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User talk:Cjensen~enwikivoyage/Archives2004-2005

Hi, Colin! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

I've heard of it. I've been there! -(WT-en) phma 07:30, 7 Mar 2004 (EST)

Most useful thing to do
There's a page called ways to help Wikivoyage that gives some suggestions for ways to contribute. --(WT-en) Evan 11:04, 7 Mar 2004 (EST)

WikiMail
Hi, Colin. Thank you for the two statistics links you gave me at Talk:United States of America. I assumed more people died in traffic in higher-income nations -- in the extreme case, if no one can afford a car, there are zero traffic accidents. I am surprised to see exactly the opposite happen in Africa and the Americas. I'm glad I learned something new today. -- (WT-en) DavidCary 20:24, 2 Apr 2004 (EST)

Welcome
Hi Colin - thanks for the warm welcome, I've just come from Wikipedia, so please call me on anything I'm doing that's out of sorts around here - so refreshing to find a place without all of the politicing and wierdness of WP! Have read some of the guides, look forward to working with you, (WT-en) Mark Richards 13:31, 5 May 2004 (EDT)

 * Oops - thanks for pointing that one out - will go back and fix this! (WT-en) Mark Richards 20:15, 6 May 2004 (EDT)

referenda
Thanks for the idea for a discussion period. I think it's a good idea and I will certainly include it in my "proposal". Cheers! (WT-en) Akubra 15:32, 11 May 2004 (EDT)

Revert
I reverted an anonymous change to your user page. --(WT-en) Evan 17:34, 26 May 2004 (EDT)

 * Thanks! It improves my disposition when un-defacing my pages is a team effort. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:15, 26 May 2004 (EDT)

Sort Ascending
Everyone was putting new delenda at the bottom until yesterday when Huttite put one at the top. -(WT-en) phma 14:46, 13 Jun 2004 (EDT)

 * I just changed the instructions to say to put them at the bottom. I dunno why anyone would want new stuff at the top. --(WT-en) Evan 14:51, 13 Jun 2004 (EDT)

 * To see it first. My thinking was newest at the top of the list, where you read it first, through to oldest at the bottom, where it falls off the page when it is deleted. I couldn't work out which end to put it on, so chose the top rather than the bottom .... but then I am from down-under. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:58, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Congratulations
Belated congrats on the birth of your third! --(WT-en) Evan 13:23, 2 Jul 2004 (EDT)

Thanks!
Thank you for your warm welcome! (I've been adding things to both the Fremont and the San Jose sites. I'm also trying to advertise this site in general.)  I hope that you like the Copper Chimney -- it's a little spicy. I chose it as an Indian restaurant because of the ambiance, not the food.

Glasgow & DB Problems
Hi Colin.

Thanks for the ping on this. Actually I'd already updated Glasgow to act on your suggestions, and I've now updated Talk:Glasgow with a description of what done. With our current db problems, I'm not sure whether these changes are going to stick, so I've stashed local copies.

Chris. -- (WT-en) Chris j wood 08:03, 14 Jul 2004 (EDT)

Wikipedia link
The Wikipedia link appears above and below the article, as do foreign-language links. -(WT-en) phma 23:50, 15 Jul 2004 (EDT)

Thanks
Thanks for helping to rollback those external links... guess not everyone reads the Project:Goals and non-goals page ;-).

Snchduer
Hi Colin!

hm, i thought the two (wikipedia and wikivoyage) would be more closely connected... in this case, i will probably have to remove the images, or ask for a permission from whoever put the images there... (snchduer)

Texas
You removed a link to southwest airlines because it is not a wikivoyage article, and rightly so, as it is not. However, interwiki linking is enabled here, and adding wikipedia: before the title will correctly send it to wikipedia's page. Please use this whenever possible. Thanks, anon.

 * As a matter of policy regarding style, WikiTravel is not an encyclopedia and does not link to other terms and definitions in an encylopedic fashion. I'm aware that thinks are done differently in other wiki projects. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:58, 23 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Thanks! Paris in the spring
Thanks for catching that spelling error. Arrondissement has a double s. I guess the page with just one s was created while Evan and I were discussing it way back when.

Thanks for the kudos too! I think the best months to target for a DOM for Paris would be April or May. There's still quite a lot to do; I'd like to have a full set of maps, and quite a few more sleep listings first. -- (WT-en) Mark 01:06, 27 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Thanks
You keep getting the satisfaction of reverting the chinese spammer before I can. ;) -- (WT-en) Mark 22:03, 28 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Reverting WikiSpam isn't enough, it needs to be chongqed - see http://spammers.chongqed.org/ . -- (WT-en) Huttite 08:02, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * Hey! That's a cool resource.  Thanks! -- (WT-en) Mark 08:20, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Thanks - Copyvio
Thanks for correcting and pointing me to Project:Cooperating with Wikipedia at my talk page. (WT-en) Bijee 02:59, 27 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Contributions
Thanks! I wonder how long I can keep it up. Soon I need to get a job again ;) -- (WT-en) Hypatia 12:59, 6 Nov 2004 (EST)

Your comments
Thanks, done my homework and hope this time it's better. (WT-en) Ralfi 7 Nov 2004 (EST)

Administrative nomination
I've just nominated you for admin status on Wikivoyage. It'd be great if you could let us know if you're interested in the responsibility and if you'd like to take it on. You can check out the current discussion on Project:Administrator nominations. --(WT-en) Evan 17:06, 9 Nov 2004 (EST)

Admin status
So, your admin status has been updated. It happens to coincide with a period in which I've managed to remove all the special admin buttons from the interface... hopefully they'll be back in action over the weekend. Then, you can delete and protect things as needed (per vote, of course). Welcome aboard and thanks for everything, --(WT-en) Evan 23:16, 18 Nov 2004 (EST)

 * Thanks -- I was wondering about that since Mark had mentioned "all those buttons you mustn't press" and I was planning on learning the positions of the buttons I must not press right away (so I can keep my mouse away from it). -- (WT-en) Colin 23:35, 18 Nov 2004 (EST)

 * They are a lot easier to avoid in the monobook skin, when they exist that is. I've actually only ever protected a page once and that was by accident (thankfully Evan caught it).  Thankfully it's much harder to delete something by accident, as the software requires a confirmation. -- (WT-en) Mark 03:15, 19 Nov 2004 (EST)

Thanks for the encouragement to the Uraguay user
Hey, just wanted to say that the way you handled the Uraguay issue from the front page seemed like really great diplomacy. Thanks! -- (WT-en) Mark 16:42, 21 Nov 2004 (EST)

More thanks
Just wanted to give you another kudos for dealing with new contributors-- you have a very nice wiki-side manner! Keep it up and thanks (WT-en) Majnoona 18:48, 6 Dec 2004 (EST)

Licensing
There are serious plans afoot to make the CC-by-sa and GNU FDL compatible. So this is not a long term concern. Since the format and content goals of Wikivoyage and Wikipedia are so different, the ability to copy to and from is not that important anyway. What is important is making sure Wikimedia projects and Wikivoyage all get the resources they need to flourish. --(WT-en) Maveric149 20:38, 13 Dec 2004 (EST)

Conflicts
It looks OK. I get the impression that Mediawiki is not so good with conflicts when people are doing section level edits. (WT-en) Hypatia 18:52, 16 Dec 2004 (EST)

reverting from otherguides
Apologies for adding a link to an external guide; I didn't realize there was a special policy on the subject. Thanks for all your good work! (WT-en) Lectiodifficilior

 * Is there somewhere we should put all those Other Guides that you keep reverting? My thoughts are that some of them may be useful resources for contributors to use for research. Perhaps the really good(?) ones could be listed on a ... um ... Travel guides page! Well if they were all listed in one place we could point out to the contributor and say - "Your already listed here, in the right place."

 * This idea is growing on me as I type, I will mention in the Travellers' pub too! - (WT-en) Huttite 15:38, 3 Jan 2005 (EST)

idiot editing template:smallcity
Some days are tough for me, since I'm a big dummy. I was working quickly, trying to write without being spotted by The Boss, and that's why I accidentally edited the template instead of the page. Sorry; I'll try not to do it again. (WT-en) Willy

Hi!
Thanks for the kind words. Great site, i hope i can contribute a lot.

all the best,

tom

Other guides
Hi. Thanks for writing to me about an "other guide" revert. I didn't see your comments until just now. Is it possible for you to consider the site I posted again ? It isn't really a guide; it's a web directory, designed to capture every useful page on Petra. My main interest is actually historical and archaeological, not tourist related. Indeed, only one section is on tourism per se, and the largest section is of travelogues.

Anyway, I have that site, one on Alanya, Turkey, one on Machu Picchu and I'm working on one about Sintra in Portugal. They all follow the same principle.

Anyway, I don't want to press, and I don't want to seem to worry just about external links. (I think, perhaps, I owe some non-link editorial work.) Lastly, is it possible that WikiTravel's objections might be better expressed as against other "general" resources, which my pages certainly are, not just guides.

User:(WT-en) Lectiodifficilior

Warsaw Tourist Information phone and email
Hi,

Information you have removed is actually official Tourist Information contacts. I believe it's not against WT policy to include them. And they can be helpful. If you still disagree, just remove them again...

-- (WT-en) JanSlupski 14:42, 26 Jan 2005 (EST)

Bangkok
On what grounds have you reverted my edit to Bangkok? It is relevant and accurate information. 210.245.117.126 21:23, 26 Jan 2005 (EST) (now registered as (WT-en) Adam Carr 21:26, 26 Jan 2005 (EST))

Rollback a user script
Hey,

Actually it's really simple and all flows from

use LWP::UserAgent

basically all that's necessary is to load the user's contributions page at a given interval and then load any "rollback" links found. Easy-peasy. I'll post code after I've cleaned it up.

It should go without saying that this sort of thing is for emergencies only, as I think it probably violates the script policy in a couple of different ways. -- (WT-en) Mark 16:06, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)

Hi, I'm the other Colin Jensen.
When you google "colin jensen" you get listings for both yourself and me. So hi, I'm the other Colin Jensen. I'm also from the Bay Area (Marin, Novato), and am http://www.colinandbethany.com. Anyway, just saying Hi. We should trade business cards or something...

 * It's surprising to me how many colin jensens there are. Everytime I signup for an account on an obscure web site, colinjensen is already taken. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:00, 4 Mar 2005 (EST)

Spam filter
Sorry it took me so long, but I finally figured out how to re-enable the spam filter that we had going a while ago. The (very frustrating) 50-fold edits to the Main Page should be a lot less frequent. --(WT-en) Evan 22:07, 7 Mar 2005 (EST)

are useful

 * 1) when nothing else is on the page
 * 2) to reseach what to put on the page
 * 3) to verify what is on the page
 * 4) as a last resort when the page data doesn't answer your question

do not prevent goals

 * 1) free, complete, up-to-date and reliable world-wide travel guide.
 * 2) on-line
 * 3) printouts

do not cause nongoals

 * 1) anthology
 * 2) travel journal
 * 3) vacation photo gallery service
 * 4) personal homepage service
 * 5) travel chat board
 * 6) advertising brochure
 * 7) Yellow Pages of restaurants, hotels, or bars for a city
 * 8) Web directory. Wikivoyage articles can and should have links to external resources about destinations, itineraries, travel-oriented companies, and other travel-related Web sites. However, it's not a goal to collect all links about any destination. External links should support and complement the content of articles; they're not a goal in and of themselves.
 * 9) travel guide supplement. The WikiWiki technique we use for Wikivoyage makes it possible for us to include information that's not in other travel guides. This doesn't mean that we only include information not found in other guides. Wikivoyage aims to be a complete travel guide -- not just an additional resource on the side of traditional guide.
 * 10) atlas.

 * Please do not complain about (WT-en) Colin Jensen just following the External links policy before adding more external links that Colin will enjoy removing again. You should discuss your complaint on the talk page. -- (WT-en) Huttite 00:12, 19 Mar 2005 (EST)

 * Agreed. AFAICT Colin's been doing a good job enforcing the extlinks policy. --(WT-en) Evan 00:15, 19 Mar 2005 (EST)

 * My response is at Project:External links since that's where the anon user needs to bring up issues regarding changing the policy. --(WT-en) Colin 01:18, 19 Mar 2005 (EST)

Ontario Template
Sorry for missing the rules on templates; I had seen the mediocre (and I now know disallowed) previous Ontario template and wanted to improve it. Thanks for still using polite language when correcting me! (WT-en) Padraic 10:06, 13 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Anonymous User Messages
I have noticed that you have a page for (WT-en) Anonymous User Messages. I wonder if it would be more useful to write a little policy about this and explain your practice of deleting messages after a while. I think your deletion activity is probably a good idea but I think it needs to be documented too, so we can all partake and think about this activity. -- (WT-en) Huttite 23:59, 15 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Silicon Valley
CJensen: You insist on a definition of Silicon Valley that equates it to Santa Clara County, and you dismiss cities like Menlo Park and Fremont as SV-wannabe's. Last week, the San Jose Mercury News published its annual Silicon Valley 150, the top companies in Silicon Valley. See:

http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/business/special_packages/silicon_valley_150/11348863.htm

"The Silicon Valley 150 ranks public companies headquartered in Santa Clara, Santa Cruz, southern San Mateo and southern Alameda counties on the basis of worldwide revenues ("Sales'') for the most recent available four quarters. Most results are for the four quarters ended on or near Dec. 31, 2004, except where noted."

Included in the list are companies headquartered in Foster City in San Mateo County, Santa Cruz, Fremont in Alameda County, etc. In the print edition, I found an interesting explanation of a company that is no longer in the SV150 because it moved its headquarters from Fremont (in SV) to Pleasanton (not in SV). -StavP

Well, Colin. If you want to rely on a twenty year old unpublished paper, that is your prerogative. However, you should be consistent. In the Tajnai paper, she includes Redwood City, Menlo Park and San Carlos within the definition of Silicon Valley, you chose to exclude these cities. So I would suggest you are imposing the arbitrary CJensen definiton of Silicon Valley on WikiTravel readers.

I would offer the view that many more people accept the San Jose Mercury News as authority on this subject than either Carolyn Tajnai or you. - StavP

Death Valley
Hey have you already been to Death Valley? If you are still coming send me a email, I work at the Furnace Creek Ranch and can give you a 50% Discount. --(WT-en) Texas Web Scout 03:34, 26 May 2005 (EDT)

Tokyo/Ebisu
In my view Yebisu Garden Place is not a single attraction, it's an entire area. So the area's home page in the intro paragraph gets the inline link and the individual attractions within the area are listings. Does this make any sense? (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:32, 6 Jun 2005 (EDT)

San Francisco
Moved from User:(WT-en) Cjensen by (WT-en) Evan

I guess you forgot about San Francisco, which has about twice as many people!

 * I wasn't aware San Francisco was a city "no one has ever heard of." :-) -- (WT-en) Colin 13:50, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Admin nomination
I've added an nomination for User:(WT-en) Pjamescowie to become an admin. Please stop by and give your opinion. --(WT-en) Evan 19:45, 2 Jul 2005 (EDT)

vandal is starting to bore me
Hey, I'm taking off, would appreciate if you can track the vandal for a bit. -- (WT-en) Mark 20:29, 7 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * Ok. I'm surprised he does this routinely.  Doesn't he know that it takes us like five seconds to fix a problem that takes him a minute to make?  That's a poor effort to annoyance ratio. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:34, 7 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * I can't decide. Does he not know, after vandalizing Wikipedia all year, that revert is a single-click operation for an admin? -- (WT-en) Colin 20:52, 7 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * I can't think of any reason why this guy keeps at it, but I'm impressed that you're still here reverting. I've been checking in occasionally to see if you were developing carpal-tunnel yet and needed a reprieve, so kudos to you for holding out so long.  I'm at home doing some programming work, so if you need to take off for a bit I'll try and keep an eye on things. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 20:57, 7 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * I already took a break. But it'll be dinner soon for me.  It doesn't really matter if stuff goes fifteen minutes without reversion - in fact it saves time cause you can revert a whole bunch of stuff at once.  -- (WT-en) Colin 21:00, 7 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * I had to go to sleep for a while, but it's morning so I'm back. Thanks for keeping an eye on stuff. -- (WT-en) Mark 03:02, 8 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * Great job, everyone. Thanks again, again, again for your attention, professionalism, and patience. --(WT-en) Evan 07:36, 8 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Caribbean Stubs
I guess if we're going to have those areticles on the front page we'd best try to flesh them out, though I know nothing about the Caribbean.. -- (WT-en) Mark 05:54, 27 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Ugh
I saw that string of extlinks come in for US destinations and totally quailed at dealing with it. Nice work! --(WT-en) Evan 07:57, 28 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Nearby Yosemite Towns
Nice job on getting all of the towns around Yosemite started. I will admit to not knowing them very well (I always camp) but if there is anything you think particularly needs work let me know and I'll see what I can fill out. I may be starting up working again shortly, so time may get short, but I'd be glad to do what I can. -- (WT-en) Ryan 21:49, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Clarification needed
Hi Colin,

Stephen here, owner of the site Luxury New Zealand.

You've removed my link from External links, the reason for which I now understand. Thanks for the explanation... :-)

But I don't understand why you've removed it from the context of the content I added in the "Sleep" section. LNZ is not a web directory, certainly no more so than yha.org.nz which is linked in the paragraph that follows. :?

Luxury New Zealand is a full content site pitched to the luxury traveller. As such it contains not only lists of lodges that are members of different marketing organisations but also individual pages for those lodges. These individual pages contain enquiry forms or online booking forms. There's more as well, and it's being added to at the rate of about a page a week.

Trust this helps to explain why I've created the links.

Regards, Stephen

Hi Colin,

I've responded to your response in my Talk section. Don't know if that's the right way to do it (posting here to tell you about a message there) but I'd appreciate your thoughts.

Thanks, Stephen

 * Hi,

 * There's another response for you to consider...

 * Thanks,
 * Stephen

Hotels
Hi Colin. You seem to be the master of hotel additions for new articles, and I was just curious if they are coming from the script mentioned on your user page, or if you're just looking them up like the rest of us poor schmoes? If you've got a giant list somewhere that needs to be fed into the appropriate articles then I (and probably others) would be glad to help out. As a side note, nice job with the latest batch of Bay Area cities -- at the rate you're going it might be the first complete region around here before long. -- (WT-en) Ryan 02:48, 21 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * Yes, I have a big-ole honkin list generated from the script with 8255 US entries in it. In my master plan for world domination, I'd like to write a script which inserts the entries into the city articles automatically (and I'll need to scrape Wikivoyage a bit to figure out the article names).  And I'd like to keep a full DB with which motels have been updated onto Wikivoyage.  This way, not only could I auto-insert the hotels into Wikivoyage, but I could also update or even remove the entries automatically (cause some individual hotel properties jump ship and switch chains pretty often).  Also, I haven't completed the job yet -- I think I need to have more chains in the DB.  But if I write the auto-update tool, then each time I add a chain then it can re-update the sleep entries.

 * If you let me know which states you are interested in, I could upload the current set into my sandbox for those states. -- (WT-en) Colin 03:24, 21 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * If you're planning on writing an automated script to load the hotel info into articles then there's no need for the mad hordes of Wikivoyage editors to do anything, although should you decide that it's easier to just publish the lists of hotel info and have people manually update the appropriate Wikivoyage articles then I'll gladly help out. For now though it sounds like it's best to simply keep you caffeinated and working on your evil plans for Wikivoyage hotel supremacy without further interruption. -- (WT-en) Ryan 03:34, 21 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * I think that verbatim copying of entries from my master list won't hurt any of my future plans. So go ahead and ask if you want a state I haven't uploaded yet. -- (WT-en) Colin 03:41, 21 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Tower Articles
If you look back through my recent changes, you'll find that I've fixed the dead-ends on a lot of those tower articles... they make for pretty wimpy stuff, but I can't decide if they should be deleted or not. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 21:07, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * Since they are copyright violations taken from Wikipedia, the content must go (see Cooperating with Wikipedia). I'd be very surprised if they survive deletion -- check out the guidelines at Project:What is an article? where it basically says you either have to be able to sleep there or it must be a large and complex destination or it must be far removed from other places to get an article.  If it wasn't copyvio, we could at least most some of the content into the correct region or city article as an attraction.  The Structures article is a possible survivor of deletion, but the content would need to be re-written from scratch (see United States National Parks for an example of a similar list -- note that only some parks have articles, others are within regions or city articles). -- (WT-en) Colin 21:14, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * Well the ones that I played with were less detailed than several of the tower articles. Most of the time they, I think, listed a city nearby - I might have misunderstood them - and so I templated them to a small city. I VFD'd at least one tower, I know for sure, because it was totally against Project:What is an article?.  I dunno... if you want to take a look at what I did see Herzberg, Hellissandur, or Donington-On-Bain as examples. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 21:30, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * Those entries look like great content to me -- that's exactly how the towers should be added. Thanks! -- (WT-en) Colin 22:15, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Atlanta Hotels
I know the links were out of the formatting protocals, but my arguement was more toward the fact that they are almost all subdomains of Felcor.com - part of the Felcor Lodging Trust. Seems to me that the links should be to the hotel's webpages, not a third-party. Don't you figure Felcor is making money off of the clicktroughs?

Oh wait... Felcor Lodging Trust owns those hotels. Hmmm... what do you think? While you were reverting the changes, I added a ton of information in an odd format. So I don't end up losing it, I'm putting it on my talk page temporarily and you can take a look at it there.

Thanks! -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 17:46, 14 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Nevermind my talk page - I accidently copied something else to the clipboard in the mean time. :( -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 17:48, 14 Sep 2005 (EDT)

 * Not exactly the same topic, but related - and since we'd discussed in the past I thought I'd discuss it with you again.

 * On the Houston page I noticed the following note under the Mid-Range hotels:

 * NOTE: Only use the official website link, ie. for any Holiday Inn Hotel (franchised or not) the site should be on Holiday Inn's web servers. We are not trying to get one hotel company or franchise rich, please use more than Felcor hotel trust hotels.

 * It seems to have been a part of this article for some time now... what do you think of it? -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 11:15, 10 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * I consider the complaint invalid -- unfortunately, it was from an anon ip, so we can't discuss it. But I don't see how the website of a property's owner can be considered less than official.  The complaint also seems to also be against the concentration on Felcor hotels as opposed to other hotels.  If they didn't like it, rather than complain against someone who is doing something useful, I'd rather see them counter it with their own effort -- they should add other hotels themselves.  No one really gets to dictate what a contributor must work on -- our guidelines only allow for limits to what a contributor chooses to work on. -- (WT-en) Colin 13:33, 10 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * Sounds good to me. I noticed that you had removed it, and I was of the same mind you are - they were railing against the fact that the majority (if not all at the time) of the hotels were Felcor hotels.  A MicroTel spammer has been poking around lately, so maybe that is in response.  And speaking the MicroTel inserts, they tend to be for cities near the article's city - sometimes suburbs, but still seems a little spammy... -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 20:23, 13 Nov 2005 (EST)

Link on Salzburg
Why did you remove the link to [www.visit-salzburg.net/] from the Salzburg article? I work on this website for free, there is (at least by now) no advertisements on it, no commercial interest and the page is intended to provide independent informaiton for international visitors - especially as it will grow in the next weeks, it will be a valuable source for independent travellers. Please answer here. Thanks.

 * We have nothing against visitors directories -- including those which are commercial. But we don't link to them.  See Project:External links for the policy and rationale, and try Project:External links if you'd like to discuss it further.  Thanks.  -- (WT-en) Colin 18:12, 9 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * Right, I see. Fair point, will move this to the discussion page. Thanks! B.

Selected trains
Hey, thanks for following up on the "selected trains" issue on all those articles! (WT-en) Majnoona 15:35, 5 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * Actually, I didn't finish. I was wondering... when there is only one or two routes through a particular smaller town, maybe it is valuable to know the connections?  Hmmm. -- (WT-en) Colin 15:41, 5 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * I agree that it's not quite clear where to draw the line (that's why I brought it up at the Project:Travellers' pub). For example, if there is only one bus/train/etc a day to or from a place, or if service starts or ends at an odd hour, it would be good to know. But I still feel that a descriptive sentence is more useful and far more readable than the schedule lines our anonymous author is adding. I for one don't know what the abbreviations he's using mean... but maybe this should be brought up on the Template page? (WT-en) Majnoona 18:58, 5 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * I can't read those silly schedules for anything in the world, or I probably would have started making sentences out of them instead of just shuffling them to the talk page. And I was only talking them so as to not feel too bad about getting rid of what must be a fair amount of work.  -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 00:02, 6 Nov 2005 (EST)

Thanks
For sorting out the mess I made on the template (WT-en) Hkpatv 21:34, 9 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * And re-instating the wikipedia link on Lantau - I hadn't noticed the wikipedia link on the sidebar so assumed the template did nothing.(WT-en) Hkpatv 04:22, 22 Nov 2005 (EST)

Kitsap extlinks
I think the ~62 articles added by User:(WT-en) Kitsap are copied from http://visitkitsap.com/. Well the first 3 I looked at were word for word afre the first line. While removing the extlinks is probably a good idea, leaving them in means that the copyright violation page can be identified. -- (WT-en) Huttite 00:10, 19 Nov 2005 (EST)

Wanna play art critic? :-)
Hey Colin, thanks for putting the IsIn links on my various New Mexico pages -- saves me a lot of editing. While you're at it, if you wouldn't mind, could you pass through my (WT-en) Santa Fe photo page and critique the other photos beyond the St. Francis Cathedral one? I'd like to add one or two more to the Santa Fe (New Mexico) page, which has been nominated (by Ryan) as a DotM candidate and therefore needs some more photos, but would value the opinions of you and a few other WT old hands as to which ones to include. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:45, 10 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * I'm no art critic -- to me they all look good :-) -- (WT-en) Colin 18:55, 10 Dec 2005 (EST)

YggdrasilBot
I've got a proposal for a bot to do the cleanup work on breadcrumb navigation here: Project:Script nominations. Your comment welcome, please. --(WT-en) Evan 00:01, 11 Dec 2005 (EST)

Thanks
For all the deletions! Wish I'd thought of that. --(WT-en) Evan 01:21, 12 Dec 2005 (EST)

ARGHHHHHH!!
Okay, someone should put a search box for the Help pages. Only after posting nearly 80 external links and information under the "Buy" heading did I discover everything was reversed. Before I started, I went from page to page looking for an external links policy. Since I couldn't find it, I just used one of the other pages as an example of what is acceptable. Anyway, I understand removing my external links, but you've also reversed all the information I put under the Buy headings for most of the cities I posted external links. That information was correct and according to policy guidelines. I'm sure visitors would have benefited from the things I wrote for Richmond CA, Pleasanton CA, and others. Bigmallrat

 * I'm terribly sorry about that. The software we use does have a "you have a new message" notification feature, but sadly it is disabled because it takes too much computing power so there was no way for me to notify you about the problem.  I think I actually kept the Buy information in most cases including Richmond and Pleasanton.  If I over-removed anything, just let me know and I'll take the time to fix it.  Thanks for your contributions! -- (WT-en) Colin 23:53, 17 Dec 2005 (EST)

Discussion about Cuba
Hello. I've seen we had some disput about Cuba. As it was just 1 year before, it was quite difficult to get some fuel in Kuba, when moving around yourself, that's why I thought I could add this. But if this is not welcomed here, well, I can live with that. Just returned yesterday from Cuba, and the country is really changing quite quickly. Not as fast as China for example, but still with a speed faster than usually in the caribean, that's why I added such informations about stuff that changed in like last 1-2years there..

I certainly don't search any "fight" about any articel with you, but like to work to further improve this really good project.

 * Well, for sure if fuel is hard to find, a note is helpful. I think you should add your note back if a) you think Cuba has earned itself a reputation for having fuel shortages or b) you think countries like Cuba in general have fuel shortages.  I'll trust your judgement on this if you think the traveller will be assuming shortages exist. -- (WT-en) Colin 00:19, 24 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Thanks for your fast answer, guess I will leave it right as it's now, since there is no need to warn the people right now, and the situation seems more stable as it was in the present. In case I notice any shortage in the future, I will add a note there.

Fixing broken IsIn links
Thanks for fixing the broken IsIn links after my page moves. Are you running an automated process or can you just type very fast? The speed at which you made the changes was amazing. -- (WT-en) Huttite 20:17, 27 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * I made the changes manually, but I don't type fast. I just went to the region page and opened up the counties in tabs by middle clicking them.  Then selected each tab in turn, paged down and clicked 'edit'.  I modified one isIn manually, then selected and copied it.  Then for each county tab I selected the old tab and pasted over it.  For the summary, I only needed to type the first letter and the browser (Safari) auto-filled the rest of the summary.  Then it's just click "minor" and "submit".

 * I think the real trick there is the load articles in tabs, click edit in parallel, and submit in parallel so I never wait for the server.  I use the same method when adding isIns in the first place. -- (WT-en) Colin 21:01, 27 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Well, I've learned something new! However, as I use Explorer, window/tab switching is a bit of a pain and perhaps not as fast as other browsers. Though I am already using the concept for those favourite pages it never occured to me to open and edit all the pages at once! -- (WT-en) Huttite 04:47, 28 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Well, if you ever need to do some parallel kind of work, I'd strongly suggest using Firefox with its tabs for it. -- (WT-en) Colin 12:52, 28 Dec 2005 (EST)


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Spam attack
Thanks for dealing with the wikispam attack last night. --(WT-en) Evan 00:42, 7 Jan 2006 (EST)

Korea extlinks
I've taken the liberty of reverting some (but not all) of your removals of the Korea extlinks -- any sites ending in .go.kr or gangwon.kr are official sites and thus OK. (The articles obviously need templating though). (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:27, 17 Jan 2006 (EST)

spam attack
isn't there a way to block that ip address from making changes?

 * Yes, but we choose not to use it. -- (WT-en) Colin 16:15, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Also, it's like one click of a mouse for me to revert his changes. He's going to way more effort in this adventure than I am. -- (WT-en) Colin 16:19, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * I was going to help you but you're too fast for me... Great job! -- (WT-en) Simone 16:25, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * Ditto. Thanks for doing this.  What happens when you're asleep?  (WT-en) Jonboy 16:26, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * That's where you guys come in, right? -- (WT-en) Colin 16:27, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * Is the one click an admin feature, a macro, or something else? (WT-en) Jonboy 16:41, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * It's an admin feature. -- (WT-en) Colin 16:44, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * You're too fast for me too! Great job on the rollbacks. Dude should get bored soon... or his mom will call him to dinner. What a l00z3r! (WT-en) Majnoona 16:34, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)

Gangwon - Copyright issues
Please see Talk:Gangwon and User talk:(WT-en) Okay95 to give an opinion on a copyright permission from the Gangwon Provincial Government. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:14, 20 Jan 2006 (EST)

Zagreb Pic
Hi. Thank you so much for correcting some of the typos on Zagreb page. However, it seems that you have deleted a picture of the Pavillion o Arts in the process. As this picture is in the public domain and has been published on Wikipedia, I would be very grateful if you could say why you feel it should go. Thanks

 * Answered at User talk:(WT-en) HappyV -- (WT-en) Colin 17:09, 18 Feb 2006 (EST)

StatScript
Thanks for the heads-up -- I'd left the data-fetching bit commented out to speed up debugging last week. It should work now. (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:31, 2 March 2006 (EST)

 * And more tweaking. It now generates the tables in Wiki-syntax. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:49, 13 April 2006 (EDT)

From Keeseckb
I admit the shopping information, on the Bend site, I did copy from another site, but the rest of the information (Sleep) was from my own experiences. So please dont delete my hard work.

Travel2006
I don't think Trav is an attention-seeker so much as he's attention-deficient. His behavior is pretty consistent with an ADHD kid exhibiting the "hyperactive/hyperfocus" side of the syndrome (a normal troll or vandal wouldn't have fixated on it all day like that). I think what he needs is simple direction he can actually follow (such as "stop editing articles") without the mixed messages about how we're all happy to have him here, here's how to help, how can we help him, etc. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 09:37, 29 March 2006 (EST)

I don't understand
I seem to have this deep rooted fear of copyvios. Is there anyway you could explain to me what exactly doesn't violate WikiTravel copyright policies? What I'm really confused about is which images we can use if an image is labeled with (a) disclaimer(s) that reads something like the one that is listed here. Thanks for the explanation in advance. (WT-en) Sapphire 15:24, 3 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Basically, in that example the author says "you can make use of my work under either the terms of the GFDL license or the terms of the CC-SA license" and it is up to whoever uses it to decide which one to pick. This is called "dual-licensing" since the author is giving you a choice of two licenses.

 * Everything uploaded to Wikivoyage must be licensable with CC-SA -- though we have no objection to hosting stuff that is dual or multi-licensed as long as at least one of the licenses is CC-SA.

 * So for the image you cited, it's fine to uploaded it to Wikivoyage since it is CC-SA. For attributions, you should add a weblink to the original on commons from the Wikivoyage copy of the image. -- (WT-en) Colin 15:29, 3 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Thanks. (WT-en) Sapphire 15:34, 3 April 2006 (EDT)

Tampa revert
Hi Colin - just curious about the reason for reverting this edit. to Tampa. It looks valid to me - was it a copyvio from somewhere, or just an inadvertent click of your mouse? -- (WT-en) Ryan 22:00, 3 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Uh... apparently I need to switch to decaf? Thanks for the catch! -- (WT-en) Colin 14:24, 4 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Heh. I've been making edits at obscene hours of the night lately, so I can definitely commiserate.  Thanks for reverting the revert. -- (WT-en) Ryan 15:15, 4 April 2006 (EDT)

Rollback
So, I was a smart aleck and rolled back your bug report and my response. I think the bug is fixed now. --(WT-en) Evan 21:47, 11 April 2006 (EDT)

Statistics
Thanks for once again cleaning up after StatScript... the thing with pl: data not being available is really annoying, I have to hand-hack the script to insert that one value manually and then I always (like today) forget to re-enable the bit that gets fresh data. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:12, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Evan's tipped me off to the raw stats output, which seems to work better -- I'll convert the stats script to use this instead. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:42, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

 * Real Soon Now(tm), that is. <sigh> Thanks for the fixes, once again... (WT-en) Jpatokal 20:53, 15 June 2006 (EDT)

 * As you noticed pl: and it: aren't actually collecting real data at all, the values in Wikivoyage:NumberOfArticles for both have to be updated manually as for some reason the builtin isn't working.  The raw-thingy should work when I get around to it...  (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:14, 30 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Arr, I fixed one bug and created another in the process. Thanks for cleaning up after StatScript's mess yet again...  (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:41, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

Ischia star article
How I can make for insert Ischia in the star articles listing?. (WT-en) Mimmo46

 * I've responded to your discussion at Talk:Ischia -- (WT-en) Colin 15:46, 3 May 2006 (EDT)

Santa Fe (New Mexico) revisited
(Copied from Talk: Santa Fe (New Mexico))

Thanks for the comments. The "substance" part is not a problem -- I've got a pretty good handle on that, although it would be good if someone more familiar with the night spots (not a strength of either Santa Fe or myself) would expand the "Drink" section. I had intentionally left the "musical group" section somewhat terse, as it's a sub-subdivision and the article is already quite long for a city of 60,000. Of course, Santa Fe isn't just any city of 60,000... Please pass by occasionally and see what you think, and help "star-ify" the article as you've been doing. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 10:39, 6 May 2006 (EDT)

Re: your comments on deletion of Bangkok to Ho Chi Minh City overland
Thanks for your comments. I'm all new to wikivoyage. Although I was very enthusiastic at first, it seems to me this place is just as clique-based as any editorialised travel site; i thought the point with wikis was they are for everyone? I've put a fair deal of effort down in an itinerary and now some asshole is trying to have my work deleted, so I guess i'll just contribute my time, effort and knowledge somewhere else. Cheers, (WT-en) Piroco 19:18, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

Shalom Alechem
Were you the one who was double checking most of Shalom Alechem's contributions? If so I we may want to look into this image which was uploaded to Shared. The image was uploaded by DerFussi, but Shalom Alechem had uploaded it to commons where it was taken from and uploaded to Shared. I believe you had mentioned last month or in March that the source that this image was taken from did not have a compatible license. (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 21:33, 17 May 2006 (EDT)

 * Ugh. Yeah, we deleted that one here on English Wikivoyage already. -- (WT-en) Colin 21:47, 17 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Do we have any procedures for deleting an image on Shared? I added a  to the image page, but it didn't show up like it would on en. (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 21:49, 17 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Nope. I started a discussion over there, but I have no idea how it's supposed to work.  I mean, we don't all speak the same language, so it's going to be hard communicating about deletions.  Plus who checks messages on shared?  How to we find all pages the image is used on? Aiiiiiieee! -- (WT-en) Colin 21:52, 17 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Oh, this is the link to the image on Shared. (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 21:51, 17 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Image:Krakau01.jpg magically works too. -- (WT-en) Colin 21:52, 17 May 2006 (EDT)

I went ahead & mentioned the discussion on Shared on the Project:Requests_for_comment. Hopefully, this we'll figure out something soon. (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 22:05, 17 May 2006 (EDT)

 * Did we ever figure out how to take care of the above issue? Also, I'll keep an eye out for user Shalom Alechem. I figure we need to wholesale VFD anything he/she uploads. (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 23:52, 20 May 2006 (EDT)

 * Will you see my note on the VFD page Project:Votes_for_deletion. Thanks. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 00:27, 27 May 2006 (EDT)

Working on shared
Colin, are you able to edit "project pages"? I'm working on copying and pasting info from en onto the Shared site to help users figure out their way around the site. I would be extremely thankful if you edit the Recent changes page on Shared. I would like the "Requests for articles" link to be replaced with the "Request for images" link.

Thanks in advance. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 23:32, 24 May 2006 (EDT)

 * It's currently protected. I notice that the en: wikivoyage is only editable by Evan, and I'm not sure why... so you'll have to ask him. -- (WT-en) Colin 23:39, 24 May 2006 (EDT)
 * K. Thanks! - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 23:45, 24 May 2006 (EDT)

Thanks for the nomination
Colin, Many thanks for the nomination. Sorry I didn't reply sooner, but I have been very busy at work preparing a training course.

About a week ago I noticed a couple of pages with un MoS titles - Pawleys Island, Litchfield Beaches, DeBordieu & Garden City, Surfside Beach. As you are a bit closer to them than me, would you know better names to give them? -- (WT-en) DanielC 08:02, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

On Museuipiranga.JPG
Hi Colin, thanks for the comment.

The pic was taken off a government web site, and since all government media are considered public (unless otherwise noted), it's indeed public domain. As someone else noted befored, there's no way to classify government-issued pictures that do not come from the US in the licensing options when choosing, that should be fixed.

Cheers! (WT-en) Mattalves 09:44, 27 May 2006 (EDT)

Parks
On a total side-note to the Buses in Israel discussion, I noticed your comment about parks and stuff for kids. Strangely enough, I've been thinking more about travel with kids over the last 8.5 months ;-)... Anyway, I know the Project:Where you can stick it says parks go under "See", where do you think the best place is for "playgrounds" and other kid-resources? Of course, the general stuff should be under See/Do, but I'm trying to think about stuff that might go under 'Cope'.... and what about dining and hotel specific info? I'm thinking about things like trying to find a high chair in Thailand and taking public transportation with a baby (ie in the US you have to have a carseat even in a Taxi). Lemme know if you're interested in starting some talk about this area. (WT-en) Majnoona 22:16, 29 May 2006 (EDT)

Thanks
Thanks for catching my deletion of info on the Warsaw article while doing a revert. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 19:02, 30 May 2006 (EDT)

 * Yeah well, I'm not sure exactly what happened... but I hope it's all bettah now. -- (WT-en) Colin 19:06, 30 May 2006 (EDT)

Thanks for your kind words Colin. Glad to be of help seeing the little beggars off! (WT-en) Snecklifter 08:53, 6 October 2006 (EDT)

Foreign exchange redirect
I know you added the redirect, but all I see is the template I replaced the spam with? Is there a reason the redirect isn't working? - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 03:36, 2 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Nevermind I somehow got the redirect to work. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 03:39, 2 June 2006 (EDT)

Halllooooo
Hey, Colin. I don't know if you got my email, but: Maj, Amita June and I are going to be in the Bay Area next week for a conference, and we'd like to hang out. We've got a tight schedule but we're thinking about going to the Creative Commons Salon on Wednesday night. Would you be interested in meeting before or after on Wednesday evening?

We're going to be in the South Bay for most of the week so if you'd like to hang out for coffee or lunch that'd be pretty fun too. It'd be kinda fun to pick a night out with other Bay Area Wikivoyagers, though.

Drop me a line at evan@wikivoyage.org or hit my user talk page. --(WT-en) Evan 17:34, 8 June 2006 (EDT)

Question
Is your "Automated Hotel Entry Generator" up and running? If so, how does it work and how would one go about using it? - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 02:41, 26 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Well, it's basically a script that surfs to the websites of some major hotel chains, and parses their web pages for information about hotels in the US. It then emits some wiki-formatted text that can be stuck into the Sleep section of many US cities.  The script takes a week or two to run in order to be gentle to the hotels' websites.  I fixed up and reran the script a couple of weeks ago.  So the end result is I have a really interesting database sitting on my computer, but no automatic way of making it upload.

 * In the meantime, if you have a state or two that you'd like uploaded for you to use manually, let me know. -- (WT-en) Colin 04:11, 26 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Wow! I'm seriously impressed. I'd like to use it for Ohio, because I'm trying to get a lot of Cincinnati's suburbs up and running. I'd also like to get some listings for a lot of the bigger cities in Ohio that don't have a great article. I.e. Sandusky. Thanks. - Sapphire
 * P.S. Is it possible to use your script for countries? - Sapphire

 * Check out (WT-en) Ohio which has 299 Ohio hotels for you. I would encourage you to surf to each hotel as you add it and make sure it looks roughly correct.  I'd also encourage you not to reformat the entries -- unless you just have to.  My idea is that I save each copy of the hotel formatting that I've uploaded.  Future versions of the script should be able to automatically recognize old hotelmaker entries and replace them with updated ones -- but this will only work if the old version is unmodified. -- (WT-en) Colin 00:17, 27 June 2006 (EDT)
 * That's great. Just added a bunch of listings to various cities. One thing I did catch and was wondering about is - does your script scrape the websites of Hyatt, Starwood (Westin, Sheraton), Hilton, Accor (Sofitel, Red Roof Inn), Loews, or Radisson? Scraping through Loews, might be a little excessive, but I think Hyatt, Starwood, Hilton, and Accor might be wise. Thanks again. - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 05:09, 27 June 2006 (EDT)
 * In the long run, I want the script to scrape all available hotels that have nontrivial numbers of locations. That's part of why I want to have programs that are loading Wikivoyage with the data -- I'd like to be able to update with a new hotel or better parsing or a new format and have magic happen across all articles using the listings. -- (WT-en) Colin 02:51, 28 June 2006 (EDT)

Hotel listings
Colin: fantastic work with the hotel listings; they look really really good. One thing: the fax part is supposed to be in parens, which isn't a big deal but might trip up a processor sticking too close to the Project:Accommodation listings format.

I realize that this is but a tiny percentage of your immense contribution to Wikivoyage over these years, but I think it's as good an opportunity as any to present you with a barnstar in thanks for your work. I'm embarrassed that it hasn't happened before.

--(WT-en) Evan 20:39, 27 June 2006 (EDT)
 * No! I was supposed to be the one that was going to give him barnstar. Grr! I second the award. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 20:42, 27 June 2006 (EDT)

 * I usually won't take the time away from editing to extend kudos to anyone, but I wanted to say I appreciate the listings and have used them a lot. Also appreciate your tremendous work with policing the various graffiti morons and trolls. (WT-en) OldPine 17:11, 14 July 2006 (EDT)

Spokane

 * I'm not. -- (WT-en) Colin 21:01, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

ok well then what does the based on work by mean, sorry if i am being dumb or anything. if there is a better place to ask these sorts of questions and talk to people about things please tell me. thanks (WT-en) SpokaneWilly 17:26, 8 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Do you mean the credits at the bottom of the page? That means that Colin worked on the Spokane page. Lots of people work on lots of pages here, like on most Project:wikis. --(WT-en) Evan 17:57, 8 July 2006 (EDT)

Eherbel
Why did you remove both hotel links from Fort Lauderdale? I understand the suburban one, but the one in town? -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 15:18, 20 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Neither was in Fort Lauderdale. -- (WT-en) Colin 15:21, 20 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Oh... I guess I was just glancing, but I thought the first one was. Nevermind. :) -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 16:05, 20 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Heh. It took me a bit to realize I had to actually click on the hotel pages to figure it out with any certainty.  I saw this a lot when I wrote the hotelmaker script -- hotels categorized wishfully where you need to find the actual mailing address to be sure. -- (WT-en) Colin 16:25, 20 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I see. I noticed the same user had dropped several onto Nashville as well.  I couldn't quite decide about the suburban hotels because they are relatively close and the suburbs are pretty darn boring.  I also noticed that this user has touched an awful lot of pages lately... -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 16:27, 20 July 2006 (EDT)
 * He's definitely an Amerisuites employee or an indirect employee hired by a marketing agency. Which is just fine and productive for us, but needs watching and helping. -- (WT-en) Colin 16:32, 20 July 2006 (EDT)

Back to hotel listings
Thanks again for your tremendous work on collecting a comprehensive list of hotel listings by state. I've copied this over to DE so that we can improve the US cities' articles. Thanks. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 20:00, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Attribution issues
Thanks for your note on wikia about license issues. Wikivoyage is great - no apparent license issues I know of. My concern is with Wikicars.org, which is a sister site. They have taken content from Wikipedia at BMW and every other car page, and appears to be trying to avoid providing attribution. I told Evan about it already, so I am assuming someone at Internet Brands will do the right thing. Gil

Administrator nomination
Thanks. It's lucky that this is a non-lull time or I might not have seen it, yikes. (WT-en) Hypatia 19:10, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

Xxxdanxxx and the UK
This looks like a Project:Edit war in the making. Just wait him out; sooner or later his mum will put him to bed. National pages are a pain... -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 13:54, 25 August 2006 (EDT)

 * As it happens, I have some experience with diplomacy -- and I mean real, national-level diplomacy in which I have had to write documents to satisfy cabinet-level people in two countries that were disagreeing with each other. In such things, one learns to write in a way that allows progress.  Is "Stalinist dictatorship" a more realistic view of the way DPRK works than "single-party Socialist republic"?  Absolutely, and I say that as one who makes a living partly by studying that country.  But there are -- will need to be -- abundant places in the text to make it clear that the one is shorthand for the other.  We need to do something that allows the contributors to quit ****ing around and get on with that important stuff, namely what the traveler needs.  I don't have a dog in the political fight, but we need to craft some language that gets beyond the posturing egos and on to writing actual content.  (If that guy thinks his experiences deny that DPRK is run on a personality-cult basis where criticisms can land you in serious trouble, let him work that from a content perspective, but I don't think even he is that otherworldly.) -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:20, 25 August 2006 (EDT)

Comments
Could you comment on the (WT-en) bus section of my Cincinnati sandbox guide? Is it TMI or just enough? I wanted to highlight bus routes which run past a lot of interesting sights, but not every single bus route that operates in the Greater Cincinnati area. Comments and suggestions are appreciated. I've also asked Ryan because I greatly appreciate any advice either of you could offer. Thanks. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 19:20, 30 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Since it's a short list of the most useful lines with the significant destinations associated with each line, it seems to me that it is helpful and useful. So I'd keep it. But do also check out how Mark handled Paris/1st arrondissement with respect to Metro stops too. -- (WT-en) Colin 19:55, 30 August 2006 (EDT)

Bentonville Hotel Delete
The hotel you deleted from Bentonville, should likely stay. Rogers and Bentonville border each other and I am sure the only reason that hotel exists is because of Bentonville and WalMart. It all may be splitting hairs and to be honest not really that important, but crossover listing from Rogers in the Bentonville listing might be okay. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 14:57, 31 August 2006 (EDT)

Divide and conquer
Do you want to continue moving pages and I'll delete them? That way we get the work done faster? -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 01:14, 11 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Ok -- (WT-en) Colin 01:15, 11 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Ahahahahah you pressed the shiny button wrong! I've been thinking I'm going to do that any second now :-) -- (WT-en) Colin 01:16, 11 September 2006 (EDT)

Fax numbers in hotelmaker
Colin: the fax numbers in your hotelmaker stuff (which rocks, by the way) doesn't follow the Project:accommodation listings format. It'd probably save some time if you make it use the standard format (I think ([F|f]ax: ...) is the right way to do it). --(WT-en) Evan 16:41, 13 September 2006 (EDT)

 * Long term I've saved away copies of all previously-generated hotelmaker output that was used on the site. My plan is to write a script which is able to go through US articles and replace all previous-generation output with new-generation output.  Rather than do this multiple times.... I'd like to see the <sleep> tags fully implemented so that the appearance of the entries is reconfigurable on a sitewide basis.

 * By the way... do any hotels have referrer programs? I see no reason why the wikivoyage website couldn't transmute the <sleep> urls to use a referrer program link in order to generate revenue to offset the hosting costs. But only if referrer programs exist.

 * Lastly, I should probably provide you with a list of metadata that is currently being thrown away by hotelmaker because there isn't a good place to slot it into the listing. For example, Motel6 has latidude/longitude available, and it'd be nice if I could slot it into some param of the <sleep> tag.  Some Marriotts have a "Sales" phone number which is different from the "Phone". -- (WT-en) Colin 18:13, 13 September 2006 (EDT)

Spam
Did you realize that "Ridesharing" was spam? The IP wasn't trying to constructively contribute to Wikivoyage. I'm switching between DE and EN, but if you see any new articles pop up you may want to double check that it's not spam. They make the font so small you can't see it so you have to click "Edit" to see if what they typed is spam. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 20:00, 13 September 2006 (EDT)

 * Grrr spammers. Actually they were positioning them to the left of the visible web page, far offscreen. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:06, 13 September 2006 (EDT)

Questions
Thanks for your input the things I was adding. The images I was uploading are ones I took this summer - I missed that line about licensing my image...is there a way it can be fixed? (WT-en) Matthew
 * Answered at your talk page. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:35, 15 September 2006 (EDT)

Can you check that this one is correct? Thanks -- (WT-en) Matthew

Xxxdanxxx and Korea dan
Yes both of those are mine, I'm not using the xxx... name any more as it's been out of use for a while so I decided to start again.. thats not against the rules is it? (WT-en) Korea dan 15:15, 1 October 2006 (EDT)

Protection
Just FYI, the USA page didn't get protected; the threat of protecting it seems to have accomplished the desired goal. (Incidentally, I'm not the only admin who would have done so had the bickering continued.)

In my opinion this is exactly the kind of situation that the Project:Protected page policy language on edit wars is for. There had been multiple edits and reverts covering exactly the same contentious language, generating nothing except longer and longer "summaries" of inflexible positions that were making it hard to follow the other stuff going on on the "Recent Changes" page. A six-hour cooling-off period for discussion/reflection seems to me like the right response, and I know that I'm not alone in that feeling. Please e-mail me to discuss further, if you wish. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:57, 1 October 2006 (EDT)

 * I'm not concerned with this particular instance. I'm concerned with the more general hypothetical.  See Project:Protected page policy -- (WT-en) Colin 17:04, 1 October 2006 (EDT)

User:(WT-en) Hate usa
This guy isn't actually bothering me, so feel free to let him do whatever he wants with my user page. I'll revert it later tonight. -- (WT-en) Ryan 17:47, 5 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Okey dokey! -- (WT-en) Colin 17:47, 5 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Hey guys, I'm really sorry about using the button. I just felt it had gone on long enough and was becoming too counter productive.  I wouldn't have done that for a puffing dragon.  -- (WT-en) Sapphire 17:49, 5 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Shrug.  Protecting a page only works for an edit war, not a vandal, but I don't have any real criticism of the attempt.  -- (WT-en) Colin 17:52, 5 October 2006 (EDT)

Alcohol in California
(moved from User talk:209.172.75.162)

Are you sure about your statement about foreign passports and driver's licenses as acceptable IDs for alcohol in California? I have purchased alcohol in California several times with a foreign passport or license. Apart from a curious look and sometimes a difficulty in finding the birth date, I was never refused service. (WT-en) Submarine 19:55, 25 August 2006 (EDT)

Mojave Desert
(moved from User talk:209.172.75.162)

Hello, just giving a heads-up in case you read this. You changed the isin for Baker and Barstow to Mojave Desert. We've had a small discussion about whether Mojave Desert should be a subregion of Desert (California) - I think it should, we created it as such - but I'm not sure about moving the cities there. Probably okayfine, but see subdividing section on Talk:Desert (California). Also - it looks as if you've contributed before and know what you're doing, you should really sign up for a named account!--(WT-en) justfred 19:32, 5 October 2006 (EDT)

Writing about Stadiums
Hey Colin! Hmm, having looked through Project:What is an article? I still think the stadium stuff can stay. Old Trafford/Wembley are both massive attractions, and if we were to put their information into the city articles it would make those city articles very long. There's attractions in their own right, really: indeed, the rule page points to Disneyland an one example of an attraction with its own page. I reckon important stadiums also fit into that category. Cheers though, enjoy the weekend. (WT-en) Victor Greenstreet 19:15, 13 October 2006 (EDT)

Kudos
Just had to leave you something for the speedies. WTG. (WT-en) OldPine 18:57, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

Ski Maps
Hey man,

Regarding the copyright for the ski maps as featured on Tignes etc, yes, my mistake - apologies. On the authority's website they say you can email them to get permission to use them, which I will do in the next couple of days and change the copyright/delete the maps as appropriate. Hope this is OK. (WT-en) Victor Greenstreet 16:10, 21 October 2006 (EDT)

El Cerrito
Sorry about the edit conflict there - I took a look at the article, saw an otheruses, and had a cached version of Special:Recentchanges and didn't notice that you had just updated the article. My bad. -- (WT-en) Ryan 02:24, 12 November 2006 (EST)

 * I didn't even notice :-) -- (WT-en) Colin 02:28, 12 November 2006 (EST)

Panajachel
Jim, thanks for your diplomatic approach on Talk:Panajachel. It's much appreciated. --(WT-en) Evan 12:26, 16 November 2006 (EST)

What Evan said! Nice job! -- (WT-en) Colin 15:35, 16 November 2006 (EST)

 * Evan, Colin: Thanks for mentioning it. I am hopeful the Panajachel anonymous person(s) might perhaps turn into good Wikivoyage editors, if we can get them onside.  (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 23:05, 16 November 2006 (EST)

Hotelmakerbot
Nice job on the bot! I don't know if there's an official policy on the issue or if you have a preference, but when using listing tags I've tried to include empty attributes such as price="" in the hopes that users who have that information will eventually fill it in. At the moment it looks like the bot leaves empty attributes out. The logic is the same idea as including template sections in articles even if there is no data for that section. I don't feel strongly about this, but just wanted to make the suggestion. -- (WT-en) Ryan 23:10, 16 November 2006 (EST)

 * Gah. This means it'll need to reedit each article it's gone through so far... but better now than later when it's a thousand articles to reedit.  -- (WT-en) Colin 23:47, 16 November 2006 (EST)

 * Sorry, didn't mean to make extra work for you, but figured it would be easier to make a suggestion now rather than in a week. As to the default tags, the full list for "sleep" is:

 * name
 * alt
 * address
 * directions
 * phone
 * email
 * fax
 * url
 * hours
 * price
 * geo
 * tags

 * Of those, only "geo" and "tags" look optional to me, and it probably wouldn't even hurt to include those as well, but I don't feel strongly about it. I think Evan eventually plans to create some sort of template for adding these tags, in which case this discussion should hopefully be irrelevant. -- (WT-en) Ryan 00:01, 17 November 2006 (EST)

 * Project:Listings uses "hours" as the field for check-in and check-out, but since that varies greatly by hotel, time of year, clerk at the desk, etc. I don't think we'd be any worse off if that attribute was left out. -- (WT-en) Ryan 00:44, 17 November 2006 (EST)

 * So, on Project:Listings, I've started noting which I think are "recommended" and which are optional. Here, I mean that if the listing doesn't have that info, I don't think the listing's done. I think "alt" is going to be used rarely for English-speaking countries -- only when the hotel has a nickname ("The Old Red Hotel" or something). "Directions" is nice but again will be the exception rather than the rule, and "fax", "url" and "email" are definitely not required. I don't even think checkin-checkout info is absolutely necessary to have, unless the hotel has some extremely strange times that don't correspond to rough standards of late afternoon and midday, respectively. My gotta-have list would be name, address, phone, and price. --(WT-en) Evan 19:18, 10 December 2006 (EST)

Wikipedia links
Thanks for letting me know about how to link to wikipedia. I do appreciate it. --(WT-en) Benjaminevans82 18:00, 30 November 2006 (EST)

Extra attributes
So, I added most of the extra attributes you asked for. Please check Project:Listings for details. --(WT-en) Evan 17:43, 6 December 2006 (EST)

Speedy Deletions
hey cjensen please don't delete my stubs they will grow.

 * Don't create nonsense articles until you are ready to add some content. A hotel, a sight to see, something.  Also, we've been through this before. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:41, 8 December 2006 (EST)

travel agencies
Would you please give your thoughts about listing travel agencies? Thanks in advance. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 04:35, 9 December 2006 (EST)

hotelmakerbot / Bay City (Texas)
Your hotelmakerbot just changed my sleep listings to the  tags in Bay City. That rocks. I need to stop doing this manually. Thanks for the work. (WT-en) Jordanmills 14:19, 10 December 2006 (EST)

Illinois & spanish - I hope my rollback didn't seem obnoxious
Hi Colin, You've probably noticed by now that I rolled back your rollback of Illinois from the list of large-spanish-language-presence states. I hope you don't find the roll-roll-back insulting.

I do think it's reasonable to include Illinois in the list because of the large Spanish-speaking population in Chicago, especially since it's not commonly known. For what it's worth Spanish has also been gaining ground in the rest of Illinois, especially Champaign and Carbondale. -- (WT-en) Mark 16:39, 10 December 2006 (EST)

 * It's not obnoxious at all. When I last was in Chicago and Champaign five years ago, I never happened to hear anyone speak Spanish.  That's never happened to me in LA.  I understand Miami swings even more to Spanish.  It just kinda seems to me the whole country has varying influence of the Spanish-speaking immigrants (and that should probably be noted in the article) and I didn't want to wander down the slippery slope of "Salt Lake City has Spanish speaking neighborhoods too".  But you know the area better, so if you're sure :-). -- (WT-en) Colin 18:47, 10 December 2006 (EST)

 * I agree with Colin here -- judgement should be applied. --(WT-en) Evan 19:11, 10 December 2006 (EST)

DE
I can't recall if I told you this, but I transfered your hotel maker thing to my user namespace (de:Benutzer:(WT-de) Sapphire/project/hotelmaker) on DE so that information would be readily available for DE users. I don't know if you need to know that for any of your hotelmakerbot plans. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 01:40, 11 December 2006 (EST)

Zion National Par
I restored Zion National Par page created in an attempt to vandalize, because I think it could be potentially useful. I occassionally hit enter one letter too soon and get taken to wrong pages or to the search page. If someone hit enter after typing "Zion National Par" and left off the 'k' at least they'd get taken to the right page. I figure if we can make vandalism useful we might as well. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 22:00, 11 December 2006 (EST)

Thanks
Thanks for the tip. -- (WT-en) P.K.Niyogi 19:38, 14 December 2006 (EST)

Google
''Google knows all. And it'll email you about stuff you're interested in if you ask it nicely.''

How does one nicely ask Google to email interesting stuff? -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 00:22, 17 December 2006 (EST)
 * Nevermind. :) -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 00:22, 17 December 2006 (EST)

Ocean Park
The population is known to be 1,459 at the 2000 census. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Park%2C_Washington. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 16:43, 17 December 2006 (EST)

You hate me
Actually, I see no reason to work myself up into an emotion about it. I just don't care. If you were to contribute usefully, I'd probably care in a positive way. But right now I got nothin. -- (WT-en) Colin 13:58, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Paris Edit War
I think it is time to put a block on our anon user. Your thoughts. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 17:13, 29 December 2006 (EST)
 * I have no real opinion. Frankly we can leave the page vandalized for an hour -- unlike the anon editor we will always be here to change it back.  Usually anon vandals who are angry give up by now, so this guy is remarkably persistent so it may be worth trying another route (and I'm still hoping he talks to us on Talk:Paris).  But I'd definitely go through the nomination process formally. -- (WT-en) Colin 17:18, 29 December 2006 (EST)

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Links
Okay, I have restored the links. In my part of the world, I find that people are not using the links to develop a page. The most they do is write a line or two, which probably I could do for dozens of pages. However, once there is some text, then people start acting - add information or modify them. In most of the region or district pages I have created I am leaving the cities without links. Anybody interested can always insert a link. Or may be, at a later stage, I will have to develop the outlines before others are drawn to them. Regards. -- (WT-en) P.K.Niyogi 22:00, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Copy Vio
I'm sorry but the information I took was from the local tourist information site and I really don't have the time to rewrite it all in my own words. The main reason for my copy paste was to ensure the accuracy of the information.

There also was a lot of my own work in there too. (WT-en) Brad Mclain 16:50, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Ok I understand is what I have redone ok, does it abide by your rules? (WT-en) Brad Mclain 23:08, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Admin nomination
I've nominated User:(WT-en) Cacahuate to become an admin; please comment on Project:administrator nominations when you have some time. --(WT-en) Evan 01:26, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Mt. Diablo
Is the whole land-area thing really not true? --(WT-en) Evan 21:15, 6 January 2007 (EST)

 * Having been there, I immediately thought it was bogus. There's a lot of ocean area, the Coastal Range blocks North and South, and the Sierra caps the view a hundred miles east.  Then I checked WikiPedia:Mount Diablo State Park which debunks it. -- (WT-en) Colin 21:21, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Yosemite Cabins
I looked at the Sleepy Bear cabins listing for Yosemite and couldn't determine if it was actually in the park or not - out of curiosity, how did you figure out they were outside? -- (WT-en) Ryan 17:53, 9 January 2007 (EST)

 * Google Earth with the address cut-n-pasted from their website. It looks like a cluster of cabins and stuff just barely beyond the park boundary just off Highway 41. Here's a link to Google Maps.  It looks like it would be a good El Portal-like alternative since there is more to it than just this one place, so a Yosemite West article might be worthwhile.  What bugged me most was the Website -- check out the Photoshopped image they use on their front page without disclaimer. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:41, 9 January 2007 (EST)

 * Good catch. Definitely looks shady - the fact that the web site advertises "in Yosemite" has me thinking we probably don't want to list these guys, even if we create a Yosemite West article. -- (WT-en) Ryan 20:43, 9 January 2007 (EST)

sorry for that
i was just concerned that all these Best Western Hotel links are true spam.

sorry

Looking at your user page you seem to work for the hotel industry!!!!!

 * No I do not. You know what they say about assumptions. -- (WT-en) Colin 19:59, 21 January 2007 (EST)

Wikipedia
OK, I guess I jumped the gun assuming that the Gulistan-e-jauhar content was OK as someone claimed they had the right to release it to us... I should probably be more suspicious about such things. Thanks. (WT-en) Maj 01:34, 26 January 2007 (EST)

upamanyu here
I haven't copied any text from another site. However, I uploaded a photo nainitalgardens.jpg from the Neemrana Hotels website www.neemrana.com. The photo is not actually Nainital as it says, it is a picture of The Glasshouse on the Ganges, 23 kms north of Rishikesh. I don't know whether it is licensed by cc-sa. 202.141.69.110 04:22, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Joseph Stalin
Hello there. I noticed that you were one of the other people reverting the edits that a certain (WT-en) Joseph Stalin was making. I just wanted to inform you, since it seems you might be in better communication with the Wikivoyage superiors (or maybe you're one of them), that I've seen this character before on another wiki. If you read (WT-en) Joseph Stalin's user page, it says simply "Willy on Wheels." Well, over at WikiCars, we had a recurring problem with a user named Willy on Wheels, who kept moving pages to new names and making senseless edits in existing pages. I don't know how the powers that be might want to handle the situation, but I just thought someone should know that he's been a problem elsewhere as well. - (WT-en) Pastrami on Ry 19:56, 5 February 2007 (EST)
 * Yeah, I wrote the text identifying him as Willy. See Project:How to handle unwanted edits. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:00, 5 February 2007 (EST)
 * This Joseph Stalin (Willy on wheels) is making life hell. Can't you please bump him off the site - you are an administrator. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 09:35, 6 February 2007 (EST)
 * Colin: Ah yes, I hadn't read the "How to handle..." page before I posted my message here. I've got a better understanding of the policies now. - (WT-en) Pastrami on Ry 14:18, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Water temp
I've resolved the issues you pointed out about the climate template. I've also moved the template to Template:ClimateCelsius. I also created a Template:ClimateFahrenheit for use in destinations that use the Fahrenheit system. I haven't yet, as of the writing of this comment, add a optional parameter for mean temperatures, but I will.

Also, all fields are now optional, so if the Water temp field is completely empty it will not display unless a value is entered. However, if you do enter data for any one value, but not for the rest of the values the row will appear. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 00:38, 16 February 2007 (EST)
 * P.S. See Cincinnati, though I haven't converted the figures back to Fahrenheit. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 00:39, 16 February 2007 (EST)

Hotel bot
Hey, if you're going to rerun your hotel bot would you please provide the data on de: too? So far, I put the data in my namespace, but it'd be better if it was in your namespace on de:. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 00:55, 2 March 2007 (EST)

Researching copyvios beyond Commons
I think I know that guy's story more or less, because myself I have vfd-ed many of his uploads while moving Poland-related stuff to wts:. But for Commons images, I only placed a vfd when there was a discrepancy between what was stated there and here (i.e. a GFDL image re-uploaded here as CC).

What I'm trying to say is that it's practical that there be a point beyond which the copyvio examination stops and, for me, Commons are such a point. In other words, if an image has existed in Commons over a prolonged period of time and the licence information is consistent, there is no point in googling anymore, because why should we trust any other web page more than Commons, where there are people who actively and constantly search for copyvios.

I understand you have a much broader experience with this, so it's only a side-note from me.

(WT-en) CandleWithHare 18:54, 2 March 2007 (EST)

You reverted on Palestinian Territories
Hi, there was a red link that I fixed in the edits you reverted, I'm going to revert back, let me know if you have any objections --(WT-en) MiddleEastern 08:00, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Seems you beat me to it! --(WT-en) MiddleEastern 08:03, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

Wikivoyage ToC
Colin: I've made some additional changes to the Wikivoyage ToC layout on review. If you get a chance, could you give me your feedback on it?
 * http://wikivoyage.org/review/France
 * http://shared.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Tech:Table_of_contents_makes_too_much_whitespace

Thanks, --(WT-en) Evan 12:27, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

That indian page spammer
I've probably reverted a hundred of his edits in the past day. Is there any way to block an IP range? (WT-en) Jordanmills 09:22, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

please take a look at this...
→ Talk:United States of America

(WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 08:24, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

Hotelmaker
I just created a disambig page for Hampton. Your hotelmaker directs there in (WT-en) Virginia and (WT-en) New Hampshire. Should I change the name of the heading from Hampton or Hampton (New Hampshire) to just Hampton (New Hampshire)? Or will that mess something up? -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 12:08, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

Picture of a Norwegian police officer
Hi, thanks for the heads up. Go ahead and remove the image if you want to. (WT-en) Illustrator

a tribute to cj
just in case you collect insults – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 22:51, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Damn, now that is special. (WT-en) OldPine 23:01, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

Split pages
Colin, you had some strong opinions about the plan to tech:optionally split long guides into one page per section. Since I've got a new version of software on review: to do this, I'd love to get your feedback on the shared: tech page. --(WT-en) Evan 13:26, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

New Mexico
I dropped you an e-line. What's up? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:48, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

Kissimmee edit
No problemo at all. I really appreciate your style of taking the hard line (or maybe it's just knowing the rules). It's part of my reluctance at being an admin--I'm not at all confrontational, or maybe just don't want to get into it. I miss TVerBeek's patrolling, and I sure love it when you kick some butt. (WT-en) OldPine 10:16, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

I know that wikivoyage doesn't accept any urls to vacation rentals that don't have addresses but a lot of rental homes, condos etcetera have deals setup with vacation search engines so you have to sign up through them. What if we linked with general crossroads? or to a search query? Would htat be ok? (WT-en) Danalors 16:44, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

Nazca tour op/agent
You and I have both reverted this guy, but I'm not sure on what basis. What leg are we standing on? I put his info up in full, so we may need to revert again, but I feel he should get an explanation and I don't find policy on this anywhere. We certainly allow tour operators don't we? Even though he's calling them travel agents, I'm not sure that's exactly what it is. On the other hand it's a slippery slope. -- (WT-en) OldPine 08:01, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

 * Agree it's no fun. My shiny buttons are all mucked up already. Sheesh. OK, so the Epoquehotels guys are just a booking agency from what I can see. I've found better primary links for a lot of the hotels and left a message on the IP address asking for an explanation, but gone none. At what point can I put these guys on the spam blacklist (or can I?) so I don't have to revert 25 edits every day?
 * Hey, don't you think there should be a page just for admins to communicate about unwanted edits, who's doing what, etc? There was talk about a manual for admins. I guess I ought to go see if it got done. (WT-en) OldPine 19:06, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Central Oregon Coast
As far as I can tell, that's a valid region in the Oregon hierarchy, so our normal policy should be to de-graffiti it and populate, rather than delete the thing. I've done so over your deletion. Feh ... this vandalism problem is getting worse by the day ... -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:22, 11 November 2007 (EST)

site problem
Hey, are you on? try loading the Greece article. I get:

Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.

Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.

(Can't contact the database server: Unknown error)

sup wit dat? (WT-en) Morph 18:58, 2 December 2007 (EST)


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72.73.127.244
You speedy-deleted 10 pages created by Special:Contributions/72.73.127.244 yesterday, I've just nominated another 3. Maybe you want to block the IP for a bit. ~ 58.8.14.82 12:20, 24 January 2008 (EST)

 * Ditto Special:Contributions/72.87.57.201 ~ 58.8.4.9 13:35, 25 January 2008 (EST)

Block snafu
Yeah, the anon blocks today had your name on them, but the blocked IP was really a later one of Peter's. Didn't look to me like any admin was really at fault. Seemed like a true glitch to me. (WT-en) OldPine 18:59, 21 February 2008 (EST)

 * I'm definitely feeling sheepish about reverting every change from that omni-ip yesterday, though... --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:14, 21 February 2008 (EST)

 * Geez, I glanced at those and thought you were on to some new kind of subtle vandalism. Didn't even occur to me later that the edits were involved in the problem. Oh well, that's why the place runs on the backs of you younger guys. Oh and the hamsters powering the servers of course ;) -(WT-en) OldPine 19:40, 21 February 2008 (EST)

 * When I saw some obvious vandalism from that IP, I was really tempted to do the same. I was totally confused about why the heck someone would put stuff like "foo was here" in some articles, added great stuff to other articles, and in one instance vandalized and then cleaned up an article.  GAH. -- (WT-en) Colin 21:08, 21 February 2008 (EST)

 * Yeah, I was suspicious as to why one individual was making high-volume edits about random towns across the entire world, and figured that the useful edits were suspect. Especially after confirming that one edit removing a "closed" listing, was a flat-out lie. I definitely hadn't considered that 172 was somehow... everyone! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:48, 21 February 2008 (EST)

(test -- checking that anon edits maybe still work).

Damnascus
I'm really glad to see you tackle that nonsense. I was aware of how bad things were getting, but the idea of trying to fix it made my head hurt for some reason. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:17, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

Correction corrections
Looks like my attempts to help made extra work yesterday. Sorry about that! And thanks again for all you do here. (WT-en) OldPine 07:02, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Trainschedule to and from Vienna
Hi Colin, I sort of understand whats your argumentation of removing the links to the summary of train connection to Western and Eastern Europe from Vienna, but I think its taking the goal of making a printed guide one step too far. For me, the sheet with connections really made sense, and I used it a lot, but on the other hand, such detailed info doesnt fit in WT pages. To remove it because it wont go into the printed edition, and thereby refraining online users from this practical resource is, well, i would like to get those resources from a site such as WT. -- (WT-en) Eiland 18:19, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Medical Tourism in Thailand
Hi there! ... why have you posted a deletion for the article Medical Tourism in Thailand? can i know the reason? --(WT-en) Borndistinction 03:25, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 * See Project:Votes for deletion. -- (WT-en) Colin 15:50, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

wts:Multilingual statistics
Hello! Could you renew the historic statistic graphs? And which method you use to obtain source data for it? -- (WT-en) Sergey kudryavtsev 06:44, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Florida Learn
Thank you for removing that. I've been telling the contributer of that wikipedia-copy-and-paste that it does not belong here. Thank you, thank you.Hopefully this build consensus for my case.(WT-en) Jtesla16 11:52, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

 * I'm not following that, but I wanted to remind all parties that Wikipedia has a license incompatible with our own, and that it is a legal violation to use Wikipedia text here. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:02, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

e-mail
I'm slightly wary of giving out my e-mail address; what do you need it for? (WT-en) LtPowers 22:06, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Pages reverted
Hi Cjensen, I saw that you reverted some pages that we had edited after we added a tour listing for Scavenger Hunt Anywhere to some locations. I read over the submission guidelines, especially the part about external links, but I'm not seeing where we were in error. Can you please help me understand your reasoning so we don't cross the line again. Thanks! Andrew :)

—The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 99.242.5.158 (talk • contribs)

 * Hard though it may be to understand, we actually do not encourage companies which are not in the travel-related business to add links to every article in Canada. I can cite the specific policies, but since this should be common sense, I'll let you work that out yourself. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:40, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Daytona Beach, Harbour Beach Resort
Hello Colin, I am having an issue with another contributor which I need an Admin to weigh in on. I added a hotel listing for Harbour Beach Resort in Daytona Beach a while back. I have an intimate knowledge of Harbour Beach Resort, as I used to work there a few years ago. The property is a condo-hotel with 159 units - the units are owned by individuals and rented out as hotel rooms when the owners are not around. I added the official website, "harbourbeachresortonline.com". Westgate Resorts (a large timeshare company) bought 24 of the condo units there and operates their timeshare business there. Westgate does not own the building - only their 24 units. The building is owned by the Condominium Association - all the owners together. User Open321, who I assume is a Westgate employee, has been coming into Daytona Beach and basically "taking over" the listing for Harbour Beach Resort. He keeps changing the name and changing the website over to one that Westgate operates. I have been reverting the edits. The user tried to tell me that Westgate represents the property. After I demonstrated that I knew the building very well, the user instead has requested a second listing in Daytona Beach. I do not believe that would be an allowed solution, since each condo owner could ask for an individual listing as well. I decided not to act further until an admin looks over the issue. Please see Open321's talk page. (WT-en) gamweb 04:34, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

 * See talk page please. (WT-en) Sertmann 04:55, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

You should delete/ban
Delete/ban the person/article labelled "money" that was just createed. It's spam ( I think ) and innapropriate. (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 20:35, 23 October 2008 (EDT)Edmontonenthusiast

Thanks!
Thank you very much for editing Southwest for me, it is so overwhelming doing this work (and only bein' here a week :P). Believe me, your work, even if you think it is little, is a load off, THANKS! (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 00:36, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

THANK.YOU.VERY.MUCH
Hi, Cjensen, I wanted to thank you for all the help you have givien me and the Edmonton article(s). I really do appreciate it!! :) (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 02:00, 26 October 2008 (EDT)


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Well done
This is hugely useful information, thanks for putting it together. It's late so I haven't gone through listings in any detail, but did notice that the Motel 6 URL for the Walnut Creek location is longer than it needs to be. The "&state=CA&full=California&city=Walnut%20Creek" portion is superflous. Not a big deal, but it looks like you may already be trimming URLs somewhat, so that's one more bit that can be trimmed. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 03:59, 21 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * Heh. It means that Motel 6 actually links to that excessively long name from within their website.  I really don't understand why they do stuff like that. -- (WT-en) Colin 04:10, 21 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Is that you, or a spammer?
I notice that the Albuquerque article, on which I work from time to time, has recently sprouted some hotel listings for the Amerisuites chain that strike me as odd (they copy language straight from the chain's web sites, for example). I tend to conclude that this is the work of a spammer or busybody low-level marketing executive (there's a difference??), and am leaning toward a revert, but I could also imagine this as a consequence of your hotelmaker project under some conditions. Could you confirm that you have/have not been messing around with Amerisuites? You might check out that page to see what concerns me.

Whatever your answer, it strikes me that the hotelmaker idea will have to be approached very carefully, lest stuff like this become widespread. Uncritically copying in hotel information, regardless of where it comes from, runs the risk of some real fleabags getting "recommended." (I've stayed in one of the Amerisuites mentioned there, and no way would I ever recommend it to any but the most desperate traveler.) Or do you have some prophylaxis in mind? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 21:11, 8 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * Your reply received, and I think, understood. I've edited the Albuquerque Amerisuites listings; you might stop by and have a look.

 * The danger in all this, which the Amerisuites invasion exemplifies, is that the goal of getting real, traveler-validated content on these places may get lost under an avalanche of propaganda. The shills can pile on the advertising blat a lot faster than we who've been to the places can clean it up.  It's good to hear that you're intending, or using, an opinion filter.  Would that the advertisers were so considerate!  -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:41, 9 Nov 2005 (EST)

Curious
This has sparked my interest and I have a couple of questions?

 * Can us lay people use this?
 * If so, how?
 * How did you come up with the idea for this?

-(WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 03:18, 31 May 2006 (EDT)

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> Keep track of which entries have been inserted into articles so as to avoid re-adding them later if someone deletes them (see Wikivoyage:Avoid negative reviews).

Maybe it's better to introduce policy for any item removed for negative opinions to be placed into article's Talk page, with the last edition of review before the deletion (and if it's not negative, with reasons for removal)? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:33, 2 February 2008 (EST)


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What to do if you're a business owner
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That would include your bus ticket booking service, wouldn't it?

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