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Talk:United States: At least fifteen dead in Southern California after rain causes mudslides and floods

Update please
Hi. Can we update this for the latest news. Death toll has sadly gone up. If one of you can update the article, then I can review it. Hope you can. Cheers, --SVTCobra 19:30, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * After seeing a BBC article from today, I was thinking of asking whether that was allowed. Hold on and I'll try, and one of you can then move it. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:36, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * ... Oh OK, I defer to Darkfrog24. Hope we won't run into the problem we had with the derailment story, where collaboration made it unreviewable. I'm happy to have a better writer work on it, I won't muck with it any more. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:38, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I'm now totally confused. I now see it was you adding new sources, not Darkfrog24, and they are not what I would have used. I almost totally rewrote an article that two others had worked on, but was told by PiZero that collaborative articles rarely get reviewed because of the added burden on the reviewer. I could update this as you suggest, but I'm actually now on borrowed time, so I'd do it with the BBC source I had read and evaluated; I hesitated because I'd got the idea updates after the article was submitted were also a bad idea. You or Darkfrog has flipped it back to not up for review - I dunno. I think I'm going to revert your additions and do what I was thinking of doing, so it doesn't miss its slot. Sorry if this is wrong. I would rather the article were failed for something fixable, like too many non-local sources, than that it lose its chance to be reviewed in time. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:48, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean to suggest something that strong. --Pi zero (talk) 20:51, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I was just trying to be helpful. You can delete those sources if you've already got some in mind. I was giving it a glance, considering to review it, and saw that it was not the latest information. I just didn't want to publish something where the numbers are wrong. If you do not use the sources I listed, definitely delete them. Cheers, --SVTCobra 20:54, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, "flooding" is a so-so way to describe it. If you know the geography there, it is not flat, it is very hilly, so when a stream or river overflows it runs down hills causing mudslides and/or landslides. If you look at some of the news photos, you'll quickly see the difference. --SVTCobra 20:58, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understand you were trying to help; I've had problems understanding how things work here, and the derailment article was a real case of good intentions that just wound up making a mess. As I say, I am unfortunately out of "weekend", but I've done my best, and I reckon if you are indeed open to collaboration, someone else, like Darkfrog, can take the better sources out of the history and use them if it just barely fails. Or I can try tomorrow before the window closes entirely. Thanks for all the help and the willingness to work with me. I've flipped to needing review again. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

I had an unusual happening to deal with at work today. Sorry but I'm not available right now. Good luck. I'll see if I can check in tomorrow. Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:40, 11 January 2018 (UTC) EDIT: Oops. Looks like I wasn't needed. Good! And yes, Yngvadottir is the principal drafter of this article, added the sources, composed the text. I just did some gnoming and added some categories. That level of collaboration is not unusual lately. Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:43, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries. Yngvadottir updated and I reviewed. So this is published already. I hope I have time for the net neutrality article tomorrow. Cheers, --SVTCobra 02:46, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Review of revision 4375044 [Passed]

 * Of course it is possible a source might have gotten lost in the shuffle, that happens too, but, modernly mainstream news sites when covering rapidly developing stories tend to update their stories and, for some reason that defies sanity for all of me, remove some information. (I could see doing that if they were worrying about real-estate on a printed page, but, really.)  --Pi zero (talk) 00:51, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yep, that happens, too. But if Yngva replied quickly that yes there was another source, we could plausibly add it back in. But whatever, Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:54, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * There's one news site that changes which article you see at the URL. The permalink has to be added after they assign one. Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:41, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for passing it nonetheless! I'll go back and read the diffs of your changes when I have time; just got up, have to prepare for work. It was the KTLA source: from the URL you can see that I was using a version from Tuesday evening (version 3 if I read the URL right); they've updated it on Wednesday. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:40, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Sister twister
As I write this, the image I uploaded to Commons for this article is now the main image for Wikipedia's "In The News". Also, the link back to this article that I added to 2018 Southern California mudflows is still there! (I am sure, eventually, somebody will remove it). I consider this a victory, however small it may be. --SVTCobra 12:43, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

 * OhConfucius and their notorious scripts would also remove the template automatically, and Tom Morris is keeping track of Wikinews links. That user is going against the policy of supporting sister projects, and if that happens, Tom Morris said they might help in that situation. •–• 12:54, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

 * Well, for what it's worth, my Wikinews link on George Weah is still up after 18 days, as is my Wikinews link on Echo Arena Liverpool (14 days). So combined with this, it's at least 3 links back to Wikinews. It can't hurt to try, right? Every little bit helps. --SVTCobra 14:45, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

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Please add Category:Mudslides to this. Heavy Water (talk) 22:25, 25 July 2023 (UTC)


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I feel that if 'Tabby's star' was actually being blocked by a structure big enough to do so, we would have seen/detected radio waves, electromagnetic pulses, that sort of thing


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Thread:Comments:Mysterious dimming of Tabby's star likely due to space dust, not alien superstructures, say scientists/I thought so./reply

Maybe. But it can be hard to know how to look for something without actually knowing what it looks like. We don't have any examples of civilizations much more advanced than our own, so how should we know what they typically look like? I see Boyajian saying "whatever is passing between us and the star is not opaque, as would be expected from a planet or alien megastructure", and I think, who says an alien megastructure would be opaque? What proportion of the alien megastructures you've seen were opaque? (Though the scientists can be expected to exercise caution, whereas the mainstream press has tended to characterize the scientific conclusion as "definitely not an alien megastructure".)


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Thread:Comments:Israel issues travel ban on 20 non-government organizations over pro-Palestinian boycotts/ISRAEL IS BANNING THESE 20 BDS GROUPS FROM ENTERING IT'S COUNTRY-I SAY, "BRAVO TO ISRAEL" FOR TAKING A STAND! 1/10/18

These restrictions by Israel are a breath of fresh air and long overdue in coming! All those are condemning Israel and causing it hardship by having this BDS movement ought not be allowed to tender the delights of this country since they are doing Israel harm. It's like not allowing people in that have diseases which could spread such as what Obama allowed in when the Ebola epidemic ran rampant but we all know that Obama is a devout Muslim and his racial preferences come well before and in front of the safety of the USA. These groups will be missing out on the latest technology and the new and glorious fashions as well as everything else that emanates from within an advanced and modern society but it wont matter since these people are focused only on hate-mongering and fanatical ideologies which overshadows anything of value as far as medicine, technology, inventions, cultural edibles, clothing and much more are concerned. They are like the radical Muslims whose main concern in life is domination, subjugation of others, violence, slavery, mutilation, perversion towards children and women, murdering innocents and the like that take up their cloak of thinking and daily activities instead of focusing on humanitarian needs or advancement in science in any way shape or form. The BDS movements are the stagnant and extremely uninformed groups that have their historical facts all mixed up to suit their needs but still, their perceptions of the Palestinian problem is abnormal; then again, abnormality seems to reign rampant among the ignorant and the biased and that's a "given!" To do a BDS against a free country who aid other countries and has helped even their deadly hostile Muslim neighbors surrounding them when they are in need of medical assistance, as well as giving them supplies even though the UN gives them billions each year and it goes to their Islamic terrorist organization(s) to come back and kill innocent Israeli's and others, only shows that the Irish, American, French and other BDS groups have no interest in creating peace through dialogue. No, only to flex their money in arms that do not reach out for peace or harmony in any way. They are the financial fascists and who wants "folk" like them in their country if they only mean you harm?! Not I!!!!!


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NSFW/PAL/Explicit content
(Suitable for policy intersection proposal) Though Wikinews is not censored, I don't think there is a problem having a "not safe for work" tag for media which contains obscene material, foul language, or things of similar kind. Considering the "Video of Pricasso painting the Jimmy Wales portrait" linked in the external link section of Wikinews interviews painter Pricasso on his art and freedom of expression, which I saw at the age of seventeen, it is best to notify the readers about it before-hand. They might save themselves from embarrassing situations if someone sees them watching it. •–• 22:18, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * What constitutes obscenity varies between cultures. --Pi zero (talk) 23:34, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * by any definition, a meat spin is obscene. 223.237.211.140 (talk) 04:24, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Usage of non-free media for ComicCon articles
NOTE: "free media" includes all Creative Commons license (NC, ND, etc.)

Cosplay is not consent -- whenever we take photos of people in a Comic Con or fan expo, we are supposed to tell them their photos might be published on XYZ news org. However, there is a question about personality rights. Taking permission to photograph and using on a news org is not sufficient condition since they are not told about the license we would use to release their photos. Ethically, we should make sure personality rights are not violated and hence I used a ND license for the photos I took at 2017 Bangalore ComicCon. However, there can be a problem. ND license does not limit reuse, their photos can be reused, even for commercial purposes. This violates personality rights -- if we did not inform them about it. I was accompanied with my cousin, and we had informed the cosplayers that we would use it for Wikinews and can be reused by anyone for any purpose but without modification.

But do you really think a cosplayer can possible understand [the complications, their rights, licensing conditions...etc.] in the 10-15 seconds consent? I know Wikinews content should allow reuse and all that project mission. But the primary focus of Wikinews is to provide free news. It may be redistributed, which we can not control [some articles are redistributed, some are not], but that is not the primary focus. And as a news org, we must not violate an individual's rights.

So, it is definitely not sufficient to ask, "May I take your photo? But please note that it might be published on Wikinews. Hm?" They would not think about other places their photos can be used, for the unspecified reasons. Of course we can specify how the images can be used while taking the permission, but doing it alone for 300 photos -- there will be at least one person would would not have understood it -- remember that not everyone is aware of their rights, what happens on internet, how disasterous the license can be...

TL;DR what about the situation: you allow a photographer to use your photo on XYZ news site, but you later find the same photo on PornHub, and they are making money out of it, violating your rights? Now think about being that photographer and now facing legal battle.

Just informing people about how it will be used is not sufficient. Considering the ethics, we must make sure they understand what it means.

So what are the thoughts about allowing non-free media for Comic Con and Fan Expos?

note: I asked every single person for their consent, and current license is with respect to what they have agreed for.

Of course one should read the TnC before hitting "I agree", but journalists are not websites. Ethics kicks in and we should not only inform, but also ensure they understand the terms before saying "yes".

PS: I also noticed media reporters taking photos without permission.

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It seems likely this would strengthen international anti-Israeli sentiment. Its effect on Israeli internal politics may be more complex; the Internet tends to create linkage between internal and external communities (though that too can be quite complex).


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Here is a sequence of major steps I envision on the way to realizing the potential of the dialog tools.

 * 1) Implement the dialog tools themselves, the wiki markup primitives enabling community-grown interactive pages.  Much of this is complete, though as a whole it's open-ended.
 * 2) * The current in-progress task here is making them work right with non-ascii characters, a pseudo-bug-fix showing itself quite recalcitrant.
 * 3) * Early on, it seemed major additions to the dialog tools might take the form of additional actions, so that one would not be forever tinkering with existing javascript files but instead writing new ones. Some deep thought might be given to long-term directly of development on the tools, although after several years of getting them working at all it seems we'd be better off concentrating on later stages for a while (since it's the later stuff, built on top of the tools, that makes the tools valuable).
 * 4) Devise conventions, using the dialog tools, whereby templates can request context-sensitive information beyond the parameters explicitly provided by the wiki markup of the page.  None of this information would be provided when viewing the page directly; but a dialog-based page could be used to view the page, which would detect these requests and provide some context-sensitive information through additional template parameters added to the view on-the-fly.
 * 5) Devise conventions, using the aforementioned request mechanism, whereby pages can suggest assistants based on context.
 * 6) Develop an assistant for growing and maintaining assistants.  Some important, human-oriented design principles need to be systematically nurtured by the meta-assistant in the assistants that it helps to grow.
 * 7) * Exceptions to common behavioral patterns need to be supported gracefully, both in the moment and going forward (for example, one oughtn't allow an exception but then constant re-litigate the point, asymmetrically and without reference to the earlier decision until one finds someone willing to eliminate the exception in order to make the assistant shut up).
 * 8) * Assistants need to provide the user with holistic context, whereby to recognize situational motivations for exceptions.
 * 9) * When situations arise where the user may wish to elaborate or otherwise improve the behavior of an assistant they're running, they should be able to temporarily suspend what they're doing in order to use the meta-assistant, straightforwardly propose behavioral alterations (which must always be documented in a way that is both human-readable and meta-assistant-manageable, even-or-especially when the behavior is itself outside norms), and possibly resume what they were doing.
 * 10) Use the meta-assistant to begin growing various assistants, for tasks such as reviewing articles, writing articles, curating articles, opening and closing nominations, archiving discussions, etc.

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You do know that Obama hasn't been the President for more than a year, right? You do know he went to a Catholic school when he was in Indonesia, right? You do understand that if he wanted to start an Ebola epidemic in USA, he would not have quarantined people who were infected, right? Your post seems to be the one that is focused on hate mongering. Reading your post, it makes me laugh that you have the audacity to call anyone ignorant. Cheers. Hope you are happy in your state of mind.


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Hello. You tagged this page earlier today for speedy deletion within a minute of it being created. Whilst it was undoubtedly a test, the fact it contained all the essential elements of a new article (see New page) should have meant it was not a candidate for speedy deletion. The user appears to have made no other edits or attempted edits. It suggests the user may have clicked on the "Write an article" link and tried to follow the instructions there. This is something we want to encourage new users to do, a little like the sandbox. Could we please avoid tagging such pages for speedy deletion in future? There is no harm in leaving such pages for a few hours in case the user returns to try to write an article. [24Cr][talk] 18:56, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

 * To be honest what prompted me to tag the page was the title+content, not the content itself which made it look like a clearly problematic page. But of course I can refrain from tagging test pages for deletion in the future. KonstantinaG07 (talk) 19:02, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Not all test pages though. If a page contains only a develop tag, a date and a sources tag, these should be left for the proposed deletion method, which can take at least six days. If the page doesn't contain these tags, I'd prefer it if you have them a gap of at least an hour (fir example) before tagging for speedy. I'd rather have a new user taking time to work out what they're doing rather than being disheartened by a page disappearing within minutes. [24Cr][talk] 19:20, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Understandable. I am not much familiar with the procedures myself, got it in swviewer queue, I will keep that in mind for the future, thank you for the feedback. Out of curiosity though, do pages with this short of titles need to be left for proposed deletion? KonstantinaG07 (talk) 19:24, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * In any case, I apologize for the disruption caused, was not intended, will keep your feedback in mind. KonstantinaG07 (talk) 19:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

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Tasks in step 5
"Use the meta-assistant to begin growing various assistants, for tasks such as reviewing articles, writing articles, curating articles, opening and closing nominations, archiving discussions, etc." Can these tasks perhaps be detailed? Would any of these tasks became available gradually throughout the development, or are they all only available at the end? --Gryllida (talk, chat) 19:41, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Details for steps 1-4
Perhaps steps 1-4 could be given a specification, so that a beginner (perhaps someone who is an experienced web developer elsewhere who is willing to put effort into applying their JavaScript knowledge to the dialog tools) can implement them based on a provided detailed description. --Gryllida (talk, chat) 19:41, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Data storage
What storage is available to dialog tools? Is it limited to creating pages on-wiki and populating them with a format of interest, such as comma separated values, plain text, JSON, etc? How would such pages be available to a contributor while being protected from vandalism? --Gryllida 04:52, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The tools themselves, as they use javascript session storage, are a bit less fragile than some of the devices I've used for review. One should be able, for example, to navigate away from a dialog view, hit the "back" button on one's browser, and have the dialog view recreated correctly.  Dialog can sometimes be faster than directly browsing the wiki since it may do less interacting with the server, and affords a degree of privacy since session storage isn't on the public wiki.
 * For permanent storage — surviving across multiple browser sessions — one would have to save something onto a wiki page. This of course is not private, takes more time for the greater interaction with the server, and consumes wiki resources (permanently, since once it's on the wiki it's there forever).  For anti-vandalism, if the information is stashed on a dedicated page, the tools already have a device for looking at page history, so one might detect possible tampering by checking to see whether the most recent edit was by the current user.  (Page history is used in the "submit for review" tool, to determine who created the article, double-checking that the user really meant to do this if the user is not logged in while the article was created by a registered user.)
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Category talk:Mozilla Firefox

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Web browser Firefox increases market share in Europe

New version of Firefox browser released

New version of Firefox web browser released

Mozilla, Internet Explorer adopt universal RSS symbol

Major security flaws found in Mozilla Firefox browser

Security flaws in Mozilla Firefox internet browser fixed

Firefox 1.0 Internet Browser released by Mozilla Foundation

Mozilla to fix Firefox security hole in patch

Firefox browser reaches fifty million downloads

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 * This is not a category. But we do have Category:Mozilla --SVTCobra 22:09, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello and thank you for your quick response SVTCobra. This is a proposed category in response to this. Perhaps it can be created since there is more than 5 articles on the topic. --Gryllida (talk, chat) 22:12, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, but you created this in the article space, not the category space. Anyone can create a new category. Admins are needed for populating the archive. I did see that list. I don't agree with it in principle. Pi zero is of a different mindset. But do we really need categories for Mozilla and Mozilla Firefox? --SVTCobra 22:17, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Renamed this to category talk space. Interesting question, turns out that 15 out of 19 pages listed at Category:Mozilla are Firefox-related. Perhaps a separate category is not needed. --Gryllida (talk, chat) 22:22, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Firefox is pretty much Mozilla's only product of note, that's why. But if you are going to do this, I hope you set up the Category:Mozilla Firefox page with all the customary sister link boxes, etc., etc. --SVTCobra 22:26, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Since most of the pages seem to be about Firefox, perhaps best to create a category redirect? Green Giant (talk) 22:38, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * We've always avoided category redirects; I've had bad experiences with them, and it turned out bawolff (back when he was still active here) had too. But I see no reason we can't have both categories; our infrastructure should make it easy enough to maintain.  --Pi zero (talk) 23:23, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Just like how Skype != Microsoft; Mozilla Firefox != Mozilla. Number of articles has nothing to do with the existence of a sub-category separate from parent. •–• 20:19, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

 * FWIW, 18 of the 19 have to do with Firefox. 15 is the number of times Firefox makes it into the title. --SVTCobra 19:52, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * not good enough not to have a separate, more focused category. 223.237.217.109 (talk) 20:13, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Your opinion is noted. It's just that with every new category, we need to go through the archives again and populate them. In my opinion, we should be more focused on getting news stories published. And now that I've done my civic duty and helped clear some of the backlog, that's where I'll focus my energy. Cheers, --SVTCobra 22:01, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * This is a concern I have with the template fill this category. Although I am quit pleased that template w has made maintenance of categories far more practicable, and allows us to greatly fill out our category hierarchy gradually, over time so that a noticeably higher proportion of wikilinks are now local, I have deliberately been slow in creating these new categories, not to allow it to starve the activities of review and tool development.  Template fill this category makes me uncomfortable because it could increase the weight of category-creation/population relative to other activities.  --Pi zero (talk) 22:47, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

The above discussion has revealed that if this category is created, the list of articles is incomplete. --SVTCobra 20:13, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

I support creation of this. Mozilla does a lot of stuff outside of Firefox--Rust, Thunderbird, general activism and work on standards--so this is a very appropriate category. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:35, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

 * ✅ I also didn't add the Thunderbird article that alluded to Firefox. --Pi zero (talk) 03:38, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

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Hi user:bawolff,

Thank you taking note of our copyright poilicy and checking for permission to use these images. I have looked at the stories and agree that it would be great to keep the images in the archived articles. So please do go ahead and re-link the images to the articles. thanks again for your request.

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Turkey: Aircraft skids off runway toward Black Sea

January 15, 2018 Saturday afternoon, a commercial aircraft skidded off the runway at in Turkey. The airplane, which carried over 160 passengers and crew, had just landed when it left the runway and went down a cliff, where it stopped, perilously close to the Black Sea. The aircraft is a operated by. Provincial governor Yucel Yavuz told the press, everyone was evacuated and no injuries were reported. He announced the airport would be closed until Sunday morning as investigators take a look at the incident. It is unclear why the plane veered off the runway. Photos show the nose of the craft mere meters from the sea on the steep cliff.

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I searched Anadolu's English section, but did not see an article on this incident. Search terms used included "Pegasus", "Trabzon" and "runway". Cheers,--SVTCobra 14:24, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That’s fine then. Most likely it will be reported in Turkish (of which our joint proficiency is likely to rhyme with Nero). Cheers for looking. Green Giant (talk) 14:30, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I find one English-language source (WaPo, I think) saying that the passenger spoke to Sabah, a daily newspaper. In any event, here is the Anadolu report; the name is actually Yüksel Gördü. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:55, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. In any event, both BBC and CBS already attribute to Anadolu, we just passed the attribution along, but glad to see they got it right. I don't really have a problem with the anglicized spelling, this is English Wikinews, after all. Cheers, --SVTCobra 18:02, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Might have just missed 24h deadline
For the second paragraph, there is no mention of the province name. In this case, airport’s name is same as the city and province but it is not always true. A reader should not have to guess the details, and as for context in Wikinews, since archived articles can be used as a source, (let me give an example) if one needs to find Yucel Yavuz was governor of which province, or who was the governor of XYZ province in 2018, it could be helpful. •–• 12:47, 16 January 2018 (UTC)


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British surfers catch more than waves: Scientists find antibiotic-resistant bacteria

January 17, 2018

In findings published Sunday in ', a team from Britain's reports that  and  are roughly three times as likely to house  ' and other bacteria that could easily become resistant, than other people who recreate in the coastal waters of the United Kingdom. The was nicknamed the "". The project was performed on 143 regular surfers, and bodyboarders from around the United Kingdom. Each surfgoing participant was asked to recruit a non-surfing friend of the same sex and approximate age and who lived in the same part of the country to serve as a control, which resulted in a of 130.

All participants mailed in rectal swabs, and the researchers cultured the E. coli from those samples with a common antibiotic called. The antibiotic failed to kill the bacteria in about 9% (13 out of 143) of surfer and bodyboarder samples and 3% of the samples from the control group (4 out of 130). A deeper look into the genomes of the specific strains of bacteria found in the study volunteers showed that bacteria from surfers were four times as likely to possess genes that can be transferred from one bacterial strain to another, which can help antibiotic-susceptible bacteria become resistant. The study also involved examination of water samples from the coasts of England and Wales to estimate the risk of surfers and other beachgoers ingesting E. coli.

E. coli is a regular resident in the guts of humans and other animals. Most strains are harmless but others can cause serious disease. Like other bacteria, E. coli can undergo, swapping genes from one bacterium to another. This can give the altered strain the ability to cause disease, survive in the presence of antibiotics or both.

Although the researchers expressed concern surfers might spread dangerous bacteria, Dr. Will Gaze, the University of Exeter Medical School professional who supervised the project, urged people not to avoid the beach: "We are not seeking to discourage people from spending time in the sea, an activity which has a lot of benefits in terms of exercise, well-being and connecting with nature", he said. "It is important that people understand the risks involved so that they can make informed decisions about their bathing and sporting habits. We now hope that our results will help policy-makers, beach managers, and water companies to make evidence-based decisions to improve water quality even further for the benefit of public health." David Smith, science and policy officer of, which helped organise the volunteers, agreed the study was not meant to discourage surfing: "Water quality in the UK has improved vastly in the past 30 years and is some of the cleanest in Europe. Recognising coastal waters as a pathway for antibiotic resistance can allow policy makers to make changes to protect water users and the wider public from the threat of antibiotic resistance."

One of the principal findings of this work was that existing methods may have been underestimating the prevalence of these bacteria in seawater. Previous studies have shown that even designated swimming beaches can be affected by runoff from farms or even sewage, and surfers swallow roughly ten times as much seawater as swimmers. Professor Colin Gardner of the charity Antibiotic Research UK says, these forms of runoff can have even higher concentrations of antibiotics than patients undergoing antibiotic treatment. "Research into new medicines to replace our archaic antibiotics has stagnated and unless new treatments are found, this could be potentially devastating for human health", he warns.

The World Health Organization has reported that because so many kinds of bacteria are gaining resistance to common medicines, conditions such as and  may become more difficult to treat and have higher rates of sickness and death. Doctors often prescribe preventative antibiotics to patients undergoing surgery or radiation therapy, and this may also be impacted. Professor, England's , has described a "post-antibiotic apocalypse" scenario

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As always, collaboration is welcome. I will spare you some of the other delightful puns available for this subject. Darkfrog24 (talk) 16:35, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I listed the Mayo Clinic source last because its content is almost certainly the oldest. NBD to me if anyone wants to move it. Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:37, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

No paywall, no problem
I just added content straight from the study. I provided tags saying which part of the study each fact came from, but ping me if you need further translation from science-ese. You may find the non-pdf link easier to work with: Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:14, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * One important point: Early on in the study, they say something like "we examined samples from surfers, bodyboarders and body surfers, hereafter referred to as 'surfers.'" Establishing a for-this-paper-only definition is normal for scientific studies. So if you look at a later part of the study and see "surfers," remember that they mean all three groups of people. Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:40, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

"Beach Bum" pun
Not offended if anyone deletes the line about the meaning of the words in the survey name but it strikes me as something an international reader might not know. Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:06, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I generally think English speakers would be familiar regardless of where in the world. I don't know how much we are supposed to cater to people with limited English skills. But that's just my opinion. It's probably not taught in schools. --SVTCobra 15:52, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * FYI, I hid all the dictionary stuff and added a Wiktionary link. If readers complain, we can probably unhide. It just really broke up the flow of the article. I'd rather not mention the nickname than have all that stuff in there. But the nickname is "official" and not just in the press. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:44, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Limits of the study
Should we highlight that the study is limited? Per the study's methodology: "97 bathing water samples from England and Wales were analysed." It is entirely possible there's something going on in the waters of England and Wales and that global surfers are not as much at risk. Cheers, --SVTCobra 15:52, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The text now explicitly states that all samples were collected from the United Kingdom. Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:26, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

When?
Day word in lede? --Pi zero (talk) 16:08, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * "Sunday." Did someone delete it? Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:20, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Nope. There it is: "In findings published Sunday in Environmental International." Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:20, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Doh. --Pi zero (talk) 01:02, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

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 * I recall acagastya objected at some point (validly) that a reviewer can't assume, just because information occurs in one place to which their attention has been directed, that there isn't something else somewhere else in the sources that the reviewer ought to discover that will cast doubt, or at least a different light, on the information. That's true, of course; but, yeah, it seems to me too that those annotations, used with due caution, can be quite helpful in moving things along.  --Pi zero (talk) 01:58, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree. But an article, such as this, will ultimately rely on the primary source, which is the study itself. The study is the event, the subject, the center of the article. To know where to look within it is helpful. There is no way around that. I do welcome a second pair of eyes. I spent two hours on the review, but I am not an epidemiologist. Wikinews is, after all, not a . Cheers, --SVTCobra 02:09, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * BTW, I suppressed what I saw as going too far to explain "Beach bum". Thoughts? --SVTCobra 02:11, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * There's precedent for it. I spelled out the meanings of "pro-life" and "pro-choice" in an article about the March for Life last year even though most native speakers already know them.  Two out of three Wikinewsies were of the opinion that a line to the effect of "Ramjan is another name for Ramadan" would have improved an article about a murdered teenager.  I got some complaints for not spelling out the meaning of "faithless elector" even though there was plenty of context.
 * Speaking from my own experience, "bum" meaning "rear end" is not something we say in the U.S. (We say "butt.") I can bet there are plenty of Americans who wouldn't realize that "Beach Bum" was meant to be understood both ways, even though they'd probably figure out what "bum" means in other contexts that don't have a more obvious meaning ready to go. Darkfrog24 (talk) 03:02, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah? If I told you to "Go stick it up your bum, ya bum!" I am pretty sure you'd understand both meanings regardless of the side of the Atlantic or Pacific Oceans. /joke --SVTCobra 03:32, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the joke. I wasn't around for the examples you cite. But I didn't delete your work, it can be restored. --SVTCobra 03:36, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Heh. I only mean that because Americans are likely to know what a "beach bum" is, they might think that that's the only thing the study name means. Darkfrog24 (talk) 04:23, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Regarding possible mistakes: "we know the exact number: 143 (no need to say "about 150")" I chose "about 150" because "recruited" can mean more than one thing in this context. The project actually recruited 389 people and 154 surfers but did not use the samples from all of them. This is normal for studies performed on humans. If you look at Figure 2 in the study (section 3.3), they spell out who was excluded and why. Darkfrog24 (talk) 03:17, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, since we don't mention why anyone was excluded (and we certainly don't mention the numbers you just now brought up, which also are very exact), it seems we can assume the reader will understand that 143 was the number of subjects in the study, anyway. --SVTCobra 03:32, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Let me ask you directly: Did I mangle the article so much that it should not have been published in its current form? --SVTCobra 03:45, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Probably not. But you raised the possibility that you could have made a mistake, which I interpreted as an invitation to talk about possible mistakes.  I also interpreted your comments as an invitation to provide you with some information about how technical studies like this work.
 * We wouldn't say why subjects were excluded or even that they were excluded because that's how the system always works. It's like a jury in a trial: In most Wikinews articles about trials, we don't explicitly say that exactly twelve people were selected from a larger pool of people called up for jury duty who underwent voir dire or go into why the others were excused because that's how the system always works.  We'd only get into jury selection or study participant selection if the point of the Wikinews article was to discuss the methodology, such as if they made the news for having flawed selection methods. Darkfrog24 (talk) 04:23, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Just to state the obvious, if there are fixes/improvements wanted, they should be submitted as edits for review sooner rather than later, since we only have 24 hours after publication before our only recourse would be to issue a correction. --Pi zero (talk) 03:56, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Unlike Israeli Health minister Ya'akov Litzman resigns in protest after Jews made to work on Jewish rest day, that article did not have much to do with Ramzaan, and mentioning "Islamic holy month" was more than sufficient. And the thing you were asked to explain was due to the fact that not all democracies have two major parties, and its affect for the story; story's affect to the ongoing event was strong. Regarding the spelling, why don't you say anything for Mysuru/Bengaluru/Mumbai/Navi Mumbai/Odisha? •–• 16:28, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean that article; I meant the one in which the teenage girl was kidnapped on her way back from religious services. I think it might have aged out. Darkfrog24 (talk) 20:08, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I am aware of what article you are saying -- I can even tell you when I wrote that, I have the documentation. The thing is: for that article, Ramzaan's significance to understand or interpret the story was not much, unlike mention of Shabbath for that Israeli transport minister article. •–• 22:14, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

 * Please take the LOLCOW debate elsewhere. This is not the proper forum. Thank you. --SVTCobra 20:17, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
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BBC newsreader Alagiah to undergo treatment for bowel cancer

January 16, 2018 BBC newsreader has been diagnosed with bowel cancer for the second time in just under four years and is due to receive treatment, according to his agent, Mary Greenham, who said he was "in discussions with his medical team about treatment options and the way forward".

In a statement yesterday, Sri-Lankan-born Alagiah, 62, said, "My brilliant doctors are determined to get me back to a disease-free state and I know they have the skill to do just that. [...] I learned last time around how important the support of family and friends is and I am blessed in that department. I genuinely feel positive as I prepare for this new challenge."

He later posted on, saying it was "tough dealing with disappointment", though he "[a]lways knew the cancer could come back".

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Hejsa. Han er ikke journalist. Alagiah is a presenter/news reader. He didn't even study journalism at university. Could you make those fixes before we do a review? Thanks, --SVTCobra 18:37, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Hej! Thanks for dropping by. I know he didn't do journalism at University (he studied Politics), but even Wikipedia describes him as a "journalist", stating that he's previously had work in print journalism with "South Magazine". He moved to working with the BBC in 1989 and was their Developing World correspondent working from London, then Southern Africa correspondent working from Johannesburg.  I'd say he has ample experience as a journalist to be called one. Even the BBC refer to him as such! Thoughts? DaneGeld (talk) 18:46, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Måske gør de det. The word journalist does not appear in either source. Wikipedia calls him a presenter four times in the lede paragraph of his bio. Det er mine tanker. --SVTCobra 18:53, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * True. But Wikipedia calls him a journalist in the very first line of his bio. "George Maxwell Alagiah OBE (/ˌæləˈɡaɪə/ born 22 November 1955) is a British newsreader, journalist and television news presenter." - I guess I'll change it though, so we can get this out and running. DaneGeld (talk) 18:57, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * This is an easy fix. Let's just call him what the sources call him.  Quick and dirty search: This Guardian article does not call him a journalist, preferring "newsreader" (and also "star").  The BBC doesn't say "journalist," preferring "newsreader." The Sun calls him "presenter," but it also says "He joined the BBC in 1989 after seven years in print journalism." So this could go either way.  I say play it safe and say "presenter" and elsewhere in the article something to the effect of "spent years in journalism" if you feel the need.  There are lots of sources on this out today. If you find a good one that says "journalist" explicitly, then I can get behind it in this article. Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:58, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Does the Wikipedia article cite a source that calls him "journalist"? Just use that one. Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:01, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I've changed it already, to newsreader in the article, and the title of the page. As you say, the Guardian calls him newsreader, the BBC call him newsreader, I just want to get it sorted. Feel free to contrib if you want to add anything else prior to review :) DaneGeld (talk) 19:02, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That's probably the best choice. The context makes it very clear that he's at least involved in journalism.  He might be a journalist, but the sources think that the fact he's a newsreader is more important, maybe because it's more specific. Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:21, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

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 * is this the article you were telling me, with the WN:When problem? •–• 11:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * BBC for headline -- I don't think it is globally known, there are some Asian companies with that abbr. Could be their news reader. •–• 11:09, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is the one that had the when problem. Re BBC.  To clear away one issue, the initialism is proper here, as (like "NASA") it's much better known in short form than long form.  It's pretty prominent, I wouldn't think there'd really be much of a problem with the usage, in practice; and it has enough global presence that it could be awkward to qualify by place, especially since the person is of primary interest here.  Imho it's not too dire, in this particular case, keeping in mind that headlines aren't always perfectly unambiguous (that's the lede's job).  Is there an alternative?  I suppose one could specify country instead of network in the headline; at first consideration, either approach seems workable to me.  --Pi zero (talk) 14:57, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, what if instead of BBC, the newsreader was of ABC? American/Australian/Albanian? •–• 16:06, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Albanian? That one's surely less globally recognized, wouldn't you think?  Certainly "ABC" is a know source of confusion, though; we have a redirect BBC to the British thing, but our ABC is a disambiguation page.  --Pi zero (talk) 16:25, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Mentioned Albanian for a reason [consider it like the analogy of Benin] -- the question is, how would have one dealt with if one of the two "well known" [now that is like Wikipedia's style of saying] ABC's were INT. •–• 16:38, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * FFS: BBC is globally known brand whether you think it or not. But maybe, just maybe, we should point out that it's not a reference to "Big Black Cocks" as referred to in the pornography industry. Yes, let's put that on the disambiguation page. --SVTCobra 16:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Peace. If we've thought about it before it happens, we're more prepared when it does.  --Pi zero (talk) 16:55, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Rule 34 always prevails. --SVTCobra 17:01, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Or at least an exception would tend to disappear when observed. At any rate, we don't need a disambiguation page to distinguish the British Broadcasting Corporation from another "BBC" that doesn't have three published articles in our archives to support a category.  --Pi zero (talk) 17:09, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Do you know about that teacher in Manila? Many would know about BBC, but that Filipino teacher may think it could be Banahaw Broadcasting Corporation .By the way, your comment strengthens my argument that Wikinews articles are primarily for the first world countries, and not for global audience. [Similarly, more than a billion people knows what Ganga is, or what Ramzaan is, yet who was the one lashed out for the usage?] Japan is another first world nation, and there is Biwako Broadcasting Co. There are significant number of BBC's well known in their countries. There is a political party in India with the abbr. BBC. Do not take things for granted. I can think of dozens of people who would not know what BBC is or what it stands for. Do not forget that not everyone has access to all the facilities that you have, at the same price. Yet a pedophile thinks a phallus would have a newsreader. Re-read the healdline, and it might be perfect candidate for Whackynews. Also, isn't a news article snapshot of time, and per that philosophy, if someone from the future reads the article, would they know what BBC is? It might have reduced to nothing, in the future, just like EIC. East India Company was a very famous, but it would be surprising if they think of it as soon as they hear EIC. (They would probably think it is a typo, and should be LIC, or maybe it is East India Comedy -- the busch of "stand-up comedians") •–• 22:01, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't claim this headline is perfect, nor do I claim there mightn't be a way to improve on it (for future articles). What I'm missing is a really good way to do it that is clearly better in every respect.  Saying "UK newsreader Alagiah..." (or "British", or the like) would be less specific, so that's not perfect either.  --Pi zero (talk) 23:16, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know. I am not saying this one is not acceptable, but I am interested to know how anyone will tackle if there were companies like ABC, which causes confusion. And maybe our off-wiki discussion about headline in general also helps us understand what we are aiming for. [AIM -- probability of a 90's kid, or average USian knowing it is high, but some years later, it would be obscure] •–• 23:21, 17 January 2018 (UTC)


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United States: State of Hawaii criticized by head of Federal Communications Commission over incoming missile alert mistake

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On Sunday, the head of the U.S. (FCC),, described the erroneous alert, sent on Saturday, warning of an imminent nuclear missile strike, as an "absolutely unacceptable" mistake by the Emergency Management Agency of the state of Hawaii. He emphasized that the FCC would "focus on what steps need to be taken to prevent a similar incident from happening again."

At 8:07 am local time on Saturday, the (HI-EMA) sent out the following alert: "BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." It appeared on people's mobile phones throughout the state and caused widespread panic. It took 38 minutes for the state to retract the warning, which Pai said made the error worse. , the HI-EMA's administrator, stated that an employee had mistakenly sent out the alert during a test performed at shift change. On Sunday, Cindy McMillan, communications director for state governor, clarified that after accidentally pressing the button to send the alert, the employee had gone on to accidentally confirm the command. Richard Rapoza, spokesperson for HI-EMA, said the employee had since been reassigned. Pai said that FCC analysis of the incident showed that the state had failed to put "reasonable safeguards or process controls" in place to prevent a false alert from being sent. According to The New York Times, the state will now require two people to authorize the issuance of an alert. Also, a "cancellation template" will be created to solve the problem of quickly sending corrections over the mobile phone networks.

Both HI-EMA administrator Miyagi and Hawaii governor Ige apologized for the mistake, with Ige saying "I, too, am extremely upset about this." , a from Hawaii, referred to an "epic failure of leadership" in an interview with ABC News.

Tests by North Korea of missiles that, according to a report in the , could strike Hawaii 20 minutes after launch have heightened tensions in the state. Air raid sirens used in the have been reactivated there.


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Airborne sedan smashes into dental office in Santa Ana, California, US

January 16, 2018

A car accident involving the car occupants and a dentist's office happened on Sunday night in Santa Ana, California. A white Nissan which was apparently driving too fast hit the raised concrete median on the road, after which it was launched into the air, slamming straight into the wall of the second floor of a two-story dental practice building, where the car got wedged.

According to the police, the car approached from a side street. The room of the dental office penetrated by the sedan was used as a storage space. A fire department crane was used to extract the vehicle from the building, which took several hours.

There were two people in the sedan. One of them managed to escape from the hanging vehicle on his own, while the other one remained trapped inside it for over an hour. They were both hospitalized with minor injuries, according to the (OCFA). According to the police, the driver of the car admitted narcotics use, and after toxicology tests the case is to be submitted to the Orange County District Attorney's Office.

The moment of the accident was captured by surveillance video from a bus which the car narrowly missed when becoming airborne.

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Neutrality
We should not be making a subjective judgement that this is bizarre. It's not our place to tell the reader what subjective judgement they should make about it. That's a neutrality violation, and needs fixing. --Pi zero (talk) 13:43, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I've changed the title and the intro now. De Wikischim (talk) 13:46, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

.: single quotes… •–• 13:55, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Good point. --Pi zero (talk) 13:56, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * By the way, first line does not compell me to read the next one—is written like a blog. It should be only Ws and Hs rather than NPOV triggering adjectives. •–• 14:00, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * - Sorry but I don't get at all what you mean with "written like a blog" - there are merely facts which are mentioned now. What according to you should be changed? De Wikischim (talk) 14:03, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I think SVTCobra, or Green Giant should fix the lede, De Wikischim has been struggling with lede for weeks, maybe they would be able to explain De Wikischim about the lede. I remember Bddpaux explained me how to. •–• 14:09, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * De Wikischim; "On Sunday night, a very unusual incident happened" Wikinews should not be saying that, or any news should avoid those set of words. Maybe you should see the revision history of my initial articles—It was hard to get at first but then, Bddpaux did it for me. •–• 14:09, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, car accidents like these do not happen very often, I guess. If it isn't allowed (according to the neutrality policy here) to call it unusual, then which other word choice would you prefer most? De Wikischim (talk) 14:14, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I think you should undelete UEFA Champions League 2014/2015 Bayern Munich 3-2 Barcelona F.C. so that De wikischim can see the revisions, I remember I had not written it in a “news” tone and was bloggish, I guess that might help them. De Wikischim: I would limit the lede to answer Ws and Hs. •–• 14:23, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The lede should get straight to the point, which is to briefly summarize the focal event by succinctly answering as many as possible of the five Ws and an H about it.
 * "Never forget that if you don't hit a newspaper reader between the eyes with your first sentence, there is no need of writing a second one." — .
 * --Pi zero (talk) 14:25, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, I have again re-written the lede, trying to follow "five Ws and an H". With this, I've tried to address "Who?"-question too. However, I still do wonder why it would violate neutrality policy to call a car accident of this kind "unusual", "uncommon" etc. - actually it is uncommon, you just can't deny that. De Wikischim (talk) 15:57, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * My first impression is, that reads pretty well. :-) --Pi zero (talk) 16:04, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

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Maybe mention in title it hit the second story of the building? Because that is the only thing that makes this story unusual. PS I wish we could use the video of it happening under FU. --SVTCobra 18:15, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Hm. Airborne may be more to the point than second story, since it's possible for a building to be e.g. on a hill so that the second story might be at ground level from upslope.  --Pi zero (talk) 18:39, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

 * And similarly, airborne can be 30 cm off the ground. I actually didn't mind it when it said 'flying' because if you saw the video, it flew over another driving car. No big deal. --SVTCobra 19:58, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

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Sorry to be nit picky, but for a long time I had no idea where Santa Ana was (and there may well be other places in the world of the same name). The teaster on the Main Page specifies California, but I still think the headline should clarify that this is in the US. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:54, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * You're quite right, it should. My bad.  --Pi zero (talk)


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