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Talk:Money

Can data be intercepted whilst transmitting between ATM and bank?
The following text seemed absurd to me so I removed it. Are there seriously any security concerns that data is intercepted between the machine and the bank by third parties in any country? Andrewssi2 (talk) 13:25, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

 * In addition, "official" ATMs placed in such areas by major local banks tend to better protect your data as it is transferred between the ATM and your bank's account.

Andrewssi2, am not familiar with text you removed. However: Sad but true. Regards, Hennejohn (talk) 19:05, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Whether usable data can be intercepted between an ATM or store cashier and servicing bank(s) depends greatly on the total design of the system used...including the card. As you may have noticed, several major retailers in the U.S. recently had their credit card data  massively compromised.  The data was stolen largely due to lack of modern card technology now widely enjoyed in Europe and elsewhere, i.e., embedded chips on cards that immediately (on insertion in a modern/secure card reader or ATM) set up a strongly encrypted session between the card and servicing bank(s).  In contrast, cards with only magnetic stripes have their data read "in the clear" by machines with obsolete system software offering little or no security for data captured or transmitted.  These same problems can apply to debit/ATM cards without security "chips" used in ATMs without highly-effective security measures built-in...typical in the U.S.
 * As mentioned elsewhere in the article, placement of "official" ATMs outside a bank's premises, and in areas without bank surveillance, can still leave them at risk of professional criminal actions to make them unsecure, e.g., by insertion of data skimmers.  ATMs need controlled premises, highly public locations and/or secure surveillance that variably make criminal modifications risky.

 * The text I removed was: In addition, "official" ATMs placed in such areas by major local banks tend to better protect your data as it is transferred between the ATM and your bank's account.
 * This could give the impression that there are criminal gangs waiting to 'intercept' your financial details between the ATM and the bank. As you suggest, credit card fraud has a wide variety of methods, but none seemingly 'on the wire' between an ATM and the financial institute in question. Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:36, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Prepaid cards
The good discussion does not mention if any or all have embedded security chips...a bit of clarification as to if they do and special procedures for adding to their value. Regrets, am unqualified. Hennejohn (talk) 01:31, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Chip cards
Previous discussion referenced/was complemented by a photo example. Don't see one now. Can it be restored? Regrets, don't know how. Regards, Hennejohn (talk) 18:33, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Noticed photo had copyright issues, so deleted reference to it a few days ago. Perhaps someone can find another that's usable.  Hennejohn (talk) 02:19, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * commons:category:smart cards may have some candidates, as may the WP articles on smart card, EMV debit card and the like. K7L (talk) 18:17, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

check or cheque
If I don't misunderstand policy, this whole article should be spelled in American English... However, the word "cheque" still crops up quite a few times instead of "check". What should we do about this? Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:37, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

 * My spell chequer says it's fine. K7L (talk) 22:17, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

 * Regardless of policy, I like 'cheque' because it is unambiguous whereas 'check' in ambiguous. If we are to follow policy to the letter then I guess 'check' it should be.... --Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:32, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Signatures lessening security?
I removed a sentence from the US paragraph:
 * "Chipped" credit and debit cards will initially generate a sales slip for your signature, a step that somewhat reduces the excellent level of security obtained by "pure" chip/PIN operation.

I fail to see how a signature, in addition to the PIN, would reduce the level of security. Unless the PIN is not needed, the signature should add an independent way to recognize a false transaction. To my understanding skipping the signing is only a way to get the transaction faster. --LPfi (talk) 11:42, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

 * Well I have only ever been asked for PIN or signature, never both. Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:41, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

 * OK. Probably the sentence was just less carefully worded. I'll put it back in modified form. --LPfi (talk) 19:07, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the revert. Mr. "Schuster" is right about the U.S. still lagging in security measures.  Merchant's card readers here don't ask for the PIN; instead, they just print a sales slip for signature.  I continue to be amazed at how often you all improve articles.  Many thanks,  Hennejohn (talk) 21:16, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Too technological?
It seems we have different stands on what is too encyclopedic and what is indeed useful for the traveller, in the case of credit/debit/ATM cards with a "security chip". I, personally, have a desire to understand any technology I rely on, and in this case understanding the technology may help avoiding some rather unusual but still realistic problems.

The most important thing is realising when a card may have been copied or abused. In an area where some ATMs and other devices allow using the magnetic strip of chip cards, making a useful copy of the card is as easy as were there no chip. I suppose those with equipment to copy the card also can read the information to make the copy elsewhere, where the strip can be used, although this requires some more work and international contacts. Thus the chip does not prevent making and using chipless copies. This info was deemed too encyclopedic, as was "they eliminate some of the security issues" [my italics].

I detest statements that make people believe in some magic; talking about "security chips" without some explanation on how (technically) the chip affects security furthers technological helplessness, which is all too common nowadays. The explanation does not need to be long and involved, but saying "master keys never leave the card, and their use without PIN is limited" late in the section is not too much in my not so humble opinion.

I also do think it is important to mention the possibility of unauthorized transactions being hard to deny. There was e.g. an incident of hackers demonstrating modifying a ("stolen") card in such a way that any PIN would make the logs tell the PIN was successfully entered (using a breach in the protocol). It seemed this explained some transactions the banks had refused to treat as abuse. If somebody looses a big amount of money, they should know there may be such problems.

--LPfi (talk) 07:14, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

 * The whole section is of very marginal use to the traveller right now, and by the end of the year it will have none. The security issues are the same, whether you use your card across the world, or at your local newsagent.  At the moment, there is the need to explain the difference, because some people in the USA may be unused to chip cards.  However, that is rapidly changing, and soon 99% of people across the planet will have chipped cards.  People should understand the risks associated with their card use. But, if we really want to devote a section to the technicalities of a chip card, and how it works, it should be some section down the bottom of this article.  Leading an article on travel money with how a chip card works is all wrong.  I'd support a section on 'tips on using a credit card safely to avoid fraud' --Inas (talk) 08:08, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

 * I've just read through the article again, and I tried to give the start a little more structure. I think there are a fair few things in this article that don't rise above the obvious bar. --Inas (talk) 08:47, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

 * OK. If the risks are the ones people are accustomed to and we do not make an impression of discussing or comparing the security, then not much need to be said. I'll wait and see how the article is developing. --LPfi (talk) 11:39, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

 * I now removed the remaining references to chip card security; if we do not want to have security information, let us not pretend to. I would prefer to have a short discussion pointing the interested reader in the right direction (I suppose that would mean adding only a few sentences), but it should be quite easy to add/reinsert, probably together with other security issues. --LPfi (talk) 23:13, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

 * I think security should be discussed. As well as the why and how of it... Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:38, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

This is nominated for featuring - what remains to be done
I have argued in the discussion of its feature-nomination that this should only go live once it is "settled" and requires only a few edits if any. So what remains there to get this into that state? If I don't misinterpret the debates, there was some disagreement as to the amount of technical and technological detail we should provide... Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:57, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

 * I just think in a travel guide we should try and keep the guide primarily pertinent to travel. In the case of Money, this is primarily overseas travel - because if your just travelling from New York to Boston you generally just use Money the way you do at home.  I think we need to tease out the information that is actually relevant to the a person travelling.  What do you have to consider before leaving home?  What additional fees do you have to think about?  How do ATMs and point of sale facilities vary in different countries? --Inas (talk) 21:40, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

 * The article is far from ready. There is still confusion in the structure, e.g. using the cards, the fees involved and the security trade-offs have separate sections, but some discussion is spread around. Some of it should perhaps go into Before you leave home (why is that section placed as it is?). Should the fees be discussed together with the benefits and drawbacks on different cards? And so on. The confusion is natural during and soon after a rewrite, but should not remain into June.

 * The disagreement on technical detail is just a disagreement. We may find a compromise or either version could be written well with little effort. Figuring out a good structure and implementing it is much more work. On the other hand, only little new material seems to be needed.

 * --LPfi (talk) 21:47, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Inas, your example of Boston New York travel would of course not necessitate reading our article, but if someone from e.g. Managua were to go to the Rio San Juan Region (which, for all the talk of how the Rio San Juan is some kind of sacred river, hardly anybody ever does), they would have to know whether ATMs exist there (and of their network) and if not what realistic alternatives there are to bringing a huge wad of cash. And some scams are not run everywhere with the same efficiency; take for instance a doctored ATM in a sketchy location - easy to evade if you are in a city with hundreds of ATMs. But what if you don't trust the one ATM for hundred kilometers in either cardinal direction? But yes, on the whole your point does of course stand. Our focus should be travel and at that long distance travel. But say you take the Acela from New York to Boston and usually take the Metro all around New York yet for some reason don't have a credit card - the obvious question would be: How do I get around Boston without a (my own) car and who will take cash? Due to things mentioned in the article, a rental car would probably not be a good idea, unless you have a credit card. But I don't know whether everybody knows that. Okay I am getting hypothetical, I know. Point is, there appears to be a lot of work still to be done... Let's try and make a bulleted list, shall we? Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:06, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Well, I'd say if they want to find out if there is an ATM in a particular place, they will need to look at the local guides.
 * As start to list would be
 * Look at the information that is duplicated, like much of the information on exchange rates, and decide if we should pull this info to the start of the article, because it is applicable to all forms of currency.
 * Maybe use a table, or some other structure to compare the benefits of different cards/cash
 * Extract security advice advice into a separate section. Think about how much security info can be assumed.  Not writing down your PIN would seem obvious to me, and isn't really related to travel.
 * Remove the remaining parts of the article that are outdated, or simply not true any more.
 * Work out what can be assumed knowledge. We need to tell people that not all ATMs have letters on the buttons, but perhaps not how to key a PIN into an ATM.
 * Update the images, so they are more instructional and illustrative. What do different styles of ATM look like close up.
 * --Inas (talk) 08:28, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

 * I think it would be good to include some things that should be obvious but are not. If using your card at home, in a safe environment, you can type the numbers carelessly (even read them from a note) without anything bad happening for years, but if you do the same in the wrong location and get robbed, your situation is miserable. Same with most other security advice. A line about checking your banks security advice might cover most of the most obvious things, but those most people do not think of should still be mentioned. --LPfi (talk) 11:05, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Absolutely no problem with this, but I think you'll agree in the article as it was, this advice was placed many times throughout the article. That's why I think extract the basic security tips into a section.  That way, people who actually know how to use a credit card and and get money out of an ATM can get the travel advice without reading advice to not write down your PIN five times, which is really true everywhere.  --Inas (talk) 08:18, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Fine! Yes, there is probably enough common security issues to be handled in one place for all the cards. Whether the fees should be handled in a common section is less clear, but doing it that way instead of for the specific cards makes a comparison easier. We probably still need a comparison section, but much less detail would be needed there (and most fees and expenses are similar). --LPfi (talk) 10:49, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

As a substantial but less-gifted contributor to this article, I'd like to thank all for making this better organized and readable. Discussions here made many good points. Unfortunately, one appears hoped-for but unlikely, .e., chip cards in the U.S. are not receiving needed support. Very recent articles on Infosec indicate (1) less than 40 percent of U.S. merchants have or plan to have the necessary terminals to use any form of chip card, and (2) almost no chip card banks/issuers have any plan to soon transition to pure chip/PIN cards where no magnetic stripe or signature is involved. We can only hope. Best regards, Hennejohn  00ː06  28 March 2016 (UTC)  (Regrets - keyboard suddenly disallows entry of duplicate symbols.)

 * The whole field is very interesting, and whether chip cards take over in the states or if the whole field will be dominated by phones first is one that many financial institutions and technology companies are betting on. However, because it is all so interesting and speculative, we need to be careful we don't dive down too many rabbit holes, and focus on the parts just relevant for travel.  --Inas (talk) 01:35, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Euronet ATM transactions
In Italy I encountered ATM's of the brand Euronet, not a European but a US-based company. I tried to get money from it, but was confronted with a fee. Happily I could abort the transaction. My Dutch bank card has the Maestro logo, and in countries that have the Euro as their national currency, banks may not charge costs for getting money from the ATM's. Is the different way of Euronet a reason for adding a warning? A map I found using the search function, suggests that they are active in Italy, Poland and The Netherlands. In The Netherlands I never encountered one, but I have my regular ATM to get money, so maybe they are there but I never noticed. --FredTC (talk) 11:01, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It may be worth putting a note about this in the Money article and in Europe section. --Traveler100 (talk) 11:36, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The language in Europe seems to suggest this, although it could be less vague, if somebody knows for sure. The JESC map seems to be about the Junior Eurovision Song Contest, according to description, although I do not know why the Netherlands and Belarus (not Poland) are shown. --LPfi (talk) 12:41, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the wrong map, it was a result from a search for euronet, but I did not check it well enough. --FredTC (talk) 14:05, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I vaguely remember that the thing is that teller machine companies may not discriminate: if getting money from an account in one bank is free, getting money from another EU account must also be. As getting money from your own bank's ATM is usually free, those ATMs are free for all. I do not know how foreign cards and currencies other than the euro are handled. As the Euronet machines probably take fees from everybody, they would be allowed to do so. I do not know whether the warning is explicitly required, but silently taking money from you is hardly allowed. --LPfi (talk) 12:55, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I guess Euronet has a legal construction that allows it to ask money for the transactions with their ATM's. The may not discriminate is for banks in Europe, so I guess Euronet simply is not a bank and therefore allowed to operate ATM's without the rules that apply to the banks. For people from non-euro countries it is even worse I fear, because the exchange rate is very bad. See here for some experience information. --FredTC (talk) 14:05, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It is not only banks. Over here the banks do not run the ATMs (but a company running them). But yes, if you take money from everybody, that is not discriminating (except against the poor, but let's not go into that). --LPfi (talk) 19:58, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

PayPal in emergencies
In the section on emergencies the first bullet is about getting money wired by friends or family – but there is just one sentence on doing this from a bank and the rest is devoted to doing it via PayPal. The text does not explain why you would do that other than that it "can be done online by computer" – that is how everybody (except children and some elderly) handles their bank accounts over here.

I understand the banks are working worse in some parts of the world, so that some non-bank services are needed to get the transfer run smoothly, but it should be clear for what travellers this applies and I suppose other services could be used instead of PayPal. In any case, I think the instructions could be a lot clearer.

(Also the other options have odd focus: why is there a long paragraph on Moneygram, a second one on Western Union and the others – and a third on Zoom. It is not clear how these differ one from another so that they could not all be handled in one paragraph (with caveats and bonuses shortly mentioned where appropriate, perhaps as subbullets).

--LPfi (talk) 09:46, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

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PIN code letters
We now say "Choose numbers, as not all ATMs have or accept letters." Do ATMs in any country have a keyboard? I assume it is just the number pad that has letters on it, and what you enter is the corresponding number. If so, you may still use letters for remembering the PIN, given that you remember the logic of the letter-to-digit bounding. Does it start with ABC being 1, 2, 7 or 9? Are there three letters to every digit? Any missing letter? Any other oddness? Not that the number pad might not have digits in ascending or descending order, but rather 789 456 123 or the like, and you should still be able to type correctly. If you are used to letter codes remembering numbers may be hard (especially now, when nobody remembers phone numbers any more). Hm. The explanation seems to easily be a bit convoluted :-) –LPfi (talk) 18:54, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Funds payable outside the country?
In we say:

 * If you or one of your travelling party could exchange [the monetary instruments] outside the country for cash, you should declare. This typically does not apply if you are abroad, but not the funds or the party to be paid (e.g. domestic online payment, internationally mailing a cheque both drawn and payable exclusively in your home country, etc.)

Several points make little sense to me.

 * 1) Does "outside the country" mean outside your home country? I'd assume what is relevant is whether they are payable in the country you are entering.
 * 2) "If you are abroad"? You are crossing an international border (the paragraph isn't relevant to domestic travel), so it seems the phrase seems redundant or misleading (it doesn't matter whether the office is before or after the crossing).
 * 3) If you need to declare cheques you are going to mail later (in case they are payable locally) that should be said explicitly. And why would the customs have anything to do with domestic online payment?
 * The last point should be handled in its own paragraph, not a parenthesis. I see that the section header includes sending money. Such money probably needs to be declared when sent or received, not at border crossing, and we need to tell when that declaration has to be done, not when it doesn't. –LPfi (talk) 07:09, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Empty an account by card?
The article said:
 * If card and PIN are compromised, ATMs will dispense currency only in the general locations, dates/times and amount limits you arranged with your bank/credit union before travel.
 * If card and PIN are compromised, thieves can promptly empty the entire account, and may gain ability to use or steal other assets by examining account details."

The former is my experience (trying to get money myself). How do you promptly empty an account by card? I assume emptying the card in the latter bullet will be done by means other than ATMs. But aren't single purchased by debit card also limited to specified amounts? Getting access to other assets should not be possible through sales terminals, and online banking requires other codes. So what is this about.

There is also this bullet:
 * If a debit card number is lost or stolen, thieves can use it (with a "cloned" card and phony identification) anywhere to buy goods or services less than a certain amount [...].

Can you do anything with just the number? Are there magnetic-stripe debit cards?

I know there are frauds, but I cannot see them done in this way. I did some copy editing of these points, but I am not removing them (or rewriting them as to facts), as there might be something I don't know about this.

–LPfi (talk) 10:32, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Mongolia

General
For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Mongolia/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.

 * The marmots should not be eaten certain times of the year because they can carry Bubonic Plague.

I've got a big foamy beer for the first person who can work this line plausibly into any other article on Wikivoyage. --(WT-en) Evan 02:18, 11 Feb 2004 (EST)

 * I'll buy the second round --(WT-en) ManicParroT 20:13, 19 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * I wonder, did he put that in because Marmot Day was less than two weeks ago? -(WT-en) phma 07:07, 11 Feb 2004 (EST)

 * California. You have to be careful camping because the squirrels and chipmunks and other similar animals can carry the plague. There are plenty of animals in the US that still carry the plague. I'll take those beers now by the way. 11:26, 12 July 2009 (PST)

Here's a question. The Lonely Planet guide for Mongolia led me to the ruins of a city near Kharhorin via GPS coordinates (it's about a half day walk to the nearest town/road). When I slept in the ruins, I took my own GPS fix. I'm wondering if there will be any copyright problems if I publish my own coordinates (differ by about 300ft) and description of what I saw.

Also, as a bit of an aside, Mongolia is a country where it is super-beneficial to have GPS coordinates for sites and towns, since there's probably just the rotted remains of half a road sign in the entire country.

(WT-en) Nicksand 22:11, 22 Feb 2004 (EST)

 * Knowledge itself is not copyrightable; expression of knowledge is. It should be fine to put in the GPS coordinates you took yourself. Of course, your description shouldn't be encumbered by copyright. --(WT-en) Evan 22:41, 22 Feb 2004 (EST)

I followed the link to mongolie.mn and it's in French and the title means "French-Mongolian Travel Agency". Should this link be removed for being another guide? -(WT-en) phma 11:27, 25 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Does anybody know how fare I get with English in Mongolia? I am planning to leave the normal tourist places. Will anybody understand me? 193.216.109.229 07:42, 5 May 2006 (EDT)

A picture or something... maybe some mongolian chicks, a drawing from Ulaanbataar at least?

Regions
The list of Regions is too long, and should ideally be dived into three or four areas, such as East Mongolia, West Mongolia or The Plains etc (see Bhutan and Nepal for examples). Unfortunately, I am not familiar enough with the whole country to attempt this. If someone has this knowledge, then please plunge ahead. Thanks. (WT-en) WindHorse 22:23, 14 December 2006 (EST)

you can't do this marge it to 4 areas east south north west. what you can do is the Gobi, Khangai and Gobi Khangai mixed. make it 3. Gobi - desert, Khangai - mountans. maybe it help for you. south is gobi north is khangai and middle is Gobi Khangai mixed. but area % may be different. S.Baatarsuren 07:18 18 0ct 2009

mongolian hostels
There are fresh info about current news about Mongolia in the LP guide book Mongolia-2005 might be useful for travlloers, who looking for budget travel in 2007 : " This hidden gem of a guesthouse has clean, quiet, remodelled rooms with single, double and dorm space available .Zaya speaks English,Russian and Chinese and her assistance gets high marks from travellers.The place is often full so try to make a reservation online. The building is located inside a courtyard off Peace Ave, between Los Bandidos restaurant and Za Internet Cafe.  It’s the best guesthouse if you’re looking for a bit of quiet and a reasonable amount of privacy. cited from Lonely Planet Mongolia 2005 Edition. p. 73 2/. WHERE TO STAY Ulan Bator has a range of accommodation. At the Zaya Backpacker Hostel, (www.magicnet.mn/backpackza, 976-316-696) off Peace Avenue, a double room costs 18,700 tugrik or about $17, at about 1,100 tugrik to $1, and a dormitory bed is 4,700 turgrik, or about $4. ( http://www.newyorktimes.com/2006/08/06/travel/06explorer.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5070&en=0f1c02f4f1b1b02c&ex=1161748800 ) Also good recommedation about Zaya hostel in Hostelworld.com & Hostelbookers.com as a best one in Mongolia.

Currency
Ya i was going through this page and i saw a variety if currencies being used to describe the cost of travel and food and stuff like that...try using one currency please..it will be easy to follow and change it to the local currencies ..like USD can be take as a thumb rule. 15:24, 9 August 2007 (EDT)(WT-en) Yourdeadin 15:35, 9 August 2007 (EDT)Yourdeadin

Random
well i do get the fact that mongolia is a unique country...i have a few questions... In local sight seeings are there any particular sights to visit. like some palaces or some ruins or some temple or some thing like that.

Any other major city other that the capital it self?

Wild animals....I mean while sleeping in a tent is it a threat that some wild animal make come and attack you ?

Goons or thugs...has there been a cukture where people rob you while you are sleeping in your tent

Thanks for your answers (WT-en) Yourdeadin 15:31, 9 August 2007 (EDT)Yourdeadin

Hi, I'm Mongolian and travel professional. You asked; 1.There are many sights to see especially ancient temple/monastery ruins such as Baldan Braibung Monastery, Khar Bukhiin Balgas, Gunjiin (Princess Temple)Sum to name but a few. 2. Apart from the capital, there are 2 major cities called Darkhan and Erdenet. 220 and 370 km from the capital respectively. 3. Wild animals attacks aren't heard of though on very rare occasions, I hear about single person walking in the wilderness, by a lone (rabies) wolf. So, the odds are almost to zilch. 4. Goons or thugs. This is rare too unless you are extremely unlucky to run into some drunkards at night in the countryside.

East Asia?
By what reasoning does Mongolia constitute East Asia? It's not in the EAST, other Central Asians consider them Central Asian, and Mongolians (when asked) will either self-identify as Central Asian or even EUROPEAN.

Now, this is kind of touchy, like most Poles calling themselves Central European while a TINY minority call themselves Eastern European, and everyone else's point of view being based on their own view of Poles. But still, I've actually never heard anyone call Mongolia East Asia. Ever.

Seriously, name one way Mongolia is East Asia.

-- East Asian Nation --

Yes, by all means, Mongolia is a Central Asian country. But American foreign policy diplomats had difficulty in grasping this simple and historical fact while planning their aid programs. Mongolia was not part of the Soviet Union. And it is much easier to group Five Stans together, since all of them are former Soviet Republics. Mongolia is not China. So where to put this country? Of course, East Asia, together with China, two Koreas, Japan and Russia. So the notion of Mongolia as an "East Asian nation" originated in White House, Washington D.C., unfortunately, not Library of Congress.

 * The decision to place Mongolia in East Asia on this site has nothing to do with the U.S. or any government's designation. There is a lengthy discussion that shows how this decision came about on Wikivoyage. It makes more sense geographically to avoid having one nation separated from it's region. Although it is true that Xinjiang Province is also culturally more similar to Central Asia, it's presence as part of China isolates Mongolia therefore, it just made more sense to place Mongolia in East Asia. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 03:56, 15 December 2009 (EST)

Aimag
I see a proliferation of usage of aimag and aimag center in various Mongolian articles, with only a brief explanation in the main Mongolia article. I really think it just causes confusion for the reader, especially since the aimag article titles all say province. Is there any reason at all that aimag can't be translated simply as province? There is definitely no reason to keep using both indiscriminately, and I don't see any reason to force the reader to learn the word, not really any reason to mention it as anything more than a curiosity. We don't throw around the word ken in our Japan articles expecting travellers to have learned it means province. Why here? (WT-en) Texugo 23:57, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

If you want to head out on your own, you will need to know the word Aimag(province), and also Cym (suem) (county) as most legs of your travel will be to one or the other, since almost all towns are either Aimag Tov (ie center) or Cym Tov. I think maybe we need a language/glossary section to explain some of this.

Aimag (provence)and Cym(suem) is in our language use ordering big and small name on areas, there have more smaller then Cym (suem). "Bag" (buga) is smaller then Cym(suem). what i want to say is its become a name. for example if some one say something about Dundgovi aimag. but you are all ready in that aimag you just call it aimag. it's is confiusing but now is 21 century. few words to learn and pronaunce another language shud be easy more fun i think. when i go to visit Japan (Nippon) i can call the all province as a "ken". aimag is not the provence but we say provence. i think on Japan language "Ken" is not the meaning of provence. maybe you just compare the words to equals. i don't no japan language. end of all just leave the Aimag as Aimag. S.Baatarsuren 2009 18 Oct 07:52

H and Kh
I see we've been using H to represent the Mongolian velar fricatives. That's misleading, since H in the English language is a uvular fricative; moreover we usually use "Kh" to represent this sound, e.g., "Khartoum." Is the H an official transliteration? I see that "Hovd" gets way more hits on Google than "Khovd," although Wikipedia prefers "Khovd." I'm working on a Mongolia map now, and feel a bit inclined to change all H transliterations on our site to Kh. Thoughts? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:16, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

 * Re: The Kh v H in Mongolia.  There is a problem that the Mongols sometimes translate X in their language to H or Kh.  For example:  The Road Map of Mongolia, which is the best set of travel maps for Mongolia uses H and spells Harhorin not Khar Khorin there are of course various other spellings.  Personally I prefer to use the spellings in the LP. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Jstampfl (talk • contribs)

 * Tricky, but Sükhbataar is definitely more common in the guesthouses around UB than current Sühbaatar, Hovd than Khovd and Kharakhorin than Harakorin, but it may very well be LP's influence shining through - in any case trying to pronounce Mongolian correctly, is like getting trying to get Qeqertarsuatsiaat, Greenland right in the first try (incidentally I found Mongolian to sound very much like Greenlanders trying to speak Chinese)

 * The problem is also related to reading. When the average Mongol writes with English characters, such as on a cell phone, they use H, not Kh.  Also the English language version of the "Mongolia Road Atlas", which is very useful when traveling, uses H so we get "Harhorin, Hovsgol, Hovd.  Yes, in the guesthouses in UB, but on the road amoung locals you will find "H" is more common.  Since without some language instruction you won't pronounce Mongolian such that local people can understand you.  But if you write like a Mongolian, they can understand and "Kh" won't work well.  What I think is that a language section showing alternate spellings would be useful for travelers who don't want to hang out at tourist sites.(WT-en) jstampfl 02:43, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

 * Hmmmm, Maybe we should go after what get more hits on Google then?
 * Sükhbataar 36.000 + wikipedia / Sühbataar 21.500
 * Kharkhorin 19.200 + wikipedia / Harhorin 5.500
 * Khovsgol 27.000 + wikipedia / Hovsgol 31.100
 * Khovd 41.200 + wikipedia / Hovd 237.000
 * And make it Sükhbataar, Kharkhorin, Hovsgol and Hovd? Cause honestly if I read about Harhorin or Khovd I wouldn't have the first clue that it is the same towns or aimags I'm quite familiar with in the alternate spelling. My point with mentioning the UB guest houses was more in the lines of; this is where people organise their trips out to the Mongolian country side, and the only place they are going to have internet access - so for me it makes most sense to use what they use there, as that is where travellers are going to use wikivoyage. I envy people who have travelled independently about Mongolia, but it's definitely not the norm. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 13:12, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

It is interesting that the Mongolian Language section in Wikipedia recognizes "h" for the Mongolian "x" not the "kh" used by many western sources. I have been thinking about it alot since I do travel troughout the country on my own, and I often come across travelers doing the same thing. So my thought is that we should include the western version, as in the LP, and the Mongolian spelling.

i am mongolian. i have an idea. you guys just try to write english language on cyrillic and maybe find the unswer. for example "I love my country" to " ай ловье май коунтры" or "й лов-е м-й кaунтры" both same but this is not right to me read english on mongolian cyrilic. i think that's explane all that "kh" or "h" staff. we write everything mongolian cyrillic. then who read this for you unless you learn to read mongolian cyrillic. we not respect tourists come from all around the world learn how to read mongolian alphabet. "No". try to make something for you to easy. i sugjest just see "h" and double check "kh" what you looking for on your book or map's. take your time it won't long. be happy :) Hi, Im Mongolian. We should go with the version that's getting more hits on Google. The people running guesthouses aren't really the brightest of the tourism professionals in Mongolia/UB or in the towns/villages. They are just picking the easier version for themselves. If they start using the KH on every information they have to give tourist, very soon they'll find out they wouldn't know how to go on further. In addition, Mongolian language has a lot of sounds producing kh - kh. And I think it started with the British, writng Khara Khoram Highway etc, but LP people being mainly Aussies, trying just another/different version. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Gunnermon (talk • contribs)

 * "h" is the ISO 9 transliteration, the SMS de facto transliteration (because it's shorter than "kh"), and the national railways one, but Mongolian administration uses "kh" on passports.
 * A solution would be to use translations as main entries for all names with meaning: "Red-Hero" for "Ulaanbaatar", "Precious" for "Èrdènèt", "Blacksmith" for "Darhan" etc.. Advantages: more interesting, easy to memorise. Disadvantages: there will still be words to be transliterated; except in a few cases ("Peace avenue", "peace bridge", "South-Gobi", "Central province" etc.), this system is not widely used.
 * Another solution would be to use ISO 9. Advantages: international, unambiguous system (you can go back to Cyrillic with no hesitation). Disadvantages: the meaning is lost, some accented characters are not directly accessible from an English keyboard, a few Latin characters' pronunciation have to be far from their usual English pronunciation (specially "â" for "я", whose Mongolian pronunciations are "i" or "ya" read as by an English person).
 * Yet another solution, to use Mongolian administration system. Advantages: easy to write. Disadvantages: the meaning is lost, several Cyrillic letters are transliterated the same way, which doesn't enable going back to Cyrillic easily and might bring a few ambiguities.
 * Yet another one, to use Lonely Planet's system. Advantages: used by many travellers. Disadvantages: the meaning is lost, some accented characters are not directly accessible from an English keyboard, several Cyrillic letters are transliterated the same way, which doesn't enable going back to Cyrillic easily.
 * However, I think we need a strong decision, to avoid confusion, and we need redirections form the most common alternatives. I would prefer, as main entries, translations when possible, and ISO 9 when not.
 * --(WT-en) Henri de Solages 01:58, 2 January 2010 (EST)

 * Interesting, and nice to see an expert show up ;) Translations for names are allowed under our naming conventions only when they are more widely used by English speakers than the local name (e.g., Brussels, not Bruxelles or Brussel). ISO 9 to me looks like a system better designed for the precision required by academics than for a travel guide, where it's more important to have a more intuitive pronunciation for travelers. In my experience, official government translations tend to meet the latter criteria—could you provide a link to the administration system scheme?

 * I wouldn't worry too much about the lack of precision in transliteration from Cyrillic, since this should be made clear at the top of each relevant article with the format required by Project:Foreign words, e.g., "Khovd (Mongolian: Ховд)." --(WT-en) Peter Talk 11:05, 2 January 2010 (EST)

 * I suspect the problem is broader than just Mongolian. For example, the "Kh" in Persian "Ayatollah Khomeni" is a velar fricative and there's a town on the Silk Road, quite a ways from Mongolia though perhaps near enough to have been influenced, called Hotan or Khotan. I'd therefore be inclined to use "kh", since it is used to represent that fricative when it turns up in other languages.

 * Incidentally, the "gh" that turns up in English spellings and has many different pronunciations represents a velar fricative that was in Old English but fell out of the language a few centuries back, and using "ph" for an "f" sound is another case where adding "h" is used to indicate a fricative. "kh" fits right in with those.

 * That said, I don't know Mongolian language or conditions at all, so I'm quite willing to be overruled by those that do. (WT-en) Pashley 12:02, 2 January 2010 (EST)

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Chinese people
In view of this edit, what if you're Chinese or a citizen of some other country but of Chinese descent? Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:56, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Is this true?
"most Mongolian citizens desire the separation of Inner Mongolia from China and its unification with independent Mongolia"

Is this true? I think we need to see some evidence from a credible source before Wikivoyage makes such a bold statement. Is there public opinion polling that backs this up? I think we need more than hearsay to support this. Ground Zero (talk) 20:51, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Inner Mongolian independence movement doesn't seem to say so, and I haven't heard anything like this. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:38, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * There is also a questionable added text, which claims that most Mongolians identify as Central Asians rather than East Asians. A reference must be given here to maintain a level of objectivity so readers can be well-informed. If a solid reference cannot be provided for the edits to the Mongolia, East Asia, and Central Asia pages, then the questioned added texts should be removed. Datu Hulyo (talk) 04:24, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

 * It would likely be true if "most" were replaced by "some" and "Mongolian citizens" (which seems to imply citizens of Mongolia) with some clearer phrase, perhaps "residents of Inner Mongolia" (which I imagine is what was meant) or just "Mongols" if the feeling exists on both sides of the border.
 * I would say just delete it rather than trying to clarify. It has little to do with travel. Pashley (talk) 14:36, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Agreed. Any objections? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:25, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

 * I already deleted the latter sentence from here and from Central Asia. In East Asia Mx. Granger had already adjusted it. Perhaps we should still check the "sense of animosity towards China" and the recommendation to "if at all possible avoid speaking Mandarin in public". The latter sounds quite harsh to me, but I have no idea about the feelings in Mongolia. –LPfi (talk) 21:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with LPfi. Is there any evidence that those statements are true? Or are they just one contributor's conjecture? Ground Zero (talk) 00:25, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Most likely one contributor's conjecture. Datu Hulyo (talk) 02:24, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Generally proficient in English?
The last paragraph in talk seems to contradict the rest of the section:
 * "As a general rule of thumb, the average Mongolian is proficient in two (Mongolian and English) or three (Mongolian, Russian, and English) languages."

Critically: Isn't the group that is proficient in Mongolian and Russian, but not English, large? How long has English been taught in most schools?

–LPfi (talk) 06:44, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

 * I thought the same too. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 06:47, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Safe, although violence common?
We say that:
 * Mongolia is generally a safe country to visit.
 * Xenophobia and violence towards foreigners is common.
 * Many foreigners who go to bars and clubs at night report assault and general aggression.
 * Violent crime is also common outside the capital city (Darkhan especially) […] Generally, if walking past 22:00, avoid people if at all possible.
 * Someone who may genuinely just want to have a couple drinks with you may suddenly become aggressive regardless of your respect and polite actions.
 * There are small bands of Mongolian ultra-nationalist thugs that style themselves as neo-Nazis and have assaulted foreigners […] especially in the cheaper bars and nightclubs.

I think that "generally a safe country" should be reserved for countries where most travellers would indeed be able to feel at home security-wise, and would need no unfamiliar security measures other than when doing unfamiliar things (extreme sports or hiking in cold environments or backcountry without previous experience etc.)

I now amended the text somewhat, but please check that the Stay safe seems reasonable, as I don't know the country.

–LPfi (talk) 08:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

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Personal content moved from guide. You are invited to contribute personal stories to. Thanks! (WT-en) Maj

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Talk:Monkey Forest Resort

To me this sounds like it should be merged into Kakum National Park? (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:08, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Monmouth County

Does this article need moving to Monmouth County ??

Divide into subregions?
There are so many cities listed. If all of them really merit articles per What is an article, we really should subdivide this county into subregion articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:50, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Mono Lake

Research links

 * http://www.monolake.org

Mono Lake

 * Delete. Body of water, not a destination. --(WT-en) SHC 19:19, 7 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. This is the common name for the region, and the lake is a destination unto itself.  The destination is comparable to a National Park including a variety of activities and things to see that exceed some many actual National Parks. -- (WT-en) Colin 19:30, 7 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Agree with Colin - Mono Lake is the name commonly used for the region that includes the lake, located near Yosemite's east entrance.  It's a very common recreation area for Californians, similar to Lake Tahoe. -- (WT-en) Ryan 19:32, 7 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Clarification make sense, and expanding of the article into an outline helps. Consider this an about face. Keep. (WT-en) SHC 19:47, 7 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep. Large bodies of water can be travel destinations. I never did like the fact we could not do articles on bodies of water. There are some that would be an exception and not require a article due to being too large or too small, but I believe most fall in the same category as "Park articles". -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 16:25, 16 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Anyone mind if we end this one early and nix the vfd? I'm the originator of the vfd and I was unware that Mono Lake referred to the region rather than the body of water alone. As someone who sometimes plans trips to specific rivers and lakes, I think (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel)'s suggestion to reconsider the concensus on bodies of water is valuable for discussion. As always, we should avoid the extremes: an article on the Pacific Ocean would be as useless as an article about the pond down the street. (WT-en) SHC 18:02, 16 June 2006 (EDT)
 * I think the consensus on this is pretty clear (and I agree with it, despite not having chimed in above). I'll archive this tomorrow (the 10-day mark) and copy the discussion to the appropriate talk page. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:05, 16 June 2006 (EDT)
 * There seems to be a consensus to keep, so I don't think anyone will complain if this is kept - it would be good to just change the policy to allow ending a VFD early if there is a consensus to keep, but that's a discussion for another place. As to bodies of water, Project:Bodies of water is pretty clear that a body of water that is a region is OK - the policy is there (I think) to prevent things like a "Lake Erie" article, which really isn't of any benefit to travelers.  Project:Bodies of water is the appropriate place for that discussion. -- (WT-en) Ryan 18:09, 16 June 2006 (EDT)

Merge?
Should this be merged (or vice versa) with Lee Vining, which largely serves as a bedroom for Mono Lake tourists? I'm new here, I don't have a strong opinion, but for the most part they feel like a single destination. (Perhaps Mono Lake should be the remaining primary title, however.) --Joe Decker (talk) 01:19, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

 * While I'm not strongly in favor of keeping them separate, it does make some sense to have two articles - it might be odd to include extensive information about the unique ecology and history of the lake in the Lee Vining article, or detailed information about Lee Vining shops in a Mono Lake article. As it is there is a nice split between the park / nature area and the town article.  My two cents, although as mentioned, I don't want to stand in the way if there is a strong desire to merge the two. -- Ryan • (talk) • 01:38, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

 * *Bump* Anyone else have any thoughts on this? The Mono Lake article has been on the site for a long time as a standalone article, and I think the separation makes sense. -- Ryan • (talk) • 06:55, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

 * I agree. I think we should remove the merge tag. There's quite enough separate information in both articles; furthermore, Lee Vining is described as "in California's Eastern Sierra wedged between Mono Lake and the Sierra Nevada mountains," and is not on the shore of the lake, although it's close: A quick look at a Google map shows a distance of about 3 miles. But in this case, that's far enough to change the ecology. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:23, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

 * Done, although if anyone disagrees please add the merge tag back so that the discussion can continue. -- Ryan • (talk) • 07:43, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Monroe (Michigan)

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Historic District/Village
Monroe has a historical district, if anyone would like to visit it (my parents would come to Tiffany's Pizza near the George Armstrong Custer Equestrian Monument on Sauturdays and now Fridays, there's another Tiffany's on Telegraph Road next to Blockbuster). – (WT-en) CurvyEthyl 18:46, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

 * UPDATE: A lot has changed ever since I came across a lot of facts (which seemed far to immense for my own sense of wartime-gears, apparently). Despite this, at least I lifted so much weight on both my sholders and the sholders of my family relations (possibly to the point where I seem far too resourceful, at least according to the lunar phases as told in any calendar or time-zone). --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 23:49, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

L.D.S. Jazz Intel
Since this jazz composer is no stranger to temple reccomends, meh, why never listen to his music, anyway? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 07:02, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

 * A New Jersian Composers Society. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 07:04, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

"Foundation laid for James Monroe statue"
Read all about it for more details. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 17:25, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Monroe County (Michigan)

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Help Wanted
I'll take this travel guide as some sort of playground, but anyone, user or visitor, can help me by giving me information about this county. Thank you. – (WT-en) CurvyEthyl 20:07, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Monrovia

Monrovia

 * Started new article for Monrovia (Liberia) and so moved original Monrovia page to Monrovia (Los_Angeles_County) - both articles are listed on Monrovia (disambiguation) (WT-en) WindHorse 21 July 06
 * Redirect to Monrovia (disambiguation)?
 * If neither of the city articles is called "Monrovia" (which is the usual way to handle something like this) then Monrovia should be the disambiguation page for them. Monrovia (disambiguation) is not needed, but is harmless if it's redirected to Monrovia. This isn't really a keep/delete question, but the best name. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 11:39, 21 July 2006 (EDT)
 * There are two issues - Monrovia (Los Angeles County) should be Monrovia (California) since US cities use the state as the disambiguator. Monrovia (Liberia) should be Monrovia since it's a country's capital and as a resident of LA I've not heard of the other city, so I think it meets the "most famous" rule.  If no one objects I'll fix this up and then remove the VFD. -- (WT-en) Ryan 12:46, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

Warning box
Doesn't anyone else think that the warning on this page, essentially saying that Liberia is completely unsuitable to tourists is a bit over the top? This is a travelwiki, and dismissing an entire nation as unsuitable is ridiculous. —The preceding comment was added by 81.104.46.239 (talk • contribs)

 * Warning boxes tend to be applied fairly indiscriminately. If there are specific government travel warnings for Liberia I'd suggest replacing the current box with Template:TravelAlert. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 02:13, 24 July 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Mons

can anyone still edit this page? I keep running into the spam filter. All I want to change is the main link to since it's clearly wrong and update the airports section (WT-en) stef.van.dessel 17:12, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

 * The offending link has been removed, so you can edit this page now. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:43, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

 * thx!! I was looking for other links by searching for http:, and that link didn't have it (WT-en) stef.van.dessel 03:55, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Montana

Comments
I'm really new here -- just editing what I know and what I can at a time, adding links, etc. as I go. If i'm doing anything wrong or you have suggestions, please let me know... (WT-en) lyssstwrt 10:12, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

 * I've been watching this article, and you're doing great so far. Nice work! -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:34, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

Regions
Should we create the regions that are currently still red links? They are based on the state website... are those super common names for those divisions, or should we do a simpler northwest, southcentral, etc? Those 6 divisions do look reasonable, but what should we name them? – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 14:46, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

 * The names are hardly super common, at least compared to the typical two-part division of Western and Eastern (and it's weird to consider Bozeman as "Yellowstone") - but the actual geography seems like a reasonable starting point. I'd say use them with directional names, possibly lumping the two eastern regions into a single "Eastern Montana" article, and mention the flowery names in the article intros so the search engines can still get at it.  – (WT-en) Dguillaime 17:22, 5 February 2009 (EST)

ToC banner
That is one very fun banner ;) --Peter Talk 19:08, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Names of the Montana regions
In the official State touristic website, the regions inside Montana are called in this way in the second page of the Italian, German and French guides:
 * Glacier region
 * Central Montana
 * Missouri river region
 * Southwest Montana
 * Yellostone region
 * Southeast Montana

while in at page 23 of this English guide:
 * Glacier Country
 * Central Montana
 * Missouri river Country
 * Southwest Montana
 * Yellostone Country
 * Southeast Montana

So why in this article are called in a different way? Respectively: -- Andyrom75 (talk) 17:30, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Glacier Country
 * Russell Country
 * Missouri River Country
 * Gold West Country
 * Yellowstone Country
 * Custer Country

 * There is no need for WV to follow any body else's subdivisions or the names thereof. Sometimes we don't subdivide at all were administrative subdivisions exist, as those are of no concern to visitors... In fact some of the subdivisions may be pushing it already, as they don't seem to contain all that much of interest, which should be the main focus --Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:40, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't know if you have got the time to open the above mentioned pdf, but the areas are IDENTICAL to the one in Wikivoyge, but in Wikivoyage has been changed their names. Furthermore those divisions are not the administrative ones, but the official touristic ones. -- Andyrom75 (talk) 20:10, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Even if that is the case, we are still not bound by it. It may have been done for SEO reasons for all I know. WV can and in fact does call regions by any word it wants on a quite regular basis. In fact often when it doesn't we get stuff like Eastern County X Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:54, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Please be serious... There's no SEO nor logic reason to change the official name of a territory; on Wikivoyage we create a new name only when doesn't exist an official one, linked to the defined area. If in a guide I would find that they have changed the name of "Chianti" with "Wine region" I wouldn't think that they are "creative" but just ignorant. -- Andyrom75 (talk) 05:38, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Tourism board names aren't official - they change frequently - so based on the discussion above my guess is that the existing regions were probably created with names that were in use in by the State of Montana Tourism Department in 2008.  The second group of names above seem clearer to me than what we're currently using in the Montana article, so I wouldn't oppose a change if there is a desire to make one.  -- Ryan • (talk) • 05:45, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ryan, let me better define what I meant with "official". I'm not saying that they are static forever, also a country can change the name (e.g. Belgian Congo->Democratic Republic of the Congo, Siam->Thailand, etc.). What I said is that if there's an office, entitled to name a touristic division of a territory, that office is the official tourism association of that territory; not a fan club, not a magazine, not a travel guide. On the other hand, each one of them can divide the territory in many different ways chosing the names that they want. What is wrong for me in this article is picking the "official" division changing their names.
 * Your guess about name change form 2008 makes sense (although I have no evidence, but it's not so important right now). I would suggest to redirect the current name into the "official" ones, correcting also all the affected breadcrumbs. -- Andyrom75 (talk) 13:15, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

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Region names - revisit
The region names for Montana have officially been changed for many years now. There are guidebooks and websites using these names directly from the state government. You will find nothing searching for the names previously used. I know it's a pain to change the existing categories and page names, but I also think it is worthwhile and adds accuracy to this page and the categories. The current names are found at visitmt.com, the Montana Office of Tourism official site. There is also a map at [https://brand.mt.gov/Programs/Office-Of-Tourism/Tourism-Regions-and-CVBs#:~:text=The%20State%20of%20Montana%20is,Southwest%20Montana%2C%20and%20Yellowstone%20Country. brand.mt.gov]. The current regions are: Please consider changing these 3 regions. Thanks Tbennert (talk) 21:59, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Central Montana (previously Russell Country)
 * Glacier Country
 * Missouri River Country
 * Southeast Montana (previously Custer Country)
 * Southwest Montana (previously Gold West Country)
 * Yellowstone Country

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Talk:Monte Carlo

Does it make any sense to separate this from Monaco? The whole country is 1.95 sq.km. in size and Monte Carlo is just a headland with a casino. I'd suggest using the Singapore model and sticking to a single article unless it someday becomes so big it has to be districted (as a city). (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:06, 2 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Good idea. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 10:12, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

 * In the words of Jani: Bump. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 18:35, 14 January 2007 (EST)

 * Bumpity-bump. Barring loud noises to the contrary, I'll plunge forward and merge this. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:06, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Montego Bay

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please don't change info on this page its for a class

I added alot of info please don't erase it!!!

 * Yipes! What's with all the italics?? Won't you be graded on how well your edits follow the Project:Manual of style?

 * I erased it because it is all text copied from other websites, which is a copyright violation that is not allowed here. Please don't add that stuff a third time because it will continually be erased. Also you (anonymous) keep changing the section headers and we keep changing them back because those are standardized across all articles in Wikivoyage. (WT-en) Texugo 00:17, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

Americans need to be careful.
Is there any specific reason why Americans, and not, say, Swedes or Australians, need to be "especially" careful in Montego Bay?

I removed that remark until it's substantiated. As an American who has lived in Montego Bay, I don't understand why that comment was added. --(WT-en) Walther8 02:39, 1 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Montenegro

Independence
I believe all the necessary changes have been made to reflect Montenegrin independence: For the record, I left the S&M team identity for World Cup 2006 since that's technically whom they represent. There will likely be some follow-up changes dealing with immigration policies, internet TLD, maybe calling code, etc. They already use the Euro, so the currency issue is already settled. This article itself could still use some work, however. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 13:09, 4 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Add the necessary nation-state bits to Montenegro.
 * Add Montenegro to Mediterranean Europe, Europe, etc.
 * Change Montenegro's IsIn.
 * Delete the existing redirect at Serbia and move the Serbia and Montenegro page there.
 * Remove any Montenegrin content from Serbia (including recoloring the CIA map).
 * Check "What links here" for Serbia and Montenegro and change the links to "Serbia", "Montenegro", or "Serbia and Montenegro", as appropriate.
 * Update the IsIn for Montenegro's subarticles (which might not all be region-specific).

Land mines in Montenegro?? Is this correct? They were not involved in the Balkans wars. In October 1992, I visited Budva and went hiking (including off the trail) on the mountain overlooking the town (whose name I forget).

Stay safe
Hi people, a part of the article is at least ridicules :) – ‘land mines in Montenegro’ :)

Maybe you can review this, I can suggest something like this - “Montenegro is generally a safe country. There is, as well as other countries, an amount of criminal activities, but police forces are pretty fast in there duties. The number is 92, as well as international distress call 112.” -- OutLook

intra-country buses run on schedule
Get around > By bus now reads:

Buses are frequent, safe and on schedule.

I have traveled frequently during a week in June 2008 from Petrovac to several destinations, and seen it most of the time that 15 to 30 min delay is common. For now I changed wording to "more or less on schedule", but we'd better find a less vague wording. What routes / types of buses were originally meant here in "Buses are ... on schedule" ? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:32, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

smoking in intra-country buses
Get around > By bus now reads:

In addition, it is common for people to smoke on a crowded bus.

We frequently saw that drivers smoke heavily on bus--but never seen that passengers do. Was it originally meant that drivers smoke, or also passengers? If the latter, at what routers passengers can be seen as smoking (or allowed to)? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:32, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

Basic Words
I'm from Montenegro and i know the Basic Words are incorect writen!

Big mistake!!!

People do however distinguish between the Serbian and Montenegrin ethnicity, Serbs forming a majority???? In 2003 census Montenegrins are majoroty 45 percent.. Serbs 32 percent of the population.

Regions
As Montenegro has a lot of destinations and no regions, I suggest the following scheme:

 * Northern Mountains — region entirely situated within the Dinaric Alps, famous for its untouched wild nature. A must is the Tara River Canyon in Durmitor National Park.
 * Central Montenegro — region with the state capital Podgorica, the historical capital Cetinje and the industrial center Nikšić.
 * Bay of Kotor — considered one of the most beautiful bays of Europe, with the UNESCO World Heritage Sites of Perast and Kotor.
 * Budva Riviera — the main tourist drag with nice beaches, historic villages and rough nightlife
 * South Coast — centered around Bar and Ulcinj, up to the natural beauty of Lake Skadar.

These could be the lowest level regions of the country immediately. I'm still figuring about the names though. South Coast, should we call that Montenegrin South Coast or Montenegro South Coast? Or maybe a completely different name, I've seen Bar-Ulcinj somewhere, but I don't think its that nice. Bar Riviera-Ulcinj Riviera could be, but again, not that nice (and maybe that would exclude the Skadar Lake). And the Northern Mountains, maybe we should change that into North Montenegrin Mountains or North Montenegro Mountains? --(WT-en) globe-trotter 18:19, 15 March 2010 (EDT)

 * Whatever breakdown we choose, it's absolutely great Montenegro finally got attention of a regular contributor and editor! ;-)

 * BTW, maybe you could also help on whether Skadar lake should have its own article (or where to stick info on it otherwise)? Project:Bodies of water and Project:Bodies of water --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 15:56, 16 March 2010 (EDT)

 * Lake Skadar is a hard call as it is at the border of the Southern Coast and Central Montenegro, but as it doesnt include any coastal activity, I think it fits best in Central Montenegro (which also boasts Lovćen National Park). I think it could have its own article, Lake Skadar National Park as it is one of the four national parks of the country. That would not cover the body of water, but the national park surrounding it. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 16:29, 16 March 2010 (EDT)

 * In case we have an article for national park surrounding the lake--will it also cover all info on what's on the lake itself (i.e. islands; attractions on the lake's coasts etc)? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:36, 16 March 2010 (EDT)

 * Lake Skadar doesn't have many islands, but yes they would fall under it as well :) --(WT-en) globe-trotter 16:46, 16 March 2010 (EDT)

 * OK, so here the map and the corresponding regions. Comments please before I implement it :) --(WT-en) globe-trotter 15:21, 28 March 2010 (EDT)

Cities list
There are ten of them, when there should be a maximum of nine. Which one shall we remove? Having been to Montenegro just once, m̶y̶ ̶v̶o̶t̶e̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶e̶i̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶U̶l̶c̶i̶n̶j̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶Ž̶a̶b̶j̶a̶k̶. The others definitely all deserve a place on the national list. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:15, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Or actually Herceg Novi. It's very close to both Tivat and Kotor, but not as significant as a travel destination, and the article is only an outline, contrary to the aforementioned Ulcinj and Žabjak. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:18, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Monterey

Most famous
Does Monterey (California) meet the "most famous" rule? I'm from near there, so I don't know if my familiarity with it is simply due to it being a nearby city or whether it really is that famous. -- (WT-en) Ryan 17:44, 29 March 2006 (EST)

 * I would say that the Californian Monterey is the most famous among the many. (WT-en) WindHorse 30 March 06

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Talk:Monterey (California)

Is there another Monterey that we need to disambiguate from? Monterrey in Mexico has 2 r's, if I'm not mistaken. --(WT-en) Evan 14:36, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

What's wrong with Highway 17? I'd avoid it during rush hour, but at other times it's a fun rally-car style experience. I drove it every day to high school.

 * Feel free to upgrade the description from my hyper-conservative viewpoint. If you can add appropriate language to give people the ability to choose the route based on their tastes, so much the better. -- (WT-en) Colin 22:51, 29 May 2006 (EDT)
 * I commuted over 17 every day for a summer when I was at USCS with a summer gig in San Jose (writing for the Metro). I had no trouble at all until my very last day of work when a semi went all sideways and rolled over a couple of cars behind me-- I drove back that the long way that evening. That said, I think the warning could be toned down a wee bit. Maybe mention that it is not for the faint of heart, 'specially in bad weather... but n-thousands of folks do manage it on a daily basis... (WT-en) Majnoona 23:53, 29 May 2006 (EDT)

Updating the page
OK, just back from my vacation to Monterey, California. I am not sure what route these pages take on certain aspects, but some warnings may need to be made about travel for a short while for Highway 1. Perhaps a template advising road construction in the appropriate pages. This page may not be the right one, but perhaps Carmel or Big Sur. Anyway, I have some greatly improved, current and larger image files to upload to commons for use here.--Amadscientist (talk) 02:15, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

 * If the construction is going to be ongoing for some time then a note on the relevant city article pages would make sense, but if it's temporary or just the normal maintenance that goes on with the Pacific Coast Highway occasionally falling into the ocean the handling it within the normal article prose might be a better solution. -- Ryan • (talk) • 05:49, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Yellow pages
Sleep looks like the yellow pages as there are almost 20 hotels without any description at all (BTW not bad for a town of 28,000). I'll move those to this talk page in a couple of days if nobody objects. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:46, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd support that, unless anyone adds descriptions to those listings in the interim. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:08, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ ϒpsilon (talk) 20:56, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Accommodation lacking description
Moved here per the thread above. If you can add a description to any of them, please do, and after that you can move it back to the article. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:56, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Monterey Bay

This page was moved because the original spelling of "Monterey" was incorrect. -- (WT-en) Evan 13:38, 6 Nov 2003 (PST)

Vote for Deletion discussion

 * Delete. The Central Coast (California) region is principally subdivided by county. The Monterey Bay article is a hybrid that stretches across Santa Cruz County and the northern part of Monterey County. Anything about Monterey Bay can be covered just as well by the two county articles, and I see no good reason to duplicate it in a Monterey Bay article. The article just clutters the otherwise tidy subdivision of the Central Coast. (WT-en) Nurg 23:17, 7 January 2012 (EST)
 * And what do you propose we show someone who searches for "Monterey Bay"? (WT-en) LtPowers 15:22, 8 January 2012 (EST)
 * Good point. Ryan's idea is better - make it a redirect. (WT-en) Nurg 04:36, 11 January 2012 (EST)
 * Definitely not a delete - this could conceivably become a redirect, but I think a disambiguation page would make more sense. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:13, 8 January 2012 (EST)
 * It is probably another candidate for (WT-en) Texugo's meta-region article --(WT-en) Inas 19:04, 8 January 2012 (EST)
 * Yes, yet another. Keep (WT-en) Pashley 07:39, 29 January 2012 (EST)

 * So is the consensus that this is going to be Merged into Monterey County and Santa Cruz County and then and redirected? I would support that. It looks pretty close but I'd guess that the greater part of the bay lies in Monterey County, so the redirect should point there.(WT-en) Travelpleb 23:38, 18 April 2012 (EDT)
 * Any further comment? I think a disambiguation page makes the most sense since this is a likely search term and there isn't an obvious redirect target, but further comment would be useful. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:59, 22 April 2012 (EDT)
 * It'd be nice to have something a little more detailed than a bare disambiguation page. After all, "Monterey Bay" is not ambiguous; it's just not in our hierarchy.  Call it a "meta-region article" or whatever you want, but a brief discussion of the bay and its surroundings and maybe a map would best serve our readers.  (WT-en) LtPowers 13:58, 22 April 2012 (EDT)
 * Yes. (WT-en) Pashley 21:30, 22 April 2012 (EDT)
 * I should have clarified that I meant "meta-disambiguation" (or whatever we're calling it) rather than just a standard disambiguation page - something similar to Knowledge Corridor. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:35, 22 April 2012 (EDT)
 * Looks good. Let's do that.(WT-en) Travelpleb 02:07, 24 April 2012 (EDT)
 * Outcome I've made the page resemble Knowledge Corridor and copied this discussion to its talk page. Is that everything?(WT-en) Travelpleb 00:29, 25 April 2012 (EDT)

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Talk:Monte Rosa

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Comments
I undid a redirect to Zermatt because this article is an Italian region, not a Swiss one. Before redirecting again the logic of such a change needs to be explained. - (WT-en) Huttite 09:38, 29 December 2009 (EST)

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Talk:Monterosa Ski

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Comments
This page was created with the misleading comment that it came from Monte Rosa. Rather it is the Monte Rosa article under another name. Either the original article should be moved to have this name or the Ski area should be an attraction of Monte Rosa. - (WT-en) Huttite 09:36, 29 December 2009 (EST)

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Talk:Monterrey

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Added in 2010
I am a local, ive been living in this city forever and i know it pretty well. I strongly support Kudos idea to combine the central zones to "Monterrey". We NEVER refer to each zone by Zona Rosa, Garden District (no idea waht this is), etc. And use the names for each zone.

I have no idea how to change things in this article, but for instance, the activities at Río Santa Catarina are no longer available (due to the Tropical Storm "Alex").

The Club Havana is now called Queen, and you are missing some of the best clubs and bars in San Pedro: George, Pepper, Sky Bar of Hotel Habita, Riviera and the Bar of Kitchoan.

The mall- Paseo San Pedro, and Plazas- Plaza Tanarah, Plaza O Dos Vasconcelos and Plaza 401 (beautiful black plaza with 7 restaurants in the third floor, this is the place to go right now if you dont feel like clubbig but you still want to go out for drinks and/or dinner).

Delicious and chic restaurants like Oriental Fusion-Kyo, Chino Latino, Kitchöan, Señor Tanaka. All- Bardot, El Diego, Neuquen. Italian- Silvano's, Francesos, Il Capriccio. Seafood- El Muelle, El Cabo Grill, El Pacífica.

The best Mexican-Nice (Very good mexican food, wide selection "not only "Carne Asada", very nice place) Restaurants: La Felix, La Escondida, La Valentina, La Nacional, La Lupe and La Catarina.

Museums- Marco, Museo de Historia Mexicana. And to visit along the Macroplaza, the Río Santa Lucía (a must for every tourist is the ride in the Santa Lucía River, small boats transport you to and from the Museo de Historia and Parque Fundidora. The ride is beautiful and there are other boats in the river full of a music group singing mexican songs.) and Parque Fundidora.

Districts
Kudos to (WT-en) Texugo for districtifying this article. There really is much too much going on in Monterrey to try tackling everything in a single city article. Some division was really called for. I'm a little troubled though by the complexity of this scheme. I think there's too many zones and some of them strike me as particularly artificial. I like better the map I see in the corresponding wikipedia article. I have three suggestions for districtifying the Monterrey article, ranked in order of importance:

 * I strongly urge combining the central Monterrey zones into a single chunk called "Centro", "Downtown", or simply "Monterrey". This is how it appears in the wikipedia map, and I think it's more natural and more in line with how a visitor views the city. That would mean combining what's now Zona Rosa, Garden District, North Central, and Northwest into one zone.

 * I suggest keeping the zones as is for San Nicolas de los Garza, Apodaca, Escobedo, San Pedro Garza Garcia, and Santa Catarina, though may consider revising the scope definitions of each.

 * I somewhat suggest considering adding Santiago, Garcia, and Juarez, although content will most likely be very light in all of them. (I'm unconvinced that Salinas Victoria should be part of the Monterrey discussion and don't suggest adding that, though am happy to be convinced by others who know the city better than I.)

It might be easier to simply use the wikipedia map as is.

Thoughts? -- (WT-en) Mrkstvns 10:25, 25 April 2008 (CDT)

 * I fully understand your first point, and I also considered trying to keep the central district in one article, BUT there are just too many things there, so I divided it up into three section to prevent having ginormous lists in our see, eat and sleep sections. I can however envision combining northwest and north central together. As for San Nicolas de los Garza, Apodaca, Escobedo, San Pedro Garza Garcia, and Santa Catarina, I just used the official city limits as boundaries. For the third point, I am completely at a loss.(WT-en) Texugo 00:43, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

-- Five years later, I'm still bewildered at the way this article was "districtified". I see three major problems here: 1) There are too many divisions, 2) "districts" bear no relationship to the way locals, local government, and local media refer to parts of the city, 3) all but 2 or 3 of the districts are of little or no interest to 99% of readers.

As I look at the problem with a fresh perspective, I would propose using only 5 meaningful "districts", and doing them in order of importance to a traveler:
 * Centro   -  (to include everything currently labeled as Zona Rosa and Garden District)
 * El Valle -  (to include everything currently labeled as San Nicolas or San Pedro Garza Garcia)
 * City of Monterrey - (to include all of the incorporated city other than El Centro, such as those currently labeled Northwest, South, and North Central)
 * Guadalupe - (to include only the incorporated municipality of Guadalupe)
 * Outlying Municipalities - (to include Apodaca, Escobedo, Santa Catarina, Anahuac, and possibly others)

Thoughts? -- (WT-en) Mrkstvns 12:15, 15 February 2013 (CST)
 * I just redistricted the article, based on the consensus of comments here plus myself, using a division similar to that of Mrkstvns. Ar2332 (talk) 18:49, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

 * HUGE kudos to Ar2332!! The districts now make a lot more sense than the ones that were here for so long.  I see a couple of odd things that got moved into the wrong districts, but I'll move 'em as they bug me.  Thanks again....I know that redistrictifying is a huge job! Mrkstvns (talk) 23:41, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I've adjusted the definition of "Centro" to say that the eastern bound is Churubusco instead of Felix U. Gomez. I think this more closely aligns with how the Colonia is defined locally and it makes the Eastern Suburb border closer to the demarcation between Monterrey and San Nicolas. Does this offend anyone? Not jibe with how you see the city? Comments? Mrkstvns (talk) 18:19, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Banner
I have traveled to Monterrey before and there are many different sites that can be used for a banner. The current one does not identify the reason the city is an established touristic destination: the Cerro de la Silla mountains. De88 (talk) 20:15, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

the reason the city is an established touristic destination are the Cerro de la Silla mountains?

Is Mty a touristy destination? The main reason for the tourism are the Cerro de la Silla mountains? Why? It's just a mountain. Mty has more nice things to offer. Flightnavigator (talk) 04:17, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

 * If you believe something should be changed, please go ahead and change it. This doesn't seem like the kind of change that would be likely for someone to revert, so plunge forward. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:10, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * There are some other sites that could represent Monterrey well (The old furnace smokestacks at Parque Fundidora?), but there are likely NONE that are as iconic as Cerro de la Silla. To a person from Monterrey, the Cerro de la Silla is like the Arch in St. Louis or the Eiffel Tower in Paris.  It simply *IS* an instantly recognized icon that can stand for the whole city. Mrkstvns (talk) 23:52, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article?
I created a new alternative banner for this article (I initially created it first and foremost so that it would be used at the top of the parallel article in the Hebrew edition of Wikivoyage, yet I later decided to also suggest that the English Wikivoyage community would consider using it here as well). So, which banner do you prefer having at the top of this article? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 08:28, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I vote for the picturesque alternative. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:43, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Much nicer alternative. -- WOSlinker (talk) 11:24, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * New one looks better. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 12:00, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Definitely the suggested banner. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 14:11, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree, the alternative is much better. —Granger (talk · contribs) 15:12, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * IMO this is one of the easiest, if not the easiest, of the 17 choices that were suggested. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 16:11, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:15, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The chosen banner is lame. It's just a landscape with some skyscrapers. Could just as easily be Vegas. A banner that identifies with local traditions or history is more powerful than any landscape can hope to be. We should be able to find something FAR better than this. Mrkstvns (talk) 19:24, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Did you just volunteer to find something? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:15, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Monterrey districts
As it stands now, none of the articles on districts for the Mexican city of Monterrey are particularly overflowing with content. If I understand the municipal boundaries correctly, only Monterrey/Centro and Monterrey/Outer Monterrey are technically "actually Monterrey", but then we don't have to slavishly follow administrative boundaries. So, what do you think? Hobbitschuster (talk) 06:30, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

 * I've been reviewing the district articles and moving stuff into them and all now have at least enough to be considered "usable" with "centro" having enough that it might be considered "guide" (though it could still use a bit of polish). Take a look and see if you still think there are gaps. Mrkstvns (talk) 19:18, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Buy section
I'd like to clean up the "Buy" section to make it more tightly focused on things of interest and value to a traveler. To that goal, I'd like to completely cut the ATM subsection and the Groceries subsection. I find them to be of dubious value but want to give y'all time to object if you disagree. Mrkstvns (talk) 00:16, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Monteverde and Santa Elena Cloud Forest Reserves

Doesn´t Extremo zip lines merit a mention? I went on it today and thoroughly enjoyed it. Has anyone done both extremo and Selvatura who can contribute?


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Talk:Montgomery County (Maryland)

Map

I don't think we really have any U.S. county maps to look to as an example for this one, so I'd love to hear feedback. The two things I already plan to do, are to make the roads stand out a bit more, and to decrease the size of that giant scale ;) I am also planning to create a second map, zooming in on the five or so inner suburbs in greater detail, with metro station and major street names.

My main question, though, is how to cover our content, in terms of merging some of these neighborhoods into one article, as I have done with Sandy Spring into Olney, and Chevy Chase into Friendship Heights. Perhaps we could cover Aspen Hill in the Wheaton article? How about Montgomery Village? Could we merge that into either Gaithersburg or Germantown (which would be better)? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:37, 18 March 2010 (EDT)

 * I'm also a bit tempted to merge Derwood into Gaithersburg—it's tiny, and right next to Shady Grove metro. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 01:20, 19 March 2010 (EDT)

 * For a long time, Montgomery Village mail was always addressed to Gaithersburg instead, and it still tucks up against that Gaithersburg commercial district right at the 270 exit. I'd merge it there before Germantown.
 * On the map, you seem to be using Michigan highway markers instead of Maryland...? -- (WT-en) D. Guillaime 01:46, 19 March 2010 (EDT)

 * Is it possible to label MD193 on the map? A lot of the Takoma Park/Wheaton food is there, and it's an entry point from places like College Park and Hyattsville. --(WT-en) Jonboy 10:53, 19 March 2010 (EDT)

 * Well, those Michigan route signs were a goofy mistake ;) I tried putting 193 on the map, but it then became really hard to see the road itself. All the more reason to finish that "Inner Montgomery County" map, which is going to look quite pretty.

 * This map clearly leaves a bunch of blank space, and that's because the areas currently unmarked are much less important to cover. But say we do want to cover them in the future—perhaps we could create bottom-level "regions" using the small city template, with no sub-destinations, into which we could put the occasional worthwhile listing? If we did this, I'd call the Silver Spring-ish area in the east "Colesville" and then break up the rest into North Montgomery County (which would include Damascus) and West Montgomery County.  --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:49, 21 March 2010 (EDT)
 * Aye, where's Poolesville? Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 13:05, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Sub-article status
Hmm, lets see if we can't push this one to a star... --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:42, 1 October 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Montgomery County (Pennsylvania)

List of townships
This long list of townships has to go-- by policy we really want to get down to no more than 9 on this page. Also, I think it's OK to rename the Cities section to "Townships" but we wouldn't have two separate sections for both. Can anyone knowledgeable of this area suggest an organizational scheme? (WT-en) Texugo 03:38, 5 March 2008 (EST)

Listings
Whoa! That's a lot of listings! Unfortunately, listings belong in city/town articles, not region articles, so it would be best to move these to the individual city articles. We do this for a number of reasons, but one that should be obvious when looking at this page is that region articles would simply get too crowded if we tried to put all the listings in the county on one page. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:53, 2 December 2008 (EST)
 * 13 years later, I've picked up the baton and started moving listings to city/town articles. I have deleted several duplicate lustings. I have corrected miscategorized listings (parks listed as "See", museums as "Do", stores as "See" or "Do". I have deleted some listings that do not belong in a travel article (e.g., a prep school). And I moved one listingbto a neighboring county.
 * As I don't know the area, it is likely that I have moved a few listings to the wrong article. Please forgive me.
 * In many cases, I have moved listings to the nearest town. We aren't going to have articles on every hamlet and township, because we'll end up with a bunch of articles with nothing but a single listing.
 * I have created a few new articles to put listings in logical places.
 * I have proposed to merge Eagleville into the new Audubon (Pennsylvania) article. Ground Zero (talk) 23:15, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Monticello

According to the wikipedia page, there are actually a load of these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monticello_%28disambiguation%29

--(WT-en) justfred 19:18, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

Thanks, OldPine.--(WT-en) justfred 19:51, 16 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Anytime, Fred. I just love that word. Disambiguate. It just rolls off the tongue somehow. Anyhow, good catch. (WT-en) OldPine 21:40, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Monticello (Illinois)

Feedback
This article is apparently being updated as a high school project, which is great, but the process would be much easier if it was more collaborative. Some concerns that have been raised by myself and other Wikivoyage editors thus far:

 * One of the specific non-goals of the site is to NOT be a yellow pages, so listing every restaurant in town is unnecessary. Having just a few listings with descriptions makes for a far better guide.  Additionally, following the standard format helps make the guide more readable.
 * Several of the images now in the article appear to be copyright violations and have been listed for deletion on Wikivoyage shared.
 * Wikivoyage uses standard section headings, so this article should follow those headings.

The edits to this article are much appreciated, but this article would improve more quickly if the students making these edits read the Wikivoyage guidelines outlined so that we can all focus on getting content in this article rather than worrying about formatting and layout. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:31, 3 November 2009 (EST)

 * I re-wrote the content that was taken verbatim from Google maps - that content is copyright Google and not freely released, so it can't be used here. Turn-by-turn directions from the center of a city like Chicago to downtown Monticello are also unnecessarily detailed.  Last of all, links to Google maps are explicitly called out in Project:External links as something NOT to include in an article. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:46, 9 November 2009 (EST)

 * This article just seems to be a perfect candidate for soft security. The school project may actually improve the article in other ways if we let it run. Sure, lets offer to guide in the right direction, but otherwise lets just come back in a week or two, and fix it up.   --(WT-en) inas 20:40, 9 November 2009 (EST)

 * I was hoping that by using a 30 minute protection I could get the attention of the students working on this article - they've added several copyrighted images and some copyrighted text, amongst other issues - but if that fails and you or someone else will review this article in a week to remove any copyright violations and fix any formatting issues then I'm fine with that. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:46, 9 November 2009 (EST)

I am part of the project, and we will be done in a few weeks. But I do appreciate your help.

As for the pictures, they are ALL pictures that WE have taken. I do not mind choosing other ones, but can you please tell me what is wrong with them and how they are copyright violations? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Ariel Lickton (talk • contribs)

 * There are two issues with the images that have been uploaded: #1 is that despite the very large warning message on the English Wikivoyage upload page, images are still being uploaded here. #2 is that the images that were uploaded to Wikivoyage shared (the correct image repository) have no license or copyright information, despite very clear instructions on that page about how to add such information, making them invalid for use here.  It is illegal to use copyrighted material without a license, so we are very, very vigilant about making sure that copyright law is followed. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:16, 18 November 2009 (EST)

but, how do we copywright our pictures?? We took them on our cameras, they are OUR photos? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Ariel Lickton (talk • contribs) That said, there are some of your files that are not okay. These files are the ones that show someone else's creative work, like the image of the Abraham Lincoln sign. Someone else wrote the text on that sign, not you, so you can't just take a picture of it and put it up on WikiTravel. Please, if any of this is not clear, let someone know, and we'll try to explain it better. -- (WT-en) LtPowers 15:00, 18 November 2009 (EST)
 * I do understand that I need to upload them through WikiShared, but when I do that, you still take them down, so I put them up any way I could. I will make sure we only use the WikiShared page from now on.
 * Most of the pictures are fine. What you need to do is, when you go to wts:Special:Upload, underneath the "Upload File" button is a bunch of links.  Click the one labeled " images: " (it looks like this:  )  That will insert a template into the description page for the image.  You can then fill that template out so you can tell us who took the image, where it was taken, and when it was taken.  You also need to choose a license from the drop-down list that says "Licensing: None selected".  And we would have loved to tell you all about this if you had only asked.  We tried to contact you several times but you kept uploading files instead of talking to us.

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Talk:Montpelier

Move to Montpelier (Vermont)
I think most people will - regardless of spelling - think of the place in France. Should we move accordingly and redirect the undisambiguated term to the disambig? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:19, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

 * No. In fact, the disambiguation page should be deleted, as the only links on it that aren't red are this page and the French city with the extra L in its name. A disambiguator at the top that says For the city in France, see Montpellier should suffice. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:32, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Montpellier

Lodging info
Does anyone know where the best places to stay are in Montpellier? I live here so I don't have much info about hotels.

Alternative banner for this article?
In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:04, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

 * I like both banners. The current one may be a more unusual image, though. I'd like to hear more views, especially but not only from people who know the city well. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:14, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

 * I rather prefer the new one in this case, perhaps because the other one has an odd look, as if it might be a montage of separate images. Texugo (talk) 02:20, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I like both. No particular preference. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 20:11, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

No understand section
Could it be spun off from the lede? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:55, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

title: Talk:Montpellier