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Restaurants etc should be placed under the appropriate town pages when created. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:20, 9 Dec 2004 (EST)

Regions
I think that the Maui article could be divided into several regions, with just the main points of entry and highlights in the Maui article. There is probably enough information here to do that already. -- (WT-en) Huttite 20:25, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)

Accommodations
I removed a link someone had posted to their VRBO vacation rental listing. Wikipedia is NOT for advertisting, you bastards.

 * You appear to be lost -- this is Wikivoyage, not Wikipedia -- (WT-en) Colin 14:16, 31 August 2006 (EDT)

I think that the Maui article should provide some help for travelers all of whom need accommodations. So I tried to add that section but someone deleted it. I am going to reinstate it now.

 * Feel free to add specific hotels and other similar accommodations. We do not link to other guides -- because as a guide we ought not need to. -- (WT-en) Colin 15:40, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

That makes sense. But how can someone book a flight or accommodation using our "guide"? -- [traveler7277]

 * Sorry that I didn't make a note at the time -- it would help if you'd take a look at Project:Goals and non-goals as well as Project:External links and Project:Manual of style. We have a pretty standard way of laying out the guides (ie the heading names and what goes in each section) I think you added a new "sleep" section instead of adding to the exisiting one. Let me know if you have any questions. (WT-en) Maj 16:04, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

 * When listing a particular hotel, you can link to the hotel's own website (see Project:Accommodation listings), and phone numbers for the hotel. If the hotel wishes to accept online reservations, it can explain this to the traveller from its own website.  Otherwise, you call them. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:38, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

''I'm moving this here for data mining. Content should go in the appropriate section of the guide (ie Get in and Sleep). Thanks'' (WT-en) Maj 16:05, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

 * Thank you Maj for directing me to the Goals and non-goals. I am new to this process and I appreciate your kindness.  I am still a little confused - are you suggesting that we move the content about finding flights and accommodations online to a different section?  By the way, how can I have my name signed automatically (like you did)   Thanks  [Traveller 7277]

 * I have looked at Goals etc and found the item "For on-line use by travellers still planning to review destinations, plan itineraries, make reservations, and get excited about their trip;" particularly interesting. Don't you think that helping people with their online searches for Maui (and Hawaii generally also) would suit that goal?  I would like to reinstate but I do not want to be rude - what do you recommend? (WT-en) Traveler7277 16:28, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

 * Review Project:External links. As far as goals go, we want to write a travel guide, not a guide that tells the traveller which other guides are good.   So feel free to write about where to go, what to do, and where to stay directly here at wikivoyage.  We are uninterested in linking to other guides not because the other guides suck, but because the job of deciding which other guides are good or bad is just a job we don't have an interest in accomplishing. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:38, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

Flights
There are many airlines flying from the continental US to Maui, including: American, United, Continental, Delta, Northwest, Hawaiian and Aloha. Most of the Asian airlines also fly from Japan, China, Malaysia, and Singapore. Discounts are best found for travel in the fall. There are three ariports: Kahului, Hana, and Kapalua West Maui Airport. Most travelers will use Kahului (OGG) when coming in from the mainland.

Finding Accommodations
The majority of travelers to Maui stay in one of two areas: West Maui, which encompasses the coast covering Lahaina to Kapalua or South Maui, which includes the Kihei, Wailea and Makena areas. Beginning your search online is the best way to find the hotel or condo that will meet your needs. Most online travel agencies provide information on their site but it is always recommended to call the agency directly and speak with their most knowledgeable agents. The largest agencies include Expedia, Great Hawaii Vacations,800-688-2254 [ , Pleasant Holidays,, and Travelocity,. Smaller agencies tend to have a more difficult time getting volume pricing deals.

Accommodation listings
I removed the sleep listings and moved them to the towns as the region article is not supposed to have a Sleep section. One that does not have a town is:

 * Napili Bay:
 * Outrigger Napili Shores, . Condominiums adjacent to Napili Bay Beach.

Move to city
Hi, everyone. As is quite common in articles about islands, there are a bunch of specific listings. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this shouldn't be the case, unless we want to merge all the content of articles about towns in Maui into the main article. That not being the case, the "Do" section should be a prose overview without bullets, and the specific listings of dive clubs, canoeing and kayaking clubs, etc. should all be moved to the relevant city article - or if already there, simply deleted from this article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:17, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * We're running into a similar issue with many of the other Hawaiian island articles, since the towns are often tiny, with the resorts and other sights located far away from the towns. At Talk:Nosy Be, LtPowers suggested using the city article template to write about an area that would normally be considered a region (see Rural Montgomery County), although there are some difficulties with that approach in cases where you have a town or city within the larger region that might warrant its own article.  I don't have a good suggestion for dealing with these sorts of cases, and aside from making sure that listings aren't duplicated would suggest that those interested in editing the articles should proceed as they see best, and if a good solution comes out of those efforts we can try to generalize it for use elsewhere on the site. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:30, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I can't speak to the other islands, but from what I recall of Maui when I visited there, the main population centers and attractions overlap a fair bit so the Maui article itself shouldn't need listings. A lot of those listings in the Do section should be in Kihei, Lahaina, Wailea or Haleakala National Park. It's possible the eastern/southern/uplands part of the island could be treated as a "rural" type article (covering the Lavender Farm, the pineapple winery and the Pi'ilani Hwy) but treating the whole island that way would be unwieldy (IMO). -Shaundd (talk) 06:09, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Maui Wildfires
I have added a warning box due to the unfortunate situation with the Maui wildfires, and am wondering if a caution box on the Hawaii article is needed or not, stating that travel to Maui is currently discouraged. JRHorse (talk) 03:11, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

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Resources
While we shouldn't put links to external guidebooks in the content pages, it sure does help to have some links for reference. Here are a few. (WT-en) JimDeLaHunt 17:31, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
 * "Botswana Travel Guide": Maun is the web version of Chris McIntyre's excellent book, published by Bradt.
 * Lonely Planet's Botswana Guide: Maun is the Lonely Planet web page for Maun.
 * Recent Thorn Tree posts on Botswana. "Thorn Tree" is a Lonely Planet-run discussion board.
 * Maun self-drive 4x4 extensive campsites/accomodation page.

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Talk:Mauritania

I deleted a note saying that the source for the intro was http://www.terremauritanie.com/. First, we don't normally list sources for our articles, since it's not OK to copy info from other sites. Second, the note was inaccurate -- this page is pretty much purely a CIA World Factbook import. --(WT-en) Evan 11:12, 10 Jun 2004 (EDT)

Is a Carnet de Passage needed?
Could someone confirm (and include in the article under "Get In / By Car" section) whether you need a Carnet de Passage in order to bring your car into Mauritania? I guess you don't need one, since my Lonely Planet guide says you don't need one, but on wikipedia Mauritania is listed among the countries where it is helpful to have one. Also, I do feel that it is a rather important information to have if you're planning on entering Mauritania by car.

--Hello! No, I did not need a carnet at the border. Border procedings were professional (no requests for bribes), cost exactly 20 euros, and I bought insurance in Noubadou (for a whopping $5) and did my exchanging there for far better rates than the border ppl were giving. It took 2 hours to get through both the Morocco and Mauritania sides of the border. - Nick

Looklex
http://lexicorient.com/mauritania/z_costs.htm

"Regulations say that every foreigner visiting the country must spend US$30 daily, and this is all controlled, by looking at cards you're supposed to carry. While US$30 is a lot for daily expenses in North Africa, you could soon find out that it is not enough in Mauritania. The price level in Mauritania is frankly unbelievable."

Can this really be true? It is not even on this site, but it seems pretty important. If it is correct, should it be added into this article? ((WT-en) SebastianGS 14:36, 2 July 2008 (EDT))

not true.(WT-en) I remember Black Star North 13:20, 24 February 2009 (EST)

Not true, but ... Occasionally the Central Bank of Mauritania places strict controls on foreign currency exchange which means that tourists are sometimes asked for receipts of their foreign exchange made in country when they leave. [User:Nkosi]

Sex?
In fact, if you have a boyfriend, not a series of boyfriends, most people are a bit flattered. The men are pretty uninhibited, very sensual, and can be lots of fun.''
 * Hmm, English is not my mother language... to me, that sounds like it recommends girls to get laid by locals? If so, I think it's not a thing that should be in a travel guide. If not, someone should rewrite it, to make more clear what is meant. --(WT-en) MrTweek 08:35, 8 October 2009 (EDT)

Regions
As with Chad, I like the idea of using the climatic zones of Mauritania as travel regions. That would give us four regions:

 * Coastal Mauritania
 * Saharan Mauritania
 * Sahelian Mauritania
 * Senegal River Valley

Thoughts please.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 06:39, 4 March 2010 (EST)

 * Bit of a rethink while drawing it. The proposed Senegal River Valley region would have been tiny, and almost irrelevant to the traveller I think. So just the three regions are proposed:

 * Coastal Mauritania
 * Sahelian Mauritania
 * Saharan Mauritania
 * I must say it was a very dull map to draw. Not a lot going on. There is no UN map for Mauritania which makes the source material a bit limited. For boundaries I have used a mixture of hill ranges, satelite images and provincial boundaries. Comments please before I do the regionalisation work. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 03:00, 5 March 2010 (EST)

 * In the Sahel, I think climactic regions are almost always most important (desert v. sahel). This looks like the most sensible division, although I won't pretend to have useful comments on the exact borders ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:16, 9 March 2010 (EST)

Pagebanner
I suppose that this change should be reverted as per 4th bullet of the banner policy. Or, to create a new banner for the Atar article. -- Andyrom75 (talk) 08:10, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes. In any case, it was a unilateral change, and changes of pagebanner should be by consensus on the relevant talk page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:13, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

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For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Mauritius/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.

The following comments removed from article. -- (WT-en) Huttite 01:58, 19 Jun 2004 (EDT)

A visitors comments

 * A nice friendly country. Good food, lovely beaches, great place for a getaway.

Hotel listings
There should be no listings for hotels or any other specific accommodations in guides for nations. For the convenience of anyone who wants to copy and paste any listing into the guide to the relevant locality (note: only one per listing!), I have copied all the listings below; however, most are touty, so I would generally advise against cutting and pasting these listings verbatim:

 * Detached bungalow with a pool. 5 min walk to the beach. Friendly staff.

 * All suite 5 star beach and golf resort with spa

 * Labourdonnais, Waterfront, Port Louis. 5 star hotel convenient for Port Louis and many restaurants around the area. Popular with businessmen.

 *

 * Self catering studios and apartments. 50 m to the beach. Friendly staff.

 * A good alternative to the big hotels. A few rooms. Private beach along the lagoon, from where you can swim and snorkel to view the reef life. Good restaurant. Warm welcome by the owners.

 * Beachfront on the bay of Pointe aux Piments.

 * 5 star golf resort

 * 5* hotel in the style of a plantation house; popular with honeymooners. Inspired by turn-of-the-century colonial mansions.

 * Luxury hotel that is a member of Leading Hotels of the World

 *

 * Right on Tamarin Bay.

 * Hotel completely reconstructed and reopening on 1st of Nov 2010

 * Family holiday resort.

 * Rooms, studios and apartment.

 * 5* hotel opened in 1975 and remodeled in 1999 with balconied rooms facing the Indian Ocean. 60-acre resort has a 9-hole Gary Player designed golf course, spa with pool and gym, a French restaurant, an Indian restaurant.  Amenities includes a KidsOnly club for 4-11 year olds and a teens club.

 * On the northwest coast two minutes walk from the beaches at Mont Choisy and Trou-aux-Biches.

 * <sleep name="Royal Palm" alt="" address="Royal Road - Grand Baie" directions="north" phone="+230 209 8300" url="http://www.royalpalm-hotel.com" checkin="" checkout="" price="" lat="" long="">Nice hotel in the north. A member of the leading hotels of the world

 * <sleep name="Pingouinvillas" alt="" address="" directions="8 mins drive from SSR International Airport" phone="+230 637 3051, +230 758 383" email="resa@pingouinvillas.com" fax="+230 637 3051" url="http://www.pingouinvillas.com" checkin="" checkout="" price="€40-60">200 m (3 minutes walk) from the Blue-Bay beach. Apartment and studio complex set in small tropical garden, nightly and weekly rates available. TV, free local calls and wifi, laptop provided. Safe, washing machine, fridge/freezer, coffee machine and microwave and similar requirements provided.

 * <sleep name="Shandrani Resort & Spa" alt="" address="Blue Bay" directions="" phone="+230 603 4343" url="http://www.shandrani-resort.com" checkin="" checkout="" price="" lat="" long="">Hotel on the south east coast.
 * <sleep name="Chantauvent Guesthouse" alt="Chante au Vent chambre d'hote" address="Pointe d'Esny" directions="100 m from Blue Bay Beach" phone="+230 631 9614" url="res@chantauvent.com" checkin="" checkout="" price="" lat="" long="">Chantauvent is a guest house with a family atmosphere, at a 3-minute walk to Blue Bay where lays the sandy beach and large lagoon – one of the most beautiful site of the island renown for its coral garden.
 * <sleep name="Paradise Cove Hotel & Spa" alt="" address="Anse La Raie" directions="" phone="+230 204 4000" url="http://www.paradisecovehotel.com" checkin="" checkout="" price="" lat="" long="">A 5 star boutique hotel and spa in Grand Bay.
 * <sleep name="Les Pavillons" alt="5-Star Beach Hotel in Mauritius" address="Le Morne Plage" directions="" phone="+230 401 4000" url="http://www.naiade.com/en/hotels/mauritius/les_pavillons/default.aspx" checkin="" checkout="" price="" lat="" long="">A luxury (5-star) beach hotel in Mauritius located in Le Morne on the south-west of the island.
 * <sleep name="Beau Rivage" alt="5-Star Beach Hotel in Mauritius" address="Belle Mare" directions="" phone="+230 402 2000" url="http://www.naiade.com/en/hotels/mauritius/beau_rivage/default.aspx" checkin="" checkout="" price="" lat="" long="">A luxury/5-star beach hotel in Mauritius, perfect for honeymoon and family vacations, located in Belle Mare on the east coast of the island.
 * <sleep name="Legends" alt="4-Star+ Beach Hotel in Mauritius" address="Grand Gaube" directions="" phone="+230 204 9191" url="http://www.naiade.com/en/hotels/mauritius/legends/default.aspx" checkin="" checkout="" price="" lat="" long="">A luxury beach hotel in Mauritius, and the only Feng Shui hotel in the Indian Ocean, located in Grand Gaube on the north of the island.
 * <sleep name="Tamassa" alt="4-Star Beach Hotel in Mauritius" address="Bel Ombre" directions="" phone="+230 603 7300" url="http://www.naiade.com/en/hotels/mauritius/tamassa/default.aspx" checkin="" checkout="" price="" lat="" long="">A 4-star beach hotel in Mauritius, located in Bel Ombre on the south-west of the island.
 * <sleep name="Merville Beach" alt="3-Star+ Beach Hotel in Mauritius" address="Grand Bay" directions="" phone="+230 209 2200" url="http://www.naiade.com/en/hotels/mauritius/merville_beach/default.aspx" checkin="" checkout="" price="" lat="" long="">A beautiful 3-star+ beach hotel in Mauritius, located in Grand Bay (Grand Baie) on the north of the island.
 * <sleep name="Shanti Maurice" alt="A Nira Resort" address="Riviere des Galets, Chemin Grenier" directions="" phone="+230 603 7200" url="http://shantimaurice.com/" checkin="" checkout="" price="" lat="" long="">Luxury spa resort in Mauritius.

—The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Ikan Kekek (talk • contribs)

Comment moved from "Talk" section of article
I partly disagree with what is written about the spoken languages in Mauritius. Creole is definitely the most spoken language but Bhojpuri (not French) is the second widely spoken language. This can be understood as more than 60% Mauritians trace their ancestry from Bhojpuri speaking areas of India. Bhojpuri remained the lingua franca for the 70% of Indo Mauritians for quite long. French & English are used for official purpose to a limited extent; French is used mostly in the spoken form while English is used in the written form. However, both are understood/spoken quite well by most Mauritians. The percentage of Tamils in Mauritius is questionable and it is hard to believe that Tamils speak Tamil in Mauritius. Really strange why this was stated and no such approach was accorded to other ethnic groups and their languages like Telegu, Marathi, Urdu, Bhojpuri, Hakka, etc.

Posted by 41.222.100.167 on 20:55, 7 January 2012.

(WT-en) Ikan Kekek 19:29, 7 January 2012 (EST)

 * The Organisation Internationale de la Francophonie claims 72.7% of Mauritians were French speakers in 2005. According to Wikipedia: Creole and Bhojpuri are the main languages used at home, both French and Creole are used in a business context and English is used most in schools and governments. French and English, which have long enjoyed greater social status, are favored in educational and professional settings.(WT-en) AHeneen

Most young Mauritians do not speak Bhojpuri or tamils nowadays

Is crime increasing or decreasing?
I just reverted an edit that was problematic in terms of how it read in English, but it contained a claim that is worth discussing: That crime has been decreasing in Mauritius in recent years. The previous (and now current) version of the "Stay safe" section asserts that crime has been increasing in recent years and gives specific examples in the second paragraph. I've never visited Mauritius. What is the current situation, in fact, and what are the crime figures for the last few years? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:05, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Crime rate
I have modify the section the 'Stay Safe' section which says that, Crime levels in Mauritius are getting higher, by adding However, despite the level of crime has been decreasing over the years according to statistics, as elsewhere, tourist are normally more vulnerable to theft. a user told me to discuss it on the talk page. Here are the statistics given in the government police website shown that crime are decreasing in mauritius, 2009 to 2010 (see p.4), for 2010 to 2011 (see  p.3), i have try to find for 2012 and other years in the gov website but it is not available, however i found articles from various major press in mru (see ), for 2007 to 2008 (see ), for 2007 to 2010. Also i try to make some improvement but it was remove completely without explaining why, i must point out that the content of this section is the point of view of the foreign and commonwealth office, the whole has been exactly copy from its website which is copyright.
 * It looks to me like you've documented your point. The reason I reverted your edits is directly above this section: Your edits didn't read well in English. I will insert your point that the crime rate has been decreasing, however. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:26, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I have inserted points that you made in the edit that I reverted. Please look over the current version of the "Stay safe" section. If there's anything you don't like about the wording, feel free to either edit it in the article or post about it here in the talk page (in which case, I or someone else will look over your post and will insert any content that looks helpful to visitors). Thanks for working with me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:37, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Removing regions for now
I am removing the regions section from the article. We only have 7 Mauritius destination articles so far, so there is absolutely no reason we should organize those into 10 empty region articles. Texugo (talk) 20:41, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

The island is divided into nine districts plus several independent minor islands.

What to do with listings
If this article is really being treated as a country template, no specific listings whatsoever should be in it. This is most relevant to the "See" section, but the "Do" section also shouldn't have bullets and shouldn't list specific places, such as La Vanille Réserve des Mascareignes. Anyway, what the hell do we do with the "See" listings? Would it serve the traveller best to just remove them all? Are they currently listed in any city articles? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:08, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Peanuts, alcohol and fish
Can someone please elaborate, why the following advice is given in the "Stay healthy" section:

"It is important not to eat peanuts or take alcohol if you eat coral or reef fish like sea bass, snapper, mullet, grouper, there are many more."

Thanks. 2A02:C7D:2FC3:CA00:2CE5:7D80:871A:F2FE 22:54, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Digital nomad visa?
The tropical paradise of Mauritius is offering a long-term visa for remote workers Pashley (talk) 10:14, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

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India Beacons
I really appreciate the work that's going into this article, but it seems to me, there's no way India Beacons could possibly be OK under Wikivoyage's tour listing criteria, as shown at Project:Activity listings. Could someone please argue to the contrary, please? Thanks, everyone.

All the best,

(WT-en) Ikan Kekek 03:42, 18 June 2011 (EDT)

Sir, this place is not promoted as it should have been. India Beacons is making a concerted effort with the villagers of Mawlynnong to promote it as a model destination village for people to see. So if India Beacons can get tourists to that area through this page it would indirectly help the village economy. It would give an impetus to the villagers. As of now, not many tourists have much clue as to how to arrange the trip to this place. So I think that's the reason the listing of India Beacons is justified as a tour agency promoting that place.

 * Thanks for your reply. (By the way, I forgot to mention: In "Talk" pages only, please sign your posts by typing 4 tildes [the "~" key] in a row at the end of your remarks.) My first rejoinder is, if we do allow a listing, it will be one listing only in one article only. But I would like the problems with listing a package tour agency addressed before any decision is made on whether to allow even one listing. Part of the issue here is, is a tour in any way necessary for a traveler to do anything s/he wants to do or see anything s/he wants to see in Mawlynnong? If it truly is necessary, fine. But if it isn't necessary, why do we need to promote a tour agency instead of simply explaining to prospective visitors how to arrange things on their own, and promoting the village as a destination, simply by listing the village? (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 04:09, 18 June 2011 (EDT)

 * How hard is Mamlynnong to visit independently? I suspect it is not that easy as the article has only just been started as WT, despite the obvious attraction of the place (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8259789.stm for example). In which case, an organised tour might well be adding value and therefore be a valid inclusion.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 04:12, 18 June 2011 (EDT)

 * Sir, Visiting Mawlynnong is beset with a number of problems :

1. You need a guide to visit the living root bridge there. Not all can see or visit these natural wonders without the help of guides. India beacons takes provides tourists with the services of guides from the village itself. So employment generation to local people only. 2. Local penal village laws are existant there as regards fines imposed by the villagers for littering the place. Tourists have to to made aware of these implications before they travel. So that needs for a sermon before the tourists indulge in these activities.```` (Sandeep Chourasia

 * It sounds like this is a valid exception to the no-tour-agencies guidelines. It would be prudent to wait a day or so for other comments before reinserting any listing or links to the agency, but if there is no objection by then, I will count on you to sum up everything in such a way that the travel agency gets only one listing, with a purely factual explanation of the ways in which using the agency adds value to a visit.

 * You have done a great job so far. Thanks for engaging in this discussion.

 * P.S. Just a parenthetical comment: I am a man, but you might want to be careful about using "Sir," because my moniker is merely the name of a type of fish, so I could easily be a woman. :-) (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 04:58, 18 June 2011 (EDT)

I think we have waited for quite some time and there has been no objections. pls undo the edit. Best regards Sandeep Chourasia

 * I think you could re-insert your listing with a quick explanation of why tour agents are necessary to visit this village.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 13:40, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

 * I second that. Go ahead and make such an edit, Sandeep. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 16:59, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

Thanks (WT-en) chourasia

 * You're welcome. Just remember to include an explanation of why it's necessary to use a travel agent. Merely listing the agency isn't really sufficient information for travelers - explain to them what value the tour adds that would be difficult or impossible for them to get on their own.

 * All the best,

 * (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 07:37, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

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Archive

 * May 15, 2005: Cheung Chau Bun Festival in Hong Kong,
 * May 15, 2005: Buddha's Birthday, Hong Kong

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Talk:Mayan Riviera

Touting of resorts
Following the positive vfd of Xcaret, it would appear that a lot of touting information is being added to this article in its stead. I'm tempted to delete it all, but don't want to throw out the good with the bad. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:00, 17 September 2009 (EDT)

 * In fact, let's move all that crap here. I'll write a short blurb for XCaret and Xplor (which is also a lot of touting), and if there is anything we want to move back into the article we can talk it out. (WT-en) Texugo 00:07, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

Xcaret
Xcaret is a ecoarcheological park located in Riviera Maya, just in front of the Mexican Caribbean. Its name means ‘little inlet’, since one of its attractions is a quiet and small bay, suitable for swimming and snorkeling. As a theme park, Xcaret has focused on the promotion of Mexican culture, particularly the heritage of the Maya civilization. Various events like the show "Xcaret Mexico Espectacular" let the tourists see a colorful mosaic of traditions and most representative dances of Mexico. In addition to the recreation of a Mayan village and cemetery, there is an archaeological site in Xcaret restored by the National Institute of Anthropology and History. Likewise, there is a Mexican wine cellar and a replica of an hacienda henequenera, a typical building of the Yucatan Peninsula during the Porfirio Diaz time.

For the Maya, Xcaret was an important commercial harbor called Pole. It was also the starting point of a pilgrimage that made the Maya to the island of Cozumel to worship Ix Chel, goddess of fertility and the moon. In 1984 the architect Miguel Quintana Pali bought five acres of land in the municipality of Solidaridad, Quintana Roo for private project of household. When he was clearing the land he discovered cenotes and underground rivers of great beauty. So he changed his mind and sided with the Oscar, Marcos and Carlos Constandse to develop the idea of the park which finally opened in December 1990.

Due to its location, Xcaret is home of many flora and fauna species. In addition, the park's ecological vocation is manifested in preservation programs for endangered species like sea turtles, manatees and jaguars. The park has specific spaces which have been adapted for the care and display of the typical species of the southeastern Mexico. These are:

REGIONAL WILDLIFE BREEDING FARM. Xcaret houses some 44 species of tropical birds, most from Mexico's southeast. To date, we have successfully reproduced the Scarlet and Military Macaw, Yucatan Green Parrot, Lilac-Crowned Amazon, White-Fronted Parrot, Yellow-Naped Parrot, Yellow-Headed Parrot, Pichichi Duck, Keel-billed Toucan, Aracar Toucanet, Ocellated Turkey, Great Currasow and Crested Guan.

JAGUAR ISLAND. Jaguars, the largest felines in America, were sacred to the ancient Maya and especially venerated for their superb strength and beautiful pelts. Today is an endangered species. Xcaret shows some examples of pumas and jaguars in two large islands.

DEER REFUGE. White-tail and Brocket deer are endemic to this region and are part of Xcaret's animal, protection and breeding programs.

BUTTERFLY PAVILION. Xcaret's Butterfly House is the first butterfly breeding facility in Mexico. The structure is 49 feet high and has nearly 38,000 sq. ft. of free flying space, the largest such facility in the world.

In addition to these spaces, there is one crocodile farm in Xcaret, a "territory of the tapir ', a cave of bats, a manatee lagoon and an island of spider monkeys and howler monkeys.

MARINE TURTLES. Since 1990, sea turtles have been protected in Mexico by federal law. Xcaret, in coordination with the Ministry of the Environment, Natural Resources and Fisheries (SEMARNAP), the National Institute of Fisheries (INP) and the National Institute of Ecology (INE) protects the two species that nest on the beaches of Quintana Roo: the green turtle (Chelonia mydas) and the loggerhead (Caretta caretta). During the summer nesting season, Xcaret sets up turtle camps and patrols 100 km. (60 miles) of coastlines, on the look out for nests and possible predators or poachers. After 60 days, the little turtles hatch and many of them are handed over to the Conservation Program in our Aquarium. When they arrive at the Park, the hatchlings are marked by a graft technique that allows us to study their migratory routes and identify them when they return to nest 25 years later.

Until they are released into the wild at the end of a year, they are part of the Park's Environmental Education Program to teach visitors about sea turtles' life cycle and the measures taken to protect these endangered species. During the season, Xcaret and a group of enthusiastic amateur conservationists release an average of 300,000 hatchlings from the Park's turtle camps and neighboring beaches. Some ecological tours invite Park visitors to participate in the turtle release activities.

CORAL REEF AQUARIUM. The only one of its kind in the Americas, the coral reef aquarium transports visitors to the depths of the Caribbean Sea. It exhibits the biodiversity of the ocean's underwater gardens, with different ecosystems thriving at distinct depths. Very few aquariums in the world have been able to exhibit long-term healthy samples of these delicate and complex ecosystems. More than 300 corals have been planted successfully on the artificial reef structures, thanks, in part, to the unfiltered sea water continuous pumping system that allows free flow of plankton directly into the exhibit tanks, along with sponge larvae, corals, mollusks and algae that start natural colonization processes. This Xcaret marine exhibit includes more than 5,000 living organisms.

FLORA. The forest in southeast Mexico is home to numerous species of tree and bush fruits, timber, ornamental, medicinal, for construction or for rituals. In the Xcaret ecological tours visitor have some products that are derived from regional plants: gum, sisal fiber, coconut candy, cinnamon, vanilla, achiote, among others.

Twenty-five hybrids and 89 of the 105 orchid species found in the region are cultivated at the Xcaret's Orchid Greenhouse.

Xplor

About 65 million years ago, at the end of the Cretacean Era and the beginning of the Tertiary Sub-Era, an asteroid some 6 miles in diameter struck the Yucatan Peninsula at a speed of 150,000 miles per hour, bringing that Era to an abrupt end. The dinosaurs, incapable of surviving in a completely changed world, disappeared forever and extraordinary new life forms began to populate the Earth. Changes were also happening underground: the crater formed by the enormous asteroid began to fill with water that filtered underground, carving giant caverns as it eroded the limestone bedrock. Thay is how fantastic grottos and subterranean rivers were designed by nature for thousand of years. Now, Xplor gives to the visitant the experience to live an adventure in those fantastic sceneries.

Visitors will discover an underground world at Xplor, a world where they find amazing rock formations thousands of years old, drive Amphibious Vehicles on top and under the earth, row rafts through subterranean chambers, fly through the treetops on 11 zip-lines and swim through caverns and grottoes.

During the hike along Xplor's jungle paths, visitors may observe a great variety of animals, including some species thousands of years old that played an important role in the area's ancient civilizations.

The Park offers four activities for your enjoyment, each lasting approximately 45 minutes:

Amphibious vehicles: It's a thrilling, 3-mile trek along which visitors can discover the million-year-old secrets of Xplor's grottoes and caves. Inside the caves, the water level rises on parts of the trip, but there's no need to worry—these vehicles are equipped with floaters that don't affect the motor.

Underground Rafts On this ½ mile trip, Xplorers will row a raft with their own hands through fascinating grottoes and be awestruck by the extraordinary rock formations that have taken millions of years to form.

Zip-lines In this thrilling, 1.8-mile long adventure, Xplorers zip through the treetops for a bird's eye view of the Park's natural wonders as adrenaline pumps through their veins.

Stalactite River Here's where Xplorers go floating along in life jackets as they delight to the crystal-clear water and impressive stalactites and stalagmites. The river run is 437 yards long and the average water temperature is about 72° F.

Open Monday to Saturday from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.

Xplor is next to the Xcaret entrance, at Kilometer 282 on Federal Highway 307.

Reference points: Just 56 km (34 miles) from the Cancun International Airport. Only 6 km (3.6 miles) south of Playa del Carmen. 55 km (33 miles) north of Tulum.

Comments
Although I haven't located a source, I feel almost positive that the above images are copyrighted brochure photos, and the last two probably violate our recognizable people in photos policy. (WT-en) Texugo 00:10, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
 * I also think the four theme parks should probably be moved to the Do sections rather than be other destinations. What do you think? (WT-en) Texugo 00:30, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

 * Agreed on both points. I'd like to see all the photos deleted—they're clearly here for promotional purposes, and make the page look more like a company brochure than a legit travel guide. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 03:28, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

Problems?
Some disturbing reports: Do we need a warning or infobox? Where? Pashley (talk) 13:48, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * TripAdvisor removed warnings about rapes and injuries at Mexico resorts, tourists say
 * U.S. State Department warns tourists about tainted alcohol at Mexico resorts after blackouts reported

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Talk:Maybee

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Comments
May I ask the village of Maybee through email for quaestions pertaining to Wikivoyage and ask them to make a travel guide for local visitors? – (WT-en) CurvyEthyl 17:16, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

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Talk:Mayrhofen

ToDo

 * is there any interesting shopping in destinations near Mayrhofen (even if in Innsbruck or Salzburg)? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 02:35, 13 February 2010 (EST)

Mayrhofen initial draft
Swept in from the pub

I have just finished to post the info I found most valuable from my recent trip to Mayrhofen, a winter ski resort in Austria. As myself I don't see what important I could add, I'd like to ask for feedback on what's written so far. So if there's any criticism/missing parts, I could fix (or reason why it shouldn't) soon, while I remember most of the details.

The guide is far from even usable status, but I hope it is still somewhat useful already.

No local knowledge or skiing experience required ;-)

Thanks for any feedback! --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:11, 4 February 2010 (EST)

 * And if anyone is knowledgeable on Skiing in Austria, please feel free to move from Mayrhofen stuff that applies to everywhere in Austria to Winter sports in Austria (or let me know and I will move it myself, if it's earier for you). --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 02:37, 7 February 2010 (EST)

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Talk:Mays Landing

The removal of of Airport Chariot as a blatant advertisement is ridiculous. Are we to edit out all restaurants, hotels & stores as well? I added this company because I have used them and they provide a much needed service to someone traveling to Mays Landing. I guarantee that more people traveling to Mays Landing by way of an airport or rail station need transportation more than Macy's or a B&B.

 * Please refer to Project:Welcome, business owners for what the proper listing of a business is. They are not supposed to be spammed all over an area's city articles. How about just listing at airports they serve? (WT-en) OldPine 19:09, 4 March 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Maysville

If you know of any more information concerning the City of Maysville, please feel free to post.

Removed External links
I removed the external links in according with the policy. This one might be useful when writing the article, though. (WT-en) Jelse 01:48, 30 March 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Mazunte

I have changed the travel time to Pochutla from Oaxaca city from 4 to 8 hours, which reflects it actual duration.

Major update made October 2015
Hi Wikivoyagers, I have just spent some time in Mazunte and have made some fairly significant updates. This includes creating and rewording the 'Understand section', changing the layout of the 'get in; section so it is now organised by transport mode (similar to most other Wikivoyage pages), added some info about the rock pools and made some general grammar improvements to the whole page. Finally I also added a number of pictures to improve the look of the page. I hope the updates are correct, please let me know if I have made any mistakes. Cheers, --Justvagabonding (talk) 19:36, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for your contributions! I moved down the Stay safe section, because this is where we normally have it. Happy travels! ϒpsilon (talk) 19:51, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Mbeya

Border bus scams?
When I was there in 2005 there were much talked about scams where travel agents in Mbeya would sell tickets into Malawi, but then drop passengers off at the border, promising a bus would be waiting on the other side, though none existed. And were getting away with it time and time again since nobody was going to go through the hassle of re-crossing an international border to go and tell them off. Has this changed? My warning in "Get out" was deleted, but I'd love to hear someone speak up here and let us know that cross-border services actually do exist and have been taken successfully. I met 3 different couples in Malawi that had been scammed this way – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 14:20, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Málaga (province)

Why was this moved from Malaga? I figure that's the more common English spelling (per article naming conventions). --(WT-en) Evan 04:46, 6 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * English doesn't use accents... I vote for a revert. -- (WT-en) Nils 05:19, 6 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * A new user made this and a couple of other moves just like it. I was about to revert and suggest user read the Foreign-language names and Project:Article_naming_conventions. -- (WT-en) Huttite 05:40, 6 Apr 2004 (EDT)

 * Have reverted the move back to Malaga (province), (and 2 other that were similar) made by User:(WT-en) Sjc196 - Will check for more. - (WT-en) Huttite 05:55, 6 Apr 2004 (EDT)

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Talk:Máncora

if its winter in oeru is it still hot there to get a tan?

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Talk:Mémorial Charles de Gaulle

Hello, I have been working for the Mémorial Charles de Gaulle, and I own the credi to use this picture.

 * The content of this article seems to be copied from here and all of the content of that site is copyrighted and will in no way comply with our licence. Sorry about that. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:00, 30 November 2009 (EST)

 * Additionally, WT does not usually have articles about specific attractions. Any details of Memorial Charles de Gaulle belong in the city where it is located. Please place it there, but no copyrighted text please. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:06, 30 November 2009 (EST)

 * I am not sure what the legal situation in France is, but under English, and American, copyright and common law, any work you do for and on behalf of an employer is owned by the employer, not you, unless you and your employer have an agreement that explicitly says otherwise. The Wikivoyage editing submission form says All contributions must be your own original work .... The operative word are your, own, original. The fact that it appears on another website, first, means that while it might be your work, you do not appear to own it exclusively, but share that ownership with someone else, and it is not original, otherwise it would have been submitted here first. -- (WT-en) Huttite 07:51, 30 November 2009 (EST)

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Talk:Mérida (Mexico)

Photo gallery
I put the photo gallery back in, as there is no mention of galleries being addressed in the Manual of style, nor policy for their removal. Early conversations on this subject encouraged the use of galleries so they would load the pictures last. There also is not excessive use of photo's in this article and the photo's add much to the information a visitor may want. (WT-en) 2old 09:59, 6 January 2010 (EST)

Lessons for Mexican national parks
(Moved from Talk:United States National Parks)

The article for Dzibilchaltún is presently up for Project:Votes for deletion, the basic bone of contention being whether the Mexican Parque Nacional de Dzibilchaltún qualifies as a destination in terms of size, significance, stand-aloneness, and so on. Several other Mexican parks are similarly nominated. In my opinion it's wonderful to see the Mexican national park system get some articles, and it could probably use an overall article comparable to the US one to set context. More immediately, however, some insights are needed to shape the VFD. Unfortunately, the erratic way "minor" US parks and (particularly) monuments are handled, with some getting articles and some not, serves mainly to obfuscate, rather than clarify, the situation with Mexican parks.

Please join the discussion regarding individual articles on the VFD, but I've routed the overall discussion here for the time being, since we don't have a Mexican-parks article yet. We could take advantage of this to propose a Mexican-parks article with clearer guidelines on the "what is an article?" question than we've been able to make for the US parks. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:30, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

CAME Bus Station Seems Closed
I visited the TAME/CAME bus stations today and the old CAME station seems closed up and shut down. I am under the impression that everything that once functioned there is now at the new station next door, but I am just passing through and don't have authoritative knowledge. I'm hoping that someone in the know can make an update.

done. Flightnavigator (talk) 19:50, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Møre og Romsdal

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Cities vs Regions
I wonder if listing all the municipalities as cities is appropriate to do here? There are something like 36 municipalities that might be listed. Most of these municipalities are more like rural regions or districts dotted with villages that are grouped together for administrative purposes. To call them cities is misleading. (Although some might be other destinations). If all the municipalities are listed then the list would substantially exceed the desirable 7±2 rule. Wikipedia also suggests that Møre og Romsdal is traditionally, culturally and geographically divided into three regions:
 * Nordmøre - The northern coastal region, which consists of Kristiansund, Averøy, Tingvoll, Surnadal, Rindal, Aure, Halsa, Eide, Sunndal, Gjemnes and Smøla municipalities.
 * Romsdal - Based on the central valley of the Rauma river and consists of Molde, Aukra, Fræna, Midsund, Nesset, Rauma, Sandøy, and Vestnes municipalities.
 * Sunnmøre - The southern costal region, which consists of Ålesund, Giske, Hareid, Herøy, Norddal, Sande, Skodje, Haram, Stordal, Stranda, Sula, Sykkylven, Ulstein, Vanylven, Volda, Ørskog, and Ørsta municipalities.

There are only 3 communities that one might consider cities in the conventional sense here. Additionally, Åndalsnes is a railroad terminal and transit point for travellers, so could warrant a mention in the city list. How does this sort of region/city breakdown sound? - (WT-en) Huttite 23:36, 8 January 2010 (EST)
 * Kristiansund, which is the only city in Nordmøre.
 * Molde, which is the administrative centre of the county.
 * Ålesund, which is the major city in Sunnmøre and the largest of the county.

 * It is misleading to call these tiny villages "cities". I have renamed. --Erik den yngre (talk) 16:43, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

I totally agree with both of you. What do we do with e.g. Geiranger which currently has it's own page? --Vebjorl (talk) 16:24, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Not sure what you mean.--Erik den yngre (talk) 16:18, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

I mean: Should Geiranger also be listed as a Destination within the Møre og Romsdal-page or a new Romsdal-page instead of having it's own page? Vebjorl (talk) 23:07, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Why shouldnt Geiranger have its own page? --Erik den yngre (talk) 04:16, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Map error?
The map possibly has the wrong location for Aure. Shown on the map is Aure in Fræna municipality, not Aure in Aure municipality which the link under "Other destinations" goes to. 77.223.173.83 22:37, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

See: List of attractions
Text now under "Itineraries" should be merged with text in the list of attractions. --Erik den yngre (talk) 18:11, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Region articles
Region articles should not have detailed listings for points of interest, restaurants, shops, or hotels. Region article template says:
 * "Individual listings should be placed at the lowest available level of local page (a district of a huge city or the city page for a small town)."
 * "points of interest (such as those mentioned in "See" sections) should not usually have markers in region articles but should be linked to the bottom-level article where they have full listings."

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Talk:McAllen

This article makes me feel ashamed to live in the valley. There is not even a mention of the booming ecotourism industry we have booming here.

Honestly: "They are known as the Winter Texans. They are very good drivers- and follow all the rules- even the speed limits- this can frustrate typical drivers."

Come on. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 67.11.80.14 (talk • contribs)

 * Plunge forward! (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 22:01, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

Franchise obsession
So I assume people who edit this article are strangers to the local business. A travel page is for tourists who want something original and authentic and judging from the restaurants and stores mentioned, the editors place more attention at the franchise businesses that make its way to the city. It's pathetic. People want to come to another city because it offers something unique and genuine. From reading this article, it is completely the opposite of original. It's just another copy. Who mentions franchises such as Romano's or Carino's? These restaurants are pretty much everywhere in the country. Nothing great about them. Shine a light at the struggling local businesses in McAllen. That is what should be noted here, not big franchises. De88 (talk) 20:27, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

 * Normally, Wikivoyage policy is at most to mention in prose that such-and-such franchises are operating in such-and-such area. Non-notable chain locations don't deserve listings. Please go ahead and delete them, and list only independent establishments worthy of patronage. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:11, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

 * I refuse to edit this article, primarily because the city leaders indulge their citizens with franchise restaurants and national chain stores. As a local from Brownsville, this city competes way to much with my hometown. I have no interest in fixing anything about this article. This city is an embarrassment. Yes - I am biased but I am only this way because I see the way a city neglects their own local businesses. The only reason I came to edit on here was to delete anything that mentioned big box corporations, who do not deserve the free advertisement they get on Wikivoyage. The fact that the people from the McAllen area boast about having so-and-so stores and restaurants is just sad. A city is made great from attractions other than restaurants or stores - museums, parks, art culture, active tourism plans and festivals make a thriving city. De88 (talk) 19:37, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

 * As a musician and son of an artist and anthropologist, of course I'm interested in good museums and performances, but I don't agree that restaurants or stores can't be important ingredients in making a place great. But my friend, if you refuse to edit this article, don't assume anyone else will. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:36, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

 * I think restaurants are definitely a key ingredient in making a place great and touristic, but when over 90% of restaurants that open in McAllen and its vicinity are chains, then there really is nothing worth special to mention. That is primarily why I do not want to edit this article. I really do believe local restaurants/stores are what truly make a city worth visiting. Take Austin for example, one of the fastest growing cities in America right now that has known for its unique attractions and great local restaurants. Many stop here to try something different. Some suggest McAllen will become another plastic city in the map of America. I don't disagree with them. They're complete right. Nothing there is original. You have big box chain stores/restaurants and nothing else to offer visitors. Brownsville, on the other hand, has so much to offer and I commend its citizens and local government in wanting to preserve what we have here. Since you mentioned you are a "musician and son of an artist and anthropologist", make Brownsville your next destination. Trust me, the city has many museums and an emerging music/arts scene which the youth is aiding in reviving. Definitely check the city out. There is much more to Brownsville than all the edits I've made on here. You really have to visit to see what I mean. De88 (talk) 02:48, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

"See" section
In all honesty, I've only traveled to the city at best less than 10 times in my whole life. As I mentioned, I refuse to edit this article for reasons mentioned on the above post, but even if I did, my knowledge of regions in this area is extremely limited. I was in the belief that if an editor simply publishes a laundry list of attractions, without providing info/details on them, that it can be deleted from the article. This is an issue that happened over at Wikipedia where laundry lists were not allowed. I'm assuming that this is not the case here on Wikivoyage. Ikan Kekek De88 (talk) 02:28, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

 * Laundry lists without information are bad, but sometimes it's worse to delete them. It would be different if it were an article called "Parks in McAllen" that consisted of just names and addresses. That would get turned into a redirect very quickly. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:33, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

 * I do remember a user simply transferring the laundry list to the talk page. Should the parks be left this way or moved here? De88 (talk) 02:52, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

 * I have no strong opinion about this, but it seems to me that moving every park listing here would be worse than leaving them all on the page. Maybe someone else will have a different opinion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:07, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:McLean (Virginia)

Does this page need a disambig? I can't find another one besides the one in Virginia. I'm just starting to wonder as it seems like all the little cities in Virginia have (Virginia), but maybe they just have commonly used names? (WT-en) Majnoona 15:17, 1 Feb 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Mecca

Unwikilinked Hajj. Should be covered fully and completely within the Mecca article.
I thought this deserved to be pointed out after (WT-en) Colin made the remark in the log. I have to agree - the WikiTravel article is intended to be stand-alone and information about the Hajj could be very useful. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 13:38, 30 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * One note, Project:What is an article? specifically states: "As another exception, and an even rarer one, certain exceptional or singularly important festivals/events could have their own articles. Examples are:
 * the Indian Khumb Mela
 * the Hajj (Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca)"

 * Since in two years no one has written an article on either of these events it seems to make more sense to include their info in the parent articles (unless/until that becomes unwieldy, in which case a new article should probably be created), but if that is done then Project:What is an article? should probably be updated. -- (WT-en) Ryan 13:50, 30 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * I forgot it was a possible iterary. But since the Mecca article implies that the Haj is a pilgrimage to Mecca alone and no other location, it seems to me the info belongs within the Mecca article unless the info is too large. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:33, 30 Jul 2005 (EDT)

 * No, the Hajj traditionally includes a visit to the other holy city, Medina, where the prophet lived for some years from when he was driven out of Mecca until his triumphant return. Also, almost all pilgrims pass through at least the airport at Jeddah and many visit the city.

OK, I've written a Hajj article. (WT-en) Pashley 07:38, 31 May 2006 (EDT)

If I lie and visit...
What's the worst that could happen? Could you give me a plausible scenario of how that end result could come about?

 * Well, the worst would be that you're beheaded (or just beaten to death by a mob), and you could make this happen by, say, sneaking in and then yelling "Muhammed was a poopiehead" at the Kaaba or something. Note that just "lying" isn't going to be enough, converts to Islam usually need a signed certificate from their local mosque attesting to their faith and (for men) foreskinlessness to apply for the Hajj visa. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:28, 30 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Okay if I fake it and visit, and remain discreet throughout the faux pilgrimage--is there any plausible way I could be uncovered and die? 128.54.63.97 10:33, 30 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Uh, IANAM ('I Am Not A Muslim") but I think that you might easily reveal yourself but not knowing the language, customs, rituals, etc etc... I think you should taking some time to consider what Mecca means to those who devote their whole lives (not to mention a huge part of their life's income) to their visit there. I'm not sure what you're hoping to gain from a "faux pilgrimage." Just to say "been there, done that"? Have you been everywhere else already? (WT-en) Majnoona 10:46, 30 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Well, I'm planning on giving it a try. I'm big on travel and I'm just not keen on a whole city telling me I can't go. RE: the foreskin business, A) This isn't technically required by the Qur'an, and B) Who's checking?
 * Has it occurred to you that someone may unintentionally check you while you're urinating? Or do you plan on not drinking out there in the desert for a few days?  Also, the notion that a group has no right to keep an out-of-the way sacred city private to themselves is self-centered at best.   I mean, if it were a place that you'd want to go if it wasn't sacred is one thing, but to go just because it is? But then, since your not serious about anything except trolling.... -- (WT-en) Colin 03:25, 31 May 2006 (EDT)

I lived in Saudi Arabia in the 80s and was told at the time that the penalty for non-Muslms visiting either Mecca or Medina was death. Sir Richard Burton did it in the 19th century and wrote about it. (WT-en) Pashley 07:07, 31 May 2006 (EDT)
 * Don't believe for one moment that you'll be able to fool anyone. You're going to need a visa. For the sake of argument you're an American. According to the Saudi Embassy in D.C. "an Islamic certificate must be presented; this needs to be notarized by an Islamic Center." I doubt very much so an Islamic Center will  rubber stamp your request. Also, see The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia's Ministry of Hajj  - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 03:39, 31 May 2006 (EDT)
 * I've flipped through his narrative. It was surprisingly boring!  He knew far too much about their customs.  There was no challenge.
 * He didn't learn about their customs by surfing the web, dude. Learning enough to successfully "pass" was part of the challenge. Unless your idea of "a challenge" translates to "doing something foolish that I'm also not prepared for"... then the chances of your story being more interesting than his – but much briefer and never actually written – are pretty good. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 20:42, 5 June 2006 (EDT)

If you really want to go somewhere difficult and adventurous that almost no-one else has been to, try Nurestan. (WT-en) Pashley 20:49, 1 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Or sail to Howland Island or parachute to the North Pole or canoe up the Amazon or ski Bouvet Island or something else that doesn't have as its focus spitting on the beliefs of other people? - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 20:42, 5 June 2006 (EDT)
 * But its spitting on other ppl that makes this faux pilgrimage so appealing. Here's what Burton had to say in his account:
 * There at last it lay, the bourn of my long and weary pilgrimage, realising the plans and hopes of many and many a year … I may truly say that, of all the worshippers who clung weeping to the curtain, or who pressed their beating hearts to the stone, none felt for the moment a deeper emotion than did the Haji from the far north …. But, to confess humbling truth, theirs was the high feeling of religious enthusiasm, mine was the ecstasy of gratified pride.
 * The fantastic symbolism of overlooking throngs of pious, and knowing you have triumphed over these people. It sounds enchanting.

Nowhere does it say American visas have to be signed for at an Islamic center. This burden is only required of converts: If the applicant has converted to Islam, an Islamic certificate must be presented; this needs to be notarized by an Islamic Center. 128.54.78.215 04:08, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

I'm the guy who originally posted with the idea of going to Mecca. The reason I want to go is because it's one of the few places considered mamnu3 (forbidden) in the world to me. Those other places mentioned, sure they'd be tough but no one is forbidding me from going. In regards to knowing my stuff, keep in mind that I am very well read when it comes to religion, Islam especially. In addition, I've lived in a predominantly Muslim country. In regards to spitting on the beliefs of other people, I wouldn't consider it spitting on their beliefs as their beliefs are my own, to some extant (I can say the shahadah without lying. I simply don't fit most Muslim organizations' definition of a Muslim). The hajj would be as real to me as for the rest of the participants. I just can't do it 'legit' as doing so would be denying some of the other prophets, which I could never do. (WT-en) Iwsfutcmd 07:17, 14 June 2006 (EDT)
 * You're giving different (and probably incompatible) answers here: 1) "I want to go because they won't let me." 2) "I want to go because it would be spiritually meaningful to me." Maybe you should figure out which one's correct. Anyway, this page is supposed to be for discussing the contents of the article: it answers the question of whether a non-Muslim is welcome and the likely consequences, and the wisdom to heed that or not is up to you. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 07:45, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

I'm assuming from your above description of yourself that you might be Ahmedi or one of the other sects considered heretical and therefore disallowed from entry. I say quite simply: If you want to go, then go. The prohibition on non-Muslims like you is a relatively recent development and so isn't really to do with the religion, but more to do with logistics, and the whims of the puritans who now rule the country. Besides, once you manage to get yourself a Hajj or Umrah visa no-one is ever going to ask you if you are a Muslim or not. There are checkpoints as you enter Makkah, but they are a formality and if you come into the city by bus/coach, they never ever stop those vehicles to have a look at the people inside. If you are white, then you can expect some primo treatment as the locals have some racial inferiority complexes and absolutely love the idea of white people taking on their religion. If you're not white then you will look just like many millions who come through the city, and no-one will bat an eyelid. Either way, it is worth at least looking like a Muslim, by growing a short beard and/or adopting the attire from one of the Muslim cultures - Indian, Bengali, Malaysian, Arabic, Turkish etc. - and no-one would ever ask if you are Muslim. Having said that, I walked around in jeans and a T-shirt sometimes, and saw many others doing the same, and this wasn't an issue. MuslamicRay (talk) 08:28, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

OK now I am confused
What is the punishment for a non muslim who tries to go to Mecca, either successfully or unsuccessfully? Deportation, death, or something else?--(WT-en) Jabuddi 03:25, 12 November 2006 (EST)
 * The death penalty is definitely an option, albeit it's not up for the alleged to decide the punishment. This guy was lucky because the Indian government was able to convince the Saudis that it was not his fault for straying into Medina.  I highly doubt Saudis would use the death penalty for people entering Medina and not for Mecca, the holiest Muslim city. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 22:52, 2 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I reread the article I provided and while there have never been any reported or registered state sanctioned execution of non-Muslims should we keep the warning as it is or should we note that apparently Saudi officials will or may (we can never know how they may view things) take a lenient view if the violation appears accidental? -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 00:19, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I confess to being confused on this issue too. Argh. -- (WT-en) Colin 14:35, 3 April 2007 (EDT)

 * I think the death penalty is very much an option, however, the Saudis are kind of forced to take a lenient view. I mean why would they execute a foreigner whose home nation is as powerful as India, the U.K. or the U.S?  It'd be incredibly stupid and would put a huge strain on foreign relations.
 * Anyhow, hopefully I can put an end to this question – I just emailed the Saudi Embassy in D.C., but I'm doubtful that they'll actually answer my question, which was quite to the point: Could you please explain to me if a non-Muslim enters Medina or Makkah will they potentially face the possibility of execution? -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 15:05, 3 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Well, actually they did reply. Non-Muslims would not be executed for entering the holy cities. — The Saudi Embassy, Washington, D.C.

 * I didn't copy over the entire email, but they list the reasons why they do not want non-Muslims to visit the cities. The first was due to the logistics – they already have millions of pilgrims visiting during Hajj and Umrah so resources can wear thin.  Imagine if they had to deal with another 3 million people who simply want to go to see what's going on.  The other major reason is because non-Muslims visiting would detract from the pilgrims' experience.  Plus, what's the point  of going if all you're going to do is watch people pray.

 * So at long last I (and Wikivoyage) have solved the age old question. No you will not die (by the hands of the Saudi government).  Just don't piss off any pilgrims or get caught because you're likely to get kicked out of and jailed (as was the case with the Indian man). -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 16:58, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Thanks for doing the footwork on this! -- (WT-en) Colin 17:51, 3 April 2007 (EDT)

 * Out of curiosity I emailed the embassy again and asked them about jail and deportation as this happened to the Indian man. The article indicates that the Indian guy was detained by the religious police and its volunteers, but the embassy tells me that that organization does not have the power to detain or arrest anyone, which has really confused me.  I also emailed the Ministry of Hajj in the hopes of getting their take. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 14:31, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

 * The mutawwa alone do not have the power to arrest people, but they usually patrol with regular cops, who do. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:18, 11 February 2008 (EST)

As I understand it the embassy isn't been wholly forthcoming, I remember asking a few years back and the reply stated that Saudi (Sharia) law has no set penalty for any crime so technically it could happen. Clearly they now have ruled it out, you can get fined for driving towards Mecca, in Mecca probably jail or lashings. Besides if you were absolutely determined convert to Islam then the certificate wouldn't be a problem. Personally I am already essentially convered with regards to my feelings for the other faiths but would not perform Hajj unless I was 100% sure of everything, there is a lesser pilgrimage called Umrah which features the walking around the Kabba and running between the two hills but doesn't go much further and outside of Hajj you could still visit the Hajj sites (mostly. There isn't much in it for a normal secular tourist though, the two holy mosques are almost entirely modern in their construction, the Kabba is in it's fourth of fifth forme etc.

What will be happen?
What would happen if a person(on Umrah visa) try to visit other cities like Ryadh, Jeddah or Dammam to meet with relatives.. Jailed or fined? --116.71.52.224 04:56, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

 * Visiting Jeddah on an umrah visa is usually allowed. But otherwise, you may be "subject to punishment, including imprisonment or fines of ten thousand riyals".

Public transportation? or none?
The Get around section of our article says "Local buses, taxis, and micro-buses are widely available in Mecca and are inexpensive." However, the transportation section of the wikipedia article says "The city lacks any public transportation options for residents and visitors alike, both during and outside of the pilgrimage season. The main transportation options available for travel within and around the city are either personal vehicles or private taxis." Which one is correct? Texugo (talk) 01:55, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, didn't spotted this until yet. Texugo, Mecca is an important city of the kingdom, has seen tremendous expansion and improvement in infrastructure, and public transportation is good throughout the year. --Saqib (talk) 10:51, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Founder of Islam?
Muslims consider Adam to have been the first prophet of Islam and Muhammad to have been Allah's last Messenger. Is calling the Prophet Muhammad the "founder of Islam" uncontroversial among Muslims? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:03, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * As far as I know it is controversial. The previous version of the lead handled this better, I would say. —Granger (talk · contribs) 10:08, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:11, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Muhammed "is" the founder of Islam.
 * In Islam, Adam is the believed to be the first man on Earth and the first prophet of Islam. Another resource to back that up. Roovinn (talk) 12:09, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Britannica is not an Islamic publication, and especially in an article about Mecca, we should not be relying on non-Muslim sources to definitively state who founded Islam. Neither of the other pages you link have the word "founder" in them, per a word search, and the position of Adam as the first human and first prophet of Islam is not the issue here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:50, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I should say that one of the first things I learned when I was engaged in religious discussions in Malaysia is that to Muslims, Muhammad was not the founder of Islam, and that all the prophets were Muslims. To a Jew, this was a strange idea, because I understood the history of Islam to begin with Muhammad and Islam to be a younger religion that was an offshoot of Judaism. However, anyone who understands that the word "Islam" means "submission to God" can easily see how anyone Muslims believe to be a prophet would have to by definition be a Muslim. If you can explain how someone who was the last messenger of a religion that had existed since the beginning of the human race could be uncontroversially called the "founder" of something that was not new but merely clarified because of distortions that had seeped into the Torah and Gospels (the Muslim view of the situation at the time the Angel Gabriel dictated the Qur'an to Muhammad), go ahead, but to my knowledge, this is an absolutely un-Islamic view. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:58, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Frankly, I don't see what's the issue with saying Muhammad is the founder of Islam. I've never heard of it being a controversial issue, and I haven't come across anything stating that. The only "controversial" thing I've come across is people trying to depict Muhammad, only that. Roovinn (talk) 13:03, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If you found something, that means it's new. How many religious discussions have you had with Muslims about Islam? (I'm guessing you're not yourself a Muslim, but if you are, what have other Muslims said to you about this question?) Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:16, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I'm not sure where are you going with this. Roovinn (talk) 13:45, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Please explain what part is unclear. If something isn't new, you didn't found it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:46, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * As Abrahamic religions, don’t Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all trace their origins to Abraham? --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 13:54, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It would be really interesting to hear what an imam would say in response to that; I suspect different imams would give you different discourses. You can look at Abraham in Islam for a start, keeping in mind the warnings on it. But I think it makes sense that the words "founder" and "founded" are not used in the article. Instead, it states that: 'In Muslim belief, Ibrahim fulfilled all the commandments and trials wherein God nurtured him throughout his lifetime. As a result of his unwavering faith in Allah, Ibrahim was promised by Allah to be a leader to all the nations of the world.[4] The Quran extols Ibrahim as a model, an exemplar, obedient and not an idolater.[5] In this sense, Abraham has been described as representing "primordial man in universal surrender to the Divine Reality before its fragmentation into religions separated from each other by differences in form".[6]: 18' Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:01, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * By the way, look at this from Adam in Islam: 'Adam (Arabic: آدم, romanized: ʾAadam) is believed to have been the first human being on Earth and the first prophet (Arabic: نبي, nabi) of Islam.[1][...][2] Muslims see Adam as the first Muslim, as the Quran states that all the Prophets preached the same faith of Islam (Arabic: إسلام, 'Submission' (to God)).[3]' So wouldn't that make Adam the founder of Islam according to an Islamic (as opposed to historical) view, unless we give that role to Allah Himself? Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:05, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think that makes sense per discussion. Important but not the founder. This is an interesting discussion.
 * I think this article should focus on Muhammed, though, due to the history of Mecca itself. To be clear, what edit caused this thread? I'd be interested to see how it was mentioned in the article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 16:07, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Haha, my bad. It's in the lede! I was looking at the history section. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 16:07, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Could we change it to "This city is the birthplace of Prophet Muhammed, [seen as the final prophet in Islam], and Muslims believe the Qu'ran was first revealed to Muhammad here."
 * Would this more accurately represent the Islamic view of Muhammed's role within the religion? --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 16:09, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I believe it would. It would be great if a Muslim were participating in this thread, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:12, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Are there any other language wikis we could ask, such as Arabic Wikivoyage? Is there an Arabic Wikivoyage? --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 19:40, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Or https://fa.wikivoyage.org/? --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 19:44, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sure some of the Nigerian users here are Muslims. I'll post to the pub and Requests for comment asking for input if you don't beat me to it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:46, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. Tweak the language if you like. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:53, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, hopefully this brings some more expertise to the discussion. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 19:57, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * By any chance, should we ask anyone in the test projects for id, ar and/or ms wikivoyages in the incubator? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 20:28, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * As you wish. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:49, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The issue is that:
 * I don't know how to say "Travellers pub" in both those languages and I can't write in Malay nor Indonesian. My reading skills in Malay is pretty limited as well.
 * incubator pages are not connected via Wikidata, so I'm not sure how to find that page
 * whether they even have a travellers pub at this point in time.
 * -- SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:56, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The equivalent of the Travellers' pub on ms.wikivoyage.org, which redirects to https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wy/ms/Laman_Utama&redirectfrom=infopage, is Wq/ms/Wikiquote:Kedai kopi, "kedai kopi" meaning "coffeehouse." However, there are no posts on it. Ironically, searching for "kedai kopi" on the Indonesian incubator seems to produce the same results. I think we should just do our best for now. Too bad Saqib is no longer around, but it's surprising to me that there aren't more Muslims around at the moment. To be clear, there are some, but they aren't participating in this thread. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:00, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * One of the links you linked (incubator:Wq/ms/Wikiquote:Kedai kopi) seems to be the Wikiquote one, but yeah, it's empty, so asking there won't help us. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:09, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Ikan Kekek Is this thread good to be removed from rfc? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:39, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure, because that notice isn't likely to be of any further help. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:10, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Non-Muslims
You removed the statement that the minimum penalty for non-Muslims entering Mecca is deportation, and the statement that documentation will be checked on entry. Why did you remove this – is the penalty different now? Is documentation no longer checked for visitors? —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:29, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

 * @Mx. Granger Hi there, I removed it because there's a lot of conflicting opinions on what will happen if you attempt to enter Mecca as a non-Muslim. Some will say that you will get arrested if you attempt to enter, others will say you will be turned away, and so on. Better to just let readers know that non-Muslims aren't allowed to enter Mecca, plain and simple. Roovinn (talk) 12:34, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Role of Prophet Muhammad in Islam
Hi, everyone! We're trying to work out an optimal phrasing to describe his role in relation to his home town of Mecca. The discussion thread is at Talk:Mecca The participation of any Muslims, or non-Muslims who have excellent knowledge of Islam, would be most appreciated, as surprisingly, none of the participants in the thread so far are Muslims (I lived in a Muslim village in Malaysia for a couple of years, but I am Jewish). Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:50, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Huge magnetic field???
From the article:

''Contrary to popular belief, the city does not have a "huge magnetic field" that would disrupt flight activity. It is just internet hearsay.''

I've never run across this bizarre claim. Do we really have to rebut insane claims from other corners of the Internet? What's next? Debunking the claims of Q-Anon supporters that Jews are operating space lasers to start forest fires and rebutting the allegations in the past by supporters of Lyndon LaRouche that Queen Elizabeth is a cocaine dealer? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:17, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

 * I've actually run across this claim twice, but it was years ago so I can't remember where. However will probably know better. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:19, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

 * OK, but that's insane. Is it really worth a mention? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:21, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ikan Kekek, @SHB2000
 * There are two bizarre claims running wild on the internet: One that birds cannot fly around Mecca, and the other is well, this magnetic field claim.
 * Link 1, Link 2, Link 3
 * This stuff has been posted to many corners of the internet, and it could very easily mislead users. Figured I could just point out that it is hearsay in case anyone gets the wrong idea.
 * If it's not appropriate, we can gladly remove it. Roovinn (talk) 09:25, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and removed the sentence. Roovinn (talk) 09:28, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I mean, it's not hearsay; it's total insanity. How could such things possibly be factual? That's the problem. It would be like having to deny President Biden is a Martian. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:42, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I suppose such "facts" are designed to make Mecca an even more captivating place. Who knows? Roovinn (talk) 13:26, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Just nonsense by superstitious people, I imagine. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:45, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania

Regions
The regions of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania is a mess, I suggest we change it to follow the regions in WT German
 * Western Mecklenburg
 * Central Mecklenburg
 * Mecklenburg Lake District
 * Mecklenburgische Schweiz
 * Western Pomerania

Comments?, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 08:03, 11 August 2010 (EDT)

 * Claus, i think we can merge Mecklenburg Lake District and Mecklenburgische Schweiz into one district as its very sparsely populated. I think the name Lake District (Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania) should do the job. (WT-en) jan 09:46, 11 August 2010 (EDT)

redirect
is there a redirect from the German name Mecklenburg Vorpommern ? if not, there should be, as people har4dly ever guess the translated name correctly...141.30.210.129 23:45, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Given that that's a red link, there is no such redirect. So please plunge forward and create one. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:50, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I do not know how that is done.141.30.210.129 16:23, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You start a new page (type in the precise name into "Search" and you will be prompted to do so if no such page exists) and all that needs to be in that page is a redirect (inserted by the blue arrow icon in the "Advanced" menu). By the way, would be brilliant if you registered and logged in with your user account, this would make communicating with you much easier. PrinceGloria (talk) 19:04, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Regions 2
First of all, I think the discussion above should be archived, if not for other reasons than because it links to a place that was even than not part of this project any more. Furthermore, I would argue that as of now the regions are entirely superfluous and we can do without them until and unless this here article gets to unwieldy. Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:00, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I was actually thinking of moving Rügen up to a region below the state region. But I do see your point on the other sub-regions, there is little content and only a few towns. --Traveler100 (talk) 14:52, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * So if we removed the current sub-regions and make Rugia a region of the state there are only 3 towns (Kühlungsborn, Güstrow, Heringsdorf) not listed on this page. I think we could break the 9 in a list guideline in this case as the current solution is even more annoying, but we could also split the list between cities and towns or some other sub-title like coastal and inland towns. --Traveler100 (talk) 08:16, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea. If I am not mistaken the vast majority of tourists in this area go to the seaside towns, anyway and there is not all that much business travel going on (as evidenced by the lack of both a 100 mph / 160 km/h plus ICE and decent plane connections) Hobbitschuster (talk) 11:28, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Medan

I've reverted the contributions by SophisticatedLady because they appeared to have been made in a very short period of time, included many specific facts, and contained no spelling errors. Rather unusually for such an efficient contributor, there are a significant number of non-sequitors. This unusual combination of factors makes me worry that a copyvio of some type may have occurred. We can restore the content if the contributor verifies that they indeed wrote everything in that. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:00, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Becak: 11. June: You can still get Becak for 6000 or 8000 for 10 minutes rides. When you pay 10000, you pay a lot. I think its wrong that the feel the recession, i never paid like 25000. Its bullshit. I deleted the Inflation part of Becak Schizo-Vreni, 11 June 2009

Alpha Hotel listing
It's a very good negative review, but it's still a negative review. Is the hotel so well known that it's important to list it at all? Wikivoyage guidelines normally call for no listings of bad establishments. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:08, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Kuala Namu Airport and its transportation listings
Currently, the by bus and train section of the airport is at a higher hierarchy than the By Bus & Train section proper itself (meaning intercity buses and trains). I am tidying it up without changing any content

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Talk:Medellín

Anyone have info on bus service from Medellin to Tolima? All the details would be nice. Also, how safe is it? Have any of these bus routes between these two cities been in danger from guerrillas? Also, this being the rainy season, how about the danger of flooding and mudslides?

JR

Sterling, VA

Medellin to Ibague (Capital of Tolima) can be done in two ways: First, you can take a bus directly to Ibague from "Terminal del Sur". "Expreso Bolivariano" or "Expreso Arauca" are good options although there are other transportation companies. Second way is going first to Bogota and then Ibague; this way is a bit longer but buses to Bogota are more frenquent than directly to Ibague from Medellin. I don't think it is any danger with guerrillas (anyway, it is better to travel on day time). About your last point, it is always a risk in colombian roads; you always will have a chance to find floodings or mudslides.

I have to question the statemen about Botero "whose namesake is arguably the most famous modern artist alive today" What's the evidence for this? Cliff England

False advertising, unsourced
Medellín is not "one of the safest cities in latin america", especially not for residents. The statement is unsourced and should be updated in accordance with authoritative sources. Between the late 1990's and 2007 there was an improvemnt, but since the paramilitary boss Don Berna was sent to the US things have gone crazy again. I will update the article with proper sources, but then again, anything is better than the unsourced piece that exists now. / Sofia Hernández --(WT-en) Palenque! 20:19, 21 November 2010 (EST)

Disambig
Medellin, Cebu in the Philippines is a small town (55,000) & we do not yet have an article for it. Medellin (disambiguation) lists a few more, so at some point we may need a disambig page. Pashley (talk) 16:36, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

The Climate chart
Does the climate thing work for other people? Is my browser just unable to read it? If no one responds to this, I will delete it on the assumption that my computer isn't fouling up. Wyote (talk) 03:15, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yikes. It's a nightmare. Doesn't work at all on my tablet. Ground Zero (talk) 03:21, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Same issue here on the desktop; it doesn't seem to like temperatures specified as "janmean =" instead of "janhigh =","janlow =". If I stick the listed mean temperature in for both 'high' and 'low' then the browser displays it on my TV correctly - which is not a fix. If we do keep 'high'/'low', the table will need to be fixed to put real data in there instead of the same number for both? K7L (talk) 03:37, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Just a note - I checked and it looks like this is=was the only page with such issue. Andree.sk (talk) 05:19, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Good work, K7L. Wyote (talk) 07:32, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Show Metrocable on Map
Given that it has really "get around" uses, should Metrocable show up on the map? I don't know how valuable it is for pleasure travelers, but it certainly is of use for locals and thereby conceivably also for some longer term visitors and certain business travelers. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:14, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

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