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Talk:Bargaining

Early comments
I'm interested in haggling. One thing I wonder about is where it's actually a local practice, and where it's been introduced because tourists expect to bargain for everything. --(WT-en) Evan 07:07, 4 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * Bargaining is or was the default mode everywhere -- fixed prices were regarded as a wild and dangerous innovation when first introduced. Tourists are mostly responsible for opportunistic price-gouging, like tuk-tuk drivers in Thailand asking for silly prices when they see a farang climb on board when they'd never get away with this if it was a local. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:29, 4 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * I find that hard to swallow; I'd be interested to see some backup documentation on that. I mean, in a world with so much sexual, linguistic, religious, cultural, and artistic variation, doesn't it seem to stretch credulity that the retail experience is identical from Timbuktu to Tibet? It seems more likely to me that Westerners have brought their expectation of haggling everywhere they visit. "We" all know that "they" haggle over prices, so we carry this model around with us everywhere we travel, and we fall into the bargaining behavior everywhere we go.

 * Haggling is something I see a lot more often between tourists and locals than between locals themselves. I don't think it makes a lot of sense for everyday purchases, really -- who has the time to bargain over a loaf of bread and an apple every day of the year?

 * Yes, commodities like bread and apples will usually have a standard 'local price'. However, access to this depends on your relationship with the merchant, and if it's your first visit to the apple merchant and you have bulging stacks of zorkmids falling from your pockets then of course you will be charged what the merchant figures you can bear.  Note that this is not a question of local vs foreigner, but known local vs unknown stranger; a rich local guy pulling up in his Rolls will also be charged a higher price. (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:26, 5 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * I guess the main thing I want to see is that we're not making excessive assumptions in this article. The "they're not like us" mentality is really worrisome to me, and I'd like to make sure we're not perpetuating myths. --(WT-en) Evan 16:48, 5 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * Haggling is often the only way to do things. In England we have shops that sell stuff to us, so there's only a few sellers, and a lot of buyers, so fixed prices make sense. In many countries, most people sell stuff, or a far greater proportion do than in England. This means there can't be easily fixed prices, as each sale is more of a one-off. This mainly only applies for expensive things though. "we fall into the bargaining behavior everywhere we go" this doesn't make sense: Either you accept the first price they say, or you offer a lower one. If they don't budge then you can't haggle, if they do then you can. It's not being imposed on them.
 * Also on your User page it says you travel around North America (where the average person in the street rarely sells anything), have you been to Timbuktu or Tibet? (WT-en) Lionfish 22:38, 5 Apr 2005 (BST)

 * Yes, I've been to lots of places where tourists haggle with locals (Mexico, Turkey, Southeast Asia), and I'm well aware that it's a common tourist practice. But I've been to very few places where I've seen locals haggle with other locals. I think the "you have to bargain there" myth is self-perpetuating -- if tourists want to bargain, local merchants will learn to do so to deal with their customers. --(WT-en) Evan 00:26, 6 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * Heh, sorry I ranted last time :P I guess I see your point. It's difficult, when a town has been flooded by tourists for years, to buy things 'normally'.

 * Just agreeing with (WT-en) Jpatokal, bargaining is the 'norm' across the world, it is only a few Western countries that have adopted fixed prices. I'd like to point out that in countries worse of than your own, you will usually end up paying slightly higher than a local, however hard you haggle. This might seem unfair, but remember that you can earn considerably more than them: In Morocco the average wage is $2/day.

 * Embarrasing story: On the way out of Morocco, at Tangier, we were trying to get a taxi from the train station to the town centre. None of the taxi drivers were using the meter, and they were offering way over-the-odds for the ride (I think about 30 dh = £2). We decided to walk, as it was only a couple of miles... >_< Moral: You have to know when to stop haggling and say 'ok' - especially when it's over tiny things. (To recover a bit of my dignity: In other cases saying 'no' and finding an alternative solution, even if you're just bluffing, will usually make the price drop like a stone: The hotel we stayed in in Fez ended up being considerably cheaper than our guide book said it was after a bit of bluffing). (WT-en) Lionfish 16:00, 5 Apr 2005 (BST)

 * Its more that they will bargain more and in more deals with non locals. In all countries you bargain over some things: used cars, insurance, houses, horses, stuff on ebay. Even airline tickets are not sold at a fixed price, I bought a Lufthansa ticket at an online agent for half of what Lufthansa asked on their homepage. At E.g. the Cairo bazaar most vendors expect some bargaining, but not all, a few actually have pricelist in arabic numbers and you cannot get a better deal unless you buy a lot. Gold jewelry are sold for a fixed price per gram.

You will see tourists sitting for half an hour drinking tea bargaining over a scarf. Locals do not do that (for cheap things). Its just a couple of offers each way and a deal is done in seconds. -- (WT-en) elgaard 15:47, 5 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * Agreed. In Morocco we never haggled for food or water, and in general we didn't for taxis (pestering the driver to turn the metre on, or agreeing in advance a price IS a good idea though!!!!!). But for an expensive (ish) rug my gf bought we spent quite a while haggling.(WT-en) Lionfish 22:38, 5 Apr 2005 (BST)

 * Yes rugs are individual and it is hard to know what it is worth. And if you have the time it can be fun to spend some time haggling, drinking tea and discussing. I once spend a whole afternoon in Kayseri buying  a carpet. At some point I had to wait for something and the owner had a nephew show me town. -- (WT-en) elgaard 18:29, 5 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Arabic numbers
"If you are in a country that use arabic numbers then learn them."

I thought that the arabic numbers were 1,2,3,... What is meant by this? -- (WT-en) Kurkoski 02:19, 2 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * See . Basically, the familiar 123 is Western Arabic, but most modern-day Arab countries use Eastern Arabic numbers. 203.117.95.42 02:23, 2 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * Thanks for the clarification, and the link. (WT-en) Kurkoski 12:22, 3 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Marrakech edition should be merged here?
I found a dedicated Bargaining section under Marrakech--and believe most part of it should be merged in here. I am not strong enough in the subject to perform educated merge--hopefully someone will plunge forward with it. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 17:38, 10 November 2006 (EST)

Not a good merge candidate
I do not think merging this into Shopping is at all a good idea; it is a large and important enough topic to stand alone. Except that I do not want to edit war, I'd just revert the merge tag as obviously silly.

Other opinions? Pashley (talk) 19:13, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

 * I agree. It's a stand-alone topic and it gets a lot more links to it than a generic shopping article probably ever will. Can we remove the tag? Texugo (talk) 21:49, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

 * I've removed the templated notice. It was too powerful and an inappropriate use for which I unreservedly apologise.
 * I still think there is scope for having a more generic Shopping article with redirects to specific sections in that larger, more easily found, article. -- A l i c e ✉ 03:12, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Haggling is a more appropriate travel topic than Shopping. Shopping is something we all do every day.  Haggling is something genuinely unfamiliar to many.  As far as templates go, we can discuss this here without having a banner/tag on the main page.  It is unnecessary.  --Inas (talk) 05:16, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Latin America?
Is haggling really something done much in Latin America? If it is, I either have been a chronic sucker, or haven't been to those parts of Latin America, I guess. But it's always seemed like an African & Asian thing to me. On an unrelated note, I love the new game theory section! --Peter Talk 05:46, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * In Brazil at least, you can haggle at the crafts fairs, markets, etc. Texugo (talk) 11:02, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Rename
I think a better name would probably be simply "Haggling", keeping in line with our naming of many other travel topics. James A ▪ talk 12:51, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

 * I basically agree, though I think I'd prefer Bargaining. Pashley (talk) 13:14, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

 * Sounds good to me. Most of the article uses the term "bargaining" anyhow. James A ▪ talk 14:03, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

 * I completely agree. "Haggling" has a bad connotation, to my knowledge, in American English, that "bargaining" doesn't have. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:14, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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This is a tough one, but what about one of these? --Danapit (talk) 08:41, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it is tough! These both feel somewhat jarring to me, like we're looking at somewhat random parts of people's bodies. Which I guess we are. If I had to pick between the two, the second one looks like bargaining is probably actually taking place. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:45, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It seems the seller in second banner asking for ₹100 but buyer insisting on paying ₹300 instead :D --Saqib (talk) 09:06, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Good comment, Saqib:D I would also prefer #2, although it is probably not ideal. I have tried slightly different crop of the original image. And perhaps somebody has a nice photo at hand. Danapit (talk) 10:22, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

"Bargaining as a problem in game theory"
I'm not convinced this section is within the scope of Wikivoyage, and it appears to be so full of jargon as to be quite incomprehensible to those who are unfamiliar with game theory and its terminology. I would like very much to delete this section, but am willing to hear out anyone who'd like to argue for keeping it. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:31, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I wrote it; I thought I'd given clear & simple explanations of the jargon. So much for that notion! At Latin America above, there's a comment "On an unrelated note, I love the new game theory section!", so I guess it is a matter of taste.

 * I'd say leave it in. Some people will ignore it of course, but I think some may find it useful. Pashley (talk) 02:15, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I'd be for leaving it. I find it an interesting piece of reading. It certainly doesn't harm and it is not off topic.Danapit (talk) 15:14, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Having taught economics for a while, I think its a well written section. Probably should highlight the goal of bargaining is to reach a win-win position since buying is usually optional. Overall a good article.Altaihunters (talk) 07:54, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I think the third section is Wikipedia-worthy rather than Wikivoyage-worthy... giving a bit of context is OK, but maybe a single line would be enough to summarize what is expressed in the beginning of this section? For instance, say something like "bargaining is a mix of zero-sum game and non-zero-sum game (with 2 links to the 2 Wikipedia definitions), which means that XXX."
 * The two last paragraphs are good I think. Nicolas1981 (talk) 07:50, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I really do not see the point why the section should be deleted. It is well written, and it is written in a completely different way than the wp article |wp article is. This way is no doubt more suitable for a travel guide from a point of view of a non-economist. It leads you logically step by step to the relevance for bargaining, without any excessive details, while still keeping it understandable by giving examples, and you end up with the win-win outcome message. If anybody is really NOT interested at all, they can easily skip the part (like you can skip Drink session, for example, if you not interested in drinking and night life), it is not terribly long. Plus let's appreciate the effort that Pashley put into the section. Might that be a win-win outcome? ;) Danapit (talk) 08:55, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

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Merge
This seems like good information, but per Project:What is an article it should be merged to the appropriate city or region article (I'm not sure what that city or region would be though). -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:14, 29 June 2012 (EDT)

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Talk:Hsinchu

This article should probably be renamed to Hsinchu city. The HSR train stop is in Hsinchu county, not Hsinchu city.

 * If two or more places share the same name as in Hsinchu City and Hsinchu County, the most well known is identified by the simplest form of its name (ie. in this case: Hsinchu), while the other places are listed with a suffix (ie. in this case Hsinchu County). For further clarification, please take a look at this article: Project:Article naming conventions. Even though the station that serves the Hsinchu HSR is in the county, not the city, the name of the stop is Hsinchu. As in other places around the world that have an elevated HSR system, the station serving a metropolitan area is often outside the city, but it takes the name of city that it serves (for example Osaka station is quite far from the city, but it is still called as 'Osaka'), not the name of the town where it is located. I hope that helps clarify the matter. If you have further questions, please ask. Also, thanks for adding info to the Hsinchu article. Take it easy. (WT-en) WindHorse 04:17, 3 February 2007 (EST)

 * I have a real name now. It is my pleasure to help :) You are right, Hsinchu the city is more well known than the county :) I will add some more detail about the location of the HSR train stop to help any unwary travelers arriving by HSR.  At the moment it is quite desolate around the Hsinchu HSR station so people maybe shocked when they arrive expecting a "typical" Taiwanese city. --(WT-en) Myopiate 07:52, 4 February 2007 (EST)

 * Great, and if you have any questions, please feel free to leave a message on my Talk Page. (WT-en) WindHorse 08:00, 4 February 2007 (EST)

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TAT Listings
Just placing the TAT listings at Talk:Hua Hin/Listings for future reference, as they'd clutter the main page. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 22:59, 2 February 2010 (EST)

Centara Hotel?
Grand_old_hotels mentions this hotel but I do not see a listing here to link to. Pashley (talk) 09:01, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Hua Hin/Listings

=TAT Listings from Province Page=

Just placing the TAT listings here for future reference, they'd clutter the main page.

See
Hua Hin Town (ตัวเมืองหัวหิน) is 195 kilometres from Bangkok and 90 kilometres prior to Mueang Prachuap Khiri Khan. Hua Hin Market is a large venue of various restaurants, souvenir shops and hotels. It is easily accessible by Sam Lo – three-wheeled pedal vehicle, Song Thaeo - minibus and rental car service provided to the centre of the district or nearby places.

Chatchai Market (ตลาดฉัตรชัย) is an old market of Hua Hin, which is well-known among both domestic and international tourists, located by Phetchakasem Road in Hua Hin town. This market was built in 1926 after the royal initiative of King Rama VII on the occasion of his first royal visit to Klai Kangwon Palace with Queen Rambhai Barni. The Chatchai Royal Family, by General Prince Purachatra of Kambaengbejr, had the market constructed and presented it to the king. The structure of the market was made of reinforced concrete with a 7-curved roof, symbolising its construction during the reign of King Rama VII. Nowadays, it is a marketplace of souvenirs, as well as fresh and preserved food.

Hua Hin Night Market (ตลาดโต้รุ่งหัวหิน) presents the colours of Hua Hin’s nightlife and is a source of various kinds of food such as Thai dishes, seafood, Thai desserts, Roti, etc. Both Thai and foreign tourists usually visit this place. Moreover, there are plenty of souvenir shops located in this area. Hua Hin Railway Station (สถานีรถไฟหัวหิน) The unique feature of this place is Phlapphla Phra Monkutklao which is a royal pavilion in a cruciform plan. It was constructed during the reign of King Rama VI, was originally called as Phlapphla Sanam Chan and situated at the Sanam Chan Palace in Nakhon Pathom province. This pavilion was originally for the king to watch the Wild Tiger Corps and boy scouts from all over the country conduct annual military practices. After his reign, the State Railway of Thailand removed and kept it in order to commemorate His honourable deeds in 1968. Colonel Saeng Chunlacharit, the governor of the State Railway of Thailand during that time, realised that the pavilion should be reconstructed in Hua Hin to be the royal train platform for His Majesty the King. The reconstruction was done by Thai craftsmen. During its opening ceremony on 6 April, 1974, it was renamed “Phlapphla Phra Mongkutklao” on 6 April, 1974, by Her Royal Highness Princess Bejaratana Rajasuda Sirisobhabannavadi. This railway station is considered as a very famous venue of Hua Hin. Moreover, it is a place collecting an ancient steam engine that the State Railway of Thailand bought from England. This steam engine was in service during the period prior to World War II. Contact Hua Hin Railway Station at Tel. 0 3251 1073.

Hat Hua Hin (ชายหาดหัวหิน) is located in the east of the town. The path to the beach is on Damnoen Kasem Road. On its both sides lie hotels and souvenir shops. The beach is approximately 5 kilometres long and covered with delicate and white sand, suitable for swimming.

Khao Hin Lek Fai (เขาหินเหล็กไฟ) is located at Hua Hin sub-district, 3 kilometres to the west of Hua Hin town. It is a beautiful viewpoint to see the sunrise. The scenery can be admired in 4 directions. From this spot, the panoramic view of the town and Hua Hin Bay can be seen. Its summit comprises a beautiful plain and rock cliff. Moreover, there is a bird garden, a local handicraft centre, food and beverage shops, multi-purpose area abundant with plants in the literature located at its top. Besides, it is a place where the statue of King Rama VII stands. The appropriate period to visit this viewpoint is at dawn and dusk. Those wishing to use this area can contact the Hua Hin Municipality Office at Tel. 0 3251 1047.

Namtok Pa La-u (น้ำตกป่าละอู) is situated at Huai Sat Yai sub-district within the compound of Pa La-u forest, covering an area of 273,125 rai. It is abundant with verdant plants and various kinds of wild animals. Pa La-u is within the compound of Kaeng Krachan National Park and under the responsibility of the Namtok Pa La-u Ranger Station of the Department of National Park, Wildlife and Flora, situated 2 kilometres prior to the waterfall and near the reservoir. Namtok Pa La-u comprises Namtok La-u Yai and Namtok La-u Noi, beautifully cascading down the 11 different tiers. There is water running throughout the year and it is suitable for swimming. Moreover, it is an attraction where there are plenty of butterflies. The appropriate period to travel is during November to April and in the early morning due to the comfortable coolness and an opportunity to see a variety of wild animals, as well as, rare birds.

To get there:	From Hua Hin Market, there is an intersection on Phetchakasem Road to the west. Take Highway No. 3219 to the end of the road for approximately 63 kilometres. Turn right into Fa Prathan village and continue further for 4 kilometres. A Song Thaeo – mini bus can be rented for a round trip at Chom Sin Road for 800 Baht. Tourists will have to pay the entrance fee to the national park, which is 400 Baht for an adult and 200 Baht for a child. In the case that visitors would like to stay overnight, the park provides 15 bungalows: 1,200-3,000 Baht, tents for 2-4 persons: 120-250 Baht a night or a camping area: 30 Baht / person / night. Contact the Kaeng Krachan National Park Ranger Station at Huai Pa Lao, Hua Hin district, Prachuap Khiri Khan 77110 or the Kaeng Krachan National Park, Kaeng Krachan District, Phetchaburi, Tel. 0 3245 9293 or the Department of National Park, Wildlife and Flora, Bang Khen District, Bangkok, Tel. 0 2562 0760 or www.dnp.go.th.

Wat Huai Mongkhon (วัดห้วยมงคล) is situated at Thap Tai Sub-district where the grand image of Luangpho Thuat with an inscription of H.M. the Queen’s initials So Ko is enshrined. From the area, the surrounding scenery and the Tenasserim Range, bordering Thailand and Burma can be admired. To get there: From Hua Hin, take Highway No. 3218 (Nong Phlap – Pa La-u) for 14 kilometres to Thap Tai Sub-district, turn left at Nong Taphao Intersection and go further along the route to Wat Huai Mongkhon. It is open from 5.00 a.m. – 10.00 p.m. For further information, contact Tel. 0 3257 6187, 0 3257 6297.

San Phra Phrom (ศาลพระพรหม) is located on Maha Chai Hill, Nong Kae sub-district, 5 kilometres from Hua Hin town to the south. Dr. Phutsadi Chitchum had this shrine renovated. The renovation was completed in 1999. Its construction aims to present doctrines through symbols. It is open daily to the public. Besides, the scenery of the beach and town can be seen from this spot.

Khao Takiap, Khao Krailat (เขาตะเกียบ เขาไกรลาส) are two mountains standing side by side, 14 kilometres from Hua Hin district to the south. Turn left at Km. 235 of Phetchakasem Road for approximately 500 metres. From Hua Hin Market, there is a bus service between Hua Hin – Khao Krailat – Khao Takiap.

Khao Takiap is a beautiful cliff-hanging rock mountain projecting over the sea. Its summit is an enshrining place of a large standing Buddha image in the posture of persuading relatives from quarrelling, standing at the summit and facing towards the sea. There is a path to the top of the mountain, where visitors can clearly admire the scenery of the beach and Hua Hin town. Khao Takiap Beach is 1.5 kilometres long. It is not steep and full of delicate white sand. There are various restaurants, accommodation and souvenir shops along the beach.

Suan Son Pradiphat (สวนสนประดิพัทธ์) is 9 kilometres from Hua Hin along Phetchakasem Road. At the intersection at Km. 240 on Phetchakasem Road, turn right for 500 metres. There is a bus service provided every 20 minutes. Travelling by train, visitors can get off at the Suan Son Pradiphat stop. There is the Thon Buri – Prachuap Khiri Khan Route, departing at 1.10 p.m. and arriving at Suan Son at 6.10 p.m. (other express trains and rapid trains do not stop at this spot.) Suan Son Pradiphat is under the supervision of the Infantry Training Command, Pran Buri. There is accommodation in the forms of a hotel, bungalows, row houses, and houses provided. For further information, contact Tel.0 3253 6581-3 or Fax. 0 3253 6584.

Ko Singto (เกาะสิงห์โต) is approximately 800 metres on the east side of Suan Son Pradiphat. It is a small island in the shape of a lion crouching and facing to the north. It is suitable for those who like fishing. Tourists can rent a boat at Khao Takiap village. It takes 45 minutes to get here and costs 2,500 Baht/ a boat/ 5 persons. Otherwise, taking a boat for fishing and catching squid is 3,500 Baht/ a boat/ 10 persons. Contact Khun Noi at Tel. 0 3253 6079, 08 1705 9358.

Khao Tao (เขาเต่า) is located at Nong Kae sub-district, 13 kilometres from Hua Hin district. At the crossroads on Km. 243-244 on Phetchakasem Road, turn left and cross the railway track for approximately 1 kilometre to Wat Khao Tao. There is a bus service between Hua Hin - Pran Buri. Get off the bus at the entrance of the temple and continue with a motorbike. In case of travelling as a big group, it is more convenient for the visitors to rent a Song Taeo – minibus from Hua Hin town. Within the compound of Khao Tao, there are two nice and clean beaches; namely, Hat Sai Noi and Hat Sai Yai. Moreover, there is a small island near the coast. On the island are various kinds of shells piling up into layers, as well as, a large Buddha image facing towards the sea.

Thanarat Infantry Camp (ค่ายธนะรัชต์) is a military camp covering an area of approximately 600,000 rai, located on Phetchakasem Road, 237 kilometres from Bangkok (by taking the Thon Buri – Pak Tho Route). Within the camp’s compound, there is the Memorial Building of Field Marshall Sarit Thanarat, a collection venue of his biography, past works, clothes and personal belongings, the Orders and Decorations of Thailand and other countries, Infantry Museum, exhibiting ancient weapons of various periods, and Tha Sadet, located by the Pran Buri River in the west of the camp, 12 kilometres from Phetchakasem Road. It is a natural relaxation space, where there are decorative and flowering plants, as well as those in Thai literature, and adventurous activities such as tower jumping, cliff climbing, shooting, fishing, camping, etc. Thanarat Infantry Camp was granted the Award of Excellence for the Conservation and Preservation Organisation in the 2002 Thailand Tourism Awards due to its beautiful location, suitability for tourism, as well as, readiness in its organisation of attractive activities and its efficient system. (Visitors who wish to stay overnight in the camp should contact 2 weeks in advance). For further information, contact Thanarat Infantry Camp Tourism Office at Tel. 0 3262 1730, 0 3255 5158.

Golf
For tourists wishing to play a game of golf they go to nearby Hua Hin.

Golf Courses in Amphoe Hua Hin

 * Thavimuk Golf Par 3 (ทวิมุข กอล์ฟ พาร์ 3)   32/31 Phetkasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 3252 2571–2 Fax: 0 3251 2449 (9 holes)
 * Majestic Country Club (มาเจสติก คันทรี คลับ) 164 Mu 4 Tambon Thap Tai, Tel: 0 3252 0162-6, 0 1942 3619 Fax: 0 3261 9167 (18 holes)
 * Royal Hua Hin Golf Course (รอยัล หัวหิน กอล์ฟ คอร์ส), Tel: 0 3251 2475 (18 holes)
 * Golf Course Hua Hin (สนามกอล์ฟหัวหิน) Damnoen Kasem Road Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 3251 2475 (18 holes)

Spa
Spas in Hua Hin offer luxurious treatment which suits every budget. The treatment includes both traditional remedies and modern techniques. Facilities at spas in Hua Hin may also include a Jacuzzi and steam bath. Over the past few years these spas have become leaders in Thailand Many Spas in Hua Hin also offer traditional Thai healing arts as form of treatment. There is also alternative treatment such as Rishi. Resorts offer many detox programs. The most popular treatments are chi organ massage, karsai genital detox massage, deeper skin detox and herbal skin detox.

Hua Hin has a world class Chiva Som Resort and SPA. Focusing on greater well-being and vitality, Chiva-Som offers extensive fitness, spa and holistic health facilities to help you relax, restore and rejuvenate.

Spa in Amphoe Hua Hin
 * Anantara Resort and Spa Hua Hin (อนันตรา รีสอร์ท แอนด์ สปา หัวหิน) 45 Phetkasem Road, Tambon Bo Fai, Tel: 0 3252 0250-6 Fax: 0 3252 0260 www.anantara.com
 * Chivasom International and Resort (ชีวาศรม อินเตอร์เนชั่นเนล แอนด์ รีสอร์ท) 73/4 Phetkasem Road, Tambon Nong Kae, Tel: 0 3253 6536 Fax: 0 3251 1154, Bangkok Office Tel: 0 2381 4460-2, 0 2711 6900–12 Fax: 0 2381 5852 www. chivasom.com
 * Hua Hin Mariott Resort and Spa (หัวหิน แมริออท รีสอร์ท แอนด์ สปา) 107/1 Phetkasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 3251 1881-4 Bangkok office Tel: 0 2476 0021-2
 * Hilton Hua Hin Resort and Spa (ฮิลตัน หัวหิน รีสอร์ท แอนด์ สปา) 33/3 Naret Damri Road, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 3251 2879, 0 3251 2888, 0 3251 1612-4 Fax: 0 3251 1135 Bangkok Tel: 0 2264 0291-5
 * Sofitel Central Hua Hin (โซฟิเทล เซ็นทรัล หัวหิน) 1 Damnoen Kasem Road, Tel: 0 3251 2021-38, Bangkok Office Tel: 0 2541 1463, 0 2541 1125

Eat
Amphoe Hua Hin

 * Ban Isara (บ้านอิสระ) 7 Naeb Khehat Raod, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 3253 0574, 0 3251 1673, 0 3251 4517 (Seafood Mon-Fri 10.00 a.m.–10.00 p.m. Sat-Sun 11.30 a.m.–10.00 p.m.)
 * Ban Luk Sao (บ้านลูกสาว) Phetkasem Road, Tel: 0 3251 2366
 * Ban Pu Pen (บ้านปูเป็น) 33/4 Tambon Nong Kae, Tel: 0 3251 3751, 0 1332 1491 (Thai food open 09.00 a.m.–9.00 p.m.)
 * Chao Le (ชาวเล) 15 Naret Damri Road, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 3251 3436-7 Fax: 0 3253 0610 (Thai food open 10.00 a.m.–10.00 p.m.)
 * Charoen Photchana (เจริญโภชนา) Naret Damri Road, Tel: 0 3251 2168 (Thai food)
 * Chon Ngoen (ช้อนเงิน) 59/2 Phetkasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 3252 0341, 0 3252 0143 (Thai food open 9.00 a.m.–10.00 p.m.)
 * Hai Piang (ไฮ้เปียง) 6/7 Phetkasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 3251 1072, 0 3251 2070 Fax: 0 3251 3236 (open 9.00 a.m.–9.30 p.m.)
 * Jay Khiao (เจ๊เขียว) 42 Ta Kiap Road, Tambon Nong Kae, Tel: 0 3251 2233, 0 3253 6899, 0 3253 6900 Fax: 0 3251 4302 (Seafood open 10.00 a.m.–10.00 p.m.)
 * Khao Suai (ข้าวสวย) (Opposite to Golden Place Hua Hin) Phetkasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 1863 9481 (Thai food)

Sleep
Amphoe Hua Hin

 * A & B Guesthouse (เอ แอนด์ บี เกสท์เฮ้าส์) 113/16-17 Phetkasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin (Tel & Fax: 0 3251 2711), 6 rooms: 500-700 baht
 * All Nation (ออลเนชั่น) 10/1 Dechanuchit Road, 11 rooms: 100-500 baht
 * Anantara Resort and Spa Hua Hin (อนันตรา รีสอร์ท แอนด์ สปา หัวหิน) 43/1 Phetkasem Road, Tambon Bo Fai (Tel: 0 3252 0250-6 Fax: 0 3252 0260 www.anantara.com), 181 rooms: 4,943-11,299 baht
 * Ba Yan (บาหยัน) (close to Baan Chan Chai) 119 Phetkasem Road (Tel: 0 2636 6588, 0 3253 3544 Fax: 0 2636 6590, 0 3253 3545 www.baanbayan.com), 21 rooms: 4,500-13,000 baht
 * Ban Noen Tha-le (บ้านเนินทะเล) Khao Takiap Village 144/7 Baan Noen Tha-le, Nong Kae-Khao Takiap Road (Tel: 0 3251 1288), 18 rooms: 1,500-2,500 baht
 * Ban Phak Loong Daeng (บ้านพักลุงแดง ป่าละอู) 15 Mu 1 Tambon Huai Sak Yai (Tel: 0 1943 9808, 0 1364 6593, 0 6035 3123), 5 houses: 500-3,000 baht (Tents are available 150-200 baht/night).
 * Ban Phak Phoen (บ้านพักเพื่อน) 4ก Soi Binthabat, Poon, Suk Road, Tambon Hua Hin (Tel: 0 3253 2156, 0 3251 2344 Fax: 0 3253 2156), 12 rooms: 150–500 baht

Hat Khao Takiap (14 km south of Hua Hin)

 * Anantasila (อนันตศิลา) 33/15 Nong Kae-Takiap Road, Ban Hua Don, Tambon Hua Hin (Tel: 0 3251 1879, 0 3253 6364 Fax: 0 3251 5914 Bangkok Office Tel: 0 2222 3788), 82 rooms and bungalows: 1,800-7,500 baht
 * Ban Khachthong (บ้านคชาทอง) 214 Phetkasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin (Tel: 0 3253 3644), 10 rooms: 690-890 baht
 * Baan Duangkaew (บ้านดวงแก้ว) 83/158 Soi Tha le 12, Hua Hin-Takiap Road, Tambon Nong Kae (Tel: 0 3251 5770, 0 3253 6460, 0 3253 6459 Fax: 0 3251 5532 www.baanduangkaewhuahin.com), 19 rooms: 1,800-3,000 baht
 * Ban Sabai Jai (บ้านสบายใจ) 3/9 Takiap Road, Khao Takiap, Tambon Nong Kae (Tel: 0 3253 6036, 0 1333 0009 Fax: 0 3253 6037 Bangkok Office Tel: 0 2745 8550 Fax: 0 2745 8566 www.baansabaijai.com), 11 rooms: 2,800-6,500 baht
 * Baan Talay Dao Resort Hua Hin (บ้านทะเลดาว รีสอร์ท หัวหิน) 2/10 Soi Takiap Village, Phetkasem Road, Tambon Nong Kae (Tel: 0 3253 6024–30, 0 1845 2809 Fax: 0 3253 6031 Bangkok Office Tel: 0 2751 6854, 0 2751 8068 Fax: 0 2751 6853 www.baantalaydao.com), 38 rooms: 2,500-12,000 baht

Souvenir Shops

 * Khommaphat (โขมพัตถ์) 218 Phetkasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 3251 1250, 0 3251 3506 (Batik)
 * Ko.Kai (ก.ไก่) Dechanuchit Road, Tambon Hua Hin (Wood Products)
 * Tud Tu (ตุ๊ดตู๋) 55 Dechanuchit Road, Tambon Hua Hin (Resin Products)
 * Thai Kasem (ไทยเกษม) 41-43 Phetkasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 3251 1271 (Silk)
 * Pla (ปลา) Naret Damri Road, Tambon Hua Hin (Clothes)
 * Phanom Korn (พนมกร) 59/1 Dechanuchit Road, Tambon Hua Hin (Antiques)
 * Phai Boon (ไพบูลย์) Dechanuchit Road, Tambon Hua Hin (Silk, Antique)
 * Lam Yai Phanit (ลำใยพานิช) Dechanuchit Road, Tambon Hua Hin (Ceramic)
 * Hua Hin Than Samai (หัวหินทันสมัย) Phetkasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin
 * Waraphon (วราพร) (Near Golden Place) 11/98 Near Soi Hua Hin 39, Phetkasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 03251 1251

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 22:56, 2 February 2010 (EST)

=TAT Listings from City Page=

By car
Car rentals are available, and this can be convenient if you're comfortable driving in Thailand.

 * 191 Avis in Thailand (191 เอวิส อิน ไทยแลนด์) Hua Hin airport / Hilton Hotel / Hyatt Regency Hotel / Sofitel Hotel Tel: 0 3253 1238, 0 3251 2888, 0 3252 1234, 0 3251 2021, E-Mail: res@evisthailand.com
 * Car & motorbike hire (คาร์เร้นท์ แอนด์ มอเตอร์ไบค์ ไฮร์) Opposite the Red Cross Tel: 08 1449 1996, 08 1637 4051
 * F.K. Car Rent & Cargo (เอฟ.เค. คาร์เร้นท์ แอนด์ คาร์โก้) Grand Plaza Hua Hin & Pavillion Village Hua Hin Tel: 08 1502 8491, 08 1743 100

Sport

 * Dragon Hills Golf & Country Club (ดราก้อน ฮิลส์ กอล์ฟ แอนด์ คันทรีคลับ) 192 Mu 2, Ang Hin, Pak Tho, Ratchaburi 70150 Tel: 0 3226 1206, Fax: 0 3226 1205
 * Hua Hin Seoul Country Club (หัวหิน โซล คันทรีคลับ) 174 Mu 1, Pranburi, Prachuab Khiri Khan 77120 Tel: 0 3257 2441
 * Imperial Lake View Hotel & Golf Club (อิมพีเรียล เลค วิว โอเต็ล แอนด์ กอล์ฟคลับ) 80 Mu 4, Hubkrapong-Pranburi Highway, Cha Am, Phetchaburi 76120 Tel: 0 3245 6233-39 Fax: 0 3245 6298, Email: lakeview@imperialhotels.com
 * Majestic Creek Country Club (มาเจสติค ครีก คันทรีคลับ) 164 Mu 4 Taptai, Hua Hin, Prachuab Khiri Khan 77110 Tel: 0 3252 0162-6 Fax: 0 3252 0477
 * Palm Hills Golf Resort & Country Club (ปาล์ม ฮิลส์ กอล์ฟ รีสอร์ท แอนด์ คันทรีคลับ) 1444 Phetkasem Road, Cha-am, Phetchburi 76120 Tel: 0 3252 0801-9 Fax: 0 3252 0820, Email: info@palmhills-golf.com, Website: www.palmhills-golf.com
 * Royal Hua Hin Golf Course (รอยัล หัวหิน กอล์ฟ คอร์ส) Hua Hin Town, Parchuab Khiri Khan 77110 Tel: 0 3251 2475
 * Springfield Royal Country Club of Cha-am (สปริงฟิลล์ รอยัล คันทรีคลับ ออฟ ชะอำ) 193 Mu 6 Phetchasakem Road, Cha-am, Petchaburi 76120 Tel: 0 3259 3223 Fax: 0 3259 3227, Email: playgolf@springfieldresort.com,

Eat

 * Baan Monta Restaurant (บ้านมณฑา เรสเตอร์รอง) 51 Dechanuchit Road (Thai Food and Sedfood)
 * Ban Isara (บ้านอิสระ) 7 Naeb Khehat Raod, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 3253 0574, 0 3251 1673, 0 3251 4517 (Seafood Mon-Fri 10.00PM–10.00PM Sat-Sun 11.30PM–10.00PM)
 * Ban Luk Sao (บ้านลูกสาว) Phetkasem Road, Tel: 0 3251 2366
 * Ban Nong Kae (บ้านน้องเก๋) Petchkassem Road (Thai Food)
 * Ban Pu Pen (บ้านปูเป็น) 33/4 Tambon Nong Kae, Tel: 0 3251 3751, 0 1332 1491 (Thai food open 09.00PM–9.00PM)
 * Brasserie de Paris (บราซซีรีย์ เดอ ปารีส) 3 Naresdamri Road (French Food)
 * Chao Le (ชาวเล) 15 Naret Damri Road, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 3251 3436-7 Fax: 0 3253 0610 (Thai food open 10.00PM–10.00PM)
 * Charoen Photchana (เจริญโภชนา) Naret Damri Road, Tel: 0 3251 2168 (Thai food)
 * Chon Ngoen (ช้อนเงิน) 59/2 Phetkasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 3252 0341, 0 3252 0143 (Thai food open 9.00PM–10.00PM)
 * Hagi Japanese Restaurant (ฮาจิ เจแปนนิส เรสเตอร์รอง) 1 Damnernkasem Road (Japanese Food)
 * Hai Piang (ไฮ้เปียง) 6/7 Phetkasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 3251 1072, 0 3251 2070 Fax: 0 3251 3236 (open 9.00PM–9.30PM)
 * Jay Khiao (เจ๊เขียว) 42 Ta Kiap Road, Tambon Nong Kae, Tel: 0 3251 2233, 0 3253 6899, 0 3253 6900 Fax: 0 3251 4302 (Seafood open 10.00PM–10.00PM)
 * Ketsarin Restaurant (เกศรินทร์ เรสเตอร์รอง) 17/1 Naresdamri Road (International Food and Sedfood)
 * Khao Suai (ข้าวสวย) (Opposite to Golden Place Hua Hin) Phetkasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 1863 9481 (Thai food)
 * Khao Niao Mamuang Pa Jeua (ข้าวเหนียวมะม่วงป้าเจือ) 118 Naret Damri Road, Tel: 0 3251 1704 (Mangoes with sticky rice open 7.30PM–7.00PM)
 * Khao Niao Mamuang Mee Chai (ข้าวเหนียวมะม่วงมีชัย) 57 Phetkasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 3251 1035 (Mangoes with sticky rice open 7.00PM–9.00PM)
 * Korawik (กรวิก) 4/7 Naeb Khehat Road, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 3251 4516 Fax: 0 3251 4517 (Noodle, Thai Food open 10.00PM–12.00PM)
 * Ko Thi (โกทิ) 61/1 Phetkasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 3251 1252 (Seafood open 11.00PM–4.30PM and 6.00PM-10.00PM )
 * La Mer (ลา แม) (On Khao Takiap), Tambon Nong Kae, Tel: 0 3253 6205 (Seafood open 10.00PM-10.00PM)
 * Let’s Sea (เลทซ์ ซี) 83/155 Soi Tha-le, Khao Takiap-Hua Hin Road, Tambon Nong Kae, Tel: 0 3253 6022 (Thai Food and Seafood, Sun-Thu 11.00PM–11.00PM Fri-Sat 11.00PM–12.00PM)
 * Maharaja (มหาราชา) 25 Naresdamri Road (Northern Indian food open 11:00PM – 11.00PM)
 * Mi Karuna (มีกรุณา) 26 Naret Damri Road, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 3251 1932, 0 1880 7522 Fax: 0 3253 0103 (Thai Food open 11.00PM-11.00PM)
 * Nern Chalet, (เนินชเล เขาตะเกียบ) 144/7 Nongkae-Takiab Rd., Hua-Hin, Prachuab Khiri Khan, Thailand 77110, Phone: +66(0)32-511-288 Fax:: +66(0)32-536-050 (Thai and Western Cuisine)Open 7.00AM - 10.00PM or special requested can be arranged.
 * Orchids French & Thai Restaurant (ออร์คิด เฟรนช์ แอนด์ ไทย เรสเตอร์รอง) 110/1 Naresdamri Road (French and Thai Food)
 * Saeng Thai (แสงไทย) Naret Damri Road, Tambon Hua Hin, Tel: 0 3251 2144, 0 3251 2867 (Seafood open 9.00PM-10.00PM)
 * Sailom (สายลม) (in Sailom Hotel) 29 Phetkasem Road, Tel: 0 3251 1890-1 Fax: 0 3251 2047 (open 7.00PM-10.30PM)
 * Sasi (ศศิ) 83/159 Tambon Nong Kae, Tel: 0 3251 2488, 0 1693 2096 Fax 0 3251 2488 www.sasi-restaurant.com (Thai food, Seafood open 11.00PM–10.00PM) Thai Classical Dance Show on *Mondays, Wednesdays, Saturdays at 7.00PM
 * Supatra by the Sea (สุภัทรา ริมทะเล) 122/63 Soi.Mubaan Khao Ta Kiap, Tambon Nong Kae, Tel: 0 3253 6561-2 Fax:: 0 3253 6560 E-mail: info@supatrabythesea.com (Seafood Thai food open 11.00PM–11.00PM)
 * Taj Mahal (ทัช มาฮาล) 31/1 Naresdamri Road (International Food and Seafood)

Buy
Where to shop in Hua Hin

 * Art Gallery (อาร์ท แกลลอรี่) 41/91 Thavorn Village 5 Soi Mooban Noi, Nongplub Road, Hua Hin Tel. 032-516314, 081-8905786 (Pictures)
 * Gaw Gai Shop (ร้านกอไก่) 2/1 Dechanuchit Road, Hua Hin (Ceramics, Wooden Bric-a-Brac and Lamps)
 * Hua Hin Arts & Crafts Center (หัวหิน อาร์ท แอนด์ คราฟส์ เซนเตอร์) Naepkhehat Road (Paintings, Sculptures, Handicrafts, Antique Furniture and Historical Pictures)
 * Hua Hin Gallery Orient (หัวหิน แกลลอรี่ โอเรียนท์) 7/14 Sra-Song Road, Hua Hin, Thai handicrafts, wood products and numerous antiques.
 * Phaiboon (ไพบูรย์) 56/1-4 Dechanuchit Road, Hua Hin (Handicrafts)

Drink

 * Billy’s Bar & Restaurant (บิลลี่บาร์ แอนด์ เรสเตอร์รอง) Hua Hin Bazaar (Pub and Restaurant)
 * Blue Angel Cabaret (บลู แองเจิล คาบาเร่) Soi Bintaban, A nightly transvestite show at 20:00 and 21:45 and a midnight show on weekends (Show)
 * Crawford's Irish Bar (คราวฟอร์ด ไอริช บาร์) Poolsuk Road (Pub)
 * Hua Hin Brewing Company Bar (หัวหิน บริววิ่ง คอมพานี บาร์) next to Hilton Hua Hin Resort & Spa (Disco)
 * Johnnie Walkers Sports & Music Bar (จอห์นนี่ วอคเกอร์ สปอร์ต แอนด์ มิวสิคบาร์) Selakam Road (Pub)
 * Jungle Juice (จังเกิล จูซ) Selakam Road (Pub)
 * P and P Bar (พี แอนด์ พี บาร์) Poolsuk Road
 * Octopussy (ออคโตพูซซี่) Selakam Road (Bar)

Sleep
Amphoe Hua Hin

 * A & B Guesthouse (เอ แอนด์ บี เกสท์เฮ้าส์) 113/16-17 Phetkasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin (Tel & Fax: 0 3251 2711), 6 rooms: 500-700 baht
 * All Nation (ออลเนชั่น) 10/1 Dechanuchit Road, 11 rooms: 100-500 baht
 * Anantara Resort and Spa Hua Hin (อนันตรา รีสอร์ท แอนด์ สปา หัวหิน) 43/1 Phetkasem Road, Tambon Bo Fai (Tel: 0 3252 0250-6 Fax: 0 3252 0260 ), 181 rooms: 4,943-11,299 baht
 * Ba Yan (บาหยัน) (close to Baan Chan Chai) 119 Phetkasem Road (Tel: 0 2636 6588, 0 3253 3544 Fax: 0 2636 6590, 0 3253 3545 ), 21 rooms: 4,500-13,000 baht
 * Ban Noen Tha-le (บ้านเนินทะเล) Khao Takiap Village 144/7 Baan Noen Tha-le, Nong Kae-Khao Takiap Road (Tel: 0 3251 1288), 18 rooms: 1,500-2,500 baht
 * Ban Phak Loong Daeng (บ้านพักลุงแดง ป่าละอู) 15 Mu 1 Tambon Huai Sak Yai (Tel: 0 1943 9808, 0 1364 6593, 0 6035 3123), 5 houses: 500-3,000 baht (Tents are available 150-200 baht/night).
 * Ban Phak Phoen (บ้านพักเพื่อน) 4ก Soi Binthabat, Poon, Suk Road, Tambon Hua Hin (Tel: 0 3253 2156, 0 3251 2344 Fax: 0 3253 2156), 12 rooms: 150–500 baht
 * Ban Busarin (บ้านบุษรินทร์) 8/8 Phunsuk Road (Tel: 0 3251 2076), 10 rooms: 800 baht
 * Ban Floulay (บ้านฟลูเล) 110/1 Naret Damri Road, Tambon Hua Hin (Tel: 0 3251 3670 Fax: 0 3253 0320), 9 rooms: 750 baht
 * Ban Somboon (บ้านสมบุญ) 13/4 Soi Kasemsan, Damrikasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin (Tel: 0 3251 1538 Fax: 0 3251 1538), 13 rooms: 400–800 baht
 * Best L.D. Hotel (เบสท์ แอล ดี) 236 Phetakasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin (Tel: 0 3251 2429 Fax: 0 3251 3507), 37 rooms: 200–500 baht
 * Bird Guesthouse (เบิร์ด เกสต์เฮาส์) 31/2 Naret Damri Road, Tambon Hua Hin (Tel: 0 3251 1630 Fax: 0 3251 1630), 10 rooms: 350–600 baht
 * Chiva-Som International Health Resort (ชีวาศรม) 73/4 Petchkasem Road, Hua Hin Prachuab Khirikhan, 77110 Thailand (Tel: 0 3253 6536 Fax: 0 3251 1154 Email: reservation@chivasom.com website: )
 * Haven Huahin Resort (ฮาเว่น) 1449 Chala Samut Rd. 46 rooms and 7 private villas

Hat Khao Takiap (14 km south of Hua Hin)

 * Anantasila (อนันตศิลา) 33/15 Nong Kae-Takiap Road, Ban Hua Don, Tambon Hua Hin (Tel: 0 3251 1879, 0 3253 6364 Fax: 0 3251 5914 Bangkok Office Tel: 0 2222 3788), 82 rooms and bungalows: 1,800-7,500 baht
 * Ban Khachthong (บ้านคชาทอง) 214 Phetkasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin (Tel: 0 3253 3644), 10 rooms: 690-890 baht
 * Baan Duangkaew (บ้านดวงแก้ว) 83/158 Soi Tha le 12, Hua Hin-Takiap Road, Tambon Nong Kae (Tel: 0 3251 5770, 0 3253 6460, 0 3253 6459 Fax: 0 3251 5532 ), 19 rooms: 1,800-3,000 baht
 * Ban Sabai Jai (บ้านสบายใจ) 3/9 Takiap Road, Khao Takiap, Tambon Nong Kae (Tel: 0 3253 6036, 0 1333 0009 Fax: 0 3253 6037 Bangkok Office Tel: 0 2745 8550 Fax: 0 2745 8566 ), 11 rooms: 2,800-6,500 baht
 * Baan Talay Dao Resort Hua Hin (บ้านทะเลดาว รีสอร์ท หัวหิน) 2/10 Takiap Road (Tel: 0 3253 6024–30, 0 1845 2809 Fax: 0 3253 6031 ), 38 rooms: 2,500-12,000 baht
 * Baan Thai Resort (บ้านไทยรีสอร์ท) 13/36-40 Ban Hua Don, Nong Kae (Tel: 0 3251 2181 Fax: 0 3251 5899 ), 20 rooms: 1,000-1,800 baht
 * Casa del Mare, Hua Hin (กาซา เดล มาเร หัวหิน) 25/2 Phetkasem Road, Tambon Hua Hin (Tel: 0 3251 9061-6 Fax: 0 3251 9099  www.casadelmare.net, E-mail: info@casadelmare.net), 36 rooms: 5,000 baht
 * Guesthouse Hua Hin (เกสท์เฮ้าส์ หัวหิน) 1/30 Soi Khieng Tha-le, Takiap Road, Tambon Nong Kae (Tel: 0 3251 5568, 0 3251 5968 Fax: 0 3251 2746  E-mail: rsvn@guesthousehuahin.com), 19 rooms: 600-1,000 baht
 * Sand Inn Hotel 38/1-4 Poolsuk Road, 1000-2500 Baht

Hotels and Resorts with Spas

 * Anantara Resort & Spa (Mandara Spa) 43/1 Petchakasem Road, Hua Hin, Prachuab Khiri Khan 77110 (Tel: 0 3252 0250 Fax: 0 3252 0259)
 * Chiva-Som International Health Resort (ชีวาศรม) 73/4 Petchkasem Road, Hua Hin Prachuab Khirikhan, 77110 Thailand (Tel: 0 3253 6536 Fax: 0 3251 1154 Email: reservation@chivasom.com website: )
 * Evason Hua Hin & Six Senses Spa 9 Mu 3 Paknampran Beach, Pranburi, Prachuap Khiri Khan 77220 (Tel: 0 3263 2111 Fax: 0 3263 2112)
 * Hilton Hua Hin Resort & Spa 33/3 Naresdamri Road, Hua Hin, Prachuab Khiri Khan 77110 (Tel: 0 3251 2888, Fax: 0 3251 1135)
 * The Imperial Hua Hin Beach Resort 11/66 Liab Wang Rd., Hua-Hin Prachuap Khiri Khan 77110 (Tel: 0 3252 0162-6)
 * Hua Hin Marriott Resort & Spa (Mandara Spa) 107/1 Petchakasem Rod, Hua Hin, Prachuab Khiri Khan 77110 (Tel: 0 3251 1881 Fax: 0 3251 2422)
 * Sofitel Central Hua Hin Resort (Centara Spa) 1 Damnernkasem Road, Hua Hin, Prachuab Khirikhan 77110 (Tel: 0 3251 2021-38 Fax: 0 3251 1014)
 * Springfield Village Spa (สปริงฟิลล์ วิลเลจ สปา) 193 Mu 6 Phetchasakem Road, Cha-am, Petchaburi 76120 Tel: 0 3259 3222, Fax: 0 3259 3260
 * Wora Bura Resort & Spa 83/199 Soi Moo Baan Nonggare, T. Nonggare, Hua Hin, Prachuap Khiri Khan,  77110 Tel: 66 (0) 3253 6999 Fax: 66 (0) 3253 6752 www.worabura.com

Stay healthy
Hua Hin has many medical centers but for anything serious it is advised to go to nearby Phetchaburi or even Bangkok.

 * Cha-am Hospital (โรงพยาบาลชะอำ) Tel: 0 3247 1808
 * Dental 2000 (เดนทัล 2000) 20/45, Petchkasem Road, Hua Hin 77110, Tel: 0 3253 6957 Fax: 0 3253 6958
 * Dr Sumet Clinic (คลีนิคดร.สุเมธ) 87/5 Petchkasem Road opposite soi 80 Tel: 0 3253 3404 (Open Monday - Friday 07.30-12.00 and 16.00-21.00 and Saturday 08.00-12.00 and 16.00-21.00)
 * Ear, Nose and Throat Clinic (คลีนิคหู จมูก คอ) Petchkasem Road
 * Hua Hin International Polyclinic (หัวหิน อินเตอร์เนชั่นแนล โพลีคลีนิค) Petchkasem Road Tel: 0 3251 6424
 * Hua Hin Hospital (โรงพยาบาลหัวหิน) Tel: 0 3252 0401
 * Hua Hin Red Cross (สถานีกาชาดหัวหิน) Tel: 0 3251 2567
 * Petcharat Hospital (โรงพยาบาลเพชรรัตน์) 45 minutes from Hua Hin Tel: 0 3241 7070-8
 * Pranburi Hospital (โรงพยาบาลปราณบุรี) 25km south of Hua Hin Tel: 0 3261 2757
 * San Paulo Hospital (โรงพยาบาลเซนต์เปาโล) Petchkasem Road Tel: 0 3253 2576-85 (Dental and Physiotherapy Clinics)

Stay safe
As the King has a palace here, the security in Hua Hin is very tight, with a lot of cops around.

 * Tourist Police Their office is located at the end of Damnoen Kasem Road, right at the main entrance to the beach. Tel 1155.

 * Hua Hin Police The police station is situated on Damnoen Kasem Road, opposite the CAT offices and Post Office. Tel 032 511027. Emergency numbers are 191 (police), 195 (crime), 199 (fire).

 * Tourist Offices The Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT) was established in 1960 to promote tourism to the country. The first office was in Chiang Mai and there are now 22 local offices throughout the country. TAT also maintains a presence overseas, now having 15 offices worldwide.

 * Hua Hin Immigration Office Call +66 32 526-556

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 21:13, 21 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Huancayo

Licence
I do not beliece this article can be Dual licenced. So I removed the note:
 *  Licence note: The author explicitly agrees to publication under the terms of the GFDL.

This was put on by User:(WT-en) Hansm, however User:(WT-en) Hansm was not the only, or first, contributor to the page. As Wikivoyage submissions are released under a CC by SA licence I presume the claim is invalid as User:(WT-en) Hansm is not the original or sole contributor. -- (WT-en) Huttite 20:01, 27 Mar 2005 (EST)

External Link huancayo.info
Hard to say wether the linked site is offical or not. There is no webmaster info given, but the content is some kind of tourist info. The pages itselves don't look like commercial pages and don't contain no advertisement, but there are commercial popups linked. Another link at the top of the pages goes to a local newspaper. -- (WT-en) Hansm 20:27, 10 Nov 2005 (EST)

Train between Lima
My info is 2 years old, but in 2003, the train connection to Lima has been shut down. -- (WT-en) Hansm 20:48, 10 Nov 2005 (EST)

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Talk:Huangshan

Thanks for moving this page here to Huangshan, as no one calls it Mount Huangshan. --(WT-en) Rogerhc 20:33, 21 June 2007 (EDT)

the image is huge --(WT-en) Romeoenchanted 06:45, 6 May 2008 (EDT) great fix --(WT-en) Romeoenchanted 09:49, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Map?
Currently the geo tag is 30.3, 118.13 which points to something labelled "Huangshan Qu"; 'qu" means district. However, down about 29.7, 118.3 is something labelled "Huangshan". Should it point there instead? Do we need some text about the difference? Pashley (talk) 02:55, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Huaraz

Someone should include a section for "Precautions while selecting trekking tours", as a number of tourists are too trusting and get ripped off or physically hurt due to equipment failure. This is a direct response to a number of posts regarding Andy Martinez (Blue Mountain), which have since been removed as 'false', but are in fact legitimate and verifiable by legal testimonials made by tourists whom I have consulted. I can personally validate this feedback which implicates Andy Martinez (Blue Mountain) and is a direct cause of his negative reputation among the UIAA - International Mountaineering and Climbing Federation.

Travel essay posted by anonymous user
Maybe someone can mine this for good info, but it can't go on the main page in this form. (WT-en) Jonboy 10:39, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)

Having a limited amount of time in Huaraz, we had originally planned to go on a 2 day/1 night gallavant with a guide up into the mountains and some of the local lakes but we came across a genius company called "BLUE MOUNTAIN" who basically told us not to bother with a guide and to do it ourselves! They would provide us with all the equipment and transportation to the start of the hike and the rest was up to us! All very exciting...we got our little tent, sleeping bags, pots & pans and a stove and went shopping for our supplies! Oh yes...'fanny' tuna, beans & sausages in tins (of course!), instant noodles, marshmallows for toasting and a carton of vino! What more could you want! So the next day early doors, we jumped in the minibus and headed up into the mountains for 3 hours passing mountain villages and approaching some of the most stunning scenery we've seen so far! We arrived at the start of the walk and then the altitude really hit...we were literally one foot infront of the other all the way up and Paul especially as he was carrying the majority of the stuff! We passed stunning waterfalls and had huge glaciars infront of us all the way up...the last stretch was the hardest especially as we thought we'd actually reached our final destination only to find another huge switchback climb infront of us...finally though with big smiles on our faces and no air in our lungs we reached the most stunning glaciar lake...bright turquoise offset by a huge snow & ice covered glaciar! WOW...it wasn't just the altitude that left us breathless! We stayed up there about an hour...took lots of photos and then headed back down to where we started the walk at lower altitude to set up camp for the night! Paul was so knackered bless him that I erected the camp and cooked dinner! Yep..he really was knackered...I even had to start the marshmallows on my own...until he had a new lease of life just after I'd gone to sleep! timing or what? The next morning we started to make our way steadily down past 2 more beautiful lakes with even more amazing views! Highlight of the morning was watching Paul jump over the numerous little streams infact 6 in total until it all went horribly wrong but highly amusing when he jumped nipple deep into a freezing cold stream! It was like seeing something in slow motion...he quickly looked round just to see if I had seen or not and then dripping wet scrambled out and went on defiantly! We met up a little way down the road where he had everything laid out to dry!! Hee Hee! After getting stared out by a scary cow, we hailed a minivan and started the journey back to Huaraz...only for the driver to stop 5 minutes after we'd got in for lunch! Fair enough so we abandoned ship and squashed into the next bus that came past...6 adults & a child on the back seat! Definitely cosy! Just as we arrived into Yungay, we got a flat tyre which involved another wait for an hour & a half while they tried to change it resorting to a pickaxe???, so once again we abandoned ship and jumped in a collectivo along with a drunk local (Paul didn't like him as he nicked his leg room...I didn't mind him as he called me pretty or 'linda' as Dave will tell you! Paul reckons that shows how much beer he'd had!!! Awwww! Poor me...see what I have to put up with!) So all in all a journey that should have take 3 hours, took 6 but it was a great journey and what else could we do when we got back but eat cake!

recomendation
say thank you to andy martinez (blue mountain peru) for their professionalism and support, we did 2 walks and 2 mountains with his company and it was good, we also explain how to do other things on our own, once again thank you very much andy Ignore those people who want cheap stuff and then ask more than what they pay, we saw many things with you, we believe that people who want something good has to pay well if not better ask the young people who write or put their above complaints, congratulations andy go ahead!

clarification
First: my name andy martinez diaz, graduate in tourism and student tourism official trekking guide and owner of Blue Mountain Peru "

Second: I am not a mountain guide as he says in his post. i am student for be guide for trekking i never say that i am mountain guide

third: my company is not working for over a year and a half in huaraz city, we operate in Cuzco, Arequipa, Puno and Bolivia respectively over one year and a half

four: take action against the person doing this in the city of Huaraz in our old offices.

fifth: take action against the site and that undermines my professionalism as a trekking guide and a degree in tourism.

sixth: is not the only person who says this is why now I am traveling to the city of Huaraz to clarify all these issues and see this bad situation, Huaraz is also a good German market with the only work.

seventh: below the recommendations offered to our company we do not deserve it because we do not operate in Huaraz and I repeat

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Talk:Huddersfield

Largest branch of Zenneca
I heard Huddersfield boasts the largest branch of Zenneca (by site area). This is a dirty great chemical works specialising the development manufacture of paint and textile dyes, on the South East side of town near the delightful new waste disposal incineration facility.

...Hmmmm perhaps we'd better not include this info in the article :-) -- (WT-en) Harry Wood 11:59, 23 Feb 2005 (EST)

 * Actually we should. This is not Wikipropaganda, and if a place is a dump it should be called one. (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:26, 23 Feb 2005 (EST)

 * I guess you haven't been to Huddersfield, as we locals would not consider it to be a dump. The site you refer to is a few miles out to the North East of the town, thus with the prevailing south westerlies and strict emission controls it does not casue any issues for this fine northern town (see Mann's Model for urban planning). - annon 17:34, 3 July 2006

 * I grew up near Huddersfield. I don't want to describe it as a dump. In fact it isn't a dump. Not really. Just some parts. I dont think it would be wikipropaganda to ommit mention these things. Any other tourist guide would gloss over the bad bits. I was just mentioning it on this talk page because I do find it kind of difficult (and comical) to think of Huddersfield as a tourist destination. You can see that ugly-ass incinerator chimeney in the photo Image:UK-Huddersfield.jpg. It's huge! Can't beleive they allowed it to be built.
 * But you're right. Huddersfield does have its charms
 * -- (WT-en) Harry Wood 07:45, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

TODO
Some things we could add: I'll may get around to doing these myself at some point, as repentance for the above discussion :-) -- (WT-en) Harry Wood 07:45, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Mention the victorian town hall building (music concerts. nice ceiling)
 * Mention the contemporary music festival (if it's still on annually?)
 * more photos
 * textile mills
 * the train station facade
 * the open market

Bus Service to Manchester
I am interested to find out, if anybody would be interested in me putting 2 newish buses with wi fi/ internet velour/leather seats and tinted glass. to go in the morning from Huddersfield/ Holmfirth via Ashton to Manchester limited stop? A couple of factors brought me to this 1. Rising road tax and Insurance, added costs to buying a decent car to make the return journey 5 times a week, and 2. Increasing amount of traffic, using the A635 which a very open road, that when you are weary will allow a dozing driver to go off road Then of course, to return at tea time, those 2 buses. The advantages of using these buses, would allow your work to continue on you journey home. Continue your Facebook conversation with your friends etc, all with mobile internet on my bus! What do you think?

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Talk:Hudson (Quebec)

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Comments
From this and other articles, I get the impression that Hudson was more part of Outaouais rather than being a district of Montreal itself, as the Montreal article does not indicate Hudson is a district of the city. The Hudson article reads like it is a separate community. The article name is another indicator. It is a bit of a guess on my part as I cannot place things exactly from what has been written so far. Please feel free to correct if I am wrong. - (WT-en) Huttite 06:44, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

Technically, it is part of the "Monteregie" region, since it is not on the island of Montreal. This can be confusing for tourists, since Hudson is west of Montreal, while the rest of the Monteregie is south of Montreal. Anyway, I will try to make the article a bit clearer as to its location. (WT-en) Galteglise 09:49, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Mid-Hudson and Catskills

Links moved from main article
''The below links have been removed from the main article because they do not follow the guidelines in Project:External links. Any information on the below linked pages should be integrated into the artile itself, respecting copyrights, of course. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 11:24, 24 Nov 2005 (EST)''

These are external links to tourism agencies and other trip-planning resources specifically for the Hudson Valley.
 * Historic Hudson Valley owns or operates six historic sites in the valley. Its web site provides a trip planner and maps of the region.
 * Hudson Valley Tourism suggests must-see sites within each county in the Hudson Valley and provides a link to each county's tourism office web site.
 * The Hudson River Valley National Heritage Area website provides information on Hudson River Valley Heritage Sites, by region and interest.
 * Hudson River Valley Institute is the academic arm of the Hudson River Valley National Heritage Area. Its web site provides contact information for local chambers of commerce, historical societies, and other sources of information. It provides articles ranging from regional history to local architecture. See also its photo galleries and virtual guide books; the latter can be sorted by region and by theme.

A valley with only one side?
To those of us who live here, putting all the counties on the east side of the river (save Albany) in the "Hudson Valley" but then classifying all the western counties as "Catskills" makes no sense. No one would consider Orange County, where I live, to be in the Catskills, in any sense, culturally, historically or geographically. Ulster and Greene counties, yes, but they have considerable river frontage as well and their largest communities are located along the river. And what of Rockland County?

Can we do something about this? Is it possible for the Catskills page to indicate that, say, western Ulster and southwestern Greene counties are in that region while the rest are properly attributed here? Daniel Case (talk) 19:39, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Yes, it's been noted before that the regions need changing. Please contribute to the discussion at Talk:New York (state). Globe-trotter (talk) 20:15, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I'm happy to change the boundaries of the Hudson Valley and Catskills region, but I've not yet found anyone willing to define the exact border between the two. I don't know the region well enough to say.  LtPowers (talk) 20:33, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

 * There are steeper hills (including the Palisades) on the west side of the Hudson. I'm not sure if that enters into any thinking about where the Hudson Valley is, but I thought I'd bring it up. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:57, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Why isn't the riverside of Westchester County included among the regions?
I certainly think of places like Irvington, Dobbs Ferry, Tarrytown and Hastings-on-Hudson as Hudson Valley towns. Are there people who don't? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:54, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

 * Sure, but the lower Hudson is part of Metro New York. LtPowers (talk) 17:24, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

 * Alright, I'll note that in "Go next." Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:44, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Restaurant listings
I prematurely hit "Enter" and truncated my latest editing summary. Cena'colo is listed in Newburgh. It is standard practice to list restaurant and other specific listings in city guides whenever possible, and in regional guides only when there is no alternative. And per don't tout, no place can be listed in more than one article.

Please make an argument for why you believe we should deviate from standard policy in this case. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:08, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Subregions
Is the county-level subregionalization currently used here and in Catskills the best way to subdivide this region? We should probably evaluate the subregionalization scheme before fleshing out those county articles too far. Powers (talk) 13:21, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

 * My initial reaction is that it seems like the most natural way to subdivide regions in the State of New York, if such subdivision is desirable (and my feeling is that it does no harm and could be useful). But I'd be quite willing to consider other thoughts. Do you have any alternate suggestions? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:01, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree. Any other scheme will be necessarily subjective and likely start endless and pointless debate. Daniel Case (talk) 01:51, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Editorial convenience should not be the primary criterion. We subdivide countries and regions subjectively all the freakin' time anyway.  The question is, is it the most logical division for the traveler?  I don't know the answer to that; I was hoping someone else might.  I've done it both ways myself: Niagara Frontier is subdivided by county because there's no other natural way to do it, and the counties are fairly grid-like in their boundaries and shapes; but Finger Lakes is divided into four non-county regions because county borders pass through the lakes and have weird shapes, and the communities in each of the regions have identifiable commonalities.  Powers (talk) 18:27, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but that's why I asked if you had any alternate suggestions. If you do, let's see them, so we can consider them. If not, we should stick with counties. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:34, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I am completely unfamiliar with the Catskills; that's why I asked you guys. Powers (talk) 21:46, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm actually only slightly familiar with the Catskills, but User:Daniel Case is an expert, and since counties have separate identities in New York State, I'm happy to defer to his judgment. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:57, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * But in the Catskills I'm not sure that's the case. Would a traveler recognize the differences between the counties within the park?  Powers (talk) 14:50, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm sure they wouldn't, without any signs posted. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:33, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

No, you wouldn't. About the only difference is that the Greene County portion (typified by the Route 23A corridor), is more developed with less wild expanses than the Ulster or Sullivan portions. Delaware County's portion goes from being like Greene County at its northern connection to like Sullivan County's at the park's western corner, but less populous. Daniel Case (talk) 15:27, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * So would it make sense, then, to try another scheme? Like perhaps "western Catskills" and "eastern Catskills"?  Powers (talk) 20:25, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Huesca

I removed this link, because it links to a foreign language site:

http://www.staragon.com/huesca/esqui.html -Huesca ski stations

--(WT-en) Tim 9-3-06 22.47

city or province?
Does this article describes a city or a province? The article content is not consistent in this.

If this article is about the city, we should create a province-related information to a separate page, something like Huesca (province). --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 12:51, 9 September 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Huff

more of somthing (WT-en) 5crims 15:09, 26 January 2011 (EST)

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Talk:Huizou

Even though it is a small city,it is still very pretty and tranquil

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Talk:Hu kou pu bu

Hokou Waterfall and Huanghe Hukou Pubu National Park
I noticed there's this article here and another one for Huanghe Hukou Pubu National Park that just says see this article. Should these be merged together? Doing a quick Google search, it looks like the park and waterfall are the same thing.

For comparison, Wikipedia has one article on the Hokou Waterfall and the link for Huanghe Hukou Pubu National Park redirects to the waterfall article.

Also, if we keep this article, is "Hu kou pu bu" the best name or should it be Hokou Waterfall? - (WT-en) Shaund 00:09, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

I second the "HuKou Waterfall" title name. I also think this article should be linked to from "Get out" section of Xian and Datong.

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Talk:Hunan

ShaoYang
This is a city of southwest of Hunan.

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Talk:Hungarian phrasebook

Hi all

I bumped into this article and although I found it very well written, I spotted a few inaccuracies, or a few things I would call inaccuracies, mostly in the pronunciation section. I was going to sort them out but since English is not my mother tongue (Hungarian is), and I do not really trust myself, I thought I would just open a discussion page and let you guys correct them if you feel like.

So here they are:

Vowels

"a like 'o' in "old" (a very deep "o") → [SYMBOL: å]" WHEREAS "ó like 'o' in "so" → [SYMBOL: oa]"

I find this piece of information very confusing. To the best of my knowledge (and correct me if I am wrong) these two English words have the very same phoneme /əʊ/ (Received Pronunciation) or /oʊ/ (General American), the latter not being very far form the actual phoneme for "ó" found in standard Hungarian, and almost the same as found in certain Hungarian dialects. The "a" sound (IPA /ɒ/), however, has nothing to do with it. The closest sound for Hungarian "a" would be /ɒ/ as in RP "not".

"i like i in "hit" → [SYMBOL: i]"

This is misleading again. "I" is absolutely the same as "í" (see next entry in the article), only, it's shorter. The word "hit", for instance, does exist in Hungarian (it means "faith") but it is pronounced more like English "heat". If you try to say "faith" in Hungarian and pronounce it as English "hit", you will be understood much less likely than if you said "heat".

Consonants

"dzs like 'dg' in badge → [SYMBOL: j]" WHEREAS "gy like 'j' in major or 'de y' in made your → [SYMBOL: dj]"

Completely wrong. What is, I wonder, the differece between the "dg" of "badger" and the "j" of "major"? Absolutely nothing. The truth is that while "dzs" is a voiced postalveolar affricate /dʒ/(accurately exemplified here by the word "badge"), "gy" is a voiced palatal plosive /ɟ/, the closest known sound to the English ear of which would be the one found in French "adieu". And since the article cites German and Spanish examples, why not cite a French one here?

"ty like 'tch' in batch → [SYMBOL: ty]" - same problem as above. "Ty" is articulated in the very same place as "gy", the difference being that "ty" is voiceless. You can hear a very similar, or actually the same sound at the beginning of British English "tube".

 * Honestly, this ALL should be in IPA. Arbitrary systems are rather confusing, even with explanations, as they ignore dialects of English. 70.190.49.222 20:36, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

Pronunciation, symbols
What on earth are the "symbols" on the page? They're not IPA and I don't see why they're useful, so why don't we delete them all? Meanwhile, "a" being like "o" in "not" is absolutely wrong for speakers of American English ("naht"), so I substituted like "o" in "oat". Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:49, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

 * I haven't changed my mind about this. And Hungarian "a" should be represented as "oh", don't you think? Isn't it pretty much the same sound as Hungarian "o", or is it not? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:41, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Case system
I don't understand most of the explanations. Going into or in something sounds the same. It would be good to give examples of each case with translations. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:00, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

 * I repeat this request. Give one sentence per case. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:41, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Vowel harmony
I did my best to copy edit the "basic" definition of the phenomenon. I'm not up enough on Hungarian to give any examples, but some examples are needed, because just mentioning a concept and giving a very general description of it could only serve to confuse people. While we don't need to give all of the rules, we should at least show some of the more common types of situations in which vowel harmony is needed and used, and show them how. I really hope a good Hungarian-speaker bilingual in English reads this talk page at some point and revamps this phrasebook into something really useful for English-speakers who want to learn how to speak and understand the language up to an advanced beginner level, with perhaps a few intermediate examples as needed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:05, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Hungarian restaurants

This needs to be moved to Hungary under "Eat," or am I missing something? Juat checking before I do anything (WT-en) Majnoona 15:59, 15 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Reply to myself: found the conversation on User talk:(WT-en) Grin... (WT-en) Majnoona 16:05, 15 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Reply to me, again. I've gone ahead and blanked this page and will add it to Project:Votes for deletion for a couple of reasons. First, having a seperate restaurant page doesnt fit our Project:Manual of style or Project:What's an article?. Second, the content appeared to be city-specific restaurants, so they should go with that city, otherwise how are users supposed to find them? Finally, the surrounding content doesn't follow "Neutral point of view" -- there's no need to invite others to add info-- that's what the whole site's for. Anyway, I hope to find a good home for the nice restaurant blurbs, but this page has gotta go. (WT-en) Majnoona 17:56, 15 Apr 2004 (EDT)

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Talk:Hungary

Unnecessary extra pages
Please who could help me!

Candidates for reverting (how I think)!

 * 1) Bükk. A National Park but not any special I think We should merging to Northern Hungary.
 * 2) Hortobágy. There is enough info on Great Hungarian Plain
 * 3) Nyírtass. Which is described: "...no hotels, motels, pensions...", "nothing to buy", my suggestion should merging in Great Hungarian Plain
 * 4) Bikal, where is absolute nothing just a many star Palace Hotel! This is only PROMOTION!

Thanks for any comment!- - Globetrotter19 (talk) 15:41, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

 * Bükk: except for the caves there's not really any info in the article - delete. Hortobágy: not very much content in the article but being an UNESCO World Heritage Site and somebody having made a banner for it makes me want to keep it. Nyírtass: if you cannot sleep there it's a good indication the place shouldn't have an article. Bikal: the lead is horrid and there's indeed nothing else but the hotel, but on the other hand why not try to add to the article rather than delete/redirect it. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:13, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Use official tourism regions of Hungary
Currently this article defines some very large regions (Transdanubia, Great Hungarian Plain), which can be hardly described altogether. I want to propose to split these regions, and use the nine official tourism regions of Hungary defined by the law. The English description of these tourism regions can be found here. See also: Tourism in Hungary.

This structure allows to put more details on each article, and the county articles can be replaced by them. The proposed structure:

--City-busz (talk) 16:36, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

 * If we use these 9 regions, how many city articles would there currently be for each region, or if you plan on starting more city articles, how many would there be in each region after that? Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:09, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Here is the list of cities by region:
 * Budapest and Central Danube: Budakeszi, Budaörs, Budapest, Cegléd, Dunakeszi, Érd, Esztergom, Gödöllő, Nagykőrös, Ócsa, Pilisvörösvár, Pomáz, Rétság, Ráckeve, Szentendre, Vác, Visegrád
 * Lake Balaton: Balatonfüred, Fonyód, Hévíz, Keszthely, Marcali, Siófok, Tapolca, Tihany, Zalakaros
 * Western Transdanubia: Bük, Győr, Kőszeg, Mosonmagyaróvár, Nagykanizsa, Pannonhalma, Sárvár, Sopron, Szombathely, Zalaegerszeg
 * Northern Hungary: Aggtelek, Balassagyarmat, Eger, Gyöngyös, Hollókő, Mezőkövesd, Miskolc, Salgótarján, Sárospatak, Sátoraljaújhely, Szilvásvárad, Tokaj
 * Northern Great Plain: Balmazújváros, Debrecen, Hajdúszoboszló, Hortobágy, Jászberény, Mátészalka, Nyírbátor, Nyíregyháza, Szolnok
 * Southern Great Plain: Baja, Békéscsaba, Gyula, Hódmezővásárhely, Kalocsa, Kecskemét, Szarvas, Szeged, Szentes
 * Central Transdanubia: Gárdony, Komárom, Martonvásár, Pápa, Sümeg, Székesfehérvár, Tata, Tatabánya, Veszprém
 * Southern Transdanubia: Barcs, Harkány, Kaposvár, Mohács, Paks, Pécs, Siklós, Szekszárd, Szigetvár
 * Lake Tisza: Karcag, Tiszafüred
 * --City-busz (talk) 20:45, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Thanks a lot for that detailed response!

 * Some questions: Does Lake Tisza have any "Other destinations" articles? 2 is normally really too few for its own region. Could it be included in another region ("Region X and Lake Tisza")? Also, some of the other regions have only a couple of existing articles. Would you plan on starting articles for the red-linked towns, and do they have enough things to see and do or places to eat and sleep to merit their own articles? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:31, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Yes, the Lake Tisza region can be joined with Northern Great Plain. It does not really have any "Other destinations" article.

 * I would like to start the non-existent city articles, but it's probably a long process. I'm sure that most of them have enough things to see. Furthermore, I omitted some existing articles about small places, which have no significant tourist attraction, and should be deleted/merged I think: Balatonszemes, Bikal, Bugac, Dobogókő, Nyírtass. --City-busz (talk) 23:20, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

 * No problem. Go ahead and merge the information where you think it should go, then turn the article into a redirect to the target article.

 * So the regions that are still at issue are Southern Great Plain, Central Transdanubia and Southern Transdanubia. How many city/other destinations articles do you think each of those regions merits? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:31, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

 * All of these regions would have 8-9 city articles as listed above. Other destination articles could be (these articles are not created yet):
 * Southern Great Plain: Kiskunság National Park, Körös-Maros National Park.
 * Central Transdanubia: Lake Velence, Vértes, Gerecse (part of Danube-Ipoly National Park), Bakony (part of Balaton Uplands National Park)
 * Southern Transdanubia: Danube-Drava National Park (including Gemenc, Mecsek, Villány Mountains and Zselic)
 * --City-busz (talk) 01:40, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

 * OK, in that case, 8 regions sounds good to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:12, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

I am satisfied by the detailed answers given here, and think the proposed change would be an improvement. Let's wait for some more views, however. Thanks to both of you for asking pertinent questions (Ikan) and providing sound, logical answers (City-busz). --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:35, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with ThunderingTyphoons. Good questions, good answers. I support User:City-busz's proposed reorganization. Ground Zero (talk) 16:58, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I find it interesting (to say the least) that you want to create an article for Kiskunság National Park and delete the one for Bugac, which is where the national park should exactly be mentioned. And if you delete/redirect Bugac, where else could you list the Kurultáj?
 * Ditto for Dobogókő: when I was hiking there in 2015 (and I was there as a "tourist"), I saw lots of people doing the same, and even more people on the summit having a good time. Sure, most, if not all, of them were Hungarians, I guess, but it was obvious that the place was a destination for lots of people. I'll admit that the current article leaves much to be desired, but if it existed back then, I might be able to do the journey up there without the help of a Hungarian friend of mine who decided to travel with me—without her invaluable assistance, I don't think I would be able to make all those transfers between the busses and even a ferry and find the trailhead onto an almost mythical hill. Vidimian (talk) 22:05, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm a bit late to this show (seems like some work is already in progress), but still - I don't see any reason against this. The country is vast and some more fine-grained subdivision for sure won't hurt, especially if some region-introductory texts would be added too. If knows the country, it'd be great if (s)he could also take a look at the bottom-level regions, such as Veszprém County, and split them further :-)  did great job gathering all the POIs, but we could for sure use some more logical structure, to have it more useful for regular reader... -- andree.sk  (talk) 07:29, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm going to start splitting the articles: --City-busz (talk) 18:01, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Great Plain will become Northern Great Plain and Southern Great Plain.
 * Transdanubia will become Western Transdanubia, Central Transdanubia and Southern Transdanubia.
 * Great! Thank you.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:42, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Hungry Horse

sleep
I did not add this information. I even viewed the history of the travel guide. Strange. --(WT-en) Fopang 17:42, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Hungry Horse (Montana)

Why'd this get moved? I don't think there's another Hungry Horse. --(WT-en) Evan 16:53, 5 December 2006 (EST)
 * I can't find the move logs to show when or why this was moved to this page . Can anybody else find them? -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 19:52, 5 December 2006 (EST)
 * It was a copy-and-paste move, not a "real" move. --(WT-en) Evan 22:08, 5 December 2006 (EST)
 * In that case I suggest moving it back to Hungry Horse. I can't find any other place with the name Hungry Horse, with the exception of a mountain and stream. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 22:16, 5 December 2006 (EST)
 * I agree, this does not need to be dab'ed. I will move this page back to Hungry Horse. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 06:50, 9 December 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Hunterdon County

I can't remember why on earth I created this with a disambiguator. If there is no other Hunterdon, I shall move it to Hunterdon. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 13:12, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

 * As far as I can tell it's unique. --(WT-en) OldPine 20:05, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Hunter Valley

The township names are from http://www.huntertourism.com/visitnswlive/m30l1/HUNTERMAP.JPG

Here's a chunk from the Sydney page that might fit better here:

 * Hunter Valley Wineries Wobbly Wheels tour. (cost was approx $90)
 * The minibus leaves Sydney by Circular Quay at about 8am and returns at 6pm. The tour includes transportation to Hunter Valley, with some chatty commentary on the way and a coffee & cake stop at an emu reserve. Once you get to the Hunter Valley, you have a gourmet lunch at a vineyard, and then get on your pushbike for a tour of 4 vineyards.

Need to confirm details, I can't find them listed anywhere. -- (WT-en) Hypatia 07:07, 12 Oct 2004 (EDT)

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Talk:Huntington Beach, California

This article was the same as Huntington Beach so I redirected it there. The Project:Article naming conventions calls for the shortest/simplest name and recommends against includin states as localising suffixes, such as , California. If there is more than one place, disambiguators such as  (California) should be used. -- (WT-en) Huttite 19:07, 23 Apr 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:Huntsville (Alabama)

Name Change
Will change Huntsville (Alabama) to Huntsville, Alabama. (WT-en) Kingjeff 22:41, 29 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * That's not how we name things here -- that's the Wikipedia way :-). This will be moved back. -- (WT-en) Colin 22:49, 29 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * I have moved it back! On Wikivoyage we use the simplest English names. This is NOT Wikipedia. We have different rules. One of them is Article naming conventions. If you read the instructions it explains why. -- (WT-en) Huttite 01:55, 30 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * I also think the people at Wikipedia got it wrong. But it was too hard for them to explain how it should have been done. -- (WT-en) Huttite 02:04, 30 Dec 2005 (EST)

But don't you think it makes sense that it's done this way? I would think people would use a comma instead of brackets. (WT-en) Kingjeff 22:56, 29 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * I have no opinion. It's worth noting that this disambig format is more general than just city, state -- it's the same format for any disambiguation.  But we should stick with the standard unless that standard is changed.  The current policy is at Project:Article naming conventions and you can propose or discuss changes to the policy at Project:Article naming conventions. -- (WT-en) Colin 00:40, 30 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Actually I think it makes less sense to call the place Huntsville, Alabama than Huntsville (Alabama) because if I want to call it Huntsville all I write is Huntsville (Alabama) not Huntsville . It is less work, surprisingly! Besides we only need the (Alabama), or whatever, if there are two or more Huntsvilles. In probably 90% - 99% of cases there is only one place with the name that we want to write about and have a page for. That means most of the time if we enforced a name, state format we would do too much typing and we would have a lot of redirects from places called name to name, state when there was no need. We might even end up with two articles, one called name and one called name, state. Besides you are also too UnitedStatesOfAmericaO'Centrick, nobody else in the world wants to put their state name after their place name, just to get a unique name. We just call it by the place name and make sure that there is a good national place name approval process so that not too many important places get a duplicate name. And if they are duplicates then they are on the other side of the world, not in the State next door. -- (WT-en) Huttite 01:55, 30 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Another thing, if I write Huntsville (Alabama),Alabama then I get Huntsville,Alabama and two links for the price of one and a bit. Each name takes me to the article the name represents and one qualifies the other. -- 02:04, 30 Dec 2005 (EST)

Listings
I just rolled back the addition of what looked like and A-Z list of hotels and restaurants. I know it was probably a lot of work to add (and it can all be found in the history, so it's not lost) but it's not one of our goals to provide a list of every place in a town -- just the ones worth recommending! Let's try and get it down to around 5 of each per budget range (ie 5 budget restaurants, 5 midrange, etc...). Let me know if you have any questions! Thanks (WT-en) Maj 21:12, 13 January 2007 (EST)

I shortened the list of restaurants and split some of the larger districts to make it easier for non-residents. I didn't know many of the restaurants' price ranges, so I will leave the budget/midrange/splurge categorization to someone else. Also, for a city of Huntsville's size, it is VERY hard to choose only 15 restaurants out of hundreds. But choosing 10 per district was quite easy, so I left it at that. The hotel list Maj reverted will be much easier to categorize, though. I'll work on that next. (WT-en) Jameshsv 01:34, 15 January 2007 (EST)

 * Hmm, We manage to do the 5-7 lists for Huge cities like New York and Mexico City, so we should be able to pull it off for Huntsville too-- image you have a friend or relative in town, you would probably have a pretty short list of place to recommend, right? For example, I bet "Red Lobster""Hooters" and "TGIFs" are not that different from the same chain places elsewhere in the US, so they can go... I'm going to take a stab at slimming the list down some more. (WT-en) Maj 01:49, 15 January 2007 (EST)
 * OK, I think we're a lot closer now. Put anything back that you think has to be there... otherwise I think this new list better showcases all the good stuff Huntsville has to offer. (WT-en) Maj 02:04, 15 January 2007 (EST)

What if my friend likes TGIF's and Red Lobster? I don't agree with deleting the chains, but I'll leave it alone for now. And why was the list of hotels deleted again? Seriously, the way it looks now, it's pitiful. If I were a tourist, I would like to know about more than 3 mid-high range hotels and some cabins. I split it into the three price ranges this site uses, and at least one from each popular district- South Huntsville, University Drive West and East, and Madison/Airport. What was so wrong about that? (WT-en) Jameshsv 11:40, 15 January 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Huntsville (Ontario)

Changing Name
I'm going to change Huntsville (Ontario) to Huntsville, Ontario since this is how people will typically type this in. (WT-en) Kingjeff 22:35, 29 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * No. People will typically type Huntsville. The Project:Article naming conventions say it should be Huntsville (Ontario). I have moved the page back. -- (WT-en) Huttite 02:14, 30 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * If you are going to make a change like this there are lots of other disambiguated names that this will need to be applied to. A change like this is severely major and will be resisted severely due to the high existing investment in the current convention. You will also lose wiki functionality associated with the disambiguation feature Same_name (disambiguator) in article titles. -- (WT-en) Huttite 02:14, 30 Dec 2005 (EST)

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Talk:Hurghada

Fast Ferries Website
the link is outdated - redirects to a parked link.

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Talk:Hurricane (West Virginia)

Is there anyplace in a small-city article where it would be appropriate to relocate information on a church? I suspect the housing-development mention will have to go, but it's conceivable that a traveller might like to know the location of a good local church. Add a "Cope" section, maybe? -- (WT-en) Haem85 19:09, 16 May 2006 (EDT)
 * cope as in a church confused here i thought coping was how you get along? and no sleep locs. --(WT-en) Hayfield 00:40, 9 November 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Butare

''This page is for discussing the corresponding article or guide. For more about using talk pages check out Project:Using talk pages.''

Rename Butare to Huye
Butare was renamed to Huye some time ago. Presumably after the nearby Mount Huye. I do not know the reason for changing the name, but almost all signs in the town now refer to Huye, rather than Butare. I propose renaming the Butare page to Huye with a redirect from Butare. (WT-en) Davidbstanley 15:17, 29 April 2012 (EDT)

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Talk:Hvar

This site looks like it has some good info on Hvar http://www.sunnyisland.info/guide.htm.

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Talk:Hyannis

See Talk:Barnstable for village vs. town relationships.

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Talk:Hyashi Village

Hyashi Village
All that's there is the template since May '06. Not sure what's so special about a Maui plantation village to warrant an article in Wikivoyage. (WT-en) KeithH 04:31, 17 December 2006 (EST)

 * Keep. It may take years to finish articles on Wikivoyage; we don't delete them just for that reason. A place doesn't have to be special for someone to visit it; if people visit, they want travel information. --(WT-en) Evan 09:14, 17 December 2006 (EST)
 * Keep. I like little places. I agree with (WT-en) Evan and I will see if I can add some information to the article. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 09:19, 17 December 2006 (EST)
 * Have done a little research and this is a pretty small spot from our friend in Maine. We will see, but it may not make the cut. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 09:40, 17 December 2006 (EST)

 * Keep. This is the kind of article that might eventually be subsumed in a "rural" article, but until then, it describes an actual place, and its obnoxious origins aren't grounds for deletion.  See example at top of page. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:30, 23 December 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Hyattsville

What I'm doing with this page
First of all, I renamed it. "Hyattsville and adjacent towns" is not a normal name used. I'm also planning to split this up, since if there's enough content for adjacent towns, they should get their own page. If not, a redirect to Hyattsville is sufficient, with a note that any individual listing is actually in wherever. Anonymous contributor, I appreciate the content that you've added. If you return here, I encourage you to create an account, as it helps to have an ongoing dialog about improving this page. --(WT-en) Jonboy 11:23, 23 January 2008 (EST)

I'm pasting a lot of the old content into Talk:Hyattsville/Oldcontent for later re-use in other municipalities. --(WT-en) Jonboy 12:13, 23 January 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Hyattsville/Oldcontent

Hyattsville, Riverdale, Greenbelt and Mount Rainier are adjacent cities in the Maryland suburbs of the Washington, DC Area.

The area along Rhode Island Ave. (Old Route 1) includes numrous tiny municipalities around the B & O Railroad tracks, and is commonly referred to as Port Towns. This includes Mount Rainier, a bohemian / immigrant suburb of closely packed homes, and several adjacent towns that are sandwiched between College Park (Maryland) and Washington D.C., straddling the Anacostia River with Hyattsville in the center.

The area used to be an industrial harbor in the 19th Century before the Anacostia River silted up. Several of these towns, particularly Bladensburg, remain primarily industrial, unlike most of the D.C. area (Washington D.C.'s top manufacturing export is paper: publications printed by the Federal Government).

Also adjacent are the historic railroad town of Riverdale Park and the strip-oriented Little Mexico.

Because most of the D.C. area's Hispanic immigrants are Honduran and El Salvadorean, the Kenilworth Avenue boulevard north of Route 1 in Riverdale is unique for its concentration of specifically Mexican immigrants and authentic Mexican restaurants.

The municipalities covered by this article (all in Prince George's County, Maryland) include:

 * Hyattsville — the largest city south of College Park, Maryland
 * Mount Rainier — a working-class, ultra-liberal enclave on the edge of Northeast D.C.
 * Little Mexico — part of Riverdale along Kenilworth Ave. north of Bladensburg
 * Greenbelt — a pre-WWII planned suburb created as an experiment in cooperative housing by the Roosevelt Administration

Most everything of interest is in these four towns.

Additional towns with few sights include:

 * Riverdale Park — a small railroad town located next to Hyattsville south of College Park (Maryland)
 * Brentwood — a sister city to Mount Rainier
 * North Brentwood — an enclave of Brentwood
 * Colmar Manor — on the other side of the tracks from Mount Rainier
 * Cottage City — indistinguishable from Colmar Manor
 * Bladensburg — a major industrial suburb of D.C.
 * Chillum — a mostly African-American suburb of Hyattsville
 * West Hyattsville — an area of postwar shopping centers scheduled for "town center" redevelopment

title: Talk:Hyattsville/Oldcontent