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Talk:Shanghai/French Concession

Feel free to upload it here for use: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:French_Concession_building_-_Shanghai.JPG

--commons:User:pfctdayelise 05:07, 13 Feb 2006 (EST)

Cache problem?
Is this page experiencing a cache issue? Image markups are listed in See yet there are no images viewable...anyone else having trouble seeing 2 photos below the top one?(WT-en) Zepppep 09:41, 7 January 2010 (EST)

 * I see them—it's the dreaded cache problem, no doubt. Try refreshing your browser window. If that doesn't work, click edit, then click the "purge cache of this page" link at the very bottom of the screen, and then refresh the article once more. (Yes, this is ridiculous.) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:16, 7 January 2010 (EST)

Page banner
I was just about to add this banner only to find out the picture is there already... hmmm. Danapit (talk) 12:34, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

 * If you can find one, it might be better to use a photo of the interesting older buildings. Search terms might be the district names "xuhui" and "luwan" or street/neighborhood names (French_Concession) instead of "French Concession". Pashley (talk) 13:07, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Would this be more suitable? Danapit (talk) 13:24, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

 * I like it, so I've put it in. We could always change later if something even better appears. Pashley (talk) 13:50, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

 * For the record, I find the Xujiahui banner so much better! PrinceGloria (talk) 06:03, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Key memory for me is the tree lined streets with European architecture. Nice if we could find a banner with that... --Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:39, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Dates for Sun yat-sen?
Our text about Sun's house under Shanghai/French_Concession currently says "The house was the Shanghai residence of Sun Yat-sen and his wife Soong Ching Ling from 1918-1937." This seems odd, since Sun died in 1925. Also, the capital was Nanjing and he mostly lived there; of course he may have had a Shanghai house too, but that may need checking. Pashley (talk) 16:25, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Also, her father Charlie Soong died in 1918 and she wound up with that house, which we also list. Was that immediate, or did one of her siblings have it before her, perhaps until they all left for Taiwan in '49? A biography I read mentioned she had her own Shanghai house before moving into dad's old place. Pashley (talk) 16:46, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Dividing #See
I want to extend the #See section. New entries: There might be more. The current divisions under #See are some areas, and Political history is topic-based. What is not yet there is Xujiahui (entries 1-3) and Parks. The big dilemma will be, what to do with parks in Xujiahui. How about adding a South Xuhui title, that covers entries 4-7 in (Middle and) South Xuhui and acts like an Other Areas title? (As you might have guessed, i live in South Xuhui.) By the way, in some SH districts the parks are to #See, while in others to #Do.Szalai.laci (talk) 05:45, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * 1 Xujiahui Park
 * 2 Guangqi Park
 * 3 St. Ignatius Cathedral
 * 4 Guilin Park
 * 5 Caoxi Park,
 * 6 Shanghai Botanical Garden
 * 7 Shanghai Normal University

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Talk:Shanghai/Hongkou

Holy smokes! I don't think the Help section on How to add an image is step-by-step! I've successfully uploaded an image to Shared (can't seem to find it using the search function though) but not sure how to get it on the article...(WT-en) Zepppep 18:00, 4 January 2010 (EST)

 * You almost had it right, the JPG is case sensitive, so I changed it to all caps and it works (I also added a 250px size parameter, the standard for all but the lead image in the article). However a problem still remains.... you need to open the image in an image editor on your computer and rotate it so that it isn't sideways.... that's not doable within the site :) – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 18:15, 4 January 2010 (EST)

 * Thank you very much! But apparently by keeping the same name, I can't delete the old file on Shared. Now I see WT is pulling the file incorrectly, perhaps. If you look at Shared, New Gallery Posts, you'll see I've adjusted the direction of the picture and saved that one yet this article is still using the horizontal (original) file.(WT-en) Zepppep 12:43, 5 January 2010 (EST)

 * It appears corrected now. I made it even smaller, to 150, and magically it made the pic vertical...feel free to revert it to 250 if you'd like (or let me know and I can do it...just not sure if that'll change it back to vertical).

Page banner
Does anyone else think that the banner image is a little wrong for the district? The Waibaidu Bridge and Russian Consulate, while technically within the Hongkou District, are really more associated with the Bund and Huangpu just to the south. Perhaps it would be better to have a banner evoking Lu Xun Park, which seems to be the feature of Hongkou most recommended to travelers. I think this image has potential for that. 19:31, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ Daniel Case (talk) 05:50, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Sorry, but this banner is too small (see Banner_Expedition). I'll try and find a larger one. Andrewssi2 (talk) 13:08, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

 * Wikimedia doesn;t seem to have much so I checked out some CC Flickr images. Do any of these grab you? Andrewssi2 (talk) 13:29, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

 * Football stadium - nighttime
 * Street scene
 * Nicer one of park
 * Good cityscape

 * If find the street scene too busy. Any of the others might work, depending on cropping. Pashley (talk) 20:04, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

title: Talk:Shanghai/Hongkou


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Talk:Shanghai/Pudong

External link
I just added an external link in the lead paragraph. Despite policy, I think this is justified; the photos are stunning and directly relevant to the article, and Commons neither has nor is likely to have an equivalent. Comments? Pashley (talk) 14:17, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

 * Moved down to a later paragraph & the text explaining what it links to expanded some. Pashley (talk) 17:47, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Two issues I have with the beginning of this page
Based on my recent visit there ...

 * The banner image. A view of the tops of two other towers from one doesn't really strike me. Not only does it not lend itself well to the horizontal format, it doesn't really tell me much about Pudong. I have one of the walkways above the traffic circle near the Pearl Tower that I think would work better.

 * The two maps. Someone's pretty determined to clarify the difference between Pudong and Nanhui here. I understand why, but we don't need two maps for this—much less this squeezing of text between them. We're confusing people. Perhaps one map showing the difference would be better? Daniel Case (talk) 15:12, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Please, feel free to add other suitable banner. Danapit (talk) 15:22, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Sure, add the new banner. If others disagree that it is an improvement, it can be reverted.
 * How's this one? Daniel Case (talk) 06:24, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

 * The someone who created the current two-map mess was me. I agree that it is far from ideal, but it was the best I could do using existing maps I found on Commons. I have zero graphic/map-making skill, so I am not about to fix it. If you can, by all means go ahead. See also Talk:Shanghai and the discussion above that. Pashley (talk) 16:26, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Both problems are now solved; new banner is in & the two maps are gone. The Pudong/Nanhui distinction is now dealt with differently in the lede here and explained in more detail at Shanghai/Pudong New Area. Pashley (talk)

Alternative banner for this article?
In my opinion, it would be better to have a banner that shows the famous Pudong skyline at night. Which banner do you prefer for this article? (maybe you have ideas for better alternatives?)

CC the main users whom have worked on the Shanghai articles: Pashley, Szalai.laci, Xsobev, Andrewssi2

ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 21:08, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

 * I'm not wild about the current banner, but it is OK.

 * The proposed one, absolutely not as a Pudong banner. It is a distorted/artificial panorama & only about the central third of it is Pudong. We have something similar as a Shanghai banner; that's OK & it might even be worth considering if this banner might be an improvement there, but not for Pudong. Pashley (talk) 21:40, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

 * If you want a banner that "shows the famous Pudong skyline" (at night or otherwise) then Commons has many photos that might be cropped to suit; I've linked to one example. In a way, this is a fine idea; the skyline is indeed famous, very common on postcards, in tourist snapshots, in guidebooks, etc. There's a reason for that; it is a very striking view.

 * In another way, the suggestion is distinctly annoying; we already have such a photo at Shanghai and in the intro to Shanghai/Pudong, and we link to "Pudong Miracle" photos showing the same view in 1990 and 2010. Enough, already.

 * What do others think here? Pashley (talk) 21:59, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

 * I personally find Pudong_banner.jpg stunning! Beautiful composition. And the skyline is what Pudong is famous for. To avoid overusage of this skyline picture it should be removed out of the article in my optionion. --Renek78 (talk) 22:33, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

 * I agree, it is a fine image, but it is not Pudong. The central third is Lujiazui, a Pudong district, but the outer two thirds are Puxi not Pudong. Pashley (talk) 22:50, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

 * I totally agree, it's mostly not Pudong. I would use another night picture that looks like the middle of this. Pashley's point that the skyline gets overused is true, but adding one with the night view and removing one of the day views (Maybe this one with the title Lujiazui) just reduces this problem; makes it more diverse. I also want it to look not-too-bad on mobile, given we are in China. Mobile (Chrome on iOS) shows the second quarter of the banners (not sure why), so you will see a portion starting from half-left to the center. A mobile app, WikiSurfer, replaces these banners with the first "image=" value that occurs in the page (first listing), which is very wrong but nothing to do here. Szalai.laci (talk) 03:37, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

 * Cutting Pudong_banner.jpg to show only the middle, also makes sense for me.Szalai.laci (talk) 06:07, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Szalai.laci + Pashley + Renek78: how about this one.... ? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 16:43, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

 * No! Not even close. Still only the center third of it is Pudong & the vertical trimming makes it look much worse than the original proposal.

 * To be clear, I like the original proposed banner quite a lot as an image of Shanghai, would support using in in that article. But as an image for Pudong it reminds me of those awful Facebook pages where someone has used a group shot as their profile picture & you've no idea which one is him or her. Pashley (talk) 18:21, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

 * Pashley, unfortunately Wikioyage does not employ a professional photographer at Shanghai whom would take the perfect photo we can all agree on here in the discussion page... and therefore, if you won't be able to make+upload a better alternative banner, please write which of the banners shown above you prefer for this article (I assume you prefer the old one which is currently used). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 19:28, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

 * As I said, "I'm not wild about the current banner". I'd probably support replacing it if someone came up with a better one.
 * Your first proposal is a fine image, but it fails miserably as a Pudong banner because only about a third of it is Pudong. Your second proposal is an inferior image & does not fix the problem; it is still mostly Puxi. Pashley (talk) 18:02, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Guide? DotM?
What would it take to get this up to a Guide rating so it could be nominated for D of the Month? The main problem I see is a bunch of dead links. Is the article also out-of-date in other ways?

It was nominated a few years back & sent to the slush pile. Problems pointed out there should be fixed before re-nominating. Pashley (talk) 06:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

 * Without looking at the article or being up to date on Shanghai myself (the last time I was there was in 2004), I would strongly urge everyone not to nominate this article until we're pretty sure the Chinese government is not going to put the city or sections of it in strict lockdowns again. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:39, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

 * I agree. From accounts I have seen the lockdowns in Shanghai have been incredibly tight & I don't know the current situation. Pashley (talk) 09:05, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

 * I'd say let's wait until China ends their zero-COVID policy before we feature any Chinese destinations for DoTM. As it stands right now, foreigners are not allowed to enter China for tourism. Foreigners who are living in China can still visit, but who knows when it will go into lockdown again? The dog2 (talk) 18:40, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * None of the issues that were brought up in Destination of the month candidates/Slush pile have been fixed so far. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:21, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Shanghai/Putuo

OK, since no one else is doing anything here, I'll fill in with what I can, since I actually live in this part of Shanghai. I apologize in advance if it's not perfect, since there may be things in the area that I am unaware of. 58.34.234.7 11:13, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

page banner
Would you like one of these? Danapit (talk) 12:45, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I liked third one. --Saqib (talk) 12:47, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Personally, I like #2 best, then #1. #3 is my least favourite. Let's hear what Pashley says. Oh, and I hope Jade Buddha Temple is actually in this part of Shanghai...Danapit (talk) 12:51, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, this temple is in Jing'an district. --Saqib (talk) 12:58, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Ups, one shouldn't rely so much on wiki. Danapit (talk) 13:03, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

 * I like them (order 1, 2, 3 for me) but that temple is in Jing'an. North end, close to Putuo, but not there. In fact, the Jing'an banner already uses an image from that temple. Pashley (talk) 14:13, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I see. If you like #1 better than the current Jing'an banner, we can as well change it. Otherwise I have no idea what pic from commos to use for Putuo district. Again, there is plenty of stations pix, but... Danapit (talk) 14:20, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Shanghai Tour

Promotional?
I deleted a previous article on the basis of Project:Activity listings. Is this an itinerary for independent travelers or does it somehow promote a particular agency's tour? (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 03:53, 28 January 2012 (EST)

 * I initially assumed it was a commercial itinerary, but after looking more closely it seemed more like Hong Kong in a day or a similar article. As a result I'm not sure there is a clear reason to delete it per policy, although the "outline topic for a year" criteria might be applicable.  Note that the title should definitely be changed as it does sound promotional. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:29, 28 January 2012 (EST)

It appears to be a copyright violation from a commercial tour offered here. If it were new, I'd speedy delete. As is, I'll vfd it. Pashley (talk) 01:46, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

title: Talk:Shanghai Tour


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Talk:Shanghai/Western Suburbs

Why is this article named "Northern Suburbs"? Minhang is included and it is more-or-less due South of downtown. To get there, you pass Shanghai South railway station on line 1. continue South to the end of that line, then take line 5 further South. This may well be a valid way to group districts, but can we please call it "Western Suburbs"? (WT-en) Pashley 00:36, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

 * Agree, I was wondering about this as well. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 07:51, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

title: Talk:Shanghai/Western Suburbs


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Talk:Shanghai for the first-timer

Comments
The Bund Sightseeing Tunnel is a useless tourist trap and should be removed from this itinerary. Finding the towers by metro is just as easy. 58.35.92.226 04:49, 22 February 2011 (EST)

What next?
What should be done with this article? The last substantive edit — actually changing text as opposed to things like adding a banner or updating a "Get out" header to "Go next" — was in 2011 and it has been tagged for merging to Shanghai for over a year, so there's a good case for doing the merge and either making this a redirect or just deleting it.

On the other hand, Shanghai has 23 million people — roughly the population of Australia and considerably larger than London or New York — and it is a Chinese city, so it can certainly be overwhelming for a first-time visitor. It is also one of the world's most visited cities; see the 'F' column at World cities/Large. There is also a good case that an article along these lines is a fine idea.

Opinions? Volunteers for the considerable work that would be needed to make a really good article of this? Pashley (talk) 17:50, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

 * The article needs some cleanup to make the text more fluent, perhaps some more attractions, a couple of good pictures and a map or at least a dynamic map with the PointsOfInterest. And someone who has some first hand knowledge of Shanghai (yourself, User:Andrewssi2, who else? some Chinese Wikivoyagers?). ϒpsilon (talk) 19:53, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

 * I can't think of any information that this article would cover that shouldn't be in the Shanghai article, and as such can't imagine that anything other than a merge would be the right option, otherwise we'll have a lot of unnecessary duplication. What is an article? and Itineraries are pretty clear that we shouldn't split up city information unless there is a clear and obvious reason for doing so. -- Ryan • (talk) • 20:16, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

 * I'm actually 50:50 on this one. I have been living in Shanghai for over 2 months now, and I am still very much overwhelmed! For the first time visitor is is actually very difficult to know where to start. On the other hand I agree completely that articles should not be split up.
 * By the way, the itinerary reads like a 'Choose your own adventure' book (without the choice). My main concern actually is who would actually follow this guide verbatim, if at all? I would prefer a dynamic map with the 'top 15' attractions. Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:03, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Even though the city is pretty big, but looking at the city's district articles, I found there're almost same number of sights to see and activities to do as in other big cities. I can't figure out how a first timer can be overwhelmed? --Saqib (talk) 01:12, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

 * I would say that for the first time traveler, the 'Bund' area is a natural starting point. After that it does become confusing. User:Pashley has done an awesome job in breaking up the districts into usable pieces, however some suggested itineraries would have been useful to me when I first arrived. The itinerary would not be a long story but a short bullet point list in the main article like this:

 * Andrewssi2 (talk) 03:16, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

 * There is some itinerary-ish material, very brief, at Shanghai. Pashley (talk) 12:48, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Shangrila

My understanding is that Shangrila is the new name for the whole prefecture. I suspect the city should still be called Zhongdian. There's also a Tibetan name for it which I've forgotten. (WT-en) Pashley 23:20, 10 March 2007 (EST)

Should we move this to Zhongdian, and make Shangrila a disambiguation page with links here and to Hunza Valley and Ladakh, both of which some writers claim (e.g. at Karakoram highway) were the original inspiration for the Shangrila novel. "Zhongdian" is certainly still used, e.g. the bus station signs show routes to Zhongdian, not Shangrila. But the tour companies say Shangrila. (WT-en) Pashley 22:45, 19 January 2008 (EST)

Infobox
I just removed an info box that I think is outdated. Preserving the content here.

If I'm wrong, put it back or (better, I think) add up-to-date info elsewhere in the article. Pashley (talk) 17:02, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Shankarpur

( Do not stay here as the srvice is absolutely awful. It takes two hours for a bottle of water to be delivered to your room.Lunch HAS to be completed within 2PM, dinner within 10.30PM, no food after that. No food is delivered to your room, you have to walk down to the dinner hall to eat. No room service after 10PM or before 8AM. The place reeks of typical West Bengal govt. service mentality.No ice or water available if you want to drink. IN SHORT, AVOID THIS PLACE LIKE THE PLAGUE)

Protection
See Talk:Mandarmani --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:57, 25 September 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Shannon

Comments
Removed information on CityLink service between Shannon Airport and Galway as it no longer exists.

By train
Shannon has no train station. The following should be summarized at Limerick (though some of it should be only at Ireland and other content should be omitted):

Iarnród Éireann (Irish Rail) is the main rail company serving the country, with InterCity services (the one you'll be riding if you're traveling to Shannon), Commuter lines based in and around Dublin, and the Dublin Area Rapid Transit (DART) which is the metro system for Dublin. There are 8 different ticket types: for adults (over 16 years old), you can either pay adult single, a one-way ticket and the cheapest option; adult day return, a round-trip ticket with a return the same day, and a slightly more expensive option; and an adult open return ticket, a round-trip ticket with a return at any time within 30 days, which is the most expensive option. Student tickets are the cheapest, with student single or student return tickets, the latter of which are slightly more expensive. Children under 5 years old don't need a ticket to travel, just a reserved seat, while children ages 5 to 15 are discounted half of the appropriate adult fare.

The Limerick Colbert train station is the main one in the area, serving 2,500 passengers a day on four different lines. Perhaps the most major one is the the Dublin to Cork route, connecting the three largest cities in the country. It starts at the capital and largest city on Ireland on the east coast of the island, Dublin at its Heuston Station, through the country (mostly following the M7 highway until Ballybrophy where it diverts along the N62, the M8, then the N74 and N24) with 8 stops until it reaches Limerick Junction then the actual Limerick station. From here, it returns to Limerick Junction, then traveling southwest to Charleville and Mallow until finally ending at the major Kent Station in Cork on the southwest shore of the country. Unforunately, prices on this route are quite expensive. While a price calculator can be found on the website, open return round-trip prices from Dublin Heuston to Limerick Colbert are €72.40 (£61.80, US$80.90) for adults, €26 (£22.19, US$29.05) for students, and €132 (£112.68, US$147.50) for families. Limerick Colbert to Cork Kent one-way prices are €51.65 (£44.09, US$57.71) for adults, €25 (£21.34, US$27.93) for students, and €93 (£79.39, US$103.92) for families.

If you're looking to stay along the beautiful west coast of the country, there's also the Western Rail Corridor. a short hop between Limerick and the Galway Ceannt station, located in the 6th most populous city in the country, stopping at Sixmilebridge, Ennis, Gort, Ardrahan, and Craughwell on the way. Prices here are far cheaper than Dublin to Limerick or Limerick to Cork, with open return trips costing €35.25 (£30.09, US$39.39) for adults, €22.50 (£19.21, US$25.14) for students, and €87 (£74.27, US$97.21) for families.

If you have money to splurge, then certainly don't miss out on the undeniably beautiful and peaceful train rides throughout the lush and never-ending countrysides and glistening oceans, especially if you want a quick and easy visit to Shannon as opposed to longer and more inconsistent bus rides.

Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:04, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Tone
A lot of this article is really in violation of at least the spirit of Don't tout. If everything is "ideal" and so forth, then none of the descriptions hold any water for the - to take another overused expression - "savvy traveller". Let's please describe more, use fewer superlatives and no hard-sell language, and just present relevant facts as briefly as we reasonably can. That's how we make this article user-friendly. Anything else will turn off a lot of folks who've seen this kind of pitch in several languages from tourist bureaux and travel agencies all over the world. I've made a start at editing out some of the chaff, but there's a lot to get through, and it'll take a fine-toothed comb and some time. Please help. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:21, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

 * Tone: Not to be confused with Wolfe Tone: ✅ Grahamsands (talk) 09:01, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Impressive work! Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:28, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

title: Talk:Shannon


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Talk:Shark Bay

Monkey Mia, Denham
I've redirected those towns here. They can be split later, should they ever overwhelm this region.

Banner
How about a banner that's not off the very first image in the article? I think this new one also represents the region better, based on ads I've seen. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:42, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

 * It's also a higher-quality photo. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:36, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

 * For the reasons above I prefer banner 1, but it needs to be rotated from the right so the sea appears level. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 15:45, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I've rotated it accordingly. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 15:48, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks :). Looks much better now. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:38, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:44, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Sharm el-Sheikh

Sources for further research

 * Sharm Guide --(WT-en) Cacahuate 05:53, 2 December 2006 (EST)
 * Map of major hotels and resorts in Sharm found at Pacha's site --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:51, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Ministry of Sound listings
I wondering why a Ministry of Sound listing appeared in the listing, as long as it is merely based in Pacha (according to address). I added Pacha itself to the listing, and vote for removal of Ministry of Sound if noone appear to explain what it is actually about. For now, I only removed URL (http://www.djmenno.com) from Ministry of Sound listing, as long as they don't seem to be related in any way. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:56, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Diving: safari and operators
I have a question on the following piece:
 * Smarter divers book a diving safari. This way you avoid the crowds at the popular spots and have the possibility to dive beautiful reefs way beyond the reach of any daytripping boats. The overall costs of a diving safari does not exceed daily diving and it saves you a lot of stress.

Can we give a more detailed description of what's diving safari is really all about? Right now it's very unclear what's difference between safari and daily diving.

And when we list Reputable operators include:, do we mean only operators for safari, or for any diving activities? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 17:11, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

Phone, time data?
Why not to print how to call there, what timezone there is etc.? 83.167.100.5 16:33, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

 * You can add a section called "contact" between "sleep" and "get out" which can have a local dialing code, if it's specific to Sharm. The timezone info and anything that applies to the whole country should be (and is) on the Egypt page. – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 17:56, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

Lebanese cuisine at Fawanes
I restored "Lebanese cuisine" for Fawanes Cafe. Ansary, could you please explain why you've removed it? Fawanes does declare that it has Lebanese cuisine--if reality doesn't meet this declaration, could you please explain why?

BTW, please review Project:Don't tout and Project:Be fair for the description of Beirut Bay, as currently it's very touting. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 05:26, 23 June 2007 (EDT)

dining in Naama Bay if you stay in non-Naama hotel
Re this edit I wonder for which hotels does this statement applies:
 * taxis tend to be an expensive way to get in and out of Na'ama bay at night

As far as I know, taxi from/to most of the outside-of-Naama hotels is quite cheap (at least, it used to be in March 2007). For now, I am reverting this piece to the previous version. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:14, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Downed Russian plane
Should a Warningbox be added to this page after the matter of the downed Russian plane which has caused the British government to stop all flights over the Sinai peninsular because it may have been a bomb by ISIS. Seeing as British tourists are stranded in Sinai/Sharm el Sheikh, a warning letting people know what is happening would be good, wouldn't it?  Seagull123  Φ  18:19, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * If it provides useful info that allows visitors to this area to make informed decisions then go ahead, but if we're just responding to a news item and posting generic text that summarizes news reports ("this region may or may not be dangerous because a plane crashed here"), I don't think that would be of use to visitors. -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:00, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * But in this case, the news also includes flight cancellations, which are surely important to travellers. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Sharpsburg

nice job but needs better maps. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 69.134.78.96 (talk • contribs)

 * Project:How to draw a map. Go for it. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:01, 11 May 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Shasta Cascades

Map
See the Calfornia Tourism Site for an approximate map of this region. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 15:47, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:Shawnee

Does anybody have the contact info for Noah's Ark Petting Zoo? 164.58.89.3 11:37, 26 February 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Sheffield

Hi,

My first contribution to wikivoyage. Having lived in Sheffield I think the climbing should be more emphasized. There are a lot of climbing gyms in Sheffield and the Peak district is very close. The quality of the climbing and the ease of access makes Sheffield quite unique - Erik
 * Please plunge forward and add the information under the 'Do' section. However, facilities that are outside Sheffield should be listed on their specific article, though they can be referred to in the Sheffield 'Get out' section - eg Mountain village - X kms from Sheffield - offers excellent climbing opportunities. (WT-en) WindHorse 22:38, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Districts
Can anyone who knows Sheffield glance over the Districts section and confirm that that's a good way to break up the city? Most of them haven't been created yet, but those red links are alluring, so it would pay to set it up well from the start rather than have to reshuffle everything later. It's often most helpful if there's a map to assist in the breaking up of the districts. – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 19:28, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Are there really enough attractions at the likes of Victoria Quays to have separate articles? (WT-en) Nurg 23:18, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

 * I got the same impression when I looked at this article yesterday—a few too many. Do you have any suggestions as to how to combine them? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:15, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

 * I don't know whether there is justification for having district articles at all. They could all be merged into the main article and it would hardly be any bigger. Eleven districts - all of them red links, stubs or containing trivia - is ludicrous. (WT-en) Nurg 07:04, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

 * Ah, I hadn't checked the actual blue links—there's little to no content in any of them. I think merging them back into the main article, and getting rid of the districts section, is a good idea. Then lets move the old districts list, sans links, to this talk page for reference. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 12:37, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
 * yes, good idea. (WT-en) Nurg 08:03, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

OK, here it is for reference.
 * Heart of the City. Architecturally magnificent area of Sheffield City Centre, containing the Central library and Graves art gallery, Millennium Galleries, Millennium Square, Peace Gardens, Tudor Square and the Sheffield theatres, Winter Gardens, Town Hall, and a wealth of shops on Pinstone Street.
 * Victoria Quays. Rejuvenated quayside area just North of the City Centre.
 * Sheaf Square. Fantastic new gateway to the city, adjacent to Midland station. The cascading fountains and steel blade waterfall sculpture look magnificent, especially when illuminated at night.
 * Fargate. The city's main shopping street, impressive architecture lines this broad pedestrianised street, home to the council-backed Sheffield markets and the continental market, serving a delicious wealth of European cuisine.
 * The West End. Dubbed so by poet John Betjamin, The West End reaches from Glossop Road, past the University of Sheffield, up to Weston Park and the museum, and to the trendy student suburb that is Broomhill.
 * Devonshire Quarter. Stylish area stuffed to bursting with boutiques and outlets, as well as pubs, bars, cafes, and restaurants. As well as the thriving Devonshire Street there is also the recently built West One complex which contains several bars, restaurants and shops.
 * Ecclesall. The area reaching down from the leafy suburb itself with its imposing church, down through the bustling Banner Cross and Hunters Bar areas, and down to Collegiate campus of Sheffield Hallam University, with decent shopping and a buzzing nightlife.
 * London Road. Home to Sheffield's burgeoning Chinese population as well as long established Pakistani, Italian and Polish communities, the multi cultural cuisine and the lights of London Road are hard to resist.
 * Dore. Picturesque suburb of Sheffield between Ecclesall and Chancet Woods, where the Sheaf and Hope Valley edges brush up against each other providing outstanding natural beauty and a base for some great walks. Home to the fantastic Abbeydale Industrial Hamlet, and only 10 minutes South of Midland Station on the train.
 * Don Valley. Area of Industrial magnificence, as well as some brilliant attractions, the Ski Village, Kelham Island museum, and Don Valley Stadium to name a few. A walk down the river or the canal provides an unrivalled insight into Industrial Britain
 * Meadowhall. One of the largest shopping centres in Europe, every retail name thinkable has an outlet here. Easily reachable by bus, train, or tram (yellow and purple route services to Meadowhall).

Peaks / Peak
There were a number of references to "The Peaks" as a common term for "The Peak District".

This is incorrect and they should read "The Peak" (as on the main Peak District page)

I've corrected all references that I've found in this page.

"Peak" doesn't refer to mountains, but an old tribe that lived in the area. See http://www.peakdistrict-nationalpark.com/peak-district-history.aspx

''The Peak District actually gets its name from the Dark Age, Saxon settlers of the area. The name of the tribe which occupied the Peak 1,000 years ago was the Pecsaetan – the dwellers of the pecs or hills. The name seems to have been first used around 700 AD, to distinguish the hill-dwellers from the Mercians from the surrounding lowlands of the Midland shires.''

Borker (talk) 20:29, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's interesting. I always assumed "the Peaks" was used in the same way as "the Lakes" is for the Lake District. One thing I can't stand (however correct it may be or my not be) is the use of "the Peak Park" instead of "Peak District National Park". Silly, I know, but that's what I'm like... --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 02:00, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Nearest Supertram / rail / bus
Some of you may have noticed that I have added a "nearest transport" feature to a number of the attractions. Of particular importance for the future I think would be if all the attractions (save the restaurants / bars etc) should have at the very least a brief list of the bus routes that stop nearby. It would be very helpful if you know a particular district or attraction quite well to add such a list. I can't be the only one that finds transport information in Sheffield harder to come by than it should be so as much useful info should be included on this article to help visitors. From a self-intrested perspective, it could also increase the chances of this article's level being upgraded :) --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 01:02, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Sheffield's image in popular culture
I can't help desperately wanting to include it somewhere here:

Sorry, couldn't help... PrinceGloria (talk) 16:18, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Parking at Doncaster Airport
Do we really need information on long-stay p rking at the airport? This is a guide for people travelling to Sheffield from elsewhere and as such I'd have thought car hire info would be far more helpful. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:38, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

 * Manchester had a similar table (I think Leeds does too), but I moved it to the Manchester Airport page when that was created. Robin Hood probably isn't large enough to sustain its own article, but I wonder whether that table would fit better in Doncaster as that's that airport's first name? --Nick talk 17:30, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

 * Feel free to replace it with something more relevant, the table was something I think I added a while back when I was trying to bring Sheffield in line with other UK large city articles. I'm not sure it would be much more suited to the Doncaster article however, as the airport is designed to primarily serve this city, being a replacement for the now defunct 'Sheffield City International'. -- Half past (formerly 'SUFCboy') 17:57, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Kenwood Hall
, I noticed the Principal Hayley hotel Kenwood Hall is not listed, can we have it listed? Most likely under further out as it is one mile away from the city center. Send me a message if you require any details not public on the website VerbInteractive (talk) 20:55, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

 * By all means, go ahead and list it. I have heard it's not very good, from relatives who have stayed there while visiting me, but it is a relatively major hotel in the city so if you think it should be on WV, I won't stop you. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:50, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Thanks, the only issue is I represent the company, so I can't add the listings. I can provide the factual information if you, or someone else in the community, would like to add a description and add it

VerbInteractive (talk) 13:24, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

 * One question: Does it belong under "City Centre"? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:56, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Ahh, I see. Thanks for the info, and for abiding by the advertising rules, I'll add it. Ikan, it's not in the city centre but a couple of miles to the south in a leafy (and very pretty) suburb. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:10, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Our copyright is being infringed
Please see Wikivoyage_talk:Non-compliant_redistribution for details, but in short there is content on this page that has been republished elsewhere without observing the terms of our CC Licence. Your input on what we should do next is requested on the talk page of Non-compliant redistribution. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:48, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Shei-pa National Park

is Wuling Farm part of this national park? 182.9.199.216 11:28, 14 June 2012 (EDT).

It is part of Shei-pa National Park. There are parts that are incorrect, or have changed. I just finished a Snow Mountain hike and have current info for Wuling Farm and will start updating it. Riverrootstravel (talk) 08:19, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

County for Guanwu Recreation Area
I see the following on the website: "Guanwu Recreation Area is in the northwest of Shei-pa National Park on the border of Wufeng Township in Xinzhu County and Tai-an Township in Miaoli County." That differs from the info on the page. I do not know enough yet about that area to change it.

Seperate page for Wuling Farm
After working on this for awhile, I think that Wuling Farm needs a separate page. Possibly all of the 4 areas if they are as large and have as many facilities. I have only been to Wuling Farm so I will have to defer... Riverrootstravel (talk) 00:40, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Sheki

Sheki Rayonu/Sheki Maps
How do we put Sheki city under Sheki Rayonu? Also, I will put the Sheki maps up because I got authorization from the Norwegian embassy to use the images from their guide.

Kish and Sheki
Guys, should we combine Kish and Sheki as they are in the same region? Or should they be separate? (WT-en) Cupcakecommander 08:44, 18 June 2007 (EDT)
 * If they are seperate places, it's best to leave them seperate - people will fill up the empty space at some stage -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 05:18, 4 August 2007 (EDT)
 * It is just that in most Sheki guides they are lumped together, and they are only 5 km apart. (WT-en) Cupcakecommander 01:11, 6 August 2007 (EDT)
 * It's true that most guides lump the two together, but then again, our guide differs from all the others in that it does not suck. I would love to see a real article just on Kish, it is enough of an attraction in my view and that will flesh out the region better than just cramming content into the Sheki guide. We can make it clear in the "understand" and "get out" sections of both articles that they are within 5km of each other and that both warrant a visit. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:00, 7 August 2007 (EDT)

 * Shouldn't the Sheki page mention Kish, in the intro & perhaps "get out"? (WT-en) Pashley 20:48, 15 November 2008 (EST)

Naming standardization
We really need to have a standard spelling for the various attractions in Sheki. Caravansarai is, IMHO, the proper English rendition for what we are now calling everything from Caravan Saray to Caravan Palace. The Khan Palace is more complex, as there is no direct translation. I would prefer that we explain it as "The Palace of the Sheki Khans" and then entitle it using a transliteration from the Azeri: "Khansarai". Does this seem reasonable? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:45, 9 August 2007 (EDT)
 * I had wondered about the various different spellings we have on this page. What you suggest sounds reasonable enough -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 11:50, 10 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Sounds good to me too!(WT-en) Cupcakecommander 01:54, 13 August 2007 (EDT)

To Do List
Sheki's been nominated for OtBP, but there are several things that, in my mind, need to be done first:

 * Buy and Do need listings of actual places, rather than (or in addition to) general descriptions of what you can do. Names of establishments are needed.
 * Name standardization as per above
 * Map (I'll work on this)
 * The number of pictures should be reduced dramatically—there should probably be no more than 6-7 high quality images—and all of the images should be right-aligned thumbs.
 * The 2 itineraries could really use some tightening up and polish. The activities are good, but we need to be a friendlier guide and chat the visitor through the trip. See Along the Magnificent Mile (a Chicago itinerary) for an excellent example of how to do this.

These things taken care of, we could put this up as a OtBP destination of the month and start thinking about nominating it as a star! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:29, 13 August 2007 (EDT)
 * I think this is now quite close to OtBP-ready status. The most urgent addition is the map.  From the comments above, it looks as though the existing map has been OK'd for use by its creators, but (1) I worry that they might not have given as complete a release as needed for our purposes, and (2) it doesn't look like a Wikivoyage map.  Peter, how close to ready is the map you're working on? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:35, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

 * My map lacks only the listings icons, which would take less than an hour to put in. I was just waiting for Cupcakecommander to let me know some tea-house locations so we could have a drink section to the map. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:55, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

Listings
In addition to the ToDo list above, there is some more work to be done on the listings. The embassy's map that (WT-en) you uploaded has a bunch of good looking listings that are missing from our article. In particular there is an ancient Albanian church right near the city center and a bunch of bathhouses. I think we should have a "see" entry for the church. As for the bathhouses, we should list names and addresses/directions. If there isn't much different from one to another, we can just note that and skip descriptions (but recommendations would be good!).

Lastly, we really ought to have specific teahouse listings, if only so that I can put them on the map (which is basically done, except for putting in listings). Do the teahouses have individual names? Or are they just nondescript places with men drinking tea? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:47, 27 August 2007 (EDT)

Push for star
Sheki is really close to being a star, and in my opinion, only needs a few, relatively minor things done:

 * 1) Fewer hotel images—I'd say just the Caravansarai & maybe one of the Sheki Hotel tower + town center (I've got one of those)
 * 2) More attraction/general city photos—I have a few really nice ones, but does anyone have a good one of the Khansarai (without any identifiable people in it)?
 * 3) Hours information is needed for some attractions (Caravansarai, Juma Mosque, Silk Factory, Sheki Painting Gallery, Abduxaliq hamam)
 * 4) Hiking routes need to be better explained, step-by-step. We need to say, "take a taxi to Town X, then hike to destination X, then walk back along the road to Sheki"—that sort of thing, so the route is really clear to people who don't know the area.
 * 5) I'm not sure the bank locations are useful to travelers. I think we could just remove the list—anyone who is in a bind and needs a wire transfer or something like that will be able to simply ask someone "Where is a bank?"
 * 6) I'm also tempted to remove the entire "Learn" section. With no specifics, it isn't useful, brings down the quality of the article, and probably isn't necessary anyway.
 * 7) Restaurants need hours information & the Chelebi Khan Restaurant needs a description.
 * 8) Phone numbers need a standardized format. What is the country code and what is the city code?

That's it, and for anyone living there (ahem, User:(WT-en) Cupcakecommander), this should be really easy to finish. It would be great to have our first star article for the Caucasus! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:26, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

 * I will start working on it when I get to Sheki again-I was moved to Zaqatala in December. I've sent some English language youth groups in Sheki the details as well as the PCVs there, so I think that the list should be finished in 2 months. Is that soon enough :)? (WT-en) Cupcakecommander 15:05, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

 * No worries about timing—we're a wiki, so we have no deadlines! Anyway, I hope you're enjoying Zaqatala ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 09:37, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

We've made great progress on this, but we still need to accomplish points 4, 7, & 8, in order for this article to become one of our star articles. 8 in particular should be really easy to do. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:19, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

 * Any thoughts on the phone numbers? I will be in Sheki before I leave Azerbaijan for 5 days, so I hope I can get the rest done by then.. (WT-en) Cupcakecommander 07:58, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

 * Looks good! Just need hours for the rest of the restaurants, and more detailed info on how to find your way along the hikes. If they're really obvious, then we should at least note that. I'd head out on the hike with the current info, but I'm adventurous and have an internal GPS. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:09, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

 * I put as much information as I could find for the hikes. The last two I am still a bit unsure about, but I know certainly that the first two are flushed out well. I put the times up as well. Please let me know if there is anything that I could add, as I am here till Thursday.(WT-en) Cupcakecommander 03:37, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

 * Looks great! I'll try and do a quick read through for typos and formatting this week, and then I'll recommend you nominate it for star status. First though, Chelebi Khan, Kerpish, and Istanbul restaurants all still need hours. It would also be great to have hours for the tea house by the Khansarai (or maybe just a note in the drink section stating when tea houses in Sheki usually are open?). The hours information is really crucial for star status, but I think that's all that's left! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 09:08, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

 * Peter,let me know if there is anything else to do. I have one more day in Sheki before I go to the US. Thanks for your help!! (WT-en) Cupcakecommander 08:17, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

 * No, it looks fantastic to me, definitely star material. You might want to wait, though, before nominating it — I just started a discussion about using the 24 hour clock. Otherwise it might be necessary to use AM/PM time formats in this article for it to become a star. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 09:16, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

 * So, all it has to be is flush with either of the formats, right?(WT-en) Cupcakecommander 23:36, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

 * Yes, and it looks like we will change that policy article, based on the current opinions on that page, so I say nominate it whenever you like, provided all hours are on the 24hr clock. I look forward to our first Caucasian star! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:57, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

Star nomination
This article is the most developed article in the Caucus region and is quite through in its detail of sights, places to stay, and even some cultural insight to the city.

 * Support. I've already critiqued this article on the article talk page and had my concerns addressed—I think it's ready for a star. I'd be happy to hear other critiques though, if they are forthcoming! If this one makes it, we'll get to add a new section to the Project:Star articles page for the Caucasus! Anyway, User:(WT-en) Cupcakecommander has done some terrific work with this one, making a truly complete guide to a city for which no other real guides exist, and which is a lovely travel destination—easily one of my favorites in Eastern Europe. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:12, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

 * Almost Support - There is only one thing I think should still be fixed. Prices below 1 AZN is given both with (0.5 AZN) and without (.5 AZN) the leading 0. For uniformity and to ensure that one does not accidentally read 5 AZN for .5 AZN, I would suggest that they all be change to include the leading 0. --(WT-en) Nick 13:45, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

 * Done. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:49, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

 * Almost support. Wow, what an interesting place! If this becomes a star it'll be fantastic, as we don't have any from this region of the world. After a long scan though, I found some nitpicky issues I thought should be addressed:
 * Most of the listings that have hours lack days. For instance, is this place open daily, or just a few days of the week?
 * The Handicrafts under Buy is not marked on the map.
 * There's an infobox for Eliehmed Confectioneries, but should it just be its own listing? And if so, it should be marked on the map if possible.
 * There's two eat listings marked on the map which have no mention in the article, as far as I could tell: Milli Yemeklar and the Turkish Bakery.
 * The Kerpish Restaurant, Laziz Restaurant, Cold Spring/Soyuk Bulagh Restaurant, and Sheki Saray Hotel Restaurant lack prices.
 * One of the hotels is spelled Shail Pansinot in the article, but Sahil Pansinot on the map.
 * Finally, none of the hotels have check-in/check-out times. But then again, I don't know if its customary for hotels to have that in this part of the world. (WT-en) PerryPlanet 14:11, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

...am PerryPlanet, I'm pretty sure postings are supposed to go in sequential order??? (WT-en) Asterix 15:43, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

 * You'd think they would, but when I was editing the page the only edit conflict I had was with Peter's reply to the guy above me. I didn't even see yours until I was finished editing the page. Don't ask me... (WT-en) PerryPlanet 19:14, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

 * You're right, there are definitely a few map updates missing—thanks for catching these! I'll try and get a hold of Josh to help me locate the confectioneries listing on the map. I think I stayed at one place in the Caucasus that had a check-out time, but didn't encounter any here. Anyway, we haven't been including that in the criteria for star articles, and I'm not sure I'd want to change that. When you call the hotel or arrive there, they'll tell you themselves! And I agree that the confectioneries should be listingified, but I'll need Josh to do that, since I don't have an address. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:04, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

 * Some Objections: I like this article, it seems like a really simple and quaint place.  Overall I think it’s great, I like the abundance of pictures which really compliment the text.  Mostly just some MoS issues for me…

 * Listings are not in alphabetical order.
 * Not all the listings are on the map
 * It would be nice I think to get more specific with some listings, like in the “Drink Section”… to give the names and addresses of specific cafes etc.
 * Throughout the article it uses the 24 hour clock, which I prefer, but is this standard on WT? Also, it lists 10:00 instead of 10 etc.
 * How much is entry to the Drama Theater? Also, how much do the guided tours cost?
 * It would nice to have hours in the “Buy” section, even for the Bazaars.
 * In “Eat” section, average prices or price ranges for regional specialties would be good and there are some prices missing for a few restaurants there.
 * I notice that some of the phone/fax numbers are missing the ‘994’ prefix...I think I saw 944 in there as well.  Also lengths of phone no's differs somewhat...might want to check that.
 * Is there anything else that could be added to the “Cope” section…like publications etc?
 * As per verbage in the “Contact” section, it would be nice to more than one post office marked on the map.
 * Caravansarai is mentioned in “See” and “Sleep” which eschews the “no duplications rule." Also their phone no’s are different?
 * I don’t know does it apply as much here, but any info on check in and out times in “Sleep?”
 * I don’t think that all of the sections need introductions but perhaps it would help to add a few? For example, imo “Eat” could use one, as could “Sleep” and “See”
 * Not sure about touting the bottled water as ”healthy” so much especially with environmental concerns about bottling water etc
 * Abbreviations for address needed…St not Street etc.
 * ’T’ used instead of ‘Tu’ per time and date format.

Sorry about the long list; most of them would probably not stop it becoming a star but I think that some would. If I catch anything else later I’ll let you know. Well done on a great job. (WT-en) Asterix 14:01, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

 * I talked with Josh about the teahouses quite a bit, and our agreement eventually was that there are no real differences between the teahouses (same tea, same men milling about), they have no phone numbers to call, and they're all over the place—they'd be hard not to find. So we decided to leave individual listings for them out of the article. If someone is looking for one, they'd probably only have to walk a few steps, but they could also check the map for the ones located close to tourist areas.

 * We're still sort of debating whether to use the 24 hour clock for destinations that use it (that is, all posted schedules in Azerbaijan are in the 24 hour format), but I don't think that should hold up a star nomination anyway--as long as the article is internally consistent.

 * For the drama theater & guided tour prices, my guess is that they vary wildly, but I'll try and get Josh to comment on that.

 * Regarding the Caravansarai, I'm not sure that there is a better way to display the information. It's the second biggest attraction in the city, but is also perhaps the best hotel option as well. I've taken out the (incorrect) contact information in the see entry and linked directly to the sleep entry, where you can find the contact info. Hopefully that will resolve this problem, as well as it can be.

 * And regarding the bottled water, the natural mineral waters in these parts are supposed to have all sorts of health benefits, and are safe from parasites, so I think that's what that is referring to.

 * I'll make sure to get all the map issues fixed too. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:49, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

 * Support Though i agree with the above comment, that listing should be on the map of possible (WT-en) Sertmann 13:23, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

 *  Almost support. I think it looks pretty good and pretty darn close... once all the above concerns are addressed, I'll support. Definitely hours should be formatted correctly, and also phone #'s should all start with +994 – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk

 * I'm still working on some of the above concerns, but wanted to document that I've taken care of both the hours and phone numbers. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:11, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Just wanted to jump in and let any potential slushers know not to slush this discussion. Hopefully I'll get some help from User:(WT-en) Cupcakecommander, but I'm committed to getting the above issues resolved and getting a nice star on this Caucasian article. Just a matter of time. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 01:17, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

 * OK, I think I've done all that I'm inclined to do. I've stricken the objections/suggestions that have been taken care of. The ones that remain, I've tried to address in that longer comment just above. What's the process for making this a star now? Nick and Asterix have both stopped contributing here, so they won't be able to reverse their earlier positions... --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:30, 11 November 2008 (EST)

 * It's looking much better now...I'm rather confused about the Handicrafts listing though. It looks like it's labeled "Handicapped Association" on the map, but then under the Shebeke listing, you have the "Handicraft Association headquarters at 85 Vidadi St", which is different than the "18 A. Cabrayilov St" given under the Handicrafts listing. So I'm definitely rather bewildered on that one. But other than that it looks fine. I fully Support now. (WT-en) PerryPlanet 00:26, 12 November 2008 (EST)

 * If someone is not checking regularly, I think it's unfair for a potential star, to drop into oblivion, just because of this. And besides they would have ample time to object by now - so I think the nomination should carry on regardless of these users opinions. And I of course still Support. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 19:36, 15 November 2008 (EST)

OK, I'm going to give this another week (so 2 weeks from my final fixes), before declaring it our first ever FSU star! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:06, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Demotion to Guide status
Someone put template on the guide and asked for its demotion to Guide status, however I'm failed to find its nomination at Star nominations. Strange! While looking at the guide, its surely gives me impression thats its no longer up to star status and seems outdated so before I plunge forward and remove its status status, does anyone wants to oppose or make comments? --Saqib (talk) 16:17, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Had to demote the guide from star to guide, sadly. listed it for demotion one and half year ago  but unfortunately no one give it a heed so I guess its time to remove its star symbol. --Saqib (talk) 18:41, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Emergency numbers
The current emergency numbers are including country and region code. However, I doubt this is actually working. I reckon the numbers only work locally and in short version, i.e. 101, 102, and 103.

Any thoughts? Ceever (talk) 21:20, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Name
A user recently changed the name to Shaki from Sheki. I feel it should be moved back to Sheki per Naming conventions. Other than wikipedia I can't find many major sources that say Shaki: Tripadvisor, Unesco, Google maps and most other sources aimed at tourists use the name Sheki. Also Sheki, Azerbaijan gets more google results than Shaki, Azerbaijan Tai123.123 (talk) 01:03, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

 * ✅ I reverted it since it was an undiscussed page move. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:15, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks! Tai123.123 (talk) 01:17, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Sheki Region

Orphaned cities
After redirecting the Zaqatala rayonu, these three got orphaned. I will put them into the get out of the Zaqatala article:

 * Danachi
 * Kapanachi
 * Yengiyan

If we get a lot more Sheki Region content, we may want to subdivide and then these villages should find a region to call home. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 20:25, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

Name?
Should this guide be Sheki (region) rather than Sheki Region? -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 04:48, 7 August 2007 (EDT)

 * The actual name of the region is not "Sheki," it's basically just our made up name for the region, based on the name of its principal city, so I think "Sheki Region" is probably best. Unless, of course, someone comes up with a better name altogether. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:17, 7 August 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Shelburne (Vermont)

I wasn't quite sure why Fibonacci's Pizza was removed, so I reinstated it. --(WT-en) Evan 14:54, 27 Apr 2004 (EDT)

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Talk:Shelton (Washington)

"If you are the author of the content in question, please let us know that it's OK for us to use your work by leaving a note on the talk page"

 * This is our content. It was created as a product of the North Mason Chamber of Commerce and the Shelton-Mason Chamber. Please allow the post.

Frank Kenny, President/CEO North Mason Chamber of Commerce

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Talk:Shenyang

List of districts moved from the page because it doesn't seem useful as such. If you'd like to mention anything about these districts that's useful to travelers, feel free to restore it with that additional content:

Districts
Shenyang consists of the following districts:
 * Heping (和平区; Hépíngqū)
 * Dadong (大东区; Dàdōngqū)
 * Huanggu (皇姑区; Huánggūqū)
 * Shenhe (沈河区; Shěnhéqū)
 * Tiexi (铁西区;Tiěxīqū)
 * Hunnan (浑南新区;Húnnánxīnqū)
 * Dongling (东陵区;Dōnglíngqū)
 * Yuhong (于洪区;Yúhóngqū)
 * Sujiatun (苏家屯区;Sūjiātúnqū)
 * Shenbeixinqu (沈北新区;Shěnběixīnqū)

Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:32, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Shenzhen

Deleted text
Deleted this:

At that time, one of China's great leader, Deng Xiao Ping, plan to test his idea of opening the China. Some of his advisor told him to start with Shanghai, one of few big cities in China. But Deng thinks that if you want to make a painting, it is better to start from the scratch than modified exsisting one. So Deng choose the small fishing village near the economic giant, Hongkong.

Start from the scratch, they draw roads, tunnels, economic area, etc. Deng send the army to build the village. It took Deng only 15 years to create new big city in China. Shenzhen is the success story for Deng's plan, then he implemented the same plan to other area in China.

It does not seem relevant for travellers.

 * I think it is useful background info, but the content could use a little copyediting. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:05, 7 April 2006 (EDT)

 * I think the information is less than accurate.

Agenbite.lee

Mention of Lonely Writers Publishing
Is in the first paragraph. Is this allowed? --(WT-en) MarinaK 20:31, 16 February 2009 (EST)MarinaK.

Edit war?
A paragraph about Shenzhen OCT company has been added several times in the "Understand" section, and I've deleted it each time. I did add a shorter mention of the company under "See"; I think that is all that is required. Other opinions?

Whoever is adding it, a much more useful thing to do would be to add some details in the listing for Happy Valley. Few travellers will have much use for a blurb on the company, but many probably want to know what Happy Valley offers, what prices are, and so on. (WT-en) Pashley 09:07, 24 September 2009 (EDT)

Map?
I'm not sure how to change this, but the map to Shenzhen subway is the projected map of 2011, not the current map, which only has two lines. Could someone change this?

Can't see why anybody would want to change this. The new lines will all be up before the end of 2010. Actually I notice that there is a line missing.

Full Chinese issued at LoWu border?
The article mentions this, but does not say for which nationalities or the costs involved. Is it possible for US passport holders - they cannot get the Shenzhen 5 day visa.

Link to Botanical Gardens
Some one please add this link, I could not as it said someone was already editing it. Very strange. http://www.szbg.org/html/en/ <-- English description and map.

Alternative banner for this article?

In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:41, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The proposed new banner is far more striking here. Texugo (talk) 02:43, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's a fantastically colorful panorama. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:59, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

 * Agreed, the existing banner could be anywhere. The proposed banner is actually what you see when flying over the city at night and very exciting to think what is down there. Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:33, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

 * I agree, new one is much better. Pashley (talk) 01:19, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

 * I would go with the new banner. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 20:18, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

 * Newer banner Matroc (talk) 03:43, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

 * Added a third banner to choose from. A bit better than the other two options in my opinion.--Renek78 (talk) 01:21, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

 * I retract my 3 year old comment above. There must have been another banner that I was talking about.
 * That said, I personally don't think the new banner proposed is that compelling. It is a wider panoramic shot, but the old (existing) banner still gives me a better feeling of the city. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 05:29, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

 * Please correct me if I'm misremembering, but as I recall, this article used to use a spectacular, colorful night view that was one of the very best on the site. What on Earth happened to it? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:27, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

 * I think you are remembering correctly. There seems to have been a file called 'Shenzhen_Wikivoyage_banner.jpg' that no longer exists on MediaWiki. Possibly there was a copyright violation and it was removed, and User:Matroc returned it to the original (working) banner. Andrewssi2 (talk) 07:53, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

 * That's a real shame! I haven't really visited this city (going across the border to Hong Kong in 1987 after taking a train from Guangzhou doesn't count), but for what it's worth, I like Banner #3 most. However, if Banner #1 is a fairer representation of the city, maybe it's best to keep it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:17, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The old file was deleted here and for those who are curious what we are talking about, a copy of it can be seen here. Ar2332 (talk) 18:58, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Promote to Guide?
It looks close to me, but I have not done any detailed checking.

Any volunteers to do that then either promote it or post here about what is needed to get it there? Pashley (talk) 17:27, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Convert to huge city?
Shenzen is a giant 10-20 million person city, shouldn't this article be converted into a Huge city article template with District pages? —The preceding comment was added by 184.75.115.98 (talk • contribs)

 * The huge city article template has more to do with the amount of content in an article than the actual size of a city (see Geographical hierarchy). That said, the Shenzhen article is becoming fairly long, so if someone can propose a good district structure it would be worth considering how to split things into smaller pieces. -- Ryan • (talk) • 16:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

 * It would be good to split up. Wikipedia gives us the official administrative regions here Shenzhen of 11 districts which could be created. Obviously some of these new articles would be a little bare, but worth doing? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:09, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I think not worth doing. I think the page currently is of manageable size, and it would be of negative value to travelers to have to guess at which district a given attraction is in. Ar2332 (talk) 07:18, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

 * I disagree with your point completely Ar2332 . The whole purpose of district articles is to help inform the best locations for certain attractions so that they can plan better! Shenzhen covers a very large distance that is not realistic within one day, and is still expanding outwards as we speak. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:41, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Because of it size I would split into three districts. Inside of Beihuan Hwy and a couple of outer districts (east and west). Some of the outlining but still large districts would be regarding as cities by many people. I suggest first adding coordinated to all the listings, the map will then make it clearer were concentration of points of interest are. --Traveler100 (talk) 11:21, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree to Traveler100's suggested division. P.S. at what point do we decide we are indenting this thread too much, and what do we do then? Ar2332 (talk) 17:21, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

[Outdent]. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:20, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * This seems to have gone nowhere... Hobbitschuster (talk) 11:01, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

 * To the right is a first shot. City has been divided into "Center" "East" and "West". Any comments?--Renek78 (talk) 10:18, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

 * My initial thought is that it's not enough districts, but I agree with the overall structure (center, east, and west). It's a shame that our coverage of the city is so sparse. For now, I'd say that at least Nanshan should be its own district. Someday, if our coverage improves, it may make sense to have a separate district article for each administrative district and multiple articles for Bao'an and maybe Nanshan and others. —Granger (talk · contribs) 11:54, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm also not sure whether it makes sense to put Yantian together with the other eastern districts. Yantian was part of the original SEZ and therefore at least some people consider it part of the city center. But I haven't really been to Yantian (and haven't spent much time in eastern Shenzhen overall), so I'm not sure what makes the most sense. —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:29, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Added Nanshan as separate district. Unfortunately I am not able to give much feedback. The closest I ever got to Shenzhen was Hongkong... --Renek78 (talk) 16:37, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for splitting out Nanshan. I've just spent a few minutes reading about Yantian online, and it seems some of the district's most important attractions are the beaches. Given that, I'm leaning towards thinking it makes sense to group it in the east. But I'm still not sure. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:16, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

An update: I went to Yantian for a short daytrip. The feel was more "suburbs" than "downtown", which gives me a little more confidence that putting it in the east district makes sense.

Here are some descriptions for the districts:

 * Center (Futian, Luohu) – Downtown Shenzhen: business, shopping, museums, performances, and a surprising array of parks and nature (including the tallest mountain in the city). The main border crossings with Hong Kong are in this area.
 * Nanshan – The trendy district and arguably the cultural center of Shenzhen. Nanshan contains the bulk of Shenzhen's amusement parks, the OCT–LOFT art center, Shenzhen University, Shekou ferry terminal and expat neighborhood, and a handful of historic sites.
 * West (Bao'an, Guangming, Longhua) – Largely residential and industrial, the sprawling suburbs near the airport also include some large, attractive parks and even farmland.
 * East (Yantian, Longgang, Pingshan, Dapeng) – This is where Shenzhen's natural beauty really shines through: mountains upon mountains and popular beaches, dotted with old Hakka villages.

—Granger (talk · contribs) 12:32, 8 December 2018 (UTC) Adjusted 01:54, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

 * As the article continues to expand, I think it's time to make this happen. This will also give us the space to go into more detail about Shenzhen's complicated array of border crossings and visa options, and to list more of the smaller attractions and out-of-the-way restaurants that feel a little out of place in an article about the whole city. Unless there are any last-minute objections, I'll implement this proposal sometime soon. —Granger (talk · contribs) 07:35, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I, for one, have no objections. STW932 (talk) 14:09, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I've split out the districts. Anyone watching this page, please take a look at the article and the four new district articles and help clean up or point out any issues I've overlooked! —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:14, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Non-compliant redistribution?
www.travelshelper.com and www.synotrip.com mirror a lot of content from this article, as far as I can see without leaving any attribution. MartinJacobson (talk) 15:17, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Concerned Wikivoyagers, please direct your comments and ideas to this thread. Best wishes, --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:01, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Lonely Planet ranking
I know Lonely Planet is well respected, but does it really make sense for us to mention another travel guide's recommendation as one of the top selling points of the city? It seems to me we should demonstrate the city's charms ourselves rather than repeating what another travel guide said. What do others think? —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:06, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

 * This kind of stuff is routinely deleted here. The point of external links's prohibition on linking other guides is to avoid mentioning them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:26, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata items for dynamic map
Below is the map with all Wikidata items for the districts. This should simplify the work in case we want to change the district set-up in the future. The tool Wikidata Extractor has been used to create the mapshapes.--Renek78 (talk) 10:29, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

 * This is a little out of date—as of 2018, Guangming is now its own administrative district. See Shenzhen and Guangming District for details. I'll comment on the suggestion up above in a few minutes, but I just wanted to mention this before I forget. —Granger (talk · contribs) 11:18, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Updated it in OSM. Should be up-to-date now.--Renek78 (talk) 16:33, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Looks good! —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:36, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Missing metro lines
Some metro lines are missing from the dynamic map. At least lines 3 and 5 seem to be missing, maybe others too. I don't know how to fix this – does anyone else? —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:49, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Also line 7 and line 9. The map is missing about half of the metro system. —Granger (talk · contribs) 08:38, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The data has to be edited on OpenStreetMap. You draw a line on OpenStreetMap, which must be part of a relation with attributes "type=route" and "route=subway" and "wikidata=####" where #### is the Wikidata item for this subway line (e.g. Wikidata item Q5939429=Shenzhen Line 9). Here is a working example. One complication is that in China, some OpenStreetMap mappers like to make multiple relations of "type=route" (e.g. one for eastbound trips, one for westbound trips, or else separate relations for branches of a line) and make them all members of another relation of "type=route_master" with the Wikidata item attached to this relation. Last time I checked, Wikivoyage was unable to generate the line drawing in this case. It might be worth getting this issue brought up on a Wikivoyage technical forum, to create a general fix for it. Ar2332 (talk) 21:59, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Sheringham

DO WE NEED A TESCOS?

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Talk:Sherwood Park

Can someone add North America : Canada : Alberta : Central Alberta : Edmonton : Edmonton Capital Region : Sherwood Park at the top? Happy first day of snow in Edmonton ,(WT-en) ee talk 18:05, 11 November 2008 (EST).

 * No - but you can, just add Edmonton Capital Region below all the article text (WT-en) Sertmann 18:37, 11 November 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Shikinejima

just a question. for getting to the ferry port, i put down something about the yamanote line and oedo line. this was deleted in favour of the Yurikamome line connection. given how many people use these two lines - in comparison to Yurikamome, dont you think it's pointless?

i didnt want to update this page any further, until i understood what the desired perspective on write-ups is...

 * Sorry, should have explained myself. So the original article said that the boats leave from Hinode Pier, but Tokai Kisen's page says they use Takeshiba Terminal.  However, reviewing Mapion you're right in saying that Hamamatsucho/Oedo is also walking distance, so I've added it back.  Apologies. (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:56, 1 May 2006 (EDT)

 * Also, please consider creating an account and logging in, it makes it easier to communicate! (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:58, 1 May 2006 (EDT)

I thought it was a bit unfair saying the beaches were ordinary - not from my perspective - so i acted accordingly and deleted that statement!!

 * Plunge forward! (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:57, 9 September 2007 (EDT)

i plunged and i plunged .... any information on shikinejima's onsen would be good - i'd like to check these out more next year but don't have any knowledge of it

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Talk:Shikotsu-Toya National Park

To be split or to not be split?
This article's a pretty awkward container for two separate regions (Lake Toya and Lake Shikotsu) that don't really have much in common. What to do? (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:29, 18 August 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Shillong

I am looking for the english name or any information about a fruit that i only remember being referred to as "nagathenga" or "oothenga" in shillong. anybody know anything? is there a link i can look at? i have been googling like crazy but nothing turned up. this fruit has impressed me so much (last visit to shillong in 1993, about 15 years ago) that i think it should be mentioned in this article. thanks.

Delhi Mistan
While the jalebis here are undoubtedly good, i feel it would be remiss if their inconsistent hygiene track record isn't mentioned. Many people would feel that they should know whether finding cockroaches in their food is a possibility or not.

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