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Talk:Antigua Guatemala

If the most common name for this place is "Antigua", we should use that name. I added a disambiguator. --(WT-en) Evan 11:33, 16 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * I forgot to mention -- GREAT ARTICLE! Thanks a ton for working on this. --(WT-en) Evan 11:33, 16 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Volcán Pacaya tours
Here are raw notes of User:(WT-en) JimDeLaHunt's visit to Volcán Pacaya on Dec 27, 2005. I'm recording them here so that I can improve the related part of the Antigua article later. Don't panic, I won't put all of this detail in the article. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 16:48, 28 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * USD $8/person from Santa Clara Internet agency on 2a Ave Sur
 * Pickup scheduled 06:00h, actual 06:20h. Van carried 12 in our group. Drive about 90 mins from Antigua.  Nice views of Volcan Agua, but don't worry, there are better views of it on Pacaya.
 * Arrived Visitors Centre 07:45h~. Purchase park entrance tickets: Q25 for international visitors, Q10 for Guatemalans. Visitors centre at village of San Francisco de Sales (Suerte?), about 50km southeast of Antigua. Bathrooms available. Cute poem in English in bathroom warns to put toilet paper in garbage can, not toilet.
 * Several kids offering walking sticks for rent (price unknown). Walking sticks proved useful but not essential.  Our guide had 4 spare sticks, which he handed out the slower members of the group when the going got tough.
 * Horse rides offered (price unknown) by riders who follow the lower trail calling "Taxi! Taxi!". But they'd only take you to a stile at the tree line, and there's a lot of stiff climbing after that. I don't think that horses makes the hike accessible to anyone who couldn't do the lower part of the hike.
 * Guide "Augusto" responsible for our group of 12. Wears a Pacaya park vest and picture ID. Carries a machete but no firearms.  He's 53, and goes up volcano twice a day.  Lives in SF de Sales. Says another guide is 70.
 * Overview of climb. 3km up, 3km down. About 2hrs up + down.  Start at 1900m~, peak at 2700m~, so 800m elevation gain.
 * Lower climb. Depart San Francisco at 08:00h. Up a steep foot trail, paved for first km or so, then dirt. A couple of stops for commentary on trees, geology from guide (in Spanish only). See fumes from a geothermal electricity plant, powered by Pacaya. Arrive at tree line at 08:57. There's a little rest area with roofed picnic tables, fire barrels, and maybe bathrooms there.  Pass through a stile in a wire fence to exit tree line.  Don't think horses go beyond the stile.
 * Middle climb leads from tree-line to base of lava and rock. Dirt and volcanic ash trail with grasses and low plants.  Great views from here to Honduras and El Salvador in the east, and Volcan Agua and Volcan Fuego and the third volcano visible from Antigua to the northwest. In a valley filled with frozen lava from a 2000 flow, many people have spelled out their names or home towns in rocks -- an interesting take on graffiti!
 * Upper climb goes up the cone proper. It's all volcanic rock, no plants. It starts off with a steep walk up very loose scree (rocks ranging from dust to 5mm in size). Strenuous, and you slide back a little with each step.  Slope rises steeply to left and drops off steeply to right. After a few hundred metres of this we come to area with bigger rocks which is more stable walking.  Very pretty black and red rocks of all sizes from 0mm to 100cm. I think we got to the peak at 10:00 or so.
 * Peak is a 30minute (approx) walk around the currently active vents. Note that shape and details of the peak will change as volcano erupts.  As of December 2005, there were three active vents, and several areas where fumes seep from rocks.  Fumes were sulpherous, smelling like rotten eggs and irritating the throat quite quickly. A face mask or cloth helps most of the time. Fumes also have steam, so can be quite hot.  Lots of great photo opportunities of the vents and in all directions.  We saw no glowing hot lava, but some rocks were clearly hot.  Hard to look down the vents, because of the heat and fumes.  Several rocks were coloured yellow, red and a spectrum of other colours from sulpher and other deposits.
 * Upper descent goes back down the same scree path as for upper climb. The steep screen slope that was so difficult on the way up is great fun on the way back -- walk/run/glide down the slope loose rock.  If you can get the rhythm of it you can go quite fast. At the end of it you will have rocks in your shoes, and your feet and socks will be filthy.  Ended this descent at 10:40h.
 * Mid-lower descent was fast and straightforward. Reached treeline at 10:54h. Reached park entrance at 11:25~. We tipped our guide Q5-10/person, which he earned with his engaging personality, information, and hard work.  Approx 15m to buy snacks, visit bathroom.  Washing face and hands in the bathroom sink felt great.
 * Return drive departed SF de Sales at 11:40, returned to Antigua at 12:55h, we ourselves were dropped off at 13:02h.
 * Security was not a problem; I never felt remotely in danger. The agency promised us an armed security guard. Didn't really see that, but our guide did have a machete and at one point we saw three uniformed policement climbing the mid-slope.
 * Equipment: Comfortable walking shoes: tennis shoes are fine; boots provide more ankle support but will be harder to empty rocks out of on descent. Consider that shoes might be damages from stepping on hot rocks. Bandana a big help to cut down sulphurous fumes; face mask (painter style or surgeon style) might work better. Sunscreen. Beware of glasses fogging up from steam; contacts might be better.
 * Links rutahsa.com page on pacaya climb
 * Morning vs afternoon. Morning probably has clearer weather, and lets you climb and drive in daylight both ways. Evening lets you see glowing red vents, but means you have to descend and drive back in the dark. No personal exp with PM.

Black Cat, Los Amigos
I restored the listings for the Black Cat and Los Amigo because they were deleted without comment. If the hostels are no longer in business or shouldn't be on this page, please explain. --(WT-en) Evan 11:11, 29 January 2007 (EST)

Security Section
Changes I made - you might get a tuc-tuc to take you somewhere during the day for Q10, but a cab anywhere in Antigua is now at least Q15/Q20, and one at night or to outside Antigua is more. Best advice is to ask barstaff for an idea, and always ask the price beforehand. Also, agua pura is just water - from a bottle or a tap so I've qualified it. --(WT-en) mick.powell 12/2/2007

Antigua book
I removed the following; we don't typically recommend books in Wikivoyage articles. --(WT-en) Evan 22:58, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

 * The book Antigua Guatemala: The city and its heritage, by Elizabeth Bell, is a great handbook for the visitor. It provides concise and well-informed descriptions of 43 monuments, houses, and museums, listed in order of importance so that you can use it for a self-guided tour for as much time as you have. It also has a concise overview of the city's history. Laced with colour photos. Other chapters provide intriguing extras such as a record of Volcán Fuego's eruptions, earthquakes, annual festivals, and thumbnail sketches of surrounding towns. 200 pages, paperback.  Editions in English and Spanish. Q120 at Antigua Tours.  ISBN: 99922-706-9-1. amazon.com listing for this book.

Evan: well, this was a really helpful book for me as a visitor to Antigua. It contains the kind of photographs and historical coverage that I don't expect WikiTravel to achieve for the next decade. Why don't we generally have listings for books as informative, and relevant to the destination, as this one? (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 05:01, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

Bus Station
The Antigua bus station has moved about 1km west of the Lonely Planet address is what it says in the article but could someone add the actual location of the bus station.--190.56.26.194 19:16, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

Palacio de la India listing
User:216.230.150.12 added this listing to Eat at 20:36, 2007 September 10:
 * PALACIO DE LA INDIA - TANDOORI INDIAN RESTAURANT - "Simply a journey to India" All authentic Tandoori Indian Cuisine. Call 7832 0547 or 5088 1294 for reservations.

It's nice to have another restaurant listing, but could someone edit this to fill in the address, directions, price? (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 14:16, 11 September 2007 (EDT)

Currency
The quetzal is the national currency but if the USD is widely accepted by vendors of all types, perhaps listing prices in this currency would be valid as well since travelers could use it? If not widely accepted, only prices in quetzal should be listed and thus, the article changed. If anyone has any knowledge of this, pls share!(WT-en) Zepppep 09:42, 20 January 2010 (EST)

 * I suspect either - certainly the case in central American locations I have been too. Be good to get a direct confirmation of that for Antigua though. It should never be expressed here as USD by the way. US$ is OK if there is potential for confusion with other dollar currencies, or in this case, maybe just $.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:47, 20 January 2010 (EST)

 * I took care of the currency labels except when it appears the prices are set in USD and not quetzales. (WT-en) Zepppep 10:31, 21 January 2010 (EST)

Preparing for OtBP
I've noticed that User:AndreCarrotflower has been doing a lot of good editing work, so I wanted to see how close this article now is to being a viable OtBP candidate, given that it's been slushed a couple of times before. In the response thread for the most recent nomination (19 July 2012), the following points were made:

''Understand, Get in, Get around, & Stay safe all need sub-headings with the content appropriately divided. Eat & Drink need more info like phone numbers, prices, & a few are even missing addresses.''

It looks like some of this still needs to be done: "Get in" and "Get around" feel a little long not to have some subheadings setting off one part of each section from another, and "Stay safe" is even longer. If some of the establishments without listed phone numbers actually have no phone number, perhaps that should be indicated at the end of the listing.

Once these changes are made, this article should again be nominated for OtBP and I believe it will then be approved. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:55, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

 * A minor nitpick: Has it been sufficiently established that Antigua Guatemala is as a matter of fact off the beaten path? If I know my Central America it is one of the top ten beaten path destinations in the area. I know the term has become next to meaningless, but we should not actively contribute to that... Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:21, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

 * Ikan - that is precisely the reason for my edits! I was the one who nominated Antigua in 2012, and it's always been in the back of my mind to improve the article and renominate it. Now that Buffalo is districted and I'm finished with my own summer travels, making these fixes seemed like a nice way to dip my toes back into Wikivoyage in preparation for my next major project (finishing the task of bringing Gaspé Peninsula up to Guide status), while also addressing the fact that we have no suitable OtBP candidates after February 2016. I should be finished with my edits in a week or two (in addition to what you mentioned, I'd also like to write up blurbs for a few remaining listings in "See"; add geo coordinates for listings in "Buy", "Eat", "Drink", and "Sleep"; and prune the "Learn" section), and I plan on renominating the article immediately thereafter. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:13, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

 * Excellent. I suspected as much.

 * What do you think about Hobbitschuster's point on the beaten path? Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:37, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

 * Ikan - It's a valid point, and since we don't have any DotM candidates past February 2016 either, there's no logistical advantage either way. I suppose I'll nominate it as OtBP with the caveat that the question has been brought up of which column it belongs in, and let consensus decide from there. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:00, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

 * Brilliant work so far! AFAIU and as Hobbit said, AG is one of the most famous destinations in Central America, though Central America is itself one of the more OtBP areas of North America so I guess this article is another one that could fit in both categories. Ps. we have Kyoto running for next March's DotM. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:13, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

 * Ypsi - re: Kyoto, you're right, of course. My mistake! -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:24, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Charities
I removed the non-standard section Give, which has been there since the WT times, at least from 2012. It has been moved around, copy edited,some of it removed, but with no actual updates that I can see. I am not too confident that warnings in Volunteer travel don't apply. If you know the current situation and think the "live with locals" experience is worthwhile, please re-add it, with consideration of those warnings. –LPfi (talk) 09:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Antioch (California)

Negativity
While the edits of this article from an anonymous contributor are appreciated, be careful about crossing the line from cheeky (see Walnut Creek) to vicious (see Santa Rosa). "And you can also do crank. Seems like there's a lot of crank heads in the area." may be true, and might deserve some mention under "Stay safe", but putting it in a section about things to do in Antioch is probably not the best way to present the info. Ditto for the comments about bums. That said, however, I like the line about lost whales in the Delta. -- (WT-en) Ryan 02:36, 10 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * I cleared it. -- (WT-en) Colin 03:07, 10 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Pictures
Can people please add any pictures if you have any of antioch to help spruce up this page thanks. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Ralphzztop (talk • contribs)

 * There are a handful of images at http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=antioch+california - provided they are licensed under the CC-SA 3.0 or later then they can be re-used here. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:52, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

Updates
Alright - the wording and descriptions of a lot of this date years back before BART finally came to Antioch, and quite bit of this is going to need at least a look if not a re-write. I've started with the Eat section which was inexplicably separated into restaurants and a bullet list of various pizza chain restaurants (including one that wasn't even in Antioch itself). L. Challenger (talk) 09:06, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

 * Great! I'm noticing that the article also needs a map. Right now, it has only a complex locator map. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:31, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

 * Sounds good --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 15:15, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Get In
I added BART to Get In rather than get around - since Antioch only has a single BART station, unlike Oakland or San Francisco. L. Challenger (talk) 14:07, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Antwerp

There's something wrong with the drinking; it figures a drink (bolleke) and places to drink. This is confusing!

Train transport from the Netherlands
I'm quite sure there's a faster inter-country trail going from Amsterdam to France Midi. It stops only in large cities and is faster. I'm not sure this is the train mentioned already or using the regulars. It stops 100% for sure in Roosendaal and Antwerpen (and nothing in between, I took it twice before instead of using slower regular ones).

Links removed from article
''The following links were removed from the article. Information should be compiled into the article itself, not sending people away.'' -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 12:58, 3 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * resto.be is a website with almost 13000 restaurants in Belgium. Out in Antwerp has a handy search engine for restaurants. (Only in dutch)

 * Antwerp museums. (WT-en) Jelse 04:41, 30 March 2006 (EST)

Ile Afrik

 * Removed 4(!) links to the same place, clearly submitted by the owner/employee of said place (User:(WT-en) Ileafrik?). This is not an advertisement site.

 * Ile Afrik. A cafe where you can find a very cheap and tasty food, ranging from simple snacks to cold plates to warm dishes to home-made spacialities. Very popular among students and generally young people. Open daily from 11.30. Located in the cultural center, within 10 min walk from the Cathedral (aalmoezenierstraat, a side street of nationaalestraat - the big shopping street after Meir)
 * Ile Afrik. A cafe where you can find a very cheap and tasty food, ranging from simple snacks to cold plates to warm dishes to home-made spacialities. Very popular among students and generally young people. Open daily from 11.30. Located in the cultural center, within 10 min walk from the Cathedral (aalmoezenierstraat, a side street of nationaalestraat - the big shopping street after Meir)
 * Ilé Afrik, . A famous musical café with Afro-Latin (and other popular) rhithms, located in the cultural center of Antwerp, within 10 min walk from the Cathedral. Open daily from 11.30 till late night, besides Sundays and Mondays. Offers a great choice of cocktails (every Wednesday & Thursday ALL cocktails are only 3 euro !! - since the foundation 10 years ago), strong drinks, Belgian beers, special beers (banana, honey), cold and warm drinks.(Aalmoezenierstraat)
 * Ilé Afrik, . Every Tuesday at 21.00 SALSA NIGHT dance party with a DJ. Every Saturday from 23.00 TROPICAL NIGHT party with a DJ: a great mixture of Afro-Latin music as well as, all kinds of dance-hits. Very special atmosphere, lots of exotics. Quite kicking.

(WT-en) Ninja Neko 08:06, 31 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Rather than removing all of these, it would be best to figure out which of these listings was most appropriate, and leave it in that section. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 08:19, 31 July 2006 (EDT)

Stay safe: Borgerhout
I've just read in this article that Borgerhout is mentioned as an unsafe neighborhood. It happens that I'm doing Erasmus in Antwerp and I live by this area. I buy the bread, wash my clothes... in this neighborhood, I leave my bycicle unlocked and I like night walks. When I read here that this could be dangerous I felt surprised, and, inmediatly afterwards, I felt that, maybe, if girls were a bit whiter-skined and didn't wear a head-scarf no one would feel threat in this area.

Introduction
The overwhelming friendliness of the people of Antwerp -> isn't this a little bit exaggerated? I am not saying the people of Antwerp aren't friendly but I don't think this is a statement you can make in the city of Antwerp.--81.246.15.38 06:39, 3 March 2009 (EST)

Boerentoren/KBC Tower observation deck
...There is an observation deck on the 25th floor (6E entry including an exhibition downstairs), from which you get fantastic views of the city, including the nearby Cathedral.

I followed this actual advice when I visited Antwerp in 2012, when it was still on Wikitravel. KBC Tower is an office building and with no observation deck accessible to general public and no visible exhibition, so this information is either wrong or outdated. —The preceding comment was added by Cozzamara (talk • contribs)

 * In that case, it would be great if you plunge forward and edit the article accordingly. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:42, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's deleted now. Nurg (talk) 08:36, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

To Guide
This article seems good for a Usable article. In a quick look, it seems to me, what's still keeping it from Guide status is that quite a few of the hotel listings are just names, which is not very useful and in violation of policy. Is there anything else you see in this article that is in obvious need of improvement? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:57, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

 * I did quite a bit of work on this article, and I believe it is still far away from a complete guide to Antwerp. I will fill in the hotel entries in due course. It would be good if you could review the transportation sections and perhaps help fill in / expand / update the See / Do listings, and also help me add the ones missing. This is just a skeleton listing of the most important POIs in Antwerp, to a large extent outdated, as my travel plans changed and I did not visit Antwerp last year or this year, so I kinda abandoned the article. PrinceGloria (talk) 11:05, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately, I have yet to visit Antwerp, so while I can make some observations and do some copy edits, I don't know what the important sights are. I did add a photo of the Cathedral, but that's already listed as a sight. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:57, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

 * Let us work on that slowly together then and agree to meet in Antwerp at a later date to see how it stacks up and enjoy the city - it sure is worth it :D --PrinceGloria (talk) 22:07, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

 * I'd love to. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:00, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Pelgrom
Pelgrom is listed in Do and Drink. What can you "do" there apart from eat and drink? Nurg (talk) 08:16, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Ao Nang

Taj Palace
The following was added as a "review" of the Taj Palace restaurant. Follow or ignore as you wish. I am merely moving this here as it does not belong in the main article. I neither agree nor disgree with comments made - they are the opinion of the original poster (non-registered at IP 118.173.50.203) (WT-en) Nrms 09:21, 15 February 2010 (EST)

 * Update** We unfortunately just followed this positive advice with a Feb 2010 visit and were completely disappointed. The restaurant substituted a dozen baby shrimp for the normal 3 large tiger prawns priced at 550 baht, since they had run out of the big guys. We consented to the substitution because we were still promised prawns, if a bit smaller than the giants then in larger quantity in balance, but were appalled when they charged the full giant tiger prawn price for these totally inferior and dissimilar little baby shrimp they actually served. We live in Ao Nang and buy big tiger prawns at the local market for 500-700 baht per kilo, but can easily get these little, tiny, unappetizing baby shrimp that they served for 100 baht per kilo or less. There is no comparison in quality of culinary experience between giant tiger prawns and the awful little baby shrimp they embarrassingly served. It would be like getting a dozen frozen supermarket Chung King duck eggrolls because they had run out of Peking Duck, or four little 59 cent Mcdonald's burgers since they had run out of Filet Mignon, while still charging a full $30 for the 4 little substitute Mcdonald's burgers. When politely and quietly confronted with this reality away from other customers in order to preserve whatever integrity the restaurant might care to purport, the waiter insisted upon insulting us further by following me back to the table in front of other customers with continuing lame explanations and no hint of apology. We paid their full stupid tiger prawn price for little baby shrimp just in order to leave without having to incur further embarrassing insult. Their food was weak enough as it was, being acceptable but unspectacular tourist Indian food at tourist prices, but the aggressive waiter's badgering insistence in this senseless battle only confirmed our initial wonder at his inability to take our order as directed without also suggesting several appetizers, other additional courses and side dishes and more expensive upgrades to what we really wanted. Seems to me that if you want a light dinner of Indian style garlic Tiger Prawns and Lamb curry with three orders of plain standard naan, we should be able to get that without also ordering multiple appetizers, rice dishes, and extra course, and paying giant Tiger prawn prices for little tiny disappointingly bad baby shrimp. We left full, but less than content. Would not recommend.

I choose to disagree (with whoever removed my objective input in order to retain only inaccurate glowing "owner's dream" accolades for Wiki readers...) 15 March 2010

Who is it to decide that the first positive commentary on the restaurant be retained while a more recent less positive perspective be banished to a far removed page to hide this alternate real world commentary? Who is it to decide it does not remain in the main article? Could it be someone associated with the restaurant?

It is clearly inappropriate to leave intact the positive initial commentary rendering that "food was better than most in Ao Nang, with exceptionally succulent shrimp", and to then remove an objective opinion specifically based upon real world experience that shows the way it really is rather than how the owner prefers to portray his establishment.

The second less positive commentary is a direct result of a reader visiting the restaurant based upon the positive recommendation from from the first commentary, reflecting then upon a decidedly different experience that Wiki readers deserve a chance to see. Is there not room for real world experience within Wiki to police the honesty of reporting therein? Is the Wiki to be shill for any business wishing to use it for concealed free advertising? The "update" might be long, but is so specifically to factually refute the first overly broad, positive and inaccurate claim that the "food was better than most in Ao Nang", and "exceptionally succulent shrimp".

Give me a break.

You want to retain inaccurate laudatory rhetoric of the owner’s dreams and obfuscate the truth? Let the owner’s pay for their one sided advertising. Let’s preserve the Wiki for the truth, two sided if necessary to present different opinions. I did not remove their inaccurate claims in rebuting their thinly veiled advertising. Clearly they should not be able to remove my factual response to their claims. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 180.180.197.23 (talk • contribs)

 * If you look around Wikivoyage, you will notice that there are no other first person reviews, as this is meant to be a travel guide, not a review site like tripadvisor. If the place is bad enough where we should not list it here, perhaps we should simply remove it per Project:Avoid negative reviews. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:32, 15 March 2010 (EDT)
 * Which I have already done, assuming it was a valid opinion contributed in good faith, despite the fact that it wasn't made in the proper manner.(WT-en) Texugo 10:48, 15 March 2010 (EDT)

Clearly there is some problem with the system if negative feedback to inaccurate information presented is not tolerated, or if similarly a more balanced perspective is not permitted to offset unfairly positive information presented by an interested party. What is your solution to Wiki being utilized as a shill for business owners' use of the forum as free advertising medium under the guise of supposedly objective opinion, when it in fact is completely disingenuous in that regard? Aren't you making a bigger deal out of small side issues such first person reviews and negative feedback as a smokescreen to cover your real intent to protect false commentary? Isn't the integrity of information presented within Wiki a bit higher mandate than these petty issues you choose to hide behind, and not being presented in the proper manner? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 180.180.197.23 (talk • contribs)
 * Response 16 March 2010**

 * Who is this "you" you keep talking about? This is a collective project, so we're an "us", and that includes you.

 * But since you ask, our solutions are Don't tout (shilling gets trimmed away) and Avoid negative reviews (establishments that get a consensus against them are removed entirely). Feedback of any kind is certainly "tolerated", but we aim for short and snappy, so 3,000-character rants like yours belong somewhere else.

 * Also, you can click on the little "History" link for the page and see exactly who's done what -- no dodgy Indian restaurateurs in sight as far as I can see. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:07, 16 March 2010 (EDT)

I'm just glad "you" eventually took off the bad information so others are not also misled.

Whatever...

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Talk:Aosta

Comments
This is my first time editing a wikivoyage page, I hope it's up to snuff. Basically added some information about restaurants and dining in Aosta, and cleaned up some of the listings. --(WT-en) La vanessa 18:56, 1 January 2012 (EST)

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Talk:Apalachicola National Forest

Comments
Public Domain text, images, and maps from the US Forest Service is located here and here Current images on Wikivoyage shared for this article. (WT-en) gamweb 12:30, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Apalachicola_National_Forest
Only content is copied straight from wikipedia. Too fine grained, corrected information can fit as a single listing in Florida Panhandle. (WT-en) Jtesla16 20:20, 8 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Keep - Statement above is ridiculous. The two pages are not even closely related: 18,139 bytes on Wikivoyage vs. 2,871 bytes on Wikipedia? All content is either Public Domain or my own creation. Perhaps you have some other agenda? Someone could just as easily claim that Disneyworld and Everglades National Forest are copied from Wikipedia. (WT-en) gamweb 02:47, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Keep — valid article, I don't see any copyvios. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 12:56, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Apia

I removed the following from the article; I didn't think it had much information in it. ''ilike to go around to see nice places, like the beach, ore friendly people. you have to take one airplane from Australia to fly to apia and Then you begin to explore the region. Take your time and have a lovely holyday.'' --(WT-en) Evan 01:28, 4 January 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Apo Kayan

The information I contributed dates from my 1991 trip. If you have more recent information, please consider adding it or replacing mine. (WT-en) Akubra 10:59, 12 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * This is a fascinating area, and I'm glad you wrote it up so well. I'm torn whether to consider the villages as "small cities" for purposes of Wikivoyage, though. --(WT-en) Evan 13:17, 18 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Thanks for your comment, Evan. In fact, I consider the Apo Kayan one of the most memorable places I've ever been to. If I understand you correctly, you think the villages could be considered small cities in order to write separate articles for them (or am I wrong?). I was planning on writing one or two paragraphs about the villages I mentioned, but I certainly don't have enough to fill a separate article. Others might have, though. (WT-en) Akubra 15:59, 18 Apr 2004 (EDT)

In 2001 violence erupted between the Dayak and settlers. According to this site, no fatal clashes have erupted during the last 2 years. I have no idea if the Apo Kayan was affected and how the current situation is. (WT-en) Akubra 16:37, 18 Apr 2004 (EDT)

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Talk:Appalachia

Appalachia
Swept in from the pub:

Since I live in Ohio, on the fringe of Appalachia, and have been considering starting a page on Appalachia as a region. I thought it best to bring it up here rather than face a VFD for redundancy. Appalachia is a unique region of the United States and offers a lot to a prospective visitor. I have traveled through Appalachia more time that I can count, but really know very little of it, but would be willing to research it and contribute to it. It is my hope that others will help fill in the blanks and provide a map.. Places like Asheville offer much to a visitor, included could be things unique to the area like the handling of poisionous snakes at religious services being legal in West Virginia, moonshine, Blue Ridge Mountains, Appalachian Hiking Trail and so on.. We could even include the sound track for Dueling Banjo's. (just kidding). Your comments will be appreciated. (WT-en) 2old 12:15, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

 * I don't know the area, so I can't say whether it makes sense as a region or not... is it really big? does it cross multiple states? Are the areas that it encompasses already covered pretty well by smaller regions? Another idea, if it doesn't make the best sense as a region, would be to create an itinerary of it instead – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 13:31, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
 * I appreciate your response. From Wikipedia Appalachia is a term used to describe a region in the eastern United States that stretches from southern New York state to northern Alabama, Mississippi, and Georgia. Although parts of the Appalachian Mountains extend through Maine into Canada, New England is usually excluded from the definition of Appalachia. Yep, kinda big area. It is pretty much the length and width of the Appalachian Mountains. Due to the terrain, it is an area that was difficult to traverse in early history and is not all that much better now. I have wandered deep into a lot of areas, (think-mountains,trees, mountains, trees). It is really different from the rest on the US in many ways once you get into the interior. My last trip was with a buddy to pick up a bag of poisionus snakes (no kidding). I think it is way to big for an itinerary. (WT-en) 2old 14:08, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

 * Yeah, sounds way too big for a region too :(  – (WT-en) cacahuate   talk 14:16, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
 * See map. Image:Appalachia.png (WT-en) 2old 14:29, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

 * That looks really very big. You seem to want to create a mountain range article and having seen how quickly that can become a bad thing, I would certainly advice against it. See the comments above at Mountain ranges guidelines --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 14:50, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

 * Interesting idea, Mike. I agree that the area is too big and I think that may lead to generalities or spotty coverage. I would like to see the idea filter in somewhere though. Maybe as a part of South (United States of America) or W. Virginia or whatever state(s) best represents it--or even in county or other sub-regions. The name evokes an image of "poor isolated mountain areas", rather than (more deservedly) a culture. -- (WT-en) OldPine 15:24, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
 * I had not thought of it as a mountain range article, but that is a good point. Due to the unique location of this area and the absolute cultural differences in this area compared to the rest of the country, I felt an article would be in order. It really is not about the area as much as the different cultures in this area. But, I will put it on hold until it is clear that an article is appropriate. Thank you for your direction. (WT-en) 2old 15:28, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

 * Also being from Ohio, I'm kind of interested in the idea. Although, I have to say I'm actually more interested in an itinerary, something like - Touring Appalachia.  Think you could develop something like that? -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 16:15, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

 * I'd say it makes sense to have an article on this. Not sure how to classify it,though. It may not fit our definition of "region" — in particular the hierarchicality thereof — but is in fact fairly obviously a region, so I'd say make it a region article within the USA. If that breaks the hierarchy, OK. There are lots of other cases where the a straightforward hierarchical model does not fit the real world. Mediterranean Europe not including France leaps to mind, or the debate over whether Turkey belongs in Middle East as well as Europe.

 * An itinerary could also work, in addition to or perhaps instead of a region article, and it might even be shoehorned into a travel topic, Appalachian culture or some such, but I'd prefer a region. (WT-en) Pashley 08:08, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Based on the comments, there seems to be some interest in an article of some sort on this, and I appreciate all of your comments. There are other areas that face simlar ethnic and cultural differences. Examples may be Louisiana and Quebec to name a few. In the case of Quebec, which is my least favorite Wikivoyage article, it is biased towards the Francophone culture. It may be appropriate to have two articles 1. Quebec/Francophone 2.Quebec/English (English as Amish refer to non-Amish - Example Only). In that case, as in States within the Appalchian Region, the articles would have substantial differences, even though they are geographically the same. In the late 1800's and early 1900's Appalachia was a rugged, rural place. Today, if someone from outside of the country asked me to suggest three places in the USA to visit Appalchia would be on the list. While there are still rugged, remote areas, the people have adapted in various ways that include artist colonies and numerous cottage industries that could only be found outside of the cities covered in the Wikivoyage articles. It would also be interesting to visit some of these areas with you linguists and see what your evalution of people who speak in tounges is. But this is getting long and I am sure you have the idea. I thought this info may be important to the discussion. Thanks again. (WT-en) 2old 11:40, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Since Appalachian Trail is an existing itinerary, I think I will try to improve on it a little and develope more resources for the area there. Then if we decide a regional article is appropriate we can go from there. (WT-en) 2old 12:08, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

Appalachia
Appalachia, the Appalachian Region, and the Appalachian Mountains all designate different areas of the United States and Canada, should these be merged or kept separate? Nicole Sharp (talk) 09:12, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * That's a good question, Nicole. It's certainly true that the Appalachian Mountains include regions that are not normally considered part of Appalachia, but I wasn't aware that there was a geographical difference between Appalachia and the Appalachian Region. My feeling is, go ahead with this article, and once we have the content, it could always be merged with Appalachian Mountains, if that decision is made, but either way, it's good to have the content up.

 * However, there are some questions of format in this article so far. On Wikivoyage, we generally don't like numbered lists, and the standard format of city lists in regional articles is to link, with short descriptions, the 9 most important cities under "Cities," and then list up to 9 other cities/other attractions of sufficient importance to have their own article (e.g., large national or state parks, mountain ranges) under "Other destinations." A list of the top 23 Appalachian cities might or might not be good on Wikipedia, but it's not the way we do things here. Please have a look at Region article template and Wikivoyage talk:Region article template Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:24, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Chopping it down to nine is no problem. Btw for regions, I do not know how to import images, but there is one at http://www.arc.gov/research/MapsofAppalachia.asp?MAP_ID=31 the ARC is a US federal agency so all information on their website is public domain. However, the ARC subregions are mostly economic regions and do not correspond to cultural regions that a traveler would experience. "Appalachia" is a catch-all term, but for most contexts refers to the cultural as opposed to the geophysical definition. The mountains do create cultural differences from the lowlands regardless of where there are (e.g. Quebec or Massachusetts) but Appalachian culture is most strongly associated with Southern Appalachia (Georgia to West Virginia). Large parts of Virginia are extremely rugged and mountainous and within the Appalachian cultural region but excluded from the Appalachian Region for political reasons (many Virginians do not want to be labeled as "Appalachian"). Similarly, Memphis, TN and northern Mississippi are in the Appalachian Region for economic development but are outside the mountains. I would suggest keeping Appalachia and Appalachian Mountains separate to exclude Canada and New England from the more common (though less literal) definition of Appalachia and approximate the Wikivoyage Appalachian region on that set by the ARC (by merging Appalachia with Appalachian Region). Nicole Sharp (talk) 09:37, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

I moved the contents of Appalachian Region to the page for Appalachia. Nicole Sharp (talk) 09:43, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

 * Makes sense to me. I think that travelers would be more interested in the cultural and physical aspects of the region, and less interested in purely political/bureaucratic aspects, but economic regions could be relevant to travelers' experiences, too. I couldn't tell you how to transfer a map file. Perhaps someone else will chime in. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:50, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Numbered list of cities
Please make that conform to "9 most important" structure I mention above; otherwise, someone else will have to edit it. We don't like numbered lists - especially long ones - on Wikivoyage. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:20, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Dialect
The Legendary Language of the Appalachian “Holler” Pashley (talk) 03:18, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

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I removed the following URL http://members.aol.com/visitnj/ from New Jersey. It links to a website that covers that state's portion of the Appalachian Trail. The site has interesting content but some links, including significant site pages, are broken, so I do not think it is the best quality website to link to from a Wikivoyage article. But it might help someone writing this article. -- (WT-en) Huttite 04:45, 1 Dec 2005 (EST)

Walk?
I've added the content that is currently under "Prepare". I included walking as part of the preparedness and am not sure that the stuff that I wrote about walking should be moved to the "Walk" section. If someone feels like researching various pre-AT regimens that specify exact distances and the speed at which one should increase I feel the "Walk" paragraph would be more for them.

Bear Mountain - Harriman
Not a biggie, but Bear Mountain State Park and Harriman State Park are technically not the same park. --(WT-en) Wandering 12:58, 13 November 2007 (EST)
 * I have never been there, but that is the way it is reflected on the National Park Service map-So that's what I entered, feel free to amend it to a more accurate description if you like. (WT-en) 2old 13:41, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Direction
Just a quick suggestion—any itinerary-style content should probably be in order from south to north, as that is the direction that 99% of the thru-hikers take for seasonal/weather reasons. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:21, 14 November 2007 (EST)

I agree, but the strip map runs N/S, I thought it best to keep them both the same direction for those doing research. My main idea was to link the cities in Wikivoyage to the article. I thought about turning the map 180, but then the print will be upside down. I think the map will fit the list, when done, but I fear the map will then be too big. If we want to remove the map, I could reverse the direction. (WT-en) 2old 09:33, 15 November 2007 (EST)
 * Well Peter, I thought about this last night, and looked at a variety of other sites on the subject. The thru-hikers are in the minority, to the tune of less than 400 per year. The vast majority of hikers choose to make shorter day or multi-day treks along portions of the trail. My intent with the list of Cities/Parks was to connect the dots, or other Wikivoyage destinations, for the purpose of access and lodging for the majority of visitors. So, for the time being, and as I continue to research the subject and reflect on it, I think I will leave it as is. I have been looking for information regarding those who used the AT as a migration route. (WT-en) 2old 11:02, 16 November 2007 (EST)

 * I don't think anyone ever used the trail as a migration route. Peter is right about the heading north bias of through hikers but 2old is right that most AT hikers (that includes me!) usually just do a section here or a section there and that the number of through hikers is quite small. For some reason, I always think of the trail as N-S, can't explain why though!--(WT-en) Wandering 16:12, 16 November 2007 (EST)

 * Fair enough, I don't think I noticed just how l o n g that map is. And in any rate, if a thru-hiker can't figure out how to read those destinations from bottom to top, they probably aren't cut out for the preparations that a real thru-hike would require. But if we ever try to break things down into a week-by-week itinerary (and I'm not sure we should), it should go south-north, as the only people who would need that information would be heading north. In any rate, I'm convinced you're right about keeping the "destination" list running north-south, to match the map. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:39, 16 November 2007 (EST)
 * Well, I think I have done all the damage I can to this article, so I shall move on. Could find no evidence of AT being used for migration other than animals/birds. I am considering doing the downhill parts of the AT sometime. 16:35, 19 November 2007 (EST)
 * May you damage many more articles! :-) --(WT-en) Wandering 19:52, 19 November 2007 (EST)

External link
I added a link to the Appalachian Trail Conservancy. This is technically a violation of our Project:External links policy, but this seems like an obvious case for an exception to be made. Even the government nps site links to their site for nearly all relevant information. I'd say they are semi-official at least, since they take care of the trail upkeep. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:37, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

Appalacian Region Map
I think the Appalacian Region Map adds little because the trail isn't shown on it, and at times is outside of the region. Therefore I think this map should be deleted or moved much lower on the page. I think it would be much better to see an AT map in the top position instead.

Section about preparations should be moved to article about hiking in general
The section about how to prepare for walking the Appalachian Trail is well-written and informative. However, the contents apply to all long-distance trails. Why not move it to the article in WikiVoyage about "Hiking" in general? The section in the AT article could then be used for AT-specific preparations, such as maps and books, equipment for certain weather conditions, etcetera. DrMennoWolters (talk) 14:20, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

triple crown
Hello Appalachian Trail people, I just added some triple threat info for Thru hiking The Pacific Crest Trail, Appalachian Trail, and Continental Divide Trail were the first three long-distance trails in the U.S. Successfully thru-hiking all of these three trails is known as the Triple Crown of Hiking. I've hiked parts of the other two trails but I appreciate the work that has been done on this trail and I was able to bring some info over to the other two trails. I'm sure we could develop these three together better so please take a look at the other two. Lumpytrout (talk) 14:08, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Usable?
Not very, in my opinion. It's full of red links and lacks specifics north of West Virginia. I'm downgrading it to Outline. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:04, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

why won't the full Appalachian Trail route load up in the dynamic maps?
I tried to get it to show up on the Hebrew article about the Appalachian Trail, but unfortunately only segments of the trail are shown. Is there any way to get the full trail to show up ? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 15:53, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I think I have found out what is happening. In OSM, the Appalachian Trail has a relation that is tied to Wikidata. Instead of all the data being in that one relation, it has member relations with the data for the trail's path for each state on the AT. Only the Tennessee member relation is linked to the Wikidata object, while the other states are not. As for the other two blobs: The one in PA is a small segment that was assigned the main AT as a parent relation instead of the AT (PA) relation, while the one at the NY-NJ border seems to have something to do with a small national park set up nearby. It will take some time to show up on Wikivoyage, but I think I can fix these errors in OSM fairly easily (except for that weird park thing). MSG17 (talk) 20:00, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 23:50, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

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Wikivoyage talk:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense/Apple Valley (Minnesota)

Article content and tone
While I enjoy the irreverence of much of the recent edits to this article, I'm somewhat concerned that some of the information is a hoax or otherwise inaccurate. Initially the "Understand" section referred to an infamous lemonade incident, which might be a great inside joke but to an outsider is just nonsense. Listing "the parking lot at McDonald's" as a "drink" location is definitely amusing, but such edits border on satire rather than lively travel writing. Similarly, based on the writing style I suspect that some of the listings may not actually exist (Cheddar Bob's?), and non-existent listings are clearly something we don't want in guides. It would be helpful if the anonymous editor making these edits could clarify his/her goal, thus giving some insight on whether this article is simply an elaborate joke or something that is earnestly meant to be used as a travel guide, and also allowing some discussion to begin on whether things are going too far. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:52, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

 * As the author of a substantial majority of the recent edits, I can assure you it is an earnest effort to provide insight to any potential visitors. As a lifelong Apple Valley resident, I believe I have the ability to provide destinations, activities and general advice that may go undetected by the average-joe. For example, the McDonalds parking lot is a well known hangout for owners of modified imported cars, who use the area as a starting point for their nightly races. Perhaps this could be expressed more clearly in the article, or perhaps the mystery of the prose is the allure.

 * The edits initially started as a joke (i.e. the lemonade incident) however, this soon morphed into a legitimate desire to provide information about my beloved hometown. Furthermore, this page is clearly a work in progress that will be continually added to and revised over the coming weeks. I simply wanted to establish a base to work with. Prior to my edits the page, it was similar to the page for Burnsville, with essentially no information. Something is better than nothing. What is more valuable to wikivoyage, witty, humorous and entertaining prose, or the blatant advertisements from store/hotel owners that overrun wikivoyage? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 222.129.242.172 (talk • contribs)

 * To be clear, I enjoy the writing style, my concern was based more on the fact that if real data can't be distinguished from satire then an article's value as a travel guide is limited. Per Project:Tone, lively writing is very much encouraged, and it looks like you've added a lot of good and interesting info, so please keep at it. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:38, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

Your concern is noted and necessary adjustments will be made. Cheddar Bob's (although real) has been deleted due to wikivoyage's policy regarding illegal activities. Furthermore, the McDonalds parking lot has been moved to the "do" section to better reflect its true nature. Please note any further concerns.

 * I'm thoroughly enjoying this read ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:26, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

"A new fleet of 2008 models will be sure to give you minutes of fun." That is undoubtedly the best description of a segway tour that I've ever read. Whoever is writing this article needs to consider a career in marketing. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:43, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

OK. It is an extremely funny read but I think it is a bit overboard. Specifically: That's my take. I didn't plunge forward because of previous expressions of appreciation for the humor voiced above, but I really think it needs to be pared down quite a bit. There is a difference between lively writing and having so many jokes that you can't be sure which parts are real. (WT-en) Texugo 00:59, 7 September 2010 (EDT)
 * Two joke photos that are not at all what they purport and don't actually illustrate anything legitimate
 * Off-the-cuff implications that Wiccans have sacrifice rituals, and that the readers use hookers, dress like strippers, buy marijuana, contract venereal diseases, watch porn and take cyanide might be seen as inappropriate or even offensive to some people
 * The first paragraph of Understand is a complete farce, yet most casual readers unfamiliar with the place have no idea at first. I'd prefer a more realistic introduction here.
 * The detailed airport information should probably be left to Minneapolis-St. Paul's article
 * The Architecture section is kind of baffling. Are there any important/interesting architectural works here or not? If so, where are they? Why the discussion (and fake picture) of the blizzard and the extended joke about the town building skyscrapers to rival Chicago and New York. Are there actually any interesting churches beside the Lutheran one mentioned? What is the target of the polish sausage on a bun joke?
 * The Learn section is all fluff and doesn't offer anything for the traveller except possibly the Apple Valley Community Center (is it really something you would honestly recommend for a visitor?), which is double-listed in the Do section as well
 * The Work section is all fluff and doesn't seem to offer any real information about possibilities for the traveler
 * Arby's/Sbarro/Wendy's - I don't think these should be allowed to take up space just because they are funny. Without the humor, and in most any other article they'd quickly be deleted. This kind of stuff might go well in the USA article but here it's just more laughs in an already jokey article.
 * The listing for Taste of Liang spends 10 sentences to tell a ridiculous story, but neglects to tell us what kind of food and atmosphere we can actually expect.
 * The only publication that sounds worth listing in the Cope section is The Sailor-- the others are either state-wide publications that need not be listed here, or local zines described as useless and boring
 * Fictitious Methodist Church listing on "God St."?
 * Television and Foreign consulates sections can probably go.

 * Don't hate. Like anyone is ever going to look at this crappy, completely forgettable suburb's page anyway. Leave it alone for the sake of the bored office worker hitting 'random page' for the 104th time in a row waiting for the clock to hit 5:00 and contemplating how to kill themselves (on a related note, that's how this article came to be). You can save a life today by leaving this page as a witty, humorous exception to Wikivoyage's totalitarian, no-fun regime. User:(WT-en) The Guy who wrote most of this article
 * Not hating. Just think it's not really in the Wikivoyage spirit to say "this place sucks anyway so let's fill the whole article with funny stuff". I'm sure there are some out there who are proud to live there. (WT-en) Texugo 21:19, 12 September 2010 (EDT)

 * I'd agree that anything fictitious should be removed, although I also am encouraged by the fact that this travel guide is such an entertaining read. It's completely possible to write about actual sights, restaurants, etc in this town in an entertaining way without straying into fantasy, so I'd encourage removal of anything fictitious while keeping the rest. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:44, 12 September 2010 (EDT)

With a broken URL and Google searches that only point back to Wikivoyage or mirror sites, I'm pretty sure this place only exists in the imagination of the author: (WT-en) Eco84 20:43, 11 December 2010 (EST)
 * Sensible and economically sound lodging option for students or backpackers looking for a spot to stay the night. Free breakfast served in the morning, around 5:00 AM. Hot showers and flush toilets available. Prior to going to bed, make sure to administer the black light test to your bunk.

 * I'm beginning to agree with (WT-en) Texugo. Our tone Tone guidelines discourage sarcasm, inside jokes, etc.  No one wants to be a spoilsport, lets move this to our humor section, and extract a real travel guide.  --(WT-en) Inas 19:16, 6 December 2011 (EST)

To feature?

 * Apple Valley (Minnesota) was nominated for destination of the month on 18 August 2010
 * Apple Valley (Minnesota) was nominated for Discover on 12 February 2017.

See also Wikivoyage:Travellers' pub#Have a look at Apple Valley (Minnesota)...


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Ryanair fly to Bari and Brindisi from Stansted London. There are often good flight deals available on their website: www.ryanair.com. One problem is that if you are getting a conecting flight to Stansted before Bari you may need to stay overnight in London as the Bari flight is very early. Consider flying in to Brindisi and home from Bari.

[edit]By train Train from Rome can take about 6 hours and is usually very packed. Don't forget to validate your ticket!

[edit]See Trulis in Alberobello, Old town in Bari, Trani, Beach at Monopoli.

 * Uh, I'm not sure why the above cut-and-paste, but I removed the empty stuff so it'll be easier to merge into the article... (WT-en) Majnoona 08:42, 27 February 2006 (EST)

Salento
Please create a page "Salento" Salento is a region of Apulia

 * Hi! You can create this page simply by placing around the article name-- Salentao see? You may also want to check out Project:Tips for new contributors and create a user account. Hope this Helps! (WT-en) Majnoona 08:41, 27 February 2006 (EST)

 * For Salento is an article out of Apulia. I have written Salento(Apulia) for this region.

(WT-en) Pz-engl 12:46, 4 April 2008

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Comments
I have invited by email the Wampanoag Tribe administrator to help with this page. (WT-en) OldPine 11:03, 9 June 2006 (EDT)

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Table
Anyone know why the table on this page is turning out so badly? I think it has to do with the 1.6.x upgrade. --(WT-en) Evan 15:57, 17 April 2006 (EDT)

 * There were two column tags that weren't closed, now fixed. I posted a request for comment about using templates for quickbars in the Travelers' pub - that would avoid this kind of problem, and I think make it easier for those unfamiliar with HTML to update and add to the quickbars.  Could you add your comments as to whether using templates for quickbars is something you would support? -- (WT-en) Ryan 16:31, 17 April 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Arabic phrasebook

"It has a different alphabet than most European languages." I don't know of any European languages written in the Arabic alphabet. Turkish used to be written in it, but isn't now, and Maltese, which is closely related to Arabic, is written in the Latin alphabet. There are Indo-European languages, such as Farsi and Urdu, writte in the Arabic alphabet, but they aren't European. -(WT-en) phma 16:31, 2 Feb 2004 (EST)

 * Good point! I changed the wording to say that Arabic's alphabet is different from the Roman alphabet used for English (which is probably the most cogent point). We could spend an awful long time enumerating all the languages Arabic's alphabet is different from. B-)

 * It's also different from the Cyrillic alphabet, which is used in Europe, but not for the Cyrillic language :)

 * On another point: is there another word for this alphabet besides "Arabic"? "Arabic uses the Arabic alphabet" sounds tautological. (Of course, it's not: for example, Arabic doesn't use what we call "Arabic numerals.") --(WT-en) Evan 16:58, 2 Feb 2004 (EST)

 * Arabic uses Arabic numerals, it just writes them differently (see the Hindi phrasebook). And other languages use the Arabic alphabet. -(WT-en) phma 00:30, 3 Feb 2004 (EST)

 * Doesn't look like it-- Omniglot just calls it "Arabic." I think that Language + "Alphabet" is more common than say, names like "Devanāgarī"  User:(WT-en) Maj

Dialect discussion
Which Arabic dialect or language does this phrasebook describe? I know abit of Palestinian Arabic, and the expressions do not seem to match. I also have an Iraqi friend, who says that Egyptian Arabic is not comprehensible for her, even in everyday things sometimes. Shouldn't there be seperate phrasebooks?

As a Wikipedian and Traveller (in multiple senses), I would say that we necessitate multiple dialectal versions. "Slang" Arabic is completely different from the written norm. Additionally, we should explain voicing and include the vowel markers for clarity.

 * Looks like Modern Standard Arabic to me. This is the closest there is to a standard in the Arab world, but yes, the differences between the dialects should be emphasized. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:41, 5 Nov 2004 (EST)

 * It's definately not Palestinian/Jordanian dialect. - (WT-en) Cybjorg 12:17, 13 Feb 2006 (EST)
 * If I had to wager a guess, I would say that this phrasebook incorporates an Egyptian dialect. - (WT-en) Cybjorg 04:28, 17 Feb 2006 (EST)

I think that it should be made seperate. Jay Jay Marcus Keize13 (talk) 13:01, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Alternate Arabic dialect phrasebooks
I know that there was a discussion months ago about having different phrasebooks for different dialects, but I couldn't find any (I was looking for Lebanese Arabic). So I've plunged forward and started creating a Lebanese Arabic phrasebook. More info on Talk:Lebanese Arabic phrasebook.

 * I'll probably follow your cue and start a Jordanian Arabic phrasebook as soon as I get a chance. - (WT-en) Cybjorg 12:38, 13 Feb 2006 (EST)
 * I have started the Jordanian Arabic phrasebook, which should cover both Palestine and Jordan (with only slight differences). It is a work in progress and I should be able to finish up within the next couple of weeks. - (WT-en) Cybjorg 04:24, 17 Feb 2006 (EST)

thanx guys very much!! waiting for more!! also other dialects would be interesting! (gulf, maghreb)

Convert everything to fousha?
With a levantine phrasebook and a Jordanian, I see no need for lebanese glossary in this one. Shouldn't we just convert everything to Modern Standard Arabic? I don't really know how useful that is for travellers though? (WT-en) Lakerhaug
 * No one in North Africa or West Asia speaks Literary Arabic or replies in it. It is mostly written, not spoken :) --(WT-en) MKM 06:29, 23 July 2011 (EDT)

dialect
I like how this claims to be MSA, but what is written with roman characters (often not matching up to the Arabic script right next to it) is obviously dialect! Good to see that as always, any article describing anything other than major sports teams in the United States on a website starting with "wiki-" is garbage unfit for human consumption!
 * Could you please sign your contributions? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:18, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

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Provinces
The Spanish names should really be used but the English ones are in the map. Ideally the map should be updated. --(WT-en) Terence s 18:29, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

 * I noticed the same before reading your comment--and even plunged forward to update province names in the article. Before we have updated map, I referred to English names of respective provinces in the text. Let me know if there's a better way of dealing with this. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 12:53, 9 September 2007 (EDT)

 * Left a comment in wts:Image talk:AragonProvinces Outline Spain.png requesting update. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 03:51, 16 September 2007 (EDT)

The map isn't shows the English ones, shows the catalonian names! which is so offensive to aragonese people due to catalan neocolonialism. Nowadays the Aragonese Goverment has aproved a law to protect the "fabla" (aragonese language)and the aragonese variety of catalan use in some east aragonese towns. Another airport has been build in Huesca.

Please change the map

Thanks

--Aragonés 18:18, 10 April 2010 (EDT)

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Can anyone else find info this place. I didn't find anything on the Getty Thesuarus of Geographic Names or Wikipedia. I googled it, but all I got was some kind of telecommunications website. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 06:52, 27 June 2006 (EDT)

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What does "Making food is from the side of travelers" (in the "Get In" section) refer to? Thanks, (WT-en) JYolkowski 22:04, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

 * Hmm, that is a very interesting sentence construction ;) I'm pretty sure that means travelers cook there own food, although drivers provide the pots.  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:10, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Makes sense to me, I'll update that sentence. (WT-en) JYolkowski 21:01, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh, oops, I was in a hurry so accidentally made a direct translation from Lithuanian :) thanks for editing

Merge?
According to our "what is an article?" policy, we don't do bodies of water. I propose we merge this article into the nearby city of Aral. Selfie City (talk) 01:56, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

 * This isn't mainly a body water but an attraction for people who want to see an environmental disaster, and you can't see all of it right near the city of Aral, so I'm a bit skeptical on a merge, but I'm willing to hear out an argument. What would the listing look like in Aral, if it's moved there? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:02, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

 * I would assume something like this:

 * Aral Sea (south of Aral). Once one of the largest lakes in the world, the lake has retreated over the years and now much of its former lake bed is desert. The remnants of the Aral Sea are now two separate lakes, with the one near Aral surviving better than the once much larger one to the south in Uzbekistan.

 * Also, we could make this a listing in Central Asia or something of that nature. Selfie City (talk) 15:16, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

 * Like Ikan just said, the region that used to be a lake is not just next to Aral, but covers a much larger area. I'd either move the information to Central Asia or to both Northern Uzbekistan and Kazakh Desert. --ϒpsilon (talk) 15:33, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

 * Agreed. Selfie City (talk) 15:40, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

 * By the way, another similar article is Pyramid Lake, which really is just a lake. In my opinion, definitely should be deleted, with some merging. Selfie City (talk) 15:49, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

 * Before taking a final decision on this, Ikan Kekek, what's your point of view with the current state of this article and this discussion? Selfie City (talk) 22:10, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

 * First, on Pyramid Lake, the "See" section demonstrates that the article isn't only about water. I would suggest not deleting that article. Second, on this article: Since it's divided between two republics, it does make sense to breadcrumb it to Central Asia, but I wouldn't support deletion and made the point about why above. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:40, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

What if we made these articles extraregion articles? Selfie City (talk) 14:16, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

 * This one could be, sure. I guess I don't agree with the notion that a body of water can't have its own article, and I don't think WV:Bodies of water clearly states that, either. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:40, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

 * I think, however, we should clearly state in one of our policy pages that articles such as this one are permitted. --- Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:42, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

 * Also, just for the record, I have made the change to extraregion by changing the template at the bottom of the article. --- Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:44, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

 * As I see it, the lake (or rather what's left of it) is the destinations here, for which the travellers hit the road, through miles and miles of desert. All of the proposals seem problematic in some way:
 * Merge with Aral — Aral is only one of the main approaches to the lake, and probably the less popular one.
 * Convert to a listing at Central Asia, Northern Uzbekistan and Kazakh Desert — Central Asia is a huge region, and only a fraction of travellers to it would be interested in the Aral Sea. Northern Uzbekistan and Kazakh Desert may be more relevant, but why divide or duplicate the information in two seperate articles? Besides, we generally don't do listings in region articles.
 * Convert to an extra region — well, the Aral Sea is not a region overlapping with hierarchical regions and there are no communities or regions that could be listed under it.
 * So, my take on this would be, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Being a destination in itself as it is, the Aral Sea could be an exception to our bodies of water guideline. Vidimian (talk) 19:39, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

 * I already turned this into an extraregion article, and while that might not be the perfect solution, it makes more sense than calling the area a park. And is the Aral Sea really a destination in itself? Do many tourists actually visit it? I doubt whether all the sections of this article will ever have content. I know that normally we don't delete real places, but maybe in this situation something along those lines is the best thing to do. --- Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:50, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

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I removed the extra link to http://www.doolinferry.com/, since there was one in the page already. --(WT-en) Evan 20:09, 4 December 2006 (EST)

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TAT Listings
Moved some TAT listings to Talk:Aranyaprathet/Listings for future reference. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 01:06, 3 February 2010 (EST)

train times
The following was inderted in the article. I have moved it here.(WT-en) Shep 05:51, 6 February 2010 (EST)
 * [I question the original author's Aranyaprathet->Bangkok times. This: http://www.seat61.com/Thailand.htm#Aranyaprathet seems to indicate only 6:40 and 13:55.  Really, how can there be two return trains for each outbound?]

Change at Hua Lampong only for train freaks?
My experience is actually quite favourable. The atmosphere of Hua Lamphong (Bangkok main station) is an experience itself. A disadvantage is that the railway station of the village of Don Muang is a little farther from the airport, and buses bring you closer. Anyway, the importance of Don Muan airport is decreasing. (WT-en) Rbakels 06:44, 21 July 2012 (EDT)
 * I agree, Hualamphong has a good atmosphere but taking the train from Aran to Don Muang is not exactly convenient. Only the morning train to Bangkok would be of use and to get to that airport would take maybe 10 hours given lateness and waiting at Hualamphong. Driving would take maybe half that time. The train would be very cheap though. (WT-en) Travelpleb 01:27, 29 July 2012 (EDT)

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Amphoe Aranyaprathet
The Replica of Phra Siam Devadhiraj Image (พระสยามเทวาธิราช) is in front of the Aranyaprathet District Police Station. The image is 1.29 metres high. Phra Uthai Thammathari, the abbot of Wat Pa Mafai, had the replica constructed in 1975. Later, the people built a spired shelter to house the image. The laying ceremony of the foundation stone was held on 20 December, 1985. Due to the unrest inside the Cambodian border connecting to Aranyaprathet District for more than 7 years, Phrakhru Uthai Thammathari, therefore, gave the replica to Prachin Buri (at that time). The replica was taken to the frontier for protecting the soldiers, policemen, and people from the fighting. At present, Phra Siam Devadhiraj is a sacred image of the people of Aranyaprathet and those in the nearby provinces.

Wat Anubanphot or Khao Noi (วัดอนุบรรพต หรือ เขาน้อย) is located at 66 Mu 6, Ban Mai Nong Sai Sub-district, approximately 1km on Thanawithi Road from the intersection, connecting Suwannason Road. It was constructed in 1925 or during the reign of King Rama VI. Inside the temple is a beautiful ordination hall, different from others because of its square base with a width of 11.5 metres, and its pointed traditional Thai spired roof decorated in the Thai style of art. Inside the hall houses a brass replica of the Buddha’s footprint which has been widely respected among the people of Aranyaprathet.

The Plant Genetic Preservation Project under the Royal Initiative of Her Royal Highness Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn (โครงการอนุรักษ์พันธุกรรมพืช อันเนื่อง��าจากพระราชดำริ สมเด็จพระเทพรัตนราชสุดาฯ สยามบรมราชกุมารี) is situated within the compound of the Border Patrol Police Division 12, Aranyaprathet, on Thanawithi Road, Ban Mai Nong Sai Sub-district. It is open as an ecotourism attraction for tourists with a speaker guiding around the place and providing an explanation on various species of plants, herbs, as well as, the 1,500 – 2,000 flying foxes, residing in this area for 10 years. The distance from the town of Aranyaprathet to the division is approximately 4km. For further information, please contact Tel. 0 3723 1096, 0 3723 1869, 0 3723 1012.

Prasat Khao Noi Si Chomphu (ปราสาทเขาน้อยสีชมพู) is located within the compound of Wat Khao Noi (Si Chomphu), Khlong Nam Sai Sub-district, 12km from the Aranyaprathet District to the south. This ancient remain is on the top of Khao Noi, which is a limestone mountain, 130 metres from the ground. There are 254 stair steps up to the Prasat. Otherwise, it can be accessible by car, passing Wat Khao Noi (Si Chomphu) along the 1-kilometre route around the mountain. Walk further for approximately 250 metres. It is assumed that the Prasat was constructed during the 7th century and was later renovated in the 10th century. It significance lasted until the 11th century. It is believed to have been a Hindu shrine. The Prasat is made of bricks without any use of mortar. It comprises 3 brick constructions; namely, the northern Prang, the central Prang, and the southern Wihan. However, only the central one remains in quite a good condition, while only the bases of the northern and the southern ones are left. In 1935, Prasat Khao Noi was registered as a national ancient monument by the Fine Arts Department. There have been many surveys and excavations unearthing various artefacts such as those made of metal, pottery, 5 sandstone lintels, an inscription indicating the construction period of the Prasat called “Khao Noi Inscription”, and a sandstone lintel in the Sombor Prei Kuk style, aged around the 7th century. The stone inscription indicates the year 637, which is considered as the oldest inscription of the country. The artefacts from the excavations were collected and displayed at the Prachin Buri National Museum.

To get there:	From Thahan Ruam Chit Road, passing Wat Chana Chai Si, along Highway 3067 for 500 metres, turn left for 12km, passing the Na Dong Checkpoint, and Wat Pa Aranyawasi. Wat Khao Noi (Si Chomphu) will be on the right. Pass the temple until reaching the intersection. Turn right along the way up to the mountain for approximately 1km. There will be a moderate size parking lot. Walk further for approximately 250 metres.

Prasat Mueang Phai (ปราสาทเมืองไผ่) is in Mueang Phai Sub-district. The interesting object is an ancient chedi made of bricks into a rectangular shape with 4 porticos engraved into beautiful floral, vine and personage designs. It is assumed to be a chedi of the Dvaravati style. Moreover, there has been a discovery of various kinds of art objects such as Dharmacakra – the wheel of the doctrine – made of greenish stone, god’s images in the Lop Buri style of art, and Buddha images in the Dvaravati style. These artefacts are at present well preserved at the Bangkok National Museum.

To get there:	Take the Aranyaprathet Route, pass the clock tower and go to Rat Uthit Road. Turn right at the crossroads to Ban Nong Thao (Aranyaprathet – Mueang Phai) for approximately 7km until reaching Mueang Phai Sub-district. A direction sign of Prasat Mueang Phai will be on the left hand side. Go along the road for 400 metres, there will be ruins. Otherwise, turn right for 300 metres, a sign indicating the other site of Prasat Mueang Phai will be seen. Visitors will have to walk for approximately 15km to get there.

Talat Rong Kluea or Talat Chaidaen Ban Khlong Luek (ตลาดโรงเกลือหรือ ตลาดชายแดนบ้านคลองลึก) is located at Ban Khlong Luek, Tha Kham Sub-district, 6km from Aranyaprathet District to the east, bordering with the Thailand – Cambodia frontier. It can be reached by taking Highway No. 33 (Sa Kaew – Aranyaprathet). Talat Rong Kluea is an important border market on the Thai side. The word “Rong Kluea” has originally been called because this location was once a place to reserve salt - Kluea - for further sale to the Cambodians as an ingredient to preserve fish. Then, the necessity to use salt decreased, together with the fighting inside Cambodia from 1979 – 1993, causing the Cambodians to face famine. Therefore, Thailand came to help to solve the problem. Shops in the market are constructed in the style of school buildings, divided into rooms. Most products are from the Cambodian border such as brass products, glazed products, ceramics, crockery, clothes, curtains, electronic appliances from Russia, woven products, dried fish, etc. Go further from the market for 500 metres to reach the Khlong Luek Checkpoint to Talat Poi Pet of Cambodia. From the Ban Khlong Luek border market; there will be a van and a pick-up rental service of the tour agent to Talat Poi Pet, in Siem Riep which is the location of Angkor Wat and Angkor Thom. For further information, please contact Talat Ban Khlong Luek.

Note At present, Khlong Luek Checkpoint is open from 7.00 a.m. – 8.00 p.m. Visitors who wish to cross the Thailand – Cambodia border have to comply with the following regulations:

Contact the Embassy of the Kingdom of Cambodia in Thailand in advance for information at the Sa Kaew Office Tel. 0 3742 5066-7, Aranyaprathet Immigration Checkpoint Tel. 0 3723 1131, Aranyaprathet Customs Office Tel. 0 3723 1214, and TAT Central Region Office: Region 8 Tel. 0 3731 2282, 0 3731 2284. The Kingdom of Cambodia will not allow tourists to bring cameras nor video recorders into the country. Moreover, items such as scale, wild animals, products from wild animals, onions, and garlic are prohibited to be brought from Thailand into Cambodia and vice versa.

To get there:	There is a Song Thaeo service from Aranyaprathet District to Talat Rong Kluea, costing 7 baht or a motorcycle service costing 50 Baht.

Aranyaprathet Victory Gate (ประตูชัยอรัญประเทศ) is situated on the Thailand – Cambodia border at Ban Khlong Luek, Tha Kham Sub-district. The gate was constructed in 1939. The gate consists of two posts standing on the opposite sides of the road. The shape of the left one is preserved to commemorate the brave soldiers who passed away and were injured from the battle at the frontier on the Khlong Luek side. This post is in a hexagonal shape with a height of 15 metres. Its base was a guard room but was ruined from the fighting. Therefore, renovation was conducted in 1959. On the other hand, the right one was reconstructed into a large marble boundary stone with a Garuda – mythical bird-man – image on top and an engraved word of “Thailand” below, facing toward Cambodia.

King Amphoe Khok Sung
Prasat Sadok Kok Thom (ปราสาทสด๊กก๊อกธม) is a large important ancient monument of Sa Kaew Province, located at Ban Nong Samet, Khok Sung Sub-district. It is assumed to have been constructed during the 10th century as an enshrining place of the revered images and a venue for conducting ceremonies after the Hindu belief. The remains comprise 3 towers, facing towards the East, a moat surrounding its 4 sides, as well as, 2 boundary walls: the outer one made of laterite, while the inner one, sandstone. The sanctuary was made of sandstone whose Gopura entrance gates on the east and the west still remain. Inside the surrounding gallery and in front of the main central Prang tower lie 2 constructions of sandstone Bannalai or libraries. The central tower and the one on the left hand side are ruined. In accordance with an inscription, the sanctuary was mentioned as the enshrining venue of a linga. Outside the Prasat in the east is a large rectangular pond. They are connected to each other by a stone-paved path. There was a discovery of 2 stone inscriptions in ancient Khmer script. They are important evidence indicating this Prasat’s construction period, as well as, objective. The second stone inscription implies that it was erected to praise the honour of King Udayadityavarman II on the completion of the Prasat’s renovation in 1052. The word Sadok Kok Thom means “a city with abundant reeds in a large swamp”. At present, the ancient large swamp can still be seen near the Prasat, while both stone inscriptions have been preserved at the National Library, the Fine Arts Department.

To get there:	Take the Aranyaprathet – Ta Phraya Route (Highway No. 348) for approximately 25.5km to Highway No. 3381. Turn right for 8km. The Khok Sung Public Health Centre will be on the right. Turn left and go further along the road for 4km, passing Ban Nong Samet School to Km. 12. Turn right further for 2.5km to the Prasat.

Amphoe Ta Phraya
Lalu (ละลุ) is a new natural tourist attraction of Sa Kaew, located at Ban Noen Kham and Ban Khlong Yang, Thappharat Sub-district, 36km from the District Office. Lalu in Khmer language means “penetrated”. It is a natural phenomenon caused by the erosion of rainwater and the subsidence or collapse of soil. The condition of some part of the soil at this place is hard and durable. However, the wind has eroded it into many shapes similar to a city wall or cliffs, while some are pillars similar to those in “Phae Mueang Phi” of Phrae province, but smaller in size. Therefore, some people call it “A New Phae Mueang Phi”. As it covers an area of more than 2,000 rai, Lalu possesses beauty and uniqueness, suitable for a visit. Moreover, accommodation is provided at the Service Centre or visitors can stay at the locals’ houses. Please contact local officers for the local transportation service, as well as, a guide or a local junior one at Achan Ramphai, Tel. 0 3724 3229, 08 9094 0772 or 08 1723 4322 (after 6.00 p.m.), or Khun Yingyong (an officer of the Sub-district Administration Organisation) Tel. 08 9099 9734. (The transport rental fee is around 120 – 160 Baht for 8 – 10 persons). To get there:	From Aranyaprathet District, go along Highway No. 348 (Aranyaprathet – Ta Phraya). Turn left at Ban Kut Toei at Km. 35 - 36 and proceed further along Highway No. 3486 (Ban Kho Khlan – Nong Phak Waen) for 18km. From Ban Nong Phak Waen, go along the laterite road for 1km to the village.

Prasat Khao Lon (ปราสาทเขาโล้น) is situated at Ban Charoen Suk, Thappharat Sub-district. The Prasat stands in the compound of Wat Prasat Khao Lon on the summit of Khao Lon, a small hill located at the foot of Khao Sakae Krong. It comprises 4 Prang towers, but only the central one remains until the present time. The other 3, 2 at the front and 1 at the back, have already been ruined. Its characteristics are similar to Prasat Khao Noi which was constructed of bricks on a sandstone base. The top of the Prasat has been broken, while on the sandstone doorframe appears an ancient inscription. In the northeastern side of the Prasat lie 2 large ponds connected to the Prasat by an ancient path. There are traces of a village or ancient community in the past surrounding this mountain.

To get there: Take Highway No. 3068 (Ta Phraya – Buri Ram) and turn left to Ban Charoen Suk until reaching the foot of the mountain, where the Prasat is located. The distance from Ta Phraya District to Prasat Khao Lon is approximately 28km on Highway 3486 at Km. 15-16.

Ta Phraya National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติตาพระยา) was acclaimed a national park in 1996, covering an area of 371,250 rai or 594 square kilometres. The park comprises long mountain ranges, connecting to Pang Sida National Park in the west and stretching to the Kingdom of Cambodia in the east, Thap Lan National Park and Buri Ram Province in the north, and Ta Phraya District, Sa Kaew, in the south. The Office of the National Park is also situated at this side of the park.

Geographically, it comprises a plain surrounded by mountain ranges. The important range of the national park is Banthat mountain range stretching to the east. It is a natural boundary bordering Thailand and Cambodia. At the mountain slope is a plain where abundant plants grow. The forest is in perfect condition comprising mixed deciduous forest, dry evergreen forest, and deciduous dipterocarp forest. It is an origin of many streams such as Lam Saton, Huai Sap Kradon and Lam Nang Rong, as well as, a habitat of a variety of fauna such as gaurs, wild boars, barking deer, deer, mouse deer, bears, tigers, Asian golden cats, bantengs, hyenas, jungle cats, elephants, porcupines, mongooses, etc. Moreover, there are more than 300 species of birds in the forest such as minivets, blue magpies, woodpeckers, black-crowned night-herons, emerald doves, white-rumped shamas, red jungle fowls, pheasants, and hawks. The distinctive point of this national park is the variety of nature study routes for tourists. They are suitable for those who like bird-watching, butterfly-watching, and studying species of plants and animals. Along the route, there will be a salt lick, Nam Sap – water seepage, and viewpoint spots. Various kinds of birds and beauty of both sides of the forest will be seen. The scenery below is also admirable. Furthermore, there is a Pong Yup whose characteristics are similar to Lalu and Phae Mueang Phi, but smaller in size. It covers an area of 40 square metres.

Interesting Attractions within the Park

The Viewpoint Spot on Phanom Dong Rak Mountain Range (จุดชมวิวบนเทือกเขาพนมดงรัก) where Phran Nut and Sakae Krong Mountain Ranges will be seen. It is located 3km from the Office of the National Park.

Lan Krachiao (ลานกระเจียว) is a stone terrace where there is the splendour of Krachiao - curcuma - blossom and a perfect condition of the forest.

Chong O-Bok (ช่องโอบก) is a viewpoint at the end of Thailand’s frontier. From this spot, abundant forests and villages in the Kingdom of Cambodia can be seen. To get there: Take Highway No. 2121 to Sai Tho 1 Road.

Mi Akson Shrine (ศาลมีอักษร) houses the royal handwriting of King Rama V. It is situated on Highway 3068. Tourists usually come to pay respect to the shrine and admire the scenery at this place.

Khao Yak (เขายักษ์) is an ancient picture of a hermit engraved on a large stone, located at the entrance to the national park at Km.5.

Lan Hin Tat (ลานหินตัด) is a stone quarry with traces of the stone cutting process to construct a Prasat, as well as, is a venue where beautiful nature can be admired. Take Highway No. 2121 and walk along Sai Tri 4 Road.

To get there:
 * By car		Take Highway 33, passing Mueang Sa Kaew District and Watthana Nakhon District. At Aranyaprathet District, turn left into Highway 348 around Km. 76, approximately 27km passing Ta Phraya District, the entrance to the Office of the National Park will be seen. It is a laterite road stretching for 13km to the Office.
 * By bus		From Aranyaprathet, take the Aranyaprathet – Buri Ram bus for approximately 1 hour to Wat Khao Chong Tako which is opposite the Office of the National Park.

The entrance fee to the national park is 400 Baht for an adult, 200 Baht for a child, 10 Baht for a bicycle, 20 Baht for a motorcycle, 30 Baht for a 4-wheeled vehicle, and 100 Baht for a 6-wheeled vehicle. The park also provides accommodation and a camping site for those who wish to stay overnight. However, they have to bring their own bedding, tents and food. The park will provide only a small cooking and dining area. Contact the Ta Phraya National Park directly at P.O. Box 9, Non Din Daeng District, Buri Ram Province, Tel. 08 1723 5663, 08 9095 4438, 0 3749 8002.

Huai Yang Reservoir (อ่างเก็บน้ำห้วยยาง) is located at Mu 8, Ban Khok Krat, Thappharat Sub-district. From Sa Kaew Province, take Highway No. 33 to Aranyaprathet District. Turn left to Ta Phraya District for 37km and turn left again at the To Cho Do (Border Patrol Police) Checkpoint at Ban Kut Toei and go straight on for 10km. Turn left into Huai Yang Reservoir for 3km. It is suitable for relaxation and dining at the restaurant by the reservoir. For further information, contact the Sa Kaew Irrigation Project, 222 Mu 11, Watthana Nakhon Sub-district, Watthana Nakhon District, Sa Kaew Province 27160.

Golf
Burapha Driving Range 3 (สนามฝึกกอล์ฟบูรพา 3) is at 1 Suwannason Road, Aranyaprathet Sub-district, Tel. 0 3723 1172.

Buy
Antiques and Used Objects (ของโบราณ ของเก่า) are products made of brass, wood, and ceramic. Most of them are replicas of the arts and patterns of ancient objects found at the frontier such as terra cotta Buddha images, god images in various stone Prasats. The antique shops include the Pho Kaew Antique, located at 75 Chit Suwan Road in Aranyaprathet District, offering antiques and used objects. Contact Tel. 0 3723 2933, 0 3722 8098.

Aranyaprathet Arts and Sandstone Souvenirs (ศิลปะ – หินทรายของที่ระลึกแห่งเมือง��รัญฯ) is at 91/4 Suwannason Road, Aranyaprathet Sub-district, Aranyaprathet District, Sa Kaew, Tel. 0 3723 2371.

Amphoe Aranyaprathet

 * Aran Chai Hotel (อรัญชัย) 40 Suwannason Road (Tel: 0 3723 1134), 19 rooms: 150-250 baht

 * Aran Garden 1 (อรัญการ์เด้น 1) 59/1-7 Rat Uthit Road (Tel: 0 3723 1836, 0 3723 2588-9), 30 rooms: 150-200 baht

 * Aran Garden 2 (อรัญการ์เด้น 2) 110 Rat Uthit Road (Tel: 0 3723 1070, 0 3723 1837, 0 3723 1905-7), 30 rooms: 160-400 baht

 * Aran Park (อรัญปาร์ค) 152 Suwannason Road, Tambon Ban Mai Nong Sai (Tel: 0 3723 2588-89 Fax: 0 3723 2115), 60 rooms: 500-950 baht

 * Chai Suk Bungalow (ฉายสุขบังกะโล) Suwannason Road (Tel: 0 3723 1148, 0 3723 1175), 26 rooms: 250-500 baht
 * Inter (อินเตอร์) 108/7 Soi Ban Aran, Chatasing Road (Tel: 0 3723 1291, 0 3723 1848 Fax: 0 3723 1848), 38 rooms: 400-1,000 baht

 * Khao Noi Guest House (เขาน้���ยเกสท์เฮ้าส์) 273 Mu 2 Thanawithi Road, Tambon Ban Mai Nong Sai (Tel: 0 3722 3432-5, 0 3723 1637), 40 rooms: 250-550 baht

 * Phon Sakun Resort (พรสกุลรีสอร์ท) 15/1 Suwannason Road (Tel: 0 3723 2056), 12 rooms: 250-500 baht

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 01:09, 3 February 2010 (EST)

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Removed information
I removed most of the information the creator of this page provided. Some of the information was fairly dubious (hint: AIA is Athens International Airport), so the rest of it was of questionable value. -- (WT-en) Jonboy 23:15, 24 January 2007 (EST)

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Sidelines is more popular among the locals?

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This location might eventually just get merged into Jacksonville (Illinois), but I thought the idea of the town burgoo was so cool I had to get it down on this page. --(WT-en) Evan 18:33, 17 April 2006 (EDT)

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I did a general clean-up of the sleep-section. Far too many unhelpful adjectives. I suspect we are dealing with some owners here. Please restrict yourselves. (WT-en) Mariusm98 23:40, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

Imports from wikitravel
Just as a notice: the last edits I made on this page partially come from my own work on en.wikitravel.org. Valkyr (talk) 01:33, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Regarding Reversion of Downtown Walking Tour
(Having taken the tour myself) I think the detailed nature of the tour falls in the gaps between the policy referenced in the reversion. To cover the tour content in a WV article would be neigh on impossible as elements of the content do reference locations and interactive explanations. Locations use used to suppliment explanations. Having done the tour I have a far better appreciation as to how and why Arequipa “is” but would have not idea where to start with any written article and I am 100% certain nobody could undertake such a tour “on their own”.

The “must have a phone number” illustrates how inappropriate the policy is to such tours given no booking is necessary why would anybody phone?

The tour represents something of great value to those travelling and if the WV policy excludes it then the WV policy is very wrong and too narrow or inflexible to provide best usefullness to travellers (which is what the site should be all about, helping travellers rather than enforcing inappropriate policies).

I could explain further about how daft the policy is in relation to this tour but I can’t be bothered. WV needs to consider if it is about providing useful information to travellers or about implementing inappropriate policies. I tried to help by providing very useful info but I’m more interested in exploring and will happily forget about WV and not add to info for benefit of others.PsamatheM (talk) 22:37, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

 * It seems to me, if you'd like to be helpful to readers, the best way would be to post to Wikivoyage talk:Listings with your good argument for making a change in Wikivoyage policy. Taking your ball and going home doesn't really help anyone, though you could also try to get a consensus for an exception on this page only, and the best way to steer interest to such a proposal would be to post to the Travellers' pub and, if you feel inclined, also to Requests for comment. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:17, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

 * I’m in the middle of travels and don’t have time to start arguing “policies” for an example where common sense shows how daft and inflexible adhering blindly to “policy” is. I’ve tried to discuss “policy” in the past where I have specific expertise and to gain consensus becomes too much work. When a project becomes totally dictated by “policy” over common sense and on the ground knowledge then I’d question the usefulness of the project. WV needs to decide if it wants to have information useful to those travelling or a bureaucratic exercise. One listing is not a big deal; the attitude of putting bureaucrocracy over common sense is. I’m going to focus on my travels and not spend time arguing with people who seem more interested in maintaining policies than providing information travellers might find useful.PsamatheM (talk) 02:54, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

 * ps. Not “taking my ball and going home” but rather getting on with my travels (i.e. myself) rather than wasting time where common sense and experience are treated as irrelevant. And if WV has so many contributions and contributors that people think it worth arguing for consensus over a single listing then people need to look and see the vast shortcomings in the content and should be celebrating a useful contribution not fighting it and driving off contributors. PsamatheM (talk) 03:14, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

 * Au contraire, I'm interested in revisiting the policy. I've never really liked bans on free walking tours. I just maintain policies while they exist. Anyway, enjoy your travels! Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:13, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

 * I also think this policy should be revisited, but I support having policies, rather than just letting anyone put in anything they want in anywhere. That sort of approach would lead to edit wars, endless touting, and an unholy mess of information. Policies help make Wikivoyage more usable for travellers. But maybe this one needs some flexibility. Ground Zero (talk) 10:59, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

 * Thread started here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:19, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

On the narrow issue of this particular walking tour, I think it's fine to make an exception to policy in this case. In fact, WV:Tour specifically allows for making exceptions when warranted. And it doesn't say that all walking tours are forbidden—just that most are disallowed. I support re-adding the listing regardless of whether policy is amended or not. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:36, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

 * I agree, and if this proves to be uncontroversial, we can simply restore the edit. Let's give it at least 24 hours for more people to have a chance to comment, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:09, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I support allowing this exception to the existing policy. Ground Zero (talk) 03:49, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * As no-one has objected, I reinstated the tour listing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:22, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Arezzo

Accommodations listings
Would someone more familiar than I with Arezzo please delete all listings that are not in Arezzo? I will delete some that provide insufficient information, to get the process started. I have been to Arezzo but don't know the city well enough to recognize most addresses. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 02:19, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

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Talk:Argentina

Argentina looks really good. Nice job on the regions! --(WT-en) Evan 21:09, 25 Dec 2003 (PST)

'By Bus' section heavily biased
In the 'By Bus' section it is mentioned that the Argentinian buses are "comparatively better than the ones in the United States" yet this could not be further from the truth. Argentinian buses are prone to having broken AC, no fans, not even toilets, which would place the buses significantly lower than the several hubs you can find in the US.

181.47.32.193 20:06, 20 January 2022 (UTC) Neo

 * Please plunge forward and update. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:12, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Toilets? I've rarely seen toilets on buses (including what would be called "a coach" in the UK) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * They're in the back of long-distance buses in the U.S. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:36, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Boundary between Andean Northwest and Chaco
This isn't well defined, both on the map and in our region structure. Ideally, this should be resolved. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 11:05, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Argkuda

This is where all the wars were fought.

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Wikivoyage talk:Joke articles/Arial

It was a fun joke but even jokes need good spelling. :)

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Talk:Arita

The content recently added to this page is identical to Wikipedia -- however, I presume that User:(WT-en) MarkDC here is the same as User:Mark cochrane on Wikipedia. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:14, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

title: Talk:Arita