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Talk:Pune

Comments
I happened to come to this Wiki page on a colleagues suggestion and noticed that there were a lot of mistakes - both in the spellings and grammar of the article. So got down and fixed some of these.

The major changes that I made are as follows:

 * Changed the formatting of the document and capitalised the words properly and also changed the bold text as and when required.
 * Made quite a few grammatical changes to make the article more readable.
 * Added all the links I could find and also did a thorough spelling and grammar check on the See section.
 * Added all links that I could find in the Learn section.

Still have lots of editing to go, so will appreciate any help. Also, after editing, please add changes made to this page. Would make it a lot easier to review the content and enhance the quality of the main Pune page listing.

(WT-en) saurabhj

 * Thanks for your help! But don't worry too much about recording changes here, it's all stored automatically in the article history. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:27, 29 September 2006 (EDT)

Linking content
Just wanted to know when should we add separate links and when should the text itself be a link? I saw the New York City article which is a guide article and they have used both at different places. Just wanted to clear some doubts, so that we could have a more consistent flow.

(WT-en) saurabhj 11:30, 30 September 2006 (IST)

 * The New York City article is a horrible mess and is a model of what not to do... The Project:Manual of Style lays out the Correct(tm) guidelines. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:28, 30 September 2006 (EDT)
 * To see an example of a correctly formatted article, check out Lausanne. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 12:20, 30 September 2006 (EDT)

i've edited a fair bit
i've edited a fair bit of the article on pune and the listings are complete. i think that it deserves the status of a star, perhaps with a bit of more editing. i'm currently not signed in but my ID is upamanyuwikivoyage.
 * The edits are appreciated, but please be aware that there is now a procedure for awarding "Star status" that takes some time and involves significant consensus building. Making the Star assignment is premature until all that has been done.  Your edits are helping to push the article toward being a Star, so keep up the good work, and the status itself will follow if consensus favors it. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:25, 28 November 2006 (EST)

 * I'm giving it a starnomination. okay. upamanyuwikivoyage

 * I don't see why you guys don't want to make it a star. I find it much more useful than some of the other star articles. upamanyuwikivoyage

 * Please read through Project:Article status. It's not enough to be useful, it has to be formatted like a perfect article, and we've given you lots of feedback on what's still missing at Project:Star nominations.  It's a very high standard, and that's why we have under 10 Stars out of over 20,000 articles. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:07, 2 December 2006 (EST)

Ex links
Moved these from the main page, but maybe still useful...

 * Virtual Pune has a wealth of information on Pune and its surroundings.
 * Around Pune focuses on the interesting sites around the city of Pune.
 * Pune Diary is another good website on the city.
 * Pune Events lists all major events, activities and exhibitions in the city. The website is updated very regularly, and is a better source than the newspapers.
 * The official website for the city of Pune.

(WT-en) Cacahuate 07:21, 10 December 2006 (EST)

 * They seem to have been replaced. Can someone comment? --(WT-en) Evan 15:23, 13 December 2006 (EST)

Photos
Dude, Upamanyu, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but please don't put up photos of somewhere else and claim that it is Pune. It is the sort of thing that will only get Wikivoyage made fun of. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 00:56, 14 December 2006 (EST)

cultural capital?
Pune is the cultural capital of Maharashtra? Not Mumbai? I've never been there, but... (WT-en) Cacahuate 12:03, 16 December 2006 (EST)
 * It is an informal term. Yes, Mumbai is the legal capital, but it is a city the British built. Pune, on the other hand, was the capital of a vast Maratha confederacy and is a pretty significant centre of Marathi art and culture. It certainly deserves the title. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 12:21, 16 December 2006 (EST)
 * Well there ya go. perhaps I shall visit... (WT-en) Cacahuate 12:35, 16 December 2006 (EST)
 * Cacahuate, Pune is v. much the cultural capital of Maharashtra, not Mumbai.
 * Got it, my ignorance shows... sorry :)  (WT-en) Cacahuate 12:36, 21 December 2006 (EST)

Libraries (Public/Private)?
Could someone post some information on Public/Private libraries in Pune. I am sure that since Pune has been a students' city and is also called the cultural capital of maharashtra - there must be some good libraries around but being new to the city, i am not able to locate one...Thanks in advance. --(WT-en) Phaedreus 05:00, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

Learn listings
Not a single thing here is for the traveller. I'm going to torch the whole section. Pune University and Fergusson College are already listed in the See section, but the Learn section is supposed to be places that offer short classes that a traveller could do, right? Not a comprehensive list of every business school, trade school, and college around. If you put it back, please enter into discussion. (WT-en) Texugo 22:07, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Lots of copyright violations
I just removed some of the Understand section, the infobox about peths, and a lot of descriptions from the Get Out section because they were all copied verbatim from other websites (I listed which ones in the edit descriptions). In the case of the infobox, I compared the article histories, and that text existed on Wikipedia before it came here. In the other cases, Google searches of the text brought up other sites, many of them government sites, and did not bring up Wikivoyage, suggesting to me that their addition to Wikivoyage happened later. If you have any information to the contrary, please note it here before adding the text back in. (WT-en) Texugo 23:22, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Districtifying Pune
Isn't about time to Districtify Pune - it is getting rather large, with lots of district listings. -- (WT-en) Huttite 03:47, 22 January 2009 (EST)

 * The area corresponding to the Districts actually contained information about the prominent suburbs and localities within Pune and hence I feel the terminology is incorrect. Have changed it to Localities / Suburbs.

(WT-en) saurabhj 01:08, 16 August 2009 (IST)

Sizzlers
What are Sizzlers and why do they have their own section? -- (WT-en) Huttite 03:54, 22 January 2009 (EST)

 * Sizzlers are actually a food item immensely popular in the city. You are right. They don't need their own section. Merging it with the rest of the restaurants. -- (WT-en) saurabhj 01:11, 16 August 2009 (IST)

Newspapers?
The page had a list of newspapers. I did not find any other pages having a list of newspapers. So removing that section and putting it here. Just incase anybody needs it later.

KESARI
 * PUDHARI
 * Loksatta
 * Sakaal
 * The Indian Express
 * The Hindu
 * Hindustan Times
 * The Times Of India
 * Intelligent Pune, ]. A 32 page English weekly tabloid published every Friday.Email id : ip.prabhat@gmail.com
 * DNA,
 * Pune Mirror

(WT-en) saurabhj 00:24, 16 August 2009 (IST)

Learn
What is the reason for including all of these training institutes in a Travel Guide? (WT-en) Shep 03:27, 21 February 2010 (EST)

 * I don't see any reason at all for it. They are not opportunities for travellers, so I'm removing them. I'll post them below for posterity's sake:

Balaji Institute of Modern Management (BIMM) (formerly known as Indian Institute of Modern Management (IIMM)) Ranked one amongst top 10 Private B-School in India. (Source: Wall Street Journal (USA) - Oct, 2009)

Balaji Institute of Telecom Management (BITM) (formerly known as Indian Centre for Telecom and Management (ICTM)) Among top 3 Telecom and Management Institute in India. Rated as 'A++' Grade B-School in India (Source: Business India, Nov, 1 2009)

Balaji Institute of International Business (BIIB) (formerly known as Indian Centre for International Business (ICIB)) Rated as 'A++' Grade B-School in India (Source: Business India, Nov, 1 2009)

Balaji Institute of Human Resource and Management (BIMHRD) (formerly known as Indian Centre for Management and Human Resource Development (ICMHRD) Rated as 'A++' Grade B-School in India (Source: Business India, Nov, 1 2009)

College of Engineering Pune (COEP): COEP was Established in 1854 and is an autonomous institute of the Government of Maharashtra, COEP is one of the most sought after engineering colleges in the country (by students and employers alike). COEP is the only one in its league to sport its own boat club. In 2004 the college celebrated its 150 years anniversary and the function was addressed by his Excellency Dr. Abdul Kalam, Honourable ex-President of India.

Deccan College Postgraduate and Research Institute: Offers postgraduate degress and PhD in the fields named Linguistics and Archeology.

Vishwakarma Institute of Technology, Pune:Vishwakarma Institute of Technology, Pune a highly commendable private institute, occupies a place of pride amongst the premier technical institutes of the western region of India. Established in year 1983, financed and run by the Bansilal Ramanath Agrawal Charitable Trust,Pune. It is affiliated to Pune University. Within two decades, the institute marched towards the pinnacle of glory through its remarkable achievements and laurels in the field of engineering education of a high calibre.The institute offers Undergraduate,Postgraduate and Doctoral (Ph.D.) programs in Engineering.. It has six full-fledged departments having nine branches with faculty who are motivated with a quest to promote engineering and technical education. The faculty members are constantly training themselves by participating in and presenting papers at various national programs in their field of specialisation.

Symbiosis International University: SIU is an International Deemed University. It consists of 32 separate Institutes offering varied courses in the fields of Business Management, Computers, Telecom, Design, Media etc. Some of the most prominent institutes are Symbiosis Institute of Computer Studies and Research(SICSR), Symbiosis Institute of Business Management(SIBM), Symbiosis Institute of Telecom Management(SITM),Symbiosis Centre for Management and Human Resource Development(SCMHRD). Symbiosis is known for its state of art infrastructure and quality of education.

Sinhgad College of Engineering (SCOE): SCOE was established in the year 1996 – 1997 offering 4 – years degree courses in Information Technology, Computer, Electronics & Telecommunication, Mechanical, Chemical, Civil Engineering and Production Engineering.

Sinhgad Institute of Management:Sinhgad Institute of Management has set precedence with its excellent academic track record and unique teaching learning process. SIOM was established in the year 1994 with the MBA Programme. Now it has added six more courses to its repertoire. More details about Sinhgad Institutions on

Listings with no address
There are enough listings that we don't need to clutter it up with listings that are missing addresses. Here are ones I pulled from the article. (WT-en) Texugo 08:26, 1 January 2011 (EST)

 * Kondhalkar MastaniAnother place for mouthwatering mastanis. Khus & Pista are the best. Also try the seasonal flavours - Guava, Jamun & Custard Apple.

 * Chingari also serves Indian food, but in an open-air atmosphere.

 * Coffee Shop is a 24 hour cafe which serves Indian, Continental and Italian dishes.

 * La Brasserie serves good pastries in a trendy atmosphere.

 * Mystic Masala serves authentic Indian food.

 * The Tea Lounge serves tea and snacks in a laid-back atmosphere.

 * Mainland China serves excellent Chinese dishes. One of the few Chinese restaurants in the country which serves authentic and non-Indianized food. The menu has a great selection of Cantonese Dim-sums.

 * Whispering Bamboo is an Oriental restaurant serving Thai and Chinese cuisine.

Train line detail
I removed the following train line detail from Pune --Andrewssi2 (talk) 20:42, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

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Below is a list of services connecting Pune with different parts of India:

Pune - Ahmedabad Route

11050 Ahmedabad Express from Kolhapur - Ahmedabad Route- Kolhapur, Miraj, Sangli, Satara, Pune, Lonavala, Karjat, Kalyan, Bhivandi Road, Vasai Road, Dahanu Road, Vapi, Valsad, Navsari, Surat, Bharuch, Vadodara, Anand, Nadiad, Ahmedabad

11096 Ahimsa Express from Pune - Ahmedabad Route- Pune, Lonavala, Karjat, Kalyan, Bhivandi Road, Vasai Road, Dahanu Road, Vapi, Valsad, Navsari, Surat, Bharuch, Vadodara, Anand, Nadiad, Ahmedabad

11088 Veraval Express from Pune - Veraval Route- Pune, Lonavala, Karjat, Kalyan, Bhivandi Road, Vasai Road, Dahanu Road, Vapi, Valsad, Navsari, Surat, Bharuch, Vadodara, Anand, Nadiad, Ahmedabad, Viramgam, Surendranagar, Wankaner, Rajkot, Gondal, Navagadh, Junagadh, Keshod, Veraval

11090 Jodhpur Express from Pune - Jodhpur Route- Pune, Lonavala, Karjat, Kalyan, Bhivandi Road, Vasai Road, Dahanu Road, Vapi, Valsad, Navsari, Surat, Bharuch, Vadodara, Anand, Nadiad, Maninagar, Ahmedabad, Mahesana, Palanpur, Abu Road, Falna, Marwar, Pali, Luni, Jodhpur

11092 Ahimsa Express from Pune - Bhuj Route- Pune, Lonavala, Karjat, Kalyan, Bhivandi Road, Vasai Road, Vapi, Valsad, Navsari, Surat, Bharuch, Vadodara, Anand, Nadiad, Maninagar, Ahmedabad, Viramgram, Dharandhar, Samakhiali, Bhachau, Gandhidham, Adipur, Anjar, Bhuj

16210 Ajmer Express from Mysore - Ajmer Route- Mysore, Mandya, Bangalore City, Yeshwantpur, Tumkar, tiptur, Arsikere, Bidur, Dhavangere, Harihar, Ranibennur, Haveri, Hubli, Dharwad, Londa, Belgaum, Ghatprabha, Miraj, Sangli, Karad, Satara, Pune, Lonavala, Karjat, Kalyan, Bhivandi Road, Vasai Road, Vapi, Valsad, Navsari, Surat, Bharuch, Vadodara, Anand, Nadiad, Ahmedabad, Mahesana, Palanpur, Abu Road, Falna, Marwar, Sojat Road, Bewar, Ajmer

16508 Jodhpur Express from Bangalore City - Jodhpur Route- Bangalore City, Yeshwantpur, Tumkar, Tiptur, Arsikere, Bidur, Dhavangere, Harihar, Ranibennur, Haveri, Hubli, Dharwad, Londa, Belgaum, Ghatprabha, Miraj, Sangli, Karad, Satara, Pune, Lonavala, Karjat, Kalyan, Bhivandi Road, Vasai Road, Vapi, Valsad, Navsari, Surat, Bharuch, Vadodara, Anand, Nadiad, Ahmedabad, Mahesana, Palanpur, Abu Road, Falna, Marwar, Pali, Luni, Jodhpur

16532 Garib Nawaz Express from Bangalore (Yeshwantpur) - Ajmer Route- Yeshwantpur, Dharamavaram, Anantpur, Guntkal, Bellary, Hospet, Koppal, Gadag, Hubli, Dharwad, Londa, Belgaum, Ghatprabha, Miraj, Sangli, Karad, Satara, Pune, Lonavala, Karjat, Kalyan, Bhivandi Road, Vasai Road, Vapi, Valsad, Navsari, Surat, Vadodara, Anand, Nadiad, Ahmedabad, Mahesana, Palanpur, Abu Road, Falna, Marwar, Sojat Road, Bewa, Ajmer

16534 Jodhpur Express from Bangalore (Yeshwantpur) - Jodhpur Route- Yeshwantpur, Dharamavaram, Guntkal, Bellary, Hospet, Koppal, Gadag, Hubli, Dharwad, Londa, Belgaum, Ghatprabha, Miraj, Sangli, Karad, Satara, Pune, Lonavala, Karjat, Kalyan, Bhivandi Road, Vasai Road, Vapi, Valsad, Navsari, Surat, Vadodara, Anand, Nadiad, Ahmedabad, Mahesana, Palanpur, Abu Road, Falna, Marwar, Pali, Luni, Jodhpur

16506 Gandhidham Express from Bangalore City - Gandhidham Route- Bangalore City, Yeshwantpur, Tumkar, Tiptur, Arsikere, Bidur, Dhavangere, Harihar, Ranibennur, Haveri, Hubli, Dharwad, Londa, Belgaum, Ghatprabha, Miraj, Sangli, Karad, Satara, Pune, Lonavala, Karjat, Kalyan, Bhivandi Road, Vasai Road, Vapi, Valsad, Navsari, Surat, Ankaleshwar, Vadodara, Anand, Nadiad, Ahmedabad, Dharandhar, Samakhiali, Bhachau, Gandhidham

Pune - Delhi Route

11077	Jhelum Express from Pune to Jammu Tawi Route - Pune, Daund, Manmad , Bhusaval , Khandwa, Itarsi , Bhopal , Jhansi , Gwalior , Agra , New Delhi , Ambala , Ludhiana , Jalandhar , Chakki Bank and Jammu Tawi

12263 Duronto Express from Pune to New Delhi (Hazrat Nizamuddin) Route - Nonstop Train between Pune and Hazrat Nizamuddin

12147 Nizamuddin Express from Chhatrapati Shahumaharaj Terminus Kolhapur to New Delhi via Pune. Route - Kolhapur, Pune, Daund , Manmad , Bhusaval , Khandwa,  Itarsi , Bhopal , Jhansi , Gwalior , Agra and New Delhi

12629 Sampark Kranti Express from Bangalore (Yeswantpur) to New Delhi (Hazrat Nizamuddin) via Pune. Route - Yeswantpur, Hubli  , Miraj  , Pune , Bhopal  , Jhansi and Hazrat Nizamuddin

12779 Goa Express from 	Vasco da Gama, Goa to New Delhi (Hazrat Nizamuddin) Route - Vasco Da Gama, Madgaon , Londa , Belgaum , Miraj , Pune , Daund , Manmad , Bhusaval , Khandwa, Itarsi , Bhopal , Jhansi , Gwalior , Agra and Hazrat Nizamuddin

Pune - Kolkata Route

12129 Azad Hind Express from Pune to Howrah Route - Pune, Daund , Manmad , Bhusawal , Nagpur , Raipur , Rourkela , Howrah

12221 Howrah Duronto Express From Pune to Howrah Route- Nonstop Train between Pune and Howrah

Pune - Chennai Route

11027 Chennai Mail From Mumbai to Chennai via Pune Route - Mumbai CST, Pune , Daund , Solapur , Wadi , Raichur , Guntakal , Renigunta , Chennai

11041 CSTM Chennai Express from Mumbai to Chennai via Pune Route - Mumbai CST, Pune , Daund , Solapur , Wadi , Raichur , Guntakal , Renigunta , Chennai

12163 Chennai Express from Dadar to Chennai Route - Dadar, Pune , Daund , Solapur , Wadi , Raichur , Guntakal , Renigunta , Chennai

Pune - Mumbai Route

12124 Deccan Queen from Pune to Mumbai CST Route - Pune, Lonavala , Dadar (One Way), Mumbai CST

12126 Pragati Express from Pune to Mumbai CST Route - Pune, Lonavala , Karjat , Kalyan , Thane , Dadar , Mumbai CST

11010 Sinhagad Express from Pune to Mumbai CST Route - Pune, Talegaon, Lonavala , Karjat , Kalyan , Thane , Dadar , Mumbai CST

11008 Deccan Express from Pune to Mumbai CST Route - Pune, Lonavala , Karjat , Neral (One Way), Kalyan , Thane , Dadar , Mumbai CST

12128 Intercity Express from Pune to Mumbai CST Route - Pune, Lonavala , Karjat , Kalyan , Thane , Dadar , Mumbai CST

12526 Indrayani Express from Pune to Mumbai CST Route - Pune, Lonavala , Karjat , Kalyan , Dadar , Mumbai CST

Concerning Districts
I think this article has a lot of potential. I'm going to attempt clean . Should we divide the city into districts? I definitely think the districts listed are too many; if we district-ified the city we would need to merge several together. Making this follow a big-city template would also mean a lot of work moving the listings around. I'm of the opinion that there's a ton of content in the article, but I'm not convinced it deserves a big-city format. I'd rather hack at the district section and move some of the summarized content in to the "Understand" section (but mostly because I don't want to fuss with moving all the listings over to other pages :) ).

For those in favor of creating districts, where should we "draw the lines"? I'm not familiar with the city, so I wouldn't want to go making educated guesses at how to divide up a city. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 19:54, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I would at this point not split into districts, the first task is to get the listings sorted out. Either add more detail, particularly location, or remove them. Although not a huge city it does take a long time to get from one part to the other (crazy traffic) and some of the listings are outside the main city so maybe a few districts could make sense at some point once the article in cleaned up. --Traveler100 (talk) 20:15, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

 * In my opinion, there's no way a city of 3 million people can be ever classified as "small". The dynamic map shows me that it's very spread out geographically as well. I'm always in favor of keeping things as simple as they can be, and suggest we work to establish consensus on a list of no more than NINE districts (the Wikivoyage way). Having never been to Pune, I'm afraid I cannot contribute to this discussion. Ibaman (talk) 20:24, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

 * I don't know enough to have an opinion about whether this article should be districtified, but I'd like to point out that Karachi, a much bigger city, is not. There is relevant discussion at Talk:Karachi/Archive 2013. Also, Pune can use a Large City Template without being districted, if such a decision is made. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:46, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Having thought it over, this will be my course of action: I agree with Traveler100 regarding a primary focus on the listings. As I clean the article up, I'll pay special attention to list items by ensuring they have addresses/contact info. If they don't, I'll move them here to the talk page. Since the district section already exists, should we perhaps add a style tag to the district section with comments about reducing/merging the number of districts to nine? Or, should all of that content be moved back here until a decision is made to district-ify? DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 13:26, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Having read all of the above, I think that districtification is not needed in this article. The "districts list" is superfluous at this point, and should be moved to this discussion page and unclutter the article. Ibaman (talk) 13:56, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a plan! I'll move it over. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 13:58, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * May have gone a little too far with some of the removal of see listings. Yes some are a bit out of the city Pune is still the only article in the area. --Traveler100 (talk) 22:08, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Terribly sorry if I "plunged" too fast and too deep, haha. I recognize your concern about ensuring these locations are visible/reachable on this site for the reading traveler. My thought process was this: Some of the Sees seem very far away from the city. I certainly wouldn't consider something 100 to 160km away as part of the city of Pune. The closest fort/trek destination, Sinhgad, is a 29km drive, four destinations are between 50km and 75km drives, and the other destinations are well into the 100km range. I'm still deciding if those items would be better in the "Go next" section (the manual of style suggests that day trip ideas go there) or if they might be better as a subsection titled "Day trips" (or something similar) in the "Do" or "See", and then moving the similar stuff under "Hill forts" from the "Sleep" section into that. That would at least prevent them mingling with closer attractions and then we can call out that they are some trek away. When I edit stuff, I always try to keep the spirit of the original content and my intention was to put a paragraph about the forts and hill stations in the See section, I just didn't have time yesterday. I also think it would be a good idea to duplicate the fort and hill station section in the Western Maharashtra region article since, to me, it makes more sense to list them there. I'm not a strongly opinionated person and I'm new here, so if you have a better idea let me know and we can do things that way. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 14:34, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Many of them I agree, should start to look at other location pages they could be added to. I would however consider

Sinhagad in the article. That is reachable for a trip out from the town and cannot see it worth creating some small village article to add it too. --Traveler100 (talk) 16:36, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds good! I've added Sinhagad fort back into the "See" section. I've also been working on the "Go next" section; I added in the two hill stations that were in "See" removal and then added distances from Pune to the destinations for many of the other ones. Perhaps later in the week I'll sort out where some of the further away forts and trekking destinations should be put and tackle that odd, almost itinerary, addition to "Sleep". I'm still mulling over how I want to incorporate the other "See" listings I temporarily removed, but lunch beckons. I'll try to be back later today to at least get the hill stations over into the Western Maharashtra article. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 17:06, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

District section backup
Below is a district section that was removed due to a discussion on this talk page. If districts are determined to be necessary in future, we can work off of this content.

Districts
Pune, despite being considered a small city, is growing very fast. Its some prominent areas are:

 * Aundh is in the north western part of Pune. It is a fast growing locality attracting IT and BPO companies. It is also the most convenient residential area for people working in Hinjewadi IT park.
 * Baner The fastest developing suburb in the city nowadays located in western region. This area is close to Hinjewadi IT park and Shree Chhatrapati Sports complex. Most convenient gateway to catch Mumbai e-way from the city.

 * Camp is the area which refers to Central Pune. At the center of Camp lies Bund Garden, Pune's largest green patch. Most of the corporate offices and upmarket shopping malls are located here. B T Kawade Road is centrally located residential area located near camp (Eastern Pune).

 * Deccan refers to the area around the Gymkhana by the same name. It is the cultural district and houses numerous theaters, art galleries and cinema halls.

 * Hadapsar is the eastern suburb of Pune. It is a fast growing locality attracting IT and BPO companies. It is also endorsed by the world bank for its development activities. Hadapsar is connected to the central city by the Pune-Solapur Highway. Hadapsar is also famous as the excellent location for the adventures paragliding. Thousands of national and international tourists come here, every year to experience he paragliding.

 * Kalyani Nagar is a fairly new and upcoming area located close to Koregaon Park having a multiplex and posh residential buildings.

 * Kharadi is an upcoming area. You can see this suburb on your left side while coming to Pune from Ahmednagar. Once a sleepy village, construction is now going on in a big way here. This area is 9 KM from the Pune railway station and about 7 KM from the airport. Zensar Technologies is in Kharadi.

 * Koregaon Park is located north-east of the Camp area. It is considered to be the poshest suburb and houses the city's best restaurants. Osho Ashram is here and one finds the maximum number of foreigners here.

 * Kothrud surrounds both sides of Karve Road and the adjoining Paud Road. It has the highest density of residential complexes in Pune. It houses quality restaurants as well as shopping complexes and also has many well known Schools & Engineering Colleges. Chandni Chowk located at extreme west of Kothrud hosts a number of well known restaurants and pubs - including a 24x7 cafe. The City Pride Multiplex and the Yeshwant Rao Natyagruh are located in this region.

 * Lohegaon is a suburb of Pune. The airport is located here. It is connected to Viman Nagar and Kalyani Nagar via the newly constructed VIP road.

 * Magarpatta City is the largest IT park SEZ located in Hadapsar. It is home to companies like IBM, Amdocs, ZS Associates, Avaya, eInfochips, Cerillion, JohnDeere, 'Sybase an SAP Company', EXL Service, Aviva, EDS, Principal Finance, Mellon, Patni, Honeywell, ADP, Capsilon, Accenture,Capita, Reflexis, SAS, Teradeta, Zensar, Synechron, BNY Mellon and Mphasis.

 * Mundhwa is an upcoming area. The famous Magarpatta Township is just adjoining this village.

 * Pashan is in the western region of Pune and only 4 km away from the Pune University. It is an extremely beautiful and pleasant part of the town on account being surrounded by hills. The Pashan lake in this region is very beautiful - especially in rainy season. Being a pleasant, calm and quiet area, it is highly suitable for residential purposes. Pashan also houses the National Chemical Laboratory (NCL), The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), Necklace Park and the Balaji temple.

 * The Peths are a cluster of little neighborhoods that constitute the old part of town. Most of the lanes in this part of the city are narrow and one can find many street vendors sell snacks on the sidewalk.

 * Pimpri Chinchwad is an upcoming township at the outskirts of the city. It is at a distance of 18 KM from Pune railway station. A proposal to call it "New Pune" was struck down due to a large number of controversies. With its quick access to Hinjewadi (IT hub of Pune) and Talawade (upcoming IT hub of Pune), most of the IT professionals prefer to stay in this area.

 * Shivaji Nagar also known as "Bhamburda" as per old city records, has a central bus stand and rail stop. The E-Square Multiplex is located here.

 * Viman Nagar is another part of Pune developing extremely quickly. It is mostly a residential area with a handful of good restaurants. Some IT companies have come up in this area recently due to the development of the Gigaspace IT Park.Phoenix Market City Pune ,Pune's Biggest Mall with Worlds Leading Brands and has one of best Food Courts in the city.

Removed "See" listings.
Removed see listings that I couldn't find addresses to or didn't fit as a "See". Also removed the listings/sections that are not in or very close to Pune. I might move those listings to a more appropriate section, but for now they shall chill here.

Beaches near Pune
Diveagar is among few beaches of konkan. It is approximately 160 km away from Pune. It takes around 4 hours to reach there from public transport, if you are taking your own ride then it will take around 3:30 hours. This is a very beautiful beach. It is a small village surrounded by greenery. It is better to go for two days (one night stay). Good veg and non veg food is available. Don't forget to have veg food of Mr Bapat. His speciality is Modak, a traditional Indian sweet coconut dumpling.

A nice place to stay at Diveagar is Ameya Cottage, which is located near to the Bus Stand.

 * Ameya Cottage. Mr N. L. Kelaskar, Ameya Cottage, Nr. Bust Stand, Shivaji Showk, Tel - +(91)-7798418133

Forts and trekking destinations near Pune

 * Bhimashankar
 * Harishchandragad
 * Lohgad
 * Naneghat
 * Purandar
 * Raigad
 * Rajgad
 * Sinhgad
 * Tikona
 * Tung
 * Visapur

Taxis
Pune's "By taxi" section covers Pune-to-Mumbai taxis. Getting to Mumbai is not an appropriate topic for the "Get in" section of this article, but would be relevant to Mumbai. So should we delete these listings, unless they specifically advertise Mumbai-to-Pune trips on their websites? If so, which sites do? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:06, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Mumbai to Pune taxis is a relevant as Pune airport has few international flights. Even flying from Frankfurt people may still fly to Mumbai then get a taxi. It is an interesting, if you are not too nervous a passenger, drive too. Maybe the section should be rephrased, but it is better to get a Pune driver to and from. --Traveler100 (talk) 08:35, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Mumbai to Pune is relevant to "Get in"; Pune to Mumbai is not relevant to this article, unless possibly the "Go next" section. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:16, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Sort of what I was trying to say. For get in I want a taxi from Mumbai, but even so I would order a driver from Pune to pick me up, not use a Mumbai taxi. Also chances are the traveller will want to return at some point to fly home. Just saying the information is valid, just the wording should be turned around. --Traveler100 (talk) 09:47, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Removed "Food" Listings
I am removing some of the "Food" Listings which are possibly non operational now. In case they are still operating and can be vouched please let me know and I can move them back. Thanks

Budget

 * Ande Ka Funda, Paud road. The only place for eggeterian. Serves 26 egg items.
 * Godbole's Suswaram (Kothrud, near bedekar Ganapati). Very good Maharashtrian snacks like Khichadi, pohe, vada pav, sheera. Also serves very good lunch.
 * Tawas and Tandoors(non-vegetarian), Has combos of chicken/mutton/fish curries and dal(lentils)+parathas;biryanis;tandoor snacks on offer at very reasonable prices.

—The preceding comment was added by Dprzvhar (talk • contribs)

Pimpri-Chinchwad
Pimpri-Chinchwad is a satellite town of Pune with its own municipality and it has 6 See/Do/Nearby listings. Since the Pune article is overcrowded, I'm going to split it into a separate city. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 17:04, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Recently added tour
has listed the following tour that I have removed following Wikivoyage's guide at WV:TOUR. I want to know the reason for its inclusion in this article.

-- Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 12:36, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear Sbb1413 went through the WV:TOUR guide lines. The tour is operated by the Pune University which obviously has a "real world" office with a phone number and address. It is a direct tour of the campus operated by the university. I don't think it violates the WV:TOUR guide lines. I would still request Ikan Kekek, Ground Zero, ShakespeareFan00, DaGizza to have a look and share their opinion. Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 15:31, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Is there a 'fee' or 'donation' requested for the curated walk? Is the tour something that cannot be done without a guide ?
 * I do not immediately see where this violates the guidelines, if it's an official tour run by the institution directly.
 * Naturally of course, Wikivoyage should be avoiding anythign that looks like touting for commercial operators.
 * ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:41, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It is a free tour. It can only be done under a guide as most of the area doesn't have public access. It is run by the institute for creating awareness and have no commercial value. Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 17:38, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Guidelines at Tour allow walking tours to be listed, regardless of what if any charge there is. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:30, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * So, shall get this back Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 03:16, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you all for inputs. The tour has been reinserted. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 05:08, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Pictogram-voting question.svg Question: why are you canvassing random users? -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 03:28, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear SHB2000  I was not aware of the canvassing. I will keep this in mind. BTW shall we get the Pune University tour back. Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 05:01, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Dear Sbb1413 since my post is not violiting the WV:TOUR guide lines can we get it back. Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 13:20, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Punjab (India)

"Call your near and dear ones first in case of an emergency rather than calling the police number." Huh? To say goodbye? Any ideas what this is meant to imply? --(WT-en) Inas 00:59, 17 November 2011 (EST)

 * Not sure what the original author meant, but the likeliness of familiar people close-by arriving earlier than the police (due to various reasons, e.g., corruption, bureaucracy) to help might be a reasonable explanation for that sentence. Or maybe because you might need witnesses to file a report? – (WT-en) Vidimian 05:43, 17 November 2011 (EST)

Content moved from the article
Hi, everyone. The "Nightlife" section seemed relevant to Chandigarh only, so I'm moving it here in case any of it might be useful to merge into the Chandigarh article:

Nightlife
Night life is exciting in some spots (non-existing in most parts); for example in Chandigarh although Chandigarh being a Union Territory, there are lots of Discos and Nightclubs. Almost all are for straight couples only, so singles might not be allowed in, other than free entry for girls and women on some occasions. Other than that, there are many shops and eat-in restaurants. Also, Night Food Street (NFS), a group of overnight food serving shops is operational (7PM to 8AM) on Gheri-Route, near DAV college, CHANDIGARH.

These lists of non-English-language newspapers are probably not that useful to most readers of these English-language articles, and Indian travellers would probably be able to find them easily, anyway:

Punjabi:

Hindi:
 * Ajit - Local daily published in Jallandher
 * Punjabi Tribune - Punjabi edition of The Tribune
 * Rozana Spokesman
 * Jag Bani
 * Chardikala

 * Dainik Bhaskar - National Hindi daily published from Chandigarh.
 * Amar Ujala - National Hindi daily published from Chandigarh.
 * Dainik Tribune - Hindi edition of The Tribune.

Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Cities list
There are currently 10 cities on the list, whereas there should be no more than 9. Which city on the list is least important and should be removed? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:07, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I nominate Barnala for removal because its "article" is a total embarrassment. However, I will wait for a day or two, in case anyone has other ideas. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:49, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Barnala has been deleted from the list, for the reasons cited above and at India Expedition/Punjab. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:18, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Outline
I downgraded the status of this article from Usable to Outline, for the following reason, taken from Region guide status:

Most of the linked city articles are in very bad shape, and not close to Usable status. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:55, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

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 * Jalandhar Bus Stand.JPG

 * Nonsensical deletion rationale. Contested, and IMO this nomination for deletion is quite unlikely to succeed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:13, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Punjab (Pakistan)

Cities
Time to slash the number of cities to nine? The original list is:

 * Lahore - the provincial capital, and Pakistan's cultural capital

--(WT-en) Wandering 22:23, 14 January 2008 (EST)
 * Bahawalpur - capital of the former Bahawalpur state
 * Chakwal
 * Dera Ghazi Khan
 * Faisalabad
 * Gujar Khan
 * Gujranwala
 * Islamabad
 * Jhelum
 * Mandi-Bahauddin - In the western side of Mandi-Bahauddin at the place of Khiwa, the famous and historical war " Battle of the Hydaspes River " between Raja Porus and Alexander The great, a Greece Invader have been fought.
 * Mianwali - home town of famous Pakistani cricket captain, Imran Khan Niazi
 * Multan
 * Murree - famous for its scenic beauty and a popular hill station
 * Rabwah - Head quarters Of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at.
 * Rahim Yar Khan
 * Rawalpindi
 * Sargodha - home of the main PAF base
 * Sheikhan
 * Sialkot - famous for its sports industry

 * Nicely slashed, but I'd argue that it's more a time to develop some sub-regions, so we don't orphan the destinations cut out. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:41, 14 January 2008 (EST)

Map
I'm working on the map for Punjab, it is officially divided into 36 districts, any suggestions in how many districts should I divide it into? --Saqib (talk) 20:04, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I've not spent too long in Punjab, so I'm no expert. However, I'd say: Islamabad and the north; Lahore and the east; and then Southern Punjab, which I haven't visited. As for the borders: I spent some time in a village near Jhelum, which I accessed from 'Pindi so for that reason alone, I'd draw that boundary with Jhelum included with Islamabad. As for the rest, I don't know.
 * There is a little inconsistency between the Punjab region article (which includes Islamabad) and the Pakistan regions map (which has the capital as a separate region). I favor redrawing the Pakistan regions map to include Islamabad in Punjab.Travelpleb (talk) 14:46, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Ideally the number of regions should not exceed nine, but it's not necessary to force that, if a different scheme makes more sense. 36 would be too much, though ;) --Peter Talk 16:39, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Too much indeed! :-) So usually, would you go for just a shorter list, basically coming up with random new sub-region lines, or would you go with something like north, south, east and west? JuliasTravels (talk) 20:55, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * What is sub-region lines? An example would be helpful. --Saqib (talk) 06:58, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, no official meaning, I just meant... dividing into districts ourself. If we're not going with the 36, we can either just go with north, west etc. (or something like that), or we would have to make a selection of districts but then we'd have to count the territory of the not-mentioned districts into one of those. I would say that's confusing, but I'm not sure what standard procedure is. Geographical hierarchy makes sense but doesn't give a lot of practical direction. Saqib, you seem to know this area best, which districts would you propose? JuliasTravels (talk) 11:59, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * What about creating region list based on this? --Saqib (talk) 12:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Did anyone notice my suggestion of three subregions?
 * North (inc. Islamabad)
 * East (inc. Lahore)
 * South
 * Travelpleb (talk) 14:27, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I would say Islamabad should be remain outside of Punjab. --Saqib (talk) 14:51, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I've started a new discussion about that at Talk:Islamabad. As for regions of Punjab, do you think three is suitable?Travelpleb (talk) 17:03, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I did notice :-) In principle, I'd say it's fine. The question is however if with a division in only 3 subregions we can maintain the 7 +-2 rule for cities in those articles? As it would be the lowest available region articles they would have a link to *every* city in it, and I'm not sure how many that would approximately be? JuliasTravels (talk) 11:13, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * That rule isn't a golden rule that absolutely must be followed. We should go with what makes sense for the traveller. There's been a lot of discussion about that rule and the conclusion is that it is a decent guide but emphatically not something that should lead to an unnecessary proliferation of unhelpful sub-regions. In this case, I think three sub-regions makes sense.Travelpleb (talk) 11:42, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh I'm not a great advocate of rules at all, and I don't mind exceeding the 9 number when that's useful. I'm just wondering what kind of lists we'd end up with. If there's *way* too many cities in say "east", that would mean we'd soon have to further divide in order to keep it readable. I have no idea of the number of cities, but with 90 million inhabitants (twice Spain! :-)) I imagine there might be many, and also many of interest to travellers. I'm just saying we should keep it in mind, and try to come up with a division that not only makes sense now but also works as Punjab city articles develop. JuliasTravels (talk) 12:16, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I would say lets divide Punjab region into North, East, South and West. Please suggest boundaries for each sub-region. --Saqib (talk) 18:34, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * There doesn't seem to be too many cities listed. See: or also try the newly developed map that shows the location of articles . It looks like there's not dozens and dozens of articles to contend with.
 * My reasoning for thee regions is this: one area will centre on the Rawalpindi and Islamabad, one are will centre on Lahore, the last area will catch Multan and the area away from the main Lahore - 'Pindi highway. I don't think any of the regions would be under- or over- populated with articles. I can't see how four regions would work. Please explain. Travelpleb (talk) 11:06, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, that list shows the articles we already have, but Wikivoyage is still missing a lot of major towns in this region. See this list for example, and that's major towns only, the smallest one with 40.000 people or so. If we want to make this division for the coming years, hoping the other cities will also get articles, I don't really think 3 or 4 regions would be enough? JuliasTravels (talk) 20:11, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 * You're right. 3 or 4 regions would not be enough thus I've created this: File:Punjab (Pakistan) regions.png. --Saqib (talk) 08:25, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

 * To come up with a well thought out region structure we should consider these two points:
 * How many articles would there be in each of those regions at today's levels?
 * Which cities that currently do not have articles do you think should have them? In which of the proposed regions would they be placed?
 * Understanding what our article distribution currently is and what we expect it to become is very important here. Travelpleb (talk) 11:02, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * To facilitate this I am going through all the articles and putting the Template:Geo so that we have latitude and longitude for easy map making. This is quite laborious, but when it's done we'll be able to have a good view of what we're dealing with. Then we can make an informed decision.Travelpleb (talk) 11:55, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Around four district articles would be allocated to each region and I think we don't need to have articles of the other cities at this point. --Saqib (talk) 16:47, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Any ideas about how to name those regions, Saqib? Agreed Travelpleb, that's vital. Good idea to add Geo-templates. Generally, I think all major cities should ideally, one day, have articles. And also perhaps a bunch of smaller towns which are of particular interest to travellers (because they have ruins of some sort, or a natural sight or something.) How many there are in Punjab, no idea :-) I'm guessing a division roughly in 9 or so sub-regions makes sense in terms of allowing space for Punjab articles to develop, but I wonder how we can name them.. JuliasTravels (talk) 17:24, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you should be conservative with your ideas for growth. There's articles in this region that have been stuck with just a single sentence for several years. Also, what counts as a major city? As for which smaller towns we should include, we should be doing some research so that we can make an intelligent decision. Travelpleb (talk) 17:49, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Ha, we'll never agree on that then ;-) In my book, we should never be conservative about facilitating growth! Seriously, I think a region like this just needs a local, or a traveller who's been there, to come along and get enthusiastic. And then things move fast - we've seen it before. We'll never know which regions will be happy enough to find such an advocate soon, but whenever we put work into defining regions, we should create possibilities. But well, that's just my take, I don;t really mind if it turns out differently. As far as major towns go: I have no particular number in mind. For me travel guides serve 2 main audiences. Voluntary travellers, who visit places because they want to see and experience things, and people who end up in a place for e.g. work or family, and need practical information and perhaps some ideas for some light sightseeing. As larger towns will have more of such visitors, even when not attracting tourists specifically, I guess we should strive to have at least usable guides for them. The wikipedia list seems a fair view of "major", don't you think? JuliasTravels (talk) 18:07, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * We can name regions as (I) Lahore Sheikhupura Region, (II) Bahawalpur Region, (III) D.G. Khan Region, (IV) Faisalabad Region (V) Gujranwala Region (VI) Multan Region (VII) Rawalpindi Region (VIII) Sahiwal Region, and (IX) Sargodha Region. --Saqib (talk) 18:35, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Saqib, we have not decided on the number of regions yet, so please curb your enthusiasm for your own suggestion.
 * No region structure can stop potential growth - articles are easy to create. But too many regions with too few articles can make a guide more difficult to use. I think the regions should reflect the situation as it is, not as it may be - it can always change to reflect any growth that does occur.
 * In fact, the proliferation of articles is a potential weakness in this region. This year, a slew of one-sentence wonders has been created but not subsequently worked on. This gives a false impression of the size of the region's content. Punjab currently has only a few articles of more than one sentence but if you look at the list of articles in Pubjab, it looks like there is significant content - in reality most Punjab articles are empty and unhelpful. We are then going to bloat the sub-region to hold these empty, useless articles. Travelpleb (talk) 18:48, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I would like to point out that someone has been creating subregion articles for this region. I added them to the article, but I don't think they necessarily reflect the direction this discussion is heading. Texugo (talk) 17:12, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Punjab enthusiasts love creating articles. It would be great if someone would be prepared to help exercise some editorial oversight.Travelpleb (talk) 07:48, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * How about expressing a specific opinion about them, please? Also, please have a look at my post at Talk:Pakistan. I think it would be good to develop a consensus before deciding whether to propose on Vfd to delete these new contributions wholesale. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:52, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Most of this Map discussion consists of various opinions about how to sub-divide Punjab, including my own (I even drew a picture to express simply my opinion). It would be great if you too put forth an opinion. Bear in mind a point I made in the Pub that many of the city articles are new, empty and possibly VfD-worthy.Travelpleb (talk) 09:45, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, I read through the discussions. So I'm gathering your suggestion would be to Vfd all the new division and district articles? This is an issue that goes beyond Punjab, as articles have been created for places in Kashmir, too. So I still think that there should be discussion in Talk:Pakistan, because right now, the discussion I started there involves only me, myself, and I, and that's not going to achieve a consensus. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:59, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd say dump them, yes.
 * I think Pakistan needs a massive overhaul from disinterested contributors; however it seems most editors either have too involved an interest, or are simply uninterested. We'd need to go through every article, assess whether it deserves to be included or deleted, figure out where worthy articles are on a map, and then sub-divide regions as necessary. That's a huge job that will suffer both from the pleas for inclusion by over-keen enthusiasts and the general lack of care from the wider crowd. Given all that, do you want to involved in a possible Project:Pakistan?Travelpleb (talk) 10:17, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've never been to Pakistan, so I fear I lack sufficient expertise to do more than copy edit. I'm also very busy, especially for the next week, and will be away for a good part of the summer. If there are specific ways I can nevertheless help, though, I'd be happy to. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:43, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm very sorry for being away for so long. Punjab is actually officially sub-devided into 9 divisions. I've created a region list here. --Saqib (talk) 21:48, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * There are, conveniently, 9 divisions. It seems intuitive to use them as regions, as currently shown in the article. However, I haven't ever been to the Pakistani part of the Punjab, so I give no expert opinion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Subregions for Punjab, Sindh, Azad Kashmir and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa provinces have been created and all the divisions are official and still exists. I'll start creating maps for these sub-regions once we reach a consensus on these subregions. --Saqib (talk) 13:39, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You have my support in anything you feel is best to do. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:29, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Ikan Kekek, can you please fill the region list colours correspondence to colours on the region map. --Saqib (talk) 15:22, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry I missed this request. I wouldn't have been sure how to do it and probably could have figured it out, but I'm glad you took care of it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:49, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Officially, provinces are divided into divisions, and those divisions are further divided into districts but here on WV, I've created divisions (as province sub-regions) and then, link them directly to district's capital city rather than district articles. Hope that's fine. --Saqib (talk) 08:59, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it's totally fine, until such time as there is so much to write about all these destinations that the official divisions are needed, which probably won't happen for the foreseeable future. Thank you so much for taking care of all of this! Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:07, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ikan, yes you're right. Btw, what do you think about this format?  --Saqib (talk) 09:17, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the format is fine. It would be great if there were more cities and towns in the map of Pakistani Punjab, though, and perhaps the map should be enlarged to make the place names more easily readable. I had to click on the map to see the name "Islamabad." Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:47, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem, do you want me to mention all the division capitals (total 9) on the map or only major cities of the province. I'll also upload the source files of the maps I've created yesterday on Commons later. --Saqib (talk) 09:49, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think if there's room to put the names of all 9 division capitals, that would be great. If there isn't room (for example, if some of the names overlap when you put them on the map), choose the cities you consider most important. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:18, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. --Saqib (talk) 12:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

It's coming along! I think the division names need to be somewhat bigger and easier to read, and the road paths would look nicer if they were about half as wide or less. Texugo (talk) 12:31, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * First of all, these are division's capital city names not division names, do you want me write names of divisions (for example: Lahore Division) rather than just Lahore? Second, do you mean to say that I should decrease the width size of roads? --Saqib (talk) 12:56, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see a dot on the map for each named city. I don't think you need to write the names of the divisions because the colors match those in the regionlist. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:00, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * City boundaries are already divided by lines. Wondering why would you need to see dots. --Saqib (talk) 13:14, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you mean the entire division is one city? If that's the case, why is there a black dot for the city of Lahore? Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:17, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)
 * I see. I misunderstood. Right, no need to write "division" on each one, but I would also like to see dots for where the city center is, since this is not an area of border-to-border urban development. For purposes of tourism it is easier to think of where the urban city centers are, rather than the administratively defined city boundaries which include loads of rural areas. Texugo (talk) 13:20, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Anything else? --Saqib (talk) 13:52, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for working on this. Sorry, I wasn't clear. I wouldn't want unlabelled dots there, just dots for the city centers of the ones you have labelled, and they could perhaps be smaller dots unless all these cities are close to the size of Lahore. Also, maybe it's just personal preference, but I think the road and river widths are still too wide, overwhelming the district borders and other features of the map. Texugo (talk) 14:25, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. I've uploaded the new map image with changes. I didn't decreased the size of dots as Lahore is marked with star as being capital city of the province. Btw, I guess Ikan was also said the same thing above "I'd like to see a dot on the map for each named city." Right? --Saqib (talk) 14:48, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it's starting to look mighty fine! If you do get back in there for some reason to make further improvements, or if you just feel like messing with it some more, you might consider
 * moving the distance key down slightly so it's not touching the top border
 * reducing the title font size by about 25-30%
 * extending roads and rivers to the edge of the map
 * seeing if you can't fit all the text in there horizontally instead of angled this way and that
 * Just some ideas. You're doing a great job! Texugo (talk) 15:02, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Do you think region discussion template from the article page should be remove now or not yet? --Saqib (talk) 15:29, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I suppose so, but you intend to make the region articles that include the cities in each one, right? And clean up the IsPartOf templates for the cities so they are under the districts? And after doing so, trim the list of cities on this page down to 9? Is that the plan? Texugo (talk) 16:08, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not creating any subregion articles for Punjab because of non-availbility of content. However, yes, IsPartOf should be clean up but I'm not sure whether to put the cities under their district or divisions and how to put them under district or division as district articles do not exist and divisions are redirect so IsPartOf template won't work until district or divisions articles created. --Saqib (talk) 16:19, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

I see. That makes sense. It might be nice to at least split the city list here into subsections by district then. That unbroken list of 54 cities is downright intimidating. And no, if we aren't creating district articles, then just leave the IsPartOf template for the cities pointed here. Texugo (talk) 17:37, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if splitting the city list is good idea. However, I've already listed other major towns located in a particular district on the district headquarters city article under "Go next" section. See this for an example. --Saqib (talk) 18:14, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * In keeping with our policy on long lists, we generally try to break up any list that gets into double digits. Texugo (talk) 20:46, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * City list is trimmed down to 7 now. I've listed the most populous cities of the province. --Saqib (talk) 20:59, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm going to remove the current region-list which I created last year. I've created new region-list for Sindh which is best from a traveller point of view and I'm going to do the same with Punjab. Even though Punjab is quite big but I'm going to divide it into only 2 sub-regions (South and North). If there're concerns, please raise them here before I add the new region-list. --Saqib (talk) 12:23, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

This appears to have been set aside for quite a while now. I see that Northern Punjab and Southern Punjab articles were created, but they were never links from here, and their cities/other destination lists have not been filled in. Are we still going forward with this split? Is there a map? Saqib? Texugo (talk) 23:00, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes Texugo, I'm fine with two sub-regions, Norther and Southern. I've created the map a long ago but actually there's not much content in articles and some city articles haven't even created yet so I didn't incorporated the region list into article and thought of leaving the things as it is for a while. --Saqib (talk) 20:45, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, but it's a nice map and it reflects how we have it divided for now. Let's get it in the article with the links to the respective 2 region pages. I can fill in the cities sections... Texugo (talk) 20:51, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Feel free to add it otherwise I'll try to do it myself in few days.--Saqib (talk) 20:55, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

How to handle empty articles?
As part of the ongoing discussion about assigning sub-regions to Punjab (Pakistan), it has come to light that the region contains a great many empty articles (e.g. X is in Punjab (Pakistan). - then that's it). These articles are part of the reason why the sub-regions are being created in the first place. However, it seems somewhat odd to create a region structure for these empty, useless articles.

I don't think it would be helpful to have a plethora of sub-regions, with many of them only containing these dud pages.

Is there a policy or a precedent concerning this? Do we ignore the dud pages and create a hierarchy based on the articles that stand some chance of being used or do we incorporate them into the structure, giving them equal regard to their more fledged peers in the probably misplaced hope that they'll grow?

Also more opinions are always welcome on the Talk:Punjab (Pakistan) itself.Travelpleb (talk) 19:00, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

 * There has been some overzealous article creation for that part of the world in the past, potentially done for political reasons, so if an effort is being made to clean things up then redirecting any stub articles should be fine. -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:10, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

 * That would also involve trammeling the er... hard work of one of the interlocutors in the regions discussion, something which I'd not feel comfortable doing without more than a little support. Travelpleb (talk) 19:21, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

 * On a related note, there was a discussion about deleting and possibly recreating our content-less outlines to get a fresh, Wikimedia-only history. If the articles in question were created pre-migration, let me know, as I'd like to do that. On a more related note, I don't think it's always worth subdividing regions, even if they have more than 9 cities in the list. If another subdivision would make things more convoluted/not help the traveler, then it's better to just subdivide the list itself (example). --Peter Talk 20:02, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict)
 * Especially if there are no unique things to say about each of the proposed subregions. Then you just get stuck with additional blank region articles, or people duplicating the same information in each of them, which is generally a no-no. Texugo (talk) 20:21, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Peter, please let your opinions on sub-divisions be known at Talk:Punjab (Pakistan). As for the empty articles, most were created post-migration but I think there will be some for you.Travelpleb (talk) 20:15, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

 * All very well in cases where there's nothing to add or expect. However, I don't see the point of deleting here, and I don't really see any political motivation: most are just created in an enthusiastic effort to cover the Punjab region. For good reason: it's home to half of the population of Pakistan, has a rich history and plenty of potential, even when current situations might not make it the most popular of destinations :-) It's too early to claim that these articles will not be developed, as many have been created very recently and most are large cities. I've gone ahead and added some basic info to some of those articles, User:Saqib is actively working on this region too. To be honest, I think it would be far more helpful if more people (with more experience in creating sub-regions) would join that discussion there, instead of such general negative remarks and hints to mass deletion here in the pub. In any case, if anyone feels these big Pakistani city articles should be deleted, I'd say follow the normal procedures for that :-( JuliasTravels (talk) 20:36, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Just to clarify my comments, in the past there were a huge number of articles created covering areas disputed by India and Pakistan, and we finally began deleting them on sight as it was clear that the only point in their creation had been for the purpose of saying "X is in Pakistan" (as opposed to India) - that comment was not meant to apply to any recent efforts, although many of those articles are still around. Similarly, in the past when large numbers of region articles have been created that didn't improve the utility of our guides, such as creating stubs for every county in a region or every political subdivision in an area, we have generally redirected those articles rather than trying to rearrange or sub-divide existing hierarchies to fit these newly-created stubs - again, that may or may not be relevant in the current situation.  Beyond pointing out how such discussions have been resolved in the past I don't have any local knowledge that would be of much relevance to a discussion of organizing the Punjab region. -- Ryan • (talk) • 20:48, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

 * I also don't feel that I know enough about Punjab to comment on the particulars of subdividing, beyond that I know it's one of the most touristic regions of the country, and I presume it could have a significant amount of content some day, if not yet. --Peter Talk 21:26, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

 * How about cases where all those empty articles could only be expanded to have 3 listings or so, as that is all that physically exists? I've had that issue at Bangladesh, which is why I created smaller sub-districts that cover sections of the countryside, and encompass all of those tiny villages that might have one attraction or one guesthouse and that's about it. Pakistan could be a similar situation, but I'm no expert. JamesA  >talk 01:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, that's a fine solution for rural areas with villages, and I guess it applies to many countries, rural Pakistan too. We're not by far at that point yet though, what we're talking about and creating is only the list of major towns (>40.000 people, most >100.000). And there are a lot of those in Punjab. Listings are hard to create for non-locals because information in English online is limited, but it's not at all as if these articles can't be expanded. The question of how to subdivide remains very hard though, as none of us except User:Saqib know the region. I don't feel for many empty region articles either, so perhaps it would make sense (for now) to stick with just a rough north-south-east division or something, and just have longer city lists in those. That's the more general (non-expert) discussion we're trying to have, so even your non-expert opinions are welcome there ;-) JuliasTravels (talk) 06:55, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I've no knowledge on creating sub-regions so I wouldn't comment whether Punjab should be sub-divided or not. However, I've divided the Punjab region according to . And I strongly agree with JuliasTravels, major cities of Punjab shouldn't be deleted. Many of them hold good potential to at-least become guide article one day. --Saqib (talk) 08:08, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm all for creating articles for less obvious places, I've made a few myself, but I always try to add something useful to each one in an attempt to plant a meaningful seed for future growth. These one-sentence wonders don't really seem to going in that direction - many are only days old, but also many are months and even years old. Anyone with the internet can gather more information than X is here. For example, not only have I sourced coordinates for each and every one of these probably-but-possibly-not no-hopers, I've made sure that the coordinates are correct and updated the relevant Wikipedia pages in the all too often cases of error.
 * In the course of gathering all that information I've browsed each town's Wikipedia page, and for the most part our larger and more established sister does not have much to say about these places. I don't want to be too much of a wet blanket, but we're not going to get a remotely useful guide for off the beaten track Pakistani Punjab any time soon.
 * But importantly, we don't want to stifle the possibility of growth in this area however remote it seems. It's this conflict of useless stubs clogging up a hierarchy in the hope of growth that is causing the problem.
 * I'm inclined to agree with JuliasTravels - the Punjab question is a general discussion about the guide's structure rather than one that requires expert field knowledge. I say: yes, keep the stub articles but only consider the handful of more substantial articles when deciding on sub-regions. Therefore each sub-region will be a usable nucleus with the potential for growth intact. If these sub-regions have longs list of mainly stubs, then no big deal.Travelpleb (talk) 08:14, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

 * When I see 27 empty articles, and nobody can even say what they are about (e.g., write a single paragraph explaining why to go and what to see), I argue for an immediate deletion, because tons of stub articles make Wikivoyage look like a collection of stubs. It is a dark spot on the reputation. Same applies to unnecessary or excessive sub-regions. --Alexander (talk) 09:36, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

 * One might argue that such completely useless articles are one of the exceptions, but the general policy is "if it is a real place, redirect rather than delete. Major attractions and geographical areas can and should be redirected". I think that applies here.

 * Consider a visitor who wants to meet his Pakistani friend's family in their rather obscure hometown or look at some relatively unknown place where his great-grandfather was posted during the Raj. We may never have an article on those places, but a redirect will help find them. Pashley (talk) 13:16, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Free Wi-Fi
It has been reported that free public Wi-Fi is being introduced across the region. Surely, worth to add here but only once the service starts. Posting this here for record so we may remember it. --Saqib (talk) 17:46, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Which 9 "Cities"?
Per 7+2, non-bottom region articles should list no more than 9 "Cities". Here's the current list:

 * — the capital of Pakistan
 * — the provincial capital, and Pakistan's cultural capital
 * — home to one of the few natural safari parks in Pakistan, Lal Suhanra National Park
 * — a textile hub of Pakistan
 * - Holy place of Sikhism
 * — the city of wrestlers, also known for its electrical, ceramics and textile industry
 * — a must stop for tourists, most famous for its wonderful mangoes, friendly people and pottery, also lots of tombs and beautiful mosques
 * — military headquarters
 * — home of the main Pakistan Air Force base
 * — famous for its sports and leather industry

Which two should be removed? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:22, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Wah Cantt has no points of interest listed, so it can go. Gujranwala has only a park, a business centre, and a cinema listed -- not much for a visitor. (I have no direct knowledge of Punjab, but as there has been no response from anyone else, I looked at the articles to determine what would be most useful for readers.) Ground Zero (talk) 21:36, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. Ground Zero (talk) 16:39, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Punjabi phrasebook

Two scripts
This article needs phrases in the Arabic and Devanagari scripts. I reccomend Omniglot; type that on your search box. – (WT-en) CurvyEthyl 22:30, 8 October 2010 (EDT)

One Punjabi phrasebook?
I do not like the title "Indian Punjabi phrasebook" and want to move the article to just "Punjabi phrasebook". Even for Hindi and Urdu, there's a case to be made for a single phrasebook though I'd say it fails. For Punjabi, I'd say it obviously succeeds.

I realise the two scripts pose a problem but I do not think that is remarkably important in a travellers' phrasebook. A typical traveller need not read or write except for recognising a few critical words like "toilet" or "bank"; we can give those in both scripts. For most phrasebook expressions, giving either written form would be just an unnecessary complication. Pashley (talk) 19:20, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

 * This seems unimpeachably logical. Does anyone have a contrary point of view? If so, let's please hear it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:16, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

 * The main problem is that 'Indian Punjabi' isn't actually a thing. There are a lot of different dialects which are not neatly separated by the border between India and Pakistan. Punjabi_dialects
 * I have no expert suggestion how to deal with the dialects, although combining them all into one Punjabi phrasebook would likely serve the traveller best --Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:25, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Pinging User:Saqib. I'm not sure if you know Punjabi (although it is a major language in Pakistan). Do you have a view on this? Andrewssi2 (talk) 03:45, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Well I'm actually a Punjabi so Punjabi language is my mother tongue. Punjabi has the same case as of Urdu or Hindi. Different script but spoken wise quite same except some different of vocabulary. In this case, I would say lets move this one to "Punjabi phrasebook" and keep only one phrasebook of Punjabi. I'm sure one would be more than enough because a traveller travelling to Punjab (Indian or Pakistani) do not really need to rely on Punjabi since they can survive with Urdu in Pakistani Punjab and Hindi in Indian Punjab. --Saqib (talk) 04:54, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Puno

I thinks it's better to leave it this way instead of making a disam page because of a little known region. People searching for Puno are almost certainly searching for the city.

 * What about the isIn - should that be isIn|Puno_(region) - ?
 * Puno_(region) -> Peru -> South_America
 * Lake_Titicaca -> Altiplano -> Andes -> South_America

 * I would prefer something like Lake_Titicaca -> Peru -> South_America.
 * But the problem is that Lake Titicaca also belongs to Bolivia -- (WT-en) Ronald 14:59, 17 March 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Puno (region)

Isn't Puno also a City in Puno (region)?

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Talk:Punta Bulata

Merge?
Agreed. Shifted all applicable info to Negros Occidental. Am now vfd-ing.-- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 06:20, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Punta Cana

Moved External Links to discussion page: see Where did the "External links" sections go?' 20:27, 24 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Caribbean Travel Tips.
 * Grand Palladium Bavaro Video, Review, Pictures(WT-en) SHC
 * punta cana excursions.

pic of segway?
shouldnt it be better placed just looks sloppy and it could also be not in free use by wikimedia? any ideas? --71.254.102.220 15:19, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

Information of real estate companies
Hello I have added information about 2 real estate companies that I have used and would like to recommend here, also I use this page to remember the business contacts. Do you think it will be favorable to the users to add this information?

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Talk:Punta Carnero

Rolexdaytona i think that the top link is o.k. to take out

can we remove this...

This article or section does not match our manual of style or needs other editing. Please plunge forward, give it your attention and help it improve! Suggested fixes: None specified. Please use the article's talk page to ask questions if you are not sure why this tag was added and whether it is safe to remove it.

i would like to remove the above link and think there are tons of informacion and the format fits wikivoyage!!! wikivoyage is FANTASTIC!!

("(WT-en) Rolexdaytona 00:21, 25 August 2011 (EDT)")

 * No, it's not OK to take that out, and please read your user "Talk" file. The short version is, please do not keep overriding the standard template I've reinserted for the third time. Also, for example, you can't realistically have reforestation as an activity for travelers, unless you can specify a way (other than contributing money) to participate in it. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 05:04, 25 August 2011 (EDT)

("(WT-en) Rolexdaytona 08:38, 25 August 2011 (EDT)")

well i am working on it, ( i love this beach, it is a fantastic place to surf, totally underdelevoped ....the page is getting stronger, i appreciate your advise, and will keep working on it with the format! thanks a million for the imput (WT-en) Ikan Kekek  have a nice day

 * You're very welcome. Thanks for putting in the content and for having such a great attitude! :-)

 * (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 05:35, 26 August 2011 (EDT)

Images
Image use in this article is a bit excessive, and some of them violate our policy against depicting recognizable people (the two worst images I've marked as 'Ignore' on WTS). LtPowers (talk) 00:16, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Punta Gorda (Belize)

The bit about the Belize Bank only allowing US$50 withdrawal sounds suspicious ... That's certainly not been my experience. —The preceding comment was added by 65.31.139.44 (talk • contribs)

This has not been my experience either: I regularly withdraw US$250 from Belize Bank, using a bank card from the States. —The preceding comment was added by 66.82.162.12 (talk • contribs)

 * Please update the article with correct info. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:22, 12 May 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Purhump

I cannot find any place in Nevada called Purhump. Is this really Pahrump? If so all the content should be merged into that article.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:44, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

 * My bad, I didn't notice the misspelling. Yes, it's Pahrump.  The existing article is just an outline, so I'll move & delete rather than merge to keep the history. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:14, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Puri

"A cycle rickshaw is in the range of ₹520"
I'm just going to assume this is false and remove it. you can buy a lot of samosa with 520 rupees, someone got ripped off. —The preceding comment was added by 182.70.216.20 (talk • contribs)

 * Thanks a lot. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:10, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Puri heavily damaged in cyclone
There should be some kind of note here and also in the Odisha guide: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48160096 Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:28, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Purmamarca

This title is not correct, the town is called Purmamarca

 * Verified (via Google) and fixed (via move/redirect), per policy on misspellings. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:53, 3 May 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Purnululu National Park

article based on text I wrote for wikipedia (WT-en) Tiles 22:46, 9 Aug 2003 (PDT)

A useful link for improving this page
Some links for future reference

 * https://parks.dpaw.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/downloads/parks/2019_459%20WEB%20VERSION%20Purnululu%20NP%20brochure.pdf
 * https://parks.dpaw.wa.gov.au/park/purnululu

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Talk:Pushkinskiye Gory

I am confused. Is this an article about a museum (as the introduction implies) or a town? If the former, then it should not exist at all. If the latter then it is using the wrong template.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:52, 18 June 2011 (EDT)

 * First, it can be considered both quite easily, since both the town and museum share the same name. Second, "museum" is a loose term here—think "museum-reserve" (if that makes any sense—this might be a Russian concept). The official name, translated literally, is "State Historical-Literary Memorial and Nature-Landscape Museum-Reserve." The abstracted "museum" covers a large rural area, with the important sites being too far away from each other to walk. I think the way things are being grouped into this article makes sense. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:25, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

 * Thanks Peter for the clarification. Does the park template make sense or should it be using small city? --(WT-en) Burmesedays 03:05, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

title: Talk:Pushkinskiye Gory