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Talk:Guatemala

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Deletions by anonymous editor 68.212.161.142 on 9 Jan 2006?
On 23:06, 9 Jan 2006, anonymous editor 68.212.161.142 deleted several sections of the Guatemala page:
 * When to go
 * Get in
 * Get around
 * Talk
 * Buy
 * Eat

I agree that a lot of the content there could stand to be improved, but I'm not comfortable with deleting all the existing content and not providing any improved replacement. I'm reverting these deletions. Anonymous editor, I welcome your participation, but I'd appreciate it if you post a note here telling what content you'd like to provide to move this article forward. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 02:37, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * I rolled it back. Nice catch! --(WT-en) Evan 02:39, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

Guatemala
Anyone object to the deletion of this section and all its contents?

Testing Quickbar
Should the sandbox type testing or the quickbar be a part of this article? Or should it be deleted or moved elsewhere? - (WT-en) Aditya Kabir 03:17, 18 November 2006 (EST)

 * Can you clarify what you're referring to? The quickbar in this article looks fine to me. -- (WT-en) Ryan 03:19, 18 November 2006 (EST)

Volcanoes?
Are we really going to do travel guides for each of these volcanoes? I think for ones that you actually camp on, etc., it would make sense, but otherwise they should be covered in the guides for nearby towns or regions. --(WT-en) evanp 17:13, 14 January 2007 (EST)

Murder rate
Should the article say that travel is strongly discouraged? What is that based on? The US State Department doesn't put Guatemala on it's travel warning list, neither does the UK, Canada or Australia. Should there be a report on the murder rate in the Stay Safe section?

On 18:50, 2007 January 15, 70.56.84.31 added the following statement to the Stay Safe section:
 * The Inter-American Commission on Human Rights reported last year that Guatemala had the highest murder rate in all of Latin America, with 70 homicides per 100,000 population. In Guatemala the murder rate is 20 times higher than in Seattle, and thirteen and a half times higher than the greater New York area.

Later that day, (WT-en) Nskinn revised the text slightly and added references. Shortly after that, (WT-en) Cjensen removed the references with the comment, "Remove references. Thanks for them -- but we don't need them unless it's on a talk page to resolve a dispute."
 * for the Guatemala homicide rate, http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=34743 . As of Feb 11, 2007, this article includes the text, "The Inter-American Commission on Human Rights, meanwhile, reported last year that Guatemala had the highest murder rate in all of Latin America, with 70 homicides per 100,000 population. "
 * for the USA homicide rate, http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html FBI website

On 18:53, 2007 February 10), (WT-en) Rfmarves deleted the revised text. Thus we have an implicit dispute about this claim.

The Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (wikipedia) has a web site, http://www.cidh.org/. In a quick search, I wasn't able to see a report posted there which validates the 70 homicides per 100,000 statistic quoted in the ispnews.net article.

I'm willing to believe that there's a high homicide rate in Guatemala, but I'm not sure what's appropriate to say about it in a travel guide. Thus I'm not changing anything now. I'm just noting the issue. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 14:50, 11 February 2007 (EST)

Feedback: this article doesn't give newcomer the right level of guidance
Some feedback from a friend who knows Guatemala, and was looking for a URL for a Guatemala first-time vistor to read: this Guatemala article wasn't useful. I think the comment was that it lacked an overview and list of top itineraries. The beginning of the article and the "See" and "Suggested Itineraries" sections are natural places to put these. I think the problem is that there is too much detail, and not enough overview content supplied yet. Yes, I'll add my contributions. But I wanted to post this feedback in the hopes of encouraging others too. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 15:33, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Yeah, Central America is one of the lesser-developed areas of Wikivoyage, so we can definitely use your help prioritizing and organizing the information we have, and adding to it. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 16:05, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

minor delete
Took out the line in the Stay Safe section about being murdered because of taking a photo. While taking photos is very culturally insensitive and causes much fear, a statement as extreme as the one that was there needs a citation. The child slave trade (often for sex) is alive and well in Guatemala so the fear is warented but I have not seen a documented case of a pre-emptive murder because of a photo. (During the civil war there was a case of a mob killing a woman suspected of kidnaping but 20 years ago in Guatemala was a different tale.)

Regions
As in various central and south american countries the region system is a mixture of too many department pages that are almost empty and not widely used region pages. I d be willing to sort all that but but I've never been to Guatemala. The current region system on the main page appears fine to me but i d need confirmation from someone more knowledgeable.
 * Central Highlands: Around Guatemala City
 * Western Highlands: Many modern Maya towns
 * Caribbean Coast: Hot and steamy
 * Petén: Hot jungle in the north, with most impressive ancient Maya ruins
 * Pacific Highlands: Hot, going down to the Pacific beaches

Here s a map and a list of the departments of the country :
 * 1) Alta Verapaz
 * 2) Baja Verapaz
 * 3) Chimaltenango
 * 4) Chiquimula
 * 5) Petén
 * 6) El Progreso
 * 7) El Quiché
 * 8) Escuintla
 * 9) Guatemala
 * 10) Huehuetenango
 * 11) Izabal
 * 12) Jalapa
 * 13) Jutiapa
 * 14) Quetzaltenango
 * 15) Retalhuleu
 * 16) Sacatepéquez
 * 17) San Marcos
 * 18) Santa Rosa
 * 19) Sololá
 * 20) Suchitepéquez
 * 21) Totonicapán
 * 22) Zacapa

I d need help from someone who knows Guatemala as to which department fit in which region before starting the reorganization. Thanks for input. (WT-en) Rafcha 17:51, 29 October 2009 (EDT)

 * This needs pinning down. The five top level regions seem to make sense. Could someone who knows Guatemala (we seem to get a lot of content, so you must be out there!) suggest the precise boundaries with reference to the helpful departments map above?--(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:58, 24 April 2010 (EDT)

 * The list of Other destinations is huge and decisions will need to be made about which are the the most important 9 and the others moved to their relevant region article. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:58, 24 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Having not even attempted to sort out that enormous list of cities and ODs, here is my wild guesses on which department should go where: I think Peten and Caribbean are straightforward, they are 5 and 11 on the map respectively. 9, 16, 2, 6, 22, 12, and 4 should go to Central Highlands, since the description says "around Guatemala City" (the department of which is marked with 9 on the map). Pacific Highlands should be 13, 18, 8, 20, 15, 17, all bordering the Pacific. If the "highlands" definition here makes it OK to put the departments with no coast at all in, then I guess 14 also fits well here. And the rest (3, 7, 19, 21, and 10) is Western Highlands. 1 can go in Central, or Western, or even in Peten but I guess Western is best (on purely geographical grounds, it may best be attached to Central, but it's far away from Guatemala City). – (WT-en) Vidimian 03:28, 28 April 2010 (EDT)

 * That's very helpful Vidimian and seems logical. I will push on with the map and post here in the next day or two for comment. It would be good if someone who knows Guatemala gives it the once over before the final regionalisation work is done. Guatemala has a relatively large number of articles so the work involved is quite substantial. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:14, 28 April 2010 (EDT)

 * The deeper I dig, the larger the chaos becomes. A real mess with breadcrumbs all over the place, random low level sub-region articles etc..... Trying to instill some order --(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:39, 28 April 2010 (EDT)

 * For now at least, I am sticking Alta Verapez (1) in Central highlands and not West. Further complicated as there is a low level region article for this department.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:59, 28 April 2010 (EDT)

 * And reading about it, Quetzaltenango (14) seems to fit better into the Western Highlands.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:43, 28 April 2010 (EDT)

After a large clean up, the only the only valid departmental level sub region articles were Quiche and Alta Verapaz. These I have merged and redirected to the top level region. Given the large number of village articles from the area, Lake Atitlan will remain as a sub-region of Western Highlands. Otherwise, I think all of the second level region articles have been removed as unnecessary. It is a tangled maze though, and I might find some more surprises. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:50, 28 April 2010 (EDT)

 * I have got the list of ODs down to 9 - Lake Attitla of course, plus the best known beach area ,and as far as I can determine, the 7 most notable Maya ruin sites. It would be so helpful though if somebody who knows Guatemala could look over all of this. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 00:51, 29 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Done. Pretty much as proposed except it made no sense to follow the borders of Quetzaltenango and San Marcos departments in relation to the Pacific Highlands region. This has been a tough map to get right and it is still very much open to comment. I am also wondering if Pacific Highlands should be renamed Pacific Gautemala as it is both mountains and a long stretch of coast? --(WT-en) Burmesedays 06:24, 30 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Also, why is it called Caribbean Coast and not Izabel, as the region consists solely of that department?--(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:24, 30 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Wikipedia says it's Izabal, there should be a typo involved somewhere (Izabel redirects to Jezebel over there, which seems to be entirely unrelated). Although I won't loudly oppose a move to Izabal, I think "Caribbean Coast" is more familiar, at least for travellers who haven't been to Guatemala yet. And I support moving "Pacific Highlands" to Pacific Guatemala, per the reason you stated. – (WT-en) Vidimian 14:12, 30 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Ah yes, Izabal is indeed correct. I will leave as is for a while and see if there are any other comments.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:12, 30 April 2010 (EDT)

 * This discussion needs resurrecting - I was brought here after finding the so-called "Pacific Highlands" region, which did not actually include any highlands (Pacific Guatemala is a lowland plain and the foothills of the Sierra Madre). The regions currently used could do with a little reorganisation. In particular, a new region "Eastern Guatemala" ought really to be created, referred to as "El Oriente" in Guatemala. This is a generally lowland region with a Hispanic-majority population, rather than Maya as in the Highlands, and countryside dedicated to plantations and ranching, with its own distinctive subculture. I would suggest the following:

 * 1) Alta Verapaz	- Doesn't fit very neatly as a department. Anywhere in the southern half of the department into the Central Highlands, and anywhere in the northern half into the Northern Lowlands.
 * 2) Baja Verapaz	- Central Highlands
 * 3) Chimaltenango - Central Highlands
 * 4) Chiquimula - Eastern Guatemala
 * 5) Petén - Northern Lowlands
 * 6) El Progreso - Eastern Guatemala
 * 7) El Quiché -Western Highlands
 * 8) Escuintla - Pacific Lowlands
 * 9) Guatemala - Central Highlands
 * 10) Huehuetenango - Western Highlands
 * 11) Izabal - could stay as is, in its own Caribbean region, or could be lumped in with Eastern Guatemala
 * 12) Jalapa - Eastern Guatemala
 * 13) Jutiapa - Eastern Guatemala
 * 14) Quetzaltenango - Western Highlands, except Coatepeque and Flores Costa Cuca, which should be put into the Pacific Lowlands
 * 15) Retalhuleu - Pacific Lowlands
 * 16) Sacatepéquez - Central Highlands
 * 17) San Marcos - Northern parts of the department should be in the Western Highlands, southern parts in the Pacific Lowlands.
 * 18) Santa Rosa - Pacific Lowlands
 * 19) Sololá - Western Highlands
 * 20) Suchitepéquez - Pacific Lowlands
 * 21) Totonicapán	- Western Highlands
 * 22) Zacapa -Eastern Guatemala

Any thoughts? Simon Burchell (talk) 10:05, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

 * What number of cities would each region have, based on your proposed division? Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:40, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

 * I think this a bit complicated to follow this way around. What would the new regions look like and which administrative divisions would they (partially) include? Or better yet, which are the most important changes to the current structure? Keep in mind that we try to avoid regions with much more than 9 and much less than 5 cities on the same level if possible and doable. Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:16, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * When I have time, I will dig out my maps and list the major towns in each region. The problem at the moment is that you potentially have lowland towns showing up in highland regions. Although some of this is fixed since I renamed Pacific Highlands to Pacific Lowlands (Guatemala) it still leaves places like Jutiapa and Chiquimula listed as being in a region that they really aren't. Simon Burchell (talk) 10:09, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Also note that the current Western Highlands division covers a large portion of western Guatemala, and must certainly include more than 9 municipalities.
 * The regions I suggest would be roughly as follows:

Western Highlands
 * 1) San Marcos
 * 2) Quetzaltenango
 * 3) Totonicapán
 * 4) Huehuetenango
 * 5) Todos Santos Cuchumatán
 * 6) San Mateo Ixtatán
 * 7) Nebaj
 * 8) Sacapulas
 * 9) Uspantán
 * 10) Sololá
 * 11) Panajachel
 * 12) Chichicastenango
 * 13) Santa Cruz del Quiché
 * 14) Santiago Atitlán

Central Highlands
 * 1) Guatemala City
 * 2) Antigua Guatemala
 * 3) Chimaltenango
 * 4) Rabinal
 * 5) Joyabaj
 * 6) San Juan Sacatepéquez
 * 7) Cobán

Pacific Lowlands
 * 1) Malacatán
 * 2) Ocos
 * 3) Champerico
 * 4) Coatepeque
 * 5) Retalhuleu
 * 6) Mazatenango
 * 7) Tulate
 * 8) Tiquisate
 * 9) Santa Lucía Cotzumalguapa
 * 10) Escuintla
 * 11) Puerto San José/Puerto Quetzal
 * 12) Monterrico

Eastern Guatemala
 * 1) Jutiapa
 * 2) Chiquimula
 * 3) Jalapa
 * 4) Esquipulas
 * 5) Gualán
 * 6) Zacapa
 * 7) Los Amates

Northern Lowlands
 * 1) Chisec
 * 2) Lanquín
 * 3) Poptún
 * 4) Dolores
 * 5) Sayaxché
 * 6) Flores
 * 7) Cahabón

Caribbean
 * 1) El Estor
 * 2) Morales
 * 3) Río Dulce
 * 4) Livingston
 * 5) Puerto Barrios

Simon Burchell (talk) 13:13, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

 * I think that division looks fine. We might want to debate whether there is a sensible way to split "Western Highlands", but if that is more hassle than it's worth, we should not do it. Especially if it is one continuous region in the perception of a traveler. Thank you a lot for your work! Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:10, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Map
I guess we need a new map here. I found some data to match the states to the existing map, so I should be able to have an amended map up in a few days. -Shaundd (talk) 06:29, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * That would be great - this topographic map on Commons gives a good indicator for highland/lowland divisions for the Pacific and Northern Lowlands - I would run the division along the border between yellow/green. Best regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 09:20, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm working on the map and have the states superimposed over the topographic map you linked to above. Should Santa Rosa state also be split between Pacific Lowlands and either Eastern Guatemala or the Central Highlands? When I look at the maps, a significant portion of the north of the state seems to be in the mountains. -Shaundd (talk) 06:57, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Shaundd - the northern portion should be in Eastern Guatemala. Although hilly, it just doesn't reach the altitudes found in the highlands, and is culturally distinct. All the best, Simon Burchell (talk) 09:32, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * A draft version of the map is to the right. It still needs cleanup, but let me know if I've got the region boundaries right. Two things I have questions about is:
 * The Northern Lowlands boundary around Cahabon does a little jog based on the mountains. Is this correct?
 * Strictly following the state boundaries means Eastern Guatemala touches the Pacific. Is this correct or should that very southern piece be part of the Pacific Lowlands?
 * Thanks. -Shaundd (talk) 23:59, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The map is looking good!
 * Should be OK - things are dropping off to low altitude, and it wouldn't be right to include it in the highlands (Cahabón itself is in the lowlands). Simon Burchell (talk) 09:47, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I would put the southern piece in the Pacific Lowlands, roughly following the green/yellow division on the topographic map.
 * Many thanks for all the work on the map. Best regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 09:47, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Volcano & tropical storm
Here is this article that discusses the volcano and tropical storm, for which I posted a warning box: BBC News

98.117.195.183 02:16, 30 May 2010 (EDT)

Democracy and recent elections
I have not yet set up an account and am also not confident of the level of historical detail that is best to include. But the statement in the text that the most recent democratic election was in 2007 is quite out of date. The most recent election was in November of 2011 and the winner and current president is Oscar Perez Molina 74.104.46.20 03:55, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Hi there. You should feel confident to insert basic information of this kind. Please do. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:06, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Btw, there have now been more recent elections than that. The current President is Jimmy Morales, a former TV comedian. Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:12, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Banner
Well, as you can see, the banner of the Bank of Guatemala is very good, but a landscape of virgins sites of Guatemala would not be wrong to represent the country since it is a green and beautiful country. For this reason, i will place it, and this banner it's better representing Guatemala that the last. Thank you Rexdv (talk) 20:23, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Other destinations update?
I was thinking of update the Other destinations section: removing red links, removing the Mayan ruins subhead, updating photo, and normalizing/updating listings to conform to the "one liner" format. Does this seem ok? Thanks! ButteBag (talk) 16:53, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

 * — visit some of the best-preserved Mayan ruins in Guatemala, where you're more likely to encounter archaeologists than tourists
 * — still being uncovered, the adventurous few who visit this massive early Maya site may arrive to discover a cradle of Mayan civilization
 * — these Mayan ruins in the Central Highlands are an easy day trip from Guatemala City or Antigua
 * — a stunningly beautiful volcanic lake surrounded by picturesque Mayan villages, visitors may find themselves staying longer than anticipated
 * — located on the Pacific coast, Monterrico is known for its volcanic black sand beaches and annual influx of sea turtles
 * — an impressive Classic Maya site
 * — surrounded by National Parks, Rio Dulce checks a variety of boxes for the outdoor adventurer: jungles to trek, rivers to swim, and ruins to explore
 * — a swimmers paradise; this series of stepped, turquoise pools is perfectly situated atop a natural limestone bridge
 * — long considered the largest of Maya ruins, this impressive site is often the reason folks choose to add Guatemala to their itineraries

Proposed currency, time formatting and spelling conventions
Below is a proposed infobox to let readers know which formatting conventions to use in Wikivoyage articles. Do you agree with these proposals? If you have direct knowledge of what is most commonly used in the country, please let us know. Ground Zero (talk) 14:03, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * As there have been no comments, I've implemented the proposed box. Ground Zero (talk) 06:45, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

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Warningbox
Do we really need or want a warningbox about the crime rate at the top of this article in perpetuity? It's not as though the travel advisories tell you not to visit Guatemala at all. The crime levels are also unlikely to change significantly for the foreseeable future.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:02, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Template:Warningbox says "This template is meant for non-obvious dangers to life and limb, and should be used sparingly." I think a cautionbox in the Stay Safe section would be more appropriate for an ongoing high crime situation. Ground Zero (talk) 12:14, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Do criminal kill tourists? —The preceding comment was added by 87.130.10.85 (talk • contribs)
 * Yes. They also kidnap and ransom them, rape them, mug them in the street etc. Not that any of that is Guatemala-specific, but relatively "wealthy" tourists are always going to be targets for criminals, especially in developing countries. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:22, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

 * On balance I tend towards downgrading the screaming warning box at the top of the page to a smaller caution advisory in the stay safe section... Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:44, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Done. I've started a project to go through all of the articles with warning boxes to update, downgrade or delete our old warnings as appropriate. Since the world is going you-know-where in a handbasket, that usually means updating, sadly. Ground Zero (talk) 21:24, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

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Ruins, maybe eventually a tourist attraction
Ancient Mayan city discovered beneath Guatemala rainforest but "in an inhospitable area". Pashley (talk) 07:12, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

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Wow! This is a really great article! Good work! (WT-en) Majnoona 12:25, 24 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Thanks, I'll be updating as time permits. (WT-en) Eivind 04:35, 30 Mar 2004 (EST)

Very nice article. Alas, I havn't been back in 20 years (!) now. Most of what I recall is probably badly out of date. Does the area just south of the Parque Central still have lots of good Chinese Restaurants? -- (WT-en) Infrogmation 02:03, 29 May 2004 (EDT)

 * Thanks. I suppose there has been a lot of changes in the past 20 years! But there are still a lot of Chinese restaurants around Parque Central. If you can recall any good ones I'll see if they're still there :-) (WT-en) Eivind 19:33, 2 Jun 2004 (EDT)

A great article. I have a few suggestions on the structure though:
 * Maybe the city map should not be at the bottom? I realize we have no fixed place for it, but usually "geogrpahic" information comes at the beginning of articles.
 * Medical information - should this maybe be in a "Stay Healthy" section, comparable to country template? Consistency and all that.
 * Tourist information - move to "Understand" section instead of "Get around"? Unless it only provides information on transports.

-- Nils

Why text in french???

 * Dunno. Looks like somebody had an accident while doing translations for the fr: version.  I've put the original text back. -- (WT-en) Mark 10:41, 21 Dec 2005 (EST)

Criticism
Hey this is really a BAD article. I live in Guatemala my whole life and lots of things that says in here aren´t true. Like Guatemala is very dangerous, yes it dangerous but El Salvador & Honduras are worst than here, even at El Salvador they killed the church chief of all the country during the daily mass!!!!!!! Also the only place that you need to stay safe is Zone 18 (all day) and Zone 1(only at night). Also the central turist plaze is very, but very very good, it a lie that is bad and they dont give you information, even they if you have a problem they give you money so you can buy anything that you want (dont except that they would give you lots of money, at least they give 50 quetzales and max 100 quetzales) or the other thing that they give you is free transportation to any part of a republic. Yeah dont think that the service is 24 hours long.

Well other things about this is that they talk some turist places and they are lots more, even a cafeteria in Zone 1 is a turist attraction because in all the houses they have artesanian work made from them. Come to Guatemala, even ONU says that Guatemala is world patrinum place by there culture and carism of the people.

 * If you feel that some of the information is incorrect or unfair, please go ahead and correct it. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 17:49, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

read it again, I have made some new additions to get a better feel for what the city has to offer and balance de pesimst point of view written before. Roberto Medina

Strong words in complaint
The part about "hardly anyone walks" through Guate is bullshit. I live here and most people walk. Nobody finds it strange if you walk, its completely normal. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 190.149.10.163 (talk • contribs)

Updating "By bus" under "Get in"
It has been over 10 years since the chicken bus terminal in Zona 4 has (supposedly) shut down as a chicken bus terminal and is mainly one huge market. On the other hand the CINTRA terminal south of town in Zona 12 seems empty both as a shopping mall and as a bus station. Basically I have some idea about updating that whole section but I want to see what everybody's take is on that, especially those of the moderators. I don't want to change it COMPLETELY only to see it reverted back to the way it was. Basically the chicken bus stops are located in the areas surrounding intersection of Calzada Roosevelt/Blvd Liberacion (Hwy CA-1) and Calzada Raul Aguilar Batres/Ave Bolivar. unsigned contribution by User:Anyone150
 * I just edited the local bus section, which was also horribly out of date. Please plunge forward and make whatever updates you think necessary. And please sign your comments on talk pages using ~ . Thanks. I look forward to reading your edits. Ground Zero (talk) 21:52, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Made the updates. Check the history log. unsigned contribution by User:Anyone150

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Spanish
Some sections were written in Spanish by someone else, but they seem to have useful information in them anyway. Despite my limited Spanish -and English- I tried and translated some of it instead of deleting right away. (WT-en) Rmx 17:28, 3 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * I wanted to give it a try later on, but your were a bit quicker. (WT-en) Ronald 18:14, 3 Jan 2006 (EST)

Copyvio
Some of the text in this article was a copyvio from http://ecuadortrauma.com/english/guayaquil.htm. It has been removed. -- (WT-en) Ryan 21:55, 12 April 2006 (EDT)

Guayaquil colleges

 * Swept in from the pub.

Regarding this edit, both Brookdale Community College and Broward College (both U.S. institutions) claim to have the only U.S.-accredited college in South America. Thoughts on how to handle this? (WT-en) LtPowers 20:21, 16 December 2011 (EST)
 * Both colleges have websites that give addresses in Guayaquil . I was about to say that there must be two colleges, but this history page  suggests that Brookdale became Broward in 2008. Looking again at the Brookdale page, it only shows schedules for 2006 & 2007. So the edit appears to be correct - the college has changed name/ownership ('program was transferred').(WT-en) AlasdairW 13:54, 17 December 2011 (EST)

Update?
A lot of the information in this article clearly dates from 2009 (see, for example, the "Stay safe" section). If any reader knows any current information about Guayaquil, please update! Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:17, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

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Sources for information
I don't have time to put in information right now, but it's a bit embarrassing that there's nothing here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gubbio and links therefrom have relevant information on main sights. I can't recall at the moment which church toward the west side of the city has the great intarsial work. I'm also forgetting the name of the church that I had to take a seggiovia (chair lift, except that I was standing, so it was probably called something else) up to. Pleasant church, had nice stained glass.

No sights in Gubbio were by themselves as spectacular as any of the greatest sights in a place like Siena, which is bigger, nor the Duomo in Orvieto, but all of them and the city itself combined are well worth a visit, for those who have the time and are in the general vicinity. Michael 09:02, 14 September 2008

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VFD Discussion

 * Basically no content (WT-en) –sumone10154 20:03, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
 * Keep No content is not a reason for deletion. This seems to be a valid destination.  --(WT-en) Inas 23:40, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

Result: Kept. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:09, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

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For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Guernsey/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.

Convert this into a city article?
Should this article be converted into a city article with all listings merged here? Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:33, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * There is a need for some articles which parts of the main Island to be expanded but other Guernsey islands such as Sark and Alderney are well developed and would not merge well into a single article for the whole group of islands. --Traveler100 (talk) 16:38, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Well maybe an article for each island? Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:44, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree, a single article for Guernsey itself, leaving Herm, Alderney and Sark on separate pages as now. For a few tiny places (such as privately-owned Brecqhou) a throwaway mention on Guernsey page will suffice. Time to go ahead with this? I'm making a similar proposal for Jersey. Grahamsands (talk) 13:03, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Although I have concerns about the proposed Jersey consolidation, this one seems to make sense as the two sub-articles have little content. Ground Zero (talk) 13:44, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Single article for Guernsey Island and keep the other islands as is sounds like a good solution. --Traveler100 (talk) 13:54, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Sorry for the accidental rollback. It looks like you have fixed it. Ground Zero (talk) 08:34, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Done as proposed above, with St Peter Port and St Martin re-directed into Guernsey. Grahamsands (talk) 17:37, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Ground Zero (talk) 17:49, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Now we have a good article at Guernsey. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 18:00, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Guerrero Negro

cut the following from the article page since it was a travelogue--(WT-en) justfred 19:27, 13 October 2006 (EDT)

Guerrero Negro is a city in Baja California, Mexico.

(See Template Page for help filling in below]

We went here last yearin January and it was spectacular. We flew to San Diego and then rented a car. Only Avis would allow the car to go that far south into Baja. Stopped at wal=mart and bought lots of water and some munchies and a big empty gas can. We weren't sure about gas in Mexico--but we turned out not to need it. First day we drove to Rosarito beach and stayed overnight. Left early the next AM and drove all day. You would not want to do this at night. Several checkpoints with military guys with big guns. Really had no problems. Got to G.N. just before dark.

Eat
Malarrimos was a surprizing find. The food was great, service was quite good and overall it was a highlight of the trip

Sleep
Stayed at La Pinta hotel. Basic, but clean. Army base next door provided the "alarm clock" in the AM. Met some people who stayed at Malarrimo's and it looked OK. Realize that all accomodations are very basic.

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Talk:Guide

Novel
Truly, I had no idea we had a Guide guide. --22:29, 18 July 2012 (EDT)
 * I look forward to the day when we can promote this article to Guide status. Ground Zero (talk) 09:46, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Guildford

"Guildford is a large town with all the amenities of a City. " No, Guildford is a city as it has a Cathedral. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 86.16.51.186 (talk • contribs)

 * Please feel free to make corrections yourself! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:31, 11 April 2009 (EDT)

 * Guildford isn't a city, it's a "cathedral town" or a borough because an official city-status hasn't been conferred on it by the Queen. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_status_in_the_United_Kingdom#England_and_Wales_2 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guildford#Administration 77.49.214.229 06:46, 8 May 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Guilin

Anonymous User's Comments
"Guilin is a tourism city. There are many hotels, more than 30 five-star hotels, 100 four-star hotels, and 200 three-star hotels." I come from Guilin. And I have to say that there are not so many 5-star hotels... at most we have only four. But that's already a lot for a small city...

Guilin is reputed as the most beautiful scenery city of China. Characteristic of Guilin is its peaks rise as suddenly from the Earth as trees in the forest, in various shapes resemble buns, camel, fish, saw-teeth, horse, etc.

The landscape in Guilin is characterized by its “green hills, clear waters, pretty rocks and fantastic caves’’.

I am native of guilin and I am pretty familiar with guilin and yangshuo, i have worked in the travel service for more than 2 year,  with my experiences, kindness and patience i am confident my services will make you trip more convenient, comfortable, pleasant and valuable.

I would like to offer you the best services as follow:

greeting you at the airport, train or bus station and make reservation at your request li river cruise tour. cormorant catching fishes, fantastic and colorful reed flute cave, longsheng dragon's backbone rice terraces, marvelous minorities shows and local souvenirs market to the highest mountain to see the panoramic view of guilin, stay in a small, old and town to enjoy the fresh air, quite, easy and real countryside life. to see the market day of town, got out and explore to sanjiang wind and rain bridge ( dong minority) yulong river bamboo boat rafting and take a special mud bath riding bicycle to old villages to see real farmers life even talk with them

 * Please sign your comments. You do this by typing four tildes like this ~.
 * Also, please do not try to advertise either on the talk pages or in the articles themselves. A description of your services on your user page is fine. See Project:Don't_tout and Project:Welcome%2C_business_owners for the relevant policies. (WT-en) Pashley 20:26, 11 March 2009 (EDT)

"It is well worth heading straight out of Guilin as soon as you arrive, " I find this a bit much much. I am currently in Guilin and find it a break for from the heavy tourist places around with still much to see.

 * Then edit the comment. That's what the 'edit' tab is for - though don't be upset if someone comes along and re-edits your edit. (WT-en) WindHorse 11 Feb 06

 * I agree...There is plenty worth seeing in Guilin and the less touristy part of it compared to Yangshuo is fun to explore! Edited.

To/From
I changed all the to/from references in the "Get in" section to be just from. As I understand the style guidelines Project:Huge_city_article_template the get in section is just for arrival information so I changed the verbiage to describe just getting into Guilin "from" the destinations described. (WT-en) Carson 20:01, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Guinea

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Guinea/CIA World Factbook 2002 import. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:42, 29 Mar 2005 (EST)

Please note an approximate cost for taxis in the capital. (X euro per km as of Month YYYY should suffice.)

Regions
In the spirit of not wishing to re-invent the wheel, I suggest we stick to the accepted four regions explained here and shown on the UN Map. These make sense culturally and geographically.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:14, 6 February 2010 (EST)

 * I agree, and I love it when governments do our job for us! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:38, 6 February 2010 (EST)

 * Indeed. Sadly, it is all too rare. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:50, 6 February 2010 (EST)

Ebola outbreak
MSF: Guinea Ebola outbreak unprecedented. Does anyone here know more or care to do some research? Should this or other articles have a warning? 13:34, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

 * I had disclaimerbox on Kedougou and Senegal indicating that country had closed land borders to Guinea in the affected region (per Reuters). Not sure if Liberia is applying any restrictions to prevent this from spreading? K7L (talk) 13:54, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

 * The situation looks quite serious. The red warning box in Stay healthy could be moved to the top and updated. ϒpsilon (talk) 13:59, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Guinea-Bissau

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Guinea-Bissau/CIA World Factbook 2002 import. -- (WT-en) Huttite 03:20, 28 Mar 2005 (EST)

Regions
ChubbyWimbus placed a link on the Regions Map Expedition for the Wikipedia article that the provinces can be divided into three regions. I'm not so sure. The Bijagós Archipelago are the only destination in G-B I've heard about and they seem to be a popular tourist draw...so I think they should be their own region (the archipelago corresponds with the Bolama region). Geographically speaking, the interior is forest-savanna whereas the coast is mostly mangrove swamps and forests. I'm not sure what differences there are between coastal areas to the north and south of the Rio Geba. If we can't find any, then the regions should be (using this map): Does this seem good? (WT-en) AHeneen 02:57, 26 January 2010 (EST)
 * Bijagós Archipelago (Bolama)
 * Interior Guinea-Bissau (Gabu, Bafata)
 * Coastal Guinea-Bissau (others)

 * Looks okay to me. It's nice when the political boundaries are also good travel boundaries. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 04:16, 27 January 2010 (EST)

 * Hmm, this is another very small country (half the size of West Virginia) with a population of just over 1 million, very low economic activity, a marginal tourist sector, and very little content on Wikivoyage. I'm not sure regions make sense at this point. That said, we should have an article for the Bijagós Archipelago. If not breaking down the country yet, that could be either listed as the sole subregion, or as an OD. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:21, 28 January 2010 (EST)

 * I agree that Guinea-Bissau does not need regions. Bijagos Archipelago could easily be treated as an OD as proposed. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 21:38, 31 January 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Guinsa

Theological hairsplitting
Cheondae (Ch. Tientai) is a semi-esoteric Buddhist school with significant Vajrayana influences, and rather different from mainstream Mahayana thought, much less Seon (Chan/Zen). The Triple Truth and the emphasis on the Lotus Sutra are both specifically Tientai trademarks not shared by all Mahayana schools. The point of my original description was to explain why Guinsa looks so different from most other Korean temples, and the new one doesn't do that, so I've taken the liberty of reverting the edit. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:54, 10 February 2007 (EST)
 * That's fine. However, those Triple Truths are not peculiar to the Cheondae sect, but are the central theme of the Heart Sutra, a Mahayana text, and so are common to all Mahayana schools, including Vajrayana and Zen. (note that many Buddhist texts actually point to the same truths, but just do so from different angle. The same theme is also found in the Diamond Sutra). However, as you say, the very elaborate Lotus Sutra is the main text of the Cheondae School. Anyway, it's not a major point, and I'm sure it won't make any difference to tourists visiting the complex. However, I just thought I should explain my reasons for making the amendments, and I apologize for not doing so before undertaking them. (WT-en) WindHorse 10:20, 10 February 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Guiyang

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Comments
I live in Guiyang and have never been asked to duck while on a bus that is passing a police car or police officer. I have also never seen anyone doing this. Where did this information come from? I don't think it is correct. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 207.7.149.43 (talk • contribs)

 * Then, by all means, edit the article. -- (WT-en) D. Guillaime 01:49, 13 December 2011 (EST)

The jiaxiu pavilion
I recently went to this city and the local guide claimed this was the main tourist spot.

How was this not covered in this article?(photo in case you wanna edit it) Thehistorianisaac (talk) 13:23, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Guizhou

Someone has left a load of spam on this page, whats the best way to report iy?

 * Plunge forward! (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:12, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Gujarat

Why is there no mention of the African Sidis population from Gujarat? Out of sight out of mind, eh?

 * Plunge forward and put the information in yourself. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 19:04, 14 January 2012 (EST)

Moved from "Understand/People"
Perhaps you can get something out of this rather disorderly text:

the people of Gujarat are the most lively folk you are likely to encounter in India,brimming with businessmen and all those exotic mouth watering delicacies,Gujarat is advertised by Bollywood superstar amitabh bachchan .whats more,Gujarat has many festivals like the rann mohotsav which is a versatile ,exorbitant and colorful festival where lakhs of people gather every year.originally started as a camel market.it now houses many different markets and mediums of entertainment. the next place which you would like to visit is nalsarovar .thousands of migratory birds mainly flamingos flock in to survive the cold weather in their native countries. Gujarat has the highest amount of state turnout being a business hub.the city of Ahmadabad and vadodara are two mini metros which are home to everything a modern tourist would like. from 5 star hotels to malls and multiplexes and also rich culture and heritage.

Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:08, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Regional structure
Anyone else find the regional structure very confusing? Gujarat is only part of the state of Gujarat?? Shall we reorganize this, and if so, how? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:31, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Intercommunal rioting of 2002
This was a horrific event, and it has to be covered in this article, but the coverage should be sensitive. Would anyone like to try their hand at writing something brief and putting it in "Understand" in the context of a broader, though still brief, "History" subsection? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:19, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Other destinations
I think the "Other destinations" section should be reserved for destinations that don't represent individual settlements for all cases and not just a handful of regions. This is consistent with our guidelines in Article templates. Although I've removed Dwarka from "Other destinations" as it is an established town, I haven't yet removed Kevadia from the section despite being a human settlement. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 16:58, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

 * Why haven't you removed Kevadia? Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:05, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I thought I need a discussion on what destination should be included in the "Other destinations" section. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 02:52, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See Region article template: Sometimes a region has destinations that aren't really cities: for example, large national parks. If so, list them separately here, with descriptions. Otherwise, leave out this section. This section, too, can be renamed if all destinations fall into a nice category, e.g. "Islands" or "Beaches". Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:21, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'm removing Kevadia from "Other destinations". Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 05:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Gujarati phrasebook

Nothing has been written in Gujarati Script! --92.20.10.166 11:36, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Gulf Coast

Region
I wonder... are the various Gulf Coasts, from Brownsville to Key West, cohesive enough to form some kind of meta-regional article, spanning state lines? Would there be any value in it? --(WT-en) Evan 00:05, 13 July 2006 (EDT)

 * The Wikipedia article indicates that it's a cohesive region, but I'm not sure what the value would be in creating a region article. It would be a similar case to the Rocky Mountains - we could make that a region article, but it cuts across regions that everyone has already agreed upon (in this case the US & Canada & the states/provinces in them).  In this case we'd have a region that includes parts of the South and Texas, as well as Mexico, and I'm not sure that the disadvantage of confusing the existing hierarchy is worth any benefit that would be gained by having such an article. -- (WT-en) Ryan 00:25, 13 July 2006 (EDT)

 * I agree, I postulated it more as a straw man than a real proposal. I could see an itinerary in it, though; Driving the Gulf Coast might work... --(WT-en) Evan 00:45, 13 July 2006 (EDT)

Gulf Coast
Reasons are similar to the cardinal point redirects & West Coast etc. above. Also, this one is incomplete; it does not have the Gulf coasts of Mexico, Panama, ... or of Saudi Arabia. Pashley (talk) 11:02, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I was quite surprised that that article had none for Mexico. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:08, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as long we have articles by that name (with disambiguation suffix). Some of the articles could be moved to better names and removed from the disambiguation page, but if there are some missing we cannot get rid of it. –LPfi (talk) 18:50, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep — this is a tourist destination usually referring to the coast of the Gulf of Mexico. This isn't used arbitrarily as the cardinal directions are used. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 19:04, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Should we then rewrite this to mention that tourist destination in plain text? There is a distinction between "more than one place" and "split between several articles". –LPfi (talk) 09:50, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I just noticed we have Gulf Of Mexico which overlaps with this disambiguation page. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 20:43, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't we keep pages on common search terms? Then perhaps keep this and link to Gulf Of Mexico for the Gulf Coasts of that sea. I'd do it the other way round and have a section on the Gulf Of Mexico, but I assume there are some islands that would feel misplaced in a coast disambiguation. We have disambiguation or extraregion pages for several seas, so this isn't that odd. –LPfi (talk) 09:50, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Per WV:Bodies of water, it seems like it, but that policy has always left me confused (hence why I don't get involved much in discussions relating to bodies of water) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:24, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. We don't have articles called Gulf Coast (Mexico), Gulf Coast (Panama) or Gulf Coast (Saudi Arabia) so no articles are missing IMO. We should keep the page to disambiguate our articles but not try to cover every place in the world, any more than we should list every "north coast" etc in the world. Nurg (talk) 10:43, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Outcome: Kept. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:20, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Gulf Coast (Mississippi)

This region contains the following counties:

 * Covington
 * Forrest
 * George
 * Greene
 * Hancock
 * Harrison
 * Jackson
 * Jefferson Davis
 * Jones
 * Lamar
 * Marion
 * Pearl River
 * Perry
 * Stone
 * Wayne

-- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 23:19, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

---Where does this list come from? I've lived on the MS Gulf Coast for most of my life, and I've never seen anyone consider anything north of Stone/Pearl River/George Counties part of the coast. Even those are sometimes left out. (WT-en) Chaotic42 19:14, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

 * Can't say I'm sure, but the point of the list is to have a good regions breakdown for the state. If you have some suggestions for how to make the breakdown a bit more tight (which would be very welcome), please bring them up here. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:34, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Title
Rather then the current title, would Mississippi Gulf Coast be suited given the removal of parentheses? --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 02:23, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Gulf Islands National Seashore

isIn x 3
The reason I put three:
 * Florida - 'cos it's partly in Florida
 * Mississippi - 'cos it's partly in Mississippi
 * USA - put this last so it would display at the top of the page

Is 3 isIn's useful??? - no idea! - but I've seen similar multiple isIn's on other pages in similar scenarios, what the purpose of the "hidden" ones is I don't know. ~ 203.144.143.3 23:38, 24 September 2006 (EDT)

 * Well, the first two are good. When the breadcrumb system is fully functional, they'll work.  The last is an okay compromise.... but if the National Seashore is more accessible from one state, then I'd make it the prefered isin instead of the whole USA. -- (WT-en) Colin 23:56, 24 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Great to know! Thanks! (WT-en) OldPine 06:53, 25 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Don't we have a Gulf Coast region? Hmm guess not, it's a disambig. It doesn't really fit in South (United States of America) either.  Oh bother.  There really is a pretty unique and common culture-like-thing along the gulf coast through the relevant states, but adding it would cause more complexity.  Bother. (WT-en) Jordanmills 09:57, 25 September 2006 (EDT)

The Alabama and Mississippi sections of the park are pretty far away from each other. Maybe we could split this article in two? There's not much information about the Mississippi side, and it's kind of hard to figure out where to write about it, with all the stuff about the Florida islands. Travelwriter1000 (talk) 00:29, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * My preference would be to keep this as a single article, and sub-divide major sections in a similar way to what was done for Channel Islands National Park. -- Ryan • (talk) • 00:34, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Public Domain Photos
Photos from the US Park Service are available here. They are in some kind of photo CD format, need to be processed before uploading. (WT-en) gamweb 07:22, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Gulf Shores

Some photos and notes from past trips to Gulf Shores, AL

http://cat-ti-tude.com/edu/gulfshores2002_intro.html

http://cat-ti-tude.com/edu/gulf_shores_xmas.html

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Talk:Gulf Shores and Orange Beach

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City or Region?
The and in the title of Gulf Shores and Orange Beach suggests that this is a regional article about Gulf Shores and Orange Beach, not a city article. Alternative names given to this region in the Gulf Coast (Alabama) article suggest Gulf Coast Beaches or Pleasure Island are potentially better region names. Unfortunately, I don't know the area. - (WT-en) Huttite 00:14, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Reason
Because of its clumsy title Gulf Shores and Orange Beach has been tagged for deletion. - (WT-en) Huttite 00:14, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Gulistan-e-jauhar

I am the maintainer of the wikipedia page, and i give my permission for this content to be used
 * I am sorry, but you simply do not have the right to give permission on behalf of the many other Wikipedians who also worked on the article at Wikipedia. See Project:Cooperating with Wikipedia. -- (WT-en) Colin 01:11, 26 January 2007 (EST)

VFD Discussion
A neighborhood in Karachi East district. I don't think we need to create neighborhoods pages and then redirect those pages to their particular cities. As well MoS of article title is not correct either. --Saqib (talk) 21:20, 11 October 2012 (CEST)

 * Redirect to Karachi/East, following deletion policy. --Globe-trotter (talk) 22:42, 11 October 2012 (CEST)

 * Redirect - it is actually useful to create neighbourhood pages and redirect them. People won't be inclined to recreate the neighbourhood page, and will instead include the info in the right place.  --Inas (talk) 00:20, 12 October 2012 (CEST)

 * Redirect - Inas' remarks are well taken. I can't see a good reason not to redirect, offhand, but I stand to be corrected. (WV-en) Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:06, 15 October 2012 (CEST)

Result: Redirected to Karachi/East. --Globe-trotter (talk) 16:37, 24 October 2012 (CEST)

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Talk:Gulmarg

Drink section seems a little messed up maybe its just me. --(WT-en) Norvak 20:40, 20 December 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Gunbarrel Highway

This is really a great guide! Well done! (WT-en) Majnoona

 * Thanks Maj! There's still more to come (but I'm taking it slowly). I wondered if I shouldn't have used a template similar to the existing city/region/country templates. "Before you go" could become "Prepare" and "The trip" could become "Drive" or something similar. I'm also thinking of including a short description on how to get to Wiluna and Yulara in a "Get there" section. More ideas? By the way, maybe I can help to expand the Project:Itinerary article template. (WT-en) D.D. 12:34, 7 Sep 2003 (PDT)

 * All this sounds grand! I think all of this could go into theProject:Itinerary article template. I like the idea of a "Prepare" section, it would really change the itineraries from just lists of places to more complete guides. This is exactly the sort of stuff I like to see when planning a trip. Go ahead and plunge forward! (WT-en) Majnoona

G'day Maj

Well prepared trip info.

One small error I noted. For the

Gunbarrel Highway distance table

the column titles are the wrong way about

East to West Place West to East

should be

West to East Place East to West

Wiluna is in the west and Yulara in the east

Regards

John H

 * Hi John! Feel free to plunge forward and edit the article! (WT-en) Majnoona 13:47, 9 Feb 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Gundagai

Here's a few links that may have useful info for this article:

http://gundagai.local-e.nsw.gov.au/tourism.html http://walkabout.com.au/locations/NSWGundagai.shtml

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Talk:Gunung Leuser National Park

For discussion on separation of Bukit Lawang, see here. (WT-en) Rej8 12:48, 15 May 2011 (EDT)

title: Talk:Gunung Leuser National Park


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Talk:Gunung Mulu National Park

This page should be called Gunung Mulu National Park. If someone knows how, can they please make this change.

 * Then why does the official site say just "Mulu National Park"? (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:16, 27 September 2006 (EDT)

If you go to the official site you mentioned, although the url doesn't use the word gunung, you will see that the centre box says "official homepage of Gunung Mulu NP" and also the top left column says Gunung Mulu world heritage park. Gunung is sometimes omitted when people are lazy to write it. (WT-en) Greenmango 02:24, 28 September 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Gurugram

I want reach at Gurgaon Bus Stand from Delhi Railway Station. Pl suggest me a smooth way.

Eateries in Gurgaon
I have been trying to tidy up the Eat section of Gurgaon. While I have cleaned up places which closed down a while ago, I currently see a lot of listings that are not really great anymore. The times have passed them over and they don't represent good food in Gurgaon. Since this is strictly a subjective matter, I'm not sure how to proceed. I fear following these recommendations would lead to a sub-par experience. Rbtravel (talk) 03:38, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

 * Hi, if you have the first-hand knowledge, I believe you should plunge forward and remove the eateries that are no longer up to standard. However, rather than removing them outright, it is best replace them with better places to eat otherwise the section will become empty. Gizza ( roam ) 04:32, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd add: The goal isn't only "the best food", because that might lead to the section including only fine dining.  But "my favorite of this type", next to "my favorite of that type", is certainly something I like to include.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:45, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I will keep both these suggestions in mind before I start editing. My concern arose from the eateries which have either gone downhill from their original standards or now reside in slightly shadier parts of town than the average traveler would like to visit. Rbtravel (talk) 14:05, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * One word of caution: Our guides aren't only for the average traveller. There are many intrepid travellers who are willing to go to bad neighborhoods for great food, as long as they're not going to get killed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:13, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Name
In view of this edit, should we change the article's name? Is there any reason to think Gurgaon has persisted or will persist in English? This city is not well-known outside India, so I doubt it, but it's worth a discussion before we take action. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:42, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Remember that India is also an English-speaking country, so local use matters. I searched for recent news articles about the city, and both names seem to remain current in the Anglophone Indian press, depending on publication; The Indian Express and India.com seem to prefer Gurgaon, while the arguably more prestigious Times of India and The Hindustan Times say Gurugram. Outside India, it was featured in The Guardian in 2016 as Gurgaon. If none of that particularly helps to establish the most common name, it does show that both are prevalent in English.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:19, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

 * I've been to India, so I'm certainly aware English is spoken by many people there. I would tend to discount a reference from 2016, which I'm guessing is before the name change but in any case is not current. But I take your point, and thanks for taking the time to look those references up! Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:32, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

 * So then what do we do? Leaving the article called "Gurgaon" while using "Gurugram" throughout isn't a solution. The two acceptable solutions that I can see are reverting yesterday's edits but keeping the information about the official name change, or moving this page to Gurugram and noting the former name in the lede and Understand. It seems to me the current best way to decide which of those to do would be to flip a coin.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:35, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

 * I think we should just move the page to Gurugram. A lot of the major media outlets are now using Gurugram. We can say "Gurugram, formerly known as Gurgaon, ..."Minal75 (talk) 22:51, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I need to research, but my instinct is to agree with Minal75. We can always redirect users to the new name. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 23:42, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

 * if anyone interested in etymology trivia, the city literally means "Guru village". Gurgaon is Hindi while Gurugram is derived from Sanskrit. The local Punjabi community colloquially call the city "Gurgavaan" which has the same meaning. If there's a 50-50 split right now, my gut feel is to move towards the the new official name. Knowing how these things pans out (like Burma vs Myanmar), with a few exceptions, over time the newer name becomes more common. Gizza ( roam ) 01:22, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

 * DaGizza, thanks for explaining that. It's a bit odd to change names from vernaculars to Sanskrit, but I'm guessing that's part of the BJP's appeal to Hindutva (Hindu nationalism, basically). Is there much prospect of such names being changed back if the BJP is ever turned out of power? If not, then it looks like it is probably best to change the article's name. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:52, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Looks like we have a consensus to move the page to Gurugram.ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:05, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

[undent] Kind of, but I'd like to know if the name change is partisan and likely to be reversed someday. I guess that's a distant prospect, though, so yeah. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:10, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Most name changes of cities are partisan, because changing a city's name is necessarily political. We can't know how likely a reversal is, as even if all the opposition parties were saying they were dead against Gurugram and would change it back straight away if elected, if and when they got into power they might realise how expensive it is to change all the signs and official documents back again, or they might find something more important to focus on and put the issue on the back burner, or they might find people have got used to the new name and there's no real desire to change back. How many cities ever revert to an earlier name once they've changed? If the name change is really reversed in this case, then it's a simple matter for us to change the article back.ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:26, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * St. Petersburg, Chemnitz, etc., but yes, agreed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:30, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

 * If we're still here in 80 years and they decide, like in Leningrad, that maybe the old name wasn't so bad after all, I'll happily revert.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:37, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

 * I finally remembered to get round to doing this...--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:04, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Delete. Without a description of how to pronounce or use these characters, just the alphabet does not seem useful for the traveller. It appears that these tables were copied from wikipedia (same colors, sequence, headers). The page was added about seven weeks ago, and user has not made any edits to wikivoyage since that date, so I don't think he's coming back to turn this into something more. --(WT-en) Bill in STL 02:43, 25 August 2010 (EDT)

 * Merge and redirect to Punjabi phrasebook. Pronunciation information is necessary, but no need to delete simply because it is incomplete, I'd say. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:14, 25 August 2010 (EDT)

Result: Merge tag added for Punjabi phrasebook. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:46, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

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Having been to Saint Martin many times, and St Barts once, I would not describe its location as "off the coast of Puerto Rico". Did the author mean to say "Saint Martin"? jdh

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Hotels with no listing detail
Moved here from the article due to insufficient deatil. If you want to put them in please ensure they have more detail then just the name, please see MoS. -- (WT-en) felix 07:00, 22 August 2011 (EDT) From Mid-range section:

 * Brahmaputra Ashok

 * Landmark

 * Hotel Nandan

 * Hotel President

 * Belle View

 * Hotel Vishwaratna

 * Hotel Maruti

 * Hotel Rituraj

 * Is little information not better than no information? 101.219.78.195 15:24, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

 * In general, yes, but not when all that's been provided is a name or a name and URL. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:07, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

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 * OK, I'll try! I visited Guyana in November 2003 to do voluntary health work for a short time. Resources about the country on the net are few and far between...

 * -- (WT-en) Huttite 00:54, 12 Jun 2004 (EDT)

Regions
Do we really need 10 regions for a country with 700,000 people? Surely there is a more logical way to split the country? (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:13, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

 * The ten current regions just follow bureaucratic divisions and little or no thought has been given to this from a WT perspective. I am underway with drawing a map of the country, and after a fair bit of reading (this geographical summary is especially helpful), I would propose regionalising as follows:

 * Guyanese Coastal Plain - Barima Waini, Pomeroon Supenaam, Essequibo Islands-West Demerara, Demerara-Mahaica, Mahaica-Berbice.

 * Guyanese Highlands - Cuyuni-Mazaruni, Potaro-Siparuni, Upper Takutu-Upper Essequibo

 * Corentyne-Berbice - East Berbice-Corentyne, Upper Demerara-Berbice

 * All 10 existing region articles to be merged and re-directed as appropriate.

 * The geography of this 3 region proposal definitely makes sense. Any comments gratefully received. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 00:22, 19 January 2010 (EST)

The almost finished map with regions clearly shown looks like this. I think it makes sense. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 03:57, 19 January 2010 (EST)

 * What is the rationale for the eastern region? In particular, why break off that one piece of coast from the rest? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:45, 19 January 2010 (EST)

 * I was trying not to split the huge Berbice-Corentyne province in the east. I could take a little bit off the north and put it into the Coastal Plain region.  Further south from the coast, the eastern region boundary is driven by the geography of river plains and the mountains beginning, as well as existing province boundaries. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:43, 21 January 2010 (EST)

Here is an alternative which may deal with your concern over splitting the coastal strip. The piece of Correntyne-Berbice which I have chopped off is arbirtary as there are no features I can find to determine a boundary. The land here all appears to be uniform flat marshland and cane plantations. I think you are probably correct with your implication about the coastal region and that this is a better split. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:28, 22 January 2010 (EST)

 * Looks good. I guess the reason for the inland split then is that the western part is mountainous and relatively unpopulated, whereas the east is more settled? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:56, 22 January 2010 (EST)

 * More or less. Mountains vs lowland river plains really.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 13:19, 22 January 2010 (EST)

I do not agree Olivia prince (talk) 23:29, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

 * What would you propose to do differently? These things are always open to new discussion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:30, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Regions again
Do we need the regions at all? Every article listed in the three regions articles is also listed in the country article (except for one). Two of the region articles are skeletons, and the third has only a paragraph or so that doesn't repeat what is in the country article. We could easily roll the region articles into this article and save readers the trouble of clicking through the region articles. Ground Zero (talk) 02:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Seeing no response, I will specifically propose to eliminate the region articles and roll what little info they contain up into the country article. Ground Zero (talk) 12:33, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I suppose it is easy to recreate them when more city articles (or whatever) get created. –LPfi (talk) 12:45, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think we need regions at all. And as LPfi said, we can recreate them. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:49, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * We don't need region articles, so I'd support the proposal. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 13:10, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I would make the region articles redirects and comment out the existing content so that it would be easy to restore and expand if it became appropriate to do so. Ground Zero (talk) 15:08, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * All of this looks sensible to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:18, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Done. Ground Zero (talk) 20:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

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Bunch of information that needs sorting. There are probably a couple of other articles hidden amongst all this.

Overview
COMMUNITY TOURISM IN THE NORTH RUPUNUNI Community tourism in the North Rupununi means that your tourism dollars go direct into the communities to assist with development and conservation in the region. All communities own their own lands and manage and administer their own communities through their elected Village Councils, so tourists can be assured that their visits are making a difference. Wildlife, rain forests, open savannas, big rivers, and a rich and thriving culture offer guests an opportunity to have an experience of a lifetime in a region that has largely been untouched by tourism. The hospitality of the Amerindians living in the North Rupununi cannot be matched and will make any visit very special and unique.

Wildlife Highlights •	Over 300 species of birds including the Guianan Cock-of-the-rock and the Harpy Eagle •	Mammals such as monkeys, Tapirs and Jaguars, Giant River Otters, and Anteaters •	Endangered reptile the Black Caiman •	Over 400 species of fish including the Arapaima (the largest fresh water scaled fish in the world)

The people of the region are Amerindians of mostly the Makushi tribe who speak both Makushi and English. Wapishana and Patamona are also spoken in some communities. There are nine Indigenous Amerindian peoples in Guyana, and most of these have retained or have revived their native language. Sixteen communities with an estimated population of 5,000 have grouped themselves into a representative and developmental community-based “umbrella” organization called the NRDDB (North Rupununi District Development Board). Elected community leaders and representatives of women, youth and micro-enterprises comprise the membership of the NRDDB which was established in 1996.

Travelers interested in any of the following destinations should contact Alphonso Forde at guyanatourism@hotmail.com

The North Rupununi Tourism Program
The NRTP – North Rupununi Tourism Program of the NRDDB has been especially set up to support and strengthen community tourism opportunities, products and services. The following Tours have been developed by the North Rupununi Tourism Program through community consultations with local tour guides and community leaders as well as with expert advice from the more established operations such as Iwokrama, Surama, Rock View and Karanambu. Surama Village, which successfully pioneered community tourism and serves as an example to all, operates its own business in partnership with Rock View and an international tour operator, Wilderness Explorers.

In 2001 the Bina Hill Institute was established and works with the NRDDB and their partners to develop such things as training, research, horticulture, carpentry, natural resource management.

The NRTP has been instrumental in setting the Community Tourism policy and facilitated a micro revolving fund that provided seed money to help a few villages establish their unique tourism products. Community tourism provides villages with a trickle of income and it also teaches them the importance of conservation and sustainable land-use management. Locals realize that tourists will pay money to look at flora and fauna in their natural habitat. This has created new incentives for the Amerindian communities and affirms the value and importance of protecting what they have. Tourism also holds out the hope of providing a few more jobs in the community and therefore sets the potential for stopping people from moving out of the villages to work in jobs such as mining or forestry.

Tourism is still in its infancy in Guyana and few tourists visit the North Rupununi. According to Bradt, an international travel guide book: “you have to put extra effort into planning and organising [your trip], but it’s likely that any little kinks that occur will be nullified by the experience you’ll have. And you’ll be proving that eco-tourism and conservation pay off.”

Contact & communication Surama has direct bookings and guests can also book through Wilderness Explorers. Visits to other communities are booked through the NRDDB’s tourism coordinator, Alphonso Forde who works out of the small NTRP/ NRDDB offices located in Annai Amerindian District in the Bina Hill Compound: alphonsoforde@yahoo.com Close by is the NRDDB’s Finance & Logistics Coordinator who also links with the NRTP and the NRTP’s own Bus service which is available for group tours at competitive prices: flcnrddb@yahoo.com. A group of local community members involved in tourism also started a joint email at the time of writing this: communitytourismguyana@hotmail.com If inquiring about a trip, please email all relevant contacts

Accommodation Surama and Rewa have simple and beautiful fully equipped eco-lodges. Wowetta and Aranaputa have very basic semi-camp style accommodation available at budget prices. Economical accommodation is also occasionally available at the Bina Hill Institute, Rock View Lodge in Annai and Iwokrama have high quality accommodation and day trips are available to most communities.

Transportation The Intraserv bus services the route between Georgetown and Lethem, passing directly through Wowetta, Annai and Aranaputa. To reach Surama it’s a half hour 4x4 drive on an access road. Rewa must be accessed by boat on the Rupununi River. Iwokrama and Rockview can supply private transportation and Surama has its own tourism mini bus. Iwokrama is approximately 1.5 hours from Annai. The NRTP also has its own bus which may be hired for larger groups of tourists.

Aranaputa: Eco-Basin Tourism
Senior Councilor, Ryan Benjamin with local tour guide, Jerry Benjamin

Attractions: •	Hike up the Clarence Mountain Nature Trail (1600ft – 6 hour round trip) •	Overnight at the Nature Trail Guest Cabin (1000ft) •	Tour of the Women’s Cooperative Peanut Butter Factory •	Birding and wildlife viewing on mountain trails •	Horseback riding into the habitat of the Giant Anteater •	Cultural presentations •	Budget accommodation at the community center guest house and local catered cuisine Wildlife Club Aranaputa’s cultural presentations are dynamic, original and well performed

Nature Trail Guest Cabin Spending the night at the Nature Trail Guest Cabin at 1000 ft gives guests an incredible opportunity to see wildlife such as Tapirs, Jaguars, Monkeys and Macaws. Large groups and multiple night stays are welcome.

1. Half way rest Benab 2. The panoramic views of the savannah from the nature trail 3. Flora and fauna are unique and intact

Women`s Co-op Peanut Butter Factory Have you ever made peanut butter? Here is your chance to see how it is done. The Woman’s Cooperative Peanut Butter Factory makes the best all natural peanut butter in Guyana. The women buy the peanuts from the local farms and do the roasting, shelling and processing all in one location. They are very enthusiastic to share with you the process and also to let you participate. Fresh peanut butter on cassava bread is served daily to the school children in Aranaputa as a snack. The peanut butter can be purchased from the cooperative Mon-Fri during their operating hours.

Horseback rides into the habitat of the Giant Anteater

Location: Aranaputa is situated 380km from Georgetown, 70km from the border town of Lethem and 5km west of Annai. The Intraserv bus travels through the village of Aranaputa and it is an 8 hour journey from Georgetown. Private vehicle transportation is also available from Iwokrama and Rockview (1.5 hours from the Iwokrama Field Station). The NRTP bus is also available for larger groups. Road from Georgetown to Lethem that passes through Aranaputa

Price in USD: NatureTrail including guide and village fee (aprox.7 hours) 		$25 per person Overnight at Nature Trail Guest House including guide and food	 	$50 per person Overnight at community centre guest house (hammock accommodation)	$10 per person Village tour that includes the peanut butter factory and village fee	 	$8 per person Horseback ride into the habitat of the Giant Anteater 			$60 per person Includes snack, guide and horse (approx 6 hours).
 * discounts available for larger groups

Beautiful Aranaputa Sunset Contact: Zita Jacobus at zitajacobus@yahoo.com (Aranaputa tourism representative) Community Tourism Committee: communitytourismguyana@hotmail.com NRTP coordinator: Alphonso Forde: alphonsoforde@hotmail.com NRDDB Finance & Logistics Coordinator: flcnrddb@yahoo.com

Wowetta: Kuwanaru Tours
Attractions: •	Cock of the Rock Trail (three different trails in Wowetta) •	Overnight at the rustic rain forest base camp one km from the Cock of the Rock nesting site •	Wildlife Viewing •	Budget accommodation at the community centre guest house

Where the rain forest meets the savannah, Wowetta awaits. The Nature Trail allows guests to view the Guiana Cock of the Rock in its natural habitat. Guests have the chance to see them nesting in caves, performing their mating dance on the lake, bathing in pools and perched in trees for perfect viewing. The five to seven hour round trip walk on the well maintained trail will take you to a lake with over 30 birds.

Wowetta’s trained and professional guides transform the rain forest into an educational and magical experience. Bird species, wildlife and flora will not be missed. Learn about the efforts of the community to protect this area from timber harvesting to save the Cock of the Rock’s natural habitat. Location: Wowetta is the first Amerindian village when one emerges from the rain forest and enters the savannahs. The Intraserv bus passes through Wowetta and is a 7 hour journey from Georgetown or a 3 hour journey from Lethem. Private transportation is available from Iwokrama and Rockview. The trip from the Iwokrama Field Station is one hour. The NRTP bus also be hired for larger groups.

Cost for the Nature Trail Hike to the Cock of the Rock site: $25 per person (1-6 people) or $20 (7-10 persons)
 * Price includes two experienced tour guides, community fee, snack and drink.

Basic budget accommodation at the community center guest house: $10 per person
 * meals can be catered

Contact: Community Tourism Committee: communitytourismguyana@hotmail.com NRTP coordinator: Alphonso Forde: alphonsoforde@hotmail.com NRDDB Finance & Logistics Coordinator: flcnrddb@yahoo.com

Annai: Village Tours
Cassava bread drying on a roof top

Attractions: •	Village Tour •	Amazing photos opportunities of this picturesque village •	Cultural presentations •	The largest thatched benab in Guyana

With 450 Makushi residents, the traditional village of Annai is the regional administrative centre for the Annai district that has a health centre, police station, guest house and administration offices. The picturesque layout of this hilltop community cluster contrasts with the sprawling layout of neighbouring villages making Annai community life more accessible to visitors. Guests will be rewarded with a tour from a local representative who will provide insight into the culture and lifestyles of the Makushi people.

Contact: Alphonso Forde: alphonsoforde@yahoo.com Community Tourism Committee: communitytourismguyana@hotmail.com Finance & Logistics Coordinator: flcnrddb@yahoo.com

Rewa: Purple Heart River Tours
Attractions: •	Birding, fishing and wildlife viewing •	Giant River Otters, Giant Fresh Water Turtles & Black and Spectacled Caimans •	Arapaima conservation project •	Giant fresh water lilies (Victoria amazonicas) •	Multiple day river tours into Jaguar country •	River eco-lodge fully equipped with solar power points •	Cultural presentations and village tour •	Mountain hikes that provide panoramic views of the rain forest •	Sand beaches where the Giant Fresh Water Turtles lay their eggs

Where the Rupununi and Rewa rivers meet, you will find the resource rich community of Rewa. The people of Rewa are from the Makushi and Waphishana tribes and survive principally from subsistence farming and fishing. Rewa caters to many types of interests including fishing, birding, hiking, relaxing at the eco-lodge and river expeditions. Many of the residents in Rewa have farms on the river where they spend up to a month doing cassava work such as making farine. During a visit to Rewa and other communities tourists will be able to see cassava work in progress which is a long, technical and labour intensive process.

The density of macaws (Scarlet, Red-and-green, and Blue-and-yellow) is amongst the highest at any readily accessible site in Guyana. The Turquoise tanager, Cayenne jay, Amazonian antshrike and Golden-winged parakeet are also some species that birders can look forward to seeing.

Relax with fresh coconut water and watch the giant water lily flower bloom while the sun goes down. Giant water lilies, Victoria amazonicas, are found at Rewa’s Grass Pond which is also home to the largest Arapaima conservation project in the region with over 500 of the largest fresh water scaled fish in the world. Giant River Otters and many species of birds also frequent the pond. Giant River Turtles nest on the sand banks of the Rewa River in February and March and multiple day river tours deep into the heart of the rain forest almost guarantee the sighting of Tapirs and increase the rarer chance of seeing the elusive, endangered Jaguar.

Rewa Lodge has a dining hall, two double rooms and three single rooms all with shared bathrooms. Hammock accommodation is also available in the large patios of the benabs. Local cuisine is Rewa’s specialty including fresh fish, cassava bread and farine. Afternoon barbeques on the riverbank are a delicious way to sample fish done in the local style.

Location: Rewa is a remote river community between Crashwater and Apoteri on the Rupununi.To reach Rewa it’s a 3-4 hr boat ride from Ginep Landing on the Rupununi River. Ginep is a 15 minute drive from Annai.

Cost: Ranges from $450.00 (single person) for 3 night stay at the eco-lodge to $950.00 for a six day river tour. Prices vary depending on group size because of transportation costs. For example a group of four would share the cost of transportation, therefore making it more economical per person.

Booking: Alphonso Forde: alphonsoforde@yahoo.com Community Tourism Committee: communitytourismguyana@hotmail.com Rewa Hospitality Coordinator: rudolphedwards@yahoo.com Finance & Logistics Coordinator: flcnrddb@yahoo.com

Surama Village
Eco-Lodge with views of the savannah and rain forest Attractions: •	River trips and canoeing on the Burro Burro River •	Exceptional birding with a developed trail network •	Wildlife viewing •	Hike up Surama Mountain •	Cultural presentations and exchanges •	Interactive village tour including community development projects •	Nocturnal wildlife spotting •	Overnight at the Burro Burro River Camp in hammocks •	Amazing local cuisine at the Surama Eco-Lodge

Surama is located on a large patch of savannah surrounded by the forested Pakaraima Mountains. With over seven years of eco-tourism experience the Makushi inhabitants of Surama can demonstrate that  eco-tourism is  a wise way to sustainably use their land and  create employment opportunities at home for its residents, especially youth, rather than them having to seek work elsewhere in Guyana. As a leader in the local industry, Surama serves as an example as to how the environment can be conserved for economic benefit through eco-tourism. A tour of this welcoming village offers insight into the many successful development projects including The Women’s Craft Shop and Cassava Project, The Youth Carpentry & Woodworking Project, The Junior Wildlife Club and more.

Spectacled Owl                           		       Hammock camp on the river Guided tours through the savannah and up Surama Mountain offer fantastic birding and wildlife viewing opportunities. Surama has embraced the opportunity to welcome birders and therefore has developed many birding trails. Keen birders have an opportunity to see species such as the Rufous-winged ground-cuckoo, the Pompadour cotinga and the Harpy eagle.

Canoeing on the Burro Burro The Burro Burro River is home to River Otters, Black Caiman, Anacondas and a large variety of fish and birds. Sometimes mammals such as Tapirs, Capybaras, Monkeys and Jaguars can be found along the tranquil river banks.

Guests stay in the Eco Lodge which has four private cabins with ensuite bathrooms and a main common building with kitchen, dining, bar and relaxation area. The main building has fantastic views across savannah, rainforest and mountains. The Amerindian cuisine at the eco-lodge is prepared from local produce which gives guests an opportunity to try the delicious flavours of the N.Rupununi.

Location: The access road to Surama is 350km (7 hours) from Georgetown, 90km (3.5 hours) from Lethem or a one hour journey from the Iwokrama Field Station. The Surama access road is a half hour drive in a 4x4 vehicle from the Iwokrama Forest Road Corridor.

Cost: Surama offers a large variety of tours that cater to the different needs and interests of travelers.

Direct Bookings can be made through Gillian Joseph the secretary for the Surama Tourism Association: chicaluvchase@hotmail.com

Most of the photos can be credited to Iwokrama Tourism Intern Rachael Roussin. The information in the booklet was a collaborative effort by Ms.Roussin, NRTP coordinator Alphonso Forde and the community members from Surama, Wowetta, Annai, Aranaputa and Rewa in Jan.2008.

See

 * Iwokrama Rainforest Conservation offers canopy walk, and the opportunity to do some bird watching and other things.
 * Karanambo Ranch with the giant river otters,
 * Annai on the Savannahs between the Kanaku Mountains and Pakaraimas.

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Style-tagged: Section headers are consistent with Wikivoyage, but the information contained within is a muddled mess (copied from an external source perhaps?) Started to re-jig things myself, but without someone local to confirm and expand things, I'm afraid if I do any more it'll become more obtuse. Snave(gah, auto-logged out again)211.238.162.70 12:06, 17 February 2011 (EST)

New Banner?

I'm not against replacing the existing banner, but it should at least be discussed. Any thoughts on User:VisitGwangju's contribution? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 02:28, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

 * The existing banner has a somewhat neater composition and less usual content for a Wikivoyage pagebanner, but I'd be willing to consider arguments for why the new pagebanner would represent the city better. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:31, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Well the proposed banner is of a shopping mall at night, which isn't really an improvement as a representative image. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 03:47, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

 * In that case, I'd be inclined to oppose the replacement. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:00, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Apologies, it is not a shopping mall but rather the "Gwangju Metropolitan City Hall & Asia Culture Center" . That said the building isn't that interesting if you take the night time lights away. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 04:15, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

 * The proposed banner is Asia Culture Center (ACC). Gwangju hadn’t particular landmarks before, but now ACC became a new landmark in 2015. It is located in the urban area and close to Geumnam-ro and Chungjang-ro streets which are main and central streets of Gwangju. Furthermore, Gwangju stands a symbol of culture in Korea historically. There is an age-old word to call the city, 예향광주 (Yehyang-Gwangju, Gwangju, the Arts’ Hometown, the Cultural Capital), and I think this word is a representable expression to prove the identity of the city. To emphasis on the position, the Korea Government has been put stress on investments in terms of the facilities, such as Gwangju biennale, ACC, the neighborhood of Yangnim & Chilseok dong district, and so forth. The existing banner seems like Gwangju World Cup Stadium, and there are tons of stadiums in the world, and actually, except for baseball, Gwangju is not much of a hand at playing a sort of sports. That is the reason why I want to change the banner. --VisitGwangju (talk) 05:13, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

 * I understand your reasoning, but the point of a pagebanner is to be visually arresting. Can you make an argument for how your proposed replacement is more visually impressive or appealing than the current one? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:25, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

 * I browsed Wikimedia but couldn't see any fantastic alternatives. I'll have a go with Flickr later tonight (Flickr is blocked in my current work location) Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:06, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

 * I just wanna emphasize the Gwangju’s symbol of the light. The provenance of the name, Gwangju, is literally 'light province.' 광 = 光 (meaning of light in Chinese character), 주 = 州 (meaning of village in Chines character). A pure Korean word of Gwagnju is also 빛고을 (Bit-goeul, the light province). Gwangju has been interested in displaying the meaning of ‘Light.’ After a series of efforts, Gwangju was designated as ‘The Unesco Creative Cities Network of Media Arts’(UCCN) in 2014. There are the nation's largest photonics research institutes and factories in Cheomdan district, and many photonics conventions are also held in the city. Night view of ACC or whatever ‘light’ things is suitable for banner. --VisitGwangju (talk) 06:37, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Thanks VisitGwangju, I do appreciate that Korean town names have these meanings (see Miryang's banner for an example of sunshine in keeping with its name). That said the image quality itself is important, not just something representative of the town's name. Criteria for banners can be found here if that helps you: Banners Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:53, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

 * How about these pictures. The first picture even contains Mt. Mudeungsan.--VisitGwangju (talk) 07:44, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

 * From my side I would say the sunlight is just too overwhelming. Interested in others opinion. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 07:49, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Yes, a bit of blown sun, but is there a way that option 2 could be cropped on the left, such that the text box were over the sun? Right now, that area of blown sunlight would be just to the right of the text box, which I think is not acceptable. And aside from the problems with the direct sunlight in option 3, I'm not feeling that satisfied with the picture quality. One advantage of the current banner is that it's quite a neat photograph. I'm definitely open to considering a panorama banner, though. Perhaps earlier, before the sunlight has gotten so strong? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:01, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

 * I'm looking at Flickr images, and please be careful VisitGwangju Both those images have all rights reserved and as such you are not allowed to host them in Wikimedia. Please only use valid Creative Commons images for your banners. Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:04, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

 * I still care about the posted banner. In my opinion, the present banner has no representativeness of Gwangju and distinction between the other cities. I was looking for the better photo to it, unfortunately, some dope pictures are protected by copyright, or has low-resolution. And I found a decent picture that Gwangju city hall owns the copyright on it. Today, I got permission to post the picture from the city hall, so Plz confirm it. There are no ‘light’ or ‘cultural’ things to symbolize Gwangju, but at least, it contains panorama of Gwangju and Mt. Mudeungsan, so-called Mother of Gwangju, and it is somewhat appropriate for it in my view. --VisitGwangju (talk) 04:46, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

 * I assume that is your own picture and is Creative Commons compliant? If so, can we have a higher resolution version as well? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 05:04, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

 * The picture’s right is Public domain, and the volume of the original picture is 19.7MB. How can I send the photo? --VisitGwangju (talk) 06:01, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Upload the higher-resolution picture to Wikimedia Commons, just like you did for this one. I like the picture. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:39, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

 * I just worried about the traffic load of Wikimedia Commons, and that was my overcare. --VisitGwangju (talk) 08:16, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Would you like to make a pagebanner from that high-resolution photo? (By the way, you should clean up a dust spot in the middle top, near the top margin.) Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:22, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Please don't worry about overloading commons. That is really not your concern (resource management is the concern of the Commons admins, not the business of anyone else) Andrewssi2 (talk) 10:41, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

 * New banner here. Thoughts? Andrewssi2 (talk) 10:44, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Very good. I'm happy with it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:29, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Brilliant. --VisitGwangju (talk) 23:32, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Hi VisitGwangju - According to a message I received on commons here c:User_talk:Andrewssi2 it seems that image is not valid under copyright rules. If it is your own image can you please fix this, otherwise we will have to revert back to the original banner. Thanks --Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:07, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Districts
User:VisitGwangju put up this "Districts" section. Regardless of whether a city officially has districts, we don't create separate district articles unless there's so much content in the article for the entire city that it risks overwhelming the reader. Karachi is a city of at least 15 million, yet there is only one Wikivoyage article for the city.

Do you anticipate that there will be more than 3 times this much content on Gwangju when you are done adding content? If not, I don't see the point in subdividing it into separate district articles.

In terms of helping visitors orient themselves, it would be fine to add an "Orientation" subsection to "Understand" or "Get around", explaining what the important landmarks and streets are, and mentioning something about the districts that will be important to visitors, but I think things should be kept reasonably simple, for ease in understanding.

Does this make sense? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:33, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

 * I would say that given similar sized destinations in WV, I'd be surprised if Gwangju needed districtifying. Best create districts in User:VisitGwangju's namespace and see how they look... --Andrewssi2 (talk) 07:56, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Organization of "Eat" listings
Right now they are organized by cuisine, which is permitted on this site. However, if there is much difference in price between restaurants within these categories, it might be helpful to organize them by price, too. It's actually most typical to organize first of all by price category, but that's not required. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:04, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Thx for your comment and I agree with your suggestion. How about this format? May it look rough? --VisitGwangju (talk) 02:42, 22 May 2017 (UTC) An Example for Gwangju's food listings.jpg

 * I would suggest ====Budget==== . Basically, since this would be a 3rd-order subdivision of the article, use 4 equals signs, rather than 3. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:38, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Gwynedd

I find my placing of two villages, Betws y Coed and Llanwryst in Gwynedd was incorrect. If they will keep changing local government areas - - -. Is there any way of transferring them to Conway without doing them again? (WT-en) Davidx 11:48, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

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