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July 16, 2018 On Saturday, Belgium defeated England 2–0 in the third-place match of the 2018 FIFA Football World Cup. Thomas Meunier scored an early goal and Eden Hazard doubled the lead for Belgium in the 82nd minute to seal off the third place at the tournament.

England had more ball possession. Meunier opened the scoring for Belgium in the 4th minute, scoring a right-footed shot from within the penalty box, from 's assist. Chadli was in an offside position in the 13th minute, from 's through ball. In the 23rd minute, English striker missed a chance to equalise from 's assist. In the 39th minute, Belgium made their first substitution. Chadli was substituted off due to injury and was replaced by. Just before the first half whistle, Belgium tried to double the lead but Romelu Lukaku and 's attempts were blocked.

In the second half, England made a double substitution, as and Marcus Rashford came on for  and Sterling. English defender was the first to get a yellow card. He was booked in the 52nd minute for a bad foul. At the one-hour mark, Lukaku was taken off for. In the 70th minute, Rashford assisted, and Dier nearly equalised for England, chipping the ball over Belgian goalkeeper Thibaut Courtois, but the attempt was blocked by Belgian defense. Moments later, tried to head the ball in the goal, but the ball went wide. Maguire was booked in the 76th minute. English goalkeeper stopped Belgium from doubling their lead in the 80th minute on the counter-attack, but two minutes later, Belgium scored their second goal. De Bryune assisted Hazard, and Hazard scored a right-footed shot from within the penalty area. In the injury time, Axel Witsel was shown a yellow card. Moments later, the referee blew the final time whistle and Belgium won the third place in the tournament.

After the match, Belgium's coach said, "We wanted to win it. When you beat Brazil and get into the semi-final, the focus has to be to try to win the World Cup. But you need to be realistic when you finish the tournament and look back. These players made history back in Belgium and that's all that matters. These players deserve to have that accolade."

English coach said, "In the end we are very proud of what we've done. We're under no illusions as to where we stand as a team; we've finished in the final four but we're not a top-four team yet, we know that and we've never hidden behind that. Against the very best teams we've come up short but we've had a wonderful adventure and some experiences that will stand this group of players and staff in really good stead for the future. I couldn't ask any more of any of the players today or right the way through the seven weeks we've worked together."

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France beats Croatia 4-2 to win 2018 FIFA World Cup

July 16, 2018 Yesterday, France defeated Croatia 4–2 in the final of 2018 FIFA Football World Cup to win the tournament for the second time. French teenager became the second teenager to score in a FIFA World Cup final after  did in 1958's tournament.

Croatia dominated the ball possession, having almost twice as much as France. In the sixth minute, French defender won a free kick in the defensive half. In the 17th minute, Croatian midfielder committed a foul and the referee awarded France a freekick. Mario Mandžukić ended up scoring an own goal from Antoine Griezmann's assist, giving France an early lead. and Ivan Rakitić tried to equalise for Croatia, later, but their attempts were either blocked or went wide. In the 27th minute, French defensive midfielder was shown a yellow card for a bad foul. A minute later, Ivan Perišić scored a left-footed shot from Vida's assist, equalising for Croatia. The sides were not tied to 1–1 score for long. In the 35th minute, the referee awarded France a penalty kick, after confirming with the video assistant referee. Ivan Perišić had a handball in the penalty area. Greizmann scored from the penalty, putting the ball in the left corner and sending Croatian goalkeeper in the opposite direction. Frenchman was booked by the referee in the 41st minute. The first half ended with France leading 2–1.

In the second half, Griezmann missed a chance to score from Olivier Giroud's assist. France made their first substitution in the 55th minute, as was replaced by. Just before the one-hour mark, Paul Pogba had a shot towards goal but was blocked and Pogba collected the ball, and on the second attempt, the French midfielder scored from the left-footed shot, doubling the lead for France. Kylian Mbappé scored the fourth goal in the 65th minute, from Hernández's assist. With this goal, Mbappé became the second teenager to score in a FIFA World Cup final. In the 69th minute, Mandžukić scored the second goal for Croatia, intercepting French goalkeeper ' pass. However, Croatia could not catch up the two-goal difference, and the match ended 4–2, as France won their second FIFA World Cup.

French coach became only the third person to win the FIFA football World Cup as a player and a coach. As a player, Deschamps won the World Cup in 1998, when he was the captain of the French team. Two years ago, the Deschamps-led French team ended up as the losing side in the UEFA Euro 2016 tournament, 1–0 against Portugal in the extra-time.

After the match, Croatia's coach said, "I congratulate France on their title [...] I have to congratulate my players, it was maybe the best game we played in these championships; we controlled the match but we conceded. Against such a strong side as France, you must not make mistakes. We are a bit sad but we have to be proud as well for what we've done."

Croatian midfielder Ivan Rakitić said, "We were the better team in the first half, we were attacking, but we were unlucky tonight. They scored four goals from their three shots on goal. But I congratulate France, they deserved it."

Tournament top scorer won the Adidas Golden Boot award. The English striker scored six goals in the entire tournament. Belgium's goalkeeper Thibaut Courtois won the Adidas Golden Glove award. Croatia's captain Luka Modrić won the Adidas Golden Ball prize.

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Barring me to rant on the rant page?

Why have categories like Jammu, and Kashmir when "Jammu and Kashmir" exists? If you have a good reason for that, this is a no-brainer. There are enough articles to create Transgender category, and the "backlash related information" just strengthens that, it is not a dead end category.


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It may be useful to indicate the language proficiency (and your time zone, perhaps?) at your user page, to make it easier for others to query you for translations when desired. :)

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 * 1) Serbian Football Association complain about Swiss footballers Xhaka, Shaqiri eagle salute celebration -- complaint against him
 * 2) FIFA World Cup 2018 day eight, nine, ten, eleven: Belgium, England confirm knockout phase qualification; Poland, Costa Rica miss out Last 16 -- scored the winning goal
 * 3) FIFA World Cup 2018 day four: Mexico beats Germany; Serbia leads Group E, Brazil shares the spoils with Swiss -- scored the equaliser
 * 4) FIFA World Cup 2018 Last 16: Sweden, England knock out Switzerland, Colombia -- played the match
 * 5) UEFA Euro 2016, Last 16: Switzerland-Poland, Wales-Northern Ireland, Croatia-Portugal -- scored the goal
 * 6) Swiss footballer Xherdan Shaqiri joins Liverpool -- his contract signing
 * 7) FIFA World Cup 2018 day 12, 13, 14, 15: Iran, Nigeria, Germany, Senegal out of the tournament -- played the match. •–•  18:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

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US astronomers announce discovering ten tiny Jovian satellites

July 19, 2018 On Tuesday, astronomers of the in Washington, DC, United States, announced the discovery of ten small satellites orbiting Jupiter. With this discovery, Jupiter now has 79 known satellites.

The team led by had discovered twelve of the 79 Jovian satellites, including Tuesday's ten, mostly using a Blanco 4-meter telescope of Chile's. The observatory is operated by the in the US. The tiny satellites, none more than five kilometres in diameter, were first observed in 2017. Orbits of these new Jovian satellites were calculated by 's 's. Williams explained, "It takes several observations to confirm an object actually orbits around Jupiter [...] So, the whole process took a year."

The astronomers were looking for planets much farther out than Pluto. Sheppard said, "Jupiter just happened to be in the sky near the search fields where we were looking for extremely distant objects, so we were  able to look for new moons around Jupiter while at the same time looking for planets at the fringes of our Solar System".

Of the twelve satellites discovered by the team, nine were found to be, revolving around the gas giant in the direction opposite to the planet's spin. These nine new retrograde satellites take about two years to complete one revolution around Jupiter.

The remaining three satellites were prograde, spinning in the same direction as Jupiter's rotation. One of the prograde satellites, newly announced on Tuesday, took about one-and-half years to complete one revolution around Jupiter, and its orbit intersected with the outer retrograde satellites. Sheppard said, "Our other discovery is a real oddball and has an orbit like no other known Jovian moon [...] It's also likely Jupiter's smallest known moon, being less than one kilometre in diameter". The astronomer also said, "This is an unstable situation [...] Head-on collisions would quickly break apart and grind the objects down to dust."

Sheppard said of the composition of those satellites, they "started orbiting Jupiter, instead of falling into it. So we think they are intermediate between rocky asteroids and icy comets. So they are probably half ice and half rock."

"" is the name suggested for the "oddball" satellite. was the Roman god 's great-granddaughter, regarded as the goddess of health and hygiene.

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Indian Supreme Court: unconstitutional to bar women of certain age group from entering Sabarimala temple

July 18, 2018 On Wednesday, the Indian Supreme Court declared that preventing women of age 10–50 from entering the in Kerala was "arbitrary" and unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court began on Tuesday the hearing for the filed by petitioners including the Indian Young Lawyers Association. A panel of five judges — Justice DY Chandrachud, Justice RF Nariman, Justice AM Khanwilkar, Justice Indu Malhotra, and the  — heard the case of traditional prohibition of the entry to the temple based on a woman's age.

For centuries, women within the age range when females generally have monthly menstrual cycles were prevented from entering the 's temple. Ayyappan was considered celibate. Earlier this year, the Travancore Devaswom Board made it compulsory for women to produce an age proof in order to enter the temple. Ravi Prakash Gupta, one of the representatives of the petitioners, said, "Mere sight of a woman does not affect anyone's celibacy if one has take[n] the oath of it, otherwise, such oath has no meaning." Menstruation has been considered taboo in Indian society, and women were barred from entering the kitchen or a temple during the menstruation cycle.

A number of fundamental rights, mentioned in the Indian Constitution; including the right against discrimination on the basis of gender or sex, per Article 15; right to freedom of practice of any religion per Article 25; and abolishment of untouchability in Article 17; were considered in this case.

Citing Article 25 (1) of the Indian constitution, Justice DY Chandrachud said, "All persons are equally entitled to freedom of conscience and the right freely to profess, practice and propagate religion." Chandrachud went on to say, "This means your right as a woman to pray is not dependent on a legislation. It is a constitutional right. Nobody has an exclusionary right of entry to a temple".

Chief Justice Dipak Misra said, "On what basis do you deny the entry. It is against the Constitutional mandate. Once you open it for public, anybody can go." Misra also said, "In a public place of worship, a woman can enter, where a man can go. What applies to a man, applies to a woman."

Saying the state government is "bound to obey" the Supreme Court's verdict, Kerala's Minister K Surendran said, "The state government's stand is that women should be allowed to offer prayers in Sabarimala Temple [...] Devaswom board now has the same opinion as that of government."


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Though the article cites the constitution of India, reviewers are free to use Constitution of India/Part III if they choose to, or even as an aid. •–• 19:02, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

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"[...] and women were barred from entering the kitchen or a temple during the menstruation cycle" may need attribution. It appears to come from a quote from a woman to a BBC reporter. Would suggest two options: or --Gryllida (talk) 23:19, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * "Some women" instead of "women" needs to be said, and an "according to a report by BBC" needs to be added at the end.
 * A more factual sentence needs to be written, perhaps with reference to the findings by TISS, with attribution.
 * I think I am in a better position to know this because I am living in this society. The everyday things, which apparently everyone knows, it is still cited because this is not what a reviewer would know. If it wasn't for the global audience, of if the reviewer was from India, it is likely that they would not need a source. 117.222.95.171 (talk) 05:29, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * If this information is your own knowledge, adding 'according to Wikinews' and an OR tag may be appropriate. Gryllida (talk) 07:07, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This is not too trivial to not add a source to help the reviewer, but it is too trivial to tag it for an OR. •–• 07:56, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

"a celibacy"
To "Ayyappan was considered a celibacy", a clarification may need to be added. In Wikipedia an "the state of voluntarily being unmarried, sexually abstinent, or both, usually for religious reasons" explanation is provided, followed by "it is often in association with the role of a religious official or devotee", leaving me confused about the position of Ayyappan in the story. --Gryllida (talk) 23:23, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Wikinews is not a dictionary to provide explanation for such common words. It is the temple of Ayyappan. And legends say that he took the oath. 117.222.95.171 (talk) 05:31, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry I am not from India and I never heard of this word in my life before (the same with 'Ayyappan'). Gryllida (talk) 07:06, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, is at your disposal. And FWIW, the article clearly mentions it is the temple of "lord" Ayyappan. Imagine saying, "I am not from Saudi Arabia, I don't know about 'Allah'." •–•  07:54, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Really? Ayyappan is as central to the Indian religion as Allah to Muslim? It looks like there are multiple dieties in India ("He is a synthetic deity, the son of Shiva and Mohini – the female avatar of Vishnu.", for instance, from w:Ayyappan, and I do not know of Shiva or Mohini and did not hear these words ever in my life before) and there is absolutely no way international audience would know of them off-hand... --Gryllida (talk) 23:15, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That really sounds dumb. "Indian religion"? What is that supposed to mean? And wikilink by itself does not explain shit. The only change that was made is that it went from "Lord" Ayyappan to Lord Ayyappan linking to the same page. If the former did not convince an "international reader", how can the later convince them? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 05:19, 23 July 2018 (talk • contribs) Acagastya
 * Acagastya, please don't be harsh with Gryllida for saying my edit was helpful ;-). I think I understand Gryllida's point; it's to do with what the presentation suggests to the reader about the identity of the referent (Ayyappan), and it's basically why I made that edit.  The scare-quotes on "Lord", and the exclusion of the title from the link, both discourage a reader from an exclusively monotheistic culture from thinking of Ayyappan as a sacred being.  A tricky, profound conceptual gap can occur —I'm aware, though I think a great many people in either kind of culture are not— between monotheism and polytheism, over the concept of deity.  Not that I can explain the gap easily; but I'm aware of it.  --Pi zero (talk) 12:57, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

 * Wikilinking 'Lord Ayyappan' (instead of 'Ayyappan'), and this change, make it clearer. Thanks. Gryllida (talk) 23:15, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * the name is "Ayyappan", even on the target page. He is often called "Swami Ayyappan", where "Swami" is translated to "lord”, but that is not his name. And it is a foreign word which needs translation. It is not a proper noun like "Swami vivekananda". I would still prefer lord to be in double quotes. 45.122.126.87 (talk) 16:44, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Putting quotes around lord is confusing to readers unfamiliar with the culture involved. However, using the title swami would have been fine, presuming a note were left concerning the appropriateness of the term (since I don't think it's supported by the sources). --Pi zero (talk) 17:06, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * To me, by removing the quotes and calling him Lord, you endorse religious belief in Ayyappan, but by keeping the quotes, you show skepticism. To be neutral you might omit "Lord" altogether, and just put Temple of Ayyappan, but mention in the lead that the temple in question is devoted to Ayyappan just so we know it's the same temple. The one thing that is not clear from the article is whether it's the only temple, or one of many, or a special one? 96.83.66.44 (talk) 11:20, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * All titles are a matter of respect, when you get down to it; respect by somebody. Some people are called by a title because a government says they're entitled to it, some people (or, supposed beings) because a religion says they're entitled to it.  In most, though not all, situations we don't have to endorse that in order to use the title and be understood.  There are a lot of situations where it would be okay for us to refer to Jesus Christ, and Christ is a title. --Pi zero (talk) 12:19, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Titles are abolished per the Indian constitution. And read the line just below this message. 45.122.127.247 (talk) 19:42, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

several versions of Bible uses a different font for the word "Lord". YCMTSU. •–• 20:21, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

"the petitioners"
When reading "Ravi Prakash Gupta, who was one of the representatives of the petitioners, ...", it is not clear what the petition is. Nothing was said of it above in the story (or below, either). Perhaps information about the petition goal(s) and timeline could be relevant to the news story at hand, and adding it may be sensible. --Gryllida (talk) 23:26, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry: there is a reference to it in the second paragraph, where it says "public interest litigation filed by petitioners including the Indian Young Lawyers Association". However the reader is left wondering of the geographical scope and timing of the petition and other similar background. Did the number of signatures in the petition need to pass a particular threshold for it to be accepted as a Court filing? Or did the petition only serve as a means to attract attention of the public, while its role in the Court paperwork was only illustrative? (These two questions seem to be worded in a poor and vague manner, but I am hopeful that they successfully convey the point.) --Gryllida (talk) 23:28, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * this is not a change.org petition you find in your inbox. The article explicitly points out that it was PIL making it very clear what it was. Demanding any further explanation is just like asking to explain what a senate is. 117.222.95.171 (talk) 05:33, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * "PIL"? Gryllida (talk) 07:11, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * . That is the first three words of what you quoted above, Gry. •–• 07:58, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * In the US Supreme Court, the petitioner is (if I understand correctly) the party that is appealing from the decision of a lower court, and being the losing party at the previous stage, may be either the plaintiff or the defendant in the original litigation. I do not know if the terminology in India means the same thing, and this article does not say much about the prior history of the case. 96.83.66.44 (talk) 11:56, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


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 * I am not sure which Washington -- but shouldn't we add its category? •–• 09:37, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Double-checked D.C. before disambiguating the link. The Wikipedia article would be unlikely to get that wrong, but in case of doubt one can check their official web site where the About tab says so.  Had overlooked categorization; plausible suggestion; done.  --Pi zero (talk) 13:57, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
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Israeli Knesset passes 'Jewish nation-state' bill

July 22, 2018 On Thursday, the Israeli parliament, the Knesset, passed the "Jewish nation-state" bill granting Israel the status of "national home of the Jewish people". Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called it "a defining moment in the annals of and the history of the state of Israel".

The bill was passed at 3 AM with 62–55 majority. Two lawmakers abstained. The bill declared as the only official language and demoted  from national language to a "special status" language. Netanyahu said, "An absolute majority wants to ensure our state's Jewish characters for generations to come." Speaker of the Knesset said this bill, which received just 51.66% votes in favour out of the full Knesset of 120, was "one of the most important laws ever to be passed by the Knesset".

The Knesset began the voting on Wednesday. Previously, the bill had clauses declaring the state as a Jewish-only community as well as direction for judiciary courts to consider Jewish values over democratic values. Both of the clauses were challenged by the Israeli President and the Attorney General. The latter clause about Jewish values for courts was dropped in May; the other clause was eventually dropped, and the final draft of the bill was approved on Monday. The bill was first introduced in 2011 by the right-wing Likud party.

The latest draft of the bill said the is to be the official calendar of the state. It also read, "Israel is the historical homeland of the Jewish people, in which the State of Israel was established" and "the state views the development of Jewish settlement as a national value and will act to encourage and promote its establishment and consolidation." Israel is home to about 1.8 million, who account for roughly 20% of the national population. The bill also declared Jerusalem, in its entirety, as the capital of Israel.

The bill received negative reception from a number of people. The Arab multi-party alliance called it "anti-democratic, colonialist, racist, and with clear characteristics of apartheid." Calling it a "shameful night", Party's  said it was a "debased and tainted law". The Joint List's questioned, "Why are you afraid of the Arabic language?".

Last week, Netanyahu said, "We will keep ensuring civil rights in Israel's democracy but the majority also has the rights and the majority decides". , the president of, a US-based Jewish Organisation, said the bill "was born in sin, its only purpose is to send a message to the Arab community, the LGBT community and other minorities in Israel, that they are not and never will be equal citizens. Two months ago we celebrated the 70th anniversary of the Israeli Declaration of Independence, where it was written that the State of Israel 'will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or gender.' Today Netanyahu's government is trying to ignore those words and the values that they represent."


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After signing peace declarations, Eritrea reopens embassy in Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa

July 19, 2018 On Monday, Eritrea reopened their embassy in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa just a week after both the countries signed a declaration of the end of the two-decade-long conflict between the countries.

71-year-old Eritrean President raised the Eritrean flag in Addis Ababa and Ethiopian prime minister  handed Afwerki the keys for the embassy. Abiy said, "Both nations have chosen peace as opposed to war [...] We won't allow anyone to stop this from happening."

A former province of Ethiopia, Eritrea voted in favour of a sovereign state and declared independence in 1993. The Eritrean embassy in Ethiopia was shut down in 1998 and, per reports, about 80 thousand were killed in the border conflict between the two nations from 1998 to 2000.

The Ethiopian Prime Minister visited Eritrea earlier this month and on July 9, leaders of both countries signed a declaration of the end of the conflict in Eritrean capital Asmara. After announcing the end of the conflict, telephone lines were set up between the two countries and on Wednesday, flew the first direct plane between Ethiopia and Eritrea in twenty years. Chief Executive of the airlines Tewolde GebreMariam said, "This day marks a unique event in the history of Ethiopia and Eritrea".


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Hindi poet and songwriter Gopal Das Neeraj dies, aged 93

July 20, 2018 Yesterday, poet and songwriter  died at the  in Delhi, India. The poet was 93-years-old.

According to reports, Gopal Das had a head injury at his home in and was taken to  for treatment. The chief of AIIMS trauma centre of New Delhi, Dr Rajesh Malhotra, said, "He was shifted to the trauma centre here [the night before he died] in a critical condition. He had suffered from kidney failure, had infection all over his body and head injury".

Born in the of Uttar Pradesh on January 4, 1925, Gopal Das was a resident of Agra and taught Hindi literature at the Dharma Samaj College in Aligarh. Gopal Das had received some of the highest Indian civilian honourary awards, receiving in 1991 and  in 2007.

Gopal Das also wrote songs for movies and won the  Best Lyrics award on three occasions for his songs ', ' and . He also wrote the songs ', ' and ''.

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A team of researchers from China, Canada, the United States, and Australia published on Wednesday their discovery of an early fossilized baby snake, reportedly the oldest ever found, in a piece of amber in the middle of a deposit in Myanmar. The findings appeared in the journal.

The specimen, a piece of amber, was found in a sandstone deposit by fossil hunters who contacted scientists in 2016, and later donated it to the in, China, where scientists were able to examine it closely. The snake skeleton itself, though missing a head, is about 1.9 inches long (47.5 mm). The scientists said a scrap of skin also found suggests another snake, and bits of plant and insect matter indicate the area may have been forest at the time the snake was preserved. They dated the fossil to the, roughly 99 million years ago, the same period as Tyrannosaurus rex, Triceratops, and early mammals, sharks, and flowering plants. The specimen represents a previously undiscovered species, which the scientists named Xiaophis myanmarensis, or "dawn-snake of Myanmar."

Co-author Michael Caldwell of the noted, "It's spectacular to have a baby snake in the fossil record because, of course, they'd be such tiny, delicate things." The researchers concluded it was in fact a snake and not a mere legless lizard by studying the vertebrae, which were found with their ribs intact, in each part of the snake's body.

The findings, said scientists, indicate fauna from the prehistoric megacontinent migrated to. This is also the earliest snake to be found in a forest environment, suggesting that snakes had become reasonably biodiverse by the Cretaceous.


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Haven't planned about "offensive" -- wanted it to be a place holder while I write it, but the shitty software changed "_" to space, and "<" and "{" are not allowed. •–• 18:55, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * One thing I find frustrating is that we're supposed to pick a title before writing the draft. Sometimes writing the draft shows that the title wasn't exactly right. Darkfrog24 (talk) 03:12, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * A CMS (content management system) would have solved this problem. But when I "write" stories in my journal, I have all the freedom to change the title even after completing the story, which I often do. It is a get away, but yes, CMS would have made things better. •–• 06:58, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

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US director James Gunn fired from Marvel Studios for decade-old offensive tweets

July 23, 2018 On Friday, US director and screenwriter was fired from work on  for  reportedly for his offensive tweets from 2008 to 2011 about, amongst other things, rape and. In a statement, Walt Disney ' Chairman said, "The offensive attitudes and statements discovered on James' Twitter feed are indefensible and inconsistent with our studio's values, and we have severed our business relationship with him".

The Walt Disney Company owns Marvel Studios. James Gunn wrote the screenplay and directed Marvel movies ', released in 2014, and ', released in 2017. Based on the comic book characters in the, the movie franchise featured , , ,  as well as  and  as voice cast for CGI characters. The two movies earned a worldwide box office revenue of about USD 773 million and USD 864 million per 's statistics. Gunn had been writing the third movie in the franchise reportedly to be released in 2020.

Responding to his firing, James Gunn said, "My words of nearly a decade ago were, at the time, totally failed and unfortunate efforts to be provocative. I have regretted them for many years since — not just because they were stupid, not at all funny, wildly insensitive, and certainly not provocative like I had hoped, but also because they don't reflect the person I am today or have been for some time. Regardless of how much time has passed, I understand and accept the business decisions taken today. Even these many years later, I take full responsibility for the way I conducted myself then."

In one of the old tweets, Gunn wrote, "The best thing about being raped is when you're done being raped and it's like 'whew this feels great, not being raped!'"

Dave Bautista, who portrays Drax the Destroyer in Gunn's Marvel movies, tweeted about Gunn's dismissal saying, "James Gunn is one of the most loving, caring, good natured people I have ever met. He's gentle and kind and cares deeply for people and animals. He's made mistakes. We all have. I'm NOT ok with what's happening to him".

After Gunn was fired,, an actor in the latest Marvel Studios movie  wrote on , "i've been saying this FOR YEARS! @jamesgunn is one of the most amazing people I've ever known - both professionally & personally. there are so many people in our lives that we would never have known without the incredible magnet of talent & goodness that is James [...] thanks for making us a part of your family, buddy."


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Talk:Cretaceous baby snake fossil found in Myanmar

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, when rewrote the sentence xe placed the period outside the quotes. This is a correct form, and one which is (or should be) used consistently on wikinews because it most accurately conveys the quoted text. I know you disagree.

Even if you were right and quotation marks are always tied to an English variation, the topic of this article involves people from around the world - more outside the US than in it - so there's no reason to require this US punctuation for this article. Ca2james (talk) 06:21, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * the style you see on Wikinews is decided by the author, not the topic of the article. Sometimes, a reviewer can also decide (since there is information loss in the US variant, and if the reviewer is not comfortable with that, they can switch to the UK version. But since the author and the reviewer used US version, it is a simple call. •–• 07:12, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Ca2james, American English does require tucked-in commas with quotation marks. I can provide you with sources showing this if you feel it's necessary.  Wikinews, unlike Wikipedia, does not have any rules banning American English punctuation.  I do not believe American English really does cause information loss.  If it did, professional publications would have stopped using it and there would be some evidence of information loss.  I've been involved in many discussions of this issue and even looked for such evidence myself, but I've never found any sign that American punctuation confuses the reader or causes errors in subsequent editing or anything like thatss. Darkfrog24 (talk) 11:49, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Though you are not stopped from using US style, Darkfrog24, don't group the problem with what "professional publications" are doing. BBC, for example, has been not answering "when" for news articles for so many months, to get started with; dismissing your claims that Wikinews cannot be better than MSM. Adding periods and other punctuation marks despite the fact that it was not there at the first place is an information loss as now nobody can accurately say that the punctuation mark was there or not. For example, in this case, the US style would say, "Im NOT ok with what’s happening to him." while the UK style would say "Im NOT ok with what’s happening to him". In that way, one knows whether the period was there in the original statement or not. •–• 13:06, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I've had some version of this conversation many times, but the short version is because the British system does not include the punctuation and since the American system treats the punctuation as part of the quotation process, neither system says how the original was punctuated. It's not that your reasoning is bad.  I can see how it would look like the American system would cause problems, but it's been something like 170 years for us to observe that it doesn't. Darkfrog24 (talk) 23:00, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Sigh. That reasoning again.  Doesn't hold water.  Just because people have been doing it for 170 years does not mean it's the best way to do it, just that force of habit, resistance to change, unwillingness to pay the price for changing, and (for good measure) a certain satisfaction in doing things differently from the Brits, were together able to overcome any motive for change provided by awareness of drawbacks.  People have done some Really Stupid Things for longer.  Right off hand, that absurd rule about not ending a sentence with a preposition springs to mind.  --Pi zero (talk) 02:00, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It's less force of habit and resistance to change and more lack of evidence that the other way performs better. I am absolutely not giving you "this is how we've always done it." I'm giving you "we've had [always] to look for evidence, and there isn't any." I feel like you're trying to frame me as a slave to habit when what I'm actually doing is thinking like a scientist. Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:04, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

 * Ah I thought the reviewer's style choice was the one that should be kept. Thanks for the clarification, . Apologies for the confusion, . Ca2james (talk) 13:51, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * There are official style requirements for quotes: Style_guide when the author follows them wrongly, the reviewer may correct it in the article and let the author know, for instance, by linking them to the history of changes made during the review.
 * These requirements do not appear to include anything about where the full stop or quotation marks need to be placed. However I think that such a requirement exists somewhere, perhaps documented on another page. Perhaps Pi zero has an idea of it, as I think they are the person with whom this was discussed previously. Gryllida (talk) 00:48, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I believe there are no specific guidelines on quotation punctuation on Wikinews. For my part, I very strongly disapprove of destruction of information in quotation (Darkfrog24 and I spent a great deal of time, some years back on en.wp's MOS talk, respectfully disagreeing with each other about this), from which it follows I use what the en.wp MOS calls "logical quotation" (there are things about the en.wp MOS I deplore, but this is one I agree with), where trailing punctuation doesn't go inside the quotes unless we're confident it reflects what was originally said rather than editorial presentation by a news site.  That style seems to me to be fundamentally consistent with journalistic dedication to delivering as much accurate information as possible, and I encourage Wikinews reporters to adopt it; but if a writer is vehemently opposed to it (and, rarely, I've encountered such people) I wouldn't force it on them.  We are not, when you get right down to it, a bureaucratically inclined project; a great deal of what we do is based on improvisational interpolation and extrapolation from principles (some deep principles and some shallower ones), and in this case major contributory factors for me are on one hand accuracy, and on the other hand choosing one's battles.  I strongly disapprove of Darkfrog24's position, I frankly think they're just plain wrong on various key points... and I'm convinced there's no point trying to convince them of that because I've spent a really excessively large number of words trying.  --Pi zero (talk) 01:52, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Pi zero, there is no destruction of information, and frankly the assumptions you make about my and other people's motives for preferring American style to British are a bit insulting. The bottom line is that there is no evidence that either style outperforms the other either on project Wiki or in the real world—with the exception of computer programming and some forms of literary criticism, neither of which we do here.  There is no destruction of information.  If there were, someone would be able to point to cases of that actually happening sometime in the past 170 years.  You just like British style more.  You're allowed to just like it more, but you're right that forcing it on other people would be a mistake—just look at what's been happening on Wikipedia for that exact reason.  I feel like there's a certain, I don't know shyness about all of this.  Like some of the people defending the ban are too insecure to say "I matter as much as everyone else.  What makes me comfortable and uncomfortable is important and people should care about it" so they feel more comfortable pretending that it's not only a personal preference, that there's some rule or universal principle involved. "You have to put the toilet paper clockwise because that's the right way to do it!!" instead of "Please put it clockwise because that's how I like it and what I like matters as much as what you like."
 * You've seen that I care about how uncomfortable American punctuation makes you. I put in a lot more work than I should have to writing around the issue so you won't have your teeth set on edge.  But I treat it like what it is: part of your personal package of needs and wants.
 * Wikipedia's rule requiring British style only (basically requiring American English articles to be punctuated incorrectly—and yes you can get dragged to ANI and sanctioned for using American punctuation!) is the single most frequently challenged part of the MoS. People keep showing up with reactions to "Hey, what's this?" and "You know you're doing it wrong, right?" and someone sent me a link of a teacher saying "I don't let my students use Wikipedia because your punctuation is messed up" and then a lot of the regulars just gang up and bully them until they go away.  I'm topic banned on Wikipedia in part because I defended one of these people (or at least that's what I was accused of; it's complicated).  There are a lot of bad feelings associated with this, and Wikinews is better off not importing that kind of drama.
 * For that reason, I categorically oppose any rule requiring American forms in British articles, British forms in American articles, etc. etc. Let people write in the way that they were taught was correct.  Ban no correct form of English so someone miffed about not getting to use British style in one article can just start another one and Brit it up all they want. Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * One format makes assertions about the final punctuation. Another format does not.  Saying that the one that asserts more information doesn't do so is saying something false. --Pi zero (talk) 19:40, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

(ec) "Look for answers within your questions". I read it some a couple of days ago. And actually, you have answered it yourself. If you do a quick search on the internet, you would find the reason you have stated above, in favour of English (UK)'s style and good examples using that reason. Thinking about the US style, I actually laughed because it is followed blindly — it is more like "do it because the rule says so". More like a notorious orthodox religion. You rhetorically asked someone should have raised the concerns: well sorry to burst your bubble, people have raised the issue multiple times. But well, it is same as trying to convince an entire civilisation to use the long s, Wynn, Ethel, and Yogh. You can make use of it, but others are not going to follow your words (shoot, they did not, allegedly follow Jesus' words while he was alive). But actually, I don't know how to respond to your rhetorical question — just like you said MSM will always be better than Wikinews yet there are a number of articles which suggests otherwise; only that you are not ready to accept it. •–• 19:46, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

We appear to have two equally accepted (for publication) options here. Is this correct? Do both these methods need to be described in the the style guide so that a foreigner can choose one and follow it? Gryllida (talk) 23:37, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think this should be in the style guide. Our SG mostly prefers general principles rather than getting into details (though not consistently so).  We don't want to be tied in red tape. --Pi zero (talk) 00:03, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * On that, Pi zero and I are agreed. We should only make a rule about this if there's some kind of problem that necessitates one.  Wikipedia's rule about this has caused no end to trouble.
 * Acagastya, if my choices are "do what the rule say(s)" or "no, do what I say instead," then I'm going to do what the rule says. But on a more serious note, when you say people have "raised the issue," do you mean they provided evidence?  Have you seen real-world problems attributable to American style? (As opposed to just hypothetical problems.)  That would be very significant. Darkfrog24 (talk) 14:41, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Would you recognize a real-world problem if you saw it? What would it look like?  The real-world problem addressed by Wikinews, indeed by the whole wikimedia sisterhood, can only be described in broad, abstract terms, and is an urgent, burning problem; it is by no means less real for affording only a broad abstract description. --Pi zero (talk) 15:13, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


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 * 1) At 20:00utc today we need to close the nominations for arbcom and check that they are valid.
 * 2) Then we need to open the voting period I think.
 * 3) This time is a bit more than 12 hours from now. It is 6am Sydney time and 5am Seoul time (link) if I am not mistaken.

Perhaps if you could double check each of these two points it would be nice. :)

Also there are only six candidates as of yet. I am not sure what is the purpose of voting in the case there are only six. ArbCom itself comprises of six people also.

--Gryllida (talk) 06:37, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, acknowledged.
 * That's true too, and we have 24 hours to validate the candidates. ("Voting will take place from 2000 UTC July 18 to 2000 UTC July 30")
 * It's 5am KST but I am currently in South African Standard Time (UTC+2), so it's 22:00 here.
 * And yeah, more candidates are always better but we can't force anyway :-p — revi  ☏  06:40, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * OK :) --Gryllida (talk) 11:14, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

 * I don't recall any formal process of validating candidates having been followed before. My own understanding of the candidacy criteria is that non-Wikinewsies can't stand for ArbCom — practice going afaik all the way back to the founding of the project says that while outsiders are welcome to speak their mind, in decisions relating to policy, only those who have actually contributed to news production have a voice.  (Seems likely this was put in place originally to prevent outsiders from ballot-stuffing to arbitrarily rearrange the project.)  Other than one occasion years ago that I don't remember clearly (which I think amounted to nothing in the end), we've always gotten confirmation from folks before nominating them, which I don't see explicitly in the rules though it seems advisable both to assure that the nominee is willing to stand and also that they're really available in case they're needed to hear a case; I was rather cheered, this year, that the ones I've nominated responded fairly promptly.  --Pi zero (talk) 13:57, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

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Hi Trizek (WMF),

Regarding the RfC above I regret having to spend time on this improvement which gives us so little impact on productivity of news writing and news reviewing compared with the semi-automated dialog tools and other tasks done in a similar fashion which really need urgent attention and are getting it from technically minded volunteers very gradually.

Compared to these tasks, the conversation about recent changes feed above are a waste of time because there is many changes proposed. I would suggest that you withdraw the plans to implement the live recent changes feed and repeat your research with the aim of identifying which tools would have a greater impact here.

While I see that the recent changes feed has anti-spam features, these have been discussed poorly and it is not super clear how they work or how they may be tested in isolation.

Similar research could be done at Wikibooks, Wikisource, and other sister wikis. I am sure that Wiktionary would benefit from having dictionary-specific facilities for word lookup.

Identifying which implementation would suit these needs best and could allow decentralised development by volunteers themselves who know their needs better than you do would also be a great task, I think. I greatly appreciate centralised properties and centralised skins and scripts (global.js etc) and would suggest that you put more effort into that direction. --Gryllida (talk) 02:12, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

 * Hello Gryllida
 * I share your analysis of the time spent on that case, which has also impacted others projets I have to work on. However, I don't regret the discussions we had, where your community shared the concerns about your work environment and future improvements. Like I've said, I promote non-Wikipedia projects more than you may think, so that feedback will not remain unused.
 * Concerning the deployment, while you haven't been able to give me identified and reproducible blockers. That's what I'll report to the product manager. Then the plans will remain the same a scheduled. Don't forget that I'm still around if you have any question about how to use the filters. I'll be happy to guide you. If you personally don't want them, you can opt them out.
 * Concerning global tools, maybe you've missed Special:GlobalPreferences; I hope you will like that feature! For other developments, maybe you should create a user group for Wikinews wikis in all languages, so that you can weight in feature requests, by asking for improvements that would fit your wiki. This is how Wikisources benefit of an ongoing work on visual editor and Wiktionaries are discussing about Lexemes on Wikidata (disclaimer: I'm not familiar at all with those projects).
 * Best, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 11:40, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * On a section above, you've written a comment I haven't seen before replying there. I quote:
 * "However about 'toggle back' for example recent changes includes a button to 'HIDE anonymous users' (where Hide is a link) and when clicked it switches to say 'SHOW anonymous users' (where the 'Show' is a link to toggle it back) With the new interface I tried it briefly and I found that when some filters are clicked they simply disappear from the list of filters and re-adding them requires me to remember the name of the filter and type it into a text box below. I will most certainly try to add the ui jumps information as soon as it is practical for me to do so (the hardware failure has also prevented me from doing trip arrangements for early July, this would perhaps also have a higher priority). --Gryllida (talk) 02:12, 20 June 2018 (UTC)"
 * If you remove a filter by accident, you can find it back by searching for it. Filter can be found both by searching for their exact name, so as in their description. For instance, if you search for "pages", you will have more results than only a filter named "pages". Do you manage to find a filter back in the 25 filters available on Wikinews? That small problem you encounter is due to the new interface discovery, which is common when someone faces something new. :)
 * You can save filters combinations you use most; I've done that on my volunteer account and that helps me a lot.
 * I wish you to feel better soon, and solve all your hardware issues. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 15:31, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello Trizek and Gryllida, I smell misunderstanding here. IIUC, there are at least 4 versions of the RC UI one could be speaking of at this time.
 * The JS enabled fully-featured version
 * The non-JS version
 * The JS-enabled version you see when you roll back the new UI changes in Special:Preferences
 * The corresponding non-JS version of 3 (not significantly different UI wise from 3).
 * Again IIUC, there are just a few minor differences between 2, 3 and 4, but it's better to speak of them separately for the sake of clarity. Gryllida seems to be specifying the issues they face with 2, 3 or 4, but not about 1. Is that correct? Trizek seems to be specifying solutions for 1 (which isn't suitable for 2, 3 or 4, AFAIK). Is that right? (For the note, Bookmarking of filter combinations is not possible in 2, 3 or 4 :-)
 * That said, the issue that Gryllida speaks of seems to be serious ones that limit usability as far as it is about 2, 3 or 4. Gryllida, could you please state the version of UI you are facing issues with? Further, it would be great if you could provide little more details by sharing URLs, screen shots, environment details such browser, plugins (affecting JS, cookies) etc. I tried to re-produce the issue in 2, 3 and 4 but failed. The filters don't seem to be disappearing when I toggle the anonymous users preference. Are cookies related to this issue?
 * Hope you get well soon, Gryllida. - -Kaartic (talk) 18:04, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Kaartic, I don't have any difference between #1 and #3 when I disable RC filters.
 * 2, 3 and 4 are the old state and I'm here to help with state #1. If there are issues with state 2, 3 or 4, that's not due to the filters, while nothing has been changed on those default states. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 18:51, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Kaartic ,
 * 1) I am facing issues with version number one. It is difficult to toggle things if they are not saved like Trizek linked above.
 * 2) I also dislike the fact that with and without javascript users get a different version which requires them to spend their effort on learning a new interface.
 * 3) I also dislike that the version number one is drastically different from what we had before in the way it looks, this is not really required from any usability perspective/
 * 4) I believe that the advantages of the new interface are two fold: not only it is better (in some ways) but also simply looks different meaning that people who did not use filters previously start seeing something fancy at the top of their RC and learn to use filters. To rule out this 'attention catch' factor I would suggest to repeat the research and not only test the 'old RC' and 'new RC' but also include a test for 'old RC ui with a different border or background color' so that users attention is drawn to it but its ui is in fact the same as it was before. This could allow to establish the usefullness of the ui while ruling out the attention catch factor. --Gryllida (talk) 05:38, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Trizek (WMF), "Concerning the deployment, while you haven't been able to give me identified and reproducible blockers." is inaccurate; left a message at T178990 about it. At this project the discussion of this change has a relatively low priority; its addition would have little impact compared with the impact of implementing adequate news identification and article authoring and article review tools. Because of this, and because of the small size of this wiki, I would suggest to extend the time for this RfC and leave it open until consensus is reached about what needs to be deployed. Hopefully this sounds reasonable. --Gryllida (talk) 06:44, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * You will have a reply on T178990. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 16:41, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Update on page issues on mobile web
Update on page issues on mobile web

Hi everyone. The Readers web team has recently begun working on exposing issue templates on the mobile website. Currently, details about issues with page content are generally hidden on the mobile website. This leaves readers unaware of the reliability of the pages they are reading. The goal of this project is to improve awareness of particular issues within an article on the mobile web. We will do this by changing the visual styling of page issues.

So far, we have drafted a proposal on the design and implementation of the project. We were also able to run user testing on the proposed designs. The tests so far have positive results. Here is a quick summary of what we learned: Our next step would be to start implementing these changes. We wanted to reach out to you for any concerns, thoughts, and suggestions you might have before beginning development. Please visit the project page where we have more information and mockups of how this may look. Please leave feedback on the talk page. CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 20:58, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The new treatment increases awareness of page issues among participants. This is true particularly when they are in a more evaluative/critical mode.
 * Page issues make sense to readers and they understand how they work
 * Readers care about page issues and consider them important
 * Readers had overwhelmingly positive sentiments towards Wikipedia associated with learning about page issues

 * If this is about ambox templates not sowing up in m.wiki websites, I think we have migrated all the important templates to xambox/msgbox for them to show up on mobile sites. •–• 03:20, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Acagastya, you are correct it's about Ambox templates. It's good to hear English Wikinews is on top on these templates. If you have any thoughts on the mock up designs we'd love to have your feedback on the project talk page. CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 20:14, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Postponement of the deployment of the New Filters on Watchlist
There was a recent announcement about the plans to graduate the New Filters for Edit Review out of beta for this Wiki. It stated that the deployment would happen by late June or early July. Since that announcement, we received feedback about a performance issue related to the change which is being actively worked upon. As a consequence, the deployment is postponed until further notice. Sorry for the inconvenience caused, if any.

Please let us know of any other issues or special incompatibility that you may face so that we could make sure they are solved before the feature gets deployed. Thanks, Kaartic (talk) 15:30, 27 June 2018 (UTC)


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