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Talk:Elgin (North Dakota)

See Where did the "External links" sections go?' (WT-en) SHC 19:09, 28 April 2006 (EDT)
 * Official Elgin, ND site
 * Aerial photo
 * Profile
 * Town info
 * Elgin info

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Talk:Elham

''This page is for discussing the corresponding article or guide. For more about using talk pages check out Project:Using talk pages.''

Can you sleep here?
Not sure if there are any hotels (or even pub rooms) here. --(WT-en) Wandering 21:49, 13 January 2008 (EST)

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Talk:El Jem

Can anybody prove the text below by external link or so? "More recently it has been used for filming some of the scenes from the Oscar winning film Gladiator."

I haven't found "Gladiator" (2000) official web site, but there is no Tunisia in Filming locations neither here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladiator_(2000_film)#Production nor here:    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0172495/locations

Page banner
We have a new banner for this article from the recent Wiki Loves Monuments competition. It's much nicer and shows the amphitheater more prominently. I would strongly support the change. --Alexander (talk) 00:34, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

 * I support the change, too. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:34, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Changed, thanks! --Alexander (talk) 23:06, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:El Kef

Residence Venus
My room had a (working) heater in Oct '07. (WT-en) Rudythebear 14:48, 20 November 2007 (EST)

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Talk:Ella

More Information Required
I've been to Ella 4 times now, but only ever stayed at the Hill Top Guest House. This page badly needs reviews of other places to stay. If you have any recommendations please add them. Thanks. --(WT-en) Wayneinmelton 02:17, 3 September 2007 (EDT)

Sun Top Inn
In Sun Top Inn review, we have this piece:

> free cookery demonstrations available.

Can someone share whether there's any practical value in them? Are they like a cooking course, or something less serious? Can you really learn something from it? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 15:43, 8 January 2008 (EST)

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Talk:Ellode Sri Lakshmi Adinarayana Swamy Temple

Per suggestion I added the following info under See section of Chikballapur: Ellode Sri Lakshmi Adinarayana Swamy Temple resides on top of the hill of Ellode, Gudibhanda Taluk, Chikballapur district. It is believed that the idol of Sri Lakshmi Adinarayana Swamy Temple is self originated. This holy temple has its existence since ancient times (over 1000 years). The Lord is sitting on top of Kurma giri (tortoise shaped hill). The 618 steps climb has greenery on either side. The scenic beauty, lake and greenery all around is a real feast to the eyes. The temple is well connected through the National Highway 7 (NH7) from Bangalore to Hyderabad, with a deviation of just 3 kms before Bagepally. Ellode is around 120 kms from Bangalore, the capital of Karnataka.


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Talk:Ellora

Is this an article?
Can you sleep there? Or should it be redirected to Aurangabad? -- (WT-en) Jonboy 12:43, 5 July 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Ellsworth (Maine)

History
Wow, that's a lot of history. I'm not sure if that much detail is useful in a travel guide. Could we cut it back to a paragraph or two? There is a link to Wikipedia for those wishing an encyclopedic treatment. (WT-en) Maj 22:01, 5 February 2007 (EST)

Reducing HISTORY of Ellsworth, Maine
Hi Maj

Just found your comment, and agree. In fact, I cut ALL the Ellsworth, Maine history out after I updated the Wikipedia entry. However, one of the regulars reverted it!

Now I realise that the editor probably didn't realise that I was the one who wrote the history in the first place, and thought my cut was vadalism.

I've just cut out part of the history and will re-think the rest over the next few days. Now that I understand Wikivoyage better, I can see that this sort of history detail is unnecessary for travellers.

I also learned to enter the appropriate link to direct people from Wikivoyage to Wikipedia.

BTW, Ellsworth, Maine is my hometown -- even though I now live on the other side of the earth!

Thanks for your polite feedback. It's much appreciated.

(WT-en) Pjmpjm7 18:28, 18 February 2007 (EST)

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Talk:El Malpais National Monument

Characteristic image
I uploaded an image of La Ventana. While the structure is nice (and I think the image is nice as well), it's rather uncharacteristic of the monument itself. The arch is on the side of the main area, which is mostly a vast expanse of black rocks. I'll see if I have a more characteristic picture to put up in place of this one. Anyone opposed to the idea of having two? (WT-en) Charles 20:05, 13 November 2006 (EST)

 * Having a couple of images is fine - see Project:Image policy, which pretty much states that multiple images are fine so long as they are used to create a travel guide, and not a photo gallery. As to the park being "mostly a vast expanse of black rocks", I think many people think of the caves or La Ventana or even some of the forested hiking areas just as much as the lava fields when they think of El Malpais.  There is quite a bit of black rock there, too, and if you've got a good picture that would work, although black rock isn't always the most interesting subject for photos... -- (WT-en) Ryan 20:33, 13 November 2006 (EST)

 * I've added a second image I had (not quite pleased, there's a small misalignment in the panorama), which I think may be ok. I'm not sure how to arrange the page with both of them or if both should stay. I'm not quite sure as to whether the second image should stay.(WT-en) Charles 20:50, 13 November 2006 (EST)

 * I like the panoramic, but I think it needs to be bigger to work. I also moved the picture of La Ventana down to the "See" section where the arch is mentioned - hopefully the changes I made look OK to you, otherwise feel free to revert. -- (WT-en) Ryan 20:55, 13 November 2006 (EST)

 * Looks good. I was trying different layouts at the same time as you were doing your modifications and we ended up (with the image sizes within 50px) at the same result!(WT-en) Charles 20:59, 13 November 2006 (EST)

Feedback
This looks very good, Ryan. I don't know El Malpais all that well -- went caving there years ago (unexpectedly helping fight a forest fire while I was at it!) and did a little surface stuff, but really not that much. But what you wrote is consistent with what I do know. It's well structured and descriptive yet terse.

One thing: You may give Grants a little too much credit. It's an old uranium boom town that has fallen on hard times, although things are a little better there now than 15 years ago. The capacity to pick up "everything a traveler could want" may have existed in the 1970s, but I'm dubious now. I'll make some minor modifications when I get a minute.

Anyway, good work. (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:28, 26 Aug 2005 (EDT)

 * Thanks for the comments. My outlook on Grants is probably skewed by the fact that I had been camping prior to arriving there, and it was the first place in a while I'd see with more than one hotel and gas station.  When I get a chance I need to update the El Malpais article with some backcountry info from nps.gov, unless someone beats me to it... -- (WT-en) Wrh2 11:57, 13 Sep 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:El Mirador

For a discussion of how to get to El Mirador see: http://www.mostlymaya.com/Miradorlogis.html

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Talk:El Nido

I rolled back extensive changes to this page. I did some careful review, and I don't think I lost any actual information. It seemed like the only added data was some editorial comments at the top; removing the listings tags and reverting to plain text; and adding links to a third-party Web site. I'd appreciate some review. --(WT-en) Evan 08:46, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Rollback
I rolled back a change to almost every phone number, Web address, and email address on the page. It strikes me as unlikely that they were all in error, and I suspect vandalism. --(WT-en) Evan 06:50, 22 January 2008 (EST)

Ewdm dot net
An anonymous user changed a significant number of URLs on this page to point to ewdm dot net. A bit of googling turns up a number of tripadvisor forum postings that accuse this site of some very sketchy behavior, so I've reverted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:24, 29 December 2008 (EST)

 * We now have a warning box saying ewdm dot net is a scam site. Searching on the name indicates it may well have been; there are plenty of complaints about the site. Also, it is on our spam block list. To me, checking now, the site appears to be down, so I'm inclined to remove the warning.
 * However, I'm in China and cannot be sure it is not just being blocked by the Great Firewall. Could someone else please check, and remove the warning if the site is dead? (WT-en) Pashley 06:58, 26 May 2011 (EDT)

 * That URL times out for me when connecting from Los Angeles, so it does appear to be gone, at least for now. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:59, 26 May 2011 (EDT)

Article status
Is the article now eligible for an upgrade to being a Usable article? :). Have a nice day. -(WT-en) SnappyHip 14:45, 26 February 2010 (GST)

the map
I don't understand this map at all. As far as I can work out El Nido is on the northern tip of Palawan, but the map makes El Nido look like an island. Can someone clarify, correct, or come up with a new map? (WT-en) Shep 01:45, 20 February 2011 (EST)

 * I removed it for now, it's incorrect and confusing. Here's the link in case anyone needs it for reference later: Image:Elnido-map.png – cacahuate   talk 12:10, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:El Paso

Buy
I've heard that El Paso is one of the best places in the country to pick-up Western wear. Anybody know about this?

Western Wear
El Paso is considered the Boot Capital of the World. There are number of retailers including Tony Lama Boots, Cowtown Boots, Caboots, Starr Western Wear, and Lucchese Boots. All of these have websites as well as locations in El Paso and all sell boots, hats, and a wide variety of western attire and accessories. You absolutely cannot leave El Paso without at least a hat or a pair of boots.

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Talk:El Peru

I'm not sure if this site is large enough to have its own article or if it should be attached to a city article (Flores?) instead. --(WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 21:22, 3 March 2006 (EST)

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Talk:El Rosario

I blanked the contents of this page; it was copied from another Web site. --(WT-en) Evan 08:12, 30 July 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:El Salvador

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:El Salvador/CIA World Factbook 2002 import. -- (WT-en) Huttite 02:56, 28 Mar 2005 (EST)

Copyright violation
I am deleting the text currently under "Other Destinations" as it is an (as far as we know) an unauthorized reproduction of copyrighted material from http://www.discovercentralamerica.com/country.html?country=elsalvador

Pictures - do they stay?
So there have been several requests (Talk:Main_Page) of the uploader to give better copyright notice on the pictures, but that hasn't happened. So, while I don't know that they are copyrighted images, I also don't know that they aren't - what next? Do we remove them? -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 09:54, 5 Dec 2005 (EST)
 * I googled for images of Santa Ana Cathedral and it appears that the same photo now on WikiTravel has been deleted on 29 Oct from the Wikipedia article on Santa Ana. Maybe there is a clue why... (WT-en) Rmx 12:38, 5 Dec 2005 (EST)
 * I'm pretty sure the cathedral image is copyrighted because I saw it in a Salvadoran newspaper's website some time ago. So I'm removing them from the page and puting new pictures. Could someone delete them? Thanks. (WT-en) Guanaco152003 19:54, 31 May 2006 (EDT)
 * I found the sources of the Sta. Ana and Tazumal photos, and tagged them as copyright violations. I haven't found the sources of the other two, but given the unreliability of the contributor's licensing statements, and the fact that they aren't really great travel photos, I'll put them up for deletion. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 20:20, 31 May 2006 (EDT)

Wikipedia article
I rolled back an addition from the Wikipedia article. --(WT-en) Evan 19:39, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)

Sleep
The hotels should be listed under the city articles where they are located, not on the main country page. Can someone in the know do this? Thanks. (WT-en) WindHorse 20 Feb 06

 * This seems to be a little out of control. Most seem to be dual-listed anyway.  May be time for a clean out.  --(WT-en) inas 02:47, 23 September 2009 (EDT)

Crime
I keep adding verifiable information about El Salvador's high crime rate and someone keeps removing it in favor of vaguely positive statements without any external sources. 68.191.144.82 13:39, 8 December 2006 (EST)

Regions
I am thinking it does not really need any, but we do have 11 cities listed which says otherwise. Any ideas? Perhaps a straightforward coast and interior split?--(WT-en) Burmesedays 00:01, 25 April 2010 (EDT)

 * I'm torn between that and an east-west split. If anything, I lean towards east-west, because I think travelers usually base themselves either in the capital or a beach resort/town and then explore nearby areas, and because of the way the country is oriented. Also, it doesn't have the sort of interior natural attractions of most countries in the area, because the rainforest has been chopped down. For the split, I would put the department of San Vicente and everything east of it in the Eastern El Salvador region. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 11:20, 25 April 2010 (EDT)

 * Looking again, I think you are right. The inland regions have been razed, leaving little of natural interest for any visitor. East/West makes sense, and I will proceed on that basis.

I am not sure that you are writing from the perspective of the local population. I seem to remember that El Salvador is divided into three regions: Oriente, Central, and Occidental. (Orient, Central, and Occidental)

 * Which departments would go in which of those regions? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 01:19, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

 * Ditto The regions are Oriental (Eastern), Central (Central) and Occidental (Western). Eastern departments are: San Miguel, Morazán, La Unión and Usulután. Western departments are: Santa Ana, Ahuachapán and Sonsonate. Central departments are: Chalatenango, San Salvador, Cuscatlán, Cabañaas, La Paz, San Vicente and La Libertad --190.62.129.116 12:57, 8 December 2011 (EST)

Might we wish to add Lempira, Quetzal and/or Cordoba in the currency conversion?
They may not be commonly used in El Salvador (and we should clearly spell out that getting rid of any cash in such currencies before leaving their country of origin is a wise course of action, but many travelers to El Salvador go on to other countries in the region afterwards. Hobbitschuster (talk) 11:41, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Currency, time and spelling conventions
Below is a proposed infobox to let readers know which formatting conventions to use in Wikivoyage articles. Do you agree with these proposals? If you have direct knowledge of what is most commonly used in the country, please let us know. Ground Zero (talk) 13:59, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * moved to the top of the page. Ground Zero (talk) 11:44, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

 * - showing prices with a $ sign alone is not good because other countries use the symbol for their currency. For example, Canadians might show up thinking they could spend some of their loonies. Or Mexicans might think it means pesos, which it does if you're in Mexico. Visitors from Europe or elsewhere would be well reminded that US$ is the preferred "official" currency and El Salvador does not issue its own currency. (And although Bitcoin is theoretically usable, it's not in reality because seriously, nobody wants to use it in commerce except for these two geeks living in their Mom's basement in Stuyvesant.) Mrkstvns (talk) 18:37, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Bitcoin
Bitcoin has fallen down like a house of cards. Is the information about it in the article all obsolete, such that the subsection should be deleted? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:44, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Elsinore

Elsinore or Helsingør
Is the town really known as "Elsinore" in English? This seems terribly anachronistic; I've been through Helsingor half a dozen times and have never heard this before. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:51, 1 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * According to both my Danish-English dictionary and Webster it is (WT-en) elgaard 22:27, 1 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * But even the official Visit Helsingor page calls it Helsingor... (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:33, 2 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * Getty gives Elsinore as the English name, and Google goes about half and half for Elsinore +Denmark and Helsingør (or Helsingor). Not much Google news to check. Webster's has "Helsingør" but not "Elsinore", and Wikipedia uses WikiPedia:Elsinore. It's a toughie, but I think Elsinore is the most common English name. --(WT-en) Evan 17:00, 18 Jan 2005 (EST)

 * Ive been in Denmark a few times, and this is the first time I've ever seen it called Elsinore. I think we should call it Helsingør to eliminate any confusion. 77.75.167.138 03:44, 3 January 2009 (EST)

 * I think it's a tough call, I know some Danes who refer to it as Elsinore in English, but I think most Danes use Helsingør when they speak English - unless they read up on Shakespeare in high school English classes. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 20:44, 3 January 2009 (EST)

Now Ƕ moved the page, without any note here, saying "Consistency with Wikipedia (and arguments about the English name there), and English-language usage in Denmark" and changing the intro to "[...] sometimes referred to using its classical English name, Elsinore."

I am reverting the change. We don't need consistency with Wikipedia, discussions on page moves should be had here, and the discussions had few participants and was more based on impressions than thorough research – that was at least my impression. I see that Visitcopenhagen uses Elsinore: The cultural pearl Elsinore in royal and historic North Zealand. Port of Elsinore also uses that name, according to the discussion on en-wp. P.T. Aufrette writes (in one of the move threads) "Elsinore seems to be an outdated form [...] that in this particular case would be used mostly in contexts of tourism promotion." Tourism promotion is quite important here, in contrast to on Wikipedia.

I have no strong opinion on the naming itself, but I want proper procedure and has not been convinced on what name should be used here.

–LPfi (talk) 10:20, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

 * I've been a geography buff since 1971 and used to have about 20 atlases before I donated all but one of them to my local library a couple of years ago. I've always known the place at Helsingør, never as Elsinore. Which name is used more often in English, such as in news reports and on maps, regardless of what tourism bureaux want to do? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:21, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

 * In the WP discussion, somebody noted that atlases often use native names (at least the atlas cited). My main concern is that moving an article without writing a single line in the discussion, just citing the WP discussion in the edit summary, should get reverted, to protect us from pass-by POV editors. If you think the Danish name is the commonly used, that's fine with me. –LPfi (talk) 08:36, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

 * In my experience, atlases published in the U.S. will show the local name (usually in Roman letters when I was collecting them) but also the English name if it's different. I think I would remember if I had ever seen Elsinore in any of the atlases. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:46, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

 * Some tourist agencies in Denmark use Elsinore to emphasize the link to Hamlet, but guides like Lonely Planet or Rough Guide use Helsingør. Few Danish people are familiar with "Elsinore", yet of course they all know "Copenhagen". Ƕ (talk) 12:52, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Elyria (Ohio)

Unreadable
Hi, everyone. This article is currently unreadable, in my opinion. In particular, "Get in" and "Get around" are so full of dense text that's mostly unimportant that the important things are either absent or get lost. One way to get in is "By plane," which should be a subtitle. Who owns the airports is of no interest to most travelers, but how to get from the airport and how long it takes are important. Similarly, a long list of all the Amtrak stops along the line is unimportant, but how long it takes to get from Cleveland (and possibly other major cities) and how long the trains run are important. In "Get around," the "By bus" subsection should not be an impenetrable list of stops, but some general description (what time of day the buses run would be salient), plus an external link to an official site with a bus map and schedules. And under "See," there should be a description of the falls. Directions are fine, but timings would be good.

I am not familiar with Elyria and would ask others' help in cleaning up this article and putting it into a form of more use to travelers.

(WT-en) Ikan Kekek 20:31, 14 January 2012 (EST)

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Talk:Emas National Park

This page doesn't need exist. Emas National Park is completely off-limits to tourism, is for research and conservation only, and besides that, has burned down 95% last year. Not a single attraction or facility. Be warned.
 * I work at Ibama and can ratify this: research and conservation only. This page need not be improved. 200.252.135.73 15:46, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up.Texugo (talk) 15:48, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Embrun (Ontario)

Comments
I changed this guide's status from outline to usable. Does anyone have any objections to this promotions? In my opinion its more than just an outline now. (WT-en) EmbrunOntario 14:41, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

 * It looks like the "Drink" section was removed, so that should be restored (it goes after "Eat"), and it might be better to include the "Talk" information under "Understand" instead of under its own heading, but otherwise it looks good and is definitely usable. Nice job! -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:44, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

 * I removed the "drink" section because there is absolutely nothing in Embrun that can fall under the criteria of that section, so it would be pointless to have that in this travel guide.(WT-en) EmbrunOntario 15:15, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

 * I'd leave it there for a while until you're sure of that. Bars, movie theatres, drama companies, pool halls, bowling, etc. all fit into this category.  Are you sure there's nothing? -- (WT-en) Colin 15:19, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Oh, I didn't realize bowling fits under that category. I guess I'll put the Embrun Bowling Alley under 'Drink'. (WT-en) EmbrunOntario 15:26, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

 * It's a bit counterintuitive. Thanks for your great work! -- (WT-en) Colin 16:02, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Even for places where there is no nightlife it's useful to leave the section with a note that says something to the effect of "There are no bars, nightclubs or taverns in Embrun." Otherwise people may simply wonder if the section was accidentally left out.  A similar example is the "Sleep" section, which is included in all city articles on Wikivoyage (including towns with no lodging options) since it's useful to know that a town has nowhere for visitors to stay. -- (WT-en) Ryan 15:36, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

 * Thanks for the tip.(WT-en) EmbrunOntario 15:39, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

Wow
This article is going great! I'm really amazed. Two things I'd suggest: first, if you can get a Windows Metafile, Adobe Illustrator file, or some other drawing program, upload that file as well as the PNG. It'll make it a lot easier for other people to work on the map.

Second, it may be worthwhile to do fr:Embrun (Ontario), a French version on French Wikivoyage.

Anyways, great job and keep up the good work. --(WT-en) Evan 21:08, 17 August 2006 (EDT)

 * I can't say I speak French good enough to a make an edition of this article on the French Wikivoyage, but I can definitely say that quite a few visitors to Embrun are going to be French-speaking, so I understand a need for this article in French. Is there a way to request a translation? And about the map, I'm currently working on a standard Wikivoyage map based on the instructions at Mapmaking expedition using Inkscape, and I've made quite a bit of progress. --(WT-en) EmbrunOntario 17:43, 19 August 2006 (EDT)

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Talk:Embu das Artes

Embu das Artes
The history of Embu began in 1554, when a group of Jesuits of the aldeamento of Bohi, later M'Boy, half way between the sea and the São Paulo mainland. As the jesuít missions in the interior of Brazil then, this had objective missionaries and intended to catequisar the local indians, using the advantage to use the Indians for farming in the region.

In 1607 the lands of the village passed to the hands of Fernão Dias (uncle of the bandeirante Fernão Dias, the emerald hunter), In 1690, the priest Belchior de Pontes initiated the construction of the Igreja do Rosário (the Church of the Rosary), when it transferred at the same time to the nucleus of the original village. In 1760, for order of the Portuguese Crown (Coroa Portuguesa), the Jesuits were expulsed from Brazil.

The artistic vocation of the city started to project itself in 1937, when Cássio M'Boy, santeiro of Embu, gained first in the Great Prize in the International Exposition of Arts Techniques in Paris. Already before, however, Cássio was professor of some artists and received his illustrious house representative of the Modernistic movement of 1922 and the arts in São Paulo, including Anita Malfatti, Tarsila do Amaral, Oswald de Andrade, Menotti Del Picchia, Volpi and Yoshio Takaoka.

Cássio M'Boy followed Sakai de Embu, that it started for being disciple of Cássio and internationally came to be recognized as one of the great Brazilian ceramist-sculptors. Sakai formed a group of plastic artists, which belongs to the Solano Trindade.

This began in Embu in 1962 and brings obtains the african culture, congregating a group of artists in its redor, and introducing the tradition of orisha.

The artistic tradition of the city is institutionalized and gained projects inside and outside of Brazil in 1964. Parallel, from the late-1960s, that all display its works, giving origin to the Feira de Artes and Artesanato, it brought through every weekend since 1969 and is one of the main engines of the tourist project of the city.

more info

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Talk:Emeishan National Park

Could someone pls add the following info to the article

http://www.ems517.com/foreign/english/

as my pc is very slow and not working very well at the moment

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Talk:Emeryville

Nice start! (WT-en) Majnoona 22:41, 19 Jan 2004 (EST)

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Talk:Empire Builder

Redundant?
Is this article and California Zephyr important enough to justify being separate articles or should they rather be merged with Rail travel in the United States ? --(WT-en) Nick 15:56, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

 * Well, I was about to ask a similar question. Mind you, I think this is one of the most fascinating rail routes in the world and one of my most desire trips to take, but I think it could either be blended in with Rail travel in the United States or a standalone itinerary. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 16:00, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Empty Quarter

There is an Aramco compound in the Saudi section of the Empty Quarter with proven oil reserves. It is false to say that "there is not even oil" there.

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Talk:Emsworth

Apologies for the uncalled for editing, other people using the computer. Restored.

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Talk:Encarnación

''This page is for discussing the corresponding article or guide. For more about using talk pages check out Project:Using talk pages.''

Comments
On a bit of a mission to improve information on Paraguay. Feel free to ask me any questions or suggest ways in which I can do better on these pages...I'm quite new to in-depth wiki editing. --(WT-en) hammrocks 22:26, 28 March 2012 (EDT)

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Talk:Encinitas

Great start! (WT-en) Majnoona 10:31, 26 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Health
I removed the following tidbit from the guide. Somebody is (justifiably) proud of their local ortho med center, but I'm not sure this is the level of detail we need for a travel guide. --(WT-en) Evan 21:45, 30 November 2006 (EST)

 * Encinitas is the home of the CORE Orthopaedic Medical Center, which has eight sub-specialty trained surgeons, we have two physician's assistants, and an acupuncturist devoted to providing our patients with quality care.

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Talk:Endau Rompin National Park

Virtual Tourist
The current text is a direct copy from http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/62069/, but it appears that the author of both is the same. Do we need confirmation? -- (WT-en) Wrh2 01:18, 13 Sep 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:Engadin

Hey, great start, but rather than just say "see the regional pages" for each section, it would be nice to have an overview and/or some hightlights. For example, which is the best region to stay in? Which region has the best food or attractions? Are some regions easier or harder to get to? This sort of thing will help introduce the area and point folks in the right direction. HTH! (WT-en) Majnoona 09:58, 26 March 2006 (EST)

Re-Organisation
I think that the Engadine region needs some re naming. The list of regions in the Graubunden article states the it is not Engadine,but Inn for lower engadine and Maloja for upper engadine. I have redirected these pages into the engadine article, however this really needs splitting into Inn and Maloja.(WT-en) HJ.Phillips94 14:40, 26 February 2009 (EST) P.S I think that an Engadine article can still exist, yet should have 'sub-regions' of maloja and inn.

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Talk:England

Rollback
I just rolled back the most recent edits by User:82.3.96.145, because the content was copied from Wikitravel (legal but strongly discouraged for obvious reasons) and copyrighted websites (illegal). ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:01, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:England/OfficialRegions

Below are the official definitions of English Regions, as taken from the 'Regional Development Agencies Act 1998'. I do not necessarily think we should adopt these regional definitions; they are neither well-known locally nor do they have much relevance to travel or tourism. However knowledge of them may be useful where there are judgement calls to make. -- (WT-en) Chris j wood 13:13, 19 Jul 2004 (EDT)

East Midlands
The counties of Derbyshire, Leicestershire, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire and Nottinghamshire The non-metropolitan districts of Derby, Leicester, Nottingham and Rutland

Eastern
The counties of Bedfordshire, Cambridgeshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Norfolk and Suffolk The non-metropolitan districts of Luton, Peterborough, Southend-on-Sea and Thurrock

London
Greater London

North East
The counties of Durham and Northumberland The metropolitan districts of Gateshead, Newcastle upon Tyne, North Tyneside, South Tyneside and Sunderland The non-metropolitan districts of Darlington, Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Redcar and Cleveland and Stockton-on-Tees

North West
The counties of Cheshire, Cumbria and Lancashire The metropolitan districts of Bolton, Bury, Knowsley, Liverpool, Manchester, Oldham, Rochdale, St. Helens, Salford, Sefton, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford, Wigan and Wirral The non-metropolitan districts of Blackburn with Darwen, Blackpool, Halton and Warrington

South East
The counties of Buckinghamshire, East Sussex, Hampshire, Isle of Wight, Kent, Oxfordshire, Surrey and West Sussex The non-metropolitan districts of Bracknell Forest, Brighton and Hove, the Medway Towns, Milton Keynes, Portsmouth, Reading, Slough, Southampton, West Berkshire, Windsor and Maidenhead and Wokingham

South West
The counties of Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, Gloucestershire, Somerset and Wiltshire The non-metropolitan districts of Bath and North East Somerset, Bournemouth, Bristol, North Somerset, Plymouth, Poole, South Gloucestershire, Swindon and Torbay The Isles of Scilly

West Midlands
The counties of Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire and Worcestershire The metropolitan districts of Birmingham, Coventry, Dudley, Sandwell, Solihull, Walsall and Wolverhampton The non-metropolitan districts of Herefordshire, Stoke-on-Trent and Telford and Wrekin

Yorkshire and the Humber
The county of North Yorkshire The metropolitan districts of Barnsley, Bradford, Calderdale, Doncaster, Kirklees, Leeds, Rotherham, Sheffield and Wakefield The non-metropolitan districts of the East Riding of Yorkshire, Kingston upon Hull, North East Lincolnshire, North Lincolnshire and York

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Talk:Ennis

charlie stewarts ??? real place or fake? anyway should be bolded with a phone number. --72.73.77.80 08:31, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Enniskillen

major town in Co fermanagh, located near the Marble arch caves and Lough erne for boating

Eat listings with no descriptions
The eat listings are next to useless without any indication as to where they are located or may be contacted. I have move to this section for reference Andrewssi2 (talk) 07:21, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

 * The listings were put back in by User:101.98.153.73 and they have proven unresponsive to my suggestions so far.
 * Since they are still actively working on this article, it is worth to see if they will create proper listings. If not in the next few days then I will just delete again. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:23, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

 * The drink listings have been given addresses but the eat listings are still not sufficient. Will leave a couple of days then delete. Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:54, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

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For "pub grub" there are a number of bars within the town that offer good for services:
 * Pats Bar
 * Bush Bar
 * JD Wetherspoons (One of the well known English chain Pubs)
 * Crowes Nest

There are also a large number retaurants and cafes around the town the pick of them being;
 * Cafe Merlot (Contemporary European style food)
 * Dolakis (A Greek restaurant, very good quality)
 * Kamal Mahals (An Indian restaurant which offers an all you can eat buffet from 12 noon to 3pm)
 * Ruby Palace (A Chinese restaurant)
 * Dragon Palace (A Chinese restaurant)
 * Saddlers
 * Scoffs
 * L'Italia
 * Golden Arrow
 * Kennys

Drink listings with no descriptions
Same for drink listings Andrewssi2 (talk) 07:22, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

 * The following listings have been given addresses and postcodes now, so will leave Andrewssi2 (talk) 10:47, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

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 * Blakes of the Hollow (A bar complex with 3 different bar areas as well as a nightclub)
 * Pats Bar (4 bars over 2 floors and a disco area)
 * Bush Bar
 * Charlies Bar (Traditional Irish bar with disco area)
 * Crowes Nest (usually live Irish music on Tues nights)
 * The Cornerstone bar
 * Corner Bar
 * Tipplers Brook
 * Magees Pub
 * Willie Ramblers
 * JD Wetherspoons (Generally cheaper than the other bars but no entertainment)

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Talk:Enoshima

Benten Cafe vs Bay Island Pizza
Ok, this is starting to annoy me -- are there two near-identical cafes who are erasing each other's listings, or is it one place with many names? (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:14, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

Enoshima leading paragraph
I think the first paragraph needs to convey that Enoshima includes the seaside town AND the island which is a major tourist attraction (would be most foreigner's only reason for coming to Enoshima). By the way, "shima" means island (therefore Enoshima means "eno" island) so the seaside town was "secondary" to the island. this is particularly confusing if/when reading "Get around" section: "Most places in Enoshima are easily reachable on foot. However, there are high slopes and hills in Enoshima. It will be hard to get around on foot for elderly. In that case, you better take an Escalator called Enoshima Escar for easier trip. It costs only ¥ 300 to go up (you'll need to walk downstairs to go back down), open 9:00~17:00." (this all refers to the island itself particularly the escalators）. My problem is that the lead paragraph appears to not be "edittable" so I can't change. Furthur, I think it's fine to leave the "seaside" description as (secondary) part of description. thanks! (WT-en) Blue cannonball splash 00:55, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

 * Click the "Edit" link in the tab "above" the page to edit the whole thing at once. I took a first stab. (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:14, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

Wow! That edit & response was fast! I couldn't believe my eyes...and a fine first stab. Also thanks for the "edit how-to". (WT-en) Blue cannonball splash 01:19, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

From Shared
Someone misplaced some Enoshima information on Shared. I'll leave it here, in case someone wants to put it in the article. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 07:47, 11 November 2009 (EST)

Enoshima(It's next to TOKYO,in Kanagawa)

Enoshima has a beach. This area is called Shounan beach. It famous for Enoshima shrine, Enoshima aquarium.

＜Get in＞ You can take the Odakyu line from Shinjku to Fujisawa.(54minutes via kaisoku-kyuko),then change onto the rattling old Enoden.

＜See＞ Enoshima has a lot of traditional things.There are some famous temples　and shrines. Enoshima shrine is the most famous. Enoshima shrine is called Enoshima-jinja. The shrine at the top of Enoshima 2 chome have an all seeing turtle painted on the cailing.

＜Eat＞ Enoshima is famous for seafood island. For example, wakame(soft seaweed),shirasu(white sanbar It's the smallest fish)and so on. One of the famous dishes is called shirasu-don.It's a small raw fish on top of rice. Some people take soy sause on the top of shirasu-don.It's the best delicious way how to eat shirasu-don.

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Talk:Ensenada

Anybody know of some good hikes they would care to add to this page? Something with a good view/lookout point ideally... --71.243.220.122 00:02, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Ephesus

Slippery Slope?
I removed the following from the main page. It appears to me that this is a slippery slope.

--

It will be a good idea to contact with a travel agency for transport and accommodation before your trip. See Peron Tour or TransBalkan. For an English speaking guide contact with [mailto:mka1881@hotmail.com Denizhan].

--

(WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 08:34, 31 December 2006 (EST) -

Tours
LOcal tour operators are allowed on Wikivoyage, but not consolidates reselling local tours through a web site. For local tour operators please include local contact details, address & phone. --(WT-en) Inas 16:33, 5 March 2009 (EST)

Celsus or Celsius
In Wikipedia, it is Celsus. The caption on the picture here shows Celsius. Which is it? Grandpa jlc (talk) 18:08, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I guess you are right on the issue of the lack of an i. But some Turkish governmental websites ( — click on the "eye" with the 'more information' caption below; — this one is only in Turkish, scroll down to near its bottom) disagree with Wikipedia on whether it's written with an s or a c in the beginning of its second syllable. I don't care enough to go on changing, though, as it's sufficiently clear which building is meant whether it's written in this way or on the other. Vidimian (talk) 14:39, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Vienna museum with an Ephesos collection
Pashley (talk) 12:40, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Epsom

I think the whole Get in: section needs an overhaul. There is too much detail (fascinating though some of it is), compared to the rest of the article. I will attempt to condense the road and rail information later this week, unless anyone objects. (WT-en) Jnich99 04:34, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Equator

Project:What is an article?
Per policy, the Equator may not be a destination. I'd suspect that this article should either be VFD'd or redirected, although I'm not sure what an appropriate redirect would be. -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:09, 30 October 2006 (EST)

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Talk:Equatorial Guinea

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Equatorial Guinea/CIA World Factbook 2002 import. -- (WT-en) Huttite 03:03, 28 Mar 2005 (EST)

AIDS
Quick Googling finds plenty of info about AIDS in Equatorial Guinea that contradicts the "info" below, so I've cut it out for time being. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:19, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

 * AIDS The Government do not acknowledge the presence of AIDS in their country. It is an offence even to have an AIDS test.  There are lots of pretty African girls in Malabo but the doctor (no names for safety) estimates that 80+% of females over 14 are infected.

Smallpox vaccine?
"proof of smallpox, yellow fever, & cholera vaccinations." Yellow Fever, yea, but there's no way the rest of this is right. I'll continue searching, though, b/c I don't want to leave any rock unturned.

Regions
There should be just three regions: Rio Muni, Bioko, & Annobón. (WT-en) AHeneen 12:14, 22 January 2010 (EST)

 * So that's basically two islands and one region for the whole mainland country? Not saying that's wrong, just want to be clear. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:45, 22 January 2010 (EST)

 * It was my understanding that this is the way EG is divided. Rio Muni is just around 150km wide and 100km tall. However, after reading about the geography of it, there is a narrow coastal plain with about 3/4ths of Rio Muni being rolling hills and lots of valleys. Wikipedia topo map When it comes to content, I don't know that Rio Muni can be divided much, given the little information there is about it to begin with. So keeping it as one region seems fine to me. (WT-en) AHeneen 14:25, 22 January 2010 (EST)

 * Done. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 04:16, 23 January 2010 (EST)

A little contradiction here?
Here are some rare photos; why not have a look at them? --(WT-en) CurvyEthyl 20:43, 16 February 2012 (EST)

 * I saw that too...was very surprised. Not sure what is contradictory, though. The page mentions that there's a lot of oil wealth and most things are expensive. Seems similar to Luanda. Pretty easy to level slums and build fancy building when you're a filthy rich dictator...I'm fairly certain that within a couple kilometers of these pictures, you can find plenty of locals living in poverty. And that's just Malabo...from my understanding, the mainland is much more typical of the region. (WT-en) AHeneen 17:01, 18 February 2012 (EST)

Well, here's a peek at the new capital to be built. AHeneen (talk) 18:46, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

 * And now, a month later, the BBC puts out a piece touting Oyala as the future capital-under-construction. Searching the web, this seems to be the only reference to Oyala as the future capital. The only Wikipedia article is in French and labels Oyala as a University & administrative center (pôle administratif et universitaire). One source (in Spanish), published in August, calls Oyala the future capital. Another interesting one (in French) just says the city will have three purposes: university, tourism, & industrial. So I can't really figure out which of Oyala or Djibloho will be the future capital. At any rate, both are interesting projects. AHeneen (talk) 07:22, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

24h clock format
Does anybody object to consistently using our 24h clock format in Equatorial Guinea articles since that comes closest to the (Iberian) style most commonly seen in print and on signs? --W. Frankemailtalk 19:11, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I am in Malabo at the moment. I can't say I have noticed the time written in any particular format.  I have just had a look at some of the hotel paperwork and it lists times as 12h00, 17h00 for example.  So 24 hour clock makes sense to me. Davidbstanley (talk) 18:21, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I guessed you were in Malabo from your recent edits. I bet it's changed a lot since I was there in the last century. It used to be a real hell-hole.
 * Getting back on-topic, I suggest we wait a week to see if anyone has a contrary preference before making the appropriate changes. Try and keep cool! --W. Frankemailtalk 21:05, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Visas for Equatorial Guinea
I was wondering, has anyone visited Equatorial Guinea in the past?

I must say, it has the most confusing visa regulations ever and there's no clear-cut information on how to get certain documents (like the invitation letter for instance). Roovinn (talk) 03:43, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

 * I checked one embassy's website (the Equatoguinean embassy in Washington DC), and it says that you need two invitation letters: one from the authorities, and one from an entity in the country. Roovinn (talk) 03:44, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Erenhot

What are the rules about city names? --(WT-en) Henri de Solages 10:53, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

 * → Project:Article naming conventions --(WT-en) Peter Talk 12:53, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Erie

pic is a copyvio? --72.73.96.152 03:07, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Why do you think so? (WT-en) Texugo 03:26, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Usually a low resolution like that is one sign of a copyvio. In this case, though, the quality of the image isn't professional-level; I suspect it was cropped from a larger image taken with a camera at maximum zoom.  (WT-en) LtPowers 10:31, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

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Talk:Erie Canal

Initial comments
Responding to a request for comment in the pub.

Good start. One question is whether you can get out onto the Great Lakes from the Buffalo end of the canal. I find myself wondering if the history section should be shortened.

There are other canal itineraries, at least Rideau Canal and Along the Grand Canal. Do they have ideas you could use? (WT-en) Pashley 12:37, 26 July 2012 (EDT)

 * The geography is a little confusing without a map, which I hope to include at some point. The Get in/By boat section says "The canal starts just north of Buffalo between Tonawanda and North Tonawanda, where the canalized Tonawanda Creek flows into the Niagara River. It's only a mile or two downstream (north) from Lake Erie, so you have easy access from any of the upper Great Lakes..."  Is that not sufficiently clear about access to the Great Lakes?  (WT-en) LtPowers 19:03, 26 July 2012 (EDT)

 * Clear enough, I would say. History sections are always tricky. I love to be able to read up on backgrounds without being forced to head over to Wikipedia or so. However, when they are as long on WT as this one, I would ideally have (the larger part) hidden behind some kind of dropdown header, or something. I don't know if WT uses something like that though? For the rest: seems like a fine article in the making. A few things I wonder now (which you were perhaps already planning to add, but still:)
 * You write that for short trips (couple of hours) you need no permit and small boats are readily available. How about serious trips of say a week or more, if you're not coming there with your own boat? Is finding a boat just as trivial then, or would I be best of heading to a particular town? Some rough indications of rental prices are a must, I think.
 * It's an itinerary, but I can't say I have any idea now of how long it would take to complete (minimum).
 * I assume you'll include some list of recommended communities or towns along the way?
 * Do those picturesque communities have plenty of lodging options? And is it in fact safe enough to leave your boat and stay in a hotel? (WT-en) Justme 07:32, 28 July 2012 (EDT)

Bike Tours
I have concerns about [//en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Erie_Canal&type=revision&diff=3204470&oldid=3036160 these edits]. The link to gobikeerie.com seems like it might violate our policy on tours. Thoughts? Powers (talk) 00:42, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Eritrea

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Eritrea/CIA World Factbook 2002 import. -- (WT-en) Huttite 03:07, 28 Mar 2005 (EST)

 Large Space  I do hope that someone can reformat the article so that the huge gap between the top portion of the article and the bottom portion of the article may again be one. Just a thought.

Personal travel
The personal travel information seems to be from here. I'm afraid that we don't currently have a place for this type of travel content. Please see our Project:Goals and non-goals and Project:Manual of style. A note will also be placed on the contributor's home page. (WT-en) Majnoona 20:18, 1 June 2006 (EDT)

Respect section
"The Eritrean people are wonderful and generous and strong." hardly seems like an objective or useful analysis. Should probably be replaced with some actual information on Eritrean etiquette.
 * Please plunge forward and edit the text! (WT-en) Maj 08:55, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

Problem
I have a problem with the warning I mean turkmenistan North Korea Burma and many other countries place restrictions on where you can travel many of them don't have travel warnings so why Eritrea I understand Badme and the border and all that but some permit to leave the capital hardly constitutes a threat to ones safety.

 * The warning is not about the permits, it's about the near-state of war near the borders. (WT-en) Jpatokal 20:43, 19 January 2010 (EST)

I understand the near state of war but number one they don't allow you to go there any way (you can't get a permit) and the DMZ between the Korea's in almost a state of war North Korea and South Korea don't have travel warnings. I am just saying it is a bit much

Regions

Given Eritrea's large size, but small population (equal to Benin), very few cities, and next to no content on Wikivoyage (I don't think the country sees many travelers) I think two–three regions would be appropriate. I think we should treat the Dahlak Archipelago as an OD, as we are currently.

The most common way of dividing the country seems to be by Eastern Lowlands (the beach), Central Highlands (around the capital), and Western Lowlands (inland). These divisions make sense in terms of ethnicity, religion (Central is X-ian, the rest Muslim), and geography, but the western lowlands article would be practically empty. I'm inclined to be conservative and create only two articles: Coastal Eritrea and Central Eritrea. Essentially, that's just lumping the less important Western Lowlands in with the most important Central Highlands. This division is extremely simple: regions 1–4 are Central, 5–6 are Coastal. If it becomes practical to do so sometime in the future, it would be nice to separate the Central article into the traditional three.

Thoughts? --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:21, 13 March 2010 (EST)

 * Sounds good to me, and as you say, a third division later would be simple if the content ever warrants it. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 21:47, 13 March 2010 (EST)

 * Here is the map. I'll leave it up for a couple days to see if there are any objections. If not, I'll plunge. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:28, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

Deregionalise?
Category:Eritrea indicates that there are only seven destination articles categorised under Eritrea; both region articles are abysmal in terms of content. What are the downsides to merging the regions with this article? -- SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 12:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. The region articles add no value, but get in the reader's way. Ground Zero (talk) 12:22, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 7 articles don't need to be divided into different regions, agreed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:10, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅. SHB2000  (talk | contribs | meta) 03:57, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Erlian

should have own articl ppl can add do 2 help wiki travel grow

title: Talk:Erlian


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Talk:Erongarícuaro

What does this page need? How can it be improved?

title: Talk:Erongarícuaro


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Talk:Espanola

I had to set this up for disambiguation as I work on various places in New Mexico, one of which is called Española (notice the tilde). Links to the Galapagos island have been redirected to Espanola (Galapagos) -- I hope. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:21, 29 Sep 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:Espanola (Galapagos)

Disambiguation in progress, but where are the boobies?
I moved this from Espanola for disambiguation purposes. A page for the similarly named town in New Mexico, United States is under construction. Disambiguation page, and re-linking pages that link to this Galapagos-related page, shortly. Unfortunately, the picture of the blue-footed boobies seems to have disappeared. Anybody know how to fix this? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:38, 29 Sep 2005 (EDT)

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Talk:Esperanto phrasebook

Norwegian Esperanto, bork bork bork
The variant of Esperanto used in this edit looks suspiciously like Norwegian, but maybe somebody else can rescue some wheat out of the chaff... (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:50, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Long or Short?
"o always short as in porous; never long as in open"

To my ears, "porous" and "open" both use almost the exact same long sound. This description becomes ambiguous in this case. Granted, "open" tends to sound more like "ou-pen", but that isnt necessarily "long".

As for the "almost the exact same" comment, the word "porous", using the o as in the word "or", uses a middle, somewhat airy o, as in languages like Finnish (hold out that o on "or" to hear what I mean), whereas the Esperanto o is probably closer to the Spanish o, which is the same sound as in "open", just without shifting toward a u sound at the end, like English speakers tend to do in our words. 76.175.211.56 17:15, 27 July 2010 (EDT)

Usefulness and relevance for travelers
How is knowledge of Esperanto related to travel? I would be reluctant to suggest deleting this phrasebook, which people worked on, but I wouldn't have suggested starting it because I don't see the relevance or utility. Shall we also have phrasebooks in ancient languages that aren't spoken anymore? I see that there's no Latin phrasebook, and I'll bet more people know that language than Esperanto. No disrespect intended, but please show me how I'm wrong. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 01:50, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

 * This was brought up before and I was the loudest advocate against adding useless fake languages. You can read the discussion here: Talk:List_of_phrasebooks. Although most other users also agree that Esperanto has no practical use in the real world, there are a couple users who didn't want to part with it. The reasons given seem to be that Esperanto is "less silly" than other constructed languages and that created phrasebooks need not be deleted even if they serve no travel-related purpose.

 * The discussion was left there, as those in favor of Esperanto did not wish to move towards a difinitive policy formation against fabricated languages (because that would lead to the deletion of this article). (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 00:01, 18 June 2011 (EDT)

vfd?
, I'm wondering why deleting this page is "required" (to quote the edit reason you gave when you added the vfd template to the page). Didn't Wikivoyage have this discussion eight years ago (before I started editing here), as mentioned under "Usefulness and relevance for travelers" above? --Robkelk (talk) 00:29, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

 * I added the tag because someone else started a deletion discussion. I don't think deleting the page is required; in fact, I've been arguing for keeping it in the deletion discussion. If you have an opinion on whether or not the article should be deleted, I encourage you to participate in the discussion. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:35, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

 * Fair enough, and thanks for the explanation. --Robkelk (talk) 01:35, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Archive?
Last fall I recommended the Wikivoyage Esperanto phrase book to several other people as supplemental introductory instruction material. Several months later, someone went and deleted it all! Sigh. Did anyone archive this page before that happened? I found a mirror over at Internet Archive, but the original source data might be easier to use for my purposes. --Bouncey (talk) 04:40, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

 * It can be found at User:LPfi/Esperanto phrasebook. —Granger (talk · contribs) 05:18, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

 * Thanks, that was helpful. Between that and the Internet Archive copy, I should be able to do something with it.  --Bouncey (talk) 17:49, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Espiritu Santo

Santo
The Vanuatu article still lists Santo as a port town, so some clarification is needed. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:17, 26 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Hi Ryan. Thanks for the call. Actually, the original text on the Santo article also called it a town, but I scrolled through Google listings and checked WP, but the only thing 'Santo Vanuatu' threw up was the island of Espiritu Santo. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:24, 26 June 2007 (EDT)
 * I'm just thinking that perhaps the main harbor on the island is named after the island (i.e. Santo Port), rather than after the town it is located in. That would be a reasonable explanation for the listing, as I cannot find a town by the name of Santo on any of the islands. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:36, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

 * I know nothing about Vanuatu other than what my uncle and Survivor have taught me, so that may be the case. If so, we should remove the listing of "Santo" on the Vanuatu page as a port town, which based on your description seems to be the right move. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:21, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

 * I removed the reference to Santo being a port town, but kept it listed as the name of a port (until we get other info to the contrary). I also know little about the islands, except I remember seeing a survey that showed it to be the happiest place in the world. So, whether the port has an official name or not, at least they do not seem worried about it! (WT-en) WindHorse 00:59, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

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Talk:Essen

These extlinks were part of the original stub:

 * http://www.essen.de/english/essen.de_e.htm
 * http://www.germany-tourism.de/e/dest_cities_essen_e.html

I haven't checked them to see if they're appropriate. --(WT-en) Evan 12:57, 3 Dec 2004 (EST)

Sleep
The sleep listings need a bit of work to bring them into our House Style. For example, I really don't think the a full list of all the S- and U-Bahns you can take to get there are neccessary (especially for the Hauptbahnhof). Just list the nearest station and whether it is an S or a U. Same goes for what types of credit card are accepted (as much as this is a rare thing in Germany). Any can feel free to plunge forward. -- (WT-en) Brendio 16:36, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * Dude, I agree with you in principle, but please take a look at the page history-- there was waaaaaay too much info in almost every section. I edited it down as much as I could while trying to preserve at least some of the orginal contribution. I do disagree re: credit cards. If, as you say they are a rare thing in Germany than it does make sense to note what's accepted where (Americans, for example, often assume they can get by with little or no cash). Danke! (WT-en) Majnoona 17:52, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)

 * I disagree with credit cards being rarely accepted in Germany. You can see the list itself, 90% of the restaurant/hotels accept them. I would recommend to remove all these accepted credit cards list and instead only put a note for the hotel/restaurant which do not accept them. In addition, there are lots of ATMs in Germany where people can easily withdraw cash in case the place does not accept credit cards. (WT-en) sixzilly 06:22, 19 June 2006 (EDT)

 * I agree with (WT-en) sixzilly, it's very common in Germany to pay hotels etc with credit cards. The only exception are small amounts (below 40 Euro), where it's usual to pay cash. Compared to America, few Germans have a credit card but that's due to the high costs. I will write a comment on the Germany page. (WT-en) Jan 06:37, 19 June 2006 (EDT)

 * So, I deleted some entries on credit cards now. I also think the (too much) info on public transport should also be deleted. Anyone who disagree, please discuss here. (WT-en) sixzilly 15:56, 24 June 2006 (EDT)

Spa and Massage in Essen - edited out?
Please check the section in Cologne. It's quite common that people like to enjoy a spa or a massage while traveling and the practice located in Essen. I added it again. After all, people do not only spend time eating, drinking and spleeping. Unsigned edit as of 00:09, 25 June 2006 by 80.139.213.137

 * Hi 80.139.213.137, IMHO your comparison between Cologne and Essen doesn't work. In contrast to the other spa offers, the label "AYELLA Tantra & Wellness Massages" has clearly a sexual touch; as Wikivoyage is directed to foreigners, this could be seen as inviting sex tourists. And that is not the aim of Wikivoyage Project:Sex_tourism_policy. --(WT-en) Túrelio 10:47, 25 June 2006 (EDT)

 * Hi, I see a clear difference to prostitution! The website clearly states that there is not sex offered. However I can see that it's not the same as other massages. I think the general section is useful.  80.139.235.9 14:39, 25 June 2006 (EDT)

 * I don't know what you mean with "general section". I propose to leave the entry in the SPA section, but take out the words "Tantra & Wellness" or "Tantra & Wellness Massages". Thereby, that entry would be similar to the others. --(WT-en) Túrelio 16:02, 25 June 2006 (EDT)

title: Talk:Essen


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Talk:Esterillos

Changes - Esterillos

So I am just trying to add some more detail to the Esterillos page with some links to some locals bars and restaurants that I know. I also removed a hotel/B&B name that had no link, next time I will leave the info there without a link. How do you propose that I can make changes / additions without my changes getting reverted all the time. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Firestormo (talk • contribs)

 * I did revert these changes too hastily (I mistakenly identified takemetocostarica.com as a rental aggregator). I've now restored your edits and cleaned them up per Project:Manual of style. The main thing to avoid is flowery advertisement-style writing (see Project:Don't tout). When I see that, I tend to revert pretty quickly. Also take a look at Project:External links. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:45, 9 December 2008 (EST)

title: Talk:Esterillos


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Talk:Estonia

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Estonia/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.

Health and safety - ticks?
Should something be added about ticks? They're a real problem and one that travellers might want to be aware of, especially with all the talk about enjoying the forests and wild nature. (WT-en) Mustikas 03:32, 12 May 2012 (EDT)

 * Definitely. Please plunge forward and write a warning and useful precautions to take. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 03:33, 12 May 2012 (EDT)

Canada
I heard that Canadians are not "blacklisted" from the list of favoured nations for residing in Estonia for some time. Would be good if someone could check this.

 * Years ago there was a problem with Canada causing displease in Estonia, partly because of treatment, if I remember correctly, of our president during unofficial trip to this American nation visiting local Estonian community. Sharp words were spoken by him them also. I don't know if Canada - at least as NATO ally and perhaps greatest 2 World War refuge - was since restored in its rightful position. This seems likely. But personally, I am not going to start looking for more up-to-date information. Please do it yourself and make corrections if necessary.    (WT-en) Bete

Fixed to the Euro?
How could the Estonian currency be fixed to the Euro since 1993, since (I think) the Euro is not that old? --(WT-en) Jonboy 08:15, 6 May 2007 (EDT)

 * IIRC it was briefly fixed to the German mark, and then migrated to use the euro currency basket even before it became a physical currency. (WT-en) Jpatokal 19:12, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Thanks. That's what Wikipedia indicates, though the date is implied to be 1992.  I'll change the article to clear it up. --(WT-en) Jonboy 09:04, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

 * The Kroon was pegged to the EMU. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 213.35.235.92 (talk • contribs) 20 Sep 2007

Respect
Sektsioon "Respect" on rõve ja ebameeldiv, paatoslik ning nilbe ja lipitsev (enda ees!) propaganda, mis tuleb kiiremas korras ümber kirjutada. The section "Respect" is exaggerated propaganda which should be re-written.

 * Plunge forward! (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:25, 3 July 2009 (EDT)

Mismatch between sections "talk" and "understand" in 18.04.2022 Talk - "There is a large Slavic minority, particularly Russians, about 30%, and Ukrainians, about 4.3%, living in Estonia in 2019." Understand - "Even though Estonia is a member of the European Union, it is not a popular destination for immigrants and the country as a whole is very homogeneous" Last time saw this some years back but with other type of mismatch but basically the same so tried to correct it but this was reversed/adjusted and now back in square one. Most Estonian residents are Estonians as an ethnic group but issue be derived from (false) understanding of Estonians including all residents of Estonia since end of Soviet occupation. Also since joining EU 2004, Estonia has been increasingly favoured by immigrants and last decade, the population rise in some years can be attributed to this. Check details from Estonian statistics office or Eurostats. Doubt if the goal of this spread fake news so will adjust the "Understand" section so it will match better with the "Talk". —The preceding comment was added by 91.236.129.5 (talk • contribs)

 * Lots of articles have very old information that has not been updated. Just plunge forward and edit anything that you don't think will be controversial. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:04, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Regions
I think 15 provinces is too much for a country as small as Estonia. Any ideas for sensible regions? (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:04, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

→ http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Maps_of_NUTS_of_Estonia ? Execept in might be an idea to treat Saaremaa and Hiiuma as seperate regions from western estonia. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 12:24, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

I propose to use just 4: North & Tallinn, East, South, West & The Islands. That's how Estonian Tourism Board sees Estonia so - cultural-wise it makes sense to me too. East could also be included in North. --(WT-en) Visitestonia

 * seems good to me, could you mash up a quick map (e.g. with google maps or your favourite drawing program) on where the borders should be, then I think we should be able to produce a WT style map fairly quickly. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 10:40, 5 November 2009 (EST)

 * Looks right to me (although I don't know the country beyond Tallinn & Narva). If the boundaries would align with the counties (Maakonnad?), you could just list which ones belong in which regions, to allow us to start on the map. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:08, 5 November 2009 (EST)

 * This one is fairly accurate - the only thing is that "center" should be included in North and that's it. --(WT-en) Visitestonia

 * I cleaned up the regions, cities and ODs lists. I don't know the country very well, so if I caught a mistake, just fix it. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 13:46, 26 May 2010 (EDT)

Image
Picture of the day on Commons is an Estonian image. Nice photo, but is it useful here? Pashley (talk)

 * I don't know.

 * Here's another beautiful Picture of the Day: Hommik laukaserval, Endla LK.jpg

 * I'm not sure what part of Estonia the reserve is in. From the looks of the map in Endla Nature Reserve, it is probably in what we're calling North Estonia, but it might be in South Estonia. The Wikipedia article says it's in central Estonia, a region not recognized on our map. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:31, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

 * According to Google maps Endla is located on the border of Jõgeva, Lääne-Viru and Järva counties. In our region division Jõgeva is in South Estonia and Lääne-Viru and Järva in North, so the picture could be put in either North or South.
 * I've also noticed that there have recently been many (incredibly pretty) pictures from Estonia as the picture of the day, and they're not by one but by several different photographers. It's almost tempting to make WP-style galleries in our guides for Estonian destinations. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:32, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * We could certainly add images to Estonian regional articles, which have none, and there is room for more photos in the Estonia article itself. I don't like galleries, though. Too many small photos. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:52, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

E-citizens?
This story looks worth mentioning: E-citizens unite: Estonia opens its digital borders Pashley (talk) 00:45, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Proper time formatting: 13:30 not 1:30PM
Since the proper time formatting in Estonia is like 13:30, I will plunge forward and convert all remaining AM and PM times to the proper format, as proposed in Time and date formats.

Thanks for reading, Ceever (talk) 19:16, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Please do. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:31, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

"Other destinations"
There should be no more than 9, per 7+2. If China can be limited to 9, I don't see a good argument for not limiting Estonia to 9. Here's the current list:

National Parks

 * – On the coast within an hour east (50 km) of Tallinn. Given its size it is the largest park in Estonia and one of Europe's biggest national parks, with 1,000 km2 of bogs, trails, and forests.
 * – The second largest national park in Estonia, famous for its "fifth season". A peat bog formed from a glacier melt from around 11,000 years ago.
 * – One of the largest and most important autumn stopping grounds for migratory birds in Europe. Excellent for birdwatchers, due it is rich ornithological species.
 * – Rich in marine fauna, and international bird sanctuary with over 250 recorded bird species, on the west coast of Saaremaa. Covers 238 km2, including 163 km2 of sea and 75 km2 of land, plus 160 islands and islets.
 * – The hilly landscapes of Southern Estonia. Estonian’s smallest national park between Valga and Võru.
 * – The Newest national park that covers a sparsly populated area in Northeastern Estonia that is south from towns like Jõhvi and Narva. This park was created in order to protect last few habitats of flying squirrels in Estonia itself.
 * } – Part of the Otepää recreational region with an area beyond 3,000 km². Trails along the lake and paths in the hilly forests.
 * – A 5 km hike and wooden trail with an observation platform in the middle of the swamps.

Islands

 * – The largest Estonian and wild seaside character island with castles and fortresses, one perfectly preserved, a beach, a spa and famous mills. Saaremaa is even sometimes called Sparemaa. Furthermore, the island is surrounded by a myriad of tiny islands including Abruka with its nudist camps.
 * – The second largest Estonian island. Popular for its lighthouses, ancient churches, historical values and the sense of humour of its inhabitants, but scarcely populated. In winter, it can sometimes be reached by car via an ice bridge on the Baltic Sea.
 * – The southernmost group of islands, Kihnu, is on the UNESCO World Heritage List. Cosy and warm yet exotic – folk costumes are worn here every day and the handicraft of older generations remains highly valued.
 * – The third largest Estonian island, and a rural municipality connected to the nearby Saaremaa by an artificial embankment, where ferries to the harbour of Virtsu arrive. Has an open air museum, and its locals are known for still sewing woollen clothes. Sleepy fishing villages, working windmills, thatched cottages, plenty of deer, moose and birds.
 * – The communal territory corresponds to that of the homonymous island, formerly known as Runö.
 * – The fourth largest Estonian island, very close to the mainland. Vormsi is a small island covered with forests and a Swedish community. A unique blend of Soviet and Swedish history mixed with unspoilt nature.
 * Osmussaare – A small and mostly inaccessible island in the mouth of the Gulf of Finland, 7.5 km off the mainland, and part of the Noarootsi Parish.
 * Pakri – Two islands in the Gulf of Finland: Suur-Pakri and Väike-Pakri (Swedish: Stora Rågö and Lilla Rågö), administratively part of Paldiski.
 * Naissaar – An island mostly covered by forest northwest of Tallinn with about 35 residents.
 * Prangli – A small island with, harbour (for ferries to Leppneeme on the mainland), mainly fir trees, and a lighthouse from 1923.

I look forward to suggestions on which ones to keep, but as someone who's never been to Estonia, the obvious (though possibly incorrect) first steps would be to eliminate the four unlinked bullets at the end and delete the red-linked Alutaguse National Park. However, that would leave 11 "Other destinations" - two too many. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:31, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Estonian phrasebook

Um, "three lengths for vowels and consonants"? AFAIK the only three-length vowel in Estonian is 'o', the rest are just short or long. And as in Finnish, clusters like "kk" or "tt" indicate a glottal stop before the consonant, not a 'long consonant' (except for ss, mm, nn, ll). (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:46, 1 Nov 2004 (EST)

 * Actually there are 3 vowel lengths. For example:

 * short: sada 'hundred'
 * long: saada 'send'
 * overlong: saada 'to get' (written the same but pronounced longer)

 * When you're studying Estonian, a common way to see the overlong sound denoted is by writing a tick mark in front of the syllable. But that's not part of actual written Estonian. As for long consonants, yes I mean glottal stop. It's a phrasebook, not a language course ;) I should also say I'm at a very beginning level with Estonian, so if I'm dead wrong with anything, it's entirely possible! -(WT-en) nick 22:11, 1 Nov 2004 (EST)

title: Talk:Estonian phrasebook


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Talk:Ethiopia

Religion
I'm pretty sure there's more Christians (atleast overall) than Muslims, i dont know where you got your info, maybe there's alot of conflicting reports, look it up.

 * I looked up and there is still unknown for sure the exact number because of the dynamics of an increasing number of new converts of all faiths. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 67.183.234.220 (talk • contribs)

 * Usually the figures are based on the CIA Factbook, which I would imagine is a pretty good source... but if you've got a better one... – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 22:20, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

Meleke
Hmmmm... I found Meleke but there's also Mekele. Are the two the same place and one just mispelt? Please comment below if they are! -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 09:24, 6 May 2007 (EDT)

 * I can't say with absolute certainty, but I think this is just a misspelling—Mekele is near the Afar Desert and I know of no Meleke. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 04:35, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

 * Good catch, Tim. It's my mistake. I started the Meleke article, but my intention was Mekele. I'll do a redirect in case others also transpose the 'k' and 'l'. (WT-en) WindHorse 07:36, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

Mail section
Is the "Mail" section accurate? I have no recent first-hand experience sending mail to, or receiving mail in, Ethiopia. But unless the postal system has made vast improvements very recently, this section does not seem very accurate. Personal experience indicates that anything thicker or heavier than a letter is assumed to be something of value, and will be opened, and then kept or discarded. I would assume that something sent via USPS Express Mail might fare better. I can vouch that FedEx is reliable, but it is expensive and can take 5 days or more to send from the USA to Ethiopia. -- (WT-en) Gyrofrog (talk) 16:29, 29 May 2007 (EDT)

Taxation and duties on imports?
Any info on that?--86.146.134.152 22:58, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

and buying a car in Ethiopia--86.146.134.152 22:58, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

Thank you, Government of Ethiopia
I just wanted to voice my profound gratitude to the government of Ethiopia in following Wikivoyage regions policy to a tee: creating exactly nine regions, based on travel-relevant ethnic divisions. Very helpful! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 21:39, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Fact checks
This very recent edit added "The unemployment rate was 5% in 2005." The link is to the 2013 Index of Economic Freedom, and I cannot find any mention there of the unemployment rate in 2005 or any other time. Could we have an indication of where on that page the 2005 unemployment rate is, please.

In the same edit, "In 2012 an Afari group attacked tourists in the Danakil Depression, killing five European tourists, and kidnapping two others" was changed to "In 2011 an Afari group attacked tourists in the Danakil Depression, killing five European tourists, and kidnapping two others". I believe that the attack took place on 16 Jan 2012. If I am wrong, when in 2011 did it take place? Thanks. Nurg (talk) 08:28, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I think it was me that buggered things up, Nurg.
 * As far as I can tell, I must have edited Revision as of 22:56, 8 November 2013 by Nurg and for some weird reason there was no edit conflict message or I did not notice the "you are editing an old version message at the top of the page. As you can appreciate this was quite a long copyedit of mine. Sorry and please just restore your excellent edits if you can find the time - otherwise I'll do that later myself.--118.93.88.129 09:21, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Conflicting "standard headings"
I hope that eventually we will have a working table of contents, since it is a very useful tool for travellers.

Anchor text is not just important for search engine optimisation purposes.

We also need unambiguous titles (ie unique headings) so that we can internally link.

Therefore, as a general rule, there should not be sub-section headings with the same title.

If we have Ethiopia in our "Get in" section we should not also have Ethiopia in our "Get around" section. That's why I changed it to Ethiopia. --118.93nzp (talk) 07:23, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks for raising this on the Talk page. What you are suggesting would require a change to the Article templates/Sections guidelines, or at least my reading of them. I suggest you raise the matter on the Talk page for that policy. Your idea would affect a large number of pages. In the meantime we ought to follow the existing guideline until such time as the policy might change. I hope you don't mind if we wait for any discussion to conclude first. Cheers. Nurg (talk) 08:20, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Of course not, Nurg.
 * However, since many old and seasoned editors regard me as part of the gang of four (or is it three or two or six - I really can't keep track of all the accusations flying around), if you think the idea has merit (it also means you can click on edit short links without the wrong heading opening), I'd be grateful if you would raise it there yourself... --118.93nzp (talk) 08:28, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, duly raised there. Nurg (talk) 09:26, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I assume to no avail, since to change the hallowed headings would risk differentiating ourselves from Wikitravel and might even risk getting rid of the Google duplicate penalty that saps our readership?

Alternative banner for this article?
Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 21:53, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

 * Maybe marginally? I'm not sure. Why do you think it's clearly better, as a banner for the article for the country? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:11, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It's ok, but the existing one may be marginally better. Nurg (talk) 09:56, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

New regions?
So, I've recently returned from Ethiopia and reached the conclusion our regions for it, although following federative and linguistic borders, are kinda pointless from a traveller's POV. They group together areas that can't easily be reached from each other (understatement) and are completely different (for example, the southeastern and western portions of Oromia, or southern and northern Afar); separate areas that are usually travelled together (like the rift valley); and give spotlight to areas that are insanely off the travel radar for all but the hardiest of travellers (again, understatement in the case of Benishangul-Gumaz). So before I take a shot at creating a new map, I figured I'll ask for opinions regarding this new list of regions:

 * Central Ethiopia - This will be the area around Addis Ababa and anything that can be an easy day-trip from there (east to Nazareth/Adama, south to Butajira, that sort of radius).
 * Northern Ethiopian Highlands - basically Amhara and Tigray. By far the most travelled area of Ethiopia out of Addis, and usually done in a loop in a very specific order. The country's historic heartland. Different landscape and tourist attractions than the rest of the country.
 * Danakil Depression - The northern half of Afar, usually reached as an organized side-trip from Mekele in Tigray. Very popular and we already have a page about it.
 * Ethiopian Rift Valley - the series of lakes from Ziway down to Arba Minch, plus the road south to Kenya (currently split in a criss-cross of borders between Oromia and southern Ethiopia). Again, very different landscape and tourist attractions than the rest of the country.
 * Omo Valley - one of the most popular attractions in the country (sadly), and kinda complicated and requires a lot of preparation. It's part of what we currently have under southern Ethiopia.
 * Bale Mountains - more than just the national park, it's a whole area with some other parks and towns. Currently a part of Oromia.
 * Eastern Ethiopia - Somali, westernmost Oromia (inc. Harar and Dire Dawa) and the south of Afar. Could be split into Haraghe and Ogaden, I suppose, but then the Ogaden page will be way off the beaten path and kinda empty.
 * Western Ethiopia - the least travelled of the regions I listed. Basically, western Oromia, Gambela and Benishangul-Gumaz.

Thoughts? --Buzzy (talk) 16:52, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Hi Buzzy. Reorganisation may be a good idea, but I'm not sure about all the detail of what you've suggested. We have 26 bottom-level articles at present (including a new one you have just added). Could you list them (and any other new ones that you plan to definitely add) under each region that you have suggested. Then we will have a better of idea of how many bottom-level articles would be in each region. My first impression is that the regions would still be out of proportion to each other (as they are now) if, for example, we had a whole region for Danakil, but had Amhara and Tigray merged into one. But the idea of some sort of reorg has merit, so let's discuss further. Nurg (talk) 11:03, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Principle and main criticism is accurate but, as usual, the devil will be in the detail...

 * Alright, I see your point, Nurg. The low number of articles is because, frankly, our Ethiopia section is currently very lacking. So let's break this down, as you suggested:

Thoughts? --Buzzy (talk) 12:29, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Thanks Buzzy. I've added Adwa to your table. I think maybe we should go for fewer, but bigger, regions until such time as we have plenty more articles. So here's a suggestion:
 * Central Ethiopia - as you suggest
 * Northern Ethiopia - Amhara, Tigray & Danakil
 * Southern Ethiopia - Rift Valley & Bale Mountains
 * Eastern Ethiopia - as you suggest
 * Western Ethiopia - including what you have for Omo Valley

 * This would avoid having any regions that currently have no lower-level articles. And the existing region articles are mostly bare bones, so we are better off having fewer such bare bones articles. Thoughts? Nurg (talk) 10:03, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Could work, Nurg. Main issue is that Omo doesn't make much sense in the west, because the access to it is from the south. The reason we don't currently have any articles about the west is because it's really off-the-beaten-path. Also, the Omo Valley is really a very touristy yet complicated "tribal" area that I do think deserves its own page. How about if we do it in reverse order: first we'll push to have more articles (quantity is the easy part, of course; quality, a bit harder), and then once we'll have most of the pages I suggested, we'll rearrange the regions? I'll try to work on that a bit this week. --Buzzy (talk) 15:38, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Good idea to create more articles first. Of course, they need to at least include some info on what to See or Do. No point in creating articles with no substantial content, just for the sake of filling out a list in a region article. Nurg (talk) 21:01, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Of course, Nurg, I will expand on the pages I already created - creating them was just step one... Anyway, about the regions, I think in the meantime the best solution would be to create the regions as you suggested - but with the Omo Valley in the south and not the west. Yes, that would leave the west empty, but it's more accurate and helpful to travellers, plus it's still much better than what we currently have --Buzzy (talk) 10:06, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

 * That would give:
 * Central Ethiopia - Addis Ababa, Adama, Debre Zeyit, Sodere, Tiya
 * Northern Ethiopia - Cities: Adwa, Axum, Bahir Dar, Gondar, Hawzien, Lalibela, Mekele; other destinations: Danakil Depression, Simien NP
 * Southern Ethiopia - Cities: Arba Minch, Awasa, Konso, Moyale (Kenya border), Wondo Genet, Yabelo, Ziway; other destinations: Abijatta Shalla Lakes NP, Mago NP, Omo NP
 * Eastern Ethiopia - Cities: Dire Dawa, Harar, Kersa ; other destinations: Awash NP
 * Western Ethiopia - none at present
 * I guess that could work. Let's see if anyone else contributes to the discussion. Nurg (talk) 09:48, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

So, I created the map we discussed, Nurg. What does everyone think? --Buzzy (talk) 19:47, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Railways
While there is no shortage of media coverage on the newly opened line and several indications that passenger services have either already started or will start in the next few months, I could not find a website dedicated to the passenger side of rail transport in Ethiopia. If you can find such a side, please add it to the appropriate section and (rough) prices if applicable. What I did find was this, but you can see for yourself why this website is not helpful for the voyager, at least in its current state Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:37, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Some edits

 * Finished up adding coordinates for markers on region pages - adjusted a map or two
 * Add related sites for Churches of Ethiopia, UNESCO and African National Parks
 * THe following below is a quick grab of all the markers for Ethiopia & regions (at this moment in time) which may help identify areas/articles that may need attention. This can all be removed if found not to be useful:

 * (also known as Nazret or Nazareth) — popular weekend destination near Addis
 * , also known as Nazret – an important commercial town east of Addis Ababa
 * (Finfinne) — capital of Ethiopia and one of the biggest shopping cities in Africa
 * – the capital city of Ethiopia and of Oromia
 * and nearby Yeha with its ancient temple
 * - capital of Benishangul-Gumuz, near the western Ethiopian escarpment
 * – the capital
 * (Aksum) — home of ancient tombs and stelae fields, in the far north
 * (also spelt Aksum) – capital of the former Kingdom of Axum, famous for its stelae and cathedrals
 * — monasteries on the islands of Lake Tana and the beautiful Blue Nile Falls nearby
 * – on Lake Tana with its island monasteries and churches, where the Blue Nile flows out
 * , also known as Bishoftu – a resort town between Addis Ababa and Adama
 * — the second largest city; in the east
 * — some of East Africa's only castles
 * – royal castles
 * — ancient walled city near Dire Dawa
 * – a base for exploring the many rock-hewn churches of north-eastern Tigray
 * – hub in Southwestern Ethiopia
 * – a small town with ancient sculptures and fossil beds, declared a UNESCO World Heritage site
 * — home to 11 astonishing rock-hewn churches
 * – rock-cut churches
 * — a town in the Tigrayan Highlands in the north
 * – capital of Tigray, home to the palace of Emperor Yohannes IV
 * – a small town in the south on the Kenyan border
 * - also known as Inda Selassie
 * – a spa town south of Adama
 * – World Heritage Site for its mysterious Stonehenge-like structure
 * - another base for exploring the rock-hewn churches of Tigray
 * – a small town in the south
 * – a small city on the shores of a large lake
 * - a very hot desert region featuring volcanoes and salt plains and lakes below sea level
 * and may be of interest as a relic of the Ethio-Djibouti Railway that began service in 1890 during the reign of Emperor Menelik II. The new line does not serve the historic station.
 * (near Hawzien) — tens of churches you can hike to
 * — a salt desert with several volcanoes including the active Erta Ale and the colorful Dallol
 * and other Omo Valley tribes
 * — spa town due to hot springs (filwoha) -- Matroc (talk) 05:29, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * – a spa town south of Adama
 * – World Heritage Site for its mysterious Stonehenge-like structure
 * - another base for exploring the rock-hewn churches of Tigray
 * – a small town in the south
 * – a small city on the shores of a large lake
 * - a very hot desert region featuring volcanoes and salt plains and lakes below sea level
 * and may be of interest as a relic of the Ethio-Djibouti Railway that began service in 1890 during the reign of Emperor Menelik II. The new line does not serve the historic station.
 * (near Hawzien) — tens of churches you can hike to
 * — a salt desert with several volcanoes including the active Erta Ale and the colorful Dallol
 * and other Omo Valley tribes
 * — spa town due to hot springs (filwoha) -- Matroc (talk) 05:29, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * - a very hot desert region featuring volcanoes and salt plains and lakes below sea level
 * and may be of interest as a relic of the Ethio-Djibouti Railway that began service in 1890 during the reign of Emperor Menelik II. The new line does not serve the historic station.
 * (near Hawzien) — tens of churches you can hike to
 * — a salt desert with several volcanoes including the active Erta Ale and the colorful Dallol
 * and other Omo Valley tribes
 * — spa town due to hot springs (filwoha) -- Matroc (talk) 05:29, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * (near Hawzien) — tens of churches you can hike to
 * — a salt desert with several volcanoes including the active Erta Ale and the colorful Dallol
 * and other Omo Valley tribes
 * — spa town due to hot springs (filwoha) -- Matroc (talk) 05:29, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * and other Omo Valley tribes
 * — spa town due to hot springs (filwoha) -- Matroc (talk) 05:29, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * — spa town due to hot springs (filwoha) -- Matroc (talk) 05:29, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * — spa town due to hot springs (filwoha) -- Matroc (talk) 05:29, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * — spa town due to hot springs (filwoha) -- Matroc (talk) 05:29, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Revisiting the regions
The previous discussion above is now old and had very little participation, so I am bringing this up again. We currently use the country's administrative borders for regions, even though they make zero sense from a traveller's point of view. I will detail some of the problems this creates: I propose we follow the example of most travel guides, put the traveller first, and change the system to 5 (possibly more) directional regions:
 * 1) The Oromia and Afar pages are completely unhelpful as travel regions. It is near impossible to get from southern Afar to northern Afar, for example. Travellers visit southern Afar on their way east to Harar, since the road there cuts though southern Afar. They only visit northern Afar, however, as a side-trip from Tigray, across the country. Similarly, Oromia is an even bigger mess that lumps together areas that cannot be visited together.
 * 2) Several areas that are of very little interest to the traveller and have travel warnings get an entire page, even though they're not likely to fill up. This includes Benishangul-Gumaz, Gambela, and to a lesser extent Somali.
 * 3) Trips that are usually done together by travellers are now split into several different region pages. This includes parts of Oromia and Southern Ethiopia, or other parts of Oromia, southern Afar, and Somali, or northern Afar and Tigray.

What does everyone think? Can we reach a concensus? --Buzzy (talk) 22:41, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd say there are good changes over all. If I were to nitpick, I'd say I'm mildly inclined to keep the Somali region as-is, but not enough to push the issue. I'm also slightly concerned about having an empty western region: the regions should be based more on density of destinations than on geography, so maybe that one could be split and combined with neighboring regions. But, I'm willing to concede to your firsthand experience and, if no one brings up any other proposals, I'd support any improvement over the status quo. Further, incremental improvements can be done later. ARR8 (User talk:ARR8 | Special:Contributions/ARR8) 00:05, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Somali on its own would suffer from the same problem that concerns you regarding the west - it would stay rather empty. It currently contains only one page (Dire Dawa), which is technically not even in Somali. As for the west - I agree with your concerns, but I believe there's more growth potential there. And it's definitely better than the current situation, which splits the west into 3. As you suggested, future incremental changes can definitely be made. --Buzzy (talk) 14:08, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

 * If you are proposing to do the work yourself, Buzzy, then I support the idea, deferring to your knowledge of the country. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:54, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

 * Thanks, ThunderingTyphoons!, I am. I can handle it myself. --Buzzy (talk) 11:32, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

 * Good to know!--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:01, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

 * Thanks for starting that work on the regions!

 * This is not meant to come across as impatient, but I need to ask now while I remember: how soon are you going to redirect the old region articles and create the new ones? If it's in the next few hours, then great, but otherwise it would be better to leave the regionlist on this page as is until you're finished, so readers can still access all the content they could before.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:56, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

 * Done, actually. Will continue working on the rest of what needs to be done now. --Buzzy (talk) 17:01, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

 * Good job. And thank you.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:28, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

12-hour or 24-hour clock?
Which is more commonly used? Ground Zero (talk) 18:16, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Not sure exactly what you're asking, but this might help, maybe. https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-01-30/if-you-have-meeting-ethiopia-you-better-double-check-time Nurg (talk) 09:06, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * What I was trying to find out is whether 17:00 is more common or 5PM. But that article is interesting, and I see that in this article, we say that Wikivoyage will use the 24-hour clock to avoid confusion between the Ethiopian 12-hour clock and the standard one. Ground Zero (talk) 11:32, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I found this and it seems that Ethiopia uses the 12 hour clock (and that type of 12 hour clock seems like what theoretically makes sense) But in saying that, I think if travellers would see the local 12 hour clock, then it should be in brackets (this can be solved with a template). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:11, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments. I'm not sure if you are making a proposal to change anything or just commenting. Continuing to use the 24-hour clock in Ethiopia articles seems fine. I don't think it is necessary to include Ethiopian-style times. Nurg (talk) 04:33, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I now see that you have started a more substantial discussion at Travellers' pub. Nurg (talk) 05:12, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, because certainly travellers would be confused. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:32, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Maps
Is there a good reason to have an ugly dynamic map of part of the country on the page? It's not standard to have dynamic maps of countries. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:43, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

 * No. You can get a dynamic map by clicking on any of the markers, and the reason to look at the dynamic map is usually exactly for finding those on the map. I removed it.

 * On the other hand, we have a problem. The current static map shows just our regions, not the official ones. I noted this when trying to interpret travel advisories and our summary of them. I think the traditional regions are very much relevant for a traveller, both to interpret such advice and to better understand a country where the ethnic regions play an important role.

 * –LPfi (talk) 10:08, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Another way to get a dynamic map is adding the following lines to the parameters of the regionlist:
 * regionInteractiveMap=y |
 * regionmapLat=9.111055 |
 * regionmapLong=39.784099 |
 * regionmapZoom=5 |
 * Clicking the markers at "Cities" or "Other destinations" shows a very zoomed-in map. The switch to the dynamic map by the regionlist template is much more convenient. --FredTC (talk) 11:11, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Chebera Churchura National Park
Ethiopia's Chebera Churchura National Park is situated between the Dawro zone and Konta Special Woreda of the SNNPRS, on the western side of the central Omo Gibe basin. The Park is lucky to have a large number of rivers and streams as well as four tiny artificial lakes (Keriballa, Shasho, and Koka), which are the cause of the area's abundant wildlife resources. 237 different bird species and 37 larger mammals have so far been identified in the park's various areas. The country's endemic birds include the white-cliff chat, banded barbet, wattled ibis, black-headed forest oriole, and thick-billed raven. The African elephant, hippopotamus, Cape buffalo, lion, and leopard are examples of common mammals. CCNP now seems to be the nation's least degraded and reliable ecology for African elephants and Buffalo. King Dawit Tour Ethiopia (talk) 17:56, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

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