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Wikivoyage:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense/South Lopka

South Lopka (South Lopkan: Lop Kan Mmm Sam, Kaantraal: Sud Laapkaanse is a country in Lopka. It lies south of Central Lopka, and east of East Lopka. South Lopka comprises of the southern part of the Lopkan island.

Understand
At the southern part of the Lopkan Island, It was in alliance with East Lopka until after the Lopkan War when it split under the LAT Treaty (1985).

Climate
South Lopka has a humid and sticky climate (tropical). The Summer is sticky, foggy and misty. The Winter is cooler but still foggy and misty.

Being one of the wettest of the Lopkan countrys, unexpectent weather can be forecast.

Cities

 * Mmm Lop Sap

 * Kram Mmm Sap
 * Sap Mmm Sap
 * Kram Lap Sap
 * Dam Fram Lop
 * Pol Dam Mmm

Get in
Regular flights from Mascalama, Kampung and Van Der Hoeksaapen. Sometimes flights from other cities such as Acamacalacapeno and Xiujiang.

A visa is needed for visitors from North Lopka and Dviopskivoires.

There are border points with East Lopka only at Kushmakan and Malakashan, and some border points from Draafstein at Gaastraaikruger and Vaalpaalstroom.

By plane
Mmm Lop Sap Airport (Kram Mal Fam), formerly known as Mmm Lop Sap Kram Dal Mmm San Airport', is the main international airport of Mmm Lop Sap.

Major international airlines that serve Mmm Lop Sap directly include:
 * East Lopkan Airlines. from Masacalama, East Lopka
 * South Lopkan Airlines from all over Lopka.
 * Western Laapkaanse Draafstein from Van Der Hoeksaapen.

By land
You can cross at Kushmakan in East Lopka. You will need to pay 7800 SLK to pass through. Thats the only major one.

There is an South Lopkan Consulate in both Xinjiang (NL) and Kampung (CL) where you should be able to purchase visas.

By bus

 * Cross-border buses

There is a direct bus service daily between Mascalama and Mmm Lop Sap. Operated by Gasakanan Bus and Mmm Gan Salp Bus. Journey takes 34 hours.

By boat
There no boats. Sometimes a East Lopkan vessel might take you onboard.

By bus
Mmm Gan Han Bus Company is the only bus company in South Lopka. Roads are poor in the rural areas and crashes are common so you better off taking the nationwide tram (Mmm Kan Tram).

By car
You can hire a car at the airport for 55,704 SLK.

By plane
There is no domestic plane service. If you own a plane, please don't fly it around unless you have a Trans-Laapkaanse Flight Card (TLFC) which can be purchased by post in the L.A.T.

Talk
Most people speak South Lopkan. This language is very easy for English speakers to learn. Despite this, you are more likely to hear people speak East Lopkan or Central Lopkan as opposed to English.

See
Statue of Mmm Fan Gram- A famous South Lopkan artist. Mmm Mmm Dan Hill- A great hill to view Mmm Lop Sap.

Buy
The South Lopkan Kam is the legal tender currency in South Lopka and all transactions are in SLK. ATM's are everywhere apart from rural places..

Markets

Fran Mmm Lop Market is the biggest market in Lopka and contains many antiques. It opens every Wednesday and 5 hours (1pm-5pm)

Eat
South Lopkans love seafood. South Lopkan seafood is the best in Lopka.

Tipping

South Lopka has a hefty 2,400 SLK tipping charge (35%!). Be prepared to splash out for crappy service.

Drink
Try Gan Mmm Fan. It is a weak beer mixed with liquid tuna. It tastes werid but the locals love it.

Sleep
Try the Mmm Jan Kan chain of hotels. The beds are comfortable. They are everywhere.

Stay safe
Avoid the Mmm Lop Sap seafront at night. Attacks are known to have happened. Avoid telling people you are from North Lopka because they do not like North Lopkans.


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Wikivoyage:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense/The Sun

The Sun, often referred to simply by its official name, Sol, is the primary star of the Solar System. Its climate can best be described as "mild at best".

Cities
While The Sun does not have any cities per se, it does have several sunspots which are cooler, and easy to build settlements on.

Space Shuttle
This is the primary method of getting to the sun. Tickets are expensive, but worth it. Travellers are expected to supply their own ion drives or NERVA motors to supplement it's generally low delta-V capacity, although it may seem counter intuitive solar sails may also be used but should only be considered by travellers willing to take a more time consuming journey. Other tour operators will charge less if you are willing to accept an initial flight to earth orbit, then a replacement bus service for the interplanetary element of the route.

Giant Cannon
If you fire yourself at the right angle from a giant cannon on Earth, it may be possible to reach the sun without spending large amounts of money on a space shuttle ticket. Soft cushions are provided for free protection against the bone shattering acceleration along the barrel by the more reputable companies. Warm clothing is advised for the journey, but upon arrival cooler apparel should be worn.

Bus
It is believed that the fab 56 occasionally makes night trips to the sun on full moons, but this has not been backed up by reliable evidence. However, it is still unknown where the bus goes after it makes its final trip to Newcastle on a night.

Eat And Drink
Since The Sun is, in fact, a giant burning ball of gas, restaurants and cafés are scarce. However, the Sol Hotel does have its own dedicated burger bar, in which the burgers are first cooked by simply leaving them on the surface of the sun for a few nanoseconds, before placing them in a frozen bun. Water is extremely valuable and expensive on The Sun, and the fact that it only lasts for several seconds before evaporating means that you have to pay up to $600 USD for a a glass, and drink it immediately. You may alternatively consider trying the local delicacy of hydrogen, it takes quite a stomach to hold it under sufficient temperature and pressure to begin "digestion" but the results are most spectacular.

Stay Safe
Make sure you carry a healthy amount of sunscreen (20 or 30 litres is usually the accepted amount) and apply an extra layer every four seconds.

Keep your Geiger Counter switched on at all times. If a solar flare warning is broadcast, evacuate the sun immediately.

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Wikivoyage:Barncompasses

One great tradition in wiki culture is the barnstar. This is a simple image of an iron star, as used for decoration on barns in the northeastern United States. This comparison arises from the fact that wiki community building is often compared to barn raising -- coming together to work on a project.

As Wikivoyage is centred around the traveller and improving the experience of travel, we have created the Barncompass. Used in the same way as barnstars, the Barncompass commemorates not only the wiki tradition of barnstars with its similar appearance, but also the compass - the voyager's friend for centuries. Much like the barnstar on other wikis, the Barncompass is a symbol of community-mindedness, and is an informal "award" to recognize a user's exceptional community and content work.

For contributions which are perhaps not significant enough for a Barncompass, or if you just want to let the community know you have completed a noteworthy contribution, you can celebrate the occasion on this page.

A full list of barncompasses can be found at User:SHB2000/List of Barncompasses.

Giving a Barncompass
Any Wiki community member can give a Barncompass to any other for any reason whatsoever. If you think someone's done exceptional work on Wikivoyage, plunge forward and let them know with a Barncompass.

To add the Barncompass, use the following Wiki markup on the user's User talk: page. Feel free to customize the text, of course.

How this appears:

Barncompasses may be awarded privately, but if you wish to announce the award to the Wikivoyage community, this may be done by adding a short note on the Project:Celebrate a contribution page.

Continent barncompasses
This is a list of all continent barncompasses.

The Oceanian Barncompass
This is an example of a continent Oceanian/Australian Barncompass

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The European Barncompass
This is an example of a continent European Barncompass

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The North American Barncompass
This is an example of a continent Americas Barncompass

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The African Barncompass
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The Asian Barncompass
This is an example of a continent Asian Barncompass

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The Sysops Barncompass
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The Silver and Gold Barncompasses
These don't have any sort of intrinsic category attached. You can use them for any topic that you think goes above and beyond the call of an ordinary barncompass.

How these appear:

The Kanglei Barncompass
One can use this for Manipur and her seven sister states related topics that goes above and beyond the call of an ordinary barncompass. The seven lines inside the barncompass depict the seven sister states (North East Indian states).

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The (Alternative) Wikivoyage Barncompass
This is an alternative design of the Wikivoyage Barncompass.

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Wikivoyage:Be fair

Wikivoyage makes every attempt to be fair in articles.

Being "fair" does not necessarily mean being "nice" or being "neutral". We have a mission to make (among other things) a reliable and complete travel guide, and a travel guide that doesn't give qualitative information about the things it describes isn't reliable or complete.

We need to call a spade a spade; if a restaurant is crowded, loud, and overpriced, we need to say so. If a hotel has bugs, smells like urine, or is dangerously badly built, we need to say so. If a tourism site is ugly, annoying, or not worth the effort, we need to say so.

If another Wikivoyager disagrees, the description should be edited until both sides agree that the description is fair. If a restaurant's pizzas are tasty and served fast one day, and half-raw despite a one-hour wait the next, then a fair description might say that "service can be slow and quality suffers during rush hour".

However, being "fair" doesn't mean using bland, vapid or timid prose. Wikivoyagers should feel free – nay, obligated – to use concrete, lively descriptions that paint a clear, concise picture of the subject in question. "Greek restaurant just off the plaza" doesn't tell anyone anything. "Dingy but passable Greek restaurant with surly waitstaff, rich and generous portions of moussaka, tinny stereo system" gives a lot more info. You don't have to tone down your writing in Wikivoyage just to remain fair.

The idea of "being fair" is this: we don't have any hidden agenda on Wikivoyage. We are not advocating any religion, political philosophy, environmental practice, gender theory, international language, home cooking device, tour company, or any other idea, business, or cause. We aren't trying to put any hotel out of business or punish any restaurant because they wouldn't honour our expired Diners' Club card. We are trying to put personal feelings about destinations behind us, while sharing our knowledge and impressions with other Wikivoyagers.

Our agenda on Wikivoyage is to achieve our goal: to make a really, really, really good travel guide that's useful and readable for travellers worldwide. We want to share our knowledge, and have it used. We put the needs of the traveller first. With this goal in mind, it's clear that leaving extraneous non-travel ideologies behind is in our best interest. We want to make a travel guide, not a religious tract that scares readers away before they get through the first sentence.

Neutral point of view
Contributors who are used to Wikipedia should remember that our rule to be fair is not the same as neutral point of view. In particular, we encourage lively, descriptive writing. Wikivoyage articles should not sound like encyclopedia entries.

Both Wikipedia and Wikivoyage will sometimes need to describe things that are strongly negative or positive. On both projects, this needs to be handled carefully to avoid straying into extremes; in a worst-case scenario, improperly lauding a place or event can stray into advertising, whereas unjustifiably slamming it can cause real and undue harm to the subject. However, Wikivoyage is a more personal, lively platform than Wikipedia. Our listings aren't just summaries of facts from other sources, but the personal impressions of Wikivoyage's collective userbase. We also tend to avoid reviews that are entirely negative, unless there's a good reason to keep them, such as in a guide to a small town without many other options; this means that where Wikipedia may need to consider how to present negative facts in context, we have the option of just excluding them if the context doesn't require their inclusion.

Local or business owner bias
If you are a business owner or a local advocate, make doubly sure to avoid the temptation to whitewash or sanitize an article or listing and to present a city or a business in the best possible light. There is nothing wrong with wanting to show off the highlights of a city. However, if there is a conflict between the perspective of travellers and the perspective of a business owner or local advocate, the traveller comes first.

Political disputes
Alas, when politics get involved, it's difficult to stay "fair" to both sides at once. The best way out is to stick to the bare minimum of facts necessary, presented as neutrally as possible, while keeping a firm focus on the traveller's interests.

For example, in the dispute between India and Pakistan over Kashmir, we should mention that there is a dispute and give brief (a sentence or two) historical background. Beyond that, our text should concentrate on practical advice directly relevant to travel:
 * De facto control on the ground today. Which areas can you visit with an Indian visa? Which require a Pakistani visa? Whoever actually controls a territory, we simply acknowledge the fact that they do control it, regardless of whether we might think they should.
 * Possible dangers to travellers. Are areas along the border off-limits or risky due to military activity? Are there dangers in other areas: volatile demonstrations, thuggish law enforcement, or terrorism?

Of course, every conflict has many other aspects, but in general these are not relevant to travel so they should not be covered here:

 * Detailed history. Beyond the basics (for Kashmir, the dispute goes back to 1947 and the two nations have fought wars over it), this is out-of-scope for a travel guide.
 * Legalities. For almost any conflict, there are treaties or UN resolutions that are relevant.
 * Politics. Other nations may support one side or the other, and within the disputing countries different political parties may have quite different positions on the conflict.
 * Blame. In the Kashmir conflict, each side blames the other, both blame the British, and there are complications beyond that.

Nearly all articles should include a link to Wikipedia; that provides a starting point for a reader who wants to know more about any of these topics. On Wikivoyage, bring them up only if they are truly relevant to the traveller. For example, if a party that is more militant about the dispute comes to power in one country, or if there is more than the usual saber-rattling from either side, that changes the risks for travel and should be mentioned.

Folklore and legends
Many places are known through folklore or unreliable rumours. When a statement is relevant to the fame of a place, but closer to legend than truth, make that clear.
 * Lucerne is a beautiful small city in the heartland of Switzerland, across the lake from Altdorf, where legend has it William Tell shot an apple off of his son's head.
 * The Baptism Site “Bethany Beyond the Jordan” (Al-Maghtas) just west of the Israeli border is the place where Jesus is said to have been baptized.

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Wikivoyage:Big city article template

''This template has much more extensive listing format than the small city article template, with more sections that would be more useful to travellers in a big city. If you don't think the city you're writing about needs all this stuff, check the small city template. Also, if you think there's too much information on the city, and the city could be reasonably broken down into districts, try using the huge city article template instead. ''

To quickly insert a complete blank city template, copy-and-paste the quick version into the edit box on the page you are editing, or just add , which will expand to the template when you save the page.

''Stuff in italics below is editorial comment, with suggestions for what should go in each section, and not part of the eventual article. If you copy the text below, you should plan on ripping out everything in italics when you start your city article.]''

''The first section of the city article does not have a heading. This is a where you give a quick descriptive overview of the destination. Be sure to include some context so readers know where and what they are reading about. Links to the region and country that the city is in can be useful here, too.''

Also include any background information particular to the city (e.g. Geneva is a French-speaking city, New Delhi can be more dangerous than other parts of India, etc), but try not to duplicate too much information that already exists in the country or region page.

Understand
''Give a deeper understanding of the city, such as its history, its culture, its mores, its politics, its relationship to other cities and the country it's in. Jokes and stereotypes about locals, etc.''

Get in
''Arrival details. Try to include all the options you are aware of -- land, air, and sea. Also include getting to and from transportation centers (such as airports) to central areas or hotel/hostel districts.''

''Below are some sections for common ways to get to a city. Try to order the sections from the most common and convenient to the rarest and most inconvenient. If there's a common way to approach the city not listed below -- by llama, by snowmobile, by bush helicopter -- just add another section. Leave out sections that don't apply. ''

By plane
''Name the airport or airports that serve this city. Name the air carriers that serve the city, and rough schedules ("once a week, once a day") for getting to this city by air from other major nearby cities. Note transportation options for getting from the airport to the city center. If it's common to hire private planes to arrive in the city -- for instance, if it's in a remote part of Alaska -- note the names of plane charter companies, and give contact info. If there's no plane service to this city, leave this section out.''

By train
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By car
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By bus
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By boat
''Name any ferries, passenger boats, or other floating vessels for getting to this destination. Give contact information for carriers, and the location of arrival points with relation to the city center, as well as transport options from the dock or terminal. If it's a common way to arrive, note the marinas where you can show up with a private vessel. If the city is landlocked or just not served by passenger boat traffic, leave this section out.''

Get around
''How to get around once you are there: bus, train, rickshaw, ferry, gondola, etc. How much does local transport cost, where/how to buy tickets, and good discounts (week or weekend passes, 1/2 price seniors or students, etc). Is the place walkable? What about bikes? Is it a Copenhagen or a place where cycling is torture?''

See
List attractions that people come to this city to visit, such as museums, palaces, churches, temples, historical buildings, squares, parks, monuments, statues, streets, zoos, etc. You can also note here general information about attractions, such as discount tourist admission passes, need for a guide, weather warnings, good walking routes, popular city districts, etc.

Do
''This is for things that travellers will do themselves. More active participation is needed for Do things than for See things. For example, going to see a river goes under See; kayak trips down the river go under Do.''

Events

 * Often, there will be a long list of annual events, such as county fairs or winter carnivals. If the main list of activities is getting long, it may make sense to split the once-a-year event list into a subsection.

Learn
If there are opportunities for travellers to study in this city -- from language to cooking classes up to full university courses -- add that here.

Work
''What possibilities are there for travellers to earn money in this city? Note that this is kind of long-range and probably won't be appropriate for most destinations.''

Buy
''What would be good to buy in this city? Local crafts? How about general shopping -- clothes, travel equipment, other?''

Eat
''For restaurant listings and other food-related stuff. Mention any local specialties or oddities. Specific restaurant listings should be in the format below. Also, give a general idea of where there are good areas to try for finding a restaurant on your own. Be sure to explain what the price ranges are ($2 for a meal can be a splurge in some cities); you can use Template:Eatpricerange for this. Some travellers like (or have) to make their own food -- include local food-shopping options if possible.''

Drink
''For bars, clubs, and other nightlife. Yes, many people go out to clubs and don't drink; the name of the section is still Drink. Mention any local specialties or oddities, and give a general idea of good areas of the destination to try. Invent groupings/labels as needed (Gay friendly, student, hipster, fancy-pants, etc). Good things to mention: dress code, entrance fees, safety concerns, solo-woman friendly or pick-up bar, good/bad nights).''

''This section (or its subsections, if split by type) will overlap other categories, particularly "eat" as a "bar and grill" or an "English-style pub" does serve a full meal. List each establishment in only one section; if the winery tour is already in "do" as an activity, there's no need to list it again in "drink".''

 * Name of Bar, Address (extra directions if necessary), phone number (email, fax, other contact if possible). Days and times open. One to three sentences about the drinks, service, atmosphere, view, specialties, and music. $beerprice draft/bottle beers, $wellprice well drinks (extra price or special info).

Sleep
''This is for helping the traveller find a place to lay his/her weary head. Give a general idea of good areas of the destination to try to find lodging. Other good info to include is high/low season, the importance of reservation, things to request (quiet room, view, airport pick up, etc). The list should be divided by price range, unless some other subcategorization (accommodation type or location, usually) makes more sense.''

Price ranges should be defined via Template:Sleeppricerange, or in text (e.g., "Budget lodging costs less than 10 quatloos a night, Mid-range will set you back 10-25 quatloos, and Splurge lodging goes for 25 quatloos or more, sometimes much more.").

Budget

 * Name of Place, Address (extra directions if necessary), phone number (email, fax, other contact if possible). Check-in and check-out times. One to three sentences about the service, atmosphere, view, rooms, what have you. $lowprice-$highprice (extra price info).

Stay safe
''This is a section for general safety tips. If there are health hazards or crime problems in the city, list them here.''

Connect
''Information on communications -- phone, Internet, other. Give information on cellular phone coverage in the city, and telephone centers where travelers can make long-distance calls. This is also where you'd list Internet cafés or computer rental centers for staying in touch by email or on the Web. If there are free or paid wireless Internet hotspots in the city, name them here.''

 * Name of Internet Café, Address (extra directions if necessary), phone number (email, fax, other contact if possible). Days and times open. One to three sentences about the computers, connectivity, food or beverages available. $rate per hour (extra price info).

Cope
''This section is for all those little items that people need to know when they're in a city. What media provide local news and information? Where can you get a babysitter? Attend religious services? Anything that has to do with the practicalities of daily life should go here.''

''Don't put something here when it could fit in one of the other sections. Don't list every minute thing a traveller might need or want, if they could easily find multiple options with a quick Internet search. If there's nothing to put in this section, leave it out.''

Go next
''Information about nearby destinations that would serve as a good "next stop." Provide a brief description of other nearby destination suggestions, neighboring cities or day-trip ideas. Don't duplicate information that's up in "Get in."''

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Wikivoyage:Bodies of water

This style guideline discusses the place of bodies of water, like rivers, lakes, oceans, and seas, in Wikivoyage.

We don't write destination guide articles about bodies of water—we write destination guides about destinations. Napaktulik Lake in Nunavut is probably a pretty (if buggy) place in the summer, and there are a few facts you could include in an article, but it's not a sensible destination article. Crucially, it would fail the basic criteria of What is an article?

Of course, bodies of water do factor into travel; to find out how to deal with them, keep reading!

Land regions
Some regions or for that matter towns are named after bodies of water. These articles aren't about water, they are about the inhabited area on and around the water, with all the sorts of things that make a destination article-worthy. For example, the Lake Tahoe region in California is named after the lake there, but it is about the towns, national parks, and ski resorts that ring the lake.

Transportation
Using bodies of water as transportation is a subject usually treated in the transportation section (Get in or Get around) section of destination guide. For example, ferry information for crossing the English Channel can be found on United Kingdom or France.

Sometimes the transportation system for a body of water may be too complex to be in a one or two destination guides, and a travel topic should be considered. For example, you won't find the complete description on how to get from Belem to Manaus via the Amazon River in Belem.

Attractions
Some bodies of water are attractions — things to "See" or "Do" in a city or region, and they are formatted like any other attraction, contained within a destination article. For example, the Seine River in Paris, or Lake Merritt in Oakland.

Itineraries
Bodies of water can also define paths for an itinerary. For example, Along the Yangtze River describes the cities along China's greatest river and how to travel between them. The mode of transportation doesn't have to be land-based. Canoeing the San Marcos River gives tips for a three-day canoe journey through Texas Hill Country. Rideau Canal covers traveling from Ottawa to Kingston both in the canal by boat, or along it by car or bicycle.

Travel topics
Bodies of water can also be travel topics. Cruising the Baltic Sea gives an overview of cruising around that body of water on a cruise ship, Boating on the Baltic Sea is the equivalent for those with small craft. Diving in South Africa has extensive information regarding good diving spots along the coast of South Africa.

Redirects and disambiguation
Pages named after bodies of water might need to be redirected to point the traveler to the information they are likely to be seeking.

Where the information on the body of water is fully contained within a single destination guide, simply redirect the page to that article.

Where the information on the body of water is contained within several articles, or the body of water is large and not specific to a single region, create an extraregion page referencing the destination guides, travel topics and itineraries associated with it.

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Wikivoyage:Breadcrumb navigation

Wikivoyage has a feature to show breadcrumb menus under the title of a destination article to show the countries and regions that a destination belongs to.

Example: Europe > Russia > Southern Russia > North Caucasus > Dagestan

This can make it easier to navigate the site and find bigger or nearby destinations. This page describes how to add a breadcrumb menu to a page.

When to use
Breadcrumb navigation should be used for all destination articles. Travel topics and itineraries have separate breadcrumb trails.

Template:IsPartOf
To add a menu, you need to specify the next larger area that a place is in. For example, Montreal is in Quebec, and Germany is in Central Europe.

To say that a place is in another place, put the "isPartOf" template at the bottom of the page, with the name of the larger place. So, Montreal's guide has a line saying, and Germany's guide has a line.

By convention, this template is placed at the end of the destination article.

 * If there are two "IsPartOf" lines, the breadcrumb navigation code only uses the last one.
 * You only need to specify the immediately next bigger area. Germany is in Europe, but we don't need to add to the Germany page, since Central Europe is already marked as being in Europe.
 * Interaction with the caching system is poor. If you change the location of a larger entity, the cached pages for its contained entities are not updated. You can purge them using "action=purge" to cache and re-load the page.
 * Disambiguators won't be shown unless two parts of the hierarchy have the same ambiguous name (see, for example, Tokyo).
 * See also Geographical hierarchy

Template:PartOfTopic
For Travel topics breadcrumbs can be added using the PartOfTopic template.

Template:PartOfItinerary
For Itineraries breadcrumbs can be added using the PartOfItinerary template.

Subpages
Subpages are commonly used for districts of huge cities. In this case the breadcrumb navigation assumes that the subpage lies within the parent page. For instance the article London/Westminster is recognised as a sub-region of London.

However if the template is omitted, no RDF will be generated for the isPartOf relationship.

Categories
The breadcrumb at the top of the page allows you to walk up the trail to larger regions.

To browse to places in the same region or down the trail to smaller places, use the category at the bottom of the page – to see this, your Preferences (Appearance) must be set to show hidden categories. The name of the category is the name in the isPartOf template. If the category does not exist, a small link will be created at the bottom of the page to assist in creating the category with the correct content. See Region categories.

Troubleshooting

 * If the breadcrumb menu doesn't show up at all,
 * Be sure that there is an IsPartOf template in the article and a pagebanner at the top of the article.
 * Be sure that there isn't another isIn or IsPartOf in the article text (this is occasionally a source of broken breadcrumbs)
 * If you've changed the IsPartOf setting for an article, or its parent, but the breadcrumb menu still shows the old contents, then likely the cached IsPartOf information is incorrect. Fix this by purging the cache. You must do this with every article below the one which changed, down to the current article. Start with articles which are IsPartOf to the changed article, and work down to all articles which are IsIn them, and so on. (If you change the IsPartOf relationship of a top-level article, there can be a lot of caches to purge!).
 * You can purge the cache by clicking on the History tab of the article, giving the History page and in the browser's location (URL) bar, find the string "action=history", and change it to "action=purge", then push the Enter key, giving a view of the article with no breadcrumb menu; 3) click on the Article tab, giving the article with a correct breadcrumb menu.
 * You can also edit the article, and click on the Purge cache link at the bottom of the page.
 * If there's only a partial GeoCrumbs trail, (such as "Orange County > Beaches > Some town" instead of "North America > USA > California > Orange County CA > Beaches > Some town"), check the first region listed in the crumb trail to verify that article has the "isPartOf" tag. If Orange County is a disambiguation page, it will have no tags so the trail goes cold. If there's a redirect as an isPartOf target, that redirect (and not just the other page to which it is redirected) must have "isPartOf" to continue the trail.

Under the covers
The crumbs are generated by mw:Extension:GeoCrumbs.

The breadcrumb navigation code uses the RDF isPartOf relation defined by the IsPartOf template to determine the geographical hierarchy of a destination. The RDF defines the relationship between two places, and the navigation code reads that relationship. An exception to this occurs when using subpages. Subpages are commonly used for districts of huge cities. In this case the template and associated RDF are ignored, and the breadcrumb navigation assumes that the subpage lies within the parent page.

GeoCrumbs are based on a tree structure and presume that each destination or region isPartOf only one parent region. This requires workarounds for places which fall on regional boundaries:
 * Russia and Turkey are tagged isPartOf Europe, although most of the land of both is in Asia.
 * Niagara Falls, Kansas City and Sault Ste Marie each have two separate articles for the places on each side of the border. Some also have a disambiguation page.
 * Some areas that span borders — e,g. Nogales, Bactria, the Ferghana Valley or National Capital Region (Canada) — are tagged extraregion. These are breadcrumbed to the "least common multiple", the smallest region containing all the parts - even if that's a point high in the hierarchy like North America
 * Rural areas like Thousand Islands (many are parkland, cottages or vacant) or Glenrio (a ghost town) are left undivided if too small to be two articles.

If there are two or more "isPartOf" tags on an article, the extension ignores all but the last tag. There are no automated tools to verify which places are part of a region; links generated as part of the breadcrumb trail are not displayed by special:whatlinkshere.

The open source code for the extension is available from Wikimedia's git version control system.

See also: Wikipedia article on breadcrumb navigation

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Wikivoyage:Bug reports and feature requests

Bug reports and feature requests relating to the MediaWiki software that powers Wikivoyage should be filed on Wikimedia's Phabricator.

Bugs that are not directly related to the MediaWiki software should be discussed in the Travellers' pub. When in doubt, discuss issues at the pub before filing a bug on Phabricator.

For more information, see Wikipedia:Bug reports and feature requests. The information there applies equally to Wikivoyage.


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Wikivoyage:Business listings reliability Expedition

The Reliability Expedition is a Wikivoyage Expedition to find ways to improve the reliability of information on Wikivoyage.

Rationale
Content on Wikivoyage comes from a variety of sources, and it is not always clear in an article where information came from, whether it is up-to-date, or whether the party that added the information did so to share travel information or for promotional purposes. The goal of this expedition is to help develop some additional guidelines, policies, and methods for ensuring quality data on Wikivoyage and providing travelers with some information on how reliable data may be.

Goals
The reliability expedition has the following goals:

 * To improve existing site documentation to make it easier to determine what is appropriate content.
 * To improve communication with contributors to make it easier for them to add valuable content to Wikivoyage.
 * To brainstorm and implement ways to convey a sense of reliability to end users for information being presented in Wikivoyage guides.

The status quo
Currently documentation on how to add valuable content is spread amongst many sources and does not necessarily make it easy for new contributors to figure out how to add useful contributions, nor does it make it easy for editors to provide a single reference to send new users. Some of this documentation includes:

 * Welcome documentation:
 * Project:Welcome, newcomers
 * Project:Welcome, business owners
 * Project:Welcome, tourism professionals
 * Project:Don't tout

Improvements
TBD

Status quo
It can be head-splittingly difficult to get the attention of new users. Current methods that are used include:

 * MediaWiki: namespace messaging such as the ever-so-subtle MediaWiki:Uploadtext.
 * Article talk pages.
 * User talk pages.
 * Edit summaries.

Providing some consistency in how users are contacted and brainstorming improvements should make it easier to help new users make better contributions.

Documentation on this subject includes:

 * Project:Welcome message
 * Project:Tourist bureau Expedition

Improvements
TBD

Status quo
The goal of Wikivoyage is to develop useful travel guides. However, when an unscrupulous hotel chain adds descriptions of their properties that helpfully describe the establishments as "a traveler's dream, located next to all major attractions" Wikivoyage is doing a disservice to travelers by providing misinformation.

There are a number of tools and processes in place currently to help with reliability, including:

 * Project:Article status - A higher status generally indicates better quality information, although not always.
 * Project:Docents - Docents tend to watch over articles and can answer questions.
 * Project:Wikivoyage Press - Articles that are used for Wikivoyage Press books tend to be frequently reviewed by the book editors.
 * Template:Title-icons - Used to display icons for star status, could be used for other reliability-related communication.

Improvements
TBD

Action plan
TBD


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Wikivoyage:Categories

The software we use for Wikivoyage, MediaWiki, supports organizing articles on a wiki into categories. However, unlike Wikipedia, Wikivoyage has made the decision not to use this feature, except in a very limited way.

Geography
To indicate that a city is in a region, the Wikivoyage style is not ; instead, we use the special template    to create a breadcrumb trail. Unlike categories, this creates a handy hierarchical menu for navigation on every page.

For maintenance purposes, various templates carry hidden categories. Do not add articles to these categories manually. If exists, isPartOf will automatically add the article to it.

Usage of categories
Currently, the only approved uses of categories are for Project purposes, i.e. for helping out with articles that need attention or getting informed about current policies. These categories are set automatically within the templates, not manually by users.

Currently all categories are hidden categories. To see them, change your Preferences (Appearance) to show hidden categories.

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Wikivoyage:Celebrate a contribution

10000th edit!
Just passed my 10000th edit, and I just wanted to say thank you to all of you for helping me get here. My time here at Wikivoyage was a lot more enjoyable than I thought, and I'm not leaving for a couple of years to come.

I truly have to say that Wikivoyage is much better than Wikipedia, and to say, Wikipedia receives more vandalism than total edits on this wiki. The small community also makes it a fun, enjoyable and most importantly successful wiki. Saw crocs at a creek. Write it, and someone else may enjoy the pleasure as well.

Thankfully, my 10000th edit was much better than my 5000th or ThunderingTyphoons!' one. Well, to celebrate, I chose to expand my first edit.

And finally, thanks again for guiding, and assisting me to where I am. I have yet plenty of Strayan destinations to do, and there's yet more to do for me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:32, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! :) Vaticidalprophet (talk) 07:33, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:36, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Congrats SHB! I do agree on Wikivoyage being a friendlier and more relaxed environment than the 'pedia. While we have our own set of rules, there are overall fewer rules with more freedom and flexibility given to editors when writing articles, especially travel topics. Gizza ( roam ) 07:42, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Especially the non existence of the original research rule. Also explains why I've only wrote three stubs there (enwiki) :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:44, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for being so helpful on this site. That in itself is something to celebrate! Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:30, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! This tells me I've made a lot more edits than I thought. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:43, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations and thanks for the continued hard work and generosity with your time. :-) --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:01, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've a lot more spare time in winter compared to summer, so hence I did a thousand edits in a week. :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:06, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It’s been amazing to watch how quickly you’ve earned your place as a valued member of the community and helped in every possible way with great enthusiasm. Well deserved! --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 10:20, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate :). I still do regret editing as an IP user for 9 months though, :( although that was more content based and more towards enwiki. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:04, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations, my friend! We're happy to have you. Also, can I just say, it's an achievement in and of itself to match my own 4,800 edits over six years within four months, only to double it within two more months. I think it's fair to say that you're in a league of your own. Keep up the good work! -- Wauteurz (talk) 12:16, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Wauteurz. To be fair, I've had a lot more spare time in recent months, partly due to Covid, and partly due to an injury (minor). Not sure if I'll hit 20000 by the end of this year, but it's definitely a lot quicker than I thought. After all, I thought I was going to hit 1000 edits only by Spring (aka September to November not Mar - May), but no, I rather did that amount in just a week. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:26, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations! Your contributions have made Wikivoyage much better, and your participation has made Wikivoyage more fun. I'm glad you're choosing to spend time with us. Ground Zero (talk) 12:53, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. What's great here is there's a sense of community here, but on enwiki, you're likely to spot a user one, and then you probably won't see them for a while on RC. (although I see a certain user always doing some anti-vandalism work there). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:58, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations! You have been busy, and done a lot of useful stuff. AlasdairW (talk) 21:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you Alasdair! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:59, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Amazing work! Keep it up, and thanks for all your input and help over the past few months. -- Lively Ratification  (talk)  00:50, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate. It has certainly been a more enjoyable experience than initially thought SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:11, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

10,000th edit
Here is my horn: 🎺. Toot toot! I have hit my 10,000th Wikivoyage edit since I started contributing in January 2013. My total Wikimedia project edits are over 20,600. https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikivoyage.org/Nelson Ricardo 2500 My current "project" is improving Outline Portugal articles to Usable (or merely upgrading the status template on already eligible articles). You can see stats from a little bit ago at User:Nelson Ricardo 2500/Portugal article status. This is what the stats looked like when I began tracking: https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=User:Nelson_Ricardo_2500/Portugal_article_status&direction=next&oldid=4237628. --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 02:30, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Congratulations Nelson. Well deserved. You've been a great contributor to this site, and coincidentally, I've aye a similar initiative to you. (improving outline Australian articles to usable). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 02:39, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Wow! We really appreciate your contributions to Wikivoyage, and keep up the great work! --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 13:07, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Meus parabéns! Thank you for all the edits over the years. Blow that horn! --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:41, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Congratulations and welcome to the 10K club Nelson! Gizza ( roam ) 07:01, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

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Wikivoyage:CIA World Factbook 2002 import

When Wikivoyage first started in July 2003, it seemed like a good idea to get a jump start on the geographical hierarchy by importing country data from the CIA World Factbook. The Factbook is public domain content -- created by US Government employees -- so it is compatible with our copyleft.

Scripts were written, tests were done, and eventually the entire factbook was slurped into the system. A special user, (WT-en) CIAWorldFactbook2002, was created to do the imports, so we could track copyright information or lack thereof.

The result was about 250 professional-looking pages, with sections containing the vital statistics of countries around the world (as well as some teensy-weensy uninhabited islands and other strange beasts). People coming to Wikivoyage for the first time could see that we had content, and begin working with it.

There were a few big problems with the factbook imports, though:

 * 1) Data in the factbook import articles was developed by people mostly interested in invading those countries, not in visiting them. Consequently, the emphasis is on politics and economy, not on travel information. So, although the articles look flashy, they don't contain a lot of essential info for travelers.
 * 2) The factbook articles don't look anything like our country article template, and don't match our manual of style. They stick out like a sore thumb from other articles on Wikivoyage.
 * 3) The factbook articles look too imposing for contributors to edit. After all, the facts on there are pretty quantitative -- who can correct the info on the highest point in Nepal, for example? And they seem pretty complete. Which they are, in fact: those CIA guys don't get the big bucks for nothing. They do their research. They just don't worry so much about travel. So that's when we come in!
 * 4) When people do edit the articles, they copy what they see. They assume that our preferred country article format is a huge list of minutia about drug smuggling and sugar cane production, and they add to that data. People's natural tendency to share what they know gets caught up in factbook-y rigamarole.

For all these reasons, it was necessary to de-factbook articles. Priority was given to articles that had already been edited, figuring that those were the ones where the factbook info was getting in the way of real content. Highest priority went to country pages that were particularly popular. There was a page for remarking on pages that needed to be de-factbookized, called Wikivoyage:Factbook imports needing attention.

But that's all done with now; the factbookectomy was completed on 5 June 2006. Even for the little rocks in the Pacific Ocean where you can't go without permission from Uncle Sam. Because someone in theory could go there, and some of the rest of us might at least be curious to see whether we could. The last article to be converted was for Djibouti, which for whatever reason came up at the bottom of the list when searching for "cia world factbook" in the text of destination articles.

The factbook imports are still out there, of course. They exist in the edit history of every country/territory article.


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Wikivoyage:City article status

This page describes the criteria for determining the article status of City, District, and Rural area articles.

Insert the Wiki Markup listed in one of the three tables below in order to display a guide's maturity rating:

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Wikivoyage:Climate Expedition

The Climate Expedition page is for bringing together our efforts to present concise traveler oriented climate and weather info.

Rationale. Travelers want to know basic climate info about the places they are going. It helps them travel light by bringing only the things they need, and travel comfortably by bringing the right things. Wikivoyage lacks clear guidelines about how to write this info well. This expedition is designed to develop those guidelines.

Goals
 * Be traveler focused—provide only information travelers need. Traveler focused climate and weather info need not take up much space. Just the concise relevant facts, read at a glance, are all travelers need. Further details belong on climate and weather sites.
 * Bring together our efforts to write traveler focused climate info.
 * Learn what the legal limits are so we don't overstep them. Facts are not subject to copyright. So we have some legal footing for using some data (facts) from copyrighted sources.
 * Write Wikivoyage's guidelines on writing climate info, once we figure enough of this out.

Show
How to write helpful climate info, well and concisely. Once it matures, add this to Wikivoyage's guidelines.

Example pages

 * Chicago shows a prototype forecast box (via template)
 * Cincinnati shows an averages monthly climate data table (via slightly complex template)
 * Wuhan shows Template:Climate with a short description of the climate at the bottom of the info box (inserted via optional parameter 'description')
 * Palo Alto shows Template:Climate with Template:ForecastNOAA nested into its 'description' parameter
 * Ko Chang(permanent link because I'm going to change it to use the template now) and Antalya(also permalink) show simple table wiki markup used instead of a template. Nice, too. Are templates better? I think templates are better because they put computers to work updating every instance of themselves as we improve the layout and this helps keeps Wikivoyage's look and feel consistent. But simple is tables work, too. --(WT-en) Rogerhc 02:51, 3 June 2007 (EDT)

Templates (polished)
Climate templates, working well and ready to use:
 * Template:Climate - can use Imperial or Metric units of measure depending what you set its 'units' parameter to. It also has a text box at the bottom for descriptive text about climate and or links to forecast sites (such as via a nested Template:ForecastNOAA). This is a refactored and modified version of Template:ClimateCelsius. Please comment on the talk page which also shows what it looks like. Thanks! :-)
 * Template:Forecast/US - Only to be used for U.S. destinations. The template links to a National Weather Service forecast for the destination in questions.  The template's successful use is dependent on three values: the name of the place; the latitude (in decimal) form; and the longitude (in decimal form).  Because linking to a NWS site on a printed version of Wikivoyage is pretty fruitless, when someone clicks on the "Printable version" link (in the "toolbox" section) the template will not be displayed.
 * Template:Forecast/AU - similar to Template:Forecast/US but only for Australian and Antarctic destinations.
 * Template:ForecastNOAA - Only for US locations. Provides an in-line text link to NOAA 7 day forecast. Similar to, and inspired by Sapphire's work in, Template:Forecast/US. An example of this template nested within the 'description' parameter of Template:Climate is in Palo Alto page.

Templates (dev)
Parser functions are used on this expedition; help understanding them is at mediawiki.org and meta

Tables in wiki markup and how to add styling is explained at mediawiki.org

Development
 * Template:Climate/sandbox1 - status: it WORKS. "units" parameter set to either "Metric" or "Imperial" and optional "description" parameter set to some text to describe the location's climate in prose that can also include a link to local 7 day forecast via a nested Template:ForecastNOAA or plain URL link. This is a development version for experimentation of Template:Climate.

Public domain

 * National Park Service — The National Park Service (NPS) provides detailed descriptions of the climates for many U.S. National Parks and Monuments.  Simply click on the national park in question, then click on the "Plan your visit" page.  Typically, there will be a "Things To Know Before You Come" link, click on it.  Now, on the Things To Know Before You Come page click on the "Weather" link, if there is one.  Not all parks/monuments provide this information, but a lot do.  See the weather page for Glacier National Park .  Typically descriptions can be copied verbatim, however, some copyediting may be required.

 * National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration — NOAA collects all kinds of useful data, but NOAA's scope is essentially limited to U.S. locales, however, you can find information for non-US places that have a strategic partnership with NOAA.  NOAA has amazingly useful data tables  which will allow you to search for averages for particular cities throughout the U.S., specifically Normal Daily Maximum Temperature, Degrees F and Normal Daily Minimum Temperature, Degrees F.

Copyrighted

 * Weatherbase, worldwide climate data, searchable by city, nicely presented.
 * World Climate, worldwide climate data, searchable by city.

Legal
Facts are not copyrightable. So we have some legal footing for using some data (facts) from copyrighted sources. Let's learn what the legal limits are so we don't overstep them however.

Importing from Wikipedia
If Wikipedia has a climate table, wikitext for Wikivoyage can be generated using the someday tool (also hosted on wmflabs by entering the Wikipedia page title in the URL (which may or may not be the same as the Wikivoyage article). The result can be copied directly into the Wikivoyage article (example).

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Wikivoyage:Featured collaboration

The Featured collaboration is a way to get many contributors working on one project at once, either a specific article to get it ready for an upcoming event or a nomination for destination of the month, or on a type of correction or improvement across a range of articles. While anyone can edit any article at any time, this provides a way to highlight specific projects in Wikivoyage allowing many contributors to work on them together.

Current featured collaboration
There is no active featured collaboration.

Nominate
A collaboration does not have a maximum time limit — a collaboration is featured for at least one month until another collaboration is featured.

Any user can propose a featured collaboration, which is discussed for a minimum of two weeks. If a collaboration is completed without a new one being proposed, it will be removed and there would be no featured collaboration.
 * If after two weeks, there are no major objections, the proposed collaboration is featured for a minimum of a month.
 * After one month, it van be replaced by a new collaboration that has been discussed on the talk page for at least two weeks.

Think carefully before making a nomination. Nominations most likely to be collaborative successes are those that have clearly defined areas for improvement, are of interest to a wide range of people, and that are already pretty well developed. Particularly good choices for nomination are articles that could quickly become options for the Destination of the Month, or Off the Beaten Path featured articles.

When nominating, describe exactly what you hope would come of a Collaboration. Explain why you think it would be a successful collaboration. (Not why you would like it improved!) Then leave a list of several bullet points detailing exactly how other contributors can help with the collaboration. The bullet points should be very concrete, and should detail basic tasks that anyone can help with.

Take pains to avoid listing tasks that require either a significant committal of time or in-depth knowledge of the destination from individual contributors:

 * 1) research beyond basic information (like contact information for a listing),
 * 2) original writing,
 * 3) map making (aside from more simple region maps),
 * 4) devising new districts.

These are tasks for contributors with a special interest in a particular destination, not for contributors simply interested in devoting a small amount of time in support of the collaboration. If these types of tasks are to work, the nominator will have to volunteer to do them, or find someone beforehand who is willing.

Archiving
After nominated entries have been a featured collaboration, move the original nomination and other comments to Project:Previous collaborations and add title to tabled list. Accomplished goals mark with Done or Partly done, failed goals with Not done or keep with to do.

Move unsuccessful nominations to the Project:Featured collaboration/Slush pile.

Populate "Connect"
First as a general point, any nomination should have a prominent early line "How travellers will benefit: - ". This keeps our minds focussed on the public readership.

My proposal is to populate "Connect" with mobile coverage, for all areas where this can be swiftly done using info from Nperf. A sample entry might read: "As of July 2023, Strelsau and its approach roads have 4G from all Ruritanian carriers. 5G has not reached this area".

The benefit to travellers is that many use their mobiles to get around abroad, and indeed may have to: railway timetables and the like nowadays are often online-only. Connection coverage is therefore mission-critical, but many existing WV pages either have no Connect info, or obsolete stuff about an internet cafe that closed years ago.

This task is well-suited to collaboration because updating a city takes only a couple of minutes, a single contributor can knock off an entire region in 20 minutes, but thereafter it feels like drudgery and is better as a shared task. One approach would be to pick country by country in turn where Nperf is a reliable source (ignore the others), post the regions, and let editing commence - let's say France first up. Some simple rules on pre-existing content are wanted if this proposal goes ahead. Grahamsands (talk) 14:59, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

 * Convenience link: Nperf.com. –LPfi (talk) 10:35, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * A more direct link is by country, eg Nperf France. Grahamsands (talk) 09:53, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd be willing to contribute to this effort. What are those "simple rules on pre-existing content" that you have in mind? We should keep in mind that Nperf is not necessarily a reliable source for areas like small towns in rural areas because there's simply not many people there likely to be testing their connections. Mrkstvns (talk) 14:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I suppose Nperf can be helpful to confirm that "Strelsau has 4G", but I would be very careful about "Fluppingen has no mobile network coverage" (absence of evidence is not evidence of absence). China, for example, has excellent mobile coverage, but looks like a blank spot on the Nperf map ... El Grafo (talk) 08:40, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * ... And Finland has coverage only along the roads, according to Nperf. One person driving around gets a lot more points than a hundred people measuring connections at home. –LPfi (talk) 10:27, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Important point this. Any area where we are not confident of Nperf (or positively sceptical, as for China), let's just leave it alone and skip on to one of the many areas where we are confident, and cover as much ground as possible in a short time. However rural areas may be mapped in enough detail for the limited granularity of WV. Thus for Rovaniemi in the far north of Finland, does it not suffice to say 5G in town and 4G along the main road from Kemi, and leave it at that? We can't describe every back-woods or moor around it any more than we'd describe signal in individual city streets. Grahamsands (talk) 12:24, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd say that you have 5G in some parts of any Finnish city and 4G along most highways. You will probably have at least 3G off the roads also unless you go into the backwoods (where you do find areas without any coverage). I don't think the Nperf reports add anything to that unless you do a careful analysis of them. So: probably useful where there are lots of people and relatively weak coverage, but not somewhere like Finland, where it is the other way around. –LPfi (talk) 17:18, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

 * GSMA is another site that shows mobile coverage. On the downside they only show GSM, 3G and 4G (LTE) coverage. Ypsilon (talk) 13:11, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I sometimes refer to that where Nperf is unhelpful. But it's less informative or user-friendly, so I recommend sticking with Nperf alone, a standardised approach.
 * Examples of editing rules of thumb might be: be inclined to include coverage even for poor outline pages, but if it's near empty just skip it. A single entry will suffice for most metropolises. If existing content is dated 2021 or later, leave it be, but be inclined to delete anything undated. Thus for Rovaniemi I'd certainly delete the hotel lobby, they must be fed up with freeloader non-residents, but I'd look to see if the library was still available, since I guess you could print. "Wifi is widely available in public places" covers the rest of it.
 * Not to assume your sign-up, but perhaps the rest of you are sufficiently curious to give this a go, then we take stock? Then within France, Hauts-de-France has 18 cities, Lower Normandy 19, Upper Normandy 7, and Brittany 30. Try these? If France is completed I'd propose somewhere in another continent then another, to avoid bias. Grahamsands (talk) 17:29, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 3.5 days later, no edits have been made in the suggested regions, so this project looks stalled. If folk find the task tedious, daunting or low-value it would help to state those reasons. I only proposed it as a quick win; timing myself over Bouches-du-Rhone averaged 3 min per page, half of which was squinting at a sea of purple and brown on the Nperf map to find the villages. As it stands, WV has a credibility problem: visitors in Normandy are being directed to the post office and those in Rovaniemi to try to cadge a connection at the Santa Claus Hotel. Grahamsands (talk) 10:48, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Adding Understand section headings
When wandering from article to article looking for interesting things to add to WV:Discover, I every now and then see that the Understand heading is missing from destination articles. The heading is part of the standard template for all types of destination articles (except city districts), and most other types of articles too, so these articles should have it.

Interestingly, the destination articles where the heading is missing often have a quite long lead section, which makes it look like there was once an Understand section heading but someone removed it and merged the content with the text in the lead section. Ypsilon (talk) 09:53, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

 * Seems probable. I was in the belief that the heading was indeed missing for small cities, although I myself has tried to include it when creating articles (and it seems it was in the template already when I joined). –LPfi (talk) 10:32, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Understand was added to the small city template in 2009, so any cities created in the first 5 years only have it if it was added manually. It has been part of the big city template since 2004. AlasdairW (talk) 22:12, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

 * Except for district articles (and maybe IDK dive articles?), they are a standard section, so it does surprise me when many articles omit this section. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 13:21, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

 * Another interesting thing; when you notice one article without the Understand heading, go up one level to the bottom-level region and then check out all the other articles listed in the region and you may find some more articles that need this fix. I just did it for cities in Mississippi Delta and Go next places in Odense, and found a great deal of them. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:19, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

 * From memory, this was tackled about 4 years ago, or rather there were three intertwined initiatives:
 * - that each city page should state its population, rather than use vague terms like "large".
 * - that any city over 10,000 population, and any higher-level region, should have an Understand section. This became embedded in the page templates.
 * - that any city of usable or better quality should have a lede of more than 100 characters, and is the preferred place to state the population.
 * Any city with a bulky lede but no Understand probably predates these initiatives; the obvious fix is to divide the content. Grahamsands (talk) 17:43, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

your proposal sounds like a worthy project, but I should caution you that my attempt to revive collaborations has not had much success. Since posting the above collaboration here, I don't know if anyone other than me has worked on this articles. Consequently, I don't have any problem replacing it with a new collaboration. Group projects always seem like a good idea, but my experience with here and in Wikipedia is that there is usually more interest in defining the project and determining how to do the work than in doing the work. I don't want to discourage you from this, but prepare you for the likelihood that if you want something done, you should plan to do it yourself. Ground Zero (talk) 11:59, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I reached that conclusion long ago for life in general as well as for WV, but wanted to support the revival of CoTM. I can think of other proposals but conceive no reason why they wouldn't likewise flop. Yet WV has in the past run collaborations, expeditions and the like, so I don't know if any change in the contributor base is working against this. Grahamsands (talk) 21:16, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It's probably worth swapping the Featured Collaboration out with your proposal as an experiment to see if a different project will attract more interest. If it doesn't, then I think we should shut down this page. If it does, then it's so much the better for Wikivoyage. Let's hope it works. Ground Zero (talk) 22:29, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I usually do take a look at this kind of collaborations and check a number of articles for the weaknesses suggested. In that way the projects aren't totally wasted on me. I suppose I should tell about such efforts to encourage those who suggest the projects. However, I usually don't make them my focus for any longer time, just pick some low-hanging fruit from the closest trees. –LPfi (talk) 06:42, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Updating the featured collaboration
To update the featured collaboration you should:

 * 1) Remove the current collaboration from this page and move the next one up.
 * 2) Move the current collaboration to the Previous collaborations page.

title: Wikivoyage:Featured collaboration