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Talk:Black Forest

Hi there,

the article is very poor and often untrue and excellerated! I am born in Titisee and must say, the person(s) who wrote this stuff doesn't know anything about it. It seems, he or she didn't took enough time and interest to learn to know the place! I have to believe, he or she only walked down the single road all tourists do and fell for all the silly souvenir shops there...

First: the Titisee is no man-made lake but a remain of ancient glaciers covering the Feldberg. Most tourists at least in the hot spots like Titisee are American and Japanese who want to see the country of the series "Schwarzwaldklinik" with Prof. Brinkman they know out of TV. They mostly spent very few time there and jumo from place to place. People who stay longer are mainly people coming every year to the Black Forest to relax, enjoy the nature, fresh air, the view and hike. Especially the many wild and romantous gorges are quite impressive (Wutach Schlucht, Ravenna Schlucht, Höllental) and not as difficult to do as many tours in the Alpes. Motorcycling also is very popular because of the mountainous streets.

Many of the information is untrue: I know two Pizzerias in Titisee where two people could eat nicely for 20 Euro (The "Pescatore" and the "Rusticana", 2005). In the villages around many small restaurants serve traditional home-made food, sometimes produced by their own farm. A wonderful place like this near Titisee is the Gasthaus Strauß in Jostal. You can hike there and enjoy the view of mountains and forests. Of course the best Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte isn't selled right next to the Titisee. You have to go to the traditional cafes and bakeries around, perhaps the Vogelbacherstüble or the Salenhof in the valley Schwärzenbach or the Cafe Becker in Titisee or the Cafe Butsch.

There is budget accommodation, too, for example the two Jugendherbergen (YHA) in Titisee and several small bed&breakfast a few kilometres off the lake.

Best is to bring or borrow a car or a motorcycle, but since short time every registered tourist in the Titisee region can use all busses and trains for free. But you aren't able to get to the very best spots without a car (unless you are a good hiker): the very wild valleys, the best restaurants and cafes and the most natural areas.

---Nadine, 26/09/2006

 * Please plunge forward and edit the article! (WT-en) Jpatokal 18:22, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

This article is a mess
Unfortunately, I have probably been closer to Selva Negra, Nicaragua than to Schwarzwald, Germany, but I may still be of some assistance. Anybody got an idea how to solve this? Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:48, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

 * We have made some progress in the meantime, eh. About the subdivision scheme you have just proposed on the Pub, we could do it geographically (which sounds boring) or thematically, highlighting wine spots, open-air museums, beautiful landscapes, hiking routes and so on. The dynamic map shows many listings outside the map mask. This should be addressed as well, I think. Unfortunately, I don't know the area either, once I actually slept at Freiburg im Bresgau while on a road trip to Berlin, but didn't linger and hit the Autobahn to Leipzig. Ibaman (talk) 19:48, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

 * The mapframe covers a certain definition of the "Schwarzwald", namely it being highland and the Upper Rhine Valley is not that. As I said, a mess... Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:02, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

The cities section followed by the towns section
Is surely not how this is usually done. Anybody got an idea what to do about this? Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:43, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Should we include Europa Park in the "Other destinations" section of the Black Forest article or move to the "Go next" section?
Earlier I added a mapmask of the Black Forest region to the Black Forest article (I imported the mapmask from openstreetmap.org) and to my surprise Europa Park as well of many other locations we have listed under the "Cities, towns and villages" section of the Black Forest article, weren't actually within the Black Forest region.

As such, I wanted to suggest that any of the locations which aren't within the Black Forest boundaries be moved to the section "Go next" in the Black Forest article (which is supposed to be about nearby prominent locations.

If you prefer that that all those locations continue to appear in the "Cities, towns and villages" and "Other destinations" sections, I suggest we change the name of the article to Black Forest region (similar to Sea of Galilee region which isn't only about the lake itself) or something similar that would suggest that article is about a bigger region than just the Black Forest.

Any thoughts? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 22:27, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

 * If you look at Baden-Württemberg, you will see that the contributors who originally defined this basically made the entire south west region of Baden-Württemberg state into Black Forest.
 * You are correct to say it doesn't technically equate to the official boundaries of the Black Forest itself, but it would be messy to define new regions for the small areas around it that are not officially in the Black Forest itself. It can, as you say, be considered a 'region'.
 * I would still personally prefer not to rename the article Black Forest Region, but just my POV. Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:38, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

 * The problem though... which I exemplified with the Europa Park article, is that we are currently spreading false information -that the Europa Park is indeed located within the Black Forest. (look at the breadcrum at the top of the article Europa Park). This falsehood would keep on duplicating itself as other editions of Wikivoyage translate these articles to their own languages. This would be easily fixed with the minor changes I suggested. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 22:45, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

 * How about calling it Southwestern Baden Württemberg? Yes it is as generic a name as can be, but it is accurate, isn't it? Hobbitschuster (talk) 01:51, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

 * No. "Black Forest" is a far likelier search term than "Southwestern Baden-Württemberg". And Europa Park is located in the Black Forest as defined in the regions map at Baden-Württemberg, which should be the end of the debate over whether it's included in this article. It's the mapshape in the Black Forest article that needs to be changed. As for the "falsehood" of stating that Europa Park is located within the forest itself, it's not anything we need to get worked up about - it's close enough to the forest that for all intents and purposes, the difference is too trivial to bother with. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:00, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

 * Given what we see at Baden, how fruitful would it be to make this region more co-extensive with Baden or some part of it? It's rather surprising to me, that none of our subregions of Baden-Württemberg contain Baden or Württemberg in their name instead of both... Hobbitschuster (talk) 05:42, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep as it. Many regions on this site do not follow strictly the definition of some administrative boundary and as mentioned above is the most internationally well know term for the area. --Traveler100 (talk) 07:18, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I think the issue becomes clear through a topographical map. It is rather obvious that the area to the west of the Schwarzwald and towards the Rhine is quite different in altitude and character to the Schwarzwald. As for Rust (the town that's home to Europapark) that's here. What about calling the whole region Southern Baden? It might not be 100% exact but maybe we should fudge around with the boundaries anyway, given the state of Swabian Mountains. Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:22, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

 * 'Black Forest' is frankly a more charismatic name to travelers than Southern Baden, and I don't think there is any issue in including towns that are literally just outside the official geologically defined region.
 * Take a look at how Baden is structured and I would you would agree that the state isn't exactly set up for dividing up on WV using official boundaries. Andrewssi2 (talk) 20:04, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Well I think for the most part the current Landkreise are boundaries we can safely ignore. But there are some unfortunate things about the current layout. For one there is both Bodensee Region and Lake Constance as articles, for another Stuttgart Region is a region you might find in a dead trees guide but rarely in our guides. And then there is lumping the Upper Rhine Valley together with the Black Forest under the name of the latter... I do not, mind you, have the perfect solution... Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:10, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

These are reasonable questions. Actually, there are varying definitions of the Black Forest. In modern geography, it starts approximately where the shell limestone ends. That's the border found around "15 Schwarzwald" in this map. The boundaries of the natural regions that are being used by the nature conservation authorities can be found in greater detail in this map. In this definition, even the low foothills along the Upper Rhine Plain are not part of the Black Forest. Neither the Europa Park nor Maulbronn Abbey are really part of the Black forest. Historically, the use of the name "Black Forest" was extending further towards the east, aproximately to the river Neckar. Now, forget all of this, because this project is about tourism, and the Black Forest Tourism Board doesn't follow natural boundaries, as its members are counties and towns (see list of "Stadtkreise" and "Landkreise" here). Also, in the tourism statistics, Baden-Württemberg is subdivided into just a few regions that are named after their main attractions, but their boundaries follow the counties', not the natural regions'. There is no Upper Rhine Plain or Kaiserstuhl in these statistics, and so the visitors of the Europa Park will show up in the statistics of the Black Forest. I think these details shouldn't be completely ignored in the article, while it's still ok to include places that aren't actually part of the natural region. --Sitacuisses (talk) 00:19, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Different region boundaries?
Given that there are now a lot of cities listed under this article, should we subdivide this region? Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:56, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

 * Yes, we can split it into tree new subregions following the de-WV lead:
 * Nordschwarzwald - hochmoor- und fichtenwaldreiche Gegend zwischen Karlsruhe, Pforzheim, Offenburg und Freudenstadt
 * Mittlerer Schwarzwald - fichtenwaldreiche Gegend zwischen Offenburg,  Freudenstadt, Donaueschingen und Freiburg
 * Südschwarzwald - Gegend mit viel Wald, sanften Hängen, aber auch steilen Tälern und Hochmooren zwischen Freiburg, Donaueschingen und dem Hochrhein.
 * OR we can just add three new categories to Black Forest#Cities section without creating any articles at all, so we'll end up with the following:

 * ==Cities==
 * ===Nordschwarzwald===
 * Karlsruhe
 * Pforzheim
 * Offenburg
 * Freudenstadt
 * ===Mittlerer Schwarzwald===
 * --Kiaora (talk) 20:28, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should split off those cities that aren't in the mapshape anyway, as they are apparently not inside the "Schwarzwald" per se. Maybe call that region Upper Rhine Valley or some such. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:45, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should split off those cities that aren't in the mapshape anyway, as they are apparently not inside the "Schwarzwald" per se. Maybe call that region Upper Rhine Valley or some such. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:45, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

 * I'm not familiar with this region, so it's very hard for me to judge. Have a look at the discussion they had at de:Diskussion:Schwarzwald, maybe it will ring some bells. --Kiaora (talk) 21:17, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I do not know the region either, but what if we divided it into east and west? Or north and south? --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 22:26, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * So I made this to show what I mean with splitting off those cities in the West that aren't actually within the mapframe and presumably not within the Black Forest. Maybe we can thus base the discussion more on concrete and travel relevant categories instead of arbitrary "North South dividing lines" or some such. Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:36, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * What about Freiburg though? It seems to be on the edge of the Black Forest. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 22:49, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Ah, I just saw the text in your Upper Rhine Valley article and I understand now. But yes, Hobbitschuster, I would support the regions division you have created. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 22:53, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * These maps may or may not be of some help... Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:10, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually do not think the number of the articles is the issue but having spent some time in the region I would differentiate the mountainous region of the Black Forest from the Rhine valley area. There are then a few missing article for the Black Forest, Freudenstadt and Dornstetten are two that come to mind without looking in more detail. --Traveler100 (talk) 21:00, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Recent edits
I must say, I am not quite sure about these edits. I think we've already established that the county borders are problematic in this area and besides that, there is a "hole". And then there is the issue of the Upper Rhine Valley not being the same as the Black Forest... Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:43, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Irrespective of the valid discussion above it does reflect the current status of the article. --Traveler100 (talk) 23:20, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Black Forest - regional subdivision
The region now has 23 listed "cities", among them small places like Schiltach. Should we subdivide it and if so, how? Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:27, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Oh, yes, it seems that the discussion died. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk | contributions ) 19:58, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Hi Hobbitschuster, I just imported the mapshapes to the Black Forest article. Maybe those regions could be a good reference for subdivision. Please also have a look at this overview map.--Renek78 (talk) 17:19, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

 * After checking the article for the black forest I actually don't see the purpose of subdividing it. The article in its current form is already pretty short. Why creating even more subarticles? Just because there is a long list of cities? Not strong enough of an argument in my opinion. --Renek78 (talk) 19:20, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

 * There are cities currently listed in this article which are not in any sense in a mountain range. And the Black Forest is a mountain range. So the article name is a misnomer as it now stands. That if nothing else is a reason to subdivide or change the name, so that no city that is not "black forest" in any sense of the term is listed under that name. Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:51, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

 * The region area consists of 80% black forest. Good enough to keep this catchy name even though some surroundings are included as well. Just my opinion, of course. --Renek78 (talk) 08:27, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Banners
User:Ikan Kekek just reverted me when I updated the page banner. Actually, I'm also the one who had added the current banner (1), and I do think that (2) is slightly better. One reason is that it shows some meadows and thereby is a better representation of this landscape that has some regions almost completely dominated by trees and other regions with more meadows. I uploaded a third banner (3), a view from the Feldberg that also shows some meadows. I didn't take any of these photographs, I just cropped them for this purpose.

Why can't we represent different faces of the Black Forest by cycling through a set of good banners? Sitacuisses (talk) 09:39, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

 * My favourites in order are 2, 3 and then 1 (the current). SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 10:18, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * My preference order is 2, 1, 3. 3 is the last because it has little tree cover for an area designated "... Forest" to me.
 * As far as I'm aware, rotating different banners for a given article isn't an idea explored yet, although I think I can vaguely remember a discussion about it somewhere. Vidimian (talk) 11:55, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Sitacuisses, thanks for starting this thread, so we can make a collective decision about this. They're all good banners. Right now, I favor 2, 3 and 1, just like SHB2000. Could the other banners be used in any other articles? Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:05, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Black Hills National Forest

Mountain lion safety
I've removed the following suggestion as it strikes me as nonsensical. In the rare event you encounter a mountain lion, put any small children on your shoulders and lift your shirt up above your head with between both arms hanging down to make you look as large and tall as possible. If someone knows that this clumsy-sounding circus act will actually save you from a tawny, fangy death, please replace it. --(WT-en) Evan 08:18, 30 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Getting children out of harm's way and making yourself look as large as possible are both correct, although the lifting your shirt above your head bit is something I've not heard and sounds a bit suspect. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:15, 30 July 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Blackpool

Status Tags
I note this article has 2 tags at the moment... Manual of Style, and Outline.

Not 100% sure where the MoS issue is. Yes, the Eat section is not necessarily MoS, but I think it is perhaps too short at present for it to be useful.

I'm also tempted to suggest that the article be upgraded from Outline to Usable. Seems to be something for each section, and it gives the traveller a good background to the town.

(WT-en) Nrms 05:33, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

 * The style issue looks to have already been resolved. Per Project:City_guide_status, this article needs at least one real "eat" listing to be usable, but that's the only thing keeping it at outline status. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:10, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

 * In that case, I've added a couple of Eat listings and changed the status. Will have to do a reccy next time I'm in the area and expand it a bit more. (WT-en) Nrms 03:26, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

The Blackpool Tower Dungeon opens Sept 1 2011
This listing was moved here as doesnt open till 1st sept. Relist it when it opens.

 * Moved back... 2 years late! --Nick talk 14:44, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Black Rock City

There are many hours in a day...what else gets done at this place?? it sounds intriguing

direction
Is any one know the direction to black rock city from Los Angeles, California If Please e-mail me at casaestat@aol.com

 * You have two choices
 * 1. The fast way: I5 north to Sacramento, I80 East to Reno, then follow the directions in the article.
 * 2. The scenic way: I15 north over the San Bernadino mountains, then US395 north to Reno, then follow the directions in the article.
 * Since you are going on a long and unfamiliar journey, get thee a map of California and a map of Nevada. Heck, even a whole-US map will do. -- (WT-en) Colin 02:38, 17 Aug 2004 (EDT)

when is it?

 * " The event happens each year in late August and early September" --(WT-en) Evan 19:22, 17 Nov 2005 (EST)

Image replacement
The original image used with this article can be viewed at. In trying to determine whether it can be migrated, in addition to Non-free content guidelines it also appears that anyone attending Burning Man must sign a contract which stipulates:

 * By attending the festival, all participants must sign a contract which amongst other terms and conditions, assigns all copyright in photographs and media taken at the festival to the Burning Man Organization, and only allows personal use. As such, the author of this image does not have the authority to freely license this image, not withstanding any statements by the author.

As a result I've replaced that image with others from Commons that (unfortunately) do not show the iconic burning man. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:48, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Cancelled for 2020
From the official site: [https://journal.burningman.org/2020/04/news/official-announcements/brc-2020-update/ we have made the difficult decision not to build Black Rock City in 2020. Given the painful reality of COVID-19 ...]. Pashley (talk) 08:49, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

 * The only reasonable decision. A note should be added to the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:54, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

 * I put in an infobox. Pashley (talk) 11:06, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Black Sea Turkey

The dot makes a difference
I guess it’s a hard task to do, but the names (and article titles) of the sub-regions of Black Sea Turkey (and all the links and isIn tags towards them) should change. The right spelling in Turkish is Karadeniz, not Karadenız (note the dot, and the lack thereof), because ı (the dotless one) and i (with a dot on, as in English) are pretty much different letters (and different corresponding voices) in Turkish (consider viewing this Wikipedia article). Karadenız does not conform to neither Turkish nor English spelling… Thus it makes typing the subregion names for non-Turkish keyboard users harder unnecessarily.

And one more thing: Should we create a link for Kiyikoy in this article? The land on which it’s situated is called Eastern Thrace (which is ‘officially’ a part of Marmara Region), but yet it’s in Turkey, and on the coast of Black Sea. ‘Black Sea Turkey’ sounds like it should include any destination in Turkey which is somehow related to Black Sea. Maybe we should include Kiyikoy in the ‘Other destinations’ section with a short explanation, such as ‘it’s not in Black Sea Region, but it’s on the coast of Black Sea anyway’ et cetera… Any opinions? --(WT-en) Vidimian 10:24, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

 * Since it was my fault to begin with, I fixed the ı → i problem.

 * I don't think we should include the coast of Eastern Thrace in this article, but I definitely agree that "Black Sea Turkey" is not a good name for this article. Beyond the problem that it implies that the entire coast is in the region (and it is not), it also sounds very awkward to my ears. Can we continue this discussion at Talk:Turkey? (Unfortunately it is impossible to access that page right now due to a bug, but hopefully it will be back shortly.) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 11:24, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Blagoveshchensk

Comments
Station image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ngtraveler/2301648419/ (copyrighted)

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Talk:Blanchard Township

I disagree with the (Wikipedia?) convention of calling very small places Townships, especially when the articles refer to the place as Placename but do not ever call the place Placename Township. In effect Township becomes a disambiguator for the common Placename. That is not how Wikivoyage names articles. Consequently, I moved the page. -- (WT-en) Huttite 20:12, 21 May 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:Blanco

many other Blanco's disamb? i created Blanco, Texas. --(WT-en) Lone.guner 18:27, 29 January 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Blanco (Texas)

VFD Discussion

 * Merge and redirect. It appears that there are two pages for the same town: Blanco and Blanco (Texas). --(WT-en) Bill in STL 01:57, 27 September 2010 (EDT)

Result: Redirected. There was no content to merge. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:42, 23 October 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Blarney

image
red linked --(WT-en) Kw0 00:26, 4 April 2011 (EDT)

 * The filename was (inappropriately) changed in this edit. I've now restored the original filename so the picture displays correctly. – (WT-en) Vidimian 08:33, 4 April 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Bled

Shouldn't this be Slovenia/Bled or something like that?

 * No. Our article naming conventions say to just use the place's name. We don't want to have to write Slovenia/Bled everywhere all the time. The exception is for districts in a city; there, we use the sub-page (slash) convention. --(WT-en) Evan 19:05, 16 Nov 2004 (EST)

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Talk:Blenheim (England)

Is this an article?
This seems like it should be merged into Woodstock_(Oxfordshire).

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Talk:Blenheim (New Zealand)

Nice! --(WT-en) Evan 11:48, 23 Apr 2004 (EDT)

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Talk:Block Island

I think it could specify which ferries allow cars and which don't, as well as indicating that if you plan on bringing your own car or a car from the mainland that you had better book well in advance in order to make sure you have a slot.

 * I agree!

 * If either of you has this information, please feel free to plunge forward & add it yourself! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:04, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Bloemfontein

Learn
The learn section sounds like nothing but a glorified advert for CUT. Rather sickening to read to be perfectly honest. I suggest a clean up. --121.72.161.12 08:33, 27 February 2011 (EST)

 * I've removed all of the touty language, and thus left only the contact info (which I'm not sure if even that should be kept at all). If you come across with another touty listing like this in the future, please just plunge forward and edit as you see fit. – (WT-en) Vidimian 14:08, 27 February 2011 (EST)

Shanty town?
"Although controversial, the practice of "slum tourism" has become a popular way for tourists to engage with poverty on a personal level. But why go visit an actual slum when you can simply stay at a luxury resort that looks like a slum?" Pashley (talk) 13:01, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Blood pressure

Blood pressure affects 1 in 3 adults
The topic of Blood Pressure and travel is of enoromous interest to the 1 in 3 adult who have high blood pressure and are often under the misguided belief that flying, hot/cold climates and trave insurance are problematic. This page is intended to hep those with high blood pressure understand how travel is not restricted and to offer helpful advice for those looking for information about travel/holidays and blood pressure.

Travel topics should be concise and simple.
Travel topics should be concise and simple. Blood Pressure is one of the slippery slopes and is potentially ugly. The goals for this topic need to be articulated clearly, otherwise it should be deleted. - (WT-en) Huttite 16:00, 30 January 2009 (EST)

Generalise and / or Merge with Travel health
There should be separate articles about Medication and Medical equipment, as these will be common for tavelers whatever their condition. If we go by condition we will have hundreds of topics for the same thing. That is the wrong way to view the subject. Merge with Travel health or write about the precautions travelers need to take irresprctive of their condition. - (WT-en) Huttite 16:19, 30 January 2009 (EST)
 * I'd support that. Blood pressure considerations in general aren't travel-specific, and there's nearly nothing on this page that's uniquely relevant to the combination of blood pressure and travel.  "Always remember to take enough medicines to last the whole holiday" is pretty generic. - (WT-en) Dguillaime 15:15, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Links to healthcare resources
I have reincluded the links to the sites I originally added for further information about blood pressure and travelling with high blood pressure. I don't think there would be great benefit in including all this detail on this page and believe that the links offer wikivoyage visitors opportunity to find out more if they so wish.

[steadyeddie]

 * Since most of those links seem to go to one non-primary commercial site, it appears to me more like SEO trickery than useful content. Also, external links are generally discouraged here. - (WT-en) Dguillaime 15:15, 18 February 2009 (EST)

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Talk:Bloomington (Indiana)

Comments

 * Why was my link to Bloomingpedia removed?

 * For a variety of reasons, we try to stick to only a few specific kinds of links here. The main reason is that we don't want Wikivoyage articles to rely on links to other web sites; we want people to add material to this guide, so it can be freely distributed, even in print.  Take a look at Project:External links for more explanation. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 09:45, 24 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Thanks for the info. Must be a full time job keeping up with that policy :)

 * This page states that Snow Lion is owned by the Dali Lama's brother in one part and the nephew in the restaurant description. Any confirmation on which one it is.  I think it is the nephew.  Also, if anyone knows i think that the owners of Little Tibet are also related to the Dali Lama.

 * I have condensed much of the existing information into more formal listings and organized them by adding sub-categories. When I could not preserve the exact language of previous contributions, I have attempted to preserve the spirit.  Please feel free to make edits where I have made omissions.  - (WT-en)  SaraBethTaylor 08 July 2009

Temporary information
Not being a frequent participant here, I'd appreciate input on this edit. Right now, the main dual-carriageway/divided highway through Bloomington (Indiana), connecting it to the larger city of Indianapolis, is being converted into an interstate highway, and the construction process has changed travel times from one hour to two for this trip. I know that it's good to include reminders about ongoing potential hiccups in travel, but what about temporary stuff? Obviously construction will be finished before too long; they're just upgrading the existing highway now, and it took them only a couple of years to build an entirely new interstate a little farther south. It's not like this information will be good to keep, but it's definitely useful at the moment. Nyttend (talk) 03:25, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

 * It is your call. I think it is fine to include since a potential traveler would want to know if there are any potential issues and be able to research them outside of this site. I would recommend including the anticipated completion date. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 03:32, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I threw it in because it's a major local issue (friends in the area, where I used to live, have mentioned it as a big deal), and I figured I'd definitely want to know if I went back for a visit.  I've added a bit about the projected completion, so thanks for that reminder.  Nyttend (talk) 03:40, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) These types of informational warnings are common for issues that will affect travelers over a long period (like your highway construction example), but usually discouraged for short duration issues ("downtown roads will be busy this weekend due to a college football game"). As Andrewssi2 notes, please include an anticipated completion date so the information can be removed when it becomes outdated.  See Big Sur for an example of how such a warning was implemented elsewhere. -- Ryan • (talk) • 03:41, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ditto on the thanks. They've been working on this project for several years, and (especially in Bloomington) it's been highly contentious, so while I'm no longer in the area, it should be easy to find information about its completion.  Interstate 69 in Indiana has been updated a good deal, so we should be able to update this page even without leaving the WMF servers.  Nyttend (talk) 03:48, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

 * I wouldn't put a notice for a college football game, but a big enough short-term event with a huge influx of tourists, astronomical hotel prices, etc., such as Super Bowl or CES deserves highly visible notice, IMO. See Template index for one format. For longer-term road construction, what you did was perfect. The tricky part is remembering to remove it. As a partial solution, I try to insert a very visible comment, to grab the attention of someone viewing the edit window, e.g.:
 * It would be nice if we had some more formal tickler mechanism. Peter Chastain (talk) 05:37, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * FYI&I (i.e. For Your Information and Inspiration ;-P) take a look to it:Template:Da aggiornare. That's how we manage temporary information. Furthermore with the help of dedicated categories, we are able to monitor and updated them when needed. -- Andyrom75 (talk) 13:50, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * You can add "impressed" to that list. The three "update" categories seem easy to monitor. I am somewhat sensitive to the cost (to novice editors) of adding article-related templates, especially when wikitext is allowed as a template parameter. Given the way the visual editor handles nested template calls, I would not wish to be a newby visual-editing the text in  (at the beginning of it:Roma), for example. But if the usage were limited to comments regarding what needs to be updated, I would consider the template worthwhile. Peter Chastain (talk) 19:37, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * How about embedding the event template in the message box, you then have a date check category with having to create a new template. --Traveler100 (talk) 22:25, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you mentioned event and the date check category, since I am enough of a newby not to have been aware of those. That template is good for things that need to be formatted like a listing, but I think that something that doesn't generate text would be more generally applicable. Peter Chastain (talk) 03:16, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * How about embedding the event template in the message box, you then have a date check category with having to create a new template. --Traveler100 (talk) 22:25, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you mentioned event and the date check category, since I am enough of a newby not to have been aware of those. That template is good for things that need to be formatted like a listing, but I think that something that doesn't generate text would be more generally applicable. Peter Chastain (talk) 03:16, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

 * On sv-wp there is w:sv:template:Bäst före ("best before"), which is invisible until the date given in the template (as YYYYMMDD, treated as a number) has passed. It also adds the page to a maintenance category by month. --LPfi (talk) 17:20, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Bloomington-Normal

I seriously think that Bloomington-Normal is a single destination since they basically need to have the exact same sleep section (all of the hotels are on the perifery). -- (WT-en) Mark 00:58, 2 Apr 2005 (EST)

 * Don't entirely agree, as each has some identifying features. I'm editing the headers for both Bloomington and Normal; please examine and comment.  (I'm an ex-Normalite, so some of my comments about Bloomington might be, well, biased. :-) ) -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:55, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

 * Sure, they're totally different for locals. What I'm trying to say is that from a traveller's point of view they are basically a single destination. -- (WT-en) Mark 02:12, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

 * Sorry if I'm harping on about this, but these two don't have enough material to be split. Check it out:  The entire Chicagoland area is covered by a single article: Chicago.  Some of the suburbs covered are so different from the city or each other that they dwarf the difference between Bloomington and Normal.  Yet they are a single article.  The reason is that we don't yet have enough material to merit separate articles.

 * You are quite right that Bloomington and Normal feel quite different especially to locals. However, since you Sleep in the same place for a visit to both it's probably better to consolidate the articles until there's so much data that we have to split them.  -- (WT-en) Mark 15:07, 15 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * I don't really feel strongly about this. If you (or anyone else) want to go to the effort of setting up a merge and redirects, by all means do so with my blessing.  I think it's important to do it by way of a joint page with redirects, though, because people will use different paths to the information.  (Example: if you look at the airport code, etc., you'll think Bloomington is the dominant component, while if you know about Illinois State University, you'll think Normal is.)  While the notion of a single, relatively short article covering all of Chicagoland seems strange to me simply because of the volume of information (the existing page surely doesn't do it justice), it's a different situation because everybody knows what the center of Chicagoland is.  Anyway, do whatever you think appropriate, no big deal to me, as long as both cities/towns are there and provide routes to the article with the substantial stuff. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 21:50, 15 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * Thanks. I didn't want to just do it since I might step on your toes. As for Chicago, I really think there's plenty of stuff on that page and that the burbs should get their own articles.  For that matter perhaps there's nearly enough to re-do Chicago with the Huge City template.  Oh well, I'm hardly ever there any more so my info is getting a bit out of date. -- (WT-en) Mark 03:32, 16 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * OK, so I've started the merge. Please feel free to help. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:31, 27 Dec 2005 (EST)

Why (Illinois)?
Whence the "(Illinois)" in the name? Is this competing with countless multitudes of other Bloomington-Normals out there? (WT-en) Jpatokal 20:10, 27 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Chuckle ... No, of course not.  However, it (1) simplifies some of the merging and redirecting that's going on, and (2) looks toward a time when we're forced to include state names owing to volume.  Think it ought to be just Bloomington-Normal?  I don't have a problem with that, if somebody else wants to do the virtual paperwork. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:45, 27 Dec 2005 (EST)

What happened to Steak and Shake?
An anonymous contributor says that the original Steak and Shake restaurant -- a Route 66 original -- isn't there any more. Can you provide details, please? A couple of other articles are going to need correction too, if it's entirely gone. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:29, 18 June 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Blowing Rock

pov on this page is this acceptible? --(WT-en) GatorFeet 08:56, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

 * As long as it's fair. The Project:Tone is kind of overblown though... (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:26, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Bluefield (West Virginia)

Looking to relocate to Bluefield VA or WV. Any info on life in the area?

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Talk:Blue Lagoon

The restaurant there
Sorry for not discussing it at this talk page first. However, Lava Restaurant is actually called LAVA Restaurant, and I have a citation to verify it : Nigos (talk) 05:57, 9 May 2018 (UTC) Nigos (talk) 05:57, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * We don't generally follow "corporate shouting". If a company decides to spell their name in all caps, fine for them. We don't have to follow that. Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:49, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * HEY LOOK AT ME! WHAT I HAVE TO SAY IS MORE IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S ALL IN CAPS! Yeah, we're not here to shill for a restaurant. Unless LAVA is an acronym, it should be "Lava". And I bet that being in Iceland, it's about the volcanic type of lava, and not the Lounge for Adventurous Vegans and Anarchists. Ground Zero (talk) 22:08, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Corporate shouting in Blue Lagoon
See here. Should we follow our de facto rule not to have corporate shouting show up in our writing? Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:51, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree. If it's not an acronym then it shouldn't be in all caps. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 16:18, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Blue Mounds State Park

Bison
There have been several edits claiming that this park has "the only free-roaming bison herd in a state park in the US". Custer State Park in South Dakota has a herd of 1500 bison that roams freely through the park. If there is a distinction that I'm missing please clarify, but otherwise I think the original edit was incorrect. -- (WT-en) Ryan (talk) 18:15, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
 * I apologize for the inaccuracy. Blue Mounds SP made this claim for many years, and I took it at face value.  Now, however, I'm unable to find that statement at the official park website.  Thanks for keeping this article honest.  It's a work in progress, and I really appreciate your input. (WT-en) Spottacus 00:23, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Blue Mountains

Mistake
This: you'll only find two fast food restaurants between Sydney and Lithgow

...is just not true... What did the writer mean? Between Katoomba and Lithgow maybe? There are hundreds if not THOUSANDS of Fast Food places between Sydn and Lith.

ALSO: It's JAMISON Valley not JAMIESON or other variations.

(WT-en) khrystene 15:49 4 jan 06 CET

link deletion
I put in a link to an extraordinary (non commercial) web site which has aerial video of the Blue Mountains. It was deleted. I feel that it comes under the external links guidelines as "exceptional" Seems odd to me that a site like this is excluded but a link to a business like a hire car company link is OK. I would be interested in everybody's opinion.

 * You have mis-read the policy on External Links. The reference to exceptional there is in regard to travel rating sites. Wikivoyage specifically disallows links to non-primary sources, and for very obvious reasons. Videos of this nature are in no way primary, and if we did allow such links, the site would soon degenerate into little more than a travel industry link farm. The deletion was quite correct and in line with Wikivoyage policy. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 21:10, 6 March 2010 (EST)

I accept your point regarding exceptional sites being for rating sites. The external links guide says to "avoid" (not prohibit) ... "Personal image galleries and photo/video sharing websites (Flickr, Webshots, YouTube, etc)" The site I linked to is nothing like Flickr, Webshots, YouTube. It is not a video sharing web site and not a personal gallery. It is not a commercial site and doesn't even have google ads like wikivoyage does. I don't see how it could possibly have anything to do with the travel industry. Normally I wouldn't really care much at all about this but it really rocks my view of Wikivoyage and I think it is an important fundimental issue. To delete such an extraordinarily valuable resource on a technicality is bureaucracy gone mad and I think it limits the growth and usefulness of wikivoyage. I would be interested in the views of people who are actually using the Blue Mountains page for information rather than the people who are trying to police technicalities.

 * The policy really is extremely clear and cannot be debated in the context of one link to one video. I am absolutely sure there are hundreds of thousands of videos of attractions around the world that are just as good. The policy of not linking to non-primary sites has served Wiktiravel extremely well for many years, and will continue to do so. Also can you please make an effort to sign your name on talk pages so we know who we is saying what. Just hit the 2nd button from the right on the tool bar which appears on every edit screen. Thanks --(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:32, 7 March 2010 (EST)

 * [Edit conflict] If you are interested in why Wikivoyage has the strict external links policy it has, you might care to read through the (lengthy) discussions at Project:External links. The short answer, though, is that our site was once quickly devolving into a link directory of little use to people on the road.

 * The main reasons for the policy: 1) we want information added here, not off-site; 2) our guides are geared not to being a web-project, but rather to practical real-world use; and 3) it's a slippery slope to try and pick and choose which links are worthwhile and which are not. #3 explains the "primary source" rule—it's fair as it is categorical and objective. #2 explains why Wikivoyage isn't terribly interested in video content. And #1 might encourage you to instead upload some good images of the Blue Mountains, or add better descriptions/information? I might be being overly hopeful, though, as it sounds that you are peeved about the link bit ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 01:35, 7 March 2010 (EST)

 * As an aside, I know the Blue Mountains a bit, and there are lots of things this article needs (a video is not one of them). Your enthusiasm for the destination would be better spent improving what is a not very complete article.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:39, 7 March 2010 (EST)

 * I'd re-iterate Peter's suggestion of reading through Project:External links for an understanding of the current policy before stating that it is "misguided". As soon as someone comes up with a reliable way of allowing additional links that also allows us to easily keep articles from becoming spammy we'll adopt it, but in five years no one has come up with a suggestion that is better than the current status quo.  I'd also agree with Burmesedays that effort would probably be better spent adding other content to the article such as information about the destination, what to do there, etc. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 03:08, 7 March 2010 (EST)

I live in the Blue Mountains and decided I'd like to start contributing information I have on my local area. This was the first contribution of many planned because of the "wow, wouldn't that be a great resource on Wikivoyage." factor. This amazing link site was in fact what inspired me to start contributing. It's telling that there were been no adverse responses from real users - just the the technicality police who prowl Wikivoyage with rulebooks set in stone... Yes, you need a rulebook but you also need a brain to go with it. You guys should be deleting items that users don't want to see or are not useful. Not good stuff on some technicality. Perhaps you guys should use your rulebooks to flag something as inappropriate and let real users decide. You are not allowing Wikivoyage to be an evolving dynamic resource. And that is why the Blue Mountains page is going to stay mediocre and people like me are not going to bother contributing.

See ya...I'm moving on.--(WT-en) Arwtee 16:15, 7 March 2010 (EST)

I agree entirely with Artie above. I just put some great stuff up and it got deleted by some idiot. waste of time bothering here. Peter B.

 * For any future contributors who might be reading this discussion, it's worth pointing out that referring to other editors as "idiots" is probably not the best way to work on a collaborative travel guide. This site is the result of thousands of people volunteering time to work collaboratively, and while it's not a perfect system it's undeniable that it has produced a fairly impressive body of work. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:01, 29 May 2010 (EDT)

 * There are lots of great sites on the Blue Mountains, and great info out there. The two sites being linked to are great examples of that.  However, our goal at wikivoyage is to make a self-contained guide.  Other sites have other objectives.  Everybody is more that welcome to add info to wikivoyage, but we incorporate it here, and don't just link to it.  --(WT-en) inas 20:24, 29 May 2010 (EDT)

You guys just don't get it.... Artie above summed it up - You people don't even use the pages, you just enforce stupid rules. It's telling that the only 2 contributors to the Blue Mountains site in quite a few months now don't want be involved any more..I'm with Artie you can have your silly little fiefdom - there are much better places for real contributors to spend time on. Peter B

 * They aren't the only two contributions in the past two months. The rule is just one the community has decided on - for many reasons.  If you want to join the community and the discussion on how we best incorporate links, you are welcome to.  Discuss it at Project:External links.  Of course there are many sites to choose from and contribute to.  However, you will probably find that most quality sites will have their own set of rules to abide by.  If you wish, here at WT you can be part of the community that develops the rules as well.  --(WT-en) inas 00:52, 30 May 2010 (EDT)

 * I re-iterate my point, rather than worrying about one half-decent video and whinging on a talk page, if you really care about the Blue Moutnains, spend your energy on improving the article.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 00:55, 30 May 2010 (EDT)

 * What an amazing coincidence that two anonymous users would want to post links to the exact same video hosted on websites hosted by the same ISP, and have the exact same complaints when it's removed in accordance with clearly documented policy! Why, if I was a more suspicious sort, I'd think there was some deceptive, bad-faith sock-puppetry going on.  — (WT-en) D. Guillaime 03:12, 30 May 2010 (EDT)

The stuff I put in was as a result of an article in the Blue Mountains Gazette about the local Aboriginal people and their new web site a couple of months ago. You think because two Blue Mountains locals (who probably saw the same article) contribute similar stuff that there is some sort of conspiracy? This is too weird and definately my last word on this site

Region structure
The article is a bit of a mess, with a lot of listings at 'Blue Mountains' level, but then a lot of sub-articles such as Wollemi_National_Park. Any suggestions how to fix? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 04:54, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Banner replacement

I was up in the Blue Mountains yesterday and I believe the current banner doesn't do the area justice. It may be impressive to look far down on the trees n the valley below, but I would prefer a mountain vista as more enticing.

Thoughts? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:03, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

 * I think the proposed banner is better. It has more of the mountain stuff Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:06, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

 * Yeah, the new banner is more majestic and also a better composition. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:34, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

 * Thanks, updating --Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:07, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Banner discussion 2
The Blue Mountains can never get more beautiful. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:43, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Blue Ridge Parkway

Cold Mountain
Cold Mountainis in the Great Balsams Mountains which are a part of the Blue Ridge Parkway within the appalachian mountains. Enjoy a spectacular view from this uninhabited area from as high as 6000 feet above sea level. Many people are familiar with the movie "Cold Mountain" from 1997 which was based on a popular novel.

There are 4 primary trail heads at Cold Mountain which include Big East Fork Trail Head, Camp Daniel Boone Trail Head, the Old Butt Knob Trail Head, and the Art Loeb Trail, which leads to the top of the mountain is an 11 mile round trip to the summit. The Black Balsam Parking Area is located on the Blue Ridge Parkway at mile marker 420.

The trail is a strenuous round trip hike in the beautiful Shining Rock Wilderness area. There are prime campsites near the Cold Mountain summit where you can enjoy 180 degree views. This area is best visited only on warm summer days. Snow usually covers the mountain peaks from October to May. More Information (WT-en) Waterfallsrus

Looking Glass Rock
Looking Glass Rock is a spectacular view from mile 417 on the Blue Ridge Parkway. Although it looks impossible to climb, there are many rock climbers that come here for what is considered one of the most strenuous climbs in our area. Fortunately for hikers there are easier ways to the top.

Looking Glass Rock is known for it's sheer face comprised of exposed Whiteside granite. Looking Glass refers to the way the surface reflects the sun like a mirror when rainwater freezes on its surface. Hikers, climbers, birders and photographers all enjoy coming here for the fantastic views. Looking Glass Rock(WT-en) Waterfallsrus

Map
A map is available from NPS, but it's huge -- four pages high. There is another in the public domain at the Wikipedia article, again pretty large. Would welcome any suggestions/ideas about how to display these. I feel that even chopped up and thumbnailed (unless just kept so small they could not be read as thumbnails), the map sections would use an awful lot of space, probably excluding some desired pictures. (WT-en) OldPine 19:26, 5 August 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Blueskin Bay

WikiOutdoors link
I updated the WikiOutdoors link to go directly to the WikiOutdoors category called Blueskin Bay. That way, there's one link in the left nav instead of two. For more information on linking between Wikivoyage and WikiOutdoors, check out the Project:Linking to WikiOutdoors article and the Wikivoyage_talk:Cooperating_with_WikiOutdoors article. Let me know if you have any questions and thanks for writing these articles! (WT-en) Kirasw 23:15, 1 March 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Blue Voyage

Please see Project:What is an article?. Individual tour companies do not get their own articles, although you are welcome to list the company within articles for the ports from which they operate. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 05:21, 15 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * It seemed to me that this is attempting to describe the general concept of cruising in the Aegean...? Hardly an article as it stands now, but I'm just wondering if it could be make into one. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:25, 15 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * OK, from this site it looks like Blue Voyage is the term used to describe cruising along the Aegean or Mediterranean shores of Turkey. I suppose that could be seen as an itinerary, although without at least some basic information I'm not sure that this page is worth keeping. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 05:33, 15 Jul 2005 (EDT)

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Wikivoyage talk:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense/Blumenort

Blumenort is not a city????


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Talk:Boa Vista

So there's a Boa Vista in Africa. Does anyone know if one or the other is significantly more famous? Or does this just need to be turned into a disambiguation page? (WT-en) Maj 14:05, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

 * They're probably similarly famous/unknown. I think a disambiguation page would fit here. (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 16:47, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

Destinations in Venezuela
Buses to destinations in Venezuela... I'd like to know which ones? (WT-en) Aidan 02:25, 10 August 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Bobo-Dioulasso

Hello unregistered contributor! It's really great so see this much coverage of an interesting place like Bobo, I'm really enjoying your contributions. But, you may want to check out our Manual of style, especially the article templates If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

I'd also help if you created a user account so we could welcome you on your talk page! Thanks! -- (WT-en) Majnoona 15:39, 25 February 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Boca Raton

Comments
Image gallery: (WT-en) gamweb 09:24, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

"Schools" section moved from article
Normally, this section would be called "Learn", but it's expected that listings will be for schools that offer courses lasting about 2 weeks or less for non-matriculated students. Glean what you can from this, if you like:

Schools

 * Florida Atlantic University - Located along Glades Road (exit from I-95). Serving nearly 30,000 students, FAU is the largest university in Boca Raton and home to several Division I athletics programs. Notable features include on-campus football and basketball stadiums, a medical school, an art house movie theater and two university art galleries. (http://www.fau.edu/)
 * Lynn University - Located on Military Rd (exit Yamato from I-95). Private college serving nearly 3,000 students known for its diverse population, aeronautics program, music conservatory and exceptional Division II athletes. (http://www.lynn.edu/)
 * Palm Beach State College (previously known as Palm Beach Community College) - Located on the campus of Florida Atlantic University and serving approximately 15,000 students at its Boca campus, Palm Beach State College offers a variety of classes including continuing education courses. (http://www.palmbeachstate.edu/)
 * Digital Media Arts College, more commonly known as DMAC, is a private arts college that focuses on programs in Animation, Game Art Design, Graphic Design, Advertising Design and Visual effects animation. (http://www.dmac.edu)

Altogether Boca Raton campuses serve around 48,000 college students daily so Boca Raton tends to have a steady population of younger people as well.

I think a "Learn" section could be restored that would start with an edited version of the first sentence and very briefly summarize what's special about some of these colleges, without actually listing them or giving them bullet points, but I suspect a consensus would be more likely to oppose any mention of 4-year colleges that don't offer ~2-week courses for non-matrics. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:34, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Bodø

I see that others are contributing here too, so I think we should start discussing the contents of several of the paragraphs. I have done some cleaning today, removing some typos and adding some info. The part on festivals sucks, and should be made into a list. I think we should try to include as many of the festivals going on in the rest of Salten as possible, such as that jazz thing in Beiarn, Troilltampen in Tysfjord, and all these bullshit festivals in Kjerringøy etc.

88.89.155.48 21:02, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Bodh Gaya

Bodh Gaya name
Each source uses other wording/spelling of the place (official page uses two BodhGaya and Bodhgaya). Sticked to preferred according to Getty Thesaurus of Geographic Names — Bodh Gaya. --(WT-en) JanSlupski 10:36, 31 Jan 2005 (EST)

Airport name & location
This article has "The nearest airport is at Gaya" but Gaya has "Bodhgaya is the nearest airport". Can someone who knows the area please correct one or the other? Pashley (talk) 05:09, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

"See" attractions ordering
Attractions under "see" should be listed in alpha order with one exception -- I think the Mahabodhi Temple complex should be listed first because it is the main reason any traveler would want to visit the town and is essentially the reason for the town's existence. Everything is centered around Mahabodhi, so I think we should tailor the article this way as well. Let me know if this goes against manual of style too much. Thanks. --GeneralPericles (talk) 22:14, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It does not. Alphabetical order may be the default, but it is not the only possible logical ordering. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:19, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Thanks for your help. Will leave it as is then. --GeneralPericles (talk) 03:24, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Promotion to Usable
After some research over the last couple of days, I've added a whole bunch of info to the article and everything here is accurate to the best of my knowledge. From my understanding of article status, because all the relevant sections are now mostly filled out, should we be able to promote this article from outline to usable status? --GeneralPericles (talk) 04:46, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Definitely Usable. I just changed its status. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:52, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Awesome, I'll update the expedition page. --GeneralPericles (talk) 05:31, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated!! Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:15, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Bodrum

Posted 27th of June 2009

My favourite season in Bodrum is from November through April, with generally very good weather with a few heavy shower periods followed by spring times (3), the first one in November, the next one some time after new year, and the last one in March/April. My favourite spring time of the 3 is definitely the one around new year, with the almond blossoming and the abundance of wild ruccola, and the not to cold nights, which you will have in February. Arnold

 * Hi Arnold. I have copied most of the above to the climate section of the article.--(WT-en) Vidimian 17:39, 29 November 2009 (EST)

 * Modified Sleep. Added Bodrum Backpackers, changed advertising for one hotel into a standard hotel listing. Removed listing for villa somewhere as webpage no longer exists and there was no other identifying info --(WT-en) LimeBanana 11:53, 26 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Modified See. Added the Mausoleum - Did not write too much about the mausoleum as it is covered in the history section (was i right to do that??) —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) LimeBanana (talk • contribs)

 * Yes, you were. As you possibly already noticed, "understand" section only deals with the history of the place, and it is a very helpful contribution you made to "see" section about details of visiting the place nowadays—many thanks for all your contributions. But unfortunately I had to remove the external link you added there, because as a policy we only link to primary sources, i.e. no links to other guides. You can read more on the policy on this page. – (WT-en) Vidimian 13:34, 29 April 2010 (EDT)

 * I should also add that, normally (say, had Mausoleum not been such an important place) the history and other important aspects of a sight (i.e. the reasons why travellers want to go there) go into the description of that "see" listing, so this is only an exception (though all that Mausoleum section can also be merged with the "see" listing). And if you have more details about that (for example, what to expect to see there. A lonely, atmospheric place? Stunning views of town/sunsets? Well-preserved ruins?—I guess this is not the case, just to give an idea), you can add those to the listing as well. – (WT-en) Vidimian 16:58, 29 April 2010 (EDT)

This is in the Asian part of Turkey, not the European. It is therefore wrong to put this under Europe.

Bodrum peninsula
“Bodrum” is used by tour operators to describe a slew of nearby resorts. Many are small and unlikely to merit their own page, but collectively they add up to a prime tourist destination. We therefore need to decide how to organise their content. My suggestion is:
 * Bitez to merge into Bodrum city, which could also cover Torba
 * Turgutreis to cover the peninsula west coast including Gumusluk
 * Yalikavak to cover its north coast including Gundogan and Golturkbuku.
 * Views? Grahamsands (talk) 20:34, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

 * I have never been to this area, so I don't really know these towns. But in the past I had a passing thought about how all of the peninsular towns minus Bodrum could be merged into a Bodrum Peninsula article. Your suggestion sounds as good as any. If any two towns to be merged into an article are on an equal footing in respect to the travel scene, that article could be named after both of them: e.g., Turgutreis-Gümüşlük or Yalıkavak-Göltürkbükü. Vidimian (talk) 09:39, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

 * I'd like to avoid hyphenated or "frankenpagenames" that are unwieldy and don't relate to any real place or local description. Turgutreis and Yalıkavak could be substantial pages once populated with, for example, all the hotels featured in western brochures - good evidence of their standard and viability. So I'll work on those lines and if that ploy fails, "Bodrum Peninsula" can be the fallback. Milas is a candidate for page creation, with a population of 55,000 and many nearby antiquities, but I'll probably defer it to the next work cycle. Grahamsands (talk) 10:32, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Vidimian (talk) 10:58, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Bogor

Get around by minibus gives a link to a route list. Link is broken though. Pls fix or remove. (WT-en) Tierecke 12:33, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

Uncal tourist minibus may be better removed. unclear if still exists. https://www.instagram.com/uncal.bogor/ Google docs says registration closed… Travelasia24 (talk) 04:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Bogotá

Districts
So should this be a Huge city? It looks like there's quite a few districts/'hoods... but I dont know the place. (WT-en) Majnoona 00:45, 29 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * I am I local and I wouldn't recommend splitting the page into districts. It iis true there are many but most are unattravtive to travelers due to insecurity or just because there's nothing to see.201.216.3.77 17:25, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

 * I live here and I  definitely  think that Bogotá should be organized as a Huge city. Some places are unattractive or uninteresting, but that just means that undeniably a traveler would benefit from specific district and location information that do apply and do offer much by themselves. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 190.24.216.162 (talk • contribs)

 * As a local, I agree with the last comment. --190.157.154.245 05:32, 4 September 2011 (EDT)

8 years later...

Bogotá needs to be districted to make much any sense. Nearly 8 million people live within the city limits, and it's a big, confusing place. Even if this leaves us with some outline districts for now, I think having the organization plus descriptions of what to find in the principal districts would help readers (and I can at least write about the main areas). Having spent less than two months in Bogotá, I'm very far from an expert, so input from a local would be hugely helpful for everything outside Centro, Chapinero, or Usaquén!

The districts on the map to the right are mostly either individual localidades or groups (here's a good basic map of them ). The exceptions are for El Chapinero, which I split into three: Chapinero & Zona G, Zona Rosa, and Parque de la 93, and the addition of Ciudad Salitre and Botanical Gardens to Teusaquillo (I moved the west boundary of Teusaquillo a bit out to keep from splitting up the El Salitre area).

The one thing that sticks out as being a little odd is having Los Mártires included in Bogotá/West, since it's really a downtown area. But it's a downtown area that, for all I can tell, no travelers visit—I personally don't have a clue as to whether there are reasons to go there (or to avoid it). Since I'm under the impression that it shouldn't have it's own article, I've tossed it in with the rest of the West.

The thing that might look odd is that La Candelaria is almost completely surrounded by Santa Fé, but that's just a reality of the city—the distinctive historic center (which needs its own article) is surrounded by a different, coherent district.

Anyone have an opinion on this? If not, I'll implement the changes after waiting a bit. --Peter Talk 04:10, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

 * Looking at this harder, I'm going to go out on a limb and give Los Mártires its own article, and see how it looks. If it doesn't work as a standalone article, I think we should merge it into a Bogotá/Santa Fé-Los Mártires article. Also, as I suspected, it's just me having this conversation, so I'm going to plunge. --Peter Talk 17:38, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

 * So I've now done this, and tried to rewrite the individual article sections here well enough to keep the guide usable—hopefully with some success! In the coming weeks I'm going to work on building up the district articles. I'm still not sure whether Los Mártires should be rolled into Santa Fé or not. I'd rather keep them separate for simplicity's sake, but it might not make for a good article. --Peter Talk 23:06, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

 * The more I think about this, the more I think Santa Fé and Los Mártires should be combined—the latter district does not have that much to see/do, and I simply do not know enough about it to write much. If someone else more knowledgeable starts writing about the area, then we could split it out in the future. If splitting, a snapshot of Los Mártires prior to the merge is here . --Peter Talk 20:34, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Bogotá or Bogota ?
per http://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Wikivoyage:Naming_conventions&oldid=1892031#Article_naming, some people may wonder why the heck are we using Bogotá as our article title?

The answer is to be found here: --W. Franke-mailtalk 18:44, 28 September 2012 (CEST)

"Mind control" drug
The medical community is not convinced that scopolamine has the ability to lower a human's inhibitions enough for them to be mind controlled, zombified, or any of the other ridiculous claims that are attributed to it. Here's an example. It seems a bit sensationalist to continue to referring to the drug this way in articles about Colombia. Vantine84 (talk) 10:02, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

 * "Scopolamine" and "mind control" are not found in the current version of this article. It looks like they are covered in Colombia, so we should have a discussion about this drug there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:19, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Austrian Embassy
The article claims it's been closed since 2012 and business handled by the Swiss, but [this] suggests it's open. Am I missing something here? 160.93.6.9 19:12, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Climate diagram
There is no vertical scrolling possible on smartphones. The same issue was fixed in the Medellin article. Could somebody with this kind of knowledge fix it here as well?

In the Medellin article the code is written in this way:

Flightnavigator (talk) 06:04, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Verbosity
I'm concerned that parts of this article, including the lede and Bogotá, are too verbose and risk causing the reader to roll their eyes and look for a site with pithier coverage. Can we possibly make the lede almost just a tag line and leave the details for other sections? And can we dial back the sell job and eliminate the population figures in the Districts section? I think I'll start doing a little work on that now, but anyone can help. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:58, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * For better or worse, I've copy edited through Teusaquillo-Salitre in the Districts section. I have not (or at least not yet) had the pleasure of visiting Bogotá, so see what you think of the edits. Am I on the right track? If you feel like I've deleted anything that's a huge draw for visitors and needs to be mentioned, add it, but be mindful of not going on too long. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:26, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The Boroughs section is definitely way too long. I agree with your edits, and thunk there should get more cutting. Ground Zero (talk) 03:41, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I too agree that the boroughs section is way too long. We may be able to elaborate a bit more on the districts known for street art, such as the world-famous La Candelaria, but otherwise, it was due to be truncated. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:08, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for cutting out more verbiage, Ground Zero. I made some more edits. I'm really skeptical that shopping malls are a big draw for tourists. Are shopping malls in Bogotá much different from those in other countries? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:17, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Shopping is a popular past-time for many people. I don't get it, but not everyone is like me. I visited West Edmonton Mall last year to see what it was about, but skipped the Mall of America later that trip because I figured it would be more of the same. My Minneapolis friends assured me that it is a big draw for tourists. Ground Zero (talk) 04:27, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I get that one, because it was the biggest mall in the world or the country for some time and has stuff like indoor waterfalls. But just being one of 10 or 15 big malls in Bogota doesn't seem much worth mentioning in a summary of the boroughs. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:35, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I should say, in Malaysia, malls are a draw because they have fabulous food! Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:36, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I went to KL's central market (Central Market Kuala Lumpur) half a decade ago and have to agree that the food there was more than exceptional (to the point where I went twice). Some of KL's other malls like Suria KLCC are also famous because of their architecture. But this specific mall in Bogotá isn't one of those, though, so agree that it doesn't need to be mentioned in the district summary. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 07:56, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Malls were mentioned as highlights in most of the boroughs until some of the mentions were deleted. I have no idea whether any in particular are big draws for x or y reason. If you've been there, maybe you could speak to that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:21, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I haven't been to Bogotá or Colombia yet, sadly, so I don't know which malls are the most popular with tourists. It's been on my bucket list for quite some time, but with the recent civil unrest in Peru, I don't think I'll be heading to South America in the near future. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:55, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * What's happening in Peru shouldn't put you off from visiting Colombia, unless you feel it's essential to visit both countries on the same trip. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:20, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I've always had plans to visit both on the same trip along with Chile on a one-month trip, and flying over 16,000 km four times is no easy task ;-). SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 11:06, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * As a local, whose lived his entire life in Bogota, I would like to say that malls are a huge draw in Bogota, because us Bogotanos love shopping. Typically on a Sunday, most Bogotanos go to shopping malls to spend time with their friends and families and have fun. Some malls like the Andino Shopping mall, are renowned for their luxury brands including Louis Vuitton, Rolex, Carolina Herrera, Hermes, etc, other malls such as the Santafe, Atlantis, and Titan Plaza are renowned for their food options and famous resturants, and lastly other malls such as the newly built Parque La Colina mall, are renowned for their modernist achitecture. So wether it is for their food, shops, entertaiment, of for other reasons, malls are a big draw for all Bogotanos (like I said, especially during the weekends). It also has something to do with our culture, that we love to shop and spend time with friends and family, especially at places such as shopping malls. So I think, the reason, malls were included, is just because of how important they are to both locals and torusists alike. I have actually had friends from the U.S come to visit, and a lot of them are awe-sturck by the number of large shopping malls that we have here in Colombia, and with such great variety. At the same time certain malls have stores that are cheapers than other stores in the U.S, which is why shopping is also a big draw for tourists when they come to Bogota. 2600:4040:2A94:4000:1CA8:2A2F:3243:D18F 03:39, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Many friends that I have, from the U.S who have visited Bogota, are simply amazed by the immense variety of shopping malls  that we have here. And in our society, its just something that's kind of essential. I think most Bogotanos could never imagine a spending weekend or at least a couple of weekends without going to a shopping mall. 2600:4040:2A94:4000:1CA8:2A2F:3243:D18F 03:43, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Re-add some mentions, then, keeping in mind that they need to be interesting to visitors, not just Bogotanos, but keep it brief here. These malls can and should be covered in more detail in district articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:15, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

I tried to cut down a bit in January. I got reverted and left the article. You might want to check Special:Diff/4595168/4595174 Special:Diff/4594441/4595174 and User talk:LPfi#Thank you for your help with the Bogota article. –LPfi (talk) 08:01, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I've gotten reverted twice. It's a problem to deal with a user with a dynamic IP address. I hope we don't have to edit-protect this article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:19, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Here's some more copy editing. I don't think it subtracted any content, but I submit that it did make the article less verbose and more readable, which should benefit everyone. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:12, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I've semi-protected the article for the timebeing due to edit warring. If the IP consistently edit wars, then we can always block the /64 for disruptive editing. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:33, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe it will prod the IP user to engage in discussion here, explaining what content they feel is really important to include where. That would be more productive than edit warring. If it's really important to add more content, that might be doable without using lots of words. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:44, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * They seem to be back. I think they should get into a more from the bottom up approach. The Michelin restaurants cannot be found in the district articles, and the highlights should be pointed out in the See (etc.) rather than in the lead. I think a bit more of linking in those sections wouldn't hurt: now one must hunt around the districts to find the listing, which in some cases (such as the Michelin restaurants) indeed is missing. –LPfi (talk) 07:56, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yep. And your advice is good. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:09, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * For reference, most of their contributions can be found on Special:Contributions/2600:4040:2A94:0:0:0:0:0/48, if anyone needs it. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 11:40, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I combined their IP talk pages at User talk:2600:4040:2A94:0:0:0:0:0. An IPv4 address is linked from the first message, I assume there may be some more, but at least the bulk of discussion on their user talk pages is probably now at this page. –LPfi (talk) 16:13, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * (Hmm: all contributions seem to be in 2600:4040:2A94:4000:0:0:0:0/64, I don't know why you chose the /48. We might get some false hits (65,000 users?). I first got the impression that there are contributions outside the 64 range, but I cannot find any now. –LPfi (talk) 16:23, 20 April 2023 (UTC))
 * I must've entered the wrong address yesterday, leading me to get zero contributions. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 23:05, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Bogotá


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Talk:Bogotá, D.C.

This article name does not seem to meet our Project:Article naming conventions -- could someone suggest an alternative (or go ahead and move it)? Thanks (WT-en) Majnoona 19:57, 25 June 2006 (EDT)

Shouldn't it just be a redirect to the article for the English spelling, Bogota? I don't know the area, so do not want to mak any change myself. Checking Bogota, I find the same airport name, though. (WT-en) Pashley 07:33, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

title: Talk:Bogotá, D.C.


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Talk:Bohemia

Train schedule from article
''The below was removed from the main article because a schedule is not the best information to have in the article due to the fact that it may change. What would be better is to have a few paragraphs explaining the possibilities along major routes.'' -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 12:57, 4 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * R 910 Praha Masarykovo n. (15:56) - Kralupy nad Vltavou - Slany - Zlonice - Klobuky v Cechach - Peruc - Louny - Louny stred - Most - Jirkov zast. - Chomutov mesto - Chomutov (18:44)
 * R 911 Chomutov (5:45) - Chomutov mesto - Jirkov zast. - Most - Louny stred - Louny - Peruc - Zlonice - Slany - Kralupy nad Vltavou - Praha Masarykovo n. (8:29)
 * R 912 Praha hl.n. (19:45) - Praha-Holesovice - Kralupy nad Vltavou - Slany - Zlonice - Klobuky v Cechach - Peruc - Louny - Louny stred - Obrnice - Most - Trebusice - Jirkov zast. - Chomutov mesto - Chomutov (22:41)
 * R 913 Chomutov (13:46) - Chomutov mesto - Jirkov zast. - Most - Louny stred - Louny - Peruc - Zlonice - Slany - Kralupy nad Vltavou - Praha Masarykovo n. (16:33)
 * R 990 Plzen hl.n. (6:10) - Horni Briza - Kaznejov - Plasy - Zihle - Blatno u Jesenice - Podborany - Kastice - Zatec zapad - Chomutov (8:34)
 * R 991 Chomutov (6:57) - Zatec zapad - Kastice - Podborany - Blatno u Jesenice - Zihle - Plasy - Kaznejov - Plzen hl.n. (9:21)
 * R 992 Plzen hl.n. (10:10) - Horni Briza - Kaznejov - Plasy - Zihle - Blatno u Jesenice - Podborany - Zatec zapad - Chomutov (12:34)
 * R 993 Chomutov (13:15) - Zatec zapad - Podborany - Blatno u Jesenice - Zihle - Plasy - Kaznejov - Plzen hl.n. (15:40)
 * R 994 Plzen hl.n. (16:33) - Kaznejov - Plasy - Zihle - Blatno u Jesenice - Podborany - Zatec zapad - Chomutov (18:56)
 * R 995 Chomutov (17:35) - Zatec zapad - Podborany - Blatno u Jesenice - Zihle - Plasy - Kaznejov - Plzen hl.n. (19:57)
 * R 1415 Chomutov (16:40) - Chomutov mesto - Jirkov zast. - Most - Obrnice - Louny stred - Louny - Peruc - Klobuky v Cechach - Zlonice - Slany - Podlesin - Zvoleneves - Kralupy nad Vltavou - Praha-Bubenec - Praha-Holesovice - Praha hl.n. - Praha-Vrsovice (19:44)
 * R 1460 Turnov (15:01) - Turnov mesto - Karlovice-Sedmihorky - Hruba Skala - Borek pod Troskami - Rovensko pod Troskam - Libun - Jicin - Kopidlno - Rozdalovice - Krinec - Nymburk mesto - Praha-Liben - Praha hl.n. - Praha-Vrsovice (18:03)
 * R 1492 Plzen hl.n. (14:52) - Horni Briza - Kaznejov - Plasy - Zihle - Blatno u Jesenice - Podborany - Zatec zapad - Chomutov - Chomutov mesto - Jirkov zast. - Most - Bilina - Duchcov - Teplice v Cechach - Usti nad Labem zapad - Usti nad Labem hl.n. (18:26)
 * R 1493 Chomutov (15:39) - Zatec zapad - Kastice - Podborany - Blatno u Jesenice - Zihle - Plasy - Kaznejov - Plzen hl.n. (18:00)
 * Sp 1795 Chomutov (19:22) - Zatec zapad - Podborany - Blatno u Jesenice - Zihle - Plasy - Kaznejov - Plzen hl.n. (21:46)
 * Sp 1886 Liberec (7:50) - Liberec-Horni Ruzodol - Jablonne v Podjested - Mimon - Jestrebi - Stare Splavy - Doksy (9:16)
 * Sp 1887 Doksy (16:57) - Stare Splavy - Mimon - Jablonne v Podjested - Liberec-Horni Ruzodol - Liberec (18:27)
 * Os 2523 Rakovnik (22:10) - Rakovnik zast. - Luzna u Rakovnika - Revnicov - Nove Straseci - Rynholec - Stochov - Kacice - Kamenne Zehrovice - Kladno-Rozdelov - Kladno - Unhost - Pavlov - Jenec - Hostivice - Praha-Ruzyne - Praha-Veleslavin - Praha-Dejvice - Praha-Bubny - Praha hl.n. (23:57)
 * Os 5201 Kolin(CZ) (4:43) - Velky Osek - Sany - Dobsice nad Cidlinou - Chotovice - Prevysov - Chlumec nad Cidlinou - Nove Mesto nad Cidl. - Karanice - Kratonohy - Dobrenice - Lhota pod Libcany - Praskacka - Hradec Kralove-Kukl. - Hradec Kralove hl.n. - Hradec Kralove zast. - Hradec Kralove-Sl.pr - Blesno - Trebechovice p.Orebe - Petrovice nad Orlici - Tyniste nad Orlici - Zdar nad Orlici - Borohradek - Cermna nad Orlici - Plchuvky - Ujezd u Chocne - Chocen (7:00)
 * Os 5234 Jaromer (18:01) - Semonice - Cernozice - Smirice - Predmerice nad Labem - Hradec Kralove hl.n. - Praskacka - Lhota pod Libcany - Dobrenice - Kratonohy - Karanice - Nove Mesto nad Cidl. - Chlumec nad Cilinou - Prevysov - Dobsice nad Cidlinou - Sany - Velky Osek - Kolin(CZ) (20:03)
 * Os 6041 Mlada Boleslav hl.n. (4:37) - Neprevazka - Dobrovice - Voderady - Lustenice - Vlkava - Vsejany - Veleliby - Nymburk mesto - Nymburk hl.n. (5:37)
 * Os 6354 Frydlant v Cechach (5:31) - Minkovice - Visnova - Filipovka - Cernousy (5:46)
 * Os 6355 Cernousy (6:03) - Filipovka - Visnova - Minkovice - Frydlant v Cechach (6:18)
 * Os 6364 Frydland v Cechach (12:54) - Minkovice - Visnova - Filipovka - Cernousy (13:09)
 * Os 6365 Cernousy (13:48) - Filipovka - Visnova - Minkovice - Frydlant v Cechach (14:07)
 * Os 6552 Louny predmesti (7:58) - Brezno u Postoloprt - Postoloprty - Lisany u Zatce - Dolejsi Hurky - Tvrsice - Zatec - Zatec zapad (8:28)
 * Os 9380 Nymburk hl.n. (5:14) - Lysa nad Labem - Celakovice - Praha-Vysocany - Praha-Liben - Uvaly - Cesky Brod - Poricany (6:29)
 * Os 9820 Praha hl.n. (0:15) - Praha-Bubny - Praha-Dejvice - Praha-Veleslavin - Praha-Ruzyne - Hostivice - Jenec - Pavlov - Unhost - Kladno - Kladno mesto - Kladno-Ostrovec (1:12)
 * Os 26713 Postoloprty (17:39) - Brezno u Postoloprt - Louny predmesti (17:48)

Map
Can we please color it in appropriately? Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:19, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Boise

Boise is not the 3rd largest city in the american northwest, refer to the bosie wikipedia page for the discussion on this.

Cleanup
I'm going to be doing some reorganization and adding some more fleshed out information to this page in the next couple of days. Hawaiian Eskimo (talk) 22:46, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

 * Some suggestions that might be useful: some of the items in this article are not necessarily specific to Boise and could be moved to the appropriate neighboring city article (Meridian, Nampa, etc). In addition, the "Eat" and "Drink" listings would benefit greatly from sub-dividing, either by price range (Budget, Mid-range, Splurge, see Article templates and Template:Eatpricerange) or by location (downtown, etc) - note the generally Wikivoyage uses price ranges unless there are very well-defined locations that cover the entire city.  Thanks for helping out! -- Ryan • (talk) • 22:54, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll keep an eye out Hawaiian Eskimo (talk) 19:44, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * lol, Les Bois was under "shopping". I'm assuming this wiki isn't focusing on billionaires looking to buy racehorses as its primary demographic, so I axed it. I'm going to start converting the listings to tags on everything after I make sure these places are still open and verify the addresses. Hawaiian Eskimo (talk) 23:08, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

title: Talk:Boise


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Talk:Bokor National Park

Walking On the Mountain

Hi guys we are Planing a long walk in to bokor NP, we plan to follow the river North from the Waterfall. there is a large lake 10 kilometers from the water fall. the walk will be along the river bed so think about getting wet. If you are interested in joining me pls send me a message to better2sell@yahoo.com.au  Carlyle

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Talk:Bolan Pass

This article was deleted once. I cannot find any archived votes for deletion discussion, but see User talk:(WT-en) Pashley, (WT-en) Pashley 04:45, 8 November 2008 (EST)
 * User:Pashley, is there any particular reason why this is an "extraregion". Is it a "region" which crosses two or more other regions? Shouldn't it be classified as a city article, since it's basically a single point and not a region? Texugo (talk) 13:12, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

 * No particular reason. It does not cross other regions, though as a pass it is more of a line than a point. A redirect to either Quetta or Balochistan is possible, but not ideal. If we had an article for Quetta district, a redirect there would make sense.

 * User:Saqib: Any comment? Pashley (talk) 15:31, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's merit an article on its own. Lets redirect it to Quetta. --Saqib (talk) 15:49, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I wasn't actually suggesting we redirect or anything, just confirming that this is meant to represent the singular location rather than an actual region. I was suggesting changing it to a city template tag (like we do for small islands and other singular locations). If this is not worth having an article, a redirect is fine, of course, but I was just about to ask the same question about Khyber Pass - shouldn't that one get a city template too? Texugo (talk) 15:51, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Both are mountain passes and we don't usually have articles on mountain passes. There're plenty of passes all over the world, but we don't usually have articles on them but if we do have then they should be itineraries. On the other hand, Bolan Pass is closed I guess and there's no accommodation along the pass. I think we've to discuss and convert Khyber Pass into an itinerary. --Saqib (talk) 15:56, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

 * First topic at User_talk:Pashley/Archive is an old discussion of this.
 * I'd say Khyber Pass must be either a region or an itinerary; it does not make sense as a "city" since it contains places like Ganadamak and Landi Kotal. I prefer region because, unlike say Yellowhead Highway or Karakoram Highway, I don't think anyone considers the Khyber a journey in itself. Definitely a key transition, like crossing the Bosphorous, but not a trip in itself. Pashley (talk) 16:21, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It sounds like that's a gray area. If Ganadamak and Landi Kotal may someday have articles, it should definitely be a region. However, if it's such that are little villages which are likely to forever be covered collectively here, recent precedent with articles covering tiny villages/settlements collectively would suggest that it should still be classified as a city article, even though it's technically not a city itself. Texugo (talk) 16:28, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Safety
The Stay safe section currently reads:
 * This area, as of mid-2012, is definitely not safe. Even with armed guards, travel is not recommended.

Has anyone got up-to-date information? Pashley (talk) 11:20, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Bolan Pass


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Talk:Bolaven Plateau

Does the Bolaven really merit a separate article or should it be part of Pakse? In my experience the sights here are normally taken when visiting and staying in Pakse. That is just my view and experience though. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:18, 13 December 2009 (EST)

title: Talk:Bolaven Plateau


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Talk:Bolivia

CIA World Factbook 2002
For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Bolivia/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.

The reference "and Paraguay (the landlocked country - ????)." in the Ports / Waterways section doesn't look too good. Yes, Paraguay is a landlocked country, BUT some sea ships can enter the country (even cross it to to the new port town of Puerto Busch in Bolivia) because the Rio Paraguay and Parana are sufficiently wide and deep. So I'll just erase this comment.

Someone may want to delete the reference to travel to/within Bolivia on LAB airlines. It went out of business in April 2007.

 * That someone should be you. (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:35, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

Regions
Bolivia currently has competing regional hierarchies: the country's nine departments, and a few geographic ones. We need to pick one, or make one a subset of the other. Even though nine departments would be just within the limit allowed by policy, I think geographical regions would be more useful to the traveler unfamiliar with the country. Then the departments would serve to divide them further into locales. The Bolivia tourism ministry's web site describes the country as three geographic regions, with most of 3 political departments in each: (According to what I've read, the Chaco (Bolivia) was mostly lost to Paraguay, and even though there's a proposal to create a department by that name in Bolivia, I don't think the current "Chaco" article would be a useful in the hierarchy.)
 * Andean Bolivia (includes current Altiplano region)
 * La Paz
 * Oruro
 * Potosí
 * Sub-Andean Bolivia
 * Cochabamba
 * Chuquisaca
 * Tarija
 * Tropical Lowlands
 * Santa Cruz
 * Beni
 * Pando

Comments? - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 16:09, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Looks good to me, no reason we can't just cover the Chaco within the Santa Cruz (department, Bolivia) and Tarija articles. Chapare belongs within the Cochabamba (department) and Yungas in the La Paz (department, Bolivia) I like the thought to break it up by altitude--probably nothing matters more in Bolivia. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 17:24, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

 * The split into 3 looks good to me, although I think "Altiplano" is better than Andean Bolivia and I think that we should try to think of a snappier description for Sub-Andean Bolivia. -- (WT-en) DanielC 20:06, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Perhaps that's what "Highland Valleys" was intended to refer to? - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 22:10, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

AM/PM or 24 hr
Just to and make it understood for the future, we should decide what to use regarding times, AM/PM or 24 hr.

I have browsed through various websites and the overwhelming standard seems to be 24 hr. While occasionally they might still put a PM or AM after the time, they continue using the 24 hr format. See here: http://parquecretacicosucre.com/contenido/horario.php?ln=en http://museodeltesoro.com/home.php?tesoro=horario&M5=active http://www.foxacademysucre.com/en_about.shtml http://www.learnspanishsucre.com/contact.php http://www.musef.org.bo/

If no one objects, I would therefore make the 24 hr standard fix for Bolivia.

Cheers Ceever (talk) 12:19, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

 * Go ahead. As an American, I'm used to the AM/PM system, but the 24 hour system is very clear and efficient so it should be probably be used in as many non American articles as possible. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 03:41, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Bologna

[this is a very rough beginning to a guide to Bologna - there was nothing here, so I thought I'd put at least this up] - Comments that were added by User:68.237.50.104 - 1 Jan 2005 - when creating article. - (WT-en) Huttite 21:13, 1 Jan 2005 (EST)

Bologna la rossa, la grassa, la dotta
[These comments added by anonymous user on 15:34, 18 October 2006. Heading added by JimDeLaHunt (talk) 01:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC)]

Sorry, I am not going to edit this since I'm a bit in a hurry and I should be looking at the indentation and that stuff... but!! I wanted to have you noticing that Bologna is not only named 'la rossa'. It's named 'la rossa, la grassa, la dotta' 'la rossa'(the red one): for its red and orange walls but also for its long-lasting tradition to vote the left wing.. 'la grassa'(the fat one): for its cuisine 'la dotta'(this is not the exact traduction but we could say the wise one): for its university, one of the oldest in the world, very big and very famous, at least in Italy. Sometimes it is also named 'la gaudente', that means.. mmh.. the 'enjoying itself' one, for it is believed that in Bologna people live well and enjoy themselves with all life's pleasure: going out, eating well and so on.. Hope I helped even if I did not edit! Please someone add this for me! (you can trust what i say since i live here in Bologna =)) )

Michel notes
Michel notes, at 10:55, 12 March 2009:

I'm puzzled how 55 euro for a double is a "budget" hotel (Fiera --- so middle of nowhere) but 50 euro for a double is "midprice" hotel (Imperial). Fiera = business district and next to motorway entrance = quick getaway for salesmen.

Also not having the Osteria dei Poeti in the eating section is a strange omission. It's in a cellar so tourists miss it? It's an antica osteria that's very famous, beautiful interior, very good classical staff and at the moment a young creative chef (who has to cook traditionally there, but does fantastic things in their catering, mostly marriages).
 * Great observation. I ate at Osteria de' Poeti two days ago, and added an Eat listing for them just now. JimDeLaHunt (talk) 01:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Food & Drinks
Food: We should divide restaurants in three price based categories.
 * Price-based categories is a fine idea, but we don't have price information in enough listings yet to make it practical. Instead, I have divided them by geographic area. This has the helpful side-effect that ranges of numbers indicate similar areas, e.g. 1-12 are all in the central area near Piazza Maggiore. JimDeLaHunt (talk) 01:44, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Drinks: Let's give some more advices. —The preceding comment was added by FilippoCarnevali (talk • contribs)

 * Please do, plunge forward! PrinceGloria (talk) 17:50, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Page banner
We have new ideas for the page banner. All of them look much better than the current version. Please, comment. --Alexander (talk) 13:18, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Sort order
I propose the following sort order for Eat listings, which could be adapted for other listings: 1. Disregard generic prefix words like "Trattoria", "Ristorante", "L'antiche Pizzeria"; 2. Disregard prepositions like "di" or "a"; 3. Sort in alphabetical order by the remaining, distinctive words. Use judgement to bend these rules where a name demands it, such as sorting "La Sorbetteria Castiglione" as "Sorbetteria", not as "Castiglione". I have implemented this sort order under "Eat", where there are over 30 listings, subdivided into geographic areas. JimDeLaHunt (talk) 01:28, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * That makes sense to me. Thanks for your amazing updates. Makes me want to go to Bologna just to eat. Ground Zero (talk) 10:15, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Province
Bologna Province was abolished in 2015 and it all became part of the metropolitan area. I therefore intend to redirect the hollow Province page to the city. Grahamsands (talk) 13:28, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Good plan. Ground Zero (talk) 14:09, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ - I retained the WV banner Bologna province Lago di Suviana.jpg here in case it has another use.
 * In 2016 it was agreed to remove all the provinces of Emilia-Romagna, but nothing happened. And a glance around Italy shows many similar hollow provinces elsewhere. I'll put in a shout on the relevant discussion pages. Grahamsands (talk) 12:47, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Promote to Guide status?
What does this article need to pass Guide status? /Yvwv (talk) 12:23, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

 * Not yet. Sleep only has one listing with coords. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 12:31, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Bolsward

VFD Discussion

 * No content (WT-en) –sumone10154 20:03, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
 * This is a stub and appears to be an actual place. Why do you say "no content"?  (Also, no VfD tag was placed on this article).  (WT-en) LtPowers 09:06, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
 * Keep No content is not a reason for deletion. This seems to be a valid destination.  --(WT-en) Inas 23:40, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

Result: Kept. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:09, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

title: Talk:Bolsward