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Talk:Macau/Taipa

AP1
Tried to get the AP1 to the Lisboa, Landmark etc. The route on the Macau tourism doesn't show it going there. Also the bus driver and passengers said it didn't go there, and there was no AP1 number on the stops around the Lisboa. Therefore I've removed those destinations from the route. If someone actually manages to catch the bus there, feel free to add to add them again, but I'd like to know how they did it. --(WT-en) Inas 02:19, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Macedon Ranges

Copyvio
Much of the original text of this article was taken verbatim from http://www.braeview.com.au/links.htm. The offending text has been removed and replaced with a stub template. -- (WT-en) Ryan 00:09, 2 Dec 2005 (EST)

Article name
Macedon Ranges and Spa Country is a mouthful. So I moved the article to Macedon Ranges. The original listing on the Melbourne page was Mt Macedon and Macedon Ranges is apparently the shortest English name. -- (WT-en) Huttite 23:27, 2 Dec 2005 (EST)

Geographical area
This guides covers towns within the Shires of Macedon Ranges, Moorabool and Hepburn. James A ▪ talk 11:42, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Talk:Machida

Old draft
A draft of the Machida article from 2008 was formerly located on this talk page. It's been moved to Talk:Machida/Draft for reference, should it prove useful. — (WT-en) D. Guillaime 01:59, 2 August 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Machida/Draft

Machida (町田) is in Tokyo prefecture.

By Train
Machida is served by the Odakyu Line from Shinjuku, and the JR Yokohama Line from Yokohama and Hachioji.

Machida, a major stop on the Odakyu Line, is served by nearly all trains out of Shinjuku. The fastest way is by Rapid Express (快速急行) and Express (急行). These trains depart frequently, every 10 minutes or less, and reach Machida in 30-35 minutes (¥360). Slower Semi-Express (準急) trains take 45 minutes to an hour. Machida is also the first stop on all Limited Express services that run to Hakone. They take about the same time as a Rapid Express, but incur an additional ¥400 surcharge. You do get your own comfortable seat,however, so reserving a seat on this train, especially for the rush hour, can prove to be beneficial for the added charge.

JR Yokohama Line trains make runs to Machida from Hachioji (20-30 minutes, ¥290) and Yokohama (30-40 minutes, ¥380). More frequent trains from Yokohama depart from nearby Higashi-Kanagawa (東神奈川) station.

The Yokohama Line offers the best connection from the Tokaido Shinkansen to Machida via Shin-Yokohama station (15-20 minutes, ¥290).

There is no charge for JR trains with the Japan Rail Pass.

By Bus
Kanachu and Keio bus companies jointly offer daily services to Machida from Narita and Haneda airports. (There is only one service, depending on the time of the day, you may get Kanachu or Keio service.)

See
Yakushiikepark,3270 Nozuta town,042-793-7611,Everyday,AM6:00-PM6:00,There is you can enjoy the many flowers.

Squirrel park,733-1 Kanai-machi,042-734-1001, March 16 to October 15/AM10：00-PM5：00,October 16 to March 15(Except December)/AM10：00-PM4：00,December 1 to December 26/AM10：00-PM3：00,Tuesday(open in case of public holiday and closed on the next weekday),The year-end and New Year holidaysDecember 27 to January 2,The first Tuesday to Friday in June, September and December,Child(age3-12)-200yen,Adult(junior high or more)-400yen,Group Admissions Discount(for groups of 20 or more)/Child-100yen and Adult-300yen

Do
There is a station called Minami-Machida, it is at the edge of Machida-city. You can visit this station by riding train called Tokyu-DenenToshi sen. At Minami-Machida station, we have big outlet mall called Grand Berry Mall. You can buy clothes, shoes and so on at a cheaper price. There are some stores from foreign countries but you can also enjoy Japanese brand's clothes. You can know what is trend in Japan. There are also many restaurants. You can eat Chinese, Vietnam, and Italian and so on.

You can enjoy watching movies as well. We have big movie theater called 109 cinemas. On weekends, this place always crowded with many people and you can see some street performance. Grand Berry Mall is good place not only for shopping but also for walking. On weekends, many people come to show their pets to other people and have fun talking about pets. Neighboring areas are sometime used as location for Japanese TV drama.

Karaoke...

PM12:00-AM4:45(MON-THU,SUN,Holiday), PM12:00-AM6:00(FRI,SAT,day before holiday) 30minuites per one person.. 12:00 to 19:00 50yen(Monday to Friday),100yen(Saturday to Sunday Day before holidays) 19:00 to 5:00 300yen(Monday to Thursday), 350yen(Friday to Sunday Day before holidays) Free time 24:00 to 5:00 950yen(Monday to Thursday),1350yen(Friday to Sunday Day before holidays)
 * karaokekann,6-21-28 Haramachida Machida city Tokyo TEL:042-732-1585 AM11:00-AM5:00
 * karaokenotetsujin,Building colonbus3.4F 4-11-14 Haramachida Machida city Tokyo TEL:042-710-2175 AM11:00-AM6:00
 * Big Echo,Building Machida4F 6-7-8 Haramachida Machida city Tokyo TEL:042-720-7761
 * SALA,6-13-17 Haramachida Machida city Tokyo TEL:042-739-0991

Mangakissa(the place to read a book, magazine, cartoon...etc) gerageraThe 35th building Tokyo B1F 6-10-10 Haramachida Machida city Tokyo TEL0427-20-6454 Take 2 minuites from Odakyu Machida station and JR Yokohama Machida station 24hours 30minuites -180yen(MON-FRI), 220yen(SAT,SUN,Holiday and day before holiday)

 * Round1---194-0022,1-13-14 Morino,042-710-0095,Mo~Fri/10:00am～6:00am Sut/9:00am~6:00amSun or holiday/8:00am~6:00am,bowling,Karaoke,Billiard,Medal'sGame,There is populor and interesting amusement place.

Nekono-mise---1-2-9,Haramachida,Mo~Sut/12:00am~22:oopm,Sun or holiday/12:00~20:00pm,There are a lot of cats, and we can play with them.Also read book and drink something. There is so interesting place.

Buy
You can go shopping In Machida.There are 109,Jorna,Lumine,OIOI,Modi,twins and so on.Every shop is near Machida station both of Yokohama line and Odakyu line.

 * Lumine, 6-1-11 Haramachida Machida city Tokyo.042-739-3111

Open from AM10:00 to PM9:00(shopping) AM11:00 to PM10:00(restaurant) Takes 1 minute from JR Machida Station,3 minuites from Odakyu Machida station.

It has clothes, dresses, sundries, small articles, accessories, shoes,restaurant,book store, CD/DVD store, cosmetics, hair salon, side dish and so on. It'S a big department store.

 * 109,6-8-1 Haramachida Machida city Tokyo TEL: 042-709-2111

Open from AM10:00～PM8:00（B1F～5F shopping） AM10:00～PM11:00（5F restaurant ※last order PM10:00）

It Takes 1 minute from JR Machida Station,3 minuites from Odakyu Machida station(This from introduction of official web site but it takes more.Each ot them takes 2 more minuites)

It clothes, dresses, sundries, small articles, accessories, shoes,restaurant,book store, CD/DVD store, cosmetics, hair salon, beuty salon, print club, side dish and so on. Popular for teenager.

 * Grandberry mall,3-4-1 Tsuruma machida city Tokyo,042-795-0109,Open from AM10:00~PM8:00(Some store opening more time),This spot is big shopping mall.We can do shopping,eating,seeing movies and etc.It takes 1 minute from Tokyu denentoshi line Minamimachida station.

Yodobashi-camera 1-1-11,Haramachida,042-721-1010,Mon-Sun 09:30am~22:00pm. There are many electric appliances. You can buy camera, television,etc...

mina 4-1-17,Haramachida,042-710-3725,Mon-Sun 10:00am~21:00pm. There is UNIQLO. It is so big. Also there are cafe,sundry goods store etc...

Eat

 * Kurogane,194-0012,1-18-2 Nakamachi,042-727-9996,Su-Mo/ am11:00~pm11:00(Only holiday Wed),The speciality shop only gyoza.it is cheep(all gyoza 250yen),beer is 450yen,maybe you will can be confortable about 1000yen.

 * Hokkaido ramen OYAJI,1-19-1 Nakamachi,042-723-2951,Mo-Fri/11:30am~15:30pm and 5:30pm~11:30pm,Sa-Su and holiday/11:30am~11:00pm,This shop is very famous and delicious.

 * T.G.I FRIDAY'S,TN Square 2F, 6-9-18 Haramachida, Machida-shi, Tokyo

TEL:042-710-1161 Open from 11:00am – 0:00am (Sun,Mon-Thu, Holidays 11:00am – 1:00am(Fri, Sat, Day before holidays) Party Course with Free Drinks - 3,800 Yen Appetizers 580yen,Salads 1280yen/880yen, Sandwiches 980yen, Hamburgers 980yen, Desserts 680yen HAppy hour PM5:00 to PM7:00 half cost of drink

Drink

 * Bowl, 4-15-12 Haramachida (JK Building 5F), 042-721-5707. Tu-Sa 7pm-5am, Su and holiday 6pm-2am. A cheap drinking place. Try the okayu, a kind of Japanese rice porridge. About 500 yen for any drink. The rest room's tap is very interesting. Check it out.

(The Hub is currently being remodeled, reopening is yet unknown)
 * The Hub, Next to Matsumoto Kiyoshi Drug store near by the Odakyu-Line Exit. An English-pub-style bar.

 *  Mogura River west Building Machida B1F 1-13-22 Morino Machida city Tokyo TEL:042-727-1337

MON-SAT 18:00～03:00(L.O.02:00) SUN/Holiday 18:00～02:00(L.O.01:00) It's underground, go one more underground room you can relax and very comfortable.

Sleep
Central Hotel Machida, http://www.chm.co.jp/ Delux Single rooms are ok, @8,000 Yen/night, free internet access Short walk north from Odakyu line main exit

 * HOTEL THE ELLCY

3-2-9Haramachida Machida city Tokyo TEL:042-724-3111 FAX:042-724-3130

7minuites from Odakyu Machida station / one minuite from JR Machida station Tarminal

Check in 2：00p.m. Check out 11：00a.m.

Parking-one night 1,000yen

◇Double room（Ａ）　　・Included breakfast 12,700yen 　　・Included dinner and breakfast 16,700yen

◇Twin room 　　・Included breakfast 16,700yen 　　・Included dinner and breakfast 20,700yen

◇Superia twin room 　　・Included breakfast 22,400yen　　　・Included dinner and breakfast 26,400yen

Contact
町田市

Machida, Tokyo

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Talk:Machu Picchu

Can you really take the bus all the way from Cuzco to Machu Picchu now??? In 2000 the only way on from km 92? (a little way past Ollantaytambo) was by train. I haven't heard of any change since, and can't find any other references on the Interent. I'll check some up-to-date guidebooks later this week. (WT-en) DanielC 17:45, 15 May 2005 (EDT)

nope. we were there in october and the only way is to walk the trail or get the train.

 * I talked to a guy who walked over the railway early in the morning before the trains started running to save the $44. That's the only alternative I know of. (WT-en) Ronald 21:56, 1 Feb 2006 (EST)
 * I did both foot way tracks... neither is official.. one is from the backside (via santa theresa) the other on the railway tracks -- Andreas Klinger
 * Lonely Planet discusses an alternative option in detail. The PeruRail really is a monopoly and by the way it's $46USD one way for extranjeros as of now.  Was back from there last week and it was so crowded that my friend and I got really fed up.  There is no need to stay there (Agua Calientes) overnight.  Get there in the morning and leave for the 5pm train.  Beware of the mixed price schedules the bolletos tell you about if you have to change your tickets.  It gets sketchy.  I left my backpack there and managed to get it back in Cuzco the next day with my broken spanish.  The staff are actually quite friendly and professional when you need help.  (Sometimes we had to act pissed or helpless to receive serious attention.) Finally I must add that the train has the world's most foolish design with lack of footspace consideration.  An extremely uncomfortable 4 hr trip each way.  The zigzag rail up and down the hill towards Cuzco is quite a gimmick.  Some other railway company PLEASE operate on this route and improve the seating!!!!  Feel free to email me at sacredieu at aim dot com if you need help! -- 16 July 2007

Cuzco or Aguas Calientes
I cut out the following hotel, but I'm not sure it belongs in Cuzco or in Aguas Calientes -- (WT-en) Ronald 20:37, 3 Feb 2006 (EST)

 * El Real Condesa - This hotel cost me s/50 per night for a double room. Breakfast is s/5 or s/6. It is in an old spanish house and creaks heaps, everything is old and spanish. If you like that kind of atmosphere, stay here. It is in San Augustin street, near the little plaza at the end. There is an @ sign hanging in the door.

Where the article says that it's easily $100 to go to MP, i'd recommend raising that to at least $150-200 USD. For 2008, the train is going to be $96 round trip, and with the drop in valuation of the dollar versus the Nuevo Sol, the entrance to the ruins is about $40 now. Add in a hotel at Aguascalientes and your food, your up to nearly $200.

Huayna Picchu - Dangers
This is a todo for me, or anyone else who can find the information. After hiking up this little mountain and seeing the type of people that are making the attempt, I am convinced that many people must die each year falling off the top/trail. I've seen reference in various TT threads to a government report on the topic, but no actual link to the report. Maybe if I spoke Spanish I might get further :) (WT-en) Ryleyb 12:54, 19 June 2006 (EDT)

On a Shoestring
The train is incredibly expensive if you are a foreigner. I've found not as expensive as the train was taking a minivan (7 hours, it's a crazy ride) from cuzco to Hidroelectrica (a round trip for S/.95 = US$ 30) and then walk for 2.5 hours from Hidroelectrica to Aguas Calientes or just take the "cheap train" for US$28. The walking part is really easy over the train tracks. —The preceding comment was added by Johnp (talk • contribs)

 * That's good to know, but not too many people will see it unless you add it to the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:03, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Banner
Here's another new banner discussion. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:46, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I prefer Banner 0. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:55, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Added another one. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:59, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Dunno. Banner 2 is good but I prefer the composition of Banner 0. I think this is a page that already has a very good banner and doesn't need a new one. There are some pages like that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:11, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. The only reason I'm not liking the current one is because the archeological site is somewhat partially hidden under the banner's TOC. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:16, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Not on my browser. The name is well above the archaeological site. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:34, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Not the name, but the table of contents. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:39, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * A little. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:28, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

 * My favorite is banner 0. The clouds over the mountains are very pleasing to my eye. Second choice: banner 2. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:52, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Macomb County

''This page is for discussing the corresponding article or guide. For more about using talk pages check out Project:Using talk pages.''

Disambiguitation page needed
Utica needs a disambiguitation page for the two places of the same name that are in New York and Michigan. – (WT-en) CurvyEthyl 02:51, 9 October 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Madagascar

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Madagascar/CIA World Factbook 2002 import. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:33, 29 Mar 2005 (EST)

Archives

 * Talk:Madagascar/CIA Factbook Import

Sleep

 * The section on "Sleep" seems VERY odd. There are no citations and it does not make sense.
 * Howdy and welcome to Wikivoyage. Please feel free to plunge forward and edit the page. Just FYI, we generally do not cit travel information. Let us know if you have any questions! Thanks. (WT-en) Maj 14:14, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

 * Now it says "sleep on a sleeping bag because you can't trust those hotel workers", what is that supposed to mean? --191.180.230.252 17:19, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

When

 * What would be a good time of the year to go? 194.78.92.67 06:04, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

Regions
I do not really see any reason to go against the official split into 6 provinces. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:15, 26 January 2010 (EST)
 * I know next to nothing about Madagascar, but you may want to browse through this guidebook on Google Books (technically, it's a preview, but nearly all pages are there). It's the most recent edition, too! (WT-en) AHeneen 10:22, 26 January 2010 (EST)
 * Excellent and will do, I know a little bit about Madagascar as it is on the list of places I really want to visit. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:37, 26 January 2010 (EST)
 * Perhaps you know then that the Malagasy language is most closely related to the languages of Borneo and the first inhabitants were Austronesian from Indonesia/PNG? (WT-en) AHeneen 10:45, 26 January 2010 (EST)

 * I do indeed. An indonesian/polynesian language origin. It is the ecology of this place that blows my mind. The so-called 8th continent. Extraordinary fauna and amazing landscapes. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:51, 26 January 2010 (EST)

 * Map done. Madagascar has to get the award for "most important country with almost zero coverage by Wikivoyage".--(WT-en) Burmesedays 04:26, 15 February 2010 (EST)
 * Provinces were replaced with Regions in October 2009. The 22 Regions are the official first-level administrative divisions.--Greenearrow (talk) 20:06, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Official languages
An editing war has started over whether English is or is not an official language. Is it? (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 08:21, 19 September 2011 (EDT)

 * This] says English was removed as an official language in 2010. However, that is Wikipedia and the comment has no citation, so God only knows if it is real or not. --(WT-en) burmesedays 08:28, 19 September 2011 (EDT)

locust plague
The caution box "NOTE: Parts of Madagascar are currently sustaining an increasingly severe plague of locusts. Food shortages remain likely. (March 2013)" doesn't seem particularly relevant. It is now October. Can we remove? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:10, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Update about situation --Andrewssi2 (talk) 12:29, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Bubonic plague
Time for a warning? Bubonic Plague Outbreak Kills 40 In Madagascar Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:16, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The plague existed in Madagascar before the recent news coverage, and combined with all of the other medical concerns in the country (which are far more likely to be an issue to the traveler), I would be more in favor of beefing up the "Stay healthy" section rather than putting a warning box at the top of the article. Note that WHO is not currently recommending any travel restrictions, but if that changed then a warning box would make more sense.  That said, I'm nearly always against reacting to the latest thing being hyped by the news (ebola in Dallas, a terrorist attack at a dance club, plague in Madagascar, etc) with a warning box since such things are remote threats (at worst) to the average traveler, and thus a giant warning box seems to me like fearmongering, so another opinion might be useful. -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:27, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Since the disease is easily cured with antibiotics, its spread isn't a good reason not to travel, just a reason to inform people that they should be ready to get antibiotics in a timely fashion. I don't have a problem with that being in "Stay healthy," rather than as a warning box, for the reasons you state. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:46, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I've updated the "Stay healthy" section with a mention of the plague and some other health concerns . Please edit/expand as appropriate. -- Ryan • (talk) • 22:18, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Madappattu

see madappattu.com

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Talk:Madeira

So Madeira is an archepelo with two islands, Porto Santo and Madeira. Am I crazy for wanting to have just one page for the two islands (both pretty small) and then just link to city articles to cover the specifics? I just can think of what would be on the Madeira(island) article that wouldn't be on the Madeira(archeplo) article, same with Porto Santo... we can always spilt them up if there turns out to be a whole bunch of details I'm missing... (WT-en) Majnoona

 * No, that sounds like a good idea. (P.S. "Archipelago"). --(WT-en) Evan 17:35, 14 Jan 2004 (EST)

Picture
The picture (from Faial) is not in Madeira but in the Azores archipelago

 * Are you sure? There is a Faial in both archipelagos, and I thought it looks a lot like Madeira. Anyway, if you are sure, please go ahead and remove the photo from the article. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:07, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Actually, having looked into this further, it seems almost certain that the image on this page is from Madeira, not the Azores. The pictures on Flickr seem to depict the same place . --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:13, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

I think it is Madeira, but definetly NOT faial. It looks like Serra D'Agua...(this last comment by Agostinho)

Work
Have visited only once. However, content for Work (and its link) reflects only the advantages of setting up a business there...with text much like that from a Chamber of Commerce. It offers virtually nothing about requirements for working there or the availability jobs. Someone more qualified than I needs to improve this. Hennejohn (talk) 18:02, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Categorize with Portugal?
Madeira is part of Portugal politically and culturally, has the same immigration system as Portugal, and is within reasonable distance from mainland Portugal. Therefore it should be categorized as a region of Portugal, instead of "Islands of the Atlantic Ocean".

Compare Azores, Canary Islands, and Easter Island. /Yvwv (talk) 09:30, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

 * The Azores are further out, so since they're breadcrumbed to Portugal, unless anyone wants to change that (back?), this is a no-brainer. But I think we should wait 24 hours in case someone has some objection. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:59, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Alternative page banners
We have got new page banners of Madeira from the Wiki Loves Earth banner competition and discuss the replacement, because Portuguese ceramics shown in the current banner has no obvious connection to the island. It could be seen all over Portugal. You can join our discussion or add your opinion here. --Alexander (talk) 15:51, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I would prefer any of those before the current banner. My favorite is number 47. There is a banner discussion on Talk:Portugal as well. /Yvwv (talk) 14:11, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Madhupur

I grew up in Madhupur.

Frankly, I do not know much about this site - although I have accounts in Wikipedia and Wikimapia. This page needs a good deal of updates and I will do them soon. —The preceding comment was added by 14.99.23.47 (talk • contribs) on 09:23, 1 April 2011

Leela Kamal Guest House listing
Hi, everyone. What should we do about this listing? Is this edit a change from touting by the owner to an honest appraisal by a guest, or is it slagging by a competitor? And if the new text is accurate, should we simply de-list this guest house, given site policy to avoid negative reviews? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:03, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Moved from "By rail"
This might have been added by the Telstra user, who seems to be a film buff:

The famous movie "Chit Chor" starring Amol Palekar and Zareena Wahid and directed by Basu Chattarjee, has the town of Madhupur as its setting.

If you find this significant, you could put it in "Understand". Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:04, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Negative review?
I moved this listing here for discussion, in view of Avoid negative reviews. Are there so few places to stay — or is this place so prominent — that it should be listed, in spite of the advice to avoid it?

Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:19, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Madison (disambiguation)

I'm not sure that I like this disambiguation very much. It seems to me that if I type "Madison", or enter "Madison," that should take me straight to the one place I (and I would guess most potential searchers) have heard of. Although Madison, IN does look like a nice town. But aside from registering my disapproval, I won't make a recommendation either way, since we as a community quite clearly do not have a consensus yet on when to disambiguate. Comment by: User:(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald 1 August 2007

 * Well, there will always be a gray area in this. You do have to remember that what you think is most famous relies much on where you are from. I admit that I had the same reaction... that Madison, WI is the most famous. Is it most famous by a factor of 10 over all the other Madisons? I dunno. (WT-en) OldPine 22:15, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

 * Alright I'll register my opinion now—this seems like a silly disambiguation. Madison should direct you straight to Madison, Wisconsin. It's by far the largest (by about 20x), best known, and its a state capital. Objections? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:26, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

 * OK, two and a half years and no objections. Sometime soon, I'll add a link back to this disambugation on the Madison, WI page and set a "madison" query to take you directly there. 23:16, 2 February 2012

title: Talk:Madison (disambiguation)


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Talk:Madison

This page is too biased All the pages here are rather biased. But then again, it is a travel guide. 68.117.141.187 18:15, 11 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * We try to maintain a neutral point of view. I think there's some boosterism in this page, but it's not particularly pernicious. (Maybe the locals aren't "friendly locals", and maybe there's some better artisinal bread. But, y'know, not in-your-face biased. Please, plunge forward and make changes when you see an indefensible opinion. --(WT-en) Evan 22:48, 11 Nov 2005 (EST)

Disambiguation
I think Madison meets the much more famous rule (actually, the much, much more famous rule). I had only heard of one of the other Madisons (CT), which is the only other Madison with a population over 2,000, but that's only because I lived in New Haven. --Peter Talk 21:03, 22 September 2012 (CEST)
 * An IP had tried to fix this by copying the disambiguation page contents to Madison (disambiguation) and redirecting the base title to Madison (Wisconsin). I have undone that and performed the move properly.  LtPowers (talk) 13:40, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Banner
Proposal for a new banner. Yes, it's a skyline banner, but the current banner is dreadful. Eco84 (talk) 14:29, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The new banner looks a little fuzzy on the left side, but I'd still support replacing the current one with it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:38, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Writing/Language Quality
The quality of writing for the article (particularly for the introduction & districts sections) isn't the greatest. If there isn't anyone else willing to revise/rewrite it, I will.

--ItalianMustache (talk) 18:58, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

 * Please plunge forward as time allows. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:12, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Madre de Dios (department)

Why don't we use the full term (department) instead of the abbreviation (Dep)? Also, I don't think the capital D corresponds with our capitalization policy. (WT-en) D.D. 12:19, 5 Oct 2003 (PDT)

 * Yeah, I agree. I moved this one -- we should move some of the others. -- (WT-en) Evan 09:55, 7 Oct 2003 (PDT)

title: Talk:Madre de Dios (department)


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Talk:Madre de Dios(Peru)

How can I cancel this page? I have moved the old contence on a new page with a space between Dios and (Peru). If this page doesn't get canceled, we risk that somebody else begins to edit it incidently.

 * We have a deletion policy that lists the procedure for deleting a page. For various reasons, we don't normally delete pages immediately. I've listed it on the votes for deletion page. If there's no objections, it should be deleted within a few days. -- (WT-en) Evan 13:36, 5 Sep 2003 (PDT)

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Talk:Madrid

Districtification
I know this guide still doesn't have an overflow of entries, but my experience of Madrid is that you cannot get to know it as a whole. I am thinking carving out Centro, Retiro, Salamanca and then North, South, East and West could be a start. What do you think? PrinceGloria (talk) 13:18, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

 * I won't be able to help much because I haven't visited Madrid since 1977, but it sure sounds reasonable to me to district Madrid. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:12, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

 * Centro did not change much since 1977. They've only got a new king ;) PrinceGloria (talk) 23:13, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

 * So, se have Madrid/Centro, Madrid/Retiro, and Madrid/Salamanca. Madrid/Moncloa-Aravaca describes the western parts, and the rest can be divided into Madrid/North (including Ciudad Lineal, San Blas and everything north) and Madrid/South. /Yvwv (talk) 01:46, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

 * I have only ever been to Madrid during a roughly eight hour layover and the time outside the airport that allows. I am afraid, I won't be able to help much, either. Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:28, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

 * Hmm, with two visits to Madrid in the first decade of the 2000s, I could perhaps help out a little bit, though I'm mostly familiar with Centro. Your division seems to be OK, provided that all articles would get a couple of POIs. How far would the North and South articles stretch? Until the borders of Area Metropolitana? ϒpsilon (talk) 14:44, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

 * I can help out a bit as well, although I've spent only a grand total of five days there, most of it also in the Centro, so I can't really offer an informed opinion regarding where to draw district boundaries. –StellarD (talk) 15:43, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

 * I think Yvwv's proposal above sounds great. I got to spend a few days in Madrid back in 2012, and based on what I saw breaking it down between Centro, Retiro, Salamanca, West (Moncloa-Aravaca), North, and South makes sense. Centro and Retiro have the lion's share of attractions, naturally, but there's enough stuff scattered through the rest of those districts that we shouldn't wind up with any completely empty districts under that layout. PerryPlanet (talk) 02:59, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

 * The scope of Madrid/North and Madrid/South would be within the administrative borders of Madrid. This would, for instance, exclude Madrid-Barajas Airport. /Yvwv (talk) 13:14, 5 October 2016 (UTC) Districts_of_Madrid.svg

 * We might consider having an article for the airport itself. It's a major hub for flights to half of Latin America. Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:49, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

 * There is one already. ;) ϒpsilon (talk) 16:01, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

 * Foiled again by an unredirected redlink! Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:14, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Any progress?
Soooo, is there any progress to be reported? maybe you'd want to weigh in? Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:36, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The proposed districts seem reasonable to me. It will be easier to proceed once all listings are geotagged and placed on the map. –StellarD (talk) 08:50, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * ,, , , what's keeping us from implementing it, then? At the very least creating a rough draft of a map and the likes? Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:16, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * With regard to me - my decision not to contribute to WV until the image policy is amended, which seems most unlikely. Thanks for the honorable mention. PrinceGloria (talk) 18:21, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

What to do about the already created two outlines?
Someone apparently created Madrid/Centro and Madrid/Retiro some months ago. Should we already move listings there while we figure out where to draw the boundaries of other districts or should they for now be redirected to the Madrid page? Are they good districts to have to begin with? Oh and pinging in particular. Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:58, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I've been working on geotagging listings so that we can eventually move this forward. However I'm currently traveling in the US for a month, so it will take a little while until I get everything mapped. If you'd like to start moving relevant geotagged listings to the two aforementioned articles, please feel free :) –StellarD (talk) 20:09, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, happy travels then. I am afraid I don't know where the borders of the district articles are supposed to be. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:53, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Reviving the discussion
Can we please get any kind of resolution on this? User:StellarD seems to be back from his travels, but it would perhaps be easier if some other user(s) could jump in and help? With geotags for many listings it shouldn't be that hard to move them to districts, right? Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:08, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

New proposal, after having visited Madrid last month (not claiming to be an expert, though). I admit that my idea of districtification is a bit influenced by Lonely Planet's (and also by the one used at Madrid's official website for tourists), but it is not a one-to-one copy and a bit simplified and focused on the neighbourhoods with most sights and points of interests from a traveller's perspective:
 * Madrid/Huertas and Sol: the centre of centre, including Puerta del Sol, Cortes, Barrio de las Letras, Gran Vía from Cibeles to Plaza España
 * Madrid/La Latina and Austrias: old town with its narrow lanes plus the quarter around Royal Palace and Plaza Mayor
 * Madrid/Malasaña and Chueca: including neighbouring Conde Duque for sake of simplicity – lots of restaurants and nightlife
 * Madrid/Lavapiés – or merge into Huertas and Sol, as there are not yet many listings right now (there should be more, though)
 * Madrid/Retiro and Paseo del Arte: including Parque de El Retiro and the museum strip (or "Museum Triangle") from Prado via Thyssen to Caixaforum and Reina Sofia (convenient for readers to have most art-related contents in one article)
 * Madrid/Salamanca: whole district – upscale shopping, restaurants and hotels
 * Madrid/Chamberí: whole district – not many listings right now, but interesting enough and may be further developed in the future
 * Madrid/Moncloa: whole district of Moncloa-Aravaca, including Argüelles, Ciudad Universitaria, Parque del Oeste, Casa de Campo
 * Madrid/Arganzuela: the whole district – getting increasingly interesting for travellers thanks to the Madrid Río and Matadero projects
 * Madrid/Outer districts: everything else, given that there are few points of interest for travellers, anyway – an alternative might be to put everything north of the centre into the "Chamberí" article, everything west into "Moncloa", everything east into "Salamanca" and everything south into "Arganzuela". This may be inaccurate but pretty handy.

I do not think that Madrid/Centro makes much sense, as almost everything that is relevant for tourists is in Centro, and the Centro article would become nearly as long as the Madrid article is now, while most other district articles would be almost empty. --RJFF (talk) 20:58, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

 * Personally I think subdividing the Centro at this stage is premature and overcomplicates things; we can further subdivide Madrid/Centro later if there is a consensus that it is warranted. And it is not really unusual to have such dense central districts – see for examples Vienna/Innere Stadt and Berlin/Mitte.

 * I do believe it will be easier to migrate listings to newly-created districts after everything is geotagged and not before. Hobbitschuster, if the slow progress upsets you so much why do you not roll up your sleeves and help out? I myself am not located in Madrid and do not personally know the city all that well. My tools are Google maps, Wikivoyage geomap, and es.Wikipedia, which anyone can use.

 * And why is the gender of any Wikivoyager assumed to be male by default? ;) –StellarD (talk) 06:11, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

 * Vienna's Innere Stadt is considerably smaller than Madrid's Centro; while Berlin is a somewhat different case, given that it is a multi-centric city created by the merger of several towns and cities each whith its own core (hence the saying that "Berlin is not a city, but a collection of villages"), plus it was divided for 40 years. Therefore touristic points of interest are spread over more parts of the city (I do not like WV-en's districtification of Berlin anyway). Madrid on the other hand is, according to my impression, very centralistic with almost all things of interest for travellers concentrated in Centro and adjacent districts. Just look at the dynamic map: about 80 % of listings are in Centro! This is because Madrid used to be restricted to today's Centro district until the 19th century and most other districts are just bedroom suburbs created during the 20th century, with few reasons for visitors to go there. --RJFF (talk) 11:25, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * One more comparison: The 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th arrondissement of Paris combined are about the size of Madrid's Centro, and we have four separate articles on them. I find it reasonable to divide Centro into 3–4 articles, too. --RJFF (talk) 13:03, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

 * RJFF, OK you've convinced me that Centro should be divided up, especially as you seem to know Madrid better than I do. I'm not entirely in agreement with your Centro divisions though, as they don't make sense to me when I look at a map. Would it not make more sense to just divide along the traditional barrio boundaries as the city has done? –StellarD (talk) 14:20, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I do not think that the barrios in this map are "traditional". These are pretty arbitrary "barrios" drawn only for administrative reasons, which do not correspond to the traditional neighbourhoods as they are perceived by locals and tourists. Who, except administrators, refers to Universidad rather than Malasaña, Justicia instead of Chueca and Cortes in place of Huertas or Barrio de las Letras? By the way, Wikivoyage's own dynamic map (the one in the map frame) shows the neighbourhood names that I use, too (i.e. Lavapiés, La Latina, Austrias, Malasaña, Chueca), and even Madrid's own tourist website does. --RJFF (talk) 14:32, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

 * Well you seem to know the district, so your proposal sounds good to me especially if you can write up something in the 'Understand' section of each new district article. Unfortunately as it appears there are currently only two people in this discussion who have spent any amount of time in Madrid, we'll have to form a consensus of two, unless someone else stops by who wants to chime in. –StellarD (talk) 15:15, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * OK. Then, we still have to decide: 1. Should Lavapiés have its own article or be included in "Sol and Letras" (it appears that "Barrio de las Letras" is a bit more common than "Huertas" in the tourism context, both denote approximately the same neighbourhood). "Sol, Letras and Lavapiés" looks a bit clumsy to me... and 2. Should there be an article on "Outer districts" for everything even further off than Chamberí, Salamanca, Retiro, Moncloa and Arganzuela or should listings located in these outlying districts simply be included in the nearest district article (i.e. let Chamberí include everything north of it, Salamanca everything east, Moncloa everything west, Arganzuela everything south)? I must admit that I don't know anything about these external districts, I just see that there are only very few listings for them. --RJFF (talk) 15:44, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Another question: How do we move the listings to district articles? Is it OK to simply copy-paste them or would that be a copyright violation? --RJFF (talk) 18:44, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

After some reflection, here are a few thoughts:

1) Currently Lavapiés doesn't seem to have quite enough listings just yet, so perhaps it should be included with 'Sol and Letras', to be broken off in the future when it does have more content. Yes, the name 'Sol, Letras and Lavapiés' is decidedly clumsy; maybe 'Sol-Letras-Lavapiés' might work. Or alternatively what about labeling the central districts something like 'Centro East' and 'Centro West', etc.?

2) Vienna's outer districts (also clumsy) include such titles as 'Inner East' and 'Outer East', etc. Boston has a district titled 'Outer Neighborhoods'. Munich's districts are even more simplified. I realize that these names may be anathema to someone used to working on de.wv, but here on the English side I think we tend to be somewhat less encyclopedic (although I do have my own encyclopedic tendencies).

3) Regarding copyrights, moving content to new articles by cut-paste or copy-paste is no problem at all, as long as no content is lost.

–StellarD (talk) 11:42, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

 * I am in favour of using the names of the traditional neighbourhoods not because they are more encyclopedic, but because they are more recognisable for travellers (they will find these names on customary maps as well as "on the ground", moreover most of these names are linked to a barrio with a certain character) while terms like 'Centro East' and 'Centro West' sound cold and bureaucratic and cannot be found anywhere outside Wikivoyage. I stayed at an apartment in Malasaña and can tell you that there is a very strong local identity and "flavour", they even sell Malasaña merchandise, Malasaña beer etc. No one would speak of 'Centro North'! The same probably applies to Chueca, Lavapiés etc. Madrid/Sol-Letras-Lavapiés looks handy enough to me, though. --RJFF (talk) 17:58, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

 * OK then, how does the following line-up look to you?
 * Madrid/Sol-Letras-Lavapiés
 * Madrid/La Latina-Austrias
 * Madrid/Malasaña-Chueca
 * Madrid/Retiro-Paseo del Arte
 * Madrid/Salamanca – including stray listings to the east
 * Madrid/Chamberí – including everything north
 * Madrid/Moncloa – including every west
 * Madrid/Arganzuela – including everything south
 * –StellarD (talk) 08:37, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

 * Very well. I have started with copying listings to Madrid/Sol-Letras-Lavapiés. Please have a look if you like. For now, I have not yet deleted the duplicate listings from the main article, because after we are done with distrification, the main article should still contain a list of top sights and some general remarks in each of the sections, like where to find certain shopping opportunities, this or that category of restaurants, this or that type of club, bar etc. --RJFF (talk) 10:56, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

I am done with creating the district articles and moving the respective listings there. Now we should condense and trim the Madrid article. I could need some help with the decision which listings are important enough for the whole city to stay in this article (perhaps with a shortened description) and wording some generic information, e.g. in which districts this or that type of restaurant, nightlife venue or hotel can be found. --RJFF (talk) 17:42, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Thank you RJFF for jumping in and taking on this task single-handedly. At a glance the district articles all look great. I can help with the main Madrid article, but it will have to wait a bit as I'll be off-wiki and traveling for the next week and a half. –StellarD (talk) 07:47, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Dynamic Map
Good day, PrinceGloria, Ikan Kekek, Yvwv, Hobbitschuster, StellarD and RJFF. I have set up a dynamic district map taking the input from the discussion above into account. A few comments:
 * I added Northern Suburbs and Southern Suburbs article to the city. Listings still have to be moved over from Arganzuela and Chamberí and Castellana.
 * What I personally don't like with the current districts is, that some prime tourist attractions - namely the Parque del Oeste with Templo de Debod are covered in this huge district Moncloa. I guess it would be nicer to either have another central district or add this locality to Malasana or La Latina. Then we could separate the District chapter nicely into Central Districts and Outer Districts just like in Beijing for example.--Renek78 (talk) 19:46, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Thanks a lot for your work! I don't know Madrid nearly well enough to offer any substantive opinions about these districts, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:02, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Thank you so much – this is a huge help! I've been following others' progress with dynamic district maps and had made an attempt in my sandbox, but technically it was really over my head.
 * Regarding the current districts I don't really feel qualified to offer any more guidance than before, especially as I've spent only 5 days total in the city. (That may change though after my next trip this fall.) Maybe RJFF has a stronger opinion? –StellarD (talk) 21:43, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Hello Thanks a lot for your addition of a dynamic map of districts. I actually had wished for a district map, but was not able to produce one myself.
 * However, I am not 100 % happy with the tailoring of districts done by you. As I tried to make clear on this talk page as well as in the introductions to Madrid/Chamberí-Castellana and Madrid/Arganzuela, I intended these articles to include Chamberí, Castellana and other northern districts (or suburbs, as you call them), respectively Arganzuela and other southern districts. So these articles deliberately include a few listings outside Chamberí-Castellana or Arganzuela proper. Likewise, I imagined Madrid/Salamanca and Madrid/Retiro-Paseo del Arte to include the districts to their east. The reason for this is merely pragmatic: There are barely any points of touristic interest in the northern and southern suburbs as defined by you, so I do not see the necessity for creating separate articles, instead covering them in the articles of the nearest district that is more relevant to travellers. I took the inspiration for this approach from the districts of Bangkok where e.g. Bangkok/Ramkhamhaeng covers much more than the actual Ramkhamhaeng area but rather serves as a blanket name for all of the less-known eastern districts. To be completely exact, we could rename these articles to Madrid/North and Madrid/South, but I thought they were easier to find via search engines and get more pageviews if they are named after relatively well-known districts instead of generic points of the compass.
 * Regarding the extent of Moncloa, I have also seen the problem of including Plaza de España and the Templo de Debod (which, perceivedly, are still part of, or very close to, the city centre) in this article. But I do not see a convincing alternative, as they definitely do not belong with Malasaña or La Latina.
 * Moreover, I would propose to use a slightly different colour scheme as e.g. the shades of green used for Retiro–Paseo del Arte, Moncloa, and the Southern Suburbs are too similar in my view.
 * Please excuse my nitpicking, all in all I am very thankful for your work. --RJFF (talk) 15:25, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Hi RJFF! Sorry for this very late reply.
 * Do you want me to include Southern Suburbs to Madrid/Arganzuela and Northern Suburbs to Madrid/Chamberí-Castellana? But then the naming would be a bit misleading, if they cover much larger parts of the city than just those 2 districts.
 * I increase the area of Madrid/Retiro-Paseo_del_Arte to the west, so that the museums are covered in this article?
 * I will update the color scheme. Some proposals are appreciated.
 * --Renek78 (talk) 20:16, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

 * ad 1. My idea was to include points of interest in outlying, rarely visited areas in the article on the nearest well-known district. So Madrid/Chamberí-Castellana would cover the whole north (Chamartín, Tetuán, Fuencarral-El Pardo; northern parts of Ciudad Lineal, Hortaleza and Barajas), Madrid/Salamanca northeast (San Blas; the remaining parts of Ciudad Lineal, Hortaleza and Barajas), Madrid/Retiro-Paseo del Arte southeast (Moratalaz, Vicálvaro; northern parts of Puente de Vallecas), Madrid/Arganzuela south (Carabanchel, Usera, Villaverde, Villa de Vallecas; parts of Latina and Puente de Vallecas) and Madrid/Moncloa west (remaining parts of Latina). The articles Madrid/Southern Suburbs and Madrid/Northern Suburbs would be unnecessary. According to my proposal, the article titles should be understood in a "pars pro toto" way, not in an exact or exclusive one. I don't find this misleading, but justified, as the vast majority of points of interests in each article is concentrated in the respective eponymous areas, while only a few scattered POIs would be outside of them. After all, we are writing a travel guide, not an encyclopedia, so a focus on tourist-relevant areas is expedient. I think the guidelines at WV:Geographical hierarchy support this approach: it fits the 7 ± 2 rule; "avoid creating a separate district article until we have enough content for it" (there would not be enough content for separate articles on the Northern and Southern suburbs) and "The legal divisions in the geography of the world (...) don't necessarily make for reasonable travel divisions", so we may make up districts along a traveler's point of view, ignoring official district borders. Of course, this makes drawing the district map a bit more difficult. For example, I would include the southern portions of Ciudad Lineal and Hortaleza in the Salamanca article, as they are conveniently accessible from Salamanca, but lump the northern parts of these districts with Chamberí-Castellana, as they are closer to the Castellana area. I think, this makes sense from a traveller's perspective, as the administrative limits are irrelevant to them.
 * ad 2. Yes, that would be great. See the district limits in the Madrid/Retiro-Paseo del Arte article.
 * ad 3. Good. I don't have any particular ideas, just make sure that the colours of neighbouring districts are easy to distinguish. Thank you! --RJFF (talk) 16:03, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * ad 3. Good. I don't have any particular ideas, just make sure that the colours of neighbouring districts are easy to distinguish. Thank you! --RJFF (talk) 16:03, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata items for dynamic map
Below is the list with all Wikidata items for the districts of Madrid. This should simplify the work in case we want to change the district set-up in the future.--Renek78 (talk) 20:40, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Finishing the districts
Since the listings got de-synced pretty quickly fromt he ones in the districts, I resynced those again and moved them. However, the "See" and "Do" sections may need some more love. Please plunge forward, whoever wants... -- andree.sk (talk) 19:49, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * wouldn't finishing also imply doing something about the redlinks? Hobbitschuster (talk) 01:07, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * which ones? -- andree.sk (talk) 05:57, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I thought the northern or southern suburbs were still a redlink... Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:42, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

I am not sure if you overlooked my arguments against the creation of the Northern/Southern suburb articles, or noted but rejected them. My concept of distrification was to place the suburbs (that have very little points of interest for travelers) with the respective nearest better-known district: Madrid/Chamberí-Castellana would include everything to its north, Madrid/Salamanca to the northeast, Madrid/Retiro-Paseo del Arte to the east, Madrid/Arganzuela to the south and Madrid/Moncloa covers the whole west anyway. The names of the district articles should be understood in a pars-pro-toto way, not in their strict, administrative sense. I do not see the point of having seperate articles that only cover dull residential suburbs with, if any, a handfull of scattered points of touristic interest. Moreover, it is misleading to mention the Santiago Bernabeu stadium in the description of "Northern Suburbs" when it is located on the Paseo de la Castellana and therefore covered in the Madrid/Chamberí-Castellana article. --RJFF (talk) 10:12, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Please note that the listings in Madrid/Northern Suburbs are mostly redundant with those in Madrid/Chamberí-Castellana. --RJFF (talk) 10:23, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * : As I wrote, the problem was that the work was started and then left untouched for > 1 year. In the meantime, it became a huge mess of what is up-to-date, and duplicated between main article and the sub-articles. TBH, I didn't cross-check between the sub-articles for duplicates - and mainly, Madrid/Chamberí-Castellana wasn't shown in the Madrid region overview map, so I probably simply overlooked it. I don't object merging/removing Northern Suburbs or whatever, but obviously I'm not that knowledgeable about the city to go and fix/merge/move around the districts. So please, do as you see fit. I can try to help you, if you have a clear idea what to do, and especially where the borders should be. IMO the borders should be clearly defined, otherwise it's hard to navigate the map to search for POIs.... But, for example I couldn't find a better place for 'Museo Nacional de Ciencia y Tecnología', even though strictly speaking it's outside the official borders of the region... -- andree.sk (talk) 11:20, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether I said it before, but I'll say it now: I do not particularly care what the exact district layout is as long as it contains neither overlaps nor redlinks and as long as it is clear, where which district begins and ends... Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:45, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

District descriptions
The district descriptions are really long. They should give a brief description, and not get into details. Article_skeleton_templates/Sections says:
 * "You should list the districts here, as well as a short blurb (per One-liner listings) about the district that lets readers know what is most relevant about the district for travel, what neighborhoods constitute the district, etc. "

Does anyone want to try to cut these down? Ground Zero (talk) 05:37, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * might know something... I think we should leave the decision what is "useless clutter" to those who actually know the city (I've been there for a week recently) Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:21, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Language schools
Hello According to WV:Huge city article template, language schools should be listed in the main article on the city; a "learn" section is not included in the WV:District article template. In my opinion, this makes sense: Unlike sights, restaurants and the like, there are usually just a few language schools per city; and you don't go there just once as part of a sight-seeing walk, but typically attend the school regularly during your stay. --RJFF (talk) 18:11, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

 * The language in WV:Huge city article template is ambiguous but does not say to use listing templates. It says to cover language schools. So as in other sections, highlights can be mentioned, with links to the district articles where full listings are given. There is absolutely nothing preventing "Learn" from being optionally added to district articles, although it's not part of the template, and even if not, "learn" listings could be put in a separate section of "Do". Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:12, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with Ikan Kekek that there isn't a clear policy here. The language schools section was expanding and taking up a big chunk of the Madrid article although it would be if interest to only a few people. A summary in the city article and listings in the district articles addresses this problem. Are there other ways of dealing with it? Ground Zero (talk) 07:20, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

New banner

The current banner is quite dull and generic. I am proposing a new one. Comments? Ground Zero (talk) 16:06, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I prefer the current banner to the new proposal, but weakly. The second seems to be overly wreathed in shadows, but the first is, as you say, quite generic. I might go looking through Commons to see if there's anything better to make something out of. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 16:09, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The second looks better to me.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:12, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I prefer the second as well. Added banners 3 to 5 to choose from as well. --Renek78 (talk) 20:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I prefer banner 2, then 3. Banner 4 would be a lot nicer if it were possible not to crop the top like that (nor crop the bottom further than it is currently cropped). Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:35, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the new options. My preference is also 2, 3, 4. Ground Zero (talk) 21:52, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I just went ahead and changed the page banner to banner 2. Furthermore added a new version of banner 4 - cropped at a bit higher. Would be nicer to get the whole structure in the pic though.--Renek78 (talk) 22:51, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. 4a and 4 are on about the same level to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:43, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Destination of the Month?
Spain is under-featured. Could this article make Destination of the Month? Or is something missing? /Yvwv (talk) 19:01, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

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anyone know if this is a real "region" and not just a resort? Have we really nailed down the "resort" issue? I still like dealing with them like large attractions, but I dont know if this has been tested yet... thought? (WT-en) Majnoona 01:14, 28 Jan 2004 (EST)

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The old name of Madyan was "CHORAI". It was due to the musical sound of water flowing everywhere in Madyan and where ever you go there is splashing sound of water. The name of Madyan was given to it by Badshah Sahib.

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The people of Madyan are social, generous, accommodative, tolerant, loving and hospitable. Due to all these qualities Madyan being a small village is famous in western world in particular tired western tourists have two choices to relax one is Madyan in Pakistan and the other is Gowa in India.

The total population of Madyan village is 1600. The area of Madyan village is 1699 acre.

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Talk:Mae Hong Son

This is a really great little guide. Well done!

TAT Listings
I listed some TAT listings from the Mae Hong Son (province) page at Talk:Mae Hong Son/Listings. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:36, 4 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Mae Hong Son/Listings

Amphoe Mueang Mae Hong Son

 * Phraya Singhanatracha Memorial (อนุสาวรีย์พระยาสิงหนาทราชา) situated at the foot of Doi Kong Mu, this monument commemorates the first governor of Mae Hong Son. Phraya Singhanatracha is a Thai Yai native from Burma (Myanmar).  He was regarded by the people as the governor of Khun Yuam Town, which was to the south of Mae Hong Son.  Later, he was officially installed as the governor of Mae Hong Son by the King of Lanna in 1874.

 * Wat Phra That Doi Kong Mu (วัดพระธาตุดอยกองมู) erected by the first governor of Mae Hong Son, this temple reflects the strong influence of the Burmese. The highlights of this attraction are the two lavishly decorated pagodas. Also, this hilltop temple affords an exceptional aerial view of the city and surrounding mountains and valleys.
 * Wat Phra Non (วัดพระนอน) This temple at the foot of Doi Kong Mu houses a 12-metre long reclining Buddha image in the Thai Yai style. The image was cast in 1875 by Phranang Miah, the wife of Phraya Singhanatracha.  Another main feature of the temple is the two large sculpted lions lying side by side, presumably providing the passage for those going up to pay homage to the Holy Relic on the hill.

 * Wat Kam Ko (วัดก้ำก่อ) is opposite to Wat Phra Non, Wat Kam Ko is a Burmese-style temple built in 1890. A special architectural feature is the cover over the passageway from the entrance arch to the chapel.  It also stores text in Thai Yai script chronicling the Thai Yai history.

 * Wat Hua Wiang (วัดหัวเวียง), another name is Wat Klang Mueang. This temple is on Sihanatbamrung Road next to the morning market.  Built in 1863, the temple houses the Phra Chao Pharalakhaeng, a Buddha statue dressed in beautiful attire.  It is a replica of a major statue in Mandalay, Burma.

 * Morning Market (ตลาดเช้า) is near Wat Hua Wiang on Sihanatbamrung Road, this lively market is crowded from early morning till 9 am. It is where visitors can see people lifestyle and buy various local food and produces.

 * Wat Chong Kham (วัดจองคำ) This is an old temple on the bank of the swamp Nong Chong Kham. It was built in 1827 by Thai Yai artisans.  The pillars are gilded in golden flakes.  The temple houses a large Buddha statue with a lap width of 4.85 metres cast by Burmese craftsmen.  Another staue is a replica of the Buddha image in Wat Suthat in Bangkok.

 * Wat Chong Klang (วัดจองกลาง), next to Wat Chong Kham, is a temple where a replica of the Phra Phuttha Sihing is installed on an altar. There are several interesting items such as wooden figurines of human and animals depicted in the Phra Vejsandon Jakata (pronounced Cha-dok which means one of odd stories of former incarnations of the Buddha) created by Burmese craftsmen and brought over in 1857, painting on glass about the Jakata and on Prince Siddhartha, as well as on the ways of life of the time.  The captions are in Burmese.  There are also notations that the paintings were by Thai Yai artisans from Mandalay.

 * Mae Hong Son Royal Folk Art Center (ศูนย์ศิลปาชีพจังหวัดแม่ฮ่องสอน) at 128/2 Khunlumpraphat Rd., is a training center for craftspeople from local and hill-tribe under the auspices of Queen Sirikit’s Promotion of Supplement Occupations & Related Techniques (SUPPORT) foundation. While demonstrated techniques at work, handicraft products also available such as silk, cotton, weaving works, silver works. Open: Monday-Saturday from 8.00 a.m.-4.30 p.m., Tel: 0 5361 1244 for additional information.

 * Pha Bong Hot Spring (บ่อน้ำร้อนผาบ่อง) cover an area of 3 acres, Pha Bong Hot Spring is located about 10 kilometres from town on Highway No.108. There are mineral water bathrooms served.

 * Pha Bong Waterfall (น้ำตกผาบ่อง) located on Highway No.108 about 12 kilometres from town. It is just a bit further from Pha Bong Hot Spring.

Tham Pla (ถ้ำปลา) about 17 kilometres from town on Highway No. 1095 (Mae Hong Son-Pai), Tham Pla is a popular attraction of Mae Hong Son. The surrounding areas are brooks and cool hilly forests suitable for relaxation. A special feature is the hollow cave filled with numerous freshwater fish known as Pla Mung or Pla Khang, which is of the same family as the carp. The fish are quite safe from being caught as they are believed to belong to the gods. Namtok Pha Suea (น้ำตกผาเสื่อ), this waterfall is in Tambon Mokchampae about 26 kilometres from the provincial seat on Route 1095 to Pai district with a left turn at Km. 191. It is a large fall with its water source in Burma and runs full during the late rainy season (August-September).
 * Tham Pla – Pha Suea National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติถ้ำปลา-ผาเสื่อ) This comprises the following attractions:

Accommodation is available in the national park. Please contact Tel: 0 5369 2055 or 0 2562 0760 or www.dnp.go.th Pang Tong Royal Pavilion (พระตำหนักปางตอง), this is a hilltop pavilion at Ban Mokchampae, some 5 kilometres beyond Namtok Pha Suea. It is open everyday from 8.30 a.m.-4.30 p.m.

Ban Nam Pieng Din (บ้านน้ำเพียงดิน) in Tambon Pa Bong is a place to set off Pai river trip by long-tailed boat. The natural scenery along both sides of the river passed Ban Huay Deua is very interesting. Sometimes, tourists may see the Padaung (long-necked people) who fled to Mae Hong Son. Women wear the brass ornaments around their neck like big rings are actually detachable coils that depress the collarbone, making it look as though unnaturally-stretched neck. Ban Rak Thai (บ้านรักไทย), this village is situated 44 kilometres from Mae Hong Son via Namtok Pha Suea near the Thai-Myanmar border. Founded by Kuomintang Chinese soldiers, the village is famous for its breathtaking views and tea cultivation. Visitors can see how the tea is grown and harvested and taste some delicious U-long tea. An annual Tea Tasting Festival is held at Ban Rak Thai in February.

Phu Khlon Country Club (ภูโคลนคันทรีคลับ) at Mu 2 Ban Mae Sa-Nga, 10 km from downtown. Take Highway No.1089 Mae Hong Son-Pai route for 6 km. Then, turn left to Ban Kung Mai Sak-Ban Huai Khan Rd., for 4 km. Phu Khlon is on your right. This place is a spa resort where a natural black mud essential to skin care and therapeutic benefits and serve facial mask, body mask, mineral bathe. Open daily from 8AM-5PM. For additional information, call 08 1473 8013, 08 6198 0722

Amphoe Pang Mapha
Tham Lot (ถ้ำลอด) is a huge cave system once a dwelling place of pre-historic man. Archaeologists have discovered ancient clay pottery and a number of carved wooden coffins inside the “rooms” of the cave. Tham Lot is located some 77 kilometres from town. Between Km.138 and Km.139 of Route 1095, a small roads lead to the cave after a 9-kilometre drive. Here nature has created an exotic subterranean wonder of darkness and mystery. A brook runs from the cave mouth through to the other side of the mountain. It is a route where visitors may travel by raft or by foot to explore the 1-kilometre-long cave full of stalactites and stalagmites. There are services provided by villagers to guide visitors in their exploration at 150 baht per group. Accommodation as well as camping site is available near the Tham Lot Nature Study Centre in front of the cave mouth.

Tham Mae Lana (ถ้ำแม่ละนา), in Mae Lana village where tourist can see Thai Yai’s way of life. The cave is about 4 km from this village. The longest stream, about 12 km, flows through the cave. Travelling here, tourists have to walk all the way without stopping to the other side of it where you can see wonderful waterfall, magnificent pearl and stalactite and stalagmite. This cave is suitable only for adventurous tourists. Mae Lana Cave is 4 kilometers beyond the village, 73 km from Mae Hong Son on Highway No.1095, and turn left into Route 1226 go along the way about 6 km to get to Ban Mae Lana where a local guide and home-stay is available call 0 5361 9208.

Amphoe Pai
Enclosed in a lofty mountain range, Pai district is endowed with many forms of natural wonders such as waterfalls, gorges, caves and hot springs. The famous destination for adventurous travellers is Pai River, the longest river in Mae Hong Son which welcomes its visitors with a series of rapids dancing along its scenic gorges.

Maenam Pai (แม่น้ำปาย) is the longest river in Mae Hong Son, originated at Thanon Tongchai and Danlao mountain ranges through Pai which flows to the south passes by Mueang Mae Hong Son and eventually joins the Salawin river in Kaya, Myanmar, a total distance of 180 kilometres. Its depth is one meter in Summer. In rainy season the tide is very strong so tourist should have a professional guide for rafting. Rafting trip is very popular during July to December either bamboo rafts or rubber rafts. Many travel agents provide such a trip, for more information, please contact TAT Mae Hong Son at 0 5361 2982-3.

Wat Klang (วัดกลาง) in Tambon Wiang Tai. The Chedi is in Thai Yai style, housed Buddha images of the days. Others small Chedi are in Mon style.

Wat Nam Hoo (วัดน้ำฮู) at Mu 5 Tambon Wiang Tai, located 3 km from Pai hospital. This temple housed Phra Un Mueang, sacred Buddha image in Lanna style, 500 years of age, in the attitude of Subduing Mara (victory over Mara). The head of the image could opened and always appears water seepage inside.

Wat Phra That Mae Ten (วัดพระธาตุแม่เย็น) at Ban Mae Yen, Tambon Mae Hee en route Pai-Mae Hong Son. The Chedi located on a hill with a good panoramic view of Amphoe pai.

Namtok Mor Paeng (น้ำตกหมอแปง) at Mu 4 Ban Mor Paeng Tambon Mae Na Toeng, is about 6 km from Pai’s town. The fall is 5 metre height with good atmosphere and suitable for swimming.

Mueang Paeng Hot Spring (โป่งน้ำร้อนเมืองแปง) is 28 km from Pai’s town. Take Highway No.1095 Pai-Mae Malai route, then, turn right at km 85-86 to take Highway No. 1065. This is a big hot spring with average temperature of 95 celcius.

Huai Nam Dang National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติห้วยน้ำดัง) At km 65 on the Pai-Mae Malai route (No.1095), there is a turning leading to the headquarters of the Huai Nam Dang National Park. Visitors can spend the night in tents to wait for the spectacular views of sunrise and mist-shrouded mountain views in the morning. Cherry blossom during January adds charms to the attraction.

Pong Dueat Hot Spring (โป่งเดือด) This is a geyser type hot spring which rises up 2 metres high. At Km. 42 of Route 1095, there is a six-kilometre road leading to the hot spring.

Accommodation in the national park is available, please call 0 5322 9754 or 0 2562 0760 or

Tha Pai Hot Spring (โป่งน้ำร้อนท่าปาย), this is another attraction in the area of Huai Nam Dang National Park. The hot spring is two kilometres off Route 1095 at Km. 87. It has an average temperature of 80 celcius. Steam from the spring permeates the site in the morning creating fascinating sights. The area is also rich in teakwoods and suitable for overnight camping.

Pai Notes
 * Positive: The popularity of Pai over the past years has phenomenal and is now growing into a bustling foreign-orientated town. Economically speaking, this is excellent.

There are plenty of other pretty places in the vicinity of Pai, so if you want to escape to a quiet place it is advised to stay elsewhere.
 * Negative: Pai town has turned into a bit like the ‘wild-west’ attracting a lot of foreign tourists who are there only for the wrong reasons like taking narcotics and getting drunk every night. There has been a soar in the amount of crime which has taken place and the local prison cells are full of reckless foreign tourists every night.

Amphoe Khun Yuam
Wat Muai Tor (วัดม่วยต่อ) is on Highway No.108 from Mae Hong Son province, on the left side. The Chedi is fully decorated in Mon style. There is an upright of infirmary where injured soldiers were cured during World War II. Ashes of the Japanese soldiers who died during that time were kept along the temple’s fence.

Khun Yuam Indigenous Cultural Center (ศูนย์วัฒนธรรมท้องถิ่นอำเภอขุนยวม) Located at Km. 200 on Highway No. 108, the centre has a considerable collection of Thai Yai and other hill-tribes handicrafted products. It also displays military accessories and equipment of the Japanese army which entered Khun Yuam district during World War II. The World War II Museum (พิ��ิธภัณฑ์สงครามโลก) located next to the cultural center. The museum displays military equipments, accessories, weapons, clothes, photos etc. of Japanese Army which entered Amphoe Khun Yuam during World War II.

Wat To Phae (วัดต่อแพ) This temple is located 7 kilometres from Khun Yuam having a large beautiful Burmese style Viharn. According to the legend, it is said that raft assembling people used to gather up in this area prior to making a teak trees raft trip to the marketing places.

Bua Tong Fields at Doi Mae U-Kho (ทุ่งดอกบัวตองดอยแม่อูคอ) The Dok Bua Tong (may be classified as wild sunflowers) blooms during November painting the entire hilly area of Doi Mae U-kho in brilliant yellow draw flocks of visitors to Khun Yuam district. Camping sites arranged during the Bua Tong Bloom Festival is 26 kilometers from the district on Highway No. 1263.

Namtok Mae U-Kho (น้ำตกแม่อูคอ), this is a 30-metre-high waterfall situated 3 kilometres off the route to Doi Mae U-kho.

Namtok Mae Surin National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติน้ำตกแม่สุรินทร์), given national park status in 1981, this natural wonder, which straddles Mueang and Khun Yuam districts, encompasses a wildlife and botanical reserve, a huge waterfall and a spectacular terraced mountain.

Namtok Mae Surin, its main attraction, is 37 kilometres from Khun Yuam district. It is a huge waterfall cascading eighty meters down below. Accommodation in the national park is available, please call 0 5361 2996, 08 1724 7274, 0 2562 0760 or

Amphoe Mae Sariang
Wat Kittiwong (วัดกิตติวงศ์), this temple enshrines Lord Buddha’s relics brought from Chiang Mai. The door and window of the chapel are decorated with beautiful stucco designs.

Wat Phra That Chomthong (วัดพระธาตุจอมทอง) 1 kilometre up to a hill near Mae Sariang district, this temple enshrines a huge Buddha image and overlooks the beautiful scenery of Mae Sariang.

Pha Ma Lo Karen Village (หมู่บ้านกะเหรี่ยงพะมะลอ) is a large Karen village, located 3 km. from the market place where hand woven fabric is produced for sale at a reasonable price.

The Tribal Development & Assistance Center (ศูนย์พัฒนาและสงเคราะห์ชาวเขา), at km.84 on Doi Mae Ho is administrated by the Public Welfare Department. Most of the hill-tribe people in this center are of Karen ancestry. The scenic area is noted for colourful flower plantation. Bua Tong or wild sunflowers bloom covering the entire valley during November annually.

Amphoe Sop Moei
Salawin National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติสาละวิน) covers a forested area of 721 square kilometers. The Salawin National Park is on the bank of Salawin River on the Thai-Myanmar border, about 164 kilometres south of Mae Hong Son. The Salawin River originates from Tibet before winding through China, Thailand and Myanmar for a total distance of more than 3,000 kilometres. The river is regarded as the borderline between Myanmar and Thailand for a distance of 120 kilometres.

Mae Sam Laep (บ้านแม่สามแลบ) is a village on Salawin River, 62 km. from Amphoe Sop Moei on Highway No.1085. The renowned attraction among visitors is the point where Salawin River and Moei River meet. The village is situated within a deep valley facing Myanmar with white sandy beach on some part of the back.

Visitors who want to take a boat along the river have to contact the park headquarters for their safety during the journey. The headquarters also provide accommodation and other facilities. To get to the headquarters, one can take Route 1194 from Mae Sariang district for about 4 kilometres, then turn right and continue along a dirt road for 4 kilometres. The best time for boat trip is from March to April when the water level is low and sandy beaches appear. Sceneries along the riverbanks are captivating with forest and mountains and dotted with small hamlets. For more information, contact Salawin National Park: P.O. Box 8, Mae Sariang, Mae Hong Son 58110 Tel: 08 1366 7356 or 0 2562 0760 or visit http://www.dnp.go.th

Do

 * Rafting along the Pai River This is an exciting and delightful recreation. The best time for rafting is from July to December. There are several eminently part suitable for rafting pass rapids and natural scenery including beautiful waterfalls. Contact a tour agent at Pai like Thai Adventure Rafting Tel: 0 5369 9111, Northern Green Tour Tel: 0 5369 8128 Mae Hong Son Adventure Tel. 08 1884 5025, Pai in The Sky Tel.0 5369 8145, Back Trax Tour-Trekking Tel.0 5369 7939 or in Muaeng district who operate the trip, some also provide elephant rides. Or call TAT Mae Hong Son at 0 5361 2982-3.

 * Mountain Biking The centre for mountain biking adventure is Pai district, where several bike shops rent out bikes and gear to tourists. Bike tours explore nearby and remote hilltribe villages, waterfalls and hot springs. The best time is November-May.  Experienced guides are ready to lead biking parties through breathtaking back-country trails for up to a week.  There are natural cycle paths through the forest, first trod by animals then beaten by man.  They range from as narrow as a single person’s stride or as wide as an elephant or ox cart.
 * Hilltribe Trekking Mae Hong Son has several tour operators that specialise in trekking. Treks are designed to expose visitors to splendor nature and a variety of hilltribes.  The adventure may combine jungle walks with elephant riding and river rafting. The cool winter months of November to February are the best time to travel. Avoid the height of the rainy season in August and September.  In the dry months between March and May, the temperature can soar uncomfortably high for strenuous mountain hikes.

 * Elephant Trekking Mae Hong Son is known all over Thailand for its sturdy and strong elephants, so what better way to have a fun day out than sitting atop one of these great beasts and be in the safe hands of a knowledgeable mahout.

 * Spas
 * Phu Khlon Country Club (ภูโคลนคันทรีคลับ) Mu 2 Ban Mae Sa-Nga, Amphoe Mueang Mae Hong Son, 10 km. from town Tel: 08 1473 8013, 08 6198 0722
 * Pai Hot Spring Spa Resort (ปปายฮอทสปริงสปารีสอร์ท) 84-84/1 Mu 2 Tambon Mae Hee, Amphoe Pai Tel: 0 5369 3267
 * Aroma Pai Spa (อโมราปายสปา) 110  Mu 2 Tambon Mae Hee, Amphoe Pai Tel: 0 53065 745
 * Day Spas
 * Sawan-nga Health Clinic (คลีนิคสวันงาส่งเสริมสุขภาพแผนไทย) Khumlumpraphat Road (at Mae Hong Son Provincial Health Office) Tel. +66 5361 1549, +66 5361 1281, +66 5361 1324
 * Spas in Hotels/Resorts
 * Imperial Spa at Imperial Tara Mae Hong Son.
 * Spa at Pai Hotspring Spa Resort
 * Health Mud Spa at Phu Klon Country Club (www.pooklon.com)

Events and Festivals

 * Poi Sang Long Procession (งานประเพณีปอยส่างลอง) This is in fact the celebration of novice ordination which the Thai Yai tribe people hold to be a highly meritorious occasion. Traditionally, the candidate-novice, his head cleanly shaven and wrapped with head-cloth in the Burmese style, will don a prince-like garment and put on valuable jewels and gems, and ride a horse or be carried over the shoulders of a man to the city shrine.  On the ordination eve, a procession of offerings and other necessary personal belongings will be paraded through the town streets and then placed at the monastery where the ordination will take place the next day.  It is usually held during March-May before the Buddhist Rain Retreat period.

 * Chong Phara Procession (งานประเพณีจองพารา) The Chong Phara in the Thai Yai dialect means a castle made of wood, covered with colourful perforated papers and decorated with fruits, flags and lamps. It is placed in the courtyard of a house or a monastery as a gesture to welcome the Lord Buddha on his return from giving sermons to his mother in heaven, according to traditional belief. Other activities to celebrate the occasion include dances where performers are dressed in animal costumes.  The rite is held during the post rain retreat season from the full-moon day of the 11th Lunar month (around October) to the waxing moon night of the same month.

 * Bua Tong Blossom Festival (งานวันดอกบัวตองบาน) Each year in November, the hillsides of Khun Yuam and Mae Sariang districts are filled with a host of golden Bua Tong Blooms. As gay as a daisy and almost as large as a sunflower, the Bua Tong only blossoms for a month.
 * At Doi Mae U-Kho, the blossoms appear profusely. Finally, the golden blooms become part of the scene.  Some specialists have classified these Bua Tong as weeds and because of this, they may be cleared to make way for cash crops.  Fortunately a group of researchers have discovered the flower’s insect-repellent properties.  And perhaps that is why the Bua Tong, a symbol of Mae Hong Son, is still preserved on the hillsides.

 * Loi Krathong Festival (ประเพณีลอยกระทง หรือ งานเหลินสิบสอง) Loi Krathong Festival is held on the full moon night in the month of November every year. Villagers make “krathongs” to float in rivers.  At Nong Chong Kham, various entertainments and a contest of large krathongs are held near the central pond.  Lamps and candles are lit all around the area.  Moreover, at Wat Phra That Doi Kong Mu, there is a ceremony of releasing candle-lit krathongs bound with balloons to the sky (known as “Loi Krathong Sawan”).

Itineraries
Suggested Tour Program (On the route: Chiang Mai-Pai-Mae Hong Son-Mae Sariang-Chiang Mai)

Day 1
 * 07.00 hrs. - Leave Chiang Mai For Amphoe Pai, Visit Pong Dueat Hot Spring 500 m. walk on the route to see hot spring)
 * 10.00 hrs.- Depart to Huai Nam Dang National Park
 * 11.30 hrs. - Depart to Pai, Lunch in Pai, Visit Wat Nam Hoo, Wat Prathat Mae Yen, Santichon Chinese Yunnan village, Stay Overnight in Pai

Day 2
 * 07.00 hrs.	-Breakfast, Depart to Tham Lot at Pang Mapha, Visit Tham Pla or fish cave in Muaeng District before reaching Mae

 * Hong Son town Overnight in Amphoe Mueang Mae Hong Son
 * Leave for Ban Nam Pieng Din
 * Sightseeing Pai river by long-tailed boat
 * Visit Tribal village
 * Lunch, back to the pier
 * Visit Phu Khlon Country Club (spa)
 * Back to downtown
 * Visit Wat Phra That Doi Kong Mu
 * Pay homage to Phra Chao Pharalakhaeng at Wat Hua Wiang and Wat Chong Kham
 * Overnight

Day 3
 * 06.00 hrs.	-Visit Morning market and breakfast
 * Leave Mae Hong Son for Chiang Mai on Mae Sariang route
 * -Visit World War II Museum at Amphoe Khun Yuam
 * Lunch
 * (During Nov.-Dec. visit Doi Mae U-Kho to see Golden Bua Tong Bloom)
 * Back to Chiang Mai or stay overnight in Mae Sariang.

Learn
While in Mae Hong Son, do take the splendid opportunity to live with the hill-tribes and learn about their unique culture and way of life. To arrange this talk a reliable guide and ask him for advice on which hill-tribe village is hospitable and open to foreigners. Your guide will be able to take you and arrange accommodation via the village headman. Otherwise, just find out the knowledge yourself and go alone. A couple of the hill-tribe villages (one especially near the waterfall) a few kilometers from Pai town are infamous for working in the narcotics trade, so they should be completely avoided.

Buy
Being in a cool valley, Mae Hong Son is suitable for tea-growing. The main area of tea plantations is at Ban Rak Thai, a village near the border between Thailand and Burma.

 * The traditional headgear called “Kup” worn by the Thai Yai is wide-brimmed with taper top. Together with bamboo blinds and Karen woven fabrics, they are quite popular items to buy among visitors.

 * The Mae Hong Son Royal Folk Art Centre (ศูนย์ศิลปาชีพจังหวัดแม่ฮ่องสอน) on Khunlumpraphat Road offers a variety of hand-made products from woven fabric to wickerware and visitors can have an opportunity to see how the handicrafts are made.

 * OTOP Product in Amphoe Mae Sariang Tel: 0 5368 1296, 0 5368 2041

Shops

 * The Mae Hong Son Royal Folk Art Centre in the provincial town sells a variety of hand-made woven-fabric and wicker ware.

Eat
Typical northern food consists of:
 * Nam Prik Ong is a type of chili paste which is made of minced pork and tomatoes. It is usally eaten with soft-boiled vegetables, pork crackling or deep-fried crunchy rice cakes.

 * Nam Prik Noom meaning in English Chili Paste Young Man, is another kind of paste that is extremely popular in the north and eaten also by Thais of all regions. It is often eaten with pork crackling

 * Sai Ua is a local sausage that is very aromatic and spicy and usually is eaten with sticky rice.

Kaeng meaning curries are not made of coconut milk in the north.
 * Kaeng Hang-Le is northern-style pork curry
 * Kaeng Om is a spicy curry consisting of intestines
 * Kaeng Khae is a spicy curry consisting of vegetables.
 * Khanom Chin Nam Ngiao is a traditional noodle dish with chicken of the North.
 * Khao Soi is another popular noodle dish which can be made from chicken, pork or beef. What makes it unique is that it contains coconut milk and it is garnished with garlic.

Thai Yai Specialities
 * Kaow Som is cooked rice mixed with turmeric. It is then mixed with tomato into a small ball and eaten with fried chilies and green peas.

 * Kaow Lhueng is cooked rice mixed with turmeric. It is then made into a small ball and sprinkled with fried onion. It is usually eaten with pork balls.

 * Kaow Kan Jeen is cooked rice mixed with the blood of fowls and steamed with fried onion. It is eaten with fried chilies.

 * Tua Pae Yee & Tua Pae Lau looks like normal bean .Tua Pae Yee is a dipped fried soybean and Tau Pae Lau is a fried soybean with salt.

 * Souy Tamin is a dessert, made of sticky rice, coconut milk and sugarcane sugar.

Thai Yai cuisine can be tried at the following locations:

 * Morning market in A.Muang : Between Singha Nart Bumrung road and Laeng Panit road.
 * Morning market in A.Pai : Rung Siyanon road
 * Morning market in A.Khun Youm :Highway No.105
 * Morning market in A.Mae Sariang : Sarid Phon road.

Amphoe Mueang Mae Hong Son

 * Bai Fern (ใบเฟิร์น) 87 Khunlumpraphat Rd., Tel: 0 5361 1374
 * Chalet Pub (ชาเลต์ ผับ) in Baiyok Chalet Hotel, 90 Khunlumprapat Rd., Tel: 0 5361 1486, 0 5361 1536, 0 5361 3132-9
 * Joke Sawoei (โจ๊กเสวย) 11/10 Niwetphaisan Rd., (in the municipal market), Tel: 0 5361 2020
 * Khai Muk (ไข่มุก) 23 Udomchaonithet Rd., Tel: 0 5361 2092, 0 5361 2385
 * Khao Soi Panun (ข้าวซอยป้านูญ) 9 Phadungmuaitor Rd., Tel: 0 5361 2384
 * Krua Thip (ครัวทิพย์) 23/1 Praditchongkham Rd., Tel: 0 5362 0553, 0 5361 3313
 * Oam Khao (อ้อมเขา) 5/1 Pracha Uthit Rd., Tel: 0 5361 1457
 * Phai Ngern (ไผ่เงิน) 70 Singhanatbamrung Rd., Tel: 0 5361 1013

Amphoe Pai

 * Choeng Doi (เชิงดอย) 116 Pai-Chiang Mai Rd., Tel: 0 5368 1778
 * Green (กรีน) 28 Mu 3 Chaisongkram Rd., Tel: 0 5369 9385
 * Nong Beer (น้องเบียร์) 39/1 Mu 1 Chaisongkram Rd., Tambon Wiang Tai, Tel: 0 5369 9103
 * Phrikwan (พริกหวาน) 24 Mu 1 Tambon Wiang Tai, Tel: 0 5369 9519
 * Sirinya (ศิรินญา) 55 Mu 8 Pai-Chiang Mai Rd., Tel: 0 5369 9178

Amphoe Pang Mapha

 * Lemon Hill (เลมอน ฮิลล์) 123 Mu 8 Pai-Mae Hong Son Rd., Tel: 0 5361 7039, 0 5361 7213

Amphoe Khun Yuam

 * Baan Farang Guesthouse (บ้านฝรั่ง เกส���์เฮาส์) 499 Mu 1 Ratburana Rd., Tambon Khun Yuam Tel: 0 5362 2085-6
 * Pinyo (ภิญโญ) in Mitr Khun Yuam Hotel 63 Mu 1 Ratburana 1 Rd., Tambon Khun Yuam Tel: 0 5369 1057, 0 5362 2181, 0 5369 1455

Amphoe Mae Sariang

 * Inthira (อินทิรา) 107/1 Wiang Mai Rd., Tambon Mae Sariang Tel: 0 5368 1529, 0 5368 1441
 * Renu (เรณู) 174/2 Wiang Mai Rd., Tambon Mae Sariang, Tel: 0 5368 1171 Fax: 0 5368 1144
 * Rimnam (ริมน้ำ) in the River House Resort 6/1 Mu 2 Laeng Phanit Rd., Tambon Mae Sariang Tel: 0 5368 3066 Fax: 0 5368 3067 Open: 06.30 a.m.-10.30 p.m. (Thai, Western Food)

Other

 * Chez Ton Phaditchongkam Road (Thai and foreign food)
 * Fern Restaurant On the road to Mae Sariang (Thai and Western Food)
 * Gai Mook
 * Ji Ji (Vegetarian Food)
 * La Tasca Khunlumparaphat Road (Italian Food) Lucky Restaurant (delicious Thai standards)
 * Lung Hom Udomchatnithet Road (Thai Food)
 * Salween River (Burmese and Shan Food)
 * Sunflower Cafe 7 Singhana Thoumrung Road (Fresh bread, Light Foreign and Vegetarian Food)
 * Teng Na (Northern Food)

Drink
In regards to nightlife, Mae Hong Son has very little besides the odd karaoke joint and open air restaurants selling alcohol and playing music. Pai District on the other hand is a mini Costa-del-sol with a countless amount of bars and live music venues – they can get very rowdy though. Joe Cumming’s (editor of Lonely Planet Thailand) and his well-known band the Tonic Rays often play at the best and most famous live music venue in Pai the Be-Bop Bar, contact the bar in advance for information on when Joe will be playing.

 * Bebop Bar Pai (Rock, blues, and live music bar)
 * Chilli Bar beside Friend Guest House, 29 Phaditchongkam Road
 * Crossroads Singhang Bamrung Road (Burgers, Spaghetti and A Few Standard Thai Dishes)
 * Edible Jazz's Pai (Open-air bar and café)
 * Khrua Biman Mae Sariang (Folk music bar)
 * Lakeside Bar Phaditchongkam Road (Buffet Barbecue)
 * Mellow Yellow Pai (Reggae bar)
 * Sabaay Corner on the main road to Mae Sariang (Live music Bar)
 * Ting Tong Loungegarden Pai (Cocktail Bar)

Sleep
Amphoe Mueang Mae Hong Son

Hotels

 * Baiyok Chalet (ใบหยกชาเล่ต์) 90 Khunlumpraphat Rd., (Tel: 0 5361 1486, 0 5361 1536, 0 5361 3132-9 Fax: 0 5361 1533), 37 rooms: 900-1,900 baht
 * Imperial Tara Mae Hong Son (อิมพีเรียลธาราแม่ฮ่องสอน) 149 Mu 8 Khunlumpraphat Rd., Tambon Pang Mu (Tel: 0 5361 1021-4, 0 5368 4444-9 Fax: 0 5361 1252 Bangkok Tel: 0 2261 9000, 0 2261 9530-4), 104 rooms: 1,500-5,000 baht
 * Mae Hong Son Mountain Inn Hotel & Resort (แม่ฮ่องสอนเมาน์เท่น อินน์ โฮเต็ล แอนด์ รีสอร์ท) 112 Khunlumpraphat Rd., (Tel: 0 5361 1802-3, 0 5361 2285, 0 5368 4143, 0 5368 4145 Fax: 0 5361 2284) www.mhsmountaininn.com, 69 rooms: 500-800 baht
 * Mae Hong Son Riverside (แม่ฮ่องสอนริเวอร์ไซด์) 165 Mu 3 Ban Huay Dua Tambon Pha Bong (Tel: 0 5361 1504, 0 5361 1406 Fax: 0 5361 3146), 40 rooms: 1,150-1,500 baht
 * Methee (เมธี) 55 Khunlumpraphat Rd., (Tel: 0 5361 2141, 0 5361 2121), 38 rooms: 150-450 baht
 * Panorama (บ้านพักนานาชาติพานอรามา แม่ฮ่องสอน) 54/1 Khunlumpraphat Rd., (Tel: 0 5361 1757-62 Fax: 0 5361 1790 Bangkok Tel: 0 2628 7413-5), www.panorama.8m.com, www.panhostel.com E-mail: panorama@tyha.org, panorama@panhostel.com, 44 rooms: 300-800 baht

Resorts
 * Ban Kaew Resort (บ้านแก้ว รีสอร์ท) 14/1 Pang Lo Nikhom Rd., Soi 4 Tambon Chong Kham (Tel & Fax: 0 5361 3007 Bangkok Tel: 0 2212 4840) www.maehongsontravel.com/bkresort E-mail: ban_kaew@yahoo.com, 15 rooms: 500-1,200 baht, 5 houses: 800-2,400 baht
 * Ban Suan Klang Mueang Resort (บ้านสวนกลางเมือง รีสอร์ท) 105/2 Tambon Chong Kham (Tel: 0 5361 2477), 4 rooms: 350-500 baht
 * Ban Suan Rimtarn (บ้านสวนริมธาร) 18/4 Namakpin-Thung Kong Mu Rd., Ban Namakpin (Tel: 0 5361 3069, 0 5361 3404) www.maehongsontravel.com/rimtarn, 20 rooms: 300-1,500 baht
 * Fern Rimtarn Resort (เฟิร์นริมธาร รีสอร์ท) 64 Mu 10 Khunlumpraphat Rd., (Tel: 0 5368 6110-1, 0 5361 3585 Fax: 0 5361 2363), 30 rooms: 950-2,000 baht
 * Golden Hut Resort (โกลเดนฮัท รีสอร์ท) 253 Mu 11 Maksanti Rd., (Tel: 0 5361 1544, 0 5361 2306, Fax: 0 5361 3747), 32 rooms: 400-1,500 baht

Guesthouses
 * Cho (โจ) 3 Chamnansathit Rd., Soi 7 (Tel: 0 5361 2417), 7 rooms: 100-300 baht
 * Chong Kham (จองคำ) 7 Udomchaonithet Rd., Soi 4 Tambon Chong Kham (Tel & Fax: 0 5361 1420, 08 1950 9702), 10 rooms: 100-200 baht
 * Friend House (เฟรนด์เฮาส์) 20 Praditchongkham (Tel: 0 5362 0119, 08 6920 3312), 10 rooms: 150-300 baht
 * Holiday (ฮอลิเดย์) 23 Praditchongkham Rd., 5 rooms: 80 baht
 * Jean (จีน) 6/1 Pracha Uthit Rd., (Tel: 0 5361 1662 Fax: 0 5361 2906), 10 rooms: 80-150 baht
 * Johnny House (จอห์นนี่ เฮาส์) 5/2 Udomchaonithet Rd., (Tel: 0 5361 1667), 8 rooms: 100-300 baht

Amphoe Pai
 * Baan Krating Pai Resorts (บ้านกระทิง ปาย รีสอร์ท) 119 Mu 2 Tambon Wiang Nuea (Tel: 0 5369 8255-6 Fax: 0 5369 8256 Bangkok Tel: 0 2718 0854, 0 2718 0858) www.baankrating.com/pai/, 32 rooms: 3,000-6,000 baht
 * Ban Nam Pai Retreat (บ้านน้ำปาย รีทรีต) 47 Mu 3 Ban Tan Chet Ton (Tel: 08 1830 1161, 08 1807 8014), 6 houses: 1,500-1,800 baht
 * Baan Pai Village (บ้านปาย วิลเลจ) 88 Mu 2 Tambon Wiang Tai (Tel: 0 5369 8152 Fax: 0 5369 9057) www.baanpaivillage.com, 22 rooms: 500-1,200 baht
 * Ban Pho Kan Nan (บ้านพ่อกำนัน) 52 Mu 3 Tambon Wiang Tai (Tel: 0 5369 9382), 12 rooms: 120 baht
 * Banana House (บานานา เฮาส์) 212/2 Tambon Wiang Tai (Tel: 0 5369 9327, 0 5369 9149, 08 9635 7793), 7 rooms: 200 baht

Amphoe Pang Mapha
 * Ban Kafae Resort (บ้านกาแฟ รีสอร์ท) 277 Mu 1 Pai-Mae Hong Son Rd., Tambon Sop Pong (Tel: 0 5361 7081), 4 houses: 400-1,200 baht
 * Cave Lodge (เคฟ ลอดจ์) 15 Mu 1 Tambon Thamlot (Tel: 0 5361 7203), 13 rooms: 100-500 baht
 * Jungle Guesthouse (จังเกิ้ล เกสต์เฮาส์) 200 Mu 1 Pai-Mae Hong Son Rd., Tambon Sop Pong (Tel: 0 5361 7099), 6 rooms: 200-1,000 baht
 * Lang River Guesthouse (ลางริเวอร์ เกสต์เฮาส์) 39/2 Mu 1 Tambon Thamlot, 9 rooms: 200-300 baht
 * Lemon Hill (เลม่อน ฮิลล์) 123 Mu 1 Pai-Mae Hong Son Rd., Tambon Sop Pong (Tel: 0 5361 7039, 0 5361 7213 Fax: 0 5361 7039, 0 5361 7213), 10 rooms: 200-500 baht
 * Soppong River Inn (สบป่อง ริเวอร์อินน์ ) 358 Mu 1 Tambon Sop Pong, (Tel: 0 5361 7107) 7 rooms or cottages: 700-1200 baht Soppong River Inn Website

Amphoe Khun Yuam

 * Baan Farang Guesthouse (บ้านฝรั่ง เกสต์เฮาส์) 499 Mu 1 Ratburana Rd., Tambon Khun Yuam (Tel: 0 5362 2086), 19 rooms: 250 baht
 * Bua Tong Vision House (บัวตองวิชั่น เฮาส์) 92 Mu 2 Burana 1 Rd., Tambon Khun Yuam, (Tel: 0 5362 2037), 14 rooms: 400-600 baht
 * Khun Yuam Resort (ขุนยวม รีสอร์ท) 139 Mu 1 Ban Tor Phae (Tel: 0 5321 2393, 08 1882 7130, 08 9434 4862), 8 rooms: 500 baht
 * Mitr Khun Yuam Hotel (มิตรขุนยวม) 63 Mu 1 Ratburana 1 Rd., Tambon Khun Yuam (Tel: 0 5369 1057, 0 5362 2181 Fax: 0 5369 1057), 26 rooms: 200-500 baht
 * Peekmai Guesthouse (ปีกไม้ เกสต์เฮาส์) 256 Mu 2 Ratburana Rd., Tambon Khun Yuam (Tel: 0 5369 1061), 5 rooms: 250 baht

Amphoe Mae Sariang

 * Ekaluk Hotel (เอกลักษณ์) 77/2 Tambon Mae Sariang, (Tel: 0 5368 1426, 0 5368 1052), 7 rooms: 200-450 baht
 * Kamolsorn Hotel (กมลสร โฮเต็ล) 283 Mu 2 Mae Sariang Rd., (Tel: 0 5368 1524 Fax: 0 5368 1204), 24 rooms: 450-600 baht
 * Mae Sariang Guesthouse (แม่สะเรียง เกสต์เฮาส์) 1 Mu 2 Laeng Phanit Rd., (Tel: 0 5368 1203 Fax: 0 5368 1204), 16 rooms: 80-150 baht
 * Mae Sariang Resort (แม่สะเรียง รีสอร์ท) 183 Mu 1 Tambon Mae Sariang (Tel: 0 5368 2344-5), 10 rooms: 250 baht
 * Mit Aree (มิตรอารีย์) 158 Mae Sariang Rd., (Tel: 0 5368 1110, 0 5368 1279), 50 rooms: 250-500 baht

Stay healthy
Medical Facilities

There is a hospital in the provincial town, Mae Sariang district and Pai district. For something serious it may be best to fly to Chiang Mai.

Unfortunately, many foreigners when they first get sick in Thailand, automatically blame the local food/drink or ice they had taken before the illness. Usually however, it is our own bodies which have caused the illness – simply meaning we’ve consumed something that our bodies are not used to. The heat is also a significant factor. It is advised that new-arrivers limit their consumption of local food and certainly in regards to chillies and other hot spices. The same also applies to alcohol (alcohol and hot humidity do not mix well at first). There is no need to be paranoid about food cleanliness, there’s as much chance of getting food poisoning from a 4-star hotel as you have a small street restaurant. In fact, the latter of which buys all its produce on a fresh daily basis. But remember to wash your fruit in bottled water before eating. Contrary to myth, cubed ice in Thailand is perfectly safe. The only ice you may wish to steer clear of is the shaved ice (as it is not made to proper standards unlike the cubed version). Most of the iced-fruit juices in Thailand are made from shaved ice, so you may wish to avoid them.
 * Mae Hong Son Hospital (โรงพยาบาลศรีสังวาล) Tel: 0 5361 1378, 0 5361 1488
 * Pai Hospita (โรงพยาบาล อ.ปาย) Tel: 0 5369 9211
 * Pang Ma Pha Hospita (โรงพยาบาล อ.ปางมะผ้า) Tel: 0 5361 7152 - 6
 * Khun Yuam Hospita (โรงพยาบาล อ.ขุนยวม) Tel: 0 5369 1017, 0 5369 1128
 * Mae La Noi Hospita (โรงพยาบาล อ.แม่ลาน้อย) Tel: 0 5368 9060
 * Mae Sa Riang Hospita (โรงพยาบาล อ.แม่สะเรียง) Tel: 0 5368 1027, 0 5368 1394
 * Sob Moei Hospita (โรงพยาบาล อ.สบเมย) Tel: 0 5361 8080 - 2, 0 5361 8098 - 9

Vaccinations against tetanus, hepatitis, and salmonella infections are also advisable.

Contact
Local television, satellite TV channels are available. English language newspapers and magazines are available in some bookstores.

Landline telephone, satellite phone and all mobile phone systems are available at Mae Hong Son downtown and village areas. Internet can be had in hotels, resorts and internet cafés. There are Post Offices in every district.

 * Provincial Public Relation	Tel: 0 5362 0692, 0 5361 1808, 0 5361 2952
 * Provincial Hall			Tel: 0 5361 2156, 0 5361 2176
 * Sri Sangwan Hospital 		Tel: 0 5361 1378, 0 5361 1398, 0 5361 1488
 * Mueang Police Station		Tel: 0 5361 1239
 * Highway Police			Tel: 1193
 * Tourist Police			Tel: 0 5361 1952, 0 5361 1812, 1155
 * Immigration Office		Tel: 0 5361 2106
 * Telephone Enquiry		Tel: 1133
 * Tourist Information at TAT Mae Hong Son Office	Tel: 0 5361 2982-3

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TAT Listings
Moved some TAT listings that cluttered the main page here for future reference.

 * Anong Villa (อนงค์ วิลล่า) 1/4 Mu 4 Hat Maenam, Ko Samui (Tel: 0 7724 7256), 15 rooms: 200-800 baht
 * Ban Mae Mai (บ้านแม่ใหม่) 44/4 Mu 4 Ban Don Sai, Tambon Maenam (Tel: 0 7742 7162 E-mail : maemaihome@yahoo.com), 15 rooms: 400-1,200 baht
 * Beach Home Resort (บีชโฮม รีสอร์ท) 82 Mu 1 Hat Maenam, Ko Samui (Tel: 0 7742 5060), 10 rooms: 150- 200 baht
 * Best Western Premier Paradise Beach Resort (เบสท์ เวสเทิร์น พรีเมียร์ พาราไดซ์ บีช รีสอร์ท) 18/8 Maenam Beach, Surat Thani (Tel: 0 7724 7227-32 Fax: 0 7742 5290), Rates: 3,800-16,000 Baht
 * Cleopatra Palace (คลีโอพัตราพาเลซ) 41/1 Mu 1 Hat Maenam, Ko Samui (Tel: 0 7742 5486), 15 rooms: 150-300 baht

 * Koh Nang Yuan Dive Resort Ko Nang Yuan, Surat Thani (Tel: 0 2629 2571 Fax: 0 2629 2572), Rates: 840-4,800 Baht

 * Kirikayan has surrounded by peaceful touch of natures encircled with the mountain Located at Maename area, northern part of Samui Island where you can expect the high quality luxury service and accommodations with the different being the romantic view of the natural surrounding.

Ao Bang Makham (อ่าวบางมะขาม)

 * Med Sai (เม็ดทราย) 57/1 Mu 5 Tambon Angthong, Ko Samui (Tel: 0 7742 0475), 6 rooms: 350-600 baht

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 12:02, 20 February 2010 (EST)

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