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Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/January 2010

Archive for Project:Votes for deletion acted on in January 2010. If you can't find the chronicle that interests you here, try Project:Votes for deletion/December 2009 or Project:Votes for deletion/February 2010 for things that may have happened earlier or later, respectively.

Chinatown
This seems like a useless disambiguation. Does Wikivoyage really aim to list EVERY Chinatown in the world? (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 19:22, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
 * No, but we should certainly list the ones for which we have articles. =)  (WT-en) LtPowers 20:08, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Keep. It's an odd disambiguation, but better to have the links than not, both for the odd search and possibly for our own SEO. And actually, this one is a borderline travel topic. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:53, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Delete. The question here is whether this is a true disambiguation, or whether it is just the start of a list of attractions of a particular type.  If it is just a list, which I think it inevitably will be, is it one of true interest to travellers, or is it just a Wikipedia style obsessive list making type of list?  --(WT-en) inas 21:37, 15 July 2009 (EDT)

 * I think Inas is right, and Wikipedia already has a list. See here . Our "Chinatown" page is definitely moving to mirror the Wikipedia page as articles grow and are added (I added some myself to see what it would look like prior to the Wikipedia search). As far as helping the traveller goes, maybe we should give the travellers a little credit. Someone searching for a Chinatown would likely put the city in the search with it. If they don't, and they are just searching in the cosmos for any old Chinatown then I would question the seriousness of their travel plans. If it were made into a travel topic, then what sort of information would we add to make it useful? The name "Chinatown" is probably as good of a description as any. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 01:01, 25 July 2009 (EDT)

 * The wp list contains loads of travel-irrelevant junk. (I've heard rumors that a Baltimore Chinatown did at one time exist, but I'm skeptical of even that.) The current page is more useful (and interesting), since it only links to Chinatowns that we actually cover.

 * Our policy on disambiguation pages gives When destinations share identical names as one of the three cases when such pages can be used. This is clearly such a case—Chinatown is place in NYC as well as a place in Chicago, D.C., etc.  I don't see any reason to delete it—a coherent collection of blue links like that may actually raise our search engine profile with people doing vague google searches for "chinatown".  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 05:08, 25 July 2009 (EDT)

 * As long as we keep it to articles that we actually have, rather than any city that could be said to have a Chinatown, I think this disambiguation page is necessary and useful, just like Downtown. (WT-en) LtPowers 10:06, 25 July 2009 (EDT)

 * I can't believe Wikivoyage has a Downtown disambiguation. A little embarrassing... Even the small town I am from has a "downtown" area. That's about as useful as creating a disambiguation page for McDonalds and listing every city with a McDonalds. So the real rationale for having these pages is to get Wikivoyage on Google? I don't really consider them to be "destinations with the same name" as NYC and Chicago do not have the same name, and certainly "Downtown" is not a "destination". I agree that the pages aren't hurting anything, but they don't seem useful either. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 17:50, 25 July 2009 (EDT)

 * I agree. The downtown article is definitely useless, and verging on plain silly.
 * The suggestion of limiting entries on a disamb page to geographies for which we have an article isn't current policy or practice for disamb pages. If we are going to make a list of Chinatown's, then we should at least aim to be fairly comprehensive.  --(WT-en) inas 20:21, 26 July 2009 (EDT)
 * I think districts are a special case. Yeah, we list redlinks for every community with a particular name on most disambiguation pages, but Chinatown and Downtown are clearly going to be districts; I see no reason we can't restrict those to just the ones for which we have articles.  (WT-en) LtPowers 21:01, 26 July 2009 (EDT)
 * Should we then add all of the districts titled with "East", "North", "South", and "West" to those disambiguation pages? Should "Uptown" get it's own disambiguation? What about "San"? These sorts of disambiguations just seem ridiculous. Travellers shouldn't need babied to such an extent that we create disambiguation pages for non-destinations. Just because someone types "ass" into the search, doesn't mean we need to create a disambiguation page to help them find Assisi.

 * Also, how do we distinguish which we "have articles" for? For example (going back to the Chinatown article): the Philippines entry I added is not Manila/Chinatown however, the page says it's the Chinatown of Manila. The Japan entries are just links to the city pages, because these cities are not large enough for districts, but they have Chinatowns (and they're quite famous). Is this supposed to be a disambiguation page just to list Wikivoyage's travel breakdown (aka: city/Chinatown) or is it a list of actual Chinatowns? I feel like you are suggesting just adding the designated Wikivoyage category breakdowns, but that seems rather arbitrary, because we would then need to delete all the Japan entries and the Philippines entry. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 21:45, 26 July 2009 (EDT)

 * I'd be interested in your reasoning here. For example Sydney has a Sydney/Chinatown article.  This looks like it is going to change to Sydney/City South.  However, Sydney still has and will have always have a Chinatown district, regardless of how we choose to district the city on WT.  If this article is a disamb, we aim to direct people searching for Chinatown to the appropriate district on WT.  Assuming we want a list, why would we want the list to be less than comprehensive? --(WT-en) inas 21:23, 26 July 2009 (EDT)

 * I didn't read LtPowers as saying that only articles called 'Chinatown' would be included on Chinatown. We have coverage for Sydney's Chinatown, whether it's on Sydney/Chinatown or Sydney/City South, so it would belong on the page. In any event, I think again it's more useful to think of this page as partly a travel topic as well. Chinatowns tell an interesting story about the Chinese immigrant experience, one that can be quite interesting to a cultural anthropologist. The more Chinatowns I've seen, the more interesting I find the next one. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 21:58, 26 July 2009 (EDT)

 * I know this is under Chinatown, but concerning Downtown, it would have to work the same way, but that list would be insanely long! Otherwise, as stated for the Chinatown, it simply becomes an archive of Wikivoyage category breakdowns rather than a complete list of cities with "downtowns". I don't see how either of them could be used. Although I don't necessarily feel that Chinatown is a "destination", someone is much more likely to use that page than the "Downtown" page.

 * I certainly don't want to put words into LtPowers keyboard, but As long as we keep it to articles that we actually have, rather than any city that could be said to have a Chinatown, sounds like it would exclude Sydney's Chinatown if there wasn't actually an article for it.
 * I agree that it could make an interesting cultural travel topic. This assumes that someone is going to come along at take it on.  As I (and others) have said before, travel topics work well when someone takes on the initial work of getting them over the usable hurdle, otherwise they will more than likely languish and do the site a disservice.
 * And yes, obviously none of this reasoning applies to downtown. --(WT-en) inas 22:30, 26 July 2009 (EDT)
 * Agreed about Downtown. I'd vote 'delete' on that. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 23:03, 26 July 2009 (EDT)
 * Since this could be converted into a travel topic, I suppose I will revoke my objections against Chinatown. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 00:04, 28 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Keep. Completely valid disambiguation page or even a travel topic, if curated attentively. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 18:09, 25 July 2009 (EDT)
 * Delete. Since it hasn't been receiving attentive curation, it's less useful than simply searching for "Chinatown".  If an enterprising user comes along and decides to make it a true travel topic, they can recreate the page.  - (WT-en) Dguillaime 14:22, 28 July 2009 (EDT)
 * Keep. The given reason for nomination, in my opinion, is completely ridiculous. --(WT-en) GnarlyLikeWhoa 19:21, 29 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Is that a substantive objection? I can see a line reasoning why we would want to build lists of Chinatowns around the world, and I can see a line of reasoning why we would benefit from a travel topic on Chinatowns and how they evolved, and where they are, and I can see a line of reasoning why having an index article to articles we have is a good idea.  We don't quite know which one of these the article is trying to be, but there is some logic behind each of them.  There is also a line of reasoning against each one.  Building lists is best left for Wikipedia obsessives, we don't need it here.  Having a travel topic as a long term stub detracts value from the site.  There are a limited amount of resources, and an infinite number of travel topics are possible - we can't keep them all.  If someone can't push them into usable articles then they should be deleted until someone is willing to step up.  Having index articles as disambiguation article is a good idea, but when the name is so generic, it has little value to guide the traveller.
 * Which of these lines of reasoning do you consider to be "ridiculous", in your opinion? --(WT-en) inas 20:12, 29 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Inas, your comment doesn't make any sense. I considered ridiculous the reason given for the nomination. I agree there are many many different reasons for keeping it, including all the reasons you gave.

 * Do you understand how it may be baffling for me to ingest that last question? I didn't consider any of those reasons you gave to be ridiculous, only the thinking that we can't gather all the Chinatowns in the world. As I've stated on this site recently, this should be the most informative and inclusive site on the internet. To have all the information, or not have all the information, that is the question.

 * Simply deleting an article because it doesn't have all the Chinatowns in the world is not good reasoning.

 * In addition, I wasn't aware I even had to give a reason for my vote. If I do, sorry! Maybe I should have consulted you before I cast my vote for Obama.--(WT-en) GnarlyLikeWhoa 12:27, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
 * It does state above that commments should come with reasons under the "Commenting" header. My argument was not that it should be deleted because they are not all listed; I was questioning whether or not the list itself was useful. Also, once it was mentioned as a travel topic, I had asked what people suggested could be added to make it an informative travel topic. Both have been addressed to varying degrees. The comments may be difficult to follow, because upon mention of "Downtown" as an article, many of my comments (and others) were directed at that. Anyways, as a travel topic it has potential to be interesting, but I do question whether someone will actually make it a travel topic or if it will just remain a list. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 15:47, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
 * Gnarly - the votes for deletion page, is misleading, because it isn't actually just a vote, we are trying to reach a consensus one way or another. The only way that will work is if you try to convince others of your arguments, and you are willing, in turn, to be convinced by them.  Sometimes, when the overwhelming sentiment goes one way, or you are convinced by someone else's arguments, there is not much use for reasons - they are apparent.  But this one is a bit controversial, so substantive arguments and an effort to understand the other points of view get us closer to a consensus.
 * And your question To have all the information, or not have all the information, is right on the money IMO. I'm certainly in favor of not having all the information.  Exhaustive lists is not what I think WT is about. -(WT-en) inas 19:17, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

To revisit this (in the hopes of perhaps reaching a resolution), what is our goal for the Chinatown page? Is this going to list worldwide Chinatowns (which there is a push against) or is this going to be a travel topic? If it is a travel topic, how do you propose preventing it from becoming a large list? (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 02:21, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

 * We're pretty far from any consensus on this one, and it is part of a larger unresolved policy issue of when to disambiguate district articles that should not be resolved on the vfd page (it should be resolved at Project:Disambiguation pages). (If the article were curated as a travel topic, then it would clearly be a valid article, but it is not.)

 * So until we have that discussion, perhaps it would be better to keep for the time being, and copy this discussion to Talk:Chinatown? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:52, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Result: Keep (for now) (WT-en) LtPowers 19:34, 10 January 2010 (EST)

Project:Cultural Expedition
I am bringing this up because of postings on the talk page that were rather unenthusiastic (and posted years ago). Even if it is kept, perhaps calling attention to it here will at least get some other opinions about whether this is a dead idea (which then should be deleted) or whether it is a good idea that just needs more attention. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 21:27, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
 * Even if we do declare it dead, I would recommend simply "deactivating" it rather than deleting the content. We can list it on Project:Expeditions as defunct or inactive.  (WT-en) LtPowers 10:16, 15 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Delete. I'm not yet a card-carrying member of the everything on the wiki muct be kept for posterity club.  This expedition has had no significant updates since it was created, no activity on the actual expedition.  It never took off, was probably never a good idea, has no useful content, and we should blow it away, and move on.  --(WT-en) inas 00:07, 29 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Delete. I agree with Inas, and besides the current format obviously is not working, if resurrected, it would need to be reformulated anyhow - besides the only expedition that really sees any sort of activity is the map making one. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 15:26, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

 * My thought on it is that if we keep it around as inactive, it will better facilitate learning from previous mistakes. If someone goes looking to start a cultural expedition in the future, they can see there once was one and that it had problems, then take steps to avoid them.  (WT-en) LtPowers 16:43, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Keep the article. Merely because the expedition failed to take off does not mean that it meets the criteria for deletion. The page documents an idea that someone had for Wikivoyage. To delete it means we forget our history and are at risk of repeating it. It may be appropriate to reformulate the expedition at some time in the future, or it might give someone ideas to plunge forward and make it work. - (WT-en) Huttite 05:54, 3 November 2009 (EST)

 * If the purpose of keeing this is to show others who may wish to start this expedition again that it is not a good idea, then perhaps it should be transferred to a Failed Expeditions page or something. Keeping it on the expedition page as an expedition means that it is still an operating expedition. Most likely, if someone did try to create a culture page as proposed (ex: Jewish Culture Guide, Japanese Culture Guide, etc.), it would end up a nomination for deletion, because everything listed in the Topic List already has a place in the country/region/city articles. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 15:03, 7 November 2009 (EST)
 * Yes, my suggestion of marking it inactive would presumably include listing it as such on the Expeditions page. (WT-en) LtPowers 16:48, 7 November 2009 (EST)

 * I went ahead and added a section on the Expedition page for "inactive expeditions". Feel free to make changes as you see fit, but there seems to be a consensus that this expedition is not worth keeping, so perhaps this can be archived? (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 18:30, 7 November 2009 (EST)

 * Result -- kept, but transferred to inactive and added a warningbox emphasizing that it's dead.  - (WT-en) D. Guillaime

Transfagarasan
It's just a road. I'm not sure if it's important enough to have its own article, though. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 02:16, 23 November 2009 (EST)
 * Outcome: Deleted. - (WT-en) D. Guillaime 18:05, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Image:Sunset_dinner_cruises_by cinnamon_cruises.jpg
Recognisable people, image uploaded as an advertisement to Hoi An. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 06:57, 29 November 2009 (EST)
 * Delete--(WT-en) Burmesedays 06:57, 29 November 2009 (EST)
 * Delete.

 * Outcome: Deleted. - (WT-en) D. Guillaime 18:05, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Bangkok/Airport
Not an article, but an airport, which even redirects to the wrong page (as it redirects to Bangkok/Phahonyothin, the location of the old airport Don Muang. The new airport Suvarnabhumi is officially in Samut Prakan, but is covered in the Bangkok main article). I don't think airports deserve their own articles, with the exception of O'Hare International Airport ? (WT-en) Globe-trotter 12:25, 30 November 2009 (EST)

 * Delete. The airport exception is only for "huge airports the size of small cities" (O'Hare, Kansai, Heathrow), which definitely doesn't cover Don Muang.  - (WT-en) Dguillaime 14:31, 30 November 2009 (EST)

 * Outcome: Deleted. - (WT-en) D. Guillaime 18:05, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Argkuda
No mention of a place on Wikipedia, and a quick google didn't turn up anything either. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 09:29, 1 December 2009 (EST)

 * Delete I kind of like the name though. :) (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 20:58, 1 December 2009 (EST)

 * Delete - top result on a Gooogle search is Wikivoyage! (WT-en) Tarr3n 09:14, 2 December 2009 (EST)

 * Outcome: Deleted. - (WT-en) D. Guillaime 18:14, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Image:Royston-map.jpg

 * Delete. Photo of map that is most likely copyright.  It is highly unlikely the author obtained permission to re-publish.  --(WT-en) inas 23:35, 1 December 2009 (EST)
 * By placing the map on display in a public place is the copyright owner giving an implicit permission for it to be photographed? Is the photo then a derivative work of the map, in its stand, on the street, with sunlight and shadows on the map and a street scene background. In that case isn't this image an artistic work that could rely on the fair use principle in copyright law to claim a separate copyright by the photographer? That said, I am aware of sculpture artists who had copies of their sculpture photographed and screen printed on tee-shirts that were witdrawn from sale because of the artists objected for copyright reason. My concern is that if we delete this image then it follows that all those other images of signs and maps in public places should probably also be deleted. If it was only a photo of the map, not of the map on the street then I would have said Delete - as it is I am not so sure. - (WT-en) Huttite 06:11, 2 December 2009 (EST)

 * Hmmmm. It is always nice to keep images rather than delete them, and I appreciate we don't want to go down a slippery slope towards deleting more than we have to.
 * However, I think this is clearly a copyvio. Under UK law a photograph of a map in a public place is a copyvio, so too in the US.  Wikimedia commons has a good coverage of the issues involved.  See.
 * I don't think this would qualify as fair use in the US, but even if it did, we don't permit images under a idea of fair use here.
 * I can't see any implied consent. I think if I made copies of the map by photographing this and started selling them on the high street, the council would probably kick up a fuss.  And this is just what I could do under the CC-BY-SA licence the image is under.
 * In fact most map producers like this in the UK would normally be using Ordinance Survey data under a licence, and they would never give permission for it to be freely reproduced. It may not fall within the council's power to even give consent to copy it.
 * If we want to maintain a clean site, with no copyright violations, then we have to delete these things and work around the consequences.   --(WT-en) inas 21:23, 2 December 2009 (EST)

 * Delete. I agree with inas's interpretation of the legal situation (assuming Commons has it right).  But moreover, I can't imagine how this image is useful to us anyway, even if it was legal.  The text on the map is too small to read, making the map pretty useless.  (WT-en) LtPowers 11:35, 3 December 2009 (EST)
 * Ok - Delete - You have removed my uncertainty by explaining your thinking and providing supporting information and factors I had not considered. However, does this set a precedent for photographs of other sorts of signs? - (WT-en) Huttite 04:10, 4 December 2009 (EST)
 * I would say not, as that precedent already exists. Of course, different countries have different rules.  (WT-en) LtPowers 09:45, 4 December 2009 (EST)

 * Outcome: Deleted. - (WT-en) D. Guillaime 18:14, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Nottinghaming
Set up as a re-direct to London. No such place exists. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 00:56, 5 December 2009 (EST)
 * Delete --(WT-en) Burmesedays 00:56, 5 December 2009 (EST)
 * Delete -- for reasons above -- (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 03:26, 5 December 2009 (EST)
 * Delete doesn't exist. (WT-en) jan 03:41, 5 December 2009 (EST)
 * Delete. (WT-en) Globe-trotter 14:12, 6 December 2009 (EST)

 * Outcome: Deleted. - (WT-en) D. Guillaime 18:14, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Stockholm short

 * Delete or Move to talk pages. - Appears to be a clone of Stockholm. I would have speedily deleted it but for the discussion about districts. Suggest it could be used as a planning tool. - (WT-en) Huttite 15:18, 11 December 2009 (EST)

 * Outcome: Deleted. Couldn't figure out why it was there at all....  - (WT-en) D. Guillaime 18:14, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Image:200604240020.jpg
Picture of a hotel, uploaded the wrong place. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 14:29, 14 December 2009 (EST)

 * Outcome: Deleted. - (WT-en) D. Guillaime 18:14, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Kolliani
Cannot find any references to this small Slovakian town --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 14:20, 16 December 2009 (EST)

 * Outcome: Deleted. - (WT-en) D. Guillaime 18:14, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Telom River
Should we keep this as an itinerary (I think not) or redirect to Cameroon Highlands? --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 19:43, 23 December 2009 (EST)

 *  Redirect to Cameron Highlands. Clearly an attraction within the Cameron Highlands and nothing like developed enough to be a useful itinerary. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 14:29, 25 December 2009 (EST)

 * Outcome: Redirected. - (WT-en) D. Guillaime 18:14, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Monticello map

 * Image:MRM map.jpg
 * Image:Monticello Picture2.jpg
 * Image:Monticello Picture3.jpg

All three are copyvios from. More uploads from User:(WT-en) WikiTravel. (WT-en) LtPowers 20:24, 8 November 2009 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 21:13, 31 January 2010 (EST)

Image:IMG 1228.JPG
Recognisable person in photo, uploaded as advertisement. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 16:09, 27 November 2009 (EST)
 * Delete.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 04:56, 29 November 2009 (EST)

 * Outcome: Deleted --(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:48, 30 January 2010 (EST)

Mémorial Charles de Gaulle
Not an article but an attraction. The whole page is also a copyvio and I have marked it as such.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 06:49, 30 November 2009 (EST)
 * Therefore similar content on the contributor's user page must be a copyvio too? The page probably should move/redirect to the location of the memorial, but I cannot tell from the text where in France(?) the memorial is as the location/address is not obvious. - (WT-en) Huttite 07:12, 30 November 2009 (EST)

 * It's in Colombey-les-deux-églises in the Champagne-Ardenne region. The address is 'Route du Mémorial'. It's a very small town apparently (pop. 650), maybe it should be listed in the Get out section of Chaumont, the nearest town of any size. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 07:45, 30 November 2009 (EST)

 * redirect to Chaumont. Leave the user a note asking about the apparent copyvio on the user page. He or she has username "Memorialcharlesdegaulle", so may be authorised to use the text. (WT-en) Pashley 01:40, 10 December 2009 (EST)

 * Outcome: redirected to Chaumont. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:52, 30 January 2010 (EST)

Project:About/

 * Delete, it's spam. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 12:42, 18 January 2010 (EST)
 * Hmm, it's gone already. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 13:27, 18 January 2010 (EST)
 * Outcome - speedied. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:58, 30 January 2010 (EST)

image:KohChangMap.png
This has had a seemingly unresolved query since 2006. Looks very like a copyvio. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:21, 9 January 2010 (EST)
 * TinEye found an almost identical map at http://www.hotel-resort-thailand.com/online_reservation/hotels_reviews/?hotel_id=KG0004 although that one has a logo that is missing from our version, so it's impossible to know which came first. At any rate, the uploader admitted that he didn't create the image, and that he didn't know the copyright status of the image; that makes the likelihood of a copyright violation extremely high.  Delete.  (WT-en) LtPowers 10:54, 9 January 2010 (EST)
 * Delete. If we don't know the proper licensing information, it's best to discard it, regardless of which of those two files came first.  - (WT-en) D. Guillaime 16:27, 10 January 2010 (EST)
 * Delete. Images are guilty until proven innocent. Unknown copyright status is a criteria for deletion. The submission standard is your own work or explicitly licenced. - (WT-en) Huttite 14:44, 12 January 2010 (EST)
 * Outcome: Deleted. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:01, 30 January 2010 (EST)

Kibbutz Geva
This is a Kibbutz and not a travel destination, there is nowhere to sleep or eat for travellers, it should go, (WT-en) ClausHansen 10:36, 22 January 2010 (EST)

 * What about Kibbutz Lohame Hageta'ot, which is also a Kibbutz? --(WT-en) globe-trotter 18:11, 2 February 2010 (EST)

 * Lohame has a restaurant and a hotel, so it might be ok, (WT-en) ClausHansen 11:40, 10 February 2010 (EST)

 * Keep. I don't see any reason why this page should be deleted. Maybe its a bit bit sparse but its a Kibbutz and not a cosmopoliton city, it's still nice to visit and trust me, people do.

There are pages on here which have nothing, for exmaple Day and Grozny. Geva is an idyllic little kibbutz, in a scenic valley surrounded by other kibbutzim, moshavim and even historical sites. Its inbetween the two cities of Afula and Beth Shean(with that the roman site) and about and 45 minutes from Haifa. The kibbutz has been taking volunteers for decades, some of who have remained, starting families, and visitors are always coming to the kibbutz. Not only this but Geva is something of an odity now, having not been privitised. Everything is as it was intended to be, they have not sold out to any companies and still look after their residents. Anyone who has visited the area understands that you would come to visit the valley so wouldnt avoid visiting somewhere just because there is no where to sleep, when theres a chance of seeing something interesting. Roshi08 07:56 22 February (GMT+2)

 * Redirect/Merge with either Alufa or Beth as it is not a valid listing per our policy (no hotel). (WT-en) jan 10:31, 22 February 2010 (EST)

Thomas Read
Delete this article in German about a club, as it is too fine grained. - (WT-en) Huttite 18:00, 16 January 2010 (EST)
 * Deleted (WT-en) jan 08:11, 25 February 2010 (EST)

Wartrail and new england
Delete Duplicate page, seeWartrail and New England --(WT-en) Rein N. 09:50, 17 January 2010 (EST)
 * Redirect. No need to waste time on a deletion discussion.  (WT-en) LtPowers 16:09, 17 January 2010 (EST)
 * Merge and Redirect - I have tagged it as a merge because there appears to be partial content that I don't have time to research at the moment. - (WT-en) Huttite 08:38, 18 January 2010 (EST)
 * Merged and Deleted(WT-en) jan 08:11, 25 February 2010 (EST)

 * Ok its close to Afula and Beth Shean but its not close enough to justify merging it into one of their articles. But I think it is a real shame that people want it deleted. Anyone travelling in Israel is probably going to stop off at a kibbutz at some point and I think that an original kibbutz such as geva reminds people of the kibbutz movement and the shaping of the state of israel. There is one other kibbutz article, it has a hotel i think, but apart from that the article is bare. Give it a chance. Roshi08 06:37 23 February (GMT+2)

 * Keep - make an exception. It is a decent article, an interesting place, and you can sleep there, via volunteering (I am also guessing you could find informal accommodation if you just turned up). In any case, we have made exceptions before, for example we have park articles where there are no organised sleep options. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:05, 23 February 2010 (EST)
 * There are 2 guest rooms. These can go months without anyone staying there, and people won't stay long. Often organized groups (notice given) come and alternative accommodation in the kibbutz is arranged if there are no rooms. As i have said before families often visit, and even families of volunteers are not just expected to sleep in the volunteers rooms. If the vote for deletion is dropped I intend to add more to the article, maybe expand the history for example. I also considered taking a trip to the neighboring kibbutzim and moshavim to investigate further into nearby hotels, guest rooms, bed and breakfasts etc. I'm sure no one would disagree with me when I say that this is not the worst article on wikivoyage =) ---User:(WT-en) Roshi08 09:43, 23 February (GMT+2)

Dhaba

 * Delete - This was tagged as a Vote for Deletion a month ago but has apparently not been listed or voted upon. As far as I can ascertain from a quick google search a Dhaba appears to be a structure where food is consumed, that is owned in India. The word does not appear to be defined in English and the top ranking page is the Wikivoyage article itself. The page is orphaned and not linked from any other Wikivoyage article - (WT-en) Huttite 14:44, 12 January 2010 (EST)
 * Delete Since I Vfd'ed I think I would want it deleted. Came to much the same conclusion. Sorry about forgetting to add it here --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 14:48, 12 January 2010 (EST)
 * Deleted (WT-en) jan 08:13, 25 February 2010 (EST)

Qormi
Gibberish. Intro seems to be about the Qormi Bread Festival in Malta. The rest is rambling info about Nicaragua.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:49, 13 January 2010 (EST)
 * Speedied. Spambot creating multiple nonesense pages. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:56, 13 January 2010 (EST)

 * Keep. The main problem is the conflict with the can you sleep there? policy. But the recent addition of a useful sleep section should, especially in light of the fact that it is a well written and useful article, allow us to keep it. I also generally hate to discourage promising new editors ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 12:54, 23 February 2010 (EST)

 * Keep. As I posted already, if the Votes for deletion thing is taken off I'm going to add new sub categories on alternative sleeping arrangments. There is a Moshav and another Kibbutz ten minutes by foot either way! They both have accomodation and I would add these into the article. I appreciate the positive feeback, but I would rather know if the article is going to be Kept before working on it in more detail. Plus I would be happy to expand the current articles on the North of Israel (where I live) and Scottish Borders (Where I grew Up)! ---(WT-en) Roshi08 07:32, 24 February 2010 (EST)

 * Keep. It appears that the problem with the sleep section will be solved, so I am no longer against keeping it, (WT-en) ClausHansen 07:06, 24 February 2010 (EST)

 * Keep. Ok so it is ok for me to remove the VDF off of my page? Or does it need to be discussed further? (WT-en) Roshi08 07:36, 24 February 2010 (EST)

Roshi: The consensus is in favour of keeping the article, so you can remove the vfd tag on the article. Could you please extend the sleep section with valid accomodation options? I will archive this discussion. (WT-en) jan 07:47, 24 February 2010 (EST)


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Template:Citation needed

 * Speedy delete. I don't see any need for such a template as we don't cite sources or provide footnotes. I'm listing it here just to give the user a day or two's notice. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 19:36, 2 December 2010 (EST)
 * Delete. I'll look into updating the help files to explain this.  --(WT-en) inas 21:40, 2 December 2010 (EST)
 * Project:External links mentions not to use footnotes, but maybe we should expand upon it. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 07:39, 3 December 2010 (EST)

 * Delete Questionable information should either be removed outright or taken to the Talk page for discussion. If we absolutely need to know a source then the Talk page is where the hard evidence can be given. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 15:02, 3 December 2010 (EST)

 * Delete vfd not the place to argue policy on sources. Current policy is that they are not required, therefore this template is redundant. --(WT-en) inas 00:18, 10 December 2010 (EST)

 * I wasn't meaning to argue policy. Users have requested such proof on the talk page before. It's current practice and sometimes the only fair way to settle fact disputes. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 04:08, 10 December 2010 (EST)

 * Agreed. --(WT-en) inas 04:32, 11 December 2010 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:15, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Azerbaijan in 5 Days

 * Delete Can someone else just confirm that these articles are just to make you do a tour of specific cafes/restaurants, and aren't really itineraries at all? --(WT-en) inas 19:13, 9 December 2010 (EST)
 * Keep. Created by a reasonably well-established Wikivoyager, who has done plenty of good work in good faith on articles around the globe, and it's beyond the outline threshold.  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 09:42, 12 December 2010 (EST)
 * Okay. --(WT-en) inas 17:19, 12 December 2010 (EST)

 * Keep - I do find it odd that your first meal in Azerbaijan is actually Lebanese and that the first two nights' dinners are at the same place (Also wonder why you automatically get sent to Georgia at the end of your trip), but there seems enough to sketch out each day and be potentially useful. (WT-en) Texugo 22:18, 12 December 2010 (EST)

 * Keep also. Texugo, Georgia might actually be a good place to send a traveler to end a stay in Azerbaijan.  If I read this correctly, there are over 70 countries, whose citizens do not need a visa to enter or stay in Georgia for up to a year.  According to our Caucasus article, the border between Azerbaijan and Armenia are closed for obvious reasons and I imagine it would be difficult and dangerous for travelers to head into Iran (Tehran has, after all, arrested Americans hikers in Iraq for "entering" Iran illegally and being spies).  But, I refer this to others with more experience than I in the Caucasus.  Peter, do you  have any insight? -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 15:58, 13 December 2010 (EST)
 * Not saying that it isn't a logical choice to continue on by land, just thought it was weird that it was presented as an obvious only choice. The article doesn't tell you where to enter Azerbaijan from. Why should it deal with where you go afterwards? (WT-en) Texugo 22:03, 14 December 2010 (EST)

Result: Kept. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:15, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Lake Oku
Article for a body of water in Cameroon that is so small it doesn't even have a Wikipedia article.
 * Delete, or if Google Maps would behave I might suggest a redirect. (WT-en) Texugo 20:22, 13 December 2010 (EST)
 * Delete. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:35, 29 December 2010 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:15, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Kalugur
Can't find any information on this place or the alternate name suggested.
 * Delete, or redirect if someone can find an appropriate place to redirect. - (WT-en) Texugo 20:22, 13 December 2010 (EST)
 * Redirect to Karur (man, was that obscure). --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:41, 29 December 2010 (EST)

Result: Redirected to Karur. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:15, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Kesariya
A stupa, and hence only an attraction, which has no place to stay. Usually visited by daytrip buses from Patna and perhaps other places? The article text was all copyvio from http://www.buddhist-temples.com/bihar/kesaria-stupa.html, which I removed.
 * Redirect to Patna? (Is there a closer destination for which we have an article?) - (WT-en) Texugo 20:31, 13 December 2010 (EST)

Result: Redirected to Patna. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:15, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Airport Security

 * Delete Redirect to Tips for flying per Peter. While this might be a valid travel article for someone interested in writing one, the current article is a copyvio.  Additionally, general preference is to add information on travel topics to existing articles (in this case Tips for flying) and split it out only after discussion and a consensus that a separate article is warranted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:23, 18 December 2010 (EST)

 * Delete Tips for flying doesn't look very useful, but this is definitely not necessary. Airport security is extremely simple to get through and they will quickly correct you if you are not doing it correctly. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 21:29, 18 December 2010 (EST)

 * Delete Redirect to Tips for flying per Peter. A blatant copyvio originally written with a somewhat patronising tone and from a quite myopic cultural standpoint. It is an appallingly US centric viewpoint and has been placed on WT by someone who apparently has their vision limited to that available from within the socio-political boundaries and cognitive limitations of the United States of America. Absolute rubbish, get rid of it. As (WT-en) Ryan hints, airport and airline security issues should be dealt with as a topic within Tips for flying rather than an article in it's own right. Let this highly subjective GWOT inspired compliance inducing nonsense get treated as it should be, as a topic within a bigger picture. WT should not promote this sort of naive, myopic and culturally filtered content as being of worth or value to travellers. (WT-en) felix 09:40, 19 December 2010 (EST)

 * Delete - if just to be rid of the patronizing tone. Who writes this junk? (I feel strongly about this) (WT-en) PerryPlanet Talk 10:32, 19 December 2010 (EST)
 * P.S. Ironically, I'm writing this from the airport! And the advice in said article didn't seem too applicable... (WT-en) PerryPlanet Talk 10:33, 19 December 2010 (EST)

 * Speedy redirect to Tips for flying. Since the content is merely ranting + advice from Captain Obvious, in addition to being a copyvio, there is no need to merge. (Speedy because copyvio.) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:17, 21 December 2010 (EST)

Result: Redirected to Tips for flying. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:15, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Los Palos
Speedily delete. Nonsense. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Roundtheworld (talk • contribs)

 * Keep. I deleted the nonsense and moved it to Lospalos, which is the correct name of the East Timor town (it is often misspelled as Los Palos). --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:31, 29 December 2010 (EST)

Result: Kept. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:45, 14 January 2011 (EST)

Crimean war
Speedy delete Not a valid travel article topic. An adolescent rant. Content removed, now an empty article. (WT-en) felix 09:23, 14 January 2011 (EST)
 * Speedy deleted! Thanks, Felix for catching up. (WT-en) jan 10:23, 14 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Speedy deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:48, 14 January 2011 (EST)

Easington Lane
Speedy delete Not a valid travel article topic. An adolescent construct. Content removed, now an empty article. (WT-en) felix 09:35, 14 January 2011 (EST)
 * Done (WT-en) jan 10:25, 14 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Speedy deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:48, 14 January 2011 (EST)

Image:1.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image, and it is an advertisement for a hotel, something we typically discourage. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:0941a.jpg

 * Delete. This is an orphaned image that is a duplicate (albeit in a smaller size) of Image:0941.jpg. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:100 0238.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image of what appears to be a breakwall.  It's poor quality, and without some indication of where it was taken I fail to see how it could ever be incorporated into an article. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:100 1064.JPG

 * Delete. Orphaned image, and it's of such poor quality that I don't know what it's supposed to be showing.  In addition, the caption indicates it was uploaded to promote a hotel, something we typically discourage. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:100 0876.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image, and it is an advertisement for a hotel, something we typically discourage.  The same user also uploaded Image:100 1759.jpg and Image:100 1734.jpg. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:100 1734.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image, and it is an advertisement for a hotel, something we typically discourage.  The same user also uploaded Image:100 0876.jpg and Image:100 1759.jpg. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:100 1759.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image, and it is an advertisement for a hotel, something we typically discourage.  The same user also uploaded Image:100 0876.jpg and Image:100 1734.jpg. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Images from Special:Contributions/(WT-en) Espace dali

 * Image:100 1103.JPG
 * Image:Musée ESPACE DALI St goeorges 3.jpg
 * Image:Musée ESPACE DALI licorne 3 ED.jpg
 * Image:Musée ESPACE DALI interieur ED.jpg
 * Image:Plan ESPACE DALI ED.jpg

 * Delete. These are all orphaned thumbnail images that appear to be copyvios from http://www.daliparis.com/pratique-espace-dali.html. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:100 1489.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image, and it is an advertisement for a cottage rental, something we typically discourage. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:100 1896.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image of recognizable people with no model release provided. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:100 MG 8026-2b.jpg & Image:MG 8026-2b.jpg

 * Delete. These are duplicate orphaned images, uploaded (apparently) to promote a business, something we typically discourage. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:124 2401.JPG

 * Delete. Orphaned image, and it is an advertisement for a B&B, something we typically discourage. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:125.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image that was uploaded to promote a specific hotel in Barbados, something we typically discourage. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:13951395.jpg & Image:The Prince on Koh Samet.jpg

 * Delete. These are duplicate orphaned images of a drawn figure.  There is no indication that they are original works or that they can be re-licensed CC-SA, so are suspect as copyvio. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:149152 1598379452399 1623405175 1395043 4376251 n.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image of a recognizable individual with no model release provided. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:16 Mai House .jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image that is a duplicate of Image:Mai House.jpg. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:21Skyline.jpg.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image that is a duplicate of Image:21Skyline.jpg. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:19, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:22032008571.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image of a recognizable individual with no model release provided. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:19, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:243.JPG

 * Delete. Orphaned image of a detailed view of a bike frame.  No relevance to travel. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:19, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:25.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned thumbnail promoting a specific hotel, something we typically discourage. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:19, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:269516pic1.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image of a recognizable individual with no model release provided. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:19, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:272177727 c678819f7b.jpg

 * Delete. Orphaned image of a tree.  Unless someone sees a reason to incorporate this into an article, policy dictates that it should be deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:19, 1 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:58, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Image:A4A.jpg

 * Delete. Pure advertising.  – (WT-en) D. Guillaime 17:48, 9 January 2011 (EST)
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:37, 9 January 2011 (EST)
 * Delete. Absurd and quite blatant advertising material (WT-en) felix 14:41, 10 January 2011 (EST)
 * Speedy deleted - (WT-en) Texugo 16:32, 10 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Speedy deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:01, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Ramsgate's Royal Harbour
Page developed by new contributor unaware of Wikivoyage rules. Contents now removed and merged into Ramsgate. (WT-en) Shep 01:14, 21 January 2011 (EST)
 * Redirect for attribution purposes. (WT-en) LtPowers 08:50, 21 January 2011 (EST)

Ol Doinyo Lengai
This is currently a redirect to Tanzania, where I don't even think it's given mention. Even if it is, surely there is a real location to redirect it to that is a little more specific than "Tanzania". If there is not, then either this should become an article or be deleted until someone with more knowledge makes it an article or finds a town/city article to place it in. Redirecting it to Tanzania is nothing more than a geography lesson, completely useless for a traveler. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 19:30, 15 January 2011 (EST)
 * Looking at Google Maps, it appears to be in Ngorongoro Conservation Area, but it's not even mentioned there either. (WT-en) Sumone10154 20:56, 15 January 2011 (EST)
 * So redirect there? (WT-en) Pashley 21:03, 15 January 2011 (EST)
 * It is a volcano in Tanzania, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ol_Doinyo_Lengai It is in Ngorongoro conservation area and redirecting there seems a reasonable option Last eruption 1966. • • • (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 13:05, 16 January 2011 (EST)

 * That redirect seems much better than the general redirect to the nation's article. Let's just make sure it's given mention in the article so that we don't run into the same issue later. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 17:59, 16 January 2011 (EST)

 * Ok I redirected it (WT-en) Sumone10154 17:10, 21 January 2011 (EST)

Paradiso
Article about the somewhat famous music venue in Amsterdam, directly copied from Wikipedia:Paradiso (Amsterdam). There are other geographic uses of the term (see Wikipedia:Paradiso) so simply redirecting to the city district where the venue is located (Amsterdam/Canal Ring) might not be the best idea. Delete? (WT-en) Eco84 23:16, 1 January 2011 (EST)
 * Delete - I'm sure thousands of restaurants, clubs, venues, and hotels across the Spanish speaking world have this as at least part of their name. (WT-en) Texugo 04:33, 2 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:08, 23 January 2011 (EST)

Image:Route 58 into Emerald Isle.jpg
The image features an identifiable person and it really isn't appealing as a from-the-highway shot. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 15:24, 8 January 2011 (EST)
 * Delete - Agreed. (WT-en) Texugo 19:46, 8 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:08, 23 January 2011 (EST)

Template:Weather box

 * Delete. This template is currently broken, and the purpose for which it appears to have been created is already fulfilled by Template:Climate. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:50, 8 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:08, 23 January 2011 (EST)

Tonle Sap lake boat trip

 * Delete. This is an advertisement for a tour company and thus doesn't meet the Project:What is an article criteria.  The contributor did add some useful information to the Tonle Sap Lake article, so rather than a purely promotional contribution I think this article is just a misunderstanding of what is appropriate content for Wikivoyage. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:05, 28 January 2011 (EST)
 * Speedy deleted - (WT-en) Texugo 22:50, 28 January 2011 (EST)

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/


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Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/January 2012

Image:Jesus is lord.jpg

 * Speedy delete. Not travel related, likely copyvio, and based on the image description text this may be a scam. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:50, 13 January 2012 (EST)

 * Speedy delete. Seconded. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 20:05, 13 January 2012 (EST)

Result: Speedy deleted. I should have looked at the file date - didn't realize that this was a recent upload and that there was no need for a nomination. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:12, 13 January 2012 (EST)

Image:Louisville-skyline1.jpg
I suspect this was taken from this website. The Wayback Machine shows a version from 2002 that includes the image, predating the upload here by four years. (WT-en) LtPowers 21:44, 1 January 2012 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:33, 17 January 2012 (EST)

Windsurfing

 * Delete. Could be a useful travel topic if fleshed out, but this one-liner dictionary entry has nothing to salvage.  -- (WT-en) D. Guillaime 01:52, 27 December 2011 (EST)
 * Keep. It is a legitimate topic, and a brand new article just started in the last few days. If the contributor who started it fleshes it out, great. If not, leave it in hopes it will attract a writer or five. (WT-en) Pashley 02:09, 27 December 2011 (EST)
 * Keep. While possibly the weakest article on the site ;), it is a legitimate topic, and as such, should be given a year to develop per Project:Deletion_policy. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 05:39, 27 December 2011 (EST)
 * Delete. If the bleedin' obvious is removed, the existing article has no content.  I thought the keep for a year policy was developed as a sword - to allow us to cut down stub travel topics and itineraries rather than having undeveloped articles hanging around forever.  It seems strange to see it being used as a shield to keep otherwise contentless articles.  --(WT-en) Inas 19:19, 8 January 2012 (EST)
 * The deletion policy is quite clear on this—keep stub/outline itineraries for a year. There are 7 reasons to delete as outlined in that article, and this doesn't strike me as an unusual case that would require more thought than just applying the policy as written. "Really bad articles," which this article presently is, are explicitly mentioned as something that should not be deleted (provided they do not fall into the 7 reasons above) so that they have the opportunity to develop, as Pashley says. As you know, I mostly show up on this page to make sure the deletion policy is strictly followed—I have no attachment to the article topic ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:18, 9 January 2012 (EST)
 * If someone adds a bad line of text to an existing article, we revert without a second thought. Someone adds the same line to a new article, we keep it for a year, and cite a policy which was developed to help us get rid of underdeveloped articles.  Hmmm.
 * We have a vfd page because these things aren't always clear-cut, and need some interpretation. You're voting in favour of keeping what you said is the weakest article on the site.  I'm voting to delete it.  In a year, we'll agree :-) --(WT-en) Inas 23:57, 9 January 2012 (EST)
 * I don't see any room for interpretation, when the policy directly and explicitly defines what to do in this case. Don't like it, start a discussion to change it. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:36, 10 January 2012 (EST)
 * I'm not sure if you don't understand what I am saying, or if you get it and disagree, so I'll try and be clear for completeness, and then drop it.
 * I understand your interpretation of our policy. However, I think the policy you are quoting guides us what to do with an article which remains an outline after 12 months, but doesn't effect our decision making prior to this point.  The policy was created as sword, to guide us when to delete, and not a shield for articles that would otherwise be valid candidates for deletion.
 * So while I see the basis for your interpretation, I'm not yet convinced by it. --(WT-en) Inas 00:59, 10 January 2012 (EST)
 * Yes, I understand that the 12 month bit doesn't mean that we shouldn't delete itineraries or travel topics prior to that expiration date, provided there is a deletion rationale. As far as I can tell, the argument for deletion here is that it is a bad article, but the deletion policy explicitly rules out that argument: "Really bad articles. Sometimes articles are a sloppy mess, or just a bunch of notes and ideas. These articles should be improved rather than deleted." --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:59, 10 January 2012 (EST)
 * Okay, I'll take it to the discussion page. --(WT-en) Inas 17:11, 10 January 2012 (EST)
 * Keep. Quite apart from the policy discussion you guys are having, look at the article now. Do you still want to delete it? I don't. Clearly, not only was it susceptible to good edits, but some good editing has already occurred. I can see no good reason whatsoever to delete the article, regardless of the policy discussion. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 08:20, 11 January 2012 (EST)
 * "susceptible to good edits" indeed!  :-) --(WT-en) Inas 17:20, 12 January 2012 (EST)

 * Keep - I've indeed added some info to make it a viable outline article, as I too think it's a legitimate subject. I think it's now fine to stay and hopefully be developed further by other users. (WT-en) Justme 09:10, 11 January 2012 (EST)

Result: Kept. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:50, 21 January 2012 (EST)

Images from Special:Contributions/(WT-en) Yaxkinspa

 * Image:DSC 4993W.jpg
 * Image:IMG 0815.jpg
 * Image:DSC03351 2.jpg
 * Image:DSC03315 2.jpg

 * Delete all. The first image shows up in a number of web searches and is "copyright Eric Schnabel" with no indication that he was the uploader.  The last two are orphaned and look commercial. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:51, 13 January 2012 (EST)
 * Delete all - I agree. (WT-en) Justme 06:57, 25 January 2012 (EST)

Result: Deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:25, 27 January 2012 (EST)