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Talk:Previous Destinations of the month

Format
Any comments on the graphical format? Should the calendar run in reverse so the latest destination is up top? One thing I'd like to fix is the excess whitespace to the left of each thumb... (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:08, 16 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * Looks good. (WT-en) Professorbiscuit 10:03, 16 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * I like it. -- (WT-en) Colin 12:23, 16 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * One more thing I don't like is that a new user is likely to click on the picture to get to the article, but will just get a big picture instead. Any way to edit where a thumbnail links to? (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:15, 18 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * Tweaked the formatting a little more, but for the life of me I can't get Kathmandu's picture to align center or right -- it's firmly fixed to the left side, ignoring the align=center directive (while valign=top works just fine). Sigh. (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:15, 16 Nov 2004 (EST)

Figured it out! This does the trick:

Not exactly intuitive, but at least it works... (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:20, 15 Dec 2004 (EST)
 * valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Paris-eiffel-tower.jpg|thumb|none|120px|caption]]

You should really change it so the most recent is at the top, it's more intuitive that way IMO. -- 193.24.32.39 04:49, 26 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * Erm, I mean, within each year section. -- 193.24.32.36 04:50, 26 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * Done. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:40, 1 Feb 2005 (EST)

The left-to-right, bottom-to-top chronological order seems counterintuitive to me. Since the top/bottom direction is backwards, it would seem more natural for the left/right direction to be backwards as well. That is, if I skim the page in standard western reading order (left-to-right, top-to-bottom) I'd expect them to go in reverse chronological order, with the most recent item being in the top left corner. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 11:19, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

Namespace
Is this page at the correct namespace? Shouldn't it be on Wikivoyage: instead? --(WT-en) Rmx 21:10, 15 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * Depends on whether you think this is 'another way of seeing travel' (ie. a list of interesting places with good Wikivoyage articles) or just an administrative page. (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:47, 15 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * I agree that it could be seen as another way of seeing travel, but since Project:Destination of the Month candidates and Project:Previous collaborations of the week are already in the Wikivoyage namespace, it seems like it would also make sense to move this page to that namespace. I wouldn't cry if it stayed where it was, but for consistency sake it would seem to make sense. -- (WT-en) Ryan 15:56, 18 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * I agree, Wikivoyage: should be in front of it, so it matches with the other pages. The same goes for Previously Off the beaten path. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 19:37, 8 September 2011 (EDT)

 * I strongly disagree. The candidates page is in the Wikivoyage namespace because it's an internal process; this page is a travel topic that archives data from our main page.  Collaborations are also an internal process -- though that one could go either way since we do list the collaborations on the main page.  (WT-en) LtPowers 20:06, 8 September 2011 (EDT)

 * This is not a travel topic, it does not have the and  tags. I also don't see how this page could ever be developed as a usable, guide or star travel topic. Now this article has the name of a destination article. Project:Star articles is also on the frontpage, has a similar function and is in the Wikivoyage namespace. But well, never mind it, as it's not such an important discussion anyway. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 20:16, 8 September 2011 (EDT)

 * I think one could make a strong argument for Project:Star articles to move to mainspace as well. (WT-en) LtPowers 08:48, 9 September 2011 (EDT)

 * I think you need to make a case for having a different type of mainspace article then. As (WT-en) globe-trotter says, this isn't an travel article, travel topic, or itinerary.  Personally, I think this is way out of place in the main namespace.  Any travel site, guide, person, book can use our main namespace guides.  They contain travel specific info.  However, this is a list of Wikivoyage chosen articles, it is specific to the Wikivoyage site - so it doesn't belong in the main namespace.  Wikipedia doesn't place its "good articles" list in the main namespace.  --(WT-en) Inas 22:48, 16 November 2011 (EST)

 * I'm not saying it has to be, but I also don't see why it couldn't be a travel topic. Main Page is in mainspace but is specific to the Wikivoyage site, after all.  (WT-en) LtPowers 19:41, 17 November 2011 (EST)

 * Arguably, some of what is on the main page should be on the Project:Project page, which is somewhat neglected as a result. Still, two wrongs don't make a right, and the splash page is easier to justify as an exception.  --(WT-en) Inas 20:29, 17 November 2011 (EST)

 * Not being a destination, itinerary, phrasebook or travel topic, I still think this should move to the Wikivoyage namespace. --Globe-trotter (talk) 00:45, 19 September 2012 (CEST)

 * And I am still unconvinced. Not having the travel topic template doesn't mean it's not a valid travel topic.  LtPowers (talk) 23:07, 19 September 2012 (CEST)

 * This to me is and has always been a "meta" project page. I never understood why it would be considered anything else (an archive, a travel topic?). --Peter Talk 01:26, 20 September 2012 (CEST)

 * I agree that this is not a travel topic and belongs in the Project: namespace. DotM are part of a wiki process. While they do highlight travel content, it does so through short paragraphs and links so doesn't really offer up any real meat content anyway. Also, a travel topic is meant to cover one topic; this isn't a topic, more like a feature of the wiki. JamesA  >talk 08:18, 20 September 2012 (CEST)

 * Yet we link to these pages from the Main Page; it seems odd to me to send new visitors into project-space so easily. LtPowers (talk) 03:39, 21 September 2012 (CEST)

Adding descriptions
I am wondering why we omit the descriptions at this page. I think they are a good way of making the featured destinations more lively. They shouldn't be too hard to add, as we have already used descriptions when the items were featured at the frontpage. The only thing is that we must make some changes to the design of this page. I'd like to hear more opinions about this. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 18:40, 14 September 2011 (EDT)
 * It's already pretty long. I kinda like the gallery-like format.  Maybe you could work on a mockup?  (WT-en) LtPowers 19:14, 14 September 2011 (EDT)

Please fix this!
Sorry, I am an idiot and I have no idea why Reykjavik is showing under October instead of November. Can someone please fix the table for me? — Ravikiran (talk)
 * Fixed it! I've figured out what colspan means! — Ravikiran (talk) 15:01, 1 November 2012 (CET)

UI Changes
A friend of mine who has been looking at the site noted today that it was odd that our lists of star articles, DOTM, and OTBP had clickable images that went to the image page instead of the article page. I think changing that should be uncontroversial, but I also wanted to make sure people were OK with using a template for these pages, which would make similar style issues simpler to fix in the future.

Here's the proposed template in action:

This template hides the somewhat confusing mix of table syntax and CSS, which should make this page easier to update and maintain, although for odd cases (such as London spanning two months) we'll still need to use wiki syntax. Comments? Barring objection I'll start putting this in place soon, and will make a similar template for the star articles. -- Ryan • (talk) • 01:01, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

 * We should definitely do this. We already do on the Main Page for the same reasons. --Peter Talk 01:03, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Done. -- Ryan • (talk) • 04:01, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Scrap the 'Past Features'?
Since Wikivoyage was just launched, the list of features is rather odd. I know why it transferred over, but I wonder if Wikivoyage features should start now (with January 2013)? Even in the articles, those that say they have been featured have technically not been featured here. Start over with features? ChubbyWimbus (talk) 16:26, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * This occurred to me as well. I think that at the very least, the tags should be removed from the articles. We may want to keep this list though, perhaps on a separate archive page, so we can be aware of what has already been done with these articles and avoid too many repeats.Texugo (talk) 19:48, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Strongly oppose. I think Wikivoyage's previous identity as Wikitravel should remain part and parcel of our project's history. We migrated the text from IB's servers to the WMF's as is, and we acknowledge the contributions of Wikitravel editors in an equivalent way to Wikivoyage editors, so why pretend Wikivoyage is a completely different entity than Wikitravel? Anyway, I don't see Wikitravel lasting much longer under IB's stewardship, given the fact that there's essentially no one left there to clean up after the spambots.

 * Additionally, I think that taking the tags off the articles would encourage repetition of past featured articles, and merely archiving the destinations featured under Wikitravel in a different place, as Texugo suggested, would not go far enough in counteracting that problem. In my view, re-featuring past featured articles should be absolutely discouraged (January and February 2013 notwithstanding) in order to give contributors an impetus to bring more articles up to Guide or Star status. Furthermore, newbies who may find their way to the Previous DotM, Previously OtBP, etc. pages can enjoy a treasure trove of really excellent articles, that would otherwise be less accessible to them.

 * -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:27, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I'm with Andre on this one. LtPowers (talk) 22:13, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

 * It seems to me that Wikivoyage is a fork of Wikitravel only by the literal definition of the term, not really in spirit. In my view—and I'm sure many others would agree, if being honest—Wikivoyage is a far more legitimate heir to pre-fork Wikitravel than post-fork Wikitravel is. In spirit, as I see it, we're not a fork—we're simply the continuation, under a new name.

 * In discussions like this one, I think it would behoove our community to proceed with that in mind. We are the community who put those Featured Destinations up; Internet Brands had nothing to do with it.

 * I can only speak for myself here, and feel free to take all of this with a grain of salt because there may be issues related to this that I am unaware of, but that's my take on the issue.

 * -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:50, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Our very first feature is a repeat and actually what made me think the project was perhaps going to repeat or allow repeats of all past features.

 * As an aside, if Dar es Salaam is ever improved, I hope it can be refeatured without regard for previous feature status, because by our feature standards, it should never have been featured in the first place. The article is long but the quality is dodgy. It was featured while it's "See" section is barely even a bulleted list, which I think is a shame. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:38, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Under ordinary circumstances, I might have opposed Peter's suggestion to refeature past articles for the launch, but I had to agree with him when he said the feature articles upcoming on the schedule at that time were fairly weak (Guadalajara, for example). Notwithstanding that, in my view, the extenuating circumstances would have to be pretty strong to justify refeaturing articles. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:11, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Banners
Since we've switched to banners on the main page, should we switch to using them here as well? LtPowers (talk) 15:58, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Probably. Hopefully that won't entail creating new banners for all the previously featured articles that precede the banner era. :) -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:20, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

 * No; actually, I think we should start with 2013 and move forward from there. They should stack up nicely.  LtPowers (talk) 18:40, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I've put the banners up for 2013. What do you think? LtPowers (talk) 15:22, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sure we'll have a new main page sooner or later, and maybe we won't need to keep creating such banners if that new main page will work differently so I think we should use the images as we were doing before rather than banners on this page to keep the things similar. --Saqib (talk) 11:43, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * But we can't, because we haven't been selecting main-page images that fit the previous format. LtPowers (talk) 19:06, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you talking about original image size difference? If so, I can see different sized images have been used pre-2013. --Saqib (talk) 16:44, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I'm not following you. Prior to the Main Page redesign, we used fairly standard 4:3 landscape format images on the front page, usually taken from the article, with a few exceptions here and there; the point being they fit nicely into a 3-wide grid.  The wider banners we currently use don't look good in the grid format you suggest we go back to.  LtPowers (talk) 21:53, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry for my late reply, but actually I haven't noticed your reply. What I'm trying to say is lets use 4:3 ratio images on this archive page rather than putting banners. --Saqib (talk) 19:05, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, that makes more sense than what I thought you were proposing, but the problem is that we don't have 4:3 ratio images for articles that have been featured this year. LtPowers (talk) 20:22, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * What is ratio of London image displaying here? --Saqib (talk) 14:27, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
 * About 2.5:1. LtPowers (talk) 19:02, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It means images of different ratios have been used previously. Can't we take random images from the articles featured this year? --Saqib (talk) 19:11, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's a good precedent. These banner images were carefully selected for beauty and strikingness; I wouldn't want to lose them.  LtPowers (talk) 15:00, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

2 banners in a row
Andrew, what do you think if we put two banners in a row? Below is the proposal in action but both banners need to be centred though. --Saqib (talk) 12:27, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Wrong namespace
Shouldn't the page be at Previous Destinations of the month, given that it's not a travel guide? Jc86035 (talk) 13:58, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Jc8136 . Oops! Jc86035, Actually your username is very similar to one of our outstanding editor. See Talk:Previous_Destinations_of_the_month. --Saqib (talk) 14:02, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I seem to be the only one defending its presence in mainspace. I still think its odd to send readers so quickly and without warning out of mainspace and into projectspace, but I'm willing to concede to an alternative consensus.  Powers (talk) 14:36, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

10 years of Destinations of the Month
Tomorrow it's July, and it'll be ten years since we featured an article on the Main Page for the first time. Would it be a good idea to celebrate it somehow? I wish I (or someone else) would've noticed it earlier so everyone interested would have time to think it through.

We could put Geneva, the very first DotM, on the Main Page for one day (just like the April Fools article gets featured for one day) but for that a banner would be needed. Alternatively we could mention the anniversary it in the blurb of the upcoming DotM: e.g. "CELEBRATING 10 YEARS OF DOTM" in red letters. Or maybe an additional banner in the carousel with a "birthday cake banner" and a link to the hall of fame. Other ideas? ϒpsilon (talk) 14:07, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Ypsi, I like your "1 day of Geneva" proposal and if you get broader support, this banner might do. I think it would be nice to mention Geneva as the first DOtM in the blurb, but actually link to the hall of fame. Danapit (talk) 16:10, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I second Ypsi's idea for one day of Geneva, and also Danapit's banner. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:21, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No objection from me - I think these sorts of special events give a vibrance to the site that we sometimes lack. Please plunge forward. -- Ryan • (talk) • 16:53, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Nice that you like the idea! Dana's banner with the Jet and the lake ferry looks good (it's either that, the UN or the Old town, right?). And the article should be OK to feature (worked on it quite a bit last summer). ϒpsilon (talk) 17:00, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm going to take the above to mean that we have consensus behind Geneva as DotM for one day, followed by City of London on 2 July. Would anybody like to write a blurb, or shall we just use the one we used in July 2004? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:46, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Speaking of run, announcing competitions, having seasonal content and anniversaries content on the mainpage IMO is a good idea. I think it will help grow our contributor base. Travel Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 06:30, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Should "10 YEARS OF DOTM" be added to the blurb? Something along the lines: "Wikivoyage celebrates 10 years of Destination of the month. The first DotM ever was Geneva." Without it probably only a couple of people involved in DOtM planning will notice something is special. Danapit (talk) 07:22, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think we should add it because it's the point of featuring Geneva for a day now. Objections? ϒpsilon (talk) 07:37, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ ϒpsilon (talk) 08:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Have Tweeted about it too. --Saqib (talk) 12:50, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Strange goings-on at Previous Destinations of the month, Previously Off the beaten path and Previous Featured travel topics
I had this notice posted at User ban nominations originally, but I'm uncomfortable placing it there because this situation doesn't actually call for a user ban, at least as yet. Nonetheless, it's something that we should keep an eye on.

121.98.129.198 is an anonymous user with no mainspace contribution history and an IP address that traces back to New Zealand, who made his Wikivoyage debut in quite the obscure place: adding pagebanners to Previous Destinations of the month, Previously Off the beaten path and Previous Featured travel topics with no basis in consensus. This bears several of the hallmarks of our old friend 118.93nzp, currently indefbanned.

Also, the registered account User:Axisixa is likely the same user - q.v. the revision history of Previously Off the beaten path.

-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:49, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure I see the problem. Those pages are in mainspace and might be the only such pages without banners. Star articles, for instance, has a banner.  Powers (talk) 18:19, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Somewhat of a tangent, but unless a block is being proposed, it's important that we focus on the edits and not the editor. If someone wants to suggest that an account should be banned because it may belong to a banned user let's present evidence at WV:User ban nominations, but unsubstantiated accusations should always be avoided - we don't want to create a guilty-until-proven-innocent environment.  Regarding the edits themselves, I tend to agree with Powers that it makes sense to consider adding banners to those pages since they are in mainspace. -- Ryan • (talk) • 18:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

 * I reject the characterization of my post as an "accusation" - I stated already that there's no grounds for a user ban at this time, and that it's nothing more or less than a situation that merits our continued attention. This thread does not accuse the user of being a sockpuppet any more than the Telstra vandal abuse filter tag ("Possible edit by banned user" or something to that effect) is an accusation against any good-faith Telstra user who the filter catches as a false positive.

 * Nor is it "unsubstantiated", as these edits fit an unusual pattern that is specific to one user in particular. Perhaps that's not smoking-gun proof, but it's interesting circumstantial evidence nonetheless.

 * As for applying the pagebanner template to the Previous DotM Pages: if the community wants to do that, fine. The proper procedure for any user who wants to put that into effect is to bring the issue up at the pub or on one of the relevant talk pages, not to insert the template unilaterally without consultation. Furthermore, any edits made by a sockpuppet of a blocked user are regarded as block evasion, so if this anonymous user is, in fact, a sockpuppet of 118.93nzp, then it's irrelevant whether the edits he makes are judged by the community to be productive.

 * -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:09, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

 * It didn't occur to me that that user could be 118.93nzp. And for the record, these edits didn't really bother me. Sometimes, old featured articles lose their pagebanners, as they are deleted from Commons. We can watch, but I don't see a problem so far. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:21, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Reorganise markers?
Do you reckon we could split this into three pages, sorted by era; perhaps 2004-2012 (Wikitravel), 2013-2019, and 2020-current? The rationale for this is everything on the map from March 2014 down has a 99 marker, and that will extend to April 2014 tomorrow. WV:Avoid long lists is a secondary reason.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:19, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * We could alternatively use a different colour marker for each year, which would put off the necessity of the above for a while.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:26, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I might actually prefer the second idea, as then we can keep all the DOTMs on the one map. The same proposal should be thought to apply to Previously Off the beaten path and Previous Featured travel topics.
 * Anyway, enough of me talking to myself. What do you think? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:30, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * As a first step, remove the markers for the unofficial ones. Possibly, we could categorize markers by continent. /Yvwv (talk) 19:01, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I favour your second proposal. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 21:24, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You mean one colour per continent? That could work too.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:53, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If we implement that suggestion, I don't think Oceania needs a colour of its own; Oceania and Asia can both use the same colour. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 09:04, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * But Asia will need its own colour.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:20, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * True – it might need more than one. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 09:23, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Dividing by continent is not ideal – it conveys no information but on our continent division. Colour coding by year or by five years makes more sense. But what about DotM/OtBT? That distinction seems more important to me than the year. To get down to ca 50 markers per colour we need to divide each (WT/DotM/OtBP) in two. Perhaps have three base colours and a different shade of the colour for about each five years (2013–2015, 2016–2020, 2021–), perhaps with old features light and newer darker, or newer more bright. –LPfi (talk) 11:43, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * We already have different pages for Previously Off the beaten path and Previous Featured Travel Topics; the latter one with different colours for specific and approximate locations. /Yvwv (talk) 13:54, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oops, tried to check but missed it somehow. –LPfi (talk) 17:05, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

OK, so there are several proposals on the table. I'd prefer to keep it simple and don't agree that the colour of the markers needs to convey information (we don't convey any special info with the current markers, and that's okay). One question to pose about colouring by year - so 12 markers per colour - how quickly would we run out of colours? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:53, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

 * Module:TypeToColor has a list of all colours, though I'm not sure which ones should be excluded. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:54, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Only 17? We'd better not do it by year, then! If chronological, we could consider doing it in blocks of five as suggested, or else geographically, either by continent, or by large continental region (e.g. Central America, Middle East, East Asia). --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:55, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * 17? I thought there were 21 ($$line 54 - line 33 = 21$$) and $$21 \times 99 = 2079$$ so we're unlikely to run out of colours and $$2079 \over 12$$ gives 173.25 so this should last us 173 years. Now it's really up to how we choose to use the colours. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:10, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Whether 17 or 21 (I just counted them by sight and got 17), if we use one colour per year with no repetition that only gives us 17 or 21 years, and that's from 2004 or 2013, not from 2022. So the wiser thing is to use each colour for a larger group (e.g. a block of five years, a block on a particular continent/region, or just an arbitrary block of 99 in a row).--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:51, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Though I suppose there's nothing stopping us from reusing colours once a whole cycle has been completed.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:55, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * However, it's worth noting that there is nothing stopping us from adding more colours to the module – I'll add more if there's a general consensus to do so. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 11:10, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * We should ask ourselves what purpose the different colours serve. If it is just to overcome the ≤99 limit, then we should try to use as few colours as possible (12·20=240 → 3 colours are enough). If we use more than that they should also have some other function or obvious logic. Having one colour per continent or region is one possible scheme, a hint on how new the features are, such as closer to grey as we approach grey markers of pre 2013, is another, but there is no reason I can think of to have specifically a one-year resolution. The simpler the scheme and the less colours, the easier to grasp and the easier on the eye. –LPfi (talk) 13:06, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * As the pre-2013 features were selected on Wikitravel, they are not Wikivoyage features, and shall not be recognized as such. /Yvwv (talk) 13:10, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikivoyage at that time was Wikitravel. I assume they were selected by the same editors who do it over here (of course there are new editors also, such as me, but the editor base is changing somewhat all the time). We can forget about the post-2013 Wikitravel, but I don't think it is a good move to deny our history. I assume the threshold for features didn't magically change as hosting changed. Having a different colour for the "unofficial" features is OK, but I don't agree that they shouldn't "be recognised" (they aren't Wikivoyage features, but that's more of a technicality). –LPfi (talk) 13:58, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe I don't really understand the fade to grey suggestion, but it doesn't seem important to me to declare how long ago articles were featured on the map, when the list already makes that clear. It also seems like it would be bothersome to maintain, as for the scheme to make any sense we'd have to "age" markers as we go (e.g. markers for 2018 features would currently be quite vivid, but as we get further into the 2020s they ought to become less so).
 * As it stands, I favour 's colour-by-continent suggestion.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * My suggestion is that we remove all markers from before 2013, as these were not featured on Wikivoyage. As it looks now, they are more highlit than the regular ones, which seems a bit counter-productive. /Yvwv (talk) 20:01, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I definitely agree with not drawing extra attention to them as we are now, but I'm also with LPfi on "not deny[ing] our history". --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:49, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

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Primorskiy Krai

 * Speedy Delete - article is exact duplicate of better named Primorsky Krai; I am the sole author of this article. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 22:40, 9 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 01:30, 10 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Speedy Redirect seems obviously the right solution, so I've done it. (WT-en) Pashley 08:24, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Prince Edward Island

A good rule of thumb for what is or isn't a destination (ie with its own article) is if it has places to sleep, eat, shop, etc. So the Grand Canyon is a destination but the Golden Gate Bridge is not (San Francisco is).

 * So, I'm starting the Project:What is an article? page -- let's move this discussion there. -- (WT-en) Evan 06:45, 30 Oct 2003 (PST)

How to divide?
Right now this article doesn't need to be broken up. We need to add a lot more info, first. But I think that we should plan for how it will be broken up in the future. Rather than dividing it by towns, I think it should be divided into regions. With the exceptions of Charlottetown and possibly Summerside, none of the villages on PEI are large enough to merit their own articles (Malpeque had one, but I've merged it into the main article). I think that the obvious division is by county, with extra sections for Charlottetown and Summerside. So eventually we should plan to make Prince Edward Island a general introduction, and move the details into Charlottetown, Summerside, Prince Edward Island (Queen's County), Prince Edward Island (Prince County), Prince Edward Island (King's County). -- 24.224.228.90 18:53, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT) (PBurka on Wikipedia)

 * Um, no, that's not really the way it works. Basically anywhere that you can sleep (and has something worth seeing) gets its own article, and these are then collected up in regions.  Please see Project:What is an article? and Project:Geographical hierarchy. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:13, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT)

i love P.e.i
pei is the best place in canada (and earth) i bwould never whant to go any where else in my life time i will keep coming here forver i love pei!!!!!!

your's truly gina

Prince Edward Island is located on the east coast of Canada. It has 3 main industries: fishing, farming, and tourism. People from all over the world come to PEI and enjoy its quiet lifestyle, and sense of family.

George Jordan, Red Soil Real Estate

Delta airlines?
I've disambiguated New York to New York City as this appears to fly to JFK per. K7L (talk) 23:00, 26 October 2012 (CEST)

List of counties
A list of counties was just added. I understand that PEI has 3 counties, but I don't see how it serves the traveller to have a section with red links to articles that don't exist about them, nor how it's even useful for them to be told these counties exist. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:47, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * When I travelled to PEI years ago, the counties did pop up in some tourist info as a means to divide the province. Looking at Tourism PEI and Welcome PEI, it seems the tourist agencies have moved on from the counties, so they don't seem to have the same relevance now. I think we can probably get away with not talking about them, but I won't argue if someone more familiar with the island makes a case that they're meaningful to the traveller. -Shaundd (talk) 05:18, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * We currently have four local-level articles for the entire province. I see no need to divide to subregions at this point. K7L (talk) 05:29, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I fully agree we don't need subregions right now. I think Ikan was raising whether we need to mention the counties at all (right now they're plain text in the lede). -Shaundd (talk) 05:58, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * See this difference. Quite recently, there was a "Counties" section with 3 red-linked articles. If it's important to mention their existence, fine, and I don't mind the current setup, without a dedicated section or links. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:24, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

title: Talk:Prince Edward Island


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Talk:Prince George's County

Redirect?
I don't know that Maryland needs regions down to the county level. Should we redirect to Capital Region (Maryland)? -- (WT-en) Jonboy 05:05, 22 September 2006 (EDT)

 * I created it as a redirect to Capital Region (Maryland), I don't understand why it was changed.
 * The "summary" for the creation was #REDIRECT Capital Region (Maryland) and yet for the change it was covert redirect to region template. Does not need a rediredt - what was "covert" about it?
 * I suggest it be reverted back to a redirect; but if not, then it needs a instead - see Project:Votes for deletion. ~ 203.144.143.6 08:15, 22 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Personally, I'd rather not see it deleted. There's more to the county than the part immediately touching the Capital Region, and until the numerous small towns in it all get their own articles, it's a useful catch-all.  The same argument suggests that a redirect isn't to the point either, so let's leave it as is. (Incidentally, Montgomery County is another Maryland county for which the same arguments would apply; most other counties there really don't need separate articles, but I could make a case for that one too.) -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:44, 6 October 2006 (EDT)
 * The hierarchy I set up (err, stole from the Maryland Department of Tourism) for Maryland has PG+Montgomery=Capital Region. If you'd like to redefine that, it's a separate issue.  But as long as PG is part of the Capital Region, I think a redirect is appropriate.  If the Capital Region starts overflowing, we can sub-regionalize the Capital Region into Montgomery & PG, but for now I don't think that's necessary (unfortunately -- would that we had too much Maryland information!) -- (WT-en) Jonboy 17:58, 6 October 2006 (EDT)

OK, the Capital Region is now officially overflowing. (OK, unofficially.) By that, I mean with the addition of Brentwood, we'd either have to bump a much more significant city off the Capital Region page or have 10 cities. Therefore I'm undoing the redirect and moving Brentwood here. --(WT-en) Jonboy 06:22, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

Prince George's County

 * US county created as a redirect - should such pages be deleted or kept? I agree with the comments in support of pre-emptive redirects on Project:Geographical hierarchy and Talk:U.S. counties (disambiguation), but there appears to be no actual policy. ~ 203.144.143.6 14:07, 21 September 2006 (EDT)

 * Keep: I have changed this by putting in a region template. It is much better to discuss policy changes prior to implementation. Suggest the proposal above by the anon be discussed and a consensus reached before setting policy. refer discussion to Project:Geographical hierarchy -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 14:20, 21 September 2006 (EDT)
 * It has been mentioned on the Talk:Prince George's County page by User:(WT-en) Jonboy that a county breakdown is not needed for Maryland, based upon that, I don't object to deleting or redirecting this. I just don't want to "turn on" a massive effort to redirect all county pages I suspected that was starting. I would hope we would discuss that and come to some sort of agreement on massive redirects before implementation. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 11:16, 23 September 2006 (EDT)

 * Keep/Redirect. This county often gets referred to as a location.  I could see someone saying "where can we eat in PG" and searching for this name. But I agree that this shouldn't spark a massive effort to redirect.  Clarke County, GA, to pick another place I've lived, is not some place that I think needs to be redirected.  -- (WT-en) Jonboy 21:28, 24 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep, at least for now. PG County (where I lived briefly) is fairly "urban," and a time may come when everything of interest in it is covered by some other article.  Until then, given the fact that places are indeed described as being in "PG," it's a service to the traveler to have the article around.  It certainly does extend far enough away from Washington DC that some things can best be described as being there, rather than in the Capital Region. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:39, 6 October 2006 (EDT)

Consensus seems to be to keep this. I'm archiving the discussion. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:38, 10 October 2006 (EDT)

title: Talk:Prince George's County


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Talk:Prince of Wales Island

This is a census area. It is an area used to gather statistics and may not be a natural region. I am not sure how these census areas fit into the Wikivoyage geographical hierachy. Does someone who knows this part of Alaska have any ideas? - (WT-en) Huttite 07:21, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

Convert to rural area article?
This is a region article with six city articles listed in Prince of Wales Island, but only two of them are bluelinks. Out of the six destinations, four of them, including the two, are connected to each other via road, and both articles, Klawock and Craig (Alaska), are outlines. I don't see why we need to have an extra layer of hierarchy. It would be a different story if this had some content, but it does not, and only Klawock has a reasonable amount of travel content.

Other thoughts? -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 11:50, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

 * Given how there are almost no objections, I will merge the two bluelinks in the next few days if there are no objections. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:22, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

 * per nomination. Ground Zero (talk) 17:38, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 02:35, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:Prince of Wales Island


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Talk:Prince Rupert

Last I checked you can also take a ferry from here to Alaska on their marine highway system.

So go ahead and add it ;) -- (WT-en) bulliver 14:00, 21 March 2006 (EST) Sorry, realise that may have come off as rude, it was not intended to. If you are from the area it would be great if you could start fleshing in some details, as I am just going by internet research here, and have no idea of the quality of listings I added -- (WT-en) bulliver 14:02, 21 March 2006 (EST)

Plane schedules are good until the following dates:
 * Air Canada: Nov 30, 2011. >.<
 * Hawkair: March 31, 2012.
 * Seaplane: Until further notice.

The only change on Nov30 is that the morning flight slips five minutes to 10:08am arrival and the evening flight slips five in its departure to 7:50pm. Then it'll be good until 11Feb2012. (No evening flight on Christmas.)

- (WT-en) Wmcduff 23:53, 3 October 2011 (EDT)

(From Pub) Cleaning up quasi-spam
Just looking for some advice with the Do section of Prince Rupert. There's a fishing charter explosion there, and a lot of it feels like advertising spam. However, a fishing charter is a major thing to do in the area. Other than cleaning up the entries and adding addresses and e-mails and the like, what do people think I should do with this Do? (Do-do-de-do-do...) - (WT-en) Wmcduff 00:39, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

 * Looking at that article, I would cull a few of the fishing charter listings, aiming to keep about 9. The prime candidates to go should be those written in the first person - any use of "we" and "our" is a non-no.--(WT-en) burmesedays 20:50, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

title: Talk:Prince Rupert


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Talk:Princes Highway

Is this an article?
I'm not sure this is an article-- course it's hard to tell with no content. Is this supposed to cover an itinirary for the Princess Highway, or the area around it, or is there an actual destination called Princess Highway? (WT-en) Majnoona 12:02, 21 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * The Princess Highway is an Australian highway connecting Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide. It's an important road link between three of Australia's largest cities and it probably deserves its own article. (WT-en) DhDh 12:15, 21 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * OK... At some point we probably need to hammer out how all these Australian road articles reflect on Project:What is an article?. I get a little mixed up sometimes about it... --(WT-en) Evan 12:44, 21 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * I understand what you mean -- that's why I said it probably deserved its own article. However, in the cases of the Gunbarrel Highway, the Oodnadatta Track and other outback tracks, I'm convinced they deserve their own articles. Quite a few people go to Australia to drive along them (as I did). They're really destinations in their own right. (WT-en) DhDh 13:44, 21 Jan 2004 (EST)

I agree with both Evan's concern and Dhum Dhum's comment about outback driving. Is there a way we can add to Project:What is an article? so that the Gunbarrel Highway and Silk Road are OK as itiniraries/destinations but that will prevent having Highway 280 or Jersey Turnpike? I think we need to clarify what "deserve" means (cause it's pretty? "important"? "popular"? or has something truely destination-y about it?)(WT-en) Majnoona 17:05, 21 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * I started working on Project:Itineraries. There's something of a difference between formal routes, like particular named roads (Route 66, Gunbarrel Highway) or trails (Appalachian Trail, Pacific Crest Trail, Annapurna Circuit), and informal routes like One month in Southeast Asia or Istanbul to Delhi over land). But I think the idea is the same. We have dots (OK, smudges) on our maps that are destinations -- countries, regions, cities, districts, etc. And we have lines that go between those dots -- sometimes they're traditional or established, sometimes they're just "suggested" by Wikivoyagers. --(WT-en) Evan 17:12, 21 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * I suggest we take this discussion to Wikivoyage Talk:Itineraries. I'll copy/paste it there. (WT-en) DhDh 17:21, 21 Jan 2004 (EST)

Isn't the name incorrect?
Isn't it the Princes Highway not the Princess Highway? (WT-en) Nurg 06:15, 25 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * You are absolutely right. I hadn't even noticed it. I'll move this page to its correct name. (WT-en) DhDh 06:43, 25 Jan 2004 (EST)

title: Talk:Princes Highway


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Talk:Princeton

Comments
There are some fundamental innaccuracies in this article. First, there are two different Princetons in Mercer County. Princeton Borough is the town (including the University) which is surrounded by Princeton Township. There is also a Princeton mailing address (the mailing address wanders outside Borough and Township limits considerably, because it is a desireable, prestigious mailing address). I do not believe the article needs to be divided between the two Princetons, but these facts should be spelled out. (WT-en) gamweb 15:42, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The University is not confined to the borough. --140.180.0.159 14:00, 4 November 2009 (EST)

title: Talk:Princeton


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Talk:Princeton (British Columbia)

Should mention Princeton Castle, no? (see Commons for pictures) - 207.246.150.86 18:12, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

title: Talk:Princeton (British Columbia)


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Talk:Pristina

Be prepared
This article will likely be renamed soon--124.184.31.179 22:13, 18 February 2008 (EST)

 * We do not follow official names. See Project:Article naming conventions. -- (WT-en) Colin 22:36, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Prices
Can someone speak to the prices at the restaurants and hotels, and compare to neighboring Skopje? (WT-en) MrZaius 23:59, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
 * erm, speak to the prices? in any case please plunge forward - --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 00:40, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

Taxi Price: From Pristina Airport to a downtown hotel the fixed price in May 2022 is meanwhile 25 EUR and sometimes the driver demands a "fuel-surcharge" of additional 5 EUR. The price in the other direction is much cheaper. At the airport exit door for Taxis there is a big sign with all fares to destinations out of Pristina. The same information on the airports website is outdated ! Take a photograph and have the correct EUR amount ready. --87.238.213.99 15:18, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

 * Why don't you update this information in the article? It would have taken you the same amount of time to update it there as to post it here and expect someone else to do it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:56, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Name
Pristina is not the "wrong name"; it's the pretty much universally-used English-language name. The standard for nomenclature on this site is laid out at Naming conventions and has to do only with which name is most used in English. And names of article titles should not be changed unilaterally. I will move the article back immediately after typing this message. User:Astronomi06 and others, please do not move it back but feel free to argue that Prishtina is more commonly used in English. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:45, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I notice that "Prishtina" is widely used in the text of this article. We need to pick a spelling and stick with it, though the fact that an alternative spelling exists should be mentioned in the lede or "Understand." Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:48, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I took care of most of them; the one at the beginning of the article was egregious; how long was that allowed to stand? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:55, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * For those new to Wikivoyage: Welcome, thanks for your updates, and please use the spelling "Pristina." You can also argue that "Prishtina" is used more often in English (and then good luck), but in the meantime, all such spellings that aren't the official names of organizations and so forth must be changed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:05, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Destination of the month?
We have had few featured articles from the Balkans. Does this article need any specific improvement to be a Destination of the Month? What time of the year would be the best for featuring Pristina? /Yvwv (talk) 19:52, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

 * @Yvwv if this is still an option I would say ASAP while Manifesta is happening. --Zblace (talk) 09:33, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * In that case we would run Pristina in October. We rarely make features on such short notice, but we could always make the nomination at dotm. Are there any future public events? /Yvwv (talk) 11:39, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Taxi apps
The article says all the taxi companies use whatsapp or viber, but to me it seems this is not true and they all have an app of their own to install, which would be nice but they all say it cannot be installed to me since I'm a foreigner. Only one that worked was the golden taxi app. Slsh-w (talk) 09:57, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:Pristina


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Talk:Proddatur

Proddatur is also called second BOMBAY because of its familiarity in Gold market.It has its own Gold Market just like big cities Mumbai,Chennai etc.. have.It is Next to mysore in celebrating Dussera Festival.Dussera Festival celebrations use to happen every year as a part of Navaratri celebrations.These celebrations are headed by Arya Vysya Sabha ,Proddatur.It is also for some of Food varieties like Dosa,Bajji etc..Lots of Dosa varities ranging from Rs.10 - Rs.250 available here.

title: Talk:Proddatur


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Talk:Proof of what you already own

Content and scope
[heading added by LPfi] As the only contributor to this article, am concerned that this short but key piece might be deleted because it's an outline (really?) and short (but complete for it's title, though lacking content for other than U.S. citizens...I'm not qualified to develop such content).

For those who take extensive valuables (e.g., jewelry, late-model cameras/computers) with them internationally, the process described can save a considerable sum (duty assessment) and embarrassment at customs processing as they return. Perhaps it needs to be referenced from or inserted in articles that address traveling to foreign countries; perhaps we need a generalized article on that topic per se. Regards (WT-en) Hennejohn 20:20, 2 January 2012 (EST)

 * I agree it is on shaky ground. The article name is odd, the information that is common to all countries verges on the obvious., and I think it is being overly preachy.  I could summarise the whole thing, by "It's worth keeping the receipts for any items you purchased before leaving that are commonly purchased duty-free so you aren't incorrectly charged duty on your return."  --(WT-en) Inas 21:53, 2 January 2012 (EST)

 * I concur with the unusual brevity of this piece and its clumsy title...perhaps "Avoiding Duty Costs" would be better, and would introduce a wider-spectrum, more useful article. Believe this article already has links to it from at least two articles.  Must hope someone else knows how to find all those articles to correct broken linkages.  Perhaps pasting it in "Fundamentals of flying" and "Cruise ships" would be a good start.  Would also be willing to draft a broader article such as above.  Regret, I'm unqualified to find all articles that may reference this one...or to re-direct existing linkages and/or copy in-place.

 * Do have extensive personal experience with seeing others encounter considerable delays at customs screening as they return to their home-country. In most cases, they had no receipts; and often when they did, their receipts (from merchants within their country) had undependable standing for customs purposes.  In at least two cases, couples incurred duty fees of several hundred dollars...after officials relented on levying even larger fines for non-declaration of dutiable items.  Yes, there are folks who take major valuables with them...especially on cruises.  Regards,  (WT-en) Hennejohn 15:47, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

 * I think the scope is good as it stands. Short and sweet. One thing that is missed is that you don't necessarily visit just one country, so it isn't always about returning. And the customs in the visited country may be equally interested in things you are trying to export.

 * The forms where you declare any valuables you import are, to my understanding as important for getting them out of the country visited without hassle, as the proofs now discussed in the article is for getting them back home. If there is a third transit country involved, your proof from home may be even less sufficient, especially if your home country is known for corruption (prejudice or not).

 * I think these aspects could be included without making the article unwieldy. Related articles: Border crossing, Shopping and Duty free shopping. I linked the article from the first of these. I don't think this article is of special interest for flying (the issues aren't different from other transport that I can see).

 * –LPfi (talk) 09:40, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Proof of what you already own


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Talk:Prospect Creek

Prospect Creek
According to Wikipedia, it has been an abandoned camp since the early 1990s, the population is 0, and therefore one cannot sleep there. See Wikipedia article:. Could possibly redirect to Dalton Highway (a couple of miles away) or Bettles (population 39) 25 miles away, but no WT article yet. (WT-en) AHeneen 07:08, 14 December 2008 (EST)

 * Redirect. Dalton Highway would seem like a reasonable redirection target. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:16, 14 December 2008 (EST)

title: Talk:Prospect Creek


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Talk:Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur

This is getting weird. What's the difference between the Regions and the Departments? Why do we need both? --(WT-en) Evan 11:05, 19 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * Nothing in France is simple! Regions don't break down neatly into departments. With Provence-Alpes-Cote d'Azur, we can either break the region into its constituent departments: Drome Provencale, Hautes Alpes, Alpes Maritimes, Alpes de Haute Provence, Vaucluse, Bouches du Rhone, and Var or into its constituent regions: Provence (parts of Var, parts of Alpes de Haute Provence, all of Vaucluse, and all of Bouches du Rhone); Cote d'Azur (Alps Maritime - the Riviera and Nice); and Alpes (parts of Alpes de Haute Provence, all of Hautes Alpes). The latter makes more sense (to me) because it has the recognizable names of Provence and Cote d'Azur. We can always do a lateral subdivision (into Marseille, Luberon, etc.) as well. I'll plunge forward with this unless I hear an objection.--(WT-en) Wandering 16:54, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

 * This really does need sorted out. The current hierarchy in this area is fuzzy and unclear. As people are trying to update all of the "IsPartOf", there does not seem to be a logical way to do that with this region as it is now organized. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 18:12, 12 December 2009 (EST)

 * Yes, we need a completely different setup. I suggest we call this whole article Provence and use the following subregions:

 * Avignon Region (part of Vaucluse)
 * Camargue (part of Bouches-du-Rhône)
 * Provence Alps (part of Alpes-de-Haute-Provence, all of Hautes-Alpes)
 * French Riviera (Alpes-Maritimes and Var) — can be further divided into Southeast Coast, Central Coast and Northeast Coast
 * Luberon (part of Vaucluse, part of Alpes-de-Haute-Provence)
 * Marseille-Pays d'Aix (part of Bouches-du-Rhône, includes Aix-en-Provence)

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 15:07, 23 July 2010 (EDT)

 * I have changed my opinion and made the map using the Departments. Later these departments could have the subdivisions Camargue, Luberon, etc, but they are not necessary yet. The only problem now is Alpes-Maritimes, which should have subregions. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 20:47, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

French Riviera instead of departments?
It seems that the experiment of following the official regional division of France did not quite work out, as we ended up with a number of near-empty articles with laundry lists of variously blue or red links. Doesn't seem very helpful to the travellers.

On the other hand, French Riviera, for all its shortcomings, appears to at least contain SOME content. Why don't we replace Bouches-du-Rhone, Var and Alpes-Maritimes with French Riviera then? PrinceGloria (talk) 18:30, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

 * I think you have a good point, but should we broaden this discussion to Talk:France? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:36, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

 * The reason I ask is that the issues you bring up in regard to articles about departments are not restricted to the south of France. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:37, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

 * There are 80-something departments in France, I don't think a blanket solution is possible or recommendable. Let us replace those here if we agree to do so, and any other where the situation is similar. PrinceGloria (talk) 22:12, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

 * It could be disorderly to divide parts of France by department and other parts by region. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:29, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

 * We did that in many different countries. We're talking of last-level regions here, I see no problem. It's about providing travellers with the best information, not having a neato division of nothing. PrinceGloria (talk) 22:32, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

 * We definitely agree in principle; I'd just like to see how this would work in practice, beyond this region alone. Perhaps other people will have ideas, but it certainly is reasonable on the face of it to consider the French Riviera as a region. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:45, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

 * The French version is also broken down into departments and I think we might want to confer with them on their opinion/experience with doing it this way. Also consider that we have 41 articles spread across the three departments proposed for merging. Putting all those under one parent region would make this literally our number one most populous bottom-level region by a long shot. Texugo (talk) 23:24, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

 * Well, the French obviously have more content in each department because they are French, known their thing and care about France, so they edit their articles. If you speak French and care, you can perhaps port content. I am trying to remedy the situation for now - this is an important region touristically and we're providing very little coverage above the destination level.
 * If you are concerned with 41 articles linked from one (are you sure those are blue links and the articles actually have any content?), then the easisest thing to do would be to distribute the content from French Riviera across the departments. PrinceGloria (talk) 04:18, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Don't go trying to deprecate extraregions against consensus again. Yes, it has 41, which is clear from the category pages, and I don't need to check whether they have content because policy is to always link all destinations if it becomes a bottom level region. Texugo (talk) 11:04, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe we need to make sure they have some content though, this is an important region touristically. Either we go with French Riviera only, or we make those regions reasonable. PrinceGloria (talk) 11:54, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe I would oppose putting 41 destinations under one umbrella no matter what. We have to draw a line somewhere. Otherwise if we go around combining regions using your logic we'll end up with lots and lots of regions with very very long lists. I suggest that most of the ones with over 25 are already getting excessively long, and there are current only 33 regions even that long. Your logic would lead to dozens of regions over 40, I'm afraid. If we're going to head that direction, I think we need a community decision on it, because we've always tried to avoid it before... Texugo (talk) 12:16, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * My logic is to split the content between the three regions now knowing we have to cover 41 destinations. PrinceGloria (talk) 16:34, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * But you have a conflict of interest at hand, in which you have put out a simultaneous proposal elsewhere to similarly remove and redistribute such content from all extraregions, and many have opposed that proposal. As with your nomination to delete Korea, it gives the distinct impression that you're losing the fight to eradicate extraregions as a class so you're taking the fight to the individual articles themselves. Texugo (talk) 16:50, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I think you are taking Wikivoyage overly personal. If you believe it is a place where we fight for stuff, I have a starkly different vision. I have a certain understanding of Wikivoyage principles that may be different from the others', this is why we discuss. Since we seem not to have reached any reasonable consensus on the extraregions, I decided to step back and give myself some time to ponder, while also trying to understand your point of view. That said, I have had issues with some extraregions not because they are extraregions, but because I believe they are simply inappropriate articles for Wikivoyage for various reasons. I always put up matters I find contentious and not fitting Wikivoyage up for discussion on sight. Recently, I've been going through extraregions to see what the deal is all about, so that's what I read and found needing correction, hence the discussion on Korea and here on French Riviera. Let us be less personal and focus on the matter at hand, not ideology. PrinceGloria (talk) 18:16, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * PS. Just to make sure, I have found many extraregions OK and not needing any discussion. Need I even say that? Why am I excuses. This is silly.

Photos
I added a few. Please add more. I think that what I'd like to do is, if possible, represent every departement, but also a range of rural areas, big cities, smaller cities and small towns, space allowing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:48, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Really nice images, Ikan, with a good variety. There isn't room for many more, perhaps one of the harbours that are so enigmatic of the region (Saint-Tropez, Menton, Marseille?) and a market scene and / or people playing pétanque would be enough? One thing I would say is the current rail map is pretty useless. Even in its much larger form, it is too small to read. I would recommend it be replaced by something better (if we've got it), but for now I've removed it and added a link to the official map) published by the SNCF. ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:59, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll see whether there are some Featured or Quality images of the Port of Marseille. I did see a really nice picture of Menton. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:19, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I take it you didn't like the photos I suggested? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 00:09, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Though your ones are actually better anyway :) --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 00:11, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I managed to unintentionally ignore your links! The St. Tropez and Menton photos are very good (the one of Marseille is a bit hazy). I think there's room for one more photo, so I'll insert the St. Tropez one. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:12, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * If you like the photo of Menton you linked better than the one I posted, by all means switch them. They're both beautiful photos. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I prefer the one you found actually. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 00:24, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I always look for Featured, Quality and Valued images first, but there are sometimes great photos which have none of those ratings, and occasionally, I don't like a Valued image. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:29, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * A search of Commons Category:Pétanque produced no photos I considered good. Perhaps someone would like to take a good photo? Another possibility is a field of lavender. I associate the two in my mind because I walked through a field of lavender past the boule club in Nice every day for 4 weeks of a stage in flute in the summer of 1992. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:29, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * By posting a photo of a lavender field with one already being the pagebanner, I'm doubling down, but the photo I posted is also of an abbey in Vaucluse, which wasn't yet represented by a photo, so this way, I cover 3 bases (or hit 3 boules?). Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:38, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The two lavender pics are sufficiently different from one another. I couldn't find any decent market pictures either, which is a shame. We can do without any more images on this article though. Too many and it risks being annoying to print out. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 00:22, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That is a shame about market pictures. True about printing. We have more or less one picture per section now. Another one could be shoehorned in somewhere, but it isn't necessary. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:31, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Status of Occitan
I have a friend who lived in a rural area recently and said that Occitan is very much alive and well today. I also remember that in the 90s, Nissart was spoken quite a bit in Nice, though perhaps mostly by people who were middle aged and up. Is the article's claim that Occitan is nearly dead really accurate? Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:02, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

 * If only older people speak the language, then I would say that qualifies as 'nearly dead' in the region. It is my understanding that Occitan is more widely-spoken by different generations in the south west, where in the extreme south it tapers into Catalan and Aragonese. ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 01:08, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Providence

40 minutes from Logan?
Maybe if you drive a Ferarri. One hour is a far better average time without traffic.

Disambiguation
Does Providence really need disambiguation? Can't we just have a Providence article, or are there other relatively famous Providences that I don't know about? -(WT-en) nick 21:20, 20 Aug 2004 (EDT)

 * There are a couple of other Providences (see WikiPedia:Providence), but I think the one in RI probably passes the much-more-famous test. I'll move the page. --(WT-en) Evan 11:59, 21 Aug 2004 (EDT)

Been Here
I have been here. (WT-en) Rspga49 (talk) 15:56 September 28, 2004 (EDT)

Districts
This city is now partially districted, with Providence/Federal Hill and Providence/College Hill, and the rest of the city covered in the main article. This is pretty clearly not how we are supposed to do things, and I would suggest merging those two back into this article, except for the fact that they are actually quite nice little district articles. So ideally, we should come up with a comprehensive district hierarchy for the city with no gaps nor overlap. It's a pretty small city, though, and should not have many (I'd be wary of having more than 3 or 4), if any at all. Thoughts? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:24, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

 * Since the University of Rhode Island use Wikivoyage as part of their writing class, we're going to have an influx of new inexperienced contributors 2-3 times every year - the current mess is a clear example of that happens then - I think we really need to come up with a plan, and a map, so we get all the contribution that apparently will keep pouring in at a fairly regular basis, in the right place... So anyone familiar with Providence who can suggest something?

 * There are some pretty clear cut ones:
 * Hope-College Hill - (East of Canal street, I95 and the railway up to the city limit in the north, and the cove to the east) includes College Hill, Hope and Blackstone
 * East Providence well, east providence, across the habour/cove
 * North Providence
 * South Providence
 * Other than that I'm unsure, but we should try to divide them up
 * Charles -> North Providence?
 * Elmhurst -> North Providence?
 * Elmwood -> South Providence?
 * Federal Hill
 * Lower South -> South Providence?
 * Mount Hope -> Hope-College Hill
 * Mount Pleasant -> ?
 * Olneyville -> ?
 * Reservoir -> South Providence?
 * Silver Lake -> ?
 * Smith Hill
 * Upper South -> South Providence?
 * Valley -> ?
 * Wanskuck -> North Providence?
 * Washington Park -> South Providence?
 * West End -> Adding West Providence District to include Broadway and the Armory District--(WT-en) Mcamp38 16:45, 14 June 2012 (EDT)
 * Feel free to edit, or come with other suggestions --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 20:54, 23 January 2010 (EST)
 * I'm not very familiar with the city, but I do hope we can get beyond "partially districted", as I don't think that's a good state to leave an article in.(WT-en) Texugo 01:25, 9 March 2010 (EST)
 * While its true that all the "districts" listed above exist is it really necessary to include them all in a travel guide? Seriously...  While Downtown and the East Side certainly have distinct identities and attractions outside of these areas a description of just Providence would do just fine.  You certainly dont need a special section for tourist attractions in neighborhoods like Silver Lake or Elmwood... —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 98.175.221.41 (talk • contribs)
 * As a member of this site and a resident of providence, this districting is truly screwed up. Most of the problem arises from the fact that so many things on the individual districts is not present on the main page. I'm going to be migrating some entries over to the main page —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Mcamp38 (talk • contribs)
 * Shouldn't it go the other way around? (WT-en) LtPowers 21:25, 14 June 2012 (EDT)
 * The official list of neighborhoods and boundaries can be found at http://local.provplan.org/profiles/ I agree that not all of the districts should have a separate travel guide as they are mostly residential. Please do not use "North Providence" for Wanskuck, Charles or Elmhurst as North Providence is a different neighboring town. --Mu301 (talk) 04:13, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Content shift
I've moved the content that was here to Talk:Providence/Content Shift. It was article content with top-level headers and it made it hard to use the talk page. (WT-en) LtPowers 18:55, 28 July 2010 (EDT)

 * I don't see it. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 13:07, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

 * Whoops, I must have forgotten to save it. (WT-en) LtPowers 21:22, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

Downtown
Someone has added the brand new article Providence/Downtown. Does it fit within the current districting scheme? (WT-en) LtPowers 18:55, 28 July 2010 (EDT)

 * I really don't know. Now someone added Providence/Fox Point. These new districts don't make navigation any easier if they aren't well thought-out. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 18:42, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

 * Downtown should probably have a page. (marketing from the City often refers to the area as "Downcity" though it is rare for people to refer to it that way) The bigger problem is that many of the listings are not really in Downtown. Atwells Ave. is in Federal Hill and Thayer St. is College Hill. --Mu301 (talk) 04:19, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Closed listing (moved from article)

 * Dive bar located in downtown Providence, with musical acts ranging from local to well known bands. They have a full bar, nice atmosphere, and legendary reggae monday's where you can find the DJ spinning from 9pm-1am. Tickets range from $5-20. (recently closed.)

Districts again
Is the current number and border of districts right? Should there be districts at all? Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:21, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It is flawed. North Providence is not actually part of Providence, it is actually a separate city and should be breadcrumbed as such. That said, there are also "northern neighborhoods of Providence" which I guess demand their own article, though it may be a small article at this point. Similarly, East Providence is a separate city. These two separate cities should be grey rather than colored on the map, and not listed. Beside that, the districts look OK, and I think there is too much content to merge it into a single article again. That said, the exact boundaries of the districts are unclear since the district map is not strictly geographical. Perhaps by locating the multitude of restaurants and stores in each district article, we could pin down the exact borders of the articles. Ar2332 (talk) 08:13, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, let me edit that. There is a comprehensive neighborhood map here and the exact boundaries are in OpenStreetMap! Ar2332 (talk) 09:08, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, the boundaries of College Hill and Fox Point are in OpenStreetMap. That said, the other Wikivoyage districts can be traced relatively easily from the Wikipedia map. Ar2332 (talk) 09:25, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

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Understand
Providence is known as “the creative” capital of the state of Rhode Island and the most populous city. Providence was founded in 1636 by Roger Williams a religious exile from Massachusetts who wanted to establish a religiously tolerant state. The city not only became a haven for settlers but later became recognized for its jewelry and silverware industry. Downtown providence is one of the busiest areas of the state thriving on tourism, public transit and creativity.

Get in
By car I-95 is the most useful especially for those coming from the Boston and New York areas. Take exit 22A toward Downtown

By plane
TF Green Airport in Warwick, RI, conveniently located one mile off I-95 at the end of Exit #13. From there you can easily take RIPTA (Rhode Island Public Transit Authority): Route #14 East Greenwich, Narragansett, Newport, North Kingstown, Providence (express), Warwick (south). Route #20 Cranston, Providence, Warwick (north), RI. Connecting service Most cities and towns in RI.
 * MBTA Commuter rail service between South Station (Boston) and dowtown Providence will be extended to T.F. Green Airport in late 2010!

By train
Providence Train Station 100 Gaspee Street Providence, RI 02907 Tickets and Reservations (800) USA-RAIL Station services and baggage (401) 727-7388

Amtrak (800) 872-7245 Daily service is avaliable between downtown Providence and Boston (Back Bay and South Stations), Kingston Station (URI) and Westerly.

MBTA Commuter Rail 800-392-6100 Daily MBTA commuter rail service is available between downtown Providence and Attleboro, Boston (Back Bay & South Stations), Canton Junction, Mansfield, Sharon and South Attleboro, MA.

By bus
Rhode Island Public Transit Authority (RIPTA) is located in the heart of downtown Providence located in Kennedy Plaza. The buses run in various areas of Downtown Providence as well as other cities and towns. Address: 265 Melrose Street Providence, RI 02907 (401) 781-9400 (800) 244-0444

By boat
Block Island Ferry Service Service between Narragansett, RI and Block Island, RI www.blockislandferry.com State Pier, Galillee Wakefield, RI 401-783-4613 or 866-783-7340 (toll free) Email: info@blockislandferry.com

Martha's Vineyard Ferry Service Vineyard Fast Ferry Service between Quonset Point, RI and Oak Bluffs, MV www.vineyardfastferry.com Address: 1347 Roger Williams Way North Kingstown, Rhode Island 401-295-4040 Email: info@vineyardfastferry.com

See
Educational tours are offered daily. Call the Secretary of State’s office and schedule a tour: (401) 222-2357
 * Rhode Island State House was designed by the New York firm of McKim, Mead & White, the State House is sculpted from white Georgia marble and sits atop Smith Hill in downtown Providence. Construction took nine years to complete, beginning in 1895 and finishing in 1904.

 * Art:

Address: 224 Benefit Street Providence, Rhode Island 02903 Phone: 401-454-6500 Web Site: http://www.risdmuseum.org./visit
 * RISD Museum of Art was founded in 1877 as a part of the Rhode Island School of Design. The museum is the home of 84,000 works of arts from various time periods. The museum thrives on its diversity, creative and cultural expression and its consistency to open new exhibits.

General Admission Members, children under 5: free Adults:	$10 Senior citizens (age 62+):	$7 Youths (ages 5-18):	$3 RISD, Brown students, faculty, staff:	free College students with valid ID:	$3 Address: 80 Washington St. Providence, Rhode Island 02903 Phone: 401-277-5000 Web Site: http://www.uri.edu/prov/missionvision/urbanarts/currentgallery.html Handicap Service: Contact property for current services
 * Handicap/Wheelchair accessible
 * University of Rhode Island Providence Campus Gallery presents work from professional and community artists in themed exihibts on subjects such as culture, human rights, breast cancer awareness etc.

Address: 220 Weybosset Street Providence, Rhode Island 02903 Phone: 401-421-2787 Web Site: http://www.ppacri.org Handicap Service: Complete Wheel Chair Access
 * Providence Performing Arts Center (PPAC) is a historic theater built in 1928 as a Loew's Movie Palace. This is R.I.’s home for Broadway productions, children shows and popular entertainment.

Do
Providence, Rhode Island 02903 Phone: 401-453-4446 ext 200 Web Site: http://www.imax.com/providence Handicap Service: Complete Wheel Chair Access, Special Arrangements Upon Request, Communication Devices for the Deaf 276 Westminster St. Providence, Rhode Island 02903 Phone: 401-351-0353 Handicap Service: Contact property for current services
 * Imax Theatre located in the Providence Place Mall is Rhode Island’s only Imax theatre housing a 6 story high screen. The theatre is home of various films such as educational, current entertaining films and the most popular 3-D films.
 * The Providence Black Repertory Company is a creative home that celebrates the contributions of African-American artists throughout history.

Learn
Address: 45 Prospect St. Providence, Rhode Island 02912 Phone: 401-863-1000 Web Site: http://www.brown.edu Handicap Service: Contact property for current services
 * Brown University is an international university devoted to teaching, research and public service, serving undergraduates, graduate, and medical students.

Address: 8 Abbott Park Place Providence, Rhode Island 02903 Phone: 401-598-1000 Handicap Service: Contact property for current services
 * Johnson &Wales is a Private, non-profit, regionally accredited University offering undergraduate and graduate degree programs in business, food service, hospitality and technology.

Buy
Address: One Providence Place, Providence, RI, 09203 Phone: 401-270-1000 Website:http://www.providenceplace.com/
 * Providence Place Mall is downtown’s primary source of dining and entertainment, movies, sales, events, programs, and shopping! It is comprised of three floors consisting of 2 movie theatres, more than 100 stores, kiosks, and more.

Nightlife
FRIDAY NIGHT CONCERT SERIES KICKS OFF AT WATERPLACE PARK IN JUNE :Free, summer concert series for all Rhode Islanders features an eclectic array of performers ranging from jazz and folk to hip-hop and rock.
 * Water Place Park: is connected to 3/4 mile of cobblestone-paved pedestrian walkways along the waterfront known as Riverwalk. host to Providence's popular summertime Waterfire events, a series of bonfires lit on the river accompanied by Classical and World music.

-Ultra The Night Club: Located at 172 Pine St., Providence RI, For VIP call 401-454-LIVE x3
 * Popular Clubs:

-Lupo’s Heartbreak Hotel: Located 79 Washington St. Providence, RI, Call 401-331-LUPO

-Jerky’s Bar: Located 71 Richmond St., Providence, RI, 02903

-Tantric Lounge: 1070 North Main Street, Providence, RI, 02904, Call 401-273-1070

-Roxy Providence: 79 Washington St, Providence, RI, 02903, Call 401-831-ROXY

Sleep

 * Providence Marriot Downtown Hotel: Address-1 Orms St, Providence, RI 02904. For reservations: 866-384-4011, Phone: 401-272-2400. Email: esprovidence@marriotprovidence.com

Website: http://www.providencebiltmore.com/
 * Providence Biltmore Hotel: Address-11 Dorrance St, Providence, RI 02903. For reservations call: 800-294-7709. Call: 401-421-0700

 * Westin Providence: Address-1 West Exchange St, Providence, RI, 02903. Special offer reservations: 1-866-716-8121. Phone: 401-598-8000. Website: http://deals.westin.com/Westin-Providence-Hotel-1049/so.htm?PS=PS_aa_NorthBosChi_Google_Westin_Providence_Exact_51710_NAD_FM

 * Hilton: Address- 21 Atwells Ave, Providence, RI, 02903. Phone: 1-401-831-3900. Website: http://www1.hilton.com/en_US/hi/hotel/PVDPRHF-Hilton-Providence-Rhode-Island/index.do

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Merge to Providence
Is this a district of Providence? If so, it should be linked to from the Providence article, and renamed Providence/Federal Hill per our Project:Article naming conventions. As of now, this is an orphan and the content is not reachable through any navigation on the site. I'm not sure Providence needs districts, so I recommend we merge this content to there. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Peterfitzgerald (talk • contribs)

 * Yes, it is a district of Providence. I made links to it from the Providence page and both times they disappeared from that page the next day, am I doing something wrong? Also, how can I make a link for the page that is already compiled and put that on Providence.  Lastly, the city of Providence does indeed have diverse districts that are much more than a simple side note on the city's page. For example, there is also a College Hill district link on the Providence page and, not to be petty, but shouldn't that be erased and merged with Providence too?  —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 68.0.192.69 (talk • contribs)

 * Well, these Providence districts have sat around long enough without anyone seeming to want to merge them back to the city article, so I'll give these a quick mos. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:13, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Cleanup
Needs to be cleaned big time --(WT-en) RhinestoneRiver 01:11, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

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I don't think Pita Pit is THE place to go if you're visiting Provo. —The preceding comment was added by 216.194.117.6 (talk • contribs) 08:26, 10 December 2005

ditto - removed. —The preceding comment was added by 24.2.75.74 (talk • contribs) 07:56, 20 May 2006

Remaining tasks
On a cursory inspection, this looks like a nice guide. A map is needed. What other things should be done before this article is ready for a Dotm nomination? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:34, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I can do a static WV styled map but will require a source file. --Saqib (talk) 17:37, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I was just going to start a new thread like this, forgetting that this thread has existed since 2013. The article still needs a map, either a static map or, if we do a dynamic one, Geo for the rest of the points of interest. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:02, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Political Leanings
The references to Provo's apparent political leanings seem out of place in a travel guide, and should be removed. —The preceding comment was added by User:Kylrth (talk • contribs) 16:39, 07 May 2017

 * It depends. Politics is not completely divorced from our articles because it can provide important background. Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:12, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

 * I agree with Andrew on this. Mentioning it is not bad. Dwelling on it would be bad. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:28, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

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info required re trains from Przemysi to Lvov

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Talk:Pskov

Moscow Times article on Pskov, in English: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/beyond_moscow/pskov.html

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Talk:Puʻuhonua o Hōnaunau National Historical Park

Comments
Ooops... got this all done and then realized there is no sleeping allowed in the Park. That is a primary guideline for what gets an article. Maybe this should have been put under the town? It does list National Parks as something that gets an article at Project:What is an article?. (WT-en) OldPine 19:21, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
 * I think this looks fine as a stand-alone article. It would be a pretty huge Do or Get out. Others may disagree though ;-) (WT-en) Maj 08:40, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
 * This is a tricky one. On one hand, I've been there and I can tell you it is quite small (you can see the whole park within a few hours). However, it seems like there's too much to just be a Do or Get out listing, and it's too far from a city or town with its own article. So I think giving this park its own article will be okay, at least for now. (WT-en) PerryPlanet 21:34, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
 * We're quite inconsistent in our handling of United States National Parks, but to the extent that there is a policy, it seems to "allow" for creation of articles for places like this, although it doesn't "require" them (as it does for parks where you really can sleep). It's been a while since I've been to this park, but my memory of it doesn't include a full-service town nearby, so I'd say leave the article in place, at least for now. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:01, 13 June 2007 (EDT)


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If it is merged back with AShdown forest won't it be masses of information for daytrippers or people just coming down from London or whatever to swade through? also; people may take lunch with them. What do people think???

 * Our goal is not to have a complete directory of (for example) pubs and inns of Ashdown Forest, but a list of recommended places. So there's no reason it would have to overwhelm the main article for that destination. Remember: we're a travel guide, not a phone book or an encyclopedia. :) - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 20:34, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

I haven't been to all the resturants or pubs in ashdown forest (yet) thus I am unable to make a decent guess on what is good or not

Ill keep trying though

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Pucon Oficial website www.pucon.com

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Talk:Pudong International Airport

I added some content to the Pudong page after a nightmare experience trying to transit there. I hope it came off as more of a useful warning than a rant. The airport itself was quite nice.

Starting on an empty page for an airport made me think that perhaps we need an Airport Template. The blank headings in the Pudong page were just my first thoughts on such a template. I guess there is a danger of having too many templates, but some people will only ever see the airport in a given city or country and specific information on how to deal with the airport, or pass the time on a layover migth be helpful. Any thoughts? --(WT-en) ted 16:08 24 Feb 2004 (JST)

 * I think that what you've written about Pudong International Airport is quite accurate, and not mean-spirited at all. I think it might also make sense to note the lack of English language directions there... It's a real pain to find your way from Pudong to Shanghai without at least some knowledge of Chinese characters.  That said it is actually a nice, if small airport.

 * The customs and baggage stuff is actually similar at hub airports in the U.S. for what it worth.

 * In fact I've been thinking a lot about how it would be useful for travelers for Major Hub Airports had their own pages. For instance, lots of people spend time at O'Hare International Airport without having Chicago as their destination.  I've been to Frankfort International Airport at least a half dozen times, and have never been to Frankfort.  Travelers need hub info.-- (WT-en) Mark 04:55, 24 Feb 2004 (EST)

 * We've specifically not been doing airport pages. We normally don't assign a page to "stuff in a city" -- restaurants, bars, museums, airports, etc. (See Project:What is an article?). When we've had airport pages added in the past, we generally move the content to the "Get in" section of the city page.

 * That said, I do see the angle on hubs and layovers. I'm kinda concerned that this is a slippery slope, though. --(WT-en) Evan 11:38, 24 Feb 2004 (EST)

 * I hope it's not, as I wouldn't want my support of Hub Airport pages to be seen as support of pages for Joe's Bar or whatever. To me it really makes a lot of sense for big airports to be treated like destinations, 'cause the big hub airports are clearly different destinations than the major cities to which most of them attach.  Maybe think of it in terms of the print-out:  I as a traveler might be spending an afternoon at a hub airport.  I want to know where stuff is, and how much hassle to expect with various activities, so I want to print the page out, and have it with me.  I might also want to know about the nearby city, or I might not depending on the Hub Airport page's advice about how easy and time consuming it is to get to that city.

 * In fact most hub airports do have all of the stuff which would qualify as a neighborhood if they were in a city: Hotels, bars, restaurants, cafes, police, and entertainment.  So maybe it should be done like that.  I would still like to have a routing page for all of the hubs so that they are easy to find. -- (WT-en) Mark 11:52, 24 Feb 2004 (EST)

 * I'd just like to second Mark's wish for pages for major airports. Pulling this stuff out to its own page would make the city pages themselves more accessible and less cluttered. Again, think of the print out. You don't want the airport stuff most of the time. Some airports would qualify as cities/towns in their own right. Like Mark, and I think many other travellers, I've spent significant amounts of time in airports like Kimpo, Changi, O'Hare, LAX, and Schipol (sp?) without any intention of visiting the city as part of that trip. I don't think it will become a slippery slope. Just make clear that major airports are significant hubs, and they are not train stations, bars, or anything else. I already started working on a template for airports by adapting the city template. Once I polish it up, I'd like to put it somewhere for work and/or discussion. Maybe I'll copy this discussion to Talk:Article templates and add the template in progress. (WT-en) ted 11:01 25 Feb 2004 (JST)

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I visited Puebla in 2002 and stayed at Del Portal. We got a room (very small balcony) that faced the zocola (we requested that in advance). The rooms don't have air conditioning only fans. Taxis were very inexpensive although we hired a taxi driver for the duration of our stay. We visited the forts which were interesting although we did go on a tour and when we all got inside this underground area they locked the doors behind us. That was a bit disconcerting. I cannot speak Spanish so the tour was unenlightening to me. I was with my husband who can speak Spanish. If you plan to visit the interior of Mexico I highly recommend knowing how to speak Spanish or being with someone who does. We hiked to a store and bought several gallons of water. The hotel provided small bottles but I used the gallon bottles to brush my teeth. A bottle of pepto bismal would be an essential item to take just in case. They did not have wash cloths so fortunately I had taken some dove facial cloths and used those as wash cloths. They did provide towels. Do not eat cooked or raw vegies or fruit unless they can be peeled. Examine the bottle cap of bottled water carefully. Sometimes the locals reuse the bottles so be sure that the cap is secure. None of the taxis had AC. If you have a backpack the locals can spot you as a tourist. If you carry a purse wear it around your neck and arm. Although, it is better not to carry one. Stay in populated areas. We walked down one street that was a bit scarey but a local police person walked down the street coming the other way or I think we might have gotten mugged. If you have on a diamond wedding ring turn the ring so the diamond doesn't show. Although, it is better not to wear valuables while out. At night the nicer restaurants prefer their patrons to dress nicer than just wearing jeans. Wearing shorts is another way locals can tell you are a tourist. We took a bus from the Mexico City airport (highly recommended) and the bus took us to a bus station where there were numerous taxis. We got in a taxi to take us to our hotel. The taxis are so inexpensive that it was safer and less expensive to use public transportation than to rent a car. A relative that lived in Mexico City wrote the following: "As far as the taxis go - DO NOT take the green and white VW beetles.  A lot of the crimes and kidnappings take place with those cabs mainly because the occupant doesn't have an easy exit from the vehicle and they aren't all registered.  Only take "Sitio" taxis - they are red or red and white and four door.  If staying in a hotel, someone working the front desk will most likely be able to call and arrange for a cab to pick you up. I don't know if that applies to Puebla or not. Although the driver we hired did have a radio. We got brave a few times and did get in a black VW private taxi. One ride was very exciting (we had a driver that was extremely creative in avoiding traffic) and if we hadn't already had a driver I would have asked him to be our driver the entire time.

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Prices
I'm not sure if it is a good idea all the prices since everything listed on this page seems out of date —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 68.229.52.161 (talk • contribs)

Buy
Regarding this edit, obviously I meant that currency is not a standard top-level header. My mistake. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:00, 30 April 2010 (EDT)

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