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Short links

 * English words by silent letter
 * English words with unspelled phonemes
 * words with repeated phonemes
 * User:Lollipop is my alternate account, from which I often read, but rarely edit.
 * User:Soap/etymsearch
 * User:Soap/essays

Scratchpads

 * User:Soap/vector.css
 * User:Soap/Sandbox and User:Soap/scratchpad
 * User:Soap/etymsearch for honest speculation about etymologies

cats

 * 23:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Category:Autism Category:Mental_health Category:Health

none are appearing properly as of 23:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

quote-comic
The page User:Soap/quote-comic might work better if it were at Template:User:Soap/quote-comic following the pattern of some other sandbox templates.

Other information
I picked up the habit of using ... (ellipses) during a time when a smartphone was my main device, and i found the dash and parenthesis keys more difficult to type. I will try to break this habit as I worry it leads me to look like Im always rambling. My alternate account is Lollipop. I use the Lollipop account to browse in bed on my tablet, phone, and occasionally on a touchscreen laptop, but rarely to edit.

Im currently trying to buttonize the UI as much as possible, though I admit it's somewhat counterintuitive when I go to edit because the buttons arent there in the code. I will do my best to make this work but if I have to scale it back I will save the CSS somewhere so I can restore it if I think of a new way to go forward.

I dont think too many other people will be interested in the code but see /vector.css if you're curious. There are actually many bugs and drawbacks (that is; things that can be fixed and things that can't be fixed), and so I'm almost sure nobody would want to use the code the way I have it now, but people might like to use bits and pieces of it. The most important drawback is the wasted space I see in discussions when people leave a blank line between paragraphs, because for me that means it outdents all the way to the leftmost margin and then indents all the way back in again. This could be fixed if I didn't use so much padding, but the padding is helpful with mainspace entries.

Unorganized short- and long-term projects in English
a hidden category: Category:Requests for definitions in English entries

defence

 * 18:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

stabilize defense ~ defence

surfer popup

 * 19:37, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

surfer popup or perhaps surfer + popup, found in an old computer manual. it seems surf is a verb but does not fit the current sense of web surfing, and popup might be something different as well. links

shifty

 * 11:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

this edit might have been valid. check for shiftie also

myth

 * 14:09, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

(a)eschromythesis may be an early attempt to describe what we now call Tourette syndrome. found while looking for cognates of mytheme. it uses

kinks and fetishes

 * 16:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

There seems to be a general trend, though not consistent, that when a two-word phrase can either mean a kink or something family-friendly, the kink definition takes a bunched spelling while the other sense uses a space. For example, watersports vs water sports. It's as if the bunched spelling is somehow more vulgar just by itself. so let's go into the coalmine

temporary scratchpad

 * 12:22, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

i wrote this when i was not feeling well, and put all these together. i will get to them eventually. Sorry I've cut back lately and this might linger for a while.
 * antitrade Polish Wikipedia says it means literally above, but other sources imply it means higher latitude making it a sonym of westerlies
 * soft play https://www.instagram.com/p/CnzSBhNIN0U/ and from the same artist, despite the different signature (i assume she changed her name?)
 * hypopitys (move to full name) and pityopus
 * find at least one use of self-stimulation in the sense of masturbation. see edit history before Nov 2 2023 for cites
 * child prodigy why THUB? if declared sum of parts it c ould revert to a THUB later, but as it is, the sum-of-parts idea only works because we have a hint of child in one of the five definitions of prodigy.
 * Category:English_orthographic_borrowings
 * ckn is chicken. is chkn also used?
 * tarb obedient (not a brat). Probably doesnt exist. My mother may have made it up, or maybe someone in her family made it up, but it's clearly not in widespread use
 * life stage possibly from German Lebensstufen, though this is a painting from 1835, not the psychology sense. Even so this might have been the same term used by Charlotte Bühler in 1933
 * red sky at night
 * nudy rudy ~ nudey rudey ~ nudie rudie. definitely citable
 * (I dont remember the last word)

 * microbe, aerobic, etc use a morpheme that is really just /b/, derived from.
 * zuke third cite at
 * the Jp word for someone who wears shorts in cold weather. is on tea room, but now quite old
 * postural ... can it mean "behind the tail"? or "after urination"? i found only one possible hit for the latter and even that is probably meant in the sense "lying down">
 * iatrocide ... only example of -cide where the named party is the perpetrator and not the victim?
 * more feminist neologisms at w:The Matrixial Gaze

animal friendly proverbs

 * This is inspired by, but not restricted to, PETA's coinages. see more than one way to feed a cat and others

 * feed two dogs with one bone, a similar spin on a familiar phrase, just like feed two birds with one scone
 * but "kill two dogs with one bone" is more attestible in print. the feed version seems to be modern as we've become softer
 * there is also an unrelated two dogs with one bone meaning "two people who can never agree" because they have something both parties want but neither can share. this is why i linked it that way

autism
autistics and cousins possibly used in 1993, by a researcher whose name is Cousins. But the terminology may not have been in the origina l paper

shy

 * 15:42, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

bringing this back

call-shy, pee shy, camera shy, gun shy,. what else is there? this suggetss quite a few more

ametropia

 * 00:03, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Stabilize etymologies on ametropia and like pages. 4 etyms for the same word on one page now. See hypotropia and ... these form words for eye conditions that rhyme with the -opia words but do not actually use the suffix -opia. It's possible this is a sort of medical pun (since -tropy exists), but it is nevertheless etymologically sound.

in theory there is also -scopia but we seem to be satisfied ending words with -scope.

cyanopia and glaucopia might exist, and this is a separate meaning from the existing cyanopsia. thus, an -opia/-opsia minimal pair arguably exists, where -opsia refers to a medical condition and -opia to a physical type. But -opia can still be used for the medical meaning too.

there is no *scoptic to parallel optic, apparently because the corresponding ancient Greek verb forms did not exist. instead, the word is skeptic.

yet ANOTHER eye condition that sounds like it contains -opia but doesnt is ectropion and its opposite, entropion.

there is also -opsis, as in Lastreopsis, the shield fern.

pyrope

elementals

 * 19:07, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Rollo Ahmed uses elemental and elementary in the same book. Are they the same thing or not?

spit

 * 18:32, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

I could just spit / I could spit, a mild expression perhaps originally meant literally

metallic soap

 * 02:51, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

w:metallic soap has much ifnormation and could be used for other wikt pages as well

as girls go
there is no convenient title for a redirect to go (this link doesnt work for some reason). "as something goes" is the best i can come up with but it's singular.

nohbdy
and find the original Gk

off

 * 09:16, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

nothing about off-white etc listed at off that i can see. arguably off- could cover it but the defn currently isnt very helpful. ("away from white" would not mean light gray to most people)_

anything else

 * Dilbert Apr 17 1989 date oneself (a pun, containing the idiomatic and the literal sense together)

 * spiteware only used on reddit & twttr

 * for todge

 * hyperoptic listed as a misconstruction of hyperopic, when it might actually be a valid alternative form. There is no predictable pattern determining which words end in -opia ~ -opic and which end in -opsia ~ optic, and hyperopsia might be citable as well.   (I actually thought the definition was going to be a misconstruction of fiber optic when I first clicked.)

 * -sman, really -s- + man. Seems used in formal terms for some occupations, but we have the -s- listed as genitive, when I suspect it's plural. This could perhaps be solved by just saying it's -s, not -s-.

big and little

 * Good Good Good Good
 * Good Good Good

surely the comparatives at little can be handled better than this. Imagine:

and so on.

 * Good Good
 * (unless taken literally)
 * Be the larger person.

Sicyoeae pron & etym if possible. likely Σικυών

very short term projects and other quick notices
Apparently this is a known issue and there is no consensus
 * Fuzhou. address the question of whether an entry can have two Alternative forms sections. Remember alti

kennings
See Category:Old Norse names for Odin and note that one-word kennings might be better classified as heiti.
 * These words have kenning somewhere mentioned on the page. However I did not do an exhaustive search as it would have been four times as many pages to click through:
 * ofljóst daroþ súgr Friðþjófr svartalfar   brjótr  hrafn ~ramn hjaldr  Beowulf  dark elf ból

etymology qiestions
see User:Soap/etymsearch.

Old English
pæcan possibly a misreading of wægan. p ~ ƿ confusion happened also with the word "pail" (here). /p/ is uncommon in word-initial position in native OE words, and it looks like a native word due to its derivation and possible i-mutation.

Sigelhearwa a native name (not even a calque) for Ethiopia. If Ethiopia was already Christian, it would be odd to use this name, so perhaps it only appears in the Old Testament and could perhaps be better translated as Kush or some other name.

Spanish

 * chorrear
 * Category:Requests_for_translations_of_Spanish_quotations some are  beyond my skill level so i will go slowly
 * is Plasencia just Placentia all over again? The Wikipedia article stealthily avoids providing an etymology.

Swahili /topi/
Funnily enough there is a Swahili /topi/ that means a type of hat. I want to add both of these entries but will hold off until i can understand the noun classes. Also noting that Swahili is a WDL.

Pöppel
A game piece ("doll"). Ready to create, but I dont know the declension and it isnt yet listed in de.wikt. I would need to find it in Duden or some other dictionary.

Sundanese
I made a large number of edits to Sundanese but didnt finish the project. They may be linked from a page such as Special:DeadendPages. I will finish this, but I dont consider it a priority since I'm mostly just adding wikilinks, and my original intent was to thin down the DeadendPages category so that the remaining pages, which might be there for diverse reasons, would stand out more.

tadpole
come back to this. remember mormoloc and Larve

Japanese 白板 add to /p/ list if ever restored

Talitha

 * talitha <--- a real word?

peaches, pears, papaya, pineapples
try to find etymology of fi pipo and piippa. is the first one a proper name? is the second one sound symbolism? both are related to hats.

Yes, names of fruits often begin with p in English, with c/k right up beside it. This seems to hold true in Romanian too. Note the complete absence of /t/, the commonest voiceless stop in European languages (and probably worldwide too). The theory linking sweet tastes with the front of the tongue has been cast into doubt if not entirely debunked, but since babies learn to talk from the front of the mouth (lips) to the back, and develop tastes by starting with sweet foods and working towards savory foods and then complex tastes, the subconscious association may be real.

This would not explain the overrepresentation of /k/, so I think sound symbolism also plays a role. The well-known bouba/kiki effect might actually have been better described as bouba-titi since /k/ is a sound used often for large round objects (e.g. German Kugel) and thus fits well for fruits as well. The kiki word is meant to sound like a sharp object, but the only sharp parts of our anatomy are our fingernails and our teeth. The teeth are used in many languages to pronounce the /t/ sound, though English prefers to place the tip of the tongue slightly further back. The further back position actually sounds like a sharper sound to me, but it is still the same area of the mouth. So it may be that /p/ and /k/ are two of a kind whereas a fruit with /t/ would sound subconsciously something spiky and unpleasant to eat.

apple and apricot also begin with /p/ in English according to the "first consonant" system of counting, used in poetry, although i think this is intended to apply to situations in which the first syllable is unstressed. e.g. a phrase like a poignant apology alliterates because the listener hears the same stressed /p/ sound twice, but it doesnt really work, in my opinion, when the /p/ is post-tonic.

Malagasy
akoholahy is the word that came to us translated as "gall"

om zeep

 * 20:08, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

see 肥皂

emojis and emoticons
The 😮 emoji is at least 200 years old, likely much older, perhaps 500.

fun things
Who will care in 2023 that the expression go commando meant going out without underwear on the TV series Friends? Dictionaries were invented for less frivolous duty, like pinning down the meaning of is. ---unsigned editorial, San Francisco Chronicle, Nov 13 2002

Unicode symbols
Unicode has finally added separate symbols for boys and girls, alongside the well-known symbols for men and women.

idioms
Mastering English means knowing the difference between cream in one's coffee and cream in one's jeans.

weather
Why is Al Gore so worried about global warming? Because it threatens his very existence.

can you Zn of any more?
What a Si you were, hiding Eu under your C-net! You thought you Pb the Cu astray, but then you put your Ne the F  Kr in silence to meet your Bi partners. I hope nobody Cs. Oops! Your just Pt both with your car! What an Fe-y! It was Xe television too. The doctors couldn't He or Cm and they'll never Lv. At least they didnt S too much. Now they Ar. Who will Ba?

What a silly con you were, hiding your opium under your car bonnet! You thought you led the copper astray, but then you put your knee on the floor and crept on in silence to meet your business partners. I hope nobody sees 'em. Oops! You just flattened 'em both with your car! What an irony! It was seen on television too. The doctors couldn't heal 'em or cure 'em and they'll never live for more. At least they didn't suffer too much. Now they are gone. Who will bury 'em?

limericks
maybe a Nash-style limerick or two for the ones that wont fit into the story..... The swing set no one had Pln because it was covered in Rn. But wait! That's a gas with a very high mass so how did it ever get Sprn?

although Nash popularized the style of respelling the rhymes according to the most irregular line, it is also seen in parodies of English spelling, especially of surnames, seen on sites like this and this and this. Some of the limericks, especially on the second page, may be quite old, but it's possible that they are modern and written in an antiquated style.

whatever wont fit elsewhere
A chemist turned dentist put a sign on the wall, "Can you please Pl?"

scrambled senses
See /scrambled. My first addition to this page will probably be my best, so I may lose interest in this soon

interpretive etymologies

 * Since soak is originally the causative of suck, does that mean soap is the causative of sup? If so, does that make soap a delicious meal?

Korean
Although it is well known that Korean is written in a featural syllabary, there are some pure ideographic words. For example, the word for soap is 석감, remembering the facial expressions of two people who believed the section above.

Malagasy
Try saying the Malagasy word for "brutal" as angrily as you can.

a wish called wəndə
While you've been sitting around, I've been busy reconstructing proto-Nostratic.

Proto-Borean wəndə
 * Proto-Amerind *wṅdə̆
 * Proto-Macro-Siouxan *mṅdə
 * Lakota mní
 * Proto-Nostratic *wàdʷa
 * Proto-Paleo-Eurasian: *wàdʷa
 * Proto-Paleo-Siberian: *wàgʷa
 * Proto-Trans-Siberian: *wàkʷa
 * Ainu: wakka
 * Proto-Indo-European: *wedweh₂
 * Proto-Italic: *wagua
 * Spanish: agua
 * Proto-Germanic: *wadda (Kluge's Law and syntactic gemination)
 * English: water

Abinomn wi is surely also a cognate, because although it is spoken in southeast Asia, I keep mistaking it for an Algonquian language.

See water/translations for more.

Two more languages arrive at the bar

 * Upper Sorbian: Wait, why is everyone looking at me?
 * Turkmen: I think we're at the  wrong party.

wee
It's good to have  words with meanings as flexible as these, but let's hope we don't get them confused.

 * 1) to sing (songs)
 * 2)  to partake in a citizenship ceremony
 * 3)  to urinate

 * 1) urine
 * 2) to urinate; to pee
 * 3)  to pay attention to someone

 * 1) to be cheerful, to look happy, to rejoice
 * 2) (allegedly) to urinate
 * 1) (allegedly) to urinate
 * 1) (allegedly) to urinate

others

 * 𡳞

I thought it was funny that Armenian uses the same word for "urine" and "us", until I realized that wee do the same thing in English too.

interpretive etymologies II

 * See explanation here.

Poortown and Richtown
Richtown is rich in poor people, but poor in rich people. Poortown is rich in rich people and poor in poor people. Poortown's poor are richer than Richtown's poor but poorer than Richtown's rich. Some say Poortown's richer poor are poorer than the poorest Richtown rich, but Poortown's mayor, Ed Poor, claims Richtown's richest poor are poorer than the richest Poortown poor.

Poortown and Richtown pave their walks with pitch. Richtown mayor Ed Rich knows that the richest Richtown rich are richer in pitch than the richest Poortown rich, but wonders which town's poor are richer in pitch: the richer poor in pitch-poor-poor-poor Poortown or the poorer poor in pitch-rich-rich-rich Richtown?

Poortown truck drivers are donating toy trucks to Richtown school children for Christmas. These annual toy truck truck drives are so famous that Poortown Toy Co has produced a die cast model of the most popular toy truck truck. It's so popular that the list of toy trucks to be distributed on the toy truck trucks will include this toy toy truck truck and Poortown truck drivers have decided to deliver them on a specially requisitioned toy toy truck truck truck.

had had had had had
There is no use/mention distinction involved here, so I consider this sentence much superior to the better-known teacher's classroom example. After all, if use/mention is allowed, why not add a third student who used "had had had"?

The child that the couple had had had had had no breakfast.

The sequence had₁ had₂ had₃ had₄ had₅ breaks down as:
 * 1) The "past perfect" marker
 * 2) To make something happen
 * 3) To conceive a baby, particularly through surrogacy
 * 4) Same as 1)
 * 5) To have, obtain, consume

I will try to explain the five meanings better if I can because I find grammar terms confusing. The most important one, however, is 3), a full verb and not just an auxiliary.

I've traced this to a rec.puzzles entry from 1993, but seemingly with an error, which indicates to me that it might be older than this, and that the 1993 rec.puzzles poster miscopied it from where they'd seen it.

In theory one could produce a sentence with six consecutive hads as well, such as "the child that the couple had had had had had had a child of their own", but since this simply repeats the had₁ had₂ had₃ twice, I prefer the 5-had version.

got
Good

Other repeated words

 * your urine analysises

two twos
A pair of English ballet dancers taught an African leader to play woodwind instruments ... from 1:58am to 1:58pm, in fact. That is,
 * Two tutu'ed Tudor tooters tutored Tutu — two to two to two to two too.

spines
A tribute to the collection at this site:
 * Tired after a long walk in the desert, I laid down against a cactus to rest, but the spines kept poking my spine.
 * In French, there are at least three words corresponding to English spine:   echino-, échine, and épine. All three are unrelated to each other.

 * Buster's busts' busts bu(r)st.

Esau's seesaw
I won't do it here (not diff-by-diff, I mean), but I want to unite the famous Esau's woodsaw and seesaw tongue twisters into a single story, perhaps by first telling about Esau, then about the seesaw, and then a third paragraph where the stories come together.

important knowledge
Note that laik means play and is distantly cognate to both like and lich, as well as the suffix -ly. Like-Like is an enemy from the Legend of Zelda. /laix/ is an acceptable pronunciation of lich in Scots English.

Would a Like-Like-like lich like to laik with a lich-like Like-Like, or would a lich-like lich like to laik with a Like-Like-like Like-Like? Not likelily.

The leech leached the lich's lich with a leech from Lechmere.

Like-Likes like to lick the leeches on my leech's lich.

thesaurus
This hilariously bad "thesaurus dictionary" is the worst attempt at automated language processing I've seen since the day I saw cuatro prominent scientists passed off as Spanish on a now-defunct astronomy website. Try searching the entries for soap, tampon, lizard, and carrot.

I suspect this may be one of those sites where the software is set up, advertising revenue is secured, and then the site enters the maintenance stage as the programmers are no longer necessary. Which means it's probably not going to get better anytime soon. In fact, while I had assumed at first blush that this site was new since I'd never seen it until just a few weeks ago, I just found a blog post from 2017 that uses one of its dinosaur images, so the site has been up and running for at least five years, and likely more.

Portmanteaus
Some of these words have probably been coined independently by many different people.
 * symblematic: a cross between symptomatic, emblematic, and symbolistic.  I created this word independently of anyone else who has used it. As of July 15 2010 it got 139 hits on Google, and likely more if variant spellings are added.  (But really this word is better used in speech, where you can speak quickly and people will not even realize it's not a word.)    Used by Donald Trump in 2012,  but I had already typed this up two years earlier.   The spelling symblomatic also competes with the -e-.
 * techknowledgeable (also spelled technologible). overheard. The seam is smooth enough that I consider this a fairly good pun.
 * errange to erase or wipe out some items in a set, and reorder the remainder. From a middle school teacher
 * confuzzled is probably a portmanteau of confused and puzzled. It reminds me, though, that we might still have a barely productive left-over vowel shortening rule to form diminutives ("YouTubby", not *YouTubey, and so on). In theory this could be over 2,500 years old if it results from Kluge's Law.
 * unsleepable and slumbersome were both in use in the 1800s, and both have transparent derivations, but I think of them as portmanteaus because they each have a far more common word they resemble. If not, they're at least decent puns.
 * femstruate ... according to Megan Yarnall, words like this have started to bleed through our conversation.

There is also rã:ʔ, a word that sounds about halfway between right and wrong. From a high school teacher.

The word examplanation appears in print books going back at least to 1819, the era of movable type, and it is clearly not a scan error. If we read the rules robotically, examplanation would easily pass CFI. However I suspect that most of the uses are typos, even the 1819 one, if we assume people made the same type of motor memory errors with movable type as we do today with keyboards.

Twitter, Reddit, and Usenet

 * 11:57, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Since this keeps coming up.

Original CFI vote

 * This is the vote in which the two-week discussion clause was added to the CFI criteria. This happened before the votes on Twitter and the other sites, meaning that those votes used the two-week CFI discussions as a background.

 * This is the vote in which we nominated websites to be allowed into what I will call for lack of a better term the two-week voting pool.

 * This is the Usenet vote, a wholly separate discussion. It failed, and serves as a sign that demoting Usenet to the level of Twitter (as I had privately wanted) would also fail .... still, some oppose rationales were about process, not substance. This vote may  become relevant if the Twitter discussion continues down a certain path.

There was also a separate vote on whether to allow sites like 4chan, and they were soundly rejected. This could be relevant only because it puts them in a different category than Twitter. I want to get back to this, because I thought I remembered seeing yet another discussion where there were many more votes than this ... even 4chan was only rejected by a vote of 3 to 2 here, which is not what I remembered.

Twitterpated
Twitter, the only site on the list that seems to be contentious, received 60% support for being allowed into the two-week voting pool, meaning it was closed as no consensus. Reading it narrowly, that means it was rejected, and that Twitter cannot be used in any way to meet the criteria for attestation. Under this view, the only sites that merit two-week votes are established journals like Vice and HuffPo that don't feature user-written content. Therefore it is an utter waste of time to even create pages such as women ☕, as they will forever remain at zero acceptable citations even if thousands of tweets are found.

Status quo argument
Yet, people clearly have different ways of interpreting the vote. Some people interpret the 60% support as a pass, meaning that Twitter is allowed, putting it into a category above sites like 4chan which were strongly opposed. It's possible that many of these people interpret the 60% as a pass because it maintains the status quo of allowing Twitter, and therefore is really a 40% vote to disallow Twitter. Under this standard, 4chan and some other sites still clearly are disallowed, as they were rejected by a huge margin. Clearly many of us take this  view,       as we have been adding Twitter-only words continuously for the five months since that vote, and we have been  holding the two-week discussions regularly when they are brought to RFD/V.

But on these discussions some people maintain  that the discussions are unwarranted, saying that because Twitter was never accepted as a valid online source that it cannot be let into the two-week voting pool. One possible counterargument to the status quo view is that if Twitter was considered a valid source all along, so would any other site be, and we could be theoretically adding words used only on tiny circle-of-friends blogs and the like and saying that those blogs have not yet been rejected with a CFI vote. However I suspect any such words would be voted down at the CFI discussions, and that if those sources came up to a vote, they would also be rejected by a much greater ratio than was Twitter.

Other disputes
Now, five months later, we are still arguing about how to interpret the result of the vote on Twitter. Some people are saying that the September Beer Parlour vote was the two-week CFI vote, and therefore the votes on individual words are out-of-process. We had been having CFI votes for individual words before the Beer Parlour vote, however.

However we interpret the wording, it does not resolve the question over whether the Beer Parlour vote should be interpreted as 60% to allow or 40% to disallow; if we decide that the September discussion was the only discussion we need, then it either means that 0% of Twitter-cited words are allowed or that 100% are.

My own view on Twitter
Although I was opposed to allowing Twitter (and Usenet), I withheld my vote, as I typically don't vote on site-wide discussions like this. When I saw that we were allowing Twitter, I accepted the result and moved on.

Now, having seen the results of the new policy for five months, I would much rather we continue to allow Twitter than to have endless arguments about how to interpret the September vote each time a new word comes up for review. The system we are using now ... allowing Twitter .... is working well, and we should keep at it until someone can demonstrate a problem that isn't reducible to a difference of opinion.

As for Usenet
Twitter is probably more popular today than Usenet ever was, because during Usenet's peak only a small portion of the population had Internet access. Usenet is even less representative today. I've accepted Usenet as a source of citations, but would strongly prefer that it be treated like Twitter, meaning that words whose only cites were from Usenet and Twitter could be challenged specifically on that basis.

Usenet could be exploited to get extremely rare words to pass CFI. For example,, a word I made up, passes CFI through its three cites on Usenet because three other people have also (independently) made the same pun as me and with the same meaning ("bad news" as opposed to the Gospel which is "good news").

It's worth noting, though, that after an initially positive reception, we've held off from doing any of these new vote-based RFV's for the past few months, and it's even possible that there wasn't a single example in all of 2023. This issue is likely to sunset itself, as readership of Usenet has declined and so has addition of words from Usenet. In fact, there is now no easily accessible gateway, so addition of words may stop entirely (though old posts are still accessible).

Renaming Twitter to X

 * 09:45, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

It hasnt come up yet, but I expect soon we will rename all our templates to say X instead of Twitter, or start a discussion about doing so. I hope there is a discussion, because I think there are good reasons to keep them as Twitter, but I don't hold so strong an opinion on it that I'll complain if we make the change. — Soap — 09:45, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Ideas for templates
I would like to see a quote-comic and a snowclone template. These are two completely unrelated ideas and would serve different purposes. It's just that I got the idea for the second after thinking about my idea for the first.

Snowclone template
The snowclone template would be used on just two pages and would most likely consist of just a single line of code. The only reason I want to see a template is that it would make editing Appendix:English snowclones and its companion page easier and reduce the need for redundant typing. As it stands now, all of the entries must contain the same text twice in order to produce usable links.

the code of 1 is something like but there are so many brackets that i'd have trouble making even a slight modification.

calvin & hobbes jun 22 1988 has the "if you've seen one star, you've seen them all"

quote-comic template
Whereas the comic template, as I imagine it, would be some sort of fusion of quote-av and quote-book, so that it would cover webcomics, print comics, and comics that are both without the need to keep switching back and forth or give precedence to the print form of a comic that is today primarily accessed online. One benefit of having a template specifically for comics is that it would allow us to dispense with the annoying repeated parentheses, such as (For Better or For Worse) (comic) which as of yet can only otherwise be avoided by leaving out the genre, potentially meaning that readers will not realize that we're quoting a comic strip. Another benefit would be the addition of a role= parameter, as in quote-av, which quote-book currently lacks.

Another problem with parentheses occurs when quoting a comic strip in a newspaper, as below:

This makes it looks as if the Massachusetts Daily Collegian, rather than Tangelo Pie, is the comic strip. Since this particular strip was once also published in a paperback format, I went with quote-book, but I dont have that book  with me anymore and can't  provide a page number.

I am still interested in this, but for the meantime I will be using quote-book. If we ever create a separate template for comics, I will make sure that the parameters are compatible so that all I will need to do is change the template name.

usex vs quote
Naively, one would think that quotes (citations) would show immediately upon viewing an entry, and use examples (usexes) would require the reader to press a button to expand them, but in fact it is the other way around. Why is this? I can imagine a few reasons:
 * 1) Quotes take up more space on the screen, and most readers are just looking for the quickest way to get from one definition to the next, so it is better to hide the quotations except from those who specifically press the button to uncoil them.
 * 2) Any editor can create new use examples, but only published authors can create new quotes, so it helps the spirit of the project to show users' work right in front of them when they hit Save, instead of intimating that what they wrote is of inferior quality to what was there before.

An unspoken consensus suggests that quotes are more valuable than use examples, and I agree, though there are a few occasions in which I will add a use-example where a quote could have done. One case includes technical terminology and jargon, where people using the word are communicating only with others who know what it means, and therefore use it in opaque situations that would be unhelpful to a reader seeking more information. Not all of these are related to technology: it is easy to find people using the term plant-based in recipes, advertisements, and so on, but much more difficult to find someone simultaneously using it and explaining precisely what it means (it has two distinct meanings in fact). Another example where i prefer to type out a use-example is ungrammatical words, such as sleeped, where I chose to paraphrase two users' posts rather than link directly to them.

Google Books search throws up spurious results
This morning I searched Google Books for the phrase did not choose to comply with her wishes, which appears in a book quote on our entry for blow up. Among the very few results I got were .... OTHER book quotes that also appear on our page for blow up, even though they have nothing to do with the book I quoted from, and even though my query string didn't even contain the phrase blow up. This is yet another demonstration of how Google Books search is unreliable, and direct irrefutable confirmation that they are inflating search results with books that absolutely cannot by any stretch of the imagination be helpful to the person searching for a specific quote.

exicornt
yes, they even return four hits for exicornt, a word that was invented on Wikipedia in late 2005 and quickly revealed as a hoax. And two of those four book cites are from before 1930. (No need to bother looking ... I assure you none of Google's four hits actually contains the word.) On a happy note I would like to point out that the person who originally added the exicornt hoax has been let back in to Wikipedia and has since edited primarily about baseball.

time travel
Amazingly typeset self-help book published in 1900 tells us about laptops and cars.

title: User:Soap


text:
védőszent

Noun

 * 1) patron saint

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: védőszent


text:
lenite

Etymology
.

Verb

 * 1)  To cause (a consonant) to undergo lenition.
 * This environment lenites "m" to "mh".
 * 1)  To undergo lenition.
 * "M" lenites to "mh".

Translations

 * German: lenieren
 * Irish: séimhigh
 * Scottish Gaelic: sèimhich

title: lenite


text:
plug nickel

Etymology
Some early United States coins (minted in the 18th and 19th centuries) were made with a small silver disc added to the center of the coin in the planchet (blank metal) before striking. This was done to increase the value of the metal in the coin up to the coin's face value. A plug nickel or plugged nickel is a nickel (now a five-cent coin, but originally a one-cent coin and later a three-cent coin) where the "plug" (center disc) has been removed, thus decreasing the metal value of the coin. People would often examine their change after a cash transaction to ensure they did not receive such a coin.

Noun

 * 1)  A nearly worthless amount.

Usage notes

 * Often used in negative constructions, especially "not worth a plug nickel."
 * The alternative form "plugged nickel" has been in use longer than "plug nickel", although "plug" has begun to supersede "plugged". Syntactically, a more correct term would be an "unplugged nickel" in reference to the fact that the "plug" (silver center disc) was removed, but this term is very rare.

Translations

 * Finnish: puupenni

title: plug nickel


text:
Pepe

Etymology
The character’s creator,, chose the name Pepe because it reminded him of the term , a resemblance he found funny.

Noun

 * 1)  An image or depiction of the  character.

title: Pepe


text:
אינסוף

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  Infinity, the infinite.
 * 1)  Infinity, the infinite.

title: אינסוף


text: woestijnen

title: woestijnen


text:
ænigmata

Noun

 * 1) * 1807,  The History of the Anglo-Saxons , book XII, page 346; also later reprinted verbatim & literatim in:
 * 2) * 1830, Robert Southey, Esq., LL.D., The Pilgrim’s Progress, with a Life of John Bunyan; quoted in:
 * 1) * 1830, Robert Southey, Esq., LL.D., The Pilgrim’s Progress, with a Life of John Bunyan; quoted in:
 * 1) * 1830, Robert Southey, Esq., LL.D., The Pilgrim’s Progress, with a Life of John Bunyan; quoted in:
 * 1) * 1830, Robert Southey, Esq., LL.D., The Pilgrim’s Progress, with a Life of John Bunyan; quoted in:

Derived terms

 * ænigmata juris

title: ænigmata


text:
Citations:ænigmata juris

 * 1831: The Olio, Or, Museum of Entertainment, “ Ænigmas. For the Olio.”, page 101
 * The rebus is also ranked by some in the number of ænigmas. In a general sense, however, every dark saying, every difficult question, every parable, &c. may pass for an ænigma; hence obscure laws are called ænigmata juris.

title: Citations:ænigmata juris


text:
verbatim et literatim

Etymology
+ +.

Adverb

 * 1)  Word-for-word and to the letter.

title: verbatim et literatim


text:
Talk:verbatim et literatim

Easily verified
Searching for "verbatim et literatim" via Google Book Search yields 875 hits, the first page (30 hits) of which are all English. †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 18:28, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

title: Talk:verbatim et literatim


text:
רשם

Etymology
Compare 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) To inscribe, to write down, to note, to make a note.

title: רשם


text:
Talk:האזין

I'm sorry, but this verb should be "האזין" and not "האיזן". It's Binyan הפעיל. Shlomif 18:31, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

title: Talk:האזין


text:
véd

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to protect, guard

 * 1)  to shelter
 * 2)  to defend
 * 3)  to keep goal, save
 * 1)  to defend
 * 2)  to keep goal, save
 * 1)  to keep goal, save

Conjugation
or

title: véd


text: hared

title: hared


text:
שם לב

Etymology
Literally “to put heart (to)”.

Verb

 * 1) To notice, to note;.
 * 2) To pay attention (to);.
 * 1) To pay attention (to);.

title: שם לב


text:
védő

Participle

 * : protecting, protective, safety

Noun

 * 1) defender, protector, guardian
 * 2) supporter, advocate
 * 3)  back, defender a position behind most players on the team; one of the players whose primary task is to prevent the opposition from scoring
 * 1)  back, defender a position behind most players on the team; one of the players whose primary task is to prevent the opposition from scoring
 * 1)  back, defender a position behind most players on the team; one of the players whose primary task is to prevent the opposition from scoring
 * 1)  back, defender a position behind most players on the team; one of the players whose primary task is to prevent the opposition from scoring

title: védő


text:
vlieger

Etymology
From. Equivalent to.

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * , aeroplane

title: vlieger


text: vliegers

title: vliegers


text:
tükörfordítás

Noun

 * 1) loan translation, calque

title: tükörfordítás


text: Category:grc:Demonyms

title: Category:grc:Demonyms


text:
hidrogenar

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to hydrogenate

Verb

 * 1)  to hydrogenate

Verb

 * 1)  to hydrogenate

title: hidrogenar


text:
hidrogenación

Noun

 * 1) hydrogenation

title: hidrogenación


text: Category:grc:Ethnonyms

title: Category:grc:Ethnonyms


text: Category:grc:Plants

title: Category:grc:Plants


text:
szuahéli

Etymology
From, from , from , plural of.

Adjective

 * 1) Swahili

Noun

 * 1) Swahili (language)

title: szuahéli


text:
Talk:Guadeloupe

How does one pronounce this? --88.112.63.191 19:49, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

 * It’s like "Gwah-duh-LOOP." —Stephen 20:30, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

title: Talk:Guadeloupe


text:
tagország

Noun

 * 1) member state

title: tagország


text:
odynophagia

Etymology
From +.

Noun

 * 1)  Severe pain in the mouth or esophagus when attempting to swallow.

Translations

 * Finnish: nielemiskipu
 * French:
 * Italian:
 * Polish: odynofagia
 * Romanian: odinofagie

title: odynophagia


text: User talk:Spitfire19

title: User talk:Spitfire19


text:
itsepintainen

Adjective

 * 1) obstinate, refractory, stubborn
 * 2)  refractory difficult to heal

title: itsepintainen


text:
ดินสอ

Etymology
🇰🇲. In ancient times, people used white "ดินสอ" (marl, that is now called ดินสอพอง) to write on slate. Later, western traders brought graphite sticks to write on paper. Therefore, the graphite sticks are called "ดินสอ" as well.

Noun

 * 1) (classifier ) pencil, especially black one.
 * 2)  lime; marl; marly limestone.

title: ดินสอ


text:
refraktorinen

Etymology
(see 🇨🇬), ultimately from and adapted with the adjectival suffix.

Adjective

 * 1)  refractory difficult to heal

title: refraktorinen


text:
refraktaarinen

Etymology
>

Adjective

 * 1)  refractory difficult to heal

title: refraktaarinen


text:
plugged nickel

Usage notes

 * The form "plugged nickel" has been in usage longer than "plug nickel."

title: plugged nickel


text:
ปากกา

Etymology
From 🇰🇲; literally "crow mouth". Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Semantically, compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬,.

Noun

 * 1) (classifier ) pen: instrument for writing or drawing with ink or similar substance.
 * 2) (classifier ) fastener, as clothes peg.

title: ปากกา


text:
not worth a plug nickel

Adjective

 * 1)  Having no or almost no value; worthless.
 * 2) * 1975 Sep. 25, Vincent Canby, "Redford a CIA Eccentric in Three Days of Condor" (film review), New York Times, p. 60:
 * In the screenplay by Lorenzo Semple Jr., and David Rayfiel, Turner very early on stumbles upon the existence of a kind of super-C.I.A. within the C.I.A., after which his life is not worth a plug nickel.
 * In the screenplay by Lorenzo Semple Jr., and David Rayfiel, Turner very early on stumbles upon the existence of a kind of super-C.I.A. within the C.I.A., after which his life is not worth a plug nickel.

Usage notes

 * Of the alternative forms of this idiom, "not worth a plugged nickel" has a longer usage history than "not worth a plug nickel."

Related terms

 * / plugged nickel
 * / plugged nickel

title: not worth a plug nickel


text:
not worth a plugged nickel

Usage notes

 * Of the alternative forms of this idiom, "not worth a plugged nickel" has a longer usage history than "not worth a plug nickel."

title: not worth a plugged nickel


text:
kuumuudenkestävä

Adjective

 * 1) refractory able to resist high temperatures

title: kuumuudenkestävä


text:
ยางลบ

Etymology
From ; literally "deletion rubber".

Noun

 * 1) rubber: device for erasing marks made with pen, pencil, etc.

Usage notes

 * Uses the following classifiers, depending on form:, ,

title: ยางลบ


text:
refractoriness

Noun

 * 1) The quality of being refractory.
 * 2) * 2001, Oliver Sacks, Uncle Tungsten: Memories of a Chemical Boyhood, Alfred A. Knopf (2001), 8,
 * Uncle loved the desnsity of the tungsten he made, and its refractoriness, its great chemical stability.

title: refractoriness


text:
ไม้บรรทัด

Etymology
From ; literally "ruling strip". Compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) ruler: strip used for drawing lines, measuring, etc.
 * 2)  norm (of oneself)

title: ไม้บรรทัด


text:
ไม้

Etymology
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) plant.
 * 2) tree.
 * 3) trunk of a tree: wood, timber, lumber, log, etc.
 * 4) narrow or long piece of wood or similar object: skewer, stick, staff, pole, rod, wand, etc.
 * 5) thing made or originally made of wood.
 * 6) mark; symbol; sign.
 * 7) manner; attitude; way.
 * 8)  hand; arm.

title: ไม้


text:
กระดาษ

Etymology
. Compare 🇨🇬, ; 🇨🇬 (from Arabic ); and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) paper.

Descendants

 * , (possibly)
 * , (possibly)
 * , (possibly)

title: กระดาษ


text:
cargante

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) annoying

title: cargante


text:
sobrecargar

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to overload

title: sobrecargar


text:
หนังสือ

Etymology
From 🇰🇲; literally “skin of letters”, referring to a piece of skin on which something is written.

Noun

 * 1) letter; character; script.
 * 2) written form.
 * 3) written message.
 * 4) document.
 * 5) literary work.
 * 6) book.
 * 7) knowledge, especially one derived from a book or books.
 * 1) knowledge, especially one derived from a book or books.
 * 1) knowledge, especially one derived from a book or books.

title: หนังสือ


text:
สมุด

Etymology
Compare 🇨🇬. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬,.

Noun

 * 1) notebook.
 * 2)  book.

title: สมุด


text: knuckledragger

title: knuckledragger


text:
ห้องเรียน

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) classroom.

title: ห้องเรียน


text:
Citations:Leptospira asthenogen

 * 1926: Great Britain Bureau of Hygiene and Tropical Diseases, Tropical Diseases Bulletin, volume 23 (1926), page 736 (Bureau of Hygiene and Tropical Diseases)
 * They were 2–7 [μm?] long, are considered to be the agents of dengue, and are called Leptospira asthenogen. Pfeiffer’s reaction with the cultured organism is positive, and the patients’ serum agglutinated this also. The leptospira is immunologically distinct from the L. icterohaemorrhagiae.

title: Citations:Leptospira asthenogen


text:
ห้อง

Etymology
From.

Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 or.

Noun

 * 1) room (division of building).
 * 2)  measure, bar.

title: ห้อง


text:
رقصیدن

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to dance

title: رقصیدن


text: parlatori

title: parlatori


text: pastorelle

title: pastorelle


text: pendagli

title: pendagli


text: piedestalli

title: piedestalli


text: pistacchi

title: pistacchi


text: piuoli

title: piuoli


text: portantine

title: portantine


text: preminenze

title: preminenze


text: prodezze

title: prodezze


text: profumieri

title: profumieri


text: prolificazioni

title: prolificazioni


text: sfavori

title: sfavori


text: sorsate

title: sorsate


text: sotterramenti

title: sotterramenti


text: spensieratezze

title: spensieratezze


text: stambecchi

title: stambecchi


text: stoicismi

title: stoicismi


text: stranezze

title: stranezze


text: maculopatie

title: maculopatie


text: reattori nucleari

title: reattori nucleari


text: guerre civili

title: guerre civili


text: solennissima

title: solennissima


text: dichiarazioni di guerra

title: dichiarazioni di guerra


text: solennissimi

title: solennissimi


text: solennissime

title: solennissime


text: guerre mondiali

title: guerre mondiali


text: segretissima

title: segretissima


text: segretissimi

title: segretissimi


text: segretissime

title: segretissime


text: serissima

title: serissima


text: serissimi

title: serissimi


text: serissime

title: serissime


text: odorifera

title: odorifera


text: odoriferi

title: odoriferi


text: odorifere

title: odorifere


text: propiziatoria

title: propiziatoria


text: propiziatori

title: propiziatori


text: propiziatorie

title: propiziatorie


text: spasmodica

title: spasmodica


text: spasmodici

title: spasmodici


text: spasmodiche

title: spasmodiche


text: stocastica

title: stocastica


text: stocastici

title: stocastici


text: stocastiche

title: stocastiche


text: sessuata

title: sessuata


text: sessuati

title: sessuati


text: sessuate

title: sessuate


text: sonnacchiosa

title: sonnacchiosa


text: sonnacchiosi

title: sonnacchiosi


text: sonnacchiose

title: sonnacchiose


text: sottocutanea

title: sottocutanea


text: sottocutanei

title: sottocutanei


text: sottocutanee

title: sottocutanee


text: speranzosa

title: speranzosa


text: speranzosi

title: speranzosi


text:
หนังสือเรียน

Etymology
From 🇰🇲.

Noun

 * 1) textbook.

title: หนังสือเรียน


text: speranzose

title: speranzose


text: sparuta

title: sparuta


text: sparuti

title: sparuti


text: sparute

title: sparute


text: essudativa

title: essudativa


text: essudativi

title: essudativi


text: essudative

title: essudative


text: scevra

title: scevra


text: scevri

title: scevri


text: scevre

title: scevre


text: seminuda

title: seminuda


text: seminudi

title: seminudi


text: separabili

title: separabili


text:
sempiterna

Etymology
. Originally used as a school joke mocking the phrase of.

Noun

 * 1)  rear, buttocks, butt

title: sempiterna


text: sempiterni

title: sempiterni


text:
sempiterne

Noun

 * 1) perpetuana

Etymology 1
From.

Adverb

 * 1) perpetually
 * 2) forever

Adjective

 * 1) sempiternal; everlasting
 * 2) * late 14th C.,,
 * And his beinge is sempiterne.

title: sempiterne


text: serafica

title: serafica


text: serafici

title: serafici


text: serafiche

title: serafiche


text: sfitta

title: sfitta


text: sfitti

title: sfitti


text:
Talk:stage

Synonyms
I'm very excited to male my first Wiktionary post here, adding Synonyms. I am much more familiar with Wikipedia format. I would appreciate a feedback comment on my talk page.

I believe that tier, stage, level are all related in describing a physical structure (platform) or conceptual progression (phase). It would require a lot more work for me to justify this with references. Are references required? Anon lynx 21:50, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

RFV discussion: July–August 2020
Rfv-sense: (transitive, medicine) To assign (an ulcer) to one of the stages defined in the National Pressure Ulcer Staging System. (If the stage cannot be identified then it is said to be unstageable.)

This seems like a broader concept; see the general concept of cancer staging, or this proposed staging system for COVID-19, or this 1975 article describing the general 'staging' concept in medicine. ("The "staging" concept provides a system which classifies patients with similar medical conditions into clusters useful for patient care evaluation.") grendel|khan 18:47, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

 * I agree; this should be rewritten as something like “(pathology) To determine what stage (a disease, etc.) has progressed to”. — SGconlaw (talk) 16:18, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

RFV-passed based on 's cites and 's rewording. Kiwima (talk) 22:06, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

title: Talk:stage


text: sfitte

title: sfitte


text: siderea

title: siderea


text: siderei

title: siderei


text: sideree

title: sideree


text:
กระดานดำ

Etymology
. Same as 🇰🇲. Cognate with 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) blackboard.

title: กระดานดำ


text: signorili

title: signorili


text: sacrali

title: sacrali


text: sunnominata

title: sunnominata


text: sunnominati

title: sunnominati


text: sunnominate

title: sunnominate


text: suggestiva

title: suggestiva


text: suggestivi

title: suggestivi


text: suddivisibili

title: suddivisibili


text: stracca

title: stracca


text: stracchi

title: stracchi


text: stracche

title: stracche


text:
Talk:neuropathy

Help thread (2008)
i need information on neuropathy but new at this and can't find a full description.

 * Try clicking on the Wikipedia link at the top right corner of the neuropathy page. That takes you to the encyclopedic entry. —Stephen 22:03, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Usage notes
I'm really sceptical that almost any dictionary user would see these rather opaque notes and think, "oh that was helpful". Brevity is a virtue. Equinox ◑ 21:48, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

 * I can see what you mean, regarding general audiences. My interest in such analyses comes from environments where people edit technical documents and end up encountering the limits of and usage differentiation, idiomatic versus etymonic parsing, polysemy, rampant synonymy and latent hyponymy and hypernymy, acronymic homonymy, false friends, false cognates, translation, and related aspects of semantic relations. The interesting thing is that the opacity (which you mentioned) is relative: once past it, one can see a simple clarity that is very much germane to the theme of "which words do people use to mean which concepts, and why?" The example today: How did the word  end up not having senses related to such neuro (neurology) topics as neuropsychology and neuropsychiatry? Why are two words that "logically should be synonymous" not so? What happens when people start  changes to word choice and usage that (metaphorically) run aground on the aforementioned shoals that they didn't realize were there, but that quite concretely wreck their prescriptive intent? It is interesting to consider how Wiktionary can serve both audiences (the general and the technical) without offending the former. I will keep thinking about it. Quercus solaris (talk) 22:16, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

 * This response reinforces my point. Equinox ◑ 01:26, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

 * Here's a sturdier reinforcement yet; I lacked time to make it shorter. It's OK if no one reads the rest of this line of thought; it's mainly for me. Yeah, "words are hard", like "math is hard" too, and anything more than one short thought is inscrutable; rest assured, I'm quite familiar with the theme. But by itself it fails to solve some of the problems in various places where I've been paid to solve such problems for people who couldn't solve them for themselves. 'Well OK have a ball then, but take it somewhere else than Wiktionary', perhaps; well OK, I do take that point. TL;DR, words are hard and what do they mean anyway, amirite? As for 'take it elsewhere,' sigh, sure, I may end up doing so. Contributing to Wiktionary and Wikipedia has been one way to dream of reducing the background level of obtuseness, to put some dents in it. But it may not do so very much anyway. They make some great free dictionaries and most people refuse to use them anyway. (For what it's worth, I love that one, and quite a few of its usage notes are longer than any I've ever edited at Wiktionary. But nonetheless, 'most people refuse to use them anyway', to the point about 'almost any dictionary user'.) Some of the questions I've been asked in consequence, or the backbiting that gets back, along the lines that words are hard and so can't we just avoid using them (from people paid for supposedly being good at using them, no less), have sometimes been downright laughably obtuse over the years, but one gets paid to answer them as if they weren't. Also, I provide fifty short pithy helps and improvements for every one overlongish help that I provide (both in this context and in those others), but nobody notices or counts those (although they end up benefitting from their existence), whereas the exceptions stick out. As for the longish ones, such analyses need to be worked out first, before one can sink more time into making them shorter and also completely self-censoring the ones that turn out in retrospect to be non-pathway-critical and thus suppressible for the sake of TL;DR. Perhaps then save them for people and contexts that need the help, and even can pay for it too. But I just enjoy the free work at Wiktionary because it's self-directed, deadlineless, and relaxing. And the fifty short pithy increments are so easy and so satisfying to pick off. Which of course reflects poorly on the size of the wilderness of need for them (their scarcity so far) and what it implies about most humans generally (why hasn't anyone else already done any of them, out of so many anyone elses out there?). But perhaps the next stage of the evolution is to capture them elsewhere first and (over)refine them before sharing. It's more work and less fun, less spontaneous, but it could avoid any complaints. Difficult to say, though, because they were already only 2 sentences long, and any of the 'hard' (?) words were linked for help as needed. So how hopelessly low is the bar then? One sentence and pre-K? Me talk pretty one day. Well, anyway, good night, self, and thanks for listening. Quercus solaris (talk) 05:59, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm seconding the message that your usage notes are needlessly wordy and don't add anything useful. Also, deleting a discussion is not "archiving" it. Ultimateria (talk) 23:05, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:neuropathy


text: stomachevoli

title: stomachevoli


text:
กระดาน

Etymology
Extended from, from.

Noun

 * 1) (classifier แผ่น) board; plank.
 * 2)  (classifier แผ่น) board for writing, drawing, etc, as slate, chalkboard, markerboard, etc.
 * 3)  flat chest; flat-chested woman.

Adjective

 * 1)  flat like a board.

title: กระดาน


text:
ดำ

Etymology 1
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to dive (in the water).

Etymology 2
From. Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to plant; to transplant (rice in the padding field).

Etymology 3
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 or, 🇨🇬. Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) black.

title: ดำ


text:
ม่วง

Etymology 1
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1)  mango.
 * 2) (สี~) the colour of mango leaves: purple, violet, or the like.
 * 3) (ผ้า~) loincloth traditionally worn by noblemen, often purple or bluish in colour.

Noun

 * 1) (เรือ~) a type of dugout barge traditionally used by wealthy persons.

title: ม่วง


text:
เหลือง

Etymology
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) yellow.

title: เหลือง


text:
aprisco

Noun

 * 1) sheepfold enclosure for sheep
 * 2)  home house where one lives
 * 1)  home house where one lives

Etymology 1
.

Noun

 * 1) sheepfold

title: aprisco


text:
redil

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) sheepfold enclosure for sheep
 * 2) a flock of sheep
 * 3)  flock; congregation people who gather in a place of worship

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) fold, pen, sheepfold fenced off space to keep animals

title: redil


text:
ส้ม

Etymology
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬. Compare 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬 (whence 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬).

Adjective

 * 1) orange color
 * 2) sour

Noun

 * 1) orange fruit
 * 2) (สี~) orange color

title: ส้ม


text:
apriscar

Etymology
, from, participle of , from.

Verb

 * 1) to gather sheep into a sheepfold

title: apriscar


text:
แดง

Etymology 1
From, from. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 or, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬. Compare 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) red.

Verb

 * 1)  to reveal.

Etymology 2
Shortened from.

Noun

 * 1)  cent; money (for expressing destitution)

Etymology 3
From the properties of livings that have red or red-like color.

Noun

 * 1) (ไม้~) the tree of pyinkado, used in construction
 * 2) (เทียน~) dried ripe seed of garden cress, used as herb
 * 3) (ปลา~) the freshwater fish of  (syn. )
 * 4) (มด~) red ant,

title: แดง


text:
ขาว

Etymology
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬,🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 or, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬. Compare 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) white.

title: ขาว


text:
carnero

Etymology
. Compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) a sheep, a ram
 * 2) sheepskin
 * 3) mutton
 * 4) strikebreaker, scab
 * 1) mutton
 * 2) strikebreaker, scab

title: carnero


text:
badana

Etymology
..

Noun

 * 1) sheepskin

Etymology
From.

Etymology
From. Compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) flap, dust jacket of a book
 * 2)  fin of a fish, especially cod
 * 3)  simpleton
 * 4)  old, scrawny sheep
 * 1)  simpleton
 * 2)  old, scrawny sheep

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) sheepskin

Noun

 * 1) whitewash

title: badana


text:
เทา

Verb

 * 1)  to go; to proceed; to move.

Noun

 * 1)  blanketweed, the alga  of the family.

Etymology 3
Cognate with 🇨🇬. Possibly related to.

Adjective

 * 1)  grey.
 * 2)  somewhat bad, wrong, or illegal.

Verb

 * 1)  to crouch.

Adverb

 * 1)  in a vibratory manner; in a tremulous manner.

title: เทา


text:
น้ำตาล

Etymology
From 🇰🇲.

Noun

 * 1) palmyra palm juice.
 * 2) a traditional intoxicating beverage made from palmyra palm juice fermented with barks of certain plants, as, , or.
 * 3)  any intoxicating beverage made from palm juice, as palm wine, toddy, etc.
 * 4)  sugar made from palmyra palm juice: palm sugar.
 * 5) sugar (of any kind).
 * 6) (สี~) palm sugar like colour: brown.

title: น้ำตาล


text: Category:th:Colors

title: Category:th:Colors


text:
ชมพู

Etymology 1
From or. Compare 🇨🇬; Modern 🇨🇬. .

Noun

 * 1)  the plant,  (L.) Skeels., of the family.
 * 2)  edible fruit of such plant.

Etymology 2
From, ultimately from 🇨🇬 or. Compare Modern 🇨🇬. .

Adjective

 * 1) pink (of the colour pink).

Noun

 * 1) pink (colour).

title: ชมพู


text:
น้ำเงิน

Etymology
From 🇰🇲. Cognate with 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) dark blue.

title: น้ำเงิน


text:
périlleux

Etymology
, inherited from (probably through a contracted  form ). Corresponds to +.

, a borrowing.

Adjective

 * 1) perilous

title: périlleux


text:
ตู้หนังสือ

Etymology
From, cf 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) bookcase.

title: ตู้หนังสือ


text:
ตู้

Etymology
Borrowed from. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) cabinet; cupboard; wardrobe.

title: ตู้


text:
saut périlleux

Noun

 * 1) somersault

title: saut périlleux


text:
estantería

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) shelf, shelving, rack
 * 2) bookcase

title: estantería


text:
ปฏิทิน

Etymology
From, composed of , + ; compare 🇨🇬. Cognate with 🇨🇬,, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) calendar.

title: ปฏิทิน


text:
ชอล์ก

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) chalk.

title: ชอล์ก


text:
แผนที่

Etymology
From 🇰🇲. Compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) map.

title: แผนที่


text:
metencephalon

Noun

 * 1)  The portion of the embryonic rhombencephalon from which the pons and cerebellum arise.

title: metencephalon


text:
แผน

Etymology
Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) plan.

title: แผน


text:
นาฬิกา

Etymology
From.

Compare ; ;. And compare 🇨🇬; 🇨🇬; 🇨🇬; 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1)  hour. Abbreviation:
 * 2)  clepsydra consisting of a coconut shell with a hole on a bowl of water; duration measured thereby, approximately equal to 5 minutes.
 * 3) (classifier ) any timepiece, as clock, watch, hourglass, sundial, etc.
 * 1) (classifier ) any timepiece, as clock, watch, hourglass, sundial, etc.

title: นาฬิกา


text:
lead hopping

Noun

 * 1)  the identification of isofunctional molecular structures with significantly different molecular backbones

title: lead hopping


text:
mól

Etymology
From and.

Noun

 * 1)   base unit of amount of substance

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  mole

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1)  mole

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  moth

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) moth, tineid

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) moth

authors: Гражданская оборона

title: mól


text:
สูง

Etymology
From. Compare 🇨🇬 or. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) tall.
 * 2) high.

title: สูง


text:
scaffold hopping

Noun

 * 1)  lead hopping

title: scaffold hopping


text:
politicización

Etymology
A

Noun

 * 1) * 2008, B. Sagastume, "Triunfa en internet una canción que habla de los cayucos de Senegal," ABC.es, Nov. 7, 2006:
 * "es"
 * 1) * 2008, B. Sagastume, "Triunfa en internet una canción que habla de los cayucos de Senegal," ABC.es, Nov. 7, 2006:
 * "es"

- En «Sunugaal» -que en lengua wolof significa «nuestro cayuco»-, Awadi acusa al gobierno de su país de forzar a los jóvenes a que arriesguen sus vidas en un incierto viaje al exterior y alude a la corrupción y la politicización de la justicia, con periodistas y opositores encarcelados.

title: politicización


text:
เตี้ย

Adjective

 * 1) low (in height)

title: เตี้ย


text:
เล็ก

Etymology
Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) small.

title: เล็ก


text:
calatl

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) tree frog.

Etymology
Compare 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) red-eyed treefrog

title: calatl


text:
เก่า

Etymology
From, from. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1)  old (having existed for a long time).
 * 2) old; former; previous (of an earlier time).

title: เก่า


text:
สวย

Etymology 1
Cognate with 🇨🇬. Compare 🇨🇬.

Jonsson (1991) suggested it was from but most of SWT languages do not have words for it.

Adjective

 * 1) beautiful.
 * 2)  perfectly steamed; well steamed.

Etymology 2
Corrupted from.

Verb

 * 1)  to undergo something bad, such as to get scolded or punched.

title: สวย


text:
น่าเกลียด

Etymology
From 🇰🇲. Compare 🇨🇬,.

Adjective

 * 1) ugly, hideous, unattractive; disgusting, offensive, objectionable; despicable, contemptible, denunciable, blameworthy; inappropriate, improper, unsuitable.

title: น่าเกลียด


text:
งาม

Etymology
From (Jonsson, 1991). Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) beautiful.

title: งาม


text:
milcalatl

Noun

 * 1) A kind of frog or toad.
 * 2) * 16C: Bernardino de Sahagún, Florentine Codex, book 11, chapter 4, paragraph 4
 * MILCALATL: çan no ach iuhquj in tamaçoli, iece çan tepiton, çan qualli injc chachaquachtic: injc mjtoa mjlcalatl, xopitzactic, cujtlapicictic, cujtlatolontic: ixmacuex.
 * (MILCALATL: It is something like the toad, but quite small, of average size. As it is rough, so it is called milcalatl. It is slender-legged; it is very thin [or] very fat. Its eyes are like jewels.)
 * (MILCALATL: It is something like the toad, but quite small, of average size. As it is rough, so it is called milcalatl. It is slender-legged; it is very thin [or] very fat. Its eyes are like jewels.)

title: milcalatl


text:
เลว

Etymology
Possibly from.

Adjective

 * 1) bad; poor; low.

title: เลว


text:
ชั่ว

Etymology 1
Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) time, occasion; period, period of time, duration; length.

Preposition

 * 1)  for; throughout; during; over; as long as.

Etymology 2
Compare 🇨🇬. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) bad, evil, wicked; base, low, mean; ill, objectionable, unsatisfactory, poor, faulty; hostile, unkindly, unfavorable, adverse.

Synonyms

 * See.

title: ชั่ว


text:
อ่อน

Etymology
From, from. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 or, 🇨🇬 or , 🇨🇬 or , 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) young.
 * 2) soft.

title: อ่อน


text:
ผอม

Etymology
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬. Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) skinny.
 * 2) thin.

title: ผอม


text:
อ้วน

Etymology
Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬; compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) fat.

title: อ้วน


text:
Portugall

Etymology
See.

Noun

 * 1)  A Portuguese person.
 * 2) * 1619, W. W. Gent (translator), A briefe relation of the persecution lately made against the Catholike christians, in the Kingdome of Iaponia
 * AMONGST other coũtryes which were vnknowne to vs of Europe vntill in this later age they were diſcouered by the Spaniardes & Portugalls, one is Iapone...
 * 1) * 1630, John Smith, Travels of Captaine John Smith, 1907 edition, Vol. II, p. 167-8
 * The Kingdome of Congo is about 600. miles diameter any way, the chiefe Citie called St. Savadore, seated upon an exceeding high mountaine, 150. miles from the Sea, verie fertile, and inhabited with more than 100000. persons, where is an excellent prospect over all the plaine Countreyes about it, well watered, lying (as it were) in the Center of this Kingdome, over all which the Portugalls now command, though but an handfull in comparison of Negroes.
 * 1) * 1662, John Bargrave, Pope Alexander VII
 * At a congregational meeting he was for the reception of the Portugall embassador.

title: Portugall


text:
Talk:double space

double spacehow do i double space???when writting an essay??

 * In microsoft word you go to Format menu -> Format Paragraphs and click Line-spacing and change it to double. Or you press the space bar twice :) Conrad.Irwin 23:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

title: Talk:double space


text:
น้อย

Etymology
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 or, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 or , 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) little, few.
 * 2) small.

Adverb

 * 1) a little, a few.

title: น้อย


text:
มาก

Etymology
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 (close meaning: wealthy).

Adverb

 * 1) a lot; much; many.

title: มาก


text:
นิ่ม

Etymology
Changed from.

Adjective

 * 1) soft.

title: นิ่ม


text:
แข็ง

Etymology
From, from. Cognate with 🇨🇬 or, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 and.

Adjective

 * 1) hard; rigid.

title: แข็ง


text:
ทื่อ

Adjective

 * 1) dull (not sharp).

title: ทื่อ


text:
休暇

Verb

 * 1)  to rest; to be at one's leisure

Noun

 * 1) vacation
 * 2) * 1920, 豊島与志雄, 或る女の手記:
 * 3) some time off
 * 4) * 1936, 海野十三, 空襲警報:
 * 1) * 1936, 海野十三, 空襲警報:

title: 休暇


text: anthologises

title: anthologises


text:
คม

Etymology 1
Shortened from, from.

Verb

 * 1)  (ทรง~) to perform a wai; to greet with respect; to pay respect; to worship.

Etymology 2
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) edge (of knife, sword, axe, etc).

Adjective

 * 1) sharp.

title: คม


text: anthologising

title: anthologising


text: anthologised

title: anthologised


text: appetisingly

title: appetisingly


text:
แพง

Etymology
Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to be possessive
 * 2) to be loved

Adjective

 * 1) beloved; cherished

Verb

 * 1) to be possessive
 * 2) to be loved

Adjective

 * 1) beloved; cherished

Usage notes
This is the form using consonants with their Northern Thai values. The Lanna script form is ; the form using consonants with their Siamese values is.

Etymology
From, from. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 or. Compare 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) expensive; of a high price.
 * 2)  elegant.
 * 1)  elegant.
 * 1)  elegant.

title: แพง


text:
ขยัน

Adjective

 * 1) eager.
 * 2) hard-working.

title: ขยัน


text:
coyo̱ʼ

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) coyote

title: coyo̱ʼ


text:
ขี้เกียจ

Etymology
.

Adjective

 * 1)  lazy; idle; inactive; sluggish.

Verb

 * 1)  (จะ~)

title: ขี้เกียจ


text:
เกียจคร้าน

Etymology
.

Adjective

 * 1)  lazy; idle; inactive; sluggish.

Synonyms

 * See

title: เกียจคร้าน


text:
coyutl

Etymology
From. 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1)  coyote.
 * 2)  foreigner.

Etymology
From.

title: coyutl


text: coiotl

title: coiotl


text:
สั้น

Etymology
Compare 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) short

title: สั้น


text: reëntry

title: reëntry


text:
ทอง

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) gold

Noun

 * 1) copper

Etymology
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬,, , , , ; Modern 🇨🇬, , ; 🇨🇬; 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) gold.
 * 2)  feces.
 * 3) any metallic material, such as bronze, brass, copper, etc.

Noun

 * 1) satchel.

title: ทอง


text: backstroking

title: backstroking


text: backstroked

title: backstroked


text:
too big to fail

Adjective

 * 1)  Deemed too important to the economy or polity to be allowed to “fail”, that is to be liquidated or to go bankrupt.
 * 2) * 1912, Fabian Society, Fabian Tract No. 164, "Gold and State Banking: A Study in the Economics of Monopoly"
 * The fact, which surely everybody knows and hardly anybody ventures to state, is that the stability of our great banks--and all our banking system which now matters a tittle consists of great banks--is based not on the supply of gold in their vaults, nor on the reserve in the Bank of England, but on the fact that they are too big to fail, too big commercially and far too big politically. If Lloyds, or the London County, or the National Provincial stopped payment, the consequences would far exceed a San Francisco earthquake, a Chicago fire, or any other catastrophe within the memory of man.
 * 1) * 2008, Ben S. Bernanke, Testimony on regulatory restructuring before the Committee on Financial Services, U.S. House of Representatives on July 10, 2008
 * In these efforts, we aim not only to make the financial system better able to withstand future shocks but also to mitigate moral hazard and the problem of "too big to fail," by reducing the range of circumstances in which systemic stability concerns might prompt government intervention.
 * 1) * 2008, Ben S. Bernanke, Testimony on regulatory restructuring before the Committee on Financial Services, U.S. House of Representatives on July 10, 2008
 * In these efforts, we aim not only to make the financial system better able to withstand future shocks but also to mitigate moral hazard and the problem of "too big to fail," by reducing the range of circumstances in which systemic stability concerns might prompt government intervention.

title: too big to fail


text:
เตียง

Etymology
Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) bed.

title: เตียง


text:
Wiktionary talk:News for editors

Announcements
What's the relationship (if there is one) between [[Wiktionary:News for editors]] and [[Wiktionary:Announcements]]? —Ruakh TALK 17:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think of the former as being news that editors need to edit according to Wiktionary conventions and policies, such as changes in templates, categorization, and the like. [[Wiktionary:Announcements]] has been listing a few of those, but not nearly comprehensively, and also lists other news like "we have a new 'crat". (And [[Wiktionary:Milestones]] lists only newpage stats.)—msh210 ℠  17:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Interwiki
Is it possible to add an interwiki link to fr:Wiktionnaire:Journal des contributeurs ? - Dakdada 23:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * There is now a French page : fr:Wiktionnaire:Journal des contributeurs (which is not fully linked in the project, but it will soon be, I think). --Szyx 23:38, 22 December 2008 (UTC) Sorry, I didn't saw Dakdada's message.

hinter
Have got a new shortcut: SLT or SMLT for "something like that"

Out of order
The page asks that the "news" is kept in chronological order, and I'm noting that it isn't. I'm unable to edit this page (being anonymous as I am) and so I'm pointing it out instead of fixing it. 70.91.178.185 19:07, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Yeah, it's confusing. The order indicates when a news item was added, but the month and year indicate when it actually took effect — which could have been months or years earlier. For example, see —Ruakh TALK 19:33, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Archival and/or reformatting
The list of news is getting rather long now, and consequently less easy to parse. I have two thoughts on how to deal with this These two are not of course mutually exclusive. Thryduulf 00:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * archive news items older than (say) four months either to a separate page (News for editors/archive perhaps)
 * change the format to have an L3 header or simple bold line for each month there is news, with the items being bulleted lists within these headers. See User:Thryduulf/N4E mockup. Although I've used both bold and headers there, this is just to illustrate both options. I think that only one style should actually be used.
 * I like the mockup. Eventually, the list will be long enough despite the format that we will need either to archive it or, I think more likely, to simply remove the oldest items.—msh210 ℠  00:50, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Uh oh, methinks we're blogging. —Michael Z. 2009-04-30 01:40 z

I'd vote for an archive. Even if it merely consisted of a link on WT:N4E/archive to the last version before each purge. \Mike 11:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If every addition comes with a removal, or most do, then one merely check the history for the last version before each purge. —  msh210  ℠  20:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

New messages
What's the purpose of Special:NewMessages being linked to from up top? I would like to know. —Internoob (Disc•Cont) 22:11, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Erm, where is it linked to? I can't see it on this page or the project page? Thryduulf (talk) 22:37, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It's between "my watchlist" and "my contributions" at the very top. —Internoob (Disc•Cont) 23:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, I think that there should be something on News for Editors about this. —Internoob (Disc•Cont) 03:17, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * See Grease_pit. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 22:54, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Liquid Threads is live?
On News for editors it says that "Liquid Threads is now live" but, apart from the test page, I could not find any talk pages using the new system. I am confused.--Commander Keane 11:00, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

 * It's optional. User_talk:Internoob is using it, for instance. Equinox ◑ 11:41, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Revision of phrasing of February 2011 news?
Stumbled a bit over the grammar for that revision. Perhaps better ways to phrase the 2011 February news might be:
 * Minor revision: To be included, languages that are not natural languages must have consensus for approval.
 * Larger revision: Languages that are not natural languages must have a consensus for inclusion in the project.
 * Even larger revision: There must be a consensus for inclusion of languages that are not natural languages in the project.

Regardless, that "to be included" in the middle of the phrase just felt quite awkward. Didn't revise myself due to lack of permissions for the page.PolicyReformer 23:47, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Change to headword lines of English verbs
Could someone please clarify what "English verbs' headword lines (inflection lines) should no longer include to at their start" means? Thanks. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 18:23, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The used to look like
 * but now look like
 * but now look like

. —msh210℠ (talk) 19:37, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. So it doesn't apply to definitions, then? (For example, "trill".) — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 17:15, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Right. —msh210℠ (talk) 19:18, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

red username
I don't know if this is the place to ask this. I already have a userpage in wikipedia. I just want to know why my username is in redlink when I edit in wiktionary. Does that mean that I have to create another user page here?-Meerkatakreem 16:31, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Not the right place (try WT:ID in the future), but, yes, that is the reason. —msh210℠ (talk) 17:50, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request to add noinclude tags
I suggest this project page add "noinclude" tags at the top and bottom, so users can transclude the main contents in their user pages without getting all the other stuff (shortcuts, instructions, categories, interwikis) — as, for example, at User talk:Cirt. - dcljr (talk) 03:02, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. --Yair rand (talk) 03:21, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Inactive
Are we really that boring, or is it time to use ? --Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 05:42, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been adding things here but it seems that some of them disappeared... 10:31, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * This shouldn't be inactive. With major changes like that to happening it's important that there is somewhere infrequent editors can keep abreast of what they need to know. Thryduulf (talk) 20:43, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

references??
Could someone please remove the pointless "reference needed" template in the November entry about the PoS template parameters???? Circeus (talk) 16:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Nixie tube
Under "nixie" there is no reference to the nixie tube, a vacuum tube which typically displayed the digits 0~9 on incadescent elements stacked inside a glass sheath. I doubt that they are manufactured any more, but some may be repaired by university glass-blowers to keep antique electronics running for a few years yet. David Lloyd-Jones (talk) 22:42, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Nixie tube has an entry. Equinox ◑ 22:44, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

 * I have a nice photograph of a number 3 nixie tube. I also noticed that "Nixie" is red-lined on the Nixie tube entry, presumably because it should be a Wikilink to "nixie", instead of "Nixie". I will check on that and fix it, if possible. --FeralOink (talk) 21:32, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

 * It's not a nixie in the lower-cased sense. See Talk:Nixie tube. Equinox ◑ 12:19, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Unpronounceable pronunciation protocol
Perhaps someone could explain why Wiktionary and Wikipedia use a pronunciation standard (The International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) whither one cannot determine the correct pronunciation without learning the standard first. Shouldn't there be a simpler phonetic guide that a novice could see and immediately pronounce said word?  For example: wither  = /ˈwɪðɚ/ whither = /wɪðɚ/  rhymes with -ɪðə(r) Honestly, can any of you look at this and immediately know how to pronounce it?  The two words are pronounced differently but the only difference in this guide is ˈ, which tells 99.9% of page visitors nothing. Torturella (talk) 15:54, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Re: "Shouldn't there be a simpler phonetic guide that a novice could see and immediately pronounce said word?" in a perfect world, yes. But English has too many different sounds, most IPA sounds are pretty intuitive to an English speaker, but extra letters are needed for sounds that don't map to a single Latin letter. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:02, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Currently, IPA is the only standard that is widely known and used, and is unambiguous, precise, and can be used for all languages. There really is nothing else to substitute for it, without also making it less accessible (because people have to learn a new scheme) or less useful (because it cannot be applied to all languages). So maybe you can help us find something that works better. Which pronunciation standard are you familiar with? And will it have the same accuracy and applicability that IPA has? 16:06, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I did a minor-yet-surgical edit at the Wikipedia part of the WMF when it comes to religion, bascially. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 02:17, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

There is no simpler phonetic guide, Torturella. We’ve spent a millennium on writing English and a century or more on pronunciation guides, and what you see is the best there is.

Also, this is a volunteer effort. How would you like to learn IPA and help improve the dictionary?

The reason there is little difference, in this case, is that these two represent the same pronunciation (the vertical line, missing from one example, merely marks the place of stress). —Michael Z. 2013-11-09 03:04 z

new Latin whole-lexeme–search templates
Hello. I recently created and, after the need for such templates became clear in discussions at WT:RFV. I'm eager to inform the Latin-language editors here of their existence and to receive feedback on them. Could someone who has the ability to do so post a statement about them on this project page, please? Thanks in advance. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 16:37, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Polish declension template additions
I made two changes which could be added to the news: --Tweenk (talk) 01:46, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) All Polish noun inflection table templates, except  and, now support the parameter  . Use   to generate a singulare tantum and   to generate a plurale tantum.
 * 2) There is a new template  which consolidates  and, and furthermore adds support for masculine personal nouns ending in -ca.

 * Latin noun declension-table templates have a parameter similar to tantum, except it's called num; might it be worth including num as a synonym of tantum in those Polish noun declension-table templates? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 14:27, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

 * It's doable. What are the parameters for num? Also  and  ? --Tweenk (talk) 17:14, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

 * They're  and   in the case of the Latin ones. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 17:28, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

 * OK, done; num should be an alias of tantum,  as a value is an alias to , and   is an alias to  . --Tweenk (talk) 23:15, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Thanks. :-) That sort of thing makes the interlinguistic learning curve for editing somewhat less steep. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 13:27, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

 * So, is this going to appear on the news page? I made some further changes and now there are also templates for nouns with adjectival declension and manual overrides for specific inflected forms. Details at Category:Polish noun inflection-table templates.

 * As recent editors of this page, would one of you mind dealing with this, please? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 10:15, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Let's ask User:Kephir, he's also Polish like Tweenk and has good programming skills. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 10:22, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Update: is actually deprecated - putting  on the page without any parameters will do the right thing. Over the last few months I did substantial development on Module:pl-noun, so that now it handles 95% of nouns automatically based only on the gender.

Template:pl-decl-phrase
This is a new template that integrates Module:pl-noun and Module:pl-adj to generate declensions for noun phrases. Each element can be specified in a manner very similar to existing inflection-table templates. --Tweenk (talk) 19:38, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

backups
Does anyone have any idea about the time when next English Wiktionary XML dump will be available? (I hope is not related to "Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Elections" but I think that Foundation Board is also responsible for making these backups available to the public).--Xoristzatziki (talk) 03:42, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I do not know when the dumps will be available (I know that there were some issues a while back but I don't know if they are continuing) but I can promise you that the delay is not to do with the election. While the board oversees the foundation (which does indeed make the dumps public) they are not responsible for the day to day work on that and none of the engineers who take part in that area were working on the election. Jalexander-WMF (talk) 21:05, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Category watchlist
The entry for 18th August should be removed or modified - the inclusion of categories in watchlists/recent changes has been backed out. Keith the Koala (talk) 12:51, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

User:OrphicBot
I'd mention User:OrphicBot. Now editors can pretty much not worry about --Q9ui5ckflash (talk) 18:50, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

"The Word Detective" addition
What about it? I don't understand: what is so significant about November 14th for the addition to be dated so if the book was published in October. Cheers, --biblbroksдискашн 14:32, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

 * That's just the date that the notice was posted. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 14:34, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

 * I guessed so... rather lately. Tho at first I didn't understand the addition at all. My opinion it should be reworded to something like: "An instructive read about a competitor has been noticed by the editors". Unless we link to the copy of the book somewhere it gives the impression that it is not our worth-while. After all it is our colleague that spotted it and contributed about it and as far as I can tell all other additions bear our traces with them. --biblbroksдискашн 14:44, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Is ‘competitor’ really the right word here? Ƿidsiþ 14:55, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

 * I've added a couple of the book's ISBNs. Ask DCDuring. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 15:48, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * We compete for users and respect with them. Among the various things we claim to be is a historical dictionary of English. Obviously we also use them as a vital resource. We are in a position analogous to a box manufacturer that buys its cardboard from a company that also makes boxes: strategically vulnerable.
 * We can learn a fair amount about modern lexicographic practice from the book. The OED is unmatched among English dictionaries for its inclusiveness. They share with us a desire to cover the entire language and over its entire life. What other English dictionary does that? DCDuring TALK 16:55, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

 * I seem to gather it now. It's just that I haven't checked the whole N4E list before: there are news that don't take into account that we as Wiktionarians reported on them. Should've done that. :-/ I never had the intention to question the latest news' worthiness but only the style of its reporting. Cheers, --biblbroksдискашн 19:11, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Module:labels/data/subvarieties now available
As of February 25, can use the data in Module:labels/data/subvarieties, if a lua field is added to the labels' data files. — Eru·tuon 01:02, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Template:table:German playing cards
was created. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 23:40, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Request to add news
I recommend the following news item:

Please endorse or critique meta:Grants:Project/Intelligibility transcriptions or both, at the end of that page, on its talk page, or at Grease pit/2017/March.

Thank you for your kind consideration. James Salsman (talk) 06:11, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

If an admin thinks this is of general interest, please add it. Recently we have added tagging for certain scripts to page titles, using the headword module and the parser function. This should prevent them from displaying as boxes (tofu) for some users. The list of scripts for which tagging is added is found in Module:headword/data. Users are welcome to add more scripts to the list. — Eru·tuon 21:34, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Dearth of news
Only admins can post here, that might be why. —CodeCat 21:21, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I was kind of hoping an admin would post my statement about the labels module above to the page, but since I didn't ask, I didn't get, I guess. — Eru·tuon 22:41, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It's still pretty inactive... —suzukaze (t・c) 12:34, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It's because all proposed changes are being voted down. —Rua (mew) 16:36, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should start posting less important stories and even make up stories? --WikiTiki89 17:13, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Let's start with "Wikidata turns out to be Skynet in disguise". —Rua (mew) 17:47, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If we only had regular news like "(name of dictionary publisher) adds more than 1000 new words" Jberkel (talk) 14:42, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * That'd be quite good, something like WT:MILE but with a brief curated review of some of the new stuff (like OED's "what's new" press releases). Not sure we're equipped for it. Equinox ◑ 14:56, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Length

 * "External links" (shortly also named "External sources")

"External sources" is longer than "External links" (by two letters or one syllable), so it's correctly "lengthly also named" or just "also named". -84.161.36.86 03:17, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * "Shortly" refers to the duration of its use, not its word length. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 03:20, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I think "briefly" is the word we're looking for. "Shortly" is generally understood to mean "in the near future", as in "I'll be with you shortly". —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 19:00, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

is this notable?
16 November 2017: Template:Uw-tilde is created to greet newbies who are not yet familiar with the signing process. --Sije (talk) 21:42, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

title: Wiktionary talk:News for editors


text: calved

title: calved


text: chancelleries

title: chancelleries


text:
itzcuincoyotl

Noun

 * 1) coyote

title: itzcuincoyotl


text: chaplaincies

title: chaplaincies


text: crusading

title: crusading


text: cochleas

title: cochleas


text:
User:Raiku~enwiktionary/sig

 Rai ku

title: User:Raiku~enwiktionary/sig


text: celibates

title: celibates


text: castigators

title: castigators


text: cotillions

title: cotillions


text:
User:Raiku~enwiktionary

Gavin means both "Battle Hawk" and "White Hawk".

title: User:Raiku~enwiktionary


text: chanceries

title: chanceries


text: cesareans

title: cesareans


text:
bibliophobia

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) The fear or dislike of books.

Translations

 * French:
 * German: Bbibliophobie
 * Portuguese: bibliofobia

title: bibliophobia


text: LLU

title: LLU


text:
technical drawing

Noun

 * 1) A depiction that relays the concept or idea for a physical object or group of physical objects.
 * Technical drawings include engineering drawings, sketches, CAD, and more.
 * 1) The art of producing such pictures.
 * 2) The act of producing such a picture.
 * 1) The act of producing such a picture.
 * 1) The act of producing such a picture.

Translations

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Czech:
 * Finnish: tekninen piirustus
 * German: Technische Zeichnung, ,
 * Latvian: rasējums
 * Polish:
 * Portuguese: desenho técnico
 * Romanian:
 * Russian:
 * Spanish: dibujo técnico
 * Swedish:, konstruktionsritning, byggritning

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Czech: rýsování
 * Finnish: tekninen piirustus
 * German: Technisches Zeichnen
 * Latvian: rasējums
 * Polish:
 * Portuguese:
 * Russian:
 * Spanish: dibujo técnico
 * Swedish:

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Czech: rýsování, narýsování
 * Finnish: tekninen piirtäminen
 * Latvian: rasēšana
 * Polish:
 * Portuguese:
 * Russian:
 * Spanish: dibujo técnico
 * Swedish:, , uppritning

title: technical drawing


text: chromes

title: chromes


text: technical drawings

title: technical drawings


text: quinquilharias

title: quinquilharias


text:
desprezível

Etymology
From the non-standard suffixation.

Adjective

 * 1) despicable deserving to be despised
 * 2) insignificant, negligible
 * 1) insignificant, negligible

title: desprezível


text:
desagradável

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) unpleasant, disagreeable

title: desagradável


text:
putrefacient

Adjective

 * Of, pertaining to, or causing putrefaction.

Noun

 * 1) That which causes putrefaction.

title: putrefacient


text:
User talk:Goldensam

-Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 02:05, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

title: User talk:Goldensam


text:
User talk:Raiku~enwiktionary

Requests for verification
I thought you should be made aware of this. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 02:09, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Raiku. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Raiku~enwiktionary that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 00:07, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 07:23, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

title: User talk:Raiku~enwiktionary


text:
User talk:Cooldudekatty~enwiktionary

-Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 02:11, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Cooldudekatty. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Cooldudekatty~enwiktionary that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:42, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 07:00, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

title: User talk:Cooldudekatty~enwiktionary


text:
User:Anon lynx

I am the same anon lynx as in Wikipedia. For more information about me, see me there.

title: User:Anon lynx


text:
User talk:Anon lynx

Take a look at what I have done at stage. We have templates that we use to enhance the uniformity of appearance/predictability of entries. is how we do it for synonyms. We try to have a gloss that is very close to (often briefer than) the corresponding sense of the word for which we are showing some synonyms. It may well be that our entry for "stage" does not actually have enough senses, especially to fully support your synonyms (which don't seem wrong in view of the etymology that I have found (multiple converging sources)). You might want to compare our entry to other online dictionaries using www.OneLook.com. Be careful, though. We cannot copy the text of any entry from a dictionary. Even shallow paraphrases are suspect. It is not too hard to improve wording, often by modernizing the entry. DCDuring TALK 02:28, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

title: User talk:Anon lynx


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