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Thanks so much! (WT-en) Gxysgdao 14:03, 30 August 2011 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Gymboy689

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User talk:(WT-en) Gynekolog

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Thank you for contributing to Ethiopia, Adama and Morocco. -- (WT-en) Huttite 23:00, 25 Jun 2005 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Gzdavidwong

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User talk:(WT-en) Gzsilavecz

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And less formally, nice to have you here at last and thanks for the images. Cheers, (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 15:34, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

Nice panoramas of Windmill, must have been a lovely day. Cheers, (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 14:46, 11 October 2010 (EDT)

Sandy Cove looks a bit unfamiliar in the panorama, was the tide high? Nice pic though. Cheers, (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 12:50, 18 October 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) H2b1

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-- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 06:53, 19 August 2007 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) H2Otraveller

Welcome to Wikivoyage, H2Otraveller! I'm glad to see the helpful edits you are making to Potlatch and Hoodsport. Please keep it up! If you have questions, you can refer to the Project:Tips for new contributors and the Project:Manual of style. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 18:10, 2 March 2008 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) H4ck3rm1k3

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Please have a read of this, and you will see that map services are in the list of sites that Wikivoyage specifically does not link to. If you want to create a Wikivoyage style map from OSM, you can learn more about that here and here. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 04:12, 19 April 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Haa

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User talk:(WT-en) Hadavis2

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I don't really understand why you're doing an article on Peoria, Illinois on your home page. Maybe you need to move it to Peoria? --(WT-en) Evan 20:57, 1 Jan 2004 (PST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Hadsie

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User talk:(WT-en) Haem85

Welcome
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Thank you for contributing to Louisville and Ann Arbor, as Tom says on your User page, and also for the contributions to Holland (Michigan). -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 21:43, 4 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Thank you for contributing to Louisville and Ann Arbor. It might also be helpful to see Links to Wikipedia as we try not to use inline links to Wikipedia. Again, welcome and thank you for your help. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 12:34, 6 March 2006 (EST)

Swansboro
Great job on Swansboro! It's so exciting to see a new guide take off like that. Kudos! (WT-en) Majnoona 17:04, 14 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Wow Maj, thanks a bunch! I'm honored that you liked it, and very glad to meet you :) (WT-en) Haem85 05:13, 15 April 2006 (EDT)

Richwood
Nicely done on Richwood (West Virginia) - it's unusual to see an article become usable in just one edit. I've created a disambiguation page for Richwood since there seem to be several in the US. -- (WT-en) Ryan 15:44, 1 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Thanks! Also for the disambig page, that's very helpful... at some point I need to go back and make them for several of the towns in West Virginia. -- (WT-en) Haem85 16:45, 1 June 2006 (EDT)

Heh
This made me laugh. I've de-linked it to prevent joke articles, but I think it's irreverent enough to be worth leaving in the page. Nicely done. -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:45, 3 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Ha, good! I debated including it, but in the end I couldn't resist. De-linking was a smart idea! -- (WT-en) Haem85 14:49, 3 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Hades would make for a great DotM for the next April Fools Day. Somebody remember that. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 15:00, 3 July 2006 (EDT)

Wikivoyage ToC
You had some comments about Wikivoyage table-of-contents placement, so I wanted to solicit your opinion about the new format. If you have a chance, please let me know what you think here. --(WT-en) Evan 12:47, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

West Virginia organization
Courtesy of (WT-en) Fastestdogever, we now have region pages for West Virginia; I'd like to see all the information get better organized. In particular, there should only be 5–9 cities/towns listed per article, especially on the main WV page, as per the 7±2 rule. The ones on the main article should be the 5–9 most important for the traveler, but unfortunately I don't really know what should take priority aside from Morgantown and Charleston. It seems like you know your WV, would you care to help out? --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 10:58, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

A2 indents
If the article's up for Star status, it's gotta follow the MOS exactly, so the extra indents had to go. Sorry. :) - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 14:43, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

Cropping SVGs
...is not necessary (or possible in most editors), just upload the whole shebang. (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:35, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Huh! Well, thanks for the tip - I'll just toss the whole thing up then :) -- (WT-en) Haem85 03:47, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Hagi999

Hello, Hagi999! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Hi! Thank you for your edits in Freistadt. Please have a look at our style guidelines and keep up the work. (WT-en) jan 07:06, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Hahaha

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Nice skyline photo! Please note that we usually upload to Wikivoyage Shared so that the photos can be used by all language versions. See link at left. Thanks for contributing! -- (WT-en) OldPine 07:06, 3 December 2007 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Hahahasamuri

Welcome
Please see our guidelines on advertising and tour listings. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:03, 7 October 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Haifsich

Hello Haifsich! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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You may also want to check out Project:Welcome, business owners – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 03:35, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Haikiba

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I see you have been with us for some time and have not been formally welcomed before. Thank you for your contributions. Every little bit helps. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:45, 27 Dec 2004 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Hailey C. Shannon

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage. You can edit your preferences to change how the software works for you. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to our wiki software, MediaWiki, look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to edit a page. If you need help, check out the help desk, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.-- (WT-en) Sapphire 18:01, 13 October 2006 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Haiya1984

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Wikivoyage is not an advertising service
I removed the content from your user page because it appeared to be an advertisement/personal ad. Moreover, it appears that you are trying to use this site to offer inappropriate services. You are more than welcome to use your user page to tell us about yourself, but wikivoyage is not a personal home page service for non-contributing users. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 20:03, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Hajarpamundi

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User talk:(WT-en) HaJo

Hello!

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Would you please clarify the copyright status of Image:Hildesheim Michaeliskirche.jpg? We need to know who owns the image as required by the CC-by-SA 1.0 license (Full text of CC-by-SA 1.0). -- (WT-en) Sapphire 13:16, 9 November 2006 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Haka Expeditions

Hello, Haka Expeditions! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Please also read our welcome page for businesses owners carefully - we generally don't like business owners dumping their links all over the place, without adding useful information to their entries, as in your case - price range, season, number of departures, office address and telephone number as well as a neutral non touting overview of what your tours offer. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 23:52, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Hakan

Welcome
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User talk:(WT-en) Halbmacht

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User talk:(WT-en) Halcins

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage. You can edit your preferences to change how the software works for you. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to our wiki software, MediaWiki, look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to edit a page. If you need help, check out the help desk, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. ::: (WT-en) Cacahuate 06:09, 19 January 2007 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Halcyon

Hi! Immediately stop touting our articles! See external links and welcome, business owners too. All your edits have been reverted. (WT-en) jan 06:55, 19 July 2010 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Halcyon999

Welcome
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Thank you for contributing to New Forest and welcome to Wikivoyage. --(WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 07:31, 31 March 2006 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Halhumphreys

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Halibutt

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

If you are going to be doing a lot of work on Poland, please have a look at how to de-factbook a country page.

If you have previously edited articles in Wikipedia, there are some style differences you should be aware of.

Welcome and thanks for your contributions so far. -- (WT-en) Huttite 22:14, 9 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * I copied the essential content of your Editing User:Halibutt/Warsaw article to Warsaw. Feel free to experiment in your user space, but what you had written about Warsaw was really good and should be part of the main article, so everyone can enjoy your work. -- (WT-en) Huttite 08:48, 11 Apr 2004 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Hallipa

Hi Hallipa,

Nice work on Brasov so far. I notice you added it to the Main Page though, and I had to change it back -- have a look at the guidelines about what should go there. The main page only really features articles that are pretty complete, and also we tend to only put other people's articles there. However, Brasov is looking really good and has all the major sections there -- once you've filled more of them in I hope someone will notice your hard work and add Brasov back to the main page ;)

There's a bunch of useful links for newcomers too, but it looks like you've seen some of them, judging from Brasov:
 * Welcome
 * Copyleft
 * Policies and guidelines
 * Manual of style
 * article templates

You can get extra info in the travellers' pub.

(WT-en) Hypatia 15:09, 30 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * Actually I might just Brasov based on your work on this page. That said, I think that (WT-en) Hypatia is quite right that it needs just a bit more work before it goes on the front page, but not very much really.

 * For me personnally I am really glad that you have done such a good job on the Sleep section. If you can do just a tiny bit of work on the Eat and Contact sections I'll re-add Brasov to the Main Page myself, even if it means bumping Geneva, OK?

 * Actually the Eat section is kindof important to me, since as a vegitarian I'm a bit apprensive about traveling in eastern Europe. -- (WT-en) Mark 15:58, 30 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Hey guys,

I have just started editing the page a couple of weeks ago and then today. Most of the stuff was there before, excluding some parts of Getting in, Getting around, See and Do, and also some pictures. Anyway, I'm on it and hope to finish it up in the next few days.

Again, many thanks.

Regards, Hallipa

 * You're welcome. Have fun ;) -- (WT-en) Hypatia 16:03, 30 Oct 2004 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Halsteadk

Welcome
Hello Halsteadk! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thank you for contributing to Switzerland and United Kingdom and let me extend my personal welcome. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 13:45, 15 Feb 2006 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Halx

Hello Halx! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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 * Great work on fixing up Tokyo/Odaiba! If you're in a good mood and have some time to spare, please consider listing-ifying the entries. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:07, 20 November 2007 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Ham619

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User talk:(WT-en) Hambobway

Vandalism
For your own sake, grow up or it's a Ban nomination! (WT-en) Nrms 10:10, 1 March 2010 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Ham ham hamilton

Hello Ham ham hamilton! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Hampry

Success of a business venture depends largely on the role of a supplier or suppliers. Companies that manufacture products depend on the suppliers for raw materials and those, which are engaged in trading business wait for supply of finished goods. A proper supply chain is very essential for the profitability of a business concern. One needs to have a good supplying capacity before starting trading or manufacturing business. In a nutshell, a business is as good as its supply chain.

If you are a company-owner, eyeing business operation in a new place, then before starting your activities you must have a thorough idea about the availability of suppliers there. You must find out the best suppliers in the city or town that you are planning to include in your area of operation. You must identify the best persons in the trade, interact with then and then only you can proceed with your plans. But how will you find a supplier in a city or town, which is entirely unknown to you?

Well the answer to this question is not so difficult as it appears to be. Thanks to the rapid progress of science and technology, no place is unknown these days and no distance is too long. Today there is internet through which one can communicate with another person living in a completely different corner of the world within a flash. From Delhi to Dusseldorf, Mumbai to Montreal and Kolkata to Cape Town, people are interacting with each other through internet.

Internet has indeed changed the definition of communication and like other sectors it has made its impact felt on in the business world too. Today there are B2B portals (business-to-business) that have been specially designed to serve the business-class people. There are hundreds of B2B portals on the web that have helped different entities of business like suppliers, buyers, sellers, dealers, manufacturers etc to come closer. Today a manufacturer in California or a trader in Texas can communicate with its supplier in Kolkata within seconds, thanks to the Kolkata-based B2B portals.

Kolkata is a city that has steady business relations with a number of international companies. There are lots of traders and manufacturers in different parts of the world who depend largely on supply of goods from Kolkata. The availability of adequate supply has even encouraged lots of companies to launch their businesses here. As a manufacturer or a trader you too may launch your operation in Kolkata because the city is home to billions of people with high buying capacity. But before starting operation in the city you need to find out the suppliers in the city from whom you can get your raw materials or products. You need not to worry because the Kolkata-based B2B portals are there to help you out.

The Kolkata-based B2B portals are like electronic yellow pages from where you can get all kinds of information related to business. Just make a query and the information will be displayed on your screen within seconds. If you are trying to find out a supplier in Kolkata just search for it and the portal will provide you with a long list of names that are involved with supplying of different types of raw materials and products to companies.

Just like manufacturers and traders who look for good suppliers, the suppliers too need people to do business with. As communicating through B2B portals has been proved to be much easier than other mediums, these days, suppliers are enlisting their names on these portals. There are several Kolkata-based B2b portals that offer free listing facilities to people. If you are a supplier in Kolkata and want people to find you out, you can enlist your name and your complete profile on any of these city-based B2B portals. Whenever someone will search in the portal for suppliers of goods or products that you deal with, your name will appear on the list. Other than data, some Kolkata-based B2B portals offer advanced interactive tools like free SMS, live chat and e-mail. You not only can find the name of a supplier in Kolkata but can also interact with him by using these tools.

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a-dori''', which is a bustling narrow street several blocks to the north.Harajuku practice page

For the young and fashionable teenager, spending time in Harajuku (原宿) on the weekends is practically a necessity. Even older folks will want to visit the area, though, to see Meiji Jingu shrine and Yoyogi Park.

Understand

The broad, tree-lined avenue leading downhill from the southern end of the JR station is Omote-sandō (表参道), which leads to the upscale Aoyama district. The street is full of cafes and clothing stores. For teenagers, though, the place to be is '''Takeshit

Nearby Yoyogi Park (代々木公園 Yoyogi-kōen) was the site of the first successful powered aircraft flight in Japan, on December 19, 1910, by Captain Yoshitoshi Tokugawa, following which it became an army parade ground. During the postwar occupation, it was the site of the Washington Heights residence for U.S. officers. It later was selected as the site for the 1964 Tokyo Olympics, and the distinctive Olympic buildings designed by Kenzo Tange are still nearby. In 1967, it was made into a city park. Today, the park is a popular hangout, especially on Sundays, when it is used as a gathering place for people to play music, practice martial arts, etc. The park has a bike path, and bicycle rentals are available. As a consequence of Japan's long recession, there are several large, but surprisingly quiet and orderly, homeless camps around the park's periphery.

By train
JR Harajuku Station on the Yamanote Line is the obvious way to get to Harajuku. The station is very conveniently located next to both the entrance to Meiji Jingu and the beginning of Omote-Sando.

By subway
Despite the name, the Chiyoda and Fukutoshin subway line Meiji-jingu-mae station is in Harajuku. The station is a little further down Omote-sando, but the subway is better than JR for getting here from central Tokyo. Naturally enough, Omotesando interchange is also on Omote-sando, and you can reach this via the Metro Ginza and Hanzomon lines as well.

On foot
Harajuku is only 15 minutes away from Shibuya by foot, just follow the train tracks along Koen-dori from Hachiko. If you have more time, see the suggested walking tour below.

Youth culture

If it's Harajuku's youth culture you want to see, don't even bother unless it's a Sunday. Each group stakes out its territory around Yoyogi Park (代々木公園 Yoyogi-kōen).

 * The bridge across the train tracks is full of teenagers dressed up as Gothic Lolita and other extreme Japanese youth fashions. Besides just hanging out with friends, many come here to be snapped by one of the many magazine photographers who mingle.
 * Over by the entrance to the park, people with greasy hair listen to rockabilly music and dance in their vintage jeans. This subculture has been around for twenty years now.
 * The sidewalks along the south side are usually occupied by junk vendors and loud rock bands. Both of these groups periodically get swept away by police crack-downs, though.
 * The tree-lined area leading from the south end of the park to Shibuya is filled with all sorts of street performers, mostly folk-pop singers, but also including hip-hop dancing and street theater.

Shrines
Meiji Jingū (明治神宮), built in commemoration of Emperor Meiji in 1920, is Tokyo's grandest shrine. Like all of Japan's major shrines, it's large in scale but simple in structure, entered via a winding path and through a giant torii gate. On summer weekends you have a very good chance of catching a Japanese wedding in progress here; the shrine is also packed on New Year's Eve when people come here to celebrate the new year. Free entrance.

In springtime, Yoyogi Park is full of cherry blossoms and people partying under the trees.

Walking tour: Harajuku to Shibuya
An interesting and recommended walk will let you experience Harajuku and Shibuya, and all of the trendy places in between.

Starting from the Takeshita exit (竹下口) of JR Harajuku station, walk straight away from the station down Takeshita-dori (竹下通り), where you will almost certainly run into the mingling pedestrian crowds. When you reach the first major crossroad, Meiji-dori (明治通り), turn right. When you reach Omote-sandō, turn left. Here you will enjoy the tree-lined streets and pass by stores with some of the latest in fashion, and perhaps, as this author experienced, pass by a large open-air banquet area where a loudspeaker declares someone man and wife, and lets the whole world know about it.

When you reach Aoyama-Dori (青山通り), turn right, and you will pass United Nations University on your right, and Aoyama Gakuin University on your left, before continuing down and finishing up at Shibuya's world-famous pedestrian crossing.

Allow yourself approximately two hours for this walk.

Buy

Takeshita-dōri (竹下通り), north of Omote-Sando starting from the Takeshita exit of JR Harajuku, is Tokyo's preteen haven guaranteed to fill any adult's Hello Kitty quota in milliseconds. Lately it's been nudging towards an older age bracket though, and now also caters to angsty teens looking for frilly Victorian Goth clothing or black lipstick.

Omote-sandō (表参道) caters to those with more adult or at least more expensive tastes, especially as you head towards the eastern Aoyama end.

 * A small collection of specialist shops that sell authentic (and fiercely expensive) antiques. For serious antique lovers only.

 * Condomania, . In a tiny triangular building at the intersection of Omote-sando and Meiji-dori, this specializes in exactly what you'd think.

 * Omotesando Hills, 4-12-10 Jingumae, . Designed by Takao Ando and built by Mori Building of Roppongi Hills fame, this is a super-chic shopping mall that caters to those "independent, style-conscious urbanites" (to quote the site) who couldn't possibly wear anything except the latest fashions or eat chocolates not prepared by a famous Parisian patissier. For the rest of us, it's still an interesting browse, and the restaurants on the top floor may be worth a splurge for a light lunch.

 * Oriental Bazaar, 5-9-13 Jingu-mae. A kitchy Tokyo institution for tourists and expats alike, with four floors of shopping stocking everything from kamikaze T-shirts to foreigner-sized kimonos.  Still, this is definitely the easiest way to get your souvenir shopping done.  The Bazaar is housed in an instantly recognizable building with a faux-Chinese temple roof.

Eat
Omote-sando has occasionally been dubbed the Champs-Elysées of Tokyo, which is true at least for the general price level of the trendy cafes and eateries along the road.

The must-eat item of Takeshita-dori is the Harajuku crêpe. It's a treat of a fresh-made crêpe rolled into a cone and stuffed mostly with whipped cream and other goodies such as strawberries, chocolate, even whole slices of cheesecake. Just stroll down the street and you will see four or five different shops. Most flavors cost less than ¥500.

Budget

 * Shakey's Pizza 6-1-10 Jingumae. Shakey's Pizza has an all-you-can-eat lunch buffet for ¥750 daily except Sunday.  If you've never had seaweed, pickled ginger or fruit salad in your pizza, this is the place to try it.

 * Tenya (てんや), the fast-food tempura chain, has an outlet on Meiji-dori just to the north of the Meiji-dori/Omote-sando intersection. ¥500 for a bowl.

 * Kebab Box J 1-8-8 Jingumae (on Meiji-dori between Takeshita-dori and Omote-sando), 03-3470-0706. 10:30 AM to 9:00 PM.  Whereas most doner kebabs in Tokyo are served out of a van, Kebab Box J's store is firmly attached to the ground.  Friendly staff wears cowboy hats.  Chicken or beef kebabs, ¥500.

 * Kyushu Jangara (九州じゃんがら) 1-13-21 Jingumae (top of Omote-Sando street, right by the intersection) 03-3404-5572. One of the best-known tonkotsu ramen shops in Tokyo, where you can choose between five degrees of noodle thickness, three levels of soup texture, and three levels of soup fattiness. All for a simple bowl of noodles. Branches in Ginza, Akihabara, and other locations.

 * Sakuratei (go down Takeshita street and make a left after the hair salon 2010 sign. It is behind the red Design Festa Art Gallery. A great Okonomiyaki restaurant where many local artists work. An all you can eat course is around 1300yen for 2 hours.

Splurge

 * Restaurant Kinoshita 3-37-1 Yoyogi Shibuya-ku (northwest side of Yoyogi Park; Odakyu Sangubashi station or JR Yoyogi station) 03-3376-5336. 12:00 to 2:00 PM, 6:00 to 9:00 PM, closed Mon and third Tues.  Kinoshita makes eating French food in Japan justifiable.  Some say that with its underpriced menu, dinner courses for ¥3800-¥7000, and weekday lunches for ¥1800, this restaurant is the best kept secret in Tokyo.  But in fact it is popular, and reservations are mandatory.  Menu in French and Japanese.

 * Fonda de la Madrugada, 2-33-12 Jingumae Shibuya-ku, 03-5410-6288, . Mon-Thu Sun 5:30 PM to 2:00 AM, Fri Sat 5:30 PM to 5:00 AM. Located in a cavernous basement, Fonda de la Madrugada is regarded as one of the best Mexican food restaurants in Tokyo.  Menu in English, Spanish and Japanese.  Expect to pay around ¥5000 per person for meal, drinks and the 10% service charge.

 * Matsunoya→　Harajuku's good Soba reataurant. Tel 03-3403-2636

Drink

 * Binimaru, 2-31-7 Jingumae Shibuya-ku (10 min. walk from JR Harajuku station's Takeshita exit), 03-5411-1209, (in Japanese). 7:00 PM to 2:00 AM, closed Sun.  Nice selection of Belgian bottled beers, all are available in 750 mL (25 floz) bottles, good for sharing with a friend.  ¥1000-1200 for single serving bottle, around ¥2000 for 750 mL (25 floz) bottle.

 * Kit Cat Cafe We can eat Japanese food here, and many kinds of alchol. We almost can drink coffee. Tel 03-5485-1310

Sleep

 * Shinjyuku Park Hotel　It is near by Shinjuku station. Tokyo Jym and Roppongi are near by this hotel too.

Get out

 * Shibuya is within walking distance if you're still in the mood for more teenybopping.

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So, first of all, thanks so much for the German phrasebook (well, the beginnings -- there's a lot more phrases to do in the phrasebook template, but we're getting there). One thing I'm wondering about is the GFDL agreements. I think we need some more discussion about this on Wikivoyage -- it's obviously useful for other sites to let our work be also licensed under the GFDL, but there are some difficulties. I'm gonna start a page on dual licensing, which I hope you can contribute to. -- (WT-en) Evan 07:23, 2 Nov 2003 (PST)

OK, then I'll wait for more details in dual licensing -- (WT-en) Hansm 08:04, 2003 Nov 2 (PST)

 * OK, so, Project:dual licensing is done. Please check there for details on how to label your articles as dual-licensed. I'd appreciate it if you could take the GFDL license statements you added today off the articles themselves and add them to the Talk: pages instead. I can do it if you don't want to or have time to. -- (WT-en) Evan 09:58, 2 Nov 2003 (PST)

Please see Project:Internal links for how to do a "See also" section. -- (WT-en) Evan 07:22, 12 Nov 2003 (PST)

 * OK,Evan. But there is not yet an appropriate text where I could have placed the EU link.

 * Right. That's why you do a "See also: Link 1, Link 2 " at the end of the section or article. The " =See Also= " stuff is what I'm talking about. -- (WT-en) Evan 07:33, 12 Nov 2003 (PST)

Hans, I responded to your question about itineraries on Project:Itinerary article template. (WT-en) Akubra 11:15, 18 Apr 2004 (EDT)

German Wikivoyage
So, it looks like we've got a critical mass of people ready to make the German Wikivoyage Expedition happen. Are you still interested? --(WT-en) Evan 15:30, 9 Aug 2004 (EDT)

 * Yes, Evan. I've just returned from 4 weeks of holidays ;-)

Wikivoyage-Übersetzungen
Hallo Hans,

wenn es geht, werde ich mir die Dinge weiter ansehen. Leider habe ich derzeit ein wenig Prüfungsstress und fast keine Zeit. Deswegen habe ich mich auch nicht bei der deutschen Expedition eingetragen. Ich habe zwar Lust, hin und wieder was beizutragen, kann aber nicht zuverlässig und dauerhaft dabei sein ...

ciao, --(WT-en) zeno 17:26, Sep 16, 2004 (EDT)

 * May we talk German here? - Egal, jetzt. Geht mir ähnlich. Habe zwar keine Prüfungen, aber meine Zeit ist nicht endlos. Im Moment kann ich einiges tun und möchte die Sache voran bringen, aber nächste Woche kann es schon ganz anders aussehen. Ich hoffe einfach, dass dann irgend jemand anderes die Sache weiter bringt. Wir werden sehen, schlimmsten Falls dauert's halt einfach noch etwas länger. Auf jeden Fall habe ich die Wahlen zu Go-Between mal - zugegebenermaßen ziemlich wilkürlich und selbstherrlich - auf 4 Wochen angesetzt. Wir brauchen da wohl etwas mehr Zeit ;-)

 * Auch wenn du jetzt nur sporadisch Zeit hast und sicherlich anders im Kopf hast (haben musst), ich bin wirklich froh für jede Korrektur und Anregung, die du machen kannst. Also, wenn du ab und zu zum Feierabend noch mal ein paar Übersetzungen lesen und korrigieren könntest, wärst du auf jeden Fall schon eine große Hilfe.

 * Ich wünsche Dir alles Gute für deine Prüfungen. Wird schon schief geh'n. -- (WT-en) Hansm 19:48, 2004 Sep 16 (EDT)

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Hans, I hope you'll reconsider putting your name back in the running for go-between. Your English is more than adequate -- if you can communicate with me, you're good enough to do the job.

More important to me is that you've been a Wikivoyager for such a long time, and you understand the "Wikivoyage way". It'd be nice to have an "old hand" working as the go-between. --(WT-en) Evan 13:10, 20 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Thanks, Evan, for the nice words. But there are two reasons against becoming go-between permanenty: 1. Writing in English is still a hard job for me and it runs much less flowently than in my mother tongue German. 2. As you can see in my contribution list, my working style is not continuously enough. If there is other work (this one I earn my money from) to do, it easyly can happen that I cannot contribute for weeks. Being one of 8 German admins, this does not count so much, but as go-between, it's different.

 * Hans, as far as I can see, you almost won the elections for the Go-Between, though you don't want it. As your main problem seem to be your missing english capabilities, let me be your translator. I am not reliable enough to be the Go-Between myself and a bad technician, but you can count on me as a language-assistant. And after a while, when de:wikivoyage took off, you might give the job to someone else, just bring us through the sensitive starting-phase, please. How about that ? (WT-en) Denisoliver 07:09, 27 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Denisoliver, the actual idea was that Evan was going to start up the German Language Version and I would work as "temporary go-between" until the elections are over. But Evan is quite busy at the time, so for now, the go-between is not yet needed. Anyway, consider the amount of work I did in the last two weeks as exceptional. I really want to see the German Wikivoyage taking off, and of course I want to help organizing it later, but I cannot promise to work on it so continuously. At the other hand, if it should turn out that we don't find any go-between in the elections, I could do the job temporarily, but only temporarily. In this case, I would strongly rely on all of you that are much better in writing English. And then, one of my important aims would be to find candidates for the permanent go-between.
 * Concerning the election mode, I fear, the explanations I have copied from the French Wikivoyage Expedition, are very ambiguous. I assume that you wanted to vote for me and I'm going to change the place where you have put your vote.
 * --(WT-en) Hansm 10:32, 2004 Sep 27 (EDT)

Wikivoyage_LanguageDe.php
I think that the file is a great start and that we can leave it this way. Later when we really have to work with it or when new users start to ask questions we will see if there are missunderstandings or something like that and then (at least I hope so) we can still make minor changes to eliminate problems. (WT-en) Cecil 08:53, 21 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Wenig Zeit
Es ist traurig, aber wahr: An diesem Wochenende (2./3.10.2004) habe ich nicht sehr viel Zeit für Wikivoyage. Das ist schade, denn gerade jetzt kurz vor dem Start gibt's ja noch einiges zu tun. -- (WT-en) Hansm 12:02, 2004 Oct 1 (EDT)

 * Bist du grad online? Dann könntest du das Kuddelmuddel der verschiedenen Artikelnamen und Anreden usw entwirren und die Verweise auf andere Sprachen einfügen. Ich übersetze eigentlich lieber. (WT-en) Cecil 15:01, 5 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * OK, Cecil. Bin dabei. So ein richtig gutes Gefühl habe ich dabei nicht, aber ich glaube, ich musste einfach ein paar Entscheidungen treffen, die mir vielleicht der eine oder andere übel nehmen könnte. So habe ich z.B. alle deine How to Artikel mit einem anderen Namen bedacht. Also, wenn du mich machen lässt, werde ich mich mal weiter um die Konsistenz der Artikelnamen und Links kümmern. Werde aber heute nicht mehr zu sehr viel kommen, eher morgen. -- (WT-en) Hansm 15:39, 2004 Oct 5 (EDT)

 * Die Artikelnamen sind mir relativ egal. Solange die "Sie" weg sind, die einfach nicht zum restlichen Text passen. Ich hab ja selbst auch damit angefangen, aber es ist eine langweilige Arbeit, und ausserdem hab ichs gleich wieder geschafft, Artikel im falschen Namespace abzulegen. Also überlass ich dir diese Arbeit voller Freude. :) (WT-en) Cecil 16:03, 5 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * Gut. Dann bin ich beruhigt. Also, dann kannst du noch die Nacht durch übersetzen, und ich klappere dann morgen (nachmittag) möglichst viele Artikel durch und versuche alle Links in Ordnung zu bringen. -- (WT-en) Hansm 16:08, 2004 Oct 5 (EDT)

Go-between report
There hasn't been a go-between report for de: since 3 November 2004. They're supposed to happen once per month. Can you please update the Project:Logbook with recent status on de:? --(WT-en) Evan 12:03, 9 Feb 2005 (EST)

Go-between report
There hasn't been a go-between report for de: since Project:17 March 2005. Could you keep us up to date? Are you still interested in performing this role? --(WT-en) Evan 09:05, 8 Jun 2005 (EDT)

RDF and friends
I've tried to add some more information on Project:RDF, Project:Turtle RDF, and Project:geocoding. Your input welcome! --(WT-en) Evan 20:32, 17 Nov 2005 (EST)

Fork
What's the url for your fork? -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 11:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

 * I only do plan the fork (together with some other wikivoyagers from de:). There is not yet a new site built up and no domain registered. I'm quite sure, it will take some time to get everthing ready to go. Probably not before my hollydays in august. If you want to find out more, please take a look at my (WT-de) German user page. -- (WT-en) Hansm 12:10, 9 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Right, I've seen that, but I thought I came across a url on the DE site which linked to another German wiki site. I thought it was your's, but I guess I was wrong. Thanks. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 12:14, 9 July 2006 (EDT)
 * To be sure we are talking about the same: I do run the URL http://sgh8a.dyndns.org/altwt . But this is not the URL for the project fork, it's just the URL to a small wiki where we plan the fork. -- (WT-en) Hansm 12:37, 9 July 2006 (EDT)
 * That's what I found. Ok, thanks for the clarification. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 12:45, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

Suport for the Fork
I was a wikivoyage user who, although initially excited about the fact that a wiki based travel guide exists, I grew increasingly unhappy with Even and Maj's management style, seems like they are using the comunity development model as a means to an end, rather than out of any genuine commitment to it. The sell off to IB was the final thing that pushed me out, I've not contributed since then. I like what I'm hearing from you about a more comunity managed and non-commercial site. I'd like to contribute in some way, although English is my first language and I don't speak any German. I hope you get an English site up so I can be part of it. Both in terms of editing and money. (WT-en) keithonearth 03:04, 17 August 2006 (EDT)

 * Hi Keithonearth, I'm happy for your support. For now, just a short answer since I'm sitting in a pretty expensive Frensh internet cafe where I'm in hollydays until begining of september. The association is going to be found at the first member's conference at 9-30-2006. We will start the new site in the first weeks of october. Hopefully, we will have then some more information about the association and our further plans even in English. If you like, you can send me a mail (hans.musil@gmx.de) so that I can keep you up to date of our plans. -- (WT-en) Hansm 09:33, 18 August 2006 (EDT)

 * Hi, thanks for the quick responce, I'm not on wikivoyage much these days so just got your message now. I was wondering if there was any progress with Evan on the XML dumps.  I'll send you my email address so you can keep me up to date. (WT-en) keithonearth 17:37, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Hansm/Commercialisation FAQ

Hi Hans. (I just noticed you just removed the content, I hope it's not a breach of wikiquette to go ahead and post a reply anyways). I thought your FAQ was very well presented and cogent. I think most of the has been said before (for example here and here Wikivoyage_talk:Internet_Brands), but I just wanted to have a clear reply to the issues raised in the FAQ:

 * 1) Surprise. As I've stated before, we were not "shopping around". In fact, we've refused a number offers in the past for commercial ventures/partnerships. IB made it clear that they understood our requirements (license, community-based decision making, etc.) before we entered any negotiations. By the time we realized that it was a very good plan for Wikivoyage, we were too far into negotiations to realistically (or legally) solicit community input. As I said before "You can't have 15,000 people in a meeting room."
 * 2) Advertisement. The goals and non-goals still stand and there is not any advertisement on the site (yet). We think there's a big difference between advertisement in the guides and advertisement on the site. We think that ads and content need to be kept strictly separate, and that this non-goal should still stand. Wikivoyage will not be the first or the last site to follow this business model and other sites have managed to maintain their editorial integrity and user-experience despite the presence of ads.
 * 3) Dump criteria. The question is not whether making special formats and data stream available for someone will help Internet Brands; the question is whether it will help Wikivoyage. Internet Brands pays developers and sysadmins to serve the Wikivoyage community and help the project. They're not going to devote time, effort, software or hardware to projects that don't help Wikivoyage.
 * 4) Editorial independence. You say that it would be our job to change Wikivoyage guides to have positive reviews of sponsors. This is absolutely not the case, and was part of the original press release from Internet Brands. Keeping advertising and content separate is of utmost importance. The traveller will continue to come first. Personally, we continue to want to make great, useful, consensus travel guides, just as has been our goal from the beginning.
 * 5) Commercializing ourselves. You propose that we (Michele and Evan) should have added advertising to the site ourselves, without Internet Brands. That's a fine plan, but our choice was to consider the longterm viability of Wikivoyage. If we had tried to make an Internet startup out of Wikivoyage, there would have been a lot more hard work and risk involved. Instead, we have an Internet "middle-up", with a mature site hosted on a stable platform by a well-established company. We think that's much better for the project, and it lets us concentrate on what we like to do: make great travel guides.
 * 6) Goals. You state that Internet Brands has different goals than the Wikivoyage community -- to improve its business. This is absolutely true. However, we think that the goals of the Wikivoyage community and IB's goals can be harmonious. If the community continues to have success in creating great travel guides, Web traffic will go up and ad revenue will increase. The company benefits from helping Wikivoyagers reach their goals. However, if the company were to try to make short-term gains by abusive anti-community policies, they could possibly make some short-term profit, but drive away the community that makes long-term gain possible. The parable of Wikipedia:The_Goose_that_Laid_the_Golden_Eggs is probably appropriate here. We think Internet Brands has shown some dedication to the long-term existence of Wikivoyage and its goals; we think that's a good sign that they're not going to try to undermine the community for short term gain.

This might be a good time to clear the air about advertising and reduce the unfounded speculation. We'll collected previous statements about advertising into the Project:Advertising policy page. We have some thoughts about what's OK and not OK with advertising and what will be best to keep the site running without interfering with the project.

Finally, I want to thank you for continuing to keep an open dialog with the community. You seem to be very concerned about community decision-making. We hope that you'll continue to work with the community to effect the changes that you've proposed. (WT-en) Majnoona 15:00, 13 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Thanks for your comments. Most of your points have been discussed elsewhere, so I prefere to simply let them stand here as a counter statement. Let me empathize what you have told about IB's dump criteria. I think this is really the first time we can read that clear words about this topic. I wanted to ask you to read more carefully when summarising my points:

 * "You say that it would be our job to change Wikivoyage guides to have positive reviews of sponsors." -- No. I say it's your job to avoid negative reviews of sponsors.

 * "You propose that we (Michele and Evan) should have added advertising to the site ourselves..." -- No. I havn't proposed that, I just have said it would have been one of several options.

 * -- (WT-en) Hansm 06:31, 15 July 2006 (EDT)


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User talk:(WT-en) Hansm/Sandbox

Hans,

Begrüßung, ist das Project:Plunge forward ? (WT-en) Denisoliver 16:48, 30 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Hallo, Cecil, ich hoffe, ich bin dir jetzt nicht zu sehr über den Mund gefahren. Ich dachte, ich muss einfach mal redikal vorgehen. Deshalb habe ich alle Namen hier entsprechend der User:(WT-en) Hansm/Sandbox/Übersetzung von englischen Artikelnamen angepasst. Vorher habe ich da kräftig gewütet. -- (WT-en) Hansm 15:25, 2004 Oct 5 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Hansm/Sandbox/Beschreibungen von Attraktionen

Siehe auch User talk:(WT-en) Hansm/Sandbox/Vorlage für Städte wegen abweichender Formatierung.


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User talk:(WT-en) Hansm/Sandbox/Übersetzung von englischen Artikelnamen

Schreibt bitte Eure Vorschläge unter den englischen Namen. Falls mehrere Vorschläge vorliegen, bitte kurze Begründung oder Stellungnahme mit Namenssignatur. Also z.B. so:

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Project:Article naming conventions

 * "Konventionen für Artikelnamen": Meinetwegen -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * "Konventionen für Namen von Artikeln": Nein. zu schwerfällig. -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * Find ich super literarisch -- Egon

 * "Konventionen zur Benennung von Artikeln": Ja. Bringt's am besten auf den Punkt. -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * ist okay -- (WT-en) Bernie 17:23, 21 Sep 2004 (EDT)

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Project:!Most wanted articles

 * "Meistgesuchte Artikel":
 * ""Artikelwünsche" (WP)

Project:About

 * "Über uns": Klassisch. (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Project:Accommodation listings

 * "Beschreibungen der Unterkünfte":
 * Moment. Listing=Beschreibung ? Geht es hier nicht um eine Auflistung ? (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Project:Administrator nominations

 * "Nominierungen zum Administrator":

Project:Administrators

 * "Administratoren":

Project:Article naming conventions

 * "Konventionen zur Benennung von Artikeln":

Project:Article templates

 * "Vorlagen für Artikel":

Project:Articles needing attention

 * "verbesserungsbedürftige Artikel": Gefällt mir besser. -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * "Artikel, die überarbeitet werden müssen": Und der mir :) (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Project:Attraction listings

 * "Beschreibungen von Attraktionen":
 * " Beschreibungen von Sehenswürdigkeiten": Attraktionen gibts aufm Rummel. (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Project:Avoid HTML

 * "HTML vermeiden":

Project:Bar listings

 * "Beschreibungen von Kneipen und Bars":
 * listings = Beschreibungen ? (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Project:Big city article template

 * "Vorlage für Städte":
 * "Vorlage für Großstädte": eindeutiger (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Project:Bodies of water

 * "Gewässer":

Project:Bug reports

 * "Fehlerberichte":

Project:CC-by-sa

 * "CC-by-sa":

Project:Common map symbols

 * "Symbole auf Karten":

Project:Contributor research links

 * "Links zur Recherche":

Project:Contributor tools

 * "Tools für Autoren":
 * "Werkzeuge für Autoren": --(WT-en) zeno 05:49, Sep 22, 2004 (EDT)

Project:Cooperating with Consumerium

 * "Kooperation mit Consumerium":

Project:Cooperating with Hospitality Club

 * "Kooperation mit dem Hospitality Club":

Project:Cooperating with OpenGuides

 * "Kooperation mit OpenGuides":

Project:Cooperating with Wikipedia

 * "Kooperation mit Wikipedia":

Project:Copyleft

 * "Copyleft":

Project:Copyright details

 * "Details zum Copyright":
 * "Details zum Urheberrecht":
 * Das sind zwei verschiedene Begriffe aus zwei verschiedenen Rechtssystemen, die nicht identisch sind. Juristen vor. (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Project:Country article template

 * "Vorlage für Länder":

Project:Cultural Expedition

 * "Expedition "Kultur"":

Project:Dates and times

 * "Datum und Uhrzeit":

Project:Deletion log

 * "Log der gelöschten Seiten":
 * "Löschprotokoll": Kompakt (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Project:Deletion policy

 * "Regeln zum Löschen einer Seite": OK. -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * "Regeln für das Löschen": komisch -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * "Löschregeln": Der erste Vorschlag ist auch ok, aber das ist kürzer ... --(WT-en) zeno 05:49, Sep 22, 2004 (EDT)
 * ACK (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Project:Destination of the Month candidates

 * "Kandidaten für das Reiseziel des Monats":

Project:Destination of the Month candidates/Archive

 * "Kandidaten für das Reiseziel des Monats/Archiv":

Project:Disambiguation page index

 * "Verzeichnis der Wegweiser":
 * "Index der Seiten zum Auflösen von Mehrdeutigkeiten":

Project:Disambiguation pages

 * "Wegweiser": Naja, das ist zwar sehr phantasievoll übersetzt, aber ich glaube, wir brauchen einen griffigen Ausdruck. -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * "Seiten zum Auflösen von Mehrdeutigkeiten":
 * "Begriffsklärungsseiten" (WP): (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Project:District article template

 * "Vorlage für Stadtteile":

Project:Don't overlink

 * "Nicht über-verlinken":

Project:Dual licensing

 * "Duale Lizenzen":

Project:Edit war

 * "Editier-Krieg":
 * "Editier-Kampf":
 * "Bearbeitungs-Kampf": So hab ichs im WikiWiki geschrieben, allerdings ohne den Bindestrich und Kampf klein. (WT-en) Cecil 09:46, 21 Sep 2004 (EDT)
 * Bin halt ein Bindestich-Fan -- (WT-en) Hansm 13:19, 2004 Sep 21 (EDT)
 * Ich auch, aber da ist ein 's' am Ende und das zieht die Wörter so schön zusammen. (WT-en) Cecil 01:15, 22 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * "Edit war": das ist glaube ich ein Begriff, der wikitypisch ist (analog zu "flame-war"), den lernt man schnell, wenn man ihn nicht schon von der (WP) kennt, wo er alltäglich ist ;)

Project:Expeditions

 * "Expeditionen":

Project:External links

 * "Externe Links":
 * "Externe Verweise": Wir machen eine deutsche Version. Ich übersetzte zwar auch nicht alles und eventuell auch ich schon wo Links verwendet, aber Verweise ist deutsch und trotzdem gut verständlich. (WT-en) Cecil 09:46, 21 Sep 2004 (EDT)
 * "Weblinks": So ist es momentan Standard in der Wikipedia. Ist trotz zweier Fremdbestandteile "deutscher" als "Externe Links", da es ein zusammengesetztes Wort ist. --(WT-en) zeno 05:49, Sep 22, 2004 (EDT)
 * gehe mit zeno. (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Project:FAQ

 * "FAQ": Definitiv. Jeder, der schon etwas im Internet herumgesurft hat, versteht FAQ (oder versteht ihr OAG) (WT-en) Cecil 09:46, 21 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Project:Feature requests

 * "Wünsche an MediaWiki": Besser, da kompakter. -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * "Wünsche an die MediaWiki Software":

Project:Fellow Traveller Expedition

 * "Expedition "Reisegefährte"":

Project:First person pronouns

 * ""Ich" und "wir" in Artikeln":

Project:Foreign words

 * "Fremdworte":

Project:Foreign-language names

 * "Fremdsprachliche Namen":

Project:Full text of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2

 * "GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2, im Volltext":
 * "GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 (Volltext)": (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Project:Geographical data and metadata

 * "Geografische Daten und Metadaten":

Project:Geographical hierarchy

 * "Geografische Hierarchie":

Project:Goals and non-goals

 * "Was wir wollen und was nicht":

Project:Graffiti wall

 * "Graffiti-Wand":

Project:Help

 * "Hilfe":

Project:Help wanted

 * "Hilfe gesucht":
 * "Hilfe erwünscht":
 * "Ich brauche Hilfe" (WP): (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Project:Hierarchy

 * "Hierarchie":

Project:How to add an image

 * "Wie Sie ein Bild einfügen":
 * "Wie Du ein Bild einfügst": Sie ?? (Gilt auch im folgenden) (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Project:How to create a user account

 * "Wie Sie einen Benutzer-Account erstellen":

Project:How to delete a page

 * "Wie eine Seite gelöscht wird":

Project:How to edit a page

 * "Wie Sie eine Seite bearbeiten":

Project:How to handle unwanted edits

 * "Umgang mit unerwünschten Änderungen":

Project:How to re-use Wikivoyage guides

 * "Wie Sie Wikivoyage-Inhalte weiterverwenden können":

Project:How to redirect a page

 * "Wie Sie eine Seite weiterleiten": Gefällt mir besser -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * "Wie Sie eine Seite umlenken":

Project:How to rename a page

 * "Wie Sie eine Seite umbenennen":

Project:How to revert a page

 * "Wie Sie eine Seite wiederherstellen":

Project:How to start a new page

 * "Wie Sie eine neue Seite anfangen":

Project:How to upload files

 * "Wie Sie Dateien hochladen":

Project:Huge city article template

 * "Vorlage für Großstädte":

Project:IP address

 * "IP-Adresse":

Project:IRC channel

 * "IRC-Kanal":

Project:Image policy

 * "Regeln für Bilder":

Project:Image resources

 * "Bildquellen":

Project:Information for gay and lesbian travellers

 * "Informationen für Schwule und Lesben":

Project:Inter-language links

 * "Sprachübergreifende Links": eingängiger (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)
 * "Sprachübergreifende Verweise":

Project:Internal links

 * "Interne Links": eingängiger (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)
 * "Interne Verweise":

Project:Itineraries

 * "Reiserouten":

Project:Itinerary article template

 * "Vorlage für Reiserouten":

Project:Language version policy

 * "Regeln für anderssprachige Versionen":

Project:Language versions of Wikivoyage

 * "Anderssprachige Versionen von Wikivoyage":

Project:Links to Open Directory

 * "Links zum Open Directory": eingängiger (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)
 * "Verweise zum Open Directory":

Project:Links to Wikipedia

 * "Links zu Wikipedia": eingängiger (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)
 * "Verweise zu Wikipedia":

Project:List of Wikivoyagers by location

 * "Liste der Wikivoyager nach Wohnort":

Project:List of common misspellings

 * "Liste häufiger Rechtschreibfehler":

Project:List of itineraries

 * "Liste der Reiserouten":

Project:List of phrasebooks

 * "Liste der Redewendungen in verschiedenen Sprachen":

Project:List of related projects

 * "Liste verwandter Projekte":

Project:Logbook archives

 * "Logbuch Archiv":

Project:Mailing lists

 * "Mailing Listen":

Project:Main Page guidelines

 * "Richtlinien für die Hauptseite": WP (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)
 * "Richtlinien für die Anfangsseite":

Project:Manual of style

 * "Unser Stil": Gefällt mir jetzt eigentlich am besten -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * ne, cecil hat recht, das klingt nicht mittenmang. (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * "Stilfragen": So ganz glücklich bin ich damit nicht -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * "Stilhandbuch": Als Überschrift ist ja 'Unser Stil' ganz gut geeignet, aber mittendrin in Texten als Verweis auf das Manual hört sichs doch sehr komisch an. Also mein Vorschlag. (WT-en) Cecil 11:18, 23 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Project:Mapmaking Expedition

 * "Expedition "Karten"":

Project:Meetups

 * "Treffen":

Project:Milestones

 * "Meilensteine":

Project:Multilingual statistics

 * "Statistik verschiedensprachiger Versionen":

Project:Namespaces

 * "Namensraum":

Project:Neutral point of view

 * "Neutraler Standpunkt":

Project:Neutrality of medium

 * "Unabhängig vom Medium":

Project:Non-administrator tasks

 * "Aufgaben aller Benutzer":

Project:Offline Reader Expedition

 * "Expedition "Offline Lesen"":

Project:Other ways of seeing travel

 * "Reisen aus einer anderen Perspektive":

Project:Page history help

 * "Hilfe zu älteren Seitenversionen":

Project:Phone numbers

 * "Telefonnummern":

Project:Phrasebook Expedition

 * "Expedition "Sprachführer"": -- (WT-en) Hansm, (WT-en) Denisoliver
 * "Expedition "Redewendungen"":

Project:Phrasebook template

 * "Vorlage für Sprachführer": (WT-en) Denisoliver
 * "Vorlage für Redewendungen":

Project:Plunge forward

 * "Leg' los":
 * "Hau rein":
 * "Sei mutig" (WP): (WT-en) Denisoliver

Project:Policies and guidelines

 * "Regeln und Richtlinien":

Project:Privacy policy

 * "Ihre Privatsphäre":

Project:Privacy rights

 * "Recht auf Privatsphäre":

Project:Protected page policy

 * "Regeln zum Schützen einer Seite":

Project:Protected pages

 * "Geschützte Seiten":
 * "Gesperrte Seiten":

Project:Protection log

 * "Log der geschützten Seiten": Besser. -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * "Log geschützter Seiten":
 * "Sperrprotokoll":

Project:Pseudo-phoneticization guide

 * "Richtlinie für pseudo-phonetische Schrift":

Project:Quick big city article template

 * "Skelett für Städte":

Project:Quick country article template

 * "Skelett für Länder":

Project:Quick district article template

 * "Skelett für Stadtteile":

Project:Quick huge city article template

 * "Skelett für Großstädte":

Project:Quick region article template

 * "Skelett für Regionen":

Project:Quick small city article template

 * "Skelett für Kleinstädte":

Project:RSS feed

 * "RSS Feed":

Project:Recent changes help

 * "Hilfe zu den letzten Änderungen":

Project:Region article template

 * "Vorlage für Regionen":

Project:Requests for articles

 * "Artikel-Wünsche":

Project:Requests for images

 * "Bilder-Wünsche":

Project:Requests for maps

 * "Karten-Wünsche":

Project:Requests for phrasebooks

 * "Wünsche für Redewendungen":
 * "Wünsche für Sprachführer": (WT-en) Denisoliver

Project:Restaurant listings

 * "Beschreibungen von Restaurants":

Project:Romanization
"Romanisierung" gefällt mir nicht -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * "Latinisierung":

Project:Script nominations

 * "Nominierungen für Skripte":
 * "Kandidaturen für Skripte": (WT-en) Denisoliver

Project:Script policy

 * "Regeln für Skripte":

Project:Search help

 * "Hilfe zur Suche":

Project:Section headers

 * "Überschriften":

Project:Sex tourism policy

 * "Regeln gegen Sex-Tourismus":

Project:Slippery slopes

 * "Fallstricke":

Project:Small city article template

 * "Vorlage für Kleinstädte":

Project:Software tools

 * "Tools und nützliche Software":

Project:Spelling

 * "Rechtschreibung":

Project:Stub articles
Wie Übersetzen wir "stub"? S. auch oben ("Übersetzung häufig benutzer Begriffe").
 * "Stub": ist nach ewig-langen Diskussionen in der (WP) als letztlich unübersetzbar in das eigene Vokabular übernommen worden: (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Project:Stubs needing attention
Wie Übersetzen wir "stub"? S. auch oben ("Übersetzung häufig benutzer Begriffe").
 * "Stub": ist nach ewig-langen Diskussionen in der (WP) als letztlich unübersetzbar in das eigene Vokabular übernommen worden: (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Project:Technical details

 * "Technische Details":

Project:Terms of use

 * "Nutzungsbedingungen": (WT-en) Denisoliver 13:19, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)
 * "Benutzungsbedingungen":

Project:The traveller comes first

 * "Vorrang für Reisende":

Project:Tips for new contributors

 * "Tips für neue Autoren":

Project:Tone

 * "Ton":

Project:Top destinations lists

 * "Liste der Top-Reiseziele":

Project:TourBusStop

 * "TourBusStop":

Project:Travellers' pub
Schwere Frage. Macht mal ein paar schöne Vorschläge.
 * "Stammtisch": Trifft es sehr gut -- (WT-en) Bernie 17:23, 21 Sep 2004 (EDT)
 * "Café Weltenbummler": Finde ich schrecklich -- (WT-en) Bernie 17:23, 21 Sep 2004 (EDT)
 * ich auch. (WT-en) Denisoliver

Project:Travellers' pub archives
s. oben.

Project:Upload log

 * "Log der Uploads":
 * "Uploadprotokoll": (WT-en) Denisoliver

Project:User email help

 * "Hilfe zum Versenden von e-Mails":

Project:User page help

 * "Hilfe zur Benutzerseite":

Project:User preferences help

 * "Hilfe zu den Einstellungen":

Project:Using talk pages

 * "Diskussionsseiten benutzen":

Project:Utilities

 * "Nützliches":

Project:Votes for deletion

 * "Bitte Löschen":

Project:Votes for undeletion

 * "Bitte wiederherstellen":

Project:Ways to help Wikivoyage

 * "Wie Sie Wikivoyage helfen können":

Project:Ways to promote Wikivoyage

 * "Wie Sie Werbung für Wikivoyage machen können":

Project:Welcome message

 * "Begrüßung":

Project:Welcome, Wikipedians

 * "Herzlich willkommen, Wikipedianer":

Project:Welcome, newcomers

 * "Herzlich willkommen":

Project:What is an article?

 * "Was ist ein Artikel?":

Project:Where you can stick it

 * "Wohin damit?":

Project:Why Wikivoyage doesn't use official names

 * "Warum Wikivoyage nicht die offiziellen Namen benutzt":

Project:Why Wikivoyage isn't GFDL

 * "Warum Wikivoyage nicht unter GFDL lizensiert wird":

Project:Wiki markup

 * "Wiki Markup":

Project:WikiNode

 * "WikiNode":

Project:WikiWiki

 * "WikiWiki":

Project:Wikivoyagers

 * "Wikivoyager":


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User talk:(WT-en) Hansm/Sandbox/Details zum Urheberrecht

Von User:(WT-en) Hansm/Sandbox/Grundlegende Fragen verschoben (Anfang)

Welches Urheberrecht?
Das deutsche/österreichische/schweizer.... Urheberrecht unterscheidet sich zum Teil erheblich vom amerikanischen. Es wäre gut zu wissen, welches Recht anzuwenden ist, wenn z.B. ein Deutscher in Deutschland einen Artikel auf den Wikivoyage-Server in den USA hochlädt. Müssen wir auf den englischsprachigen Text der Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0 license verweisen oder macht es Sinn, die deutsche/österreichische/italienische ... Anpassung zu verwenden. (Die französische Version scheint diese Frage zu umgehen.)

 * Tja, da ist dann die Frage, ob man die deutsche oder die österreichische Variante von CC-by-sa verwendet - eine Schweizer Version gibt es ja bislang nicht, oder? Außerdem wäre es interessant zu erfahren, ob Inhalt (z.B. durch Übersetzung) von der internationalen (US-amerikanischen) Version der Lizenz zur bundesdeutschen übertragen werden kann (ich hoffe mal, dass das geht), und was Evan davon hält. --(WT-en) zeno 05:44, Sep 22, 2004 (EDT)

Obige Frage ist vermutlich viel zu naiv gestellt. Das Urheberrecht wird international gesehen durch einen riesigen Flickenteppich aus nationalen Rechten gebildet. Die allermeisten Staaten haben bi- und multilaterale Verträge, in denen sie Angehörigen des Vertragsstaats eine gesetzliche Gleichstellung gewährleisten. Was nun aber passiert, wenn ein Deutscher von Japan aus sein Werk auf einen Server in den USA hochlädt und es zu einer Rechtsstreitigkeit wegen einer in Uganda begangenen Urheberrechtsverletzung kommt, scheint nicht nur für den juristischen Laien in einen kaum noch zu durchdringenden Dschungel von sich zum Teil wiedersprechenden Gesetzesnormen zu führen.

Es ist vielleicht am besten, auf diese verworrene Situation hinzuweisen und dann das US-amerikanische Original sowie die nationalen Anpassungen an verschiedene deutschsprachige Länder zu verlinken. Es handelt sich wohl gemerkt um Anpassungen an die nationale Rechtsnorm und ist damit mehr als nur eine reine Übersetzung.

 * Alle (nicht nur verschiedene) deutschsprachigen Länderanpassungen sollten verlinkt sein, da ja jedes deutschsprachige Land eine eigene nationale Anpassung hat, die von allen anderen inhaltlich (d. h. rechtlich) abweichen kann. Die Frage ist nur, wie ausführlich man auf die verworrene Situation hinweisen muss/soll, da schon hier nicht mehr leicht verständlich ist, was gemeint ist. Anscheinend sind ja nicht nur die Länderanpassungen sondern auch die multilateralen Verträge zwischen allen beteiligten Ländern wichtig?? Meine Meinung dazu ist: wenn man nix genaues sagen kann, sollte man sich lieber kürzer fassen. Außerdem könnte man überlegen, ob man die Autoren eine Erklärung akzeptieren lässt, dass sie ihr Urheberrecht aufgeben. Natürlich ist diese dann in deutschsprachigen Ländern nicht bindend, aber vielleicht ist sie ja dennoch nützlich, weil man am Ende sowieso nicht weiss, welches Länderrecht zur Anwendung kommt. -- (WT-en) Fraub 07:34, 28 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Fraub, ich habe versucht die komplizierte rechtliche Situation so weit, wie ich es für nötig halte und so weit ich es konnte, in den User:(WT-en) Hansm/Sandbox/Details zum Urheberrecht auf den Punkte zu bringen. Weitere Details und Kommentare hierzu bitte auf der zugehörigen Diskussions-Seite diskutieren. Einen Verzicht auf das Urheberrecht halte ich für völlig inakzeptabel, da damit von den Autoren unnötige Einschränkungen verlangt werden. Außerdem macht das das englische Wikivoyage auch nicht. Unser Ziel ist ohne weiteres mit der CC by-sa (ShareAlike) Lizenz zu erreichen. Auch wenn mir nicht bekannt ist, welches Recht zur Anwendung kommt, will ich nicht gleich von vorneherein ganz auf mein Recht verzichten. -- (WT-en) Hansm 07:54, 2004 Sep 28 (EDT)

"Urheberrecht" vs. "Copyright"
In den meisten (oder in allen?) Ländern, in denen deutsche Sprachgruppen leben, gilt die sog. romanische Rechtsnorm. Sie hat ein anderes Verständnis von Urheberrecht als es die sog. angelsächsische Rechtsnorm hat. Ein wesentlicher Unterschied scheint zu sein, dass in Ländern mit romanischem Recht der Urheber eines geistigen Werks automatisch und lebenslang das Urheberrecht an diesem Werk besitzt. Das Urheberrecht kann dort nicht verkauft oder verschenkt werden. Dagegen muss bzw. musste in Ländern mit angelsächischem Recht der Urheber eines Werkes sein Copyright explizit anmelden. Daher erklären sich die allseits präsenten Copyright-Vermerke, die in Ländern mit romanischem Recht bedeutungslos sind. Außerdem kann der Urheber in angelsächsischen Ländern sein Copyright verkaufen, verschenken oder ganz darauf verzichten. In diesem Zusammenhang ist der Begriff "Copyright" ein juristischer Fachausdruck, der sich eindeutig auf angelsächsische Rechtsprechung bezieht.

Gibt es juristische Hinweise zum Urheberrecht, die speziell für deutschsprachige Länder wichtig sein könnten?
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Was für "Sie" spricht:

 * 1) Leute, die sich eigentlich duzen, akzeptieren eher ein "Sie" als anders herum.
 * 2) Denkt nicht nur an rucksackreisende Freaks, sondern auch an den Rentner im Wohnwagen.
 * 3) Wikipedia benutzt auch "Sie".
 * 4) Unterstreicht etwas die Seriosität des Projekts.

Was für "Du" spricht:

 * 1) Wirkt für diejenigen, die sich dadurch angesprochen fühlen, persönlicher.
 * 2) Einige gedruckte Reiseführer (vor allem für Rucksackreisende) sagen auch Du.

Was wir wollen

 * Leichter Vorzug für "Sie" -- (WT-en) Hansm
 * "Du", 1. persönlicher; 2. "Sie" ist formeller, das fordert insgesamt zu formellerem Schreiben auf, und wenn ich die ganze Zeit daran denken muss, höflichst zu bleiben, macht das keinen Spaß. (WT-en) Cecil
 * Bitte um schnellste Einigung zu diesem Thema. Beispiel: 'Wie Sie einen neuen Benutzeraccount anlegen' für eine unsinnige Vermischung von du und Sie

 * Ich finde "Du" besser und denke auch die Rentner im Wohnwagen haben damit keine Probleme. -- (WT-en) Bernie
 * "Du": leichter zu schreiben, online gebräuchlicher -- (WT-en) Fraub 07:34, 28 Sep 2004 (EDT)
 * ein bisschen du: ein direktes anreden sollte, egal ob Du oder Sie, in artikeln unbedingt vermieden werden, eine neutrale form ist meiner erfahrung nach immer realisierbar und stilistisch wohlfeiler. dasselbe gilt weitgehend auch außerhalb der artikel, im direkten umgang aber, also in diskussionen und dergleichen sollte das du herrschen. das ist online gebräuchlicher und beim schreiben auch "geläufiger" als das du. ich höre schon die flame-wars "Für Sie immer noch Herr Hansm!" ;) (WT-en) Denisoliver 09:10, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT)
 * Ich finde, manchmal muss man einfach den Leser direkt anreden, wenn man gestelzte und schwer lesbare gramatikalische Konstruktionen vermeiden will. Deshalb würde ich auch in Reiseartikeln nicht den unpersönlichen Schreibstil zum Prinzip erklären. In Meta-Artikeln (d.h. Artikel aus dem "Wikivoyage:"-Namensraum) finde ich es sogar wichtig, den Leser und möglichen Autor direkt anzureden. Das schafft eine gewisse Verbindlichkeit, die sich dann hoffentlich in einer regen Schreibtätigkeit niederschlägt. "Du" scheint inzwischen der Favorit zu sein. Ich werde in weiteren Übersetzungen dann wohl auch besser "du" sagen, sonst muss später der ganze "Sie"-Kram wieder mühsam umgeschrieben werden. -- (WT-en) Herr Hansm
 * Bin für allgemeine Aussagen für "Sie". Die direkte Anrede zwischen Nutzern sollte m.E. jedoch "du" sein. (nach neuer Rechtschreibung ja klein) --(WT-en) Hedavid 08:50, 5 Oct 2004 (EDT)

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Da müssen wir uns bis Di noch ein paar Gedanken machen. Reiseziel des Monats geht klar ;-) Aber ich glaube nicht, dass es so gut ist, auf Inhalte zu verweisen, die wir gar nicht haben. Das irritiert Leute, die zufällig über die neue Seite stolpern und nicht den Hintergrund kennen. Für meinen Geschmack sollten wir uns am Anfang erst mal bescheidener präsentieren, vielleicht einfach mit einem schlichten Link auf den Länderindex oder bestenfalls auf die einzelnen Kontinente. Sprachführer haben wir bis dahin bestimmt auch noch nicht. Von Expeditionen und andersprachigen Versionen würde ich auch nix sagen, ist sowieso noch so eine Frage, in wie weit es überhaupt sinnvoll ist, so etwas von der englischen Version weg portieren zu wollen. -- (WT-en) Hansm 09:50, 2004 Oct 1 (EDT)

 * Also, m.E. sollten wir generell vorerst nicht versuchen, irgendeine Vollständigkeit auch nur anzudeuten, sondern sollten mit exponierter "Leere" eher Mitstreiter anzuwerben suchen. Ich habe mir mal ro und fr angesehen, dort ist es wie bei vielen jungen Wikipedias auch, das die roten (=leeren) Links durchaus exponiert werden, weil so nämlich die Leute dazu bewegt werden, sie zu füllen. Ob es da nützlich ist, Caracas oder ähnlich "zweitrangige" Stichworte anzuführen, gut, weg damit, aber ein leeres Spanien, Italien, Holland oder Dominikanische Republik wird die Besucher zum Schreiben locken. Es sollten also m.E. schon die wichtigsten Ziele als rote Links verbleiben, weil man von denen schnell zum Editieren (=Füllen) gelangt. Die Expeditionen kann man ruhig streichen, der Verweis auf bereits existierende Wikivoyages scheint mir aber wichtig, da Seiten zwischen diesen schnell übersetzt werden können und um zu zeigen, wie solide ein schon etwas älteres Wikivoyage sein kann. Das gilt auch für die leeren Sprachführer: Da ist zwar nix, aber es zeigt doch gut, wo die Potentiale, Ziele und Absichten liegen... Aber hmmm .. vielleicht vertue ich mich da auch ... (WT-en) Denisoliver 10:31, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * OK, kann man so sehen. Aber dann sollte es für irgeneinden hereingestolperten Neuling klar sein, was er schreiben soll. Von Sprachführern würde ich z.B. nur was erwähnen, wenn wir auch eine Vorlage haben. Und so Sachen wie "Hebräisches Wikivoyage" würde ich auch rausnehmen. Ebenso wäre ich erst mal vorsichtig mit so außerplanmäßigen Sachen wie "Sicher unterwegs", "Billig fliegen in Europa". Sonst fürchte ich, dass uns da ruck-zuck irgend ein komerzieller Müll reinkopiert wird, weil's leer ist, aber keiner so richtig weiß, was da eigentlich rein soll. Aber gut, versuchen wir's ansonsten einfach mal mit "exponierter Leere".

 * Noch was, gerade auf der Hauptseite, wo viele Links sitzen, zeigt sich, dass wir uns noch ziemlich uneins über die Übersetzung der englischen Artikelnamen sind. Wenigstens für die Artikel, die wir schon haben, sollten wir einen einheitlichen Namen festlegen. Ich dachte, User:(WT-en) Hansm/Sandbox/Übersetzung von englischen Wikivoyage-Ausdrücken und User:(WT-en) Hansm/Sandbox/Übersetzung von englischen Artikelnamen wären geschickt, aber irgendwie konnten sich beide bisher nicht so richtig durchsetzen.
 * -- (WT-en) Hansm 11:26, 2004 Oct 1 (EDT)

 * Gut, da stimme ich dir zu: das Außerplanmäßige und Sprachführer, sowie andere Expeditions (Hebräisch, Schwedisch, Italienisch, etc.) sollten erstmal raus. Was die Übersetzunhgen angeht: Das war u.a. der Grund, weswegen ich eine Redaktion erbat. Mach doch einfach Nägel mit Köpfen. In der Wikipedia heißt es ja auch Sei mutig! P.S.: Ähnliches Problem, hatte ich an anderer Stelle schon mal gestellt: Die Seite Begrüßung (so heisst sie bei dir im Sandkasten), soll das der englischen Plunge forward entsprechen ? (WT-en) Denisoliver 12:41, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * Oh hat sich erledigt .... (WT-en) Denisoliver 12:43, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Das isses! Super, Denis. -- (WT-en) Hansm 21:19, 2004 Oct 1 (EDT)


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Ist OK. Was willst du da überarbeiten? -- (WT-en) Hansm 09:29, 2004 Oct 1 (EDT)


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Auflösung von Mehrdeutigkeiten
Die Vorgehensweise, die in Project:Article naming conventions beschrieben wird, scheint für europäische Ortsnamen unpassend. In vielen europäischen Ländern werden Mehrdeutigkeiten von Ortsnamen durch Namenszusätze aufgelöst, wie z.B. "Bad Homburg vor der Höhe", "Matrei in Osttirol", "St. Anton am Arlberg". Ist die Vorgehensweise in (WT-en) Konventionen zur Benennung von Artikeln akzeptabel?

In wie weit sollen deutsche Namen Vorrang haben?
Da die Verwendung von deutschen Ortsnamen in einigen ehemals von Deutschland besetzten Gebieten immer wieder für politischen Zündstoff sorgt, haben einige dieser Namen zunehmend an Bedeutung verloren. Wer beispielsweise Informationen über die tschechische Stadt "Příbram" sucht, wird nicht unbedingt auf die Idee kommen, nach "Pibrans" zu suchen. Selbst dem Autor eines Artikels könnte der deutsche Ortsname unbekannt sein. Deshalb sollten wir vielleicht nicht ganz so kategorisch verlangen, dass unbedingt der deutsche Ortsname zu verwenden ist. Geeignete redirects sind natürlich allemal wichtig.

Namen, die Modifikationen latienischer Buchstaben enthalten, die nicht über die Tastatur erreichbar sind.
Die englische Project:Article naming conventions verlangt, dass fremdsprachliche (lateinische) Buchstaben, die nicht über die englische Standardtastatur erreichbar sind, nicht in Artikelnamen benutzt werden sollen. Es werden einige Gründe dafür aufgezählt. Aber was, wenn die Stadt nun mal so einen seltsamen Namen wie "Příbram" hat?

Vorschlag: So lange es sich um Namen handelt, die (modifizierte) lateinische Buchstaben verwenden, soll die korrekte landesübliche Schreibweise für den Artikelnamen benutzt werden. Gleichzeitig ist ein redirect anzulegen, der alle Modifikationen außer öäüßáéíóúàèìòùâêîôûñ (bekommt man diese Buchstaben auf allen in deutschsprachigen Ländern gebräuchlichen Tastaturen?) und die zugehörigen Großbuchstaben in unmodifizierte Buchstaben abbildet. Also z.B. "Príbram" (mir r statt ř) ist ein redirect auf "Příbram".

Kommentare und Vorlieben
Gut so ;-) Hab's nämlich sebst so vorgeschlagen -- (WT-en) Hansm 12:08, 2004 Sep 20 (EDT)

Der Text sollte meiner Meinung nach in der landesüblichen Bezeichnung stehen. Die Orte heissen nun mal so wie sie heissen. Nur weils im Deutschen umgetauft wurde, ist dass ja nicht der richtige Name. Ausserdem fällt mir zwar grade kein Beispiel ein, aber ich bin mir sicher, dass es dann wieder Fälle gibt, wo Österreich, Deutschland, Schweiz usw. auch verschiedene Bezeichnungen für den selben Ort haben. (WT-en) Cecil 09:46, 21 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Halte ich nicht für gut, da der einheimische Name bei vielen Städten nicht so geläufig ist wie der deutsche. Unter welchem Namen suchst du nach Athen oder Moskau? -- (WT-en) Hansm

 * Hab ich mir im Nachhinein auch überlegt. Die englische Version machts ja auch nicht. Die schreiben Austria und nicht Österreich. Ausserdem könnts mit den kyrillischen,... Buchstaben etwas schwer werden. (WT-en) Cecil

 * Die Konventionen zur Benennung von Artikeln find ich gut. Ein Einwand zum Redirect: man muss einen Redirect anlegen, der überhaupt keine modifizierten lateinischen Buchstaben verwendet. Wenn ein Deutschsprachiger im Ausland die deutschsprachige Wikivoyageversion anguckt, hat er wahrscheinlich meistens keine öäü...... auf der landesüblichen Tastatur. -- (WT-en) Fraub 09:22, 28 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Da hast du aber Recht. Daran habe ich gar nicht gedacht. Natürlich müssen wir davon ausgehen, dass Reiseinformationen eben auch auf Reisen gebraucht werden. Also volle Zustimmung. -- (WT-en) Hansm 09:30, 2004 Sep 28 (EDT)

 * Wo andere Alphabete gebraucht werden, da mag die Athen- oder Moskau-Regel ja greifen, aber ich fände es mehr als unpassend, alte deutsche Namen zu präferieren, die bei jüngeren auch schon gar nicht mehr großartig bekannt sind. Wer sich über Esztergom informieren will, möchte wohl kaum auf der Seite "Gran" landen, wer mehr über Pecs wissen möchte, landet auf "Fünfkirchen", nein danke. Sonst wird noch nach Neu York verschoben. (WT-en) Denisoliver 09:10, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT)
 * Moskau, Prag, Warschau und einige andere sind allgemein anerkannte Übertragungen der Ortsnamen ins Deutsche, die auch allgemein gebräuchlich sind, so dass ich bei diesen Orten den deutschen Namen mit einem Redirect von Moskwa, Praha, Warszawa bevorzugen würde. Ansonsten wäre ich allgemein für die Nutzung der aktuellen Ortsnamen, also Bratislava statt Preßburg etc. Wenn ich im Autoatlas z.B. die polnischen Orte lese, dann stehen ja auch die deutschen Namen nicht dabei. Von den deutschen Namen könnten dann Redirects gesetzt werden. --(WT-en) Hedavid 08:50, 5 Oct 2004 (EDT)

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