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Talk:Vermont

Regions
Without knowing too much about Vermont, could we pare down the regions into a smaller list? The current list is:

 * Islands and Farms Includes the Islands on Lake Champlain and North Hero and St. Albins.
 * Stowe/Smugglers' Notch This is the resort area of Stowe and Smugglers' Notch
 * Northeast Kingdom The remote sparsely populated area of the Northeast. Take a trip back to the 1950's.
 * Lake Champlain Valley The valley area along the lake and includes the cities of Burlington (Vermont) and Shelburne.
 * Central Vermont The Capital City area of Montpelier and Barre. You can visit and capital and also see the covered bridges of central Vermont.
 * Mid Vermont for All Seasons Includes Middlebury with classic 18th and 19th Century buildings.
 * Crossroads of Vermont The Rutland and Killington areas of Vermont.
 * Eastern Vermont Gateways
 * Southern Windsor County
 * Green Mountains
 * Southern Vermont

Which I think could be reduced to:

 * Northern Vermont
 * Southern Vermont
 * Central Vermont

Lake Champlain and other regions could then be made into sub-regions of the three parent regions. Does that make sense, or is the geography/tourism in the state such that it should be done differently? For instance, is there a need to create a Northeast Kingdom and a corresponding region for the northwest? And should the region names be something other than just North, South, and Central? -- (WT-en) Ryan 18:01, 17 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Vermont is a very small state, I think you are right. I was just using the Regions that the tourism department set up. I think your idea is good. We could include the tourism regions in each of the main area regions and not do a seperate breakout on each one. I will go ahead and do that. (WT-en) Xltel 18:42, 17 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Great, thanks. We don't always follow what a state's department of tourism uses, and may instead use anything from Dmoz to Wikipedia to (and especially) local knowledge to come up with a set of regions that are most relevant for tourists and also maintainable.  One problem we've had has been specifically defining what is contained within a region (see Talk:Bay Area (California) for one example), and we've yet to come up with a good solution, so any suggestions are welcome. -- (WT-en) Ryan 18:55, 17 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Made the changes, but I may go back and split the Northern region into Northeast and Northwest Kingdom as these two areas are quite different. The Northeast would have the largest city in Vermont and the lake Champlain shore line, while the Norrthwesk Kingdom is very remote and sparsely populated, but does have some things that would make it interesting as a seperate region. Your thoughts? And thank you very much for your help and comments, I am very new at this and the help is very much appreciated -- (WT-en) Xltel 19:10, 17 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * You're doing great. Go ahead and split up the Northern Vermont regions if they're different, sounds like it makes sense to do so. -- (WT-en) Ryan 19:15, 17 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Having lived in VT for most of my life, I don't find the current regional breakdown entirely accurate. The Northeast Kingdom is exactly as it should be, but the other ones in my opinion need to be renamed or reorganized.  Central VT is definitely a real region, but I doubt anyone who lives here would consider Addison County to be part of central vermont.  There aren't many roads connecting it to the other central VT counties(there's a bunch of mountains in the way).  That leaves the problem of what to do with it.  My thought is add it in with Northwest VT and rename the region Champlain Valley (Vermont).  The other area of concern is Southern Vermont.  It does exist as a region, but most people in my experience wouldn't consider rutland or windsor counties part of southern Vermont.  Windsor and Orange counties are referred to as the Upper Valley, but that would also include parts of New Hampshire.  The current regional breakdown is making it hard (for me at least) to add content to the empty central and southern VT articles since as they currently stand, they don't exist as regions to me.  I really don't know what I want to do here so any help from someone who knows VT reasonably well would be much appreciated. Godsendlemiwinks (talk) 17:54, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

 * I have most of a proposal formed. Leave NEK the way it is, add Addison County to Northwest VT and rename it Champlain Valley.  Take Lamoille, Washington, and interior parts of Orange county and call them Central VT.  Connecticut River part of orange county along with windsor and windham counties would become Upper Valley.  Bennington and Rutland counties would be grouped together and called the Valley of Vermont.  I realize the name for this last one might not be as widely used as the others, but it is an accurate description of the location of the major towns in each county.  My only issue with this breakdown is that I'm not sure Brattleboro is really in the Upper Valley, but at least its situated on the CT river and is well connected to the other towns in the region. Godsendlemiwinks (talk) 14:49, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Talk
This "talk" section is VERY FALSE. I have lived iv vermont most my life and it is not like that. With one-syllable words we say them like they are one,not two, like cow would be cow and that would be that. As for the uh sounds that will happen on VERY rare occations. You will not be called a flatlander as long as: you are not a prick, you dont drive like a prick(we dont care if you drive fast though :) ),etc.. I think that all of those dialect things were more like new york city not vt.. thanks, bye PS: I know that now vermonters seem mean but we really arent at all.. before people come here they think we are.. —The preceding comment was added by 216.66.126.229 (talk • contribs)

Cities
I had the eventual goal of the 9 cities for VT being Burlington, Montpelier, Brattleboro, Bennington, Stowe, Newport or St. Johnsbury, Middlebury, Rutland, and Manchester. Any input would be helpful. Most of the articles are pretty empty hence Essex Junction and South Burlington are currently included since they have usable articles. Godsendlemiwinks (talk) 16:10, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * For the most part, it doesn't matter how good the linked articles are; what's important is that we get readers to the destinations they're most likely to be seeking. LtPowers (talk) 01:53, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Vero Beach

leisure square in Vero beach

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Talk:Verona

the 3 youth hostels are mentioned but no names are given. Not very useful for someone trying to find them. 188.195.9.109 08:29, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

 * I'd agree. But even in its current form, article makes sure that 1) there are at least some hostels, i.e. budget accommodation, in town, 2) their addresses/locations is shown on a map obtainable from local information office, and 3) one of them is near Piazza Isolo, has a garden, and dorm beds available for €15. Sure, that's not perfect, and not what we'd aim for, but still, anything is better than nothing. I think we'll need a local or a traveller to the area to point out their exact names and addresses. (And if you visit the area and happen to get your hands on that map, please update the article as accordingly.) – (WT-en) Vidimian 17:39, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

Alternative banner for this article?

In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 15:31, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Yes, I think so. Jjtkk (talk) 17:34, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

To Guide
Until a few days ago, this article was classed as an Outline, which I think was kind of insane, as it's clearly Usable. What improvements are needed for Guide status, beyond the obvious: inserting a map and converting footnote-style external links to front-linked ones? A few more photos would be nice, too. What else? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:34, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Very Large Array

I'm not convinced the VLA passes the "you can sleep there" test as a destination. It's already mentioned in the Socorro article, and since Socorro is the nearest practical place to sleep, that strikes me as enough. Let's discuss. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 22:52, 25 Dec 2005 (EST)
 * Agreed. (WT-en) Jonboy 10:40, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)
 * Also agree. I'm gonna add this to vfd. The content should be moved to the Get out section of Socorro. (WT-en) Majnoona 10:45, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)

Where to stick it?
Ok, there actually is already an entry on the Socorro get out... and I noticed that in this article their is mention of a closer town Magdalena which has at least some services. I'm thinking maybe it belongs in the Magdalena guide with just an entry for Magdalena noting it's the closest town to the VLA on the Socorro guide. Comments? (WT-en) Majnoona 10:51, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * Interesting point. Magdalena is a tiny little thing with an absolute bare minimum of stuff for the traveler, but after all, it is the closest town to VLA, and VLA is worth seeing -- if not a destination.  Maj, this is my neck of the woods; let me see if I can craft a sensible article.  This one is now redirected there; give it a look and see whether that's a satisfactory solution. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 21:02, 25 February 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Verzasca Valley

Is there a reason we shouldn't have a page for each village? I'll take a shot at breaking these up. --(WT-en) Evan 09:24, 2 May 2006 (EDT)

 * I was just there last weekend (not to all villages) and from my point of view there is too few to write about each of the villages. The best thing about the valley is the view, the river, and the hiking path, not really the villages (I guess). However, some villages like Lavertezzo or Vogorno might be big enough for individual pages. I'll see if I can find something -- (WT-en) sixzilly 17:46, 6 June 2006 (EDT)

 * I now made this into a city article, as it really is a bottom-level page. None of the village pages exist (10 years after the previous discussion) and there's no other region pages for Ticino. Drat70 (talk) 06:48, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

I wish to go to Vogorno next year to search for my descendants with the surname of Monzette & Gambon. I am from Australia and would like to know how to proceed to Vogorno. email address is yatesviking@bigpond.com

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Talk:Vestvågøy

VFD Discussion

 * Delete This page has almost no content. Can be added to the region page which itself could use extra content. (WT-en) Cheyenne 00:26, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
 * Redirect to Nordland]. Name is a possible search term.(WT-en) Travelpleb 03:25, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
 * Keep. Can't see a deletion rationale.  Appears to be a valid article, in need of development.  --(WT-en) Inas 06:39, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
 * Comment The rationale against a stand alone article is to concentrate sparse content into one decent article rather than have it spread across many, essentially useless, outline articles. Hence I suggested a redirect, to focus attention on one article. If and when that article overflows with content, then it can be atomized into smaller, more specific, articles. Whether this is Wikivoyage policy I'm not sure, but it makes sense to me and Cheyenne!(WT-en) Travelpleb 08:13, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
 * if it is a a policy issue, then should be discussed on the deletion policy page, not here. If you are nominating an article for deletion, it should refer to one of the current deletion rationales.  Having no content is not a current deletion rationale, and could be applied to thousands of articles across the site.  I'm happy to see the region reorganised into something that makes sense.  --(WT-en) Inas 20:45, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

 * Redirected according to the deletion policy of keeping valid locals. (WT-en) Cheyenne 19:05, 17 May 2012 (EDT)

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Talk:Vesuvius

i think that writing a 250 eassy a bout this mount vesuvius is hard because u do not give u enougth details and it boring

 * Wikivoyage isn't really here to be an academic source. The site is intended as a travel guide. Perhaps wikipedia would be a more suitable source for an academic work? (WT-en) Nrms 07:46, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

Who is the smartass that wrote that upper level parking will cost you an arm and a leg? How about providing the actual cost, idiot?

Needs information/map about where the parking area actually is... SECONDED! Looking at the map, there are at least 3 roads up towards the crater, and no article here or anywhere else actually tells you which one to take - I have to assume that the signposts lead you to it, but since one of them appears to come from the other side of the mountain, it would be useful to know which end to drive to.

4 June 2011 - Re walking from San Vito: We arrived in San Vito and could find no trace of any walking routes. The manager of San Vito's only (I think) hotel had no idea what we were talking about. Some more detail on the walking route from San Vito would be helpful - to save people a very dull walk back down to the bottom to get one of the 'tour' buses. JDF.

Dormant?
"It is a dormant volcano that occasionally emits streams of lava"

That sounds active to me. Is there something I'm missing? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:05, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

 * If it is emitting streams of lava, then by definition it is active. The dog2 (talk) 21:03, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

 * Thanks for confirming that. We are going to have to correct the claim that it's dormant in several places, unfortunately. I'll wait 24 hours for any objections before I start work on this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:10, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Viana do Castelo

Credit
I have translated a good deal of this from the Portuguese version, where this page is somehow one of the longest pages. (WT-en) Texugo 11:05, 24 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:VIA Rail

I'm not sure what could go here that wouldn't belong in the Canada article. Any one want to jump in before I vfd? (WT-en) Maj 15:59, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

 * Redirect to Rail travel in North America? -- (WT-en) Ryan 16:02, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

 * Rail travel in Canada is the current home of this info. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 16:04, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

VFD discussion

 * An encyclopedic article, not suited to Wikivoyage. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 06:08, 6 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Redirect to Rail travel in Canada. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 07:39, 6 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 21:24, 6 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Redirect to Rail travel in Canada. -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:22, 11 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Redirect. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 18:03, 14 August 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Viñales

VFD discussion
Swept in from Project:Votes for deletion/July 2008:

Viñales is a small town next to a national park, which has the same name. I moved this page to Parque_Nacional_de_Viñales. Maybe I should have moved the page rather than created a new page and deleted the old page? Sorry, I wasn't sure at first if there should be separate pages for the town and the national park. I can see an argument for the latter (e.g., most national park pages don't have nightlife sections!) but most tourists go there to hike in the day and salsa dance at night, so I put the town and national park on one page.--(WT-en) Chapayev 16:46, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

 * Viñales should definitely be about the town.. you can sleep there, and it's a popular destination. Whether or not we need an additional article for the National Park depends on how much there is to see, etc... if there's not a ton of stuff to write an article about the park and just a handful of sites, then the ones nearby the town can go in the "Get out" section of Viñales (city) and the others can go on the Pinar del Rio (province) page. But we should definitely move the city page back to Viñales :) – (WT-en) cacahuate   talk 18:22, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

 * If you look at the map you'll see that the town of Viñales is inside the national park. You can sleep in every national park in the United States, as far as I know, and all are popular destinations. There's "a ton of stuff" about the park waiting for someone to type it, on the photos I uploaded from the exhibits in the national park headquarters.--(WT-en) Chapayev 23:13, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

 * Then we should have articles on both. Viñales should be the article for the town... as for the park, what's the most common name (not necessarily the official name)? Wikipedia calls it Viñales Valley – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 12:02, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Well well well... I actually whipped out my Cuba guidebook and starting looking into it a bit more, and it turns out you were right!!! the valley is actually quite small, most of the accommodation is spread outside of the village, and I do believe that they should just be ONE article, covering the tiny town and whole valley. I think this article should then reside at Viñales, since that's definitely the most common name... I'll recombine them now, and move everything here. Yay – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 00:22, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Vicksburg

Im going to remove some of the content in the "Stay Safe" section. I live in downtown Vicksburg and I have to hear this garbage all the time about how unsafe everything is. I walk around everywhere at all hours. There's a difference between warning potential tourists about being safe and just scaring them with nonsense. -User:(WT-en) Jangle83

 * The section does seem a bit long for a smaller city. The important thing is to make sure that anything non-obvious to a visitor is called out, so while "don't stumble around drunk at night" should be omitted, "be aware that the woods contain black bears" might be worth mentioning if there is an actual chance of encountering a bear. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:01, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Victoria (British Columbia)

I moved this article to bring it in line with the article naming conventions. The disambiguator is supposed to be the next largest geographical unit containing the destination. So, I used "British Columbia" rather than "Canada".

I chose not to use "Victoria (city)" because there are a number of cities named Victoria in the world -- see the Wikipedia article for details. -- (WT-en) Evan 11:45, 4 Nov 2003 (PST)

This is starting to look really good! A few more listings and I think it would be ready for the main page. Nice work! (WT-en) Majnoona 00:28, 18 May 2004 (EDT)

1550's
Hey (WT-en) Dawnview, what do you like about 1550's? I haven't had a chance to get down there yet, even though it's just up the street from where I live. (WT-en) RickScott 21:32, May 20, 2004 (EDT)

 * The food. It's typical pub fare, but very good. --(WT-en) Dawnview 02:56, 22 May 2004 (EDT)

 * Don't they also serve pretty nice breakfast stuff? I think I've been there for hangover brunch, and sitting on the patio was quite pleasant.  Might be worth mention, since there's no write-up there at all for this place right now... (WT-en) Ryleyb 12:44, 31 May 2006 (EDT)

 * No idea. I'll just put in a short comment to that effect. --(WT-en) Dawnview 00:36, 23 June 2006 (EDT)

Health Authority reports
Information you may or may not want to know before going out to eat: the Vancouver Island Health Authority publishes its food facility inspection reports on the web:

http://www.healthspace.ca/Clients/VIHA/South/VIHA_South_Website.nsf/food-frameset

I'm wondering if this is something appropriate to work into the page, and if so, how best to present that gawdawful URL... (WT-en) RickScott 14:04, 17 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * I think it's a good idea, maybe at first just throw it into the "victoria info links" section I added? (WT-en) Dorian —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Dorian (talk • contribs) 14:48, 2007 July 1
 * Unfortunately, it's against the Project:External links policy. One thing we want Wikivoyage to preserve is the usefulness in printed-out article. But you can't follow the links in a printed-out article to check the health records.  A better thing is to delete the review for any restaurant that gets a bad health rating. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 23:56, 1 July 2007 (EDT)

Gazebo Bed and Breakfast
This seems to be a real bed and breakfast in Victoria. Is there a reason it was removed from the list? I found the edit comment uninformative. --(WT-en) Evan 18:21, 19 June 2006 (EDT)

 * I guess I thought that the copy looked to be straight from an ad; the user that added it also created some orphan page with text ripped straight from the hotel website. Assuming this author is the owner of Gazebo, and that we have a fairly comprehensive mid-range list for hotels already, what is the value in this listing?  I understand that if s/he is the original author, that everything works out from a legal perspective (once permission is obtained), but I guess I'm not clear where the line is between providing enough information about Victoria, and providing misleading information:  most hotels of interest in Victoria are within a 10 minute walk of the downtown core.  This one is probably a 20 minute drive).  Please direct me to any wikivoyage pages that expand on this kind of stuff, I am very interested.  Maybe an alternative would be to add an "(Around|Near) Victoria" section, as I'm sure I will find if I go look at larger cities pages :) (WT-en) Ryleyb 18:56, 19 June 2006 (EDT)

Drink
So I went ahead and nixed the go-dont-go sections in the drinks listings. I thought it was a cute idea, but doesn't fit in with our current Project:Manual of style. As it is, the bar and club listings have a lot more detail than we usual have in guides. Comments? Questions? (WT-en) Maj 16:33, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

 * It was cute, but your clean up is much more compact and usable. I didn't write the section, but I agree it's improving... (WT-en) Ryleyb 12:01, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

BC Ferries paragraph troubles
The BC Ferries paragraph at the beginning of the article is wrapping really narrow and going on really long, which creates a lot of whitespace around it - at least in Firefox. Maybe that paragraph should be moved to the section below that lists more info about different travel resources? (WT-en) Dorian —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Dorian (talk • contribs) 14:48, 2007 July 1
 * I worked around the problem by changing the BC Ferries paragraph from a bullet point to a regular body paragraph. The line wrapping looks much better now. Thanks for pointing that out! (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 23:58, 1 July 2007 (EDT)

External links section?
So... why was my addition of a links section removed? Was it not comprehensive enough? It was only two entries I know, but I could put a bigger, better list together. Or should they be integrated somehow into the other content, does wikivoyage frown on external links to travel guides? (WT-en) Dorian —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Dorian (talk • contribs) 14:59, 2007 July 1
 * Dorian, thanks for your initiative! That's a good thing. Unfortunately, the specific idea of a links section goes against Wikivoyage's Manual of Style. Specifically, it's against the Project:External links policy. One thing we want Wikivoyage to preserve is the usefulness of a printed-out article. But you can't follow the links in a printed-out article, you see. Hence we keep external links to the bare minimum, and limit them to primary sources. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 00:01, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

Get out section
I wouldn't call tofino near unless your taking a helicopter. By car it's gotta be six hours. I wouldn't even call Tofino near to Nanaimo, it's a good three to four hours from there! —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 66.119.176.236 (talk • contribs) 15:35, 2008 February 28
 * Good point. I revised the section. BTW, maps.google.ca thinks it is 316 km — about 4 hours 36 mins — from Victoria to Tofino. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 15:34, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Victoria region or huge city
Reading through the Victoria article, I'm not sure if it's about the specific "city of Victoria" or the Greater Victoria area that people generally think about when they say "they're going to Victoria". For example, Butchart Gardens is listed in both Victoria and Sidney (British Columbia). Of the two, Sidney is the more correct guide to place it in, but the gardens are a very common and popular attraction associated with Victoria. Another example is the University of Victoria -- it's listed in Victoria even though its campus is in Saanich -- but someone travelling there is going to think Victoria first and may not even be aware it's in Saanich.

Where I'm going with all this, is should we be treating Victoria as a huge city or create a Greater Victoria region to pull it all together? Victoria, the city, is small, but the name "Victoria" lends itself to a much larger area. I'm leaning towards treating it as a huge city because of the interconnectedness -- it's all one transit system and the core area (Victoria, Saanich, Oak Bay & the Westshore) is mostly one stretch of urban/suburban sprawl. Carving out a Greater Victoria region will also make the remaining South Vancouver Island region a bit awkward (it would be the Cowichan Valley and Juan de Fuca coast, which aren't really connected because the roads run through Greater Victoria).

What I have in mind is to treat the current Victoria article as the huge city guide, move the listings to a new City of Victoria district, and then move four existing articles underneath the Victoria guide (i.e., change them from a small city to a district). The districts would be:

 * Victoria/City of Victoria - Most of the listings in the existing Victoria article. Covers the main tourist areas like the Inner Harbour, Beacon Hill and the parliament buildings.
 * Victoria/Saanich and Oak Bay - Merger of the existing Saanich and Oak Bay guides. Mostly suburban area north and east of the city center, with many parks and beaches. Also includes the University of Victoria.
 * Victoria/Esquimalt and the Westshore - The existing Langford guide with most of the Go next section re-integrated into See/Do. Would cover Victoria's western suburbs (Esquimalt, View Royal, Langford, Colwood and Metchosin).
 * Victoria/Sidney and the Peninsula - The existing Sidney (British Columbia) guide. A mix of rural and urban, Butchart Gardens and Victoria's main transportation links (Victoria International Airport and Swartz Bay ferry terminal).

Thoughts? -Shaundd (talk) 16:47, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

 * I would defer to you, but I have to say, seeing the text "Victoria is a huge city" on an article would look really odd. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:45, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * That's true (your comment gave me a morning chuckle). Victoria isn't huge by population, although it does cover a large area and attractions are reasonably dispersed. After I posted this, I thought a simpler thing is to just merge Langford, Saanich and Oak Bay into the existing Victoria article. The combined article probably wouldn't exceed 100k in size. And even though they're separate municipalities, on the ground, you can't tell where one ends and the next begins. -Shaundd (talk) 18:09, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Normally, the City/District structure is used for things which are within the municipal boundaries, such as Toronto/Scarborough in the former Municipality of Metropolitan Trawna. Mississauga isn't in Toronto (it's in Peel) so it's not a district. It is, however, in Greater Toronto.
 * Under that pattern, Saanich is in Greater Victoria, but it's not a district of the city of Victoria. K7L (talk) 18:32, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree that, normally, the city/district structure falls within municipal boundaries -- but there are examples in WV where it doesn't. Currently, Victoria is incorporating info from neighbouring municipalities that have their own article, which I think is a sign that our coverage of Victoria is too fragmented (i.e., the travel destination of Victoria is larger than the precise limits of the city of Victoria). A Greater Victoria region is a possibility, but then it fragments the South Vancouver Island region, and I'm not sure how much users actually read those "greater city" region guides. Since a huge city pulls together the various parts of Greater Victoria without fragmenting the parent region, it has those benefits. Although, as Ikan pointed, "Victoria is a huge city" looks odd.
 * That said, the more I think about it, the more I think it may be best to cover Victoria and the inner suburbs (Oak Bay, Esquimalt and Saanich) in one Victoria article with no districts. It deals with most of the current fragmentation and covers the main urban area. All it would require is merging Saanich and Oak Bay into Victoria and updating the lede and/or Understand to note the Victoria guide covers the four municipalities. Langford can remain as a separate article and should cover the five or so Westshore municipalities (which it does now anyway). -Shaundd (talk) 23:22, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * This article is substantial but not super-long; Saanich has a fairly brief article and Oak Bay, a very brief one. So this solution sounds sensible. We aren't talking about Los Angeles County here. I'd say, don't be shy about creating geographic subsections within the structure of the article, if that seems most useful. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:29, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

 * I've gone ahead and merged Oak Bay and Saanich into the Victoria article. The whole article needs some cleaning up, which I'll try to work on over the next while. -Shaundd (talk) 05:17, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

New banner
Here's one that I've got. While I like the current one, it appears a little bit blurry. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:26, 6 September 2021 (UTC) File:Victoria BC alt banner.jpg (ignore this)
 * Oppose. While blurry, it shows the Empress Hotel, the symbol of the city. The new one looks like a bunch of tents that could be anywhere. Here is another one, but I don't know if it is any better. Ground Zero (talk) 12:32, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I've cropped a fourth banner, which shows the waterfront and Empress Hotel. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:45, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * #4 looks good to me. Ground Zero (talk) 13:01, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Victoria (Malta)

I'm not sure if the most common English name for this place is "Victoria" or "Rabat", but "Victoria/Rabat" doesn't work with our software, so I moved it to "Victoria" for now. See Project:Article naming conventions for some ideas. --(WT-en) Evan 10:15, 30 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * GeoNet also has "Vittoria" and "Victoria Town" as alternate names. TGN prefers "Rabat". --(WT-en) Evan 10:19, 30 Jan 2006 (EST)

Hey there, as stated in the text Rabat is used by the locals, the other name never is. But the English when they ruled used Victoria. This is actually a difficult issue for all of Malta, often the only maps available only have the english names that were attempted to be imposed everywhere including for individual streets. The actual streetsigns are only in Maltese, so for practical reasons, at least pertaining to streets, I always try to find the Maltese names. On maps I have seen it does actually say Victoria and in brackets Rabat, and Victoria does remain the official name.

I haven't read the conventions article but will do so now. --(WT-en) PeterW

 * Another thing: great work on Malta so far! You've been really cranking. --(WT-en) Evan 11:15, 30 Jan 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Victoria (state)

V/Line paper tickets (Australia)
Hi all, I'm more than a bit confused after trying to read into V/Line's paper ticketing system. V/Line operates regional trains in Victoria, some of which operate on a paper ticketing system, where you either have to physically purchase a ticket at an outlet or station, or book it online and take that booking to a station or outlet to get your physical ticket. On the Stratford (Victoria) page, I left an explanation that, if you wanted to travel by train, that there were no ticket outlets in the town, and so no way to book a return ticket while there, given the train station has no staff. AlasdairW pointed out to me that the PTV (Public Transport Victoria) website tells that "If you get on at an unstaffed V/Line station or roadside coach stop, you can buy a ticket from the train conductor or coach driver."

At the time, I did ring up PTV to check, and they confirmed this, but forgot to ask about what forms of payment were accepted, so I rung back up today (much delayed), but I was told — at least for the example of Stratford that I gave — that you could present your online booking and they'd accept it, and he seemed to imply that you couldn't just go onto the train and book a ticket with the conductor. I'm not sure what to do now — I was going to clarify the article, but I don't want to give out potentially wrong information. -- Lively Ratification  (talk)  21:06, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * - do you know anything else? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:29, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for trying, I hadn't expected this to be quite so difficult to answer. I am not familiar with trains in Victoria, but it is common in the UK to buy your ticket on the train if you board a local train at a station without a ticket office or machine. In the UK you can pay by cash or card, as the conductor has a hand-held ticket machine. I have also bought a ticket from the conductor in New Zealand (Wellington). It is helpful to know that online bookings can be shown on the train. AlasdairW (talk) 21:48, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Next time I'm on said train, which should be fairly soon, I will try and ask, but I can't provide any input based on previous experience, given that I'd already bought my paper ticket by the time I took the train back from Stratford. -- Lively Ratification  (talk)  22:36, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Alternate banner for this article
I am proposing to change the banner to this one. If there were just the current banner of rolling plains and hay, I'd not want to visit Victoria. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:59, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

 * That banner looks like it'll be pretty unsharp at full size (150%). I would think we could do better. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:01, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

 * The new banner doesn't meet the minimum pixel size requirements, so it isn't suitable. However I do like the idea of changing to a view like that. AlasdairW (talk) 20:05, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * how about a view like this: File:Victoria (state) banner new.jpg? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:33, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hazy and not very sharp. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:01, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, it's quite hard to take a photo of the 12 Apostles, as all of my personal photos have this issue as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:40, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, but that doesn't bear on which banner is better. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:15, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This is better, but doesn't meet the requirements in Banners - "Banners should be as wide as possible and need to be at least 1800 pixels wide in order to accommodate wide screens. The recommended minimum dimensions are 2100 x 300 pixels." AlasdairW (talk) 13:16, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * How about this one? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:18, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

 * It's not as picturesque a view as the 12 Apostles, but it's good and better quality, so I'd be happy with it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:51, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The 12 apostles are quite hard to take since to get a perfect shot, often they're drone shots, and not taken down from the beach. I've tried and failed, but I don't take drone photography much anymore. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:35, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

✅, but if I find a better photo of the 12 apostles, then we may as well consider. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:08, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * finally managed to find a new banner with the 12 Apostles. How about this one? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:36, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

 * I like it best, then what's marked the "New new banner" above and then the existing banner. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:39, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

 * ✅ SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:51, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it looks good. AlasdairW (talk) 09:36, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Budj Bim National Park
I know it's not a particularly well known place within the state, but given it is Victoria's only, should it be replaced with the Bellarine Peninsula which is currently a redirect? -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:24, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Given the lack of objections, done. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:49, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Adding onto map
Hello everyone,

I am someone who lives in Geelong and has noticed over recent years that this beautiful city is growing into its own travel destination.

I would like to request if the Greater Geelong area could be it’s own seperate region in the regions tab and on the Victorian map to emphasise its importance as a second city to Melbourne.

I have already made a new copy of the map but am unsure how to upload it. If anyone could share their thoughts that would be great!

Roman from Australia (talk) 09:11, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

 * Hi there; welcome to Wikivoyage! Geelong is currently categorised as part of the South West Coast, and while Geelong is certainly an ever-growing destination (it was larger than I thought it would be when I was there on a quick stopover a few months ago), a Greater Geelong or Bellarine Peninsula article would only have four destination articles underneath it (Lara, Portarlington, Queenscliff, and Geelong itself), and would probably be better off as a subregion of South West Coast. Wikivoyage also discourages region articles with few city/park articles underneath a region, but there are some examples of good regions with few city/park articles categorised beneath them (e.g. Derwent Valley in TAS or Lower Darling in NSW). All that said, I'm not a local (I live 1000 km away), have only visited Geelong once, and would defer to anyone else who knows the region better than I do (, if you're still active?).
 * As for the map itself, images, including maps, are usually hosted on Wikimedia Commons. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 12:11, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @SHB2000
 * Thank you for your reply! It’s nice to see a discussion on this page after a year!
 * I very much understand the points you made of Geelong having very few destinations for it to be a seperate region on the map. I was just wondering how many places do there have to be for it to be useable? I see that there is a seperate region for the Mornington Peninsula even though it is of small size (but I guess it might have more things to do 😆).
 * Some places I can think of are: Geelong, Lara, Portarlington, Queenscliff, Barwon Heads, You Yangs, Lake Connewarre, Ocean Grove, and possibly adding Torquay into this proposed region since it’s proximity to Geelong is close.
 * I have also uploaded a proposed new map to Wikimedia Commons if you would like to check it out! https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Victoria_(State)_Map_(Wikivoyage)_Proposed*.jpg#%7B%7Bint%3Afiledesc%7D%7D Roman from Australia (talk) 06:30, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Not a problem! As for what's needed for a region to be usable, the relevant criteria can be found on Region article status. There isn't a hard and fast rule on how many destinations are needed for an article to be usable, or even feasible (Derwent Valley only has two articles directly categorised underneath it excluding Southwest National Park, plus one itinerary article), but there just needs to be enough information in the relevant section headers in prose form. For a Greater Geelong article, I suppose all those destinations could have individual articles, as long as there's something to see or do in them and passes WV:WIAA.
 * As for the map itself, nice effort – my first effort at making one was an embarrassment of riches. Have you made sure to include the source file, though? SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 09:24, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey @SHB2000,
 * I’m gonna try and make a start on creating a new Greater Geelong (and Bellarine) region page this week coming. I will also edit the link, map, and description under the map on Victoria’s page. I’ve tried some testers of trying to do that since it’s my first time and I think I’ve got it covered.
 * I would love if you or anyone seeing this could come and join in making a Greater Geelong page to show this city’s shining significance to Vic!! :)
 * I will also make a static map of Greater Geelong and follow the guide on what that map needs to have (I’ve downloaded the guide).
 * Hope this all goes well! I will try my best to make this new page as useable as possible. Roman from Australia (talk) 14:04, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I have made a static map of Greater Geelong to put in the new page, what are your thoughts on it? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Greater_Geelong_static_map.png I will try and work on creating this new page and see how it goes. Roman from Australia (talk) 05:56, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Great start to the new Greater Geelong article! Love the static map, too (the only thing I wished was for a slightly greater emphasis on the Princes Freeway (see SEQ or CBI, for examples), but it's a great second static map. I did a bit of MoSifying, but otherwise, I'm looking forward to your content additions. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:32, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * One other thing – a few changes will need to be made to the categorisation, but I'll handle that. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:33, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh no! I completely forgot to add the highway markers for the Geelong Ring Road/Princes Fwy haha. I’ll see if I can change it later in the week!
 * Thanks for your contributing and help @SHB2000 Roman from Australia (talk) 08:35, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Not a problem, Roman! It happens, and I've almost forgotten several times before, too. Also, if you want a bit of inspiration for how a region article should look, I wrote southeastern New South Wales last year, which is now a guide article (as it fulfills all the requirements listed on Region article status). Category:Guide regions, plus Bali, are also other good places to look for inspiration. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:39, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tips @SHB2000! I was just thinking that I would be more than happy to create some nice static maps for the other regions of Victoria if you would like.
 * Such as static maps for the Mornington Peninsula, Goldfields, Yarra Valley regions throughout this week? Roman from Australia (talk) 08:59, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * If you're willing to create static maps, by all means go for it! SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 09:00, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Victoria Falls (Zambia)

Victoria Falls in Zimbabwe?
According the breadcrumb trail, the Victoria Falls are in Zimbabwe. But they are also in Zambia? I think we better just list this as being under Southern Africa. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 14:29, 28 January 2010 (EST)

I agree with Globe-trotter. How do we go about changing this? Vic Falls is shared by both countries and needs to be listed as such or as just Southern Africa (WT-en) Dominique 14:58, 24 June 2010 (EDT)

 * I made the change to Southern Africa, as there is no way to list two countries in the breadcrumb navigation. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 15:37, 26 June 2010 (EDT)
 * No idea what breadcrumb navigation is, but how about two articles: Victoria Falls (Zambia) and Victoria Falls (Zimbabwe)? (WT-en) Shep 15:51, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

 * This is a mess. We have an article for the falls, and article for livingstone, and an article for victoria falls town.  Really all much the same place.  I don't really mind if we have one article, or two, but I don't there there should be three.  Barring objection, I just may mirror here what has already been done at Niagara Falls, since the setup is kind of the same.  --(WT-en) inas 21:32, 1 December 2010 (EST)

 * Sounds good. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 03:06, 3 December 2010 (EST)

Upgrade to Guide status?
This is a well-developed article which meets many of the criteria for guide status; see Guide articles. Should we upgrade, or is anything missing? /Yvwv (talk) 00:54, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

 * No – I strongly oppose upgrading it. Many listings are missing addresses, coordinates, and even contact details. And where's the understand section? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:56, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Victoria River Region

Comments
Is this ok to list as a destination, Vic River region is almost 200kms from Katherine and there is not much info listed as yet on this portion of the Savannah Way —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) VirtueMarketing (talk • contribs)

 * Sure, it's fine. Just please do not place external links and do not add copyrighted material (unless you are the original writer of the material and accept it being published under a free Creative Commons license). --(WT-en) Globe-trotter 11:03, 29 January 2012 (EST)

title: Talk:Victoria River Region