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Talk:Narathiwat/Listings

By car
From Bangkok, it is a distance of 1,149 kilometres. Take Highway No. 4 past Prachuap Khiri Khan-Chumphon and Highway No. 41 past Surat Thani-Nakhon Si Thammarat-Phatthalung-Hat Yai and connect to Highway No. 42 to Pattani-Narathiwat.

By bus
Transport Co., Ltd. offers daily Bangkok-Narathiwat and Bangkok-Su-ngai Kolok bus services. Air-conditioned buses, varying in 3 types, depart from Bangkok’s Southern Bus Terminal at the following times:

Bangkok-Narathiwat

 * VIP Bus – 5.15 p.m.
 * Ordinary 1 Bus – 3 p.m.
 * Ordinary 2 Bus – 3.30 p.m.

Bangkok - Su-ngai Kolok

 * VIP Bus – 5.15 p.m.
 * Ordinary Bus – 6 p.m.

There are also scheduled buses to and from Narathiwat to the following destinations available: Yala, Pattani, Hat Yai Please inquire locally at the bus depots/terminals for fares and departure schedules.

By train
The State Railways of Thailand has a daily express and rapid Bangkok -  Su-Ngai Kolok service, departing from the Bangkok Railway Station at 0.25 p.m. and 2.45 p.m.

The closest station in proximity to the province's capital is: Tanyongmat, please notify railroad staff if you plan to get off there beforehand. Local transport from Tanyongmat is scarce and scheduled services unavailable. Su-Ngai Kolok has plenty of regular Buses and minivans plying the route to Narathiwat. Minivan fare as of June 2008 is 80 Baht one-way

For information, call tel. 1690, 0 2223 7010, 0 2223 7020, Su-Ngai Kolok station, tel. 0 7361 1162, 0 7361 4060 or visit www.srt.motc.go.th.

There are no trains connecting to the Malaysian rail network at present. Pasir Mas being the closest station (northern leg of the so-called jungletrain) to Su-Ngai Kolok (approx. 25 KM)

By plane
Thai Airways International has a daily Bangkok-Phuket-Narathiwat flight. For information, call tel. 1566, 0 2280 0060, 0 2628 2000, Narathiwat office, tel. 0 7351 1161, 0 7351 3090 or visit www.thaiair.com

Amphoe Mueang
Hat Narathat (หาดนราทัศน์) is a clean, white beach about 5 KM long. It ends at a cape at the mouth of Bang Nara River where the annual Korlae boat races are held. The rows of pines give the area a refreshing shade. Locals like to come here to unwind. Nearby are fishing villages spread along the river and the bay is full of Korlae boats of fishermen. Narathat Beach is about 1 KM from town on Phichit Bamrung Road. Tourists can conveniently hire motorcycletaxis, tricycles or mini-buses from town. Old Central Mosque (มัสยิดกลางหลังเก่า) is called Yumiya Mosque or Rayo Mosque. It is in the north of town, further from the provincial hall on Phichit Bamrung Road, just before the clock tower intersection. This Sumatran-style wooden mosque was built in 1938. This is the province’s original mosque and the burial place of the old city lord, Phraya Phu Pha Phakdi. Usually there is only one provincial mosque, but because this mosque is quite small, a new one was built at the mouth of Bang Nara River. However, locals still revere this old mosque and regard to this mosque as the central one. This gives Narathiwat two central mosques. New Central Mosque is at Ban Bang Nara, just before Narathat Beach. This is a religious site for Thai Muslims. It was built in 1981 and is the province’s second central mosque. The Arabian-style building has 3 floors. The ground floor is the main convention hall and the prayer rooms are on the top 2 floors. The top is covered with a large dome and there is a high tower for calling Muslims to prayer. Khao Kong Buddhist Park (พุทธอุทยานเขากง) is on an area of 142 rais (56.8 acres) in Tambon Lamphu, about 9 kilometres from town on the Narathiwat-Rangae route (Highway No. 4055). Wat Khao Kong and the golden Phra Phuttha Thaksin Ming Mongkhon Buddha image sitting in the lotus position atop a mountain can be seen. The style is South Indian art. Construction began in 1966 and was completed in 1969. The image is made of steel-reinforced concrete decorated with gold mosaics. It is 17 metres wide and 24 metres from top to bottom. It is considered the most beautiful and largest outdoor Buddha image in southern Thailand. The next hill is the site of Siri Maya Pagoda in the shape of a bell. Above all 4 doorways are small pagodas. Inside is a Phra Phrom image and at the very top the holy relics of Lord Buddha are kept. Another hill is the site of a convocation hall, with the outer walls decorated with carved fired clay tiles. Behind it is a figure of an elephant kneeling to present a lotus. The building’s awning portrays a warrior and an angel holding a jug. Thaksin Ratchaniwet Palace (พระตำหนักทักษิณราชนิเวศน์) is on Tanyongmat Mountain, Tambon Kaluwo Nua, on the coast near Manao Bay. It is 8 KM from town on Highway No. 4084 (Narathiwat-Tak Bai). Situated on an area of 480,000 sqm., His Majesty King Bhumibol Adulyadej commissioned its construction in 1973. The compound comprises throne halls decorated with an assortment of trees, giving the area good shade. There is also a crafts centre that provides training on pottery and ceramics, as well as sells products. The palace is open to the public daily during 08.30-16.30 hrs., but not on days when the king is in residence, which is usually during October-December. Getting There: Take a bus or songtheauw that services Tak Bai and get off in front of the palace. Ao Manao Park (อ่าวมะนาว) is at Mu 1, Tambon Kaluwo Nua. Take Highway No. 4084 (Narathiwat-Tak Bai) for about 3 KM and a road to the beach for 2.5 KM. The bay is around 4 KM long. Rocks divide the beach into parts. The southern end of the beach connects to Thaksin Ratchaniwet Palace. The wooded hill near the beach has an arboretum and a row of pines that makes it very suitable for relaxation. There is also a beach forest study trail. Plants found here usually prefer dry climate like Chak Thale, Manao Phi and Toei Thale (appearance similar to a pineapple). There is limited private accommodation nearby if you want to stay overnight. Phikun Thong Development Study Centre (ศูนย์ศึกษาการพัฒนาพิกุลทอง) was established according to the wish of His Majesty the King who wanted it to be a knowledge centre for land reform in the area. The centre has a complete range of studies, such as analyzing and testing plants, livestock caring, giving technical know-how, and providing agricultural training. The centre has an area of 2,784,000 sqm., divided into office buildings, demonstration plots and testing plots in swamp forest areas. Royal projects include a soil project that adds maximum acidity to paddy soil and then finding a solution to it so it can be used to counter acid soil everywhere. Others are a new concept in agriculture that is used in areas with an abundant supply of water and planting of oil palm in highly organic soil. A small complete-cycle factory and Prince of Songkhla University jointly look after products from palm oil like oil extracts, soap and butter. Some are sold to workers and the rest are sold to outsiders. A livestock factory produces animal waste gas wells. There is also a project that plants Zalacca palm to supplement rubber plantations. Furthermore, the centre has open on weekdays a training centre on making products from Krachut sedge and Annonaceae leaves. People that come here to study also receive considerable enjoyment. This is according to the intention of His Majesty the King that an observation tour here should be akin to a picnic in a park. The centre holds an exhibition every September at the same time as the Narathiwat Products Fair. Getting There : The centre is located between Ban Phikun Thong and Ban Khok Saya in Tambon Kaluwo Nua, about 1 KM from the palace and 8 KM from Narathiwat town on Highway No. 4084 (Narathiwat-Tak Bai). Ban Yakang (หมู่บ้านยะกัง) is an old community that has been in existence since the province was just Bang Nara village. It is now a major Batik production centre. The fabrics made here have beautiful designs and colors, all made by traditional techniques. They can be used in a variety of ways and are very popular among villagers and tourists. The village is around 4 KM from the provincial hall on Highway No. 4055 (Amphoe Mueang-Amphoe Rangae) and turn into Yakang 1 Road Soi 6 for about 700 metres. Ban Thon (หมู่บ้านทอน) is at Tambon Khok Tian, around 16 KM from the town on Highway No. 4136 (Narathiwat-Ban Thon). This is a traditional Thai Muslim fishing village that is a production centre of real and miniature Korlae boats. Miniature ones range from a few hundred Baht to tens of thousand. The boats are all the more valuable because most are made by young local boys ages 13 and up. Some children spend their free time making these miniature boats, which is considered to be a form of local art. Apart from taking home the boats, you may also take back with you fond memories of seeing kids devoting themselves into making of these masterpieces. Furthermore, there are products made of Krachut sedge and Annonaceae leaves for sale, like eyeglass holders, bags and mats of exquisite designs and bright colors. If carefully maintained, they can last up to 10 years. The products have reasonable prices, from 30 Baht to a few hundred. The area is also well known for producing delicious Budu sauce and fish crackers. Along the beach you will see lines of dried fish and many Budu sauce vats. The sauce is used extensively in southern cooking like fish sauce that is commonly used in Thai cooking. Tourists can see how the sauce is made and buy souvenirs. However, please note that on Friday afternoons, the villagers tend to go to prayers and take the half day off, so it may not be convenient for you to plan to buy things on that day. Korlae Boat (เรือกอและ) is a small wooden fishing boat that is used in the southernmost provinces. The boat ranges in length from approx 10 to 13 m. The boat has a unique style, the bow and the stern being higher than the hull. Handpainted designs on the boats are a combination of Malay, Javanese and Thai styles, with emphasis on Thai patterns, such as a running scroll design, lotus, serpents, magic monkeys, and heads of birds in literature like “Burong Si-ngo” or Singhapaksi (a creature with the body of a lion and the head of a bird holding a fish with its beak) at the bow. The creature has sharp fangs and claws, is powerful and is a good diver. Therefore, it has been a favorite of Korlae fishermen ever since ancient times. The art on the boat is like an “artistic masterpiece on waves” and is considered art of life as the Korlae boat not only shows off the greatness of its design, but is also the primary instrument used by fishermen to make a living. It is said that a Bang Nara villager without a Korlae fishing boat is like a person without clothes. The harbors of Tak Bai and Narathiwat (near Hat Narathat) are good spotting locations for these unique boats.

Amphoe Bacho
 Budo-Su-ngai Padi Mountain Range National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติเทือกเขาบูโด – สุไหงปาดี) used to be a part of Sankala Khiri mountain range that divides Thailand and Malaysia. The area was a haven for guerrillas and few people ventured in to see the natural beauty of the jungle here. However, when the situation improved in 1974, the Royal Forest Department established Pacho Waterfall Park that became Budo-Su-ngai Padi National Park. The park has an area of 294 square kilometres and covers parts of Narathiwat, Yala and Pattani. The Budo mountain range is part of the Indo-Malayan tropical jungle that has high humidity because of the year-round rainfall that it gets. This is a biologically diverse jungle when compared to other jungles of similar size. This type of tropical jungle is found only in equatorial zones (the area between the 23.5 degrees north and south of the Tropic of Cancer). In Thailand, this area is from the Kra Isthmus down. Botanists divide the world’s tropical forests into three zones; American rainforest, Indo-Malayan rainforest and African tropical forest. The most distinctive plant here is “Golden Leaves” or “Yandao.” This plant was first discovered in the world in 1988 here. The vine leaves are gold in colour, similar to a hardwood tree of the genus Bauhinia, but considerably larger. Some leaves are even larger than the palm of a hand. The edges of the leaves are curved throughout, like 2 ovals connected to each other. The leaves have a soft velvet-like texture. They have beautiful gold or bronze/rainbow colours. When sunlight reflects on them, they give off a lovely glow that can be seen from a distance. If the tree grows in a damp area, the leaves will be especially thick and soft. When fully matured, the leaves will turn bronze/silver and finally green. The white flowers of the tree are equally attractive. There is a nice one near the park office. Another important, rare and expensive plant found here is the rattan “Takha Thong.” Rare animals in the area are rhinoceros, agile gibbons, tapirs, and Sumatran serows. The most important animal is the spectacled langur that inhabits Southeast Asia in the south of Myanmar and Thailand all the way to Malaysia and some islands. It lives on high mountains and in deep jungles in groups of around 30-40. The strongest male is the leader. The langur is usually shy, afraid of humans and not aggressive like monkeys. Apart from the spectacled langur, there are 3 other types in Thailand; banded langurs, gray langurs and northern spectacled langurs. All 4 species of langurs are currently endangered mammals. The park has several waterfalls, such as Phu Wae, Pacho and Pako. The best known and accessible is “Pacho” that has a high cliff. The word “Pacho” is a Malay word meaning “waterfall.” Tourists can go up the 9 levels of the waterfall. It is the province’s largest waterfall and one of the most beautiful in southern Thailand. However, as the jungle around the area is somewhat damaged, there is little water in the dry season. Other interesting spots are Sala Than That that used to be the rest area of King Rama VII when he visited Narathiwat. A stone bearing his initials is in the area. Tourists can come here throughout the year. Getting There: The waterfall is 26 kilometres from Narathiwat town. Take Highway No. 42 to Amphoe Bacho to the intersection into the district, and then turn right for about 2 kilometres to the park office. 300 Years Mosque (มัสยิด 300 ปี) (also known as Al-Hussein Mosque or Talo Mano Mosque) is in Ban Talo Mano, Tambon Subo Sawo, 25 kilometres from Narathiwat town. Take Highway No. 42 and turn at Burangae intersection. Mr. Wan Hussein Az-Sanawi, who migrated from Ban Sano Yanya in Pattani Province, built the mosque in 1624. The mosque was originally roofed with palm leaves and later with fired clay tiles. The mosque is different than others as it is 2 buildings connected to each other. It is built entirely of timber, with pieces interlocking each other without nails. The style is traditional Thai with contemporary Chinese and Malay. The most outstanding feature is that above the roof is a base that supports a gable. The Azan tower has a Chinese style and is situated on the rear part of the roof. The tower has wooden walls with windows. The air holes are carved with leaf, flower and Chinese designs. This mosque is still used by Muslims. People wanting to see inside must receive permission from the village Imam as normally visitors can only have a look outside. Talo Mano village was also a production centre of handwritten Korans. Next to the mosque is a Muslim graveyard. For male graves, the rock decorating the grave will be round, while for females, only half of the rock will be visible. Luang Pho Daeng of Wat Choeng Khao (หลวงพ่อแดงวัดเชิงเขา) is at Mu 4, Ban Choeng Khao, Tambon Paluka Samo, about 13 kilometres from the district office on the way to Pattani. Take Highway No. 42 (Phetchakasem Road) and turn left at Ban Ton Thai for 5.5 kilometres. Luang Pho Daeng, the temple’s ex-abbot and a revered monk of the province, died on 1 January 1979 at the age of 90 years old. His body did not decompose after death, resulting in great worship by locals and they placed the body in a glass coffin for people to pay their respects to.

Buy
Longkong (ลองกอง) is the most famous fruit of Narathiwat. The most popular type is Ban Sipo Longkong of Amphoe Rangae. It is in the same family as Langsat. It has a thick skin and does not have resin like Langsat. Though it has less fruit substance, it is sweeter. Another delicious type is Tanyongmat Longkong that is actually Ban Sipo Longkong grown at Ban Tanyongmat. Longkongs are in season around mid-August-September.

Local Handicrafts are products made from Krachut sedge and Panan leaves, miniature Kolae boats, and ceramics.

Batik (ผ้าบาติก) is a Javanese word used to describe a kind of dyed fabric that combines artistic craftsmanship with dyeing techniques. There is evidence that batiks have been in existence for about 2,000 years.

The art of making Batiks is quite interesting. It has a simple process, which is “drawing designs with candles” or using a tool called “Wan Ting” to dip into melted wax to draw designs on the fabrics in areas where dyes are unwanted, before applying colours. When dyed, colours will appear only in parts where the melted wax was not applied and the colours will be absorbed into the cracks of the hardened wax, creating unusually lovely patterns that are distinctive of Batiks.

Nowadays prints are more popular than handmade designs as it is quicker and more convenient. Batiks are sold in major tourist cities in Thailand, as well as exported to Malaysia.

Salted Threadfin (ปลากุเราเค็ม) is a type of salted fish that has soft meat. It is the most delicious and most expensive salted fish in Thailand. It is sought after by people everywhere. It is made at Tambon Chehe in Amphoe Tak Bai.

Festivals
Narathiwat Products Fair (งานของดีเมืองนรา) showcases all the highlights of the province, such as the show of special arts and crafts, Krachut sedge day, barred ground dove cooing contest, Longkong day, and the annual Kolae boat races in front of the throne hall.

 * Korlae-Long Boat Races in Front of the Throne Hall are held on Bang Nara River opposite Sala Prachakhom (community pavilion). This is an annual event held when the Royal Family is in residence at Thaksin Ratchaniwet Palace.

 * Krachut Sedge Day is an event of the province held around the same time as the boat races in order to publicize and promote hemp products, one of the activities of the crafts project of the province. Products are made in places like Mu Ban Thon and Ban Phikun Thong.  Activities of the day include an exhibition on production from the preparation of raw materials that are the Krachut sedge trees that grow in peat swamp forests or waterlogged areas of the province, to weaving the sedge into beautiful mats or transforming it into other lovely and unusual products like hats, handbags, letter holders, food covers, and lamp shades.  Moreover, there are Krachut contests and stores selling Krachut sedge products.

Chao Mae Tomo Celebrations (งานสมโภชเจ้าแม่โต๊ะโมะ) is an important festival of Su-ngai Kolok and consists of the Chao Mae Tomo procession, floral floats, lion and dragon parade, and performance of people being possessed. The event is held on the 23rd day of the third month of the Chinese calendar. Entertainment includes Chinese opera and many shops.

Amphoe Muang

 * Ocean Blue Mansion (297 Phupapakdi Rd. (phone: 073-811109 / 511047) 20+ rooms : 350 - 450 baht

 * Cathay (คาเธ่ย์ 275 Phupapakdi Road (Tel: 0 7351 1014) 15 rooms: 120-150 baht

 * Chao Phraya Resort (เจ้าพระยา รีสอร์ท) 54 Suriyapradit Road (Tel: 0 7351 3467) 17 rooms: 250-380 baht

 * Tanyong (ตันหยง) 16/1 Sophapisai Road (Tel: 0 7351 1477-9) 27 rooms: 170-440 baht

 * Tippawan (ทิพวรรณ) 36/16 Chareonpong Road (Tel: 0 7351 1872) 27 rooms: 170-440 baht

 * Narathiwat (นราธิวาส) 341 Pupapakdi Road (Tel: 0 7351 1063) 19 rooms: 100 baht

 * Bangnara (บางนารา) 274 Pupapakdi Road (Tel: 0 7351 1036) 16 rooms: 110 baht

 * Yaovarat (เยาวราช) 131 Pichitbumrong Road (Tel: 0 7351 1320) 42 rooms: 120-250 baht

 * Rex (เร็กซ์) 6/1-2 Chamrunnara Road (Tel: 0 7351 1134, 0 7351 1190) 38 rooms: 200-450 baht

 * Pacific (แปซิฟิค) 41/1-2 Vorakampipit (Tel: 0 7351 1076, 0 7351 1259) 21 rooms: 300-440 baht

 * Panun Resort (ปาหนัน รีสอร์ท) Narathiwat-Takbai Road (Tel: 0 7351 4749) 40 rooms: 300-500 baht

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 18:45, 5 February 2010 (EST)

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New Skyliner
FYI I have the new writeup prepared for when the New Skyliner is launched next month. (WT-en) JRHorse 22:40, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

 * Please post it here for fine-tuning, not all details have been released yet. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:07, 18 June 2010 (EDT)

New "By Train" for Narita Article
Note that an image of the new Keisei Skyliner will replace the one currently shown. I also added another infobox; not sure if this is something that we'd want to get rid of or keep. Also we'll want to edit the article elsewhere to indicate that the train will be a competitive option compared to the bus when traveling between Narita and Haneda airports. (WT-en) JRHorse 09:44, 20 June 2010 (EDT)

By train
There are three train lines from Narita and all will get you into Tokyo. Note that if coming to the airport, each terminal has its own station and it is imperative that you get off at the right one. The stop for Terminal 1 is Narita Airport (成田空港), and the stop for Terminal 2 is, appropriately, Airport Terminal 2 (空港第２ビル), pronounced kūkō dai-ni biru, or literally, "Airport Number 2 Building". Lists of airlines and their terminals are posted inside the trains. As of July 2010, smoking is not permitted on any of these services.

The two premier train services that operate out of Narita Airport are the Skyliner and the Narita Express. As a general rule of thumb, Skyliner trains offer the fastest ride into Tokyo, while Narita Express trains offer direct one-seat connections to the bullet trains and most of Tokyo's major train stations.

If you are on a budget and plan to use any of the various commuter train services that run out of Narita Airport, using a stored fare card (Suica or PASMO) will prove to be convenient.

JR line
From Narita Airport, the fastest and most expensive way (by rail) into Tokyo is the Japan Railways (JR) Narita Express (N'EX) into central Tokyo Station. The ride takes 55 minutes, costs ¥2,940 and offers the best connections to Shinkansen (bullet train) services or the JR Yamanote loop line. Trains usually depart Terminal 1 at around 15 and 45 minutes past the hour; there is one hourly departure between 12 Noon and 1 PM, and after 8 PM. Smoking is not permitted on board the Narita Express, and all seats are reserved. Brand new E259-series trains, which offer a smoother and more secure ride, have been introduced on the service from October 2009; they will be fully implemented on all runs by June 2010.

Alternatively, you can continue onward in the same train, which splits in two with the front half heading south to Shinagawa, Musashi-Kosugi, Yokohama and Ofuna, while the rear cars go west to Shibuya, Shinjuku and Ikebukuro. Trains run to Hachioji, Takao and Omiya in the evening, with service from these stations to Narita Airport during morning hours. Reservations are required but can be purchased just before boarding if there is space (and there usually is). If there is no space, JR will sell standing tickets for ¥500 less.

JR East sells a special Suica fare package, called "Suica & N'EX", exclusively to foreign visitors. The cost includes a discounted fare on the Narita Express (one-way or round-trip, in standard class or green class) and regular JR lines from the airport to any destination in the Tokyo metropolitan area; ¥1500 to use on rail travel in Tokyo or on purchases at locations that accept the Suica card, and a ¥500 deposit. The "Suica & N'EX" card is sold only at Narita Airport, and can be purchased using cash or credit card. It can also be recharged with additional funds, but only by paying cash. The one-way Suica & N'EX ticket is ¥3500 in standard class and ¥5000 for the green car. The round-trip ticket costs ¥5500 in standard class and ¥8000 for the green car; the return trip to Narita Airport must be taken within 14 days and seat reservations must be made prior to departure. (As an example, under this plan a one-way trip on the Narita Express from the airport to Shinjuku in standard class would cost only ¥1500, compared to the normal fare of ¥3110. A round-trip for the same journey would cost ¥3500, compared to ¥6220.)

JR also operates Rapid trains on the Sobu/Narita line, leaving once per hour and stopping at various points along the way, including Chiba. To Tokyo the trip is approximately 82 minutes and costs ¥1,280. These are normal, non-smoking commuter trains and often get crowded during rush hour (though boarding at Narita Airport should not be a problem).

If you have a voucher for a JR pass, then you should exchange it here at the JR View Plaza Travel Service Center (Regular JR ticket counter when the View Plaza is closed), as the Narita Express is free with a Japan Rail Pass. You can also make onward reservations from Tokyo.

Keisei Railway
The private Keisei (京成, stylized as K'SEI) Railway offers trains to central and southern Tokyo, as well as direct commuter trains to Haneda airport. Keisei trains run on two routes: the faster, more-direct Narita Sky Access Line and the slower, less-direct Keisei Main Line. Both routes connect to Tokyo's Keisei Ueno and Nippori stations. Nippori offers the easiest connection to the JR Yamanote and Joban Lines, and to the Nippori-Toneri Liner for Tokyo's Adachi Ward. At Keisei Ueno you can walk over to JR Ueno station to connect to the JR Tohoku and Takasaki lines and northbound Shinkansen trains, as well as the Ginza and Hanzomon subway lines.

Because the Sky Access and Keisei Main Lines operate on different fare structures, separate ticket gates and platforms are used at Narita Airport's two train stations. Sky Access Line passengers only have to pass through one ticket gate, while Keisei Main Line passengers must pass through two ticket gates.

Sky Access Line
Keisei's premier service is the Skyliner, which operates on the Sky Access Line twice per hour. The Skyliner is the fastest train connecting Narita Airport to Tokyo, with trains running into and out of Keisei Ueno and Nippori stations. The brand new Skyliner trains offer comfortable seating and a maximum speed of 160 km/h (100 mph). The full run from Terminal 1 to Ueno takes 44 minutes, with the train traveling nonstop between Nippori and Terminal 2 in 36 minutes. All seats are reserved and the fare is ¥2400 each way.

The budget option along the Sky Access Line is the commuter train service known as Access Express, or Access Tokkyu (アクセス特急). Access Tokkyu trains depart every 40 minutes, and most of them run into the Toei Asakusa Subway Line. Making limited stops, the Access Tokkyu is the best way to reach Asakusa (65 minutes, ¥1240) and Nihombashi (70 minutes, ¥1280). Shimbashi (75 minutes, ¥1280) puts you within easy reach of the Yurikamome to Odaiba. A change of trains at Nihombashi will allow you to make a quick hop into the Ginza district (Higashi-Ginza Station, 80 minutes, ¥1280). Many services also continue onto the Keikyu Line for Shinagawa (85 minutes, ¥1460) and Haneda Airport (105 minutes, ¥1740); if your train terminates at Nishi-Magome then you can change trains at Sengakuji station.

After 4:00 PM (5:00 PM on weekends), Access Tokkyu trains run directly into Nippori and Keisei Ueno in 60 minutes at a cost of ¥1200, otherwise you will have to change trains at Aoto station; this increases travel time to 70-80 minutes.

From the Access Tokkyu trains you can transfer at Imba-Nihon-Idai station - two stations after Terminal 2 - to local Hokuso Railway services. At Shin-Kamagaya station you can change to the Tobu Noda Line and Shin-Keisei Railway, and at Higashi-Matsudo station you can change to the JR Musashino Line.

Keisei Main Line
Regular Tokkyu (特急) commuter trains - those that do not carry the "Access" designation - depart from Narita Airport every 20 minutes, reaching Keisei Ueno in 80 minutes at a cost of ¥1000. During the morning and early afternoon hours, you should use these Tokkyu services over Sky Access trains as they offer a one-seat, cheaper ride. After 4:00 PM (5:00 PM on Weekends), Sky Access trains offer a one-seat ride from Narita Airport directly to Nippori and Ueno; the 20 minutes you'll save on the Sky Access train is worth paying the extra ¥200.

If you want to pay more for a reserved seat, Keisei operates hourly City Liner trains during the middle of the day only. Using older trains that operated Skyliner services prior to their upgrade in July 2010, City Liners run on the Keisei Main Line and make stops at Keisei Narita, Funabashi, Aoto, Nippori and Ueno stations. The travel time from Ueno to Narita Airport is 75 minutes at a cost ¥1920. There is also a daily 7:00 AM City Liner departure from Keisei Ueno to Narita Airport. The City Liner is good for traveling to/from Aoto, Funabashi and Keisei Narita stations, otherwise to reach Narita Airport you might want to think about paying the extra ¥480 to use the faster Skyliner.

Other reserved-seat services include the Morning Liner which operates from the airport to Ueno twice in the morning, and the Evening Liner which operates from Ueno to the airport six times at night after the final Skyliner service has run. Morning and Evening liner trains are cheaper than the City Liner at ¥1400, but the drawback is that you can only make a seat reservation on the day of departure from a special ticket vending machine.

From the Keisei Main Line you have the option of transferring at Funabashi station to the JR Chūō-Sobu line or at Katsutadai station to the Tōyō Rapid with through service to the Tōzai subway line, both of which go right through the middle of Tokyo. The Chūō-Sobu line goes through Akihabara (86 minutes from Narita, ¥1100), Ochanomizu, Yotsuya and Shinjuku (104 minutes, ¥1260) and facilitates an easy transfer to the regular JR Chūō express, which goes as far west as Tachikawa, Ōme, Takao and other destinations beyond. The Tōzai line takes a slight southern approach with stops including Kiba (77 minutes, ¥1400), Nihonbashi, Iidabashi and Takadanobaba (98 minutes, ¥1440).

Note that none of the subway or Chūō lines are specifically prepared for travelers with big luggage and tend to get crowded once inside the Yamanote ring, the exchanges at Katsutadai and Funabashi are usually rather pleasant though.

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Talk:Narmada

VFD Discussion
A river. (WT-en) Shep 15:03, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

 * Probaby easiest to redirect to Madhya Pradesh. Then, no need for a debate :).--(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:01, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

Result: Redirect. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:49, 2 May 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Narragansett

Event Facilities

 * I believe large-scale event planning is outside of our scope, so I'm putting this stuff here for now. (WT-en) Texugo 23:33, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

Looking for somewhere to hold a wedding reception or family get together? These are some of the facilities that are available to rent in Narragansett:

 * Kinney Bungalow, 505 Point Judith Road, +1 401-783-8907. Located on Sunset Farm, the Kinney Bungalow is a beautiful rustic building available for events from May through October.

 * Amalfi, 1 Beach Street, +1 401-792-4999. This Narragansett gourmet restaurant is open year round, has an ocean view, and specializes in Mediterranean Cuisine.

 * The Coast Guard House, 40 Ocean Road, +1 401-789-0700. Available for weddings and receptions, this beach-front restaurant is open year round and has an outdoor deck open from April through October.

 * The Towers of Narragansett, 35 Ocean Road, +1401-782-2597. The third-story archway connecting the two towers overlooks the ocean. It is available for a variety of events such as weddings, receptions, birthdays, and anniversaries. Seats 180 comfortably.

 * North Beach Clubhouse, 79 Boston Neck Road, +1 401-782-0658. Located alongside the Narragansett Town Beach, this facility is open 7 days a week year-round for rental. Suited for all types of events and occasions.

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Talk:Narragansett in the Winter

Merge?
Along with several recently created itineraries, this article seems like a candidate for merging with Narragansett. In its present state the information in this article seems to mostly be duplicating content that is already, or should already be, in the main Narragansett article. Perhaps the author could clarify why this info should be called out separately, but otherwise I'd recommend merging. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:23, 8 March 2011 (EST)

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Talk:Narrow Road to the Deep North

Kudos
This is a great article! WTG, man. --(WT-en) Evan 22:38, 9 Feb 2005 (EST)

 * Ta. I followed a part of the route on my longer trip outside Tokyo and have pretty much been in love in Tohoku ever since. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:24, 9 Feb 2005 (EST)

Stages 1-2: Sugamo?
Section #Go reads that Basho went to Sōka by Sugamo, but that's not written in the text. Wasn't Basho's route to Nikko highway via a ferry town Senju as:
 * quote: Basho took a ferry across the Sumida river... unquote (Narrow Road to the Deep North in Japanese Wikipedia).

It puzzles me that you actually are not heading to Sendai, but going back toward the terminus, aprox. 4 km to Sugamo. Geologically, Sugamo is to the west of Fukagawa, the street Basho's home was in the Sumida river area, or the waterway you need to cross going up north toward Sendai. People would take a ferry to Senju on Nikko highway, a station town renowned as the last/first stop entertaining travelers. (NB: Basho relaxed at Senju to bid farewell to his fans/patrons: sources at Senju station and Basho on Japanese Wikipedia.)

Reaching Sugamo from Basho's home, he would have to climb up the cliff dividing the down town (Ueno-Yanaka) and up town, with his back towards the Deep North. Of course, detouring by Sugamo would be very natural if you would visit and bid farewell to your loved ones/Samurai elder, before starting a long journey. And Sugamo surely is on the Nikko highway, or Nikko Kaido, and its mere landmark of the first ri mound (ichiri-zuka) could have interested Basho...

"Stages 1-2: Sugamo (Tokyo)

Basho starts off from the traditional areas (shitamachi) of Edo, bidding farewell to Ueno and Yanaka — both well worth a visit." Omotecho (talk) 03:21, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Nashville

Please see the Archive for old talk topics.

Recent Additions/Thoughts
1) Considering adding subheadings to "See" and "Do" to further classify the activities. Considering subheadings: "Historic", "Country Music", "Outdoor", etc.

 * I changed some of the See and Do sections by adding subdivisions...what does everyone think about the indentations?--(WT-en) Matt Talk 18:07, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

 * Sounds good, please plunge forward! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:54, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

2) Do we really need all the colleges and schools listed under "Learn"? --(WT-en) Matt Talk 18:21, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

3) Why is the "haunting of the Opry" such a prominent part of the introduction? —The preceding comment was added by 74.119.169.9 (talk • contribs)
 * I moved it down to the opry section. —The preceding comment was added by 74.119.169.9 (talk • contribs)

Request Advice
I have been working on this article in bits and pieces over the past few weeks. I have added several things and changed the layout a bit. What else can I do? Where do you think this article needs shoring up? Thanks! --(WT-en) Matt Talk 18:43, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Everything seems to look very well organized and fleshed out to me. (WT-en) Will Fuqua 10:49, 15 November 2008 (EST)

Megabus stop
The Nashville Megabus bus stop changed on 1/1/13. It's now on Nolensville Pike between Windgrove Street and Moore Avenue. Updated the article to reflect this. —The preceding comment was added by 74.179.18.151 (talk • contribs)

Alternative banner for this article?

In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 06:44, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Yes, this one gives a better feeling of what Nashville is about ;) Jjtkk (talk) 07:39, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

 * I agree. I like the current banner, but the new one does represent more of the city. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:31, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

"Learn" section
Right now, the "Learn" section is the epitome of what we don't want a "Learn" section to be. Given that the main point of the "Learn" section is supposed to be to focus on places where visitors can take short non-matriculated courses lasting perhaps 3 weeks or less and avoid being a mere list, but that it might also make sense to mention the absolutely most famous and important institutions (although Vanderbilt could very comfortably fit in "See" as a tourist attraction), I think it's very clear that most of the list should go. What, other than Vanderbilt and the Tennessee Foreign Language Institute, if it offers short courses, should stay? In my opinion, Fisk University is a no-brainer to keep, because of its distinguished and important history. Austin Peay and Middle Tennessee State, though otherwise arguably worthy of listing, are not in Nashville and should go. I'm not sure hosting one 2008 presidential debate is a sufficient reason to continue to list Belmont. None of the other schools are familiar to me as a professor, but to be fair, I don't know the area that well. Should we delete all the rest of the listings, or are there, perhaps, some useful short courses at the community college or somewhere else? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:49, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

 * I went ahead and culled the non Nashville schools and shopping malls. I would have to say Belmont is well known in the mid-south.  Tennessee State is a historically black college and the largest state funded university in the city, but probably unknown outside of the local area.  Everything listed below TSU are very minor schools.  Schwaltz (talk) 00:25, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

 * And I went further and pulled out everything except the ESL school, as it's the only one which likely has short term classes a traveller could sign up for. If any of the others have something similar or need to be put in See, feel free to put them back in the article. Otherwise this stuff doesn't belong there at all. Texugo (talk) 02:36, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

 * Vanderbilt belongs in "See," without a doubt. I made a trip specially to visit it with no interest other than seeing the campus and soaking up the atmosphere. If no-one else makes a "See" listing out of it, I may do so eventually. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:48, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

 * Vanderbilt University, . Vanderbilt, home to just over 11,000 undergraduate and professional students, offers 66 major fields of study in the arts and sciences, engineering, music, education, and human development, as well as a full range of graduate and professional degrees. It also has a beautiful campus that is well worth visiting just to soak up the sights and atmosphere.
 * Belmont University, 1900 Belmont Blvd, +1 615 460-6000, . A private university offering undergraduate and graduate degree programs in over 65 different studies.  Belmont University hosted the United States Presidential Townhall debate on October 7th, 2008.
 * Fisk University, 1000 17th Ave N, +1 615 329-8500, . Fisk University has a long history.  It is a liberal arts college that was founded in 1866 to educate freed slaves and has since then seen many distinguished graduates.
 * Lipscomb University, Physical Address: 3901 Granny White Pike. Mailing Address: One University Park Drive, +1 615 966-1000, . Lipscomb University is a private coeducational Christian institution whose principal focus is undergraduate education in the liberal arts and sciences, combined with a number of pre-professional fields and master’s degree programs.
 * Tennessee State University, 3500 John A Merritt Blvd, +1 615 963-5000,.
 * Trevecca Nazarene University,.
 * Aquinas College, 4210 Harding Rd, +1 615 297-7545, . A private Catholic school with liberal arts and science curriculum.
 * Welch College, formerly Free Will Baptist Bible College, 3606 West End Ave, +1 615 844-5000, . Founded in 1942, Welch now enrolls around 350 students per year and offers them a number of degree programs.
 * Nashville State Community College,.
 * Strayer University,.
 * Nossi College of Art,.
 * The Art Institute of Tennessee- Nashville,.
 * Meharry Medical College,.
 * Volunteer State Community College,.
 * Watkins College of Art and Design,.
 * Lincoln College of Technology, formerly Nashville Auto-Diesel College.

Prepare for Dotm
This article looks good, but it's never been nominated for Dotm. Let's prepare it by doing things like fixing external links format and updating prices. Based on the climate chart, this would be a good place to feature during the months of April, May, September or October, and right now, we're lacking a consensus-choice Dotm for October.

If there's anything else you notice that needs work in this article, please mention it below. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:00, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

 * One question I'd have is, should there be any kind of "See" listing for Fisk University? It's very historically important, as a historically black college founded by W.E.B. Dubois. Jubilee Hall looks pretty but is one of only two of the university's buildings pictured on Commons and probably not worth a special trip. However, I'm wondering whether there's any museum somewhere on campus that exhibits some of the university's history. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:08, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

 * Another thing that should be done is to give the secondary airport listings descriptions. I count 5 secondary airports, plus what looks like a charter company. Are all those listings particularly useful for travelers to Nashville? Don't we just need one commercial airport and the closest one or two general aviation airports? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:59, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

 * Another problem: I don't understand the Gray Line listing. "Cost was $14 one-way." From where to where? Their rates page has a lot of entries! Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:03, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

 * OK, I did a fair amount of listifying, external links format fixing and detouting. But I could really use some help, especially from anyone who knows Nashville better than I do and/or has visited more recently than I. I was there once in 1997 or so. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:49, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

 * I've pruned the list of airports and cleaned up some of the listings. I've also adjusted the Gray Line description to be more meaningful. I visited Nashville for a few days earlier this year, and I'm happy to help, though I don't know how much knowledge I have beyond what can be found online. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:25, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Districts? An article for Downtown Nashville has been created today
An article, Nashville/Downtown appears to have been created a few minutes ago by. However, there has been no discussion about districts, so I'm bringing it up here. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:28, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The article was very unwieldy due to the large number of items, so it was ripe to be split. Antony-22 (talk) 08:40, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Only started this thread since it's standard practice to start a discussion, but are there any maps that the districts are based upon? If the districts are based off official municipal boundaries, then it is not too hard to get mapshapes from OSM, but such in huge cities are rare in the US. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:45, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Revert districts
It's been almost three weeks, and right now, I would now say this page is in a state of despair – from guide to outline, these sort of article status changes rarely happen.

These were done without discussion, and right now all these districts are at outline status with no clear boundaries set. I propose that content from all districts are to be merged back and Special:PermaLink/4451053 restored. To Antony-22 – 93,783 bytes is not "long" – many of our Buffalo districts alone are longer than that, and cities with populations lower than 1 million rarely get districts, and don't turn out to be very successful unless it's properly done with extensive local knowledge like how Buffalo, Canberra (if I say that myself...) or Washington, D.C..

I'm going to revert the districts soon, and I'll give it a week or two but I've never been to Nashville before, and were I to visit it (I would love to visit Tennessee and the Great Smoky Mountains one day and when I do, I'd certainly make a quick visit to Nashville), it's obvious that Special:PermaLink/4451053 is way more useful to travelers than Special:PermaLink/4456341 the current version; Special:PermaLink/4462583. , based on the above discussion, since both of you have visited Nashville, I was wondering if both of you know enough about the city to make a judgment on whether the districts are beneficial at this point, and should the districts be reverted and the article restored to Special:PermaLink/4456341? Opinions really appreciated. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:31, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

 * I was in Nashville for like 2 1/2 days in 1998, I think. Suffice it to say, I have no real input to give on districts. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:36, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I spent a similar amount of time in Nashville (though more recently than 1998). No strong opinions about the districts. In general I prefer keeping city articles together where feasible, to save readers having to click through more articles unless necessary. I wouldn't call the current article "a state of despair", though certainly a bit of tidying up and longer summaries for the key sections are needed if the district division stays. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:55, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The article as it existed was much too long to navigate comfortably. With 148 markers, it's hard to sort out what's in what part of the city.  I visited Nashville two weeks ago and I split it for that reason.  The current article is still a usable overview.  It could use some improvement, but the collection of articles as a whole is in a much better state than it was before.  Antony-22 (talk) 06:09, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The problem is, on this site, a city is either in a single article or completely divided into districts. Plunging forward to create only one district article, while motivated by helping people, makes a bit of a mess of this site's breadcrumb navigation. So therefore, what is your proposal for a complete districtification of this city? Name the districts and give boundaries and an estimate of the total number of listings in each one. Thanks a lot! Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:39, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Antony-22: all I have to respond to "too long to navigate comfortably" is, seriously? (no, seriously, how is that "too long") For what it's worth, 18 see listings and 31 do listings is not a lot and probably what you can expect for cities of this kind while if we're talking about eat and sleep listings, 28 is ideal for eat (and is perfect IMO) while 35 is also reasonable for sleep.
 * Districts don't get created unilaterally, and right now, I find it hard to believe that "collection of articles as a whole is in a much better state than it was before". All of the districts are at outline status, and you've just made a guide article an outline article. None of the new district articles have a clear defined boundary, and I won't support the districts until there is a map made (either static or dynamic is fine), and while I do have the skills to make a good dynamic map, I'm not going to make it, and that won't change. Period. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:33, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Antony-22 created four district articles, not just one, and they seem to cover all of the city's listings.
 * Let's focus on which structure is more useful for travellers, rather than on the statuses, which are ultimately just Wikivoyage's own internal system. As far as I can tell, the district articles are all close to "usable" status; most of them just need a "Get in" section. —Granger (talk · contribs) 11:14, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Very true indeed. However, without a map clearly defining the boundaries, a reader who has no idea about Nashville will likely get lost in trying to find out where the districts are (though the names are a bit self-explanatory in this case, but still). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:25, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Now that I've had a quick look at the district articles, my reaction is that the good news is that all of them have an adequate number of listings to merit being district articles. But it's absolutely essential to define boundaries between them; otherwise, it's impossible for a city map showing the different districts to be created and it's impossible for editors to know which listings belong in which articles. So Antony-22, now that you've leapt before looking, so to speak, you need to get back to us within 2 days or so with complete information on where the boundaries should be, or it will be necessary to revert your work. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:16, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem. Downtown is everything within the inner freeway loop (which is parts of I-24, 40, and 65), and Midtown includes everything within the next freeway loop to the southwest (I-40, 440, and 65).  West and East Nashville are everything outside these, divided along I-65.   When I'm visiting a large city, I'm usually spending each day in a certain neighborhood and want to see everything of every category in that neighborhood together.  When such a large number of items are jumbled up, the article is unusable for that purpose.  Antony-22 (talk) 22:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, but do you have a map? A reader who knows nothing about Nashville will have no idea where the boundaries are, and as I've mentioned before, I'm not making an interactive map. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:55, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * We should be able to recruit someone to make a map. Even without a map, terms like downtown, eastern, and western are pretty easy to recognize what location they refer to.  I'll sit down and create lead paragraphs and Get In sections at some point in the next week; that will get all four district articles up to usable or guide status.  Antony-22 (talk) 04:40, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Requests for maps is probably your best bet for recruiting someone to draw a map, but the reality is, barely anyone now knows how to draw a static map. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:20, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It's been more than three months and no progress. Time to revert? SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 06:47, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * And as I said earlier, I will not be making a map (static nor dynamic) for something that was done unilaterally. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 06:49, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Just so I don't sound like I'm going to revert the districts whenever I want, I'm going put the deadline at September 1 – 3.5 months since May 19 when the first district was created. That's more than enough time to properly districtify a city. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 03:19, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * As I said on Aug 15, it's September 3 now and these districts have now been merged. Nashville really could've been a high-quality districtified city but instead, it was left as an outline article that almost had no info on what to see and do for 3.5 months. I've now changed the article status to guide. If anyone thinks I was overly hasty, Antony-22 was given 3.5 months or 107 days to be precise, but chose not to do anything about it.
 * Nonetheless, I've still maintained a geographical distinction and if it's ever decided that Nashville will need districts, the content is still there, but I stand by my remark – I will never make a map (neither static nor dynamic) for a city that was unilaterally districtified, nor will I even make the slightest effort to help. Feel free to make a Wikivoyage-style map but if you do need any help, no matter whoever asks me, I will not help. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 23:55, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Nashville/Archive

Old Talk
I'm one of those few "Native Nashvillians" who stuck it out through all of the influxes of folks who want to be "Country Music Stars." I grew up in Belleview, a suburb of N'ville (a decent area to buy a house if you're looking for resale value). As far as restaurants go, I reccommend SUNSET GRILL if you wanna rub shoulders w/ the stars, or MAGNOLIA GRILL for excellent fine dining. Check out the LOVELESS CAFE for breakfast, but come early! Another option is THE PANCAKE PANTRY on 21st. For decent local entertainment, (not pop-country, real country and/or rock) try TOOTSIE'S ORCHID LOUNGE, WOLFY'S TAVERN OR ROBERT'S WESTERN WEAR for country and Bluegrass (all located on broadway) or THE SPRINGWATER or THE EXIT/IN for rock. There are plenty of places to hear music in Nashvegas, it's best to grab a NASHVILLE SCENE weekly paper and look for yourself. I can give you advice if you need, just email MYDOGISLOKI@HELL.COM and use "NASHVILLE QUESTIONS" as the subject line.

Why is Grand Old Opry not mentioned and discussed in detail here? Or at least linked to if it's described on another page? It's on the United States page.--(WT-en) Justfred 23:25, 28 September 2006 (EDT)

 * This has been fixed -(WT-en) Huckabmm 12:38, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Are there any pictures wanted for this article? If so, please email me at braden524@bellsouth.net with "Nashville Pictures" for the subject. I live in Franklin, so it should be pretty easy for me to get some pictures. Just let me know.

--(WT-en) Travlin braden 23:04, 12 November 2006 (EST)

 * Of course! Feel free to go ahead and upload any photographs you have to Wikivoyage Shared, our central image depository.  All images will have to be available in the public domain or licensed under the Creative Commons ShareAlike license (Full text of CC-by-SA 1.0). -- (WT-en) Sapphire 23:09, 12 November 2006 (EST)

 * I uploaded a skyline picture and a picture of the capitol building. I'll probably get some more up this weekend, if there are pictures of a certain place you would like, let me know. (WT-en) Travlin braden 18:31, 13 November 2006 (EST)

I'm travelling to Nashville in January for a weekend with a friend and we're looking for any great tips on restaurants, bars, etc. I know there is a lot to offer to Nashville, so any personal ideas and thoughts would be great. Feel free to leave me wiki comments on my talk page or here :)

(WT-en) Missvain 12:43, 16 December 2006 (EST)

Do we really need to list all the local radio stations? (WT-en) Maj 11:52, 9 January 2007 (EST)

I don't know why Memphis is placed in the Get Out section, it's not that close by. And I think (but I'm not sure) that Get Out is for close by areas. (WT-en) Travlin braden 17:06, 7 February 2007 (EST)
 * I'll take a look, but the proper thing to do in those situations is to plunge forward and fix it. -- (WT-en) Jonboy 11:30, 8 February 2007 (EST)
 * It is no longer there --(WT-en) Huckabmm 12:49, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Cope

I believe that section, as well as quite a large bit of this article, has some fatal political bias in it. Now, I don't know about readership of this particular wiki, but I believe this should be edited to take out all bias. (WT-en) Kailyn Leto 14:30, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Agreed, I'll look into it --(WT-en) Huckabmm 12:49, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

I just wanted to point out a few things that are missing: The Schermerhorn Center is now home to the Nashville Symphony. Loveless and Monell's are must-visit restaurants.

Paul Killebrew

 * Added Monell's (WT-en) Huckabmm 23:13, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Natchez Trace Parkway

Natchez Trace & 600 Antebellum mansions in Natchez, MS

 * Unsure & Delete. The Natchez Trace looks like a pretty straightforward itinerary topic, but is someone planning to write it? And, if not, are we willing to keep the article as is? I think 600 Antebellum mansions in Natchez, MS is a pretty clear "merge & delete" case, (merge to Natchez) but I figured I'd list it here alongside the first vfd. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:55, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I've deleted the mansions article, but Natchez Trace certainly could be a viable itinerary. I'd say keep. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:08, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Natchitoches

Hey, where should we put a bit about dates and information on the Christmas festival? It definetly needs much more information than already exists on there, for sure. Perhaps it should be placed in it's own section? Some definite visitor figures would be great, since I'm not one for putting rough estimates out there. All I know it that whenever Christmas festival time came, I went one circle deeper into pedestrian hell, and just walking across the street to get my Saturday morning coffee was a headache.

 * See Project:Where you can stick it. -- (WT-en) Colin 19:06, 13 March 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Nathon

TAT Listings
Moved some TAT listings that cluttered the main page here for future reference.

Chai Thale (ชายทะเล) 152 Mu 3 Na Thon, Ko Samui (Tel: 0 7742 0237), 24 rooms: 400-700 baht Chao Ko Bungalow (ชาวเกาะบังกะโล) 29/4 Mu 3 Tambon Ang Thong, Na Thon, Ko Samui (Tel: 0 7742 1157, 0 7742 1214), 20 rooms: 200-500 baht Damrong Town Hotel (ดำรงทาวน์โฮเต็ล) 349/6 Mu 3 Hat Na Thon, Ko Samui (Tel: 0 7742 0471), 30 rooms: 500-1,200 baht
 * Wangbua Home Guesthouse (บ้านวังบัว) 212/7 Mu 3 Na Thon, Ko Samui (Tel: 0 7742 0976, 0 7742 0977), 22 rooms: 400-1,000 baht, Web Site: http://www.wangbua-e.co.cc/
 * Sea View Hotel (ซีวิวโฮเต็ล) 175/4 Mu 3 Hat Na Thon, Ko Samui (Tel: 0 7742 1481), 17 rooms: 300–480 baht
 * Win Hotel (วินโฮเต็ล) 366 Mu 3 Hat Na Thon, Ko Samui (Tel: 0 7742 1500-1), 33 rooms: 450 baht
 * Four Seasons Resort Koh Samui- Super expensive but oh so good. Rates start at around 680 USD a night in the low season.

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 11:56, 20 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Nathu La

Nathu La
Does not appear to be anything more than a mountain pass, which shouldn't get its own article. (WT-en) Texugo 02:13, 8 December 2008 (EST)

 * This is an interesting one. I'm not sure what to do with it, but this makes for interesting reading. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:35, 8 December 2008 (EST)

 * How about making it a disambiguation page, noting to check out Gangtok if traveling from India to China, and then whatever Chinese town you come from to get there if crossing into India – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 04:00, 8 December 2008 (EST)

 * Redirect to Gangtok. This is an attraction (of sorts...), not a destination, and it is the next step along the slippery slope down which we started with Panmunjeom.  However, it's also high profile (like Panmunjeom), so having it accessible via search benefits the traveler, so redirect rather than delete. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 13:04, 8 December 2008 (EST)

 * Actually that's better, I forgot that it's not open to tourists for crossing, it's only for import/export purposes, so indeed, an attraction, but can't cross there – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 00:03, 9 December 2008 (EST)

 * Yes, redirect. We actually have a few articles on passes including some I started: Khyber Pass, Khunjerab Pass (a redirect) Bolan Pass (deleted once, but someone re-created it), and several I had nothing to do with: Hamta Pass, Salang Pass, Snoqualmie Pass, Crowsnest Pass, Three Pagodas Pass. I'd say any well-known pass is a possible search term. A few, like the Kyhber, might qualify as regions. The others should all be redirects. (WT-en) Pashley 07:05, 9 December 2008 (EST)

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Talk:National Capital Region (Canada)

How important is the NCR from a travel perspective? The article for Embrun (Ontario) says that it's technically in the NCR, but is treated as if it were just another part of Eastern Ontario. If that's the case, do we need an article for the NCR as a separate entity, or are the articles for Ottawa and Prescott-Russell sufficient to cover these areas? We don't need to create another level of geographic hierarchy and an article for it just because the government did. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 17:26, 26 July 2006 (EDT)
 * I think the regional designation is useful for treating Ottawa and Gatineau as a unified city; beyond that, I agree with you. (WT-en) Padraic 10:40, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
 * This page should be moved to Ottawa-Hull or Ottawa-Gatineau. The only entity which uses "national capital region" as a name for this is the federal government.
 * Wikivoyage also needs to make a long-overdue decision as to whether this is a huge city with districts (Ottawa, Gatineau, Kanata, Manotick or rural Ottawa...) or whether it's a small lumber village which can be treated as a single-level entity (merging the inexplicably-separate Kanata page, a non-notable suburb, into the main Ottawa article).
 * Ottawa-Gatineau is a little awkward as it's a major city (it used to be the fourth-largest metropolitan area, before it was surpassed by Cowgary circa-2006) — and yet it is divided by a provincial boundary. That makes it hard to fit into WV's structure, which seems to expect destinations to be aligned within regional and provincial boundaries. 204.237.49.108 20:43, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Correct. It doesn't fit into Wikivoyage's breadcrumb navigation structure, so that's why this is an extra-region article. Are you suggesting that this is a completely useless article, or that it should be renamed?
 * The standard of whether to district a city on Wikivoyage or not begins with the consideration of whether the existing city article is too long to be manageable. I don't think Ottawa is. A secondary consideration is whether listings would be relatively evenly distributed among the different district articles. If you believe Ottawa needs districting, please start a thread on the Talk:Ottawa page, proposing the names and boundaries of the districts and estimating the total number of listings (See, Do, Buy, Eat, Drink, Sleep) that would be in each district. I'm skeptical, but I'd hear out a proposal.
 * Kanata is not that short an article, so it's not obvious to me that it should be merged with Ottawa, and merging it would increase the size of the Ottawa article, which contradicts any impulse behind districting that city. That said, if you feel strongly about merging and redirecting Kanata to Ottawa, make a proposal on Talk:Kanata, explaining why it's important to take that step, and see if you can get a consensus behind you. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:47, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

 * I'm from Ottawa. I'd say keep both the NCR & Kanata articles. The region matters because things like government offices & museums are on both sides of the river, & there's a federally funded National Capital Commission that has roads & parks throughout the area. Kanata is a fair distance from the city & somewhat distinct. Pashley (talk) 02:38, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Cities and destinations
I've formatted the cities and other destinations in a more typical way that (I think) more clearly shows what the national capital region looks like, despite being parts of two distinct provinces.

Hopefully the re-formatting isn't seen as a change to the structure of this extra-region, but it does reveal a few anomalies. Kanata is now emphasized a little bit less now, in brackets after Ottawa, instead of being noted as the most prominent "other town" with its own marker. This makes the map a little bit cleaner, and also works well from the traveller's perspective- I think most people specifically choosing Kanata as their destination know that it's technically/geographically part of Ottawa, despite being quite distinct. Others probably end up there for business/hockey/accommodations, but as a suburb of Ottawa. It's listed with Carp, which was mentioned further down, but not linked.

I've also expanded the list of other destinations, based on towns that were/are mentioned in this article, and towns that link (or allude) to this region. The new list looks like a big change to the extra-region, but it's making the existing, sometimes implicit, relationship between these places more clear.

Quebec: Ontario: Gregsmi11 (talk) 13:58, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Added Chelsea, outside Gatineau, but serves Gatineau Park with the visitor centre, cottages, restaurants, and the spa complex. Chelsea's article already provides focuses on getting in from defunct Hull, Gatineau, and Ottawa, but it could use a link to the national capital region.
 * Kept Gatineau Park - obviously not a town, but it's a large part of the region. The heading is "Other destinations", so I think it works here. Its article already links to the national capital region. It's shaded on the map, but not listed as a region, intending to show the odd shape that connects it to the other points listed.
 * Added Montebello, a bit further away from Gatineau, but already describes itself as on the edge of the region. Its article already links to the national capital region.
 * Kept Wakefield, it's article talks about being close to Ottawa, but does not yet link to the national capital region.
 * Kept Calabogie. Its article mentions the "Ottawa-Hull capital region", instead of linking here.
 * Embrun and Russell are "sister" communities that form one administrative township in the offline world. On WV Embrun is described as part of the capital region, while Russell links to the region to say that it is not part of the region, despite being closer to Ottawa than Embrun. Embrun is mentioned further down in the region article, but not previously listed as a destination.

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Talk:National Grid (Britain)

I think this article is poorly titled for the following reasons:
 * 1) The title National Grid could also refer to a country's electric power distribution system, not maps, I would have thought.
 * 2) The word map should be in the title.
 * 3) Mapping co-ordinate systems is a travel topic that is general to the world. Having an article specific to one country may mean information common to all mapping reference systems is duplicated or lost.
 * 4) Map references or Geographic co-ordinates may be better titles. Perhaps even Geospatial mapping systems or even simply Maps may be more informative and less obscure.

 * (WT-en) Huttite 08:09, 11 Jun 2004 (EDT)

 * I agree, something needs to change about this to make it more generally useful. (WT-en) Majnoona 12:23, 11 Jun 2004 (EDT)

 * As far as Huttite's points 1&2 are concerned, I fully agree. In fact I had the same realisation just after I saved it, and was/am still pondering a new title. As you probably realise, this is still work in progress and unlinked from anywhere other than my user page.

 * As far as making it more general, I'm not sure. My motivation for creating the article was twofold; firstly I felt that travellers to the UK would likely come across uk grid references and may not understand them; secondly I felt the need to include grid references in some UK articles (especially where dealing with out-of-city attractions) and I wanted an article to link to to explain these.

 * Whilst the principles of a grid reference system are the same, the actual implementation details do vary. If I were just to describe the principles, then the result would be of no great practical use to the traveller, and would in any case duplicate a perfectly good article on wikipedia (WikiPedia:Grid_Reference). If I were to try and cover the detail of each system, then I would end up with something very cumbersome. And of course the co-ordinate system that is perhaps most used (lat/long) is based on different principles, adding more complexity to such an article.

 * Other than in Britain and Ireland, I'm not sure how widely used grid reference systems are. Certainly as a traveller myself I've not noticed them, but I don't know whether that is because they don't exist, or because they are less generally used, or because I've been unobservant. Do you know of other countries with widely used grid systems?.

 * Perhaps a solution would be to have a general article on co-ordinate systems (with a practical 'for travellers' viewpoint, rather than a technical one that IMHO belongs on WikiPedia) linking to specific articles for specific systems (eg. LatLong/UK grid/Irish grid/etc).

 * Thoughts?. -- (WT-en) Chris j wood 08:28, 12 Jun 2004 (EDT)

 * I know there is a New Zealand Map Grid reference system, and I presume one for Australia as well as Canada and USA at least. I suspect there is one for most countries. I agree that WikiPedia is the right place for an article that describes the principles of how Map Grids are derived. However an article that generally explains how to use map grid references and specific notes for each country that has one would be useful for Wikivoyagers.

 * I now think that an article called Map grid references is probably a good general title. The words British and National should not be used for various political reasons (see the countries talk pages), though United Kingdom and Ireland is probably acceptable as a country specific heading. Thus United Kingdom and Ireland map grid references would be a better title for this specific article.

 * Although I think this article could be generalised, a country specific article is a good start. Once it is written, others may be inspired to write similar articles for their countries. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:39, 13 Jun 2004 (EDT)

Travel topic?
Is this article a travel topic? ~ 61.91.191.11 06:35, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

Rename?
Still unresolved after over a decade and a half since initial discussion. "National Grid" is an electricity company, National Grid plc. This article refers to Ordnance Survey National Grid and should be named accordingly or similarly. Perhaps "British Ordnance Survey Maps". Nelson Ricardo (talk) 03:26, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

 * I don't think readers of a travel guide are going to expect an article about either the company, or the UK electricity transmission network in general. This is not an encyclodedia. AlasdairW (talk) 21:00, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I support changing the name to a title that avoids the above confusion. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 22:24, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Propose rename
National_Grid_(Britain) → Navigating in the UK.

The thinking here is that this could be expanded to provide more information on various OS Maps. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:01, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

 * The other thinking is that other topics could be written for navigation and mapping issues in other regions, like for example USGS maps in the US for example?

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:01, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

 * Link: Talk:National Grid (Britain).--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:31, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

 * "Navigating in the UK" might be a bit broad-brush if the focus is going to be on OS maps and particularly grid references. I would suggest "Grid references in Great Britain" / "...in Britain and Ireland" (the OS only covers GB + Isle of Man; the island of Ireland has its own grid reference system, and I'm not sure about the Channel Islands).

 * But does this really need an article? Granted, it's unfinished, but it has been in that state since 2008. Could the information not be incorporated into either the United Kingdom/Britain and Ireland articles, or into Walking in the United Kingdom? Perhaps naively, I think the existence of What3Words and widespread mobile signal coverage make grid references almost redundant.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:44, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * When this article was started in 2004, it would have been quite useful to include National Grid references in a listing in a rural UK article. Now it would be better to include lat/long, so that it appeared on the map. Today I would carry a paper OS map if I was going for a full day walk in open country, but wouldn't bother if I was just following a path to something near the road.
 * Either merge this into Walking in the United Kingdom, or expand it to cover the grid systems used in other countries (I have used similar maps with grids in the US, Australia and New Zealand). Move it to Navigating in the UK if you want to explain other UK navigation tricks like using postcodes with a car GPS system. AlasdairW (talk) 21:16, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This discussion seemed to have fizzled out. Should this be moved to Navigating in the United Kingdom? ? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:39, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I would support moving to Navigating in the United Kingdom (or similar). Some of the possible additions:
 * Using UK postcodes for navigation.
 * UK street naming and numbering conventions
 * Using natural features for navigation
 * What 3 words app.
 * I am busy at the moment, so it may take some time before I can make any additions. AlasdairW (talk) 22:57, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I would as original proposer support moving to Navigating (in) the United Kingdom. Use of postcodes for SatNav, amartphone apps is also common place.
 * I could also consider relocating some of the stuff about road-numbering I put in Driving in the United Kingdom.
 * I was also taught some urban navigation tips, like pubs (although less useful as pub closures have happened), transport hubs and so on :).  In rural areas, you also need to know how to avoid 'bad' routes.  Trees and telecom lines aren't marked on most standard maps, but they are useful...
 * ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:30, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Nature Park Bulgarka

So, what do you think? (WT-en) RobertSullivan1973 08:59, 7 January 2011 (EST)

 * Hi Robert. I've left some comments about what might possibly be added to the article on your talk page. – (WT-en) Vidimian 11:05, 7 January 2011 (EST)

Featured article?
Is this article ready to nominate at Dotm? Or is anything missing? /Yvwv (talk) 17:32, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The hotel listings are dated "January 2011". Are any of these hotels still open? We should feature articles that have more up-to-date information. Ground Zero (talk) 17:43, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Naturism

Nude beaches near New York City
This page was deleted per vfd, but the discussion is copied here for reference:

So this doesn't seem to be an article (Project:What is an article?) or really much of a travel topic. The more general Naturism does make sense to me as a travel topic. So here's what I think should happen: Any other opinions on how to handle this? -- (WT-en) Colin 15:04, 2 Jun 2005 (EDT)
 * each beach should be part of some article. A short commentary about whether nudity is permissible is appropriate.  The beaches should not be segregated into a single article.  Failing to do this is a slippery slope (e.g. Nude beaches near Miami etc.).
 * the Naturism article should probably be more general like discussing particular getaways such as pointers to Naturist resorts in particular countries or generally state that some beaches in the US permit nudity either by explicit permission or by tolerance of discrete nudity.

 * I agree but am also not sure of how to handle this. It's not really much of an itinerary either... (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:02, 2 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * When I copyedited this page I felt that most of the article move to articles about Fire island and the other beaches that are mentioned. However, I do not know enough about this part of New York to really do it justice, yet. Atleast with the informationall sitting here it is in one place, ready to be split up. Perhaps list as an article needing attention? Or make it a disambiguation page? -- (WT-en) Huttite 09:53, 7 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Doesn't this article kind of fall under itineraries in Project:Other ways of seeing travel? -- bh 13:20, 9 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * Naturism does, But not mere lists of places.  I'd rather not segregate the beaches into article lists but rather incorporate them into their usual articles.  It's kinda like Traveling with families.  It's good to have an article that suggests you look at city parks as places to expunge childrens energy during travel.  It's even helpful to comment on where you might generally find such parks in various countries.  Individual location articles might mention the exact location of a city park and how good it is.  But a list of Child friendly parks near New York City is a bad idea. -- (WT-en) Colin 13:56, 9 Jun 2005 (EDT)

 * I do not think this article is another way of seeing travel. Unlike Big things in Australia, which crosslinks a whole lot of small places with big things in them for people to see; or an itinery, which orders a lot of destinations in a travelling route;  this article contains a mishmash of destinations with advice about each. These destinations each need to be created as a stub article. Take out the specific information and you are left with a little list of place-names that could move to a New York article regional about beaches and a legal note that could move to Naturism under New York nudity laws. -- (WT-en) Huttite 04:46, 10 Jun 2005 (EDT)

this was my first contribution to wikivoyage. it's unfortunate how negative the response was. encouragement would be nice. of course it should be changed/merged whatever but there is so little info here to merge it with. why not let articles grow organically a bit before killing them (WT-en) Bhny 01:20, 14 Oct 2005 (EDT)

 * Thanks for your contributions! I really do think there is a place here for some of the info, just not as a region-specifc categorical list.  It's not that we don't appreciate the effort, but rather that it's a slippery slope which leads to all kinds of possible "lists of X in region", and rather than "let things grow" we like to fix broken windows.  So here's my constructive suggestions for you -- pehaps some of them would interest you:
 * Enhance Naturism with more info about the topic, worldwide attitudes, good places for travel, and so forth.
 * Include information about NY nudity laws in New York (state)
 * Perhaps write an Itinerary through somewhere that is Naturism-focused. For example, include popular beaches or locales, but also include historic beaches or places where events took place.  Sort of a learn-more-through-travel approach.
 * I understand your frustration -- I really wish there were room for more info about city parks for kids when travelling. But I've come to realize that, much though I want it, it's not really within the focus of Wikivoyage.
 * -- (WT-en) Colin 01:57, 14 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Redirect Nudism
I hope someone can arrange for "Nudism", which is a widely understood word, to redirect to the entry for Naturism.

A recent edit by Hobbitschuster
I'm afraid I don't understand [//en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Naturism&diff=next&oldid=3021412 this edit] by User:Hobbitschuster. It seems like a restaurant at which one could dine nude would absolutely be of interest to naturist travelers. What am I missing? Powers (talk) 01:19, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I am sorry for only responding right now. I think this whole article needs a lot of work and we might wish to agree whether it should contain individual listings (the thing in question should be a listing but has no link or anything). The way it was formulated made it not entirely clear what the restaurant's deal is and I may have jumped the gun thinking it is just a regular hotel tacked onto a swimming pool (the way "Therme" is used in German means its a glorified municipal swimming pool). If the website were linked we could check the situation... Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:04, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree that a decision should be made about whether or not to include specific establishments, and this establishment in particular. It just seemed odd to remove one of the list of amenities. Would you consider adding it back in until we have those larger discussions? Powers (talk) 21:14, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Currently all I know about the place is what the website says. The way I read the website, the restaurant has nothing to do with naturism and is thus at best incidental to this article. Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:16, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It's not so much about the restaurant as it is about making it clear that the resort includes dining facilities. The ability to spend all of one's time at the resort and not have to go off-resort (clothed) to eat seems like vital information to me. Powers (talk) 20:49, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Hodgepodge of spellings
Whatever the opinions held on WV:Spelling may be, can we please not willy-nilly switch the spelling within the same article? Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:21, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * You're the one who keeps changing things? If an EU or Commonwealth point has English spelling, it should be left that way. K7L (talk) 10:05, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The entire article should - safe for proper names - use one spelling consistently. Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:46, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * We usually only do that for city articles (which don't cross international boundaries) and then only when trying to promote them to star level (ie: Singapore). Repeatedly (and pointlessly) changing Australian listings from English spelling to Americanisms for no good reason in travel topics isn't getting us any closer to making a travel guide and is not helpful. K7L (talk) 21:11, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, what? Which travel topic do we have where spelling are intentionally inconsistent? Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:44, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Links for Australia
While there are links to all destinations for most countries (except for redundant links), there are none at all for Australia. Would somebody be able to add them? I suppose few beaches have articles of their own, but links to a city article where the beach (or whatever) in question is described would be needed. If we don't have articles on any nearby towns, we need a link to higher up in the hierarchy, where hopefully the place can be mentioned. Otherwise, either we should include at least some directions over here or delete the bullet. I suppose names like Sandy Bay or Long Beach aren't unique, so somebody doing a web search could end up in the wrong place. –LPfi (talk) 08:49, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Some of these places aren't official, but are extremely common. The one that I see the most are in Little Congwong. But FYI, people do go out for a nude run in the beaches in the South Coast, often attracting one visitor a day. And since 2017, Victoria has banned this, so hence my removal. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:56, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

 * It would be good to tell about the nude on a remote beach thing, and perhaps other things about the common culture, cf the lead on Finland. The point in listing individual places is that a reader should be able to identify it, go there and know how to behave. Any listing that does not allow that is useless. –LPfi (talk) 12:57, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

 * The issue remains: out of 35 beaches, there are links for nine and descriptions for two. Could somebody please add the destination links, markers and descriptions. The intro says nudity is explicitly allowed on some of these beaches, but there is no hint on what beaches this applies to. And in absence of links, a non-regular just has to do a internet search for the name and location. They can end up in the wrong place (as many names are ambiguous), and won't know what beaches it is worthwhile to search for, other than if hey recognise the place name. –LPfi (talk) 13:46, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Now we got some links to an external site. They are against External links but better than nothing. Do we have anybody with an interest in the Australian list, who could check the listings, link them in some sensible way and remove the ones not useful for the traveller? –LPfi (talk) 10:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The many links to the nudemap.com site definitely violate External links. Wikivoyage is a travel guide, and does not provide links to promote other travel guides. "External links should point to primary sources. For example: the official tourist office or government website for a destination...." Why should this article not follow the policy established by the Wikivoyage community?
 * In travel topic articles, detailed information on beaches should be in the destination articles, and the travel topic article should link to the Wikivoyage article for the destination. Linking to another guide is just a shortcut to avoid the work  building a travel guide here in Wikivoyage. Ground Zero (talk) 11:27, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * True. I did the work for one beach, using that source. But I am inclined to delete all of the list unless somebody is prepared to make the list useful. The external links would go at the same time, but until then I leave them, to provide info for somebody who wants to do the work. Feel free to delete them yourself though. –LPfi (talk) 11:52, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not much interested in working on this article. I am interested I making sure that Wikivoyage doesn't become a "link farm" for other sites. Thanks to User:Ibaman for doing the deletions. Ground Zero (talk) 12:31, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

transwiki?
6639690 only has Wikipedia sitelinks right now, but the English encyclopedia article has a tag at the top warning that this looks like a directory, which is out of scope for Wikipedia. Might Wikivoyage not be a better host for the content (while keeping in mind WV:EL as discussed above)? — Arlo Barnes (talk) 20:51, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

 * Q6639690 is called "list of social nudity places in North America". I'd say Avoid long lists. I am not sure how to develop this article to avoid that. Or is it OK that this article is a long list? I think it is more or less impossible to keep a list striving to be more or less complete up to date (or manageable at all). Should the places be listed in the destination articles instead (or at region level) with the general information in country articles? At least beach destinations should have a sentence or two in Do/Beaches about clothing expectations, along information on fees, amenities etc. –LPfi (talk) 04:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Nauru

New banner
I've just cropped some. It'd also be nice to pick a banner to go into the Nauruan phrasebook SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:22, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * +2 SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:26, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

 * 0 is still best, and I don't really think any of the others come close. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:20, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The original file of 4 is a featured image on Commons SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:28, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The current banner is excellent, so I vote not to change the banner right now. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 10:44, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * on another note, which one would suit the Nauruan phrasebook? Unfortunately all the images of signs, buildings or anything with text on Commons is in English. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:49, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Navajo Nation

"[I]t is illegal to transport original artifacts and artwork off of the reservation." Possibly true, possibly false, depending on whether "artwork" is deemed modified by "original," but in any event, it is grossly inaccurate to refer to Navajo weavings and pottery as "replicas." It's entirely possible and legal to buy the real items, as long as they are of recent origin -- in fact entirely authentic Navajo rugs are a major source of income on the Big Rez, and "replicas" of same, from outside the reservation, are the artisans' bane. I'll fix this when I get a minute. (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:27, 9 Sep 2005 (EDT)

 * Update: it's fixed. Please read and comment. (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 15:26, 10 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Neato
Nice article! I'm glad to see this area covered. (WT-en) Majnoona 22:59, 24 April 2006 (EDT)

Ecchhh!
Jani, did you really have to put that photo up? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:10, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Don't blame me for putting the photo up, blame the Navajo for putting the building up... and the dreamcatcher that looks like a smiley with a top hat and a Hitler moustache. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:38, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Well, it certainly provides incentive to put up a better image. :-P That's not exactly a dreamcatcher, but the idea works... -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:04, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
 * How about a nice image of Shiprock as the new lead photo ? (WT-en) WineCountryInn 08:06, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Travel topic?
This discussion is based on a comment Texugo made over at Project:Votes for deletion, who expressed concern that the Navajo Nation article was a form of overlap with the other regional articles (Northwest New Mexico, Southwestern Colorado, Northern Arizona, Canyon Country), which violates one of our policies.

So what I'd like to propose is turning this article into a travel topic, along the same lines as Colorado's Wine Country or the New Mexico Pueblos article I'm currently building. In many ways it already has the feel of a travel topic, such as in the Buy, Eat, and Drink sections. Making it a travel topic would not be a hard task, and should alleviate any concerns about overlap. (WT-en) PerryPlanet Talk 21:10, 3 February 2009 (EST)

 * I think this is a really good idea, and should be extended to other natural regions that for one reason or other stand outside of our geographical hierarchy (e.g., Appalachian Mountains, Great Lakes, Alps, etc.). To get that started, all that's really needed is to start adding traveltopic tags to the articles in question. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:24, 3 February 2009 (EST)

 * I've opened a discussion on this topic at Wikivoyage_talk:Geographical_hierarchy. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:24, 3 February 2009 (EST)
 * I'm opposed. Navajo Nation "feels" more like a region, to those traveling in it, than most of the "regions" in which it resides.  Our rules need to be flexible enough to account for outliers like this.  However, let's see what the discussion over there turns up. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 01:10, 4 February 2009 (EST)

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Talk:Navassa Island

Headings
Shouldn't we just delete all these inapplicable headings ?

-- (WT-en) Beardo 17:14, 20 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * See Project:Article templates - "If there are sections of the template that don't really fit your destination, well, just leave them out." Note that if you do remove one of the standard headings it helps to leave a note on the talk page saying why that heading is inappropriate so that other people don't re-add it later. -- (WT-en) Ryan 17:29, 20 Feb 2006 (EST)

I have taken out :

Work
If some-one can think of things that should go there, please put them back.

-- (WT-en) Beardo 06:37, 8 March 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Naxos

We usually try to avoid negative reviews so I just wanted to double check the following. Could someone add some details as to a)why this fits under one of the exceptions and b)why it's not recommended? Thanks (WT-en) Majnoona 22:00, 11 July 2006 (EDT)

Moto Falcon bike rental shop is not recommended!

Removing commercial mentions
You won't get too far in a travel guide without mentioning some commercial establishments. I've rolled back an edit that removed mentions of businesses. Some of the discussions here are inappropriate, but they need to be edited, not deleted. --(WT-en) Evan 15:25, 13 December 2006 (EST)

 * I've done the same again today. --(WT-en) Evan 12:14, 3 March 2007 (EST)

There is now a line by an anonymous user that warns readers of some entries of commercial establishments being added by the businesses themselves. Evan, is this page becoming too commercial, and if so, how can we make it more objective? Cheers! Marq

Quad bikes
I'm not really happy with passing off quad bikes as safer than scooters, especially with the perceived additional "stability" (hint: it's much easier to tip over a quad bike than a car or fall down with a scooter - you take turns like on a motorcycle, but you can't lean in), lots of accidents happening with these with tourists. I don't know the culture on these pages, so I didn't just go and edit this out. (I added some other information.) Cheers, Sascha

title: Talk:Naxos