text:
User:Gryllida/WelcomeThing/5

The next step is expanding the story.

You will need to write at least three paragraphs in total (one is already done).

These paragraphs need to have the following features:

 * no plagiarism - write in your own words or else use quotation marks
 * bias free - write facts only, no opinions, attribute where needed
 * past tense
 * follow the inverted pyramid layout (very important)

Visit Special:MyPage/sandbox in a new tab, to view your current draft.

Ready to go? Then click here and follow the instructions.

title: User:Gryllida/WelcomeThing/5


text:
User talk:Waterhammer17

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 04:39, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: User talk:Waterhammer17


text:
User talk:MatildaPipkin3

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 05:42, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:MatildaPipkin3


text:
User talk:RevengeOfPerfection

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 05:45, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:RevengeOfPerfection


text:
User talk:Jagadaya

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 05:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Jagadaya


text:
User talk:NormanSHub

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 06:15, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:NormanSHub


text:
User talk:Mikios.

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 07:32, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Mikios.


text:
User talk:Kapitän Burger

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 08:20, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Kapitän Burger


text:
User talk:Bensammi

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 08:27, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Bensammi


text:
User talk:Elf117799

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 09:41, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Elf117799


text:
User talk:36.69.15.240

Welcome
Gryllida (talk) 11:00, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:36.69.15.240


text:
User talk:MargaretteMelba

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 11:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:MargaretteMelba


text:
User talk:Weird XIV

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 12:44, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Weird XIV


text:
User talk:HCYWilla155384

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 12:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:HCYWilla155384


text:
User talk:JorgeLaArdilla

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 13:06, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:JorgeLaArdilla


text:
User talk:Oby Ezeilo

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 13:19, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Oby Ezeilo


text:
User talk:Swashbuckner

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 14:30, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Swashbuckner


text:
User:Pi zero/essays/What to do when given a not-ready review

 * This might eventually be integrated into some sort of larger document on the collaborative interactions of review.

You've submitted an article for review, and a reviewer has given it a not-ready review. Now what?

One thing to keep firmly in mind: The clock is ticking. An article has to complete the whole review process, all the way to publication —a passing review— within a few days after the focal event of the article, which is really a very short time for all that has to happen (for a Wikipedian, imagine trying to go from first conceiving an article to achieving "good article" status in about 24–48 hours), and a submit/not-ready/revise/resubmit cycle takes a massive bite out of that narrow time window. So anything you do that bears on publishing the article should be done ASAP, and should make a bee line toward all-around-acceptable publication.

For the reviewer who reviews your article, the review is about assessing different aspects of the article for publication, and giving you guidance on what to do for this article and for future articles. But for you, what to do next depends on what you make of the review feedback. Below, we'll discuss different cases; especially, what to do if you don't understand some of the feedback, or if you disagree with it. First, though, some perspective on the larger context that this particular not-ready review fits into.

Dos and don'ts
[criteria that say to do something, and criteria that say not to do something]

Learning
[lots; initial learning curve YMMV]

[a two-way street, but don't expect equal traffic, nor the same sorts of traffic, in both directions (and everyone should be goal-oriented)]

From your perspective
[easy cases]


text:
User talk:L-native

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 15:56, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:L-native


text:
Pakistan Supreme Court acquits Asia Bibi from blasphemy charges after eight years of confinement

November 3, 2018 On Wednesday, the Pakistani Supreme Court acquitted Asia Bibi from charges. Asia Bibi is a Christian who was sentenced to death by hanging in November 2010 and remained in confinement on death row for the past eight years awaiting a final decision, reportedly much of it in solitary confinement.

Headed by the Chief Justice, the bench composed of three judges ruled the prosecution "categorically failed to prove its case beyond reasonable doubt" and Bibi was freed from the charges. In the 56-page-long decision, the Supreme Court said, "This appeal is allowed. The judgements of the High Court, as well as the Trial Court, are reversed. Consequently, the conviction as also the sentence of death awarded to the appellant is set aside and she is acquitted of the charge".

In 2009, two Muslim women accused Bibi of defaming Islamic prophet. Bibi was arrested under 295-C of the after local cleric Qari Mohammad Salaam registered a formal complaint against Bibi. Blasphemy against Islam is punishable by death or by life imprisonment. Bibi's case was appealed in the Supreme Court after Lahori upheld her conviction in 2014.

Following the verdict, a (TLP) leader, Afzal Qadri, said "[The judges] who have ordered the release of the accursed Asia [Bibi] are all liable to be killed under religious edict". Demonstrations broke out in various cities across the country after the verdict. Another leader of TLP, Khadim Rizvi, said he would "paralyse the country within hours" if Bibi was acquitted and set free.

A main high-way in Pakistan's capital Islamabad and several roads in Karachi and Punjab province's capital Lahore were obstructed by supporters of TLP and other religious groups sparking disordered traffic jams. Per the local reports, governments of three provinces —, Punjab, and Sindh— had imposed section 144 which prevented gathering of more than four people in public. Section 144 was imposed till November 10.

The verdict of Bibi's case was welcomed by Amnesty International. South Asia director deputy Omar Waraich said, "Justice has finally prevailed. The message must go out that the blasphemy laws will no longer be used to persecute the country's most vulnerable minorities". Christians account for about one and a half percent of the population of Pakistan. In 2010, then Catholic Pope Benedict XVI called for Bibi's release.

Regarding the blockades in various cities and the threats against the judges, Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan addressed the public via TV broadcast and said, "Which government can function when people say that kill the judges, rebel against the army chief? [...] If the Supreme Court does not issue a verdict according to their wishes, does that mean they will come out on the roads and paralyse the country?"

Prime Minister Imran Khan also said, "They are inciting you for their own political gain, you should not get trapped by them for the sake of the country, they are doing no service to Islam [...] We will protect people's properties and lives, we will not allow any sabotage, we will not allow any traffic to be stopped". He supported the Supreme Court decision and said it was "according to the constitution [of Pakistan] and Pakistan's constitution is according to the teachings of Islam".

After the verdict was announced, Bibi told Agence France-Presse, "I can't believe what I am hearing, will I go out now? Will they let me out, really?"


text:
User talk:Gthuman123

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 16:30, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikinews, Gthuman123.

Have an event from today to share? See the pillars of news writing, and get started.

To ask a question, click here. Gryllida (talk) 22:43, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Still around??
Hi there! Last Fall, you (rather hurriedly) requested accreditation here. While that request failed to pass, we still welcome you contributions here! Have anything to submit??--Bddpaux (talk) 16:51, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * So, I guess another fine example of 'Do for me, before I'll do for you.' --Bddpaux (talk) 01:28, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I filed a case against Nordstrom that is going nicely if I can get past the statute of limitations rule. Might turn into a small scale version of the Wells Fargo type case.Gthuman123 (talk) 21:53, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

title: User talk:Gthuman123


text:
User talk:Daviidfaltas13

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 16:36, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Daviidfaltas13


text:
Wikinews:Accreditation requests/Gthuman123

 * Four different Wikinewsies speak with one voice, here; try writing some news and we'll roll from there. Yet, this user's only edits have been to seek accreditation. Months have passed. Drawing this out any longer would be a waste of time. BRS  (Talk)   (Contribs) 04:25, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Gthuman123 (talk)

 * Name: P H Doyle
 * Location: Topeka, Kansas, United States
 * Areas of interest: Engineering, Busniess, Government
 * Reason: Inverviews
 * Accomplishments: Doyle v Transunion
 * Contact information: Patrick_h_doyle@yahoo.com
 * User ID: Gthuman123
 * Applied on: 16:37, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Getting accreditation is something of a 'big deal', and I don't think 2 edits would do. Leaderboard (talk) 16:45, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Yeah, there honestly isn't a basis here to support accreditation; no content edits here, no activity at all anywhere else on the sisterhood. We're certainly interested to help out a newcomer to Wikinews (just, accreditation isn't appropriate at this stage). --Pi zero (talk) 23:45, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello Gthuman123! Thanks for applying for accreditation. What interviews would you like to do? --Gryllida (talk) 22:41, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Response to Gryllida: Election issues currently. Banking in the near future.
 * Well, the best way for you, would be to start writing regularly--the best way to learn about the project policies and philosophies, as well as to earn the reputation that one needs to get to any higher post. On a side note, as why this request is self-explanatory for why a lot of work is to be done: things should be understood by global audience; and "Topeka, KS" highlights that point. (Who was that veteran Wikinewsie who would say, "You are not in Kansas anymore"?) 103.254.128.86 (talk) 15:50, 1 November 2018 (UTC)


text:
User talk:Juan Villalobos

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 16:58, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Juan Villalobos


text:
User talk:Ddelapointe

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 17:14, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Ddelapointe


text:
User talk:Browk2512

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 17:15, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Browk2512


text:
User talk:RussellFeliz016

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 18:18, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:RussellFeliz016


text:
User talk:Dirk74

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 18:51, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Dirk74


text:
User talk:Gabrasca

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 19:29, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Gabrasca


text:
User talk:UVDShane925832

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 19:49, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:UVDShane925832


text:
Talk:Pakistan Supreme Court acquits Asia Bibi from blasphemy charges after eight years of confinement

Photos (to Nannadeem)
Is or  also her? I think yes but if she was in prison for many years then why did she go to Spain or home. (flickr2commons) Gryllida (talk) 20:49, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Seems yes. https://www.prisoneralert.com/pprofiles/vp_prisoner_197_profile.html says she met her husband on 2013.04.06 same as the date on the photo. Gryllida (talk) 20:51, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks Gryllida. I also add that some times people obtain pics from their sources, irrespective its timing and place it on different sites with permission for its fair use.  Nannadeem (talk) 05:44, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * At Commons the licence needs to be really free. At Wikinews we use the photos from Commons or images are uploaded locally if the licence requires non-commercial use (something Commons people delete on sight). Gryllida (talk) 06:07, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I think issue has resolved, as I see the image(s) in WP Commons. Nannadeem (talk) 12:22, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Headline
Aiming for active voice and to add 'Pakistan'?

"Supreme Court of Pakistan acquits Asia Bibi after eight years in prison"?

Gryllida (talk) 10:35, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * As you wish. Nannadeem (talk) 18:19, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

The word "blasphemy" ought not be capitalized. Additionally, there seems to be an assumption the audience knows about the Asia Bibi case. Not only the headline, but the opening paragraph need to be restructured. Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:49, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree, the first paragraph only says "blasphemy charges" the rest of the article does not further clarify this. Do you think more information needs to be added to the first paragraph or to the end only? Gryllida (talk) 00:52, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, the article needs to decide what is the news? Is it the acquittal or the protests/threats? If it is both, it should be in the headline. For example, "Blasphemy acquittal triggers protests and death threats in Pakistan" ... this is just what I get from reading what we have in our Wikinews article. I have not read the sources. The four sentences in the opening paragraph are extremely disjointed. For example, I don't think the detail of four children belongs in the top. Those are my thoughts for what they are worth. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:12, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Not the best example, but this article's lede tried to highlight two things which competed for focus: Water Disputes: Violence hits Karnataka, Tamil Nadu; Supreme Court revises Kaveri water share decision. Judgement + protests. •–• 05:29, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks SVTCobra. :) I wasn't really reading into this deeply but now I added background to the end and adjusted the layout. I think the freshness expires at midnight from Saturday to Sunday (UTC) because it happened on Wednesday.
 * Nannadeem, maybe you can improve the story a bit further based on this. Gryllida (talk) 11:16, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Left the focus on the acquittal, I hope it is sufficiently recent. At the moment I don't really know anything of the protests so I would not be able to write about them Gryllida (talk) 11:21, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Left the focus on the acquittal, I hope it is sufficiently recent. At the moment I don't really know anything of the protests so I would not be able to write about them Gryllida (talk) 11:21, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

 * The story I submitted mainly pertains to acquittal by apex court and who is acquitted. Simultaneously it also covers reaction erupted after verdict.  With regard to Freshness reporting of acquital in the WP:ITN on Ist Nov-2018 is cited.  However, I have tried my best to focus the story in the lede and its subsequent paragraphs.
 * Gryllida is requested to study the lede and last para of the page and do whatever he deems good. Thanks   Nannadeem (talk) 17:28, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Solitary
I read several of the sources. From what I see, Bibi spent the eight years on death row, not necessarily in solitary confinement. The closest I saw to what this WN article claims is "most of". --SVTCobra 20:12, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * "The illiterate, Christian mother has been behind bars in a prison in central Pakistan´s Multan ever since, spending years in a cramped windowless cell during periods of solitary confinement." (.thenews.com.pk)
 * "She always maintained her innocence, but has spent most of the past eight years in solitary confinement." (BBC)
 * "Bibi, who is the first woman to be sentenced to death for blasphemy in Pakistan, has remained in solitary confinement for the past eight years." (The Guardian)
 * Not sure how to implement this into the article.. Gryllida (talk) 20:26, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Really? How about changing "solitary" to "death row"? Or even qualifying it in accordance with the sources? If they could write it, I am sure Wikinewsies can too. I understand how a person who is angered by Bibi's plight might want to highlight her suffering, however, it is extremely important to remain factual. For this reason, I never wrote articles about things that got my blood boiling. --SVTCobra 21:09, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I was being serious - not caused by compassion or wish to leave it in, but actually by the how to put it in. What is confusing me here is that none of the sources quantify it. Now changed to 'death row' presuming the grammar is now correct (I broke the web browser and lost the addon which opens the sources in a new tab in reading mode, so that makes it hard to look it up), and moved the note about solitary down.
 * The first paragraph is massive. Split it.
 * I find it really concerning that the article does not say the reason for acquittal. Gryllida (talk) 00:00, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * "According to various reports..."? •–• 21:58, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The first paragraph is massive. Split it.
 * I find it really concerning that the article does not say the reason for acquittal. Gryllida (talk) 00:00, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * "According to various reports..."? •–• 21:58, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I find it really concerning that the article does not say the reason for acquittal. Gryllida (talk) 00:00, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * "According to various reports..."? •–• 21:58, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

'solitary' in the headline?
--Gryllida (talk) 04:47, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

 * I noticed that word in the headline, during my final sanity check before publishing, and, realizing that the article body doesn't mention it, checked the sources. One of them did say she'd been in solitary confinement for the whole eight years.  It's not desirable to have something in the headline that isn't mentioned in the article, but it would be much worse to have something unverified in the headline.  Under crazy time pressure, I only verified it.  On later reflection, yeah, maybe next time a situation like that comes up I'll be more likely to remove the additional detail from the headline. For the current article, we could resolve the discrepancy by adding this detail to the article, if it's done within the next half day or so. --Pi zero (talk) 13:27, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Looking at acagastya's fix, and consulting the sources more thoroughly, I see that while one source does say she spent eight years in solitary confinement, two other sources though mentioning solitary are less absolute about it. --Pi zero (talk) 17:19, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Renamed, after all. --Pi zero (talk) 17:33, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * At this talk page at the top there is one more link which expands on the terms of the confinement.
 * Thanks for the rename, Pi zero. Gryllida (talk) 20:22, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the rename, Pi zero. Gryllida (talk) 20:22, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


text:
User talk:FerdinandBurley

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 20:51, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:FerdinandBurley


text:
User talk:Emilio Deheza

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 21:07, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Emilio Deheza


text:
User talk:Luuk Harleman

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 21:27, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Luuk Harleman


text:
User talk:Lnkrijd

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 22:13, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Lnkrijd


text:
User talk:Polloko Bern

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 22:32, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Polloko Bern


text:
User talk:106.212.244.178

Welcome
--Gryllida (talk) 22:36, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Re: Talk:Here's what you can do about climate change.
This is an opinion. Not a recent event. It also contains spam to an external link. Please see What Wikinews is not. --Gryllida (talk) 22:36, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:106.212.244.178


text:
User talk:Erfangha77

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 22:42, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Erfangha77


text: Comments:Syria's National Museum re-opens after six years of civil war


text:
User:Gryllida/js/TagAbandoned.js

// // Adds new "tag abandoned" link, // near "What links here" and "Related changes". // In the timeless skin this is conveniently located // in the right sidebar. If you are using another // skin and the location of the buttons is not // convenient to you, please let me know. // // You clicking the link immediately inserts // "" to the top of the current page, // and removes the "tag abandoned" link from the sidebar.

var tagabandoned = { tag: function { var api = new mw.Api; api.postWithToken("edit", {				action: 'edit',				title: mw.config.get ('wgPageName'),				prependtext: '',				summary: 'added status tag: (s)'			}).done(function (data){				$('#tagabandoned').fadeOut;				jsMsg( 'Template added' );			}); },	init: function { var t = document.getElementById('t-whatlinkshere'); if (!t) return; var li = document.createElement('li'); var a = document.createElement('a'); a.setAttribute('href', 'javascript:tagabandoned.tag'); a.id = 'tagabandoned'; a.appendChild(document.createTextNode('tag abandoned')); li.appendChild(a); t.parentNode.appendChild(li); } };

mw.loader.using(['mediawiki.api'], function { tagabandoned.init; });

//

title: User:Gryllida/js/TagAbandoned.js


text:
User:Gryllida/js/TagEditing.js

//

var tagediting = { tag: function { var api = new mw.Api; api.postWithToken("edit", {				action: 'edit',				title: mw.config.get ('wgPageName'),				prependtext: '',				summary: 'added status tag: (s)'			}).done(function (data){				$('#tagediting').fadeOut;				jsMsg( 'Template added' );			}); },	init: function { var t = document.getElementById('t-whatlinkshere'); if (!t) return; var li = document.createElement('li'); var a = document.createElement('a'); a.setAttribute('href', 'javascript:tagediting.tag'); a.id = 'tagediting'; a.appendChild(document.createTextNode('tag editing')); li.appendChild(a); t.parentNode.appendChild(li); } };

mw.loader.using(['mediawiki.api'], function { tagediting.init; });

//

title: User:Gryllida/js/TagEditing.js


text:
User talk:Edyancdogg1

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 23:47, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Edyancdogg1


text:
User talk:Mimars

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 00:53, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Mimars


text:
User talk:TomokoDerr31255

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 01:36, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:TomokoDerr31255


text:
User talk:Esotox

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 02:44, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Esotox


text:
Wikinews:Water cooler/miscellaneous/archives/2018/October

Tech News: 2018-40
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Ordinary pages can no longer be loaded as javascript. You could do this using  in the URL. Only fully protected pages in the MediaWiki: namespace or user javascript subpages can be loaded as javascript now. This is for better security.

Problems
 * New and updated translations from translatewiki.net will not reach the wikis for a while. You can still translate messages on translatewiki.net. The Wikimedia wikis will be updated with the new translations later. This is because of work on the translation system.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 2 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 3 October. It will be on all wikis from 4 October (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 3 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * You can join the meeting with the Wikimedia Foundation Search Platform team. The meeting will be on 3 October at 15:00 UTC. See how to join if you want to know how the search function works or have questions.

Future changes
 * Because of a data centre test you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for up to an hour on 10 October. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. The time when you can't edit might be shorter than an hour. You can read more about this.

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.  17:34, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-43
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 October. It will be on all wikis from 25 October (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 24 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * The Community Wishlist Survey begins on 29 October. The survey decides what the Community Tech team will work on. You can post proposals from 29 October to 11 November. You can vote on proposals from 16 November to 30 November.

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.  23:11, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Wikitribune just fired almost all its journalists
I was going to do an article on it, but turns out it happened before Sunday, so nertz to that.

I have wondered what the existence of Wikinews and of WikiTribune together would mean. WikiTribune's for-profit, which has earned its participants the mockery of Project Wiki's critics. I haven't been over there much since it started last year. Darkfrog24 (talk) 23:30, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Hm. I think WikiTribune had at least two strikes against it to start with: one, it was trying to address weaknesses of traditional journalism with a mix of wiki crowd-sourcing, which needs an aggressively neutral stance, with for-profit, which is a major cause of problems of traditional journalism and particularly destabilizes the journalistic neutrality that needs to be stable for wiki crowd-sourcing to work; and two, it was being steered by Jimmy Wales, who has for over a decade consistently failed to comprehend the challenges involved in meshing wikis with journalism at Wikinews.  One suspects writing a neutral Wikinews article about WikiTribune would be... challenging. --Pi zero (talk) 00:21, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * This may result into something similar to what I observed at Russian Wikinews two years ago:
 * no leadership for fact-check or NPOV;
 * a few people do it but it is rather chaotic;
 * sometimes self-publish;
 * a crowd of people gathers to write stories, but does not learn anything sufficiently motivating from this process and leaves;
 * much of the output is copied from freely licensed sources...
 * or biased;
 * I think the one positive thing that I can recall from that experience was people participating in photo essays reports first-hand about library meetings and things like cowsay report put here recently. Incidentally, those are relatively easy to make if the reporter knows the event well, a bit easier to translate, and are generally nice, but they still need effort to write the text (something that may have been overlooked in the reports that I was able to read at that time).
 * --Gryllida (chat) 00:43, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Also under the general heading of meta-news stories that are too old to be fresh,. --Pi zero (talk) 04:59, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Could interview Jimmy Wales and publish his interview here but then it would probably be more complete if several different people provide responses. Is he the only person in charge of the WikiTribune site or there are several?
 * Speaking of news it could be interesting to interview several other citizen journalism news groups to see what techniques and what software they are using for 1) news identification 2) keeping track of the drafts status 3) plagiarism check 4) fact check 5) review, some of it could be transferable to Wikinews. Could be a more entertaining and relevant information. --Gryllida (chat) 06:27, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should touch interviewing-Jimmy-Wales with a stick. --Pi zero (talk) 21:41, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Sounds like someone got burned on a previous attempt. Still, there might be someone else over at WikiTribune who'd suit. Darkfrog24 (talk) 00:36, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sanguine about this whole line of inquiry. It's navel-gazing, and in essence it's free publicity for a commercial venture (and a competing one at that).  I don't think we should pursue it. --Pi zero (talk) 00:51, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I've been thinking about this for a while. We could use more people.  If it were the volunteers who were being sent away, we could be going "Hey!  Another spot for you right here!" Darkfrog24 (talk) 13:41, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

EFF: The EU's Link Tax Will Kill Open Access and Creative Commons News
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/10/eus-link-tax-will-kill-open-access-and-creative-commons-news —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:41, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sharing. I find it difficult to grasp. I would they don't want others to copy headlines?
 * So we can reword them. For example The geese won. In this example I don't care about having copied the original headline in the URL because the users won't see the URL anyway.
 * If I want to share the original URL via a plain-text medium such as a plain-text email then it becomes a problem. HOWEVER I doubt the law was designed to punish that... Gryllida (chat) 06:02, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * If titles can't be reproduced, websites would be prohibited to cite an article, as is done ubiquitously on the wikimedia sisterhood, including Wikinews and Wikipedia. It sounded to me as if they want to ban the common practice of citing an article and quoting a passage from its text, which is routine on blogs.  This recent Language Log entry contains a whole bunch of block quotes: .  An additional problem with this seems to be the specific provision to include search engines in the prohibition against quoting passages; search engines rather universally give a short passage from each matching page, to show the context in which the search keywords occur.  This provision would apparently make it illegal for any search engine to provide such a match to any site that it hadn't previously negotiated a contract with, which, at its most insane interpretation, seems like it could legally prohibit search engines from providing matches to non-commercial sites. I thought Doctorow's larger point was that nobody is sure what the heck the new wording means, and it's a bad idea to enact legislation that nobody, not even the enacting legislators, understands.  (I vividly recall, btw, a Town Meeting in which the local Planning Board proposed to make a zoning change that nobody, not even the Planning Board, could understand.  I stood up to speak at that meeting (!) and raised that specific objection.  And the change was enacted anyway; afaik, the incomprehensible provision is in the zoning bylaw to this day.) --Pi zero (talk) 12:14, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-44
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You can post proposals for the Community Wishlist Survey. The survey decides what the Community Tech team will work on. You can post proposals until 11 November. You can vote on proposals from 16 November to 30 November.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The wikis now have a content security policy report. This means that you might get a warning in your javascript console when you load external resources in your user scripts. For security reasons it is recommended that you don't do this. It might not be possible to load external resources in your scripts in the future.

Problems
 * Your watchlist can show which changes you have already seen. This did not work for a few days. It has been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 31 October. It will be on all wikis from 1 November (calendar).
 * The 2006 wikitext editor is no longer available. It will be removed from Special:Preferences. It has not been the standard editor for a long time. It was replaced by the 2010 wikitext editor.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 31 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.  20:08, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

The Community Wishlist Survey
The Community Wishlist Survey. .

Hey everyone,

The Community Wishlist Survey is the process when the Wikimedia communities decide what the Wikimedia Foundation Community Tech should work on over the next year.

The Community Tech team is focused on tools for experienced Wikimedia editors. You can post technical proposals from now until 11 November. The communities will vote on the proposals between 16 November and 30 November. You can read more on the wishlist survey page.

/User:Johan (WMF)  11:05, 30 October 2018 (UTC)


text:
User talk:AracelyLenz

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 03:27, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

--Pi zero (talk) 03:30, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:AracelyLenz


text:
User talk:VernB81060289932

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 03:36, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:VernB81060289932


text:
User talk:Reklaw27

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 03:55, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Reklaw27


text:
User talk:Nine-Tailed Kitsune

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 04:02, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Nine-Tailed Kitsune


text:
User talk:Laurence20N

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 04:17, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Laurence20N


text:
User talk:Maryanne51I

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 04:18, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Maryanne51I


text:
User talk:Satriareformasi

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 04:58, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Satriareformasi


text:
User talk:GeorgiaRenner87

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 04:59, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:GeorgiaRenner87


text:
User talk:Perviz Surti

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 05:32, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Perviz Surti


text:
User talk:44Dan44

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 05:46, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:44Dan44


text:
User talk:CameronEden999

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 06:23, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:CameronEden999


text:
User talk:NouveauTonne

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 07:58, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:NouveauTonne


text:
User talk:Loswayo

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 08:09, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Loswayo


text:
User talk:EmileCatts42

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 08:15, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

--Pi zero (talk) 12:05, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:EmileCatts42


text:
User talk:LeandroKabu

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 08:39, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:LeandroKabu


text:
User talk:7hstebbings

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 09:50, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:7hstebbings


text:
User talk:Ssyydonut

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 10:07, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Ssyydonut


text:
User talk:Beingrkj

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 10:37, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Beingrkj


text:
User talk:Vinaykumar khatu

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 11:11, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Vinaykumar khatu


text:
User talk:SunAfterRain

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 13:25, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:SunAfterRain


text:
User:Softpost

Freelance posting and sharing

title: User:Softpost


text:
User talk:Jalal benali8

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 13:41, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Jalal benali8


text:
User talk:JohnieNdb669

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 13:44, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:JohnieNdb669


text:
User talk:Argothiel

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 15:13, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Argothiel


text:
User talk:LeonHemphill64

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 15:46, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:LeonHemphill64


text:
User talk:Simo las vigas

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 16:14, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Simo las vigas


text:
User talk:Rozzejy

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 16:28, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Rozzejy


text:
User talk:Apollo1079

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 16:47, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Apollo1079


text:
User talk:JovitaS9442

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 16:51, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

--Pi zero (talk) 17:52, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:JovitaS9442


text:
User talk:ArvindThakar05

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 16:55, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:ArvindThakar05


text:
User talk:NormandLavigne3

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 17:20, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:NormandLavigne3


text:
User talk:عوض الحاج عبدالمعطى

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 17:21, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:عوض الحاج عبدالمعطى


text:
User talk:Lenovocianti03

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 17:27, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Lenovocianti03


text:
User talk:Sandra Hanbo (usurped)

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 17:46, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Sandra Hanbo (usurped)


text:
User talk:Longste

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 18:48, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Longste


text:
User talk:JeannineCoppola

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 19:05, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:JeannineCoppola


text:
User talk:StudyingUX

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 19:16, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:StudyingUX


text:
User talk:Laterale

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 19:30, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Laterale


text:
User talk:HeleneSand4

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 19:48, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:HeleneSand4


text:
User talk:Celia Brock

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 20:05, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Celia Brock


text:
User talk:Stanislav123stan

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 20:50, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Stanislav123stan


text:
User talk:AmericanAir88

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 21:11, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:AmericanAir88


text:
User talk:AraPartin86

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 21:54, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:AraPartin86


text:
User talk:Paulina6553

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 22:49, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Paulina6553


text:
User:Gryllida/js/fact-check-in-source-editor.js

/* Author : Svetlana Tkachenko svetlana@members.fsf.org Licence: GPLv3+ Description: [beta] splits selected text into separate sentences, one per line, numbered list Version: 0.1 TODO: [ ] test it See also

technical details of customizing the toolbar snippets of code for common additions to the toolbar
 * http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiEditor/Toolbar customization
 * http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiEditor/Toolbar customization/Library

mw.loader.using(['mediawiki.api'], function {	"use strict";	var splitBySentences = function(context){		var selection = context.$textarea.textSelection( 'getSelection' );		// Split the selection, prepare remarks		//sentencesArray = [];		var sentencesArray = selection.split('.');		var result = '';		var arrayLength = sentencesArray.length;		for (var i = 0; i < arrayLength; i++) {			var sentenceItem = sentencesArray[i];			sentenceItem = sentenceItem.trim;			result = result + '#' + sentenceItem + '.\r\n#:\r\n';		}		$( '#wpTextbox1' ).focus;        $.wikiEditor.modules.toolbar.fn.doAction( $( '#wpTextbox1' ).data( 'wikiEditor-context' ), {				'type': 'replace', 'options': { 'peri': result, }           },            $( '#wpTextbox1' ) );	};	// == WikiEditor codes ==	var customizeToolbar = function {		// add buttons for W and 		$( '#wpTextbox1' ).wikiEditor( 'addToToolbar', { 'section': 'main', 'group': 'insert', 'tools': { 'splitBySentences': { label: 'One sentence per line', type: 'button', icon: '//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Circle-icons-stop.svg/22px-Circle-icons-stop.svg.png', 'action': { 'type': 'callback', execute: function(context){ splitBySentences(context); }					},				}			}		} );	};	/* Check if view is in edit mode and that the required modules are available. Then, customize the toolbar … */	if ( $.inArray( mw.config.get( 'wgAction' ), [ 'edit', 'submit' ] ) !== -1 ) {		mw.loader.using( 'user.options' ).then( function { // This can be the string "0" if the user disabled the preference (T54542) if ( mw.user.options.get( 'usebetatoolbar' ) == 1 ) { $.when(					mw.loader.using( 'ext.wikiEditor' ), $.ready				).then( customizeToolbar ); }		} );	}	// == WikiEditor codes end ==

});


text:
User talk:RaquelSheehan3

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 23:45, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:RaquelSheehan3


text:
User talk:Crapprender

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 23:46, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Crapprender


text:
User talk:Jonalbus

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 23:49, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Jonalbus


text:
User talk:OdessaE7310

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 00:12, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:OdessaE7310


text:
User talk:MyraNorthfield1

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 01:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:MyraNorthfield1


text:
User talk:ZakeryaWP

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 01:27, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:ZakeryaWP


text:
Convicted double murderer executed by electric chair in Tennessee, US

November 4, 2018 At 7:26 p.m. local time on Thursday, the state of Tennessee, United States executed. Zagorski had been convicted of killing two people in 1983. Mere minutes before his execution, the declined to hear his case. Zagorski asked for execution by instead of, which made his case unusual. Tennessee had last used the electric chair method for the 2007 execution of.

"Faced with the choice of two unconstitutional methods of execution, Mr. Zagorski has indicated that if his execution is to move forward, he believes that the electric chair is the lesser of two evils," his legal counsel, Kelley Henry, said prior to the execution. Zargorski was convicted of luring two people into the woods and shooting them and slitting their throats under pretense of selling to them.

With Zagorski, Tennessee has executed 134 people since 1916; two this year, following.


text:
User talk:LouieJ7184234

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 02:43, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:LouieJ7184234


text:
User talk:Awhrh

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 03:02, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Awhrh


text:
User talk:Zy sys

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 03:27, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Zy sys


text:
User talk:C73004

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 03:40, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:C73004


text:
User talk:RoseannWeldon27

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 03:52, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:RoseannWeldon27


text:
User talk:Asterohnefos

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 03:54, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Asterohnefos


text:
User talk:Cerosilva

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 05:02, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Cerosilva


text:
User talk:Tmcmasiya

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 05:42, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Tmcmasiya


text: Category:December 2018

title: Category:December 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/1


text: Category:December 1, 2018

title: Category:December 1, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/2


text: Category:December 2, 2018

title: Category:December 2, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/3


text: Category:December 3, 2018

title: Category:December 3, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/4


text: Category:December 4, 2018

title: Category:December 4, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/5


text: Category:December 5, 2018

title: Category:December 5, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/6


text: Category:December 6, 2018

title: Category:December 6, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/7


text: Category:December 7, 2018

title: Category:December 7, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/8


text: Category:December 8, 2018

title: Category:December 8, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/9


text: Category:December 9, 2018

title: Category:December 9, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/10


text: Category:December 10, 2018

title: Category:December 10, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/11


text: Category:December 11, 2018

title: Category:December 11, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/12


text: Category:December 12, 2018

title: Category:December 12, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/13


text: Category:December 13, 2018

title: Category:December 13, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/14


text: Category:December 14, 2018

title: Category:December 14, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/15


text: Category:December 15, 2018

title: Category:December 15, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/16


text: Category:December 16, 2018

title: Category:December 16, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/17


text: Category:December 17, 2018

title: Category:December 17, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/18


text: Category:December 18, 2018

title: Category:December 18, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/19


text: Category:December 19, 2018

title: Category:December 19, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/20


text: Category:December 20, 2018

title: Category:December 20, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/21


text: Category:December 21, 2018

title: Category:December 21, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/22


text: Category:December 22, 2018

title: Category:December 22, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/23


text: Category:December 23, 2018

title: Category:December 23, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/24


text: Category:December 24, 2018

title: Category:December 24, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/25


text: Category:December 25, 2018

title: Category:December 25, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/26


text: Category:December 26, 2018

title: Category:December 26, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/27


text: Category:December 27, 2018

title: Category:December 27, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/28


text: Category:December 28, 2018

title: Category:December 28, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/29


text: Category:December 29, 2018

title: Category:December 29, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/30


text: Category:December 30, 2018

title: Category:December 30, 2018


title: Wikinews:2018/December/31


text: Category:December 31, 2018

title: Category:December 31, 2018


text:
User talk:YoungLowman37

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 07:05, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:YoungLowman37


text:
Talk:Pakistan Peoples Party

Special:WhatLinksHere/Pakistan_Peoples_Party Looks like there are enough articles for this category. •–• 07:10, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: Talk:Pakistan Peoples Party


text:
User talk:Diplodex

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 07:21, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Diplodex


text:
Category talk:Pakistan Peoples Party

Fill
fill this category

•–• 07:33, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) Pakistani President met with protest on fifth day of UK tour
 * 2) Pakistani court seeks Musharraf's arrest over Bhutto murder
 * 3) Pakistani general election likely to be postponed
 * 4) British Investigators arrive in Pakistan to join Bhutto investigation
 * 5) Team formed to investigate suspicious Pakistan PNSC office fire
 * 6) Pakistan: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed in Baluchistan
 * 7) Wikinews Shorts: September 29, 2010
 * 8) Benazir Bhutto killed in suicide attack
 * 9) Elections in Pakistan delayed until February 18
 * 10) Bilawal Bhutto, son of Benazir, to assume leadership of PPP
 * 11) Musharraf denies government involvement in death of Bhutto
 * 12) Benazir Bhutto buried; violence erupts in assassination aftermath
 * 13) Pakistan International Airlines sacrifices goat, resumes ATR flights
 * 14) Scotland Yard says suicide bomb blast killed Bhutto, not bullet
 * 15) Pakistan Peoples Party winning elections for Pakistan's national assembly according to early results
 * 16) Pakistan Peoples Party names candidate for Prime Minister
 * 17) Pakistan opposition parties form coalition
 * 18) Pakistani parliament passes bill for transgender rights
 * 19) Pakistan's coalition government faces split
 * 20) Asif Ali Zardari elected as President of Pakistan
 * 21) Pakistan's governing coalition breaks apart
 * 22) Pakistan's President Musharraf resigns; new elections to be held
 * 23) Pakistan votes for new parliament
 * 24) Pakistan's parliament elects first female speaker
 * 25) Pakistan's Musharraf will resign within days, say reports
 * Done. --Pi zero (talk) 17:52, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: Category talk:Pakistan Peoples Party


text:
User talk:Milkypine

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 07:35, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Milkypine


text:
Category:Pakistan Peoples Party

de:Kategorie:Pakistanische Volkspartei

title: Category:Pakistan Peoples Party


text:
User talk:Вика Лаврик

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 08:06, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Вика Лаврик


text:
User talk:Y-bouadane

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 08:37, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Y-bouadane


text:
User talk:SitiSchu

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 09:35, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:SitiSchu


text:
User talk:ちゃりぽ

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 09:44, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:ちゃりぽ


text:
User talk:Derekmissing

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 09:46, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Derekmissing


text:
User talk:JeanetteMcKinley

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 10:33, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:JeanetteMcKinley


text:
User talk:Hoinud

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 12:04, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Hoinud


text:
User talk:CarriChandler91

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 12:21, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:CarriChandler91


text:
User talk:Sandro Halank (WMDE)

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 13:02, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Sandro Halank (WMDE)


text:
User talk:JordanBrazenor4

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 15:11, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:JordanBrazenor4


text:
User talk:Usmanzia11

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 15:42, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Usmanzia11


text:
User talk:Valerianb24

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 15:46, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Valerianb24


text:
User talk:Mouhtarif alweb

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 15:47, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Mouhtarif alweb


text:
User talk:WhitneyElsey175

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 16:38, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:WhitneyElsey175


text:
User talk:Sylmen

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 16:43, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Sylmen


text:
User talk:Gimrion

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 17:11, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Gimrion


text:
User talk:FrogCast

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 17:31, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:FrogCast


text:
User talk:Nasneth

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 17:55, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Nasneth


text:
User talk:Civitas13

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 18:02, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Civitas13


text:
User talk:BKeita

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 18:05, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:BKeita


text:
User talk:Thetalktime

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 18:19, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Thetalktime


text:
User talk:Barayema

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 18:36, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Barayema


text:
User talk:TimoZey

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 18:57, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:TimoZey


text:
User talk:Arch-i-tec-sure

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 19:47, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Arch-i-tec-sure


text:
User talk:Sumosacerdote

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 20:01, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Sumosacerdote


text:
User talk:AlfonzoMattos6

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 20:14, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:AlfonzoMattos6


text:
User talk:UnionWay

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 20:29, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:UnionWay


text:
User talk:MaddisonSeddon

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 20:30, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:MaddisonSeddon


text:
User talk:FeliciaMqk

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 20:34, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:FeliciaMqk


text:
User talk:Schery19

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 21:14, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Schery19


text:
User talk:Veola09B1236

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 21:32, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Veola09B1236


text:
User talk:BrigetteKetcham

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 21:43, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:BrigetteKetcham


text:
User talk:LaurelHorseman

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 22:34, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:LaurelHorseman


text:
User talk:Wikijames1

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 22:44, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Wikijames1


text:
User talk:Said Eddarouiche

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 23:35, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Said Eddarouiche


text:
User talk:Tay rek

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 23:40, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Tay rek


text:
User talk:NoraBem98678

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 00:08, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:NoraBem98678


text:
User talk:UYQKermit8

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 00:44, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

--Pi zero (talk) 01:00, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:UYQKermit8


text:
User talk:Mostafaabdelnaser

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 00:57, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Mostafaabdelnaser


text:
User talk:Hassbe

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 01:32, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Hassbe


text:
User talk:Zuliapr

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 01:59, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Zuliapr


text:
User talk:SoonMorrissey

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 02:18, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:SoonMorrissey


text:
User talk:Panyarsarmi

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 02:29, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Panyarsarmi


text:
User talk:VernMcewen804

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 02:39, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:VernMcewen804


text:
User talk:Yygbest

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 03:03, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Yygbest


text:
User talk:AllanSummerfield

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 03:06, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:AllanSummerfield


text:
User talk:Niranjan prasad

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 03:10, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Niranjan prasad


text:
User talk:Alica937816474

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 03:20, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Alica937816474


text:
User talk:Sweptimus

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 03:38, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Sweptimus


text:
Category:User zh-Hant-TW

Users in this category indicate they have knowledge of language Chinese (Taiwan).

title: Category:User zh-Hant-TW


text:
Category:User zh-Hant-TW-3

Users in this category indicate they have skill level 3 for language Chinese (Taiwan).

title: Category:User zh-Hant-TW-3


text:
Category:User zh-Hant-HK

Users in this category indicate they have knowledge of language Chinese (Hong Kong).

title: Category:User zh-Hant-HK


text:
Category:User zh-Hant-HK-1

Users in this category indicate they have skill level 1 for language Chinese (Hong Kong).

title: Category:User zh-Hant-HK-1


text:
User talk:ItsJacobClifford

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 04:56, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:ItsJacobClifford


text:
User talk:MAYJacelyn

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 05:15, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:MAYJacelyn


text:
User talk:Lezman

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 06:07, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Lezman


text:
User talk:Ezvaar

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 06:13, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Ezvaar


text:
User talk:Ozy-Cognac

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 06:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Ozy-Cognac


text:
User talk:Honeywadhawan

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 07:21, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Honeywadhawan


text:
User talk:KlausA245656573

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 07:23, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

--Pi zero (talk) 16:18, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:KlausA245656573


text:
User talk:AJT86

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 07:47, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:AJT86


text:
User talk:Lakshmikantha jc

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 07:50, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Lakshmikantha jc


text:
User talk:Nostochetum

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 08:01, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Nostochetum


text:
User talk:FelicaHawken

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 08:04, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:FelicaHawken


text:
User talk:RufusZny11045

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 08:14, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:RufusZny11045


text:
User talk:DeanaRosser91

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 08:20, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:DeanaRosser91


text:
User talk:DelorasFaucett

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 09:08, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:DelorasFaucett


text:
User talk:Το πουλί της φωτιάς

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 09:43, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Το πουλί της φωτιάς


text:
User talk:Chank.lemon

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 10:33, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Chank.lemon


text:
User talk:BernadineWitmer

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 10:41, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:BernadineWitmer


text:
User talk:Dbonthuis

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 10:57, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Dbonthuis


text:
User talk:Houssam miftah

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 11:31, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Houssam miftah


text:
User talk:Jahkari.kaicyn

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 12:59, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Jahkari.kaicyn


text:
User talk:Driss salhy

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 13:03, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Driss salhy


text:
User talk:AlexAz42

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 13:14, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:AlexAz42


text:
User talk:I am bone123

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 13:16, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:I am bone123


text:
User talk:Jays7321

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 13:23, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Jays7321


text:
User talk:Hasnat Asif Kushal

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 13:37, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Hasnat Asif Kushal


text:
User talk:Rainerpasca

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 13:38, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Rainerpasca


text:
User talk:Bubbajim21

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 14:03, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Bubbajim21


text:
User talk:ILinked

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 14:13, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:ILinked


text:
User talk:The monstres

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 14:14, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:The monstres


text:
User talk:Chimeremeze soala

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 14:32, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Chimeremeze soala


text:
User talk:Abdoulaye khouma7

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 14:33, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Abdoulaye khouma7


text:
User talk:Panorame

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 14:38, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Panorame


text:
User talk:Moebeus

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 16:11, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Moebeus


text:
User talk:EricB007

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 16:23, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:EricB007


text:
User talk:Agusgurusinga

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 16:55, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Agusgurusinga


text:
User talk:신점숙

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 17:34, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:신점숙


text:
User talk:Sunofkings0

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 17:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikinews, Sunofkings.

Thanks for the tip, started draft. Gryllida (talk) 20:30, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Oops sorry for dropping out, Sunofkings0
Hello again,

The story was published:

 * Storm causes building wall at Amazon.com warehouse to collapse

Unfortunately I was not doing a great job at following-up here earlier. Sorry about that!

Do you have any questions, or another tip?

--Gryllida (talk) 11:04, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Sunofkings0


text:
User talk:Lynnr54

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 18:11, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Lynnr54


text:
User talk:Professional dissapointment est03

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 18:45, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


text:
User talk:Quinton38C

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 19:20, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Quinton38C


text:
User talk:Aymane je

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 20:12, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Aymane je


text:
Storm causes building wall at Amazon.com warehouse to collapse

November 5, 2018

On Friday, a storm caused a building to partially collapse in the Amazon Fulfillment Center at the warehouse of Amazon.com, a US-based online retailer, in south-east Baltimore, Maryland, United States. The storm removed the roof of the building, causing a 50 (about 15 ) concrete wall 8  (about 20 ) thick to collapse. At least two people died, and as of Saturday one person reportedly remained missing.

Meg McNamara from the tweeted that the severe weather included two. The weather service said the tornadoes touched down at 8:20 p.m. and 9:42 p.m. local time, the second in Baltimore City impacting the Amazon warehouse.

On Saturday, the said in a tweet that they identified the victims as Israel Espana Argote and 54-year-old Andrew Lindsay. The Fire Department had conducted a search and rescue operation for bodies in the debris, involving heavy equipment.


text:
Talk:Storm causes building wall at Amazon.com warehouse to collapse

Here is the weather data

--Gryllida (talk) 20:55, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


text:
User talk:1Goldberg2

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 21:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:1Goldberg2


text:
User talk:YYYYYYYYYYY........ TTTTTTTTVEE

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 22:18, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


text:
User talk:JulienneAcuna17

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 22:40, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:JulienneAcuna17


text: Comments:Pakistan Supreme Court acquits Asia Bibi from blasphemy charges after eight years of confinement


text:
User talk:Djsonico

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 00:00, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Djsonico


text:
User talk:OuidaMfo65223

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 02:05, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:OuidaMfo65223


text:
User talk:Kitimi

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 02:15, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Kitimi


text:
User talk:Miamireader

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 03:07, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Miamireader


text:
User talk:IRishikawa521

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 03:48, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:IRishikawa521


text:
User talk:Natalia9636

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 04:03, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Natalia9636


text:
User talk:MatthiasLott8

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 04:24, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:MatthiasLott8


text:
User talk:Eric I evergood

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 06:29, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Eric I evergood


text:
User talk:Willy1920

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 08:16, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Willy1920


text:
User talk:Marina Krasotkina

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 08:26, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Marina Krasotkina


text:
User talk:CindyThorne699

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 08:40, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:CindyThorne699


text:
User talk:JuanCamacho

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 08:44, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:JuanCamacho


text:
User talk:燃灯

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 09:22, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:燃灯


text:
User talk:Ml242

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 11:07, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Ml242


text:
User:Ml242

Hello! I am ML242!

title: User:Ml242


text:
User talk:EnglandUser

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 11:47, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:EnglandUser


text:
User talk:Marion6343

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 12:36, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Marion6343


text:
User talk:Nasreen ayisha

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 12:39, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Nasreen ayisha


text:
User talk:YoavRamon

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 13:26, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:YoavRamon


text:
User talk:Юма Сола

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 13:39, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Юма Сола


text:
User talk:NatureLover96

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 14:02, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:NatureLover96


text:
User talk:LaraRgh2833721

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 14:12, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:LaraRgh2833721


text:
User talk:Abhi179

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 14:40, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Abhi179


text:
User talk:Davijojuh

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 14:41, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Davijojuh


text:
User talk:Saqibpaf1

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 14:48, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

--Pi zero (talk) 17:02, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

title: User talk:Saqibpaf1


text:
User talk:F J Alexander 42

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 16:36, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:F J Alexander 42


text:
User talk:Gain253

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 16:40, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Gain253


text: Talk:Convicted double murderer executed by electric chair in Tennessee, US


text: Comments:Convicted double murderer executed by electric chair in Tennessee, US


text:
User talk:JohnnieDobbie7

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 17:07, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:JohnnieDobbie7


text:
User talk:社会我佩奇

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 17:09, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:社会我佩奇


text:
User talk:TheCartoonEditor

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 18:23, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:TheCartoonEditor


text:
User talk:Kobokoa

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 19:28, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Kobokoa


text:
User talk:QuintonQ84

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 19:30, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

--Pi zero (talk) 19:41, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:QuintonQ84


text:
User talk:RevaVentura5

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 19:45, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

--Pi zero (talk) 19:48, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:RevaVentura5


text:
User talk:বেলায়েত হোসেন কাজল

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 20:47, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:বেলায়েত হোসেন কাজল


text:
User talk:Jamila jamola16

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 21:11, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Jamila jamola16


text:
Ross Edgley swims around Great Britain for first time in history

November 6, 2018

On Sunday,, aged 33, completed his 157-day (five-month) staged swim around mainland. He went ashore at, , Kent, England at 8:40 a.m. local time. This was the first time a human swam the roughly 2,800 (1750 ) around the island. The finish line was marked by a large air-filled construction at the beach, with the brand on it. Upon reaching the shore, Ross Edgley was welcomed by a large crowd, several hundreds of people. People ordered three pizzas for Ross Edgley at local theme park.

Ross Edgley said, "It feels a bit weird on land, [...] a bit too solid for my liking! I almost fell over when I started to jog into shore. [...] My feelings now are pride, tiredness and relief. It's been a team effort and it's thanks to the whole crew, the support I've received from the public."

Several hundred swimmers joined Ross Edgley on the last mile. Two Red Bull planes also accompanied the swimmer at the last mile.

Ross Edgley had been swimming for six hours twice each day when possible, in a wetsuit. He spent the remaining time eating or sleeping on his support boat, a named "Hectate". Sailor Matthew Knight piloted the catamaran.

Ross Edgley shared photos and text about the adventure on Instagram. The photos and communication showed that he faced problems with and large waves, while in other times the weather favoured his swim. He also sustained bruised feet as a result of the swimming. In the salt environment he also had "disintegrating tongue".

On August 14, the 74th day of the swim, Ross Edgley reportedly beat the world duration record for a staged sea swim, 73 days. Ross Edgley started the swim on June 1. Red Bull backed the swim.

In 2016 Ross Edgley climbed a height equivalent to Mount Everest's, on a rope in less than 24 hours.

Ross Edgley is from Lincolnshire.


text:
User talk:Fizjoman

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 21:54, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Fizjoman


text:
User talk:حسن وسكوك

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 22:12, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:حسن وسكوك


text:
Talk:Ross Edgley swims around Great Britain for first time in history

'including the mayor'
Is from this photo and comment, not sure if it needs to be listed in sources also. Gryllida (talk) 00:34, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

estimate 200 people or so

Gryllida (talk) 00:34, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Deleted as paywalled

Gryllida (talk) 00:51, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Review of revision 4444228 [Passed]

 * Thanks for the review, Pi zero. I notice two inaccuracies here: one you just wrote in the comment, and another is that the 74th day record was not a Guinness record. In both cases -- great to know! Again thanks for removing these bits. Gryllida (talk) 00:30, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


text:
User talk:74.104.137.240

Welcome
Welcome to Wikinews. Gryllida (talk) 22:34, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Ross Edgley swims around Great Britain for first time in history
Thanks for starting the story. It is now published (expanded by me and reviewed by Pi zero).

Tips:
 * The story is fresh at the time of submission - this is exciting.
 * The minimal length is 3 paragraphs.
 * The layout should be inverted pyramid, which makes it easier to structure the text.
 * Great that two sources were included.

Please keep up the great work.

What did you read about today? The WN:WRITE page has the article creation box at the top.

--Gryllida (talk) 22:53, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism from this IP
This IP has been used for both useful and unacceptable edits to the project. Most recently it has been used for unacceptable edits, and has been blocked for a few days as a preventative measure.

For anyone interested in making useful edits through this IP, sorry for the inconvenience. One fix for you would be to create an account (see Why create an account?); either use a different IP to create it, or wait till the block expires. --Pi zero (talk) 20:55, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:74.104.137.240


text:
User talk:Eazy Mario 21

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 23:35, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Eazy Mario 21


text:
User talk:Hai phuoc nguyen

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 01:02, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Hai phuoc nguyen


text:
User talk:Madomaddie

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 01:13, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Madomaddie


text:
User talk:Schwartzjosh12

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 01:37, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Schwartzjosh12


text:
User talk:MrEbony

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 01:40, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:MrEbony


text:
User talk:WikiBoi122

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 01:58, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:WikiBoi122


text:
User talk:Kjrobida

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 02:11, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Kjrobida


text:
User talk:Jeffrey Kim

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 02:40, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Jeffrey Kim


text:
User talk:Shawn1947

-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 02:55, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

title: User talk:Shawn1947


text:
Wikinews:Water cooler/policy/archives/2018/August

Grounds for failing a review
Surely missing categories is not a reason for removing an article from the review queue since this is something the reviewer can do? Such removal easily may result in the article becoming stale? Reminding of categories need post-review -- on author talk page -- would sound more reasonable? Gryllida (talk) 20:22, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Although it's certainly desirable for the reporter to provide categories, I'm in full agreement with you that categories alone are not fair grounds for removal from the queue; categories aren't even subject to the archive policy. It seems fair game to mention them in various situations (though probably best not to do so if it would tend to eclipse more profound issues); but if that were the only thing one could criticize about an article then frankly it ought to be reviewed and published, and if it's not the only thing one could criticize, removing the article from the queue for that alone would tend to postpone detection of other things that might need attention. Truthfully, I was aware of the plight of the article, and under the circumstances I could have restored it to the queue and undertaken review, if I'd been up to a review at the time. --Pi zero (talk) 22:53, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I am glad to see that categories alone are not fair grounds for removal from the queue. I'd perhaps clarify another point here: if there are other problems with the article (not categories alone), these problems need to be immediately included into a comment at the time of removal from the queue. Would you agree? Gryllida (talk) 00:12, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, reviewers need to have flexibility to exercise "common sense"; but over-eager removal from the queue carries a serious danger. Removing an article from the queue effectively prevents reviewers from finding another problem with the article until after it has been revised and resubmitted from the first problem.  It is direly important to speak up when one sees a problem with an article, because if one fails to speak up, another reviewer could review the article and somehow miss what you saw —no matter how bad the thing you saw, even the best reviewers can slip up— but if you don't have time to look for other problems, even a highly not-ready-worthy problem should probably be dealt with by leaving a comment on the talk page rather than removal from the queue.  Our review gadget requires a reviewer to read the talk page before publishing. --Pi zero (talk) 00:39, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, I guess this means "speak up of issues, or else another reviewer may miss them and publish an article in which these issues are still present". That I agree with. (Please correct me if this is wrong or is worded wrong.)
 * And we already know that, according to our discussion above, a reviewer should not remove from the review queue, because of issue with categories alone. That I also agree with. (Please correct me if this is wrong or is worded wrong.)
 * The next question is: if a reviewer sees two problems, and one of them is lack of categories, then is this reviewer obligated to write about the other issue(s) somewhere (at the talk page or in the review comment) at the time of removing the article from the queue? Gryllida (talk) 01:12, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * "cats" is a formal stand-alone parameter for tasks, and in that case, it is there for a reason. Unlike you both, I think it is necessary to flag articles for issues including missing categories. If categories were not important, they should not exist in the first place. Categorisation is not something to be taken lightly. It is annoying to see articles in the archives not being categorised in the appropriate categories even when it existed. Approval of articles even if they had categories missing, or an independent reviewer adding it while reviewing it gives the impression that "it is okay if you did not bother to add categories. Somebody, hopefully, in theory, would make an editprotected request for their addition." We end up spending significant time behind the process of categorisation and you want to spread the message that such carelessness is acceptable? Unlike most of the rhetorical questions you asked above, Gryllida, this is not. I remember both of you telling newbies on their talk page to "add relevant categories" for the articles. Stop saying that, otherwise. A reviewer adding categories to a newbie's article is acceptable. But doing that for a "more experienced" editor, a reviewer or accredited reporter is not. If someone forgot to add categories once in a while, I can understand that. I remember forgetting to add categories once, in the 100 articles I got published in the last four months. But this is probably the third time I have noticed, Gryllida, that you did not add categories. If you really forgot about adding categories, why don't you make a gadget for that? It would be really helpful, more than the other gadgets, because spending time on categorisation on a later stage is pain in the ass. Categories can be added after archiving, yes: but it takes more effort: wastage of time to find, one editor requesting ep, and an admin dealing with it. Surely not the best way to handle it. Those things can work only in theory: they are not good habits. Just because archival policy does not stop the admins from making changes to category list, it does not imply that it is not a serious issue. And not caring enough about such time-consuming things, one is not learning things which they should be, or they are not practicing those things. As reviewers we want editors to submit high quality articles which is good in every aspect. Not that we discourage the learners, but if they repeatedly show no signs of improvement, it gives a negative meaning. Such acts are nothing but the indications on partial commitment for the article and encouraging reviewers to fix that issue is lowering our standards and jeopardising with the possibility of others learning from the edit history. There are editors who prefer to have the edit history on-wiki, because it helps documenting and serves as the learning material for others. If a reviewer is doing those things, they are providing learners with bad quality learning material. It is surprising that even after flagging that article, and you starting this thread, Gryllida, you decided to not add relevant categories to that article(as of now). So I genuinely ask you, are you not aware of the current practices of categorisation on enwn? Now that could be a possibility which I was overlooking. There has been discussion about how to deal with geo-categories time and time again. But in any case, degrading the standards is not acceptable. On a side note, if I am unable to add categories or wikilink on-time (rare these days; happens only when I am at home home), I either confirm with the reviewer or delay the submission or find excuses in real life to spend a few minutes behind those tasks which is author's duty. We want authors who are dedicated to delivering their best and learning the things. If anyone can't do that; well since this is project works because of volunteers, someone might appreciate even the less-than-100%-efforts behind the article and fix it or review it. I don't mind doing things for noobs as they display dedication and will to improve. But someone who has leaped the barrier and is not a noob anymore: if they show such patters, overly relying on reviewers to clean their mess or fix the issues which could have been fixed without the need of extra set of eye-balls, then I am going to flag the article without hesitation. (But if you could not have added categories or links to the article, and did not leave a note on talk/cabal…then let the concept of "it would work in-theory" play its part, even if it wastes time of reviewers) •–• 02:09, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Contributors with repeated cats issues (which, I am not completely - these all have some categories) need to be queried at their personal talk pages. This has not been done, yet this has, without any message on my talk page. In contrast, see this from Pi zero, which has been fixed because of adequate communication. Gryllida (talk) 02:18, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

I am not sure why my edit from changing "10" to ten" (which is in accordance with the SG) is linked here, but again, article talk exists for such explanation. And if you think you are one of the "Contributors with repeated cats issues", I would suggest you to go through the edit histories and talk pages of your articles. Don't expect a personalised message on your talk about the things that you need to work on. You know how a wiki works, and some reviewers in fact suggest others to go through the edit history so that you can learn what to do and what not to. •–• 02:41, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * This is a wiki. Everyone here is a volunteer, they're here because they enjoy contributing here, and in the current discussion everyone understands the basic principles of the project and is authentically trying to implement them.  We do need to avoid making contribution unpleasant by crippling articles for small flaws.  Also note that we also owe something to the articles themselves; this wasn't fair to the article. --Pi zero (talk) 03:05, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't say it was not "fair" when there is a specific example of it in tasks. And authors do need to avoid making review unpleasant by submitting articles for small flaws which has been pointed out time and time again. We owe the article, yes. We are supposed to review an article, that is what a reviewer is supposed to do. But we do not need to encourage practices which indicate that we (anyone who submits or allows articles without categories or any other flaws which do not require the second set of eyeballs) do not care enough of the project. •–• 03:27, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It's linked because of the phrase written in the edit summary.
 * Edit histories and talk pages of articles are poorly suited for raising problems with a particular contributor, they are not always read in full and are more difficult to navigate or return to (and in some cases may get deleted). This may make your valuable remark more difficult to put into the contributor's working memory the next time they write. Hence the recommendation to use a personal talk page of the contributor instead. Gryllida (talk) 03:17, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Weren't you told on your talk to go through the edit histories? (If not, I don't mind doing it now). But do not speak for everyone. I have learned from the edit histories and they are not poorly suited. If you have a problem remembering things you saw in edit histories, make a note (a real-life hand-written note) -- that will make it harder to forget. Else, save a file on your device and refer to it from time to time just like how one reads Bible again and again. Or just read the essays, policies and guidelines. And stick to the topic. subsection 11 of the first section of Template:tasks explicitly mentions the "cats" parameter and that makes it clear that what I did was how it is documented. I have still not received a formal answer whether you know how current categorisation process works, as Category:Australia is missing. •–• 03:27, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * So, well, what do you have to say about forgetting to add categories (sometimes there are none, sometimes, a lot of important categories missing)? And if you are using a dialog tools to submit articles, then you should create a tool which reminds you to add categories before you hit "submit". Might be useful than most of the tools as categorisation after archive is not so easy and not everyone, who is an admin is helping non-admins to process editprotected requests. •–• 03:32, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * In case this was not too clear: using an edit summary to raise a concern once, the first time it occurs, is perfectly fine in my opinion. However in my opinion from that point there needs to be a very gradual move to 'reject the article because of this small issue', which would ideally be avoided and considered a last resort after each other method has been exhausted; starting from hardest to notice:
 * Edit summary,
 * article talk page,
 * article talk page with a ping,
 * a message at a contributor's talk page, and then
 * a discussion at the talk page querying relevant points such as
 * what makes the contributor forget doing the little task each time,
 * what tool(s) the contributor is using for this small task and
 * why they find them uncomfortable.
 * This is in my opinion a standard process which needs to be followed by reviewers, and skipping any of these steps may hinder the learning process as well as news publication for the individual story which it may have affected.
 * I do not terribly mind being treated the way you did myself -- I can cope with it as I return to the story within a few hours and watch RC after submission. But this time it was over 8 hours because it was my sleep time. And the story was a day old at the time of submission. This was not really very good delay to add to this article. And to add to it, it's terribly long and broad topic, so other issues may arise during a full review. Identifying these issues and either fixing them or leaving notes about them would truly be a more meaningful step to take than to kill around 8 hours of the article life.
 * And if the process I outlined above is not followed I believe other contributors who are not as keen to monitor changes would be put at disadvantage.
 * And either way, I do (although not terribly) mind coping with this situation, it is taking away my time from what could be spent improving the article quality or identifying data that could be added to it.
 * Perhaps this helps to see why I am making this point in the first place. I'd be glad to make such a tool, but I'd rather discuss implementation details elsewhere.
 * --Gryllida (talk) 03:38, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The 'cats' exists in 'Tasks' as this is a common task. Writing it by hand each time is painful, hence the template.
 * It does not pose it as a valid rejection item, alone; only as a valid item to list.
 * The tasks template may even appear before the article is submitted for review: I may mark it with develop and then you mark it with cats to ensure that whoever approaches the article has a chance to fix this task. They may do this before submitting the article for review. This way hours of article life time are not killed; only the couple seconds that it takes you to add the template (plus the couple minutes for me to add cats, but that doesn't count, as someone would have to do it at some point anyway). Gryllida (talk) 03:43, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Before flagging it, I looked for you in various cabal channels, and later sent you a PM. Skipping your sleep patterns and personal opinions -- there is the template parameter which I followed, and I remember that you lost one of the articles because of the same reason that you did not fix the article, adding categories on time. Did you not take notes from that? •–• 03:48, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The list that you have compiled might be how you see the article, and how you learn from it. But the list it exactly the opposite when someone other than the author(s) or reviewer(s) is looking at it. They see the edit summaries, edit histories, article talks and not the user talks. Hindering the learning process? I don't think so; it actually takes care of it, because we encourage people to read the darned edit summaries and history. And actually, I would prefer to listen to a discussion between reviewers and authors who write more frequently, and face these type of issues more frequently. Not that your opinions are not considered, Gryllida, but (on a sidenote, categories are something noobs learn in the beginning, so why do you not add them?) we want to see how to deal with these things in a better way with their everyday on-wiki experience and learning -- before everything started, and I flagged the article, I had notified pizero about Tasks#1.11.
 * There's no reason to assume that IRC messages are read quickly. They do not minimize delays. They do not attract a person's attention to their computer. (My computer does not beep on private messages; if it did, that'd make being at home a disaster distracted by a regular supply of beeps.)
 * I encourage people to read edit summaries and history too, but if that doesn't work out, I propose a process above, without killing 9 hours and 1 minute of the article life immediately.
 * The burden of taking the notes is on both the reviewer and the author, with the reviewer benefiting from leaving the author personalized remarks which the author learns from, and the author benefiting from leaving themselves a few notes about how their writing may be improved. These measures are complementary, not mutually exclusive. --Gryllida (talk) 04:20, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I did not "assume" you will see my message (after all, you often set up server-side ignore, or don't read my messages -- and did you just point out the problems of IRC which I have been telling you, like what, three years?) You may follow your above-proposed process when you review. But if you want to continue discussing the peripheral issues and not acknowledge that you have been submitting less than complete articles to the best of your knowledge, I really don't know why anyone should entertain such discussions. And it would be better if reviewers would make sure that their articles do not eat up other reviewer's time -- else what will the newbies learn? •–• 04:28, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I have been submitting complete articles to the best of my knowledge. Missing cats in the last one is a human error. For issues with chronic undercategorization, overcategorization or mis-categorization of my submissions I welcome to use my personal talk page.
 * Instead, this section is dedicated to a discussion of the grounds for failing a review. I am making a point that small issues can not be such a ground until they have been raised in edit summary, article talk, author talk page once, and author talk page once again to let them know that the cats were missing more than once and they may wish to modify their work flow.
 * This is the subject of this section. I am aiming to reach agreement or clarification on this as a matter of policy and as a matter of article life time.
 * If you find it a "peripheral issue" than you may wish to undertake a conversation elsewhere and allow others to reach this agreement without your participation. Gryllida (talk) 04:36, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

problems related to categorisation should not to be taken to personal talks as article talks are in author's watchlist by default and it serves as better for documentation. Categorisation is good enough to flag the article for pending tasks, as it was not formally "not-ready'd" if you notice carefully. I am shocked to hear that you think your articles were complete to the best of your knowledge because few of your recent articles suggest that you miss a lot of categories and do not devote time behind checking if the categories actually exist or not. •–• 04:45, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * But for long term mis-categorization and under-categorization issues, surely it's best to raise a query at the article talk page where the article categories are discussed for a particular story, and a query at the contributor's personal user talk page where these long-term issues are discussed without relating them to the particular article? Gryllida (talk) 05:36, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The point I am raising is that it could be beneficial for both you and me as well as the whole project if you could raise these issues at my talk page before starting to reject articles for it and before inflicting shock on yourself. The latter two points may be quite disruptive for the output as well as for the persons involved. Gryllida (talk) 05:38, 10 August 2018 (UTC)