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Wiktionary/logo/refresh/voting
I do not want to come across as contumelious but please consider casting your vote for the tile logo as—besides using English—the book logo has a clear directionality of horizontal left-to-right, starkly contrasting with Arabic and Chinese, two of the six official UN languages. As such, the tile logo is the only translingual choice left and it was also elected in Wiktionary/logo/archive-vote-4. Warmest Regards, :)--thecurran Speak your mind my past 03:15, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

and water
water is now using for around a thousand of its translations (written in Latn, so no need for other parameters) the existing templates were overstretching the server leading to internal errors on save (presumably out of memory/time) and horrificly slow loading (blamed on  by Prince Kassad). Using a template was preferred to using raw links for consistency within the page. At the moment we have no other pages that will benefit from this template, and I can't imagine any arising in the near future. Conrad.Irwin 16:26, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Cite references prefix
I was wondering if we could remove the "* Notes:" from MediaWiki:Cite references prefix. Sometimes we do use it to show footnotes in a random section (eg 和尚打伞，无法无天) and in those cases the text is okay. But often times we use it show references where that snippet of text looks awkward right after the ===References=== or we show footnotes in a ===Usage notes=== section making the text look even more awkward. I know you talked about this with Ruakh before, but I don't understand the reason. Wikipedia doesn't have an intro text (see w:MediaWiki:Cite references prefix) which makes me think any technical problem must be small. Obviously if we change this we'll have to do some cleanup, but this is probably better than awkward wording on the majority of the pages. --Bequw → ¢ • τ 23:54, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Any more thoughts? --Bequw → τ 17:20, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Old Tbot categories
Hi, I notice that at least half of the Tbot entry categories per language are empty. I would have deleted them, but if Tbot plans to restart adding words from these languages, it would make no sense to! Mglovesfun (talk) 11:42, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Tbot will add more entries for languages as people add more translations and entries in the FL wikts. So the cats should stay. (Harmless anyway ;-) The only cats to be deleted are the monthly ones once emptied, as they won't recur. (sorry for delay, i've been sick and some time in hospital) Robert Ullmann 08:55, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

User:Rising Sun/French verbs needing conjugation
Hello Robert, any chance of updating User:Rising Sun/French verbs needing conjugation? p.s. I hope you're feeling a lot better now --Rising Sun talk? 15:52, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

 * okay, that's just a matter of re-running the program. Done. Robert Ullmann 17:27, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Your template
Hi Robert could you please remove Template:xhan from the Category:Chinese_words_needing_attention? Thank you. Tooironic 10:38, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it's unused and unusable in its current form, as you can't substitute it. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:49, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, my (repeated) apologies for illness with some long time to get back to effectiveness ...
 * It was used by me to subst to create/fix various entries. Was always supposed to be temporary. Fixed. Robert Ullmann 22:30, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Portuguese verbs needing conjugation
Hi Robert again. Can I request a page User:Rising Sun/Portuguese verbs needing conjugation, in the same vein as User:Rising Sun/French verbs needing conjugation. My bot's working on Portuguese now, you see--Rising Sun talk? contributions 18:28, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Yes, should not be difficult. About the same rules? I am still catching up on a number of things left undone from before I was in the hospital. (BD2412 has probably given up on me ;-) I did note AF sorting out some pt entries in common with Spanish. Robert Ullmann 17:03, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

 * The rules for this are: find all Portuguese verbs entries without any pt-verb in them - we use pt-verb for conjugation templates, whereas in French we use fr-conj. And you needn't worry about finding any Tbot entries - they don't concern me. I hope this helps. --Rising Sun talk? contributions 17:16, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

 * pt has pt-verb (inflection line) and pt-conj (table) just like the French (arranged a bit differently); that isn't a difference. Robert Ullmann 18:44, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Done. Robert Ullmann 19:07, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I love you Robert --Rising Sun talk? contributions 19:12, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Hi again, can I please get a rerun of User:Rising Sun/Portuguese verbs needing conjugation. I've attacked many of these already. --Rising Sun talk? contributions 20:42, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Robert Ullmann 22:30, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Can I get one done for Dutch verbs too, for CodeCat and James - User:Rising Sun/Dutch verbs needing conjugation. --Rising Sun talk? contributions 09:30, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. There is nothing to be fixed: the list is all words that are both verb and verb form, and a few verbs not conjugated. Robert Ullmann 11:38, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Maybe also User:Rising Sun/German verbs needing conjugation, User:Rising Sun/Spanish verbs needing conjugation, User:Rising Sun/Latin verbs needing conjugation and User:Rising Sun/Italian verbs needing conjugation, for the bot owners to get their teeth into --Rising Sun talk? contributions 12:38, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd need to generalize the program. I'll think on it. Robert Ullmann 13:05, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

 * I must bug you again for this. Thanks --Soleil levant 00:54, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation exceptions and mismatched wikisyntax
At your convenience, please could you regenerate these reports as I might finally be getting some time to do a bit more on them, but given the length of time it's been they're now very out of date.

See also the talk page of the pronunciation exceptions report. Thryduulf 00:39, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

 * I've run the pron except report, and mismatch running now. This is just the existing code; I spent several hours tracking down a completely gratuitous breaking change in the server code and working around it. I'll think about the talk page suggestion. Cheers, Robert Ullmann 13:53, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheers. Thryduulf 22:20, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

CaBot and Interwikis
Hi Robert,

I'm on the french wiktionary, and I'd like to keep on interwikis too. I suppose your bot is based on english recent changes, isn't it ? So if mine will follow french ones it will work without disturbing yours, isn't it ?

Cordially, -- Quentinv57 ✍   16:38, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Interwicket follows RC on all the wikts. It also knows the current rules for link order and policy on redirects on all wikts in namespace zero, which the pywikibot does not have up to date.

 * If you want to work outside NS:0, cool, but do see if you can get the proper ordering. In NS:0, is handled by Interwicket. If you want to help, is okay, but there are lots of issues. Robert Ullmann 20:26, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Luckas-bot is working on NS:0 too, isn't it ? -- Quentinv57 ✍   20:28, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

User talk:AutoFormat
Hi Robert,

When you have time, there's a bit of a backlog of comments and requests at User talk:AutoFormat. You're in high demand. :-)

Thanks in advance!

—Ruakh TALK 20:35, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Oh dear. I'll hunt these down. Odd though: when Interwicket talk gets changes I get mail (and that shows on my cell phone even in the middle of the night, at o-dark-whatever. But not AF? maybe has to do with when SUL was started?) Anyway, I'll chase these in the morning! Thank you. If anything needs to be brought to my attention, you or anyone feel free to SMS +254 722 929 463 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              +254 722 929 463      end_of_the_skype_highlighting. (and: don't worry about time, it is set silent when I am sleeping ...) Robert Ullmann 21:06, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

 * There is an "email me if someone writes on my talk page" setting in preferences (not WT:PREF, but the standard Wikimedia one, next to one's watchlist). Perhaps that was set for Interwicket, but not for AF.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 22:25, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

 * It was set, but the email address was an old one no longer used. Fixed. Robert Ullmann 11:19, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * and it does work now Robert Ullmann 11:59, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back?
Sorry about your health issues. I hope they have been resolved acceptably.

I hope you will have enough time to participate again. If you have been working on tech matters and have been on IRC, I wouldn't see that. Anyhoo, welcome back. If you aren't staying, come back soon. DCDuring TALK 11:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

 * I remember learning while studying public health how long it takes people to recover from being in hospital, but hadn't experienced it. Two days in ICU, plus another 5 in a private room, and one leaves feeling like everything is pretty much fine. Then I discovered that getting anywhere near fully functional takes months. Wow. (No wonder modern medicine tries to do almost everything they can on out-patient or short-stay (24-36 hours), recovery time is much better.) Will be able to do more now. Robert Ullmann 12:07, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't get me started. That is yet another reason I try to avoid or postpone encounters with doctors and hospitals and resent being compelled to pay the expenses of those who overuse medical services. In my case, total knee replacement is likely to become necessary, but as much delay as one can stand seems to be the best course, both for the expense (if one pays one's own way) and the recovery. Overuse is sometimes even against the patient's wishes (excessive end-of-life treatment), to the patient's detriment (medications without demonstrated benefit for average recipient), or to the detriment of public health (overuse of antibiotics).
 * But when medical care is needed, it is really needed.
 * I hope wiktionary remains high on your list of priorities. DCDuring TALK 14:24, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Google mining
Robert, I'm so sorry to hear that you're recovering from a hospital stay. Hope things pick up for you. I have a request, maybe for too much, but we'll see. Would you be able to generate a list of all words (including hyphenated forms and contractions) between, say, five and fifteen letters, which return fifteen or more Google Books hits? I've done a little scratch testing on this, and I think that those parameters will yield a usable list primarily composed of actual words-in-use that meet our CFI. That would, in turn, ease the process of verifying words, and would also provide an enormous bank of what is missing from our dictionary. Be well, and cheers! bd2412 T 14:41, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you serious? If you were to generate such a list for every language and every word between 5-15 letters in every language that get >15 google hits, you would be looking at lists of millions, if not tens of millions of words...Razorflame 16:24, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That is the point. All words in all languages. bd2412 T 16:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to ease up on the request a little bit, we could limit it to words written in the Latin alphabet (with Asian languages, it's hard to tell where words begin and end anyway). Let's suppose we generate a list of 2.5 million words that way - that would be 100 pages with 25,000 words each. In terms of storage space it would be fragmentary, and we can very quickly weed out the ones we have, and easy-to-make missing derivations. We could also start with a test run, for example, only five-letter words. bd2412 T 19:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Wow. (Yes, I've used that word twice in 24 hours. Sorry.) This is a really good idea. It will require formal cooperation with Google (one can't just run automation on their search, let alone "Books") but that may be an advantage: they could easily gen the all-words list, and I could screen it. And it is the sort of thing they'd like. (We can add lots of Google citations too.) Must think on this. (is 2 AM here, watched the UEFA match) I did do some things with hunting words in current newspapers, but never fully integrated it. hmmm .... :-) Robert Ullmann 22:56, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I asked the Google Books help desk if they could provide such a list, and their reply was "we're sorry we can't help you". Perhaps they were leery of running the search themselves, and would welcome someone else designing the search and just slipping it into their database. Do we really need their cooperation anyway? Given their volume, how would they even know they're being auto-searched (and why would they care)? bd2412 T 02:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * And how would we feel if someone else took that attitude? Eh? (-) They (meaning the s/w) notice very quickly. On several occasions I have (manually) done a bunch of searches fairly rapidly, and their servers started giving me CAPTCHAs. Any kind of automation beyond long random intervals for parts of a day will probably result in my IP address getting blocked. And: we need a few million results, right? Using individual queries would be very inefficient.
 * Like any other organization with a "Help Desk", that is the last place you should go for help. We need to talk to someone fairly senior, or some interested engineer in Google Labs or similar. Maybe the "Google Summer of Code" people might help? thinking on it Robert Ullmann 14:01, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I see your point. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help! bd2412 T 18:40, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Get well soon, RU. help any (with the Google issue, not with getting well)? —msh210℠ 18:59, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Given that there are now no pages at Special:PrefixIndex/Template:lang: it seems that much of this template's complexity is now un-needed. I thought I would double check with you before changing it to  (alternatively or additionally, we could begin to deprecate its use completely as it doesn't represent a saving in effort). Conrad.Irwin 22:29, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Yes, we can take out the "lang:" code. I want to keep the template because part of its purpose is to hide the method used. If we ever get a extension or function like #language that would return the names (but in English ;-) we can change the mechanism. If the "l=" hack is all over everywhere this will be a lot harder! (Just identifying the code isn't so easy, is it a language reference or some other template using "l" as a parameter?)

 * Do note that now calling {language} with blank returns blank, that is the function of {lang:}. If you over-simplify, this breaks. We want something like:

 * The overhead of having the template is low, it is often used dozens of times in an entry, but only loaded once (one db SELECT) and is straight line code, the only branch being nil. Robert Ullmann 14:54, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I've kept it (as now) with an absent first parameter causing an obvious error, but a blank first parameter returning blank. Conrad.Irwin 15:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

chizi
Umm... I think this tbot Swahili entry speaks for itself. Please help. --EncycloPetey 23:39, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Wow, that's freakin' hilarious. I wouldn't want to run into that chizi in a dark alley.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 23:41, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

 * you clearly have not met me in person. CHEESE!!

 * a very good entry

 * I am perfectly serious. Really!

 * (and yes, the pix is for the other definition of the word, which is why review is needed; but I really am mad about CHEESE which Kenyan dairies are just learning to make; I am about to raid my refrigerator right now ...) Robert Ullmann 00:03, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Thanks, Wallace. --EncycloPetey 02:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Tbot
Hi, Rob. Do you have your Tbot code available somewhere? I'm interested in arranging something similar for pt.wikt and your code would be a good place to start. Thanks, Malafaya 11:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

 * User:Tbot/code not completely up to date, but good enough for stealing. (And it isn't really good code, mostly kludged together.) Robert Ullmann 11:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Great! Thanks a bunch, Malafaya 11:38, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Rob. I'm afraid I don't understand what you meant by "We don't use a -5 level. Either -4 or native ;-) " on my talk page. Anthonybaldwin 12:53, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Automated templating in Rhymes namespace
Would it be possible to go through the Rhymes namespace and automatically template any of the following patterns: -foo /-foo/ /-foo/ →, , -foo -foo -foo →, , -foo /-foo/ <tt>/-foo/</tt> →, ,

/-foo/ /-foo/ → , -foo /-foo/ → ,

/-foo/ → -foo →

Adding the lang= parameter based on the page title (e.g. Rhymes:French:foo should get lang=fr)

If you could then produce a report showing the pronunciation lines of all the rhymes namespace pages with no pronunciation template, or a pronunciation line with templatesd and untamplated text, in a similar fashion to the Pronuncation Exceptions report so they can be fixed manually or other automatable patterns discovered. Thryduulf 22:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * On second thoughts maybe you could do the second part by simply extending the existing pronunciations sections report to work on Rhymes namespaces as well. Thryduulf 22:04, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

About Serbo-Croatian
Jesus, could you try to be a little more inflammatory? I agree that a nod to the vote is worthwhile, but let's work out some different wording, shall we? Something a little more along the lines of "the community has not reached a consensus on this topic."? -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 01:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Ok, I've taken a stab at it. Let me know what you think.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 01:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Fair enough on removing the official looking banner, but you can't make a definitive statement that editors must or must not conform to the proposal. We have no official policy stating that Bosnian, etc. must be kept either.  Since there is a lack of policy either way, interested editors are free to do as they see fit.  I'm sorry that nearly all of the interested editors disagree with you, but such is the reality.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 01:18, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

 * It does need to say that the other sections shouldn't be deleted; people are doing a lot of damage that was in no way agreed on. No, a few trolls disagree with me (and Stambuk is not one of them; he has added other sections and stated repeatedly that others may!). (The proposal is nonsense, which is why every single authority has rejected "SC". Eh?) Robert Ullmann 01:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

 * I've told you this so many times, that I really tire of doing it again. I (and many others) don't see the sections as being deleted, but as being merged.  If someone created an entry with "Classical Greek", "Koine Greek", and "Byzantine Greek" sections, I'd merge them all into "Ancient Greek" and you'd pat me on the back for doing it.  Ivan has cited many authorities who embrace SC.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 01:27, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you aware of how many "authorities" he has cited have recanted, now that they aren't under threat of being imprisoned or shot for not supporting SC? And your comparison is completely invalid, as Croatian and Serbian etc are different languages, with large active populations that do not consider them the same language, and find proposals to merge them in large part extremely offensive. If I forcibly merged Bokmal and Nynorsk would you "pat me on the back?" Eh? (-) best, Robert Ullmann 01:35, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

 * No, I guess I am not. It's funny that you mention the whole Norwegian thing.  I find it a bit humorous that you spent that entire debate with such obvious disdain for Nynorsk, trying to relegate it to some second class language, and then make accusations of genocide against a Serb and a Croat who are trying to treat their "languages" as a unified whole.  I've seen a number of linguists say that all the Scandinavian languages could easily be considered a single language, owing to their extreme similarity.  So, if you spent the time to create a robust proposal for merging the two Norwegians, and got feedback from people, then yes, I might just pat you on the back. Concerning the whole Chinese thing, you've stated many times that SIL is more than happy to bow to political pressure in their coding, and that we shouldn't follow the whims of some political entity with a dogma to promote.  But, the specific SC debate aside, on Wiktionary, when there is no policy, editors are free to do as they wish.  I wish we could've resolved the whole Norwegian thing back when it happened, but we didn't.  So we had to leave the Norwegian editors alone to let a policy evolve through edits.  Same applies here, though it would happen a bit more peacefully if we didn't have all these fanatics showing up with a bone to pick.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 01:47, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Are you aware of how many "authorities" he has cited have recanted, now that they aren't under threat of being imprisoned or shot for not supporting SC?  - And who would that be? Even during the Communist regime no one was shot or imprisoned for "supporting Serbo-Croatian". Croatian extreme nationalists (mostly NDH-fascist wet-dreamers) even openly published papers about Croatian being a separate "literary language" than Serbian, and books titled e.g. Gramatika hrvatskoga književnog jezika "Grammar of Croatian literary language". Slavists in the rest of the world (Russia, Germany, US...) have (had) no doubts on whether Serbo-Croatian is a single language or not. The most bizarre thing in comparison wit Scandinavian languages, in particular two forms of Norwegian, is that they are mutually much more different (different inflection, phonology...), and you're advocating them to be "unified" despite the fact that it wouldn't be easy to do so (at least that's what the dudes from Norwegian pedia told us the last time when we've had a discussion abut it). I'd personally support their unified treatment if it can be done relatively painlessly, if it's the preferred method of treatment in FL dictionaries, and the preferred method of learning (as in the case of BCS; you cannot simply learn one of them and be ignorant of others).
 * with large active populations that do not consider them the same language, and find proposals to merge them in large part extremely offensive - no that's just a bunch of nationalists from Croatopedia. They went went through many pains over the years to filter any contributor who does't share their extremist views, blocking them under trivial excuses, and attracting more supporters of their agenda. For them Croatian Wikipedia = Croatian National Wikipedia (the same is true unfortunately for many other Balkanic pedias). Hopefully somebody recently stood up to them and some of them were desysoped and blocked. What is important to note is that their opinions are not reflective of the general populace, and that they represent a minority of extremists. Ordinary people on the street (ordinary Croat/Serb is not particularly smart, educated and ambitious) couldn't care less about such things. --Ivan Štambuk 07:21, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Herr Ullmann, trolling as usual. If I see you blocking "trolls" such as Kilibarda, you are so dead. --Ivan Štambuk 07:02, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Great. A death threat is just what this convo needed.  Thanks Ivan.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 07:32, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

 * That's a common phrase used as a form of a grave warning, and should not be taken literally. --Ivan Štambuk 07:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

 * LOL.  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 08:22, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Agreed with Atelaes. This discussion is extremely interesting, but it would be easier to follow if everyone relaxed a bit.  +sj + 18:22, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

 * This is the entire discussion: Serbo-Croatian is one language, as English is. However, certain people from Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia and Montenegro don't want to acknowledge that. It would be like if Americans, Irish, Australians and the English all suddenly decided that they speak different languages. Except that the English dialects are far more different from each other than the standard Serbo-Croatian dialects. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 18:31, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Please make sure you're seated, and then see [[discussion]] to find out what that word actually means. —Ruakh TALK 19:11, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

 * You don't have to patronize. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 21:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Meh. I'm not really being patronizing. If I genuinely thought you didn't know what meant, I'd be more polite about informing you. As it is, you know exactly what you're doing: you're pretending to represent an entire discussion, but in fact just stating your own opinion. I'm simply calling you out on it. —Ruakh TALK 21:27, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

 * "Scientifically", Serbo-Croatian is closer to being one language than English is. "Politically", it could just as easily be 7 "languages". It's really just silly to me to suggest that we should have 5 sections of the same information repeated to please political dorks, where we have languages with two distinct dialects with different inflections and everything that we still treat under one l2 section. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 22:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

 * I really don't understand what it is that you don't understand here. I actually agree with your opinion that SC is one language — or at least, I'd argue that if it is multiple languages, then it's not composed of "Serbian", "Croatian", etc., but rather of "Chakavian", "Shtokavian", etc. (which are normally considered "dialects", but from a scientific standpoint, "dialect" and "language" are basically synonyms) — but it is very dishonest to pretend that a short summary of your personal opinion is a fair and accurate representation of a discussion among many people who had many different points of view and many different reasons for those points of view. For example, I think many editors would contest your implicit assumption that the central question is that of whether Serbo-Croatian is a single language: even if it is, various arguments were put forth in favor of treating it under separate L2 headers for each ISO-coded entity, and even if it isn't, various arguments were put forth in favor of treating all of its sub-languages under a single L2 header. —Ruakh TALK 22:48, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Of the arguments for 5 l2 headers that I saw, none of them were anything I could take seriously. I think you're taking my "This is the entire discussion" a touch too literally. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 23:06, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

 * You and Ivan both need to stop making offensive comments and then, when you're called on them, claiming that you were joking, or accusing your interlocutors of taking your statements too literally. There are many uses of humor, and many uses of non-literal language. Maybe y'all should learn about those, and stop using them wrong. —Ruakh TALK 23:59, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

 * If you're going to take everything I say word-for-word literally, then just don't bother paying attention. Even when we don't agree in basic business, you tend to take issue with my delivery. When I make offensive comments, I don't tend to sidestep around them... but I don't feel I've said anything particularly offensive here. Except the political dorks thing, that was what I thought was worst. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 00:08, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

 * I don't take it word-for-word literally, no, but since when does "This is the entire discussion" mean "This is my opinion, which you presumably already know, and certainly haven't asked for"? A word-for-word literal interpretation would be that you thought you were literally repeating the entire discussion; instead, I assumed the natural idiomatic interpretation, which is that you thought you were summarizing the entire discussion, or boiling it down to its essence. If I started a comment that way, the rest of the comment would be my attempt to fairly and succinctly present the major points of view, not an attempt to re-iterate my own opinion while insulting and attacking the motivations of some of those who disagreed with me, while disregarding the existence of everyone else who did.
 * And yes, I tend to take issue with your delivery, because your delivery tends to suck. ;-)  It's possible to express an opinion in a way that helps other people understand where you're coming from, and that invites other people to help you understand where they're coming from in turn; and then it's possible to express an opinion in a way that makes people who agree with you regret that they do. I don't need to tell you which one I think you do.
 * —Ruakh TALK 00:43, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

 * "It's possible to express an opinion in a way that helps other people understand where you're coming from, and that invites other people to help you understand where they're coming from in turn" Do you realize that you're not currently doing that? You're reading to me as "I wish you weren't such a dick, why don't you just shut your mouth". — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 13:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry. That's not what I'm trying to say. I mean, the "I wish you weren't such a dick" part is basically right, though I wouldn't put it like that; but I'm really not asking you to shut your mouth. I just want you to be more civil. I don't think you realize how many good editors have left this project because of the abuse that you and Stambuk dish out. (You're not as bad as Stambuk — he's abusive toward anyone who disagrees with him, whereas you seem to try to restrict yourself to targets that you think deserve it — but both of you drive people away. Just because the target of your abuse may deserve it, that doesn't mean that everyone else deserves it!) —Ruakh TALK 13:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

(this indent is ridiculous) You know I'm perfectly capable of being civil. Even with a reason to be angry, unless it's serious I'm generally pretty relaxed. Even when you point out that there are worse than me, you make it sound like our userbase is half of what it would be if it weren't for my nearly complete lack of self control or ability to be civil. There are a lot of people here who drive me completely crazy, for a variety of reasons. But I'm still here taking the shit. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 14:12, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Swahili
Thank you for your corrective not in Tamil Wiktionary! Yes, it is saba and not siba. It is my mistake. Now, it is corrected. Please feel free to correct me. I learnt just a little when I was in Tanzania while climbing Kilimanjaro and I've quite a number of reliable books and I've a sense of the language (not that I'm proficient in it, far from it). I'm trying to add basic words. Thanks for your help.--C.R.Selvakumar 00:52, 31 May 2010 (UTC) (Tamil Wiki userid செல்வா).

Tbot - hamster

 * 1) I note that Tbot edited the Greek translation for hamster - removing the "sc=Grek" argument. However I tried out the assisted translation system (for freesia) which adds an "sc" argument. Is there a bug in one or the other? Is "sc" a valid argument?
 * 2) Is the (automatic transliteration) system mentioned to me by Conrad last August likely to be used anywhere?
 * cheers — Saltmarsh απάντηση 05:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

 * 1) The sc parameter is valid; Tbot is eliding it because it isn't needed in this case;  does the right thing. The assist just adds it in all cases, lets Tbot do the details, mostly the +/- stuff which requires its entire database. (My bots have an index to all the wikts; that's how Interwicket can do its thing without constantly hunting around like the pywikipedia bot does ;-)
 * 2) Don't know. You'd have to ask him what's up. Robert Ullmann 05:40, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Code-breaking bullets
Hi Robert. Do you remember when the initial bullets were taken out of &c. because their inclusion meant that the templates couldn't be used in <tt> </tt> tags? Now a similar problem exists with, whose initial bullet means that the template can't be used at the end of a list of quotations directly following a definition (which is a necessary structure to take advantage of Atelaes's new quotations-hiding code), as in amnicolist (wherein the same text is given, sans template). I don't want to just take it out, because there may be transclusions that rely on that bullet. Could you tell AF to insert a bullet before every transclusion of that template, as was done with the various <tt>R:</tt>-prefixed templates? Once it's done that, the bullet in the template code can be taken out without ill-effect. BTW, has already had its initial bullet removed. — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 02:28, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Done, but I'm not going to restart AF until at least tomorrow because of network problems. (It is stable right now, don't need it to be doing startup while I'm fixing other things.) There are 41 of them (as of 31.5.10). You might as well take it out now, it isn't going to break anything serious, and will get fixed presently. Robert Ullmann 07:50, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * AF restarted; see edit Robert Ullmann 09:57, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Cool, thanks. Is it now safe to take the bullet out of the template?  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 22:19, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Yes. Might be a few left, will be fixed in a day or so at most. Robert Ullmann 02:04, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Done. Thanks. Do you intend to remove that task from AF's list after it's done adding the bullets? Otherwise, I can foresee unwanted bullets being added in future.  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 02:10, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

 * No, it will continue. It only adds the bullet (*) when the template is at the start of a line. There are (as you noted) a number of templates like this. Robert Ullmann 02:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

 * That should be fine. I can't imagine a situation where the template should exist at the start of a line without a bullet before it.  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 02:38, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Hot Cat
Firstly, are you aware of the discussion about adapting HotCat for Wiktionary? If not, see WT:GP. I ask because I'm proposing a way forward that would add (maybe significantly, I have no idea) to AF's workload and so your comments would be appreciated.

Also, does AF detect when categories are added for languages that aren't on the page? e.g. if Category:de:Cities was added to a page with no German section? If so, how does it deal with them? Thryduulf (talk) 18:15, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Please now see also WT:BP. Thryduulf (talk) 21:40, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Update problem lists
Could you update User:Robert Ullmann/Trans languages/uncoded and User:Robert Ullmann/L2/invalid? Thanks. --Bequw → τ 20:54, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Bequw → τ 14:49, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you know why they both list lots of valid languages (eg "Japanese")? --Bequw → τ 20:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Because you "helpfully" deleted (e.g.)  from the template text, so the code can't identify the language templates from the wikitext. Put the category back in the template itself properly:

Japanese

 * (the whole "documentation" thing is crap from WP anyway, we don't want interwiki bots in template namespace, and the doc shouldn't be in content dumps, it should be in talkspace; etc. the /names thing is also pollution in NS:10, should be in 11 ;-) Robert Ullmann 08:44, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it be simpler/cleaner/easier to amend your program with the 2-3 lines required to check for the cat in the /doc subpage (it's not like NS0 where categories can get inserted from any random template). It would be a nightmare to have it inconsistent as to whether a cat should be in the template or /doc subpage. The doc subpage is useful for other reasons, but what's the problem with template interwikis? I find them interesting and helpful. The exact namespace used is tangential to using subpages. They could use "Template talk:.../names" and "Template talk:.../doc". Bring it up in the GP if you care. BTW, I don't know if you saw the conversations, but alpha-3 codes that are dups of alpha-2 codes where made into redirects. Don't want further things to break ;-) --Bequw → τ 16:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it be simpler/easier/cleaner not to introduce a layer of crap that accomplishes nothing other than breaking things?
 * Keep in mind that when the program is looking at the template page, the /doc subpage is nowhere nearby, it is somewhere else in a 1.4 GB dump file with no random access. It isn't 2-3 lines of code by any stretch. I can figure it out, but could we have some consideration for the poor people who are trying to re-use our data whose tools and s/w are broken over and over again by useless changes? There just was no reason whatsoever to do this. None.
 * I'll consider fixing it sometime. For now: you broke it, don't complain you don't have the report(s). Eh? Do I have a bad attitude today? (-) Robert Ullmann 09:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Send me the code and I'll fix it for you.--Bequw → τ 17:31, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I improvised, taking anything in the "right" format that shows up at level 2. Is not close to perfect, but it is just a work list, so it doesn't have to be. see User:Robert Ullmann/code/level2. Robert Ullmann 17:47, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks a bunch. --Bequw → τ 16:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Parenthetical translations
Is there a way for edits like this (with parentheses included in the translation) to be idnetified and listed for cleanup? I'm finding quite a few of them. --EncycloPetey 00:23, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Let me take a look at what sort they are and how many (XML scan) a bit later today. Robert Ullmann 06:24, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation exceptions and mismatched wikisyntax
Cheers for regenerating these - I was going to ask in a couple of days!

Having had a quick scan through both reports there are two things I'd like if possible:
 * 1) Exclude the contents of  templates from the pronunciation exceptions report, and then regenerate
 * 2) check to see if you can fix the tail end of multiline templates being caught in the mismatched syntax report, see User talk:Robert Ullmann/Mismatched wikisyntax. An example from the current report is Moldavija where the end of  is being matched as a problem, depsite it being on the multiline templates list.

Even if you can't do either of these, could you regenerate the syntax report again, as a large number of the problems are the mutliline which I've just added to the multiline templates list.

Cheers, Thryduulf (talk) 12:29, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

 * made a couple of changes, removed audio from pron report, changed multiline tail line, but now it accepts too much. Will have to re-work at some point. You'll still see {reference-book} when it starts within a line. Running both now. Robert Ullmann 12:54, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

 * done. Robert Ullmann 14:43, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

IPA chars and {rfp}

 * (report being discussed is User:Robert Ullmann/IPAchars)

Cheers for that report - I'll have a look in detail when I have time and see if there is anything automatable or easily fixable.

By the way have you spotted the requests relating to at the bottom of AF's talk page? I suspect one (adding lang= to the requests) is pretty simple to do. The other I guess will be more complicated, and might not be worth it, I don't know, but worth a thought. Thryduulf (talk) 09:34, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

 * the code to add lang= to IPA is very specific, could generalize. Moving {rfp} is complicated, not something there is existing structure for, and it is a cleanup/request template that should go away anyway; I don't think (at present) it is worth it.

 * the report is quite interesting, there are some things that just need to be fixed in individual entries, and others that could take some serious attention. one thing I noted is that some non-trivial amount is junk imported by Tbot, hopefully to be fixed when an entry is fixed, but may not be.

 * do we have anything resembling a list of valid IPA chars? there are some very creative things in that report. Robert Ullmann 09:55, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * not yet, but it shouldn't be terribly hard to do one. Certainly, capital letters should never occur in pronunciation sections because the IPA is caseless, yet I see quite a few occurences in that list. -- Prince Kassad 14:24, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There isn't a single brilliant page that I've found on the internet for this is probably the best presentation but omits the range a-z; Phonetic symbols in Unicode contains all the characters but the presentation is not brilliant and may be quite difficult for automation to parse. Would an appendix giving simple presentation of all the characters, names and codepoints for the IPA (and separate ones for other scripts) be useful and within Wiktionary's remit? Thryduulf (talk) 21:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The list could be put in AutoFormat's user namespace. That way, there would be no problems. -- Prince Kassad 21:57, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I was just thinking that if it is within our remit, then it would be a good resource for others. Thryduulf (talk) 23:25, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * should be a perfectly good appendix Robert Ullmann 11:01, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I've fixed a few things, dealing with cases where someone has put things like "IPAchar" inside the IPA templates (!). I'll see if perhaps the pronex report can list those. Lots fewer stray capital letters now.

Are we supposed to use the IPA stress mark and not apostrophe? (and some similar cases). Robert Ullmann 11:01, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. U+0027, U+02BC and U+02B9 should all be converted to U+02C8. Thryduulf (talk) 11:37, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I've gone through all of the ones using " and a good number were SAMPA mislabelled as IPA. Of these, all were the second IPA template on the line, so the following rules should enable them to be automatically converted:
 * Any IPA template that is the second IPA template on a line that contains no SAMPA template(s) (ignore other templates and other lines)
 * AND which contains at any two or more of the following: Capital letters, \, ", @, %, =, ~, `
 * Any that match one of those rules, or which contain only one of those should be part of the pronunciation exceptiosn report. Thryduulf (talk) 11:57, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait a moment! The apostrophe is also used for denoting ejectives in IPA. It's perfectly valid, but most of the time, it's used incorrectly as a stress mark. -- Prince Kassad 13:18, 1 August 2010 (UTC) addendum: I started an appendix on Appendix:IPA characters. I'm working on finishing it in the next time. -- Prince Kassad 13:34, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ejectives use modifier apostrophe (02B9), not apostrophe (0027). which is not to say that they do here. AFAICT, 0027 is never valid; it should always be 02C8 or 02B9. so how to sort them? They are specific to small sets of languages. Hmmm... Robert Ullmann 15:23, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * An apostrophe that appears at the very beginning of an IPA transcription, before any consonants or vowels, can only be a stress sign. Also, feel free to review the Appendix because I finished it. Note especially stuff I may have missed. -- Prince Kassad 15:27, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed more generally, any 0027 apostrophe that does not follow one of the small set of consonants (t, q, k, etc) used for ejectives must be a stress sign (or, of course, an error, there are just a few of those ;-). and any apostrophe in most languages. I wonder how careful contributors to the few languages that do have them have been?
 * (Firefox does not think "ejectives" is spelled correctly, but "ejective" is ... doesn't know the noun form ;-) Robert Ullmann 15:38, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Both entries that had an exclamation mark in the pronunciation section, the ! was actually part of the html comment opening tag <!-->. I've removed the need for one of them, and moved the other comment outside the IPA template. That should be all there is of these for the moment. For future instances, AF should flag a html comment inside a pronunciation transcription template on the exceptions report, and completely ignore comments for the purposes of invalid characters. Thryduulf (talk) 01:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Additional note on the issue of AF and comments: I've seen situations where AF altered the spacing within html comments, so a general fix that allows AF to recognize and ignore formatting within such comment would probably solve several issues in one swell foop. --EncycloPetey 01:58, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * yes, better handling of HTML comments is a long-outstanding issue. probably should get to it. (They really shouldn't exist, part of the point of wikitext is to target any rendering language, not just (X)HTML, but we do have quite a bit mixed in; we have tried to keep all the explicit HTML in templates and not in entry text. That's just as an aside ;-)
 * AF and the IPA issues are getting a bit conflated here; the only connection to AF is if and when we can give it simple rules. Robert Ullmann 10:12, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Please continue re 0027 apostrophe and AF at User talk:AutoFormat. I've added a couple of sections to the report. Robert Ullmann 12:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Grease pit
Mglovesfun (talk) 14:08, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Usability Initiative Rollout (Vector): Sep 1
Hi Robert. I wanted to get in touch with you and a few other members of the Wiktionary community about the upcoming rollout of the Usability Initiative features (Vector and enhanced editing features). I was referred to you by DCDuring who thought you might be a good person to reach out to. We’ve already rolled out the changes to approximately 100 projects and are currently planning on rolling out the new features the remaining Wikimedia projects (including Wiktionary) on September 1 and hope to have any blocking issues resolved by August 25.

As I’m sure you know, some gadgets and customizations may not be compatible with Vector. Would it be possible for you to help us identify the major incompatibilities? We’re using Bugzilla to track issues (please file under "Usability Initiative"). Also, our FAQ page has info on how to test Vector.

I look forward to your feedback! Howief 22:06, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Tbot not adding for hy
Tbot is not adding for  anymore. Has something happened? --Vahag 12:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Telugu wiktionary improvements
Thanks for your feedback. Telugu Wiktionary is dormant for some time, we will be in touch once the activity picks up.-- Arjunaraoc 12:37, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

123abc is back
Can you remind me how to do a range block? 123abc is back and creating toneless pinyin entries. Thanks. ---> Tooironic 07:56, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Wiki has no rule to ban toneless Pinyin entries. 91.106.61.184 08:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Interwicket
Hi Robert,

I noticed that this is the last interwicket edit at nl.wikt? Is there something wrong?

nl:wikt:Gebruiker:Jcwf Jcwf 20:37, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Amgine was rebuilding the support server, and I haven't been feeling well for a day or so. Will get fixed presently :-) Robert Ullmann 04:57, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Ah, thought there had to be a reason! Get well! Your efforts are widely appreciated.

Jcwf 17:08, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

range block
[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion#xinxueguanbing 91.106.0.0 has been blocked. However, he shouldn't block me in a range block. A range block can also affect other users.] 91.104.37.64

 * Simple solution #1 - make an account — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 18:07, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
for reactivating Interwicket :) --Ooswesthoesbes 04:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Linotype
Hi,

you said on your bot page that the Linotype is familiar to you.

Can you help the french Wikipedia? We are looking for the wright glyph order on the french Linotype keyboard. I've found a picture (given at the bottom of the article) but it's not easy to guess the letters.

Thanks a lot for your help,

fr:Discussion_utilisateur:Yuga (prefer wiki/Utilisateur:Yuga)

---Le même en français---

Bonjour,

vous avez indiqué sur la page utilisateur de votre robot (Interwicket, le 28 avril 2009 à 17:04 (UTC)) que vous connaissez bien le clavier anglais de la machine à écrire Linotype.

Pouvez-vous venir en aide aux contributeurs de la Wikipédia francophone ? Nous cherchons à connaître l'ordre des symboles, et sur l'image que j'ai trouvée sur internet (indiquée en lien dans les sources, au bas de l'article), cela n'est pas très clair (par exemple je ne parviens pas à déchiffrer le "k" ou le "w").

Merci d'avance pour votre aide,

Yuga (répondre sur cette même page, ou si vous le souhaitez sur ma page utilisateur de Wikipedia).

~le 07/11/2010 à 14:30~
 * Just to let you know that Robert is currently inactive, but will probably come back when he can. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:44, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

interwicket
Hi Robert, Did interwicket's server run into trouble again? nl:Gebruiker:Jcwf
 * Hello, please see User_talk:Interwicket. It seems to be an emergency. -- Quentinv57 ✍   17:18, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Robert. I can see that you are a generalist. You were misled....
I think you might have tweaked an entry on a Sanskrit word which is used in Buddhism in which you may have copied off a polemical opponent of the kind of Buddhism you were defining. You have such a vast scope of activities it is easy to understand how you might have been focusing on other things an missed that. I at first thought the material, considered insulting to Southeast Asians, was the work of someone intentionally insulting Theravada Buddhism but I can see that is not the case. No hard feelings, thanks. Geof Bard 06:48, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Removal of Interwicket's bot status
Hi. As your bot has been inactive for months and nobody is there to check its contributions, we are going to remove his bot status... If you wish to use it again in the future months, please just answer that it's the case. Thanks by advance. -- Quentinv57 ✍   13:41, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This is only a hunch, but I think Robert's passed away. Last I heard on his facebook, he was very ill, and the fact he's been inactive since makes me think he hasn't made it. --Mglovesfun (talk) 13:48, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Robert, come back! :( Maro 23:25, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * R.I.P. 69.228.93.236 21:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Robert Ullmann/2010–2011


text:
Arkta Oceano

Proper noun

 * 1) Arctic Ocean

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: Arkta Oceano


text: Arktan Oceanon

title: Arktan Oceanon


text: Chiksuyu

title: Chiksuyu


text:
Suda Oceano

Proper noun

 * 1) Southern Ocean

title: Suda Oceano


text: Sudan Oceanon

title: Sudan Oceanon


text:
二十一

Numeral

 * 1) twenty-one; 21

Numeral

 * 1) twenty-one; 21

title: 二十一


text:
Chinchay Kuriya

Proper noun

 * 1) North Korea

title: Chinchay Kuriya


text:
Antarkta Oceano

Proper noun

 * 1) Antarctic Ocean; Southern Ocean

title: Antarkta Oceano


text: Antarktan Oceanon

title: Antarktan Oceanon


text:
gentillesse

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) kindness; niceness

title: gentillesse


text: gentillesses

title: gentillesses


text:
Talk:yuk it up

Which region of English does this come from? I've never heard it before. Tooironic 23:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

 * As a matter of fact, neither have I. Cdhaptomos 00:00, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Seems to be US English, glancing at Google Books. Equinox ◑ 00:09, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

 * It is. I hear it in Texas sometimes, but it's pretty uncommon. laugh it up is more common, IMO. Ultimateria 00:14, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Definitely US. 5 hits at COCA. None at BNC. No bgc hits until late 1940s. "Yuk" is supposed to be onomatopoeia for a kind of laugh. DCDuring TALK * Holiday Greetings! 01:00, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

 * OK, I've modified the entry accordingly. Cheers. Tooironic 01:28, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

RFV discussion
Rfv-sense: To laugh; to chortle; to have fun. These aren't synonyms. I thought this is more like "clown around", "fool around", "goof off". DCDuring TALK * Holiday Greetings! 15:59, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

 * RFV failed, sense removed. —Ruakh TALK 23:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

title: Talk:yuk it up


text:
amebo

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) amoeba

Etymology
, from.

title: amebo


text: amebi

title: amebi


text: ameboj

title: ameboj


text: amebon

title: amebon


text: amebojn

title: amebojn


text:
User talk:Leolaursen/2010a

Older discussions

 * User talk:Leolaursen/2009

Trold ²
Halløj, Leo!

Kunne du være så venlig at svare på dette spørgsmål jeg stilte?

''Cit.:
 * «But I guess we should think more about putting a stress mark before Danish monosyllables: it could be confusing, e.g. when compared to Swedish and Norwegian languages and most dialects. What's your opinion about this point? And shouldn't it be good to talk with other native Danish and other native Scandinavian language speakers and linguists (i.e. I would not take part, because my mother tongues are Ukrainian and Crimean Tatar) to reach the best option?»''

Hjertelig tak! Endnu en hilsen, og jeg ønsker dig et godt nyt år. ৵ Kąġi Oȟąko Ƭ 22:46, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure why stress in monosyllables would be confusing in relation to Swedish and Norwegian. They can be with or without, sometimes dependent of context.

 * ☞ I cannot find anymore where it was, but I have read somewhere on some Wikipedia (or was it round here?) that the stress marks for monosyllabic Danish words are unnecessary in IPA transcriptions, as Danish is not a tonal language, like e.g. Swedish. I just found what Danish: Accent, §1, Phonology: Stød, §1, Danish Sound system («It can be the only distinguishing feature between certain words, thus creating minimal pairs (e.g. bønder "peasants" with stød vs. bønner "beans" or "prayers" without). The distribution of stød in the lexicon is clearly related to the distribution of the common Scandinavian tonal word accents found in most dialects of Norwegian and Swedish […]») and Stød. Med venlig hilsen ৵ Kąġi Oȟąko Ƭ 09:12, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

 * It would be nice to talk to other people, especially linguists with an advanced level of Danish. Is there any? It would be nice with a style guide for Danish and some Danish appendices, e.g. for Danish pronunciation, but I don't feel up to setting that process in motion, so I simply try to bring the Danish entries up to a standard where linguists might find it interesting to contribute.

 * About the first point: I am sure we will find Danish native speakers* (it's far easier for this language than for Samoan or Tajik…), and the guidelines suggest it is better to talk and work collectively to enhance the quality of the articles. Would you mind taking a few moments to find such people and open a talk about a style guide for Danish and some Danish appendices?
 * *I insist on this: That's not because: 1. I lived and studied during eight years in Sweden; 2. I learned Swedish with my father 22 years before my family went to Sweden; 3. I studied ethnology (and thus, had or chose to learn several languages), that I automatically have the necessary expertise to assert something about the language, like an educated, native speaker would.

 * ☞ I do agree with you about the second point. I guess most of us try to do our best and there is no doubt in my mind about what you've done already here, and what you'd do in the future, Leo. Mvh ৵ Kąġi Oȟąko Ƭ 09:12, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Kind regards, and a Happy New Year to you too.--Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 08:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

 * I've added myself to Wiktionarians, as a Danish native speaker. There was only one, and he appear to be inactive. Category:User da-N has only a dozen people. I don't regard being a native speaker as a big thing, usually foreigners with an advanced level have a much better grasp of Danish linguistics. As for opening a talk with Danish native speakers, I'll consider it and keep a eye on who's active; but right now I'll concentrate on the Danish entries.--Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 12:23, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Udtale
Godaften, Leo! - Jeg er ny her, og har kun lavet nogle enkelte tilføjelser indtil videre. Jeg opdagede, at du tilføjer nogle meget præcise fonetiske transkriptioner af danske ord. Er disse nogle du selv laver, baseret på din egen udtale eller rigsdansk, eller er de baseret på andre kilder? Jeg er interesseret i det eftersom jeg gladeligt selv vil tilføje fonetiske transkriptioner af ord jeg eventuelt måtte tilføje i fremtiden, men jeg har ingen egentlig baggrund i fonetik, og vil derfor ikke begynde at lave fonetiske transkriptioner selv. Hvis dine transkriptioner er baseret på andre kilder vil jeg derfor gerne høre mere. -- Llonydd 19:08, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Hej Llonydd. Som oftest tager jeg udgangspunkt i udtalen i Den Danske Ordbog, men jeg følger principperne fra bogen "Fonetik & Fonologi" af Nina Grønnum. DDO på nettet har nu også udtale i IPA, men de bruger et lidt anderledes system. I øvrigt foretrækker jeg at holde diskussioner på engelsk så andre interesserede kan følge med.--Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 19:22, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Hej igen! Tusind tak for dit svar. En anden gang vil jeg kontakte dig på engelsk. -- Llonydd 19:43, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Curious
Why instead of,  instead of , etc? — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 18:45, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

 * The phonems are pronounced  when they are initial, but  when final. When words are spelled with p, t, k in a final position, they are considered as  phonemes, even though the pronunciation is identical to the phonemes . (hope this makes sense)--Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 21:42, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

tomater
Is this Danish too? Or another Scandinavian language? the tomato? --Rising Sun talk? 11:15, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It's the plural indefinite of tomat ("tomato") in Danish. – Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 11:26, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

der er aldrig for sent at give op
If the form with det is the correct one, then the page should be moved to. †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 19:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah; I didn't notice that, I'll make the move, thanks.--Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 21:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

inflection/form of
Fair enough on the revert, I did it because I noticed that the Danish word was described as "Plural indefinite" while the Norwegian and Swedish are labelled "indefinite plural". I think that sort of inconsistency doesn't look professional, but the inconsistency between Danish entries (that I wasn't aware of) would be equally so.

I'll bring this up at the beep parlour, but not immediately as I don't have time at this moment. Thryduulf 18:44, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

block tools
Hi Leo, cases like these are where you need to use the Special:Block tool --Rising Sun talk? 16:53, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes thanks. I was trying to decide whether to block the user or the IP or both. It seems that the IP was blocked, when the user was. – Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 17:00, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

List of Danish words or good Danish online dictionary
Hi there Leolaursen. I want to know if you know of any good Danish online sources with lists of Danish words and their English counterparts. I would like to use it on another site that I go onto, and being able to find good, reliable sites with good, reliable translations would be very helpful. Please let me know on my talk page of any. Thanks, Razorflame 21:01, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

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You should actually keep the redirect in this case, because the difference is typographical, not spelling. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I figured it was a mistake, since the sentence before the comma is a full sentence in itself, and also the subject for the last.--Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 20:45, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

title: User talk:Leolaursen/2010a


text:
huisbrandolie

Etymology
Compound of.

Noun

 * 1) heating oil

title: huisbrandolie


text: hommages

title: hommages


text:
smeerolie

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) motor oil

title: smeerolie


text:
cockroachlike

Adjective

 * 1) Resembling or characteristic of a cockroach.

title: cockroachlike


text: ruston

title: ruston


text:
štoudev

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) bigger wooden container
 * 2) smaller vat with an open top; a smaller káď
 * 1) smaller vat with an open top; a smaller káď

title: štoudev


text:
clown around

Verb

 * 1) To have fun in an irresponsible manner.

Translations

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Finnish:
 * German: herumdameln
 * Latin: scurror, dēsipiō
 * Russian:
 * Spanish:
 * Swedish: spela pajas, fåna sig,, clowna runt,

title: clown around


text: bōxuē

title: bōxuē


text:
káď

Etymology
, from.

Noun

 * 1) vat an open top container for liquid or friable products with a capacity of tens to hundreds of liters

title: káď


text: half baths

title: half baths


text:
naaki góneʼ yéigo daʼahijoogą́ą́ʼ

Etymology
+ +, from

Noun

 * 1) World War II

title: naaki góneʼ yéigo daʼahijoogą́ą́ʼ


text:
motorolie

Noun

 * 1) motor oil

title: motorolie


text:
tsin naaʼeeł bee daʼahijighánígíí

Etymology
+ +  +

Noun

 * 1) battleship

title: tsin naaʼeeł bee daʼahijighánígíí


text:
esclipsement

Noun

 * 1) eclipse

title: esclipsement


text:
Tsé Bitʼaʼí

Etymology
+ +

Proper noun

 * 1) Shiprock (a rock formation in New Mexico)

title: Tsé Bitʼaʼí


text:
Bidááʼ Haʼaztʼiʼ Tsékooh

Proper noun

 * 1) Grand Canyon

title: Bidááʼ Haʼaztʼiʼ Tsékooh


text:
vědro

Etymology
, from.

Noun

 * 1) bucket, pail

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) bucket, pail

title: vědro


text:
tłʼoh

Etymology
Cognate with Sarcee (guu)tłʼowí, Chipewyan tłʼog, Beaver tłʼógi, Carrier tłʼooh, Sekani tłʼóó, Ahtna tłʼogh, and with Ket daan.

Noun

 * 1) grass
 * 2) hay, straw

title: tłʼoh


text:
lókʼaatsoh

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) bamboo

title: lókʼaatsoh


text:
Naʼnízhoozhí

Etymology
, the planks being laid side by side across an expanse (literally, something lies side by side across). Naʼnízhoozhí refers to the old foot bridge spanning the Rio Puerco River across from the Santa Fe Railway station.

title: Naʼnízhoozhí


text:
Tségháhoodzání

Etymology
+ +  +  +  +

Proper noun

 * 1) Window Rock, a census-designated place in Arizona, United States

title: Tségháhoodzání


text:
kuif

Etymology
A fairly young word and not attested in Middle Dutch. Related to and.

Noun

 * 1) A crest of plumage or hair (on an animal).
 * 2) Any hairstyle that resembles a crest (including a quiff).

title: kuif


text: kuiven

title: kuiven


text: kuifje

title: kuifje


text: kuifjes

title: kuifjes


text: Kamboĝo

title: Kamboĝo


text: Kamboĝon

title: Kamboĝon


text:
toog

Etymology
From, from , from or , from  + , similar to 🇨🇬. Alternatively from +.

Noun

 * 1)  shop counter
 * 1)  shop counter
 * 1)  shop counter
 * 1)  shop counter
 * 1)  shop counter

title: toog


text:
togen

Etymology
From, from , from + , similar to 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to show

title: togen


text:
scheur

Etymology 1
From, , from , , related to.

Cognate with 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) crack, fissure

title: scheur


text: scheurtje

title: scheurtje


text:
eua

Etymology
From Old Lombard , from.

Noun

 * 1)  water

Noun

 * 1) thorn

Etymology
From Pre-Palauan *wað, from, from.

Numeral

 * 1)  four

Verb

 * 1)  to purify, cleanse
 * 2) to whiten

Related terms

 * -eupe

title: eua


text:
Wiktionary talk:Votes/pl-2009-12/Treatment of toneless pinyin syllables

This vote is needlessly complicated. I do not understand how and where to vote.

Why doesn't a simple Support Option 1, Support Option 2, Support Option 3, Support Option 4, Retain current situation, Oppose all do? -- Prince Kassad 01:03, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I posted the notice for it in the beer parlor weeks ago - no one has said anything about it since, so I figured at was clear enough. That discussion lays out the options in more detail, so I'll copy it here, but basically you should support the option or options you think best, oppose the option or options you think, and abstain from the rest. bd2412 T 03:35, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Here is the Beer Parlor discussion:

I am preparing the a vote at Votes/pl-2009-12/Treatment of toneless pinyin syllables, regarding our options for the presentation of toneless pinyin syllables, discussed above at.

A fundamental feature of spoken Chinese is the use of tones - four specific variations in pronunciation which can impart different meanings on any of the ~410 basic syllable combinations which make up the language. Chinese characters are romanised using pinyin, these tones are usually represented as either accents over the affected vowel, or numbers next to the syllable (for example mā and ma1). There are numerous instances of "toneless pinyin" out there in the wild - that is, instances where someone has used words that should have a tone, but left the tone out. This is particularly prevalent in the names of Chinese cities (like Beijing, which is bei and jing), with Chinese street signs, on Chinese currency, in certain official documents, in Chinese Restaurant names, and in certain common menu items (e.g. kung pao chicken and wontons), as well as in some books and bibliographies discussed earlier. I made entries for all 410 or so toneless pinyin syllables in 2007. We have four basic options on how to treat these, with examples set forth below.

The first is to continue using the format that I used in making the initial entries. From gang:

Pinyin syllable
gang

 * 1) A transliteration of any of a number of Chinese characters properly represented as having one of three tones, gāng, gǎng, or gàng.

Usage notes
English transcriptions of Chinese speech often fail to distinguish between the critical tonal differences employed in the Chinese language, using words such as this one without the appropriate indication of tone.

The second option is to treat them as misspellings. From chan:

Pinyin syllable
chan

Usage notes
English transcriptions of Chinese speech often fail to distinguish between the critical tonal differences employed in the Chinese language, using words such as this one without the appropriate indication of tone.

The third option is to treat them as alternative spellings. From zhen:

Pinyin syllable
zhen

Usage notes
English transcriptions of Chinese speech often fail to distinguish between the critical tonal differences employed in the Chinese language, using words such as this one without the appropriate indication of tone.

The fourth option is to exclude them altogether. A side issue is, if they are retained in any form, whether to also include the usage note which I added when I made the initial entries.

Cheers! bd2412 T 03:37, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Template:nonstandard spelling of
That would be my #1 choice. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:17, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I wish you had suggested that before the vote started - that's somewhere between an alternate spelling and a misspelling, and fits just right. Then again, these really are used like alternate spellings in terms of the street signs and currencies. bd2412 T 17:11, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I could have done more to promote discussion of this vote before it began, and since voting has been light so far, I've added this option and informed previous voters of the addition. Cheers! bd2412 T 00:50, 3 January 2010 (UTC)


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Tsiiʼyishbizhí Dineʼé

Etymology
From atsiiʼ (“hair”) + yishbizh (“braided”), literally "braided-hair people".

Noun

 * 1) Chinese people

title: Tsiiʼyishbizhí Dineʼé


text:
Akałii bikéyah

Proper noun

 * 1) Texas

title: Akałii bikéyah


text:
Ahééháshį́į́h Hahoodzo

Etymology
Literally, it's always summer, from +    (compare ); and.

title: Ahééháshį́į́h Hahoodzo


text: kevers

title: kevers


text: kevertje

title: kevertje


text: kevertjes

title: kevertjes


text: mestkevers

title: mestkevers


text: mestkevertje

title: mestkevertje


text: mestkevertjes

title: mestkevertjes


text:
tązhii

Etymology
From the root.

Noun

 * 1) turkey

title: tązhii


text: Sehnsüchten

title: Sehnsüchten


text:
Tóʼííbézhí Hahoodzo

Proper noun

 * 1) Wyoming

title: Tóʼííbézhí Hahoodzo


text:
sehnsüchtig

Adjective

 * 1) longing, wishful

Adverb

 * 1) longingly, wishfully

title: sehnsüchtig


text:
Karnátaka

Etymology
.

title: Karnátaka


text:
ഉച്ചാരണം

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) pronunciation

title: ഉച്ചാരണം


text:
kúrín

Noun

 * 1) curium chemical element

title: kúrín


title: User:Qfl247


text:
ꦏꦼꦩꦸꦭ꧀

Noun

 * 1) blanket

title: ꦏꦼꦩꦸꦭ꧀


text:
یاخته

Noun

 * 1)  cell
 * 2) room
 * 1) room

title: یاخته


text:
местоимени

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) pronoun

title: местоимени


text:
liumbo

Noun

 * 1) shape

title: liumbo


text:
waskuyeca

Noun

 * 1) fruit, berries

title: waskuyeca


text:
groundburst

Noun

 * 1) The explosion of a bomb dropped from the air when it hits the ground.

title: groundburst


text:
iskanpatha

Noun

 * 1) cockroach

title: iskanpatha


text: acoustic neuromas

title: acoustic neuromas


text:
ሰዋሰው

Noun

 * 1) grammar

title: ሰዋሰው


text:
گوینده

Noun

 * 1) speaker
 * 2) narrator
 * 3) orator
 * 4) author

title: گوینده


text:
postulatum

Noun

 * 1) A postulate.

Noun

 * 1) a demand, request
 * 2) a claim, complain
 * 1) a claim, complain

title: postulatum


text:
поселенец

Noun

 * 1) settler

title: поселенец


text:
amarante

Adjective

 * 1) amaranth (color)

Noun

 * 1) amaranth (herb)
 * 2) purpleheart (tree)
 * 3) amaranth (colour)

title: amarante


text:
protoxyde

Noun

 * 1) monoxide (oxide containing a single oxygen atom)

title: protoxyde


text:
merkurioa

Noun

 * 1) mercury

title: merkurioa


text:
Finagle's law

Proper noun

 * 1) An adage which states that if anything can go wrong, then it will at the worst possible moment.

title: Finagle's law


text:
kinderarts

Etymology
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬.

title: kinderarts


text: kinderartsen

title: kinderartsen


text:
urithi

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) inheritance

title: urithi


text:
უთო

Etymology
Likely from. Also compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) clothes iron,

title: უთო


text: kalvaj

title: kalvaj


text: kalvajn

title: kalvajn


text:
колядка

Noun

 * 1) Christmas carol

Noun

 * , Christmas carol
 * , Christmas caroling

title: колядка


text:
монохромный

Adjective

 * 1) monochrome

title: монохромный


text:
fissurelike

Adjective

 * 1) Resembling a fissure.

title: fissurelike


text: kategorioj

title: kategorioj


text: kategorion

title: kategorion


text: kategoriojn

title: kategoriojn


text:
locuteur natif

Noun

 * 1) native speaker a person who grew up with a particular language as their mother tongue

title: locuteur natif


text:
Muttersprachler

Noun

 * 1) native speaker  (a person who grew up with a particular language as their mother tongue)

title: Muttersprachler


text:
κλάω

Etymology 1
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to break, to break off, to break into pieces
 * 2)  to be broken or deflected
 * 3) to break, to weaken, to frustrate

Etymology 2
Attic form of. Root of.

Verb
of

Conjugation

 * See at κλαίω.

title: κλάω


text:
Պասիր Ռիս

Proper noun

 * 1) Pasir Ris

title: Պասիր Ռիս


text: Category:hy:Singapore

title: Category:hy:Singapore


text:
Բեդոկ

Proper noun

 * 1) Bedok

title: Բեդոկ


text:
parasynthesis

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1)  The formation of words by a combination of compounding and adding an affix, as in brown-eyed.
 * 2)  The formation of words in which the prefixing and the suffixing are involved simultaneously, as in multifaceted.

Translations

 * Catalan:
 * French:
 * Galician:
 * German:, Parasynthetum
 * Greek:
 * Hungarian: paraszintézis
 * Italian: parasintesi
 * Portuguese:
 * Spanish:

title: parasynthesis


text:
кугла

Noun

 * 1) ball (metal)
 * 2) bowling ball

Verb

 * 1)  to bowl

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) ball
 * 2) bowl
 * 3) globe
 * 4) sphere
 * 5) bullet, shell
 * 6) shot

title: кугла


text:
Բուն Լեյ

Proper noun

 * 1) Boon Lay

title: Բուն Լեյ


text:
bacanje

Etymology
Verbal noun of.

Noun

 * 1) throwing, casting (act or process of)

title: bacanje


text:
бацање

Etymology
Verbal noun of.

Noun

 * 1) throwing, casting (act or process of)

title: бацање


text:
бацити

Etymology
From older, from.

Verb

 * 1)  to throw, cast (also figuratively)
 * 2)  to throw out, discard
 * 3)  to throw oneself
 * 4)  to put the shot, throw (spear, discus etc.)
 * 1)  to throw out, discard
 * 2)  to throw oneself
 * 3)  to put the shot, throw (spear, discus etc.)
 * 1)  to throw out, discard
 * 2)  to throw oneself
 * 3)  to put the shot, throw (spear, discus etc.)
 * 1)  to throw oneself
 * 2)  to put the shot, throw (spear, discus etc.)
 * 1)  to put the shot, throw (spear, discus etc.)
 * 1)  to put the shot, throw (spear, discus etc.)
 * 1)  to put the shot, throw (spear, discus etc.)
 * 1)  to put the shot, throw (spear, discus etc.)
 * 1)  to put the shot, throw (spear, discus etc.)
 * 1)  to put the shot, throw (spear, discus etc.)

title: бацити


text:
Citations:bacati

 * Đuro Sudeta, Mrtvo Sunce. lines 9-11
 * A ti se već gasiš, toneš, i crne koprene bacaš.
 * Kud ti se tako žuri,
 * Kud tako žurno koracaš?

title: Citations:bacati


text:
Անգմոկիո

Proper noun

 * 1) Ang Mo Kio

title: Անգմոկիո


text: бацати

title: бацати


text:
влат

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) blade, stalk

title: влат


text:
Ջուրոնգ Իսթ

Proper noun

 * 1) Jurong East

title: Ջուրոնգ Իսթ


text:
Պունգգոլ

Proper noun

 * 1) Punggol

title: Պունգգոլ


text:
Մարինա ծոց

Proper noun

 * 1) Marina Bay

title: Մարինա ծոց


text: zeale

title: zeale


text:
dobaciti

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to throw as far as, throw toward

title: dobaciti


text:
добацити

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to throw as far as, throw toward

title: добацити


text:
dobacivati

Verb

 * 1)  to throw as far as, throw toward

title: dobacivati


text:
добацивати

Verb

 * 1)  to throw as far as, throw toward

title: добацивати


text:
குமாரத்தி

Noun

 * 1) princess

title: குமாரத்தி


text:
இராசகுமாரி

Noun

 * 1) princess

title: இராசகுமாரி


text:
రాజకుమారి

Noun

 * 1) daughter of the king; a princess

title: రాజకుమారి


text:
రాకుమారి

Noun

 * 1) daughter of the king; princess

title: రాకుమారి


text:
സമ്രാട്ട്

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) emperor

title: സമ്രാട്ട്


text:
kekaisaran

Etymology
Affixed,. Compare.

Noun

 * 1) empire

title: kekaisaran


text:
സാമ്രാജ്യം

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) empire

title: സാമ്രാജ്യം


text:
రాజ్యం

Noun

 * 1) realm

title: రాజ్యం


text:
erresuma

Etymology
From, , from.

Noun

 * 1) kingdom
 * 2) realm, country, state

title: erresuma


text:
erreinu

Noun

 * 1) realm

title: erreinu


text:
diyogí

Noun

 * 1) Navajo rug, Navajo blanket

title: diyogí


text:
పంక్తి

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) A line, series, row.
 * 2) A range.
 * 1) A range.

title: పంక్తి


text: వరుస

title: వరుస


text:
శ్రేణి

Noun

 * 1) A line, row, range, rank.
 * 2) regular order
 * 3) A multitude, crowd, cluster.
 * 1) A multitude, crowd, cluster.

title: శ్రేణి


text:
ampumarata

Noun

 * 1) range, shooting range

title: ampumarata


text:
രാജകുമാരി

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) princess

title: രാജകുമാരി


text: Dáághahii Dineʼé Bikéyah

title: Dáághahii Dineʼé Bikéyah


text:
sǫʼ

Etymology
Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, and with 🇨🇬.

Related with the root.

Noun

 * 1) star

title: sǫʼ


text:
sulwe

Noun

 * 1) star

title: sulwe


text:
ҫӑлтӑр

Etymology
From. 'ҫтӑр' is the conglomerated form of 'ҫӑл' + 'тӑр'. See cognates at the Proto Turkic entry, compare also 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1)  star
 * 2) celebrity

title: ҫӑлтӑр


text: నక్షత్రం

title: నక్షత్రం


text:
తార

Etymology
From. Compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1)  star
 * 2)  eye pupil

Proper noun

 * 1) The wife of Brihaspati
 * 2) Vali's wife

title: తార


text:
చుక్క

Etymology
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1)  A star.
 * 2)  The planet Venus.
 * 3) The round mark worn on the forehead by Hindus; the tilak.
 * 4) Any small mark; a dot, spot or a drop, a small quantity of liquid.
 * 5)  A full stop.
 * 6) A pip on dice or cards.
 * 1) Any small mark; a dot, spot or a drop, a small quantity of liquid.
 * 2)  A full stop.
 * 3) A pip on dice or cards.
 * 1) A pip on dice or cards.

title: చుక్క


text:
непета

Noun

 * 1) catnip

title: непета


text:
పిల్లి

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) cat a domesticated subspecies of feline animal, commonly kept as a house pet
 * 2)  any animal species resembling a cat
 * 1)  any animal species resembling a cat

title: పిల్లి


text:
പൂച്ച

Etymology
Cognate with 🇨🇬,, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) cat

title: പൂച്ച


text:
гӕды

Etymology
Probably from.

Noun

 * 1) cat

title: гӕды


text:
suukapula

Noun

 * 1) gag device to restrain speech

title: suukapula


text:
eskinoso

Noun

 * 1) jay

title: eskinoso


text:
ჭორფლი

Noun

 * 1) freckle

title: ჭორფლი


text:
artseniko

Noun

 * 1) arsenic

title: artseniko


text:
కోడిపెట్ట

Noun

 * 1) hen

title: కోడిపెట్ట


text:
eyoyo

Noun

 * 1) duck

title: eyoyo


text:
sitanda

Noun

 * 1) bed

title: sitanda


text:
ఆత్మ

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) soul

title: ఆత్మ


text:
آمیخته

Adjective

 * 1) compound
 * 2) motley

Noun

 * 1) compound

title: آمیخته


text:
bhisieno

Noun

 * 1) ghost

title: bhisieno


text:
სული

Etymology
From, from. The similarity between Georgian and English  is coincidental.

Noun

 * 1) spirit, ghost
 * 2) soul
 * 3) man, person, member
 * 4) exhalation, expelled air
 * 1) exhalation, expelled air

 * 1)  life

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) man, person
 * 2) ghost, particularly an "evil" one
 * 3) corpse (?)
 * 4) head
 * 5) air
 * 6) wind
 * 7) the act of breathing
 * 8) steam
 * 9) odour, smell
 * 10) Holy Spirit

title: სული


text:
జ్యామితి

Noun

 * 1)  geometry

title: జ్యామితి


text:
ბრძოლა

Etymology
From, from. See the entry for more.

Noun

 * 1) battle

title: ბრძოლა


text:
కొట్లాట

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) fight, quarrel, brawl

title: కొట్లాట


text:
పోరాటం

Etymology

 * equivalent to 🇰🇲. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) fight, fighting

title: పోరాటం


text:
tarung

Verb

 * 1) to fight

Noun

 * 1) mosquito

title: tarung


text:
tengkar

Verb

 * 1) to fight

title: tengkar


text:
User talk:EvangelineOld

Request for usurpation
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title: User talk:EvangelineOld


text:
serang

Etymology
From 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1)  A native Indian boatswain; a lascar captain.

Etymology 1
From.

Verb

 * 1) to attack
 * 2)  to fight

Etymology 2
From.

Noun

 * 1) boatswain
 * 2) The officer (or warrant officer) in charge of sails, rigging, anchors, cables etc. and all work on deck of a sailing ship.
 * 3) The petty officer of a merchant ship who controls the work of other seamen.

Etymology 3
.

title: serang


text:
procellosamente

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) stormily

title: procellosamente


text:
దాడి

Noun

 * 1) attack

title: దాడి


text:
ಅಸಿಟೋನ್

Noun

 * 1) acetone

title: ಅಸಿಟೋನ್


text:
ಬಗೆ

Noun

 * 1) category

title: ಬಗೆ


text:
ಗುಂಪು

Noun

 * 1) category
 * 2) group, party, batch

title: ಗುಂಪು


text:
వర్గము

Noun

 * 1) category

title: వర్గము


text:
వెంటాడు

Verb

 * 1) to chase

title: వెంటాడు


text:
తరుము

Verb

 * 1) to chase

title: తరుము


text: გამოდევნება

title: გამოდევნება


text: გამოკიდება

title: გამოკიდება


text:
қуу

Etymology
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to chase
 * 2) to pursue

Etymology
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) swan

title: қуу


text:
ద్వీపము

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  island

title: ద్వీపము


text:
puthaw

Noun

 * 1) iron; steel; any hard metal

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) iron
 * 2) metal

Noun

 * 1) steel

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) hatchet; small axe

Noun

 * 1) iron; steel

title: puthaw


text:
పేలుడు మందు

Noun

 * 1) powder; gunpowder

title: పేలుడు మందు


text:
పొడి

Etymology
Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) powder; the fine particles to which any dry substance is reduced by pounding or grinding

Adjective

 * 1) free from moisture - dry
 * 2) powdered

title: పొడి


text:
చూర్ణము

Etymology
..

Noun

 * 1) powder

title: చూర్ణము


text:
పేలుడు

Noun

 * 1) explosion

title: పేలుడు


text:
facinorosamente

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) violently, turbulently, riotously

title: facinorosamente


text:
facinorosità

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) violence, turbulence, unruliness

title: facinorosità


text:
kuprum

Etymology
From, contraction of , from.

Noun

 * 1) copper chemical element

title: kuprum


text:
metelöinti

Noun

 * 1) The act of making noise.

title: metelöinti


text:
poaka

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1)  A pig.

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) pig
 * 2) pork

title: poaka


text:
oliosità

Etymology
From.

title: oliosità


text:
valukouru

Noun

 * 1) sow channel that conducts molten metal to molds

title: valukouru


text:
درمانگاه

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) clinic

title: درمانگاه


text:
клиника

Noun

 * 1) clinic

Noun

 * 1) clinic

Noun

 * 1) clinic

title: клиника


text:
ఆసుపత్రి

Etymology
From or, compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) hospital

title: ఆసుపత్రి


text:
vittoriosamente

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) victoriously

title: vittoriosamente


text:
omunasi

Noun

 * 1) nurse

title: omunasi


text:
rawat

Etymology
..

Verb

 * 1)  to nurse
 * 2)  to take care

Verb

 * 1) to nurse, take care of

title: rawat


text:
fiduciosamente

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) trustfully, trustingly

title: fiduciosamente


text:
litoka

Noun

 * 1) car

title: litoka


text:
seriosamente

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) staidly, sedately

title: seriosamente


text:
seriosità

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) staidness, sedateness

title: seriosità


text:
ngari

Proper noun

 * 1) A Meitei traditional food item made of ingredients such as fermented fish

Adverb

 * 1) near here; hereabouts
 * 2) to this place, to here; hither; over here

Noun

 * 1) car

Noun

 * 1) car

title: ngari


text:
ngale

Noun

 * 1) car
 * 2) cars

title: ngale


text:
dispendiosamente

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) expensively

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) expensively, costfully
 * 2) wastefully
 * 1) wastefully

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) expensively, costfully
 * 2) wastefully
 * 1) wastefully

title: dispendiosamente


text:
പശു

Etymology
. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) cow; An adult female of the species.

title: പശു


text:
గోవు

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) cow, the female bovine animal revered by the Hindus.

Noun

 * 1) ox

title: గోవు


text:
behi

Etymology
, from. Potentially related to.

Noun

 * 1) cow

Noun

 * 1) quince

title: behi


text:
luwino

Noun

 * 1) ink

title: luwino


text:
halilintar

Noun

 * 1) lightning

Noun

 * 1) Lightning.

title: halilintar


text:
geledek

Noun

 * 1) blizzard

title: geledek


text:
strösseli

Etymology
From, likely via 🇨🇬

Noun

 * 1) hundreds and thousands, sprinkles  tiny bits of colored sugar, chocolate and/or other candy used as decoration on baked goods, desserts and candy.

Declension
Normally used in singular as mass noun.

title: strösseli


text:
bisuts

Noun

 * 1) blizzard

title: bisuts


text:
фъртуна

Noun

 * 1) blizzard

title: фъртуна


text:
виелица

Noun

 * 1) blizzard

title: виелица


text:
ಹಿಮಪಾತ

Noun

 * 1) blizzard

title: ಹಿಮಪಾತ


text:
ಮಂಜುಸುರಿತ

Noun

 * 1)  snowfall

title: ಮಂಜುಸುರಿತ


text:
ಹಿಮವರ್ಷ

Noun

 * 1)  snowfall

title: ಹಿಮವರ್ಷ


text:
రాగి

Noun

 * 1) copper: a reddish-brown metallic element with high electrical and thermal conductivity, symbol Cu, and atomic number 29.

title: రాగి


text:
రోగి

Noun

 * 1) A patient, a sick person, a sufferer.

title: రోగి


text:
mokudi

Noun

 * 1) patient

title: mokudi


text:
reseptilääke

Noun

 * 1) prescription drug

title: reseptilääke


text:
semidefinite

Adjective

 * 1) Not entirely definite; somewhat vague or undefined.
 * 2)  Describing a bilinear form, over a vector space, that is either always positive or always negative.
 * 1)  Describing a bilinear form, over a vector space, that is either always positive or always negative.

title: semidefinite


text:
semidirect

Adjective

 * 1) Neither unqualifiedly direct nor unqualifiedly indirect.
 * 2) * 1984, I. Berqvist, Chapter II: Fast Neutron Radiative Capture, B. J. Allen, I. Bergqvist, R. E. Chrien, D. Gardner, W. P. Poenitz (contributing authors), Neutron Radiative Capture: Neutron Physics and Nuclear Data in Science and Technology, page 33,
 * In the next step, the giant dipole state may deexcite by the emission of γ-rays. This reaction is called "semidirect". It turns out that direct and semidirect reactions play a dominating role at neutron energies higher than about 5 MeV.
 * 1) * 2011, Multiple authors, Chapter 12: Atmospheric Composition Change: Climate-Chemistry Interactions, Ann Henderson-Sellers, Kendal McGuffie (editors), The Future of the World's Climate, page 341,
 * The term semidirect aerosol effect was first introduced by Hansen, et al. (1997).This triggered a number of model studies investigating the semidirect aerosol effect on a global-scale. [sic]
 * 1)  That has the nature of, or has a nature that derives from or is analogous to, a semidirect product.
 * 2) * 2002, Joseph J. Rotman, Advanced Modern Algebra,, Graduate Studies in Mathematics, Volume 114, 2nd Edition, page 761,
 * A semidirect product is so called because a direct product G of K and Q requires, in addition to K + Q = G and K ∩ Q = {1}, that both subgroups K and Q be normal (Proposition 1.86); here, only one subgroup must be normal.
 * 1) * 2002, Joseph J. Rotman, Advanced Modern Algebra,, Graduate Studies in Mathematics, Volume 114, 2nd Edition, page 761,
 * A semidirect product is so called because a direct product G of K and Q requires, in addition to K + Q = G and K ∩ Q = {1}, that both subgroups K and Q be normal (Proposition 1.86); here, only one subgroup must be normal.

Derived terms

 * hemisemidirect

Etymology
.

title: semidirect


text:
semilinear

Adjective

 * 1)  Describing equations involving both linear and nonlinear objects
 * 2)  Having characteristics intermediate between linear and nonlinear

title: semilinear


text:
nonparelli

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) A nonpareil small pellet of colored sugar used as decoration on baked goods and candy.

title: nonparelli


text:
надпис

Noun

 * 1) caption
 * 2) inscription
 * 3) sign, notice

title: надпис


text:
рубрика

Etymology
Ultimately from.

Noun

 * 1) caption, heading
 * 2)  program, broadcast

Noun

 * 1) heading, column

Etymology
, from.

Noun

 * 1) heading, caption
 * 2) column

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) newspaper column or section
 * 2) heading or section in a form
 * 3) rubric

title: рубрика


text:
пленник

Noun

 * 1) captive

Noun

 * 1) captive, prisoner

title: пленник


text:
затворник

Noun

 * 1) prisoner, convict

Noun

 * 1) hermit, recluse, anchorite

title: затворник


text:
vangittu

Adjective

 * 1) captive

title: vangittu


text:
జాడ

Noun

 * 1) mark, sign
 * 2) trace
 * 3) track
 * 4) manner
 * 1) track
 * 2) manner
 * 1) manner

title: జాడ


text:
eräreitti

Noun

 * 1) trail

title: eräreitti


text:
Talk:incorporation

Incorporation of one publication by another
My encounters with this usage encourage me to believe that it means no more or less than taking over the functions of the first: presumably
 * fulfilling subscriptions to the first
 * fulfilling and enforcing contracts the first had with advertisers or dealers
 * inheriting the legal status as "periodical of record" for government or other entities with legal obligations to publish notice of certain actions or deadlines in a specific publication

This is presumably also the source of newspaper names like New York Herald Tribune and New Orleans Times Picayune. The process might also be worthy of a WP article. --Jerzy•t 08:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

title: Talk:incorporation


text: dinner-time

title: dinner-time


text: supper time

title: supper time


text: supper-time

title: supper-time


text: supper-times

title: supper-times


text: dinner-times

title: dinner-times


text:
supper hour

Noun

 * 1) suppertime, the hour in which the supper meal takes place.

title: supper hour


text:
dinner hour

Noun

 * 1) Dinnertime, the hour in which the dinner meal takes place.
 * 2)  The midday break in British schools (some areas), lunchtime.

title: dinner hour


text: dinner-hour

title: dinner-hour


text: supper-hour

title: supper-hour


text:
aviditer

Etymology
From, from.

Adverb

 * 1) desirously, eagerly, avidly
 * 2) greedily

title: aviditer


text:
User:Cody574

Because of some interlinking business that Wikimedia has done, I was automatically registered this account at Wiktionary and I have no use for it.

Please see my user page at the English Wikipedia, my home base.

title: User:Cody574


text: Category:Afrikaans palindromes

title: Category:Afrikaans palindromes


text:
akkumulator

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) accumulator wet-cell storage battery; container which stores hydraulic power for release

title: akkumulator


text: akkumulatoren

title: akkumulatoren


text: akkumulatorer

title: akkumulatorer


text: akkumulatorerne

title: akkumulatorerne


text: akkumulators

title: akkumulators


text: akkumulatorens

title: akkumulatorens


text: akkumulatorers

title: akkumulatorers


text: akkumulatorernes

title: akkumulatorernes


text: barriques

title: barriques


text:
oistre

Etymology
, borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) oyster mollusk

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) oyster mollusk

title: oistre


text: omicrons

title: omicrons


text: Category:de:Greek letter names

title: Category:de:Greek letter names


text: Category:el:Greek letter names

title: Category:el:Greek letter names


text:
viismauste

Noun

 * 1) five-spice powder Asian spice mix

title: viismauste