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Talk:Hyderabad

Districts Again
This city really needs districtification. Here is what I propose:
 * Old city
 * Hussain Sagar Lake (i.e. region around it)
 * Jubilee Hills and Banjara Hills
 * Cyberabad
 * North Hyderabad
 * Secundarabad
 * East Hyderabad

Ravikiran (talk) 18:01, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Nice to see you around, Ravikiran. In case others don't express a view within a day or so, my feeling is that since you know the city, if you're up to defining the borders of all the districts and starting the articles for them, go ahead. Saqib is great at making static maps of districts when time allows, if you would like to use those. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:09, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Although bit busy these days but yes, will surely create a map if I get the base image or at-least the borders of districts. --Saqib (talk) 14:37, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Firstly, may I congratulate you on making one of the better looking Indian articles.

 * Secondly, I doubt you'll have enough "See" and "Do" for some of the districts to make either a successful districtification or for it to be strictly necessary - but I'd love to be proved wrong... BushelCandle (talk) 14:59, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

 * Ravikiran lives in Hyderabad. If he believes there will be enough listings for each district, I would tend to trust his judgment. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:27, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

 * I'm also inclined to trust his judgment but I note that it is over a year since the posts above & every district except "old city" is still a red link. Ravikiran, are you around? Can anyone else help? Pashley (talk) 02:23, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

 * Ravikiran, would you like to follow up on this? Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:06, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Another problem is that "Old City" contains not a single listing besides its "get in" section... Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:44, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Removed content from listing
This was mentioned in the Hussain Sagar Lake listing, but doesn't belong there. Most of it is mentioned elsewhere in the article, but maybe it might be useful and I didn't just want to delete it.

Sights: Pakistan M47 Patton Tank, An 18-metre high statue of Gautama Buddha, Lumbini Park, Birla Mandir Hindu temple, Sanjeevaiah Park public green space, Prasad's IMAX multiplex movie theater, NTR Gardens is a small urban park, Sayedani Maa Tomb at the north end of Tank Bund, Secretariat buildings, Hyderabad Boat Club on the southern side, Secunderabad Sailing Club, Hotel Marriott on the northern side and Raj Bhavan on the western bank

Xsobev (talk) 00:52, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Abandon districtification for the time being?
Given the rather sorry state of the one district article that was created and the fact that the others have sat as redlinks for two years, should districtification be put off and abandoned at this point? Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:45, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, IMO halfway made stuff like this makes our guides less helpful to the traveler and it doesn't look particularly nice either. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:55, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * any input? Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:26, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I would also abandon districtification for now and focus updating/polishing the main one-page article. Especially adding geo coordinates to all the listings (and some details to their content part) would be very useful and will make a possible future districtification much easier. Xsobev (talk) 15:59, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Hyderabad, India [districts]
I've been working on the Hyderabad article. The current obstacle to further progress is the districts. The exact district boundaries are unclear, and there are also large areas that seem to not be in any district - see here. I asked the person who originally made the districts, but he doesn't seem to be active anymore. Does anyone have local knowledge who could help out here? Ar2332 (talk) 10:34, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

 * That's a real problem. It's really too bad User:Ravikiran r has been gone since May - hopefully, life intervened in a good way. I hope someone can help. If not, you could try posting to w:Talk:Hyderabad and see if that might rustle up anyone who's interested. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:40, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

 * Thanks for raising the problem here. After some searching I found the following lists and maps: List of Hyderabad Corporation wards. They might help in defining the boundaries of each of the districts for our purposes. Xsobev (talk) 15:00, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, those boundaries don't correspond to the Hyderabad boundary on OpenStreetMap (or the one on Google Maps), and also don't seem to be helpful to the traveler (natural destinations are split between zones). So I think it better not to use those. Ar2332 (talk) 21:18, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

 * It seems that the Hyderabad page meets most of the "don'ts" regarding districtification: Geographical_hierarchy. I think it would be best (for the traveler) at the moment to revert the distrification and merge all the district pages back into the main page until we have at least a "comprehensive districts hierarchy for the city, which has no gaps, no overlap". However, I don't want to see your time and effort being wasted, so reverting should take the district page information into account (for example according to the suggestion: "to breed content for a district(s), you can create a subsection for that district(s) in the respective section (See, Do, Eat, Sleep) in the main city article"). I'm also open to any other proposals ... Xsobev (talk) 11:56, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

 * Has this ever been resolved? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:39, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

 * I haven't followed the development of this article in a long while, but I quickly checked now and it seems it hasn't yet been resolved. I think the "wards" I mentioned earlier might help in defining district boundaries, since they seem to be small enough so that they can be grouped together flexibly. I quickly checked on Openstreetmap, and they seem to be mapped there. Unfortunately they don't have wikidata items yet, so we can't immediately use our magic mapshape template with wikidata parameter to create a dynamic map with district boundaries. My other points mentioned above also still hold I think. Xsobev (talk) 08:53, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

This was never resolved. Until 2012 there was a set of districts defined, which I just discovered. To be honest, I would like to go back to this with minor-to-moderate changes. It fits the official city boundaries, and entirely covers the area within those boundaries.

Looking over past discussions and doing a bit more research online, I would like to make the following changes to the 2012 districts: Ar2332 (talk) 08:41, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Old City becomes a new district, carved out of "South", from the area between the river and the train tracks
 * New City becomes a new district, carved out of "Central", on the north side of the river, approximately equal in area to Old City.
 * North Zone includes Secunderabad (even though it's technically separate from Hyderabad) and the combined article is named "North and Secunderabad" or similar.
 * I've begun redistrictifying. The "Central" article will include the entire Central Zone. Someone later with local knowledge is welcome to divide it up into several articles should they desire. Ar2332 (talk) 14:06, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

 * Excellent. Thank you. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:04, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

MMTS stations
I deleted the list of MMTS (commuter rail) stops. The stops can be seen on the map, and the tracks are drawn as a prominent black line. So the only information that is being deleted is the list of destinations adjacent to each stops. This list consists mostly of obscure sites that seem unlikely to interest the tourist. The sites of importance already (generally) have map coordinates, and it's easy to see from the map which station is close by (as well as exact directions). So I am deleting the list. If anyone wants to use it as an information source in the future, here it is.

Same way to Begumpet, further

Merge?
A lot of the districts are at outline status. We should perhaps merge the Old City and the south, and separately merge Secunderabad and North Hyderabad. Just a thought. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 00:12, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

 * I will work on Hyderabad this month. For a city with an eventful history, metro area of 7,100 km2 (2,700 sq mi) and population of over 10 million, 7 districts is not a lot. Gizza ( roam ) 02:20, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

 * Oh, okay. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 02:58, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm against merging Old City and South, but might support merging Secunderabad and North Hyderabad. They are geographically intertwined and have a small total number of attractions. Ar2332 (talk) 07:04, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

 * Yes, I can understand why merging historic and newer town regions might not be the best idea for the tourist. Thanks for your feedback, though. Could you expand a little on "might support". For example, are there any problems with merging Secunderabad and North Hyderabad? All the best, --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 19:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * They are technically different municipalities, so it might be a bad idea to combine them while one of the municipalities is itself split into multiple pages. Ar2332 (talk) 06:24, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I see. Well, it would be useful if I could get a clear "support" or "oppose" from either Gizza  or Ar2332, or even both of you, so I can know whether or not I should move forward with merging Secunderabad and North Hyderabad. Thanks for your input so far, though, and maybe you would be interested in my merge proposal for Ahmedabad as well. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk  about my contributions ) 22:12, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * If one more person votes "support", I will go along with them. Otherwise no. Ar2332 (talk) 19:12, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Changed my mind. I am now a "yes" and I made the change. Ar2332 (talk) 15:18, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * This merger between North Hyderabad and Secunderabad wasn't a good idea. The two areas are very different. Unless anyone has strong objections, I am going to undo the merger when I get to it. Ravikiran (talk) 02:11, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Nehru ORR Route Map
It might be a good idea to insert the route map found at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Ring_Road,_Hyderabad in the Get around section of this page, but I am not sure how to do it. Any help would be appreciated! Ravikiran (talk) 02:16, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know, because that seems to be on Wikipedia only, not Commons. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:44, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah. It seems to be a lot more complicated than a simple image see: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Outer_Ring_Road,_Hyderabad&action=edit&section=2#editform

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion
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 * Hyderbad Metro Network map.jpg
 * This map is literally copied from the ltmetro site. I don't see how it can be argued to be free to copy. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:53, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ??? How did that image even pass the licence reviewers? I would argue to speedy delete that image SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:10, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * What's the evidence that anyone had reviewed its license? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:19, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There was no "mark as patrolled" button for that image. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:22, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Is there usually? For "license reviewers"? I didn't know about them. And there are no ways such a map could end up as PD in India? –LPfi (talk) 10:30, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but presumably not on a page with "copyright, all rights reserved" on the bottom. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:54, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * OK. I didn't see the image or its description before it was deleted. –LPfi (talk) 12:09, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Hospitals to districts?
A movetodistrict was added to the Hospitals section. Is that wise? If you need a hospital, I think you should be ready to travel to another district to visit it – and you shouldn't need to read all district articles to find the one that is best for your case. Conversely, the hospitals should be described in a way that allows an informed choice, and there is no need to list several hospitals that serve the same function. I wonder whether the current listings are mostly touting of the hospitals listed. I have a hard time imagining the traveller who on a visit realizes they need to visit a cancer hospital – and if they travel for that need, they need to know the hospital to search for it in this (or a district!) article. —The preceding comment was added by LPfi (talk • contribs) 07:19, May 23, 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm usually skeptical of such listings. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:09, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree – hospitals should go in the main article, not in individual district articles. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 12:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

 * per nom. I already had listed hospitals district-wise in Kolkata. If the consensus is to list hospitals in the main article, it should be mentioned somewhere else. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 04:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Hydra

Most commonly used name
What would people think of changing the island's name everywhere to "Idhra?" "Hydra" is no longer standard in English: looking over major guidebooks I see in one of them "Hydra," in another, "Ydra," and in another "Idhra." This last form best represents in English what the name really is. Maybe a cross reference to "Hydra" could be somehow put in. (WT-en) Sailsetter 11:41, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

 * I think Hydra is still the most commonly used name in the English language, and it is our policy to name articles accordingly. Both wikipedia & the island's official English-language site use "Hydra" and I got the following English-restricted google search results, even controlling for the term "monster":

 * Hydra Greece -monster — 422,000
 * Idhra Greece — 948
 * Ydra Greece — 67,900
 * Idra Greece — 39,500

 * In any rate, if multiple names are in use, it's best to list those in the introductory blurb, as well as to create redirect articles for the less-commonly used variants. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:38, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

 * Having been there last year, I can confirm that "Hydra" is far and away the most common name in English, with Ydra a distant second. You're more than welcome to propose guidelines at Project:Romanization for handling Greek names, as this is not the first time we've had discussions like this. (WT-en) Jpatokal 15:00, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

In view of the above discussion, I've made the following changes at the beginning of this section:

 * put in alternative spellings of the name in a parenthesis
 * given the Greek pronunciation (might be useful sometimes in Greece, and explains why it's sometimes spelled Idhra)
 * removed the name in Greek characters. I actually like the idea of including place names in Greek, but it isn't on any of the other pages I looked at, and it should be done everywhere or nowhere, so I took it out here.
 * altered the URL so it points directly to the English version of the page.

On this last point I'm not sure that URL should remain. The page has the appearance of being an officially backed tourist page, but it nowhere (so far as I could see) specifically says so, and I didn't think it was very useful. I find much more useful the page at http://www.hydradirect.com, but that seems to be a semi-official amateur-run page, and I'm not sure linking to it would be within policy. (WT-en) Sailsetter 10:55, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

I'll make cross references from the alternate spellings if I ever figure out how to do it; if someone who knows wants to do it now, please go ahead. (WT-en) Sailsetter 11:10, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

 * I see now that in removing the Greek characters (see above) I may not have been in compliance with Wikivoyage policy. But there seems to be a great deal of inconsistency in this and I think the policy needs to be discussed, so I'll leave the change for now.  If anyone wants to add the Greek script back, go ahead. (WT-en) Sailsetter 19:00, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

 * I've restored the Greek characters, it's always good to have the local spelling. Many (most?) of our Greece articles are a mess, so please don't take too much guidance from them... (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:11, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Hythe (Hampshire)

Hythe
The village of Hythe lies in a pivotal position on the western shore of Southampton Water abutting the New Forest. In the area now known as the Waterside, Hythe is the central village of numerous small communities now vastly expanded by dormitory housing serving the petrochemical industries in the Waterside as well as the City of Southampton. Hythe with its sister communities of Dibden and Dibden Purlieu are now part of the Parish of Hythe and Dibden but until 1913 Hythe was a detached part of Fawley Parish completely surrounded by Dibden Parish.

A HISTORY STEEPED IN SHIPPING AND SHIPBUILDING A Hyth in Old English was a hard, permanent, landing place on a river or sheltered estuary and the position of Hythe clearly fits that description. It is possible that the name was in use as early as the sixth century AD but the first recorded use of the name dates from 1293. In a Parliamentary Roll of that year it is recorded that: The "All Saints" of Hethe juxta Novam Forestam was wrecked and plundered on the Cornish Coast while carrying a cargo of wine from La Rochelle".

The villagers of Hythe were occupied in a mixture of agriculture, fishing and ferrying. During the Middle Ages the size of vessels visiting Southampton increased to such an extent that they could not land their cargoes directly onto the quays. They anchored in the river and the boatmen of Hythe acted as lightermen, transferring the goods from ship to quay. By an act of good fortune or perhaps through careful planning the manor of Dibden was part of a larger manorial holding which included the Town of Wallingford on the River Thames. Wallingford and Southampton had a reciprocal agreement and did not charge each other taxes on goods which passed between the two towns. Those men of Hythe who came under the jurisdiction of the Manor of Dibden were thus able to land goods in Southampton free of tax. This ensured that Hythe and Dibden flourished with a significant number of boatmen trading in their own right until the rights of the "Honour of Wallingford" were extinguished in the 16th Century.

The first mention of a regular ferry occurs when the name Hitheferye appears on Saxton's map of Hampshire in 1575, though clearly the passage had probably been manned since the village was founded.

In 1588 one of the boatmen of Hythe; John Holforde, was commissioned to take a shipload of gunpowder, shot and matches from Southampton out to the Ark Royal; Lord Howard of Effingham’s flagship, during the pursuit of the Spanish Armada. It is uncertain what effect the Civil War had on Hythe but the village did receive some shots from a Parliamentary gunboat while Southampton’s allegiance was in doubt.

By the late 1750s Hythe already had a thriving shipbuilding yard run by George Wadmore. Positioned on the southern edge of the village in what is now Shore Road it had good access to Southampton Water and had a dry dock as well as several slipways. George’s cousin John Wadmore inherited the business and his two daughters married shipwrights who carried on the family business. John’s three grandson’s William, Mark & John Richards continued the family tradition and built small vessels for the Royal Navy during the Napoleonic Period. The shipyard continued in various ownership’s and intensities until it was bought in 1927 by Hubert Scott-Paine. After a major reconstruction of the yard he founded a company for the construction of a revolutionary design of power boats. The British Power Boat Company as it was known built initially for the private market but the designs were soon taken up by all three armed services. Hythe became the home of the "little ships" of the Royal Navy, the Motor Torpedo Boats and the RAF Air/Sea Rescue Boats of World War II. With the successful conclusion of the War there was no need for further military vessels to be built and with no civilian market at that time the yard was forced to close thus bringing to an end over two hundred years of shipbuilding on the site.

The Royal Navy Beach Commandos who were trained for the task of making the Normandy beaches safe for the D-Day landings were based on what is now the Ewart Recreation Ground in Jones Lane prior to their sailing. Also in 1944 King George VI visited Hythe in great secrecy just before D-Day. He rode on the Pier train and a commemoration plaque was placed in the carriage soon afterwards. Unfortunately it was removed by a person or persons unknown.

In 1960, The Hovercraft Development Company and Sir Christopher Cockerel, its founder, moved to Hythe. While the original concept and prototype were designed and built in East Anglia it was from its base at the Grove, in St. John’s Street, that basic designs were refined which culminated in the first cross-Channel hover-ferry in 1966.

HYTHE PIER Before Hythe Pier was built, ferry and other boats landing at Hythe used a gravel hard which ran from the land in front of what is now the Drummond Arms out to the low tide point in Southampton Water. Walking along the hard was not easy and travellers often got very wet. Various ideas to improve the situation were suggested and finally construction of the Hythe Pier was started in October 1879. It was opened with considerable ceremony on 1st January 1881. At 2,100 feet (640 metres), this nineteenth century iron pier is one of the ten longest piers in the British Isles. In 1909 tracks were laid for use by hand-propelled trolleys to carry goods and luggage. In 1922 a narrow gauge electric railway opened to take passengers the full length of the Pier. This railway with its original engine and rolling stock is still operational today and an important part of the local transport system to Southampton.

ST JOHNS CHURCH Until 1823 Anglican worshippers in Hythe had to travel to the mother church of the Parish in Fawley or to the church in Dibden. In that year a small chapel was built to serve the local congregation. Accessed from St. John’s Street, it was initially manned by a curate with Hythe not becoming a parish in its own right until 1841. The chapel was really too small for the whole of the new parish and at the first opportunity a new church was built to the rear of the old chapel but now facing into New Road. Consecrated in 1874, the church still provides an impressive backdrop as you enter the village from the south. (WT-en) Nzpcmad 23:37, 3 October 2004 (UTC)

A little help please
Hi! I have created three new pages Holbury, Fawley and Calshot. However, I do not believe that these pages are up to scratch. Can I have a hand updating them and improving them please? 82.3.185.12 09:38, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * They're little stubs. Please read What is an article and have a look at Small city article template. Do any of them have enough attractions of any kind that are interesting enough for them to merit their own article? This travel guide is different from Wikipedia, which as an encyclopedia covers any village, regardless of whether it's of any significance or interest to visitors. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:40, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, they are important otherwise I wouldn't have created them. two of them have the largest oil refinery in the uk, and the other one has a very famous beach. 82.3.185.12 09:47, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You're probably the best person to expand these articles. I haven't even heard of these places. If you can add information about what to see and do there, where you eat and where to stay, we can help with things like linking and formatting. Welcome to Wikivoyage Ground Zero (talk) 11:26, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Does the oil refinery have a visitor centre? Can travellers go on tours of the site? Otherwise it is only of interest if there is a lot of business travel to the site (other than mentioning it in the county article so that visitors can avoid the area). Looking at a guide book to England, none of these places appear in the index. Calshot has a castle and the beach, so it may be of interest to travellers. I think that the three articles should be merged into one. AlasdairW (talk) 11:42, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Alasdair, let's see what the new contributor can add to these articles first, and then decide whether to merge them. If there isn't much to add, then sure. But if the new contributor has a lot to say about these places, then no. Ground Zero (talk) 11:45, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * To get things started I have added the template and some listings to Calshot. AlasdairW (talk) 12:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The user left me a similar message to the above, which I replied to, but they haven't edited since. Most people with a genuine interest in expanding Wikivoyage don't create three stubs, ask for help twice and then immediately go quiet when they receive some.
 * In the event they don't come back in the next day or two, I would propose merging Calshot to Hythe (Hampshire) and speedy deleting the other two. You can't visit Fawley oil refinery. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:21, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't expect anything to come of this, but its only been 4 hours since the above message was posted. 4 hours. If there is a slim chance that this contributor can, with a little encouragement, expand these articles, it is worth waiting at least a few days instead of jumping on their articles moments after they were posted. Ground Zero (talk) 13:34, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I refer you to my above comment.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:47, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * And I also know the area well enough to know the places don't merit their own articles, but that a couple of things would make decent additions to Hythe.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:50, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The tone of the discussion, including your comments, and its focus on merging/deleting these articles instead of building them is not supportive of a new contributor. This is the sort of thing that scares newbies away. We should focus on encouraging newbies. This is an individual we're dealing with, so we should not just assume that they are not like the "most people" you describe above. Ground Zero (talk) 13:54, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Why did you assume I was talking about this user when I said most people? Maybe you're assuming bad faith on my part, which to be fair is understandable given how antagonistic I normally am, but in this case I'm just planning for either eventuality, in the knowledge that it's a busy time of year when these (currently orphan) articles can easily slip my or others' minds.

If the IP is interested in growing Wikivoyage, he or she will come back. In this event, I've offered to help, and the offer I made in good faith still stands. But in the event that (s)he doesn't, you all know what my proposal is. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:14, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I did conclude that you were talking about this user because you wrote "Most people with a genuine interest in expanding Wikivoyage don't create three stubs, ask for help twice and then immediately go quiet when they receive some." This user wrote three stubs and asked for help. I don't know if they "immediately went silent", or just went out for a walk or to work, as people do. (I did leave a "not" out, and have added in to my comment above in italics.)
 * I am not assuming bad faith on your part, because I have always found you to be a constructive and collaborative editor. And I don't see you as being antagonistic at all. In this case, however, a lighter touch is warranted. This discussion will remain in thei pub for a month, according to our archiving protocol, so it won't be forgotten, and there is no rush to purge or even plan to purge these articles. Ground Zero (talk) 14:26, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You concluded wrongly, but as the author of the sentence that is more my fault than yours. I suppose there is no rush. We'll have to disagree about my tone, which is fine as long as we're all assuming good faith.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:12, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You're right, I'm back and I have improved them, however I have done all I can do, merge them with Hythe if you like. 82.3.185.12 09:14, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

 * Calshot is a distinct settlement and has several listings so presumably should be kept (if it has enough) while the other 2 are suburbs of Hythe so unless there's significant points of interest it can just be merged. Crouch, Swale (talk) 15:07, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * they are not part of Hythe, they are just near it. 82.3.185.12 12:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Proposed Fawley merge
See here for more details. 82.3.185.12 19:32, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Holbury with Fawley
moved from Talk:Fawley

 * moved from Talk:Holbury

Do you think this page should be merged with Fawley? 82.3.185.12 10:10, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

 * Are you local to the area? If so, do you know what more can be added to Fawley than is currently there, in terms of attractions, places to eat, pubs, accommodation...? Because if, through lack of these things, Fawley is destined to be a very short Outline article, even with content merged from Holbury, they would both be better off merged into Hythe (Hampshire), in my opinion.

 * your thoughts? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:31, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Crouch, Swale has already responded to your question here. 82.3.185.12 10:47, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the decision should be made by people with local knowledge of the area, which I don't have. If user:82.3.185.12 is planning to expand the articles, then they should be given time to do so. If people with local knowledge are okay with merging, then I have no objection. Ground Zero (talk) 12:48, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but as there are two potential destinations for merging, and the two people with local knowledge have different opinions, it might be helpful if you stuck around (or, more accurately, added this to your watchlist). There's no rush to make a decision.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:52, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It isn't clear to me what the two proposals are. Are they:
 * A. Merge Fawley and Holbury
 * B. Merge Fawley and Holbury into Hythe?
 * A seems quite obvious as they are close together. The Wikipedia articles for Fawley and Holbury don't mention any connection to Hythe. Is there a reason to merge them in beyond proximity? I guess if there really isn't anything in either place, it would make sense. I don't have a strong opinion on this. Ground Zero (talk) 13:33, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Those are the proposals as I've understood them. My reason for merging to Hythe is largely proximity, but also a lack of things to see or do in the two articles concerned. I don't know whether there are other kinds of potential listings in Fawley or Holbury (Sleep, Eat etc), but if there are we could try them as a combined article and see how it goes. I suppose a third option is to merge 'up' to New Forest.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:28, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Fawley and Holbury are not part of Hythe, so that would not be the best idea, Fawley is quite a small place so doesn't require its own article and it is way too small to be part of the New Forest article so none of the proposals are ideal. 82.3.185.12 12:03, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Fawley and Holbury indeed aren't part of Hythe but the cap is small so it could still potentially be merged. Fawley parish includes both Holbury (and Calshot for that matter) so merging Holbury with Fawley probably makes sense. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:21, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikivoyage articles are organized on the basis of what is most useful for travellers, and not along municipal boundaries, which change from time to time. If there is not enough in a village to warrant an article, andvit is likely that someone visiting there would be visiting from a nearby town, then merging the two makes sense from the traveller's perspective. Ground Zero (talk) 13:35, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that Fawley and Holbury should be merged, as they are a short walk apart. I wouldn't merge them into Hythe yet - let us wait a few months to see what turns up. It may be more useful to merge them into Calshot, which at the moment has a reasonable number of attractions, but nowhere to sleep. AlasdairW (talk) 21:23, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm okay with Alasdair's idea.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:47, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That sounds good to me. User:82.3.185.12? Ground Zero (talk) 16:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed (at least for Holbury into Fawley and maybe both into Hythe) although municipal boundaries are less important here they often provide a logical say to organize things when a municipality contains other settlements as well but those don't have enough things in them its best to merge with the municipality. In those case most people going to Calshot, Fawley and Holbury will have to go through Hythe anyway so that provides additional reason to have one article (at least for the 2nd and 3rd). Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:45, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Okay then, I have merged Holbury and its talk page with Fawley. At the moment, I still don't think the resulting article is particularly helpful, but I'm happy to wait and see how it might develop.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:05, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, although it probably needs developing more it seems better than before, both places seem to naturally go well in a single article. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:55, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I have merged Calshot with this article, as I have explained here. I have also added Template:Merge to the top of the article to propose a merge to Hythe. I agree with the reasons for merging this article that were proposed above. 82.3.185.12 19:17, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I am happy to leave the decision to people who know the area. It 8s good to see our coverage of this area being so much improved. Great work! Ground Zero (talk) 15:28, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I was coming round to the idea of Calshot being its own article, even if the other two were merged into Hythe. However, I just looked on Maps for potential sleep listings for Calshot, and there's only one campsite, so merging all three to Hythe would probably work best.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:29, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with either but if Calshot is merged and Fawley is kept separate (which it isn't) then Calshot should be merged with Fawley not Hythe but its fine anyway since Fawley is also no longer separate. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:08, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Ok, do that then. 82.3.185.12 16:35, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * done. 82.3.185.12 16:43, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Good work.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:49, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Banner Photo

 * Following the recent very quick mergers, there are now two potential banners that could be used on this article. Currently we are using Hythe Pier, but I think that the picture of the Beach Huts at Calshot is better. Should the banner be changed to Calshot Beach Huts, or is there a better alternative? AlasdairW (talk) 23:25, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I like the Calshot Beach Huts shot. Ground Zero (talk) 02:17, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I also think the Calshot Beach Huts shot looks better, however the article is about Hythe and it does not mention that it also covers Calshot. 82.3.185.12 07:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you think that I should change it to the Calshot Beach Huts shot? 82.3.185.12 19:01, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be great. AlasdairW (talk) 19:59, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, please! Ground Zero (talk) 20:18, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ 82.3.185.12 19:27, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Hythe (Kent)

Copyvio
Hi there, I removed the info that you added on Hythe, some or maybe all of it was taken from www.hythe-tourism.com. We can't copy in info that is under copyright, the only thing compatible with Wikivoyage that isn't written by you yourself is stuff that is specifically and clearly licensed under Creative Commons ccbysa 1.0, or something that is free of copyright and in the Public Domain. Please be careful, I hate to have to continually revert your efforts. Feel free to use the information from those sites as a guide to write your own prose, but it must be significantly different. Thanks! – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 06:19, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

Wikipedia links
I rolled back a bunch of links to Wikipedia in place names. It's usually better to link to local Wikivoyage guides for places. See links to Wikipedia for more details. --(WT-en) Evan 16:55, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Oia (Greece)

removal of details on Fanari
(WT-en) OldPine, may I ask for the reasons to removal of many details on Fanari Villas? I believe all of them are helpful for traveller (and I can explain why, for every removed piece). And we are not too short of space in the article to count every single line. I can find acceptable to move some details to a separate page, but I vote strongly against total removal of them. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 18:27, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

 * You may have (in your mind) justification, but we all must adhere to the Manual of Style as it provides a uniform look to the travel guides. In this case, Project:Accommodation listings indicates that from 1 to 3 sentences should be used to describe accommodations. The listing as I found it was a rather rambling, detailed account of Fanari. Although this page might accomodate it, I believe that what you had there belongs more on Wikivoyage Extra (see link at left), which is for people's personal comments and observations. (WT-en) OldPine 19:53, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Thanks for recommending a place to discuss; I left my question there: Project:Accommodation listings. I would appreciate your ideas there. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:45, 13 July 2007 (EDT)

The correct English spelling is Oia
For the Romanization of Greek there exists the ELOT 743 / BGN-PCGN 1996 agreement, which was "approved for international use at the Fifth United Nations Conference on the Standardization of Geographical Names in 1987." [] This should be also used in this case. It avoids different spellings of geographical names, which would lead to great confusions. Please note, that the "right" spelling is already used in the standard Wikipedia site for Oia. [] I hope, that there is someone, who knows, how to move the site to "Oia". --LeoM49 (talk) 08:59, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure why no-one paid attention to this until now. I will move the article accordingly. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:46, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

 * I needed to add the country name as a disambiguation: see Oia. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:48, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Featured destination?
What does this article need to become a featured destination? /Yvwv (talk) 16:29, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Iași

Who is this poet who wrote the introduction ? —The preceding comment was added by 89.34.32.82 (talk • contribs) 22:23, 8 June 2008

Not true
I was born, raised, and currently living in Iasi. I have no knowledge of putting one's foot on a park bench being illegal. In fact, I would often fasten my shoelaces that way. I've been doing this 10 years ago when I was still a kid, I did it 5 years ago, I'm doing it to this day. No one bothered me. The truth is, if you encounter a corrupt policeman that wants a bribe, he WILL find something to charge you with. But chances are slim because corrupt policemen have tried and verified ways to get bribes and/or fines and that involves watching certain portions of a road where drivers are inclined to increase speed over the legal 50 km/h. There are certain roads where drivers are naturally inclined to do so and the policemen wait there. Living in Iasi and just walking on the street, I have NEVER EVER been harassed by the police. And when I spoke to some, they were even helpful (during the St. Paraskeva Days).

Of course if you need any documents from then, that's another story. But that applies to locals -- we need documents from the Police sometimes (ID cards, passports, proof we don't have a Police record -- or the record if we have one, etc.) -- but not to tourists usually. —The preceding comment was added by 86.124.148.24 (talk • contribs) 09:10, 21 May 2011

Copou Park
You know...the forget-me-not flowers change. The flowers are changed depending on the season and the flowers' blossoming time.

I personally haven't been fined for putting my feet on the bench; why are you (the writer) so indignant at this? It is, after all, a matter of common sense.

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Talk:Ibajay

NOTE: ''I am the owner of www.Ibajay.com/www.ibajay.net/www.ibajay.org. Please feel free to use all material and pictures of my sites to accommodate this page. Sincerely, Cesar Maglantay

Any question? Email me at webmaster@ibajay.com''

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Talk:Ibiza

The San Antonio link is to the city in Texas... --(WT-en) Adestro 07:42, 20 Dec 2005 (EST)

Rollback
I rolled back the addition of an external links section; see Project:External links for details. --(WT-en) Evan 10:24, 28 September 2006 (EDT)

Nightlife
This wiki is lacking a nightlife section, and ibiza is known to be huge for clubbing and such, also no info about cafe del mar. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) AniH (talk • contribs) 16:56, 30 July 2011

 * "Drink" section is for nightlife (please see Project:Where you can stick it for further information) and the article actually has some information on nightlife scene. If it looks incomplete, please plunge forward and expand it. Having said that, though, all listings should be moved to city/town articles where they belong, and this article should only give an overview of the local nightlife scene. – (WT-en) Vidimian 17:20, 3 August 2011 (EDT)

a certain paragraph is quite clearly missing a picture
title says it all Ilkeston1990 (talk) 12:22, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Municipalities as regions and no cities listed?
I find it irregular to list municipalities as regions and not list cities. I would suggest listing all the municipalities as cities and leaving Ibiza as the region. I solicit your input, Auldhame. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:58, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

 * I would agree Ikan Kekek! My mistake while implementing a regionlist. I'll change it over now. Auldhame (talk) 20:06, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I'll have a look at how you develop things. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:14, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Ibo

External links & Travelpod content
I removed several external links to non-primary sites and some Wikipedia articles (see Project:External links and Project:Links to Wikipedia) and some content that was quoted from travelpod.com - it was credited to the original source, but it seems questionable whether the CC-SA license would allow using quotes to fill out full sections of information. The rest of the information looks OK to me, and this is a great start of an article for a new contributor. -- (WT-en) Ryan 16:11, 19 March 2006 (EST)

 * Dear Ryan, thanks for the guidance re the Ibo article. Can you indicate the reason why links to personal accounts of travels is against WikiTravel policy? It was certainly useful to me to read such accounts from earlier travellers to Ibo, and I would think other users of WikiTavel will similarly benefit. I have enriched the article itself from relevant information from these accounts, but that is not the same as the personal account itself. It is primary material, although of course not official. Zingi 02:37, 23 March 2006 (EST)

 * The external links policy explains the reasons for limiting external links fairly well, but a summary is that 1. we don't want Wikivoyage to become a link farm, and 2. many people simply add a link to an article rather than adding content, which doesn't really help make the article much better. I agree that your links to the journals were interesting (I actually read through some of them), and if you want to list those links on this talk page with a note that they're good resources about the island, that's fine, but for the actual article itself the policy is clear: only official links for hotels, attractions, restaurants, and the offical site of Ibo are allowed.  If you disagree with that policy feel free to make your argument on Project:External links. Thanks for the contributions! -- (WT-en) Ryan 02:48, 23 March 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Icefields Parkway

It certainly is news to me that the Icefields Parkway is in British Columbia. They must have moved the border somewhat to the east, WHAT!!!!!????? I would appreciate some kind of an explanation please. My email add is bastienk@telus.net Thank-you and Best Regards of the day Kent Bastien

Great content!
This paragraph is invaluable! You can't find anything anywhere else on the Internet (in less than 10 minutes of Googling) that points out the winter travel info for the Icefields Parkway:

"The road itself is kept open year-round, but during the winter months it is extremely snowy and none of the tourist attractions along its length will be open or able to be visited. The gas-station, store and tourist centre will all be closed for the winter, so there is nowhere to get food or petrol on the Parkway at that time. In fact, the road is often closed due to weather during the winter. Check with park officials for the road conditions before you choose to travel it and be well prepared for winter conditions on the trip."

Just wanted to say thanks!! --24.6.113.39 14:33, 19 November 2010 (EST)

To Usable/Guide
Usable shouldn't be too difficult: I think with a clear route map, this article would probably be Usable. What does it need for Guide? This would be a nice itinerary to feature at some point. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:59, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Could probably do with something about the flora and fauna and geology. I was also thinking about adding a few of the view point car pull in points along the road. --Traveler100 (talk) 07:27, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * All that sounds good. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:29, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * What do you think of the banner image? I may have some panorama view of the road with mountains that could fit 7:1. --Traveler100 (talk) 08:00, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * So I have changed the banner to one that better shows the parkway. Also added a little more detail and a few more listings. So what do people think needs more detail to make the article a guide? --Traveler100 (talk) 00:28, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Iceland

Areas
I would say that the Interior area should be called Highlands, as it is known in Icelandic(Hálendið) Einsiol (talk) 23:51, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

 * If that's local usage then that would make sense. The country map would need to be updated before we could rename any articles or begin updating links, provided of course no one voices an objection to the change. -- Ryan • (talk) • 00:04, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Travel by bus.
The entire chapter on travel by bus is very out of date and almost completely worthless as it stands. --Bjarki S (talk) 11:09, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you do anything to update and improve it? Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:16, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Travel by Carpooling
couchsearfing link is dead —The preceding comment was added by 46.189.45.234 (talk • contribs)
 * Removed. Though there wouldn't have been any problems with yourself removing it. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:23, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Iceland has no history
There is no history section. Anyone want to tell Iceland's story? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:44, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, someone who reads Icelandic could start here. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:19, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I allready added the gist of it.--Snaevar (talk) 21:20, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Irish on Iceland
these IP edits (from an IP who has "a history", but it may well be someone else using the IP address) remove the previous mention of Irish settlers. I have really no bone in this fight, but I think I've read that Iro-Scots (or whatever) monks actually came to Iceland slightly before Nordic people and a significant portion of modern Icelandic DNA is from - I think predominantly Irish - slaves that the Nordic settlers took with them. Apparently there is even some Native American in there... Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:01, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The Irish monks are still mentioned, but the wording states they were temporary residents, not permanent settlers. Powers (talk) 18:54, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Golden Circle, ring road, etc..
I read online of some tours that include Golden Circle, Ring Road, etc.. Though I'm not sure what the difference is, are there more types of "circle" tours? Marathonian (talk) 20:32, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

 * The "Golden Circle" is a type of tour (operated by tens of different tour companies) that starts in Reykjavik, and usually includes at least Geysir, Gullfoss and the Thingvellir site (depending on the tour, some other site might also be included); they're around 50-100 km east of the capital so doable even as a half-day trip.
 * The Ring Road is the highway that goes around the country like a huge beltway (but not as long as the one in Australia) that will take several days to drive (one week for serious sightseeing).
 * In 2014 when I visited there were a lot of different tours from Reykjavik, and I think quite many were "circular" ones, ie. bringing you to several sights. ϒψιλον  (talk ) 20:58, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Even one week is pretty rushed for the Ring Road. There are lots of tside trips off the ring that are really worthwhile. I spent two weeks that included the West Fjords. That was not too much time, and there were a couple of long driving days (I was the only driver).
 * There is lots to see on the Golden Circle near Reykjavik. A full day is good. Ground Zero (talk) 21:09, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't we include that information in the article? Seems like pretty useful information for me. Marathonian (talk) 21:22, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The Iceland article says:
 * "Golden Circle day tours are available from Reykjavík from many tour operators which will take you round the Gulfoss waterfall, geysers, the crater and the Mid-Atlantic rift/place of Iceland's first Parliament."
 * Route 1-Ring Road says:
 * "Most tourists complete the loop in 1 or 2 weeks, which varies depending on time spent at attractions and how far they drive every day."
 * Ground Zero (talk) 21:28, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks got it. Are there other standard "circles" that people can do? and out of curiosity (since I might go there this year), did you guys enjoy the ring road or golden circle more? —The preceding comment was added by Marathonian (talk • contribs)

Using American spelling
Given the large US presence Iceland has historically had and the many flights to/from the US, should we change the default spelling for Icelandic destinations to American? Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:18, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I did searches on the government.is website to see what is most common. "Labour" 274 results, "labor" 21 results. "Favour" 70, "favor" 10. "Modernise" 6, "modernize" 3. "Subsidise" 3, "subsidise" 0. Usage is not consistent (it's not the Icelanders' fault that the Anglosphere can't get its act together), but it seems to lean heavily toward UK spelling. Ground Zero (talk) 15:42, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

 * Governments don't decide spelling. People do. Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:41, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * And wasn't the historic US connection based on the military, which is government? If you have evidence of how the people spell, please share it. Otherwise, it's your opinion against that of the Government of Iceland. When I was in Iceland for a couple of weeks, I didn't notice how English words were spelled, but I did hear of connections to the UK: students talk about going to Denmark or the UK for university, and the UK seems to be a place to go for city break weekends. Ground Zero (talk) 17:02, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * US travellers are the most prominent travelers to Iceland (see https://px.hagstofa.is/pxis/pxweb/en/Atvinnuvegir/Atvinnuvegir__ferdathjonusta__farthegar/SAM02006.px ), true, but in schools both British and American English is tought (that can be seen in the national curriculum). There is no preference of one over the other.--Snaevar (talk) 22:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * In that case we might as well maintain British English within this article. --Comment by Selfie City  ( talk  |  contributions ) 22:16, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Why? Policy is to use American English when there is no clear preference for either variant... Hobbitschuster (talk) 10:57, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Policy is also not to change English versions unnecessarily. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:10, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Volcano emergency info
@ Snaevar : Is there some official place to look for warnings related to volcanism? I think it gives a rather bad image to just point to "media sources". Few of our readers speak Icelandic and foreign media may not be that alert or careful with the details. –LPfi (talk) 15:35, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * –LPfi (talk) 15:41, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, en.vedur.is/alerts, which is the Icelandic weather instutation (Met office). Most of the alerts on there are on winds over 20m/s though. Safetravel.is also has alerts, if you do not mind giving them your phonenumber, it is run by the Icelandic Search and Rescue, those alerts are more narrowed down. Also, if an person gets close to an national disaster, he will get an SMS from the civil services. Snævar (talk) 21:59, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Names / Patronymic
I added quite a bit of detail in the "understand" section related to how Icelandic last names work, expanding on a brief sentence there. Then I discovered that in the "Respect" section later on in the page, a lot of the info I provided is already there in a call out box. Is there a way to refer back to this call out box in the "Respect" section? Marvin The Paranoid (talk) 10:44, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Proposed currency format change
Current currency format recommends "kr 100". It doesn't appear to be how it is written by the public. All of them list in "100 kr" format: Coffee shop, supermarket, Costco, soup stall, Taco restaurant and on their coins. I would propose changing the currency format to "100 kr" style. OhanaUnitedTalk page 17:43, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support, per OhanaUnited's evidence. Ground Zero (talk) 18:48, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * "kr" is an Icelandic abbrivation for "króna". Other countries have the same name for their currency, mainly the other nordic countries. Norway, Denmark and Sweden use the word "krone" for their own currencies, which is the same word as in Icelandic. ISK leaves nothing up for guessing, while "kr" does, it can be any of those nordic currencies. Also weird to use an Icelandic abbrivation in english text. As for why shops do it, it became customary before Iceland advertised itself heavily for tourism, so it made sence in Icelandic and English was never taken into account. Snævar (talk) 03:53, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * That's a problem will all our articles, but in articles about a country or places or concepts in that country, an unqualified "kr" will unambiguously refer to that country. We use the international codes (such as ISK) only where they are needed for clarity or there is some other special reason to. We use the local practice as our guides are for travellers, who will see – and should recognise – the locally used way.
 * The question here is whether to write "100 kr" or "kr 100". How do you write prices in Iceland? I think that changing usage to make the country more conformant to tourists is a disservice both to the country and to the tourists. Keep to your customs and tourists will appreciate that additional "exotic" flavour.
 * (In Finland we write "100,–" or rarely "100 euro" while Wikivoyage writes €100, but if Icelandic usage conforms to Wikivoyage practice, we should use it. By the way, Swedish "kr" is "krona", plural "kronor", not "krone".)
 * –LPfi (talk) 09:22, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Writing 100 kr would be correct, as we say 100 krónur (plural of króna), krónur 100 is not valid at all and that is with consideration of all of the different ways Icelandic is spoken. (I have been busy). Snævar (talk) 06:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Why would anyone think that "kr" in an Iceland article in English Wikivoyage mean Swedish krona?
 * Do we need to specify that a shop in Rekyavik opens at 09:00 Greenwich Mean Time and not 09:00 Eastern European Time like in Helsinki? I don't think so. Ground Zero (talk) 09:37, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Ground Zero (talk) 11:45, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I was surprised about the formatting when I found we used "kr 100" as opposed to "100 kr" a while back but wasn't motivated to do anything about it. Thanks for starting this discussion, OhanaUnited. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 09:45, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Icelandic phrasebook

Article restart
This article is a wee bit all over the place, would anyone mind if I maybe restarted it? (WT-en) SKC 16:05 UTC 31-Jan-2007

 * "Restarted"? It would be great if you could fix the formatting and adopt the standard Project:Phrasebook template though. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:33, 31 January 2007 (EST)

Article "restart" update
Reworked down to mid-section of "lodging". Further work will continue. (WT-en) SKC 20:02, 7 February 2007 (EST)

Woah
I'm sorry to inform you as a native speaker that there's a bunch of mistakes in this phrasebook. Are you yet to learn declensions?
 * I'm rough with declensions, sorry :-S at least I tried though (if that's any consolation).

Mistakes
There are many mistakes here in this phrasebook, I advise people not to use it until it has been revised by a native. I also didn't think we had a dual in Icelandic, actually, I think I can be 100% sure we don't have tvötal in Icelandic because I am studying Saami and we have to say "við tvö" to be equivelant to "moai" and such. So I removed that part of the introduction.

"a" in "land" and as in "car"?
I don't know Icelandic, but I'm wondering if these vowels are being thought of as pronounced in England, because for most Americans, the A in "land" and in "car" are entirely different vowels that could never be construed as being shorter or longer versions of each other. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:51, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

 * I also wonder about "ur" in "fur" for the ö: Is a schwa intended? Because many Americans use the same "u" in "fur" that we use in "butter"; however, if you use the "ir" in "fir" to represent a schwa, I think that's safe. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:55, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * What? Land and car have the same vowels? Has to be the way pronounced in the UK but I'm not sure. I don't know anyone here who speaks Icelandic, but, or  may know much more about it than we do. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:00, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * No-one is saying "land" and "car" have the same vowels; I'm saying the vowels for the two words are entirely different in most American pronunciations. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:07, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * In Singapore, "land" and "car" also have different vowels. Our official pronunciation is mostly based on British pronunciation, but there might be dialects in England where the two words use the same vowel. The dog2 (talk) 01:53, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing the point being made is that in a non-rhotic British pronunciation, "kaaah" has a longer "a as in father" sound than "lahnd." Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:02, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't speak Icelandic, but I have heard some, and have an Icelandic-Swedish dictionary in my bookshelf. The Icelandic "a" is said to be like the "European a"; that would be like in French and Spanish ([a]). I suppose father comes close. For "ö" it says "open ö" (in Swedish we have two ös: [ø] and [œ]), thus it should be [œ] like French "eu". –LPfi (talk) 08:39, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * (The last should be French "eu" in heure. –LPfi (talk) 08:42, 20 November 2021 (UTC))
 * Makes sense. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:41, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Right, as I suspected. So the English equivalents should be changed, but I'm not sure what would represent a longer "aaah" in American English, other than what we're told to say for a doctor to look down our throats. Or we could use "A" as in "father" for the shorter one and "a" as in British pronunciations of "car" for the second one, understanding that some Americans might not know British pronunciation. And I think we should use "i" in "fir" for a schwa, if we want to keep that kind of example, not "u" in "fur," which is an "uh" sound for some Americans. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:32, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * A is either spoken like the IPA code [aː] or [a], depending on the surrounding letters. Since that is similar to what others have been saying, I am leaving it as is. Snævar (talk) 07:08, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know IPA, so I don't know what those codes represent, but you see what I posted above. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * This is a good IPA chart if you're not familiar with what the codes represent. I can understand IPA, but I'm not well-versed in linguistics to be able to participate in this thread. -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 08:01, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Pseudo-pronunciations
The Wikivoyage-style pseudo-pronunciations were removed ("fixing pronounciation, this one is based on Icelandic IPA, kept those that are close enough"). There has been quite some discussion on the merits of IPA, but consensus seems to be that IPA is good for those who know it, but too arcane for most of our audience. And these IPA-based pronunciations are well and good for people speaking non-English European languages where letters usually correspond to sounds in some reasonable manner, but I doubt they are good for most native English speakers. That's why we use our pseudo-pronunciation. –LPfi (talk) 14:35, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

 * @LPfi: I do not think you read the comment of that edit correctly. I do not appreciate you claiming that "based on Icelandic IPA" is IPA itself, that is not what I wrote. The additions I made are not IPA themselves, but rather use IPA as an helping tool (I used an paper by an Icelandic professor in linguistics). I was in fact aware of this non-reliance on IPA and did already take it into account. I did use ":" where emphasis should be used, but that is the extent of IPA code in my edit. If you have a better way of marking emphasis other than ":", then by all means replace those, but other than that, your comment does not apply. Snævar (talk) 07:27, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * There were other changes than the ":". For that change, do you mean length rather than emphasis/stress?
 * The main problem is that the pseudo-pronunciations in this phrasebook are different from those used in other phrasebooks, so Pseudo-phoneticization guide does not apply and there is no other guidance.
 * This version is not intuitive for an English speaker. E.g. Sæl "Sigh-l", which would be pronounced something like [saɪl], was changed to "Sail", where the first part would be pronounced like the English word, close to [seɪl]. According to, æ should indeed be pronounced [aɪ]. The problem is that in English, letters aren't pronounced in any logical way, so you need to add a lot of "h"s and the like to get a sane pronunciation – and those were now removed.
 * –LPfi (talk) 10:01, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Idaho

So... are we deliberately not mentioning the Sawtooth area?

The link to the Lewis and Clark trail is broken.(WT-en) jstampfl 01:03, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

 * It's the ampersand. Annoying but fixable, though it may need merging with Lewis_and_Clark_Trail.  - (WT-en) Dguillaime 01:07, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

Ok, I fixed the Lewis and Clark trail link. (WT-en) jstampfl 11:58, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

Regions
I've replaced the old very simple North-South scheme with a 7-regions scheme lifted directly from the official tourism bureau. Hopefully this will mean that we won't have to further subdivide Idaho's regions for the foreseeable future. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:37, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

Oct 6, 2010 I took out the following paragraph... "In part because of this growth, some longtime Idahoans are openly disdainful of newcomers in general, and ex-Californians in particular. However, this rarely translates into an expression of ill will towards visitors." To say that some are "disdainful" of newcomers would be true of every square inch of this planet. There are always people who feel that those that came after them should leave. There are no more of them in Idaho than any other part of the world, perhaps fewer.

OH NO
I accidentally placed a "Copyright infringement" Notification in the See section. I do not know how to remove this. Please help! There is no infringement! 05:55, 15 January 2013 (UTC)184.155.97.158
 * Click the "Edit" link next to the "See" heading and simply remove the text.  Thanks for your other contributions to this article! -- Ryan • (talk) • 05:57, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I've removed the template, per the original request. -- Ryan • (talk) • 06:20, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Igman ski resort

Igman ski resort

 * Delete . A ski resort in Bosnia and Herzegovina, which is not something that is normally given its own article (Project:What is an article?).  The only content is SHOUTING for a travel agent. -- (WT-en) Ryan 15:06, 26 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Redirect. I was going to do that, but you beat me to it with a vfd. :) -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 15:10, 26 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Redirect is a better solution - I'm not sure where to redirect to, so I'll leave it to you. -- (WT-en) Ryan 15:51, 26 August 2006 (EDT)

the above moved from vfd page

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Talk:Iguaçu Falls

Comments
Hi, just pointing out that the photos seem to have got the different sides mixed up. eg, "Iguaçu falls (Devil's Throat) from the Brazilian side" - this is actually from the Argentinian side. I should know since I have almost identical photos from the Argentinian side of the falls. The first image on the page is also, I believe from the wrong side. That is a classic Brazilian view of the falls. As my tour guide said, "Argentina has the experience, Brazil has the beauty" --60.229.144.166 06:36, 22 January 2007 (EST)

The first one is most definitely a view from argentina, I have that exact picture (little skinny tree included). also is there anyway we can include a map of the falls? it might help people if the knew the layout of the park (argentina side) and where brazil and paraguay are located in relation to the falls.

--- In the Argentinia part is the Bus from Foz do Iguaçu mentioned. But if I get it right its a Brasilien City. So its a bit confusing.

Merging into the National Park article
Tsandell has put a notice on this page suggesting that it is merged into the national park article. I disagree becuase the falls themselves are far more visited and referred to than the national park itself, as well as being in 2 countries. -- (WT-en) DanielC 08:48, 5 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Agree with DanielC. --(WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 19:16, 5 July 2007 (EDT)
 * How would you suggest we handle the overlap/duplication between the two articles? -(WT-en) Todd VerBeek 19:34, 5 July 2007 (EDT)
 * From the falls article we could put a note that "For infomration on the wider NP see ...article". In the NP article we could put "The Falls themsleves are covered in ... article". -- (WT-en) DanielC 08:51, 6 July 2007 (EDT)

Separating the cities from the park(s)
I think it is not very convenient to have the information on three cities and the falls (ciudad del este, foz de iguacu and puerto iguacu) all put into one entry. I propose that every city should receive its own article and the waterfalls article concentrate on what is actually there at the falls and just refering to the entries for the cities for accommodation and other touristy things.

Current info
Just to note that all the info in this article is very helpful but prices have gone up (November 2011) Bus from the airport to Centro is now Br 2.65. Taxis also seem to be more expensive, certainly more so than in Rio. Entry fee to the Brazilian side is Br 76 and Ar 100 on the Argentinian side.

The bus system is very simple and inexpensive. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 187.59.47.252 (talk • contribs)

 * Please plunge forward!--(WT-en) Globe-trotter 06:31, 23 November 2011 (EST)

Alternative banner for this article?

In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 06:51, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

 * They're both nice, I'd put this one in Puerto Iguazu. Jjtkk (talk) 07:36, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

 * I agree. It's almost a tossup between the two banners, but I like the fact that this one shows how small the people are in comparison to the falls, so yes, I would support replacing the current one with this one. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:33, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

 * I took quite some trouble to select a kind of unusual view of the falls for this article, which I thought also had sort of dramatic atmosphere to it. I was quite happy with the result. Anyway, I put the banner at least to Puerto Iguazu now. Danapit (talk) 19:06, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Sheraton to Meliá
The Sheraton hotel on the Argentinian side seems to have changed owner and name (even as it shows up as Sheraton on Openstreetmap, and you get a result for it in the business sidebar in google), thus I've edited the article accordingly.

I googled Sheraton Iguazu and didn't find an official site for that particular hotel. Then I checked out Sheraton's homepage, and didn't find any hotel in Iguazu among their hotels in Argentina.

In a review showing up among the google results I accidentially stumbled upon the name "Meliá", and found out a working home page for a hotel by that name. That home page had a photo of a hotel which is the same as in the Wikipedia article for the Sheraton Iguaçu, wherefore I'm pretty confident that the hotel is known as Meliá nowadays, but the name has probably changed very recently and therefore it hasn't been updated everywhere yet. --ϒpsilon (talk) 18:18, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Ijen Plateau

Dupe?
The Ijen Crater (Kawah Ijen) is covered in Banyuwangi, are these two different? (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:35, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

 * well spotted Jani. I now see that it is, despite being about 50km from Banyuwangi. Not sure yet whether it should be a separate article or not .... many visitors to Ijen do so from Bondowoso not Banyuwangi (I have, twice!). I am putting together the bones of the East Java region article at the moment, so perhaps delete Ijen Plateau for now and let's see how it develops. Cheers. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 08:43, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

 * I will re-direct to Banyuwangi for now. Ijen is probably not an article in the strict sense as the only places to stay are basic huts where you can camp on the floor and a defunct vulcanology centre.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:38, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Ikkiss

Under the 'see' section. What's the word for stepped-fields... you know the ones that are dozens of smaller fields in steps up the hillside?

 * Does a terraced field sound right? -- (WT-en) Huttite 06:54, 6 Apr 2005 (EDT)

 * Thanks! I guess I've got a bit of a tautology in there as well: 'cultivated fields'. -- (WT-en) Lionfish 12:41, 6 Apr 2005 (BST)

Does anyone else know if there's places to stay in Ikkiss?

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Talk:Ilanz (region)

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Extra Cities
Here is a full list of the towns, in the region, as it is clogging up the main article:
 * Castrisch
 * Flond
 * Falera
 * Ilanz
 * Laax
 * Ladir
 * Luven
 * Pitasch
 * Riein
 * Ruschein
 * Sagogn
 * Schluein
 * Schnaus
 * Sevgein
 * Valendas
 * Versam

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Talk:Ilha Grande

HI, I put some information, my english it´s bad, please somebody translate right

I cant find the option lile External link, beacuse I made a webssite with usefull information about the island, started like hobbie but for me with some adds now it´s interesting for maintenance and I answer totally free more than 50 or more questions for travelers, in spanish and english, My dreams it´s someday live here. Put the link, i don´t rememenr if put well some days ago or some editor remove, sorry if it´s not it´s possible, I SEE links in other post, I don´t like break the therms, I read in english but not clear like know it´s bad or help to others my link in this page, IF bad REMOVE not problem
 * I'm not sure who initally deleted your link, but they were correct. We don't link to other web sites or guides unless they are official links.  Please see Where did the external links section go?.  -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 11:17, 18 August 2006 (EDT)

Accommodations Galore!
Oh wow, someone went all out on the Sleep section, like entered every entry in the telephone book. Lazarus1255 (talk) 20:26, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * There are some for which we have just the name -- no address, phone number, price or description. Those listings are of no value to readers and could be removed or commented out since we have so many listings that have useful information. Ground Zero (talk) 21:26, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, good idea. I'll try to keep working away at it. A lot of them look like nice places, but I'll try to use some discernment to winnow out a few. Thanks. Lazarus1255 (talk) 00:44, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Go next
"It's better to go [from Ilha Grande] to Angra dos Reis, take the Costa Verde bus, wait for the ferry at the pier, and go directly to the bus station in Rio de Janeiro."

"wait for the ferry at the pier" does not make sense in that sequence.

Is it meant 'wait for the bus at the pier' because the Costa Verde bus stops at the pier and then goes to Rio? Flightnavigator (talk) 07:29, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Iligan

hi, just able to browse this page. and i would like to share my thoughts. it is unfair to call the attacks of Moro people against the Spaniards and those who favored the occupation as "attacks of pirates and savage tribes" note that under Muslim history, the attacks staged by Moro people are attacks with valid historic claim-- and that is to oppose colonialization. parang minamaiit natin ang mga attacks na ito as mere thievery. its clearly an understatement. least to find that phrase at wikivoyage... also, let me note that history was clear that spaniards were truly set to control lanao provinces as read in their hatched plans and the deployment of their forces. iligan as a launching pad of their territorial expansion incidentally become an object of attack by Maranaos and Iranuns.

violy gloria.violy@gmail.com

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Talk:Illinois

I think we need to break down Illinois into some regions, which can in turn be broken up by county, then cities. It's a recipe that's worked pretty well for other states in the USA.

The Illinois tourism department has a nice breakdown on this handy map.

 * Northern Illinois
 * Chicagoland
 * Central Illinois
 * Southwest Illinois
 * Southern Illinois

Comments or suggestions? --(WT-en) Evan 07:02, 18 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * Perfect. -- (WT-en) Mark 07:25, 18 Jan 2005 (EST)
 * what did Western Illinois do to upset ya :-) --(WT-en) Richard 2005 jan 18

 * Other than Quincy (Illinois) and the Quad Cities, not much. -- (WT-en) Mark

 * Speaking of the Quad Cities, what is to be done with them? If you look at the Iowa article, you'll notice that the Quad Cities are listed among the significant cities. No mention of Davenport or Bettendorf, just Quad Cities. If you look at the Illinois article, the Quad Cities aren't even listed. Nor are Moline or Rock Island. How do you deal with four cities that are somewhat associated with one another?

 * Let's cross-reference. In fact the four of them are for a traveler's needs pretty much a single mid-sized city, the distinction between the four of them are political boundaries. In some cases we've made a whole conurbation a single destination, as in Los Angeles or Sydney, but we also have examples where we've treated members of a conurbation as separate cities.  Say like Kansas City, who's large similarly named suburb across the river is treated as a distinct destination. -- (WT-en) Mark 05:16, 19 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * 5 colons. So in other words, you would remove the Quad Cities listing from Iowa and replace it with Davenport and Bettendorf? Or is that the opposite of what you mean?

 * I've been to Kansas City (Kansas) and it really is a distinct destination. -- (WT-en) Mikito 05:39, 19 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * I guess that's the rub, isn't it? Somebody who knows the place should make the decision, as they are the best to say if it feels like 1 or 4 destinations.  Meanwhile, I figure we should just add a Quad Cities to Western Illinois and be done with it until somebody comes along to contribute an article. -- (WT-en) Mark 05:51, 19 Jan 2005 (EST)

Which cities deserve links?
Some of the cities listed here aren't really large enough to qualify as legitimate destinations in and of themselves. I live in DuPage county, and while towns like Lisle and Lombard might be nice places to live, and even have plenty of worthwhile and interesting activities (whirlyball, anyone?) I'm not sure this qualifies them for a main link off the Illinois page. Can somebody establish some kind of criteria?

 * Pick the 7 plus/minus 2 interesting places. Everything else should be swept into the appropriate region pages. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:19, 7 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * "Interesting" is a pretty relative term. What are we talking, historical interest? Cultural? Commercial?

 * Yes, any of those. Lombard and Lisle are definitely cities (albeit small ones) that said I think probably Lisle would only really deserve mention for side trips from say, Naperville. -- (WT-en) Mark 07:40, 7 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * I should probably retitle this section. My question is really not whether those are cities (Lisle and Lombard are technically villages anyway) but whether such small municipalities deserve a direct link from the Illinois page. Unless we intend to list every town, village, city, and census-designated place, we had better come up with some objective criteria for deciding what gets a link on this page and what doesn't.

 * OK, that's an easier question to answer: No, they don't belong on the Illinois page.  We probably just want to link to the 7+-2 most interesting (and dispersed) from the article for the state.  I would think that list should be something like "Chicago, Champaign-Urbana, Peoria, Springfield, East St. Louis (or another metro-east city), Carbondale, Quad-cities, DeKalb and Bloomington-Normal".  What do you think? -- (WT-en) Mark 09:12, 7 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * The Project:region article template says, It's usually a good idea, if there are a few prominent cities in the region, to list them here, since that's often all that travelers are looking for. This is neither a judgement on the quality of a city, its size, its usefulness for travellers, etc. The whole point is if a reader gets to Illinois, we don't want them to say, "^%$)$*$$@! Where is the link to Chicago on this page?" I'd say that your list, Mark, is pretty much what people would be looking for in Illinois. --(WT-en) Evan 10:37, 7 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * I'd say Naperville and Rockford probably deserve to be on the list as well, they're the 2nd and 3rd largest cities in Illinois (if I'm not mistaken), and they both get a share of convention/buisiness travel, if nothing else.

 * 3rd and 4th, or maybe 4th and 5th. Peoria is bigger, but we still don't have a Peoria article.  Still we are sort of against this kind of ranking on Wikivoyage, since it tends to inspire non-productive behavior:  "x is bigger." "No, y is bigger".  etc. etc. ad-infinitum.

 * This sort of thing is the reason I didn't include Naperville on the list. I worry that if you list Naperville people are going to be weird about our not having listed Aurora or Schamburg or Evanston, then we'll wind up with a list of 25 and have to trim it again. -- (WT-en) Mark 04:25, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Well, not to be a Naperville zealot here (I actually kind of hate Naperville) but it does seem like it's becoming a pretty sizable destination for business travel (conferences and the like) so people might come here looking for info. The following is a list I found of the 10 largest cities in Illinois (I make no claims about its accuracy): Chicago, 2,869,121; Aurora, 162,184; Rockford, 151,725; Naperville, 137,894; Joliet, 123,570; Springfield, 113,586; Peoria, 112,907; Elgin, 97,117; Waukegan, 91,452; Cicero, 83,029. I'd suggest that maybe the top 5 should get links in this page, and then we can pick a few others to add for geographic balance (since most of the top 5 are in Norteastern Illinois). Thoughts?

IMHO geographical balance is way more important than population. I seriously would toss anything in Chicagoland that isn't Chicago right off the list for that reason alone. -- (WT-en) Mark 16:43, 2 Feb 2006 (EST)

Revisited
Two "complaints": Naperville is, I think, all Chicagoan snobbery aside, a much more interesting tourist destination than Joliet, which really only offers gambling and prison life. And, while I know much less about this one, is Rockford much of a travel destination, or did we just include it because it's big? I'd guess that the Quad Cities would be a better choice than Rockford for the list. Thoughts? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 14:06, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Rockford is definitely not a destination and should be dropped. I'd keep Joliet, though - the Chicagoland Speedway in Joliet is a pretty big deal for auto racing. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 02:24, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

Region changes
There's a region breakdown at the top of this page that seems to please everybody. I think someone might have mistakenly thought that our preferred way to write "Northern Illinois" is "Northern (Illinois)". It is not.

We try to use "traditional" regions and region names. So for the region of the US called the "Southwest", we use the name "Southwest". Sometimes we also have "the North", "the South", etc. If the name is ambiguous -- that is, if there are more than one place with that same name -- we use disambiguators in parentheses to separate them out. So the American Southwest becomes "Southwest (United States of America)". Note that it's not "Southwestern (United States of America)".

Unless the name of the area is "Northern" or "Eastern", we shouldn't have Northern (Illinois), but Northern Illinois. --(WT-en) Evan 11:42, 29 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * AAARRRGGHH!
 * I was following the example of New Mexico, where the parentheses are used in all regions (and were so defined before I got to them). If you want to get in and undo all this, feel free -- I need to go take an aspirin... -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:32, 29 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Sigh... So the top-level page is reverted. I am not skillful enough with markup to avoid a circular redirect on the regions.  Anybody? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:43, 30 Dec 2005 (EST)

Outdated status
This travel guide is no longer an outline. --(WT-en) CurvyEthyl 17:40, 28 September 2010 (EDT)

 * Almost. I'd say Starved Rock State Park would need to be at least usable status for this region to have usable status. It's the most important natural attraction in the state. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:44, 28 September 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Ilocano phrasebook

Araramidem?
Does that mean "What Are You Doing?" 89.100.206.201 19:38, 5 January 2009 (EST)

other phrases
What are you doing? Anya ubram?

I can speak ilocano.

Ammoc ag'ilocano.

You can talk to me.

Mabalin'ac nga makatungtong.

Are you ilocano too?

Ilocano ka met la?

My mom is Ilocano.

Ilocano ni nanang ko.

She didn't teach me how to speak it but i just learned it.

Haan'ac nga sinursuruan ngem natuto'ac nga agsao 'ti ilocano ngem natuto'ac latta.

I don't know how.

Maddi'c ammo nu kasano.

When do you use Ilocano?

Kaa'no mo us-usarin ti Ilocano?

How old are you?

Mano tawen mo'n?

Where do you live?

Paggigyan'am?

Good day to all of you!!!

Naimbag nga aldaw kada-kayo amin!!!

My Name Is

Nagan ko

I Don't Know

Diak Amo

I am Hungry

Mabissin Nakon

I miss you

Maeeliow ka

What are you going to buy?

Anya Gatangim?

What do you want?

Anya ti kayat mo?

I'm avoiding you

Ako likliklikanen sika

He/she lives

Gnan na

I Forgot

Nalipatakon

I want to see you

Kayat ka makita

My Head Hurts

Nagsakit itoy ulook

Let's Go to Town

Mapan tayo idi ili

Brother/Sister/Sibling

Kabsat

What about you? (singular)

Sika ngay?

What about you? (plural)

Sikayo ngay?

Your house is beautiful.

Napintas ti balaymo

I am 's friend

Siak ti gayyem ni

Have you found your ?

Nabirukam 'tay ?

How sweet!

Anian a dungngo!

What an awful thing to think about!

Anian a nagkasang a panunoten!

Can you understand ?

Makataros ka ti ?

Can I ask some questions?

Mabalin ti agsaludsod?

But

Ngem

Where are you going to? Which way are you going?

Agpaanoka?

Where are they from?

''Taga-anoda? ''

Please help me

Tulonganak man

Please wait

Agurayka man bassit

Good Luck

Naimbag nga gasatmo

I will come let you know the news

Umaykonto ipakaammo ti damag

I didn't mean to hurt your feelings

Diak inggagara a saktan ti riknayo

I'll do it

Aramidekto

Because

Agsipud ta

I know that you won't be able to forgive me

Ammok a saannakto a mapakawan

You're crazy

Bagtit ka

Occasionally

No maminsan

Hurry Up!

''Darasem! (Darasenyo)''

I have stomach problems

Madi ti tianko

I have diarrhea

Agburburisak

Do you know the way to ?

Ammom ti dalan idiay ?

X is Generous

Naparabur ni X

Thanks For Understanding

Agyamanak iti Kinamannakaawatyo

Revenge is sweet

Nasamit Ti Agibales

Once In a While

No Dadduma

The smells from the dining room give stomach pains

Makapabisaleg dagiti angot ti taraon iti panganan

I devote all my time to X

Ibukbok amin nga orasko iti X

Where do you live?

Pagawidam?

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Talk:Iloilo City

It barely covers the fine points of iloilo. The article sounds more like an editorial written by a disatisfied traveller. Please cover more of local culture and especially the food as iloilo is known for its local cuisine.

 * Since you know about the local culture and cuisine, please plunge forward and make the edits! (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 02:46, 31 January 2012 (EST)

Article name
"Iloilo City" seems to be a common English-language name for this city, and moving the article there would get rid of the ugly parentheses. Eco84 (talk) 14:49, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Moved (several years later), discussion at Talk:Philippines. Pashley (talk) 13:08, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Confusing text
What does this mean?

"The supposed conversion of the Catholic-majority Ilonggos to Protestantism are protested by both the Ilonggos and American Catholics, resulting to changes in American colonial policy in the city."

Did a majority of Ilonggos convert to Protestantism or not? What was the nature of the protest and what were the changes in American colonial policy in or toward the city? (Note, by the way, that the tense is wrong, leading to more confusion.) Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:25, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

 * Also, about St. Anne's Church:

 * "It is a Gothic renaissance church"

 * What does that mean? Is it in part of one style and in part of another? According to Molo Church, it is "neogothic" and constructed in 1888, so I'm going to go with neo-Gothic, which is how we tend to spell that word here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:29, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

 * I'd just delete the first sentence you quote; it is not relevant to travel.
 * For the church, neo-gothic is fine. Pashley (talk) 13:31, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

 * Thanks. Deleted. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:51, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Imatra

Russian?
On Finland, it says that Russian is spoken in Imatra, but this article doesn't say much on the use of Russian (русский) in Imatra. Is it worth mentioning it here or not? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:31, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

 * I have no personal experience and no friends living there, but my impression is there are lots of Russians tourists in any town this close to the border, business owners know being able to serve in Russian is important, and so is the youth, and have been for more than twenty years; I suppose Russian is a popular fourth language in the schools (after Finnish, English and Swedish; in my school here in Turku some 4/5 of pupils chose a fourth language in 8th grade) and thus known by a significant share of young adults. I know many shops (and probably hotels) are able to provide service in Russian, but I don't know at what level, and I don't know how well you can make yourself understood in Russian outside shops. –LPfi (talk) 15:09, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

 * Yes, many hospitality services and shops in southeastern Finland cater to Russian visitors (at least pre-pandemic) who come to shop for western goods and "to stay abroad".
 * In addition it's common for Finnish people from there to pop across the border, at least in part attracted by very cheap fuel, alcohol and tobacco (whereas going to Russia is a bit more of a "special thing" for other Finns, partly due to the visa requirement). I've understood it's quite common for people in that corner of Finland to hold one year visas to Russia allowing them to come and go as they like, and that Russian is studied notably more than elsewhere in Finland. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:38, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

 * In addition there is a significant Russian minority, 4% (much less in Finland overall). These are quite new immigrants, as immigration From Russia to Finland was near zero between the wave of refugees after the 1917 revolution and the beginning collapse of the Soviet Union around 1990. For Finland overall, about half the immigrants are from ethnic minorities, such as Ingrians, but I assume most Russophones in Imatra are ethnic Russians.
 * For some reason I cannot find any statistics on Russian proficiency by municipality (is there any?), nor statistics on language studies in Imatra. Most news about Russian or Russians in Finland is about Lappeenranta, very little about Imatra.
 * –LPfi (talk) 06:29, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Imlil

Lots of useful info in the history!
It's not very encyclopedic, but there's loads of good stuff in the June 2006 version. For some reason Windhorse deleted almost all the info and his/her changes were never undone. Advise someone pick through: http://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Imlil&oldid=294604 and put back in the best bits! (including the photo!)

Places to stay

 * Please could someone describe the pensions available if they've been there
 * Also what year was the flood

I think the flood was in 1995, and the page has been updated as such.

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Talk:Inaccessible Island

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Merge Proposal
Support - article states that this destination can only be visited as a day trip from Tristan da Cunha and that you cannot sleep here. (WT-en) Tarr3n 05:10, 18 March 2010 (EDT)

Merge into Tristan da Cunha. This is not an article. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 05:47, 18 March 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Inca Trail

Any Wikivoyagers have experience with a good tour program for the Inca Trail? - EricDerKonig
 * I went with Peru Treks and was quite happy. The food and personal gear they provided was excellent.  The guides were terrible, unable or unwilling to lead the group, or do much else.  This didn't really bother me;  in fact, I was more amused than annoyed (I would have preferred to do the trip without a guide anyways). (WT-en) Ryleyb 13:42, 2 February 2007 (EST)

I also went with Peru Treks in 2005 and was very happy; our chief guide was excellent. —The preceding comment was added by 161.40.232.2 (talk • contribs) 18:19, 19 March 2010

To Guide
User:Nbarth has greatly improved this article. Let's talk about what further improvements are needed for this article to be a Guide and eligible for nomination for Featured Travel Topic. The most obvious needed addition is a map. I think it could really use more images, too.

What else? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:37, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

 * I've added some more pictures and more details in the "Go" section. I agree that a map would be good. Beyond that, I think the article looks pretty complete. Itinerary status only mentions maps for star status, not for guide status, so could it be that this article is already at guide level? (Also pinging User:Hobbitschuster, who has been looking for potential FTTs lately.) —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:45, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

 * A map would be a good idea and some of the bullet point lists might work better as flowing text... Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:53, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

 * I'd love to see this one on the Main Page someday. The article does need a map and geotags, and it looks a bit "uneven" with a lot of subheadings and bullet points, but again, tour operators (which may need to be pruned per Ikan's comment in the thread below) and the gear checklist are best listed with bullet points. Also, we have to check if things are up to date (2012 and 2013 are mentioned in the article). ϒpsilon (talk) 11:44, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

 * I think I've addressed all these issues. Thoughts? —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:02, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Tour operator listings
If there are "about 200 companies, [and] many are bad", we risk having all of them list themselves. This seems like an obvious example of such a "self-listing". Presuming that the "dozen well-respected companies" (now 16) are well-curated, should we delete all the ones that were added since that phrase was inserted? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:47, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

 * I've removed all the later additions except for Alpaca (whose quality I can vouch for). —Granger (talk · contribs) 16:50, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Incheon's Chinatown

Incheon's Chinatown
Not big or distinct enough to be a destination, already merged back into Incheon. (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:18, 4 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Redirect to Incheon. -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:22, 11 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Duly redirected. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:16, 19 August 2006 (EDT)

title: Talk:Incheon's Chinatown


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Talk:Independence (California)

Isn't there a fairly famous Independence in Missouri? I think we need a disambig here. --(WT-en) Evan 21:08, 26 Sep 2004 (EDT)

title: Talk:Independence (California)