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Talk:World Heritage Tour in Nara

Moved in from the article... (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 14:12, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Note
The main author of this article(a wikivoyageer) is willing to guarantee the accuracy of this article. You can email me and ask if this itinerary works when you travel. ocean_view_999@hotmail.co.jp

References http://www.kintetsu.co.jp/senden/Railway/Ticket/sekaiisan_free/sekaiisan_free.html http://www.narakotsu.co.jp/rosen/kaiyu/index.html http://www.narakotsu.co.jp/news/news_0112.html http://www.ekikara.jp/top.htm http://www.pref.nara.jp/nara_e/
 * Nara Sekai Isan Frea Kippu Official Page
 * Nara-Nishinokyo-Ikaruga Excursion Bus Line Official Page
 * Nara City Loop Bus Line Official Page
 * Ekikara Jikoku Hyo(train timetable)
 * Nare Prefecture official website for tourism

Heijo Palace
This appears to be a personal itinerary, so I'm not sure how it could be adjusted, but if this is a real World Heritage Tour, I would think one would actually need to visit each of the sites. The Heijo Palace is only mentioned as being passed by on the train. Admittedly, it is not the most interesting of the sites, but if it's a true World Heritage Tour, none of the sites should be passed up, in my opinion... —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus (talk • contribs)

 * No, you are definitely allowed to make additions to the itinerary. You should take into account what you've just said, though — add the option of visiting Heijo Palace and identify how it can be done, but note that it is not the most interesting of the sites. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 12:03, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

 * I added the information, although the very specific train schedule is now wrong. Did the original writer actually see all of these sites in only three days? I have been to Yoshino, and that alone is a day trip. I suspect Yoshino, Ominesan, and the Asuka area would require a day each to visit, especially with the infrequent buses found in Nara Prefecture outside of the capital. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 08:39, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

Asuka
Asuka is not currently a World Heritage Site, so I've removed the information about it: The next destination is Asuka. The trains from Yoshino station depart at X:08 and X:38 every hour between 9 and 21 and arrive at Asuka station(13 stops from Yoshino, 2 stops for Kashihara Jingu Mae) or Kashihara Jingu Mae station in 1 hour.

Main article Asuka, Fujiwara

Asuka is a small village with the archaeological sites of Japan's Ancient Capitals before the permanent capital was established in Nara in 710. Nara prefecture government expects it to be inscribed into world heritage list in around 2012. Get off the train and consult at the tourist information at Asuka station. The 3 day pass is also valid for Nara Kotsu Bus service in Asuka. Asuka Official Website (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 03:05, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

This article...
I don't really know where to start. This article looks like a personal itinerary, as noted above in the discussion. Is there some particular reason for having an itinerary for visiting these three World Heritage Sites? Surely there are other provinces in the world with three separate WHS's (I think Beijing with surroundings has five, the same for Rome). I would understand if an article would be about one world heritage site consisting of several components (e.g. "Temples of X"). The article is also rather messy (CAPITAL letters here and there and so on). What do you all think? CW? ϒpsilon (talk) 17:30, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

 * I don't have a problem with the premise of seeing the World Heritage Sites in Nara Prefecture, since it is at least plausible with 4-5 days. Parts do need to be rewritten though, and in spite of the "guarantee" at the top that everything is doable, what bothers me the most is that the itinerary is impossible to do as written with the 3 day timeframe. I think a person could reasonably do the Nara City and Horyuji portions, but the Yoshino-Ominesan day is impossible without a car (and even then I don't know if it's doable). I've not been there, but I believe Ominesan requires a bit of walking/hiking for men to reach the actual temple after arriving at the trailhead. I also don't know if there are temples outside of the men-only area where women can worship (like Mount Koya had/has) or if there is nothing for them. Information about each site with a brief description of its "World Heritage" importance would also make the itinerary more appealing. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 14:32, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

 * The sites themselves do sound interesting. I was more of asking whether an itinerary is needed to visit them or if they could be better described e.g. in the Nara article. Together the sites are on the World Heritage List and located in Nara, but is there something else they have in common? ϒpsilon (talk) 16:07, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

 * The sites are not just in Nara City, though. Only the Historic Monuments of Ancient Nara listings are located within Nara. The other sites are in Yoshino, Horyuji, and Tenkawa, so this tour was constructed for a World Heritage fanatic to see all of the sites in Nara Prefecture. If the Asuka sites are ever reviewed/approved by the committee, they'd need to be put back into the itinerary, too. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 23:43, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Wreck diving

Hi Legis, Do you have anything in mind for further development of this article? • • • (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 17:53, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
 * Sorry, was away on vacation (not diving, sadly). I didn't have any specific thoughts about taking it further forward.  Did you have any ideas? (WT-en) Legis 16:37, 2 May 2011 (EDT)
 * Not really, but the article is currently tagged as an outline, which means it is at risk of being merged with another article (in this case it would most likely be Scuba diving, and it would be nice to get it up to guide. I think this is quite possible if we can just work out what is needed. As it stands, it is probably already up to usable as it Has at least a good overview of the topic, and some useful material under each outline heading. To make guide it must Effectively cover most aspects of the topic with no obvious omissions. If practical, it should contain a listing of relevant destinations (already complies). The format should closely match the manual of style (already complies). So the big question is, are there any obvious omissions of aspects of the topic?  I can't think of any offhand. • • • (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 01:40, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
 * I am going to link a few more regional articles with wreck diving sites listed as I find them. • • • (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 02:08, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

 * There is wreck diving in Palawan, mostly WW II Japanese vessels. I do not have details to hand. The Lonely Planet Phillipnes guide goes on at some length about them, but I paid little attention since I'm not a diver. I can dig it up if needed. (WT-en) Pashley 00:05, 8 May 2012 (EDT)

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Talk:Wrocław

"depicting a Polish military victory in 1794, is popular symbol of Polish nationalism."

It was multinational Commonwealth victory. (WT-en) Wroc 06:44, 6 Jan 2006 (EST)

Redirect to DE Wikivoyage?
Should we redirect the German name of Wroclaw, which is Breslau to a DE version instead of the EN version of Wroclaw? (WT-en) Sapphire 16:36, 11 April 2006 (EDT)

Nit picking
Shouldn't "Wrocław in Polish (also known as Breslau in German)" be "Wrocław (also known as Breslau in German)"?

I mean, I would never say "New York in English (also known as Nowe Jork in Polish)"

I'm not sure enough about this to make the change myself, but would like to suggest it for discussion.

Jimmu (talk) 04:35, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

European Capital of Culture 2016
Hi all — Wrocław is European Capital of Culture 2016 and I think that's a great opportunity to improve this travel guide. (Also, I don't think it really lives up to its "guide" status at the moment). There are many open issues: It would be great if people could contribute to take care any of these points above. Thanks a lot. —The preceding comment was added by 129.215.90.124 (talk • contribs) 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Adding descriptions for sights ("see") and "do" listings
 * "Learn" and "Work" sections are almost empty
 * Adding information to hotel names without any descriptions
 * Adding geo coordinates
 * Updating and verifying listings in general
 * etc.

Ready to feature?
Is this article ready for Dotm? Or is anything missing? /Yvwv (talk) 22:40, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No. Some listings lack coordinates and descriptions, and almost half of the listings in the Sleep sections just consist of a name. Here and there the article looks a bit too listy (e.g. Get in By plane). Some sections could be expanded (Understand, Buy) or maybe deleted (Work and Learn). --Ypsilon (talk) 11:34, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Most of the listings are from 2015 or 2016 or are undated. Not suitable for featuring. Ground Zero (talk) 20:54, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Wuerzburg

Not sure that it shouldn't actually be the other way around. (WT-en) Brendio 16:11, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Wuhan

Nice work folks! I created a stub two weeks ago because I know Wuhan's an important city, but I had almost nothing to say about it. Others have turned it into a real article very quickly. What a pleasant surprise. (WT-en) Pashley 04:43, 15 May 2006 (EDT)

 * You nagged me enough that I finally got off my keister and started contributing. --(WT-en) 严加华 05:45, 16 May 2006 (EDT)

The docent code doesn't accept anything but plain-vanilla western text as a user ID. I'm willing to act as docent for Wuhan, but can't flag this.

Train schedules
I see that this paragraph was cut out from the article, so here it is:

The following table lists train travel times from Nanjing to major cities, as of the early 2014 (as per http://qq.ip138.com/train/hubei/wuhan.htm, http://qq.ip138.com/train/hubei/hankou.htm , http://qq.ip138.com/train/hubei/WuChang.htm ). Included are high-speed day trains (G and D series) and faster "conventional" trains (Z and T series, many running overnight). Travel times by slower trains (K series, or "no letter" ones) are longer.

--Vmenkov (talk) 14:30, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

 * Should this be restored to the article? It seems useful, so on the face of it, I'm not sure why it was removed, unless it's either obsolete or somehow redundant. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:21, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

 * Not sure it should be restored. The linked site is only in Chinese and is not an 'official' one either.
 * I can't speak to the accuracy of the times provided, but in China rail changes rapidly and all the time. I would not plan any trip on the basis on the linked site. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:13, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

 * I don't think we should ever concern ourselves with the specific train, bus, flight schedules unless we have a link to an official site that is kept current. Otherwise, we run the risk of providing outdated information that could really mess up someone's travel plans. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 10:53, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

The linked site is not "official", but I've been using it for the last several years (because I found the official one less convenient), and they update the schedules in a very timely manner. I am not saying the links should be restored to the article page, but I'd like to at least keep it here for reference. Yes, the site is in Chinese; but I would hope that a traveler who buys his own train tickets and then takes a train across China on his own can at least read a train schedule in Chinese! :-) -- Vmenkov (talk) 06:51, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

"Learn" section
I'm assuming all these schools accept foreign students on years abroad? If so, the listings are OK to include, but could someone please summarize and tailor the prose to non-matriculated students taking short courses and foreigners doing semesters or years abroad? Going on and on about universities is not Wikivoyage style. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:34, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Restrict editing for new users for a while?
Look at the history, guess who's vandalizing their umpteenth Asian article for the umpteenth time. Should we limit editing of this article to autoconfirmed users only for a while? --Ypsilon (talk) 19:25, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Or actually it may not be a good idea, an IP just improved the warningbox. Didn't we have a filter for the wheels vandalism? --Ypsilon (talk) 19:52, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Districtify?
I've recently done a lot of work on this page and have managed to push the number of listed attractions to well over 100 (and I'm not done yet). It would seem therefore that now would be a good time to begin discussing districtification, the coronavirus notwithstanding. Anyone disagree? STW932 (talk) 09:02, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Assuming there is consensus on the need to districtify, I would like to propose the creation of the following district articles: STW932 (talk) 09:02, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 * 1. Northern Wuhan (comprising Huangpi and Xinzhou)
 * 2. Northwestern Wuhan (comprising, Jiang'an, Jianghan, Qiaokou and Dongxihu)
 * 3. Southwestern Wuhan (comprising Hanyang, Caidian and Hannan)
 * 4. Wuchang (Most of Wuchang, except the areas close to the East Lake)
 * 5. Eastern Wuhan (Comprising Qingshan, Hongshan and those areas of Wuchang bordering the East Lake)
 * 6. Jiangxia (all of Jiangxia)

 * This is a somewhat odd time to district, but actually, it's a good use of your time, and you have my blessing to do it the way you want, as you know the city and have a clear plan. Just one question: About how many listings do you expect to have in each of these districts? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:01, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

 * Northwestern Wuhan should be called "Hankou". I think Wuchang, Hanyang, and Hankou need to be district names. It's VERY helpful to know where each is when you're in Wuhan. Residents refer to them a lot when talking about parts of the city. I think it's a disservice to the traveler to use things like "Northwestern" when a useful name like Hankou exists. I would probably also change "Southwestern" to "Hanyang" and just state in the article that our Hanyang article includes Caidian and Hannan. Other than that, it seems fine. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:16, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I take your point. Perhaps we could compromise by using names such as "Hanyang and Southwestern Wuhan" and "Hankou and Northwestern Wuhan" ("Hankou" includes Jiang'an, Jianghan and Qiaokou, but not Dongxihu). Or would you say those names are a little too wordy? STW932 (talk) 14:46, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

At present, the number of See and Do listings available for each of the proposed districts are as follows: Bear in mind that these are not the final figures. I'm pretty sure I can probably add at least another 3 or 4 more listings for Jiangxia for example. STW932 (talk) 14:46, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 * 1. Northern Wuhan: 14 listings
 * 2. Hankou and Northwestern Wuhan: 32 listings
 * 3. Hanyang and Southwestern Wuhan: 13 listings
 * 4. Wuchang: 23 listings
 * 5. Eastern Wuhan: 25 listings
 * 6. Jiangxia: 4 listings

It may be useful to this dicussion if someone could create a map showing the proposed districts. STW932 (talk) 14:46, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

 * That count of listings per district looks OK to me. I figure the one for Hankou and environs could divide up the listings in subsections, if need be, so as to not have overly long lists. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:22, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

 * Do we have other examples of districts using "X and Northwest (or some cardinal direction)"? It looks a bit long to me. How many sites are in Dongxihu? Would it be strange to make it part of "Northern Wuhan"? Or we could leave it in Hankou and just state in the article that it covers the three districts that make up what is historically "Hankou" but that our article also covers Dongxihu. I believe this is done in other article districts. Dongxihu is not so large, so it shouldn't be too jarring to just include it with Hankou, and as Ikan Kekek mentioned, "Dongxihu" could have its own subsection to make it even clearer that the district belongs in that article. I think the same for Hanyang. Call the region Hanyang, explain that our article covers other regions and give those subheadings. I'm not sure about Jiangxia. 4 total is really low. Do you think it can hold its own district? ChubbyWimbus (talk) 12:54, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm leaning toward accepting your arguments on the naming of the districts. Regarding Dongxihu, we currently only have one listing (though there are at least 5 more that could be added). I would prefer to group Dongxihu with Hankou due to the road and metro links, and also because there is one listing (the Wuhan Expo Garden) which sits on the boundary between Qiaokou and Dongxihu. As for Jiangxia, I'm quite certain we can increase the total number of listings to at least double the present number. (Examples of potential new listings in the Jiangxia area include the Jiangxia Museum, the Bee Museum, Jiangxia Central Park, Canglong Island National Wetlands Park, Qinglongshan National Forest Park and the Huaishan Stone Embankment.) If that's still not enough, perhaps we could add in the South Lake region from Eastern Wuhan, which would give us an additional 3 or 4 listings. STW932 (talk) 15:28, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to group Dongxihu with Hankou. With the places you've listed, I think Jiangxia sounds more viable as an independent region. Is there anything else that needs to be decided? If not, I think you can go ahead with the new districts! ChubbyWimbus (talk) 10:37, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Everything's fine now, or so it would appear. I will wait a few days just in case anyone else has anything to say. STW932 (talk) 16:01, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Shall we replace the banner?

Shall we replace the banner? The current banner could be used on the Wuchang District page. STW932 (talk) 08:21, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

 * That solution is OK with me. Let's see what other people think. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

 * I generally prefer banners that show off the city's character rather than city panoramas. It's not a bad picture. It's just generic. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 09:27, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I prefer the alternative pagebanner to the current one. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 11:55, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

 * So do I, actually. The pagoda is cut off, and the trees either side are awkward. The banner reminds the reader that, although little known outside China (recent news notwithstanding), Wuhan is an important city the size of London. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:44, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Looks like we have a majority in favour of changing the banner. Shall I go ahead and change it? STW932 (talk) 11:36, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with ChumbyWimbus's objection to yet-another city panorama, but the current banner isn't a good one, as FT explains. I support the change. Ground Zero (talk) 11:56, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've made the change. STW932 (talk) 12:33, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * What about one of the “Future City” images? One of them is already used in the article, but there are others. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 14:15, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Renewed discussion for 2022
There is no custom pagebanner on Wuhan/Wuchang, and the old banner is nicer than the current very smoggy city view. Whatever it was originally changed to was deleted either from Commons or Wikivoyage. So I'd recommend changing back to the banner with the pagoda unless we prefer to have truth in advertising and turn people off from visiting this city. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:48, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

 * I agree. Go for it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:51, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Any objection? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:41, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

 * I agree with having the pagoda as the banner. The pagoda is one of Wuhan's most iconic tourist attractions, and even though the current one is a reconstruction, it plays a very important role in Chinese culture and was featured very prominently in ancient Chinese poetry. The dog2 (talk) 23:02, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

 * I tried to restore the old banner, but the banner looks the same. I'm guessing that the banner at Wikidata is overriding this edit. What needs to be done to change the image? Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:04, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Banners on Wikidata cannot override local non-default banners as far as I know. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:26, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Metro map
Hi, let's talk about this. The map which I prefer has been constantly modified since it was first uploaded and was last updated a year ago. To what degree is it defunct; how much has changed? Assuming it is up-to-date (which I don't know for sure, that's why I'm asking), it's simply laid-out and easy to use, with large text, line symbols and minimal geographic details.

I'm sorry to be critical of your map, but I find it impossible to read without going into Commons and zooming in to a ridiculous degree. It can't be used by someone reading Wikivoyage, which is important because our articles are designed to be used offline or printed out, if that's what a traveller needs. Regarding the design, it's an impressive piece of detailed, geographically-accurate cartography, but I couldn't use it to navigate the Wuhan Metro for the first time. But I'm interested to read your thoughts, and hope to get the opinions of others too. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:20, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Hi firstly, thanks for your attention to Wuhan and your criticism of my work. West Extension of Line 4 (Bailin - Huangjinkou) & Phase 3 of Line 8 (Yezhihu - Military Athletes' Village, a 3-station section) opened in 2019, however, they are not shown on the old map. I have no idea if the author of the old map is planning to update it. After discussing this problem with him, I will give you a solution.
 * ，请问你绘制的拓扑线路图，还打算更新吗？我认为一个条目中放一个原始比例地图和一个拓扑地图是很合适的. 我的图的字号确实太小了，但调大的话会遮住线路，很难办. 所以希望能有一个拓扑地图弥补. -Painjet (talk) 13:39, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * ，看你把我的地图都拿掉了就懒得更新了哈哈. 那我再更新下. Will update the bilingual map shortly.--Howchou (talk) 08:11, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Howchou will update the map. -Painjet (talk) 08:30, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * ,, my map is updated. Thanks for your attention. --Howchou (talk) 09:37, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I see. thanks！Painjet (talk) 09:47, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for your kind cooperation. Hope you have a good weekend, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:45, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. and hope you could keep maintaining this article.Painjet (talk) 12:07, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

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Respect Section
Should we add more details to this respect section? If so, can you think of more than just COVID-19 naming or outbreak?--204.129.232.195 18:38, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

 * I don't think there is anything else specific to Wuhan that doesn't apply to the rest of China. I wonder though if more than being "offensive" if you could actually be arrested for references to Covid that outright or appear to blame Wuhan or China. It seems that should be made clear. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 15:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Wulai

As the overwhelming majority of people who visit Wulai do so to take a hot spring bath, I thought it might be helpful to have a budget, mid range, spurge section for the baths. However most baths, though not all, are connected to hotels, so this info could conceivably be included under the already established hotel references, even though most people using the spas do not stay in the hotels..

 * I don't think the categories are necessary unless we get a lot more listings. I've moved the hot spring stuff up to "Do". (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:45, 27 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * OK. Let's see how the page progresses. There are a multitude of bath houses in the town, so if the list grows, then at that time maybe we can develop a seperate category just for the baths. How's that sound? Anon. 27 Dec 05

 * Sure. The Japan article has already pioneered a "Bathe" section, but again, it's best to stick to the standard template unless there's a pressing need to change. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:43, 27 Dec 2005 (EST)

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Removing plagiarized text
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Talk:Wupatki National Monument

Is this really a destination?
I'm not sure this article really belongs. You can't sleep there; you can't even eat there, except at a picnic table. Furthermore, it's not such a gargantuan park as to justify a multi-day stay in the closest motel or campground so you can see it all, nor does it have the panache of a Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, etc., that cries out for a descriptive page. Shouldn't this just be redirected to Flagstaff with a nice healthy entry there under "Get out"? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:58, 15 September 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:WWOOF

VFD
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WWOOF
WTF not an WT article subject. (WT-en) 2old 16:23, 28 December 2007 (EST)
 * Speedy Delete. (WT-en) 2old 16:23, 28 December 2007 (EST)

 * Redirect to Making a difference which already covers WWOOF. Someone who wants to volunteer on organic farms might search for "WWOOF" here, so it is worth a redirect. (WT-en) Pashley 04:44, 29 December 2007 (EST)

 * WWOOF is a not-for-profit organisation that helps people travel cheaply (because they work in exchange for their food and accommodation) and make meaningful connections with the local population (because they're staying in people's homes). It's particularly popular with young people (gap years etc) who don't have a lot of money to travel and want to do something meaningful with their time (ie, volunteering). In what way does such an organisation not merit inclusion on a website devoted to travel? (And, by the way, there has been a similar article about WWOOF on the French version of this website since March 2007 without attracting any such problems.)

 * Merge and redirect to making a difference... nobody is saying that it isnt relavent info, it just doesnt need its own article... a small paragraph describing it and a link to the website is about all we really need to do here, right? we arent going to start listing farms and such, thats what the wwoof website is for. p.s., 2old, theres really no reason to speedy delete most things, 14 days isnt that long, and it is a good opportunity to inform new users of our policies, etc – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 17:29, 29 December 2007 (EST)
 * I think this is the second visit by WWOOF, if not, a similar article was started about a year ago and came up for VFD, I did not participate in those comments, but I thought it had been decided to delete it. (WT-en) 2old 09:28, 3 January 2008 (EST)
 * Searching does not turn it up in vfd archives. (WT-en) Pashley 19:36, 5 January 2008 (EST)
 * Merge and redirect, as Cacahuate suggests. This seems clear. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:24, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Outcome: Redirected to Making a difference --(WT-en) Nick 03:10, 18 January 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Wyndham (Western Australia)

Status upgrade
I have put in as much info as I have and think it's roundabout usable. Any objections to marking this one usable? - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 05:26, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

 * For a small back-of-beyond town with little in the way of sleep and eat possibilities, this is a strong usable article I would say. Well done.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 06:07, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Wyoming

Urbanity
Wyoming is a predominantly urban state. Unlike states with a predominantly agricultural economy, few inhabitants live in areas classified as rural. Please note that the department of the census classifies Wyoming's population as being just over 65% urban. --(WT-en) Embarcadero1 23:43, 19 February 2010 (EST)

 * Calling Wyoming a predominantly urban state would be misleading and pedantic were it not simply ludicrous. Per the 2000 census, urban land area covers 0.17% of the state, putting it dead last among all U.S. states save Alaska. It comes in 32nd for percent of population living in "urban areas," but the census term "urban area" needs to be put into context. Cheyenne a brimming metropolis is not. A small town of 50,000, it is the second smallest city to be the largest city in its state in the country (after Burlington). --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:16, 20 February 2010 (EST)

The state's population is, according to the census, over 65% urban. "Urban" is a term used by the Department of the Census and means 'living in towns or cities'. "Urban" is not a synonym for "urbane", which seems to be Peter's confusion. This aspect of the state has a direct impact on travelers: leaving towns like Casper, there can be gaps of up to 70 miles in services (in fact, there is a scary sign just north of Casper on I-25 that says "next services 68 miles"). This is in direct contrast to more rural states, which typically have agricultural economies (e.g., Nebraska, South Dakota to the East), and have many more small towns scattered across relatively short distances. The term "urban" here was used to replace the misleading term "rural" which was used in the paragraph previously. I'm happy with this version, to which I've made some minor edits. --(WT-en) Embarcadero1 10:00, 20 February 2010 (EST)

 * Urbane is a very different thing from anything I was talking about (the section header was tongue-in-cheek). Regardless, I like your recent edits to the article, which are much more in line with the sort of tone Wikivoyage aims for, so please keep up the good work! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:07, 20 February 2010 (EST)

Updates
Removing some of the brochure-like language from the article:

I've tweaked the wording throughout the article to avoid brochure-like language that is either difficult to establish (e.g., "known for friendly people", "Old West atmosphere") or seems intended to promote rather than describe (e.g., the claim that Wyoming is the origin of cowboy myths; it may be a rich source, but calling it the origin seems a rather pointless stretch).

I've also updated sections on air travel and other logistical aspects of the article. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Embarcadero1 (talk • contribs)

 * One request - while the article already included listings for individual businesses, in general the state article should not include individual museums or businesses - instead, those listings should be in the city article, and the state article would then provide an overview letting the reader know (for example) what cities and or regions to visit for museums. See Maryland for a good example of how this is handled in other state articles. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:54, 23 May 2012 (EDT)

Alternative banner for this article?
I created a new alternative banner for this article (I initially created it first and foremost so that it would be used at the top of the parallel article in the Hebrew edition of Wikivoyage, yet I later decided to also suggest that the English Wikivoyage community would consider using it here as well). So, which banner do you prefer having at the top of this article? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 05:09, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * This is hard, because both are good banners. I'm tending to favor maintaining the boots banner and suggesting that the Devil's Tower banner be put in another article, in either banner or source image form. However, I would not object if others would like to make a change. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:46, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * I really like the boots! Just gives some great local feel --Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:48, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Yes, Lumpytrout has a real talent for catching the atmosphere. I would certainly keep the old banner. —The preceding comment was added by Danapit (talk • contribs)

 * Neutral Syced (talk) 07:31, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

 * I like the cowboy boots. But perhaps the proposed alternative would work on Northeast Wyoming? The banner currently on there is poorly cropped. Powers (talk) 00:43, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I think everyone has had enough time to comment, so I have plunged forward and put the new banner on Northeast Wyoming. You can revert it if you think I've been too hasty in doing so. Ground Zero (talk) 17:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Xcaret

Xcaret

 * Delete, or merge into Cancun. An attraction rather than a destination. We had another of these Mexican park/resorts a while back. What did we do with it? (WT-en) Pashley 01:31, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Delete It is a beutiful spot, but does not meet the somewhere to sleep criteria. It is also covered in Mayan Riviera, as it should be. (WT-en) 2old 11:01, 26 September 2008 (EDT) Change mine to redirect as Pashley so wisely suggests. 13:25, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

 * So redirect to Mayan Riviera? (WT-en) Pashley 06:54, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

New bid

 * DONT DELETE. It has somewhere to sleep criteria. It is not a park/ resort. And it is in the parks cathegory. That's why im doing this new page.
 * It doesn't appear to have any place to sleep within the park itself. (WT-en) Texugo 12:25, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

Yes, there is: It says: 'Next to Xcaret is Occidental Grand Flamenco Xcaret'. It is inside the park. And it is in the park cathegory. Not all the wikivoyage pages have all the issues, and so? A lot of people want to know about Xcaret and they dont know where is it. It is not my first contribution to Wikivoyage or to Wikipedia, I do it for spanish version and this information is useful... Look for Xcaret at wikipedia sp. It is considered a page that can improve Yucatan wikiproject.
 * I'm sorry but this has been voted for deletion by the community in the past, so you're going to have to build consensus for recreating it before putting it back up. Xcaret is a privately-owned park which is only accessible during park hours, which makes it an attraction, not a destination in Wikivoyage's definition of the word. (WT-en) Texugo 12:55, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

And so do Disneyworld and Six Flags...

 * We have a Project:Votes for undeletion page for just this purpose. State your case there.  --(WT-en) inas 16:19, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

Touting
Has now spilled over to the Mayan Riviera page—see Talk:Mayan Riviera. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:03, 17 September 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Xhosa phrasebook

Pronunciation guide
"as if urging on a horse" is perhaps the best little pronunciation guide tidbit on Wikivoyage, kudos ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:27, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Xi'an

Official writing is Xi'an, not Xian. Therefor moved. (WT-en) LiangHH, 04.01.06

 * Wikivoyage follows most common name policy, not official name policy. Therefore moved back. (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:53, 4 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Thank you for plunging forward. Before moving this page again please first read Project:Article naming conventions and Project:Why Wikivoyage doesn't use official names. I note that Google gives:

 * Xian - 3 million references
 * Xi'an - 1.8 million references

 * I think Xian is the most common name, though Xi'an is also well known, so both names should be given approximately equal prominence.

 * Also there is a bug with having a single quote in a page name that causes page errors. I think the page should be moved back to Xian too because it is more popular and less problematic. Sorry to be a pain, but they are the guidelines. Please discuss as I know this move will be controversial. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:05, 4 Jan 2006 (EST)

Moved
I just moved this from Xian to Xi'an. See Talk:Xian for rationale. That page also has various other discussion and was not moved here because this page already existed. Pashley (talk) 08:35, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Universities
I moved the list of universities to here, since there was no context belonging to any of them as to where in Xian they are or why you would want to visit. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 02:49, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 * Xi'an Jiaotong University(西安交通大学)
 * Chang'an University(长安大学) Directly under the administration of Ministry of Education, Chang'an University is one of the State "211 Project" key development universities. It was merged by the former Xi'an Highway University, Xi'an Engineering Institute and Northwest Institute of Construction Engineering on April 18, 2000. Chang’a University is located in the historical and cultural city of Xi'an, and it covers over an area of 2980 Ares.

 * Northwest A&F University（西北农林科技大学）
 * Shaanxi Normal University （陕西师范大学）
 * Northwestern Polytechnical University（西北工业大学）
 * Xi'an Electronic and Science University(西安电子科技大学)
 * Northwest University of Politics and Law(NWUPL)(西北政法大学)
 * Xi'an Medical University(西安医学院)
 * Xi'an International Studies University(西安外国语大学)

Alternative banner for this article?

I created a new alternative banner for this article (I initially created it first and foremost so that it would be used at the top of the parallel article in the Hebrew edition of Wikivoyage, yet I later decided to also suggest that the English Wikivoyage community would consider using it here as well). So, which banner do you prefer having at the top of this article? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 05:30, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * I prefer the proposed new banner because it is a more iconic view to be found in the city. I would also like the picture to be closer up to the statues if possible. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:17, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * The current banner is perfectly good, but I, too, prefer the new one. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:35, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * The topic of the new banner is cool, but what about an alternative picture? The one I suggest is a bit clearer. Danapit (talk) 18:35, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Yes! Danapit's banner was the one I was thinking would look good for Xian :) --Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:55, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Yes indeed, Dana's is the best. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:18, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Alternative 2 Syced (talk) 07:30, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Foreigner-concentrated areas in Xi'an
Since I had been living there until 2019, there was this understanding that foreigners don't go beyond the city wall. It was true, though, that we as the city dwellers hardly saw any foreigners in the "suburbs". So maybe we should consider adding more information of these places... —The preceding comment was added by Theanonymity.de (talk • contribs)

 * By all means, provided there are places of travel interest there (normally around the world you will just find things like apartment buildings, hardware stores and generic fast food places in the suburbs of a city and travelers not visiting someone or traveling for business wouldn't be interested in going there). --Ypsilon (talk) 19:27, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Xiamen

Districts?
We already have one district article, Xiamen/Gulang Yu, and overlapping/should-be-merged stuff at Gulangyu. Jimei is a quite distinct district, almost a separate city, but its article is currently just a redirect to X. There's another large suburb across the big suspension bridge, on the highway toward Zhangzhou and Guangdong. I do not know its name; it looks like it is growing very fast. Xiamen itself could be split up. Downtown, the university district and the newer business district near Marco Polo are some possible divisions.

I do not think Xiamen needs districts yet; it is not that big an article. However, it seemed worth noting the current state here. (WT-en) Pashley 06:51, 2 January 2010 (EST)

 * See for administrative divisions. Turns out the other suburb I mentioned is Haicang. (WT-en) Pashley 07:42, 2 January 2010 (EST)

There is now more discussion of this at Talk:Gulang Yu. Pashley (talk) 22:08, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

 * We now have articles at Gulangyu (Gulang Yu and Xiamen/Gulang Yu are now redirects to that) and Jimei and Haicang, though the last is just a stub. This can be revisited later if need be, but for now, it works. Pashley (talk) 19:08, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

 * I added a "districts" section, with a map from Commons and some links, into the article. I think we are done, unless the article later becomes large enough to consider splitting it. Pashley (talk) 17:33, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

A related question: where should the IsPartOf links in the district articles point? Currently the one for Gulangyu points to Xiamen, but the other three — Jimei, Haicang and Xiang'an — all point to South Coast (Fujian). I think that is OK, but are there other opinions? Pashley (talk) 19:40, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Ferries
There's mention of ferry travel from Xiamen to Taiwan, but no links on where to get more information, by tickets, which ferry to use or how to find the harbor. Any of this information would improve this article. User:(WT-en) Anon16:58 June, 21 2010 (CST)

 * This is now dealt with; see Xiamen. Pashley (talk) 13:43, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

 * Moved to Xiamen. Pashley (talk) 17:03, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Lede
Ok, people stop reverting the erroneous introduction to Xiamen. "Xiamen (厦门; Xiàmén) is a coastal city in Fujian Province in China. Generally not considered a "must see" destination in China, it does have a number of attractions, an interesting history and is tourist friendly." Although I can't say that Xiamen is the biggest tourist destination in China, having a header like that detters travelers on going there. I know Xiamen to be more tourism oriented than most other cities listed here, and yet they dont have that header.

 * With the new intro, the city appears less attractive than with the old one, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 02:42, 19 May 2010 (EDT)

 * I changed it. OK now? Pashley (talk) 14:31, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Guide?
I think this is now close to guide status & then a DotM nomination. What do others think & what does it need to get the rest of the way? Note that although Gulangyu is a separate article, it is also Xiamen's most important tourist area, so the two need some sort of joint evaluation. Pashley (talk) 01:01, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

 * Parts of it are, I think, now very good but other parts need cleanup/re-organising/de-touting, ... I've gone about as far as I can. Any volunteers to continue? Pashley (talk) 14:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I did some of that. It still needs both cleanup & expansion. Pashley (talk) 02:24, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

 * By now, I think it needs only some added listings. Other opinions? Pashley (talk) 00:17, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

No comment in a while, so I'll plunge forward. I bumped both this article & Gulangyu to guide and am about to add a DotM nomination. Pashley (talk) 13:29, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

 * Did that. See Destination_of_the_month_candidates. Pashley (talk) 18:07, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

 * There were criticisms and suggestions there & I made some changes as a result.

 * What would it need to reach star? The only thing I see is a broader range of listings. Pashley (talk)

Passports for the Kinmen trip?
A few years back a South African friend tried to take the boat from Mawei (near Fuzhou) to Matsu, a Taiwan-controlled island like Kinmen. He was not allowed to board; officials said there was a list of 15 acceptable passports and SA was not on it. Our Quanzhou article says the ferry from there to Kinmen allows only Chinese & Taiwanese.

What are the rules for the Xiamen-Kinmen ferry? Pashley (talk) 23:13, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

 * My experience (February 2012) was that the ferry from Shijing (south of Quanzhou) would only carry passengers with PRC or ROC travel documents. The ferry between Xiamen (Dongdu terminal, near downtown) to Kinmen seemed to offer no problems to third-country nationals, at least not to one with a Canadian passport. The staff seemed pretty relaxed. If there was any list of "acceptable passports", I did not see it posted anywhere there. Naturally, any passengers going from PRC to ROC or back must satisfy general entry rules for the jurisdiction in question, i.e. either have a passport to allow enter the destination country without a visa, or have an appropriate entry visa. Besides Dongdu, Xiamen has enother ferry terminal for Kinmen boats (located somewhere near the NE corner of Xiamen island), and about their rules I know nothing. -- Vmenkov (talk) 22:14, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

 * My info above (South African turned away) is from about 2010 and for all I know it was just a question of him not having a Taiwan visa; according to Taiwan he'd need one. What he told me, though, was that there was a list & SA was not on it. He also said the officials made a point of assuring him this was a Taiwan requirement, not their fault & not something they could fix.
 * It would be good if we could discover & document the exact rules, but I do not think that would be easy. Pashley (talk) 23:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

 * I lived in the region & knew Americans, Canadians & Brits who made the Xiamen-Kinmen trip with no problem; the only person I heard of who had difficulty was a South African on the Fuzhou-Matsu route. Still, that leaves some open questions & my info is all 2012 or earlier. Pashley (talk) 04:21, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Xiamen
I changed this section from the WV-standard Budget/Mid-range/Splurge setup to put a whole neighborhood under Xiamen. This seemed logical to me. Other opinions? Pashley (talk) 21:09, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I undid that. Most of those places are upmarket, so I moved them all to the otherwise empty "Splurge" section. This is not ideal, since some places in the area are fairly cheap, but it works.
 * I'd still like to hear opinions or suggestions. Pashley (talk) 04:57, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Re-arranged again. I'm now happy with it, but comment is still invited.
 * Additional listings would also be good. Pashley (talk) 15:18, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Botanical garden
This is written up on Bill Brown's site and sounds interesting. Would anyone care to describe it here? Can you give clearer directions than Brown manages? Pashley (talk) 21:38, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

 * I added it, but further contributions would be nice. Pashley (talk) 18:29, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Yundang Lake or Yuandang Lake?
Which is the correct name? "Xiamen Yundang Lake" gives 10,000-odd Google hits; with Yuandang 450-odd thousand. Both names occur on the Xiamen government site linked at the top of the article, and on Amoymagic.com (a guide by a long-term expat), though Yuandang is about twice as frequent on both. The Wikipedia article has only Yundang.

Which is actually correct? Or are they alternate romanisations of the same Chinese character so either could be used? Pashley (talk) 21:59, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

 * The Marco Polo hotel is on the lake. Their downloadable brochure shows "Yuandang". Google maps has "Yundang". I'm confused! Pashley (talk) 22:04, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

 * I'll go with Yundang Lake. 筼 can be romanised to yuan or yun, but watching a Xiamen news report on promoting water sports indicate that it's pronounced as Yundang Hu (Lake). - Torty3 (talk) 01:06, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

 * A Xiamen-dwelling Chinese I know finally answered my email question; she says Yundang. With the above, we have a consensus so I have made the change. Pashley (talk) 11:55, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

A deletion
I removed this listing: That listing is almost content free and web search turned up nothing about the place except several more sites giving WT as their source or listings on other sites for places like Miss Zhao's Cake & Tea Shop or Miss Cherry's Cafe.

It should be restored if anyone knows enough to do a decent listing. Pashley (talk) 20:55, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Map oddity
There is now a link to a map at the top right of the article — great idea, well done to whoever is responsible. However, the map it points to to has an oddity; the marker for Xiamen is in the wrong position by many miles, outside Xiamen municipality.

I have no idea how to fix this. One guess is that it is a rounding error; the geo co-ordinates in our article are less precise than what WP gives. Pashley (talk) 14:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

page banner
What about this one? Danapit (talk) 14:31, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

 * Nice! I'll put it in. Pashley (talk) 14:58, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

 * I am not completely happy with the banner, but I didn't find any better. And I don't have the feeling for the place, as Ive never been there. Alternatively I cropped the original one, so it can be used. Or maybe somebody comes up with yet another suggestion. Danapit (talk) 06:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Trains?
Xiamen says a couple of new services are due to start running in Sept. & Oct. 2013. It is November; does anyone know if they opened on schedule? In particular, the one to Shenzhen would make a huge difference in the accessibilty of Xiamen. Pashley (talk) 02:02, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Xiamen–Shenzhen Railway says 26 December. Pashley (talk) 13:13, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

 * SCMP (Hong Kong newspaper) says it went into service on 28th. I've updated this article, but not others that may need it.

 * I can find nothing to confirm if the Xiamen-Nanchang high-speed line is running. It was obviously well along in construction when I was last in the area (mid-2012) and at one point I saw a claim it would go into service autumn 2013. Anyone know? Pashley (talk) 17:28, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

 * I personally haven't used it but I looked it up on various train schedule sites and there are connections from Xiamen North to Nanchang West in under 5 hours. The train number starts with a D, so it's a high speed train or so called bullet train. So to make an educated guess, I would say yes they are up and running. --Nalfion (talk) 03:25, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Sounds right. I have updated the article. 04:03, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the w:Xiangtang–Putian Railway opened in September 2013, and it does carry a large number of high-speed (D-series) trains from Fujian's coastal cities (Fuzhou, Xiamen) to Nanchang, Wuhan, and other points inland. -- Vmenkov (talk) 22:17, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Headings experiment
I am trying an experiment on the Xiamen and Gulangyu articles to see how changes of headings affect search engine placement. The discussion that led to it was in the pub but has now been swept to Wikivoyage talk:Search Expedition.

This section will document changes and results. First, some baseline data, before any changes. Default search engine for me, google.ca

 * "Xiamen" First 4 are WP, What's on Xiamen, Travelchinaguide, WT in that order. WV turns on 5th page, with Lonely Planet just ahead of us.
 * "Xiamen tourism" puts a bunch of other guides up top, moves WT & WP down to bottom of 1st page. We go down to page 7.
 * "Xiamen travel" has WT first, Lonely Planet middle of 1st page, WV at bottom
 * "Xiamen travel guide" has WT 3rd, WV 4th, LP 9th
 * "Xiamen accommodation" has lots of ads pop up, then pages of booking engines. LP turns up on page 6, WP on 8. Neither WT nor WV on 1st 10 pages.
 * "Xiamen hotels" is similar
 * "Gulangyu": WP #1, WT 7, WV 9

My first test will be to change Sleep to Accommodation, wait a week or two for engines to update indexes, and see if that changes rank for the last two. Pashley (talk) 15:43, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

 * It seems to have had no effect on rank for either "Xiamen accommodation" or "Xiamen hotels".
 * We aren't the only ones with a problem. Lonely Planet and what is probably the best guide to X, Amoy Magic, are both way down the listings as well and the local tourist office does not rank high on most searches. 17:09, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Testing again, three years later: In general, we still aren't getting the ranking we want. Pashley (talk) 21:18, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Xiamen: WP #1, Xiamen Airlines 2, then four other travel guides including LP, then WT 7th, WV 8th
 * Xiamen tourism: LP & WT on first page, WV near top of 2nd
 * Xiamen travel: WT #6, LP 8, WV 12
 * Gulangyu: WP #1, WV 2, WT 6, so we are doing better there

And again, after 5 more years: Interesting. Not sure if anything might be done to improve rankings. Pashley (talk) 09:21, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Xiamen: WP, Xiamen Airlines, Britannica, then WV is 4th. No sign of WT on first three pages
 * Xiamen tourism: Tripadvisor #1, WT #2. WV is 9th
 * Xiamen travel: top 3 in order are trip.com, WT, WV
 * Gulangyu: WP #1, 2-6 various travel sites, WV 7th. No sign of WT on first three pages

About banner
I changed file:Xiamen banner Roof ornament.jpg to file:An overall view of Xiamen Island.jpg.I think it is better.This is a panoramic view of Xiamen Island. 악준동 (talk) 06:23, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Metro
Current text has:
 * "Three more lines are under construction, and are scheduled to open 2020-2022."

Does anyone have more up-to-date info? Pashley (talk) 22:54, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I've updated this. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Xian

Official writing is Xi'an, not Xian. Therefor moved. (WT-en) LiangHH, 04.01.06

 * Thank you for plunging forward. However the page has been moved back because Wikivoyage doesn't automatically use official names for its articles. Before moving this page again please first read Project:Article naming conventions and Project:Why Wikivoyage doesn't use official names. I note that Google gives:

 * Xian - 3 million references
 * Xi'an - 1.8 million references

 * I think Xian is the most common name, though Xi'an is also well known, so both names should be given approximately equal prominence.

 * Also there is a bug with having a single quote in a page name that causes page errors. I think the page should stay called Xian too because it is more popular and less problematic. Sorry to be a pain, but they are the guidelines. Please discuss as I know this is controversial. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:08, 4 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * I think the apostrophe is strictly speaking unnecessary by the conventions of pinyin (which don't require it here) and by common sense assuming some familiarity with Chinese (neither X-ian nor Xia-n are possible). I suspect the intent of adopting it officially is to make the laowai pronounce "she-ahn" instead of "sheeann" -- but let's face it, unless they know pinyin, people will by default guess something like "ksee-ann" anyway, apostrophe or no apostrophe. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:48, 4 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * I am totally oblivious to what spoken Chinese words sound like. To me Xian reads like echsi-an or zi-an and rhymes with Exxon or zion, for example. I have to remember x in Chinese is more like sh rather than ch or zh in English. -- (WT-en) Huttite 16:02, 4 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * That the google search Xian gives more results, shows, most people dont know the official usage. So in my opinion, an encyclopedia would always have correct enteries, not enteries adjusted to common mistakes. Xian is 3Mio times spelled wrong on Google, Accomodation 9,9Mio times. However, I see the guidelines in wikivoyage are clear.(WT-en) LiangHH 12:00, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC+8)

 * Xian is the one syllable pinyin spelling of various single, solo, 1, Chinese characters. Xi'an is the two syllable pinyin spelling of the two, 2, Chinese characters 西安, the name of the city in question. Google finding more oranges than apples does not make them one fruit. The correct spelling works on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi'an and we should use it here, too. I have studied Chinese and can see that the need to write this correctly may not be as apparent to those who have not. I trust (WT-en) LiangHH knows something of the Chinese language. Liang is a Chinese surname. I think it is time to fix this simple error and record why. So I will ask (WT-en) Huttite to move Xian to Xi'an. Hope this helps :-) (WT-en) Rogerhc 02:06, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

 * We're not an encyclopedia. If Xian is more common, then we call it Xian, just like we call Bangkok "Bangkok", not Krung Thep. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:45, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Can I suggest everyone read Project:Article naming conventions and Project:Why Wikivoyage doesn't use official names again. Yes the official name for the Chinese might be Xi'an but the common English usage seems to be Xian. The page name, which creates the URL, is not so important provided both Xian and Xi'an both redirect to the same article. And while we are at it maybe we should also redirect she-ahn, sheeann and ksee-ann here as well, since they are how the English could spell the name phonetically. And NO I am not moving it unless there is a better reason than the official name. -- (WT-en) Huttite 04:47, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

 * I don't think it's worth the effort to create redirects for phonetic spellings. If someone's guessing at the spelling of a place name, odds are they're trying to remember how they saw it, not how they heard it.

Titling this page Xian is like a bird guide calling a bluebird a blue jay. Grrrrrrr. What kind of bird guide does that? Some people mistakenly write Xian when they mean Xi'an. So what helps the traveler best is to make Xian a redirect to Xi'an, not to mis-title a travel guide page Xian. :-) (WT-en) Rogerhc 17:29, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Well, the "correct" name is Xī'ān (if we're splitting hairs, the diacritics are in), Hsi-An, Sian, 西安, or even Сиань, depending on what system you are using. But we have a populist, "blue-jay" policy to use the most common English name, which does seem to be Xian. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 18:47, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

 * And this debate is particularly silly as there is no other town called Xian, with or without the apostrophe. So a traveler punches in "Xian", they get the right city.  They punch in "Xi'an", they still get the right city. 有无有问题？ (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:57, 8 June 2007 (EDT)

Will anyone really object if I move this to the correct name Xi'an, of course with a redirect from Xian? Wikipedia and Commons both use Xi'an, as do Lonely Planet, Trip advisor, rail schedules, ... It was also the form in use among expats in China when I was there.

As I see it, this should be a completely uncontroversial change and is long overdue. The only plausible reason given above for using Xian is that the apostrophe might confuse the parser; that is clearly no longer true, if it ever was, since Xi'an, the redirect at Chang'an and Xiamen's suburbs Tong'an and Xiang'an all work fine. Pashley (talk) 15:57, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

 * We should use the same name for the city as WP and Commons do (shouldn't we?) so I'd say go ahead. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:14, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Kids' Castle
I have a TEFL and on the TEFL forum Kids' Castle is red flagged as being on of the places you should never work in China for reasons ranging from teachers not recieving thier pay for months to physical assaults on English teachers if they try to leave their jobs there. Should this be mentioned in the article? I think it should. 84.64.78.163 09:14, 6 May 2007 (EDT)

Page structure
There's something strange going on with the edit links - they take you to the wrong section. Also, not all the sections show up in the index at the top. I hope that this is the right place to make this kind of comment! --(WT-en) Christiantc 11:11, 8 August 2007 (EDT)

Trim down Tang Paradise description?
I am pretty sure the description on Tang Paradise in the Sights section is written by their PR department. The park itself is faux history, hardly worth the amount of words devoted to it. - Tigerleapgorge (talk) 18:43, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Xiazhou

This page should not exist; first of all, the place is called xiaozhou, not xiazhou. It does not need to be its own page but a place listed under Guangzhou. (WT-en) Jianhuang 02:21, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Xining

how to find quality but budget places to stay? i can't believe i have to shell out 150rmb a night in the middle of china for a clean and safe place to sleep? thx alfons@travelsheep.com

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Talk:Xinjiang

see also: Talk:Xinjiang/Archive

"Fake News"
Content around the Chinese crackdown on Uighers was removed in this diff - I do not believe this crackdown is fake at all, however the content was not exactly travel relevant. Should it just be rewritten or returned to the original text? Andrewssi2 (talk) 05:12, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

 * I don't think it's travel-irrelevant that thousands of people are being rounded up and put in concentration camps. WV:Be fair suggests reverting this edit. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:13, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

 * And reverted accordingly. Let's watch to see whether this user also tries to whitewash the situation in Tibet. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:37, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

 * Is this really travel-irrelevant?

 * Mr Bekali’s case stands out because he was a foreign citizen, of Kazakhstan, who was seized by China’s security agencies and detained for eight months last year without recourse. Although some details are impossible to verify, two Kazakh diplomats confirmed he was held for seven months and then sent to re-education.

 * I rest my case. Muslims travelers are travelers, too, right? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:31, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

 * I agree, it's definitely travel relevant, especially for Muslims. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 16:52, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

 * I'd say the edit that originally removed the content is disruptive editing. It's the only contribution the IP address has made, and therefore it doesn't look like the IP user is interested in contributing. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 16:53, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

 * The IP address is, unsurprisingly, a Chinese one. I agree with restoring the text, but think it should be worded differently. Pashley (talk) 01:19, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

 * What wording would you like to use? Reports like this one have been posted on the BBC website lately, so the repression is getting more and more severe. Note the term "cultural genocide" and the description of how the Chinese government is perpetrating it:

 * Back in Xinjiang, the research shows that all children now find themselves in schools that are secured with "hard isolation closed management measures." Many of the schools bristle with full-coverage surveillance systems, perimeter alarms and 10,000 Volt electric fences, with some school security spending surpassing that of the camps.

 * The policy was issued in early 2017, at a time when the detentions began to be dramatically stepped up. Was the state, Mr Zenz wonders, seeking to pre-empt any possibility on the part of Uighur parents to forcibly recover their children?

 * "I think the evidence for systematically keeping parents and children apart is a clear indication that Xinjiang's government is attempting to raise a new generation cut off from original roots, religious beliefs and their own language," he tells me.

 * "I believe the evidence points to what we must call cultural genocide."

 * Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:35, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

May 2020
I've made some further adjustments. Unfortunately, it's very hard to verify things these days because Chinese media will naturally downplay the Chinese government's human rights abuses, but Western media will also exaggerate it. I've looked at a number of travel blogs, and from those blogs, it looks like Uyghur culture is still very much alive, while the much feared "cultural genocide" in Kashgar appears not to have happened; Uyghur families have already moved back to the renovated parts of the old town, and Id Kah Mosque is still in operation.

I'd like to point out that there are Uyghur vloggers who are active on Chinese social media and openly sharing their language and culture, so while it's certainly true that the Chinese government can be really harsh on separatists and wants to force the ethnic minorities to be loyal to the Chinese state, it is not true that the Chinese government is Han supremacist and seeks to eradicate minority cultures. That's certainly an exaggeration by the Western media. For that matter, ethnic minorities, including the Uyghurs are and have always been exempted from the one child policy. The dog2 (talk) 18:04, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

 * I read the edit summaries. I think the current text softpedals things at least a bit by not mentioning any figures of how many civilians have been detained in "re-education camps" in Xinjiang, but I trust you guys and accept the bases of your edits. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

 * The "one million" figure is something that was come up with by Uyghur independence activists. Nobody knows the real number. It could be more or less, so I think it's best to just leave that out. At this point, we don't have any way to independently verify. The dog2 (talk) 23:14, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

 * SCMP (Hong Kong's main English newspaper) has "The UN has estimated that up to a million members of Muslim minority groups are being held in the camps." Quite a few other media give similar numbers & by no means only western media; here's Al Jazeera talking about a million in camps & half a million kids separated from their parents so they can be indoctrinated more easily.
 * I do not think there is any doubt at all we should mention the one million figure, albeit labelling it as an estimate. It is important for anyone considering a trip to Xinjiang to have some idea of the scale of repression there. Pashley (talk) 09:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * FWIW, have a look at and . And perhaps have a listen to  as well. The dog2 (talk) 10:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a time when reliable sources need to be considered. What does AP say? I’m not sure YouTube videos are the best sources of information. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 10:48, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see any numbers. There's no doubt that the detention camps exist, and there's no doubt that the Chinese government can be very harsh in it's crackdowns on political dissent. I'm not disputing either of those things. But read the articles I included, and have a look at their scrutiny of the "one million" number. Maybe I'm missing something, but I do think they raise some serious questions on that number. The video is just to help to put the articles into a broader context. I wouldn't necessarily consider her authoritative, not do I agree with her on everything, but I think she makes good points. The dog2 (talk) 11:10, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

 * To me SCMP is usually the best source in English for anything about China & Al Jazeera is another highly reliable source, except perhaps for some Middle East matters where their biases interfere. Pashley (talk) 11:29, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

 * In this case, SCMP made a mistake. The 1 million figure was not an official UN estimate. It was from a statement made by one member of UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination in his capacity as the American representative, and we don't know his methodology for arriving at that number. The UN never released any official estimates. As for the Al Jazeera article, Adrian Zenz is a far-right Christian fundamentalist, and the only reason why he is so well-respected in the West is because of his anti-China stance. So I don't trust his figures either. Ultimately, we know that the camps exist, but we don't know what the real numbers are, and it's not for us to speculate. Let's just stick to the facts that are known. The dog2 (talk) 15:50, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * “Far right Christian fundamentalist”? Wikipedia doesn’t say so. Are you sure you know that for a fact? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 17:48, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You can have a look at a book he wrote and if you look at this tweet. He has espoused homophobic and misogynistic positions, and he's a conspiracy theory there's a double standard when it comes to terrorism that supposedly discriminates against white Christians in favour of Muslims. There are many such people who will exaggerate China's human rights abuses against Muslims, but go back to their own countries and advocate for Islamophobia. The dog2 (talk) 18:30, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Huh? The dog2, that tweet seems to be by Burmese activist Maung Zarni, not by Adrian Zenz. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:39, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, maybe I copied the wrong one, but this should be it. The dog2 (talk) 18:46, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If the figure of 1 million might not be accurate, is "in the hundreds of thousands or more" really controversial with anyone of good will (i.e., not self-serving Communist Party officials knowingly lying or their supporters who are uninformed due to censorship and/or want this covered up)? I recall reading that estimates have been made based on the number and capacity of facilities photographed by satellites and the amount of traffic to them. And I don't think being fair requires that officials or supporters of a dictatorship agree on facts. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:37, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen any good estimates, so perhaps the word "many" would be appropriate because for that, we don't really need precise figures. By the way, the "one million" figure seems to be in the stay safe area. If we say that "Western sources" claim that over 1 million were detained, I think that's probably fine too. For obvious reasons, it's probably close to impossible to get good estimates. The dog2 (talk) 04:14, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'm quibbling too much, but "many" could mean 1,000. Perhaps an expression like "a very large number" or some rough equivalent could be used. In terms of the figure of 1 million, since it's being attributed in this thread to independence advocates, those aren't Western sources except inasmuch as they're from (North)western China. I think it's better to say quite a lot and remove the number if it's very unreliable as an estimate. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:59, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Amnesty International says "hundreds of thousands". We should use that. Pashley (talk) 08:21, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * In another article they have "the estimated 1 million or more people". Pashley (talk) 08:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd be more comfortable using Amnesty International's figures. The WUC is an Uyghur separatist group, so I don't know how reliable their figures will be given that they have a political agenda, and they're very much closely linked with regime-change arms of the US government, whose goal is to preserve US hegemony, and with Turkish far-right groups. So while I understand people being concerned about the plight of the Uyghur civilians detained by China, the claims made by some of these groups should be scrutinised. It is very common for US media to label people or groups as "human rights defenders" or "freedom fighters" (like they did with Muslim extremist groups in Afghanistan in the 1980s) as long as they're fighting against a geopolitical opponent, only for their ideology to turn out problematic on proper scrutiny. The dog2 (talk) 16:59, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I think you should be more careful labelling groups on the political spectrum, such as “far left” and “far right.” It doesn’t contribute to the discussion and immediately becomes highly controversial, as political alignments and their causes vary from country to country. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 17:12, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Just to say, I'm fine with using Amnesty's estimates and agree that they are less likely to be biased than organizations dedicated to independence for Xinjiang or opposition to China, as Amnesty simply opposes abuses, regardless of which government is doing them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:29, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Borrow some text?
This is a paragraph I wrote at Tibet:

 * To a considerable extent, the issues in Tibet are the same as for indigenous peoples anywhere, such as Uyghurs in China's western province Xinjiang or the native peoples in North or South America. The government points proudly to development work such as mines, railways and highways; locals complain that those facilities are all owned by outsiders, outsiders get most of the good jobs while locals do most of the heavy work, and environmental consequences are often ignored. The government say they are improving education; locals complain that the system aims at forcing assimilation by using a language foreign to them. Immigration is encouraged and sometimes subsidized; locals complain of an influx of outsiders that do not want to adapt to local culture and often do not even bother to learn the local language. When the locals get really agitated, the government does not hesitate to send in troops to "restore order"; generally the locals see this as vicious repression, but the government claim they are only dealing appropriately with "hostile Indians", "reactionary elements" or whatever.

Would something similar be useful here? Pashley (talk) 09:54, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Perhaps, but the situation is different, so we can't just copy it wholesale. The forced immigration of Han Chinese to Xinjiang was mainly during the cultural revolution, and to my knowledge, such a scheme no longer exists today. Perhaps the issues on language are similar, but while it's true that the Uyghurs are forced to learn Chinese, there are actually Uyghur-medium schools where they study Chinese as a second language. The main issue is that the job prospects are not as good as for those who graduate from Chinese-mediun schools, and some Uyghur parents are opting to send their kids to Chinese-medium schools instead because of that, so that has been a cause for some resentment. The dog2 (talk) 10:42, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Huh???
red water??? —The preceding comment was added by Highjumpermsu (talk • contribs)

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Talk:Xinjiao

I marked it isIn|Guangdong Should it be isIn|Guangzhou?

 * If it's a separate town from the traveller's POV, then isIn|Guangdong is fine. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:04, 7 April 2006 (EDT)

 * I reverted back to 'IsIn|Guangzhou' before I read your comment. Xinjiao is located in the Guangzhou suburb of Haizhu . Identifying the town as being either in Guangzhou or Guangdong is fine. I'll leave the decision in your capable hands. (WT-en) WindHorse 7 April 06

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Talk:Xunantunich

How on earth does it make sense to have a link to Cahel Pech from this page? It might be more sensible to mention that it's near San Ignacio?

In what sense is crossing the border into Guatemala an "experience"? I've found it to be rather painless and fairly straightforward.

Valid aticle check
At first this looked like it didn't qualify as an article under WIAA, however it isn't close to a major city (just near tiny village of San Jose Succotz and seems to be a large(ish) Archaeological_sites. Therefore suggest leaving as-is. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:20, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Y

VfD discussion
Copy of VfD discussion, resulting in a keep:

According to Wikipedia, Y (Alaska) is just the name of a census area, so it's not a real city. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 12:23, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
 * As we define "city", it might be. CDPs are usually populated places that are not officially incorporated but have a legitimate name.  It may very well be the best name for that particular community.  (WT-en) LtPowers 12:52, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

 * I think this is a time where we should look to the old faithful, Can you sleep there, for guidance. We don't have an article for every crossroads on the map applies even where there are few roads, and where they may not even cross. --(WT-en) inas 00:23, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
 * I agree. Wikipedia says, though, "Many residents are self-employed in a variety of small businesses, including lodging, guiding and charter services."  That's indicative that an article could probably be written.  (WT-en) LtPowers 09:33, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

 * Sounds convincing. I guess Keep.  --(WT-en) inas 20:39, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Yacht charter

This is just one small aspect of a much larger subject about boats as well as about charters. You can also hire or rent a boat, and that may not be a charter, because, as I understand a charter, the person that owns the boat charters both the boat and some crew (generally including the owner). A charter can also apply to a bus or an aircraft; a taxi could even be considered a charter, (though the short duration of most journeys is a mitigating factor). As I think of a charter, I envisage a fully equiped vessel or vehicle, probably with an experienced crew, to assist. It need not just be a yatch but could be a fishing boat, dive boat, or a form of land or air transport. You could participate in the crewing, etc, or just sit back and let the chartered crew do all the work. The charter though implies exclusive use, without uninvited "guests". -- (WT-en) Huttite 19:01, 19 May 2006 (EDT)

 * I'd suggest making this just a section in a larger Yachting topic. (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:57, 19 May 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Yaeyama Islands

Information on these islands is incredibly difficult to obtain: to the best of my knowledge, I own the only guidebook on the topic and it's in Japanese. I'll finally be heading down in a few weeks' time and hereby declare my intention to make Wikivoyage the best place on the web for English information on them. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:58, 23 Mar 2005 (EST)

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Talk:Yagen Valley

I visited both Osorezen and Yagen on the same day, but it was a bit of a rush to get to Yagen on-time and I am not sure if you could do this unless you stay at Hotel New Yagen who will send a shuttle to pick you up from the bus stop at Ohata (you have to take the bus first from Mutsu/Shimokita to Osorezen, then back, then grab another bus to Ohata from the Mutsu/Shimokita station, and you have to time them perfectly, which gives you a couple of hours at Osorezen). I speak a little Japanese which made this a pretty simple trip, communication-wise, but the women at the Tourist info booth next to the Shimokita station spoke good english and was very helpful. Note that there is a new tourist info booth at the Shimokita station so you don't need to get to the bus stop in Mutsu. You can even catch the bus to Osorezen/Yagen from there.

The problem with getting to either location (Yagen/Osorezen) is that there are very few JR Ominato trains that run from Noheji to Matsu/Shimokita (a couple a day, if I recall correctly) so even if you get to Noheji early, you may have a wait a long time for the train which limits what you can do that day.

The Hotel New Yagen is pretty neglected and not worth the cost, so I would not recommend as a good Ryokan/Hotel experiance, but it is convenient and a short walk to the onsens and the people are friendly.

There are three Onsen worth visiting, two of which are marked as "closed" and unusable(both the famous Kapa Onsen and another that is not often market on English maps, but lies along the river on the right hand side of the road about 1/2 way between the Hotel New Yagen and the Kapa Onsen). However, I met some Japanese locals on the walk to both and they encouraged me to use them anyhow. In fact, the Hotel owners said that I was no allowed to go into the Kapa Onsen but there were several older Japanese using it and when I asked if i could come in, the welcomed be warmly. Both are amazing. Truly spiritual experiances. I was alone in the one and it was like almost no other experiance in my life - the rain was falling lightly, the onsen is just a few feet above the height or the river water and no one was around.

It is a long haul back to Tokyo but it's do-able in a day. Many Japanese have no clue where these places are so if you visit, you will have a few good stories to tell when you return.

Good luck!

 * Wow, sounds great. I stayed with a friend of mine who lived in Misawa for a few months, and this was one of the many places we visited. We set north in our Hilux Surf, with some nice firewood, guitars, and hiking gear. We ended up staying at the Yagen Campground, which is staffed by a groundskeeper who (at least when we were there) spoke some English. Knowing some japanese will definitely get you a long way especially if you want to socialize. After a nice day of hiking around up and down the river and some 4x4 adventures on a VERY tight dirt mountain road, we headed back to the campground, struck camp, and started barbecuing. You'll find on the left side of the campground that there is a sizeable bbq pit in addition to toilets.

 * After dinner we went to the central fire pit, which was vacant, but flanked by some japanese making 'campfires' in their little grills. They watched in curiosity and surely some degree of amazement as the tall gaijin returned time after time with deadwood from the neighboring forest and stacked it up a nice log cabin. We set a match to it, stood back, and cracked open some sapporos. While things were getting going, the neighboring japanese came by and asked if they might sit down and join us. Hell! It was a communal fire pit! So lo, it was me, my tall german friend and 15 or so locals going over the finer points of fire-building and exchanging drinks and stories. Yagen is probably one of my favorite memories from Japan, and I'm amazed at how wild the country is outside of the urban areas. Pristine, untouched, and rarely visited, yet still accessible via excellent roads. Just make sure that as a gaijin you help to keep everything as nice as it is. The natural beauty of these areas is as fragile as it is revered by the locals.

 * -Godzilla (209.6.95.50 15:45, 11 July 2011 (EDT))

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Talk:Yakutsk

Map
I realize I may be out of luck on this one, but if anyone ever comes across a free open-content map source, or free open-content satellite image of Yakutsk, I'd really like to make a map for this article. If you happen to own a source for a map of Yakutsk, please consider licensing it under a CC-by-SA license, and contacting me so I can use it. A map is just about all this article needs to become a star! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:55, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

 * OSM now has the data for me to create the map, and I've found a website to help me place addresses . This is going to be tough to make, but it will be worth it to star this article. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:36, 23 February 2011 (EST)

 * And remarkably, we now have maps for Yakutsk! Some more polishing, hunting down missing details, and fixing up a proper buy section, and this will be a star. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:36, 22 June 2011 (EDT)

Questions
Good article, but I have questions. It says 62 North, but "enjoy the White Nights when the sun never sets". I thought midnight sun was only above arctic circle, so 67 North. Also, why is there no mention of the Northern Lights? They would be lovely at that latitude, I think. (WT-en) Pashley 05:17, 11 November 2008 (EST)

 * Above 60 N or so, the sun does technically speaking set (going below the horizon), but there is still so much reflected light that it never gets dark -- hence White Nights. True Midnight Sun is, as you state, only above 67 N. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:24, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Kolyma Highway
I recently hitch-hiked the length of the Kolyma highway, and I'm about to plunge forward and update/fix/write a LOT of information about this rather under-represented area of the world for wikivoyage. If you have any questions, message me through my profile. With regards to this article, I think the section on 'the other road' is funny but not accurate, so will be fixing it first. (WT-en) Kcharles 07:28, 23 August 2010 (EDT)

Listings instead of markers
There are some listings in flowing text where usually there'd be markers. I guess that wouldn't be a problem, but the asterisk is ugly Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:37, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Yala

TAT Listings
I moved the TAT clutter to Talk:Yala/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 19:11, 5 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Yala/Listings

See
City Pillar Shrine (ศาลหลักเมือง) is located on Thanon Phiphitphakdi, in front of the City Hall. His Majesty the King graciously gave the top of the pillar to Yala on 18 May B.E. 2505. This shrine houses the City Pillar made of Chaiyapruk wood. It is 50 centimetres tall, bottom circumference is 43 inches, top circumference is 36 inches with the four-faced Bhrama and a flame on top. The surrounding area is a park that has been nicely tended. A festival to celebrate the City Pillar is held during 25-31 May. Yala Central Mosque (มัสยิดกลางจังหวัดยะลา) is the main mosque of the province, completed in B.E. 2527, in western architectural style intertwined with the unique mosque frame. The front has about 30 wide steps leading to the upper terrace. The roof is square with a dome in the middle. Sanam Chang Phueak Park (สวนสาธารณะสนามช้างเผือก) is located on Thanon Phiphitphakdi in an 80-rai plot of land (1 acre = 2.5 rai). It was used as the ground to give the King a white elephant (chang phueak) named “Phra Sawet Sura Khachathan” on 9 March B.E. 2511. The Park has a pavilion in the middle of a large pond and various sculpture of animals. The ground of the Park is also used for provincial activities. Suan Khwan Mueang(สวนขวัญเมือง) is located on Thanon Thetsaban 1, about 300 metres from the City Pillar Shrine. Its vast area of 207 rai has a separate sportsground and a 69 rai pond, landscaped with sandy beach and sea pines to remedy the landlocked problem of the province. Furthermore, singing bird contest (Nok Kao Java) is often held at this Park since it is the largest and the best ground for such contest in the south. Wat Khuhaphimuk or Wat Na Tham (พระพุทธไสยาสน์วัดคูหาภิมุขหรือวัดหน้าถ้ำ) is one of the three most revered places of the south, along with Phra Borommathat at Nakhon Si Thammarat and Phra Borommathat Chaiya at  Surat Thani, signifying the importance of Buddhism in the area since the Srivijaya Period. This temple is located in Tambon Na Tham, about eight kilometres from the city centre, on the road to Amphoe Yaha. A stream runs through the ground of the temple. A figure of a giant, made in B.E. 2484 and named by the villagers as “Chao Khao”, protects the entrance of the cave that houses the reclining Buddha. Inside the cave is a large chamber that has been converted into a religious area, with an opening in the roof of the cave that lets in the sunlight. The reclining Buddha has been estimated to have been made in B.E. 1300, around the Srivijaya Period that is 81 feet and one inch long. It is believed that the sculpture was in the Sleeping Narai posture but later modified into the Hinayana reclining Buddha. Tham Mae Nang Montho (ถ้ำแม่นางมณโฑ) is a cave on the Yala-Yaha highway, about six kilometres from the city centre. The cave can be reached with a guide who can be contacted at the foothill. One has to trek through a scrub and a marble quarry for about 15 minutes to the cave entrance. Inside the cave are large connecting chambers that are mostly dark. A torch is highly recommended. The highlight of this place is at the end of the cave with a large stalagmite resembling the shape of a meditating lady, hence the name of the cave. Tham Sin (ถ้ำศิลป์) is another cave that can be reached via the same route as Tham Khuhaphimuk, for one kilometre further, then turn left for another kilometre passing the Ban Tham Sin School. On the left is a small trek leading to a hill next to the road. The cave is 28 metres high above the ground with steps leading to the entrance. This is a very small and dark cave with ancient mural of different postures of the Lord Buddha and a painting of three women standing together on the cave wall that has deteriorated with time. The mural was assumed to be of late Srivijaya Period, around 19-20 Buddhist Centuries. A torch or a lamp is highly recommended to view the mural and the cave itself.

Amphoe Bannang Sata
Bang Lang Dam (เขื่อนบางลาง) is located at Ban Bang Lang, Tambon Bacho, on Highway 410, about 50 kilometres from Amphoe MueangYala, then left for twelve kilometres. This Dam is the first multi-purpose dam in the South, on Pattani River. It is 85 metres high with a crest of 422 metres long, and the reservoir capacity of 1,420 million cubic metres. His Majesty the King presided over the opening ceremony on 27 September B.E. 2524. An overlook upstream of the dam around the Electricity Generating Authority of Thailand office affords a panoramic view of the dam and the surrounding hills. For cabin reservation please call (073) 299-237-8 and for boating in the reservoir please call (073) 281-063-66, extension 2291. Tham Krachaeng (ถ้ำกระแชง) is a cave located at Ban Ka Sot, Tambon Bannang Sata, about 50 kilometres from Amphoe Mueang Yala on Highway 410, passing the entrance to Bang Lang Dam then turn left onto a dirt road for 1.5 kilometres. The scenery is that of the mountains, the stream, and the cave, with the stream running through. During the dry season, one can walk along the stream through this cave to the other side and into an open area surrounded by mountains and lush forest. Namtok Sukthalai or Namtok Kue Long (น้ำตกสุขทาลัยหรือน้ำตกกือลอง) is in the compound of the Southern Self-Development Community, on Khao Pok Yo which has a transmission station. The waterfall is on the Yala-Betong road, about 40 kilometres from Amphoe Mueang, then turn left for another eight kilometres. It was discovered in B.E. 2507, consisting of five levels. The Princess Mother named it “Namtok Sukthalai”. One can swim in the small pool on several levels.

Amphoe Raman
Namtok Bu Ke Pilo or Namtok Tawan Ratsami (น้ำตกบูเก๊ะปิโลหรือน้ำตกตะวันรัศมี) is about 19 kilometres from Amphoe Mueang. Take the Yala-Kota Baru road, then turn into Kota Baru through to Tambon Tha Ruea for about two kilometres and turn into the village for another two kilometres. The entrance to the waterfall is about 500 metres from the village. This waterfall is different from other waterfalls in that when sunlight shines onto the water, it will affect the color of the underwater rocks--they all turn beautiful yellow.

Festivals
ASEAN Java Songbird Contest (งานมหกรรมแข่งขันนกเขาชวาเสียงอาเซียน) Yala is one of the southern provinces that favor Java Songbirds. It is widely believed that Java Songbirds are good luck charms that would bring good luck to their owners, especially those birds with prescribed characteristics. The Yala Municipality Authority and the Java Songbird Owner Association annually stage the ASEAN Java Songbird Contest on the first weekend of March. The first contest was held in B.E. 2529 and was very successful, leading to the annual event held on the ground of Suan Khwan Mueang. The City Pillar Ceremony (งานสมโภชเจ้าพ่อหลักเมืองยะลา), held annually in May on the ground of the Yala Municipality Office, in which the model City Pillar is paraded. Stalls displaying goods for sale, exhibition, Government products, folk entertainment such as Manora Dance, Nung Talung, and Hulu Li Ke are also on hand. Yala Product and Cultural Revival Festival (งานเทศกาลฟื้นฟูประเพณีและของดีเมืองยะลา) is held annually on the first weekend of August, on the grounds of the Yala Municipality Office. Folk cultures from the various groups in the border provinces of the south, mainly Chinese-Thai Buddhists and Thai Muslim, are performed. There are also contests for Chi La Dance, Best Dressed Banong, Si Bu-nga Siri (a special kind of potpourri), Rong-ngeng Dance, Annacit Singing contest in Malay and Thai languages, plus folk performances from various schools in the area. Exhibition of Yala’s best produce is not to be missed.

Buy
Shogun oranges (ส้มโชกุน) is Yala’s leading economic crop. They are similar to the green sweet oranges but have soft tastier flesh. Kluai Hin (กล้วยหิน) is a kind of banana, similar to Kluay Nam Wa, when boiled or glazed will have nutty taste.

Sleep

 * Chang Lee (ชางลี) 318 Sirorot Road (Tel: 0 7324 4597, 0 7324 4601) 140 rooms: 680-900 baht
 * Cola (โคล่า) 15 Khotchaseni 1 Road (Tel: 0 7321 2208) 42 rooms: 170-230 baht
 * Thepviman (เทพวิมาน) 31-37 Si Bamrung (Tel: 0 7321 2400, 0 7321 2796) 87 rooms: 150-380 baht
 * Park View (ปาร์ค วิว) 2-18 Chongrak Road 3 (Tel: 0 7324 4331-4, 0 7324 4760-4) 106 rooms: 380-520 baht
 * Panfa (ผ่านฟ้า) 348-350 Sirorot (Tel: 0 7321 2658, 0 7321 3273) 22 rooms: 120 baht
 * Metro (เมโทร) 7/1-3 Rattakit Road (Tel: 0 7321 2175) 15 rooms: 110-150 baht
 * Yala Grang Palace (ยะลา แกรนด์ พาเลซ) 82-84 Chaloemchai Road (Tel: 0 7321 5711-2) 109 rooms: 350-490 baht
 * Yala Rama (ยะลารามา) 21 Si Bamrung (Tel: 0 7321 2185, 0 7321 2563) 133 rooms: 265-780 baht
 * Yala My House (ยะลา มาย เฮ้าส์) 109 Rat Khamnueng (Tel: 0 7321 3870, 0 7321 3147) 60 rooms: 280-350 baht
 * Sri Yala (ศรียะลา) 16-22 Chaicharun (Tel: 0 7321 2299, 0 7321 2045, 0 7321 2342) 93 rooms: 180-320 baht
 * An An (อัน อัน) 32-40 Phiphitphakdi Road (Tel: 0 7321 2216) 28 rooms: 90-140 baht
 * Hua An (ฮั่ว อัน) 352/1 Sirorot Road (Tel: 0 7321 2771) 40 rooms: 130-160 baht

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 19:11, 5 February 2010 (EST)

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to be honest - not great - you will see deer and elephants, but crocodiles could well be logs from the distance permissable to them. Oh and you've buckley's chance of seeing jaguars. nah.

Yala vs Ruhunu National Park
I can't get a good sense of which is the more common name for this park (or even why it is know by two names). I'm gonna go ahead and put a redirect from Ruhunu National Park on the very scientific basis that this one was here first. (WT-en) Majnoona 15:06, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)

====No Jaguars, but there are leopards... We visited in Dec '13, and were treated to sighting of a 2yo leopard... There's no jags in the Sri Lankan parks but that's cos the jags are native to South America...

A good ranger / guide is crucial if you wanna enjoy sightings. Our leopard was trying to cross the road and attracted hoards of jeeps all trying to crowd around and get a view of him.. The leopard plucked up his courage in the end, catwalked in from of the crowd, across the road and back into the bushes. After the crowd clears off, our ranger took us along a quiet road - he was tracking the leopard, and shortly after, we found the fellow, along, trying to recover from the media attention, and getting back to the business of hunting for breakfast. Pictures and account in this link - http://kidsonboard.net/blog/travel-moment/yala-national-park-with-ajith-safari.

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Talk:Yamaga

Hi, So what`s happening in Yamaga? Where are the Onsens?

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The prefectural map certainly is useful on the city page, if you want to see where Yamagata is located within Yamagata prefecture, which many of us do. Ideally there would be two maps, I think — one showing the city, and the other showing the city's location in the prefecture. --(WT-en) Orcrist 07:31, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

 * I think there might be other prefecture maps that would be better — for example, a map of the prefecture with only Yamagata city highlighted — such a map would be readable even when small and would focus only on Yamagata city. But since I don't have one of those lying around right now, this one seems like a reasonable first step. --(WT-en) Orcrist 07:32, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

Retired Kokeshi Maker
Maybe it doesn't even need to be here, but the painter/creator retired, so the shop is closed: ChubbyWimbus (talk) 15:42, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

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Hey Jpatokal, as with temples in general, should they not be listed under the nearest town, rather than as a destination within themselves? However, from my memory of Yamadera, the temple complex is certainly the main attraction. If it is decided that the temple complex is to be designated destination status and the town merely a backdrop, then the introduction on the Yamadera article should probably be changed accordingly. I'll leave the decision to change or not to you. (WT-en) WindHorse 31 Jan 06

 * Well, Yamadera is a town in the sense that it's not within Yamagata city limits and it's possible to stay there if you'd like. So I think this qualifies as a destination, although I think it's certainly more of an "Other destination" than a "City" as far as classification goes. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:57, 31 Jan 2006 (EST)

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VfD discussion

 * Ghost town. Not an article per Project:What is an article? -- (WT-en) Colin 11:11, 8 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Interesting place tho, is it worth a redirect to Delray Beach? (WT-en) Majnoona 21:51, 11 May 2006 (EDT)
 * I just created the Delray Beach article, so will do this redirect. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 15:00, 28 May 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Yanggu

Cut from main page
There is Yanggu-gun tour information.

Banner
Bookmark Flickr feed for future reference --Andrewssi2 (talk) 10:27, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

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Would this article be better named Yang Ming Shan National Park? -- (WT-en) Huttite 04:38, 19 May 2004 (EDT)

 * Yup, that's a good point. I followed the original link (labeled 'Yangming Mountains') and didn't bother to fix that one.  The link from the Taiwan page should be updated to read 'Yang Ming Shan National Park', as well as the article title itself.  (smiling) Sorry, I'm new here!  This is a great site; I'm already addicted after only a few hours..  (WT-en) sohcahtoa 00:17, 20 May 2004 (EDT)

 * Whoever wrote the original Taiwan page probably didn't realise what this article could turn into. Thats OK, though, because we have the technology to fix it by simply moving the page, this leaves a redirection link, so the original link remains valid.  Later someone can go back and change the page link. -- (WT-en) Huttite 05:00, 20 May 2004 (EDT)

 * I moved the page from Yangming Mountains based on above discussion. -- (WT-en) Huttite 05:09, 20 May 2004 (EDT)

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