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tsunis
I added a quote as you seemed to question its validity. Also, it appears here : [] zigzig20s 10:55, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

 * OK, I think you're confusing me by spelling it tsunis in the citation (and here). I've found some other cites myself now, so it should get through RfV OK.  Widsith 10:59, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Should we remove the verification tag then?zigzig20s 14:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

casus belli
Are you sure about your symbol for the first syllable of "belli" in the transcription? It seems to me you used a depleted form of the "bird" sound instead of the "bed" sound. I hope this is clear enough - unfortunately I don't know how to use the IPA symbols on my computer, so I can't type the transcription I am thinking of...zigzig20s 14:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

 * No, the vowel in bed is and that in bird is  (the other way round).  In actual fact these days the latter is more like .  Widsith 14:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Erm, I thought it was a symbol resembling the letter 'e'. That's what I learnt in phonetics/phonology class, and that's what dictionaries seem to use...I am mystified.zigzig20s 14:53, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't know how else to explain it to you. The vowel in bed is called an open-mid front unrounded vowel and the one in bird is a long open-mid central unrounded vowel.  Both symbols are based on typographical forms of the letter E, but they face in opposite directions.  Widsith 14:59, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

 * For example here you have the transcription of the word bed' : [] and the symbol resembles the letter 'e' as it does when I type it with my keyboard...zigzig20s 15:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

 * That's not IPA, it's just sloppy amateur phonetic notation.  is a completely separate sound, found in French and Spanish among many other languages – but in English it only exists as part of diphthongs.  See close-mid front unrounded vowel.  Widsith 15:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Humph  zigzig20s 15:14, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

haloenzyme
Are you sure of the etymology. I couldn't find any reference to them containing halogen atoms. SemperBlotto 12:52, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

 * No not really, I just couldn't see what else it could be. Could it be halo-?  Widsith 10:11, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

In re coördinator
Please see the archived discussion concerning coördinate before reverting the entries again. Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 14:21, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I remember the conversation well. The consensus seemed to be that the forms with diaereses are archaic, or dated at best.  At any rate, it seems neutral enough to include all information on both pages.  Widsith 14:31, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Very well. Agreed. Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 14:33, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

site
Please would you look over this for me, since Thanks in advance --Eng in ear 22:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Pedia claims the original was writen in Anglo-Norman verse, but with some ME songs ... I've assumed this one was ME since it contains thorns and it looks much more English than French to me ... but AFAIK, I've never seen anything in Anglo-Norman to compare it with.
 * I had to guess which special chars to use for thorns and some other character I don't know ... they look a bit strange in the typeface I have
 * The book I found it in is at two stages (two authors) removed from the original, so I can't be certain that the original (whose date I'm claiming) is faithfully reproduced.
 * We seem to have very few ME entries, so I don't even know if that's the right heading.

 * Hiya, it's definitely a word in English and the cite is also English so no worries there. I can't see the special characters on the machine I'm currently on, but I'll check them when I get the chance.  I've moved the whole section to the =English= heading - I don't like Middle English as a language header because it really isn't a separate language, and there is no clear division between ME and modern English.  In this case it's not a hard decision anyway, as site was still in use well into the sixteenth century.  Widsith 10:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks. That explains the paucity of ME entries.  Yes I saw it was in OED with those dates, but didn't come across any later independent cites.  No doubt others will appear online as more work is digitised. --Eng in ear 11:24, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

About Ancient Greek
As an editor who apparently has some knowledge of Ancient Greek, I'm just making sure you're aware of the About Ancient Greek page, and that any contributions you'd like to make would be most welcome. If you've already looked and have nothing to add (or simply don't feel like looking), please accept my apologies for this nuisance. Atelaes 00:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I've been watching it, but I'm not an expert so have little to add. The only comment I have is that I feel Mycaenean forms should be marked as cognates rather than alternative spellings.  Widsith 08:47, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Oh, well did you know that a discussion was just started on that particular topic? It's rather a complex and interesting topic, and we need all the help we can get to sort it out.  Atelaes 19:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

θείον and theion
Greetings Widsith! Some time ago you moved theion to θείον. However, I believe that iwe should have a separate entry for theion based on the substantial usage of this transliteration in English-language theological writings (645 Google books hits, the bulk of them meeting this description), including the examples in the entry. What do you think? bd2412 T 00:46, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

 * OK, sounds good to me. I've never come across the word in English, but it does seem to be out there.  Widsith 09:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Done - since the cites were to the English, I've moved those as well (and added a bunch of others). Cheers! bd2412 T 11:04, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Good to see you around again
Could you help with the etymology (more than one?) of the word round. It was part of the WT:COW, but no one added the etymology. My dictionaries are vague about the relationships between the adjective, noun, and verb forms, and whether they had separate roots in ME. and French. --EncycloPetey 19:44, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks, yeah I suppose I have been pretty quiet for a while. (That's real life for you...)  I've had a look at round, yes it's a bit complicated but essentially everything developed from the adjective so I've tried to make that clear.  I also added an adverb sense (which could probably be expanded) as well as another (etymologically unrelated) verb.  Widsith 19:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Jèrriais
Hi Widsith, you’ll need to wikilink Jèrriais if you add translations to that language, since it is not in the WT:TOP40. See price. Cheers, H. (talk) 16:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Bah, I hate that policy. Is it a policy?  Anyway, I have no objection to others wikilinking Jèrriais but I won't be doing it myself, I think it looks messy.  Widsith 16:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I think it is a policy, but it is not entirely clear which languages should be linked, see the link above. OTOH, there is no doubt that Jèrriais belongs to them.  It really is a good thing from the point of view of the curious user, which I was when I saw your translation: Jèrriais is not generally known, so one will want to know what it is.  A link is the perfect service for that. (I had to copy the word and paste it to the end of the link in the address bar, which is much more work...) H. (talk) 16:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I'm sure it makes sense.. It just annoys me for some reason.  Widsith 16:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Greek lemmas
On Stephen's talk page, you mentioned that we're using 1st person PAI as the lemma instead of the infinitive in Greek.

How come? Widsith 12:59, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Well, the primary reasoning behind this is that, from what I've seen, it's the standard within the world of Ancient Greek. The LSJ, the Bauer, and most other lexicons I've seen use the 1st sing PAI as the dictionary form.  I suppose I don't have any grander reasoning than that.  It may interest you to know that Latin is also taking this approach.  Atelaes 18:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

neap /swede
I undid those changes. Thanks for correcting me.--Hauskalainen 11:07, 4 March 2007 (UTC) ps despite the speed of this correction I am also a skillful procrastinator!

Greek derivations
I've been cleaning up some etymologies lately, as a lot of our etymologies are kind of....embarrassing (I'm sure you remember Kassios). One thing that I wanted to talk to you about is the distinction between Category:Greek derivations and Category:Ancient Greek derivations. I've been switching a lot words which claim to be Greek derivations to Ancient Greek, but I noticed that you had put a few as Greek derivations which were rather clearly from Ancient Greek. Now, you seem to be kind of the etymology master of Wiktionary, and so I certainly don't presume to lecture you about this (you were actually the one who corrected my very first attempt at an etymology on plutocracy). But I was wondering what your thoughts were on the matter. I guess I think that if we are going to retain the distinction between the two as languages, our etymologies should reflect that. Your thoughts? Atelaes 06:07, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, this is totally me being a bit behind the times. I have always made the distinction between "Greek" and "Modern Greek" (probably because this is what most etymological dictionaries do), but I have noticed recently that most people here do it the other way, distinguishing between "Ancient Greek" and "Greek".  I will happily start using "Ancient Greek" if that will cause you fewer problems.  Widsith 16:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks. Atelaes 18:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Votes/pl-2007-02/Trademark designations
Greetings! Since you participated in the discussion at Beer parlour, I thought you might want to cast a vote at Votes/pl-2007-02/Trademark designations. Cheers! bd2412 T 04:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Perceived slight
You know that really did come out the wrong way. At any rate, you might be interested in my latest revision, with much better filtering. User:Connel MacKenzie/Gutenberg/2007/4/1-100 lists lots of red-linked words that are archaic or Middle English, if you are still interested in that sort of thing. --Connel MacKenzie 06:32, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

 * OK, thanks for commenting. I think I was just in a bad mood when I read it...  Widsith 08:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

eigenvalue
The definition is concise, even if it's difficult to understand. An understandable definition would require a chapter in a textbook (and usually does). --EncycloPetey 17:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Hmm, well looking at the Wikipedia page it seems to me that one definition could be "a factor of multiplication representing the extent to which a vector is deformed in a given transformation". I'm no expert though.  I'm looking at the OED now, which defines it as "One of those special values of a parameter in an equation for which the equation has a solution", which also seems a bit less opaque than what we have.  I have a maths A-level so if I can't understand it I don't have much hope for a casual user (if any casual user would look this kind of thing up..!)  Widsith 14:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

 * The Wikipedia page is using a particualr application of eigenvalues to define it. It would be like defining apple as "a product of vegetation representing the seed-carrying vessel in a reproductive event."  It's an understandable definition, but it tells you more about the perceived purpose of the apple than what it is.  It's too specific because eigenvalues turn up in situations other than vector products.  The OED definition is appallingly vague, but I suppose something like it could be used as a supplementary gloss to our current definition.  --EncycloPetey 16:25, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

 * OK, but our definition seems to be using a particular application of eigenvalues as well, that of linear algebra. Further down the 'Pedia page we have "The eigenvalue of a non-zero eigenvector is the scale factor by which it has been multiplied" which also seems a good working def.  Your apple comparison is not very convincing I'm afraid!  You obviously understand this better than me, but surely you can see that we need some definition that allows non-mathematicians to grasp the concept?  Widsith 08:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

 * No, because that definition requires that you have a non-zero eigenvector. The concept spans several areas of mathematics because a vector is actually a form of matrix.  A vector is simply a matrix with just one row (or column), so the matrix definition is actually broader than the vector-based definition. Any definition based on vector deformation will therefore be more restrictive because it eliminates the broader picture.  The difficulty lies in creating a concise definition that is (1) accurate, and (2) accessible.  The concept of eigenvalue is one that even I as a mathematician have had trouble with.  It took me more than a week to comprehend what was going on when I first learned this word, and I had already had two courses in matrix algebra and differential calculus at the time.  I hate to say it, but I haven't yet come across a good way to define the term eigenvalue so that it could be easily understood.  We have have to just stick with a complicated efinition for now and refer readers to the WP article for deeper understanding. --EncycloPetey 22:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

 * If you say so. I'll copy this discussion to the talk page.  Widsith 07:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Etymology format
I was wondering if you'd care to comment on Wiktionary talk:Etymology. Also, I saw your new word, and added ἀμφίσβαινα, thought it might interest you. Thanks. Atelaes 02:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Great, I love it when links in an Etymology section go blue! I've commented at the discussion; thanks.  Widsith 08:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Small Old English questions
I've noticed a bit of inconsistency with specify the name of Old English (I've seen both Anglo-Saxon and Old English) and I'm wondering if there's a particular preference on this. I'd tend to steer toward the latter myself, but word is you're the resident OE editor.

Additionally, I've come across the word "seþeah" in doing some translation work, which appears to be a form of "swa þeah", "nevertheless". Bosworth and Toller says this latter (and by extension the former) is an "adv. conj.". I'm wondering if you have a particular preference as to how to specify part of speech on this. Adverbial Conjunction seems like a good start, but I wanted to double check. (I have difficulty with Be Bold.) Thank you for your input! --Leftmostcat 06:04, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

 * No I think what Bos & Tol mean is that it can be used either as an adverb or as a conjunction. That's certainly the case with swa þeah – I haven't come across the contracted form but I imagine it's the same thing.  As for the name of the language, we call it Old English - Anglo-Saxon is a very outdated term for it.  For more, see About Old English.  Widsith 08:16, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Revert of my edit
Why did you revert my edit to Prince Charming? And why didn't you give a reason for it? __meco 11:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Oops, sorry – I was trying to take out the disambiguation bit, I didn't mean to take the word out altogether! I'll put it back in.  But you should have a look at the entry: you can't ask for a translation to be split into tables when there is only one definition.  Widsith 12:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Libricide
What is the reason you changed your mind to edit my definition?

Neil zusman 15:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Since Widsith appears to have gone offline, I've explained on your Talk page. --Eng in ear 18:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Why did you revert edit to 'make no bones about'?
Apart from the fact that you've removed a probably more accurate definition that I added, you've also put back the spelling mistake that was the reason I went into the word in the first place.

Do you just revert edits by newcomers on principle?

And why don't you add an explanation for you bizarre behavior?

 * Because that's not what it means. Apologies for the spelling – I'll change that back.  Of course I don't revert newcomers on principle; you're very welcome here.  Widsith 15:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Etymology format updates
I'm not planning to rewrite the etymology format page, just updating the one reference because it used the Gr. template instead of the AGr. template, and then it seemed like I had better format that one the way the other ones using AGr. are done. There's several hundred of these all using the wrong one, and I might as well do cleanup on them while changing the template reference. (They're not in any standard form; some have italics, some plain text, some with quotes around the transcription if there is one, etc.) ArielGlenn 16:43, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

wine
I think the reason the Pronunciation section was above the Etymologies is because it applies to both Etymology sections. Isn't that the way we do it? Or are we supposed to be duplicating the information? Widsith 12:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

 * But it wasn't, it was after the first Etymology 1 header. If it applies to both it should indeed be before. Does it apply to Ety 2? Robert Ullmann 12:40, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Ah, you were editing at the same time I was, I was already working from the edit before. (why this didn't cause an edit conflict is an odd WM bug.) Robert Ullmann 12:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Why does wine have cat Greek derivations? Robert Ullmann 13:00, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Hmm, shouldn't be – I'll take that out. Widsith 14:53, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Metaphysics
I recently made an addition to the etymology of metaphysics, but Wikipedant expressed some reservations about it here. I was wondering if you would be willing to check some of your sources and see if you can find anything to support or deny what I've written. Many thanks. Atelaes 16:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

potter's field
Hi there. I didn't know the meaning of that phrase and, searching through Google books, I haven't yet found a usage outside of the US. I wonder why that is? SemperBlotto 08:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Yeah, it's weird, I agree. I had heard of it before, but now I come to think of it maybe that was always from US sources too.  Because of America's religious history, they have always been partial to a good Biblical idiom.  I am loth to mark it (US), but maybe that's what the citations indicate.  Widsith 09:00, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Requested articles:Old English
Hey, I don't know if you're even aware that this page exists or not, but I've put a few entries on here for the etymologies on some upcoming WotD's. If you have some spare time, it'd be neato keen if you could write the entries for some of them. Thanks. Atelaes 00:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks for doing all those, and thanks for the etymology on μήν. Unfortunately I don't yet have any good PIE materials, so if you ever feel like adding the roots of some of the more primitive A. Greek words, I'd be much obliged.  Atelaes 21:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

etymology sections
Widsith (re ): are etymological discussions welcome on wiktionary, or are they not? Is there some official consensus on this that can be cited up front? I tended to delegate detailed discussions of etymologies from Wikipedia to Wiktionary, since, after all, Wikipedia isn't an [etymological] dictionary. On the other hand, material placed on Wiktionary seems to be in permanent danger to just disappear: the attitude prevalent here is clearly one of cavalier deletionism (which has prevented me from investing time and expertise in this project). If there is an official consensus that scholarly discussion of etymologies is not wanted on Wiktionary, this is fine: I will not even bother to upload them. It's just important to know, because it will serve to defend articles like w:Witch (etymology), w:Perkwunos, w:Etymology of the word Arab on Wikipedia. 130.60.142.151 07:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

 * A vote was taken recently on whether Wiktionary should include detailed Word Histories, and the community rejected the idea. You can see the results at WT:VOTE.  That doesn't mean etymological discussions will always be inappropriate.  But generally we look for ways to fillet that kind of discussion down to its most efficient form.  Full discussions of that kind are (in my opinion) best left to an encyclopaedia like Wikipedia.  There is more on this at Etymology and its discussion page.  If you disagree, feel free to create an account and contribute to the debate.  Maybe you will change people's minds.  Widsith 07:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

 * PS as for the specific edit you referred to, I took a call on it at the time as an admin interested in that area. But my word is hardly law, this is just a Wiki.  If you disagree, raise it with me or elsewhere.  Widsith 07:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * thank you -- this is more or less what I expected. In my book, this completely defeats the purpose of Wiktionary (you should think the community would aspire to a full-blown dictionary, looking at the OED as WP looks at the Britannica). I will not contribute to this debate: thank god Wikipedia allows "(etymology)" entries, I will at best return here for edits such as this one. regards, 130.60.142.151 08:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Precisely, and you will notice the OED does not engage in this kind of hypothetical discussion; at most, they give pointers on books or articles where it can be researched further. Our etymology section for witch, even after I cut it down, is much fuller than that of the OED.  Giving the details of longwinded academic disputes is not the job of a dictionary, however complete.  It belongs, if anywhere, in an encyclopaedia: a dictionary should just show any conclusions such academics come to.  Widsith 08:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * precisely -- what I meant was "go beyond OED, as WP goes beyond Britannica". I am not arguing: I just state that in my book, this attitude defeats the purpose of WT (which would otherwise have great potential as a linguistic resource), but I am perfectly happy with editing w:witch (etymology), no problem at all. 130.60.142.151 08:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

To change a name
Do you know where I can request a name-change here? I'd like it changed to Takamatsu. Thanks --Takanatsu the Frippant 21:03, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you need to ask a Bureaucrat. Widsith 21:20, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

 * The page for this is at Changing username. However, if you're in a hurry, you may want to grab a 'crat on IRC or leave a message on one of their talk pages, as I have no idea how often they check the page.  Atelaes 04:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

lic
(from User talk:Beobach972)

Why the formatting changes? It's well-established here that most foreign words should just show glosses in English, not full-sentences. Widsith 07:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

 * (Just to be inconsistent, I replied to your other comment on my talk page. No, really I just didn't realise you had left two comments until replying to that one. — Beobach972 05:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC))

 * My mistake, I was unaware that there is a specific convention against full sentences in foreign language definitions. (I knew that we didn't put full definitions — defining definición as a statement of the meaning of a word or word group or a sign or symbol — of course.) I don't see either noun sense or the adjective sense as being full sentences, though... for the first noun sense I just used a majuscule letter, which (counter-intuitively for me) seems to be the convention for definition lines, and for the second noun sense, I think that saying ‘(poetic) (living) body’ is very confusing (as though living were another category tag), so I inserted the article, and there's a difference between ‘especially the torso’ and just ‘torso’, thus my edit. You can revert it if you that's best, though I'd ask that you leave the article between (poetic) and (living) for clarity. Incidently, perhaps we ought to wikify living, what do you think? — Beobach972 05:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * PS- Did I get the diacritics (or lack thereof) right on the adjective sense? — Beobach972 05:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

 * The diacritics are fine, although usually we also add a dot over the C to show that it is pronounced and not /k/.  So, the problem with defining e.g. chien as ‘a dog’ is that it doesn't actually mean ‘a dog’, which in French would be un chien.  (In OE it's a little more complicated, because they didn't usually use an indefinite article, so in a sense lic does mean ‘a body’ as well as ‘body’ – but that's just complicating things...).  That is why, because we are usually just giving a word or two as a definition, it looks better without majuscules or full stops.  You will see this is the convention on most foreign language entries.  If more explanatory comments are called for (which may be the case with lic, I take your point about the clarity) then of course fuller sentences may be necessary.  I hope all that makes sense Widsith 09:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Ah, that's what I meant (I'm counting the dot over the C as a diacritic). I see now that it was ġelīċ anyway! — Beobach972 16:29, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
thank you for the welcome message, and hope that I would be a Wiktionarian.

Haytham Abulela  09:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

etym. μπύρα
Well not certain - hence possibly :) - my Greek dictionary give from Italian. Our birra gives Germanic. —Saltmarsh 10:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you mean:

possibly via Germanic *bior or *bier
 * Saltmarsh 10:43, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've shortened the entry to my source and leave any inter/extra-polation to others! Saltmarsh 13:41, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * both my sources (ΛΚΝ, Μπαμπινιωτης) give μπίρα < (Italian) birra < (German) Bier, and one goes on to give < (Old German) bior, is that good enough to add it back in? ArielGlenn 23:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

 * That sounds much more plausible. Go for it. ("Old German" = Old High German.) Widsith 12:50, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Descendants
I'm wary of listing English terms as Descendants of a Latin word (as I see you did with caseus > caseifaction). Descendants are etymological - well, descendants of a word as it ‘becomes’ a different language. As I'm sure you know, it's very important in etymology to distinguish such words from borrowings. The classic case is the two Spanish words palabra and parabola, both from Latin parabola but one borrowed and one a natural descendant. So I really think Latin =Descendants= should be limited to the Romance languages, whereas other terms should go under =See also= or maybe =Related terms=. Widsith 11:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * They couldn't go under =Related terms=, since that header is only for words in the same language as the entry. See also is typically used for same language words that have a related concept, but are not etymologically or morphologically related, and which can't be classified as a synonym or antonym.  Descendants is really the logical location for such words.
 * I don't see that it's as important for us to distinguish between descendants that evolve within a language from those that are borrowed wholsale. Borrowings change too, especially in terms of inflections.  That said, English is the one language where I really feel we should include descendants that have "jumped" the boundaries of language families.  This is the English wiktionary, and it is very useful for users to be able to relate English words using those roots. --EncycloPetey 17:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with EncycloPetey on this one. Regardless of whether a word arrives in a language via normal language evolution or via borrowing, it still traces its descent back to the etymon, and should thus be listed as a descendent.  However, what we could do to make the distinction clear is add a qualifier that could possibly look something like this (I can't think of proper terminology here, but I imagine my idea is conveyed nonetheless):

Descendants
Atelaes 19:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * palabra (Linear descendant)
 * parabola (Borrowed from Latin)

 * Believe me, it is important to make the distinction. Etymological dictionaries do not even include borrowings, because they are extremely confusing when you're tryiong to make comparisons between the way a word has evolved in different languages.  But as long as some kind of distinction is made that would be fine.  I suggest just something simpler like:

Descendants
...or maybe putting borrowings in brackets? Widsith 14:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * palabra
 * parabola (borrowing)

OK, this is getting to be a policy discussion. We ought to start a page for Wiktionary:Descendants and copy a note to the Beer Parlour regarding the discussion. --EncycloPetey 15:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Widsith, I think your version is distinctly superior to mine, and I could quite happily live with that. And yes EncycloPetey, it might be good to take this discussion somewhere more public.  However, concerning Wiktionary:Descendants and all pages similar to it, perhaps we should create links to them on WT:ELE, so that they're not so hidden.  I didn't know about Etymology until rather recently.  Atelaes 19:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

So I can't even be sarcastic now!
Sarcastic comments like that on RFV are...ill-advised to say the least right now. Widsith 15:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

for Pete's sake, I can't even be sarcastic now! Just pointing out what is so obvious to me, that Connel just hates any word to do with sex.

But how about making some comment about CM's blatant disregard for policies; his quoting policies and votes that just don't exist. No wonder I get damn frustrated. Does everyone else live in fear of the guy or something ?--Richardb 15:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

 * No, you can be as sarcastic as you like. I just don't think it makes you look particularly good.  Widsith 15:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Well why doesn't someone else also take the argument up against CM's behaviour instead.--Richardb 15:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I just might. His dogged refusal to give up in this debate is utterly ludicrous and obviously done in bad faith. † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 17:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

swigian
Checked, formatted (present active infinitive > present active indicative, 1st sing.), blued. Atelaes 21:06, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Ta. I'll get used to the whole 1st singular thing one day...   (Swigian is such an awesome word...why did it die out??  We don't have any way to say it in modern English..)  Widsith 21:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Spanish
Thanks for the tips; makes it a lot easier. My bad; out of interest, what Spanish dictionary do you use? CloudNine 13:23, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

 * No worries. I have a fat Collins, and a copy of the RAE.  Widsith 13:24, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation of résumé
You seem to have disagreed with some of my pronunciatory changes to résumé. Firstly, according to French phonology, is a dialectal pronunciation of the French ‘r’ grapheme;  is the standard form. Secondly, why are stress markers not given in IPA transcriptions of French words (apparently)? Thirdly, the two ‘é’ s indicate that they are pronounced as, and not as as you edited (you transcribed the theoretical French word “rèsumée”). Fourthly, why did you change the transcription for the ‘u’ from to  — surely you don’t say “reh-zoo-may”? These questions/criticisms notwithstanding, thank you for correcting me concerning the French vowel. † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 16:06, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

 * 1. and  are equally correct; I prefer the first because it's less weird-looking for newcomers, and because being the Parisian form it's proportionally more often encountered on French radio/TV broadcasts, and because it's used by all major French dictionaries.  Change it back if you really feel strongly about it.

 * 2. French words are not stressed; syllables are given equal stress. (If you want to be really picky, some linguists argue that true stresslessness may only be hypothetical; but at any rate stress is certainly not phonemic in French.)

 * 3. I'm well aware how the French word is pronounced. What I was changing was the English pronunciation.   is not a phoneme in English (except as part of a diphthong).

 * 4. I'm more open to persuasion on this one.  I've heard it pronounced either way.  Widsith 21:32, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I’ve replied to you on my talk page. † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 16:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I’ve replied to you twice on my talk page (in re résumé and dénouement). † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 00:13, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I’ve replied to you twice on my talk page. † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 22:15, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Could you continue discussing it on my talk page please? † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 16:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

two things
How does my pronunciation for intercrural look now? I've split the RP and US versions.

BTW, since Atelaes seems to have vanished (at least for a time), I'll alert you to the fact that the July WOTD entries have been selected and many of them have Etymology sections that could use expert help. --EncycloPetey 22:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Looks good to me, well, as long as you don't mind the s.... I will definitely have a look at the WOTDs.  Widsith 22:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Possessive forms exclusion WT:VOTE rewritten and restarted
I have rewritten and restarted the vote, having attempted to reword the proposal to address the issues that people have raised. You may want to reread the proposal and reconsider your vote. † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 20:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry this took me so long. Atelaes 22:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Also, concerning -machy: The etymology looks fine to me, but is this really a productive English suffix? Because, I guess it seems to me that it should only get an entry if it is.  Atelaes 22:48, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I think so. sciamachy and theomachy are two that come instantly to mind, and certain writers coin words based on this suffix quite a lot - Will Self for example.  Widsith 09:32, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

cafiche
I know it for sure for Chile. RAE says Chile (but might be incorrect).Matthias Buchmeier 17:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The term originates from Lunfardo (Buenos Aires gangster slang of the 19th century). I dont know exactly which forms are today in use in which countries, but I have done some googling and have added the possible countries I found.Matthias Buchmeier 11:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

template:en-noun and regular possessive forms of modern English nouns
There is currently an active vote at [] regarding whether regular possessive forms of modern English nouns should have their own entries or not. As part of this it has been suggested that the template might be modified to show the possessive forms in the inflection line of modern English noun entries (irrespective of the outcome of the vote). Your comments and/or votes are welcome until the end of the vote on 5th August 2007. You are receiving this note as you have edited template:en-noun and/or template talk:en-noun Thryduulf 17:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Tea room "OED updates"
I don't understand why you think this is OK. Is your assumption that you can't be prosecuted in England? What you are doing can undermine (destroy/eliminate) all of en.wiktionary, even if that assumption is valid. --Connel MacKenzie 21:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Sorry, what's the problem exactly? Widsith 09:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia used to have lists like these on topics it was missing from EB, Encarta, etc. However, a while ago (back in 2005, actually; should I be embarassed for remembering this?) they were all deleted as copyvios, and particularly dangerous ones, at Jimbo's recommendation. I can't find a great diff, but this one should do: . Basically, not only is this taking a word list unique to a particular copyrighted work (and therefore probably part of their creative work), we are taking it from a competitor and improving our competing work based on it, so they can easily claim monetary damages. Note w:Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles only draws on public domain lists now. Dmcdevit·t 10:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I see. Well, we'd better remove it then.  I've also asked BD what he thinks of it all, as he has legal training.  Widsith 11:19, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

 * By the way, I'd like to apologize for my harsh tone at first. You very clearly thought that adding that list would be helpful.  That is, after all, an understandable error.  --Connel MacKenzie 21:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

 * No worries. Widsith 07:20, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

wynn and eth
Hi. About Old English, q.v., indicates that it'd be a lot of work to add duplicate articles with eths and wynns. I'm more familiar with WP than with Wiktionary, so maybe bots aren't used here, or not much, but on WP something like that'd be a great job for a bot. What about here? —msh210 14:59, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, it's a possibility. Maybe all words with thorns in could generate an eth entry which used an  template.  As it happens though I'm about the only editor working in OE, and I know nothing about bots.  But if you'd like to get involved, feel free - come up with a bot proposal and then I think you have to submit it for approval at the Grease Pit.  Widsith 07:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not me. I know nothing about writing or running a bot, and haven't the time to learn. But if having duplicate articles interests you enough, you can put out a general call to those who know how to write and run bots, I suppose. (It does not interest me enough.  ) (You can respond here instead of at my talk page: I'll monitor this page for a couple of weeks or until you respond, which comes first.) —msh210 19:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Well, I don't think it's really a priority. Most OE users are used to using thorns for eths etc. because that is how all the print dictionaries work.  It's probably something for a future date; I'm not going to worry about it until we've got much more of the basic vocabulary in the system.  Widsith 07:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

gunt
Why did you remove this word? Just because you live in England it doesn't give you the right to delete legitimate USA English slang terms.

 * Quite. I did a search for the term on a few websites and found little apart from Urban dictionary. I therefore suspected it didn't meet our criteria for inclusion. But if you feel strongly about it I'll reinstate it and offer it up to the requests for verification process. Rather obviously where I live is not relevant to any of this by the way. Widsith 16:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Hi, I live in the USA. This is not a "legitimate USA English slang" term. Cheers! bd2412 T 16:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I have re-deleted this term. As an American, I think it is beyond specious to defend your actions by claiming that someone from the UK is ignorant of US slang.  Widsith most certainly is not.  --Connel MacKenzie 17:27, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Tesh
Seeing as you added dezh to the edit tools, could you add tesh too please? † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 15:47, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

 * OK. Widsith 15:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks. † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 15:53, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

IPA combo characters
Please do not add combination characters to the Edittools. Their existence and use will screw up both pronunciations and rhymes links, as well as text searches. --EncycloPetey 17:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Eh? How will it screw up pronunciations?  Or text searches??  Widsith 17:02, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Please see the lengthy discussions we've been going round and round on. I don't understand all the technical issues myself, but Dijan does as he's had to campain over and over again with this in regards to Dutch and Croatian combo-letters.  The Rhymes pages use IPA in their page names.  If we use two different possible sets of IPA charatcers for the same pronunciation, we're going to run into all kinds of linking headahces.  I've already had to deal with this a number of times, where a character in an IPA pronunciation wasn't the precise one used on the associated Rhymes page, and it is a pain to figure out which one it is in order to get the links to work properly.  As far as searched do, the search functions do not recognize dezh as the same as its component parts.  A search for one string of IPA characters only yields returns for an exact match.  If we use two different strings of charatcers for the same sound, then each search has to be doubled or more with each possible string of characters, even when the appearance of the synmbol string looks the same to the user's eye.  --EncycloPetey 17:10, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

 * [gives up..] Widsith 17:11, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

 * EncycloPetey, I really don’t think this is as big a deal as it is made out to be. Tesh and dezh are sufficiently different from “tee + esh” and “dee + ezh” to be noticeable (consider: & ) — something which, I grant you, cannot be said of the Dutch and Croatian ligatures (consider: [ Ĳ·IJ ] & [ ĳ·ij ]; [ Ǉ·LJ ] & [ ǉ·lj ]; [ Ǌ·NJ ] & [ ǌ·nj ]). (–Hmm… seeing them now, Ǉ/LJ and Ǌ/NJ are also notably different…) Furthermore, note that we already have  — can that character honestly be said to be more different from  than tesh and dezh are from their digraph equivalents (consider: )? Sure, this is a matter of technical correctness, in which case we ought to be proscribing  &, not tesh and dezh. Finally, consider just how similar some English letters are to one another: [ I·l ], [ D·O·Q ], and [ C·G ], for example — learning to distinguish them is just a matter of practice. † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 18:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree you probably don't think it as big a deal as it is. Ligatures that actively break searches and linking cannot be used in entry titles.  While some progress has been made not to break XML dumps (for example) due simply by the presence of the nj ligature in an entry, most ancillary software (like various special pages, almost all external software on the toolserver and almost all external software on mirror sites) does now break as a result of those being passed through in the wrong Unicode code-set, or truncated.  I appreciate that you'd like to disrupt as much of that as you can.  I applaud your copious use of diacritics, macrons and ligatures in your own comments, to foil topical searches of discussion pages.  You cover your tracks well.  I'll admit, it wasn't obvious earlier, that that is why you usually do that.  --Connel MacKenzie 16:33, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

 * EncycloPetey’s argument against these ligatures is different from yours. Whilst he cites human error as his chief reason, you argue that there are technical problems (which I do not understand, and which I do not expect that you will endeavour to make clear to me). I have answered his concerns (I’m unsure if I’ve addressed them — I await a reply to find that out) hereinbefore. As for yours: you have yet to prove that the use tesh and dezh  cause any more technical problems than,  (both of which would need to be used in place of tesh and dezh), or any other IPA characters do; until you prove that, your arguments are invalid against their being used. The rest of what you write is addressed by User:Doremítzwr/Connel 1. † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 20:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

 * EncycloPetey's argument is also different from mine. Tesh and dezh are also very anglo-centric. You know more about pronunciations than I do, so you should know that other languages (Mandarin that I know of) have numerous tee and dee combinations. Just leave it simple. DAVilla 08:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

CheckUser
Hi, I was wondering if you'd consider accepting a nomination for CheckUser. It's a fairly technical role, but we need trustworthy people to occassionally accept responsibility with that kind of information, and you are someone whom the community can trust. Let me know how you feel about it, and thanks! DAVilla 08:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

CheckUsers "are able to inspect certain IP information pertaining to accused sock puppets and other disruptive use". They complete requests to identify such users. DAVilla 08:40, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks but I'll say no. Personally I think users should have the right to create "sockpuppets" if they want to and I've never been entirely sure why it's frowned upon.  Obviously I support any attempt to block disruptive users, whether they are socks or not.  Also I'm not sure I'm comfortable looking into people's details like that.  But why not nominate yourself?  The community trusts you; I'd certainly vote for you.  Widsith 09:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Besides the curse of self-nominations, I feel there are several people here who would vote in opposition, so I'm not pushing for it.
 * Actually, sockpuppets are allowed. What's frowned upon is thier use in disruptive behavior ranging from a foolishly silly staged argument with oneself, to a more serious breach of double voting, to the vandalous circumvention of blocks via new account registration. A CheckUser determines if two accounts belong to the same person only if there is good reason for doing so. Other requests are simply rejected. Somehow I would doubt that anyone has ever been blocked for talking to themselves.
 * Let me know if that changes your mind, although I really haven't got any answer for uneasiness with personal information. DAVilla 10:57, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Scots
I replied to you on my talk page. ᏁᏍᎧᏯֶ talk 10:28, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Link
I placed the link to Wikipedia that way because it was advised on my talk page. :) Best regards Rhanyeia 13:41, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Scots again
So a question for you. I'm sitting at my computer basically thinking of what to do, and my mind is telling me that sae would be the correct spelling for Scots for so. However, with the finickyness that Scots spellings can be and the way people caa over them when they aren't quite the right way, I was reluctant to add the entry. Perhaps you could let me know if this seems like the right spelling to you? --Neskaya talk 07:07, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It would looks about right to me, and it can be references also to the DSL, BTW I created a reference template to use for any entries where we references the DSL. --Williamsayers79 07:52, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Yep, sae is definitely good! Of course, Scots uses so as well, although it seems to be in different contexts - mainly in collocations like "he did such-and-such, so he did" and things like that. Widsith 10:11, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

in a hurry
Hi. I sometimes confuse adverb and adjective forms in these kind of phrases. Especially if I'm working in a hurry. Thanks for the correction. ;-) -- Algrif 15:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hehe, no worries. Widsith 15:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Freemason
Hi, as per this edit, I was wondering if I could ask you not to change into  without also providing a gloss, even if there is only one definition. Category:Translation table header lacks gloss is not supposed to have any entries. Thanks! DAVilla 19:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh OK, I won't bother with it. Widsith 08:52, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

menorah
Where did you get the pronunciation for menorah from? That's one translation of the Hebrew word (used by some Ashkenazi Jews), but I doubt anyone would pronounce the English word that way.—msh210 ℠ 18:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC) Oh, nevermind, I misread the lengthening colon as a vowel (front mid-high unrounded). Sorry.—msh210 ℠ 18:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

proper nouns
Hi Widsith, you seem like an intelligent sort of user. Could you tell me what the deal with proper nouns is in Wiktionary? Other dictionaries have all sorts of different criteria for which proper nouns are included or not. Thanks, --Istolethepresidentslunchbox 09:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

 * You will be OK with well-known cities. After that things get into a grey area.  On place-names, see the recently-suspended vote at Votes/pl-2007-05/Placenames_2.  Whether or not to include brand names is being voted on at the moment - see WT:VOTE.  If in doubt, just stick it in and if there is a problem it will go through our WT:RFV process.  Widsith 09:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

creature & creäture
Hi Widsith. Please reply to my question here. Also, to me, obsolete means “superseded by a more recent sense wherewith the older sense is likely to be confused if used” (like wold and committee). Creäture has a specific, chiefly literary, usage, and one not served by any other word. Granted, it may warrant an “archaic” or “chiefly archaic” tag. † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 17:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

 * I and Ruakh (who initially agreed with you) have come to agreement regarding the usage note. However, he has explicitly asked for, and I would also appreciate, your expressed agreement (or otherwise). † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 01:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation of guillemet
Korg recently changed the IPA pronunciation transcription given for guillemet, claiming that the terminal vowel in the French French pronunciation is, as it is in Québécois French, rather than. I initially added those pronunciations as they were given on Wikipedia — which source he also changed to match shortly thereafter. Is it he or is it the information originally given in the Wikipedia article which is correct? † ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 23:08, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Certainly it is pronounced as in French, yeah - but how you'd do the pronunciation in English I have no idea.  Is this word ever used in English?  I've never come across it.  But yeah, in French that looks OK.  A good place to check French pronunciations is the Trésor.  Widsith 08:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I now have Trésor de la Langue Française bookmarked for such events in future. It is used in English, albeit not always correctly, but I don’t know of any extant Anglophone pronunciation. † ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 09:52, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

NT Link
OK, now what is wrong with the wiki link on the NT page?

 * It's just not what we normally do. I've added a Wikipedia link to the definition line, hopefully that's a suitable compromise.  Widsith 11:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

No, I have a long list of pages that you have allowed to have a full dedicated page just to that company just because they have a few exceptions; you could at least give me the ability to put a wiki icon on the page to make it look nice. 68.55.199.32 11:32, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

 * We normally only add the wiki icon when the whole page is about that particular thing. For initialisms, it gives undue prominence to one meaning over the others.  You've already put it at the top of the list!  There is no problem with linking to the 'Pedia entry within the definition so I suggest you leave it at that.  It would also help your case if you registered an account here.  We are not picking on Nortel, we are just trying to apply the tenets of WT:CFI.  It is a continuing debate which you are welcome to contribute to, but taking offence and reverting admins is not a good approach.  Widsith 11:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I had an account - You (a admin) blocked it, I have also had several IP addresses blocked during this debate.

 * Oh, ha! I didn't realise.  Obviously I'm not up to speed on the history of this.  I can only reiterate that we are going by our Criteria for Inclusion, and Nortel probably does not qualify.  Again, linking to the Wikipedia article is fine within a def line on NT, but a box is not suitable here.  I hope you'll rejoin the debate once your block has expired.  Widsith 11:45, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

So correct me if I am wrong - an Initialism page should not have a wikipedia icon when other items are also listed on that page. Is this correct?

If that is true - than what about AOL page? While you are correcting pages; look at JBC, ARM, and IBM.....

 * They can link to Wikipedia pages of the relevant initialism. It is fine to link NT to NT, just not to Nortel.  AOL is a separate case, because it cannot stand for anything else (the other two defs are just jokes based on the company, and should probably be deleted).  Widsith 13:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Great, can you fix them?

 * I've fixed the ones you mentioned, if there are any others then just let me know. Widsith 14:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing the companies that I identified. Ok I am a happy wiki user again. If I find others I will let you know.

IBM = intercontinental ballistic missile?
Is this a British thing, or a dated thing, or something? I've only ever seen "intercontinental ballistic missile" abbreviated ICBM. —Ruakh TALK 15:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

 * For a moment there I wondered if I am, in fact, going mad – but having checked I see that this is also listed at the OED, so I didn't make it up! Even to me, ICBM is commoner though, so maybe this is an older form.  Widsith 12:07, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Osler node
Wow! You are fast! I barely noticed my typo when you fixed it within 90 seconds of the erroneous posting. Thanks! Ben 13:04, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Etymology of hello
Widsith, I'm planning to feature hello as WOTD on the 19th. While doing some research, I've discovered that there are several different and incompatible etymologies given in some of the major dictionaries. Some have it from a Germanic origin, and some from a corruption of Latin illac:. Could you have a look round and (1) determine if one of these etymologies is considered "correct", or (2) provide a summary on the page of the different possibilities? --EncycloPetey 23:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC) PS - The RAE was no help, since Spanish hola apparently derives from the English!

 * Oh, I'd I've found a Mark Twain quote using the word in 1876, which predates the 1884 currently given in the etymology. See the citations page I've started for the word. --EncycloPetey 01:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

 * And now an 1870 citation, so the accreditation to Edison and the use of the telephone is clearly not true. --EncycloPetey 01:25, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Wow, you seem to be having a whole conversation on your own here! The history of hello gets discussed a lot; the Edison story is definitely just a myth but beyond that people disagree. Sticking with what's known, it seems like it's a variant of hallo (or halloa) which is attested much earlier and was used as a kind of exclamation of surprise, as well as a hunting call and in various other circumstances. The OED link hallo to OHG halon ‘to fetch’, but that is by no means usiversally accepted. Widsith 10:09, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Jingzhe pronunciation
Where did you get the Anglicised transcription? Is it a UK pronunciation? Are you sure it’s correct? – seems more similar to between and  than to ; conversely, the spelling (without knowledge of Mandarin) implies. By the way, please correctly format pronunciation sections in future as per WT:ELE. †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 12:43, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Yeah, you can change it if you like. I think you should list the Anglicized version before the Chinese though...  Widsith 12:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I don’t think that there really is an Anglizised pronunciation. Nonetheless, I recognise that most of the IPA characters used for the Chinese pronunciation will be undecipherable for most readers. Furthermore, tonality doesn’t tend to persist in English borrowings from Chinese. Therefore, an Anglicised pronunciatory transcription is necessary. I’ve tried to keep the Anglicised pronunciation as faithful to the original whilst only using characters that appear in English pronunciatory transcriptions (except for the tacks, which aren’t distracting anyway) — what do you think? (Of ?) I list pronunciations in alphabetical order of language; in the case of Jingzhe, I think the order is appropriate, seeing as the Anglicised pronunciation is clearly secondary to the original Chinese. <font style="color:darkred">†  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 13:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

deletion log
Please blank the content was: on offensive or personally directed deletions? There is a website out there that archives our deletion log, and anyone will see it if they try to edit the entry title again. There is an option in WT:PREFS to do this automatically. Robert Ullmann 14:54, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK. Widsith 15:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

toloache
It's correct that toloache is from toloatzin, but I'm not entirely certain that toloatzin is from toloa "to bow the head". --Ptcamn 13:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the tips on the translation headers. I was wondering how to do that! :D Phantommine 16:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

User:Athang1504 and etymologies
After talking with Versageek, I have left him a warning about the continued use of his outdated etymology source: User_talk:Athang1504. If you think this is not appropriate, please let me know. Thanks, ArielGlenn 21:51, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Webster boy and his underlying IP
Hello... I saw that you've blocked the user "Webster boy". Based on his behaviour on the English Wikipedia (see w:User:EverybodyHatesChris and w:User:67.53.130.69) you'll need to block the underlying IP as this user will otherwise just return with a host of alternate names. (Sadly, as Robert, HiDrNick and I among others have learned, you may well be the next target for this user's abuse.) Sorry to have to be the bearer of bad news - please feel free to ask if you have any questiosn about this. I can be reached at w:User talk:Ckatz. Thanks. --Ckatz 10:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I had already reblocked the IP for 6 months. It is on the Road Runner ISP, which fortunately assigns IP addresses semi-permanently. Robert Ullmann 10:33, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

 * OK thanks for the update Rob. Widsith 10:36, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

nudus

 * My apologies. I was unaware, as this was the manner of description used in the Collins Dictionary. Black Velvet 10:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Help with words used in old/middle english sources
Hi, could you fix / tart up hart, vewe, and sodayne as examples of how to do Middle English words on Wiktionary properly.

I am using those words on The Burning Babe as an example of how Wikisource can "use" Wiktionary to host the annotations that would otherwise be necessary to help a predominately Modern English readership understand our Middle English works. We have a new Wikisource contributor who looks seriously motivated to expand our coverage of Middle/Old English poetry, and is looking for options on how best to do this. The user has already started putting images on commons, and I think they will also dive into Wiktionary if shown the way and the benefits.

p.s. I found your username Widsith very interesting, and have started Widsith. Godspeed, John Vandenberg 07:37, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

title: User talk:Widsith/archive3


text:
做鬼

Verb

 * 1)  to die; to become a ghost
 * 2)  to play tricks; to get into mischief

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: 做鬼


text:
風流

Adjective

 * 1) distinguished and admirable; elegant and tasteful
 * 2) talented and unrestrained; outstanding
 * 3) amorous; romantic; relating to affairs
 * 4) loose; dissolute; licentious; promiscuous
 * 1) amorous; romantic; relating to affairs
 * 2) loose; dissolute; licentious; promiscuous
 * 1) loose; dissolute; licentious; promiscuous

Noun

 * 1)  literally, "wind and flow"
 * 2) influence
 * 3) customs; social mores
 * 4) manners; conducts; way of life
 * 5) artistic style; taste; character
 * 1) manners; conducts; way of life
 * 2) artistic style; taste; character
 * 1) artistic style; taste; character
 * 1) artistic style; taste; character

Noun

 * 1) elegance, refinement, grace

Adjective

 * 1) elegant, refined, tasteful

title: 風流


text: 风流

title: 风流


text: manifestargli

title: manifestargli


text: manifestarla

title: manifestarla


text: manifestarle

title: manifestarle


text: manifestarli

title: manifestarli


text: manifestarlo

title: manifestarlo


text: manifestarne

title: manifestarne


text:
marinaresco

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  sailor

title: marinaresco


text:
masso

Noun

 * 1) rock, boulder

title: masso


text:
massoneria

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) Freemasonry

title: massoneria


text:
massonico

Adjective

 * 1) masonic

title: massonico


text:
matassa

Etymology
From, from. Cognate to 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) skein, hank, coil

title: matassa


text:
mesolitico

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) Mesolithic

Noun

 * 1) Mesolithic

title: mesolitico


text:
meticolosità

Noun

 * 1) meticulousness

title: meticolosità


text:
meticoloso

Etymology
.

Adjective

 * 1) meticulous

title: meticoloso


text:
metonimia

Etymology
From, from , from +.

Noun

 * 1) metonymy

Etymology
, from, from +.

Noun

 * 1)  metonymy

Etymology
, from, from +.

Noun

 * 1) metonymy

title: metonimia


text:
miliare

Etymology 1
< <.

Adjective

 * 1)  mile

Etymology 2
.

Adjective

 * 1)  millet
 * 2) characterised/characterized by small blisters

title: miliare


text:
militaresco

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) military

title: militaresco


text:
mingherlino

Adjective

 * 1) thin, skinny

Noun

 * 1)  shrimp (small person)

title: mingherlino


text:
minuziosità

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) meticulousness, attention to detail

title: minuziosità


text:
moccolo

Etymology
, a diminutive of, variant of.

Noun

 * 1) candle-end; top part of a wick
 * 2) snot

title: moccolo


text:
modenese

Etymology
From.

title: modenese


text: molinaro

title: molinaro


text:
mulinaro

Etymology
, from, from , from. ..

Noun

 * 1)  miller

title: mulinaro


text:
astronoomiline ühik

Noun

 * 1)  astronomical unit

title: astronoomiline ühik


text:
valgusaasta

Noun

 * 1)  light year

title: valgusaasta


text:
otoskop

Noun

 * 1)  otoscope

title: otoskop


text:
monile

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) necklace
 * 2) jewel

Etymology
Possibly from. Compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) necklace, collar
 * 2)  jewel(s)

title: monile


text:
seniit

Noun

 * 1)  zenith

title: seniit


text: Template:RQ:Twain Huckleberry Finn

title: Template:RQ:Twain Huckleberry Finn


text:
pöörijoon

Noun

 * 1) tropic

title: pöörijoon


text:
polaarjoon

Noun

 * 1) polar circle

title: polaarjoon


text:
kääne

Noun

 * 1)  case, grammatical case
 * 2) twist, turn, change of direction
 * 3)  declination
 * 1) twist, turn, change of direction
 * 2)  declination
 * 1)  declination

title: kääne


text:
mordersi

Verb

 * 1) to bite oneself (or part of one's body)
 * 1) to bite oneself (or part of one's body)

title: mordersi


text:
päikesetuul

Noun

 * 1)  solar wind

title: päikesetuul


text:
teleskoop

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  telescope
 * 2)  telescope

title: teleskoop


text: mordermi

title: mordermi


text: morderti

title: morderti


text: morderci

title: morderci


text: mordervi

title: mordervi


text: mordendosi

title: mordendosi


text: mordendomi

title: mordendomi


text: mordendoti

title: mordendoti


text:
terminaator

Noun

 * 1)  terminator (the boundary between day and night)

title: terminaator


text: mordendoci

title: mordendoci


text: mordendovi

title: mordendovi


text: morditi

title: morditi


text: mordiamoci

title: mordiamoci


text: mordetevi

title: mordetevi


text:
kosmoloogia

Noun

 * 1) cosmology

title: kosmoloogia


text: Template:RQ:Twain Tom Sawyer

title: Template:RQ:Twain Tom Sawyer


text:
otoskopie

Noun

 * 1)  otoscopy

title: otoskopie


text:
astronoomia

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) astronomy

title: astronoomia


text: silenziatori

title: silenziatori


text: sillabazioni

title: sillabazioni


text: sillogismi

title: sillogismi


text: simbolizzazioni

title: simbolizzazioni


text:
massi

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  purse, wallet
 * 2)  money
 * 3)  tobacco pouch for rolling tobacco

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) mass quantity of matter cohering together to make one body
 * 2)  mass quantity of matter which a body contains

title: massi


text: massonerie

title: massonerie


text:
Otoskopie

Noun

 * 1) otoscopy

title: Otoskopie


text: mesolitici

title: mesolitici


text:
metonimie

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) metonymy

title: metonimie


text: moccoli

title: moccoli


text: cães

title: cães


text: modenesi

title: modenesi


text: molinari

title: molinari


text:
orbiit

Noun

 * 1)  orbit

title: orbiit


text: monili

title: monili


text: marinaresca

title: marinaresca


text: marinaresche

title: marinaresche


text: massonica

title: massonica


text:
otsetõus

Noun

 * 1)  right ascension

title: otsetõus


text: massonici

title: massonici


text: massoniche

title: massoniche


text: meticolosa

title: meticolosa


text: meticolosi

title: meticolosi


text: meticolose

title: meticolose


text: miliari

title: miliari


text: cachorros

title: cachorros


text: militaresca

title: militaresca


text:
parallaks

Noun

 * 1)  parallax

title: parallaks


text: militareschi

title: militareschi


text: militaresche

title: militaresche


text: mingherlina

title: mingherlina


text: mingherlini

title: mingherlini


text: mingherline

title: mingherline


text:
paokiirus

Noun

 * 1)  escape velocity

title: paokiirus


text:
bubínek

Noun

 * 1) eardrum
 * 1) eardrum

title: bubínek


text: Template:RQ:Twain Sawyer Abroad

title: Template:RQ:Twain Sawyer Abroad


text:
kovadlinka

Noun

 * 1)  incus

title: kovadlinka


text:
ööpäev

Noun

 * 1) day (24 hour period)

title: ööpäev


text:
kladívko

Noun

 * 1)  malleus
 * 1)  malleus

title: kladívko


text:
třmínek

Noun

 * 1)  stapes

title: třmínek


text:
amööb

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  amoeba
 * 2)  a person with a vague nature

title: amööb


text:
alamliik

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  subspecies

title: alamliik


text:
navata

Noun

 * 1) nave - properly navata centrale
 * 2) aisle - properly navata laterale

title: navata


text:
hõimkond

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  phylum

title: hõimkond


text: Template:RQ:Adams Hitchhiker

title: Template:RQ:Adams Hitchhiker


text: bistouries

title: bistouries


text:
nomea

Noun

 * 1) infamy, notoriety
 * 2)  fame (implying a positive reputation)

title: nomea


text:
nostalgico

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) homesick
 * 2) nostalgic

Noun

 * 1) nostalgic person who longs for the way things were;  someone who hopes for the return of Fascism

title: nostalgico


text:
oculatamente

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) cautiously, prudently
 * 2) shrewdly

title: oculatamente


text:
pertosse

Noun

 * 1)  pertussis, whooping cough

title: pertosse


text:
oculato

Etymology
.

Adjective

 * 1) cautious, prudent
 * 2) shrewd

title: oculato


text:
tosse canina

Noun

 * 1)  whooping cough

title: tosse canina


text:
onomatopeico

Adjective

 * 1) onomatopoeic

title: onomatopeico


text:
onomatopea

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) onomatopoeic

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) onomatopoeia

title: onomatopea


text:
pesatura

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) weighing

title: pesatura


text:
oppositore

Noun

 * 1) opponent

Adjective

 * 1) opposing

title: oppositore


text:
lessicalmente

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) lexically

title: lessicalmente


text:
idéntico

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) identical

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) identical

title: idéntico


text:
índole

Etymology
Borrowed from. Compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) temperament a person’s normal manner of thinking, behaving or reacting

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) type, kind, sort
 * 2) nature, character
 * 1) nature, character

title: índole


text:
legiferare

Etymology
, from.

Verb

 * 1)  to legislate; to pass laws

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) enactment

title: legiferare


text:
legalizzare

Etymology
..

Verb

 * 1) to legalize
 * 2) to authenticate

title: legalizzare


text:
legalizzazione

Etymology
..

Noun

 * 1) legalization

title: legalizzazione


text:
goedje

Noun

 * 1) stuff, liquid, usually said of a drink.
 * 1) stuff, liquid, usually said of a drink.

title: goedje


text:
paranasální dutina

Noun

 * 1)  paranasal sinus

title: paranasální dutina


text: goederen

title: goederen


text:
paranazální dutina

Noun

 * 1)  paranasal sinus

title: paranazální dutina


text:
lanoso

Etymology
From. .

Adjective

 * 1) covered in wool
 * 2)  lanate
 * 3)  lanate
 * 4) woolly
 * 1)  lanate
 * 2) woolly
 * 1) woolly

Etymology
From. .

Adjective

 * 1) woolly made of wool
 * 2) woolly having much wool
 * 3) woolly similar to wool in appearance or texture

Etymology
. Equivalent to.

Adjective

 * 1) woolly

title: lanoso


text:
missiva

Noun

 * 1) missive

Noun

 * 1) missive
 * 2) letter

title: missiva


text:
anfibología

Etymology
, from.

Noun

 * 1) amphibology, amphiboly

title: anfibología


text:
vedlejší dutina

Noun

 * 1)  paranasal sinus

title: vedlejší dutina


text:
vedlejší dutina nosní

Noun

 * 1)  paranasal sinus

title: vedlejší dutina nosní


text:
dci

Etymology
, from.

Noun

 * 1) daughter

title: dci


text:
дъщеря

Etymology
From, from , from.

Noun

 * 1) daughter

title: дъщеря


text:
dcéra

Etymology
, from, from.

title: dcéra


text:
ќерка

Etymology
From earlier, by analogy with the accusative of , from.

Noun

 * 1) daughter

title: ќерка


text: ⰴⱏⱋⰻ

title: ⰴⱏⱋⰻ


text:
tkācer

Etymology
From, from. Cognate with 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) daughter

title: tkācer


text:
ckācar

Etymology
From, from. Cognate with 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) daughter

title: ckācar


text:
θυγατέρα

Etymology
From, from. Cognate with 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1)  daughter

title: θυγατέρα


text:
դուստր

Noun

 * 1) daughter

Usage notes
Colloquially is used much more often.

Etymology
From. The plural is from plural nominative.

Noun

 * 1) daughter

title: դուստր


text: legiferando

title: legiferando


text:
legiferante

Adjective

 * 1)  of legal processes

title: legiferante


text: legiferato

title: legiferato


text: legiferati

title: legiferati


text: legiferata

title: legiferata


text: legifero

title: legifero


text: legiferi

title: legiferi


text:
legifera

Etymology
.

Verb

 * 1) to legislate

title: legifera


text: legiferiamo

title: legiferiamo


text:
legiferate

Verb

 * 1)  To make law.

Synonyms

 * legislate

title: legiferate


text: legiferano

title: legiferano


text: legiferavo

title: legiferavo


text: legiferavi

title: legiferavi


text: legalizzando

title: legalizzando


text: legalizzante

title: legalizzante


text: legiferava

title: legiferava


text: legalizzato

title: legalizzato


text: legiferavamo

title: legiferavamo


text: legiferavate

title: legiferavate


text: legalizzati

title: legalizzati


text: legiferavano

title: legiferavano


text: legalizzata

title: legalizzata


text: legiferai

title: legiferai


text: legiferasti

title: legiferasti


text: legalizzo

title: legalizzo


text: legiferò

title: legiferò


text: legalizzi

title: legalizzi


text: legiferammo

title: legiferammo


text: legalizza

title: legalizza


text: legalizziamo

title: legalizziamo


text: legiferaste

title: legiferaste


text: legiferarono

title: legiferarono


text: legalizzate

title: legalizzate


text: legifererò

title: legifererò


text: legalizzano

title: legalizzano


text: legalizzavo

title: legalizzavo


text: legifererai

title: legifererai


text: legifererà

title: legifererà


text: legalizzavi

title: legalizzavi


text: legalizzava

title: legalizzava


text: legifereremo

title: legifereremo


text: legifererete

title: legifererete


text: legalizzavamo

title: legalizzavamo


text: legifereranno

title: legifereranno


text: legalizzavate

title: legalizzavate


text: legifererei

title: legifererei


text: legalizzavano

title: legalizzavano


text: legifereresti

title: legifereresti


text: legifererebbe

title: legifererebbe


text: legalizzai

title: legalizzai


text: legifereremmo

title: legifereremmo


text: legalizzasti

title: legalizzasti


text: legiferereste

title: legiferereste


text: legalizzò

title: legalizzò


text: legifererebbero

title: legifererebbero


text: legalizzammo

title: legalizzammo


text: legiferiate

title: legiferiate


text: legiferino

title: legiferino


text: legiferassi

title: legiferassi


text: legalizzaste

title: legalizzaste


text: legiferasse

title: legiferasse


text: legalizzarono

title: legalizzarono


text: legiferassimo

title: legiferassimo


text: legiferassero

title: legiferassero


text: legalizzerò

title: legalizzerò


text: legalizzerai

title: legalizzerai


text: legalizzerà

title: legalizzerà


text: legalizzeremo

title: legalizzeremo


text: legalizzerete

title: legalizzerete


text: legalizzeranno

title: legalizzeranno


text: legalizzerei

title: legalizzerei


text: legalizzeresti

title: legalizzeresti


text: legalizzerebbe

title: legalizzerebbe


text: legalizzeremmo

title: legalizzeremmo


text: legalizzereste

title: legalizzereste


text: legalizzerebbero

title: legalizzerebbero


text: legalizziate

title: legalizziate


text: legalizzino

title: legalizzino


text: legalizzassi

title: legalizzassi


text: legalizzasse

title: legalizzasse


text: legalizzassimo

title: legalizzassimo


text: legalizzassero

title: legalizzassero


text:
originalità

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) originality
 * 2) eccentricity, oddness

title: originalità


text:
لور

Etymology 1
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1)  whey cheese

Noun

 * 1)  the  people of southwestern Iran

Noun

 * 1) Oriental hornbeam

Etymology 1
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) whey cheese, a dairy product made of whey

Etymology 2
From.

Noun

 * 1) one of the  people of southwestern Iran

Etymology 1
From earlier *lúγdar, from.

Noun

 * 1) daughter

Etymology 2
From, from. Compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) sickle

Noun

 * 1) whey cheese, a dairy product made of whey

Noun

 * 1)  sacred fig

title: لور


text:
ozioso

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) idle
 * 2) lazy, slothful
 * 3) inactive

Noun

 * 1) idler

title: ozioso


text:
User:KYPark/Hanja words

檢

 * 檢擧	(검거, geom)	けんきょ
 * 檢尿	(검뇨, geom)	けんにょう
 * 檢脈	(검맥, geom)	けんみゃく
 * 檢問	(검문, geom)	けんもん
 * 檢便	(검변, geom)	けんべん
 * 檢査	(검사, geom)	けんさ
 * 檢事	(검사, geom)	けんじ
 * 檢算	(검산, geom)	けんざん
 * 檢索	(검색, geom)	けんさく
 * 檢束	(검속, geom)	けんそく
 * 檢視	(검시, geom)	けんし
 * 檢眼	(검안, geom)	けんがん
 * 檢案	(검안, geom)	けんあん
 * 檢疫	(검역, geom)	けんえき
 * 檢閱	(검열, geom)	けんえつ
 * 檢溫	(검온, geom)	けんおん
 * 檢認	(검인, geom)	けんにん
 * 檢印	(검인, geom)	けんいん
 * 檢字	(검자, geom)	けんじ
 * 檢定	(검정, geom)	けんてい
 * 檢證	(검증, geom)	けんしょう
 * 檢地	(검지, geom)	けんち
 * 檢知	(검지, geom)	けんち
 * 檢診	(검진, geom)	けんしん
 * 檢車	(검차, geom)	けんしゃ
 * 檢札	(검찰, geom)	けんさつ
 * 檢察	(검찰, geom)	けんさつ
 * 檢出	(검출, geom)	けんしゅつ
 * 檢針	(검침, geom)	けんしん
 * 檢體	(검체, geom)	けんたい
 * 檢討	(검토, geom)	けんとう
 * 檢波	(검파, geom)	けんぱ
 * 檢品	(검품, geom)	けんぴん

劍
See: 劍

title: User:KYPark/Hanja words


text: dactylograms

title: dactylograms


text:
λογδα

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) daughter

title: λογδα


text: Category:Bactrian nouns

title: Category:Bactrian nouns


text: Category:Bactrian language

title: Category:Bactrian language


text:
pagliaio

Etymology
From, or from.

Noun

 * 1) haystack

title: pagliaio


text:
paleolitico

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) Paleolithic

title: paleolitico


text:
𐊋𐊂𐊀𐊗𐊕𐊀

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) daughter

title: 𐊋𐊂𐊀𐊗𐊕𐊀


text:
pallino

Etymology 1
From.

Noun

 * 1)  cue ball
 * 2) jack (bowls)
 * 3) pellet (from a gun)
 * 4) dot (pattern)
 * 5) craze, obsession
 * 6) knack

title: pallino


text: mud room

title: mud room


text: mud rooms

title: mud rooms


text:
دخت

Etymology
From, from. Doublet of, which is from the (early) Middle Persian oblique case, while is from the direct case.

Noun

 * 1) daughter
 * 2) virgin
 * 3) ability, strength

title: دخت


text: Category:Pragmatics

title: Category:Pragmatics


text:
rakk

Etymology 1
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬. The definition of 'cell' was gained in literary language.

Noun

 * 1)  cell
 * 2) The smallest structural and functional unit of a living organism, which is able to function by itself.
 * 3) blister
 * 4)  The nest of a hornet or a wasp.
 * 1) blister
 * 2)  The nest of a hornet or a wasp.

Etymology 2
Borrowed either through or directly from, which the Low German term is borrowed from. Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 and Modern 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1)  parrel
 * 2) A piece of metal or rope for keeping a yard or gaff attached to the mast of a ship.

Etymology 3
Borrowed from. Compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) small dog

Noun

 * 1) younger sibling

title: rakk


text:
aatom

Etymology 1
From, from , from , from.

Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1)  breath

Etymology 2
Borrowed from, from , from.

Noun

 * 1)  moment, instant

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1)  atom

title: aatom


text:
anatoomia

Noun

 * 1) anatomy

title: anatoomia


text:
meditsiin

Noun

 * 1) medicine

title: meditsiin


text:
verschwenden

Etymology
From, from. A causative formation derived from German, Old High German. Thus, the original meaning is "to make disappear".

Verb

 * 1)  to waste, to squander

title: verschwenden


text:
𒁺𒌓𒋻𒊑𒅀𒋾𒅀𒀸

Etymology
From plus a suffix, from. According to Kloekhorst, it is a borrowing from.

Noun
(genitive singular)

 * 1) of a female functionary

title: 𒁺𒌓𒋻𒊑𒅀𒋾𒅀𒀸


text:
biokeemia

Noun

 * 1) biochemistry

title: biokeemia


text:
evolutsioon

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  evolution

title: evolutsioon


text:
Verschwendung

Noun

 * 1)  waste

title: Verschwendung


text:
geneetika

Noun

 * 1) genetics

title: geneetika


text:
histoloogia

Noun

 * 1)  histology

title: histoloogia


text:
tohter

Etymology
From. .

Noun

 * 1)  doctor, healer

Etymology
From. Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) daughter

Descendants

 * Italian Walser:, ,
 * Udinese:, ,
 * Udinese:, ,
 * Udinese:, ,
 * Udinese:, ,
 * Udinese:, ,

Etymology
From. Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) daughter

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) daughter

Related terms

 * tehtela (diminutive of tohter)

title: tohter


text:
panegirico

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) panegyric, screed

title: panegirico


text:
paniere

Etymology 1
, made up of.

Noun

 * 1) basket, barge
 * 2) pannier
 * 3)  market basket

title: paniere


text:
parafrasare

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to paraphrase

title: parafrasare


text: parafrasando

title: parafrasando


text: parafrasante

title: parafrasante


text: parafrasato

title: parafrasato


text: parafrasati

title: parafrasati


text: parafrasata

title: parafrasata


text: parafraso

title: parafraso


text:
parafrasi

Noun

 * 1) paraphrase

title: parafrasi


text: parafrasa

title: parafrasa


text: parafrasiamo

title: parafrasiamo


text: parafrasate

title: parafrasate


text: parafrasano

title: parafrasano


text: parafrasavo

title: parafrasavo


text: parafrasavi

title: parafrasavi


text: parafrasava

title: parafrasava


text: parafrasavamo

title: parafrasavamo


text: parafrasavate

title: parafrasavate


text: parafrasavano

title: parafrasavano


text: parafrasai

title: parafrasai


text: parafrasasti

title: parafrasasti


text: parafrasò

title: parafrasò


text: parafrasammo

title: parafrasammo


text: parafrasaste

title: parafrasaste


text: parafrasarono

title: parafrasarono


text: parafraserò

title: parafraserò


text: parafraserai

title: parafraserai


text: parafraserà

title: parafraserà


text: parafraseremo

title: parafraseremo


text: parafraserete

title: parafraserete


text: parafraseranno

title: parafraseranno


text: parafraserei

title: parafraserei


text: parafraseresti

title: parafraseresti


text: parafraserebbe

title: parafraserebbe


text: parafraseremmo

title: parafraseremmo


text: parafrasereste

title: parafrasereste


text: parafraserebbero

title: parafraserebbero


text:
parodico

Adjective

 * 1) parodic

title: parodico


text: parafrasiate

title: parafrasiate


text: parafrasino

title: parafrasino


text: parafrasassi

title: parafrasassi


text: parafrasasse

title: parafrasasse


text: parafrasassimo

title: parafrasassimo


text: parafrasassero

title: parafrasassero


text:
parodistico

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) parodic

title: parodistico


text:
parodicamente

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) parodically

title: parodicamente


text:
User talk:Dweller

Please contact me via my English Wikipedia talk page.

You might as well have a re-welcome. SemperBlotto 16:45, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Good morning, I'm writing here in Wikiversity because my IP range was blocked in Wikipedia. You're a bureaucrat, so maybe you could help me. My situation is complicated but my request will be simple. Let me tell you what happened. Now I'm going to speak frankly. I don't think that Ohnoitsjamie's behavior has been correct since the beginning, he's been interfering even after the page had been protected even if he had no reason to do it, and to me it looks like he's more interested in frustrating me than in the sake of the project (why on earth unprotecting a page which continues being disrupted by new and new IPs?!), even if I may be wrong. But I know he isn't the owner of Wikipedia, he's one admin among hundreds. His way to deal with this issue is "his" way, not everybody else would have acted in the same way as him, maybe somebody but not everybody. This is what I'm asking: what can I do to have a fair judgement about this story, to have my name cleared (for him I'm still the vandal who did this and this and all the other similar vandalisms just because one of the vandal's IP ranges matches with mine), to have my IP range unblocked and, possibly, that page protected? I hate the vandal who caused all this to me, so you can imagine how being accused to be him and have to undergo the same punishment as him screws me up. I'm not the vandal, would I ever ask to protect that page from all anonymous if I were the vandal who keeps switching IPs? Ohnoitsjamie is as human as us, he isn't infallible, I'm sure he's a good person but in this case he got wrong and he's persisting in his error. I'd like to be freed from his error, do you have any advice to help me succeed or there's no way this error can be reviewed and remedied? You're a bureaucrat, if a bureaucrat can't help me out of this situation I don't know who I might ask, and what I'm undergoing because of a vandal living in my country and of an admin who was mistaken is now beyond forbearance... I'm sorry for writing so much, but please give me a reply and help me in the limits of what you're able to do, User:Dweller. 151.21.78.77 19:12, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) There's a cross-wiki vandal, probably an LTA, has been disrupting for over almost 2 years the page "Dredg" and other similar pages, not only in the English wiki but also in others.
 * 2) The vandal has been using IP ranges starting with 151, included mine which starts with 151.21, which are Italian IP ranges, quite common in the northern regions.
 * 3) After the latest vandalism, in that case from my same IP range, the user who reverted him last week asked to protect the page.
 * 4) An admin, Ohnoitsjamie, declined the request and, instead, partially blocked that IP range used by the vandal, 151.21.0.0/16, which is mine too.
 * 5) When I noticed that there was a block on my IP range I asked for an unblock, because I'm not that vandal and because, if the goal is "preventing the vandal from disrupting that page", the better solution is "protecting the page" instead of blocking a single IP range and other single IPs, in fact the vandal has continued disrupting it from different IP ranges, but the request was rejected.
 * 6) I asked to semiprotect it in the RFPP page but this request was rejected too, so I asked for "pending changes protection" which was finally granted by an admin.
 * 7) Happy ending? No. Ohnoitsjamie unprotected the page (which was disrupted again, QED) and fully blocked my IP range (after increasing the partial block from 6 months to 2 years which had no meaning at all) so now I can neither request to protect the page nor ask for advice other admins. And nothing that justifies that has been done from this IP range!

title: User talk:Dweller


text:
sis boom bah

Usage notes

 * Often preceded or succeeded by rah rah.

title: sis boom bah


text:
pastasciutta

Noun

 * 1)  pasta

Usage notes

 * This is the sort of pasta, in various shapes, that is boiled in water and eaten with a sauce - rather than the small sort that goes into soups.

title: pastasciutta


text: rahs

title: rahs


text:
azerbejdżański

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  Azerbaijani, of Azerbaijan

title: azerbejdżański


text:
perdizione

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) perdition, damnation

title: perdizione


text:
𐌚𐌖𐌕𐌝𐌓

Etymology
, seemingly relevelled on the genitive stem like it was in 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, etc.

Noun

 * 1) daughter
 * 2)  Genetrix

Quotations

 * 3rd century ,, near :
 * side A, line 4:
 * "osc"

- 𐌚𐌖𐌕𐌓𐌄𐌝 𐌊𐌄𐌓𐌓𐌝𐌉𐌀𐌝 𐌔𐌕𐌀𐌕𐌝𐌚

 * side B, line 30:
 * "osc"

- 𐌚𐌖𐌖𐌕𐌓𐌄𐌝

 * ? , Conway 162, von Planta 180, from :
 * "osc"

- [𐌔𐌀𐌓𐌀𐌊𐌀]𐌊𐌋𐌖𐌌 𐌌𐌀𐌀𐌕𐌓𐌄𐌝𐌔 [...]𐌓𐌀𐌔 𐌚𐌖𐌕𐌓𐌄[𐌝𐌔...]𐌄

 * ? , TEAN-2, in :
 * "osc"

- 𐌄𐌐[...] 𐌋𐌞𐌅𐌊𐌉𐌉𐌞 𐌌𐌉𐌍[...] 𐌚𐌖𐌕𐌝𐌓

title: 𐌚𐌖𐌕𐌝𐌓


text:
perentorio

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) peremptory

Etymology
. Cognate with 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) peremptory
 * 2) decisive, final, absolute
 * 3) urgent, imperative

title: perentorio


text:
fungicidas

Noun

 * 1) fungicide

title: fungicidas


text:
perifrasi

Etymology
From, from , from , derived from , compound of +.

Noun

 * 1) circumlocution, periphrase

title: perifrasi


text:
grybas

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) fungus
 * 2) mushroom

title: grybas


text:
bośniacki

Adjective

 * 1) Bosnian

title: bośniacki


text:
pertica

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) pole, rod
 * 2) beanpole

Etymology
From, (whence also 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬), of  origin. Possibly from, and tentatively compared to 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, though de Vaan dismisses these extra-Italic connections as "[not] even remotely convincing".

Compare.

Noun

 * 1) pole, long staff
 * 2) measuring rod
 * 3)  rod,  the Roman rod of 10ft (about 3m)

Descendants

 * Itali-Romance:
 * Padanian:
 * Northern Gallo-Romance:
 * Southern Gallo-Romance:
 * Nord-Occitan:
 * Ibero-Romance:
 * Borrowings:
 * Northern Gallo-Romance:
 * Southern Gallo-Romance:
 * Nord-Occitan:
 * Ibero-Romance:
 * Borrowings:
 * Nord-Occitan:
 * Ibero-Romance:
 * Borrowings:
 * Nord-Occitan:
 * Ibero-Romance:
 * Borrowings:
 * Ibero-Romance:
 * Borrowings:
 * Borrowings:
 * Borrowings:

title: pertica


text:
paprastoji musmirė

Noun

 * 1)  fly agaric,

title: paprastoji musmirė


text:
kataloński

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  Catalan

Noun

 * 1) Catalan

title: kataloński


text:
συγάτηρ

Etymology
From (compare 🇨🇬), from.

Noun

 * 1)  daughter

title: συγάτηρ


text: katalońska

title: katalońska


text:
baravykas

Noun

 * 1)  bolete

title: baravykas


text: katalońskie

title: katalońskie


text: katalońscy

title: katalońscy


text:
musmirė

Noun

 * 1)  An amanita.

title: musmirė


title: User:Anonymous101/Audio


text:
chiński

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) Chinese

Noun

 * 1) Chinese

title: chiński


text: chińska

title: chińska


text: chińskie

title: chińskie


text:
sinek mantarı

Noun

 * 1)  fly agaric

title: sinek mantarı


text: chińscy

title: chińscy


text:
sarkanā mušmire

Noun

 * 1)  fly agaric a poisonous and psychoactive mushroom species,

title: sarkanā mušmire


text:
mandaryński

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  mandarin

Noun

 * 1) Mandarin, Standard Mandarin

title: mandaryński


text:
vīruss

Noun

 * 1) virus

title: vīruss


text:
fryzyjski

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) Frisian

title: fryzyjski


text: dzīvnieki

title: dzīvnieki


text:
vēsture

Etymology
, derived from (compare ). Its form was influenced by 🇨🇬; Kronvalds cited a word (no longer in use) as a synonym of. The concept of history had previously been expressed as,  (compare 🇨🇬), and, in the mid-19th century, also with the Russian-derived term  (compare ).

Noun

 * 1) history a chain of events, a process seen as evolving in time
 * 2) history the past; past events
 * 3) history the science that studies the development of human societies in time
 * 1) history the past; past events
 * 2) history the science that studies the development of human societies in time
 * 1) history the science that studies the development of human societies in time
 * 1) history the science that studies the development of human societies in time
 * 1) history the science that studies the development of human societies in time
 * 1) history the science that studies the development of human societies in time
 * 1) history the science that studies the development of human societies in time

title: vēsture


text:
reliģija

Noun

 * 1) religion

title: reliģija


text:
ģeoloģija

Etymology
Probably via some other European language, ultimately from, from and.

Noun

 * 1) geology science that studies the composition, structure, and development of the Earth
 * 2) geology the composition, structure, and development of the Earth and its crust, or a part of it
 * 1) geology the composition, structure, and development of the Earth and its crust, or a part of it

title: ģeoloģija


text:
petrogrāfija

Noun

 * 1) petrography scientific description and classification of rocks

title: petrogrāfija


text:
impērija

Etymology
Via other European languages, ultimately borrowed from, made into a 4th declension feminine noun.

Noun

 * 1) empire a monarchic state, especially a large one

title: impērija


text:
Tuvie Austrumi

Proper noun

 * 1) Near East

title: Tuvie Austrumi


text:
Ēģipte

Etymology
Via other European languages, ultimately borrowed from, itself a borrowing from , from (whose Late Egyptian pronunciation is reflected by 🇨🇬), initially referring to Ptah’s temple in the city of Memphis, a capital during the Middle Kingdom.

Proper noun

 * 1)  Egypt civilization which flourished along the Nile river in Antiquity
 * 1)  Egypt civilization which flourished along the Nile river in Antiquity
 * 1)  Egypt civilization which flourished along the Nile river in Antiquity
 * 1)  Egypt civilization which flourished along the Nile river in Antiquity
 * 1)  Egypt civilization which flourished along the Nile river in Antiquity

title: Ēģipte


text: Kaira

title: Kaira


text:
Nīla

Proper noun

 * 1) The Nile river.

title: Nīla


text:
Vidusjūra

Proper noun

 * 1) The Mediterranean Sea.

title: Vidusjūra


text: čehu

title: čehu


text:
gruziński

Adjective

 * 1)  Georgian, of Georgia

Noun

 * 1) Georgian

title: gruziński


text: dāņu

title: dāņu


text:
nīderlandiešu

Noun

title: nīderlandiešu


text:
angļu

Adjective

 * 1) English

title: angļu


text:
indonezyjski

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) Indonesian

Noun

 * 1) Indonesian

title: indonezyjski


text:
kurdyjski

Adjective

 * 1) Kurdish

title: kurdyjski


text: kurdyjska

title: kurdyjska


text: kurdyjskie

title: kurdyjskie


text: kurdyjscy

title: kurdyjscy


text:
User:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling

See my user page User:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling in Wiktionary's sister encyclopedia project, Wikipedia.

title: User:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling


text:
macedoński

Adjective

 * 1) Macedonian

Noun

 * 1) Macedonian

title: macedoński


text:
mongolski

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  Mongolian; of Mongolia

Adjective

 * 1) Mongolian
 * 2)  the Mongolian language

Adverb

 * 1) in a Mongolian manner, as a Mongolian

Adjective

 * 1) Mongolian

title: mongolski


text:
expédition

Etymology
From expeditio.

Noun

 * 1) the act of expediting or hurrying
 * 2) expedition, excursion
 * 3) shipping, delivery of goods

title: expédition


text:
brazylijski

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) Brazilian

title: brazylijski


text:
szkocki

Adjective

 * 1) Scottish

title: szkocki


text:
tajski

Adjective

 * 1) Thai

Noun

 * 1) Thai

Adjective

 * 1) Thai (referring to Thai people or Thai language)
 * 2)  the Thai language

title: tajski


text:
common good

Noun

 * 1) The general interest of the population as a whole.
 * 2)  A good that is rivalrous and nonexcludable.
 * 3)  The corporate property of a burgh in Scotland.
 * 1)  The corporate property of a burgh in Scotland.
 * 1)  The corporate property of a burgh in Scotland.
 * 1)  The corporate property of a burgh in Scotland.

Translations

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Danish: almenvel
 * Finnish: yleinen hyvä
 * French: bien commun
 * German: ,
 * Italian: bene comune
 * Japanese:
 * Polish: dobro wspólne
 * Portuguese: bem comum
 * Russian: о́бщее бла́го
 * Spanish: bien comúm

 * Finnish: yhteishyödyke, yhteinen hyvä, yhteinen omaisuus
 * French:
 * Italian: risorse comuni

title: common good


text:
tajlandzki

Adjective

 * 1) Thai

title: tajlandzki


text:
tel quel

Etymology
Compare 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) as is, as it is (as they are, etc.)

title: tel quel


text:
public interest

Noun

 * 1) Common good.

Usage notes

 * Often expressed as the prepositional phrase in the public interest.

Translations

 * Hungarian:

title: public interest


text:
Template:ga-conj-1a

conjugation of (first conjugation – A) * indirect relative † archaic or dialect form

title: Template:ga-conj-1a


text:
tamilski

Adjective

 * 1)  Tamil

Adjective

 * 1) Tamil
 * 2)  the Tamil language

title: tamilski


text:
tybetański

Adjective

 * 1) Tibetan

Noun

 * 1) Tibetan

title: tybetański


text: Atēnas

title: Atēnas


text: Atėnai

title: Atėnai


text: Stokholma

title: Stokholma


text:
turecki

Etymology 1
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  Turkish

Noun

 * 1) Turkish

Etymology 2
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  Turek

title: turecki


text:
Baltijas jūra

Proper noun

 * 1) The Baltic Sea.

title: Baltijas jūra


text:
ujgurski

Adjective

 * 1) Uyghur

title: ujgurski


text:
galvaspilsēta

Etymology
From, a calque of 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) capital city

title: galvaspilsēta


text: pealinnad

title: pealinnad


text:
wietnamski

Adjective

 * 1) Vietnamese

Noun

 * 1) Vietnamese

title: wietnamski


text:
Maskava

Etymology
From

title: Maskava


text:
Krievija

Etymology
From.

title: Krievija


text:
Citations:blurst

Meaning unknown...
 * 1) * 1974, James F. Hoy, John L. Somer - The Language Experience - Page 200
 * But what was the function, the "it" of the blurst ...
 * And this was an important example of why the blurst ...
 * ...blurst condriction...

Jocular interpretation of worst
 * 1) 2005, Chris Turner - Planet Simpson: How a Cartoon Masterpiece Defined a Generation
 * a room containing a thousand monkeys banging away at a thousand typewriters (one has thus far come up with "It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times")
 * 1) 2010, Dan Heuser - Newsobserver: Good, bad and blurst
 * This was indeed the blurst tomato year I've ever had.
 * 1) 2013, Josh Kurp - Uproxx: The 15 Best And Blurst Moments From The 2013 Emmys

Referencing jocular interpretation of worst (assumably)
 * 1) * 2005, Rhiannon Guy, Emma Jones - The Shakespeare Companion
 * That is according to the blurst of times' as the opening sen- Infinite-Monkey Theorem.

Meaning unknown... (possibly burst?)
 * 1) * 1950, Feike Feikema - The Brother - Page 360
 * have felt toward the artist-amongst-workers idea had been drained off by Jack Dagger's blurst.

burst
 * 1) * 1951, Frederick Feikema Manfred - The Giant - Page 79
 * The moment the searing coffee touched his lip Ring let out a blurst of air ...

title: Citations:blurst


text:
walijski

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) Welsh

Noun

 * 1) Welsh

title: walijski


text:
celtycki

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) Celtic

title: celtycki


text: celtycka

title: celtycka


text: celtyckie

title: celtyckie


text:
Hongaria

Etymology
From. Compare with the Latin-borrowed.

title: Hongaria


text: celtyccy

title: celtyccy


text:
Pulau Man

Proper noun

 * 1) The Isle of Man.

Proper noun

 * 1) The Isle of Man.

title: Pulau Man


text:
bretoński

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) Breton

Noun

 * 1) Breton

title: bretoński


text:
Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/swésōr

Etymology
Possibly from, from in an exogamous society, or from.

Noun

 * 1)  sister

Descendants

 * (< *swésorm̥)
 * (< *swésorm̥)
 * (< *swésorm̥)
 * (< *swésorm̥)
 * (< *swésorm̥)
 * (< *swésorm̥)
 * (< *swésorm̥)
 * (< *swésorm̥)
 * (< *swésorm̥)
 * (< *swésorm̥)
 * (< *swésorm̥)

*suésōr fr:Reconstruction:indo-européen_commun/*swésōr


text:
szwajcarski

Adjective

 * 1) Swiss

title: szwajcarski


text:
Eropa Timur

Proper noun

 * 1) The Eastern Europe.

title: Eropa Timur


text:
Eropa

Etymology
From, from , from , from.

title: Eropa


text:
Eropah

Etymology
, from.

Etymology
From, from.

Proper noun

 * 1) Europe

title: Eropah


text:
Laut Baltik

Proper noun

 * 1) The Baltic Sea.

title: Laut Baltik


text:
letcha

Etymology
From.

Contraction

 * 1)  Let you.
 * I letcha do it.

title: letcha


text:
Laut Utara

Proper noun

 * 1) The North Sea.

Proper noun

 * 1) The North Sea.

title: Laut Utara


text:
hố đen

Etymology
. Compare.

title: hố đen


text: Template:ga-mut-lenition-verb

title: Template:ga-mut-lenition-verb


text:
palavakivi

Etymology
Compound of.

Noun

 * 1) oil shale

title: palavakivi


text:
connosco

Etymology
From, , , from +. is attested in the Appendix Probi as a 'vulgar' form of. Displaced Old Portuguese.

Adverb

 * 1) with us

Etymology 1
From Latin +.

Pronoun

 * 1)  with us

title: connosco


text:
convosco

Etymology
From, from , the latter from , from.

Pronoun

 * 1) with you (plural)

Etymology
From, from , the latter from , from.

Adverb

 * 1) with you (plural)

Usage notes

 * Despite the fact the pronoun is used in only a few dialects of Portugal,  is used in the whole country.
 * In Brazil, became  outside archaic and liturgical occasions, like in most dialects of Portugal, but the other forms (,  and ) disappeared too.

title: convosco