text: Category:Serbo-Croatian terms suffixed with -stvo

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text: Category:Serbo-Croatian terms suffixed with -ство


text:
milovník

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) lover a person who loves something
 * 2)  lover the character of a lover or an actor for such roles
 * 1)  lover the character of a lover or an actor for such roles

title: milovník


text:
milovnice

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) female lover a person who loves something

title: milovnice


text:
incommunicability

Noun

 * 1) The quality or state of being incommunicable.

title: incommunicability


text:
ronron

Noun

 * 1) a purr purring noise

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) a purr purring noise

title: ronron


text: ronrons

title: ronrons


text: ronronnements

title: ronronnements


text:
infekční

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) infectious, contagious, infective, communicable

title: infekční


text:
proper acceleration

Noun

 * 1)  The acceleration felt by an object, as opposed to the coordinate acceleration. For example the acceleration of an object at the surface of the Earth is 9.81 m/s2 upwards, but has no coordinate acceleration. The proper acceleration of an object is Lorentz invariant.

title: proper acceleration


text:
Lorentz invariant

Noun

 * 1)  A quantity that does not change due to a Lorentz transformation; a quantity that is independent of the inertial frame.

title: Lorentz invariant


text:
abannatio

Etymology
From +  or from  +, of  origin.

Noun

 * 1)  The act of banishing, banishment.

title: abannatio


text:
bitfield

Noun

 * 1)  A sequence of bits (binary digits) which can be toggled individually as flags.

Translations

 * German: Bitfeld
 * Polish: pole bitowe

title: bitfield


text: bitfields

title: bitfields


text:
zříci

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to forgo

title: zříci


text: zříct

title: zříct


text:
гњев

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) wrath, fury, anger

title: гњев


text: Category:os:Cities

title: Category:os:Cities


text: nefs

title: nefs


text:
oyunbaz

Etymology
From, from +.

Noun

 * 1) gambler
 * 2) trickster, cheat, slyboots

title: oyunbaz


text:
օյինբազ

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  clown, joker
 * 2)  ropewalker
 * 3)  prankster, trickster

title: օյինբազ


text:
օյինբազություն

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  trickery
 * 2)  buffoonery

title: օյինբազություն


text: Tskhinval

title: Tskhinval


text: Sukhum

title: Sukhum


text:
Сухуми

Etymology
.

title: Сухуми


text:
танакӏ

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) ink

title: танакӏ


text:
тӏогъ

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) line

title: тӏогъ


text:
Citations:scream

 * noun

 * verb

title: Citations:scream


text:
tayfa

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) tribe

Etymology
From. .

Noun

 * 1) ship crew
 * 2) hangers-on, fawning followers.
 * 3) a worker who harvests olive; olive harvester.
 * 4) gang, bunch; troop, band

title: tayfa


text:
թայֆա

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1)  gang, clique, bunch of people

title: թայֆա


text: bloedzuigers

title: bloedzuigers


text: zuigers

title: zuigers


text: bloempotten

title: bloempotten


text: nervöser

title: nervöser


text:
ტოლი

Etymology 1
Connected with. In view of latter's likely native origin, probably borrowed from it. .

Adjective

 * 1) equal

Noun

 * 1) one's equal (in age, in volume, etc.) person; one's match
 * 2)  friend
 * 3)  wife

Etymology 2
.

Noun

 * 1) roofing felt (roofing and waterproofing material made by impregnating roofing paper with coal tar or shale oil products)

title: ტოლი


text: bloedworsten

title: bloedworsten


text: nervösesten

title: nervösesten


text:
microangiografia

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  microangiography

title: microangiografia


text:
տողադարձ

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) word division, hyphenation

title: տողադարձ


text:
cardioangiografia

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  cardioangiography, angiocardiography

title: cardioangiografia


text:
blutwurst

Etymology
Borrowed from, from +.

Noun

 * 1)  A blood sausage, blood pudding

Translations

 * Dutch: ,
 * Polish:

title: blutwurst


text: տաւն

title: տաւն


text:
ecocardiografia

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  echocardiography

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  echocardiography

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  echocardiography

title: ecocardiografia


text:
verstijven

Etymology
From, or.

Verb

 * 1) to stiffen, to become stiff, to freeze

title: verstijven


text:
ecocardiografo

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  echocardiograph

title: ecocardiografo


text: Oekraïners

title: Oekraïners


text:
cardiografo

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  cardiograph

title: cardiografo


text: dorpelingen

title: dorpelingen


text:
elettrocardiografo

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  electrocardiograph

title: elettrocardiografo


text:
tafn

Etymology
From, ultimately from the root. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬,.

Noun

 * 1) sacrifice
 * 2)  bloody prey

title: tafn


text:
cardiogramma

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  cardiogram

title: cardiogramma


text:
User talk:Peleg

I would rather...
...have you ask some of our contributors who are proficent in German rather than create thousands of incorrect entries. I deleted verlaufen as there was no way I could salvage that entry. -- Prince Kassad 19:50, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi. First of all, I am not "creating thousands of incorrect entries". I am working hard on each one of these, and I have created less than 20 in the last month.
 * Secondly, I would really want to consult German proficient contributors. I would like them to look at each entry I have created and have their say. But: how do I do that? Is there a common way of doing it?
 * Thirdly, can you say what was wrong with verlaufen? I had studied that word in class (German class), and rechecked it here: . -- Peleg 19:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems to me you have no idea how to use a dictionary. In the example you cited, the first word is usually the word the English translation refers to, in your case vorbeigehen. The other words listed are just more or less related synonyms. In your example, there are only two translations that are actually any good in my opinion: to trend and the reflexive sense to get lost. Most admins would block you now for copying from dictionaries, but I'll be nice for now. Try to follow these steps in the future. Also, Category:User de-N lists people whose mother language is German if you ever have a question. You can also ask me (click on my username and then go to the talk page). -- Prince Kassad 20:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok. I think you're a bit harsh (a. I did not copy from a dictionary, just rechecked something I knew, and b. the saying "you have no idea how to use a dictionary" is exaggerated), but I can except your criticism. I will consult you or other de-N users in the future, I promise. Thanks, Peleg 20:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Templates
Please note that templates here are always written in English, that is English titles and words unless that is not possible. I'm probably going to have to delete your most recent ones, as we say "something" in English, not "etwas" (et al.) Mglovesfun (talk) 14:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * But in any good German-English dictionary you find etw./jmdn. etc. in most of the definitions. I believe that this is a good thing to have. Please open it to discussion before you delete. Peleg 14:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Kindly please refrain from creating any more abbreviation templates until the discussion here has ended. Thanks. --Vahagn Petrosyan 15:38, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * They were created as part of the discussion there. Peleg 15:43, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

User: page in German categories
Hi, because of the examples on your user page, the User: page itself is in the categories German nouns and German adjectives. Could you change that without breaking your examples? Thanks. Mutante 18:31, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for making me aware of this. Peleg 08:17, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Maths terms
Good luck with your project. I have recently been adding several maths terms (from farming the maths section of ) but, as I only have an undergraduate level of maths, I find it very difficult to translate strings of symbols into English-language sentences. Cheers. SemperBlotto 17:55, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * p.s. As an example - I haven't got a clue how to define orthosymplectic !

 * Thanks! You may help with things you do have a clue about :) Peleg 22:49, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Math Lexicon
I would like to help with your Math Lexicon by providing Norwegian terms. Maybe even Swedish and Danish eventually. Bleakgh (talk) 19:11, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That would be great. Peleg (talk) 03:47, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Peleg


text:
ecocardiogramma

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  echocardiogram

title: ecocardiogramma


text:
bukken

Etymology
From, also , from , from , related to.

Verb

 * 1)  to duck, to bend down

title: bukken


text:
cardiografico

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  cardiographic

title: cardiografico


text:
eliminovat

Verb

 * 1) to eliminate to completely destroy something so that it no longer exists

title: eliminovat


text:
eliminace

Noun

 * 1) elimination the act of eliminating

title: eliminace


text:
odstranění

Noun

 * 1) removal the process of moving, or the fact of being removed
 * 2) elimination the act of eliminating
 * 1) elimination the act of eliminating

title: odstranění


text:
woesteling

Etymology 1
From.

Noun

 * 1) A barbaric, savage ruffian, gross boor
 * 2) A brute, crude and dangerous person
 * 3) A savage and indomitable beast
 * Hondsdolheid verandert de liefste huisdieren in woestelingen
 * Rabies turns the sweetest pets into brutal beasts

Noun

 * 1) A devastation, destruction

title: woesteling


text:
woestelingen

Noun

 * 1)  (all senses and etymologies)

title: woestelingen


text:
cardiosclerosi

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  cardiosclerosis

title: cardiosclerosi


text: woestelingetje

title: woestelingetje


text:
toekijken

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to look on, to watch expecting something to occur

title: toekijken


text:
cardiospasmo

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  cardiospasm

title: cardiospasmo


text:
cardiostimolatore

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  pacemaker

title: cardiostimolatore


text:
cardiotoracico

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  cardiothoracic

title: cardiotoracico


text:
cardioversione

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  cardioversion

title: cardioversione


text:
Tischnachbar

Noun

 * 1) a person at a neighboring table

title: Tischnachbar


text: Template:fi-conj-lähteä

title: Template:fi-conj-lähteä


text:
արար

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  act
 * 1)  act

Etymology
From, the aorist stem of.

Noun

 * 1) action, fact, deed, work
 * 2) agriculture
 * 3) fruit, produce, yield, crop
 * 4) possessions, resources, wealth, property
 * 1) possessions, resources, wealth, property

title: արար


text:
Appendix:Finnish conjugation/lähteä

The word only; qualitative consonant gradation.

Conjugation is as per type 58 (laskea), except for an alternate form of the personal positive past tense.

List
See Finnish lähteä-type verbs.

title: Appendix:Finnish conjugation/lähteä


text:
kručení

Noun

 * 1) grumble, growl the sound made by a hungry stomach

title: kručení


text:
oyunculuk

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) profession of a player
 * 2) profession of an actress or actor
 * 3) state of being player
 * 4) state of being actress or actor
 * 5) acting

title: oyunculuk


text:
User:Millosh

 * me@Meta
 * me@sh.wikt

title: User:Millosh


text: Category:Old Armenian terms suffixed with -ած


text:
legalizer

Noun

 * 1) That which makes legal.
 * 2)  A tool that takes invalid input and creates valid output, such as for chip placement to move digital standard cell gates into legal positions.

title: legalizer


text:
craye

Etymology
(apparently unrelated to ).

Noun

 * 1) A type of vessel, which was notably used in Denmark and Sweden

Translations

 * Dutch:
 * French:

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1)  crow

title: craye


text: crayes

title: crayes


text: kippevel

title: kippevel


text:
ψωμάδικο

Etymology
From

Noun

 * 1) bakery, baker's shop

title: ψωμάδικο


text:
ախտարար

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) morbific

Adjective

 * 1) morbific

title: ախտարար


text:
արարք

Etymology
From, plural of.

Noun

 * 1) action; act, deed

title: արարք


text:
արարիչ

Etymology
From ; see it for more.

Noun

 * 1) creator, maker
 * 2)  God, Creator

Etymology
From, the aorist stem of ,.

Noun

 * 1) creator
 * 2) author

title: արարիչ


text:
gesmoord

Adjective

 * 1) dull, obtuse, muffled
 * Haar schreeuw werd gesmoord door het beddegoed

title: gesmoord


text:
beddegoed

Etymology
Compound of.

Noun

 * : bedding sheets, blankets etc.

title: beddegoed


text: Category:Old Armenian terms suffixed with -իչ


text:
тигрица

Noun

 * : female tiger, tigress

Noun

 * 1) tigress

Noun

 * : female tiger, tigress

Noun

 * 1) tigress

title: тигрица


text:
туркиня

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * : female Turk, Turkish woman

title: туркиня


text:
Leitzahl

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) guide number

title: Leitzahl


text:
User talk:Vahagn Petrosyan

Your favourite Wiktionarians
Who are your favourite Wiktionarians? I mean the ones whose work you admire the most (in quality, quantity, etc.). PUC – 16:00, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

 * I won't name names, but these are the people working on languages of Oikumene (Western Asia, Europe, North Africa), preferably from the historical perspective. I especially appreciate colleagues with common sense, good faith and sense of humor. Vahag (talk) 18:32, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Your favourite scholars
Who's your favourite Western Armenian scholar (meaning scholar who studies Armenian and comes from the West, not scholar who studies Western Armenian)? Hübschmann?

And who are the scholars whom you most admire in general? PUC – 10:42, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

 * It's Hübschmann. Honestly, not much progress has been made since his . Something happened after World War I: people are getting dumber and smaller everywhere. A footnote by a Hübschmann, Brockelmann or Nöldeke contains more scholarship than a whole book by a modern.
 * The scholar I admire most is of course Acharyan. His high-quality and vast output is equivalent to a century's work of several universities combined. I don't know how it is humanly possible to do what he did. No race has an etymological dictionary comparable to . Vahag (talk) 14:48, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

ձի
I wanted to let the readers know, that the references are real. Could they go under the header "Further reading" instead? -- Apisite (talk) 10:36, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

 * What do you mean "the references are real"? Vahag (talk) 10:42, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

 * The reference templates look more fitting for the header "Further reading" than the "References" one in the context of the entry; if any reader were to enter any of the links, then he (or she) may figure out where the word is on the page. --Apisite (talk) 12:06, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

 * I don't want you to add references to Armenian entries which you have not personally read and understood. Vahag (talk) 15:46, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

 * I forgot to say, that I saw the links in the three references. --Apisite (talk) 19:19, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Armeno-Turkish
Thanks for contributing by adding Armeno-Turkish spellings and even quotes, sources about it are almost nonexistent online. Rodrigo5260 (talk) 01:45, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

 * I do it to reveal forms which are not attested by the defective Arabic script. It is often these forms that explain the shape of the borrowings in other languages. Vahag (talk) 08:12, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delayed reply, but could you give me some examples? Rodrigo5260 (talk) 13:20, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I have given some examples at Wiktionary_talk:About_Ottoman_Turkish, and Talk:արտալայ. Vahag (talk) 15:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you 👍. Rodrigo5260 (talk) 16:00, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Tsolak
Hi Vahagn. Unfortunately there is no way to distinguish between the Armenian name and the Turkish surname in Greek script. Τhe transcription to Greek is the same word, "Τσολάκ" (I was about to create the Greek Wikt article, pointing the two different etymologies.) So, in Greek, Ցոլակյան (Tsolakian, Цолакян) and Չոլաքյան (Cholakian, Чолакян) is the same word, "Τσολακιάν". So, please, revert your revertion to my edit. Regards, —— Chalk19 (talk) 06:49, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

 * we don't allow theoretical transliterations. A name must be attested. Do you have attestations for referring to an Armenian person ? My search finds only people with nine-eleveny names like Μουσταφά, Εμρέ, Ορχάν who can't be Armenian. Note that  is not a very popular name in Armenian to begin with, and that among Greece and Cyprus Armenians it would mostly be pronounced as /t͡sʰɔˈlɑɡ/ = Τσολάγκ, not Τσολάκ. Vahag (talk) 07:55, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Tsolakian / Цолакян and Cholakian / Чолакян are "attested" forms. Both in Greek are transl. as "Τσολακιάν" (Tsolakian). It's not a matter of pronounciation ( even in this case there is not way in Greek script to note the difference between Ts-Ц and Ch-Ч ) but of transliteration. Like with Russian names and surnames, for example. —— Chalk19 (talk) 08:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You don't understand. See WT:CFI and give me three cites in Greek for and  where it refers to Armenian persons named  and . Vahag (talk) 08:16, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * "Τσoλακιάν" is a Greek surname ( an example from armenianportal.gr, ref. to Παύλος Τσολακιάν as president of the Armenian National Committee of Greece ) from Armenians who found refuge in Grecce after fleeing the Ottoman Empire and Turkey, because of the Genocide and the persecusion by the Turks. There is no way to know, or tell who of those "Τσολακιάν"s were Tsolakian / Цолакян or Cholakian / Чолакян. BUT even this were possible, there is NO WAY to transliterate these names to Greek, to the Greek alphabet, showing the diff. bt. Ts/Ц and Ch/Ч. —— Chalk19 (talk) 09:55, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * PS. So, we have Παύλος Τσολακιάν (= Pavlos Tsolakian); and Τσολακιάν is Τσολάκ (Tsolak) + the suffix -ιάν (-ian) (-յան). ——Chalk19
 * There is a way to know that. We know from Armenian-script sources that the president's name is . We also know that is an Eastern Armenian surname, so unlikely to be found in Greece which is populated by Western Armenians, among whom  is very common. Therefore, you can create, but you should not mention it in unrelated , . --Vahag (talk) 10:57, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. Btw, since we had the above talk, let me take advantage of knowledge in Armenian. Can you please tell me if the Armenian male given names Avet, Avetik, Avetis, and Avedis are related to each other? And if so, do their meaning is similar to the Greek name Ευάγγελος (der. from ευαγγέλιο = gospel), the one that brings good news? Thanks in advance. —— Chalk19 (talk) 12:06, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * See, , . Means "good news". Vahag (talk) 20:00, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Help needed
Hi Vahag ! I wonder if you can help me with the following matter that troubles me. In Greek, besides the Armenian-Greek name "Σιμονιάν" (Սիմոնյան) there is also the similar (?) "Σιμονακιάν" (Simonakyan), for which I cannot find any info, neither on Tigran Avetisyan's book (not listed there), nor on the internet. Have you any suggestions ? Might be "Simonak" another form or a dimunitive of Սիմոն ? I see on the net that there is a surmane "Simonak", but it's just a "simplified" form in latin script for the Slovakian "Šimoňák" -no relation to anything Armenian. Thanks in andvance for your time and trouble. Regards. Chalk19 (talk) 10:10, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

 * Hello, . Neither a surname nor a diminutive given name  exist in Armenian. It looks like someone artificially Armenized Greek  or, which are formed with . Vahag (talk) 10:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for the suggestion. It's possible, I will search it further in that direction. If so, then it is a "reborrowed" surname, following the pattern: original Greek family name > "armenised" Greek > "back" as a Greek version of the "armenised". In Greek we have no few cases of "reborrowed" surnames from Russian, from Greeks who moved from the Ottoman Empire to the Russian Empire ( for the most part during the 19th cent. as merchants, esp. in places like Odessa, Crimea and Saint Petersburg ), had their names "russianised", and when they came back to Greece (most of them after the October Revolution) they had their Russian family names transcribed in Greek. Thanks again ! Chalk19 (talk) 11:40, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Surnames are difficult. Some go through several languages, being adapted and reshaped along the way. Look at, a nice Westoid surname at first sight, but in reality an Anglicization of . Vahag (talk) 11:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know, it can be tricky sometimes. It is true with placenames, too; "re-borrowing" was a common practice in multi-national states as the Ottoman and the Russian Empires were. Chalk19 (talk) 12:29, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Аладжов
Hello Vahag ! I came across this Bulgarian family name while dealing with the Russian-Armenian surname Аладжян at el/Wikt. Is it possibly of Armenian origin, a "Bulgarianised" form of the Armenian Հալաջյան or Ալաջյան ? Chalk19 (talk) 15:26, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

 * It is a Bulgarian surname from an appellative of Turkish origin. The same appellative underlies the Armenian surnames you mentioned. There are many common Ottoman Turkish borrowings in Bulgarian and Armenian.
 * The best way to find out if a surname is Armenian is searching it on Google Images. You should find beautiful big-nosed creatures with intelligent eyes. Look at these mugs, they are obviously not Armenian. Vahag (talk) 18:18, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * SCongratulate.svg ! Chalk19 (talk) 19:36, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Հայրապետյան
Hello Vahag ! Does the form Խայրապետյա actually exist in Armenian as a variant, or it's a transliteration to Armenian from a Latin transliteration (like "Khayraretyan") of the Armenian "Հայրապետյան" ? Chalk19 (talk) 10:19, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

 * Of course not. Those are inorganic search results from automatically generated websites, machine-translated from Russian. You can use www.anun.am to find real Armenian surnames. It is based on the voters register of Armenia. Vahag (talk) 10:31, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Европа, Kumyk
Thanks for adding the exact pages of the definition in References, as I do not have access to the physical copy of the dictionary. Could you do the same with «европеец» and европалы? Thanks in advance. Insaneguy1083 (talk) 23:22, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

 * Sure, but know that you can find the scanned pdfs of these dictionaries in shadow libraries yourself. Vahag (talk) 10:02, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

North Kurdish (deletion of silav)
Hello there. I am adding it to another page called سڵاو, which has other dialects of the Kurdish language, this word is co-rooted with them. Why are you deleting without reading the reason! Amiersoi (talk) 17:23, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

 * I left a message on your talk page. Vahag (talk) 17:24, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Byzantine Greek as Ancient Greek
Sorry about that edit. I guess it's always a bit tricky sorting Byzantine Greek into either ancient or modern, or its own separate category, especially since it spanned such a long time, and was rather different phonetically in the end period than the beginning a millennium earlier. For example the way β and ύ are pronounced in words coming from Latin can be a bit problematic. But I'm not here to contest the official Wiktionary policy on it. I guess they are all going to be part of the "Ancient Greek" language, along with Koine. Thanks. Word dewd544 (talk) 19:33, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

 * It's not your fault No one knows how to handle Middle periods of languages properly. Vahag (talk) 18:33, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Altiparmak
Hi again. Is it possible this surname, besides deriving from the Turkish "Altıparmak" that is also a shortened form of the (Turkish-)Armenian "Altiparmakian" ? Chalk19 (talk) 10:23, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

 * that is theoretically possible. In the diaspora, -yan is often dropped to blend in and for euphony. Vaghinak Aznavuryan may become Charles Aznavour, Andranik Sargysan may become Andy Serkis. In Turkey -yan is dropped, not to be identified as an Armenian and be beheaded. You have to check the history of each person. To distinguish a Turk Altıparmak from a shortened Armenian Altiparmakian check the first name, the face and especially the profession. Vahag (talk) 16:33, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Btw, is the trad. orthography spelling of Aliparmakyan Ալթըփարմաքեան ? Does the "reformed" version Ալթիպարմակյան listed by Avetisian (p. 8a) really exist ? And what about  Ալտիբարմակյան ? Is that one related to the Russian Алтыбармакян ? Chalk19 (talk) 12:22, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I have collected all the real forms at . *Ալթիպարմակյան and *Ալտիբարմակյան are ghost forms, created by retranscribing foreign spellings into Armenian. Vahag (talk) 13:56, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Nice work, Vahag ! If you don't mind take a look of my editing @ el:Αλτιπαρμακιάν and el:Αλτιπαρμάκ. Τhe latter was found to both Muslim (people of Turkish origin) and Christians living in Greece, so there are two etymology sections in the article. Can "Αλτιπαρμάκ" be added as der. of the Greek "Αλτιπαρμακιάν" in the Ալթըփարմաքյան article with noting that it may be from Turkish, as well ? Chalk19 (talk) 09:52, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The first one looks good. The second one: being Christian is not sufficient for assuming Armenian origin. Could be an Anatolian Greek or a Turk who found the light. What are some of the first names of Christian Altiparmaks? Vahag (talk) 12:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Α Turk who found the light ! Ha, ha, very good, indeed ! Well, the Christian names I have seen are Tatiana (Russian  ?) and Pavlos (Paul). Cannot tell for sure if these people are of Armenian origin, even partly. Many Greek-Armenians of the younger generations have "Greek" names, like Pavlos Tsolakian, who was (probably still is) president of the Armenian National Committee of Greece. That's  why in the article is stated Armenian origin as a possibility, not a fact. Chalk19 (talk) 13:10, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Pavlos Tsolakian is attested in Armenian sources. These people are not. There is no reason to assume Armenian origin for any Greek Αλτιπαρμάκ's. Until there is definite proof, I see no benefit in saying "possibly of Armenian origin". Vahag (talk) 13:17, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Researching further the subject I found that this was a surname among the Greeks of Constantinople (at least). Chalk19 (talk) 14:44, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Also among Skopje Slavs Vahag (talk) 16:13, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, again. One more thing. In USA there is a surname "Vetsmatyan" (Վեցմատյան ?). Is it a "real" Armenian surname, or just a translation to Armenian of "Ալթըփարմաքյան" ? Chalk19 (talk) 20:22, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It is certainly a translation (a calque) of Ալթըփարմաքյան. Vahag (talk) 20:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Etymology for Western Armenian -կոր
What possible sources could be consulted to understand the etymology, the historical cause for adoption and usage of -կոր in W.Armenian 185.217.185.10 20:39, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

 * See with references and also this article. I haven't evaluated the evidence myself, so all of this is provisional. Vahag (talk) 21:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Armeno-Turkish as a side project?
what would you think of adding armenian-alphabet forms for ottoman turkish lemmata? asking you because you seem to be rather active in the o.t. sphere here. how would this be gone about? presumably a separate-language entry for each letter would need to be added, like ե being /j/ etc., but would these essentially be like վէճհ - alternative spelling of وجه? RagingPichu (talk) 19:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

 * You can look at how I handled the entries in Category:Ottoman Turkish terms in Armenian script. got a full entry in Armenian script because the Arabic spelling is not attested. Vahag (talk) 20:15, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Boring words
See for example, which originated as a wanderword pre-Latin and subsequently lost all the technical meanings (originally “reed or quill for writing”, etc.) that caused it to spread horizontally in the first place. Other cases like retain some of the technical meanings but have shifted to prioritizing the more mundane ones. Granted, a shared family of substrata is more likely, but frowned upon to suggest. — 69.120.69.23 20:10, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

 * I disagree that and  are wanderwords. Those are normal borrowings into Latin and Albanian from the neighboring Greek. As for substrate, the Leidenite "Mediterranean-Pontic" substratum is a myth, at least for the Armenian. Vahag (talk) 20:31, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Persian قارچ
Hi, take a look at Asatrian, G. (2020). Classical New Persian samārō/ūγ ‘mushroom.’ Iran & the Caucasus, 24(4), 419–422. It gives a n etymology for the word قارچ (mushroom) and probably for کپک (mold). What do you think? Kamran.nef (talk) 00:07, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Hi. I have no opinion. Persian etymologies are not my specialty. Vahag (talk) 10:57, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It looks specific enough that some of it must be true. Look, you are also a Wiktionary editor now. You could try copying over the code of one of the reference templates Vahagn or I have made to make a reference template from this Garnik Asatrian piece and augment yourself. Since we don’t have an opinion, there can’t be much wrong content-wise. I’ll tell you next why I am not going to do it myself. Fay Freak (talk) 16:15, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you to both of you. I'll try it then. Kamran.nef (talk) 18:41, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

j / z
Do you know any (Old) Armenian example with dz/z(before vowels/between vowels) < PIE g'h alteration? ПростаРечь (talk) 23:32, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * gives, as in , , . But between vowels it gives , as in , . Vahag (talk) 11:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, does (Old) Armenian have such alteration within one lemma / in compounds? ПростаРечь ПростаРечь (talk) 05:17, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I can't think of any such cases. Vahag (talk) 11:13, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Partially unknown vs. entirely unknown
Fair enough since you edited the etymology yourself but, if you don't want to follow behind other users 'tidying up' all the time, it's better that you post the specific policy that actually agrees with you instead of your personal feelings about what you'd like to see in particular categories. The template itself doesn't provide any such guidance and there's nothing immediately obvious at WT:..., Wiktionary:..., WT:Etymology, etc. That said, people frequently get an informal consensus going in a discussion somewhere and then forget to post it as a general rule. Just link to it when you find it. — LlywelynII  20:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

 * There is no policy, there is common sense. Why do we have Category:Ottoman Turkish terms with unknown etymologies? To gather words which the etymologysts of that language could not solve. It is a beckoning mystery, a titillating challenge. I have added the category to my watchlist and try to solve the etymologies myself. Then you add to it. People working on Turkish don't care that 's pre-Roman etymology happens to be uknown. Vahag (talk) 21:03, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Etymology of mıcır
Hi Vahag, could I ask for some help with the etymology of ? TDK and Vikisözlük only give that the origin is Armenian, and you were the foremost specialist who'd be able to assist that came to my mind. Thank you in advance, A. T. Galenitis (talk) 20:57, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

 * I have added the relevant etymon. Vahag (talk) 17:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated, thank you for this! —A. T. Galenitis (talk) 02:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the misreading of Acharian on, mea culpa! If it is of any help for when you have the time to look further into this, the DSMG entry for the related gives a transcription of a supposed Persian etymon "muzh" (for which I could not find anything further). —A. T. Galenitis (talk) 16:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No problem, thanks for adding to the comparison. Armenology was not aware of it. A Persian origin for a word with the very un-Persian phoneme ծ = [t͡s] is unlikely. I think  is somehow related to . Their barbaric shapes point to Kartvelian languages. I will be able to review the literature in about two months. Vahag (talk) 17:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Ծօլա
Ամոթից չէր, ասի ծօլա էջում կգրեմ փոխառություն ա ։D Revolution Saga (talk) 17:26, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

 * Դե գրի, թող խեղճ վրացիքի սիրտը մի քիչ հովանա։ Թե չէ ինչ ունեն-չունեն, ասում ենք հայերենից ա փոխառված։ Vahag (talk) 17:37, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Հա, ճիշտ ես։ Իմիջիայլոց, էն օրը գրաբարի դասախոսս ասում էր ծոն "մարդ աստծո"-ի կրճատումից ա առաջացել :D Revolution Saga (talk) 17:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Հա դե ժողովրդական ստուգաբանությունը նիկտո նե ատմենյալ։ Հրաչը փորձում ա դրա դեմ պայքարել, բայց ես հո գիտեմ որ մարդկանց մեծ մասը հավատալու ա նրան, ինչին հակված ա․ փաստերով չես կարա համոզես։ Vahag (talk) 17:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

partēz and Armenian consonant shift
Hello Vahagn, would the existence of պարտէզ (partēz) in Classical Armenian not imply that the Armenian consonant shift, in which anlaut *t > d, occured within a more recent time frame than that Beekes presupposes? According to him, voicing of stops after resonants (compare Arm. mard < *mr̥tós) were anterior to the lenition of PIE stops (*p, *t, *k > *ɸ, *θ, *χ) that took place during stage 10, also characteristic of this internal shift. In this case, how would you substantiate the chronology of phonological changes in the face of the etymology that is clearly derived from a much earlier stage of Iranian? Do you agree that the dating during which պարտէզ was borrowed into Armenian corresponds impeccably with Beekes' relative chronology where lenition followed consonant voicing. Or would you beg to differ? What do you think? Thank you in advance, Newroderick895 (talk) 23:04, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

 * I don't believe in the existence of Old Iranian or Mitanni Aryan borrowings in Armenian. should be from Middle Iranian *pardēz or similar, and its  should be explained by some process in the Middle Iranian donor or by analogical influence of some other word (perhaps of ?). So I would not look at  for establishing pre-historic Armenian sound laws. Vahag (talk) 10:53, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ? 😂 First time I heard about the extent of this topic and found this article, which was locked in 2008 for pointy editing. Per my findings for the city مرند (marand) northeast of Lake Urmia in Middle Iranian times however we had Indo-Aryans. Karabakh is India, so to speak 🇮🇳✊🏼💪🏾. Fay Freak (talk) 14:12, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Mitanni Aryan is invoked when the correspondence with the usual Middle Iranian loaner (Parthian, Middle Persian) is not quite regular. The other way to cheat is invoking the Eastern Iranian, supposedly brough to Armenia by the Arsacids, the ruling class of the Parthians (e.g. in ). Vahag (talk) 13:21, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

خواجه
You had just rollbacked at Special:Diff/78829501 my reversion of a potentially hoax etymology which is also unsourced. This etymology was added at Special:Diff/62922826 in 2021. I had mentioned it well in the edit summary. I have also noticed that the same was challenged at least thrice before, each time being reverted without any discussion on the contestation. Thank you. (Ping on reply) CX Zoom (talk) 21:01, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Vahagn didn’t need to write out any reasoning because you aren’t attentive enough to read, anyhow, and push preconceived value judgements. You mentioned nothing, just slandered a referenced derivation a hoax. Just read what’s actually written and then expand upon the why. Fay Freak (talk) 21:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The source is of course there (Asatrian). Asatrian's etymology was enriched with Middle Indic data by Samapriya Basu, whom I know as a user competent in Indo-Iranian matters. See his tweet about this word. Vahag (talk) 11:28, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * "possibly" and "not sourced" call for rfv-etym and (preferably) posting at the Etymology scriptorium, not amputation of possibly valid and useful content. While there are some cases where something is categorically impossible, such as Ancient Egyptian derivation from an American Indian language, or depends on theories that no one in the mainstream academic community takes seriously, such as Altaic- if you don't know it's wrong, challenge it, don't remove it. That way, if you're right it gets marked as questionable and eventually removed, and if you're mistaken you aren't responsible for removing valid information that might not be added back. Chuck Entz (talk) 13:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you everyone who replied to my concern. I will take care about such matters in the future, and sorry for unilaterally removing the content. (Ping on reply) CX Zoom (talk) 15:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Greek repatriated loanwords
Thank you for your attention to the Greek, here at your αντζούγια note. I am marking these with the Greek term, in anticipation and awaiting for a translation of the term and a Category-support from en.wikt. A proposed translation is repatriated loanword, literally 'counter-loan' that is: borrow BACK from a previous phase of grk. At one time they were marked {der|el|el}, (at the moment, I am cleaning up the red Category:Greek_twice-borrowed_terms). Other times, they were called reborrowings, but this is (like the doublets). The so-called at Greek bibliography αντιδάνεια, do not have a description at en.wikt, because they borrow-BACK from a different period of Greek, and not from el|el. Note: pre-2000, the term was used very loosely in some dictionaries, for combigning forms of classic compounds. For example, the markings αντιδ. of, also his etymologies at are totally revised at his , and applied in the strict sense of αντιδάνειο. They are applied correctly at. Ref: this PhD +abstract is nice, but in Greek, discusses also they hybridic and the debated ones. If you can help out, and create a special Cat. for this Greek 'borrow-back' thing, it would be great! Because i have no idea how to describe it and how to ask for it. Thank you! ‑‑Sarri.greek ♫ I 08:01, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

 * I have made a meme to describe what is going on in this and other cases. Please, don't force-feed everything you see in Greek dictionaries to English Wiktionary. Most of the custom features you request already exist on English Wiktionary. If they don't, then they are probably not interesting. Please work with the infrastructure we already have here. Vahag (talk) 06:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Template:desc tag= and
Hi, I notice you've been using the tag param in desc and maybe also the inline modifier in syn and ant. Both of these are changing to be lb and now that dialect tags have been unified with labels; the values of these parameters are handled just like labels in the lb template. Note that all the Armenian dialect tags have been moved to the Armenian label data module Module:labels/data/lang/hy and unified with what was there before, so they should all continue working. Benwing2 (talk) 20:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

 * Ok, thanks for letting me know. That is a useful development. Vahag (talk) 17:46, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Armenian left half ring
Hi.

What it looks like in any particular document isn't particularly relevant, since manuscripts and typesetting vary. Unicode defines this as a left half ring. If that's not appropriate, we should probably petition Unicode to correct it. I can do that if you provide the evidence.

This character was adopted in the oldest layers of Unicode, so we're probably not going to be able to find the evidence they used for it, to see if a mistake was made there. It was likely imported from some older encoding system without any additional evidence. If the Unicode character name is bad, we'll need to request an alias, as Unicode names can't be changed. But we can change the representative glyph we see on the Armenian character chart, so that it no longer looks like a ring. Meanwhile, I reverted your changes as they messed up the redirects and would leave our readers even more confused.

kwami (talk) 00:25, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

 * When you're reverted, especially with an edit that breaks Wiktionary, you need to discuss the issue, not just edit-war over it. kwami (talk) 06:13, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * What does this have to do with anything? The issue is whether we write Ottoman ayn and hamza in Armeno-Turkish as <ՙ> or <՚>? picked the first one, I am moving to the second one as the printed sources clearly use the Armenian apostrophe. For example here,  has the same symbol as the Armenian phrase  which uses the Armenian apostrophy. Vahag (talk) 10:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Then what does that have to do with <ՙ>? What is <ՙ> used for, if not for ayn and hamza?
 * To be clear, I don't object to you making whatever corrections you need to to the Armenian apostrophe entry. Where I have concerns is claiming that <ՙ> is the same as <՚>. The half ring needs a definition. I don't know what the proper definition is, and we need better sources than Unicode, but even if the character <ՙ> is completely spurious, we should provide that information to our readers. kwami (talk) 10:49, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know what <ՙ> is used for. I invented its usage for dialectal aspiration at Talk:ՙ. It was certainly not created for writing Armeno-Turkish ayn and hamza, because I invented writing Armeno-Turkish on the Internet for the first time in humanity's history only in 2023. Vahag (talk) 11:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You invented a script that was used by Pôzačean (1841) and others?
 * From this, it looks like it might be the Latin turned apostrophe adopted to Armenian script, but I'm just guessing. If that's the case, perhaps it should be redirected to that character rather than to the Semiticist half ring. kwami (talk) 11:11, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * There was no Unicode in Bozadjian's time. This is the first time we are writing Armeno-Turkish on a computer, and we need to choose wich Unicode character to use. Vahag (talk) 11:17, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * And to choose where we provide the statement about this ARMENIAN MODIFIER LETTER LEFT HALF RING being a ghost character. Fay Freak (talk) 11:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

 * Not at all in Armenian script, only in transcription. I understand they could have tried to make a distinction from the Semitist half ring in that the Semitist one represents a whole letter while the Armenian has the property of a modifier letter. But this gainsays the situation  of U+0559. From what Vahagn shows you about the apostrophe ՚, the encoding of an alleged Armenian half ring ՙ is a mistake, as the shape is generally closer to the former, so even if there are half rings with the same signification in Armenian script somewhere then they would have to be mere font variants. Accordingly, I find bold Do NOT use. You have more experience to find the official documents about it. Fay Freak (talk) 11:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, that clarifies things. I think we should probably redirect it per that document then. kwami (talk) 11:13, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

 * Vahagn found and referenced on our Wiktionary page the Unicode document admitting its non-use, a conclusion found by me a priori, while I was writing. Technically it should not have an Armenian, nor Ottoman, entry section. The question remains how we categorize the (demonstrated) encoding artifacts, which  might answer. I thought only about analogy to Category:Translingual ghost words, but surely editors of CJK designed something about it. Because as Kwamikagami says, we should provide that information to our readers orderly. Fay Freak (talk) 11:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Since Unicode says it should be replaced with U+02BB, I think that's where we should rd the character to. We can explain it there in a user note. I'll remove the glyph from our Unicode charts so it doesn't display as anything on that page. kwami (talk) 11:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * This is not without reason, but at the same time the intention of the encoding was aligned with that of Armenian apostrophe. Well it’s nonsense on the end and we redirect to one arbitrarily. Fay Freak (talk) 11:31, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I figured I just open the Wikipedia page on Japanese  and look up two, 墸 and 挧, and it looks like they are not handled well, being currently in RFV. There would have to be an analogy to, by which we sometimes link e.g. Appendix:English dictionary-only terms, however not specific to the Armenian language section, as the information could as well be on the Ottoman side: Unicode has encoded characters for scripts and not languages, so the character is language-section-neutral, not being seriously claimed or considered for any language—even Translingual, so I reckon we should put such a template in front of any L2 such as we do with , highlighting also a character’s technical garbage character. Fay Freak (talk) 11:31, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * We also need to replace <ՙ> with <ʻ> in the automated references. It looks like our automatic transliteration needs to be corrected. I'll leave that to someone who is familiar with it. I've moved the articles on the aspirated dialect consonants, and hopefully fixed Template:Armn-script.
 * At first I thought that a ghost-character article wasn't the best the to go, and that we should direct the reader to the character that they should be using instead. But maybe a ghost article would be clearer, as you say. It's not a big deal either way, as long as we make the correction available, but we should probably try to be consistent across WK on how we handle things like this. kwami (talk) 11:51, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Kwamikagami: why did you move and the other aspirated dialectal letters? The latest version of Unicode does not say U+0559 is deprecated. It says it is not used, and that  in Armenian transliteration U+02BB should be used instead of U+0559. We are not using U+0559 for Armenian transliteration. We are using it for dialectological notation, a usage unknown to Unicode. Vahag (talk) 12:25, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Huh? See the paragraphs above. Including your own claims, such as "I don't know what <ՙ> is used for. I invented its usage for dialectal aspiration at Talk:ՙ."
 * If you invented it, then we shouldn't claim that it's Armenian usage. Also, there are sources provided in the links above that the turned apostrophe is used for that function. kwami (talk) 19:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * BTW, in Unicode parlance, the word "deprecated" is used on the code charts to mean that there's something wrong with the character itself, e.g. that they have architectural or implementation problems. kwami (talk) 20:23, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I still don't see a problem in adopting an orphan symbol for something we need. It's not like Unicode recommends U+02BB for indicating aspiration in the dialects. Unicode is simply unaware of the Armenian dialectal aspirated letters. Vahag (talk) 15:06, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I don't understand the need. If we're using printed sources for these forms, why not use their orthography? kwami (talk) 15:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Because I don't like script-mixing. All Armenian letters and almost all Armenian punctuation are unique. But I guess if we can use goyish symbols on and, we can also use one on . Let me get accustomed to the idea of using symbols from non-Armenian Unicode blocks. Vahag (talk) 16:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay. kwami (talk) 22:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

 * Replying to where I was pinged about the general question of how to handle Unicode characters that aren't used for anything, and not commenting on these specific Armenian characters: [//en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Sandbox&action=edit&oldid=78949961 here's a mockup of a "ghost character" template] and [//en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3Ano_entry&diff=78950078&oldid=78949372 here's a mockup of including it into the existing "no entry" template], but it seems like if a character is in Unicode but isn't used for anything at all, we would usually just delete it...? (If it's used for something but not what Unicode included it for, maybe Usage notes is the place to mention that, or maybe that too is just not includable?) Ghost kanji seem unusual in that they provide a lot of information, even readings (which are pulled from who knows where) - -sche (discuss) 21:22, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The problem as I see it is that these are in the Unicode charts, and if deleted would become red links in our lists at e.g. Appendix:Unicode/Armenian, so it's likely that people will repeatedly create them if we don't provide any info, even if they have no info themselves -- just as people repeatedly create pages on emojis without providing any content. If nothing else, people will come here to find what they're used for (that's something I commonly do), and will be left with no answers if we don't cover them.
 * A dedicated page with a ghost-character template (and also the Unicode character box IMO) might be the best way to go, as far as clarity to the reader. IMO we should also include info on substitute characters in cases like these. The deprecated CJK angle brackets are another case where we might want separate pages with the ghost template, rather than redirecting them to the pages for the functional angle brackets and covering them with a usage note. If you want to use angle brackets, and they all look the same in your font, that info is very handy to have available on WK because it's so easy to search by specific code point here. kwami (talk) 21:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

բաղասճիք
I am not sure what you mean about this word not being attested–would it be preferable to cite Armenian sources like this one which include the word? http://www.old.ysu.am/files/02N_Dilbaryan.pdf

I do not speak Armenian, but there do appear to be several Armenian sources in which this word is attested. عُثمان (talk) 13:05, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

 * The attested form is, which can mean nominative or your . It has been shown by etymology that only the first one is correct.
 * Anyway, Old Armenian in general and Old Armenian toponymy in particular should be left to knowledgable users, these are very difficult topics. Vahag (talk) 13:11, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Vahagn Petrosyan Oh OK, that is helpful to know! If you are able to help with this particular word, it would be much appreciated. The reason for my interest is that it is the origin of the word بلوچ, the name for the Baloch people and language. Even though this is probably quite a rare Armenian toponym, it has a lot of historical signifance outside of Armenia. عُثمان (talk) 13:25, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I made . It does not seem to be related to the ethnonym of Baluchis. Vahag (talk) 16:20, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Vahagn Petrosyan Thank you! I am impressed by the amount of detail, this is very interesting. عُثمان (talk) 00:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Pronunciation of the letter ր: [ɹ] or [ɾ]?
Hi!

I see a slight contradiction.

transforms ր into '/ɹ/ [ɹ]' for both Eastern and Western.

But https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ր states that ր is pronounced [ɾ] in both Eastern (except Iran) and Western.

And https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_alphabet states that ր is pronounced /ɹ/ in Eastern and /ɾ/ in Western.

Which one is correct? Fofofe (talk) 21:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

 * This is experimenting with the pronunciation module. He will correct it to /ɾ/ soon I suppose. Vahag (talk) 06:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

 * Thanks. RagingPichu has corrected it in . I have corrected it in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_alphabet. Please check it. Fofofe (talk) 21:42, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I will not touch Wikipedia. It is run by low-IQ sticklers. Vahag (talk) 08:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

անդրանիկ
Is there the possibility of the existence of an etymological link between անդրանիկ and Ανδρόνικος? Boghos1 (talk) 08:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

 * No, the similarity is accidental. Vahag (talk) 09:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Pseudo-scientific and false etymologies
I know that this is not the scope of your operations, but there are many narratives that have spread and are spreading within various Armenian communities that deal with etymologies in completely unscientific ways and it is obvious that they are using these etymologies for political utility. How is it possible to work in a collaborated manner so as to encourage the scientific and critical approach to providing etymologies and accept whatever the scientific research produces rather than go with preformed biases? Huge respect to the Ajarians, Jahukyans, and Martirosyans of this world. (Btw check people of ar on Facebook, some lunatic shit) 93.126.209.108 12:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

 * My study of humans has brought me to the conclusion that men are predestined at birth either to critical thinking, common sense and healthy scepticism, or to charlatanry, pseudo-science and confirmation bias. There is no point in arguing with the second group. They can't change, it's genetic. What we can do is putting out good research online for free to be found by the chosen ones. That is one of my main motivations for writing the Wiktionary. I will also gatekeep the oikumene section of Wiktionary from charlatans until I die. As for academia, I am afraid it will be lost to the barbarians. Vahag (talk) 18:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I highly respect your work, and I highly respect the quality of the etymologies of the Armenian entries. Thank you for your efforts and work. Sadly many Armenians are prone to pseudoscientific thought just to rationalize certain ends and claims that they have put in their minds prior to research 93.126.213.234 21:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Additionally, could you guide me to historical researches that tend to explain the conditions and reasons for the huge entry of loanwords from various Iranian languages (mainly Middle Persian and Parthian)? Or briefly tell me why 93.126.213.234 23:10, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * See here, from page 16. A superstrate shift of the Parthian-speaking ruling class of Armenia to Armenian as their primary language. Vahag (talk) 17:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Auto-conjugator and its status
hi, i just wanted to report on the current state of the auto-conjugator. the main difficulty lies in dealing with the two orthographies, and in exactly what tenses to include, given that armenian knows many more tenses than taught (e.g. նստած եմ, նստած կլինեմ, վազելիս եմ լինում, պահած ունեմ), but not all appearing with all verbs. my thought is to have the tenses as they are presented (with the addition of the հարակատար forms (stative?), which are too common to be excluded from the table) and then additional forms made with լինել proper would be represented in a greyed-out row with a note saying "additional, more complex tenses may be formed with future participle, simultaneous participle, or resultative participle + forms of լինել" and ignore the very rare forms with ունեմ. but what do you think? i would very strongly recommend adding the stative forms into the conjugation table, but the other point i am ambivalent on and will leave that decision entirely to you. either way you have the final word.

about the orthography, the main annoyance is actually that we're working in the reformed orthography, and is causing more of a headache than i expected. my eventual solution is actually to generate all the forms in the traditional orthography and then convert them to reformed, which i have to implement. this is much more efficient in my opinion, and then this begged the thought to me: why not do the same think wiktionary-wide? headwords being in the traditional orthography would allow for us to autoconvert to the other orthography accurately (correcting a few exceptions like երկուական for *երկվական and the frankly-bizarre եվրոպացի for *ևրոպացի), rather than having to manually enter it for each and every word, as the system we have now demands. the situation may be compared to chinese, where the mother country's system used by the numerical majority (simplified chinese characters) is not used as the headword, with traditional instead.

anyway, probably a few more weeks are needed, since i work on this admittedly rather sporadically due to my lack of infinite time. if any other difficulty or thought arises i will inform you, probably in this same thread. RagingPichu (talk) 23:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

 * About what forms to show in the table: I don't care, as long as the table looks pretty.
 * About orthography: the reformed one should be the main one for Modern Armenian. That is what 95% of users expect. Automatic conversion from TAO to RAO is impossible. It cannot know that becomes  but  remains . Vahag (talk) 17:10, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

կար
Concerning etymology 2 of the entry կար is it possible to add Persian كردن (kardan) as a related word or even as a possible source for կար (most probably a middle persian/middle iranian variation of it)? Since the North Kurdish kar- has been mentioned already, which most probably comes from Proto-Iranian kar which is also the origin of Persian كردن. It is interesting that Acharyan has mentioned the Sogdian kāδe, kāδī instead of the Middle Persian. 91.232.101.119 17:48, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

 * I haven't forgotten your question. I need more time to review the newer etymologies. Vahag (talk) 20:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Berytian IP, is now done. I am inclined towards the derivation from the Iranian "to do, make" root, but the sense development should be explained better. Vahag (talk) 18:43, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

միտ
Out of curiosity, is it logical to posit that միտ could be etymologically related to some derivation of PIE *men-, seeing the semantic similarity? 93.126.207.66 16:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

 * That has been suggested many times in the 19th century, but it is phonetically impossible. would give . Vahag (talk) 17:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

title: User talk:Vahagn Petrosyan


text:
nitso

Etymology
From, from , from , from , from (via a verb *nīdicāre). Alternatively, via Italian or.

Noun

 * 1) burial niche; loculus
 * 2) tomb

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) niche all senses

title: nitso


text:
хипопотамка

Noun

 * : female hippopotamus

title: хипопотамка


text:
kabaong

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) coffin

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) coffin

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) coffin; casket

Noun

 * 1) coffin; casket

title: kabaong


text:
хомосексуалистка

Noun

 * : female homosexual, female homo, lesbian

title: хомосексуалистка


text:
лесбийка

Noun

 * 1) lesbian, female homosexual

title: лесбийка


text:
libingan

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) grave; tomb
 * 2) cemetery; graveyard
 * 1) cemetery; graveyard

Verb

 * 1) to use as a grave

title: libingan


text:
tandang

Etymology
Compare 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to kick strike with the foot or leg

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) rooster

Etymology
, from, from. .

Verb

 * 1) to visit
 * 2)  to gather vegetables.

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) young male chicken

Etymology
Compare 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) rooster; male fowl
 * 2) gamecock
 * 1) gamecock

title: tandang


text:
User:Kalaivanan.saravanan

Personal Details
My name - Kalaivanan Saravanan, after my Father Mr. Saravanan K, Sub-Inspector, SB CID, Tamil Nadu Police. My mother - Ms. Suseela P, a home-maker. My younger brother - Mr. Prashanth S, doing his under graduation in Mechanical Engineering in PSG College of Technology, Coimbatore.

My native - Mecheri, a village near the city of Salem, Tamil Nadu, India. I was born & brought up in Salem.

Date of Birth: April 4, 1986

Education
I completed my schooling in Salem. Studied in L.E.F. Eden Garden School, Salem till my Fifth grade & completed Higher Secondary in Sri Sarada Bala Mandir Boys Matriculation higher Secondary School, Salem.

Graduated from PSG College of Technology, Coimbatore, as a Bachelor of Engineering (B.E) in the field of Electrical & Electronics Engineering (EEE).

Profession
I'm working as a Senior Software Engineer in Mindtree Limited, Chennai, a Software firm.

title: User:Kalaivanan.saravanan


text:
хубавеляк

Noun

 * 1) handsome man, male beauty

title: хубавеляк


text:
inahing manok

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) hen female chicken

title: inahing manok


text:
хубавец

Noun

 * 1) good-looking man, male beauty, male looker

title: хубавец


text:
сиромашия

Noun

 * 1)  destitution, indigence, impecuniosity, poverty, penury

title: сиромашия


text:
kahel

Etymology
, from, nisba of.

Noun

 * 1) orange
 * 2) orange

title: kahel


text:
ztroskotat

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to shipwreck
 * 2) to fail

title: ztroskotat


text:
хубостник

Noun

 * 1) male scamp, male scapegrace, good-for-nothing man or boy

title: хубостник


text:
Fadogia homblei

Hypernyms

 * - order; - family;  - subfamily;  - tribe;  - genus

title: Fadogia homblei


text:
царкиня

Noun

 * : princess the daughter of a czar
 * : czarina
 * : queen, empress

title: царкиня


text:
olla yllään

Verb

 * 1)  to wear

Conjugation

 * is not inflected, but receives the appropriate possessive suffix:
 * is not inflected, but receives the appropriate possessive suffix:

title: olla yllään


text:
чобанин

Etymology
, from.

Noun

 * 1)  male shepherd

title: чобанин


text:
чобанка

Noun

 * , : female shepherd
 * 1) herb from genus ; butterbur
 * 1) herb from genus ; butterbur

Noun

 * 1)  shepherdess

title: чобанка


text:
шефка

Noun

 * : female boss, female leader, female chief, female manager, female director, head woman

title: шефка


text:
шофьорка

Noun

 * : female driver (of a vehicle), female chauffeur, female motorist

title: шофьорка


text:
юнакиня

Etymology
From ; equivalent to.

Noun

 * : heroine, female champion, а brave woman
 * : sportswoman, female athlete, a female member of a sports club in the past
 * : sportswoman, female athlete, a female member of a sports club in the past

title: юнакиня


text:
гост

Etymology
From, from , from.

Noun

 * 1) guest (recipient of hospitality)
 * 2) guest (invited performer)

Etymology
, from, from.

Noun

 * 1) guest

Etymology
, from, from.

Noun

 * 1) guest
 * Сваког госта три дана доста. - [For] every guest three days is enough. (proverb)

title: гост


text:
Kuchengabel

Noun

 * 1) small fork; pastry fork

Usage notes

 * Wikipedia defines the as having a larger, bevelled tine on the side. While this design is common, the German word is in no way restricted to such a fork. A  is simply a fairly small and short fork, usually with three tines.

title: Kuchengabel


text:
2o

Adverb

 * 1) 2nd

Adjective

 * 1) ; 2nd

Usage notes

 * Usually written with a superscript "o" as 2º.

title: 2o


text:
2a

Usage notes
Usually written with a superscript "a" as 2ª.

title: 2a


text:
2'nci

Pronunciation
As ikinci

Adjective

 * 1) 2nd

title: 2'nci


text: décimos

title: décimos


text: undécima

title: undécima


text: undécimos

title: undécimos


text: undécimas

title: undécimas


text:
傭兵

Noun

 * 1) hired soldier; mercenary; lansquenet

Noun

 * 1) a mercenary

title: 傭兵


text:
Citations:crib

 * Shakespeare, Henry IV Part 2, Act 3, Scene 1
 * How many thousand of my poorest subjects / Are at this hour asleep! O sleep, O gentle sleep, / Nature’s soft nurse, how have I frighted thee, That thou no more wilt weigh my eyelids down / And steep my senses in forgetfulness? / Why rather, sleep, liest thou in smoky cribs, / Upon uneasy pallets stretching thee / And hush’d with buzzing night-flies to thy slumber, / Than in the perfumed chambers of the great, / Under the canopies of costly state, / And lull’d with sound of sweetest melody?

title: Citations:crib


text:
تحت

Etymology 1
Originally a case form of a defective noun ; see the usage note. From the root. Related to 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Adverb

 * 1) below

Usage notes
This originates as a case form of a defective noun. It is declined normally when definite, e.g. . Other forms are the adverbial accusative in the preposition, the genitive in the expression (also with an attached pronoun, as in ), and the irregular expression.

Etymology 2
. Related to 🇨🇬.

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) down
 * 2) under
 * 3) below
 * 4) downstairs

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) the lower surface; bottom
 * 2) the space beneath

Adverb

 * 1) under, beneath

Etymology
.

Preposition

 * 1) under

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) down, downstairs

Preposition

 * 1) below, under

title: تحت


text:
Edad Media

Proper noun

 * 1)  Middle Ages

title: Edad Media


text: cecas

title: cecas


text:
tuerta

Adjective

 * : blind in one eye

title: tuerta


text: tuertos

title: tuertos


text: tuertas

title: tuertas


text:
hackish

Adjective

 * 1) Characteristic of hacks, or inferior writers.
 * 2)  Using, or characterised by, hacks: poorly designed workarounds.
 * 3)  Characteristic of hackers.
 * hackish slang; a hackish sense of humor
 * 1)  Characteristic of hackers.
 * hackish slang; a hackish sense of humor
 * hackish slang; a hackish sense of humor

title: hackish


text:
matrika

Noun

 * 1) A mother figure in Indian art.

Noun

 * 1) register office

Related terms

 * See

title: matrika


text:
Citations:јад

 * Jovan Dučić, De profundis, lines 1-3
 * Не, утехе нема:
 * Што утехом зову, зови заборавом;
 * Јад истински дубок никад не задрема.

title: Citations:јад


text:
look-in

Noun

 * 1)  A quick glance.
 * 2)  A brief visit.
 * 3)  A chance to participate, compete, or succeed.
 * 4)  A quick short pass to a receiver running diagonally toward the center of the field.

title: look-in


text:
1'inci

Pronunciation
As birinci

Adjective

 * 1) 1st

title: 1'inci


text: phone books

title: phone books


text: phone booths

title: phone booths


text: phone lines

title: phone lines


text: Category:Slovene terms suffixed with -ski


text: telephone booths

title: telephone booths


text:
3'üncü

Pronunciation
As üçüncü

Adjective

 * 1) 3rd

title: 3'üncü


text:
Talk:epäillä

Doubt/suspect
This is as much to aid my learning as anything else: using English, if I were to say "I suspect you killed him", it indicates that I think you have committed murder, whereas if I say "I doubt you killed him", it indicates that I think you have not. In Finnish, both doubt and suspect translate as epäillä. If I say "epäilen, että murhasit hänet", does that mean I suspect you or doubt you? How does one differentiate between the two when speaking? Thanks. --Estesark 16:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Response
Over 10 years later, and I have an answer for you. I asked my Finnish teacher this very question, and she said "epäillä is a terrible verb that can mean either to doubt or to suspect" and the sentence you created is ambiguous and could mean either. The meaning is more often "to suspect" than "to doubt", though. Hope that helps! --Rendall (talk) 12:13, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * "Epäilen, että hän teki sen." => I suspect that s/he did it.
 * "Epäilen, osaako hän tehdä sitä." => I doubt that s/he can do it.
 * I'll see if I can add a usage note about this. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 15:57, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

title: Talk:epäillä


text:
Talk:шкаф

Since шкаф is inanimated, its plural accusative should be шкафы, not щкафов. Please consider that I'm but a beginner in my study of russian language.
 * You’re correct. Thanks for spotting. --Vahagn Petrosyan 16:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:шкаф


text:
4'üncü

Pronunciation
As dördüncü

Adjective

 * 1) 4th

title: 4'üncü


text: grocery stores

title: grocery stores


text: barber shops

title: barber shops


text:
Weingarten right

Noun

 * 1) Any of various rights afforded employees by the United States Supreme Court decision in NLRB v. J. Weingarten, Inc. (1975).

title: Weingarten right


text:
wedde

Etymology 1
See

Noun

 * 1)  A, salary, periodic pay for a civil servant or long-term employee.
 * 2)  The wage of a soldier.
 * 3)  The stake of a wager.
 * 1)  The stake of a wager.

title: wedde


text: Weingarten rights

title: Weingarten rights


text:
faire son possible

Verb

 * 1) to do what one can

Usage notes
Often emphasised with : faire tout son possible, "to do one's best, do one's utmost".

Conjugation

 * see

title: faire son possible


text:
不死身

Etymology
Compound of.

The apparent rendaku on the middle syllable is difficult to explain. Rendaku usually only happens at the boundaries of a compound's elements, whereas here we see the initial element shift to. Phonologically, this would suggest that the compound were instead +. However, no such term exists; the closest term is.

First cited to a text from 1703.

Adjective

 * 1)  invulnerable, indestructible, immortal
 * 2)   invulnerable, unfazable, unflappable: not becoming discouraged or frustrated in the face of failure or difficulty

Usage notes
Although this term is used with the -na adjective grammar pattern using the particle, it is also frequently encountered as an attributive noun with the particle instead.

Noun

 * 1) invulnerability, indestructibility, immortality
 * 2)  an invulnerable, indestructible, or immortal body
 * 3)   invulnerability, unfazability, unflappability: the state or quality of not becoming discouraged or frustrated in the face of failure or difficulty
 * 4)   a person with an unfazable or unflappable character
 * 1)   invulnerability, unfazability, unflappability: the state or quality of not becoming discouraged or frustrated in the face of failure or difficulty
 * 2)   a person with an unfazable or unflappable character

Usage notes
Although this term is found with the -na adjective grammar pattern using the particle, it is also frequently encountered as an attributive noun with the particle instead.

title: 不死身


text:
Talk:nakupenda

nakupenda tena sana han

please help me to translate this sentence

thanks very much...

 * "I love you very, very much" (but I don’t get the last word, han...means nothing to me). —Stephen 19:09, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

ninakupenda
Can't really be a phrase can it? Maybe a contraction? Mglovesfun (talk) 10:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Adding ninakupenda. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:27, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

 * These are verbs with attached subject and object pronouns. Definitely not contractions. —Stephen 01:02, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Cleaned up. - -sche (discuss) 17:08, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:nakupenda


text:
不死

Verb

 * 1) to live forever; to be immortal

Etymology
Ultimately from compound.

First attested in Japanese to a text from 797.

Noun

 * 1)  immortality, deathlessness, eternal life, life without death

Usage notes

 * Used in compounds.
 * When used as a standalone word, often encountered in an attributive role using the particle.

title: 不死


text:
Talk:kvicken

kvicken, and dunkare
Swedish Harry Potter terms for "Snitch" and "Bludger" respectively. Both of the English terms failed RFV in March 2007. --Bequw → ¢ • τ 23:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

 * We don’t need entries for the English words here, and Swedish Wiktionary doesn’t need entries for the Swedish words, but we should keep the Swedish words in English Wiktionary for the purpose of translation. Otherwise, English-speakers trying to read Swedish could spend hours trying in vain to find out the meaning of the words. —Stephen 00:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Regardless of a word's language, words coined in fictional domains will be allowed by the CFI only if they have entered common (non-Harry Potter). We don't, AFAIK, keep them around just for translations. I don't know if these Swedish words have entered common currency or not, but I suspect since we didn't find it happening for the original English words that the same is true for the Swedish one. Ultimately it will take a knowledge of Swedish to say for certain. --Bequw → ¢ • τ 00:05, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

 * You confuse definitions with translations. They are separate things. CFI is about words to be defined and their definitions. Translation is a separate subject. kvicken gets over 16,000 hits. Professional translators are generally not interested in definitions, we just want to get the correct translation. While the definition of kvicken is not worthy of inclusion, the possibility of it appearing in a text to be translated makes it worthwhile to include as a translation. If we’re going to have translations, we should have the words that translators need to look up in order to translate, and that includes kvicken. —Stephen 19:25, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Without really entering the debate on the inclusion worthiness of HP terms, I would just like to expand a little about the words and raw google searches:
 * "Kvicken": Raw google hits are - in this case - quite difficult to evaluate, as the hits for "kvicken" include several place names, plenty of online community nicknames/usernames, a nickname for at least one school, nicknames for several people, an old(?) word which seems to be related to bovine anatomy (possibly definite form of "kvicke"??), names of boats, etc. etc. What I believe this could indicate is that "kvicken" is an example of the possibility in Swedish to turn an adjective into a "nickname" (well, a bit loosely speaking: I don't know the details well enough to be able to explain that process or exactly what kind of word is formed) by adding -en or -an: "kvicken" would then mean something like "the fast/quick one".
 * "Dunkare": An even more common term, which certainly does not only refer to HP. It could also mean a kind of player in basket ball (who makes dunks), in certain areas: the seeker in "hide and seek" (rather a variety of that game). The literal meaning would be something like "pounder", "someone (or something) which pounds".
 * So, what I'd like to say is that the words have not been originally invented for HP, but rather adapted to this new context. And yes, I know these senses should be added, but firstly: not by me tonight, and secondly: that won't resolve the issue about the HP specific senses anyway. \Mike 20:25, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't much care about the fate of these entries, but I do care about the application of WT policy. I agree you can think of "definitions" and "translations" as separate concepts but we treat them equally before the CFI (I've not heard of another overlapping policy that covers these). I also think I understand your concern Stephen, so if you feel the CFI is too restrictive in aiding translation, maybe you'd like (to vote) to append a section to it concerning translations? Or maybe an Appendix page concerning translations of terms that don't pass the CFI (eg HP's "Snitch" and "Bludger")? Otherwise I still see so no way to keep the HP senses of these words if they haven't entered common currency. --Bequw → ¢ • τ 06:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

 * CFI virtually ignores translation. It gets a bare mention twice. If you worked professionally as a translator for a couple of years and had to look up the translations of a lot of the difficult terms, including proper names, esoteric technical terms, and unusual terms such as kvicken, you would not hesitate to have them. It’s only the confusion that most of us have trying to (or not trying to) differentiate the two disciplines that make the definition guys want to delete the words that the translation crowd wants to keep...and, unfortunately for the translation crowd, we seem to number only one or two. I have found that keeping words that experience and common sense says should be kept is very easy. I have never deleted a well-formed entry if the entry was something we needed to have. It’s as easy to keep them as falling off a log. —Stephen 06:52, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Well, I am a professional translator (freelancing full-time for the past two years and part-time for a decade before that) and I hesitate to have them. Wiktionary is not KudoZ, and filling mainspace with random junk from our respective scratchpads or termbases is not particularly helpful to our purpose of creating a dictionary of all words in all languages.  For one thing, in order to be successful Wiktionary needs to be maintainable, which a database of "everything a translator might want to know" would not be.
 * More generally, CFI do not magically stop applying just because an entry is non-English... perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but that's what you seem to imply. (Also, translators don't need definitions?  Seriously? Word-to-word equivalences are almost useless without them.  There's a reason why most translators have a stack of monolingual dictionaries next to their stack of bilingual ones.)  -- Visviva 12:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Agreed. --Bequw → ¢ • τ 05:56, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

RFV failed, entries deleted. Per \Mike, I've recreated them both with and  for their non– Harry Potter senses. —Ruakh TALK 23:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:kvicken


text:
Talk:dunkare

kvicken, and dunkare
Swedish Harry Potter terms for "Snitch" and "Bludger" respectively. Both of the English terms failed RFV in March 2007. --Bequw → ¢ • τ 23:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

 * We don’t need entries for the English words here, and Swedish Wiktionary doesn’t need entries for the Swedish words, but we should keep the Swedish words in English Wiktionary for the purpose of translation. Otherwise, English-speakers trying to read Swedish could spend hours trying in vain to find out the meaning of the words. —Stephen 00:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Regardless of a word's language, words coined in fictional domains will be allowed by the CFI only if they have entered common (non-Harry Potter). We don't, AFAIK, keep them around just for translations. I don't know if these Swedish words have entered common currency or not, but I suspect since we didn't find it happening for the original English words that the same is true for the Swedish one. Ultimately it will take a knowledge of Swedish to say for certain. --Bequw → ¢ • τ 00:05, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

 * You confuse definitions with translations. They are separate things. CFI is about words to be defined and their definitions. Translation is a separate subject. kvicken gets over 16,000 hits. Professional translators are generally not interested in definitions, we just want to get the correct translation. While the definition of kvicken is not worthy of inclusion, the possibility of it appearing in a text to be translated makes it worthwhile to include as a translation. If we’re going to have translations, we should have the words that translators need to look up in order to translate, and that includes kvicken. —Stephen 19:25, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Without really entering the debate on the inclusion worthiness of HP terms, I would just like to expand a little about the words and raw google searches:
 * "Kvicken": Raw google hits are - in this case - quite difficult to evaluate, as the hits for "kvicken" include several place names, plenty of online community nicknames/usernames, a nickname for at least one school, nicknames for several people, an old(?) word which seems to be related to bovine anatomy (possibly definite form of "kvicke"??), names of boats, etc. etc. What I believe this could indicate is that "kvicken" is an example of the possibility in Swedish to turn an adjective into a "nickname" (well, a bit loosely speaking: I don't know the details well enough to be able to explain that process or exactly what kind of word is formed) by adding -en or -an: "kvicken" would then mean something like "the fast/quick one".
 * "Dunkare": An even more common term, which certainly does not only refer to HP. It could also mean a kind of player in basket ball (who makes dunks), in certain areas: the seeker in "hide and seek" (rather a variety of that game). The literal meaning would be something like "pounder", "someone (or something) which pounds".
 * So, what I'd like to say is that the words have not been originally invented for HP, but rather adapted to this new context. And yes, I know these senses should be added, but firstly: not by me tonight, and secondly: that won't resolve the issue about the HP specific senses anyway. \Mike 20:25, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't much care about the fate of these entries, but I do care about the application of WT policy. I agree you can think of "definitions" and "translations" as separate concepts but we treat them equally before the CFI (I've not heard of another overlapping policy that covers these). I also think I understand your concern Stephen, so if you feel the CFI is too restrictive in aiding translation, maybe you'd like (to vote) to append a section to it concerning translations? Or maybe an Appendix page concerning translations of terms that don't pass the CFI (eg HP's "Snitch" and "Bludger")? Otherwise I still see so no way to keep the HP senses of these words if they haven't entered common currency. --Bequw → ¢ • τ 06:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

 * CFI virtually ignores translation. It gets a bare mention twice. If you worked professionally as a translator for a couple of years and had to look up the translations of a lot of the difficult terms, including proper names, esoteric technical terms, and unusual terms such as kvicken, you would not hesitate to have them. It’s only the confusion that most of us have trying to (or not trying to) differentiate the two disciplines that make the definition guys want to delete the words that the translation crowd wants to keep...and, unfortunately for the translation crowd, we seem to number only one or two. I have found that keeping words that experience and common sense says should be kept is very easy. I have never deleted a well-formed entry if the entry was something we needed to have. It’s as easy to keep them as falling off a log. —Stephen 06:52, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Well, I am a professional translator (freelancing full-time for the past two years and part-time for a decade before that) and I hesitate to have them. Wiktionary is not KudoZ, and filling mainspace with random junk from our respective scratchpads or termbases is not particularly helpful to our purpose of creating a dictionary of all words in all languages.  For one thing, in order to be successful Wiktionary needs to be maintainable, which a database of "everything a translator might want to know" would not be.
 * More generally, CFI do not magically stop applying just because an entry is non-English... perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but that's what you seem to imply. (Also, translators don't need definitions?  Seriously? Word-to-word equivalences are almost useless without them.  There's a reason why most translators have a stack of monolingual dictionaries next to their stack of bilingual ones.)  -- Visviva 12:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Agreed. --Bequw → ¢ • τ 05:56, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

RFV failed, entries deleted. Per \Mike, I've recreated them both with and  for their non– Harry Potter senses. —Ruakh TALK 23:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:dunkare


text:
Talk:regulation

regulation
Is this not just an attributive use of the noun, to be deleted in its adjective sense? --Dan Polansky 09:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

 * I have added a sense that is distinct and not attributive use of the noun. I agree that the sense you rfv'd is suspect. DCDuring TALK 09:41, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Interestingly, Webster 1913 has "regulation" only as a noun while Century 1911 includes one adjective sense: "having a fixed or regulated pattern or style; in accord with a rule or standard".
 * --Dan Polansky 09:44, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

 * After inserting the new sense, I found same sense at MWOnline, dated 1846. DCDuring TALK 09:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

RFV failed, sense removed. —Ruakh TALK 02:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:regulation


text:
lapicera

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) pen
 * 2) pencil case
 * 1) pencil case

title: lapicera


text:
glagolski

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) verbal, relating to verbs

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) verbal, relating to verbs

title: glagolski


text:
nanašati

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to relate, to pertain, to apply, to belong
 * 1)  to relate, to pertain, to apply, to belong

title: nanašati


text:
мразя

Etymology 1
Causative-iterative of.

Verb

 * 1)  to freeze, to congeal
 * 2)  (+ dative pronoun) to feel freezing cold, to shiver due to cold

Etymology 2
Most likely from Etymology 1 via semantic shift. Hirt compares it with 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1)  to hate, to detest, to abhor, to abominate, to loathe

title: мразя


text:
обичам

Etymology
Related to.

Verb

 * 1)  to love
 * 2)  to like, to care for
 * 3)  to be fond of, to have a fondness for
 * 1)  to be fond of, to have a fondness for

title: обичам


text:
փաղփ

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  sheen, lustre

Etymology
, and other words composed by reduplication of.

Noun

 * 1) sheen, refulgence, lustre

title: փաղփ


text: virtuosas

title: virtuosas


text: gallega

title: gallega


text: gallegos

title: gallegos


text: gallegas

title: gallegas


text:
Talk:omega

omega
Rfv-sense: death. DCDuring TALK 18:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

 * clocked out DCDuring TALK 00:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Deleted. Equinox ◑ 14:12, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:omega


text:
наказвам

Verb

 * 1)  to punish, to impose a punishment or penalty on someone, to penalize
 * 2)  to say a lot of things

title: наказвам


text:
накажа

Verb

 * 1)  to punish, to impose a punishment or penalty on someone, to penalize
 * 2)  to say a lot of things

title: накажа


text:
gentleman farmer

Noun

 * 1) A man who farms his own land, but small-scale, not for a living.

title: gentleman farmer


text: gentlemen farmers

title: gentlemen farmers


text: gentleman farmers

title: gentleman farmers


text:
Talk:nom de plume

nom de plume
French section. I’ve heard that is made-in-English French coined on the pattern of the genuinely French. I’d like to see the earliest French citation of usage available, as well as a referenced etymology. †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 02:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's possible that the word is made-in-English French, I don't know, but nom de plume is also used in French, with the same meaning as pseudonyme, but only when applied to a writer. Also note that there are examples of English words originating from French, then borrowed by French from English (e.g. fuel). Lmaltier 14:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's also listed in the TLFi under undefined:, though I've never been able to identify how the references work in there. I think the sources (dated 1970 and 77) might be for dictionaries. Circeus 17:14, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

 * The first recorded use of nom de plume was in 1823. It was coined by English writers from pen name by analogy with nom de guerre. —Stephen 20:42, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Yeah, they're http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/915733 and http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/2474232. (I don't know a general foolproof way to track down them down, such as a page that lists them all; in this case I was able to find them by Googling last-name + "dictionnaire", but that doesn't always work.) —Ruakh TALK 06:00, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I've added the earliest relevant-seeming b.g.c. hits for "son nom de plume" (1874) and "le nom de plume" (1655). Though I'm starting to wonder if I misparsed the "le nom de plume" hit: I took it as "le {nom de plume} d’{Amyclée}", but now I think it might be "le {nom de {plume d’Amyclée~}" (as in, not "the nom de plume 'Amyclae'", but rather "the name of 'feather of Amyclae'"). —Ruakh TALK 06:00, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

 * With regard to 'le nom de plume d’Amyclée', remember that nom can mean noun, too (but I'm not actually hazarding any guesses of my own as to how to parse the sentence). — Beobach972 23:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Cited, and etymologies corrected per this discussion. —Ruakh TALK 22:00, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

 * RFV passed. —Ruakh TALK 21:21, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Etymology section
My edit comment wasn't clear, what I meant to say is that each element should be separated (like it was before this change), because the noun phrase "nom de plume" didn't exist in French when it was coined in English. Thibaut (talk) 07:53, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:nom de plume


text:
affliger

Etymology
.

Verb

 * 1)  to grieve someone, to distress someone
 * 2)  to smite
 * 1)  to smite

title: affliger


text: Category:Slovene terms prefixed with ne-


text:
влюбвам се

Verb

 * 1) to fall in love

title: влюбвам се


text:
nekdo

Etymology
From,.

Pronoun

 * 1) someone, somebody

title: nekdo


text: Category:Slovene prefixes

title: Category:Slovene prefixes


text: argonautas

title: argonautas


text:
влюбя се

Verb

 * 1) to fall in love

title: влюбя се


text:
Talk:zingers

zingers
Rfv-sense: edible snack made by Hostess. Would need to meet standard for a product name. DCDuring TALK 17:39, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Misspelled anyway (Zingers.)—msh210 ℠  18:42, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Deleted. Equinox ◑ 13:59, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:zingers


text:
Talk:FED

FED
Federal Reserve. I thought it was only Fed. DCDuring TALK 18:37, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

 * It appears attestable, though it was hard to search for since Google is not case sensitive, and the word is spelled with the same letters as a common word "fed" and the common abbreviation "Fed." It's uncommon, and I have marked it as nonstandard, since it's clearly an abbreviation being treated as acronym, and added citations. Dominic·t 06:11, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Lovely. DCDuring TALK 10:24, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:FED


text:
repleuvoir

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to rain again, to rain for a second time

title: repleuvoir


text:
yllir

Noun

 * 1) elder (tree)

title: yllir


text:
grès

Etymology
From (compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬), from.

Noun

 * 1)  sandstone
 * 2) stoneware

title: grès


text:
palefrenier

Etymology
Probably from.

Noun

 * 1) ostler, groom

title: palefrenier


text: palefreniers

title: palefreniers


text: cintres

title: cintres


text:
新図

Noun

 * 1) a newly drawn picture

title: 新図


text: francuska

title: francuska


text:
cahoter

Etymology
. The suggests a derivation from. Other sources suggest a derivation from, from , or that the word is onomatopoeic.

Verb

 * 1)  to bump, jolt
 * 2)  to jolt along, bounce along

title: cahoter


text:
pytajnik

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) question mark

title: pytajnik


text:
faquin

Etymology
Probably from. Or, from (from, corresponding to modern 🇨🇬) +.

Noun

 * 1)  wretch, rascal

title: faquin


text: faquins

title: faquins


text: gráphicas

title: gráphicas


text:
gusano de seda

Noun

 * 1) silkworm

title: gusano de seda


text: gusanos de seda

title: gusanos de seda


text: speed limits

title: speed limits


text:
assener

Etymology
, from, from , from. .

Verb

 * 1) to strike (a blow)
 * 2) to thrust out, fling (an argument, reply)

title: assener


text:
лъа

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)   water

title: лъа


text:
emportement

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) (a fit of) anger, rage

title: emportement


text: emportements

title: emportements


text: imaginaria

title: imaginaria


text: imaginarios

title: imaginarios


text: imaginarias

title: imaginarias


text: Category:Khvarshi nouns

title: Category:Khvarshi nouns


text: innecesaria

title: innecesaria


text:
sezam

Etymology 1
Perhaps.

Noun

 * 1) benne, sesame
 * 2) sesame

Etymology 2
From.

Noun

 * 1) place with very valuable items

title: sezam


text: innecesarios

title: innecesarios


text: Category:Khvarshi language

title: Category:Khvarshi language


text: innecesarias

title: innecesarias


text:
heksenjacht

Etymology
Compound of.

title: heksenjacht


text:
invisiblemente

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) invisibly

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) invisibly

title: invisiblemente


text:
savoir gré

Etymology
Compare 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1)  to be grateful

title: savoir gré


text:
Hexenjagd

Noun

 * 1) witch-hunt

title: Hexenjagd


text: jugadora

title: jugadora


text:
au reste

Adverb

 * 1) besides, moreover

title: au reste


text: jugadoras

title: jugadoras


text:
Template talk:sl-adj

Usage
This template shows the inflection line of masculine adjectives. It adds the term to Category:Slovene adjectives.

For example, on "velik":

The above code displays as follows:
 * Adjective

For adjectives that are not comparable use

title: Template talk:sl-adj


text:
User:Île flottant

 This page is operated from Switzerland.

Other projects:
I am only really active on the wikipedia. See my page here:

title: User:Île flottant


text:
User talk:Île flottant

 This page is operated from Switzerland.

Notice
Please do not post here, I will most likely not read what you have to say. Instead post on my wikipedia talk page, here:. Messages posted here will be copied over (if I see them) and deleted. I also reserve the right to delete messages that are rude and ignore them at my will.

title: User talk:Île flottant


text: pro-sentences

title: pro-sentences


text:
prijateljski

Etymology
.

Adjective

 * 1) friendly

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) friendly

title: prijateljski


text: Category:Serbo-Croatian terms suffixed with -ski


text: transitifs

title: transitifs


text:
Nanotechnologie

Noun

 * 1) nanotechnology

title: Nanotechnologie


text: sauditas

title: sauditas


text: minderwertiger

title: minderwertiger


text: minderwertigsten

title: minderwertigsten


text: Rechtsstaats

title: Rechtsstaats


text: Rechtsstaaten

title: Rechtsstaaten


text: Watvogels

title: Watvogels


text: Watvögel

title: Watvögel


text:
autofagosoma

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) autophagosome

Noun

 * 1) autophagosome

title: autofagosoma


text:
samozadovoljevati

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to masturbate (oneself)

title: samozadovoljevati


text:
fagosoma

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  phagosome

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  phagosome

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  phagosome

title: fagosoma


text: neugieriger

title: neugieriger


text: neugierigsten

title: neugierigsten


text:
autofecondazione

Etymology
From.

title: autofecondazione


text: Föhren

title: Föhren


text:
autogamia

Etymology
(see 🇨🇬).

Noun

 * 1) autogamy

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) autogamy

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  autogamy

Noun

 * 1) autogamy

title: autogamia


text: Kiefern

title: Kiefern


text: Kiefers

title: Kiefers


text:
Talk:affetmek

Etymology
The Arabic word seems to be missing. Should it be عفو (ʿafw)? Masseman 21:19, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:affetmek


text: Schalls

title: Schalls


text:
autoferrotranviere

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) public transport worker

title: autoferrotranviere


text:
autofficina

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) auto (car) workshop

title: autofficina


text:
autofilettante

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) self-tapping (screw)

title: autofilettante


text: transitives

title: transitives


text:
lingüista

Etymology
Learned derivation from.

Noun

 * 1) linguist

Noun

 * 1) linguist

Noun

 * 1) linguist

Noun

 * 1) linguist

title: lingüista


text: lingüistas

title: lingüistas


text:
autoflagellazione

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) self-flagellation

title: autoflagellazione


text:
abejaruco

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) bee-eater

title: abejaruco


text:
autogestirsi

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to manage one's own affairs
 * 2) to choose for oneself

title: autogestirsi


text: autogestirmi

title: autogestirmi


text: autogestirti

title: autogestirti


text: autogestirci

title: autogestirci


text: autogestirvi

title: autogestirvi


text: autogestendosi

title: autogestendosi


text: autogestendomi

title: autogestendomi


text: autogestendoti

title: autogestendoti


text: autogestendoci

title: autogestendoci


text: autogestendovi

title: autogestendovi


text: autogestisciti

title: autogestisciti


text: autogestiamoci

title: autogestiamoci


text: autogestitevi

title: autogestitevi


text:
transitivement

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) transitively

title: transitivement


text:
User talk:Cygnis insignis

value
You did not add Derived terms (which is a section in its own right--see below). What you added in your edit was additional items to the inflection line. There is absolutely no reson to list other terms on the inflection line unless they are other forms of the same term, such as the plural on an English noun, or the third-person singular present form of an English verb. The inflection line is not the place to plist other terms.

The Derived terms section is reserved for words in the same language as the language on the entry. So, English sirenian is not a "Derived term" from the Translingual Sirenia because it does not fall under the same language. It would be listed in a Descendants section, with the language of the term identified. Please review basic format of entries at WT:ELE. --EncycloPetey 21:55, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

 * I agree that the written policies at WT:ELE can be very hard to figure out. There are two alternatives I can point you to:  (1) I have been maintaining the entries for parrot: and listen: as model pages for English entry layout.  You can usually find an example of how to do basic format on one of those two pages.  (2) I have been slowly writing About Latin, and although it is geared principally for Latin entries (and incomplete), you may find it helps to clarify format and standards better than WT:ELE in some cases.

 * There are quite a few people around who can help monitor your first edits, but most serious users here are regular contributors who spend the majority of their time writing entries. Most "helpful" comments come in the form of terse statements.  This shouldn't be taken the wrong way; the fact that someone here takes the time to communiate with you at all means they believe you have some promise as a useful and productive member of the community.  You might try reading Help:Interacting with humans to understand something of how Wiktionary operates differently from other MW communities.  There are also only four major discussion areas, and if you watch those, you can keep tabs on all the major discussion here.  We tend to restrict discussion to those fora rather than discussing words on individual pages, in most cases.  These fora are: WT:TR (etymology & usage), WT:BP (policy & general discussion), WT:RFV (requests for verification), and WT:RFD (requests for deletion).  There is also a WT:GP for technical issues.  Again, most of the interaction occurs on one of these pages, or else between specific users pn their talk pages. --EncycloPetey 22:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

title: User talk:Cygnis insignis


text:
vértice

Etymology
Borrowed from. .

Noun

 * 1) vertex highest point
 * 2)  vertex top part of the skull
 * 3)  vertex corner of a polygon or polyhedron
 * 4)  vertex element joined by edges to other such points
 * 5)  vertex point in 3D space
 * 1)  vertex point in 3D space

Etymology
From. .

Noun

 * 1)  vertex

title: vértice


text:
toroide

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  toroid

Noun

 * 1)  toroid

Noun

 * 1)  toroid

title: toroide


text:
intransitivement

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) intransitively

title: intransitivement