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Talk:Brantford (Ontario)

VFD Discussion

 * Merge and redirect. It appears that there are two pages for the same town: Brantford and Brantford (Ontario). --(WT-en) Bill in STL 02:27, 27 September 2010 (EDT)

Result: Merge tag added. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:46, 23 October 2010 (EDT)

Merged, two and a quarter years later. K7L (talk) 02:05, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Brasilia

More to do?
I would very much like to see this article eventually become a Destination of the Month (DotM), but at the moment it is seriously deficient in things under the "Do" heading. Only two things to do in a city this large and significant? Doubtful. Could someone who knows the city take a hack at it? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:43, 22 December 2007 (EST)
 * Have you been to Brazil? The only Brazilian that would recommend a visit to Brasilia is either a) born there and proud of it for some reason, or b) an over-the-top Oscar Niemeyer enthusiast. There is really very little to do in Brasilia. On pt: there is even one enthusiastic administrator who is from Brasilia and the pt: version of this article contains only one more Do item than en:, and it's a once a year fashion show. If this article grows much it's all going to be fluff, I think. There are about 25 Brazilian destinations I'd rather see become DotM than here. (WT-en) Texugo 00:19, 23 December 2007 (EST)
 * Fair enough, and while I argue that it's a "significant" city, your point that it's not an interesting city is well taken. Still, I live in a city one one-hundredth the size of Brasilia that has more in the "Do" section.  Surely there has to be something more to do there! -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 00:31, 23 December 2007 (EST)

Article status
This looks like a guide-status article to me. If this is usable, I think "useable" is far too broadly defined. (WT-en) LtPowers 16:46, 18 January 2009 (EST)

Car rentals
This long directory list was obviously copied from some source in Portuguese. I'm posting it here... (WT-en) Texugo List of car rentals:

 * Airport:

AVIS RENT A CAR Setor de Locadoras lt. 5 Tel: +55(61) 365-2344 - Fax: +55(61) 365-2780  Open: 8h às 18h in the store, after 18h in the airport balcony, untill 0h.

LOCALIZA RENT A CAR Setor de Locadoras lt. 3/4 Aeroporto – Lago Sul  Tel: +55(61) 365-1616 - Fax: +55(61) 365-1916/2312  Open: 6h to 0h

 * Hotel Sector/Central Area:

CITY CAR Hotel Nacional Gallery Loja 46/47 – Setor Hoteleiro Sul (near Galeria Station) Telefax: +55(61) 3323-1713 Open: 8:30h to 18:30h

OPÇÃO Setor Hoteleiro Norte loja 150 Kubitschek Plaza (near Galeria Station) Tel: +55(61) 328-5999 - Fax: +55(61) 328-9058  Open: Mon-Fri 8h to 18hs, Sat 8h to 14h

 * South Wing:

ALOUCAR EQS 102/103 Bl. A loja 111 Cine Centro São Francisco – Asa Sul (close to 102 Sul Station) Tel: +55(61) 3226-3888 - Fax: +55(61) 3322-5774  Open: 8h to 18h

BRASCAR EQS 102/103 Bl. A loja 120 Cine C. S. Francisco – Asa Sul  (close to 102 Sul Station) Tel: +55(61) 3322-3447 - Fax: +55(61)  3322-3447  Open: 8h to 12h; 13h30 to 17h

DISBRAVE Quadra 503 conj. A loja 44 (close to 102 Sul Station) Tel: +55(61) 3327-4792 - Fax: +55(61) 3365-1584

LOCACAR EQS 102/103 Bl. A loja 16 Cine Centro S. Francisco – Asa Sul (close to 102 Sul Station) Tel: +55(61) : 3223-1869 - Fax: +55(61) : 3223-1869

LOCALÍDER /RENT A CAR EQS 102/103 Bl. A loja 122 Cine Centro S. Francisco – Asa Sul (close to 102 Sul Station) Tel: +55(61) : 3226.3545 - Fax: +55(61)  3323-4237

NOBRETOUR EQS 102/103 Bl. A loja 42 Cine Centro S. Francisco – Asa Sul (close to 102 sul Station) Telefax: +55(61) 225-7175 Open: 9h to 18h

'BRASAL LOCADORA' Industry Sector - SIA Trecho 2 lt. 630  Tel: +55(61) 363-2884  Fax : +55(61) 363-2882  Horário de funcionamento: 8h às 18h, seg. a sex.

 * North Wing:

CONCORD SCLRN 715 Bl. A loja 21 – Asa Norte Fones: 273-2500 /9985-2371/ Fax: 3479313 Open: 8h às 18h

QUASAR SCLRN 704 Bl. F LJ/38 – Asa Norte Tel: +55(61) 328-7755 - Fax: +55(61)  328-0282  Open: 8h às 18h

 * Other Places:

JORLAN RENT A CAR Industry Sector - SIA Tr. 3 lt. 1 - 130/1180 Tel: +55(61) 362-2222  - Fax: +55(61) : 362-2200

NET RENT A CAR Southwest Sector - CLSW 103 Ed. Rhodes Center II Bl. A lj. 44 - Setor Sudoeste Tel: +55(61) 344-6330 - Fax: +55(61) 368-2882Horário de funcionamento: 9h às18h

Hotels
Mid-range Bristol Hotel is more expensive than some of the "splurge". Whaledad (talk) 03:47, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * In such cases, I'd recommend plunging forward and moving the listing to the splurge category. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:08, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article?

In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 15:19, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Here I vote for leaving the current one. You can see more details of Niemeyer's iconic buildings. Jjtkk (talk) 17:31, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Both are great, but I would prefer to keep the current one per Jjtkk. Thanks. Danapit (talk) 10:15, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Agreed. The first one is more striking, and as Jjtkk alludes to, Brasilia is known for its striking modern architecture. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:31, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

More photos
Brasilia seems like a very interesting destination, especially for architecture fans. A place that is described as "a masterpiece of modernist architecture listed as a World Heritage Site by UNESCO" definitely needs more photos of great buildings. I'll leave the selections of photos to people who know the city or feel like taking on the task, but there's a lot of space for more photos in this article, and I think that adding more well-chosen photos is one important step to help turn this into a good Guide-level article, suitable for featuring in the future. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:03, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I have not made it up there yet, but you're probably right. Texugo (talk) 11:50, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Geo coordinates
I did some Wikidata cross-linking (please correct any mistakes I may have made). There are still plenty of listings or not-formated-as-listings-but-should-be that lack coordinates. Please fix these. Hobbitschuster (talk) 02:16, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Brașov cultural itinerary

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Improve
If you find descriptions unclear or would like more information please post your requests here so that the article can be improved. Thank you. (WT-en) Deni120 09:35, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Bratislava

see also: Talk:Bratislava/Archive

Alternative banner for this article?

In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 15:21, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Yeah, it's better. Jjtkk (talk) 17:18, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

No map + UFO
There doesn't seem to be a map of Bratislava highlighting the various listings here.

Furthermore, the listing for restaurant UFO says: "It looks like real U.F.O." "Real U.F.O."? There have been no verified and confirmed U.F.O. sightings in human history. Therefore, no one knows what a "real U.F.O." looks like! JIP (talk) 22:18, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Au contraire! Lots of unidentified flying objects have been sighted. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:39, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Compromise proposal: Change it to: "it looks like a cliché flying saucer". And yes there have been sightings of "unidentified" flying objects, mostly during the cold war. Why? Well those were mostly military planes on test runs and releasing any information on them would have given the other side in the cold war a glimpse at "secret" technology, so letting the yokels believe in little green men was seen as the less risky alternative by the government when the alternatives would have been to leave the "unidentified" object a mystery or reveal classified information. Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:54, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

 * I hope you realize I was being funny. UFO=unidentified flying object, so by definition, any flying object that is not identified is a UFO. As for what a "real UFO" looks like, I don't know, as I always assumed that whatever flying object I couldn't identify was identifiable by someone else. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:16, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

 * I know. I think we can stop this silly discussion now ;-) . Many people however think UFO = LGM (little green men) which is obviously not the case but still a commonly held erroneous believe... Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:52, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

An edit that raises questions
this edit seems to get put the URL of one company in the listing of the other and vice versa... Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:24, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

By plane
Referring to version 13 May 2018:

Vienna International Airport: The official name in German has been Flughafen Wien for some years already. That the airport is located within the area of the community of Schwechat is not important, rather confusing to tourists. The add-on Schwechat was omitted for good reasons. I myself witnessed when a tourist from abroad wanted to get off the train at the station of Schwechat. I could keep him off. Between the station of Schwechat and Vienna Airport there is one more station!

Bus operators There are no more buses running under the Blaguss brand-name on the route to Bratislava. They have joined Flixbus. Student Agency's buses run under the brand-name Regiojet. On 6 July 2016 a new tariff system was introduced by the VOR integrated transport authority, abolishing the zone system. Since then, the price is calculated according to the route. Links: Some links are mixed up. I will make the necessary updates. --Railjetter (talk) 13:34, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Brattleboro

Is there another Brattleboro? If not, can we move this page to Brattleboro? --(WT-en) Evan 10:29, 10 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * This is done. Getty Thesausurus showed no other Brattleboro, which was good enough for me. --(WT-en) Evan 18:16, 9 August 2006 (EDT)

To Guide
Hi, everyone. What work do you think is needed to ramp this up to guide status, or is it already a guide?

There are two issues that stick out to me: (1) A map is desirable and (2) "Connect" should have information about Wi-Fi and such. Additionally, it would be good to have some entries to "Go next," and I may insert one or two.

Anything else? This is a pretty town with lots of great buildings, and it would be nice to feature it (probably as an Off the Beaten Path, because though it is really not far off the beaten path, it isn't a major destination like New York or Boston). Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:38, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think this needs some work before Guide status and being a featured article, but this is one of my favorite small towns so I'm willing to help.

Issues to fix: Godsendlemiwinks (talk) 22:27, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Banner image-I'm here once every few months so I can probably take one if none exists
 * Police Listings-Some of these may have closed and the language in some seems like borderline touting.
 * Update Eat/Drink-The listings are pretty comprehensive, but a few new and notable things are missing. I can handle this.
 * Buy-I don't really go here to shop (other than the co-op), but there are a lot of stores in town and the current "buy" section only has three bookstores listed.

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Talk:Bray (Ireland)

Is there any way to just delete this entry? I've just come from Bray (I'm touring Dublin now) and I must say that going to Bray is a complete and total waste of time. It's just a tourist ripoff town now - with very little to offer.

 * If it's a tourist trap, we should definitely note that in the article, but we maintain articles for everywhere. Check Project:Avoid negative reviews—we don't like to bash places, just explain who should visit and who should not. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:47, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

 * OK, I've made some changes based on my recent experience there. I guess if someone considers what I wrote "bashing" then they can just restore the article back to it's old self. I also edited the Get in --> By train section to reflect a price increase to €2.50 (from €2.10). (WT-en) Grimlock 04:12, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

The visitor's claim that Bray is a tourist trap is contentious, Venice or Bruges could also be described as Tourist traps, but it doesn't stop anyone visiting them! Bray is a quiet town and is well placed for exploring both Dublin and Wicklow. He just didn't visit the right places, so I've added a number of interesting things to do and see.

 * Once again, someone uses Wikivoyage to steer unsuspecting tourists into insignificant places that are of little interest to most people. In fact, I've since spoken with two other people that had the unfortunate experience of going to Bray and they were both *Very* disappointed.  It wouldn't surprise me at all if the above "contributor" was a hotel or restaurant owner in the area. (WT-en) Grimlock 15:56, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

In Aug 2020 this page was overhauled, along with the rest of County Wicklow. Bray is a substantial place with many visitor amenities. As elsewhere, these should be described factually to let the prospective visitor make his / her own decisions; touting-gush and slagging-off both get in the way of that. Grahamsands (talk) 10:11, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Brazil

T-plug
Something called a T-connection or T-plug is suggested to make a Schuko plug fit an electricity outlet. What is that? Is it something Brazil-specific or is it just me who don't recognise the word? –LPfi (talk) 19:31, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

 * I would imagine it's something like this: https://www.tokmanni.fi/haaroitin-2-pistorasiaa-6438114911662 basically allowing you to plug in two plugs; first the unit in the wall socket you don't want to damage, and then you have two sockets that you can damage as much as you like. One must remember that while they will usually not break, it's generally not a good idea to bend the pins of your plug together/apart. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:59, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

 * OK. Thanks Ypsilon. With the ones over here, like the one in the photo (except that it is for Schukos), you must use quite some force to get the plug forced in. If the plastic is brittle, you might also expose the dangerous parts; I hope the Brazilian ones are flexible. Otherwise using a knife or other suitable tools to form the T-plug's sockets might be safer. You could also bring a Schuko socket combined with a "euro" plug (you could have a knowledgable friend make such a device). It is probably illegal, but safer – you would skip the grounding also by the T-plug trick. Just make sure you don't exceed the 2.5 A limit (or have a sturdier E plug, which I suppose might fit, there are versions with different current limits), don't use it when grounding is unavailable, and don't use it with devices that need the grounding to be safe.

 * For bending pins: outlets and extension cords tend to be child protected over here (how widespread is that?), which makes inserting the plug more difficult, and you are tempted to use force that bends the weak euro plug's pins, such that they won't fit any more.

 * –LPfi (talk) 21:08, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Brazilian community in florida

So, is this a valid travel topic? --(WT-en) Evan 15:40, 6 January 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Brazilian Portuguese phrasebook

What's a lan house?
One of the phrases is "a lan house", which I've never heard of. I've heard of LAN parties (a bunch of people bring computers, connect them together, and do things); is a LAN house a place where one holds LAN parties? -(WT-en) phma 22:35, 4 Oct 2005 (EDT)
 * Found out on Brazzil. It's like an Internet café. -(WT-en) phma 15:45, 7 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * A LAN house is primarily geared toward gamers who need broadband connections and usually has a dark environment (blackened windows etc) supposed to enhance the video effects of games, whereas an internet café is brighter and usually has a good printer, recordable CDs and other useful items for non-gamers. -- (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 22:42, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Phrasebook
I think this page has gotten far too long to be reasonable for a travellers' phrasebook. I think the point of a phrasebook is to give a traveller just enough tools to survive their travel experience.

I don't think an extended comparison of Portuguese to Spanish serves that goal; neither do listings of US states or world nations in Portuguese. I think an exception to this last rule would be covering the major English-speaking nations (UK, USA, Canada, Australia, NZ) so people can say "I am from ____".

I've clipped out the Spanish comparison and VFD'd the geographical lists. --(WT-en) Evan 10:56, 28 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * The Spanish comparison is now in Wikipedia, including the there out-of-place Boa viagem. Anyone who wants to claim that your text is CCASA and not GFDL, please go there. -(WT-en) phma 16:41, 7 Jan 2006 (EST)

Pronunciation mistakes
There are some obvious mistakes in the pronunciation section. I've corrected a few, but there are others (e.g.: the j sound is exactly as in French, i think the description is confusing and misleading). I think i can't use an account from neither "en.wikipedia" nor "pt.wikipedia", so I made anonoymous edits... Yuu_En/Yuu 15jan2006
 * Thanks! You can make an account here just as you can in Wikipedia. -(WT-en) phma 08:37, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)

External links section
I removed the following external links section in following the recent trend. (WT-en) Texugo 23:20, 24 January 2008 (EST)

 * Portuguese Words and Phrases
 * Wikipedia -- Portuguese language
 * Wikipedia -- Differences between Spanish and Portuguese
 * Wikibooks -- Portuguese textbook
 * Verbix online Portuguese verb conjugator
 * Portuguese Online Vocabulary Lessons with Audio

Numbers
In the numbers section, I have added that 'meia' for six is only used in Brazil. In Portugal this would probably not be understood. I've made an anonymous edit to avoid having to create an account for a small edit. I hope that is okay. AMC

beef, poached eggs, rice, ..., lettuce and tomatoes
There're 3 instances of phrases like this, with a completely different translation. What each of them is intended to mean? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 05:18, 20 September 2009 (EDT)

 * I clipped it and will put it here:
 * beef, poached eggs, rice, french fries, lettuce and tomatoes : a la minuta (...)
 * beef, poached eggs, rice, beans, lettuce and tomatoes : completão comercial (...)
 * beef, poached eggs, rice, beans, pasta, lettuce and tomatoes : completão industrial (...)

 * I believe these phrases are specific to Portugal (they definitely mean nothing in Brazil). I'm not sure that they are all that important in Portugal either unless you plan to have a lot of blue-collar lunch breaks. I'm leaving them here, pending further input. (WT-en) Texugo 07:35, 20 September 2009 (EDT)

 * So are they names of specific dishes / the way the dishes are served? Or what are they mean together? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 10:16, 20 September 2009 (EDT)

 * They are, if anything, set lunches in a luncheonette type place, but I've never heard of them. Google gives basically no hits that aren't derived from the mention at Wikivoyage, so I think it is safe to delete them. (WT-en) Texugo 00:15, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

 * late clarification: these terms are specific to the "gaúcho" accent. Ibaman (talk) 11:08, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

French
I removed the line "Since the sounds of French and Portuguese match more closely, you would do better to view the Pronunciation guide at French Wikivoyage." Yes, there are some of the same sounds, but they are written completely differently so the French pronunciation guide would be no help to figuring out how to pronounce written Portuguese. I may tone down some of the other parallels with French too-- they are honestly not all that similar at all. (WT-en) Texugo 01:51, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

European Portuguese guide
There are a lot of words in the European Portuguese guide that are not used at all in Portugal. Words like "trem" (train) and "ônibus" (bus) are only used in Brazil. I'm going to correct those so it doesn't generate any confusion. For example, the correct word for bus in Portugal is "autocarro" and for train is "comboio". --(WT-en) Naygro 11:15, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

 * Yes, please make the appropriate changes. Since the split of these articles, content has been mixed everywhere. This article should only deal with Portuguese as spoken in Brazil, while Portuguese phrasebook should focus on Portuguese as spoken in Portugal. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 12:53, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

 * As of May 2020, there was still a lot of unremoved "portuga" lint in this article. I hope to have removed it all by now. Ibaman (talk) 19:03, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

The Hague

 * I can readily recall an anecdote, too long for the main prose but worth of digression, about Ruy Barbosa, a famous Brazilian diplomat and scholar - and an extremely pedantic highbrow one, let me tell you - from the beginnings of the 20th century. Every Brazilian schoolkid gets to read a lot about him, his exploits and ideas, since kindergarten. He supposedly made a tremendous impression and did a shiny beautiful job in a diplomatic summit at The Hague once, coming home in triumph and earning the nickname "The Hague's Eagle". The irony is, this stuck on the vernacular as Águia de Haia and not Águia da Haia as it'd be proper. As I said, too long for the main prose, but it explains why Brazilians don't really bother with The Hague's "The". Ibaman (talk) 13:17, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Portuguese obliges the gender-flexible definite article
I feel slightly bad for bringing this one up, because it reads like it was written to be free of ambiguity, but for me it raises questions:

 * "gender-flexible" - so does that mean it can be either o Brasil or a Brasil, i.e. do countries not have a fixed gender? Or does it just mean that different countries have different genders, it has to be o Brasil or a China?

The answer to this kind of dictates my next question, so I'll leave that for now.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:23, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Yeah the gender is fixed. Brasil, Chile and Peru are always male; Argentina and Bolivia and Colombia are always female. It flexes on number too, "the" Philippines, Bahamas, Maldives and United States must always be in the plural. This part is unchanging. The definite, indefinite, possessive (etc.) articles are gender and number-flexible, that's what's meant. Don't feel bad. I'm not a native English speaker, never lived abroad, my tendency to commit slips and mistakes is bound to be eternal, I guess. Ibaman (talk) 13:19, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

 * (edit conflict)Okay, excellent. In that case, it would probably be clearer to take out "gender-flexible" from that sentence.
 * My next question: is it compulsory to use the definite article (or some deformation of it like do / no) with countries, or can you talk about the country without the article? If the former, I'm struggling to see how that is any different from French or Italian? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:34, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Haha, but as a non-native, you'll never unthinkingly write "you're" "it's", or "know" when you mean "your", "its" or "no", which I do all the time.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:36, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

 * to be: estou na Itália, estou na França, estou no Brasil, estou em Portugal.

 * to come: Venho da França, venho da Itália, venho do Brasil, venho de Portugal.

 * to go: vou à França, vou à Itália, vou ao Brasil, vou a Portugal.

the gist is, with "articled (gendered)" countries and cities, you will necessarily use it, it's indeed compulsory. With the non-articled ones, you don't. Most CITIES go unarticled, though. I wish I had my French and Italian skills (and German and Russian) on par with English, and could knowingly and freely digress on this difference. AFAIK the constructions are indeed very similar. Ibaman (talk) 13:46, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * "Porto City (is located) at Portugal" can only thus be meaningfully written in simple unpolished Portuguese: O Porto (está/fica localizado) em Portugal. Verbal structures highlighted for contrast.

 * Well I don't know any Italian grammar, I just know from reading that the article precedes country names. But in French, you get very similar outcomes to the examples you gave:
 * Je vais en Italie, en France, au Brésil, au Portugal...
 * Je suis en Italie, en France, au Brésil, au Portugal...
 * Je viens du Brésil, du Portugal (m.) BUT Je viens de France, d'Italie (f.), and then for some reason Je viens du Nord de la France, de l'Italie du Sud...
 * Cities either have an article (Le Mans, La Rochelle, Le Caire) or they don't (Rome, Paris, Londres)
 * Though I guess the point is that Portuguese isn't that unusual in assigning articles to placenames, even if the details differ somewhat. Thanks for the explanations, please let me know what you think of my revision (to be done next).--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:32, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * yeah, them ol' grumpy Latin tongues, always full of nitpick and endless exceptions. You eventually learn to love how and where they always relate. Ibaman (talk) 15:42, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Phonetic approximations

 * Just for the record, as I'm working to complete the phonetic bits of this article, I have made some decisions that I'd rather explain for clarity and comment. Whenever I must choose between "what's more sonically natural for the language" and "what would be easier for Anglophones to pronounce and be understood, even if retaining some of their natural accent", I will follow the latter. I'm trying as well to insert as much "tutorial" words, chosen for importance to the traveller's daily needs, sound and meaning, as possible. This is, by the way, the logic behind the (maybe mysterious) inclusion of that long list of names; IMHO every one of them is a good pronunciation tutorial for acquiring the language's sound and articulation. Ibaman (talk) 21:18, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

the English R

 * "Using the English R sound in the beginning of words can cause confusion." Well, we're talking about Paulista accent here, and this must be said: in interior São Paulo and much of central Brazil, the R's are rolled on the very familiar caipira (keye-PEE-rah with Spanish "El Rey" R; redneck) accent *identically*, it's actually hilarious. If you pronounce irmão or irmã ou jantar using, say, the same R used by Brad Pitt in "dees-troyed", as Aldo the Apache from w:Inglorious Basterds, you'll sound flawlessly Brazilian interior (by the way, the same R is usual in Paraguay; Brazilian comedians abuse all these clichés). If you use this sound in the beginning of the word, it will readily mark you as heavily accented Anglophone, but chances are, you should still be understood; to pronounce caipira with the English (or the French) R is a worse "stupid gringo" joke against yourself. Ibaman (talk) 03:08, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

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This article seems to be slanted heavily towards travelers from Dubai -- is there any way to broaden its approach?

 * Of course there's a way -- plunge forward! (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:46, 17 November 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Brú Na Bóinne Archaeological Park

Article title
The current title of the article (Brú Na Bóinne Archaeological Park) more clearly identifies that it's a valid article subject, and I think it's reasonable to assume it will survive the VFD. However there's still some question about the best name for it. Project:Article naming conventions call for the "most common English name" for a place (e.g. "Vienna" not "Wien", "Naples" not "Napoli"). Sources such as the UNESCO World Heritage Site site identify this as "Bend of the Boyne" rather than "Brú Na Bóinne". I respect that (as pointed out by the article's author in the VFD discussion) the Irish people and government prefer the Gaelic name, and that Wikipedia (being encyclopedic in character) prefers that as the official name. But the question here is what name to use for an English-language travel guide, so that doesn't automatically settle it. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 19:24, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Gaeilge (or ‘Irish’ in “your” English policy) is the national language of Ireland – not Gaelic. The “Irish people and government prefer” the 'Brú Na Bóinne' name because that is what it called. In 1992 there was no official title to the archaeological complex in the Boyne valley. The Government was in the process of implementing a new policy for such heritage areas. The UNESCO application was the first action taken, and for the purposes of the application a name had to be invented – hence the “Bend of the Boyne” title. The application was successful in 1993 and shortly afterwards, as a result, the Government established the area as an Archaeological Park (Brú Na Bóinne Archaeological Park), a Management plan was produced, a visitor centre (Brú Na Bóinne Visitor Centre) was built and access to the principal sites was routed through the visitor centre from 1997 onwards. The original inscription on the UNESCO list is unfortunate as it seems to the cause of the above confusion - ideally the name on the UNESCO list should be changed. In any case the “Bend of the Boyne” title is not used anywhere except the 1992 UNESCO application, while the “Brú Na Bóinne” title is the official title used by central and local Government. The "Brú Na Bóinne" title is used by the vast majority of maps, leaflets, tourist information, road signage etc no matter what language they are written in!
 * There is a difference between a direct translation of a ‘non-English place name’ (Palace of the Boyne Archaeological Park), that of the ‘most common English name’ for a place (there is no 'most common English name' for it) and what the place is actually called (Brú Na Bóinne Archaeological Park). The most common name used is a non-English one; Brú Na Bóinne.
 * I apologize for my mistake on the name of the language; obviously I do not speak it. That's one of the reasons for the site's policy regarding the use of English names: people who speak English are notorious for their unfamiliarity with other languages.  If the site is actually better known by its Gaeilge name, then of course we'll use that.  But I'll be honest: your repeated sneering at our policy of using English names in an English-language guide makes me wonder if you have a axe to grind about the use of English, which reduces your credibility on this point. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 08:42, 18 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I sincerely apologise if you thought I was “sneering”. I was not aware that you run / administer the website and hence was confused with your repeated use of “our”. I understand and appreciate the Wikivoyage language policy – I have been trying to explain how and why this case is different though; there is an actual reason the (made-up) English title isn’t used! And as such I have no “axe to grind about the use of English”. You are not required to speak a language to understand a given place name or reference to such. It has been your tone, from the beginning, and now your disparaging remarks about my apparent credibility which have reduced the credibility of this website.
 * There is some English name for the place, since we're writing in English about it on an English site. As far as I can tell, "Brú Na Bóinne" is the most commonly used name in English sources for this location.
 * We tend to use the first-person plural on Wikivoyage to discuss our policies, guidelines, and content. I think this comes from a common feeling of ownership. Please, anonymous user, feel free to use "we" and "our", too. --(WT-en) Evan 10:03, 18 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Indeed - actual local knowledge is always better than Google!

Brú na Bóinne Visitor Centre
Non article, per Project:What_is_an_article? -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 19:01, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Keep. I disagree; Brú Na Bóinne is an Archaeological Park containing over 40 sites (not quite a National Park - but close enough) and anyway clearly qualifies under the exceptions clause of the 'What is an article' policy as a 'Large archaeological site'. There has been and continues to be confusion about access to the principal archaeological sites, hence the entry.
 * The site itself may qualify as the subject of an article, but the visitor centre for it does not. Information about how to access the site should be part of an article about the site, not the other way around.   Our UNESCO World Heritage Sites page currently links to the article for Drogheda.  (By the way, our policy is to use the English names of places for all destinations, so I believe "Bend of the Boyne" would be a more appropriate article title, if we have one specifically for this site.) - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 15:15, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Setting aside the 'our English policy' remark, the original inscription on the UNESCO list was 'Archaeological Ensemble of the Bend of the Boyne'. The complex subsequently became an Archaeological Park (the Brú Na Bóinne Archaeological Park) and is known locally (i.e. the region), Nationally (i.e. by Government) and internationally (in most cases), simply as Brú Na Bóinne - and is almost always referred to as such. The vast majority of guide books, maps and related information published, refers to Brú Na Bóinne. Notwithstanding that fact, the article was written only yesterday and was due (and received) more attention today, and taking into account your first point, has been reshaped as the Brú Na Bóinne Archaeological Park - i.e. what it actually is and not what it was termed at the time the UNESCO application was made in 1992. Incidentally the main Wiki article for the UNESCO site is titled Brú Na Bóinne - not "Bend of the Boyne".
 * The name is tangential to the discussion at hand (for which I vote keep by the way), and should resume (for now) at Talk:Brú Na Bóinne Archaeological Park. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 19:03, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep, with or without changing the name depending on discussion Todd points to. (WT-en) Pashley 21:03, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Redirect to Drogheda - the nearest place with facilities. Drogheda is mentioned many times in the article and is where the site should be featured, in line with our policy of not having articles for individual attractions except in exceptional circumstances. -- (WT-en) DanielC 13:09, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Keep, in its redirected guise as Brú Na Bóinne Archaeological Park. There are similarities between this and a number of United States national monuments that have been discussed at length, for example Chimney Rock National Historic Site and Scotts Bluff National Monument.  In each case we have an article that probably doesn't have to exist, being tied to a town or other destination, but since someone went to the trouble of creating the article, might as well keep it.  See also the "Conventions" and "Conventions revisited" threads at Talk:United States National Parks for more of the reasoning that led to the retention of those other articles, also applicable to this one. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:45, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

Update
By 2021 "Brú Na Bóinne" has become the established name that even the English can get their jaws around. Newgrange is the major POI within the complex: I've tried to weed out incorrect use of this as a synonym for the entire park. It is of course closed just now, but I've not plastered on a Covid warning since it could flip back and forth in coming months, and current status will be obvious when you try to book online. Being a park, accommodation migrates elsewhere, what the page needed was more about what you see and why it's important. It's a fascinating place to visit and I now rate the page as high-grade usable. Grahamsands (talk) 22:19, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Brčko

I removed a link to http://www.brcko.co.ba because a) it's not in English and b) I don't think it's the official page for Brcko. Please see Project:external links for info on the kind of links we like to have. --(WT-en) Evan 11:16, 29 January 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Breastfeeding

vfd discussion

 * Delete or redirect to Travelling with families. See Project:What is an article?.  This is a query from a user about concerns while traveling, but contains no information that is useful to travelers.  Those who travel with kids may be able to comment about whether this is a topic that is worth redirecting.  -- (WT-en) Ryan 02:43, 12 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Delete. It's probably something that should be noted in Stay Healthy in most countries so that traveller's understand the local customs since some countries tolerate public breastfeeding poorly. I don't think a general article is waranted. -- (WT-en) Colin 12:21, 12 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Redirect. (WT-en) Pashley 10:53, 17 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Redirect ~ 203.144.143.6 05:54, 18 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Redirect, with the obvious section added to Travelling with families -- there's little content there now to justify the redirect, but there certainly could be more. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 22:49, 21 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Redirect, per above. (WT-en) Computerjoe 14:35, 26 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Redirect has already been done: (WT-en) Hypatia 18:29, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Breckenridge (Colorado)

Where does it belong?
Colorado is a difficult state to divide into regions, and no two authors seem to do it quite the same way. The division that we're starting to use here places Breckenridge in the south central region -- even though it's north of the center line of the state. Can't really put it in the Denver area, though, and it's a severe misnomer to call it part of the Front Range. Discuss... -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:05, 29 May 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Bremen

Oh, come on, this was automatically translated from german to english by some program... Hard to understand, if understandable at all..
 * It's a wiki... you can plunge forward and either fix or revert things... I'll have a go. -- (WT-en) Hypatia 05:52, 1 Dec 2004 (EST)
 * In this case I'll revert: it is almost impossible to work out what the text says. -- (WT-en) Hypatia 05:55, 1 Dec 2004 (EST)

Geography
"...it stretches 1 km, but across only 2 km". I think that the distances given are totally wrong. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Safdarmarwat (talk • contribs)

 * I think it is referring to the city centre. --(WT-en) inas 18:20, 11 January 2011 (EST)

Another banner?
What about exchanging the banner? I suggest this pic of the main station. The current banner has low pic quality IMO. Danapit (talk) 09:23, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * No contest. Change the banner. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:31, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

merging State and city
Suggestions for merging Bremen (state) into single article with the city. --Traveler100 (talk) 11:20, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Bremen becomes large City with single district of Bremerhaven.
 * 2) Additional districts of North, South, West, East and Middle as well as Bremerhaven
 * 3) Keep as Bremen (state) with two cities of Bremen and Bremerhaven
 * I am in favor of either option one or option two. However I doubt that we get enough content for all the Bremen districts in the case of option two... Hobbitschuster (talk) 11:35, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Option 1, por favor. Bremerhaven should be linked directly where applicable (e.g. from destinations in Lower Saxony which are close (Go Next, Get In). PrinceGloria (talk) 13:06, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Is there a precedent for a city with just two districts? Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:41, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Travemuende got its own article because it had a fanbase dedicated to do it, it grew to be even more wholesome than the article on Luebeck. There was no need to "districtify" Luebeck, we just linked to Travemuende and back explaining their relation appropriately. There is no need to treat this as districtification, just a way to sort out the breadcrumb trail without using the empty shell article as we do now. PrinceGloria (talk) 22:20, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * But this is a different case as they are both in the state of Schleswig-Holstein. We do not follow administrative structures below state level if it make sense to separate the destinations for the traveller.--Traveler100 (talk) 04:55, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Because putting Bremerhaven under Lower Saxony would be confusing, I would just put it under Bremen and be done with that. The number of people who would actually take note is minimal, but those who would would not be confused as to whether Bremerhaven is a part of Bremen or not. The rest is about linking from particular articles - if we tell somebody they can go to Bremerhaven from somewhere, or that something is in Bremerhaven we do not have to explain how it is a part of the state of Bremen but not the city of Bremen and somewhere else than the city of Bremen but not that far away. We also do not need to districtify Bremen. We just need to do away with Bremen (state) and sort out the breadcrumbs. Can we do it now? PrinceGloria (talk) 05:35, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * done. You may want to check though everything is set correctly. --Traveler100 (talk) 06:11, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Huge city and district stuff
Maybe it would be better to replace the huge city hatnote with the following:

"This article is about the city of Bremen. If you were looking for the city of Bremerhaven, that is part of the state but not the city of Bremen, click here"

We could than further mention Bremerhaven in the flowing text and in the understand section. Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:43, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Tram lines
Can we make the tram lines show up in the dynamic map? Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:01, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Breton phrasebook

Well I have to tell: In Brittany they have Brezhoneg (Breton language) in schools again and in them Universities you have to speak it! A friend of me wanted to go there for studying and she told me that!

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Talk:Bretton Woods

Can someone clarify the hotel arrangements here? As I recall all four hotels are owned by the same company and you could eat in one and stay in another. I also recall being refused admission to one restaurant for not having a tie! (WT-en) Shep 15:09, 28 January 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Space Coast

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Comments
Wow, the Brevard County article on Wikipedia is incredibly long! We need to get some of those prolific writers to look at Brevard County over here and get busy! LOL  (WT-en) Gamweb 00:27, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

Removed Merritt Island from the list of cities, because it is not an incorporated town or city in Brevard County. Nerina (talk) 01:55, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I added Brevard Zoo, Foosaner Art Museum, Botanical Gardens, Sebastian Inlet State Park to the see and do categories along with links to the mainpages for them and links to Kennedy Space Center, Canaveral National Seashore, and Merritt Island Wildlife Refuge. Nerina (talk) 02:29, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Bribery

Practicality
Unless this is going to be a "how to" article (which I don't recommend), I can't really see this going anywhere. As has been said about the Drugs article, anything specific to particular countries should be included in the various country articles. And although Drugs has a chance of holding up as a general article about the drug-trafficking issue and how to avoid getting caught up in it, it doesn't seem like there's much to say about bribery in general. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 20:18, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Me too. It's VFD time. (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:34, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Brick Township

brick or brick township? --(WT-en) 74zeus74 09:42, 5 June 2010 (EDT)
 * I moved it to Brick Township because it is the official name. (WT-en) jan 11:11, 5 June 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Bridge of Allan

I wrote content about Bridge of Allan which did come from the history page of www.kilronan.co.uk This is in fact my website and I am quite happy that this is included on Wikivoyage

Thanks, Colin George

 * If this is the case, then feel free to delete the box. (WT-en) WindHorse 05:29, 21 January 2007 (EST)

Merge with Stirling?
Of the three attractions listed here, two refer you to the entry in the Stirling guide. If there's that much overlap with Stirling, should we just merge this article into Stirling? I don't know the area so I can't really judge if it makes sense or not, but wanted to raise the question. -Shaundd (talk) 05:55, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

 * See Talk:Stirling, for a previous discussion. I have only been in Bridge of Allan a couple of times, and didn't see anything in Stirling on those trips (but one was to attend a meeting at the university). I would blame the planners in the 1960s who decided that the new university in Bridge of Allan should be called Stirling. I don't have a strong view either way on merging. AlasdairW (talk) 08:47, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

 * I don't have a strong opinion either way, but I do think we should should do something about the current situation though -- either merge Bridge of Allan with Stirling (perhaps give it its own subsection within Stirling#See), or move the Wallace Monument and Stirling University listings from Stirling to this article and reference Bridge of Allan in the Go next section of Stirling, or perhaps the See section. I'll ping User:Traveler100 since he participated in the discussion on the Stirling talk page. As someone not familiar with the area and reading it for the first time, I just found it odd and confusing that I'm directed to another guide to get detailed info about the main attractions of the town. -Shaundd (talk) 08:26, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * POIs referencing another page is a little confusing, but with a number of hotels, restaurants, rail station and population over 6000 it has enough to be a stand-alone article. The question is, where is the town boundary? Cornton I would say belongs to the Sterling article but are the monument and the University? For the location they are not in the See listings should be moved to the other article but with a reference to them on the go next section. --Traveler100 (talk) 09:31, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Bridgnorth

Apparently Bridgnorth has no 'e' in it. B-) --(WT-en) Evan 18:51, 28 Jan 2004 (EST)

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Talk:Brighton (disambiguation)

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Odd link problem
I created an outline for Brighton, Michigan and the link to that on this page didn't turn blue. What did I do wrong?
 * p.s. nvm (nevermind) – (WT-en) CurvyEthyl 16:39, 2 October 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Brighton

"but swimming in the sea is not completely recommended." - why not? Please explain. - (WT-en) sjc196 15:32, 13 Apr 2004, (GMT)

well it's the british seaside, i saw that comment and didn't really agree. it either needs justification (which could be that in summer the beach gets absolutely packed and people tend to drop litter which ends up in the sea and makes is a bit nasty, or in winter it is cold..).. but i think it's much of a muchness, and no more true than it would be for many other british seaside towns.

 * Sorry Tom, I thought you were the author. I was just concerned that an unjustified comment like that isn't really of any help to anyone. I'll take it out - as you say, it applies to much of Britain's seaside towns. - (WT-en) sjc196 15:44, 13 Apr 2004 (GMT)

Buying bus tickets?
Where can one buy the £3 all-day bus ticket mentioned in the "Get around" section? Newsagents and so on? --(WT-en) Kake Pugh 05:57, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

Tuc Tucs and Drink sections
I have edited this to indicate the seasonal nature of the service; there is also local doubt as to its return so this may need editing again soon. --(WT-en) Andybeard 15:35, 25 November 2007 (EST)

The Drink section is very untidy, factually inaccurate and debatable points. Both The Event and the Queens Arms have now changed name and the latter is no longer catering for a majority gay crowd. I have removed both. The section on the Pavilion Tavern reads as an advert: "The Pavilion Tavern 7 Castle Square. A cheap pub colloquially known as the 'Pav Tav'. Various clubs above the pub start at 10PM most nights. Expect to pay around £1.80 for a pint. £2 for a double vodka and Red Bull." I don't think the prices need to be there as it already states cheap. Also, are these prices accurate? The statement regarding most pubs and bars around Kemptown being gay is also fairly inaccurate. Although the area has a higher ratio of pubs/bars that cater towards gay or straight majority crowds it is certainly not the majority of the venues (Also regarding the language of this phrase, the pub is not gay - the clientele is!) I am unsure which venues to use as examples but I have tried to find the most well-known venues.

Wifi Listing
Have moved to the contents of the old Wifi Listing article here (well, added the 2 or 3 that weren't in the list on this page) and redirected that page to here. However, do we need a list of wifi locations when there are external links to sites that list similar? The main argument I can see for keeping this info is that external links are no good when printed and I think we have a few extras listed.

Perhaps what we need is for a Brighton local to start creating listings for these places under the relevant headings and just add a line to say wifi is available there (one or 2 already had listings elsewhere, do have done that and removed them from the wifi list).

(WT-en) Nrms 00:22, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Brisbane

Research links
The following external links were removed from the Brisbane article because they do not follow the Project:External links guidelines and are not relevant to the Brisbane article. They may help contributors. -- (WT-en) Huttite 06:55, 11 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * Whereis - has extensive mapping of South East Queensland, and the rest of Australia. Also has directions search capability
 * Multimap - as above
 * Tourism Australia - not specifically related to Brisbane, but has information on tourism in Australia in general.
 * Destination Queensland
 * Tourism Queensland - the official guide to Queensland
 * Tourism Queensland - Tourism Queensland corporate
 * What's On in Brisbane - Brisbane events, festivals, performing arts, markets, galleries and museums, as well as local TV and movie guides
 * Citysearch Brisbane - event guide (but by no means exhaustive) to Brisbane
 * Brisbane Weather - 7 day forecast, current conditions and radar.
 * Wissie.org - A new project which aims at collecting detailed information about entertainment opportunities in Brisbane and the Gold Coast in a Wiki

Page Banner
Nice panorama, but it shows Brisbane on a very dreary, overcast day. Not very welcoming and is counter to what the article says about Brisbane being a sunny, vibrant city. Could a more vibrant image be used? —The preceding comment was added by EmbersLucent (talk • contribs) 02:56, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

On this point also, why is there a picture of Brisbane during the peak of the 2011 flood from the William Jolly Bridge? It's not a very inviting image and shows a bleak city with an awful river. Surely we can insert some nice images of the city into this article?

Districts?
This really looks like it nheeds to be districted and districts are already in place. Its loads of work, anyone up for it? Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 19:52, 5 November 2008 (EST).

 * What are you, the district cheerleader? :) – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 03:36, 7 November 2008 (EST)

 * What it really needs is some more photo's to break up the huge blocks of text - then I think it's fine :) (WT-en) Sertmann 03:46, 7 November 2008 (EST)

 * Haha, Caca, I just see lotsa info. Sertman, I agree more photos is definitely needed:)!  Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 10:23, 7 November 2008 (EST).

Well the article has grown quite a bit since 2008. I think it's time to split this article into Districts. --(WT-en) Anewcleardawn 21:46, 8 September 2011 (EDT)
 * It would be great if you could propose a district plan. I am ready to help with a map. --(WT-en) burmesedays 22:16, 8 September 2011 (EDT)
 * Well, I think it's clear that I don't have the time or will to do this! Someone else would probably do a better job anyway. --(WT-en) Anewcleardawn 09:12, 14 April 2012 (EDT)

 * CBD/Foritude Valley and New Farm/South Brisbane, East Brisbane, West End/Paddington, Milton and Toowong/Northern suburbs/Eastern suburbs/Southern suburbs/Western suburbs

And then the outer suburbs and bayside need their own article.
 * CBD/Valley
 * South Brisbane/South Bank/West End
 * New Farm/Newstead
 * Gabba/East Brisbane/Kangaroo Point
 * St Lucia, Indooroopilly, Milton, Paddington

Have added in the districts. Any issues with the regions? The article now needs a district map, to be cleaned up and the district articles written. --EmbersLucent (talk) 02:50, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure that wasn't premature.
 * If you look at each of our "new" district articles, they seem a bit sparse, don't they?
 * The CBD, Inner North, Inner South, Inner West, Inner East, West End & St. Lucia, Bayside and Outer Suburbs.

 * Our polite new editor has begun to create these districts of Brisbane pages, but even he seems to have struggled to find sufficient glittering prose to add to even the district described as " Brisbane's ultimate entertainment and restaurant district". --118.93nzp (talk) 11:07, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't really doubt that Brisbane probably needs to be districted, but usually we have a discussion about the best way to do that before creating districts willy-nilly that may have gaps or overlaps. User:Kid Self has just created the following districts: So, I guess the questions to answer are: Once we figure all that out, we need a districts section in the article, and hopefully a map showing where these districts are. Texugo (talk) 17:36, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Brisbane/Bayside and Outer Suburbs
 * Brisbane/Inner East
 * Brisbane/Inner North
 * Brisbane/Inner West
 * Brisbane/Inner South
 * Brisbane/West End and St. Lucia
 * Brisbane/CBD
 * Is this a reasonable number of districts for this size city?
 * Are they reasonably named?
 * Do they cover the whole city with no gaps?
 * Do they overlap in any way? (they should not)
 * Where are the boundaries?

 * Actually, our new editor did us a service by attempting to point out the inadequacy of district articles that had either not yet been created or were boney skeletons after this edit by  that (prematurely?) districtified Brisbane into this:

Districts

Like most Australian capital cities, Brisbane features a large urban sprawl with many different areas having their own unique features and characteristics.

 * --118.93nzp (talk) 22:44, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

 * It is hard to say if Brisbane needs dividing up into regions..
 * I would say the article does not have sufficient content in terms of 'See' and 'Do' at present to adequately fill respective district articles.
 * On the other hand, it has no shortage of restaurant and bar listings which could easily fill in district articles.
 * I would say that if an emotionally stable editor who has knowledge of Brisbane would like to work on this this then by all means districts can be defined (I only have had one week in the city myself). Otherwise I would leave it 'as is' for now. Andrewssi2 (talk) 03:29, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

 * It is indeed a puzzle.
 * Texugo is right if he is suggesting from a theoretical Wikivoyage standpoint that a capital city like Brisbane, with more than two million residents should be capable of sustaining sub-districts. However, I do disagree with the theoretical approach that - once we've thrashed out names and boundaries - we should plunge forward and districtify. Since there are so few suburban things to do and see, such a theoretical approach would not serve the traveller by leading to the main Brisbane article being gutted and hollowed out, leading to a situation where folks effectively first have to click on Brisbane and then again on The CBD to see where to eat, see, do or sleep, etc.
 * If we had enough interested editors, my approach would be to first agree the names and boundaries as suggested by Texugo, then get a map drawn but then pause until such time as we'd been able to prepare substantial draft articles (perhaps in user namespace).
 * In essence, over the past decade, I've just seen too many theoretical districtification schemes fail for want of sufficient material. My approach is more pragmatic - only districtify when the shear volume of material forces it. --118.93nzp (talk) 05:01, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

 * I'm not familiar with Brisbane, but I just want to point out that Karachi is much more populous, yet a decision was made not to districtify that city on this site. So the mere fact that Brisbane has a population of over 2,000,000 is not per se a reason to districtify. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:38, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Since the discussion appears stalled, I'm going to redirect the pages back to Brisbane for now in order to prevent anyone accidentally hitting a page with no content when they need to look at Brisbane. The redirects can be changed if these pages are actually required in future. Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:31, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Good thinking. --118.93nzp (talk) 08:09, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Brisbane
Moved from 'Vandalism in Progress' page

I'm uncomfortable about the structural edits that Special:Contributions/Kid_Self (a new user) is making. (Creating new articles with no template. Deleting content from main article)

I have asked him/her to talk on the Brisbane discussion page.

I'm just raising this concern early to any admins who may be online. Thanks. Andrewssi2 (talk) 10:37, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Just to be clear, I don't think this is intentional vandalism but wasn't sure where else to alert this. Andrewssi2 (talk) 10:42, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, this user is here in good faith, though a block may have to be used as an absolute last resort if we are unable to communicate with them. --Rschen7754 10:45, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Agreed. We will see if they respond. Andrewssi2 (talk) 10:49, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Good faith? he's abusing! --Saqib (talk) 10:57, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

 * It's good that you've alerted us to these important changes, Andrew.
 * If we're true to our wiki culture, we'll adopt a waiting brief and see where this leads; it may be that the new editor has great and fully-worked out plans to be made, it may be that they haven't. Being a wiki, we can reverse any changes as needed in due course. I do agree that it would have been easier if they had perhaps created some model pages in user space and then asked on the article discussion page for comments on the proposed new structure... It's good to see Rschen7754 state that "a block... an absolute last resort...". --118.93nzp (talk) 10:57, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

 * OK, I know sometimes people can be touchy, however I don't believe this vulgar response was required Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:01, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * That is not appropriate, and I've warned the user not to do it again. --Rschen7754 11:07, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I won't attempt to interact with them anymore. Good luck. Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:11, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Appropriate aside, such comments not acceptable here. --Saqib (talk) 11:13, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

I moved this discussion here from the Vandalism in progress page. Andrewssi2 (talk) 08:26, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Images and Edits
Hopefully no one is too touchy this time, but I added a bunch of images to try breaking up text and making it easier for casual browsers to quickly move to the right section without having to read too much (e.g. you can quickly recognise the section on public transport 'cos there's an image of a bus). Added a little more info for the Brisbane Festival (saying when it was), and a number of annual parades. If anyone wants to add/subsitute further images there's a good selection (not just mine) available on the Brisbane category page over at Wiki Commons - which might be useful for illustrating locations. With luck I haven't overdone stuff, but if any feedback then let me know. Bald white guy (talk)

 * Greetings, bald, white guy from another of your ilk (presumably) half a world away)!
 * Interesting idea with the images. We used to have very nice and useful multi-level table of contents here until they were (unnecessarily?) nuked by the eye-candy "banners" at the top of each page, so this may well help... --W. Frankemailtalk 13:16, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

 * Cool. Thanks for the feedback. Yes - I have some misgivings about the banner at the top (as a Brisbanite I'm in agreement with one of the other comments about it being good to have something more picturesque ... but at this point I can't really replace it with anything better. I might try having a look at some of the text - as the current intro reads like a very old tourist brochure. Bald white guy (talk)

Guide/DotM
With all the improvements by User:Nickw25, this article is at least very close to Guide status, and fast becoming a viable Destination of the Month candidate. I notice that there are still 9 footnote-style external links. Are there any other obvious improvements that need to be done before we consider this a Guide and prepare it for DotM nomination? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:02, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Airport info should be summarized
There really is no point in having a Brisbane Airport article if all the same information is in Brisbane. I turned the section through the end of "Transferring between terminals" into a summary, but I'd like someone else to try their hand at the rest. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:31, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

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Districts
I am failing to understand why it is not distrified here? Brisbane is Australia's largest city in area, not population, and yet small Gold Coast which only holds 25% of Brissie's population is distrified. So here's my proposed districts:

 * Brisbane (metro) (the metro area only, which does not include Logan, Ipswich or Moreton Bay)
 * Logan City (Queensland) → Brisbane/Logan
 * A new Brisbane/Moreton Bay article
 * Ipswich (Queensland) → Brisbane/Ipswich

I think that is good for now, but if we have any editors from Brissie here, then we may choose to introduce smaller districts, but this seems good to me now. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:22, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

 * Did you read above? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:04, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I read it. But I note that that is only Brisbane and not Greater Brissie. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Please lay out your plans. About how many listings per proposed district? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:34, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Almost a year later, this has now been implemented in Greater Brisbane. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:37, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Is Brisbane the most 'forward-thinking' capital city?
"Despite this rapid development, it maintains a youthful enthusiasm and is arguably one of the most laid-back and forward-thinking of any Australian capital city"

This is probably going to go down to a mix a definitions and subjectivity, but surely Canberra is the post progressive Australian capital city? (The only place to vote 'yes' in the recent referendum).

Perhaps someone will tell me that Canberra/ACT is not a State and hence doesn't qualify, but I think from a travelling perspective Canberra would be it. Additionally, I'm not sure Brisbane is more progressive than Melbourne, but at the very least it would be very close. @SHB2000. - Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:20, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

 * I'm guessing this sentiment comes from the fact that three of Brisbane's inner federal electorates, Brisbane, Griffith and Ryan (I think it was Ryan? I need to double check) and 3 of the nearby seats in BCC are held by Labor (only Bonner is held by the Coalition). Personally, I think it's up to a matter of debate on whether it's BCC or Canberra (definitely not Melbourne or Sydney, though – their outer areas are very conservative). The same three Greens federal electorates in Brisbane are also the only three to vote Yes while all of Canberra voted yes. I think it's best to just remove the sentence given how debatable it is. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 07:41, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Bristol

Like every other place on planet Earth, Bristol has its rough areas

Sounds polemical and apologetic. And it's not even true. Many places on planet Earth don't have "rough areas". Singapore, Helsinki and Dubai spring to mind. I'm sure there are many more. I'll change this phrase to something more neutral. 82.32.60.14 06:47, 24 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * Believe it or not, both Singapore and Helsinki do have rough areas — although I suspect I'd feel a lot safer walking through them alone at midnight than in Bristol's equivalents. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:35, 24 Nov 2005 (EST)

Districts?
Can someone who knows Bristol better than me suggest how to break this up into districts? I tried to use the "Eat" section, but gave up, 'cause most of the stuff appeared to be out of the city center area. Bristol is big and a mess for getting around. Someone in the city center (centre) is unlikely to have a car. -- (WT-en) Jonboy 16:36, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

 * Virtually all of the establishments currently listed in the "Eat" section are within a short walking distance (most of them under 15 mins) from the centre. 195.188.41.139 12:01, 13 September 2006 (EDT)

Listing Removals

 * Fresh and Wild : In the budget section I put back a listing that starts The canteen in the Fresh and Wild ... because there was no explanation for removing it. - (WT-en) Huttite 08:35, 30 January 2009 (EST)

Fresh & Wild Bristol
From my talk page, in response to my welcome message on Jezhotwells talk page. - (WT-en) Huttite 22:03, 30 January 2009 (EST)

Fresh and Wild shut down in early 2008. That is why I removed it. (WT-en) Jezhotwells 21:23, 30 January 2009 (EST)

 * Thanks for that information. It just needed to be documented, on the Bristol talk page, why the removal took place, as unjustified removals could be interpreted as being anti-competitive. Just noting it in the comment notes is not always enough. If you make lots of edits to a page then all your changes can be viewed as a single difference, and the intermediate notes are not displayed. On this occasion I missed your note, as I was at the end of a late night session in front of the keyboard. Sorry about that. - Huttite 21:36, 30 January 2009 (EST)

 * sorry about my accidental erasure on your talk page, I did revert it, when I realised my mistake. I have removed several errors of fact and listings of attractions or businesses which have closed.  Each such instance is documented in the edit. (WT-en) Jezhotwells 17:23, 31 January 2009 (EST)

Bristol isn't in Somerset, it isn't in Gloucestershire
As above Bristol has been a county since 1373 CE so surely should be listed directly under West Country. (WT-en) Jezhotwells 17:39, 31 January 2009 (EST)
 * having figured out the IsIn template have moved it up into West Country. (WT-en) Jezhotwells 16:01, 1 February 2009 (EST)

Confused...
These two statements in the introduction and then in the 'Understand' section seem to contradict each other. "Bristol ranks fourth in England’s top visitor destinations", and later, "Although it’s often overlooked as a tourist destination..." How can a city be the 4th most popular destination in England, but still be considered overlooked by tourists? 72.133.202.219 23:55, 26 October 2010 (EDT)

Dirac?
For me, one of the most interesting things about Bristol is that Paul Dirac grew up there, but I see no mention of him in the article. Is there a monument, a plaque at his old school, whatever? Pashley (talk) 02:52, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Deep down in that WP article, it says: "Dirac's childhood home in Bristol is commemorated with a blue plaque and the nearby Dirac Road is named in recognition of his links with the city." More info here and here. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:19, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Bug in the listings editor?
Following up on this after User:Ikan Kekek noticing that the listings editor somehow copied the entire Eat: Budget section when I added a new listing to it. Strangely, this huge addition of content remains unreported in the article size. There is no point in renaming it to mid range because the listings are already there! So reverted that edit to draw attention from the developers. 51.9.171.96 19:01, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

The Llandoger Trow
The Llandoger Trow pub has closed. It is a Grade II listed building with some literary history, but it debatable whether it is worth going to view the outside of the building. There are over 1000 listed buildings in Bristol, so we can't show many of them. However if this building is reopened, then it may be worth restoring the listing.

—The preceding comment was added by AlasdairW (talk • contribs)

Tell me that's not worth seeing. Listed buildings are not always superficially interesting to look at, but this one is.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 00:43, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Bristol Channel

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Body of Water - Can it be an article?

 * Note: General disagreement with the Wikivoyage body of water policy should be discussed at Project:Bodies of water.

The Bristol Channel is a body of water and since you cannot sleep there, unless you want to get wet and drown, we don't normally create destinations for such geographical features. This article could be turned into a region based on a body of water, such as the Bay of Fundy article, that this article (incorrectly!) links to because that is about a New Brunswick, Canada, region. - (WT-en) Huttite 11:05, 14 February 2009 (EST)

 * I am obviously trying to disagree with you about the Bristol Channel not being a destination. I have holidayed there on numerous occasions, obviously travelling by boat. It might be classified as a region because it encompasses many attractions and destinations. Yes you can sleep there whether you are aboard a vessel or staying in any of the hostelries along the coast, or on the islands that provide accomodation, such as Flatholm, Caldy or Lundy. If the consensus of opinion is to delete it then so be it, 'que sera sera'.(WT-en) Brianeric 17:49, 14 February 2009 (EST)

Archived VfD

 * I cannot decide whether to Delete or Disambiguate this body of water. I have proposed it here because the policy says we don't normally create such articles (but sometimes we do!) So I want to get a feel for where the tide of opinion is running on this article and perhaps provoke discussion about these sorts of articles generally. Perhaps the policy is too indecisive. - (WT-en) Huttite 11:14, 14 February 2009 (EST)

 * Weak don't redirect I still maintain that the purpose of a disambiguation or redirection is to point somebody in the direction of where they might find the information they are looking for.  If we can define what the user is looking for, and we have that information located somewhere else, then a redirect or a disambiguation makes perfect sense, and we should just do it as a matter of course.  When either of these factors is missing - when it isn't at all clear what the user is looking for, or that information isn't located in a few fixed places in the guide, we are not helping anyone with a redirect or disambiguation.  Redirecting to a higher level region isn't useful if it makes no mention of the search term, as the user is still left with nowhere to go.  We are better off just letting it fall back to the default search, where are least the user will be presented with a listing of all articles that match their search, in relevance order.  In this case the text of this article it seems to more resemble a travel topic for navigating the waterway.  Again, we could end up with a article for how to navigate most navigable waterways, and that may be a valuable thing, but at the moment that fits more within our travel topic hierarchy then it does within our destination hierarchy.  --(WT-en) Inas 18:44, 26 February 2009 (EST)

Hold We apparently really need to root out a policy on this, since alot of us are starting to second guess the current one. (see discussion for North Sea above). --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 21:06, 2 March 2009 (EST)

 * Can we close this one too? — (WT-en) Ravikiran 23:15, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Result: Keep, at least for now. (WT-en) LtPowers 20:58, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

Page deletion
Stumbled upon this page by accident by Googling for the Bristol article. This article doesn't seem to be linked to from other articles except the Bristol article which links to it once in its introduction. There have been no significant content contributions in the last 10 years (!) since deleting it was first suggested, and it's still little more than a skeleton. Perhaps after 10 years there are new opinions on whether it should be redirected or deleted? 87.74.178.74 23:08, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. Feel free to renominate it at vfd. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:47, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. 87.74.178.74 08:50, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

VfD
Please see Votes for deletion/February 2024. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 22:37, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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Page name
Ooops.. I guess I should have named this region Bristol-Norfolk !! (WT-en) OldPine 19:05, 26 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Just move the page to Bristol-Norfolk and all will be well. -- (WT-en) Ryan 19:13, 26 June 2006 (EDT)

9 Cities
This should have its list of cities cut to 9. -- (WT-en) Jonboy 10:34, 13 January 2007 (EST)

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