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Empty "Opinions/Comments" subpages
Seems that a lot of "Opinions"/"Comments:" subpages of published articles have been created with banners. However, most of them are lacking comments or opinions. I don't need to provide examples, do I? What to do with them? --George Ho (talk) 07:29, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree that if they don't have comments after [x] days, then they should probably be deleted. Certainly, users can provide feedback on a news event from four years ago but no one is going to see it. Having a redlink will probably discourage any of those discussions. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:27, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, one of my long-term projects is creating such pages for those archived articles that don't have them. There is no expiration date on discussion of an archived article.  --Pi zero (talk) 21:22, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
 * This is easily done if you want. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:17, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Tbh I'd rather not do it by bot. You know me, I have a thing about the human touch; various special concerns come up in specific cases.  The one that comes to mind is that, occasionally, the reason an article doesn't have a comments page is that the article got moved and the user doing it somehow forgot to move the comments page with it; then one has to figure out exactly what happened and carefully move the comments page to rejoin the article page, fixing any multiple redirects.  Getting that wrong could result in an article with two comments pages; and I have doubts that LQT would even make it possible to merge two such LQT groupings; I'd be afraid to try, as LQT can severely mess things up, and I'd rather not have to devote resources to trying. Btw I also like to be sure, while I'm at it, that the article has a haveyoursay template (or one of the seldom-used alternatives); and if it does already have haveyoursay, I give the article a null edit after creating the comments page.  I track all this stuff using Whatlinkshere for haveyoursay and its subtemplate haveyoursay/missing/link; the latter produces a list of pages that use haveyoursay but don't have a comments page, and after creating the comments page a null edit gets the article off that list.  In principle, articles that don't transclude haveyoursay should have it added, but since there are hundreds of pages on the missing-link list I've never gotten around to that further administrative task.  --Pi zero (talk) 12:16, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * But that would be a trivially-easy problem to solve with a semi-automatic editor as well... —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:10, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, it seems in theory it should be straightforward to do with semi-automation. To be clear on how all these pieces fit together:  I mean to make such things easy in practice to do via wiki markup.  I've got most-or-all of the primitive wiki-markup elements needed; but I always knew there would be a later phase of development, in which I'd have to learn idioms for using the primitives, and I've been fascinated to discover this is much more true than I'd quite realized.  Since I've got enough of the primitives operational, I've found that actually coordinating them to perform a high-level operation, even a seemingly straightforward one, can be extraordinarily difficult.  The solution I have in mind is one of those things that can seem obvious once one has it in mind.  I always meant to build semi-automation to help with difficult tasks, and it turns out that building semi-automation is a difficult task, so I mean to build a semi-automated meta-assistant, to help with building and maintaining semi-automation.  No small design challenge, to thoroughly embrace flexibility so it doesn't limit what can be done with it.  --Pi zero (talk) 22:22, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Germane thread on en.wp about writing on news events
See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)&oldid=798423730#Creation_of_articles_on_criminal_events_particularly_claimed_links_to_terrorism_and_similar_incidents —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:11, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

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Proposal/technical: BlockerBot
It has been more than fifteen months since I requested admin rights to fight vandals and spammers. They come, they vandal, and they get blocked. One common patter can be observed that most of the helpline vandals are active when Pi zero is afk. Also to note, many usernames hint they might be the work of same user because most of the names had a Hindu origin, and some, Muslim -- indicating it is a good chance they operate during day time in India. While this is just as assumption, many a times, there is no admin available -- I ping Tom Morris on Twitter, i drop a message on IRC hoping an admin sees it when they are on-wiki, I leave talk page messages, or even request global blocks. But until they are blocked -- they are free to do anything they want -- though revision check prevents the damage. So, there should be a bot, which can block editors temporarily until an admin is available. Editors, who can be trusted for requesting the block can only request the bot to block someone. The bot would send a notification to admins on the project project, and if any admin sees it, they can clear the notification, and choose if there is a need for permanent blockage, or whatever. The thing is -- granting anyone admin rights just to fight vandalism might not be okay, and it is possible for a vandal to abuse editing rights while no admin is on the site -- but some editors might be -- and they can prevent vandals. acagastya PING ME! 10:54, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * gpy could announce block and speedy deletion requests on live chat to ease the task for people who do not have the wiki open in a separate tab right now? --Gryllida (talk, chat) 11:00, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If open in a tab, the wiki could show banners or do html5 notifications when a new speedy deletion or block request is added? --Gryllida (talk, chat) 11:00, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

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In Malaysia's high court, pathologist testifies Kim Jong Nam was killed by weapon of mass destruction

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On Wednesday, pathologist Mohd Shah Mahmood testified before Malaysia's high court in the trial of and, who stand accused of killing Kim Jong Nam, the estranged half-brother of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. Mohd Shah, an employee of the Malaysian government, testified that, by international treaty a weapon of mass destruction, caused Kim's death, and Judge Azmi Ariffin officially admitted tissue and fluid samples as evidence. Both Aisyah and Huong are subject to the death penalty if convicted of killing Kim.

The samples were sealed in plastic when presented at court, but the judge and lawyers for both the prosecution and defense nonetheless wore protective gloves and masks to examine them. Both the North Korean government and Aisyah's lawyer have said the victim may have died of a heart attack or some cause other than VX nerve agent.

Mohd Shah based his conclusion on VX nerve agent in Kim's system and on the timing of Kim's death: he expired on the way to a hospital, less than two hours after encountering Aisyah and Huong. He also testified Kim Jong Nam had six different medications in his system, one a common Viagra heart-condition treatment, but no indications of a heart attack when he examined Kim's body. He also said neither this nor the other medicines Kim was taking would have killed him quickly.

Aisyah's lawyer, Gooi Soon Seng, argued the autopsy reports indicate only that Kim was killed by chemical poisoning, not necessarily by VX nerve agent, and Mohd Shah admitted under he does not have much experience with VX and other nerve agents.

Siti Aisyah, 25, and Doan Thi Huong, age given as 28 or 29, pled not guilty of murdering Kim Jong Nam on Monday, though they do not contest they met him. Both were represented by lawyers hired by their home countries' respective governments. Both women are on video approaching Kim in Kuala Lumpur International Airport where one of them sprayed him with liquid, but they both claimed they had been hired to spray travelers with a harmless substance as part of a prank TV show. Aisyah's lawyer, Gooi Soon Seng, told the press his client had already performed the prank several times, always with oil or pepper. According to the police, the two men who hired Huong and Aisyah were Hong Song Hac and Ri Ji U, North Koreans who avoided questioning by, respectively, fleeing Malaysia and remaining within the North Korean embassy.

Huong's lawyer, Hisyam Teh Poh Teik, said after a prosecution phase of probably about two months, at the Judge's discretion the defense would proceed. Proceedings earlier this week included testimony from an airport employee, a police officer who spoke to the dying Kim, and pathologists who examined samples from Kim, Huong and Aisyah. Dr. Norashikin Othman of Hospital Kuala Lumpur testified Kim Jong Nam's blood, liver and other tissues appeared to have been depleted of cholinesterase, an enzyme we need to move. "The low cholinesterase level in Kim Chol could be caused by exposure to poisons such as insecticide or nerve agents," he said, and that Huong and Aisyah both had normal levels of cholinesterase. He said the two women could have protected themselves by washing their hands, which both women did that day, or by taking antidote. Gooi Soon Seng told the press the prosecution had not disclosed this information to the defense before Norashikin's testimony: "This piece of evidence was never served to us".

South Korean has maintained this was part of a plan on the part of Kim Jong Un or his government to assassinate Kim Jong Nam, who had once been his father Kim Jong Il's heir apparent. They had a falling out in 2001 and Kim Jong Nam had been living quietly with his family in.

The events surrounding Kim's death have included diplomatic troubles between the formerly friendly North Korea and Malaysia, a hostage exchange, ambassador expulsions, and a break-in at the mortuary that housed Kim's remains.

Earlier statements from Malaysia's health ministry asserted Kim died within twenty minutes of his encounter at the airport, but testimony given this week differed from this.


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Talk:In Malaysia's high court, pathologist testifies Kim Jong Nam was killed by weapon of mass destruction

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if you want to edit it, remove the review tag. acagastya PING ME! 11:35, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll assume you mean the cholinesterase update from this morning. I used to mark the article "development" and then switch it back to "review," but this bumped it to the end of the line, and, at least at that time, that appeared to affect the order in which it was reviewed.  I had a lot of articles age out while I was doing that, so I stopped.
 * Did you experience an edit conflict this morning? Darkfrog24 (talk) 17:23, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Alternative to removing from the review queue, one could add editing to the top.) --Pi zero (talk) 17:47, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Sometimes I do that, but this wasn't a big job. Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:53, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * no, I wasn’t going to review and didn’t encounter an ec, but I don’t think any reviewer would want to review an article which is marked for review by he author is still editing it. acagastya PING ME! 20:16, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * That's a good point. If one is considering undertaking a review (which, come think I was was considering first thing when I got up this morning, right around when the edits were made), it can be a real warn-off to see the article is actively changing atm.  --Pi zero (talk) 22:12, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * experience is a good teacher. If you remember, I asked you about editing articles after submitting, when I first joined Wikinews. acagastya PING ME! 23:06, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * There's "actively edited" and then there's "a day passed, so I changed the 'todays' to 'Mondays' and updated the paragraph on yesterday's testimony. We have a small review team, reviews take time, sometimes during that time new sources are published, so I can and should incorporate that information where appropriate.  Nature of the beast. Darkfrog24 (talk) 23:51, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, absolutely, nobody's arguing against the edits themselves. The question is how to optimize the interaction of the edit action with perception by reviewers.  --Pi zero (talk) 00:15, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

I don’t think you got what I was say. At the same time, I am convinced pizero and I, we are talking about the exact same thing. shall we try the etherpad once? Most of it would be off wiki, with a edit history that isn’t really helpful. But we, as in you and I should try it once. Just to know if it is a good idea, and what should be done for improvement. I have already tried with numbermaniac. Time saver. But there are some things you would not like. Willing to try? acagastya PING ME! 03:24, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * There. I used the editing tag and did the updates when you two are likely to be off-Wiki.  That oughtta do it. Darkfrog24 (talk) 00:50, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * FYI, it is very rare that none of us is off-wiki at the same time. And believe me, I spend more time on-wiki than not. Time zone plays its part, too. Looks like my comment affected you a lot. But I told just so that we could save time. acagastya PING ME! 07:22, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Sometimes the things you say affect me a lot. Don't worry, this was not one of those times.  Dealing with complaining isn't fun but you kept it on topic.  Darkfrog24 (talk) 10:33, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I took the basic comment as a suggestion, rather than a complaint. An advantage of the editing tag is that it can more crisply define when the article is being worked on; in particular removing the editing tag is a sort of "okay, go ahead and review it now" declaration.  --Pi zero (talk) 11:38, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Review status
In a lengthy review session this evening, I've verified the first five paragraphs, and the first sentence of the sixth, leaving five paragraphs (less one sentence) not yet verified.

Observations thus far: --Pi zero (talk) 03:29, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Some passages were decidedly similar to sources, at a sentence/paragraph structural level. There should be no resemblance; I made some edits to try to reduce some particularly problematic similarities, but I can't do much about such things without disqualifying myself from reviewing the article.  Such solutions ought to be avoided by using totally dissimilar structure, which would be entirely beyond reviewer's purview.  High-quality synthesis text thoroughly rearranges the material, so a synthesis passage is likely to contain information from distant points in the sources, while information that started in a single source passage is apt to end up widely scattered in the synthesis; all done smoothly, with thoroughly unforced arrangement.
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User:Nikunj3121994

Nikunj3121994
Nikunj3121994 is a username of wikipedia user which is use by Nikunj J Patel.

Introduction
Nikunj Patel from Mehsana,Gujrat is a wikipedia user and wellknown engineer in City Mehsana. He was born in City Jamnagar of Gujrat at 3rd december, 1994.He was shifted with his family to Deesa of Gujrat.He complete his kindergtam education there.Then he shifted to Tundav,Unjha, where he complete his primary education upto 7 standard.Then all family again shifted to City Mehsana.He complete his education from 8 to 10 in Urban bank school and 11 and 12 th science in Maths in Chorasi Vidhyalaya.Then he pursued engineering degree in Mechanical engineering in Vishwakarma Government Engineering College,Gandhinagar.

Wikipedia
He started wikipedia using from 1st year of engineering, but after competing engineering he become actively participate in wikipedia.He reads the page, edit page and also write information regarding page of wikipedia.He is also active writer in Quora.You can contact him at email nikunj3121994@gmail.com He is having very good knowldge of Mechanical, maths ,Computer programming.

Quora
Nikunj J Patel is actively participated in Quora since 2014, but he does not question or answer until 2017 start.He start question and answer after April 2017 and actively participate after that.

Number of views
He has more than 395 K question view and more than 21.4 K answer views.

He know Mechanical software likes:

 * Autocad
 * Solidworks
 * Creo
 * Ansys

He also know Computer software likes:

 * C
 * C++
 * C
 * Python
 * Java
 * Android
 * HTML
 * Cascading Style Sheets(CSS)
 * Java Script
 * Ruby (programming language) fundamental
 * Swift (programming language) fundamental

Exam and Rank
Nikunj J Patel give First exam of Navoday. He does not selected for that one.

He also give exam of 10th board ,where he got 85.69 %.

Then he gives 12th board exam, got 88 percentage and 418 rank in Gujrat.

He passed AIEEE exam by getting 120 marks out of total 360 marks.And get a rank of 60000 in All india.

He then joined mechanical engineering in Vishwakarma goverment engineering college,Ahmedabad. He is not topper but pass with passing class.

Then at last year, he give GATE exam , wher he got 52 mark and 6511 rank in all india.

After one year of preparation for Gate exam, he again write GATE exam , where he got 53.90 marks and 8662 rank.

MTech in MNIT,Jaipur
Nikunj J Patel get admission in MNIT,Jaipur.He get admission in Metallargy and material science.

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If this account had been otherwise well-behaved, I'd have blocked it as an unacceptable username due to (obviously deliberate) similarity to the username of an established Wikinewsie. --Pi zero (talk) 00:24, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

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US rock artist Tom Petty dies at 66

October 5, 2017

At the age of 66, US musician  suffered cardiac arrest on Monday morning and died that evening at the UCLA Medical Center, Santa Monica in California, according to reports.

Petty, born in, Florida in 1950, was best known as the lead singer of. With the Heartbreakers and as a solo artist, Petty recorded a number of hit singles. He was one of the best-selling music artists of all time, selling more than 80 million records worldwide over the course of his career. He was inducted into the in 2002. Petty also co-founded the late 1980s the.

Petty had a number of acting roles on and, playing the mayor of a post-apocalyptic town in the 1997 Kevin Costner film  . In 2002, Petty appeared on ' episode "" and from 2004 to 2009 voiced character Lucky on '.

Petty married Jane Benyo in 1974, and they divorced in 1996. With Benyo, Petty had two daughters, and Annakim. He married Dana York in 2001, acquiring a stepson named Dylan from her earlier marriage. He is also survived by a younger brother, Bruce, and a granddaughter, Everly.

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Review of revision 4352397 [Not ready]

 * Fixing... Quinton Feldberg (talk) 01:46, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
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Review of revision 4352439 [Not ready]

 * you have mentioned it passes newsworthiness criteria. But, it is three days old, and heavily covered in MSM. I am comfortable calling it fresh. What do you say? acagastya PING ME! 07:29, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not pretending the freshness factor is ideal, but I'm okay with it. --Pi zero (talk) 11:18, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It's worth noting this is by a new arrival at Wikinews who's still learning, and significant effort has gone into this article. I imagine those things shade my attitude toward the article's freshness a bit.  --Pi zero (talk) 12:38, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I remember. My third article which was published. Was a MSM in sports. But was the second day. So thought about asking. acagastya PING ME! 14:23, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Review of revision 4352689 [Passed]

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editprotected Please remove the "a" from "playing a the mayor" and change the link from The Postman (1997 film to The Postman (film). Heavy Water (talk) 20:09, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ --SVTCobra 22:31, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


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Thread:Comments:US rock artist Tom Petty dies at 66/According to Wikipedia there were reports that Petty died Sunday night

According to Wikipedia there were reports that Petty died Sunday night
I see at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Petty#Death that there was speculation the death occurred on Sunday night.


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“According to Wikipedia?”—there is nothing according to Wikipedia, technically it is according to reports Wikipedia is using as reference.


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Double redirect. Quinton Feldberg (talk) 15:46, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Please resolve. Quinton Feldberg (talk) 23:44, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Please resolve. Quinton Feldberg (talk) 18:38, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The way to handle something like this is not to ping some individual user, but to put editprotected on the talk page. Or perhaps post a single request somewhere with a link to the special page (I forget which it is exactly, but surely there is one) showing multiple redirects.  Note btw that these are not urgent matters; they should be resolved, yes, but this is a news site and the urgent matters are mostly to do with current news production.  Our archives are massively valuable, and we actively curate them, but doing so is not an up-to-the-minute sort of thing.  --Pi zero (talk) 18:46, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
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Researchers find preserving spotted owl habitat may not require a tradeoff with wildfire risk after all

October 8, 2017

In a study scheduled for publication in the December 1 issue of Forest Ecology and Management, scientists from the ; Forest Service Pacific Southwest Research Station; and  have found a way to resolve the conflict that has sprung up between protecting forests from increasingly frequent wildfires and droughts and preserving sufficient habitat for the endangered, Strix occidentalis. The study was performed in two national parks in California, United States. For the past twenty-five years, spotted owl habitat preservation has focused on keeping 70% or more of the total ground area covered by natural tree canopy, a tree density that leaves forests prone to wildfires and trees more likely to die during droughts. Both wildfires and droughts have become more frequent in the years since the program began.

However, the previous studies upon which the 70% figure was based only measured overall canopy coverage. In this work, researchers used aerial (Light Detection And Ranging) imaging technology to scan areas within  and  in California. The regions were analyzed by distribution of foliage, tree height, and the sizes of the spaces between trees and stands. These data were then cross-referenced with decades of field studies showing the locations of hundreds of owl nests. They found that spotted owls clustered in areas with very tall trees and stands almost exclusively, over 150 feet (48 m), avoiding areas that only had moderate or low canopy, regardless of how dense or wide.

"This could fundamentally resolve the management problem because it would allow for reducing small tree density, through fire and thinning," said lead author Malcolm North, of UC Davis and the USDA Pacific Southwest Research Station. "We've been losing the large trees, particularly in these extreme wildfire and high drought-mortality events. This is a way to protect more large tree habitat, which is what the owls want, in a way that makes the forest more resilient to these increasing stressors that are becoming more intense with climate change." The spotted owl gained national prominence in the United States during the 1990s, when environmentalists' efforts to preserve its habitat resulted in federal measures forbidding logging on large swaths of land, as well as federal limits on the sales of harvested wood. There was a 1995 U.S. Supreme Court case which was preceded by lawsuits on the part of timber companies and by years of large protests by timber workers and their communities who feared job losses. For a time, it seemed that the spotted owl was also threatened by competition from the faster-breeding, which had moved west into its territory.

This is not the only major study of spotted owls to reach the public eye this week. On Thursday, the released the California Spotted Owl Conservation Objectives Report, which analyzes the past several decades of research on the California spotted owl and provides recommendations for ecologically and economically viable conservation.


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The corroborating articles seem to be cropping up this afternoon and evening. Collaboration is very welcome. If anyone can find a source (other than the old NYT article I read back in the day) corroborating the bit about habitat preservation for the cute owl also saving ugly species, that'd be great. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:51, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Yuba.net
Here is their About Us page. Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:21, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The Yuba is the only one that didn't look like a copy of the university press release. Probably because it was written by one of the other organizations responsible for the study, which means it's not fully independent.  I am providing it here in case anyone wants to go through the quotations offered and add or replace. Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:23, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Replaced Yuba with press release straight from the forestry station website, so whether or not they're a real news source is moot. Why use a middleman? Darkfrog24 (talk) 12:09, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

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It took some digging to find out what was going on with this one. The official publication date: December 1, 2017, almost two months from now. Date the study was made available for purchase online: September 28 or so. Date of press releases from the organizations that performed the study: October 4 and 5, 2017. So they opened the door last week but waited until this week to yell "THE DOOR IS OPEN."

We've been discussing freshness and science articles over by the water cooler. Most of you know my view on this, and I wouldn't hit review if I didn't think it was fit for Wikinews (which means as of this post I'm waiting on independent corroboration and this could all be moot), but I want this issue front and center so no one gets surprised or feels tricked. Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:54, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I guess we could treat the event as "reaching the public eye this week." Darkfrog24 (talk) 13:10, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree. Most of the material seems to have been published on October 5th and 6th, so it's within the standard 3 day limit. As for it being "released" (but not publicized) earlier, I always like to bring up the cases where someone dies, but it doesn't hit the news for 2 months because no one knew it happened. The story starts when people hear about it, not when the event happens. That's even more true in science reporting. — Gopher65talk 17:42, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Notes on sourcing
A few things to streamline the process:

 * I don't want this one to get away from us, so I've stopped waiting for someone to write an article from scratch: Multiple publications have endorsed the same two press releases by publishing them.
 * The Sierra Sun Times article is talking about another study; it's used for the mention of that study and of the three types of owl.
 * The NPR source is used solely to support the statement that barred owls were outcompeting spotted owls.

Darkfrog24 (talk) 13:09, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Gotta request discussion on this one.

Many different news sources, independent of each other, are reprinting the same two press releases put out by the research team. The press releases are often copied word for word. Does this satisfy Wikinews' independent corroboration requirement? Thoughts? Darkfrog24 (talk) 20:30, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Well, the same article syndicated in multiple places is still just one article, no help for independent corroboration. Keep in mind, we want independent sources for a variety of reasons — basically, it can help bolster four out of five of the review criteria (excepting, perhaps, Style).  --Pi zero (talk) 21:00, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Well I'll give this another check later but it looks like the dating issue may be moot after all. A pity.  I think we all needed cute animals not burning houses down after a week like this. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:25, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

did you find an independent corroborating source for this? I would be delighted to hear you had. The other option is to kick this article to "prepared" and see if anything interesting happens at the official release date on Dec. 1. Darkfrog24 (talk) 15:38, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Here's my thought on this: every science news story (or almost every one) comes from a single press release. That's just the way it is, because that's the way the information is released. Multiple news organizations then take that press release and write their own take on it, but it all ultimately comes from a single source, pretty much always. That doesn't mean it can't be reported on, any more than when an event happens in a remote area of the world, and it just so happens that the only journalist on the ground is a single BBC reporter who was on vacation. Every article published is going off the word of that one reporter, but we still count it as "multiple sources", because one is written by BBC and the other by Reuters. — Gopher65talk 17:45, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Review of revision 4353828 [Passed]

 * One thing that I'll note is that I'm a little iffy on the title of this page. Is it ok? Who=Researches. What=Owls. Where=Habitats. I think it satisfies those, and while it doesn't list a country, I'm not sure that a biology article really *needs* to list a country in the title like a political article does. I'm still a little bit unsure about it, but I *think* that it's ok for publication. — Gopher65talk 18:13, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * No I did not take the species names from Wikipedia. I classified that under "general knowledge," seeing this one on this science website and that one in that bird book, but if you think it would be better to list Audobon or something I can certainly do that.
 * I generally don't mind when other people change the titles, but I suppose there will be enough readers who don't know the spotted owl is from the Pacific Northwest. The easiest way would be to say "U.S. researchers find..." even though that says where the research teams are from and not where the owl lives.  We could also say "Researchers find preserving spotted owl habitat may not require a tradeoff with wildfire risk in the Pacific Northwest after all" or "Researchers find preserving spotted owl habitat in western North America may not require a tradeoff with wildfire risk after all." Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:35, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree that scientific names are general knowledge since they can be checked easily. This page from the US Forest Service gives the common and scientific names of the three subspecies. IUCN lists a fourth subspecies from Mexico, juanaphillipsae. —mikemoral (talk) 20:04, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The notion of "obvious" facts has two levels. The ones we explicitly wave the need for sourcing on are those that are so obvious that really pretty-much everybody knows them, so a reviewer is very unlikely to have to have the slightest doubt about them and thus have any need to look them up.  Our standard example of an obvious fact, "Paris is in France", is obvious in that sense.  It is neither necessary nor even desirable to provide sourcing in a news article for the statement "Paris is in France".  But then there are facts that are stable enough that they aren't actually controversial, but most reviewers won't know for sure without investigating somehow.  Like "the scientific name for the spotted owl is Strix occidentalis".  Some statements like that actually are controversial, most aren't, but even if it isn't, most people don't carry it around in their head.  A reviewer who encounters that, without sourcing for it, could reasonably choose at their discretion either to double-check it and let it stand, or to remove it as unsourced, being cautious (I would be surprised if any reviewer considered it consequential enough in itself to justify a not-ready, though I could imagine mentioning it in review comments while not-ready'ing for something else).  However, as a reporter you really should be trying to provide documentation for stuff like that — because review is a miserably complicated tedious affair as it is, and anything that can reasonably be done to make it easier ought to be done.  (Sometimes such things may be occasion for leaving notes for the reviewer on the article talk page when writing an article, to help them know when they oughtn't strain themselves looking for something straightforward in a place where it isn't to be found.)  --Pi zero (talk) 14:29, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Abbreviation style
The past few years we've been allowing the style without periods, "US" etc., as an acceptable alternative to the older traditional style "U.S." etc. The style without periods does have the advantage of being less visually cluttered. Nowadays either style is surely acceptable, though we ought to be consistent within a given article. I get that this sort of picky detail can get under people's skin, but I would point out that it's not very important. (I also point out that there is no such thing as "US style" or "UK style"; the continuum of possible styles is absolutely not partitioned that way.) --Pi zero (talk) 13:28, 11 October 2017 (UTC)


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Pakistan: At least 18 killed, others wounded in suicide attack at Balochistan Sufi shrine

October 8, 2017 According to varying reports, at least eighteen people were killed and at least 20 were injured in a suicide attack at Fateh Pur shrine in district, located in Pakistan's western province of Balochistan on Thursday.

Devotees had gathered at the shrine, built in honour of Saint Pir Rakhel Shah, for the annual anniversary ritual. A policeman reportedly stopped the attacker at the gate of shrine before the attacker detonated the bomb. Local official Asad Kakar said, "Suicide bomber struck outside the shrine at the time it was packed with people". The militant group Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant claimed responsibility for the attack via the .

There have been several other attacks on Sufi shrines. In February, about 80 people were killed in a suicide attack in 's shrine in, a town in Sindh province. About 50 people were killed in another attack on the shrine of Shah Noorani, located in, Balochistan, on November 12, 2016. ISIL claimed responsibility for both.


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Bassel Khartabil / Wikipedian and more / Wikimania 2017
Today I have written this article in Dutch language (English sources) on the death of (25 languages on Wikipedia, 2 languages on Wikiquote, and a category on Commons). He has disappeared in October 2015 (and probably was killed that month in a Syrian prison as well). His wife got the message about 10 days ago of him being executed. His death was published on August 1, 2017. He was a known open software pioneer initiating Creative Commons in Arab language, programming and initiating several other open software projects. He was also regularly participating at Wikipedia. Jimmy Wales has replied several times on Twitter and the Foundation issued a press release on August 3 (see here). My question is on freshness: can I still translate my article into English? If so, after having translated it, I would like to seek participation from the people at the "Editathon for Bassel" Saturday (tomorrow) at Wikimania in Montreal. Maybe they want to correct something or make a news article in other languages too. But I first would like to be informed if it is OK over here because of the deadlines. I'm pretty sure Jimmy Wales would advice to accept this article. Ymnes (talk) 14:14, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It depends on what the article is focusing on. If the article is about his death, an obituary, (his wife was notified ten days ago, so it is not fresh) Anything which happened in the last three days is fine. But for obituaries, the only recent thing is who announced the death, and cause of death and perhaps who survived. The rest of the article is obviously what they did in their life time which is totally okay. As far as Jimmy Wales is concerned, they a) do not really understand how Wikinews works and b) do not ave special rights to bend rules on the project just because he is a co-founder (I read this on Wikipedia, I don't know which page exactly) By the way, if the attenders of Wikimania paid tribute to them, you could refocus on that, and add the obituary in it. That should do. acagastya PING ME! 15:27, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I hoped the elements of Wikipedia, the Free Bassel Khartabil campaign that has been on dozens of Wikimedia projects and the special press release from the Foundation would give this subject an opportunity to be accepted under the freshness rules of Wikimedia subjects. Ymnes (talk) 15:45, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The part most of us forget that along with the word wiki, in this project's name, there is a word news, which has to be new. For articles mentioning about other Wikimedia projects, the standards are set high so that "not-news" type articles are not submitted which are primarily targetted to advertise about other wikis. If you are following the Wikimania, and if they pay tribute to them, which I feel they would, focus the article to "Wikimania pays tribute to XYZ" and that would be totally fine. acagastya PING ME! 15:55, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. I'm not there in Montreal, by the way. Ymnes (talk) 16:07, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * You could follow the live stream. Else, you can ask other Wikinewsies who are attending the event. (Just in case you were in that group, you would have known, but) User:Ezarate of Spanish Wikinews (who speaks English) is attending the event. acagastya PING ME! 17:13, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I have pinged him too. I'll wait if they need my help at all. It must be crowded there with wiki geeks :-) Ymnes (talk) 17:28, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I would notify them off-wiki about this discussion. acagastya PING ME! 17:44, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * is this what we are looking for (series of three tweets)? 103.254.128.118 (talk) 19:43, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Who are you? The tweets were at August 1th, scroll back here. The press release was here Ymnes (talk) 20:09, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * No, the tweets are of yesterday. The blog article that is linked is dated August 11. It mentions
 * The article can focus on this, and you could also include the obituary -- but the focus has to be on their inauguration -- at least a couple of paragraphs should suffice. Obituary can be beneath in. And to answer "who are you?", it was my IP. acagastya PING ME! 05:44, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Can you write it and someone else make a review right afterwards? This article would be a nice template to be translated into other languages at the Wikimania workshop. Please don't forget to mention the existence of your article at the project there. It would be great if you would. Thank you in advance! Ymnes (talk) 07:56, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I can. But I should ask if someone else would like to write about it so that even I can review it. If nobody does, then I would try. acagastya PING ME! 07:59, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It would be nice when the article is written and reviewed before the editathon in Montreal starts. Do you think this will develop so expeditiously? Ymnes (talk) 08:38, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It would be nice when the article is written and reviewed before the editathon in Montreal starts. Do you think this will develop so expeditiously? Ymnes (talk) 08:38, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

I really doubt that. Even if someone else submits it, I would need assistance from an experienced reviewer as it involves WMF. If I am going to write about it, it would be reviewed by Pi zero, and this isn't the time they would review. acagastya PING ME! 09:50, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


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Talk:Pakistan: At least 18 killed, others wounded in suicide attack at Balochistan Sufi shrine

Review of revision 4353132 [Not ready]

 * Since things are too close to sources, can you please hide the content and history? I would re-write this article now. acagastya PING ME! 18:18, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅. --Pi zero (talk) 18:21, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Copyright
Dear, what copyright infringement did you find here? I mean, the article was written in the pure tone of English dailies published in Pakistan.--Asadwarraich (talk) 07:01, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * the problem is not with the quality of English. Sentences were too close to what was written in the sources. Almost like it was copied from the source and changed a few words. You have to write it by yourself in your own words. 223.237.232.44 (talk) 07:05, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, I did not do it. All English dailies are written in the same tone as I did here. Nothing was copied from anywhere. I wrote this article in my own wording. Perhpas, there's been some mistake.--Asadwarraich (talk) 07:17, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * You better check the wording of 'Dawn' or 'Express Tribune'.--Asadwarraich (talk) 07:18, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * We've checked and it looks exactly the same. Quinton Feldberg (talk) 20:59, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

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There isn't much in the sources which would take time. The first three sources are about the current event. The last two are about the attacks that took place in February and November. The link(s):
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 * 3) acagastya  PING ME! 22:21, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Do not publish it
Rename the article before publishing. Long title is not a valid rationale for renaming it to something which doesn’t say something unique, or where it happened. 103.254.128.50 (talk) 18:49, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Not your call. Quinton Feldberg (talk) 18:50, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

 * I agree, this title is entirely unacceptable. --Pi zero (talk) 18:53, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * this might sound rude, very rude, but why the hell do you think I can not comment about it? I have every right to raise the concerns. For I am the (co-)author of this article, I do have rights for asking how I want my article’s title to be. Besides, anyone is free to speak what is wrong with it since Wikinews is collaborative project. And what I am addressing is basic thing of journalism. I personally hate when I find news articles with incomplete information, do you think I would let it happen to my articles? You would probably not know about Balochistan, and perhaps would not care. If this had happened in Paris, or Las Vegas, you might even have kept the city names in the headline. But Wikinews is for global audience. You don’t have the first world advantage here. For it is possible for readers to know what Balochistan is, and mentioning that would help those group. For those who do not know, these two three words of information would actually reduce ambiguity. Pakistan might not be a first world country or as big as the US, but still, bringing up Balochistan reduces guess work and the place’s history and politics itself has a role. 103.254.128.50 (talk) 19:07, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Uh, crap. This happened while I was in the process of reviewing. What title would you suggest? — Gopher65talk 18:55, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I feel I was allowing myself to be infected by the general atmosphere of alarm being spread about. Although it's not an ideal headline, I think we'll survive it.  --Pi zero (talk) 19:06, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Ah, I misread it. Doh.  --Pi zero (talk) 18:55, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Or did I misread it? Or was it renamed... Bleah.  I worry too much.  (But, Quinton Feldberg, when one has genuine concerns about an article before publication, one should post them on the talk page, so the reviewer is aware of those concerns.  Not mentioning them is a disservice to the project.  --Pi zero (talk) 18:57, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Please log in when contributing. It makes your edit history easier to follow. No need to sock as an IP. Thank you. Quinton Feldberg (talk) 19:00, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I don’t agree on this. Sometimes, time and message matters more than who is saying it. 103.254.128.50 (talk) 19:13, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Alright, how would everyone feel about this: "Pakistan: At least 22 killed, 30 wounded in Balochistan suicide attack". It keeps away from the "+" sign, which was my biggest objection in the previous title, and it's only one word longer. — Gopher65talk 19:12, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * How about adding to the end of the current headline "at Balochistan Sufi shrine"? --Pi zero (talk) 19:17, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and moved it, on the theory if we're going to do that we should do it sooner rather than later. --Pi zero (talk) 19:34, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that addresses the concerns 103.254.128.50 brought up. — Gopher65talk 19:37, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Alas, an additional change to the lede prompted an additional headline change. --Pi zero (talk) 20:01, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Why do you need to edit while logged out. Why divide your edit history? Quinton Feldberg (talk) 20:09, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * you would not understand what has happened in the last 90 minutes or so, (talking about the renaming thing), but this is not "socking" as such. I am not voting against publishing the article. And as a matter of fact, reviewers do not entertain someone's plea to not publish an article for silly reasons. This, however was not silly. It has much deeper meaning than you might feel (two years ago, I might not have understood this because lack of experience) Coming to the part why I did not login, and fragmented my edit history: I don't care for my edit history, or number of edits. I would have to login at the middle of the night, and write the message, when the article could have been published any moment. Renaming an article after publishing is something we don't want to do. I am not from a country where internet connectivity is great. Besides, in this corner where I sleep, neither I get good signal on phone, or uninterrupted Wi-Fi connectivity. Best is to deliver the message before it is too late. Even if someone else would have raised this issue, it would not have mattered. Edit history vs greater good for the project, I won't care for my edit history. I have written some 30+ (published) articles without logging in (even though I had an account), do you think I would bother of a couple of edits? But for the mess that was made right now, I had to use my laptop, and to get stable internet connection (without using hotspot from my phone), I had to boot Windows (because HP and proprietary drivers), and I don't like booting Windows too, (just so to let you know) but then, we are looking for the greater good, right now. acagastya PING ME! 20:25, 8 October 2017 (UTC)


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Canadian government settles lawsuit over children 'scooped' out of indigenous communities

October 7, 2017 The Canadian federal government of Justin Trudeau yesterday responded to a group of lawsuits by agreeing to pay 750 million to the survivors of the "" program, in which 20,000 children were removed from their parents' households and placed with non-indigenous foster or adoptive parents. The plaintiffs claimed that this caused them mental and emotional problems, in addition to the loss of their ancestral culture. Carolyn Bennett, Canada's Crown-Indigenous Relations Minister, announced the agreement.

"I have great hope that because we've reached this plateau, this will never, ever happen in Canada again," Marcia Brown Martel, now Chief of the Beaverhouse First Nation, said of the decision. Martel was removed from her home as many as ten times before 1972. She and her sister were among the original plaintiffs. From the 1960s to 1980s, some of the children were sent out of the country to the United States, Europe or New Zealand. Some of the plaintiffs say they were abused by their foster families and others do not. A separate settlement has been offered to the 150,000 children who were instead sent to institutions, such as boarding schools.

"There is also no dispute about the fact that great harm was done," wrote Ontario Supreme Court Justice Edward P. Belobaba in a preliminary decision in February. "The 'scooped' children lost contact with their families. They lost their aboriginal language, culture and identity. Neither the children nor their foster or adoptive parents were given information about the children's aboriginal heritage or about the various educational and other benefits that they were entitled to receive. The removed children vanished 'with scarcely a trace.' " He did concede that the founders of the program meant well, but major sources agree it was subject to considerable culture clash, with social workers removing children from situations that were later found not to be abusive or neglectful.

According to a lawyer for some of the plaintiffs, Jeffrey Wilson, this is the first time anyone has argued that the loss of a cultural identity in a lawsuit in a country: "No First Nations case yet to this day has asked the question as to whether or not the loss of identity is an actionable wrong. Aboriginal title to property has been litigated, aboriginal title to identity has not," he told the The Guardian.

The First Nations people make up approximately four percent of Canada's population, at about 1.4 million people, and they suffer disproportionately from poverty, violence, addiction and crime.

Canada is not the only country where native children were taken away from their families. From 1910 to 1970, the Australian government collected children, who came to be called the, and relocated them to schools and other institutions far from their communities. In 1978, the United States passed the to curtail similar actions toward  children.

Manitoba was the first of Canada's provinces to apologize for the scoop program, in 2015. The federal government has also announced plans to make a public apology.


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Hidden CAT for who published the article
It would make searching the archives easier. So just like a Wikinewsie category, there should be a CAT for reviewers. It would be difficult to do for the current archive, but at least we can start. acagastya PING ME! 03:14, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * To make a serious proposal that could entail truly vast amounts of labor, please log in. --Pi zero (talk) 03:49, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It's an interesting thought. This would be, in effect, a way of gathering statistics — the saying is, of course, that there are three kinds of lies:  lies, damn lies, and statistics.  If we set out to do something like that, it's going to be a huge effort at the end of which we'll have just the sort of statistics that we chose at the start of the effort — so we should think very carefully about how the statistics we gather might be misleading.  That is, we need to make sure we're asking the right question before we undertake to answer it.  Whatever exactly we want to do with this, it seems too involved, and too technically precise, to be done on such a massive scale without semi-automated assistance, which I take to mean we have some time to figure out just what we want to do before starting to implement it.  --Pi zero (talk) 04:44, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It is impossible to add categories to 21k articles in the archives, but we can start from today. Often I want to look for an article, which I know XYZ had reviewed. It would make it easier to search for it. acagastya PING ME! 04:51, 22 August 2017 (UTC)


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Could Wikipedia's loss be WikiNews' gain?
My cards on the table first: a) I know nothing of WikiNews' policies or processes; b) I hate seeing good editing work thrown away when it doesn't meet some exacting policy; c) I have no idea if what I'm about to suggest has been said a thousand times before; d) I've no idea how best to push what I'm about to propose, so I'll just leave it here for others to mull over and to take forward, assuming it has legs. ..

Yesterday on Wikipedia there was an article created for a world-wide breaking news-worthy story about a terrorist incident-cum-fatal car crash in NY's Times Square which was quickly slapped with a Request for Deletion template. As the story unfolds, its becoming clearer in this discussion that it is going to be deleted on Wikipedia's policy of WP:NOTNEWS. Although my own contribution to the discussion was initially for a weak keep, I can see this story just isn't going to cut it on Wikipedia's mainspace, and I'm soon going to change my vote. So, once again, well-written but inappropriate stuff will get cleared away from Wikipedia, and everyone can go home happy.

. . . except that I popped over to WikiNews to see how you folks covered the story. It didn't exist. What began as a worldwide story of a terrorist incident appeared to have attracted no activity on this Wiki at all, which I found surprising. And as far as I'm aware, no template exists on Wikipedia that an editor can add to a newly created 'NOTNEWS' article in order to suggest that its contents would merit removal and transfer to WikiNews, or even simply to automatically draw it to the attention of WikiNews editors. And there seems to be no way for a closing Wikipedia administrator - or WikiNews editor - to decide to make that transfer across here for retention and further editing, if appropriate.

But should there such a template or such a process? Would it help if content and article history could be deleted and copied over to WikiNews mainspace or draftspace? It seems to me that it would - though you folks will know best. I wouldn't know how to propose this within Wikipedia without someone immediately citing a dozen policy reasons why it's a stupid idea. But it seems like a potentially good one to me. Any thoughts on whether this could, or should, be taken forward in some way? Nick Moyes (talk) 21:16, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Material cannot be transferred from Wikipedia to Wikinews, because to do so would violate the copyright of Wikipedia; the licenses are incompatible. That said, production is more challenging on Wikinews, and there's a whole pile of considerations behind that.  You might find page For Wikipedians of interest.  --Pi zero (talk) 21:41, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's a terrible shame. I really appreciate the speedy reply. Thank you. Sounds like a few licencing folk from both projects could do with meeting up and having their corporate heads bashed together then. (Shrugs shoulders and walks away, never to return) Nick Moyes (talk) 21:56, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The differences between the projects are deeper than that; trying to adapt Wikipedian material for news use would likely be less efficient than starting from scratch. --Pi zero (talk) 22:05, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, and thanks again for taking the trouble to explain. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:15, 19 May 2017 (UTC)


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Football: FC Bayern, Jupp Heynckes reach agreement; club's head coach until season end

October 7, 2017 Yesterday, German football club FC Bayern Munich announced reaching an agreement with to be the club's head coach until the season end. The 72-year-old came out of his retirement, and is to take the position on Monday. The contract runs until June 30, 2018.

Heynckes has previously managed Bayern in three spells — 1987–1991, 2009 and 2011–2013. In 2013, he led Bayern to treble, winning the German league (Bundesliga), German Cup, and UEFA Champions League. In May 2013, then 68-year-old Heynckes said of retiring, "Clubs want to do a generation change and you can not really do it with a 68-year-old." Pep Guardiola succeeded him as Bayern's head coach in 2013.

Upon agreeing to coach Bayern again, yesterday, Heynckes said,

Heynckes' predecessor Carlo Ancelotti was sacked on September 28, after a 3–0 loss against French capital club Paris St-Germain (PSG) in the UEFA Champions League group stage match. The Italian manager joined Bayern in 2016 after Guardiola left for English side Manchester City FC. Ancelotti led Bayern to a Bundesliga title, the club's fifth consecutive league title. But in the second season in charge of the German giants, Bayern is currently five points behind league table leaders and arch rivals Borussia Dortmund.

After 3–0 defeat at PSG's home, Bayern's CEO Karl-Heinz Rummenigge said,

Willy Sagnol, Ancelotti's assistant coach, handled the team last week against Hertha Berlin, which ended in a 2–2 draw.


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Talk:Canadian government settles lawsuit over children 'scooped' out of indigenous communities

This morning, I read about this story, and it as C$800m. Even BBC says so (link). Can you please re-check and clarify about ambiguity? acagastya PING ME! 16:18, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * As per CBC News, it's 750 million Canadian dollars. It's really common for articles to round up to the nearest "all zeros" number though, which I'd suspect is why a few articles are saying "about 800 million". — Gopher65talk 23:29, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * If it were some other source, I would have agreed. But for BBC, I don't think so. acagastya PING ME! 23:43, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

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No picture, but... what do you even add to an article like this for an image? It's a lawsuit/settlement, which lends itself to only the most generic of images. Someone can add something generic if they're so inclined. I don't think an image would improve this article, except maybe by adding a visual distraction. — Gopher65talk 00:01, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, as a side note, this is the first article I've felt inclined to review in years! — Gopher65talk 00:01, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, I know style refers in large part to the Wikinews Style Guide:P. It's a pretty standard style guide though, with only a few wiki-space quirks in it. — Gopher65talk 00:04, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * BBC did not use words like "about". The Star said at least 800m. CBC said 800m. The ambiguity needs to be addressed properly. acagastya PING ME! 00:10, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Several news outlets erroneously grouped together two different announcements by the Canadian government: a settlement that would pay out a maximum of 750 million Canadian dollars if all claims were made, and a separate announcement of the creation of a 50 million dollar foundation. They were announced at the same time because they're both regarding First Nations initiatives. The settlement itself *is* no more than 750 million though. I'm not 100% sure why they made the editorial decision to do that, but they did. — Gopher65talk 00:29, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

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Just for the record, "Australia." Darkfrog24 (talk) 10:31, 10 October 2017 (UTC)


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Football: Lewandowski's hat-trick against Armenia makes him Poland's top-scorer, close to World Cup qualification

October 8, 2017 On Thursday, Polish Robert Lewandowski surpassed 's goal scoring record for the country in a qualifying match against Armenia for next year's. Lewandowski equalled Lubanski's record of 48 goals in the eighteenth minute of the game, and became new top-scorer after scoring another in the 25th minute. Lubanski had scored 48 goals for Poland in 75 matches.

Poland's opened the scoring just two minutes after the kick-off. Lewandowski scored his 48th goal via a free-kick in the eighteenth minute and 49th goal in the 25th minute. scored a header, the only goal for Armenia, in the 39th minute. The first half ended in a 3–1 lead for Poland in. In the second half, scored the fourth goal for Poland. Lewandowski, who was playing his 90th international match, completed his when he scored his 50th international goal in the 64th minute. Just minutes before final time, scored the sixth goal for Poland.

Lewandowski has now scored fifteen goals in the qualification matches, setting up a new record of most goals scored in. The previous record was set by, who scored fourteen goals. Portuguese forward Cristiano Ronaldo equalled Mijatović's record in August, scored a goal yesterday and became the joint top-scorer with Lewandowski in European Qualifiers.

With the 6–1 victory over Armenia, Poland has won 22 points in nine qualification matches, and sits on the top of the Group E table. They need just one point to earn direct qualification for the World Cup. Their next game is against Montenegro in Warsaw, scheduled for today.

On the same day, defending world champions Germany defeated Northern Ireland 3–1 in and qualified for the World Cup with nine victories in nine qualification matches. England defeated Slovenia 1–0 and qualified for the World Cup too. On Friday, Spain defeated Albania 3–0 and joined Germany and England to qualify.


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 * 1) Football: Bayern beats Borussia Dortmund 5-4 on penalties to win German Super Cup
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 * 3) Ancelotti to replace Guardiola as Bayern Munich manager
 * 4) Sir Alex Ferguson: "poor, poor performance" by match officials after Chelsea defeats Manchester United
 * 5) Football: Chelsea beat Wigan to win fourth Premier League title

 * Done. --Pi zero (talk) 02:28, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

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