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Talk:Teaching English

Getting started
Well, there have been some links pointing to this page that doesn't exist yet. It has even been hinted that I should approach this subject. Where to begin? Rather than just throwing a few thoughts to the wind, I thought I'd get started with a list of questions:
 * What sections do we need?
 * How can this be a "travel" page and not turn into something else? Wikivoyage isn't meant to be a career planning site.
 * Who else should I approach for help on this?

So, I started talking to myself on my Talk page with some some preliminary ideas which Hypatia suggested I bring right over here to the talk page. Thanks, Hypatia! (WT-en) Ted 20:37, 3 Dec 2004 (EST)

Sections

 * Understand
 * Intro/history
 * Alphabet soup- Jargon and acronyms

 * Get Ready
 * Plunge ahead- how to get started before you travel
 * Reading list?- websites and books
 * Training- describe training options and/or actually list programs

 * Finding a job
 * Companies
 * Volunteering

 * Professional Organizations
 * Working Conditions

Keeping it Travel
Is listing companies just asking for spam? Focus on short-term and ignore career track? Pros and cons...

Teaching while traveling will probably be short-term, but some people turn to EFL teaching as a career which encourages/allows travel. Cover both ends?

Who can help?
Note to self: I'll have to ask a friend, Charles Q, to get involved with wikivoyage and help with the language school side of things.

Approach JET / JETAA Need people in the profession in Eastern Europe, SE Asia, and South America. Local conditions vary widely (I think).

Anybody else interested in helping to work this up into something reasonable?

Maj, you may want to see if you can contact this guy (WT-en) Ted. He doesn't have an email contact on Wikivoyage, but if your able to get a hold of him it could be worth it. (WT-en) Sapphire 21:00, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

Resources

 * Berlitz employment page
 * According to an email correspondence (With a Berlitz employee in Cincinnati) I had while bumbling around in Euroland Berlitz doesn't require any certificate. Instead they will train you and employ you too.

 * Lonely Planet's The Gap Year Book

 * Wikipedia's article on different creds

vfd discussion
Copied from Project:Votes for deletion:

 * Delete. Doesn't seem to really fit in as an article, not even as a travel topic. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 12:51, 1 April 2006 (EST)
 * for Maj 130.111.98.239 12:52, 1 April 2006 (EST) keep if she wants to refresh it...
 * Delete. -- (WT-en) Jonboy 08:08, 3 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Undecided. How about filling this out as a travel topic and using it as a sup article for Gap year travel? Something like where a person can teach English, any degrees or certifications needed to teach English in a weird place like the Czech Republic, then the various teaching certificated like TEFL and TOEFL that way the article at the very least has some reason for existence. Or if we do delete this would this be an appropriate sub article for Gap year travel? It could be found here Gap year travel/Teaching English. (WT-en) Sapphire 03:44, 4 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete - Maj updated the content, so keep. Anyone with lots of time and creativity who feels like putting together guidelines for topics in Project:What is an article?, we could use it. -- (WT-en) Ryan 06:32, 12 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep, but instead of calling it "Teaching English" how about "Language immersion travel" or something of the like and also have information for people traveling to study and people traveling to teach various languages? If this seems to be a long shot change my vote to delete. (WT-en) Sapphire 00:31, 19 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Just to point it out, the content of this article is currently "How to teach English to kids is to get a book and read to them." I don't disagree that a sufficiently motivated person might create a good article on this subject, but since the title isn't clearly something that would become a valid article, and since the content is clearly invalid, why keep this?  I won't delete this (for now) to allow further comment, but other admins may feel differently and delete the article in accordance with the policy that articles without consensus to keep be deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan 18:52, 19 April 2006 (EDT)
 * I still say it's a super-valid article... it could include information on where the best places to visit, how long usual contracts are, etc. I just walked my sister through this process (she's in South Korea now!). I'll try to take it under my (very crowded) wing and make something of it. (WT-en) Majnoona 19:54, 19 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Sorry, I didn't mean to say it's not potentially a valid topic, but there are probably a million or so topics that are potentially valid, and we don't really have any criteria for what stays or goes. In this case the article was created by a known vandal and had no useful content, so it seemed contrary to the goal of having useful guides to keep it around.  Now that you've added more info to the article I'd be in favor of keeping it, but it's a bit of a slippery slope to not have guidelines for travel topics and to then say that any topic that may possibly be useful to travelers is going to be kept irrespective of what the article content is. -- (WT-en) Ryan 20:12, 19 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Tons of travellers use teaching English to pay their way overseas. This is a good travel topic. --(WT-en) Evan 20:09, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

Teaching other languages?
This article mentions the British Council. Various other govt's sponsor organisations that play a similar role for their nations' languages, and offer jobs for speakers of those languages. Are there others?
 * French: Alliance Francais
 * German: Goethe Institute
 * Spanish: Cervantes Institute
 * Chinese: Confucius Institute

I chose to put this here, not in the main English teaching page. Was I right or should it be where Wikivoyagers who read English but speak other languages can find it? (WT-en) Pashley 01:03, 26 April 2006 (EDT)

Since it now has links, it seemed worth copying to the main page. (WT-en) Pashley 23:50, 5 October 2006 (EDT)

The US Peace Corps'presence in China is limited to English Teaching only so it would be worth a mention I think. (WT-en) akajoey 7 March 2008

Country-specific sites?
Should links to country-specific English-teaching sites be here (as some are now)? Or should they be moved to the work section of country articles (my preference)? Or deleted altogether because there's a slippery slope here (there are at least a dozen sites for China alone) and we don't want to become a web directory? (WT-en) Pashley

 * Country-specific sites should be moved to the country articles' Work sections. I think the usefulness outweighs the slipperyslopeness, and there aren't that many of them compared to, say, hotel booking engines. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:10, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

Is the http://www.go2teachenglish.com link appropriate, and if so, should it be moved to Taiwan? ~ 203.144.143.4 01:41, 25 January 2008 (EST)

 * Being Taiwan-specific, it certainly does not belong here. I'd say move it and let folk editing the Taiwan article decide if it is appropriate there. (WT-en) Pashley 01:55, 25 January 2008 (EST)

 * Done . ~ 203.144.143.4 02:07, 25 January 2008 (EST)

Star nomination
I nominated this article for star status and it failed. Discussion: Project:Star_nominations/Slush_pile

I've been trying to address the main objection by adding a section titled "The work", but that is neither finished nor very good. Anyone else want to pitch in? (WT-en) Pashley 03:10, 11 September 2007 (EDT)
 * I think you've got some good points in there and you're headed in the right direction with that section. The notes about teacher talk time, beginner reluctance, and grammar curveballs are all important. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 22:41, 11 September 2007 (EDT)
 * I've gone about as far as I can, adding "The work" section and rewriting "Pay and conditions" fairly extensively. Someone else should take it from there, expand further, or if it looks complete, consider re-nominating it for Star. (WT-en) Pashley

bump Are we there yet? (WT-en) Pashley 06:30, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

New Section Professional Orgs
Hi All,

After a rather lengthy absence, I'm back on Wikivoyage and really happy to see that this ELT page has taken off. I added a bit here and there, especially the new professional organisations section. These groups are maybe the best ways to get a job or prepare to work in a country. There is danger of the list getting out of hand, but I think it has value: one as a spark to lead people to places they might not have considered working; and two, there isn't a particularly good list elsewhere to link out to. I inadvertently logged out, so the edit looks anonymous.

One question: If people agree this list is worthwhile, then JALT.org and CamTESOL.org belong there too. But, since I'm an officer for both of those organizations, perhaps I shouldn't be posting that info myself? Thanks. (WT-en) Ted 22:57, 29 February 2008 (EST)

 * Nice work, good info. I rearranged slightly, moving existing TESOL and IATEFL info into that section and shortening the title. I'd say by all means add JALT and CamTESOL. (WT-en) Pashley 07:17, 1 March 2008 (EST)

 * Hmmm. We've said country-specific job sites should go in the Work sections of country articles, not here. Should that apply to country-specific professional organisations? I'm mildly inclined to think not, but it seems worth asking. (WT-en) Pashley 10:09, 2 March 2008 (EST)

 * I can see the logic of country-specific job sites in country articles. On the other hand, I think the professional organisations can stay here for two reasons: they are less likely to proliferate the way job sites do (often one or two per country), and these orgs usually host conferences and publish journals which are of interest to people regardless of what country they are in or may be planning to visit. Also, some organisations are transnational. (WT-en) Ted 21:34, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Re section Resources for English teachers
This section has the potential to grow out of control if every TEFL site decides to add itself there. One solution is just to remove that section, but there should be some less draconian steps. Seems some guidelines are in order: non-profit sites, sites from academic sources? No adding yourself to the list (Links added from accounts and some explanation on the talk page?) Just thinking out loud at this point. Anyone have a view on this? (WT-en) Ted 21:11, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

I agree, it's a problem. Not sure of the solution. Perhaps move the Wikis to their own section, delete the rest? Dave's and a few other job-hunting sites already have links in the "Looking for work" section. (WT-en) Pashley 21:44, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

 * Two obvious restrictions. No country or region-specific sites; those go in country articles. No schools or recruiters, only job ad sites. I'm not sure that's enough, but a start. (WT-en) Pashley 09:04, 7 December 2008 (EST)

 * I took a crack at fixing this, changing the title and adding a comment warning editors off adding various things. Reactions? (WT-en) Pashley 06:00, 20 December 2008 (EST)

Russian?
The section Teaching other languages lists organisations that teach most of the other major world languages, but not one for Russian. A web search in English gave confusing results. Can someone, perhaps a Russian speaker, do better? (WT-en) Pashley 20:55, 18 March 2011 (EDT)

 * I don't know of any. Aside from the sort of organizations that teach lots of languages (e.g., Berlitz). --Peter Talk 23:02, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

 * There is a Russian governmental program to foster the spread of Russian in the world: Russiy Mir. This is probably the link you need though I’m not sure what exactly they do.

 * Thanks. I have added that one to the article. Pashley (talk) 20:02, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Beside that, in (almost) every capital where Russia has an embassy there is a primary/secondary Russian school (called заграншкола in Russian) run by the ministry of Foreign Affairs. They might be looking for Russian-speaking schoolteachers. Here is an incomplete list of these schools. -- GMM (talk) 17:51, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks for that too, but I do not think it belongs in this article. Perhaps on Russian WV in an article parallel to this one or to Working abroad. Pashley (talk) 20:02, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Recruiters
I added a section on recruiters, warning people off them. Wording is deliberately milder than my personal opinion, but still rather definite. Any comment from others? Pashley, 13 January 2013

 * This definitely needs a second opinion. Pashley (talk) 12:49, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
 * My advice should be taken with a grain of salt, as I have no experience or understanding about the topic at all, but I think it could be clearer why one should not use a recruiter. It sounds like they're similar to the stereotype around used car salesmen, but saying outright why travellers should avoid them would make it more useful. Is it because they send travellers to disorganised/bad schools? Expensive with no additional gain? Illegal? A scam? All of the above? etc. Otherwise, I see no overall bias that is not warranted :) James A ▪ talk 13:09, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Current text includes: "Some recruiters want an up-front payment from teachers, a 'membership fee', 'placement fee' or whatever. In nearly all cases, these should be rejected out-of-hand. Honest recruiters make their money by getting commissions from schools; any who ask for payment from teachers are quite likely scammers." I wrote that and it matches my experience, but I've only worked in Asia. Browsing Dave's for jobs in Latin America, I am finding that many recruiters want such a fee. Does the advice above hold there, or does our text need change? Pashley (talk) 18:10, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Job hunt listings
The list of job-hunt sites at Teaching_English is getting long and providing a web directory is explicitly not a goal of the project. How do we handle this slippery slope?

Personally, I'd delete any recruiter (contact details for the site or agency rather than the employer are given) on that list, add a comment asking editors not to add such sites, and say "good riddance". What do others think? Pashley (talk) 14:02, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I have removed the recruiter links and inserted a comment to discourage people adding more. Pashley (talk) 20:27, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

 * Just asking the question, the section around recruiters appears very negative. Is this advice correct for all countries in the world? Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

 * I think so, but see the section above. Pashley (talk) 00:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

 * OK.. I never worked as a teacher myself, so I assume that is correct. I can't really think of the IT industry working under this basis (although there are some dodgy recruiters there as well).Andrewssi2 (talk) 03:38, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

public schools, colleges, universities?
This article pretty much assumes that all ESL is taught in small, private vocational schools which just churn out ESL lessons and nothing else. What about large mainstream community colleges, or institutions where ESL is just one of multiple subjects being taught? Are the positions too difficult to get (in which we should say so, and explain why) or was their omission merely an oversight? K7L (talk) 15:03, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

 * They may not have the right amount of emphasis, but they certainly are not omitted.
 * The destinations section has "In any of the areas mentioned above, there are both ESL programs in public schools and universities and quite a few private schools."
 * Pay & conditions has "University or public school jobs often have quite long holidays."
 * Teaching_English lists several programs that recruit mainly for high schools; I just clarified that.
 * One of the pictures is at Chiang Mai University & the caption says so.
 * Oddities like the oil rig jobs and "accent coaches" in Indian call centers are also mentioned.
 * I think adding a section on the various types of schools involved and advantages/disadvantages of each for teachers might be a good idea, but I do not think it is urgent. Pashley (talk) 17:09, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

New course
US Dep't of State & U of Oregon are involved in this online course. Probably worth adding. Pashley (talk) 16:01, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Misleading because enormously broad
There are some significant problems with this article such that while yes, it is long, and yes there seems to be information here. 1) This is far afield from travel and does not focus on the travel aspect of Teaching English (while traveling) such as slow travel, travel on weekends then moving to another part of the country/another country, etc. 2) Statements like the characterization of teaching English in Hong Kong is mere speculation. Are there jobs? What are the qualifications? The answer is few and high so why even include this here in a travel encyclopedia?

Because of this, my initial reaction is to restructure around a more focused Travel concept (the top of the page it says that this article is a travel topic). First, what does teaching English have to do with travel (several things, actually). Secondly, eject completely sections such as the work' which can be found much better in other places, such as wikipedia articles. Third, qualify heavily or simply remove all generalities. Some of these things (such as expected hours of teaching) simply don't hit the majority of jobs or teaching while traveling opportunities.

And so, some initial thoughts at restructuring:

- What does teaching English have to do with traveling? Or teaching any language? - Why teach a foreign language in a foreign country? Advantages, disadvantages (bridging the language gap) - In non-native English speaking countries, this is a way to either make money, or to gain closer contact with local people (volunteering). - Short term vs. long term (note that some countries have short term, others' don't. More wealthy countries generally have English embedded in primary, secondary and tertiary education; poorer countries could be more open to a few weeks of volunteer teaching) - Popular places for short term and long term travel teaching, e.g., where can it easily be done and some amount of income saved while doing it?

more... --Jeffmcneill (talk) 11:28, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

 * I do think the article could be improved by moving in the general direction you suggest, but lets not overdo it. We should definitely cover the longer-term (typically one-year contract) jobs for qualified teachers or new uni grads, not just the short-term stuff for tourists, though the latter could use improvement.
 * The section on "the work", like most of the article, is only an overview. Of course there are more thorough treatments elsewhere, not just WP but lots of ESL sites & a whole section in any decent university library, but I think the overview is worth having here.
 * I have removed Hong Kong from the list of major Asian destinations; the other mentions of Hong Kong are accurate. The stuff about hours is correct for most full-time jobs in the field. Pashley (talk) 12:31, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

 * Perhaps add a section on types of job? Language mill vs. public institution (school or uni) vs. short-term jobs for tourists vs. oil rigs etc. All quite different. Pashley (talk) 13:09, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Host government programs
Teaching_English lists several. Are there others? Taiwan? Vietnam? Eastern Europe? Latin America? Pashley (talk) 03:40, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Best countries?
On another travel site 5 countries to teach ESL in that give you the best bang-for-your-buck. Pashley (talk) 00:06, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Internships?
We currently have this text:
 * Fewer web sites offer internship options though they are becoming more popular. For example, The TEFL Academy offers paid internships in countries including China, Thailand and South Korea, while Premier TEFL and TEFL Org UK package their internship offers with their TEFL training courses. Different internships will require different levels of training so read the details carefully.

I'm inclined to delete it because to me an "internship" just means a badly paid job. I'd advise anyone considering one to look instead at Teaching_English or Teaching_English; those programs are definitely legitimate, do provide training, & look better on a resume.

Other opinions? Pashley (talk) 15:53, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

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Uh, Tea Kettle Junction, as far as I know, is just a sign with a bunch of tea kettles hanging off it. Don't think it quite counts as it's own article. http://home.infostations.net/bodiethedog/bodiethedog/tea.htm Adding to Project:Votes for deletion. (WT-en) Majnoona 19:41, 15 Apr 2004 (EDT)

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Talk:Te Anau

"Cruise Te Anau"
I'm going to roll this back under the Project:Don't tout policy, unless someone can either verify that there is no other means of cruising here than the rather ostentatiously advertised outfit now in the article, or provide an alternative. Would someone have a look, please? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 22:25, 15 November 2006 (EST)
 * I think the language could just be toned down. I couldn't find any clear alternatives via google, but lots of mention of cruising being a popular thing to do there. hth. (WT-en) Maj 22:58, 15 November 2006 (EST)

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Glad to see others love Tecolutla. Great town. Today everyone is hunkered down as Hurricane Dean comes roaring in. Keep the people in your thoughts.

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Talk:Tega Cay

Comments
Why not just Tega Cay? Are there other cities by this name? — (WT-en) Ravikiran 14:39, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

 * According to the Getty Thesaurus of Geographical Names, no. So I've moved the page. --(WT-en) Evan 14:50, 14 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Sorry I didn't bother to check. I was trying to fix the "Tega cay, sc" a little too quickly. Normally, I would've double checked, but I have to leave and was just trying to get a few last edits in before my friend comes over. - (WT-en) Sapphire 14:53, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Tegucigalpa

Travelogue for data mining
Tegucigalpa (locals shorten it to "Teguc") is a great city! (My wife and I lived there from march of 2002 until June of 2004). The city is almost the complete opposite of Honduras' other main city, San Pedro Sula. San Pedro is laid out in a logical gridwork of predominantly one-way streets with a loop around it. Tegucigalpa is the best example I have seen in Central America of urban sprawl gone amok. San Pedro is located in a flat valley. Teguc is in very hilly terrain... much like Cincinnati, Ohio (USA) only with twenty times the taxis, a healthy supply of public buses, and a complete disregard for any form of traffic rules.

As of summer 2004, taxis cost no more than 40 limps ($2.20) point to point. buses were 2.5 limps ($0.15) but run set routes that most visitors won't know. taxi drivers are a bit wild, so buckle up... and ALWAYS negotiate the price BEFORE you get in the taxi. by negotiate, i mean state a price... don't ask if the price you offer is okay. expect the response to always be 5 limps higher than your offer (unless you really look like a tourist, then expect the fare to be doubled).

The football (soccer) stadium is a great central point for learning your bearings map-wise of the city. several of the larger roads meet in a round-about that uses the stadium as its hub.

The Mall-Multiplaza is a two-story, top-of-the-line mall, just like you would find in any of the biggest cities in America. overpriced and somewhat oppulent, but a nice place to feel like you are back in civilization if you have just come back from anywhere else in Honduras. The mall also has a multi-screen movie theater (Cinemark, you can find current movies on the web) on the third floor. Movies in Honduras are almost always shown in English with Spanish subtitles.

Teguc has a healthy variety of American food restaurants: McDonald's, burger king, Wendy's, subway, pizza hut, little Caesar's, papa john's, church's chicken, bo jangles, (even a cinnabon in the mall), tgi fridays, ruby tuesdays, and tony romas. all are westernized in regards to food preparation and travelers can eat at them without fear of getting sick.

If you are in the mood for some more traditional Honduran food (actually an import from el Salvador ironically) i recommend "la pupusaria cabana." just down the street (san juan pablo II) from the mall towards the stadium. pupusas are like mozarella-filled tortillas that are lightly fried and then topped with pickled cabbage and spicy pickled onions, carrots, and other vegetables. i know it doesn't sound too enticing, but it really works. give it a shot. the restaurant is open-air (as most Honduran restaurants are) and a great very informal place to hang out and meet some local people. Friday and Saturday nights after nine may get a tiny bit dangerous as the alcohol content in the patrons goes up. in Honduras, empty beer bottles are left on the tables until the bill is paid, so you can get a very quick visual indication of where cooler heads will prevail and where tempers may rise just buy looking. pupusas normally run about $0.50 apiece throughout the country and two to three will fill up most people.

well, i actually logged on to this site to try and find some info about Gatlinburg, so i am going to cut this short.

the moon handbook on Honduras is by far the best traveler's guide to the country. the other's truly aren't worth the time reading as far as i am concerned.

the nicest restaurant in town ($20 per person (total)or so) is "el cumbre" on top of the "mountain" of "el hatillio." the food is awesome and the spectacular view of the city would make it a $60 per plate restaurant in Indiana (USA). get there about five or five thirty to enjoy the daytime, sunset and evening views of teguc all in one sitting. bring a camera.

tipping in Honduras is 10%. tipping in not generally expected at smaller restaurants but always appreciated.

if you are more adventurous (not recommended for women traveling without a male companion) have a taxi driver take you to the san isidrio market down by the river. you can walk around the 16-square blocks of true Honduran markets and see where the Hondurans who can't afford to shop at the mall go to buy their things. wallets in front pockets. eyes open. smile. the market gets "earthier" the nearer the river you get. if a local warns you that you are heading into an unsafe area of the the market, thank them and backtrack. my wife was mugged, and if she hadn't been with a thankfully vocal northamerican it might have been worse. in general, no one in Honduras will intervene during a crime. they do not want to get involved and reap the anger of the perpetrator. they will look the other way and walk right on by. cars are commonly broken into in broad daylight and the thieves don't even bother wearing masks. if you are driving, it is always worth it to pay to park in a guarded lot.

if you have time, a small tourist town is 25 miles away from teguc. it is called "valle de angeles" (valley of the angels) and is a great place to do all of your tourist shopping (a little cheaper than airport prices) and the home of the best restaurant in all of Honduras - "la casa de mi abuela" (my grandmother's house). generally slow service (nothing new in Honduras) but so very, very worth it. definitely get an order of the anafres (tortilla chips in bean and and cheese sauce).

gotta go! hope to write some more later.

Valle de Angeles
In "Go next", a restaurant and a guesthouse are mentioned. That's too much to mention in "Go next". Would someone like to start an article about this town and create listings for those there, then delete their incomplete listings here? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:22, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

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تهران پايتخت ايران است �� پر جمعيت ترين شهر این کشور است

Is this a character issue? All I see is little squares...

 * Yeah, it's in Arabic script. It's gotta be either Farsi or Arabic -- my guess would be Farsi.

 * I replaced the Arabic text with a stub and template. If anyone reads the original language and can data-mine for some useful tips, it'd be appreciated. --(WT-en) Evan 11:53, 25 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * I moved the deteted text to the top of this page. I see it as arabic script but we need somone who can translate it. -- (WT-en) Huttite 05:41, 27 Apr 2004 (EDT)

- It is Persian (Farsi). Here's the translation I got through a friend from his coorespondant in Iran:

Hi Mark, Here's the reply I got back from Yasmine: > Hi Steve, > > It says 'Tehran is the capital of Iran and the highest populated city > is Isfahan.' Two errors in one sentence, because Tehran has got the more > population of any other city by far, and Isfahan has been misspelled > as 'Isfan'. > > Yas

Many thanks to Steve and Yasmine

Who deleted Jaam-e-Jam food court and money changer text?
I would like to know who edited out my contribution about the Jaam-e-Jam food court and the money changer offering the best rate on Ferdosi Street. I am in Tehran at the moment and would like to know why this good and correct info was deleted. What is the point of deleting correct and current info?

 * It appears that User:(WT-en) Evan removed some of your edits (see ), although aside from the use of first-person I'm not sure why that was done. Take a look at Project:First person pronouns and feel free to re-add any of the content that you'd like.  Also note that you can sign your posts using four tildes ( ~ ), making communication easier. -- (WT-en) Ryan 15:19, 16 November 2006 (EST)

Traffic
Seriously, who wrote "The traffic in Tehran may exactly be considered the safest.Considering the nature of the traffic, Tehranis can be said to be good drivers." That is honestly complete BS, i've been there and it's crazy, not safe at all!

Learn section
I think the Learn section in this article is exactly what it should not be. I'm tempted to remove everything except Loghatnameh Dehkhoda Institute & International Center for Persian Studies maybe, but they are not for tourists either. Thoughts? Jjtkk (talk) 07:59, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm an Iranian, as a native and citizen who lives here...
I'm an Iranian and I live in Kermanshah and I've been to Tehran 2 or 3 times. I've never seen basij forces asking women to correct their hijabs, let alone arresting them! Is there reliable evidence they do so and if yes, how do you know they have been basijis? I'm not supporting anyone or any group, but this is my question regarding validity of this part. Maadikhah (talk) 02:58, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Tel Aviv

The recommended Billiard place is located in Kikar Atarim. As a resident of Tel-Aviv, I would rather avoid directing tourists to that place. Kikar Atarim is the single most disppointing and embarrassing tourist attraction in the city. The first sight that welcomes you as you climb past the stairs is the rotting, crumbling remains of what once was Tel-Aviv's top club. Don't let the scaffolding fool you- it's only there for placing new advertising banners on the bare skeleton. The next prominent thing you see is the mall. People don't usually go in there, not even for the toilets, because the place is creepy and empty, the derelict and foul shadow of its former self. If you choose to go down to the beach, you can either go down the internal stairs, which lead into another desperate-looking underground cluster of shops, with almost all them closed, and a frequently used (and noisy) road. The road leads outside to the beach. The other option is going down the external stairs, which provide a nice view of the rusting remains of an old restaurant that closed down. I don't think it's appropriate to badmouth a place in the article itself, so let's do the next best thing and drop it out as a recommended site.

Staying Safe
Every year we hear reports about tourists getting dehydrated and being evacuated to hospitals. Most of them are not used to Israeli climate and don't know just how much water they have to drink to keep healthy.

Take a water bottle with you wherever you go, and remember: it's better having to go to the toilet every 5 seconds than spending your vacation at a hospital.

Getting there, by car
I have edited the "By Car" section for some grammar and style. However, I have a problem with this sentence: "Survival chances on Israeli roads are certainly high, but require time for acclimation." It gives the impression that driving in Tel Aviv is a matter of survival, i.e. of life and death. I didn't change it, but I think someone else should. (WT-en) EngineeringCat 20:06, 7 November 2006 (EST)

Sections
The sections seem standard and well-organized. Where would be a good place to put information about power and plug adapters? -- (WT-en) Fff1959 12:49, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Florentin - article structure
I've been editing http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv/Florentin, which I then realized is not linked to from any of the other Tel Aviv pages, as far as I can see. Should it be incorporated into the disappointing http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv/South, or should it be kept as its own page and linked to from http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv and / or http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv/South? (WT-en) Topdog 08:31, 21 September 2009 (EDT)
 * I think we should merge it into Tel Aviv South, as it's not really large enough to deserve it's own page yet and the Tel Aviv South page is not very large. (WT-en) Maximilianklein 11:59, 8 August 2011 (EDT)

Safety
It's ridiculous that terror bombing is talked about so much in the safety section. It's so incredibly rare, and even if it does happen there's very little chance that a tourist will be the one to notice the alert signs before the locals. Talking about it does more harm than good, distracting tourists from the real dangers. I suggest to rewrite the section, dismissing the terror issue in one sentence and talking about the real dangers, like crime and dehydration. -Anonymous Israeli

 * Plunge forward! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:03, 12 November 2009 (EST)

Districts
There are currently more articles for Tel Aviv than the current districts show. In addition to those listed under the districts, we have the following articles:
 * Tel Aviv/Florentin
 * Tel Aviv/Kerem Ha'Temanim
 * Tel Aviv/Neveh Shaanan

Are these legitimate district articles? Are these areas encompassed under any of the listed districts? Perhaps they should be merged? (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 02:35, 10 December 2009 (EST)
 * They should be merged into the listed districts. (WT-en) –sumone10154 00:17, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

Updated Dan Bus System
There were recently major changes made to Dan Bus route and price structure. As my Hebrew is not great I do not fully understand the details of it, but it would be important to add into this as I have heard that prices increase drastically if you go between the new different zones

Hotel listings
Instead of districting all the hotel listings, people are adding new listings in the article for the entire city. Is it time to delete all of the listings? If not, would someone who knows the city well please district all of them and then delete them? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:02, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article?

In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 04:04, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Right now Tel Aviv and Tel Aviv/Central Tel Aviv have very similar banners - night time skyline. What do you think of replacing this page's banner with the following, to increase the diversity? ויקיג'אנקי. --Ar2332 (talk) 21:17, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

 * If you like. I think the current banner is probably a better composition, though. I don't know Tel Aviv nearly well enough to know if the current banner would represent Central Tel Aviv well. If it would, it's a significantly clearer photo than the current pagebanner for that article and could be swapped out with it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:39, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I know Tel Aviv quite well (I used to live there), and in my opinion the current banner is preferred for the main article about Tel Aviv. I will find a better banner though for Tel Aviv/Central Tel Aviv which represents that area quite well. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 03:52, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

 * No strong view on which is aesthetically better, although I think that I would get a better 'feel' of the city from the proposed one. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 03:55, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

 * File:Gush_Dan_Banner.jpg, which I created initially for a Gush Dan article, isn't good mainly because 40% of the buildings you see in it are actually of Ramat Gan and not Tel Aviv. Beside that, it doesn't really show any famous landmarks or major attractions of the city. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:24, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Hotel listings
I've gotten impatient with all the touting in these listings, all of which should be moved to district articles, so I'm planting them here for now. Whoever would like to detout and move them would be doing a good service. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:55, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I just cleaned up the listings (somewhat) and added them to the district articles. Deleted the listing from here to keep things clean. Ar2332 (talk) 17:18, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Move to district
This article is blatantly in violation of Wikivoyage policies that districted cities should not have any templated listings. The "Learn" section shouldn't have any listings at all, per the policy of not listing in the "Learn" section any educational institution that doesn't give ~2-weeks-or-less (-fewer?) courses for visitors. But there are various other sections with listings, including "Sleep", where my pruning of listings hasn't lasted. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:09, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to put some work into this. Can you suggest a foreign city to use as a template? (The first one I thought of was Prague) Ar2332 (talk) 20:45, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Among Category:Star cities, there are some districted ones (Chicago, Copenhagen, San Francisco, Washington, D.C.). See how they handle this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:50, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Misc ideas (from a local)
Get around: A link to the Moovit app (live bus and sherut route info) might be useful. It's by far the easiest way to manage bus travel as a tourist and is in English.

Perhaps should mention that most buses and trains now have USB chargers, so you can charge your phone if you have your cord on you?

Moniot sherut: I think sherut should be under it's own "By minibus" category rather than under taxi. They might technically be called taxis, but they follow bus specific routes (comprable to bus routes sharing their number but not identical), they cost the same as the buses, and they will soon be payable by the same Rav-Kav transport cards as buses and trains. (Note: Article says they are cheaper than buses, but that is no longer the case.)

Plus, since the sherut system is essentially now the bus system's extension into shabbat and nighttime hours, I think the process of using a sherut deserves a paragraph of it's own. Things I think should be added include: romanization of phrases to ask the driver to stop (they do NOT stop at bus stops unless requested), the variation in fares for specific routes and times, and the fact that they don't allow standing passengers (so groups seeking rides during busy hours in the middle of routes might find the driver rejecting them while allowing a single passenger on instead).

Taxis: I think the issue of taxi drivers scamming tourists should get a mention. Whenever I have friends visit from abroad I tell them to use the GetTaxi app since taxis can be such a PITA. It gives the fixed price or meter price directly to you, allows for credit card payment (none of the "I have no change" nonsense), and you can put in your specific destination and see that the driver isn't taking a roundabout route to run the meter up.

And maybe mention that by law all Uber cars are just taxis that register with the Uber system and use the same fee system as taxis regularly do?

Eat: "Tafrit b'anglit" = English menu. Vegetarian and vegan food everywhere. (However pescatarian and vegetarian aren't well differentiated in Hebrew so don't be shocked if you meet a "vegetarian" who eats fish.)

Clubbing: Perhaps the wristband system should be mentioned?

Gay scene: Saying there are many gay clubs is no longer true; most of them have closed as the younger generation of gay Israelis just go clubbing with their straight friends. Many clubs do have gay nights, though.

I think it's important to mention that it's safe in Tel Aviv for gay couples to express physical affection to the same extent as straight ones, and can do so on all beaches (the "gay beach" is good for pick-ups, but safety isn't limited to there). I also think LGBTQ+ travelers might appreciate an idea of where the gay community is physically centered (Part of Nahalat Binyamin? Ben Yehuda/Frishman?) especially since the gay beach is not anywhere near there.

Safety section: Soldiers are definitely NOT required to keep their weapons on them at all times. Only specific units or soldiers in basic training do so now (weapons all the time was more common a generation back). I think the prevalence of uniformed soldiers is far more noticable than people with gun. Perhaps more useful to mention that most Israelis aged 18-20 are doing mandatory service, so uniformed teens are everywhere, especially all over transport systems on Friday afternoon/Sunday morning when many are going between home and their bases. (Often with huuuuuge bags of laundry for their parents to wash.) You also see tons of soldiers in Sarona during lunch because it's next to the base there (and the food on base is terrible).

Cultural differences: Watch out for bikes/scooters on main sidewalks. Smoking in restaurants is limited to specific parts of their outdoor seating. Dogs wearing muzzles on public transit are not agressive monsters--there's a law requiring muzzles on buses and trains (that is sporadically enforced). It's socially acceptable to swat at street cats (still not nice!) but dogs are beloved. Taking kids to cafes and restaurants is completly normal, and the malls usually have kid play and breast-feeding areas. Israelis can be pretty agressive about cutting in lines; don't feel guilty about body-blocking little old ladies, cause they have no problem taking advantage of tourists to cut half a line. Shabbat is less dramatic in than the rest of Israel, but things like pharmacies and super markets close on Friday afternoon until Sunday morning, which can be important to keep in mind. Finding restaurants and bodegos ("makolet"s) open during Shabbat is very much neighborhood dependant.
 * Get around, Moniot Sherut, Safety, Cultural differences - I added most of your suggestions to this page.
 * Taxis, Eat - I added your suggestions to Israel.
 * Gay scene - I added some of this, you are welcome to go ahead and remove mentions of clubs that have closed.
 * Clubbing - feel free to add that, I'm not enough of a partier to know about it :)
 * In general, you seem to be thoughtful and literate enough that I would recommend you go ahead and edit what you think is appropriate :) The rest of us can edit after the fact as needed. Ar2332 (talk) 23:37, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Weblink on spam list
I just tried archiving the stuff on this talk page that is six years and older and was told that this action is not possible as there is a link that is on the spam blacklist. (Apparently it has been added since being first posted here). Should we remove that link? Or should we disable the filter for the one edit of archiving the stuff as is? Whom should I tagg for this question? Hobbitschuster (talk) 01:17, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

 * Which link is it? (Post whatever you can that makes it recognizable and doesn't trigger the filter.) Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:01, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Date-stamping / updating
Very few of the listings are date-stamped, tho from Talk it looks like most are from sometime around Lag BaOmer 5776 (is that the issue?) It's a huge destination which maybe needs, what, say a three-year renewal cycle? Update a third each year so it stays generally fresh and updating doesn't become too daunting a task? Anyhow I've made a start. Grahamsands (talk) 19:05, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

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New banner for eurovision 2019
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 * Find an image you prefer, and post it here, and then the community can vote on the new banner. Thanks for asking! --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 23:29, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Day trip to Jerusalem
I wonder if information and suggestions for a day trip to Jerusalem could be added. Not concerning what to do in Jerusalem, but how to organize such a trip from Tel Aviv, which public transportation to use, time required, others useful hints, etc. Ppso (talk) 11:43, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Public transit in Israel shall cover it for you --Arseny1992 (talk) 12:09, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Tel Aviv/Hatikva

VFD Discussion

 * Redirect to Tel Aviv or the appropriate district. This was tagged VFD in 2008 but apparently never nominated.  It doesn't fit within the Tel Aviv district structure which (I assume) was why it was nominated. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:50, 13 June 2010 (EDT)

Result: Redirected to Tel Aviv. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:56, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Tel Aviv/Jaffa

If you're going to eat somewhere in Jaffa / Yafo, it would be a real shame if you missed Itzik Hagadol.

Alternative banner for this article?
Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 05:45, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Both are good from my side. The old one show some nitty-gritty buildings which is actually rather interesting for me, and the new one shows a nice clean fort. Since I assume you are familiar with the city then I would leave it to your judgement, unless you get other feedback. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:35, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

 * What would make my decision easier is if I saw the English-language caption on both of them, though I'm hardly familiar with Jaffa, either (other than a brief visit in 1977). Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:39, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Please look carefully at the image quality of the current banner. The new banner is much more superior in Image quality alone, and in addition, the new banner is also of the more iconic view of the Jaffa port (while even Israelis won't immediately recognize the location shown in the current banner). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 06:10, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

 * The current picture is fuzzier. But the placement of the image on the page is such that the English name, on the left side of the banner, doesn't override the buildings currently, whereas the proposed replacement is excellent for the Hebrew version, in which the name on the right side doesn't override the buildings. That's why I'd like to see what it would look like with an English caption. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:27, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

 * You mean that "Jaffa" text floating over the banner doesn't look aesthetic enough in your opinion? I think it looks good enough to be used:

 * I am still not sure what you meant by "I'd like to see what it would look like with an English caption". Does the visual example I provided you above meet this request of yours? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 07:12, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Yes, and it looks fine, which would cause me to favor the new banner, especially based on your remarks about the images. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:13, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Tel Aviv/Neveh Shaanan

Redirect where?
This should be redirected, not left empty. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:06, 18 July 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Telecommunication

Um, I'm not sure what this is supposed to be or could be... VFD or speedy? (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:01, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

 * At best it would be redundant with Telephone service for travel; speedy or redirect. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 22:14, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Telendos

A beautiful little Island only 800 meters from Kalymnos. It can be reached by small boats from Kalymnos that run every half hour for a small charge. Its waterfront is filled with traditional Greek Tavernas serving traditional home cooked food. There is a beautiful church and many ruins (no charge is made). The beaches on the main side are calm and quiet with a naturists beach at the end ; but on the other side (only 200 mtrs away the sea is rough and fun to play in . The tavernas are plentiful with Georges being one of the best a family run hotel with many original recipies ( the best fried cheese anywhere and very dramatic ! ). Most have rooms to rent at a reasonable cost and you will always feel welcome. There are also trips by boat to Emporious from the Jetties at Telendos and Kalymnos .It's worth the trip just for the boat ride and marvel at how they built the little churches so high up the cliffs, and the dramatic scenery of both Islands as you sail gently up the channel skippered by Skevos. Telendos also has a resident artist Anneke (the skippers wife ) who specialises in telendos landscapes. Do'nt come here if you want noisy night life this a purly laid back Island where you do not wear a watch and do'nt conform to set meal times. Have a great time there for a day a week or longer . Once you've been here you wont want to leave . This is just a small sample of whats there BY John Jennings ( by the time you read this we will be living on Kalymnos visiting Telendos regulary to see our many friends .You wont miss us as we are the Maddos with the three Great Danes). Hope to see you there.

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Talk:Phone service

Valid article?
Hmmm, this is an interesting Project:What is an article? issue. Maybe if we can edit and format it a little more like Discount airlines in Europe? Thoughts?

 * I tried to get that process started by moving it to Telephone service for travel. We can maybe talk about options for calling, options for receiving calls, etc. I'm not really sure what the rates that are referred to on this page are -- then again, I don't have a cellie. --(WT-en) Evan 18:49, 28 Jan 2004 (EST)

This really looks like a commercial blurb and not a helpful travel topic. It'd be nice if someone would edit it into a more general and helpfull article. I'm not sure if I should reword or just remove what's there now. Thoughts? (WT-en) Majnoona

Telephones
Moved from travellers' pub by (WT-en) Evan

You can get a phone that accepts SIM cards, allowing you to get a local number wherever you go. I think that's very cool, but is it the best option? A page that reviews all the alternatives for phone service while travelling would be useful. Especially for me, as I know basically nothing about this. -- (WT-en) Tim

 * It may help to ask your question about Telephone service for travel with a broken link. Someone will follow it and get an article started, I bet! --(WT-en) Evan 09:34, 24 Dec 2003 (PST)

 * I lose again! No wonder I don't have anything to add to Las Vegas. Anyways, someone started an article on cellphone service at Call home? At what rate? and I shoe-horned it into Telephone service for travel. It's now on the Travel topics rump directory page, which, hey, might inspire some contributions. --(WT-en) Evan 18:44, 28 Jan 2004 (EST)

Commercial mentions?
(I also edited under the IP address 69.178.40.95 -- I forgot to log in first)

I debated whether to post the specific mentions of companies (Vonage, DialPad, Net2Phone, Costco, etc.), but since the article already mentioned several other specific commercial products by name, I decided to follow that lead. After all, from what I understand, this is a site devoted to helping travelers find the best and most up-to-date information and isn't supposed to be a timeless encyclopedia. (Is Wikipedia's NPOV an ideal around here?)

Another note: I think the Internet Phones and IP phone companies either need to be combined or the differences need to be explained more clearly. Or maybe I'm just not thinking clearly--it's about that time of night here when I should be looking at the mattresses.

 * Yes we should select companies most useful for travelers. E.g. you can sign on from any net-cafe and make the first call immidiately without being forced into a subscription. The "investment" should be low, e.g. less than €10-20. Some companies are experimenting with web-based phones (Java or Axtive-X) which means that you can call from most computers with a microphone and speakers. Companies that let you call free (including no subscribtion) to other IP phones from other companies (eg using E164) should also be preferred. I think SIP-based companies are most useful to travelers because you can both use software programs and bring a hardware IP-phone. When travelling you can often not install software on the computers you use.-- (WT-en) elgaard 12:19, 19 Apr 2005 (EDT)

(WT-en) Cluth 02:43, 19 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * We do aim for a NPOV tone (you might want to take a look at Project:Welcome, Wikipedians btw) but we're more about being timely than timeless and travellers at various points are going to need "commercial" information. Of course it can be a slippery slope between "commercial information" and "ads" or "product directories" but so far we really haven't had much trouble... (WT-en) Majnoona 08:20, 19 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Needs some reorganization
Love this topic - wish I'd found it years ago - and there is a lot of really good information here. I've updated some of it. That said, I think this really needs some reorganization and an introduction that covers the options overall - unless there's some objection I'll be working on this. (WT-en) mr_Handy 16:51, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

 * This almost needs to be three separate articles, payphone, cellular telephone and Internet telephone, with just a summary left as the main article. It's possible to fill an entire wiki with just the Internet 'phone info: http://www.voip-info.org is exactly that. K7L (talk) 19:13, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

A terrible experience
Back in 2011, I made a hour long call to my home in Pakistan from Lion's Garden Hotel in Budapest without realising it can cost me a lot. Next morning, I was told that my photo bill is 175,000 HUF for an hour long call. After a small fight (not physical) and negotiations, they agreed on 65,000 HUF and I paid it. --Saqib (talk) 19:21, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Almost €600? Unless you dialled the wrong number and got connected to the International Space Station or at least to the South Pole I suspect that was some sort of a scam so maybe you should add it there (or rather here: Budapest - that section is already quite depressing). ϒpsilon (talk) 20:03, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes some €600 but as I said I only paid 65,000 HUF. I've been told later that it is something like a scam and I should had reported it to police but I was already left the country until then. They even gave me the invoices of both the 175,000 HUF and receipt invoice of 65,000 HUF. --Saqib (talk) 20:25, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's like the restaurant mentioned in common scams where they have a separate menu for people they want to con with ten times higher prices printed out... I'm pretty sure that nowadays the real cost for an international phone call in most parts of the world is never higher than about €1 per minute and that's why they could easily give you a "discount". I remeber a story of a friend of a relative who was pulled over by the police in Hungary because they were supposedly "speeding" on the highway with their Finnish registered car. However when his Hungarian wife started to ask the police (in Hungarian of course) what the heck this was supposed to be the police let them go without any fines! ϒpsilon (talk) 20:44, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you think we should add a line to this article something like "you can try a discount if the bill exceeds your limit". --Saqib (talk) 20:54, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Lol. "...and remember to bring your own cell phone the next time or use Skype" ϒpsilon (talk) 21:04, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, I had my own mobile phone at that time but it stopped working when I entered Hungary from Austria. --Saqib (talk) 21:08, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I added a warning box. Comment or improvements solicited. Should it be only an infobox?
 * There was recent incident where an American kid visiting Canada used his dad's cell phone to play some online games and the bill was $20,000-odd. Pashley (talk) 21:01, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Warning box looks appropriate here. --Saqib (talk) 21:04, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * ϒpsilon and Pashley: I was looking for some old files and see what I found. --Saqib (talk) 10:29, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Worse than outrageous, taking into consideration that the original price would be almost one month's median wage in Hungary! That phone bill could very well work as illustration or part of it as banner for common scams. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:12, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Definately the bill can be used to illustrate this page as well. BTW, As you can see in the bill, at one point, the hotel receptionist decreased the bill to 81,000 HUF but at the least, 65K was decided. A similar case was about to happen in Greece as well in 2013. I was staying in Holidays Inn, Athens and rather than using my home mobile number which cost too much in Europe due to high roaming charges, I asked receptionist what would be call charges to Pakistan. They told me they don't know call charges for Pakistan. But they may only know once I made a call. It reminded me of Budapest and I decided to make NO calls. --Saqib (talk) 12:43, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Provider listings
The provider listings currently in this article (at least for Internet phone) are very uneven in geographical coverage. Nothing in Australia, nothing in Asia but plenty of North America and Europe coverage to the detriment of basically every other region. I've tried organising SIP by region but it only makes the issue more visible. K7L (talk) 17:21, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

 * I've split out mobile telephones and Internet telephony, moving the whole mess there and keeping this page as an overview. That doesn't fix the issue, just moves it. I'm also wondering if we still need (or even want) "Call" and "Receive" as separate sections as most of this (with the exception of pay phones, payphone cards, pocket pagers and phones on aircraft) is inherently bidirectional and duplicated in both categories. K7L (talk) 22:48, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Pre-paid phone cards
I think the section about pre-paid cards is confusing, as there are pre-paid SIM cards, prepaid cards to operate a payphone and prepaid cards that allow you to call via an operator (human or not) on a toll-free or low-cost number. The first is mentioned as an option for mobile phones (and may be somewhat expanded in that context) and the second should be handled in the section on payphones. I think the section is about the last ones, but that should be clarified. --LPfi (talk) 08:25, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Tempe

Three Roots closed down permanently. :< Will remove now...

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Talk:Tenerife

Combine all Tenerife articles into one
I've been in Tenerife for 10 days now, and while I really like the island I don't believe there is enough content to justify having one page per city. I propose refactoring the articles to give a comprehensive island-wide view so newcomers know what to expect (difference between north and south, getting around, etc.)

(WT-en) Yajoe 14:17, 25 December 2011 (EST)

 * With almost a million inhabitants, there ought to be enough here to sustain a good set of articles. This article should be a comprehensive overview.  Please do add any information you think might be missing!  (WT-en) LtPowers 15:52, 27 December 2011 (EST)

Get in/Get around info from Culture and nature of Tenerife
I'm moving this here, in case it's of any benefit to merge any of this text:

Arrival
Tenerife has 2 airports, one in the north of the island (Tenerife Norte,, formerly known as Los Rodeos), and one in the south (Terife Sur, , also known as Reine Sofia). Although Tenerife Norte is the closest to capital Santa Cruz de Tenerife, its southern counterpart is the larger airport of the two and gets the most traffic with 11 million passengers per year. That is over 10 times as many as there are inhabitants on the island! As a result, there are numerous direct flights to Tenerife Sur from several European countries, whereas direct flights to Tenerife Norte are mainly from Spain and neighbouring islands. This is somewhat inconvenient for tourists, because all of the most important cultural sites of the island are in the north.

Although Tenerife's airports are both international airports, they only accommodate flights to and from the European Union, i.e. other Schengen territories. If you wish to fly to Tenerife from outside the European Union, you'll have to transit through a mainland airport in a European Union member state. For that reason, there are no direct flights between Tenerife and any African country, although Morocco, Algeria, and Mauretania are all geographically closer to Tenerife than Spain is.

Since there is very little to see or do in the south of the island due to its hot and arid climate, most travellers will immediately head north or northeast upon arrival at Tenerife Sur airport. Although it is perfectly possible to move around the island with public transport, the options are somewhat limited: Tenerife does not have a rail network, with the exception of a single tram line connecting Santa Cruz de Tenerife and San Cristóbal de La Laguna, and thus the only public transport option are buses. All buses are run by operator TITSA which have a very good route planner on their website, and even relatively remote places are reachable by bus given enough time. Dragging large backpacks and luggage onto a crowded bus won't make you many friends among the locals though, so unless you plan to travel exceptionally light, relying solely on buses to get around the island will likely prove to be inconvenient.

Although not the most ecological method of transport, a rented car is a reasonable efficient way to get around if someone in your party has a driver's license, and allows to reach points of interest that are out of range of the TITSA bus network. It's best to book a rental car in advance online, companies like Europcar have an office in the terminal building of Tenerife Sur Airport, where a booked vehicle can be picked up straight away. It's wise to pay a bit extra for a rugged vehicle, because many roads on the island are relatively steep and have a gravel or sand surface.

The main roads on Tenerife are well maintained, and a highway goes around most of the island, starting just south of Garachico in the north, heading east until Tenerife Norte Airport just south of Tegueste. It then turns south through San Cristóbal de La Laguna and Santa Cruz de Tenerife before heading southwest to Tenerife Sur Airport. The last section climbs northwest and ends just before Santiago del Teide. It's possible to complete the circle, but the last section between Garachico and Santiago del Teide passes through natural reserve and is therefore not a highway but a smaller mountain road (TF82) that takes much more time to traverse.

It's possible to pass through the interior of the island as well, with roads leading up to El Teide from 4 directions: from Los Gigantes to the west, Vilaflor to the south, La Esperanza to the east, and La Orotava to the north. Keep in mind that these are also mountain roads with numerous bends, and not the fastest way to get from one side of the island to the other. There are no long distance tunnels since digging into the active magma chamber of a volcano is a decisively bad idea.

Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:15, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

"Talk" section
This was a pretty radical change, basically going from "most people will understand you" to "most people won't". Is suspect the truth may lie somewhere in-between, maybe with local differences in touristic/southern vs. rural/northern areas. Comments from further people who have also been there would probably be helpful. FYI. --El Grafo (talk) 08:25, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I agree it was a radical change, and not one which was especially well-executed, just turning the same words into negatives. This was the comment I left on user talk:FrillDragon, which didn't attract a reply:

 * Thank you for your edits to Tenerife. I must say, I'm surprised by the changes you made, as they don't reflect my experiences as an English-speaking tourist on other Canary Islands (Lanzarote and La Gomera, I only spent a couple of hours on Tenerife), and I thought Tenerife would be the most cosmopolitan island in the group. Is your experience as a local or a visitor?

 * How well do you know Tenerife, user:El Grafo? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:59, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Not well enough to offer anything but anecdotal evidence: I've been there twice, stayed in Puerto de la Cruz (hotel) and Icod de los Vinos (apartment). Spent most of my time hiking, so really not much contact to the locals unfortunately. Only been to two (tourist-trap) restaurants in Puerto, otherwise eaten at the hotel or did our own cooking. I've stayed away from the tourist hot spots in the south and attractions like Loro Parque. That being said, my personal impression is that people working in the tourism industry (hotels, restaurants, car rental, ...) know about enough English to do their job, but not much more. I remember the cashier in the little grocery store adjusting her screen for me to see the total I had to pay with a routined movement suggesting that that's how she's doing it all the time. Maybe she was not able or willing to tell me in english, or maybe she thought I wouldn't understand anyway (I guess I might look a bit German). Ordering a Kebap in a little side street in Santa Cruz, English was not really helpful. Over-all, I suppose I used my hands and feet a bit more than I would have expected, but communication never really was a problem. I suppose it really is a matter of perspective and what you are used to from previous travels to other locations: The guy who sold me bus tickets in a 7/11 in Stockholm spoke better English than anyone I met on the island. But again: my sample size is small and biased towards the North, so I'd really like some other voices here. --El Grafo (talk) 10:54, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

 * Sure. It would be helpful if FrillDragon left a comment. It's hard to know how representative your experiences are, but all of us can only go off of our own anecdotal evidence. I'll also put in a request for comment, though I don't think many regulars in this community are familiar with the Canaries.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:19, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

 * I've never been to Tenerife, but my hunch is that your chances of finding an English speaker may vary by season, with a higher chance in the summer peak season, and a lower chance in the winter low season. My Scottish former roommate whose family has summer homes in Spain said that he had no issue finding English speakers in the south of Spain whenever he went, which would be in the summer (which as you know, is when many British people move to Spain to enjoy the heat). On the other hand, I went to the same part of Spain in the winter, English speakers were actually pretty rare, and there were many instances where I went to restaurants and none of the staff spoke English, which meant that I had to pull out my Spanish phrasebook. The dog2 (talk) 15:33, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

 * In places like Costa del Sol you can generally get by in English, though again I've been there in the spring and summer. But in places that aren't "all about tourism" (this includes Madrid) speaking only English can be somewhat tricky, both in mid-summer and late fall.
 * I haven't been to the Canary Islands, but they receive millions of visitors in the winter. A considerable part, if not most, are from parts of Europe where English proficiency is high (e.g. to Las Palmas there were several daily flights from Helsinki alone), so I would imagine you could get by perfectly well in English in the beach resorts (again, it may not be the case in less visited parts of the islands). Ypsilon (talk) 17:03, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * From online searches I found, , and , which aren't exactly the most reliable sources but seem to agree with the comments above. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 17:10, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

I went to Costa del Sol in the winter, and English was definitely not widely spoken. Hotel staff still spoke English, as did staff at the major tourist attractions like the Alhambra and Malaga's Picasso Museum, but when you are out in the streets, people who could speak English were certainly a minority (though not impossible to find). I had difficulty finding English-speaking waiters at the restaurants and bars for instance (though the food was very good). That said, the beaches were deserted, and places like Malaga and Granada weren't particularly crowded, so while there was a greater language barrier, there's the advantage of not being overwhelmed by the crowds. The dog2 (talk) 17:45, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * On Costa del Sol, there's also a large number of expats living there including retirees and people working online more more less year-round. In Fuengirola, for example, as many as 25% of the population are expats according to Wikipedia. But again, if you live there for a longer period you will learn some Spanish. Ypsilon (talk) 18:02, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

 * The Canary Islands are a very different destination to any of the mainland Costas; because of their subtropical climate, they're sunny and warm even in December, so popular with tourists at all times of the year. Winters may not be exactly frigid on the Costas, but they do have an off season, where the numbers of (possibly English-speaking) seasonal workers are fewer.

 * "If you live there for a longer period you will learn some Spanish" You'd think so, wouldn't you? But there are many "expats" (often of British origin, let's face it) who have been permanent residents of Spain for years and who can't manage any more Spanish than "Cerveza por favor".--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:07, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Canaries are called the "islands of eternal spring" for a reason. I don't think you would find much seasonal fluctuations there in terms of language. --El Grafo (talk) 09:10, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi everyone, I am not a traveler, rather, I am a Tenerife local 23 years already. Getting around the island is a part of my job. I must say I was dumbfounded as I was reading the text about the locals speaking English. If the locals would excel in foreign languages, I wouldn't have a job in the first place. English is spoken only by the most high-class locals who attended english schools, and of course, expats. FrillDragon (talk) 06:30, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

 * Please edit accordingly, and thanks! Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:03, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Tenggol

Contributor link: for rersearching this article try: - (WT-en) Huttite 07:31, 15 Apr 2005 (EDT)
 * http://www.cuti.com.my/Sub/Terengganu/guide_tenggol.htm

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Talk:Tennant Creek

Comments
Hi, have added in some links to Territory Discoveries (government wholesaler) as well as Greyhound (bus) and GSR (train) - Teedeent

Comments
Hi my name is Lex, you may notice that some of the text I am adding to the Tennant Creek page appears in another website eg travelnt.com, that is because I am the original author and have permission to use it on wikivoyage. --(WT-en) Lex 12:08, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Tennessee

List of Famous Tennesseans
What is the purpose of the list of Famous Tennesseans? It just keeps growing and growing. What are the criteria for inclusion on the list? President? Politician? Country music singer? Musician? Movie Star? Performer? .... anybody who made the news or was on TV and has had 15 seconds of fame? Where does one stop? This information is better suited to Wikipedia, unless someone wants to make a Famous Tennesseans road trip itinerary to visit all the places in the state that these Famous Tennesseans were born/lived/died in. -- (WT-en) Huttite 17:09, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * I agree. There might be something in it for context to mention one or two famous Tennesseans, 'specially if they have attractions (ie historic homes), but this seems like a List Fr Lists' sake. I'm gonna plunge forward and remove the list. If there's a big disagreement with this someone can roll it back (or better yet!) redo the list as a few sentences of prose.(WT-en) Majnoona 19:02, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * I excised the list and put it here for discussion and contemplation. The first 3 names on the list, Andrew Jackson, Sequoyah and Davy Crockett, are reasonably famous historic figures and might rate a mention. Though they should be listed under things like the See section, for historic homes, memorials or museums about these people. The famousness of the rest remains to be seen, say, after a hundred years or so has elapsed. -- (WT-en) Huttite 19:36, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)

Famous Tennesseans

 * Andrew Jackson. First Tennessean elected to the House of Representatives.  Nicknamed "Stonewall" Jackson during the battle of New Orleans in the War of 1812.  Also referred to as "Old Hickory".  Built his home, the Hermitage, near Nashville.

 * Sequoyah. Born near Fort Loudoun (near Knoxville), Sequoyah is credited as the inventor of the written Cherokee Indian alphabet.  He serverd under Andrew Jackson during the War of 1812 and also served as an envoy of the Cherokee Nation to Washington, D.C.

 * Davy Crockett. Nicknamed "King of the Wild Frontier", Davy Crockett was a member of the Tennessee legislature and a member of the United States Congress as well as one of the defenders at the beseiged Alamo.

 * Chet Atkins. Accredited with helping to create the "Nashville sound" of the 50's and 60's, Chet is a world famous guitarist with hits in both the country and pop music charts.

 * Minnie Pearl. A longtime member of the Grand Ole Opry and the Country Music Hall of Fame, Minnie Pearl was best recognized in her straw hat with the price tag still attached.

 * Dolly Parton. This member of the Country Music Hall of Fame was born into a poor family in Locust Ridge.  As well as a long and successful music career, she opened Dollywood theme park, and provides scholarships for students in Sevier County, Tennessee.

 * Morgan Freeman. This oscar winning actor credited in over 50 feature films was born in Memphis.

 * Cybil Shepherd. This actress was born in Memphis.

 * Aretha Franklin. This "giant of soul music" was born in Memphis.

 * Albert (Al) Gore, Jr.. The Vice President of the United States under President Bill Clinton was born in Carthage, near Nashville.

 * Wilma Rudolph. This Olympic champion was born in Clarksville, near Nashville, as the 20th child of 22 and overcame polio to win medals in several track events.

 * Tina Turner.

 * Alvin York.

 * Isaac Hayes.

The eternal nine-city dilemma
I cut the list back from 13 to 9. Anyone think that one of these removed entries should be swapped for one of the survivors? Are there cities here that don't belong at all?

 * Bristol - the Birthplace of Country Music and site of the NASCAR Bristol International Raceway.
 * cut because: no article

 * Elizabethton- site of Sycamore Shoals and the Transylvania Purchase.
 * cut because: bare outline

 * Hendersonville - City by The Lake, Nashville suburb
 * cut because: suburb of Nashville which is already listed, seems better suited to regional article

 * Murfreesboro- Geographical center of the state and home of Middle Tennessee State University.
 * cut because: weakest of remaining articles

-- (WT-en) D. Guillaime 01:00, 5 February 2010 (EST)

 * Cookeville, Greenville and Johnson City (Tennessee) also look like possible removal targets to me. Nashville, Chattanooga, Knoxville and Memphis are the state's four largest cities, and Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge are both huge tourist draws, but the other three don't seem to be at the same level of notoriety, IMHO. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 02:10, 5 February 2010 (EST)

 * Cookville needs to go. Most of the listings are for things like walmart and applebees and the only attraction is the university. Godsendlemiwinks (talk) 03:18, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Tennessee state flag
Why we do have a big honking infobox on the Tennessee state flag? It's been here for years. This is not Wikipedia, and we don't put flags on other pages, because this is a travel guide, not a compendium of all information there is to read about a place. Any objection to it being removed? Ground Zero (talk) 00:30, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Seeing no objection, I've deleted it. Ground Zero (talk) 14:32, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Tenney

Part of this article is also available from Wikipedia:Tenney, Minnesota, but I'm going to assume that the person who worked on the WP article with the name "Spottacus" is the same as the user here. --(WT-en) Evan 16:11, 9 January 2007 (EST)

You're right, I'm the same guy, and I wrote the bulk of both pages.(WT-en) Spottacus 12:41, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

Merge with Breckenridge?
Absolutely not. Tenney and Breckenridge are twenty miles apart, and Tenney is an independent municipality, with its own elected officials and the right to levy taxes from its landowners. I can't think of any reason why the two articles should be merged, any more than you would merge New York and New Jersey or San Francisco and Oakland.(WT-en) Spottacus 12:41, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Well, for one thing, the population of New Jersey and Oakland is slightly greater than six... more importantly, though, Project:What is an article? generally requires that there's a place to sleep, and allowing RVs to park doesn't quite cut it.  Tenney is thus a detour for travellers, not a destination where you can spend the night. (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:18, 4 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Jani's right in principle, but I'd be tempted to leave this one be, even though it's marginal as a place to spend the night. The fact(?) that it's the smallest official city in America ought to be good for something, like say a Project:Discover entry. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 13:28, 4 July 2007 (EDT)
 * The very fact of the small population is what draws people to Tenney, and many people do visit. It's probably true that more amenities would make it a more notable destination, but people already travel great distances to see the town.  They make trips there, not just detours.  It's been featured in many newspaper articles, at least one coffee table book, and a popular travel blog.  So it's a destination by itself.  Here's my strenuous vote for keeping it a separate article.(WT-en) Spottacus 01:09, 5 July 2007 (EDT)
 * If there is no further discussion and no one else makes a move, I'm inclined to remove the merger tag from this article. Any objection? (WT-en) Spottacus 04:32, 14 July 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Teotihuacan

Teotihuacan is not an Aztec archaeological site!

The opening sentence of this article is wrong.

Teotihuacan was originally settled around approximately 200 b.c.e and abandoned around 700 c.e., long before the Aztecs were a formal, unified people.

The Aztecs (also known as the Mexica) came across the abandoned site during their migration down into the Valley of Mexico, a migration that has been said to have lasted 200 years, ending with their founding of Tenochtitlan (modern day Mexico City) in 1325 c.e., and beginning what would go on to be known as the Aztec empire.

The Aztecs believed that Teotihuacan, due to its splendor and enormity, must have been a place where the gods had once dwelled, and thus gave it its name "Teotihuacan" - the place where men became gods (in Nahuatl, the Aztec language). The Aztecs were also known to have taken items and art from Teotihuacan as well as borrowing and adopting styles and motifs found at Teotihuacan into their own art.

first pic of pyramid of sun
needs a header like something under it saying pyramid of sun. --71.254.108.144 02:17, 19 March 2009 (EDT)

Bus and Entrance Price Update
Hi guys, I visited the park in October 2015 and noticed the price for the bus and entrance fee has changed. The bus was 44 for a one way ticket and the entrance fee was 64. I have updated the page accordingly. --Justvagabonding (talk) 18:54, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:30, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Tepelene

Name
Keeping with the use of indefinite nouns for city names, this ought to be called Tepelene, not Tepelena (WT-en) sethinthebox 16:13, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

A Communist Concentration Camp to be made into a Museum
An organization, the Albanian Authority for Access to Information on Ex-Sigurimi Files (or AIDSSH, a body established in 2015 to open up the secret police files of the communist regime), has a 2017 plan to turn a communist concentration camp near Telepena "into a museum complex to honor those Albanians who had been put into forced labor camps." --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 21:42, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Tepoztlan

Wow, this stub smacks of cultural appropriation. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 97.120.127.163 (talk • contribs)

 * It's certainly not making me want to visit. If you know the place and can improve it, please do!  - (WT-en) D. Guillaime 18:34, 11 January 2010 (EST)

The Cultural Center "Centro Cultural CCPLE Pedro Lopez Elias in "Connect"
This shouldn't be in "Connect" unless the main point is that they have Wi-Fi. I suppose it should be in "Do". But is it physically located in Tepoztlan? If so, it needs a listing, which has to include a street address, telephone number, email address, etc. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:36, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Teresópolis

La Paz, Bolivie, le 10/11/2008

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Talk:Ternate

Does anybody know how the weather is in Ternate and halmahera from february ?

Boiling hot in the morning, heavy rain in the afternoon, cool and pleasent in the evening, and hot and sticky at night.

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Talk:Terre Haute

"Running Red Lights"
I am not sure who added this, but I don't see a higher incidence of drivers running red lights here than I do anywhere else. Removed. --(WT-en) Johnny 99 09:31, 14 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Good for you. I hate that crap. (WT-en) OldPine 09:49, 14 July 2007 (EDT)

title: Talk:Terre Haute