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User talk:EvanProdromou/Jun 2007

See also User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Archives

Please direct the following questions to the right spots:

 * Technical requests like feature requests or bug reports should be posted using the tool at wts:Technical requests.

User:Peterfitzgerald
Time for his new buttons... – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 00:43, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

Mediawiki pages
Can only admins edit Mediawiki pages? I'm trying to edit one on Hindi and it's saying that it's locked. I want to start an edit tools box – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 01:08, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

 * PING! And edit "other sites", etc... Upamanyu asked me a while back to become an admin to help him, which I didn't think was necessary, I likely won't be patrolling edits, etc... but if there's a way that I can edit Mediawiki pages that would be really helpful – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 22:56, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Sapphire came over to the rescue, so I guess I can just go through him for MediaWiki needs :) – (WT-en) cacahuate   talk 12:48, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

encoding
Hi Evan: Received this message from contributor (WT-en) Celticevergreen. If you have any ideas, could you answer him directly. Thanks. (WT-en) WindHorse 02:53, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

 * How do I get the Tibetan font to appear on the Wikivoyage page? All I see are boxes in a row after you added the Tibetan translation? Thanks!! (WT-en) Celticevergreen 01:17, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

 * I've changed the font type. See if that helps. Actually, the Tibetan is not essential. I just added it for a few remote places where Chinese is not so common. (WT-en) WindHorse 12:46, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Went back to those pages you added Tibetan to and all I see are those boxes in a row. Same thing happens when I look at hotel or activity listings written the wikivoyage way. The word 'tel" and 'fax' no longer show up when I view a page. I just get a box in that space. Any ideas? I have my IE set for utf-8 language. (WT-en) Celticevergreen 01:29, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

(WT-en) cacahuate also is experiencing  the same difficulties (see comments below), though I use Firefox and have never had these problems. (WT-en) WindHorse 03:11, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

 * I get the same thing in both cases when I'm using Firefox, but everything works fine for me in Safari (I'm on a Mac). I read somewhere that Firefox can't handle certain alphabets, perhaps IE is the same way? In the listings, we've got new listing templates that are in use on some pages, and the box your seeing is supposed to be a telephone icon. I don't know why those don't render properly in all browsers. Curious about it myself. WindHorse, enlighten us? – (WT-en) cacahuate   talk 02:58, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

 * My guess is that if there's some weird characters on the page, the browser makes some guesses about the character set(s) that are wrong. The telephone and the email icon are in the Unicode encoding, so if the browser is guessing some other encoding, they won't show up. Could someone point me to a page where this is happening? Also, could someone make a tech request on shared for this problem? --(WT-en) Evan 11:47, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

 * The Tibetan script that Celticevergreen was referring to was on these pages: Shannan (prefecture) and Samye. Sorry, I don't know where the telephone/e-mail icon encoding problems occurred, though I presume it was all articles that they are used. (WT-en) WindHorse 12:11, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

Yes, not specific to certain articles... started Tech request: wts:WtTech:Encoding issues – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 14:56, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

CotW unscheduled nominations are getting a bit thin!
We could do with a few more suggestions for articles that could be future CotWs, so if you know of any please be sure to add them to the list! Thanks -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 07:53, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

The Grey Dog
Hey - I couldn't find a comment section on your blog, so just wanted to say that I love that place! (WT-en) Padraic 23:34, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

Tatata & Shoestring on ja
The 14-day period has passed and ja:User:(WT-ja) Tatata has been unanimously voted to be an admin, and ja:User:(WT-ja) Shoestring has accepted your offer to become a bureaucrat. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:29, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Evan-san and Jpatokal-san, thank you very much. But... I think it was a chance for Shoestring-san to experience a bureaucrat work.   I can wait for my sysop status, so you can put me back for him.  And one more thing, I need sysop status on shared too if I work as an admin on there. -- (WT-en) Tatata 12:33, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

(WT-ja) User:Tatata's status on shared
Can you change ja:User:(WT-ja) Tatata's status on shared? I recognize that all the admins of all languages can get the admins status on shared automatically and I think he can contribute a lot as an admin on shared, as well.--(WT-en) Shoestring 01:40, 10 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Done! --(WT-en) Evan 20:33, 10 June 2007 (EDT)

Ping
I'm not sure my mails are getting through to you, you're not answering the phone and your voice mailbox is full...? I'd appreciate your feedback on the design issue, I'd very much like to get this sorted out this week. (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:32, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Sure, I'll try to get some feedback to you tonight my time. --(WT-en) Evan 13:34, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Re-ping. Off to bed now... (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:17, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

information inquiry
Dear Evan\Maj,

My name is Natasha. Live in Moscow, Russia. Nice to meet you!

First of all I would like to thank you for your exciting, interesting and very useful site! Our company wants to use the materials from Wikivoyage translating them into Russian. May be you have already been made such offers. Please advise. I'd also like to know if you have recommendations, demands or requests. So waiting impatiently for your reply. Unfortunately I couldn't reach you by e-mail.

Natasha oznob05@mail.tu

 * Natasha: we'd love to start a project for a Wikivoyage in Russian. It's taking its first steps; see wts:Russian Wikivoyage Expedition. --(WT-en) Evan 14:05, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

 * We have several demands which you can read about here. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 14:48, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

By the way...
the site's working again. Disregard my email, though I'd still like to know the emergency email contact. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 14:43, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

stateguide
I see that you came through applying this new function on states. When you did it to Massachusetts you changed usableregion to usable. This leaves a message at the bottom of the page that implies that full listings for restaurants and hotels should be included before the article can promote to usable or guide. (WT-en) OldPine 14:44, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
 * No comment? Should I change this back then? (WT-en) OldPine 13:11, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

Seattle
Hi Evan. Seattle is apparently currently protected. However, I could edit it fine earlier on today. When I attempt to un-protect it by clicking on the un-protect tab at the top of the page, it takes me to a confirm protection screen. I have tried to unprotect it by setting the protection to default (I assumed this would be that would mean that it would be unprotected)... Still nothing happens. Usually I realise that this should be reported on shared, but seeing as Seattle is currently CotW, then it kinda needs to be sorted asap! -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 19:52, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

 * I believe the issue is that Todd protected Seattle, Washington D.C. and a few others a while back against anonymous edits to protect from recurring spam . However, due to caching the edit tab is often hidden.  I'm not sure if it's possible to have the edit tab display properly based on a user's logged-in status and the page protection status or not, but if it is then that would likely resolve this issue. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:58, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

 * That would be the problem. It seems to be unlocked. --(WT-en) Evan 20:16, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Yeah it's fine now. Thanks. -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 20:30, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

Ohio Lodges and State Parks
Hello Evan. Great site you folks have here. I was working on this rather long page when it vanished. Within two hours of starting it, it was marked for deletion. The votes seem to be to keep or redirect it as I continue to finish it. The information seems appropriate for anyone wanting to visit Ohio. As you know Ohio is larger than many countries. Please advise. If this is inappropriate information, there seems to be no reason to try to improve the Ohio page. I just finished Ohio Prehistoric Sites and that did not seem to be any problem. If it is not appropriate, please revise the Travel Topic guideines so one knows what the &^%* to include or leave out. (WT-en) 2old 13:29, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Hi. So, it seems to me that the article is still around; I've commented on Project:Votes for deletion. --(WT-en) Evan 14:11, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

MoSing phone numbers is coded listings
Ping? Do you remember the conversation we had a while back with another admin about creating some black magic to MoS the phone numbers in the coded listings? If so, didn't you create a tech request for that and would you provide me with the link? I want to write bump on the page because I'm somewhat annoyed by the listings in the Cincinnati guide. The international dialing directions should be written as +1 513, but because the listings don't format phone numbers to meet the area code no matter how hard I work the guide will never be 100% agreeable with MoS until that's fixed. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 12:46, 14 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Ping, bump, ring, hoot, moo, bark, meow (stupid cats), honk! I'm running out of sounds to make... any movement on this? -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 05:13, 23 June 2007 (EDT)

 * → Wikivoyage_talk:Phone_numbers – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 05:39, 23 June 2007 (EDT)

Span filter... ouch... PLEASE HELP
Someone has put something into the spam filter regex in LocalSettings.php (I think) without first removing all instances from that something from all pages and namespaces of Wikivoyage.org. This is bad because it causes the next person who tries to edit a page containing that something to be unable to save his edit, even if his edit has nothing to do with something. The person putting this something into the spam filter regex is in a much better position to remove instances of something from the site because he knows what something is and no one else knows this something. I hate it when this happens. I figure everyone hates it when this happens. Hope this helps. Project:Travellers' pub is currently blocked to further edits by something. I put note onto Wikivoyage_talk:Travellers'_pub because the Pub is blocked by the spam filter at the moment. User:(WT-en) Wrh2 removed my note there without any comment to me (yet). Maybe a policy of removing instances of something from all Wikivoyage pages before putting it into the spam regex would be in order. Hope this helps. :-) (WT-en) Rogerhc 19:08, 17 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Project:Travellers' pub. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:31, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Thanks Ryan! :-) (WT-en) Rogerhc 19:31, 17 June 2007 (EDT)

 * The "problem" was that Project:Travellers' pub included a list of spammed 'phone numbers and an associated URL; I've removed them. ~ 58.8.1.171 23:23, 17 June 2007 (EDT)

about redirection
Hi according to some talk on the finnish wikivoyage you came up with the idea of automatic redirects to the native language wikivoyage.

It's allways nice with information in your own language, BUT I get redirected to the Finnish-speaking wikivoyage which really is not even nearly as thorough as the english-speaking one. And the Finnish-speaking wikivoyage mostly covers places were most finns go, but i guess wikivoyage is where a person looks first if he can't get information at the local toruist offices etc. meaning people go looking for more unusual places on wikivoyage.

Also i haven't looked thoroughly into how the redirect is done, locale's or ip-addresses(?) Which mean the match isn't perfect, i for one speak swedish as my native tongue although i live in Finland (Finland has a 6% swedish-speaking official second languge). Also at some point wikivoyage offered me the German language wikivoyage.

Of course i figured out how to get to the english-speaking wikivoyage, but i doubt the average joe surfer who first stumbles his way to wikivoyage does. As wikivoyage does not need the gramatical standards of wikipedia i guess more people could contribute here even though their english skills are not that of native level. Even though some big non-english-speaking countries such as Italy have considerable amounts of people who don't speak ebglish at all the amount of eg. Finns that do not have that kind of english skills are a clear minority.

These are my thoughts

//Gillis

82.181.9.189 15:08, 18 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Hi, Gillis. Thanks for the thoughts. So, the only place that we do language detection is at http://wikivoyage.org/ . We have to make some kind of guess about which language version to redirect people to. The guess is not based on IP address but uses HTTP content negotiation.

 * The code takes the languages that a user has configured in their browser preferences, compares them to the available languages, and determines the best language to redirect them to. It takes into account the preferences configured in the browser, so if you put Swedish first, then Finnish, it will redirect you to Swedish.

 * We could actually give each language version a "quality rating" (possibly its ratio of article count to the maximum article count, per wts:Multilingual statistics), and factor that into the equation. But, to be honest, I really want to redirect non-English speakers to the non-English language versions, to stimulate growth there.

 * If you don't want to read Wikivoyage in Finnish, you can either a) bookmark the English-language Main Page, b) follow the "English" link on the left-hand side panel, or c) configure your browser to prefer English to Finnish. --(WT-en) Evan 16:17, 18 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Okay, i understand your point of view. But wouldn't it be helpfull to add in a bar on ever mainpage that clearly would make it clear to people visiting the site that they havebeen redirected to their native language wikivoyage and that there indeed are wikivoyages in other languages (not just english!).Also improving searches by telling people in what other languages an article you can't find could be found would also be nice, but i guess that's much technically a lot to do with the wikimedia software. 82.181.9.189 04:03, 19 June 2007 (EDT)

 * I'm pretty sure every Wikivoyage language version has the list of "other languages" on the left-hand side, and most of them have a list in the Main Page, too. --(WT-en) Evan 11:26, 19 June 2007 (EDT)

furthering the site / getting involved
Hey there! I love what you are doing here, and think you are creating something outstanding. I certainly plan on helping further your resources as I travel around the world. Speaking of traveling around the world... I'm working on a really cool project and I think it would be awesome to try to incorporate it into the wiki-travel thing. I think it could have a lot of potential to help brand you guys and draw you some new users.

Do you think we could talk about it over email? My address is wowjeremydavid at gmail dot com. I look forward to hearing from you! Cheers

xtravelguide and stock description on ja:
Hi Evan.

I made a ja:MediaWiki:Xtravelguide and translated ja:MediaWiki:Travelguidedescription to use xtravelguide and stock description on ja:. Do I need any other setups ?

BTW, can I (tatata7 is me) get the list moderator's approval to subscribe for Admin-list ? -- (WT-en) Tatata 11:18, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

A couple of bugs in the Hebrew site
Hi, sorry to bother you again, we have a couple of bugs in the Hebrew site we hope you can solve: Thanks for your help! (WT-en) Zvika 11:33, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
 * There is a problem displaying pages with infoboxes and bullets. The problem only appears on Firefox (IE works OK). You can see an example of it (again, the problem only occurs in Firefox). Pages with only infoboxes, or only bullets, appear OK. Any idea what the problem is? (Note that in the Hebrew wikipedia this doesn't happen, see for example this page)
 * The yellow "you have new messages" box, which is supposed to appear when someone places a message on your user talk page, doesn't appear. I placed a message on your talkpage in the Hebrew Wikivoyage, to demonstrate this.

Work it, work it
I just wanted to point out that I think the woman in this photo is admiring your rear. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 18:09, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Hey! That boy been standing up at the keyboard?? No fair! (WT-en) OldPine 07:52, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

Listings
Hey there kind sir. Is it worth continuing to template listings with our new templates, considering you're working on the form-based listings generator? Will it be able to convert the current tags, or am I wasting my time in continuing to reformat listings? Gracias! – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 02:55, 24 June 2007 (EDT)

 * I believe this query was generated due to a discussion on Project:Listings - see all of the comments from June 2007 in the thread at Project:Listings. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 03:14, 24 June 2007 (EDT)

Evan asap
Hey Evan owner of wikivoyage how is maj and i would like if you could edit my towns? --64.222.199.130 16:21, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

Upgrade issue
The Project:Local spam blacklist can't be edited because the edit is being blocked by the blacklist. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 02:52, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Well, that's a good one. I think it's fixed; again, a MediaWiki: deletion problem. --(WT-en) Evan 03:11, 28 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Evan, I might have found a problem. Don't know how serious it is, but check out wts:WtTech:Session got mixed up. If it is replicable, I think it is important to fix it quickly. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 08:23, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

Quebec copyvios
Our friend gave his consent (and says he has the authority to do so), started a (WT-en) user account, and has begun restoring his edits. Is that verification enough? (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 09:56, 28 June 2007 (EDT)
 * It sounds like he/she has rights to the content, but it doesn't match our Project:Manual of style (specifically Project:Don't tout. S/he also seems unclear on the wiki concept (ie that the contributions will be edited by other people). I'm trying to get contact info to discuss this on the phone as they would be a fantastic resource to cooperate with if at all possible. (WT-en) Maj 10:11, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

New admins
There are a couple of new admins at Project:Administrator nominations who need you to sprinkle some pixie dust and give them the special buttons. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:55, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Done. --(WT-en) Evan 08:47, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

username.js
Hello Evan,

I think the username.js does not work intendedly.

Please see this : wts:WtTech:Special page namespace with accented characters.

Thanks, -- (WT-en) Tatata 00:44, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

 * I was aware of this problem; I'll see what I can do. --(WT-en) Evan 08:48, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

Strange redirects
Here's a strange one...

The last couple pages I've gone to have said that I was redirected from a page I never navigated to or searched for... I typed in India and when I got to the page it said "redirected from Indian". I typed in "Discount airlines in Asia" and it said "redirected from Discount carriers in Asia". – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 03:02, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Yep. That's a caching problem. Top priority, I'm fixing it right now. --(WT-en) Evan 08:55, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

 * OK, looks fixed. In the interest of keeping the site running smoothly, I'm just going to clear the server cache of articles with "redirected from" in them. Hopefully that works. --(WT-en) Evan 11:42, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

A problem with Washington (D.C.)
Hi Evan, for some reason, Template:hasDocent is not working for only Washington (D.C.). Do you have any idea what the problem is here? Thanks! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 04:34, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Nope. Didn't you already file a bug report for this? --(WT-en) Evan 08:42, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Whoops--so I did! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 04:25, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

Suspicious edits
Edits by User:68.62.89.204 maybe needs to be checked. (WT-en) Handrian 14:44, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

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Additional languages
I was wondering whether it would be possible to include more languages. I think that German would be a good choice since this would allow me to write in my native language and besides Germans like travelling a lot and would make more use of Wikivoyage. Furthermore, Spanish seems important enough and is one of my favourite foreign languages having lived in Spain for a while. (WT-en) cyril2000

 * Yes, it's absolutely possible. We have a language version policy for how we start new language versions. You may want to try and start a Project:German Wikivoyage Expedition. --(WT-en) Evan 19:51, 8 Mar 2004 (EST)

Wechselbot
Evan, Pierre's proposal for a so-called Wechselbot gave me an idea that takes this a step further. If you have time, could you have a look at it? Thanks. BTW, thanks for your input on my tests with navigation bars. (WT-en) DhDh 13:50, 6 Mar 2004 (EST)

Can you set up a test Wikivoyage? I downloaded pywikipediabot and I'm likely to completely mess things up while adapting it for Wikivoyage. -(WT-en) phma 09:08, 26 Mar 2004 (EST)

Article
CM Focus? Cool! So I guess you were in London to meet with folks from the ark group? I did a presentation for them on WHO and Bricolage last november, and am going to give a workshop for them in A'dam in a couple of weeks. I love it when travel pays! Anyhow, congrats to you and MAJ on the publication! -- (WT-en) Mark 15:44, 6 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Thanks for the congratulations. Umm... It's probably not anybody's business, but we didn't actually get paid for the article. I didn't even get a subscription, so I don't know what the edited article really looks like. Trust me, neither I nor Maj wrote that we were "masterminds".

 * We actually didn't meet them in London -- we were doing research for a non-travel-related book. But that's excellent that you're working with them, though. They seem like great folks. --(WT-en) Evan 17:10, 6 Mar 2004 (EST)

arch
Can you set up an arch server? I'd like to put my map program up for others to try out and maybe make improvements to. -(WT-en) phma 17:40, 7 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Yes. There's a (read-only) server up now at http://arch.wikivoyage.org/contrib for contributed software. I just sent you info on the writeable interface. Let me know if you have any questions. --(WT-en) Evan 15:47, 10 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Hey! Coolness.  I'll do a checkin (or whatever the concept is under arch) tonight or tomorrow after I read the docs. -- (WT-en) Mark 16:54, 10 Mar 2004 (EST)

E-mail
Re: Please send me e-mail. Done. (WT-en) DhDh 15:37, 8 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Yep. Did you get my reply? --(WT-en) Evan 15:41, 8 Mar 2004 (EST)

I did. Did you?

BTW, I wanted to ask you something: is it possible to change user names and keep the user contributions? I've been using "Dhum Dhum" as a nick for a few years now (not only at Wikivoyage), and honestly, I've grown a bit tired of it. I was thinking of changing it into something I could use only for Wikivoyage: Akubra (probably no surprise?). Anyway, it's no big deal, but if it's not difficult to change, then let me know. Thanks. (WT-en) DhDh 16:10, 8 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Well, there's no easy way to do it, actually. I think the best you can do is start a new user account, and add a #REDIRECT to your user and user talk pages to the new versions... I think I _might_ be able to change everything edited by User:(WT-en) Dhum Dhum to User:(WT-en) Akubra, but I'd be worried to miss anything. Sorry, not a very helpful answer. B-) --(WT-en) Evan 16:13, 8 Mar 2004 (EST)

Thanks for the hint, Evan. At first sight it seems to work. The only thing I couldn't move are the mighty administrator powers User:(WT-en) Dhum Dhum had :-( Could you switch them to User:(WT-en) Akubra? Thanks a lot! (WT-en) Akubra 16:39, 8 Mar 2004 (EST)

I seem to have all the necessary goodies again. Dhum Dhum won't need them anymore. Cheers! (WT-en) Akubra 01:55, 9 Mar 2004 (EST)

This is strange but useful. I like wiki's but I still think the design is not pleasing to the eye, at least my eyes... Hope you are well Evan! Nice to see you on my blog Biella

 * Hi, Biella! Sorry you're not crazy about the site design -- we're still in the process of trying to make it better. Hope things are well with you. --(WT-en) Evan 19:52, 8 Mar 2004 (EST)

Bold Terms
See my talk page for an answer to your question about bolding the first appearance of the title of an article. It is mostly a WikiPedia thing. (WT-en) Huttite 03:49, 12 Mar 2004 (EST)

Yann for Admin
It's been seven days, so don't Forget! -(WT-en) phma 23:30, 13 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Thanks. I did forget, actually, but now it's all set up. --(WT-en) Evan 11:06, 14 Mar 2004 (EST)

Reporter
Do you know when the reporter from the Times is supposed to contact us? Just wondering, I haven't heard anything since I sent you my email address. --(WT-en) Dawnview 11:38, 15 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Nope. I asked a few people, and sent addresses and names, and we'll see. Sorry, no more info right now! --(WT-en) Evan 13:27, 15 Mar 2004 (EST)

Meetup
Hey, I'm going to be in Montreal the week of March 29. Do you and Maj want to meet up? --(WT-en) Dawnview 23:40, 18 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Absolutely! There are a couple of places I want to try for meetup space... What's your week like? --(WT-en) Evan 00:52, 19 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Excellent. Right now my week is open. My plan is to arrive in the afternoon of the 29, and leave the afternoon of April 1. Any time in between is fine. Pick a place and time and I'll see you there. --(WT-en) Dawnview 09:18, 19 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Hey Evan, have you thought of a place to meet next week? --(WT-en) Dawnview 11:35, 26 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Augh! I can't believe it! You're leaving tomorrow! Maybe you have time for brunch or coffee? --(WT-en) Evan 22:47, 31 Mar 2004 (EST)

Admin nomination
Evan, I've just nominated User:(WT-en) Huttite for admin status. Please have a look at Project:Administrator nominations. (WT-en) Dhum Dhum Akubra 11:04, 24 Mar 2004 (EST)
 * Thank you for considering me as an administrator. Respectfully, I feel I must decline the nomination at this time. - (WT-en) Huttite 05:59, 25 Mar 2004 (EST)

Delete Articles
This one is redundant: http://www.en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/article/Red_Rocks_Amphitheatre - it's so short, I just moved the relevant info back to Denver.

Cant find where to report articles, it's too late at night and I'd rather be productive before I head for bed. ;)

- (WT-en) Nils 20:42, 25 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * No problem. For future reference, see Deletion policy. Votes for deletion is where you link to deletable articles. --(WT-en) Evan 20:46, 25 Mar 2004 (EST)

Miscellaneous
Thank you for your welcome! I'll try to make some useful contributions. Bye

(WT-en) Meursault2004 09:09, 27 Mar 2004 (EST)

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German WT / Admin-Votes
Hi Evan, you archived this message without a reply, thus I dig it out again, sorry:

Evan, the German Administrator nominations for Limbodancer and EBB have been present now for slightly more than a month. In this time both users have agreed to be admins, but even though I placed a call to vote on the top of the Mainpage, only 1 user voted beside me. Obviously we still have a democracy problem here. Now LimboDancer has 2 pro-votes and EBB 1, but I would like to ask you to please make them both admins. Have a look at their work up to now and see that they are good workers which continously come back (though not always often) and are present in discussions too. Their help would be really useful for me and the German wikivoyage. (WT-en) Denisoliver 21:11, 25 Feb 2005 (EST)

 * These were done. Sorry for the delay. --(WT-en) Evan 13:43, 6 Mar 2005 (EST)

SVGZ
Hey Evan,

Would you mind adding svgz to our list of supported file types? I'm starting to work on some U.S. maps using Tigerline data, and they work out to be kindof big, so it would be a real help. -- (WT-en) Mark 05:52, 11 Mar 2005 (EST)

 * I added svgz to the list of accepted MediaWiki types, but I don't know what Apache is going to do with .svgz files. Let me know if the upload works, and if you have a good idea for a MIME type. --(WT-en) Evan 08:35, 11 Mar 2005 (EST)

 * Thanks! If my KDE desktop is right then .svgz should just be added to the list of extensions for image/svg+xml.

 * Meanwhile, the main problem with the Tigerline data is that it covers whole U.S. counties. I'd prefer to do it by destination anyhow, but so far neither Sodipodi nor Inkscape want to play nice with selecting, copying, and pasting a section of a map, so I guess I'll leave the source files whole (for now). -- (WT-en) Mark 09:23, 11 Mar 2005 (EST)

Regarding Gonetoguides.com domains and content
Hi Evan,

I sent you an email last week regarding the updates to the goneto domains but the message got bounced back, so I thought I would try to reach you this way instead. Here is a copy of the email. Please get back to me when you can. Also, please pass this message onto Jani, I sent a copy but didn't hear back. BTW, we've updated about 36 countries so far with the credit block, so please get back to me right away with any problems so I can fix it before doing too many more.

Thanks, Stephen Joyce

original message

Hi Evan,

We have updated the terms and conditions to reflect the Wikivoyage content. It can be viewed at http://www.worldfactguide.com/index.php?pageId=2. I have also added a credit block on the following site http://www.gonecanadian.com. Can you please review this page and make sure that the attribution and author credits are appropriate. If this page is okay, we will make the same changes on all other Wiki derived content pages.

Kind Regards, Stephen Joyce Secret Agent Enterprises Inc.

Meet-Up
Hi mate, sorry I couldn't make it to the meet-up. Nowadays I work on Mondays, and I'm in no position to miss one minute of work... Did a few people show up, and interesting conversations emerge? --(WT-en) Valmi 22:05, 23 Mar 2005 (EST)

(net http)
Hey Evan, I found a reference to a couple of guile modules that you wrote a few years ago, among them (net http). However, the link (http://evan.prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us/) was broken. Is (net http) still available? Or do you know of any similar projects I could find? I'm looking to a) learn guile, and b) as a learning exercise, write a script that automatically authenticates me with my school's firewall (has to be done daily), which is done through a webpage. So (net http) looked ideal. Regards, Jon

Latest LanguageEn.php
Re: Wikivoyage_talk:LanguageJa.php, could you confirm that Project:LanguageEn.php is still up to date and/or update it if not? And is there a "LanguageUtf8.php" in the standard MediaWiki distribution? (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:25, 31 Mar 2005 (EST)

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User talk:EvanProdromou/Mar 2006

See also User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Archives

Old Town School of Folk Music
Since you are going through Chicago... this is a must. See the article for details. Check out the Wiggle-Worms CDs and books. -- (WT-en) Mark 00:32, 2 March 2006 (EST)

Re comment on wikinews
I'm very sorry for my comment. No offence was meant. I was under the impression from IRC conversations some time ago that this was the case. Thankyou for setting me straight. The_bellman 02:22, 2 March 2006 (EST)

 * (For those of you following along at home, Robin is referring to a message I left on his Wikinews user page at http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User_talk:The_bellman#Wikivoyage_and_Wikipedia ).

 * That's no problem; I just wanted to clear up a misconception that I found disconcerting. Wikivoyagers work extremely hard to keep our guides copyright-clean, and to maintain friendly relations with Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects. --(WT-en) Evan 14:00, 2 March 2006 (EST)

Some problem on the French-Language Wikivoyage
Hello Evan, it seems we have some problems in the Franch version since you updated Mediawiki.
 * First, the link to the help pages on the left sidebar were linking to an empty page fr:Aide:Aide. I made a redirect to the proper page fr:Project:Aide.
 * Then, there are problems with logging in: when we close my browser we have to log to Wikivoyage back each time (if we don't we're considered as anonymous). I think that problem comes from the cookies.

I'll report you the others problem if we have some. Best regards. (WT-en) Julien 12:24, 5 March 2006 (EST)

 * Thanks. First, the upstream value for the help page changed; I changed it to use Wikivoyage:Aide instead. Second, the login problem was pernicious, but you're correct, it was a change in the name of the cookie (from "UserToken" to "Token"). I've updated the server so it should show you as logged in or not-logged-in depending on your status.

 * Thanks for the bug reports, and let me know if there are any more. --(WT-en) Evan 13:06, 5 March 2006 (EST)

Testing new message indicator
testing new message indicator. --207.134.56.158 15:39, 5 March 2006 (EST)

I got your message! (WT-en) Majnoona 16:03, 5 March 2006 (EST)

Patrolled edits
Hi Evan. For a while now we've had an option to "Hide patrolled edits" in the recent changes, but as far as I can tell there is no way to mark an edit as patrolled. Is enabling that functionality something that is on your to-do list? Just curious. -- (WT-en) Ryan 19:00, 5 March 2006 (EST)

 * Well... I dunno. It'd be a non-trivial of work, and I'd like to know why the feature isn't, as far as I know, enabled on Wikimedia sites. It sounds good, and it'd be nice to know that someone's checked over a particular edit. --(WT-en) Evan 20:28, 5 March 2006 (EST)

 * The little throbber image next to the "my talk" link is very cool. Anyhow, I was mostly just curious about the patrolled edit thing -- it's been there for ages and it seems like it would be a good idea to allow logged-in users to mark edits as "good".  I'm definitely not clamoring for it, but wouldn't complain were it to be implemented, either. -- (WT-en) Ryan 20:38, 5 March 2006 (EST)

Blinky blinky
So that's what the annoying blinking red ball is! Only problem is, I read my messages already, and it's still there... (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:04, 5 March 2006 (EST)

 * Dang! It's supposed to clear when you read your own talk page. You're the first person to have a problem with it, but then again, I just enabled it for non-logged-in users. So, I've cleared it by hand for you, and I'll keep debugging on my side. --207.134.56.158 22:11, 5 March 2006 (EST)

One little thing...
Since the little person icon is to the left of the user's name, the little blinker should probably be to the left of the "my talk" link. Right now it makes it look like there's something up with your preferences. ;)

It's super cool that you got this working! Thanks for sorting through the rewrite stuff! -- (WT-en) Mark 04:51, 6 March 2006 (EST)

Konqueror
For some reason it doesn't work in Konqueror though. I don't know what it could be. Perhaps it's caching or something? -- (WT-en) Mark 04:55, 6 March 2006 (EST)

 * What part doesn't work? Does the blinkenlight not appear, or does it not clear when you read your page? --(WT-en) Evan 20:19, 6 March 2006 (EST)

Sv: Wikivoyage and MWI
We have some problems with the MWI function, and a suggestion for an improvement. Please check your swedish Talk page. BR (WT-en) Riggwelter 17:53, 6 March 2006 (EST)

Shediac
Hi! I just got around to logging into Wikivoyage for the first time in a couple of months and saw you signed? my user talk page with a request for something about Shediac (a great place to visit!). I would be happy to help out with a page about shediac, though I would definetly need some help with formatting and what not. (WT-en) Traslaen 02:17, 13 March 2006 (EST)

Nope
Whatever I do, I don't get the blinker. I tried it on both Firefox (1.5) and IE (6.0) I cannot think how my setup is different. It's a laptop, Win XP, wireless connection... --(WT-en) Ravikiran 06:59, 13 March 2006 (EST)
 * Sounds like it is more of a system issue then with the browser. I would suggest you update the display driver for your system and see if that helps. --(WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 07:17, 13 March 2006 (EST)

 * Evan, I think I've narrowed down the problem. (I should have heeded Tom's advice first.) It's because I have an underscore in my user name. It is working for my IP address, It is working for User:(WT-en) Ravikiran2 whom I just created. It is not working for User:(WT-en) Ravikiran r2. The culprit is the underscore. The image is turning up on the server, but not displaying on my browser.

 * I was thrown off-track by some Firefox sessionsaver weirdness which is why it took me time to narrow down the problem. --(WT-en) Ravikiran 16:34, 13 March 2006 (EST)

A question?
Hi evan! how are you?

My name is Leandro, from Buenos Aires, Argentina.

I've been collaborating in the Spanish wikipedia. Today

Today I discovered Wikivoyage, this brother project, and the truth that has interested to me.

I would like to collaborate in the Spanish version.

I am going to translate the "Special Pages" from the English to Spanish. But, i have a question.. could you say me who are the administrators from the spanish weikivoyage?

Thank you, have a nice day.

(WT-en) Loco085 00:44, 17 March 2006 (EST)

 * You can find that information on es:Project:Especial:Listusers/sysop. Currently it's just me, although es:Usuario:(WT-es) Wikiluque is the go-between for the project. --(WT-en) Evan 08:50, 17 March 2006 (EST)

 * Hi again!.. the page es:Project:Especial:Listusers/sysop does not exist, and the es:Usuario:(WT-es) Wikiluque has been absent for more than a month. What can i do? another sysop to talk?. Thank you ; ). (WT-en) Loco085 11:49, 17 March 2006 (EST)

 * Sorry, that should probably be es:Especial:Listusers/sysop. What do you need? Maybe I can help. --(WT-en) Evan 11:54, 17 March 2006 (EST)

 * Nothing in special, simply wanted to ask to the Sysop, in what Can I help?. For the moment I'm going to translate the "Special pages", like "Help" or "FAQs". Thank you, (WT-en) Loco085 12:11, 17 March 2006 (EST)

Links to Shared
There's no link to Shared even from the "Upload file" page -- please fix this! (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:33, 17 March 2006 (EST)

Breadcrumb Navigation
Dear Evan,

The problem, that the isIn template cannot be used in cases of using non-ASCII characters, is not yet solved. I posted a reminder in several discussion sections but nobody answered. Therefore I ask you again to find a solution or a work-around. In particular, in the German wikivoyage edition this concerns Austria (Österreich) and Egypt (Ägypten) with several hundreds of sub-pages - because of the umlauts. I than you for your endeavour. (WT-en) Unger 10:45, 19 March 2006 (EST)

 * It's a high priority and I'll make a point of getting to it soon. Sorry for the delay. --(WT-en) Evan 18:54, 19 March 2006 (EST)

Knoxville?
So were you in Knoxville recently? I just noticed that you added an Eat entry there. Knoxville is in my watch list, that's why I noticed... and I thought it was interesting. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 14:59, 22 March 2006 (EST)

 * Yes, we whipped through Chattanooga and Knoxville last week on our way from Biloxi to New York. We stayed in Gadsden, Alabama overnight, then Roanoke, Virginia the next night. Sorry we didn't call you earlier, but we changed our plans so I could come out to a MediaWiki planning meeting in Los Angeles, and I don't think either of us were sure where we were going through until that morning. It would have been nice to meet up! We'll come through again, though -- it's a nice part of the world. --(WT-en) Evan 09:44, 27 March 2006 (EST)

 * I've actually moved to Nashville recently, so meeting up wouldn't have been quite as easy. That's pretty cool that you blasted through - too bad it wasn't a little deeper into spring.  -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 22:04, 27 March 2006 (EST)

Copyright question
Found a great photo for Rail travel in North America, however, I'm unsure if WikiTravel's copyright organization will allow me to add this photo. The disclaimer on Wikipedia's site confuses me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Amtrak_139_south_across_Central.jpg

Will you check it out for me? (WT-en) Sapphire 20:46, 26 March 2006 (EST)

 * It looks like it's a public domain image, so I think it should be fine. --(WT-en) Evan 09:46, 27 March 2006 (EST)

Ping
Sorry to use the talk page for this but: do I need to be at the airport at 10pm or no? Thanks! (WT-en) Majnoona 20:10, 27 March 2006 (EST)

 * No! B-) --(WT-en) Evan 21:58, 27 March 2006 (EST)

Evan
Thank's for accepting me (WT-en) Traveler2006 11:07, 28 March 2006 (EST) look I did South Portland, Maine if you have heard of? (WT-en) Traveler2006 11:07, 28 March 2006 (EST) anyway thanks!

AIM
Are you on right now? feverwarrior is mine iam talking to Maj and tom will hopefully come on.

pl
Hi. Certainly there is still a lot to translate in LanguahePL.php file, but one change I just spotted is important. On the bottom of the edit pages text should say: Proszę pamiętać o tym, że przyjmuje się, iż wszelki wkład do Wikivoyage jest udostępniany na zasadach Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0 (zobacz Wikivoyage:Copyleft). Jeśli nie chcesz, żeby Twój tekst był dowolnie zmieniany przez każdego i rozpowszechniany bez ograniczeń, nie umieszczaj go tutaj. PROSZĘ NIE UŻYWAĆ BEZ POZWOLENIA MATERIAŁÓW OBJĘTYCH PRAWEM AUTORSKIM! Niniejszym oświadczasz, że ten tekst jest Twoim dziełem lub pochodzi z materiałów dostępnych na zasadach public domain albo licencji zgodnej z Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0.

Currently it states that contnet submitted is under GNU FDL.

Also, I'm collecting more minor changes to interface file. What is the best way to incoroprate them? Later we may decide to make even more changes, as I'm not sure if we stay with polish name of Wikivoyage - Wikipodróże or stick to English name.

Thanks, --(WT-en) JanSlupski 12:31, 31 March 2006 (EST)

 * Hi again.
 * Recently my thought is to use original name of Wikivoyage instead of Polish translation Wikipodróże at least for namespace naming.

 * I've tried to see if I'm able to change Wikivoyage_talk name: O_Wikipodróżach to O_Wikivoyage. But I don't think it is something I'm able to do. One of the reasons is that currently there is inconsistence, because Wikivoyage namespace is not translated to Wikipodróże at all. So probably it would be better to change this now, before there are (nearly?) no references to this namespace.

 * Also, current naming scheme for talk pages is a bit different than in English, eg O Wikivoyage is something like About Wikivoyage. This is because Wikivoyage talk would be in Polish something like Dyskusja Wikivoyage which is a bit long. But the subject wasn't discussed yet, so later the majority may have different thoughts about this.
 * Thanks, --(WT-en) JanSlupski 10:26, 2 April 2006 (EDT)

MediaWiki Extension with RFD Tags
After asking a question on the discussion page for the Main Page, I learned that the WikiTravel hierarchical directories (e.g., Asia: Middle East: Iran) that appear on the top of each destination page are the result of a MediaWiki extension that you designed which uses an RFD specification. Being new to designing a web site, never mind launching a wiki, I'm not sure where to find this extension or how to use it. Many thanks, 160.39.242.215 01:09, 27 March 2006 (EST)

 * If you're not used to designing a Web site, nor launching a wiki, I don't think it's going to be useful to you. However, it's available at http://wikivoyage.org/~evan/mw-rdf-0.5.tar.gz if you want to try it. --(WT-en) Evan 09:57, 27 March 2006 (EST)

 * Thanks for your help, I have accessed the file and installed RAP. I am having a problem with installation, though: what the is the /*Config Stuff*/ to /*Config End*/ in MwRDF.php intended for?  Is it necessary?  I have pasted it in LocalSettings.php (not sure what is meant by "reset") and moved it around within MwRDF.php, but I still get an error message on my page when I try to run it that reads, "Notice: Use of undefined constant MwRdfCreativeCommons - assumed 'MwRdfCreativeCommons' in c:\program files\easyphp1-8\www\mediawiki-1.5.6\extensions\MwRdf.php on line 62".  This message is included for all constants included in that section ('MwRdfLinksTo', 'MwRdfCategories', etc.)  I get this same message with reference to LocalSettings when I place the section there.  Where are these constants defined (it appears they are defined in MwRdf, but that does not explain the error msg)?  When I have simply eliminated this section entirely from MwRdf.php, the site has launched as usual, but there is no indication of Rfd capabilities and Special:RFD does not exist.  Can I eliminate this section entirely and go through some other procedure to have Special:RFD created?  Your advice is a big help, I hope this is not too time-consuming for you. 160.39.234.163 03:31, 2 April 2006 (EDT)

 * No, it's fine. Did you read the "README.RDF.txt" file? There's a section on installation. You should only have to add two lines to the config file. You should not copy all those other lines between Config Start and Config End; those are variables that can be set in your LocalSettings.php, and they are documented in the README. Please: take a close look at the README file. --(WT-en) Evan 11:05, 2 April 2006 (EDT)

title: User talk:EvanProdromou/Mar 2006


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User talk:EvanProdromou/May 2004

Chicago
Hey, so when do you guys get to Chicago? The article has changed a bit, and might have some more stuff that's of interest to you and MAJ. Likewise St. Louis. -- (WT-en) Mark 02:00, 4 May 2004 (EDT)

 * Excellent! We're leaving Chicago today, down the Big River. --(WT-en) Evan 11:01, 4 May 2004 (EDT)

 * Have fun! I guess most of my Chicago additions were too late to be of use.. hopefully the St. Louis stuff will come in handy. Check out Hullaballoo. -- (WT-en) Mark 11:54, 4 May 2004 (EDT)

United States
Thanks for your even-keeled response to my ctitique of the US article, and for your invitation to edit the article. I made a response to you in the form of a proposal at the bottom of the talk page. I wanted here to make sure you saw it. I hope you will reply. (WT-en) William M Goetsch 09:50, 6 May 2004 (EDT)

Romanian
Hi, I saw that again, the Romanian Wikiktravel mentions GNU FDL as his license. Still, Atribution ShareAlike is used as a license on LanguageRo.php. Why didn't you use LanguageRo for interface?.

Anyway, the text of the license in romanian would be

Ajutor de editare, caractere speciale: ă â î ş ţ Ă Â Î Ş Ţ Reţineţi că toate contribuţiile la Wikivoyage sunt considerate ca respectând licenţa Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0 de la Creative Commons. (vezi $1 pentru detalii).

--(WT-ro) Danutz

P.S. Why does the Namespace not work? I noticed that on ro and on fr too. See for example Cairo on ro: and Royaume-Uni on fr:. Still, it does work in english (see Granada (city)).

Wikivoyage concepts
Again, thanks for such an even handed reply on my USA comments. I imagine that everyonce in awhile you get somebody new selling a new approach that thinks he knows everything. I doubt I could be so detached and well mannered about something I had started.

The Wiki notion of egalitarianismo is a new concept to me, and interesting, but it seems in a way to be inefficient, what with constant small changes, rollbacks, contention about small isues which go on and on and back and forth. Philosophically it reminds me of some economist's comment about the so-called British "commons": if no one owns it, it tends to go to hell. Nevertheless, I will get with the program and make mods directly in the affected page.

I read "The traveler comes first" and I certainly buy-in to all four statements there, especially, "We share our excitement about the destinations we cover" I think that is essential.

As to the notion of not merely making links, but actually having some content of our own, I also agree. But there are some considerations here that require balance, and I'm not sure we have struck the best balance. If I am going to travel somewhere the first thing I would probably do is use Google. The trouble with Google though is that it is too much, and there is a lot of chaff in with a few kernels of wheat. That's where I see our niche: providing some modest commentary and a consistent (templates) brief range of coverage concerning truly "static" information, and then, importantly, selecting the best of the external references for the traveler.

The world's a big place and if we try to become encyclopedic we'll never get "rich" enough to be consistently useful, and people won't use us. The "holes" in Wikivoyage's world coverage are monumental. Plus, external links are in general more au courant, especially in "Things to do" and other "dynamic" information that we have little chance of keeping up to date. (WT-en) William M Goetsch 08:17, 9 May 2004 (EDT)

Goals and non-goals
If you have a minute to peek into Project:Votes for deletion it seems that (WT-en) I've managed to construe Project:Goals and non-goals exactly differently than User:(WT-en) Nils. Since you wrote the page, your clarification would be definitively helpful. -- (WT-en) Colin 12:32, 10 May 2004 (EDT)

 * Perhaps you could add to the thread and explain how your alteration of Patricia's page fits in with the policy? -- (WT-en) Colin 15:17, 18 May 2004 (EDT)

 * Do you mean the Project:User page help or Project:goals and non-goals? --(WT-en) Evan 15:23, 18 May 2004 (EDT)

 * You're right: I really meant the thread regarding Project:User page help that occurred in Project:Votes for deletion discussing Patricia's user page. -- (WT-en) Colin

Referendum
Evan, the "referendum" and "voting" resulted from the discussion on using the most common English name versus using the official name. Even if it says "referendum" and "voting", that is not what it is. It should have been "poll" and "polling" and give an idea of the general opinions of Wikivoyagers on the issue. (See Project:Article naming conventions where it is stated that In fact, we should probably call this a poll rather than a referendum...) I'm not going into further detail here, you can read all about it when you have the time.

Secondly, to me your response sounded --I'm going to be frank-- aggressive and dictatorial, and I felt it was unlike Evan. Maybe you didn't have the possibility to read the whole discussion, but was this sort of reaction really necessary? Wouldn't it have been better to have asked that the thing be stopped until you could take the time to have your say in the matter? In your response to Mr. Goetsch on Talk:United States of America you say: ... Maj and I don't claim any special privileges on Wikivoyage. After declaring this initiative "null and void" you would forgive people for starting to doubt your claim.

Maybe you had a good reason for reacting the way you did, but right now I can't say I understand it. (WT-en) Akubra 16:40, 13 May 2004 (EDT)

 * I'm really sorry if it sounded like I was declaring the vote unofficial. I wasn't -- as you note, I have no power to do that.

 * What I was saying is that we don't have any official votes on Wikivoyage. We don't have a voting policy. We haven't had any votes on Wikivoyage before. We don't have any way to make a vote official.

 * If we really want to set up some kind of voting system, sure, fine, let's discuss that. But I don't think it's OK to just start throwing up referendum discussions as if they were official. They're just not. --(WT-en) Evan 12:33, 15 May 2004 (EDT)

Evan, I think we need to clear up a few things here. One of the things I couldn't understand in your "null-and-void" reaction was why you would think this referendum was official. After reading your subsequent reactions, I think I do. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you probably interpret the term "official name referendum" as an official referendum about the naming of articles. I (and I think all who voted) interpret it as a referendum about the use of official names. That is a huge difference. As I've said before, I think "referendum" is a badly chosen term here. It should have been called a "poll".

Speaking for myself, I only participated after Ronline had made it clear that the referendum was not binding but indicative, that the word "official" referred to the naming and not the referendum, and that decisions could be reached on a case-by-case basis. In other words, voting didn't mean that we would have changed the system we used until now. It simply meant that some of us answered the question "which name do you prefer?" I don't know if you've had the time to read what I and others have written on Project:Article naming conventions and Talk:Bombay. But if you haven't, please do, it should clear up a lot.

About the referendum/polling framework I proposed to set up: I'll suspend that for the time being. Instead, we could exchange ideas about their usefulness on Wikivoyage. But I think you agree that that is not the most urgent thing on Wikivoyage. (WT-en) Akubra 20:01, 15 May 2004 (EDT)

 * I think I was the one who first used the word "referendum"... sorry, it was in fact a bad choice of words. -- (WT-en) Mark 04:03, 17 May 2004 (EDT)

 * I read the comments, and I understand them. I thought it very strange that, after you, Pierre, and Mark all objected to the idea of a referendum, the thing continued. I'm still not sure how that happened.

 * For me, I think it's vastly more important to figure out why you want something to be some way or another, than just to hear that you want it that way. How does changing to using official names get us closer to our goals? Do we understand all the repercussions, and agree to them? If not, how can we ameliorate them? I don't think a simple yes/no vote solves the problem satisfactorily. --(WT-en) Evan 00:43, 18 May 2004 (EDT)

 * Evan, I didn't even read Akubra's reaction to your "null and void" statement, but it seems to agree with my point of view. Please see Project:Article naming conventions for my comments. Really, it is unlike you (I mean, you used to open-minded before...) Also, don't think I'm trying to divide Wikivoyage by convincing people to have the same view as me. I am just very angry and upset at your decision. Look, I understand Internet access is limited where you're travelling, but that didn't prevent you from at least writing a friendlier response. Also, sorry if I misinterpreted what you said, but it seems the more I read it the more I feel that all of our work for Wikivoyage, both in the English and Romanian versions, has been in vain. I've done all I could for Wikivoyage... founded the Romanian version, promoted it at Wikipedia, made a new page design for the Romanian version and tried my best to sort out the issue with Mumbai. And it could've been sorted out... (WT-en) Ronline 02:47, 14 May 2004 (EDT)

 * Ronline: I'm sorry that you may have misread my statement. I'm neither laying down a dictatorial rule nor closing down a vote by fiat. I'm just describing the current state of affairs on Wikivoyage. We don't have a voting system. If you want to start a Project:voting policy, let's get that going.

 * I'd be really unhappy with a WikiPedia:Calvinball approach, though. I don't think that serves travellers or this community. I understand that the Bombay issue is very important to you. I'd like to get it worked out in an amenable fashion. --(WT-en) Evan 12:33, 15 May 2004 (EDT)

 * I've responded in length at Project:Article naming conventions. I'd also like to get this worked out in an amenable fashion... I tried getting this solved many times by public concensus, it didn't seem to work, thus the referendum idea. Anyway, it seems the poll has ended, the YES vote won, which sort of proves another point for Mumbai. Other than that, I think we should agree on public concensus whether it should be changed to Mumbai or not (we can do this of couse on the Talk:Bombay page). (WT-en) Ronline 05:59, 17 May 2004 (EDT)

Vandalism on fr:
Some Proxadian has been repeatedly adding a phpbb and other inappropriate external links to two pages on fr:. I called it an edit war (between me and Yann on one side and the Proxadian on the other) but Yann says it's vandalism. P refuses to talk it out on the talk page. I suggested protecting the pages; is that OK? -(WT-en) phma 05:35, 15 May 2004 (EDT)

 * I'd be disappointed to see it. Can you live with reverting for a couple more days? Is the Project:External links style guideline translated on fr: yet?
 * Yes; it just didn't have a link back to en:. Edit war I started translating when this happened. -(WT-en) phma 10:15, 18 May 2004 (EDT)

 * Another possibility is just leaving the link in for a few days until the guy goes away, and then reverting it. Yes, it's kind of underhanded, but amazingly effective. Patience and long-term view are a great asset for people who actually have the project's best interest at heart.

 * Also, I don't understand what a Proxadian is. I'll try and help with reverting when I'm online. Maj and I should be back in Montreal in a couple of days. --(WT-en) Evan 12:40, 15 May 2004 (EDT)
 * A Proxadian (a neologism from phma ;o)) is someone who uses Proxad as ISP. BTW he seems to have understood that a link to his forum is inappropriate. Didn't come back for 2 days. (WT-en) Yann 10:20, 17 May 2004 (EDT)
 * He left a message in Eastern Europe. I think he understands now. -(WT-en) phma 16:13, 18 May 2004 (EDT)

Please read the paragraf about romanian wikivoyage !
Thanks. I've read it, and I've tried to update the LanguageRo.php file with your changes. I also added the Creative Commons image to every page. I didn't add the text ("Article text and images available under a Creative Commons license") since I didn't know how to say them in Romanian.

The insertion messages aren't working on the Romanian and French Wikivoyages because of a bug in MediaWiki 1.2. I'm trying to get it fixed... expect some changes later this week. --(WT-en) Evan 12:30, 18 May 2004 (EDT)

 * The message for "Article text and images available under a Creative Commons license" would be "Textul articolelor şi imaginile sunt disponibile în termenii unei licenţe Creative Commons."

 * More, we have a new bug. We cannot send pictures. It shows error and the images are not uploaded. Before, it showed error but the images were uploaded, but now it doesn't work anyway we try. --Danutz

New Orleans
Should I move New Orleans Mardi Gras to "New Orleans/Mardi Gras"? What do you think about spliting off the French Quater section of "New Orleans" into "New Orleans/French Quarter"? Cheers, -- (WT-en) Infrogmation 14:59, 25 May 2004 (EDT)

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Galveston fiasco
Galveston and Galveston, Texas are circular redirects. For some reason, we can't edit either page to fix this problem, so a vfd was set up to kill one of the pages. But it turns out I can't delete either page. Looks to me like some SQL foo needs to be employed by the DB Administrator. Good luck, DBA guy! -- (WT-en) Colin 20:52, 7 May 2005 (EDT)

Accomodations?
Just in case you missed it and have any comment: Project:Accommodation listings -- (WT-en) Colin 13:05, 17 May 2005 (EDT)

Information section
(copied from Project:Article templates)

I would suggest to use "Information" section to the article. This coulc contain Tourist Offices, Money&Exchange, Bookstores, Libraries, magazines listing actual events and everything related to getting information. (Also good guidebooks.) If you prefer verb tense it could be Get informed. It could also include "Contact" section (which I would prefer to call "Communication") with Phone, Post&Mail, Email&Internet etc. (WT-en) bujatt 01:20, 18 May 2005 (EDT)

WikiSpam
Evan, The BroadVoice Wiki is just starting up, but we've begun to be hit by evil wikispam. I'm having trouble finding information about the MediaWiki solutions, so I'm curious to know what you've been using as an extention. Thanks, Marsh

See also: User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Archives

Two Birmingham (UK) Articles
Evan,

As I have written on Project:Votes_for_deletion, there are two very similar articles on Birmingham (UK): "Birmingham" and "Birmingham_(Midlands)". I am happy to combine them and leave one as a redirect, but is there any way to keep the info (history) of who wrote what, or will we just have to lose some of it? -- (WT-en) DanielC 14:46, 21 May 2005 (EDT)

Interesting place names
Is there any place in WikiTravel where there is an article on interesting or unusual place names? In ND, I have come across three, so far. Zap, Anamoose and Max. (WT-en) Stavp 01:38, 23 May 2005 (EDT)

Map Links
Evan,

why don`t you like the map links I took the time to add some days ago?

Michael mich.web@web.de

 * It's not that I don't like them. They just don't fit in with our rules for external links. --(WT-en) Evan

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Hi Evan, please see my opinion about derivations of dual-licenced works on Project:Dual licensing. -- (WT-en) Hansm 05:33, 2003 Nov 4 (PST)

Hey Evan... I've already started combining my 'paris and ile' etc. page back into the paris one. The only really solid info I had was the hotel listing anyhow, so I figure that the page I made can go away now. -- (WT-en) Mark Wed Nov 5 17:36:41 2003 (CET)

Dude! she was just getting started on that... maybe a little helpful guidence would have been a bit more, um, less likely to get me yelled at tonight than just stomping the whole thing. -- User:(WT-en) UchuHa

I've finished translating the script for the Romanian Wikipedia - see the page Project:Romanian Wikivoyage for more info. - User:(WT-en) Ronline, 6 Nov 2003

Thanx for looking at the pages i've created, its a nice thing to see my failures =) - User:(WT-en) TriBble

Ok Evan I want my 5 drachmas but also need a favor. When i changed the skin on my user preferences all the links that used to show up on the left were all placed in a pulldown menu that is not functioning(not allowing me to change it back). Could you change my skins preference back to the default. Thanks (WT-en) Ron 00:34, 10 Nov 2003 (PST)
 * Duh, I was able to access it by typing in the link, but i think that these skin options may have to either be deleted or fixed. (WT-en) Ron 01:02, 10 Nov 2003 (PST)

Hi Evan, would you have a look at my comments on Project:Article naming conventions and tell me what you think of it. Thanks! (WT-en) DhDh 02:39, 10 Nov 2003 (PST)

Sorry! shouldn't use wikivoyage as wikirelationship, but I did threaten to and I needed something to cheer me up after my missplaced cram session. Thanks! Maj

Hi Evan, you noticed my edits to Socorro, so I thought I'd drop you a note: I've put in minor edits on New Mexico, New York and India, and hope to add more in future. Oh, and I signed up - although I'm not very sure of Wiki talk conventions yet... top down, or add at bottom? (WT-en) SC, 10 Nov 2003, 6pm MDT

 * Hey, SC. Yes, I appreciated your work on Socorro and other places. You might want to read more on using talk pages to get a feel; we usually append stuff at the bottom. Thanks for signing up, and I look forward to seeing more contributions! -- (WT-en) Evan 17:15, 10 Nov 2003 (PST)

 * Thanks -- I'm getting the hang of this, I think. More to follow later. (WT-en) SC 17:18, 10 Nov 2003 (PST)

- Hey Evan, Im like 70 percent done with the Death Valley page and would really like some feed back whenever you might have a chance about tone, style, content or whatever else you think needs addressing. Thanks. (WT-en) Ron 10:37, 11 Nov 2003 (PST)

Sure, I can take a look at splitting up Mexico into regions. I'll check if there's some scheme that people generally use (I seem to remember having heard something along those lines), if not, I'll just do a general thing. I'll get around to looking at that this week. (WT-en) Joakim 17:00, 11 Nov 2003 (CST)

Hey Evan, i went back to the Death Valley page and modified it quite a bit to better fit in with the general style guidelines. I asked and received some advice from Dhum Dhum, and would appreciate it if you and Maj can to take a quick look at it to see if this is working or not. Thanks (WT-en) Ron 14:10, 12 Nov 2003 (PST) --- Hey, I've noticed that somebody is replacing certain characters in the paris page with the cooresponding HTML entities... Now I have no problem with that, but it does make me wonder if maybe you might consider switching from iso-8859-1 to utf-8. This will be especially important when it comes time to do the chinese phrasebooks. Since we've switched to utf-8 here our character-related problems have gone from considerable to nil. -- (WT-en) Uchuha 11:33, 2003 Nov 13 (PST)

Thanks for the corrections in Bordeaux page ! I won't use "I" anymore on the articles - I thought it could give the reader a feeling of being closer to the writer, but you're right it looks also a bit less serious (and reliable). I've added quite a lot today, I don't know to what level of detail I should talk about work, but here it is anyway. Wikivoyage is such a nice project :). -- (WT-en) Mathieu 08:03, 15 Nov 2003 (PST)

Has there been any thought in joining the Wikimedia Foundation? Is this a possibility? Would this make sense? I just stumbled across wikipedia.org's non-profit "parent" and thought I'd mention it. (WT-en) Mattmcp 16:06, 15 Nov 2003 (PST)

 * It's come up before, actually. The Wikimedia folks approached us when we first started the project. My main feeling on this is that I'd like to see the project more mature before we make that decision. -- (WT-en) Evan 16:48, 15 Nov 2003 (PST)

Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country
I'm experimenting with comments. -- (WT-en) Evan 12:15, 18 Nov 2003 (PST)

Link color scheme
Hi, these are the colors I used in my color scheme proposal. Maybe you have to experiment a little. --Head

Played with the colors a bit. I like what I have there now, but take a look at the changes to see other options. On my way home in a few... (WT-en) Majnoona

No worries, Evan, it's been a pleasure to tinker with the Main Page. I'm glad you like it and I hope the other Wikivoyagers will too. :-) (WT-en) DhDh 13:03, 28 Nov 2003 (PST)

Evan, I answered your question on "cities and towns" on Project:Article templates. (WT-en) DhDh 14:29, 28 Nov 2003 (PST)

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See also User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Archives

Spock
I sent you an e-mail, but not reply. Do I have to ask some arcane Wikivoyage question, like "I've come up with a currency conversion function that takes an automatic feed from Reuters an allows travelers in realtime to be able to guage fair currency conversion rates (bid and offer levels). What do you think?" Or perhaps I'll just scream and wave my hands--which is hard to do while your zipping you son into his spiderman costume.

Portuguese WikiTravel?
Hi Evan, anybody start the WikiTravel in portuguese? I would like to create one here. What you think?

Regards (WT-en) Paulino Michelazzo

 * I think it sounds great. You should check out our Project:Language version policy. We have a Project:Portuguese Wikivoyage Expedition started up already, I believe. We need to translate the interface files; I can set that up soon. --(WT-en) Evan 14:39, 20 Nov 2004 (EST)

 * So.. we need anything more to do this? (WT-en) Paulino Michelazzo

 * Two things: choose a go-between, and get the interface file fixed. See Project:Portuguese Wikivoyage Expedition. --(WT-en) Evan 09:26, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

IvyMedia
Moved to Talk:New York (city) by (WT-en) Evan

check your e-mail,pls

Template:Country Quickbar
Evan thanks for the comment, I made Template:Country Quickbar and usage at User:(WT-en) Bijee/India, let me know is ok to use it, (talk at Travellers' pub) -(WT-en) Bijee 20:04, 3 Nov 2004 (EST)

 * Yeah, that's really not OK with me. I really hate templates. I'll get started on the Project:template policy soon. --(WT-en) Evan 21:48, 3 Nov 2004 (EST)

Swedish Wikipedia sysop status
Hey Evan, I will be more or less inactive overall as a wiki user during the winter (november - mars/april in Sweden), because of work. Thus, we would like you to appoint yet another sysop for the Swedish language version of Wikivoyage (see Wikivoyage:Begäran_om_administratörskap for votum). We have suggested (WT-sv) Väsk as our second admin. --(WT-en) Alers 05:15, 8 Nov 2004 (EST)

 * Done! --(WT-en) Evan 20:49, 8 Nov 2004 (EST)

 * Thanks! --(WT-en) Alers 03:51, 9 Nov 2004 (EST)

Sysops on German Wikivoyage
Evan, during the last two weeks, we have been growing by almost 50 new articles per week. We have about 100 edits per day. I'm looking for other contributors to become admins, since only one admin with sysop flag turned on is much too less. Please remember how many admins there had been on en: at a simular state of development and traffic. Imagine what would happen if there was a bot driven spam attac against de: and you or I are not reachable. And not at least, don't forget that I only have agreed to be temporary go-between. We definitely need two or three more sysops. Please let me know that we can count on your support. -- (WT-en) Hansm 15:27, 2004 Nov 9 (EST)

 * So, I'm kind of trying to brainstorm to think what we can do to get this situation under control. First, let's try to encourage Wikivoyagers on the other language versions who are familiar with our way of doing things and even glancingly conversant in German to sign up on de: and scan recent changes.

 * Second, do you think there are any tasks that non-German speakers could try to take on (for example, welcoming new users, or adding templates to articles)? We can always try to scan for obviously unwanted edits, too. I'm worried that this might backfire -- over-eager non-German speakers might remove valuable information and not be able to explain why.

 * Third, do you really need administrators? We just don't use our super-admin-powers on en: that much, so I'm not sure why you'd need them on de:. Are you using yours a lot? Anyways, if you have some people who should be administrators, I can wave the wand over their heads to do it. However, IWBNI those people had Wikivoyage experience and had been voted on. I can understand if you need some "emergency" admins, though.

 * Finally: if you get swamped on de:, we can have another person become go-between, or if no one will do it, we can temporarily shut down the site. If you're not having fun and you're not getting support from the other members of the de: community, you don't have to carry the whole site. --(WT-en) Evan 16:36, 9 Nov 2004 (EST)

 * I just want to know one thing: Are you willed to switch on the sysop flag for other de: admins or not? -- (WT-en) Hansm 17:26, 2004 Nov 9 (EST)

 * Oh. Yes, of course! You're the go-between, you tell me who to switch on. --(WT-en) Evan 17:35, 9 Nov 2004 (EST)

 * Thank you, Evan. It's still too early to tell you names, I first want to get to know people better on de: and get an impression about who would be the right ones. It was just a question to be sure that I can offer them the sysop status if they would like to become admin. -- (WT-en) Hansm 01:28, 2004 Nov 10 (EST)

Links to hotel-listing sites
Hi Evan,

I only thought it best when entering the link to www.safarinow.com into the African sites of the directory. I always found it very helpful to have a big collection of places when going somewhere. Especially places like Cape Town where there are hundreds of hotels, B&Bs... to go.

Regards,

Felix

Felix,

The problem seems to be, if you add safarinow.com, then why not wheretostay.co.za, sleeping-out.co.za, and all the other web sites listing accommodation. You'll end up with a mess. And I think Wikivoyage should not be advertising commercial sites, which these are. Finally, all these sites are easily googled.

Regards

Caligo

Edit-Toolbar, Time and Templates on de:
The flood wave on de: seems to abate and the ship slowly moves towards a good course in regard to structure and MoS. Three questions:
 * Some new contributors had been confused since they didn't find the toolbar in top of the edit window as they were used from WP. It took them a while to understand that they can turn it on in their preferences. Would it be possible to turn it on by default?
 * I've just turned it on by default on de:. Hopefully that's what you're looking for!
 * The vaste majority of German speaking people lives in coutries in the UTC+1 (UTC+2 in summer time) time zone. Is there a way to use this time zone as default on de:? It would improve readability if the time you see in the "recent changes" and the time of signing with ~ would be the same time zone. At present, the time of signing ist EST, even if the time in the preferences is set to UTC+1.
 * I had problems setting this for sv:, but I think we eventually got it worked out. I set the default timezone to "CET". Does that work correctly?
 * (WT-de) User:Huebi as worked on a template with parameters that produces the Quick Facts box for coutry articles, see the source for de:Italien as an example. Huebi argues, that this would seperate the actual content in a more lucid way from control commands. My concerns are, that we maybe get somewhat fixed on his template and lose our Neutrality of medium. At the other hand, it would be realy easy to read out the content and process it in a more appropriate way if we want, for example, use our work for a printed book. I'm quite double-minded about that. Could you have a look on it and give a statement. -- (WT-en) Hansm 06:23, 2004 Nov 13 (EST)
 * We have some stuff about this at Project:template policy. I'm really dubious about them and would prefer to only use templates for "throw-away" content, and preferably just for process stuff like the stub or disambiguation statement. But other people have other ideas. --(WT-en) Evan 23:26, 18 Nov 2004 (EST)

Copyleft
I responded to your comments at User talk:(WT-en) Ram-Man. -- (WT-en) Ram-Man 16:12, 17 Nov 2004 (EST)

Italian Language
Hi Evan, I don't see any work in progress for the Italian language version, I think would be nice to make an Italian version of WikiTravel, if for you is fine I could manage to start this new project.

 * → Project:Italian Wikivoyage Expedition (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:49, 18 Nov 2004 (EST)

Bug
Hello Evan, there's a bug on swedish Wikivoyage: once you've logged in it's impossible to log out. But overall I can't see any mayor problems :-) (WT-en) Väsk 14:24, 19 Nov 2004 (EST)
 * Oh, it seems to work now :-) Now there's no problem (depsite that my user name displays as 'V%C3%A4sk' instead of 'Väsk') (WT-en) Väsk 14:26, 19 Nov 2004 (EST)

More bugs
Hi Evan, I'm leaving this here because I can't access the Bug reports page. In fact, there's a ton of errors since the move to the new 404 caching system. I can't access user preferences, various pages (including the bug reports page), and for some reason when browsing in Firefox I can't edit any page (but IE works). All I get is this error:

 * [filenotfound: message=".pt not found" code=0 mode=return level=notice prefix="" info=""]

Help! (Nickpest) -141.158.241.122 14:35, 19 Nov 2004 (EST)

 * The new code is acting poorly for people who had non-monobook skins selected. I've made a correction of changing the database so each person's preferences are now reset to monobook, which should fix it for now. I'm going to be fixing the software, also, over the next couple of hours.

 * Sorry for the hassle! --(WT-en) Evan 16:39, 19 Nov 2004 (EST)

Been away
Evan, I've put a note on my user page. Basically, I went away for a while, got a bug and got damn sick but I'm almost back to fighting strength! And where I was there is no elctricity so no Internet! My apologies for not getting back to you sooner.

On another point, there is something wierd with the session timeout. If I login and leave my screen for a while, the session used to timeout. If I hit "Ctrl F5", then the "log out" at the top would change to "log in" so I would know to login. What happens now is that when I hit "Ctrl F5", and watch closely the screen shows "login" and then quickly switches to "log out". So it appears that I am logged in but am not. If I look at my watchlist e.g., there is nothing. --(WT-en) Nzpcmad 19:21, 21 Nov 2004 (EST)

 * Yeah. You should check out Project:12 November 2004. I had to implement a caching system based on static files on the server. It works well, but because it's serving the same static files for everyone, there's some difficulties in indicating whether you're logged in or not. I added some funky Javascript that checks your login cookie, but apparently the cookie doesn't die at the same time as your login session. I'm going to try to debug this further. --(WT-en) Evan 21:17, 21 Nov 2004 (EST)

Foo
test save

Have a look, say your opinion and what you want - it's your project
http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/article/Talk:Hospitality_exchange

 * I've been watching the discussion unfold there, and if I have anything to say, I'll add it -- thanks. Also, it's not "my" project. I don't watch every single page on the site, and I don't get involved with every single discussion. Finally, it's a lot easier just to write Talk:Hospitality exchange. --(WT-en) Evan 13:23, 6 Dec 2004 (EST)
 * Thanks. Sometimes is a objective opinion from a outsider essential and for some people needs to be one with good reputation. xxx

Thanks!
I know it must have been an awful week for you guys as you dealt with this, so I just wanted to say thank you again for perservering through the mess. -- (WT-en) Mark 20:26, 25 Nov 2004 (EST)

That's a big ditto from me - thanks for standing in the gap! (WT-en) Pjamescowie 20:43, 25 Nov 2004 (EST)

Thank you very much Evan for all the work you've done this week ! -(WT-en) Quirk 09:19, 26 Nov 2004 (EST)

Thanks not just for bringing Wikivoyage back on line, but for (inadvertently) forcing some of us to take a break from our addiction! Cold turkey indeed! -- (WT-en) Paul Richter 10:39, 26 Nov 2004 (EST)

Me too. Are you planning on collecting donations to pay for all this? I'd be glad to chip in. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:51, 26 Nov 2004 (EST)

Thanks! And I also would like to see a way to send donations for all this. You've been shouldering the bill yourselves for too long, I suspect. -- (WT-en) Colin 00:32, 27 Nov 2004 (EST)

Housing in Montreal
Hey Evan, this isn't quite a Wikivoyage topic. :) My sister is moving to Montreal for a co-op in January, I wonder if you could give me some tips on the housing market.

Is the market tight? Should she sort it out before before she arrives? She's looking for something close to the Metro. Which neighbourhoods near the Metro should she stay out of?

If you got any ideas, I'd be happy to hear them. --(WT-en) Dawnview 01:39, 7 Dec 2004 (EST)

 * Sure. You're right that it's not Wikivoyage-related, but: I think the key thing for anglophones is to learn enough French that you can read the French-language rental ads. The ads in the English-language newspapers are slim, and they concentrate on anglophone areas of town, which tend to be more expensive. I've found a couple of apartments here, usually through the Journal de Montreal or the free weekly Voir. But there are two other French dailies (La Presse and Le Devoir) and another weekly (Ici, with weak housing listings).

 * For neighborhoods, check the map. The farther "south" (towards the St. Laurent), the better chance of being near the metro. The closer to the Old Town, the better the neighborhoods are... up until you actually get downtown. Really, the only scuzzy part of town is on the Ste Catherine corridor from, say, de Lorimier up to University. Most young people tend to stay in N.D.G. (anglophone), the Plateau (francophone), St. Henri (mixed), Hochelaga (really francophone).

 * Finally, tell her to call us when she gets to town and stop by for dinner! --(WT-en) Evan 09:53, 7 Dec 2004 (EST)

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