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Talk:San Juan

Although San Juan in Puerto Rico is probably the most famous San Juan in the world, there are just too many for it to be granted an exception according to the Project:article naming conventions. I've tried to make this work right; comments welcome. --(WT-en) Evan 09:35, 9 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Restaurant Listings
The restaurant listings look to exclude any non-carribean ethnic cuisine. While I agree that people should sample the local cuisine, I think it serves the traveler to have all the options. I propose to classify the existing listings as "Caribbean" or "Puerto Rican/Creole" and add others such as Italian, French, American, etc. Awaiting comment from those who have authored so far. (WT-en) OldPine 23:15, 26 June 2006 (EDT)

San Juan
Why does San Juan redirect to San Juan (Puerto Rico) (this article)? Should we move this article to San Juan, which I think makes more sense, rather than redirecting a top level article name to an article with a disambiguator? -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 05:22, 27 February 2007 (EST)

Districts?
Districtification for the article is currently completely messed up. I'd suggest that... Opinions? (WT-en) Jpatokal 18:01, 18 April 2007 (EDT)
 * 1) we move this article to "San Juan" without the disambig (there's a lotta San Juans in the world, but it's by far the biggest)
 * 2) we limit districts to Old San Juan, Condado, Isla Verde and "Downtown" (for lack of a better word)

 * Agreed. Even the top level name San Juan redirects to "San Juan (Puerto Rico)" which seems redundant. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 00:51, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Bumpity-bump. Any other opinions before I plunge forward? (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:39, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

 * yeah, do it! by the way, this article, along with Puerto Rico, better be up to guide status incredibly soon or I'm gonna start thinking you guys were just on vacation during this so called "get together" ;)  – (WT-en) cacahuate   talk 03:44, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

This article seriously needs some attention
San Juan seems to be districtified yet has no district map. Moreover it's halfway districtified, and most of the district articles are red links, and the district tags were at the bottom of the article until five minutes ago. A whole lot of POIs are still here in the main article. And have a look at the dates in the thread above - if this district discussion would be a person, it would be attending first grade in school!

Anyone who's visited to San Juan? Any locals around? The last thread reveals that there has been a get together (some kind of Wiki meeting?) seven years back. BTW the article's content is probably not up to date either. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:16, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

 * I would propose the radical solution: make tabula rasa with the districts by merging them all here and eliminating the subdivision into districts altogether, than redistrictrify if and when needed. Best wishes Hobbitschuster (talk) 11:54, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I haven't been there (yet ;)), but it seems to me that the city is actually not *that* huge. We have plenty of cities this size without districts, so Hobbitschuster's idea is a good option. As it is a rather touristic place, with many hotel listings etc, I could also imagine we bring the number of districts back to three or so. That way the useful info in e.g Old San Juan could stay, while we get rid of the empty districts. JuliasTravels (talk) 20:19, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I overlooked the older comment by User:Jpatokal, who suggested four districts. That seems fine too. JuliasTravels (talk) 20:21, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

 * There are plenty of far larger cities — Guangdong, Suzhou & Shenzhen are all well over 10 million, for example — that do not have separate district articles and I'm not sure they need them. There are also places like Delhi that I'd say really need districts & don't have them. I'm therefore wondering if San Juan really needs them.
 * I do not know the region. I'd be happy to support either User:Hobbitschuster's suggestion of going back to no districts or User:Jpatokal's earlier proposal of a simple four-district scheme, but inclined to oppose anything more complex. Pashley (talk) 03:14, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

 * Is this still here? Heck, let's just put the content back in the main article and delete the districts. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:57, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Transit options
Hi, I'm new here and just did some editing on public transit options in San Juan based on my recent holiday there. Feel free to leave feedback on my talk page.

I was wondering, though, if the paragraph that mentions "guaguas" should be removed; it sounds like it fits more in the Puerto Rico article, or perhaps warrants a mention in the bus section saying that the buses do not extend outside the city.

Also, I don't know that I've seen a labeled section like "Useful Routes", but I was struggling with the presentation. As a visitor I felt it would have been useful to know, and this seemed to be the best.

Thanks! Bravemidwesterner (talk) 02:56, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

 * I'm not familiar with Puerto Rico and thus can't comment much on content and whether a sub-section like "Useful routes" is really that useful, but since this isn't a particularly well-developed articles feel free to move or re-write anything that you think makes sense. For more well-developed articles like USA or Chicago it's tougher to make big changes since those articles have been edited and re-edited thousands of times already, but San Juan still seems to be in its infant stages.  Remember to use edit summaries or leave messages on the talk page (like this one) when you think something might warrant further attention. -- Ryan • (talk) • 03:50, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

San Juan (Puerto Rico)
So I stumbled upon the article on San Juan (Puerto Rico) and it seems clear to me that this article needs work. A city of roughly 300 000 it has been "districtified", but there is no district map and half the "districts" are just redlinks. And this is just where problems begin. A debate on this was raised on the talk page about a year ago - but - as so often happens - went nowhere. What should be done? Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:01, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Districts again
Hey I thank you for all your tireless work on copy editing and the likes, but I am not entirely sure moving stuff to district articles is a wise course of action on this article. It seems that several editors have leaned towards merging the districts into the main article, at the very least for the time being. If you have other suggestions, feel free to voice them. Best wishes. Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:40, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * That's fine. If someone decides to merge the articles, then they can group the hotels by district under the Budget/Mid-range/Splurge categories more easily. And if no-one consolidates the articles, then the listings are in the right place and not duplicated (I am finding listings for the same hotels in the San Juan article and in the district articles.) The discussion has been under way for over two years now, so I don't think that change is imminent. Ground Zero (talk) 16:49, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, I fear the discussion has gone the way so many discussions have: At some point it just.... stopped... Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:53, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * That could happen either because no-one feels they know the subject well enough to undertake the project, or because no-one is interested in doing the work. I've never been to PR, and don't plan to go to the US for at least the next three years and nine months, so you could put me in both camps I guess. I'm not convinced that consolidation is needed, but I don't object to it either. Ground Zero (talk) 19:46, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Merge all districts here
I don't know much about this place, but what is there to say against merging all districts here? Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:38, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Several of the district articles are well-developed. It think it would be better to move listings from this article to the district articles. Ground Zero (talk) 14:57, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
 * First of all the district list does not contain a map (which is extremely unhelpful to non-locals) and secondly it contains a bunch of redlinks. Even if the current districts were to be kept, we would have to do something about that. The district structure should always cover and include the whole city without overlap. If that is not possible, something is wrong. Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:05, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I've posted a note in the pub seeking help. I agree that there are problems with the article, but I think that consolidating it would make it unwieldy. Ground Zero (talk) 15:30, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Per my comment from last year a few threads up this talk page, let's just merge the districts back into the main article. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:59, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The discussion had been open for a week without any new input, so I will defer to you guys. Go ahead and merge if you want to. Ground Zero (talk) 12:38, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * should this be done then? Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:59, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. No need for further discussion. Just do it. Ground Zero (talk) 22:42, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Do go ahead, then. Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:57, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Um, no. You proposed the merger. I opposed it, but since you and one other editor were in favour, I acquiesced. Expecting another editor to do your bidding is quite frankly ridiculous. If you are not willing to do the work involved in merging articles, then maybe you shouldn't bother prosing them. None of us is getting paid for this. Ground Zero (talk) 23:21, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll start doing it now. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:39, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ ϒpsilon (talk) 18:26, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:46, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * @Ground Zero @Hobbitschuster @Ypsilon, sorry for bothering you four years later but you should know that a user recently begin re-destrictifing San Juan, I wasn't aware of this earlier and should I tell them? Also are there old districts saved on any of your user spaces as they may want them restored. Tai123.123 (talk) 06:33, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ reverted. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:16, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

(indent reset) I haven't saved anything, I'm not sure if anyone has, though as I've apparently been the one moving the content back to the main article, all of the listings should be in the main article. The old district division was just a mess that was left halfway and if the new user is attempting to recreate exactly that same situation with a huge number of district stubs then that would not be an improvement. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:35, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

 * he only had 4 districts, SHB reverted his changes but you can see them in the history Tai123.123 (talk) 21:22, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:San Juan (city, Argentina)

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Me preocupa que el articulo sobre San Juan ha sido escrito usando un traductor automatico Espaniol-Ingles; el producto esta lleno de errores, algunos comicos (Right Fray Justo Santa Maria de Oro, por ejemplo; lo corregi). Me ofrezco como traductor. Jubilado, sanjuanino, mas de cuatro decadas en USA. Litoguti

Remises?
From the article:

The city centre is very walkable, supplemented by an urban transport system of buses, a taxi service and remises.

What is meant by a remise? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:17, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

 * I think it's a sort of a taxi running on fixed routes (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remís). --Ypsilon (talk) 18:09, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Reading that article closer, they seem to be a kind of taxi that you need to order by phone (can't be hailed on the street), they are less regulated than normal taxis for example when it comes to fares and tend to be a bit more luxurious. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:18, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

 * OK, but I don't think that usage is English. I read that and went "HUH???" Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:42, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

 * I've been to Uruguay and therefore remembered this was some kind of taxi or minibus (and checked it up), but otherwise I'd also go "HUH?". Pinging User:Mx. Granger for the point of view of a native English speaker familiar with the Southern cone. Is there some good English word for remise? If there isn't, and this is mostly a South American thing, then we probably should just use "remise", like marshrutka in articles about the former Soviet Union, songthaew in Thailand etc. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:03, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

 * I understand a remís to be a type of taxi and would describe it as such on Wikivoyage. I'm not sure if I've ever ridden one, and I don't know if there's a clear, specific word for them in English. Wiktionary's entry (remís) says "hire car". —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:22, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

 * But you can see why I thought "remise". Is it a good idea to very briefly define the term in the article, or failing that, in Argentina? (I'm guessing it isn't already defined there.) Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:30, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

 * Yes, I definitely think it's confusing. In the sentence under discussion, I'd suggest leaving out the term and just saying "taxi". It would be good to explain the term in Argentina regardless. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:21, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:San Juan/El Condado

Shouldn't this just be called "Condado", not "El Condado"? That's what signs and people seem to say. (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:24, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I think you're right. The taxi driver referred to the district as "Condado", not "El Condado". -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 00:44, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

Zip codes in "directions" tabs
Generally, we exclude zip codes from US addresses on this site. However, I don't know San Juan. Do people in San Juan generally refer to different sections of the city by their zip codes? If so, perhaps they should stay; if not, directions like "San Juan 00907" should be deleted, and there certainly can't be a reason to mention "Puerto Rico" in the directions, because no-one would think to take a boat off the island to get to any hotel in San Juan, right? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:15, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:San Juan/Old San Juan

Comments
Not sure why the images aren't showing on this page. (WT-en) OldPine 23:16, 26 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Bah, it's me. Needed to flush my cache. (WT-en) OldPine 23:18, 26 June 2006 (EDT)

Apartment listing consensus
A call for consensus on listing apartments. Is there a dearth of hotels enough to need some long-term accommodation listed. I dont have an opinion, just trying to get the ball rolling. Agree/Object? - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 09:30, 6 January 2011 (EST)

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Talk:San Juan County (Washington)

I'm not a Washington expert, but is there a significant difference between this county and the San Juan Islands? Aren't they pretty much coextensive? --(WT-en) Evan 11:35, 21 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I live in Vancouver and have family in the San Juan Islands. Evan, your hunch is right. For travel guide purposes, I think San Juan County isn't a very useful article, and whatever content is here could be better off in the San Juan Islands article. I'm going to move content across. I also propose turning the this (County) article into a redirect to San Juan Islands. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 17:38, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

 * A perfectly sensible proposal. Plunge forward. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 17:56, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

 * My complaint is that San Juan Island are a geographical feature within the state of Washington while San Juan County is a political location and so san juan island should redirect to san juan county sine the hierarchy of washington (state) goes as follows: regions, then political location with in the region (example is olympic peninsula subdivides into Clallam county and jefferson county and then into Port Angeles, a city in Clallam county. (WT-en) Celticevergreen 00:40, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Your point is valid, the Washington State articles are presently organised on county lines. On the other hand, I'm not a big fan of using counties as subregions for Wikivoyage. We want to serve travellers, and county boundaries aren't all that meaningful to travellers (see Talk:Washington (state). We should have regions and subregions based on travel logic. By that logic the San Juan Islands are a top-level region of Washington, and I don't think San Juan County per se is very interesting at all. Your thoughts? (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 03:05, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

 * I understand where you are coming from and all I am doing is raising the point that we currently have a setup that is in place and until we agree to change that setup (for the rest of the state), then it needs to stay with region then county. I would much rather see SJ County under a SJI region than under Puget Sound where it is right now. (WT-en) Celticevergreen 03:14, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Fair enough, let's continue this discussion in Talk:Washington (state). (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 15:03, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

Per Talk:Washington (state), I've moved the content out of this article to the San Juan Islands region article, and made this a redirect to there. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 16:29, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:San Juan Islands

Per the discussion at Talk:Washington (state), I've made this article a top-level region in Washington (state). Per Talk:Washington (state), I've moved the content out of the San Juan County (Washington) article to here, and made it a redirect to here. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 16:21, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

do over
I seriously think it might be time to start over from scratch, it looks like somebody made up their own template.

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Talk:San Leandro

Yellow pages
While this is a nice article and a ton of work is going into it, one of the goals of Wikivoyage is to avoid being a yellow pages of all establishments in a city. Generally the goal is to try to pick some highlights and write a review of those establishments - see Project:Restaurant listings and Project:Goals and non-goals for details.

It may be sufficient to simply add a sentence about some of the fast-food restaurants in San Leandro ("San Leandro offers the standard chain restaurant selection, with McDonalds, KFC... all having stores in the city") and focus the guide on places that might be of more interest to travelers. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:05, 25 June 2007 (EDT)

Manual of style
There have been several edits by an anonymous user that reverted edits meant to bring this article in line with the Project:Manual of style. All articles should conform to the article guidelines unless there is a good reason not to. Additionally, to the anonymous user making these changes, it would help us very much if you created a user account so that we can communicate with you. -- 16:27, 6 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Also see Project:Listings, Project:Restaurant listings, Project:Accommodation listings and Project:Manual of style. The correct format for a listing is:

 * *Name of Place, Address (extra directions if necessary), phone number (email, fax, other contact if possible), . Days and times open. One to three sentences about the service, atmosphere, view, rooms, what have you. $lowprice-$highprice (extra price info).

 * This can be automatically created using:

 * *

 * -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:42, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:San Luis (Arizona)

This needs moving from San Luis to San Luis (Arizona) to make way for a disambiguation page - ?

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Talk:San Luis Obispo

I just added a good deal of content. The only thing I took out was the recommendation of the Naudical Bean coffee shop. It just isn't a local attraction. (WT-en) Smtomak 04:58, 6 July 2007 (EDT)

 * It doesn't have to be an "attraction", as long as it's a good cafe in a reasonable location. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:40, 6 July 2007 (EDT)

Best tri tip? meh.
There's a reason it's called "Santa Maria Style" tri tip.

Not that there is any good permanent restaurant for tri tip in Santa Maria. Just drive down broadway over the weekend. Alternatively look up Jocko's in Nipomo (15 minutes and worth the drive in the evening) and Far Western Tavern in Guadalupe (25 minutes down the 1)

I'll update those pages.

Guide status?
Any reason not to upgrade this to guide status now? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 00:31, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:San Luis Potosi

that picture isn't from san luis potosi much less the catedral —The preceding comment was added by 189.167.12.221 (talk • contribs)

San Luis Potosí
This page should be renamed as "San Luis Potosí". Nicole Sharp (talk) 21:12, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

San Luis Potosi
"San Luis Potosi (state)" has been renamed as "San Luis Potosí (state)". If the redirects from other pages can be fixed, that would be good. There doesn't seem to be an automated way to fix this for Wikivoyage. A Wikivoyage administrator is needed to add the ReplaceText Extension. This will allow automatically replacing all links on all pages to the new target. Without the missing extension, it is very difficult and time-consuming to manage page title changes that affect multiple pages since then each page has to be edited manually one by one (which could be hundreds or even thousands of pages for a popular page). Nicole Sharp (talk) 12:18, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

"San Luis Potosi" should also be renamed as "San Luis Potosí". Nicole Sharp (talk) 21:11, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

 * If you change things to make this incredibly unimportant minor "spelling change", then please be courteous enough to go back and test things like links and breadcrumb trails to make sure that you leave things working like they did when you found them. Mrkstvns (talk) 23:00, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Additional discussion is at " ". Nicole Sharp (talk) 12:39, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:San Marcos (Texas)

Comments
I propose that we move the contents of this article to San Marcos (Texas) and dedicate this article to San Marcos, California, as that is the larger of the two. -(WT-en) Branddobbe 17:31, 17 September 2006 (EDT)
 * I strongly disagree. I've never even heard of San Marcos, CA, but I see the Texas city all the time.  I could see a disambig page being reasonable though.  Also, it doesn't even have a page here.  (WT-en) Jordanmills 19:43, 24 September 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:San Marino

Train?
If, as the article states, there is no train in San Marino, then what is that black and white track on the map? Texugo (talk) 12:54, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * As per our sister project there is none. I don't know what the line signifies. Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:26, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Categorize as region of Italy?
While San Marino is a widely recognized sovereign country, its categorization as part of Europe is very imprecise. The Vatican City is categorized as a district of Rome, so there is a precedent to categorize a sovereign micronation as part of a country. San Marino has no border controls or international airport, so the country can only be entered through Italy. Italy is currently divided between six regions; adding San Marino as a seventh one would not overburden the category tree. /Yvwv (talk) 19:53, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

 * From the traveler's preservative, is San Marino part of Italy? My knowledge of San Marino is pretty limited, but I'm inclined to say it is. And if it is, then it should be breadcrumbed under Italy. But San Marino's rather small to be a region of Italy, maybe it should be listed under one of the other regions. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 17:37, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Discussion on Talk:Europe/Hierarchy about proposal to create Latin Europe article. /Yvwv (talk) 17:40, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

 * San Marino has different laws from Italy, which affect travellers a little bit. For instance, I believe you can buy things in San Marino that are illegal in Italy, and visa requirements seem to be different if you want to stay more than a few days. On the other hand, they're culturally similar and San Marino can only be reached via Italy. I think San Marino should be mentioned in the Europe article (or in the Latin Europe article if it ever becomes part of the hierarchy), but I would be okay with putting it under Italy in the breadcrumbs. I also think it should be mentioned in some way in the Italy article and/or one of its regions. Anywhere that it is mentioned, we should make sure it's clear that it's an independent country and not actually a part of Italy, regardless of how we decide to categorize it. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:13, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I think we can all agree that San Marino is a country, and should be listed as a country in the Europe article (same as Vatican City). Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 20:28, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

 * It's been a few mouths, and there are no objections: I'll go ahead and change the breadcrumb to Italy. —The preceding comment was added by Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk • contribs)

 * I object, on the same basis that Monaco is not breadcrumbed to France. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:45, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Monaco isn't, but Vatican City is. I think Monaco is a more iffy case. Monaco isn't completely surrounded by France, it's southern border is with the Mediterranean Sea. And Monaco has it's own language, so I suppose it's not culturally French.

 * I think the impotent question is: From the traveler's preservative, is San Marino part of Italy. I'm inclined to say that it is, for the most part. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 01:03, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

 * OK, so I'm objecting mainly so that nothing is done without due discussion; I haven't been to San Marino. However, I have been to Monaco, and French is the common language there, just as in Nice, which also has its own traditional language of Nissard. There are various parts of France that have traditional languages: Basque, Catalan, Langedoc, Provençal. I don't think that's a distinguishing factor for Monaco. Nor is speaking the same language evidence of a common identity, as Belgium and Switzerland also speak French. The truth is, I don't know how distinguishable San Marino is from Italy, but I do know that Vatican City is just part of Rome, so it's an exception and doesn't merit its own country-level article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:46, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

 * San Marino is certainly not a part of Italy, as it is a sovereign nation. Putting it in Latin Europe seems reasonable to me, although other languages even have pages for the Italian peninsula, which would be more precise. --MB-one (talk) 18:58, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

 * Latin Europe is an extra-region article. IsPartOf cannot be breadcrumbed to an extra-region article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:57, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

 * I see no reason for breadcrumbing San Marino to Italy. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:18, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Is San Marino a city-state?
The guide says that San Marino is "the sole survivor of the independent city states that used to make up the Italian peninsula before the unification of Italy". Is that correct, is San Marino a city-state? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 00:37, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

 * I would think so, though I saw the discussion you had elsewhere. If that word is controversial, we can explain that though it's a parliamentary democracy now, it's the sole survivor of the various principalities that used to dot the Italian peninsula, or something like that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:48, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

 * I'm not a geography expert, but I think of San Marino as a city-state. It was never a principality as far as I know. Anyway, I think the sentence quoted from the article could still be true even if San Marino isn't a city-state anymore—it would still be a survivor of the group of independent city-states even if it has since developed from a city-state into a different kind of small country. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:12, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

 * 1) WikiPedia states: "A great deal of consensus exists that the term properly applies currently to Singapore, Monaco, and Vatican City. [...] Occasionally, other small states with high population densities, such as San Marino, are also cited [...]" So, examples like San Marino are disputed and therefore cannot really be resolved here.
 * 2) However, as far as I can recall, the proper definition of a modern city-state is that where the city and the state cover the same area, i.e. both are indistinguishable, as it is the case for Monaco or Singapore. San Marino however, more resembles the example of the country of Luxembourg, which has a large city of the same name and smaller towns and cities of different names.
 * 3) Also, the use of the word "city-states" in relation to the states that formed Italy seems to be a language/translation inaccuracy. Where in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_city-states the wording might be used, in https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antichi_Stati_italiani the usage of the word city (Italian: città) for these states that formed Italy is largely missing. Instead, however, San Marino is called a "Repubblica" in the Italian version.
 * 4) Furthermore, using a term solely related to a regional governance definition in a global context just because the wording is the same, does not support its validity and applicability.
 * 5) I think, we should rather stick with something more appropriate like micro-state therefore.
 * Cheers, Ceever (talk) 02:12, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

 * A city state is a state that consists of only one city. As San Marinese will likely point out - especially those not living in the capital - there is more than one populated place in San Marino. The state is tiny, but it is not a state of one city. So while we might be aiming for a more informal tone here than over at WP, we should not aim for inaccurate. Best wishes. Hobbitschuster (talk) 11:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC) – as per Hobbitschuster's statement (Ceever (talk) 02:12, 4 October 2017 (UTC))

 * I think it would also be wrong to describe the states of Renaissance Italy as "city states" - yes, many of them were based around or named after a city, but some weren't. Plus they ranged from Republic to "crowned Republic" (Venice for most of its history) to de facto or de jure monarchy. At any rate calling San Marino a city state should imho be avoided. Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:29, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Well, I suppose we could simplify it to "the sole survivor of the independent states that used to make up the Italian peninsula before the unification of Italy". To make it a little more lively, maybe "the sole survivor of the patchwork of independent states..."? —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:42, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

 * I like your second version. Does the word "petty" to describe something small also carry negative connotations? Otherwise we could use "petty state". Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:49, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

 * The phrase "petty state" sounds strange to me. Nowadays, outside of some fixed phrases, the word "petty" usually means "narrow-minded, begrudging, or focused on unimportant issues", at least in the varieties of English that I'm familiar with. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:11, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Yeah, we definitely don't want to use "petty". Microstate, or perhaps small country. And for the description, one possibility is: "the sole survivor of the patchwork of small independent states", but I'd add "along with the Vatican", because that is a rump of the former Papal States. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:55, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The Vatican isn't that, though. From the Franco-Prussian War (which had the bizarre consequence of French troops no longer protecting the pope) to the reign of Mussolini, there was no papal state Vatican or anything of the sort. The current Vatican is a result of Mussolini giving the church a bit of land for reasons not so unlike similar land grants the church had gotten in the Middle Ages. San Marino may be exaggerating when they claim going back to 301 CE, but there is no fifty plus year gap before some dictator they like gifts them a piece of land. The Vatican thus can try and claim continuity, but it rings hollow. Furthermore, San Marino is member of international organizations as a state while for the Vatican it is usually the "Holy See". Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:33, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Reorganizing
I think it would be better to create a San Marino (country) article and a separate San Marino (city) article, and include any remaining information in other articles underneath San Marino (country). Any thoughts? Selfie City (talk) 14:44, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

 * Have you been to San Marino? It's tiny – the size of a small city plus surrounding suburbs and a bit of countryside. I don't think splitting it up into multiple articles makes sense, especially since the article isn't that long, and most tourists only visit the City of San Marino and perhaps Borgo Maggiore, not the other towns in the country. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:36, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

 * No, I haven't been to San Marino, and I'll take your advice. Selfie City (talk) 23:42, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Banner
Who doesn't like a fort? -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:27, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I prefer banner 0 as the fort in banner 1 is cut off. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 11:16, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * #1 reminds me of what I know of San Marino, but #0 is just a regular, gorgeous, historic European town. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:31, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * number 1 for me too. Ground Zero (talk) 16:09, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:23, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Vehicles
San Marino is the only country in the world with more vehicles than people — this is not accurate. There are 23 million bicycles on in The Netherlands for less than 18 million people, so even before counting cars, there are already more vehicles than people. Therefore, San Marino is not the only country with more vehicles than people. --Gerrit (talk) 13:06, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

 * Gerrit, if the truth is that it's the only country with more cars or more motor vehicles than people, please edit accordingly. In any case, if you did not make an edit, please do. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:29, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:San Martín

Name
I moveded this article to San Martin from San Martín Region and added a redirect from San Martín because of the Project:Article naming conventions guidelines. All authors are able to write San Martin with the standard keyboard. Writing San Martín is tricky for those without a latin extension, so I believe San Martin is a more common name in English and the difference between í and i is so minor that it is confusing to use the diacritic in the primary version of th name. -- (WT-en) Huttite 19:20, 27 Dec 2005 (EST)

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Talk:San Miguel (Ecuador)

I think we're going to need a disambig page for this. I can think of two other San Miguels-- the island and the town in central California... Is this San Miguel a well known place? (WT-en) Majnoona 11:30, 5 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * Currently, only Ecuador links to this article. Perhaps you can identify where the other articles should link from and then we can decide how to disambiguate them. At this time we might not need articles about the other San Miguels, but we should start thinking about them now, before someone rewrites the page. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:14, 6 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * All fixed. -- (WT-en) Colin 21:54, 28 June 2006 (EDT)

No WP link?
Check it out. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:26, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If I understand this correctly this is San Miguel de Cayapas, suggest moving the page to that name and adding more information on other San Miguel locations in Ecuador on the San Miguel page. --Traveler100 (talk) 05:31, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Feel free to plunge forward on this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:22, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

title: Talk:San Miguel (Ecuador)


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Talk:San Miguel (Quintana Roo)

Redirect
Two comments:

 * 1) This article should be named "San Miguel (Mexico)" since states aren't being used for disambiguation for Mexico.
 * 2) San Miguel is the only town on the island of Cozumel, so I think it would make sense to redirect this article to the island article - it's tough to imagine a need for both, since the portions of the island visited by tourists are relatively compact and limited to what is accessible by road.  Similarly, most restaurants are either in town or just outside of town.  Any objections?

-- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:19, 21 June 2011 (EDT)

 * A merge and redirect sounds totally appropriate to me. Most of the listings in the Cozumel article are probably in this town anyway. (WT-en) texugo 00:47, 22 June 2011 (EDT)

 * Done. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:42, 22 June 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:San Miguel de Allende

I don't know who contributed this information - it's very good, but I'd like to expand on it. If you'd like to collaborate with me or otherwise discuss it, please let me know - otherwise, I'll begin putting something together. - mike@jarvis.net

first-person
''I've moved this (useful and informative) contribution here for editing into our tone and style. I would also make a great post as-is in the forums on Wikivoyage Extra. (WT-en) Maj 15:23, 28 April 2007 (EDT) ''

I've traveled to San Miguel many, many times now, More often than not, I try to find a way to circumvent the bus system with some combination of planes and taxis. And more often than not, I find the planes and taxi process distasteful, and I wonder why I don't just take the bus to and from everything.

Let's be clear: if you've ever taken a Greyhound bus in the States, the bus networks throughout Mexico are NOT like that. Nor are they the chicken-coup jalopies many people envision when they think of a bus in Mexico. The lack of major airports throughout Mexico has profoundly affected the bus system here - there are dozens of private buslines, all highly-competitive, and the result is that most buses provide the accomodations you'd expect from business class airlines. Spacious, reclining seats, box lunches, potable water and coffee, clean bathrooms, and movies (usually in English or English-subtitled) are standard fare for most buses, and the price is about half or a quarter of what you'd expect from Greyhound.

Queretaro in particular has one of the largest bus hubs in Mexico, so flying into Queretaro will ensure you a quick bus to San Miguel (or anywhere in the region, for that matter). As of this writing, there is no direct bus route from Leon to San Miguel, but there are inexpensive shuttle services (around $30 American). Note that there are TWO bus depots in Mexico City: the Airport depot and the North depot.

You may also want to consider taking a bus from a much more distant starting point, like Cancun or a border town. I've done this several times, with varying degrees of enjoyment. (Bring a book - hours upon hours on one bus can wear you down.) I'd recommend against this journey if you're not a seasoned traveler or otherwise adventurous - such a trip will take you through portions of Mexico that haven't been carefully sanitized for Western sensibilities. I was once on a bus from Cancun to Queretaro that stopped for lunch at a hole-in-the-wall restaurant - chickens were literally roaming free around the tables while we ate their brothers and sisters. The good news: beside giving you a chance to see more of Mexico, a long bus ride can save you a tremendous amount of money. Especially during the Holidays, a plane to Houston and a bus from Houston to San Miguel can cost you a third the price of the same plane ticket going to Mexico City.

Yes, there are downsides. First of all, like a regular bus, frequent stops are the norm. A short hop trip, like a bus between Queretaro and San Miguel, may have zero or one stop, while a bus from Monterrey may have a half-dozen. Second, despite the competitive industry, you will occasionally find a bus that does something obnoxious like drive away without you. (I've had this happen only once to me.) And of course, there's the tragedy of having to "slum it" with the locals. But all in all, if you can get over yourself and your fear of buses, I think you'll find the bus system in Mexico infinitely more appealing than any other form of transportation.

--]Regarding the bus from Leon to San Miguel de Allende, yes, there is bus service! It's more of a local type bus, since the distance is so short, with none of the amenities you'd find on a first class or executive class bus.

On other thing worth mentioning is the large number of retirees. It was mentioned twice in the article but it bears mentioning again. The place is crawling with them! They've done their best (or worst, depending on your point of view) to Americanize SMdA, and I think the town has suffered because of it. I don't mean to scare anyone off, but be aware of what you're going to encounter. And the silver lining for those of you who don't speak Spanish is that many many people speak English. (Also, for this reason, I wouldn't pick SMdA as a place I'd go to learn Spanish.)

To counterbalance my warning of all the old American people, there is also a cool younger scene if you can find it. There's at least one "secret" club for the hipsters and fresas, if that's your scene.

San Miguel de Allende is certainly worth the visit.

Bus
From Leon is a local - it'll take about an hour and forty-five minutes, and the estancia is not at the airport but a $3 - 5 US cab from the airport, and the fare is about $4 US.

Buses from Laredo to Qto. take about 14 hours unless it's an express service. Houston to SMA has run me from 22 to 28 hours, so bring a book. And a sammich or 4. Toilets on busses (particularly in the 2d class) are often locked (reportedly for the exclusive use of the driver, although how remains a mystery). 98.198.232.146 04:14, 18 May 2010 (EDT)JC

This article seems to be more spam than useful information
A lot of "recommendations" for service providers and unneeded links. General things about the bus system in Mexico shouldn't be on an article about a specific town. —The preceding comment was added by 189.168.141.43 (talk • contribs)

 * Thanks for getting rid of some chaff. If you see more, please go ahead and delete or edit as appropriate. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:47, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Article status
This article seems very good to me. Shouldn't it already be called a Guide? Some geo remains to be done, especially in "Sleep". Once that's completed, is there anything else that's essential before a Destination of the Month/Off the Beaten Path nomination? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:12, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

 * I think it's very close. Atotonilco (a UNESCO site) and the springs should be expanded, and hotels need to be geotagged – something I'd intended to do some time ago but forgot about. I'll add it to my list. –StellarD (talk) 18:38, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

 * Great! Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:46, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Prices
Why are some of the prices in US dollars, rather than pesos? Is it usual for visitors to use dollars? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:11, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

title: Talk:San Miguel de Allende


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Talk:San Pedro de Atacama

Too many images
I vote for deletion of a few images o this page. Think it's too many. -- (WT-en) Fridday 16:49, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

 * I'm reminded of the joke about the fat man who insisted that he wasn't over-weight, he was "under-tall". I think the problem with this article isn't the number of photos, but the fact that there isn't a lot of text to go along with them.  If there were, it wouldn't look like "too many" images.  (We have quite a few articles with 4-5 images that are just fine that way.)  My suggested solution to that imbalance would be to add to the the text, rather than removing images. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 17:59, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

 * I don't think it meets the criterias of the image policy where it talks about the minimal use of images. My opinion is that the Valle de la Luna-image could stay and the others should go. I think this page is on the slippery slope to becoming a vacation photo gallery, as mentioned in the goals. -- (WT-en) Fridday 16:25, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

Imports from wikitravel
Just as a notice: the last edits I made on this page partially come from my own work on en.wikitravel.org. Valkyr (talk) 01:35, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Whipping this article into shape for OtBP
I see this article is classed as a Guide, but among other things, it needs lots more photos. It's shocking to read that it once may have had too many! I guess many of those photos had iffy copyright status or worse and didn't make the transition from WT to Commons during the fork.

What else do you see as needing improvement? This looks like a beautiful destination. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:48, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Answering my own question somewhat: I think the bulleted information in "See" may be structured in a good way to help travellers, but sections like "Eat" and "Drink" really require standard templated listings. The article seems pretty well written but may still need some copy editing and definitely needs to be checked for up-to-dateness. I added several thumbnails in "See." Please give your feedback below, and advice to editors who may be able to help improve this article, so we can nominate it for a feature. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:11, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

San Pedro vs. San Pedro de Atacama
This photo was not taken near the San Pedro this article is talking about. The photo was taken near the San Pedro at -21.943139,-68.543083. --Kabelleger (talk) 21:50, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:San Pedro la Laguna

Name: "de Laguna" or "la Laguna"
This town is known both as "San Pedro la Laguna" and "San Pedro de Laguna". Right now we have two articles, one for each name. That's confusing, so I'm going to consolidate them. Both articles are just outlines. Google reports twenty times as many hits on the name "San Pedro la Laguna" as "San Pedro de Laguna", so I'm putting the combined article under that name. I'll put a redirect from the "de" name to the "la" article. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 20:41, 19 November 2006 (EST)

Safety warnings overdone?
It's agreed that there are some great points listed here regarding things to "see" in San Pedro, but don't let the warnings listed below detract you from coming here. Great things to see WAY OUTNUMBER bad things that happen to the minority of visitors here. No disrespect to those who have had bad experiences, but I was robbed at gunpoint in a nice neighborhood in Seattle, WA, USA and I NEVER see any warnings about walking around that location. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 67.142.130.33 (talk • contribs) 21:43, 2007 August 27
 * [the above comment placed in the article, when it really belongs in the Talk page. I moved it here. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 00:39, 29 August 2007 (EDT)]

Gringo tax is not racist and Rumors of the New San Pedro
I too used to get angry when prices were marked up for me as a tourist because of the ideals of equality we are taught in developed nations. I wanted to be treated equally. Then I thought about it from a larger perspective and realized that global inequality is racism. People from the US and Europe have dramatically more access to money, especially those traveling, few people from Guatemala and other Central American countries, for example, have the money to travel for pleasure or education. Because we have so much more money than the host population we should be expected to pay more for basic services, it is just pennies to us for an amazing boat ride that is itself a luxury but to the average Guatemalan it would hold much more wieght. Furthermore, the US is responsible for much of the poverty in Guatemala and thus the cheap prices that we enjoy there so please don't complain about racism and try to learn something from the people of San Pedro and the rest of Guatemala: humility, it's not a bad thing.

I myself have not been to San Pedro in several years but recomended the spot to a friend as a great spot to get off the tourist trail to study Spanish. Hearing her description of the place sounded nothing like the place I remember. It is firmly on the tourist trail now. Tourism by itself doesn't bother me but the cultural insensitivity that often comes along with it does. It sounds like young travelers who are interested in little more than filling their minds with different chemicals now fill the streets and the new forgien owned bars and hostels. This would not bother me in the capital or other cities where there is a large percentage of Guatemalans getting high but it pisses me off to hear what has become of San Pedro. Everyone I met when I was there was very proud of their culture and traditions and drugs were part of niether. The people I met were so friendly and had much to teach an open minded traveler but it sounds like tourism in San Pedro (as well as most tourism that I've seen) has taught them much more about Gringo culture than the gringos have learned about their culture. Even if the locals are still opposed to the drugs (as I'm sure most are) they are not in a position to get rid of it because that would mean a plunge in tourist dollars and they need as many as they can get.

On a related but different note, when in San Pedro please support localy owned and oporated buisnesses as much as possible because it puts the money in the hands of people who need it more and who are going to be better "recyclers," getting a higher percentage of the money to people who really need it.

"Town website"
"The town website is http://www.tzununya.com/ Tzunun Ya'.com", according to an edit on 18:00, 2008 September 9 by User:190.148.99.108. This site looks to me like a well-intentioned private venture, not an official site run by the city government or tourist board. Thus I think it doesn't qualify under the Project:External links policy. Wikivoyage has problems in other articles with multiple private sites claiming to be the "town website". They are hard to referee. I'm putting the URL here, though. If there's good Eat, Sleep, Drink, etc. listings on tzununya.com, let's push them through to this article. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 10:50, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Lead Photo San Pedro Dock
This is not a photo of San Pedro, but rather the dock in Santiago Atitlan.

The picture of Santiago Atitlan docks has been moved now to the corresponding page, and a recent photo of San Pedro La Laguna was placed instead.

El Colibri
It seems that the "Art Café El Colibri" is a too much advertised, maybe be by the owner? I never been to San Pedro, it would be nice if someone who know the place could help. Freayd (talk) 20:35, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It's incorrectly present in Do, Eat and Drink section. The listing under the Do section also tells about accommodations (as it is said on their website). I guess the establishment should be either listed under Eat (if it's mainly known as a restaurant+bar) or Sleep (if it's mainly known as a hotel - maybe not, they apparently have only three rooms according to the website).
 * The content under the Do section is written in a promotional way. I suggest to keep the content of the Eat or Drink section (identical text).

title: Talk:San Pedro la Laguna


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Talk:San Pedro Sula

Undoing of good copy-editing and un-detouting
User 190.92.46.133, why did you un-detout and restore erroneous copy that I edited? You don't understand what touting is in the context of Wikivoyage. Read this: http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Don't_tout In particular, consider this:

"Wikivoyage specifically strives to avoid being an `advertising brochure' for any business, city, or service. Business employees, like everyone, are welcome to add information to Wikivoyage, but we're making a travel guide, not a business brochure. Our tone should reflect this, so please don't tout in your writing, and don't use Wikivoyage as a tool for advertising."

But at least if you're going to restore advertising copy to this page - which has to be redeleted - would you please refrain from restoring misspelled words, uncapitalized beginnings of sentences, etc.?

I will endeavor to restore my good edits. Do not revert them without coming to this page and giving a good explanation for why you are doing so. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 23:15, 7 February 2011 (EST)

Reply
Hi, (WT-en) Ikan Kekek. I appreciate your concerns and I also thank you for helping to copy-edit and de-tout the listing I added. We're not all endowed with your uncanny level of speaking the english language; most people on earth actually don't consider English to be their mother-tongue. We need people like you to fix what we write (hence, the beauty of a wiki!).

As for touting, that wasn't meant to be the intention, and that guest house is run by a lovely couple, some friends of mine who really don't have any sense of advertising outside of Honduras. I took some initiative to try to get them listed here because their guesthouse should be visited by more foreigners. Is that not the idea of Wikivoyage, to collectively expand the world's shared travel knowledge?

Thanks, Ikan. 190.92.46.245 14:50, 10 February 2011 (EST)

 * Hi. I'm guessing you also used the IP 190.92.46.133? Anyway, yes, I certainly agree that collectively expanding shared knowledge that's useful to travelers is what this site is all about, and I appreciate your reply. But I'll give you examples of language that I consider to be at least relatively uninformative or unnecessary and to constitute advertising. Some are more obvious than others.

"[Name] is a new concept in boutique hotels in Honduras" [No further explanation of what that would mean]

"You would enjoy comfort, peace, and all your senses will be overwhelmed." [Pretty extreme claims about how everyone you don't know would react. Better to tone it down and just mention that the setting is very peaceful and pleasant, etc.]

"You are not a guest, but a friend." [No, you are a paying guest. If the management is very friendly, though, that can be mentioned.]

"The friendly staff will make sure your stay is an enjoyable one." [Maybe they will, but that reads too much like ad copy, so it's better to merely state that the staff is friendly and helpful.]

"A central location and are yet removed from the city center." [What does that mean? It sounds contradictory.]

"The hotels central location makes it a good choice when visiting San Pedro Sula." [Just mention the location and let readers make up their minds accordingly.]

Another problem is that any listing that includes "we" is not OK, because aside from reading like advertising, it takes unwarranted ownership of the article, and all of these articles are subject to collective authorship, as you state. "We" would have to constitute a consensus of all past, current, and future authors, and since that's not possible, first-person language should never be used in these types of articles. So you can see why I deleted an entry that included all of this:

"We're a small, new, relaxing guesthouse in San Pedro Sula, Honduras. We're dedicated to showing you a completely different side of San Pedro Sula: clean, fresh, safe, and with a view to write home about! Come have a drink on our terrace facing the Merendon mountain range, home of Cusuco national park, and enjoy the best Honduras has to offer."

Does that not read like a brochure from the guesthouse? It may be a great guesthouse, but an entry in a guidebook has to read quite differently from a brochure.

All the best,

(WT-en) Ikan Kekek 01:05, 11 February 2011 (EST)

 * Hi (WT-en) Ikan Kekek,

I'm not 100% sure which IP address was logged, and when...I don't have an account on WikiTravel, although I should make one.

Actually, I agree with you 100% on all of those items you've listed above. You might have me confused with another editor; the only one of those listed I placed in the San Pedro Sula page was the "We're a small" guesthouse...and after seeing your comments, I agree: it shouldn't include "We," and that does read like a brochure.

Those other comments were likely just hotel owners here in San Pedro Sula; the properties are definitely relevant to the listing but should be cleaned up...as you've said, "...is a new concept in boutique hotels in Honduras" is one of the most generic marketing terms I've ever heard of. That other comment, "A central location and are yet removed from the city center" is again most likely a native Spanish speaker's attempts here in Honduras to speak English in an advanced way.

Keep up your good work and let me know if there's any way I can help; the articles on Honduras are not particularly thorough outside of San Pedro Sula and could definitely use some work.

--Bobby 190.92.46.184 10:46, 16 February 2011 (EST)

 * Time allowing, just plunge forward! Whatever you post is subject to editing, anyway, so don't worry too much about things not being perfect. The important thing is putting the content out there.

All the best,

(WT-en) Ikan Kekek 01:03, 17 February 2011 (EST)

title: Talk:San Pedro Sula


text:
Talk:San Rafael (Algarve)

I moved this stub from a paragraph on the Algarve page. I'm not 100% sure it's a region; I just kinda copied the info over and hope for more precision later. --(WT-en) Evan 01:16, 13 Apr 2004 (EDT)

title: Talk:San Rafael (Algarve)


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Talk:San Salvador

I moved this article from San Salvador city to San Salvador because San Salvador city was an orphaned page and not linked into the wiki, because it had been created from Main Page, in violation of conventions, and hence removed from there. Also San Salvador is the most common English name and follows the Project:Article naming conventions. If there is a need to disambiguate the city from it's department then the page should move to San Salvador (city), once the department article is written and San Salvador will need to become a disambiguation page. -- (WT-en) Huttite 00:39, 3 Jul 2005 (EDT)

A bit over the top?
Does anybody else find the language in this artcle to be just a little too breathless? Aren't there some other great cities in Central America? I do really appreciate that somebody has contributed this article, but maybe some editor would like to tone it down a bit... ;)

I'd also like to have some listings, especially for those wonderful hotels and restaurants. -- (WT-en) Mark 11:25, 3 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * Agreed. --(WT-en) Evan 12:28, 3 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * There's a first stab at copyediting, rearranging things a bit to use the Project:Big city article template and toning down a few paragraphs. I didn't read through the whole article, so anyone else who wants to have a go at some of the other sections, dive in. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 22:00, 3 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Aquarium
Donde encontraron la informacion del acuario? de verdad se va hacer?

Where did you find the info on the aquarium? I wanna know more about it.

Just a small comment about the satellite photo
Only one little thing: I think that the photo is reversed (the city is at the left of the lake - that would be Ilopango lake)...

 * Isn't the ocean south of the country though?

 * Ohh I get it now... I'll fix it. (WT-en) Guanaco152003 23:43, 3 June 2006 (EDT)

El YUCKO!
If the best advice on budget eats is greasy gross fast food pits, I think I'd rather starve to death than endure a trip to this city. Surely there must be some good, enticing LOCALLY owned restaurants with genuine Central American flavors and colors that offer better quality, an authentic TRAVEL experience, *AND* low prices. Lord knows I find them everywhere else in Latin America!! (WT-en) Mrkstvns 21:00, 7 May 2008 (CDT)

Supermarkets and Retail Stores
There was a list of supermarkets and other retail stores in the 'splurge' category of 'eat'. It didnt seem to fit, so I made a category under 'buy', and moved the list. (WT-en) TomNativenewYorker 07:39, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

phone number format
For Comfort Lines entry is the phone number +503 2241-8713/14 one number or two options? --Traveler100 (talk) 07:31, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

title: Talk:San Salvador


text:
Talk:San Sebastián

initial discussion
I just filled in some bits about San Sebastian and I am going to be there soon and hopefully I come home with some nice pics as well. I knew that San Sebastian was a posh City, but I was truly surprised to see that a place of this size could have so many expensive restaurants. There you go. User:(WT-en) JensANDMarian

Hey, nice start, but I'm concerned about the restaurants-- I fixed some of the format, but they look like they were just cut&pasted from another site which is probably a copyright violation. Restaurants also need to be a selection-- not just a yellowpages. Imagine if you had a friends going and you wanted to tell them 2-3 places to try. We dont just want to recreate the Mitchelin guide... You might also want to check out the Project:Manual of style for formatting tips. thanks! (WT-en) Majnoona 14:52, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Hi Maj,

I moved the travel hub comment about Vitoria to Bilbao, because Bilbao would do a better job instead. Vitoria's airport has no major connection to European airports, Bus station in Vitoria is smaller than the one in Bilbao ..... User:(WT-en) JensANDMarian

 * Hmm, we were kinda stuck in Biblao and had to take a bus to Vitoria to get a train, but maybe it was just us... we had a real hard time gettin out of Basque country and back to Portugal, but there was some sort of strike going on too... anyone have another opinion of where the "travel hup" is? I guess airport-wise, Bilboa is the clear choice.... and I'm still worried about the copyright-ness of the restaurants and hotels-- can you tell us your source (personal experience)? thnx! (WT-en) Majnoona 01:34, 6 Oct 2004 (EDT)

sources for further research

 * http://maribelsguides.com/mg_sansebastian.pdf --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:59, 18 November 2007 (EST)

Tour
Here's the text of a guided tour for mining. Tons of great info, just not in our style and format.

FIRST STAGE : Between the Boulevard and the San Telmo Museum 1• The "Centro de Atracción y Turismo" Starting point for the tour. We are generally known by our Spanish initials: CAT (Centro de Atracción y Turismo). Apart from organizing festivals and promoting the city, we house the City’s Tourist Information Office. If you have any doubts or necessities, come and ask us! 2• Brecha Market

The facade of this century-old establishment can be seen from the Boulevard. What was once a traditional market is now a shopping and entertainment centre, occupying the so-called Brecha, the old fish market and the space connecting the two. Along with new shopping possibilities, fresh local products are still available. You may wonder why it is called “Brecha”. The reason is that this is the point in the old city wall where the Anglo-Portuguese artillery opened up a breach (brecha) during the 1813 siege. Enter the Brecha Market

3• Boulevard

Donostia was a fortified city until 1862, when permission was given to knock down the old walls. Local controversy broke out between the “pro-boulevard” and “anti-boulevard” parties; that is, between those in favour of leaving an open space between the Old Part and the “Ensanche” (the new city extension designed by Antonio Cortázar) and those who argued that the new blocks should be built without leaving open spaces. Fortunately the former won and today we may enjoy the Alameda del Boulevard, which as a result of its recent facelift is now a pleasant pedestrian-only area ideal for strolling, sitting on one of the many benches, listening to music from the bandstand or meeting up with friends before heading to the Old Quarter.

Take bus number 28 to the Anoeta Municipal Sports Centre and the Illumbe Entertainment Centre and Bullring. You can also get off the bus next to the Miramón Technology Park, home of the "KutxaEspacio de la Ciencia" – the city's latest experience in science. 4• Narrica Street We enter the old part of the city which the Donostiarras (citizens of San Sebastian) refer to as Alde Zaharra or Parte Vieja (the “Old Part”). It is a pedestrian precinct full of local character.

Look at the bust in the space to your right. This is Sarriegi square and the statute renders a tribute to the composer of the famous Tamborrada music, Raimund Sarriegi. Walk along the first street you come to, Fermín Calbetón. It is swarming with pubs. Submerge into the world of “txikiteo”, the local variety of the English pub crawl. You may not be able to resist the temptation of having a “zurito”(mini beer) or a “pintxo” (irresistible morsels of food). 5• Constitución Square The “Consti” is one of our most charming spots. It is situated in the heart of the Old Part. It has a Neo-Classical central building on the facade of which you will find the City Arms. It first housed the old City Hall and later the City Library, which now holds the historical archives. Visit the “Consti” in the daytime and look for the numbers on the balconies, a souvenir of the times in which the square was used as a bullring and its balconies rented out as boxes.

Make yourself comfortable at one of the terrace bars on a clear night and gaze at the magic of the chiaroscuro effects of its porches. Come in December, the festival of Santo Tomás, and smell the “txistorra” sausage. Try and enter the square on the 20th January, festivity of San Sebastian, and discover that the inhabitants of Donostia also know how to enjoy themselves. 6• San Vicente Church The City’s oldest standing monument can be seen at one end of Narrika street. Built above a former one, this church was constructed in the XVIth Century in Gothic style. Pay attention to the sentences carved into its walls: “He who swears will suffer harm and sores in the home”. Also take a look at Oteiza's sculpture "La Piedad" on the atrium wall, and the polychrome portal which went unseen for years.

Enter San Vicente church and admire the fine altarpieces and the Ecce Homo figure.

7• San Telmo Museum To the right of the square that is dedicated to painter Ignacio Zuloaga is the neo-Rennaissance fachade of San Telmo Museum. Originally a Dominican Convent, it was built at one end of the old city in the XVIth Century. It was later used as an artillary barracks before becoming a museum.

Visit San Telmo, which is being converted into the Basque Culture Museum. Apart from taking in its ethnographical and pictorical collections as well as its temporary exhibitions and new museum-oriented proposals, do not miss the fine, recently refurbished Cloister declared a National Monument and the impressive Josep Maria Sert paintings covering the walls of the old church.

By way of the steps that rise up at the far end of Zuloaga square, you can climb the monte Urgull. You will come across lovely gardens and interesting spots such as the English Cemetery and the fortifications. You will reach a castle -Castillo de la Mota- upon which stands the thirty-metre high Sagrado Corazón (Holy Heart) monument.

Reach the Paseo Nuevo -the sea front- and make your way along it to the left, bordering the edge of monte Urgull, until you reach the Aquarium and Port area.

SECOND STAGE: FROM SAN TELMO MUSEUM TO THE CITY HALL 8• 31 de agosto Street A survivor. On August 31st 1813 San Sebastian was in the hands of the French when Anglo-Portuguese troops arrived to free the city. Unfortunately the so-called liberators ended up sacking and burning the city. Only the churches of San Vicente and Santa Maria and some of the houses on the street that links them, were left standing. That’s why this street’s balconies are lit up with candles every 31st August, this commemorating the fire and the firm will of the Donostiarras to rebuild their devastated city.

Enter the Trinidad Plaza, an area where Basque sports are played and where the Jazz Festival booms out in July. 9• Santa María del Coro Basilica Although of earlier origin, the present building dates back to the XVIIIth Century and has Gothic and Neo-Classical features as well as ones recalling Churriguera. Saint Sebastian is present in two works: a sculpture on the facade and a painting by Boccia, at the altar, which is presided over by Our Lady of Coro, the city's patron saint.

Legend has it that the small sculpture of the black Virgin used to be in the church's choir. However, a priest who was tired of having to climb up so many stairs to worship her, tried to make off with her under his cassock. On approaching the door, he was struck with paralysis and unable to proceed. As a result of this incident, the image of the Virgin was placed on the high altar. On August 14th the Basilica leaves its doors wide open to accommodate the flood of worshippers who come to the traditional salve, a ceremony at which the Orfeon Donostiarra choir sing.

Enter the Basilica and salute Our Lady of Coro.

10• Gaztelubide If you go up the steps at the portico of Santa Maria, before you reach the port you will go past Gaztelubide, one of the many popular Donostiarra societies. These are clubs -sometimes exclusively for men- where supper parties, “Tamborradas” and other varied activities are organized. At midnight on the night of 14th-15th August, the Gaztelubide chorus comes out to the entrance of the club and signs the song “Festara!” (To the festival!), a song to rally all and sundry to the festivities.

11• El Paseo de los Curas Do not be overawed by the steepness of the steps! You will soon reach a pleasant tree-lined walk on the slopes of Urgull, along which priests used to stroll as they read their breviaries. There is a splendid vantage point over the city, the port and the bay. It is a quiet spot throughout the year except for two September Sundays, when the trainera rowing regattas are held.

You may also choose to climb the monte Urgull this way, and make your way up to the Castillo de la Mota.

12• Aquarium The Gipuzkoa Oceanography Society’s Sea Palace, is a must for any visitor. The oceanarium aquarium, a huge tank with a multitude of marine life species - which can be seen from inside an acrylic tunnel – a hands-on aquarium and new species have all been added to other previously existing elements such as the skeleton of a whale captured on the Gipuzkoan coast last century. Sharks Txuri and Urdin are the aquarium's most popular residents.

Don’t tell me you’ll be leaving Donostia without seeing the Aquarium! Be careful of the sharks! You can follow the Paseo Nuevo back in the opposite direction to that proposed at Zuloaga square.

13• The Naval Museum - El Museo Naval It's to be found in the Port, in the old Consular Warehouse that was used by Donostia merchants and seamen alike. Come into the Naval Museum. This centre, recently inaugurated by the Gipuzkoa Provincial Council, proposes taking a journey to understand the relationship between the Basque people and the sea.

14• The Port Although pleasure craft have largely taken over from the fishing boats, the Port -generally known as the “muelle”or “kaia”- speaks of the importance of the sea in the history of San Sebastian from the times of the Real Compañía Guipuzcoana de Caracas. As you try some “karrakela” sea snails or some “kiskilla” shrimps, keep an eye out for the austere monument in memory of Mari, a local hero who died while saving the lives of the victims of a shipwreck. Let your eyes be rocked by the sight of the boats anchored in the harbour or gaze at the picturesque row of multicoloured dwellings above the porches. Maybe it’s time to buy a souvenir.

Embark on the “Ciudad de San Sebastian”, a boat that takes you for a ride along the San Sebastian coastline, or on the blue boats that go across to the pretty island of Santa Clara in the centre of the bay. 15• Puerto Street After passing through the Portaletas door, the street is crossed by two more porches: that of Campanario street -that cuts across it and on the railings of which one may see the initials of San Sebastian- and, further on, the porch which is one of the ways into the Constitución square.

15• Calle Mayor (Main Street) Notice the perspective of this axis, with a temple at either end: behind you, the Basilica of Santa Maria, and at the far end, the Buen Pastor Cathedral. Have a quick look at the Teatro Principal-Antzoki Zaharra programme. This municipal hall stages drama, film cycles and events such as the Fantastic and Horror Film Week or step inside the Kursaal Casino. 16• The City Hall Placed between the Boulevard, the Old Part, the Nautical Club and the Alderdi-Eder gardens, the City Hall is one of the most characteristic buildings in Donostia. It was inaugurated in 1887 as a Grand Casino. Its posh halls were frequented by Europe’s privileged classes during the “Belle Epoque” period at the turn of the Century. After the ban on betting, the splendid building was finally converted into the City Hall. Take the touristic “Txu-txu Train” from near the City Hall.

THIRD STAGE: FROM CITY HALL TO MARIA CRISTINA BRIDGE  17• Goikoa Palace

Until recently this Classical building was the headquarters of the Military Government. It has now been done up to cater for exhibitions and incorporate municipal offices.

18• The Royal Nautical Club

Like a vessel at its moorings, this 1929 construction is a unique example of rationalist architecture. Architect José Manuel Aizpurua was 27 years old when he designed it with Joaquin Labayen.

Take a look at the Nautical Club’s landing stage and let yourself be inspired by the breeze off the Concha bay waters.

19• The Alderdi-Eder Gardens Alderdi-Eder can be translated as “pretty place”. It is indeed. Take a look at the bay or at the City Hall’s impressive facade. It is here that thousands of children line up to participate in the children’s “Tamborrada” parade every 20th January. An elegant carrousel takes us back to bygone days.

It is from here, too, that they let off the deafening fireworks which light up the bay during Semana Grande nights. Those funny trees are tamarisks, though people wrongly call them tamarinds - “tamarindos”. It is a kind of tree that forms part of the Donostia scenery, being rather dishevelled though hardy enough to stand the coastal climate. It may have been in this spot that the poet Gabriel Celeaya evoked “This open city, purely conceived./ This city that was not granted, simply being human. / This city that always shunned its walls/ and which accepts all, being pretty for the hell of it.”

20• Hotel de Londres Its stately light-coloured fachade and its dome stand out at the beginning of the Concha. Before reaching the hotel, Cervantes square brings to mind the writer by way of the reproduction of the figures of Don Quixot and Sancho Panza, the originals of which are in Madrid’s Plaza España.

Go down to the Concha beach taking the first ramp. It has two striking lamps on either side. Take an envigorating walk along the edge of the bay.

On the Paseo de la Concha you will be able to overlook the beach by standing at the typical white railings. You will come across several buildings which date back to the times when Donostia was a sea resort: its famous clocks, the old Perla del Océano (Ocean Pearl) or the old Casa Real de Baños (Royal Bathing House).

Treat yourself to a session at Termas la Perla, the only a seawater spa in the city. If you keep walking along Paseo Miraconcha you will reach the Miramar Palace, a stately home that the Regent Queen Maria Cristina had built in English style. Juan Carlos I studied there when he was a young prince. Today it is the headquarters of the University of the Basque Country and Eusko Ikaskuntza-Basque Studies Society summer courses. Leaving the Antiguo district to one side, go on to Ondarreta beach and keep going until you reach the Peine del Viento (Wind Comb).

The sight of the waves crashing against Eduardo Chillida’s sculpture ensemble is hard to forget. If you still want more action, look for the station of the old funicular that runs up to the summit of monte Igeldo, where there is a charming fun fair.

21• Avenue de la Libertad The city’s business and banking centre. Donostiarra citizens call this avenue “la Avenida” -tout court- though it has also been known as “Avenida de España” and “Queen’s Avenue”, for the spanish Queen Isabel II passed along this avenue on her way from the Concha to the Estación del Norte when going into exile in France after being forced to abdicate during the 1868 Revolution.

22• Loiola Street This pedestrian street leads to the Buen Pastor Cathedral, and is dedicated to Saint Ignatius of Loyola, founder of the Company of Jesus.

Enter the busy and aromatic Market of San Martin. 23• The Buen Pastor Cathedral Its 75-metre spire is visible from many points in the city. Like so many other Donostia buildings, it was built with stone from the Igeldo quarries. We invite you to make your way round the Neo-Gothic Germanic-looking temple, which is surrounded by a square with lovely gardens.

On the right, in San Bartolmé Street, you may take a number 19 city bus to the Palace of Aiete. It was here that Maria Cristina spent her summer holidays until Miramar Palace was completed. Dictator Francisco Franco also resided here temporarily and held Cabinet Meetings in the palace, which is surrounded by ample gardens.

24• The Koldo Mitxelena Centre and Post Office building These are two impressive buildings of a monumental nature that stand at the rear end of the Buen Pastor square. The one on the right is the Koldo Mitxelena Cultural Centre - KM Kulturunea and, to its left, the central Post Office building.

Go into the KM Kulturunea, the Gipuzkoa Provincial Council’s cultural centre, to visit its exhibitions or look for a book you have been after in the library. 25• Bilbao Square A car-free area pedestrians will enjoy. If you go along Alfonso VIII street, you will reach this round square that is refreshed by a fountain. What is known as the “pedestrian axis” leads off to the left, communicating with the Boulevard by way of Getaria and Churruca streets, Gipuzkoa square and Elkano. We will continue along here at a further point on the tour.

Now cross the pedestrain axis as far as the Boulevard.

Turn left into Prim street. As you walk along this street, look at the smart early XXth Century facades and entrance porches, with their endless ornaments of Art Nouveau inspiration. Pay special attention to numbers 17 and 28. If you follow this street (bearing the name of General Prim) as far as the end, you can turn sharp left when you reach the park called Araba, and walk back along Arbol de Gernika, an avenue which skirts the river. 26• María Cristina Bridge This profusely decorated bridge is probably the most attractive one over the river Urumea. It leads to the Estacion del Norte (San Sebastian’s station). The ensemble is unique, featuring small dragons, maritime scenes, coats of arms (those of Donostia and the old Gipuzkoan one), with four sculptural groups built upon four shrines inspired by the Alexander III bridge in Paris. Cross the bridge.

FOURTH STAGE: FROM MARIA CRISTINA BRIDGE TO KURSAAL

27• Main train Station The Madrid-Paris line has passed through this station since 1864. Incidentally, the canopy over the platforms was designed by Gustave Eiffel, the father of the famous Tower in Paris.

Cross the railway lines by way of the subway or the footbridge. Enter the Cristina-Enea park at the foot of the district of Egia. It is a romantic wood inhabited by peacocks given to the city by the Duke of Mandas.

28• France Avenue Romantic Donostia overlooks the river. Seven French-style stately homes and the waters of the Urumea give this peaceful area its special character. From here you can see the buildings of the Paseo de los Fueros on the other bank. Try and imagine the times when the river had no embankments and most of the present city area was made up of sandbanks and marshland.

From the end of the avenue you will see the white building of La Equitativa, a leading exponent architecture from the 30’s.

Do you feel like a stroll around Gros district?

29• Santa Catalina Bridge

30• Avenue de la Libertad One may already find references to the existence of a wooden bridge that crossed the Urumea here in the XIVth Century.

After much transformation, the austere Santa Catalina bridge continues to be the main artery joining the two banks. We once again reach the Avenida (Avenue), a street lined with banks and newsstands.

Before turning into Churruca street, take a look at the house on the opposite corner. Number 21, the one where the Banco Guipuzcoano is, stands out for its richly ornamented architecture.

31• The County Council’s Palace Take the pedestrian way that leads form Plaza Bilbao along this street dedicated to Cosme Damian de Churruca, an explorer killed at the battle of Trafalgar. Since 1885 the County Council has had its headquarters in this Neo-Classical building overlooking Gipukoa square. If you look up, you’ll see the busts of five famous sailors and conquerors that are commemorated on its fachade.

32• Gipuzkoa Square Fernando Savater once wrote that he would wait for the Last Judgement sitting quietly on one of the square’s benches. Many Donostiarras have childhood memories associated with the square. We ran through the gardens here, we hid under its arches, we fed the ducks in the pond, we learnt how to tell the time on the garden clock, we admired the traditional crib installed here and tried to take readings at its elegant monumental metereological station. Under the stony gaze of José María Usandizaga, author of “Las golondrinas” and “Mendi mendiyan”, young generations of Donostiarras continue to enjoy the same pleasures offered by these gardens as we did. 33• Okendo Gardens The statue of Admiral Antonio de Okendo is made of bronze cannons that were used during his feats. The admiral looks out over the river in a space flanked by two characteristic buildings: the Maria Cristina Hotel and the Victoria Eugenia Theatre, both of which built in 1912.

34• María Cristina Hotel French archictect, Charles Mewes, author of the Ritz hotels in Paris and Madrid, designed this luxury hotel complex. The Maria Cristina’s five stars multiply every month of September when the great figures invited to the International Film Festival are invited to stay its suites. Bette Davis made here her last public appearance. Bullet holes on the hotel walls are a reminder of the Civil War

35• Victoria Eugenia Theatre The municipal theatre is the home of “glamour”. The major events of Donostia’s cultural life have been acted out in this unique Neo-Plateresque style building. Greatmusicians invited to the Musical Fortnight have played on its stage and the most popular of film stars have been applauded in its boxes during the Zinemaldia - International Film Festival. Some of the events previously held at the theatre have now been moved to the nearby Kursaal Convention Centre.

36• Zurriola Bridge Also known as the “Kursaal” bridge, its original lamps of expressionist and futuristic style light up the mouth of the Urumea with character.

37• Kursaal Convention Centre Built on the site of the old Kursaal Casino, this new hub of San Sebastian cultural life boasts an Auditorium, a Congress Hall and several halls for congresses and exhibitions. Over 10,000 translucent glass panels cover the cubes designed by Rafael Moneo. They are like stranded rocks. It is Donostia’s tribute to the future. 38• Zurriola Beach Our tour ends beside the Kursaal, at the end of the avenue named after former Basque President, Jesus Maria de Leizaola. Here we can breathe in deeply, enjoying the view of the Urumea’s mouth, the architectural Kursaal blocks, the sea crashing against the pier and Gros Beach -also known as Zurriola Beach-.

Walk along the Zurriola avenue along this side of Donostia’s sea front until you reach Sagües district.

Wander aimlessly through the streets and discover your own version of Donostia.

 * Can we use this text as a draft for itinerary? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 06:39, 13 January 2008 (EST)

towards clarity in pintxos to order
I plunged forward to re-edit this piece:

>Some slightly pricier pintxo bars that do all pintxos to order and have correspondingly higher quality are:

Aiming for more clarity for non-native speaker, I tried the following:

> Some slightly pricier pintxo bars that don't have pre-cooked pintxos and only cook them on order (correspondingly, their pintxo are of higher quality) are:

Does it reflect the original meaning? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 04:30, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

how pintxos are different from other cities
''> The way to eat pintxos, ... in San Sebastian is quite different from other cities in Spain''

Is it actually specific to San Sebastian? In my experience, pintxos and customs about them are quite the same around the Basque Country (I had a chance to compare San Sebastian with Hondarribia, and the guidebooks I've read say quite the same). Rjk, what do you think about moving most of Pintxos section to Basque Country? I can try to do it myself if you like it. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 05:59, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Random stuff
“The quaint coastal town flourishing with Spanish traditions."

Why should a group of foreign exchange students go to San Sebastian? to go to the discotecas of course. and maybe a little partying on the beach. Yes, yes but don't other cities in Spain have that? i guess, but those cities are bogged down by the everyday tourist and those catering to them san sebastian offers a true look at hispanic culture without the fog of incessant obnoxious tourists if you click on recent changes on the left margin, all of these appear..maybe this is meant to be in the "discussion section" —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Texugo (talk • contribs)

 * Where does it come from? What's the point of this? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 13:05, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

shoe store with window changing daily
> There are fantastic shoe stores--I remember one in particular whose rainbow of amazing women's shoes in the window changed daily--and sources for that inimitable bold Spanish fashion.

Can someone help to identify which store is this piece about? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:57, 18 November 2007 (EST)

Hotels
Surprised to see a Mercure listed as a "Splurge" hotel, as its one of Accor's Middle of the Road brands .... ? (WT-en) Marcfarrow 13:49, 24 January 2010 (EST)

 * If you are convinced it is in the wrong category, please plunge forward and move it yourself, (WT-en) ClausHansen 15:43, 24 January 2010 (EST)

title: Talk:San Sebastián


text:
Wikivoyage talk:Joke articles/San Serriffe

I thought San Serriffe was destroyed in the Great Snow Storm of 2005. Can someone check on this for me? (WT-en) Sapphire 05:27, 1 April 2006 (EST)
 * Partly, yes. Didn't you donate to the Untied Nations effort for reconstruction? --(WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 07:13, 1 April 2006 (EST)

Talk section
Shouldn't we tone down "kindergarteners on crack stringing together letters plucked at random out of alphabet soup" within the Talk section. I mean, this seems like its a little heavy of an opinion... Is it that difficult? -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 10:33, 1 April 2006 (EST)

 * Dksyjrt soqq, liems !oaWdix Campbell's ejwrhe zs'dopl. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 14:00, 1 April 2006 (EST)

Minor error
de facto Parliamentary Republic, really a strongman state that should be "de jure". De facto refers to the actual state of something, which "really a strongman state" indicates is clearly not the case. De jure means the legal status 65.28.69.57 19:52, 18 November 2007 (EST)

Excuse me, but...
May I ask why the core concept of this has not been properly attributed to the London Guardian, who first wrote about this supposed island nation back in the 1970s as an April 1 joke on its readers? Creative Commons is one thing, but to claim ownership over something that you did not write is just poor form. (See link: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/Hoaxipedia/San_Serriffe/) -- Sean Martin

 * I guess on the day, it may have detracted from the joke, but I would agree with you adding the appropriate info to this now-defunct article. --(WT-en) inas 21:21, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

 * A link to the Guardian is present in the first line of the article, as it has been since the day it was created. - (WT-en) Dguillaime 21:22, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

Mph..
You forgot the city of Helvetica! IllogicMink (talk) 06:47, 5 June 2015 (UTC)