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Wiktionary:Grease pit/2009/January

=January 2009=

McBot and XML dumps
McBot is busy removing a useless template and doing a couple of other things, editing at a very high rate (at one point I noted nearly 100/minute ;-). There are a lot of them; at one time yesterday there were 94000+ remaining, after it had already done at least 20K. All good, but it floods the daily dump update; I had to fix it after Conrad.Bot clobbered it on a previous occasion.

The simple version is: the dump for today is posted, but does not reflect most of the McBot edits. They (and other 'bot) edits will be integrated into the dump over the next several days.

The gory details (if you care ;-): the process effectively prioritizes the updates it is doing, and limits the total number of updates in each run. That way it doesn't try to load 100K pages from the servers in one pass. It runs 3 times a day, and the run at ~09:00 UTC is posted. The priorities are: The priorities are not a strict sequence, it always does all templates, and then some from each step. Under normal conditions, it completes all of the updates in each step anyway. At the moment, the fourth group is not being completed. The cache of revision id for each page id is refreshed from the servers at least once in every 7 days (21 runs). Robert Ullmann 11:07, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) templates (all)
 * 2) new pages (max 17000, an arbitrary non-infinite number ;-)
 * 3) edits by non-bots from RC (max 5000)
 * 4) edits by 'bots from RC (max 5000)
 * 5) others found on revision cache refresh (max 3000)

Ah, should also note that all deletions needed are done on each run; however it won't do more than 5000 because it just reads the last 5K from the deletion log. This would only be a problem if more than 5000 entries were deleted in 8 hours. (Not very likely.) Robert Ullmann 19:24, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Thanks for keeping us posted! Although it's tempting (for me at least ;) to whinge a little about delays of a few days, it's nothing compared to waiting for a few months as was the previous situation. Thank you again. Conrad.Irwin 02:01, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Karibu. Note that the delay only matters if your use for the dump is affected by the un-updated entries; in this case edits to Spanish verb forms and a a few AF and VolkovBot edits. There is still a new dump posted every day. Today's has 36,203 updates not done. Robert Ullmann 11:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

New script templates
These have been added recently, and I'd like to migrate the font specifications to the style sheet MediaWiki:Common.css, standardize the class names, etc:

 * – add fallback font-family: sans-serif
 * – add fallback font-family: sans-serif
 * – change class name from script-Geor to Geor
 * – change class name from LA to Latf; add fallback font-family: sans-serif
 * – change class name from Mahal DV to Thaa
 * – add fallback font-family: sans-serif

Any comments or objections? —Michael Z. 2009-01-02 22:14 z

 * Do we have a guide somewhere for our users that (1) lists the various scripts and fonts, (2) offers help for users who have trouble displaying certain scripts, (3) points to templates and other tools for editors who want to work in these scripts? --EncycloPetey 05:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

 * 1 no, except for category:Script templates, and the style sheet MediaWiki:Common.css documents itself. 2 no. 3 just the templates' own documentation:, , , , etc. I have started WT:SCRIPTS to document these templates, but it is not a help page for general readers of the dictionary. —Michael Z. 2009-01-12 06:19 z

Tibetan font declaration
Currently, the Tibetan font declaration is identical to the generic Unicode one, which is problematic since none of the Unicode fonts support Tibetan. IE (and most other browsers) ignores these fonts (so there's no problem with Tibetan failing to show up even if the fonts are installed), but the declaration in the Common.css should still be changed to something that makes more sense, like

.Tibt { font-family:Jomolhari,'Tibetan Machine Uni','Microsoft Himalaya',sans-serif; }

-- Prince Kassad 14:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Should this be made an MSIE-only declaration by using the comment trick? Safari on my Mac seems to display Tibetan. —Michael Z. 2009-01-03 15:15 z
 * I think it should be made global. Firefox would greatly benefit from it, since it uses Arial Unicode MS as the default font for Tibetan, even though Arial Unicode doesn't support Tibetan. IE supports Tibetan on its own anyway. -- Prince Kassad 15:18, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Okay, I'll make the change to the style sheet. I notice that Tibetan doesn't seem to display in either MSIE or Firefox in my vanilla Win XP system, with or without this font spec, so I assume that a font download is required.  Is it the same on Vista?

 * FYI: both Safari 3.2.1 and Firefox 3.0.4 seem to display Tibetan without any help on a default install of Mac OS X 10.5.6. Adding the above CSS doesn't seem to affect the display in these browsers. —Michael Z. 2009-01-03 21:44 z

 * Done. —Michael Z. 2009-01-03 21:46 z

 * To answer your question, Vista ships with the Microsoft Himalaya font which supports Tibetan. It's at the end of the font list because it's awfully small. -- Prince Kassad 22:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Oops, I have also updated the template now, which was overriding the style sheet. Look better? —Michael Z. 2009-01-04 00:26 z
 * Yes, it works now. -- Prince Kassad 17:27, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Adding "no plural" and "no singular" parameters to {hu-decl}
I am trying to add two new named parameters (ns - no singular, np - no plural) to hu-decl which is the main layout declension template for Hungarian nouns. Sometimes nouns do not have plurals, occasionally singulars. The current template generates both. I tried the following in (my test template) but did not work:

The other test template that goes with this is. The hu-decl template is the layout template for several other templates. It seems a better idea to put the ns and np parameters here rather than in the subtemplates. They are already complex and I would have to modify several templates instead of one. Could someone please help? Thanks. --Panda10 21:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

 * In my opinion, the best solution for this is to use multi-layer templating, as is done on Ancient Greek inflection templates and others (I believe the original credit for this goes to Robert Ullmann, but am not sure). I will set up an example.  Give me perhaps a half hour.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 00:06, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Ok, take a look at User:Atelaes/Sandbox, where is a modified version of, and shows a singular only version of the inflection of kutya.  It doesn't work perfectly for the nominative and essive-formal, because of the PAGENAME calls, but I imagine you'll get the idea nonetheless.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 00:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I'd like to keep the two-column format. If there is no plural, each cell would contain a dash. Is that possible with your solution? --Panda10 01:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Take another look now. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 01:09, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I don't see any change. It looks the same to me. The code, too. --Panda10 02:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Press edit, and then show preview. The changes are apparently lost in the job queue for now.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 02:36, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Thanks! --Panda10 15:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Ampersands in messages
It looks like MediaWiki now escapes ampersands in certain messages, which breaks the display of those messages if they use HTML entity references or numeric character references; I just fixed MediaWiki:Previousrevision and MediaWiki:Nextrevision, but I don't know if any other messages are affected. Does anyone know more about this? —Ruakh TALK 23:55, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

template:rfc-archive
Can someone please tell me what's wrong with this template that causes the following errors to occur? 1, [ 2], [ 3]. Thanks.—msh210 ℠  22:24, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

 * @ was an unbalanced attempt at a link and has been fixed. I suspect others will be similar.  I'll work on them.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 22:27, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure about this, but I suspect that the other two require the 1= bit because there are equal signs in the running text (for 2 it's your name, for 3 its in the link that Robert gave). My guess is that the template is taking everything before the = to be a parameter name, and everything after to be the content of that parameter (a parameter which isn't used, and so isn't displayed).  So, I suspect that, for every rfc discussion containing an =, you'll have to do the 1= trick.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 22:34, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Hm, thanks. is there a way to allow a template to accept a parameter value that includes msh210 ℠  22:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Not that I'm aware of (though I'm certainly not the most technically proficient person on this project). My experience is that anytime you have misbalanced brackets of any sort nested inside other brackets (a necessary condition for inclusion in a template), things just go all screwy.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 22:46, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

 * If you wrap it in <nowiki> tags (as you did just now), or otherwise modify it so that the software doesn't get confused by mismatched brackets — [&#x5B;foo] and [<nowiki/>[foo] both work — it should be fine, but AFAIK there's no way to do it without modifying the comment. If we want to be really precise about such things, we can create and, turn  into basically just   , and use  and  directly in situations where  would be a pain … personally I wouldn't worry about it if I were the one doing the archive, but since I'm not, you can totally be my guest to be as precise as you like. :-)   —Ruakh TALK 05:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Template:ca-noun-form
This is a very simple template, but it does need to do one thing that I don't know how to set up. It needs to check the values of (or ) and  (or ) to see whether they are valid for gender / number. Can someone help? I could certainly set up something using #switch, but I seem to recall there's a bit of code out there that I could simply call from this template, and have that pre-written code do the work. The problem is that I don't know where the code is or how to call it. --EncycloPetey 04:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

 * To begin with, I strongly suggest that the dual input be dropped. Have gender be a named or a numbered input, but not both!  I'm not aware of any sort of pre-written code which could be utilized for this, but it is a fairly simple switch.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 06:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm standardizing now, and have only used unnamed. However, the template is set to prefer, and when this is lacking it uses .  The dual input options shouldn't hurt anything, and allows for users who forget whether this particular template uses one coding method or the other.  I often get confused myself between all the various templates I use, some of which take the gender as an unnamed parameter, and some of which require . --EncycloPetey 06:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Ok. Well, what are the accepted genders?  Also, what should it do if the gender isn't valid?  I guess my first assumption would be to not display any gender, and simply tag the entry with .  Also, you mentioned something about number, but I'm not seeing any number stuff in the template.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 07:04, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

 * The is intended to be an optional sg or pl from values of "s" or "p" (or "sg" or "pl").  The value of  should be "m", "f", or "mf" (with "c" as equivalent to "mf").  If the gender isn't valid, it shouldn't display and should request attention, as you guessed.  I'm undecided about whether  should be required; it would certain simplify coding if it were mandatory. --EncycloPetey 07:14, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Ok, give it a shot and let me know if it works. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 07:20, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

"Other pages to be deleted"
When a page is deleted, we now get some text telling us that the template may be deleted. I don't believe this to be true. SemperBlotto 15:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

 * It would seem more helpful to leave the tag in the deleted page, if that's what you are suggesting. DCDuring TALK 15:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry - didn't understand that - I was asking a question, not making a suggestion. SemperBlotto 15:38, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I've taken the liberty of 'ing the category tag in the template. This had been proposed before, to general indifference, but this change to the software made it a bit more important IMO. -- Visviva 16:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I have to admit this is my fault. See my changes to the text that is displayed. (I figured we may as well list them there as there are never very many and it makes them easier to find. I also transcluded the top of recent changes so that there is often a link to the talk page of the contributor which greatly facilitates leaving them a note. (Saves me having to look at Deleted revisions to find it). As with anything wiki this can of course be reverted if it is causing issues for people. (I intended to add recent changes to the post-"patrol" and "rollback" pages as well, if this is wanted). Conrad.Irwin 01:44, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Images in translations
There are certain situations where one might want to use an image in a translation, mainly when the language is written in a script which is completely unsupported by Unicode. Currently, though, Template:t does not allow images to be used and breaks, even when I use an imagemap as a workaround (see water). Would it be possible to add some kind of parameter to Template:t to allow for images? -- Prince Kassad 21:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Don't try to force it into . The template is only useful for languages with FL wikts (presently 167), and mostly pointless for the other 7000+ languages. ( was only created to give Tbot something to do with {t} templates added for non-existant FL wikts, as a slight improvement over just converting them to ordinary links.) Robert Ullmann 13:57, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Using Template:t is useful even for the other languages, since it automatically links to the correct section and allows you to use script templates, transliteration and gender. Also even without Template:t, using images does not work (again, see water) -- Prince Kassad 19:10, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You might ask RodASmith about this. He has been using ASL images in Tranlsations tables with some success. --EncycloPetey 19:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

lang tags

 * See: User_talk:Robert_Ullmann

 * See: Requests_for_deletion/Others

We should be generating HTML/XHTML lang tags for a number of bits where we have the information, to allow the browser font selection and CSS styling to work as designed. Please read the two sections above. Nbarth makes a good point, in that trying to convert languages to script (ala ) is mostly pointless, as it is the language that is wanted. We only want the script in a limited number of cases (e.g. Hant v Hans), and to add classes (for IE; without the customary IE brokenness there would not be much point ...)

Just to explain what this looks like; we want a bit of text in Japanese to look like:

言葉

The class being only for our CSS and for IE<8, other browsers can style on the lang "psuedo-class".

Nbarth also points out that writing  is annoying. Especially when the "Jpan" script selection isn't really the point: the browser setup works on the lang attribute.

Somewhere above, we proposed passing  and   to the various script templates. The templates can then do the right thing. The language is the code, the face is one of  so the template can apply the desired HTML tag for the script (some scripts we want bold, some not; likewise for italic). tells the template this is a headword (from {infl} or whatever) possibly made larger (Han, Arabic). says this use is by {term}, to be italic in some cases.

(The script templates should use b for bold, and i for italic, not "em" and "strong", to be consistent with the WM s/w generated code for double and triple apostrophes.)

In standard use, the script codes are not used in most language tags, for example "zh-Hant" is used, but "fr-Latn" is not, "Latn" is the (supressed) default for "fr". Script codes by themselves are meaningless:  is not allowed (ignored), as it isn't a language tag. This is why the script templates need the lang= from caller, although they can sometimes default reasonably ( defaults to language "ko"). So the templates will suppress the script for a set of languages, default the language when reasonable, and in the case of Latn, suppress the script in all languages except a specific list:  makes sense and is used.

What is then needed is a bit of magic, a script template that can be used by default. Other templates that take lang= and sc= can then do something like:

Nbarth suggested ; I had been thinking (-) we can name it whatever. This bit of magic must be very concise, it will get used a lot; hundreds of thousand of times. It provides a small set of script templates for common languages, and otherwise Does the Right Thing.

The set of languages with scripts supplied by the magic is:

(Yes right now you are thinking, but what about ? This list must be very short to work; other languages will simply have to specify the script. Of course we can revise this list, but making it more than a small bit longer is unworkable.) Are we still using for Ancient Greek, or it is now the same template/class?

Time for Man U/Bolton, must go now ... Robert Ullmann 14:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

RSS Feed
OTRS has gotten a couple of reports that "The Word of the Day RSS feed hasn't been updated since December 23, 2008.", Not sure how to fix this... -- Versa geek  01:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * AFAIK, Connel is the only one who knows how to work that magic. --EncycloPetey 01:44, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * User talk:Connel MacKenzie. Conrad.Irwin 01:52, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

page load error trying to open ventana
When I try to open the page ventana I get a page load error. This problem exists a least since one weak. Has someone an idea what happens? Matthias Buchmeier 14:28, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * No problems here [Tried with latest Firefox, Chrome, and IE7 all on MS Vista]. --Bequw → ¢ • τ 06:38, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

American Sign Language language
The categories ase:Etymology and ase:English derivations use, which causes them to be included in Category:American Sign Language language, which is properly redlinked, as it exists at Category:American Sign Language. Would it be possible to fiddle with that template (or the responsible subtemplate) so that it treats ase as an exception and categorizes properly?—msh210 ℠  20:43, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * That's not so hard — just a one-line fix to if I'm following the code right — but is this something we might want to do for other languages as well? For example, do we want "____ Creole language", or just "____ Creole"? Maybe we should add support for a langdesc= parameter that defaults to language name language? —Ruakh TALK 22:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Not too active around here any more, but I saw a note about this from msh210. I haven't looked at this code in a while, but I'd probably lean toward doing this in some variation of Template:langname. Currently, I basically call langname and append "language" unconditionally. If there were a template like langname that knew whether or not to include the word "language", that would help here.

That being said, I was never really sold on the idea of using the topic category templates for the etymology and derivation categories. It always seemed to me that there should be something more sophisticated for these cases, but I don't recall whether I had any better ideas on how to approach it. I don't actually recall the details of how langname itself works right now, so that probably doesn't help :) Mike Dillon 23:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * P.S. I think you'd probably be dealing with Template:topic cat parents/Etymology, not Template:topic cat parents/default. Mike Dillon 23:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I believe I've fixed this. I had to touch both and. I only did it for "ase". Mike Dillon 05:34, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Looking at the diffs for my changes, it's pretty obvious to me in retrospect that a better way to do this would be to make the template respond to a parameter that tells it to append the word "language", omitting it for the language codes that already have "Language" in them.

 * This change should not affect everywhere that is currently used since they wouldn't be passing this new parameter, but I'm still not willing to make that change given my recently low level of activity. Seems like something up Robert's alley, but the changes I made should work for this one case. It just sucks to have to change three pieces of markup if anyone wants to add a language to this exclusion list. Nevermind extending it to other cases besides Etymology if they arise. Mike Dillon 05:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Interwicket update
I've taken some of the code from the iwiki bot that updates the entire wikt in one pass, with a global index, and written something that looks at RC on the various wikts and finds things to add here.

I did this more because I wanted to gather more information about the activity on other wikts, not because I wanted to speed up additions of iwiki links; but it is useful. I've noted over time that when I have reason to go look at FL wikts, often there is very little activity (RC last 100 shows several days' worth); but sometimes quite a bit. This way I get to "see" a lot of it. I've noted that the total NS:0 creation rate (not including bots) for all of the FL wikts put together is about the same as the en.wikt rate. For bots, I don't know yet, but looking at the statistics timelines for number of entries one can draw some conclusions.

The practical effect (assuming I or someone keeps running it ;-) is that when entries are added to other wikts that have an en.wikt entry, the iwiki will be added here in some smallish number of minutes (up to 6 hours if the FL wikt is usually very quiet, thus not looked at frequently). When a new entry is added here, it will add any iwikis it finds, like this. It doesn't do an exhaustive search in this case, so some may be left to be found later in a complete pass. It looks at a few large wikts, plus the wikts for the language(s) in the entry, plus any that have iwikis added by the creator.

It also checks sort order whenever looking at entries; if someone adds an entry to an FL wikt, and then adds the iwiki here, the bot will re-check it and sort it in correctly if needed. So it isn't necessary in almost any case to tell well-meaning editors not to add iwikis. They very often want to add an iwiki to the en.wikt, because the "standard" bot relies on hints like that to get started.

So you'll see more edits by Interwicket, comments welcome of course. Robert Ullmann 12:06, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I've added code to add the reciprocal iwiki link to the FL entry, pointing back to the English. This is desirable for iwiki bot-like things, but runs into the rather large problem of getting bot flags/permissions/(non-denials :-) from 170 wikts... it operates in a test mode, doing a very limited number, unless bot-flagged (or blocked ...). I would like feedback from wherever. Robert Ullmann 14:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

StringFunctions
moved from BP

I think it is more logical to 'exploit' the consistencies between language conjugations than rely on users learning to use hard-to-understand templates, for example the Dutch verbs are more or less consistent when split in groups: regular/irregular (some exceptions) with the help of the StringFunction extension we could literally have verb conjugations done within the template instead of using e.g etc. here's a rough sample:

en

there are some errors in this, but with a few tweaks it could be used to get the infinitive from a stem of a regular Dutch verb, it is by no means limited to the infinitive of a verbs stem/infinitive, or even verbs. Plural noun forms are pretty consistent, and it would be a ton more user friendly. There is of course the odd exception where this would not work, of which the errors can easily be negated by adding a param.. (note: since the wiki does not currently have the extension installed it would not work right now) 120.16.131.29 12:39, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * on second thought maybe this belongs @ Grease pit?

 * The extension will not be installed on any WM project; Tim and Brion think (and I concur), that it is poorly designed and written, and leads to people trying to "program" the template language far beyond what should be done. Combinations of string function and #if and #switch lead to painful performance levels. In our case, the templates can extend easily when provided with the stem (common letter-string, sometimes in a couple of forms), although some do this better than others, some not at all. (did you just drop in to ask this, or are you doing something here?) Robert Ullmann 12:48, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Kinda, yeah. I saw all this was done manually and thought this was a better alternative and thought I'd suggest it while here, I did not think it was bad performance-wise. As for the templates without the string function, it does work efficiently for some, but unfortunately a lot of the dutch words (for example) with long/short vowel sounds breaking when conjugating them would make the spelling inaccurate. (well, this at least explains the sudden performance drop of an off-site wiki, I guess..) 120.16.131.29 13:06, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Wouldn't substituting remove the 'performance issue' then? 120.16.131.29 13:20, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Perhaps, but it would then cause an editing issue. Most users wouldn't know how to read all that code and change the right bit if they found an error.  It would also mean that if we decided to change the template format, we couldn't do so without changing every page that had its code substituted.  The purpose of a template is to allow control of format from a single location, and substituting eliminates that utility. --EncycloPetey 16:29, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

template:diff
I've created for the display of diff URLs (on discussion pages, naturally). If I missed something, please tweak.—msh210 ℠  23:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

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Wiktionary talk:Grease pit/timeline

Sorry, can somebody fix this formatting, it is very wrong, and I have to go now --Volants 13:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Is this a case for ? --Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 07:37, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Needs 2023
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酒行

Noun

 * 1) liquor store; bottle shop

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アイオーン

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  aeon

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periodic structure

Noun

 * 1)  A sentence whose main clause appears at the end, after other, especially dependent, clauses.
 * 2)  A structure made of bays coupled through one or more coordinates.

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Category talk:Buyeo Old Korean

See Buyeo languages. This language is hypothetical and completely unknown from any records. As such, it does not belong in the main namespace, and should be treated the same as PIE. --EncycloPetey 05:46, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Not quite the same as PIE; it's more like Hunnic or some other such language, known only through names or the occasional offhand gloss. That said I would be happy to delete/appendicize this and its dubious Old Korean brethren, provided that we apply the same standard across the board.  Basically, among the putative OKO "dialects," Baekje, Goguryeo, and Malgal are in the same boat as Buyeo; on the other hand Sillan does have a handful of extant texts (and there are also some Goryeo-period texts that are usually classified as Old Korean).  I'm not aware of any other languages of this type currently in mainspace, and I don't think it's something we would want to encourage.  -- Visviva 17:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

So where are we at on this kind of language? Are attested forms (i.e. forms found in recorded Buyeo personal and place names) with scholarly glosses OK? Or does an includable language actually need to have extant texts? -- Visviva 08:34, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

 * If it's a real language, that was actually spoken, and these words are actually attested (even if indirectly/mentionishly), then I think we should include them. 16:49, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

 * There was a Buyeo language, which was spoken in the Buyeo kingdom (Korean and Manchuria). A small number of words are known today. —Stephen 21:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Knowing nothing specifically about the language, please excuse any errors I may make here. Perhaps the best route is using categories, and possibly also appendices, but not mainspace entries.  For example, if a Buyeo word is only known through, say, a Korean place-name, then we could note that in the etymology section.  "From Buyeo *xxxx,  ."  We might even want to set up an etyl template for the job.  This would allow someone interested in Buyeo to see what we have on it at a glance, without putting too much hypothetical stuff in the main namespace.  I intend to do something similar with Pre-Greek.  Of course, if something is directly attested in writing, then it certainly merits a mainspace entry.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 08:59, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * My solution, more than a year later is to keep this and if the two remaining terms in the category do not pass RFV, speedy delete this as an unused category. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:36, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

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suufilaisuus

Noun

 * 1) Sufism Islamic mysticism

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Category talk:ja:Sign languages

Not a valid topic, Category:Sign languages is a language family category -- Prince Kassad 17:49, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks valid to me. Compare Category:fr:Languages (or any other xx:Languages cat listed atop the page [[:Category:Languages]]). I'll say keep (unless someone can explain why not).—msh210 ℠  20:24, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The difference is that Category:Languages is a topical category, whereas Category:Sign languages is not. Compare it to Category:Turkic languages, where we don't have Category:fr:Turkic languages etc. either. -- Prince Kassad 19:58, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If Category:Turkic languages is not topical then why is there an entry in it? These all seem topical to me. Why do you think that Languages is and the others are not?—msh210 ℠  20:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This is an erroneous categorization and should be removed. The Category:All languages with all its subcategories is reserved for language categories only, so we can categorize the languages on Wiktionary by language family, country, etc. Actual entries on languages are only supposed to go to Category:Languages. -- Prince Kassad 20:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Kept, and separating the two categories into Category:Sign languages and Category:All sign languages per precedent. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

title: Category talk:ja:Sign languages


text:
Template talk:he-root

Prevents transliteration, supports limited range of possibilities, complicates entry code, no apparent benefit. —Ruakh TALK 16:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

 * You know damn well how easy it is to add transliteration support, and roots aren't vocalized to begin with, so transliteration isn't even particularly necessary. If you think there's no benefit, then maybe you would've liked to have moved all the root entries with - to ones with ־. You just don't want to see the things it could be used for because it wasn't your idea. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 20:36, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Come, now.—msh210 ℠  03:53, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It can use some bettering per nom, and some the nominator didn't mention, too. If we ever decide to categorize by root (as he.wikt does), this template will help a lot. Even otherwise, I see no particular reason to get rid of it.—msh210 ℠  03:53, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Indeed, it could potentially do a lot. If you can think of anything that could be added to it, I'd be happy to add more to the template, but I made it for a simple purpose, so it started off simple. (We don't usually delete "stub" entries, do we?) — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 12:38, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, not easy to do the same thing by hand, if anything some cleanup might be in order, ergo keep and improve. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:40, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Kept, I'll send Opiaterein a message about this. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:35, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

title: Template talk:he-root


text:
Category talk:Arabic numerals

Tagged by someone else, not me. I actually think keep. While some of the pages *might* be suitable for deletion, not all of them! Although Arabic numerals are translingual, aren't they? In the same way languages other than Latin use the Latin alphabet. So maybe clean up a little. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:53, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the category template is wrong: it treats Arabic numerals as an Arabic-language category for numerals. Or maybe that's what the cat should be for in fact, and things like 9 should be in a differently named category. —  msh210  ℠  20:07, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I tend to think that would be Category:ar:Numerals as I don't think a numeral is a part of speech. Better to keep and improve than just delete it. Even the person that added is saying most of the entries should be deleted, ergo not referring to the category directly. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:18, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Kept, the person nominating it had no reason to delete it, and neither do I. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:08, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

RFM discussion: July–August 2012
This name is misleading. Based on how our categories are named, you would expect this to contain terms in the Arabic language, but it doesn't. It should probably be named something like Category:Hindu-Arabic numerals, or something else than 'numerals'. 11:19, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Absolutely agree. Mglovesfun (talk) 08:43, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Hindu-Arabic isn't ideal, but it's a whole lot better. --Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 15:37, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I noticed we also have Category:Roman numerals. These categories have no indication of language, presumably because they are translingual. But I'm not sure if Category:Translingual Hindi-Arabic numerals sounds any better. 15:49, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

If it's translingual, would it include १,२,३,४,५,६,७,८,९,० or ١,٢,٣,٤,٥,٦,٧,٨,٩,٠? Chuck Entz (talk) 13:21, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I support, it’s a more correct name. — Ungoliant (Falai) 16:23, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Why did you archive this and not rename, for which there is consensus? J3133 (talk) 18:47, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Please actually read the discussion. This category now contains Arabic terms, so it follows exactly what the consensus was for. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 22:31, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * There is still no category for Hindu-Arabic numerals. J3133 (talk) 08:18, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * There is one: Category:Hindu-Arabic script characters. Granted, its name isn't great, but that's a matter for a new RFM. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 09:21, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * This category is only for the 10 characters used to write the numerals. J3133 (talk) 09:31, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Right, there's also Category:Hindu-Arabic script. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 09:53, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

title: Category talk:Arabic numerals


text:
Category talk:Hungarian three-letter words

Some two-letter combinations are counted as one letter in Hungarian. Fine. But that doesn’t license a category of its own. H. (talk) 09:49, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as pointless, not dictionary material. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. We have Category:English two-letter words and Category:English three-letter words. Why does it bother you to have the same in Hungarian? It's an interesting list that would take a lot of time to collect. --Panda10 21:34, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd have actually voted delete for both of those, but since they seem to have already been voted on and kept, I'll vote keep for this based on the precedent, not my own opinion. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:30, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. —  msh210  ℠  19:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Kept. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


text:
erottelukyky

Noun

 * 1)  discriminating power measure of the ability of a test to distinguish between two or more groups being assessed
 * 1)  discriminating power measure of the ability of a test to distinguish between two or more groups being assessed

title: erottelukyky


text:
Talk:falling in love

I would like to propose the definition be expanded to read: "an involuntary interpersonal reaction that involves intrusive, obsessive-compulsive thoughts, feelings, and behaviors that are contingent on perceived emotional reciprocation from the object of interest.  It includes an acute longing for emotional reciprocation and emotional dependence on another person.  It is a state that can be negative, problematic, and impairing, with clinical implications.  There are parallels between falling in love and substance dependence and obsessive-compulsive disorder.  The two parties involved are the person who has fallen in love and the object of their thoughts, feelings, and behaviors.  Although falling in love resembles  love,  they are  not interchangeable terms or concepts,  and neither is a subset of the other.  Although love and falling in love are indistinguishable in the early stages of a relationship, over time, love and falling in love exist independently, each uniquely distinct in profile. In a love relationship, one often experiences initial intense feelings, reactions and absorption in another person that tend to moderate over time. In falling in love, those initial feelings and reactions fail to subside, becoming increasingly intense, pervasive, and disruptive, ultimately rendering difficulty in controlling one’s thoughts, feelings, and behaviors. Falling in love reactions tend to dissipate in conditions where there is complete reciprocation or certainty of reciprocation. Intermediate levels of perceived reciprocation or rejection are conducive to a pervasive state of uncertainty." Thank you.75.56.51.96 15:02, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems much too long and a bit POV to be honest. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:32, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:falling in love


text:
rolák

Noun

 * 1) turtleneck collar, turtleneck , polo-neck
 * 2) turtleneck sweater, turtleneck , polo-neck sweater

title: rolák


text:
giften

Verb

 * 1) to speak angrily and resentfully
 * 2)  to be angry
 * 3)  to make someone angry

title: giften


text:
gifte

Etymology 1
See.

Etymology 2
See

Etymology 3
From, a specialized use of.

Verb

 * 1) marry

Etymology
From, from , from.

Noun

 * 1) gift, present
 * 2) gift, talent

Etymology 2
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to marry or wed
 * 2)  gifte  sin  - (of a father) to give one's daughter away (in marriage)
 * 1)  gifte  sin  - (of a father) to give one's daughter away (in marriage)

Noun

 * 1)  a marriage

title: gifte


text: giftene

title: giftene


text: giftens

title: giftens


text:
giftes

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) gifts

title: giftes


text: giftenes

title: giftenes


text: right back at you

title: right back at you


text:
flavan

Noun

 * 1)  Any of a class of benzopyran derivatives, found in plants, that use the 2-phenyl-3,4-dihydro-2H-chromene skeleton

Derived terms

 * isoflavan

title: flavan


text: flavaj

title: flavaj


text: flavajn

title: flavajn


text:
hopeahääpäivä

Noun

 * 1) silver anniversary day of the 25th anniversary of a marriage

Usage notes
See the usage notes under.

title: hopeahääpäivä


text:
Semitisch

Adjective

 * 1) Semitic

Noun

 * 1) Semitic

title: Semitisch


text: Semitische

title: Semitische


text: Category:Italian terms suffixed with -edro


text:
noordoostelijk

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) northeastern, northeasterly

title: noordoostelijk


text: noordoostelijke

title: noordoostelijke


text:
kultahääpäivä

Noun

 * 1) golden anniversary 50th anniversary of a wedding

Usage notes

 * See:

title: kultahääpäivä


text:
Talk:seduce

I would like to propose one more definition: "to entice someone to part with something that they previously had no intention of parting with."75.56.51.96 15:22, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems both inaccurate and overly specific. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:31, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:seduce


text:
pacatorius

Etymology
From, from , from.

Adjective

 * 1) peace-promoting, pacific

title: pacatorius


text:
Category:Italian terms suffixed with -crazia

es:Categoría:IT:Palabras con el sufijo -crazia fr:Catégorie:Mots en italien suffixés avec -crazia


text: Category:Italian terms suffixed with -tipia


text: Category:Italian terms suffixed with -gono


text:
pacificatorius

Etymology
From, from , from +.

Adjective

 * 1) peacemaking, pacificatory, pacific

title: pacificatorius


text:
pacificatio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) An act of peacemaking, pacification, settlement.

title: pacificatio


text: biskvitojn

title: biskvitojn


text: biskviton

title: biskviton


text: biskvitoj

title: biskvitoj


text:
كأن

Etymology
From.

Conjunction

 * 1) as if

Conjunction

 * 1) as if

title: كأن


text:
pacificator

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  A peacemaker, a pacifier.

Etymology
From, from +.

Noun

 * 1) peacemaker, pacifier,

Etymology
. Equivalent to.

Noun

 * 1) pacifier

title: pacificator


text: kukojn

title: kukojn


text: kukon

title: kukon


text:
kukoj

Etymology
Derived from.

Verb

 * 1) to make fast
 * 2) to seal (of a barrel)

title: kukoj


text: קרואטיה

title: קרואטיה


text: malgrandaj

title: malgrandaj


text: malgrandajn

title: malgrandajn


text: malgrandan

title: malgrandan


text:
bluaj

Etymology
From, from. Cognate to 🇨🇬. Alternatively, according to Orel, from, with the same buccalization of m before l as seen in from , though note that others such as Demiraj derive  from Proto-Albanian, with the same shift of m to b before l nonetheless. In any case, see.

Verb

 * 1) to grind

title: bluaj


text: bluan

title: bluan


text: bluajn

title: bluajn


text:
pacifice

Etymology
From, from +.

Adverb

 * 1) in a pacified manner, pacifically, peaceably, quietly

title: pacifice


text: komputiloj

title: komputiloj


text: komputilon

title: komputilon


text: komputilojn

title: komputilojn


text:
muson

Etymology
, from, from , from. .

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) monsoon

Etymology
., a later borrowing.

Noun

 * 1) boundary stone, marker or landmark

Etymology
From, ultimately from. .

Noun

 * 1)  monsoon

title: muson


text: musojn

title: musojn


text: musoj

title: musoj


text: tabloj

title: tabloj


text: tablon

title: tablon


text: tablojn

title: tablojn


text: katojn

title: katojn


text: katoj

title: katoj


text:
anyanyelv

Noun

 * 1) mother tongue, native language

title: anyanyelv


text: Category:Italian terms suffixed with -edrico


text: pomoj

title: pomoj


text:
malerisk

Etymology
From, after 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) picturesque
 * 2) graphic, vivid
 * 3) painterly

Adverb

 * 1) picturesquely, graphically, vividly

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) picturesque, artistic

title: malerisk


text: pomojn

title: pomojn


text: arboj

title: arboj


text:
arbon

Noun

 * 1) little sister

title: arbon


text: arbojn

title: arbojn


text: arbaroj

title: arbaroj


text: arbaron

title: arbaron


text: arbarojn

title: arbarojn


text: sunoj

title: sunoj


text: sunon

title: sunon


text: sunojn

title: sunojn


text: lunoj

title: lunoj


text: lunon

title: lunon


text: lunojn

title: lunojn


text:
to the victor go the spoils

Proverb

 * 1) The winner of a conflict gains additional benefits, beyond the subject of the conflict.

Translations

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: 成者為王，敗者為寇
 * Finnish: voittaja saa kaiken
 * Japanese: 勝利者に略奪品を行きます
 * Polish: łupy należą do zwycięzcy
 * Portuguese: ao vencedor, os despojos

title: to the victor go the spoils


text:
delegatable

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) Capable of being delegated.

title: delegatable


text: Category:mul:Metrology

title: Category:mul:Metrology


text: Category:mul:Applied sciences

title: Category:mul:Applied sciences


text: Category:mul:Meteorology

title: Category:mul:Meteorology


text: Category:Italian terms suffixed with -gamia


text: Category:Karachay-Balkar personal pronouns


text: Category:Karachay-Balkar pronouns

title: Category:Karachay-Balkar pronouns


text:
hæka

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) haiku

title: hæka


text: Category:English terms suffixed with -biosis


text: absintoj

title: absintoj


text: absinton

title: absinton


text: absintojn

title: absintojn


text: admirantoj

title: admirantoj


text: admiranton

title: admiranton


text: adultulinoj

title: adultulinoj


text: admirantojn

title: admirantojn


text: adultulinon

title: adultulinon


text: adultulinojn

title: adultulinojn


text: amoroj

title: amoroj


text: admiron

title: admiron


text: amoron

title: amoron


text: amorojn

title: amorojn


text: agoj

title: agoj


text:
Talk:sour cream

 * should not this section be called soured cream - as the usual connottaion of  "sour cream" is cream which has become sour - whereas what is baing described is cream which  has been made sour deliberately! 17:44, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps sour cream should be called "soured cream", but it is not (at least in the US). 109.246.254.186 17:24, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:sour cream


text: ajloj

title: ajloj


text: inverzek

title: inverzek


text:
сен

Etymology
, superseded in the modern language by its diminutive.

Noun

 * 1) shadow, umbra

Etymology
From, compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) ear

Etymology
From.

Pronoun

 * 1) you (singular)

Etymology
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Pronoun

 * 1) you, thou second-person singular familiar subject pronoun

Etymology
From.

Pronoun

 * 1) you second-person singular personal pronoun

Etymology
From.

Pronoun

 * 1) you; thou second-person singular familiar personal pronoun

Etymology
From. Compare to 🇨🇬.

Pronoun

 * 1) you second-person singular familiar personal pronoun

Etymology
From. Cognate to 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, etc.

Noun

 * 1) you, thou

Noun

 * 1) year

Etymology
From. Compare to 🇨🇬.

Pronoun

 * 1) you second-person singular familiar personal pronoun

Etymology
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, etc.

Pronoun

 * 1) you, thou

Etymology
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬.

Pronoun

 * 1) you

title: сен


text: inverzem

title: inverzem


text: inverzeim

title: inverzeim


text: inverzed

title: inverzed


text: inverzeid

title: inverzeid


text:
inverze

Noun

 * 1) inversion

Related terms

 * See

title: inverze


text: inverzei

title: inverzei


text: inverzünk

title: inverzünk


text: inverzeink

title: inverzeink


text: inverzetek

title: inverzetek


text: inverzeitek

title: inverzeitek


text: inverzük

title: inverzük


text: inverzeik

title: inverzeik


text: zajom

title: zajom


text: zajaim

title: zajaim


text: zajod

title: zajod


text: zajaid

title: zajaid


text: zaja

title: zaja


text: zajai

title: zajai


text: zajunk

title: zajunk


text: zajaink

title: zajaink


text: zajotok

title: zajotok


text: zajaitok

title: zajaitok


text: zajuk

title: zajuk


text: zajaik

title: zajaik


text: zsenim

title: zsenim


text: zsenijeim

title: zsenijeim


text: zsenid

title: zsenid


text: zsenije

title: zsenije


text: zsenijei

title: zsenijei


text: zsenink

title: zsenink


text: zsenijeink

title: zsenijeink


text: zsenitek

title: zsenitek


text: zsenijeitek

title: zsenijeitek


text: zsenijük

title: zsenijük


text: zsenijeik

title: zsenijeik


text: zsepim

title: zsepim


text: zsepijeim

title: zsepijeim


text: zsepid

title: zsepid


text: zsepijeid

title: zsepijeid


text: zsepije

title: zsepije


text: zsepijei

title: zsepijei


text: zsepink

title: zsepink


text: zsepijeink

title: zsepijeink


text: zsepitek

title: zsepitek


text: zsepijeitek

title: zsepijeitek


text: zsepijük

title: zsepijük


text: zsepijeik

title: zsepijeik


text: zsilipem

title: zsilipem


text: zsilipjeim

title: zsilipjeim


text: zsiliped

title: zsiliped


text: zsilipjeid

title: zsilipjeid


text: zsilipje

title: zsilipje


text: zsilipjei

title: zsilipjei


text: zsilipünk

title: zsilipünk


text: zsilipjeink

title: zsilipjeink


text: zsilipetek

title: zsilipetek


text: zsilipjeitek

title: zsilipjeitek


text: zsilipjük

title: zsilipjük


text: zsilipjeik

title: zsilipjeik


text:
Talk:mensaap

I know that Wiktionary primarily deals with language, but is it really correct that the gorilla is closer to the human genetically than chimpanzees? Looks strange. Wakuran 18:00, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:mensaap


text: csomagolni

title: csomagolni


text: せいゆう

title: せいゆう


text: seiyū

title: seiyū


text: Category:Italian terms suffixed with -cratico


text: aeroj

title: aeroj


text: aerojn

title: aerojn


text: nahues

title: nahues


text: csomagolok

title: csomagolok


text: zsugám

title: zsugám


text: zsugáim

title: zsugáim


text: zsugád

title: zsugád


text: zsugáid

title: zsugáid


text: zsugája

title: zsugája


text: zsugái

title: zsugái


text: zsugánk

title: zsugánk


text: zsugáink

title: zsugáink


text: zsugátok

title: zsugátok


text: zsugáitok

title: zsugáitok


text: zsugájuk

title: zsugájuk


text: zsugáik

title: zsugáik


text:
utilizaire

Noun

 * 1) user all meanings

title: utilizaire


text: utilizaires

title: utilizaires


text: voice talents

title: voice talents


text:
actor de voz

Noun

 * 1) voice actor

title: actor de voz


text: actores de voz

title: actores de voz


text:
actriz de voz

Noun

 * 1) ; voice actress

title: actriz de voz


text: actrices de voz

title: actrices de voz


text: poison-pen letters

title: poison-pen letters


text: German virgins

title: German virgins


text: Template:frm-noun

title: Template:frm-noun


text: Category:Middle French templates

title: Category:Middle French templates


text:
暗室

Noun

 * 1)  darkroom
 * 2)  dark place

Noun

 * 1) a darkroom

title: 暗室


text:
ピッコロ

Etymology
Borrowed from, from.

Noun

 * 1)  a piccolo

title: ピッコロ


text: rondelets

title: rondelets


text: rondelette

title: rondelette


text: rondelettes

title: rondelettes


text: no brainers

title: no brainers


text:
マリンバ

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) marimba

title: マリンバ


text: Category:Italian terms suffixed with -iatria


text:
マウンテンバイク

Etymology
Transcription of.

Noun

 * 1) mountain bike

title: マウンテンバイク


text:
Occitania

Etymology
From. From, from , from. Equivalent of.

Proper noun

 * 1) A region of Europe corresponding to Southern France, Auvergne, Limousin, and some parts of Catalonia and Italy, where the Occitan language was widely spoken and is still spoken.

Translations

 * Acehnese: Usitanyo
 * Arabic: أُوكْسِتَانِيَا
 * Basque: Okzitania
 * Belarusian: Аксітанія
 * Breton: Okitania
 * Catalan:
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: 奧克西塔尼亞
 * Chuvash: Окситани
 * Czech: Okcitánie
 * Danish: Occitanien
 * Dutch: Occitanië
 * Esperanto: Okcitanio
 * Estonian: Oksitaania
 * Finnish:
 * French:
 * Friulian: Ocitanie
 * German:
 * Greek: Οξιτανία
 * Ido: Ocitania
 * Indonesian: Ositania
 * Irish: Ocsatáin
 * Italian: Occitania
 * Japanese: オクシタニア
 * Korean: ^오시타니아
 * Kurdish:
 * Northern Kurdish: Oksîtanya
 * Latin:
 * Lithuanian: Oksitanija
 * Lombard: Ucitània
 * Low German:
 * German Low German: Okzitanien
 * Manx: Ocsitaan
 * Marathi: ऑक्सिटानिया
 * Norwegian:
 * Bokmål: Oksitania
 * Nynorsk: Oksitania
 * Occitan:
 * Ossetian: Окситани
 * Polish:
 * Portuguese:
 * Quechua: Uqsitaniya
 * Russian:
 * Sardinian: Otzitania
 * Scots: Occitanie
 * Serbo-Croatian:
 * Cyrillic: Окситанија
 * Roman: Oksitanija
 * Slovak: Occitánia, Okcitánia
 * Spanish:
 * Swedish: Occitanien
 * Tamil: ஒக்சித்தானியா
 * Turkish: Oksitanya
 * Ukrainian: Оксита́нія
 * Volapük: Loxitän
 * Welsh: Ocsitania
 * West Flemish: Occitanië
 * West Frisian: Oksitaanje

Etymology
From,.

title: Occitania


text:
Occitània

Etymology
From.

title: Occitània


text:
出版社

Noun

 * 1) press; publishing house; publisher

Descendants
Others:

Noun

 * 1) publisher; publishing house

title: 出版社


text: Category:Italian terms suffixed with -cita


text:
Template:mg-verb

This template is used for the basic forms of Malagasy verbs. Further conjugation should be done under either the agent (active) form (if the verb is "derived") or the patient (passive) form (if the verb is "underived", or is affixed with a-, tafa-, or voa-, or is infixed with -in- or -om-.)

title: Template:mg-verb


text: ferskens

title: ferskens


text: muhajireen

title: muhajireen


text: ferskenens

title: ferskenens


text: fersknens

title: fersknens


text: ferskners

title: ferskners


text: ferskeners

title: ferskeners


text: ferskenernes

title: ferskenernes


text: fersknernes

title: fersknernes


text: occitanes

title: occitanes


text: occitans

title: occitans


text:
skeely

Etymology
, Scottish form of.

Adjective

 * 1)  Skilful.

title: skeely


text:
unweder

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) bad weather, tempest

Etymology
From, from , equivalent to. Cognate with 🇨🇬 (🇨🇬) and 🇨🇬 (🇨🇬).

Noun

 * 1) bad weather, storm

title: unweder


text:
puhumattakaan

Verb

 * : without speaking

Adverb

 * 1) let alone, not to mention, to say nothing of

Usage notes

 * If a verb needs to be connected to this term, use the conjunction + conditional, as in the usage example above.

title: puhumattakaan


text:
hostmaster

Noun

 * 1)  A person responsible for managing domain name records within the Domain Name System or any individual computer (typically a server).

title: hostmaster


text: puhumatta

title: puhumatta


text:
Talk:aux abonnés absents

Anyone able to understand this? Mglovesfun (talk) 20:13, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Want me to dig a few citations? Circeus 21:15, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:aux abonnés absents


text: nagykövetek

title: nagykövetek


text: anyanyelvek

title: anyanyelvek


text: anyanyelveket

title: anyanyelveket


text: wedru

title: wedru


text:
Talk:druzy

Can anyone tell me what druzy is? Like druzy quartz? Is it the sparkles? thanks, Jan

 * See druse:. Equinox ◑ 14:15, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:druzy


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pyöräilykypärä

Noun

 * 1) A bicycle helmet.

title: pyöräilykypärä


text: wedres

title: wedres


text: wedra

title: wedra


text:
Talk:climate change

The definition "Changes in the Earth's climate, especially those produced by global warming" is circular and therefore not meaningful. Additionally, the phrase "...Changes in the Earth's climate, especially those produced by global warming" is not appropriate for defining "Climate Change".

title: Talk:climate change


text: wedre

title: wedre


text:
soratra

Etymology
, from, from.

Noun

 * , writing

Verb

 * 1) to write
 * 2) to print on paper, fabric, etc.

title: soratra


text: wedrum

title: wedrum


text:
ruorimies

Noun

 * 1)  A helm, helmsman member of crew in charge of steering.

title: ruorimies


text:
kypäräpäinen

Adjective

 * 1) helmeted

title: kypäräpäinen


text: Category:Malagasy verb forms

title: Category:Malagasy verb forms


text:
Category:Hungarian nouns suffixed with -alék

 * See also
 * Category:Hungarian nouns suffixed with -lék
 * Category:Hungarian nouns suffixed with -elék


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tapitra

Adjective

 * 1) ended, finished
 * 2) dirtied, dirty

Verb

 * 1) to end, finish
 * 2) to dirty

title: tapitra


text:
manapitra

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to end, finish
 * 2)  to dirty

title: manapitra


text:
moslék

Etymology
. From. The original phonetic form had three syllables and its original meaning was dirty wash water.

Noun

 * 1) swill, slop
 * 2)  swill, slop

title: moslék


text: moslékok

title: moslékok


text:
ամբար

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) granary, barn

Etymology
From. The spelling is from Middle Persian. See 🇨🇬 for more.

Noun

 * 1) warehouse, storehouse, granary, loft; larder, pantry
 * 2) provisions, furnishing, supplying, victualing
 * 1) provisions, furnishing, supplying, victualing

title: ամբար


text: Category:Malagasy terms prefixed with man-


text: plagiadora

title: plagiadora


text: plagiadores

title: plagiadores


text: plagiadoras

title: plagiadoras


text:
համբար

Etymology
From.

title: համբար


text:
serpina

Noun

 * 1)  serpin

title: serpina


text:
sirtuina

Noun

 * 1)  sirtuin

Noun

 * 1)  sirtuin

title: sirtuina


text: sirtuinas

title: sirtuinas


text:
subtilisina

Noun

 * 1)  subtilisin

title: subtilisina


text:
tiorredoxina

Noun

 * 1)  thioredoxin

title: tiorredoxina


text:
anoratana

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to write with something i.e., a pen, pencil, etc.
 * 2) to loom i.e., to use a loom to arrange silk

title: anoratana


text:
transcriptasa

Noun

 * 1)  transcriptase

title: transcriptasa


text:
zimasa

Noun

 * 1)  zymase

title: zimasa


text:
zimógeno

Noun

 * 1)  zymogen

title: zimógeno


text:
soratana

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to write X i.e., a letter, a book, etc.
 * 2)  to loom X i.e., to use a loom to arrange silk
 * 3)  to be written
 * 4)  to be loomed i.e., to arrange silk fabric, etc., on a loom

title: soratana


text:
francofilia

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) francophilia

title: francofilia


text:
Talk:Yankee go home

Also used by people in Southern US States (i.e. rednecks) to express anger at people from Northern US States (i.e. Yankees) in a foreign land. Especially when said Northerner constantly degrades the South yet prefers to live in Southern States over Northern States.

RFD discussion: May 2019–April 2020
A mess of an entry, which may well simply be SOP. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 21:01, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

 * Delete, I'm astonished that it has been around for so long. You can pretty much replace the word "Yankee" with any racial slur and get the gist of it. --Robbie SWE (talk) 10:51, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * ROMANES EUNT DOMUS? --Lambiam 13:15, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

 * Delete: not idiomatic, despite the assertion in the entry. — SGconlaw (talk) 11:28, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I‘m not so sure it is a simple sum of parts. The ethnic senses of the noun “Yankee” as we define the term denote in all cases an individual, but in the political sense of this slogan it refers to . --Lambiam 11:50, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Can that be established from citations? I have a feeling that much of the time it’s just used to mean “American citizens and companies, go back to your own country”, which would be SoP. — SGconlaw (talk) 12:24, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The Iranians certainly used the slogan in that sense when the US orchestrated a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government and reinstalled a ruthless autocrat in its place. To argue this is a SOP would at the very least require adding a new sense “American citizens and companies” at . --Lambiam 13:05, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm suspecting they didn't; the Shah would have cracked down hard on that. "A native or inhabitant of the United States" seems to cover the phrase, with companies generally being an extension thereof; if I can find examples of "Japanese go home" signs at openings of Toyota dealerships or factories, will you insist on adding companies to the noun meaning of Japanese? I object to "citizens"; it's not a word of precision, and if it's getting slung against an American the fine details of citizenship would be irrelevant.--Prosfilaes (talk) 18:39, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

 * Keep. Widespread long-term use. Idiomatic in the sense that it refers to anti-American sentiment, usually against US foreign policy and its military.--Dmol (talk) 12:00, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. It may have some interesting use for Wikipedia, but it's linguistically uninteresting. One could add to Yankee the mass definition; it seems surprising that it's not plural (though note the only citation is using it correctly as singular). But other than that, "Krauts go home", "Arabs go home", etc. etc.--Prosfilaes (talk) 18:39, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * “Yankee go home” is clearly the original, the others are clones. --Lambiam 15:38, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Clearly? Why? In searching for it, I find "Szwaby do domu" (Krauts go home) was written on Polish walls (Language, Discourse and Identity in Central Europe, page 66); is that a clone, or just because this is the normal way to convey this message?--Prosfilaes (talk) 05:01, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep not just because it's used often in anti-Americanist discourse and protests, but also because Yankee in that phrase is used as a slur. -Mardus (talk) 12:03, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

 * Yank is often a slur; is Yankee not? Equinox ◑ 12:08, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. I think the singular/plural distinction is not very interesting here, it could simply be addressing the addressees individually or a poor command of English. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  14:26, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Deleted - TheDaveRoss  16:35, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

title: Talk:Yankee go home


text:
francofobia

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) Francophobia

title: francofobia


text:
francofobo

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) francophobe

title: francofobo


text:
francofono

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) Francophone, francophone

Noun

 * 1) Francophone, francophone

title: francofono


text:
francófilo

Adjective

 * 1) Francophile loving France, the French people or French culture

Noun

 * 1) Francophile one who loves France

Noun

 * 1) francophile

title: francófilo


text:
francone

Adjective

 * 1) Franconian

Noun

 * 1) Franconian (language)

title: francone


text:
franco-normanno

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) Norman French

title: franco-normanno


text:
francoprovenzale

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) Franco-Provençal

Noun

 * 1) Franco-Provençal

title: francoprovenzale


text:
democratia

Noun

 * 1) democracy

Etymology
From the.

title: democratia


text:
-päinen

Adjective

 * 1) Of or pertaining to a head;

title: -päinen


text:
-ér

Usage notes

 * Variants:
 *  is added to back-vowel words
 *  is added to front-vowel words

title: -ér


text:
ديموقراطية

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) democracy

title: ديموقراطية


text:
freno-

Prefix

 * 1) phreno-

title: freno-


text:
ديمقراطية

Etymology 1
.

Noun

 * 1) democracy

title: ديمقراطية


text:
misoratra

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)   to write to X
 * 2) to be spotted, coloured, printed

title: misoratra


text:
phreno-

Etymology
From.

Prefix

 * 1) mind.
 * 2) diaphragm.

Translations

 * Italian: freno-

title: phreno-


text: libron

title: libron


text: librojn

title: librojn


text:
User talk:Carolina wren

maledico
I've created the Latin entry for this word. Does Catalan include a descendant? --EncycloPetey 04:03, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes,, which I just added as a redlink to maledico. I'm in no hurry to make it a bluelink as the current conjugation templates can't handle it easily. As usual for Catalan, the etymologies I have cite the present infinitive  (one as male dicere). No explanation of why the d got dropped so that it didn't end up *maledir — Carolina wren discussió  04:24, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I understand entirely. You may notice that Galician maledicir: is also a red link for now.  I still have a lot of work to do for the conjugation templates of -ir verbs in Galician.  Many are notoriously irregular or have other odd spelling and orthography changes that -ar and -er verbs do not have. --EncycloPetey 21:31, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

RE:Template:ca-verb form of
Oh, sorry for the lap (it's long ago since I last visited en.wikt :. Please, do all you find good with the template. Thanks! -Aleator 18:03, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

hate sex
Thanks for the cleanup. The entry started due to a deletion discussion on Wikipedia; it was noted that the article there was a dictionary definition. I'd dug up some sources using the term but not giving enough discussion for an encyclopedia entry, so I thought I'd have a go at starting my first Wiktionary entry. Apologies that it wasn't quite right. Should I also begin hate fuck? That's also got sources to attest to its usage as a noun and verb, and I should have a better idea now on what to do. Fences and windows 01:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

ca:Languages
Sorry for not replying sooner. Anyway, are they really considered proper nouns? If so, by who? By English speakers, or Catalan speakers, or both? Mglovesfun (talk) 17:10, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

 * They're proper nouns because they name a specific thing and aren't normally used in the plural. Rarely does anyone speak of two Englishes (dos anglesos en català).  If we classified these words as Catalan does, as noms gentilicis, we'd be using Gentilic (i.e. Demonym) as an L3 header, altho Catalan dictionaries separate out the senses into the usual adjective / noun division.  Then again dictionaries in any language generally don't separate proper nouns from nouns like we do either, possibly since proper nouns are sometimes used in ways that don't fit the strict definition of a proper noun.  For example, to reuse my earlier example, if one were to write about the Englishes of Shakespeare and Hemingway, is English acting like a proper noun or a common noun in that context?  Still with with the L3 headers currently in use, languages should be considered proper nouns.

 * In any case, languages certainly aren't invariant in Catalan. In those exceptional cases where a plural would be used, they form standard plurals in both English and Catalan, and the standard plural of anglès is anglesos, not anglès. — Carolina wren discussió 00:33, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I was essentially making the assumption than French and Catalan use the same grammatical rules for languages, knowing full well that someone could (hopefully would) correct them later, with pronunciation and whatnot. Your logic seems correct, I totally agree, but do Catalan dictionaries class languages as proper nouns? In fact, I might be able to check tomorrow on Thursday as our local library has a lot of language dictionaries. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:55, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * In fairness the online dictionary you gave me gives anglès as a common noun, not a proper noun.

Mglovesfun (talk) 14:50, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Which one are you referring to? The three I have links to on my user page, and DACCO which I don't bother with a link as it is currently a work in progress, don't differntiate between proper and common nouns.  As far as what they report, both proper nouns and common nouns are simply nouns. — Carolina wren discussió  18:29, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Good point, yes, I can reply more fully when I get home in about 4 hours (ish). Mglovesfun (talk) 13:27, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I checked, my local library doesn't have a Catalan dictionary. As much as I totally agree with your logic, I think you might be going against the grain on this one. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Transwiki:Mirliton
Your msg: The edit history on a Transwiki has to be preserved under our terms of use, so cut and paste followed by a deletion of the Transwiki is not considered acceptable. — Carolina wren discussió 17:10, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. I note that Transwiki:Mirliton starts with a capital "M" but it seems that the final page should be lowercase "m".--Livingrm 23:04, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Dots in Catalan words
Like Welsh. WTF is that all about? Mglovesfun (talk) 22:32, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The is what that is all about. With the interpunct the two eles is pronounced  with a syllable break between them.  Without it, it's pronounced . — Carolina wren discussió  22:53, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Uhm
- What is this, you too succumbing under Ullmann's domain? Or you started learning Serbo-Croatian and thereby express genuine interest in asborbing knowledge from those "deleted sections" ? --Ivan Štambuk 05:03, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * And at least one of your "restorations of deleted sections" contained a rectified error, so it would be very much appreciated if you stick to the languages you happen to be familiar with. --Ivan Štambuk 05:07, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * - Again - if you want to add entries from these fantasy-languages, it is not enough to simply copy/paste old revisions from the page history. In this edit of yours you introduced vocative singular of brače which doesn't exist because brak does not refer to animate being, and which was fixed in the ==Serbo-Croatian== section. You also introduced ethnic imbalance by restoring only "Croatian", and not also "Serbian" and "Bosnian". Your edit was ultimately more harmful than useful, as per "separate treatment" rationale some innocent ignorant user would 1) acquire factually wrong information 2) be likely mislead into thinking that this word is not used in Bosnian and Serbian standard of Serbo-Croatian, and that is Croatian-only, which is not the case. We must aim for NPOV coverage of all modern Serbo-Croatian standard. If you don't know the language you shouldn't be doing these kind of edits, because this way you burden SC contributors like me to watch and clean up after you, in a completely pointless task wasting time that could be otherwise spent in a much more useful manner. --Ivan Štambuk 05:32, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

- and here someone would be mislead into thinking that there is an additional non-legal sense sense in Serbo-Croatian which is not present in "Croatian"..... *SIGH* Carolina, you may perceive that what you are doing is something truly beneficial for the users, but in reality it's not, and is in effect simply expanding my cleanup-list. Why don't you simply get back to your usual Catalan words and leave Serbo-Croatian language(s) to knowledgeable folks like me, eh? :) --Ivan Štambuk 15:25, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, all that could be reasonably be concluded is that Wiktionary does not have a Serbian or Bosnian entry on the word which may or may not exist in those languages/dialects. The Iberian languages I spend most of my time on often have the same situation.  Indeed, I often end up adding Catalan sections to entries that have existing Spanish, Portuguese, Asturian, Galician, and/or Occitan entries covering the same senses.  Until Wiktionary is far more complete than it currently is, absence of an entry cannot be taken as absence of a word in a given language/dialect. — Carolina wren discussió  15:45, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Against what policy? There is no language-inclusion policy on Wiktionary, only word-inclusion criteria (WT:CFI). And common Serbo-Croatian treatment passes that as we are not forbidding any word. We define our notion of "language" on how we see it fit to fulfill the goals of the project, and in this case, it's more than appropriate. --Ivan Štambuk 15:30, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * From the CFI itself:
 * Natural languages:All natural languages are acceptable. However, it is important to note that the question of whether a proposed language is considered a living language, or a dialect of or alternate name for another language is inherently subjective in some cases, and either designation may have political overtones.
 * The issue of whether Bosnian, Croatian, and Serbian, are languages of their own or different standards of a single pluricentric Serbo-Croatian is exactly the sort of political issue that section addresses. Until such time as consensus is established to obliterate the B/C/S sections in favor of S-C, as far as the CFI is concerned you are deleting entries in those languages. — Carolina wren discussió  15:45, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

 * Note that there are many hundreds languages with ISO codes that we do not add: several constructed languages which we agreed not to add, and many hundreds (possibly thousands) languages without literary tradition, which we cannot add as they are not attested, but only described in scholarly works (thus cannot pass CFI) in scientific transcription. Note also that we defined several "languages" of our own (in terms of L2 headers) on Language codes. We are neither bound by an external authority or some "policy" as what is language (and note also that that policy does not define what is language), but instead do it as we think it's the most appropriate to meet our goals.

 * Serbo-Croatian is linguistically one language by 99% of world's Slavist. It's taught as one language on every single university in France, UK, Netherlands, Germany and Russia (which have the best programs in Slavic Studies), as well as almost all (98%) of USA and Canadian collages (unless they're sponsored by nationalist diaspora, as we've been informed by an insider).

 * But than again, as I've repeated many times, that question on whether they are "different languages" or not, while it seems to be the most pertinent, is in fact the most irrelevant: The only thing we should be having in mind is: Are we doing a service to the users (and contributors, to some extent), by common treatment or not. And in that terms, the separation seems to be sheer waste of time and space. And so does your restoration of "deleted sections", with factually wrong and incomplete information, bad formatting etc. --Ivan Štambuk 16:00, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

 * If we deleted entries for being incomplete, badly formatted, and/or with errors, we'd likely have less than 100,000 entries not more than 1,000,000. :) Maybe even less than 10,000 depending on what standard of completion one insists upon.  — Carolina wren discussió  16:14, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

- I veraciously admire your donquixotic endeavours. --Ivan Štambuk 19:19, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If I were truly quixotic, I'd go back to your pre-November deletions, but I'm not that ambitious. — Carolina wren discussió 19:30, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * And If I were verily equally quixotic as I were yesteryear, I'd rage against your abusive locutions such as delete,, meddling in topics beyond your ken, and the inane futility of your "restorations", but hopefully I'm now just another disenchanted pragmatist ^_^ *SIGH* Watch out, many a new (possibly assimilatory) SC entry soon arriving at a waxing rate! :) --Ivan Štambuk 21:12, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If I didn't consider them deletions under the Wiktionary's current lack of consensus, I wouldn't be bothering to restore them, so I wouldn't say the locution is abusive, Panza. The boundary between language and dialect is not as bright as you like to state, tho your belief that it is bright is quixotic on your part.  Incidentally, are you taking any steps for preparing for the Montenegrin standard when it finally gets released (and likely gets its own ISO 639 codes)? They seem to be deliberately taking steps to diverge from the unified Serbo-Croatian standard with their addition of two letters and using an Old Shtokavian basis instead of a Neo-Shtokavian basis as the other three national standards do. — Carolina wren discussió  23:26, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It is abusive Carolina because it casts me as a some kind of a "vandal", who "deletes stuff" :) It's classical Ullmanian "ISO codes = language headers = languages" chop-logic that constantly gets reiterated...
 * "The boundary between language and dialect is not as bright as you like to state, " - How many times do I have to repeat, Modern standard Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian are all based on the same dialect, they are the same dialect, there are no "language" that these are dialects of. Period. And Montenegrin too - Not Old Štokavian as you've been misinformed but Neoštokavian, and it would painlessly integrate into our common SC treatment, as I've already elaborated here. These two new letters are used by some 0.01% of Montenegrins (try googling words with them from Index:Montenegrin if you don't believe me :), and the necessity of their introduction (which breaks the 2-centuries old phonological orthography of Serbo-Croatian) has been almost unanimously scoffed at by the venerable ex-yu Slavists (I can give you links to some papers if you're interested :) One language! --Ivan Štambuk 23:48, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I said the forthcoming Motenegrin standard, not necessarily the language as presently generally used by Montenegrins. Considering that the decision to include the two letters in the official alphabet was finalized only this summer I'm not at all surprised that there is little usage of them on the Internet at present. Also, unless the Wikipedia article is hopelessly wrong isn't the Zeta dialect Old Shtokovian?  As I said, it's quite clear that Montenegro is engaging in political decisions to maximize the differences between their upcoming standard and the other three national standards.  It remains to see if those differences stick or not.  At least they resisted the proposal to include 'З' in the official Montenegrin Latin alphabet.  'Ś' and 'Ź' are already present in Unicode as Latin letters and in ISO 8859-2.  If the additions stick they won't cause any mixed script problems. — Carolina wren discussió  01:59, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it's Neoštokavian, don't trust Wikipedia on contentious issues such as this, as facts gets distorted by bigoted nationalist PoV partisans. (As we already saw on the SC merger vote, where several Croats and Serbs blatantly lied on the differences among the modern day Serbo-Croatian standards, comparing them to that of Czech and Slovak, or Scandinavian languages). The new "Montenegrin standard will be", in the words Milenko Perović, one of the writers of the Montenegrin orthography that I commented upon - Crnogorski jezik je sastavni deo novoštokavskog jezičkog sistema - "a constituent part of the Neoštokavian language system", who also explained that linguistically "they'll both be correct" (će biti u pravu), those who "up until today created a culture of Ijekavian Serbo-Croatian, and those who obeyed by the rules of the new orthography" (do sada izgradili kulturu ijekavskog srpsko-hrvatskog jezika i oni koji koji budu govorili i pisali po novom pravopisu). They're not inventing some "new standard" but merely recodifying the old one under a new name :) And, FYI, the principal difference between Old and Neo-Shtokavian is in accents - the Neoštokavian speeches exhibited the so-called "Neoštokavian retraction" (whence the name), where the accents retracted from the (chiefly) word-final syllable yielding new rising tone. And since the accents are not written in the usual orthography, in practice it would be no difference at all :) (there are also some other characteristically Neoštokavian features in morphology, but more or less all old Štokavian speeches are Neoštokavianized by today as the latter one has been the only literary standard for the last 2 centuries, taught in schools, used by the media etc. OŠ is en route to extinction ^_^) Carolina, I sympathize with your efforts to try to reason the "differences" between these Serb-Croatian regional varieties, but rest assured that they're 100% a result of a typical Balkanic identity-crisis, and 0% a linguistic necessity, reflective of actual language usage. The time of the "new languages" was early 19th century, what has been done has been done, now it's too late to change anything. Increasing cultural interaction, $$$-driven businesses and daily migration keeps ironing out the differences across the region much more today than it was ever the case in Yugoslavia, it's just that most ordinary people are too blind to see it :) --Ivan Štambuk 02:49, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe/maybe not. Most minority languages/dialects are fading, but others are resurging.  A minority that is bloody-minded enough can resist assimilation to a wider standard, and if there is anything the 20th century made clear it's that the Balkans can be awfully bloody. — Carolina wren discussió  04:29, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

 * If I may intrude, having spoken at considerable length with Amgine, a central misunderstanding seems to be that a lack of a "==Bosnian==" implies lack of an entry describing Bosnian. To me it seems clear that anyone wanting to do reliable look-up of "Scots" on Wiktionary would look at "Scots", at "English" and at "Translingual", in a similar way for "Bosnian" at "Bosnian", "Serbo-Croatian" and "Translingual". There is absolutely no advantage to having a Bosnian section that simply repeats that which is written in the Serbo-Croatian section, anyone who (and indeed any automaton that) is serious about looking up information will be in no way benefitted. Note that this line of reasoning makes no claims as to whether they are "the same language" or "different languages" such a politically controversial distinction is not relevant, and what I have said stands in both cases. The only way to make progress in this area is for those who speak the languages to improve upon the entries there, be it by creating their own more-specific sections, or simply adding to the unified section - simply repeating what is already there achieves nothing, and can only lead to the inevitable human error causing further problems. I don't mind if you continue, and certainly aren't asking you to stop; but, if you have a minute, I would appreciate some reasoning as to why you think the edits are beneficial. Conrad.Irwin 00:56, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If the deletions stand then, we'd be ignoring a willful ignoring of the lack of consensus as whether to consider B, C, and S as languages or dialects for our purposes. Taking such a position is definitely POV and should not be made without consensus.  My position comes primarily from a desire to defend what little process we do have, though I will admit to being an inclusionist when it comes to these languages, because I happen to agree with the proposition that living languages are defined not only by pure academics but also by politics.  (Incidentally, that's why I consider Montengrin getting ISO codes of its own only likely and not certain.  The Montenegrin government despite backing an effort to make their standard considerably different from the other three has not yet been willing to unambiguously claim that their language is a different language from the other yugoslavic languages.  Isn't sausage making messy? :) If the Montenegrin government and their language standard body don't back the proposal for a code, the ISO, which definitely considers politics more than academics in this sort of situation, will probably not grant a code.  It's the same reasoning that was used to reject a proposal made a year or two ago to recognize Catalan as a macrolanguage with Valencian and Catalan as its constituents.)  — Carolina wren discussió  01:59, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright. I do not see these actions as deletions, as nothing is in anyway being deleted; modulo perhaps the explicit "==Bosnian==" - but that is merely subsumed by the implicit "==Bosnian==" that exists everywhere there is a "==Serbo-Croatian==" (irregardless of whether they are the same or separate languages - while treating them as multiple sections almost definitely implies that they are multiple languages; treating them in one section does not definitely imply they are the same, merely that it is a helpful abstraction to treat them in the same manner). Thanks for the reply, I understand your point of view. Conrad.Irwin 13:17, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

IPA
Use correct symbols, si (o si no) et plau. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 01:49, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

topical categories
Hi, just because they have nothing in them doesn't mean the should be deleted (provided that there are equivalent categories for other languages). Compare some of the definitions at dégueulasse: to what I'm saying. 50 Xylophone Players talk 22:14, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It's easy enough to recreate them when they do have content, plus that category was using the deprecated which I'm trying to depopulate.  If you insist on restoring it again, please use  instead, or even better, do that and add a Lobjan entry which would cause it to be populated. — Carolina wren discussió  23:18, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Your "solution" reminds me of an old lady who swallowed a fly. — Carolina wren discussió 23:50, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Semosh
I don't think this is kosher

And the entry is imho nonsense. Jcwf 04:25, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Dutch
Ov courze you donot hafe mutsh rezpekt four us Dutsj I realisze that, but the Dutsh and Flemmish and Surinamese peoples and governements hafe joindly and demokratically disaided to adopt a regulated zpelling vor our langwidge It is lelietje-van-dalen.

So stop screwing up our spelling. I could very well do that to yours too as you can see.

Offendedly yours Jcwf 05:59, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

 * We're a descriptive not a prescriptive dictionary. If it's not an approved spelling, there are several ways to indicate that such as using, , or  depending on how strong the official disapproval is. — Carolina wren <small style="font-family:sans-serif">discussió  06:20, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

vostès
Please, what does vostès mean? --Rising Sun 22:23, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a polite form of y'all used as a stressed pronoun. Pronoun use in Catalan is still something I'm weak at, which is why I left such a blatant redlink unfilled till now.  Peculiarly, despite being a second person plural pronoun, it is used with the third person plural forms of verbs. — Carolina wren <small style="font-family:sans-serif">discussió  23:35, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Categories
Hi there. Would you like some help updating the categories? I would be willing to help you if you'd like. Let me know if you'd like me to. Cheers, <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 22:57, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the offer, but I have gotten it down to a system, tho thats not always apparent from the order of edits, and it doesn't involve simply checking what links here for, as some categories haven't been using even that. I'd probably end up doublechecking what you do anyway, which while wouldn't be bad, wouldn't be saving me that much time.  So I'll bounce the ball back in your court. — Carolina wren <small style="font-family:sans-serif">discussió  23:05, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, no problems. I respect your opinion and I agree that I'd probably just make more work for you.  Let me know if you need any help in the future, <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 23:07, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think you would add more work for me, but there would be some duplication between us. — Carolina wren <small style="font-family:sans-serif">discussió 23:09, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * 'Tis fine. I'll let you do it yourself.  I still got tons of Esperanto entries to write, so I'll leave you to your own devices.  Let me know if you ever need anything done in the future, and I'll see what I can do.  Cheers, <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 23:13, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Template:nav description
Hey Carolina; just saw your note. I haven't been active on Wiktionary for quite some time, so I'm not sure how things have evolved since I last looked at this. Last time I looked at it, I recall the topic* templates being relatively feature-complete, but someone who's been involved more recently would have to look into it. Hope that helps. Mike Dillon 22:37, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Ando-kun
Yes, I thought to myself that it might be a conlang, but unusually there's nothing to be found on the Web (would someone really come to Wiktionary first when documenting one?) and the example sentence did have a slightly Portuguesey look to it. Hopefully he will reply and explain things! Equinox ◑ 16:22, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

пуж
- you just can't stand annoying me, can you? --Ivan Štambuk 20:30, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not a priority with me, and it's not done with the intent of annoying you, but yes. — Carolina wren <small style="font-family:sans-serif">discussió 20:32, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Your "restorations" are worthless multiplication of content. There is absolutely no reason why you'd do this other than annoy me and other Serbo-Croatian contributors. I have serious suspicion that this pointless activity of yours that you periodically demonstrate is being instigated by Robert Ullmann. The moment you make a single mistake in your "restorations", I'll block you. --Ivan Štambuk 20:37, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That suspicion you can lay to rest. Robert has had nothing to do with influencing me to do what I do. — Carolina wren <small style="font-family:sans-serif">discussió  20:40, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course not. It's your righteous sense of responsibility for pseudo-languages. --Ivan Štambuk 20:45, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Mglovesfun/To do
Please add any context labels that you think belong here. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Caló
SIL just retired the language code for "Caló" [rmr]. They split it into "Erromintxela" ("Basque Romany") [emx] and made a new "Caló" [rmq] identifier. Would you be able to update your edits involving Caló (caló and Caló) to one of these new identifiers (probably [rmq])? Thanks. --Bequw → ¢ • τ 22:05, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Votes/2010-04/Voting policy
I urge you to vote. (I don't know which way you'll vote, but I want more voices, especially English Wiktionarians' voices, heard in this vote.) If you've voted already, or stated that you won't, and I missed it, I apologize. —msh210℠ 17:00, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Just, thank you!
Thank you for all your work about my natal language, that is, Catalan. I know, my words arribe 3 years later, probably because at the begining all that was too much for me, and later I don't think more. Then sorry for be to later and congrats for your great work. --Maltrobat 18:24, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Catalan ordinal numbers
A long time ago, you posted that couldn't handle the optional forms of the ordinals for certain numbers (see Template talk:cardinalbox). I just added three new parameters, opt, optx, and optalt, which solve that problem. If you still want to fix the entries, Template:cardinalbox/doc has an explanation on how to use them. Thanks --Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 22:43, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Carolina wren


text:
דמוקרטיה

Etymology

 * From, from , from.

Noun

 * 1)  Democracy: rule by the people, as a form of government.
 * 2)  A democracy: a state, or similar entity, whose government takes the form of rule by the people.

title: דמוקרטיה


text: Category:he:Forms of government

title: Category:he:Forms of government


text:
დემოკრატია

Noun

 * 1) democracy
 * 2) democracy, a democratic state

title: დემოკრატია


text: Category:ka:Forms of government

title: Category:ka:Forms of government


text:
isoratana

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)   to write to X using Y i.e., a pen, pencil, etc.
 * 2) to use Y to spot/colour/print X

title: isoratana


text:
ամիճ

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  a certain dainty dish containing game meat

Etymology
A borrowing. Compare 🇨🇬 and see it for more.

Noun

 * 1) a certain dainty dish containing game meat

title: ամիճ


text:
voasoratra

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to write X to completion, to completely write X
 * 2)  to be written to completion by someone

title: voasoratra


text: harves

title: harves


text: harvens

title: harvens


text: harvers

title: harvers


text: harvernes

title: harvernes


text: gildingens

title: gildingens


text: gildinges

title: gildinges


text: gildingers

title: gildingers


text: gildingernes

title: gildingernes


text: gildingenes

title: gildingenes


text:
User talk:Tdelangre

Liking myself to a cunning linquist, I have a deep interest in many kinds of reference books. Speaking, reading and writing in my mother tongue: English and also fairly fluent in French and Spanish, this year I have immersed myself in German and good dark chocolate.

Hello
I was watching Recent Changes and saw the entry, "absquataceous", that you created and was curious. Where did you find the word? It does not meet our criteria for inclusion, as a Google search brings up nothing. L☺g☺maniac chat? 22:29, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

title: User talk:Tdelangre


text: atlets

title: atlets


text: atletens

title: atletens


text: atleters

title: atleters


text: atleternes

title: atleternes


text: bjældens

title: bjældens


text: bjældes

title: bjældes


text: bjælders

title: bjælders


text: bjældernes

title: bjældernes


text: kæphesten

title: kæphesten


text: kæpheste

title: kæpheste


text: kæphestene

title: kæphestene


text: kæphests

title: kæphests


text: kæphestens

title: kæphestens


text: kæphestes

title: kæphestes


text: kæphestenes

title: kæphestenes


text: vandhunds

title: vandhunds


text: vandhundens

title: vandhundens


text: vandhundes

title: vandhundes


text: vandhundenes

title: vandhundenes


text: landet

title: landet


text: landene

title: landene


text: landets

title: landets


text: landes

title: landes


text: landenes

title: landenes


text:
User talk:69.171.163.202

Hello, I saw the entry gucchini you created. Where did you find the word, and what do you think it means? Adding nonsense entries is frowned upon here, and if you continue to do so you will be blocked. L☺g☺maniac chat? 22:34, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

title: User talk:69.171.163.202


text: landede

title: landede


text:
User talk:JamesSpray

L☺g☺maniac chat? 22:39, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

title: User talk:JamesSpray


text:
ամուլ

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) sterile, barren, unable to produce offspring
 * 2)  barren, not fertile
 * 3)  fruitless, vain, futile, unsuccessful

Etymology
From, which is cognate with  and 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) sterile, childless
 * 2) barren

title: ամուլ


text:
dziewczę

Etymology
From. Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1)  girl

title: dziewczę


text: månes

title: månes


text: månens

title: månens


text: dziewczęta

title: dziewczęta


text: måners

title: måners


text: månernes

title: månernes


text:
User talk:TomSnark

You may also find some helpful information in About Hungarian. --Panda10 22:57, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

title: User talk:TomSnark


text: Category:sk:Light

title: Category:sk:Light


text: Category:hi:Light

title: Category:hi:Light


text: Category:hi:Vision

title: Category:hi:Vision


text: Category:sk:Energy

title: Category:sk:Energy


text: Category:sk:Vision

title: Category:sk:Vision


text: Category:hi:Senses

title: Category:hi:Senses


text: Category:sk:Senses

title: Category:sk:Senses


text: Category:sk:Physiology

title: Category:sk:Physiology


text:
lalana

Etymology 1
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) A road, path

Etymology 2
From.

Noun

 * 1) A law, the law

title: lalana


text:
andalana

Etymology
From an- (formative affix) +.

Verb

 * 1) to arrange in rows, in order, etc.
 * 2) to do gradually

title: andalana


text:
alalana

Etymology
From +.

Noun

 * 1) A messenger, intermediary

Verb

 * 1) to send via messenger
 * 2) to convey
 * 3) to deliver
 * 4) to intermediate

title: alalana


text:
Talk:periapts

I need help. I see that periapts is the plural for the noun,periapt, but I would like to know about the word periaptor. and how it is related to periapts, the word periaptor is used for an animals name and I would like to know what it means, thanks.

title: Talk:periapts


text:
User talk:69.123.128.35

Hi there! I have undone the recent change you made to the translation table at copycat. The translation table gloss should match the definition, and as "feline who imitates another feline" is not the definition provided for "copycat", neither should it be in the translations. Thanks and hope you keep contributing! L☺g☺maniac chat? 00:05, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

title: User talk:69.123.128.35


text: serpinas

title: serpinas


text: subtilisinas

title: subtilisinas


text: tiorredoxinas

title: tiorredoxinas


text: transcriptasas

title: transcriptasas


text: ureasas

title: ureasas


text: zimasas

title: zimasas


text: zimógenos

title: zimógenos


text: francófila

title: francófila


text: francófilos

title: francófilos


text: francófilas

title: francófilas


text: acetiltransferasas

title: acetiltransferasas


text: aldolasas

title: aldolasas


text:
rockband

Noun

 * 1)  A rock formation that encircles a hill or mountain, separating other kinds of terrain that are above and below it.
 * 2)  band that plays rock music.
 * 1)  band that plays rock music.
 * 1)  band that plays rock music.
 * 1)  band that plays rock music.

Etymology
Borrowed from. Equivalent to.

title: rockband


text: amidofosforribosiltransferasas

title: amidofosforribosiltransferasas


text: rockbands

title: rockbands


text: aminometiltransferasas

title: aminometiltransferasas


text: AUM

title: AUM


text: aminotransferasas

title: aminotransferasas


text: apoenzimas

title: apoenzimas


text: aromatasas

title: aromatasas


text: butirilcolinesterasas

title: butirilcolinesterasas


text: caspasas

title: caspasas


text: cinasas

title: cinasas


text: deshidrogenasas

title: deshidrogenasas


text:
User talk:128.143.197.182

Hi. I have undone the edit you made to language. Please do not insert language names into the translation section without a translation into that language. Thanks! L☺g☺maniac chat? 00:45, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

title: User talk:128.143.197.182


text: neuraminidasas

title: neuraminidasas


text: oxidasas

title: oxidasas


text: palmitoiltransferasas

title: palmitoiltransferasas


text: peroxidasas

title: peroxidasas


text: plasminógenos

title: plasminógenos


text: nummers

title: nummers


text: nummertje

title: nummertje


text: nummertjes

title: nummertjes


text: primasas

title: primasas


text: quimotripsinas

title: quimotripsinas


text: quinasas

title: quinasas


text: reninas

title: reninas


text: sacarasas

title: sacarasas


text: succiniltransferasas

title: succiniltransferasas


text: tautomerasas

title: tautomerasas


text: telomerasas

title: telomerasas


text: telómeros

title: telómeros


text: richte op

title: richte op


text: tirosinasas

title: tirosinasas


text: topoisomerasas

title: topoisomerasas


text: oprichte

title: oprichte


text: transaminasas

title: transaminasas


text: transferasas

title: transferasas


text: verkope

title: verkope


text: transglutaminasas

title: transglutaminasas


text: glutaminasas

title: glutaminasas


text: transhidrogenasas

title: transhidrogenasas


text: transpeptidasas

title: transpeptidasas


text: trehalasas

title: trehalasas


text:
trombinas

Noun

 * 1)  thrombin

title: trombinas


text: adiponectinas

title: adiponectinas


text: albúminas

title: albúminas