text:
գոտի

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) belt, girdle; sash, waistband
 * 2)  zone, belt
 * 3) zone a given area distinguished on the basis of a particular characteristic, use, restriction, etc.
 * 1) zone a given area distinguished on the basis of a particular characteristic, use, restriction, etc.
 * 1) zone a given area distinguished on the basis of a particular characteristic, use, restriction, etc.

title: գոտի


text:
göbek deliği

Etymology
+

Noun

 * 1) belly button

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: göbek deliği


text:
göbek dansı

Etymology
From 🇰🇲.

Noun

 * 1) belly dance

title: göbek dansı


text:
User talk:Flipflopdowneast

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title: User talk:Flipflopdowneast


text:
çöp

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) straw
 * 2) lot

Etymology
.

Adjective

 * 1)  shitty, garbagey

Etymology
Alternative spelling of 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) grass

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) A small thin branch of a bush or tree; a small straw-thin stick.
 * 2) garbage, trash, rubbish, entrails
 * 3) rubbish bin
 * 1) garbage, trash, rubbish, entrails
 * 2) rubbish bin

title: çöp


text:
Rhymes:Icelandic/arːa

Two syllables

 * barra
 * Barra
 * Darra
 * farra
 * harra
 * Harra
 * hjarra
 * Garra
 * knarra
 * marra
 * narra
 * sparra

title: Rhymes:Icelandic/arːa


text: sušlampančio

title: sušlampančio


text: sušlampančiam

title: sušlampančiam


text: sušlampantį

title: sušlampantį


text: sušlampančiu

title: sušlampančiu


text: sušlampančiame

title: sušlampančiame


text: sušlampantys

title: sušlampantys


text: sušlampančių

title: sušlampančių


text: sušlampantiems

title: sušlampantiems


text: sušlampančius

title: sušlampančius


text: sušlampančiais

title: sušlampančiais


text: sušlampančiuose

title: sušlampančiuose


text: sušlampanti

title: sušlampanti


text: sušlampančios

title: sušlampančios


text: sušlampančiai

title: sušlampančiai


text: sušlampančią

title: sušlampančią


text: sušlampančia

title: sušlampančia


text: sušlampančioje

title: sušlampančioje


text: sušlampančioms

title: sušlampančioms


text: sušlampančias

title: sušlampančias


text: sušlampančiomis

title: sušlampančiomis


text: sušlampančiose

title: sušlampančiose


text: sušlampantysis

title: sušlampantysis


text: sušlampančiojo

title: sušlampančiojo


text: sušlampančiajam

title: sušlampančiajam


text: sušlampantįjį

title: sušlampantįjį


text: sušlampančiuoju

title: sušlampančiuoju


text: sušlampančiajame

title: sušlampančiajame


text: medžiojančio

title: medžiojančio


text: medžiojančiam

title: medžiojančiam


text: sušlampantieji

title: sušlampantieji


text:
ıspanak

Etymology
From ,, , from.

Noun

 * 1) spinach

title: ıspanak


text: medžiojantį

title: medžiojantį


text: sušlampančiųjų

title: sušlampančiųjų


text: sušlampantiesiems

title: sušlampantiesiems


text: medžiojančiu

title: medžiojančiu


text: sušlampančiuosius

title: sušlampančiuosius


text: medžiojančiame

title: medžiojančiame


text: medžioją

title: medžioją


text: sušlampančiaisiais

title: sušlampančiaisiais


text: sušlampančiuosiuose

title: sušlampančiuosiuose


text: medžiojantys

title: medžiojantys


text: medžiojančių

title: medžiojančių


text: sušlampančioji

title: sušlampančioji


text: medžiojantiems

title: medžiojantiems


text: sušlampančiosios

title: sušlampančiosios


text: sušlampančiajai

title: sušlampančiajai


text: medžiojančius

title: medžiojančius


text: sušlampančiąją

title: sušlampančiąją


text: medžiojančiais

title: medžiojančiais


text: medžiojančiuose

title: medžiojančiuose


text: sušlampančiąja

title: sušlampančiąja


text: medžiojanti

title: medžiojanti


text: sušlampančiojoje

title: sušlampančiojoje


text:
Talk:solar plexus

What is done to prevent the solar plexus from being disturbed & what are the consequences of a disturbed solar plexus?
 * A dictionary is not the best place to seek this information. --EncycloPetey 19:29, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:solar plexus


text: sušlampančiosioms

title: sušlampančiosioms


text: medžiojančios

title: medžiojančios


text: sušlampančiąsias

title: sušlampančiąsias


text: medžiojančiai

title: medžiojančiai


text: medžiojančią

title: medžiojančią


text: sušlampančiosiomis

title: sušlampančiosiomis


text: medžiojančia

title: medžiojančia


text: sušlampančiosiose

title: sušlampančiosiose


text: medžiojančioje

title: medžiojančioje


text: medžiojančioms

title: medžiojančioms


text: medžiojančias

title: medžiojančias


text: medžiojančiomis

title: medžiojančiomis


text: medžiojančiose

title: medžiojančiose


text: medžiojantysis

title: medžiojantysis


text:
Temel Reis

Etymology
From.

Proper noun

 * 1) Popeye

title: Temel Reis


text: medžiojančiojo

title: medžiojančiojo


text: medžiojančiajam

title: medžiojančiajam


text: tylinčio

title: tylinčio


text: tylinčiam

title: tylinčiam


text: medžiojantįjį

title: medžiojantįjį


text: tylintį

title: tylintį


text: tylinčiu

title: tylinčiu


text: medžiojančiuoju

title: medžiojančiuoju


text: tylinčiame

title: tylinčiame


text: medžiojančiajame

title: medžiojančiajame


text: tylintys

title: tylintys


text: tylinčių

title: tylinčių


text: medžiojantieji

title: medžiojantieji


text: tylintiems

title: tylintiems


text: tylinčius

title: tylinčius


text: medžiojančiųjų

title: medžiojančiųjų


text: tylinčiais

title: tylinčiais


text: tylinčiuose

title: tylinčiuose


text: medžiojantiesiems

title: medžiojantiesiems


text: tylinti

title: tylinti


text: medžiojančiuosius

title: medžiojančiuosius


text: tylinčios

title: tylinčios


text: tylinčiai

title: tylinčiai


text: medžiojančiaisiais

title: medžiojančiaisiais


text: tylinčią

title: tylinčią


text: tylinčia

title: tylinčia


text: medžiojančiuosiuose

title: medžiojančiuosiuose


text: tylinčioje

title: tylinčioje


text: medžiojančioji

title: medžiojančioji


text: tylinčioms

title: tylinčioms


text: tylinčias

title: tylinčias


text: medžiojančiosios

title: medžiojančiosios


text: tylinčiomis

title: tylinčiomis


text: medžiojančiajai

title: medžiojančiajai


text: tylinčiose

title: tylinčiose


text: tylintysis

title: tylintysis


text: medžiojančiąją

title: medžiojančiąją


text: tylinčiojo

title: tylinčiojo


text: tylinčiajam

title: tylinčiajam


text: medžiojančiąja

title: medžiojančiąja


text: tylintįjį

title: tylintįjį


text: medžiojančiojoje

title: medžiojančiojoje


text: tylinčiuoju

title: tylinčiuoju


text: tylinčiajame

title: tylinčiajame


text: medžiojančiosioms

title: medžiojančiosioms


text: tylintieji

title: tylintieji


text: tylinčiųjų

title: tylinčiųjų


text: medžiojančiąsias

title: medžiojančiąsias


text: tylintiesiems

title: tylintiesiems


text: medžiojančiosiomis

title: medžiojančiosiomis


text: tylinčiuosius

title: tylinčiuosius


text: tylinčiaisiais

title: tylinčiaisiais


text: medžiojančiosiose

title: medžiojančiosiose


text: tylinčiuosiuose

title: tylinčiuosiuose


text: tylinčioji

title: tylinčioji


text: tylinčiosios

title: tylinčiosios


text: tylinčiajai

title: tylinčiajai


text: tylinčiąją

title: tylinčiąją


text: tylinčiąja

title: tylinčiąja


text: tylinčiojoje

title: tylinčiojoje


text: tylinčiosioms

title: tylinčiosioms


text: tylinčiąsias

title: tylinčiąsias


text: tylinčiosiomis

title: tylinčiosiomis


text: tylinčiosiose

title: tylinčiosiose


text: من فضلك

title: من فضلك


text:
raviser

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to change one's mind, reconsider

title: raviser


text:
kutt

Etymology
. Similar to Dutch and Norwegian.

Noun

 * 1) dude, guy, fellow

Etymology 1
From the verb.

Noun

 * 1) a cut

Etymology
From the verb.

Noun

 * 1) a cut

Etymology
From, from.

Numeral

 * 1) six

title: kutt


text:
emplir

Etymology
From, from.

Verb

 * 1) fill

Etymology
, from, from , from.

Verb

 * 1)  to fill
 * 2)  to fill
 * 3)  to be affected with a sentiment, an emotion or another quality

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to fill

title: emplir


text:
Appendix:Belarusian pronouns

 * Belarusian is subject to T-V distinction.

title: Appendix:Belarusian pronouns


text:
Template:mainapp

 Appendix:

title: Template:mainapp


text:
дечак

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) a boy, youngster

title: дечак


text:
yapı

Etymology
From. .

Noun

 * 1) building
 * 2) structure

Synonyms

 * (building)

title: yapı


text:
торжество

Etymology
, from +. .

Noun

 * 1) festival, celebration, festivity
 * 2) triumph, victory
 * 1) triumph, victory

title: торжество


text:
hibakereső

Noun

 * 1)  debugger

title: hibakereső


text: Category:hu:Programming

title: Category:hu:Programming


text: hibakeresők

title: hibakeresők


text:
delirmek

Etymology
From, from. Equivalent to.

Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, etc.

Verb

 * 1) to go mad, become insane
 * sonunda ben de delirdim - finally I became insane as well
 * 1) to go crazy

title: delirmek


text:
çıldırmak

Etymology
From, earlier attested as a derivative. Akin to 🇨🇬. Compare also 🇨🇬 for a similar semantic evolution.

Verb

 * 1)  to go mad, go crazy, go insane, lose one's mind
 * 2)  to crave, look forward to, be dying for, long, hanker
 * 1)  to crave, look forward to, be dying for, long, hanker

title: çıldırmak


text:
vattenpass

Noun

 * 1) bubble level a tool for finding whether a surface is leveled perfectly horizontally

title: vattenpass


text:
praeputium

Etymology
From a combination of, potentially from.

Noun

 * 1)  Prepuce, foreskin

Descendants

 * Italic:
 * Germanic:
 * Slavic:
 * Germanic:
 * Slavic:
 * Germanic:
 * Slavic:
 * Germanic:
 * Slavic:
 * Slavic:
 * Slavic:

title: praeputium


text:
kafayı yemek

Etymology

 * Turkish "kafa" (head) + "-yı" (accusative suffix) + "yemek" (to eat). It literally means "to eat the head".

Verb

 * 1)  to become insane, go nuts
 * kafayı mı yedin? - did you eat the head (become insane)?

title: kafayı yemek


text:
sonunda

Etymology
Third person singular single-possession locative of.

Adverb

 * 1) finally

title: sonunda


text:
Kodiak bear

Noun

 * 1) The largest brown bear,, found on Kodiak Island off the south coast of Alaska, United States.

Translations

 * Afrikaans: kodiakbeer
 * Alutiiq: taquka-aq
 * Arabic: دب كودياك
 * Azerbaijani: kadyak ayısı
 * Basque: Kodiak hartz
 * Bulgarian: кодиакска кафява мечка
 * Catalan: ós de Kodiak
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: 科迪亞克熊, 科迪亞克棕熊
 * Czech: medvěd kodiak
 * Danish: kodiakbjørn, alaskabjørn
 * Dutch:
 * Finnish: kodiakinkarhu
 * French:
 * German: Kodiakbär
 * Gujarati: કોડિઆક રીંછ
 * Hebrew: דוב קודיאק
 * Hungarian: kodiak-medve
 * Indonesian: beruang kodiak
 * Italian: orso Kodiak
 * Japanese: コディアックヒグマ
 * Komi-Permyak: Кадьякісь ош
 * Korean: 코디악곰
 * Latvian: Kadjakas lācis
 * Lezgi: кадйак
 * Lithuanian: kadjakinis rudasis lokys
 * Macedonian: кодијак
 * Malayalam: കൊഡിയാക് കരടി
 * Mongolian: Кодяк баавгай
 * Norwegian:
 * Bokmål: kodiakbjørn
 * Nynorsk: kodiakbjørn
 * Occitan: ors de Kodiak
 * Persian: خرس کودیاک
 * Polish: niedźwiedź kodiacki
 * Portuguese: urso-de-kodiak, urso Kodiak
 * Romanian: urs Kodiak
 * Russian: кадья́к
 * Serbo-Croatian:
 * Cyrillic: кодијак
 * Roman: kodijak
 * Slovak: medveď kodiak
 * Spanish: oso Kodiak
 * Swedish:
 * Turkish: kodiak ayısı
 * Ukrainian: кадьяк
 * Vietnamese: gấu Kodiak

title: Kodiak bear


text:
Kodiak

Noun

 * 1) A Kodiak bear

Proper noun

 * : see Kodiak, Alaska

Translations

 * Alutiiq: Sun'aq
 * Arabic: كودياك
 * Belarusian: Кадзья́к
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: 科迪亚克
 * Japanese: コディアック
 * Korean: 코디액
 * Mari:
 * Western Mari: Кадьяк, Кодьяк
 * Newar: कोदियाक
 * Russian:, Ко́диак
 * Serbo-Croatian:
 * Cyrillic: Кодијак
 * Roman: Kodiak
 * Ukrainian: Ка́дьяк, Ко́діак

title: Kodiak


text: Kodiaks

title: Kodiaks


text:
anyák napja

Noun

 * 1) Mother's Day a day in honor of one's mother on the first Sunday in May in Hungary

Declension

 * For the possessive noun, see.
 * The plural noun remains unchanged.

title: anyák napja


text:
فروهر

Etymology
From, via its later form (attested in Pazend as ).

Noun

 * 1) spirit
 * 2) essence

Proper noun

 * 1) faravahar, fravashi
 * 2) . Forouhar, Foroohar

title: فروهر


text:
sun bear

Noun

 * 1) A species of relatively small bears,, found in Southeast Asia.

Translations

 * Acehnese: cagèë
 * Assamese: গছ ভালুক
 * Azerbaijani: adi malay ayısı
 * Banjarese:
 * Bengali:
 * Bulgarian: малайска мечка
 * Burmese: ပျားဖွတ်ဝက်ဝံ
 * Catalan: ós malai
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: 馬來熊
 * Dutch: ,
 * Finnish: malaijikarhu
 * French:
 * German:, Sonnenbär
 * Iban: jugam, akup, makup
 * Indonesian: beruang madu
 * Irish: béar gréine
 * Italian: orso malese, orso del sole
 * Japanese:
 * Khmer:
 * Lao:
 * Malay: beruang madu
 * Maltese: ors tax-xemx
 * Polish:, ,
 * Portuguese: urso-malaio
 * Romanian: urs malaez
 * Russian: мала́йский медве́дь, бируа́нг
 * Sikkimese:
 * Spanish: oso malayo
 * Sundanese:
 * Swedish:
 * Thai: ,
 * Vietnamese:

title: sun bear


text: Vorhäute

title: Vorhäute


text:
elmas

Etymology
From, from ; see it for more.

Noun

 * 1) diamond

title: elmas


text: napja

title: napja


text:
باری

Etymology 1
From (🇨🇬).

Adverb

 * 1)  anyhow; well, so

Etymology 2
.

Proper noun

 * 1) the Creator, God, the Deity

Etymology 1
Feminine of, from.

Noun

 * 1) window

Noun

 * 1) small lever

title: باری


text:
yankı

Etymology
From, from , from.

Noun

 * 1) echo

title: yankı


text:
kaş

Etymology
From.

Conjunction

 * 1)  would; if only

Usage notes

 * Often used with the following conjunction, sometimes written as one word:.

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) eyebrow
 * 2) saddlebow
 * 3) cliff
 * 4) border, barrier of vineyards and orchards
 * 5) fireplace mantel

title: kaş


text: mobiltelefonok

title: mobiltelefonok


text:
laurier-sauce

Noun

 * 1)  bay laurel

title: laurier-sauce


text:
والا

Etymology 1
..

Adverb

 * 1) otherwise, or else

Etymology 2
Derived from, whence modern. , derived with the same suffix from a different form of the same verb.

Adjective

 * 1) high, exalted, great, eminent

title: والا


text: Vorhäutchen

title: Vorhäutchen


text:
والی

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) a governor of a large province

title: والی


text:
User talk:Helohe

Ƿidsiþ 16:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Formatting
Please check some of the links above. Your formatting is a bit shaky. Ƿidsiþ 16:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. I'm new to wiktionary. I will read the links. --Helohe 16:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

 * Perhaps it would help to look through some of the entries in Category:Persian language, and see how other editors have done it. Ƿidsiþ 17:06, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Persian entries
Please be careful when adding Persian entries. I've noticed many mistakes in your edits, mainly due to copying and pasting from Persian dictionaries which are not correctly formated. Your efforts are appreciated, however, using assisted edits to further spread errors is not our best interest. If you do continue to work with Persian, please pay attention to Arabic versus Persian ک as well as Urdu ہہ versus Persian هه variants. Thanks. --Dijan 07:48, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Ok, thanks. I was not very careful sorry. I will pay more attention in the future. --Helohe 11:35, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Btw. if you find a mistake in my edits. please add a link to the particular article to this list (so I can lern from it):
 * mistake ...

title: User talk:Helohe


text:
مرید

Etymology 1
.

Adjective

 * 1) stubborn, perverse, unruly, disobedient, obstinate

Etymology 2
.

Adjective

 * 1) very stubborn

Etymology 3
.

Noun

 * 1) disciple, devotee, follower, novice, obsequious follower
 * 2) henchman
 * 1) henchman
 * 1) henchman

title: مرید


text:
πόσθη

Etymology
Has been connected with, from , but the derivation is problematic. Beekes thinks it is likely a loan from a non-Indo-European-Language, like.

Noun

 * 1)  The penis
 * 2) foreskin

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  foreskin, prepuce

title: πόσθη


text: leafcutter ants

title: leafcutter ants


text: leaf-cutter ants

title: leaf-cutter ants


text:
کوبیده

Etymology
Past participle of.

Adjective

 * 1) pounded
 * 2) brayed
 * 3) bruised
 * 4) ground
 * 5) beaten
 * 1) beaten

title: کوبیده


text:
؋

Etymology
From the first two letters of or.


text:
asztali számítógép

Noun

 * 1) desktop computer

Declension

 * For the noun, see.
 * The adjective remains unchanged.

title: asztali számítógép


text: historiographies

title: historiographies


text:
személyi számítógép

Noun

 * 1) personal computer

Declension

 * For the noun, see.
 * The adjective remains unchanged.

title: személyi számítógép


text:
قرمه

Etymology
, see there for more.

Noun

 * 1) preserved meat

title: قرمه


text:
فر

Verb

 * 1) to flee, run away, run off, escape

Noun

 * 1) quail

Etymology 1
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) splendour, splendor
 * 2) beauty
 * 3) elegance
 * 4) brilliance
 * 5) luster

Noun

 * 1)  dusk
 * 2)  sunset
 * 3)  sorting the sides of the creek during dredging

Noun

 * 1) oven, furnace, kitchen-stove

Prefix

Etymology 4
From the truncation of, after the function.

Noun

 * 1) curly

title: فر


text:
Talk:pour féliciter

Tea room discussion
Is the phrase "pour féliciter" or its initialism "PF" used on New Year's greeting cards in the U.S., U.K., Canada, Australia or other English speaking countries? Or is it at least used in speech?

The entry pour féliciter has the phrase as a term used in English, while the Czech Wikipedia tells me the phrase is used only in Czech; that's why the question. --Dan Polansky 13:10, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I don't think it's used in English. I've never seen it in Britain.  Ƿidsiþ 10:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I've never seen it in English but I've been speaking English for 41 years and in the book I'm reading I've seen at least three other words that I've also never seen before. So me not having seeing it is not a perfect metric. Try Google Books or looking in other dictionaries. — hippietrail 11:14, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

RFV — failed
I've already posted this to Tea room, but this seems to be a better place: Is the phrase "pour féliciter" or its initialism "PF" used on New Year's greeting cards in the U.S., U.K., Canada, Australia or other English speaking countries? Or is it at least used in speech?

Czech Wikipedia tells me the phrase is used only in Czech. --Dan Polansky 18:19, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It was really inappropriate to place Britain amongst other English speaking countries, when it is in fact the cradle and pillar of English language. Consequently, I shall oppose this deletion fervently, until some British native English speaker confirms that it is justified. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 06:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * FYI: Ƿidsiþ hails form the UK and he commented in the Tea room. --Duncan 09:32, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Deleting English senses only. — Carolina wren discussió 01:50, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:pour féliciter


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nagygép

Noun

 * 1) mainframe powerful computer

title: nagygép


text: nagygépek

title: nagygépek


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Talk:sortie de route

Tea room discussion
Just a sanity check that there is no more common terms for this fairly common French term than the rather technical run-off-roadway accident. It is NOT a roadside accident, which is much more broader in meaning (cf. a undefined: stops being one when barrel rolls begin). Circeus 15:26, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is a good word for this in English (I've actually never heard "run-off-roadway accident"). Normally in English you would word this differently, eg French J'ai fait une sortie de route  = English I came off the road.  Ƿidsiþ 15:48, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * As I said, the term is very technical (it's found primarily in e.g. road safety and pavement research). The OQLF gave "ram-off roadway accident", which lead to this term. It is a useful term to quantify different type of accidents, much like how CFIT might sound ridiculously euphemistic while remaining a relevant term to aviation specialists. You hear about undefined: a lot in Quebec during winter storms. Circeus 16:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * But sortie de route isn't technical (or at least, it's used a lot in common speech as well – 7.5 million g-hits, compared to fewer than 1500 for "run-off-roadway accident"). I would say it's best translated using some sort of periphrasis in English – we would say I came off the road or even my car came off the road rather than using a noun to describe the accident.  Ƿidsiþ 17:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:abet

(abet — part 1)
QUESTION: Is there any way to track the edits on a particular word. I continue to post a logical, researched and widely accepted etymology for "abet" and it continues to be edited out. Thanks. CraigSalvay

 * Usually you'd just add the page to your watchlist (which happens automatically when you edit it), and monitor that. If you dispute the currently given etymology, you could use the rfv-etymology template to set up a discussion for it. Equinox 03:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Can someone explain where I get more complete instructions about editing and how to present source material? I have read the "Help" section of wikipedia.org. and am unable to find a comprehensive roadmap to the process by which words are edited and sources are given. Thank you CraigSalvay

Also, Equinox, how do I message you about abet? I would be grateful to learn the ropes on this word. Thank you.

I have suggested an alternative etymology and asked that someone please tell me what criteria an entry must meet in order to be included. It appears that those comments have been edited out of this discussion altogether. So, again, I submit an alternative etymology for ABET and ask that someone (perhaps User:Equinox) explain what additional information I need to adduce in order for the inclusion of my research into this word. CraigSalvay 18:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Alternative etymology without loss of meaning from Semitic languages to present-day English. From עבד: “to work” “to serve.”  Biblical Aramaic, Aramaic and Syriac all use the word in the sense of either “slave” or “servant.”  Hence, the meaning of abet as “assist [in the manner of servant].”  Compare Aramaic and Syriac  and Arabic  and Ethiopian ’abbata, meaning "he imposed forced labor" and Akkadian abdu, meaning "slave." NOTE: Modern Ethiopian still uses the word “abet” as a response to one’s being hailed by name, in the sense of, “At your service.”

 * The problem is that, while your research is entertaining — it's always cool when unrelated languages happen to have words that sound similar and have similar meanings — see http://web.archive.org/web/20070227031854/http://members.aol.com/yahyam/coincidence.html for a bunch of examples — it is known that abet: doesn't come from these Semitic roots, so no amount of information adduction will make this research relevant to [[abet]]. —Ruakh TALK 16:49, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

(abet — part 2)

 * Note: this was originally a separate section, below. I've brought it up here for clarity. —Ruakh TALK 16:54, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

User:Craigsalvay has an alternate etymology for abet that has been reverted a few times due to lack of sources. I suggested that he put it up for discussion instead of repeatedly adding the same text. He sent me his ety suggestions by e-mail, so I am reproducing them here where they can be discussed. (Everything after this paragraph is from Craig. I hope e-mail hasn't trashed any important non-standard characters.) Could somebody with specific knowledge of abet take a look at this, so we can either integrate it into the entry or make a permanent, properly evidenced decision to reject it? Equinox 23:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

The etymology that appears in the "old" sources, OED and Century Dictionary, for example, appear to derive from the similarity in sound between ABET and the words (ME. abetten", OF. "abetter" and "abeter" [bait, as a bear], Icel. "beita" [bait, cause to bite]. While the Europeans who conjured these etymologies surely had good intentions, they largely overlooked Semitic language word origins; perhaps, they were unfamiliar with the languages - Ancient Hebrew, Arabic, Akkadian, Syriac, Aramaic, Hittite - or perhaps their Euro-centric view did not permit them to imagine that some words have been in continuous use, with their meanings virtually unchanged, for more than 5,000 years. One such word is ABET.  I have provided the following information about the Semitic language origins of the word, namely: Alternative etymology without loss of meaning from Semitic languages to present-day English. From ×¢×‘×“: "to work" "to serve." Biblical Aramaic, Aramaic and Syriac all use the word in the sense of either "slave" or "servant." Hence, the meaning of abet as "assist [in the manner of servant]." Compare Aramaic and Syriac and Arabic  and Ethiopian abbata, meaning "he imposed forced labor" and Akkadian abdu, meaning "slave." NOTE: Modern Ethiopian still uses the word "abet" as a response to one's being hailed by name, in the sense of, "At your service."

You indicated that there needs to be additional information about the source of this information. Can you tell me how (in what format) I enter that source information? My point of departure for my etymology was a book by Ernest Klein, "A Comprehensive Etymological Dictionary of Hebrew Language for Readers of English," MacMillan Publishing Company (NYC), 1987, at page 461.

 * עבד: does exist, but Craig's conspiracy theory has no basis: there are plenty of words with accepted Semitic etymologies. I see no reason to diverge from accepted scholarship about this word. —Ruakh TALK 23:39, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

 * A quick glance at the OED suggests that his etymology is probably wrong. Their earliest citation for the word (the etymology of which agrees with our current text) is 1380. Considering that there was significant contact between Old French and English at that point in time, the etymology is perfectly reasonable. Additionally, the citation shows a meaning close to what would be expected from the Old French. The alternative etymology is that much less likely as the original meaning was something like "bait, hound on". Further, if I have my history right, Semitic influence in English would have been very sparse in the 1300s. Besides that, for a borrowed word like that to have no semantic shift at all for such a period of time would be highly unlikely. That all points to the alternative suggestion as being a wrong assumption. —Leftmostcat 00:21, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Additionally, I find the expression the Europeans who conjured these etymologies outrageous and the theory aptly described as conspiracy - dismissible. I disprove adding such kind of original research no less than I disprove the theory about the Korean origin of cub. I really think that we should adapt some rule in accordance with the one in Wikipedia about original research. Bogorm 16:30, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * First to the conspiracy theory. Repeated review of the OED shows that its compilation, while masterful, based its etymologies only on predecessor words that appeared in writings that were submitted and classified in the famous "Scriptorium."  However, there was little or no inquiry into sources for the English words that pre-dated Latin, Greek and middle and high Teutonic languages.  Notable exceptions to this practice of compilation by the editors of the OED were those words appearing in the Hebrew Bible (Tanach) which were preserved in that book and continuously used by their reference in biblical exposition; for example, there remains the word Behemoth cited as coming directly from the Hebrew, for which no intermediate Latin or Greek citation is given.

 * Leftmostcat says his history suggests "Semitic influence in English would have been very sparse in the 1300s [AD]." This assertion is not correct; Phoenician traders (from the Levant, modern-day Lebanon/Syria, have been traveling the Mediterranean for more than 3,000 years; for example, the traditional year given for the founding of Cadiz, Spain (originally Gehdehr) by the Phoenicians is 1104 BC. Further, the concept of indentured servant and slave were both prevalent in Phoenician society and were expressed by a word similar to Ehvehd in Phoenician.  Also, of great interest to me in recent research of the word "abet" has been my correspondence with a professor in Ethiopia who, in her last email, told me that Modern Ethiopian still uses the word 'abada' as a response to one's being hailed by name, and that response is understood to mean 'At your service'. craigsalvay 04:36 UTC

 * I'm not disputing the use of Semitic languages, but the amount of contact they'd have had with English. I very much doubt that English was in common use by Mediterranean traders before 1340. It wasn't until a number of years later that English even regained status as a language of government in England. From around the Norman invasion of 1066, Old French was the prestige language for a few hundred years. Additionally, as Widsith mentions below and as I mentioned above, the original use of the word abet was quite different in meaning. It is through semantic shift, another of the arguments for the unlikelihood of your claim, that it comes to have any connotations of servitude at all. Regardless of whether the OED is eurocentric or not, they still have a much more solid case in this instance. —Leftmostcat 08:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * The modern meaning of abet might be "assist (in the manner of a servant)" (although personally I dispute that), but that is certainly not what the word meant originally. The root is Old French beter: and its original meaning in English was ‘encourage, urge on’, as in Fleming's “The Scottish queene did not onelie advise them, but also direct, comfort, and abbet them, with persuasion, counsell, promise of reward, and earnest obtestation.”  The idea that abet: means just "help" or "assist" is fairly modern and has probably come about from the usual legal collocation of "aiding and abetting", which always used to mean "helping and inciting".  Ƿidsiþ 07:38, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * First, the interpretation of the word "abett" in Fleming's work does not seem inconsistent with the definition "serve;" I posit that the word "abet" originally meant and still broadly means "serve" or "assist." Further, English law has often uses tautology to express an all-encompassing concept.  You cite, "aiding and abetting." You might also cite, "rest, residue, and remainder."  In the latter, all the words generally mean that which is left from a set. So the same, "aid and abet" is likely a tautology.

QUESTION: As a new user of Wiktionary, what is sufficient proof in order to add a possible etymology to Wiktionary such as the one I have proposed for abet? craigsalvay 04:51 01 Feb 2009 (UTC)

 * Further information regarding ABET: Modern Greek uses the word ypoboitho (υποβοηθώ, the root pronounced voyTHO). It incorporates the initial silent letter (essentially a place-holder for a diacritical mark) that is written " ' " in the International Phonetic Alphabet, and it follows that letter with "B" (pronounced "V" in Greek) and the sound "TH," an aspirated "T."  Thus, ypoboitho is a word that means "help" or "assist" and contains all the sounds in order of the Semitic word A-B-D.  Any comments?  I would appreciate someone expert in Greek to comment. craigsalvay 04:53, 07 Aprila 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:abet


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Talk:surrebutter

Tea room discussion
Should this be surrebuttal? Or is that a synonym? Nadando 02:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC) Restoring section blanked by Craigsalvay. -- Visviva 04:39, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Yes, a (less-præferred) synonym, it seems. †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 19:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:black letter

Tea room discussion
Entry says countable. True?—msh210 ℠  20:57, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

 * The type style is both countable and uncountable. I'll add some citations. —Michael Z. 2009-01-05 23:21 z

 * Surely the type is the proper noun, whilst one can also say “there’s some blackletter [the text as a mass]”, “it’s written using blackletters [referring to the individual characters]”, &c… †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 19:17, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

 * It is not the proper name of a typeface like Helvetica, but a type style, comparable to roman, italic, etc (there might also be specific designs titled Blackletter by their designer).

 * It seems that every spelling is used every conceivable way: the noun is more commonly black letter, and attributive more often black-letter or blackletter. A typeface is blackletter or a blackletter, while text printed in this style is blackletter or (set) in blackletter.

 * The plural definitely applies to particular fonts, for example, in the days of metal type, a typesetter's 12-point blackletter and his 24-point blackletter were two blackletters (just as your computer's Helvetica italic and Times italic are two italics). I suspect that type can be set in blackletters too, but I don't see an example at the moment. —Michael Z. 2009-03-31 22:55 z

 * I stand corrected! †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 00:16, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:black letter


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عفو

Noun

 * 1) pardon, forgiveness, remission of sins, amnesty, absolution
 * 1) pardon, forgiveness, remission of sins, amnesty, absolution

Adjective

 * 1) remitting much, clement, inclined to frequent pardon

Etymology 1
.

Noun

 * 1) a forgiving, forgiveness, pardon
 * 2) an excusing from some duty
 * 3) a dismissing or releasing from some office, dismissal; release

Etymology 2
.

Adjective

 * 1) habitually forgiving
 * 2) all-forgiving (God)

Etymology 1
.

Noun

 * 1) erasing, cancelling, obliterating
 * 2) effacing the vestiges of the house, covering them with dust (wind)
 * 3) forgiving, passing by a transgression
 * 4) remitting punishment
 * 5) loathing anything
 * 6) pardon, forgiveness, remission of sins

Etymology 2
.

Adjective

 * 1) one who forgives much

Etymology 1
.

Noun

 * 1) absolution, forgiveness, pardon, remission (of sins)

Etymology 2
.

Adjective

 * 1) forgiving, merciful

title: عفو


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Talk:obamiano

Tea room discussion
(to become blue presently ...)

Good new word. This is from a film review :
 * «L'ultima frontiera della rivoluzione sessuale», ha commentato il quotidiano Die Tageszeitung sotto il titolo obamiano «Yes, we can».
 * "the ultimate frontier of the sexual revolution" commented the daily Die Tageszeitung under the Obamian title "Yes, we can." (my translation)

If it is good enough for Corriere della Sera to use in print today, it is good enough for me! Robert Ullmann 11:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I have a strong suspicion that they're only calling it the latest frontier, not the ultimate one. I'll be happy to be wrong, though. :-)  (BTW, is "over 70" standard in Italian, or is the headline just using English for fun?) —Ruakh TALK 01:19, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Judging from n.g.c., this won't technically meet CFI for another month or so -- the first cite I saw was from early March 08 -- but I don't think there's any room for reasonable doubt that it will pass (the papers aren't just going to suddenly stop using it, though it may acquire new meanings). :-) Seems that it is sometimes capitalized? -- Visviva 01:53, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:pathography

Tea room discussion
The uses I can find don't seem to match the given definition, but I can't quite express the senses I'm finding, such as on b.g.c. --EncycloPetey 00:22, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:chased

Tea room discussion
I'm reading "Gaspar brought a curiously chased flask of myrrh, a royal embalming oil. " This from a text relating to yesterday (the holiday Epiphany). I cannot find any sense of this word that sheds meaning to this quote. Anyone? __meco 09:10, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Looks like Etymology 3, Verb, sense 3 under chase. An unfortunate casualty of our layout conventions? -- Visviva 10:25, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Appreciated! I missed that one. __meco 16:54, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:chased


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Talk:liþe

Tea room discussion
While wading through the cognates of lind in Deutsches Wörterbuch, I noticed that the Old English word is spelt lyðe (Angelsachsisch ebenso lyðe = OE idem lyðe ). I skip these cognates usually, but this time I was surprised by the discrepancy and given that the entry's main contributor is User:Drago, I would like to request someone who is conversant with that language to check whether it is ð or þ. Bogorm 21:30, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Perhaps About Old English might be illuminating on this topic. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 21:46, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

 * The OED Online gives only <ð> and <th> spellings, but a number of its quotations have it with <þ>. —Ruakh TALK 02:30, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

 * The two letters are semantically identical. We use thorns here, but the Anglo-Saxons used both interchangeably, with no apparent rhyme or reason.  Ƿidsiþ 15:22, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:liþe


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ھ

Letter

 * 1) The forty-fourth letter of the Balti alphabet, written in the Perso-Arabic script

Letter

 * 1) The forty-sixth letter of the Burushaski alphabet, written in the Perso-Arabic script

Letter

 * 1) The twenty-third letter of the Kazakh in Arabic Script. It represents the Cyrillic letter Һ.

Letter

 * 1) The thirty-fifth letter of the Urdu alphabet. It has no sound value on its own, but causes the preceding consonant to be aspirated.

Letter

 * 1) The twenty-fourth letter of the Uyghur alphabet.

title: ھ


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Talk:take one's ball and go home

Tea room discussion
What does this phrase mean?? I've heard it being used several times, but can't work out what it means. If anyone knows that would be helpful, I can add it in the ball article, where it's relevant. AC --Sunstar NW XP 01:07, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

 * The action is an assertion of one's power to get out of a situation that has turned to one's disadvantage. From the point of view of others engaged in the game so brought to an end it might be seen as an act of selfishness. I'm not 100% sure it merits inclusion as a separate entry. Perhaps you can find a quotation to place at the appropriate figurative sense of ball (which might well be missing). DCDuring Holiday Greetings! 20:48, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I think take one's ball and go home deserves an entry. It's one I hear often enough and which is highly idiomatic. --EncycloPetey 20:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Alternative forms
I’m not sure of the proper format for including these, but the expression is often heard as either “take one’s bat and ball and go home” or “take one’s ball and bat and go home”. (The first “and” in each is sometimes written as an ampersand.) What are the conventions regarding provision of alternate forms in a main entry or creation of redirection pages pointing to it? —Odysseus1479 (talk) 19:11, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

title: Talk:take one's ball and go home


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Talk:honk

Tea room discussion
Would someone please take a look at the verb section, there is a sentence that does not seem to belong to anywhere, I wasn't sure what to do with it. Thanks. --Panda10 20:06, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Resolved + PoS corrections. DCDuring Holiday Greetings! 20:40, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

RFV discussion: January–February 2018
Slang for "money". Apparently coined by comedian Alex Horne to try to get a word into the OED. See. Equinox ◑ 21:26, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

 * I added one cite by Alex Horne, but we still need two more independent uses. In chapter 4 of his book Wordwatching, Alex Horne talks about independent uses by BBC five and BBC4, but I haven't managed to find the actual citations. Kiwima (talk) 22:32, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

RFV-failed Kiwima (talk) 23:26, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

title: Talk:honk


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mesterséges intelligencia

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  artificial intelligence

Declension

 * For the noun, see.
 * The adjective remains unchanged.

title: mesterséges intelligencia


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Talk:yoni

Tea room discussion
Defined as "The womb or vulva, or a symbol of it..." etc. I feel that I want to take out "womb", because although the Sanskrit word can have that meaning, I'm not sure it's ever used that way in English. But maybe someone else knows otherwise...? Ƿidsiþ 23:41, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sending to RfV for resolution since it didn't get any here. — Carolina wren discussió 02:42, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

RFV discussion
Originally from the Tea Room and not resolved. Bringing here for resolution. Original discussion was:
 * Defined as "The womb or vulva, or a symbol of it..." etc. I feel that I want to take out "womb", because although the Sanskrit word can have that meaning, I'm not sure it's ever used that way in English.  But maybe someone else knows otherwise...? Ƿidsiþ 23:41, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Note that this word is on the French Wikrionary as a French word with the same meaning. — Carolina wren discussió 02:33, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

 * OK, well having gathered a few citations which are fairly inconclusive, I've just fudged it and changed to definition to say ‘female sexual organs’. Ƿidsiþ 13:51, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:yoni


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سیلی

Noun

 * 1) blow upon the nape of the neck with the open hand edgewise (as in killing a rabbit)
 * 2) any blow with the hand, a box on the ear, a slap in the face, etc.
 * 3) musical stringed instrument

Descendants

 * → Armenian:
 * → Armenian:
 * → Armenian:

title: سیلی


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Talk:uninhibited

Tea room discussion
if a relationship is uninhibited, what exactly does this mean ?

 * Assuming a two-person relationship, Uninhibited with respect to:
 * Relationship and behavior between the partners
 * OR
 * Relationship and behavior between each partner and others.
 * I'd say you would want more information to make that kind of distinction. DCDuring Holiday Greetings! 23:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:uninhibited


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Talk:do you know who I am

Tea room discussion
This entry could do with a review from another pair of eyes. I haven't really described this right - I mean, how people say this when they expect differential treatment for some reason, and they don't get it (I'm sure there's a word for this). There's tonnes of great potential citations around on the web, but my brain isn't up to adding citations or usage notes at the moment. --Jackofclubs 15:53, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Could equally be  don't you know who I am?. I don't entirely like the definition given, because it's not directly an arrogant expression of one's importance, is it? They do literally mean to ask whether you are aware of their identity; the preferential treatment is just something to be deduced from that awareness. Equinox 16:15, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

 * You're right, of course - "don't..." is probably better. I guess it's a question of intonation, too. If I asked you just now "do you know who I am", then you would probably say, "yes, you are Jackofclubs, it says so on your profile" and not think too much about it, but if I said "don't you know who I am" then we can assume that I consider myself superior, and you stupid scum who should do as I wish. Also, we could add something like "if someone says this, he is deemed to have lost the moral argument" - ach, my brain isn't in the right state to express myself at the moment. --Jackofclubs 16:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Jackofclubs, do you not recognise me? Can you not see what is before your eyes? Dost thou not recognise the sum of parts? Pingku 18:30, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The question is as nothing: the rhetorical point is your implied stupidity in not knowing the answer. Pingku 18:44, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:do you know who I am


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Talk:y-

Tea room discussion
Is it not highly likely that this and all forms using it are actually not English but rather Middle English? Generally, a significant proportion of the English senses marked "archaic" and "obsolete" seem to be more conveniently treated as Middle English. DCDuring Holiday Greetings! 16:30, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I think yclept is occasionally found in Modern English. —Stephen 19:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

 * The problem is many of these forms, though not survivng to modern English, outlasted the M iddle English epriod by some way. As Stephen says, yclept and a couple of others are still sometimes used as deliberate archaisms.  Ƿidsiþ 20:08, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Actually the only thing I dislike is showing the "y-" and other mostly Middle English forms on inflection lines, where they add clutter and no value to all but a tiny number of users. I agree that we need some way of referencing the Middle English forms in the English entry. To some extent, including the Middle English lemma in the etymology, even when its spelling is identical to the Modern English, would provide the required link. I'm sure there are cases like "yclept" and "ycumen" that might warrant a full Modern English entry. DCDuring TALK 20:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I don't think I understand you. Where else would they be if not the inflection line?  They're words, after all....  Ƿidsiþ 20:28, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

 * They would have their own entries as inflected forms, with both English and Middle English language sections.
 * They would also appear on the inflection line for the identically spelled Middle English form as well as any other appropriate Middle English spellings.
 * The Middle English lemma would be in the Modern English etymology.
 * Thus any experienced user and most enwikt-newbie scholars of early modern English would readily find the inflected forms. The gain would be a less confusing, misleading, and antiquarian appearance of the inflection line for "ordinary" users, including especially language learners. DCDuring TALK 20:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

 * See the newly-created . You can see that the arch. 3rd-pers. sing. præs. act. ind. form and the rare past form are both clearly marked with the appropriate context tags; this is what we do wherever forms needing comment appear — why ought conjugation and inflexion lines be any different? †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 18:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Ah, right....well if this is what DCDuring meant, then I agree with him. Not that this is ME, but it certainly seems unnecessarily messy to me.  Ƿidsiþ 21:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Not that I think it’s messy, but I agree that the situation is less than ideal. should really go a the end of the conjugation (after the past forms), and ditto *undefined:; however, the way that is set up at præsent doesn’t really allow that. (I could write in the past forms’ parameter:  lent a helping hand or (rare) lended a helping hand, archaic second-person singular simple present *lendest a helping hand, archaic third-person singular simple present lendeth a helping hand   to give the conjugation line as:  lend a helping hand (third-person singular simple present lends a helping hand, present participle lending a helping hand, simple past and past participle lent a helping hand or (rare) lended a helping hand, archaic second-person singular simple present *lendest a helping hand, archaic third-person singular simple present lendeth a helping hand)  but that code would be very messy.) Ideally, we’d have named parameters such as arch2= and arch3= for these forms which, if not specified, would simply display nothing. Thoughts? †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 15:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I wholly embrace this proposal, since the second person sg. pronoun thou should undoubtedly be included as should the archaic ending -eth for he/she/it. Bogorm 16:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * This seems to make a strong case for using for verbal idioms. I dread the appearance of even lend under this proposal (if it is indeed a proper proposal). OTOH, keeping ordinary users away to the greatest extent possible might reduce the need for patrolling and would certainly reduce the load on the servers. I'm sure that those who use our content for their own on-line dictionaries will not have any serious trouble stripping out what they don't need. I know also that language learners also need to be encouraged to use other on-line resources beside enwikt. So, by all means, we should have a template that facilitates placing more obscurantist content on the inflection line. DCDuring TALK 16:49, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * You seem to be under the impression that today is Sarcasm Day, but in fact it's Martin Luther King, Jr. Day. Don't feel bad; J. Edgar Hoover made the same mistake. —Ruakh TALK 17:02, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Moi? DCDuring TALK 19:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * DCDuring, this is not an attempt at obscurantism; please try to suggest ways that this information (which is perhaps of more historical interest) can be clearly præsented without detracting from information which aids learners. E.g., would it be possible for the end of the conjugation line to feature a button — similar in function to rel-tables’ show/hide toggles (but instead with the text [more]/<tt>[less]</tt>) — by default set not to show the additional, more academic content, which could be clicked by users with an interest in these archaic and other forms? †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 17:14, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * IMO this is one of many excellent uses for Usage notes -- in this case, to describe certain historical aspects of usage. (With a usage note, we could even, if we wished, note the specific historical periods in which a particular inflection was current.) -- Visviva 17:19, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Fwiw, I agree obsolete forms do not belong in an inflection line where a corresponding form is currently used. (In other words, if the word currently has no third-person present, then by all means list the obsolete form, marking it as such. But if it does, don't.)—msh210 ℠  17:58, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * True current and fairly recent (19th century? older?) alternative forms should appear on the inflection line.
 * Visviva's suggestion of Usage notes covers more cases. We may need to have some more structure for Usage notes as we have more content that we place there.
 * My original proposal stands: Put forms prevalent in Middle English under Middle English entries, referencing the Middle English in the English Etymology, even if the forms were used in the Early Modern English period. This is admittedly not 100% accurate, but offers practical advantages. I guess it is true of many Middle English forms that they survived into Early Modern.
 * It is rare, obsolete, and archaic forms that we would want to remove from the inflection line (not, I hasten to add, remove their entries nor exclude them altogether from the English lemma). I don't know whether something similar to the Middle English trick would work for any dialect forms. DCDuring TALK 19:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Nota the quotation from 1852 in our entry for — from the mid-19th century — 482 years after the traditional date when Middle English became Early Modern English (circa 1470) and 202 years after Early Modern English became Modern English (circa 1650, according to Wikipedia).

 * One may quæstion the utility of specifying the arch. 3rd-pers. sing. præs. act. ind. form, seeing as it is formed so regularly (+); however, the same, of course, goes for both the non-arch. 3rd-pers. sing. præs. act. ind. form and especially the præsent participle (though not the past forms, which display irregularity with far greater frequency). This form is often misused (sometimes so much as to be used for all three persons and for both numbers, as well as sometimes being applied to tenses other than the præs. ind.), so it could be argued that we’re teaching more people something they didn’t know already by specifying the archaic third-person yaddy rather than the non-archaic third-person yadda (not, of course, that I’m advocating the absurdity of leaving out the current common form).

 * FWIW, I see specifying the arch. 2nd-pers. sing. præs. act. ind. form as more important than doing so for the 3rd, since while the latter is pretty much solely used for archaism nowadays, the former still has applications for shorthand translations of languages that still distinguish the singular and plural 2nd-person pronouns as well as English dialects that also maintain the distinction (such as the Yorkshire dialect); furthermore, the arch. 2nd-pers. sing. forms seem a lot more anomalous than the arch. 3rd-pers. sing. forms, often featuring markedly distinct indicative and subjunctive, and præsent and past forms (e.g.,, , , , , , , , , , &c.). †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 19:10, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Hear, hear. And let's not forget the added benefit, that we can show everyone exactly how smart we are.  (By "everyone", I mean of course "us", since no one else would likely bother to use Wiktionary if this approach became standard.) :-P Hmm... perhaps part of my unease at this proposal is that I don't want people to know exactly how smart I am.  Much, much better to keep them guessing. -- Visviva 17:19, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:balkanise

Tea room discussion
balkanise or Balkanise? Either? RJFJR 15:02, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

 * shows a clear preference for lowercase, especially among uses, but capitalized is not uncommon. (with a Z) is less clear, but still seems to prefer lowercase. —Ruakh TALK 23:47, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

 * As usual I'll chip in with Chambers' rendition: Bal'kanize or Bal'kanise, vt (also without cap) to reduce to the condition of the Balkan peninsula, which was divided in the late 19th and early 20th centuries into a number of mutually hostile territories. In any case it's pretty clear that we are talking about the Balkans, which are generally capitalised, so any lower-case variant is a sort of assimilation of the original upper-case one. Equinox 01:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Balkanise

Tea room discussion
balkanise or Balkanise? Either? RJFJR 15:02, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

 * shows a clear preference for lowercase, especially among uses, but capitalized is not uncommon. (with a Z) is less clear, but still seems to prefer lowercase. —Ruakh TALK 23:47, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

 * As usual I'll chip in with Chambers' rendition: Bal'kanize or Bal'kanise, vt (also without cap) to reduce to the condition of the Balkan peninsula, which was divided in the late 19th and early 20th centuries into a number of mutually hostile territories. In any case it's pretty clear that we are talking about the Balkans, which are generally capitalised, so any lower-case variant is a sort of assimilation of the original upper-case one. Equinox 01:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

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mesterséges

Adjective

 * 1) artificial, manmade

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Talk:sadi

Tea room discussion
I was about to create the entry for sadi, but then there was a warning that the page was previously deleted. sadi is listed as an alternative spelling for sadhe. I was going to create an entry very similar to sade, another alternative spelling. I'm not sure if this is related, but Sadi with capital "S" redirects to sadhe. sadi is listed on the Association of British Scrabble Players website: http://www.absp.org.uk/words/4s.html Any reason why I should not create this entry? Disclaimer: I have no expertise on the Hebrew alphabet, but was hunting for anagrams for "said". :*) --AZard 23:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

 * The capital version Sadi is left over debris from the case conversion; it should have been left at lc; the lc (also a redirect) was subsequently deleted. I've deleted Sadi, you should go ahead and create sadi again as alt-spell of sahde. Robert Ullmann 11:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:asperges

Tea room 2009 discussion
It says "present active" but isn't that incomplete? Shouldn't it indicate either "present active infinitive" or "present active participle"? __meco 09:23, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's incorrect. It's the second-person singular future active indicative .  I have corrected the entry. --EncycloPetey 09:49, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:canteen cup

Tea room discussion
Should this be added as an entry? Or as a separate sense under canteen or cup? --Panda10 15:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I've never heard of it, but it looks like it's a pretty specific thing, much more than I would have imagined from canteen + cup. So yeah, I'd go with creating it as a separate entry. -- Visviva 15:29, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I thought that dictionaries in general and Wiktionary in particular are about "words" not "things", as in "all words in all languages".

 * This seems like attributive use of the noun canteen. I would contrast this to dixie cup and loving cup. If distinctive thinginess is what counts, then we need to adjust cfi more along the lines of an encyclopedic dictionary, lest we include, say, computer monitor and magazine article. DCDuring TALK 16:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Not sure I follow... judging from the images -- which are all I have to go on at the moment -- this refers to a particular kind of funny-looking metal cup. How does that follow from the meaning of "canteen"?  Is it a cup used at a canteen?  Or made from an old canteen?  Puzzledly, -- Visviva 17:42, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Now that the entry has been created, I am somewhat less clueless. Still, it's not a canteen, or part of a canteen; it's a cup that is located near and in a unique relationship to the canteen.  Since I don't think of canteens as being associated with cups, I would have had no idea what someone writing about a "canteen cup" was referring to.  (I probably would have assumed it was one of those little metal mugs that backpackers carry.)   -- Visviva 18:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

 * A good dictionary is a book about the "words" for "things", even things that have more than one word in their names. As an example, some languages (polysynthetic) have an infinite number of single-word verbs, the vast majority of which correspond to a complex notion in English (such as "we gave those two dead animals to these beautiful young girl yesterday"), while other languages have rather few simple verbs at all (Chechen, for example, like to make verbs with a noun and the verb дан, to do), so that if only single words are entered, a Chechen dictionary would have few verbs in it. Abstract and concrete "things" should always have entries, even when they take more than one word. Individual words may not always merit an entry because their meanings are too complex (e.g., Spanish explicándoselo, "explaining it to him", or Finnish tottelemattomuudestansa, "because of his lack of obedience", or Ojibwe enihtaagwaashkwebijibii'igeng, "knowing how to write syllabics"). —Stephen 20:44, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Visviva: Then would the rule be that: if any admin didn't get any of the extant meanings of the collocation, then the collocation should be included? I don't see how the considerations you mention are part of the criteria for inclusion. Perhaps they should be.

 * SGBrown: I can't speak to the best rules inclusion for Chechen Wiktionary, which might well be exactly as you say. Of course we have many entries that for multiple-word units of meaning, for which we have criteria for inclusion. If our essential purpose is to create target entries for other languages, then our criteria for inclusion should definitely be so amended.

 * Both of these lines of discussion would seem to warrant a BP discussion of the criteria for inclusion. DCDuring TALK 21:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

 * But it's more than a collocation; it's an idiom. If our definition is correct, then it's a specific term with a specific meaning that cannot be guessed from the meanings of its components, even knowing which is the relevant sense for each component. —Ruakh TALK 22:37, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm slightly bewildered by this turn of discussion. All I'm saying is that this term appears, to me, to meet the fried egg test; it has a meaning that is more specific than the combination of its parts.  If that's not the case, our definition is in error.  -- Visviva 01:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Thanks for making explicit the rationale. I think I understand the "fried egg" test. The idiomatic fried egg is a only a subset of eggs that are fried, the SoP meaning of the collocation. I don't see how this applies here. A canteen cup is a cup for a canteen or a cup that accompanies a canteen or a cup that is issued with a canteen. I believe that all and only "canteen cups" fit that and that there is no other extant or even plausible SoP meaning. There may be some other rationale, but I am not convinced of this one. DCDuring TALK 04:46, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * FWIW, I interpreted “canteen cup” to mean something synonymous with “cafeteria cup”. †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 15:28, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Fair enough. I have only a quick scan of Google Images (and Books) to go on, but all of the images seem to depict the same type of cup -- which, not being a military person, I can't recall having seen before.  The Books hits generally seemed consistent with the images, though it's hard to be sure; they are also overwhelmingly military in nature.  Many Books hits use "canteen cup" independent of any reference to a canteen, e.g., which suggests they are referring to a specific, known type of cup. I would be interested to know if there are cases of canteen cup used to refer to some other type of canteen-associated cup, such as a hiking mug (or whatever you call those things).  -- Visviva 05:48, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * The context of use plus the meanings of the component words provides the definition in the usage I have looked at. All the usage that I looked at was military/outdoorsy and in no way depended on any specific aspect of cup design (except that it be fire-resistant and plausibly present in the setting). If one didn't know what a canteen was or expected another type of canteen, one would be quickly set on the right path by looking up canteen. I would would have thought that this would be deemed encyclopedic except for its triviality. DCDuring TALK 17:22, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

 * How can you tell that in the citation above the writer wasn't referring to a cup he took from the canteen (cafeteria) down the road, or a plastic cup he keeps in his canteen (compartmented box), or a ceramic mug he packs in a bag next to his canteen (water bottle)? How can you tell that he's referring to a cup designed to nest with his water bottle and fit into a purpose-made pouch on his military web gear? —Michael Z. 2009-01-20 19:27 z

 * If such specificity were required, we would be hard-pressed indeed to find attestation citations that confirmed that the specific definition of "canteen cup" in fact corresponded to the "canteen cup" in the citation. In the fifty or so citations I looked at, there was nothing much that would have precluded any of the meanings except plausibility: ceramics in combat?, plastics in a fire?, "canteen" (vs. "mess" or "field kitchen") in a combat environment?. There was nothing in any of the citations (except for congressional testimony about a redesign of the canteen/cup system) where the specifics of the design in any way mattered. US military designs probably differ from those of other militaries, from civilian models, and designs differ by era. The constant element is that the cup is designed to suitable for use with and in the same conditions as the canteen it accompanies.
 * I suppose that, in an adversarial setting, a speaker or writer might try to mislead one about the meaning. But speech is normally more cooperative, so it is left for punning humorists to play against our usually legitimate and rarely disappointed linguistic expectations. DCDuring TALK 21:39, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Hm. I don't think these things are self-evident, and the job of the definition is to make them explicit.  But I suppose to do a thorough job, we ought to find attestations which do prove these relationships.  I really can't prove that canteen cup is not etymologically related to the canteen (mess kit) or canteen (field kitchen).

 * But also don't make any unjustified assumptions. Soldiers do carry other cups around in the field, including plastic (melmac) cups and plates they've been issued, and ceramic cups hoisted from a base mess.  The Squadron Sergeant Major does set up a canteen (snack shop, not mess or kitchen) in the back of a truck where the men can buy chips, coke, and possibly beer during field operations.  And, at least to me, a canteen cup is designed so that one can use it to eat a whole meal out of, when he has lost or broken his issue plate.  Don't know if the dictionary should agree, as this is all from my own experience.

 * And I suppose a civilian camper can carry a tin cup or a canteen cup.

 * I should look over more attestations. Did you use books.G.c, or other sources too? —Michael Z. 2009-01-20 23:45 z

 * I always start with b.g.c. because it provides high-quality text with plenty of context (as opposed to Usenet) with no disappointment due to need for a subscription (Scholar and News). I really wish we had less debatable "rules" with respect to includable noun phrases. Many of the "easings" lead to way too much inclusion. DCDuring TALK 00:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Most of the photos show the US style of canteen cup. There are at least a few other kinds: similar designs, German ones in which the cup nests on top, and at least one non-military imitation. It is a cup specifically made to fit the canteen, and is part of the kit including canteen, cup, and holder for the web belt. If I took a cup from my kitchen and stuck it in with the canteen, it still wouldn't be a canteen cup (although I may call it my “canteen cup”, quotation marks sic).

Perhaps this needs a (military) or (camping) context label. If you say “canteen cup” to a North American soldier, outdoorsman, or boy scout, he will have a very specific image in his head. —Michael Z. 2009-01-19 15:29 z

 * I added the context labels and the second sense. Please correct if needed. Thanks. --Panda10 15:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that these are two different senses. These are the main groups I can think of who would use the term, perhaps also including hunters, rangers, etc; anyone who spends time living in the field. —Michael Z. 2009-01-20 16:18 z

Interesting, after scanning the first few results pages in Google books, I notice that a significant number refer to the cup's capacity: including recipes, estimations of water for sustenance, etc. One German culinary dictionary even provides a measurement: “canteen cup US = 710 ml (Kükchenmaß)” (1.5 pints). I don't know if this is prominent enough to add a sense, but I suppose the name of any standard container is also a measure of what it holds.

Is canteen cup only an American (and Canadian) usage? I didn't notice any which were obviously British. —Michael Z. 2009-01-22 23:16 z

 * Now that this is becoming a life-or-death matter, perhaps we need the "canteen cup" entry for a UK user who, stranded in the desert, with his netbook's last bit of battery life connects wirelessly to Wiktionary to help decipher the potentially life-saving note left by a US soldier in North Africa that he has just discovered which measures everything in canteen cups. One can only hope that a German cookbook author is using a captured vintage American canteen of the same specification. DCDuring TALK 01:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:gecko

Tea room discussion
I'm not sure how/where to ask this so I'll ask it here. Could someone please add pronunciation info on gecko? I wonder if the 'g' is pronounced as 'j' (as in 'jail') or 'g' (as in 'guild'). Thanks, Malafaya 19:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

 * It has been added. It’s a hard 'g' as in guild. —Stephen 20:48, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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Thesaurus talk:Native American

Tea room 2009 discussion
This wikisaurus entry mixes up two or three different things, and probably belongs under a less US-centric headword.

The indigenous, native, or Aboriginal peoples of the Americas include not only Indians, but also Inuit and Eskimo, Aleut, and Métis.

Indians live in both North and South America. American Indian, Native American, Amerindian or Amerind often refer to people specifically in the USA. In Canada, First Nations is more acceptable than Indian in formal writing. Sometimes Indio is used in a Latin-American context. —Michael Z. 2009-01-19 15:02 z

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թավա

Etymology
From, from , from. .

Noun

 * 1) frying pan, pan, skillet

title: թավա


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Talk:slim

Tea room discussion
I am interested in the dialectal words of English in the Old World (Eurasia and Africa) and I just read in one grammar that in East African English Slim means AIDS. Can someone with appropriate background or acquaintances verify this? Bogorm 21:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have a medical background, with a certificate in tropical medicine, and indeed seem to have heard such too, probably because of the weight loss in the later stages of the disease, though I have no sources is at hand.--219.69.81.128 01:59, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

 * agrees. It also pulls up occurrences of the fuller form "slim disease", though most of those seem to be mentions. Mentions of undefined: itself seem divided between specific reference to said weight loss, and general reference to AIDS as the disease that causes it. Uses seem mostly to have latter sense, I think. The latter certainly meets our criteria for inclusion, and the former may, though I'm not sure. (We can sidestep this issue by putting both senses in one sense line, something like "AIDS, or the weight loss associated with its later stages.") —Ruakh TALK 02:07, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:pull out all the stops

Tea room discussion
as in: "To mark the anniversary festivities of the founding of the People’s Republic, the authorities will pull out every stop to ensure a trouble-free capital."

The meaning seems clear from context, is this standard usage? If so, should an entry be created?--219.69.81.128 01:47, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure if it's standard. It's definitely not as common as pull out all the stops:. —Ruakh TALK 22:35, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Surprisingly to me, almost as common on bgc as [[pull out all the stops]] is [[pull out the stops]]. A larger portion of the hits for this less emphatic form seem to be of the more literal meaning having to do with making music (organ? piano?). DCDuring TALK 00:40, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:abs

Tea room discussion
I'm seriously doubting that people honestly intend to mean "abdominal muscles" in general when they use ab: or abs:. In reality, this sounds like a folk taxonomy, and what is so designated is more specifically the banding patterns of the rectus abdominis muscle. cf. six pack:, when you'd need to make a larger provision if you were actually counting all the pattern of the frontal abdominal muscles. Circeus 04:02, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't "abs" be a clip of "abdominal muscles"? "Abdominal muscles" > "abdominals" > "abs" is certainly the derivation of the term.  Any other derivation is a stretch and violates Occam's Razor. (Taivo 05:36, 22 January 2009 (UTC))
 * Just because that's the etymology doesn't mean that's what people use it for. If you ask people to actually count abs, how many are likely to count the oblique abdominals (technically, the rectus is a pair of muscle, but the point regarding the definition still stand)? Many people won't consider somebody even has abs unless the ridges are actually visible.
 * We have a virtually identical issue in the definition of pec:, which is not just a pectoral muscle, but very specifically the pectoralis major. Circeus 06:29, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * But if a person is doing situps, whether they have visible ridges or not, and you ask them what they are doing, they are quite likely to respond with "I'm working on my abs." While the onlooker may require visible ridges to say "abs", the person doing the workout can call his own stomach "abs" whether or not ridges are visible.  Both aspects of the definition are important. (Taivo 07:34, 22 January 2009 (UTC))

Personally, I have never heard "ab" (singular) used. I have heard trainers say "This exercise will target your abs.", and there is no reason to think that a person must have visible abdominal banding of the rectus abdominus muscles for that statement to apply. --EncycloPetey 16:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Some people are told to "work their abs" by orthopedists, "sports doctors", and chiropractors not for the appearance, but to reduce the incidence of back injury or pain. Surprisingly not every speaker of English is in the 21-44 demographic. DCDuring TALK 16:53, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Mathematics
I think abs in the sense of absolute function in mathematics is worldwide usual. Should we put it under translingual? H. (talk) 17:59, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

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számítógépes program

Noun

 * 1)  computer program

Declension

 * For the noun, see.
 * The adjective remains unchanged.

title: számítógépes program


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Talk:cosy

Tea room discussion
"Alternative spellings: cosey, cosie, cozey, cozie, cozy (North America)". Are the first four real? They don't seem to be! Update: I'm marginally less sceptical now that I realise they might only be used for the noun (teapot cover) and not the adj, but only a little. Equinox 19:47, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Just speculation, but they may also be archaic spellings. —Michael Z. 2009-01-22 22:27 z

 * Sounds believable, but if so they should definitely be marked as such. Equinox 22:32, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

French
Could you review the French term, including whether the plurals are correct? The definition "correlation" is completely different from the corresponding definitions in frwikt. Benwing2 (talk) 19:01, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The definition is wrong, of course (frwikt definitions are the right ones), and the plural cosys is OK. Lmaltier (talk) 19:45, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

"Social" in the first definition of "cozy"
I can't find any proof that "social" has some relation to comfort and coziness. Is this a mistake or am I missing something? To me "social" sounds like the complete opposite of "cozy". Janlija (talk) 08:48, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:field of fire

Tea room discussion
opinions on whether or not this should be in the wiktionary? --Sawbackedeagle 20:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Not sure, but compare field of vision, field of view, line of fire, line of sight, kill zone, beaten zone, crossfire. Surest way to answer the question is to find three or more solid attestations. —Michael Z. 2009-01-22 22:27 z

 * I'm happy with it, even though I know I'm a bit of a sum-of-parts Nazi most of the time. I can imagine somebody looking it up, and it isn't the most obvious way to put those parts together to produce the meaning. Equinox 22:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Yes. Added. SemperBlotto 22:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Nazi

Tea room discussion
When I called myself a "sum-of-parts Nazi" in the section above, I looked up Nazi to see whether Wiktionary had the slang sense of a disciplinarian, and I suddenly remembered my history teacher at secondary school. She insisted on calling them the "nazzies" (a bit like the navvies, who also came up in modern history), which tended to amuse the class because we all knew they were "nart-sees". So I suddenly wonder whether this is a legitimate Anglicisation or merely one teacher's bizarre kink. Anybody know? Equinox 22:31, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I've heard that too, but I suppose it must be an affected use, because my standard references don't have it. I'll add pronunciation, though. —Michael Z. 2009-01-22 22:56 z

 * Sounds like a spelling pronunciation. (Taivo 02:36, 23 January 2009 (UTC))

 * I seem to recall Winston Churchill was known for deliberately and consistently mispronouncing "Nazi" as "nah-zee" (i.e., without the "t" sound). Pingku 06:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

 * John S. Kenyon and Thomas A. Knott argue in A Pronouncing Dictionary of American English that it is in the best principles to English to so pronounce foreign words instead of using a bastardized version of the foreign pronunciation. I uploaded File:Henry Hall - Japs and Nazis.ogg as an example of this pronunciation; unfortunately, due to the nature of flowing speech, I couldn't extract just the word Nazi and have it sound natural.--Prosfilaes (talk) 10:45, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

RFC
I think the sense "consisting of Nazis" (as opposed to "pertaining to Nazism") is an effort to distinguish "Nazi" as in "a Nazi group" from "Nazi" as in "his Nazi ideals"... but if that distinction is worthwhile, and I'm not sure it is, there must be a better way of wording the sense. - -sche (discuss) 05:50, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * For me, it's a delete. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:18, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * As a noun, English has Nazi and Nazism (National Socialist and National Socialism). It is quite possible that other languages have that distinction in adjectives, and then the distinction would be worthwhile. --129.125.102.126 22:22, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a fair point. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:01, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

 * I've combined the senses. - -sche (discuss) 08:38, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Etymological info
From [//en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Nazi&diff=24164349&oldid=23800486 diff]: "In the 24th edition of Etymologisches Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache - 2002, it states that the word Nazi was favoured in southern Germany (supposedly from c.1924) among opponents of National Socialism because the nickname Nazi, Naczi (from the masculine proper name Ignatz, the German form of Ignatius) was used colloquially to mean "a foolish person, clumsy or awkward person." - a Bavarian oaf. The popular Austrian Catholic name Ignatz was, according to a source in World War one a generic name German Empire term for Austrian-Hungarian soldiers."

 * As de:Nazi points out, Nazi was formed in analogy to Sozi (i. e., Sozialist or Sozialdemokrat) as well. This is supported by the additional formation Kozi for Kommunist (which I had never encountered before until now).
 * There's also de:Bazi, a derogative term for Bavarians, which may have played a role, if it was already current at the time – it is very usual now. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 15:06, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Pejorativeness as a political designation
As revert to my edit correctly points out, "Nazi" as a pejorative for "neo-Nazi" doesn't make a great deal of sense; however, "Nazi" as a pejorative for some of the other ideologies which are lumped together most certainly does. Also, put "identitarian" for "ethnic," ("ethnic ideology" is awkward, "identitarianism" is an ideology, "ethnicity" isn't, neither is "xenophobia", which is merely an attitude, not an ideology) and "White supremacist" and/or "White nationalist" for "racist," as this is by and large, the only sort of racism which the term is used for (even someone like Louis Farrakhan, a very serious anti-Semite, and arguably one with fascistic characteristics and even aesthetics, is not at all likely to get the label although I'm sured it's been used against him from time to time.)

Also thanks to same user for improving my addition as regards to etymology. (However, I think it is rather more than "possible" that this is the etymology; if I recall correctly, a specific journalist, Jewish and associated with the KPD if memory serves, is identifiably the source of this usage. Not recalling his name I would have to do further research.) PavelCristovic (talk) 20:32, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

 * I don't think that e.g. a newspaper calling e.g. a white supremacist fascist who would prefer not to be called a Nazi is pejorative (belittling), though; I think it's just claiming that the person is within the scope of the term as it is generally used to denote people who occupy a certain part of the ideological spectrum. Such claims can also be made in greyer cases, about people who are less obviously in that part of the ideological spectrum, but I'm not sure how that should be handled; in less extreme cases, it doesn't seem like a separate sense. At the extreme, of course, it bleeds into the tendency to use several political terms, not just this one, without any real meaning at all (think of all the people who described Barack Obama as a Nazi, communist, fascist, socialist, capitalist and Marxist, sometimes in the same sentence). Regarding the etymology, many of the books cited as references for the etymology hedge the claim of influence to varying degrees, noting that Nazi as a shortening of national-sozial predates the NSDAP and has a straightforward phonological basis, and the "peasant" slang homonym only "possibly" or probably influenced the term's popularity. - -sche (discuss) 22:07, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

RFV discussion: June–July 2018
Rfv-sense "(derogatory) the German language". I found one citation that is probably this sense, but everything else I see looks like the preceding sense, "the language (ideological jargon) of Nazis". - -sche (discuss) 00:46, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

 * Ha, I bet I can guess who added that! Mulder in The X-Files (episode "Triangle") did once say "I don't speak Nazi": he was talking to a Nazi but presumably referring to German and not jargon. Equinox ◑ 18:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

 * There is a (somewhat) common phrase "I don't speak X" used when one wants to imply that one doesn't care about what a person is saying due to the class of person they are/represent. I have also heard that formation used when someone is using excessive jargon. I have heard "I don't speak moron", "I don't speak fascist", "I don't speak cop", etc. This might be an instance of that. - TheDaveRoss  00:08, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

RFV-failed Kiwima (talk) 03:01, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

 * Just notifying you that I have readded the sense after finding quotes. Please take a look to make sure you're okay with it. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 01:21, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

clumsy peasant definition
From etymology:
 * A homonymic term Nazi was in use before the rise of the NSDAP in Bavaria as a pet name for Ignaz and (by extension from that) a derogatory word for a backwards peasant

Wikipedia article phrases it:
 * The term "Nazi" was in use before the rise of the NSDAP as a colloquial and derogatory word for a backwards farmer or peasant, characterizing an awkward and clumsy person. In this sense, the word Nazi was a hypocorism of the German male name Ignatz (itself a variation of the name Ignatius) – Ignatz being a common name at the time in Bavaria

https://books.google.ca/books?id=UaggHAJ7jToC&pg=PA247 says:
 * may have been influenced by Bavarian Nazi, a familiar form of the proper name Ignatius and used to refer to or characterize an awkward or clumsy person.

No actual reference to 'backwards' or 'peasant' there, does anyone know where we got that? I am also interested if we could list a definition for the pre-NDSAP usage of the term (as well as Inter-Nazi derived from Internationale) and find some dated citations of it being used in literature. 70.49.41.99 16:58, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

1903 and 1924
https://www.etymonline.com/word/Nazi
 * the word Nazi was favored in southern Germany (supposedly from c. 1924) among opponents of National Socialism
 * the nickname Nazi, Naczi (from the masc. proper name Ignatz, German form of Ignatius) was used colloquially to mean "a foolish person, clumsy or awkward person."
 * An older use of Nazi for national-sozial is attested in German from 1903

Is this covered in detail somewhere? Like for example, which source attests a Nat-Soc etymology from 1903? Or which source attests it's re-introduction in new context in 1924?

Furthermore, if the 1924 favoring was because of the Ignatz nickname, how long prior to 1924 was the Ignatz slang in use for? Olivia comet (talk) 06:41, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Conrad Heiden (credit for the word "Nazi")
Check out this film from 1:25 to 1:50:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihufFVR4fME

Someone should do some research and give Conrad credit on his wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Heiden

RFV discussion: March–May 2023
Rfv-sense "a person of German descent". Added by in diff. Ioaxxere (talk) 17:01, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

 * "Cited(?), but...": The definition "A German, a person of German descent, or a person perceived to be of German descent" is probably more detailed than citations could support, but the core idea ("A German") seems to be citeable but to exist in a grey area of "is this the best way to intepret/handle this?" (like the many senses of transgender discussed above, or like how the sort of people who use Kraut aren't concerned with distinguishing e.g. a German-speaking Sorb from Germany from a German, yet it's reasonable we still just define it as referring to a German). In these cites, "the Nazis shelled [X]" in practice means "the Germans shelled X", "the German military shelled X", without any concern for whether the soldiers in question were National Socialists. But should we interpret and handle that as a separate sense, "German", or just the loose way people use words? I'm not sure, but we do have a sense at Communist for "any citizen of a country governed by a communist party". - -sche (discuss) 21:21, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No, none of those citations show the term being used against an ethnic slur against Germans. I don't see the point in splitting hairs between "Germans" and "German military" and "Nazis" in a World War II context. Can you find citations that don't involve actual Nazis at all? Ioaxxere (talk) 05:08, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * -sche added some more cites today, but lulu.com is a self-publishing outlet and I would expect that we'd exclude that or at least put it in the same category as Twitter. — Soap — 21:29, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * What we need to see are uses in which the recipient of the utterance does not already know from the context that the referent is German. Like here, where the character named Tojo says, "The whole damned business run by kikes an niggers an dinks an spics", a reader who does not know the meanings of the ethnic slurs, and  cannot guess them from the context, but has to look these terms up. But here, where the character Hani calls Stephano not only “Wop” but also “spaghetti eater”, the reader knows that both Hani and Stephano know that Stephano is Italian, so this would IMO not be usable for attesting the sense “a person of Italian ethnicity” for the term spaghetti eater.  --Lambiam 22:40, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

 * RFV failed as it timed out Wonderfool69 (talk) 20:51, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

"Avoidance by the Nazis themselves"
That's not true. The term originated as an "exonym", but the Nazis later adopted it. It can even be cited from speeches of Himmler and Heydrich, for example. Such use was informal, of course, but the word is generally somewhat informal in German (unlike English). 2.202.159.64 15:15, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Nazi


text:
Talk:mafeesh

Tea room discussion
This could do with a re-read. My Egyptian Arabic knowledge starts and stops with baksheesh. --Jackofclubs 19:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:mafeesh


text: désuètes

title: désuètes


text:
sgòth

Noun

 * 1) cloud

title: sgòth


text:
Talk:Goddess

Tea room discussion
The only English use of that derived term I know is as the English name of the anime series ああっ女神さっ (Aa Megami-sama). Anybody have a reason to put forward to keep that in the entry? 50 Xylophone Players talk 01:08, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I can find citations in The Vagina Monologues and in Jackson Square Jazz. --EncycloPetey 17:22, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems to have been taken up by feminists as a variation on "oh my God", although usage patterns likely differ. It is also used reverently or as a supplication by such as wiccans and pagans, and in poetry. This latter may be sum of parts, though. Related is a metaphorical use, the 'goddess' (uncapitalised) being a desirable woman, probably a lover. Pingku 15:30, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:Goddess


text: désuète

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Talk:sanguinary

Tea room discussion
Please give some meaningful sentences which contain the word sanguinary.
 * Done. -- A LGRIF  talk 12:45, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

bloodsoaked
The synonyms list reads: Should we add bloodsoaked to the third line? allixpeeke (talk) 04:54, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
 * (attended with bloodshed): bloody, gory
 * (eager to shed blood): bloodthirsty, bloody-minded, butcherous, slaughterous
 * (consisting of, covered with, or resembling blood): bloody, gory

 * ✅ Equinox ◑ 05:12, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

title: Talk:sanguinary


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Talk:electronics

Tea room discussion
A device or devices that owe their function to the flow of electrons through conductors and semiconductors; devices that operate on electrical power (battery or outlet.)

How is this used as the subject of a sentence? With a singular or plural verb? Where is (was?) it used in this sense. The part of the definition after the semicolon seems to be for "electrical". Is "electronics" used this way? Does this need a good RfVing? DCDuring TALK 20:30, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It should probably be redefined to "electronic devices" (however, electronic lacks a matching definition, and has a mildly circular definition). It's certainly a sound word, just an hopeless outdated definition. Circeus 23:17, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * In principle we should have the whole sequence of all attestable senses. But at the highest priority is to have the current ones. If people use electronic(s) to refer to any electrical device with nary a diode or triode therein, we need to have that too. DCDuring TALK 23:39, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think people refer to any electrical apparatus as apparatus. I certainly wouldn't use it to refer to a dishwasher, for example. I think electronics is more about devices with electronic circuits, and particularly ones who are used for pleasure or research purpose rather than more practical aspect (such as tools and most household appliances). Circeus 23:48, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Many modern appliances, including dishwashers, contain microprocessors. Nevertheless I agree that the principle function of a dishwasher does not require electronics. Pingku 15:09, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:electronics


text:
számítógépes

Adjective

 * 1) computational, computer of, or relating to computers

title: számítógépes


text:
Talk:stomache

Tea room discussion
I tagged this as a misspelling, but there are so many hits for this on Google News, that it might even be able to be classed as an alternative spelling. Granted, none of the hits are from world-famous newspapers, so maybe {misspelling} is a better tag. While this is on my mind, how could we tag something as "obsolete or misspelling of stomache"? --Jackofclubs 08:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I think it's enough to use . This makes it clear that if you see it in a modern source, it's likely to be a mistake.  However, you could add  on a spearate line if you wanted to.  Ƿidsiþ 21:12, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:stomache


text:
Talk:stow

Tea room discussion
Here one dictionary explains that the origin of the modern English word is the OE noun stow. However, at least one citation discloses its use as a noun in modern English (19th century). Would it be therefore be admissible to add the nominal meaning under ==English== or one must provide 2 more citations for that? Does any native speaker of English recognise the word as a noun? Bogorm 11:58, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The OED has its meaning as place: marked as obsolete. Does that still make it modern? I always thought it was spelled stowe:, but maybe not. SemperBlotto 12:05, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I have found a modern mention (as "a place") in line with Middle and Old English. I have entered the noun as obsolete. It is easier to find Middle and Old English usage and/or dictionary mentions. Also see citations:stowe DCDuring TALK 18:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There might also be a nautical meaning something like "an arrangement of cargo in a hold." A bad stow could lead to damage of the cargo. DCDuring TALK 18:36, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:stow


text:
toeter

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) horn, claxon

Adjective

 * 1)  drunk

title: toeter


text: Category:Tea room archives/2009/1

title: Category:Tea room archives/2009/1


text: fahéjnak

title: fahéjnak


text: fahéjaknak

title: fahéjaknak


text:
hammerhead shark

Noun

 * 1) Any of various sharks of the genus  having the eyes set on projections (cephalofoils) from the sides of the head, which gives it a hammer shape.
 * 2) A winghead shark.

Translations

 * Catalan: tauró martell
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Danish: hammerhaj
 * Dutch:
 * Finnish:
 * French:
 * German:
 * Greek:
 * Ancient: ζύγαινα
 * Hungarian:
 * Indonesian: hiu martil
 * Irish: siorc ceann casúir
 * Italian: squalo martello
 * Japanese: シュモクザメ
 * Korean: 귀상어
 * Maori: mangōpare, kakere
 * Mokilese: pako dohdo
 * Norwegian:
 * Bokmål: hammerhai
 * Nynorsk: hamarhai, hammarhai
 * Pangasinan: balagbagan
 * Polish: głowomłot, rekin młot
 * Portuguese: tubarão-martelo
 * Russian:, , молотоголо́вая аку́ла
 * Spanish: tiburón martillo
 * Swedish:
 * Tagalog: bingkungan, balagbagan, krusan

title: hammerhead shark


text: hammerhead sharks

title: hammerhead sharks


text:
prepúcio

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1)  prepuce, foreskin

title: prepúcio


text: prepúcios

title: prepúcios


text:
ущелье

Noun

 * 1) gorge, ravine, canyon

title: ущелье


text:
makuloida

Verb

 * 1)  to invalidate or annul, of printed matter

title: makuloida


text:
Citations:epidemiology

Swine flu outbreak an 'international emergency': WHO

Canwest News Service and Reuters April 25, 2009

WHO said it was too soon to announce travel advisories or to advise drugmakers to switch to producing a new vaccine - to be derived from the new virus - from their traditional production of seasonal influenza vaccines.

"We do not yet have a complete picture of the epidemiology or the risk, including possible spread beyond the currently affected areas," Chan said.

title: Citations:epidemiology


text:
càrnadh

Noun

 * 1) heaping, piling, accumulation
 * 2) riddance
 * 1) riddance

title: càrnadh


text:
martioida

Verb

 * 1) to emboss to mark or decorate with a raised design or symbol, especially on paper and leather

title: martioida


text:
mekkaloida

Verb

 * 1)  To make noise.

title: mekkaloida


text:
mendelöidä

Verb

 * 1)  to mendelize

title: mendelöidä


text:
winghead shark

Noun

 * 1) A species of hammerhead shark,, in the family , named for the remarkably wide lobes on its head. It is the sole species in its genus.

Translations

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Finnish: siipipäähai
 * French:
 * German: Flügelkopf-Hammerhai
 * Russian: большего́ловая мо́лот-ры́ба

title: winghead shark


text:
merseroida

Etymology
(see 🇨🇬). Adapted with the verbal suffix.

Verb

 * 1) to mercerize to treat cotton or other textile fibers with sodium hydroxide to make them more lustrous

title: merseroida


text:
messingöidä

Verb

 * 1) to brass, plate with brass to coat with brass

title: messingöidä


text:
uudenaikaistaa

Verb

 * 1)  to modernize

title: uudenaikaistaa


text:
winghead

Noun

 * 1) Any entity having a head or head-like element resembling a wing.

title: winghead


text: wingheads

title: wingheads


text:
számítógépes vírus

Noun

 * 1)  computer virus

Declension

 * For the noun, see.
 * The adjective remains unchanged.

title: számítógépes vírus


text: fahéjjal

title: fahéjjal


text:
mukuloida

Verb

 * 1) to form tubers

title: mukuloida


text:
musisoida

Verb

 * 1)  to perform music

title: musisoida


text: Category:hu:Virology

title: Category:hu:Virology


text:
nahinoida

Verb

 * 1) to skirmish

title: nahinoida


text:
nasevoida

Verb

 * 1)  to make witty

title: nasevoida


text:
nikkaroida

Verb

 * 1) to work as carpenter, to carpenter
 * 2) to tinker

title: nikkaroida


text:
nimikoida

Verb

 * 1) to name, to identify something as belonging to a named person especially by appliqueing, but also by other means like writing or placing a nameplate or attaching a nametag
 * 2) to annotate add annotations or tags to digital content
 * 1) to annotate add annotations or tags to digital content
 * 1) to annotate add annotations or tags to digital content
 * 1) to annotate add annotations or tags to digital content

title: nimikoida


text:
niskuroida

Verb

 * 1) to be insubordinate, rebel to be disobedient to lawful authority

title: niskuroida


text:
nyansoida

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to nuance

title: nyansoida


text:
nypelöidä

Etymology
Possibly a.

Verb

 * 1)  to fidget, to twiddle

title: nypelöidä


text:
konferencia

Etymology
Borrowed from. With ending.

Noun

 * 1)  conference a formalized event
 * 2)  meeting a gathering of teachers in school
 * 1)  meeting a gathering of teachers in school

title: konferencia


text: konferenciák

title: konferenciák


text: fahéjakkal

title: fahéjakkal


text: fahéjért

title: fahéjért


text: fahéjakért

title: fahéjakért


text: fahéjjá

title: fahéjjá


text: fahéjakká

title: fahéjakká


text: Rhymes:Icelandic/aːra

title: Rhymes:Icelandic/aːra


text:
háttérzene

Noun

 * 1) background music

title: háttérzene


text: háttérzenék

title: háttérzenék


text: fahéjig

title: fahéjig


text:
Rhymes:Icelandic/aːpa

Two syllables

 * apa
 * gapa
 * hrapa
 * krapa
 * papa
 * skapa
 * skrapa
 * slapa
 * snapa
 * stapa
 * tapa

title: Rhymes:Icelandic/aːpa


text: Rhymes:Icelandic/aːɣa

title: Rhymes:Icelandic/aːɣa


text: Rhymes:Icelandic/ɔːɣa

title: Rhymes:Icelandic/ɔːɣa


text: His Honor

title: His Honor


text: Her Honor

title: Her Honor