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Fifteen states sue United States President Donald Trump for cancelling program for undocumented immigrant minors

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On Wednesday, the of fifteen U.S. states filed a lawsuit against United States President Donald Trump for ending the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals policy, or DACA, which placed a moratorium on the deportation of undocumented immigrants who had come to the U.S. while they were still minors. They argue that Trump's decision to resume deportation was based on racism and therefore illegal and that deporting DACA beneficiaries would harm the economies of their respective states.

The suit reads, in part: "Ending DACA, whose participants are mostly of Mexican origin, is a culmination of President Trump's oft-stated commitments — whether personally held, stated to appease some portion of his constituency, or some combination thereof — to punish and disparage people with Mexican roots." The greatest number of DACA beneficiaries are from Mexico, and the next most common countries of birth are El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras.

According to New York Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman, his state is home to 42,000 DACA participants, also called dreamers, after the DREAM Act, a proposed law that would have made something similar to the DACA program a law rather than an executive policy. "Dreamers play by the rules. Dreamers work hard. Dreamers pay taxes. For most of them, America is the only home they've ever known. And they deserve to stay here," he said. According to the lawsuit, 50 DACA participants are students at, one the most prestigious schools in the U.S.

At the U.S. government's last count, the DACA program covered 787,580 people. It allowed undocumented immigrants who had come to the U.S. under the age of 16 and were no older than 30 in 2012 to apply for temporary federal permits for legal residency, which expire after two years. These in turn allow them to file for work permits and drivers' licenses. It made it much easier for them to attend four-year colleges and for the government to collect income tax. The Trump administration describes this as a phasing out rather than an immediate cancellation. Some DACA participants will be allowed to renew their permits, but only until October and only for participants whose existing permits would expire by next March.

President Trump invited Congress to take action on the dream issue: "We will resolve the DACA issue with heart and compassion — but through the lawful Democratic process — while at the same time ensuring that any immigration reform we adopt provides enduring benefits for the American citizens we were elected to serve," President Trump told the press on Tuesday. "We must also have heart and compassion for unemployed, struggling, and forgotten Americans." Under the new Trump policy, if Congress does not pass a law establishing a program for DACA participants, 300,000 would lose legal status next year.

Washington State Attorney General Bob Ferguson, accompanied by now-adult DACA recipients who work for the state legislature, announced to the press, "It's outrageous, it's not right[...] As attorney general for the state of Washington, I have a hammer, it's the law." Ferguson also sued Donald Trump earlier this year over a travel ban prohibiting people from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the United States.

DACA was not a law but rather an executive policy established by Trump's predecessor, Barack Obama. The U.S. Constitution gives the legislative branch of the government, Congress, the duty of establishing laws but the executive branch, headed by the President, the duty of enforcing them. The DACA program was examined by lawyers from the U.S. Department of Justice in 2014, and they determined then-President Barack Obama did have the authority to decline to enforce existing immigration laws in this way.

The suit was filed by attorneys general from North Carolina, Hawaii, Washington, New York, Illinois, Iowa, Oregon, New Mexico, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Delaware, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Vermont, and Rhode Island and the country's capital, Washington D.C., all of whom are Democrats. The attorney general of California, home to one out of four DACA participants, stated intent through a spokesperson to file a separate lawsuit.


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On Friday, announced they no longer employed journalist, amid sexual misconduct claims against him. Hours later on Friday night, his son Eric Chase Bolling died at the age of 19.

Eric Bolling worked with Fox News for at least ten years and was one of the hosts of the television program .

In August, the network suspended Bolling, when a  journalist Yashar Ali reported that Bolling sent female colleagues lewd text messages. He filed a -million lawsuit against Ali, alleging defamation. On Friday, Fox News announced Bolling had left. They are also cancelling Fox News Specialists.

Hours later, Bolling's son and only child Eric Chase, a sophomore, died at the age of 19. A family friend said the boy would be autopsied as the cause of death is not yet determined. Fox News expressed their condolences as did other journalists, including CNN's.

The late, one of the channel founders, and another journalist were also fired from Fox News following sexual misconduct claims against them.


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Opt-in global sysops?
I've been thinking. We have combated vandalism and done some routine maintenance everyday. Right now, we have very few active admins, yet global sysops are opted-out. Is it okay to allow global admins to edit to just combat vandals and do some routine cleanups? --George Ho (talk) 06:59, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * My instinct is against; Wikinews has its own peculiar considerations, which an outsider could not reasonably be expected to be familiar with. --Pi zero (talk) 11:41, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Everyone's favorite news site
At the risk of excess repetition, I've posted an edited version of my July proposal for "Everyone's favorite news site" to Wikiversity.

I think a next step would be to do a more in-depth comparison of the different language versions of Wikinews. I'd be pleased to hear a discussion of that, either here or on Wikiversity or at the Wikimania conference in Montreal later this week. DavidMCEddy (talk) 07:37, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

 * I have always looked at your proposals with deep worry. Although you did once-upon-a-time publish an article on en.wn (with much help from several reviewers, iirc), I don't think you really have an understanding of what we are achieving here.  This is why I have been desperately trying — for a dreadfully long time now — to scrape up time to try to explain how I see en.wn to you.  I have decided, with Wikimania almost upon us, to change my strategy, and put that writing at the top of my agenda for today, despite all the articles clamoring for attention on the review queue; and instead of trying to write a huge semi-essay on the subject, I'm going to write the first part of such a thing, leaving other aspects of the subject for later.  That will likely make it harder to do the later stuff, because I won't be able to adjust my approach to the earlier stuff as one would when writing a larger essay; but it's become more important to get at least some of it out the door.  I intend to write those comments on my talk page, not here at the policy water cooler; I will, however, offer a few comments here about why I am deeply worried about your proposals, and why I mean to put those comments elsewhere.
 * A key point, in all of this, is what one sees when one looks at en.wn. Factually, in recent times en.wn has been publishing roughly one article per day.  That is neither bad nor good, in any degree: it is just a statistic.  As someone-or-other said (as I recall there's been much discussion over its attribution), there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
 * There is an outspoken set of Wikipedians with blatantly intent toward their sister Wikinews, who look at en.wn and apparently want to see it as failure.  I know from long (and profoundly unpleasant) experience in dealing with those sorts of people that our output doesn't actually matter to their attitude; if we were producing a hundred articles a day, at the same high quality, they would just find some other excuse to claim we were failing (it is, I suggest, absolutely the same phenomenon as the Trump administration labeling anything they don't want to hear as "fake news").
 * I look at the en.wn output and see us doing something roughly once a day that is truly extraordinary, bordering on miraculous — something that significant parts of both the journalistic and wiki worlds have claimed was impossible — an open wiki producing high-quality news. I see it as a stunning success, of truly profound potential for bettering the human condition, and absolutely precious, something that must be preserved, protected — and, of course, scaled up by orders of magnitude, but learning to do that requires keeping the spark alive in the first place.
 * Here can be seen the core of all my reactions to your remarks:
 * why it deeply worries me when you talk about radically changing things when it's not clear that you see what I'm seeing in en.wn's current achievements.
 * why it deeply worries me when you go on about low output (a particular line of BS favored by the sororicidal set).
 * why it deeply worries me when you put this stuff on the policy water cooler (where one discusses major changes) rather than on the proposals water cooler (where one discusses changes within existing policy); and why I'm inclined to post my explanations of en.wn on my user talk page instead of here.
 * why I put such high priority on trying to explain to you my understanding of en.wn.
 * why I've put the past several years (how many? four or five by now, I think) into developing technology to transform our workflow.
 * There are lots of things I could say about your proposals beyond "deep worry", but I don't think any of them would even make sense until after I've explained these other deep considerations I see in the nature of en.wn. --Pi zero (talk) 13:09, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry: I do not understand how the "watch" system works:  I did NOT receive an email from your post, even though I had clicked "Watch this page."  I just adjusted my preferences so I will get more notices.
 * I appreciate your work, and I certainly do not want to disrupt something that is working.
 * My perception of what could be useful is still evolving based on comments from you, User:Pi zero, and others.
 * My proposal consists of multiple parts. The parts other than Wikinews should complement, not conflict, with what you've worked so hard to cultivate and build.  If Wikinews changes at all as a result of my work in this area, it would be because you and the other Wikinewsians saw the benefits.
 * I think a next step would likely be to do some kind of data collection and analysis of the articles and the audience for different language versions of Wikinews. These numbers would be both in absolute numbers and relative to the available potential -- the number of people who regularly use each language -- or some similar metric that you all think makes sense.
 * I think this would be followed and accompanied by a more qualitative discussion / survey of people involved in creating the other language versions of Wikinews. This would lead to a report that would be shared among the different language versions of Wikinews that would at least identify areas of agreement and disagreement over what's important, what works, what doesn't, what should be cultivated, etc.
 * If anything comes of my proposal, part of trying to convert it into reality would be to do some kind of data collection and analysis of the different language versions of Wikinews. DavidMCEddy (talk) 02:53, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Any chance we can attend Wikimania via a video calling facility? If yes, when and how? ? acagastya PING ME! 20:27, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry: I only now saw this.  I've just been through two days of the "pre-conference".  The conference consists of 11 different concurrent sessions except for the keynote talks and other plenaries.  Some if it may be live streamed someplace.  If I learn now, I will post instructions here while pinging you.  However, at this point, it does not look promising for that.  DavidMCEddy (talk) 02:53, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note Videos, which strongly suggests events will not be live streamed except by volunteers willing to do so. -  Amgine | t 03:34, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

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Any Political Party of Pakistan not to able for Successful Strike in Karachi.Peaceful Karachi need to all.
 * Sorry, I'm not sure how we can help here. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:42, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

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Appeal to International Community to Boycott Indian Goods due to Violation Human Rights in Held Kashmir.
 * If you have news about a boycott, that would be a great contribution here. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:11, 17 August 2017 (UTC)


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Please stop changing your username title. If you want to change your name, go to: Steward requests/Username changes, they will arrange everything. Livenws (talk) 17:01, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I have put a short-duration block on this account, to stop this out-of-control shuffling of pages. Your user page, and user talk page, must remain at the name of your account, and if you want the name of your account changed, see the above link.  You've left a tangled mess of redirects across the wiki, which has taken considerable time and effort to clean up; this is unacceptable.  When the block expires, you are welcome to contribute to Wikinews; I recommend reading WN:Pillars of Wikinews writing, then WN:Writing an article.  But do not move your user pages around.  --Pi zero (talk) 19:47, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

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Football: Crystal Palace sacks de Boer after 77 days as manager

September 14, 2017 On Monday, London-based football club Crystal Palace sacked as manager. de Boer was appointed at the English club less than three months ago.

Crystal Palace is currently nineteenth in the table. de Boer had signed a three-year contract with Crystal Palace on June 26, but his team lost all four Premier League matches played so far. Crystal Palace is yet to score a goal in a Premier League match, this season. de Boer's only victory with the London club came against in the. de Boer succeeded former England's manager at Crystal Palace, who helped the club avoid relegation and finish fourteenth. Allardyce joined Crystal Palace after he was sacked from England's manager ten weeks after penning a two-year contract.

In the official statement on the club's website, Crystal Palace said, "Crystal Palace Football Club have this morning parted company with Frank de Boer. We would like to thank Frank for his dedication and hard work during his time at the club. A new manager will be appointed in due course and we wish Frank the very best of luck for the future."

In November, de Boer was sacked as the head coach of Italian club Internazionale after the club lost seven of fourteen matches. His tenure at the -based club lasted for just 85 days. Before joining Inter, the Dutchman helped Ajax Amsterdam to win four consecutive — Dutch League titles.

Former England manager was immediately favoured for the vacated spot. Crystal Palace had six permanent managers in the last six years. de Boer had the fewest matches in a management tenure of an English club — four Premier League matches, and five in total. de Boer's last match for Crystal Palace ended in a 1–0 defeat against Burnley.


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Give one valid instance of "vandalism". Restoring my userpage content, asking for my rights, pointing out what incorrect happened on the project -- I don't see any problem in that acagastya PING ME! 04:26, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

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Yes of course my sister does and Ill not trouble her for a written authorization just to please Wikinews. I suspect that if I took a selfie you'd ask for some kind of proof? This is why I call your "approved news" a subversive tit for tat censorship. It’s a delicate balance between the rights of the creator and the public’s interest. When in conflict, the balance tips more heavily toward the public’s interest, which is often contrary to what the creator believes to be fair or just. Albeit I understand your position but taking this strict hard line stance (in the example of my sisters picture) does not qualify Wikinews as a news agency that puts the right to know or see of the reader ahead of their own personal protection. So no guts, no more of my articles. Too many others with more readership and respect to disseminate news. Your strict policies are at the other end of the news spectrum from "fake news" (no copyrights reserved)

 * It is not to please Wikinews, first of all. She is the author of the photo and only she has the right to release it under any license she wishes to release it in. If you upload it without her consent, you are violating her copyright. Anyone who writes on the internet frequently would know this. If not, all that I can say is to read about copyright, or watch a good video (probably on YouTube) A selfie is likely to be identified. And the best place to discuss about media would be Wikimedia Commons, but let me tell you a secret. If it was a selfie, but if the EXIF data is missing, that is enough to question the authenticity of the photo. Of course, you could upload the original photo taken by some dead relative of yours, which never appeared on the internet and claim to be yours, but one day, when you are caught lying, and doing this repeatedly, you would lose your reputation, might get blocked, and would never be able to contribute to Wikimedia Commons again. (Well, if you have problems with media upload, why are you asking here? You should be asking on Wikimedia Commons. Only if your photo was locally uploaded as fair use image, then Wikinews can be questioned. But for that, you need to write a good fair use rationale. In the end, no matter what the public interest may be, the author is the sole owner of the image and only that person has right to choose what happens to their media. acagastya PING ME! 18:26, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

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After killing wife and children, police officer commits suicide in Noyon, France

September 13, 2017

A police officer has shot and killed his wife and two of their children at the train station in the French city of in the department of, the local  said, after the wife had informed the officer of her intention to separate from him. Their sons were aged three and five; a third child, twin to the five year old victim, survived the attack and is in the care of child services. The killings took place around 11:30 local time (0930 ) on Sunday.

The wife, born in 1983, called the gendarmes (police) in the morning, and they arrived to find her explaining to their five children about the domestic argument which had escalated. The husband returned while the police were present, and they reported he seemed calm and did not interfere with the children being moved to a neighbor's home, so they departed. The woman reportedly chose to leave her house when her husband was not there, and headed to the station, where the husband awaited them armed.

After assassinating his family, the police officer committed suicide. The wife's family lived in, near Noyon. The station at Noyon was closed after the incident. Late on Sunday, the police were searching for a witness who escaped after observing the events.


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Review of revision 4346062 [Not ready]

 * bottled up while using VE. Honestly, BBC had very less dependency, which reminded me of what happened while using MediaWiki's favourite method of editing. Agastya Chandrakant   ⚽ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰  05:01, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * the list of teams I found in an article linked from cited source, . --Pi zero (talk) 17:23, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The Guardian has a history of removing content after publication. If it is not available directly, then let's remove that bit on information. I could find Liverpool, Swansea and Burnley. But not the other two. acagastya PING ME! 17:30, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Review of revision 4346590 [Passed]

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Talk:After killing wife and children, police officer commits suicide in Noyon, France

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editprotected can u plz add the (Category:Children) to the article. عماد الدين المقدسي (talk) 09:24, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * This article is not focused on children for this category to be used. acagastya PING ME! 09:39, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌ furthermore, Wikinews does not have such a category. --SVTCobra 20:45, 15 January 2018 (UTC)


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Comments pages
Hi. Just wanted to note, the comment-deletion is not ill-meant; 'tis nothing personal. Remarks in service of writing an article should go on its talk page (aka its collaboration page); and we enforce a rule that the comments/opinions page for an article not be created until the article is published, so that any discussion there is a discussion of what was published, rather than part of it being about some earlier version. --Pi zero (talk) 11:51, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. Thanks for taking care of it and letting me know! Quinton Feldberg (talk) 11:52, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

US President Donald Trump vows to 'totally destroy' North Korea if it threatens US or allies
Hi. I (finally!) took a closer look at this, and found significant "copyvio" problems (copyvio is our term-of-art covering both copyright violation and the more alarming-sounding plagiarism). I hope someday to provide a really lucid essay about how to write synthesis that entirely avoids the form of its sources — I had a great title for the essay, it was to be called "Using sources without plagiary", but the hard part is conveying the actual trick of doing it. I've seen beautifully crafted synthesis writing, in which the material is gracefully presented in a way that, if you actually pick apart the origins of the information (which a reviewer does, during review), so thoroughly redistributes everything that bits of a source sentence are likely to be scattered all over our article, and a sentence in our article is likely to pull its information from distantly scattered parts of the sources. At any rate, see my review comments. --Pi zero (talk) 16:32, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Trump; Korea, North; Travel ban
US President Donald Trump vows to 'totally destroy' North Korea if it threatens US or allies is no longer wn:fresh, but if we shift the focus to the new travel ban blocks North Korea, and mention about his speech in that article, it would freshen up the article. You want to write about it? (Also, North Korea's foreign minister accused Trump for declaring war: you can write about that, too) acagastya PING ME! 17:03, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * YES!!! As soon as I get the chance, probably in a couple hours. Quinton Feldberg (talk) 17:04, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * forgot to ping, sorry. Quinton Feldberg (talk) 17:04, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I am almost done with the Kurdistan article -- I can move to the other article I had planned. Here is the link to the article United States: New travel ban bars North Korea, Venezuela; Sudan exempted (which is empty at the moment) We shall collaborate there. Okay with that? (Um, you should move the important bits of US President Donald Trump vows to 'totally destroy' North Korea if it threatens US or allies to that article). acagastya PING ME! 17:07, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok. Quinton Feldberg (talk) 17:10, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

userspacing articles
The thought is appreciated, of course, but best leave this task to admins; there's are some peripheral policy issues that may be touched on, and from a purely practical perspective, when it's done it should not leave a redirect behind in mainspace, which is something only an admin can arrange. --Pi zero (talk) 16:34, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Quinton Feldberg (talk) 16:34, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

US rock artist Tom Petty dies at 66
Hi. See review comments. We have limited time on this. --Pi zero (talk) 01:46, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I know, I'm on it! Thanks for the quick review! Quinton Feldberg (talk) 01:47, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Quinton Feldberg (talk) 02:10, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Verification troubles. Review comments.  --Pi zero (talk) 04:00, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Quinton Feldberg (talk) 04:35, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I should be long since sound asleep. In the likely event it's still on the queue when I get up in the morning, hopefully I can process it fairly quickly.  --Pi zero (talk) 05:19, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay. Goodnight. Quinton Feldberg (talk) 05:20, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Published.  (I try to make these edits as lucidly as possible, with useful diffs and edit summaries).  --Pi zero (talk) 13:41, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Suggestion re redirects
Not a big deal, but, for future references, when tagging a redirect page for deletion, I recommend putting the deletion template below the redirect directive. That way the page remains a functional redirect, and therefore continues to show up on special pages as a redirect (so it's indexed in multiple ways). --Pi zero (talk) 13:18, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Quinton Feldberg (talk) 13:29, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * will the pages be deleted? Quinton Feldberg (talk) 13:30, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I expect I, or someone, will get to them. Probably won't happen instantly, as there are plenty of high priorities on my schedule atm (both on- and off-wiki).  --Pi zero (talk) 13:37, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Salting to prevent creation
It's certainly an option. I tend to leave those open, though, so that if a known trouble-maker comes back in a new guise they can be tentatively recognized by the page names they use. --Pi zero (talk) 18:14, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Prepared stories
Just noticed you'd tagged this abandoned. That's something to watch out for — the point of tag prepared is to identify something that shouldn't be subjected to the usual abandonment process. --Pi zero (talk) 01:45, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

why do stories go stale?
How can one get answers to questions, like when FOIA attack on 'Restoring Internet freedom' is marked, "Not ready" for reasons I don't understand? I ask questions and get essentially no replies. The story goes stale, because I do not get answers in a timely fashion, the answers I get a too cryptic and too general to be useful, and I don't know how to get timely answers (or even untimely answers) to questions. Do I need to stalk Pi zero or someone else associated with Wikinews?

Far more importantly, there is a huge unmet need for news, and many volunteer journalists are being driven away from Wikinews: "In the 95 days between May 28 and August 1, 2017, the English-language Wikinews published ... only 1.8 percent of the articles submitted."  If I remember correctly, I've submitted four articles and gotten two published on Wikinews. That's much higher than most contributors.

Progress on many and perhaps all substantive issues facing humanity today is blocked, because every countermeasure threatens someone with substantive control over the media. This problem contributes to manufacturing the "War on Terror" on essentially fraudulent grounds. Wikinews could help build bridges rather than walls.

What can be done to help Wikinews grow to fill a much larger part of this need? DavidMCEddy (talk) 21:24, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * As someone once said, "Facts don't cease to be facts, but news ceases to be news." Quinton Feldberg (talk) 21:26, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

 * I'm aware of that, but what does that have to do with the fact that 98 percent of article submitted to Wikinews never get published?

 * What might be done so substantially more Wikinews stories get published -- if only in "local editions" with, perhaps, less stringent standards for writing style (but the same standards for writing from a neutral point of view with appropriate documentation) -- and "local reviewers" authorized to review articles only for local edition(s)?
 * One example is that the City of Bell scandal would likely never have occurred had someone been reporting on most City Council meetings in that city between 2000 and 2010. The same principle, I believe, applies to Winning the War on Terror:  A strong case can be made that the "Coalition of the Willing" was stampeded into invading Iraq in 2003 on grounds that the senior executives of the mainstream commercial media in the US surely should have known were questionable and likely fraudulent.
 * I believe that the English-language Wikinews can become one of the leading publications worldwide with thousands of local editions.
 * This can happen, I believe, if people like you and Pi zero think outside the box about how to recruit a team of volunteer reviewers, perhaps with most authorized only to approve certain local content and help develop procedures, so people who try to contribute content receive more help and are encouraged more to write -- if only for some "local edition"?
 * Thanks, DavidMCEddy (talk) 03:30, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Since anyone can write for Wikinews, it should be no surprise that 98% of the articles written don't qualify for publication. User:Pi zero and User:Acagastya are themselves volunteers. The reason we don't have more reviewers is due to a shortage of contributors. If you could find a way to get more people to contribute, we might have a lot more reviewers! Quinton Feldberg (talk) 03:38, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

 * I'm confused: Wikinews gets over 50 times the articles it publishes.
 * Are most of those contributed by bots, not humans?
 * If not, then Wikinews has a potential army of volunteers who could become reviewers if the existing reviewers could develop a system for qualifying and asking people to become reviewers.
 * This might be done in stages:
 * Create categor(y/ies) of "regional" and / or "associate" reviewers, who might be authorized to approve articles for "back pages" or "local editions": These people would provide the first evaluation.  If they thought the article was good enough to be featured, they could recommend it to people like you and User:Pi zero, who could then decide if it merited that or should stay on a "back page" or "local edition".
 * After some time as an "associate reviewer" full reviewers like Pi zero and you could coach each "associate reviewer" on what they should do to get promoted to a full reviewer.
 * After more time -- whatever criteria you all establish -- an "associate reviewer" could be promoted to a "full reviewer".
 * ??? DavidMCEddy (talk) 08:42, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, out of those 98%, there are many articles which did not match the style guide [are not written how a news article should ne], some failed to maintain neutrality [newbies, and sometimes experienced ones, would write in such a way that it reflects bias], some were below minimal length [lesser than three medium sized paragraphs], some could not establish a clear focus [headlines does not match the lede, or lede doesn't really focus on one incident]. Some other reasons, I will take the example of what I have written :

You know, using this account, I have created 206 pages. 53 (25.7%) were deleted as of now. What can you infer from that? We need to consider the real life, commitments, goals, Wikinews structure and many other things too. acagastya PING ME! 10:39, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) ROSCOSMOS, NASA agree to construct space station on Moon -- could not get to complete the article on time
 * 2) Japan: Prime minister Shinzo Abe prepones election -- had everything, but due to the review queue load, it could not be reviewed on time
 * 3) US President Trump, North Korean minister swap warlike rhetoric -- wasn't my cup of coffee, but I tried, asked for help, in the end, could not manage to get it done on time.

 * I agree that "We need to consider the real life, commitments, goals," etc., of all contributors.
 * However, I believe that with a better structure for Wikinews, we could attract thousands, maybe millions, of volunteer reviewers -- or maybe “local” or “associate reviewers” -- who could produce “local editions” and / or “back pages” that could attract volunteers all over the world to write from a neutral point of view with appropriate documentation. Some of these might not attract an audience at all but could still be very useful in putting public officials on notice that someone is watching them.  An example of this is the City of Bell scandal:  Bell, CA, USA, is a city of roughly 35,000 in Los Angeles County.  In 2010 they made national news, because the City Manager was the most highly paid public servant in the US as far as anyone knew, with total compensation over $1 million per year, more than double that of the President of the US.  Property taxes were outrageous, and the city was near bankruptcy.  The local newspaper died around 1999, and the City Manger effectively said, “Wow:  The watchdog is dead.  Let's have a party!”
 * Many local chapters of the League of Women Voters have “observer corps”, who attend public meetings of local governmental bodies and write summaries of their observations for their regular newsletters.
 * Wikinews could provide a platform for more extensive and more available reports of this nature.
 * Some reports like this may attract few readers -- if any. However, they could still be valuable, because they reduce the motivation for self serving actions of public officials.
 * Large numbers of volunteers are coming to Wikinews, eager to contribute. In the 163 days between 2017-04-28 and 2017-10-08, my copy of the counts at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews indicates that Wikinews received 8,652 submissions, averaging 53 per day, and published 142 articles, less than one per day.
 * I think it's fairly safe to assume that those 8,652 submissions were submitted by something close to 8,652 different people. To the extent that this is accurate, it means that on the average day during that period, 52 new people tried to offer an article to Wikinews and were pushed away.
 * I believe this represents a huge opportunity: With the right structure / rules for recruiting and qualifying reviewers and contributors, Wikinews could become bigger than Wikipedia -- and in so doing could make a major contribution to reducing political corruption and violent conflict while also increasing the rate of improvement in the political economy generating faster, more stable and more broadly shared economic growth.
 * If Wikinews reviewers and admins can find a way develop rules and structure that retain and teach more of these potential contributors about writing from a neutral point of view with adequate documentation, it could make major contributions to improving the quality of public debate on all kinds of issues:
 * Reducing political corruption.
 * Making it harder for xenophobes to succeed with divide and conquer rhetoric that often stampedes too many groups into violent conflict over misunderstandings that Wikinews could help bridge.
 * For more on this, see the Wikiversity articles on Everyone's favorite news site, Net neutrality and 'Restoring Internet freedom', and Winning the War on Terror.
 * Most of what is "written" is complete garbage that is obviously unfit for publication. Quinton Feldberg (talk) 17:29, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Do you have data to support that?
 * Some of the ideologues of the Left and the Right may be irretrievable. However, I think that's a relatively small percentage of the people on all extremes of the political spectrum.
 * One of the presenters at the ONA17 conference described an intervention that got 19 liberals from Seattle, WA (USA), onto a bus for over 4 hours each way for a 3.5 hour meeting with 16 Trump supporters in rural Oregon. The encounter started with a tour of Oregon farms, many of which have been in the family for over 100 years.  (By the way, I was raised on a farm that was homesteaded by two great-great aunts in the 1880s.)  That was followed by several team building exercises that helped each side see the other as human.
 * I believe we can grow Wikinews and other Wikimedia Foundation projects into a major platform to facilitate that kind of bridge-building exercise.
 * It may not work: The presenter I mentioned at ONA17 said that part of what contributed to the success of that exercise was the 9 hours on a bus going from Seattle to Oregon and returning:  That eliminated the left-wing trolls, who might have otherwise gone with intent to sabotage the exercise.
 * I know that many people write things on the web they would rarely if ever say face-to-face. However, I believe that the research summarized in Winning the War on Terror could eventually become as commonplace as the claims for which Galileo Galilei was sentenced to life imprisonment in 1633.  (For example:  Collateral that they commit is why we fight.  Collateral damage that we commit is unfortunate but necessary.  When most people come to understand this contradiction, I believe they will look harder for information on why their opponents in violent conflict do what they do.  When that happens, each side will work harder to limit collateral damage and promote rule of law.)
 * DavidMCEddy (talk) 20:03, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Please explain, concisely, what you want me to do. Thank you. Quinton Feldberg (talk) 20:06, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Think about how you can foment changes in Wikinews to capitalize on this opportunity.
 * (and please excuse me for not being more explicit. Thanks for asking.)  DavidMCEddy (talk) 20:52, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Deletion
How about creating a list of articles you want to nominate for deletion and pinging an admin? This was RC stream would be easier to monitor. 27.59.112.160 (talk) 15:32, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * There's already a list. They just aren't reading it for some reason. Quinton Feldberg (talk) 15:33, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * This is the “duh” moment. We would want to publish articles and clear the RQ rather than deletion of of articles. Those aren’t spam/test pages. That delay would be okay. But missing two articles would not be. 103.254.128.50 (talk) 15:39, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

South Korean lawmaker says North Korean hackers stole classified military documents
Hi. Turns out there was a copyvio problem lurking in this one. Review comments. --Pi zero (talk) 19:05, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

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Description Of Myself

I describe myself with a biased perspective of course. One holds two images of oneself, the one in the mirror, and the one in the head. The one in the mirror affects the one in the head. If the image in the head is good the image in the mirror is good, but if the image in the mirror is good the one in head might not be so.

I would describe myself as short, around 5'9", 5'10", with wavy brown hair all over my head. I would say I have a funny, slightly oblong nose with hazel eyes that change their dominance of brown or green with my mood. I have dark and rather thick eyebrows and as of late I have taken note to sparse patches of hair on and under my chin. I would not label my size, as in width or depth, large or small but right in the middle with developing muscles. I would have to say that the stump in my height is blamed on my thighs. My thighs, in proportion, are smaller than the rest of my body and if they grew a couple of inches I would hit the six foot mark. In addition to my small thighs my feet are also only 9s or 10s, depending on brand, but I should consider myself lucky I suppose that I made it where I did.

I have a few key characteristics I have noticed and many people have commented on. I have broad shoulders, long, skinny fingers, and a long neck. Piece by piece my body seems weird, unproportional, and misshapen, but all in all I'm pretty happy with my body and what it looks like and each piece is unique and each of its functions is limited but when it is put together its power is unfathomed and anything is possible.

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WELCOME to my page. Please leave a messsage  Arep ticous  talkcontribs 14:08, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

What type of news?
I have a short question. What kind of news can be reported in Wikinews? Please answer back in my talk.  Arep ticous  talkcontribs 15:27, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * We don't have any restriction on "what type of". It just has to be news.
 * By the way, your article Sri lanka actor Dasun nishan commits suicide failed the review. What does that mean? -- Well, it failed because I could not verify the story, we need two independent sources to verify (which you have used for writing this article) and the other reason being too short.  We need at least three medium sized paragraphs for minimal length. It should not be hard to find sources, nor to write three paragraphs. But if it is, let me know -- I would see what I can do. If the news broke recently, and yet to hit the news, you need to wait. acagastya  PING ME! 15:58, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If I read this article correctly, Sri lanka actor wijaya nandasiri dies, the incident took place on August 8. It is too late to be relatively "new" and hence, it is not news. Writing about his death is pointless since it is not fresh anymore. acagastya PING ME! 16:56, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Re Sri Lanka bombing 2019 (follow up events)
What are the dates of each of these events? Please tell this to me as soon as possible. I would like to use this information for assessing whether this is still 'news', and if so, then how it is best written.

To reply please click here.

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Question
Hi Gryllida,

The events happened on the 21st of April, even so, the investigations are still going and these happened recently. I expect some more turnovers in this story... and it might probably go until the next month.  Arep Ticous  talkcontribs 13:52, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

--  Arep Ticous  talkcontribs 13:52, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Yea, April 21 is too old. When something new happens, just add it to the draft and leave me a message.
 * Meanwhile you are welcome to write a draft about anything else that comes to your mind --presumably you read news somewhere every day or two-- or help out by improving others' drafts in the newsroom (something I wrote a small tool for in case you are interested) as this activity helps you gain news writing practice to make starting your own story a bit easier.
 * Thank you and welcome to Wikinews!! :-) --Gryllida (talk) 20:01, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

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Suggestion
Perhaps you were thinking of query button? (I found it by looking at datecategory, which I recalled uses it.) --Pi zero (talk)
 * No. I remember seeing a template just like button. It is not query button for sure. As far as I can say, button would not perform any wiki action. acagastya PING ME! 16:37, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * What is the purpose of button, if it doesn't do anything? I feel I may be missing something important about this.  The only related templates I can think of are query button and dialog/button, but both of those do something (the first a wiki action, the second a dialog action).  --Pi zero (talk) 16:47, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It is likely part of a larger gadget installation - I suspect the Creer gadget from fr.WP. -  Amgine | t 16:55, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Nothing except looking good. acagastya PING ME! 17:21, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
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Football: Marcelo signs contract extension with Real Madrid

September 15, 2017 Yesterday, Brazilian footballer Marcelo signed a contract extension with Spanish capital club Real Madrid, the club announced via their official website. The new contract runs until June 2022.

29-year-old Marcelo, who currently faces a two-match ban for kicking a player, joined Los Blancos from  in the 2006–07 season. Since then, Marcelo has won four Spanish LaLiga titles and three UEFA Champions League titles.

Since joining the club at age eighteen, Marcelo has won a total of seventeen titles with Real Madrid including three, three Spanish Super Cups — — and two each of  and. During his tenure at the, Marcelo has featured in 415 matches for the club, and also serves as the vice-captain of the team. Only his compatriot has more appearances as a foreign player for Real Madrid with 527 matches. Due to the suspension in the previous league game, Marcelo is to miss upcoming matches against and.

Per the previous contract, Marcelo was tied with the club until June 2020. Last, year, German midfielder Toni Kroos and Welsh midfielder Gareth Bale signed contract extensions with Madrid which also run until June 2022.


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Welcome
It seems you never got a Howdy template here, probably because the account was created before we set up the welcome bot that provides it automatically. We've not modified the template for a number of years, and there have been some related resources written since then, notably WN:Pillars of Wikinews writing. (It's really hard to know what, if anything, would work much better than the now-old version of the template, and one would like to be sure of what one wanted to do before acting as it's transcluded on a huge number of pages.) At any rate, for whatever value may be derived therefrom, --Pi zero (talk) 21:09, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

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User talk:61.12.72.155

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