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User talk:Wrh2/Archive 2007

Admin nomination
I've nominated User:(WT-en) Cacahuate to become an admin; please comment on Project:administrator nominations when you have some time. --(WT-en) Evan 01:31, 6 January 2007 (EST)

CCSA & GDFL
sorry, i thought that the rule applied only for images. could you please re-format the text. i mentioned it in the edit history, so just compare it with the last version, pick out the text and write it in your own words. i'll have a shot at it myself, if it looks different enough from the original, i'll add it. Take care. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 13:38, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Re: JensAndMarian Discussion
No problem; I almost put it there myself, and probably would have except that the Copyleft talk page was already fairly long.

The real question is whether we've learned anything from this episode and whether anything needs to be done. It would be nice if the "discussion" (to use the polite word) were to continue under circumstances that prevent a recurrence. I'm not optimistic. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 14:44, 2 February 2007 (EST)

(WT-en) Joseph Stalin
Hi Ryan, this guy is making life hell for everyone by changing names. You're an administrator, can't you tell him to get lost and bump him off permanently.

(WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 09:28, 6 February 2007 (EST)

changes in Wikivoyage talk:External links
Apologies for my deletion in Project:External links, I didn't mean to do that.

BTW, after your unrevert, I also restored my comment in Project:External links, hopefully you don't mind (or let me know if you do). --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 22:42, 8 February 2007 (EST)

Deletion archives
Hey Ryan, thanks. I only left that in case someone objected with my reasoning, but perhaps I should have raised that question somewhere else like on the deletion policy page... thanks! (WT-en) - Cacahuate 20:06, 21 February 2007 (EST)

Images
You're pictures are great, never noticed before, until I just came across the White Sands one... nice work! If you're ever bored we should meet up for coffee or something, I'm back in LA semi-permanently for now (WT-en) - Cacahuate 20:11, 22 February 2007 (EST)

 * Thanks! Some of the photos are better than others... I'm living in Culver City and working in El Segundo right now - weekdays are pretty much a lost cause due to work, but if you're in the area on a weekend let me know and you can regale a poor cubicle dweller with stories from your most recent trip. -- (WT-en) Ryan 20:20, 22 February 2007 (EST)

Myer centre
Hahah, I wish it was only food and beverage theft! I was drugged TWICE with sodium oxybate AND gassed with hydrogen sulfide at this centre. Security failed to do a single thing about any of the three incidents!

Ha!
Thanks I forgot about how dangerous the Myer Center was. Seriously, though, your reply was pretty funny. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 23:36, 24 February 2007 (EST)

What's funny about it?

Israel
Hi, thats alright, I just thought that being fact it might need to stay, although as you say I don't think the traveller needs to know political details, thanks for your input --(WT-en) MiddleEastern 08:50, 1 March 2007 (EST)

Spam
Hi, Do we warn main page spammers? Just seems like anon users haven't been being warned recently? --(WT-en) MiddleEastern 14:35, 5 March 2007 (EST)

 * The vast majority of the spam on the site comes from automated scripts, many of which are running on computers without the computer's owner knowing about the script, so there's generally no point in issuing a warning since there isn't a person who would read it. -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:45, 5 March 2007 (EST)

 * No problem --(WT-en) MiddleEastern 16:35, 5 March 2007 (EST)

Questions
Hi Ryan,

can you send me an email at fagstein@gmail.com? I have some questions I'd like to ask you.

Thanks

Galapagos
Greetings from the Midwest,

National Geo is televising a documentary about the Galapagos Islands and I know you've been there. How much did it cost you to go? -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 21:38, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

 * It's not a cheap place to go (see Galapagos), and you really get what you pay for. If you had tons of time you could fly there and visit some of the towns for probably $1000, but to see the best wildlife spots on a good boat over 10-14 days is gonna cost anywhere from $3000 - $6000+.  The last two times I've gone I've chartered an entire boat and brought 16 friends, which kept costs down, but it was still around $2500 - $3500 per person plus airfare. -- (WT-en) Ryan (talk) 21:44, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

User pages
No problem with that revert. This one just caught my eye and irritated me because he does not contribute, only advertise. I'll vfd a photo from the same user in a moment Image:Romanya60.JPG

My apologies for stuffing up your talk page when I tried this reply earlier, connection to wikivoyage is on a go-slow and firefox did not want to play nicely. I think it is an indication that I now need to step away from the keyboard and call it a day --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 13:31, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

IsIn
Thanks for the info about the isin template? I tried to find the answer but got lost. Oh well, again, thanks!!! (WT-en) Celticevergreen 18:07, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

User:76.18.80.24
Any idea what's with that guy? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:22, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

 * See also Talk:Southwest (United States of America). -- (WT-en) Colin 20:58, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

 * In addition to the talk page for the Southwest, see the second comment under and  above.  I had hoped that my evil plans to infiltrate Wikivoyage by making mediocre edits to articles about places that I haven't lived in for my entire life would go unnoticed, but apparently I've been discovered. -- (WT-en) Ryan (talk) 21:50, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

 * You're in good company; now he's started in on me, my Texas affiliations (huh? I've spent maybe 20 days in Texas in my life), my Ph.D., and you name it. Obviously a borderline personality at work; I suppose the best thing is just to do quiet reverts. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 22:27, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

 * I don't know why this guy feels the need to lash out, but while totally inappropriate the personal attacks are pretty easy to ignore. I can't tell if he's trolling of if there are other issues at play, but some of the edits regarding Southwestern history do seem helpful, so reverts may not always be needed.  In any case, it's nice to have some company in the  mischaracterize-the-Southwest conspiracy; I was getting lonely being the only one with a secret agenda! -- (WT-en) Ryan (talk) 22:36, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

 * Actually, I did incorporate his concerns about heat in southern New Mexico, biliously expressed though they may be. The fraction of the state in which summer heat is an Arizona-like hazard is fairly small (maybe 20%, and most of that territory is lightly traveled), but it's non-zero, so may as well apply the TTCF principle.  The rest of the stuff I reverted is just Way Out There.  Only a "Texan" calls the Rio Grande "the Rio" rather than "the river"?  Then 90% of the population of New Mexico has been proclaimed a "Texan" -- and them's fightin' words.  Seriously.  It's a serious insult here. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:32, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

Spam filter
What goes through your mind when you blacklist sites like tightpu%%^? -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 03:51, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

 * ...how happy I am that my name will forever be associated with such wonderful prose? Any chance I ever had of running for political office has most likely been ruined by my association with our spam filter. -- (WT-en) Ryan (talk) 03:55, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Yup, your political career is ruined — "rubber glove (which Earthing doctors use in unspeakable ways to treat the male of the species)." -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 16:43, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

Wikivoyage ToC
Ryan: once again through the ToC grind. If you have a few seconds, please share your impressions about on. --(WT-en) Evan 12:31, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Lost Paddle Rafting
Hi Ryan! I apologize for posting multiple listings for my web on wiki-travel. I was so excited to discover this site I guess I got carried away with posting it to what I believed to be relevant categories. If you could please remove my site www.lostpaddlerafting dot com from the blacklist I will repost it only in the city I am located. Or, can I place it under Colorado since we operate through-out the state? Please let me know where you think it might be most appropriate and I'll place it only once. Thanks! jwick p.s. I had to write out dot com as I am still black listed:)

Revert
What's the reason for the revert of my contribution to Kyoto? 61.46.195.94 22:31, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

 * He probably reverted your edits because you deleted most of the article. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 22:38, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

Oops...now that was of course NOT intended. It is some weird mechanism that i haven't figured out yet. I think this has happended before. Sorry. 61.46.195.94 22:43, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

 * No worries. It's happened to everyone at least once. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 22:47, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

spam blacklist
Hi, I added the "generic terms" because that's what the spambot is using. I don't think they'll ever relate to wikivoyage, whereas the hostnames used (mostly university proxies) probably will. (WT-en) Jordanmills 15:10, 10 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Looks like you guys just blocked the IP, so I reckon it's a non-issue now. (WT-en) Jordanmills 15:12, 10 May 2007 (EDT)
 * It was a bunch of IPs, so either they gave up voluntarily or the blacklist sent them away. -- (WT-en) Colin 15:15, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

Mountain View (California)
There are a lot of female travelers that would welcome information on nail salons etc. I know a number of professional woman that seldom gets time to pamper themselves while doing the 9 to 5 thing, so they always incorporate this into their holidays. Maybe information like that can go under the Cope section? --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 05:42, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Contact
Hi there!

This is Ryan from Internet Brands. I've been in touch with Evan and Michele over the past several months, but I haven't had a chance to introduce myself to you and the other sysops, so I'm taking some time out now to address each of you. I'd love to solicit your opinion on something, so I'd very much appreciate it if you could email me directly at the following address: rfujitani@internetbrands.com

In any case, keep up the good work, and I look forward to hearing from you! - (WT-en) Pastrami on Ry 17:43, 17 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Thanks Ryan! I appreciate the contact from Internet Brands, but in all honesty I'm a bit uncomfortable with utilizing private channels of communication for wiki-related discussions.  If you'd like to you can contact me using the "email this user" link in the left-nav, but preferably it would be great if communication about wiki-related issues could be open to the entire Wikivoyage community, rather than just a chosen few.  I realize that the nature of open discussions is a bit chaotic and scary, but despite its shortcomings it has proven to be remarkably productive when things are done as transparently as possible - the fact that Wikivoyage has come so far is an example of what is possible. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 02:12, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Oh sure, I will definitely utilize the E-Mail this user button on the left. It isn't showing up on your default User Talk page, but I see it here, now that I'm editing (is that normal?).  In any case, I completely understand the value of open discussions on the Wiki and so forth, and I will most certainly address or bring up any future issues in the open community channels.  Thanks for responding! - (WT-en) Pastrami on Ry 19:02, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

Wait... I stand corrected...  I DO see the "E-Mail this user" button now. How strange... - (WT-en) Pastrami on Ry 19:04, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

Wiki rules
Hello there hoss, Your history is evidence that you spend a considerable amount of time on your site. I think it can be a great resource, I want to understand the rules.

I wanted to beef up some san diego content and so I posted a link to a neighborhood guide from our visitors site and you nuked it.

I am not going to go through the trouble of redoing it nor am i looking to challenge you. I merely would like to understand where you find the line to be drawn. I understand you fight a constant battle daily and so you seem to have it nailed down.

However there is not many sites left on the web that does not have some affiliate with making money. I understand these pages have ads but I was not going to rewrite their whole guide and i figured a dot org would have held some grace with you.

Thanks for taking the time to explain and then go get some fresh air!

universal edit button
→ interesting – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 02:51, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

CotW unscheduled nominations are getting a bit thin!
We could do with a few more suggestions for articles that could be future CotWs, so if you know of any please be sure to add them to the list! Thanks -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 08:04, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for redirection help!
(WT-en) LADave 01:16, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for the heads up
... on our friend. My instinct was pretty good I guess, but I played it straight anyways. (WT-en) OldPine 19:24, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

 * He seems to like you. It's a shame he isn't willing to contribute more constructively since I bet his writing would be the combination of witty and sarcastic that makes for interesting reading.  I was explaining him to my roommate, and based on his ability to respond to suggestions in a completely unhelpful way the best analogy I could come up with was the evil genie that grants you three wishes that all backfire in some way. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:51, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

 * Ha! That's a fabulous bit of analysis! A fricken genie! Well that explains it! He does like me, doesn't he? I may have to revise my opinion that he's a mofo. Y'know, I sometimes think that my work here is pretty much tilting at windmills. I mean, yeah, I'm contributing, but if anything it's somehow karmic (hopefully)... there will be no real fame, no monetary remuneration, just some sort of satisfaction not understood by many. One could say it is nearly a waste of time. But wow, this guy really wastes his time (and ours). I suppose "whatever floats one's boat". Wikivoyage does it for some people in the most bizarro of ways. (WT-en) OldPine 21:49, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Inspired by my new Barnstar, I unpacked a huge number of links in St. Louis, did a lot of anonymous work on some secret places a certain friend shouldn't learn about, and generally kicked WT butt! Thanks ;) Speaking of butt, mines a little sore. Later. (WT-en) OldPine 17:50, 1 July 2007 (EDT)

 * The power of the barnstar is something, huh? I noticed the special friend cleanups, and they're much appreciated.  I suspect we'll be seeing a lot more from him between now and when school starts in the Fall, so if you ever do change your mind about being an admin, the delete button is only a nomination away :) -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:00, 1 July 2007 (EDT)

Local spam blacklist
Thanks for your timely reminder about not being too hasty in adding website addresses to the spam blacklist, which I think you were spurred to write by my doing just that with a persistent spammer on the Mandarmani article. Actually, in some cases, I think the contributors just assume that a guide is a natural place to add their company's website and are not necessarily spammers (per se). At least, at you say, we should inform them of the policy and give ample them the opportunity to stop, and resorting to using the blacklist should be a final resort only. Anyway, I appreciate the reminder, and I'll be more aware to use other methods first in the future. (WT-en) WindHorse 04:11, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

Not fair
Hey! I wanted to delete Glendale! :( Regarding the challenge you gave our friend, how many points is he up to?  -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 17:02, 3 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Project:Votes for undeletion :-P As to the Chicken challenge, it's an interesting place, and if he's bored and wants to write about small towns it's as good as any - population is less than 40 but it sees several thousand tourists a year.  Besides, the story behind the name is classic Alaska. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:42, 3 July 2007 (EDT)

San Leandro
You have destroyed a lot of my hard work. You have to be ashamed of yourself. =(
 * Isn't past your bedtime? -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 23:21, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

 * Everyone appreciates your contributions, but we've been trying in many ways to get your attention for a while now - see the comments on Talk:San Leandro, when you click on the "Edit" link for the "Eat" section of the San Leandro page, and on User talk:76.216.9.45. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:27, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

Split pages
Ryan, you had some thoughts about the plan to tech:optionally split long guides into one page per section. Since I've got a new version of software on review: to do this, I'd love to get your feedback on the shared: tech page. --(WT-en) Evan 13:27, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

Uploading pictures problem
Thanks for the clear to understand explanation of the links....

I have also been having a problem with d/l the pictures. I upload them, but the link I need to paste it to the picture, is not there....[[picture.jpg|discussion}  This!!!

so I have nothing to copy to paste to the main page....The only way that I can get that, is by d/l again, immediately after the first time

Something seems to be wrong...and needs to be fixed somehow, because I was stopped twice today, from adding a picture to the article.

(WT-en) Flowergirl 23:16, 14 July 2007 (EDT)

Cruisin'
Away for a week, so I won't be around to annoy newbies with cross-edits for a while :) (sometimes I just can't help myself). Keep up the good work. Love ya, man. (WT-en) OldPine 20:33, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

User:(WT-en) L'Aquatique
This was just a silly mistake on my part. For some reason I missed that this was in the user's userspace and I didn't get any hits for L'Aquatique, Idaho. Thanks for catching that! I'm afraid it's not possible to be on the opposite side of this argument ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:03, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

Madison
Hey, guy. I was going to change this to an "otheruses" for Madison, WI -- see the talk page there -- but thought I'd run it by you first. It happens to be your disambiguation. Not a big deal one way or the other. Verbeek is usually my litmus for these things, but haven't seen him around. (WT-en) OldPine 07:41, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

 * I tend to have the minority view in contentious "most famous" debates (eg. Talk:Saint Petersburg) so I'll defer to the judgment of others - I've only been to the cheese state once, so if you think the home of the Badgers should get the "Madison" article then I'd say go for it. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:22, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

 * Excuse me for jumping in, but to be fair, I think you were actually with the majority in that case, but since we were utterly unable to bridge the gap between those pro and con, we left it as is. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:41, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

RFC archives
Hi Ryan, since you were earlier leaning towards keeping the RFC archives, would you mind commenting on the current proposal being discussed here? I personally like the current motion, but wouldn't want to push it through without hearing from you first. Thanks! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 02:41, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

ip blocks
I just unblocked an ip that you blocked since there was only 3 edits and nothing too hard to keep up with, but I'm a little tired and simulating drunk, so sorry I did that without us coming to some sort of conclusion at Project:User ban nominations yet. – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 04:19, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

 * I can't find the discussion at the moment, but the policy in the past has been that if something is obviously a bot and it spams more than once then it usually gets blocked. The reason we don't use blocks on users is that we prefer soft-security, but in the case of a bot trying to encourage better behavior is obviously pointless. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:11, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

Apartments in Madrid
Thank you for your explanation about my article´s removal. The thing is that as freelance, my fiscal physical addres is my personal one, were there´s no problem to receive renters in case. Even is the same street number, same main door, where two of my to-rent apartments are. I don´t have an office where clients must pick up the keys, as myself, as courtesy service, receive clients at their apartment. Things so, does this mean that if I include my fiscal address on my site, I can insert the article again? Sorry, and thanks again. I tried to do my best with the rules!

Admin nominations
You're quite correct. Will follow your advice. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 05:55, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Anonymous blocks
Thanks for stepping in, but unfortunately, I don't think those blocks of the anonymous spammers are going to help much in and of themselves. Other wikis where I admin are having the same problem, namely, something somewhere that spams from an address, then automatically shifts addresses. They usually don't spam more than a few times from the same address before the whole thing goes dormant. The only antidote that I've ever found is the blacklist; thanks for doing that too, that has a chance of stemming the flood.

I'd really like to know what's in the mind of these cretins who do these attacks. They are targeted incredibly precisely against wikis. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:03, 8 October 2007 (EDT)

 * I think it's a typical spam attack - trigger a botnet to throw out thousands of links and hope that some of them stick, somewhere; I suspect that the ROI for these sorts of attacks is extraordinarily low, but since the cost to the perpetrators is zero it probably won't stop anytime soon. As to blocking IPs, I only block IPs that have made more than one edit - it doesn't seem like it hurts at all, and some of the edit histories show that the same IPs return after the one month block ends.  Maybe it doesn't do much, but it's worth trying, falls in line with the Project:Script policy, and gives me a minor sense of accomplishment :) -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:10, 8 October 2007 (EDT)

 * I'm curious as to whether the spam links still reside in some history version of the page. That is, we can bring up and edit an old version of a page, so are those links still available to search engine spiders? -- (WT-en) OldPine 23:24, 8 October 2007 (EDT)

 * The history of the spam is available in article histories, but the robots.txt file specifically tells search engines not to include any of those old pages in search engines (Disallow /wiki/ is the magic line). It doesn't matter though - just like 99% of spam emails get blocked by the spam filters, spammers only care about the 1% of their links that don't get reverted.  They indiscriminately spam wikis, message boards, blog comments, and anything else they can find, which is a huge PITA to deal with, but at least for now the price we pay for allowing anyone to contribute.  Google is getting smarter about actually decreasing the ranking for sites it identifies as spam, so with any luck in a couple of years this sort of thing will hopefully be less prevalent. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:38, 8 October 2007 (EDT)

 * I just added an entry to the blacklist -- first time I've done that. Could you check to make sure I did it right?  Thanks. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 00:36, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

 * Looks good. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:42, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

Vandalism policy?
I don't know about you folks (I'm sending the same message to several), but I for one am getting sick and tired of the intentional vandalism that's going on here. I am trying to start a discussion on Project:Community policies as to whether something more forceful needs to be in place to deal with it. Historically, we have bent far over backwards to avoid punitive action against vandals and have simply gone in and cleaned up the messes they create. However, the frequency of vandalism is growing, and I am not convinced that we are doing Wikivoyage a service by tolerating it. This said, I'm not at all sure what the "right" response is.

I'd appreciate your participation in the discussion on that talk page. Let's see if we can come up with something appropriate. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:45, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

Protecting the main page
Could I request that you not use the expiration field when you protect the main page? I discovered after you protected the main page once using an automated expiration option, that it also removed the move protection when the protection expired. That's when the vandal was able to move the Main Page around.

I see that you have removed protection and kept the move protection, which is great. I only mention this just for future reference. Cheers. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 08:08, 20 October 2007 (EDT)

Your advice wanted
Is this: User:(WT-en) SouthAfrica OK do you think? -- (WT-en) OldPine 16:28, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

 * My opinion is that user pages can be basically used for anything that's not vile, illegal, or too unscrupulous. Letting business owners use them for advertisement seems fine as long as it doesn't get out of control, and it gives us an "out" for those who claim their links should be allowed in articles since they are travel related.  That said, there was a conversation a while back about questionable user pages, and others had very different opinions - I think the discussion was in the Pub if you're inclined to go searching :) -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:21, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

 * Thanks. My diminished memory of that pub discussion was probably what led me to think it was questionable. --(WT-en) OldPine 19:46, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

Proliferation of new users
Did you see the huge number of users created (by another recently-created user) just before your recent block? I smell a spam attack coming, but am not convinced we can do anything pre-emptive. Opinion? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:31, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

 * I haven't ever actually seen the "created account for" thing before. Dunno what's going on there, whether someone is messing around, just testing, or what's going on... -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:25, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

 * I saw that a few times several months ago, and when I asked Evan what it meant he didn't seem to know. Strange... – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 02:55, 27 October 2007 (EDT)

Troll blocks
Hey Ryan, I'll leave the block be for now, but isn't it against policy to ban users without first discussing? As far as I'm aware they weren't crossing any lines that we have drawn up for immediate bans. "Keeping up" with them couldn't be any more easy, and as a matter of fact, I was kind of enjoying the cat and mouse game ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:46, 7 November 2007 (EST)
 * And as you might have noticed, dynamic ips make the whole user ban thing kind of pointless--and it makes offenders feel gratified, because they feel like they are beating the response by getting around it. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:49, 7 November 2007 (EST)

stop deleting my stuff --(WT-en) Lone.guner 14:32, 2 February 2008 (EST) how dare u call me a troll --(WT-en) Lone.guner 14:41, 2 February 2008 (EST)

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User talk:Wrh2/Archive 2008

San Francisco Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Dear Ryan, I have just seen your edits at http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:San_Francisco  relating to Rudy Colombini's Center for the Performing Arts and The Rock and Roll Hall of  Fame, both at 1353-1355 Bush Street, San Francisco. To answer your question about where they belong - actually neither of these venues exist. 1353-1355 is a hotel called the James Court Hotel, aka The Nob Hill Pension http://pacificequitieswest.com/photo_html/bushstreet.html There are plans to set up a musical venue here but they are stalled, apparently due to objections. This is not going to come to fruition for at least 3-4 years, if at all.

This is really just spam, probably put there by the owner, Rudy Colombini himself, as the IP address 66.47.253.226 resolves to 835 Hyde Street - the offices of his company Pacific Equities West LLC. For some information on him and his spamming activities- please see an article on Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Phr/Talk:Rudy_Colombini This article documents how he has been a persistent spammer on Wikipedia - trying to pass himself off as a member of the real band 'The Divine Comedy', advertising his hotels on an encyclopedic website, replacing links to desirable and notable hotels and establishments with those of his own.etc etc...

Actually, there is also a hell of a lot of spam been put here on Wikivoyage too from this same IP. See http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/66.47.253.226 As you can see this guy has been flagrantly deleting references to all his competitor hotels, advertising his hotels under San Fran districts that they are clearly not in, constantly editing an artice to ensure that his hotels always remain at the top of the list and advertising non-existent musical venues. I know that, unlike Wikipedia, you are allowed advertise on Wikivoyage, but surely this kind of behaviour is bad for the community. I am new to 'Wiki's' and don't quite know how to address this. Any ideas?? I was thinking of setting up a page to deal with this matter - similar to the one that was set up on Wikipedia. Do you think this would be appropriate or do you have any other ideas on how to deal with this. Would appreciate any help. Thanks (WT-en) Asterix 14:31, 7 February 2008 (EST)

 * I'm going to copy this note to Talk:San Francisco where others might see it. Thanks for the info. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:35, 7 February 2008 (EST)

WTP on Lulu
Thanks for the heads up -- that's the second time already that Lulu has just "lost" the alias to the store. Fixed now, but who knows for how long... (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:52, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Admin nomination
Hey, I just nominated User:(WT-en) LtPowers for sysop status. I'd appreciate it if you would comment here. Thanks! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:59, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Latvia is a lawful part of Northern EU
moved to Talk:Europe/Hierarchy

Removal of URL from Blacklist | Jetabroad.com
Moved to Project:Local spam blacklist.

Centre
Project:Spelling has been updated. -- (WT-en) Colin 02:52, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

 * Thanks - I actually noticed the change after posting the comment on Talk:Edmonton/Central and thus modified my comment as follows: "To be consistent the official policy used to be to use American spelling in all articles". I never really understood why people felt so passionate about spelling, so after the ten thousandth edit war I quit following those discussions and obviously missed the change. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:25, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * See! I can talk in the Canadian spelling!  Hehe, sorry I just wanted to say that, no harm.  Keep smioling :) (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 17:28, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

Revert
Hi, Ryan, I see you have some problems with reverting edits. I thought I'd try and tell you how to do it. First, go into history, make sure the green dot in the circle is in the LAST TWO edits, and at the end of those edits descriptions theres (undo)...click that and then make sure by comparing the changes you're deleting the right thing. If you are, go to the bottom and click SAVE PAGE. I hope I helped. Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 16:17, 7 November 2008 (EST).

Cleveland, OH
Heya Ryan! I thought I'd ask you about Cleveland, since you've been there. How was it? It seems like a fascinating city! Do tell! Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 00:25, 11 November 2008 (EST).

 * It's pretty typical for the upper Midwest. How is Denver? -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:48, 11 November 2008 (EST)

 * Hay, thanks. If you check my userpg I've never been to Denver.  I really like the city-maybe in a few years?  The furthest south I've been is Yellowstone.  Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee  talk 00:11, 12 November 2008 (EST).

My appology
Sorry Wrh2 and others, I put a nasty comment in that annonymous user's page. I just got so ticked off that he was being so rude and really an asshole. He (or she ?¿) has no respect and although I've seen this before, when it hit home, it really struck and now I know how others really feel. I feel sorry for them because some idiots have a twisted pleasure. Ryan, I'm using your page because you deleted my comment and I want to say sorry to you in particular. Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 18:40, 12 November 2008 (EST).

Barnstar
I haven't seen those at all on users pages! I have on WikiPEDIA not TRAVEL. To give them one just let them know and basically put in their user page, correct? Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 16:17, 14 November 2008 (EST).

 * Take a look at the "Links" section of Image:Barnstar.png for examples of people who have gotten them. They aren't used a lot here, but they do pop up from time to time. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:51, 14 November 2008 (EST)

 * Does it matter how many people you give them to? Also, you put it in the User Page, correct?  Keep smiling ,(WT-en) ee  talk 17:07, 14 November 2008 (EST).  PS:  Maybe I'll make em popular here!

 * Project:Barnstars covers most of that. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:13, 14 November 2008 (EST)

 * S'allright...I got it! Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee  talk 17:15, 14 November 2008 (EST).

Ecuador edits

 * One note, however, is that we actually WANT listings for restaurants and hotels in articles so that users know where they can stay (see Project:Accommodation listings and Project:Small city article template). Similarly, for a destination like the Galapagos Islands it is useful to have a list of companies offering tours.  There's a fine line between a listing and spam, so it's perfectly OK to remove several paragraphs of promotional material when it gets added, but at the same time we want to make sure travelers are getting the information they need to plan a visit. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:28, 21 November 2008 (EST)

 * Ok I note that--(WT-en) Tapirlodge 14:20, 21 November 2008 (EST)
 * I think it will take a time but with the correct open directories and a little of work I will do the work
 * I think it's better to refers to open directories instead of filling list of places, What it's your opinnion about this idea?--(WT-en) Tapirlodge 14:24, 21 November 2008 (EST)
 * The problem is that the list content the list of the tours it's (please correct me if I'm wrong) publicity and it won't be fair for all the tour operators if the list doesn't content all the travel operators.

Now that I'm aware of all this issues I will be more careful and I will try to follow the template--(WT-en) Tapirlodge 14:30, 21 November 2008 (EST)

 * Hay! Don't use caps :).  (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee]  .T.A.L.K. 23:02, 25 November 2008 (EST).

curiousity
Curious as to why you are skeptical about me when I arrived and now? I'd like to know. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 23:02, 25 November 2008 (EST).

Jpotokal
Can you please talk to Jani about Jani's behavior. He is being quite rude, as am I and he seems unwilling to change. Maybe Jani will get it if a janitor speaks to Jani. Just a thought as Jpotokal is being harsh and is usuing pathetic reasons. Thanks. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 23:09, 25 November 2008 (EST).

 * I've met Jani personally and respect his opinion a great deal. If he's got something to say it's generally worth listening to. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:31, 26 November 2008 (EST)

 * Wow that's real nice. So he can get away with everything and give rude remarks yet I can't?  That is basically it!  (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee]  .T.A.L.K. 00:36, 26 November 2008 (EST).

 * Based on my experience, if Jani calls me an ass (which hasn't happened) odds are that I've been an ass; if you call me an ass (which HAS happened) odds are that you're being an ass. There are a number of editors here who could be more diplomatic (and the previous sentence sadly shows that I'm one of them), but so long as those editors think before they write and offer criticism grounded in the guidelines that we've all agreed to then it's tough to fault them. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:57, 26 November 2008 (EST)
 * Yes it's ok for him to be like "Are you smoking crack?" but I can't say you are pissing me off. Okay.  That does not make sense.  (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee]  .T.A.L.K. 10:37, 26 November 2008 (EST).

 * I think maybe if you focused a little more on just writing articles and less on needing a lot of community interaction you would be a little more in line with the mood of the site and the goals of the community – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 10:53, 26 November 2008 (EST)

No you guys hate me and dont want me to contribute in any way except damn articles. Man are you guys SO NICE! WHAT-OH AM I USING CAPS-well yeah, you guys just pushed me over the cliff when I was on the edge. Ugh. What do you want from me ? To never get me to contribute? That is what it feels like and letting Jani get away with crap doesn't go. That SICKENS me. Sorry Ryan for the caps on your talk page it is in reference to Cacahuate. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 11:40, 26 November 2008 (EST).

So I'm torn - when EE showed up I thought he/she was a troll, then he/she put a ton of effort into creating what seems to be really good article about Edmonton. Since then the behavior has reverted to exactly what one would expect from someone who was trolling (pleading victimization, ignoring advice, continuing behavior after being asked to stop) but there isn't any precedent for someone whose motivation was trolling to have spent so much time creating a good article... so I don't know. I think at this point the best solution is disengagement from all sides to let things cool off and work themselves out. If EE isn't trolling then defusing the situation will let him/her re-focus on Edmonton. If he/she is trolling then the behavior won't stop and we'll know for sure what's going on. Anyhow, that's going to be my approach. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:50, 26 November 2008 (EST)

 * Why did you think I was a troll at first? Let me tell you, that isn't my plans here.  I just wanted to discuss oh man I feel so bad.  I really do.  I am a he, btw.  I am sorry, sigh, like I said, I am going to cut down on discussions.  (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee]  .T.A.L.K. 11:53, 26 November 2008 (EST).

One thing I don't get is why you are letting Jani get away with this? why do you let him give rude remarks? Just because he has been her a while and is a janitor doesn't mean that he can get away with stuff. I am sorry if it is bringing up stuff that people don't want to talk about or it makes people angry at me. And i am sorry if I am not wanted on this page but it is a question i deserve to have an answer because I really don't get it. You seem to be avoiding it. Also, so when I call someone an "ass" it means I am an ass, yet if divine Jani says it, it doesn't mean he is an ass? What is that? I am sorry, really, and I am sorry if you hate me for it or feel like banning me or anything because I feel bad. If that is the case. It's just something I believe should be resolved. I am so truly sorry! Keep smiling, (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 19:01, 27 November 2008 (EST).

 * Sorry to butt in, but since you're having this conversation about me in public...

 * So, EE, I have not called you (or, for that matter, anyone else) an ass, nor have I insulted you as a person in any other way. I have questioned your judgement, because I found handing out barnstars to new users who are actively causing damage to WT to be totally incomprehensible, and I was pretty blunt about it because I'm pretty protective of WT.  This doesn't mean that you're an ass, or even that I think you're an ass; I just think that you're young, extremely enthusiastic and a little too easily excitable.

 * Let me just underline that last point: this is not personal. Nobody here "hates" you; nobody here even knows you.  But here, as in everywhere else in the world, you're responsible for your actions, and that's what people judge you by. (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:46, 28 November 2008 (EST)

 * Thank you for the post. I liked your comment.  It is nice that you care about this site.  I didnt say you said I was an ass.  I didnt like are you smoking crack/no i wont blow sunshine comments.  That was the problem.  Thank-you!!!  (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee]  .T.A.L.K. 23:26, 28 November 2008 (EST).

Millersburg & Holmes County Listings
I only used a style and format similar to the others that I saw on our areas pages. I find it quite ironic that they are allowed to have their listings as they were without being classified as 'touting'. Why are those allowed to stand? A better question would probably be as to why there is a cut and burn mentality without even looking at what was posted and the fact I used what I saw (which is still standing)as an example Otherwise it really isn't worth the effort for anyone to put any information on this site that others would find useful.User:(WT-en) Silenyjizda

Highway navigation box
Hi there. I have proposed a new sort of navigation box here. I would really appreciate your input. (WT-en) Texugo 06:49, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * Everyone seems really anxious to start rolling this out, but I want to make sure our strongest contributors like you are behind this, since it may very well sweep the site. The discussion is now here. If you could give it a whirl and let me know your thoughts, I would be grateful. Thanks in advance! (WT-en) Texugo 11:56, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Tout control
You do a really admirable job dealing with Project:Don't tout violations. I must confess this area is a particular weakness for me—I tend too quickly towards hard reverts and dismissals. I'll try to watch and learn ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:49, 6 December 2008 (EST)

 * Thanks - I'm not a map maker and don't have much time for writing articles these days, so it's good to know that I'm still being useful. Given the massive amount of patrolling you do it's quite understandable that the "revert" button is your weapon of choice, rather than the lengthier approaches; like most endeavors, Wikivoyage seems to follow the 80-20 rule, with 20% of the users requiring 80% of the time.  Sadly, it seems like only a very small percentage of those 20% ever stay around to make contributions beyond a listing for their own business (I can actually only think of (WT-en) one off the top of my head). -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:18, 7 December 2008 (EST)

 * A very different topic, but would you mind taking a look at Wikivoyage_talk:Administrator's_handbook. I still haven't figured out how to set an expiry time for page protection. Thanks! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:06, 7 December 2008 (EST)

Hope these changes are good
I have done my best to follow the guidelines. On others talk pages I think I have seen an interactive add comment box at the top of their page and you don't have to edit an existing comment in order to post something to the page. Am I remembering that correctly?

ok i figured out i have to use use the plus sign link

New Zealand Departure Tax
To the best of my knowledge, the stopped the departure tax in NZ about six months ago, and its now included in ticket prices. I'll check my facts, and if required I'll add the info to the appropriate spot. --(WT-en) Inas 22:14, 16 December 2008 (EST)

 * It appears that it was only dropped for departures from Auckland, and is still payable elsewhere (but is being phased out). I've added the appropriate into to New Zealand.  --(WT-en) Inas 22:30, 16 December 2008 (EST)

 * Thanks! -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:39, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Six Thumbs Up!
Good job so far working with fixing up that spammers doing! (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 17:24, 19 December 2008 (EST).

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User talk:Wrh2/Archive 2009

Celebration Suites at Old Town
Now I know our post has violated the Wikivoyage:Don't Tout and didn't notice the warning. We are a new starter here and didn't know the details. So can you remove our hotel and website from the blacklist? We will obey the rules when we post again in the future. Thanks.

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome message Wrh2. I didn't know that, I just joined. (WT-en) Clarkcj 11:00, 23 November 2009 (EST)

Walking Tour
Hello, Just got your message about my external link being deleted from the Vienna page and had a question about it. the site i linked to provides a really good walking free tour for the city, is on a non-profit site, and is a great resource to people searching Vienna on wiki travel. If i am not able to link to the walking tour directly how may i share the walking tour with readers on wiki? I understand wiki doesn't want link to other travel sites, so how else might i share the great info with them? the link was to: http://sites.google.com/a/bigboytravel.com/www/europe/austria/vienna/walkingtour, and i own all the content shown on it. Thanks Jon 19:24, 27 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Have a look at the "Tours Policy?" section of Project:Activity listings which contains a discussion of this issue and some of the reasoning for disallowing links to walking tours. You might consider creating a travel topic such as Walking tour of Sydney if you're interested in contributing subject matter for this topic.  Hope that helps - if you have any further comments I'd suggest leaving them on Project:Activity listings so that others can comment. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:48, 27 July 2009 (EDT)

 * Ryan, I have found other walking tours listed in other cities such as Rome because in the talk boards the people overlooking certain countries have decided that some walking tours add value to wiki. I can understand why paid tour links are denied because they are spam, however, what i had posted was from a non-profit, ad-free site, offering free walking tour details with good printable maps.  I am just confused on the choice that my site violated the policy instead of adding value.

(WT-en) Jonathanleighmiller 22:36, 27 July 2009 (EDT)

Image Captions
The difference between this site and most other wiki sites is that this site is designed for the creation of print-ready pages. Without a photo credit in the article, someone who prints an article or incorporates an article onto a web site or guide book will be infringing the copyright which subsists in the photographs which are licensed with a creative commons attribution license.(WT-en) Arpitt 18:50, 4 January 2009 (EST)

 * I've left links to the relevant policies on your talk page, and you can discuss your concerns there. Until there is a consensus to change current practice, however, this site (along with Wikipedia and most open source wikis) does not provide license and photographer name in the image caption, despite the fact that guides can be printed (as can Wikipedia articles).  If you browse the site you will see that the thousands and thousands of images used here do not provide photographer credits in the captions, and that is by intention. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:55, 4 January 2009 (EST)

I've added a comment to http://shared.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Image_policy  (WT-en) Arpitt 19:14, 4 January 2009 (EST)

 * ...and I've responded. Until/If there is a consensus for change please do not add credits in captions as it goes against Wikivoyage standards. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:23, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Personal abuse on user pages..

 * see Project:How to handle_unwanted edits

Thanks for the Feedback
Hi Ryan, thanks for the feedback. Check out the Agritourism page I am building, as well. Regards, (WT-en) WineCountryInn 17:41, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Violation
Hi Ryan, I have noticed you have been pulling Geogad listings under Walks, Do's, and Tours. The listings have been in other locations for awhile and there never was a problem. I am curious to what violation of the external link policy it violates so it can be corrected. These are professional created tours of specific locations that have been well researched and documented. Thanks and I look forward to your response.
 * If it is because of the additional links to the mobile site and the android application, then I will delete those links.......

 * See Wikivoyage_talk:Local_spam_blacklist which has some pointers to the relevant policy pages and discussions. Your edits seemed well-intentioned, but audio tours are discouraged by policy. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 15:01, 3 February 2009 (EST)

Apartment listings
Ryan,,,

Our apartment listings in Australia has been all removed, just was wondering what is wrong with this listings. We met all the 4 points indicated in the apartment listings guidelines.

Quest Apartments is the biggest apartment network in Australia.. please visit our site (www.questaustralia.com.au), we are not advertising privately owned apartments, we do have online booking within 1 week.. a real phone number... a comercial address... etc..

If is a question of formatting please let me know..

Looking forward to your comments

Matias

 * There is somewhat of a higher standard for Project:External links on this site, so editors here tend to quickly revert links that look like touting and/or advertising that are not in line with policy. One major issue with your listings was that none of the listings included an address - per the Project:Accommodation listings policy (cited in the reverts) apartment listings that do not list the address of the local office are inappropriate.  Two, the listings were included on the articles for Australia and its states - see Project:Don't tout and Project:Where you can stick it.  Listings should be included only for the city in which the apartment could be rented, otherwise the regional articles would simply become a mass of links to every business in that region.  See also Project:Welcome, business owners which has additional advice, particularly about creating a user account - it is difficult to communicate with users who login solely via IP address.  Thanks for taking the time to discuss the issues! -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:18, 11 February 2009 (EST)

Ok, following up your tips created a user and will try following up strictly guidelines. Thanks for your reply

Dividing Line Between Northeast and Southeast.
I was wondering where the regions developed. I have always seen Wisconsin split into four or eight regions. I could not tell where Northeast stopped and Southeast begins. I typically put Ozaukee and Washington counties into Southeastern Wisconsin. Where is the dividing line? --(WT-en) Mistert2 12:12, 28 February 2009 (EST)

 * I've replied on your talk page, but reading Talk:Wisconsin it looks like the regional breakdown was based on http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/images/photoarc/maps/statemap-regions-288.gif. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:15, 28 February 2009 (EST)

Thanks for the tips, I will do that in the future. --(WT-en) Mistert2 12:16, 28 February 2009 (EST)

One more quick question, what is the wikipedia link in West Bend and where does that show up on the page?

 * See Project:Links to Wikipedia for more details - basically it's a shortcut for creating links to Wikipedia articles for a page, and it shows up in the left nav in the "other sites" box. It's also possible to create links for Dmoz, other language versions of a page, etc. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:42, 28 February 2009 (EST)

ewdm dot not
(copied in from userspace) Please remove your post referring to us and listing us as spam we are a legitimate service and have had problems with competitors adding links to our site with inappropriate information including the trip adviser link you provided which clearly exposes the culprits staff at marina garden resort who after being declined space on our site took under hand measures, involving slander and self promotion.

Yours Kim admin ewdm dot net

Un-archive

 * moved to Project:Votes for deletion.

Thanks, and housekeeping
Thanks for the kind words. Now could you take over some of the housekeeping, specifically associated with the PF/EE silliness? I don't want to touch that one with a ten-foot pole, and I'm frankly disgusted that people who should know better are wasting so much time on it. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 21:46, 10 March 2009 (EDT)

 * Agreed :) I've tried twice to archive it based on what I assumed were clear and obvious reasons, so at this point I'm resigned to the fact that it's going to get its fourteen days no matter what I do... that said, after fourteen days there should be no question on the matter, so hopefully we can finally close the book on it once and for all .  I should have read more of the recent changes before responding - looks like one of the three "delete" voters agreed to archive it, which hopefully puts the matter to rest (*phew*). -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:12, 10 March 2009 (EDT)

Jerusalem/Old City touts
An unusually persistent tout is at work on this article, putting up a series of unacceptable photo-ads for a restaurant despite pleas to at least read our anti-tout policy. Suggestions on what to do? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:53, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Chiricahua National Monument lodging

 * moved to Talk:Chiricahua National Monument

Thanks
for the warm welcome! (WT-en) Army of me 03:08, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Range blocks
Hey Ryan, I'd appreciate hearing your views on this discussion. Care to comment? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 04:49, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

Suriname
Sorry for almost deleting a large part of the suriname article. don't know what went wrong. fixed it with history and undo. regards, user:mirrormundo

link violation
Hello Ryan, I apologize for the violation but I was wondering if it would be appropriate to link our main page to the pages of the various places we offer volunteer opportunities. I have noticed other organizations have done this such as Ikando volunteers under the work section on the Ghana page and various organizations, such as CARE and PID, under the work section on the Guatemala page. We would love for the Wikivoyage users to be able to explore our volunteer opportunities. Thank you for your time. username: crossculturalsolutions

 * Please see User talk:96.57.242.18 and User talk:(WT-en) Crossculturalsolutions. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:21, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

abetterstay dot com
Hello Ryan,

I am sorry about the violation, the links that I was posting from abetterstay were specific to the location, but not specific to the hotel.

If the posts were to be changed to specific hotels instead of broader destinations, would it alleviate this problem?

 * Hi Chad - have a look at your talk page which has some pointers to the relevant Wikivoyage guidelines, in particular Project:External links. In the future, if you see a red dot on the top right side of your screen next to your user name it means someone has left a new comment on your user page. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:59, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

Hey
A hi from your long lost protege. Miss ya. -(WT-en) OldPine 17:34, 29 July 2009 (EDT)

Spam specialists
Hi - removed cialis from the blacklist. Just the plain word, left the other patterns.. --(WT-en) inas 22:00, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

 * I've reverted the levitra pattern as well... I can't think of any words that contain that pattern, but who knows... stopping spam is an annoying business. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:02, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

Barcelona
Hi Ryan, i noticed that you have delete my contribution about Barcelona. I have read the guidelines for adding a tour company, but in that way i don´t understand why a company like Barcelona Bus Turistic have an a contribution. I don´t see differences between Barcelona Guide Bureau who is a partner of Barcelona Turisme and other companies who appears in the Barcelona contribution. Barcelona Guide Bureau is the only company, for example, going inside the Camp Nou, so for the readers of WikiTravel it´s interesting to know about that option.(WT-en) MathildeMadi 06:57, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

 * The policy for tours is the following:

 * Tours can be listed on Wikivoyage as long as they constitute a value-added activity. If a traveler could fulfill the substance of the tour on their own, the tour should not be listed.

 * Similarly, bullet #2 is:

 * Tours should offer something as a supplement, rather than a replacement for Wikivoyage guides. They should count as an activity available at a destination (e.g., a helicopter tour of a city, or a camel expedition into the Sahara).

 * Guided city tours generally do not meet these criteria unless they are taking visitors somewhere that they could not otherwise visit on their own. I can't comment on the other companies you mention as I don't know Barcelona - I noticed your edit while patrolling Special:Recentchanges but did not review the entire Barcelona article.  -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:07, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

Coimbatore
Hi Ryan, I have seen that you got involved in the Coimbatore issue. The main edit warring changes for the by-call taxis are done by two anonymous users 122.164.187.240 & 59.92.146.65. Could you block this maybe for a week or so and add a text that they need to follow the rules. This should raise their attention. Other users then can start to repair the article. Thanks, (WT-en) jan 14:12, 18 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Per Project:How to handle unwanted edits, any ban of longer than a day requires a nomination. In the case of this user, he seems to log in with different accounts and IPs and has flouted additions to the spam blacklist, so I suspect that the best option is to just continue reverting and protecting the articles in question as needed. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:21, 18 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Ryan, it seems that Ravikiran and others have identified the problem as well Project:User_ban_nominations and so we will keep reverting... (WT-en) jan 05:34, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

List of Chinese provinces and regions
Moved to Talk:List of Chinese provinces and regions

Chain hotels
Point taken. Just a bit nervous in getting other hoteliers to follow suit with their own chain listings. I'm guessing if there aren't any hotels listed on Wikivoyage, a user might think to go to Orbitz.com or even just Google "hotels in _____". But I can see your point...I also tend to delete B&Bs if it looks like there are just a bunch of them listed without any personal comments, so I'm not channeling too much hate towards the chains. :) Zepppep 22 Oct, 2009 20:32 (EDT)(WT-en) Zepppep 20:33, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

Yeah, I can see your point, but don't see chain hotels specifically mentioned in your reference. I guess I just apply what was applied to restaurants and grocery stores: if someone can pick up a phone book and get the same sort of info., the content may not prove too helpful; or if the location isn't a major part of the city's identity (or a restaurant inside, for example), then it may not be adding much value. But I can appreciate the fact you're saying leaving them on there and just getting rid of the mktg lang....I'll take a look at your references again but may need to point smth out! Thx! (WT-en) Zepppep 20:43, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

 * The talk page of Project:Accommodation listings probably has more discussion relevant to chain hotels (we've had problems with touting), and the "pruning" section contains some references, but Project:Welcome, business owners, Project:Where you can stick it, etc all state that hotels go in the sleep section without limiting what sort of hotels are OK. The Project:Goals and non-goals state that the site should not be a yellow page listing, so you're right that in places where there are a LOT of options we tend to weed out chains.  That said, in smaller towns that only have a handful of options it's OK to list everything, and with hotels there are advantages to listing chains since many chain hotels are destinations of themselves - I lived in San Francisco for some time, and would definitely want to see listings for some of the bigger hotels in downtown, even if they are national brands, since they're worth visiting. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:51, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

 * Again, thanks for the references. I want to make sure I'm doing stuff right; has been a few yrs since I was active. For small towns, I can understand how even by listing the chains it won't get out of control merely b/c there aren't that many chains that could take up space. For bigger cities, I don't have a problem for chain references, but like to see them listed if a) the locals would agree it's a landmark has something worth seeing (attractions, restaurant, architecture, etc.) as I previously stated or b) in a district/borough section. And 5-9 is considered the "max" for listings, so I guess I'd let a discussion begin on perhaps which places are "the best" and let those winners continue to be listed.

What's your opinion on casinos? I'm looking at Kansas City and see the Isle of Capri...KC isn't a hotspot for casinos unlike Las Vegas but perhaps there are some who think it's a really good idea to have it listed in the Do section. What's your verdict, or is there anything official which discusses this? (WT-en) Zepppep 21:12, 22 October 2009 (EDT) (talk)

 * When in doubt the golden rule here is Project:The traveller comes first. Visitors to Kansas City go to the casinos (was there once, I thought they were an oddity) so my thought is that it can't hurt to leave them as long as they don't get too spammy. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:45, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

Shiny Buttons
I would indeed be honoured to accept that nomination, especially if the result is to make patroling work a little easier and faster. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:27, 29 November 2009 (EST)

Cologne
Hi Ryan, for the last ten days a spambot everyday deletes a portion of the Cologne article. You can see in the history of the article that the ip is the same with the exception of the last two digits. Is there a way to block these ip's 91.214.45.xx (42/43/46/47/45/49/52/133/134)? I assume it is a spambot because it is so regular. I'm a bit unsure what to do. (WT-en) jan 10:29, 7 December 2009 (EST)

 * I believe that there is an open request on shared: to support blocking IP ranges, but for now it seems that our only option is to revert changes as they occur and block the offending IP addresses. I've been watching Cologne (as have others) so hopefully editors will stay on top of this one, but sadly until IB takes a more active role in the site there may not be a technical way to prevent these sorts of attacks. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:41, 7 December 2009 (EST)

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