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Talk:medical degree

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Hello all. Greeting from an encyclopedist at Wikipedia. I have just created the medical student entry on Wiktionary and others, including; EncycloPetey and Nadanado were kind enough to welcome me and show me a couple of things and add a couple of things to it.

I've just finished mediating a dispute on Wikipedia that has brought up some interesting possible terms that may need inclusion here at Wiktionary. They are medical school and medical degree. These terms stem from discussions held recently at w:Talk:Medical degree. The questions for here really are; 1) should their definitions exist here, 2) if they do, does the use of the terms indicate some unseen usage of the term medical, and 3) are their meanings modified at all by the inclusion of new professions such as naturopathy and chiropratic etcetera within the "medical profession"?

I think that it's an interesting little problem for us.

There is some discussion between myself and EncycloPetey here and to gain a deeper understanding of how this topic has come up, you could observe the discussion here. :-)

Thanks! :-)

Fr33kman talk APW 03:15, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

 * In the discussion at your talk-page, EncycloPetey argues for the inclusion of [[medical student]], making the comment that "The term medical student is unusual because the descriptor is the adjective 'medical', but this adjective describes the field of study for the student, rather than the student directly." However, I'm less convinced; quoting Dr. Arnold Zwicky on the topic of “non-dual citizen” and “transformational grammarian”, “There are many different sorts of non-predicating modification — including things like electrical engineer, Vietnamese war, indigenous language, marital bliss, and daily prayers — and there is a gigantic literature on their analysis, in a number of languages.” This doesn't mean that no non-predicating modifications warrant inclusion, only that it's a regular feature of English grammar that a prenominal adjective may not be predicating, so not all non-predicating modifications warrant inclusion, and therefore non-predicating–ness of a modification is not (by itself) grounds for inclusion. (I suspect that not all editors will agree with me, however.) —Ruakh TALK 15:13, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I would think that Zwicky's authority would make us look for other warrants for the inclusion of phrases involving the use of [[medical]]. How could such criterion or criteria be operationalized? Would the use of [[medical student]] or others attributively be evidence of idiomaticity of some kind? DCDuring TALK 16:59, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

 * (starting a new comment, so people can reply to each separately) As for the problem that you describe — the question of whether a student of non-allopathic medicine (or perhaps of neither-allopathic-nor-osteopathic medicine) counts as a medical student — I don't see that as a problem. If we do include [[medical student]], we should define it as it's used; this means we'll certainly have either an allopathic-specific sense or an allopathic+osteopathic-specific sense (or both), since at least one of those is definitely a specific sense that people use, and might mean that we'll also have a catch-all sense. —Ruakh TALK 15:13, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree and expect that we will find a catch-all sense and a sense limiting the term to "real" medicine, harkening back to the late 19th century (in the US) battles to restrict the profession of medicine to exclude quackery and some fields deemed quackery. There is a chance that a current inclusiveness trend in medical education may force us to rely on older citations for the restrictive sense. I don't see any difference between [[medical student]], [[medical degree]], [[medical education]], [[medical practice]], and possibly others in this regard, which makes me wonder whether any of these warrant inclusion. Can't the battle be fought once/twice at [[medical]] and/or [[medicine]]? DCDuring TALK 16:59, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

 * If it is "fought" there, then it also has to be fought at student:. Consider "biology student", but not "biological student", yet "biological education" and "biological degree" (although rare and a bit awkward) do make sense.  Now, it may be that this is more a property of the adjectives and descriptors involved, but in this case the modified noun plays a role as well.  The same noun may sometimes take an adjectival descriptor, but other times use an attributive noun.  The expectation, then, is for "medicine student", using the otherwise common pattern of attributive noun to describe the field in which the person is a student, just as for "enginerring student", "art student", "communications student". --EncycloPetey 18:07, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

 * The "fighting" I was thinking about was whether the field defined by the word "medicine" did or did not include fields like homeopathy, osteopathy, naturopathy, acupuncture, etc. We are much too polite to fight over RfD matters. DCDuring TALK 21:47, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Exactly the discussion that led to the dispute on Wikipedia. After a while we "negotiatied" that it did, but only if the profession provided "hands-on" clinical healing to the level that the average Joe would condier to be a "doctor" :-) Fr33kman talk APW 23:57, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

 * These still devolve to a SOP argument: is [[medical student]] intrinsically different from  [[medical]]  [[student]]? I submit it is not. - Amgine/talk 21:31, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I hadn't considered that perspective before. If medical student is merely sum of parts, then a person studying pharmacology would be a "medical student", but that is not usually the case.  So, the word seems not to be merely the sum of its parts and merits an entry on that basis. --EncycloPetey 00:02, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm not totally sold on that. I think a pharmacology student who says "I study medicine" is either lying, joking, or not a native speaker; medicine is a specific field, and while pharmacologists deal with medicine s, that's not the same thing. Now, you can ask why medicine→medical but not medicines→medical, but that quirk isn't specific to "medical student"; the same applies to "medical intern", "medical doctor", "medical textbook", "medical practice", and so on, and therefore needs to be documented at [[medical]]. —Ruakh TALK 00:32, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I'd only say that a pharmacy student in my hospital has "student pharmacist" on their IDs; a nursing student has "Student Nurse" and a physiotherapy student's ID has "student physiotherapist". In each case it is the intention of the hospital to convey a "title" upon the student: preliminary though it might be. Student doctor, is not used because its use is controversial. Whilst its use is permitted by the individual student and many students are introduced to patients and addressed by doctors as such. Patients, and thus the public perhaps, know students as "medical students". Indeed further argument could be gained by the fact that the government address them as "medical students", their professional associations address them thus, and the regulatory bodies do likewise. However, Oxford doesn't directly have an entry for the term, but does recognize its usage as

 * ' " 2. a. A person who is undergoing a course of study and instruction at a university or other place of higher education or technical training. Also const. of, in (a subject); often with defining word prefixed, as art, law, medical student. "  (If that link doesn't work or if my use of a quotation is not allowed or incorrect, would someone kindly remove it?)

 * Fr33kman talk APW 01:31, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I'd submit that it is different. The term medical student denotes a student doctor and no other possible person whatsoever. I'm not an expert in "words" but the fact that these people are addressed and introduced to patients and colleagues as such makes me wonder if this has become essentially, "a word". It's irrelevant to the discussion really (I am still UNINVOLVED and it's only come up because of the dispute), but on my hospital ID card it entitles me as a "medical student" as does every other ID for student doctors in the UK. Every piece of paper I get from professional sources calls me a "medical student" Fr33kman talk APW 23:52, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

 * The special organizational status of "medical student" would not, in itself, lead us have an entry. We would need three citations from durably archived sources that illustrate the usage, but I'd bet they would be found. I wonder whether there will be/already has been a time when a "medical student" could be studying "alternative medicine". DCDuring TALK 00:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

 * You know? Discussion here is much more intelligent, ahh, interesting! I've not done the research, but I'd say that medical student has almost always been associated with the schools of allopathy and osteopathy: DOs in the US and a few locations elsewhere that is. I'd say that it has always held the meaning of a person training to be a physician (even if they later become a surgeon). I'd also say (given my study of the history of alternative medicine), that there may have been a time during the late 18th century or early 19th century where students of alternative medicine (as we entitle it today) might have been referred to as medical students. I'd have to do the research. Fr33kman talk APW 01:31, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

 * 1, 2,3... these each are referring to students of Ayurvedic medicine as medical students. It seems to me that any student of any traditional healthcare philosophy other than holistic care models tends to be called a "medical student" - at least in English texts. - Amgine/talk 18:58, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't we theoretically have a cooccurent/coordinate terms section accounted for in WT:ELE that can deal with this in a clean and simple way?? Circeus 23:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:three-fourths

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Is this an adjective? Same questions for three-quarters. Conrad.Irwin 19:19, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

The both seem like nouns, but SoP nouns: three + - + fourths. I'm less certain about it in "three-fourths part", where it seems like an adjective or some more recent grammatical category. I haven't even looked to see whether there's supposed to be an apostrophe in this last. DCDuring TALK 04:20, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

 * When hyphenated they are typically used as adjectives. I'd agree that such constructions are SoP in English.  However, I think we might want to make an exception and include one-fourth and three-fourths (and the associated "-quarters") as entries because of their extremely high frequency in English relative to all other such fractions. --EncycloPetey 05:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Emprically, based on the first 100 visible usages on bgc, "three fourths" is always a noun, as expected. "three-fourths" is used both as adjective and noun. Of the noun usage, "three-fouirths" is more common than "three fourths". High frequency seems like a meaningful consideration, but is not part of WT:CFI. It probably should be. Vote? DCDuring TALK 12:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Wouldn't it be an adverb too, as in “three-fourths full of water”?

 * Should we set some arbitrary limit on fractions, or find attributions for each one? Carpenters and mechanics might regularly use thirteen thirty-seconds and twelve one hundreths.

 * I'd be in favor of using a slight modification the same standards we have for cardinal numerals. That is, allow all one-unit fractions from half to hundredth (half, third, fourth, fifth, .. ninety-ninth, hundredth) and allow their plurals as well.  For fractions smaller than hundredth, allow thousandth, millionth, etc.  Note that all of these words (except half) will also be ordinal numbers in addition to being fractional numbers.  The biggest differences in grammar between the fractions and ordinals are: (1) fractions have common plural forms, whereas the plurals of ordinals are rarely encountered (except "firsts", which is reasonably common), (2) fractions can be used adverbially to modify adjectives (as noted above), in addition to having the ordinal numerical properties of functioning as either a noun or adjective, and functioning adverbially with a verb (He finished second in the race).

 * I also think we should allow two-thirds and three-fourths / three-quarters, but no other multiples of unit fractions. --EncycloPetey 04:48, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Numeral
Is it not also a numeral, as is two-thirds? --Backinstadiums (talk) 10:19, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, in fact more common than three fourths per . --Dan Polansky (talk) 11:23, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

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kelim

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 * 1) kilim type of oriental carpet

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 * kelim-matto

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 * 1)  seam folded back and stitched piece of fabric

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 * 1)  seam folded back and stitched piece of fabric

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Talk:sottish

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There seem to be a few more sense kicking around. This is mainly a reminder to me to come back and define them, but anyone else is free to. Conrad.Irwin 23:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * There's the sense of foolish that's easy to see. Added, with King James Bible quote. --Jackofclubs 17:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:corporomental

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I was looking for a Latinate æquivalent of used in English, but all I found were three books that used the Spanish term. Now, I don’t speak Spanish at all, but I decided to give it a shot nonetheless, so I created an entry for a word, guessing the meaning from the etymology. I could very likely be totally wrong; I’m curious to know. I hope the fact that I added three citations outweighs the effort that must now be expended in cleaning up the mess I’ve made…  :-S   †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 23:53, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

 * It's not in either of my Spanish-English dictionaries, nor in the Spanish and Spanish-English dictionaries I usually turn to online (DRAE, wordreference.com Spanish, wordreference.com Spanish-English). Going from the quotations, I don't think it means "psychosomatic"; I think you've identified the right components, but semantically they seem to fit together a bit differently somehow. I've added translations of the quotations (which other editors will hopefully improve), so you can judge for yourself. —Ruakh TALK 02:28, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree. The 2007 cite kinda fits, but the other two don’t support the meaning of . Glad to know I got the etymology pretty much right (not that it was a particularly difficult challenge). Thanks for seeing to this; I didn’t know you could speak Spanish… †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 02:54, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I’ve just now added a pronunciation too; I gave it as:, seeing as I read that , , , , and were based on the pronunciations of their Spanish counterparts. Is this correct, or is Spanish phonology nowhere near as straight-forward as I thought it was? †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 03:00, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

 * It's more accurately transcribed as . I put the secondary stress in parentheses because I'm not sure if it in fact ought to be there. Note that dental /n/ may not be phonemic but rather allophonic, but I included it in the transcription all the same. I'll make the changes to the IPA on the entry page, as well. Anyone who would like to remove the secondary stress may do so there.--El aprendelenguas 03:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

 * It doesn't mean "psychosomatic" (the usual word for that is psicosomático:). From the citations it just seems to mean "mental", or more specifically "having bodily presence in the mind", but I'm having trouble thinking of a good English translation..  Ƿidsiþ 07:04, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * On second thoughts, perhaps these quotations are quasi-nonces more indicative of a general "body and mind" conjunction, best translated into English with something like physico-mental:. Ƿidsiþ 07:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes, I think you're right. —Ruakh TALK 13:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Nota that I have created an entry for its plural form,, as well; it may need attention. †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 00:16, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:fortyish

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I've added fortyish here - dictionary.com said it was an adjective, but I am not sure. I'd put it as a simple cardinal number and possible even a noun. Also the word fortysomething could also be used as the same part of speech --Jackofclubs 17:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, clearly, there's scope for twentyish, thirtyish, fiftyish, sixtyish, seventyish, eightyish, ninetyish etc. ... in theory oneish, twoish, threeish....two-hundredish etc. --Jackofclubs 17:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Above "(i.e. there are fortysomething people in the room)": I'm unfamiliar with the likes of "fortysomething" as an adjective preceeding its object like this, 'though as a noun (see entry fortysomething) it rings true. "Fortysome" as an adjective and its ilk are more common in my hometown speech (Appalachian SW Virginia Blue Ridge Mts.). Twentyish, thirtyish, etc. sound familiar to me. As an aside: An art professor at Virginia Tech (ca. 1963) decried words like "yellowish" or "redish brown", the "ish" being imprecise. Wayne Roberson, Austin, Texas 01:12, 17 September 2008 (UTC) (9-16-08, 8:11pm CDT)

 * Can't we just make do with the various suffixes that go with numbers, like -ish, -odd, -some, and -something? I'm not sure that they are worthwhile as headwords, though it would be nice if a seach for the terms found a relevant related entry thirtysomething et al. as "Derived terms" of thirty. DCDuring TALK 02:07, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The discussion I was thinking of: Talk:be. DCDuring TALK 13:41, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Age
Is the age sense really separate from the "about 40; roughly 40" sense? Mglovesfun (talk) 12:54, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

 * I don't see how. It simply tends to be used that way most often, but the same goes for dozen: and eggs. Equinox ◑ 12:55, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * In fact it could be interpreted as a cardinal number anyway; like 'he is three'. Do we have separate senses for one, two, three (etc.) specifically to deal with age? Mglovesfun (talk) 12:57, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Didn't we address this for some other entry already? "The [temperature|barometer] is [30|thirty]." and numerous others are examples of this use of cardinal numbers. DCDuring TALK 13:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

RFV
Rfv-sense: cardinal. —msh210℠ (talk) 06:59, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:35, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Cited, I think. DCDuring TALK 15:24, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Nicely. Thanks much. (Sorry: I hate when people RFV things without first Googling around a bit. In my defense, it looked like this would have been removed without the benefit of an RFV (see and Mg's comment above), so posting here without Googling was IMO preferable to doing nothing, and I hadn't the time to search thoroughly.) RFV passed. —msh210℠ (talk) 15:37, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If you aren't in the mood to check in advance, you should still put uncited stuff that doesn't smell right here for attention, IMO. I wasn't so sure about this one myself. DCDuring TALK 16:35, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Hants

Tea room discussion
Should this be capitalised at Hants (or even Hants.)? --Borganised 11:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Indeed. I moved it. It had been converted to lower case by a bot long ago. I couldn't find evidence of its use in lower case. Perhaps it is spelled that way, too. We left-ponders need the upper case entry for snail mail, though the entry needs at least a link to Hampshire or Hampshire.
 * I think we have adopted the standard of not necessarily having the period following an abbreviation, in line with more modern European practice. It would make like simpler for us not to have "alternative spelling" entries for abbreviations that differed only by the presence or absence of a period. DCDuring TALK 12:25, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Hantum or Hamtun?
Is it possible that our source made a transposition error by typing Hantum instead of Hamtun? Metathesis happens, but it seems it would be unusual if the second element of the name was the familiar -tun meaning town. Of course, we dont explicitly say that the -tun part means town, but we imply it on our Hampshire page by simply not mentioning it and saying the name comes from ham + shire. And apart from Hampton being a well-known name on its own, Old English indeed means town. This looks like quite a tangled mess, so I will look into this before I go to the ES or anywhere else. — Soap — 13:08, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

I think a shift of /mps/ > /nts/ is plausible enough given that it's a placename people would have said over and over. As for ham, it might be "home". So the placename would be "home town shire" taken at face value. But the first part is just speculation, since it could as well be that there was some preexisting placename Hām that only by happenstance coalesced with the word for home. — Soap — 13:12, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Noting that it would actually seem to be /mt/ > /nt/, which is equally plausible if not more so, although it also implies a separate loss of the original /n/.— Soap — 14:25, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:fonosimbolo

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I'm struggling to translate the Italian word fonosimbolo. It is roughly an interjection e.g. one dictionary describes brr as a fonosimbolo. Its Italian definition translates (also with difficulty) as "A phonic event that may be formed by sounds outside of the phonetic or morphic language to which it belongs and that is able to evoke its meaning in a relatively immediate manner to speakers of a language community". Any ideas? SemperBlotto 10:11, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Onomatopoeia? --Una Smith 03:36, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Italian Wikipedia has fonosimbolismo, which links to sound symbolism on English Wikipedia. --Una Smith 03:40, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

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ambulatio

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 * 1) a walk, stroll
 * 2) a place for walking; promenade, walk, portico

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Talk:Heath Robinson

Tea room discussion
I would like to make some kind of entry for Heath Robinson There are a lot of examples out there, but they are mainly in the form Heath Robinson-style contraption or Heath Robinson-esque and so on. Although I did come across:- ''I like the discipline of harvesting the rainwater, Heath Robinson fashion. The sheet of corrugated plastic I have used to catch the rain is not an aesthetic arrangement, but you can get away with murder in the line of growing to eat.'' Any suggestions for a good way to treat this one? -- A LGRIF  talk 14:51, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's an idiom implying quickly hacked together. I use it as in "Isn't that a bit Heath Robinson?". Not sure exactly how to format the entry. Conrad.Irwin 14:57, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I've given it a go. SemperBlotto 15:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey, there's no Rube Goldberg, or Goldbergian. —Michael Z. 2008-09-21 15:49 z

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Talk:Alzheimer's disease

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On English Wikipedia, today's Featured Article is Alzheimer's disease. One of the questions that has come up concerns the eggcorn "oldtimer's disease". I am wondering if Wiktionary folks would be interested to search for early uses of that phrase? --Una Smith 02:59, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Seems to have first wandered into print around 1985, becoming popular in the late 80s and 90s. . -- Visviva 07:30, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks for that. It doesn't occur in any folk etymology studies?  --Una Smith 03:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Not that I can find, although it would seem like a logical target for any linguist studying eggcorns. It's OR or No-R, I'm afraid. -- Visviva 08:14, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Please explain "OR or No-R". --Una Smith 04:54, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Sorry... "original research" or "no research" (i.e. nothing). As you probably know, original research is anathema on Wikipedia, but we are compelled to allow a certain limited amount of it here.  Of course, it is possible that there is a scholarly treatment of this phrase somewhere; I wouldn't be surprised if there was, but my cursory check didn't show any sign of one. -- Visviva 08:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:thank one's lucky stars

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A few things on this one: First, concerning the move I did, is the current title correct? Secondly, and relatedly, is the inflection correct? It all seems to work except for the third person bit....what should be done there? Finally the etymology. Does anyone know about this, or have some sources they could check? I have no idea, nor do I have usable sources, but it does seem plausible. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 01:37, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Ancient and primitive peoples didn't speak English; and belief (or nominal belief) in astrology is still fairly widespread even today. If Shakespeare can write of a "pair of star-cross'd lovers", then I think the etymology is too vague. —Ruakh TALK 02:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:netty

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(Please note I put a reference section on this piece as the text has cites.)

Hello, we have a two party disagreement on the Geordie page between me (toasty874) and [|Sigurd the dragon slayor] (Sigurd the Dragon Slayor if my link fails ). You can see a detailed discussion on Sigurds page, look for the toilet talk sub heading, as a Netty is a toilet. (It is of note that there is even more discussion about the netty on his page, but this is from earlier edits -7. His Sig, and downward- that were done weeks before this one.)

I requested a third party, and a third party suggested I come here as you specialise in etymology.

He (Sigmund) recently put in an edit to this text,

However gabbinetto is the Romanic modern Italian diminutive of gabbia, which actually derives from the Latin cavea ("hollow", "cavity", "enclosure") the root of the loanwords that became the Modern English cave, cage, and gaol.

Over five edits on the Geordie page.

So the text would look like this

The geordie word netty, meaning a toilet and place of need and necessity for relief  or bathroom,   has an uncertain origin, though some have theorised that it may come from slang used by Roman soldiers on Hadrian's Wall, which may have later become gabinetti in the Romanic Italian language (Such as this article about the Westoe Netty, the subject of a famous painting from Bob Olley. Another article about the Westoe Netty is featured here ). However gabbinetto is the Modern Italian diminutive of gabbia, which actually derives from the Latin cavea ("hollow", "cavity", "enclosure") the root of the loanwords that became the Modern English cave, cage, and gaol. Thus, another explanation would be that it comes from a Modern Romanic Italian form of the word gabinetti. Though only a, relatively, small number of Italians have migrated to the North of England, mostly during the 19th century.

Some etymologists connect the word netty to the Modern English word needy. John Trotter Brockett, writing in 1829 in his ''A glossary of north country words... , claims that the etymon of netty (and it's related form neddy) is the Modern English needy and need''

Bill Griffiths, in A Dictionary of North East Dialect points to the earlier form, the Old English níd; he writes thusly "MS locates a possible early ex. "Robert Hovyngham sall make... at the other end of his house a knyttyng" York 1419, in which case the root could be OE níd 'neccesary'".

Another related word, nessy is thought (by Griffiths) to derive from the Modern English "neccesary".

Using the material he put in (that is concerned with Gabbi) I edited the text even more, he had a problem with it and reverted.

I reedited with more detail and restructured the piece, kept my detail in he took out and reordered the piece into three thinking points, and Sigurd reverted. (The article has three thinking points: Thinking point one is the O.E origin from necassary. Thinking point two is from an italian migration where netty is a contamination of gabinetti. Thinking point three is about a shared latin root between Gabi-netti and Geordie Netty, which highlights a latin parent route that is not contaminated)

To baby feed my restructuring I will put in bold how I reorganised the thinking points, though note I’m not using this Baby feed term to insult anyone here:

The geordie word netty, meaning a toilet   , a place of need and necessity for relief,    bathroom,     has an uncertain origin,

Thinking point 1: Some etymologists connect the word netty to the Modern English word needy. John Trotter Brockett, writing in 1829 in his ''A glossary of north country words... , suggests that the etymon of netty (and it's related form neddy'') is the Modern English needyand need

Bill Griffiths, in A Dictionary of North East Dialect points to an earlier form, the Old English níd, he writes thusly "MS locates a possible early ex. "Robert Hovyngham sall make... at the other end of his house a knyttyng" York 1419, in which case the root could be OE níd 'neccesary'".

Another related word, nessy is thought (by Griffiths) to derive from the Modern English "neccesary".

Thinking point 2: However gabbinetto is the Romanic modern Italian diminutive of gabbia, which actually derives from the Latin cavea ("hollow", "cavity", "enclosure") the root of the loanwords that became the Modern English cave, cage, and gaol. So an explanation could be that the term netty comes directly from the Romanic Italian form of the word gabinetti. Though only a, relatively, small number of Italians have migrated to the North of England, mostly during the 19th century. Making this possibility more inert, and keeping the roots of the Geordie Netty and Italian gabinetti separated on different descending paths from what can only be the shared Latin parent.

Thinking point 3: It is theorised, Netty, using the passage of Latin roots that it may have come from Latin slang used by Roman soldiers on Hadrian's Wall, which may have later in a separate root become gabinetti in the descending Romanic Italian language after the Roman occupation from AD 43 to 410 (Such as this article about the Westoe Netty, the subject of a famous painting from Bob Olley. and this article on the famous Westoe Netty origin and restoration. ) and which may have become the adjective  netti in Italian and the verb  nettoyer in French.

Concentrating on the two roots in gabi-netti/gabi-netto(Toilet/toilets) separate root passage, with the Italian migration thinking inert, thus making the Geordie '' netty' and gabinetti roots separated. We can see a shared meaning, that happened, "despite" root separation through lack of regional Romanic migration since AD 410.

Gabbi: in gabi-netti/gabi-netto (toilet/toilets), is the Romanic Italian  diminutive of  gabbia, which derives from the Roman Latin cavea ("hollow", "cavity", "enclosure") the root of the loanwords  that also became the Modern English  cave, cage, and gaol

Nett: In French, another later Romanic language, like Italian et al, the verb  nettoyer means to wipe. And in Romanic Italian the adjective  netti, means to clean. Signifying the root of Nett, in gabi-netti,  nettoyer, Roman slang Netti/Netty and Geordie netty, goes back to Roman times. If weighting using separated Roman Latin roots; Nett/Net it can be argued ‘ "Nett" been historically used as a place and a process for basic human hygiene, refreshment and relief, to wipe clean since at least the Roman times.

It is off interest the Italian netto/ netti, the French word net, the English word neat, the Spanish word nítido are all share phonographic sounding, similar to netty and all these words are root related to the Latin niti-dus which also means to clean, shine and polish.

Putting Gabbi, which is derived from the Roman Latin cavea ("hollow", "cavity", "enclosure"), and putting it with with the Latin Root of nett, (found in nettoyer, netty and gabinetti et al) we can elucidate more using the Romanic Gabi-netti. Using its Roman Latin roots we can see highlighted an outside Roman toilet, with a cavity, hollow, and convenience to refresh away from the dwellings for hygiene, which later became an inside toilet enclosure when the technology became available. The same way the Geordie netty, which came from a separate root, came from Latin following AD 410.

He (Sigmund) reverted the above using vague reasoning, and ignoring the fact I used his recent edited text about Gabbia to partially help expand thinking point three (which might actually invalidate his reasoning, and his original edit, for thinking point two seen here:   ). Now when he reverted I knew this might lead to an edit war. So rather than go for an edit war I went for a third opinion, and they sent me here.

Now I see nothing wrong with my reediting. I respected his recent edit of:

However gabbinetto is the Romanic modern Italian diminutive of gabbia, which actually derives from the Latin cavea ("hollow", "cavity", "enclosure") the root of the loanwords that became the Modern English cave, cage, and gaol..

His (Sigurds) edit which is concerned with thinking point 2.

My reedit, which revolves around point three, and a little touch up of point two using a cite, does not conclude anything, it merely expands on the etymology, adds more logic, adding more links and even adds dates, it uses one more cite (that highlights root separation since 410AD), than his recent reedit of concern.

I was wondering what you lot think of the differences in edits? What should be done here? Is my edit wrong? Does something need restructured etc?

Thank you to all who suggest and look into this.

Again for reference you can go to Sigurds talk page

--Toasted874 08:32, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:aggravated assault

Tea room discussion
Should we have a list of senses, one for each different definition used in some jurisdiction?—msh210 ℠ 22:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a separate subpage for statutory definitions? I would find this to be a dubious proposition in the main entry, as there are many words which are defined in statutes for particular purposes. I can think of a half dozen federal statutes offhand that have distinct definitions of "employee", whether it be for tax purposes, labor relations, ownership of intellectual property generated in the line of work, etc. Doubtless state statutes are legion on this point. bd2412 T 23:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Black's doesn't give an exhaustive list or table of definitions, but has one main definition and a select few definitions from statute or case. An appendix would seem the right place for anything that was trying to be more comprehensive or particular. It would provide a good basis for the main definition or definitions if there were clear classes of definitions. DCDuring TALK 23:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Are the legal definitions so diverse that different senses are required? Doesn't it mean “assault with wounding or endangerment of life” everywhere? “Varying in definition by jurisdiction” is redundant, because it applies to every single legal term in the world.

 * If the everyday meaning substantially differs regionally, then yes we should provide different senses.

 * But isn't legal dictionary out of scope for Wiktionary? I don't think we should be duplicating or summarizing statute, or writing encyclopedic articles about it. —Michael Z. 2008-09-25 00:29 z

 * "Law" is one of the contexts that we support, like "computing" or "finance" or "physics". Existing definition seems SoP, though we do not have the right sense of aggravated (but see aggravation). It is incomplete, however, omitting situations where the assault is committed in the course of another crime or is especially heinous. A more complete definition would seem not so SoP. DCDuring TALK 00:47, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose the thing to do would be to use the definition in the Model Penal Code, which is the collective work of a group of top experts in criminal law and is fairly widely adopted. The MPC states as follows:
 * (2) Aggravated Assault. A person is guilty of aggravated assault if he:
 * (a) attempts to cause serious bodily injury to another, or causes such injury purposely, knowingly or recklessly under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life; or
 * (b) attempts to cause or purposely or knowingly causes bodily injury to another with a deadly weapon.
 * That would be the best "legal" definition to use, in my opinion. Cheers! bd2412 T 04:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. I've changed it to that and added a usage note. Comments/reversion welcome.—msh210 ℠ 16:47, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

 * It's left out the serious injury clause. If that is added, then it ought to apply in Canada, too. —Michael Z. 2008-09-25 17:34 z

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ambulatiuncula

Etymology
Diminutive from, from.

Noun

 * 1) short walk
 * 2) small place for walking

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Talk:lamb chop

Tea room discussion
Is lamb chop sum of parts? It's a chop from a lamb. (I'm never sure about these things.) RJFJR 01:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I'd say yes, along with pork chop and veal chop, considering the definition of chop (1). We just happen to say steak instead of beef chop. —Michael Z. 2008-09-26 06:33 z

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Talk:dry eye

Tea room discussion
Is there scope for an entry like not a dry eye or to not be a dry eye, because it is quite a common expression e.g. in "there wasn't a dry eye in the theatre, because she made such an emotional performance." (i.e. everybody was weeping). I started one up at dry eye, but it could do with improvement. --Jackofclubs 18:26, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

 * It is a troublesome variable expression. ("-n't" or "not" or "not [verb phrase]" or "scarcely" or "hardly", etc.) ("a dry eye in the") ("house" or "theater" or "room", etc.). There are also forms with the plural "dry eyes". Usage notes and examples of the main variants at dry eye might be the best we can do. DCDuring TALK 12:28, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes, it seems to be a negative polarity item. —Ruakh TALK 15:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I wonder whether that concept would be helpful in cleaning up some of our entries that include the word "not", though other negative words are commonly substituted. DCDuring TALK 17:02, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:least

Tea room discussion
It states this is a comparative of little. Surely a superlative? --Jackofclubs 10:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * superlative, yes. The whole bunch of little, littler, lesser, less, littlest, and least could do with an overhaul, to say the least ;-) -- A LGRIF  talk 13:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Obsolete form of lest?
Our ety 2 says "(informal, nonstandard) at least", with a hidden comment saying "according to CGEL". But see this blog post discussing lest, which quotes Ralph Austen's Treatise of Fruit Trees (1653): "All the danger is least we take too much liberty herein." They call it a variant spelling of lest. (Obsolete by now of course!) Equinox ◑ 23:59, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

least little thing
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/least+little+thing --Backinstadiums (talk) 16:22, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

at the least
at least 2. at any rate; in any case: You didn't get a good grade, but at least you passed the course. Also, at the least. https://www.wordreference.com/definition/least --Backinstadiums (talk) 11:19, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

the least said, the better
The less/least said, the better --Backinstadiums (talk) 15:30, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

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Wiktionary:Tea room/2008/October

=October=

wathe
I have always thought this word to mean

a.) verb- to saunter in a rainstorm i.e.) After we went watheing for a while, we decided it best to go home and dry off

b.) noun- a walk where one becomes wet/soaked with rain  i.e.) She and I embraced during our wathe.

Now there has been discussion that the word "wathe" comes from latin derivitives meaning "moist" and "walk". Others beleive it be from current mixture of modern colloquialisms pertaining to wash and bathe.

What are your thoughts?

 * The word doesn't seem to exist. It's not in the Oxford English Dictionary Online, nor in any of the dictionaries at onelook.com, nor in UrbanDictionary; and Google Web Search and Google Book Search don't turn anything up on a cursory look-through. If it does exist, then I'd hazard that it's probably quite new, and therefore more likely a blend of walk: and bathe: than any sort of Latinism. —Ruakh TALK 01:26, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

 * You probably meant wade. H. (talk) 10:06, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

 * There are words spelled something like that that mean "ford", "path", "harm, injury" that are UK dialect, or Old English, or Middle English. I haven't yet found something closer to what you have heard. Where would you have heard or read it? DCDuring TALK 12:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I would think that the ford meaning is the most likely derivation (still retained in some northern UK place-names), because one could get very wet from using these crossings (these days it is just my car that gets wet). Your usage seems like a transferred meaning from this sense of wath, but I can't find it recorded anywhere.    D b f  i  r  s   09:40, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

need help
to get around something _ _ _ _ _ _ _ E N T  What is it?

 * We have an entry for get around:, and it contains the word you're looking for. —Ruakh TALK 02:57, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

gall
I don’t like the definition of the noun senses 3, 6 and 7 and the verb sense 4. They are sort of derived senses, that fit with the sense of the quotes, but aren’t really explanations of the word ‘gall’ in them itself. H. (talk) 10:03, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Galled, are you? Indeed. Perhaps we need a usage note about the connection between the gall bladder and bile and the various bilous states that galled people according to the psycho-medical theories of the time. Some of the quotes might be better on the citations page. Maybe it is even simpler than that. Gall (noun) means various shades of anger. Gall (verb) means to cause those shades of anger: irk, annoy, exasperate. I think that would allow consolidation of the senses that galled you. DCDuring TALK 12:10, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Gee, there's so many different definitions for this word. I have this as a vocabulary word, and I have no idea which one is the correct definition. Hmm, I wonder which one is most commonly used. 67.233.7.159 14:33, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't like the definition of noun sense 8; noun sense 7 is the same thing except in humans, and stated better. The quotation used for 8 is bizarrely not to the point; was it written by "armchair" horsemen? --Una Smith 05:33, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

co-recursive
I've done some googling and some reading about this, but most of it is just a little bit beyond my grasp. The mathematics of co-algebra seems to be related, and seems to be the study of `recursion` into the depths of a not well-founded set; however I'm not sure how distant the computing definition is. Conrad.Irwin 21:37, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

yeah or ya?
What is the correct spelling for when you want to express happiness, or excitement about something, yeah or ya? I always think of yeah as meaning yes. But ya does not seem correct either?

 * Perhaps yay. DCDuring TALK 12:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

 * As our entry states, yeah: can be an expression of “joy, celebration, glee, etc.” ya: is normally pronounced (rhyming-ish with “the” and with “duh”), whereas ya: is normally pronounced  (rhyming with “la”, “gah”, “saw”, and/or “far”, depending on your form of English). So far as I know, neither sense of ya: is used as an interjection of happiness or excitement. —Ruakh TALK 12:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

 * yahoo: comes to mind...? --Una Smith 03:22, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

tulgey
The current pronunciation given has a soft g, but I've always pronounced this word with a hard g. Similar English words with a soft g end in "-gy", not "-gey" (vide bulgy:, edgy:, argy-bargy:), so my assumption has always been that Lewis Carroll (aware of this) used the "-gey" spelling purposefully.

Ultimately, the question comes down to how people are actually pronouncing the word, but it's not in most dictionaries, so I can't check that way. does anyone have access to audio recordings of Carroll's poem, perhaps through a local library? The only audio source I have at hand to check is the Pythonesque film Jabberwocky, based very loosely on the poem. --EncycloPetey 19:36, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

 * It is in the OED, pronunciation as given. Ƿidsiþ 20:33, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I've always used the hard g. And I am fond of reciting the poem (-). I think it is a matter of personal choice, it is an invented nonce and used by its creator in a written work. (As against, say, "supercalifragi..." which has a canonical pronunciation from the film.) Perhaps we ought to give both alternatives? Robert Ullmann 14:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Carroll does give us guidance in the preface to Through the Looking Glass:
 * The new words, in the poem "Jabberwocky", have given rise to some differences of opinion as to their pronunciation: so it may be well to give instructions on that point also. Pronounce "slithy" as if it were the two words "sly, the": make the "g" hard in "gyre" and "gimble": and pronounce "rath" to rhyme with "bath".
 * but unfortunately does not mention "tulgey" there. There is more in the preface to The Hunting of the Snark, but again not about this specific word. Robert Ullmann 14:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Cubist Capitalized?
Cubist is currently capitalized with a redirect to it at cubism. Does this need to be capitalized? RJFJR 01:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Other OneLook dictionaries almost entirely have cubism and cubist lower case. Usage seems to be both ways. We don't have an easy way to count relative frequencies of upper- and lower-case forms, AFAIK. DCDuring TALK 01:18, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

New word - numberth
This new word "numberth" is like an ordinal number but its value is unknown. It is used as Adjective. When we question it with "what", its real ordinal number position is known and it will indicate its position in the ordered-sequence of numbers. Its known value will be like fourth or fifth, etc. The sequence must be in some order - that may be chronological, or seniority, size, importance, etc, order as per the context of the matter in the question. The word - Numberth doesn't mean "How many?" or "How much?"

Please read the following statements under mentioned.

1. Mr. Kennedy was the 35th president of the USA. 2. I am the fourth child in my family. 3. I am going to see this movie third time. 4. My British uncle is visiting India for the first time. 5. She is his second wife.

The straight-forward questions for the above statements are given below by using the word numberth.

1. What numberth president of the USA is Mr. Kennedy? 2. What numberth child are you in your family? 3. What numberth time are you going to see this movie now? 4. What numberth time is your British uncle visiting India now? 5. What numberth wife is she to him?

Source: Tamil Language Author: Er.S.M.M.Hanifa, Kadayanallur

 * You may be interested in [[Appendix:List of protologisms]]. —Ruakh TALK 12:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Well it seems to already be in use in English, especially in writings about computer programming. From there it might spread. There is a particular usage that has some promise: "For the big-numberth time. ...." I had heard and said "For the nth time (where n is large) ...." repeating a phrase common in mathematical proofs. It is somewhat natural so I am almost surprised that it hasn't appeared in dialogue, supposedly spoken by a child or an uneducated native speaker. DCDuring TALK 13:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

chase a rainbow
I'd like to add this expression but need the help of a native speaker. What is the correct form: chase a rainbow or chasing a rainbow, what is the POS: idiom or verb? Thanks. --Panda10 12:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

 * It is a verb - should be tagged with

greatest thing since sliced bread
Claims it is "sometimes used sarcastically". Any more so than other phrases in English? --Jackofclubs 15:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Probably not, but hard to document one way or the other. I think such comments about the "tone" of an expression almost always belong in Usage notes, if anywhere. The assumption that the "tone" in which an expression is used in one's own cultural reference group is worth recording seems common. DCDuring TALK 12:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Doesn't seem particularly meaningful here, at least barring evidence disproving that every expression is sometimes used sarcastically. I just don't think “sometimes” is a useful context label. —Michael Z. 2008-10-07 13:43 z

 * I agree with your specific point. "Sometimes" is usually a low-value word in an entry, particularly a definition. Words like "rarely" and "usually" communicate something for such a phenomenon whereas "sometimes" does not. DCDuring TALK 15:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I've commented out the "sarcastically" bit. --Jackofclubs 17:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Wroclaw
How should English-speakers pronounce this? --Borganised 08:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * "Any way that others will understand," is the short answer. According to the Cambridge Pronouncing Dictionary, the UK pronunciation is, but they don't use the inverted "r"  or its variants in their transcriptions. --EncycloPetey 23:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that sounds about normal. Often these days the /l/ is pronounced Polski-stylee as /w/.  Ƿidsiþ 11:25, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

 * NOAD gives . Interestingly, it gives the English spelling as Wrocław only, with the slash-el, and Breslau is defined as the German name. —Michael Z. 2008-10-09 16:20 z

Santana wind
The Santa Ana mountians lie east of the southern California LA basin. Most of the year the prevailing winds in Southern California are from the west. Winds that emanate over the ocean bring a cooling effect to the area but bring with them the negative effect of keeping the smog "locked" in the basin. Occasionally high pressure systems center to the east of the area causing the winds to reverse their normal pattern. The winds then blow from the east (the hotter desert area)over the Santa Ana Mountains, through the basin and out to sea. The result is clean, hot,dry windy conditions known as "The Santa Anas". This brings in hot weather and clean air and results in high fire danger in many areas. --Tclavey 08:30, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

In the Etymology section of this entry is a purported Spanish term "vientos de Sanatanas", for which the translation "Satan's winds" has been given. Spanish is not a language of mine, but cursory search suggests that "Satanas" would be the word. The spelling gets to the plausibility of Santana wind vs. Santa Ana wind. "Sant' Ana" is my favorite etymology, based on not much. DCDuring TALK 23:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * "Santana" is a common Spanish abbrev. of Santa Ana, and I'm sure that's the source of this term. I think the Spanish given here is probably just a mistake, since the Spanish Wikipedia article calls the phenomenon Vientos de Santa Ana.  Ƿidsiþ 11:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Random House and MW3 (print}, the only two that have Santana or Santana wind, both favor the contraction etymology. To me this seems settled, not really disputable. The only authoritative sources that have spoken on the subject come to a conclusion that seems to fit the data I can find and a linguistically simple, unromantic conclusion. OTOH, Santana wind and probably santana/Santana seem fairly common usage and should remain or be added. DCDuring TALK 20:34, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I just realized that another entry I looked seemed to illustrate a somewhat similar phenomenon: San Diego < "Santa Iago". I want to tread carefully because evidently folks in Southern California get very excited about this. The first thing is to get the "satanic winds" etymology handled appropriately. The earliest News cites call it the "Santa Ana wind", but date only back to the early 20th century. I (or the entries) could use a little help from someone with some Spanish. DCDuring TALK 14:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Leo
What is someone born in Leo called? i.e. Sagittarian is to Sagittarius as ???? is to Leo? --Borganised 11:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Rather disappointingly, it seems to stay unchanged. "I'm a Leo" etc.  You would expect "Leonine" but it does not appear to be used in this way.  Ƿidsiþ 11:30, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I've found Leonian actually - but thanks for pointing me in the right direction. --Borganised 11:38, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

malagrable
I know zilch about Esperanto. This entry translates itself as unagreeably. Does this word exist? (537 raw google hits) Or should the entry be modified to disagreeably? -- A LGRIF  talk 15:42, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Unagreeable is in a few dictionaries. unagreeably is in one. They both look citable. Disagreeable is vastly more common. Though disagreeable is a synonym of unagreeable in Webster 1913, the sense of "disagreement" between or among people seems to leave room for unagreeable, meaning something more like distasteful or unpleasant. There were a large number of occurrences of "not unagreeably", BTW. To me the word has an old-fashioned sound. I have no idea what the Esparanto nuance is supposed to be. DCDuring TALK 16:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Hot or spicy?
I've been asked about the difference between hot and spicy and I have answered that they are synonyms. I've found, though, a text saying that a meal was hot and spicy. Are there any differences in their meanings? Thanks.

See hot and spicy. DCDuring TALK 21:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC) Also see hot. DCDuring TALK 21:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

 * But basically, not all spices are hot. A spicy hot cross bun would have lots of cinnamon for example. SemperBlotto 22:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

 * To me, spicy usually means “hot” (as in pungent, peppery, piquant), but sometimes also means “spiced, fragrant, or aromatic” thanks to spices and herbs. In contrast, sweets are more often called spiced or spice in combination (e.g. spice cake), rather than spicy.  I think the set phrase hot and spicy makes it clear that one means hot of taste, not in temperature, and may also imply both kinds of spicy. —Michael Z. 2008-10-09 22:33 z

See also hendiadys. —Ruakh TALK 20:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

blinde Passagier
This is the inflected form. Is there any reason it's there instead of at the non-inflected form, blinder Passagier? -- Prince Kassad 22:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

pundant
An IP has just created this as a redirect to pundit. 1. It might well be a real word and 2. I don't think it means pundit. Opinions please. -- A LGRIF  talk 14:56, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Seems to be a misspelling of both pundit and pedant - I have already deleted the redirect. SemperBlotto 15:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

 * The bgc hits were mostly scannos or French, with one possible nautical exception. There was one misspelling there of "pundit", 5 on news, 2 on Scholar, a long way from a common one, though there was a mention that complained about "pundit" being pronounced "pundant" on US TV. DCDuring TALK 18:28, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

No-Mates
A request for Brits: Why are people with no mates called Billy? Maybe we should have a page Billy No-Mates too. --Jackofclubs 09:54, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've waited a while to see if anyone responded. Basically because I have never come across this before, and I've lived in all 4 corners of UK. -- A LGRIF  talk 08:56, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

 * OK, I will respond then! Yes, this is pretty common.  I have heard it lots--I used to think it was a kind of playground slang, rbut recently I've heard from people of all ages.  I don't know why it's Billy no-mates rather than any other name, but there you go.  It does have a certain ring to it.  Also, see here for a not-very-convincing trace of the word to 1996.  Ƿidsiþ 09:52, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm sure I heard this long before 1996, as I think I remember it from primary school in the mid-late 1980s. Thryduulf 15:05, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed, a quick google has found it in a usenet post from December 1994 . And a books hit implies that it was used in the 1990 book "The psychology of consumer behavior", but this doesn't seem to be indexed online anywhere. The hits do seem to confirm though that it is typically a children's phrase. Thryduulf 15:20, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Prince Albert
Would a Prince Albert be classed as jewlery? --Jackofclubs 08:19, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Only if you wear it in a way that people can see it. (Were you thinking of doing so?) SemperBlotto 15:41, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

 * A Prince Albert is a piercing, like a pierced ear or nose. You can wear jewellery in it, but it isn't jewellery itself, or that's how I would see it.  Ƿidsiþ 15:53, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Agree with Widsith. This is a type of piercing, not a type of jewelry, as illustrated by the price list from my favourite piercing parlour.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 19:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * {What the hell is an Apadravya? Ƿidsiþ 07:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC))

taxi!
I just read http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24486511-2,00.html and was wondering: why would you call “Taxi!” if you hear someone breaking a glass? Maybe someone can add that usage? H. (talk) 15:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I doubt it's a different sense; it seems to imply that if a glass breaks, someone may have had too much to drink, and they need a taxi. sewnmouthsecret 15:37, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

To fraud
Does the word 'to fraud' exist ? It is mentioned in my English workbook, but I can't find it in a dictionary. Shouldn't it be 'to defraud' ? Thanks! Vin 17:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

 * To defraud is correct. —Michael Z. 2008-10-14 18:56 z

 * "To fraud" exists, but is definitely not preferred, not appearing in current dictionaries. It appears occasionally in some fictional dialogue, older print works, and some technical and legal works. Much better avoided. DCDuring TALK 19:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

 * The Oxford English Dictionary (OED} confirms that "to fraud" is an obsolete verb meaning "to defraud." The most recent quotation the OED provides for this sense is dated 1623. -- WikiPedant 19:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

what you call someone with a large vocabulary
I need to know what the word is that defines someone with a very large vocabulary

 * Clever?? -- But seriously, I don't think there is one single word that means that exactly, although I'm sure one of my learned colleagues will soon put me straight. -- A LGRIF  talk 08:53, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No - inteligence has nothing to do with it. The obvious answer is adult - most adults have an enormous vocabulary. But if you mean "much larger than average" - I suppose literate comes reasonable close. If you find such a person, they will probably know what the word is! SemperBlotto 08:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Mr Ammon Shea could help (see this). Duncan MacCall 09:30, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm guessing you've seen that Marilyn vos Savant recently addressed this in her column, without finding an answer? —Ruakh TALK 12:22, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Shakespearean would be a possibility. He had about 29,000 words at the last count. (I jest, of course) -- A LGRIF  talk 15:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

 * logodaedalus is "someone with great word skill"....then there is sesquipedalian "using many long words". Neither of them are quite there.  Words like polyloquent don't really do it either.  A word like multiverbal might do the job, though whether it's ever been used like that I don't know.  Ƿidsiþ 16:21, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I would think lexical would work but I don't know if that is a used sense. sewnmouthsecret 16:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

 * There is also vocabularian - one who knows and uses words that are beyond the comprehension of normal people --Ivan Štambuk 17:10, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Also there is the vocabulous, which Urban dictionary defines as The attribute of a large vocabulary, To have an extensive knowledge of words and their definitions., but it probably wouldn't pass CFI.. --Ivan Štambuk 17:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

 * ...and there is verbose. sewnmouthsecret 17:12, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Which in many cases will be antonymous to the speech of someone with a large vocabulary who will be able to use a single word that expresses what others would need several for. Thryduulf 19:30, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The ability to use one word where others would use many would likely show one having a large vocabulary, would it not? sewnmouthsecret 20:48, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that is being concise not verbose. Thryduulf 21:17, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

toxilogy
I came across this word in an article in the journal "Nature". It looks like a mispelling of toxicology, but Google shows quite a few hits in other official documents, and scientific journals. Is it really just a common misspelling that gets through the spellcheckers? SemperBlotto 09:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Sure looks like it; a lot of webpages use it interchangeably with toxicology, and I don't see anything to suggest a distinct meaning. Has about 1/1000th of toxicology's web frequency (according to Google), and about 1/2000th of its frequency on b.g.c.; that seems about right for an occasional typo.  Odd that it would find its way into Nature though... -- Visviva 10:36, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

banjo - verb
Apparently to banjo someone is British slang for to deck someone or kick someone's ass. Any suggestions? --Borganised 13:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Not just UK, I think. DCDuring TALK 14:16, 15 October 2008 (UTC) Also: --
 * 1989, Susan S. M. Edwards, Policing 'domestic' Violence: Women, the Law and the State, page 95
 * Admitting the assault, the husband said that he had given her a 'banjoing' but that she had asked for it.
 * 1998, "Fergie's world just gets Madar."(Sport), Sunday Mailm Jan 4, 1998
 * Madar was turfed out on a final misdemeanour of banjoing one of his teammates in training before a big game
 * 2007, "Return of Smeato, the extraordinary hero", Times Online, Jul 31, 2007
 * "Me and other folk were just trying to get the boot in and some other guy banjoed [decked] him”.

And just to confuse things... - Pingku 17:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1949, Chamber of Commerce of the United States of America, Nation's Business (p. 78)
 * Informed of this, Caton's eyes banjoed bigger than ever.

 * I wonder what that means. I'd put the above quote on the citations page at banjo. DCDuring Holiday Greetings! 18:30, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I've done that. Thanks. My guess is something like 'fluttered', but it's only a guess... - Pingku 18:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Suggest a name
We are UAE based non-profit trade association, our members are companies engaged in the business of Construction equipment include Authorized distributors, independent dealers, rentals, manufacturers & related industry trade associations. Kindly suggest us a name for our organization.

Similar words
What are the similar words to Distributors or Dealers. --119.154.28.10 16:15, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Define the word cantacle
Hello all,

I'm stumped and wonder if anybody knows the definition of the word cantacle? If you do know and would be so kind e-mail the definition or link Thank you,

William

See canticle. DCDuring TALK 03:12, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

ain't- Usage notes
I believe a couple of points in the usage notes may only apply to the US, or don't apply to UK usage. For example, "This word is commonly considered non-standard and is possibly stigmatized often based on racist issues,", well I am not aware of any racial issue surrounding 'ain't' in England. Also "However, its use is common among all social classes." In England, I would say its use is not common among all social classes, it's more of (but not exclusively) a working-class thing. It sounds like 'ain't' is somehow more controversial in the US than the UK. In England, it's just part of some accents like a London accent, and sounds a bit slangy. If anyone is aware of these issues existing in the UK then I would be interested to know about it. Kaixinguo 20:13, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, I know of no racial connotations to "ain't" in the UK. It is a feature of some dialects more than others - I head it far more in Yorkshire than in Somerset for example. It's a slang word that isn't considered proper, at least in middle and upper class speech, although I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say it's working class. Thryduulf 11:36, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that "ain't" is just a focal point for broader concerns about dialectal English in the US, which are somewhat associated with race and with education policy and practice. Although ain't is used in AAVE, it is also used in dialects of mostly white speakers. As statistics suggest, we don't seem to have enough US users, especially contributors, to be well covered with respect to US regional dialects and slang. DCDuring TALK 12:15, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Step
Does anyone know the latin word for step? As in "to take a step" or "a journey begins with a single step."

 * See gradus SemperBlotto 16:49, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

horrisonant
"Sounding horribly." Granted it's fairly obscure, but rather a nice word I think. Would be nice to see it included. What do people think?

 * It definitely meets our criteria for inclusion. —Ruakh TALK 14:28, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

plural of denarius?
What is the plural of denarius? RJFJR 14:04, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

 * denarii: and denariuses: are both attested, with the former being much more common. (I listed both in the entry, but actually I'm not sure if denariuses: even warrants mention there.) I couldn't find any evidence for plural use of denarius:, nor for denari: in this sense, but neither would shock me. —Ruakh TALK 14:36, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

"in the weeds"
I've seen this several times in print by professional cooks meaning "behind in work" or "overwhelmed", but the other day I heard it on NPR to describe McCain's trailing presidential campaign. But I'm not sure where to put this weeds, in the weeds? RJFJR 15:11, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

k.b.g
Acvot. To our new regeim in the u.s

disposition
why does all these easy word get sentnese and noot harder words like disposition! why i really need help and a sentces would help!thanks, from, confused and annoyed

protein
can someone discribe how the four processes in the formation of a protein
 * You'll likely have better luck over at the reference desk; Wikipedia has articles like protein biosynthesis which might be useful to you as well. grendel|khan 20:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Seeking Turkish speaker
Could someone please verify the following Turkish sayings: "it havlar, kervan gider" or "it ürür, kervan gecser". I have no idea if the spelling is correct, but they are supposed to mean "the dog barks, the caravan proceeds". Some sources say the Hungarian saying a kutya ugat, a karaván halad came from the Turkish saying. Thanks. --Panda10 23:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You might ask User:Sinek, who speaks Turkish. --EncycloPetey 20:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

 * The first phrase is correct, the second phrase should be "İt ürür, kervan yürür". "it ürür, kervan gecser" is a misspelling of "it ürür, kervan geçer" which is a misquote of the Turkish Proverb "İt ürür, kervan yürür." Hope that helped! --numbeast

museum
Etymology looks incorrect to me; at the very least, there would be an intermediate Latin etymon. †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 19:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I added Latin, and there's more at etymonline. —Michael Z. 2008-10-23 20:56 z

israel
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red rag to a bull
I wish to make an entry for this expression. The problem is that it does not always occur as "like a red rag...", and the entire phrase is too complex to be called a noun. (Or is it?) What does anyone suggest? -- A LGRIF  talk 14:59, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd put the entry at red rag to a bull, with a redirect from like a red rag to a bull. As for the header, "Phrase" or "Idiom" perhaps? Thryduulf 22:58, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of something like that, except that these headers are now deprecated, AFAIK. At least, they no longer appear in WT:ELE -- A LGRIF  talk 12:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Seems nounish enough to me (although I think one could be forgiven for using "Idiom" in this context). "Rag" is the head of the phrase, and both "red" and "to a bull" (="as perceived by a bull"?) are just specifying attributes of the rag.  -- Visviva 12:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

 * OK I'll take both your advices (this word really ought to be countable ;-)). Then if anyone disagrees, they can edit it as they see fit. Cheers. -- A LGRIF  talk 12:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

 * On checking further, I find that red rag without the "bull" is used a lot with the same meaning. This would make red rag to a bull the secondary etymology, and so now simply a special case. -- A LGRIF  talk 13:04, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

crew
Are all these noun senses really distinct? Thryduulf 11:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Well, the nautical sense and the working-group sense are definitely distinct IMO. The theatrical sense doesn't have much support in the other dictionaries I looked at (RHU, MQ, WN), but it seems as distinct in its own right as the nautical sense.  In both theater and sailing, "the crew" is *the* crew, a specific entity not requiring further definition, whereas in more general use it is simply *a* crew -- the B&G crew, the repair crew, my crew -- one of many possible groupings of people.  -- Visviva 12:20, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I added the sense of loose social grouping. Such groups can be capable of working on a common task (getting into a fight, raising money for a good cause), but don't usually. I don't see the theatrical sense as really distinct from, say, a logging sense, both of which seem to fall under sense 2. To me there is some kind of shared purpose, but somewhat distinguishable kinds: shared tangible piece of equipment, shared task or project, shared potential to act as a unit. I can't think of words that would allow fewer senses. DCDuring TALK 12:53, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I've started Appendix:Dictionary notes/crew for our entertainment and edification... Only the OED has anything resembling the theatrical sense.  And yet, I can't help but think that "crew" (="not cast") is at least as important a distinction as "crew" (="not officers"), which gets a separate sense in 3 of the 9 dictionaries I surveyed. -- Visviva 15:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks for very interesting and well-presented e&e. An excluding-leadership sense seems important. The idea that there can be multiple sections of the total complement operating a piece of equipment (eg, flight crew, cabin crew) is also worth capturing for completeness. I am disappointed in myself for having forgotten the hip-hop sense (roughly synonymous with "posse"), despite living in the self-proclaimed hip-hop capital of the world, though it is not really distinct from the older sense. I also think that that older social-group sense is often pejorative as a few of the dictionaries indicate or perhaps jocular. I have never liked definitions with narrow contexts that differed little in substance from definitions in other contexts, but the cost in loss of concreteness and vigor in the wording of a general, multi-context definition can be high. DCDuring TALK 16:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I've done a bit of work on this now, though I'm not sure it is really in any better shape than when I started. I found on close inspection that both the theatrical and quasi-nautical senses can refer either to a certain type of group (plural "crews") or to a member or members of the group (plural, and rare singular, "crew").  It seemed like this was too much information to pack into a single sense line, so I have split both of these senses for now (having first attempted to unsplit the quasi-nautical sense before realizing what a mess that would create).  If anyone has a better idea, please jump in.  Thankfully this does not seem to apply to any of the other senses.-- Visviva 15:12, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * These could be merged by adding “or a member of such a crew,” but then it may not be explicit how the respective plurals are formed. —Michael Z. 2008-10-30 15:31 z
 * A usage note regarding the plurals would probably be a good idea in that situation. Thryduulf 17:45, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, in addition to the plurals, these two senses (or aspects of a sense?) have will have different synonyms (sailor, hand, crewer vs. ship's company, staff) and frequently different translations...  I expect that would apply to the dramatic sense(s) as well, though I'm less familiar with that case. -- Visviva 02:59, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

trail
Is ther a sense for trail meaning to use as bait or offer as bait? (Might be a primarily british use.) RJFJR 22:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

 * could this be to drag something odoriferous (like a red herring!) to train or mislead a scent-following hunting animal? DCDuring TALK 23:03, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Here's the cite: Charles Stross, The Atrocity Archives (It's a spy/horror novel, the laundry is a nickname for a secret agency. I checked: the author is British):
 * "It's you they're after. As long as you're here in a laundry safe house they can't get to you.  But if we trail you in front of them, ..., we might be able to draw them out."

 * It seems like a figurative extension of the second sense of trail, more specifically the sense I suggested above (Owww! [pulled muscle patting myself on the back]). I would definitely put the citation on the citation page. I don't think the usage is particularly UK, but the UK has reputedly had better spies-on-the-ground than the US. The question is whether it would be better to have:
 * a figurative sense of "trail" which would be closer to the use above, but not include purpose
 * an extension of sense 2 incorporating purpose, but remaining concrete, physical about the "trail".
 * a sense specific to the usage illustrated.
 * more than one of the above.
 * I think I prefer having both 1 and 2, but not 3. DCDuring TALK 19:41, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I would gloss this as dangle, which is somewhat different from what we have at sense 2 currently (though the senses are certainly related). Supporting cites for something like this:, , .  Seems likely to be derived from the angling sense, in which one trails a lure behind a boat.  -- Visviva 15:33, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

imposte
It's also a French name meaning transom (architectural). 216.86.113.139 01:38, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this, I've added a French section to imposte and the French translation at transom. You may wish to take a look at these and check I've understood you correctly, as I don't speak French myself. Thryduulf 11:07, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I think that French imposte means fanlight, and that the French for transom is either croisillion or meneau. What does French Wiktionary have to say? SemperBlotto 11:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm embarrassed to admit that I don't know any of these words in French or English, but to answer your question, [[:fr:imposte]] has three definitions, roughly:
 * (Woodworking) The fixed upper portion of a door or window, that lessens the height of the moving portions.
 * (By extention) The fixed glass portion of a door or wall, that's intended to give daylight to a dark room.
 * (Architecture) The last stone of the upright of a door or arcade, that sticks out over the other stones and is usually somewhat decorated.
 * [[:fr:croisillion]] is a redlink, but I'm guessing you mean [[:fr:croisillon]], which has three definitions, roughly:
 * A crossbar, the horizontal bar of a cross.
 * (By analogy) An arm of the transept of a church.
 * Pieces of wood or iron, arranged in a cross shape, across a bay (??) or frame of a window, which hold the panes.
 * [[:fr:meneau]] has one definition, roughly:
 * (Architecture) A wood, stone, or iron upright or crossbar that divides an opening to form a cross shape.
 * Hopefully those translations are sufficiently accurate and clear that y'all can figure out the right English translations. (You can also click the links; there are helpful images for some of the senses.)
 * —Ruakh TALK 18:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

some queries??
Hi there.I've some questions.I hope I'll be helped out.What's the plural of crux?What's the difference between instant and moment?Suggest me the most appropriate synonym for 'moment'.Moreover what is a hairpin curve?Are hairpin curve and hairpin turn the same.Moreover what's the meaning of short in electricity?Thanks.
 * Did you think to look at our definitions for crux, instant and moment? A hairpin curve is a hairpin bend or hairpin turn . An electrical short is a short circuit. SemperBlotto 11:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

gone
There's a fair chunk missing from this entry. Like an adjective part for a start. --Jackofclubs 14:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I added the adjective and preposition, but better somebody check it after me. --Duncan MacCall 15:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing the difference between these two senses:
 * No longer existing.
 * The days of my youth are gone.
 * Used up.
 * I'm afraid all the coffee's gone at the moment.
 * —msh210 ℠ 20:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * In the first sense the thing has finished or passed with time, without anybody's action, while in the second sense somebody must have done something to make the thing "gone". --Duncan MacCall 22:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

tango
Is sense 4 (terrorist, slang) real, or perhaps only restricted to fiction and video games? A quick search finds a bunch of schlocky-looking novels, one historical reference to charlie tango (CT) for “communist terrorist”, and one non-military book. —Michael Z. 2008-10-27 20:02 z

yay
Is yay as an adverb really comparable? Thryduulf 22:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't think so. A pain to get confirmation, though. Other pointing adverbs seem to be: "Did he do it the way I do?" "No, more thusly." But not the closer parallel so ("He was about so high"), AFAIcT. DCDuring TALK 22:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't think so. (And shouldn't it be, anyway?) —Ruakh TALK 02:48, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

 * It is possible, but this pointing sense is not clearly in any OneLook dictionary def or "yea", except possibly something from compact Oxford. I have heard "so" and "yo" with the same meaning. This needs a slang dictionary and/or OED. DCDuring TALK 03:07, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Huh, whaddaya know? the OED Online has it only under "yay", and only in the phrases "yay big" and "yay high". (It considers it U.S. slang, and gives "yea" only as a probable etymology.) *is shocked* —Ruakh TALK 17:12, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

 * It's interesting; a b.g.c. search for "about yea high" vs. "about yay high" (precise enough to filter out most of the gunk) goes 2:1 for "yea"; but the same search on the Web goes about 2:1 for "yay." I find the "yay" spelling bizarre for this sense, but I guess people are using it...   (keeping the main entry at "yea") seems most plausible, at least until the world of print begins to follow the example of the illiterate online multitudes -- which I fear is just a matter of time. -- Visviva 15:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * CONDESCENDING,asalweiz. --

 * I try, thanks.  -- Visviva 10:12, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I would have thought so too, but NOAD has “yay2 (also yea)” for this sense. It has a separate etymology “1960s: probably a variant of the adverb YEA 1.”

 * To me it sounds quaint and old, so it should be spelled yea, but it turns out to be relatively new and probably seldom written, so the phonetic yay is a more common form. —Michael Z. 2008-10-30 16:08 z

 * The truly illiterate just say it. Most dictionaries don't have it defined in this sense at either yea or yay. In the US aye is more common for voting than yea; we have yes-men (and nay-sayers, but not so many yea-sayers. Yea may already be archaic, yea, obsolete. DCDuring TALK 16:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

liquidy
Is there a scientific word for liquidy - for example the consistency of custard or maybe jello or possibly half-melted butter - which is kinda liquid and kinda solid. --Borganised 11:33, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this will do as I remember it from Junior Cert Science. To the best of my knowledge a solid that i "sloppy" or "liquidy" like custard or yoghurt is said to be non-crystalline (not sure about the hyphenation though, you'd need to search b.g.c. or something to find whether a hyphen is often used or not.--50 Xylophone Players talk 11:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I found amorphous as a result of a non-crystalline search, which might be what I want, but it has a complicated definition - even amorphous solid wasn't simple enough for me - I did the Junior Cert Science too, and I remember the teacher saying how glass wasn't really a solid (What? of course it is solid!!) and we mentioned custard too, and maybe treacle or something like that.

Anyway, I also found gloopy and slushy and mushy (all great words in their own right) for non-scientific terms which seem to be synonyms. --Borganised 12:07, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

 * The word you are looking for is semiliquid. Custard, I seem to remember, is a thixotropic liquid - if you add just a little milk to the Bird's custard powder and mix it, then it becomes almost solid when you pause the mixing. SemperBlotto 12:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Custard is a non-Newtonian fluid - I don't know if this is what you are after. Thryduulf 17:41, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Viscous? Ƿidsiþ 12:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

RESEND
ARE THERE ANY OTHER DEFINITIONS FOR THE WORD RESEND OTHER THAN TO SEND AGAIN?

 * Yes. (and you don't need to ask the same question in two different places) SemperBlotto 17:19, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

meaning of French verb "borner"?
See above. I found the word "bornee" (with accent on 1st e) in a mathematical text and don't know what it means.--129.70.14.65 17:50, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * bornée is the feminine of the adjective borné - I think it means having a limit (in a mathematical context). SemperBlotto 17:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. However, the context is "sur toute partie bornée" - so what could this mean? "On each bounded part"? "On each closed part"?--129.70.14.65 18:02, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It means "bounded on each side" (or each part? something of the kind). Equinox 18:04, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

correct use of the word: feral
can you use the word feral to describe wind...(it may also be relevant that this is in reference to a poem)

Poet's are licensed to push the limits of the language. Natural phenomena have long been viewed as like animals or even as animals (or people or Gods). To call a wind feral is to remind us of the feeling of being at the mercy of a powerful, unlistening beast. DCDuring TALK 20:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Citations:if, as and when
What would be the best POS header for this? -- Visviva 04:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd go with "Phrase". -- WikiPedant 05:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

 * In its main use it looks like a conjunction to me. I've just included it as an alternative form when, as, and if you pull the trigger and enter it. DCDuring TALK 11:38, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Actually, Visiva's citations look, in the main, like adverbial usages to me. But each of these terms can serve as multiple parts of speech, so in combination who knows exactly what the official POS is.  I still say the only circumspect way out is "Phrase."  (BTW, Visviva -- I'd be inclined to put these quotations on the main entry page, not in one of those separate "Citations" gulag subpages.  It is still permissible and desirable to include one or two or three telling quotations on the main page, to support the definition. After all, the meaning is the use, and hence good usage examples belong in the definition directly illuminating the meaning, especially in the case of oddball expressions like this.) -- WikiPedant 23:53, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Washingtonian proper
Is Washingtonian a proper noun or a common one? (As usual properness confuses me). RJFJR 16:38, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

 * A common noun. The issue is a bit thorny, but [[Appendix:English proper nouns]] gives some guidance. —Ruakh TALK 18:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

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ambulatrix

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Etymology
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Noun

 * 1)  A row of pores for the protrusion of appendages such as tube feet.

Translations

 * Portuguese: ambulacro

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) A place for walking, a walk or promenade planted with trees (often near a house).

title: ambulacrum


text:
poltroncina

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * : small armchair or easy chair
 * 1) rear stalls (in a theatre)

title: poltroncina


text:
ambulatilis

Etymology
From, from.

Adjective

 * 1) walking about; movable, transferable

title: ambulatilis


text:
vörös vércse

Etymology
+

Noun

 * 1) common kestrel

Declension

 * For the noun, see.
 * The adjective remains unchanged.

title: vörös vércse


text:
pornoattore

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) actor in a pornographic film

title: pornoattore


text: portuensi

title: portuensi


text:
ambulatus

Etymology
Perfect passive participle of.

Participle

 * 1) navigated, passed over, travelled, traversed, having been navigated

Noun

 * 1) walking

title: ambulatus


text:
vércse

Noun

 * 1) kestrel any of various small falcons of the genus Falco

title: vércse


text: vércsék

title: vércsék


text:
preallarme

Noun

 * 1) pre-alarm (warning of an impending alarm, or condition of heightened vigilance)

title: preallarme


text:
circumambulo

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to walk around or over

title: circumambulo


text: circumambulare

title: circumambulare


text:
precocità

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) precociousness, precocity

title: precocità


text:
predominanza

Noun

 * 1) predominance, preponderance

title: predominanza


text:
enen

Etymology
From.

Article

 * 1) ; to a.
 * 2) ; a.

Pronoun

 * 1)  we, us

Etymology
, from, from , from.

Variants with are from reinterpretation of the past-tense suffix as part of the verbal stem (compare modern, ).

Verb

 * 1)  To give birth; to yean.

title: enen


text:
ener

Etymology 1
From.

Noun

 * 1) one of a kind, oner an extraordinary individual
 * 2) loner, lone wolf one who lacks or avoids company
 * 3) one (person or thing that is number one in a system, e.g.bus #1)
 * 4) first decade in a century
 * 5) rowing boat for one person, e.g. single scull
 * 6)  A die roll of one.
 * Du slog en ener!
 * You rolled a one!

Etymology 2
See.

Etymology
From.

Article

 * 1)  ; of a.
 * 2)  ; to a, for a.

title: ener


text: enerne

title: enerne


text: premunirmi

title: premunirmi


text: premunirti

title: premunirti


text: premunirci

title: premunirci


text:
premunirsi

Verb

 * 1) to protect oneself (from)
 * 2) to guard oneself (against)
 * 3) to arm oneself (with)
 * 1) to arm oneself (with)

title: premunirsi


text: premunirvi

title: premunirvi


text: premunendosi

title: premunendosi


text: premunendomi

title: premunendomi


text: premunendoti

title: premunendoti


text: premunendoci

title: premunendoci


text: premunendovi

title: premunendovi


text: premunisciti

title: premunisciti


text: premuniamoci

title: premuniamoci


text: premunitevi

title: premunitevi


text: ládák

title: ládák


text:
ootraus

Noun

 * 1) graining art and practice of producing imitated wood surfaces by painting.

title: ootraus


text:
perambulo

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to go through; roam, tour, traverse, perambulate
 * 2) to visit in succession (especially of a physician)

title: perambulo


text: perambulare

title: perambulare


text:
inambulo

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to walk or pace up and down or to and fro

title: inambulo


text: inambulare

title: inambulare


text:
User:Tasnu Arakun

I've done a few edits using the following IPs: 85.228.26.15, 213.113.126.92 and 213.113.117.58. I hate when I get logged out and don't notice it.

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title: User:Tasnu Arakun


text: անձեռոցիկներ

title: անձեռոցիկներ


text:
krízis

Etymology
From scientific, from , from. With ending.

Noun

 * 1) crisis

title: krízis


text: krízisek

title: krízisek


text:
svišť

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) marmot

title: svišť


text:
praeambulo

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to walk before, go before, precede

title: praeambulo


text: Category:hy:Beverages

title: Category:hy:Beverages


text: praeambulare

title: praeambulare


text:
recesszió

Etymology
. With ending.

Noun

 * 1)  recession

title: recesszió


text: recessziók

title: recessziók


text:
Gestalt therapy

Noun

 * 1)  An existential and experiential psychotherapy that focuses on the individual's experience in the present moment.

Translations

 * Estonian: geštaltteraapia
 * Finnish:
 * German: Gestalttherapie
 * Swedish: gestaltterapi

title: Gestalt therapy


text: boller

title: boller


text: bollerne

title: bollerne


text: bollede

title: bollede


text: bollet

title: bollet


text:
uncoated free sheet

Noun

 * 1) A grade of paper containing little or no mechanical wood pulp that is often used in the production of office papers.

title: uncoated free sheet


text:
Talk:pessimo

Does pessimo as a noun also mean loser?

title: Talk:pessimo


text: գդալներ

title: գդալներ


text: Category:hy:Cutlery

title: Category:hy:Cutlery


text:
gnasher

Noun

 * 1) One who gnashes the teeth.
 * 2)  A tooth.

title: gnasher


text: batteriet

title: batteriet


text: batterier

title: batterier


text: batterierne

title: batterierne


text: պատառաքաղներ

title: պատառաքաղներ


text:
ritual abuse

Noun

 * 1) Any form of physical, sexual, or psychological mistreatment that involves the use of ritual.

Derived terms

 * satanic ritual abuse

title: ritual abuse


text:
hanyatlás

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) decline, decadence, decay
 * 2) recession in economy

title: hanyatlás


text: hanyatlások

title: hanyatlások


text:
չանգալ

Etymology
From, ultimately from. The sense "anchor" is present also in 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) hook
 * 2) fork
 * 3) anchor
 * 1) anchor
 * 1) anchor

title: չանգալ


text:
hanyatlik

Etymology
From the adverb.

Verb

 * 1)  to decline, fall, deteriorate

title: hanyatlik


text:
satanic ritual abuse

Noun

 * 1) Any form of physical, sexual, or psychological mistreatment that involves the use of satanic ritual; the subject of a moral panic in the 1980s and 1990s.

title: satanic ritual abuse


text: դանակներ

title: դանակներ


text: Category:hy:Weapons

title: Category:hy:Weapons


text: skolerne

title: skolerne


text: skolede

title: skolede


text:
parental alienation syndrome

Noun

 * 1) A supposed disturbance in which children are obsessively preoccupied with depreciation and/or criticism of a parent.

title: parental alienation syndrome


text: skolet

title: skolet


text: premunendo

title: premunendo


text: premunente

title: premunente


text: premunito

title: premunito


text: premuniti

title: premuniti


text: premunita

title: premunita


text: premunisco

title: premunisco


text: premunisci

title: premunisci


text: premunisce

title: premunisce


text: premuniamo

title: premuniamo


text: premunite

title: premunite


text: premuniscono

title: premuniscono


text: premunivo

title: premunivo


text: premunivi

title: premunivi


text: premuniva

title: premuniva


text: premunivamo

title: premunivamo


text: premunivate

title: premunivate


text: premunivano

title: premunivano


text: premunii

title: premunii


text: premunisti

title: premunisti


text: premunì

title: premunì


text: premunimmo

title: premunimmo


text: premuniste

title: premuniste


text: premunirono

title: premunirono


text: premunirò

title: premunirò


text: premunirai

title: premunirai


text: premunirà

title: premunirà


text: premuniremo

title: premuniremo


text: premunirete

title: premunirete


text: premuniranno

title: premuniranno


text: premunirei

title: premunirei


text: premuniresti

title: premuniresti


text: premunirebbe

title: premunirebbe


text: premuniremmo

title: premuniremmo


text: premunireste

title: premunireste


text: premunirebbero

title: premunirebbero


text: premunisca

title: premunisca


text: premuniate

title: premuniate


text: premuniscano

title: premuniscano


text: premunissi

title: premunissi


text: premunisse

title: premunisse


text: premunissimo

title: premunissimo


text: premunissero

title: premunissero


text: færgen

title: færgen


text: færger

title: færger


text: færgerne

title: færgerne


text: færg

title: færg


text: færgede

title: færgede


text: færget

title: færget


text:
preparatissimo

Etymology
From.

title: preparatissimo


text:
prepensionamento

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) early retirement

title: prepensionamento


text:
complex post-traumatic stress disorder

Noun
(Abbreviated as: C-PTSD)

 * 1) A form of post-traumatic stress disorder that results from extended exposure to extreme trauma.

title: complex post-traumatic stress disorder


text:
pretattica

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  false or misleading information given to the media before a match in order to conceal new tactics

title: pretattica


text:
hockey rink

Noun

 * 1) An ice surface delimited and with goal nets which people play ice hockey.
 * 2) A building that houses such a surface.

Translations

 * Dutch:
 * Finnish:
 * Russian: хокке́йная площа́дка
 * Ukrainian: хоке́йний майда́нчик

title: hockey rink


text: tårnet

title: tårnet


text:
tårne

Verb

 * 1) pile up

title: tårne


text: tårnene

title: tårnene


text:
dissociative identity disorder

Noun

 * 1)  A mental disorder characterized by the presence of two or more personality states or distinct identities that repeatedly take control of a person's behavior.

Translations

 * Arabic:
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: 解離性人格疾患, 多重人格, 人格分裂, 分離性身份識別障礙
 * Danish: personlighedsspaltning, dissociativ identitetsforstyrrelse
 * Dutch:
 * Finnish: dissosiatiivinen identiteettihäiriö
 * French: trouble dissociatif de l'identité
 * Georgian: იდენტობის დისოციაციური აშლილობა, პიროვნების გაორება
 * German:
 * Hungarian: disszociatív személyiségzavar
 * Italian: disturbo dissociativo dell'identità
 * Japanese: 多重人格
 * Korean: 해리성 정체성 장애(解離性正體性障碍)
 * Polish: dysocjacyjne zaburzenie osobowości
 * Portuguese: transtorno dissociativo de identidade
 * Russian: мно́жественная ли́чность
 * Spanish: trastorno de identidad disociativo
 * Turkish: çoklu kişilik bozukluğu, dissosiyatif kişilik bozukluğu
 * Vietnamese: rối loạn đa nhân cách, rối loạn nhân dạng phân ly

title: dissociative identity disorder


text:
prodiano

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) of or pertaining to

title: prodiano


text: tårner

title: tårner


text: tårnede

title: tårnede


text:
recriminazione

Noun

 * 1) recrimination

title: recriminazione


text:
replicabile

Etymology
.

Adjective

 * 1) replicable
 * 2) repeatable

title: replicabile