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passatoia
Felice anno nuovo! (time for an archive)

My bilingual dictionary says that passatoia means heavy-duty carpet for the stairs or a hall - but I can't find confirmation online. Any ideas? SemperBlotto 11:04, 1 January 2009 (UTC) Passatoia: I've found carpet runner, stair carpet and also runner. With regards to passaverdura I don't know if it is also a Mouli grater; I've never seen a thing like that. The most similar tools that come to my mind are Schiacciapatate and spremiaglio, but they have different uses. --Barmar 13:27, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Auguri di un 2009 felice anche a te! :-)

tamarro
Hi there. I can't quite figure out what sort of person this is. Does cozzalone mean the same thing? SemperBlotto 11:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've never heard cozzalone (dialectal?), but I have found this discussion that lists as possible candidates: chav, naff boy, pikey, jerk and others. I'm sure you can find the right term or terms there. :-) --Barmar 13:58, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - chav: fits the definition spot on.

And next. . . autodefinire / autodefinirsi - many hits, not in any dictionary (I shall look in that forum). SemperBlotto 14:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm autodefinirsi is define oneself (as) and maybe also self-define (as). I don't think autodefinire exists because you can only self-define yourself not someone else. An example? Bruce Springsteen defines himself as a story-teller. BS si autodefinisce un cantastorie. (We were editing antigovernative at the same time) --Barmar 15:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * OK - should I just add the reflexive form (the overwhelming majority of hits)? SemperBlotto 15:18, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * IMHO yes. --Barmar 15:20, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

giornali
See User:Robert Ullmann/Italiano SemperBlotto 15:58, 3 January 2009 (UTC) ; word : ...
 * Wow, this is really a great source of missing terms!!! A question about it: the lists are full of obvious misspellings and typos. Can I delete them without commenting each of them? --Barmar 08:36, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that Robert would rather that you added a comment. There is a "stopper" file for persistant bad entries.
 * The s/w (as of today) will not re-list words listed in the last 10 days. Many are from features that are updated weekly, or stories that simply stay on the section page for a few days. To make this work, it is important not to delete from the lists, just use strikethrough (as you've done at least once already ;-):
 * that way the word will still be seen as listed. The stops list can be used for things that just keep showing up over a longer period. Robert Ullmann 12:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

 * What about debbo: - is this a form of devo:? It's not in my grammar book - but gets very many hits. SemperBlotto 11:31, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've fixed debbo. Ok, I'll continue adding comments, then. --Barmar 11:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Note if you add comments or whatever after the : in the ; : syntax it looks better, given the : in the date in the signature string. You might as well just replace the citation with the comment? Or just strike it w/o bothering with the comment (-).
 * I am adding Corriere della Sera. Robert Ullmann 16:15, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Added (quite easily, only a few specific things needed) test run results, will be incorporated tomorrow. Seems quite good, thank you. Robert Ullmann 18:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Note again that if you add a comment before the : when striking, the : in your signature time messes up the format thus.

The number of new words is decreasing, it was flooded by adding Corriere; as we get to ten days past that, the daily number should be reasonable. Robert Ullmann 15:29, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

bordocampo
Not in any dictionary. Is it a panel of experts who discuss the day's football matches? SemperBlotto 11:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it's an area of the stadium. See . "Preferisco una moviola a bordocampo che cento moviole per tutta la settimana, e mille sospetti e insinuazioni" means that the journalist is in favour of 'moviola'=slow motion (but I don't know if you use this term in a sport context) performed during the match (in the stadium, in the bordocampo area) in order to dissipate any doubts about referees' decisions. I hope this makes sense in English (-: --Barmar 13:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

 * sideline "I'd like to see video replay on the sideline one hundred times a week, (and/instead of?) thousands of suspicions and insinuations." (and? not sure what the dependent clause is trying to add, is he suggesting there should be thousands of potential cases?) But in any case the word is sideline. Robert Ullmann 13:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Your translation is quite nonsense (like mine ;-) but it's basically a call for video cameras to be introduced during football matches. --Barmar 13:47, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've found the word: it's instant replay Instant replay = moviola in campo or replay istantaneo when used by referees --Barmar 14:00, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

 * OK - I'll make it sideline or touchline. Note - Tutto il calcio minuto per minuto has "Massimo Barchiesi (conduttore di Zona Cesarini, bordocampista per anticipi e posticipi)" - presumably a person who reports from the sideline. SemperBlotto 14:28, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've never heard bordocampista, but I'm not a big footy fan (I definitely prefer cycle racing to it). Probably it's a neologism/protologism that however has about 500 Google results. More properly it is a person who reports from the stadium (actually from a well-heated VIP area, not from a cold sideline ;-). --Barmar 08:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

carrarmato
This seems to be both a form of carro armato and a type of rubber sole for shoes that grips the ground. So how is it being used in "La Liga arriva in finale con un passo da carrarmato"? A powerful shot (as from a tank), or one that hugs the ground? SemperBlotto 14:41, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * "Con un passo da carrarmato" means heavy on one's feet (I mean the antonym of light on one's feet) and in this case unstoppable, unbeatable, very strong so that is very likely the team will win the finale. --Barmar 08:21, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

battutina
This is just a guess. Please correct if needed. SemperBlotto 10:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Buongiorno. I've added a meaning; the rest is fine. --Barmar 06:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

ecclesiale
There seems to be a distinction between this and ecclesiastico - but I can't find an English equivalent. SemperBlotto 09:19, 12 January 2009 (UTC) (p.s. I have added a request for extremis)
 * I've done some googling and ecclesial and also ecclesiastical seem to be a right choice. --Barmar 11:15, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

RU lists
I've finally done as much as I can with the Italian words of 6th January! Should I do the English loan-words, or move on to the the next day's Italian? I am going through your list of combined forms slowly, doing sets having the same structure (for speed). I am also busy in the real world. My other hobby is genealogy (mostly of my own surname) and the English 1911 census has just come online so there are lots of people to find (it has my dad as a two-year-old baby (no picture!)). Cheers Jeff SemperBlotto 12:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * English loan-words: ok for me moving them (they're soooooooo many! Italians love so much English-sounding words that even invent them!). Ciaociao --Barmar 12:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd think the Italian would be much more interesting; just pick another day (-). Someone looking up the English will at least find a closely related definition. But I must ask: what is the genealogical source of the surname Blotto? (-) Robert Ullmann 12:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Blotto does not seem to be a surname (zero people with that name registered with the NHS in the UK). See, however, blotto:. SemperBlotto 15:34, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * In Italian we would say brillo or sbronzo or more formally ubriaco (in Tuscan briaco), hence SempreBrillo would be a perfect translation for SemperBlotto 8:-) --Barmar 15:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

pluriomicida
mass murderer or serial killer? SemperBlotto 17:41, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * None of them. It is one who has killed more than one person. --Barmar 18:45, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

rimuoversi
Hi there. In the conjugation table, you have many forms duplicated. Did you mean something else? SemperBlotto 11:54, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ops! darn copy&pastes! :-O --Barmar 12:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

autocandidare
Lots of hits for forms of this verb, but not in my dictionaries. I suppose it must mean the same as candidarsi? SemperBlotto 11:47, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No, there's a slight difference. autocandidarsi means that the person presenting himself as a candidate took the decision on his own initiative (has nominated himself). candidarsi instead means that he has probably accepted 'di candidarsi' on request of his political party or someone else. I hope it is clear. Ah, this verb is reflexive-only. --Barmar 15:06, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks like it translates reasonably well simply as "to apply (for a post)" - google gives lots of sentences like "Per autocandidarsi recarsi personalmente presso la sede unica del Centro per l'Impiego di Imola Via Boccaccio" or "Per autocandidarsi inviare Curriculum Vitae a (email address)." - and yes, it seems to be overwhelmingly reflexive. SemperBlotto 15:36, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't know that meaning of autocandidarsi and your translation looks fine for it. But it also means to present oneself as a candidate on one's own initiative (see ie google results like these "nel PD invece ogni sostenitore può anche autocandidarsi e, se gode della stima di altri sostenitori, essere eletto nei diversi etc etc" "Primarie sarde: Calvisi litiga coi vertici della Quercia. Soru si autocandida. " "Anche perché nessuno (Cofferati incluso) sarebbe stato disposto ad autocandidarsi alla guida di un’eventuale struttura del partito per il Settentrione. ". There's also a derived term: autocandidatura. Buona giornata. --Barmar 08:16, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

quattr'occhi
I think this is only used in the term a quattr'occhi: - but is that an adjective or adverb? SemperBlotto 11:57, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Adverb --Barmar 13:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

grandissimamente
How would you define this? As the superlative of an adverb - or as a simple adverb derived from a superlative adjective? SemperBlotto 10:30, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh my... it sounds awful! By the way IMHO is the superlative of an adverb. 'notte --Barmar 21:32, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Reply
Thanks for the tip, however, I find it very fun and helpful to the community to do this for you, so you don't have to wait for the bot to do it for you ;). Cheers, Razorflame 15:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

bevace and bibace
Are these synonyms for bibulo? SemperBlotto 08:42, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have never heard none of them, but according to DeMauro they are synonyms.   --Barmar 10:53, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Ash Wednesday
I can't make up my mind if it is mercoledì delle Ceneri, mercoledì delle ceneri or Mercoledì delle Ceneri. SemperBlotto 22:42, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Buongiorno. Uhm... well... good question. In Italian capitalizing is mostly a matter of opinion. According to wikipedia it is Mercoledì delle Ceneri, so I'd go with it, but probably also the others are correct (and there's Mercoledì delle ceneri as well ;-). --Barmar 07:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Benvenuto
Ciao. Ho chiesto a SemperBlotto se mi poteva benvenutare, ma egli mi disse che non capiva tanto bene l'italiano. Allora mi puoi benvenutare you? Grazie. --Ivocamp96 16:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC) Grazie. A proposito di Benvenutare: Certo che è un verbo. Sai come siamo fatti noi italiani (se tu lo fossi e/o lo sei), ci inventiamo di quelle cavolate che non stanno nè in cielo nè in terra xD --Ivocamp96 18:33, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * questo poi no. è una bella cosa.  nessuno oltre di Francia e della nossa vecchia amica l'Unione Sovieticha tiene un'academia per la lingua.  La lingua è cosa viva.
 * I'll take the chance to thank you, Barmar, and SemperBlotto for the Italian portion of Wiktionary. your translations have never failed me.  --VKokielov 15:52, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

ragazzaglia
I'm not sure how to translate this. It seems to be something like a yob, or more likely a group of yobs (as it is feminine). SemperBlotto
 * I've found some definitions online: it is a group of boys 'maleducato, turbolento, chiassoso etc'. If 'yobs' fits this definition, a 'group of yobs' is fine. A question for you now. I'm searching for a decent translation of 'lustrarsi gli occhi' or 'lustrarsi la vista', an idiomatic verb. I'll try to explain. Literally it means 'to have one's eyes polished (?)'. It is when that there is something that makes your one's shine, typically a great football action or some beautiful girls for a man or jewels/designer clothes/shoes/etc for a woman. Any ideas? --Barmar 17:26, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Such things "make one's eyes sparkle". SemperBlotto 19:52, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks.. so what lustrarsi gli occhi would be? To get one's eyes sparkled?? (I doesn't sound good). I.e. "Mi sono lustrata gli occhi a vedere tutti quei bei gioielli, diamanti, pietre preziose.." --Barmar 07:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * What about "My eyes sparkled to see (or "when I saw") all those beautiful jewels, diamonds, precious stones." SemperBlotto 08:29, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've tried with something different, please check lustrarsi gli occhi. Buona giornata (here rain, rain, rain, rain etc) --Barmar 15:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

massimario
According to De Mauro this is a collection of maxims (unless I'm translating it wrongly). But in the quote in User:Robert Ullmann/Italiano/27 February 2009 it seems to be something entirely different. ? SemperBlotto 11:58, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it is something not too much different. According to Ufficio del Massimario a massimario is (also) a person who prepares collections of maxims (or maybe better collections of abstracts) of the sentences of the Italian Court of Cassation. Buona giornata. --Barmar 15:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

obiettivizza
Recently requested. I can't figure it out. SemperBlotto 20:02, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep.. it's clearly a form of obiettivizzare and I've seen that there is also an obiettivizzazione, but its meaning is a mystery for me as well. Sorry. --Barmar 06:32, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

conditional tense => mood
I have had an email (from a native Italian) complaining that we describe the conditional as a tense rather than a mood. I think he is probably correct. I have changed the text of the definition of entries added by the bot (see sballottolerei as an example). I shall also change the layout of the conjugation tables if you agree. This is a bit fiddly and also causes a mini-outage of the wiki software (as the templates are used in so very many places). Let me know if you agree. Cheers. SemperBlotto 11:59, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Buongiorno. As I said, I am not much into grammar.. BTW according to Wikipedia Verbo conditional is not the only mood we have. There are also: indicative, sujunctive, imperative, infinite, participle and gerund :-Oooo, see here for an English version of it. So sballottolo would be: First-person singular indicative mood present tense of sballottolare. Oh my, it is a LOT of work fixing all templates and irregular verbs! --Barmar 06:24, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. I'll change our conjugation templates (some time). Don't bother to change anything else - we have better things to do with our time! SemperBlotto 08:00, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've changed the template for -ciare (e.g. mangiare), using a different colour for the conditional. I also moved the stuff about compound tenses to a single sentence at the top (we are not a grammar textbook). If that looks OK to you, I'll do the others. SemperBlotto 15:41, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * IMHO it is OK. Buona domenica. --Barmar 08:09, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I looked at all the other templates and found all sorts of irregularities in them. Then I had a thought - why don't I create a master template (say ) that would have all the pretty formatting but no content. Then each of the other templates could call it, passing a list of parameters for the various verb forms. This would have two advantages. . . 1) They would all look the same, and we could more easily make global changes in formatting if needed 2) We could use templates for ALL verbs, not just the regular ones. For instance, if only the past participle is irregular we could code. What do you think? It would take a bit of thought and research, and I would have to give it plenty of testing before I implemented it. SemperBlotto 11:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

turboventola
Gender and plural combination seem to be unusual. Can you confirm please. SemperBlotto 07:45, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it is invariable, I mean m and inv. Buona pasqua, carissimo :-) --Barmar 10:47, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That makes sense - but that final "ventola" confuses even Italians (see following Google hits).
 * "due turboventola" 182
 * "due turboventole" 179
 * "due turboventoli" 0

SemperBlotto 21:39, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And what about adding turboventola/e feminine near to turboventola m/inv? Seemingly both of them are correct. --Barmar 07:31, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

accoppiatura
According to De Mauro, this is a grammatical concordance. But all the Google hits seem to be about footwear or the plastics industry? (I found it in Polietilene espanso) SemperBlotto 13:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I've done some googling and lamination seems to be an option for this meaning. --Barmar 06:41, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

marxista-leninista
How do you form the feminine and plurals? (adjective & noun) - is it e.g. marxisti-leninisti?

Ditto plural for marxismo-leninismo SemperBlotto 16:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, marxisti-leninisti, marxiste-leniniste & marxismi-leninismi. --Barmar 06:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Benvenuti
Ciao. Siccome son diventato anch'io un whitelister (io lo chiamo così l'autopatroller), posso benvenutare gli utenti? --Ivocamp96 18:13, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ciao, francamente non lo so, dovresti chiedere ad un amministratore. --Barmar 06:10, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Italian papers
I ran it again, but it is picking up parts of words for no reason I can see. Will try to figure it out. (I hadn't changed anything!) French seems to have worked okay ... Robert Ullmann 12:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Translations
Are you aware of Category:Tbot entries (Italian)? I try to check it about once a month. Also Category:Translations to be checked (Italian) has over a thousand entries - and most of them take some time to check multiple meanings - every so often I have a go, but the list just gets longer and longer! You might like to have a quick look some time, but don't let this stop you adding words from your medical dictionary. SemperBlotto 10:21, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

p.s. I suppose, for completeness, I should have mentioned Category:Translation requests (Italian) - just in case you have nothing else to do SemperBlotto 14:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Hi there. Yes, I'm aware of all these things, but I always forget to check them! More seriously, I was thinking to start adding translations as a main activity some day. Regarding those Tbot entries, I'm not sure that chiudere a chiave = to lock (see nor that pi greco = pi. The missing translation of sleep (see Transl requests) is cispa but it has not a figurative meaning, so I don't know how to add it. --Barmar 13:46, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

trattasi
Is this just the same as "si tratta" - do I translate it as "it is"? SemperBlotto 15:53, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but also it is about or it is a question/matter (of). --Barmar 16:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I've made an attempt at a definition - you might be able to provide better example sentences. SemperBlotto 21:30, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

trincetto
Is this a "clicking knife"? (My father was a clicker: (second definition)) SemperBlotto 10:54, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey! But.. it's incredible! My father has been a clicker too! :-O Yes, clicking knife seems appropriate. --Barmar 13:17, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

dentari, dentarii
This can't be deleted until all the links to it are corrected. --EncycloPetey 16:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I can't see any link to dentarii []. dentari it is correct and must not be deleted. --Barmar 16:18, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

responabile etc
responabile and responabilità seem very common. Are they just spelling errors? SemperBlotto 07:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes they're common misspellings. --Barmar 19:36, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Prepositions forms
OK. Generate one manually in the style of your choosing, and I'll see what I can do. p.s. The latest ones that you added all lacked an ==Italian== header. p.p.s See the entries for senza intenzione etc. at Wiktionary:Requests for deletion. SemperBlotto 07:41, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * OK - See per conto di - if that one's OK, I'll do others. SemperBlotto 08:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Italian contractions: Feel free to correct any that are wrong, or need improving.

-fare verbs
Just so we don't get a repeat of my previous error. Could you have a look at User:SemperBlotto/sandboxit. They are taken from De Mauro, and some of them are obsolete or rare. SemperBlotto 08:12, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait a while - I can see that some are in the wrong group. . . . . SemperBlotto 08:14, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok tomorrow probably, let me know when you've finished. Buona domenica. --Barmar 08:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * OK - now fixed. Also, I have created so that we don't have to create big tables manually. See artefare: as an example. SemperBlotto 10:55, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Should I add -fo as another alternative for the 1st person singular present tense? SemperBlotto 11:05, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Third person singular present -fa or -fà (or is it sometimes one and sometimes the other?) SemperBlotto 11:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hummmh.. well.. I've done some googling and here's what I have found. -fo is only used for disfare, soddisfare e liquefare (more irregular than the others), see . third-person-singular present: of fare is fa not fà; of compound verbs is -fà see ; for soddisfare, disfare and liquefare instead because both -fa and -fà are correct. Now I'm going to check your list. --Barmar 07:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Ciao
Hi,

could you perhaps tell me what ancora vita is supposed to mean? It's literal translation doesn't really make much sense to me. Thanks :) User:Mallerd (Zeg et es meisje) 10:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, ancora in vita means still alive but ancora vita alone is completely unintelligible. Could you please give me the entire phrase? --Barmar 10:09, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, it's from a song here are the lyrics: link. User:Mallerd (Zeg et es meisje) 10:15, 6 July 2009 (UTC) I'll try to translate it, then (although not literally): l'alba già <-it's dawn already milioni che si svegliano <-millions of people wake up ancora qui <- here again vola via un canto in mezzo agli alberi <- a singing/song (of birds, probably) between the trees is flying away immagini <- images e ancora vita è <- and life still goes on --Barmar 14:01, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, it makes sense now! :-)

Thanks a lot Barbara :) have a nice day User:Mallerd (Zeg et es meisje) 14:08, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

rocca
Is the plural correct. There are plenty of Googles for rocche:. SemperBlotto 10:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it was wrong. I've fixed it. --Barmar 05:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Compound forms of reflexive verbs.
Aagh! I think that I have been adding these wrongly. See capacitarmene: as an example. It is defined as compound of capacitare: and mene: - shouldn't it be capacitarmi: and ne:? (I noticed that tene: was red-linked then noticed that things like mene: didn't have Italian definitions, or were just nouns etc. SemperBlotto 09:03, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Uhmmmm well.. I'm sure that mene tene sene melo telo celo etc. do not exist as pronouns (glielo, glieli.. gliene are the only exception). Regarding capacitarmene, you're probably right = capacitarmi + ne. But saying that is = to capacitarsi + me + ne is basically the same, not? Anyway it's official: I do hate Italian compound forms! :-). --Barmar 12:33, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

 * So - should I change them e.g. from "-are + mene" to "-arsi + me + ne" or to "-armi + ne" (I wouldn't want to do it all yet again!). (I'm going to generate a list of verbs affected) SemperBlotto 12:44, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * -are is wrong, because they are reflexive verbs. IMHO both the others are correct but -armi + ne = 2 clicks before reaching the main verb capacitarsi (capacitarmene -> capacitarmi ->capacitarsi), so I would choose capacitarsi + me + ne. --Barmar 13:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * roger wilco - but might take a while to fix them all. SemperBlotto 07:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

sardegnolo
Could you look at this please. User:Renato.wikilex doesn't like it. SemperBlotto 14:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The noun also refers to people not only to animals. In this case it is considered derogatory or jocular according to De Mauro, more derogatory than jocular in my experience. Ciao from terribly hot Italy. --Barmar 21:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

rfd needing attention

 * Here. In French, you can say "with assurance" instead of "assuredly" because the latter sounds awkward (, does exist, mind you). Mglovesfun (talk) 12:39, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I have answered in the other thread. Thank you. --Barmar 21:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Insalate
Could you have a quick look at insalata tricolore: and insalata caprese: please (and make any corrections). SemperBlotto 06:58, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Buondì. IMHO insalata tricolore should be deleted because there is not a typical insalata like this. Tricolore could mean everything that is green, white, red (like our flag): arugula/green beans/lettuce/whatever + mozzarella/pasta/another white cheese of your choice + tomato/tomato sauce/radish and so on. We also have an 'insalata di pasta tricolore': pesto + mix of cheeses + tomato sauce (yummy). Ah, I've added an image to insalata caprese :-) --Barmar 07:13, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Conjugation table template rewrite - early tests
Hi there. I have been thinking of doing this for a long time - and have started work on it this week.

I have created a new template that does all the fancy formatting. I have cleaned it up and removed the mentions of compound tenses, as I think that is part of Italian grammar. Following criticism from several people, I have removed the conditional from the indicative group and given it its own colour.

The idea is that new versions of the existing templates decide what words are to be included, and call the new template just to format them.

Existing verb entries (for regular verbs) will remain unchanged. Tables for irregular verbs may (at our leisure) be converted to use the new templates. I have only created a substitute for the -ere template so far and have tested it with all the complications that I can think of. The templates have got temporary names just for testing - you can see some output at User:SemperBlotto/conj testing. Feel free to add other examples and try to break the templates if you have the time. Cheers. SemperBlotto 10:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * WOW g.r.e.a.t! We really needed this! :-):-) Conjugation tables of irregular verbs were an absolute mess. It looks fine although I have not checked all those verb forms individually. There are only 3 small things needing to be fixed, that I have written down in green. Ciao --Barmar 12:33, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

 * OK - I've fixed the missing comma bug (so difficult to see in all those nasty brackets and stuff) and rewritten the input for vedere. I have also made a start on using the same template for reflexive verbs (at the bottom of the test page). Does it look OK to you? i.e. only the -si forms of infinitive, gerund and participles are listed; the main entries are wikilinked without the pronoun (the blank space is where I couldn't be bothered to do lots of typing for the moment). SemperBlotto 12:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It is ok as long as past participle entries include both verbs, reflexive and not, I mean like preoccupato. --Barmar 13:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes - that's done. And I've included the reflexive pronouns in the column headings (less programming!). SemperBlotto 13:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC) p.s. Wikilinking all the terms is especially useful for the reflexive-only verbs.
 * Buongiorno. Mhhhhhhhhh... I don't like it, IMHO the previous version with the reflexive pronouns near verb forms was more clear. Is it really so much more complicated? --Barmar 05:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi there again. OK - I have put the pronouns back with the verb forms (it was just laziness really!). I have implemented the new -ere template, and will do -ersi later this morning. SemperBlotto 07:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

 * OK - I have implemented the new system in all the conjugation templates now. At the last moment, I realised that a small modification would allow it to be used with verbs like andarsene and farcela. I have done the first one, and may heve done the second by the time you read this. All I have to do now is update the documentation (the part that programmers hate the most). (Then we can slowly replace the big tables in many irregular verbs) SemperBlotto 11:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Very good! :-) Let me know when you've finished. --Barmar 12:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

 * I have added talk pages to each template, with a link to the talk page of the common template (that has details of how to code for irregular verbs). Could you see if the documentation is good enough to, for instance, code the table for dipendere:? Let me know if you have any trouble. SemperBlotto 16:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Buongiorno e buon Ferragosto!, although today is not a public holiday in England. I've done a minor edit on that talk page and added the new conj table to dipendere and this has been quite easy. I've also expanded dipendere and decidere and I'm afraid that this must be done sooner or later for many important verbs and terms in general. --Barmar 07:20, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well done (hope the roads to the beach weren't too busy). I have reverted your changes to the template talk page - to reflect the actual names of the parameters used (e.g. sub123s). SemperBlotto 21:33, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ops! sorry, I hadn't understood then.. well, I'll study it again. --Barmar 06:01, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

capo- words
Hi there. Could you confirm that all these have plurals of the form "capi..." - even feminine ones? capobranco plural looks wrong (though there are some Google hits). (There is a list in my sandbox - I haven't checked all the blue links yet. (and does the terminal vowel change or stay the same?) SemperBlotto 16:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * P.s. I have just remembered that I asked the same question last year (memory is the first thing to go at my age). SemperBlotto 16:55, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Buongiorno. No, I'm sorry, I cannot confirm this rule. It absolutely depends on the words. Some of them have a double plural capo-/capi-, others only capi-, others only capo-, the terminal vowel may change or not, while the feminine form is generally invariable. So for me the best thing is to always check in a dictionary (like this ) before creating the entry. Ah, I cannot remember you've already asked this question, but I've always been quite forgetful regardless of my age ;) --Barmar 06:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Contags
We had a vote to explicitly prevent this sort of this. Tags such as and  should only be used in front of terms whose usage is limited to that specialist field. I would be very surprised if rosa were limited to use by botanists and horticulturalists. Please use Categories for this, not context tags. --EncycloPetey 03:48, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Pronouns in our conjugation templates
Hi there. Hope you had a good holiday. See Talk:gemere. What do you think? It is quite easy to change now that we have a unified template. Should we just add egli: to lui/lei and to essi/esse? SemperBlotto 11:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

A Roman contributor
Could you have a look at Special:Contributions/87.6.53.105 please - is there anything that can be made into proper entries? SemperBlotto 13:23, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Buongiorno. I've fixed dare spettacolo and fare una figuraccia and please give a look at them. Personally I would delete the rest. --Barmar 06:19, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

autoripararsi
Is this reflexive only? There are quite a few Google hits for autoriparare:. I'm also seeing autoripara: as a noun - looks like it means "auto (motor car) repair". SemperBlotto 22:00, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's reflexive only.. sorry I forgot to add it to your feed-the-bot list (still having holiday mood :-). The noun is probably autoriparazione (I've never heard autoripara as a noun) and yes it is chiefly related to cars, while autoripararsi is generally linked to an organism, ecosystem or to a part of human or animal body. --Barmar 05:56, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

ipereccitabilità ecc.
Would the etymology be better as ? SemperBlotto 21:53, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Good question. According to Treccani you are right. Personally I'm not sure this is correct. I mean, comodità comes from comodo, facilità from facile etc etc.. why compound -ità words must derive from the suffix they include instead of the adjective they're linked to? Are them an exception to the general rule? :-/ --Barmar 05:22, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Is my modification a good compromise? SemperBlotto 08:28, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it could work, although I'm not sure it is 100% etymologically correct :) --Barmar 20:08, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

striscie
Apparently this is an error. Is it really an error? If so, we will delete it. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:58, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * deleted SemperBlotto 15:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

De Mauro
Looks like it has gone away for good now. Can you recommend another on-line Italian dictionary? SemperBlotto 07:17, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * :-( :-( :-( :-( no, sorry, but wait, I'll do a search now and I'll let you know. --Barmar 07:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Try Garzanti - you have to register - then it is free (Zingarelli online is free for only 30 days). SemperBlotto 08:45, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems to have good coverage but search results can be strange e.g. searching for "epi*" gives words beginning "epid" before all the rest! (my sandbox has the results of this search (sorted)) SemperBlotto 09:17, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * De Mauro arrived this morning - thanks.
 * I can't figure out how to copy/paste the list of words e.g. after doing a search - it only lets you highlight one at a time.
 * It eats up CPU cycles - running near 100% most of the time, strange.
 * p.s. I opted for the complete install - so the CDROM may be removed.
 * p.p.s. I have been using dizi recently - it's a sort of wiki, but also has links to some classic texts and even a Latin/Italian dictionary. Cheers. SemperBlotto 10:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks like that copy&paste doesn't work. You can search whatever you like but not to save it or better I haven't find any way to do that. --Barmar 20:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

ristare
Hi there. Could you check the conjugation - before I botify the verb forms. Cheers. SemperBlotto 15:27, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Buongiorno. There are 2 wrong forms: 3plural subjuctive present = ristiano and 3p imperative = ristiano too. stare has some mistakes as well. 2s indicative present = stai 3p indicative present = stanno; 3p subjunctive present = stiano 3p imperative = stiano. Another thing, I could no longer find the link but I've read once that potentato in its modern meaning is just a false friend of potentate. I don't know if this is true, BTW here's some examples of use of it. It's up to you to decide whether potentate is an appropriate translation in these cases. 1) Se alla base di un potentato economico, divenuto potentato politico, si rileva la corruzione, il reato va sanzionato o no? 2) Dicono "servi" agli altri e non si rendono conto di essere loro inconsapevoli servi di un potentato mafioso ed economico delle dimensioni talmente enormi da non riuscire nemmeno ad immaginarlo 3) E ancor più eclatante e sorprendente è il fatto che una cosa simile non sia nata da qualche potentato finanziario, politico o culturale o da importanti istituzioni 4) Oggi, si tratta dell'azione, la cui rilevanza penale è da accertare, di potentati politico-economico-finanziari impegnati a ridisegnare il volto del capitalismo italiano e, per conseguenza, equilibri e rapporti fra economia e politica. --Barmar 07:08, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

 * OK - thanks - I've corrected the two conjugation tables. I've added the sense of power:, meaning a powerful state or government, to potentato:. SemperBlotto 07:19, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahem.. maybe power is still the right word, but read well the examples above. It is not a powerful state or government but a powerful group of people that are important in their field (economy, culture, mafia and so on). --Barmar 07:23, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Cinzano
Hi, there. Would you add Italian pronunciation to Cinzano, please? It's /tʃintsano/, right? --Vahagn Petrosyan 15:29, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry but I can't help you. Pronunciation is a complete mystery to me, I really don't know how to write it. :-( --Barmar 15:36, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * But can you tell me if it is pronounced with Z as in "pizza" or with Z as in "zombie", i.e. like Chintsano or Chinzano? --Vahagn Petrosyan 15:39, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * z as in zombie (at least that's how I drink it - though, of course, Barbara prefers Martini). SemperBlotto 18:53, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That's how you drink it in England. I'm interested in native Italian pronunciation of Cinzano. --Vahagn Petrosyan 20:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok. It's easier this way. We pronounce Cinzano's z like those zz in pizza. After all both include 'za', that is always pronounced the same (for SB: I prefer my home-made limoncello ;-) ). --Barmar 06:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's what I suspected. --Vahagn Petrosyan 10:08, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I shall amend my lazy pronunciation. SemperBlotto 07:20, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't, Chin-zah-no sounds much better. --Vahagn Petrosyan 10:08, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Hello
Hello,

I've just begun studying Italian and I have a question:

 * in my book it says you should use "di" for 'argomento' as in silvia mi ha parlato del duo viaggio but the book says also that you should use "su" for 'argomento' as in ieri ho visto un film su Malcolm X

what is the difference? Surely they aren't interchangeable? Grazie User:Mallerd (Zeg et es meisje) 12:34, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi. No, they're not interchangeable. Actually I'm not vrey much into Italian grammar (I just speak it :-), so you'd better ask to your teacher, but we usually say 'parlare di' (raccontare di, dire di, riferire di, etc) + argomento and not 'parlare su' + argomento. Silvia mi ha parlato del suo viaggio. Paolo parla spesso del suo cane. Luca parlava sempre di politica.. and so on. We usually use 'su' after a noun (but not always! you can also use 'di'.. it's difficult, I know). ho visto un film su Malcom X; Francesco ha scritto un libro su suo padre; Anna ha tenuto una conferenza sul cambiamento climatico. Here's an example of 'di' after a noun: Carlo ha scritto un libro di giardinaggio. I hope this helps. Ciao --Barmar 14:25, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I thank you very much! My teacher keeps saying the Italian grammer is much easier than the Dutch grammer :P I disagree, ciao! User:Mallerd (Zeg et es meisje) 12:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

life class
I'm having trouble finding an Italian translation for this. SemperBlotto 11:54, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Mmmmmmmmmh... I don't think we have a two-or-tree-word term for that. If it comes to my mind I'll let you know. --Barmar 17:27, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

aderizzare aderizzazione
According to the Corriere della Sera dictionary site - these words mean "to stab" and "stabbing". But to me, they seem to mean "to adhere" and "adhesion". Thoughts? SemperBlotto In this case it is translated as to bond: http://www.polycil.co.uk/products/productDetails.asp?subcatID=1&materialID=&productID=15 http://www.polycil.co.uk/it/products/productDetails.asp?subcatID=16&materialID=&productID=72 Cilbond 48 is a fast drying one-coat bonding system capable of bonding both hot and cold cast polyurethane systems to a variety of substrates including metals, polyamides and other engineering thermoplastics. Cilbond 48 è un sistema di aderizzazione ad una mano a rapida asciugatura in grado di aderizzare sistemi poliuretanici a formatura sia a caldo che a freddo, su una grande varietà di supporti tra cui metalli, poliammidi e altri tecnopolimeri termoplastici. In this case aderizzare/aderizzazione it is translated into to dip dipping http://www.glanzstoff.at/en/steinfort/produktion/dippen.htm http://www.glanzstoff.at/it/sicrem/produktion/dippen.htm I don't know if also to adhere would be appropriate. --Barmar 07:09, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I've done a little of search. To stab looks correct in an automotive context where aderizzare means praticare dei tagli = more or less to stab sulla superficie di un pneumatico per migliorarne l'aderenza. I've also found this term in a chemistry context.

 * Hmm - this seams to involve a meaning of stab: that we haven't got. Does it mean "making a series of holes or slashes in a surface with a pointed object, so as to improve grip"? I've come across that in the building trade - where you treat a brick surface like that before adding plaster etc. SemperBlotto 08:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * After some more searching (using keys like stab tyre/tyres grip) and I'm not sure stab/stabbing is the right word in the automotive context. What about using in the aderizzare translation something like 'to produce/cut grooves in a tyre tread pattern in order to improve its grip'? Some help Tread --Barmar 07:31, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

palma da olio
I noticed that you added the plural form of palma da olio as palme da olio. Why isn't the plural palme da oli? Razorflame 19:01, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I don't know why, but in compound words that include di, da, a etc. the words after the preposition is usually invariable. ie see animale da compagnia, ferro da stiro, baco da seta, fagiano di monte, punto di vista. --Barmar 06:48, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks for the information! Razor<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 07:04, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It's the same in English - the plural of oil palm: isn't oils palms:. SemperBlotto 08:26, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

insano
Are you sure "insano" means "insane"? "sano" means "healthy" whereas "sane" means "sano di mente" so I would have thought "insano" would mean "unhealthy" not "insane".Gregcaletta 03:44, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm sure. unhealthy is non sano, malsano, insalubre, malato. --Barmar 06:29, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

simil legno
I don't think this is a prefix because it's two words. Isn't it just simil + legno? Otherwise for simil-, may I suggest pseudo-? Mglovesfun (talk) 14:06, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed, thanks. No, pseudo- is different, we have it too. I've added It entry to the En one. --Barmar 14:21, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

-ata
Hi there. Should we add something to this suffix entry for words like badilata? I know there are quite of few of them - but don't know how to find them amongst all the very many words ending in -ata. SemperBlotto 12:41, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Ciao. I'm not sure I've understood your question. BTW summing up DeMauro definition -ata means: a) blow (using something ie manata is a blow with a hand, borsata with a bag/handbag and so on) and also shot (by weapons) b) = -ful (as much as can be held by what is denoted by the noun) c) action from verbs (ie chiaccherata ->chiaccherare, mangiata->mangiare, nevicata->nevicare) or from nouns (cretinata -> cretino stupidata->stupido) d) period of time from nouns (anno-> annata giorno->giornata mattino->mattinata). I can add etymology to these words, it is quite easy to me understand their etymology, pls let me know. --Barmar 13:18, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

 * OK. I've created the category, expanded the definition of -ata, and I've added etymology sections to the examples that you gave. I'll add more as I come across them, or as I think of them. Cheers. SemperBlotto 17:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC) p.s. Several hits for bananata: but it seems to be a surname - I'll try not to invent silly words.
 * Ahem, bananata is definitely NOT a valid word. --Barmar 17:00, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Requests_for_deletion
If you can give us your opinion we can close the discussion. Thanks! --Diuturno 16:47, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Done, pitilessly :) --Barmar 07:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

munuscola and other strange words
Hi there. Have a look at the bottom of my talk page and feel free to comment. SemperBlotto 08:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

title: User talk:Barmar/2009


text:
länsimaistuminen

Etymology
<

Noun

 * 1) westernization the process of becoming westernized
 * 1) westernization the process of becoming westernized

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: länsimaistuminen


text:
länsimaistaminen

Noun

 * 1) westernization the process of causing to westernize
 * 1) westernization the process of causing to westernize

Related terms

 * (becoming westernized)

title: länsimaistaminen


text:
úrfellingarmerki

Etymology
From the genitive singular form of  and.

Noun

 * 1)  an apostrophe

title: úrfellingarmerki


text:
søkkva

Etymology 1
From, from. The -nk- → -kk- and other nasal-stop assimilations often caused restoration of Pre-Proto-Germanic *e from traditional *i, compare and.

Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1)  to

Etymology 2
From.

Alternative forms

 * (younger)

Verb

 * 1)  to let

title: søkkva


text:
piantatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  dib, dibber, dibble, dibbler

title: piantatoio


text:
posatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) perch, roost

title: posatoio


text:
potatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) billhook (or similar pruning tool)

title: potatoio


text:
raffilatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) trimmer

title: raffilatoio


text:
raschiatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) scraper

title: raschiatoio


text:
raspatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) harrow

title: raspatoio


text:
ribaditoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) riveting hammer

title: ribaditoio


text:
salatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) salting room

title: salatoio


text:
saldatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) soldering iron

title: saldatoio


text:
sbraciatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) poker

title: sbraciatoio


text:
scannatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) slaughterhouse, abattoir, shambles
 * 2) love nest, fuckpad

title: scannatoio


text:
scapecchiatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  ripple

title: scapecchiatoio


text:
scarnatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) fleshing knife

title: scarnatoio


text:
scolatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) draining board
 * 2) dish rack

title: scolatoio


text: fwd

title: fwd


text:
scorticatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) flaying knife (or place where it is done)

title: scorticatoio


text:
scotennatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) flaying knife

title: scotennatoio


text:
seccatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) drying room
 * 2) squeegee (mop)

title: seccatoio


text:
segnatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) scriber

title: segnatoio


text:
sgocciolatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) drainer
 * 2) draining board
 * 3) plate rack

title: sgocciolatoio


text:
sgranatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) sheller

title: sgranatoio


text:
smaltitoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) sump

title: smaltitoio


text:
spegnitoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) snuffer

title: spegnitoio


text:
spianatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) rolling pin

title: spianatoio


text:
spremitoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) juicer (juice extractor)

title: spremitoio


text:
squartatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) cleaver (butcher's chopper)

title: squartatoio


text:
stiratoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) ironing board
 * 2) drawing board

title: stiratoio


text:
strettoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) clamp
 * 2) press (for grapes etc.)
 * 1) press (for grapes etc.)

title: strettoio


text:
strizzatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) mangle
 * 2) wringer

title: strizzatoio


text:
svettatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) pruning shears

title: svettatoio


text:
torcitoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) twisting machine

title: torcitoio


text:
trapiantatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) trowel

title: trapiantatoio


text:
trottatoio

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) trotting track

title: trottatoio


text: unicameralismi

title: unicameralismi


text:
unitarianismi

Etymology
(see 🇨🇬). Contains the suffix.

Noun

 * 1)  Unitarianism

title: unitarianismi


text: unitezze

title: unitezze


text: universalismi

title: universalismi


text: universalisti

title: universalisti


text:
universaliste

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) universalist

Noun

 * 1) universalist

title: universaliste


text: natatoie

title: natatoie


text: pastoie

title: pastoie


text: spannatoie

title: spannatoie


text: urocromi

title: urocromi


text:
urobiline

Noun

 * 1) urobilin

title: urobiline


text: urogrammi

title: urogrammi


text: accenditoi

title: accenditoi


text: ammazzatoi

title: ammazzatoi


text: binatoi

title: binatoi


text: caprugginatoi

title: caprugginatoi


text: ultrasonografica

title: ultrasonografica


text: castratoi

title: castratoi


text: ultrasonografici

title: ultrasonografici


text: ultrasonografiche

title: ultrasonografiche


text: colatoi

title: colatoi


text: unibili

title: unibili


text: unilatera

title: unilatera


text: compositoi

title: compositoi


text: unilateri

title: unilateri


text: unilatere

title: unilatere


text: crematoi

title: crematoi


text: uniovulari

title: uniovulari


text: unipolari

title: unipolari


text: unitariana

title: unitariana


text: deviatoi

title: deviatoi


text: unitariani

title: unitariani


text: distillatoi

title: distillatoi


text: unitariane

title: unitariane


text: socio-economica

title: socio-economica


text: essiccatoi

title: essiccatoi


text: socio-economici

title: socio-economici


text: fenditoi

title: fenditoi


text: socio-economiche

title: socio-economiche


text: uropoietica

title: uropoietica


text: follatoi

title: follatoi


text: uropoietici

title: uropoietici


text: uropoietiche

title: uropoietiche


text: foratoi

title: foratoi


text: fregolatoi

title: fregolatoi


text: galoppatoi

title: galoppatoi


text: germinatoi

title: germinatoi


text: gonfiatoi

title: gonfiatoi


text: grattatoi

title: grattatoi


text: imbarcatoi

title: imbarcatoi


text: imbeccatoi

title: imbeccatoi


text: incannatoi

title: incannatoi


text: innestatoi

title: innestatoi


text: inzolfatoi

title: inzolfatoi


text: lacrimatoi

title: lacrimatoi


text: laminatoi

title: laminatoi


text: lardatoi

title: lardatoi


text: lisciatoi

title: lisciatoi


text: algebroids

title: algebroids


text: lucidatoi

title: lucidatoi


text: marcitoi

title: marcitoi


text: mestatoi

title: mestatoi


text: montatoi

title: montatoi


text: mungitoi

title: mungitoi


text: orditoi

title: orditoi


text: pattinatoi

title: pattinatoi


text: pensatoi

title: pensatoi


text: pestatoi

title: pestatoi


text: piantatoi

title: piantatoi


text: posatoi

title: posatoi


text: potatoi

title: potatoi


text: raffilatoi

title: raffilatoi


text: raschiatoi

title: raschiatoi


text: raspatoi

title: raspatoi


text:
antikaon

Noun

 * 1)  The antiparticle of a kaon.

Translations

 * Portuguese: antikáon

title: antikaon


text: ribaditoi

title: ribaditoi


text: salatoi

title: salatoi


text: saldatoi

title: saldatoi


text: sbraciatoi

title: sbraciatoi


text: scannatoi

title: scannatoi


text: scapecchiatoi

title: scapecchiatoi


text: scarnatoi

title: scarnatoi


text: scolatoi

title: scolatoi


text:
antinucleon

Noun

 * 1)  The antiparticle of a nucleon

Translations

 * Latvian: antinukleons
 * Portuguese:
 * Brazilian: antinúcleon
 * European: antinucleão

title: antinucleon


text: scorticatoi

title: scorticatoi


text: scotennatoi

title: scotennatoi


text: seccatoi

title: seccatoi


text:
pönkittää

Verb

 * 1) to prop up, shore up

title: pönkittää


text: segnatoi

title: segnatoi


text: sgocciolatoi

title: sgocciolatoi


text: sgranatoi

title: sgranatoi


text: smaltitoi

title: smaltitoi


text: spegnitoi

title: spegnitoi


text: spianatoi

title: spianatoi


text: spremitoi

title: spremitoi


text: squartatoi

title: squartatoi


text: stiratoi

title: stiratoi


text: strettoi

title: strettoi


text: strizzatoi

title: strizzatoi


text: svettatoi

title: svettatoi


text: torcitoi

title: torcitoi


text: trapiantatoi

title: trapiantatoi


text: trottatoi

title: trottatoi


text:
անկանեմ

Etymology
Active voice of the mediopassive verb, because of the action of “throwing” threads, warp and the shuttle.

Verb

 * 1)  to lay the groundwork of lace
 * 2)  to weave
 * 3)  to twine

title: անկանեմ


text:
قد

Etymology 1
Cognate to 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to cut into strips
 * 2) to cut off, to chop off
 * 3) to cut out

Noun

 * 1) cutting, cutting off
 * 2) size, stature, figure
 * 3) length
 * 4) definite measure or quantity
 * 5) equal of a person or thing
 * 6) lambskin
 * 7) strip, shred
 * 8) split
 * 9) caesura
 * 1) caesura

Etymology 3
From the root in the sense of being a thing separated or cut apart, a thing distinct with its own measure and shape, a defined piece; extended semantically to a secure definite thing, a certainty, hence the past tense implying a thing has already been set or definitive.

The non-past tense stems from the idea of something intended, likely expected, planned to be, measured to occur, or cut out to happen.

Particle

 * , recently, just now
 * , might, could, may
 * , might, could, may
 * , might, could, may
 * , might, could, may
 * , might, could, may

Etymology 4
Borrowed from, as the range of the fish does not overlap with typical Arabic-speaking areas; compare 🇨🇬. Compare also its other names borrowed from, and  borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) cod the fish

Etymology 1
From.

Noun

 * 1) amount, size, quantity, extent
 * 2) the same amount as; the same size/age as; as big as; as much as; as many as

Etymology 2
From.

Particle

 * 1) already

Noun

 * 1) height

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) height, size, stature

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) amount, size, quantity, extent
 * 2) the same amount as; the same size/age as; as big as; as much as; as many as

Etymology
, from.

Noun

 * 1) height, stature

title: قد


text:
frigidní

Adjective

 * 1) frigid very cold, icy
 * 2) frigid chilly in manner
 * 1) frigid chilly in manner

title: frigidní


text: hodometry

title: hodometry


text:
frigidita

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) frigidity

Noun

 * 1) frigidity

title: frigidita


text:
Template talk:ko-preload-hanjanoun

Preload template for hanja nouns, using. Called from URL only.

title: Template talk:ko-preload-hanjanoun


text:
입학

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) admission or entrance to a school

title: 입학


text:
konsolidace

Noun

 * 1) consolidation

title: konsolidace


text:
zádumčivý

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) pensive, melancholy

title: zádumčivý


text:
trudomyslný

Adjective

 * 1) gloomy

title: trudomyslný


text:
선장

Noun

 * 1) a sea captain

title: 선장


text:
melancholický

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) melancholic

title: melancholický


text: անգանեմ

title: անգանեմ


text:
برداشتن

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to pick up
 * 2) to take; to remove
 * 3) to take off
 * 4) to raise
 * 1) to take; to remove
 * 2) to take off
 * 3) to raise
 * 1) to raise

title: برداشتن


text:
melancholie

Noun

 * 1) melancholy

title: melancholie


text:
직후

Noun

 * 1) (the time) immediately after something

title: 직후


text:
Talk:literary journalism

journalism that is literary in style. SemperBlotto 08:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

 * But not in subject matter. Which is a bit odd, really; literary translation, for instance, involves the translation of literature.  No patent translation could ever qualify, however ornate and florid its prose. -- Visviva 14:28, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Is this actually in use anywhere? It seems a tiny bit idiomatic, providing it's actually used with the meaning given in the entry . Mglovesfun (talk) 14:01, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

 * The current definition is not well-worded IMO, but the genre it describes is real enough; you can even get a degree in it. :-) -- Visviva 14:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Kept, should be at RFV or nowhere AFAICT. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:47, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

title: Talk:literary journalism


text:
Talk:nows

Plural of now. It's given as uncountable, but if anything it's a singulare tantum, I think. I just have a bit of a doubt if now is always uncountable or always a singulare tantum. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:48, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The entry was created by an IP, I didn't know if it was ok or not. L☺g☺maniac chat? 16:49, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Keep: no reason given for deletion, SFAICT. (Did you maybe mean this for RFV? If so, I can say that I'm quite confident it would pass. See e.g. .) —Ruakh TALK 16:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It was created by an IP. When I saw that now was uncountable in the article, I nearly speedy deleted it. It should be an RFV but whatever. We'll need a new sense at now in order to make this findable. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

 * It needs a philosophy sense. We need someone versed in Hegel, Heidegger, and/or Husserl (and Aristotle and Derrida, if possible). Maybe we can recruit someone from WP for this and similar terms. Beyond my pay grade. DCDuring TALK 00:09, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep, bad nomination (by me). Mglovesfun (talk) 11:46, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:nows


text:
Talk:postal history

History that's postal in its subject. Either encyclopedic, or unidiomatic. Seems to bolster the argument for deleting, as that uses the same sense of history. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:16, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I suspect agricultural history, ecclesiastical history and similar stuff would use the same sense of history too. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * delete --Hekaheka 13:34, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Well, I think in the case of it is a question of the (unique?) sense of "local" rather than of "history", which just means "history" in both cases.  There doesn't seem to be anything unusual about the meaning of either "postal", "history", or "postal history" here, so I can't immediately see any grounds for not delete-ing this one as nonidiomatic. -- Visviva 13:36, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Although if the 'pedia is accurate in describing this as a specific form of collecting, it might be keepable. Needs further research, as the pedia artice is somewhat incoherent. -- Visviva 13:38, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The Postal History Society doesn't mention anything so specific, so I'm sticking with deletion. -- Visviva 13:41, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Definite keep for the second definition. It is widely used in philatelic circles to indicate postal items that can be studied and collected. There is no meaning of history that would indicate tangible items such as these, therefore it can not be some of parts. In reply to the previous comment about agricultural history, this would never mean tractors or other machinary.  Postal history has this distinct meaning.--Dmol 00:40, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * So I've just deleted the first meaning for now. I don't think #2 is idiomatic either, it's more of a thing. Anyone other than Dmol want to keep it? Mglovesfun (talk) 19:12, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, yeah: me. How do you get "postal paraphernalia" from "postal" + "history"? I would never have guessed that meaning. (Note that the definition is written as if the deleted first definition still exists: it refers back to it.) — msh210 ℠ 19:19, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Have fixed the def to allow for the deletion of the first entry.--Dmol 07:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * 2 cites added, (1 book, 1 web). My computer is going down so can't tidy it up yet. Will come back.--Dmol 06:34, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Kept, noting that only the first definition was tagged. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:16, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:postal history


text:
Talk:little girl

Deletion debate (1)
This is pure SoP. I don't really get why we need to have an entry for every translation of a one-word non-English term into English. I doubt that English users would think to look up "little girl" to find the non-English words they might be looking for. DCDuring TALK 19:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Delete term; keep translations. sewnmouthsecret 20:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Agreed. Delete this and [[little boy]].—msh210 ℠ 20:38, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Delete, now that I've added the appropriate sense to [[little]]. —Ruakh TALK 23:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion debate (2)
Given that little boy was kept as a no consensus, should this be restored? I say no but I'd like us to make our minds up one way or the other. Mglovesfun (talk) 07:02, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Why not have any restoration start with the citations. That way we can be discussing something concrete and not too speculative. If we establish that there is usage of one or more non-SoP senses which we can specify, we can determine whether we need to start fresh or can salvage any of the failed entry. I suspect that some of the translations were of the SoP phrase rather than the purported idiom (but then I'm just skeptical generally). IOW, no, IMHO. DCDuring TALK 18:46, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Why? Little boy didn't (and doesn't) have any citations.  Restore, both cases were borderline but they were exactly the same. -- Visviva 00:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Quoting from the top of this page: "Terms that failed a request for verification are presumed invalid. They should not be resubmitted as the same term without adequate verification (see verification archives) and do not need duplicate listings here." We have a procedure. We could validate it by conforming to it or we could make all procedure subject to debate and interpretation. Other decision procedures are also available. DCDuring TALK 00:44, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

 * This is RFD, not RFV. Neither of these terms was submitted to RFV, and I would imagine that they would both pass with flying colors, since idiomaticity is not an RFV issue. -- Visviva 00:52, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It indeed was RfD that it had failed. My mistake. DCDuring TALK 01:06, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

"ndeed it failed RfD not RfV"-so rfd fail.not the end?>can sb explain pl?--史凡 >voice-MSN/skypeme!RSI>typin=hard! 02:50, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

 * RFD is decided by consensus, while RFV is decided by whether a word/sense is attested or not. As a rule, an RFV cannot be overturned by consensus, but only by providing three durably-archived citations of use.  Likewise an RFD cannot normally be overturned by adding citations; rather, it must be shown that the consensus of the community has changed (usually through a second RFD). -- Visviva 14:22, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

 * There were specific assertions about the meaning of the term that were not supported by much attestation. I was hoping that attestation would help make the arguments less ideological and more constructive. DCDuring TALK 16:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Well, here's an argument that would be kind of specious to cite, but compare the use of to  (rare, mostly translations),  (only a couple of unique uses),  (mostly a different meaning entirely).  It's pretty clear that "little girl" is not pragmatically equivalent to "young girl", or any of the obvious candidates except -- arguably -- for .  This suggests to me that there are useful things we can say about this word, and also that the case for this word is if anything stronger than it was for little boy. -- Visviva 15:44, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Restored and RFD re-opened. DAVilla 05:45, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Deletion debate (3)
This was restored by Ruakh to allow for a new deletion debate. Delete, little + girl covers this. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:04, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's an English word. And the definition cannot be reconstructed from little + girl if you don't know how little girl is used in English. Lmaltier 20:14, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete this preposterous entry. The definition seems way too precise for actual use. There is nothing magical about the number ten. Including it is completely specious. If this passes RfD, it deserves to be RfVed to ascertain the validity of the elements of the "especially" phrase, including the number "ten" and the focus on age.
 * What any one person means by little girl is influenced by context. And "little" might have to do with absolute or relative height, weight, anatomical development, or age; behavior; clothing; or any of a number of other characteristics of the referent, the speaker, or the situation.
 * Including this trivializes the concept of an English headword. Someone following a blue link to this entry and expecting to find something meaningful (and not misleading) is sure to be disappointed and/or misled. DCDuring TALK 21:56, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Delete. Abstain. It can be reconstructed from little + girl if you bother to look at our entries for those words. (I know that some editors have a policy of not doing that, but, well, those editors are simply wrong.) And for the record, it was restored by DAVilla, not me. —Ruakh TALK 22:27, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Really? little' mentions 3 senses: small, very young and younger... How can you guess in which cases little girl may be used and in which cases it should not be used? Lmaltier 22:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * In the way you do when decoding language, from the context. If you don't understand and need to, you ask for clarification. If you can't ask, you hope your life doesn't depend on precision or that matters will become clearer as the discussion or text continues. DCDuring TALK 12:37, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Delete iff is also deleted. †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 22:30, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Historical comment. Just linking fyi to old discussions from 2008 and 2009. — msh210 ℠ 23:04, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * There's also a current re-nomination of little boy for deletion, here at RFD. — msh210 ℠ 17:01, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, still. SoP, per previous discussions, and per comments above herein. — msh210 ℠ 23:04, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Delete as per DCDuring. —Internoob (Disc.•Cont.) 23:31, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Little has more than one meaning, little bird, little duck and little cat have the same meanings (small; young). --Mglovesfun (talk) 23:39, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the difference is that little cat or little duck are not set phrases you can consider as English words. They are just little (young) + animal. Lmaltier 19:04, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. It is indeed a bizarre entry. Why anyone would want to keep this is beyond me. Tooironic 06:11, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

It seems obvious to me that it is as much an English word as e.g. maiden. I'm not the only one feeling so. Have a look at a detailed discussion on this issue: http://www.jstor.org/pss/454833. Also look at other dictionaries: I can't understand why nobody here seems to consider this phrase as an English word. Lmaltier 18:47, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * http://www.thefreedictionary.com/little+girl (and http://www.audioenglish.net/dictionary/little_girl.htm,  http://www.synonym.com/definition/little%20girl/,  http://www.elook.org/dictionary/little-girl.html,  http://www.glossary.com/dictionary.php?q=Little%20girl, http://www.wordwebonline.com/en/LITTLEGIRL, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/little+girl, http://www.wordmagicsoft.com/dictionary/en-es/little%20girl.php,  but they all give the same (very bad) definition. A better definition is really needed)
 * http://www.babylon.com/definition/girl/French (see The best glossary...)

 * There is no real dictionary on the list. The Free Dictionary Thesaurus uses WordNet.
 * Not every concept has a word or idiom that corresponds. That fact means that some translations won't have a blue link. Adj + noun phrases are less likely than noun + noun phrases to be entry-worthy. DCDuring TALK 22:53, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you want another dictionary defining little girl and little boy? Harrap's Shorter, a best-selling English-French dictionary. Lmaltier 17:16, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Nobody's ever been able to tell me what a set phrase is. If it just means common then my name is John is common enough, isn't it? Mglovesfun (talk) 22:59, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I already told you... It's a phrase used by speakers the same way as a simple word, without any need for the brain to build it. A typical example in French is chemin de fer (railway). In most cases, set phrases are idiomatic, but not always. When they are idiomatic, reasoning can be used to identify them, but when they are not idiomatic, reasoning cannot be used, only the knowledge of the language. Whether idiomatic or not, they should be considered as words, as they really are building blocks of the language. Lmaltier 08:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * But why keep them here? 12:47, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Because somebody not knowing a set phrase cannot guess that this set phrase is the appropriate term when he wants to express the idea. A dictionary is not used only when reading, but also for writing. In this specific case, it's not very likely to happen because this set phrase is very common, but commonness is not a reason to exclude it. Lmaltier 17:10, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Keep this always takes one meaning of little and one meaning of girl, so no context is necessary to tell you that a "little girl" is a young female child, despite the fact that it could mean a "petite woman" or many other things. Conrad.Irwin 01:23, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per Conrad Irwin and because it is used always in this collocation and not small damsel, little maid or anything like that. It is always little girl. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 10:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * "Girl" is transparently more inclusive than "damsel" and "maiden". Covering a larger range of ages, sizes, weights, etc, there is more value and need to qualify it. DCDuring TALK 16:54, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * AFAICT a girl that is not big is called a little girl, ditto for little boy. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you find a quote that demonstrates this? I had a quick scan, but didn't notice any - though there are several "big little girls". Conrad.Irwin 17:17, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I do not understand the reasoning expressed for keeping the definition given in the entry: "a female child, especially one younger than ten years of age." The defenses of the entry do not refer to the sole definition given, perhaps because it is indefensible. A female child is itself well covered by "girl", without "little". One cannot say "she is not a little girl, she is a female child" or vice versa in normal speech. The "especially" phrase is in fact the heart of any claim for idiomaticity. There are no citations to support the claim that this denotes girls younger than ten. The statistical correlations among all possible dimensions of littleness in the real world: height, girth, age, anatomical development, and behavior would seem suggest that one cannot definitively ascribe any one sense of "little" to "little girl". Which dimensions, absolute or relative, of "littleness" were relevant in a given context would be determined by - the context. Trying to define this usefully in a dictionary seems a case of over-reaching. There might be some idiomatic sense of this but it is not this definition and it should come with citations. DCDuring TALK 16:54, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I have updated the definition to "young female child", it would be interesting to see if there are many cites for the other possible meanings of little girl. Conrad.Irwin 17:17, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * (after edit conflict} That definition seems fully within the scope of "little" + "girl", that is, it is fully decodable based on the component meanings. If our three senses at little don't clearly include the appropriate sense, then that would suggest a problem with [[little]]. MWOnline has 3 senses (not the same as ours) and 11 subsenses for the adjective. It could be that a wiki is inherently unable to handle highly polysemic words and we should forget about doing a good job on those terms and instead define whatever collocations people find interesting. We could then follow wikiness where it leads instead of trying to make it do something it apparently can't do well. DCDuring TALK 12:52, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Conrad, you're saying a girl of a small size is not called a little girl? Mglovesfun (talk) 12:44, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Huh? By a remarkable coincidence a lot of young girls are of small size. What I do think is that "little girl" does not refer to the size of said child, only to her youth. I would quite happily abandon this opinion if there were quotations to the contrary. I think this should be included, even though it is technically "sum of parts", because it has surprisingly only one interpretation, or only one to a close approximation. If other people think this isn't an interesting enough feature of language to document, then I'm not fussed. Conrad.Irwin 20:13, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep provided that "little girl" is never used to mean "girl of a small height", that is, is exclusively used to mean "young female child". I would even like to see a fuzzy age boundary specified. Other combinations thus excluded from the meaning of "little girl" include "small woman", per little--small, and girl--Any woman, regardless of her age. It even seems to me that "young girl" is already semantically different from "young female child".
 * If this gets deleted, a usage note in the "girl" entry documenting "little girl" would be in order. --Dan Polansky 22:34, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Delete. < class="latinx">Ƿidsiþ 20:28, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Does not seem to be a set phrase more than little bird, little hamster, little pig. You can also replace little with small or young without changing the meaning. Re: Dan, as Internoob pointed out small (in size) girls are generally the young ones, so there's no real distinction there. Would anyone claim that a girl of a small size is not (not ever) called a little girl? I should note that when I closed this last time as no consensus, there was a 60% majority to delete, which I ruled was not enough (hey, nobody else wanted to close the discussion). Mglovesfun (talk) 13:08, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * MG, then again: (a) "little girl" does not mean "small woman", while "little" means "small" in one of its senses and "girl" means "woman" in one of its senses; (b) re "Dan, as Internoob pointed out small (in size) girls are generally the young ones, so there's no real distinction there": hardly; whether an individual object is small or not is determined based on the comparison of the size or height of the individual with some reference threshold height in the specific class of the individual object; so "small" in a small car takes different threshold from "small" in a small house; the absolute value of the threshold as expressed in meters differs. Now "small girl" means "below the threshold for the height determined from some class of girls"; so a little girl, meaning young girl, may still be a high one, meaning higher than is usual in the girls of the given age. As Conrad already explained, a young female child of small height is called "little girl" not on the basis on the height but on the basis of the age; a young female child of high height is also called "little girl". Some of these statements are falsifiable AKA testable to the extent to which a quotation can be found in which a young female adolescent of low height is referred to a "little girl".
 * Some searches that I find interesting:
 * Voting results so far:
 * People so far supporting keeping: Lmaltier, Conrad Irwin, Bogorm, Dan Polansky.
 * People so far opposing keeping: DCDuring, Mglovesfun, msh210, Internoob, Tooironic.
 * People who conditionally oppose keeping: Raifʻhār Doremítzwr.
 * People who abstain: Ruakh.
 * Percentage of opposing people including contitional opposition: 60%, determined as ( 5 + 1 ) / ( 4 + 5 + 1).
 * --Dan Polansky 12:38, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * People who conditionally oppose keeping: Raifʻhār Doremítzwr.
 * People who abstain: Ruakh.
 * Percentage of opposing people including contitional opposition: 60%, determined as ( 5 + 1 ) / ( 4 + 5 + 1).
 * --Dan Polansky 12:38, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Keep, "girl" can mean "young woman" except if it has "little" in front of it. Polarpanda 00:31, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep', the numerous links Lmaltier provided are convincing enough "little girl" as a phrase is different from "little automobile" or "fat girl". The listed, uncontested, single, meaning, "A young female child" is different from "A girl who's not big" (which I would understand). Joepnl 21:41, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Kept - Polansky's googles are very convincing, and the 2 recent support keep votes sway this debate into a keeper. See also my recent creation cry like a little girl. --Rising Sun talk? contributions 22:42, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Deletion debate (4)
See Talk:little boy. bd2412 T 18:22, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:little girl


text:
eintragen

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to endorse
 * 2) to enter, to record
 * 3) to inscribe, to enrol

title: eintragen


text:
Talk:vibraphone player

Non-idiomatic sum of parts. I think some weird argument was dreamed up to keep tennis player: etc. but it was to do with the nature of sport and amateur vs. professional play. Equinox ◑ 21:08, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:15, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * A third opinion? Mglovesfun (talk) 17:40, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There are professional vibraphone players also. I'm not that happy about this, but keep per precedent. — msh210 ℠ 17:47, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a precedent, but I don't think it applies to this entry. If basketball player means "professional basketball player" by ellipsis ok, but I don't think this does. That would open the door for an RFV AFAICT. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:46, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The precedent is based largely on the answer to the question "What do you do?" For instance Nadal would answer "I'm a tennis player" or "Soy tenista". But a person who plays the vibraphone for a living would probably answer "I'm a musician". I recommend delete. As an aside, I do not agree with the phrase "some weird argument was dreamed up" above, and I do not see this deletion as a foot in the door to reopen the original debate. -- A LGRIF  talk 20:07, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Fails, not the most amazing consensus but the best we're gonna get. Mglovesfun (talk) 00:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:vibraphone player


text:
Talk:button mashing

Both appear to be SoP. --Yair rand 18:13, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it's random buttons that are being mashed. Seeing this pagetitle, I assumed it meant something like mashing F2 on booting. Keep if correct. — msh210 ℠ 18:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, keep. The Wikipedia definition is more idiomatic than this one. It's actually a technique used in video games, there are even special "grips" for it. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:32, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

 * It is a technique. Probably keep. Citing would be good (send to RFV?); the verb form is also missing an infinitive (and, as I always complain, probably a hyphen). Equinox ◑ 00:12, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Kept, I'm not gonna RFV it, but if someone else wants to, go for it. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:41, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

title: Talk:button mashing


text:
Talk:mote

Request for verification
Added by an anon contributor, the -e looks wrong for a feminine noun in Lithuanian. --EncycloPetey 21:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Added "Attention lt" DCDuring TALK 19:24, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Also old rfv for English verb sense. See mote. DCDuring TALK 19:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Clocked out DCDuring TALK 19:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

 * Lithuanian: RFV failed, language section removed. (The correct spelling is, apparently.)
 * English: RFV failed, verb section removed, together with corresponding etymology.
 * —Ruakh TALK 22:03, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Etymology
Compare Spanish MATAR[4] to kill) that has been assimilated to Latin MACTARE (slaughter)[3], and Finnish MADAD[4] (to cut); both (if the former is of ancient antiquity) possibly of Punic origin[2], that is, the Spanish and Finnish lexemes, (if the latter word be borrowed), otherwise of Uralian origin[2]. Compare also Spanish MOTA[6], (small knot in fabric); Dutch MOT[6], (dust, sweepings)[6], and East Frisian MUT[6], (grit): all from the root of mattock (please see its Talk Page), {possibly akin to Basque MOTZ (short, cut, cut-off)[4] and MOZTE (clipping, cutting, shearing)[4] from MOZTU[7] (to cut, trim, shave, et cetera) Andrew H. Gray 09:39, 22 January 2019 (UTC) Andrew (talk)}; ultimately from √*MADA-[7], (to cut). Andrew H. Gray 10:04, 19 September 2015 (UTC) Andrew (talk)

 * The English mud is quite unrelated to mote. Andrew H. Gray 07:33, 30 September 2017 (UTC)Andrew (talk)

[0] means 'Absolutely not; [1] means 'Exceedingly unlikely'; [2] means 'Very dubious'; [3] means 'Questionable'; [4] means 'Possible'; [5] means 'Probable'; [6] means 'Likely'; [7] means 'Most Likely' or *Unattested; [8] means 'Attested'; [9] means 'Obvious' - only used for close matches within the same language or dialect, at linkable periods. √ means original or earliest root.

 * 🇨🇬 is shown as closely related to, and is listed as the ancestor of modern 🇨🇬.  Modern 🇨🇬 is traced to 🇨🇬.  The yawning semantic gap between  and  of  suggests that  is either 1) not related to 🇨🇬 and not related to modern , or 2) not related to 🇨🇬 and not related to modern 🇨🇬.  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 16:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Etymology Logic

 * What you cite is of vital importance - my prior mistake showed that I should not have edited such a comparison that would have been totally illogical. I do not understand why I was so incourteous as not to have replied promptly at the time; therefore my due apologies! Andrew H. Gray 14:20, 23 August 2016 (UTC) Andrew (talk)

title: Talk:mote


text:
Talk:fmi

Request for verification
—Ruakh TALK 23:26, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Try searching Groups for the exact phrase "FMI contact". Equinox ◑ 23:44, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Google Groups shows me only one lowercase cite on Usenet. —Ruakh TALK 03:38, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

RFV failed, entry deleted. —Ruakh TALK 03:38, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:fmi


text:
Talk:rester là

Definition seems wrong. [[rester]] (stay) + [[là]] (there). If it does have an idiomatic meaning, what is it? No other Wiktionaries have this. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:06, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There is an actual expression: en rester là, which means "keep it to this", "not escalate further", though. Circeus 21:19, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:rester là


text:
Talk:/b/tard

Request for verification
Any takers? If it's OK, we need a definition of /b/. SemperBlotto 21:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC) p.s. The slashes are causing havoc.
 * IFYPFY for dehavocification purposes.—msh210 ℠  23:01, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Red link because the slash is interpreted as part of the URI. Note that "The word is known to have over 9000 users" is an in-joke; these people are generally amused by talking about things being "OVER 9000" (from an anime series in which a spaceship's power level dangerously exceeds this, I think). Equinox ◑ 21:36, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Useless trivia: "OVER 9000" is from an episode of DragonBall Z. You can get all you need from the first ten seconds of this. bd2412 T 02:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

RFV failed, entry deleted. I've put two cites at Citations:/b/tard. Google News Archive finds many more, including such hits as news articles on FOXNews.com, but I can't find any that seem genuinely durably archived. Shockingly, Google Groups seems completely unhelpful for this one. (BTW, even if does meet the CFI — which it may well — I doubt that  does, seeing as names of specific entities require attributive use with a widely-understood meaning.) —Ruakh TALK 18:49, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Linking to this entry
Please note that to avoid technical issues, this entry must be linked to like  /b/tard  so that /b/tard appears instead of /b/tard. Thanks --Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 07:52, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

"censored version of bastard"
[citation needed] —suzukaze (t・c) 05:37, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

title: Talk:/b/tard


text:
Talk:meanless

Request for verification
"Without a mathematical mean." All I could find was a 2004 book: "the average is used to get a meanless dataset". Equinox ◑ 16:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Statistics context makes no sense. Any real sample is finite and therefore has a mean. A probability distribution without a mean can exist in a mathematician's imagination. I don't understand the quote. DCDuring TALK 17:24, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

 * In your cite it seems to mean roughly "normalized, such that the mean is zero and the expressions can be written without a mean". In this one it also seems to mean "having a mean of zero", but I'm really not sure. By contrast, in this one it really does mean "having no mean whatsoever": if you set up the improper integral, you'll find that it diverges to infinity; see Power law distribution. (I suppose one could also say "having a mean of +∞", but "having no mean" is also a valid interpretation.) —Ruakh TALK 17:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

 * There seems to be be some sense that comes up in signal detection and/or encryption that may be the given sense, but confirming it and entering the formulas are both beyond my paygrade. To say "meanless" means "having a mean of zero" really bothers me, especially with a mathematics context tag. It seems so literary. DCDuring TALK 17:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It shouldn't bother you. Mathematicians frequently speak of "no|without holonomy", "no|without homotopy", etc., meaning that the holonomy or homotopy is zero. Brevity, though the soul of inaccuracy in mathematics, still makes for easier reading.—msh210 ℠  16:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Perhaps someone can extract something from these 4 from b.g.c. DCDuring TALK 18:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm not certain about this, but I think that in all four of those, it means "meaningless". One says that L represents blah-blah-blah when it's at least 3, but that it's "meanless" otherwise; one says that you can use dual-rail logic (which encodes 0s and 1s in a higher-order stream with equal numbers of 0s and 1s — it's usually used to combat channel bias) to make Hamming-weights (numbers of 1s in strings of 0s and 1s) "meanless" to would-be decrypters; one describes various kinds of image analysis that are limited by certain assumptions or requirements, including one that's useless in situation foo and another that's "meanless" in situation bar; and the remaining one explains that they're not bothering to distinguish horizontal from vertical because said distinction is "meanless" when you're just dealing with numerical images. —Ruakh TALK 18:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Perhaps: the number of "meanlesses" on Google Groups (Usenet) as errors for "meaningless" is very high indeed. Equinox ◑ 18:40, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Statisticians in writing would generally use more formal language, saying a distribution had an "undefined mean" (as with the Cauchy distribution or certain parameterizations of the F-distribution), but I've heard "meanless" used in sense orally (sorry, don't have time to find cites). --Bequw → ¢ • τ 22:12, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Perhaps try Scholar if you have the chance. There seemed to be some, but I couldn't get enough access to be sure. I looked through b.g.c. without much luck, but you might have better google-fu. DCDuring TALK 22:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

 * The OED has two senses, one from the noun (ie "without the means") meaning "without agency or aid" (a citation mentions "meanless miracles" which ceased since Christ's ascension). The other from the verb, meaning "meaningless".  Both marked obsolete, and the first rare as well.  < class="latinx">Ƿidsiþ 16:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Cited, I think. I combined "mean = 0" and "mean DNE" into one sense, which may be cheating, but I'm pretty sure that all three cites must mean one or the other of those. —Ruakh TALK 21:42, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:meanless


text:
Talk:demo'

Request for verification
I've seen 'phone:, 'plane:, and 'bus:, but never anything with a final apostrophe like this. Can anyone confirm/cite? Equinox ◑ 18:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Hmm. The plural "demo's" is not hard to cite using b.g.c., but (1) it may just be the grocer's apostrophe, and (2) even if not, it's not obvious to me that the singular would be "demo'" and not, say, "demo." or something. I don't think there's any way to cite "demo'" using any of the Google searches, though other corpora might be brought to bear; Wikisource, perhaps? —Ruakh TALK 20:22, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

 * BTW, final apostrophes do see use in o': and in eye dialect — don':, mo':, fo':, etc. Those differ in that they're all just eliding a final consonant, but given the final o, I can kind of imagine that it might get borrowed over for demo: as well. —Ruakh TALK 16:32, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

RFV failed, entry deleted. —Ruakh TALK 17:20, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:demo'


text:
Talk:geliophobia

Request for verification
I see 2 possible uses on google books. Nadando 02:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

 * RFV failed, entry replaced with . —Ruakh TALK 22:00, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:geliophobia


text:
Talk:crotch

Request for verification
Rfv-sense: Verb: To hit someone in the crotch. Widespread? Regionally? DCDuring TALK 02:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Is there any doubt? A simple google search for 'been crotched', which must be verbal, yields 10.800 hits!

 * Are they durably archived sources that we can rely one and meet WT:CFI? Is the definition accurate? Is there more than one definition? DCDuring TALK 15:56, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

RFV failed, verb section removed. (To be sure, I do think there is some sort of verb, but I couldn't find evidence for what we had.) —Ruakh TALK 22:04, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

crutch and crotch

 * I suspected that "crutch" and "crotch" may have come from the same word, because in the old days a length of tree branch or sapling trunk with a fork or crotch (with its meaning 1) was sometimes cut down and made into a crutch, putting the forked end under an armpit. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:04, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

title: Talk:crotch


text:
Talk:paṇḍit

Request for verification
An English word with two dot-below diacritics (paṇḍit)? Surely this is in another language. bd2412 T 06:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

 * I am sceptical of that kind of marking being preserved in English too. Note that we do have pandit:. Equinox ◑ 20:03, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Different definition, though. bd2412 T 05:33, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

 * I think it’s supposed to be used in the English-speaking community of India to mean a Hindu scholar. In Indian English, they preserve these retroflex consonants. I don’t think we have anyone here who represents the English-speakers of India and we don’t know much about their dialect. —Stephen 05:40, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

RFV failed, entry deleted. I can well believe that they preserve these retroflex consonants, but I can't find any evidence that they use the underdots to denote them. —Ruakh TALK 16:26, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:paṇḍit


text:
unschuldig

Etymology
From, the latter from.

Adjective

 * 1)  innocent

title: unschuldig


text:
Talk:working-hour

Request for verification
This doesn't seem like a natural usage. COCA only has it once, as an adjective. Is it attestable as a noun? Under the new inclusionism this and working hour are probably idiomatic, if real. DCDuring TALK 17:14, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Judging by Google Books the non-hyphenated form looks real enough, but I wouldn't care to create and cite it as I'm sure it would be RFD-ed as SoP, and the hyphenated form seems to be used only as an attributive form of the non-hyphenated one. --Duncan 17:18, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

RFV failed, entry deleted. —Ruakh TALK 16:50, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:working-hour