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Mentore Conti nasceu em Rieti na Itália em 26 de Janeiro de 1964 vindo pequeno para o Brasil com 6 meses. Estudou aqui até terminar o curso de Direito em Ribeirão Preto, voltando para Itália onde morou por cerca de 3 anos e lá trabalhou na Rádio Mondo de Rieti. Retorna ao brasil trabalhou em 3 peças teatro no Complexo Cultural Dom Pedro II de Jaboticabal sob direção do professor Luiz Carlos Peres Cascaldi. Também pelo complexo cultural Dom Pedro II lança junto com Laudo Ferreira Júnior a estória em quadrinhos Hugo Terrara.Começa a trabalhar em jornais primeiro jornal Atenas News Jaboticabal depois no jornal A Comarca Regional de Monte Alto e na Folha de São Paulo sucursal de Ribeirão Preto (na época o SP Nordeste).Cursou história, lecionando de 1994 a 1997 no Estado, Lecionando ainda no Seminário de Jaboticabal por 1 ano e em escola Particular. Desde 1999 exerce a função de advogado e a cerca de 3 anos trabalha no programa Bom Dia Cidade da Rádio Vida Nova Jaboticabal, programa de Jorge Di Bello onde também atua como comentarista. Participou também do projeto Cursinho Unificado Popular, um cursinho pré-vestibular que funcionou até 2014 em convenio com o Colégio Santo André de Jaboticabal, escreveu durante 2 anos na Revista Ranking Social.Criou o primeiro blog política & comportamento que tem sua continuidade no projeto Crônica e Arte, um site que visa informar, trazer assuntos pertinentes ao dia-a-dia, filmes, livros, etc. Tem um projeto ainda de lançamento de um livro de contos e um de poesias

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Talk:Culture of creativity features at Furnal Equinox 2018

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Can we arrange for this headline to be a sentence? --Pi zero (talk) 22:55, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Does that extra adjective work? --  Zanimum (talk) 11:46, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest adjusting the current by changing "featured" to "features" (making it clearly a sentence in active voice and present tense) and dropping the indefinite article at the front (articles are mostly omitted in ), thus "Culture of creativity features at Furnal Equinox 2018". --Pi zero (talk) 12:31, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Captions and intro
I've edited headlines and formatting.

I think it would be nice to write more about the event, when did it start and in what order did it go.

Add captions to more images. What were they doing? What animal do they represent?

--Gryllida (talk) 00:23, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I've been distracted. I do have audio from the PR guy that I haven't transcribed yet, that will be used in the intro. Zanimum (talk) 11:43, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Reporting notes
I arrived right as the panel on organising the convention started. As Ronnie was a panelist, I didn't have a chance to ask whether it was okay to record audio at the panel, and I didn't have a notepad.

The panelists spoke for the continuous process for planning a convention, and one person from a larger American convention said their 2018 event had yet to happen, but they were already planning 2019.

They spent a block of time during the panel discussing motivations for themselves, volunteer management and how that differs from the workplace where you can actually discipline people, etc. The main quote that at least one panelist said was "if you're happy, we're happy", referring to the audience of attendees.

The only other original research is the fact that the Fursuit Games were made harder by limited vision and dexterity. This should be obvious from the photos, as you can see the human eyes only with the cheetah and ram--neither of whom were participating in the games--meaning everyone had some sort of fabric, plastic mesh, or lens reducing vision, and the fact most hands are pawlike. But also, as I have mascot performer as what's being now termed as a paying hobby (corporate marketing at conventions, parades, that sort of thing), I can confirm this to be the case.

Otherwise, I think that's it? I forget, who do I email the audio of the interview to? -- Zanimum (talk) 13:16, 19 March 2018 (UTC) Zanimum (talk) 13:16, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * "scoop at wikinewsie dot org". I've just checked and it appears to be still functioning.  --Pi zero (talk) 13:46, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I've sent aN M4A audio file, which my sent folder claims is 1.8 MB. Run time is 2m 46s, with the relevant bit starting at about 24s. --  Zanimum (talk) 14:07, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Toronto Comicon celebrates characters from screen and page

Instagram links
I must say, I am not terribly keen on all the Instagram links. It is good to identify the subjects of the photos, but this may be overkill. Cheers, --SVTCobra 12:00, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

 * Okay. I believe that I've done it other conventions? Anyway, I've started to prep an alternative, copying all of the links down to an external links section. To whomever reviews, this is obviously meant as a "one or the other" thing, not intending to include the links twice. --  Zanimum (talk) 13:58, 19 March 2018 (UTC) Zanimum (talk) 13:58, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

 * I should also note, the reason for links at all is to try and suck up to the cosplayers, so that they continue to be willing to pose for me at future events. People like Stavvy and Luxlo have tens of thousands of followers, possibly hundreds, on Instagram, and both were paying guests as opposed to exhibitors. So yeah, basically sucking up to people with fancy clothes, over the long term. Zanimum (talk) 14:02, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

 * We certainly do want to be considerate to what might be thought of as light interviewees, without compromising other principles. --Pi zero (talk) 00:36, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

 * (The other principle involved is isolating external links. This really is a delicate point to balance.)  --Pi zero (talk) 00:47, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

 * I really wish I had never heard about the quid pro quo aspect of this. Especially, knowing that people do make a living off of Instagram. Of course, I have no idea how many followers it takes to become "professional" at Instagram. --SVTCobra 00:54, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

 * Mm. Well, I've tried something.  --Pi zero (talk) 03:03, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

 * Intriguing, I didn't even know that you could do anchors that way on Media Wiki. I like the method,, it works! Zanimum (talk) 08:38, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

 * :-) I've been using a similar technique for the past year or so for the glossary of the Conlang wikibook. --Pi zero (talk) 13:03, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Quotes
So I've just talked to two women pictured in the article, and sent screenshots of our Facebook Messenger chats to the scoop email.

For the sake of transparency to those without the account, ie readers, iluvcookiess' full quote is: "Cosplaying and fursuiting gives you a chance to break free from your every day, it brings confidence, comfort, and creativity. I love seeing the smiles on peoples faces when they see my fursuit (Berrie) and the joy when they interact with her, they are why I wear her!"

Dayna the Sloth's full quote is: "Valkyrie Eevee played by Seconddegreebyrne messaged me and asked me to assemble a group of girls willing to help with the Eeveelutions

I contacted all the girls and they were immediately excited. We all got to work around new years 2018. We communicated through group chat, sharing tips and photos and getting more and more excited for Comicon. It was a great way for us to bond as well. We all became great friends

All of our costumes are hand made by ourselves. Each girl made her own build. We are all incredibly proud of Each other and couldn't have asked for a better group."

-- Zanimum (talk) 23:58, 25 March 2018 (UTC) Zanimum (talk) 23:58, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Additional quote, via Trillian Zee:

Wearing Sailor Moon to a convention is always my favorite because it reminds me why I love my hobbies. I feel like I get so much love and support from other sailor moon fans and it really motivates me to make something bigger and better for the next con Zanimum (talk) 15:10, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Cosplay Sisters:

We love going to toronto comiccon every year. The cosplays keep getting better and better each year with more people dressing up! This con we decided to dress up as some of the x-men. Emma frost, Psylocke and Mystique. We had a lot of fun getting dressed up as some of our favourite mutants.

(I expect this will be everyone, .) Zanimum (talk) 15:34, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

One last one, Holly Wolf:

Cosplay and comic con is the perfect way to celebrate you me favourite fandoms, and interact with Like minded people around you.

I love video games and movies, and cosplay is an outlet to express that love. Zanimum (talk) 17:17, 26 March 2018 (UTC)


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Vladimir Putin wins fourth term as President of Russia

March 20, 2018

Yesterday, the (CEC) of Russia declared incumbent President Vladimir Putin the winner of Sunday's  amidst heavy criticism from opposition groups and western media. Although the results were preliminary and not all votes counted, Putin's lead was insurmountable and he was declared the winner.

According to the CEC, Putin won nearly 77% of the popular vote, running as an independent despite his preceding longtime affiliation with the party. In second place was, the candidate for the , who received just under 12% of the vote. The CEC reported a turnout above 67% of all eligible voters.

Before official results were announced, Putin held a victory celebration in the in Moscow on Sunday night. Hours after the final polling stations closed, he was on stage before a large crowd leading them in patriotic chants. "It's very important to maintain this unity", said Putin. "We will think about the future of our great Motherland".

Foreign news media have been heavily critical of the election. Numerous recordings appear to show. State television in Russia have claimed many video recordings to be fake.  reported, Russian citizens living abroad but eligible to vote had a turnout of 98% and 84% of those voted for Putin.

The, which had observers in Russia for the election, said there was a "lack of genuine competition" because of "[r]estrictions on the fundamental freedoms of assembly, association and expression", but the CEC had operated "efficiently and openly".

Vladimir Putin first became in 1999. He has held the office since then except for one term when Dmitry Medvedev was in office due to term-limit restrictions. The presidential term in Russia is six years but it was four years during Putin's first two terms.


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Talk:Sydney experiences hottest March day in 35 years

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The graph is nice, but it seems to show temperatures didn't go above 38°C. Why the disconnect between the chart and the article? Cheers, --SVTCobra 13:42, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * To further SVT's point, I would change the temperature scale. If you are talking about 38°C and at no point goes lower than 20ish, there is no reason why you should have a scale from 0 to 100. It looks like your using Excel for this, which means it maybe difficult to do that, WolframAlpha could probably do it better. AZOperator (talk) 17:01, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The left-hand scale is relative humidity in % 0-90 ... the temperature scale on the right in °C goes from 0-45. Cheers, --SVTCobra 17:18, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The BOM data indeed did not record the temperatures to go above 40C. This is something the news sources do not explain. At home I did measure 40.7C. Gryllida (talk) 23:02, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I presume this is because they update the weather station data every 10 minutes but only a 30 minutes interval report is available on the website of now. A weatherzone table confirms the maximum to be data from the Sydney Airport (AP) weather station so I am adding this as a source to the article and adding a line about that. I am not sure whether I will be able to get a complete dataset to plot from BOM, this may take a while. Sent them an email asking to provide the full data set if they do not mind. Gryllida (talk) 23:20, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, it raises questions about what data Daily Mail was basing their article on. They clearly said at the airport, but the data we have doesn't support it. Also, Daily Mail is not local (nor very reliable in my personal experience). However, you mentioned a photo you took of a 'weather station' (I assume it is some type of thermometer). Is the quality such that it could be in the article? Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:26, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It seems illogical that a smooth curve such as in your chart would spike 2.5°C on a single 10 minute date point. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:29, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The data is also supported by the weatherzone source I just added, it specifically says the maximum was recorded at sydney airport weather station run by BOM. Unfortunately I would be able to get the photo only in about 12 hours as it is on a camera at home, if I don't get data from BOM by then I could upload it to commons and add to the story (assumng the weatherzone source is not enough and BOM does not provide a complete data set with 10 minute update interval - I just sent them an email and gave them a call about this. I find it strange that they do not have it on their own website but I think the information is accurate.). Gryllida (talk) 23:44, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Also it doesn’t seem that bad when I am lucky when it is 46c in the shade. AZOperator (talk) 01:25, 20 March 2018 (UTC) AZOperator (talk) 01:25, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

 * The second chart lists hundredths of a degree, but those digits on the source page aren't part of the temperature, they're in italics (it's hard to see) and are the day of the month. --Pi zero (talk) 21:00, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * fixing it now. Gryllida (talk) 21:30, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Review of revision 4391433 [Not ready]
These should all be fixed now. Mail with extra data sent to scoop. Gryllida (talk) 03:22, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll ping here because I don't have access to scoop. Also, it's my bedtime. --SVTCobra 03:26, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * File:2018.03.18 Sydney-t.png is based on temperatures measured at the airport? --SVTCobra 17:06, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. It is data BOM provided in a spreadsheet for the Sydney AP weather station. Gryllida (talk) 20:33, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

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How does "Hottest autumn day in 25 years" sound instead of "Third hottest autumn day in 78"? --SVTCobra 13:27, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Renamed, updated lede. Gryllida (talk) 20:35, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I have a problem with this statement: "As a result of the hot temperatures, an out-of-control bushfire appeared in Tarraganda and Tathra". Surely, temperatures were not so hot that things spontaneously combust into flames. Fires don't just 'appear' ... hot weather and low humidity contribute to the combustablity of the bush and grass, but this ought to be rephrased. --SVTCobra 21:16, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Reworded to "On the hot Sunday, an out-of-control bushfire took place in Tarraganda and Tathra near Bega" Gryllida (talk) 21:47, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Wow, sorry for being so terrible at math. I wish 1983 was 25 years ago. --SVTCobra 21:16, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh. Yes. Smiley.svg (The edit summary notification appears to work. Woo.) Gryllida (talk) 22:15, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Review of revision 4391947 [Not ready]

 * Original reporting present with fresh data 03:22, 20 March 2018. Gryllida (talk) 10:30, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * In that case, the new development has to be focal point. Besides, I don’t see OR notes or OR template. 103.254.128.130 (talk) 12:25, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Something was reportedly sent to scoop, though I am not sure what. --SVTCobra 12:55, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * SVTCobra data for the temperature plot for the day. it is not available in any published sources online and I got it by emailing BOM Gryllida (talk) 18:31, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * SVTCobra I have now emailed it to you via special email user at meta wiki. Gryllida (talk) 18:42, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Direct-quoting a source
We particularly disallow direct-quoting a source, except in the rare case a source becomes part of the story. So I reckon the direct quote from Weatherzone is going to have to go. --Pi zero (talk) 19:09, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * A rephrasing to "The present record occurred on March 18, more than a week later than the 1965 and 1983 records that had happened on the March 6 and March 9 respectively, according to the climate data published online at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology website." could be considered. Gryllida (talk) 20:29, 22 March 2018 (UTC)


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local function getDaysInMonth(month, year) local days_in_month = { 31, 28, 31, 30, 31, 30, 31, 31, 30, 31, 30, 31 } local d = days_in_month[month] -- check for leap year if month == 2 then if math.mod(year,4) == 0 then if math.mod(year,100) == 0 then if math.mod(year,400) == 0 then d = 29 end else d = 29 end end end

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local function getFirstDayTimestamp(year, month, day) return os.time({ year = year, month = month, day = day, hour = 0 }) end

local function getLastDayTimestamp(year, month, day) return os.time({ year = year, month = month, day = day, hour = 23, min = 59, sec = 59 }) end

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local function arrayToText(array) if #array == 0 then return "" end local text = array[1] for i = 2, #array do text = text .. "," .. array[i] end return text end

function p.ical(frame, year, month, locations, tags) local args = frame:getParent.args local today = os.date("*t") local timestamp = getFirstTimestamp(month, year, false) local last_timestamp = timestamp + 300000000 local data = mw.text.jsonDecode(frame:expandTemplate{ title = ':Events calendar/events.json', args = {} }) data = dateFilter(data, timestamp, last_timestamp) data = tagFilter(data, tags) data = locationFilter(data, locations) local content = "BEGIN:VCALENDAR" .. "\r\nVERSION:2.0" .. "\r\nPRODID:-//Mozilla.org/NONSGML Mozilla Calendar V1.1//EN" .. "\r\nX-WR-CALNAME:" .. ( args.title == nil and "Wikimedia events" or args.title ) for _,value in pairs(data) do content = content .. "\r\nBEGIN:VEVENT" .. "\r\nCREATED:" .. os.date("%Y%m%dT%H%M%SZ", value.dtcreated) .. "\r\nLAST-MODIFIED:" .. os.date("%Y%m%dT%H%M%SZ", value.dtmodified) .. "\r\nDTSTAMP:" .. os.date("%Y%m%dT%H%M%SZ", value.dtmodified) .. "\r\nUID:" .. value.id .. "\r\nSUMMARY:" .. value.title if value.description ~= nil then content = content .. "\r\nDESCRIPTION:" .. value.description end if value.tags ~= nil then content = content .. "\r\nCATEGORIES:" .. arrayToText(value.tags) end if value.location ~= nil then content = content .. "\r\nLOCATION:" .. arrayToText(value.location) end if value.link ~= nil then if mw.ustring.find(value.link, 'https?://') == 1 then content = content .. "\r\nURL:" .. mw.text.encode(value.link) else content = content .. "\r\nURL:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/" .. mw.text.encode(value.link) end end content = content .. "\r\nDTSTART:" .. os.date("%Y%m%dT%H%M%SZ", value.dtstart) .. "\r\nDTEND:" .. os.date("%Y%m%dT%H%M%SZ", value.dtend) .. "\r\nEND:VEVENT" end content = content .. "\r\nEND:VCALENDAR" return content end

function p.grid(frame, year, month, locations, tags) local args = frame:getParent.args local today = os.date("*t") local timestamp = getFirstTimestamp(month, year, true) local last_timestamp = getLastTimestamp(month, year, true) local data = mw.text.jsonDecode(frame:expandTemplate{ title = ':Events calendar/events.json', args = {} }) data = dateFilter(data, timestamp, last_timestamp) data = tagFilter(data, tags) data = locationFilter(data, locations) local grid_content = "" while timestamp < last_timestamp do		local line_content = "" for i=1,7 do			local current_date = os.date("*t", timestamp) local events = formatEvents( dateFilter(data, getFirstDayTimestamp(current_date.year, current_date.month, current_date.day), getLastDayTimestamp(current_date.year, current_date.month, current_date.day)), true ) local is_today = current_date.month == today.month and current_date.day == today.day and "yes" or "" local is_grey = current_date.month ~= tonumber(month) and "yes" or "" line_content = line_content .. frame:expandTemplate{ title = 'Events calendar/Table-cell grid', args = { day = current_date.day, event = events, grey = is_grey, today = is_today } } timestamp = timestamp + 86400 end grid_content = grid_content .. frame:expandTemplate{ title = 'Events calendar/Table-line grid', args = {cells = line_content} } end return frame:expandTemplate{ title = 'Events calendar/Table grid', args = {lines = grid_content, monday=lang:formatDate( "l", "20010101000000", false), tuesday=lang:formatDate( "l", "20010102000000", false), wednesday=lang:formatDate( "l", "20010103000000", false), thursday=lang:formatDate( "l", "20010104000000", false), friday=lang:formatDate( "l", "20010105000000", false), saturday=lang:formatDate( "l", "20010106000000", false), sunday=lang:formatDate( "l", "20010107000000", false)} } end

function p.list(frame, year, month, locations, tags) local args = frame:getParent.args local today = os.date("*t") local timestamp = getFirstTimestamp(month, year, false) local last_timestamp = getLastTimestamp(month, year, false) local data = mw.text.jsonDecode(frame:expandTemplate{ title = ':Events calendar/events.json', args = {} }) data = dateFilter(data, timestamp, last_timestamp) data = tagFilter(data, tags) data = locationFilter(data, locations) local list_content = "" while timestamp < last_timestamp do		local current_date = os.date("*t", timestamp) local events = dateFilter(data, getFirstDayTimestamp(current_date.year, current_date.month, current_date.day), getLastDayTimestamp(current_date.year, current_date.month, current_date.day)) if #events ~= 0 then local is_today = current_date.month == today.month and current_date.day == today.day and "yes" or "" list_content = list_content .. frame:expandTemplate{ title = 'Events calendar/Table-line list', args = { day = lang:formatDate( "l d", os.date("%Y%m%d000000", timestamp), false), events = formatEvents(events, false), today = is_today } } end timestamp = timestamp + 86400 end return frame:expandTemplate{ title = 'Events calendar/Table list', args = {lines = list_content} } end

function p.map(frame, year, month, locations, tags) local args = frame:getParent.args local today = os.date("*t") local data = mw.text.jsonDecode(frame:expandTemplate{ title = ':Events calendar/events.json', args = {} }) data = dateFilter(data, getFirstTimestamp(month, year, false), getLastTimestamp(month, year, false)) data = tagFilter(data, tags) data = locationFilter(data, locations) data = geolocFilter(data) if #data == 0 then return frame:extensionTag("mapframe", "", {width = "980", height = "500", align = "center", frameless = "", zoom = 2, latitude = 32, longitude = 5 }) end local geojson = { type = "FeatureCollection", features = {} }	local first_timestamp_of_today = getFirstDayTimestamp(today.year, today.month, today.day) local last_timestamp_of_today = getLastDayTimestamp(today.year, today.month, today.day) for _,value in pairs(data) do		local title = value.title if value.link ~= nil and value.link ~= "" then if mw.ustring.find(value.link, 'https?://') == 1 then title = "" .. value.title .. "" else title = "" .. value.title .. "" end end local properties = { title = title, description = " " .. lang:formatDate( "l d F - H:i", os.date("%Y%m%d%H%M00", value.dtstart), false) .. " " .. value.description, }		properties["marker-color"] = "#e23131" if value.dtend < first_timestamp_of_today then properties["marker-color"] = "#555555" elseif value.dtstart > last_timestamp_of_today then properties["marker-color"] = "#6d9ce8" end table.insert(geojson.features, {	       type = "Feature",	        properties = properties,	        geometry = {	            type = "Point",	            coordinates = {	            	tonumber(value.geoloc.lng), 	            	tonumber(value.geoloc.lat),	            }	        }	    }) end return frame:extensionTag("mapframe", mw.text.jsonEncode(geojson), {width = "980", height = "500", align = "center", frameless = ""}) end

function p.calendar(frame) local args = frame:getParent.args local display = args.display local lang_code = args.lang == nil and "en" or args.lang local year = args.year == nil and os.date("%Y") or args.year local month = args.month == nil and os.date("%m") or args.month local locations = (args.locations == nil or args.locations == "") and {} or mw.text.split( args.locations, ",", true ) local tags = (args.tags == nil or args.tags == "") and {} or mw.text.split( args.tags, ",", true ) lang = mw.language.new( lang_code ) local content = "" if display == "ical" then return p.ical(frame, year, month, locations, tags) elseif display == "list" then content = p.list(frame, year, month, locations, tags) elseif display == "map" then content = p.map(frame, year, month, locations, tags) else display = "grid" content = p.grid(frame, year, month, locations, tags) end local container_args = {} container_args["class"] = "events-calendar" container_args["data-display"] = display container_args["data-lang"] = lang_code container_args["data-year"] = year container_args["data-month"] = month container_args["data-locations"] = #locations == 0 and "" or args.locations container_args["data-tags"] = #tags == 0 and "" or args.tags return frame:extensionTag('div', frame:expandTemplate{ title = 'Events calendar/Header', args = {month = lang:formatDate( "F", year .. string.format("%02d", tonumber(month)) .. "01000000", false ), year = year} } .. content .. frame:expandTemplate{ title = 'Events calendar/Button', args = {} }, container_args) end

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Talk:Vladimir Putin wins fourth term as President of Russia

Notes to reviewer
The last sentence mentions that Russian presidential terms were 4 years but now 6, and also, mention Medvedev. Same with Putin and United Russia. I don't think this is specifically in any of the sources. I will, however, assert these are indisputable historical facts and don't need a source. Next, I want to point out that the CEC source is in Russian, but the only thing I used it for was to confirm the % numbers from the media were accurate and, luckily, the CEC had this nice page for just that. I tried really hard on keeping NPOV for this. Thanks for your time. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:26, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The practical question is, can a reviewer verify the information. The classic example of obvious information that doesn't need to be sourced, "Paris is in France", is something the reviewer is (when that example is used) presumed to already know, and in the unlikely case that they don't already know, it's trivially easy for them to verify in ways that simply could not realistically fail.  If you're asking a reviewer to go out and do nontrivial research to verify your assertions, you've left out something that should be there.  --Pi zero (talk) 01:40, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess, it is a matter of what is trivial. Maybe I have followed Russian politics more than most and this is (for me) common knowledge. I am not allowed to point to Wikipedia as a source. And if I add this from 2012, it only answers a tiny bit of the "common knowledge". I suppose I can add this from the History Channel but they also put out so many garbage reality shows now that I don't know if they can be called reliable anymore. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:57, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I added from Biography dot com. --SVTCobra 02:06, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

NPOV missing -or- Misrepresenting a Nonelection?
While the article details seem to be factually correct, I doubt the NPOV here, because all cricitsm of this so called election, including that in the sources listed, is smoothed out, neglected or faded into 'some background noise'. Russia's most popular opposition politician Alexei Navalny had been excluded and a communist candidate was vilified by state-run media. from the BBC article is somewhat relevant to the reader when it comes to evaluating how much of a real election this was. The OSCE statement, which I watched, is highly misrepresented in the short blib it is given in the article, because OSCE spokesperson Michael Georg Link has clearly stated that this was anything but a democratic election that could be considered fair and free, not that "there wasn't a good enough competition". Et Audiatur Altera Pars - the other side also needs to be heard. The WN-article up for review needs to be edited still, to be more than a "nothing to see here, walk on" pro-Putin piece (and then needs to be published before it goes stale). --Gwyndon (talk) 12:06, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree, there's a difficulty here. The most common form of bias we encounter is failure to attribute, but from time to time submissions run into trouble due to misleading omission.  --Pi zero (talk) 13:26, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Navalny was never the most popular opposition candidate. He was the West's favorite candidate, but he never garnered more than 3% in any opinion poll. The most popular opposition candidates were always Grudinin (Communist) and Zhirinovsky (Ultra-nationalist). I left out Navalny, mainly, because he was irrelevant in the broader scheme, and to mention he was disallowed opens a pandora's box where it becomes necessary to explain why, which is the fraud case, but then one has to go into the extent of whether the fraud case was just trumped up charges or not.
 * State TV's vilification of Grudinin seems to have been ineffective. He was always polling around 7 or 8% but ended up with almost 12% so is it worth mentioning? The ballot stuffing and weirdly high participation of the diaspora seems to have only served one purpose: stroke Putin's ego. It was not to change the outcome, because, like it or not, Putin is very popular in Russia. They like the direction he has taken the country in. Putin, for whatever reason, just wanted to win by a higher percentage than he had previously. What you see as me failing to have NPOV was really me trying to get a NPOV out of Western media. The press hates Putin more than anyone because of the lousy track record of journalists dying there. Cheers, --SVTCobra 14:14, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It's a right mess, all right. I don't recall when I've encountered an article where neutrality was so elusive.  I'm going to have to meditate deeply on this (and, with dispatch).  --Pi zero (talk) 15:43, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * One important principle here is that if we start arguing about the degree of bogosity of the elections, we've already gone wrong; the Wikinews system is supposed to completely circumvent arguments like that. --Pi zero (talk) 15:47, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Next thought: I'm not at all sure the phrase added to the lede is an improvement; it might even be making things worse.  --Pi zero (talk) 15:50, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It still seems oybvious to me, that the OP here omits anything critical in the sources cited under the article, while only positive or absolving bits are kept. While as someone from the EU I do not think you need to copy or adopt the western POV on Russia, I am still convinced it would help to balance the article to at least mention the critical issues pointed out by any 'western media' given here, without going into an extended round of "he said - he said". "Western media have pointed out that..." / "The BBC in reporting argued, that" would be finde and NPOV in not taking their side, just showing it as well as Putins words. The Mercer article for example mentions Navalny *and* the fraud case without wasting many lines on that - and without leaving a neutral POV. "Is it worth mentioning, when he got some votes anyway?", you ask. I'd say definitely, because any election is (and reporting on it should be) not just about the result but also about the way that result came to pass. Picking a different part of the OSCE statement from the Mercer text points that out clearer, so I'll add that. --Gwyndon (talk) 16:09, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll be interested to see what you add (I'm going to be away for an hour or two). I suspect just a bit of trimming will make the middle of the article work better; the difficulty with the addition to the lede is that it tries to "weigh" what to say, and we should be trying to avoid weighing like that — news has to be something that can be done quickly without getting into these sorts of squabbles, so when the squabbles start a good solution should side-step them.  Imho what the phrase in the lede should be saying is not "marred by irregularities", but rather, it should be saying that there was heavy criticism (or some such words).  We have no business telling the reader how much irregularity to think there was; but it's highly appropriate for us to report that there was criticism.  --Pi zero (talk) 16:25, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * "about the way that result came to pass" - Well, if the state-TV's negative coverage of Grudinin had no measurable effect, how is that part of how the result came to pass? Yes, Mercer is very brief about Navalny but he says "widely regarded as politically motivated." According to who? I can't attribute that to Mercer, since he's clearly relying on something. And we can't just repeat that. --SVTCobra 16:50, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Tried my best to balance the article in a way that the criticism is included, while passing the Navalny ball to WP with the wikified name. In the form last edited by me I'd review NPOV as okay-ish in a topic where every "reliable source" is biased but not necessarily wrong, and where facts aside from numbers are disputed. --Gwyndon (talk) 17:30, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * So it's OK to put a known falsehood (Navalni's popularity) into an article as long as we attribute it to the BBC? Hmm ... --SVTCobra 17:45, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * While I agree with you that any opposition person is not as popular as the president, I also note that this is due to a very tilted playing field, where TV access is granted in very unequal way. Let's not even go to the refusal of Putin to engage in a TV debate, which would have given the opposition more airtime and the people the chance to actually compare. So your "he is not very popular" and the BBC's "the most popular opposition figure" or the WSJ's "the man Putin fears the most" are, while hardly verifiable from here, not mutually exclusive. "the most popular opposition person" can still be "not very popular" as in "not even very well known outside of Moscow and educated circles". It is a known fact that Putin won, but it's news if we report not just his own praise for himself but also the circumstances and the criticism. The wording does not say - or WN:Assume - that the BBC's assessment is true, just that it was made, which is also a fact, and that this has been widely seen, in the free and in the publicly funded media of the west, as one of the reasons why the outcome was so clear from the start (and this not a "free and open election" by OSCE standards). Critics are not quoted any more than the pro-Putin side, which is what I would call, on a global scale, an NPOV representation of this election. Don't you agree at least more (criticism as important news fact) or less (Navalny as a person)? --Gwyndon (talk) 18:18, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I was never comparing Navalny's popularity to Putin, but to Gruinin and Zhirinovsky. See here for data: Early opinion polls --SVTCobra 18:31, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

This sort of dispute is illustrative of one of the fundamental problems with the "balance" approach to neutrality. News production cannot engage in such disputation; there is no time for what could be an arbitrarily protracted foofaraw, and the goal of the exercise is ultimately to insert bias of some favored sort. The line I'm reminded of is "A strange game. The only way to win is not to play." News writing must use an approach to neutrality that works robustly without engagement in such disputes. --Pi zero (talk) 19:18, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Again... POV?
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What news media exactly? From what countries? does Writer assume all the world media agree with England-US-European media POV? What does sources say? --Zerabat (talk) 23:12, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Да, конечно. Это необходимо уточнить. --SVTCobra 23:27, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm don't much like the "improvement"; Western is not well-defined and implies an overismplified political dichotomy Putin might approve. --Pi zero (talk) 00:10, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it is unfair to suggest all non-Russian media agrees. Unless we want to name specific outlets, I don't see an easy way around it. --SVTCobra 00:24, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think that's a plausible interpretation of the words. "Foreign news media have been heavily critical" doesn't mean every foreign outlet has been critical.  If it did mean that, then changing "Foreign" to "Western" would not help, since there's no possible way to verify that every "western" media outlet has been critical, even if it were true (which I don't believe), even if it were possible to say exactly which news sources are "western" (which it isn't).  I'm not saying there isn't a problem, but as with the earlier "NPOV" objections, the problem may not match the objection...  --Pi zero (talk) 00:34, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Could the original wording have been better? I imagine so; perfection is hard to find.  In reviewing this I was likely distracted by other factors; if I'd examined this point more closely then, or if the issue had been raised while there was still time to address it by editing the article, I might have favored rephrasing to say foreign media reported heavy criticism, or something like that; but that's not about which media were critical, it's about ambiguity in the meaning of the verb "criticize".  I'm not yet convinced the wording is unacceptable, but if you can convince me, then we'll need to issue a correction.  Frankly I think most objections to this article are ultimately due to the Russian propaganda machine seeking to prevent neutral coverage of them (like Trump labeling neutral coverage of him as fake).  --Pi zero (talk) 01:04, 22 March 2018 (UTC)


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Kenyan conservancy euthanises last male northern white rhino; only two females remain

March 21, 2018 Yesterday, Kenya's announced they had  the last male, , on Monday, after consulting with wildlife officials. Sudan was 45-years-old, and now only two northern white rhinos, both female and descendants of Sudan, remain.

"Sudan was being treated for age-related complications that led to degenerative changes in muscles and bones combined with extensive skin wounds", the conservancy said. "His condition worsened significantly in the last 24 hours; he was unable to stand up and was suffering a great deal", they added.

Sudan, who was born in the early 1970s, suffered a wound in his right hind leg in late February. He was born in South Sudan, and at that time around 700 northern white rhinos were alive.

Sudan was in captivity for the last 38 years. Earlier, he was kept at the in Czech Republic before he was moved to Kenya. He stayed in a 90 thousand acre (about 140 square mile, 364 square kilometre) reserve with the only two remaining female northern white rhinos, 27-year-old Najin and seventeen-year-old Fatu. Najin and Fatu are Sudan's daughter and granddaughter, respectively.

Ol Pejeta said they collected Sudan's genetic material on Monday. The conservancy said, "The only hope for the preservation of the now lies in developing  techniques using eggs from the two remaining females, stored northern white rhino semen from males and surrogate  females."

Last year, an account was opened on dating platform on Sudan's behalf, to raise money for a fertility treatment after attempts at natural mating proved futile. Suni, second to last male of the subspecies, died four years ago, in October 2014 in San Diego, US. He was 42.

Ol Pejeta's CEO, Richard Vigne, said Sudan "was a great ambassador for his species and will be remembered for the work he did to raise awareness globally on the plight facing not only rhinos, but also the many thousands of other species facing extinction as a result of unstable human activity".

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3-20-18 Davidhaw: I don't know the proper format but can someone change the title from Kenyan conservancy announces euthanising last make northern white rhino; only two females of the subspecies remain to from Kenyan conservancy announces euthanising last male northern white rhino; only two females of the subspecies remain

3-02-2018 6:06 PM UTC I fixed the first post to keep the euthanizing the same but make still needs to be male

Temporal references
Regarding this edit, I thought we avoided words like 'today' and 'yesterday' in favor of more absolute terms. Cheers, --SVTCobra 21:25, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The style guide calls for "today" and "yesterday", relative to the date of publication. However,
 * When writing an article, it's best to either just use a weekday, leaving it for a reviewer to put in today/yesterday if they review it in time and remember; or to use today/yesterday immediately followed by an html comment with the weekday, so it's clear to a reviewer what was meant (and that also helps with makelead after publication).
 * In the lead templates on the main page, avoid today/yesterday in favor of weekday names, as there the text no longer appears strictly under its date of publication.
 * --Pi zero (talk) 21:33, 21 March 2018 (UTC)


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Uber suspends self-driving car program after pedestrian death in Arizona, United States

March 21, 2018 On Monday, the United States ride-sharing company Uber announced suspension of its experimental program after one of the cars fatally struck a 49-year-old woman pedestrian in, Arizona on Sunday night.

The company characterized the suspension of the program — in the Phoenix area and also in ; ; and, — as a standard response in the wake of the accident. Uber released a statement that "Our hearts go out to the victim’s family. We are fully cooperating with local authorities in their investigation of this incident." According to a spokeswoman, the company is also conducting its own investigation. It was reportedly the first time someone died in an incident involving a self-driving car.

Elaine Herzberg was hit at about 10 pm ( -7) on Sunday when she walked into the street with her bicycle about 100 yards or less from a. She died later in hospital. The car was operating autonomously. Sylvia Moir, chief of, told the  that according to the human operator in the vehicle — Rafaela Vasquez, 44 — "it was like a flash", there was no time to override the computer to take evasive action, the first indication was the sound of impact.

The police stated the car was three miles per hour (mph) over a speed limit of 35 mph. According to Moir, recordings from the car's video cameras indicated it would have been "difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode". Moir told the San Francisco Chronicle that while she "[wouldn't] rule out the potential to file charges" against Vasquez, "preliminarily it appears that the Uber would likely not be at fault in this accident".

Uber started its Arizona self-driving test program in February 2017, using vehicles that had been banned in California due to safety concerns. The next month one was involved in a collision while in self-driving mode after another car failed to yield the right of way; the Uber rolled on its side.


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 * Thank you! I notice the photo still isn't visibly credited to the Commons photographer; I left my failed attempt at using the credit template commented out. How is that done? Yngvadottir (talk) 02:22, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Done, you can see what I did from the diff. --Pi zero (talk) 02:25, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you. I've got used to using the curly brackets here rather than the straight ones, turned out to be the problem. Yngvadottir (talk) 02:30, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the review as well, that was quick. Gryllida (talk) 02:40, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I did not have a chance to read this until this morning and I've passed this area hundreds of times seeing these cars in action, so just a few thoughts. (1) It says nothing about the investigation by the National Traffic Safety Board and FBI. (2) The location where she was hit is a 40mph zone but is difficult to determine since it comes of the bridge which is a 35 and reduces down to 25 as you get closer to the university. (3) The other unusual part is the vehicle was in the far right lane of a three lane street where she was in the median, the bike landing on the sidewalk. (4) The location is about 100 meters from the Marquee Theatre which houses moderately large concerts. (5) The vehicle was swerving. (5) The backup driver has a criminal record of attempted armed robbery. (6) The general area where she was hit is the most pedestrian rich area in Phoenix. (7) It is the first fatality for a driverless vehicle. (8) The woman was homeless with a substance abuse problem, and inhabits the Tempe Town Lake park during the day, then crosses the bridge to sleep under it - the gates to the park are locked every night. AZOperator (talk) 16:56, 21 March 2018 (UTC) <-sorry forgot that.
 * I've tried to ping you by linking to your user name on the Opinions page for this story, but Liquid Threads did not oblige (and wouldn't let me preview to check). I'm sorry, I checked for an existing story in progress on the accident before writing up this story on the next day event; as such I didn't say as much about the accident victim as I would have in an article focused on the accident. I now see the Bloomberg source you used in US: Driverless vehicle kills homeless woman has the alternate name for the vehicle operator, and that the operator's past conviction is in that and another of your sources, but I don't see any of your info above about speed limits and heavy pedestrian use of that stretch of road in the cited sources. You would have needed to write it up as a story including original reporting, with notes on the Collaboration page or sent to the Scoop e-mail address. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:44, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

like I said it is just a few thoughts. I can understand the hesitation regarding the pedestrian traffic and speed limits, that comes from my own knowledge of the area. However, I think there is an opportunity for a followup article since the NTSB and the FBI are investigating for the rest of the week, according to last nights local news. It also appears Intel have pulled their vehicles too, but again under personal observation. They also said it is possibly the most documented vehicular collision in US history - but that is a bit subjective. Politicians and others are chiming in on this as the days go.

However I would really like to see the acknowledgement of this collision marked the first fatality with a driverless vehicle - that is insanely important. I have written for the IEEE about technological proliferation and danger it poses, with Elon Musk pushing the same concepts - the engineering world is looking at this heavily. I am open to any ideas. AZOperator (talk) 16:56, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * This site requires a story focus on one event written up by two different sources; I suggest you wait until there's a further development such as an advisory report, or else use the governor's clarification of rules mentioned in at least one of your sources, and write a follow-up story. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:03, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * A modest edit to the article, such as to inject somewhere that its' the first fatality with a driverless vehicle, could be done at this point, since the article was published only about 12 hours ago and our cut-off for substantive changes is 24 hours post-publish (which includes time for a reviewer to process the submitted edit). --Pi zero (talk) 18:13, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I would endorse idea. That is the defining characteristic of this story. All over the US people walk out in front of cars all the time and get killed - excepts this time Iron Man's Jarvis is the driver and took part in a death race. It probably was a little to soon to say that, but you get my drift. AZOperator (talk) 19:16, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, I added a sentence. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:25, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * ,, I just saw the video from the forward camera. She should have been picked up on the night vision, heat signature, and the lasers. Even though I am slightly drunk at the moment, it does appear the software failed and the backup driver is distracted. So you can make your own judgement here: Click Here. AZOperator (talk) 00:20, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Why is this discussion on the talk page, which is for discussion of the writing of the article? It seems more like discussion of the story, which is what the opinions page is for.  --Pi zero (talk) 00:25, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * , slightly more drunk, but I think the actual video is content. AZOperator (talk) 00:40, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't see it being proposed to add to the article. Still seems to me to be presented as discussion of the story, not discussion of how to write the article.  We're pretty much out of time for substantive edits to the article, iirc.  --Pi zero (talk) 00:47, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, someway or another there is going to be a follow-up. What that is, we won't know yet. Toss it into that when the time comes. As for the discussion, I will place it there for all to see. If pictures speak a thousand words, then that video only seconds long should speak volumes. AZOperator (talk) 01:28, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * How many words a picture is worth depends on the picture, and the words. --Pi zero (talk) 01:38, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Well put. AZOperator (talk) 02:19, 22 March 2018 (UTC) AZOperator (talk) 02:19, 22 March 2018 (UTC)


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I would say the car was speeding. It needed to move slower. The speed limits are maximum but the drivers need to make conscious decisions and drive to conditions. If it was dark the car needed to go way slower (the SI units for this were 61km/h or so). The above materials are mandatory read for all Sydney drivers before obtaining a non-learner driving permit.
 * "If road conditions are less than ideal, for example rain, heavy traffic, night time etc, you may be speeding even if you’re driving at or below the posted speed limit" http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/licence/documents-forms.html#RoadUsers%27Handbook
 * "Research shows that speeding is more common at night, particularly by inexperienced drivers. This may be due to having fewer indicators of how fast you are going when it is dark. It is harder to see how quickly objects like trees and poles flash by." http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/licence/documents-forms.html#HazardPerceptionHandbook
 * "Unfortunately, not all cyclists know or obey the road rules. You may even find cyclists riding against the traffic, riding through red traffic lights and riding without lights at night. This means that your scanning needs to be constant and careful when driving in daylight or darkness." http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/licence/documents-forms.html#HazardPerceptionHandbook

I would personally suggest to hold the driver responsible for this not only the self driving car technology.


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Yes, I wondered about that, but while specifically not excluding the option of filing charges against the operator in the future, the chief of police went on to warn pedestrians against crossing where there is no crosswalk. I'm aware that cities in the US vary in their tolerance of that; in some places it's quite common for pedestrians crossing against a traffic light or in mid-block to be ticketed, whereas at least one state, California, requires vehicles to stop when a pedestrian is crossing the street regardless of where or when. Also, tolerance of slight speeding varies from one jurisdiction to another; in some places drivers can be ticketed for driving at less than the prevailing speed while that speed may well be a traditional 5 mph above the posted limit. However, a crucial element here is that the car was in autonomous mode. I presume that means the computer chose the speed. For it to be traveling at higher than the speed limit, after dark, raises a red flag in my mind concerning its programming; quite apart from the failure to program in an appropriate response to a pedestrian darting into the road. Next time it could be a little kid chasing a ball in broad daylight.


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Proposal for a grant
I suggest that we submit a quarterly process grant as either an ad hoc group or a reconstituted Wikinewsie Group. This would fund proper channels for communicating with sources including: setting up a Tor-accesible .onion site with SecureDrop, an independent phone number for tips and leads, and reinvigorating the proper Wikinewsie site on the open Web, all to do outreach to whistleblowers and citizen journalists. For what it's worth, I have some experience writing grants. as the members of The Wikinewsie Group on Meta. Thoughts? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:53, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Executive summary: Although, if anything is attempted in future with the Wikinewsie Group, I would probably wish to continue my involvement in it — and if involved I would do my best to help it succeed — I believe only heartache and misery, and loss of project independence and destruction of news values, would come of asking the Foundation to get more involved in the operation of Wikinews, such as providing grant money or seeking affiliated status. Explanation: First, regarding the Foundation's ideological stance on news... I thought, when I first came to Wikinews, the oldtimers here seemed kind of paranoid about the Foundation.  After I'd learned some of the history, for a while I used to say the Foundation wouldn't lift a finger to help us, but then the Wikinewsie Group experience went by, and after that I started saying that the Foundation would go out of their way to avoid doing anything that might risk helping us.  That seems an inadequate characterization, though.  How about this: The Foundation, collectively as an institution, is fundamentally opposed to news values, and afaict always has been.  I don't know how to elaborate on that without getting bogged down, but there it is.  We can and, I maintain, should move forward within the sisterhood, but we need to avoid letting the Foundation shape our ideology. Ever since the Wikinewsie Group episode ended, I have been mostly holding my tongue about it, because it simply didn't seem worth raising a fuss over.  However, now that you're raising the subject again, I feel I owe you an explanation of where I'm coming from on this.  When Laura Hale came here and wanted to try to set up a separate NGO for Wikinews, name chosen The Wikinewsie Group, and apply to the Foundation to grant it affiliated status, en.wn oldtimers were cynical about her chances of success, but we sincerely wished her luck and tried to be generally supportive and not let our cynicism interfere with her efforts.  Here's my current understanding of that episode.  The Board was just opening up affiliation to thematic groups (rather than just regional ones), and Laura hoped the Wikinewsie Group could be the first thematic group to get affiliation.  Part of the purpose of AffCom (Affiliations Committee) is to help insulate affiliation decisions from the politics of the Board of Trustees; and after some months, AffCom came to a decision and recommended granting affiliation to the Wikinewsie Group.  And the Board of Trustees said no.  (Even the way the Board went about it came across as nefarious, though I don't recall the details off hand.)  My immediate reaction was only disappointment; after all, I'd been skeptical of the chances from the start.  Maybe I was quite disappointed, because I'd allowed myself to become hopeful with AffCom's recommendation.  The Foundation uttered some of what I thought of as disingenuous pious mouthings about how we could do this-that-and-the-other for a while to allay the Foundation's concerns, but I didn't for a moment take any of it seriously; the Foundation had already wasted months of our time and effort on something they would never have seriously considered, and intervened politically — exactly what AffCom was there to avoid — to prevent affiliation, and they would continue to do so if we were silly enough to waste more time and effort trying to satisfy them.  Mind, this is when I was only moderately annoyed at them.  My feelings got stronger later, because of an epilog.  After the superprotect incident I decided to be a bit more visible in the community at Meta, figuring my ideas about how to enhance the sisterhood would do nobody else any good if I didn't share them; and at some point I alluded to my dissatisfaction with the way the Wikinewsie Group thing had come out, which apparently got around and I received a message from a member of the Board, providing reasons for their decision.  Now, here I made a mistake that I kick myself for:  I allowed myself to be drawn into addressing the reasons provided.  I can only excuse myself by noting that the reasons given weren't sound, and thus made natural targets for criticism; but of course the correct response would have been that all of those things had been carefully considered by AffCom, whose job is to consider such things in detail, over a period of months.  So I'd let myself be distracted by political nonsense; and while I'm annoyed with myself for letting myself be distracted, I was even more annoyed, after mulling over that final incident for a while, by the likelihood that the purpose of that message to me from a Board member was (unconsciously, I hope) to protect the Board from suspicions of political motivation for an action that, frankly, was politically motivated.  Politics at its most repulsive. The other major initiative here, which I've been pursuing, is the development of interactive wiki markup and its use to vastly expand the wiki experience.  I mention that here because when I first started working on that (about five years ago?), the first thing I decided was that it had to be done as a javascript gadget because anything that required Foundation approval would, on one hand, be sunk under the added burden and unwieldiness of the approval process, and on the other hand, would not be allowed to go forward unless its ideological foundations were first eviscerated.  --Pi zero (talk) 16:15, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Interesting list of priorities.
 * "setting up a Tor-accesible .onion site with SecureDrop" - there is an internal Wikinewsie wiki for accredited reporters wishing to work on sensitive topics.
 * "an independent phone number for tips and leads" -- There is an independent email address, scoop at wikinewsie dot org, where tips and leads may already be delivered. I'd see some merit in having a phone number after the email capacity is exhausted, there are breaking news with urgent fresh developments, perhaps this is not yet the case. That could be valuable after some technical work to accommodate for larger authoring and reviewing volume. (More below.)
 * "all to do outreach to whistleblowers and citizen journalists" - that could be valuable after some technical work to accommodate for larger authoring and reviewing volume. (More below.)
 * On the required technical work: As Wikinews is used for a students class, it already gets a large influx of newcomers regularly, particularly towards the end of their semester; they make common formatting, article structure and style mistakes. The way the website works at present does not allow to notify newcomers of these mistakes. Furthermore it is possible to see the inability of reviewers to cope with increased reviewing load efficiently because they need to perform some tasks by hand -- such as plagiarism check, sources check, formatting fixes, communication to all involved authors, article tagging and deletion of abandoned articles -- which are distracting, laborious, and lengthy. This may suggest that the website functionality may be a bottleneck that may need to be addressed earlier rather than later.
 * Drawing from past discussions that learning curve is steep and barely supported, and that reviewing is currently tedious. There are various efforts contributors put into this. Pi zero is working on dialog tools that allow making wizards using wiki markup. User:Gryllida/Tasks is a list of technical tasks that I'm working on as I think they may be useful for the site in long term; I am writing them in JavaScript also hoping that their codes may be reused for writing new interfaces and codes such as in Dialog tools or in toolbar buttons for other article editors different from the ancient plain text editing box.
 * Hope this helps. If some priorities are agreed on, volunteer effort or grant seeking may be considered. But priorities need to be agreed on first and their exact implementations need to also be defined. --Gryllida 10:45, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * If I may still add something: I think the reviewing process works in general too slow here, at least for the moment (some of the possible reasons are named hereabove). As a result, many articles fail to be published because the news item has already become stale before the review process is completed. This makes it practically impossible for unexperienced writers who still have to learn important things (such as how "focus", "lede" etc. are exactly defined here) to get their own articles published. De Wikischim (talk) 10:54, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. There is this hypothesis that facilitating some of the reviewing tasks by creating the correct tools may make the reviewing more efficient. Not only that, but perhaps the efficiency increase may be significant, by a few times. This could also attract new reviewers who would otherwise find the process too daunting. (A click or two for plagiarism check is less intimidating than copy-pasting URLs of the wiki page and of the external source into a plagiarism check page by hand, for instance; I've personally found that encouraging.) --Gryllida 20:33, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Freshness: 3 or 4 days at most?
Question: is the actual standard criterion which applies here for freshness for a news article 3 or 4 full days after the "focal event" has happened? I thought I read earlier that 4 days was still allowable. Yet I get the impression that news items are already withheld from being published when they are older than 3 days. De Wikischim (talk) 09:21, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

 * From the Content guide, "Ensure your reporting is timely and the story is at most a week old with new information come to light in the last 2–3 days. Facts don't cease to be facts, but news ceases to be news." The content guide is the Wikinews policy on the matter. —mikemoral (talk · contribs) 09:36, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Sergey Medvedev
A Russian national has been arrested by the name Sergey Medvedev, in Thailand, in possession of 100,000 bitcoin, current value nearly $1 billion American, easily the largest lump of cash ever taken in an international raid of any sort, to my knowledge. So far I can't find indication of kinship to Dmitry Medvedev. He is evidently not the son. And I have to assume no article has been written about him, since my search landed me on Dmitry's dabpage. I have never written or collaborated on an article in Wikinews, but I can copy/paste the info I have so far here, if that is appropriate. If someone wants to take that info and "wikify" it, that would probably make more sense than for me to try to learn all the nuances on the fly. Ragityman (talk) 11:43, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Infraud is the organization, Mr. Medvedev second in command to a Mr. Bondarenko, also a Russian national. Billed as "one-stop shopping for internet criminals". —Rags
 * Corrected the name. Wikisource has featured a series of busts on grand jury indictment out of Las Vegas by the Justice Dept and various int'l agencies.  I've been reading several of the WN "Collaboration" pages, and I now have an idea of my blunder.  Sorry.  I'm more of a gnome, and Wikinews doesn't seem to have much use for gnomes.  —Rags
 * Hello, thanks for bringing this up. According to  and  Sergey Medvedev was arrested on or before the 10th of February so you would have to find another event to write about which may or may not be related to Mr Sergey. Please be aware that events must be 3 or fewer days old at the time of publication, including the time it takes for the story to be reviewed, revised, re-reviewed, and published.
 * The time you have a recent event to write about, here are Wikinews article title rules and guidelines. Please check them and then get started:  The template for citing sources is explained here. More details: Writing an article. Your article will me marked as a draft, and volunteers may help you finish it if they can prior to submitting it for review. --Gryllida 10:17, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Tnx for getting back to me. Yes, I think we'll be hearing a lot more about this, so I may give it a go.  It's a bit hard for me to be quite so prompt in reacting to a story, as I barely follow the news, but it could happen.  If someone else decides to follow up before I do, I won't be offended.  So Sergey has been mentioned in the sources you use?  When I read of the Las Vegas defendants, he wasn't on the list, so I thought immediately of a Medvedev cover-up.  But it's a different prosecutor, so it may be an entirely different case, though still involving INFRAUD.  The WP article is written entirely in past-tense, as if old news, but as all are "innocent til proven", I intend to propose changing that.  I'm just a bit slow-moving for WIKINEWS, i think.  More of a gnome, after the fact.  But thanks bor the ref/cites.  Cheers!  Ragityman (talk) 12: 33, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I think I will copy/paste this discussion to my WN talkpage for future reference, ss it is likely to be archived or deleted from the Water Cooler before I have need of it. That may be in the far distsnt future.  If that is inappropriate, or if I run afoul of other cnventions and customs here, please let me know.  A ping  as above  will reach me sooner than an email.  Thanks.  Ragityman (talk) 13:02, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

"Freshness" vs. older articles on front page
Chinese Foreign Ministry confirms arrest of bookseller Gui Minhai still appears on the front page, but with 8 February as main date. This can't be called fresh at all anymore, can it? How is this well compatible with the general policy here on "freshness"? And does it really make such a big difference whether a news event is, let's say, 3 or 4 days old when an article here is published? De Wikischim (talk) 10:24, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Both halves of this suggest missing an important aspect of the term freshness as it applies technically on en.wn. Freshness is about the time between event and publication, which bears on the definition of news, coming at it from both the journalistic and wiki sides of our nature.  We produce snapshots in time, which thus capture what things looked like at the time; which cannot be adjudicated after the fact.  Thus, (a) yes, it matters when an article is published, relative to its event, and (b) "freshness", as a term-of-art on en.wn, does not apply as a concept to published articles, only to unpublished ones, thus it's misleading in a technical sense to speak of articles on the main page in terms of how "fresh" they are. Re the underlying time-sensitivity aspect of the question about articles on the main page:  In addition to other functions that are obvious even in times of high output rate, we keep at least ten articles on the main page so that a reasonably broad sample of output is visible at all times.  Learning from examples is at the heart of the way wikis work (a core principle that, alas, the Foundation has failed to understand or they wouldn't be trying to foist a WYSIWYG editor on us).  In times of low output we delay archiving as necessary in order to keep at least ten articles on the main page, serving as a convenient figure to afford that "reasonably broad sample"; otherwise, articles would be sent to our permanent archives after seven days.  (The main page is set to display iirc up to 20 of our most recent articles; we haven't been in that range lately, but of course that's where we always want to be, with 20 articles on the main page only because there isn't room for more.)  --Pi zero (talk) 12:27, 19 February 2018 (UTC)


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AFAIK in Sydney cars are required to stop regardless of where and when a pedestrian is crossing, but pedestrians are discouraged,by law, to cross within less than 20 meters of a cross walk (even if it does not have zebra).

Personally I had been jaywalking excessively for years, until a point I read some blog post in which the term was given a ridiculing tone (where I learnt what the word meaning was), and then started learning to drive. That allowed me to fully realize that movement of cars are governed by humans, and are error prone. That was also the same time when I was taught the importance of eye contact with other drivers. An interesting experience.

I'd perhaps suggest self driving cars to choose speeds that are below the speed limit (obviously) and reduce it by at least 10 km/h at night (in high pedestrian activity areas, perhaps by far more than that). I'd also encourage holding drivers responsible because if the computer erred in choosing the desired speed, adjusting it needed to be within the human driver control.

Hopefully programmers of the self driving car had logged enough information to at least explain why it was speeding above the nominated speed limit.


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The police chief said it'd be hard for the vehicle to avoid in any mode, i.e., whether it was being operated by the car or by a human driver. I figure that means, any case in which such an accident was avoided would be a statistical outlier — and statistical outliers like that are going to happen with a human operator. Technological "AI" isn't going to produce outliers like that (at least, not in a positive direction).


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I think the officer statement could perhaps be interpreted as 'at this speed, the death would be unavoidable, no-matter who or what was driving'. I doubt he meant 'if a human driver decided to travel at a slow speed then the death would also be inevitable'. Statistical outlier means that statistically the chances of a pedestrian coming there are so low that a majority of drivers would not decide to slow down, perhaps? I could argue that is a signal to improve driver education.


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(To have a conclusive discussion, it could be interesting to obtain the footage from the camera that was present on the car.)


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Apparently they've been concerned about rising numbers of pedestrian deaths in Arizona and are focusing on pedestrian education in response: one of AZOperator|AZOperator's sources for their article on the death led me here.


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I am pretty sure most jurisdictions have laws requiring drivers to stop if a pedestrian is in the roadway. The driver cannot simply laugh, "Ha ha, you are not in the crosswalk. Now I've got you!" and hit them at full speed. The difference in law from place to place is how much of the blame is placed on the driver.


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We are also having issues with wrong-way drivers on the freeways. It seems like every week there is a new one.


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You're not likely to get the footage, AZ usually does not release that kind of information in fatality wreaks. If they were to release anything all you would see is vehicle crossing the bridge up to the point where she is visible in the median.

I'm not convinced about the would have hit her anyway defense. The vehicle has damage to the front bumper, but not enough to jettison the bike into the sidewalk. Remember this is a three lane road with two turn lanes - that is a long distance. Also very well lit. It will be interesting to see.


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United States: Emergency calls from Great Mills High School shooting released

March 30, 2018 released on Monday audio recordings of calls to the emergency phone line made during the March 20 school shooting at  (GMHS) in Maryland, United States. The sheriff's office said the shooter died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. In the shooting incident at GMHS on March 20, according to St. Mary's County Sheriff's Office, Austin Wyatt Rollins, a student at the school, opened fire with a pistol at 7:57 AM  (1157 ); he shot 16-year-old Jaelynn Willey in the head and also wounded another student, identified as 14-year-old Desmond Barnes, with a single shot. Deputy First Class Blaine Gaskill, assigned to the school as a, confronted Rollins within three minutes of the first shot. Gaskill fired at Rollins, striking his handgun just as Rollins shot himself in the head. Rollins died later at hospital.

In one of the recordings released, Desmond Barnes made a report to the emergency line, "I was just shot in my school." The dispatcher replied, "I'm sorry?" and Barnes repeated, "I was just shot at my school." The dispatcher then asked, "What school are you at?" and an unidentified female voice interjected, "We're at Great Mills High School. Were you shot sweetie?" to which Barnes responded, "Yes." Barnes was released from hospital on March 21.

Jaelynn Willey initially survived her head wound. However, after two days on life support, her parents held a news conference announcing she was and they chose to discontinue her life support. Willey was declared dead late on the night of March 22.

The sheriff's investigators said Willey and Rollins had been in "a prior relationship which recently ended" and she was not a randomly selected victim. On Saturday, students from GMHS joined a wider demonstration in the United States called the "" which was primarily inspired by February's in Florida.

Students, alumni and teachers from GMHS traveled north to Washington, D.C. to be a part of the march. Kayla Wells, a senior student, said when speaking to Time magazine, "It shouldn't happen again. It shouldn't happen to anyone[...] How did we become so desensitized to shootings happening?"

Marianne Beaulieu, who has been suffering from anxiety since the shooting, said to The Baltimore Sun, "I feel like I'm helping to make a change[...] We need to make Jaelynn's death the last gun violence death in our schools ever."

"I think our group consisted of about 250 people," alumnus and organizer Emerson Schaeffer told television regarding the GMHS numbers in Washington.

"We will march for you, Jaelynn Willey. We will march for all the students of Great Mills who will forever be traumatized because of what happened on Tuesday” Jaclyn Corin, a student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

Back in, a coastal town in about 65  (105 ) from the United States capital, there was a gathering  on Sunday in remembrance of Jaelynn Willey.