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Category for war in Ukraine
I was looking to create a category for this years situation between Ukraine and Russia, including the annexation of Crimea. Looking at the corresponding Wikipedia pages several names come to mind, but not sure if any really fit. Would be grateful for any input. Possibilities I've thought of so far:

 * Category:War in Donbass - Specific, and would have at least 3 articles, but does not include Crimea.
 * Category:2014 pro-Russian Unrest - Not sure if this would really encompass the armed conflict.
 * Category:2014 Ukrainian conflict - Could be used to cover Crimea as well as Donbass conflict, but would not cover public unrest.

Or should the public protests, Crimean annexation, and War in Donbass each be given separate categories linking to each other to give a sense of continuation? --CSJJ104 (talk) 12:25, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Take a look at the DPL extension we use; and, at the 'more-comprehensive' categorisation employed on Wikinews. That might help clarify how to approach the problem. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:35, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, DPL? Is there a page on how to name categories. Can't seem to find one. --CSJJ104 (talk) 09:50, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * From what I know, there's no written rule on category naming. In general, each article gets at least two basic categories: category for the place and a broad topic category, e.g., "Politics and conflicts." Categories are usually made when there's, as a rule of thumb, three articles or more on a related topic. "DPL" refers to the DynamicPageList extension employed on Wikinews that automagically makes a list by date of articles, for example, the latest news section on the main page. — Mike moral  ♪♫  10:23, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * An old draft, some of it very out-of-date (should likely be marked historical), but parts still of some interest: WN:Categories and topic pages. --Pi zero (talk) 10:50, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

 * Things to keep in mind:
 * The purpose of a category is to enable finding articles in our archives on a subject. This is how inclusion in a category should be decided for an article —if you were looking for articles related to that topic, would you want this article be one of the ones you find— and it should also figure in the choice of what categories to have.  This figures into several of my later points.
 * We should have three published articles that would belong in a category before actually creating the category. The number three is a best-practice that used to be five or six at one time, some years ago; but as a practical matter it's rarely useful to have a category with fewer than three articles.  There are occasional exceptions, often the result of thinking there were enough and then discovering after creation that there weren't three yet after all; but serious infractions are likely to be formally nominated for deletion.  See also below about intersections and place categories.  We've discussed possible ways to make matched sets of geographical categories —such as all the states in a country, or all of NASA's Space Shuttle missions— useful when there are few, or even no, articles in some of them, but we haven't yet worked out what infrastructure would make that idea work.
 * It is generally desirable, when creating a category, that it be associated with a keyword, or set of keywords, that are likely to occur in any article on that topic and are likely to be wikilinked. This set of keywords will prevent the category from being forgotten on later articles (through the mediating influence of w).  I recall stumbling from time to time over some categories we've got that routinely fail to get populated properly because they lack natural keywords and we forget those categories exist — but I can't prove this atm, because, predictably, I can't remember what those categories are.
 * Intersection categories are usually not a good idea. The purpose of DPLs is to create lists of articles that belong to the intersection of two or more (up to six) categories.  See also intersection link.
 * If a category is about some extended event (such as a war) in an area, and the area doesn't have a place category yet, it may be appropriate to consider creating the place category first. After creating the place category, the extended event may often turn out to be better handled as an intersection of categories.
 * Neutrality in category naming requires care. We do not have a category called "Terrorism" because judging what is or isn't terrorism is a POV disaster waiting to happen, although we have several related categories that work because they don't have that problem.  Calling something a war sometimes has the same problem.  We puzzled over what to do about gun control and right-to-bear-arms, since they seemed to belong in a single category but both of those names are biasing; ultimately we created Category:Gun politics.
 * We should probably assemble all this stuff on a page somewhere. --Pi zero (talk) 11:28, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note that should probably be worked in somehow if making this a more permanent set of guidelines: The larger historical requirement of five or six articles for a category was used to avoid proliferation of categories when categories were much harder to manage.  The introduction of w has radically altered that balance, so that managing categories is now much easier, provided there are suitable keywords for each category.  Hence the smaller bound of three, below which there's a problem of whether it's useful to have the category even with suitable keywords.  --Pi zero (talk) 11:38, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

 * Having just seen this, I fear the category, Category:War in Donbass, I just created may need to be renamed. --CSJJ104 (talk) 11:36, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Once we've decided what to do with it, it'll be easy to do since there aren't a lot of articles involved, as long as we have you as the creator agreeing with the action (so we don't need to resort to a formal vote). --Pi zero (talk) 11:47, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Category military annexation of Crimea
Further to my comments above, I'm looking to create 'Category:Russia's annexation of Crimea'. My reasoning is that such an article could be linked from Category:War in Donbass, giving readers a fuller history of events. I have identified the following articles from Category:Crimea which would be covered by this, all are archived, and thus needing an admin to edit them, can anyone help?
 * Canada has no plans to boycott Winter Paralympics
 * International Paralympic Committee comments on Russian adherence to Olympic Truce
 * Rail border between the Ukraine and Russia remains open
 * Wikinews interviews specialists on Russian intervention in Ukraine
 * Four arrested after building spire in Moscow painted in Ukrainian colors --CSJJ104 (talk) 11:29, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

 * I believe it would be better to look very closely at events, and have a good long think about categorisation here. Is there even a "war" in Donbass? Has anyone (not that they ever do these days) declared war on anyone else? Does it better-fit as a civil war? Assuming someone (for Wikipedia's purposes) has labelled it as a war, where do their loyalties lie? (not the Wikipedians, but the sources they rely on to call the situation a war).
 * The constant players in the situation are Russia and Ukraine, and the topic - unfortunately - all 'Politics and conficts'. Some of the talk page, and Water Cooler, arguments that've gone one around categorising past conflicts would probably be a breath of fresh air around here. Those used to go on for a while, being resolved when someone came up with a more-inclusive category out of left-field.
 * The logic you're working to here, forgive the simplification:
 * Those with some clue about events know Crimea is pivotal.
 * By searching articles on Crimea, they find something relevant.
 * Their relevant article should be in a more-encompassing category which contains the full coverage.
 * Thus, it's a category that covers all those under the existing category (annexation of Crimera would not), plus the above articles you've listed. Category:2014 Ukraine-Russia conflict might just be a better starting point. History strongly suggests this will rumble on beyond 2014, and there are probably events back in 2013 that should fall under the rather-large umbrella this suggested category is trying to define. That's why I'm throwing this in here; plus, the existing category would then be a sub-categry of the new one; as-opposed to a 'related' category which might have little, or no, overlap.
 * Just to stress, this is suggested as an alternate starting point. I'd welcome a well-thought-out counter-argument if you don't see merit in this approach; or, perhaps it might prompt a completely different suggestion. --Brian McNeil / talk 06:52, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

 * I agree with the thoughts on creating a larger category, although for those who already know something about events. I had been thinking of the reader who was not aware about the connection with Crimea, but is interested in events at present.

 * My thoughts had been to create a category with a header saying something along the lines of, "the conflict in Donbass follows on from the Russian annexation of Crimea", letting interested readers know not only where they can find more articles related to the development of events in Ukraine, but also how these events are linked. As I've already said, a larger category containing the two subcategories would be good for readers already familiar with events, but for those who aren't it could be confusing if disparate articles with no (to them) immediately apparent connection are all listed together.

 * Possibly this subject isn't a great example, another one might be a line explaining how the present conflict in Libya is connected to the 2011 Libyan Civil War, (still not great, but there could potentially be confusion).

 * As for the name, War in Donbass, potentially, Category:Donbass Insurgency, or Category:Donbass Separatist Movement? I had considered a name along the similar lines to the suggestion of 2014 Ukraine-Russia conflict, but not sure that would be NPOV as there is still dispute as to how involved Russia are in the conflict.--CSJJ104 (talk) 09:54, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

 * An observation: We have a Category:Israel/Palestine Conflict.  No timeframe in the category name.  I suppose that could cause a problem for us if the current conflict were to end and another, unrelated conflict were to begin, which might happen in, say, another few millennia.  --Pi zero (talk) 12:42, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
 * <chuckes>. That was kinda one of my original points about having a year in the category title for a dispute that's probably going to rumble over into next year, varying from hot conflict to a cold one. The three articles (previously five) rule is intended to apply enough retrospective to be a rough first-pass; one where you expect more reports on the same subject going forward. There already is conflict between Russian and Ukraine, even if Russia would only say it is a 'diplomatic conflict'. A category covering that sits as a direct child of Category:Politics and conflicts, Category:Russia, and Category:Ukraine. The Crimean aspects also sit in Category:Crimea, although anything prior to the conflict would not sit in Category:Russia — unless Wikinews had been running since before the breakup of the USSR.
 * We don't try to put articles into the lowest-possible category and expect a drill-down be carried out to find stuff. This is one reason why we don't have nice things use Portals. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:24, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

 * This reminds me of a problem I've been mulling over for a while — partly technical, and partly organizational.

 * On English Wikibooks, we have a subject hierarchy of books. This is a tree.  But at an individual book, you only specify one or two subjects.  The book is automagically added to all the ancestors of those named subjects.  The magic is something I wrote, which only works because on Wikibooks, the subjects for a book were already specified using a template, Subjects, which I was therefore able to co-opt to do a bunch of extra stuff.  For each subject there's a category of the same name, which contains only books that explicitly name that subject; and then there's a second category, whose name adds a suffix to that, that is automatically populated with all books in that subject or any of its descendants.  This makes it possible to set up a DPL for, say, all books that have to do with both geography and mathematics.

 * It seems we couldn't use that technical solution here, even if we wanted to, because we add categories directly rather than using a template. But if we could, I'm not entirely sure just how we would want to use it.  It would be nice not to have to explicitly put an article about  into Category:North America.  But on the other hand, would it open us up to another whole set of subjective judgements about when to list an article under a category?  We'd have to ask, after all, whether what happened in Hoboken stays in Hoboken, or affects all of New Jersey, or all of the United States, or all of North America.  And once one starts with that, perhaps we'd want to take articles that peripherally mention a place or topic, and add them to the "shadow" category for that place even though they don't go in the primary category for it.  Which would seem to greatly multiply the number of category-inclusion decisions for an article.  There should be some way to cut this Gordian knot, but so far I haven't figured it out.  --Pi zero (talk) 14:22, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Not wishing to sound impatient, but would there be any objection to renaming Category:War in Donbass to Category:Donbass Insurgency? --CSJJ104 (talk) 13:13, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

 * Some thoughts.
 * Should this category be purely about events in the Donbass region, or about the larger current conflict between Ukraine and Russia? The overall situation started with Crimea, and won't necessarily end with Donbass.
 * If we do want it to be strictly about Donbass, "Donbass insurgency" (I'd keep the "i" lower-case, myself) feels better to me that "War in Donbass".
 * What keywords might we use for redirects to the category, that would tend to keep it populated (via w)? It's remarkable how easy it is to miss populating a category if it doesn't have a redirect that's likely to be linked.  --Pi zero (talk) 14:01, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * --Pi zero (talk) 14:01, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


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Style guide
I've produced a typeset version of the style guide using LaTeX with the idea that a nice printable version would be useful to somebody. See File:Wikinews Style Guide 2.pdf. While making it, I corrected a few typos/grammar errors on wiki I spotted, or clarified some wording. The text of the document is nearly verbatim, with some minor typographical differences (punctuation inside quotation marks; consistently italicize Wikinews) and few wording differences (since this is more a "book" format). I did add somewhat of a preface, but it is mostly information about the document itself and the introductory sections of the guide. If you have any suggestions/comments, feel free to let me know. Admittedly, it's not exactly the most useful thing, but I was partly doing this as a way to teach myself a bit more LaTex. — Mike moral  ♪♫  08:31, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

 * I copyedited the SG a bit following your copyedits. It particularly caught my eye, when looking over the things you'd been neatifying, that dateline is currently strongly discouraged because the review gadget doesn't handle it correctly.  --Pi zero (talk) 12:57, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This is great: I know it will help me as I plan on getting into citizen journalism here. Thanks. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:55, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

 * I like, but note that the George Orwell quote in the first section is slightly mangled. It needs each of the elipsis bracketed (thus: "[...]") because they're representing omitted parts of the longer text (my selective editing there).
 * The essay it's culled from predates 1984 by a couple of years, the idea that control of language could be an incredibly powerful tool of oppression goes on to become the Ministry of Truth. Imagine an oppressive regime capable of removing, altering the definition of, or otherwise corrupting, the key terms required to discuss a specific idea; the oppressed lose the ability to discuss, or even think about, concepts which might threaten the regime.
 * The idea that choice of words can direct how people think long-predates Orwell. Journalists are supposed to have sufficient mastery of language to, at the very least, be able to nudge people towards a chosen conclusion. Saying: "The pen is mightier than the sword" simply doesn't do justice to the underlying concept. The point of the selective quote? To encourage those who read it to realise they do have some control over language, but that it is a power which the Forth Estate does not have exclusive control over. To give an example, I'd point people to elements within the First Estate (the clergy/church) who have manipulated the public perception of the word "theory" into a derogatory anti-science term. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:37, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I've made a couple of changes to the document. I've changed it to include Pi zero's new changes and Brian's suggestion about the ellipses. I've posted the code on GitHub for anyone to review/edit. The code is a bit messy since making it produce a PDF was more important than neat code, but I'll get around to making it neater. I'll also try to put the PDF output on GitHub so it won't be necessary to upload to Wikinews/Commons every time I (or someone else) make a change. I put it in using the website interface rather than using git, and as far as I can tell, you can only add text-based documents via the website.
 * Thanks! I was hoping it would be useful to somebody. :) — Mike moral  ♪♫  09:11, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

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Captain Dopey
As we approach the holidays (speaking as a 'Yank)....I often get kind of nostalgic and feel kinda lame and dopey....but this year, I've decided to channel my energies toward expressing thanks and gratitude! So, while it's still a wee bit early I just wanted to say THANKS! too all my fellow Wikinewsies here! Admins, reviewers and certainly any and all who report on all sorts of stuff happening around the world, what you do and what the project does is sincerely, a good thing! I heard this recently and I liked it: 'On the internet, everyone yells at the same volume!' Given that, I like that we adhere to solid editorial standards and don't just crank out 'churnalism' (God, I love that word!) Keep up the good work....each and every one of you! --Bddpaux (talk) 16:51, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Content is Lacking
I find that the content is very lacking, and the news s often outdated. I feel that this feels more like a beta or test then a true site. I ask that all users do as I will attempt to do; write as many article as possible. AKA Casey Rollins (talk)Casey Talk with Casey 18th November, 2014. 11:26 AM EST

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Recognition of Prior Learning
Some may have noted that – from the end of July this year – I have started study at the University of the Sunshine Coast. I have requested what us known as Recognition of Prior Learning from the university for two units based off of Wikinews articles I have written. I'll keep everyone posted. --RockerballAustralia contribs 09:24, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Still waiting. Granted Monday was a public holiday. --RockerballAustralia contribs 08:29, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Fingers crossed for you on that one, I see no reason why peer-reviewed contributions to Wikinews should not be considered a valid learning experience and be credited. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:25, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
 * For reference, the units for which credit was request are Online Journalism (CMN237) and News Writing and Reporting (CMN235). Intro to Journalism (CMN130) could also have been added to that list but I figured I had to start actually studying somewhere. (That and the networking) --RockerballAustralia contribs 02:21, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
 * What I submitted for RPL (this and this) was "not at the level required or meet the requirements of the courses requested." (Email at 12:33pm my time, 2:33am UTC)
 * I didn't receive any feedback from that. So, I'll pitch for feedback here. Thoughts, anyone? --RockerballAustralia contribs 06:27, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

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Wikinewsie Group
Anyone seen this? Thoughts?--RockerballAustralia contribs 02:14, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

 * I heard some pretty dark things about what was going on in the early months of this year. Like, word from On High that the way to get along with the Powers That Be was to throw en.wn under the bus.  Which, as I've remarked to Laura on multiple occasions, is a guaranteed way to not end up with a Wikinewsie Group that stands for journalism with integrity; you literally can't establish a precedent for integrity by allowing people with divergent goals from yours to coerce you into repudiating your principles at the outset.  The last time I recall we talked with Laura about any of that, brianmc was more diplomatic with her than I was, and BRS did .  There was some serious question whether Laura had any legitimacy for her actions by that point; as best I could tell, she seemed to be simultaneously using her putative role as chair of the interim board of TWG, and claiming she didn't have to consult with the interim board because TWG no longer existed.

 * I did receive a comment from SJ last month on meta, in defense of the board's position, and I replied, too, with a critique of some of the points claimed, but unsurprisingly didn't hear back again. This was after the superprotect thing hit the fan, in which, essentially, the Foundation treated Wikipedia with a similar level of contempt to the way they've treated Wikinews for many years.  (And, gasp, Wikipedia didn't like it.)  I don't think the board has any credibility at this point to support a claim that they mean well.  --Pi zero (talk) 03:22, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

 * Seen, yes. Thoughts? Well, ... yes, a few. Not many of them bear repeating.
 * Apparently, sitting back and letting Laura spearhead the push on this allowed them to assume TWG didn't have widespread support from those active here longer-term. That seemed to suit the board quite well; because, they not only declined to recognise TWG (per AffComm recommendation) it allowed them to suggest we set up anyway — do what they imagine we're supposed to be doing — and, maybe get a pat on the head 12 months down the line. Wikinews' independence relies on contributors being independent of the Board's opinions on pretty-much everything. ;) I agreed with Laura that a user group was inappropriate; it smacks of "small geographic coverage", which isn't in-line with the user population here. As and when, it suits I intend to keep working with WM-UK and/or WM-DE.
 * Whither TWG? Gawd only knows. --Brian McNeil / talk 06:35, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

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Problems
 * 10% of Tool Labs was down on October 7.
 * Tool Labs was also broken on October 11.

Software changes this week
 * The new version of MediaWiki ( 1.25wmf3 ) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since 9 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from 14 October, and on all Wikipedias from 16 October (calendar).
 * 5% of logged-out readers are getting pages from servers that run the HHVM tool. HHVM should make pages load faster. You can also test it as a Beta Feature.

Meetings
 * You can join a meeting with Language developers on October 15, 2014 at 17:00 (UTC).
 * There is a proposal to organize file pages better. It would use the same tools as Wikidata. You can join a meeting about it on October 16, 2014 at 18:00 (UTC).
 * You can join a meeting about VisualEditor on October 18, 2014 at 18:00 (UTC).

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Tech News: 2014-43
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. You can read translations.

Recent changes
 * You can test a new system to see math using MathML. Go to your display options and choose "".
 * You can add badges in Wikidata for quality articles and featured lists.

File information cleanup
 * You can join a wiki project to help tools read file information. It will help people reuse files.
 * See how to fix metadata. You can fix it by adding markers to templates and adding templates to files.
 * You can see a list of files missing machine-readable information on your wiki.
 * The files missing readable data are also in these categories: no license, no description, no author or no source.

Problems
 * Developers fixed a security problem. If you use Internet Explorer 6, you won't be able to log in any more. You should use a newer browser.

Changes this week
 * The new version of MediaWiki ( 1.25wmf4 ) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since October 16. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from October 21, and on all Wikipedias from October 23 (calendar).
 * 10% of logged-out readers are getting pages from servers that run the HHVM tool. HHVM should make pages load faster. You can also test it as a Beta Feature.
 * If you add the same parameter twice in a template, it now puts the page in a tracking category.

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 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems
 * There was an issue with files from Commons on October 21. You could only see those with names between 140 and 159 characters by visiting Commons itself.
 * There was a problem with cut and paste in VisualEditor in Firefox. It was fixed quickly.
 * There was a problem with editing math in VisualEditor. It was fixed quickly.

Software changes this week
 * The new version of MediaWiki will now come to Wikipedia sites every Wednesday, instead of every Thursday.
 * The new version of MediaWiki ( 1.25wmf5 ) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since October 23. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from October 28, and on all Wikipedias from October 29 (calendar).
 * VisualEditor now uses autovalues for templates if they are in TemplateData.
 * VisualEditor's menu items now show their shortcuts beside them.
 * VisualEditor now opens faster when you click "edit".
 * The rules for plurals in translations changed in some languages. Interface translations are currently not being updated from translatewiki.net; this process will start again on November 6.

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In A Lot of Ways...

 * http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/UberX-Spotify-Facebook-and-Americas-slow-devaluation-of-work.html#hGfJd1oWVke7fG7e.01

...this applies to us! But, make sure you read the WHOLE article. --Bddpaux (talk) 19:08, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

 * It's certainly relevant. Seems like we're neither fish nor fowl; we're trying to provide —without charge and without pay— a service to society that is vanishing as the old economy drops out from under it.   --Pi zero (talk) 21:16, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


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Request for Autochecked?
Hi. Is there a page to add requests to become Autochecked? All my edits currently have to be checked by other users, which I think takes up their time unnecessarily, as I have a clean [//en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3AIt+Is+Me+Here block log] here, and am trusted on other projects ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&username=It+Is+Me+Here&group=sysop&limit=1 en.wp Sysop]). Thanks,  It Is Me Here  t /  c  14:58, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

 * Well, in theory you'd request it at WN:RFP; but frankly, I don't think we want that here. Even the most trusted reviewers don't want their edits autochecked, because the review bit is a very big deal here (think global impact, with no exaggeration in the term).  If there were a way to autocheck everywhere except in mainspace, I imagine we'd all go for it, because the review bit has a different meaning on the other spaces; but as long as autocheck includes mainspace, we'd want to limit it to very highly circumscribed cases (i.e., bots approved by the community — and we're pretty cautious about granting the bot flag).  --Pi zero (talk) 15:16, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

 * We should probably mark Autochecked users as deprecated or historical or something similar. —Tom Morris (talk) 13:01, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Portals lead stories
Is there any limitations on updating the main stories which appear on Portals, or any guidelines on what these stories should be? Some of them are looking dated and I wished to check before just changing them. CSJJ104 (talk) 20:39, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

 * There's not a formal limitation to what you're wanting to do. I don't think anyone would mind if you do it. However, Portals seem to be deprecated in favour of Categories. --RockerballAustralia contribs 20:50, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

 * I had noticed that several are linked to from the main page, or are in turn linked to from one that is, although often these ones do mot have story summaries such as Portal:United Kingdom. Should more effort be spent on ones linked from the main page, or at least a consistency established to what the new page links to (either portals or categories)? CSJJ104 (talk) 21:07, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

 * I was noticing just a day or two ago that there are some portals linked from the main page, and I thought about what it would take to get rid of those links.
 * Many of our categories, but not all, use topic cat, which makes for a pretty snazzy category page. Compare, for example, Category:India which uses topic cat, to Category:Russia which (at this moment) does not.  One thing we'd certainly want to do, before retargeting the links from portals to categories, would be to convert all of those categories to use topic cat.  I started doing that the other day.
 * There is another difference between categories and portals. As it was explained to me long ago, the categories are meant to be used by researchers searching our archives, while the portals are meant for readers.  I'm not sure I completely understand that distinction, but as a practical matter, most portals offer one thing not offered by topic cat: an article-creation form.  I can appreciate the desirability of sending readers from the main page to a page that offers an article-creation form.  So I'm not sure what to think about that.
 * As a further plot twist, I hope soon to start seriously deploying the new generation of semi-automation I've been been developing for the project. This has two different possible implications for the portals.  On one hand, I would expect to replace those article creation forms with a sophisticated interactive article wizard, accessed by a simple button that (unlike a big cumbersome article-creation form) could be conveniently added to topic cat.  On the other hand, the main reason the portals fell out of use, so I gather, was that it was too much work to keep their leads up-to-date, and it's possible the new generation of semi-automation could provide a way to conveniently update portal leads.
 * --Pi zero (talk) 22:05, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I've now upgraded all the region categories to use topic cat. --Pi zero (talk) 12:36, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. Would it be appropriate to update categories with in any categories I come across which don't already use it. Also, what, if any, are the criteria for creating a category? CSJJ104 (talk) 23:35, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

'In Depth' articles
Can anyone explain what is meant by in depth articles? I have seen the phrase in the Content_guide and in several article titles, but cannot find a policy describing what is meant by it.

Thanks to those who have answered my questions up to now, trying to understand how this wiki works. CSJJ104 (talk) 23:30, 22 August 2014 (UTC)


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Terms of use

 * Solidly supported. --Pi zero (talk) 23:35, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I propose we adopt the following replacement for the new Paid contributions without disclosure section of the Terms of Use, as the section allows local projects to replace it.
 * Disclosure of paid contributions on English Wikinews is not a Terms of Use concern; it is a local policy concern.

My intent is to keep this issue under local control, rather than a legal issue that someone might try to take out of our hands (bearing in mind various unscrupulous actions taken pretty regularly by anti-Wikinews agitators). I've worded it to make clear we aren't sanctioning paid editing, in contrast to the replacement wording adopted by Commons: "The Wikimedia Commons community does not require any disclosure of paid contributions from its contributors."

The ostensible purpose of the addition, as I understand it, is to provide a new tool for cracking down on paid editing, by making it a legal issue. However, a strict interpretation of it would allow legal sanction, outside our control, for things some of which we would consider perfectly innocent, and others of which we are quite capable of addressing ourselves (indeed, we're much more able, than is Wikipedia, to take measures when necessary, both sanctioning individuals and issuing corrections on articles). --Pi zero (talk) 19:35, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Ah control. Where would we be without it? Not here if the agitators had it. Any COI issue, of which paid contributions are part, are all currently handled perfectly well locally. So --RockerballAustralia contribs 22:40, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. --Gryllida 06:53, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with what everyone's said so far. --Patrick M (TUFKAAP) (talk) 13:57, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Commons has rather different concerns than Wikipedia or Wikinews. I admire the simplicity of their policy. It is based on WMF's requirement that A Wikimedia Project community may adopt an alternative paid contribution disclosure policy which has to be listed at Alternative paid contribution disclosure policies. I doubt that this qualifies. I think you need to draw one up. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:45, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * That's possible; we'll see. A reasonable person would say the whole thing was inapplicable to us because, prior to the foundation's ill-conceived tinkering, we already had policy in place that impinges on paid contribution; but we're not talking about reasonable people, we're talking about lawyers.  Commons had the advantage of, afaics, genuinely not caring about paid contributions.  We have a more difficult task, in that we have pre-existing policy that wasn't broken before, and we're trying to undo the damage the foundation has done without creating a legal statement that could be construed to interfere with our other policies.  If it proves necessary later, we'll come back to the community to endorse a more explicit phrasing approved by legal (the essence of which would be what we're already agreeing to here).  --Pi zero (talk) 23:19, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Removing any legal problems that the WMF policy might cause is certainly something we should change. Our policy on-wiki should remain the way we handle paid contributions. — Mike moral  ♪♫  08:00, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thought: Is the proposed wording being added to a particular policy page (WN:COI for example) or are we just going to link to this discussion if it comes up? --RockerballAustralia contribs 08:28, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It's part of the WMF's terms of use on the Foundation wiki. Wikinews's change to it will be listed on Meta at Alternative paid contribution disclosure policies. We probably should note this at WN:COI though. — Mike moral  ♪♫  05:01, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Yep, specifically under 'Declaring an interest'. --Bddpaux (talk) 21:33, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I've stated in the sitenotice this discussion would run to the end of August. --Pi zero (talk) 11:24, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Ehhhh, whut? I think the wording should be: "Disclosure of paid contributions on English Wikinews is not a Terms of Use concern; it is one covered under our local conflict of interest policy.". But, yes, I fully a localised wording.
 * It'd be nice to see WMF Legal give us a hand with the wording of local policies; I'm glad, and mildly amused, to see Commons avoiding The Other Place's paranoia about being slightly non-PC, and doing so for completely different reasons from those leading to Wikinews needing its own, subtly different, protections. For one, I don't want to see the asshattery that put me right-off contributing allowed. No, I don't mean Pi zero's edit, but the baying for blood in The Other Place — on no-less than Jimmy Wales' Talk Page.
 * On an unrelated note, I do hope people like the Purty pictures, I'll be looking for someone who fancies picking a few articles/reviews to help put some text around that. I've seen headlines in the Evening News about this being the most-successful Fringe ever. They mention The Stand, which is on Queen Street; I was just opposite The Doctors, with a purple piece of furniture, and asked where it was. I said "Queen Street", they said "So down that way?", and I smiled as I said "oh, aye."
 * They never asked how far. :P --Brian McNeil / talk 03:20, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I did consider wording it to specifically refer to COI, and hesitated over whether that, in something supposed to replace the section of the ToU, could be construed to mean that no other policy besides COI could apply to paid contribution (such as, NPOV). I also thought about asking for community feedback on the wording before actually proposing the thing, but shied away from doing so because I've seen these things get bogged down in discussions of what to do and not get to actually doing something.  --Pi zero (talk) 11:29, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

This gives me a gastric bleed.........
Credentials Please read this carefully. --Bddpaux (talk) 20:36, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

 * []; []. --20:57, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


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Moratorium??
I know this has been proposed in the past (above, even)...but I strongly wish to bring it back up. I think, for a "contest" or maybe a "promotional event" or the-like, we really need to take a run at doing/allowing some 'shorts'. I think a contest would be awesome! I'm not proposing a major policy shift, this would be short-term only. A few four-sentence articles might serve to spark outside reporting interest (and God knows, we could use some around here). Thoughts? Ideas? --Bddpaux (talk) 14:59, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it's a fine idea. If it gives this place a shot in the arm, that can't be a bad thing. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:15, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I've come to believe shorts are a complete and utter waste of time.
 * The concept originates in pSpecial:ListFiles/Brian_McNeil&ilshowall=1rint, and is used where lack of available column inches forces stories to be trimmed back to just the lede. We do not have that restriction. By the time you've collected enough information, from more than one source, to write a lede? A couple of additional paragraphs should be trivial to add. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:27, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The above comes across poorly, and I've buried the positives. It might be better-put as:
 * "When you get the lede, a couple extra paragraphs should practically roll out."
 * How can people convince themselves the lede is not that intimidating? It's storytelling. I've managed to wrap myself up in photography for the past few months, but in doing the Train the Trainers workshop, I've been pushed back to the "storytelling" angle and many of my older notions of what makes a good news story. I related the "We don't use ref[1] shortcuts to let you run off to the sources, and the lede is what 'sells' the rest of the story"; having a fairly receptive audience, both points were well-taken.
 * One point stressed throughout the course was serving up criticism wrapped in positives, and we probably need to look at that as a method of serving up review critiques constructively. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:42, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

"What is Wikinews?"
I've just spent the last two days on a Wikimedia UK Train the Trainers course here in Edinburgh.

Part of the course involved creating a short (half-hour) section from/for a training module. Whilst the "What is Wikinews?" module my group ended up creating was just a course exercise, it is to be reworked into a proper module available for WM-UK, and other chapters, to use. Longer-term the goal would be to have a set of modules taking a class through not having touched Wikinews, to having created an article and submitted it for review.

Train the Trainers followed on from the EduWiki conference held on Friday in Edinburgh University's St. Leonard's Hall; the two events complemented each-other particularly well. We'd a faculty member from Stirling University's Film and Media Studies department who expressed interest in what educational opportunities Wikinews might present to them; peer review came up several times during the EduWiki conference — mainly explaining Wikipedia's Good and Featured articles, but — giving an opportunity to discuss our review process on the conference sidelines. Other good news from EduWiki — at least in the UK — is they're looking to push down out of Higher Education into Secondary (High School); and, that last point reminded me that many of our really good past (lapsed?) contributors started in their latter years at school.

I'm particularly curious to know what other Wikinewsies would expect the follow-on modules for a day-long Wikinews training session should/could be. Assume a class/group size between 12 and 20, the modules for a day-long course would be around an hour in length, the objectives from the first (What is Wikinews?) would be imparting a feel for the editor-reviewer collaboration process; and, the class — in groups of three or four — picking a story and drafting a lede from their selected sources. By end of day, a good outcome being three or four articles submitted for review.

Later this month there is another WM-UK event in Birmingham, which should lead to some longer-term stategic goals for the chapter. I'd really like to see the option to run a Wikinews course, alongside absolutely any WM-UK event, as a defined step towards increasing participation here going on that list of goals. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:43, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

 * I would expect that brief a brief course on how to write for Wikinews would involve a brief (or thorough, time permitting) overview of the writing process, i.e., editor gathers sources, synthesizes those sources into an article, then submits for review. That is obviously the basic gist of what any course should probably discuss and perhaps teaching about what sort of content an article is expected to have. Teaching how to write a good lede is probably among the most important topics to cover. It should be emphasized what's expected of a Wikinews article and what a reviewer would be looking for in an article. Going through the process slowly (but not so slowly as to be boring), might be useful. Writing an article for Wikinews for the first time can be a daunting task, especially when your first article fails its review. Touting the style guide "book" I've typeset a bit, students, I find, are are accustomed to reading materials in the book format, so perhaps that might come in handy.

 * Certainly I think we'd all like to see increased participation here on Wikinews and if WM-UK courses could help bring interest in the project that will help. Out of curiosity, where would these courses be taught at and who would teach them? — Mike moral  ♪♫  06:07, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It's something I'd hope to see piggy-backed on any WM-UK events and, for the time being, I'm the only 'newsie whose been through the course. I'd be keen to see Tom Morris given a chance to do the course, because training really needs two people managing a class. As the course demonstrated, you don't need all presenters to be in-depth subject-matter experts. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:51, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

I've been trying to figure out whether my experience trying to help newcomers learn the project can be applied to a class. For what little it might be worth, here's a short list of broad things all newcomers should know. There's very little I can do, when trying to help someone who just comes to the site out of the blue and submits an article, to convey these messages, however much I'd like to; but a class is a different medium. --Pi zero (talk) 19:48, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Each publication is a collaboration between reporter and reviewer, in which the reviewer isn't allowed to become a coauthor.
 * A good rule of thumb: try to make it easy for a reviewer to check that your work conforms to the review criteria (including verifiability).  That motivates you to learn what to do, and do it; and it motivates reviewers to review your submissions, and to help you learn what to do (since you're visibly a good investment, who can be expected to respond to help with future improvement).
 * Also, don't try to run before you can walk. If you undertake something really challenging for your first article, that challenge is likely to interfere with your efforts to handle the challenge of a first article.


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Template:Tasks
Following some recent discussion on irc, I've attempted an upgrade of template tasks. The problem is that newcomers apparently fail to realize the collaboration page is there at all. Experienced Wikinewsies don't, I think, even read the list of items on the tasks notice, they just go directly to the review template; but lately I've observed distinctly better results from leaving a note on the author's user talk page with a pointer to the review comments, and I don't think that's all because of the "personal touch" (though the personal touch is good too).

As I've got it atm, the template produces the usual message if there isn't a  flag amongst the parameters; if there is such a flag, it produces

If we really want it to produce a visible list based on the other flags, it could. --Pi zero (talk) 17:53, 12 October 2014 (UTC)


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Template:Ping
I plan to rename the existing ping to, shift over the individual links (tedious but not really huge), and repurpose the name ping to do what everyone coming here from any of the other sisters expects it to do. Any lurking reason I should amend that plan? --Pi zero (talk) 13:02, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes. The ping url is borken, and I don't believe the functionality still exists. You should subst: the template into archived articles, then dispense with it. -  Amgine | t 16:13, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, good. I'd figured it was probably an ex-template.  subst is simple.  --Pi zero (talk)
 * Well... I started to subst a few of them, but got to thinking, and instead of doing any more (for now) I modified the template so if it gets no parameters it gives the old technorati behavior, and if it gets one parameter it gives (a simplified version of) the new notification-inducing behavior. --Pi zero (talk) 23:13, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

'Articles created' tool?
Why is this acting up? I hate it when we have an excellent tool, and then it just starts screwing up. Any meta-junkies out there who can look at it? --Bddpaux (talk) 20:16, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

 * Which tool are we talking about? --Pi zero (talk) 20:23, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

 * I've noticed in the past day or two that the SUL tools, provided at the bottom of Special:Contributions all pretty much all projects, including both en.wn and en.wp, appears to be no more. e.g., .  --Pi zero (talk) 20:28, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor coming to this wiki as a Beta Feature

''Hello. Please excuse the English. I would be grateful if you translated this message!''

VisualEditor, a rich-text editor for MediaWiki, will soon be available on this wiki as a Beta Feature. The estimated date of activation is Wednesday, 26 November.

To access it, you will need to visit the page after the deployment and tick the box next to "". (If you have enabled the "" option, VisualEditor will be automatically available for you.) There will also be a "" that you can enable if you need it.

Then, you just have to click on "" to start VisualEditor, or on "" to edit using wikitext markup. You can even begin to edit pages with VisualEditor and then switch to the wikitext editor simply by clicking on its tab at any point, and you can keep your changes when doing so.

A guide was just published at mediawiki.org so that you can learn how to support your community with this transition: please read and translate it if you can! You will find all the information about the next steps there. Please report any suggestions or issues at the main feedback page. You will also receive the next issues of the multilingual monthly newsletter here on this page: if you want it delivered elsewhere, for example at your personal talk page, please add the relevant page here. Thanks for your attention and happy editing, Elitre (WMF) 18:12, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

 * I'd really like to know whether this folly will eventually be forced on us. --Pi zero (talk) 02:59, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

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Tech update
Some news from the Foundation: Microchip08 (talk) 09:31, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * On Monday, bureaucrats on English Wikinews will lose the ability to rename users, as the next step on the long, long road (since 2006!) to migrate to SUL accounts only. Renames will now only be done by "global renamers" on meta: you can request the ght at the usual location on meta: SRGP. There's more information in the section above.
 * On Tuesday, Wikinews will get bumped to a new MediaWiki version (1.24wmf21)
 * On Thursday there will be a new beta feature, HHVM, that you can opt in through your preferences: it is a higher performance version of the software MediaWiki runs on. There shouldn't be any problems with HHVM, but if there are it will automatically fall back to "normal" PHP. As such, opting in will at best "increase performance… by a lot", and worst-case should just be the same as your normal editing experience.
 * Busy week! I'll opt in for HHVM as soon as I remember. How long are they estimating until HHVM is on by default? — Gopher65talk 20:17, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll expect everything to break on Tuesday, then.
 * And I'll opt in for HHVM at earliest, so I can see which essential tooks it breaks and how to work around those problems.  --Pi zero (talk) 20:49, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * They're not sure. You can take a look at the roadmap at HHVM, but it's hard to estimate a completion time because they're not sure how many bugs they'll uncover at each stage. Microchip08 (talk) 09:36, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * HHVM is now available: you can opt in at the usual place. Microchip08 (talk) 09:34, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * This week's update: Tuesday we'll get bumped to 1.25wmf1 (woo! new version!). On Monday, HHVM will be serving 1% of traffic. Microchip08 (talk) 22:02, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Tech update 2
Here's this week's update: Microchip08 (talk) 13:15, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * will now link to Phabricator, the tool we're migrating to from Bugzilla and friends. fab: was already taken :-).
 * Special:MediaStatistics is now a thing.
 * MediaViewer's been improved! (honest)
 * New MediaWiki update (1.25wmf2) will hit English Wikinews on 7 October 2014.
 * Lua (i.e. the Module: namespace) pages won't be able to be saved if they contain errors, which should help prevent things breaking.
 * TemplateData's GUI tool is being rolled out to twenty more wikis (not us). Might be worth taking a look at; maybe we should opt in if it's useful.
 * HHVM now serves 5% of logged-out users. 1.25wmf3 will be deployed on English Wikinews on 14 October. There's a IRC office hour about Visual Editor on 18 October at 1800UTC in #wikimedia-office, which you should join if you have any questions about it. There's also one about using structured data (similar to Wikidata) for file pages on Commons: that one's at 1800UTC on the 16th. Microchip08 (talk) 10:55, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

2009?
Has anyone else noted this page stops at 2009? --Bddpaux (talk) 19:22, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

 * SVTCobra is gone. (let rest of 2009 display (we will forget to update this each month)) -  Amgine | t 23:14, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Template:Weather
I'm about to rename this template, to clear the way so I can use the simpler name for the weather infobox (as I've done for a number of other infoboxen, such as culture and entertainment, on the theory that an infobox should always get the simple unadorned name). Does anyone anticipate any problems arising from this? --Pi zero (talk) 20:56, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The deed has been do'd. Infobox at weather, map at Weather World.  --Pi zero (talk) 23:08, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Just a comment that weather, as a name, more strongly suggests current wither information, while an infobox might better be titled weatherbox or perhaps infoweather or similar. Just in case some poor soul were to make the ultimate sacrifice and set up a weather-updating bot at some point. (Actually, thinking eversoslightly on this, the weather template would be a good name for a somewhat complex template which self-modifies content and might possibly be entirely coded in Lua without recourse to bottage...) -  Amgine | t 04:10, 24 October 2014 (UTC) 04:07, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm. It's imaginable that someone might want to set up a bot or something.  My thinking, though, is that by far the more common operation is adding an infobox to an article, and having trouble figuring out what the infobox is called is a very common problem.  People would try to put up a culture and entertainment box and get this, science and technology and get this, sports and this, United States and this, weather and this.  These problems were chronic; even I kept getting caught out by them.  The problem of a weather bot comes up, what, once a decade?  --Pi zero (talk) 11:46, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds like naming conventions issues vs. people actually doing. <considers> Perhaps dynamic content templates and infoboxen should indicate this in their titles, e.g. Champion's League current (dynamic Champion's League standings) and Champion's League infobox, with Champion's League being redirected to a disambig template saying something like "This is not the template you were looking for. Standard naming convention is Template:[Subject] infobox, Template:[Subject] menu, and Template:[Subject] current." But meh, it is all hidden by a SEP field for me... -  Amgine | t 17:12, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Meta RfCs on two new global groups
Hello all,

There are currently requests for comment open on meta to create two new global groups. The first is a group for members of the OTRS permissions queue, which would not contain any additional user rights. That proposal can be found at Requests for comment/Creation of a global OTRS-permissions user group. The second is a group for Wikimedia Commons admins and OTRS agents to view deleted file pages through the 'viewdeletedfile' right on all wikis except those who opt-out. The second proposal can be found at Requests for comment/Global file deletion review.

We would like to hear what you think on both proposals. Both are in English; if you wanted to translate them into your native language that would also be appreciated.

It is possible for individual projects to opt-out, so that users in those groups do not have any additional rights on those projects. To do this please start a local discussion, and if there is consensus you can request to opt-out of either or both at Stewards' noticeboard.

Thanks and regards, Ajraddatz (talk) 18:04, 26 October 2014 (UTC)


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The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Sourav. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Sourav~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:32, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:37, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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