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Talk:Ypacarai

VFD Discussion

 * Delete According to our policy that places where you can't sleep, its need to be deleted. (WT-en) Jc8136 11:40, 2 April 2012 (EDT)
 * That's not a policy; it's a rule of thumb designed to distinguish communities (which get articles) from attractions (which do not, usually). Ypacarai is clearly a community, and the fact that its hotel is no longer open doesn't change it from being worthy of an article to being unworthy of one.  (WT-en) LtPowers 21:10, 2 April 2012 (EDT)
 * I concur with LtPowers. This is not an attraction, it is a charming community. It would be a shame to remove it, thereby making more people leave it off a road tour around the lake. 190.23.92.124 18:19, 6 April 2012 (EDT)
 * Me too. I'd call it an obvious keep. (WT-en) Pashley 22:43, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

Result: Kept. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:05, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

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Talk:Ypres

This article contained lots of references to "Flemish-speaking" people and a "Flemish language". I have changed them all to Dutch since there is no Flemish language. We speak Dutch, and to call it Flemish is seen by most as a belittling insult. —The preceding comment was added by 84.197.33.214 (talk • contribs) 07:50, 31 January 2007

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Talk:Ypsilanti

Status upgrade, please.
I don't think that this travel guide is an outline anymore. – (WT-en) CurvyEthyl 00:46, 2 October 2010 (EDT)

 * Yes. Please go ahead and upgrade it to "usable". – (WT-en) Vidimian 02:01, 2 October 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Yucatán and the South

 * see also: Talk:Yucatán and the South/Archive

Renaming
An unregistered editor has pointed out correctly that Chiapas is not in the Yucatan Peninsula. I am proposing to rename the region to better reflect its make-up in this discussion on the Mexico talk page. Please comment there. Ground Zero (talk) 12:58, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Yucatán
My issues with the current wording is that a large part of the introduction now discusses a rather trivial geographic fact that's not even covered on the Yucatan page. The fact that they are physically located in CA doesn't matter to tourist. No travel guide to Mexico describes the Yucatan and Chiapas as being part of Central America. Other transcontinental countries like Indonesia don't cover in the region summaries if they're in another continent.Gati123 (talk) 18:40, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I respectfully disagree; the fact that Mexican travel guides don't mention it makes this factual info much more important to Wikivoyage. I care not for other travel guides' completeness and accuracy, but I care very much about Wikivoyage's completeness and accuracy. As a traveller, I care very much about geology and botany and zoology, and this "closeness" to Guatemala and Belize is one of the reasons I would decide to travel there. Ibaman (talk) 19:16, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Respectfully, Wikivoyage is not 'Ibaman's voyage'. My edits conveyed that the region has cultural differences with the rest of mexico. But the region summaries should reflect the article contents and neither the the yucatan or the chiapas articles discuss the regions of being part of CA. Again the fact that CA begins at the Isthmus of Tehuantepec isn't a settles fact either, encyclopediaa brittanica says "Geologists and physical geographers sometimes extend the northern boundary to the Isthmus of Tehuantepec in Mexico." Wikipedia says 'Some physiographists define the Isthmus of Tehuantepec as the northern geographic border of Central America,[7] while others use the northwestern borders of Belize and Guatemala'. If this isn't widely accepted as a fact, I don't see this being so important to the region as warranting an inclusion in a summary. It could be discussed in the region article. Gati123 (talk)
 * I don't claim and have never claimed to "own" Wikivoyage. I have the opinion that this information belongs in the region list; you have a different opinion. You and me alone are unlikely to achieve consensus. I wish other members of Wikivoyage could contribute to the discussion. However, thinking about "Mayan archaeological tourism" and "the (former?) Mayan ecosystem", I'm very sure it's valid to correlate Yucatán, Guatemala and Belize, and that correlation matters to the traveller. And, by the way, I happen to have a daytime job of an environmental protection nature, and know what I'm talking about, a matter of touristic importance, oh yes it is. Ibaman (talk) 20:02, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Should we move this to the article talk page then?
 * Good idea. Ibaman (talk) 21:44, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, a lot of the Understand section seems to consist of unimportant trivia that is not very relevant to the traveler. How could this be improved? ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I disagree that the Understand section consists of unimportant trivia. Could you identify the specific points that you think should be removed? Ground Zero (talk) 03:06, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree that it needs a rewrite and it doesn't really seem like a cohesive text. I can rewrite some but it seems like some geological and cultural facts mixed together.

The lede and "Understand"
The lede and "Understand" sections would be fine if this article were only about the Yucatán, but it's not. If anyone would like to make a stab at including the other states covered in this article, I'd be happy to look over it and proofread it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, the more I look through this article, the more apparent it's a Yucatán article with a few other states appended to it and given short shrift. Look at "Talk" and "Go next", for example. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion
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 * Chicxulub-Anomaly.jpg

 * Not our problem. Nomination was "Because the license is incorrect - none of the data appears to have come from the USGS and there is no indication that the image is in the public domain ". -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:56, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

 * It looks like we may have to upload it locally if we want to use it, since Commons requires commercial use to be acceptable. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Removed mention of Paquime airport
The article previously had the following text:

In Palenque Interjet is the only airline to offer twice or thrice daily flights from Mexico City to which is the closest airport to Palenque and Ocosingo.

I removed that entry because Interjet went bust, leaving PQM as an orphan airport with no commercial service. Mrkstvns (talk) 20:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Yucatán

I changed this page from being a redirect to Yucatan Peninsula to being the main page for the state. The unaccented version is used in English for the state, and I'm pretty sure that it's the better name here. --(WT-en) Evan 11:38, 10 Dec 2005 (EST)

State vs. Peninsula
Is any of the material on this page applicable to the entire Yucatan Peninsula, rather than just the state of Yucatan? If so, that article would be a better place for it. -(WT-en) Todd VerBeek 11:17, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

Yes, a lot of it would be applicable to The Peninsula. However, the Peninsula is a much bigger place, (3 States) Yucatán, Campeche, and Quintana Roo. Plus the Yucatan Peninsula article is so well written, I did not want to disturb much. (WT-en) 2old 12:26, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Yulara

First person account of the lodge
Here's some of the info about the Outback Lodge:
 * Within the lodge part of the resort there was: a pool, a pool table, gift shop, a bar ($12 per jug of VB), bottle shop open until 9pm (unsure of prices), a restaurant, a guest kitchen if you had bought your own food, and a 'cook your own' barbie where you can purchase a variety of meat or fish, cook it yourself, and then help yourself to the all you can eat salads, side dishes and sauces. Cost between $23 and $27 depending on what meat you had - very good value when you see what sides you get with it all - a meal fit for a king!

I'm not sure which part of this refers to the lodge itself, most seems to be about the area around the lodge. Here to be mined, anyway -- (WT-en) Hypatia 09:12, 4 Nov 2004 (EST)

National Jet Systems
I've removed the reference to national jet systems, in the interest of the traveller, who books through qantas, checks in at qantas, sees a qantas flight crew, and boards a qantas painted plane. --(WT-en) Inas 19:10, 3 May 2009 (EDT)

Driving on left
"Vehicles drive on the left, but there isn't much in the way of traffic in the area - people accustomed to driving on the right can probably manage it." I have removed this remark because (a) it was misleading - low traffic density can actually pose a greater risk than higher density for drivers used to driving on the "wrong" side, (b) what was true about the statement applies to all of the Australian outback (if not all of Australia) and is not specific to this area. --(WT-en) Yen Zotto 10:05, 5 November 2009 (EST)

Merge
I think we should get rid of this and keep one Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park article. This just spreads the info on multiple articles, while Yulara is just a service town for that destination. It's not a destination on its own. (WT-en) Globe-trotter 21:17, 22 December 2009 (EST)
 * Oppose – sure, but the park article is specifically centred towards Uluru and Kata Tjuta while this is centred towards accommodation and facilities. Surely we're not going to merge El Portal into Yosemite National Park just because El Portal is right next door. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:27, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Banner
Yes, I know, another boring aerial image of the town but the French Wikivoyage uses this banner and it looks nicer IMO (disclaimer: I cropped the fr.voy banner). -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 06:27, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Yunnan

What's in a name?
Someone recently added a page titled Honghe Hani and Yi Autonomous Prefecture, and links to it here. I think that should just be "Honghe", or perhaps "Honghe Prefecture" since our policy is to use the commonest English name for titles. e.g. We have Guangxi not "Guangxi Zhang Autonomous Region". There are a bunch of these; I think they should all be shortened. I'd already shortened several before it occurred to me to ask for comment first. (WT-en) Pashley 02:40, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

Map error?
The map in this article shows Deqin south of Shangrila. My memory of the area, Wikipedia & the OSM maps all say it is much further north, almost at the tip of Yunnan.

Also, could the two major hiking areas mentioned in Yunnan tourist trail — Tiger Leaping Gorge and Three Parallel Rivers National Park — be added to the map? Pashley (talk) 19:42, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Looks like Google Maps has (in addition to the city label) a label for Deqin Prefecture south of Shangrila, and since both labels say "Deqin" followed by Chinese characters, it's confusing. I've updated the map, though the Northwestern subregion is pretty crowded.  (I'm also having trouble uploading the modified SVG.)  Powers (talk) 01:00, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Thanks for getting it sorted! Texugo (talk) 01:26, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

"Cities" section
Up to 9 cities can be listed, per Avoid long lists. I just removed the non-alphabetical ones added at the end, but there is still one red-linked one.

Is the current list of 9 good, or should one of the other ones be substituted? Here was the longer list:

 * - the provincial capital, nicknamed "Spring City"
 * - backpacker central, hippie's heaven; ancient walled city
 * - ancient town of Naxi Minority, an UNESCO World Heritage site
 * (formerly Zhongdian) - largely Tibetan, with a famous Buddhist monastery
 * - largely Tibetan, at 3,500 meters, close to Meili Snow Mountain
 * - largest city in Xishuangbanna, tropical tourist area
 * - border town, next to Myanmar
 * - the southernmost prefecture in Yunnan province. The local Hani Rice Terraces were listed as World Culture Heritage sites in 2016.
 * - the southernmost prefecture in Yunnan province. The local Hani Rice Terraces were listed as World Culture Heritage sites in 2016.
 * - the southernmost prefecture in Yunnan province. The local Hani Rice Terraces were listed as World Culture Heritage sites in 2016.
 * - the southernmost prefecture in Yunnan province. The local Hani Rice Terraces were listed as World Culture Heritage sites in 2016.

Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:45, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Yurihonjo

In rural Japan there are no street addresses, and even locals don't know street names. As best I know, half the streets don't even have names. So if there's no GPS information, I don't see a good way of describing where these places are. If you wanna remove the GPS information, please first tell me how I'm supposed to describe these locations. Otherwise, the page only gets less useful. 203.179.254.218 06:40, 15 December 2009 (EST)

 * As per the external links policy, map services should not be linked to, because the idea is to have the information in the guide -- particularly so that it can be printed out and carried around. If there's no useful address (and often even if there is), then add directions.  You've already been doing this, which in most cases is all that's needed.

 * Today, the lat/long fields in listing entries are woefully underused, to the best of my knowledge. I'd like to think it should be integrated with offline reading apps for devices with geolocation functions, but I'm not aware of any such creation yet.  (Suitable devices in general are hard to find today, especially ones with true GPS rather than triangulating off of multiple cell towers... not an option in the boonies where there aren't enough towers for that.)  Even if such apps were already available, having several dozen eight-digit coordinate pairs per article in text won't be helpful -- who wants to punch in that many coordinates manually? -- whereas directions are helpful for everyone.   - (WT-en) D. Guillaime 02:26, 16 December 2009 (EST)

 * Thanks for the clarification! (WT-en) Orcrist 07:08, 16 December 2009 (EST)
 * m.wikivoyage.org has shown lat and long for some time now, so my old comments no longer have relevance. --(WT-en) Orcrist 08:20, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

Addresses
In the cases where the addresses are included, I think priority should be given to romaji, that is, don't include information in Japanese without providing the pronunciation. Otherwise, it is difficult for the non-Japanese-reader to spot places that are in the same neighborhood, and the only use to them would be to show the physical printed page to a taxi driver.(WT-en) Texugo 07:52, 6 April 2010 (EDT)

 * I'll try to fill in romaji where I know it. (WT-en) Orcrist 10:48, 28 June 2010 (EDT)

 * Is it good to have addresses only in romaji, or in both kanji and romaji? 211.120.119.94 01:18, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
 * Apparently just romaji is good. See Wikivoyage_talk:Romanization. (WT-en) Orcrist 08:19, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

 * At the moment all of the addresses are in romaji, though as new listings are added that could change. That being said, most map sources don't show the (small) place names in romaji.  Google Maps does an OK job but generally doesn't let you search in romaji, and I've added all of the current towns, villages, and hamlets to OpenStreetMap, which does let you search in romaji.  So if you're trying to find where these obscure places are  — many locals won't know many of the hamlet names — please try OpenStreetMap (or use GPS). --(WT-en) Orcrist 08:24, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

Outline
Is this page an outline? 203.179.254.218 06:32, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
 * No, I would say it is at guide level, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 09:46, 5 August 2010 (EDT)

Featured article?
What does this article need to be nominated at Dotm? /Yvwv (talk) 09:35, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It looks like most of the listings were imported from Wikitravel more than ten years ago, and have only been adjusted for formatting issues. None of the listings has a date stamp. Are any of them still open? I don't think we should feature an article full of old information. Ground Zero (talk) 12:55, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk

What else (besides a map, which i'm hard at work on) does this page need before I can upgrade to guide status? (yeah I know, I could just do it - but i'd like a second opinion) (WT-en) Sertmann 19:52, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

 * Hours information for the restaurants and museums is key. Aside from that, the buy section is empty and needs at the very least prose telling visitors where to buy souvenirs. That would be enough to get it to guide status (the map wouldn't even be necessary, that's icing on the cake). I'd love to see this get to guide status, and the other destinations on the island up to usable—then we could nominate Sakhalin for OtBP. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 00:43, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Yzerfontein

The text on this page appears to be copied mostly from http://www.yzerfontein.info with a few minor edits. (WT-en) Xltel 11:25, 26 Jan 2006 (EST)

Quite correct. http://www.yzerfontein.info belongs to me.
 * A check of whois for the domain confirms that is does in fact belong to you. Thank you for your contribution. -- (WT-en) Xltel 05:34, 27 Jan 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Zaandam

Don't merge. See Talk:Zaanstreek about merge with Zaanse Schans --(WT-en) Rein N. 08:42, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Zaanse Schans

Previously this article mentioned that boats could be taken in from Amsterdam. I visited April 24, 2013 and did extensive research, and it seems that there is no longer a boat option. (WT-en) lalava 16:16, 27 April 2013 (EST)

The page lists "This page may not meet the Wikivoyage criteria for a separate article, and should be merged into Zaandam". However, since the Zaanse Schans (museum/popular tourist attraction) is really something different than Zaandam (a relatively unknown city), I think it separate a seperate page. (WT-en) Barendnu 14:54, 20 February 2010 (EST)

More info on this entry can be found here: (WT-en) Fastestdogever 17:46, 11 February 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Zaanstad

Comments
Can we combine 3 poor articles into 1 good one? The average foreigner wouldn't know the difference between Zaanse Schans, Zaandam and Zaanstreek? (WT-en) Babbelas 11:09, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Zaanstreek

Don't merge Zaanstreek and Zaanstad into Zaanse Schans because they will not fit in:

 * The Zaanstreek contains one city, Zaandam, and several towns/villages along the river the Zaan north of Amsterdam. Many of them bare the name of the river Zaan in them, like "Koog aan de Zaan",

 * The Zaanse Schans is a location in the Zaanstreek, that is an aria, about the size of an city block, where some old but beautiful buildings like windmills were put together when whey where standing in "the way of progress" in the past century. I'm not sure one can sleep at Zaanse Schans, because it isn't an attraction park. One can't bay one ticket for all, if I am not mistaken.

If kept apart, the trail can be Netherlands : North-Holland : Zaansteek : Zaandam : Zaanse Schans, --(WT-en) Rein N. 08:41, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Zagreb

Will update "sleep" section as soon as I find time. There are more hotels that can be listed (WT-en) HappyV 10:34, 29 Jan 2006 (EST)

For the time being, I have only found these photographs which are in public domain. When I find time I will take some myself and upload them. (WT-en) HappyV 08:51, 11 March 2006 (EST)

Budget hotels???
Hi, something is wrong with the definition of budget. Right now, budget starts at ***, but there should be * and ** as well as B&B available, which would suit that category better.62.131.79.6 05:49, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

I do not get around wikipedia but the map of the ZET trams are the following and please somebody put this link: http://www.zet.hr/tramvaj/dnevni.aspx

vegetarian
Are there any vegetarian restaurants in Zagreb ? Thanx, Lisa.

vegetarian restaurants
Happy Smile - Vlaška 79 web: www.vegehop.hr

Nova - Ilica 72

Sirion - Derenčinova 1 web: www.sirion.hr/restoran.aspx

Izvor - Zagorska 18

Croats open to homosexual behavior?
Well not really, I think whoever wrote this is either delusional or misguided. While Zagreb has an active gay scene and seven years of Gay Pride manifestations behind it, Croats are still not open to publicly expressing of affection of gay people. Even though most people would either not mind or just grumble and walk away, gay people are still targets for extremist groups or football fans and tourists should be aware of that. unsigned by 77.237.102.174
 * I modified this a bit. --Zblace (talk) 07:06, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Public Transportation
As for december-2009 I went to Zagreb and found out that the trams are very modern, actualy that very modern so the passengers can use a chip card to pay the fare. It gets troublesome in the newer tram cars because these may only have one validating machine for paper tickets. When the cars are overcrowded with passengers it is impossible to get to the paper ticket validating machine and I am not sure where it is in front or back. Also it is the same problem with buses. So how do we solve this? Is it an idea to add this to the page? --(WT-en) Damian 01:27, 28 December 2009 (EST)

Help
Hi, friends! I'm Bonzg and I need help. I come from Zagreb and I want make article about my neighborhood Trnje. Can I do that? Please,can you help me? Thank you very much! Bonzg (talk) 12:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

 * Yes, that's possible. You'd have to "district-ify" the Zagreb article, which is a little complicated to do. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:43, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

 * To elaborate: If you believe it is in the interest of travelers to divide Zagreb into a series of district articles on this site, you would need to explain on Talk:Zagreb why the article for the overall city would be too long to be user-friendly if it included all useful listings for the city, post a proposal listing all the districts you'd divide the city into and their boundaries, and give readers a sense of about how many "See" and "Do", "Eat" and "Drink", and "Sleep" listings each district would be likely to have.

 * Looking at the Zagreb article, my feeling is that it's sizable but not so long that it's clear to me that the city needs to be districtified like, say, Tokyo or London, but if you have a clear idea, make a proposal.

 * Your other option is simply to add information about your neighborhood to all the relevant sections of the Zagreb article, which would be great! Please post listings of your favorite sights, restaurants, bars, etc. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:12, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

 * In addition to what Ikan said, does Trnje on its own have enough to offer visitors so that it would merit its own article? Except for cities that have a massive number of attractions, we usually districtify cities like this: a couple of central district articles (with a much higher density of attractions), and then the rest of the city are divided into something like North, South, East, West (where an individual neighborhood may have just one or two interesting thing). --Ypsilon (talk) 16:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

 * It seems (from the current article and its dynamic map) that Trnje covers only a small area of the centre and is not an important tourist district. Thus I think it would be better to list the interesting places in Trnje rather than to describe Trnje as such. –LPfi (talk) 16:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Adding more information straight into Zagreb would be the easiest way to start. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:46, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Zakinthos

I moved this page to the correct spelling of "Zakinthos". There's some people that say "Zakynthos", but I think this is more common. Nobody seems to say "Zakintos" at all, which is where it was before. -- (WT-en) Evan 13:21, 14 Nov 2003 (PST)

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Talk:Zakynthos

Sartorial experience
Drinkers looking for a more sartorial experience are advised to check out bars in Zakynthos town. So, do they have tailors in these bars? --(WT-en) Evan 13:30, 5 March 2006 (EST)

Is there meant to be so much company advertising in a Wikivoyage article ... ?

 * Wikivoyage is for the traveller and not for the tout. Feel free to plunge forward and fix anything that lies outside of policy.  I've tidied some stuff up.  --(WT-en) Inas 22:06, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Merge and Redirect
There were 2 articles for this destination, listed as "Zakinthos" and "Zakynthos". I think this is the more commonly used spelling so I've redirected "Zakinthos" to point here, after having moved across a couple of things that were listed on that article and not this one. (WT-en) Tarr3n 07:46, 11 March 2010 (EST)

Discussion of whether the entries in the "Sleep" section should all be deleted
This discussion is copied from User talk:94.64.150.97 and User talk:Ikan Kekek for the purpose of reaching a consensus, so please comment on the content of our discussion:

Hi. Was there a specific reason why you blanked the entire "Sleep" section of the Zakynthos article? I could understand if you moved all the listings to guides for individual towns within the island and then deleted them at the island-wide level, or if you deleted touty entries, but do tell us if you actually had specific plans that could explain your action. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:23, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

I blanked it because

Don't tout. Wikivoyage is a site for travelers, not for marketing, and promotional listings will be removed. This guideline identifies ways for businesses to contribute constructively. In particular, please do not ever add more than one listing for a business. —The preceding comment was added by User:Manoli (talk • contribs)

 * I just did a lot of detouting. Look now. Deleting the entire sleep section is overly extreme, in my view. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:49, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ikan If everybody will leave advertisings for some villas or apartments, the sleep section will be filled with advertising spam. The whole sleep section is a copy and paste product. The same you will find here:

http://www.todaytourism.com/travel-guides/Zakynthos-travel-guide.html?section=Sleep and under other URL's

[...]Have a look for Exemple to wikivoyage "Mallorca" - there is no adveretising spam in the sleep section. If they start there the same it will filled up with thousands of entrys. —The preceding comment was added by User:Manoli (talk • contribs)

 * Thanks. The link to the Zakynthos Sleep site does persuade me that you have a good argument for deleting all the "Sleep" entries in the Zakynthos article, but the mere fact that entries are listed in multiple places is no proof that they are not worthy of being listed (although, obviously, copyright violation is an issue). So in order to reach a consensus, which consists of more than two people having a discussion, I will copy and paste this discussion to Talk:Zakynthos.[...]Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:04, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Everyone, please comment on the issues of whether evident copyvio and arguable touting justify nuking all entries from the "Sleep" section en masse. Thanks, everyone! Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:11, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Listings look the same here and on todaytourism.com (and probably several other places) because they were copied from the same source - WT. They are pretty touty but some of them should stay. Jjtk (talk) 20:16, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi! I checked earlier discussions and i suggest that we take Koh Samui as a role model. No sleeping listings in the main article (except rare cases where there is no local article) and we break them down in the beach/town articles. jan (talk) 10:09, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Also there is no consensus on Apartment listings. I would oppose them as it is hard to see the real houses and there is an abundance of hotels. jan (talk) 10:10, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That sounds good to me, Jan. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:01, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Zambia

great
I'm just back from spending a year in rural zambia and i found this site, while aimlessly browsing the net for info on zambia(reverse homesickness??) and i really like it. as far as i can tell all of the info is correct. —The preceding comment was added by 134.130.119.136 (talk • contribs) 14:17, 24 March 2006

Size of Texas?
Maybe I'm suffering of lack of depth perception with my old age, but it doesn't look to be the size of Texas, as according to the first paragraph?

 * It's just slightly bigger than Texas. Zambia: 752,614 km2, Texas: 696,241 km2 --(WT-en) Nick 15:07, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * That's because the maps we use as standard European sea trade maps, for perspective see http://flowingdata.com/2010/10/18/true-size-of-africa/ Alabandit (talk) 13:36, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Regions
As we need to create a map for this country, what would be sensible travel regions? --(WT-en) globe-trotter 09:11, 24 January 2010 (EST)

 * Zambia is vast and also one of the more important countries for travellers in Africa. There are 9 provinces which is not a bad starting point. This topo map is very helpful when trying to figure out the geography. I would propose something like:

 * Northern Plateau (Northern and Luapula Provinces) - high plateaus with lots in common culturally and geographically with DR Congo, Rwanda and Burundi

 * East (Eastern Province) - lower elevations with two major national parks. Could call this region Luangwa Valley but that also description also applies to part of the Northern region.

 * Zambezi Basin (Western, North Western and Southern Provinces) - lots of visitors due to Victoria Falls NP, but very remote in northern parts

 * Copperbelt (Copperbelt province) - relatively small region but this is the most densely populated and industrialised area. Not many tourists but lots of business visitors I would imagine.

 * Central (Central and Lusaka provinces) - several National Parks/Game Reserves and lots of visitors for that reason. Also the capital city.

 * Five might not be enough, but at least the discussion is underway! --(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:17, 24 January 2010 (EST)

 * I don't know a lot about Zambia, but this region breakup looks good. (WT-en) AHeneen 16:37, 24 January 2010 (EST)

 * Speaking with the vast wealth of knowledge gained from spending nearly one week in the country, the split sounds reasonable to me — it also corresponds roughly to the linguistic/tribal divisions (see People). (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:23, 25 January 2010 (EST)

 * That's about one week's knowledge more than the rest of us :). GT - are you going to do this map? Be great if you did. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 04:31, 25 January 2010 (EST)

 * Awesome, yes, I'll be working on Zambia. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 11:13, 25 January 2010 (EST)

 * Wouldn't it make sense to cut a piece of Northern Plateau and make the Luanda Valley one region? --(WT-en) globe-trotter 11:48, 25 January 2010 (EST)

 * Looking at the maps again, probably yes. But please do not call it Luanda as that is the capital of Angola:-). --(WT-en) Burmesedays 21:31, 25 January 2010 (EST)

 * Oops, I meant Luanga Valley! --(WT-en) globe-trotter 22:02, 25 January 2010 (EST)

 * I was looking at maps of Zambia at lunch today trying to figure out some regions... the five regions above match pretty closely to what I came up with. I like the idea of the Luanga Valley being its own region too. (WT-en) Shaund 22:36, 25 January 2010 (EST)

 * Are you talking about the Luangwa valley of South Luangwa National Park fame? It's very much part of the East if you ask me, the only remotely passable road in passes through Chipata and that's how most visitors arrive. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:08, 26 January 2010 (EST)

 * Yep that is an alternative spelling - the Luanga or Luangwa River. I think that would make a good, less bland name for that region. And the top of the valley which is in Northern Province can easily be absorbed into this region. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 01:18, 26 January 2010 (EST)

 * Yeah, just to clarify, I meant I support renaming the East region to "Luangwa Valley" (since it's the dominant feature) as opposed to making it a separate region from the East (I'm not if it was clear re-reading it!). (WT-en) Shaund 01:27, 26 January 2010 (EST)

 * I'm afraid I disagree. While "East" is a boring name, the area is locally universally known as the "Eastern Province", and most of its major towns (Chipata, Lundazi, Chama, etc) are not in the Luangwa valley, but along another valley near the Malawi border. (WT-en) Jpatokal 20:51, 26 January 2010 (EST)

 * That is good feedback from somebody who has actually visited the country and I suggest the name stays at East. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:11, 26 January 2010 (EST)

Zambia has a fairly evolved rail system and I suggest the network is shown on the map. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:10, 26 January 2010 (EST)

 * I think the name Luangwa Valley is better, most travelers go there to visit the national parks of the same name. A name doesn't necessarily have to cover exactly every part of the area, Bangkok/Khao San Road officially would have to be named Banglamphu, but most travelers go there for the Road itself, and most travellers would think of that name belong to the area. I think a similar situation applies here. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 23:24, 26 January 2010 (EST)

 * Here's a link to some railroad info which might be helpful. I hear what you're saying on a name doesn't necesarily have to cover exactly every part of an area. Although sometimes it works better than others and I don't know Zambia well enough to know if it would work here. Based on Jani's comment, I'd lean towards leaving the name as East. (WT-en) Shaund 00:02, 27 January 2010 (EST)

 * Another issue with East is that the Luangwa Valley and its national parks would be split into 2 separate regions (while for travel purposes it makes sense to place the valley in one region). --(WT-en) globe-trotter 09:25, 27 January 2010 (EST)

 * Both South and North Luangwa NPs are in practiced always accessed through east, so there is no need to put them in the Northern region. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:50, 27 January 2010 (EST)

 * Yes, but the national parks are located in the northern region if we follow province boundaries. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:32, 27 January 2010 (EST)

 * I think what Jani is saying is to have a region called East or Eastern which includes both the Luangwa National Parks, not to follow the Eastern Province administrative division.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:22, 27 January 2010 (EST)

 * That's right. We can just call it "Eastern Zambia", not "Eastern Province (Zambia)". (WT-en) Jpatokal 20:43, 27 January 2010 (EST)

Currency, time and spelling conventions
Below is a proposed infobox to let readers know which formatting conventions to use in Wikivoyage articles. Do you agree with these proposals? If you have direct knowledge of what is most commonly used in the country, please let us know. Ground Zero (talk) 14:15, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

 * Moved to the top of this article. Ground Zero (talk) 12:46, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Zamora (city)

Comments
The article naming conventions suggests that Zamora (Spain) is preferred over Zamora (city) as there is more than one city called Zamora. - (WT-en) Huttite 07:06, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

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Talk:Zanzibar

Comments
As a female traveling alone to Zanzibar are there any concerns I should know? I will be consulting with a health clinic there, but will be staying at a hotel and having my meals on my own. Any suggestions regarding places to avoid are appreciated.

Does anyone know how suitable the roads are for a mountain bike trip around the island?

 * When I was there over a year ago the roads were pretty terrible, but I think you could do it and it would certainly be interesting and beautiful. Some people rent scooters in Stone Town and go to the east beaches or tour around the southern half of the island, that's pretty common. The road that goes up to the north as I remember is pretty ok for about half the way, and then gets bumpier as you get north. But nothing you couldn't handle. I say do it, sounds like fun... – (WT-en) cacahuate   talk 22:20, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

Security
I recently stayed at the resort where the tourist was shot and asked the manager about it. She confirmed the incident, but explained that their is very little THEY can do to prevent it from reoccurring: Arming their guards would not only be illegal, but may also increase gun related incidents. Building a wall between the beach and the resort would be absurd.

I'm taking her word that crime is now under control after the suspect was shot and killed by police at another resort. From my experience of dealing with security incidents in South Africa, I know that the best way to fight crime is on a macro level: Governments and in some extreme cases residents associations and business associations. -- nroets@gmail.com (WT-en) Nic 13:45, 6 July 2011 (EDT)

 * I also think it was good that you got rid of the specific hotel mention. Saying "Don't ever stay at this hotel" is a very strong statement and 2 incidents at a hotel by the same person (who was later shot dead) is not enough reason to label a specific hotel as being SO unsafe that we have to name it. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 14:54, 6 July 2011 (EDT)

Currently it isn't clear whether the Zanzibar article focuses on the main island in the Zanzibar archipelago, or on the entire archipelago (75 islands)
I'm currently working on the expansion of the parallel article on the Hebrew Wikivoyage because I noticed this is a main tourist destination for Israelis these days.

While working on translating content to Hebvoy I noticed that the Engvoy Zanzibar article has a main problem - it is currently unclear if the creator of the article intended it to focus on the entire Zanzibar archipelago (which consists of 75 islands) or only on the main island of the archipelago.

On the one hand, the intro clearly states "....Zanzibar is semi-autonomous archipelago off the coast of....", but on the other hand, the map shown in the article is only of the main island of the archipelago, but on the other hand the Wikipedia link in the sidebar sends the readers to a Wikipedia article about the entire Zanzibar archipelago, but on the other hand the majority of the content is only about stuff in the main island AND we have a separate article about the second biggest island in the archipelago, AND in our main Tanzania regions map only the main island in the Zanzibar archipelago is marked as "Zanzibar".

So what do you think this article should be about - only on the main island, or on the entire archipelago? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 21:35, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

 * It looks like our Zanzibar article only covers the main island. The lede of the article mentions (and links to) Pemba Island as another part of the archipelago, but for purposes of the breadcrumb hierarchy Pemba is covered in an entirely different region of Tanzania, namely Pembwe and the Southeast. I think some copyedits ought to be made to the Zanzibar article to clarify this point. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:43, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

 * The article does indeed currently seem to be mostly about the main island of the Zanzibar archipelago, nevertheless, it seems to me that when tourists talk about "Zanzibar" they mostly refer to the entire entire archipelago (for example, see the "Zanzibar" article in Wikipedia), and therefore I currently tend to prefer that we'll fix this article so that it would be about the entire Zanzibar archipelago (by merging the content of the article Pemba Island into this article + fixing the rest of the issues I mentioned above). What do you guys think of that option ? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 21:48, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

 * It seems sensible to me for there to be some kind of article about the whole archipelago, in view of its historical importance and separate identity before the merger with Tanganyika to form Tanzania. Whether it makes more sense to breadcrumb Pemba and an article concentrating on Zanzibar Island to an island about the whole archipelago or have an archipelago article as an extra-region, though, I really don't know off the top of my head. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:55, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

 * The Wikipedia article linked suggests that when people refer to "Zanzibar", they're usually talking about just Unguja (the main island). That was my thought as well, before clicking the link. How many of the islands are able to be visited by tourists or likely to be visited by tourists? Making it a region wouldn't make much sense if only two of the islands have things to do/see and attract tourists. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 16:41, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * This appears still to be an issue. --Traveler100 (talk) 07:18, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

A note on the slave market
This is a good article, but there is a small error in the slave market section - "the atrocities committed there by the Oman Arab and British slave traders.". The British traded plenty of slaves, but in west Africa - never in Zanzibar (indeed, according to Wikipedia: "The United Kingdom's early interest in Zanzibar was motivated by both commerce and the determination to end the slave trade. In 1822, the British signed the first of a series of treaties with Sultan Said to curb this trade. Under strong British pressure, the slave trade was officially abolished in 1876, but slavery itself remained legal in Zanzibar until 1897").

I will modify this as I think we can all agree it's important to be accurate when describing such atrocities. 2A00:23C7:4890:7701:EC37:B15A:DC36:CD59 10:45, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Replace "Unguja" with "Zanzibar"
I notice we use "Unguja" on this page and in other pages in order to make a distinction between the two large islands of the Zanzibar archipelago (as discussed above), where Unguja is the main Zanzibar island as opposed to Pemba Island. I don't think we should do this. Unguja is not commonly used, neither locally (outside of official contexts) nor among travellers or local travel providers. If you ask your dhow captain, for example, to take you to "Zanzibar", you will go to the main island; if you ask them to take you to "Pemba", you will go to Pemba Island. In other words, yes, politically Zanzibar the province is organised into the islands as the "Zanzibar" archipelago, but in both the local and traveller lexicon, "Zanzibar" is the common name for the main island. Wikivoyage using "Unguja" is confusing, as it is not (or rarely) used by our travel-oriented audience. Moreover, our hierarchy doesn't even support the distinction currently (and nor should it) – we simply have Zanzibar and Pemba. I propose that we instead use "Zanzibar" to refer to Unguja, "Pemba" to refer to Pemba, and in the rare cases that we have to talk about the political entity we use "Zanzibar Province" or "Zanzibar Archipelago". Brycehughes (talk) 08:58, 7 November 2023 (UTC) Thanks all. I updated the page. Brycehughes (talk) 05:31, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia also notes that Unguja is colloquially called "Zanzibar". Let's use the common name. Ground Zero (talk) 09:38, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 11:33, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I also agree. We should likely mention "Unguja" once in the lede text, but that is all. Pashley (talk) 14:12, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Zaouia d'Ifrane

VFD Discussion
A village of 2,000 only 2 miles from Ifrane (despite what the article now says, every map I can find shows it to be 2 miles WNW of Ifrane). Doesn't seem to have it's own lodgings. Small enough that it doesn't even have a mention on Wikipedia.
 * Redirect to Ifrane - (WT-en) Texugo 09:27, 19 January 2011 (EST)

This is a different Zaouia d'Ifrane. The proper name is Zaouiate Oued Ifrane, but nobody actually calls it that, but i guess i will change the title of the town to that since I am about to be deleted and i just started! I live in this village, I am a Peace Corps volunteer trying to promote eco-tourism to this village so please don't delete it! —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 41.140.138.136 (talk • contribs)
 * I see. OK, so, a village of 500-1000 people? French Wikipedia has very little information and Yahoo Maps points to an unlabeled spot with no roads visible, and both refer to it as only Oued Ifrane. Does it have accommodations? restaurants? If there are things to see, don't you think it's better to describe them than to just say "you'll know when you get there"? (Who is going to decide to go to a place based on that kind of recommendation?) (WT-en) Texugo 11:05, 19 January 2011 (EST)

 * Hold, It has a Sleep section with a place to stay. Give the person a chance to make it worth keeping. Say a month? (negotiable) • • • (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 01:35, 20 January 2011 (EST)
 * No problem with that. It's not the place I was actually vfd'ing, and has been subsequently renamed.(WT-en) Texugo 10:06, 20 January 2011 (EST)

Result: Redirected to Zaouiate Oued Ifrane. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:44, 15 March 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Zaqatala

phone numbers
Hotel number are using old area codes. --Traveler100 (talk) 19:14, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:Zaqatala


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Talk:Zaragoza

Expo (World's Fair) 2008
Come on guys!!! This is the Expo 2008 location! The World's Fair will be here between June and September of 2008, so please put up something more substantial! Where should we stay? Eat? Historical sites? I'm no local, but I'm definitely interested...

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Talk:Zavkhan

Wikipedia spells it as Zavhan, with a redirect from Zavkhan. Which is the more common spelling? — (WT-en) Ravikiran 22:44, 18 March 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Zaza

vfd discussion

 * Copyvio from Wikipedia - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zazaki also previous copyvio http://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Zazaisch_Phrasebook&diff=306114&oldid=306113
 * I have redirected to Zazaisch Phrasebook, which you've helpfully corrected. Thanks! — (WT-en) Ravikiran 10:52, 11 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Keep as a redirect. -- (WT-en) Ryan 17:19, 11 September 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Zealand

I added the new cities, that will be the municipalities after the new 2006 structure. These are bigger (>20000) than than in the old structure and well suited for Wikivoyage. --(WT-en) elgaard 18:18, 27 Nov 2005 (EST)
 * I changed to the concencus listing of 7+2 cities, opting to include Nykøbing Falster over Holbæk out of geographical reasons. (WT-en) Sertmann 06:02, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Zeeland

I've added some information on the get in and get around section. I also removed some of the info about Veerse meer since it was mentioned 3 times, including in the introduction (my earlier edits were reverted). I also removed the info on bicycle baths around Middelburg and Veerse Meer since there is nothing realy special about that, because the whole province has bicycle paths along dikes, waters etc incl Oosterschelde. There should be a website with information on bicycle routes in Zeeland, I'll try to find it and link to it in the near future. --(WT-en) WallyTheWalrus 17:54, 27 July 2009 (EDT)

Recently added regions
I'm not convinced the recently added regions-list is what we should be aiming for. It looks like these six regions are far too many subregions at this point, making it harder for users to navigate. The nine previously linked cities weren't even all blue links. Most of the regions now only have a few destinations under them. Tholen is linked as a subregion but the article is a city article for Tholen (city). Noord-Beveland is now listed as a region too, but is, in reality, a municipality with some 7000 inhabitants and no specific interest to travellers. Of course we need to be flexible with rural areas, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to create regions with no real destinations within, I think. I understand that this division seems natural because of the islands, and the map looks nice this way, but I don't think we're serving the traveller... JuliasTravels (talk) 19:55, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

 * Hey Julias, I totally get where you're coming from - in fact, I'm not that sure of the regions myself. I may very well rework the regions to be no more than three: 1) Schouwen-Duiveland and Tholen, 2)Greater Beveland (Noord-, Zuid-Beveland and Walcheren) and 3) Zeeuws-Vlaanderen. I've got about a week to my disposal right now to work on these articles, and I was planning to take the same approach as ErwinFCG took when adding to Groningen. The regions, in short, are ahead of their time. Coming back to the tree-region system I mentioned: If you don't have a car to your disposal, then this system can be useful to a traveller, as the option to travel from any island/peninsula to another are very limited. I've got other alternative options as well:
 * Merge Walcheren and Noord-Beveland.
 * Merge Noord- and Zuid-Beveland (namewise, the better option of these first two).
 * Merge Schouwen-Duiveland and Tholen.
 * All of the above (three-region system described above).
 * I think that, with the right amount of care, the current system may very well work fine, but I am fine with defining the regions to be larger. I'll add the Template:Regions discussion to the mainspace to get people to come here and join in on this. -- Wauteurz (talk) 20:16, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

 * Small update: I've worked out what I decided on for the final lay-out, feedback is appreciated as always :) -- Wauteurz (talk) 11:25, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

 * I don't know enough to offer an opinion about the (sub)regional divisions, but I would hope we could have a better map that includes towns in it. Is there water between the 3 regions, or are they separated as some kind of visual aid (which I'd consider unfortunate and less helpful to the traveler). Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:55, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

 * I do not at all mind that you can't offer an opinion on the divisions, though, as a regular visitor of Zeeland, I can say that the 3-region division is the better option. As a visitor to Zeeland, one does not go from one of these sub-regions to another that fast. As for the map, I'll see if I can trace down anyone willing to make me a better map - I am not at all experienced enough to make a good map. As for the separation of regions:
 * The east border of Tholen is the Scheldt-Rhine Canal, I believe at least three major bridges cross it.
 * Walcheren and Zuid-Beveland are not divided by a body of water, instead, Reimerswaal's west border is a canal.
 * Directly west of Terneuzen is a canal that connects to Ghent.
 * Zeeuws-Vlaanderen is in theory an exclave of the Netherlands (borders the Scheldt and Belgium). A tunnel is made to connect it to the mainland though.
 * Midden-Zeeland is disconnected from the mainland by a canal at its most eastern point.
 * The three regions are indeed disconnected, see this link to Google Maps
 * There aren't any major problems when travelling from point to point. The existing bridges do a good enough job of connecting the islands and peninsulas, the only real exception being Tholen, which can only be reached from Schouwen-Duiveland and North Brabant. -- Wauteurz (talk) 13:09, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry if I seem negative; I do appreciate you efforts to improve the Dutch articles. The issue is that you seem to be looking at this from the wrong angle. You are rather focussed on creating sub-regions (not only here, but also for Luxembourg and Gelderland, for example), while we try to create regions only when we need them to avoid overcrowding of articles. I think you should first identify which destination articles you deem useful, and should focus on first filling the existing articles. You also seem to be a bit confused about what regions are. In the example of Gelderland, you've created a region map with only one region article; Achterhoek. The Achterhoek example, however, is not a good one; you've treated it as a destination article rather than a region. You've included listings of establishments in towns with articles of their own, which are child-articles of the Achterhoek article. That's not right. You've added a lot of text about routes and, but only little of it is actually an addition to the information that was or at least should be in the city articles for Zutphen, Doetinchem etc. When there's only limited extra information, like a few sights or activities in nearby villages, it makes more sense to add that information to the nearest city or to the higher region than create a complete subregion structure. Now, there's a region structure of very limited use to travellers in the Gelderland article, and you've moved on to another province. I'm afraid the same will happen here. Therefore, I ask that we take a step back and focus on the actual quality content, deciding on regions from there, to avoid more empty shells. JuliasTravels (talk) 10:36, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

 * One more remark; Towns like Vlissingen and Zierikzee should keep articles of their own, imho. They are well-known, touristic towns and it's easy enough to fill their articles, especially when you include some of the neighbouring hamlets or villages. They may not be large in terms of permanent inhabitants, but they are clearly destinations in their own right. JuliasTravels (talk) 10:49, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

 * I understand that your reply isn't intended as being negative, neither is mine - The way I work is the way I work. I know that it isn't the standard way of working, but it works for me. I'd like to have you know that the Achterhoek is one of the first articles I ever edited here, and I've never really adjusted it - perhaps because no-one called me out on it, but no-one has to do so either. I'll have to figure out what to do with that article someday soon. Luxembourg, well, yes, I did sort of work regions-first, but in my defence, this only applies to the Mullerthal. As for the rest of Luxembourg, I worked lowest level first, and planned ahead for regions once I saw the main article getting somewhat crowded. As for the structure of the Mullerthal article, yes, it contains information that should be included in lower levels though, in my defence, I had to abandon the development of Luxembourg due to school and work.
 * I guess I'll push myself to improve the Achterhoek and Luxembourg articles this week, and get back to Zeeland later. One thing's first though, I'm currently teaching myself how to create maps, and I plan to make a proper map for Zeeland before doing anything else. Articles are never finished on a wiki, but my region articles definitely are no-where near finished. I haven't given up hope for them yet. -- Wauteurz (talk) 13:19, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

 * I didn't mean you have to finish those articles first; I just wanted to point out that it is easy enough to create region lists, but much harder to fill them properly. That's why our policy says "we only add a level of regions when there are too many cities or too much content in the existing breakdown". Proceed with whatever area you prefer :-) For now, I've restored the city list (a region list doesn't need to replace a city list, except in the case of Groningen, where it is really a "cities and rural areas"-list. ). The major difference with Groningen is, however, that Zeeland is very touristic and even small towns like Bruinisse or Cadzand draw considerable crowds in summer and have quite many facilities. For clarity, we should maybe add the destination articles you think should be added, so we get a better idea of how much "extra" content there will be. I'm thinking Noord-Beveland, Domburg and whatever else you had in mind. We can add the region list when we have found a division that works. The map is not a starting point, especially not when we require the help of others to create it. There should first be a clear consensus on what the regions will be and which cities need to be on the map, to avoid double work. I'm tempted to say that the division in three might work, but extra sub-regions like Walcheren or Schouwen-Duiveland under those should be avoided. Of course we can mention those names in articles for North, Middle and Zeeuws-Vlaanderen, for explanation, but it seems better to list the cities directly under North, Middle and Zeeuws-Vlaanderen. Otherwise, you'd actually be inserting two extra region levels instead of one, and that's just too much. JuliasTravels (talk) 14:18, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

I'll have to finish those articles at some point - waiting months for someone to do it for me isn't an option if you'd ask me. I've updated User:Wauteurz/Zeeland to have a full list of what I think should be added. Noord-Beveland, for one, already exists. As for Westkapelle and Domburg, I meant to get them all included in an article for Sluis (= West Zeeuws-Vlaanderen), but leaving them as separate articles because they're popular destinations is a valid reason to not merge them. As for the three-region system: I did not intend on further sub-dividing Walcheren and Schouwen-Duiveland. The cities in those regions can be listed alongside them. Their listings wouldn't be listed in the region article, but they would be referenced in Go next. The addition of two extra regions is something I thought about briefly, but gave up on rather fast. -- Wauteurz (talk) 17:07, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure I'm understanding you correctly; do you mean you want to get rid of the articles for Walcheren and Schouwen-Duiveland now? They are region articles at this moment. JuliasTravels (talk) 15:58, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

 * What I'm saying is not that I plan to remove Walcheren and Schouwen-Duiveland. The only difference with what I planned is that they can't be regions of their own. They indeed are regions and should probably remain that way. What I think I wanted to describe above was that I had planned to make the two bottom-level articles, merging the existing city and town articles into them, but at the moment, I see no reason to carry on with that. At the moment, the best way to use them is to have them exist at the same level as cities in that region, and use the articles of Walcheren and Schouwen-Duiveland to contain the towns and townships around these cities (ie. the remainder of the regions). I hope that cleared it up.
 * Also, I'll update the Regions back-up with the map I made (see image on the right) as well as the three-region system. -- Wauteurz (talk) 13:03, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

 * I don't think it's a good idea to have Walcheren and Schouwen-Duiveland at the same level as the cities, only to include listings in hamlets or villages without an article. I think it will be confusing for people who know a little about the region and know that Walcheren is a peninsula with several cities like Middelburg and Vlissingen - which have articles of their own. It seems better to just explain the names of the islands in the understand section of Zeeland, but not use them as articles, and include information about townships in the articles for the nearest cities. JuliasTravels (talk) 13:32, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

 * I'm fine with that solution. To do a proper summary of that:
 * First/top level: Zeeland. Second level: Midden-Zeeland (+ North Zeeland, Zeeuws-Vlaanderen). Third/bottom level: Within Midden-Zeeland: (Domburg?), Middelburg, Vlissingen, Westkapelle - do away with Walcheren.
 * That's what I think we have come down to - correct me if I'm wrong. As for North Zeeland and Zeeuws-Vlaanderen: Can we just keep those two as they are with Zeeuws-Vlaanderen being devided in three regions which are also its municipalities (+ Saeftinghe) and North being devided in Tholen and Schouwen-Duiveland? I personally think that the above may apply to Schouwen-Duiveland as well. -- Wauteurz (talk) 13:51, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

 * Yes, that could work, since Schouwen-Duiveland (unlike Walcheren) is a single municipality. It would then not be a region article, but a destination article incorporating Zierikzee and Burgh-Haamstede (which would then become redirects). If the Schouwen-Duiveland ever gets too crowded, we can always choose to divide it up in individual articles, but I don't think that will need to happen any time soon. JuliasTravels (talk) 15:10, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Taken from article
Zeeland is located on several islands, peninsulas and coastline land masses surrounding the massive delta of the confluence of the rivers Rhine, Meuse and Scheldt. The island of Walcheren is the heart of the region.

To be included
Zeeland is located on several islands, peninsulas and coastline land masses surrounding the massive delta of the confluence of the rivers Rhine, Meuse and Scheldt. The island of Walcheren is the heart of the region.

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Talk:Guangzhou/North and East

District vs city
If this is two hours away by bus, I don't think it makes sense to call this a district...? (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:58, 27 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Zengcheng is not a district of Guangzhou, but a city under its admin. Following the example of the categorization the 23 cities in Tokyo prefecture (see Hachioji as example), I have unlinked it as suggested. (WT-en) WindHorse 01:41, 27 October 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Zermatt

I would not describe the electric taxis as 'fairly rare' in Zermatt. Admittedly we were there during the peak summer season but we saw many electric taxis zipping around. It just means you still have to be observant when walking around this amazing car-free village.

Peak Pass
"Note that the Gornegrat train is not included in summer lift passes."

On the last visit in Zermatt - July 2006 - we had a 3 days peak pass and it included also Gornegrat + the train from Tasch to Zermatt.

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Talk:Zheleznogorsk

Since this doesn't quite meet our Project:What's an article? rule-of-thumb (you can't sleep there if you can't actually visit), maybe it should be a note in the Get Out section of the nearest destination? (WT-en) Maj 17:33, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

 * It's kinda difficult to get permission to visit Pyongyang or Naypyidaw, but we have article for them. I'm sure Zheleznogorsk has facilities for visitors, so IMHO it's a destination. (WT-en) Jpatokal 17:35, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Wake Island is another good example of this sort of permission-denied destination. Even if your average traveler can't get there, it could still make very interesting travel reading. Also, if it does open up, Zheleznogorsk would easily be one of my top picks for this region—I'd love to tour a former secret Soviet nuclear town, wouldn't you? --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 17:56, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

 * It is possible for certain people to visit, and they can sleep there, so I think that makes it a valid destination. In fact, because you just said it couldn't be done - :) - I'm gonna go populate this article.  (I managed to pull it off for Wake...) - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 19:17, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Zhongshan

Palace Eighteen
There is an editing war about this place. As I commented on Grimreaper666's user page, I don't understand what the point is in listing a place purely in order to slam it. Grimreaper is in clear violation of Project:Avoid_negative_reviews. Therefore, I will continue to delete the listing but would like some support in how to deal with this situation. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 21:05, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Zhuhai

Removed external link
This link is not in accordance with Project:External links but may be useful for data mining:

 * Zhuhai Expats Information & Services - useful information, latest local news from newspaper in english.

 * The definitive guide to life after dark in Zhuhai! - ZhuhaiNights - restaurants, bars, KTV, massage, photos, friend-finder and maps.

Golf equipment
I put in a section on this, which HKPatv removed saying "I guess these are fake clubs". The golfers I know are happy with them, so I'm inclined to put it back in. Anyone else got comments? (WT-en) Pashley 23:30, 20 April 2006 (EDT)

 * I was basing the removal on this: Project:illegal activities policy - I remember seeing similar discussions on prostitution. I think no problem to mention that a certain area is (in)famous for selling fake golf equipment - in part to someone who may think they are genuine (unlikely I know), but that is different to what I saw before which was almost recommendation to buy fake gear from a certain shop/area.  A bit like the difference between suggesting you go to a certain brothel to get laid compared to a warning that a certain area is a red light district.  The former is a recommendation to perform illegal activity - the second will inform readers and allow to make their own decision.(WT-en) Hkpatv 23:42, 21 April 2006 (EDT)

I put it back with a warning to watch out for fakes. Certainly the golfers I know think they are getting good value; one has taken several sets home for friends. (WT-en) Pashley 05:36, 22 April 2006 (EDT)

 * Sorry, I'm going to take it out again - at the moment it reads like a recommendation to buy fake clubs with a email contact for someone to buy them from. The point is not regarding whether or not they are good value - I am sure they are - the point is that buying fake equipment is illegal in China - please check the illegal activies policy.

 * I've read the policy and don't think it is relevant. I'm not suggesting buying bogus golf clubs; I'm suggesting buying golf clubs where they are cheap. This is China, so anything might be fake. Other than that, the only reason I have to suppose that clubs here might be fake is you asserting it. Why should I believe that when golfers I know happily buy them? I will ask the golfers when I see them, though.

 * I have been to the shopping malls in Zhu Hai and Lo Wu and I know what the score is with the cheap golf clubs. If they are selling a complete set of brand name clubs for around HK$1000, they are fake. In the unlikely event that they are not fake then they are stolen from the factory. I don't want to get into the relative advantages/disadvantages of fake clubs or whether your frients are happy with them, that is not the point. Same as the DVD's at GongBei - if you can buy them for HK$10 then they are fake, even if they are not labelled.  No problem to mention in passing that the shopping malls are full of fake gear, but not OK to suggest people go there to buy fake gear.

 * OK Leave it out, at least until I can check with the golfers here (WT-en) Pashley 07:07, 23 April 2006 (EDT)

OK I've asked a local golfer and he says his clubs are bogus and low quality. (WT-en) Pashley 05:48, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

Ferry to Islands
How do you get to the outlying islands?(WT-en) Hkpatv 08:20, 1 May 2006 (EDT)

 * From the Xiangzhou Northern Wharf (香洲北堤码头), you can get to the Wanshan Islands (万山群岛).

Great work!
This and Guangzhou are steadily creeping up to guide status. My pedantic heart is especially warmed by lots of hanzi and careful pinyin transcriptions too (tone marks, oh my!). A little more effort, and we'll have our first mainland Chinese Destination of the Month! (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:11, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

Great to hear. Checking the history, I find it was August 22 last year that I created it as a three-line page. There've been a whole lot of contributors since. Can we make giude by August 22 this year? (WT-en) Pashley 02:49, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Are we there yet? (WT-en) Pashley 22:32, 11 March 2009 (EDT)

Train?
When I left Zhuhai a couple of years back, construction of a Zhuhai-Guangzhou high-speed rail line was well underway. I was supposed to be in service in 2008. What's the current status? Should the "get in" section add a "By train" subsection? (WT-en) Pashley 19:07, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

It's not there yet - the only news I could find about it is here - http://www.macaudailytimesnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11029&Itemid=29 - which says it will open in 2008. Adding details. (WT-en) Sachabrunel 22:57, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

It's still not there and doesn't appear to be anywhere close to finished. (WT-en) gboone42

Okay to remove many of the bar references/directions?
There are several sections in both drinks/places (describing the districts and such) that read a bit too much like bar/prostitution guides. As this isn't a sex tourism guide, I'd like to rewrite the sections to omit the information on the brothels (or at least the directions for finding them), and rewrite the location sections more as warnings (Caution: Use your best judgement) than as invitations.

HKG Ferry Service
The information on the table is out of date, I don't know enough about changing tables in wiki to do it confidently, but there are more than two ferries running between HKIA and Zhuhai, an updated timetable is online here: http://www.cksp.com.hk/eng/skypier/timetable/main.html (WT-en) gboone42 10:20, 1 Dec. 2008 (China Time)

 * I've removed the table. Please add in links for any other companies that you know of. (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:30, 1 December 2008 (EST)

Photos and titles
There are now a huge number of photos, some brilliant. However, I think there are too many. Things like photos of the street food vendors are great illustrations of what to expect in Zhuhai. However, things like photo of the airport (inside and outside!) or bus stations strike me as a waste of space. I'm inclined to remove about half the photos here, keep only the best ones. I'd say the only transport photo worth keeping is the ferry boat; great shot.

We currently have at least seven pictures of Lotus Road. I'd say we need, at the absolute most, three — shopping, bars by day & bars by night. Maybe only one or two. The great thing about having so many now is that it gives us choices. Similarly, we now have at least three for Bar Street. Cut it to one; that's all we need to illustrate the atmosphere. I'd say the one captioned "Outdoor seating"; I love it.

I think with some culling, we'd have really excellent illustrations, but I feel fairly strongly that we need to cull. Other opinions?

On a related note, a caption "Lover's Road, Gongbei with Jida in the distance" was changed to "Zhuhai has a long beautiful coastline, and 146 islands". Why? Granted, the photo shows some coastline, but what it shows is Lover's Road, and it does illustrate how the districts of Jida and Gongbei are separated. However, it has nothing to do with islands. I'd say the original caption was far better. Other captions could also be improved. (WT-en) Pashley 23:12, 11 March 2009 (EDT)

 * I've saved the links for all the existing photos at User talk:(WT-en) Pashley/Sandbox.Zhuhai to cover us in case of blunders or disagreement in culling. (WT-en) Pashley 00:22, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

 * Sounds like a positive change to me. Also, I think the one titled "View approaching JiuZhou Port, Zhuhai" can be yanked too, since it's almost the same as the background of the ferry shot. (WT-en) Texugo 00:45, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

 * I think most of the current pictures are quite OK. However, the article formatting is all of the place, and needs to be MoSed quite a bit. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:50, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Districts?
Is this article getting big enough that we want to split it into several district articles? Zhuhai breaks quite naturally into districts; the terrain is bays and headlands, clumps of development separated by hills. It would probably be one of the easier cities to districtify.

I'd say not yet, but it seems worth asking for other opinions. The policy is at Project:Geographical_hierarchy. (WT-en) Pashley 02:51, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

Map?
This is a really nicely illustrated article, and on a cursory inspection, as someone who's never been to Zhuhai, it looks like a good potential front-page feature (DotM, I'd think, as it is really not off the beaten path). The only obvious thing that seems to be lacking is a map. But I'd love to hear opinions of people who actually know Zhuhai. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:42, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

 * I think the text also needs a copy edit, not a great deal but some. Parts of it appear to have been written by a Chinese with less-than-optimal English and it needs an overall polish. I cannot volunteer now; I'm busy with other things.
 * It also lacks a custom banner.
 * Zhuhai is famous for prostitution and we mention that, so the question of whether this violates Sex tourism policy might be looked at. I do not think there is a problem in the current text, and would argue strongly against bowdlerisation. Pashley (talk) 12:41, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

 * My feeling is that it doesn't violate the policy, as no specific brothels are recommended, nor (correct me if I'm misremembering) is there advice about how to hire a prostitute. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:40, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

 * I think that is fine as is, though I'd replace "working girls" with "streetwalkers" in the description of Lianhua Lu. I do not think the euphemism is necessary or that all readers will understand it.

 * There are also footnote-style links which should be cleaned up and I think most of the Districts section should have its order reversed, South-to-North instead of N-to-S so that the main tourist areas are at the top of the list rather than going from suburbs to center. Probably there is other cleanup need too; these are just what I notice when quickly re-reading it. Pashley (talk) 16:25, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Learn
I'm putting the contents of the Learn section below for now. Learn is supposed to give info on short courses or other learning opportunities that a traveller could do in the short term without setting up residence. If any of these do offer such opportunities, please add details on that before putting it back in the article. Alternately, if any of these are recommendable places to See or Do something, they can be placed in the respective section, with an explanation. Texugo (talk) 22:19, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Two universities are located along the main coastal road North of central Zhuhai, between Xiangzhou and Tangjia, accessible by bus 3, 10, 69 or the sightseeing bus:

Several more are further North, on a side road just before Jinding. Take bus 69 from town, bus 70 from Jinding, or bus 10A from Gongbei. The Zhuhai North train station is also in this area.

Several other universities are further West, in Doumen District.

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Talk:Ziārat

Where in India is Ziārat? Or should that be Ziarat? as english does not normally use ā's. There is a Ziarat valley in Pakistan, so is there more than one place of the same name? -- (WT-en) Huttite 21:34, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Zimbabwe

Relevance
What, if any, of this has any relevance for travellers? Is the intention to have us weed this? (WT-en) Tiles 00:50, 8 Aug 2003 (PDT)

 * The import of the CIA Factbook is only to support in the creating of a real Wikivoyage article. (WT-en) Andreas Holstenson 03:27, 8 Aug 2003 (PDT)

 * Join the talk at Country article template and/or look at the current example Switzerland (WT-en) Majnoona

 * I have now copied the original content of the article to Talk:Zimbabwe/CIA World Factbook 2002 import and will cull irrelevant facts and rearrange relevant facts into a country template, so future weeding will no longer be needed. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:58, 4 Jun 2004 (EDT)

Could someone comment on this paragraph from the "Stay safe" section:
 * Though in general Zimbabwe remains a safe place, don't be shocked to see a policeman slap and kick-about a local. It's the rule of law over there. Don't be shocked to see the locals beat up a thief sometimes to the point of death. Its the rule of the law in ALL of Africa, its called public justice over there. They don't go to the police station, the public love to deal with pick-pockets.

I think it needs a bit of a rewrite. What do you think? (WT-en) Jamboo 05:18, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

 * I'm sure that does happen though I doubt that you average traveler will ever see it. In South Africa there is a phenomenon called Kangaroo Courts where the community will deal with an offender themselves rather than call the police. Generally the offender will be severely beaten up, sometimes fatally. I won't bother with rewriting that the Stay safe section just yet, Zimbabwe elections is around the corner (29 March) and I suspect Stay safe will require a complete rewrite due to country wide violence after the elections. --(WT-en) Nick 06:15, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

Political edits
I have reverted this edit for the following reasons:
 * 1) To avoid starting a political edit war in the Zimbabwe article; some people might really take offence to that statement, especially black Zimbabweans that have lost their farms and white Zimbabweans that have never even been to Europe
 * 2) It is factually incorrect
 * 3) * The farms that have been confiscated are definitely not exclusively European dominated. They are owned and operated by both black Zimbabweans (some 1st to 10th generation, having come from other Southern African countries) and 3rd to 9th generation white Zimbabweans. Confiscations are based entirely on the farmer's support for the ruling government and how many votes they can buy if they redistribute a particular farm.
 * 4) * Just being white does not automatically make one European, just as being black does not automatically make one African

Removed portions
I've removed most of the remaining suggestions in the article that Zimbabwe is a challenging but basically safe and interesting destination for foreigners that were still floating around in the article. As best I can tell, that hasn't been remotely true for about six months now. Visiting Zimbabwe is flat-out dangerous in terms of both personal safety and health care. The rest of the text should be a better match for the warning box now. (WT-en) Hypatia 07:37, 30 January 2009 (EST)

 * I have removed the warning box. The cholera situation seems to have improved. Also, we do not have warning boxes up for countries that are more dangerous than Zimbabwe.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 00:48, 4 February 2010 (EST)

Regions
I've drafted a map for Zimbabwe below, but changed the regions a bit so they're not tied directly to administrative boundaries (although they still largely follow them). Each of the three regions I proposed could be split in two to better suit geography and distances. On the other hand, I'm not sure how much tourist stuff there is to do beyond the cities on the map so further regions may not be necessary based on our 7+/-2 rule.

- (WT-en) Shaund 20:33, 24 January 2010 (EST)

 * Three regions just doesn't seem enough for a country the size of Zimbabwe, 4-5 seems right. SE Zimbabwe should be split if you think that's the best case for doing so. Is there enough difference within Northern Zim to split it? (WT-en) AHeneen 21:21, 24 January 2010 (EST)

 * My first reaction Shaun is that you have an excellent eye for graphic design. Very pleasing look to the map. Onto more mundane matters. Your split seems to make a lot of sense from a geo-cultural viewpoint. I am though slightly concerned that 3 regions for such a large, important country is not enough? I would not like to force that though just for the sake of having more regions. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 21:41, 24 January 2010 (EST)

 * Thanks for the comments. I wasn't sure about the number of regions either, so I'm glad for the feedback.

 * I think I could go as high as seven regions, although that might be too many. The first split I'd do, is SE Zim and Eastern Highlands as AHeneen mentioned. The second one would be to split Northern Zim, separating the part along eastern Lake Kariba and the Zambezi River. It's more of a vacation area: less populated than the rest of N Zim with a number of parks and reserves in the area. It is (or perhaps was, given the economic issues) considered a bit of a vacation destination for the locals (Vic Falls being more of an international tourist destination).

 * That would bring it five regions. Matabeleland could be split into its North and South provinces, but there seems to be little in the south other than Bulawayo, Matobo and the Khami Ruins. A seventh region could be created if I brought the Midlands region back (it fills in the middle), but it seems to be mostly a mining region with few tourist attractions -- I'm not convinced it makes a good case to be a tourist region. (WT-en) Shaund 21:49, 24 January 2010 (EST)

 * If you just split SE & Northern Zim regions, in my opinion, that's enough. One big thing missing in this map is railroads. Zim is one of just a handful of African countries with decent, operating railroads.

 * Sounds good and thanks for the link. It'll make it easier to pick which lines carry passengers. Railroads actually are on the map but they're a rather faint gray. I'll darken them up so they're legible. (WT-en) Shaund 01:04, 25 January 2010 (EST)

 * Maybe have look at the dashed line option Shaun, eg here. That format seems to work well on this type of "strong" map, rather than the wispy lines. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:29, 25 January 2010 (EST)

 * I've put the new map on the Zim page, but I'm going to wait a day before I set up the regions, regionlist template, etc. (just in case I need to change the regions or region names). (WT-en) Shaund 12:39, 31 January 2010 (EST)

Format for notating U.S. dollars
I'm seeing US$ in the article. Aren't the standard notations $US (as in "$1 US") or USD? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:22, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * See WV:$. We use US$:
 * "If the country or article uses more than one currency, including foreign ones, use the shortest unambiguous form for each. For US dollars, this is US$. For euros, it's €."

Ground Zero (talk) 23:03, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

 * OK, if that's how you want it. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:45, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Um, it's not me; it's our style guide. Ground Zero (talk) 01:21, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You didn't notice the emoticon? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:48, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Got it. ;-) Ground Zero (talk) 13:36, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

New Zimbabwe dollar
The situation with currency in Zimbabwe seems to be in flux. From what I have read, the new Zimbabwe dollar (Z$) became the only legal tender on June 24, 2019, replacing common use of the US dollar and South African rand. prices in WVartidles are generally in US$. But there is little paper money in circulation. The Ecocash mobile transfer app seems to be what Zimbabweans are using. Should we put caution box in Zimbabwe articles to alert readers to this? Ground Zero (talk) 16:27, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Currency, time and spelling conventions
Below is a proposed infobox to let readers know which formatting conventions to use in Wikivoyage articles. Do you agree with these proposals? If you have direct knowledge of what is most commonly used in the country, please let us know. Ground Zero (talk) 14:13, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Moved to the top of this article. Ground Zero (talk) 12:37, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Zion National Park

The big map
This might sound a little ironic coming from a guy who just added five of his vacation photos to this page, but I think the regional map on this page is taking up way too much space--and I have a very wide resolution. Does anyone else think we should take it off, or at least shrink it? (WT-en) PerryPlanet 03:11, 11 December 2006 (EST)

 * Nice pics -- thanks! On my monitor my browser the map looks fine -- it's only half the width of the article and feels about right for the content.  My browser isn't fully enlarged either -- it's only about 1300 pixels wide. -- (WT-en) Colin 03:17, 11 December 2006 (EST)

 * Now that I think about it, it's not that bad. Say, should I add the map of Zion Canyon too? It can go along the "Get Around" section (I'll move the Great White Throne pic). (WT-en) PerryPlanet 13:39, 12 December 2006 (EST) Edit: Never mind.

Sorry, but I just found this page. I am new to this. I did reduce the photos and added more images. It was getting cramped. Please feel free to enlarge them again if you feel it's better. -FrankEM

Hope I didn't go overboard...
I went ahead and added the map of Zion Canyon. I also added an infobox about the springs and hanging gardens(which I find a fascinating subject), and some info on the ranger programs.

With this, I think the article is complete! It'll probably have to go through some style/grammar editing to make it a star, but it's very close now.

And if I went too far or did something stupid, don't hesitate to let me know. (WT-en) PerryPlanet 18:44, 13 December 2006 (EST)

 * Nice work! I'm glad to see this article look so great as I have many happy memories of hiking the canyon... I think this article is getting close to a star! Kudos! (WT-en) Maj 21:01, 13 December 2006 (EST)

I like that infobox! FrankEM

Get out
The Get out section is a little big, the one area I can see editing back is the list of Canyon Country destinations, since we already have a link to the Canyon Country article, maybe we can bring it back to just one or two examples? (WT-en) Maj 21:05, 13 December 2006 (EST)
 * You definetly have a point. I don't know why Arches and Canyonlands are in the list, they're hundreds of miles away. Same with Las Vegas and the Grand Canyon, dunno why we need those. However, let's hang on to Bryce Canyon (it's fairly close), Red Canyon (on the road to Bryce), and Cedar Breaks (also pretty close). (WT-en) PerryPlanet 22:24, 13 December 2006 (EST)
 * Maybe for similar places, we could use the related articles feature instead? --(WT-en) Evan 22:37, 13 December 2006 (EST)

 * You may want to consider leaving Vegas there as it's the nearest large city, and many people visiting Vegas also visit Zion. As to using the related tag for things like the Grand Canyon, I don't know - if the Grand Canyon is "related" to Zion that opens up a pretty wide spectrum of articles that could be considered related... -- (WT-en) Ryan 23:38, 13 December 2006 (EST)
 * I just realized that Vegas is also the nearest major airport, so yeah, I guess it should stay. The Grand Canyon should also probably stay an individual link, since it isn't part of Canyon Country but still a very huge attraction. Also, what about Pipe Spring? Does it deserve a mention?

 * From Project:Park article template:

 * Information about how to move on from the park, and descriptions of nearby destinations. Try and include as many options as you can think of including land, air, and water. Provide a brief description of other nearby destination suggestions, neighboring cities or day-trip ideas. Don't replicate information that's up in "Get in", though.

 * My personal opinion is that the Grand Canyon isn't a day trip away - do people frequently go from one to the other without stopping along the way? Arches, Canyonlands, etc are probably similar.  Similarly, since Pipe Spring isn't a major destination, if it's not really close to Zion I don't know if it belongs in the list.  That's just my opinion though - so long as the list isn't too long and is useful to travelers it's good either way. -- (WT-en) Ryan 01:50, 14 December 2006 (EST)

 * Well, the Grand Canyon is pretty far away, I can't argue with that. I suppose we could put the Grand Canyon and Pipe Spring into the Get Out section on the Kanab page, that might work... (WT-en) PerryPlanet 02:48, 14 December 2006 (EST)

 * To be clear, I don't disagree that many visitors to Zion might also include the Grand Canyon as part of their vacation, but my concern is simply that this article is supposed to be a guide for someone visiting Zion National Park, not for someone on a family vacation through the Southwest - we have Southwest (United States of America) and other region articles for the latter case. The idea of "Get out" as I understand it is that someone could look at the Zion article and then refer to "Get out" for ideas of what's nearby for them to visit.  Including a place like the Grand Canyon (eight hours drive from the South Rim) invites someone to add other destinations that might be considered on a vacation to the Southwest, rather than inviting people to add places that are in the same vicinity as Zion and that should be considered when visiting the park. -- (WT-en) Ryan 03:27, 14 December 2006 (EST)

So how about this: We keep Las Vegas, the three nearby towns, Bryce Canyon and Cedar Breaks (seeing that those are a day trip away), and the Canyon Country link, and get rid of the rest. Sound good? (WT-en) PerryPlanet 14:11, 15 December 2006 (EST)

 * Let's do that, and put the other parks as "related". I'll get this started. --(WT-en) Evan 14:32, 15 December 2006 (EST)

I would cut Arches and Canyonlands as well. I have to argue about Grand Canyon though. Many, many who visit Zion also hit Bryce Canyon and the North Rim of the Grand Canyon on the same trip. I do agree that the South Rim is too far away. -FrankEM

How to make Zion a Star
I am again confused. I went to the star articles and tried to add the kind of content I saw on those so that Zion would be a star, but it was mostly cut, including the photos. What sort of thing needs to be added?(WT-en) FrankEM

 * First, what was removed? It's a bit tough to tell what content you're referring to based on the article history.  Second, I think before this article is a star it will need more information about how to get to the park, specifically information about arriving by bus and the location of the nearest airports - see Yosemite National Park for an example.  I'd also like to see more information about how to get backcountry permits, and a bit more info about food options in and around the park - if there really is only one place to purchase food within the park then it would be nice to give a few sentences indicating what nearby towns have grocery and restaurant options.  Last of all the article could use a bit more copyediting to avoid overlapping pictures (the canyon map and the Zion-Mt. Carmel picture don't layout very well), the Get Out section could use a bit of cleanup, and possible a pass through the rest of the article.

 * This article is close to a star, so you may want to nominate it to get more exposure from others. Nice work! -- (WT-en) Ryan 22:53, 30 December 2006 (EST)

Thanks! I will try and work on those items. I was not sure. I am sure others will as well. You guys at wikivoyage are very helpful! Ah! Yosemite was the star article I was looking at for ideas! :) (WT-en) FrankEM

Thanks guys! I knew those headers looked funky, but did not know how to fix them. (WT-en) FrankEM

I tried to add/do the suggestions given above. Any more suggestions? Hmmm... bus -- I forgot that one. There is a bus connection to St. George I think. There is not any bus lines going to Zion except tour busses that go through the park often.

 * I think this thing is very close to being a Star just as it stands. Some copyediting would be appropriate; there are a few odd constructions, errors of grammar, inconsistencies in the ways lists are presented, etc.  Content-wise, it looks fantastic.  Just go over it with an editor's fine-tooth comb, and bring it up again; I'm approaching the point of being ready to nominate it myself.  (Incidentally, this might be a good place on which to test-fly the Project:Cooperating with WikiOutdoors collaboration that we've been discussing; WikiOutdoors needs all the help they can get.) -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:18, 31 December 2006 (EST)

Yahoo! :) I will try and proof again today.  Help is appreciated editing masters!(WT-en) FrankEM

Yeah, it's pretty close now. I'll look carefully through this carefully and do some more editing. I've also nominated this as a Destination of the Month. (WT-en) PerryPlanet 18:32, 31 December 2006 (EST)

Great! (WT-en) FrankEM

 * I've removed the "By train" section - it felt confusing to me to provide Amtrak info when there is no way to get into the park by train. I also consolidated the "By RV/Camper/Yada/Yada" section into the "By car" section.  Hopefully these changes make the article a bit more readable. -- (WT-en) Ryan 03:23, 2 January 2007 (EST)

It's looking good in here! Way to go everyone! (WT-en) FrankEM

Congratulations guys, it's a Star! A big thanks to all who helped improve the article, and a huge thanks to NJR ZA for making the maps! (WT-en) PerryPlanet 19:43, 22 February 2007 (EST)

Yahoo! I second what Perry said! (WT-en) FrankEM

The maps says Mt. Carmen Juction instead of Mt. Carmel Junction --- 1st glance (WT-en) FrankEM

 * Fixed --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 16:16, 24 February 2007 (EST)

You are awesome! Thanks for doing those maps! (WT-en) FrankEM

It's been a while, but I finally got around to adding those hiking trail to the map. Can someone that knows the park just double check that they are all OK and let me know if any changes are required. --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 19:28, 9 March 2007 (EST)
 * The maps seem good, but you might want to see if you can squeeze the names of the shorter trails in there, like Hidden Canyon and Angels Landing. I wouldn't worry about Weeping Rock or Court of the Patriarchs though, seeing as they're practically right there at the shuttle stop. (WT-en) PerryPlanet 19:53, 9 March 2007 (EST)
 * Thanks, done --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 03:31, 10 March 2007 (EST)
 * Oh, and you might want to put in where the Emerald Pools are too. Other than that, it looks perfect! Great job! (WT-en) PerryPlanet 13:11, 10 March 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Zlatibor

Research links
These Project:external links were removed from the article - they may prove helpful for research -- (WT-en) Huttite 03:45, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * http://www.zlatibor.com - Zlatibor
 * http://www.zlatibor.co.yu - Zlatibor
 * http://www.zlatibor.org - Zlatibor
 * http://www.sirogojno.org.yu - Sirogojno
 * http://www.telenetholidays.com - BOOKING HOTELS IN ZLATIBOR - Srbija:: Hoteli Zlatibor
 * http://www.serbia-tourism.org/srpski/tekst.php?podaci=banje_e.txt&gde=zbr - Zlatibor
 * http://homepage.mac.com/melissaenderle/Serbia/zlatibor.htm - Melissa Enderle's trip to Zlatibor
 * http://www.hoteli-srbije.co.yu/planinski/zlatibor/zlatibor-hoteli/zlatibor-hoteli.htm - Hotels of Zlatibor
 * http://www.turizam.co.yu/klima/zlatib/zlatib.htm - Zlatibor
 * http://www.cajetina.org.yu - Cajetina
 * http://www.serbianmatrix.co.yu/zlatibor/zlatibor_pages/zlatibor_4.htm - Tornik
 * http://www.yurail.co.yu/prezentacije/sargan/sarganrv.htm - Serbian Railways - Sargan Eight

Kudos
Wow, this is really coming along nicely. Great example of how to do a region guide-- and what an interesting region too! (WT-en) Majnoona 18:01, 25 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * Thank you, I shall improve the article a little bit soon. Mount Zlatibor is really one of the most beautiful places in Europe. You'll see when I get some more photos. Or when you come to Zlatibor by your self. :D --(WT-en) George D. Bozovic 13:06, 1 Feb 2006 (EST)
 * Is this really a region article, and not, say, a rural area article? I'm doubting how useful a "Towns and villages" section with nothing but red links is. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:34, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * And it has see listings too, something that is not supposed to be in region articles. I'd support recategorizing it as a rural area article. -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:00, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Any objections to changing it to a rural area article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:37, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Zomba Plateau

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Do Climb the Chawe mountain, which is possible in an hour if up for a good hike. Visit the viewpoints for breathtaking views. Visit the man made and natural dams. Visit (and swim under!) the waterfalls. all very funky!!!! but freaky

Can you please better explain/be more descriptive than "all very funky!!!! but freaky")

title: Talk:Zomba Plateau