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Talk:Fossil genome shows hybrid of two extinct species of human

Reporter's notes
Some crib notes, in case a reviewer has difficulty (as I sometimes did) finding some of the specific facts:
 * The analysis took place in Leipzig:
 * BBC says the single bone fragment was taken to Leipzig for analysis.

 * First discovery of a child with parents of different human species:
 * Looking carefully at the first two paragraphs of the Science source, the last sentence of the first paragraph says it's the "most direct evidence yet" of human species interbreeding (apparently they'd plenty of evidence of traces of genes from one species showing up in another, including modern humans with bits Neanderthal or Denisovan genes), and the quote at the end of the second paragraph says "Now we have the love child of two different hominin groups"; that quote clearly implies that we didn't have such a child before.

 * Denisovans discovered in the same cave in 2011:
 * Deutsche Welle source, section "Miracle discovery", third paragraph (just below a "Read more" note), and Science source first paragraph.

 * Only place where both species have been found:
 * BBC, section "Is everyone part Neanderthal?", fourth paragraph.

 * Nuclear DNA
 * Not mentioned by name in these three sources, although the Science source does use the term mitochondrial DNA when explaining how they know which parent was of which species. I treated it as "common knowledge" that the other kind of DNA besides mitochondrial is nuclear; Science calls it "chromosome pairs" rather than "nuclear DNA".  There is a mention of nuclear and mitochondrial DNA on the page for the Nature article (which I've listed under External links) in the title of source number 11.

 * Rechecked the results:
 * Science paragraph three.

 * The other species were around more than 40 thousand years ago:
 * Mentioned by BBC and DW.

 * Only 24 such genomes have been done:
 * Deutche Welle section "Miracle discovery" paragraph one (the associated Paabo quote is the next paragraph after that).

--Pi zero (talk) 19:44, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Such notes on highlighting where information can be found does not help the review, and should be avoided -- as it does not eliminate the cases of conflicting reports. (Oh, and, Deutsche Welle is not a print publisher) --103.254.128.86 (talk) 02:14, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Speaking as a reviewer, I disagree about helping review; sometimes, despite reading through the sources will all due diligence, some particular detail can become a sticking point, and can come in handy.  (Not sure what significance attaches to the point about Deutsche Welle.) --Pi zero (talk) 03:07, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Lede
Here are some supplemental remarks on why I wrote the lede the way I did.
 * The first sentence of the lede, especially, needs to get very quickly to the most important point(s). It therefore shouldn't be a long sentence unless it can deliver its punch early and allow the later parts of the sentence to cover some lesser points of the lede.
 * Question "where" covers, in this case, three things: where was the result published, where was the bone discovered, and where was the scientific work done; given that the result was published in a reputable journal, I didn't feel where-was-it-published important enough to add additional complexity and additional delay at the front of the first sentence, so I chose to put all three aspects of where in the second sentence.
 * Three things I felt were particularly important to cover in the lede for contextual reasons:
 * Neanderthal and Denisovan are species of humans; this I felt ought to be explained for a general audience.
 * Both of those species are extinct; again, clarification for a general audience.
 * First discovery of a child of different human specifies; this is why the story is relevant.

--Pi zero (talk) 17:31, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Review of revision 4428592 [Not ready]

 * I've spent several hours trying to convince myself that perhaps this is not an abusive review, but I have not been able to convince myself. Here is why I see it as abusive, and why I see that as disastrous for the project.
 * We're talking about a prepositional phrase, consisting of maybe four words, that you want moved from the second sentence of the lede to the first sentence of the lede. The information involved is important enough to include in the lede, certainly; that's why I put it in the lede; but if it weren't mentioned it would probably be minor enough for a reviewer to just insert, it could conceivably be put in a later paragraph rather than in the lede, and if it somehow got left out altogether, the omission would be unfortunate but not correction-worthy.  Given that here the name of the journal is already in the lede, but apparently not as far forward in the lede as you would put it if you were writing the article, you deem moving it forward minor enough for you to do within reviewer's purview.  Yet you are willing to prevent the article from being published in order to insist that it's important enough to require but to refuse to do it yourself.
 * This is far below the threshold for a not-ready review. Clearly if you were writing the article you would arrange the words a little differently, but that's a matter of personal writing style, not fundamental principles.  If it were your article, with (let's say) the same lede except the name of the publishing journal was near the start of the first sentence, and I were reviewing it, I might leave it be, or might conceivably tweak it a little if I felt I could do so sufficiently unobtrusively; besides minimizing involvement, I try not to impose too much of my personal writing style on others, since their personal writing style is part of what makes it their contribution to the project rather than someone else's.  I might consider making the change only because, in my judgement, the first sentence would be diminished in impact by tangling up the reader in the minor detail of just which journal was used by the authors before even describing the core substance of what they said (the authors are, after all, the primary "who").  But even if I didn't tweak it, there'd be absolutely no question of not-ready'ing over that precise placement of the information because it's only a matter of personal writing style within the framework of the great principles that govern the project.  If I didn't feel I could change it within my purview as reviewer, and if I had to not-ready the article for another reason, most likely I wouldn't even mention it in my review comments.
 * If reviewers not-ready articles for trivial reasons like this, it's a betrayal of trust, a sort of hazing. We can't afford a reviewer who does things like that.  And exercising good judgement in distinguishing between fundamental principles of the project and minor points of personal style is part of what we choose reviewers for.
 * When newcomers (or anyone else) receive a not-ready review, reviewers not only need to be good-natured and helpful about it, but also must have the moral high ground by being able to say honestly that no reviewer would not-ready an article unless it had a fundamental problem. That moral high ground allows us to say, you don't get to choose which reviewer you'll get.  It allows us to say, you should be fixing the problem rather than arguing with the reviewer.  It allows us to say, don't resubmit without addressing review concerns.  We don't say those things just because reviewers have been given power; we say them because we make sure reviewers don't abuse their power.
 * If you want other people to write using your personal writing style, you're saying you want to be the only writer on the project. The project can't survive that.
 * So here we are. The project can't afford an adversarial relationship between writers of good faith and reviewers of good faith, but that's what you're imposing.  If you had changed it during review, especially if you'd done so without first raising a stink over the matter in an unpleasant way beforehand, I might well have just shrugged my shoulders and accepted it without comment.  That leaves me with four choices:
 * allow you to impose your personal writing style on others. But, frankly, the project can't afford to have reviewers getting away with that.
 * resubmit without change. Which is one of the things we can tell people not to do because we make sure reviewers don't abuse their power.
 * allow the article to die, and Wikinews to go for who-knows-how-long without any published articles. I don't like that option.
 * find a way to revise the lede that might alleviate the concerns you mention. I'm not happy about it; I think what I originally submitted was better; but at least there's still some chance of not losing this article.  So that's what I'll try.
 * --Pi zero (talk) 17:17, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I am not going to go through the bunch of paragraphs. It is waste of time. But well now since this talk will be a public record, you can come again (hopefully see why some atomic things can not be divided -- the more you write, the more you learn. Well not in all cases) I would really like to know what thinks about that. The day, you might have experienced a part of what they experience. And in all fairness, instead of pointing what I did or did not do, why don't you think about the reverts when you actually had time to -- an advice, if you odn't know how to handle an issue, don't remove it -- let another reviewer/editor fix it. (apply the excuses you had for the category related not-ready.) I had an honest attempt reading the article in the state of how it was first submitted, and I had to go through a lot of details including some geographical locations yet I did not find mention of the publication anywhere until 56 words! Publication has connection with reliability and authenticity -- and you just can not dump it in a corner of the lede. •–•  18:47, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It is not that I could not have fixed it -- but you failed to address the issue (I guess thrice, removing the issue) and for any discovery, where the study was published is very important. This is something any author has to learn. After all, the goal is to learn from mistakes. I hope you would learn from this to not make such mistakes which downgrades the standards to any other MSM outlet. •–• 18:52, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * There is room for misunderstanding in the way you worded that. Do you mean it would be a waste of time to read what I wrote, or that it would be a waste of time to reply to the points I made?  I made important points, so that you could learn from them, and spent hours trying to avoid being unnecessarily harsh about them (by the time I finish writing this, I will have spent pretty much an entire mortal day of my life trying to be helpful to you).  It seems as if you didn't learn anything from those points; and, thanks to the ambiguous wording, I don't know whether or not you even read them. I do try to allow for the possibility of such misunderstandings, that perhaps you're not saying what it seemed to me as if you were saying.
 * The issue approach is inherently flawed; it renders the article instantly unpublishable-in-current-form, so should never be used except in combination with removing the article from the review queue — otherwise it's effectively vandalism. I appreciate that you're experimenting with alternative ways to do this stuff, but I have to tell you that that one does not fit smoothly with the way the project works.  The traditional tactic, if you want to flag out a problem but aren't doing a review are don't want to fix it, is to write a note on the talk page.
 * I see no case made for absolute atomicity of these two facts in article text — date of publication, and name of journal of publication. You assert that they have to go together, but on the contrary I see this article being clearly of lower quality than it would have been if it had been published in the form I originally submitted, in which case you should be learning from it that you were wrong to insist on putting the two together.  And I carefully made the point earlier that this is a matter of personal style, not fundamental principles of the project.
 * As for msm, the actual mistake they make is in failing to answer one or the other question; of the three sources I cited here, two of them name the journal but fail to specify the day of publication, while the third specifies the day of publication but doesn't name the journal.
 * When you talk about what others experience, the line of your reasoning escapes me. I can't even tell whether you're changing the subject; possibly insinuating things either about how I review or perhaps about what I do and don't understand about the writers whose work I'm reviewing, or both; or something else.
 * -Pi zero (talk) 20:56, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I am sorry that I did not see this ping in time to make a meaningful contribution here. I've been on Wikibreak for unrelated reasons. Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:51, 31 August 2018 (UTC)


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Poor communication
Browsing through articles recently, there is a startling number of articles tossed due to the freshness criteria. Knowing full well that all of us are contributing out of our own time, it beseeches on how to streamline the process. So I have a few thoughts on how to communicate better during the review process.

 * 1) If a reviewer rejects the article on any grounds dictated by Wikinews's policies, they should make themselves available to answer any direct questions regarding the specific article and respective review for the next 24 hours.
 * 2) If an editor, disagrees with a reviewer's stance then an appeal could be requested and documented.
 * 3) Any non-article related statements with the goal of disparaging remarks and/or intentionally driving collaborative discussion unproductively would be could constitute a 'troll' status for that article.
 * 4) A new category for publishing articles that are larger and more comprehensive would by released only on Sunday's, more like a news magazine.

I believe that these are options easily implemented as Wikinews is trying to gain social critical mass. With the reviewer pool currently, it is asking a lot but laying the framework is worth doing. AZOperator (talk) 17:15, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * (1) seems to be a matter of trying to be helpful. Reviewers generally put huge effort into trying to be helpful. Reviewers are chosen to be highly experienced; basically, experts (anyone who isn't shouldn't be a reviewer); and don't throw their weight around for the hell of it.  One thing that's pretty sure to sink any news article is for newbies to try to argue with the review, as if it were just some miscellaneous user's opinion and this were Wikipedia where vicious squabbling is routine and tends to succeed as a strategy; our policies and practices are streamlined to avoid controversies entirely, because it's a total nonstarter on a news deadline.  Newbies who seek to learn, and expect to keep learning indefinitely (nobody here should ever stop learning), may hope to become veteran experts themselves; newbies whose basic impulse is to argue with reviews not only sink their own articles, they generally don't succeed at Wikinews (this is an attitude shared by all the most spectacular failures on Wikinewsies I can recall). AZOperator, if I might opine a moment, I've generally been heartened by your positive attitude.  It seems to me there are some basics of news writing that we need to find ways to help you get the hang of, and (sadly) a distraction from that discussion has been another user who was systematically fouling our attempts to help newcomers (one of the major activities we sink time into); hopefully, removing that distraction from the mix will allow us to spend attention more efficiently. You seem to have gotten diverted by the idea that the primary difficulty with your articles has been that they were too large for the reviewers to deal with.  I do not believe this to be so.  You're trying to write big articles without having mastered basic principles that would get in the way of smaller articles too; and the fact that the articles are big is causing secondary problems that make learning much less efficient.  It's not that long articles aren't more challenging for reviewers, but the most effective mitigation for that is a reporter who's really good at Wikinews writing, which is hard to get to if you're only writing long articles that tend to bog down the learning process. We've also had some users around lately trying to push a higher level of collaborative writing than Wikinews usually supports.  My attitude has, until now, been rather indulgent — perhaps warning them that long Wikinews experience has demonstrated that seriously collaborative writing does not work well here, but then just letting them try and find out for themselves that it doesn't work.  But I'm thinking that may have been a mistake on my part.  Because it's occurring to me now that intensively collaborative news writing may severely degrade a reviewer's ability to give feedback to individual writers, which is essential to the health of the Wikinews project:  it's how newcomers progress toward becoming experts, the way we can develop new generations of reviewers. I was rather shocked when (a few years ago) I first looked up "meritocracy" on English Wikipedia and found an article heavily biased toward preaching the evils of elitism.  There is a more positive sense of the word, which Brian McNeil used to use here, in which Wikinews is a meritocracy; our solution to the problem that expert tasks require a high priesthood is to do all we can to help everyone who comes here to learn how to become a high priest.  --Pi zero (talk) 18:30, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * At the vary least, self policing is a something that is really lacking here. Even a list of usernames of potential trolls could be put together and I could put into the code that a 'troll designator' follows all additions, collaborations or articles, follows the user until they can prove non-troll actions through an appeal. AZOperator (talk) 02:27, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind that Wikinews has very different social dynamics than Wikipedia. People here are individuals in a way that doesn't really have any Wikipedia analog.  Brian McNeil used to tell people, "You're not in Kansas anymore."  Brianmc was himself something of a case in point:  a curmudgeon, is the way we often used to put it.  Where Wikipedia elevates "Assume Good Faith" to the status of sacred writ, we explicitly reject it; we make quite a point of being uncensored; and while we seek to avoid squabbles and Wikipedia-style debates we value the right to dispense with time-consuming pleasantries and be blunt.  It does require that we have confidence in each other's devotion to the project mission, which we achieve through accumulated reputation (see Never assume).  There's some deep philosophy behind that:
 * Wikipedia needs people to instantly work together with others they might never have met before and might never meet again, using AGF to try to make that happen, and deprioritizing technical considerations which can be left to take care of themselves over arbitrarily long periods of debate/squabble; and part of the result is that, by superficially-trusting, Wikipedia ultimately trusts no-one.  On Wikinews, though, we treat social relations as something for the long run, whereas technical interaction has to work in the short run; and we need to apply keen judgement to the question of trusting people, just as we do to (other) sources, where there is no such thing as perfect, uninformed trust, but much of the time we're able to pull back to things that sources say that we can have high confidence are true (even when there are other things being said by the same source at the same time that we either mistrust or simply treat as opinion rather than fact).  When I first came to Wikinews, and watched prominent interactions on the water cooler, I quickly realized that this place was the advanced course in social interaction, whereas everybody on Wikipedia was permanently stuck with "training wheels" (I used those once when learning to ride a bike; ghastly restrictive, basically kept me from doing anything but going forward and backward).  Wikipedia tries to treat everybody the same; Wikinews tries to treat each individual person as an individual so that their individual trust-worthiness character can be judged as closely as sources are judged, and our whole infrastructure is geared for that.  It's a profoundly different way to run a wiki, and yes there have been problems and challenges, we continue to work on some aspects, and there are concerns about problems of scale (right now we're a small community where everyone pretty-much knows everyone else). (I vividly recall once, years ago, when Jimmy Wales came over here — as steeped in Wikipedian culture as it is possible to be, of course, and always out of his element with news — and, with Wikinewsies explaining things to him, when he finally got some inkling of just how much trust we put in the person who reviews an article, his apparently very-authentic reaction was to think we were completely insane.  It reminded me of what Wikipedians say about their own project — that it only works in practice; in theory it could never work.)
 * On the particular notion of possible-troll listing, I'm immediately concerned about the danger of blacklisting. Keeping things running smoothly here can be a complex task and, like all exercise of judgement here, falls very disproportionately on the inner circle of the community (which even Wikipedia is unable to avoid, though in giving elevated powers to admins, to crats, to ArbCom, they're constantly at war with their own egalitarian ideals).  It can be tricky to pin down, in a publicly visible way, when genuine trolling goes over the line here on Wikinews, in a context where mere abruptness is not necessarily trolling, and the most seasoned members of the community are supposed to tell newcomers with dispatch what they've done wrong, without beating around the bush (and yes, doing so in the most-positive, hence most-useful, way is an additional challenge of review, which we all have our individual perpetual struggles to improve at).  --Pi zero (talk) 13:19, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * (To be clear, when I say "blacklisting", I'm talking about .) --Pi zero (talk) 14:57, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi AZOperator.

Perhaps this helps. Personally I would be interested in further development of the first two points. The assistance to authors is scattered at article talk pages for now where it is really hard to keep track of unless you monitor recent or do something similar. Gryllida (talk) 11:30, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) "If a reviewer rejects the article on any grounds dictated by Wikinews's policies, they should make themselves available to answer any direct questions regarding the specific article and respective review for the next 24 hours." is interesting but it would simply be great if another reviewer or peer was able to answer such questions also. This is typically done by people who monitor recent changes or have the article on their watchlist. The closest to streamlining this that I can think of is adding a 'if you need assistance ask at WaterCooler/assistance' note to the review comment at the end via a template, and anyone willing to offer assistance would be glad to watch this respective water cooler subpage.
 * 2) "If an editor, disagrees with a reviewer's stance then an appeal could be requested and documented. " this too can be done at WaterCooler/assistance but I dislike appeal word and the formality, perhaps a re-review by a different reviewer could be requested (something that would now be rejected saying 'you need to address previous reviewer comments before re submitting')? Is this really a frequent occurrence? I haven't seen many of such cases.
 * 3) "Any non-article related statements with the goal of disparaging remarks and/or intentionally driving collaborative discussion unproductively would be could constitute a 'troll' status for that article." that would be a 'person x is trolling', this is undesirable and I simply delay responses to such people and when I do respond it is only content-focused while ignoring any personal attacks. if terribly bad and persistent then such people need to be spoken with to see whether they have a difficult life and whether they are agreeable with finding a better support venue than lashing out at people. and of course if everything peaceful fails then a block needs to be added as a last resort.
 * 4) "A new category for publishing articles that are larger and more comprehensive would by released only on Sunday's, more like a news magazine. " is interesting but not 'wn:fresh and does not solve much of the problems that you see.
 * The word "appeal" worries me, as it suggests a writer treating the reviewer as the enemy. The review process can't work that way; some newcomers do approach the project that way and it's a recipe for failure.  Newcomers who succeed use reviewer feedback to learn the principles of the project.  The review process only guarantees in general two people on the article, one reporter and one reviewer; it cannot work well unless they're both working for the same goals.  There's more than enough for both reporter and reviewer to do in a successful collaboration.  (Wikipedia's attitude toward such conflict is generally to embrace it, which clearly cannot work with short deadlines and arguably causes dire social problems even without deadlines.) Improving communication would need a fundamentally different approach, one that guides newcomers into learning rather than combat.  Conflict-based strategy/tactics are a trap, to be avoided. --Pi zero (talk) 12:18, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd consider adding 'for assistance please leave a message here' note at the end of the review comment, in the template. This way it does not read as an invitation to fight.
 * This could also create a new forum specifically for discussions among authors and reviewers, something that is perhaps desired (as opposed to discussing reviewing process on article talks and user talks pages), similar to a noticeboard of sorts. --Gryllida (talk) 03:55, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Videos of reviewing
Hello,

To reduce reviewing load and know what tasks takes so much time for a reviewer, I would like to propose to film the review process.
 * On Windows this can be done via CamStudio (not tested), on Linux via SimpleScreenRecorder (I know it works well).
 * Videos may be uploaded to Category:Wikinews training materials review screencasts.

Further to urge reviewers to participate, perhaps the easy peer review gadget may be modified to include a "Please film your reviewing process - see discussion" ('discussion' would be a link to, for instance, this talk page section) note at the top of the review screen which opens when we click the 'Review' tab. This screen is read by any active reviewer. Such a change would require consensus and a modification to a javascript file in the MediaWiki namespace. Gryllida (talk) 10:53, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * No two articles are the same, and no two reviews are the same. While some information can be gathered from these videos, it possibly can not tell everything that is going on, in the head of the reviewer, and someone who has not gone through the article and the sources would never truly understand it. Why don't you try for yourself, Gry? •–• 11:06, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to identify some time consuming tasks.
 * These tasks may be different for everyone, this is why I am trying to reach many people.
 * I would do it for myself once I meet two conditions: "am reviewing" and "at the home laptop (where I can install things)". This, as much as I wish it wasn't, is a rare occurrence. --Gryllida (talk) 04:01, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Can't do anything about that. FWIW, a video recording would not answer things in the reviewer's head and would never answer "why". 106.213.174.17 (talk) 05:26, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * What I most hope to target (with dialog-based assistance) is wasteful use of thought — in essence, tedium. I care more about eliminating that than about reducing time spent.  I've long maintained that people have only so much capacity for decision-making per day; just recently I came across this link for a similar sentiment:  .  --Pi zero (talk) 12:13, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

HIV in the Caribbean
My Dutch article Hiv heeft epidemische omvang in de Cariben (Hiv has epedemic proportions in the Caribbean) had been translated into French. If you like, I can translate it into English. But only if you like to review it an complete it when it doesn't meet all needs you have for articles on en.Wikinews. Please tell me if you'd like to have the English translation. It's quite original news. Ymnes (talk) 14:28, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * well, we require English sources. If you can find English sources, that would be great! 103.254.128.86 (talk) 14:45, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Three out of the four sources are in English. This would mean that I should leave away the third paragraph. I don't know if that will be enough? Ymnes (talk) 14:51, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * ... It might even be easier for someone to write it from scratch. An important statement comes from USAID: "The Caribbean region has the second highest prevalence HIV rate in the world after sub-Saharan Africa, with an estimated adult prevalence rate of 1 percent" (source) Ymnes (talk) 14:59, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Ymnes. :-) This is not really fresh on its own anymore as it happened more than three days ago.
 * However a few relevant entities may be interviewed to get an idea of prognosis or reasons for the epidemics. Would you be able to name such entities? What questions would you suggest to ask them - something that is missing in the currently available report? (In the case of interview, a report may be published a bit after the event occurred.) Gryllida (talk) 03:58, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * For me it would be mean a search too. A growing or alarming situation can be fresh too, though some creativity is needed. Ymnes (talk) 05:12, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I see the International AIDS Conference (see and website) has started in Amsterdam on July 24th and the subject is fully fresh now (several news articles per day in Dutch language). There must be articles in English language in the media as well. Ymnes (talk) 16:39, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

freshness alert :-) Today is the last day of the conference and Bill Clinton was the main speacher. Ymnes (talk) 20:14, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


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--Gryllida (chat) 01:59, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello. :) PUBG occurred over a week ago, ...
...which is not fresh enough to be considered news. Please see the linked discussion and the template above for helpful starting tips.

Again thanks for the suggestion. Please do not hesitate to reply to suggest recent developments to the story, or request new articles, about events which themselves occur approximately today.

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Hi
I saw your article. First articles on Wikinews are generally difficult, as there's a bunch of basics one has to get a handle on, all at once, before one can reach the threshold of passing review to publication. The saving grace of our admittedly steep initial learning curve is that's fairly short, and once past it things can get a lot easier (though hopefully we never stop learning). --Pi zero (talk) 14:58, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

 * Btw, the article in question is an interesting case for news neutrality. It's entirely possible for users with a wide range of political views to write neutral Wikinews articles, once they've got the hang of Wikinews writing, with its fact-based approach to neutrality.  In this case, one would start with a crisp focal event; the current article doesn't do well on defining a specific focus.  I'm not actually sure whether there is a good focal event at the bottom of this particular one, because the story seems to be about propaganda being asserted by one political faction and objected to by another, which isn't really about something happening, just being talked about.  That makes it hard to pin down something solid enough to build a neutral article on.  Supposing one could find something, though, one would then select a set of core sources about the focal event, and write up citations of them; that's crucial, and the source citations make it possible to see explicitly what one has.  One wants to deliberately choose sources with a range of points of view, in order to provide you, as the Wikinews reporter, with perspective on how the story is presented from different perspectives.  In choosing different perspectives, good things can come from pushing outside your comfort zone.  Keep in mind that most sources have their own strengths and weaknesses, which can get very complex and require careful thought and good judgement to sort through; different sources may have more or less politics in their perspective, which may manifest in very different ways.  Spelling out the source citations can be quite helpful, when writing an article, in clarifying what one has:  for example, one of the relatively recent sources for the article atm is a Washington Post article called "Tucker Carlson easily snookers Trump on South Africa", which ought to raise alarm bells in terms of the current content of the article.  Keep in mind that, as a neutral news source, our task at Wikinews is to present readers with objective facts that empower them to make their own informed judgements, without making judgements for them or trying to herd them in a certain direction.  The very fact that the Washington Post article is clearly expressing a perspective that there's no hint of in our draft suggests that our draft is failing to provide the reader with some significant information.  For a given story one chooses sources with various perspectives, studies them all carefully, and works out from an understanding of the Big Picture what information to present. --Pi zero (talk) 22:58, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

I just read this now. 4 years. Amazing that the problem wikinews wanted to solve are as much as a problem as ever. I'm not a regular wiki guy (obvs) and every time I've got a bee in my bonnet it's generally just trivially dismissed, making wiki a hostile place for the casual contributor-I think this is a loss for the potential of what wiki could have been. All this to say, your thoughtful comments and guidance are rare and appreciated-the world needs more of this (and I daresay people with your approach to life). I hope you get messages of appreciation often. If not, I'm sure it doesn't go unnoticed nonetheless. Good job. Kungfukev (talk) 19:11, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

 * Hi. I am sure Pi zero would have appreciated your kind words. He was a very special person and it saddens me to report to you, he is no longer with us. -- SVTCobra 19:52, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

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Hi
You may find Writing an article of interest (also, Pillars of writing). Btw, the required elements I added to your article are things that are added automatically by the article creation form at Writing an article. --Pi zero (talk) 21:30, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

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Brisbane, Australia Magistrates Court charges two cotton farmers with $20m fraud

August 30, 2018

On Tuesday, two officers of cotton farming conglomerate Norman Farming in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia appeared in the Brisbane Magistrates Court for alleged fraud of the government. alleged over the past seven years the farmers submitted fraudulent claims to receive funding from Queensland's Department of Natural Resources, resulting in an approximately 20 million dishonest personal financial gain. The Court laid charges and released the defendants on bail.

According to the results of the investigation by Police, the two men allegedly falsified documents, including invoices, misrepresenting work from contractors as earthwork supposedly in aid of improving water irrigation efficiency. The two allegedly presented farming-related work on their property on six projects as aimed at improving the efficiency of water irrigation at their property near.

Police arrested the chief executive officer (CEO) of the conglomerate, 43-year-old John Norman, and the conglomerate's chief financial officer, 53-year-old Stephen Evans. They appeared in Court represented by their lawyers. In the Court they were charged, Norman with six and Evans with four counts of aggravated fraud, Norman with six and Evans with four counts of fraudulently producing or using a false record. Police opposed bail, however the Magistrate released the two on bail conditionally, requiring they surrender their passports.

According to reports by Australian Broadcasting Corporation and The Guardian, neighbours of Norman Farming had complained to the authorities about Norman Farming's work resulting in excessive removal of from the McIntyre river, leading to reduced availability of water for the farmers downstream.

Queensland's provided the funding as a part of its Healthy Head Waters scheme. Detective Inspector Mick Dowie said the Department did not have the authority of police to provision of documents, leading to difficulty with verifying the invoices which the two submitted in their application.

Dowie said the investigation took over a year to complete, including analysis of accounting reports.


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Avoid using "$" as is in the headline. It is confusing as readers would not know which one it is. Instead "AU$" -- addition of two characters would make things clear. (On another note, m in lede should be changed to "million". (The lede is not so well written, so there aren't any brownie points) 103.254.128.86 (talk) 12:40, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Missed the m; figuring in the lede it's just minor enough to just fix. Probably would have been better to use "AU$" (or is that "A$"?) in both places, as it's recognizably a quantity of money and, as noted, less likely to be misunderstood.  Might tweak the headline once this is off the main page. --Pi zero (talk) 12:51, 31 August 2018 (UTC)


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Please stop cross posting about WP admins
Instead direct your complaint to w:WP:ANI properly or start writing news here, we don't have many of WP admins here (whom you so thoroughly hate). Gryllida (chat) 12:25, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

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Wikinews:Water cooler/policy/archives/2018/July

ArbCom elections
flag I propose the same dates, rules, procedures as in 2017. (See WN:Water cooler/policy/archives/2017/July, Arbitration Committee/2017 election.)
 * The community must agree on all election procedures by July 1, and election committee members by July 10.
 * The deadline for nominations is 2000 UTC July 17.
 * Voting will take place from 2000 UTC July 18 to 2000 UTC July 30. Questions and comments may be made during that time period.
 * Since the incumbent members' seats expire on August 3, the election committee will declare the winners on about July 31, and the new term begins after declaration. Should any case be before the ArbCom at election time, the current committee continues to sit after turnover on cases that started under the current committee. Any new case after turnover is for the new committee.

As worked well for the past several years, I strongly recommend the committee not create a page for "questions for all candidates"; questions for each candidate should be located under that candidate. This is the way things have been done in all but two previous elections; once there was no place for questions at all (the undesirability of this is obvious, I hope), and once (six years ago?), we had a page for questions for all candidates, and it turned into a political circus and an ordeal for the nominees (en.wn ArbCom is a judicial body, so should be scrupulously apolitical). I'm not the only one who experienced the circus years ago and came away from it with a powerful conviction it should not be allowed to happen again.

We need at least two people for the election committee. Volunteers? --Pi zero (talk) 20:39, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * These rules look OK.
 * Have not seen the above-described circus, but I am hopeful that your judgment is correct, and I am confident that separation of pages would not prevent necessary questions from being raised and would not limit relevant discussions.
 * I also volunteer for the election committee: now that I started taking notes on paper and on computer more properly I'll try better to not miss the deadlines this time. Previously it was only thanks to the enthusiastic and greatly appreciated reminders and actions from the second member of election committee that things were moving. Hopefully I would be able to follow the election more closely and in a more timely fashion this year. :)
 * --Gryllida (talk) 01:29, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not that of an active community member of enwikinews, but I'm fine with spending some time as election committee, if you are willing to have me there. — revi  ☏  07:17, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I for one have no objection. Election committee is usually a light duty; there hasn't been much in the way of controversy, that I recall, since 2010, when first we had someone ask the committee for permission to pre-record their votes since they wouldn't be around while voting was open (the committee decided not, iirc), and then there was a tie vote and the committee started to arrange a run-off election between two(?) nominees (but then, in an unprecedented move afaik, one of the newly elected Arbs quit the project before there was even time for the run-off, and the election committee ruled there was no need for a run-off, and just made all the tying nominees arbs).  Thankfully it's almost never exciting like that; usually the election happens, the committee signs off on the result, and it's done for a year. Assuming there are no objections (I suppose we could wait another half-day or day, to be very safe), you can sign up for the committee . --Pi zero (talk) 16:25, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello revi. Thank you for volunteering. I, too, understand that you would be available on time and be a fair election committee member. Look forward to your help. :-) Have a wonderful day, --Gryllida (talk) 23:46, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I've gone bit bold and added myself. — revi  ☏  03:52, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

 * I also volunteer for the election committee. Should I sign up ? "At least two people" implies that more would be acceptable, as well, I think. Hopefully, there will be more than three voters in this election ;-) Wikiwide (talk) 23:51, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello Wikiwide. Thank you, too, for volunteering. It is a great thing.
 * About voters - I've just made a sorted users list via api, this may help to see who is eligible to vote. However not all of them are active currently and in the previous elections there has not been a banner, perhaps as this election may perhaps be considered not attention critical. Gryllida (talk) 00:46, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is the place to sign up. :-) --Pi zero (talk) 11:31, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

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This is my userpage, show me yours.

In old age I became interested in journalism, but before that, it was gossip which overtook me.

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Creativity celebrated at Fan Expo Canada 2018 in Toronto

September 4, 2018

Fan Expo Canada ran in Toronto last weekend, from Thursday to Sunday, spread over both multi-storey buildings at the. The event is one of North America's largest pop culture events, with panels, product unveilings, screenings, an artists' alley, and celebrity autographs.

Featured programming included reunions of cast members from ', ', ', and '. Other cast panels included ', ', ', and '. Attendees could have their portfolios reviewed by staff from Marvel and DC Comics, speed date others of the same sexuality, or try a Doctor Who.

The end-of-summer event is one of three held in Toronto by convention firm, a list that also includes the springtime Toronto Comic Con.

Wikinews was there, and captured some of the cosplay creativity and booths full of products new and old.

Related news

 * Toronto Comicon celebrates characters from screen and page — Wikinews, March 28, 2018
 * Tim Curry, TV premiere screenings, cosplay feature at Fan Expo Canada — Wikinews, September 6, 2017


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