alternative banner for this article?
I created a new alternative banner for this article (I initially created it first and foremost so that it would be used at the top of the parallel article in the Hebrew edition of Wikivoyage, yet I later decided to also suggest that the English Wikivoyage community would consider using it here as well). So, which banner do you prefer having at the top of this article? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 05:24, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * I support a change. The new banner is gorgeous. However, the source file for the current banner would be well worth including in the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:37, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Much as I love the foggy image for its atmosphere, I agree that the proposed one is better. Much more picturesque. PerryPlanet (talk) 22:19, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Support Syced (talk) 07:26, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Book for this place?
Hi, it looks like there is a book copy of this at https://www.readinga-z.com/book.php?id=3545. Is this reliable? Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) 11:41, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Accomac (Virginia)

Data Mining links:
 * http://www.easternshorevisitor.com/accomac-virginia.html

Accomac in Virginia and Pennsylvania

 * Accomac (Pennsylvania) - does not currently exist, so I moved Accomac (Virginia) to Accomac - It can move back if needed. - (WT-en) Huttite 08:03, 25 January 2009 (EST)

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Talk:Accra

Magic place
Good to see that some updates are happening on Accra. I spend 10 days here about 12 years ago. Stayed at the Labadi Beach Hotel (no idea what it cost, company paid). Probably the most friendly people anywhere in the world, from the taxi drivers at the airport to the people on the streets downtown. Spotless white beaches. Damn hot though, 32C when I got off the plane at 4AM; but the local beer is good and does an excellent job at cooling one down. I was supposed to stay for only 7 days, but enjoyed it so much that I happened to miss my flight out to Keyna. US$10 got me a taxi for the day and Ghana Air in downtown Accra has me sorted out with a new flight within an hour. Brilliant place, I'd go back any day. (WT-en) NJR_ZA 14:49, 22 January 2007 (EST)

trotro
Okay...I lived in accra for more than 10 months and I have an issue with the comments about tro tros. I rode around on tro tros all the time, almost every day for 10 months. In that period, I had but 1 accident, in which there were no injuries. It is true that people die on tro tros, people also die in cars and taxis and other vehicles. Mostly the danger is long distance routes at night...thats when accidents occur. In accra, tro tro fatalities are rare. Most tro tro mates don't try to rip you off, if only because other ghanaians in the bus will get angry if they do.... This was my impression but lets open this up to debate to uncover toe truth about tro tros.

Upgrade to Guide status?
This is a well-developed article which meets many of the criteria for guide status; see Guide articles. Should we upgrade, or is anything missing? /Yvwv (talk) 00:35, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Seriously? There are zilch eat listings. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:59, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

 * If it doesn't have any Eat listings, it is not even usable. Usable articles require at least 1 eat listing. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 16:23, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Well, to be fair there is information about a couple of restaurants that should be listingfied so it's kinda usable. Get in, Get around, See, and Sleep have enough information (the last one needs coordinates) but all the others need to be expanded for guide status. Check out some earlier DotMs to see what a guide article for a big city should look like. --Ypsilon (talk) 16:38, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Change of template
Under "By plane", I modified the template used next to Kotoka International Airport, as for some reason the marker template only links to the Wikipedia article for Kotoka International Airport rather than both the Wikipedia article and the Wikidata article, so I modified the template to be Template:Go in order to mitigate this issue. Changing the template from the Marker template to the Go template seems to cause the template to link to both the Wikidata article and the Wikipedia article rather than just the Wikipedia article, I hope this clears up any confusion.

Sincerely, Mugtheboss (talk) 14:15, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Accrington

I added more information
I added more information to this article. Hope you guys like it.

Respectfully, WVOnline

Football team
The section on the notoriety of the football team seems to be disproportionately long. Would anyone object if I cut it down a bit? Ground Zero (talk) 00:25, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

 * No objections from me – this is Wikivoyage, not Wikipedia. We don't need to include every single detail of Accrington Stanley, even though the history of that specific soccer team might be notoriously different from other English soccer teams. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 00:42, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

 * Please do. A good summary would be welcome, as this is purely for background and interest and not about a sight. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:18, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Aceh

I've added some further details to the Aceh article based on information from friends in the region or friends working there (some associated with the Police department in Aceh province, others who were former guides in Leuser National Park before the current fighting, and finally by a member of AUSAid who frequently travels to Banda Aceh on aid work from his office in Jakarta). -- Marquis790.

Shariah
First of all, how should "shariah law" be capitalized? No caps? Caps for both words? Caps for only "Shariah"? Let's pick one and be consistent throughout the article.

Also, which one of these is true?

In the "Understand" section:

So far no sharia laws have been enforced upon tourists, and non-Muslims are officially exempted from having to follow sharia laws

In "Stay safe":

Since 2016, such laws have being applied both to Muslims and non-Muslims.

If shariah is being applied to non-Muslims, which shariah laws are being applied and how are they being applied? We need to be specific if we want to help visitors. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:55, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

 * As far as i know, sharia laws being applied both to Muslims and non-Muslims, but the punishment is different. Muslims get harsher punishment than non-Muslims. Additional note: "Law" (hukum) and "Punishment" (hukuman) using an almost exact word, that's why the translation fails and confusing the reader. Veracious (talk) 02:22, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

 * Do you know enough about the situation to give examples? For example, if a non-Muslim drinks beer, is that punishable, and if so, how? What about if a Muslim and a non-Muslim commit khalwat? Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:40, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's stated that drinking alcoholic beverage is punished by getting whipped in front of public AND either getting jailed or fined. But, non-muslim could choose either getting jailed, fined, or getting whipped
 * And about khalwat.. it's almost same, the punishment is getting whipped for muslim (no alternative). And for non-muslim, they could choose either getting jailed or getting whipped
 * Oh, playing online game in public area can also lead you to getting whipped. Veracious (talk) 04:16, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wow, online non-gambling games being severely punished! That's really strict! Well, I think it's important to mention these kinds of things in the article so that visitors know what they're getting into and make sure to behave within the local interpretations of Syariah while they're there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:52, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmm, i don't know how to write the sentence, my English isn't any good. Can you do it please? Veracious (talk) 06:37, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll give it a try, probably tomorrow. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:42, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok. Thank you. Veracious (talk) 08:12, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Across Australia by train

History of the Indian Pacific
pruning the across australia rail stuff seems just a bit too spare - the fact that it was one hell of an issue getting around earlier would be useful somehwere? -- sats (talk) 12:46, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

 * I didn't really prune the across Australia stuff. It is just that we're talking about the history of the trans-australia railway, and that has historically been a route that didn't go via Albury/Melbourne.  We're talking changes in Broken Hill, Peterborough, Port Pirie, Kalgoorlie,  So, I'm just part way through correcting that.  As per your comment "one hell of an issue getting around", well with frequent train services between each of these points and many others in between, I maintain getting around would have been far easier.  Right now the IP passes some of these small towns every week.  Towns like Peterborough, like Port Augusta, Port Pirie, that really do deserve a day or so of your time, become hopelessly impractical to visit by train.  Given me the 1930s over today for train travel in Australia any day!  Hopefully this belongs in the history too! --Inas (talk) 19:49, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

 * Well dare I say it, I am of a vintage where I have been on the change of guage trip when I was I child - it was great...
 * I think if anything is going to describe the trans australian/indian pacific differences it has to be more elaborate to explain what the differences are

 * history of the trans-australia railway, and that has historically been a route that didn't go via Albury/Melbourne. - if talking between sydney and perth, for a start I think trans australia needs to be strictly kept as a term for kalgoorlie to port augusta - and Perth to Sydney old route needs to be explained as having to go to Melbourne...

 * I'm happy for as much history as you like to go in the article. It goes without saying that its target audience are train buffs, so I don't think we can overdo it.    I'm happy to mention the Melbourne/Albury stuff in context, but we need to make sure it isn't confusing or inaccurate.   --Inas (talk) 00:00, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

 * The problem with that is it is very easy for misinformation creeping in when we get into the South Australian content which you have been improving so well - we need a map which shows the older routes and the newer ones - have you ever seen anything on commons? Not just Ghan centric info - I am talking perhaps a pre 1955 rail map would be the best as it would possibly show the infor even better...    sats (talk) 09:05, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

 * I was looking today for just such a map. I did find some great information on the railway, and I enjoyed reading at the state library of victoria.  The are a few brochures like this:  http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/19854884  .  I did find this map http://nla.gov.au/nla.aus-vn5783960-s3 which again is a fantastic map.  Thargomindah is an amazing place.  It shows how the modern capital city vision of Australia just wasn't shared by the pioneers.  --Inas (talk) 09:29, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

 * Sorry http://nla.gov.au/nla.aus-vn5783960-s3 is a real no-no in my territory - it has lines that indicate crazy ideas that never materialised - and I think where there is any ambiguity of unclear text, it would be enough to set off the minds of the geographically or historically  traveller and materialise like a hypoethical lasseter lost reef inventory... fantastic map is indeed correct in the literal sense, very unuseable here. (Inas you have a very devilish sense of humour yes?)  sats (talk) 10:14, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I wasn't suggesting for a moment we use it. I was just saying I went looking for a map, and I found some other great stuff.  Nothing useful though.  --Inas (talk) 10:24, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * OK :) - I have access to materials, it will take time, I will make sure it is in commons sometime soon... sats (talk) 10:28, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Other lines?
While services on the east coast are not across the continent, there are many that take 24 hours or longer (Cairns to Brisbane for example). Would it make sense to also mention those somewhere in this article? ϒpsilon (talk) 11:21, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Stay safe?
"As it is a long journey, and there are few chances of people just wandering in onto the train like in other countries, it is nevertheless wise to secure your room or items."

Is the author trying to say there's a risk of someone stealing your luggage or someone "stealing" your seat? ϒpsilon (talk) 11:21, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Outdated
The article may need a major rewrite. In addition to the comment in Prepare, a look at the timetables on the website of Great Southern Rail reveals that the Ghan and Indian Pacific stop at just a couple of places along the journey instead of the 14 and 23 places listed so most points of interest are useless. What else might be outdated? --ϒpsilon (talk) 18:36, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The article does say that some stops are "By prior arrangement only". The train must stop at places which are not in the timetable, as there are excursions available at other places. The timetable for the Indian Pacific only lists Sydney, Adelaide and Perth, but there are excursions from Broken Hill, Rawlinna and Kalgoorlie. The advanced search feature in the booking engine came up with several stations that are not in the timetable. I think that the main issue is that the trains are basically sold as excursions rather ways of locals getting from A to B and so the timetable is simplified. AlasdairW (talk) 19:35, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yup, I also looked at the PDF timetable and it did show a few more stops (at most 5 stops between Perth and Sydney), but by nowhere near as many we have listed. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:46, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that each journey could usefully have an introductory paragraph saying which stops you can buy tickets to. It is probably worth keeping the existing list of stops, as the train may stop at these stations to allow other trains to pass. The main update is probably removing the stuff about red class which appears to have been discontinued. Maybe worth looking at Seat61. AlasdairW (talk) 13:10, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Across Canada by train

There's really no point in having two stand alone articles about travelling across Canada by rail so I proposed merging whatever we can into Rail travel in Canada, then redirect. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 09:14, 21 December 2006 (EST)

Thanks for your comments - however I'm concentrating on a precise itinerary, not a travel topic. It will abide by the guidelines for an intinerary and hopefully will not tread on the toes of the existing travel topic by going into detail not suitable for the Rail travel in Canada page. I would ask that the documents remain un-merged until the complete material exists on this page. Regards, and thank you for your concerns and comments. (WT-en) James 14:27, 21 December 2006 (GMT)

Ok, updating at the end of a long-ish day... the bare factual bones of this itinerary (booking information, routes, classes etc) are now in place. What comes next is a much more subjective itinerary, suggesting one or two ways of doing the trip: Would appreciate more constructive criticisms and contributions, but as already discussed above it needs to keep to the basic point to point itinerary. (WT-en) James 17:10, 21 December 2006 (GMT)
 * fast coast to coast stopping off only when necessary
 * the twelve-travel-days Canrailpass itinerary
 * a longer itinerary with additional stops and recommended excursions off route.

Across Canada
I'm also adding a Across Canada by Bicycle wiki page. and would like to have other Across Canada pages. .. however there is a point where its too much for a wiki travel article, as my plan is to go into extreme detail. http://acrosscanadatrails.wikia.com/wiki/Across_Canada_Trails_Wiki

—The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Acrosscanadatrails (talk • contribs)

Eat & Drink
I think this article should have a section on dining aboard. I have only done the Hudson Bay Line, so I'm not sure if my experiences were common to all Canadian rail travel, and therefore won't add them without confirmation. But the food sucked and was expensive, you can't bring your own alcohol on board (there's some insane fine). The drink prices in the dining car weren't unreasonable, and the drinks themselves were fine. Is this usually the case? Do dining cars sometimes have chefs, serving something other than that foul microwaved @#$%? Or is this all less relevant on the better-traveled tracks, with more opportunities to dine off the train? --Peter Talk 09:31, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:A Day In Wakefield

Why is this article needed?
There is already a Wakefield travel guide: http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wakefield_%28Rhode_Island%29

It looks pretty good, too. What does this article add that's important?

(WT-en) Ikan Kekek 02:11, 8 March 2011 (EST)

 * I would tend to agree - we've gotten five or six of these sorts of articles lately, including Visiting Providence (Rhode Island), which is now tagged for merge to Providence (Rhode Island). I'd suggest that this might be a merge candidate as well. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:05, 8 March 2011 (EST)

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Talk:A Day Trip Through Allston

(WT-en) Carasullivan 12:32, 8 March 2012 (EST)I was intending this page to be an itinerary, and I was wondering how the page does not meet the requirements for an itinerary.

 * An itinerary is typically a route - Route 66 or The Wire Tour are good examples. "A Day Trip Through Allston" is about suggestions for spending a day in a town, so it isn't clear how the information will be any different from what would be found in the main Allston article.  In order to avoid duplication the merge tag was added to suggest a better location for the content. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:38, 8 March 2012 (EST)

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Talk:Ad Dakhliyah

Same as Ad Dakhiliyah?
Is this article the same region as Ad Dakhiliyah? - (WT-en) Huttite 04:54, 9 December 2009 (EST)

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Talk:Addis Ababa

Restaurant list
A mere unannotated list is useless — please pick some good ones and give addresses, prices, descriptions, etc. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:47, 5 July 2006 (EDT)

List of all the reasonable restaurants in Addis Ababa: Acropolis Restaurant, Addis Ababa Golf Club, Addis Ababa Restaurant, Addis Gojjo, Addis Live, Addis Sports Cafeteria, African Queens, Agelgil Restaurant, Ajanta Indian Restaurant, Al Baraka, Al Mendi, Aladdin Restaurant, Alliance Ethio-Française, Ararat Club, Arcobaleno’s Restaurant, Assfaw Wossen Hotel, Balderas Hotel, Bilo’s Pastry Shop, Blue Tops, Bole Mini, Bombay Brasserie, Bon Année, Bravo Bravo, Buffet de la Gare, Café Dolce, Canapé International, Castellis, China Bar & Restaurant, Chocolate City, City Café & Pastry, Connection, Crown Hotel, Don Vito, Dashen Hotel Restaurant, Elfign (in Top View), Enrico Pastry, Enesra Traditional Bar & Restaurant, Enset Restaurant, Ezana National Restaurant (Ibex Hotel), Family Restaurant, Fantasy, Fasika National Restaurant, Finfine Restaurant, Flamingo Bar & Restaurant Garden Court Restaurant, German Restaurant, Ghion Café, Gourrmet Restaurant, Greek Club, Gursha Restaurant, Habasha Restaurant, Hamlet Steak House, Hilton Addis Ababa (The Pizzeria, Jacaranda, Kaffa House, Gazebo, the Bakery, Sunday Champaign Brunch), Hong Kong Restaurant, Ibex Lailibela Restaurant, IL Caminetto, Il Pinguino Gelateria, Jewel of India, Kaffa House, Kaldi’s, Karamara National Food, Kokeb Restaurant, La Brasserie, La Cupola, La Parisienne, Lazoreea Restaurant, Le Jardin, Le Notre, London Café, Loti Restaurant, Loza Mariam Bakery, Mai Thai, Makush Gallery, Mmm… My Flavour, Moka Harer, New York New York, Oasis Restaurant, Pasta House, Peacock Bar and Restaurant, Pizza Deli Roma, Pizza Globen, Pizzeria Italia, Pizzeria Romana, Purple Café, Rainbow Seoul (Korean Barbeque), Rico’s Bar & Restaurant, Roby's, Rodeo Bar & Restaurant, Saay Pastry, Sandwich City, Samet, Sangam’s, Serenade, Shanghai, Shangri La Restaurant & Bar, Shaunzee Fries & Grill, Sheraton Addis (Temptations, Summerfields, Les Arcades, Breezes, Shaheen, Stagioni, Baywatch/Breezes, Fountain Court, Stanley’s), Skyline Restaurant, Tadesse Bayu, The Cottage, The Olive, The Village, Tik Tak Fast Food, Tomoka, Top View, Tukul Café, The Tun Tavern, Village Café, Yod Abyssinia Culture, and Zebra Grill

IL PINGUINO GELATERIA
IL PINGUINO GELATERIA SELLS THE BEST ICE CREAM IN ADDIS ABABA. GO AND CHECK IT OUT ON THE ROAD FROM BOLE/OLYMPIA-BAMBIS BEFORE ABC-BUILDING. TEL. 0115-155592 OR 0911642597.

Ethio Mayer Café
Please try Ethio Mayer. Previously known as Sol – Kid café. It is located in Piazza. Good pastry, good beverages, and good customer service!!

HM

Stay safe section
Regarding the following statement: "…Once you show your passport at the airport, you are free to move around pretty much anywhere…" This is mostly true. In 2004 I rode a minibus from Nazareth (Adama) to Addis, in the late evening after the regular buses stopped running. The police stopped us when we reached the outskirts of Addis and all the male passengers had to get out of the vehicle. I assume they were checking for contraband or weapons, and was told this only happened at night. I honestly don't remember if they checked my passport, though. There was no questioning. The men got out, the police/soldiers looked inside, we got back in and that was it (except by that point it had started to rain). This was not a big deal, but at the same time I don't think it's entirely accurate to say that one may freely go anywhere. In any event, it is generally advised that you make this sort of trip during daylight hours. -- (WT-en) Gyrofrog (talk) 16:13, 29 May 2007 (EDT)

Shopping centers
Understand. Regarding this statement: "Addis Ababa is also one of the best and biggest shopping cities in Africa with 12-15 shoppingcenters in the centre of Addis Ababa.". This simply can't be true. At most there are about 8 supermarkets and about one shopping centre.

 * Please plunge forward and make the changes as you deem appropriate! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:53, 5 February 2009 (EST)

Phone numbers are out of date should be +251 11 XXX XXXX as of 17 Sep 2005
The article appears to be full of out of date phone numbers from pre 2006 when the city changed from a 6 digit number to a 7 digit number. Number should be +251 11 XXX XXXX. However most are +251 11 XXXXXX. If the phone numbers are 4 years+ out of date I assume all the listings content is out of date as well.(WT-en) felix 05:15, 4 December 2010 (EST)

Tiglachin Monument vs "Derg" Monument
Please see the Wikipedia page on this monument for more information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiglachin_Monument The Derg were a murderous Communist regime that nobody now wishes to honor in any way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror_%28Ethiopia%29Country Wife (talk) 17:44, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Guide and DotM
This is one of our better articles (content-wise at least) of a major African city and I think it would make a nice Destination of the month someday. Africa is still underrepresented among our featured articles, though the situation has got better over the last years.

The article needs to be tidied up a little — some bulleted points need to be turned into proper listings etc. — and we have to check that everything is up to date before the article goes on the main page, and then upgraded to guide status. There's no rush, though, the article could be featured sometime in the latter half of 2018 at earliest. Also, given that it sometime still is hard finding information about points of interest in African destinations on the Internet, it's good that we have a local editing here. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:00, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

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 * Addis Abeba12.jpg

 * That's the lead photo, and the reason is no freedom of panorama in Ethiopia. "Sculptor Maurice Calka died in 1999. Photo can be restored in 2050 after expiration of copyright (50+1 years from death)." If it's important enough to us, we have to upload the photo locally before it's deleted from Commons. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:57, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * If it's important for us to show a photo of the lion statue, we could consider uploading a different photo locally, like File:Lion of Judah, Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.JPG where the lion is more clearly visible. Alternatively we could use a photo of a different sight such as St George's Cathedral (File:Katedrála sv. Jiří.jpg) or the older lion monument (File:ET Addis asv2018-01 img38 Lion of Judah.jpg). I don't know what makes the best representation of Addis Ababa. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:50, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I've never been there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:42, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * Not visible on the page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:11, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

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 * No FoP in Ethiopia. Will upload right away SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:20, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

 * But the photo is not visible on the page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:28, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

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 * Low-quality and not visible on the page, so I don't care. Also probably copyvio. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:36, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Flickrwashing it seems. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Ready to feature?
This article was nominated for dotm but slushed due to the emergency in Ethiopia; see Destination of the month candidates/Slush pile. As the country is more peaceful now, shall we nominate the article again? /Yvwv (talk) 12:50, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * There are many listings that are out of date or undated. Ground Zero (talk) 16:26, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The lead paragraph doesn't explain why a reader should wat to visit Addis. Ground Zero (talk) 17:12, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Addo

Please note that some of the information on this page is taken directly from the site http://www.traveladdo.co.za/ beacuse I am the official public realtions officer for the Cacadu District Municipality and therefore have to use their information on our WikiTravel pages.

The Cacadu district in the Eastern Cape of South Africa includeds Addo, the Baviaans, Grahamstown, Jeffreys Bay & St Francis, the Karoo, the Sunshine Coast and Tsitsikamma

The information also has a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.5 South Africa License.

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Talk:Adelaide

Banner
I was really hating the nighttime picture of the fountain in the banner. It just wasn't obvious what it was to people not familiar with the city. I replaced with a waterfront scene, although happy for anyone with a better picture to make an alternate suggestion. Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:37, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

 * It's a fine image.
 * The general idea of banners is good - a sock-em-in-the-eye attractive, large image that tries to encapsulate something of the destination. However, like much of this site, it is very poorly implemented visually.
 * For those with small screens, the horizontal TOC obliterates most of the image. The TOC and title should be in a separate (but merging) panel below the eye candy and all those annoying star and DOTM logos shoudl go there too along with the afterthought that is the (usually ignored or misunderstood) cue to click on a full-screen dynamic map. --150.101.89.130 01:10, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Districts
Adelaide might need districtification soon, but when we do eventually do that, just what I had in mind:
 * Adelaide/City and North Adelaide Adelaide/CBD (not sure whether it should be called Adelaide/City centre though. I'd defer to for this though)
 * Adelaide/Port Adelaide, Enfield, Prospect and Outer Harbor (just north of the CBD)
 * Adelaide/Salisbury and Tea Tree Gully (outer north)
 * Adelaide/West Adelaide (includes LGAs of Charles Sturt, West Torrens, Holdfast Bay and Marion)
 * Adelaide/South and East (includes LGAs of Mitcham, Unley, Burnside, Northwood Payneham & St Peters, Campbelltown and Walkervale)

Not sure where Garden Island + Torrens Island should go to, but I'd like to to be covered under Adelaide/Port Adelaide, Enfield, Prospect and Outer Harbor, only because the only road going in there is from Outer Harbor. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:17, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
 * For the first one, I'd say in colloquial speech, "City" is much more common than "CBD", although "CBD" is also understood. However, the terms "City", "city centre" and "CBD" do not normally include North Adelaide, so I'd name it Adelaide/City and North Adelaide. The dog2 (talk) 15:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
 * done. I was originally thinking of doing that, but I thought some might think that "North Adelaide" means the outer north which is Adelaide/Salisbury and Tea Tree Gully in this case. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:52, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * About how many listings would you expect in each district? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:14, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I dunno. I've never lived in Radelaide, only went there as a tourist. Probably just the same amount as you'd put in a usual district but can double check as I'm going there on Tuesday pending restrictions on Omicron. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:20, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

 * True that it may confuse some outsiders, but if you mention "North Adelaide" to a local or anyone who has lived in Adelaide for a significant amount of time, there is no ambiguity as to what it means. The dog2 (talk) 08:39, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I guess so as even the suburb name is called "North Adelaide". SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:07, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Have made some banners. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:59, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

I was thinking though, should we make a banner using St Peter's Cathedral for City and North Adelaide. That's probably the most beautiful church in Adelaide and something many tourists would want to see. Adelaide isn't really a place you go to for city life. It's a lot less bustling than than Sydney, Melbourne or Perth. The dog2 (talk) 05:51, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Adelaide CBD banner 4.jpg
 * Adelaide CBD banner 5.jpg
 * Oh yes, how did I forget about St Peter's? One of my favorites when in the city of churches. Unfortunately, it doesn't really come off well in a 7:1 ratio but I'll look for more banners. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:00, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @The dog2 I'm going to put this thing on hold, for another year, because there seems to be a large number of new national parks, and they will need articles – and I'm not sure how to incorporate them in. Is that ok with you? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Sure. I don't think this is that urgent. The dog2 (talk) 05:39, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @The dog2 The national parks don't seem to affect the boundaries, but I've made a map. Do most people in Adelaide consider Gawler to be a part of Adelaide or a separate city? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:04, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's borderline, but I'd say it's a separate city. Vaticidalprophet might want to weigh in too. The dog2 (talk) 15:49, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd definitely lean towards a definition as a separate city. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 22:58, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I guess we'll leave it as its own city then.

On another note can national parks like Adelaide International Bird Sanctuary National Park—Winaityinaityi Pangkara be treated as a city district but have the "park" article classification? I've never seen this happen before, but I guess there's always a first. Manhattan/Central Park seems the only one I can find, but that's classified as a city district, not a park. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:06, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The same with Belair National Park too. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:06, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Districtification 90% done. Just the drink section left. The only reason I left that to the end is because I'm not that familiar with Adelaide's pubs, bars and nightclubs. After that, the only thing that needs to be done is content added to the new districts. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:40, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * After 1.5 months – done. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:12, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Overlap Adelaide Hills & South and East Adelaide
Adelaide Hills and Adelaide/South and East both have detailed listings of Belair National Park, Cleland Conservation Park and Morialta Conservation Park. Would it maybe be better to cover them only once in their appropriate page? Ontoka (talk) 13:14, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

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Park/Region template?
I just added a bunch of park template headers to this article, since it is for a state park. But it's a weird state park! It's about the size of Vermont, has commonly understood subregions (which are not yet all in the article), and plenty of populated towns (that were there before the area received protected park status). I think this weird hybrid model is the best way to treat the Adirondacks, but perhaps some of the headers should get cut out, if we decide to do so. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 04:35, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I'd drop a line at the pub to solicit some more feedback. There may be a solution used someplace else that we can apply here.  (WT-en) LtPowers 13:17, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Subregions

The Adirondacks are huge, and we won't have a good guide to them unless we start to break this down into more manageable chunks. The Champlain Valley and Keene Valley regions are valid, but they only cover like 1/16 of the total territory of the park. So we need to develop a comprehensive regions hierarchy for the park. That'll be hard, and I don't have any suggestions at present, but I'll return to this. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 04:37, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

 * OK, finally got around to this complex task, and I think I've come up with some pretty good regions, as shown to the right. There are a long number of ways you could divide up the park (examples:, , ), but these are pretty well defined and I think they make a lot of sense as travel regions (that is, they should have nice thematic coherence & content spread).

 * The only region with potential to become crowded is "Eastern Lakes," but that would be easy to divide up if necessary into a "Lake Champlain region" and a "Lake George region." When the boundaries are not following roads or the Hudson, they might look arbitrarily drawn, but they're actually not—I tried to keep major wilderness areas, as well as trail clusters in single regions, unsplit. Thoughts? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:50, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

 * It looks fine to me, but I have zero familiarity with the area. =)  Certainly a high-quality map, I just can't speak to the accuracy of the region division.  (WT-en) LtPowers 10:47, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

I am in Saranac Lake, and can mostly talk about that area. It seems to me that you might want to have the high peaks in one area and the Saranac Lakes in another. This would let you include most of the 46 High Peaks in one area and lots of the canoeing in another area. It is good that you have Long Lake and the Saranacs in the same area as there is major canoe race that goes throgh all of them. Then St. Regis Canoe Area could be in the same area as the Saranac Lakes. I'll think a bit more as well. (WT-en) Gam3

 * So are you suggesting that we move the Saranacs from "High Peaks & the Saranacs" to "Northwestern Lakes & Wilderness?" If so, should the latter article be renamed? Or do you think the Saranacs + Long Lake & St. Regis Canoe Area should get their own region? If so, what do you think would be a good name? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:53, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

 * I have a couple of different ideas: 1) Move HP & SL to the west a bit so that Tupper Lake and St. Regis is in it and Elisabethtown is not. 2) Thinking of travel centers -- Just have 4 regions: Old forge, Great Sacandaga, Lake George and Tri-lakes/High-peaks, Tri-lake/High-peaks would be all the North. A line from Port Henry cutting just south of Long Lake, and would still have fewer people than the out three regions. (WT-en) Gam3 23:47, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

 * Hmm. One disadvantage to having such a large northern region is that we're not just worried about distributing content about the populated areas. I'd like to see some good general information about the various wilderness areas, public lands, major lakes, rivers, mountains, and hikes get covered in these subregion articles. So I worry that a Tri-Lakes/High-Peaks article might have just a bit too much territory to cover well in one article.

 * I think the idea of moving HP/SL to the west to exclude Elizabethtown is a good one. If we use this 4-region scheme (we could divide regions in the future if need be), I think we should keep the areas east of the Northway (along Lake Champlain) still grouped with Lake George as an Eastern Lakes region. The highway makes it a pretty coherent travel region (as does the unbroken canoe route!) That will cut down on the sheer size and scope of the territory to be described in the large Northern Area region article.

 * (Sorry I took so long to respond!) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:46, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Where do we stand on this? Conceptually, I like the five-region map shown above, and I agree it seems to make sense (simply looking at the map, admittedly, and with no knowledge of the area) to move Elizabethtown to the Eastern Lakes region (to keep both sides of the Northway corridor in the same region). Can we agree to do that and then get started on implementing the region breakdown? (WT-en) LtPowers 10:34, 25 July 2011 (EDT)

 * I've been doing a lot more hiking and poring over various maps of the Adirondacks lately, and would want to devote some good time to reviewing this breakdown before going forward. I'm working on too many things right now at once, though... --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:18, 25 July 2011 (EDT)

OK, here's a new draft, which I think is ready for implementation. My only concerns are that the northwestern region may be too big, or that the two southwestern regions may be too small. But we'll have a better idea of that once the regions have actually been created. This has taken too long, time to act ;) --Peter Talk 17:26, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * High Peaks looks small, but I assume there's a lot to cover therein. I don't think the other regions are obviously too large or too small.  Do you think any of these regions will be subdivided at all, or will they be right above the cities in the hierarchy?  If the latter, what happens to Keene Valley and Champlain Valley?  LtPowers (talk) 23:56, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * High Peaks is definitely dense enough for travel information, although it will challenge our usual methods a bit, since the focus is on things we haven't done all that well (wilds, not towns). On the upside, I know a ton about the region, so I should be able to help come up with a logic that fits the way we do things. Others may need to be divided, but I don't think they should be subdivided—just split into more "top-level" regions. The one that would probably strain one region most quickly would be Eastern Lakes. Keene Valley should redirect to High Peaks and Champlain Valey to Eastern Lakes. --Peter Talk 01:07, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * After looking more closely at those two articles I mentioned, it turns out that Champlain Valley is actually in Vermont, and Keene Valley should probably be renamed to Keene (New York), since it appears to be about the town and not a region. The way they were linked on Adirondacks confused me.  LtPowers (talk) 14:57, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Confused me too! --Peter Talk 17:12, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Barring any objections, I'm going to implement this shortly. It's a big task and I'm in the mood to do it, so I should strike while the iron's hot ;) --Peter Talk 19:44, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Fine with me; I've renamed Keene Valley and removed both that and Champlain Valley from the regions list on this article. LtPowers (talk) 00:41, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't forget to change the "Hudson Valley" label on the map to "Capital District". =)  LtPowers (talk) 02:35, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

It appears as if the subregions process for the adirondacks has stopped, but just in case, I grew up near here and am somewhat familiar with it. Elizabethtown looks close to Lake Champlain, but there's a mountain range in the way and I've always thought of it as High Peaks. Godsendlemiwinks (talk) 20:52, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Why is it essential for the Adirondacks to be divided into subregions? This region article itself is practically empty, and the number of "Cities" is hardly overwhelming. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:05, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Well there are 20 towns just on the map, not to mention other points of interest all over. It's also the size of Vermont, so there's value in simply being able identify distinct regions to describe to visitors. That said, maybe it would be best to keep everything in one region for now until the amount of content begins to overwhelm it. Powers (talk) 00:58, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd support adding subregions based on pure size (I think it's actually quite a bit bigger than VT), although I agree that the amount of content doesn't currently justify it and realistically it may never need this many subregions based purely on amount of content.Godsendlemiwinks (talk) 01:57, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The lack of content is exactly the point. We create more regions when there is more content to deal with. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:20, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * If I may, I think Peter's concern may have been that the region is too large to summarize succinctly. But perhaps that can be gotten around by using the proposed regions as a pseudo-structure, describing each subregion within this article without giving each one its own article just yet. Powers (talk) 18:20, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure. That makes perfect sense. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:48, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Pronunciation advice
Just a thought from a non native English-speaker: Might it be a good idea to add pronunciation advice for places with "non-obivous" names like these? Is it Add iron decks? a deer run ducks? Something else? Where do you put the stress? Mispronouncing place-names is sure to result in being recognized as an "obvious foreigner" (with all the being ripped off that might entail) at the very least. Best wishes Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:09, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * "Adirondack" is actually relatively common as NYS placenames go, being the namesake of a furniture style. I'd thought the pronunciation (a-der-RON-daks) to be fairly obvious (or as obvious as any English pronunciation could be), but perhaps not. The problem is where to draw the line -- if "Adirondacks" is on the 'non-obvious' side, then so is Schenectady and Canandaigua and maybe even Binghamton. We do address the pronunciation of Skaneateles, but that's one even New Yorkers have trouble with. Powers (talk) 01:11, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Skaneateles? I shall have to find a "skinny atlas" and look that one up. :) K7L (talk) 01:17, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I think we should explain the pronunciation in the lede or in the "understand" section once. If possible in one sentence and maybe with the aid of IPA-symbols. That way the lede (or the understand section) has something to say (which may or may not aid SEO) and the issue is dealt with. I would of course be against mentioning it at every mention of the name of the place. And I gather that upstate New York has quite a bit of place-names that derive from indigenous American terms, which seems to complicate matters somewhat ;-) Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:34, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * We don't use IPA symbols. I am having trouble understanding what, other than the accented syllable, would make the name "Adirondacks" hard to pronounce. Just write "the third syllable is accented" in parentheses, if it's really important. By the way, I definitely think Schenectady is worth explaining pronunciation for (more or less "skuh-NEK-tuh-dee", I think). Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:13, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * They all seem fairly obvious to me, except Skaneateles, but I'm a New Yorker. Then again, I recall very few English placenames I've had a hard time pronouncing; La Jolla is the only one I can remember right now. I'm just not sure where Hobbitschuster wants to draw the line. Powers (talk) 01:02, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think Neunkirchen is difficult to pronounce. And the German relation between what is written and how you say it is rather straightforward. But we do have to keep in mind that not all our readers are native speakers. And as I hinted at above there are several ways you could pronounce the place... Hobbitschuster (talk) 01:20, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree that Neunkirchen is not hard to pronounce reasonably accurately. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:09, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand, Hobbitschuster, but we are the English Wikivoyage; we have to expect a basic level of familiarity with English (while no such expectation exists for any other language). I'm not sure how you'd get the pronunciation "decks" or "ducks" from the spelling "-dacks", but I'm willing to accept your non-native perspective that the pronunciation is ambiguous. But if we do that, we're going to have to rely on you to tell us all of the American and English and Australian placenames that are hard for a non-native speaker to pronounce. Powers (talk) 13:11, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Well in English an "a" can be pronounced roughly like a Spanish "a" or roughly like the "a" in track. an "i" can be pronounced as in "inquisition" or as in "hire"... There are even place names that should be pronounced the same, but aren't like Birmingham (England) (silent h) and Birmingham (Alabama) (the h is pronounced) or the fact that Kansas and Arkansas are not pronounced even remotely similar. After all what do we lose if include one line on the pronunciation or common mistakes regarding it? The thing is: In most common languages you can guess the pronunciation of unknown words (including place-names) with a reasonable level of accuracy if you know the general pronunciation rules. In English, stuff is just all over the place with silent letters thrown in for good measure that sometimes don't even make etymological sense... Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:18, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * English is a very cosmopolitan language. And yes, spelling does not always point the way to correct pronunciation. But a few phonetic rules will get you 80% of the way there. As I said, I'm willing to accept your contention about "Adirondacks", but we really need to know which other articles you think need pronunciation guides before we can make a decision on whether to include them as a matter of course. Powers (talk) 18:20, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

I am not able to give a generalized list (though Arkansas and Birmingham, England can should and do mention their pronunciation). In general, I'd think places that are frequently mispronounced (especially when they are frequently mispronounced a certain way) as well as some of those "tongue twisters" (such as the Schentetctady or something place mentioned above) would serve the voyageur if there were even a single line regarding their pronunciation. It is of course not needed in each and every place, especially if the "seemingly obvious" pronunciation is indeed the correct one. I mean, we do mention regional nicknames for some cities and places, don't we? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:25, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It sounds like we're in agreement that you can simply mention in each article's talk page that you would like some guidance on the pronunciation of the name. But I'll add that while it's easy to explain the accentuation of a name, I don't think it's either easy or important to explain precisely how the letter "A" is pronounced in "Adirondacks". The pronunciation will vary depending on accent, but the variation is not a big deal; it's the accentuation that could be a problem for understanding. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:05, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, if our metric is "frequently mispronounced", I don't know if 'Adirondacks' qualifies anyway. Powers (talk) 23:23, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Malone
Should Malone (New York) even be in this article? It's not in the park, but its isPartOf link points here instead of to North Country/NNY. K7L (talk) 00:01, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

 * I'm thinking not. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:05, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Maps
Do we need to have two different maps in the article? Powers (talk) 23:34, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Removing the perfectly good static map -- which shows the subregions -- wasn't what I had in mind. Powers (talk) 19:37, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Neither of these maps is perfect. From the static map, I can't tell whether Glens Falls is even within the park boundary (it most likely is not) and the list of villages doesn't quite match the numbered list in the article. K7L (talk) 01:59, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Amtrak's The Adirondack
This was the New York to Montréal train whose service was suspended at the outset of the pandemic. On my recent journey I heard a train aficianado explain that the Canadian leg of the tracks need to be cleaned and that 3 different Canadian companies are currently debating who should be responsible for it and pay for it. So Amtrak's The Adirondack won't resume until the parties have reach agreement on paying and doing track maintenance. - Kosboot (talk) 22:42, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

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Copyvio
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We, http://www.adroguelive.com have made a wikivoyage guide for Adrogué, translated to spanish, It is avaiable on http://es.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Adrogu%C3%A9

I would want to know how we can link it here

Suspect typo
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Region status
See discussion at Talk:Southern_Russia--(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:05, 24 June 2011 (EDT)

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Aegean Sea
As above, a body of water, thus, not an article. Has several links to it. -- (WT-en) OldPine 19:09, 20 November 2007 (EST)
 * Keep. It dawned on me, immediately after deleting the Pagasetic Gulf article, that while this isn't viable as a destination article, it makes good sense as a region in Greece, possibly under the name "Aegean Sea (region)".  Incidentally, I've made a rare entry in Project:Votes for undeletion to see if Pagasetic Gulf should be brought back on the same grounds; suggest discussing there as well. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 13:18, 11 December 2007 (EST)
 * Keep. I find (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill's argument persuasive. At the least, on purely travel grounds (waters!), it would be an itinerary of sorts. --(WT-en) Wandering 13:58, 11 December 2007 (EST)
 * Comment. Greece currently has two regions for the Aegean; if we keep this as a region (I'd keep the name as just "Aegean Sea", those will have to be dealt with. Alternatively, we could simply redirect this to Greece, even though there are bits of Turkey in the Aegean, almost off the rocks in that sea are Greece-administered. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 14:41, 11 December 2007 (EST)
 * Fair enough. The links to this article are all in Greece, and I'm pretty sure that whoever started the article did so thinking of it as a Greek something-or-other, not something shared with Turkey.  (Insert political commentary here; I'm not touching it.)  So maybe even better than keeping the article as it stands is to turn it into a disambiguation page for the existing region articles with "Aegean" in their names. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:32, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Keep as a disambiguation. In general, though, I'm not sure we should keep merely plausible region articles. If they don't fit with the established hierarchy, and redirects/disambigs don't make sense, then we should probably get rid of them. For example, Northern Russia would not have been salvageable in the Russian hierarchy. I also don't support the notion of keeping plausible itineraries—unless someone really shows an interest in developing them, they just sit around as stubs that give people the wrong idea about what gets an article on Wikivoyage. Lastly, the links to the Agean Sea page should be removed, as they give the impression that we encourage links to "body of water" articles. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:57, 12 December 2007 (EST)

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Sub-regions
I tried to divide Aegean Turkey into (somewhat arbitrary, but sensible from a travelling point of view) sub-regions, to keep the cities list on this article tidier. Here is a short summary on where is where:
 * Central Aegean – a circle with a radius of about 100 km centred in Izmir. Everything between Foça in the north, Manisa (or somewhere nearby lying further east) in the east, Kuşadası in the south, Çeşme in the west
 * Northern Aegean – everywhere north of Dikili up to the Marmara (region) border.
 * Southern Aegean – everywhere south of Kuşadası. Doesn’t include Kuşadası, however (it’s in Central Aegean).

Both Northern and Southern Aegean are common names in daily speech by the way.

Opinions on borders, names, etc are always welcome. – (WT-en) Vidimian 13:37, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

 * The problem is that this schema doesn't take into account the fact that Aegean Turkey also includes a large inland area with areas like Afyon, Kütahya, Uşak and Denizli, which are currently classified as Central Anatolia. My suggestion:
 * Northern Aegean – the Aegean portion of Balikesir province.
 * Central Aegean – Izmir and Manisa provinces.
 * Southern Aegean – Aydin and Muğla provinces.
 * Inland Aegean – the other four provinces.
 * Obviously this isn't an even division, but it essentially divides things into 1. the Aegean part of the Turkish Riviera and their hinterlands, 2. the greater Izmir metropolitan area (less Aydin province, since it includes many resort towns) and pretty much everything that's an easy day trip from Izmir (again, excluding Adyin), 3. the small portion of Balikesir not included in Marmara region (another resort area, though one mainly targeting Turks), and 4. everything else, which except for Pamukkale goes largely unvisited by tourists. —Quintucket (talk) 20:27, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Whenever possible, the regional divisions at Wikivoyage are considered with a firm focus on the needs of the traveller. As such, I'm afraid I can't agree with an "Inland Aegean" region, as the trio of Kütahya, Afyon, and Uşak Provinces are as much unrelated as it could be to the Aegean, culturally, geographically, climatically or travel-scene-wise. (Pamukkale and Denizli are in the Southern Aegean region in the current set-up, though.) I'm all for an Inner Western Anatolia (İç Batı Anadolu) article (which I think of start writing as soon as I have more free time) for these three provinces (plus Eskişehir), but I'd say that should really be a sub-region of Central Anatolia. Vidimian (talk) 21:00, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I understand the point about the needs of the traveler, however when we're talking about the broader regions, I think that the traditional Turkish geoscheme serves this purpose as well as anything. Most sources follow it, and it's unlikely that anybody will try to see the whole of a macro-region, no matter how we divide things. So while we could start from scratch, this doesn't seem to offer much benefit for macro-regions, and arguably grounds for contention, since regions can overlap, depending on what kind of travel you're trying to do, and the hierarchal set-up doesn't account for this.  (I sincerely hope that at some point we'll have the capacity to create overlapping regions, but that's likely to be a way off.)

 * Aydin and Muğla for example could be treated as part of the Turkish Riviera, but also as Aegean Turkey, and Aydin and even part of Mugla and Denizli fall under the "places you can day-trip from Izmir if you have a car" region, while also overlapping with the "places you can daytrip from Antalya" region. Thus I would still propose to stick with the Turkish geoscheme for larger regions for easy reference.  Smaller regions are of course a different matter, and those are where we should try to nitpick and fine-tune things for ease of planning. As such, I can see that Denizli, as the only one of those provinces often visited by foreigners, might merit its own region. —Quintucket (talk) 21:42, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I still cannot see a reason to group Afyon together with Izmir, or Kütahya together with Muğla. I'm not saying we should follow their lead here, but for what it's worth, Lonely Planet guide to Turkey, 2007 edition, puts everything from Bursa to Denizli in a region named "Western Anatolia" (distinct from the Marmara, Aegean, Mediterranean, or Central Anatolia regions), while Rough Guide to Turkey, 2010 edition, puts Kütahya into "North Central Anatolia", and Afyon into "South Central Anatolia". Denizli Area could be its own region, but currently that wouldn't have much content (please consider viewing this policy page for the optimum size expected from the regional divisions of Wikivoyage).
 * From what I understand, Turkish Riviera (Wikipedia article) is an extra-hierarchical region covering parts of Aegean Turkey and Mediterranean Turkey. Currently the border of these two regions (which was discussed here) is defined as to leave Marmaris on the Mediterranean, while Datça and Bodrum to the north of it in the Aegean, which is in sync with the general idea in Turkey that the Datça Peninsula forms the border between the Aegean Sea and the Mediterranean proper. To delimitate these two regions clearly, I could recommend looking for these while you are around:
 * Olive trees, and Greek/Roman ruins: you are likely in the Aegean
 * Pine trees, and (mostly) Lycian ruins: you are likely in the Mediterranean
 * Of course there should be places that are exceptions, but these could be the basis of a general idea on where to put into which region, I guess.
 * In any rate, this discussion might be more appropriate to take place at Talk:Turkey, as it is more about a general regional division of Turkey rather than the Aegean Region. Vidimian (talk) 22:15, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

 * OK, I've brought the topic to the Turkey discussion. I started a new topic, since the initial discussion is quite old.

 * While from a traveler's perspective there's no particular reason to group Afyon, Kütahya, and Uşak with Izmir, there's also no reason to group them with Ankara, Konya, and Sivas. They're simply not often visited by tourists. Even I haven't visited them, though I would like to some day (just because I've found that places people tell you not to visit here are nonetheless often worth visiting). I'm fine with including Denizli in the Southern Aegean, though I'd note that I think the Datça penninsula, while forming the border, is still considered part of the Aegean.

 * Also, I realized that I forgot that a small part of Çanakkale province (basically, most of Ayvacik) is considered part of Aegean Turkey, though by including Assos in the "North Aegean," the guide already reflects this. — Quintucket (talk) 23:01, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Seven Churches of Asia
So I'm thinking that there are several package tours that seem to be popular in Turkey (that is, I've seen very similar packages sold from multiple companies), that travelers might be interested in attempting to do on their own. However these are usually a group of geographically close destinations, often with extra ones thrown in, and don't necessarily have a specific order. The ones I'm thinking of specifically are the Seven Churches of Asia, and the popular attractions of the Southeast (this one already has an itinerary of sorts, though it seems to be a personal itinerary, covering a couple sites that aren't necessarily the main ones people see, and sticking to a somewhat odd timetable).

I'm wondering if there's a good way to cover a group of sites, commonly visited together, without setting a specific order or time table? I'm interested in the Seven Churches of Asia for now (I've visited six of them, and plan to visit the seventh when I eventually get to Denizli), but not sure how to go about it. Itineraries seem to require at least some suggestion of the order, while topics seem to need to be more general. And of course while all the sites are mentioned in their respective sub-region articles, (and I'm trying to make it clear how to get between them in site-specific articles) they're not all in the same sub region, and one would currently need at least seven pages to plan the one trip, should they choose to do it. Thoughts? —Quintucket (talk) 18:57, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

 * You can create a travel topic. AHeneen (talk) 21:57, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

 * The nearest precedent that comes to my mind is New Mexico Pueblos, which might be helpful to draw inspiration from. You could also write about it, perhaps in its own subsection, at Aegean Turkey until when you decided in what shape the full blown article would be. Vidimian (talk) 00:03, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks guys. The New Mexico Pueblos article looks especially helpful in terms of layout, but I think I'll take Vidimian's suggestion and put it in the "see" part of the Aegean for now, until I get it to the length where it needs to be split. —Quintucket (talk) 19:42, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

title: Talk:Aegean Turkey