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Talk:apricot blossom

apricot blossom
Unlike cherry blossom, this word is not one I recall ever hearing spoken. --EncycloPetey 21:52, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

 * The combination of those two words is probably relatively common, at least common enough to find three examples of usage. The question is whether or not it is idiomatic, etc. — Beobach972 03:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

 * 1951: Wai Wen Ch'u Pan She, Chinese Literature
 * Everyone, professor or cadre, would smile at us as if we were the apricot blossom and spring themselves.

 * Hmm... This sounds more like a literal translation of a Chinese idiom than idiomatic usage in English. --EncycloPetey 17:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

 * *shrug* Probably. — Beobach972 20:36, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

 * ...opened my eyes/and what did I see?/Popcorn popping/on the apricot tree... I don't think I've ever heard "apricot blossom" but I imagine botanists might use it in a sum-of-parts manner.  What is the Chinese idiom?  --Connel MacKenzie 02:54, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

 * This is my bad if it is not idiomatic. You'll find several expressions of the form + "blossom" that I added to blossom. I think these are all in the OED, but that doesn't mean they pass our CFI as the OED often lists unidiomatic collocations as examples. So if "apple blossom", "cherry blossom", etc, are found to be unidiomatic (after checking the OED), they can be deleted. A weak argument in favour of keeping these terms is that "apple", "cherry", etc, refer to the trees of those names rather than of the fruits, and so the sense is not immediately understandable when "apple" refers to a fruit much more often than it refers to a tree. A counterargument to that is, of course, that it is trees that have blossom, not fruits, so the sense is immediately understandable in that context. — Paul G 09:52, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

 * PS: I would say, however, that orange blossom should be kept, as this could be understood to mean "blossom that is orange in colour" rather than "blossom of the orange tree", which is, of course, white. — Paul G 09:52, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Oh, wow, I never made that connection. In Gabriel García Marquez's Chronicle of a Death Foretold (which I read in English translation), it explains that a bride wears a white dress and orange blossoms as a sign of her purity, which I somehow completely failed to understand. I totally thought it meant "orange-colored blossoms". So, yes, definitely keep orange blossom. (I rather feel that apricot blossom should be kept as well, but I can't formulate a coherent argument for why.) —RuakhTALK 15:56, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm inclined to agree it should be kept as a reasonable colocation, (Pawley list?) even if not idiomatic. (But I'm still curious about that Chinese idiom.)  --Connel MacKenzie 18:52, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

 * "Blooms of degree success"? A-cai?  --Connel MacKenzie 18:57, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Keep orange blossom, but I'm inclined to RFD the others. The fried egg test requries that the meaning cannot be derived from the constituents nor from their combination. In these cases it's pretty clear that the blossom is not yet a fruit. It's terms like onion blossom that require some explanation. DAVilla 20:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Easily cited. I'm not inclined to RFD at this point. DAVilla 16:57, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Note that peach blossom seems to have an erroneous definition. I have listed it on RFV, where I have cross-referenced this discussion. — Paul G 17:24, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Was just an error, I'd think. DAVilla 20:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

 * rfvpassed Cynewulf 18:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

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 * 1) badminton game
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Talk:cunning

I and my family have lived in New England for generations. Cunnin is definitely an "Old Yankee" word for adorable. So put it back.
 * If you look at the entry, you'll see that it's already back- as it has been since it passed verification 5 years ago. Chuck Entz (talk) 15:44, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm removing the following adjective bullet as I've lived in New England my whole life and never heard this word used in this way: " Cute, appealing. (Rarely used., mostly in New England, pronounced by dropping the g: "cunnin")" Slang and extremely uncommon usage such as this does not belong here, but rather in the urbandictionary.

cunning
Adjective sense 3. # Cute, appealing. (Rarely used., mostly in New England, pronounced by dropping the g: "cunnin") - Algrif 13:57, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Wow! That is a lot of redundant senses!  Is there really more than one?  --Connel MacKenzie 05:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's definitely old-fashioned American slang to use "cunning" in the sense of "cute", as in "what a cunning dress/baby/puppy!". Finding this usage on the Internet is difficult (it helps if you eliminate the words "linguist" and "stunt" from the search field), but see for example, , . The bit about "mostly in New England, pronounced by dropping the g" is probably unverifiable original research and ought to be eliminated. Angr 17:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I searched g.b.c. for "cunnin" and found many cites. A few were of poems about babies. A couple were very explicitly about the "cunning" selfishness of babies. I didn't find any instance that was unambiguously about "cute" (but my search was not very thorough). I wonder whether any somewhat positive adjective applied to babies, puppies, or kittens comes to mean "cute". DCDuring 18:48, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

--- My mother and her sisters often voiced this exact usage (even the dropped 'g), much to the perplexity of my erudite Texas-born wife. Mom's family were east-coast NYC/NJ area mid-upper-class, men-folk university educated in the 1895-1930 era, 2nd generation americans of German-Irish heritage. They summered in Eastern Pennsylvania, not New England.

Very common as 'cunnin' meaning cute in SouthWest Nova Scotia, Canada - Barrington to Yarmouth area. The area grew from landings of the Loyalists from New England.

2005 Plato citation
I believe it's under the wrong sense. It seems to mean craftiness, not skill in general. Equinox ◑ 15:53, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

present participle of can
present participle of can (v.t., v.i. [Obs. "to know")] --Backinstadiums (talk) 09:40, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:ripe

ripe
"Intoxicated" sense - is that regional?

Noun - really?

Verb? Really? You mean ripen, surely?

--Connel MacKenzie 12:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I think the "intoxicated" sense is archaic; Shakespeare uses it, and modern editors footnote it. I also think Shakespeare uses the "ripen" sense, but I'm not sure. —RuakhTALK 15:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

 * General question: are we still marking things not used in 100 years with ? --Connel MacKenzie 17:25, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

"Intoxicated" sense RFV passed — The Tempest is a well-known work, so we don't need any other cites — and other senses RFV failed. (At some point I might set about tracking down a Shakespearean use of the verb sense "to ripen", in which case I'll re-add it.) —Ruakh TALK 17:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Requests for deletion - kept
Kept. See archived discussion of June 2008. 09:25, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

RFC discussion: May 2007
Redundant senses, ambiguous translation section. --Connel MacKenzie 12:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

seuxally mature; nubile
i read a book once where some bullies convinced a girl to say that she was "ripe" which i understood to mean "sexually receptive; ready for sex". I htink it was Nobody Nowhere by Donna Williams. — Soap — 14:27, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Necronomicon

Necronomicon
A specific fictional book title from a novel. No generic or attributive use given. Dmcdevit·t 07:42, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Does the Simpsons count? Kappa 08:03, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 2002 Simpsons episode Brawl In The Family
 * and now Bob Dole will read from the Necronomicon.
 * I think the Simpsons counts, but what meaning does that use of the term convey? Anything beyond just mentioning the name? Dmcdevit·t 08:08, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Isn't this a rather iconic book pertaining to the black arts? The mere mention of which conjures up certain feelings and connotations. I'd say it's more than just a name. __meco 08:40, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not the point: it very well may be, but it sounds like you are looking for an encyclopedia article. If the mere mention of it conjures up anything at all other than the fictional book invented by Lovecraft, then the definition should reflect that with citations. Dmcdevit·t 08:48, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree because we're talking about a proper noun. Just because mention of the word Paris conjures up an imagery of bagettes, cafes, art, and fashion does not mean we shouldn't list it as "the capital city of France". Just because the word Versailles conjures up an image of grandeur does not mean that makes a good definition of the word (though that ought to be mentioned).  Proper nouns are specific objects and must be defined as such.  The Necronomicon is a specific book (albeit fictional) and should be defined as such.  The Usage Notes may express additional conntations as needed.  --EncycloPetey 20:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * This cite is good . It shows a sense different from the current one where the word is used generically to denote something other than the fictional book itself, but presumably something sinister and mysterious. The definition should correspond to that sense (if it can be corroborated with other citations). Dmcdevit·t 08:48, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The meaning being conveyed in the Simpsons is "an evil book". Kappa 09:08, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That's a connotation, though, not a definition. I don't see this as a separate definition, just a reference to the same arcane book invented by Lovecraft and referenced/mentioned by numerous other authors. --EncycloPetey 17:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Since the book is fictional, it has no specific content associated with it. Its mention is intended to bring in an antiquity, weight, and horror that the name carries in connotation from other stories.  It turns up in stories by varied authors who usually mention it, possibly describing its cover or history, but never giving the contents.  It really ranks more as a word used to conjure up a sense of ancient evil and the supernatural rather than to identify a particular object.  If you do look at the Wikipedia article on the Necronomicon, you'll see that it's mentioned not only in works by Lovecraft, but also by Clark Ashton Smith, August Dereleth, Stephen King, and (humorously) in the bibliography of a book by Michael Crichton.  With reference in so many works, and an iconic "mystique" surrounding the book, it seems appropriate to give it an entry.  It even has an attributive use as the etymological origin of the Necrotelecomnicon (book of talking to the dead) used in the Discworld books of Terry Pratchett.  Other fictional works mentioned by Lovecraft (such as the Pnakotic Manuscripts) have not lived on in the imagination the same way as the Necronomicon has.  Given time, I could assemble an armada of quotations, but I think its widespread use speaks volumes. (sorry) --EncycloPetey 19:58, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

 * In terms of a fictional reference, it's not up to Humpty Dumpty, Pinocchio, or Quasimodo, all of which do not have entries and certainly deserve them far more. The search results showing it used as an adjective as necronomiconic, however, are impressive, though lacking the widespread use of narf (Tea_room), which is also being refused an entry.--Halliburton Shill 20:09, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Keep wide use in horror litrature.--Williamsayers79 20:14, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, per use in Army of Darkness. bd2412 T 16:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

The article has three cites (thanks, Kappa), but there doesn't seem to be consensus about exactly what kind of cites are needed for an entry of this type; therefore, I'm moving this to RFD. —Ruakh TALK 05:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

 * rfvpassed attributive use etc is a separate matter Cynewulf 19:00, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Necronomicon

 * Note: the below is copied from Requests for verification.

A specific fictional book title from a novel. No generic or attributive use given. Dmcdevit·t 07:42, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Does the Simpsons count? Kappa 08:03, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 2002 Simpsons episode Brawl In The Family
 * and now Bob Dole will read from the Necronomicon.
 * I think the Simpsons counts, but what meaning does that use of the term convey? Anything beyond just mentioning the name? Dmcdevit·t 08:08, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Isn't this a rather iconic book pertaining to the black arts? The mere mention of which conjures up certain feelings and connotations. I'd say it's more than just a name. __meco 08:40, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not the point: it very well may be, but it sounds like you are looking for an encyclopedia article. If the mere mention of it conjures up anything at all other than the fictional book invented by Lovecraft, then the definition should reflect that with citations. Dmcdevit·t 08:48, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree because we're talking about a proper noun. Just because mention of the word Paris conjures up an imagery of bagettes, cafes, art, and fashion does not mean we shouldn't list it as "the capital city of France". Just because the word Versailles conjures up an image of grandeur does not mean that makes a good definition of the word (though that ought to be mentioned).  Proper nouns are specific objects and must be defined as such.  The Necronomicon is a specific book (albeit fictional) and should be defined as such.  The Usage Notes may express additional conntations as needed.  --EncycloPetey 20:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * This cite is good . It shows a sense different from the current one where the word is used generically to denote something other than the fictional book itself, but presumably something sinister and mysterious. The definition should correspond to that sense (if it can be corroborated with other citations). Dmcdevit·t 08:48, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The meaning being conveyed in the Simpsons is "an evil book". Kappa 09:08, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That's a connotation, though, not a definition. I don't see this as a separate definition, just a reference to the same arcane book invented by Lovecraft and referenced/mentioned by numerous other authors. --EncycloPetey 17:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Since the book is fictional, it has no specific content associated with it. Its mention is intended to bring in an antiquity, weight, and horror that the name carries in connotation from other stories.  It turns up in stories by varied authors who usually mention it, possibly describing its cover or history, but never giving the contents.  It really ranks more as a word used to conjure up a sense of ancient evil and the supernatural rather than to identify a particular object.  If you do look at the Wikipedia article on the Necronomicon, you'll see that it's mentioned not only in works by Lovecraft, but also by Clark Ashton Smith, August Dereleth, Stephen King, and (humorously) in the bibliography of a book by Michael Crichton.  With reference in so many works, and an iconic "mystique" surrounding the book, it seems appropriate to give it an entry.  It even has an attributive use as the etymological origin of the Necrotelecomnicon (book of talking to the dead) used in the Discworld books of Terry Pratchett.  Other fictional works mentioned by Lovecraft (such as the Pnakotic Manuscripts) have not lived on in the imagination the same way as the Necronomicon has.  Given time, I could assemble an armada of quotations, but I think its widespread use speaks volumes. (sorry) --EncycloPetey 19:58, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

 * In terms of a fictional reference, it's not up to Humpty Dumpty, Pinocchio, or Quasimodo, all of which do not have entries and certainly deserve them far more. The search results showing it used as an adjective as necronomiconic, however, are impressive, though lacking the widespread use of narf (Tea_room), which is also being refused an entry.--Halliburton Shill 20:09, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Keep wide use in horror litrature.--Williamsayers79 20:14, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, per use in Army of Darkness. bd2412 T 16:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

The article has three cites (thanks, Kappa), but there doesn't seem to be consensus about exactly what kind of cites are needed for an entry of this type; therefore, I'm moving this to RFD. —Ruakh TALK 05:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The fact that the book is fictional is irrelevant. There are famous texts from antiquity (now lost) whose contents are the subject of speculation, but whose existence at some time in the past is certain.  The dividing line between such a book and the Necronomicon is very fuzzy.  There are plenty of fictional places, people, and things that we would accept as entries, so I fail to see why there is a problem with this one, especially since we have three votes to keep and three independent citations.  If I had access to a copy of the Stephen King short story Gramma (published in the Skeleton Crew collection), I could check for another citation there as I seem to recall one there. --EncycloPetey 06:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Keep, as per EncycloPetey. \Mike 07:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Keep --Williamsayers79 23:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Delete, proper noun with no indication of attributive use. Of great encyclopedic interest, but does not seem to be used in language to refer to anything but itself.  It's used to set atmosphere, sure, but so are lots of other literary works (and fictional literary works) that we don't and shouldn't have entries for: The Great Gatsby, The Princess Bride, The Prince.  Do not see what distinguishes this from cases such as  below.  -- Visviva 16:54, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I don't follow your reasoning and here's why:
 * (1) "No indication of attributive use" -- Please see the citations on the entry itself, which include an attributive use. I have expanded that citation for additional context.
 * (2) "Does not seem to be used in language to refer to anything but itself" -- you mean like Moon, Athens, Central Europe, Union Jack and other proper nouns. "Referring only to itself" is a general trait common to all proper nouns, and therefore not a reason to exclude an entry.  We're not likely to exclude all proper nouns from Wiktionary.
 * (3) "So are lots of other literary works...that we don't and shouldn't have entries for" -- but there are literary works for which we do and should have entries for, such as the Koran, I Ching, and Iliad. So that fact that there are some we don't have does not mean we shouldn't have this one.
 * (4) "Do not see what distinguishes this from Pigpen" -- Pigpen is a particular character featured in one person's works; we have no evidence yet of any appearance elsewhere. By contrast, the Necronomicon features or appears in a wide array of literary works, films, and television programs written by multiple authors spanning nearly a century.
 * --EncycloPetey 17:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

 * This is interesting... :-)
 * (1) Not to split hairs, but I would have called that a generic rather than attributive use, and one which suggests that an entry for the generic sense should be at necronomicon instead. However,
 * (1a) This inspired me to try "a Necronomicon" on Gbooks, which turns up an adequate number of uses of "Necronomicon" to describe something more general than Lovecraft's invention. So I will now agree with the consensus to keep -- although I still find this consensus rather puzzling in light of the pitched battles being fought over other invented nouns (brand names, fictional characters, et al.).
 * (2) We have a de facto convention for major place names, and I would argue that Union Jack is not really a proper noun in the usual sense (although it would probably merit inclusion anyway).
 * (3) Certainly the titles of some literary works merit inclusion. But most do not, regardless of the number of times they are mentioned offhandedly in other works.  For this line of thinking to make sense to me,  I need some indication of what standard the Necronomicon meets that The Great Gatsby does not.
 * (4) In both cases, the name is frequently followed by a contextualization -- at least that was the impression I got while searching for attributive/non-literal uses in both cases. For example:
 * " Dear Professor: We are in receipt of your letter of August 29th, requesting information on the availability of the Necronomicon of Abdul Alhazred on interlibrary loan."
 * -- Lin Carter, The Xothic Legend Cycle
 * "Other elements of the Mythos—an entire library of mythical books of occult lore, chief among them the Necronomicon of Abdul Alhazred; ..."
 * -- S.T. Joshi, Ramsey Campbell and Modern Horror Fiction
 * "I picture a scenario somewhat like Pigpen, from the Peanuts cartoon; when he takes a step, the dust falls around him in little gritty clouds.
 * -- Michele Morgan, A Magical Course in Tarot
 * " I scuttled to the basement for a smoke. I felt like Pigpen in a Charlie Brown cartoon—engulfed in a nasty cloud of odor."
 * -- Jean Flora Glick, Holy Smokes
 * In both cases it is possible to find cases where the term appears (or seems to appear) without explanation, but nonetheless the term seemed to be principally encyclopedic. I am now persuaded otherwise; "Necronomicon" is clearly used to refer to things other than its original encyclopedic referent. (I do think the entry should center on this broader "tome of dark knowledge" sense, rather than the original Lovecraftian use). -- Visviva 00:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * (3) The Necronomicon appears as an object in fictional works through a genre of modern literature (horror); it is a mythical object like a modern Grail, Excalibur, Golden Fleece, or Pandora's box. While it does not have the status of age that these other mythical objects do, it does strongly affect the lives of people in the tales where it appears and thus carries a mythic quality as an object. The Great Gatsby has no such usage. --EncycloPetey 05:10, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Keep, as per Necronomicon_Press, Wikinomicon Mutante 17:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Use in company or project names doesn't seem relevant here. -- Visviva 00:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

 *  Delete or re-RFV. Presumably, transcripts of the television shows can be found somewhere.  I personally am not willing to hunt them down.  My first objection to using them, is that they cannot be verified.  The exact spelling/capitalization can contain errors that aren't editorially reviewed, as the spoken voice won't convey that distinction.  For Wiktionary verification purposes, it would be much better to avoid such sources entirely.  While it is rational to presume that anything broadcast to the general public over public airwaves is implicitly released to the public domain, the US Copyright laws obviously don't agree.  I don't know of any television transcripts released before 1928 (is that still the copyright cutoff we use?) so any such texts will have copyright issues to overcome.  Unlike books, where the text is widely available, the TV transcripts normally are not available to the public.  Even when transcripts can be found, they usually do not originate from the authors.  More often, they are glommed from "Close Captioned" extracts and reposted without permission.  I do not see any reason to encourage the use of TV transcripts as citation material.  But I do see compelling reasons to avoid them.  --Connel MacKenzie 17:26, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, Connel. Is your opinon predicated solely on the fact that TV citations are being used?  You aren't swayed by the fact that print citations also exist? --EncycloPetey 17:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I had read the summary of why it was moved to RFD and misinterpreted that to mean that it was the TV citations in dispute. So, keep generic entry at necronomicon, delete Necronomicon.  --Connel MacKenzie 01:10, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Keep. Well cited, from books, and easily attributed. sewnmouthsecret 17:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Kept per the above support. Already cited (and ours is fair use). There may be arguments about the capitalization. I haven't looked into whether the entry would need to be moved or even split. DAVilla 04:02, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

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apple-pie
The hyphenated form is an adjective only, not the noun apple pie, right? --Connel MacKenzie 17:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That's the usual pattern for these compounds. Space in the middle is a noun, hyphen in the middle is an adjective. --EncycloPetey 17:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think "apple-pie" can be used an adjective. Both compound nouns and compound adjectives are often written with a hyphen when used attributively, and with a space in other cases; hence "a man who is well liked" = "a well-liked man", "a slice of apple pie" = "an apple-pie slice", etc. (This depends on the writer, though, and in my experience scholarly works are often averse to hyphenating such compounds in any context.) —RuakhTALK 19:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The OED (which often takes a cavalier attitude to spaces and hyphens) has apple-pie as headword for the noun. But it gives quotations both with hyphens and as two words. It gives an adjective meaning as "embodying traditional values . . ." and has apple-pie Amerian, apple-pie bed and apple-pie order. SemperBlotto 07:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm marking this RFV passed — clearly widespread use, but if you're not satisfied, re-RFV it and I'll add cites. (b.g.c. is overflowing with them.) —Ruakh TALK 07:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

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made in Italy
Stuff made in Italy, surely? --Keene 19:10, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

 * It seems to have an extended sense; one b.g.c. hit says, "[…] whose outcome, […], was to form the basis for what much later would be identified as the ‘Italian style’ and the ‘made in Italy.’", and another uses the term "the ‘made in Italy’ sectors" with the gloss "textiles and clothing". I don't think the literal senses warrant inclusion, though. —RuakhTALK 19:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the RFV tag, as this is actually an Italian entry, which we seem to have missed? I certainly did, anyway; if you realized that it was an Italian entry, and were nonetheless requesting verification, then by all means, restore the request. —Ruakh TALK 07:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

 * rfvpassed for Italian Cynewulf 19:03, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

made in Italy
Passed RFV with only two citations. Made in China and made in Japan both claim to claim to have non-SOP definitions in addition to their SOP ones, but this doesn't. — Beobach 22:00, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The RFV nomination was in error: see talk:made in Italy. Note that this is an Italian term, so not SOP. Keep if real. —msh210℠ (talk) 22:02, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ...which, I should add, I have no reason to doubt. —msh210℠ (talk) 17:42, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - as in talk page. SemperBlotto 07:02, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep if real per msh210. Mglovesfun (talk) 08:12, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Keep as I have no reason to doubt this phrase is used in Italian. I know for a fact made in Germany is used as a phrase in German, so this seems eminently plausible. —Angr 20:23, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

 * delete. I'd consider such terms as English embedded in a foreign language, as happens so many times in the modern world. This doesn't make them inclusible at all. -- Liliana • 22:38, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Depends where you draw the line. I don't think we'd want to delete the English sections of in vitro: or crème brûlée:. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:14, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

kept -- Liliana • 00:14, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, because it's not used only on labels, it's also used as an adjective. made in France is also used in French. Many English entries exist for foreign words embedded in English, and it's quite normal. But adding the pronunciation used in Italian would make the entry much more useful. Lmaltier 07:18, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * delete and redirect-made in china is a staple, so is made in the u.s.a., for everything else redirect to made in- or made in X however this is standardizzzedAcdcrocks 19:00, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * We don't redirect between languages. This is an Italian term. SemperBlotto 19:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep : It seems quite similar to the Japanese phrase メイド・イン・ジャパン (meido in Japan), which is distinguished from 日本製 (Nihonsei). The former is a popular term back in the ’80s meaning products made in Japan and accepted favorably in the world, while the latter just means made in Japan. — T AKASUGI Shinji (talk) 07:45, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:made in Italy


text: lipeät

title: lipeät


text:
Talk:ngentot

ngentot
Anyone have an Indonesian reference? --Connel MacKenzie 23:44, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Google Books does. --Ptcamn 04:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

 * rfvpassed Cynewulf 19:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

slang word
Hey, its not official word. It just Indonesian slang words! Azmi1995 12:23, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This is official word Azmi1995 12:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

title: Talk:ngentot


text: maireat

title: maireat


text:
Talk:eulogy

eulogy
The second sense definition currently reads: "High praise or commendation." Shouldn't there be an element referring to the medium? I would think that a reference such as "oration" given for the first definition should be given to the form or medium of the expression. __meco 06:42, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

 * rfvpassed widespread use Cynewulf 19:08, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

title: Talk:eulogy


text:
Talk:sin bin

sin bin
(from January)

Despite my complaining that nothing should ever be tagged "Sum of parts", this is sum of parts (and not an idiom, and not attested.) --Connel MacKenzie 19:46, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Sum of parts? Surely not. To me, a bin is something like the graphic to the right of the RFV notice (or perhaps the one at bin); or occasionally something holding nails at a hardware store, or coal or logs outside a house. I've never seen a player put in any of those.  And nor have I seen a sin put in one. --Eng in ear 21:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I think this came from Big Brother (maybe that just popularized it?), although it sees use in sports (hockey) Sin bin. I thought we'd discussed this before somewhere? Seems familiar. Robert Ullmann 22:56, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, absolutely unguessable from parts. Kappa 02:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, definitely idiomatic as a sporting phrase. Jonathan Webley 20:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Keep. I've used this term for the last 30 years. It is in common use, and I have even heard it used in a non-sporting usage on a UK game show as a place where players go when they get a question wrong. (Can't remember name of show).--Dmol 19:05, 4 February 2007 (UTC) (PS, later heard is again, the show was "Take It or Leave It".--Dmol 16:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Keep Not the sum of its parts (a bin for throwing sins into?), but definitely idiomatic, and in existence when Big Brother was still in nappies/diapers. — Paul G 16:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

So, is anyone going to try to cite this? (The sum-of-parts question may have been addressed, but Connel MacKenzie complained also about the lack of attestation, which can only be addressed by adding cites.) RFV period extended so that, assuming Connel doesn't withdraw his RFV, one of the six of you supporting this phrase can add cites. —RuakhTALK 05:46, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Isn't there a "clearly widespread use" clause? Kappa 00:23, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

 * There is, but since I've never heard this term (and since Connel described it as "not attested", suggesting that he hasn't either), I don't see that that clause applies. If it's so clear that this term is in widespread use, why not provide cites for it? —RuakhTALK 01:10, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Incidently, I have found a number of citations that indicate that this word has another sense. See, for example,
 * 2000: a review by Sally Ledger of Susan Zlotnick's Women, Writing, and the Industrial Revolution, published in Nineteenth-Century Literature, volume 55, № 1, June 2000
 * In her eagerness to heap all middle-class male writers into one large ideological sin bin, Zlotnick presents an account that is, to put it mildly,  ...
 * and
 * 1996: a review by Aidan Campbell of Edwin N. Wilmsen and Patrick McAllister's The Politics of Difference: Ethnic Premises in a World of Power, published in The Journal of Modern African Studies, volume 34, № 4, December 1996
 * In April 1993, most of the West's political institutions were following the East's into the sin-bin if not the dustbin of history.
 * — Beobach972 02:23, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

 * and
 * 1999: Malcolm Potts, Ever Since Adam and Eve: The Evolution of Human Sexuality
 * ... to the earlier appearance of sexual drives, contemporary adolescents have greater wealth and mobility than their parents, calling their car a ‘sin bin’.
 * — Beobach972 02:27, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

As for the debated sense, I found this, but GB doesn't seem to be working for me at the moment, as it suggests two different titles and three authors (so you'll have to figure out what the correct way to cite this is) :
 * 2005: Rachel K. Gibson or Janet Evanovich or Alexandra Barnaby, The Trouble With Valentine's Day or Metro Girl
 * Rob received a minor penalty, and as he served out his three minutes kicking back in the sin bin, Chinook's sniper, Pierre Dion, shot from the point.
 * That seems to indicate a sporting sense for sniper. — Beobach972 02:23, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

 * This may be a figurative usage of the given sense :
 * 1999: Brian Moynahan, Rasputin: The Saint Who Sinned
 * It was hardly a concession. for he regarded Siberia as his sin bin, a place to take to when a cooling-off period was needed.
 * — Beobach972 02:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I have added a cite as above for the disputed sense, but have also added and cited a figurative sense as suggested above. This is hard to define, so please amend as you see fit. Also added 3rd sense, Australian slang for a panel van with a bed fitted. They were common in the 1970s and popular with surfers.--Dmol 18:59, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Ehm, I'm amused that you added the citation sic, just as it was, with the ambiguity of the author and all. Also, that wasn't the figurative sense I had in mind, but it's also good (if you feel that it should be a seperate definition and not just a figurative use of the first definition). I was thinking of the closer-to-literal
 * 'hell, place for corrupt entities', suggested in
 * 1996: a review by Aidan Campbell of Edwin N. Wilmsen and Patrick McAllister's The Politics of Difference: Ethnic Premises in a World of Power, published in The Journal of Modern African Studies, volume 34, № 4, December 1996
 * In April 1993, most of the West's political institutions were following the East's into the sin-bin if not the dustbin of history.
 * and 'place, which implies that its denizens are evil', suggested in
 * 2000: a review by Sally Ledger of Susan Zlotnick's Women, Writing, and the Industrial Revolution, published in Nineteenth-Century Literature, volume 55, № 1, June 2000
 * In her eagerness to heap all middle-class male writers into one large ideological sin bin, Zlotnick presents an account that is, to put it mildly,  ...
 * and also (this, it could be argued, is literal/unidiomatic) 'place to commit acts that contradict current standards of decency or morality', suggested in
 * 1999: Malcolm Potts, Ever Since Adam and Eve: The Evolution of Human Sexuality
 * ... to the earlier appearance of sexual drives, contemporary adolescents have greater wealth and mobility than their parents, calling their car a ‘sin bin’.
 * In particular I was thinking of the second one (‘place, which implies that its denizens are evil’), but I wasn't quite sure how that should be defined... or if it truly had that definition or was simply a curious use of the penalty box definition... is my given definition alright? — Beobach972 05:07, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Delete, I agree on "sum of parts". All the defs are figurative and easly guessable knowing the meaning of sin and bin and the context it's used in.  Moreover, there is virtually an unlimited number of other figurative uses.  For heads of governments and organizations, it could be their private chambers.  It could be a satiric way of referring to a church's confessional.  For a janitor, it could be the closet.  It's not difficult to apply or figure out.  "After all that popcorn and soda, I need a trip to the sin bin." - From the short story collection sin bin by Halliburton Shill, Wiktionary: Requests for verification, 2007.05.28--Halliburton Shill 03:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Since this discussion seems to have transmogrified itself from an RFV to an RFD, keep. Verifiably in use, and it rhymes (woo-hoo). bd2412 T 03:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

 * As an RFD, this is a speedy keep, as “a bin is something like the graphic to the right of the RFV notice (or perhaps the one at bin); or occasionally something holding nails at a hardware store, or coal or logs outside a house” as Eng in ear says, and you don't put players or sins in those. — Beobach972 03:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sum-of-parts is a poor rationale for deletion anyway; as has been pointed out, we consider idiomaticity. — Beobach972 03:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

 * It's not idiom. How is the concept of putting sins (or the sinners) into a container not simple metaphor?  The rhyme seems to have some of you dazed and lost in the wrong bong.--Halliburton Shill 04:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * But... but... but it rhymes! Seriously, it's catchy enough that someone might hear it and look it up. bd2412 T 06:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Sin:
 * 1. (theology) A violation of a moral or religious law; an error.
 * 2. A misdeed.
 * Bin:
 * 1. A container used for storage.
 * 2. A container for rubbish or waste.
 * hence, sin bin:
 * 1. literally, ‘a violation of a moral or religious law-container’
 * 2. ‘a container that violates moral laws’
 * 3. ‘a container for storing violations of moral laws’
 * How does one understand the definition (‘an area, physical or abstract, in sports for those who have committed fouls’) from that? How does one understand that it refers to sports at all? If this was the sum of its parts, wouldn't one assume that players who were ‘put into the sin bin’ had committed adultery or eaten beef or some such? — Beobach972 20:18, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree with Beobach972 on this one, although I don't see the point in voting to "keep" when this is an RFV. I have added some citations for the sporting sense accordingly.  RobbieG 16:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

 * rfvpassed Cynewulf 19:12, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

title: Talk:sin bin


text: makeat

title: makeat


text: muheat

title: muheat


text: muhkeat

title: muhkeat


text: muikeat

title: muikeat


text: mureat

title: mureat


text:
Talk:murram

murram
Any takers? Needs severe cleanup. SemperBlotto 18:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Cleaned up and cited, though it seems (going by the cites) that "murram" and "laterite" are not actually perfectly synonymous. —RuakhTALK 21:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

 * rfvpassed Cynewulf 19:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

title: Talk:murram


text: möreät

title: möreät


text: möyheät

title: möyheät


text: nahkeat

title: nahkeat


text: nihkeät

title: nihkeät


text:
pitot head

Noun

 * 1)  A pitot tube.

title: pitot head


text: notkeat

title: notkeat


text: nuorteat

title: nuorteat


text: nureat

title: nureat


text: nyreät

title: nyreät


text: nyrpeät

title: nyrpeät


text: oikeat

title: oikeat


text: pehmeät

title: pehmeät


text: penseät

title: penseät


text: pirteät

title: pirteät


text: piukeat

title: piukeat


text: polleat

title: polleat


text: prameat

title: prameat


text: puikeat

title: puikeat


text: pulleat

title: pulleat


text: pyöreät

title: pyöreät


text: pörheät

title: pörheät


text: pöyheät

title: pöyheät


text: pöyhkeät

title: pöyhkeät


text: öljyiset

title: öljyiset


text:
bekhend

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  backhand

title: bekhend


text: Category:Portuguese palindromes

title: Category:Portuguese palindromes


text: Category:Romanian palindromes

title: Category:Romanian palindromes


text: Category:Norwegian palindromes

title: Category:Norwegian palindromes


text:
forhend

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) forehand

title: forhend


text:
bajt

Noun

 * 1) byte

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  byte

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) byte

Noun

 * 1) byte

title: bajt


text: Category:Catalan palindromes

title: Category:Catalan palindromes


text: Category:Crimean Tatar palindromes

title: Category:Crimean Tatar palindromes


text: Category:Dutch palindromes

title: Category:Dutch palindromes


text: Category:Old High German palindromes

title: Category:Old High German palindromes


text: forehands

title: forehands


text:
džambo

Etymology
.

Adjective

 * 1) jumbo

title: džambo


text:
džemper

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) jumper woolen sweater

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) jumper woolen sweater

title: džemper


text:
džentlmen

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) gentleman

title: džentlmen


text: Category:Amanab palindromes

title: Category:Amanab palindromes


text: Category:Danish palindromes

title: Category:Danish palindromes


text: Category:Maltese palindromes

title: Category:Maltese palindromes


text: Category:Romansch palindromes

title: Category:Romansch palindromes


text: Category:Swedish palindromes

title: Category:Swedish palindromes


text: Category:mt:Berries

title: Category:mt:Berries


text:
džet

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) jet airplane class

title: džet


text:
džetset

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) jet set

title: džetset


text:
džet set

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) jet set

title: džet set


text: Category:cy:Language

title: Category:cy:Language


text: Category:cy:Communication

title: Category:cy:Communication


text:
džiju džicu

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) jujitsu

title: džiju džicu


text:
džingl

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  jingle a short melody dividing parts of TV or radio broadcasting, often before or after a commercial break

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) jingle

title: džingl


text:
džins

Etymology
.

Noun
(uninflected)

 * 1)  jeans
 * 2)  denim

title: džins


text:
džip

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) jeep

title: džip


text: Category:Romani palindromes

title: Category:Romani palindromes


text:
džoging

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) jogging

title: džoging


text:
džoger

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) jogger

title: džoger


text:
μπάρμπα-Σαμ

Proper noun

 * 1) Uncle Sam

title: μπάρμπα-Σαμ


text:
džojstik

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) joystick

title: džojstik


text: Category:Old English palindromes

title: Category:Old English palindromes


text:
džokej

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) jockey

title: džokej


text:
džoker

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) joker playing card

title: džoker


text:
džuboks

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) jukebox

title: džuboks


text:
džudo

Noun

 * 1) judo

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) judo

Etymology
, from.

Noun

 * 1) judo

title: džudo


text:
džul

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) joule

title: džul


text:
džus

Etymology
..

Noun

 * 1) juice

Etymology
..

Noun

 * 1) orange juice

title: džus


text:
korner

Etymology
From, from , from , from , from , from , plural of.

Noun

 * 1) a corner

Verb

 * 1) to corner; to drive (someone) into a corner or other confined space
 * 2) to trap in a position of great difficulty or hopeless embarrassment

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  corner kick
 * 2)  joint monopoly by agreement between traders

title: korner


text:
menadžer

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) manager

title: menadžer


text:
menedžer

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) manager

title: menedžer


text: Category:Spanish palindromes

title: Category:Spanish palindromes


text:
zaleđe

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) support
 * 2) hinterland
 * 3) background
 * 4)  offside

title: zaleđe


text:
covener

Noun

 * 1) A member of a coven.

Translations

 * Spanish: miembro del aquelarre,

title: covener


text:
šejl

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) shale

title: šejl


text:
coveners

Noun

 * 1) . Members of a coven.

title: coveners


text:
tefra

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) tephra

title: tefra


text:
tuf

Noun

 * 1) foul odor, stench
 * 2)  tuff

Etymology 1
.

Noun

 * 1) tuff, tufa porous volcanic rock

Etymology 2
Perhaps from.

Noun

 * 1)  car, automobile

Noun

 * 1)  tuff

Noun

 * 1) sultry weather

Noun

 * 1)  tuff

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) tuff

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) tuff, tufa

Verb

 * 1) to spit

title: tuf


text:
breča

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) breccia

title: breča


text: Category:Czech palindromes

title: Category:Czech palindromes


text:
man tit

Noun

 * 1)  Gynecomastia, large or womanly breasts on a male.

title: man tit


text: Category:Icelandic palindromes

title: Category:Icelandic palindromes


text:
dajk

Etymology
Phonetic transcription of.

Noun

 * 1)  dike

title: dajk


text: Category:Polish palindromes

title: Category:Polish palindromes


text: Category:Scottish Gaelic palindromes

title: Category:Scottish Gaelic palindromes


text: man boobs

title: man boobs


text: rarere

title: rarere


text: raarst

title: raarst


text: raarste

title: raarste


text:
stejdž

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) stage raised area

title: stejdž


text: man tits

title: man tits


text:
hostesa

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) hostess

title: hostesa


text:
snowblind

Adjective

 * 1) Affected by snow blindness; temporarily blinded by light reflected off snow.

title: snowblind


text: expats

title: expats


text:
Basel problem

Etymology
Named after Basel, the home town of Euler and of the Bernoulli family who unsuccessfully attacked the problem.

Proper noun

 * 1)  The question as to the value of $$\sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac1{n^2}$$, the sum of the reciprocals of the squares of the positive integers.

title: Basel problem


text:
Riemann zeta function

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  The function ζ defined by the Dirichlet series $$\textstyle \zeta(s)=\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac 1 {n^s} = \frac1{1^s} + \frac1{2^s} + \frac1{3^s} + \frac1{4^s} + \cdots$$, which is summable for points s in the complex half-plane with real part > 1; the analytic continuation of said function, being a holomorphic function defined on the complex numbers with pole at 1.
 * 2) * 2009, Arthur T. Benjamin, Ezra Brown (editors), Biscuits of Number Theory,, page 195,
 * The Riemann zeta function is the function $$\textstyle \zeta(s)=\sum_{n=1}^\infty n^{-s}$$ for $$s$$ a complex number whose real part is greater than 1.The historical moments include Euler's proof that there are infinitely many primes, in which he proves
 * $$\zeta(s)=\prod_{p\text{ prime}} \left (1-\frac 1 {p^s}\right )^{-1}$$
 * as well as Riemann's statement of his hypothesis and several others. Beineke and Hughes then define the moment of the modulus of the Riemann zeta function by
 * $$I_k(T)=\frac 1 T \int_0^\infty \left\vert\zeta\left ( \frac 1 2 + it\right )\right\vert^{2k}dt$$
 * and take us through the work of several mathematicians on properties of the second and fourth moments.
 * 1)  A usage of (a specified value of) the Riemann zeta function, such as in an equation.
 * 2) * 2005, Jay Jorgenson, Serge Lang, Posn(R) and Eisenstein Series, Springer, 1868, page 134,
 * When the eigenfunctions are characters, these eigenvalues are respectively polynomials, products of ordinary gamma functions, and products of Riemann zeta functions, with the appropriate complex variables.
 * 1) * 2005, Jay Jorgenson, Serge Lang, Posn(R) and Eisenstein Series, Springer, 1868, page 134,
 * When the eigenfunctions are characters, these eigenvalues are respectively polynomials, products of ordinary gamma functions, and products of Riemann zeta functions, with the appropriate complex variables.

Usage notes

 * The Riemann zeta function and generalizations comprise an important subject of research in.
 * There are numerous analogues to the Riemann zeta function: such a one may be referred to as a, and some are given names of the form X zeta function. Many, but not all functions so named are generalizations of the Riemann zeta function. (See )
 * The Riemann zeta function is used in physics (such as in the theory of heat kernels and wave propagation), apparently for reasons more to do with the function's behavior than any approximation of reality.

Translations

 * Dutch: Riemann-zeta-functie
 * German: riemannsche ζ-Funktion
 * Italian: funzione zeta di Riemann
 * Spanish: función zeta de Riemann
 * Turkish: Riemann zeta fonksiyonu

title: Riemann zeta function


text:
yaup

Adjective

 * 1)  hungry

Verb

 * 1)  To be hungry.

title: yaup


text:
sacchetto

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * : small bag
 * 1) small amount

title: sacchetto


text:
salomone

Noun

 * 1) a wise person, especially a wise judge

title: salomone


text:
下來

Verb

 * 1) to come down
 * 2)  down toward oneself, or figuratively
 * 1)  down toward oneself, or figuratively

title: 下來


text: 下来

title: 下来


text:
salone

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) sitting room, living room, lounge
 * 2) reception room
 * 3) saloon
 * 4) show, exhibition
 * 5) salon

title: salone


text:
saltafossi

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) a kind of two-wheeled gig
 * 2) a gadabout

title: saltafossi


text:
落來

Verb

 * 1)  to come down
 * 2)  down
 * 3)  to come in; to enter
 * 1)  to come in; to enter

Conjunction

 * 1)  then; next; after that

title: 落來


text: 落来

title: 落来


text:
Wiktionary:Requested entries (Thai)

for basic Thai words that need entries

ก

 * - friendly?
 * - a traditional Thai style of coffee
 * - friendly?
 * - a traditional Thai style of coffee
 * - a traditional Thai style of coffee
 * - a traditional Thai style of coffee
 * - a traditional Thai style of coffee

ข

 * - riceberry, a new variety of rice

ฃ

 * Note: This letter is obsolete. You might find its spellings only in ancient documents. Do not confuse it with ซ (s).

ค

 * - a certain plant or flower?
 * Cardiospermum halicacabum, said by official dictionary. Also called กระออม. --Octahedron80 (talk) 06:32, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * - palm leaf manuscript
 * - favour, favor
 * - it's in thwiktionary, SEAlang, and thai-language.com
 * - it's in thwiktionary, SEAlang, and thai-language.com
 * - a fruit
 * - it's in thwiktionary, SEAlang, and thai-language.com
 * - a fruit

ฅ

 * Note: This letter is obsolete. You might find its spellings only in ancient documents. Do not confuse it with ต (t).

จ

 * - border crossing, border checkpoint, borderpost
 * - a spicy dip from Isaan? - it's in thai-dictionary.com
 * - it's in Thai Wiktionary
 * - it's in Thai Wiktionary
 * - it's in Thai Wiktionary

ช

 * - too, also
 * - dress?

ฌ

 * Note: Very few words begin with this letter.

ฎ

 * Note: Very few words begin with this letter.

ฏ

 * Note: No word nowadays begins with this letter.

ฑ

 * Note: Very few words begin with this letter.

ฒ

 * Note: Very few words begin with this letter.

ณ

 * Note: Very few words begin with this letter.

ด

 * - a category of Thai lesbian

ต

 * - haircut? or only cut hair?
 * - centre/center?
 * - ancient form of muay Thai?
 * It is colloquial SOP ต่อย+มวย "to box (the boxing)". Not the keyword of Muay Thai. --Octahedron80 (talk) 00:51, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * - ancient form of muay Thai?
 * It is colloquial SOP ต่อย+มวย "to box (the boxing)". Not the keyword of Muay Thai. --Octahedron80 (talk) 00:51, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

ถ

 * - next?
 * - Thai type of coffee filter, notable used for

ท

 * - that, which sense(s)?

น

 * - jerky?
 * - jerky? literally "heavenly beef"
 * - lori, a type of parrot? Also some type of fish?
 * - a type of dance

บ

 * - something?
 * - comparable with Lao
 * - a synonym for ? it's in Thai Wiktionary

ป

 * - armband worn by Muay Thai fighters
 * - a free reed pipe used by the Lanna people of northern Thailand
 * - to spin cotton thread?
 * - a food
 * - literally "where are you going?" but used as a common greeting. It's is SEAlang and thai-language.com
 * - literally "where are you going?" but used as a common greeting. It's is SEAlang and thai-language.com

ผ

 * - a type of spicy stir-fry
 * - a type of spicy stir-fry
 * - a type of spicy stir-fry

ฝ

 * - sun shower. Not sure it qualifies as a word or phrase though. It's not in thai-language.com but it's used around the internet.
 * - However, ฝว cannot be pronounced. So it just be read ไฝ้. --Octahedron80 (talk) 03:47, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

พ

 * - folded sa paper?
 * - cayenne pepper?
 * พริกขี้หนูสวน is more likely the Capsicum frutescens, which is closely related to (but smaller than) bird's eye chili/พริกขี้หนู. — Nvtj (talk) 12:49, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * - thunderstorm
 * - cognate with Lao
 * - to examine closely

ม

 * - burst according to google translate, might just mean 'to be destroyed' though
 * - even?
 * - when? whenever?
 * - mansion, but in the Japanese sense rather than the current English sense
 * - as in คริสตจักร แห่ง พระเจ้า ผู้ ทรง มหิทธิ ฤทธิ์ (Thai for The Church of Almighty God)
 * - mansion, but in the Japanese sense rather than the current English sense
 * - as in คริสตจักร แห่ง พระเจ้า ผู้ ทรง มหิทธิ ฤทธิ์ (Thai for The Church of Almighty God)

ย

 * - one of the former names of
 * - a dish also called "pink noodles". from

ร

 * (I think the correct spelling is . —Stephen (Talk) 21:49, 24 May 2015 (UTC))
 * It is printed on a dictionary by RI for some time I think. --Octahedron80 (talk) 15:18, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * (ro-tī-sāy-mai)

ฤ

 * Note: Very few words begin with this letter.

ล

 * - a kind of monkey
 * - Rubik's cube
 * - military form of muay Thai?
 * It seems to be a person name or surname. Nothing in common sense. --Octahedron80 (talk) 00:46, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It seems to be a person name or surname. Nothing in common sense. --Octahedron80 (talk) 00:46, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

ฦ

 * Note: This letter is obsolete. You might find its spellings only in ancient documents. Do not confuse it with ภ (ph) or ฤ (rue)

ษ

 * Note: Very few words begin with this letter.

ส

 * (don’t know of any separate meaning for this. It ends in a silent "d", so maybe it’s a borrowing from Pali)
 * Does it occur as part of other words? Could it be a suffix? — hippietrail 06:27, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sòok is from Pali सुख, sukha, so, remembering that สันต์ = -san[d], you might find something at http://vedabase.net/s/sukha —Stephen 06:54, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * - moment?
 * - perfect?
 * "Perfect" could only be called สมบูรณ์. แบบ is another word for "model, style, way, form, pattern". So สมบูรณ์แบบ is SOP. --Octahedron80 (talk) 00:54, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * สแกมเมอร์ - scammer? get's less than 100 Google hits but we also have no other Thai word for this so far
 * We use มิจฉาชีพ for all kind of fraudster. --Octahedron80 (talk) 03:03, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * - a type of fish
 * - to adventure?
 * - bidet shower - this is the main term in Thai Wikipedia and is in thai-language.com - contrariwise, our term is in neither
 * - to adventure?
 * - bidet shower - this is the main term in Thai Wikipedia and is in thai-language.com - contrariwise, our term is in neither
 * - bidet shower - this is the main term in Thai Wikipedia and is in thai-language.com - contrariwise, our term is in neither

ห

 * -- seems to be interchangeable with and  - might it even be a typo?
 *
 * หรอ often found in chat message, but rarely heard one say 'rɔ̌ɔ'. So this must be the corruption of หรือ or เหรอ. I also found and  that are considered as the same case. However, หรอ, หลอ and เหลอ already have their different meanings in dictionary. --Octahedron80 (talk) 07:38, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * - formal term for a roadside stall or stand?
 * (หรดาล)
 * - lao khao
 * - in the Clozemaster sentence "พรุ่งนี้พยายามอย่าสายอีกหละ"
 * - in the Clozemaster sentence "พรุ่งนี้พยายามอย่าสายอีกหละ"
 * - in the Clozemaster sentence "พรุ่งนี้พยายามอย่าสายอีกหละ"

ฬ

 * Note: No word nowadays begins with this letter.

อ

 * - compare with Lao
 * - to go, take away - as in take away food or coffee to go
 * - a particle

Unknown written forms

 * Muay Khao - a Muay Thai style
 * Muay Mat - a Muay Thai style
 * Muay Tae - a Muay Thai style
 * I am pretty sure that they are มวยเข่า (knee boxing) มวยหมัด (fist boxing) and มวยเตะ (kick boxing), all SOP. However, มวยไทย (Muay Thai) already allows kneeing, fisting, and kicking. --Octahedron80 (talk) 07:18, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * sup Thai - a stew-like dish from the Isan region
 * It is ซุบ. It is dry (with a little excessed water), not stew-like. Homophone of ซุป (soup) but they are totally different. --Octahedron80 (talk) 03:55, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Khao kriab - crackers?
 * It is ข้าวเกรียบ. Only for rice cracker, not any cracker. --Octahedron80 (talk) 03:51, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

de:Wiktionary:Thai/Wunschliste

title: Wiktionary:Requested entries (Thai)


text:
salvezza

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) salvation

title: salvezza


text:
sballare

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to unpack
 * 2)  to talk (nonsense), to tell (lies or exaggerations)
 * 3)  to ask for (an excessive price)
 * 4)  to make a mistake, to be wrong
 * 5)  to mess up, to be wrong in (calculations, cost estimates, etc.)
 * 6)  to get high
 * 7)  to exceed the limit, to go bust
 * 8)  to exceed the limit
 * 9)  to exceed (a limit)
 * 10)  to ruin (a car, mechanism, etc.)
 * 11)  to drink to excess, to get wasted
 * 12)  to get high
 * 13)  to freak out
 * 14)  to croak, to kick the bucket
 * 1)  to drink to excess, to get wasted
 * 2)  to get high
 * 3)  to freak out
 * 4)  to croak, to kick the bucket
 * 1)  to croak, to kick the bucket

Usage notes

 * Hoepli claims that the intransitive senses use as the auxiliary, but other dictionaries disagree.

title: sballare


text: sballando

title: sballando


text: sballante

title: sballante


text:
sballato

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  high
 * 2)  drunk
 * 1)  drunk

Noun

 * 1)  misfit
 * 2)  junkie
 * 1)  junkie

title: sballato


text: sballati

title: sballati


text: sballata

title: sballata


text: sballo

title: sballo


text: sballi

title: sballi


text: sballa

title: sballa


text: sballiamo

title: sballiamo


text: sballate

title: sballate


text: sballano

title: sballano


text: sballavo

title: sballavo


text: sballavi

title: sballavi


text: sballava

title: sballava


text: sballavamo

title: sballavamo


text: sballavate

title: sballavate


text: sballavano

title: sballavano


text: sballai

title: sballai


text: sballasti

title: sballasti


text: sballò

title: sballò


text: sballammo

title: sballammo


text: sballaste

title: sballaste


text: sballarono

title: sballarono


text: sballerò

title: sballerò


text: sballerai

title: sballerai


text: sballerà

title: sballerà


text: sballeremo

title: sballeremo


text: sballerete

title: sballerete


text:
scansione

Noun

 * 1)  scansion rhythm or meter of a line or verse
 * 2)  scan

title: scansione


text: sballeranno

title: sballeranno


text: sballerei

title: sballerei


text: sballeresti

title: sballeresti


text: sballerebbe

title: sballerebbe


text: sballeremmo

title: sballeremmo


text: sballereste

title: sballereste


text: sballerebbero

title: sballerebbero


text: sballiate

title: sballiate


text: sballino

title: sballino


text: sballassi

title: sballassi


text: sballasse

title: sballasse


text: sballassimo

title: sballassimo


text: sballassero

title: sballassero


text: מגנצא

title: מגנצא


text: ורמיזא

title: ורמיזא


text: ורמייזא

title: ורמייזא


text:
下去

Verb

 * 1) to go down
 * 2) (used after a verb) down (away from oneself)
 * 3) down
 * 4) on ; down
 * 1) on ; down
 * 1) on ; down

title: 下去


text:
落去

Verb

 * 1)  to go down
 * 2) down
 * 3) on to continue; to go on
 * 4)  to go in; to enter
 * 1) on to continue; to go on
 * 2)  to go in; to enter
 * 1)  to go in; to enter
 * 1)  to go in; to enter

title: 落去


text:
下午

Noun

 * 1) afternoon; p.m.

Etymology
Cited to roughly 1853 in the , but possibly older.

Ultimately from.

Noun

 * 1)  afternoon, especially the early afternoon
 * 2)   over the hill, past middle age

title: 下午


text:
下晡

Noun

 * 1)  afternoon

title: 下晡


text:
Talk:pleasurization

RFV
{| style="margin:0 auto;" class="toccolours" colspan=2
 * [[Image:Keep tidy.svg|75px|right|]] The following information has failed Wiktionary's verification process. Failure to be verified may either mean that this information is fabricated, or is merely beyond our resources to confirm. In the interests of assuming good faith, we have archived here the disputed information, the verification discussion, and any documentation gathered so far, pending further evidence. Do not re-add this information to the article without also submitting proof that it meets Wiktionary's criteria for inclusion.
 * [[Image:Keep tidy.svg|75px|right|]] The following information has failed Wiktionary's verification process. Failure to be verified may either mean that this information is fabricated, or is merely beyond our resources to confirm. In the interests of assuming good faith, we have archived here the disputed information, the verification discussion, and any documentation gathered so far, pending further evidence. Do not re-add this information to the article without also submitting proof that it meets Wiktionary's criteria for inclusion.

pleasurization
Zero b.g.c., only 11 web-google hits. --Connel MacKenzie 14:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

 * "Pleasurization" does get three b.g.c. hits, though one is iffy. The other two both seem to mean "the process of making pleasurable or pleasant":
 * Quotations moved to page. DAVilla 17:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The iffy one is this one — iffy if only because it's in quote-marks to indicate that even its fictional author intended it as a nonce (some info taken from the publisher's Web site):
 * 2005 July 1, Steven Digman, The Art of Women ... and other troubles, Digman's Violin & Publishing Co., ISBN 0-9770236-0-5, pages 34–35,
 * Helen was the "Passion Editor" for the well distributed and the very well proportioned "womanary" magazine "The Treasure Breast." Abnormally, Helen would never accept any unsolicited material, but this one, "Samuel's Fantasy," had somehow found it way onto Helen's bed (the bed being where she read). So Helen (making herself comfortable) - read. ¶ Certainly the title was neither profound nor unique but the first chapter definitely was: "The 'Pleasurization' Process"...
 * (The ellipsis and the other weirdnesses — "abnormally" for "normally", "it way" for "its way", hyphen for em dash in a place you'd expect neither — are all in the original.) Sorry for the long quote, but I wasn't sure exactly how much set-up would be useful for y'all to catch the meaning being used. (I considered including more post-context, but it's all about Helen pleasuring herself while reading or thinking about the chapter; enough said.)
 * —RuakhTALK 16:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Hmm... why did you hard-code ambidextrous quotes? Anyways, I would trim the quotation like this:
 * Helen was the “Passion Editor” for the well distributed and the very well proportioned “womanary” magazine “The Treasure Breast.” ... “Samuel’s Fantasy,” had somehow found it[s] way onto Helen’s bed (the bed being where she read).... Certainly the title was neither profound nor unique but the first chapter definitely was: “The 'Pleasurization’ Process”...
 * But I don't think even a bigger chunk would convey meaning clearly enough. With the innuendo all we really get is a sense of the topic, and everything else is inferred even more indirectly than that. DAVilla 17:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Please note:
 * Citations given (all three) were for a different spelling.
 * Citation format is still using the nonstandard proposed format that doesn't retain the useful links.
 * --Connel MacKenzie 17:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

 * There wasn't anything to retain. I copied the quotes verbatim. But you're welcome to discipline Ruakh for using a “nonstandard” citation format. DAVilla 17:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Re: spelling: Yes, sorry, I should have said that explicitly. (I searched b.g.c. for "(pleasurization|pleasurizations|pleasurisation|pleasurisations)", and those are the three cites that came up.)

 * Re: "non-standard proposed format": I use the standard format described at Quotations, except that where it says, "If the quotation can be read online, the page number should be wikified as a link to the online source (note: under dispute)", I don't link to b.g.c. results that include a  parameter, since I don't know what-all that parameter is used for on Google's end. (I don't know to what extent it's being tracked, and to what extent those parameters are tied to my Google login; and, while Google doesn't seem to have an explicit acceptable use policy, I'm not sure we're supposed to pass around such links.) If you'd rather that I stop adding cites for which I'm unwilling to provide such links, I will.

 * —RuakhTALK 18:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I'd add a sarcastic comment about all RFVs, but well, no. Nevermind.  No, I am not asking you to stop helping.  You seem to be the main person adopting DAVilla's proposed format, to date.  It is off-putting to me, to not be able to follow these links (easily.)  grumble, grumble, grumble.  --Connel MacKenzie 01:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

 * If you search for a chunk of the citation, especially one with big words and no punctuation, wrapped in quotation marks, it's quite easy to find on Google Books. For instance, try searching for "Certainly the title was neither profound nor unique" and only one result pops up. DAVilla 17:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

 * As I said, that is not as easy as clicking a single, direct link. And getting perfect results (as in your example) are not often guaranteed.  And the desired highlighted word is not then highlighted (particularly if it appears elsewhere in the same text.)  --Connel MacKenzie 19:05, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Re: "nonstandard" vs. "non-standard"; I can't believe my original template error has gained a life of its own. Checking b.g.c and other dictionaries, it should be the word "nonstandard."  --Connel MacKenzie 01:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Label template is fixed. Category moved, but may have residual hard-coded entries. DAVilla 17:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Rfvfailed for pleasurisation, rfvpassed for pleasurization . --Connel MacKenzie 04:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)  Status unclear on pleasurization.  --Connel MacKenzie 04:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Also of note: the "iffy" citation above is a self-published e-book, obviously not reviewed by an editorial staff. --Connel MacKenzie 04:19, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

RFV failed. Sense removed, entry redone. —Ruakh TALK 17:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Appendix:rfvfailed
 * }

title: Talk:pleasurization


text:
Talk:avian

avian
The fantasy sense: "A part-bird, part-human creature." Seems to be restricted to a set of games. Dmcdevit·t 07:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No, it actually is used across the genre of fantasy and also science-fiction. --EncycloPetey 20:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * True, but the sense varies; in Star Trek: Enterprise, for example, Avians are an alien race. Also, I'm not sure why, but there's a non-F&SF use of the noun to refer to birds (see e.g. b.g.c:"avians" for a range of uses). I think we should simply have four senses, two adjective and two noun: "Pertaining to birds"; "Pertaining to bird-like or flying creatures"; "A bird"; "A bird-like or flying creature". I don't think there's more information we can give without delving into the details of specific fictional universes. —RuakhTALK 21:12, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The sci-fi/fantasy usages are really an extension of the "bird-like" definition. --EncycloPetey 22:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

RFV failed. Additional senses added as discussed here. —Ruakh TALK 20:37, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

title: Talk:avian


text:
Talk:whigger

whigger
--Connel MacKenzie 04:43, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Google Groups suggests that wigger is a wee bit more common, but yes, this is real. Are you RFV-ing wigger as well, or just this spelling — as in, do you doubt the word's existence, or just that it's spelled like this? (I'll cite it either way, I guess, but it would be nice to know.) —RuakhTALK 06:54, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I should have clarified: I have serious doubts about this spelling. I have no doubts that the word (spelled correctly as "wigger") is in use.  --Connel MacKenzie 16:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

 * The whigger spelling is important, as an apparently intentional conflation with the Whig Party (either one?). (Of which members at the time were just called "Whigs"). So the spelling is very real, and the reference to Whig should be noted. Robert Ullmann 16:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

 * So, a British variant of the American slang term? --Connel MacKenzie 18:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow! Our definition of Whig is pretty misleading.  There were a couple years where the term was used attributively by a nascent (temporary) American political party, but the term means the British party - it is in every way reminiscent only of British politics.  --Connel MacKenzie 18:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

This is a choose your own adventure: either RFV passed, or RFV failed but cited by Kappa before anyone got around to actually marking it failed. Either way, entry retained. —Ruakh TALK 22:28, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

title: Talk:whigger


text:
Talk:beater

RFV discussion: May 2007–September 2007
The Harry Potter sense: another Harry Potter coinage without independent use. Dmcdevit·t 21:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

RFV failed, sense removed. —Ruakh TALK 07:45, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

RFV discussion: September 2011–March 2012
Rfv-sense copycat. I can't see it in any other online dictionary, and I have never come across it. SemperBlotto 21:27, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I hear it very often used to express frustration over someone who plagiarized their idea or imitated their style. It is slang and I don't know if it has been used in printed works.Gtroy 21:45, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't think of a way to search for this that would avoid the other meanings of beater. Maybe something like "you're such a beater", would that work? Mglovesfun (talk) 23:21, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, maybe "He is such a beater"?Gtroy 20:36, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't understand this sense if I saw or heard it. Could you cite any actual usage that makes clear the extra sense as a synonym of plagiarist?    D b f  i  r  s   10:16, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

 * RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 07:14, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

title: Talk:beater


text:
Talk:4649

RFV
--Connel MacKenzie 06:10, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * delete --Williamsayers79 15:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

 * May be good; I can't tell if it is citable in use (mentions are easy); it will take a fluent native speaker (I can't skim google returns in Japanese the way I can in English ;-. It does make a great deal of sense. (more than l33t) Robert Ullmann 16:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Wouldn't that imply the language heading should be ==Japanese==? --Connel MacKenzie 20:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

 * This is very common as a Japanese "abbreviation" (I’m not sure that abbreviation is the best word). 4 = yo; 6 = ro; 4 = shi, 9 = ku ... yoroshiku (よろしく) ("I’m glad to make your acquaintance"). On Google, it gets over 140,000 hits. —Stephen 17:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds to me we should treat it as a textspeak-style contration, e.g. the English m8 and cul8r. Thryduulf 18:43, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

 * It's real, like txtspk or leet. I even found a cite for it. Cynewulf 19:13, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

 * ...which brings us back to the question of whether it is English or not. I'd close the Japanese portion of this RFV on the strength of Stephen and Cynewulf's assurances that it is common in Japanese, but there's still an English section on the page... — Beobach972 02:26, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Whoops, someone added the Japanese section, instead of correcting the L2 language heading? (I don't think anyone contests its existence in Japanese.)  --Connel MacKenzie 19:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

 * rfvfailed for English (left as Japanese) Cynewulf 18:50, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

RFD discussion: September 2017
'The number four thousand six hundred and forty-nine', do we really need to keep this sense? It is not even a sentence. Pkbwcgs (talk) 15:26, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Speedied Translingual. Equinox ◑ 15:33, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * For the record, WT:CFI: "Numbers, numerals, and ordinals over 100 that are not single words or are sequences of digits should not be included in the dictionary, unless the number, numeral, or ordinal in question has a separate idiomatic sense that meets the CFI." --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:45, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

title: Talk:4649


text:
bycoket

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  A type of medieval cap with a wide brim that comes to a point in the front and is turned up at the rear, originally worn by Western European nobility and royalty.

Translations

 * French:
 * Latin: abacot
 * Portuguese:

title: bycoket


text:
PED

Noun

 * 1)  usually an electronic smartphone or other media or game-playing device.
 * 1)  usually an electronic smartphone or other media or game-playing device.
 * 1)  usually an electronic smartphone or other media or game-playing device.

title: PED


text:
Talk:abacot

RFV discussion

 * The below is copied from Requests for verification archive/July 2007.

A historically notable misprinting. I'm not really sure what to do with this, as it has no real meaning. Opinions? Dmcdevit·t 08:22, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I would make it an bycoket, with =Etymology= notes on how it originated.  Widsith 09:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Cleaned up, moved to abacot. —Ruakh TALK 22:47, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

More hisotry
Plenty more history available for example The Atheneum 1882 (Murray) (damaged copy), Gentlemans Magazine 1857 (Jowitt), Archealogia 1883 and in the first recorded use of the term ghost word, by Skeat (1886) in which he deplores dictionaries documenting such words. These sources may be of more use fo a Wikipedia article, whether on this particular word or ghost words in general, than this Wiktionary entry, but the last certainly contains much of interest to the lexicographer. Rich Farmbrough, 16:12, 29 July 2022 (UTC).

title: Talk:abacot


text:
Talk:pinner

RFV discussion
Adjective sense. Not in any other dictionary. SemperBlotto 09:26, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

RFV failed, section removed. —Ruakh TALK 23:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

title: Talk:pinner