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User talk:Gryllida/Tasks

Review subtasks
If we're accumulating a general list of things a review assistant might do (not necessarily ones that require any primitive capabilities not already implemented), here are some: --Pi zero (talk) 23:25, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep running notes that can later be used to compose review comments. This may sound minor, but I often think of things during review that I want to mention in review comments, then lose track of them by the time I'm actually finished.
 * When completing a review (regardless of whether publish or not-ready), aid in leaving a note on the user talk page of the reporter (or user talk pages of the reporters, if there's more than one).
 * Improved make-lead. Particular improvements of interest include better deduction of the lede (current program sometimes gets confused); better handling of templates in the lede; more sophisticated help with selecting an image; and swapping leads around rather than just replacing one.

Tasks via dialog tools
Guesses on how smoothly the 13 tasks integrate with the dialog tools. The levels from easiest to hardest are:
 * I. Can probably be done with substantially the tools already in place.
 * The tools can already extract page history (somewhat), manipulate page content, and perform an edit; that's enough for some purposes.

 * II. Can probably be done with a few simple straightforward operations added to the tools.
 * Some pretty basic operations aren't available yet, and some careful thought should go into how they're supported to make sure the design naturally encourages the sorts of safeguards these more potent operations should have. All of these are sensitive, some have hefty potential for wrecking havoc:  sighting pages; renaming pages; deleting/undeleting pages; setting/modifying/clearing blocks.

 * III. Should be doable by adding a specialized action.
 * An action is essentially a javascript program attached to a page, that uses the receive module to interface with the dialog system. Pretty much arbitrary operations can be performed that way.

One could somewhat imagine spellchecking at level I rather than level III, but my first guess (and only a guess) is it'd be awkward and slow. --Pi zero (talk) 04:51, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Regarding "todo" task
Two thoughts.
 * We should beware of building into such a facility a bias on the dicey question of single-writer versus multi-writer articles. In my experience, collaboration on articles sometimes works, but often creates problems more than it solves them.  Perhaps there are ways to make it work; but it seems advisable that any ToDo facility should be designed so as to not interact with that complicated issue.
 * That suggests to me, likely, a facility for making a suggestion without actually starting a stub article, as such. A stub is, after all, an article that has already been created and therefore tends toward multi-author unless taken up by the same person who started it (which is possible, but it seems the notion was more in the suggestions-for-someone-else vein?).

 * There is a page on the site that was meant for people to make suggestions of this sort. It hasn't worked at all well.  The two biggest shortcomings seem to me to be:
 * It's far too labor-intensive, in all its aspects; it seems to want a stiff does of semi-automation. One would like assistance with adding an item, with picking up a suggestion, and with disposing of a suggestion once it passes by and is no longer viable.
 * It's not nearly visible enough; the solution of which might well also involve semi-automation.

--Pi zero (talk) 12:56, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've put a note that collaborative editing is to be avoided into the relevant section. My thinking is that perhaps people who read news on a particular topic regularly could start making tiny (stub) articles and tag them with free for anyone to take at the time of submission. Perhaps eventually such readers (a) encourage good coverage of the topics they have interest in; (b) continue coming to Wikinews to read on their topics of interest; (c) eventually start writing larger articles. Perhaps this eases the learning curve somewhat, as they have an opportunity to watch the development of the stories on topics that interest them. Gryllida 02:27, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Notifier
Do you mean everyone who has edited the article should be notified about the review outcome? Even if someone had just fixed a typo/vandalised a page/moved it/other reviewer who not ready'ed it? Personally I think a personalised message by the actual reviewer does a better job. And not always should the author desires to receive information about it, unless it failed. Noobs want to know when their article passes (and sometimes fails too) as someone who has enough experience; they are worried if the article fails. The notifier would soon become a thing like daily digest which some people would not care to read and/or find bugging. •–• 01:46, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Acagastya
 * A contributor who fixes a typo can mark their edit as minor and then they may not be notified.
 * A contributor who vandalised a page may have their edit reverted. The notifier could look for 'revert' edit summary messages and use those as a guidance for excluding those contributors.
 * Moving a page is tricky. It's not possible to mark this edit as minor. Perhaps those who move a page can be either ignored by the notifier, or be notified anyway, whatever is considered desirable (this is easy to exclude them).
 * The reviewer who just not readied it is the best person to know of new changes. Perhaps they need to be notified when the page is submitted for review.
 * Re "Personally I think a personalised message by the actual reviewer does a better job." -- agreed; this notifier tool MUST have a text area where the reviewer leaves a personalised message.
 * Re "And not always should the author desires to receive information about it, unless it failed." -- this can to be opt out or opt in, whatever the user wants it to be, they could be able to set this.
 * I've incorporated some of these ideas into the relevant section. If you have other suggestions how to only notify people who are likely to act on the review comments quickly, please share. --Gryllida 02:15, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I don’t always mark typo/ce edits as minor edits. Anonymous editors can not make minor edits. Sometimes I explain the revert and the undo revision summary is removed if 256 character limit is reached. The opt-in opt-out is tricky. I would like to know the status of articles that failed on a normal day, but when I have to travel, I wish to know about it regardless of the outcome (I would specify on or off wiki). And then how if this different from EzPr? Just copy the review comments and status and dump it on the talk page of authors from the authors list. I believe I am missing something and you should explain more about this notifier. •–• 02:23, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Manually copy/pasting review comments to the talk pages of relevant contributors is laborious and time consuming. The notifier could present the reviewer with a list of contributors and what they did to the article, so that they deliver the message to them all in one click (and only those that they consider unnecessary). Again added this to the task section. --Gryllida 02:30, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I can do in 1 + 2(N) clicks if the aim is telling N users what is written in the review comments -- so I am not convinced we need this. As far as informing various authors -- each author need not be told the same thing, what about that situation? •–• 15:39, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * We don't want something that produces a boiler plate, but the unaided task of leaving personalized notes is onerous and as a result often isn't done. There are some sorts of remarks that work better on user talk than article talk.  So, to my mind, we want a tool that makes it easier for the reviewer, at the end of a review, to leave short, somewhat-personalized notes on the talk pages of relevant users.  There are certainly lots of ways for it to go wrong, and we need to leave the human decisions to the human reviewer while absorbing mindless tedium into a semi-automated assistant (which sums up the challenge of semi-automation in general).  --Pi zero (talk) 15:46, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

About the reviewing process
Lately, I have noticed here in particular that the reviewing and approval process for an article which has been newly written often is so slow that most news items already get stale (according to the strict criteria used here) before they can be published at all. Another point is that I sometimes get the impression that certain topics are selected earlier than other ones for the reviewing process (this might have something to do with the interest fields of the reviewer, though I can't be sure of that, of course). The result is that the topics which appear here on the front page represent a very selective choice, which does not really (perhaps rather: not at all) reflect the news which is worldwide most important (which, in my opinion, should be by far the most important criterion). likely is due to the very low number of active reviewers. So I think there should in any case come more reviewers. De Wikischim (talk) 09:19, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * my two cents: reviewers do not magically come up and start reviewing articles — experienced editors become reviewers. Did you read the 18.02 WN:Print Edition? There were thirteen articles published last week. Do you seriously think there is a recurring theme of the articles? How do you claim some articles are more newsworthy than others (a clear PoV/CoI; beedless to say, breaks neutrality concept) To be honest, your “worldwide most important” bullshit does not consider events that did not happen in the first world countries. This is not the first time I am telling you this; but without strict policies; the quality of articles is not up to the mark, and that is something we can not compromise with. The only reason you "might" be able to find articles of similar focus is because out of the last ten articles published, I wrote eight — and my interest would be reflected in those articles. A reviewer is not going to say no to my articles just because many of my stories were published. And even if I was the author, I can find diversity: an obituary of a war “hero” and first female to do X (being a crucial article for that country); a retired footballer's obituary (important in UK countries where he played); two articles about politicians sentenced for corruption (one being one of the most important news articles in that country), a crime and law article about mob violence in Pakistan for false blasphemy (sensitive topic in that country, and one of the most important articles for that country), KNVB assigning new manager to men's team (most important article for Dutch football), Google fined by Indian watchdog (latest development to their biased search results; already faced issues in the EU, Russia), arrest of a Chinese bookseller highlighting no complete freedom of expression. I fail to see a recurring pattern. FWIW, either you learn to write articles per the threshold standards or don’t (else you would be wasting your time) because the standards would not be lowered. •–• 12:24, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

 * another couple of cents from me:
 * You're quite right that we want to increase review capacity, which includes both increasing efficiency per reviewer and increasing number of reviewers. We're discussing here tools to aid reviewing and tools to aid writing, and in the long run both of those lead to increased review capacity:  Good tools to aid review make reviewers more able to review, including making people who are capable of review more able to afford to actually do a review since it's a smaller lump-sum investment for them.  Good tools to aid writing should, hopefully, increase the success rate of new contributors, if nothing else eliminating superficial distractions so they can concentrate on whichever fundamental principles they may be struggling with; and increasing quality of articles submitted should, hopefully, somewhat decrease difficulty of review.  The more reviews, and the more publications, we can achieve, the larger the contributor base we can support — and our future reviewers are a fraction of our contributor base, so we have to greatly increase our contributor base in order to later increase our reviewer base.
 * Regarding topic bias (though that's less directly relevant here): I might struggle to express this in the most positive way, but, reviewers are more able to afford, and more eager, to invest their labor in a review that is likely to be a smooth process and produce a high-quality publication. So the way for a contributor to have a larger voice in what gets published is to improve their skills at producing articles that will provide that sort of review.
 * --Pi zero (talk) 13:14, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello De Wikischim. Thank you for raising this question here. I agree with the concern and concur with what Pi zero said, essentially their first paragraph above is the motivation for my work on this list of tasks and finding or writing scripts which provide the necessary feature set. --Gryllida 22:38, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Task 16: delete spam
And recently, with the fake tech support phone number spam, we have to hide revisions also since they put the phone number in the title and/or edit summary. Also, we add the user to List of phone number spambots. Another step we always do, is to issue a block notice (either on the user page or user talk page). I don't know how far you want to take the automation, but my dream is to click on the user name and select the type of spam (in this case phone number spam) and set for indefinite, and then the following would happen automatically: 1) block notice issued 2) mass deletion of pages added 3) revisions hidden 4) user added to the list. I have no idea how much (if any) of this is possible, but I just happened to see you writing about it in your task list. Cheers, --SVTCobra 22:50, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * OK. Thanks. Added this to the task section. --Gryllida 03:49, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

 * What consideration have Wikinews and other Wikimedia projects given to using CAPTCHAs to limit spam? Wouldn't this largely eliminate bots posting press releases and similar spam?  DavidMCEddy (talk) 05:23, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello DavidMCEddy  :-)
 * We currently use the 'fancy captcha' for signups and for URL insertions in articles.
 * The spammers are bypassing this captcha.
 * Also some of their edits do not have any URL whatsoever.
 * This makes them difficult to distinguish from legitimate edits.
 * Cheers, --Gryllida (chat) 02:48, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Task 15: browse topics (categories) on-wiki
Fwiw, there is a not-yet-completed effort toward some such device at User:Pi zero/Archives. (As I recall, it was proving to be a difficult problem.) --Pi zero (talk) 01:51, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

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User:Gryllida/Tasks/Notifier

Requirements
easy peer review script shows "article review completed" message at the top
 * 1) add link to pass article title as an argument to another page
 * 2) the 'another page' has a few things:
 * article title at the top (received as an argument, not editable)
 * list of article contributors who would be notified, with a tick box next to each (retrieved by JS based on the article title; excludes the last reviewer)
 * a multiline text area where the message may be modified (something like 'Re: article title here' headline and 'Hi NICK, your article was reviewed as 'not ready /.ready'. Please see reviewer comments here (this is a link to article talk page) and check the article history to see the changes made during the review as they may help you with writing your future articles')
 * 1) The reviewer clicks 'notify contributors' button
 * 2) The page leaves messages on the contributors talk pages

Phases

 * A page where I can provide article title and retrieve the list of potential contributors to notify.

api query

a facility that allows dialog to acquire revision history of a page; might be up to 50 revisions at a time - at WN:Dialog/do/test - local dialog parameters request the data, the data is read from other dialog parameters

 * A page where I can provide article title and retrieve the list of potential contributors to notify, then leave them all a message.
 * A page where I can provide article title and retrieve the list of potential contributors to notify, then leave them all a customized message (edited before clicking submit)
 * A page which can receive article title as an argument, and do everything described above.

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Oh Hey!
Hi!

WN:ROLE
Hi. We don't allow role accounts on English Wikinews. Each contributor's account must be for an individual person. This goes to the deep structure of our workflow. You can read about what we do here at WN:PILLARS.

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User:The Laboratory Team

Yo, What is up everybody!

This is the Laboratory Team's official account page!

Here we post stuff about the squad, post mini - articles on here, and much more!

Please keep in mind: Leaders Of the Laboratory Team use this account, so if a block is applied, it will may affect innocent leaders.

The account is called TurlesRule4Life, because everyone is The Laboratory Team seems to LOVE turtles.

Admins MUST be careful when doing ANYTHING with this account because changes to it will be VERY widely noticed by the group.

The Laboratory Team The Laboratory Team is a group consisting of currently 10-200 people.

This group is not an official company, and mainly consists of people that are somewhere under 12 years old.

This group is not aimed at any goal, but is the kind of group that talks a lot with each other, and sometimes does big projects together.

This is one of the home pages for the laboratory team and We do not edit articles that are not our own usually.

We mainly CREATE pages and our members each have separate accounts which will all be linked to this page once created.

If an admin thinks the laboratory team does not belong on Wikepidia, they still do NOT have the right to block every account linked to this page as that would be considered abuse of admin powers.

Ranks The Laboratory Team has multiple ranks.

Here is a list of ranks:

-1 The Crystal/Classified

Leader       Lead Administrator

Epix

Admin

MVP+

MVP

VIP+

VIP

Fully trained

Security

High Rank

Tier 9

Tier 8

Tier 7

Tier 6

Tier 5

Tier 4

Tier 3

Tier 2

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Hi. Thanks for your efforts in response to the earlier review; much appreciated. I did my best. Unfortunately, there remain some fairly deep issues that would need attention, and we're out of time based on the Thursday focal event. Please see my review comments. --Pi zero (talk) 23:04, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

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Why did you remove this from the queue for six hours and then put it back? Also, why do you keep saying it's boring? Either it's news or it isn't. A reviewer might not get to an article because reviewers, like everyone on these projects, are volunteers; a reviewer might choose to apply their limited review time to another article because they suspect another article will be easier to review; but I think most reviewers are unlikely to shun an article because it's a bit boring (not that it couldn't happen, but I suspect it'd have to be spectacularly boring, and how boring can a short article be?). Btw, just because the article hasn't quite reached the end of its third day after (this has about three and a half hours left) doesn't necessarily mean it's still fresh. A reasonable reviewer could have some reason to draw the line anywhere on the second or third day after. --Pi zero (talk) 20:27, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I was trying to figure out why a reviewer has not attended to this story yet while at least two articles on the main page are currently stale. Ottawahitech (talk) 20:57, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * On Wikinews, stale is a term of art for an article that dosn't get published while still fresh. Articles once published do not go stale in this sense.  Our archives are a hugely valuable resource, a collection of over twenty thousand articles going back well over a decade.  A photo album, so to speak, of snapshots in time.  --Pi zero (talk) 21:05, 29 October 2017 (UTC)


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Puerto Rico power company cancels US$300 million Whitefish contract

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At the request of Puerto Rico Governor, the (PREPA) yesterday  announced it has cancelled a US$300 million contract with a Montana-based company called  amid concerns it may have been awarded improperly and the prices may be unusually high. Whitefish was to have rebuilt parts of the United States commonwealth's energy infrastructure, which was recently destroyed when struck the island.

According to Whitefish spokesperson Chris Chiames, Whitefish was "very disappointed" and may consider a lawsuit. He also said about 350 Whitefish employees have been working on Puerto Rico for the past month, and their efforts will restore power to much of soon. He noted, "We will certainly finish any work that [PREPA] wants us to complete and stand by our commitments." According to Governor Rosselló, Whitefish has already been paid eight million dollars.

The U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) questioned whether the prices negotiated were reasonable and how Whitefish came to be awarded the contract. Whitefish is two years old, when the contract was signed only two people worked for it full-time, and it has connections to the current U.S. . According to PREPA head Ricardo Ramos, FEMA approved the Whitefish deal, but FEMA officials said they did not.

Whitefish is based in the town of, Montana, the hometown of , who is currently serving as U.S. Secretary of the Interior in the administration of the US President Donald Trump. Zinke and Andy Techmanski, Whitefish's chief executive, are acquaintances, and Zinke's son worked for Whitefish one summer. The founder of one of Whitefish's financial backers, HBC Investments, has made nontrivial campaign contributions to Republicans and specifically to Trump.

Zinke told the public, "I had absolutely nothing to do with Whitefish Energy receiving a contract in Puerto Rico[...] Any attempts by the dishonest media or political operatives to tie me to awarding or influencing any contract involving Whitefish are completely baseless."

Zinke also posted online, "Only in elitist Washington DC would being from a small town be considered a crime."

The head of the U.S. House of Representatives, Republican , has sent PREPA a letter requesting documentation of the deal and an explanation of the means by which it was made.

Maria Cantwell, a Democrat serving on the called for "an investigation to determine how we got into this situation in the first place," saying "taxpayers should pay a fair rate for the emergency repairs Puerto Rico desperately needs, [...] not be gouged by Whitefish Energy or anyone else."

According to the Associated Press, in one copy of the Whitefish contract, each employee would be paid a US$80 food allowance each day, and US$1000 each time they fly to or from the mainland U.S., with hourly pay rates for foremen, linemen and mechanics in the hundreds of dollars.

The federal control board in charge of Puerto Rico's finances recently said they had appointed retired Colonel Noel Zamot to oversee the restoration of Puerto Rico's power infrastructure, but Governor Rosselló said Puerto Rico's own government is responsible for the power company, which has debts in the billions.

The Hurricane Maria struck Puerto Rico several weeks ago with high winds and intense rain. About 70% of Puerto Rico still has no electricity.

Puerto Rico was colonized by Spain and came under U.S. control in the in 1898, along with Guam and the Philippines. Every person born in Puerto Rico is a United States citizen by birth. Puerto Rican residents do not participate in national elections, and have a non-voting representative in the U.S. congress. Mostly, they are exempt from but not other federal taxes.


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There are power outages where I am (coincidence) so if this article goes unedited for too long, please go and finish it. Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:34, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

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The word you want isn't "accuracy." It's "specificity." $ and US$ are equally accurate, but US$ is more specific. Implying that someone's work was inaccurate can mean that you think they were wrong or dishonest. Save that for when you mean it. "Specific" has fewer negative connotations. Darkfrog24 (talk) 14:11, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Another useful word is "precision". --Pi zero (talk) 14:14, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Ooooh, yeah. That works too. Darkfrog24 (talk) 14:32, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Eleventh grade physics: what is accuracy and what is precision? While it might be confused to have the same meaning, but if you ever thought how much is a dollar, you would have understood what I meant. US$ would help most of the readers accurately calculate how much the value is it in their currency. If you want to complain about my edit summaries, go on, do it all day . Let me help you, using IP, I edited a page and wrote “fix” which autocorrect changed to fix. Edit summaries helps other people know what it was about. (It is funny that someone who hardly cares to explain anything in the edit summaries, or even care to write is saying this) And you had mentioned you don’t understand Pi zeroes detailed comments, how would you come to know why I said that. FWIW, you were inaccurate, not specifying something like this, keeping things ambiguous is something I don’t like to see on Wikinews. So yes, I mean it. You would not know why I feel it is so important to mention, but, when it comes to currencies, try to be accurate. Like in Egypt, they use Pound. (Not your pound, though) it could convey incorrect information. (Oh and didn’t you say many “Americans” didn’t know about USA PR relationship) acagastya PING ME! 14:43, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Please just think about what I said for a while. I mean that you are coming off as hostile when you do not need to. There's nothing incorrect or inaccurate about saying "red" about something that's scarlet, even if "scarlet" is more specific. (And yes I'm getting the definitions from science.) It looks like what's going on here is that you think this information needs to be given in the title and I think it's okay to wait until the reader gets to the lede.  That's a valid difference of opinion.  Just let what I said settle in your head for a while.
 * I think autocorrect might have changed something else to "fix" in this post. Darkfrog24 (talk) 17:01, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * No, it is wrong, and not at all a good journalistic approach to hide information, even if it is a lie. Headlines attract the readers. For example, what if it was Zimbabwe dollars? I remember writing an article where ABC Australia was used as a source and no where in the article about acquisition of some US companies did they mention it was US dollar or the Australian one. For you, a dollar is a dollar. For me, a US dollar is close to ₹65 while Australian is under ₹50 and Canadian is just above ₹50. Things matter. I am being hostile? I am trying to Male Wikinews different from those other news orgs who gets more than 50% of the information because of click bait, and misleading/partial information. And I would do anything to avoid Wikinews becoming one of those. We need to be strict and disciplined for not letting wrong things going out. If you don’t see what journalism is, like the way I do, you may come to think about anything. Then it does not matter if Eddie Redmayne likes Imperial Klein Blue or not. You can say that colour-blind actor wrote 30k word thesis on “blue” (wouldn’t that be what you would’ve said, No-Maj?). Details matter. (This reminds me the time you added something unimportant or mundane to the title and now, you don’t want to do something that should have been there. acagastya PING ME! 17:21, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

tweaking Redmayne’s quote, “It’s amazing that a word can be so emotional”. acagastya PING ME! 17:24, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Or what I read on pi zero's talk: "The difference between the almost right word and the right word is really a large matter — 'tis the difference between the lightning-bug and the lightning.— Samuel Clemens" acagastya PING ME! 11:28, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Review of revision 4359977 [Passed]
Regarding the AP sources, I did notice. They were not sufficiently independent to support the article alone, so I did not use them alone. This is one reason why I included the third source. But you will also notice that the two AP sources are not identical, and I drew information from both. I don't remember exactly which points came from which source off the top of my head, but I can check if you feel that's necessary.

I will not be asking you what every single one of your edit summaries means. Please assume that all of them have multiple plausible interpretations. If you feel like giving a one-word summary, do that. If you feel like giving a detailed summary, do that. "If it's unclear, ask" doesn't work here because I do not have any way of knowing whether the situation is unclear or not. Your meaning might seem obvious to me, and I might still be wrong about what you were getting at. There's no real way to tell. Just put whatever effort into your summaries that you think is reasonable and I will devote the appropriate amount of time and effort to reading them. Darkfrog24 (talk) 04:06, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * even if both the sources with AP content are different, it is NOT allowed. Think about it like a precaution against potential bias or incorrect stats or interpretation. acagastya PING ME! 04:37, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * To be clear, it is of course possible to use two somewhat-different AP articles, but for any of the purposes that motivate our two-source rule, those two AP articles are effectively one article; and I was concerned that the article leaned quite heavily on that "one" article. Should I have let it through?  Not sure.  I did let it through.  One potentially disconcerting thing about Wikinews is that mistakes, and dubious choices, too are permanently preserved in the archive, and one learns from them moving forward instead of (as one would on Wikipedia) continuing to revise them indefinitely. The fact that the other article was also AP wasn't in the source citation, and that was really important information that should have been there. Darkfrog24, is it not evident that when I say to 'ask if it's not clear', that means ask if you perceive it to be unclear?  Evidently one can't rationally ask someone to "ask if you think you understand but actually don't".  I'm also concerned that you don't seem to realize the implications of telling a reviewer you won't bother to read what they tell you about the review; this suggests a deep gap in your understanding of the review process, and I'm trying to figure out whether I can explain that to you.  (I've long sensed there was a gap somewhere, so this may actually be a useful clue.)  --Pi zero (talk) 05:41, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Right. I didn't consider the two articles independent of each other for corroboration purposes, so the New York Post was necessary rather than merely helpful.
 * I certainly did not mean to say that I don't bother to read your edit summaries but to be honest I don't do it every time. From my perspective, almost all of them are unclear, but that's how you write them.  It's simply not practical to ask either one of us to go to that much effort twenty times an article.  Go into detail when you feel like it.
 * I did pick something else up here too, but it's one of those times when asking the question might render you incapable of providing a useful answer. Darkfrog24 (talk) 12:02, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * ...Or maybe you don't understand it. But when you say New York Post was necessary than merely helpful, you should know and follow that any article should not have sources which were not used, or heavily depends on sources by same publisher. acagastya PING ME! 12:09, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, I think I see the disconnect: Yes I produce text for the Wikinews article based on information from each source or else I don't list that source. There have been times when I've edited or updated an article that was awaiting review and removed a source because I'd removed or replaced the text that it supported.  No I do not post sources that do not get used.  I know the review team has to read every one and I do not and would not waste your time like that. Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:16, 2 November 2017 (UTC)


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Re: Mobile World Congress 2018
Are you attending the event? --Gryllida 04:44, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

As this story was abandoned it has been deleted. (If you want to move it to user space instead just ask, that is an option.) --Gryllida (talk) 19:46, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

The Collision Conference 2018
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This clearly needs to be disambiguated to "Victoria, Australia". Doable, given a bit of free time. --Pi zero (talk) 15:21, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
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Kazakhstan: President Nazarbayev signs decree to change Kazakh characters from Cyrillic to Latin-based script

October 30, 2017 On Friday Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev signed a decree to change the country's official script for the from  to. The president announced signing the decree on his official website.

Per the decree, "a gradual transition of the Kazakh alphabet to the Latin-based script" is expected through 2025. Kazakh is currently written in a derived version of Cyrillic script, with their alphabet consisting of 42 characters, of which 33 characters which can be found in the Russian language. The other nine characters are for sounds used in Kazakh. Asserting modernisation, the ministry of foreign affairs said, "[Latin] is used by approximately 70 percent of all countries, making it an essential part of communicating across the globe, especially in terms of technology, business, science and education".

The language has been written in Cyrillic script for about 77 years, after it replaced Latin script in 1940, Back then, the modern-day Kazakhstan was part of the Soviet Union, and Latin script was used for Kazakh since 1929. Before that, Kazakh was written in.

Countries like Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, which also became independent after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, had switched from Cyrillic characters to Latin characters after gaining independence. In April, Nursultan Nazarbayev, who has been in power since the Soviet collapse in 1991, said, "By the end of 2017, after consultation with academics and representatives of the public, a single standard for the new Kazakh alphabet and script should be developed". He called using Cyrillic script "political".

Cyrillic script is used to write the Russian language, the second official language of Kazakhstan. Russians form a large ethnic group in the country, and the 2009 census indicated about 85% of the Kazakh population were Russian-fluent, while about 62 percent of the population could speak and write in Kazakh fluently.


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 * Ukraine Russia relations aren’t great, (as country ball comics shows, or the fact that VK is blocked in Ukraine or what an editor from ukwn said), but it was mentioned just to tell another (Slavic) language using that script. Just mentioning Russia seems to be biased. I wrote the article at 2:30, If I recall correctly, and I was sleepy. That is why I could not structure it properly. Agastya Chandrakant   ⚽ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰  02:28, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
 * And to avoid possible bias or lack of context for Russian language, I had mentioned how many spoke Russian. One source mentioned Russian will be an official language, but they were speculating. Hence I didn’t mention it. Agastya Chandrakant   ⚽ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰  02:31, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
 * for some reason, this appears to be published on November 7 in the DLP list. See Category:Acagastya (Wikinewsie). 🌟 04:16, 10 November 2017 (UTC)


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Messi is in Category:Argentina because he was born in Argentina, or because he is Argentine citizen? And what about those people who changed their citizenship, or holds multiple citizenship? acagastya PING ME! 06:30, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

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Fill this category acagastya PING ME! 06:39, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) FC Barcelona defeats Sevilla FC 5-4 to win UEFA Super Cup 2015
 * 2) Barça thrashes Real Madrid 4-0 in first El Clásico 2015/2016
 * 3) Messi passes from penalty for Suárez's hat-trick as Barça beats Celta 6-1
 * 4) Alves to leave FC Barcelona
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Some articles that should be in this category: acagastya PING ME! 06:52, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
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 * 2) Football: Both Manchester teams out of Europe as Bilbao and Sporting profit
 * 3) UEFA Euro 2016, Last 16: Italy-Spain and England-Iceland
 * 4) Gerrard announces retirement from professional football
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 * 6) Football's Rooney returns to Everton
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It is a travesty he is not in Category:Manchester United F.C.. I'm sorry, but it's just wrong. --SVTCobra 21:51, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

 * I've quoted this remark at Category talk:Cristiano Ronaldo, where the flagged discussion is. --Pi zero (talk) 22:34, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

 * There have been no objections, so I added ManU. --SVTCobra 00:22, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

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