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User talk:EvanProdromou/Nov-Dec-2005-Jan-2006

Hey Evan, I love WikiPedia. I'm going to Buenos Aires and Uruguay in March for 4-6 months + and was looking at info on your travel site. Not that you've been there - I saw Montevido on your wishlist - but I'm looking for a way to find out how to rent an apartment in/around either Montevido or Buenos Aires. I'm not too worried about finding something in the $200/month range once I get down there, but haven't really found anything too promising online, and I've been surfing some South American forums in Spanish. Do you know of anything/anyone that might be helpful? Again, I'm not too concerned, but I figure there should be something on the net that could point me towards a reasonable apartment. I'm in the process of contacting language schools.

marcusberley@gmail.com

See also User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Archives

Hello Evan, I'm a reporter in the San Francisco Bay Area, looking to write a story about Wikis. I'd love to interview you about WikiTravel. Can you please contact me at elee@cctimes.com? Thank you!

Wikivoyage skin seems about ready to go
Hey Evan, I'm thinking that the new skin seems about ready to go, at least as a trial run. I've fixed all of the outstanding bugs. What do you think? -- (WT-en) Mark 09:47, 1 Nov 2005 (EST)

User:(WT-en) Joakim Ziegler
Should User:(WT-en) Joakim Ziegler be de-admined per policy? His user page says he resigned, and he hasn't contributed in seven months. He can always be re-nominated should he return to activity. (I was just reminded of this because I was writing notes to admins to encourage Admin Nomintation input). -- (WT-en) Colin 14:44, 4 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * Yes, I saw it a day or so ago and made a note to de-sysop him. Thanks for the reminder; I just did it. --(WT-en) Evan 19:29, 4 Nov 2005 (EST)

Houston
Currently we have Houston & Houston (Texas). Since this one meets the "most-famous" rule I tried manually copying the contents of Houston (Texas) into Houston, but that failed. Attempting to delete Houston (and thus allow a move of the Houston (Texas) article) also fails. Any chance you could take a look and see what's going on? Thanks! -- (WT-en) Ryan 00:43, 11 Nov 2005 (EST)

I'm so foggy...
Thanks for moving the User talk:(WT-en) Bukele stuff around... I've been very spacey the last few days... :( -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 13:52, 15 Nov 2005 (EST)

RDF/Turtle stuff
So I read the log entry about the RDF stuff, but I've got questions. Should we use the simple Turtle markup that was listed in your second example or the upper version? And if I were to go crazy adding this stuff, where could I see its effect? -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 14:01, 16 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * On your FOAF page and the RDF special page, I get the following whitepage error: "The resource cannot be displayed" So no, I can't see all the hidden stuff on your FOAF page. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 16:01, 16 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * You got it right on Chattanooga; I unfortunately started mixing up MediaWiki templates and RDF syntax in the same posting, which in retrospect was probably pretty confusing. Maybe the best thing is to use a template for this particular task; let's start with Template:isIn, and we can fix it up later, eh? So, to say some place is in San Diego County, you'd write . Sound good? --(WT-en) Evan 16:07, 16 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * Oh, I should probably test on IE. Didn't do so yet, will try later today. --(WT-en) Evan 16:07, 16 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * That's me... the IE kid. At least I don't feel too bad being that guy since it seems to help everyone around here to see the bugs! -- 16:17, 16 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * No, it's good to know. I've been doing some experimentation and template expansion isn't working the way I wanted it to, though. Dang! Back to the drawing board. --(WT-en) Evan 16:39, 16 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * I don't know an awful lot about templates, but how important that it be that way? Could the rdf tags be added to the bottom of the Article templates - at least to begin with?  -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 16:40, 16 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * Yes, absolutely! I was just thinking that using templates would make it easier. --(WT-en) Evan 19:05, 16 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * OK, I think that the isin template works now. --(WT-en) Evan 01:20, 17 Nov 2005 (EST)

So this isIn template - that will handle breadcrumbing eventually, right? What about things like keeping up with the article's status: stub, needs formatting, etc. No pressure... I'm just thinking of the possibilities... -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 14:10, 17 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * Oh, absolutely! That's the whole point of this exercise. Using RDF means we can define all kinds of machine-readable properties and relationships on articles, images, places, people, and things. Some other things I've thought of:

 * License info. Adding multi-licensing information using "cc:licence".
 * Noting that a Wikivoyage article is derived from another article on the Web (like the CIA Factbook, say) and information about who wrote it.
 * Listing related articles; articles about similar places, linking destinations with the phrasebook for the language spoken there, linking itineraries to a destination guide
 * Article status, as you pointed out
 * GPS information.

 * I see three main steps to making any of these initiatives work: 1) find a vocabulary for describing the relationship, 2) adding the statements to articles, and 3) building a user interface to view or query the statements. Probably a 1.5 would be "create MediaWiki template to express the relationship", but I'm not sure that's always going to be the case.

 * I'll try and get an RDF page started today. There's a lot to talk about here. --(WT-en) Evan 14:41, 17 Nov 2005 (EST)

Election for a new administrator in french Wikivoyage
Hi Evan,

There is an election for one new administrator for the french wikivoyage. I've nominated (WT-fr) Julien because he has now a good experience on Wikivoyage (revert spam, check licence compatibility, etc.) and I think it's better to have 2 administrators dedicated to the french version. By the way, (WV-fr) Yann (an admin) has gave up Wikivoyage 6 months ago, what to do with him? --(WT-en) Quirk 15:34, 18 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * Evan, deadline is over, Rikouman has been nominated. Could you set admin rights to him? Thanks. --(WT-en) Quirk 07:31, 26 Nov 2005 (EST)

"Usable" vs. "Guide"
I noticed that you've been starting to get the statuses ("stati"??) updated for some of the US state pages, and was intrigued that you consider both the embryonic New Mexico page and the densely populated Hawaii page to be in the "Usable" class, even though there's a vast difference in content between the two. (I'm getting to the NM page -- patience, patience.) What is HI missing that keeps it from being a Guide in your opinion? And why is NM more than an Outline? Case studies might be useful as the transition to status reports continues; I, for one, would like to hear your reasoning. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 15:21, 20 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * I'm afraid you're probably going to be disappointed. B-) First, although we've got a fuzzy-but-usable set of definitions for the different statuses for city articles, the extension to region, country, phrasebook, itinerary, and travel topic articles is not really clear. So, I think it's going to take some time. Second, if there are 6000 articles divided into 5 status groups, that means there's going to be a lot of variation within each. Third, in doing these status assignments I've tried to use at least the spirit of the statuses. So if you could use a region article as a real guide, then I've been marking it "usable". Fourthly, I haven't been consistent and I think there's going to be a lot of work still to do. Fifth, I was more interested in doing the hierarchy templating rather than status marking, so I wasn't fully concentrating. Sixth: you're right, the NM page wasn't usable, and I've shifted it back down to "outline". Hope that helps. --(WT-en) Evan 18:06, 20 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * Well, that's a good comprehensive answer. :-) You make a good point about different standards for different types of articles, and I think it's an issue even within "cities" as a class.  An incredibly comprehensive guide to Frozen Gopher, Minnesota may take less space than a bare-bones outline for Paris, and it's a high-quality guide we're after here, rather than a judgement of what places provide a high-quality experience (right?).  Some discussion of standards probably needs to occur, but that's a work in progress.

 * Incidentally, I'm starting to populate the New Mexico entry, now that the articles on pieces of the state (at least the ones I know something about) are approaching maturity. You might poke your head back in on it every now and then, although I still have several days' work to do.  I, for one, will be interested in tracking the evolution through Outline, Usable, etc., as seen by someone else.  -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 21:07, 20 Nov 2005 (EST)

Pseudo mirror reads data directly from wikivoyage.org
There is a pseudo mirror ( http://www.wikide.info/, 66.225.237.74) of de: that does neither attribute authors nor gives credits or links to wikivoyage.org in any way. The worst is that it does not actualy mirror, but drawns the data directly from wikivoyage.org and shows them as its own contence. So it uses your resources. I have written them a mail, but I'm not sure if they understand German since the domain is registered in Turkey. Maybe, you should block this server from reading wikivoyage.org by a filter rule. Of course, it's not sure that it reads with the web server's ip. -- (WT-en) Hansm 16:41, 24 Nov 2005 (EST)

I checked their version of Cincinnati since I had tried several months back to translate the English version I had been working on to German and realized that everything seems to be ripped off from the German site. My evidence of this is the Maisonette restaurant, which, in statistical term was the best restaurant in the world. In the English version I make note of the fact that the restaurant has closed forever and will not reopen as was originally planned, however, in the www.wikide.info version the website fails to note this and gives only the info that was on the German version of Wikipedia's Cincinnati page. It doesn't seem that any info has been ripped off from the Engligsh version of Wikipedia.

-(WT-en) Sapphire

After sending a mail to wikide.info, the webmaster has promissed to change the server in accordance to the CC by-sa license and our Terms of use within one week. -- (WT-en) Hansm 03:46, 26 Nov 2005 (EST)

 * Great. I saw your email; thanks for that. I've shut down access from that IP address at the Apache level, so I hope they get their mirror operational some other way soon. --(WT-en) Evan 08:15, 26 Nov 2005 (EST)

Question about Kampong Cham article
I apologize if this is the incorrect medium through which to address this question, but I would like to know how you would like my Kampong Cham article to be improved? I intend to add sections for external links and drink in the future, but would appreciate to know exactly how you would like it to be improved.

Thanks! -CloutierFan02

 * I noted that the article was usable per the Project:article status guidelines. That's a good thing -- it means that the guide would be useful for travellers using it as their sole resource. Note that if you disagree you can change the status.

 * You are not solely responsible for the guide; we all work together to make Wikivoyage guides world-class. So I'm averse to assigning homework for you to do. However, if you're looking for areas of improvement, I think the listings should be more in accordance with the Project:manual of style, that there should be a street map (see Project:Mapmaking Expedition. I wouldn't worry too much about the external links, but if there are bars and cafes in the town, "Drink" would probably be welcome. --(WT-en) Evan 10:23, 6 Dec 2005 (EST)

Santa Fe spam
Unfortunately, it looks like your reverts on the Santa Fe article (see its talk page) didn't help. There was more stuff added from the same address after you made your fix. I deleted part of it (manually, so as not to wipe out the IsIn stuff you did), but another possible spammer address seems to be rearing its head. Bummer. I feel some pride in that article and don't want to see it spam-bombed. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 00:53, 9 Dec 2005 (EST)

Wanna play art critic? ;-)
Thanks for the kind words on the St. Francis photo; and if you don't mind doing a little more looking, then a small favor. I've been putting up a bunch of photographs at my (WT-en) Santa Fe photo page, in anticipation of turning Santa Fe (New Mexico) into a DotM (Ryan has nominated it). I'd like to add one or two more to the page but would value the opinions of you and a few other WT old hands as to which ones to include. Any suggestions/preferences? I can do a little more cropping. Feedback appreciated, and please solicit Maj's opinion too! -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:39, 10 Dec 2005 (EST)

Cyclic redirects
here

and another one here

sv: "Destination of the month"
A question, how or can I edit the "destination of the month" and the log on the first page? I'll bring up a page where users can nominate articles to "destination of the month" but how do I, or we if the others turn up, then edit the "destination of the month"? --(WT-en) Adestro 18:24, 15 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * It looks like someone moved the entire contents into a few templates: sv:Mall:Artiklarna (where the DotM is), sv:Mall:Projekten, sv:Mall:Välkomnar, sv:Mall:Länklistan. You can edit those articles, or you can replace the source for the main page with their content, or whatever. --(WT-en) Evan 20:12, 15 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Yep, found it in a bounch of templates. Thanks. --(WT-en) Adestro 03:57, 16 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * No problem. Let me know if there are any other issues. --(WT-en) Evan 15:35, 16 Dec 2005 (EST)

Taking decisions alone?
Since there is no activity yet on sv:, should I take decisions regarding policies, goals, how articles should look,templates, etc. on my own and then take the discussion as users drop in? If so, I'll try make it as similiar to the en: as possible.

I'm soon finished with all help and information pages, I'll drop a go-between report very soon. --(WT-en) Adestro 18:22, 16 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * I'm not Evan =), but I think yes, it's all up to you now — although the English guidelines should act as a base, and you should ask for feedback from other admins if you want to do something radically different (eg. the template-based listings used on ja:). Please also try to promote the Swedish Wikivoyage on any forums you feel appropriate, so you can get more people on board and kickstart the process. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:49, 17 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Yes, the problem is that none of the other admins are active. I've tried contacting some of them on Wikipedia but they're not answering. I will start to promote it as soon as I'm finished with the help and information articles. :) --(WT-en) Adestro 10:33, 17 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * I agree that as the sole active admin (and, really, the only active user) you have a lot of discretion, and I advise you to plunge forward and do what seems right. Take a decision, state it, and see if anyone argues.

 * I would appreciate it, though, if you factor in compatibility with rules on en: wikivoyage.org, or ones already established on sv:. Also, changing the goals is questionable -- people come to http://sv.wikivoyage.org/wiki/ for a Swedish-language Wikivoyage -- not, say, a shoestore advertisement or a Flash game about monkeys. --(WT-en) Evan 11:32, 17 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * Yes, I will try to get the other admins in. As for the goals I will probably just translate the en: article. --(WT-en) Adestro 11:49, 17 Dec 2005 (EST)

Go-between sv: log available
I've put a log at Project:18_December_2005. Please read it and tell me, in that article, what you think. (WT-en) Adestro 16:02, 18 Dec 2005 (EST)

Removing inactive sysops & message notification
Jpatokal said I should contact you regarding removing inactive sysops. Is that possible? New people have dropped in I know some people from Wikipedia that I'd like to nominate for sysop.

 * Yes, of course you should. I've de-admined the two admins who haven't been active for more than 3 months (our time limit on en:; I guess it should be the same for sv:). Let me know if you think others should be admins; a vote or nomination process would be nice, though. --(WT-en) Evan 19:50, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

Also, why is there no message notification system here like on Wikipedia? Like a string of text at the top of the page when you log in telling you that you got new messages. Or is that something Wikipedia have developed on their own? --(WT-en) Adestro 17:12, 19 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * See Project:Bug reports. New message notification is turned off because we use a special caching system. It'd probably be nice to implement just for when you log in. It's probably the worst bug with the caching system right now. --(WT-en) Evan 19:50, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

Usage problems
Hi Evan! Swedish Wikivoyage has a few technical issues where we need some urgent assistance. Please have a look at your talk page Talk:Evan. Kind Regards, (WT-en) Riggwelter 04:15, 30 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * I've dealt with the easy ones. A couple of things: you can link to an sv: page like this: sv: pagename . So sv:Anv%C3%A4ndardiskussion:Evan should work. Also, bug reports should probably go on Project:Bug reports. --(WT-en) Evan 20:01, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

Illinois and state regions
Sigh... So the top-level page is reverted. I am not skillful enough with markup to avoid a circular redirect on the regions. Want to have a go at it?

The practice on region names in states isn't really uniform, whatever the convention is. I dug into some of the region names in other states (e.g. Central (New Mexico), which in fact you set up originally) and observe that there is inconsistency even within individual states (check out Ohio and its regions). Majority practice so far seems to be to create regions with the syntax "North(ern) (foo)" for state regions based on compass points, but descriptive regions (e.g. Chicagoland in Illinois) without the state name. This is as I had Illinois before today's revert, but whatever. I'm not sure this is a battle worth fighting, but in any event, someone else can fight it. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:57, 30 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * The important thing to remember is that the parentheses aren't part of the article name. And I think we need to revisit the regions in NM; you're right, they sound wrong. --(WT-en) Evan 14:07, 30 Dec 2005 (EST)

What is it?
What is isin? (WT-en) Kingjeff 19:15, 30 Dec 2005 (EST)

 * See Project:Breadcrumb navigation. --(WT-en) Evan 19:41, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

Issues
Hi Evan! Swedish Wikivoyage has, again, some technical issues where we need some assistance. Please have a look at your talk page Talk:Evan. Our admin, Adestro, is also waiting for his issue regarding removing old and inactive admins. Kind Regards, (WT-en) Riggwelter 15:52, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

wikiHow
Hi Evan, my name is Jack Herrick and I'm one of the founders over at wikiHow, which is a wiki site trying to build a how-to manual. I've been a long time admirer of wikiTravel. Congrats on starting something that is already useful and will become increasingly so. I noticed on your user page that you will be in the bay area for the next few days. I live in Palo Alto and would love to get lunch with you if you are in the area. Let me know if you will be available. I won't check my wikiTravel talk page, but you can leave me a note at jackspam@ehow.com or on my wikiHow talk page http://wiki.ehow.com/User_talk:JackHerrick

Best,

Jack H.

automatic templates
I was wondering if there was some possibility to have some "automatic expanding template". To explain it I make the reference to signatures: you write a certain code --~ it will be changed into certain information.

Since most of our destinations have a pretty fixed layout, it would be very practical to write --country-- and see it replaced with ==understand== ==do== ==see== ==travel== ... I think this would benefit to everyone: longtime users don't have to go copy paste for every new destination and new users will follow our layout better. Is this possible? --(WT-en) Twopeak 06:18, 3 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Things work like this on en:; the article at Template:Smallcity is inserted when you add to a page and save it. --(WT-en) Evan 11:37, 3 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * Great, it works on the dutch site as well! Thank you. On little thing though: there are now 3 pages with the template: the extended template, the quick template and the subsitute template. I guess the answer will be no, but it would be nice if all could take titles from the extended template (so it only needs to be changed once) --(WT-en) Twopeak 12:08, 5 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * That would be nice, and no, there's not an easy way to do that. On the plus side, after the first few weeks those templates aren't going to change very often. --(WT-en) Evan 12:13, 5 Jan 2006 (EST)

new WikiTraveller in Menlo Park
Evan, I am a relatively new, but already addicted WikiTraveller. I see you are going to be in the Bay Area until next week and wondered if you had time for lunch or coffee? Would love to learn about how I can get more involved. You can drop me a note on my talk page if you have time. Thanks, --(WT-en) Kirasw 4 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Argh! We're leaving the Bay Area early tomorrow; we've been doing family stuff most of the time (everyone wants to meet the 4-month-old baby). I'll respond to your email; maybe we could have a quick coffee at Kepler's? --(WT-en) Evan 00:42, 5 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Too bad! I thought you were in town until the 14th. I am booked most of the day at work tomorrow (darn that work thing), but I could probably get together later in the day. Sounds like you will already be gone? Maybe we can connect on the phone? --(WT-en) Kirasw 5 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * We're in Southern California until the 14th. Sorry I missed you, but I'd love to talk by phone if you'd like. I'll send email with my contact details. --(WT-en) Evan 00:30, 7 Jan 2006 (EST)

Editing navigation menu?
Is it possible to edit the navigation menu somehow? The name of the "Traveler's Pub"-item in the menu on sv: isn't what it's called. --(WT-en) Adestro 18:32, 6 Jan 2006 (EST)

Spam attack
The two attacks occured a few hours apart, and each attack inserted a different URL, so the second attack was immune to a spam filter. If we catch an attack, we can halt it midstream with the filter, but since the attack only lasted 10 minutes... Of course, even IP Blocking doesn't really work. We're just forcing them to get a zombie per edit, which isn't very hard. Any other ideas on how to handle this? In theory one could have a Tool that analyizes recent changes for a given suspect URL, figures out the set of users involved, and then rolls back those changes even when multiple users alter a single file... but that sounds like work. -- (WT-en) Colin 01:15, 7 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Yeah, it seems like it was really hard. I didn't realize the URLs were rotating too. I guess a two-pronged approach (blocking IPs plus blocking URLs) is the best we can do. There are probably also some other things we could flag (multiple identical diffs from non-logged-in users, for example). --(WT-en) Evan 01:37, 7 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Looks like User:(WT-en) Mark was somehow clobbered by whatever happened too. At least when I try to access his pages, bizarre redirects happen.  Is that just me?  Can you see his page? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 15:16, 8 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * As (WT-en) Huttite pointed out, it's an error in our caching system. It writes HTML files to the file system, and when looking for http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Mark Apache will take either http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Mark..html or http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Mark.html. I'll see if I can figure out a way to make it check the difference. --(WT-en) Evan 00:19, 9 Jan 2006 (EST)

Steffen M.
Hi! After an argument with an other user our Admin (WT-de) Steffen M. has asked me to write you. I should ask you to remove his amin-status. Today he removed all information from his userpage. Maybe you ask him before you do it - when he answers. I hope my Enlish is not too bad. Greetings from the beautiful Cambodia -- (WT-en) DerFussi 06:46, 9 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Your English is fine, but we do need an active go-between for this kind of problem. Would you do it?

 * I'll try to contact Steffen M. through email and see what the issue is. Meanwhile, can you figure out a way to resolve their argument? Also, enjoy Cambodia! --(WT-en) Evan 11:55, 9 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * I can do that. But I hope he will reply to your message. These both users had some arguments. The problem was: It's hard to persuade Steffen M.'s opponent. He is a little bit obstinate and he thinks that everybody works against him and against our rules. And Steffen M. has used some wrongs. So the discussions escalated. I've just started a new discussion about the geographical hierarchy in Germany. And I hope a lot of users will participate. -- (WT-en) DerFussi 00:10, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

Using Wikimedia Commons
What's your opinion on uploading and retrieving images from [Wikimeda Commons] to spare bandwith on your server(s) and make the images available to others? We've had a discussion about this and decided it was best to ask you. Even though Wikivoyage ain't any Wikipedia sister-project, I like this idea. --(WT-en) Adestro 10:19, 9 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * We have a shared image repository for the Wikivoyage language versions. The server is doing fine w/r/t bandwidth; serving images is fine. --(WT-en) Evan 11:34, 9 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Oh, didn't know about that. Will there be some kind of structure on the page or are images just randomly uploaded? I could make and maintain a register at the main page, if noone else isn't working on that. --(WT-en) Adestro 16:09, 9 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * It's brand new, just a couple of days old. I think probably having some kind of geographical hierarchy would be useful. Let's discuss there. --(WT-en) Evan 16:18, 9 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * I started a discussion Here. --(WT-en) Adestro 16:34, 9 Jan 2006 (EST)

New swedish admin
Hi Evan, I have been elected new admin at swedish Wikipedia, according to this election process. Could you carry out the necessary settings adjustments, pls? (WT-en) Riggwelter 10:25, 12 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * I hereby confirm that the process is valid. --(WT-en) Adestro 10:39, 12 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Please let me know when the change is carried out. (WT-en) Riggwelter 10:58, 14 Jan 2006 (EST)

Terms of use
Evan, I am working on the translation of pages in the Wikivoyage:-namespace, but have found a sentence which for me is impossible to translate (just because of the web-technical lingo...so, I suppose I am ignorant in that sense). The sentence is to be found in Project:Terms of use and goes: For this reason, we ask that individuals or organizations wishing to re-distribute Wikivoyage content do not serve images from Wikivoyage for inclusion in their own pages, nor put Wikivoyage pages into framesets. Now, I understand what it says, and I know how I would like to put it in swedish, but the very meaning of it is incomprehensible. This has mainly to do with the parts regarding "serve images" and "put into framesets", which means absolutely nothing to me... Can you shed some light over it....? (WT-en) Riggwelter 03:56, 13 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Basically, if somebody wants to reuse an image from Wikivoyage, they should make a local copy and use that copy. They should not load the image directly from Wikivoyage's servers each time somebody accesses their page. (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:01, 13 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Cheers, I thought it was something like that. But what about the frameset thingy? (WT-en) Riggwelter 05:28, 13 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Pretty much the same thing -- sites should not just add a wrapper around the page, so it looks like their own content, when it's actually downloading straight from Wikivoyage's servers. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:55, 13 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Thanks! Problem sorted. (WT-en) Riggwelter 06:05, 13 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Excellent! --(WT-en) Evan 11:46, 13 Jan 2006 (EST)

Good Welcome
Hi Evan, I just want to say that I thought that dual welcome to User:(WT-en) Tofoo was about the best wikiwelcome I've seen. I find the boilerplate in general to be a bit, well, stiff and automatic, so I thought this time that a good way to avoid that feeling would be to put it off for a bit. What you showed me is that it's possible perhaps to fix the boilerplate so that it doesn't pretend to be a personal message, and then to append it to a real heart-felt wealcome. Let's do that. -- (WT-en) Mark 16:38, 16 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * Swedish Wikivoyage has made two welcome templates, one for anonymous users in order to get them to sign up, and one for newly signed up users. Feel free to copy it. (WT-en) Riggwelter 13:14, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)

Boy that was fast

 * 1) (diff) (hist) . . m Geneva; 01:18 . . Evan (Talk) (italics for foreign words)
 * 2) (diff) (hist) . . m Geneva; 01:18 . . Brendio (Talk) (French: Genève, German: Genf)

Gangwon - Copyright issues
Please see Talk:Gangwon and User talk:(WT-en) Okay95 to give an opinion on a copyright permission from the Gangwon Provincial Government. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:11, 20 Jan 2006 (EST)

Mirroring WikiTravel
Hi Evan, i just moved over the discussion about mirroring Wikivoyage from de:Project:Stammtisch, since you've answered me directly there in english. Well, i understand that a site should not draw the data directly from wikivoyage.org to present it on their own page, but i'm confused how a mirror could be established, since there is no database dump available. I made some tries to mirror it with wget over http, but since the pages do not include last-modified headers, timestamping does not work. Do you maybe have any ideas how to handle that? --Tom 13:41, 21. Jan. 2006 (CET)

 * Hi, Tom. I just checked and Wikivoyage web pages do set the Last-modified header, and MediaWiki and Apache both honor the If-Modified-Since request header. Special:Recentchanges is available as an RSS or Atom feed; that would probably be an easy way to track updates to the site. Please go easy; I think the typical polite limit for automated RSS readers is a maximum of one hit every 30 minutes. --(WT-en) Evan 14:39, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)

ja: time to admin Shoestring
14 days have passed and it's 4 for and 0 zero, so I think it's time to admin up ja:利用者:(WT-ja) Shoestring. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:22, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Thanks. One more niggly admin thing for ja: — could you set the Recent changes text to this attempted edit?  The current text is quite confusing. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:17, 24 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Sure, it's done. I did an editorial move and removed the meta.wikimedia.org link at the end. --(WT-en) Evan 11:04, 24 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Can you also remove the "また次のページも参照して下さい. " bit at the end? It says "Please also look at the following link", which is kinda pointless now that said link is gone. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:31, 26 Jan 2006 (EST)

Using a robot / script
Hi Evan! We're considering to ban the section external links from our articles. Is it possible to have the work done by a robot? I think, HansM is the only user who is familiar with that. But he's not active at the moment.

Thanks! Greetings from the cold Germany -- (WT-en) DerFussi 02:19, 25 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * We've got a low of -7C and a high of 1C today... Then again, that's pretty warm for this time of year in Montreal. Anyways, yes, it's possible. --09:32, 25 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Check it out: -- (WT-en) Mark 09:41, 25 Jan 2006 (EST)

Could my Web site qualify as travel news?
Some high school friends and I have created a travel networking site at www.travbuddy.com Could I write a news article about the site, its growth, and our goals? Or would that be considered a form of advertising?

Please advise derek AT travbuddy.com or write back here... if thats how this works :)

Thanks!

pt: account created
Please check my account at Usuário:Rmx. I'm terribly busy at my job today but I hope to work a lot on pt: this afternoon. I am very excited about it too. Thanks for your efforts, (WT-en) Rmx 09:10, 27 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * Hi, Evan. Thanks for setting up the stuff on the Portuguese version. I tried editing 3 or 4 of the interface messages (by clicking the name then using editing screen) but the inserted text wouldn't show up on Allmessages nor become effective on the site itself. I'm not sure if I'm doing it correctly but it looks like the names that you have edited aren't being modified too. Could you please give me a hand there? Thanks! (WT-en) Rmx 07:51, 30 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * It worked! The changes became effective. Thanks! (WT-en) Rmx 06:59, 1 Feb 2006 (EST)


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User talk:EvanProdromou/Oct 2004

See also: User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Archives

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Hi Evan, congratulation for the good idea of Wikivoyage. I would like to ask you a favour. Would it be possible to include Hotel "Café del Sol" in the map you made for Monterrico, Guatemala. It could be included as number 9 on the map and is located next to the Animal Desconocido at the left side. Thanks very much and all the best for your wedding. Cheers! Thomas cafedelsol@tiscali.ch

1.3.4 bugs

 * Search doesn't work
 * Images in articles are broken
 * Recent changes header formatting is screwy

Happy upgrading =) (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:11, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * OK, I see search and the RC problem, but what's wrong with images? They look good on my user page and on the main page. Any others out there? --(WT-en) Evan 05:32, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * Images look fine for me, but anyway, I don't care so much for this details right now. Just wanted to say "Thank you" for the great job you have done this night. As far as I have seen, that were some pretty hard hours of work during all the night. Time to go to bed, ... and have a look on the German Wikivoyage when up again. -- (WT-en) Hansm 07:17, 2004 Oct 7 (EDT)

 * Thanks to you! And the other great people who've been working so hard on German Wikivoyage without even having a Wiki available! I think the German site looks great. --(WT-en) Evan 07:19, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * Most images have now cleared up, but Off the beaten track in Japan is still barfing this at me:

Warning: imagejpeg: Unable to open '/home/virtual/site30/fst/var/www/html/en/upload/thumb/0/04/180px-Kazurabashi_IyaValley2.JPG' for writing in /home/virtual/site30/fst/var/www/html/en/includes/Image.php on line 232

Warning: stat: Stat failed for /home/virtual/site30/fst/var/www/html/en/upload/thumb/0/04/180px-Kazurabashi_IyaValley2.JPG (errno=2 - No such file or directory) in /home/virtual/site30/fst/var/www/html/en/includes/Image.php on line 246

Warning: unlink(/home/virtual/site30/fst/var/www/html/en/upload/thumb/0/04/180px-Kazurabashi_IyaValley2.JPG): No such file or directory in /home/virtual/site30/fst/var/www/html/en/includes/Image.php on line 249

 * See also my post to the Project:Travellers' pub. But thanks for the hard work! (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:48, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Serious Problem in German Version
When editing a page, there appears a message on the bottom of the page saying that all submitteded work is GFDL licenced. This might become a dangerous problem, of course. Problem: The text must come from some other source than the LanguageDe.php file. I already have searched for it and didn't find. The verbously copied text is:

Bitte beachten Sie, dass alle Wikivoyage-Beiträge automatisch unter der "GNU Freie          Dokumentationslizenz" stehen. Falls Sie nicht möchten, dass Ihre Arbeit hier von anderen verändert und verbreitet wird, dann drücken Sie nicht auf "Speichern".

-- (WT-en) Hansm 10:03, 2004 Oct 7 (EDT)

 * This is fixed now, I think. --(WT-en) Evan 16:00, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * Yes, looks fine now. Thank you. -- (WT-en) Hansm 17:45, 2004 Oct 7 (EDT)

License of German Wikivoyage is CC by-sa 1.0
Evan, please have a look at de:Project talk:Creative Commons Lizenzentwurf - Namensnennung — Weitergabe unter gleichen Bedingungen 2.0. I hope, things will turn out to be less critical than they have seemed to you at the first view. -- (WT-en) Hansm 04:14, 2004 Oct 9 (EDT)

Sysops
Evan! I read your messege to (WT-sv) Lamré on Swedish Wikivoyage about sysop status. In the beginning, I think it's necessary for us to have a few administrators, in order to solve some of the simple (non software) problems ourselves. Some of the people that so far have contributed to Swedish Wikivoyage are also known to me through Wikipedia. It is my firm belief that all trusted users should be granted sysop status. Of course we are also used to the democratic ways of voting before making someone a sysop of before deleting an article or blocking a user. Anyhow, I think it's important that we, at least in the beginning, have more then one admin. If you could grant me beaurocrat status, I can myself make that happen.

One problem that probably is very easy to solve is the minor edit letter in recent changes. I have changed M to m (to seperate it to otherwise similiar N), but it doesn't execute. Because only a sysop can change the minor edit letter, I cannot ask any of my "colleages" to have a try, instead I have to burden you with this small matter. I hope you see my point. :) Yours, (WT-en) Alers 14:02, 9 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * OK, so, a couple of things: first, we don't use the database messages on wikivoyage.org, so I have to edit the LanguageXX.php files by hand. It's too bad, but the performance cost of using the DB messages is too high (Wikimedia uses a special program to make those database messages work, and we can't run it on our servers). I'm thinking that's what you expect you need a lot of administrators for; I think at least for that purpose it's a moot point. I have some ideas for how we can sync up on language file changes, but mostly: they're going to have to come through me. That's OK with me, by the way -- no big deal.

 * Second, I understand your idea that all trusted users should be granted sysop status, but... we kinda don't do it that way here. We really emphasize that everyone should be making decisions, taking responsibility, and taking action. I don't mean any disrespect to my fellow admins, but I think there are quite a few other users who have put in more time and effort and make more important contributions than the people who have their admin bit flipped. In fact, it's extremely rare (I'm having a hard time coming up with an example) that any of us uses our admin super-powers except to do what the community tells us to. I guess what I'm saying is that being an admin on Wikivoyage is much, much less important than being one on Wikipedia or other Wikimedia wikis.

 * Lastly, and to be most blunt, I don't feel comfortable giving you the ability to make admins. sv: is the first Wikivoyage language version where none of the original team has any significant experience with Wikivoyage in another language. So, I don't have enough personal experience with you to know that you understand the Wikivoyage culture, and that you'll pass that along to the other admins you bless. More importantly, the Wikivoyage community hasn't really given me the mandate to do that. Although we've had the go-between be an admin himself for each new language so far, and we've had one admin elected on one of the non-English versions (fr:), it just hasn't come up. I'm going to bring it up on Project:language version policy, and let's see how it works out.

 * I'm sorry to sound like a jerk, but... that's kind of the way we do things around here: lots of talking, discussing, consensus. Things move slower here than on a Wikipedia, and we also have a much closer integration between the different language version communities. I hope that doesn't put you off too much. --(WT-en) Evan 20:59, 9 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * No problem. As you point out, I have little experience of Wikivoyage, thus I'm very much stuck in the Wikipedia way of thinking. I'll just add this to the info about what an admin is and is not, and that, so far, you are the only beaurocrat on Swedish Wikivoyage. Another question; where do you want me as a go-between to report the progresses made in the Swedish Wikivoyage? --(WT-en) Alers 05:09, 10 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * That'd be the Project:Logbook. Just add a new entry for the date you're making the report, and write up what's been happening. What have the controversies been? What are the interesting areas of development? What are the challenges and what are the achievements? That kind of thing. --(WT-en) Evan 11:09, 10 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * We currently have three entries in the logbook on the main page. With two more languages, more go-betweens will be making reports. Should we have more log entries? -(WT-en) phma 18:16, 10 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * Err... I dunno. Wanna say that we keep 3 entries or entries for the last two weeks -- whichever is longer? --(WT-en) Evan 18:18, 10 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Hierarchy
I seemed to have annoyed you by mentioning Los Angeles in the pub. I'm glad you're happy with the districts (although I can't find a map that gives me a sensible idea of where they fall, however, since I won't have anything to contribute to that article in the foreseeable future).

 * No, you didn't annoy me at all. If I can't explain policy (or, rather, the heuristics for making good hierarchies) well, that's my own fault. Or else we don't have very good policy (or heuristics).

I'm not just idly baiting people on the metropolitan area question, I really am stuck on what to do about refactoring Sydney. Your implied test was "legal and traditional boundaries". The "traditional boundaries" test gives an answer that's huge (people will tell you they live in "Sydney" for about a 50-100km radius, and further, they wouldn't take so kindly to being told that you only live in "real" Sydney if you're near the harbour -- that bit is called "the city" sure, but everything is equally Sydney) and the "legal boundaries" test gives a very small business district with very few tourist attractions. Thus, I really would like to know how people have been making these decisions, but either I'm asking in an irritating way, or the answers are so obvious to everyone that they can't explain them.

 * You seem to be really adverse to making the Sydney Metropolitan Area into an article. I don't know anything about the political divisions in the city, but maybe WikiPedia:Sydney could be of some help?

 * Sydney already is that article (you can think of "Sydney" and "Sydney Metropolian Area" as being synomymous, it's pretty much true). So that article pretty much exists, except that the districts are Sydney/ names and it sounds like you'd prefer Inner West (Sydney) to Sydney/Inner West and Balmain (a suburb in the Inner West) rather than Sydney/Balmain.

 * The big problem with Sydney as a region article is getting us locals to think of Sydney as a region with little cities inside it. The government does think of it that way, but we don't. -- (WT-en) Hypatia 03:25, 12 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Anyway, in some ways I think Los Angeles may have some similarities to Sydney, hence why I raised it. -- (WT-en) Hypatia 14:01, 10 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * Well, we lucked out with Southern California. There are sub-state governmental divisions called counties in most states in the US (they're called parishes in Louisiana), and although they're sometimes kind of meaningless, in the case of Southern California they provide very definite cultural divisions, too. So once we had that, we could talk about Southern California as a group of a few counties, then make articles for each county, and then add the city articles for each city in the county. This made life a little easier.

 * I really think it's a lot better to have a Hermosa Beach article for that city than to have Los Angeles/Hermosa Beach just because Hermosa is "part of" Los Angeles. It's easier to make links, and it's easier for people to find. There's just no reason to overuse the "/" syntax. --(WT-en) Evan 16:11, 11 Oct 2004 (EDT)

 * I guess most of the problem is that Sydney has something like 200 suburbs. If we really need to write articles at the suburb level, then it will be an enormous amount of time before Sydney is even moderately complete. (I've lived there for 7 years and I've visited perhaps 40 of them. Getting a short list of places to sleep, resturants, and bars for each suburb is a list of over 1000 individual outlets. I just looked at North Sydney, the area I live in, and found 20 suburbs I'd never even heard of.) On the other hand, the wikivoyage hierachy doesn't leave us much choice at least as I read it.

 * Or is there some way to only write up the popular suburbs? Previous experience suggests that as soon as I mention a place name someone will red-link it. I'd really like a division for Sydney that lets us write up popular suburbs (Bondi, Balmain, Manly... there's probably 30 or 40 with major cultural interest) but that doesn't make Sydney incomplete until we've written up 200 suburbs. -- (WT-en) Hypatia

Ann Arbor
Alright, thanks for the advice. I think I misunderstood (WT-en) Huttite's note; I left a slightly annoyed rebuttal on his/her talk page. --(WT-en) Tloger

Server Shutdown?
It looks as if you had been shutting down the server for a while. I hope, this was not because of my sweet little (WT-de) Landbot which is initializing the country article pages with a skeleton on the German site. (You know, I like bots ;-)) Anyway, it is already running for about 8 h and if you should worry about, stop it by editing de:Benutzer:(WT-de) Landbot/Run. -- (WT-en) Hansm 18:37, 2004 Oct 12 (EDT)

 * No, the server hasn't been shut down. --(WT-en) Evan 10:29, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Recent Changes broken?
Special:RecentCcanges appears to be frozen around 23:13 on 12 Oct? It's missing new pages listed in Special:Newpages and a whole lot more... (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:41, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Spam filter problems
Here's the first spam filter problem: Chiang Mai's venerable (and quite legit) "Porn Ping Hotel", URL p*ornpinghotelchiangmai.com, is triggering it... (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:23, 13 Oct 2004 (EDT)

New skin
Hello Evan, at the moment Wikivoyage is using the same monobook-skin as Wikipedia. I think we should develop a new skin for Wikivoyage to be more distinguish that this isn't Wikipedia (example). I'm thinking if using a blue color (from the logo) for the borderlines (which are now grey) and a larger version of the logo as a background. You can import my skin from too see what it could look like. I can't make it work properly in Internet Explorer, though. Is it a good idea? (WT-en) Väsk 07:03, 15 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Congrats
Hey! I know I've said it before, and now I'm saying it again. You'll get snail-mail to this extent eventually, when I am done procrastinating.

Happy wedding! -- (WT-en) Mark

Congratulations to you both! -- (WT-en) Colin 03:26, 19 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Congratulations, Mr. and Mrs. User-colon-Evan ! So, did you go anywhere exotic on the honeymoon ? -- (WT-en) DavidCary 18:09, 23 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Navigation bar
Hello, I was wondering why the navigation bar was changing all the time, especially concerning the part Other sites/languages. Sometimes you get 4 languages, sometimes only 1 or 2. Why?

 * Because sometimes there's an analogous article in one of other other language versions, and sometimes there isn't. If we don't have an article in Swedish about Lubbock, it doesn't make sense to have a link to that article. Sometimes it's just that nobody's put in the inter-language links necessary. --(WT-en) Evan 14:07, 19 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Search broken
Hi, this is Magnus from Wikipedia. I didn't find an email for this, so I'll just bug you ;-)

I tried to find an entry about "Duisburg" here, but both the Go and Search button gave me a
 * For query ""
 * Badly formed search query

Same for "London", which I then ran as a test. Can you forward this bug to your mailing list/tech guys? Thanks, Magnus.

 * Magnus, I don't know if you'll ever come back to see this, but it's listed on Project:Bug reports 1.3.5 -- (WT-en) Hypatia 09:18, 23 Oct 2004 (EDT)

search does not work... wiki is useless (2004.10.23.21:31)

 * Yes, saw it, thanks! --Magnus

 * Magnus: it's fixed now. --(WT-en) Evan 15:49, 25 Oct 2004 (EDT)

more congratulations
Evan, just read your good news. Congratulations! The WikiTravel site is a fantastic idea, too. One of these days, when I get up the nerve, I'd like to add some bits and pieces on Siberia, St. Petersburg, Greece (of course! Crete and Nafpaktos in particular) and Poland... In the meantime, all the best, Margarita

 * Is this M-a-r, g-a-r, i-t-a? (Sorry, I can't sing it that well on the wiki.) That Margarita? --(WT-en) Evan 16:17, 25 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Yup. That Margarita (although the hair is not as big these days). M

Test Wikivoyage
Did you ever get a test Wikivoyage up for bots to try out? -(WT-en) phma 07:50, 28 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Bot identification
Hey!

Would you mind terribly identifying the new bots as bots in the db, thusly:

UPDATE user SET user_rights='bot' WHERE user_name='InterLangBot';

Thanks

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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User talk:EvanProdromou/Oct-Nov 2006

See also User talk:(WT-en) Evan/Archives

Please direct the following questions to the right spots:

 * Technical requests like feature requests or bug reports should be posted using the tool at wts:Technical requests.

Evan,, What a great site for peolpe like me that LOVE to travel. My wife and I caught the travel bug 10 years ago and have taken at least two trips a year since. However, we recently discovered a travel club that allows us to travel every month if we choose because of the ridiculous deals they can offer by buying travel packages in bulk.(Kinda like the Wallmart of Travel). I would like to talk to you if possible about sharing this idea with you. You can also go to tropicalgetaways.worldventures.biz for more information. Please contact me when you have time at aplapiana@yahoo.com or by phone 702-480-7673. Thanks! Tony

Sex Tourism Dispute
Evan, would please take a look at the Sex Tourism talkpage in the main Wikipedia when you have chance. We are in a big dispute, and you look like you have some invaluable knowledge on the subject. I'm trying to show that there are forms of sex tourism that are not abusive, but the editor disputing me has more sources via the advocacy groups and political organization. As you may know there are not many external references that describe sex tourism beyond that, and I'm basically at the mercy of original research. Would you please see the discussion. (WT-en) KyndFellow 03:28, 5 November 2006 (EST)

 * "You look like you have some invaluable knowledge on the subject."

 * I think he's calling you a pervert. :) -- 71.72.212.152 18:14, 15 November 2006 (EST)

eo
Would you please add the text I've added to to. It's the same short cut to every other language version's recent changes page that we use on every other version. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 00:11, 2 October 2006 (EDT)

hu
Hey Evan! I am happy to help in the Hungarian Wikivoyage Expedition, however as my schedule is changing quite frequently, I don't have time to be there all the time. If it is still OK, I'm in. -- (WT-en) bujatt 18:20, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

 * That's great! I'll get the site set up to go, can you contact the people on the team to tell them we're ready to start soon? --(WT-en) Evan 19:36, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Yepp, I wrote to their talk pages, and emailed those two who have email receiving enabled. --(WT-en) bujatt 05:51, 5 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Two guys replied already as they are fascinated to join the expedition. What will be the next step? Let's communicate on talk page. -- (WT-en) bujatt 07:27, 6 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Hey Evan! I have started editing the language file. I would like hu:User:(WT-hu) Strapontin to become a sysop so he could also contribute to it. How can I make it? --(WT-en) bujatt 14:17, 8 October 2006 (EDT)

 * You can't, yet. Typically for new expeditions the liaison (you) becomes an admin, and then a voting system for new admins is put in place. However, for this time, I've followed your request and made Strapontin an admin. For some longtime admins, I've turned over admin-making to the local wiki. --(WT-en) Evan 11:03, 12 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Thanks.

We have found quite a few bugs, some of these are technical. Could you please take a look at our buglist, I've translated it to English. - (WT-en) bujatt 06:02, 22 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Sure. New bug reports should go on wts:Technical requests, please. --(WT-en) Evan 12:49, 22 October 2006 (EDT)

Hi Evan! I'm an either editor from Hungarian Wikivoyage. Several days ago, I checked-in to be a sysop. You see, I got positive votes here. How can I get the rights? I think, I can get them from you! :) Please! Thx! (WT-hu) Dorgan 14:41, 18 November 2006 (EST)

 * Hi, Dorgan! Sounds great. I don't want to be a jerk, but... I don't speak Hungarian, and I'm not 100% sure I understand that nomination page. It looks fine to me, but I'm pretty sure you'd rather I didn't make people admins just because they told me they should be and pointed to a believable-looking page. To be on the safe side, I've asked Bujatt to confirm. Once that's done, I'll get it done immediately! --20:42, 18 November 2006 (EST)

You see, you've got an answer :). Thank you for the rights! (WV-hu) Dorgan 02:52, 19 November 2006 (EST)

RDF extension
I'm setting up a travel related wiki, and would like it very much to use the RDF/Breadcrumb navigation code to organize the content. What's the latest version of the RDF extension? The one in MW SVN is 0.4, but I've seen you refer to 0.5 somewhere in the talk pages here but couldn't download it from the URL provided. Also, what's is the skin modification that is needed to display the breadcrumbs? -- (WT-en) Alex

 * I'll see if I can track those down for you. --(WT-en) Evan 08:52, 4 October 2006 (EDT)

Re:[en] International Wikivoyager Get-together
Hi! Thank you for your message on my ja. user page. O.K. I will work it on this weekend.--(WT-en) Shoestring 08:17, 5 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Hi! I have uploaded the information today as follows:--(WT-en) Shoestring 07:22, 8 October 2006 (EDT)

Re: reverted addition to Phnom Penh page
Hi Evan. You just reverted out my reference to the Phnom Penh visitors guide on the Phnom Penh page. Did I breach wikivoyage etiquette by mentioning this guide, or did I include it in the wrong spot? If so, my sincerest apologies. (WT-en) hopha 14:45, 5 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Not at all, I was wrong not to add a note to the Talk: age. I got called away to the phone right afterwards, my fault entirely. We have some rules about linking to other guides, see Project:External links. --(WT-en) Evan 15:20, 5 October 2006 (EDT)

ES Admin
Maybe I'm just impatient, but I was nominated on Sept. 26 and I have enough support there. Are you the one who grants the admin status? I'd much appreciate it. (WT-en) Texugo 20:40, 9 October 2006 (EDT)

Happy Birthday!

 * Happy Birthday! I like Ravi's cooking so I'm giving you one of his scrumdiddlyumptous cakes. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 18:55, 14 October 2006 (EDT)
 * I knew a little fishing would work. Thanks! --(WT-en) Evan 20:51, 14 October 2006 (EDT)

 * I second the cake-giving. Have a good one. -- (WT-en) Ryan 21:32, 14 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Joyeux 38! :) - (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 22:48, 14 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Dang! Missed by a day. Hope you had a great birthday! — (WT-en) Ravikiran 13:22, 15 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Opps. I just checked my mail for the first time in days and got the note from networking site.. Happy Birthday (if late)! -- (WT-en) Mark 16:25, 15 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Another late HB from me too... -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 16:47, 15 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Happy bday from me too. That explains why we haven't seen you on IRC lately. You must be recovering from the party still. :) --(WT-en) Dawnview 13:12, 17 October 2006 (EDT)

Markha Valley Trek
''I'd think that a trek would be more of an itinerary than a region. --(WT-en) Evan 11:40, 17 October 2006 (EDT)''

 * There isn't an Itinerary template among the options available at the top of new pages, so I chose the one which seemed most appropriate - that for National Park. And, in some ways, this template is better than the Itinerary one as it offers a comprehensive choice of sleep options, plus sub-sections for adding info on climate, flora and fauna etc. Actually, none of the current templates provide sufficient information options for someone embarking on a long mountain trek. They all have to be adapted. Therefore, I think designing a new template specially for this purpose (possibly a combination of the National Park and Itinerary templates) would be a good idea. Thoughts? (WT-en) WindHorse 21:25, 17 October 2006 (EDT)

Pashley as admin!
Hi Evan

Just thought I'd drop you a quick message to say that (WT-en) Pashley needs to be admin-ed! He's been waiting a few days I believe. Sorry for bothering you if he already is, but I cant see his name on the list. --(WT-en) Tim 15:21, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Done! Thanks for the reminder. --(WT-en) Evan 15:39, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

Problems with Italian Wikivoyage
Server is very slow! Editing pages is a hard task. We waste lot of time. Please rescue us from this ugly situation! Gobbler
 * Something goes wrong with the item Other sites into the Navigation bar

Zeke's Gallery
Howdy!

Adapting to 'local mores' - Just dropping you a line to apologize for missing your presentation, and to remind you to swing by so we can discuss Bruleurs further. My 'local mores' are more pedestrian and can be done using a phone or walking in the door. (tee-hee!) Zeke's Gallery 19:00 21 October 2006 (EDT)

Blinky test
Blink blink blink. --207.134.56.158 11:39, 22 October 2006 (EDT)

 * Of course I still don't see it in Konqueror, but it's in the right place now. Thanks! I don't quite know why that bugged me so much.  ;) -- (WT-en) Mark 11:47, 22 October 2006 (EDT)

 * It's OK. I have a lot of debugging to do in Konq. --(WT-en) Evan 12:14, 22 October 2006 (EDT)

 * No worries. I'm sure it will work eventually.  There's a sort of convergence going on as the konq/html team make their browser work with all the hip new sites out there, so it might just start working on its own.  -- (WT-en) Mark 12:27, 22 October 2006 (EDT)

Monthly averages / Typical Weather for all locations
Hey Evan, I've been working on a project WeatherBonk and have built a worldwide database of weather normals (typical weather you'd expect for each month, based on previous 30 year averages. Thought it might be an interesting collaboration with wikivoyage, so each location could have a section with the normals.  The normals can be generated by coordinate or geocoded from a plain text location string.  just a thought. cheers david at weatherbonk.com --68.126.183.252 15:52, 5 November 2006 (EST)

MediaWiki:Xtravelguide
I've just translated MediaWiki:Travelguidedescription to Portuguese on pt and I'm doing the OpenID stuff next. MediaWiki:Xtravelguide, however, is a bit more complicated because of Portuguese language. Between "$1" and "travel guide" we'd have to have an article, but there are 4 or 5 possible choices (do/da/dos/das) according to the cases (male/female and singular/plural) which I don't suppose MediaWiki can easily recognize. We could use the more or less neutral de, which would work well for most cities but sound weird for nearly all other places, so answering your question: no, sadly it's not quite feasible in Portuguese. -- (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 19:52, 5 November 2006 (EST)

 * That's what I guessed. I think I can add a bit of trickiness to the software to detect it, but I think that's about the point that it's going to be more trouble than it's worth. Another thing we can do is change the part after "Wikivoyage", so that it looks like "Florianopolis - Wikivoyage, the Free travel guide". Anyways, not really important, but something I've been looking at. Thanks for doing the descriptions, though! --(WT-en) Evan 00:00, 6 November 2006 (EST)

User talk:Tsandell
I think that having a set of hu:MediaWiki:Edittools at the bottom of each form would be really helpful until the grand form based solution happens. Once that's up, it really will be dead easy for anyone to contribute - which is what we want.

I must say that I wasn't overly convinced about having the tags in at all at first (maybe I'm just a wiki purist - I just like putting in all the  and ' etc etc everywhere!) but after having done a bit of MoSing on Delhi, I can really see the benefits in having something quick to edit that gives a 100% standardised output. I'm looking forward to these forms! -- (WT-en) Tim 18:48, 7 November 2006 (EST)

Advice for a new Wiki Project
Hi Evan,

I've been reading with great interest the timeline and project notes for the creation of this page. I have suggested to my client New California Network that they lead the way in creating a wiki policy site for the state of California. As a collection of legislation, judicial proceedings, speeches, white pages, position papers, academic entries and summary articles of the many public policy issues that confront California, I believe that this wiki project could increase transparency, accountability, and access in the realm of policy proceedings.

I'm currently writing a grant proposasl for this venture and was hoping that you could share some of your expertise with me. I'm looking for figures concerning needed supplies, bandwidth, personnel, initial contributors, etc etc to get a wiki project started and succesful within one calendar year. Also, we would prefer to have a full time Project Manager from the initial stages. Are there many out there with expertise like you and Maj?

I am proposing that we join forces with a student non-profit think tank for content development. Also, we have several analysts on retainer that would be a an immediate source of content development.

BTW - I had a meeting with Mike Linksvayer at Creative Commons and he suggested that I contact you guys because you'd been so succesful.

I'll check back here for a response or you could email me: kpope at newcalnet.org

Thanks! Kemble K. Pope

Listings URLs
I'm not sure if there's policy on this and thought I'd better ask. I just cleaned up some frontlinking on Orlando and noticed something for the second time. The URLs for a couple of the listings included stuff like src=Wikivoyage or something like that. I suspect there is ulterior motive involved where the lister is getting credit for a referral (though I'm not enuf of a techie to know). Question is, is there policy on this? I know there is policy stating we want the shortest links possible, but obviously the question of referral credits goes beyond that. (WT-en) OldPine 09:43, 11 November 2006 (EST)

Hotelmakerbot
Could you check out Project:Script nominations? Once any lingering questions are resolved, could you edituser User:(WT-en) Hotelmakerbot and categorize it as a bot? (No hurry about the useredit, I just want to get any questions resolved early).

My current status on this is that I've written about 70% of the bot and will be testing it on my own Sandbox Wikimedia (preloaded with some selected Wikivoyage pages) before unleashing it on Wikivoyage. When I do unleash it, I plan to permit it to only change one page on the first run and see how it works. So long as it works, I'll grant it permission to alter a few more pages per successful run.

BTW, 90% of the pages this bot is interested in editing don't currently exist. In a perfect world, I'd download Special:Allpages and use that to detect if a page exists before bothering the Wikivoyage server. But since robots.txt does not allow that, I plan on manually downloading Allpages. Do you have any opinion about whether it might be reasonable to automate that if I restrict the bot to something sensible like "no more than one download per run, no more than one download per week, each individual page within allpages counts as an "edit" in terms of pacing the robot to avoid server load" or somesuch? -- (WT-en) Colin 03:25, 13 November 2006 (EST)

 * Special:Allpages is pretty hairy; you may want to consider some other options. First, check out Special:Sitemap, which generates a list of all pages and images in Google Sitemaps format (with a useful last-modified timestamp), and Special:Urllist (for Yahoo), which just generates a one-url-per-line listing of all pages and images. Those might get you where you want to go. Another option is to use the new MediaWiki API (see ), just released as part of MW 1.8.x. Since it's under active development, there may be some incompatible changes in the future, but it looks promising from what I see.

 * Lastly, our infrastructure is doing pretty well, so I've dialed down the Crawl-Delay in robots.txt to zero seconds, meaning just go crazy on reads, man. I think the main reason to throttle writes to the system is to make it possible for the community to correct or stop a runaway bot before it has done too much damage. Don't worry too much about reading big query pages within reasonable limits (agreed, once or twice per run for a script is probably best, preferably running less frequently than once per hour); if it gets to be a problem, we can solve it then. --(WT-en) Evan 10:55, 13 November 2006 (EST)

 * Whoa. Sitemap is awesome... and solves a ton of problems having to do with "did I check that page yet?" or "should I check that page again". -- (WT-en) Colin 13:46, 13 November 2006 (EST)

Tag Params
So for the new sleep tags, there's no field currently defined to hold a tollfree number. Any preference what I should call it? It's not terribly important that it's not displayed currently, just that we have an agreed upon name for the field.

I've noticed a few other fields that need defining which are not related to my current project. Where should I bring them up? As a tech request, bug report, or Project:Listings? -- (WT-en) Colin 16:31, 15 November 2006 (EST)

 * I've brought it up at Project:Listings.

 * I still need an answer regarding toll-free numbers before I can update the rest of the sleep listings with the bot. -- (WT-en) Colin 00:28, 20 November 2006 (EST)

France: Gites de France
Thanks for the info, and for being even-handed in which links are allowed and which are not.

Would it be all right if I put back just the information about what to expect when booking a gite (no links whatsoever)? It's growing in popularity among Americans (Europeans have been doing it comfortably for years), so it might be helpful to them to have more info on just what they should expect to see (and not see) in the process.

-(WT-en) vrooje

deleting my texts
Hi I would just like to know why you removed so many of my contributions, the majority of which I see no reason for deleting (I am new here though).

Btw> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/definitely —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Se Globetrotter (talk • contribs)

 * I'm not sure! I rolled back your edits that included first-person pronouns (see Project:First person pronouns for why), and the software seems to have rolled back all your edits. I'll go back through and see if I can recover other stuff that was accidentally deleted. Sorry for that! The last thing I want to do is discourage someone from contributing. --(WT-en) Evan 17:12, 16 November 2006 (EST)

Panajachel
Jim, thanks for your diplomatic approach on Talk:Panajachel. It's much appreciated. --(WT-en) Evan 12:26, 16 November 2006 (EST)

What Evan said! Nice job! -- (WT-en) Colin 15:35, 16 November 2006 (EST)

 * Evan, Colin: Thanks for mentioning it. I am hopeful the Panajachel anonymous person(s) might perhaps turn into good Wikivoyage editors, if we can get them onside.  (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 23:05, 16 November 2006 (EST)

Article#Section redirects
I just saw your Allhotels in dhaka redirect edit - it would be useful if redirects like that actually worked (ie the #Section part) - just curious to know if they're going to work at a later date? (I asked once before - see 3rd "UTP" para) ~ 61.91.191.11 13:10, 17 November 2006 (EST)

 * Bump! ~ 203.144.143.4 21:51, 17 December 2006 (EST)

 * Hi. I don't think we have a tech request for this. If you add one, I'll take a look. --(WT-en) Evan 21:56, 17 December 2006 (EST)

 * Done - Tech:Article-Section redirects ~ 203.144.143.5 22:46, 17 December 2006 (EST)

IE ToC
So I see some tinkering has been done with the TOC on Review. I purposely downloaded the newest IE version and the left side menus are now over lapping with the actual guides or whatever content was normally in the center of the screen. Do you need a screenshot? I can get a screen shot, but I'll be very busy tomorrow and I may not have much time between now and Sunday to get one uploaded. -- Andrew

 * Don't rush; I've got a copy of IE7, and I can debug it on my testing server. Thanks for the info, it's a big help. --(WT-en) Evan 17:37, 17 November 2006 (EST)

Username
Hi, do you know if I can change my username? What should I do? Thanks (I'm on the french Wikivoyage, User:Mtu33260 )87.88.248.33 14:56, 19 November 2006 (EST)

 * Put your request on wts:Requests for username change, and use your old username to sign it (using OpenID). --(WT-en) Evan 18:02, 19 November 2006 (EST)

Geo Microformat
Hi, Evan,

It's great that you;re going to be using card, but please also consider using the Geo microformat for marking up co-ordinates. All it needs is:

N 37° 24.491 W 122° 08.313

Thank you. (WT-en) Andy Mabbett 10:51, 25 November 2006 (EST)

 * Sure; there's a geo attribution to Project:listings, and that's exactly what it's for. However, I have some qualms about doing this. Microformats are supposed to be for both human-readable and machine-readable content, but for the vast majority of humans, lat-long coordinates are almost meaningless. Navigating through a city using lat-long coordinates is much less common than using the street address. So, if we print out the actual coordinates for each listing on a page, we get a whole lot of visual noise that's incomprehensible to the average person. (Take a peek at Singapore/Sentosa and think a bit about how a bunch of lat-long pairs after each listing would look.)

 * Now, I have plans to start including embedded maps into the site, so one way to make something that's useful for humans and gives readable output for computers is, say,

<a href="[...]/Special:Mapstraction/37.408183/-122.13855" class="geo">  Map

 * However, when I brought this up on #microformats, tantek gave me a serious talking-to about it. He said if you're going to hide the coordinates, don't use geo at all. What's your opinion? --(WT-en) Evan 11:49, 25 November 2006 (EST)

 * I don't share his somewhat extreme personal views on the subject, and I think it's a pity he's conflated those with the standard for microformats, which seem capable of working either way; but nonetheless that seems to be both the written and de facto standard. That said, I think, with the growth in the number of people using GPS and geo-tagging, more people are starting to use - and to want to access, if not see - co-ordinates. Conversely, I think it's OK to apply them as an abbreviation to, say, a postal code or, in the UK, an Ordnance Survey grid reference (e.g near the foot of ), instead of in an empty 'abbr' or publishing them in full. Publishing the co-ordinates for the subject of a page; and publishing those for multiple items referred to within the page, are separate issues. Note how Wikipedia pages, e.g. Birmingham use them top right, to link to a powerful mapping service. I hope that Project:Microformats will be useful. (WT-en) Andy Mabbett 16:01, 25 November 2006 (EST)

Microformat page
I'm quite offended that you describe the original content of Wikivoyage:Microformats as "hype". (WT-en) Andy Mabbett 17:39, 25 November 2006 (EST)

 * I'm sorry; advocacy would have been a better term. Typically for project-namespace articles we describe what's actually happening or imminent, and speculation tends to go on talk pages. If you want to advocate for further use of microformats, maybe Project:Microformats would be a good place. Also, if you have specific technical requests, we have wts:Technical requests. --(WT-en) Evan 17:49, 25 November 2006 (EST)

 * Thank you. I'm not speculating, but explaining (with some proposing). I've restored some of the text; feel free to move it to the pages you describe if they're more suitable. (WT-en) Andy Mabbett 17:58, 25 November 2006 (EST)

Template:Failedstarnomination
Hi Evan

I created this tag to add to articles that were nominated for star status but failed. The idea is to help draw attention to the criticisms of the article so that they can be improved, and re nominated quickly. I believe something like this should go on the discussion page rather than the actual article.

In the tag, I've used a link to Wikivoyage:Star nominations/Slush pile#, but this ends up linking to Slush pile#Talk:Yogyakarta, rather than Slush pile#Yogyakarta! Is there anything like that becomes a link to the articles main page rather than its talk page? -- (WT-en) Tim 07:12, 26 November 2006 (EST)

 * I changed FULLPAGENAME to PAGENAME, so the namespace is ignored. So on Talk:Yogyakarta, FULLPAGENAME is "Talk:Yogyakarta" and PAGENAME is just "Yogyakarta". Note that this only works for articles in the main namespace; PAGENAME on "Wikivoyage talk:Docents" would be "Docents", not "Wikivoyage:Docents". I think in those cases you'd have to use ARTICLESPACE or TALKSPACE or something, but I don't know exactly how. See magic words help for MediaWiki. --(WT-en) Evan 12:58, 26 November 2006 (EST)

Barnstar

 * Whereas (WT-en) Andrew has deemed (WT-en) Evan indispensable and;
 * Whereas (WT-en) Evan does an amazing amount of work and for three years' worth of work he didn't get paid for and;
 * Whereas (WT-en) Evan gave me a ride back to my hotel in Everett and;
 * Whereas I, (WT-en) Andrew, was greatly impressed by the investigative work done by (WT-en) Mr. Prodromou to ensure copyrights were protected and;
 * Whereas (WT-en) Evan is a Cincinnatian by birth I hereby award (WT-en) Evan a barnstar!

Wow! Thanks! --(WT-en) Evan 15:10, 29 November 2006 (EST)
 * I apologize for the horrible grammar, but after nearly 22 hours being awake I'm not inclined to proofread. I really was quite impressed with the copyright thing.  Is this your first barnstar on WT? -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 15:33, 29 November 2006 (EST)

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User talk:EvanProdromou/Sep 2004

Signed--Wanderlust
Evan (Dr. Evil, was it?), one day last week while strolling around the UNV Reno campus I saw a sign for burning man. When I got back to my folks' place in Lake Tahoe, I google-searched on BRC and look what I found.

How goes it? I can't believe you're still in Montreal. I keep telling Seema we need to go there.

It's been a long time since we last saw you. Short update:
 * we moved to New York City a year ago
 * we have two kids now (Matthew 4.0, Shan 1.5)
 * I work at Madsion and 24th in a great limestone bulding across from Madison Square Park--a neat little Park in the flatiron. I can actually see the flatiron building out the window from the trading floor.

Is Maj the you ladyfriend I met for lunch that day in San Francisco?

Anyways, don't get scorched in the desert and let me know how Evangelo is doing.

I took quick peek at your site. I like concept. I thought of all the place I could write about--even Toledo, Ohio--if I had the motivation. After working for 8 years in a row now, I miss random trips to faraway places.

 * Mike, you knucklehead! Leave me some contact information! I've got to get a wedding invitation to you. --(WT-en) Evan 15:34, 7 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Evan, my contact information is

email: mdaniel@alum.mit.edu -- think this will work til death cell: 617 461 7629 home: 914 668 3439 work: 212 325 4314 address: 331 Hayward Ave #2, Mt. Vernon, NY, 10552

Thanks for the invite
Hey! Yeah, we're taking contract break a little closer to home, and besides as Allegra pointed out when are we going to have so much time off at the same time again? Pics: http://www.geekhive.net/mark/Photography/Noema

And, yes, we got the invite. We'd love to be there of course, but as you point out the logisitcs are a bit much. Thanks for inviting us though. -- (WT-en) Mark 14:12, 9 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Long tim no see
Hey Evan, how are you doing? It's been a while, I completely lost track of time and haven't made much in the way of contributions since I came back from Montreal. I should make the time soon to get back into it. Finally landed a job, with a company in Vancouver called Fortinet. I started the begining of August, and made the move into my new apartment last week. Feels good.

Anyway, just thought I'd say hi. I hope all is well with you and Maj. --(WT-en) Dawnview 01:10, 10 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Memory problems again
Hey, sorry to bug you about this, but it looks like the memory limit has fallen back to the 16Mb level. Paris for instance is right at the limit, which I guess would be because of all of the district links. The other pages which were failing before the memory boost are failing again as well. Anyhow, do you think you can get it bumped back up? Thanks! -- (WT-en) Mark 07:59, 20 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * I don't know what those other pages are. I tried Russia and Denmark and the Project:Travellers' pub and they all seem OK. I'll try and determine if this was a quick glitch or a real problem. --(WT-en) Evan 11:50, 20 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * This is a broken version of Paris to check. To get it to work again I took out one sentence, (and one link):  http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Paris&curid=1364&diff=35450&oldid=35449

Temporary Organisation Page in German?
How do you think about my question asked in the Travellers' pub -- (WT-en) Hansm 08:48, 2004 Sep 20 (EDT)

Montréal meeting
Hey, contacting all members from Montréal (so many of them) to get them back to good resolutions and organise a meeting someday, when you're not so busy... --(WT-en) Valmi 23:23, 26 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Cool! We've got a standing meeting on http://wikivoyage.meetup.com/, but we could also do one at another time. --(WT-en) Evan 00:56, 27 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Mondays suit me all right. I RSVPed, which isn't your case nor anybody else's. :-) --(WT-en) Valmi 15:41, 27 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * I'm getting married that weekend, so I think me and Maj are going to have to pass. Maybe in Nov? --(WT-en) Evan 23:29, 27 Sep 2004 (EDT)

 * Mmm. I guess I could understand that. Anytime, anyway. --(WT-en) Valmi 01:51, 28 Sep 2004 (EDT)

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User talk:EvanProdromou/Sep-Oct 2003

re: Project:Cooperation, I'll refactor the discussion into a useful starting point sometime in the near future. Alas, my spare time is scarce; I haven't even had time lately to contribute to my first wiki love. ;-) -- (WT-en) Stephen Gilbert 19:10, 12 Sep 2003 (PDT)
 * There, I've made a start: Project:Cooperation. Next, I'll broach the topic on Wikipedia. -- (WT-en) Stephen Gilbert 10:03, 16 Oct 2003 (PDT)

Romanian Version of Wikivoyage:

I will talk with the people at Romanian Wikipedia (I am a contributor myself) about building up on the Wikivoyage Romanian language version. I think that there would be interest due to the fact that a large variety of articles would be founded. This is due to the fact that the Romanian Wikipedia is the fastest-growing Wikipedia (this week we had no less than 130 new articles, jumping from 329 to nearly 450) - so i'm sure Wikivoyage will get the same response.

User:Ronline, 06 Oct 2003

I also have an account of WikiTravel for talk: User talk:(WT-en) Ronline

I've uploaded one of the images that I got this year. Image:BurningMan-2003.jpg (WT-en) Yosemite 22:50, 8 Oct 2003 (PDT)

I guess I beat you and Maj to starting the Montreal article. I was there (briefly) 2 weeks ago and wanted to write some things down before I lost the motivation to do so. Besides, it's a start and it should be easier to build up something started ... right? I hope you had/are having a good trip in Rome! (WT-en) CL 12:15, 24 Oct 2003 (PDT)

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User talk:EvanProdromou/Surf the Saint Laurence

What's the deal with this article? Was it an experiment that needs to be kept or can it be deleted? - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 09:07, 27 June 2006 (EDT)

 * It's an experiment in doing a different kind of infobox. Please don't delete it. The infobox is at Template:Sidebar. --(WT-en) Evan 17:50, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Could you please explain the experiment a bit here? -- (WT-en) Colin 19:14, 17 July 2006 (EDT)

 * It's like an infobox, but instead of taking text as an argument, it's stored in a separate article. This is especially useful for warningboxen that have to be on lots of different pages, like the Katrina warning. See User:(WT-en) Evan/Sidebar example, and try to imagine it without the VFD template. --(WT-en) Evan 19:23, 17 July 2006 (EDT)


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User talk:(WT-en) Evan.goldberg

Hello Evan.goldberg! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. (WT-en) Texugo 18:56, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Montgomery County
Ok, so the above is a pretty standard greeting you should have gotten a bit sooner, but anyhow... Many of us who have been around a while here routinely patrol recent changes and fix problems, which is what I've done with this article. (Looking at the article history, you'll notice my first edits to the article happened within an hour of you creating it.) Basically the changes I've made are to make the article fit our Project:Manual of style, specifically these points:
 * I removed text that was in copyright violation, text which was copied from Wikipedia, citysearch.com, www.filepoint.de and www.montcopa.org.
 * We try to keep cities lists down to 9, so the massive list of townships had to go. I noticed the locations given in addresses have nothing to do with townships, and those addresses are what's important for a traveller, so I nuked the township list and replaced it with a shorter, more manageable list of locations relevant to the traveller.
 * I changed your listings so they aren't front-linked, as this is discouraged by our Manual of Style, and I made a few other format changes to make the listings conform to style.
 * I removed a photo you had which contained recognizable people, something we try to avoid here.

Please do have a look at our Manual of style, and feel free to let me know if you have any questions!! (WT-en) Texugo 19:10, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Evanjwilson

Hello Evanjwilson! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. (WT-en) AHeneen 22:45, 26 December 2008 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Evan Ryder

Hello Evan Ryder! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 14:35, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Evanwohrman

Hello Evanwohrman!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thank you for contributing to Disneyworld. -- (WT-en) Huttite 04:57, 29 Mar 2005 (EST)

Walt Disney World Resort
If you believe that the Disneyworld article should be renamed Walt Disney World Resort, you can simply move the page. Note: you may have encountered the Move tab bug, refresh the page or look at the history and the move tab may appear. However, be aware that at Wikivoyage we use the most common English name that the traveler would use or know a place by, not the official or legal title of the legal entity that operates the destination being discussed. Please discuss at Talk:Disneyworld. -- (WT-en) Huttite 05:37, 29 Mar 2005 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Evelee999

I WOULD LIKE TO RENT A CAR WITH DRIVER IN CHINA, GUILIN FOR 5 DAYS. PLS ADVICE. THKS

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User talk:(WT-en) Evert

Hello!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. You can edit your preferences to change how the software works for you. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to our wiki software, MediaWiki, look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to edit a page. If you need help, check out the help desk, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 02:21, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Evertraveling

Hello Evertraveling,Welcome to Wikivoyage. To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. -- (WT-en) felix 01:08, 17 March 2011 (EDT)

Labu
Labu sleep listing--...Stay at Krisna Bungalow, a brand new complex of 3 bungalows...Please see the notes left at Talk:South Lombok Thanks-- (WT-en) felix 01:08, 17 March 2011 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Everything-oxford

Hello, Everything-oxford! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. (WT-en) Pashley 20:24, 6 January 2010 (EST)

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User talk:(WT-en) Evf

Contributions from this account appear to have been made from a spambot and it has therefore been permanently blocked in accordance with Wikivoyage site policy. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:58, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Evg

Hello!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. Thanks for contributing to Genoa and Palermo -- (WT-en) Sapphire 06:12, 21 April 2006 (EDT)

Sleep contributions
Evg,

Unfortunately adding links for accommodation search websites aren't helpful to travellers using Wikivoyage. Instead of adding these links if you can personally recommend a hotel in the destination please list it specifically and not a search link. Thanks. (WT-en) Sapphire 06:59, 21 April 2006 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Evgenie

Hello, Evgenie! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Evgeniy

COMPANY WorldVentures is a lifestyle company that markets travel-related products. Combining the power of the Internet with the time-tested strength of word-of-mouth marketing, WorldVentures is a leader in the leisure travel industry. WorldVentures is a privately held company based in Plano, Texas, with active Representatives and members in all fifty states in the U.S. as well as internationally.

The inspiration for WorldVentures came from company founders Wayne Nugent and Mike Azcue. Together they envisioned a company that combined the power of the Internet with direct selling to do something truly innovative.

Wayne and Mike assembled a team of experienced and dedicated professionals, and on December 10, 2005, WorldVentures was launched. Since then, the company has enjoyed incredible success and rapid growth. And in 2009, WorldVentures expanded into several global markets.

WorldVentures offers something that is one-of-a-kind in the network marketing and travel industries. Essentially, WorldVentures is a lifestyle company.

MISSION STATEMENT The mission of WorldVentures is to help you travel more often, to better locations, for less money. This mission is reflected in the company’s flagship vacation club product, the DreamTrips Membership, but ultimately includes helping you become financially free, drive your dream car, live in your dream house, and live your dream life.

Join WorldVentures and let us show you how to "Make a living… Living!" Skype:evgeniymp1

This is an example, compare the prices. EILAT, ISRAEL 4 DAY & 3 NIGHT STAY AT THE CROWNE PLAZA EILAT $256.68

4 Day & 3 Nights Stay at the Crowne Plaza Eilat Standard room accommodations with sitting area, private bath, mini-bar, and satellite TV Half board includes breakfast and dinner. The Restaurant Adam and Eve serves buffet style and has views towards the pool and the marina. Children have plenty to smile about. The Kids' Club begins with clowns at breakfast and plenty of poolside games. (may require a fee, not included)

Daily activities for youth up to age 14 years Live entertainment This is a Kosher hotel A family oriented hotel All taxes included Must have a valid passport Must book your own airfare into Eilat Airport (ETH)

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User talk:(WT-en) Evilandi

Hello Evilandi! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Evilboy

Hello Evilboy! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Evillubak

Hello, Evillubak! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Evivatour

Welcome
Hello, Evivatour! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Thank you for your contributions, but per Wikivoyage's guidelines on travel agencies, travel agencies should not be included in Wikivoyage articles. Additionally, per Project:External links services that offer online visas that are not official government sources should not be included. If you have questions please feel free to ask on this talk page or in the Pub. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:22, 27 May 2011 (EDT)

 * Once again, please read Project:External links. Links to other travel guides should not be included in Wikivoyage articles for the reasons given in the external link guidelines. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:33, 29 May 2011 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Evzob

Hello, Evzob! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Ewc21

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Ewebgrunt

Hello Ewebgrunt,

While your efforts to add edestinationguide.com external links has been impressive, please see Project:External links to understand why they have been reverted. Wikivoyage uses only primary sites as external links, so while the Mexican government's tourism site is a valid external link for the Mexico article, edestinationguide.com is not.

We do appreciate your efforts to help add to the travel guide! Please feel free to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, and to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. -- (WT-en) Wrh2 04:18, 5 Jul 2005 (EDT)

now i got it, i read the rules :D

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User talk:(WT-en) Ewendel

Hello, Ewendel! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Thanks for the information about Salzburg.

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User talk:(WT-en) Ewheeler

Hello, Ewheeler! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Thank you for the good Nigeria edits! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 04:58, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

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User talk:(WT-en) Ewiepert

Hello, Ewiepert! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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User talk:(WT-en) Ewlyahoocom

Hello Ewlyahoocom!

Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thank you for contributing to Sabah and Pattaya (good listings) as well as joining in the discussion.

The article about Poring Hot Spring probably doesn't fit our Project:What is an article? guideline as we prefer not to write about single attractions, unless there is lots to write about them. Please contribute a lot more to this article, if you can.

I am sorry to hear about your experience with the New Zealand Customs Service, they are quite zealous sometimes (and make reality TV programmes about being so too!). Unfortunately, your personal observation is not the general traveler experience and so it is not really appropriate to include in the article, although the advice you give is good, but probably also more general than just one country. Also be thankful it was the Customs Service; the Biosecurity Service has no mercy and does not just rummaging through your bags but also decontaminates travelers posessions by seizing and destroying prohibited items, even little things, like apples, oranges, and processed food - then fines you $200 for the privalege, as well as delaying you for hours. -- (WT-en) Huttite 06:49, 9 Apr 2005 (EDT)

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Please have a look at our image policy at Project:Image policy. We ask that uploaded images have meaningful names rather than being just IMAGE00666.JPG. In addition, we prefer to have images of places, not people. In the unlikeley event that a photo of a person is useful, a model release is required. See the image policy for details. -- (WT-en) Colin 15:28, 20 May 2005 (EDT)

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