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U.S. responds to Russian election hacking with expulsions, sanctions

December 31, 2016

On Thursday, the U.S. government expelled 35 diplomats suspected of being Russian spies, and sanctioned the and  intelligence agencies. Also sanctioned are several G.S.U. officials and three companies that work with it. This is one of many actions the has taken in response to a CIA report issued two weeks ago that concluded the Russian government hacked servers belonging to the U.S. Republican and Democratic parties. The CIA report said this was to turn the 2016 presidential election toward president-elect Donald Trump. The alleged spies have been declared "persona non grata"; they and their families have until Sunday to leave U.S. soil but are not under arrest.

"The United States and friends and allies around the world must work together to oppose Russia's efforts to undermine established international norms of behavior, and interfere with democratic governance," said Obama.

Earlier this year, hackers broke into the private servers of both the Republican and Democratic political parties but only released negative information about the Democratic presidential candidate, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. The CIA would later name the Russian government responsible. One U.S. intelligence official told Reuters this asymmetrical release of information is why the CIA concluded the goal of the hack was to help Trump win the election rather than simply to disrupt the U.S. electoral process. "Putin believed he would be much friendlier to Russia, especially on the matter of economic sanctions," said another. The U.S. State Department issued a statement saying the expulsions were also in retaliation for harsh treatment of U.S. diplomats in Russia, citing police stops, assaults, and the public disclosure of their personal information on television. The also called for the closure of two compounds, one in, New York and one in Maryland near Washington D.C., where Russian diplomats go to play tennis and relax, saying they are used for "intelligence activities." Russia's United Nations ambassador,, criticized the decision, citing the families with children who are currently there for the Christmas holiday.

Vladimir Putin's Foreign Minister,, suggested Russia expel 35 U.S. diplomats, a form of retaliation that would have been typical during the. Putin rejected that idea, calling it "irresponsible democracy," instead saying he would wait for Trump to take office before deciding how to respond. The overall tone from the Moscow has been disdainful, with the head of the Russian Parliament foreign affairs committee, saying "this is the agony not even of 'lame ducks,' but of 'political corpses.'"

According to New York Times reporter David E. Sanger, these sanctions may pose a problem for president-elect Donald Trump. After his inauguration, Trump must either withdraw the sanctions or tacitly endorse them by allowing them to remain in place. Trump enjoys a warm relationship with Russian president Vladimir Putin expressing both admiration for Putin personally and tolerance of his official decisions, such as the. "It is time for our country to move on to bigger and better things," said Trump of the interest in the hack. "Nevertheless, in the interest of our country and its great people, I will meet with leaders of the intelligence community next week in order to be updated on the facts of the situation."

Trump previously expressed skepticism regarding Russia's responsibility for the hacks, having said they could have been committed by "someone sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds." Of the CIA, which issued the report, "These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction."

This places Trump at odds with many other members of the Republican Party, such as senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, who issued a joint statement calling for investigations into Russian interference in U.S. elections. Unlike the Democrats, who have largely applauded the expulsions, most Republicans wanted a much swifter and harsher response.

Paul Ryan said Russia has paid only a "small price" for the hack, asserting that Obama has been too soft on Russia throughout his presidency. The expulsions, unlike economic sanctions, do not apply to the country as a whole, only to specific people and organizations.

Trump has praised Putin's decision to wait until Barack Obama is out of office before responding to these sanctions as "very smart."


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Thread:Comments:Poland pays €100m for Czartoryski art collection/Generosity or politics?

I'm with the board. Why would you set up a sizeable foundation to look after priceless objects, then practically give them away to a government? It's not like there were issues with public access. Law and Justice, of all administrations to hand it to, is really gross. The board are quite right to worry it will be sold off piecemeal at great profit.

Buying power is, for a Brit like me, very good in Poland, but this is absurd. These aren't hanging in somebody's private home; they are, to all intents, a private and apparently successful museum. Law and Justice have no interest in historical accuracy.

The deal has thus-far, as far as I can see, avoided allegations of corrupt favours or backhand bribes. Even if all involved can be readily verified as innocent, this is still the kind of deal open to accusations of impropriety. Somehow, I doubt the Szydło administration cares.


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Helsinki court jails anti-drug chief Jari Aarnio for drug smuggling

December 31, 2016

The Helsinki District Court on Thursday sentenced Jari Aarnio, once head of the city's anti-drugs taskforce, to ten years in prison for smuggling and related crimes. Aarnio, who maintains his innocence, was among thirteen defendants prosecuted over the import and distribution of Dutch hashish totaling about 800 in 2011–12. Ordered into immediate custody, Aarnio was convicted of all 22 charges he faced. Five were of aggravated drug offence, with other offences including, threatening a suspect, and aggravated.

In addition to prison time, Aarnio was ordered to hand over more than 1.3m and a property. Colleague Mikael Runeberg was convicted of nine offences and also jailed, receiving a three-and-a-half year sentence. The court found Runeberg attempted to set up an innocent man in the case. Aarnio tried to hide the identities of co-conspirators and prevent investigations proceeding.

Aarnio, 59, worked his way up to his position in the over a 30-year anti-drugs career. It is his second jail term for corruption. He was found guilty of aggravated fraud in an unrelated case from 2013 connected to his interest in a firm selling surveillance technology to the police. Also convicted of aggravated abuse of public office and aggravated acceptance of bribes, his sentence in that case was set at three years by the.

Aarnio says he intends to appeal and had argued he acted lawfully. Riitta Leppiniemi, defending, said the court may have failed to understand his department's work. The court ruled the convicts offended "with premeditation while unscrupulously abusing the position of a police officer." It also said they "took advantage of the judicial system and forcible police measures" and "contributed to reducing public trust in police operations and were therefore damaging for the entire society," in a press release.

The prosecution sought a thirteen-year term. Aarnio was taken from court to Prison.

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On a skim-read, this looks promising. I hope to review it tomorrow. BRS (Talk)   (Contribs) 02:54, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Not speaking for now so much as in general but would the review process be easier if I indicated which fact came from which source? Darkfrog24 (talk) 05:07, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * In a word, yes. There was a gizmo that allowed WP-style inline refs that would be automatically hidden on publish, but it was hardly used and probably broke long ago.
 * Reviewers, of course, have to some extent volunteered for difficult work, so I suppose we're reluctant to ask people to make things easier to a certain extent. It would be deeply appreciated, however; normally, people would do that with hidden notes in the article body. BRS  (Talk)   (Contribs) 16:45, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Review of revision 4275049 [Not ready]

 * I see the problem. I read this article in a paper newspaper and looked up the URLs later.  Not wanting to use up my ten free NYT articles, I copied-link-location rather than clicking all the way in.  It's an easy fix.
 * For other matters, I see that the style guide doesn't itself have an ENGVAR rule, but is there any rule against using American spelling? Also, I don't think the parag. giving background on the hack makes sense unless we mention at some point that the hackers were at least allegedly Russian agents.  I don't think it much matters how we do so, though. Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:24, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Good, an easy fix. The gamble pays off.
 * The only rule against specific Eng variants is we don't all know all of them. The k is a surprise.
 * Well, it's immediately after a paragraph which says the CIA identified them as Russian agents. Let's allow the reader to decide if they agree. You (or I) might not expect them to disagree; the Russian public might come to an altogether different conclusion. BRS  (Talk)   (Contribs) 19:28, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Dinner will be soon, and when midnight comes, it will be that midnight. I've been digging into the sources in the expectation it'll be quicker to get the review done when I can return to it. I know it's not yet resubmitted, but might as well prepare. BRS  (Talk)   (Contribs) 20:04, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd forgotten to hit the button again.
 * Not offended about the K. I'm the same person who misspelled "Fisher," "Hillary" and "Barack" in the past week, after all. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:12, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * At least you've never Sweedened. BRS  (Talk)   (Contribs) 22:16, 31 December 2016 (UTC)


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William Salice, creator of Kinder Surprise eggs, dies at 83

January 1, 2017

On Thursday,, credited with creating eggs, died at age 83 in , Italy because of a stroke, according to his foundation "Color Your Life Campus". Salice had worked with the businessman in the 1960s, the creator of the  cream and owner of. Ferrero died in 2015. In 1974, Kinder Surprise was launched with plastic toys, which are sold within the eggs to surprise children. Due to this, the sale of Kinder eggs is prohibited in the US. A 1938 US law prohibits the sale of food containing objects in its interior. It is also prohibited in Chile, due to an obesity-reduction law brought in last year. Last year a three-year-old girl died in France, swallowing the plastic toy.

In 2007, after his retirement, Salice founded Color Your Life Campus from his retirement bonus of €400,000 in Italy. It aims to help young people between the ages of thirteen and eighteen discover and develop their own talents. Salice's career spanned 46 years.

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When news articles of India are not categorised under South East Asia, Christmas day is not tagged with Christianity and Boxing Day with Commonwealth nations, why is Shari'a law, which is to Islam tagged with Islam?


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This is your last/only warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikinews. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing elsewhere will be reverted quickly. Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk ) 15:51, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

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Thread:Comments:Pakistan frames law against 'honour killing'/To add the catogery of Islam or not/reply (6)

Disingenuous in the extreme;

 * Category:South East Asia does not exist; articles on India are in Category:Asia
 * Category:Christmas was created two years after all but one article in it, so naturally it was added retrospectively; it is also a bizarre edge case celebrated almost by geography rather than denomination, despite it's origins (Santa is only red because Coca-Cola wanted him to be, and has nothing to do with Jesus).
 * Category:Boxing Day does not exist. Category:Commonwealth nations does not exist. Any category for the Commonwealth would discuss the union itself; it is artificial, and not a geographic delineation.

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Review of revision 4274920 [Not ready]

 * I'm not sure if we even have active reviewers who speak Spanish. Which is a shame, because it means this is unlikely to be reviewed, and I would like it to be. BRS  (Talk)   (Contribs) 16:42, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Since you speak Spanish, you can help in the translation of the Spanish sources in exact verbatim, and share it (of course of-wiki) to scoop@wikinewsie.org Agastya Chandrakant   ⚽ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰  16:50, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm starting to wonder if the English sources alone might be able to replace the Spanish originals entirely (prob best still to list them, though, since they were used to source the original this was translated from...). I might take a look and see if we can, in fact, review without the Spanish sources. BRS  (Talk)   (Contribs) 16:57, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Of all the articles I had written, it had never been questioned that it could not be revised for having Spanish sources, and that most of the articles that I have succeeded in creating here have been published to me without having sources in English. Similarly, all sources say relatively the same, except exceptions when mentioning countries that have restricted the sale of eggs, which is mentioned only in Spanish sources. Alvaro Molina.png Alvaro Molina  (Let's Talk ) 17:26, 1 January 2017 (UTC) PD: Sorry if my English is not good.
 * That prompted me to look closer, and I see can, in fact, handle Spanish sources. :) So we should be able to relax.  BRS  (Talk)   (Contribs) 17:35, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * @Blood Red Sandman, User:AlvaroMolina: I can marginally handle Spanish sources; it's quite difficult for me. I try to be supportive, not to discourage contributors, and so have (when possible) put in much effort to try to cope; but it would be far easier to deal with English sources, and I always have to consider how much danger there is of missing some important nuance in a story because of my very poor grasp of the source language.  --Pi zero (talk) 17:48, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

A source has been added, and all the facts can be verified from the listed English sources atm except for the composition. Agastya Chandrakant  ⚽ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰  17:57, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * In that case, I'll try a review in a few minutes. BRS  (Talk)   (Contribs) 17:58, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

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Delete the redirects. Agastya Chandrakant  ⚽ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰  18:16, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
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Weekly Archived Article
I think we should add a section to the main page, with a different article from the archives each week, called "This Week's Archived Article", or something to that effect, in a way similar to Wikipedia's "Today's Featured Article". This would help make the main page more lively, which, in turn, would probably bring in a few new readers. --Queen Laura (talk) 19:57, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I've got a somewhat similar feature on the replacement I'm designing for the archives splash page, at User:Pi zero/Archives. The old version of the page had had such a thing but it required someone to manually adjust it over time, as the number of years in the archive increased, so of course it didn't get maintained.  I tried to set up mine to work without manual intervention, which sort-of worked.  It didn't quite work out as neatly as I wanted it to; and I hadn't thought of it in terms of whether it'd be suitable for the main page.  --Pi zero (talk) 20:39, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Brexit results
I observed in his article brexit there are no results. I propose that someone put them .--Wikijournalist (talk) 15:46, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
 * We don't add things to archived articles. --Pi zero (talk) 16:06, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

I know. Someone administrator to do it.--Wikijournalist (talk) 12:10, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Even an administrator can not make substantial edits to a news article afte24 hours of its publication. acagastya 12:46, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

 * To clarify: it's not a matter of software permissions, but of policy.  We consider a news article in our archives to be a record of the past, a snapshot in time, and making substantive changes to such an article would amount to rewriting history.  --Pi zero (talk) 13:11, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Once you put it that way. I said only the results to add someone administrator.--Wikijournalist (talk) 06:16, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * If an archived article mentions Liverpool, it won't be a problem to add 'Merseyside' for dinner clarifications be required. But add the result is a sustainable edit. Per the Wikinews guideline, we must not do that. acagastya 07:29, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


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Wiki local news / reduction of newspaper staff in the US
Hi, I recently saw a video by Last Week Tonight citing that there has been a reduction of newspaper staff and more of a biased (if the newspaper gets say a rich owner) as newspaper circulation is being reduced. How will Wikinews be able to cite verified sources if the potential for such sources may be in jeopardy in the future? Also, has there been any consideration to starting local news sites? --AllyUnion (talk) 20:40, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Alas I don't get HBO, so haven't seen much of Last Week Tonight. I gather he's an ally of journalism, though; the things I have heard made me want to cheer.
 * We take into account that every source has bias; it's one of the reasons for our two-source rule (although in conventional journalism, the two-source rule is only about verification). Sources with different perspectives are valued; one might have a US or UK source like CNN or BBC, and then also Al Jazeera or Russia Today or the like.  Stories about the West Bank should aspire to have both Palestinian and Israeli sources.  Etc.
 * We have been noticing here for the past few years that it's getting harder and harder to find two mutually independent sources for a story; more and more often, one wire service covers a story and everyone buys the rights to use their material.
 * We also do original reporting, but we strongly recommend writers learn to write synthesis first before moving to the more advanced form of contribution.
 * Local news stories are allowed on Wikinews. There's some discussion of this at WN:Newsworthiness.
 * --Pi zero (talk) 22:04, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The video I mention is on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq2_wSsDwkQ -- I don't know if it is available in your country. (You could use a Proxy to try to view it if it isn't?);  In the video, it's mentioned that local reporters in the US aren't available because the staff isn't available anymore... I was trying to think if there was an NPO dedicated to covering local news. --AllyUnion (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2016 (UTC)


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NYT
I have trouble accessing NYT articles; they're paywalled for me. --Pi zero (talk) 12:03, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Which said, I just tried the first listed NYT article and it worked for me; first time in years I've actually seen an NYT article. So perhaps we'll just have to see (I won't try further experiments, in case there's some sort of quota involved).  --Pi zero (talk) 12:15, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I could e-mail the contents to you if need be. --William S. Saturn (talk) 19:24, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * We'll see how it goes. (I'm getting paranoid from having spent too long with everyone out to get me.)  --Pi zero (talk) 19:52, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Wikinews interviews three figures from Donald Trump's political past
Published. Had no problem with the NYT sources after all, though a couple of the other sources said things that made me suspect I'd only be allowed five-or-so article accesses before they'd paywall me. Haven't seen much from you this election cycle, though it's occurred to me you've usually concentrated on the off-beat candidates, and this time around the inmates are in charge of the asylum. Anyway, I quite enjoyed this one. :-) --Pi zero (talk) 02:38, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review. I appreciate it as always.  Hopefully I'll be more active in the next few months.  I still have some ideas for stories.--William S. Saturn (talk) 06:31, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

NYT?
Just to note, the nyt source you just linked on your sandbox is paywalled for me. --Pi zero (talk) 23:51, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I won't necessarily use it. It's more of a reminder than anything. --William S. Saturn (talk) 05:24, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
 * /me waves. ; --Pi zero (talk) 11:38, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Back on the campaign trail
In fairness, RockerballAustralia has a valid point: we should find a way to inflect the article form this election cycle so the headline makes clear that it's about the campaign trail in the US. I'm not sure how best to work that into the headline form. Have you any thoughts on this? --Pi zero (talk) 17:33, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * How about "On the campaign trail in the USA, May 2016" ? --William S. Saturn (talk) 18:00, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

As I start working my way through the sources for this, I notice that the Politics1 citation is actually a news feed rather than a specific article, and you didn't note anything specific in your article as coming from there. Was that by any chance something you had on hand to draw from but didn't use? --Pi zero (talk) 21:06, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Everything in the Summary section that is not cited inline is cited to the news feed.--William S. Saturn (talk) 21:17, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Let me know if you'd like for me to cite those inline as well.--William S. Saturn (talk) 21:30, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Noted. --Pi zero (talk)

 * I've been tackling the summary this evening (alas that I haven't gotten further sooner), and there are gaps in what I was able to verify. I've left a comment on the article talk page identifying which bits of the first two paragraphs I didn't find; I haven't gotten to the last two paragraphs yet.  --Pi zero (talk) 02:55, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Scoop
I've just logged into scoop, which worked for me — there's a link to the webmail on wikinewsie dot org — but I didn't find anything recent from you there. Are you sure (this might sound like an inane question maybe, but heck, I make mistakes like this) are you sure you sent to scoop at wikinewsie dot org? Are you able to check your wikinewsie mail through the link from wikinewsie dot org? --Pi zero (talk) 22:27, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I hadn't sent it because I wasn't sure it worked since I couldn't login. Apparently I wasn't using the proper login.  I now can login and I see that it works.  I have sent them. --William S. Saturn (talk) 22:39, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

On the campaign trail in the USA, May 2016
Well, it's out the door. Four years ago, I was much more able to pull all-nighters; this review was more incremental, which is presumably part of why it took me so long to finish it (though perhaps to some extent I'm just rusty; one can hope). But this seems like a good year to be writing articles giving coverage to off-beat candidates on a news project specializing in neutrality. :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 14:09, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Again, thanks for the review. I was late on this so I'll try to get next month's finished sooner.--William S. Saturn (talk) 18:27, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

ArbCom election 2016
As a current Arb, would you be willing to stand for ArbCom again this year? If you don't wish to nominate yourself, I would be happy to nominate you. --Pi zero (talk) 01:38, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes. Thank you.--William S. Saturn (talk) 20:46, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

June campaign trail
I'm making a big push to finish this today (I lack words to describe how frustrated I am that I didn't finish it sooner).

Do you have any thoughts on how to handle the paragraph about how the new UK PM was expected to be chosen by October? --Pi zero (talk) 16:39, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * "The selection was thought likely be made in October, just a month ahead of the US presidential election." - This sounds good. Needs a "to" before "be made in October."  I think this will suffice since I don't want to get into too much detail about the new Prime Minister since that will be covered in the July edition.--William S. Saturn (talk) 17:24, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Sigh. 158 hours from submit to publish, and a bit more than 24 from publish to the start of the Republican national convention.  I can't decide which is more appalling.  I'll have to do much, much better next month; plenty of time to catch up on sleep before then. :-P   --Pi zero (talk) 12:05, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hopefully this next time I'll submit it sooner.--William S. Saturn (talk) 17:58, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

This.......
Wikinews interviews Steve Burke, U.S. Democratic Party presidential candidate is now an FA! Congrats! --Bddpaux (talk) 18:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I didn't even realize it was nominated.--William S. Saturn (talk) 18:49, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

July campaign trail
I'm appalled how late I let this slip. The only thing left (I think) is the Politics1 feed. (The only thing outside the summary I haven't dealt with yet is the sentence "Polls from before and after the speech, showed Cruz's approval rating among Republicans fall from 60% to 33%.") I'd been toying with the idea of staying up all night, but I don't think I have it in me to start on Politics1, so I'll turn in early (it's only 2am here) and hope to get an early start in the morning.

I plan to make a massive push as soon as next month's is submitted, for a vastly shorter turnover (though I've not forgotten about the best laid schemes o' mice and men). --Pi zero (talk) 06:29, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll try to finish the August one sooner. I've been kind of slow at writing these this time. --William S. Saturn (talk) 21:13, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Having trouble. Lots of stuff in the DNC section I can't find.  I've already cut a bunch of stuff (each of those cuts represents at least half an hour of fruitless hunting), and then find myself with no verification at all for the entire important two-sentence passage
 * Sanders closed out the first night. He expressed disappointment in the outcome of the primaries but heralded the "great accomplishments" of his movement and urged his followers to get behind Clinton.
 * I'm at a loss what to do about this; I'm finding it rather unimaginable to not-ready this big article with lots of OR, better than a week and a half after it was submitted, over this stuff; but clearly I can't cut all of that, either. The only thing I'm sure of is I need some sleep for decisions this big.  --Pi zero (talk) 07:01, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll find the sources. --William S. Saturn (talk) 17:28, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keeping in mind, the one part of the article I haven't fully vetted yet is the DNC beyond the second paragraph (and of course I had trouble with the last two sentences of the second paragraph). --Pi zero (talk) 17:46, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It looks like Politics1 deleted everything from before July 28. I'll find other sources.--William S. Saturn (talk) 17:53, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Fwiw: I discovered when I was reviewing the May article that if one uses the scroll provided on the page you cite, one can only get about a month's worth of the feed, maybe a bit less.  So instead I use the link "view on twitter" at the lower right of the scroll box; as a result, at this moment, I have about thirty to forty separate browser tabs open (in a dedicated window) with all of the feed from sometime during the day on June 30 until a few days into August.  My difficulty has been that I still couldn't find things.  Which I imagine is in part me not looking for the right thing, or missing it, or me failing to look in some other listed source that I should have thought of.  But the upshot is admittedly the same — stuff I have trouble finding to verify. --Pi zero (talk) 18:08, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I added a few sources and so I think everything is covered. Let me know if there's anything else. --William S. Saturn (talk) 19:39, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, it's out the door. Thanks.  --Pi zero (talk) 04:29, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you.--William S. Saturn (talk) 05:44, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

August campaign trail
Whenever an August campaign trail becomes ready for review (god willin' and the crick don't rise), I mean to make it a top priority to get it out the door quickly ("quickly" to be defined). I'm thinking ahead to a conjectural October campaign trail and how desirable it would be to get that one out the door prior to the second Tuesday of the following month. --Pi zero (talk) 19:10, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm a little behind. Hopefully I'll be done by the end of the week.--William S. Saturn (talk) 08:15, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, you ran behind the schedule you were hoping for, and I'm behind what I was hoping for; but I think I've done everything except the news feed, so I may finish today UTC (and probably wouldn't miss that by more than a few hours). I've been having trouble accessing the list you sent to scoop; some sort of data format compatibility problem.  It may make sense for me to borrow the use of my mother's desktop, which for some reason can access the file whereas my laptop can't.  At any rate, I have have to run errands in the morning, so I'm turning in now and might not get back to the review for eleven or twelve hours.  --Pi zero (talk) 05:46, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all your work. --William S. Saturn (talk) 18:50, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Published. --Pi zero (talk) 22:15, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

September/October campaign trails
I'm really hoping once you submit this one I can get rapid turnover on it.

Do you mean to get the last one published before election day? If so, it occurs to me it might be useful to start writing parts of the summary (at least) before the end of this month. --Pi zero (talk) 22:48, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes. I plan to begin on it immediately. --William S. Saturn (talk) 05:36, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I know I won't be able to do too awfully much on it tonight, but I mean to get a good start on it tonight anyway, and then really dive in tomorrow. --Pi zero (talk) 22:37, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds good.--William S. Saturn (talk) 00:19, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

'On the campaign trail in the USA, September 2016'
That's gotta be a record on the number of sources!! Geez!! Wow!!!-Bddpaux (talk) 18:03, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Just eyeballing it, I think July had more.--William S. Saturn (talk) 00:54, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * :-D --Pi zero (talk) 00:55, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * (Btw, I'm not as far along as I'd hoped to be by now, but well ahead of where I was at this time-since-submission last month. And of course now starting to listen to the debate.)  --Pi zero (talk) 01:06, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

October campaign trail
If it happens, perchance, to become feasible for me to do an anticipatory review of part of the article — if the text some part is probably mostly stable and all the sourcing documentation is available — let me know, and perhaps I could get a leg up on things. Just a thought. --Pi zero (talk) 22:40, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm going to start looking over the summary. There should be no problem if you make further edits; I've snarfed a copy of the current revision, with its timestamp, so I can separately examine changes. I'll assume, for now, that all embedded sources will find their way into the Sources section.  --Pi zero (talk) 21:02, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes. They will. --William S. Saturn (talk) 22:40, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

I've got a verification problem with the following passage in your summary of the debate:
 * Clinton addressed the content of her paid speeches, arguing her comment about open trade and borders referred to energy policy.

After rereading the entire transcript of the debate, I only found her addressing the "two-faced" thing; I did not see anything where she addressed a comment about open trade and borders, let alone claimed it was about energy policy. Am I missing it in the transcript (and if so, where), or... what? --Pi zero (talk) 01:38, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I looked it up and it was said during the October 19 debate. So the passage should be removed.--William S. Saturn (talk) 07:34, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Have just beens struggling with subtle neutrality issues over disclosing things readers should know about where various stuff was coming from. I found the Project Veritas thing especially troubling; if I were writing that bit (which is certainly worth mentioning in a summary of the month, and one can't spend lots of words because, well, summary), I'd likely sweat over how to provide readers what they should know about what kind of salt grain to take PV's stuff with, but of course as a reviewer I sweat even more because if I intervene at all it has to be very minimal. I made ; perhaps you'll have thoughts on how to improve on that. --Pi zero (talk) 16:34, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The change looks good.--William S. Saturn (talk) 18:30, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm rather worried about this. I've tried to apply the Politics1 feed to the first paragraph of the summary (now that I've finished with all the embedded sources through the summary), but I batted very close to zero.
 * When you said "The politics of polling became a campaign issue", were you referring to Trump's repeated claims throughout the month that the polls are rigged/fake/whatever, or something else?
 * Yes. It's mentioned later on also.--William S. Saturn (talk) 00:06, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

 * "Third party candidate[...] Stein began to slide in the polls, which commonly occurs among such candidates."
 * I could see Johnson slide in the aggregrate graph, but it wasn't at all clear that Stein did so, and although I did take a look at the October 2012 campaign trail, if there was anything about that in it, I didn't find it.
 * That part can be removed.--William S. Saturn (talk) 00:06, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

 * "However, in statewide polling, independent presidential candidate Evan McMullin, who named political consultant Mindy Finn of Texas as his running mate in October, took the lead in a few polls in his home-state of Utah. Early voting began in multiple states in October as well."
 * Didn't find any of that. I saw a number of polls in the Politics1 feed that had him a close second in Utah.

--Pi zero (talk) 22:22, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * - it's one poll, I'll reword.  - Mindy Finn.   - Early voting.--William S. Saturn (talk) 00:06, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Also didn't find:
 * "Kaine spoke in an aggressive manner and often interrupted Pence, who remained relatively calm throughout."
 * --Pi zero (talk) 23:06, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * - In AP analysis.--William S. Saturn (talk) 00:06, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Couldn't find: "All four of the women attended the debate."  --Pi zero (talk) 02:59, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * (fwiw, I've only the last paragraph of the summary still to go) --Pi zero (talk) 03:58, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I removed the sentence. It's not necessary to the summary.--William S. Saturn (talk) 05:14, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

All my remaining verification difficulties in the summary:
 * "As in the second debate, there was no handshake between the candidates before. Unlike the second, there was no handshake afterward."
 * No handshake at the beginning of the second debate, Handshake at end of the second debate, YouTube of Third Debate at 1:07, no handshake, at 1:33:00, no handshake.

 * "Trump received criticism for referring to illegal immigrants as "bad hombres."
 * What criticism? He did use the term, yes, that's in the transcript.
 * Here's a new source I will add. --William S. Saturn (talk) 18:06, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

 * "He and Clinton both attended the traditional Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner with Archbishop of New York Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan seated between them."
 * Seating arrangements.
 * Politics1 retweeted this statement. --William S. Saturn (talk) 18:06, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Was it particularly the bits where he was too critical of Hillary that were booed?
 * For example, see this tweet, Politics1 retweeted, which shows how the booing started when Trump called Clinton corrupt.--William S. Saturn (talk) 18:06, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

 * "over 50% in some states"
 * Politics1 retweeted this graphic.--William S. Saturn (talk) 18:06, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

--Pi zero (talk) 17:00, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Ok, thanks. I'm not surprised I missed the graphic, and the video clip is tbh hard to hear, but I really should have been able to find the first one, with a string search on "Dolan".  --Pi zero (talk) 19:57, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * To be crystal clear: I consider the current state of the summary acceptable for inclusion in a published article.  --Pi zero (talk) 21:54, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The Free & Equal section is finished for the most part as well. Almost the entire story comes from the video of the debate.--William S. Saturn (talk) 22:49, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

 * I added up the ballot access for the Constitution Party including write-ins and got 447. Double-checked the numbers.  Then tried subtracting the number without access from the total number of electors.  --Pi zero (talk) 03:09, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I've started listening to the debate (but have to turn in now). I suspect, but of course don't know for sure yet, that a great deal of background info in that section isn't covered by the debate itself, nor by the embedded sources (which I've looked at).  Like the electoral numbers for the other two candidates, and what-all went on with the 2012 debate (including the bit about its inclusion threshold being higher).  --Pi zero (talk) 05:44, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * As I discovered from Ballot Access News I was mistaken about the 2012 inclusion threshold and so I have corrected it. I also added some history about La Riva, which is sourced to On the campaign trail, November 2011 and .  I'll try to find the electoral numbers, but they are currently based on what is available on Wikipedia.--William S. Saturn (talk) 06:16, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The electoral numbers are too difficult to verify because they are not in one single location but scattered among different Ballot Access News articles and SOS websites. Therefore, I've decided to remove the numbers from the article because they aren't necessary and disrupt the flow as well.--William S. Saturn (talk) 06:58, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * To the summary, I just added a list of battleground states from RealClearPolitics. I added it to the source list.  I am moving the content to On the campaign trail in the USA, October 2016.--William S. Saturn (talk) 07:48, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I mean to have a list for you late(r?) this morning of background stuff I haven't found yet; I may not have finished listening to the debate yet, of course, so again the list may be tentative. I glitched momentarily over La Riva being the surrogate for the nominee in 2012 in some states because the source you (and en.wp) provided only shows she was such in one state; however, en.wp later in the sentence cites a second source showing at least one more state, so, no harm no foul. I am, of course, pulling out all the stops from now forward; I mean to get this published today UCT come hell or high water, and hopefully if I fail at that anyway it'll be a near enough thing for me to stay at it into the evening US-time and put it to bed before going to bed myself. --Pi zero (talk) 13:03, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

The Free and Equal debate section is now in an acceptable state, for my part. The only thing left on the table was whether or not Trump and Clinton were invited. I found this point a bit murky from Tobin's facebook comment quoted in the source. I resolved the question, for now, by removing their names from that sentence; the names dropped out neatly, it seems a small point. And I'll tackle the the other sections after lunch. --Pi zero (talk) 17:07, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Btw, there are some anomalies in the metadata on the Darryl Perry map at Commons; off hand, I see a "2014" and a "Gage Skidmore" where I wouldn't have expected to find them. --Pi zero (talk) 18:34, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Published. Thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 19:58, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for all the work you put in to reviewing this and all the previous articles in the series. I very much appreciate it.--William S. Saturn (talk) 21:43, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

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-- This template is a copy of the ISXN validation code from Module:Citation/CS1 -- which allows for validating ISBN, ISMN, and ISSN without invoking a citation template

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--[[--< IS _ V A L I D _ I S X N >-

ISBN-10 and ISSN validator code calculates checksum across all isbn/issn digits including the check digit. ISBN-13 is checked in check_isbn. If the number is valid the result will be 0. Before calling this function, issbn/issn must be checked for length and stripped of dashes, spaces and other non-isxn characters.

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local function is_valid_isxn (isxn_str, len) local temp = 0; isxn_str = { isxn_str:byte(1, len) };	-- make a table of byte values '0' → 0x30 .. '9' → 0x39, 'X' → 0x58 len = len+1;							-- adjust to be a loop counter for i, v in ipairs( isxn_str ) do		-- loop through all of the bytes and calculate the checksum if v == string.byte( "X" ) then		-- if checkdigit is X (compares the byte value of 'X' which is 0x58) temp = temp + 10*( len - i );	-- it represents 10 decimal else temp = temp + tonumber( string.char(v) )*(len-i); end end return temp % 11 == 0;					-- returns true if calculation result is zero end

--[[--< IS _ V A L I D _ I S X N _ 1 3 >--

ISBN-13 and ISMN validator code calculates checksum across all 13 isbn/ismn digits including the check digit. If the number is valid, the result will be 0. Before calling this function, isbn-13/ismn must be checked for length and stripped of dashes, spaces and other non-isxn-13 characters.

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local function is_valid_isxn_13 (isxn_str) local temp=0; isxn_str = { isxn_str:byte(1, 13) };										-- make a table of byte values '0' → 0x30 .. '9' → 0x39 for i, v in ipairs( isxn_str ) do		temp = temp + (3 - 2*(i % 2)) * tonumber( string.char(v) );				-- multiply odd index digits by 1, even index digits by 3 and sum; includes check digit end return temp % 10 == 0;														-- sum modulo 10 is zero when isbn-13/ismn is correct end

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Determines whether an ISBN string is valid

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local function check_isbn( isbn_str, error_string ) if nil ~= isbn_str:match("[^%s-0-9X]") then -- fail if isbn_str contains anything but digits, hyphens, or the uppercase X		return error_string; end isbn_str = isbn_str:gsub( "-", "" ):gsub( " ", "" );	-- remove hyphens and spaces local len = isbn_str:len; if len ~= 10 and len ~= 13 then return error_string; end

if len == 10 then if isbn_str:match( "^%d*X?$" ) == nil then return error_string; end return is_valid_isxn(isbn_str, 10) and '' or error_string; else local temp = 0; if isbn_str:match( "^97[89]%d*$" ) == nil then -- isbn13 begins with 978 or 979; ismn begins with 979 return error_string; end return is_valid_isxn_13 (isbn_str) and '' or error_string; end end

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Determines whether an ISMN string is valid. Similar to isbn-13, ismn is 13 digits begining 979-0-... and uses the same check digit calculations. See http://www.ismn-international.org/download/Web_ISMN_Users_Manual_2008-6.pdf section 2, pages 9–12.

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local function check_ismn (id, error_string) local text; local valid_ismn = true;

id=id:gsub( "[%s-–]", "" );													-- strip spaces, hyphens, and endashes from the ismn

if 13 ~= id:len or id:match( "^9790%d*$" ) == nil then					-- ismn must be 13 digits and begin 9790 valid_ismn = false; else valid_ismn=is_valid_isxn_13 (id);										-- validate ismn end

return valid_ismn and '' or error_string end

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Validate and format an issn. This code fixes the case where an editor has included an ISSN in the citation but has separated the two groups of four digits with a space. When that condition occurred, the resulting link looked like this:

|issn=0819 4327 gives: 4327 0819 4327 -- can't have spaces in an external link This code now prevents that by inserting a hyphen at the issn midpoint. It also validates the issn for length and makes sure that the checkdigit agrees with the calculated value. Incorrect length (8 digits), characters other than 0-9 and X, or checkdigit / calculated value mismatch will all cause a check issn error message.

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local function check_issn(id, error_string) local issn_copy = id;		-- save a copy of unadulterated issn; use this version for display if issn does not validate local text; local valid_issn = true;

if not id:match ('^%d%d%d%d%-%d%d%d[%dX]$') then return error_string; end id=id:gsub( "[%s-–]", "" );									-- strip spaces, hyphens, and endashes from the issn

if 8 ~= id:len or nil == id:match( "^%d*X?$" ) then		-- validate the issn: 8 digits long, containing only 0-9 or X in the last position valid_issn=false;										-- wrong length or improper character else valid_issn=is_valid_isxn(id, 8);						-- validate issn end

return valid_issn and '' or error_string end

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function p.check_isbn(frame) return check_isbn(frame.args[1] or frame:getParent.args[1], frame.args['error'] or frame:getParent.args['error'] or 'error') end

function p.check_ismn(frame) return check_ismn(frame.args[1] or frame:getParent.args[1], frame.args['error'] or frame:getParent.args['error'] or 'error') end

function p.check_issn(frame) return check_issn(frame.args[1] or frame:getParent.args[1], frame.args['error'] or frame:getParent.args['error'] or 'error') end

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For ISBNs, For ISMNs, For ISSNs,

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The intention is to switch from "magic link" syntax to more explicit syntax.

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Simple questions:
 * 1) If South East Asia category was there, would you list India in South East Asia?
 * 2) Saudi Arabia is in the Asian continent, why is it categorised in Middle East rather than Asia?
 * 3) Why are we adding the categories of the higher hierarchy when we have more precise categories?
 * 4) Which makes me ask, why not add the categories of respective national leagues — Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A to the UEFA Champions League articles because the (German, Spanish and Italian) clubs are able to participate in the Champions League because of their performance in their national leagues.


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 * 1) Of course. Or nominate it for deletion; depends on exactly how well-defined SE-Asia is.
 * 2) I have no idea. Feel free to propose the alternative. These were debated in the mists of time, many years ago; at this stage, I couldn't tell you how decisions were reached and be at all confident I was accurately reflecting the conversation.
 * 3) So that people interested in these topics can see all the relevant articles in one place (note that when placing categories into subcats we do list them by the lowest denominators).
 * 4) Categories are based on what's in the articles. If the information you describe appears in a given article, that would create a strong case for inclusion in the cat. As a related tangent, there has been discussion of late as to whether league cats should include games played in them (like one would for a geographic cat) or articles about the league itself (like a cat for an organisation with member states such as the UN or EU). Historically, I'd have gone (as have you) for the first; there's now some feeling maybe we should go for the second.

A rule of thumb is to imagine a news source dedicated purely to covering all news for a given topic. Could that source write an article on this? A hypothetical IslamNews could write at least two stories, with a different focus each: Pakistan moves to end Islamic Sharia practices in 'honour' killings (interestingly, Sharia defies any attempt to properly describe it in a headline; it is a widespread, but by no means universal, phenomenon, as described on its category), Pakistani senator says honour killing law waters down Islamic law (very interestingly, meets the same problem; further compounded that Eng-lang sources sometimes use "Islamic law" as bywords for Sharia when as I understand it Sharia is a form of Islamic law, but not the sole topic that can be described thus. Then again, Hamdulla doesn't name Sharia specifically.)

Now, we don't need to work out good headlines; we're not IslamNews. Suffice that such a source could produce articles out of this. This line of thought is what leads me to think Bundesliga etc apply to matches played in the respective leagues. I understand arguments to the contrary, however.

I've answered your questions, carefully and in detail; now answer mine: Why is this debate happening in Thread:/Comments: space, known affectionately as trollspace, and not a water cooler or other community space?


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Thread:Comments:Pakistan frames law against 'honour killing'/To add the catogery of Islam or not/reply (9)

I guess you have to find your answer on your own. I said, "It is interesting to note that honour killing is not limited to Islamic countries. India democratic and secular, honour killing is still practiced in Punjab, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan." But you chose to say "The article talks very clearly about Islamic concepts. Did you even read it?" It might be possible, I would have written the news article absent-mindedly. When I tried to say why I feel my opinions were correct, I was welcomed by your taunt "Clearly nothing to do with Islam, then." Am I not allowed to post my comments on this page, tell me.


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I suspect there was some context of events not visible in this thread that took place between the original comment and the remark about POV-pushing. This may well have led the entire thread to develop a certain disconnect, of people talking past each other. That's unfortunate, and it seems to me everyone is getting rather more on-edge about this thread than is entirely warranted.


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Thread:Comments:U.S. responds to Russian election hacking with expulsions, sanctions/Let's see

Let's see. Hillary was going to place a no fly zone over Syria if elected which would have started a rift with Russia. The Democrats, but of course John McCain and Lindsey Grahamn are in the same boat, lose the White House so the current administration in desperation has to get the ball rolling against the Russians somehow and get this election involvement thing going so they stir the pot. When is the USA just going to pull out of the world scenario and just concentrate on our borders and get our military home? Never if the likes of McCain, Clinton, Obama and others have their way.


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A ferry caught fire near Jakarta, Indonesia this morning. The National Disaster Mitigation Agency said at least 23 had died and at least seventeen remain missing.

The Zahro Express caught fire shortly after leaving port in Jakarta. It was heading to Island, in the  chain. Police said the fire began in the engine area. A manifest listed 100 passengers, but officials estimated over 200 were on board. Sumarsono, acting governor of Jakarta, dismissed suggestions the vessel was overloaded. Its blackened wreckage was towed back to Muara Angke.

Rescuers continue to search for bodies. As of earlier today, nine of the injured remained in hospital. Three bodies have been identified as Jaksen Wilhelmus, Masduki, and Alia. Jaksen and Masduki are both from West Java. The National Disaster Mitigation Agency said ten ships continue to search for bodies or survivors.

"Fifteen minutes after the boat set sail, people at the back of the boat started making noise," one survivor said. "Then I saw smoke, there was more and more, the boat was crowded and people were fighting for life jackets." Another told Reuters passengers panicked when the fire broke out, and were met with a sudden conflagration when flames reached fuel.

Boat accidents are common in the island nation. The National Transportation Safety Committee reported to  today that shipping accidents were up from fifteen in 2015 to 28 in 2016. Lead marine investigator Aldrin Dalimunte told the paper some boats are well-maintained but run by poorly-trained crew who lack the motivation and knowledge to prevent accidents.


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Thread:Comments:Pakistan frames law against 'honour killing'/To add the catogery of Islam or not/reply (11)

"I guess you have to find your answer on your own."

Indeed, you still haven't said why this is in trollspace.

"This may well have led the entire thread to develop a certain disconnect"/"Am I not allowed to post my comments on this page, tell me."

Shitposting to this degree is certainly more likely to be tolerated in trollspace than elsewhere.


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Thread:Comments:U.S. responds to Russian election hacking with expulsions, sanctions/Let's see/reply

I don't think this is primarily about Syria, nor about foreign policy, and I also don't think it's desperation. If the Russian government deliberately tries to undermine US democracy then, regardless of which direction they try to tip things, what the US does in response to that is about US domestic integrity, not US foreign policy — it's about Russia involving itself inside the US, and US involvement or non-involvement overseas is irrelevant to it. (The idea that no such response would be forthcoming if Russia had tried to tip the scales the other way is bullshit, i.e., stuff said without caring how or whether it corresponds to reality; if Russia had tried to tip the scales the other way then either Obama would have responded the same way or he wouldn't, I have a guess as to which, perhaps some people would have a different guess, and there would be a question to discuss about whether the Obama response to that was right or wrong — but neither of those things happened because Russia did what it did rather than doing something else, and what would or wouldn't have happened in that alternative scenario, and what would have been right or wrong to do in that scenario, is irrelevant to what is the right thing to do in reality.) Obama clearly isn't responsible for what Trump chooses to do or not do after Obama is no longer POTUS, but Obama clearly is responsible for doing what he believes to be right while he is POTUS. And by doing what he believes to be right atm, Obama maximizes Trump's flexibility to choose what direction to go in (including both continuing Obama's policy and completely reversing it, as well as anything between).

The Russian action seems likely to have been two-pronged in concept: get dirt on both major US parties, use the dirt on one party to undermine it so it loses, and use the dirt on the other party to manipulate what it does once it wins.


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I don't know how much you know about the other Abrahamic religions, but if you are unable to understand why I commented on this page, (evidently yes, opinions and arguments were replied with biased comments taunts) that is not my fault. "Shitposting", sure.


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If you don't want "taunts", get out of trollspace. Good of you, though, to utterly ignore the detailed answers provided.

This will be my last comment; so, feel free to help yourself to the last word.


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I encourage both parties to simply drop this thread. I don't think it's accomplishing anything positive.


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Well, indeed. At first I thought this was the lack of knowledge of the other Abrahamic religions, but it turns out to be biased point of view towards Islam, something that I often have to witness.


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I did not ignore the answer. But, tell me why are articles speaking about and/or  are not categorised under Islam and ? Instead of thinking about improving the categorisation, we are focusing religion.


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You think BRS is being anti-Islam biased, he thinks you're being pro-Islam biased. You're both talking past each other, and you're both sniping at each other. There; that's all one needs to know about the whole thread. Finis.


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If an article which focuses on Shari'a law has CAT:Islam, I would love to see articles mentioning Jesus and/or Mary to be categorised under CAT:Christianity, CAT:Islam and CAT:Judaism.


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You can always tell party before country. sad.


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If you think that, you're not seeing something that's there, just something you imagine.


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This does not belong on the opinions page. It's a categorization issue. The other thread seems to have soured because of this same decision to bring a categorization issue into "trollspace". I don't think it'll work well no matter who brings it here (i.e., no matter who "starts" it).

It's unfortunate that LQT, although less miserably incompatible with wiki markup than Flow, nevertheless is enough different from ordinary wiki markup that there's no good way to "hide" that whole branch of the other thread.


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NO, i didn't imagine OP subject line.


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Alas, I'm not sure what you're referring to. It seemed as if you were claiming to be able to tell both Mcp1957's and my party affiliations. I admit I have a pretty good guess myself about Mcp1957's political affiliations, though party affiliation, at least in the formal sense, is not so easy to guess. My political affiliations are likely less obvious, though I'm quite open about making my response to Mcp1957 independent of which policy is best on any of the political issues raised, instead focusing on the interrelations of different policy decisions to each other, and possible motivations of Obama. I find particularly interesting the subtle relationship between Obama's options re Russia and Trump's.


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Interesting. Here in the US there are things one might describe as chocolate eggs with toys inside — but it's just a chocolate shell, inside of which is a large plastic container (much too big for a child to swallow accidentally) containing a small toy.


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Sounds exactly the same, actually, just scaled up. Very interesting.

A less SFW fact: In the UK (and presumably elsewhere) those carrying small amounts of hard drugs may place them in an empty container from inside a Kinder egg and, ahem, insert them into themselves to avoid detection.


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UK documentary claims fire weakened RMS Titanic

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A documentary broadcast on Sunday on the UK's Channel 4 claims the was weakened by a three-week fire before its infamous 1912 sinking. More than 1,500 people died when the vessel sank partway between, England and New York, United States. The disaster has long been thought down to a collision with an iceberg.

Titanic: The New Evidence focuses upon research by Irish journalist Senan Molony, who spent 30 years investigating the accident. Based on photographs of RMS Titanic at the shipyard that built it in, Ireland, he suggested fire by spotting large black streaks in the region struck by the iceberg.

The documentary claims expert analysis confirmed these streaks likely signify a large fire in a fuel store. Alleging temperatures of up to 1,000 degrees Celsius, Molony said metallurgists had opined "when you get that level of temperature against steel it makes it brittle, and reduces its strength by up to 75 per cent."

Molony claims "This isn't a simple story of colliding with an iceberg and sinking. It's a perfect storm of extraordinary factors coming together: fire, ice and criminal negligence[....] The fire was known about, but it was played down. She should never have been put to sea." He said J Bruce Ismay, President of the firm behind construction of RMS Titanic, ordered the twelve men tasked to attempting to control the fire to avoid informing passengers. Molony also claims the ship backed into its Southampton berth in a bid to hide fire damage.

A 1912 report to the UK Parliament mentioned, but dismissed as a cause, the on-board fire. Ray Boston suggested in 2008 fire may have broken out ten days prior to departure. Boston investigated the disaster for twenty years. Richard De Kerbrech, who wrote several books documenting the accident, said Molony's proposal the fire severely weakened the ship's structure is believable.

Molony said "Nobody has investigated these marks before or dwelled upon them." The photographs, taken by engineers on the ship, only recently came to light when they were sold at auction.


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A gunman shot Burundi environment minister dead early on Sunday,.

Police said they detained a woman accompanying Niyonkuru. The 54-year-old minister was returning home for the night in. Burundi has seen turbulence since President sought a third term in early 2015, winning it in a disputed election. Protesters claim Nkurunziza violated a peace deal and the constitution. Since then around 450 have died. Nkurunziza tweeted his thoughts were with "the family and all Burundians". Also detained were two security officers watching over Nkurunziza's Bujumbura home, and the manager of a bar the minister attended regularly. Police spokesperson Pierre Nkurikiye and Nkurunziza both called the attack an "assassination".

It is the first time a minister has died in the violence gripping the nation, which had eased in recent months. On Saturday a grenade was thrown into a church 40 (25 ) north of Bujumbura, wounding several. Nkurikiye said the church was illegal, and its leader was in custody.

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Israeli ex-minister Yaakov Neeman dies aged 77

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, an Israeli politician who served as justice minister and finance minister under Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, died in his Jerusalem home on Sunday. He was 77. Born in 1939 in, Neeman, alongside future President , founded law firm Herzog, Fox and Neeman in 1972. He was appointed finance minister in 1979, a position he held until 1981. He was later appointed justice minister by Netanyahu, based on his legal training and loyalty.

Unusually for a senior minister, he had never served in the. He held the job for two months before resigning; he was being investigated for. , Attorney General of the day, launched the probe after Neeman testified at a bribery trial. Neeman was cleared.

Neeman regained the Justice Ministry post in 1997, resigning again the next year. He blamed insufficient support from Netanyahu and resumed law. In 2009 Netanyahu was reelected, again appointing Neeman minister of justice. In 2013 this role passed to the party's.

Neeman's last resignation, in 2013, came as he was under investigation by the for evading tax via his law company. The Tel Aviv Magistrates Court ultimately acquitted him.

Outside law and politics Neeman was also an industrialist. He worked with, airline , and the. In 1986 he was credited as key to convincing business partner Herzog, who was then president, with pardoning members of the ; after a bus was hijacked, security forces two Palestinians once the hijack had concluded.

Neeman specialised in tax law. A fluent speaker, he had degrees from the  and. His wife and six children survive him.

Current President spoke of a good lawyer and advisor whose wisdom he had sought as recently as last week. "The entire Justice Department bows his head", said current Justice Minister. Herzog's son, leader of the opposition , spoke of "a tender-hearted, broad-minded and generous man" who "was a mentor and close friend for tens of years."

Knesset Speaker Yuli Edelstein said Neeman was "a unique figure in our public life, blessed with talent and pleasantness, who believed in his heritage and his people with his entire body." Netanyahu called Neeman "one of the senior jurists in the country, of a sharp mind and a warm Jewish heart."


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Tyrus Wong, Bambi artist, dies at 106

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On Friday,, a Chinese-US painter who inspired the style of Disney animated film , died at home of natural causes in , Los Angeles, according to his daughter Kim Wong. Born on October 25, 1910 in Guangdong province, China, Tyrus Wong left the country with his father at the age of nine under fake names "Look Tai Yow" and "Look Get". Wong's father taught him the art of using water instead of ink on newspapers.

Wong used to work as a after school in Los Angeles earning half a dollar per day. Wong's principal in helped arrange a scholarship in  for his art skills. At Otis, Wong studied Western art and graduated in 1935. In 1934, a landscape of Wong's appeared in an exhibition organised by the which also featured a  etching, "Two Nudes". For two years, from 1934 to 1936, he worked for the to create paintings for public buildings.

In 1938, Wong began work in the Disney animation studio as an — creating hundreds of intermediate images for the appearance of motion. noticed his work. Wong's forest paintings of deer strongly influenced the style of Bambi. Wong worked at Disney for only three years before he was sacked in 1941, following an employee's strike in which Wong did not participate. Next year, Wong became a, drawing storyboards and set designs for live-action films. Films he drew concept art for included ', ', and . After more than a quarter century at Warner Bros., Wong retired in 1968. Wong gained US citizenship in 1946.

Wong influenced animator, the creator of Lilo from ' and from '. Wong also worked as a janitor, designed greeting cards, and picked asparagus during the lows in his career.

Wong was named a in 2001. Wong is survived by three daughters and two grandchildren.

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Hollywood sign modified to read 'Hollyweed'

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The in Los Angeles, California was modified to read "Hollyweed" on Sunday. Security camera footage shows the perpetrator was dressed all in black, said Sergeant Robert Payan. Christopher Garcia, a spokesperson of the, said the suspected male offender is being investigated for trespassing rather than vandalism. The sign was not physically damaged; the modification was done using black s decorated with signs of peace and heart to alter the "O" to read lowercase "e".

Betsy Isroelit, a Hollywood Sign Trust spokesperson said, "There was obviously recent legislation in California that may have inspired people. But to me, it looks more like a New Year's Eve prank." On November 9, legislators voted in favor of a ballot for legalising recreational use of marijuana in California for the age group of 21 and above.

Previously, on January 1, 1976, Daniel Finegood had vandalised the sign using curtains in a similar manner to read "Hollyweed". As a college student, Finegood had modified the sign for an assignment in art class. Finegood, in 1990, had modified the sign again, signifying a political issue, modifying the sign to read "Oil War" to protest the.

The sign was vandalised in 1992 before the. Supporters of presidential election candidate altered the sign to read "Perotwood".

The law legalising recreational marijuana is due to come into effect in 2018.


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At least 56 killed in Brazil prison riot

January 5, 2017

At least 56 inmates, mostly of rival drug gangs, were killed during a Sunday riot in Anisio Jobim Penitentiary Centre, a state prison located in, Brazil, according to official report. Some of those killed were decapitated.  { "type": "FeatureCollection", "features": [ {     "type": "Feature", "properties": {}, "geometry": { "type": "Point", "coordinates": [ -60.02418637363007,         -2.906105350814968        ]      }    }  ] } According to  state Public Security Secretary Sergio Fontes, members of two criminal organisations, the Família do Norte (FDN) and the  (PCC), were involved.

The conflict started on Sunday. It lasted at least seventeen hours until the authorities quelled the riot on Monday at 7 a.m. local time, according to Fontes.

According to Fontes, 74 inmates and twelve officers were held hostage, of whom some were released and others killed. Six decapitated bodies were thrown over the walls.

The Anisio Jobim Penitentiary Centre houses, by reports, several times its supposed capacity of inmates; 2230 on a capacity of 590 according to, 1224 on 454 according to.

According to officials, during the riot 112 inmates escaped.

Fontes said competition for drug trade was the main reason for the riot. Former secretary Jose Vicente da Silva said Brazil's prison system mismanagement and economic recession contributed to the riot.

This latest riot is considered the deadliest since the in, , where 111 inmates were killed, most by the police who stormed the penitentiary.

Within a day of the latest riot at the Anisio Jobim Penitentiary Centre, individual riots at two other Manaus prisons reportedly occurred. At least 72 inmates escaped from one of these prisons.

Brazil has more than 600,000 inmates nationwide.


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Thread:Comments:UK documentary claims fire weakened RMS Titanic/Usual 'weak' evidence 'documentary'

I agree (as an ex Metallurgist) that temperature (heat is a different thing) can effect the strength / ductility / hardness etc of steel. Depends on the temperature and time and removal of the heat source ( quenching) together with the original materials consistency. And that is a simple explanation of the variables.

I haven't watched the program, so maybe I am being over critical and dismissive. Did they find records of any of the above variables....appears to me they can't even validate the occurrence of the fire in the first instance.

Or maybe after 15 years of watching the World Trade Centre fall down they have decided the viewing public deserve greater enlightenment.

From David in Thailand, sat on a beach, watching people enjoy themselves making their own entertainment.


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Sounds like you're in the right place. ;)

Molony just gets too excited and overstates his case, it seems. Titanic: Something That May Well Have Happened or Not, We Don't Really Know doesn't make for prime time TV.


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