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Here is what I typically do when I review an article. Fwiw, to other reviewers or to writers. I expect to meditate on it myself when considering how to provide semi-automated assistance for review.

Different features of the process shift around in both order and form based on my understanding (both conscious and unconscious) of what's needed. This page is lengthened as it attempts to cover a wide range of different paths a review can take; and even so, the actual range of variation cannot be fully captured. Reviews come along regularly that have some feature I've never seen before. If the discussion here seems heavier on synthesis than OR, that may be because synthesis processing has less scope for its possible variations, and is thus easier to describe in detail.

I do most of review in a web browser that allows me to turn off javascript for all but a of sites; I've found that news sites often contain aggressive javascript that can do bad things to my platform if allowed to run.

Before source-check
I tend to fix problems with headlines early, so as not to forget later.

Rapid not-ready
When an article review leads to a not-ready, one would like the reviewer's time to have been used as efficiently as possible. This does not always mean minimizing time spent, but some kinds of reviewer time and effort are not well spent. Review time on a not-ready review may benefit the article, and may benefit the writer. If the article isn't ever going to get published, extra review time doesn't benefit the article. If the article does later get published, but the extra review time on an earlier, not-ready review goes into addressing details that will get wiped out by revision to address bigger problems, then, again, the extra review time doesn't benefit the article. The writer benefits from knowing sooner about major problems — if, say, there are three major problems with an article, but they only come out one at a time in not-ready reviews, the writer has the extraordinarily frustrating experience of being told there's a problem, fixing it, then being told there's another problem, and fixing that, only to be told there's still another problem. Even if the writer is only going to fix one problem after each review, it's far better that they are told on the first review about all three problems. The writer may benefit slightly from seeing some smaller things fixed early on, but overwhelming the writer with lesser factors may just be distracting and confusing when they need to absorb some major principles first.

I suspect, btw, that warning the first-time writer of all the major problems on the first review may be the single biggest thing that can be done to mitigate how discouraged they are later if their first submission, after multiple rounds of not-ready's, ultimately isn't published. Which is a common pattern. I have dabbled in gently warning people up-front that this can happen, noting that many veteran Wikinewsies lost their first article, but I've never been good at it. Another thing that I think can be very helpful is the note of personal interest demonstrated by leaving a note on the reporter's user talk telling them the review has happened; providing links to the review comments, unless perhaps they say nothing but that it passed, and to the article revision history if there's anything of interest there; and perhaps making some other encouraging personalized remarks. The first such note to a user seems likely the best place to mention the bit about veteran Wikinewsies losing their first article, if one is going to mention it. We have wanted for years to have a review gadget/assistant that helps the reviewer to leave user-talk notes, keeping in mind one really wants some personal touch to each such note rather than a purely automated message. I try to take time to write such notes, though alas by the time I reach the end of a review I tend to be a bit mentally drained and it really would be helpful to have some semi-automation. A generic example might be something like

Some classes of major problems that I try to pick up on first review (of a sincere article):
 * Copyvio. If that's happening, the writer needs to know about it ASAP, because it's going to poison anything they write until they become aware of the issue; even starting a whole new article isn't going to help if they don't know to avoid copyvio.  So even if I can instantly see another reason to not-ready, if I can take the time to check for major copyvio, I do.
 * Failure to demonstrate newsworthiness: failure of the lede to present a well-defined focal event and a sufficiently recent "day" word, and occasionally failure to explain relevance.  (It's unusual for a serious contributor to submit an article about something for which relevance cannot be shown.)
 * Single source. I don't recall any good exposition of the full nuance of this point.  We ask that a synthesis article have two mutually independent trust-worthy sources corroborating the focal event; but then there are some circumstances where one of the two sources may anticipate the event beforehand, while the other bears witness that the event actually happened.  This sort of before/after split is such a rare phenomenon that our treatment of it hasn't had much chance to evolve.  The viability of the before/after arrangement gets harder to defend the more unanticipated detail there is about the event, especially if there's something really surprising about it; easier to defend if it would be difficult to provide a second source from after the fact.  A notable case was this article about a court case in Iran, which was refreshed via a single source; as I recall, the outcome was expected though the exact date was not, and there weren't going to be droves of independent sources out of Iran.
 * Large-scale violations of neutrality, especially editorializing. Inadequate attribution isn't usually something I'd not-ready for unless it's quite extensive or intractable, or combined with a bunch of other things — a problem of that sort if small enough for the reviewer to fix without disqualifying themself would either be fixed, if it seemed the article might pass with the repair (keeping in mind, if one knows about a problem and leaves it for later, there's some risk of forgetting to take care of it later), or would be mentioned when not-ready'ing for other things.

Preliminary copyvio check
At some point before the in-depth source-check, I may use automated tools to help me check for copyvio. (Clarification: copyvio is a, covering both actual copyright violation, and plagiarism; this preliminary check is low-level, for passages that are effectively copied from sources rather than presenting the information in an original way.)  There are two forms this might take.

 * Sometimes I'll choose a passage (perhaps one or two dozen words) and do a google search on it (a general search of the Internet). The point is to try to determine that the material is copied from a probably-undeclared source.  Failure to file such a match isn't decisive.

 * Just when to do this is a matter of intuition. It's much more likely to be appropriate if there are no sources provided, but if something feels suspicious it may be a good idea to do this anyway.  In my experience most copying is done without malice; however, rarely I've encountered astoundingly malicious individuals, and reviewers should always indulge their suspicions because the ability to intuit that something doesn't feel right is part of the value of having human reviewers.  A common pattern in cases of copying is that a first-time contributor submits very clean news copy that doesn't follow idiosyncrasies of English Wikinews house style; though of course this pattern also occurs with experienced writers, especially but not exclusively experienced journalists.  Sometimes a desire to do this sort of check comes up later in the review, during source-check; information in an article that oddly mismatches the cited sources may suggest a source was (practically always either accidentally or by misunderstanding) left off the list, or that a source changed after the writer consulted it (sadly commercial news sites often don't limit their changes to increasing how much they inform their readers), or that the writer drew from Wikipedia (requiring a copyvio check and explanations).

 * Which passage to use for this sort of search is also something of an art. It's a lot of trouble to go to if it's not going to turn up a match, so one really wants to choose a passage especially likely to reveal an existing problem.  The lede may be more likely to be customized for the Wikinews submission, so a match may be more likely elsewhere; maybe.  Certain kinds of phrases may be particularly suspicious.  After failing to get a match on one passage I may rethink how I chose the passage and try again.

 * Often I'll use dupdet to compare the submitted article to each listed source. (Rarely I have also used dupdet to compare listed sources to each other, to help understand to what degree the sources have a common source behind them.)

 * This is a labor-intensive process, because the matches found by the tool include both false positives and false negatives. Direct quotes can produce long verbatim matches that aren't significant (if it's something that was direct-quoted by the source); but then a direct quote that's copied along with its surrounding unquoted context may be a problem; and of course putting too much or too little of the text within quotation marks further complicates things.  A relatively generic passage that's just a bit over-length (the rule of thumb is fewer than four consecutive words) may be nothing if the surrounding context is unrelated, while a series of related passages separated by synonym substitutions could be a major copyvio.  Occasionally I've discovered an entire lengthy sentence copied from source, with superficial scuffing up that doesn't mitigate the plagiarism problem, based on the clue of a two- or three-word sequence noted by dupdet; a situation where a human being can recognize a major problem that automation is oblivious to because the human being knows what the text means.

 * I do this sort of check a large fraction of the time, these days (except, of course, when dupdet has crashed). It may be useful with experienced writers as well as unknowns, since it covers flubs as well as misunderstandings — though there are some experienced writers who are known to be very unlikely to make this kind of flub, for whom it may be a poor use of reviewer time.   It is, in any case, not a reliable way to pick up all such problems, and I not-infrequently notice similarity-to-source problems later, by unassisted human pattern-recognition during the in-depth source check — so that this automation-assisted preliminary check doesn't catch everything, and there's a likelihood of catching problems later even without it.  Advantages of the pre-check include catching such problems earlier, before investing a great deal of effort into a review that fails for copyvio further downstream in the process; and giving me greater confidence because I have two different ways to catch copyvio (assisted and manual) instead of just one (manual).

Set up scratch copy
I almost always set up a copy of the article that I can mark up to keep track of what I have and haven't done in the review.

When I first started reviewing, I used Special:ExpandTemplates for this. The interface was clumsy, but I found it could be made to work, at least to keep track of which text passages had not yet been examined. Later, User:Bawolff provided a simple gadget that allowed the superficial appearance of a page to be modified by editing text and by shading particular passages with different background colors; the main disadvantage of that was that if one ever left the page for any reason, such as accidentally clicking on a link, the entire state of the page was instantly lost; but I used that for years, until tinkering with the interface by the devs caused the gadget to cease working. By the time the gadget failed, I'd advanced far enough with the dialog tools to construct a breadboard, which has a more ergonomic interface (for my purposes) than Special:ExpandTemplates, and holds its state better than the gadget had. Since I'd learned from the gadget how useful shading can be during review, nowadays I use background color, which is tolerably usable.

If the copyvio pre-check turns up so big a problem that there's no need to keep detailed track of the problem passages, I might not bother to set up the scratch copy. If the pre-check turns up nothing, or almost nothing so that I can just do a small copyedit and eliminate the problems, I might wait till after the pre-check to set up the scratch copy. Typically, though, I'll set them both up at once, and shade passages too close to source in different colors to show which source they come from, or do them all in yellow if there are too many different sources to give each a color; I reserve lightblue for passages that aren't a problem and have been verified successfully, and orange for fragments that are superficially different within a longer copyvio passage (so I can show the size of a problem passage and also how much it's been "scuffed up"). If there's more than a very small amount of copyvio to mark up, I'll rarely take the time to find and mark it all (my thinking about this has evolved over time).

Preliminary read-through and copyedit
At some point before undertaking the in-depth source-check, I'll generally make sure that, at a minimum, I've read the entire article through carefully from beginning to end, and done basic copyediting. (I find it hard to read through without copyediting, as it bothers me at the time and it's very annoying if, having noticed a problem and not acted on it earlier, I forget to act on it later.) If I'm not going to move on to the source-check on the current review, how closely I look at the article body (beyond the lede) may vary; if there's likelihood of neutrality problems, for example, that would call for closer study. The dialog of an interview, I might only skim before source-check, studying the text in-depth only at the time of in-depth verification.

Whether to do the read-through/copyedit before or after copyvio pre-check is a decision for each article; sometimes fixing the mechanical problems makes it much easier to see the closeness-to-source, while other times it's already very close and copyedits only make the pre-check slightly harder.

Basic copyediting includes, amongst other things,
 * grammar and spelling, ascifying quotation marks and apostrophes, spelling out small numbers, italics, categories. Maybe an infobox.
 * wikilinks. There are two schools of thought; either create hard local links when possible, so as to minimize local links via w; or use w for everything when first writing the article, trusting that the local ones will later be processed carefully.  In favor of using w for everything, it is the simplest thing to do when writing, when there's plenty of other things to worry about.  It is also the scenario that was envisioned when planning for the creation of template w (before gaining any practical experience with it): start out with all links using w, then later on, as a maintenance task, consider each individual local link by comparing it to the list of categories for the article, decide whether or not to add some category based on that link, then change the link to a hard local link so it is removed from the list of such links still to be considered.  (The list of such local links still to be considered is Category:Pages with categorizable local links.)  When a link via w is non-local, one still has to worry about, first, whether it should be local, which would involve either retargeting it, or creating a local redirect, or in some cases creating a local disambiguation page; and, second, if it still remains non-local, whether its non-local target exists — because, as a news site, we don't want links that don't lead to an existing article.  Optional parameters to w that are sometimes useful include ,  , and  ; but   prevents local linking so it's usually preferable to target a non-local redirect to the intended section.
 * date formats. When using "today" or "yesterday" it's a good idea to follow that word with an embedded html comment  specifying the day of the week, which helps keep track of things for verification during review and, if the word occurs in the lede (as it often does), also helps anyone using the WN:Make lead device to remember to replace today/yesterday with the day of the week.

Synthesis sources
For a review with a small-to-moderate number of sources, I open each source in a browser tab. This, especially, is where I use a browser that won't execute javascript on the source pages; though I sometimes have to open some sources in a browser that runs the javascript, because important aspects of the source, such as menus, needed for the review aren't there without the javascript.

I typically start by checking all the source citations, which, in addition to getting that information right and uncovering/highlighting some problems related to source dates, also helps ease me into familiarity with the array of sources cited.

The two basic modes for conducting the in-depth source-check are, (1) read each source through, marking on the scratch copy what is verified (by lightblue shading, or by deletion); or (2) choose a particular item in our article and track it down in the sources. Under ordinary conditions — which are not so usual — I'll do the first, then use the second to deal with whatever I didn't verify on the first pass. Sometimes that doesn't work — just for example, a blow-by-blow live-blogging account of an entire football (soccer) match does not really lend itself to reading straight through. Even if I resort partly or entirely to using the second method rather than the first, there's a good chance by the end of the review I'll have read through much, or all, of the sources because some facts will not lend themselves to string-search.

This phase of the review isn't just verification; often neutrality, style, and of course copyvio issues can only be resolved in consultation with the sources.

Occasionally articles have valid reasons for huge numbers of sources; On the campaign trail articles have not uncommonly had forty or fifty. Fortunately the reporter on that series of articles goes to a great deal of effort to embed many, many html comments to document just which facts come from which sources. The articles are complicated enough that even all those comments can't cover everything; in those articles I'm likely to open the sources one-at-a-time, string-search to find all the embedded comments citing that source, and try to be familiar enough with all the materials in the Wikinews article to read through the source and find everything it verifies before moving on. When something isn't verified that way, figuring out which of the many sources to look in is an art.

Original reporting
Whereas synthesis is apt to be pure synthesis, OR isn't pure (at least, I can't recall ever seeing such a thing on Wikinews, and have difficulty imagining it). Even interviews, about as close to pure OR as can be, have introductory sections providing background information backed by synthesis sources. I'll typically process the synthesis sources first, before tackling the OR material (which is typically on scoop); amongst advantages of this approach, it tends to provide familiarity with the background that can help in understanding the original documentation. In reviewing interview introductions I've had moments of confusion before realizing that, although it's generally desirable to draw most of the introductory background from independent sources, there may be some points that are, and safely can be, taken from the interview content.

In checking the original documentation, three factors are in play: the  of the documentary evidence, the meaning of the documentary evidence, and the relationship between the documentary evidence and the material presented in the Wikinews article.

We use, of course, accumulated reputation to inform the question of bona fides; this is one of the various subtly pervasive differences between Wikinews and Wikipedia, that whereas Wikipedia tries to achieve general cooperation through uniform treatment of others, every aspect of Wikinews is geared toward seeing users as individuals. Trying to process OR without knowing the reporter (in an interactive sense; knowing someone's name is likely to be useless) is extraordinarily tricky. Although the option exists to contact an interviewee directly to verify the interview, doing so might not be as useful as it sounds. I recall one occasion where I was presented by an unknown user with an interview, whose subject was fairly prominent and could be independently contacted — but as I looked into their background, I found that the interviewee was famous for perpetrating hoaxes on the news media and later taunting them over their gullibility, and that they had a partner they had historically worked with... and I began to suspect that the interviewer might be the interviewee's partner. In which case, contacting the interviewee to verify the interview would be of not use at all. I could see no possible way of verifying the interview, and said so. Although there are many situations in which we're happy to userspace unpublished OR (and some where we'd userspace unpublished synthesis), material under a cloud like that should be allowed to fall through abandonment to deletion.

What the documentary evidence means is a question of what one actually knows by looking at the evidence, even given its bona fides. This is why we want notes taken during an event rather than after, and why we want an audio recording (with the great hassle for a reviewer to check it against its transcription) rather than an uncheckable transcript. This isn't fully separable from the relationship to the Wikinews article. Given an audio recording together with the transcript in the Wikinews article, I'm often able to improve the transcript, because two sets of ears is better than one. Sometimes I've been able (with difficulty, admittedly) to verify article text by carefully comparing it to field notes and recognizing how the reporter who took the notes was reliably reminded of what the article says by what the notes say, even though the notes in themselves would be cryptic to an outsider.

A simple, general principle is that if there isn't enough documentation for the reviewer to check the article text against it, there isn't enough documentation. We encourage, of course, original reporters to provide way more documentation than is needed; redundant documentation gives better perspective on both the reporting process and the article content.

Spoken text always needs some neatifying during transcription; as linguists are well aware, human speech is full of ums and ers (or variants of those sounds depending on dialect/culture/native language/etc.) hesitations and retries, and could be nearly incomprehensible if transcribed exactly. Our style guide acknowledges reasonable polishing (WN:SG). One also tries not to do too much, not to wash out the speaker's individual character. Editorial marks in square brackets, such as ellipsis ("[...]"), missing first or last names, words whose transcription is uncertain, explanations, and even rarely "[unintelligible]", can be powerful tools to help the reader.

Final sanity check
If the article has survived to the end of the source-check, I emerge from the source-check's wading through details and try to look at the overall shape of the article. Does it read smoothly? Is there systemic bias? (By this time I've not only read through all the details, I've dwelled in them.) Is there a problem with the title?

Am I forgetting something really important?

Always, once I've called up the review gadget with intent to publish, I then call up the article history in a separate browser panel. By calling them up in that order I can be certain that I'm seeing the complete history of the page revision that the review gadget is looking at; so if somebody other than me has edited the article since I started my review, I'll know it. If they have, I have to study what happened (and possibly leave someone a note about the meaning of the under review template); and in any case I use a diff, or if necessary more than one, to get a clear picture of what I did during review, the better to judge whether something has gone seriously wrong and/or whether I've really gotten myself too involved.

There is a moment when I've got the review gadget set up for a passing review, and I'm hovering over the submit button — and it's rather scary. All that work, and it's so easy to miss things — it's impossible to avoid missing things — my worry is that I not missing anything really important. I've spoken with other reviewers who describe the same experience, of the moment before publishing. If you understand the responsibility, you should feel that.

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Auto Blocking Glitch
Please do not create articles that criticize Wikimedia on a Wikimedia project.
 * 1) That's just very stupid
 * 2) It will not get through review
 * 3) It will be deleted
 * 4) This isn't going to fix anything
 * 5) There is no research, no information, no screenshots whatsoever. Not newsworthy. PokestarFan (talk) 21:48, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

This is your last/only warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikinews. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing elsewhere will be reverted quickly.—Alvaro Molina (✉  - ✔ ) 11:11, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Your countdown articles
Hey some of that stuff is kind of entertaining to read but it's not the sort of thing we publish here on Wikinews. If I may be so bold as to recommend Tumblr.com as a place for you to express yourself in these ways. Good luck! I didn't know that about the dungeon Pokemon! Darkfrog24 (talk) 13:01, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I do not think it is good idea to advice an IP/user to recommend other websites to play with, especially when the editor has reverted me, moving a talk page to a not news article thrice. acagastya 13:07, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

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review comments added: plagiarism; missing date, second source
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Unblock
I feel like the block on my WP account is unjustified because I have made only legitimate contributions recently. At least I made an honest effort to write a qualified article on the Parkland shooting and its perpetrator last month, and as a reminder, this talk page also contains a link (now a red link) to that article. Inner Focus (talk) 19:04, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

This is Wikinews, not Wikipedia. As far as I can tell, you are not blocked and never have been blocked on Wikinews. The red link is because the article was never published and went stale and got deleted. You will need to appeal your Wikipedia block on your talk page there. We can't help you. Cheers, --SVTCobra 19:20, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Movie star Patricia Morison dies at 103
Hi. I've taken a look at your article and provided some feedback; the story is still only a day old, so we still have time to get an article published (if we hustle — the news cycle is relentless). It looked pretty good in most respects (though I didn't undertake the deep source-check of a full review for publication), but needs some work. Please see my review comments, and . --Pi zero (talk) 15:36, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for proofreading, Inner Focus :-)
...here. Much appreciated. (Prepositions are a somewhat difficult part of the language, I believe.)

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Emmanuel Macron wins French presidential election race

May 9, 2017

On Sunday, ' candidate Emmanuel Macron won the second round of the 2017 French Presidential election, winning about 66.1 percent of the votes, defeating ''s with the final result declared yesterday. Winning the race with a significant vote difference, Marcon tweeted, With this victory, winning almost twice as many votes as Le Pen, 39-year-old Emmanuel Macron became the youngest President-elect of the Republic of France. In the first round of the election, held on April 23, no candidate won the absolute majority. The abstention rate increased from 22.23% to 25.44% in the second round, AFP reported, the first such second-round increase since 1969. He won the presidential race in the continuing state of emergency which was announced after the November 2015 Paris attack.

Known for her anti-European and anti-globalisation programme, far-right leader Le Pen managed to win about twice as many votes as her father and founder of the Front national party who lost to Jacques Chirac in 2002. Front national won the highest number of votes in their history.

In his speech in front of the glass pyramid near the, Macron said, He also added,  Macron said he would serve as per the motto of France —. Acknowledging the "immense" awaiting task, he said, "I will do everything I can in the coming five years to make sure you never have a reason to vote for extremism again".

, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau tweeted. German chancellor Angela Merkel congratulated Macron via a telephone call.

French parliamentary elections are to be held in June, and Emmanuel Macron, who describes himself as "neither left nor right" does not have a party in the parliament. En Marche! was formed last year. Marine Le Pen tweeted that Front national.

Current president, François Hollande announced he would not run for re-election in December.


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Wikinews talk:Spread Wikinews

Birds of a feather

 * What can be done to both grow our audience and our contributors?
 * Wikinews reported on 2017-05-08 that 3,471,349 articles were started in 33 different Wikinews language communities, but only 222,328 (6.4%) were published (if I understand those numbers correctly). For the English language Wikinews, only 0.8% were actually published.  Is it fair to say that the vast majority of unpublished articles represent frustrated humans, who are less likely to contribute to Wikinews in the future?
 * To increase the rate of submissions -- and our audience -- I think it would help to (a) understand why those articles were not published and (b) take steps to increase the publication rate. Examples:
 * Not neutral or not credible: Some help in rewording or asking contributors to get input from their opposition in a conflict could help educate contributors and encourage them to do more. It may even help resolve conflict  -- converting heat into light!
 * Not newsworthy: If it's written from a neutral point of view citing credible sources, etc., can we “publish” it on a “back page” and / or get geolocation information and only offer the story to people nearby?  I think boring reports on public meetings of governmental bodies should always be accepted, because they could help prevent (or expose) problems like the City of Bell scandal, where the death of a local newspaper seems to have encouraged a group of public officials to engage in massive criminality.  Such articles should not be featured (except to people interested in that jurisdiction) but could be available for a search, e.g., link from a Wikipedia article about that governmental entity.  (I believe the current minimal level of audience control of the media contributes to virtually every major problem facing humanity today;  for documentation, see Winning the War on Terror.  Wikinews might facilitate major improvements.)
 * Not 'news' style: If it's written from a neutral point of view citing credible sources, etc., can we accept poor style and grammar for articles on a “back page,” hoping to encourage contributors to write other articles in the future? Some of those could be of sufficient general interest that other Wikinewsians might help rewrite them in 'news' style to convert them into “page one” stories.  (Non-native speakers should be encouraged to try to bridge the language divide.  If we had had this in the early 1950s, the U.S. war in Vietnam might have been avoided, because too many people would have known that roughly 80 percent of the Vietnamese supported the Communist Ho Chi Minh, as Eisenhower noted in his autobiography published in 1963.

 * I've proposed a “Birds of a Feather” session for Wikimania 2017, August 9-13, in Montreal to discuss these and related questions; see Submissions/Building Wikinews into the premier news site worldwide.  Comments welcomed. DavidMCEddy (talk • contribs) 17:57, 8 May 2017

 * There's a water cooler discussion for this; fragmentation of discussion is a concern, I'd think. --Pi zero (talk) 18:11, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've edited this slightly and reposted it there:  Water cooler/policy.  Or would you prefer that we replace this discussion with a redirect of some kind or ...???  Thanks, DavidMCEddy (talk) 15:27, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

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scleroderma
Is there a possible way to help treat scleroderma patients? L.z.motloung55 (talk) 18:39, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Hi. There are ways a neutral news site can be used to raise awareness of an issue, but it may be difficult for a newcomer to the project.  Our main form of article available to newcomers is synthesis, which may be difficult to apply to a specific medical cause because it must be built around a specific event that has just happened within the past day or two (so that the event is still fresh).  More experienced Wikinewsies can do original reporting, but that option isn't available to newcomers. You can read a compact overview of what we do here at WN:PILLARS.  Then, there's a good tutorial on writing an article at WN:WRITE.  --Pi zero (talk) 00:25, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

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Question (from IRC): how much can a reviewer do before they disqualify themselves?
I definitely want to say some thing about this. I'm adding a few notes here so I don't lose the thoughts that have occurred to me so far. --Pi zero (talk) 20:59, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * mustn't become a coauthor.
 * absolutely do not add facts; grey area for very straightforward updates. if there's composition involved, it's getting out of hand.
 * when there's only one way to fix a problem; shades of grey around that.
 * scale.

Non-English sources
Another thing worth discussing. --Pi zero (talk) 16:32, 9 May 2017 (UTC)


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Cyberattack, not HBO comedian, caused website wipeout, says FCC

May 10, 2017

Late Sunday night and Monday morning, the website of the United States (FCC) became unresponsive, which interfered with attempts by the public to express their views on the proposals currently up for comment, including one about. Although comedian on his show  had asked his viewers to inundate the website with comments supporting Net Neutrality, the FCC says a DDoS  cyberattack, not angry  fans, are responsible for their website's issues.

FCC Chief Information Officer David Bray explained in a formal statement that FCC.gov's problems did not come from a large volume of complaints and comments, which is what Oliver had asked his fans to make, but from sabotage. "These actors were not attempting to file comments themselves; rather they made it difficult for legitimate commenters to access and file with the FCC," said Bray.

Net Neutrality is the idea that Internet providers should not be allowed to speed up or slow down access to certain websites, which would presumably be done for payment. In 2014, the U.S. government ruled Internet providers must be held to standards similar to those of telephone companies and changed their legal classification to fall under Title II of the, which gave the FCC the legal authority to order them not to give preferential treatment to high-paying customers.

In response to a previous Net Neutrality proposal in 2014, John Oliver did a segment on the fifth episode of Last Week Tonight explaining the difference between Title I and Title II status and asking his viewers to flood the FCC's websites with comments supporting regulation. Approximately 4 million did so, and the website crashed. Sunday night, Oliver asked the public to repeat the performance, recommending comments to make and providing a single link to take them to the exact part of FCC.gov required: "America needs you to rise — or more accurately, remain seated in front of your computer screen — to this occasion," said Oliver on the air. "So please, fly my pretties, fly once more!" Again, the FCC website soon suffered problems.

Despite Sunday night's issues, the FCC still received tens of thousands of comments on the proposed relaxing of the 2014 regulations, which is up for a vote on May 18.


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"British comedian"
John Oliver is far more famous in the U.S. than the UK. Although technically correct, perhaps referring to him as a British comedian in the headline is misleading? Microchip08 (talk) 01:43, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds like you're saying he is British but other things about him are more important. Good idea. Darkfrog24 (talk) 12:18, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Mention Trump vs Obama?
The mainstream sources connect the 2014 establishment of these regulations to Obama and the proposed relaxation to Trump, but only by mentioning who appointed the FCC chiefs. Any thoughts on how much we should get into that? Darkfrog24 (talk) 12:12, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

External link to YouTube
We're under review right now or I'd just add it, but LastWeekTonight's official YouTube channel has made the sequence in question available for free on YouTube. I think it would be a good tie-in as an external link. Darkfrog24 (talk) 11:48, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Review of revision 4312999 [Passed]

 * I really should have insisted on not using abbreviation FCC in the headline. International readers won't know what that is, and the style guide warns against using abbreviations in headlines in most situations, including this one.  --Pi zero (talk) 13:26, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


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Don't insert random stuff on Wikinews. I've given your account a short block. You can read about the purpose of this site at WN:PILLARS. --Pi zero (talk) 12:01, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

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 * If this is, as it appears, an alternative account of User:Acagastya, that user should put a doppelganger template on this account's user page (once the user's current short block expires). --Pi zero (talk) 06:57, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * How are you going to prove it? Use my IP? A duck test. Go do it. But if I were you, I would be fixing the loop holes in the policies -- (and yes, mention that socks accounts are also liable for block, so that what you are doing seems legitimate) Axagastya (talk) 06:59, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I've seen some evidence that you think there are loopholes, but no clear evidence of actual loopholes. There is also no reason for me to strain myself trying to "prove" identity; either you're the same person, or you're impersonating someone else.  --Pi zero (talk) 08:23, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

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EP request
editprotected It should be "On Sunday, En Marche! candidate Emmanuel Macron won the second round of 2017 French Presidential election". •–• 18:33, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

 * "of the". Done. --Pi zero (talk) 16:27, 7 August 2019 (UTC)


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Takedown of underground pedophile network nets 900 arrests: police
First off, we really appreciate your contribution.

But sometimes users submit an article from somewhere else, not realizing that Wikinews cannot keep copy-and-paste versions of articles which are published elsewhere under a restrictive copyright. An article created in this way is a copyright violation, and Wikinews policy is to erase these even if they are excellent article ideas.

Another problem which sometimes comes up is press releases: Press releases are sometimes excellent sources, but they do not qualify as unbiased news articles so they can't be published as they are. Two key things to remember about press releases is that they're usually written to represent the viewpoint of an involved party (Thus likely running foul of our Neutral Point of View policy). And second, they are generally covered by copyright which can conflict with our open editing approach.

A better way to get an article on an exciting subject published here is to write an original article following the guidelines described in writing an article, or to write a brief explanation of the subject and include the url address of articles or websites to use as sources. If you are part of the story that the article is about, you may also wish to consider requesting an interview rather than writing the article yourself.

Thanks again! —mikemoral (talk) 00:06, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

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JavaScript not working for one account
Personal JavaScript is not working when I use user:acagastya. Even HotCat is not working. But it is working for user:Agastya. What could be the reason? acagastya 07:12, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * (Note: As I recall, this was resolved by removing customized javascript, some of which had broken, I think due to changes to the software platform.) --Pi zero (talk) 22:49, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Template:Picture Select
Hello, i'm from the Dutch Wikinews and have troubles to introduce the "template:picture select" on that language version (it's nowadays a test-project in the incubator but not for long anymore). To be honest, I have copied the template from the French Wikinews (see here the template). The problem is that the "tabs with numbers" to switch from image to another image are not showed. I don't know what is missing, but maybe someone from here can help me?

--> Our template= SEE HERE

Thanks in advance, greetings, --LIVE NIEUWS (talk) 22:41, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

 * Greetings. It looks as if that template uses tabber.  That's a bunch of javascript in our MediaWiki:Common.js, which I admit I know little about.  In fact, looking at the page, it seems as if tabber is more than half of it.  You'll find some unnecessary try blocks around parts of our Common.js, which I put in a while ago for debugging purposes and never removed.  If I were setting up a new project, I think I would put the tabber code into a mandatory gadget (and eventually I may try to do that here, in fact, but javascript is such a finicky language I hesitate to tamper with something that works).  --Pi zero (talk) 22:57, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Also try to install the template at some point in Spanish Wikinews without success. The configuration of this template should require something more complex for its operation and that until today I have never been able to find out. —Alvaro Molina (✉  - ✔ ) 23:03, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much and  for your help! I will wait a little bit until de Dutch Wikinews is out of the Incubator, so it has its own Wiki. It will be easier to try to fix this and create a MediaWikiCommonjs. Hopefully it works then. --LIVE NIEUWS (talk) 10:24, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

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This user's (not me) user page waits for deletion since 2011. 83.24.204.147 (talk) 11:09, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

How do I add to the "sources" for an article that I myself contributed some content?
I am a complete newbie. I didn't even know this place existed until yesterday when a Wikipedia request showed "sister" projects. After reviewing I found very, VERY few articles, so I decided to write one. It's now waiting for review, but in the mean time I have realized that I myself contributed a few small bits of data to the article and I'd like to "do it right." However, it's not at all clear to me how I can add myself as a contributor to the story.

For those interested, the article is titled "Vintage VW Enthusiasts Converge At Kelley Park in San Jose, CA" and my contributions were that I attended one of the events cited and am familiar and can confirm the various small comments about such things as "Red Barn" which are not contained in either of the two sources I cited.

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 * I think you are talking about original reporting (OR). You might want to read about it, before someone explains you about it in detail. acagastya 17:58, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


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"Purge" button
I have an old preference saying " Add a "*" tab to the top of the page which lets you purge the cache of the page. " The "*" (asterisk) tab, which supposedly reset the cache, either no longer works or is no longer there. Right now, I have clickable icons indicating to refresh pages, especially in Wikinews Main Page and Newsroom. A clock button enabled via user's preference is nice, but I've also often used "Purge" button for any page. I want to take this to the "proposal" subpage, but seems to me that it's a technical issue also. Change to " Add a "Purge" option to the top of the page, which purges the page's cache ", shown in multiple sister projects? That way, the "Purge" button issue is fixed. --George Ho (talk) 00:05, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm not quite following. Are you saying that gadget doesn't work right so we should replace it with... something?  --Pi zero (talk) 01:01, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. But I'll rephrase concisely: The "*" preference thing doesn't work because "*" is no longer there. The other sister projects replaced "*" with the "Purge" button. Replacement may be needed, i.e. "purge", but it can be accessible via preference and the "More" scroll, which has the "Rename". I'll rephrase further if you want. --George Ho (talk) 02:34, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Unless I'm mistaken, the Gadget is still here: Special:Preferences. Are you saying that you have this option checked and it is still not working? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:42, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Re-checked my "Preferences" page: the option is checkmark-ed, and the gadget is still not working. --George Ho (talk) 02:45, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, you can remove the defunct "*" tab option without replacement as there is the clock purge link already in the "Gadgets" tab of Preferences menu. Nevertheless, having a replacement would have been better, but I think I might be fine without a replacement for now. --George Ho (talk) 00:30, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Almost a month later, what to do about the broken gadget, especially when checkmarked? --George Ho (talk) 00:36, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


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President Trump fires FBI Director James Comey, raising questions about Russia investigation

May 11, 2017

On Tuesday, U.S. President Donald Trump dismissed James Comey from his position as head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Officially, Comey was fired for mishandling the issue with former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's alleged, but Senate Democrats and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) have raised concerns over whether the real reason may have been that Comey was leading the investigation into the Trump campaign's alleged ties to Russia and possible tampering with the election that placed Trump in high office. CNN reports a source within the White House told CNN reporter the President's office gave this reason intending to avoid controversy because many Democrats have also criticized Comey for mishandling the Clinton case, and some have blamed him for Clinton losing the election. Specifically, recently confirmed Deputy U.S. Attorney General released a memo criticizing Comey's statements in a July 2016 press conference, in which he called Hillary Clinton "extremely careless" for using private email servers to transmit government information but said she would not be charged with a crime. "The director was wrong to usurp the attorney general's authority on 5 July 2016, and announce his conclusion that the [Clinton] case should be closed without prosecution. [...] Compounding the error, the director ignored another longstanding principle: we do not hold press conferences to release derogatory information about the subject of a declined criminal investigation," wrote Rosenstein.

"It simply defies logic that President Trump, who made the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton's emails a centerpiece of his campaign, would all of the sudden convert to the view that Clinton was treated unfairly," said Democratic Senator. CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin rejected it as "absurd." He went on to compare it to the dismissal of during the.

of the ACLU also expressed concern: "The independence of the FBI director is meant to ensure that the president does not operate above the law. For President Trump to fire the man responsible for investigating his own campaign's ties to the Russians imperils that fundamental principle."

Most Republicans agreed with Trump's decision. Senator said, "The handling of the Clinton email investigation is a clear example of how Comey's decisions have called into question the trust and political independence of the FBI." However, Republican Representative referred to the rationale behind the dismissal as "bizarre" and said that he and his staff would look into laws that might allow the establishment of an independent commission to continue the Russia investigation. Such a commission has also been called for by Republican Senator John McCain and Democratic Senator.

Minority leader Chuck Schumer said, "If deputy attorney general Rosenstein does not appoint an independent special prosecutor, every American will rightly suspect that the decision to fire director Comey was part of a cover-up."

Schumer was one of several Senate Democrats to ask for a special prosecutor or special counsel. Others, expressing themselves both by Tweet and traditional television interviews, of Virginia,  of Oregon, and  of New Jersey. However, special prosecutors are appointed by the U.S. Attorney General, in this case Jeff Sessions who recused himself from any further involvement in the investigation into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia. According to ABC News chief legal analyst, the responsibility would then fall to a deputy, who would be unlikey to act except in response to pressure from Congress.

President Trump responded, as is his custom, via tweet: "Cryin' Chuck Schumer stated recently, 'I do not have confidence in him (James Comey) any longer.' Then acts so indignant. #draintheswamp" and "The Democrats have said some of the worst things about James Comey, including the fact that he should be fired, but now they play so sad!"

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Moon Jae-in becomes President of South Korea

May 11, 2017

assumed the office of of  yesterday. He was announced the winner of Tuesday's election, with 41.1% of the vote, and sworn in yesterday at the. Moon is succeeding the impeached President.

Moon has promised to unite his country, which faces tensions due to the corruption scandals of the previous president. He has also vowed to promote peace between the two Koreas. One way Moon is attempting to improve the relationship between South Korea and North Korea is by reopening the Kaesong Industrial Region, an industrial park on the Korean border jointly run by both Koreas. Moon also wishes to reform, a type of conglomerate run by powerful families. An example of a chaebol is, whose vice-chariman was arrested for allegations of bribery under the previous president Park Guen-hye.

In more international affairs, Moon has said he is reconsidering the (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) deployments of the, as he believes they could damage relations with China.

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Currently prejudicial. Although it's true about being in charge of the Russia investigation, the question of why in this case is controversial, calling for explanation that can be given in the article but seems likely too complicated for the headline. --Pi zero (talk) 13:30, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I changed it to focus on the response. How's it look now? Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:22, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't have strong feelings about the title and don't mind if someone else has a better idea. Darkfrog24 (talk) 22:19, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It seems a sound solution to the difficulty, to me. --Pi zero (talk) 22:27, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


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This is a very big day in France, kudos to the government of France for a free and fair Election.

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California recently legalized cannabis by referendum and set the legal age at 21. It places stiff penalties on selling marijuana to minors. Minors found in possession would be redirected to drug abuse programs or community service rather than face time in juvie.

Of course, the drug remains illegal under federal law, and the current attorney general Sessions doesn't seem too keen on the drug despite rules having been relaxed under the Obama administration.


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Supreme Court of India begins hearing against triple talaq

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The Indian Supreme Court yesterday formally began a hearing against , an Islamic rule which allows men to divorce their wives instantly without the need of a judicial hearing. Activists and Muslim women have filed many petitions against Islamic practices — triple talaq, , and — saying they are unconstitutional and demanding.

A bench of five justices — Chief Justice, Justice , Justice , Justice , and Justice , belonging to five different religions — , Christianity, , Hinduism, and Islam — are to hear the case for gender equality. However, there are no women on the panel.

Talaq allows a husband to effect a divorce solely by saying talaq thrice. Muslim women who are against this law say it ruins their lives and is against gender equality.

Talaq is an word which translates to repudiation or divorce. It is a right limited to the Muslim men, to divorce their wives simply by saying talaq thrice. The announcement must be clear and unambiguous but it does not require a judicial hearing. There is a waiting time of three months – or, precisely, three menstrual cycles; called  — in which the husband can change his decision. Once the divorce is final, it is the responsibility of the husband to pay his wife a certain sum, known as . Mahr is declared at the time of marriage, and the husband only need pay it if Mahr was not paid before. The husband does have some continuing financial obligations to his ex-wife during Iddah and if she is pregnant, the husband must look after her until the child is born.

In order to reconcile with her husband after the end of Iddah, the divorced wife needs to marry another man, have sex with him, and divorce him to marry her former husband.

The hearing allows each side two days to place their arguments and a day for. The hearing is to finish by May 19. The court said, "We will also examine whether triple talaq is a part of enforceable ". A hearing on October 16, 2015 asked for separate filing for talaq, nikah halala, and polygamy. According to the government, these religious practices were not shielded by Article 15 (1) of the Indian constitution, which guarantees the freedom to practice any religion and those practices violate the right to equality. It states, "The State shall not discriminate against any citizen on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex, place of birth or any of them". Last month, 's High Court, in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh, said the triple talaq law was.

According to opponents of this law, husbands discarding their marriage with their wives in a moment by repeating the word often leaves their spouses helpless and eventually. But according to the, this hearing is unjustified. In an affidavit filed in September, they said, "If there develops serious discord between the couple, and the husband does not at all want to live with her, legal compulsions of time-consuming separation proceedings and expenses may deter him from taking the legal course. In such instances, he may resort to illegal, criminal ways of murdering or burning her alive." Though there exists a rule about under Shari'a law ' and ', honour killing which was cultural tradition in India is now illegal, and punishable by death. A 2011 hearing in the Supreme Court labelled it a "slur on the nation" and said there is "nothing honourable about honour killings."

The Muslim Personal Law (Shariat) Application act of 1937 says the state would not interfere in matters of personal dispute. , president of, said this issue should be addressed outside the courts, preferably by Islamic scholars. Citing the instance of the dispute, of building a mosque on the Hindu shrines by Mughal ruler  in the city of, considered as the birthplace of Hindu god , Madani said, "If the Supreme Court can say that the issue of Babri Masjid should be resolved outside the court, why not this issue be solved by the ?" He added, "You are doing politics over Muslim issues".

25-year-old Muslim woman Amreen Begum had filed a police complaint in against her husband for domestic violence. She, in front of the police station, shouted talaq thrice to divorce her husband. She said, "I have divorced him. If a man can divorce his wife that way, why can't a woman? Don't I have the same right? Am I less human than he is?" She added, "I want the supreme court to free Muslim women for ever from the fear of triple talaq."

Countries like Turkey, Egypt, Cyprus, Pakistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and Tunisia have already abolished this law.

is banned in various Indian states including Maharashtra. The cow is considered sacred for Hindus. Questioning the of India, the president of Indian Islamic organisation, , said in October, "If you really believe in secularism [...] why did you Modi [the Indian Prime Minister] impose beef ban in Maharashtra and why does your government want to construct a museum in the name of Ram in Ayodhya? Then why do you say state has no religion and the country has no religion?" In October, Owasi called the the 's affidavit against triple talaq a joke. He added, "If you really want to help Muslim women, please help Zakia Jafri whose husband (former Congress lawmaker) was killed in front of her eyes, cut into pieces and set on fire. She is waiting for justice".

In May, Indian industrialist said beef ban was affecting the Indian economy and he added, "There is nothing against beef in our [Hindu] religion. It is a practice that evolved over years of drought, and the elders said don't slaughter cows, preserve them for milk for children. That has turned into a religious belief. This is ridiculous.  were beef-eaters."

The "" — a Hindu custom which violated equality rights of women, in which the wife herself on her deceased husband's  — was banned in India in the nineteenth century after activists like  fought against it, and later the  made aiding sati a criminal offense.


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Changing position, President Trump says FBI Director Comey was fired over Russia investigation, showboating

May 13, 2017

Despite the White House's initial assertion that Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Director was dismissed Tuesday over mishandling the Hillary Clinton email case, United States President Donald Trump on Thursday told NBC that "this Russia thing" was among his reasons, mentioning Comey's repeated claims that he, Trump, was not being investigated. He also accused Comey of "showboating" and said "the FBI has been in turmoil."

James Comey was leading an investigation into the Trump campaign's alleged ties to Russia and possible Russian involvement in the 2016 US presidential election that placed Trump in power. The official reason given for his dismissal, overly harsh treatment of then-presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, was met with skepticism from politicians and the press.

President Trump also told NBC's that, despite statements to the contrary by Vice President Pence and, recommendations from deputy attorney general  did not have anything to do with his decision, which he made before receiving Rosenstein's memo. "Regardless of recommendation I was going to fire Comey. Knowing, there was no good time to do it[...] And, in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said: 'You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story, it's an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should've won.'" He went on to express regret that firing Comey might prolong the investigation and said Comey had told him that he, Trump, was not under investigation when asked.

Trump told NBC that he had asked Comey if he, Trump, were under investigation, to which Comey had replied in the negative. While it is not illegal under U.S. law for President Trump to ask if he is under investigation, former spokesperson Matthew Miller described it as "completely inappropriate" and pointed out that Comey would not be allowed to answer under Department rules.

Deputy White House Press Secretary disagreed with Miller's assessment. "I don't see it as a conflict of interest and neither do many of the legal scholars who've been commenting on it over the last hour." She did not elaborate on the reference to legal scholars.

While some sources have said Comey requested more resources for the Russia investigation only days before being fired, one of his associates told news outlets this was not true and the investigation had no shortage of resources.

In his interview with Holt, President Trump affirmed that his campaign had no connections to Russia.

Four candidates for Comey's position were scheduled to be interviewed today: a lawyer named, an appeals court judge named , Senator of Texas, and , who is currently serving as acting director of the FBI. McCabe has promised to "vigorously and completely" continue the Russia investigation and to tell Congress if any pressure is brought to bear to stop it.


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Talk:Supreme Court of India begins hearing against triple talaq

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Recommended to me by the reporter: --Pi zero (talk) 17:24, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
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editprotected Looks like a typo made the whole paragraph italicised. "Talaq" being the non-English word should be italicised and the rest of the sentence should not be. •–• 19:11, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * And "talaq" in headline should be italicised. •–• 19:20, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Fixed the typo. I admit I don't tend to get excited about headline formatting; historically we've almost never bothered with it.  --Pi zero (talk) 20:09, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * That is not a good reason not to do that. Especially when the SG mentions foreign language words should be italicised and that applies for the headline as well. 103.6.156.43 (talk) 20:14, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

✅ and ❌ back in November. --SVTCobra 21:34, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

 * If you disagree with the actions in November, please resubmit with an appeal to why the reasons are insufficient and why the archive should be opened to make a minor, but technically difficult change. Please do not just revert the editprotected much higher in the discussion. That is not a valid appeal. --SVTCobra 01:10, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Style Guide itself is good reason to make the change. There is a difference between declining and being uncomfortable. 223.237.201.53 (talk) 01:23, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * As a practical matter, what would be the wiki markup code for it? --Pi zero (talk) 01:30, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

 * Nowhere in Style_guide does it say article titles should have italics. Neither does Naming conventions. Both are official policy. Do you even read policy or do you just think you know it? If you would like to change this policy, please bring it up at Water cooler/Policy. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:32, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

 * I don't ever recall seeing an article on Wikipedia or any Wikimedia project that had a mix of italics and non-italics. I do not know if it is technically possible at this moment. So bring it up at Technical and/or Policy, but stop making it an editprotected. Thanks, --SVTCobra 01:36, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

 * The way the headline is displayed when viewing the article can be changed; some Wikipedia articles do it, and some Wikinews articles. Afaik there's plenty of precedent for doing it and for not doing it.  (It doesn't affect how the headline appears in DPLs, though.)  Btw, there's a bit in the SG about italics, might be what was being referenced, though I don't think that bit explicitly discusses headlines.  --Pi zero (talk) 01:46, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

 * I know about italicizing entire article titles, but a single word? I have never seen it. For a whole title it is Italic title on WP. You can see my use of it here at . --SVTCobra 01:55, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * (twice)  . If I got it right. -- Riddle, Tom Jr

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editprotected In the third-to-last paragraph, please delink "Union government", which links to the now-deleted Government of India. Also Deccan Chronicle is misspelled "Decan Chronicle" in the |pub= for the first source. Heavy Water (talk) 04:01, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ --SVTCobra 01:02, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


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