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Talk:Đakovica

This is town real name per wikipedia all other relevant sources. --(WT-en) Blurey 18:15, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Łódź

A Brief History of Lodz
Rather than have a dull negative view of Lodz, which does have an interesting history, I thought I'd take a few bits of it's past and add it here in the UNDERSTAND section. I used some of what Huttite wrote, and simply reedited some things I found online which I find to be true about Lodz. It, too me, seems preferable to writing it's a dull grey uninteresting city of death... Because it's not. I want to write more about art and culture and film and nightlife later, perhaps in other sections. Comments. (WT-en) khrystene 12:24am 30 Dec 2005 CET

Negativity
I'd like to know who wrote this "Lodz has never been beautiful" etc, over and over again. There is beauty in Lodz, even if not immediately evident. THere's a plethora of 18th C architecture and the arts scene is amazing... not to mention film...

It may not be the oldest city in Poland, but then again, Warszawa was mostly rebuilt after WWII so only the Praga side of the Wistula remains it's 'actual' age.

As for beggars, there are beggars EVERYwhere in Europe and around the world for that matter... I don't think it's isolated in Lodz.

'cough' (WT-en) Khrystene 19:21, 28 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * If you think its wrong then please plunge forward and make it more positive. Please... -- (WT-en) Huttite 19:30, 28 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * PLUNGING as we speak/type (WT-en) Khrystene

 * Beggars and Safety

I mentioned beggars in the stay safe section, beacuse robbery and theft is an important issue in a city that has a high unemployment rate of nearly 13% (In 2003) (2004 statistics are not yet avaliable from the Central Statistical Office, which keeps records for the Polish government) I don't deny that beggars can be found elsewhere or that some cities have a higher number of beggars than others, but I found this to be an important issue to address

The most important statistics for the city that relate to staying safe are the following:

Crime/ Number of incidents

 * Theft/ 13,845
 * Burgulary/ 12,137
 * Robbery/Theft by assault or criminal coercion/ 2,482
 * Assault/ 291

(WT-en) Sapphire 21:50, 3 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Of course there are beggars and theft and other things associated with poverty, however after having lived there and (in comparison) in Sydney, Australia, I would suggest that the average visitor would have to be as careful in Lodz as in any large city anywhere. The tone of the comment was rather overly negative in my personal view, which is why I questioned it. Lodz has always had a 'bad rap' for various reasons, and I don't think that being scared when you get to Lodz is a good idea. Moscow these days is incredibly frightening according to friends who have been there, and yet, many many people still go there as it's an interesting city. The best idea is to have a few coins in your pocket in case you're hassled by beggars. The tragedy is, that without more work (and tourism can provide lots of work opportunities), there will continue to be many very poor people and thus REAL beggars in Lodz. (WT-en) khrystene 11:39 4 Jan 2006 (CET)

Photo, Galeria Lodzka, Orbis Grand Hotel
Khrystene, would you possibly be able get a photo of Lodz so we can place it in the article?

I figure you're the one that added the info for Galeria Lodzka. I've been searching for information for this place, but whereas my Polish is very subpar I was unable to find anything except the name of the place, which is in a photograph with myself and friends. Could you possibly find a website for this mall?

Also, do you know of a website for the Orbis Grand Hotel and a phone number? Thanks - (WT-en) Sapphire 16:38, 4 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Re: Photo's, yes I probably could get some from my own files, but it will take time. (WT-en) khrystene

Help
Can someone help me figure out why the photo is not loading on the article? Thanks (WT-en) Sapphire 04:32, 2 April 2006 (EDT)

Why?
Why was this article reverted to the version from two months ago, effectively removing all the fixes by me and some other people? (WT-en) CandleWithHare 10:45, 4 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Actually nothing was "reverted", however, you're right some of your changes were removed. It appears when I updated the article I copy and pasted the entire article back in and not just the part that I had worked on.  I'll fix it later.  -- Sapphire
 * It looks exactly like an old version and that's why I'm calling it a revert. Anyway, I've restored the last good version for now. (WT-en) CandleWithHare 12:26, 4 October 2006 (EDT)
 * No, there were some big changes especially with listings and a huge amount of research went into finding phone numbers, addresses, and websites. I had meant to only copy and paste the See - Sleep sections but I apparently forgot and in the process restored the old version of Understand - Get around and Stay safe. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 13:00, 4 October 2006 (EDT)

Rename this article?
Should this be renamed to Łódź per Project:Article naming conventions? -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 11:29, 7 December 2006 (EST)
 * Yes, Sapphire, you're completely right and, might I add, a genius. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 15:30, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Geez, thanks. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 15:30, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

 * However your Polish typing skills are a bit dodgy. ;) -(WT-en) Todd VerBeek 15:36, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

 * I hope you're not questioning my geniusness. 8) -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 15:47, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

Article layout
I'm glad others have taken the time to make this one of the better entries on wikivoyage, but its format differs from all of the others I've seen and is rather hard to navigate as familiar features in this unique format are in different places. In my opinion, the different look adds very little to the article, in fact it could be argued that it detracts from an otherwise impressive effort. It took a while to find this section so I could add this quick note. Again, it's a nice entry - I've learned quite a bit about Lodz and look forward to paying a visit - but could we just keep this article in the standard wiki format, please? I don't know how to revert to the usual format (or how someone got it to look like this in the first place) or I'd do it myself.

 * This is one of the better entries? I wouldn't go that far.  Anyhow, yes, I agree the design and somewhat unusual use of bold lettering should be improved.  I'll try and get to it later today, or Monday.  By the way, when are you planning to visit?  I recommend rereading the guide sometime around mid-October when I should have more information in this article. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 07:04, 19 August 2007 (EDT)

Internet Cafe del Mondo
I do not live in Lodz, BUT I was at 55 Piotrkowska Str. yesterday and there is no trace of an internet cafe. The actual building of 55 Piotrkowska Str. seems to be an outlet. The Skydiving Cafe is fine though, so I moved it up and changed the description of Cafe Del Mondo. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 157.25.164.10 (talk • contribs) 11:58, 21 July 2010

 * I have removed the listing based on your report. Please update and add it back if you can find any trace of that place, though. – (WT-en) Vidimian 09:24, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

Camerimage
the festival has been moved to Bydgoszcz so i think that we should remove info from page.(WT-en) JakubPiotr 14:16, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

 * Instead of deleting it outright, it may be better to move it to Bydgoszcz article—please plunge forward! – (WT-en) Vidimian 15:24, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
 * Done (hope that I done it properly] (WT-en) JakubPiotr 20:33, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
 * Yeap, no problems as far as I can see. – (WT-en) Vidimian 20:36, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

Double listings
We generally don't list places twice so I'm not sure how to proceed with places like Karol Scheibler's Palace/Film Museum and White Factory/Textile Museum. I think they should be kept only in Museums section.

Another thing is Manufaktura - one of the city focal points, 19th century factory turned shopping centre with cinemas, restaurants, a museum (or two) and a hotel - listed in basically every section of the article. I was thinking of creating new subsection under See: Industrial heritage and putting there Manufaktura, Księży Młyn (another large abandoned factory planned for 'revitalisation'), EC1 (not yet in the article, cultural centre in an old powerplant) and OFF Piotrkowska (gentrified hipster hub with bars, shops, ateliers etc. in, yes, you guessed, old factory). Thoughts? Jjtkk (talk) 08:32, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

 * We could describe the industrial heritage it in general in an article and use markers to help travellers locate the main points of heritage. I believe that Manufaktura is so huge that every type of attraction (shopping centre, particular restaurants, the cinema, the hotel, the museum) could use a separate POI, and now with marker clustering displaying those should not be a problem.
 * I did mention the issue of some places having double nature (e.g. a "see" historic building you may want to just, well, see from the outside that also has a "do" or "buy" or "drink" role) and that we should be able to invoke a specific marker / number more than once sometimes ago in either the Pub or the Dynamic Maps expedition, but was brushed off. I still believe there was merit in it. PrinceGloria (talk) 09:10, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Learn and Work
If either of these sections have things that a traveller can easily do short term, feel free to restore those things to the article (with more details). Otherwise, I'm putting this stuff here below. Texugo (talk) 22:10, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Learn

 * The School of Polish for Foreigners in the University of Łódź - Offers courses in Polish for periods of one month, five months, and two nine month programs.
 * The School of Polish for Foreigners in the University of Łódź - Offers courses in Polish for periods of one month, five months, and two nine month programs.

Work
Numerous international companies have operations in Lodz, since Łódź is the third largest city in Poland and has a high amount of technically skilled labor.

Native speakers of English, German, French, Spanish and Italian can usually easily find a job in one of many language schools in the city. EU nationals will find this process easiest.

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Talk:Žilina

removed Entry "By Bus" as Albus-Bratislava does not exist any more.

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Talk:Cabarete

Edit Wars
Extreme Hotel and Swell Surf Camp seem to be engaged in a long-running edit war to degrade each other's listings. This is a breach of a key tenet of Project:Don't tout so I've removed both. They're welcome to work out their differences on this talk page, but if either listing is restored without discussion I'd suggest blacklisting. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:17, 7 February 2010 (EST)

 * Both have now been blacklisted after being re-added without first discussing. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:41, 8 March 2010 (EST)

 * Just to re-iterate, based on past edit wars both of these establishments should be excluded from this article until there is some evidence provided that their business practices don't reflect their past wiki behavior, otherwise these clearly aren't businesses we want on Wikivoyage. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:03, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

Address Info
It should be made clear that there are many apartment complexes and "resorts" (I use the word in quotes because there are actually only two resorts in Cabarete) that have completely separate businesses located on nearby property. Since addresses are not the same as they are in developed countries, many small businesses have to use larger businesses as a reference point or as their address. If you google many places in Cabarete, the directions will say something like: make a left at the big tree. Even Google My Business has a very hard time verifying businesses in Cabarete because there is no way to receive a postcard at a "business address." So although it might seem like there are several items being added to one "resort" often that is not the case. This is not always true, since a few hotels do have "in-house" restaurants, but more often than not they are separate entities with totally separate owners. —The preceding comment was added by SocialZealot (talk • contribs)
 * Thanks for explaining. I appreciate that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:46, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for understanding --SocialZealot (talk) 05:32, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Cabbage Key

This place could be called Cabbage Cay or Cabbage Key - What is right? -- (WT-en) Huttite 19:05, 25 Dec 2005 (EST)

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Talk:Cabo da Roca

I think this cape would better be listed under Sintra or Cascais (or even Colares). (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 05:11, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

 * I'd agree, I don't think we could ever have a "sleep" listing for Cabo da Roca. I believe the proper guide to merge this into is Sintra. User:Texugo, User:LtPowers? PrinceGloria (talk) 05:48, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

 * I agree this seems more like an attraction than a community, but it has nothing to do with whether or not there is lodging available. Powers (talk) 12:53, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

 * There truly isn't. PrinceGloria (talk) 19:34, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

 * And I'm telling you, that's irrelevant. If it's the type of place where one would expect to find lodging available, then we would say that there's none to be found in the Sleep section. If it's not that type of place, then it should be an attraction listing. Powers (talk) 17:47, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Cabo Pulmo

for some reason it showed up but not in the right format. does anyone know what i put to make it right? (WT-en) Gullsofpeace 10:21, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
 * looks a little better now? (WT-en) Gullsofpeace 10:32, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
 * but one thing i have no clue why its showing up is a outline guide for this page??? (WT-en) Gullsofpeace 10:33, 20 October 2009 (EDT) glitch for me or something idk. (WT-en) Gullsofpeace 10:33, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
 * ok its gone must have been my fault again sorry. (WT-en) Gullsofpeace 10:33, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Cabo San Lucas

Dear Sir and Madam,

You need to warn the travelers about the timeshare sharks at the Cabos San Lucas Airport. Don't talk to them, just head striaght to the bus or rent a vehicle. They will try to give you a "free" taxi ride if you agree to listen to their timeshare promotion. Once you attend there, it's almost impossible to get out of it. They'll try to trap you!!

 * Plunge forward and include the warning in a "Stay Safe" section, which you can create before "Get out." (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 01:37, 18 December 2011 (EST)

Promotional language
We need to turn down some of the promotional language in this article, see Project:Don't tout for details. --(WT-en) Evan 12:53, 3 November 2006 (EST)
 * Concur with this, but note that many entries still reek of promos. The date of Evan's original comment indicates many entries may also now have factual errors.  Regrets, am unqualified to correct them.   Hennejohn (talk) 17:11, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Hierarchy
I suggest that we make a Los Cabos region article with articles for Cabo San Lucas proper, San Jose del Cabo. Stuff in "the Corridor" could go in the Los Cabos region article or in a city article of its own. --(WT-en) Evan 13:02, 3 November 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Cañon City

Region
I created this article as a way to remove the Lost Paddle Rafting link from the Colorado article (individual rafting companies aren't really appropriate at the state level) without removing the company's info from Wikivoyage entirely. I've got no idea if this town is actually in South Central Colorado, so hopefully someone who knows the state better could move it if I've put it in the wrong region. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:22, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Cadaques

travellers mix
I've restored the removed notice on travellers mix: "Travellers mix: majority are French; some Italians; no Russians."

I believe travellers mix is useful globally in wikivoyage, and Cadaques is no exception. Useful at least for the following reasons: --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 04:28, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * many people don't like to travel to places there are lots of compatriots
 * for some people, understanding what other nationals are most frequent give an extra understanding of how the place feels.

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Talk:Cádiz

Advertising removed
I took something out that seemed like advertising, but I added the street address to the others.

car park
while planing my trip, I'm missing this type of info. Any good hints?

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Talk:Caen

mainly a translation of some parts of the french version. Considering where to eat/drink/sleep, maybe we should have a selection of english-speaking businesses? (even if most are) (WT-en) Toitoine 15:05, 9 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Hotels
Text removed from D-Day beaches:

Hotels in Caen
 * Bw Le Dauphin
 * Holiday Inn Caen City Centre
 * Ibis Caen Centre
 * Best Western Relais des Gourmets
 * Novotel - Caen
 * Mercure Caen Centre Plaisance
 * Ibis Caen Centre Paul Doumer
 * Bw Hotel Moderne
 * Otelinn Hotel Caen
 * 13 la Ferme de la Ranconniere

Promote to Guide status?
What does it take to promote this article to Guide? /Yvwv (talk) 00:18, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Quite a lot at first glance. Every section from 'Buy' onwards needs more listings, and the listings we have are not well-developed. 'Get around' is barebones. The D-Day Beaches are away from Caen with their own article; they could be moved to 'Go next' or even under a 'Nearby' section.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:46, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Caernarfon

Great start! Very good info an nice style too. (WT-en) Majnoona

Is it reasonable to say that Caernarfon is easily accessed by train when the town doesn't have a mainline station? Altfish (talk) 22:22, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you're right to question that - 'reasonably accessible' (via Bangor) might be better. --Nick talk 01:08, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Cagayan de Oro

Adult oriented nightlife
Nightlife links are OK at Wikivoyage as long as they don't conflict with the Project:Sex tourism policy. The gay bar in question appears to be a go-go bar type place, which following the precedent of Bangkok is allowed. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:20, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

 * I have read the policy on adult oriented links and find it reasonable. However in the case of Cagayan de Oro City especially in the Philippines, there has been efforts to rid of the sex image. Placing links to these type of bars does not help at all.  In fact the first gay bar in the city was almost closed due to complaints from concern citizens.  Personally I do not want my city to be known as such because of one single adult website.  I hope you reconsider your web policy based on our local concerns.  thanks

 * At Wikivoyage, The traveller comes first, and some travellers are gay and would like to know about gay bars. If you object to the existence of that gay bar, then please campaign against it in your city, but don't try to pretend on Wikivoyage that it doesn't exist. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:23, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

This person is living in the 1950's! Homophobia is a menace and needs to be highlighted. I wish to see my Boyfriend in Cagayan De oro and avisit to that club would be nice.

Trying to pretend that adult theme clubs do not exist is confirmation of lack of maturity of a minority.

bottom of page
where it says get out their is some link to some hotel wt??? --72.73.92.237 23:09, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Malasag House
Anyone want to write more about The Malasag House? It's really a special place with the most stunning view in Cagayan de Oro.

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Promote to Guide status?
What does it take to promote this article to Guide? /Yvwv (talk) 00:18, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

 * I made a quick pass, found & fixed some minor grammar errors. I suspect there are more.
 * I replaced 2015 population figure with 2020. Are other things out of date?
 * Some Eat & most Sleep listings lack co-ordinates. Pashley (talk) 08:20, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Caherconnell Stone Fort

Attraction?
I am thinking this is an attraction and information should be added to Burren and/or County Clare. Comments? - (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 12:34, 28 April 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Cahokia

Reasons for creating this redirect page: For tourists, the World Heritage Site is the meaning of Cahokia they would have. There is a nearby town named Cahokia and a township in another part of Illinois, but neither have substantial tourist appeal. The Wikipedia page for the World Heritage Site is named simply "Cahokia". (WT-en) Bill in STL 13:37, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Cahokia Mounds State Historic Site

Comments
This has turned into a really great article. One concern I have, however, is that we typically allow businesses to be listed in only one article, so the "Sleep" and "Eat" listings in this article should probably be removed. Typically with parks, if there's nothing within the park border we simply provide pointers to nearby places that do have options - see for example Yosemite National Park, which offers pointers to the nearest towns with lodging. I'd actually also be interested in a bit more history about this location - why was it such a large settlement and why is it so different from other archaeological sites - but otherwise it seems to have great coverage of the destination. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:20, 3 August 2010 (EDT)

Thanks very much for your advice and help. I have updated sleep/eat sections and expanding or creating the nearby towns to accomodate. I'll continue working on -Understand-. (WT-en) Bill in STL 21:37, 20 August 2010 (EDT)

More information
It would be nice to have a link or two to sites providing detail information on this site and the historical/archaeological background, or references for further reading. (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 11:52, 5 September 2010 (EDT)

Smithsonian article
White Settlers Buried the Truth About the Midwest’s Mysterious Mound Cities Pashley (talk) 14:45, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Songo

The article needs a bit of work... (WT-en) Felix

Merge?
This looks like it's just an article about the dam, but I'm not familiar with it so don't want to merge without discussion. Is it also a town? Can you sleep there? If anyone knows either way, please either add more info or move it to Central Mozambique and list it as an attraction under the see section. (WT-en) Cacahuate 07:42, 22 December 2006 (EST)

 * It shouldn't be merged to Central Mozambique, since specifics like these don't belong in region articles. Perhaps it should be moved to Songo. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:36, 17 March 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Caipirinha

Thanks, 200.179.201.19, for contributing this very valuable information... unfortunately I don't think it's really a destination. Me, I would put it in the Drink section of Brazil... Does anybody else out there agree with me? -- (WT-en) Mark 13:03, 8 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Hmm, this is a trickey one-- usually the rule of thumb for a destination is "do you sleep there?" and I think I can honestly claim to have spent a night or two in Caipririnha-land, but I don't know if that counts. I'm gonna have to agree with you and say this should be moved to Brazil. (WT-en) Majnoona 13:47, 8 Mar 2004 (EST)

 * Oh, another suggestion would be a "tours of distillers in the state of Minas Gerais" page kinda like the wine tours of Napa... so this could be split into info on the Brazil page and a stub for a Distillery tour of Barzil (need a better name!) article. Just a thought, because it is good info. (WT-en) Majnoona 13:50, 8 Mar 2004 (EST)~

Hi. I was the one who put the info on Caipirinha, and i'm terribly sorry if i made it the wrong way. Took me a trip to the Wikipedia to see that the two sites don't share data, so... ooooops. I just had to explain it somehow when i was writing my piece on Rio de Janeiro. I'll be more careful in the future. Bye.

 * Hey, I moved your comment down here so the conversation would make more sense... Don't worry about it! Like we said, it's great info and we'll find a place for it. Keep adding info and making mistakes! We'd rather have you plunge forward and "make mistakes" than not contribute! (oh and four ~ will sign your name to talk page comments) -Majnoona (doh, not logged in).

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Talk:Cairngorms National Park

Soliciting opinions about a link
Hello, everyone! An enthusiastic contributor has posted this link, which I moved up to the topmost section of the article. It's the "official website for Accommodation and Activities in Cairngorms National Park." By any other name, it appears to be a "hotel or travel booking services or aggregator," which would violate the first bulleted item on Project:External links. However, the fact that its homepage is copyright Cairngorms Business Partnership gives it what seems to me a genuine official status most booking services and aggregators lack. Is this site a gray area? What do you all think? (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 04:04, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

 * It can be very difficult at times to determine whether a site is "official" or not. See for example the city/town sites of some US towns - they can be little more than commercial booking sites. In this case, all the material at http://www.visitcairngorms.com is copyright The Caingorms Business Partnership. This is a good source of information about that organisation: http://www.cairngorms.co.uk/resource/docs/boardpapers/23012009/CNPA.Paper.2743.Board.Board.Paper.1.A.pdf. The official link for the Caingorms National Park is http://www.cairngorms.co.uk/ ,and in my view that is the only one that should be used. Http://www.visitcairngorms.com is a booking service, albeit one that is a good deal less nasty than most that try to post at WT, and should be disallowed as per Project:External links. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 04:33, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

 * As an aside, I think the efforts of anybody familiar with this wonderful NP would be better placed improving what is a woeful article, rather than posting an accommodation service link. This is an A Grade destination with a very poor article, and any help from familiar users would be much appreciated.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 04:36, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

 * I tend to agree on both counts. I would welcome user Visitcairngorms' input in this discussion and appreciate the notice you gave on his/her user talk page. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 04:48, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

Park update
Cairngorms NP is currently positioned as a part of Great Glen, but it ranges across two counties and touches on three more.

I propose that, as with other "Park" pages, listings associated with a town should migrate there, leaving this page as a round-up or gather-all. This will be a gradual process as those towns first need a bit of work. Grahamsands (talk) 22:22, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

PS As the park has been extended, especially into Perth & Kinross, the static map needs adjusting. Grahamsands (talk) 22:25, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

 * I agree with your proposal, and have removed the static map (see edit summary).-- ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 23:02, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Cairns

Wow, first talk (but what about the nightlife)
Would it be a natural extension to list the nightlife in Cairns? (No, I'm not talking about the bugs and critters either).

 * That's what the "Drink" section tries to do, but it sure could use some expansion! (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:22, 24 November 2006 (EST)

Ironically, I heard Gilligan goes ****ing off on saturday nights. I'm not swearing for no reason, that was quite literally the expression used by the local I was talking to and it probably quite aptly describes it too!

Here's a question - why are the hotel listings in Cairns not listed in the way usually listed on WikiTravel? (i.e., Hotel names hyperlinked to their official websites instead of the website listed separately after the contact information)? (WT-en) PhilippInfo 10:03AM (Phil time) Apr 23 2007

 * Because somebody didn't read the Manual of Style. Plunge forward and fix it, ideally to use the <sleep> tags! (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:33, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Lack of Fluoride a Heads Up for Travellers?
As of February 2010, fluoride is no longer added to the water supply of Cairns. More details here. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 08:26, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Can't see how it effects travellers in the slightest? --Inas (talk) 11:27, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Read my userpage if desired, Inas. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 14:24, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Banner
The palm trees are an icon of Australia's most visited city in the tropics (for tourism), while the lagoon could look like any other lagoon. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:25, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Both suggestions look better than the original, I think. 1 has more of a character, but I didn't really like the crop of the building much. So I guess 2, 1, 0 to me. Vidimian (talk) 10:53, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * 1 is more conventionally pretty but less interesting than 2, so I go for 2, as well. I like the sign on the right. 2, 1, 0, just like Vidimian. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:39, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Done. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:39, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Uluru as a go next destination, really?
Sure, there may be direct flights, but how feasible of a destination is this? I can see some travellers wanting to visit all the major Australian sites without having to transit in so many places, but couldn't the same rationale be applied for the Big Five? -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 09:29, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

 * I don't understand the question. Are you saying it's too little of a destination or too much of a destination to be an "Other destination"? And which are the Big Five? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

 * Wait, no, I got it: Cairns is really far from Uluru. No, don't list it in this article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

 * Yeah, Go next should be for places that are "reasonably close" and not 1000+ km away (well, except for places like the Easter Island or Utqiagvik where there's nothing nearby). --Ypsilon (talk) 17:24, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * If we remove Uluru here, we should probably also remove it from Sydney and possibly Adelaide. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 22:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree, Go next should list "reasonably close" destinations. I mean... from Sydney you could fly to Tokyo, LA, Singapore, London or even my home city with a change of planes but we shouldn't list all of them... Ypsilon (talk) 22:15, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The "Big Five" refers to the five mainland state capitals of Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth, and Adelaide -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 22:02, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * "If we remove Uluru here, we should probably also remove it from Sydney and possibly Adelaide." Indeed, we should, and Alice Springs doesn't seem like a reasonable "Go next" from Adelaide, either. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:20, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ per discussion. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 04:33, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Cairo

Subways on the map
The German Edition has them. So I think it should be able to add them here, right? Hobbitschuster (talk) 08:14, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Added. Ar2332 (talk) 21:29, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Simplified. --RolandUnger (talk) 04:42, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Airport and Pyramids - More warnings?
I recently visited Cairo, and I found the sections about the CAI airport and the pyramids lacking some warnings about how stressful this will be for a solo traveler. I did expect some chaos and shortcomings, but i was surprised how badly both were managed. I think the article should reflect that in some way. This was way more then the usual touts and scams, me and fellow travelers were almost chased around and harassed, up to a point where we could not shrug this of as "cultural things".

Both pyramids and the airport lack all signposting, and have an abundance of people with "official IDs" acting aggressive.

If nobody objects, i will update the article with some practical tips to avoid the worst. :-)

--Djardjar (talk) 00:22, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

 * Sure, go ahead, but keep it neutral. I also disenjoyed Luxor for that reason, but never felt threatended or chased, just very annoyed. Maybe some details to cover for the missing information at the airport would be nice. Cheers Ceever (talk) 01:25, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Wages Mentioned Under Work Section
Dang LE2500 a month, or even LE3500 a month, who can survive on that? Lazarus1255 (talk) 13:10, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Upgrade to Guide status?
This is a well-developed article which meets many of the criteria for guide status; see Guide articles. Should we upgrade, or is anything missing? /Yvwv (talk) 00:40, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Some of the districts like Cairo/Old Cairo are only at outline. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:01, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Cairo/Downtown

The map is incorrect in listening the road from Falaki Sq. to Abdin palace as Bostan rather than a continuation of Tahrir St.

Remarks
I rolledback the addition of commentary added to the following listing because it doesn't fit our Manual of style (all caps for start, and we don't do negative reviews). It pretty much comes down to leaving or removing the listing. As it looks like we have plenty of other place we can recommend without caveats, I'm going to take it out for now... (WT-en) Maj 11:53, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Desert Safari Hostel, 2 Shamplion St., Downtown Cairo - this hostel is ranked #2 of all African hostels on hostelworld.com (as of 02/2007). dorms LE 40, single w/ bathroom LE 70, double LE 90. Amenities include internet access, laundry, tour arrangment, free wi-fi, and free airport pickup. email: dshostel@hotmail.com, tel: 002 02 575 3756. HOST AMIR MAKES ANTI-SEMITIC REMARKS.

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Talk:Cairo/Egyptian Museum

Comments
Is this worthy of an entire article? Shouldn't it just be a subsection of 'Do' on the Cairo page, similar to The Louvre? (WT-en) Cacahuate 00:18, 2 December 2006 (EST)
 * No, yes. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 00:27, 2 December 2006 (EST)

 * great, copied the info to Cairo/Midan Tahrir... (WT-en) Cacahuate 00:53, 2 December 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Cairo/Gezira

I would not recommend eating at Cairo Tower. I did allthough I had a bad feeling about the place and the peak I got into the citchen area, but I wont do it again thats for sure...(WT-en) Inge 09:09, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Cairo/Giza

The correct URL for the Sound and Light Show is very difficult to find using Google. The one that was in this page until today (October 6, 2008) was not no longer correct. http://www.soundandlight.com.eg/Default.aspx does not take you directly to the Giza Pyramids Sound and Light but uclose enough; the use of asp makes it difficult to determine what a direct URL would be.

infobox
can the infobox in 'do' section be right-aligned and text wrapped? Not my arena... (WT-en) Cacahuate 02:54, 2 December 2006 (EST)

Hey it's only 4 years later...not in the most elegant manner, but I fixed the alignment issue in the show-times box. I wonder how up to date the info is...? (WT-en) Bbb0777 21:42, 22 March 2011 (EDT)

Lemma
The lemma Cairo/Giza makes no sense because Giza is a separated town which is a governorate capital, too. It is not a part of the town of Cairo. You should name it simply Giza. --RolandUnger (talk) 18:25, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Giza is not part of Cairo city, but it's part of Cairo metropolitan area. I think it would be confusing to the traveler if they were separated. Maybe we should add a note on relevant pages that they are part of the Cairo *metropolitan area* not municipality? Ar2332 (talk) 19:23, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

 * The readers will be confused about Cairo/Giza if they will learn that they are in Giza and not in Cairo -- at least if they are looking for administration. Of course there is a metropolitan area named Greater Cairo. But it consists of about 18 (!) cities and a lot of villages as you can learn it from Groß-Kairo. It makes no sense to have Cairo/6th of October City and Cairo/Shubra el-Kheima and so on. We should strictly divide between the city of Cairo situated only on the Nile east bank and the metropolitan area. --RolandUnger (talk) 05:43, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I disagree - let's wait for other people to weigh in. Ar2332 (talk) 10:04, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, here's the first phrase of the article: "Giza (الجيزة el-Gīza) is a city located to the west of the Egyptian capital Cairo". I haven't yet been to Egypt, but I'm wondering how similar the situation is to Los Angeles, where we cover a bunch of separate cities that are nevertheless usually considered part of L.A. because they are in L.A. County. For example, Santa Monica is quite visibly separate, with distinct-looking buses and police cars. But the thing is, the article for Santa Monica, though breadcrumbed to Westside (Los Angeles County), which is in turn breadcrumbed to Los Angeles, is not called Los Angeles/Santa Monica, but simply Santa Monica. So what would be the problem in titling this article simply Giza, removing the "Cairo/" portion of any other Greater Cairo municipalities and keeping the breadcrumbing and everything else as is? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with Ikan's suggestion.Ar2332 (talk) 21:14, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry Roland, but I am also in favour of keeping it a part of Cairo. I reckon most people would stay in the centre of Cairo when visiting the Pyramids. With two cities to take care about, travellers will get the impression they have to plan an additional trip to the Pyramids besides Cairo. But actually when you are in Cairo, it is very easy to board a local train from Ramses Station and after 10-20 min get off at Giza Station for the Pyramids. Furthermore, the Cairo article reads like there are some trains with a final stop in Giza, as to the alternative station Ramses. Ceever (talk) 16:19, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * And the City of London is a single square mile -- everything else is Greater London. But we call the other parts "London/West End", etc., because that's how travellers see them. The municipal administrative arrangements are of no concern to the overwhelming majority of travellers. When I booked my hotel in Dokki in order to be close to downtown Cairo and its sights, I had no idea that administratively it was in Giza city, and it made no difference to me during my stay. I walked across a couple of bridges, hailed a Careem, or hopped on the metro to see the sights of Cairo. There is a short pedestrian bridge from Coptic Cairo to Gezira Island for Pete's sake. Gezira is also in Giza city. Travellers see Giza as a suburb of Cairo because it is one, so let's help them out by keeping Cairo in the articles' names. Ground Zero (talk) 18:44, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Cairo/East

Comments
If there's nothing much of interest to visitors and it's just a nice place to live, maybe we don't need this article? (WT-en) Cacahuate 02:20, 2 December 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Cairo/Midan Ataba

Comments
Is there anything of real interest in this area, or can its few sights be incorporated into the Cairo/Downtown page? I'm not familiar enough with the city, anyone know? (WT-en) Cacahuate 02:22, 2 December 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Cairo to Jerusalem by bus

is it true that when u reach egypt then they collect ur passport?

-> I travelled along this route, returning on December, 30th 2011. My passport was not collected at any time! It was checked several times but alays handed back to me. So no problems to expect!

Merge to Jerusalem
I think that it makes more sense to merge this "article" to Jerusalem because it is directions to Jerusalem from Cairo. ~ Anastasia (talk) 20:51, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

 * I do not agree, while it's quite hideous in it's layout the journey is quite complicated and will just take up a lot of space in each article. An alternative could be to create something like Overland travel in the Middle East which could be used as a general travel topic for the often complicated journeys in the region. Jonte-- (talk) 20:37, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

 * This article provides directions for both ways, so I think merging it is erroneous. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:31, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

bus travel in the middle east / in Egypt
we have an article on bus travel in Israel and maybe this would resolve the problem of this "problematic" itinerary" as well as improving our coverage on bus travel in general. Thoughts? Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:15, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Seems fine to me - I was apparently the one who tagged the article for merging back when we were reviewing questionable itinerary articles, and if there is a more specific merge target that can be used then I'm in full support. -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:32, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Cajamarca

Salas and Zarco are tradtional and good restaurants Zarco es cheap and Salas is exelent

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Talk:Calabar

''This page is for discussing the corresponding article or guide. For more about using talk pages check out Project:Using talk pages.''

Collaboration of the Month September 2008
This article was a Collaboration of the month for September 2008.The goals were:

 * Needs a serious dose of the MoS – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 23:35, 19 November 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Calendar of events and festivals

Untitled
You have to edit Template:Months to change this, but this template gets included at the bottom of all the months too, hence the horizontal strip design. Just in case anyone was confused by this -- (WT-en) Nojer2 08:25, 6 Jan 2005 (EST)

Organization of Monthly Pages
How should we organize them? I'd suggest seperating events with specific dates from those that are listed with only a general timeframe ("in october every year", for example). -- (WT-en) Nils 20:05, 2 Apr 2004 (EST)

And should we list the specific date of annual events when we have a specific date, but only for say, 2004? (WT-en) Matthewmayer 16:45, 4 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * I'd say list the current year and the next year... ie. two future occurances at most. -- (WT-en) Nils 08:35, 5 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * I think we need more sections for these pages. To me, Specific Date indicates a particular date in a particular year. Every year indicates an event occuring on the same date, or at the same time in the month each year.  I feel the sections need to be more like:

 * Specific Year
 * This Year (Number)
 * Next Year (Number)
 * Later Years (Numbers)
 * Each Year
 * Specific Date
 * (National) Holidays
 * Other Significant Days
 * During the month
 * Events and festivals
 * What do others think? -- (WT-en) Huttite 01:40, 4 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * Me like, just without the excessive capital letters. Also, we should standardize on a format for dates themselves, and I think "Month DD, YYYY" for specific dates and "Month DD" is about as clear and unambiguous as it gets.  (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:50, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)

I went ahead and suggested a standard format. I still like "Month DD" more than "Month DDth", but the latter seems to be more common in the existing entries -- comments welcome. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:00, 31 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Calendar per country
I think it's better to make a calendar per country. If I'm travelling in Bolivia I don't really care if it's chinese new year on the other side of the world today.

It also leaves more room for small local events which, for travellers, can be as much or even more fun than the big events. It also possible to include for example election dates in politically unstable countries and music concerts, things also interresting for travellers.

Futhermore some events (carnaval for example) are celebrated very differently in different countries. If we break it up we can give more specific info about where to go, if you should make reservation in advance and what you should expect of it. (WT-en) Ronald 14:43, 25 February 2006 (EST)
 * Maybe more regional? If i'm going to the balkan, id like to know what's up their regularly and also this year. Maybe even add it to the Europe : Mediterranean Europe : Balkans - pages? Also, I don't surf to the August page if Im going somewhere, so... I just added some 'events' to several Do headings.

More prominent position
Hidden away among the travel topics, this event article is very underutilized. I wonder whether it should be given a place on the front page to give it more exposure. (WT-en) WindHorse 22:33, 27 February 2007 (EST)

Specific / Fixed / Movable - dates merger
Having the dates for a given location split into three completely different parts of the page is unhelpful. It would be much easier to access the information you're looking for if all dates for a given country were in one section. I've tweaked August as an example, feel free to revert but if so comments here would be appreciated. I propose that the other months be edited to match if there are no objections. ~ 58.8.5.130 04:19, 15 June 2007 (EDT)

 * September and October have now also been rehashed to match August. ~ 203.189.134.3 11:47, 9 October 2007 (EDT)

 * mmm...missed that. Let me check and rework --(WT-en) Nick 16:00, 24 January 2008 (EST)

 * I do think it's a much better way to organise everything - sorry I never got around to the other nine. ~ 203.144.143.4 16:04, 24 January 2008 (EST)

 * I agree, it makes more sense to keep everything together. Will have them all done in a couple of minutes --(WT-en) Nick 16:16, 24 January 2008 (EST)

Split Topic info from Help page
Should this page be split? Currently, it insufficiently serves as a header for the calendar, and also tells how to edit the various pages. Normally, we would link to a page giving detailed wiki edit instructions, leaving these out of the MAIN namespace. If you're not familiar with a wiki, you may not even understand just where the event entries are located once you get here. And if you're looking for info on how to edit the calendar, you'd normally be looking in the help or policy pages.

I think this should be two pages. First, a friendly intro, and second, a Project:Editing the calendar. Just one sentence would refer user from the intro to the how-to, while the emphasis would be on referring user to the actual month pages to find their events. --(WT-en) Bill in STL 19:01, 30 August 2010 (EDT)
 * I was about to come here and make the same comment, but I see someone did so three years ago, and nothing has come of it. I think this page should be moved to the WV namespace and better calendar intro page should be made here, or perhaps the calendar needs no intro page. Any thoughts? Texugo (talk) 15:34, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Calendar of events
Apparently you dont permit the creation of calenders for events despite this being a significant part of helping people to decide when or if to visit a place/region. Can some please explain why of if its possible please link to a MOS or policy which I can follow Gnangarra (talk) 11:19, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I see this is your first post, so welcome to Wikivoyage! You come here with some misconceptions, it would appear. Listings of events are welcome, as long as they are of events that could interest a visitor. Such listings should be put in "Do" in destination articles, and can have their own subsection if that would make the section more easily readable. Is there something else you'd like to know? Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:50, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * So how far ahead can these events be listed and how many, I've been working with local Government authorities developing Wikitowns, including Wikivoyage content is a natural progression these places each have multiple events/festivals every month to put a list in the location article would create unmanageable articles so the logical would be to have a Calender. Highlighting a couple of major events in the To DO section makes sense, but it also a logical extension to have a "Calender of Events" so that travellers can plan their journey to take in events that interest them. Gnangarra (talk) 11:58, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * We do have a Calendar of events and festivals section, but it is fairly neglected as for now. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:03, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * [Edit conflict] I'm not sure if I'm understanding correctly, but it sounds like the calendar you have created and are updating is official or at least semi-official for each town. If that's the case, the relevant town's calendar could be linked to once per destination article. Usually, the website for the town's office of tourism or, failing that, municipal website is linked to from the name of the town at the beginning of the article, but I see no problem with (also) linking a separate site that has a calendar of events on it, at an appropriate place in the "Do" section of the article. Your plan of posting some highlights of events and also linking the calendar sounds good to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:07, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * not looking to link to an "official municiple" as locations have more than official municiple events, the whole purpose is for one the community as a whole can update and maintain from a WikiTravel prespective is creates a gate way that keeps people frequenting the site, maintain content rather than just a passing add my B&B, or Restaurant. It will also bring people back to the site to look at whats happening. Looking at Calendar of events and festivals could I then make this into a template for "Calendar of events and festivals in Foo" where foo could be a town, a region or municipality which already have an article... and transclude the current month into the location article its associated with.Gnangarra (talk) 13:13, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * On the subject of the neglected calendar of events. Is there anyway in MediaWiki to set up a displayable database? Wondering if it is possible to enter events by type, date and location then be able to create tables on region pages or list events by dates, types and regions. Traveler100 (talk) 12:22, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * We could use the [//semantic-mediawiki.org Semantic Mediawiki extension], which makes it easy to [//semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Event_calendar_format add calendars]. (One day, Wikidata might allow for this, but it's too limited now.) -- Ypnypn (talk) 17:01, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

These are all great ideas for encouraging local participation and, thus, more editors! --118.93.67.66 20:26, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the input, I have created a subset for Toodyay(alt perma link) to demonstrate how it could look utilising current formatting, all sub pages are red links at the moment.. Gnangarra (talk) 09:15, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Strongly support this innovation - there are many locations that I know in Australia that rely on the calendrical issue to attract visitors to a location on a specific date in the year, and so have such a device included, and accepted is great to see ! sats (talk) 09:48, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I like this, too. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:12, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I do not see any avantage to the new experiment over the normal way of including a full section of events. The new suggestion unnecessarily splits content over thirteen additional pages and I seriously doubt that anything but metropoles would actually come close to being able to usefully fill that many pages with events actually relevant to the traveller. Certainly a "small town of about 1000 people" could easily fit all its events into the standard Do subsection. I wouldn't mind discussing how to better feature events, possibly differentiating them from other listing types or other changes, but splitting small articles into 14 is not going to be the answer. Texugo (talk) 02:30, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I share Texugo's concerns. I didn't realize that that would be the result. It's problematic not to have at least the most important events listed in the destination guide. I'm OK with the experimental articles supplementing the highlights, if there is a huge number of events to list (e.g., over 20), but putting the highlights in the destination guide is important for Wikivoyage's goal of being easily printable. Is that something you can work on, Gnangarra? Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:49, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I voiced similar concerns at Talk:Calendar of events and festivals in Toodyay (specifically, I'm not sure I understand what the benefits of this approach are vs something like Marina del Rey), but despite any reservations I don't think it hurts to allow this experiment to continue and see what Gnangarra comes up with. Some sort of event calendar would be useful on Wikivoyage, but ideally we want something dynamic that could be shared across articles, thus allowing (for example) a single dataset to be used to generate city-specific, region-specific, and date-specific calendars so that we could embed a calendar in every article, feature an automatically-generated "today's events" list on the main page, allow users to search for events during specific time periods, etc.  Technically I don't think that's currently possible, but maybe there will be some way to do it with a combination of wikidata and lat/long tagging in the future?  In any case, this is a problem that would be nice to eventually solve, and allowing some experimentation might generate some useful ideas. -- Ryan • (talk) • 03:31, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree, Ryan. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:53, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The idea of being able to shift, share and manipulate to create different calenders is an interesting concept, but its definately outside my skill set though I know a good programmer that could create a bot to refresh each monthly page once that month has finished. What I see is these calenders as being somewhere for communities to keep updating and engage with Voyage on practical level while they are at it they'll also maintain other location article content as opposed to the current 'hit n run' add my business thats occurring now. Addressing Texugo concern the value of having a monthly Calender(list of events) page is that people can then directly share this in emails, on social media and embedding in/linking to from other sites which will improve the reach of Wikivoyage attracting even more people to the project. For that to be successful it needs to be a simple process to add an event. Highlighting a few significant regular events in the main article is sensible, but the calender can be more specific about the actual details include other once off or dynamic timing without causing the main article to go stale. Gnangarra (talk) 07:51, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * All of these are really interesting ideas, and I think you should continue to have the latitude to develop this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:21, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't mind the experiment continuing, but just to reply: I don't think being able to "share this in emails, on social media and embedding in/linking" is an added value for the overwhelming majority of cities/months that would be empty or have 1-2 items. I'd also like to point out that having a calendar that shows only the current month really isn't what we want either, since toward the end of the month you aren't displaying anything that looks ahead very far, and more importantly, people tend to plan ahead for future trips or may want to see when the best time for a trip would be. I'd say anything which will end up requiring 12+ clicks to fully see what's going on would be bad, especially for the vast majority of destination articles which have less than one thing per month, if any. Texugo (talk) 10:32, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Your point are well taken. What I was hoping would happen is that the events would appear in the destination guide. If there's a way that can be devised to display the next couple of months' events on a rotating basis in the destination guide by transcluding (I think that's the word) the calendars of those months from another article, that would be a good thing, along with the highlighted events throughout the year that should be at least mentioned in the destination guide (I think it's OK for more details to be somewhere else, as Gnangarra proposes). I should say to Gnangarra: Please don't feel threatened by this discussion. It looks like we've all agreed to give you latitude, and we're bringing up things to think about while developing this calendar. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:24, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The transclusion bit is easy. I've created a quick template to transclude any calendar pages, if they exist, for the current and subsequent two months: "Template:Upcoming events".  The month can be forced too.    will transclude the August-October range like so:

 * There are only two calendar pages at present, so the full function is hard to see. The tags should probably be extended around the table in the calendar article, or that will be transcluded up to three times.  The images might cause problems too, depending on the article and the length of the calendar. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 13:44, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * done the noinclude fix and add a note for image to be included before that the tag Gnangarra (talk) 15:49, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I am still not seeing what the point is. The only net result I see is that we have more pages to edit, we complicate formatting, and we hide events which are more than a few weeks into the future, which doesn't make sense for travellers who are planning further ahead. Why would we not just keep everything on the destination page, showing all the events together in a single calendar section as we have done up til now? Where has this approach so far presented a problem that needs fixing? Texugo (talk) 13:53, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * If there turn out to be few events in Toodyay, you may be right. I think if there are more than 30 events over the course of a year, we might not want to list all of them at once. Furthermore, if this experiment works well, it may be useful to repeat it with much bigger cities that have hundreds of events per year or more. So let's see where this goes. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:59, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * If there are more than 30 events over the course of a year, we might not want to list them all, period. For small-to-medium-sized cities, a list of more than 30 will probably include things like the regional toilet seat manufacturer's association trade show and the local ham radio operator's annual club picnic. We don't need to list every possible event anyway - when there are a lot, we choose the best recommendable ones, just like we do with any other kind of list we generate. Metropoles with the huge city template and dozens of dozens of events that are recommendable are the only type of article where I could imagine the need for a calendar management system, though the fact they can be distributed in district articles largely takes care of the volume. Even then, I don't think it would be right to hide things depending on the current date. I usually have to plan trips 6-9 months in advance and I'm sure this is not that unusual. Texugo (talk) 14:22, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I've got thick skin and the scares that come from 9 years of editing wikiprojects(long term sysop on en and commons), I come peace I not trying to harm Wikivoyage. I have at a guess everyone here has met politicians that would turn up to a door opening if they thought they'd get their mug on TV to not really take offense at idiotic examples but they do make your arguments rather hard to take seriously, because everyone knows that a picnic for locals would be a closed event, and that a local manfacturers trade show would be an invite only. Gnangarra (talk) 15:37, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * planning trips 6,9 12 months in advance is only one way people would plan, but thats not the only way people plan. More frequently I have a day where I can do something, I'll be looking maybe 1 or 2 days in advance either we should not assume people who mangage to navigate from google and can read a calender to know when they are taking their holiday cant the work out that if they want to know whats happening in May rather than next week they could click on that link, over the next 6,9, 12 months these people will return to see what else is happening after a few visits they'll think oh whats happening at home oh look I can help out here. I agree we dont want every event but as a rough guide any event thats ticketed or open to the public should be in the detailed calender. Like all projects there is an editor bias using this bias in selecting/recommending events isnt encouraging broad participation. Lets take an example of Fremantle Festival it runs from Oct 25 to Nov 10 its been running for over 100 years so this meets any inclusion criteria no matter how strict infact it'd meet Wikipedia notability guidelines for an article there as well. This year the festival has more than 100 individual events and the majority of them would be of interest to visitors but every event wouldnt be of interest to every visitor, that is one festival. To even offer a brief coverage of these two weeks it'd be a sizable list,  (enough that an argument could be made for its own article here but thats a whole different tangent and another can of worms I have no intention of opening)  yes some months will quieter than others but for continuity reasons alone and future automation needs accepting of some small things. Another cause is that with October 2014 there would be very few events scheduled that could be included in the calender today but in july it'll have grown substantially and june will be blank the calenders will organic in nature growing and shrinking depending on how far in the future it is. Gnangarra (talk) 15:37, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Maybe my examples were a little silly, but people do indeed add some very dubious events from time to time. Anyway, it sounds like what you are looking to do is to greatly expand the level of detail we offer to include whole event schedules, such as the whole two-week schedule of over 100 mini-events of the Fremantle Festival, or the full schedule of a music or film festival like SxSW in Austin. Keeping this kind of thing updated can start to get out of scope, which is why we typically link to the official site for the event, where the schedule is bound to be given in full and constantly up-to-date. It's kind of analogous to the reason why we don't have separate pages to give intimate details on museum collections or train schedules. Texugo (talk) 16:17, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * not trying to create whole event schedules, just highlighting that a festival with 100 events even listing 1 in 3 is 30odd all I was trying to show is that 30 is any easily achievable while still keeping relavence, like wise you wouldnt create an article to list every piece in a museum's collection the description of the museum would sufficienlty cover the highlights so that a person could decide if it something they would vist but you would note a travelling exhibition as an event. Likewise maintaining train schedules would be a waste of resources, but noting the last train for the service or a unique special event service would both be items you'd consider including in a calender. Gnangarra (talk) 02:37, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Update thinking about some the discussion and point raised for the moment I'll reduce this to just the intermediate step of only creating Calendar of events and festivals in Toodyay Gnangarra (talk) 10:56, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I noticed that. This is a single calendar article instead of 12 articles, one for each month, correct? I'm much happier about this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:56, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Calendar of events and festivals proposed change
Comments on the idea of a sortable table for events. Something like this:- User:Traveler100/sandbox-eventlist.

Need to think about how many columns, for example sub-type breaking up sport into different type of sport, similar thing for religion. Also how detailed should location be? --Traveler100 (talk) 13:08, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

 * That's a good-looking table. I think that it just be flexible in format for just the reasons you state. But where would you think it would be appropriate to put? In "Do" sections? I think that's fine and would be quite clear, but also that it really shouldn't substitute for prose explanations of the events in question. In other words, having both the table and prose explanations would be better than having one but not the other, although only prose explanations strikes me as more useful than only a table. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:05, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I was thinking more about the merging all the month and subject event pages under Calendar of events and festivals. I think prose would be better on most city pages, but the table could be considered for regions, maybe counties, as you say under the do section. --Traveler100 (talk) 15:11, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * That could be a good thing to do, yeah. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:59, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Please see Calendar_of_events_and_festivals_in_Toodyay I've added a table there sortable by month, event, event type. Open to suggestion on how to address the rolling time so that the full table can be relevant, and kept up to date... Gnangarra (talk) 12:50, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for continuing to think about new ideas and develop this exemplary article, Gnangarra! --118.93nzp (talk) 16:15, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Something to ponder
I know I'm looking a lot further down the road then the current experiement, the reason is that the development of calenders also offer an opportunity to add even more value but to exploit this value which was described above will mean looking at another article type covering events. As mused above by Ryan these calenders could then be utilised to create an events link through the main page or higher order topics, ie town --> to region/state --> national level. ie Toodyay --> Western Australia --> Australia --> Main Page. If the ability to do that is created using undefined the question is what value is there to Voyage in sending to reader directly to an external site, when it could keep the reader within through creation of pages Event:Moondyne Festival where sufficient information about the event is contained to assist in making an informed decision about attending, and where the reader could then follow onto other events either at the same time near by or of similar interest. obviously this would be for just the more significant events worthy of being noted beyond the local region ie the Todyay picnic race day would of interest in Perth area not around Australia so no need for an article itself, where as the Avon Descent which attracts international competitors would warrant mention in Australian events even possibly a main page mention. For comparison the Melbourne cup which would demand main page should events go that way, the larger regional tie ins would be worth noting/linking within the article. Gnangarra (talk) 08:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

 * This could be good, but I'm concerned that we might not have enough editors to maintain these kinds of pages sufficiently. I'm happy for you to work on the prototype, though, in hopes that eventually, this guide will have a large number of editors. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:54, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * agree these will be in need of maintenance, to misquote build it for when they come.. the more its potential is explored during this phase of development the easier it is to modify, and to develop the under lying formatting etc rather then having a lot of pages needing alterations once its in wider use. Gnangarra (talk) 11:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I would be much happier with an approach that seeks to improve the way events are handled within their respective articles rather than this approach which could potentially almost double the number of destination pages we have to maintain and introduce a further level of redundancy/need-for-synchronization between what is in the base article and what is in the calendar article. Also be aware that mentioning national/international holidays in themselves (as opposed to specific celebrations thereof) in every article goes counter to our practice of mentioning such shared general information at only the highest level applicable unless there is something unique about the individual destination, in order to avoid redundancy. Just as we don't mention 911 in every American city or the fact that they speak Japanese in every Japanese destination article, we also don't need to mention the Queen's Birthday in every Australian article, nor Christmas/New Year's in practically every destination article we have. Texugo (talk) 12:01, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * These are all good points, Texugo, but I think we need to allow much more time for Gnangarra and others to develop and exemplarise their exciting new ideas before we can decide on the best way forwards. --118.93nzp (talk) 21:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree the issue will be with editors to maintain this. It is very high maintenance, and reflects badly on the site the moment it is out of date.  Perhaps a more expression for dates will let it go out of date less quickly.  I mean putting 27th in for a public holiday for Australia day is going to be out of date on the 28th.  What chance does anyone have to keep this accurate?  --Inas (talk) 22:16, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The more I look at this, unfortunately, the more I think it isn't going to work. This content could be merged into the main article easily.  I think we just need more support for dated events in our main guides.  --Inas (talk) 22:14, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Time to do some serious weeding
There is a real mix of entries in the month pages reference from here. There are a lot of events that should be added but I think we need to remove a lot of unnecessary entries first. Listings should be restricted to events and festivals that a traveller would go and visit to see and take part in and not just the fact it is a religious day or a country's national holiday. Lists of important dates can be found on the Wikipedia link. Also should only be events that attendees would travel to from another country or across the country to. Others should be moved to city, region and country location pages.

For example New Years Eve should not be an entry but Edinburgh's Hogmanay festivities should. --Traveler100 (talk) 16:30, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree. Though I have a hard time with the way this is organized in general. It should generally split into regions (country level or even smaller). Or perhaps we could find a way that allows the visitor to sort by his preferences, whether he wants to go to a specific region or just looks for interesting events in general without a regional preference. Cheers, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 17:21, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes I did look at other ways of showing this with methods of ordering for the reader. However it made adding new entries complicated. Actually I am thinking of removing the country order from the month pages altogether, should just be by date. These pages are for people looking where to go based on date. Event by region should be in the main location articles. Which will be the next big project, updating event entries on country, region and city pages. --Traveler100 (talk) 20:41, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * This could be done, though I think the location/country should still remain. But perhaps more like a sortable (time)table. I have no reference for this, so I hope you get a grasp of what I mean. It's a "calendar" after all. Cheers, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 22:57, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Have looked at sortable tables, would work for the readers point of view but the format does not help newbies add entries. My long term intention is to use the event template to generate a database and then use this to generate a calendar either as sortable table or something like this. First thing though is to get a good quantity of quality content in a standard format (hence the event template), both on the month pages and in the location pages. --Traveler100 (talk) 07:56, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Proposal
To be placed on front page:-

 * What should be listed on the month pages:
 * Events that have a reasonable number of international visitors
 * Events that people would cross the country to attend
 * Events that have international TV or Web coverage and can be attended by international travellers
 * What should not be listed on the month pages:
 * Event and festival were a large majority of attendees are from the area/region. (these should be placed on the appropriate city or region page)
 * National holidays (these should be listed on the country page)
 * exception is if there is an associated, specific location, festival that is of interest to tourists
 * Religious days (these should be listed on the pages of counties where it is important)
 * exception is if there is an associated, specific location, festival that is of interest to tourists
 * Calender days like New Year (these should be listed on the pages of counties where it is important)
 * exception is if there is an associated, specific location, festival that is of interest to tourists
 * Entries who's date for either this years or last years or next years event cannot be confirm on its official website or other reputable website.

Please also place the event on related location (city, region or country) page.

Updating Calendar of events and festivals
I have spent some time cleaning up the month pages of Calendar of events and festivals. Bad links and inappropriate events have been removed and the format of the listing has been made consistent. Where possible I have also added the most recent known exact dates. These pages could now do with being expanded. Would appreciate input from others with events that attract international visitors. Why should we do this (I know list pages are not too popular)? Basically this is a good portal into other location pages on this site. The month pages have a lot of key words and with constant updating will attract good results from search engines, attracting more visitors to Wikivoyage. --Traveler100 (talk) 09:03, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Move from Main space?
This article sounds more like a guide than a travel topic.

I think it should be moved from Main to the Wikivoyage: namespace.

Cheers! Syced (talk) 09:25, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

A couple of ideas concerning the calendar articles
Here is a page, or rather 12 of them plus this one, that probably most of us have forgotten that exist. Nevertheless, I do think many of our readers would be interested in what's happening right now and in the next couple of weeks around the world. But this, I think, would require a link from the Main Page.

This could be accomplished in a number of ways. The simplest way would be just a link to Calendar of events and festivals on the world map, in the line that says "More: Destinations, Itineraries, Phrasebooks, Travel topics". A better way would be to have the current month article linked from there instead, updated automatically every month (for instance, right now it would say "Events in September"). Yet another way would be putting the month article as a fourth feature in the Main Page featured article carousel.

It could also be good to expand the month articles themselves, for instance, with information on what parts of the world have suitable weather for visiting during that month (using the same definitions we use for determining time for featured articles).

Needless to say, this would also mean that voyagers would need to keep the calendar articles more up to date than they are now.

Thoughts? --ϒpsilon (talk) 16:39, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

 * Anyone? ϒpsilon (talk) 17:53, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

 * I do have an idea, though I don't know whether or not it'll be received well, but we shall see.
 * To both expand the currently existing articles and draw attention to them, we could make the articles specified per region and have the region article link to them. Depending on the size of the article, content differs. Events in the USA or something alike, for example, would be way more general than Events in Utah. Implementing this however, takes a lot of effort (though it probably could get automated via a bot in one way or another). Either way, using this method would allow us to delve into detail about the events, which can be useful to the traveller. -- Wauteurz (talk) 18:21, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

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Mount Signal Cafe
Yes, it's out of town. Camacho's is out of town for El Centro, as well. But the article could stand a few more restaurants. I guess the one at the airport was supposed to be good; not sure about others. (Though I hear the McDonalds is one of the busiest!)--(WT-en) justfred

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