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Talk:Dutch

Notification of deletion of offensive content
Without waiting for any editorial interference, I deleted *Dutch KankerMongool (Rhode Island of Kanker) under Places, since it is a very offensive word and a non-existent place. Some kind of stupid prank I guess.

Yours, --Bjrndlw (talk) 18:46, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Offensive term
Why is dutch offensive for some in the netherlands? If that is the case, why they still sing in their national anthem: duitse blood? or something like that? So, anything that sound a bit german is offensive for some dutch? Might be true, but than they maybe should change the text of their national anthem as well.

Fact is the netherland were part of middle age germany and the language was the same until the later middle ages. Only after that it became a seperate language and a seperate people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.225.245.211 (talk • contribs) 15:28, 21 March 2004

 * Fact is you are wrong. Please read the article before making such statements. Dutch is not a derative of German (not todays german anyway, but altdeutsch). As for the Anthem, the text is "Duitschen bloed", 'Duitschen' a variant of 'Diets', not 'Deutsch'. Dutch is offensive because it is the English form of old Netherlandic 'Diets', which was used by nazis (the nazis used and abused many words. Thats why many think "grossdeutschland" was invented by the nazis. Actually its originally from the 1848 revolution) to promote the fictional pan-Germanic heritage of the Netherlands and Germany. Also, it implies that the Netherlands is but a part of Germany, and that the Netherlandic language is a German dialect, which is not the case. Netherlandic dialects diverged from the Germanic tree long before most German dialects did. — Jor (Talk) 20:38, 21 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Dutch is also the niederdeutsche word (a northern german dialect) for "Deutsch". So i am not completly wrong. I did not say that dutch is a dialect of german. It is not. It can't because it has its own written language. What i said is that dutch was (past) a german dialect in the middle ages. Or maybe the other way around. In the middle ages it was the same language.

But you didnt explained why they find "dutch" offensive but not "duitsch". If dutch is the english word for "diets" and "diets" a variant of "Duitsch" than they must be offended with "duitsch" as well. That is the logical conclusion, isn't it?

Refering to the germanic (germanische!!! nicht deutsche) heritage is not too fictional. The bataver were a germanic tribe. It is not a german problem that "german" is the english word of "deutsch", so the english often cant distinguish between the "ancient" germanic tribes and germans.

My point is if you state in the article: "They are offended by the term "dutch"", than you maybe should explain it. Knowbody except dutch would know why. I didn't. Maybe some germans would rather be called bavarians or saxons. But stating something that knowbody knows why is absurd.

If, than put a link and explain it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.225.245.211 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 21 March 2004

Besides, the english called the dutch, dutch long before hitler was even born. So, only because the nazis used or rather misused that term, they should just rename everything. I think your point of view is rather absurde.

Maybe the germans should also rename all words with führer in it: like Lokführer, Reiseführer, lol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.85.233.166 (talk • contribs) 19:31, 21 March 2004

As far as I know, dutch people aren't offended by the therm dutch( and I am dutch, so I should know) The english word for the language spoken in germany is german, and I have never heard of the therm Duitsch in english. however, the dutch word for german is Duits. I do know, that since our anthem is very old (+- 500 jears old) spelling wasn't solid in that time. In most versions it Dietsen bloed is said, but since diets is an archaic therm, modern Dutch versions all state Duits instead of Diets. Diets means "of the people". There is a lot of debate wether the song says of german blood or of normal blood(of the people). Both are reasonable possibilities. William of orange had german roots, and the song was wrote for William of nassau. But William wrote the song to get to the normal people and create a bonding feeling. Of course, peasants would support William more eagerly if he acknowledged his normal blood. In modern politics, get closer to the people. The same reason why Bush kept its Texan accent. So I think that that part should be deleted or at least improved. anyone disagree? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.163.73.201 (talk • contribs) 02:53, 15 April 2004

 * Indeed -- the word "Dutch" is not considered offensive by Dutch people. The alternative that was mentioned in the previous revision, "Netherlandic", is definitely not a existing word. There exists a word "Netherlandish" (according to the Van Dale English-Dutch dictionary). However, that word is rarely used, and certainly not as an alternative to the so-called 'offensive' Dutch. Therefore I have removed the remark about Dutch being offensive. Guus 18:04, Aug 28, 2004 (UTC)

 * This whole issue surprises me quite a bit. Like most people the Dutch are proud of their country and nationality, and they know perfectly well the English word "Dutch" means "Nederlands". There is no offence. When abroad, Dutch people are often mistaken for Germans. That is considered offensive.

 * The issue of the national anthem is unrelated to this. The text reads "Duitsen bloed" (not "Dietsen bloed"); and the Dutch word "Duits" doesn't mean Dutch but German. So "German blood" (or "German origin") that is.
 * "Wilhelmus van Nassauwe, ben ik, van Duitsen bloed..." or "William of Nassau, I am, of German origin..."
 * The phrase cannot be understood without its historical context. The "I" in the phrase refers specifically to William the Silent (William of Orange-Nassau), not to just any Dutchman singing the song. And William, the Dutch "father of the fatherland", was a German (from Nassau) and not a Dutchman. He didn't even understand a word of Dutch (he spoke French most of the time, because he was educated in Brussels).
 * Need more confusion? Read the complete text of the Dutch national anthem (here on Wikipedia, in Dutch and English). Two phrases further in the text William sings that he honours the king of Spain (his enemy in the Dutch revolt)...
 * Let's rehearse: William was the Dutch father of the fatherland, he had German blood, spoke French and honoured the king of Spain. European history is complex (but so exciting). Jaho 13:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

the people
There should be a separate page for the Dutch people. Instances of Dutch when referring to people should not be disambiguated. --Joy [shallot]   21:47, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Dutch
Dutch in Pennsylvania Dutch comes from "deutsch" (the german word for German and german language), not from "dutch". Pennsylvania Dutch is a relative to the german language, see Pennsylvania German or Pennsylvania German language. (Hypnosekröte) 84.137.239.107 13:06, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Do you have a reference for that? The articles I've read have described 'dutch' as having its own, English etymology. It's not just a corrupted borrowing directly from German, in the same way that "hound," in English doesn't 'come from' "hond," in Dutch. Made of nguyen (talk) 06:56, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Throrough shortening
I made a drastic reduction of the amount of links, since the vast majority simply refer to things that similarly named, but would would certainly never be articles that could be disambiguated from one another. I don't mind compromises, but we need to keep stuff like the nick-name of Reagan and the name of Ah-nuld's Predator-character out of these articles.

Peter Isotalo 16:12, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Another possibility.
What about 'going Dutch'? As in the colloquialism. Appropriate for this disambig.? →  P . Mac Uidhir  (t)  (c)  14:24, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Link to disambig of Netherlands
I've linked to the disambig page of Netherlands, since "Dutch" historically can refer to any of these regions, not just the current kingdom of the Netherlands. Piet 17:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Movie
What about the movie Dutch released in 1991 starring Ed O'Niel? Jakz34 21:31, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Added.  SCH ZMO  ✍ 21:36, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Memoir
What about Edmund Morris's Dutch: A Memoir of Ronald Reagan? --68.41.122.213 14:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Added.  SCH ZMO  ✍ 21:36, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Location of Netherlands
Isn't Netherlands located in central Europe, not northern? 81.197.47.179 21:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * OK. North-central Europe to be specific. But it's just a disambiguation page...  SCH ZMO  ✍ 21:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The Netherlands is in Western Europe, North-Western Europe if you like. Central Europe is quite a way from here, (Austria/Czechia etc.). North-central Europe would be Poland or so. The Netherlands is just east of England (separated by the North Sea), please take a look on a map and see for yourself. Jaho 13:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Dutch;
Dutch;Well known name of pack of botanic thieves
 * Source? ʍαμ$ʏ5043 19:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Why "Dutch"?
Does anyone know where the word "Dutch" was derived from? For instance, why do people from the Netherlands, speak Dutch? Jilljacobucci 16:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)jill

 * The Netherlands (terminology) article should offer an explanation. + A.0u  05:00, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Dutch is a langue what Peoples from Belgium and Netherlands talked —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.243.18.234 (talk) 07:50, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

The word comes from Frankian "theodisk". Theod being "people". It was the name the Franks used to distinguish their own Germanic tongue from the Latin of the church and of all official documents. Other Germanic tribes that spoke pretty similar dialects at the time also took up the name and kept it even when the new languages like Dutch and High German arose. This is why Germans call themselves Deutsch. The English have it right though: modern Dutch is the closest descendant from the old (low west-) frankian dialects, even though the Dutch themselves have given up on the cognate 'diets' or nederduits for their own language. Jcwf (talk) 22:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Restortion to Disambiguation Page
The Wikipedia page "Dutch" is a Disambiguation Page. It is not a catch-all for all things including the word "Dutch" or associated with the term in any way.

As such, the following non directly germane content was removed this day:

 * For the Peter Faiman, Ed O'Neill road film, see Dutch (film)

 * Dutch cuisine

The English word Dutch derives from the Low German Dütsch or Düütsch, which shares a common etymology with German Deutsch—in both cases, an adjective formed by adding the suffix -sch to the noun Deut ("Teut", as in Teuton and Teutonic), which means "human being". In effect, Dutch/Dütsch/Deutsch ultimately means "of human beings" or "of the people".

In actual use, the term came to refer to all the peoples associated with the Holy Roman Empire, which included the Netherlands—especially those who spoke Germanic languages. Consequently, and for several centuries, the term "Dutch" was used to indicate people and things who were Dutch, Flemish, Frisian, Saxon, Westphalian, Hanoverian, Hamburger, Luxemburger, Limburger, and so on. In short, the term referred to all continental Germanic groups.

For the most part, the American use of Dutch to mean "German" disappeared in the years following World War II, but certain terms have become classic and are still in use, such as "Dutch potato salad" and "Dutch apple pie", which are more accurately called "German potato salad" and "German apple pie".

Dutch may also refer to Communities
 * the Pennsylvania Dutch, a group of German immigrants to Pennsylvania (United States)
 * the Cape Dutch, the mostly Dutch European inhabitants of the Western Cape (South Africa) between the 17th and 19th centuries, including those who founded Kaapstad (see also Cape Dutch architecture)

History
 * Dutch Golden Age painting, or the Dutch Masters, a group of artists during that period
 * Dutch Colonial, an architectural style found in northern America

People
 * A nickname of Ronald Reagan, the 40th United States President
 * Dutch Schultz, a notorious mobster
 * A name used by electronic music producer Jesse Houk, better known as The Scumfrog
 * Dutch Ruppersberger, Democratic member of the United States House of Representatives

Objects and products
 * Dutch oven
 * Dutch process chocolate
 * Dutch Gold, a popular beer in the Republic of Ireland
 * Dutch Masters (cigar), often referred to as a "Dutch"

Animals
 * Dutch Bantam, a breed of chicken

Film
 * Dutch (film), a 1991 comedy/drama film
 * Major Alan "Dutch" Schaefer, the main character in the movie Predator played by Arnold Schwarzenegger
 * Dutch, a protagonist in the manga and anime series Black Lagoon.
 * Detective Holland "Dutch" Wagenbach, a character in the television show The Shield

Literature
 * Dutch: A Memoir of Ronald Reagan, a 1999 book by Edmund Morris

Music
 * Dutch hip hop or Nederhop, a music genre of the Netherlands
 * Hardcore/Hardstyle a music genre of the Netherlands

Colloquial usage Many colloquial terms use the word Dutch. A rare few describe actual Dutch customs. Some negative ones originate from prejudice caused by the Anglo-Dutch Wars, some are based on other stereotypes, and some have nothing to do with the Netherlands. These terms include
 * Going Dutch, to split the cost of a purchase, usually a meal, evenly between several parties
 * Dutch courage, courage from intoxication
 * Dutch comfort, a comforting sentiment providing no comfort at all, (e.g., "at least things can't get any worse")
 * Dutch Defence, a chess opening
 * Dutch auction, an auction in which prices fall as sale progresses.
 * Dutch angle, in film, a severely tilted camera angle
 * Dutch book, a method of guaranteeing a profit in gambling
 * Dutching, a method of sharing the risk of losing in gambling
 * Double Dutch, which has a few different meanings
 * Dutch wife, a body length pillow; in Japan a sex doll
 * Dutch uncle, an acquaintance who speaks with an inappropriate level of candour
 * Dutch hoe, a hoe design that is pushed or pulled through the soil to cut weeds just under the surface.
 * Dutch treat, similar to Going Dutch
 * Dutch or Dutchie, a slang term for a blunt, especially when used for smoking marijuana
 * "in Dutch", means you have gotten into trouble with someone.
 * Dutch Nail", literally from Malay, "Paku Belanda". A proverb describing a same item being sold at expensive rate. Similar to American's "ripoff".

With few exceptions, these compound enties can be found under their own headings and thus do not need to be disambiguated. Further, all that have their own articles can be reached via the link to articles beginning with "Dutch" at the top of the edited page.

Those which do not begin with "Dutch" - as "Going Dutch" - are reachable via their own titles directly.

Any contributor is welcome to develop a page of Dutch-related expressions. This, however, is a Disambiguation Page and is not the place for such a catch-all, let alone uncited exposition on colloquial use of the term.

Anyone wishing to create alternative links to topics including the term "Dutch" to help direct readers to them, such as for "Dutch painters" or "Dutch painting" to take a reader to "Dutch Golden Age painting", is welcome to create redirects to do so. Do not add them as individual entries to this Disambiguation Page. Thank you. Wikiuser100 (talk) 12:59, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Ronald Reagan
Could someone explain why Ronald Reagan is listed on this page?--Koentjuhh (talk) 08:30, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Reagan's father gave him the nickname "Dutch". While not as commonly used as "Jack" Kennedy, Reagan was referred to by various people as "Dutch" for the rest of his life. --Khajidha (talk) 02:14, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Chaco War

What about the Falkland conflict?
Quote: 'Moreover, Bolivia deployed at least three Vickers 6-Ton armored tanks during the war, in what was the first ever (and to this day the only) case of crossborder armored warfare inside the Western Hemisphere.'

During the Falkland/Malvinas conflict both Argentine and British troops employed APCs and tanks, so this statement doesn't seem entirely correct. It's far beyound my field of competence, so I haven't done any editing (yet). Maybe there's someone in the know who could elaborate? Asav (talk) 20:36, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Attacks by amphibious warfare, no matter who "owns the land" are NOT crossborder warfare. Crossborder warfare is like the German Army attacking into Luxembourg and thence into France, the Canadian Army attacking from France into Belgium, Holland, and West Germany the U.S. Army attacking from France into Belgium, Luxembourg, West Germany, and western Austria, and the Soviet Army attacking from the Ukraine and Belarussia into Lithuania, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria, and thence into Yugoslavia, Albania, eastern Austria, and East Germany, gobbling up as much land as the Soviet Union could get.
 * In contrast, the Japanese and the Americans & Australian Army fighting over New Guinea and the Philippines was not crossborder warfare, though tanks were used in amphibious warfare. 98.81.14.72 (talk) 02:54, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Internal links
The term "mate" is coming out without an underline link to show that there is such an article, or a question mark to show that there is no such article. Should the apostrophes be moved outside of the brackets? I know what the word is refering to, but I believe the apostrophes are messing with the proper linking. -- Zoe
 * Yep, the internal apostrophes are preventing link creation. In a previous version of the software you could make such links but they would create pages names that look something like this, < i >mate< /i > - which is the HTML equivalent of mate . So the ability to form such links was disabled. Welcome to Wikiland, mate, BTW, Zoe. --maveric149

 * Use a piped link: this link has internal italics and $m a t h \,\!$stuff, but it still links properly.   — Phyzome is Tim McCormack 21:03, 2004 Nov 12 (UTC)

-- Danny, as repugnant as User:ZOG is, he's actually adding something valid (and accrate) to this article.

What's wrong with these edits?

"The war also had immediate political ramifications for Bolivia, as the (perceived) mismanagement of the war by Salamanca led his own generals to capture him, and force him to step down from the presidency."

"Many middle-class Bolivians were humiliated by Bolivia's quick military defeating during the Chaco War, which led to a mass movement away from the traditional order known as the "Generacion del Chaco", which was epitomized by the MNR-led Revolution of 1952." 172

 * For Martin, have you actually researched the additions to verify that they are accurate, or are you basing your edit on a desire to incorporate Zog's material, whether factual or not. Danny

 * I have not researched the additions to verify that they are accurate.
 * I am not basing my edit on a desire to incorporate Zog's material, whether factual or not.
 * My assessment is that, on the balance of probabilities, the material added by Zog to this entry is probably correct. No reason has been given for its removal, beyond the political beliefs of the person who wrote it. Therefore, I oppose its removal. I would also oppose the removal of content you added if no reason was given beyond "Danny is a Zionist". I hope you would oppose the removal of content I added if no reason was given beyond "Martin is a feminist". Martin

 * I verify that the statements that Zog placed in this article are accurate. Let's keep them in the article, but ban Zog right away regardless. 172

 * I can accept the statements coming from 172. As for you Martin, let me tell you a little something about me. I am not a Zionist. In fact, I disagree with Zionism, but I doubt you could understand that. Yes, I know a lot about Zionism. Yes, I speak Hebrew (so does Chomsky) as well as Arabic and English and French and Yiddish and Esperanto and Akkadian and Aramaic with some Russian, German, Spanish, and Japanese. Unfortunately, your assertion is based on a mistaken premise, like so many other of your assertions, i.e., that all the above is causal. I have probably done more for the cause of an independent Palestine than you ever will. So please, don't base your rhetoric on faulty assumptions. Danny

 * I was unclear - my apologies. I did put quotes around "Danny is a Zionist", but this obviously wasn't clear enough, particularly given the statement "Martin is a feminist" on the same line. With your permission, I'll edit what I wrote appropriately. I'm unclear on what you mean by my assertion that "all the above is causal"?

 * Incidentally, I've done nothing for the cause of an independant Palestine, and I have no particular desire to do so. I'm just learning and writing - not necessarilly in that order. Martin

Zog’s contributions ideally should be summarily removed, but it’s far worse to replace a valid contribution by this repugnant scum with something that is completely inaccurate.

He was correct that the mass-based movement reacting against Bolivia’s humilation in the Chaco War was known as the "Generacion del Chaco", which was the impetus for the 1952 revolution. The latest revisions suggest that the MNR-led revolution opposed the "Generacion del Chaco."

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Casualties versus deaths
"the war's 100,000 casualties" - usually "casualties" refers to both dead and wounded, but 100,000 is the number of dead, right?? I don't know enough about this subject to edit it myself, but it should be clarified. 220.253.116.234 01:08, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Absolutely true. In any endeavor, "casualties" include killed, wounded, missing in action, and also seriously sick people, such as with malaria, yellow fever, or driven crazy in combat in such activities as warfare, construction projects (e.g. the Panama Canal). Whoever got the idea that "casualties" only included the killed was sadly mistaken. 98.81.14.72 (talk) 03:10, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

The begining of this war

 * Someone here has a serious problem in that in English, these words and the ones similar to the are always capitalized. Bolivian, Paraguayan, Paraguay, and Argentina. This should be done on automatic pilot! When I write Spanish, I follow the rules of Spanish. When I write German, I follow the rules of German. When you write English, you MUST follow the rules of English concerning capitalization, punctuation, etc. 98.81.14.72 (talk) 03:20, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

The article says: "Border skirmishes throughout the late 1920s culminated in an all out war in 1932, when the Bolivian Army, following the orders of the President Daniel Salamanca, attacked a Paraguayan garrison at Vanguardia."

"Following the orders of President Salamanca" is not true. Salamanca orders the exploration and fortification of bolivian units in that territory. He was strongly pacifist and looked for a pacific solution of the territorial conflict. In fact, a thing used by his political enemies was that: his pacifism and formalism in diplomatic affaires.

The incident in Vanguardia was not ordered by anything. The bolivian patrol was exploring the lake and found in the oppossite side buildings used by paragayan soldiers. Surprise and nerviosism make the rst...a soldier paraguayan was wounded and the Bolivian government, watching this, tried to anticipate the logical reaction of Paraguayan government. But the Paraguayan Army made its retaliation, killing a bolivian officer and other soldiers.

A second retaliation (occupation of a bolivian fortress) by paraguay forced bolivian government to make similar action, pressed by oppossittors and public oppinion. That forced paraguay to make another moves, and thats the war we had. Curiously, war was not declarated initially, by diplomatic reasons but declared (by Paraguay) for tactical reasons (with that, Argentina was declared "neutral" and closed the door to bolivian imports (military specially) but not to paraguayan ones.

Article do not said anything about the role of argentina (colaborating with military assistance and intelligence information to paraguayan High Commmanders), same work maded by chilean government.

Finally, in the antecedents section we must be clear in the map questions. Bolivia makes clear, from the beggining of the 20th century, what territory it claims (basing its petition in Audiencia de Charcas maps). Paraguay never expressed formaly and clearly the territory it was claiming and fighting for. RedSoldier 02-03-2006

Who won the War?
No one... but I am not talking about the pacifist topic that "everybody loses in a war". The origin of the war was a territory dispute. But, deep inside, the economic interest in petrolitstic regions in the southeast of actual Bolivia.

Formally, Chaco War hasn't a winner. Peace Treaty talk about "Without winners nor losers". Paragay keep the control of the majority territory disputed. That's why something they "win" the war. Bolivia keeps the rich oil resources and keeps a port over Paraguay River. Paraguay keep vast territory, duplicating his initial.

 * This is actually false information. The problem about borders comes from the poor job the Spaniards did during the colonial times to properly draw each nations borders, thus leaving no documents to clearly state them; yet in Paraguay the entire Chaco region has always been considered Paraguayan territory. This can be supported by historical background, such as why did Argentina claim some Chaco territory after the War of the Triple Alliance if it was originally Bolivian territory? And also, why the need of a war if what Bolivia was after was a port on Paraguay River? Veritiel (talk) 21:20, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

"Please, edit the box info in the article. Paraguay did not won the war. Its ally, Argentina, forced the peace treaty when the war was changing its direction (by obvious reasons, Bolivia was a bigger and more populated country send more soldiers to the field and time was in his favor).    RedSoldier 02-03-2006

Contradiction
See Talk:War of the Triple Alliance. --208.76.104.133 (talk) 08:11, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Indian Communities and the War
Some mention should be made discussing the unfair treatment of indigenous peoples at the time of this war. Many Indian communities were reduced to exclusively women, children, and the elderly after draft enforcers rounded up Indians to serve the war. In addition, the scarcity of soldiers made it necessary for most indigenous people engaged in the war to serve in the frontline. The largest contingent of the Chaco War army were in fact Indian communities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carleyp (talk • contribs) 03:10, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Paraguay clearly won, if not, answer this questions
How come the war started in 1932, 500 kms from asuncion, the capital city of Paraguay, and ended formally in mid 1935, 1200 kms from there?

How come the final tally of the war, even by bolivians records, mentioned 60.000 bolivian casualties, to only 35.000 paraguayans?

How come Bolivia supposedly started the war at inferior conditions, yet during the war they mobilized more than 250.000 effectives, against only 130.000 paraguayans mobilized for the same period?

At one point, the bolivian army was commanded by a german mercenary called Hans Kundt, regarded in Bolivia as a military mastermind, genius, while acknowledged as a mere corporal in his country. Bolivia changed the whole military high staff 4 times during the war, not to mention that they staged a coup d´etat to overthrow their own president.During this whole period, paraguay kept the same commander in chief J.F. Estigarribia and president of the nation Eusebio Ayala.

Bolivia had 5 airplanes for every paraguayan plane, yet the final tally of the war showed 9 bolivian planes shot versus 8 paraguayans. Bolivia had armored tanks, flame throwers, machinegunes, sub muchineguns, etc. Basically an army fully prepared against the paraguayasn which at the start of the war wer armed with old spanish mausers, bought as a bargain due to manufacture deffects. This were called "mata-paraguayos (paraguayan killer)" because it was evenly likely to cause an injury to the shooter because of manufacture deffects, as to the victim of the shoot.

The final tally of the war for pows was of 20.000 bolivians, versus only 3.000 paraguayans, according to bolivian sources.

Off course in a war nobody wins, except arm dealers and other vultures. Yet from this statistical perspective, is it difficult to muster a conclusion?

Amilcar Zestogonia, paraguayan. If anybody doubts what I´m proposing, then please answer my questions otherwise... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.16.65.127 (talk) 04:08, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Unsatisfactory map
The map captions "Bolivia and Paraguay before the war" leaves a lot to be desired. It makes it appear that Bolivia, Paraguay, and Gran Chaco were three different countries. It doesn't show how the border changed as a result of the war.Eregli bob (talk) 16:39, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

 * You are grossly mistaken in your argument about the map and your disliking of it. The map is crystal clear about which area were these:
 * 1. The generally recognized area of Paraguay before the war.
 * 2. The disputed region (for whatever reason) in the Gran Chaco.
 * 3. The borders of Bolivia after the war.

 * Well you are spectacularly wrong there ! Where was the border before the war ?  The Gran Chaco was not a separate country before the war,  nor were its boundaries well defined.  Most other maps seem to show Paraguay with a northern border which ran directly from east to west at some point south of the current border.  Your murky, muddy, anything but "crystal clear" map does not show this.  What is the source for the boundaries shown on your beloved map ?Eregli bob (talk) 12:11, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Then it is equally clear that the disputed region was transferred from Bolivia to Paraguay as the result of the war, whether that was de facto or de jure.

 * Dead wrong again. Bolivia was never in control of the southern part of the area you have labelled as "disputed",  so it wasn't transfered from Bolivia to Paraguay at all.Eregli bob (talk) 12:11, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Also, there is a region of the western Gran Chaco that remained with Bolivia after the war and gave it a firm hold on a river port on the Paraguay River.

 * The river port on the Paraguay river is on the eastern, not western, side of the disputed Gran Chaco region.Eregli bob (talk) 12:22, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

 * So yes, you are agreeing that Paraguay ended up in control of most, but not all, of the region in dispute.Eregli bob (talk) 12:11, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

 * However, that port on the Paraguay River could not be used by Bolivia for international exports and imports without the permission of Paraguay, Argentina, and Uruguay, but those permissions were obtained peacefully and by international treaty.

 * There is a vastly superior map which is labelled in Spanish as "the history of the borders of Paraguay", or something equivalent to that.Eregli bob (talk) 12:22, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

 * In contrast, the diplomatic situation between Bolivia and Chile is still very treacherous, and they have been without ambassadors and embassies at all since 1978. Hence, the heavy imports and exports of Bolivia either go vis the Rio de la Plata to the Atlantic, or via Peru to the Pacific. 98.81.14.72 (talk) 03:39, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Extent of Paraguay's prewar boundaries.
Exactly how much territory did Paraguay control before the war? I've seen maps showing the entire Chaco as part of Bolivia, and others with the border between the two countries along the 26th parallel.

208.101.128.57 (talk) 08:38, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Bloodiest conflict in the Americas in the 20th century?
I think that disaster belongs to the Mexican Revolution (of 1910) and its about 1,000,000 deaths. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.194 (talk) 23:34, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Maybe one can have in mind that of the combined populations of the countries taking part in this thing.....maybe it was two percent of the total populations that died during the Chaco War. Was the Mexican Revolution in 20th century. I thought it was in the 19th century. --83.108.28.69 (talk) 21:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

 * When evaluating the bloodiness of a war, it is important to compare the deaths to the entire population. For example, the United States lost a LOT of soldiers, sailors, and Marines in the war against Japan, but the U.S. has a much larger population that Japan does. The deaths caused by the war in Japan were a much higher percentage than was the percentage in the United States. Also, Japan lost far more buildings, ships, airplanes, and everything else that you can think of. 98.81.14.72 (talk) 03:51, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Mexican Revolution: 1910 - 1919 (don't confuse it with Mexican War of Independence of 1810 - 1820. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.194 (talk) 22:44, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

A "blitzkrieg" in the Chaco?
I found somehwhat preposterous the use of the term "blitzkrieg" to describe the Paraguayan advances in late 1934, no matter how quickly the Paraguayan Army surrounded and eventually overran its Bolivian counterpart at Yrendagué or El Carmen. The word was coined during World War II, five years after the events the map shows, and implies the use of armoured warfare, something well beyond the reach of Paraguay and its few dust-stricken trucks at the time. Unless a reliable source using the word in a retrospective way can be found, "blitzkrieg" should be removed immediatly.--Darius (talk) 23:24, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No comments in two weeks, I have rephrased the caption accordingly. Please, leave your reasons here before reverting my changes, thank you.--Darius (talk) 21:52, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * There was a limited amount of tank warfare in the Chaco War. However, it was nothing like the tank blitzkrieg of the German Army, starting in 1939, in Poland, Holland, Belgium, France, Holland, and the Soviet Union, or the greatest blitzkrieg that there ever was: the blitzkrieg of the U.S. Army over the Wehrmacht in 1944 - 45 in France, Luxembourg, Belgium, southern German, and western Austria. This was carried out by the U.S. 1st, 3rd, and 7th Armies, and the 9th Air Force of the U.S. Army Air Force. Besides having superior and more numerous ground armies in France (especially), the American has far more and better airpower than the Luftwaffe ever did. (Commanded by a USAAF general of Dutch descent - Hoyt S. Vandenberg.) The U.S. Army who commanded the ultimate in the blitzkrieg was General George S. Patton, Jr., in command of the 3rd Army all the way from Normandy to western Czechoslovakia. Patton's troops went nearly all the way to Prague, but that land had to be turned over to the Red Army at the end of the war.
 * You are right - do not call anything by an army armed with peashooters to anything that the Wehrmacht or the U.S. Army could do. 98.81.14.72 (talk) 04:05, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Civilian death toll in the infobox
Huge civilian casualties in a conflict over a largely deserted region sounds very suspicious. I have read dozens of accounts about the Chaco War and I don't remember any instance of civilian deaths, although I guess there could have been a number of these in the course of Bolivian airstrikes along the Paraguay river or in and around the Bolivian cities of Villa Montes and Charagua in the last months of the struggle. A figure in the thousands, however, seems extremely unlikely.--Darius (talk) 16:07, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

 * I thought it seemed unlikely but the source states that and the source is reliable. It may be deaths from starvation and not from direct military action. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.213.87 (talk) 16:24, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

 * If you read the book can you tell the exact page where the civilian toll is mentioned? That the figure of a war of the 1930s is mentioned in a book named World Military and Social Expenditures 1987-88 is to me unlikely (apart from the reasons given by Dagos/Darius). Chiton (talk) 16:34, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

The year 1987-88 is regarding date of issue. It is that years version which. A new version is released every so often like encyclopedia britanicca. This book is a common source on wiki and is reliable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.213.87 (talk) 19:15, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Agree with Chiton, you must cite the exact page. On the other hand, I found this comparision of sources regarding the Chaco casualties; the only one focusing on civilian fatalities is Eckhardt. My conclusion is that since the majority of authors specifically mention only combat deaths or at least don't discern between civilians and military personnel, we should refrain from citing Eckhardt per WP:UNDUE.--Darius (talk) 23:37, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Far too much space taken up about a war of little importance
Far too much space and detail was taken up about a war of little importance here. The Chaco War was something along the lines of the Boer War, or the war between Italy and Austria Hungary during 1915 - 18, or the Yom Kippur War. In the big picture, the Chaco War was far less important than the War of the Pacific between Chile, Bolivia, and Peru; the English Civil War, or the Spanish-American War; the Russo-Japanese War; the War of 1812, or the Spanish Civil War. These in turn were far less important than the American Civil War, World War II, World War II, or the Korean War. This article needs to be greatly simplified and shortened. Remember that this version of the Wikipedia needs to be of topics of interest to English-speaking people. 98.81.14.72 (talk) 04:18, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Says who? Besides the American intervention, why was the Korean War more important than say the Russo-Japanese War if it didn't change anything on the ground? Same can be said about the American Civil War as the map before and after the war remained the same. The fact that this is the "English language" wikipedia is irrelevant, as English is de facto lingua franca of the world nowadays.

 * Absolutely disagree on this point. Then you should propose a resizing to the French Revolution page, an event which happened in a non-English speaking country . The goal of Wikipedia is "given free access to the sum of all human knowledge", not just to the knowledge of the English-speaking communities.--Darius (talk) 12:08, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

 * There is no Wikipedia policy stating that "less important" articles should be shorter than "more important" ones. Perhaps the articles you feel are more important could be expanded or have subarticles developed instead of shortening this one. I remeber you that Wikipedia is to cover encyclopedically relvant topics regardless of popular interests, what English-speaking people like is not relevant to limit a certain article. Chiton (talk) 17:23, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Oil
There's absolutely no mention about the involvement of Standard Oil and Royal Dutch Shell in the conflict and the real reason for this war - discovery of oil in the Gran Chaco region. What a shame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.105.155.183 (talk) 18:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Mention of oil and oil companies in the lead
The following sourced statement appears to be under dispute for its inclusion in the lead:
 * The origin of the war is commonly attributed to a conflict between the oil companies Royal Dutch Shell backing Paraguay and Standard Oil supporting Bolivia.[6] Scholar Rafael Archondo dispute claims that the war would have been caused by interests of these companies and emphasizes the aims of Argentina to import oil from the Chaco.[6]

The reader of the article needs from the begining (the lead) understand that war is usually seen as a conflict over oil with Shell and Standard oil being accused of being behind the conflict. While the importance of oil in the conflict is widely acknowledged the Shell vs. Standard oil thesis is disputed but has such importance to understand the views on the war that it is a must in the lead. Dentren |  Ta lk  00:24, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

 * Hi Dentren, my apologies for reverting one of your edits without reading first, my only concern was the inclusion of the Shell and the Standard oil on the infobox, but their current mention on the lede is fine. Best Regards.--Darius (talk) 15:23, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

List of Chaco War firearms
Could someone try link to this article? or is it a case of WP:LISTCRUFT? Gbawden (talk) 10:03, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

"Historiography" section
The main statement of the "Historiography" section reads: "Almost all of the historical work done in both nations is dominated by the "heroic" interpretation with the war being presented simply as a matter of willpower with neither Bolivian nor Paraguayan historians having any interest in other aspects of the war like logistics as a determinate factor." This line contradicts the rest of the article, where an overwhelming number of Spanish-language sources or English-language authors citing works in Spanish describe the war from different aspects (tactical, strategic, economic and yes, logistic). I think the section gives undue weight to the sloppy introduction of Huges article, whose main topic by the way is logistics, not historiography.

It's worth to mention, however, that Hughes only used the term "heroic" in relation to Estigarribia's memoirs; what he actually pointed out is the lack of a great "theoretical framework" about the Chaco War, and that the Spanish language bibliography is scattered in personal narratives from first-hand witnesses of the battles. The understandable focus of Hughes on the scarse English-language sources also fails WP:WORLDVIEW; even a source written in Greek, if reliable, is welcomed here. Another issue, as I wrote above, is that a section which deals with historiography relies on an article whose main topic is logistics. If this section is to stand, it should be rewritten using a more specific source.

The "marxist" dependence theory deserves a chapter apart. The topic is plainly redundant, since it is analysed in depth in the first paragraph of the "Origins" section. The text should be moved there and merged with.--Darius (talk) 23:56, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

"Dependence theory" paragraph already moved to "Origins" section.--Darius (talk) 01:36, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

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Extant indigenous communities
This claim -- "the small nomadic indigenous population of Guaraní-speaking tribes was related to Paraguay's own Guaraní heritage" -- is misleading. The Tapiete and a couple other Chaco communities are speakers of closely related languages, but the vast majority of Chaco indigenous groups who were involved in and affected by the conflict speak unrelated languages. There were attempts by Paraguayan society and academia to assert cultural affiliation with groups like the Maká and Lengua (now Enxet), but Guaranian Chaco groups are and were a small minority. 2803:7D80:A000:8424:5527:3BD5:D470:9B05 (talk) 23:51, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Remove the "supported by" belligerents
Hello everyone, I suggest we get rid of the supporting belligerents in the infobox. First off, there were several more countries involved than the ones currently listed, and mentioning only some seems to give extremely undue weight to them – the Czechoslovak "support" consisted of five volunteers. Meanwhile Russia or Chile, not even mentioned in the infobox, had several dozen military personnel involved! As it stands, the infobox does not reflect the big picture at all in a balanced manner that is to be expected of wikipedia. I would do so myself but I don't know how to handle the refs, as deleting the belligerents from the infobox would orphan the refs or remove them altogeter and they are used elsewhere, it seems? 2A00:1028:8398:9A8E:604F:7C0A:5D63:2784 (talk) 14:05, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

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606 BC

The year 606 BC was a year of the pre-Julian Roman calendar. In the Roman Empire, it was known as year 148 Ab urbe condita. The denomination 606 BC for this year has been used since the early medieval period, when the Anno Domini calendar era became the prevalent method in Europe for naming years.

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 * King Ding of Zhou succeeds King Kuang of Zhou as Zhou Dynasty ruler.

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538 BC

The year 538 BC was a year of the pre-Julian Roman calendar. In the Roman Empire, it was known as year 216 Ab urbe condita. The denomination 538 BC for this year has been used since the early medieval period, when the Anno Domini calendar era became the prevalent method in Europe for naming years.

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 * The Babylonian captivity of the Jews in Babylon ends when Cyrus the Great, king of Persia, allows them to return to Jerusalem under the leadership of Zerubbabel and Joshua the High Priest;  possible start of construction of the Second Temple.

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The article on Nineveh says that the city fell about 625 BC. Which is it?
 * Looks like Nineveh fell in 612 BC. 1 The other dates are probably from a certain 1911 encyclopedia that is often used as a source for these articles. Good catch! --maveric149

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Discrete space

In topology, a discrete space is a particularly simple example of a topological space or similar structure, one in which the points form a, meaning they are isolated from each other in a certain sense. The discrete topology is the finest topology that can be given on a set. Every subset is open in the discrete topology so that in particular, every singleton subset is an open set in the discrete topology.

Definitions
Given a set $$X$$:

A metric space $$(E,d)$$ is said to be uniformly discrete if there exists a  $$r > 0$$ such that, for any $$x,y \in E,$$ one has either $$x = y$$ or $$d(x,y) > r.$$ The topology underlying a metric space can be discrete, without the metric being uniformly discrete: for example the usual metric on the set $$\left\{2^{-n} : n \in \N_0\right\}.$$

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Properties
The underlying uniformity on a discrete metric space is the discrete uniformity, and the underlying topology on a discrete uniform space is the discrete topology. Thus, the different notions of discrete space are compatible with one another. On the other hand, the underlying topology of a non-discrete uniform or metric space can be discrete; an example is the metric space $$X = \{n^{-1} : n \in \N\}$$ (with metric inherited from the real line and given by $$d(x,y) = \left|x - y\right|$$). This is not the discrete metric; also, this space is not complete and hence not discrete as a uniform space. Nevertheless, it is discrete as a topological space. We say that $$X$$ is topologically discrete but not uniformly discrete or metrically discrete.

Additionally:
 * The topological dimension of a discrete space is equal to 0.
 * A topological space is discrete if and only if its singletons are open, which is the case if and only if it doesn't contain any accumulation points.
 * The singletons form a basis for the discrete topology.
 * A uniform space $$X$$ is discrete if and only if the diagonal $$\{(x,x) : x \in X\}$$ is an entourage.
 * Every discrete topological space satisfies each of the separation axioms; in particular, every discrete space is Hausdorff, that is, separated.
 * A discrete space is compact if and only if it is finite.
 * Every discrete uniform or metric space is complete.
 * Combining the above two facts, every discrete uniform or metric space is totally bounded if and only if it is finite.
 * Every discrete metric space is bounded.
 * Every discrete space is first-countable; it is moreover second-countable if and only if it is countable.
 * Every discrete space is totally disconnected.
 * Every non-empty discrete space is second category.
 * Any two discrete spaces with the same cardinality are homeomorphic.
 * Every discrete space is metrizable (by the discrete metric).
 * A finite space is metrizable only if it is discrete.
 * If $$X$$ is a topological space and $$Y$$ is a set carrying the discrete topology, then $$X$$ is evenly covered by $$X \times Y$$ (the projection map is the desired covering)
 * The subspace topology on the integers as a subspace of the real line is the discrete topology.
 * A discrete space is separable if and only if it is countable.
 * Any topological subspace of $$\mathbb{R}$$ (with its usual Euclidean topology) that is discrete is necessarily countable.

Any function from a discrete topological space to another topological space is continuous, and any function from a discrete uniform space to another uniform space is uniformly continuous. That is, the discrete space $$X$$ is free on the set $$X$$ in the category of topological spaces and continuous maps or in the category of uniform spaces and uniformly continuous maps. These facts are examples of a much broader phenomenon, in which discrete structures are usually free on sets.

With metric spaces, things are more complicated, because there are several categories of metric spaces, depending on what is chosen for the morphisms. Certainly the discrete metric space is free when the morphisms are all uniformly continuous maps or all continuous maps, but this says nothing interesting about the metric structure, only the uniform or topological structure. Categories more relevant to the metric structure can be found by limiting the morphisms to Lipschitz continuous maps or to short maps; however, these categories don't have free objects (on more than one element). However, the discrete metric space is free in the category of bounded metric spaces and Lipschitz continuous maps, and it is free in the category of metric spaces bounded by 1 and short maps. That is, any function from a discrete metric space to another bounded metric space is Lipschitz continuous, and any function from a discrete metric space to another metric space bounded by 1 is short.

Going the other direction, a function $$f$$ from a topological space $$Y$$ to a discrete space $$X$$ is continuous if and only if it is locally constant in the sense that every point in $$Y$$ has a neighborhood on which $$f$$ is constant.

Every ultrafilter $$\mathcal{U}$$ on a non-empty set $$X$$ can be associated with a topology $$\tau = \mathcal{U} \cup \left\{ \varnothing \right\}$$ on $$X$$ with the property that non-empty proper subset $$S$$ of $$X$$ is  an open subset or else a closed subset, but never both. Said differently, subset is open or closed but (in contrast to the discrete topology) the  subsets that are  open and closed (i.e. clopen) are $$\varnothing$$ and $$X$$. In comparison, subset of $$X$$ is open and closed in the discrete topology.

Examples and uses
A discrete structure is often used as the "default structure" on a set that doesn't carry any other natural topology, uniformity, or metric; discrete structures can often be used as "extreme" examples to test particular suppositions. For example, any group can be considered as a topological group by giving it the discrete topology, implying that theorems about topological groups apply to all groups. Indeed, analysts may refer to the ordinary, non-topological groups studied by algebraists as "discrete groups". In some cases, this can be usefully applied, for example in combination with Pontryagin duality. A 0-dimensional manifold (or differentiable or analytic manifold) is nothing but a discrete and countable topological space (an uncountable discrete space is not second-countable). We can therefore view any discrete countable group as a 0-dimensional Lie group.

A product of countably infinite copies of the discrete space of natural numbers is homeomorphic to the space of irrational numbers, with the homeomorphism given by the continued fraction expansion. A product of countably infinite copies of the discrete space $\{0,1\}$ is homeomorphic to the Cantor set; and in fact uniformly homeomorphic to the Cantor set if we use the product uniformity on the product. Such a homeomorphism is given by using ternary notation of numbers. (See Cantor space.) Every fiber of a locally injective function is necessarily a discrete subspace of its domain.

In the foundations of mathematics, the study of compactness properties of products of $$\{0,1\}$$ is central to the topological approach to the ultrafilter lemma (equivalently, the Boolean prime ideal theorem), which is a weak form of the axiom of choice.

Indiscrete spaces
In some ways, the opposite of the discrete topology is the trivial topology (also called the indiscrete topology), which has the fewest possible open sets (just the empty set and the space itself). Where the discrete topology is initial or free, the indiscrete topology is final or cofree: every function from a topological space to an indiscrete space is continuous, etc.

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Nomination of Baguio (disambiguation) for deletion
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Nomination of Torenth (fictional) for deletion
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Nomination of Javan Haldane for deletion
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Proposed deletion of Maia (Middle-earth)

The article Maia (Middle-earth) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern: "Fictional being/race. No indication of passing WP:GNG/WP:NFICTION. Pure WP:PLOT"

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Proposed deletion of Aulë

The article Aulë has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern: "No indication this fictional character passes WP:GNG/WP:NFICTION. Pure WP:PLOT."

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Proposed deletion of Nandor (Middle-earth)

The article Nandor (Middle-earth) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern: "No evidence this fictional group of characters passes WP:GNG/WP:NFICTION. Pure WP:PLOT"

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Nomination of Nandor (Middle-earth) for deletion
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Nomination of Aulë for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Aulë is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Proposed deletion of Ulmo

The article Ulmo has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern: "Fails GNG/NFICTION. Pure WP:PLOT. Suggest soft delete by redirecting to Vala_(Middle-earth)"

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Proposed deletion of Manwë

The article Manwë has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern: "Fails GNG/NFICTION. Pure WP:PLOT. Suggest soft delete by redirecting to Vala_(Middle-earth)"

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Proposed deletion of Edain

The article Edain has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern: "No indication this fictional race passes WP:NFICTION/WP:GNG. Pure WP:PLOT. BEFORE fails to show anything that's not a mention in passing/fictional bio summary."

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Nomination of Edain for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Edain is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Proposed deletion of Celeborn

The article Celeborn has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern: "No indication this very minor supporting character passes WP:NFICTION/WP:GNG. Pure WP:PLOT"

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Proposed deletion of Nienna

The article Nienna has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern: "No indication this very minor supporting character passes WP:NFICTION/WP:GNG. Pure WP:PLOT"

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Proposed deletion of Yavanna

The article Yavanna has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern: "No indication this minor supporting character passes WP:NFICTION/WP:GNG. Pure WP:PLOT"

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Proposed deletion of Varda

The article Varda has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern: "No indication this very minor supporting character passes WP:NFICTION/WP:GNG. Pure WP:PLOT"

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Nomination of Manwë for deletion
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Nomination of Ulmo for deletion
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Proposed deletion of Ossë

The article Ossë has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern: "Fictional character. No evidence of stand-alone notability. Not a shred of analysis. Pure WP:PLOT and list of appearances in media. Fails WP:PLOT, WP:GNG, WP:NFICTION. BEFORE shows nothing that's not in passing or a plot summary."

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Nomination of Celeborn for deletion
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Nomination of Varda for deletion
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Nomination of Ossë for deletion
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"Octagon, disambiguation" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Octagon, disambiguation. Since you had some involvement with the Octagon, disambiguation redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. DannyS712 (talk) 06:13, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Aman (Tolkien) for deletion
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Nomination of Calaquendi for deletion
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Speedy deletion nomination of Talk:Carl XVI Gustaf

A tag has been placed on Talk:Carl XVI Gustaf requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

"I don't think this page is needed."

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Nomination of The Miracle Worker for deletion
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"BokmaalAndNynorsk" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BokmaalAndNynorsk&redirect=no BokmaalAndNynorsk] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. 〜 Festucalex  •  talk  06:03, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Robert Stroud
Robert Stroud has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:04, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Norfolk, Virginia
Norfolk, Virginia has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 02:54, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Portland Trail Blazers
Portland Trail Blazers has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 20:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

title: User talk:Zoe