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HI anthere my datials you asked for Oguntimehin .A. Ariyo a  born in Lagos, graduated from Auchi  polytechnic Edo state, majored in painting 2000.He has a post graduate Diploma in Education [PGDE]2006.He further studied photography from Nigeria institute of journalism [photo journalism]2010.He is a recipient of state Merit Award From Benue State Nigeria. He has facilitated various Art and Photography workshops and seminars, with University of Lagos Sponsored by [OYASAF] Omooba Yemisi  Shyllon Art Foundation, Greenhouse Art Gallery. E.t.c .He was a jury in Ufuk Dialogue Foundation Organizer of The Art for Peace Project  in Turkey. He has documented most fast disappearing festivals in Nigeria and Benin Republic. He has more than 55 thousand shot of indigenous shoots of Nigeria cultural festival Presently he works as an Artist, Documentary Photographer, and He is a free Lance Photojournalist. Professional Membership                                                                                society of Nigeria Artist Artzero group								                        			AWARD									                                           Benue state Merit Award Winner 2002 								                                                    1st runner up winner of photography competition of Omooba Yemisi Shyllon Art Foundation,[oyasaf] Etisalat photography competition [finalist]

Oguntimehin Adeyemi Ariyo
hello, how did u get all those pretty pics on ur screen? im new & i need help! --The lil lady with the hat 22:35, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

 Historiques dans... archives

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Mike Godwin's RfA
Hi Florence, this might interest you: Requests for adminship/Mikegodwin. It's attracted a fair amount of controversy, with some people suggesting that Jimbo, in his role as a steward and board member, should simply grant Mike Godwin administrator rights directly, rather than making him go through an RfA. There's also a thread on the bureaucrat's noticeboard. Me and Cecropia have declined to speedy promote him. Your thoughts on the matter would be appreciated. --Deskana (banana) 18:50, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * done Anthere 23:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

 * [[Image:WikiThanks.png|43px|left|WikiThanks]] Thank you! That was getting to be a distraction. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 23:46, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Florence. --Deskana (banana) 00:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

And one for you
I wish I knew the species. I found it at the Singapore botanical gardens. Durova Charge! 13:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Contact info
hmmmm, you may ask a question here if it is relevant to the english Wikipedia policy. It probably is not confidential. For other businesses, you can check the contact page on http://wikimediafoundation.org

Best

Anthere

Johann Hari page
Hi. This is a quick note about the editing of the Johann Hari page, which I know you've helpfully intervened on in the past.

As reading though the page's history will show, the user Felix-Felix has described Hari as "a self-publicising careerist, and an especially unpleasant one at that", accused him of being in favour of "the destruction of Untermenschen" (when in fact he is an Amnesty International award-winner), inserted fictitious claims he went to the most exclusive public school in Britain when in fact his father is a bus driver, and, most crucially, inserted poorly sourced claims that he "fabricated" a story he wrote about.

This is a pattern of falsehood and animus that really worries me. This user is now insisting on his right to reinsert the claims that hari farbricated a story, sourcing them to a magazine that wiki administrators have already said is not reliable. What can I do in this situation? - DavidR81.129.156.202 12:33, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Dave r has been smearing me with these accusations, one of which is false, the other taken out of context, and utterly irrelevant. He has also posted this defamatory message on multiple other user talk pages; . This is starting to feel a little like harassment, and not in a good way. Felix Felix talk 14:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

stats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dragons_flight/Log_analysis

Wikimedia NL
Again, sorry about the coffee. How do you like our article? Can you add some of the URLs in your presentation to the external links section? I also know you said you were interested in getting the presentation reworked with some wiki details, we have one or two contributors who'd be interested in doing that - so if I can point them in the right direction... --Brianmc —Preceding comment was added at 10:22, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Closure of Volapük Wikipedia
Dear Florence,

I address you to ask for your intervention in a delicate subject. As you may know, there is a proposal to close the Volapük Wikipedia. This wiki recently surpassed 100K articles and therefore its presence was noticeable.

It happens that this voting is based not upon the wiki itself, its lack of active users (they do exist), its lack of contents (it does have contents) but on a war of opinions. As I could perceive, all this started because users at German Wikipedia didn't like interwikis to Volapük Wikipedia. They discriminate Volapük as an obscure language and therefore shouldn't be visible to German users. So, as they can't choose what interwikis to put on articles (a bot will eventually put them back), they decided that closing vowiki was the only chance they had to remove the interwikis from their articles. In my opinion, destroying other people's work just because you don't want some interwiki on your pages looks to me at least childish. And I thought interwikis were exactly to make other projects' existence known to users. Why ban an interwiki?

Another matter under discussion is that 'article creation with bots is evil'. All users against article creation with bots are voting in favor of closing the vowiki. It's true that vowiki unfortunately has most of its articles created by a bot (mainly cities in USA, France, etc.). But this has become the main issue of the voting: people are voting whether it's acceptable to use bots to create stubs or not, not closing vowik. In this matter, I don't even think closing a project for this reason is acceptable. One could just eventually delete the articles in this situation and let the project in a healthier state. Why close a project that has the means to advance but just because some other wikis' users are against some of the policies used in vowiki? There are bots creating articles in this fashion in many other wikis: Portuguese (my own native language) is doing it right now, Lombard has done it already, booming their article count. Why is Volapük any different? I'm afraid that, if Volapük Wikipedia is closed for this reason, a precedent will be opened and the supporters of this closure will advance to close other smaller wikis (as it seems to be their will).

I would like to reassure you by saying that at this moment, no articles are being created by a bot. Moreover, many of the 1000 top articles are being made by human users. Volapük was the first artificial language to have impact in human society. It had a thriving time in the 19th century but know it's hardly known to most people. Although there are just a few speakers worldwide nowadays (enwiki mentions around 30 but without citing a source; the yahoo mailing list volapuk although has nearly 200 members), the language still lives and the project has contributors.

As this voting can only end up in keeping the vowiki or closing it, without any other choice, I would like to ask you to intervene. Closing the project is not necessary. It would be the last of the remedies. If one thinks something should be done about it, why not just solve the interwiki problem by allowing projects to reject interwikis to other projects (if this is acceptable), and why not eventually delete bot created stubs to world cities, reducing the article count drasticaly?

I have my conscience clean: I adhered recently to the Volapük Wikipedia project. The bot created articles were already there and many were being added by another user and still I continued working on it. Whether it may be questionable if that user acted correctly with the creation of these stubs by a bot, it's no reason to close a project for good.

My best regards, Malafaya 10:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC) vo:User:Malafaya

Fundraiser idea
Hi there (ou bonjour, si on veut parler en francais :P). It popped into my head while I was skimming through the server list that it would be a great idea to offer server vanity naming of numbered servers (like "srv14" to "joanne," "mouse," or whatever) to high-dollar donations as a token of appreciation to people who donate large sums of money to the project.

I would suggest, however, in the interest of keeping everything in the spirit of the wiki, that there be a couple tentative restrictions on naming, like no corporate names, no obscenity, no trademarks, and basically all of the stuff prohibited in username policy. Plus, due to DNS concerns, names would need to be constrained to a-z, 0-9, and hyphens. Tech-wise, nothing would need to change except a redundant forward entry to the IP-- and even that would be optional, since most of the servers are private networks and wouldn't make sense to resolve outside the network. Though, the marketing value of people being able to say, "I helped run a server at wikipedia" is pretty cool, particularly as new servers are purchased. We might even consider sending the donor a picture of the server just for fun. :)

Obviously, the donor wouldn't own the server or even have access to it, so it's really just a superficial token of thanks-- kind of like naming of buildings on college campuses and such. Anyway, I just figured I'd toss that idea your way and let you to decide to either run with it or toss it. Cheers =) -- slakr  \ talk / 23:59, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

eheh, funny idea :-) I remember that a long time ago, I insisted that a new server be called from a french female encyclopedist. Outcome, the server never worked. I think it is just as with boat. Never name a server a female name if you do not want to bring disaster on the boat. Anyway, yeah, the idea is worth exploring. We do that with famous rose variety. Why not our database servers ? Anthere 17:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

ArbCom age restriction
I don't know if you're already aware of this matter, but with ArbCom elections approaching there has been some discussion about whether the Foundation Access to nonpublic data policy should be interpreted as excluding persons under 18 from appointment to ArbCom. Although they would not need access to checkuser or oversight tools, the usual discussions between Arbitrators are likely to expose them to private data. The discussion is occuring at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2007 - WMF input may be helpful. WjBscribe 21:04, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * yeah, good idea. I'll ask Mike. Thanks

Ombudsman

 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mackensen
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Herbythyme
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rebecca
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lar
 * http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hei_ber

I'm quite surprised to be asked - thank you. I'd be happy to act in the role if needed, although I worry that I might be a touch too controversial for the role. If you think otherwise, however, I'd be fine with it, and wouldn't necessarily mind ceasing to act as a CU. As for the confirmation of identity - you should already have it, as I sent a copy of my drivers license to the foundation when the board passed the resolution that all CUs had to have confirmed identities. Rebecca (talk) 22:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Ditto Rebecca; I'm touched (and surprised) to be asked. I would also be happy and willing to serve on the commission, and would have no problem ceasing to act as a checkuser for the duration. Per the board's resolution I sent a copy of my driver's license to the foundation last summer. Best, Mackensen (talk) 22:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Moldovan
Hello Anthere. The statss of the Moldovan Wikipedia was not changed until this day. Allthough the decision was to close this Wikipedia, see. The site is blocked from editing, but it was never deleted. Still, if it can't be deleted, than please (if you can) revert the use of "Moldovan language interface" to the Romanian or English interface so that the first page displayed it would be the "Main Page", and not the current "Паӂина принчипалэ".

     Editarea paginilor în această Wikipedie este blocată. Vă invităm să vizitaţi http://ro.wikipedia.org.

Thank you! --Danutz (talk) 18:56, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

RFCU
Anthere, I must confess I was sorely disappointed at your comment Requests for checkuser/Case/The dépeceur of Bergen. Please consider the following: What exactly would the checkuser report have revealed that could have been used by anyone other than law enforcement? While you make not like some of what goes on at english, your comments in a RFCU was, in my opinion misplaced. If we are to loosen the CU policy, it should come through a thorough community debate. I suspect we should have some policy in place for these events and would support such. But I think your comments were not productive in this case. I appreciate that you are the ED and I am just volunteer, but I do appreciate your reading these comments. Thank you. -JodyBtalk 01:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * There was no way our checkusers could know about the mess at the french wikipedia.
 * Threats, even of violence, are not unheard of here.
 * The policy is clear that checkusers are to operate strictly within the bounds of the policy. The user was asking that he be given the ip address.
 * There is no policy to fall back on here.
 * The user was told to contact his local law enforcement which is only way a complaint can be initiated.
 * I am confused by what you say, because at the time I read the page, the text was fully mentionning the reference to the french wikipedia, with a link to the page where there is a full report of the whole situation. At the time I read the page, there was also a link to the meta page where the issue is mentionned. And there was also specifically a mention saying "no checkuser needed" (which is definitly surprising to me). There was no recommandation to the guy to go send an email to OTRS, nor suggestion to go to the police. It simply suggested to report the case to the admins. What can the admins do in this case ? What bugs me really is that, if we take a step backward, here is someone coming over to report a death threat and his concerns appear dismissed.
 * I have no problem with the CU saying that they can not give the information directly to the user. I am perfectly fine with this and I appreciate all of you respect the privacy policy. This is great. What I am concerned about is that to the one asking, it is just a dismissal.
 * JodyB, I am sorry you feel disappointed. But 1) according to the request I saw, CU could know about the mess at the french wiki, 2) threats of violence, even if usual, are wrong, 3) I did not say to give him the address, I said to do a CU (my fault, I was not specific in my words sufficiently at all, I should have said "investigate and discuss", sorry, my fault, 4) you are correct, my bad, 5) when I wrote my comment, no one had told him to contact the police. So you are right on some points and I am right on others. Anthere (talk) 13:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC):::
 * I am now much more reluctant to check accounts, due to your own calls for tightening of the usage of checkuser on the English Wikipedia, specifically. Cases do not normally contain requests to divulge IPs, which is something that the WMF protects under the Privacy Policy. As such checks can be carried out so that they do not fall under the jurisdiction of the Privacy Policy. At the time of this request, no mention was made of contacting law enforcement, so what section of the policy should I be releasing the data under? Section 5 perhaps, but again no mention was made of formulating an abuse complaint. I understand totally the seriousness of this case (I've had death threats from users in my area in the past), but I'm getting increasingly confused by simultaneous calls for more privacy and more reluctant use of the tool, and calls to release data where it does not neatly fit into one of the allowed circumstances of the Privacy Policy. People will bite my head off if I say too much, and people will also bite my head off if I say too little, and these areas overlap so much that I'm getting bitten no matter what I do. I'm getting messages from you to release data (even when it doesn't fit nicely into the Privacy Policy) and messages from checkusers on other projects saying I'm violating the privacy policy even when I don't actually release any data, and referring said cases to the Ombudsman Commission for investigation. Frankly, I'm not only extremely frustrated, I'm extremely confused. Perhaps the policy should be rewritten, so that checkusers aren't left feeling so confused and frustrated. --Deskana (talk) 02:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Deskana, I am very sorry because I was not polite enough. I should have voiced my concerns differently. I think your reaction of not giving the information was perfectly right. What I was annoyed at was the answer he got. Frankly, when a good editor is scared and looking for support, it was not really a supportive answer. There is no need to rewrite the policy on such point, but I simply wish to avoid seeing good users quitting the project just because they are scared and not getting support. I would hope so much to see that we can give decent answers to threats :-(((( Anthere (talk) 13:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I could do with being less abrupt. Unfortunately that's a product of the fact that I deal with a lot of cases, and of the fact that I can be quite abrupt anyway, even when I didn't mean to. I'll try to be less abrupt in future. Is that your only concern? I am perfectly happy to try to address that. I'm sorry for the somewhat snarky post of mine above, since seems we agree on the privacy issue. --Deskana (talk) 18:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Anthere. I'm User:Alison, a relatively new CheckUser here on enwiki. Per the above case, I took advice from Mike Godwin, our legal counsel, and am assured that I can not reveal personal indentifying information, including IP addresses, at this time without a court order. I'm really sorry for what has happened here; it's disgusting and totally inexcusable. Sickening.

 * What I have done is followed up on the case and done my utmost to assist and to reveal as much as we legally can here to address this editor's very genuine and serious concerns. There is no information I can glean from the IP address as to where the location of the offending editor is, so I cannot state where they may or may not be. I found one other account which is now also blocked. I wish there was more we could do here but there really isn't. I'm so sorry - Alis o n  ❤ 04:13, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you Alison Anthere (talk)

An article that needs a little bit of love, that you might remember from way back.
Hi Anthere. I wonder if you could take a look at Gaia philosophy. It is a bit worse for the wear, and could do with gently removing some of the bits that are really word for word repetition from other sections of the article, and other smoothing over of the prose to flow more freely. I remember you thought it was important to have a nice article about it here on wikipedia.

Right now it is a bit rough around the edges, and should be given a bit of care. I may help a bit, but since I don't know the subject matter, any things which are better improved by changing the structure of the article, would be beyond me, and in the cases where the same text is in two places, I likely as not wouldn't know which is the best place for it. -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 05:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

 * okay ;-) Anthere (talk)

Welcome to WikiProject Agriculture
Sorry to take so long getting a welcome message out to you. I've been dealing with the "real world" for the last couple months and therefore on a sort of informal wikibreak. Please look around the project page from time to time for things that need work and also add things of your own that you notice that others might want to help with or comment on. Do you have any particular interests? I notice you are collecting resources, are you familiar with the citation forms on Wikipedia?--Doug.(talk • contribs) 01:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Foundation, decision and tea cup
Please don't let a little grumpiness at WP:AN discourage you or your developer. The vast majority of en.wikipedians very much appreciate both your efforts, regardless of our position on one side or the other in our tea cup. -- A. B. (talk) 17:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * thanks :-) Anthere (talk) 22:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Anthere
Please take a look here. That wording, unfortunately, isn't compliant with local policies on articles. Lawrence §  t / e  08:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

The way to correct a problem is to correct the reality and not just spin-doctor the issue. You want wikipedia to republish a reliable published report that wikia and wikimedia are seperate? Then get a reliable publication to say so. New York Times would be good. A news release from an involved party saying so is worthless. WAS 4.250 (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I would also add that you are in violation of WP:COI, and it will be an embarrassment before the mainstream media when this surfaces. You may wish to consider "oversighting" your more recent edits to the article space proper. -- 72.94.165.206 (talk) 04:28, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I BEG YOUR PARDON ? Oversight should be used only for important matters. Such as violation of private information on people. Or recipe to make a nuclear bomb. Anything really dangerous. There is nothing dangerous in what I wrote. Everything is correct, even if Wikipedia prefers not to report reality. There is nothing for me to be ashamed of. I only reported reality. And this is what I already say to the press anyway. So, it makes no sense to oversight what I wrote. I hope no one would have the bad idea to do that, because I would not only consider that being censorship, but in a more pragmatic way, a real misuse of the tool. Anthere (talk) 10:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think Anthere's wish to clarify this based on her own knowledge of the matter is totally understandable. Its is why we should always be sensitive to people who point out that our articles are incorrect on matters about which they have personal knowledge. However, our policy on verifiability requires that material be referenced to third party sources. Where those sources have got it wrong, we are at the moment required to also have it wrong. That is unappealing, but the alternative is to open to door to a lot of the original research we struggle to avoid. Although not entirely satisfactory, that is the position we are at. Anthere has agreed not to edit the article further, I think that is wise. But there is no scandal here, nor should anyone be embarassed. If this sparks further debate about how we should deal with clear errors in the references used in Wikipedia articles it is a good thing. Especially as the print media is now getting rather lazy at using Wikipedia as a source. We face the problem that incorrect original research can be added to an article, picked up by the press and printed as fact, and that someone who then tries to correct the information is rebutted by another user who is able to quote a third party source to support the incorrect information. That is a scenario that must have seemed fairly unlikely when our verifiability and original research policies were drafted. WjBscribe 04:56, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I can live with the article in its current state. Anthere (talk)

Verifiability
Hi Anthere, I saw you express some frustration at the Verifiability policy. This is just to let you know that material that's self-published by Wikia e.g. a press release, or a statement on its website, is allowed to be used as a source in the article. The policy allows self-published material that was written by the subject of the article — with some restrictions, which are listed here — and as that part of the article directly concerns the Foundation, a press release from the Foundation would be acceptable too.

The point of the "verifiability, not truth" provision is just to make sure that Wikipedia is never a first publisher of information. We always need to be able to point to where we took our material from. It helps to keep the project safe.

Hope this helps. SlimVirgin (talk) (contribs) 07:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Okay, I'm setting the troll meter to "2.5" here (please don't permaban me!), but... the exceptions that SlimVirgin points to above include:

 * it does not involve claims about third parties
 * So, if Wikia issues a press release that posits claims about the Wikimedia Foundation, isn't that such an exception? Similarly, if the Wikimedia Foundation issues a release about Wikia, that would be a third party claim, as well.

 * Yes, and if they disagreed with each other, that would be an issue, but as they agree, it's fine. SlimVirgin  (talk) (contribs) 01:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Another exception is:
 * it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject
 * Now here, we're getting into a pretty tight logical spiral into oblivion, right? If Wikia is "not related" to the Wikimedia Foundation, how can the claim be anything but "not directly related" to the subject?  Likewise for the reverse scenario.
 * The discussion about the relationship, if any, between the organizations is clearly "related" to them. :-) SlimVirgin  (talk) (contribs) 01:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Sorry, but why doesn't Jimbo call up one of his many sycophants friends in the mainstream media, and get them to stake their professional reputation on exactly defining how unrelated Wikia is to the Wikimedia Foundation, and then we'll have a neutral, independent source to cite here in our article? -- 68.87.42.110 (talk) 19:11, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia Foundation non-free image deadline
Hi there. Please see: I also wonder if you would be able to advise on the best way to get clarification of the Foundation Licensing policy? The points I've raised here concern historical images and some mentions I've seen of a deadline. What I've said over there is as follows:"'[What] about this bit of the policy? 'Such EDPs must be minimal. Their use, with limited exception, should be to illustrate historically significant events...' - it says right there: 'to illustrate historically significant events'. [...] Also, I've seen people say that there is a deadline of 'March 23, 2008' to sort all this out, but in fact that deadline is currently written as a subclause of point 6. ie. It only applies to projects without an EDP. 'For the projects which currently do not have an EDP in place, the following action shall be taken [...] By March 23, 2008, all existing files under an unacceptable license as per the above must either be accepted under an EDP, or shall be deleted.' This may just be a mistake in the layout of the Licensing Policy, but if this is so, it needs to be changed and the change widely advertised.'" As well as the 'deadline' confusion, my concern is also over historical images. I would be grateful if you could bring these points to the attention of the board if this needs clarification.
 * Administrators' noticeboard

The above was written in August 2007 (the bit about historical images can be ignored for the moment - it is the deadline that needs clarification at board level) and left here, but got no response (as far as I can tell). For obvious reasons, it would be good if you, or other members of the Wikimedia Board of Trustees, could comment at the Administrators' noticeboard discussion, or find your way to where-ever the discussion ends up. I've notified the other Board Members where they have en-wiki user pages. Carcharoth (talk) 10:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response at the AN thread. I've replied over there, but wanted to repeat one specific point here: is it at all possible for you to make sure the other board members I contacted (and Erik) are aware of this, and possibly the former board members you mention if you think they would be interested)? I know some of them may not check their en-wiki pages very often, and I don't have accounts on the other projects. Obviously what you said may be enough, but I like to know that they were at least aware of what I'd said and don't discover my message months later! :-) Carcharoth (talk) 12:22, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * yes, I'll put a message to the board Anthere (talk) 13:56, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your clarification on AN and for contacting the other board members. Your comments have clarified the situation significantly for me. Cheers! Vassyana (talk) 15:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

About the Wikia article.
An outside neutral opinion here and I think I somewhat understand your frustration.

I generally think editing Wikipedia is futile, but the pursuit still has meaning (see Absurdism). I commented on the talkpage there.

If you'd like to work on the article again, I'd be willing to help. ☯ Zenwhat (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

the article on agriculture really sucks
At http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2008-March/039751.html you say:

 * "the article on agriculture really sucks. That's a shame, this is just such an obvious article available in any encyclopedia" (with "Agriculture" just an example)."

POV pushing by protected regulars (in this case animal rights POV) drives away editors and makes a relative wasteland of some areas of Wikipedia. See the talk page at Factory farming or Articles for deletion/Challenges and issues of industrial agriculture for the stomach turning reality of trying to create content at wikipedia in any area where someone has a POV to push. WAS 4.250 (talk) 22:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

designated agent
With regard to changing the foundation's designated agent, you may care to read The US Government's copyright office's page on Online Service Providers - Service Provider Designation of Agent to Receive Notification of Claims of Infringement. Certain rules must be followed in order to take advantage of the protections afforded by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. For example, "An Interim Designation or an Amended Designation must be accompanied by an $80 fee". Our former filing in 2005 shows we paid $30 then. WAS 4.250 (talk) 03:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * yeah. Well, I just found another argument to speed up the process of changing the registration. It mentions an email address which is non fonctionnal... ouch Anthere (talk) 11:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:Echinops.jpg
An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:Echinops.jpg, has been listed at Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the image description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. <font color="CEBE70">MECU ≈ talk 14:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:Muscaris-2.JPG
An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:Muscaris-2.JPG, has been listed at Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the image description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. <font color="CEBE70">MECU ≈ talk 19:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. Could you go through all your images that you uploaded and remove any others that fall under the same situation as well? Images like Image:RhodoP.jpg. Thanks for understanding. <font color="CEBE70">MECU ≈ talk 13:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Cosmos tubulaire.jpg deleted
It appears that has been deleted again. See a notice on, and a very short discussion at. Sorry I didn't notice in time to alert you before the image was deleted. —AlanBarrett 20:37, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

privacy policy
I just saw your post in the Village Pump (Policy) about the WMF board resolution on changes to the privacy policy (I somehow missed the original post a week ago and just saw it in the archive right now). Thank you very much for adding this item to the board's agenda and for acting on my proposal! I really appreciate it! Nsk92 (talk) 03:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Oath of office
I notice that the board and community and staff are discussing an oath of office for the board members. Perhaps you will find http://www.barefootsworld.net/sui_juris/oath_of_office.html to be a source of inspiration. I'm very sorry that you have chosen to leave the board; I think we would be in much worse shape if not for you. Thank you for all you have done. WAS 4.250 (talk) 22:53, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

hi
well, this is one of the most random discussion I am starting but I couldn't help it. I was browsing (well, thats all you do when you are new to wikipedia, right?) through one of the many pages of wikipedia when I came across this list and was shocked to find my name already (even though I hadn't inserted there). Anyways, the only other name for 10th of September was yours and so I decided to have a glance at your userpage and what I find is a personality to succeed Jimbo himself. So thought would drop you a message. Wanted you to know that it feels really nice to find such a great personality I share my bday with. Cheers. Tarun2k (talk) 01:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Photo of Saami costumes
Hello, I noticed your photo on Wikimedia commons of two men wearing "Saami" costumes. This photo is now used as an illustration in several wikipedia articles on the Saami peoples in different languages.

Unfortunately, the costumes worn by the men in the pictures seem not be Saami costumes - they are instead fake costumes created by the tourism industry in Lapland. The decorations in authentic Saami costumes are very clearly defined, and reveal from which area the person wearing the costume comes from.

Moreover, I should point out that fake Saami costumes are used by the tourism industry in Finland only, not in the other Nordic countries. This practice is widely concidered misuse of the costume and insulting by the Saami. Hence, this photo is not a suitable illustration of Saami costumes; maybe a comment should be added to the photo in commons stating that the costumes are not authentic Saami costumes. Best, --AAikio (talk) 03:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * hello, I answered on your talk page. Cheers Anthere (talk)

Trophic dynamics
Hi Anthere. Way back, on 23 October 2002, you created the original version of the article on trophic dynamics. If you look at what the current version has to say about global primary biomass, you will see that it still uses the same figures that you originally entered. This may have receded too far into distant history – but can you tell me your source for these figures? (I can't find sources more recent than 1975!) --Geronimo20 (talk) 20:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * hello, I answered on your talk page. Cheers Anthere (talk) 22:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Hate and Denialist Speech
First and foremost I would like to sincerely ask you for your help. Your input and patience is appreciated. I want to bring to your attention this. HD86 has made numerous comments such as "The Assyrians are EXTINCT people of ancient Mesopotamia whose name was stolen by some modern politicians and used in reference to the modern Syriacs. To label the modern Syriacs by "Assyrians" and to claim that "The Assyrian people trace their origins to the population of the pre-Islamic Levant" is indeed stupidity in its purest form." These comments are inflammatory, racist, unhistprical and outrageous. This user continues to deny that a whole race even exists. He needs to be wiki disciplined. This is unacceptable inflammtory denialist behavior. The equivalent of his statments would be that jews or arabs do not exist. Do you not see the point. His languge is very hateful and dimeaning to those of us involved in the project. If you take a look at his history he has similar incompetent statemetns regarding other controverisal topics. I ask for assistance in order to remove this hateful user from this discussion. He has denied the existence of an entire race that through ample ancient and modern evidence has existed for thousands of years. I will be waiting for your response. Ninevite (talk) 02:20, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

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Biodiversity finance
That's right, no such article. And given the mess at monetary reform, monetary policy, fractional-reserve banking, criticisms of fractional-reserve banking, that's for a reason - Wikipedia is presently infested with goldbugs. To deal with this nasty POV problem, and incidentally save the world by spreading accurate information on how our monetary system is presently eating our ecosystems alive to spew out crap, we, trolls, respectfully (!) request your attention to this and to underlying biodiversity pages to be sure that monetary policy, natural capital, nature's services and so on are accurately linked. You did amazing work getting the ecology and biodiversity stuff together years ago, now it's time to use your world class troll herding skills to save Wikipedia's reputation for accurate representation of the current monetary system - and crisis. Because doing this right might well save us all.

Much love...

 * eheh, long time no see :-)

Thuraya
nice pic of the satphone you got there :) 86.43.88.90 (talk) 16:17, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

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Request for usurp on
Anthere, I'd like to unify my new account but to do so need to usurp an account fr:Utilisateur:Djanga (not currently mine). Can you help please? Regards. Djanga (talk) 06:37, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * See Steward_requests/Usurpation. Djanga (talk) 06:39, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, to you or whoever fixed it. Djanga 02:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Flagged revisions

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Barnstars
Lol. Yeah, context Guillom. Context.... Anthere (talk) (who should not have talked about the Gift Economy to avoid that ;))

Wiki Project Meteorology, Climatology and Ecosystems
I have created the Wiki Project Meteorology, Climatology and Ecosystems, I was wondering if you would be able to help on the project? It's aimed to be a project to bring many under one label, as currently there are many projects under diferent titles that have similar purposes. Help would be much apreciated. Mark999 16:11, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

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Blog
Where's your blog? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.170.157.188 (talk) 02:18, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Dead. I was hosted by a stupid hosting company, which succeeded to disperse the blog content on two different databases. Whilst I can click on a button to say "download a dump of my blog database", I am completely unable to save two databases contents then past it back together to have only one. I have tried without success for 6 months and could not find anyone to help me. Finally, last week, I tried to save the content the best I could and entirely closed my account at this fabulous hosting company. When I have time, I'll try to restore it, but I have little hope to retrieve it. At least, I have a "text" version of all the posts... and I'll paste some of my past post somewhere. I intend to open a new one in the very near future at the same original web address. I might create a sort of "archive" section to dump the old stuff ;)

Meanwhile, my main site is here http://www.devouard.com (in French) and I am currently working on a very simple and quick speaker website, which is already opened (beta version of course) at http://speaker.devouard.com (in English).

Cheers Anthere (talk) 18:42, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

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Link to User:Drsjpdc

Pale Blue Dot

Plagiarism
Hello guys,

According to a rumor, it seems a book will be published soon (in French), which will contain chunks of texts clearly from Wikipedia. According to some, it will be the first time, but I have a vague memory that there was already a book published which plagiarized wikipedia, but I do not remember more than this. Anyone remembers ?

Anthere (talk)

 * Interesting. I know of several books which copied Wikipedia content explicitly with citations as to the source (linking back to the project) but I'm not aware of any blatant plagiarism in the form of a published book.  I also know of several websites which have plagiarized content that I explicitly have written, some of them without any sort of recognition as to the source.  I've also had some of my photos that I've uploaded for use on Wikipedia plagiarized as well without acknowledgment, and in fact with assertion of copyright under other terms demanded.

 * It wouldn't surprise me if this has happened in the past, as I've seen almost everything you can imagine in regards to copyright violations and even assertion of copyright on content that clearly was not written by the claimant or even authorized by the original actual author. What annoys me the most are those publishers who assert copyright on public domain materials... which in America is surprisingly not really illegal.  Instead it it up to the person who wishes to republish public domain materials to research the copyright and note what the original content actually said, essentially ignoring copyright in that case and saying "sue me, I dare you" to those who would try to enforce such copyright.  --Robert Horning (talk) 16:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

 * You are probably rememebering the case of Free: The Future of a Radical Price see this and this.©Geni 19:40, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

 * I'd like to remind people that there exists a backward copy vio template for use on the talk page, were a WP article has been published else where without proper attribution. This template aims to prevent editors from rashly tagging valid WP content as copyvio when the situation is really the other way around.--Aspro (talk) 20:00, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Indeed Geni. That's the one I was thinking of. As for the brand new one, the journalist wrote its piece about it. You may see it here http://www.slate.fr/story/26745/wikipedia-plagiat-michel-houellebecq-carte-territoire. Very good author, I feel proud for us :) Anthere (talk)

Here you go: Uncle G (talk) 13:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Mirrors and forks/Ghi (Icon Group International)
 * Mirrors and forks/Abc
 * User:Fences and windows/Unreliable sources
 * User:Fences and windows/Mirror book note
 * User:PrimeHunter/Alphascript Publishing sells free articles as expensive books

Happy Birthday
Armbrust <sup style="color:#E3A857;">Talk  <sub style="color:#008000;">Contribs  00:15, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Birthday Committee.... waouu ! Thanks guys ;) Anthere (talk)

link
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Hello Anthere
How are you? Do you have a link to that story where you commented that "Jimbo Wales was needing a gold plated washing machine"? Cheers! Negativecharge (talk) 14:06, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks that's what i wanted to know! Negativecharge (talk) 17:45, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

sockpuppet editing
There is an open WP:SPI case looking at sockpuppet editing primarily on the Johann Hari/ Talk page. As you edited the Johann Hari/Talk page between 2004 and 2011, your input is welcomed. Yonmei (talk) 22:32, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Survey
Hi Anthere!

I have put together a survey for female editors of Wikipedia (and related projects) in order to explore, in greater detail, women's experiences and roles within the Wikimedia movement. It'd be wonderful if you could participate!

It's an independent survey, done by me, as a fellow volunteer Wikimedian. It is not being done on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation. I hope you'll participate!

Just click this link to participate in this survey, via Google!

Any questions or concerns, feel free to email me or stop by my user talk page. Also, feel free to share this any other female Wikimedians you may know. It is in English, but any language Wikimedia participants are encouraged to participate. I appreciate your contributions - to the survey and to Wikipedia! Thank you! SarahStierch (talk) 22:22, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Email
Je l'ai reçu, merci. Amicalement, Comte0 (talk) 20:02, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * ...et je viens d'y répondre. Merry christmas, and happy new year! Comte0 (talk) 23:10, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
January ( talk ) 18:07, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview
Dear Anthere,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:
 * Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
 * Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
 * All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
 * All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
 * The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 04:20, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Good Agricultural Practices for deletion
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The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)
Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page. In this issue: Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->
 * Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
 * Research: The most recent DR data
 * Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
 * Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
 * DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
 * Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
 * Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

--The Olive Branch 18:49, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #2)

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'''This edition The Olive Branch is focusing on a 2nd dispute resolution RfC. Two significant proposals have been made. Below we describe the background and recent progress and detail those proposals. Please review them and follow the link at the bottom to comment at the RfC. We need your input!'''

Until late 2003, Jimmy Wales was the arbiter in all major disputes. After the Mediation Committee and the Arbitration Committee were founded, Wales delegated his roles of dispute resolution to these bodies. In addition to these committees, the community has developed a number of informal processes of dispute resolution. At its peak, over 17 dispute resolution venues existed. Disputes were submitted in each venue in a different way.
 * Background

Due to the complexity of Wikipedia dispute resolution, members of the community were surveyed in April 2012 about their experiences with dispute resolution. In general, the community believes that dispute resolution is too hard to use and is divided among too many venues. Many respondents also reported their experience with dispute resolution had suffered due to a shortage of volunteers and backlogging, which may be due to the disparate nature of the process.

An evaluation of dispute resolution forums was made in May this year, in which data on response and resolution time, as well as success rates, was collated. This data is here.

 * Progress so far

Leading off from the survey in April and the evaluation in May, several changes to dispute resolution noticeboard (DRN) were proposed. Rather than using a wikitext template to bring disputes to DRN, editors used a new javascript form. This form was simpler to use, but also standardised the format of submissions and applied a word limit so that DRN volunteers could more easily review disputes. A template to summarise, and a robot to maintain the noticeboard, were also created.

As a result of these changes, volunteers responded to disputes in a third of the time, and resolved them 60% faster when compared to May. Successful resolution of disputes increased by 17%. Submissions were 25% shorter by word count.(see Dispute Resolution Noticeboard Statistics - August compared to May)

Outside of DRN other simplification has taken place. The Mediation Cabal was closed in August, and Wikiquette assistance was closed in September. Nevertheless, around fifteen different forums still exist for the resolution of Wikipedia disputes.

Given the success of the past efforts at DR reform, the current RFC proposes we implement:
 * Proposed changes

1) A submission gadget for every DR venue tailored to the unique needs of that forum. 2) A universal dispute resolution wizard, accessible from Dispute resolution.
 * Similar to the one that was deployed, with great success, to the DRN.
 * Structured based on the specific issues most commonly dealt with at each forum.
 * Designed to improve the quality of requests for DR and the efficiency of DR at that forum.
 * Applicable at following noticeboards: Dispute resolution, Neutrality, Reliable Sources, Original Research, Biographies of Living Persons, Notability noticeboard, Fringe theories, Conflict of Interest, Ethnic and cultural conflicts, External links, Third opinion, Mediation Committee, Arbitration Committee.
 * Forms will merely fill out any existing templates (such as Arbcom's) and create a markup-free form in line with specific noticeboard practices otherwise.
 * Example form fields: What pages are involved? What users are involved? What is the issue? What resolution is desired?
 * This wizard would ask a series of structured questions about the nature of the dispute.
 * It would then determine to which dispute resolution venue a dispute should be sent.
 * If the user agrees with the wizard's selection, s/he would then be asked a series of questions about the details of the dispute (for example, the usernames of the involved editors).
 * The wizard would then submit a request for dispute resolution to the selected venue, in that venue's required format (using the logic of each venue's specialized form, as in proposal #1). The wizard would not suggest a venue which the user has already identified in answer to a question like "What other steps of dispute resolution have you tried?".
 * Similar to the way the DRN request form operates, this would be enabled for all users. A user could still file a request for dispute resolution manually if they so desired.
 * Coding such a wizard would be complex, but the DRN gadget would be used as an outline.
 * Once the universal request form is ready (coded by those who helped create the DRN request form) the community will be asked to try out and give feedback on the wizard. The wizard's logic in deciding the scope and requirements of each venue would be open to change by the community at any time.

3) Additionally, we're seeking any ideas on how we can attract and retain more dispute resolution volunteers.

Please share your thoughts at the RfC.

--The Olive Branch 18:40, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Your input is requested
Greetings, Anthere! If we have not met, I'm. I've come here to ask you to take part in the survey at User:AutomaticStrikeout/Are admins interested in a RfB?. I am trying to gauge the general level of interest that administrators have in running for cratship, as well as pinpoint the factors that affect that interest level. Your input will be appreciated. Happy editing, AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 02:15, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

New mail
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Invitation to join the Ten Year Society
Dear Anthere,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Ten Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for ten years or more. Since you are the first who wrote on my talk page 23 November 2002 I want to invite you to the Ten Year Society.

Best regards, Dan Koehl (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

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Invitation
--1Veertje (talk) 20:28, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedians in Uganda
Hello Anthere. I'm also glad I got in touch with people who are contributing to Wikipedia. Faintsmoke (talk) 13:32, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

user:anthere/test

N'hésitez pas à me laisser un message sur ma page de discussion ou à m'envoyer un mail.
Utilisateur: Anthere --प्रजापति (talk) 17:13, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) J'ai donc troqué mon titre de chaise du bureau de Wikimedia Foundation pour un joli titre de member of the Advisory board (conseil de conseillers ? conseil des sages ?).
 * 2) Chair, id est Chairman, the highest officer of an organized group
 * 3) (Membre du Conseil consultatif de la Fondation Wikimedia ou Membre du Comité consultatif de la Fondation Wikimedia)
 * 4) J'ai décidé fin 2012 d'arrêter mon implication comme vice-présidente de son conseil d'administration de.
 * 5) ...de ???.

What is this project?
Thanks Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 20:25, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Jury in Wiki love Africa 2015
Thank you anthere. I am interested.Colouriyo (talk) 06:31, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

OGUNTIMEHIN ARIYO SHORT PROFILE
Oguntimehin .A. Ariyo a  born in Lagos, graduated from Auchi polytechnic Edo state, majored in painting 2000. He has a post graduate Diploma in Education [PGDE] 2006. He further studied photography from Nigeria institute of journalism [photo journalism] 2010. He is a recipient of state Merit Award From Benue State Nigeria 2002. He has facilitated various Art and Photography workshops and seminars, with University of Lagos Sponsored by [OYASAF] Omooba Yemisi  Shyllon Art Foundation, Greenhouse Art Gallery. E.t.c. He was a jury in Ufuk Dialogue Foundation Organizer of The Art for Peace Project in Turkey. He has documented most fast disappearing festivals in Nigeria and Benin Republic. He has more than 55 thousand shot of indigenous shoots of Nigeria cultural festival. Presently he works as an Artist, Documentary Photographer and is a free Lance Photojournalist. Professional Membership MERIT AWARD
 * society of Nigeria Artist
 * Artzero group
 * Benue state Merit Award Winner 2002
 * 1st runner up winner of photography competition of Omooba Yemisi Shyllon Art Foundation,[oyasaf]
 * Etisalat photography competition [finalist]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Colouriyo (talk • contribs) 12:25, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
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Wiki Loves Women/Writing Contest
Hi Anthere,thanks for your prompt response. I don't only want to work on only Hannah Cudjoe's article I added my name under Team Ghana because I realized Ghana had a lot of women to be written on and I wanted to contribute on all of them.These are;Hannah Cudjoe Elsie Owusu,Ama Nkrumah,Afia Kobi Serwaa Ampem(my Queenmother) Sylvia Boye ,Mary Chinery Hesse,Peace Ayisi Otchere,Sophie Oboshie Doku,Sussana Al-Hassan Regards--Rberchie (talk) 10:39, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * omg. Ok, let me add that to Wiki Loves Women/Writing Contest/Articles suggestions. The choice may be discussed in the team page ! Anthere (talk)

Wiki Loves Nigeria Writing Contest
Hello Anthere, and happy Wikipedia @ 15. This is to notify you of Wiki Loves Nigeria Writing Contest organized by the Wikimedia User Group Nigeria to commiserate the 15th anniversary of Wikipedia. The contest will start on 28 January 2016 and end on 29 February 2016. Please help to suggest articles on notable Nigeria-related topic here and if you like to be part of the jury, add your name here. Thanks for your participation. Warm regards Olaniyan Olushola (talk) 02:46, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikicology

Wikipedia:WikiProject South Africa/Wikipedia Primary School
Hi Anthere. Lane Rasberry just pointed me to this project. I'm presently working on a pilot with BMJ to provide expert review for our best medical articles. We're in the middle of the first review (Parkinson's disease) and, if that goes well, we'll be doing more. I see Malaria is on your list. There is some interest at WikiProject medicine in getting Malaria up to featured standard and then having BMJ review it. If you're interested, I'll keep you informed on how that goes. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 23:26, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Template messages/Disputes

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The Barnstar of Democracy for you!

 * blushing... Anthere (talk)
 * Voyez que j'ai trouvé - n'est-ce pas adorably cute? C'était le premier article de:Wikipedia:Kurier allemand (équivalent de "The Signpost"). ;) --.jsMD''']] 02:00, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Je me souviens bien du Kurier. Fut une époque, je le passais à la moulinette Google Translate pour savoir ce qu'il y a vait dedans :) Anthere (talk)

Wikimania
Hi Anthere, but unfortunately I won't be attending Wikimania this year. Thank you for thinking of me! Keilana (talk) 16:07, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * ok. Sorry to hear that. Thank you. Anthere (talk)

Proposition program chair Wikimania 2016
Dear Anthere,

I read your mail regarding the program proposition from the program chair just now. I didn't check my LinkedIn messages for a long time. I would be glad to participate in Wikimania 2016. I cannot be there for the whole time though because I have responsibilities in Berlin and can't leave for such a long time. I would like to attend for a couple of days though.

Please get back to me regarding the proposition. We could talk on Skype, too. I can send you my skype account through private mail if you'd like to discuss this via skype.

Best regards -- Earl ysp atz '''<font style="background:#F9FD00">Talk 11:22, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Civilization

"Advancement" and "Progress"
The words advancement and progress are very prominent in the first few paragraphs. These imply directionality. Use of these words and directionality is opposed by many anthropologists. I will change these to better convey what "characteristics" informally are called civilization. Please explain any disagreements if it is deemed necessary to undo my changes.

Feudalism is a civilization
According to historians: "Feudal civilization" See the books results: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22feudal+civilization%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=djCJVr-8OMLzPYP4jsAK#q=%22feudal+civilization%22&tbm=bks

Terms under section History being applied inappropriately
The section refers to Europeans encountering peoples in the Neolithic and Mesolithic stage during the European "Age of Discovery", however the linked article states that "Neolithic" is not generally used for Australian or North and South American peoples. The cited source's date is given as 2014, but after some investigation, I have discovered that this only refers to the date it was archived, and the source itself is over 50 years old (from 1970). — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerytonMango (talk • contribs) 17:35, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

 * Good find. Feel free to be bold and change it. Freoh (talk) 18:31, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You will find the objection to the term by scholars of those areas is even stronger today, if anything. Johnbod (talk) 01:03, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not sure if the source is obsolete. That article is the Circumscription theory still seriously considered in anthropology. Maxaxa (talk) 10:30, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I guess I would agree that the source as a whole is not obsolete, just that it's being used to back up content that is no longer the academic consensus.     —  Freoh 15:38, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

and, both of you expressed opposition to a particular sentence in :

I agree with you two, and so I the problematic sentence. Soon after it was by  without explanation. , could you explain why you believe that this sentence is appropriate? —  Freoh 23:14, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Did they? It seems to me they were objecting about different things. What is your objection to the sentence? I note Neolithic actually covers Australia, despite what the lead says (perhaps it shouldn't). Would Stone Age be better? Johnbod (talk) 01:03, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you have sources that justify the use of the term Stone Age? The introduction to that article says that the Stone Age ended between 4,000 BC and 2,000 BC, so I don't think so. I agree with both 's and 's criticisms, though you're right that they're critiquing different things.     —  Freoh 01:12, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, that's wrong, or Eurocentric. The trouble is that anthropologists for these areas are embarassed by any overt reference to the huge technological gaps in the Early Modern period between the societies that are their subject and other Old World societies that turned up in ships. So they tend to remove or obfuscate material, to the detriment of the reader. Johnbod (talk) 01:24, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I disagree with your interpretation, and we shouldn't dismiss reliable scholarship.     —  Freoh 01:30, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * , do you have evidence that the current text matches the current academic consensus? Or can I delete this content again?     —  Freoh 19:06, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, haven't been following this conversation closely. If anything, the information on various parts of Wikipedia should probably not be overtly contradictory, and since "Neolithic" and "Stone Age" are defined completely differently on their respective pages, it's probably not accurate here.
 * The Three-age system page goes into more detail about the history of this interpretation of human society, and says in the intro "The schema, however, has little or no utility for establishing chronological frameworks in sub-Saharan Africa, much of Asia, the Americas and some other areas; and has little importance in contemporary archaeological or anthropological discussion for these regions."
 * In short, the wording of the article as it is presently implies that Neolithic and Mesolithic are "stages" that all civilizations pass through, and it appears that this idea has been almost entirely discarded.
 * The reason I haven't gone and changed it is that I feel this page needs in-depth attention more broadly with regard to assumptions about "Advanced" vs. less advanced civilizations, many of which are uncited. Take for example this excerpt under the "Characteristics" heading: "Throughout history, successful civilizations have spread, taking over more and more territory, and assimilating more and more previously uncivilized people. Nevertheless, some tribes or people remain uncivilized even to this day. These cultures are called by some "primitive", a term that is regarded by others as pejorative."
 * This wording suggests that those who use the term "primitive" and those who view it as pejorative are roughly equal in legitimacy. This is false. The sentence links to Primitive Culture (book) which is a book from 1871 that is described on the linked page as largely discredited/rejected by anthropologists. The progression from "savagery" to civilization as a sequence of linear developmental stages of a society has been pretty much totally discredited by the field of anthropology.
 * I have not tried to fix these problems because they need more expertise and high quality, recent sources than I can provide, but at the very least, the page needs more citations, and particularly citations linking to secondary sources that summarize or demonstrate an academic consensus, rather than describing the views of individual writers and leaving the reader to guess at whether they are representative. Perhaps the entire page should be reworked to some extent, to be organized around summarizing the history of attempts to define civilization and the ways various definitions have been applied.PerytonMango (talk) 17:54, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I hadn't seen this discussion. @Freoh perhaps you could explain your addition of "Many Westerners refer to" - which source says that?  Doug Weller  talk 15:05, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I was trying to give an in-text attribution that summarized the sourcesthe Encyclopædia Britannica and Ball State University. Here's a more explicit citation that attributes the idea to Western conservatives:
 * —  Freoh 15:35, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * As this is rather an opinionated piece (and it does not hide that) its observations about what people think might be worth using but some of the other opinions require caution. To me it seems to be mixing several different threads. As editors of a Wikipedia we have to try to separate the threads. A couple of points of logic: 1. there is no logical reason why the country where X started needs to still be a country where X exists today; 2. an idea can be both widely accepted and controversial at the same time. Here are also some opinions of mine just to compare to those in the quote: 1. It is not really controversial to say that western civilization is generally seen as having its roots in Greece. Let's face it, a major theme of the concept is the contrast with the older civilizations of the "east" (and by extension north Africa). 2. I think the idea that Greece invented democracy is indeed one which experts would tend to see as an oversimplification, but it is a common idea. Maybe we shouldn't overemphasize it too much, or make simple references to it in a picture caption. 3. What is perhaps more defensible is that the idea of a democratic constitution in a complex society (a city for example) was certainly something which classical literature did pass on to future generations, whether the authors agreed with it or not, and this certainly played a major role in inspiring the establishment of the new types of modern democracies.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 16:08, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree that David Graeber is biased, as are all sources. My point is that this caption is kind of vague (and yes, an oversimplification). It is open to interpretation, and some of those interpretations are controversial. Unless we're providing an in-text attribution, we should keep the content specific and uncontroversial.     —  Freoh 16:51, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Isn't this in the wrong section? This is a lively and highly biased excerpt that refers to specific America-only cultural issues, and has several issues. But it does at least confirm that "the idea that Greece invented democracy is indeed one which experts would tend to see as an oversimplification, but it is a common idea" as AL says above, which you seemed to find, original, startling and dubious. I hope you will now remove your tag. Johnbod (talk) 18:16, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you clarify what your proposal is?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 17:08, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
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 * {| class="wikitable"

! Current !! Proposal
 * The Acropolis of Athens: Greece is widely referred to as the cradle of Western civilization and the birthplace of democracy. || The Acropolis of Athensmany Westerners describe Greece as the cradle of Western civilization and the birthplace of democracy.
 * }
 * How's this?     —  Freoh 18:02, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Overkill for a caption ref. Better to work something into the text, & ref it there. The quote should be trimmed to half the full length or less. Johnbod (talk) 18:16, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Good point by Johnbod. A shorter caption might avoid the need for all this discussion. But looking at the proposal (because I guess it might still also be relevant to what we put in the body) I don't really get the importance of the change being made. It is as if there is a difference between westerners and non-westerners on this point. Do you Japanese people deny that classical Greece was a starting point for European city-based culture? In any case I presume the concern is mainly the reference to democracy? That could be removed or tweaked. For example we could say (in the body) that classical Greece continued to be a source of inspiration to the development of new types of democratic institutions in early modern Europe?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 18:26, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, I edited my proposal above to cut down the quote. I'm not Japanese, so I don't know what you mean by you Japanese people, and I don't know the answer to your question. My point is that this "Western civilization" narrative is a relatively recent product of Western culture and is not universally accepted. My proposal was my attempt at clarifying this, but I'd like to see your alternative proposal if you have one.     —  Freoh 20:48, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Personally I still do not understand your proposal. You go from saying something is widely believed to specifying it is only believed by many western people. Why? And what is the source for this only being something western people believe? I see nothing in either wording about this being a "relatively recent product of Western culture" (or the opposite) and nor do I know how you'd source that, or how you would define "relatively recent".--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 22:13, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * ADDED: I should correct myself a bit. Obviously I can see one source which mentions the concept being recent. The more important point is that I don't see the relevance of this recentness, which is already a pretty complicated and debatable point in Graeber, to the proposals.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:59, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I think that a better solution is to just replace the caption with something more specific and less controversial. How's ?     —  Freoh 22:03, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Terrible, I'm afraid, and hardly "less controversial"! Johnbod (talk) 03:12, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I agree. Of course our articles can discuss such controversies, but I think for this simple illustration most of us would just be expecting a reference to Greece as a traditional reference point for the development of a distinct European civilization, starting in the Mediterranean?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 06:34, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * What makes you say that this version is controversial?     —  Freoh 10:29, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Does this really need to be explained? You are claiming that "the idea of Western civilization" was established as a result of the Greeks "referring to the rest of the world as uncivilized "barbarians"." That's a strange and very specific theory. (1) This places a lot of importance in the mere invention of a word for non-Greek speakers. (2) I am willing to accept that the Greeks had a concept similar to civilization in the sense of city-life, but I do not think it is even true that Greeks saw Middle-easterners and North Africans as uncivilized. (What might be more easily argued, but not in such an caption, is that the Greeks sometimes portrayed the older non-Greek city-peoples as being too accustomed to being ruled by tyrants. Greeks had issues with bowing and so forth. This has been a popular and lasting theme.) FWIW, at least one Greek, Aristotle, effectively called the other Europeans uncivilized. For him the Greeks represented the optimum middle ground.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 16:13, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. The idea of Greece (Athens in fact) as the "cradle of democracy" etc has, as Graeber confirms, been the standard idea in the West for a long time. It can be argued about, & might not even be correct, but it can't really be called "controversial". By contrast, the idea that the well-known distain of the Greeks for non-Hellenes was a significant factor in the origins of Western civilization, seems a novel, minority opinion, and therefore "controversial". In fact I'd say that Greek distain for others was rather more marked in the Byzantine period, long after they ceased to have a leading progressive role vin such matters. Johnbod (talk) 16:54, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. The idea of Greece (Athens in fact) as the "cradle of democracy" etc has, as Graeber confirms, been the standard idea in the West for a long time. It can be argued about, & might not even be correct, but it can't really be called "controversial". By contrast, the idea that the well-known distain of the Greeks for non-Hellenes was a significant factor in the origins of Western civilization, seems a novel, minority opinion, and therefore "controversial". In fact I'd say that Greek distain for others was rather more marked in the Byzantine period, long after they ceased to have a leading progressive role vin such matters. Johnbod (talk) 16:54, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

If something is argued about, isn't it controversial by definition? What makes you say that my source presents a minority opinion? —  Freoh 21:19, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * At the least, your version is more controversial, not less as your edit summary claimed. It's probably impossible to say anything about civilization on a broad scale that some people would argue with, but that doesn't make the whole topic "controversial". Johnbod (talk) 17:46, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Could you give reliable sources that show that my caption is controversial? I agree that broad-scale generalizations are bound to be somewhat controversial, which is why I focused on a more specific aspect.     —  Freoh 18:22, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

 * Freoh, you are the proposer of the text, not Johnbod, so technically the WP:ONUS is on you to justify your proposal to fellow editors with doubts. OTOH, such rules should not even be relevant because we are discussing the caption of an illustration, and not body text. The caption should be minimal IMHO.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 18:30, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

have we reached a consensus that we should delete the first paragraph in ?  —  Freoh 16:04, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * No! Something certainly needs to be said. Why do you think it doesn't? Would "hunter-gather and village agriculture" be a way forward? Johnbod (talk) 18:52, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Huntington's "future"
A recent by  removed some context about Samuel P. Huntington. This is in, but it's describing speculation from the 1990s about the 21st century, which we're already almost a quarter of the way through. The justification is that this is Argued and pretty active concept now also, but I think that if this is the case then we should prefer recent sources, especially when we're talking about the 21st century. —  Freoh 02:02, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Its one of the main if not the main concept about civilizations future and yes almost just a quarter of the way through so it stays a little more than 75 years and we will see.109.93.182.214 (talk) 03:25, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It seems like predictions about the future is one of the cases where age matters the most, especially when the "future" predicted by old sources overlaps with the present discussed by current sources. Why do you oppose clarifying when Huntington made his predictions?     —  Freoh 12:59, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * If you're not going to explain your edit, then I'm going to revert it.     —  Freoh 18:23, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I registered, so all what I said stays, and other persons opinions in that section argues so its totally ok. Karlik1234 (talk) 17:12, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, why do you oppose clarifying Huntington made his predictions?      —  Freoh 13:20, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

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